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Minion Pig

2022-11-12T14:11:17Z

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:''Minion Pigs are Bad Piggies and [[Deceptihog]]s from the [[Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:ABTF4 AllSpark and MinionPig.jpg|thumb|300px]]
Dumb as rocks and just as numerous, '''Minion Pigs''' form the overwhelming bulk of the [[Bad Piggies]]' forces. Though they are all spineless (both literally and figuratively) simpering sycophants, they all share an immense love for their homeland, and loathe to see any harm come to it. They also savor the taste of those tasty eggs guarded by the [[Flock]], though [[King Pig]] and his higher-ups always hog all the goods.

When the [[AllSpark]] crashed on [[Piggy Island]], some Minion Pigs were granted the form and power of [[Decepticon]]s like [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], whilst many many '''''many''''' more were transformed into robotic servants of the [[Eggbot (AB)|Eggbots]].

The upgraded [[Deceptihog]] Minion Pigs display similar personality traits to that of their namesakes, with '''Starscream Pig''' notably proving that the name goes hand-in-hand with a lust for power and unbridled ambition... though thankfully for King Pig, that one didn't get any ''smarter'' than he was before the upgrade.

==Fiction==
===''Angry Birds'' comic===
[[File:ABTF1 MinionPigSnout.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7|left]]
Four Minion Pigs were holding up [[King Pig]]'s throne when [[Chuck (AB)|Chuck]] burst into [[Moustache Pig]]'s latest building. The bird's entrance interrupted King Pig's latest attempt at cooking the [[Flock]]'s eggs, and the entirety of the [[Bad Piggies]] were sent fleeing. As they ran, King Pig remarked that the Birds had only managed to forestall his next meal, which was of little consequence since he wasn't even hungry yet. One of the Minion Pigs interjected that King Pig had said the he was starving just a few moments beforehand. King Pig told him to shut up. Foreman Pig also chewed out the Minion Pigs, since it was obviously their fault that his building hadn't held up. The Pigs then stumbled upon the [[AllSpark#Angry Birds Transformers continuity family|EggSpark]]. One of the Minion Pigs was overwhelmed with sadness upon seeing the destruction the artifact had caused by crashing into [[Piggy Island]]. All of the other Pig Minions agreed that they loved the island, and hated to see any harm come to it. King Pig steered the conversation back onto the topic of his next meal, and ordered [[Chef Pig]] to find out whether or not the EggSpark could be used as an egg-cooker. Chef Pig passed the task onto one of the Minions, shoving him into the EggSpark. Upon touching the artifact, the Minion Pig became Starscream Pig!

[[File:ABTF1-StarscreamPigInABox.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5]]
Despite King Pig's disgust over his subordinate's new form, Starscream Pig was ecstatic. He flubbed his first attempt at transforming, however, assuming the form of a jack-in-the-box. His second attempt was more successful, and Starscream Pig flew off in the form of a jet. He then amused himself by creating scribbles in the sky with his exhaust fumes. Though most of the other pigs touched the EggSpark in order to be granted robotic bodies, none of the other Minions did so. The pigs were soon joined by a couple of birds who were similarly upgraded upon touching the EggSpark. Megatron Pig ordered a retreat, and the remaining three Minion Pigs were tasked with carrying [[Moustache Pig|Lockdown Pig]], as he was unable to transform out of his "toilet mode." {{storylink|Angry Birds Transformers issue 1|Angry Birds Transformers #1}}

[[File:ABTF1 StarscreamPig vehicle mode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|left]]
The Minion Pigs must've become tired of carrying Lockdown Pig, as [[Corporal Pig|Galvatron Pig]] was next seen carrying him instead. Starscream Pig began questioning Megatron Pig's authority, demanding to know why HE shouldn't be in charge of the [[Deceptihog]]s instead. One of the Minions wholeheartedly agreed with Starscream Pig, while another pessimistically stated that Starscream Pig would only succeed in incurring Megatron Pig's wrath. The last Minion Pig began to formulate his own ideas, stating that maybe leadership should be granted to those who merit it... They were all told to clam it by Megatron Pig.

As the Deceptihogs argued between themselves, a [[Terror Tower]] sprung up from beneath them. Though Starscream Pig managed to fly away, the rest of the Deceptihogs became trapped inside of it, thanks to Galvatron Pig's recklessness. Lockdown Pig deduced that the tower's appearance had been caused by the EggSpark's ongoing influence on Piggy Island. The Minions became gravely upset when they learned that their beloved island was imperiled. [[Hal|Grimlock Bird]] then burst in and attacked the Deceptihogs. He was defeated in short order, but no sooner was Grimlock Bird taken out that the rest of the [[Autobird]]s arrived. The three Minions took on [[Blues|Bluestreak Bird]] in the ensuing fight. However, the fight came to an abrupt end when the Flock's eggs suddenly sprouted mechanical limbs, multiplied, and proved themselves to be hostile. Starscream Pig then called his leader to inform him that Piggy Island's transformation was now fully underway. {{storylink|Age of Eggstinction!}}

[[File:ABTF3 StarscreamPigplots.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|right]]
The Autobirds and Deceptihogs joined forces to combat the newly arisen threat, though the battle did not go well. The Minions were once more upset over how much the collateral damage was being dealt to the island. Starscream Pig was ensnared by metallic tentacles that shot out of a nearby Terror Tower, and imprisoned within. The pigs and birds were forced to change tactics. The three Minion Pigs were tasked to a group who's mission would be to capture one of the [[Eggbot (AB)|Eggbots]] for study. Unfortunately, the crazed Galvatron Pig was also assigned to their group, and the pigs had their hooves full simply stopping him from wrecking everything in sight.

Elsewhere, Bluestreak Bird had also been captured by the Terror Tower, and brought to the same holding cell housing Starscream Pig. Though the Autobird lost his cool at first, Starscream Pig was able to give him a short pep talk that gave him renewed strength. Bluestreak Bird broke free of his bonds and began hauling Starscream Pig about. When the pair stumbled across a room containing several creepy-looking Eggbots, Bluestreak Bird panicked and dropped Starscream Pig, leaving him to be trampled by the out-rushing eggs.

[[File:ABTF4 UpgradedMinionPigs.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|left]]
Outside, the three Minion Pigs had achieved little success in stopping Galvatron Pig. Thankfully, [[Terence (AB)|Heatwave Bird]] was finally able to take out the rogue Deceptihog, though he knocked out the Minions in the process. They were brought back to the others by Heatwave Bird, just as Starscream Pig informed the others that Piggy Island's transformation was now spiraling out of control. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fowlin'!}}

Megatron Pig suggested that they simply let the transformation run its course. The Minions were against this plan, as it would mean that Piggy Island would surely die. The Autobird/Deceptihog alliance eventually settled on a different plan: by separating the EggSpark from the land, they theorized that everything would return to normal. As they made a mad dash for the EggSpark, Lockdown Pig noted that Starscream Pig was being suspiciously quiet. Little did Lockdown Pig suspect that Starscream Pig had already begun to plan to seize the EggSpark's power for himself.

[[File:ABTF4 EggSpark-powered StarscreamPig.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|right]]
Meanwhile, the three Minions had begun to undergo changes that matched their island's metamorphosis. They now possessed snazzy robotic helmets, and the ability to fly! They aided Bluestreak Bird in his search for the means to propel the EggSpark off-planet: a giant slingshot! But when faced with seemingly insurmountable odds, the minions abandoned Bluestreak Bird, and left him buried underneath a monolith. Deciding they could simply "get over" losing their island, they attempted to leave it behind. As they reached the sea, they realized that they had betrayed their ideals, and doubled back to rescue their fallen ally. A sincere apology later, they were back on track to complete their mission. They rejoined the rest of the Autobirds and Deceptihogs, slingshot in tow, just as the EggSpark came within reach. Unfortunately, Galvatron Pig went berserk, and the terrified Minions fled once more.

Seizing the opportunity, Starscream Pig grabbed a hold of the EggSpark while everyone else was distracted. The artifact's power caused him to grow to gargantuan proportions. Starscream Pig then challenged Galvatron Pig to a one-on-one match, winner take all! The showdown never happened, as [[Chuck (AB)|Bumblebee Bird]] stepped in, and used the giant slingshot to launch both Starscream Pig and the EggSpark off-planet. Starscream Pig reverted to his original form, traversed dimensions, and crashed through on of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'s windows. The Minion Pig then sheepishly asked if the [[Autobot]]s aboard could give him a ride back home.

Back on Piggy Island, everything returned to the way it had been before the EggSpark's arrival. As the Bad Piggies went their own way, the three remaining Minions had to put up with another of King Pig's temper tantrums. {{storylink|Hard Boiled}}
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===''Angry Birds'' storybooks===
[[File:DHvsAB-StarscreamPigintrouble.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
Energon Starscream Pig joined his leader on his plot to poach the EggBots. {{storylink|Robot Birds in Disguise}}

Energon Starscream Pig believed he could come up with the best battle plans, and snorted at all those who said otherwise! While scanning Piggy Island, he spotted Heatwave the Fire-Bot Bird cruising along by himself. The Minion Pig planned to catch him by surprised and swooped down to ambush him. At the last astro-second, the Autobird heard Starscream Pig coming and knocked him out of the sky with his ladder. Later, Starscream Pig participated in a great big clash against the Autobirds in the middle of a desert. The Deceptihogs were defeated and had to flee the battleground. {{storylink|Deceptihogs Versus Autobirds}}
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==Commercial appearances==
A group of Minion Pigs carried their king to a confrontation against the Flock. Both groups were then upgraded into Deceptihogs and Autobirds by the power of the EggSpark. {{storylink|Commercial#Angry Birds Transformers|Angry Birds Transformers: Cinematic Trailer}}

A couple of Flying Pigbots pestered Optimus Prime Bird after he had been dropped off by [[Astrotrain (AB)|Astrotrain]]. A few laser blasts later, both Pigbots were downed and left behind as Optimus Prime Bird continued on his adventure. {{storylink|Commercial#Angry Birds Transformers|Angry Birds Transformers Comic-Con trailer}}

Starscream Pig was part of a crazy dance party at the Deceptihogs' headquarters, where they used the EggSpark as a dance light. It was all very silly. {{storylink|Commercial#Angry Birds Transformers|Deceptihogs' Revenge}}

A swarm of Flying Pigbots pestered Bumblebee Bird, raining down laser blasts onto him. When one of their stray shots destroyed the little umbrella in Heatwave Bird's drink, who was relaxing nearby, the irate Autobird took them all out with a single blast of his cannon. {{storylink|Commercial#Angry Birds Transformers|Best Buddies}}

A swarm of Flying Pigbots chased Arcee Bird and Optimus Prime Bird to a cliff edge. The two Autobirds were out of ammo, and at the mercy of the Deceptihogs... until Bluestreak Prowl teleported in and started blasting them! {{storylink|Commercial#Angry Birds Transformers|Meet Bluestreak and Prowl!}}

==Games==
===''Angry Birds Transformers''===
When the Allspark Egg crashed into Piggy Island, its hordes of Minion pigs were granted Cybertronic armor. Some got better gear including weapons though, and some even gained bodies based on the [[Decepticon]]s Starscream, Skywarp and Thundercracker. {{storylink|Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers}}

====As Thundercracker====
[[File:Thundercracker-Pig.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*''Squad'': '''The Seekers'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Investigator'''
*''Unlock Type'': New Area (900 pigs) TelePod

The first of the "[[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s" to be unlocked, Thundercracker Pig relies on speed more than power. His weapon is a rapid-fire machinegun-style blaster that never needs reloading and doesn't overheat, but also doesn't do a whole lot of damage overall unless you concentrate your fire on a single target. It can push a stone block pretty decently, but it's best not to focus on hard targets like that. The blaster actually works better against glass and wood towers with a hold-and-swipe motion rather than a tap-aim one (especially if you have explosive rounds installed), spraying the field with blaster fire and doing widespread damage, letting gravity take care of the Piggies up top. On his feet, Thundercracker Pig isn't all that fast, but as a jet, he can really move!

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! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Cost'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Base Effect'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
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|Headphones
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|Baseball Cap
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Mohawk
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20-40% Damage
|
|-
|Halloween Hat (wizard, mouth)
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|Halloween Event exclusive
|-
|Santa Hat
|Head
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +10% Defense
|Holiday Event exclusive
|-
|Landlord Cap
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +16% Defense
|Chinese New Year exclusive
|-
|Lion Hat
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +16% Defense
|Chinese New Year exclusive
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Launchers
|Chest
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| Explosive Rounds +12% Effect Damage
|
|-
|Null-Ray
|Arms
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +10-22% Damage
|
|-
|[[Baro|Shield]]
|Back
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +20-28% Defense
|Actually mounted on shoulder-missile
|}
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====As Energon Starscream====
[[File:Model-starscream.png|thumb]]
*''Squad'': '''The Seekers'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Investigator'''
*''Unlock Type'': New Area (1500 pigs) TelePod

[[Chef Pig#As Soundwave|Soundwave Pig]] once fed Starscream Pig an [[Energon cube]] sandwiched in a burger bun, causing the aerial Deceptihog to become empowered with [[Energon]]. This Energon infusion means his weapon, a gatling-style non-stop blaster like Thundercracker's, packs more punch per pew-pew. Unfortunately it also means he can't ''take'' as much of a punch, taking more damage than most other characters. Thankfully, he can restore some damage mid-level every time he absorbs an energon cube from a de-cyberformed piece of scenery.

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! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Cost'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Base Effect'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
|-
|[[Transformer clothing#Headwear|Crown]]
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Defense
| The one he used in the movie
|-
|Headphones
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|Baseball Cap
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Vehicle Time
|
|-
|Mohawk
|Head
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Halloween Hat (wizard, bat wings)
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|Halloween Event exclusive
|-
|Pilgrim Hat
|Head
|???
|???
| +20% Damage
|Thanksgiving Event exlcusive
|-
|Landlord Cap
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +16% Defense
|Chinese New Year exclusive
|-
|Lion Hat
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +16% Defense
|Chinese New Year exclusive
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Launchers
|Chest
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|Shoulder Pads
|Arms
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| Explosive Rounds
|
|-
|Null-Ray
|Arms
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|}
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====As Acid Storm====
[[File:Acid-Storm-Pig.jpg|thumb|300px|Kremzeek!]]
*''Squad'': '''The Cybertronians'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Investigator'''
*''Unlock Type'': Challenge Event Prize (5000 tokens)

As one would expect, Acid Storm shoots acid pellets that deal steady damage to targets over time after the initial hit. The pellets have a splash effect (literally, in this case) on impact, spreading the acid to close by targets; the initial hit doesn't sting as much, but the "melt" rate is just as powerful. Acid Storm has the lowest rate of fire of all the jet-pigs, at roughly one acid blast per second. Thankfully though, the pellets themselves are ''very'' quick in flight.

He and his accessories were first available in the "Acid Storm" event, and later in the "2-Year Celebration" event. On day four of this event, the "Acid Storm Bundle" was available for $24.99, which contained Acid Storm, 500 gems, and his Kremzeek accessory.
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|[[Kremzeek]]
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|
|-
|Headphones
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|Baseball Cap
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Halloween Hat (top hat, bat wings)
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|Halloween Event exclusive
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|
|-
|Null-Ray
|Arms
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|}
</center>

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====As Starscream====
[[File:Starscream-Pig.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*''Squad'': '''The Seekers'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Investigator'''
*''Unlock Type'': Challenge Event Prize (4800/5000 Tokens)

This non-energon-powered version of Starscream plays considerably different from his supercharged... cousin? brother? whatever... in that he has the power of the treacherous Decepticon's famous [[null-ray]]s. These instant-hit lasers (terrific for taking down missiles) can be fired in short bursts with a very quick reload period, but do little damage per strike to anything stronger than a Glass Block. However, they ''are'' null rays, and as such will drop flying Pigs out of the air (after they take a certain amount of damage), temporarily shut down [[Walking Mortar Tower]]s... and ''stop [[Monolith]]s in mid-fall''. Wow. [[Boss Pig]] ''used'' to be vulnerable to the null ray, plummeting face-first into the dirt and exploding with only a couple blasts... but he's since gotten shielded to that. Oh well.

Starscream Pig could initially only be unlocked through the "Seek & Destroy" competition, alongside Skywarp and Sunstorm, each one costing 4800 Tokens. Considering the short run of this competition, good damn luck unlocking all three without spending a ''lot'' of Gems. He and all of the other Challenge Event unlockable characters were also made available in the "2-Year Celebration" Event. On day six of this Event, the game offered the "Starscream Bundle" for $14.99, which contained Starscream and his crown and shoulder pads accessories.

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! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
|-
|[[Transformer clothing#Headwear|Crown]]
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Defense
| The one he used in the movie
|-
|Headphones
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|[[Kremzeek]]
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|
|-
|Halloween Hat (wizard, mouth)
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|Halloween Event exclusive
|-
|Baseball Cap
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Launchers
|Chest
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +20% Defense
|-
|Enhanced Null-Ray
|Arms
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|Enhanced because normal null-rays is his default weapon
|-
|Shoulder Pads
|Back
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Fire Rate
|Actually mounted on shoulders
|}
</center>

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====As Skywarp====
[[File:Skywarp-Pig.jpg|thumb|300px|Legendary prankster and photobomber.]]
*''Squad'': '''The Seekers'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Investigator'''
*''Unlock Type'': Challenge Event
[[File:ABTransformersSkywarp.png|thumb|150px|left|Loves to push pigs down block-built stairs.]]

Originally, Skywarp Pig needed incentive to joining the fight. Some of the Autobirds and Deceptihogs were able to summon him into battle with Energon cubes, at which point he would fly into the area with a carpet-bomb attack. The more cubes he was given, the grander the scale of damage he was able to do. This changed with the introduction of the [[Energonicon]]s, and soon any member of the Autobird or Deceptihogs could summon Skywarp for a bombing run with [[Strikebot]] by their side. But he was eventually replaced in that role by a generic lavender-colored Seeker-type Minion when Skywarp became a fully-playable character.

As an in-the-field fighter, Skywarp launches a steady stream of incendiary missiles in a low arc with no reload time like all other seekers and like with Thundercracker and Energon Starscream, it's best to use the "drag" method of targeting to sweep across areas rather than tapping on individual objects. These missiles set anything they hit ablaze, doing steady damage well after the initial blast. This is especially useful against wood blocks, as the fire tends to spread from one flammable object to another. Naturally, it doesn't do a whole lot against stone blocks, and the glass blocks don't light on fire too well (luckily they can rarely take the initial hit anyway).

After the 2.0 update, Skywarp can sometimes be seen flying over the island, emitting a sound similar to Astrotrain blasting off at the end of an event. Tapping the poor guy makes him explode and it rewards the gruesome player with the grand total of 5 pigs. Such cruelty!

{{note|In earlier builds of the game, players could spend a few Gems on the map to have Skywarp bomb a level out of playability, forcing the Eggbots to terraform a new area. This was mainly useful for if the intended character for an area was in the middle of a long upgrade you didn't want to interrupt, or to skip an unusually hard event. This has since been altered to spending a single Gem to have the game randomly pick a different character from your roster to play in the level.}}

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|Headphones
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|Baseball Cap
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Mohawk
|Head
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +20% Fire Rate
|
|-
|Halloween Hat (wizard, mouth)
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|Halloween Event exclusive
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Launchers
|Chest
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +10% Explosive Force
|
|-
|Blaster
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Crystals
| +20% Damage
|
|-
|Null-Ray
|Arms
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|}
</center>
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====As Sunstorm====
[[File:Sunstorm-Pig.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*''Squad'': '''The Cybertronians'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Investigator'''
*''Unlock Type'': Challenge Event Prize (5000 tokens)

Sunstorm Pig launches lobbed explosive missiles that arch much higher than Skywarp's, destroying stone blocks with ease upon impact. But they're not very powerful nor effective at mass block destruction, especially non-stone materials, making him pretty weak but hey a character decent at destroying stone right.

On day eight of the "2-Year Celebration" Event, the "Sunstorm Bundle" was available for $14.99, which contained Sunstorm, 250 gems, and 25000 coins. (Sorry, no Shrapnel).

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|[[Shrapnel (AB)|Shrapnel]]
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Explosive Force
|
|-
|Headphones
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|Baseball Cap
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Halloween Hat (wizard, mouth)
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|Halloween Event exclusive
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Launchers
|Chest
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Crystals
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|Null-Ray
|Arms
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|}
</center>
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====As Devastator====
[[File:ABDevastator.jpg|right|thumb|300px|"Everyone needs to drive a vehicle, even the very tall. This was the largest auto I could afford. Should I therefore be made the subject of fun?"]]
*''Squad'': '''Combiners'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Firepower'''
*''Unlock Type'': Challenge Event Prize (10000 tokens), Gem Purchase, Bundle with Jungle Area

Devastator is HUGE. He barely fits into [[Astrotrain (AB)|Astrotrain]], and doesn't even try to at the end of a level.

Playing as Devastator is significantly different than normal. He has no vehicle mode to avoid obstacles, so... he doesn't. [[Monolith]]s break themselves upon him leaving naught a scratch, and normal [[Missile silo|Missiles]] explode harmlessly on contact (ink missiles and the big missiles in [[Piggy Island|Pig City]] can still do some damage). He also cannot use [[Energonicon]]s at all.

Instead of all that, Devastator has a load of weapons. His normal fire is very similar to [[Bubbles#As Ricochet|Ricochet's]], a fast-moving high-damage missile with a lightly-curved arc that ricochets off anything it hits. He'll often automatically compliment this with a volley of high-arced bombs like [[Bomb (AB)#As Wheeljack|Wheeljack's]] weapon, a wide spread with high damage but very little splash damage range. And finally, the "transform" button is replaced with a target button that places five reticles on random targets, then launches a vortex bullet at each. This attack can even be triggered after Devastator falls in battle during the "spend Gems to continue" animation, netting you a few more last-minute points. This attack resets after a short cooldown. And as for any blocks or Pigs that get directly in his path? He has a screen-shaking leaping fist-slam attack that obliterates just about everything in close range and creates a shockwave that can topple towers further in the background. Even early on, Devastator is a terror.

Devastator is one of six (as of this writing) characters who can be taken on a Challenge Run, which makes him a fairly valuable bot to upgrade and outfit as quick as possible. The post-knockout vortex bullet trick is definitely a nice bonus.

He uses a lot of [[Terence (AB)|Terence's]] animations, from the stompy-walk to the Riverdancing in the Barracks.

Devastator was originally available in the event of the same name for 10000 Tokens. He can also be unlocked at any time in a 3000-Gem package that also unlocks the Challenge Run and Jungle setting.

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! scope="col" width="10%" | '''Body Part'''
! scope="col" width="10%" | '''Rarity'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Cost'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Base Effect'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
|-
|Mohawk
|Head
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +20% Fire Rate
|
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Enigma Of Combination
|Chest
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Fire Rate
|
|-
|Kremzeek
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| EMP Rounds
|
|-
|Sentinel
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| Incendiary Rounds
|
|-
|Shrapnel
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| Acid Rounds
|
|-
|Ravage
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| Explosive Rounds
|
|-
|Megatron
|Back
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +10% Damage
|But he's a playable character right?
|-
|Badge of Leadership
|Back
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +10% Defense
|
|}
</center>

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====As Cyclonus====
[[File:Cyclonuspig.jpeg|thumb|250px|I could make a pun about what's on his head, but this wiki wouldn't allow it for multiple reasons.]]
*''Squad'': '''VIP'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Intelligence'''
*''Unlock Type'': Challenge Event prize
[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] carries a new type of weapon. By tapping the screen, the player makes him fire small lasers at the targets. The lasers damage everything in the structure.

But that's not all, because our piggy friend has a secondary weapon! By tapping and holding the screen, the player will make Cyclonus fire the biggest laser you've ever seen! For real, the thing is huge! It might even be bigger than [[Bomb (AB)#As Warpath|Warpath's]] laser. Downside to this laser is that it takes a very long time to charge up, which is understandable for a laser this big. After charging up, the player can fire the laser anytime they want, but Cyclonus can't hold his fire for too long because eventually it gets too hot and he'll have to release the charge.

And last but not least: he has a vehicle mode power! He does the whole vibrating-earthquake-thing that [[Mighty Eagle#As Alpha Trion|Alpha Trion]] does as well. Pfff, was that all? Finally...

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! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Cost'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Base Effect'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
|-
|Headphones
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Defense
|
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Uncommon
|5 Unommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +20% Defense
|
|-
|Medallion
|Chest
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +10% Weapon Cooldown
|
|-
|[[Nightstick (G1)|Nightstick]]
|Arms
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +20% Weapon Cooldown
|Sits in hand in robot mode (as a pistol), sits on wing in vehicle mode (as a bot).
|-
|[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]
|Wing
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +10% Damage
|Nemesis is actually a huge starship, so this is kinda weird.
|-
|}
</center>

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====As Thrust====
[[File:Thrustpig.jpeg|thumb|200|px|Shine bright like a diamond]]
*''Squad'': '''Coneheads'''
*''Mission Type'': '''???'''
*''Unlock Type'': Challenge Event (cost: 10000 Tokens), Gold Crates, gem purchase
[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] is apparently the most important [[Conehead]]. The Conehead Challenge Event, which ran from 24 July to 30 July and featured all three freshly-added Coneheads, called him “Top Prize,” and he in particular was stated to be added to Gold Crates, even though so were the other two Coneheads.

[[File:ThrustWeapon.jpeg|thumb|100|px|left|Welp, pictures speak louder than words anyway.]]
Thrust has quite the unique weapon. He shoots three sonic blasts, which are connected to each other. This makes it look like some kind of flower if you get what I'm saying. The whole rotates around the middle and is very destructive.

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! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Cost'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Base Effect'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
|-
|Traffic Cone
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Defense
|
|-
|Traffic Cone
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Damage
|Tilted to the right
|-
|Traffic Cone
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Vehicle Time
|Tilted to the front
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Launchers
|Chest
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Defense
|
|-
|Blaster
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|No, not ''that'' Blaster!
|-
|Shield
|Back
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Defense
|
|-
|}
</center>

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====As Dirge====
[[File:Dirgepig.jpeg|thumb|200|px|I just nearly escaped death!]]
*''Squad'': '''Coneheads'''
*''Mission Type'': '''???'''
*''Unlock Type'': Challenge Event (cost: 10000 Tokens), Gold Crates, gem purchase
[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] is definitely the most explosive Conehead of the three: he throws TNT boxes at his targets as a weapon, similar to [[Zeta (AB)#As Nightbird|Nightbird's]] weapon, which also focuses on yeeting in-game blocks at structures. He also has a drain effect on enemies where he regenerates health from popping all those piggies. And while his TNT boxes can easily completely demolish structures and take out entire swarms of flying piggies, they don't do a whole lot of damage to [[Walking Mortar Tower|Mortar Towers]]. Luckily, there is a small reload time to this weapon and it will keep on firing TNT at the big guys until they eventually explode too. And as if one explosion wasn't enough, the boxes also split into two more TNT boxes after hitting a target, which means triple destruction!

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! scope="col" width="10%" | '''Rarity'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Cost'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Base Effect'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
|-
|Traffic Cone
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Defense
|
|-
|Traffic Cone
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Damage
|Tilted to the right
|-
|Traffic Cone
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Vehicle Time
|Tilted to the front
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Launchers
|Chest
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Defense
|
|-
|Blaster
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|No, not ''that'' Blaster!
|-
|Shield
|Back
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Defense
|
|-
|}
</center>

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====As Ramjet====
[[File:Ramjetpig.jpeg|thumb|300|px|[[Ramjet (Animated)|I'm not making a silly face! I swear!]]]]
*''Squad'': '''Coneheads'''
*''Mission Type'': '''???'''
*''Unlock Type'': Challenge Event (cost: 10000 Tokens), Gold Crates, gem purchase
[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] is obsessed with safety. Other than his more explosive Conehead brothers, he focuses on quickly taking out those scary gunner piggies so that he won't lose any of his precious health points. To achieve this goal, he carries a swirly instant-hit laserbeam that drags pigs and blocks in a random direction, similar to [[Mighty Eagle#As Alpha Trion|Alpha Trion's]] weapon. The color of this beam is red with black accents. To guarantee his safety even more, he sometimes randomly activates an energy shield which blocks all gun blasts and missiles and such.

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! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Cost'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Base Effect'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
|-
|Traffic Cone
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Defense
|
|-
|Traffic Cone
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Damage
|Tilted to the right
|-
|Traffic Cone
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Vehicle Time
|Tilted to the front
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Launchers
|Chest
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Defense
|
|-
|Blaster
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|No, not ''that'' Blaster!
|-
|Shield
|Back
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Defense
|
|-
|}
</center>

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====As Captain Starscream====
[[File:ScratchedStarscream.jpeg|thumb|200px|What do you mean there's a giant hole in my leg?]]
*''Squad'': '''Officers'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Investigator'''
*''Unlock Type'': Prime Pass (Level 10)
The Deceptihogs just got word that the Autobirds are trying to get the [[AllSpark|Eggspark]]! In this Bird-Pig war, our green friends DEFINITELY can't permit that! And thus [[King Pig#As Lord Megatron|Lord Megatron]] decides to send in one of his most valuable officers: Captain Starscream!

His weapon throws stone blocks at the target. Yeah that's definitely an anticlimax. They are great at exploding everything in a large radius, however.

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! scope="col" width="10%" | '''Body Part'''
! scope="col" width="10%" | '''Rarity'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Cost'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Base Effect'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
|-
|Crown
|Head
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Defense
|
|-
|Kremzeek
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Launchers
|Chest
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +20% Defense
|
|-
|Enhanced Null-Ray
|Arms
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|
|-
|}
</center>

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====As Ionstorm====
[[File:ABTF Ion Storm.jpeg|thumb|200px]]
*''Squad'': '''Reinforcements'''
*''Mission Type'': '''???'''
*''Unlock Type'': Challenge Event (cost: 10000 Tokens), Gem purchase
A new [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] arrives in the form of [[Ion Storm]] (though spelled Ionstorm, without the space). His weapon rains down three lime colored diagonal beams on the powerless piggies. Although the biggest disappointment is no personal EMP effects. Wait, what!? No EMP?!

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====As Sergeant Thundercracker====
[[File:Warpass Thundercracker.jpeg|thumb|200px|Handsome boye]]
*''Squad'': '''Operations'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Investigator'''
*''Unlock Type'': Prime Pass (Level 10)
All these victories on the Deceptihog side have made the piggies very full of themselves. But with the arrival of [[Stella (AB)#As Sergeant Chromia|Sergeant Chromia]], they should start getting worried if they can stand their ground! Luckily, the Deceptihogs have a sergeant of their own, who patrols the high skies eliminating every danger that comes in his path. But will he be enough for the full Autobird force?

Sergeant Thundercracker shoots blue TNT boxes that float to the target in a straight line, seemingly yeeting the target off the face of the earth.

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====As Nova Storm====
[[File:Novastormpig.jpeg|thumb|200px]]
*''Squad'': '''Reinforcements'''
*''Mission Type'': '''???'''
*''Unlock Type'': Challenge Event (cost: 10000 Tokens), Gem purchase

Nova Storm's weapon shoots a purple cloud at the target that not only has a high explosive force, but also sends remaining objects flying with a large purple twirl.

====As Sergeant Devastator====
*''Squad'': '''Specialist Raiders'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Firepower'''
*''Unlock Type'': Prime pass

The war continues and Lord Megatron decides to send in a Combiner. Yeah, you heard that right. Sergeant Devastator is massive and will definitely take down the Autobirds. But they have there own Big Transformer (he’s not a Combiner ok) in the form of Sergeant Omega Supreme. The two titans clash.

His weapon acts just like his original.

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! scope="col" width="10%" | '''Body Part'''
! scope="col" width="10%" | '''Rarity'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Cost'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Base Effect'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
|-
|Mohawk
|Head
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +20% Fire Rate
|
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Enigma Of Combination
|Chest
|Legendary
|5 Legendary Crystals + 200,000 Coins
| +40% Fire Rate
|
|-
|Kremzeek
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| EMP Rounds
|
|-
|Sentinel
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| Incendiary Rounds
|
|-
|Shrapnel
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| Acid Rounds
|
|-
|Ravage
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| Explosive Rounds
|
|-
|Megatron
|Back
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +10% Damage
|But he's a playable character right?
|-
|Badge of Leadership
|Back
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +10% Defense
|
|}
</center>

====As Special Officer Skywarp====
*''Squad'': '''Sawbones Squad'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Investigator'''
*''Unlock Type'': Prime pass

After a big war with the two Titans, Special Officer Skywarp is here and ready to take down Special Officer Hound. And being a Seeker he can take to the skies as well.

His weapon is disappointingly, just his original.

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! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Cost'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Base Effect'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
|-
|Headphones
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|Baseball Cap
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Mohawk
|Head
|Rare
|5 Rare Crystals + 20,000 Coins
| +20% Fire Rate
|
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Launchers
|Chest
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +10% Explosive Force
|
|-
|Blaster
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Crystals
| +20% Damage
|
|-
|Null-Ray
|Arms
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|}
</center>

====As Seeker Acid Storm====
*''Squad'': '''Sawbones Squad'''
*''Mission Type'': '''Investigator'''
*''Unlock Type'': Prime pass

The Deceptihogs need someone who can take to the skies to take down Scout Arcee and so they send in top Seeker, Seeker Acid Storm (yeah not you Sunstorm). With his acid rain as a weapon against the autobirds, the Deceptihogs surely will win.

His weapon is literally just the same as his original weapon.

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! scope="col" width="10%" | '''Body Part'''
! scope="col" width="10%" | '''Rarity'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Cost'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Base Effect'''
! scope="col" width="20%" | '''Notes'''
|-
|[[Kremzeek]]
|Head
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|
|-
|Headphones
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|Baseball Cap
|Head
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|Sunglasses
|Face
|Common
|5 Common Crystals + 2,500 Coins
| +10% Transform Recharge
|
|-
|[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]
|Arms
|Epic
|5 Epic Crystals + 60,000 Coins
| +20% Damage
|
|-
|Null-Ray
|Arms
|Uncommon
|5 Uncommon Crystals + 8,000 Coins
| +10% Damage
|
|-
|}
</center>

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====As the Eggbot Army====
[[File:ABTF-screen-Piggies.jpg|thumb|You probably popped hundreds of thousands of these piggies. ''Millions'' in all the other Angry Birds games.]]

The overwhelming majority of King Pig's army joined the Eggbots in their goal of Cyberforming Piggy Island.

The most common Minions have no offensive capabilities whatsoever, unless you count their annoying laughter. They simply bounce in place, waiting to be popped by weapons fire, by having blocks fall on them, or being dropped from a good height.

Some Minions have developed guns, though! The red ones are know as “Stinger Pigs” and many can be spotted by their burgundy armor or boxy eye-obscuring helmets, but some are harder to spot! Their armaments range from simple blasters to rocket launchers to multi-blast "shotguns". Their aim varies: some need a few moments to properly get their targets in their sights, but elite pigs can be distressingly accurate even at long range. These Minions tend to be a little tougher to pop, but thankfully a toppled but unpopped Minion generally can't right itself, and will just fire blindly in whatever direction it's facing. These Minions' shots can topple blocks and even injure their fellow Minions should they get in the way.

Some of these gunners grew propellers on their heads, making them dangerously mobile. These Minions like to pop up, sometimes in swarms, blocking your shots. They hover for a bit, fire, and zip to a new location. If they are not popped quickly enough, they'll perform a kamikaze dive at the player which does a bit more damage than their blasters do.

Other Minions ''want'' to fly but can't, so they've settled for somehow getting way up high and tying balloons to themselves to float down gently. These Minions also lack blasters (man, what a bunch of losers), so instead they've attached sticks of dynamite to themselves (wait, what?!) so they can go kaboom once they get too close to an [[Autobird]] or [[Deceptihog]]. The quickest way to deal with them is by popping their supporting balloons, sending them falling helplessly to the ground.

And then there's the '''Sharktihogs''', Minions who have taken on the properties of the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]]s. Found in the Cobalt Plateau's river (and very occasionally at the beach), these piscine porcines lurk underwater with only their fins sticking out before leaping into the air. Thankfully, rather than trying to gnaw your face off, they shoot at you with simple blasters. They're not invulnerable while submerged either, so a sharp-eyed shooter can take them out before they strike!

Only in the newly discovered Caves, '''Bat Pigs''' are not mechanical, but bizarre dark green organic hybrids of pig and, well, bat. They barrel roll in front of the player and will eventually go kamikaze if not popped, which, surprisingly enough, doesn't do any damage. They are similar to Flying Pigs, except they don't shoot and they're much tougher. 750 of these are needed to unlock [[Matilda#As Nautica|Nautica]]. There's also a [[Boss Pig|Boss Bat Pig]].

====As an unnamed Seeker====
[[File:unnamed-seeker-pig.jpeg|thumb|150px]]

This pig flies by and drops some bombs when [[Strikebot]] is activated. He replaced Skywarp after our purple friend was added to the game as a playable character.

None of the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] matches his appearance and he stays unnamed ‘till this day.

He looks vaguely like [[Hotlink (G1)|Hotlink]] somehow, but the likelihood of actually being Hotlink is low.
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==Toys==
===''Angry Birds Transformers''===
[[File:ABTF-toy StarscreamEnTelepod.jpg|right|thumb|250px|"That's right fellas. I'm a clown now! This was...my plan all along or something."]]
*'''Energon Racers Pack''' (''Telepods'' Racers multi-pack, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' ''Telepods'' base

: As a [[Telepod]] figure, Energon Starscream Pig [[Autotransformation|automatically transforms]] from jet to robot by pushing back his noggin, and back just by pushing him down. He has a scan-code on the bottom of his feet, which allows him to be scanned into the ''[[Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers]]'' app when placed on top of a magnifying Telepods base, included with the set. Doing so repairs in-game Energon Starscream's damage, and powers him up for a short amount of time.

: He was only available as part of a multi-pack with "Energon" versions of [[Red (AB)|Optimus Prime Bird]], [[Hal|Grimlock Bird]], [[Moustache Pig|Lockdown Pig]] and [[Chef Pig|Soundwave Pig]].

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*'''Thundercracker Pig''' (''Telepods Racer, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' ''Telepods'' base

: Thundercracker Pig is a [[redeco]] of Energon Starscream Pig, transforming from robot to jet. Like all ''Telepods'' products, he is packaged with a ''Telepods'' base.

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*'''Optimus Prime Bird Raceway''' (''Telepods'' track set, 2014)

: A small, non-transforming figure of Starscream Pig in jet mode is included in the Optimus Prime Bird Raceway set. It can be mounted atop the raceway's flagpole, and is sent spinning when a ''Telepods'' Racer figure rolls past.

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[[File:ABTF-toy StarscreamStinger-OPAttack.jpg|right|thumb|250px]]
*'''Optimus Prime Attack Game''' (''Jenga'' game, 2014)

: The Optimus Prime Attack Game includes two Minion Pig heads, one as Starscream Pig, and one as the curiosly-only-exists-in-this-one-set [[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]] Pig (it seems to be based on the enemies of the same name but looks a bit different). They can be placed among ''{{w|Jenga}}'' blocks inside a [[Hal#Jenga|Grimlock Bird frame]] to be knocked away by a launched vehicle. They can also be attached to any of the non-transforming ''Angry Birds Transformers Jenga'' vehicles... or any [[5 mm post|5mm post]] in general. Because you know you want to put a Minion Pig head on every Transformer possible.

: Don't lie. You do.

: The set also comes with a mini-head version of [[Red (AB)#OptimusAttack|Optimus Prime Bird]] with a flying truck vehicle.

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[[File:ABTFtoy-AcidStorm.jpg|thumb|250px|Had the toyline continued, there may have also been a Seeker 3-pack.]]
*'''Acid Storm Pig''' (Telepods racer, <s>2015</s>)
**''Accessories:'' Telepods base

:Acid Storm and the three other figures part of the "Turbo Energon" subline were listed on the Hasbro website, but ultimately never saw release.
{{canceledtoy}}
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==Notes==
*Among the features the Pig army had in the earliest builds of the game that have long since been removed are: pigs with TV antennae, another kind of random-shooting box-helmeted pig, pigs with rapid-fire lasers, rapid-fire rockets, or deadly shotgun blasts, balloon pigs with their dynamite/candles lit, with some having more than one balloon, and flying pigs with rockets, shotgun blasts, rapid-fire blasts, or even deadly lasers! Though Shotgun Pig was brought back to the game in the jungle update.
* Every character in the game does a little dance when idling on the character upgrade screen. All of the jet-pigs do [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS1cLOIxsQ8 The Carlton].
* As the player upgrades each playable character, their models can gain new pieces of armor. At level 7, all the jet-pigs' helmets start gaining protrusions resembling a familiar-looking [[Transformer clothing#Headwear|crown]]. However, putting on a head Accessory removes this extra armor.
* Thundercracker's Shield Accessory is based on [[Baro]], the ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime]]'' [[Arms Micron]]... who was originally [[Skywarp (WFC)#Toys|''Prime'' Skywarp's]] partner. A [[Baro#Silver|chrome-silver version of Baro]] however was packed in with [[Thundercracker (WFC)#Toys|''Prime'' Thundercracker]], so sure, why not?
[[File:Unnamed-seeker-pig.jpeg|thumb|Kudos to anyone who knows what Seeker this pig is based on.]]
* Ever since Skywarp Pig became a playable character, another Seeker pig has taken his place as the Strikebot bomber. Because it would be a paradox to have ''two'' Skywarps on the battlefield.
* [[Tony Hale]] voiced a Minion Pig called '''[[wikia:angrybirds:Ross|Ross]]''' in the 2016 ''Angry Birds'' animated movie.
* Rather than being added to the game separately, all three Coneheads were added at the same time.
** Strangely, the Coneheads will still have their cones on their heads even when in vehicle mode, despite the fact that those should be their nosecones. Their actual nosecones are on their backs, like all the other normal jet-based Transformers.
** Thrust's color-scheme of yellow and red instead of the traditional black and red might be a homage to the [[Thrust (BM)|Beast Machines]] version of Thrust.
* Minion Pig is currently the character with the most incarnations in the game, even when not counting the Eggbot Army.
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==External links==
*[[wikia:angrybirds:Minion Pigs|Minion Pigs]] on the ''{{w|Angry Birds}}'' wiki.

[[Category:Deceptihogs]]
[[Category:Combiners]]

Talk:Thunderwing (G1)

2022-11-01T15:54:48Z

ChristalIsMe:

This is my first article for Wikipedia, so be mindful of that before you say hurtful things about poor grammar and/or spelling. That said, critisisms are welcome.

The content appears fine (if lacking in both his UK appearances, and a brief is needed on his Matrix Affinity, which is what set him apart.)
the language is too informal/not detached enough for Wiki standards though. Also, calling US#75 'The Unicron Battle' is unnecessarily confusing, because the term has nother connotations in continuity.[User:Derik]

Truth be told, I don't have the issue with the Unicron Battle in it (I only have two of the Titan Book reproductions), so I wasn't sure what number it was. Let alone the actual title of the story, so I just went with something generic enough to tell when it happened.

But thanks for the comments.

== revisions ==

I took your comments to heart and rewrote a heavy portion of the article. It's not quite Barns & Noble-Quality, but now it doesn't sound so much like the insane ramblings of a Decepticon fanboy.

Also, I discovered that it helps if you actually reread the comics in question before you set out to do something like this.
The more you know, eh?

As for the UK comics thing, I honestly had no idea. As far as I was concerned, he was created for the Matrix Quest, spent a good chunk of time deceased, then failed to kill Unicron. So any amount of lore regarding the T-Man is outside my knowledge.

== Megadeath? ==

The article is already written -- [[Megadeath (G1)|Megadeath]] -- and just needs to be fitted into the framework the author's got here... [[User:82.45.64.176|82.45.64.176]] 17:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

==Fiction order?==
Shouldn't the Armada section come before IDW, since it came out before IDW's take? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:37, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. It should. I'd fix it but there's a 90% chance I'll just end up on an edit conflict with Walky. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:Disregard last transmission. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Main pic ==
Nice choice, Thy! That picture looks terrific. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:39, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

== Generations Instructions ==
''Thunderwing's instructions depict him with Black Shadow's head and chest, revealing an eventual retool that still has not been officially announced.''

Interestingly, mine didn't. In fact, I can see where they changed the pictures so that it's Thunderwing's head in the instructions like a running change. Maybe they're not going with the remold after all.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 20:18, 16 January 2011 (EST)
:Or maybe they just pulled a change so the instructions remain recognizable? The chest on the Hasbro online instructions still show Black Shadow's chest. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:30, 16 January 2011 (EST)

== Thunderwing and the Matrix crash on Earth's moon? ==

Did Thunderwing and the Matrix really crash land on the Moon? I don't see anything that says that. In issue 62 was not far from Pz-Zazz (in space terms, at least). Then in issue 64 it was near a red planet that was presumably Pequod. It looks like the Ark was dropping off search parties near their destinations so the Ark was probably near VsQs at the time of the battle with Thunderwing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:11, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
:How do you know the Ark was in orbit around Earth during the battle with Thunderwing? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:34, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
::Because between its repair and the Unicron battle, the Ark was never ever ever seen outside Earth's orbit. That was where it was permanently stationed. If the Autobots needed to go somewhere, they took a shuttle from there to somewhere else. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:45, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
:::And we know the shuttles had interstellar range, since [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] took one to [[Hydrus Four]]. So Optimus Prime didn't need to relocate the ''Ark'' in order to dispatch the shuttles for the Matrix Quest. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 16:16, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
::::Apparently funeral barges have interstellar range, so I'm not worried about that. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:33, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
[[image:Ark Matrix Quest 3.jpg|right|thumb|300px|After that, the Ark was here, which doesn't look much like Earth orbit.]]
::: I'm not so sure that's true. The Ark was not so far away from Pz-Zazz. I suppose that could mean the Ark was in orbit around Earth which is not so far away from Pz-Zazz, but I doubt it.- [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:33, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
::::So, it wasn't necessarily the Moon, right? The Ark is mobile. I can move around. Why assume it was in Earth orbit during the Matrix quest when it never says that? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:58, 16 August 2012 (EDT)

== Thunder Mayhem ==

So, should Thunder Mayhem be listed on this page? I wouldn't have brought it up normally, but Galvatronus is listed in Galvatron II's page, and this is sorta the same type of thing. Spark controls Combiner. [[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:43, 31 October 2022 (EDT)
:I think Galvatronus shows up on Galvy II's page because Galvatron II's head pops out of Cyclonus's torso and talks. Thunder Mayhem isn't Thunderwing any more than most combiners -- it's six sparks combined into one consciousness. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:27, 31 October 2022 (EDT)
::The stories themselves indicate, as I recall, that Thunder Mayhem is largely controlled by Thunderwing's consciousness with the others just serving as body parts for his consciousness. However I still think they're radically different enough to be on seperate pages.
::: Okay, thank you. Just checking. [[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:54, 1 November 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Thunderwing (G1)

2022-10-31T15:43:14Z

ChristalIsMe: /* Thunder Mayhem */ new section

Talk:Sound Wave

2022-10-25T14:17:21Z

ChristalIsMe:

The toy is actually called Sound Wave on the packaging. I propose a move to [[Sound Wave]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:18, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
:Agreed. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:55, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
:: I have in no way any solid argument against this move, and I think it'd be a great idea... But am I the only one who's somewhat worried that it'll be somewhat confusing in terms of page titles? Considering that there's already the 'Con Soundwave in the same series, I wish we could add something like (drone) at the end of the article's name... Just a concern I'm throwing out there, I'm not going to make a big protest about it. [[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:03, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Eh, we go with the most official name we can, and let disambigs sort things out. Right now, I'm at the point where I've stared at enough variations of the name "soundwave" that the word "sound" is starting to look like gibberish to me, so I'm off to enjoy a nice spring day.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:05, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
::::Maybe "Sound Wave toy"? after all those are the tree biggest words on the box, plus they are written in the same font.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 16:11, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::I thought about that, but they are just "Sound Wave" in the advertisements. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:19, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::: Fair enough. I'll just shake my fist at Porter C. Powell for confusing me. *shakes* [[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:23, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::: Well, Sari said "Sound Wave toy" once, so it is official.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 16:47, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

[[Image:Human error pt1 yes it is two words.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
Uh... in what way is this two words? Sure, the logo's broken over two lines, but [[:Image:G1logo.jpg|it's not as if]] [[:Image:Classicslogo.jpg|we've never]] [[:Image:Universe2008Logo.jpg|seen that]] [[:Image:Transformersanimated_franchise_logo.png|before, is it?]] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:29, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
:It's two words even when it is on the same line (in the advertisements I think.) - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:38, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
::As you can now see. God, I don't want to move this ''again''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:23, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
:::As a sysop, you have the ability to prevent pages from being moved. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:37, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
::::Oh, I'm less complaining about that and more on the endless "well maybe we should move this here" debates.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:41, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

== Move to Sound Wave (Animated toy) ==

I agree with this move. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 04:35, 21 December 2020 (EST)
: As far as I can tell, the Disambigs are just too get the computer to work, not for any information. Since the pages can coexist, no need for a Disambig. [[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 10:17, 25 October 2022 (EDT)

Wreckage (G1)

2022-10-24T05:01:27Z

ChristalIsMe: Same thing I did in the Devastator (Rotf) page.

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{{disambig3|Wreckage}}
:''Wreckage is a [[combiner]] from the [[Of Masters and Mayhem]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:DeadlyAim Wreckage.jpg|right|thumb|250px|I will Wreck and/or Rule!]]

In the desperate times following the devastation wrought by [[Thunder Mayhem]], the [[Wrecker]]s fought back with an abomination of their own–'''Wreckage''', a [[combiner]] formed from a disparate combination of elements. Formed around [[Toxitron (G1)|Toxitron]] and enhanced with the mysterious [[Greenergon]], Wreckage is a chaotic mishmash of everyone [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] could recruit to restore the legendary Autobot strike force, including [[Decepticon]]s and/or [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s. Unlike most combiners, Wreckage has a [[spark]] of his own and a will separate from that of his components–making him powerful but very unpredictable.

Ultimately, the Wreckers may have created a monster that not even they can control.

{|border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" style="margin:.5em 0 1.5em 0;"
!
!First version
!Second version
|-
| valign="top"|
*Torso
*Left arm
*Right arm
*Left leg
*Right leg
| valign="top"|
*[[Toxitron (G1)|Toxitron]]
*[[Offroad (CW)|Offroad]]
*[[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]]
*[[Alpha Bravo]]
*[[Fractyl]]
| valign="top"|
*Toxitron
*Counterpunch
*[[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]
*Fractyl
*[[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]]
|}

==Fiction==
===''Of Masters and Mayhem''===

[[File:LivelyPursuit Wreckage.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]

After the unstoppable super [[Combiner]] known as [[Thunder Mayhem]] lay waste to all of Cybertron, the former [[Wrecker]]s commander [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] vowed revenge. He slowly assembled a new crew of Wreckers from the few surviving Cybertronians he found throughout the galaxy. [[Toxitron (G1)|Toxitron]], [[Alpha Bravo]], and [[Offroad (CW)|Offroad]] were already Combination-compatible, while [[Fractyl]] and [[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]] were given modifications to incorporate them into the mix. Fractyl reverse-engineered the power of Thunder Mayhem's spark using a substance called "[[Greenergon]]", implanting a supply of it inside Toxitron to act as a booster when they combined.

Impactor led the Wreckers to a planet inhabited by a [[Mecannibal]] hive as a testing ground. The five Wreckers united for the first time in the field, integrating to become a being calling itself Wreckage. The new combiner proved to be an unstoppable engine of destruction, killing the Mecannibals with little effort. Once he ran out of available prey, however, Wreckage turned on Impactor. In the mind of Wreckage, anything that could be wrecked ''should'' be wrecked. Impactor attempted to command the combiner to disengage, but only when Alpha Bravo's consciousness began screaming the same thing inside his mind did Wreckage finally relent.

[[File:OMAMFinale WreckageVThunderMayhem.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4]]
The PTSD of being part of Wreckage's mind was too much for Alpha Bravo to bear. Desperate to insure the combiner never formed again, Alpha Bravo murdered his friend Offroad and was killed in turn by Toxitron. {{storylink|Foundation and Wreckage Part 1: Deadly Aim|Deadly Aim}}

The Wreckers found a new recruit named [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] back on Cybertron, and Impactor decided to become a part of the new Wreckage as well. Under attack by the alien [[Teklaan]]s, Impactor used a design lab to modify Bluestreak for the process and Wreckage was reborn. The changes were notable—Impactor's inner voice proved much more effective than as an independent commander, but Bluestreak's mouth mixed with Toxitron's attitude led to some seriously horrific monologue-ing. Wreckage absorbed and dispersed the energies of the Teklaans' terraforming equipment, then destroyed their ship to prevent future efforts. {{storylink|Lively Pursuit}}

The Wreckers finally located Thunder Mayhem on the planet Earth, and Wreckage was formed again. In battle with the destroyer of worlds, Wreckage's power was harnessed by a human with a genetic quirk named [[Lisa|Elizabeth]]. His energies, combined with other forces present, broke the [[Matrix of Malice]] and cost Thunder Mayhem its power. {{storylink|Finale (OMAM)|Finale}}
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==Toys==
===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:TF-TFCC-Wreckage.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''[[Toxitron (G1)#Generations|Wrecker Toxitron]]''' (TFSS 5.0, 2017)
*'''[[Punch (G1)#Generations|Wrecker Counterpunch]]''' (TFSS 5.0, 2017)
*'''[[Fractyl#Generations|Wrecker Fractyl]]''' (TFSS 5.0, 2017)
*'''[[Alpha Bravo#Generations|Alpha Bravo]]''' (Deluxe Class, 2015)
*'''[[Offroad (CW)#Toys|Decepticon Offroad]]''' (Deluxe Class, 2015)
:*'''[[Impactor (G1)#Combiner Wars|Impactor]]''' (TFSS 4.0, 2016)
:*'''[[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Bluestreak]]''' (TFSS 4.0, 2016)
:*''Accessories:'' Sword (formed by Toxitron's sword and gun), 4 hands/feet, 4 small weapons

:Wreckage is formed by combining three of the [[Transformers Figure Subscription Service|TFSS 5.0]] figures along with Alpha Bravo and Offroad, which are regular releases from the ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' toyline. The latter two can also be replaced with the bonus figures from the TFSS 4.0 and 5.0. The first official configuration, as seen in the picture at the top, uses Counterpunch as the right arm, Offroad as the left arm, Fractyl as the right leg and Alpha Bravo as the left leg. The second official configuration, as seen in the picture in the middle, uses Impactor as the right arm, Counterpunch as the left arm, Bluestreak as the right leg, and Fractyl as the left leg. The instruction sheets for Bluestreak and Impactor give yet another configuration for Wreckage than in his fictional portrayal. In this formation, Bluestreak is the left arm, Impactor is the right arm, Counterpunch is the left leg, and Fractyl is the right leg.

==See also==
*[[Ruination (FOC)|Ruination]]

==External links==
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fu2iPExe_M|YouTube Video] showcasing Wreckage's second incarnation, posted by Ome9asupreme.

[[Category:Combined forms]]
[[Category:Combiner Wars Autobots]]
[[Category:Fan Club-original characters]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Wreckers]]

Devastator (ROTF)

2022-10-15T08:33:13Z

ChristalIsMe: The page implied that Devastator had 9 components, which isn't true.

{{featured}}
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{{disambig3|Devastator}}
:''Devastator is a [[Decepticon]] [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]] [[combiner]] from the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:ROTF_Devastator_promo.jpg|thumb|400px|[[City of Steel (episode)|King Kong]] ain't got nothin' on me!]]

Whether he's formed from six, seven, eight, or even nine [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicons]], '''Devastator''' is a giant among giants. He is in fact so huge that his body simply cannot support itself when carrying his weight upright, forcing him to lumber on all fours.

Devastator is a tormented being, his very formation wracking his component Constructicons with pain and stressing them to the breaking point both physically and mentally. The imperfect fusion process produces a mind that's very much less than the sum of its parts; rage and pain are all he knows, pushing aside whatever intelligence he might possess. Devastator relies on almost pure instinct in battle.

Devastator is named after [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s unwithstandable and terrifyingly destructive [[Devastator Winds]], due to his intimidating strength. Devastator can also create powerful gravity wells by generating an artificial [[black hole]] with his [[Vortex Grinder]], located in his mouth.<ref>Devastator's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/Battle-Bios.cfm Battle Bio] at Hasbro.com</ref> Nearby objects are drawn into his gaping mouth to be crushed.

Devastator is made up of:
*[[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]] (torso)
*[[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]] (left arm)
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] (right leg)
*[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]] (head)
*[[Skipjack (ROTF)|Skipjack]] (left leg, or left foot if the yellow dump truck is included)
*[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]] (right arm)
;Sometimes omitted
*[[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]] (lower waist)
*[[Unknown Constructicon dump truck|Yellow dump truck]] (left leg)
*[[Unknown Constructicon shovel|Second bulldozer]] (left hand)
;Other configurations
*[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] (stand-in for Scavenger)
*[[Hook (ROTF)|Hook]] (stand-in for Hightower)
*[[Bonecrusher (ROTF Constructicon)|Bonecrusher]] (stand-in for Skipjack)
*[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] (another stand-in for Skipjack)
*[[Scrapmetal (ROTF)|Scrapmetal]] (stand-in for the second bulldozer)

==Fiction==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
{{voiceactor|[[Frank Welker]] (English), [[Yasuyoshi Hara]] (Japanese)}}

[[File:Devastator-ROTFvsLeoSpitz.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6|He's like a giant puppy! Who wants to eat you.]]
Upon arrival in [[Egypt]], the Constructicons that made up Devastator combined and attacked [[Leo Spitz]], [[Seymour Simmons]], [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]], and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]. It rampaged through the construction facility, sucking up anything not anchored down, such as sand, cars, and Mudflap. Despite the powerful vacuum, Mudflap held out for a while before being sucked further in. Seeking vengeance, Skids clambered up Devastator for revenge. However, Mudflap had survived, and he blasted a hole through the giant Decepticon's eye to climb out before further attacking the combiner and slowing it down.

[[File:ROTF Devastator death.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Hi ho, hi ho-HOLY SLAG!]]
[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] yelled Devastator's name from atop the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]] to end the twins' distraction. Devastator clambered out of the construction pit and grappled his way to the peak of the pyramid, where he used his vortex grinder to suck up the stones that hid the [[Star Harvester|star harvester]] inside. By this point, Simmons had made his way to the pyramid, and he radioed a nearby navy ship to fire its experimental [[rail gun]], which had been developed based on studies of Megatron during his captivity at [[Hoover Dam]]. The gun's projectile hit Devastator, blasting off an arm and the lower half of his leg, making him lose his balance, causing him to shatter into many pieces as his body tumbled down the pyramid. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{note|Devastator's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'', ''[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Junior Novel]]'' and ''[[The Last Prime]]''; the comic mini-series ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Official Movie Adaptation]]''; and the storybooks "[[I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime]]", "[[Rise of the Decepticons]]", "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Electronic Voice Changer]]" and "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Mix & Match]]".}}

===IDW movie comics===
[[File:Possibly Devastator TOTF Flashback.jpg|thumb|left]]
Someone who was possibly Devastator was involved in a battle with [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]], thousands of years ago. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 2|Tales of the Fallen #2}}
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===Titan movie comics===
[[File:Rotf devastator vs stratosphere.jpg|thumb|275px|''The CLAAAAAWWWW!'']]
The Decepticons recovered Devastator's remains, and brought them to the peaks of [[British Columbia]], [[Canada]], so that the behemoth could be repaired by a squad under the watchful optics of [[Skywarp (Movie)|Skywarp]]. Hiding the construction site with a dense, artificially-generated cloudbank, the Decepticons proceeded with repairs until the unfortunate Autobot [[Stratosphere]] stumbled across their location while on a routine patrol in the area. The partially functional Devastator lashed out at the airborne Autobot, smashing off one of his wings and causing him to crash. Stratosphere survived the hit and fought his way past Skywarp to co-opt the Decepticons' communications array, using it to call in an air-strike on Devastator's position. Stratosphere and his fellow Autobots wondered if Devastator could have survived the massive blast that followed, but they decided not to wait around to find out. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.14|Head in the Clouds}}
{{-}}

===Toy bios===
[[File:HFTD Devastator Wallpaper.jpeg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]
Devastator chose a green color scheme at some point in time based on the [[oxide shark]]s of the [[Rust Sea]], the most feared predators on Cybertron.

In order to look more like a predator, he once threatened a group of Decepticon scientists into making drastic changes to his body that saw the installation of the Vortex Grinder. The installation of this weapon broke his mind, but made him a mighty force.<ref>[[Toys"R"Us]]-exclusive Devastator's on-line [[bio]]</ref>

After getting dismantled by the railgun, at least some of the components that formed him at the time survived the ordeal. Ironhide made it his mission to hunt the components down one-by-one, starting with Mixmaster.
{{storylink|Mixmaster (ROTF)#Speed_Stars|Enforcer Ironhide VS Mixmaster}}

Devastator was last seen partially deactivated (presumably due to damage wrought to him by the railgun) and hiding in the [[Africa]]n disaster zone.<ref>The most wanted Decepticons Devastator card</ref>
{{--}}

==Games==
===Transformers: Battle for the Matrix===
{{Note|Battle for the Matrix is a simplified retelling of the events of [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]. It can be played from the perspective of either [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] or [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]].}}

[[File:Devastator battleforthematrix.jpg|thumb|Oh, are you filling in for the railgun by shooting my balls? ''No way'', Jose! Or Bumblebee!]]
{{storylink|Transformers: Battle for the Matrix}}
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===''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' - The Game===
{{voiceactor|[[Fred Tatasciore]] (English)}}
====Xbox 360/Sony PS3/PC====
=====Autobot campaign=====
[[File:ROTFgame_360PS3PC_Devastatorbattle.jpg|thumb|300px|Don't think about how out of scale the limbs are and let the awesomeness of this picture sink in.]]
After the Autobots defeated Megatron and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], the Decepticons' ultimate weapon, Devastator, was unleashed upon [[Cairo]]. [[William Lennox|Major Lennox]]'s [[NEST]] forces as well as the local military were unable to hold back the titanic Decepticon, and were relegated to a supporting role once the Autobots arrived in the city. However, NEST helicopters provided invaluable assistance by laser-painting critical weapons subsystems for the Autobots to attack, such as his back-mounted missile launchers, his hip-mounted cannons and his arm-mounted guns, before they could attack his head-mounted armored node. Once the node was breached, Devastator collapsed in the streets of Cairo. {{Storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)}}

====PSP====
=====Autobot Campaign=====
After [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/games|Optimus prime]] combined with [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]]'s parts, NEST informed him of an "ECHO ROMEO" terrorizing Cairo. When Optimus approached the signal, he discovered it was Devastator, leading him to engaged the titan. After a long and tiresome battle, Optimus triumphed over the giant, leaving Devastator in scraps.

=====Decepticon Campaign=====
After the [[Axiom Gun]] was destroyed, [[Megatron (Movie)/games|Megatron]] stated that Devastator is uncovering the [[Star Harvester]].

{{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (PSP)}}
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===''Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots/Decepticons''===
In a variable universal stream, Devastator worked to uncover the Star Harvester for the Fallen in Cairo. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots/Decepticons|Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots/Decepticons}}
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===Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise===
[[File:Devastatorsdemise devastor.jpg|thumb|"Alright, Devastator, your next gig is a game called 'Devastator's Demise.'" "... Do I win?"]]
Devastator confronted Optimus Prime, [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and Bumblebee as they dodged around the pyramid and ruins. {{storylink|Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise}}
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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' (mobile game)===
[[File:ROTFMobile Devastator.jpg|thumb|Karl Heisenberg had to start somewhere before Resident Evil 8 was finished.]]
Traveling to [[Egypt]], Devastator got his hands on the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and defeated [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]]. While he was waiting for [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to arrive, [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] attacked him. Devastator attempted to bash Bumblebee with his claws, but the diminutive Autobot managed to destroy both his arms. Despite being without his arms, Devastator was not disarmed, and began firing beams of energy from his mouth. Bumblebee evaded them and shot Devastator in the head until the giant fell and he could get the Matrix back. Of course, then Megatron turned up and immediately retook the Matrix... {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Glu)}}
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===Transformers: Dark of the Moon Autobots/Decepticons===
Mixmaster had attempted to reactivate the rest of the Constructicons and Devastator, but was defeated by Ironhide. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons|Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons}}
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===''Transformers: The Ride – 3D''===
Devastator had assembled himself in the [[Chicago]] streets and was lumbering around when he activated his Vortex Grinder to draw in the fleeing [[Evac (Ride)|Evac]], but the force of his vortex sent the Autobot flying over his head and on the other side of him. He then activated his Vortex Grinder again to catch Evac but Evac escaped through a hole on some train tracks created by his attack while Ratchet and Ironhide fired on him. He soon came upon Evac again and succeeded in sucking the Autobot up but Evac survived his inner systems by activating his Battle shields and emerged in one piece. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ride – 3D}}
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==Toys==
===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
====Legends Class====
[[File:ROTF Devastator ezcollectiondx.jpg|300px|thumb|The one you will actually buy.]]
*'''Scavenger/Demolishor''' (EZ Collection DX/Legends Class, [[2009]])
*'''Hightower''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)
*'''Long Haul''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)
*'''Mixmaster''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)
*'''Rampage''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)
*'''Scrapper''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)
*'''Overload''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Legends Class multi-pack, 2009)
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''EZ Collection DX Devastator'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[Template:July|July]] 2009
{{toydesigner|[[Hironori Kobayashi]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Like the on-screen combiner, but unlike the Supreme Class Devastator toy, the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class Devastator comprises seven Constructicons, including the elusive [[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]], each with individual robot modes. Because of this, he is a lot more complex than the Supreme class toy, with a more "layered" look than his movie counterpart had. Devastator is (roughly) Deluxe sized while standing up. The only real drawback he has is that he almost has no articulation. But hey, you can't have everything, right?
[[File:TF-ROTF-EZ-Collection-Constructicons.jpg|left|thumb]]
:In [[Hasbro]]'s markets, this Devastator set was available as a [[Walmart]] [[exclusive]] in North America, an Argos exclusive in the UK and a Farmers exclusive in New Zealand, packaged in a currently-unique clear box in gestalt mode. A huge two-sided instruction sheet explains transformation in both directions from gestalt to vehicles and vehicles to robots, with the curious note that "Some poses may require hand support".

:In [[Japan]], the Constructicon team members were available individually. Unlike the usual EZ collection toys, the Constructicons are not blind packed but packed in much the same way as Hasbro's Legends class releases.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Decepticon/WMConstructiconDevastator/devastator.htm More information on Legends Constructicon Devastator at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Image-ROTF Devastator ezcollectiondxG1.jpg|300px|thumb|Bet yer ''green'' with envy.]]
*'''EZ Collection Devastator - G1 Colors Version''' (EZ Collection, [[2010]])
:Takara reissued the seven Legend class Constructicons in G1 inspired green and purple color schemes. He even comes packaged in the same clear box set the Hasbro version used.

:This configuration of Devastator includes [[Hook (ROTF)#Toys|Hook]] as the left arm and [[Bonecrusher (ROTF Constructicon)#Toys|Bonecrusher]] as the left leg.
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====Supreme Combiner Class====
[[File:ROTF Devastator combiner toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Actually movie accurate... [[Overload (ROTF)|NOT.]] (''Hasbro version pictured'')]]
[[File:TF-ROTF-Supreme-Class-Devastator-(Takara-Tomy).jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You've got red on you. (''TakaraTomy version pictured'')]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Supreme Combiner Class, 2009)
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''RD-16'''
**''Accessories'': Mixmaster's truck "nose", Scavenger's shovel-bucket
{{toydesigner|[[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Shogo Hasui]] (initial concept)}}

:''Revenge of the Fallen'' Supreme Class Devastator is formed from the combination of six transforming construction vehicle toys that do not have individual robot modes. Unlike [[Duocon|prior]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Energon|cases]] of this format, Devastator's vehicles represent separate Transformers, [[Scavenger (ROTF)|and]] [[Rampage (ROTF)|most]] [[Long Haul (ROTF)|of]] [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|them]] have other non-combiner toys that ''do'' have robot modes.

:Despite the figure's complex appearance (from the front anyway), the limbs' transformations into combined mode are rather simple. Fortunately, this makes him a lot easier to muck with than some of the other larger-scale ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toys. This is good, because Devastator is ENORMOUS. His smallest limbs (his legs) are the size of Deluxe-class toys, and his largest components are bigger than Leader-class toys. While the legs can not be swapped (unless for some reason you want a backwards walking Devastator), the arms can be swapped around. The pegs meant to plug Rampage and Long Haul into Devastator's hips also fit snugly into the sockets meant for connecting Scrapper and Hightower to Scavenger... if you're inclined to have a random arm connected to a stray leg with no body in between, or a vehicle mode about as useful as a poorly matched [[Micromaster Combiner]] pair.

:The toy's electronics are all in the Mixmaster component. Pressing the button makes Devastator's mouth open and activates voice clips and engine sounds, as well as green lights in his mouth and eyes. Pressing the button for a few seconds activates his "Vortex grinder". However, the button trigger is so sensitive that he ''never shuts up''. In Devastator mode, his mouth can be locked into the open position by clicking his lower jaw sections into the large tank treads that form his shoulders. His mouth is enormous, and it lights up all pretty and green. He can easily swallow any Legends Class toy and spit it out the other side by opening up the back of his head. Covering Devastator's head when separating him from the torso and turning him back into Mixmaster's vehicle mode activates the transformation noise, and after that somehow makes engine stalling noises without pulling the trigger.

:Right out of the packaging, Scavenger's bucket and Mixmaster's truck "nose" are detached and must be assembled, the former of the two requires a bit of force to get attached, but loosens up with time. Scrapper's rear guard-railing and Scavenger's side railing pieces are also removable and are likely to be missing when searching for a loose Devastator on the aftermarket.

:Sadly, Devastator has a hard time standing on all four of his limbs, and is most stable standing on his hind legs. This is mainly because the most weight is located in the head, and his fingers are not made to hold that weight. He will also look straight to the ground unless you lock his head in place with the lower jaw.

:The [[TakaraTomy]] release of this figure has extra paint applications on Devastator's face, for a better resemblance to the final CG model.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/Devastator/devastator.htm More information on Supreme Devastator at TFU.info]''
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====''Mega Power Bots''====
[[File:ROTF MegaPowerBots Devastator.jpg|300px|thumb|Not a Power Rangers Megazord.]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Mega Power Bot, 2009)
:''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Power Bots|Mega Power Bots]] Devastator is a simple toy for younger children, featuring plenty of playing sounds and flashing lights. His limbs have limited swivel articulation and do not detach into separate vehicles. He has a distinctly more humanoid stature than normal.

:Unlike regular [[Power Bots]], and unlike other portrayals of the character in general, Devastator features a transformation! It consists of putting his arms up and laying him flat on his stomach, which lets him roll around using the wheels on his limbs.

:Pressing down the Decepticon shield on his crotch (!) spins the vortex in his chest, lights up his eyes and makes him utter one of many Welker-recorded phrases, including [[The Transformers: The Movie|"Prepare for extermination!"]], "Crush Autobots!" and "I am Devastator!" Pressing on the crane of his excavator arm makes a cannon blast sound effect, while pressing the cab of his loader arm turns the scoop into claws.
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===''Transformers'' (2010)===
[[File:TF2010-toy_GreenDevastator.jpg|thumb|250px|I DARE you to spot any purple in this picture.]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Legends Class multi-pack, 2010)

:A [[Toys"R"Us]]-exclusive Generation 1-themed redeco of Legends Devastator and his components was released in the 2010 ''Transformers'' toyline. Unlike Takara's go at the same idea, this Devastator only uses purple for the Constructicons' windshields, and as a result is mostly lime green and gray. The seven individual Constructicons also have brown [[paint operation]]s on and around their wheels to simulate dirt.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Decepticon/TRUConstructiconDevastator/devastator.htm More information on "Toys'R'Us" Constructicon Devastator at TFU.info]''
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===''Movie Advanced Series''===
[[File:Lost Age AD-13 Devastator.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Sculpted robot testicles still not included. Thank Primus.]]
*'''Devastator''' (Gift set, [[May 17]], [[2014]])
**''ID number:'' '''AD13'''
:Released as part of Takara's ''[[Movie Advanced Series]]'' line, Devastator is a redeco of the ROTF Legends Devastator and his components in a deco that more closely resembles his on-screen portrayal.

:However, thanks to either mold degradation or just poor [[quality control]], some sets have had figures (most noticeably Scrapper) with weak ball joints, showing very visible stress marks specifically on the stems of the joints, which can break off easily with enough pressure, as well as some really loose joints and missing heads.
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===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-Studio-Series-Devastator.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Devastator, supreme at last!]]
*'''Constructicon Scrapmetal''' (Deluxe Class, [[2019]])
*'''Constructicon Hightower''' (Deluxe Class, 2019)
*'''Constructicon Skipjack''' (Voyager Class, 2020)
:*'''Constructicon Rampage''' (Voyager Class, 2019)
*'''Constructicon Long Haul''' (Voyager Class, 2019)
*'''Constructicon Mixmaster''' (Voyager Class, 2019)
*'''Constructicon Scavenger''' (Leader Class, 2019)
*'''Constructicon Scrapper''' (Voyager Class, [[2020]])
*'''Constructicon Overload''' (Leader Class, 2020)
{{toydesigner|[[Mike Booth]] (Hasbro), [[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Announced to commemorate the 10th anniversary of ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', the holy grail known as ''[[Studio Series]]'' Devastator consists of eight (yes, eight) Constructicons that combine into one mechanical giant. While meant to celebrate the film's tenth anniversary, some members were released in 2020.

:Despite the ''Studio Series'' line's focus on screen-accuracy, Devastator once again omits the yellow dump truck Constructicon. The second bulldozer who forms Devastator's left hand in the film is replaced entirely by an excavator, [[Scrapmetal (ROTF)|Scrapmetal]] (who died before Devastator was formed on-screen). One of the first releases in the set, [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], was later redecoed into [[Skipjack (ROTF)|Skipjack]] as an option for a more screen-accurate left leg. [[Hasbro]] would later reveal that Skipjack was always intended to be the definitive leg for the combiner and made Rampage an individual to recreate the iconic battle between him and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]].<ref>[https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/behindthedesign-transformers-devastator Behind the Design on Hasbro Pulse]</ref> Because Skipjack and Rampage share the same design this also gave fans the option to use Rampage in place of Skipjack if they so desired. The ''Studio Series'' packaging bios for both figures were written to reflect this.

:Due to the connectors used, it is possible to swap or double the components used as the arms, but not the feet. This means that you may form a less screen-accurate Devastator using seven or nine components instead of eight by duplicating or omitting [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]] or both [[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]] & Scrapmetal. [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] is the only component able to connect as a right foot, while Rampage and Skipjack are both left feet and cannot be used simultaneously.

:With compound hip and ankle joints and fixed-angle "knees", along with complex shoulder and bicep assemblies, this Devastator has far greater flexibility than any previous version, and as such can stand more erect than is typical for the character. This allows a pose similar to early [[:File:ROTF Devastator and components concept art.jpg|concept art]], and makes him easily the largest ''Studio Series'' figure to date.

:On the flip side, in his intended configuration, Devastator cannot stand on all fours for several reasons: his joints don't orient in the needed positions, his head is largely immobile, and the joints in his hands are not designed to support his weight. It is possible to get him on all fours, though you'll have to disconnect some components and really stretch the limits of his joints. Many fans have taken to creating unique [[Fan mode|fan-modes]] to give Devastator his screen-accurate quadrupedal stature.

:Where other Studio Series packages feature a red window with an Autobot logo, Devastator's components display [[:File:StudioSeries_Dev_Sym.jpg|an insignia of Devastator's face]]. Unusual for a ''Studio Series'' figure, Devastator—and many of his components—lacks a Decepticon insignia.

:While wrecking balls are not included, he does, however, have a 5 mm port placed on his rump meant to store the stands included with the Rampage/Skipjack mold. The shield from Scrapmetal can also be plugged into his left thigh to represent Skipjack's mass being integrated further up into the combiner's left thigh, making for more screen accuracy.

:''DO NOT'' remove either of the legs before separating the two pieces of his torso, as the whiplash caused by the separation can break Scavenger's shoulder joint, especially if Devastator's arms are still attached.

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[[File:TF-ROTF-Studio-Series-69-Devastator.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|The [[Heinrad (BW)|second Transformer to ever have testicles]], and they slap a 69 on the box. Classy.]]
*'''Devastator''' (Gift set, 2020)
**''Movie'': '''''Revenge of the Fallen'''''
**''ID number'': '''69'''
**''Accessories'': "[[Operation: Firestorm|Pyramid Desert Battle]]" backdrop (2nd version)

:This boxset was released as the 69th (yes, har har) ''Studio Series'' figure. It contains 8 of the ''Studio Series'' Constructicons seen in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film. In order to keep Devastator accurate to his on-screen appearance, [[Skipjack (ROTF)|Skipjack]] is included in the set, completely omitting [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], as he was busy [[Bumblebee (Movie)|elsewhere]].

:This set also includes several new deco additions including dirt and metallic scuff patterns on Long Haul, Skipjack, Scrapper, and Scrapmetal, as well as additional applications on Devastator's face.

:The gift set first saw release in Thailand without any announcement from Hasbro, with it later being officially revealed on the [[October 16]]th [[Hasbro Pulse#Fan First Friday|Fan First Friday]].

:There are a few silly mistakes in Devastator's stock photo. The neck armor piece that comes with Overload is pushed too far back, preventing it's ability to snap onto Mixmaster's mixing barrel properly. Scavenger's wheels that form Devastator's vortex grinder aren't tabbed together, and his shoulders are also rotated where his arms are prevented from tabbing into place. And of course, the most glaring of all, Overload's head is turned around, leaving it fully exposed.
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==Merchandise==
===Burger King===
[[File:ROTFMerchandise-BurgerKingDevastator.jpg|thumb|the toy to stand on all fours....]]
*'''Constructin' Devastator''' (2009)
:Burger King Devastator consists of five parts — a head and body, and simplified versions of the vehicle modes for Long Haul, Scrapper, Rampage and Hightower, which connect to the torso on [[ball joint]]s. The generic connectors mean that they can be attached in any configuration, however the intended layout is marked with letters from A to D. The ball joints are loose enough to allow limited articulation.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/BKDevastator/devastator.htm More information on Constructin' Devastator at TFU.info]''
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===''RPMs - Robot Powered Machines''===
====Track Set====
[[File:ROTF RPM Devastator Showdown Playset.jpg|150px|thumb|Rejected name: Escape The Teabag.]]
*'''Devastator Showdown''' (2009)
**'''Includes:''' [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] [[Robot Powered Machines|Mini-Vehicle]].
:The Devastator Showdown track set is a [[retool]] of the ''Indiana Jones'' race track. This playset is compatible with the other Hot Wheels-like miniature cars. It fires the car on a track to an area that (when a car goes over it) releases a "wrecking ball" and the Devastator head lights up and makes sounds. The wrecking ball will follow the car down the track until the tracks stop.

:Yes, that means he fires his testicles at you. Lovely.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/RPMDevastator/devastator.htm More information on Devastator Showdown Devastator at TFU.info]''
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===''Robot Heroes''===
*'''Desert Devastation''' (Multi-pack, 2009)
[[File:rotf_desertdevastation_rh.jpg|thumb|300px|D'awwwvstator.]]
:"Desert Devastation" Constructicon Devastator is a super-sized ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' figure, at least twice as big as other toys in the line. He is only available in a multi-pack with [[Skids (ROTF)#RHDevastation|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)#RHDevastation|Mudflap]] in their individual vehicle modes and [[William Lennox#Robot Heroes|Captain William Lennox]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/RHConstructiconDevastator/devastator.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Devastator at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
{{quote|[[Steven Spielberg|Spielberg]] saw [Devastator] and said, 'This is [expletive] awesome!' It's always nice when you can make him swear.|[[Michael Bay]]|"[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm First look: Robo-brawlers big, small in new 'Transformers']" in ''USA Today'' ([[April 3]], [[2009]])}}

[[File:ROTF Devastator and components concept art.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|"Six?! What happened to seven?!" "Just kidding."]]
[[File:Devastator-ROTFenemyscrotum.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|NSFW]]

* In ''[[Transformers Generations 2009 Volume 3|Transformers Generations 2009 Vol. 3]]'', a very early Devastator mock-up from [[TakaraTomy]] designer [[Shogo Hasui]] is pictured that places more emphasis on height than width (being rather creepily lanky) and includes among other things, a [[Blackout (Movie)|Sikorsky]] helicopter as a component. It was [[customizing|customized]] using various figures from other toylines, including some from Spawn and Kamen Rider.<ref name="Generations 3">TakaraTomy designer interview in ''[[Transformers Generations 2009 Volume 3]]''</ref>
* Massive Black's concept art is totally different from the film version: a red mining truck forms the torso, an excavator and timber harvester form the arms, and the legs are formed by a military plow and bulldozer. The resulting robot is human in posture.<ref>[http://www.kempart.com/CAPOST/CApost4rt/Devastator01.jpg]</ref>
* Devastator's final CGI head differs from that used for his promotional images, including more red panels and several pulleys and wires, four highly pronounced horns, and a trio of throat gears lit like a furnace instead of a single complex vortex machine lit green like his eyes. All of the toys and most of the video games released around the film depicted Devastator with a completely grey head, with later Takara releases of his Supreme and Legends class toys adding more screen-accurate red paint applications.
** Amusingly, the prototype image for the ''Studio Series'' figure, revealed in early 2019, presented the figure with a grey face and green lit mouth similar to the original promotional images for the movie, with the final figure using red paint applications for a screen-accurate face.
* In the film, none of Devastator's components are shown as individual Transformers. This might vaguely justify why the components of his Supreme class toy lack individual robot modes.
* Devastator's got a pair of [[Humanization#Nuts, bolts, and screws|brass balls]]. Exactly ''how'' is pretty questionable; even Hightower would only have one wrecking ball as a counterweight, meaning this was just a cheap, throw-away gag.
** When Hasbro was asked if there ever will be a Devastator toy with wrecking balls, they replied straight out "no".
** Ironically, the Devastator Showdown track set does, however, feature one wrecking ball that chases cars down the track. Hmmm.

* According to a [[catalog]] included with ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toys, the ONLY way for the Autobots to defeat Devastator is by combining Optimus Prime and Jetfire.
* Devastator was in an early draft of ''[[Transformers: The Reign of Starscream|The Reign of Starscream]]'', but was dropped at Hasbro's request.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/mowry-73165.html#vmessage167559 Mowry's profile at TFW2005.com]</ref>
* When Devastator punches the pyramid, his hand is traveling at 390 miles per hour.<ref name="Barbara"/>

===Size and composition===
[[File:Hightower-Scrapmetal-Continuity Error.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|The mysterious "tenth" Devastator component.]]
* Technically, Devastator stands at 100 feet tall, as illustrated in the film's official [[Scale charts#Revenge of the Fallen film|scale chart]]. However, he's so top-heavy that it is only possible for him to rise to 45 feet. This makes him about twice as tall Optimus Prime and on a roughly equal level to [[Grimlock (AOE)|Grimlock]], although he far surpasses either of them in bulk.
* In the film, there are ''nine'' vehicles that form Devastator! A [[Unknown Constructicon shovel|yellow bulldozer]] is seen unfolding and is then scooped up by Devastator's left arm, which has been formed by [[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]. Another [[Unknown Constructicon dump truck|yellow dump truck]] lines up next to Skipjack and presumably helps him form the leg. This means two things: It explains why Devastator's left arm has scoops on it while Hightower's vehicle mode has no such equipment, and also why none of the Devastator toys are movie-accurate.
** However, a ''tenth'' vehicle is also present during the combination sequence just behind Hightower for a brief moment, this being a Volvo excavator with a Decepticon [[insignia]] (the same vehicle prop used for [[Scrapmetal (ROTF)|Scrapmetal]] in the early barge scene). Does this mean Scrapmetal is a part of Devastator or is this just a continuity error? Who knows.
** Devastator also has what appears to be two smaller excavator shovels that fold out of his mouth as he expands it to use his Vortex Grinder. At this point it feels as if the animators were just throwing in random construction equipment components all over the show to exaggerate his size, despite there only being between a debatable nine or ten vehicles visible pre-transformation.
* In the [[Hasbro Q&A/December 2009: Answers|December 2009 Q&A]] Hasbro stated that there are only ''seven'' Constructicons that form Devastator. [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] explained that Devastator can be formed by any number from ''six'' to ''nine''.<ref>"[[Transformers Comic issue 2.13#Law and Disorder|Law and Disorder]]"</ref>
* [[Vector Sigma]]'s online [[Datatrax|Data Tracks]], however, revealed that Devastator's composition is not set. Devastator is simply bigger the more Constructicons that unite.<ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/cybertronian-database.cfm#/glossary/constructicon Vector Sigma's online glossary]</ref> This could also mean that he could be bipedal (like his concept art and toys) if his weight is more evenly distributed.
* Given that the film establishes multiple sets of Constructicons, it seems entirely possible that more than one "Devastator" could be formed.
* Devastator is made up of 52,632 geometric pieces and 11,716,127 polygons. The total length of all the pieces is 13.84 miles.<ref name="Barbara">Robertson, Barbara (2009). Weighty Matters. Computer Graphics World, 32(7), 20-29</ref>
* Devastator is made up of 6467 total textures, taking up 32 gigabytes of computer space.<ref name="Barbara"/>
* According to [[Shawn Kelly]], the [[Industrial Light & Magic|ILM]] lead animator for ''Revenge of the Fallen'', Devastator caused a computer to catch fire spontaneously and its insides to melt.<ref>''[[Nickelodeon]] Magazine'', issue 153, published June 2009</ref> One assumes he was exaggerating for the purposes of publicity, as it is improbable for modern computers to actually catch fire under operations for which they are designed, such as rendering an extremely complex model. The special features on the DVD do (indirectly) show one of the computers blowing, with lots of black smoke and the poor animator (and his keyboard) covered in soot. (This was all done as a prank, leading to said animator asking "What the hell, man?") Not quite melting, but still.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Devastator''' (デバステーター ''Debasutētā'')

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Age of Extinction Decepticons]]
[[Category:Combined forms]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Constructicons]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
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Junkion (species)

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[[File:Junkion symbol.png|thumb|upright=1.4|R-E-C-Y-C-L-E recycle!]]

'''Junkions''' are a race of transforming mechanoids that inhabit the planetoid also known as [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]. Depending on the universe, their historical origin may be unclear, but in some they are indeed descended from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronians]].<ref>''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]''</ref>

They have a unique physiology, seemingly made of little more than the same rusted scraps of trash metal that compose their homeworld. They are capable of not only withstanding damage that would normally incapacitate or kill the average Transformer, but quickly repairing that damage using any pieces of scrap metal they can get their hands on. A Junkion may even be reduced to a pile of parts, only to come back at their enemy less than a minute later. Junkions in battle are utterly fearless, using tag-team and ambush tactics to keep mobile while swarming their opponents ''en masse''.

They are also expert mechanics, even able to repair with remarkable ease Transformers normal medical science would write off as [[Death|dead]]. ''How'' the Junkions have developed in this manner has yet to be explained.

Junkion culture is centered on one thing: [[Earth]] broadcasting. Their speech is a hodgepodge of television and radio clippings, making them oftentimes hard to understand. Junkions as a whole are somewhat childlike and naive. They are curious, but also tend to be wary of, if not outright hostile towards, newcomers to their planet (far too many have come with the goal of harming their world), but once a Junkion's friendship is gained, they go "coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs" and treat their allies as Friends For Life. As such, they are instinctively protective of [[human]]s, the source of [[television]].

After having come in contact with the [[Autobot]]s, the Junkions have become known as some of the best scrap metal merchants and traders around. Even [[Octane|some]] [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Decepticons]] make use of their services. The Junkions are all too happy to exchange [[energon]] for more scrap metal... even if they don't think to ask just ''where'' the scrap metal came from.

{{quote|Junkions don't need help, Junkions ''are'' help! Spare parts? We'll fix 'em!|[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]]|''[[Transformers: Exiles|Exiles]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:TFTM Junkions.JPG|upright=2|thumb|Punker Bots!]]

{{voiceactor|[[Frank Welker]], [[Michael Bell]], various other actors speaking as a crowd (English), [[Keiichi Nanba]] (Japanese)|[[Newton Apollo]] (Portuguese, "The Movie" VHS dub)}}

When a group of [[Autobot]]s crashlanded on their planet, the Junkions saw them as nothing but intruding thieves. Without warning, [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] and his Junkions led an assault on them, but they soon halted when another group of Autobots arrived and proved their friendliness with the [[universal greeting]]. Pacified, the Junkions revived the late [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and promptly organized a dance party for everyone.

When [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] voiced his desire to destroy [[Unicron]], the Junkions did not hesitate to join him, and a large number of them boarded the [[Minnow]] with which to attack the dark god. The Minnow was crushed in Unicron's hand in the following battle, but luckily the passengers survived (at the very least, Wreck-Gar and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] did). {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
{{note|The Junkions’ involvement in these events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the comic mini-series "[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]" and the storybook "[[Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)|Transformers the Movie]]."}}

[[File:FFoD4 Junkion Rescuers.jpg|thumb|left|200px|A species that does nothing but spout pop-culture references. That proves it: this cartoon predicted the shape of internet culture.]]

Two Junkions came with Wreck-Gar when he travelled to planet [[Goo 8739-B]] to save his Autobot friends. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} The exiled Decepticon [[Octane]] later worked with Junkions to freight scrapmetal between their planet to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}} The defensive Junkions later chased off a number of [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] that had landed on their planet in search of a [[Quintesson]] [[Quintesson Journal|journal]]. In response, the Quintessons hijacked the Junkions' precious television signals, planting subliminal messages that caused the Junkions to consider all other races to be their enemies. Even worse, the Junkions got the bright idea to ''share'' these transmissions, beaming them out in the galaxy and causing sentient races everywhere to fight each other. The brainwashed Junkions were eventually fixed when [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] countered the transmissions with some of his own. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (episode)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}}

====Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity====
=====''Generations Selects Special Comic''=====
Among other robotic races, the Junkions were created by [[Primacron]]. He used the lifeforce of the [[Precursor World|previous universe]] via the [[Primus#Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Oracle]] to grant them life. {{storylink|Generations Selects Special Comic Finale Part 2|Finale Part 2}}

=====''Victory'' cartoon=====
A few Junkions were residing in [[Iron Town]], where they were menaced by the [[Decepticon desperadoes]]. Fortunately, [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] saved the town. {{storylink|The Brave Hero of the Universe - Star Saber}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
When [[Gong (GoBots)|Gong]] and [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] destabilized the universe on the eve of the [[Unicron War]], the Junkions and their role in the conflict were overwritten and replaced by the [[Rock Lord]]s. [[Vector Prime]] ultimately corrected the multiversal damage and set history back on its correct course, and the Junkions helped defeat Unicron. {{storylink|Echoes and Fragments}}

===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
====The Big Broadcast of 2006====
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In a strange alternate future, the defensive Junkions chased off a number of [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] that had landed on their planet in search of a [[Quintesson]] [[Quintesson Journal|journal]]. In response, the Quintessons hijacked the Junkions' precious television signals, planting subliminal messages that caused the Junkions to consider all other races to be their enemies and meticulously organize the junk on their planet in hopes the lost journal would be discovered. The Junkions got the bright idea to ''share'' these transmissions, beaming them out in the galaxy and causing sentient races everywhere to fight each other. The brainwashed Junkions were eventually fixed when [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] countered the transmissions with soothing easy-listening music. Once the hypnosis was broken, the Junkions sided with the Autobots in driving off the attacking Decepticons. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (US)}}

====Marvel UK future timelines====
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''Following the destruction of Unicron, his still living head floated into range of the planet Junk, and using his vast mental powers he took control of the entire Junkion population. Planning to use Junk as his new body, Unicron ordered the Junkions to attach his head to the planet. His plot failed when Wreck-Gar, who had been off in space at the time Unicron took control, planted explosives beneath his head and blew him up.'' {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}}

===''Transformers Legends'' anthology===
The Junkions did not take kindly to the [[Recyclon]]s intending to recycle their planet into energon. After [[Salvage (G1)|Salvage]] damaged Wreck-Gar, the Junkions swarmed the intruders and forced them to retreat into space. Down but not out, the Recyclons decided to fire the [[Prime Processing Unit]] to recycle the entire planet from orbit, but the Junkions fired a tractor beam in return, sending [[Reclamation|their ship]] crashing violently into Junk. Salvage was the sole survivor of the crash, his last sight alive being a group of Junkions moving in on him. {{storylink|Collect and Save}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:MTMTE 8 anonymous Junkion.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|left|"We are the Transformers who say "NI!"]]
{{quote|You're not an Autobot or Decepticon, yet I smell the stench of ''both'' breeds emanating from you.|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]|"[[Runnin' with the Devil]]"}}
The planet Junkion began as a [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] garbage disposal area in space where junk was dumped by means of [[space bridge]] technology. From whatever reason more Cybertronians, [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s alike, were dumped through the space bridge, {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|''More Than Meets The Eye'' space bridge entry}} with the Junkions eventually emerging as a new breed of Transformer. {{storylink|Runnin' with the Devil}} Though not hostile by nature, the fact their home planet was paradise to numerous treasure hunters and thrill seekers that couldn't care less how the Junkions would suffer from their presence, the Junkions had adopted a mildly xenophobic disposition. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|''More Than Meets The Eye'' Junk entry}}

[[Dreamwave timeline|Sometime in 2003]], Junkion leader [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] was flying the [[Minnow|Junkions' main ship]] alone through space when he stumbled upon the remains of [[Decepticon leader]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}} He brought him on board and repaired him, though Megatron was not the least bit grateful. First, he harshly demanded to know what Wreck-Gar was and when that was answered, Megatron proceeded to manipulate Wreck-Gar into getting him a start back to power. The two returned to Junkion, where Wreck-Gar collected discarded [[Air Warrior]] bodies and repaired them, believing Megatron needed an army to vanquish evil from the [[Universe (universe)|universe]]. When he was done, Megatron killed (?) him, because Wreck-Gar was too unpredictable an ally. {{storylink|Runnin' with the Devil}}

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===2005 IDW continuity===
[[File:ALonelyPillarOnThePlain-WreckGarsHead.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5]]

According to the historian [[Pentius]], the Junkions were the remains of a rich and prosperous race who had arrogantly believed their resources would last them forever. When their veritable paradise of a planet finally ran out of [[energon]], these early Junkions were forced to sell off their wealth to other races in a desperate attempt at survival, but it was a futile struggle. As their civilization slowly fell into ruins and their planet was reduced to a hellish junkyard, the survivors deteriorated into a race of scavengers and cannibals living among the garbage. {{storylink|Fallout (issue)|Fallout}}

The Junkions became a kind of bogeyman to Cybertronians, who believed them to be monstrous scrap-eating zombies from the mythical death-world of Junkion. When [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] was banished to Junkion by [[Scorponok (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Scorponok]], however, he found that the threat was very real. {{storylink|Derelicts}} He viciously destroyed the group of cannibalistic Junkions who attacked him, suffering some damage in the process. {{storylink|Wreckage (issue)|Wreckage}} Tales of Megatron's power spread throughout the Junkion clans, and when the Decepticon leader later returned and demanded their loyalty, they were quick to bow before him. Joining forces with the Decepticons, the Junkions provided them with a ship with which to return to Cybertron. {{storylink|Primacy issue 2|Primacy #2}} On arrival in [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], the Junkions participated in the Decepticon assault on the city, swarming over and outnumbering the Autobot defenders. {{storylink|Primacy issue 3|Primacy #3}}

Soon after, Shockwave led a Decepticon force to the Junkions in the hope of recruiting them and Prowl led the Autobots to stop it. The [[Battle of Junkion]] ended with one of them ''detonating'' the planet's core so it would knock out the others. In the aftermath, the Junkions were left nomadic, a bit weird, and developing strange new ways of keeping themselves pieced together. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 2: A Lonely Pillar on the Plain|A Lonely Pillar on the Plain}}

Some four million years later, [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] recruited several Junkions into the army he was raising to oppose [[D-Void]]. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 3|Heart of Darkness #3}} Some other Junkions were among the [[NAIL|neutral Transformers]] who returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] after the war was over. {{storylink|A Better Tomorrow}} One of them watched a live interview with [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|The End of the Beginning of the World}}

In 2017, a crew of Junkions under Wreck-Gar and [[Rum-Maj]] arrived on [[Earth]] to trade technology for [[Ore-13|Ultra-Energon]]. They were bemused to find Optimus Prime on Earth claiming he spoke for it and such trade couldn't be allowed ''and'' [[G.I. Joe (team)|the natives]] hostile to them and Prime both. A formal meeting was held at [[Metrotitan (G1)|Autobot City]] and the Junkions offered a [[positron core]] as something to trade, allowing the Autobots to repair innumerous wounded people. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 2: A Lonely Pillar on the Plain|A Lonely Pillar on the Plain}}

Suspicious of the Junkions, the Autobots had [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] infiltrate [[Quintesson Cruiser|their ship]], {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|Behind My Bleeding Back}} only for him to be subdued by the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]]. In retaliation for this, Rum-Maj launched the Junkion invasion of Earth. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 4: Dance Among the Shadows|Dance Among the Shadows}} After the positron core had been destroyed however, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] managed to bargain for peace with the Junkions and established the city of [[Little Cybertron]] for them to live in peace. {{storylink|New Cybertron End: Feel Safe Without Regrets|Feel Safe Without Regrets}}

Some Junkions later got jobs at an Ore-13 mine in Kentucky where one of the workers expressed surprise at how much the humans were being paid while Rum-Maj dismayed that they were now at the mercy of the Autobots and humans. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}}

When [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] began its apocalyptic attack on the [[Cybertronian colonies]], Rum-Maj found recent events to be creating very disturbing historical parallels and rallied the Sharkticons to make another attempt at conquering Earth. When the army arrived at [[Mount Rushmore]] however, [[Jazz (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Jazz]] managed to have everyone stand down before Unicron then appeared over Earth. {{storylink|Time Will Rust}} In the battle against the Chaos Bringer, the Junkions defended the [[White House]], unleashing the Sharkticons on the [[Maximal]]s who'd survived [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s [[Worldsweeper]] crashing into the building. {{storylink|Ceremony}}

In the new era, the Junkions returned to Little Cybertron, Wreck-Gar and Rum-Maj watching the Sharkticons dig graves for all those that had fallen. {{storylink|Post}}

===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] opined that [[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]] was "buggier than a Junkion's code-base". {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The AllSpark Almanac}}

===Aligned novels===
Early on in the [[space bridge]] colonization project, Cybertronian colonists used the world of Junkion as a collective dumping ground for the vast amounts of refuse that inevitably resulted from the push outwards. This same planetoid was later used as a hideout for Cybertronian criminals, pirates, and outlaws. Many of them created new identities for themselves and began new lives working on the planet. The space bridge project eventually failed, leaving Junkion isolated from the rest of the universe. With no new resources available, the inhabitants turned to scavenging to survive. As they created new bots from the junk around them, the few former Cybertronians gradually forgot about their origins and took on the name "Junkions". At the time of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]]'s search for the [[AllSpark]], their leader was the eccentric [[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]].

The Junkions were initially skeptical of Optimus Prime's quest, but eventually aided him and his [[Autobot]]s by directing them to the nearest working space bridge. However, the [[Decepticon]]s, who had been following the ''[[Ark (WFC)|Ark]]'', landed on the planet and launched an attack on both the Autobots and Junkions. During the course of the battle, the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]], the center of Junkion, was removed, causing the planet to break apart. The fracas was further compounded by the arrival of the [[Star Seeker]]s, who took the Junkions hostage and, despite Wreck-Gar's protests, forced them to weld a space bridge to the hull of the ''[[Tidal Wave (Prime)|Tidal Wave]]''. The Star Seekers and Junkions disappeared to places unknown. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

The [[Trypticon (WFC)|''Nemesis'']] eventually crossed paths with the Star Seekers who'd forced Wreck-Gar to emit a phoney Autobot distress call. Though the Star Seekers tried to destroy the ''Nemesis'', it proved a superior warship to the ''Tidal Wave'', in spite of the Requiem Blaster which it was eventually forced to eject. As the wounded pirate ship retreated, Wreck-Gar used the chaos to space bridge away. {{storylink|Transformers: Retribution|Retribution}}

===''Shattered Glass''===
[[File:ScrapIronSG-filecardart.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|"You belong to us. You shall be like us."]]
The Junkions were the minions of [[Wreck-Gar (SG)|Wreck-Gar]], an experimental junk robot with the ability to remake other Transformers in his image using snake-like creatures. They spoke in the manner of computer error messages. After the spread of the Junkion "Hive" proved a threat to both factions, they were locked away on the prison planet [[Paradron]].

Eventually, they were freed by the Autobot renegade [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], who recruited them as footsoldiers for his incursion into the dimension [[Primax 207.0 Epsilon]]. There, they fought both Decepticons native from their own Universe, and local Autobots. {{storylink|Distant Fissures}} Numerous Autobots from that universe were assimilated into the Hive, and as Magnus's plan came to fruition, transporting the alternate Earth back to their own, negative-polarity universe and destroying 207.0 Epsilon in its wake, the Junkions retreated from battle. {{Storylink|Invasion (issue)|Invasion}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
When [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] became stranded on the planet Junk, he was forced to fight off Wreck-Gar and the hordes of cannibalistic Junkions until he could be rescued by [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. {{storylink|Wreckage (Legends)|Wreckage}}

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1-toy WreckGar.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Not sold in stores...anymore."]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Hero, 1986)
**''Takara ID number'': '''C-81'''
**''Accessories'': "Decelerator laser" gun, "Armor Axe", tire/shield

: The only Junkion toy originally produced was the group's leader, [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Toys|Wreck-Gar]], sold as part of the two-bot "Heroes" assortment in the third year of the Hasbro line. This toy is noteworthy for being one of the earliest uses of ball-and-socket joints in the entire franchise. Unfortunately, he completely lacks his cartoon model's sweet facial "hair". Also unfortunately, a robot-mode Wreck-Gar toy cannot properly ride a motorcycle-mode Wreck-Gar, unlike the action depicted in the movie. Sigh.
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===''Collector's Edition''===
[[File:G1-toy Detritus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Detritus''' (Junkion, 2004)
**''ID number'': '''77'''
**''Accessories'': Rifle, 12.7mm machinegun, missile launcher, 3 missiles, spare tire, spare tank

: [[Detritus (G1)#Toys|Detritus]] is an [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive redeco of [[Hound (G1)/toys#The Transformers|the original Hound toy]], transforming into a Mitsubishi J59 off-road vehicle. He came with an entirely new [[sticker|decal]] sheet to make him fit the Junkion aesthetic better, which also includes both Autobot and Decepticon faction sigils to match his neutral nature from his e-HOBBY bio.
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===''Transformers'' (2010)===
[[File:TF2010-toy WreckGar.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|This is the breakfast your Wreck-Gar could look like, can you see me now?]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories'': "4-bladed battle axe"/tailpipe

:Part of the sixth and final wave of Hasbro's [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]] under the "[[Transformers (2010 toyline)#Hasbro Reveal the Shield subline|Reveal the Shield]]" branding, this version of [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Wreck-Gar]] transforms into a junker off-road motorcycle. Double pegs under his pelvis correspond to double pegholes in his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] seat, meaning if you get more than one, he can totally ride himself, or anyone else made from this mold. Finally!

:Unfortunately, despite looking awesome, Wreck-Gar has a distressingly fiddly transformation and a slew of [[design flaw]]s. While the full details can be found on his page, even Hasbro has implemented some of the fixes found by fans for future uses of his mold.
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===''United''===
[[File:Unitedtoy-Scrapheap.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"I'm cuckoo for Cocoa Junk!"]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Deluxe, 2011)
**''ID number'': UN-18
**''Accessories'': "Battle axe"/tailpipe

: Part of the third wave of TakaraTomy's ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' line, [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#United|Wreck-Gar]] is a redeco of the Hasbro "Reveal the Shield" Wreck-Gar toy, this time extensively painted with a more original-cartoon-inspired deco. Like most toys in the line, some of his parts are painted with a metallic sheen; in Wreck-Gar's case, it's his red chest and legs.

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*'''Autobot SET''' (3-pack, 2011)
**'''Scrapheap'''

: This e-Hobby exclusive three-pack includes [[Scrapheap (G1)#Toys|Scrapheap]], a retool of the "Reveal the Shield"/''United'' Wreck-Gar with a new head inspired by the background Junkions from the movie.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/more-information-on-the-ehobby-transformers-2010-campaign-exclusives-170961/ More Information on the eHobby Transformers 2010 Campaign Exclusives]</ref>

: This pack also comes with a [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#United|clear-blue Hot Rod]] and a [[Kup (G1)/toys#UnitedDamage|battle-damaged Kup]].

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[[File:UEX-toy Roadmaster.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Roadmaster Prime Mode''' ([[2012]]-[[October 27|10-27]])
**''ID number'': '''EX 03'''
**''Accessories'': Junker Drone, Trasher Drone, Waster Drone, Scrapper Drone

: Part of the second wave of ''United EX'' toys, "[[Detritus (G1)#United EX|Roadmaster]]" (the new code name for Detritus) is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' [[Mudslinger (PCC)#Toys|Mudslinger]] toy, transforming into a monster truck of indeterminate model. He also has a "Prime Mode" where he becomes the torso of a super robot, capable of using any auto-transforming Power Core Combiner drone-machine molds for limbs.

: He comes with four color-coordinated "wasteland" vehicle drone-limbs, redecoes of the [[Destructicon (PCC)|Destructicon]]s. Each one has a square socket for a Power Core Combiner connection; when attached via the blue plugs on a Commander figure, the vehicles automatically transform into a super-robot limb, and snaps back to [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] when disconnected. Despite the universal connector, each drone can only form one limb type (but can be swapped from left to right):

:*'''Junker Drone''' — Leg (Roadmaster's left)
:*'''Trasher Drone''' — Leg (Roadmaster's right)
:*'''Waster Drone''' — Arm (Roadmaster's left)
:*'''Scrapper Drone''' — Arm (Roadmaster's right)
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Gen-toy Junkheap.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"I'm a Pepper. Do you want to be a Pepper, too?"]]
*'''Junkheap''' (Deluxe Class, 2011)
**''Accessories'': Tailpipe/axe

: Part of the ninth and final wave of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Deluxes in 2011, [[Junkyard (G1)#Toys|Junkheap]] is a retool of "Reveal the Shield" Wreck-Gar with a ''different'' new head. This is also the first use of the mold that features many attempts to improve upon the [[design flaw]]s found in previous iterations.
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===''Timelines''===
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*'''Wreck-Gar / Scrap Iron / Junkheap''' (Convention multipack, 2012)

: Available at [[BotCon 2012]] in an at-convention-only three, pack, ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Wreck-Gar (SG)#Toys|Wreck-Gar]], [[Scrap Iron (SG)#Toys|Scrap Iron]] and [[Junkheap (SG)#Toys|Junkheap]] are redecoes of the "Reveal the Shield" Junkion mold, this time in [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] colors to reflect the twisted nature of the universe.

: This is also the first release of a Junkheap using the right eye insert, as the original Junkheap used Scrapheap's eyepiece instead of his own.
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===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:CW-toy WreckGar.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Legends Class, 2016)

:The only new item in the sixth and final wave of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]] [[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Legends-class toys, Wreck-Gar is a [[retool]]ing of [[Groove (G1)#Generations|Groove]], sporting a brand new noggin. He transforms into a motorcycle of made-up model.

: He can also convert into chest armor for [[Defensor (G1)#Generations|Defensor]] and other iterations of the ''Combiner Wars'' [[Hot Spot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Hot Spot]] mold.
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===''Platinum Edition''===
[[File:Gen-toy Scrapheap Platinum.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Planet of Junk Clash''' (Platinum Edition Deluxe 3-pack, 2016)

:Part of Hasbro's ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' offerings for 2016 intended to commemorate the 30th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', this three-pack includes new-deco versions of the "Reveal the Shield" mold [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Platinum Edition|Wreck-Gar]] and [[Scrapheap (G1)#Generations|Scrapheap]], as well as a new-deco version of [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Platinum Edition|Autobot Hot Rod]]. Wreck-Gar and Scrapheap have near-identical decoes, with their yellow and bronze paints vice-versa-ing between the two.

: This set was intended as a [[Target]] exclusive in the US, but was effectively an online-only item.
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===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:POTP-toy WreckGar.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Deluxe Class, 2018)
**''TakaraTomy ID number:'' '''PP-41'''
**''Accessories'': Axe/tailpipe, Prime Armor/combiner hand, Prime Master gap filler/gun

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Power of the Primes|Wreck-Gar]] is a retool of ''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' [[Groove (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Groove]], transforming into a motorcycle of indeterminate model. Wreck-Gar can also change into a limb for any ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]''-style combiner.

:He was first discovered in a listing in [[Walgreens]]' internal systems during the course of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' as a Walgreens exclusive. Wreck-Gar was exclusive to Walgreens in the U.S. but found at EB Games in Canada and general retail in Hasbro's Asian markets.
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===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-Studio-Series-86-09-Voyager-Wreck-Gar.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I have a dream. I believe, one day, that everyone, everywhere.... will know the wonders of my nipples!]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Voyager Class, [[2021]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''86-09'''
**''Accessories'': 2 wheel shields, four-bladed axe, "[[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] Dance Party" backdrop

:Released to commemorate the 35th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', ''[[Studio Series]]'' Wreck-Gar is a Voyager Class-sized mold accurate to his appearance in the Generation 1 cartoon, right down to his laser nipples.

:He comes with his two spiky shields, which can attach to his arm or leg in robot mode or form his wheels when converting to his motorcycle mode. Wreck-Gar also comes with his four-bladed axe, which can either be stored on his back or held in his hand. Much like the [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers (2010)|2010 ''Reveal the Shield'']] release, one figure of Wreck-Gar can ride another in their alternate mode.

:Like the other ''Studio Series'' toys, the interior of the package forms a display background for the toy. In this case, is it a dance party taking place on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]].
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[[File:TF-Studio-Series-86-14-Deluxe-Junkyard.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|With arm pieces acquired directly from his namesake!]]
*'''Junkheap''' (Voyager Class, [[2022]])
**''Movie'': '''''The Transformers: The Movie'''''
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''86-14'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-88'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[August 27]], [[2022]]
**''Accessories'': Front wheel shield (wide), back wheel shield (thin), four-bladed axe, "[[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] Dance Party" backdrop

: Released to commemorate the 35th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', ''[[Studio Series]]'' "Junkheap" is a heavy retool of Voyager Class [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Studio Series|Wreck-Gar]], replacing the head, upper chest, and lower arms from the original release. Sadly, no nipples. It's worth mentioning that the retooled arm piece (included to compromise between animation models) adds a rotatable wheel guard piece, thus giving Junkheap's bike mode a more complete-looking footrest than Wreck-Gar's.

: Junkheap comes with the same two spiky shields as Wreck-Gar, which can attach to ports on his forearms or the sides of his knees in robot mode or form his wheels when in motorcycle mode. Junkheap also comes with Wreck-Gar's four-bladed axe, which can either be stored on his back or held in his hand. Much like the above ''Generations'' release, one Junkheap can ride another Junkheap/Wreck-Gar's alternate mode, although the riding figure is somewhat out of scale compared to the motorcycle-mode figure, which is more [[:File:TF-Studio-Series-86-Hot-Rod-riding-Wreck-Gar.jpg|suited towards Deluxe-scale figures]] such as [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Studio Series|''Studio Series'' Hot Rod]]. While his wheels are capable of spinning, the studs on them mean that they are more likely to scrape if pushed along a hard surface so care should be taken to avoid scratching the figure.

: Junkheap's arm shields are based on the unfinalized model drawn by [[Floro Dery]], which appeared in season 3 of the Generation 1 cartoon. The rest of him appears to be a mix between the finalized [[Toei Animation|Toei]] model and the unfinalized Dery model.

: Unfortunately, due to trademark reasons, the character has again been released as "Junkheap".

: Like all other ''Studio Series'' toys, the interior of the package forms a display backdrop.
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===''Legacy''===
{{anchor|Legacy}}
[[File:TF Legacy Deluxe Class Scraphook.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Scraphook''' (Deluxe Class, [[2023]])
**''Accessories'': Towline, tow hook, 2 spoilers, wheel shield, 2 blasters

:Part of the first wave of Deluxes in ''[[Transformers: Legacy#Evolution .282023.29|Legacy: Evolution]]'', Scraphook transforms into a spiky tow truck. His [[Evo-Fusion]] function is analogous to the Weaponizer gimmick from the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' toylines; his body splits apart to form armor and weapon enhancements for his allies.

:Scraphook comes with a whopping seven different accessories, which can all be integrated into his truck mode.
{{comingsoontoy}}
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==Notes==
[[File:Dreadnokcyborgs2.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Spiked tires make for a very un-smooth ride.]]
*According to a [[Secret Files of Teletraan II|secret file on Autobots]], the Junkions are a "tribe of Autobots that dwells on the planet Junkion", ostensibly cementing their place as Transformers.
*In ''[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #3]]'', the [[Dreadnok]]s, a [[Cobra]] biker gang, are shown to ride motorcycles that look just like the Junkions. The Dreadnoks claim to have found their new bikes in a junkyard at some point. No indication is given that the bikes are living Transformers, leaving it simply an [[Easter egg]] for the reader.
*The Junkions that appeared in the movie and their ship were given names in the ''[[Transformers: The Complete Ark]]'' book, which was released 23 years after the movie.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Junkion''' (ジャンキオン ''Jankion'')
*''French:'' '''Clocharion''' (France, from "Clochard", "Tramp")
*''Russian:'' '''Musorshchiki''' (Мусорщики, "Scavengers")
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==References==
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[[Category:Animated species]]
[[Category:Autobot subgroups]]
[[Category:Generation 1 factions]]
[[Category:Generation 1 species]]
[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon species]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) species]]
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[[Category:Marvel Generation 1 species]]
[[Category:Medics]]
[[Category:Prime subgroups]]
[[Category:Victory]]
[[Category:United]]
[[Category:United EX]]

Talk:Predacus

2022-10-01T08:16:43Z

ChristalIsMe: /* Merge? */ new section

== Merge? ==

Uh, I was thinking this guy could probably be merged with [[Tripredacus]], as it's basically the same thing. If you say it had extra components, so does the CW version of Magnaboss, and we keep him in BW Magnaboss' page. There might be a very good reason to keep separate that I am unaware of, but since this guy has most of the save components, A very similar name (only took out the "TRI" part because there's five guys not), and barely any fiction, none of which has him coexist with a three component Tripredacus, a definitely think you could merge them. [[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 04:16, 1 October 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Legacy

2022-09-19T15:52:38Z

ChristalIsMe:

Shouldn't kingdom Blaster be under wave 1 voyager class? [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 12:08, 7 December 2021 (EST)
:No, because he's getting a release in Kingdom, so he goes there. If/when a Blaster Legacy repack is announced, THEN it will be placed in the appropriate Legacy wave. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 21:43, 11 December 2021 (EST)

== name ==

Why isn't this '''''Transformers: Legacy''''', like most other franchises? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 22:51, 13 January 2022 (EST)

Is there some other Transformers: Legacy that this needs to be disambiguated with? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:40, 25 January 2022 (EST)
:We already have the tag to this [[Legacy (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:26, 25 January 2022 (EST)
::"Transformers: Legacy" is not the same thing as "Legacy". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:40, 25 January 2022 (EST)
:::See this for a similar disambig: [[Energon (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:45, 25 January 2022 (EST)
::::Okay, clearly you're not understanding. I'm talking about the "(toyline)" in the ''title'' of the article. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:47, 25 January 2022 (EST)
:::::I assume the disambig tag was included by instinct in anticipation of tie-in media which has not yet been proven to exist. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:53, 25 January 2022 (EST)
::::::Yeah it probably shouldn't have had the "toyline" in the title until other Legacy media was revealed. Has there been any rumors of any? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 22:24, 26 January 2022 (EST)

== G2 Universe Jhiaxus insignia ==

Currently, G2 Universe Jhiaxus is listed here as a G2 Decepticon, but would it not make more sense that the non-purple insignia on his chest is supposed to represent the Cybertronian Empire and not the G2 Decepticons? --[[User:Dinobot Scorn|Dinobot Scorn]] ([[User talk:Dinobot Scorn|talk]]) 19:05, 15 April 2022 (EDT)
: I'd agree, but it doesn't really matter.[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:52, 19 September 2022 (EDT)

== Velocitron Speedia line ==

Hey, so I've seen both info and pictures from various sources (most notably tfw2005) regarding a subline for legacy called the Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection. It has (so far) Voyager Class Cybertron Override (new mold) and Voyager Class Road Hauler (redeco and new head retool of ER Grapple). There's a full review for the former, as well as inbox images of both. Are we going to add this or are we waiting for something?[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 16:53, 6 June 2022 (EDT)
:We only cover materials that have been officially revealed - not leaked or stolen. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:03, 6 June 2022 (EDT)
::Got it!--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 18:28, 6 June 2022 (EDT)

Blast Master

2022-09-13T16:04:16Z

ChristalIsMe: Wow, sounds like a lot of differences, to me at least. IDK.

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig3.5|the character|the unrelated cartoon episode|Master Blaster|Payload}}
:''Blast Master is an [[Autobot]] [[Micromaster]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[File:Blast master cardart.jpg|upright=1.6|thumb|Wouldn't it be more convenient if my rockets faced down?]]

'''Blast Master''' (aka '''Payload''') loves receiving orders. He's eager to load up on equipment. He's enthusiastic about blasting off into space. He's delighted to engage in battle. He's also quite likely to screw up bigtime, thanks to all this reckless enthusiasm.<ref>''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' #1</ref> His [[combiner]] partner on the [[Astro Squad]] is [[Phaser (G1)|Phaser]].

==Fiction==
===''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' marketing material===
After Cybertron fell, the Autobots left their homeworld aboard the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', traveling through space in pursuit of the [[AllSpark]]. {{storylink|War for Cybertron: Earthrise|''Earthrise'' webpage}}<ref>[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/earthrise ''Earthrise'' website]</ref> Blast Master was a [[Cybertronian military insignia|Space Command Special Ops Private]]. {{storylink|#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|''Earthrise'' toy packaging}}

When [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] was sucked into a volatile rift, Blast Master, [[Ironworks (facility)|Ironworks]], [[Overair (facility)|Overair]], and the rest of the Astro Squad encountered the roving comet carrying a densely populated city known as [[Botropolis]]. They set up base and hitched a ride on the moving comet to search the universe for signs of Sky Lynx. {{storylink|#Botropolis|Botropolis Rescue Mission marketing material}}<ref>[https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-F0858-TRA-Fall-2/dp/B0863S8V52 Botropolis Rescue Mission on Amazon]</ref>
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==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}
[[File:G1-toy BlastMaster.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The Cybertronian equivalent of "[[Blastification|Bob Smith]]."]]
*'''Astro Squad''' (Micromaster Combiner Squad, [[1990]])

: ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' Blast Master transforms into the back half of a black and white space shuttle. As a [[Micromaster Combiner]], he can connect to the half-a-vehicle mode of any other Combiner to make a new vehicle mode, and can also attach to any [[Micromaster Combiner Transport]]. He was only available as part of the Astro Team, along with Phaser, [[Missile Master]], [[Moonrock]], [[Barrage (Micromaster)|Barrage]], and [[Heave]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/1990/Autobot/BlastMaster/blastmaster.htm More information on Blast Master at TFU.info]''

{{anchor|Return of Convoy}}
*'''Shuttle Rocket W Team''' (Micro Trailer Team, [[1991]])
**''ID number'': '''C-364'''
**''Accessories'': Micro Trailer #4

: Blast Master was released in ''[[Transformers: Return of Convoy (franchise)|Return of Convoy]]'' as part of the [[Shuttle Rocket W Team]], with Phaser, Missile Master, and Moonrock. All four toys are identical to their [[Hasbro]] releases. The set also came with [[Micro Trailer]] #4.
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Generations-T30Payload.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|See? Much more convenient.]]
* '''Autobot Cosmos & Payload''' (Legends Class, 2014)
**''Series / Number'': '''02 / #006'''

:Part of the fifth wave of 2012-onwards ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#T30|Generations]]'' Legends Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' [[Cosmos (G1)#Generations|Autobot Cosmos]] comes with "Payload" ([[trademark]] reasons), who transforms into both a modified {{w|Boeing X-37|X-37B space shuttle}}<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/96686-generations-legends-targetmaster-moulds/?p=2423893 Designer Joe Kyde on "The Allspark" messageboard]</ref> and a double-barreled blaster for Cosmos to wield via its [[5 mm post]]. Blast Master can also plug into the black pegs on the front of Cosmos' vehicle modes via ports in the engines.

:Payload was [[redeco]]ed into the [[campaign item|campaign figure]] [[Astrotrain (DOTM)#Transformers (campaign item)|Astrotrain]] and ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' [[Boltax (G1)#Combiner Wars|Cybaxx]] and [[Spacewarp#Combiner Wars|Spacewarp]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/GenPayload/payload.htm More information on Payload at TFU.info]''
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===''War for Cybertron: Earthrise''===
[[File:TF-WFC-E-Blast Master.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|And now they're pointed up again. Well, it was nice while it lasted.]]
*'''Fuzer & Autobot Blast Master''' (Micromaster, [[2020]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''WFC-E16'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''ER EX-11'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[October 23]], 2020

:Part of the second wave of ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' Micromaster two-packs, "Autobot Blast Master" transforms from a robot into the back half of a space shuttle. In a rare moment for modern ''Transformers'' toys, the figures are sponsored by NASA, and the shuttle bears the organization's logo twice on its rear.

:Blast Master can combine with his partner [[Phaser (G1)#Generations|Fuzer]] to form his complete alt mode, which has ports on the back thrusters to add blast effects or to stand up on a post to simulate taking off. However, if one wants to keep the Micromasters separated, Blast Master bears a comically small crew cabin on his front. It tucks away out of sight when Blast Master combines with Fuzer. Also, Fuzer and Blast Master each have a fold-out 5mm post, allowing the combined duo to be handheld as a weapon with Blast Master's rockets serving as gun barrels. They can also be held separately as two individual weapons, as Fuzer's tiny thrusters can be used to attach blast effects as well.

:Blast Master suffers from his back weight; getting him to stand up properly without altering his knees is a monumental challenge. Additionally, most copies of Blast Master have the 5mm peg in his chest reversed, with the flat end facing toward his head.

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[[File:TF-WFC-GOC-Botropolis-Rescue-Mission-Blast-Master.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Botropolis Rescue Mission''' (Galactic Odyssey Collection, [[2021]])

:Released as part of the Encounter 5 set of the ''Earthrise'' Galactic Odyssey Collection, "Autobot Blast Master" is a redeco of his mass-retail figure, with new red and black accents creating a deco for the combined vehicle mode that is a dead-ringer for fellow space shuttle Micromaster, [[Storm Jet (Universe)|Storm Jet]].

:Blast Master is part of an [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]]-exclusive six-pack consisting exclusively of Autobots, bundled with fellow Micromasters [[Phaser (G1)#Botropolis|Fuzer]], [[Moonrock#Generations|Moonrock]], and [[Missile Master#Generations|Missile Master]], and the Modulators [[Overair (facility)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Overair]] and [[Ironworks (facility)#Botropolis|Ironworks]]. The Modulators are designed to combine into a giant space station which the Micromasters can interact with. Blast Master and Fuzer specifically dock onto a redeco of ''Earthrise'' [[Doubledealer#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Doubledealer]]'s missile, which attaches to Overair.

:This release corrects the chest peg assembly error from the last; Blast Master's chest port is now assembled with the flat end facing away from his head.
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==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Blast Master''' (ブレストマスター<ref>Normally, the word "blast" is rendered in katakana as ブラスト (''burasuto'')—like in [[Strongarm (Energon)|Blastarm]] or [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Broadblast]]. However, the katakana used in Blast Master's Japanese name is most decidedly ブレスト (''buresuto'')—which is usually used to render the English word "breast". This same spelling was previously used to render the first part of [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]]'s name, an unrelated shuttle character released years prior. It is likely that this was simply one of the many name mistransliterations in Generation 1 that stuck.</ref> ''Buresuto Masutā'', ブラストマスター ''Burasuto Masutā'')
*''French:'' '''Explo-As''' (Canada)
*''Italian:'' '''Zenit'''

==References==
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[[Category:Defense specialists]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generations]]
[[Category:Micromaster combiners]]
[[Category:Return of Convoy Autobots]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Earthrise Autobots]]

Exo-Suit (SG)

2022-09-11T13:48:02Z

ChristalIsMe: Grammar. (I think.)

{{factions|sgDecepticon}}
{{disambig3|Exo-Suit}}
:''Exo-Suit is a heroic [[Decepticon]] [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System|Weaponizer]] from the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:TF-Shattered-Glass-Collection-Roritchi.jpg|thumb|upright=1.99|You can call him Roy Richie if you really want to.<ref name="stream">Decepticon Slicer reveal in the [[June 23]], 2022 [https://youtu.be/u-vNMsLdhXo "Hasbro Pulse | Transformers Fanstream"] with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Isabella Weiss]], and [[Mark Maher]].</ref>]]

'''Exo-Suit'''<ref name="stream"/> is a heroic Decepticon that works with [[Wheeljack (SG)|Slicer]], whether it's providing him with weaponry or being ridden around on like a little buggy. It's unclear whether he's a [[drone]], but if he isn't, he probably wishes he was.

==Toys==
===''Shattered Glass Collection''===
*'''Decepticon Slicer & Exo-Suit''' (Deluxe Class, [[2022]])

:Released as part of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Shattered Glass Collection|Shattered Glass Collection]]'' subline, Exo-Suit is a redeco of ''[[Generations Selects (toyline)|Generations Selects]]'' [[Black Roritchi#Generations Selects|Black Roritchi]], itself a retool of ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' [[Fasttrack (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Decepticon Fasttrack]], packed alongside fellow Deluxe figure "[[Wheeljack (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Decepticon Slicer]]". Together, the duo is an extensive [[homage]] to the original [[Action Master]] [[Slicer (G1)#Toys|Slicer]] and his own [[Exo-suit (Action Masters)|Exo-Suit]].

:As a [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System|Weaponizer]]-styled figure, Exo-Suit transforms via [[partformer|part-forming]] into a six-wheeled Cybertronian buggy-tank with twin blasters. His dagger accessory can be attached to the back of his head in vehicle mode to form a "seat" that can accommodate either a [[Titan Master]] or a [[Prime Master]]. Concealed within his chest is an [[A.I.R. Lock System]] connection point, which allows him to link up with other toys in the line to form larger fortifications. As on the original toy, his blasters can also peg onto his robot-mode shoulders.

:Exo-Suit's stock images show an "official" Weaponizer configuration with Slicer, attaching his torso and leg pieces to Slicer's right shoulder and feet respectively, and using his blasters as shoulder cannons. Like the previous versions of this mold, Exo-Suit's parts can also form a large spear weapon, though this mode is pictured minus its long handle. Slicer and Exo-Suit's official reveal during a [[Hasbro Pulse]] livestream had designer [[Mark Maher]] show off a buggy mode for Slicer to ride, based on the original Slicer's 4WD Assault Vehicle. Of course, the only limit to Exo-Suit's modes is your imagination.

:While primarily intended to reproduce the original Action Master accessory, Maher intimated that the figure was also designed as a sort of "best of both worlds" of the prior two attempts at [[Scorponok (G1)|Black Zarak]]'s [[Tyrant Spear]], reproducing Black Roritchi's spear mode in Generation 1-accurate colors.<ref name="stream"/>
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==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Shattered Glass Decepticons]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

Combaticon (G1)

2022-09-11T07:07:52Z

ChristalIsMe: I tried to add Shockwave here, as he combined with them in CW. Idk if that's necessary, it if I did it right, but I tried to Mimic the other Special Team pages.

{{factions|decepticon|decepticong2|autobot|eliteguard|exarchon}}
{{disambig3|Combaticon}}
:''The Combaticons are a [[Decepticon]] [[subgroup]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:TVMGuideCombaticons.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|The Dirty Half-Dozen Minus One—from left to right Swindle, Vortex, Onslaught, Blast Off and Brawl.]]
The '''Combaticons''' are a unit of fierce Decepticon soldiers, operating with (mostly) military precision under the watchful eye of the tactically brilliant Onslaught. They sometimes operate out of [[Combaticons' headquarters|their own headquarters]].

The Combaticons consist of:
*The tactician [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (leader)
*The violent [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]]
*The egotistical [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]]
*The con man [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]
*The unhinged [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]

They combine to form the highly powerful, but extremely stupid [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]].

Sometimes, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] joins the group, though he may not be considered member.

{{quote|We aim to maim!|Brawl tells us the basic gist of the team|"[[Spotlight: Arcee]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:Starscreams brigade 5 letsgo.jpg|center|upright=2.2|thumb|Dad's Army]]
When [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] was banished from the Decepticons for Yet Another Failed Coup Against [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], he was deposited on the island of [[Guadalcanal]], the site of one of the major battles between the [[United States of America]] and [[Japan|Imperial Japan]] during [[World War II]]. There he found and rebuilt several abandoned US military vehicles to pass the time. After he finished, he decided that if Megatron can have a Decepticon army, then so can he!

[[File:Combaticons group.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Swindle suddenly becomes a fervent opponent of [[scale]].]]
After bluffing his way past [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] and [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] to use the [[space bridge]], he travelled to a [[Decepticon Detention Center|detention center]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and liberated the [[personality component]]s of several [[Renegade Decepticon|Decepticon political prisoners]] before destroying the rest. Back on [[Earth]], Starscream installed the components into the rusting military vehicles and ordered them to transform.

[[File:Starscreams brigade 7 SSrideshoulder.jpg|155px|thumb|SQUAWK! Starscream wanna cracker!]]
The reborn Combaticons were less than pleased with their "new," primitive bodies, nor were they particularly thankful to Starscream for freeing them after millions of years of imprisonment. That is, until the former Decepticon Air Commander revealed that he had neglected to install [[energy absorber]] units into their bodies, so they would have no way of refueling. As he was the only one with the knowledge and expertise to install them, he demanded their allegiance in his aim to overthrow Megatron. The Combaticons agreed to obey Starscream, for now.

Under Starscream's leadership, the Combaticons managed to capture several prisoners, then used their energy absorbers to recharge themselves at a power plant. Unfortunately, Megatron and the Decepticons attacked, while the Autobots rescued their comrades. The [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] formed [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], who was quickly defeated by the Combaticons' much more powerful, but dull-witted combined form, Bruticus. Starscream ordered Bruticus to grab Megatron, forcing his former commander to acknowledge Starscream as the new leader of the Decepticons. Under duress, Megatron did so as the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] watched nearby. The latter group, deciding that Starscream would be too dangerous as a leader, quickly formed [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] and defeated Bruticus with a single attack.

[[File:Revenge of bruticus 4 changing course.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Lads, we can get the scrambled channels now]]
Starscream and the Combaticons were banished from Earth on a small asteroid, left to wallow in their own misery and blame each other for their failures. {{storylink|Starscream's Brigade}}

[[File:Revenge of bruticus 15 fakeblowup.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Care Bear Stare]]
Starscream and the Combaticons quickly had a falling-out. After Starscream left, the Combaticons attacked Cybertron, easily defeating [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and his [[Sentinel (G1)|drones]]. Thirsting for revenge, Onslaught reprogrammed the space bridge to pull Earth closer to the [[Sun]], in the hopes of destroying it and every Transformer there. The Autobots and Decepticons temporarily joined forces to retake Cybertron and prevent Earth's destruction, and with Starscream's help, they deactivated the Combaticons once they formed Bruticus through a failsafe device built into the treacherous giant's back. Optimus Prime and Megatron agreed that Bruticus must be destroyed, but the Decepticon leader fooled the Autobots by using Shockwave's [[holographic projector]] to make it appear as though Bruticus was destroyed, when in reality the combiner was reprogrammed to be loyal only to Megatron. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

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Soon afterwards, during Megatron's latest scheme on Earth involving the theft of fighter aircraft using Middle-Eastern criminals, the Combaticons were called into service to defend Megatron's [[Giant Purple Griffin]], a large... thing that apparently pumped [[oil]]. Or something. Struggling against the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], the Combaticons formed Bruticus, yet were still knocked over when the Aerialbots twisted a tow cable around his legs. The Decepticon combiner was finally defeated when the Aerialbots ignited the nearby oil wells, causing a massive explosion that sent Megatron, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], Bruticus and gas prices flying away. {{storylink|Aerial Assault}}

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While attacking a human city, Bruticus was destroyed in battle with [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] (man, this guy can't seem to catch a break). Only Swindle survived, and he sold the remains of his comrades to various mercenaries and [[El Presidente|third-world dictator-types]], only to be forced to locate and rebuild the Combaticons by Megatron. The reformed Bruticus was then defeated when Megatron's disruptor cannon was overloaded by the human-built [[B.O.T. (G1)|B.O.T.]], once again sending the Decepticon flying into the sky. {{storylink|B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.}}

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After the great battle at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], the Combaticons were among the battered Decepticon forces who withdrew to [[Chaar]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} Swindle was instrumental in negotiating an alliance with the [[Quintesson]]s; {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}} the Combaticons later participated in a Quintesson-led assault on the Autobots on [[Goo 8739-B|Goo]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}} {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

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A lone Blast Off later attacked a [[Skuxxoid]] who was using [[death crystal]]s to blow stuff up in Decepticon territory, and forced the alien to tell him where he got the ammunition. When a group of Autobots tried to find the crystals as well, Blast Off attacked them alongside [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]]. {{storylink|Chaos (episode)|Chaos}} The Combaticons later failed to assassinate Decepticon exile [[Octane]] at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}} then succeeded in shooting up a shuttle meant to take human delegates to an interstellar peace conference. {{storylink|Surprise Party}}

During a Decepticon attack on the [[Netherlands]], Swindle infiltrated [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and stole his [[transformation cog]], whilst Vortex was charged with guarding [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}} The Combaticons later participated in the assault on [[Paradron]], where they guarded the imprisoned Paradronians, among other things. {{storylink|Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee}} When the Earth was infected by the [[Hate Plague]], the Combaticons (Bruticus) were among those infected. Brawl was seen driving along the road and infecting [[Headstrong (G1)|Headstrong]] who, in turn, infected [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] while Vortex attacked a civilian plane on a runway. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}}

Under [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]'s directions, the Combaticons constructed a giant planetary rocket engine that was used to propel Cybertron into orbit around Earth. They also dragged away the bodies of defeated Autobots to use as fuel for the engine. Once Scorponok and Fortress Maximus began to fight the Combaticons ran away. They presumably left Cybertron with Galvatron in Scorponok {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====Scramble City=====
When the Stunticons were dispatched to hinder the Autobots from constructing [[Metroplex (G1)|Scramble City]], they were attacked by the Aerialbots and did not fare too well. The Combaticons arrived to help, and together Bruticus and Menasor easily overpowered Superion. However, Scramble City itself soon arrived and blasted both combiners away. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
The Combaticons participated in an all-out Decepticon attack on Cybertron, {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} until [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] arrived and drove them away. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} Shortly afterwards, [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] set out to find the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and bring it to Optimus Prime, and the Combaticons were among the troops sent out to stop him. They were ambushed by the Protectobots, and defeated when Defensor buried Bruticus in a rockfall. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}} Not long after that, the Combaticons defended [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] against [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Twincast]]'s attempted infiltration, but failed when the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] arrived and distracted them. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

[[File:UltraMagnusDies Combaticons.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"All six Combaticons present and accou... Wait! Why are YOU with us?"]]
The Combaticons were later part of ''another'' attack on Cybertron, during which they killed plenty of [[Generic|soldiers]] before getting into another fight with Defensor. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} They lost. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}} When the Decepticons planted a giant carnivorous plant in [[San Francisco]], the Combaticons and Stunticons were ordered to with attack any Autobots who arrived to kill it. When the Aerialbots and [[Trainbot]]s did just that, Bruticus got into an energy-sword fight with [[Raiden]]. {{storylink|Head On!! Fortress Maximus}} Sixshot later sent the Combaticons, [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] and [[Horrorcon]]s to attack an Autobot energy facility in [[Florida|Miami]], in order to lure Autobot troops away from [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}}

The Combaticons were present when [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] held a speech about Galvatron's recent death and took control of the Decepticons. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}} Bruticus was later part of a small group of Decepticons who tried to lead Fortress Maximus away from the Decepticon base on [[Master (planet)|Master]]. {{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}} He then stood by and laughed as [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] sank the luxury liner ''[[Queen World]]'' in the Atlantic Ocean, before being stationed at one of Scorponok's [[Death Tower]]s in Canberra, [[Australia]]. He defended the tower against Defensor until it activated, at which point [[Wingspan]] and [[Pounce]] ordered him to withdraw. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}}

Bruticus participated in the final battle with the Autobots at the North Pole, and fought [[Computron (G1)|Computron]] alongside [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]]. As Scorponok's energy-absorbing satellite started tearing the Earth apart, Bruticus retreated into the atmosphere to watch the results alongside the rest of the Decepticon forces. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}
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=====''Zone'' OVA, manga, and story pages=====
Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], [[Emperor of Destruction|Decepticon Emperor]] [[Violengiguar]] gathered together the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]], upgrading them with powerful new armor and weaponry, then sent them forth to conquer planets. The Combaticons were of those summoned, but only in the form of Bruticus. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}} {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (manga)|Zone}} {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

====''TV Magazine'' comic continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
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Bruticus arrived to help the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] fight [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] and [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] at a baseball stadium in [[Japan]]. He quickly defeated Defensor, injuring [[Hot Spot (G1)|his torso]] and preventing him from combining. In response, Superion disabled Brawl and Swindle using his [[electrostatic discharger rifle]], allowing [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] and [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] to steal their places as Bruticus's legs. Taking control of the giant's flight systems, the two Protectobots flew off with Bruticus as [[Kenji]] cheered at them to drop the Combaticons into the sea. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 5|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #5}} Onslaught later joined the Stunticons in a scheme to defame the Autobots by destroying factories around Japan whilst wearing Autobot [[insignia]]s. When confronted by the real Autobots, he "combined" with fellow [[Decepticon Trailer Corps]] member [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]], but they were defeated and sent packing by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #7}}

The Combaticons' next mission was to hunt down [[Battle Dog|an escaped dog]] that Megatron had experimented on, imbuing it with powerful energy. Brawl managed to fatally injure the animal, much to Onslaught's annoyance as they were supposed to capture it alive. The Autobot [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] soon arrived to put a halt to their activities, and the dog expressed its gratitude by using its powers to energize Powerglide with [[Scramble Power]]. As Powerglide used the power to combine with his fellow [[Mini Vehicle|Minibots]], the Combaticons responded by forming Bruticus. He proved weaker than this new [[Minibot combiner]], however, as it used the "Minibot Warrior Spiral Attack" to drill straight through Bruticus's chest, defeating him.

The dog still died, though. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 8|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #8}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''=====
The Combaticons emerged as Bruticus alongside the other Decepticon super-warriors, ready to storm the Autobot energy tower on the planet [[Feminia]]. Galvatron and his men laughed off the presence of Superion, Defensor and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]... but the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibots]]? Carrying a length of thread?! Oh, the horror. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 5|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #5}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
The Combaticons and Stunticons were working out of Trypticon where the kidnapped scientist Doctor [[Dalton]] was being forced to work for Galvatron's evil ends. When the Aerialbots and Protectobots arrived to save the scientist, Onslaught and Motormaster combined with Trypticon in their deployment launcher modes. Hurtling their fellow Decepticons at Superion did such damage that the Aerialbots were forced to disassemble. Somehow, however, the remaining Protectobots managed to hold off both Bruticus and Menasor long enough for [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] to repair the Aerialbots, and for [[Blades (G1)|Blades]] to sneak past the Decepticons and retrieve Dalton. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

=====''Super-God Masterforce'' comic=====
Brawl and Blast Off participated in an attack on [[Athenia]] by forming the right limbs of [[Scramble 7]], a Decepticon combiner using various combiner team members in a supposedly "ideal" configuration. Despite being so great, however, Scramble 7 was defeated by [[Ginrai (human)|Super Ginrai]], [[Lightfoot (G1)|Lightfoot]], and [[Ranger]] thanks to their use of [[Chōkon Power]]. {{storylink|The Battle Begins! The Earth-Space Alliance Army}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
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''The Combaticons and their fellow [[Special Teams]] were first conceived within [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]'s mind shortly after the human had relinquished control of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]. [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]] was able to view this data remotely and prepare for their development.'' {{storylink|Second Generation!}}

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On their first mission on Earth, the Combaticons followed [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] to retrieve the human [[hydrothermocline]] plant. When they arrived, they faced Optimus Prime and the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] waiting for them. The Combaticons formed Bruticus and stared down [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] when a nearby human named [[Ethan Zachary]] suggested that they play a [[Multi-World|video game]] over the plant instead. Optimus Prime and Megatron both agreed, and the Combaticons were sent into the game to attack the Protectobots. However, they lost every battle due to not taking the "wildlife" AI into account. {{storylink|Afterdeath!}} ''These events were observed by the [[time travel]]ling [[Dicet Alpha-zero]].'' {{storylink|The Quest!}} After this, the Combaticons didn't do much but follow Megatron around, even when their mentally unstable leader heavily damaged Brawl for mouthing off. {{storylink|Gone but Not Forgotten!}}

''Later, [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] led the Combaticons to kill [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]—and co-incidentally [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]]—while they were trapped in the cooled lava flow of [[Mount Verona]]. After making short work of the human military encamped on the site, the Combaticons set up explosive charges around the volcano to obliterate the entire area but their operation was met with resistance thanks to [[Cindy Newell|three]] [[Susan Hoffman|human]] [[Joy Meadows|women]], as well as [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] and the [[Throttlebot]]s. When the Combaticons retreated to detonate their explosives, their remote signal was jammed by [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]].'' {{storylink|Ladies' Night (issue)|Ladies' Night}} ''In response to that humiliation,'' the Combaticons would later attack the [[Throttlebot]]s in a used car lot, only for the Protectobots and Blaster to interfere and force them to retreat. {{storylink|Used Autobots}} Shortly afterwards, the group decided to ambush the Protectobots on their way to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. This time, Bruticus claimed victory over Defensor by hitting him with a train, but was soon tricked and broken into his component parts by Blaster. After this, Blaster took control of Blast Off and flew into space, separating the shuttle from the other Combaticons. {{storylink|Child's Play (issue)|Child's Play}} Along with most of the Decepticon army, the Combaticons later ambushed the Autobots on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], only to be beaten back by Blaster and [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]]. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

''At some point thereafter, the Combaticons worked with [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]] and [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] under the command of [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]] to steal a backup of the [[floppy disk]] containing Optimus Prime's personality.'' {{storylink|Prime Bomb!}}

====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
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After Bludgeon's defeat, Swindle took the returning Decepticon leader Megatron on a tour of the [[Warworld]] battleship he had inherited. {{storylink|The Gathering Darkness}} Soon after, Brawl and Blast Off were among the Decepticons preparing to charge into battle against the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]]. {{storylink|New Dawn}} Vortex was seen with various other Decepticons attacking the [[Ethos raiding party|Cybertronians]] on [[Ethos]]. {{storylink|Escalation!}} As the alliance progressed, Onslaught was struck by empathic pains as his apparent spawn [[Mindset (G2)|Mindset]] was consumed by the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]]. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Swarm}}

During the final battle at [[Earth]], all the Combaticons later attempted to defend the Warworld against a Cybertronian boarding party led by the treacherous Starscream. Despite Onslaught's emphatic orders of "maximum firepower", they didn't do so well. {{storylink|Total War!}}
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====''Transformers Comic-Magazin''====
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===Young Corgi continuity===
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When the fleshlings discovered a mysterious lost civilization buried underneath the ice, the Combaticons Brawl, Vortex and Blast Off joined [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] in seeking whatever treasures the hidden city might have. They were confronted by the Aerialbots named [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] and [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]], and fought on the surface over the city. Little did they know that the [[city-dweller]]s were robots themselves, remotely storing and copying images of the battle between the Autobots and Decepticons, imprinting themselves with the skills of warfare. They were only stopped by the unlikely duo of Ravage and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]. After the city-dwellers were defeated, the Autobots granted safe passage to their one-time Decepticon allies. Blast Off expanded to his maximum size to transport his fellow 'Cons back to Decepticon headquarters. {{storylink|Battle Beneath the Ice}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
The five soldiers who would one day become the Combaticons were early participants in the Decepticons' war effort. While Onslaught and the others joined Shockwave in attacking [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] and the [[High Council Pavilions]] being protected by the Autobots, Swindle chose to throw in with Starscream, helping him to disable [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and assume temporary control over Megatron's planetary juggernaut project. {{storylink|Transformers: The War Within|The War Within}}

At some later date, these five warriors were officially brought together as a combiner team, given the ability to form Bruticus. Like the other Combiners, they were banned from operating together on any given faction during the Dark Ages, by decree of the [[Crisis Intervention Accord]] to prevent any more devastation to the planet at the hands of the super-robot combiners.{{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} The Combaticons were still authorized to operate individually and separately among the various Decepticon factions. Given his previous efforts helping [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] and the [[Battlecharger]]s with Starscream's coup, Swindle may have joined them as a member of the [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]], although this was never stated. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages}}

By the modern era, the Combaticons had been declared war criminals by the united Cybertronian government under Shockwave and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. The details of their crimes and why they were singled-out for imprisonment is unclear—Shockwave may have been intentionally eliminating [[Ratbat (G1)|potential rivals]] or [[Stunticon (G1)|loose cannons]], or may simply have allowed their imprisonment as a token showing of cooperation with the Autobot High Council. Once the Transformers from Earth were contacted, and uprisings began taking place on Cybertron, Starscream managed to worm his way into the [[Detention Banks]] and recover the five stasis pods containing the Combaticons. He loaded them onto his stolen transport and brought them back to Earth with him and the rest of his hand-picked crew. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}}

[[File:Onslaught G1DW routeofallevil.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"YOOOOOO JOE!"]]
On Earth, Starscream reactivated the Combaticons as his personal "brigade", scanning Earth military vehicles for their alternate modes. Using the Combaticons as shock troops, he made a two-staged assault on the Ark, and successfully took five of the seven remaining Autobots off-line. {{storylink|Night of the Combaticons}} Starscream and Bruticus' efforts to complete their set were interrupted by the arrival of [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], Starscream's crazed clone-brother, and Bruticus was damaged in the melee. {{storylink|Black Sunshine}} After the battle with Sunstorm, Starscream attempted to train the Combaticons into better military shape, using the Autobot prisoner [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] as a "tackling dummy". His training efforts were interrupted by the return of Megatron and his combiner team, the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. Even as Bruticus, the Combaticons quickly fell before the might of [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]]. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}
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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
The Combaticons were among the Decepticons under control of "the Son of Megatron", [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]. Onslaught tried to protect his leader from a vengeful Optimus Prime while Brawl, Vortex and Blast Off were seen fighting against a combined Autobot-[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] army. Swindle, however, was nowhere to be found. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
Early in the [[Great War (G1)|war]], Brawl and Onslaught were part of an armored division led by [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]. They participated in the defense of the [[Citadel]] but were overwhelmed by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dynobots]]. {{storylink|Endgame}} When [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] was overthrown by [[Scorponok (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Scorponok]], the Combaticons were among the Decepticons who refused to their new leader and left Cybertron to do their own thing. While breaking into an armory at the [[Presidium (planet)|Presidium]], they were approached by [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] and offered ample payment for their return to the frontlines. {{storylink|Primacy issue 2|Primacy #2}} They accepted, and Onslaught and Brawl were later seen participating in Megatron's attack on [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]. {{storylink|Primacy issue 3|Primacy #3}} {{storylink|Primacy issue 4|Primacy #4}}

During the war [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] became one of the worst violators of the [[Tyrest Accord]], constantly selling Transformers technology to alien races, and had gone AWOL from the Decepticons, hunted by both sides of the war. {{storylink|Spotlight: Ultra Magnus}} The other four remained Combaticons, and were a dangerous tactical unit capable of taking on and beating superior numbers (even ones backed up by [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|total loonies]]). Under orders from [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzaitron]], they successfully raided the [[Garrus-9]] Autobot prison and abducted [[Pretender Monster|the six newest inmates]], the gestalt Transformers, despite taking some damage from a high threat convict, Arcee, who was released to stop them. {{storylink|Spotlight: Arcee}} Soon afterwards, the Combaticons were among the only survivors of an attack by the [[Dead Universe]] Transformers, who activated the gestalt combined form, [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]], inside Banzaitron's base. {{storylink|Spotlight: Hardhead}} After a deal was negotiated between Arcee and Banzaitron; the Combaticons, remaining [[Decepticon Secret Service|DSS]] members and the crazed Autobot fought Monstructor on [[Rotan]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

Two years after the fall of Megatron, the Combaticons were among the Decepticons left behind on Earth. Swindle joined up with a small band of roaming Decepticons, {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 1: "New Arrivals, Old Encounters"|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} while Onslaught was one of many Transformers captured by [[Skywatch]] using their reverse-engineered energon and Cybertronian technology. He and several other Decepticons were rescued from Skywatch custody by Swindle's team, who removed the mode-locks placed on them by Skywatch's restraint tech. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 2: "A Rude Awakening"|A Rude Awakening}} After Swindle failed to take advantage of some rebellious Autobots in an attempt to get off Earth, he disappeared. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 5: "Earthworks"|Earthworks}}

Fleeing to [[North Korea]], Swindle made a deal with [[Kim Jong Du]], the leader of the nation, offering him the Combaticons as an invasion force in exchange for energon. He left when he got the energy he needed, but the other Combaticons remained. {{storylink|Police Action Part 3: A Second Chance at Eden|A Second Chance at Eden}} Soon enough, Onslaught, Brawl and Vortex were invading [[South Korea]] for their employer (Blast Off's whereabouts were unknown: Skywatch noted that the Koreans had enough energon for five Transformers, but he might just have left Earth on his own). {{storylink|International Incident Part 1: "The Land Ironclads"|"The Land Ironclads"}} They ended up in a brawl with both the Autobots (allied with Skywatch) and [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] (allied with [[China]]), but were ultimately defeated. Luckily for them, the Autobots didn't have the resources at hand to take them captive. {{storylink|International Incident Part 4: "All My Sins Remembered"|"All My Sins Remembered"}}

Brawl later tried to kill [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] on Swindle's behalf, but failed and was captured by the Autobots. {{storylink|Police Action Part 2: Only Forward|Only Forward}} Swindle himself was taken in shortly afterwards when his latest scheme failed. {{storylink|Police Action Part 3: A Second Chance at Eden|A Second Chance at Eden}} The captured Combaticons, and likely the others as well, ended up being forced to work for the Autobots on a restored Cybertron once the war was declared over. {{storylink|The Autonomy Lesson (issue)|The Autonomy Lesson}} The Decepticons felt oppressed under a provisional government of Autobots, Non-Aligned Cybertronians, and Starscream. Starscream approached Onslaught to buy the Combaticons' services as he made his play for Iacon's leadership. In exchange for protecting him from those like the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] or unruly bots, Starscream would allow the group a position of power when the time came. {{storylink|Applicable Skills}}

Blast Off and Brawl were among those brought by Starscream to pressure Prowl into revealing one of his secret discoveries below ground. Later underground, they witnessed a Titan declare that Starscream was the Cybertronian destined to unite their whole race. They and the other Cybertronians celebrated afterwards with Starscream. {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things}} Later, most of the Combaticons were involved in the rioting that began when Megatron returned, although Swindle, along with [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], offered their testimony on Prowl's murder of [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] and the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. {{storylink|City on Fire}} {{storylink|The Verge}} Some time later, when Starscream successfully became the ruler of Iacon, he reneged on his deal with Onslaught, who was furious over the betrayal. {{storylink|Applicable Skills}}

After Megatron's defection to the Autobots, [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] and [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]] took command of the Decepticons and led a contingent back to Earth, which included Brawl, where they formed an alliance with the [[Earth Defense Command]] against the Autobots. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World}} Back on Cybertron, with Metroplex's installation as Cybertron's new capital, Onslaught and many other disgruntled Decepticons chose to live in slums outside the city instead. When they caught Optimus Prime making his way through their territory, many of them formed a mob and attacked him. {{storylink|City of Steel (issue)|City of Steel}} Blast Off joined the riot for Metroplex's space bridge under Swindle's claims that a better life was possible on [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]]. {{storylink|You, Me, and the Universe}} Swindle himself would be blasted in the back by Starscream in order to keep him from revealing his role in the attack on Caminus, and apparently expired. {{storylink|All That Remains}}

Onslaught later skulked by as a group of Camiens were passing out fliers regarding Optimus Prime's divinity in the district. Brawl returned from Earth at this time to help rally the Decepticons for Galvatron's campaign. {{storylink|The Transgressors}} The Combaticons soon reunited and stewed over Starscream's leadership. Upon throwing an energon canister at a viewscreen promoting Starscream's success in uniting some of the lost colonies, Onslaught declared that they wouldn't let Starscream forget the past, not without having to go through them first. They sprayed "SWINDLE LIVES" on a wall {{storylink|The Will of the Few}} thanks to Onslaught being informed by an anonymous informant, "[[Rattrap (BW)|DC-357]]", that Swindle was alive and had damaging info on Starscream. {{storylink|07:00:00}} Brawl, Blast Off, and Vortex got Onslaught a new grenade in light if the newly declared "Chosen One Day". {{storylink|Choose Me}}

Brawl rejoined [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] and [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] to prepare for Galvatron's conquest of Earth. Brawl and Needlenose led a team of Decepticons, including Onslaught, to the Space Bridge nexus, where they transported aboard the ''[[Ark-7]]'' to overpower the Autobots in Earth orbit. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 2: Lagrange|Lagrange}} Brawl, Onslaught and the Decepticons engaged Arcee, [[Sideswipe (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sideswipe]] and [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] before the ship crashed into Shanghai, China. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 4: Perihelion|Perihelion}} The Earth Defense Command's "mindbomb" felled several of the Decepticons within the first minute of the battle. After the Chinese Mecha Force began tearing through the Decepticons, Brawl was taken through the space bridge by Ironhide, but began fighting his way through the Autobots in a panic and reignited the fight at the other end. Barely surviving an attack by [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], he and several Decepticons were able to slip away. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 1: Once Upon a Time on Earth|Once Upon a Time on Earth}}

Onslaught continued to search the underbelly of Cybertron for the missing Swindle, and as the [[Badgeless]] began to brutalise Decepticons for information, he became sure DC-357 was onto something. However, the other Combaticons, particularly Blast Off, became worried he was too focused on finding Swindle, costing them paying jobs. The idea of dropping the search made Onslaught storm off in a huff, failing to notice a new message from DC-357. Blast Off did catch it, however, and soon he donned a Badgeless disguise, joined a patrol, and as soon as he got a chance he shot a Decepticon dead and sent footage of it to the press. {{storylink|07:00:00}} With riots breaking out, Vortex and Brawl were eager to join in, but Onslaught held them back until Blast Off returned. Onslaught suspected the situation was orchestrated by Starscream so that the colonists would be made to turn against their cause, until Blast Off admitted to doing the killing by following DC-357's suggestion to provoke an uprising. Onslaught hit upon a sneaky plan: he started a large protest that marched on Starscream to shake the tree and see what happened, and when what happened was Ironhide was made head of the cops and opened them up to anyone who wanted. Onslaught then started a fight so that Blast Off could 'stop him' and 'denounce' his plans, thus getting into the police as someone Ironhide would trust. {{storylink|Applicable Skills}}

Blast Off was able to use his position to eventually uncover surveillance footage of [[Wheeljack (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Wheeljack]] and [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] taking Swindle. While Onslaught took Brawl and went to Rattrap's, Blast Off and Vortex barged into Wheeljack's home, and ultimately threatened to kill [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] unless Wheeljack talked. Wheeljack admitted that he and Rattrap had tried to save Swindle, but he was currently brain dead. Onslaught was unperturbed by Swindle's condition, and forced Rattrap to retrieve the [[Enigma of Combination]]. {{storylink|Things We Said We'd Never Do}} Onslaught used the Enigma on himself and his team, forming [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]], hoping that he might be able to access the dirt Swindle had on Starscream. As Bruticus rampaged through Iacon, within the combiner's psyche, Vortex reveled in the power that they wielded as Bruticus, Brawl was wallowing in pain after feeling Swindle's death, and Blast Off struggled to keep them all together. Eventually Onslaught found what he was looking for, and he, Brawl and Vortex began reveling in their path of destruction despite Blast Off's protests. Though [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] tried to appeal to the Combaticon combiner to help her take down Starscream with their evidence, it was to no avail. Eventually Ironhide was forced to fire a rocket at Bruticus' head, and the shock forced the Combaticons to disconnect. Windblade frantically tried to get the Combaticons to wake up to share what they had learned, but failed. {{storylink|The Line Between Us}}

The Combaticons were imprisoned and awaiting trial, though Ironhide was reluctant to prosecute them if their mental scarring proved too great. {{storylink|Ping}} They were still comatose when Starscream told the [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Eukarian]] [[Mnemosurgery|mnemosurgeon]] [[Airachnid (G1)|Airachnid]] to turn them to his side as one of his combiners. Though the Combaticons minds had imprinted on each other during their combination, making them susceptible to the process, one of the Combaticons was required to be aware of the deception in order to cover any holes in their story should the others get suspicious. Blast Off was chosen and bribed into accepting the deal after Starscream reminded him that Onslaught would never let the past go or ever take any real interest in him. As a result, the others Combaticons were made to believe that Onslaught's original deal with Starscream had worked out, with them having been his secret and loyal bodyguards, and that their forming of Bruticus had been a last-ditch attempt to save Swindle's life with Starscream's approval. Starscream informed Ironhide that Airachnid would be testifying that the Combaticons had not been responsible for their actions as Bruticus. {{storylink|The Price of You}} Soon the Combaticons "resumed" their work of protecting Starscream, and Onslaught and Blast Off arranged a date. Shortly afterwards, Swindle was restored, with his memories manipulated as well. {{storylink|If I Know You}}

The Combaticons later provided security for the ceremony to welcome Earth into the Council of Worlds. When [[Iron Ring|a group of human assailants]] attacked, the Combaticons mobilized to fight back and evacuate Starscream. {{storylink|First Strike issue 1|First Strike #1}}

Onslaught and Vortex later ushered Circuit and Longtooth out of the Council chambers during Windblade's official return to her post, with Vortex daring the two reporters to resist. When Windblade invited people to speak with her one-on-one during her campaign to become the new leader of Cybertron, Brawl was an unexpected supporter of her war-free vision. Vortex and Blast Off later stood guard outside Starscream's office as Windblade confronted Starscream, and Blast Off was disturbed at Vortex's ideas for what they were doing. During the final debate, Starscream revealed all of his crimes to the public, including the manipulation of the Combaticons. As a result, all of the Combaticons were imprisoned for their rampage as Bruticus, and Blast Off was ostracized by the others for his role in their manipulation. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

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===''Wings Universe''===
{{Wingsnote}}
[[File:EliteGuardCombaticons TheComingStorm2.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1| DUM DUM DUUUUUUM!]]
The Combaticons were an [[Elite Guard]] special ops unit created by [[Magnum]] to take out the various [[Decepticon leader|leaders]] of the new Decepticon faction, in the hopes of ending the war quickly. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 2}} After they ended up getting captured by [[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]], the silver-tongued Decepticon manipulated the Combaticons to join him so they could prove their superiority over the rest of the Elite Guard. In return, he modified them so they could combine into Bruticus. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 4}}

They attacked Elite Guard HQ, using their new combined form {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 5}} and managed to slaughter most of the Elite Guard defenders, until [[Dion (G1)|Dion]] injured the giant, forcing them to separate. They departed the scene, assuming everyone to be dead. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 6}} Returning to Deathsaurus's base, they underwent repairs, though they were startled to learn that Deathsaurus could control their merging remotely. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 2}} As the remnants of the Elite Guard tried to attack the base, the Combaticons joined the other Decepticons in defending it. However, as they tried to merge into Bruticus, they were blasted by some new arrivals {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 3}} who were, it turned out, even more survivors of the massacre. Blast Off was captured and bound by [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]], meaning the Combaticons were unable to form Bruticus for the rest of the battle. After Deathsaurus called a retreat, the team was slow to comply, and as a result were captured by the Elite Guard. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 4}}

In the hands of the compromised [[Gyronian Sentry|Gyronian Sentry Team]], the Combaticons were whisked away to Deathsaurus's fortress, now under Megatron's control. Though Megatron gave them the option, none of them cared to help Deathsaurus, and they were imprisoned and their personality components subsequently interred in the Decepticon Detention Center. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 5}}

===''Kre-O'' online manga===
[[File:Kre-O Combaticons.jpg|thumb]]

Summoned by [[Starscream (Kre-O)|Starscream]] to act as his elite squad (whose first mission, of course, was to overthrow [[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]]), Onslaught, Brawl, Swindle, and a repainted Vortex rolled onto the scene. After they all declared their specialties, Onslaught, Brawl, and Swindle were irritated when Vortex offered to stay behind and guard the base. Even though the Combaticons combined into Bruticus, Vortex's constant worry for the base's safety compelled the team to withdraw. When Starscream, under imminent threat of a beating from Megatron, contacted the team to demand to know where they were, the Combaticons happily informed their illustrious leader they were all protecting the base together. Aww. {{Storylink|New Military Unit Combaticon! Bruticus, Combine!}}

Swindle was able to steal [[Metroplex (Kre-O)|Metroplex]]'s [[transformation cog]], but his looking forward to being rewarded was interrupted when the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] tracked him down to take back his loot. The Combaticons combined to form Bruticus, but were defeated by the Protectobots' own combined form, [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]], and taken back to the Autobot base to have his injuries treated by the gentle [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]]. {{storylink|Bad at Fighting? Rescue Team Protectobots, Dispatch!}}

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1Onslaught toy.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|"How come the other Combaticons aren't as tall as I am? Because I'm a natural-born leader, HAH!"]]
[[File:G1Vortex toy.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|"Ride the whirlwind! Slag, I got it wrong!"]]
[[File:Bruticus toy.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|"Rargh... humans transform Bruticus wrong... and blame Bruticus's design..."]]
*'''Combaticons''' (1986/1991)
**[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]]
**[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]]
**[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]]
**[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]
**[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]]

:*''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-69'''

:As a [[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]-style [[combiner]] team, the Combaticon team includes four small toys, sold carded at the $5 price point, and one large leader toy, sold boxed for $12 or so and including all the combiner [[kibble]]. They were available as part of the 1986 and 1987 assortments. In most markets, the Combaticons were only sold as individuals; the combined [[giftset]] was only available in Japan and Italy.

:Like their counterparts, the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], the four small Combaticons feature unique transformation schemes. All have attachable weapons for their vehicle modes. Posability varies from figure to figure; Brawl and Swindle have knee and "elbow" joints (their shoulder joints are halfway down their arms), but their legs are conjoined at the knees. Blast Off and Vortex feature an early use of [[ball joint]]s in their shoulders, giving them near-universal range of motion, but are otherwise similarly limited.

:Like the other three original Scramble City teams, the small limbs can attach to [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s robot mode, while the leader can be used to make an additional ramp/platform for Metroplex or [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]].

:All five Combaticons were later available as part of the [[Europe]]an ''[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]'' line in 1991.

:The Combaticon molds have been frequently redecoed (and slightly retooled) over the years; they have been used to make ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination (toyline)|Operation Combination]]'' [[Battle Gaia]], [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]], and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' Ruination. They are also a favorite for [[Knockoff|bootleg]] toy manufacturers to copy, sometimes sold with bizarre new names like [[Onslaught (G1)|Tugging Gun]], [[Swindle (G1)|Copter]], [[Blast Off (G1)|Secpmdary]], [[Onslaught (G1)|Steel Generals]], [[Blast Off (G1)|Secondary Brain]], [[Brawl (G1)|Panzer]], [[Vortex (G1)|Armament]], and [[Bruticus (G1)|Steel Hetman]].
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===''Generation 2''===
*'''Combaticons''' (1993)
**Onslaught
**Brawl
**Blast Off
**Swindle
**Vortex

:A redeco of the Generation 1 molds that looks like they just went through a paintball war... and lost. They all combine and kick Superion's behind as the big, bad, battling Bruticus.

*'''Bruticus''' (Box set, 2012)
[[File:Generationstoy-G2Bruticus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"You all laughed when I wore these colors before.
WHO'S LAUGHING NOW!?"]]
: Bruticus is a G2-styled giftset [[exclusive]] to [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] and [[BigBadToyStore]], containing [[redeco]]es of the ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'' Combaticons in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' colors with G2-style Decepticon insignia. This may be considered a tie-in to Amazon's preorder bonus for the game: a "''Generation 2''"-themed skin for Bruticus.

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===''Alternators''===
*'''Swindle''' (2004)

{{main|Swindle (G1)#Alternators}}

===''Universe'' (2008)===
*'''Onslaught''' (Legends of Cybertron, 2008)
*'''Onslaught''' (Ultra, 2008)

{{main|Onslaught (G1)#Universe (2008)}}

[[File:Universe-ROTF-toy BruticusMaximus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Bruticus Maximus''' (2008)

: The ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' Combaticons are [[redeco]]s of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Destruction Team]]. In this incarnation, Swindle is a helicopter and Blast Off is a tank, while their combined form is known as Bruticus Maximus for [[trademark]] reasons. They were only available as a Bruticus Maximus multi-pack.

: The Combaticons are identical to the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Combaticon (ROTF)|Combaticons]].
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===''United''===
*'''Bruticus Maximus''' (2012)

:Released exclusively in Takara's Asian markets, this redeco of the ''Energon'' Bruticus Maximus set has colours similar to the previous ''Universe'' (2008)/''Revenge of the Fallen'' release, but with a much greater emphasis on G1-accuracy. Additionally, the hand/feet/weapons previously cast in translucent coloured plastic are now opaque grey.

===''Kre-O''===
*'''Decepticon Bruticus''' (Micro-Changer Combiner, 2013)
**''Set number'': '''A2225'''

:One of the first ''[[Kre-O]]'' [[Micro-Changer]] combiner sets, Bruticus includes four [[Kreon]]s: [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]], [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]], [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] and [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]. These four component Kreons can be rebuilt into their alternate modes or taken apart and combined into Bruticus. While he is not included in the set, [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] was made available through the first wave of blind-bagged Micro-Changers and can be built onto Bruticus if you're feeling creative.

===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:CWBruticus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Peace]] [[Bruticus Maximus (ROTF)|at]] [[Bruticus (WFC)#Generations|last.]] [[Transformers Unite Warriors|(Just kidding.)]]]]
*'''Onslaught''' (Voyager Class, [[2016]])
*'''Decepticon Blast Off''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
*'''Brawl''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
*'''Swindle''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
*'''Decepticon Vortex''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
*'''Decepticon Shockwave''' (Legends Class, 2016)

:Designed in the "Scramble City" style, all four Deluxe Combaticons can each become either an arm or a leg, and come with double-barrelled guns that can transform into either a foot or a fist to complete the limb. The stock photography shows Blast Off and Vortex as arms and Swindle and Brawl as legs. Notably, he is the first 'classic' combiner in the [[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]] series to not have a 'replacement' member. Continuing the aforementioned theme, however, Blast Off is a jet (a redeco of [[Slingshot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Quickslinger]]) instead of a space shuttle or a tank. Shockwave transforms into the combiner robot's handheld weapon.

:Orinigally there were plans to have a running change in Onslaught's colors; initial shipments were to feature the Bruticus chest cast in silver for a Bruticus-accurate color scheme, while a tan Onslaught-accurate color scheme was also revealed. However, the tan variant never made it to retail.

:Like [[Defensor (G1)#Generations|Defensor]] before them, all four limbs were released in the same wave, making it much easier to complete a set.
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[[File:Combiner_Wars_G2_Bruticus.jpg|thumb|]]
*'''Bruticus''' (Giftset, 2016)
:A giftset featuring redecoes of all five ''Combiner Wars'' Combaticons in their ''Generation 2'' colour schemes, plus an [[Action Master]]-inspired [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Generations|Shockwave]]. Despite having ''Generation 2''-themed colors, all of the Combaticons have ''Generation 1'' insignias.
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[[File:Combiner-Wars-Special-Edition-Deluxe-Blast-Off.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Decepticon Blast Off''' (Special Edition Deluxe, [[2018]])
**''Accessories:'' Blaster, gun/fist/foot, [[The Fallen/toys#SpecialEdition|Megatronus]] [[Prime Master]]
:''Combiner Wars'' Special Edition Blast Off is a redeco of his [[#Unite Warriors 2|''Unite Warriors'' mold]], featuring a dark brown deco more accurate to his original toy (essentially, plastic colors almost identical to the original ''Combiner Wars'' jet figure), as well as Shuttler's reverse chest as compared to the ''Unite Warriors'' release. If desired, his torso can be disassembled and reassembled in the same configuration as the ''Unite Warriors'' release. As part of a trio of "Special Edition" toys celebrating the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy]]'', he is packaged in a premium window box and includes a redeco of the [[The Fallen/toys#Generations|Megatronus]] [[Prime Master]] (sans [[Bomb-Burst (G1)#Generations|Bomb-Burst]] decoy suit) cast in translucent red plastic.

:Blast Off was first publicly revealed via preorder listings on Amazon and several Asia-based toy retailers without prior announcement from Hasbro.
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===''Unite Warriors''===
[[File:TF-UW07-Bruticus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Combatron Combined Soldier Bruticus''' (giftset, [[June 25]], [[2016]])
**''ID number:'' '''UW-07'''
**''English name:'' '''Decepticon Combaticons Combiner Bruticus'''

:The ''Unite Warriors'' release of the set includes a cartoon-accurate color scheme, and a new Blast Off mold.
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==Notes==
[[File:G1OddCombat.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Floro Dery does odd things.]]
*The Generation 1 cartoon [[character model]]s for the Combaticons look ''very'' little like their toys, much like the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]]. This would seem to have spawned from [[:File:G1-Combaticon-early-patent-sketches.jpg|early patent drafts]] that featured the ''bare'' minimum of details, which were then used as the basis for the early, non-final Combaticon models (pictured at right). From there, the models were revised to the point where the finished character designs and toys had very little in common. Unlike the Stunticons, however; the finished Combaticon models ''do'' replace the original head designs with toy-accurate ones, which were likely based on the figures' [[package art]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Combatron''' (コンバットロン ''Konbattoron''), '''Combaticon''' (コンバッティコン ''Konbattikon'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Zhàn Chē Duì''' (China, 战车队, "Combat Vehicles Team")
*''French:'' '''Combatican''' (Europe, "Combaticon")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Csatarobot''' ("Battle-robot")
*''Italian:'' '''Combacticon'''
*''Portuguese:'' '''Combatantes'''
*''Russian:'' '''Boevikon''' (Боевикон, "Thrillercon")

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We need a version of this with the combined gun lying uselessly to the side. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:24, 24 February 2010 (EST)
:While we're at it, how about one on a background that's slightly less white, so we can see the ridiculous tiny head better? [[User:Pirateblue|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue|talk]]) 21:24, 13 June 2014 (EDT)

== Question- ==

While it isn't really important, I would like to know why this file is linked to do many pages. Is that she sorry if glitch? •[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 14:55, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:It's because the image is featured as part of the groupstub template. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 14:59, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::Ooooh, makes sense. Sorry to bother you. •[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 01:14, 10 September 2022 (EDT)

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ChristalIsMe:

==The GoBots That Time Forgot==
Bug Bite had a single appearance on the GoBots 'toon, and I have an okay summary of it. But... uh, where would it go, if at all? A ''GoBots Cartoon'' subheader? Or are we not getting into that kinda thing? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 00:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
: While an episode summary is not a good idea, a Trivia note on Bug Bite's role in the old GoBots cartoon (and its coincidental similarity to how he turned out in GoD) is certainly fine.
: Man, I wish we had a better main image for this page than the combined bio card... but since that's the only official art of his "first" body... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

==Parsing==
The ''Games of Deception'' preview pages parses it "Bug Bite." Hoo-ha. Can I re-redirect? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

: About to say.. wasn't it "Bug Bite" originally? I would not be remotely shocked to see it officially parsed as both two words and one (wonder what the packaging says), but if we have both and the ORIGINAL ORIGINAL is two words, I'd go with two. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Damn straight! Back to the real spelling! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:::why was it ever ''not'' bug Bite in the first place? There couldn't have been an established romanization from the e-hobby set. Mere oversight? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I assume you're asking about why this article was at Bugbite, one word? Well, it started out as two words, but the BotCon website announcement of the exclusive has it as a single word, so the article was moved to match that. (If you're actually asking why the BotCon website has it as a single word when the comic parses it as two, then yeah, probably an oversight.) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Number of Timelines Bug Bite toys made==
The Wiki entry says 1500. I assume that this comes from the number 1100 (as indicated on the "certificate of authenticity" regarding the box sets) and 400 (the number of loose sets we were told were made). Yet, the number on the certificate (1100) is at variance with both an e-mail sent by Brian Savage on May 4 (which also confirmed the number of loose sets at 400) and the notice put up at www.botcon.com on that same date, both of which said 1050 box sets were made. Naturally, this would make the total number of toys 1450. I'm inclined to believe that the certificate is in error, but if anyone has more solid information, I'd certainly welcome it.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 21:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:I'm confused as to how many Primus packages were sold this year before they sold out, since there are also the non-attendee box sets to account for. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::I certainly don't pretend to know how many are "Primus" (attendee) sets and how many are "Iacon" (non-attendee) sets, but since they're physically the same, I'm not sure it matters. There were 1050 (or 1100, depending on which source is to be believed) box sets. That's "Primus" and "Iacon" together. The 400 loose sets were available to either one, equally. "Primus" buyers weren't given preference over "Iacon" buyers on loose sets.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::It's not relevant to Bug Bite, it's just something one would like to know if they got paid the same day they stopped allowing you to buy a Primus package because the box sets were sold out. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 23:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*asks of the club forum*</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Just bringing this up again, as I don't know that it was ever resolved. I don't want to '''change''' the entry, since I don't know that the 1450 figure is any '''more''' accurate, but if we're going to state 1500, we really ought to be 100% sure that it's the right number.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::Or at least footnote how that number is being reached rather than simply asserting it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

==Profile pic==
I know it's not the first body, but is it all right if I scan the Bug Bite profile art from the Timelines comic? Someone as important as he is shouldn't have to share his profile art with five other dudes. Either that, or we should make a special case and zoom in on that corner of the art for his image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think I'd prefer the latter. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::While I appreciate Zac's effort at cropping, the art itself looks pretty bad blown up to that size. Mayhaps someone who owns the GoBots set can do a bigger scan of the card to make for a better source image? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 20:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::OH HEY I just remembered that Fun Publications asked me to draw art of First Body Bug Bite that ended up not being published. So, uh. Maybe???? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:25, 31 December 2020 (EST)
::::presuming i can find it anyway --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:27, 31 December 2020 (EST)

==Date of Bug Bite's Appearance==
Does Bug Bite's exposition or specs (I can't find my comic or his spec card) state specifically that he arrived in the TF universe shortly before the first Ark crash? If not, there were a total of three major crashes on Earth: The One 4 million years ago, the one in issue #78, and the one in G2. Since He crops up in the Classics universe that rules out the G2 crash, but wouldn't it seem a little more likely that Bug Bite showed up in 1991 rather than in 4 million BC? Assuming, of course, the timeframes of the two universes are aligned with each other.

Since the Gobots universe isn't imploding during the course of its cartoon run we can only assume that the doom of that unvierse occured after the end of its fictional run, which would appear to be around 1986.

Also, Pete Sinclair told me that it was the second crash they were referring to, so that's got author intent. I don't know how applicable a one-on-one correspondence is in that regard. --[[User:TrentTroop|Trent]]

==Earthrise cartoon coverage==
As the page stands, covering Bug Bite's exploits in the Earthrise cartoon accidentally creates a false narrative that implies the Gobots fella has once again jumped universes and become a Mercenary. While the Earthrise toy is undoubtedly representative of the club fiction character (I think initial ad copy called him out as such?), as far as I know there's no evidence that the ER fiction also presents him as a hidden Renegade. The way I see it is that there's two options here. First is the creation of a Bug Bite (G1) page that covers the ER cartoon and toy, much like the various High Moon game-inspired toys are on both G1 and Aligned character pages. The alternative to this is a rewrite of this page to be similar to the various Targetmaster pages that cover the character broadly while acknowledging varying origins, i.e. "In some universes Bug Bite is a Gobot refugee, in others he is a Cybertronian Mercenary".

My chief concern if no action is taken is that it creates a dangerous precedence for making similar assumptions, like stating that Crasher in the recent IDW2 comics is also a Gobot refugee, or adding notes to the Unspace episodes of Cyberverse positing that it must take place Pre-Shroud due to multiversal travel taking place. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 09:49, 1 January 2021 (EST)
:We have different Cy-Kill pages for G1 and GoBots Cy-Kills. What makes Bug Bite any different? [[User:Planned Planethood|Voxel]] ([[User talk:Planned Planethood|talk]]) 10:01, 1 January 2021 (EST)
::Earthrise Bug Bite isn't a universe-travelling GoBot and therefore is from a different continuity family. That's the straightforward logic that's been maintained on this wiki for more than a decade. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:31, 1 January 2021 (EST)
:::I personally believe that a separate page should be made. As Saix said, the character is clearly from a different continuity and origin, as there are no ties to the Earthrise version having any prior GoBot affiliation. Unless something is mentioned in Kingdom that indicates he's the same guy or a creator is able to come out and give us some form of author's intent as closure, I feel he should be treated separately until further notice. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 15:51, 1 January 2021 (EST)
::::IMO, Earthrise Bug Bite stands apart from, say, Cy-Kill and Crasher and people making IDW appearances, due to him being a new version of the "GoBot Bug Bite disguised as a Transformer" toy. We merged G1 Sky-Byte and RID01 Sky-Byte, for example, because it was silly to have some Sky-Byte G1 stories on one page and other Sky-Byte G1 stories on another page, based on the happenstance of whether the story was from the US or Japan. It seems similarly silly to split appearances of "Bug Bite the white G1 Bumblebee" based on the happenstance of what their backstory is. We don't split out the robotic Targetmasters from Ladybird Books or whatever, this seems like the exact same situation to me? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:07, 1 January 2021 (EST)
:::::I'm 100% with Jalaguy here. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:08, 1 January 2021 (EST)
I'm for the split to keep it consistent with Crasher and Cy-Kill but if that doesn't happen, the page has to change bc it absolutely reads off that he decided to disguise himself as a Cybertronian mercenary [[User:Notsoalex|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notsoalex|talk]]) 16:22, 1 January 2021 (EST)
:Agreed, it's almost relying too much on fanfiction and speculation to make everything marry up, which really doesn't work too great. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:03, 1 January 2021 (EST)
::I still stand by the split, but I just thought of something else we may want to factor in. Movie Landmine is stated to be from Cybertronian origins in some fiction while others make him an AllSpark Mutation, yet both are still listed on the page as the same guy despite completely different origins. Also, toy bios sometimes differ heavily from fiction too but are still listed on the same pages. These are possibly irrelevant comparisons, but just a little something that I think should be taken into consideration when making final judgement. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:43, 1 January 2021 (EST)
::::The species in itself isn’t relevant here. It’s that GoBots are from another continuity family as determined by wiki categorization and we’ve always split based on that, regardless of similarity in design and characterization. IDW Knock Out, all of the one-off BWU reuses, etc. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:50, 1 January 2021 (EST)
:::::I would argue that (a) not all continuity families were created equal - GoBots is a fundamentally different beast in the context of Transformers than G1 or UT or whatever - and (b) the wiki made up continuity families anyway, so we don't have to be beholden to them.
:::::IMO the fact that Bug Bite is a GoBot helps make it a different situation to IDW Knock Out or whatever. He's an outside crossover character. If tomorrow there was a new Spider-Man/G1 Transformers crossover, and Spider-Man was explicitly shown to come through a portal from Earth-616, would we put him on a different page to the Marvel and IDW Spider-Men, who are shown as native inhabitants of the G1 universes they appear in? No, because that would be silly and pedantic! I sincerely believe the same logic applies here, and that splitting "G1 GoBot" Bug Bite (i.e. the specific thing of a white G1 Bumblebee called Bug Bite) based on backstory is also silly and pedantic. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 05:28, 2 January 2021 (EST)
::::::On the other hand, Bug Bite originally ''was'' just a white Bumblebee, named after a GoBots character as a reference; it wasn't until the BotCon story three years later that they turned the name reference into an explicit crossover by making him ACTUALLY the GoBot he was named for. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:21, 2 January 2021 (EST)
:::::::Would that not ''support'' Jala's point? (And that's not true, the "dimension hopping GoBot" lore dates back to the e-Hobby set.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:17, 2 January 2021 (EST)
::::::::I mean, it's not UNtrue. The actual final toy set is purposefully vague about character details. It basically just says "yeah these six are from another dimension and took Transformer forms to blend in." None of the characters are named anywhere; the names came from ONE single photoshopped preproduction piece that was deleted before the set was released. Really, the only thing that implies they're Tonka/HB GoBots before the FP fiction is that the set was named "Gobots" and uh... that was a name already used twice before in G1-based TF. Which I... think the bio card even implied these were where the G2 Go-Bots got their origin... but anyway, again I 100% agree with Jalaguy said. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:15, 2 January 2021 (EST)
To go off of Jalaguy's statement about the Spider-Man thing, that comparison doesn't work. Spider-Man will always be listed on a single page on TFWiki due to him always going to be a crossover character. He is a Marvel superhero first, despite any cameos he makes and whether he already existed in that universe. G.I. Joe characters would fit into that category also. I'm sure we can agree that at this point GoBots have more or less lost their crossover status in the Transformers brand. That's not to say there aren't still GoBots that are crossover characters, but most uses of GoBots now are just the names and designs being reassigned to create new Transformers characters. What we're dealing with here is a crossover character who hopped dimensions into a G1 Transformers continuity, while the other is a Transformers character from a G1 continuity. Other than the physical appearance being that of what appeared in the e-Hobby and Club fiction based on the original repaints, there is nothing else connecting the two. I feel a more appropriate comparison to counter your point would be RID 2001 Optimus Prime appearing in the Cybertron comic. They both have the same name, they both share similar design cues, they both turn into fire trucks, they were both released in the Cybertron toyline and one also crossed from his home continuity into a Cybertron continuity, therefore making them both Optimus Prime's existing in the same continuity family. Despite them both having entirely different origins, they both appeared in Cybertron fiction and the toyline, so going by the Bug Bite logic wouldn't that mean those Optimus Prime pages should be merged too? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 08:34, 3 January 2021 (EST)

For reference, here's the original bio card from the G1 GoBots set, from Soundwave's Oblivion:

"These are the first group of robots on Cybertron to call themselves ”Gobots." Equipped with completely standard outward appearances and transformation functions of transformers, they are, in fact, undercover operatives of a species that came from a completely different universe. They are a special-duties unit comprised of initially opposing powers who joined forces to save their brethren from a crisis threatening to destroy their home world. Even as they conduct such secret activities on Seibertron as intelligence-gathering, diplomacy, and dimensional interference experiments, they have brought technologies such as their distinctive transporter devices and biomechanical engineering to this world, contributing to the birth of new generations of transformers like the Spychangers."

So it is clear that the the intention was always that they were GoBots of the Tonka variety, even with the names removed, with the mention of "opposing powers," "distinctive transporter devices," and "biomechanical engineering." [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:17, 3 January 2021 (EST)

==Earthrise cartoon coverage part 2==
Since the last discussion had gotten pretty long, I thought I would start fresh here.

I happened to be browsing the Generations Selects listings that are still up on Hasbro Pulse for wiki-related info (obviously not for the toys, as most of you know I'm from New Zealand, so the website is practically useless to me). Anyways, I happened to notice [https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-generations-selects-deluxe-wfc-gs16-bug-bite Bug Bite's listing] mentions him being based off of the WFC Trilogy cartoon character and makes no mention of his previous incarnations from BotCon (or GoBots) like most GS listings on Pulse tend to (e.g. [https://hasbropulse.com/collections/generations/products/transformers-generations-selects-voyager-wfc-gs26-artfire-nightstick Artfire] or [https://hasbropulse.com/collections/generations/products/transformers-generations-selects-voyager-wfc-gs24-ramjet G2 Ramjet]). Further, much like the linked examples, it doesn't even mention the colour inspiration from the BotCon or e-Hobby toys. If you look through all of the other Hasbro GS listings that are still up, the recurring theme is always to include a history behind the characters; a description of who the character is and the significance behind them that makes them a "special edition" toy (whether it be the original toys being Japanese exclusive, an unreleased deco or just the first new version of the character since the 80s/90s).

Basically what I'm trying to say here is that Hasbro appears to be treating this as an entirely new character, rather than a different version or interpretation of an existing character, which seems rather plausible, since this Bug Bite is a Transformer NOT a GoBot. The TakaraTomy [https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-takara-tomy-generations-selects-tt-gs12-soundblaster-hasbro-pulse-exclusive Soundblaster listing] also makes mention of him being more or less a new version of the same individual from the Dreamwave comics (likely due to our categorizing and the similar origins) and doesn't mention the Japanese Soundblaster origins at all.

'''The tl;dr of all of this:''' with the information given to us, it seems pretty clear that Hasbro interprets this as a new individual and has made absolutely no attempt to even connect the two concepts, which to me, is pretty much no different to [[Barricade (G1)]] and [[Barricade (IDW)]]. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 04:00, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
:I feel like Hasbro is the kind of company that ''wouldn't'' want to say "We based this toy off the look of a character who originated from outside of Transformers in one of our former competitor's lines and was later brought into Transformers through sneaky means" and so just chose to ''not'' give Bug Bite's listing any sort of character history ''because'' of how unorthodox his history really is. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 10:52, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
::They could have still made mention of the e-Hobby or BotCon toys while ignoring the GoBots side of things, but they didn't, and it's not like Hasbro to not make mention of their (or Takara's) older products to some degree, especially when that has always been the case with the other listings. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:23, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
:::No, Sabrblade's likely correct. It's way more likely than Hasbro thinking they're passing off a new character. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:15, 30 May 2021 (EDT)

==Split==
Alright, now we're covering more honest-to-god yellow GoBot Bug Bite material... [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:23, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:I'm tentatively not opposed in the long run, but I'd like to get one more fictional appearance of not-supposed-to-be-a-GoBot Bug Bite first. One deviation from the norm can be chalked up as an exception; two or more is a pattern and easier to build an argument for a split. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:47, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

==Main pic==
Shouldn't his main pic still be the eHobby art? That was his first body within any TF merchandise or continuity. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:32, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:Our official policy, to my knowledge, is "the appearance used for a character's first toy takes priority", except for in exceptional cases like The Fallen. Bugbite's first toy was the GoBot, even if it wasn't in the Transformers toyline. Plus it just makes sense. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:41, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
::In that case [[Matt Trakker]] would be white and [[Rom]] would be his 1970s character model. We go by their order-of-release-within-TFs appearance. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:45, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:::Trakker isn't white and Rom isn't 70s in their Transformers appearances. As Scioli's Go-Bots is a Transformers story AND Bugbite there is based on his original toy design, that's the version that gets the mainpic. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:54, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
::::Bug Bite was the white Bumblebee in TF appearances for over a decade before the Scioli book - it is chronologically his first release within the TF universe. Otherwise we might as well make BW Megatron's main pic be any of his flashback bodies (Darksyde, TM3). That is never how we have worked. If Bug Bite from the FP stories is going to share a page with RR/Scioli Bug Bite, then the former should get the main pic. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:02, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:::::Again, *first toy*, something which doesn't apply to your Megatron examples; you'd have been better served suggesting he be an alligator as a counterargument. And even then, [[Help:Ignore all standards|our own help documentation]] suggests common sense should rule in situations where our existing standards only serve to confuse the issue, hence why Megs isn't shown as an alligator. And as far as I'm concerned, common sense dictates that GoBots should look like GoBots. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:10, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
::::::Common sense says 2004 came before 2018 and that three white Bumblebee toys are more than the zero yellow Bandai VWs ever released as Transformers by Hasbro or Takara. Those same help docs emphasize "avoiding confusion." How does it avoid confusion to highlight the body that Transformers Bug Bite used last, and for the least amount of time? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:24, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

I agree with using the original body. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:36, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:Obviously, I agree with Cyberlink. If nothing else, this allows both bodies to be near the top of the article as opposed to scrolling down to the end of the page to see Bug Bite's ''actual'' appearance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:36, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
::Seems legit to me. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 19:30, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:While White Bumblebee Bug Bite is certainly an iconic look by now and used prominently, using the original bodies for all the GoBots is the best way to have consistency for their mainpics without resorting to funpub virtual redecos for everyone except the 5 guys from the Takara minibot pack.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 19:57, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

== Split Part 2 ==

Yep, it's time to revisit this. And now that Cyberverse Bug Bite exists and proves Hasbro is just going to use the name for all white Bumblebee decos going forward regardless of GoBot origins, it makes more sense than ever to just split the non-GoBot stuff off than wring our hands over whether it's "close enough". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:55, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:I agree [[User:Kiddiecraft|Kiddiecraft]]
:100%. This article is trying to tread the line between two different characters (especially now that more GoBots content has been added since then) and it's not working. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:59, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:Bug Bites is the same. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 13:00, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:I support a split. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:03, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:I also support spliting the article. Cyberverse Bug Bite really cements that the WFC Merc should be spun off into a separate article. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 13:09, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:Split. "Actually a GoBot disguised as a Transformer" should be as distinguishing as "Shattered Glass," in terms of something that ''can't'' merge into another origin. ''Though I still say the main pic for GoBots Bug Bite should be reverted to the eHobby / Fun Pub body''. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:36, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
::Well maybe not (SG), as [[Shattered Expectations (SG)|Shattered Expectations]] introduced a heroic Shattered Glass Bug Bite, that looked exactly like regular Bug Bite.—[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 13:40, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:::No, not literally SG Bug Bite. Thy is saying how trying to work the GoBot and Cybertronian backstories into a single page is like trying to have a character and their SG counterpart on the same page; they're just not compatible. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:43, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
::::Kingdom Road Ranger's toy description also explicitly mentions ''GoBots'', while Selects Bug Bite's didn't. At first it seemed because Hasbro didn't want to mention ''GoBots'', but since they did with Road Ranger, we might as well let Selects Bug Bite be his own guy. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:02, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:::::I'd still leave the Selects toy here for informative purposes, though. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:31, 6 November 2021 (EDT)

I ''still'' agree with the split, and just for reference here are some things that make Bug Bite stand out more as a special case when compared to Road Ranger and other potential GoBot reuses:

*'''[https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-generations-war-for-cybertron-golden-disk-collection-chapter-1-autobot-road-ranger-and-autobot-puffer Road Ranger marketing material and product description:]'''
:''The quantum surge causes a time vortex, intercepting the GoBot Road Ranger and the Autobots Pipes and Huffer, pulling them through time and space.''

:''Autobot Road Ranger, the GoBot you were waiting for, and Autobot Puffer figures convert into their truck modes in 15 and 16 steps. Autobot Road Ranger comes with blaster and shield accessories, features deco based on his 2004 GoBots release.''

*'''[https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-generations-selects-deluxe-wfc-gs16-bug-bite Bug Bite's product description:]'''
:''This special edition WFC-GS16 Bug Bite figure is inspired by the mercenary from the Transformers War for Cybertron Netflix series, complete with the official mercenary faction logo.''

It seems pretty clear now in my eyes that Bug Bite was always intended to be a Mercenary and not the same character as the GoBot. A previous conversation I started [[#Earthrise cartoon coverage part 2|further up on this page]] had people suggesting that Hasbro was possibly wary about mentioning the GoBots origin and the e-HOBBY and BotCon toys in the toy/character's history like they do with the other GS toys, but since Road Ranger's reveal, my theory seems to hold some truth to it, as Hasbro is definitely not affraid to mention Road Ranger being a GoBot or the fact that he's based on his e-HOBBY toy. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:12, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:Any further opinions on this? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:35, 10 November 2021 (EST)
::I'm anti-split, IMO all "Bug Bite the white G1 Bumblebee appearing in a G1 story" stuff should be on the same page to avoid complicating things, with Cybertronian versus GoBotronian origin treated as interchangeable backstory stuff a la human versus robot Targetmasters or whatever. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:32, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:::I was shruggy-whatever-who-cares about the idea of a split following this Cyberverse information, but Jalaguy has convinced me it's not necessary, so long as we marginalize the GoBot origin more. It can be a sometimes thing rather than First Thing You Learn. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:43, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:::(Because honestly, my objection to the split earlier was less about GOBOT and more about Hey It's All A G1-Continuity Family BugBite Guy, They Probably All Belong Here.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2021 (EST)
::::I don't see why this is any different a case from the multiple Cy-Kill or Crasher pages, especially when we have examples like Road Ranger where Hasbro is still explicitly calling some characters GoBots. Like, let's just make two articles, have them link back and forth where relevant (see: [[Alchemist Prime#Cyberverse cartoon]]), and call it a day. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:01, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:::::The thing is, the e-HOBBY toys were conceived as explicitly ''not'' G1-continuity guys (heck, not even ''Transformers'' guys, period) merely pretending to be. Same with the BotCon toy. Both were toys of an external-property character wearing bodies that were built to the specs of making him merely ''look'' like he could blend in as a G1 guy. While, in mind/heart/soul, he was not a G1 guy. We're pretty much arguing between body vs. soul at this point.
:::::To give a comparison, IDW1 Knock Out had the same body as his Prime counterpart, yet we gave him his own article because his soul's world of origin was different. Likewise, the Bug Bite who merely pretends to look like a G1 guy by wearing a body built to make him look like a G1 guy does ''not'' have a G1 world of origin; his is a Tonka-based world. Yet, the Bug Bite from the WFCT cartoon has a G1 world of origin from all that we can tell about him, and Hasbro specifically avoided making any mention of GoBots in their product description for his Selects toy, while explicitly name-dropping GoBots for the new toy of Road Ranger that's likewise decoed to homage his own e-HOBBY toy.
:::::WFCT Bug Bite is basically a continuity transplant of GoBots "not-G1" Bug Bite like how IDW Knock Out is of Prime Knock Out. And any future G1 Bug Bites whose designs are based on the e-HOBBY toy but who have no ties to GoBots will be as well. (I've no objection to linking the two articles back and forth.) --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:47, 10 November 2021 (EST)

My thoughts on this is that traditionally for external franchises like G.I. Joe and so on, when a character pops up in Transformers, they get one page even if they appear in multiple continuity families because it makes sense. They're coming from "outside" Transformers. That's how we've been treating GoBots so far, however the lines are now blurring. GoBots is starting to be integrated into Transformers, so we have cases like this one where we literally have Bug Bite popping up as a Transformer. If we're continuing to treat GoBots as a non-TF franchise, keeping this all on the same page makes sense to me though I'd argue if that's the case, we ought to merge in [[Bug Bite (Cyberverse)]]. If we're treating GoBots as a Transformers franchise, then keeping GoBots Bug Bite and Mercenary Bug Bite on the same page is suggesting that GoBots is part of the G1 continuity family. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:04, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:As well, Cyberlink420's point above that we're already treating Cy-Kill, Crasher, etc as having separate GoBots and G1 versions separately very much indicates to me that we should be splitting this article for consistency. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:32, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:: I [[User:Cyberlink420/sandbox‎2|made]] [[User:Cyberlink420/sandbox‎|drafts]]. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:56, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:::At first I looked at this and kind of shrugged and didn't care, but then Sabrblade and abates made really solid arguments. I think something like Cyberlink's sandboxes is probably the way to go. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:54, 10 November 2021 (EST)
Total so far: 10 for, 3 against. I think consensus is clear and the split should happen tonight or tomorrow, barring any more input. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:01, 11 November 2021 (EST)

== Main pic 2 ==

Being perfectly honest I no longer agree with using the Scioli pic, Hasbro isn't going to relase a toy based on this design and the white Bug Bite is the most prominent body in TF fiction. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:27, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:Using the Scioli picture blatantly violates our first-body standard. It doesn't even match the other FP GoBots. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:37, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::I'm not gonna fight for it, but I agree that using the e-HOBBY/"G1 GoBot" bodies for the mainpic is preferable. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:00, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::: I 100% agree. In fact, I've always found it strange that we use the Go-Bot body instead of the white Bee.•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:16, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::::Isn't the white Bumblebee look explicitly a disguise on Bug Bite's part? Per Withered Hope, it sounds like his "first body" is a match for the Super GoBot toy/Scioli design. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 11:41, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::::: Exactly. As the eHobby body is ''explicitly'' stated to be a disguise the character is wearing (but with a pic of it still positioned near the top anyway) and the Scioli design is derived from the original ''GoBots'' toy (thereby technically being based on the *actual* first body), it makes the most sense to use. (And honestly, I'm tired of us retreading the same old GoBots stuff every five minutes. It hasn't even been a full year since the LAST Bug Bite mainpic discussion.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:47, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::::::Literally every TF body we depict is a disguise. They all look that way because they scanned something. There's always some obscure, short-lived "pre-body" - there certainly were for the entire Beast Wars cast, both in episode 1, Bad Spark, Deep Metal, to say nothing of years-later retcons like DOFP. We still stick with the first depicted main bodies. Yellow VW Bug Bite didn't even exist in-universe at the time for us to have shown it. As for being tired of stuff, I'd like it if there were less of a tendency to unilaterally switching things and then having people argue on the merits only after it's done, which is how we got to this precise matter. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:58, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:::::::Okay, there was PLENTY of discussion on this last go around, and it went in favour of making the Transformers Bug Bite page have a Transformers mainpic, and have the GoBots page have a GoBots pic. I see no reason to change that. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 12:32, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:::::: Since the eHobby boddy is near the top of the page, ig it doesn't matter, but White Bee is his most used body ''in transformers '', so it makes sense to me for it to be the main image. In fact, he had never had a Transformers toy in his original GoBot forme. •[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:51, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
What Cyber said. Can we not litigate GoBots ''yet again'' because people brought up consensus decisions they didn't like in another discussion unrelated to this? Edge cases like GoBots and Diaclone are going to have inconsistent consensus conclusions because those kinds of things should be decided on a case by case basis, and we need to get over it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:14, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:I have no skin in the GoBot game but as hesitant as I am to wade in, I must agree with Cyberlink and Saix that reviving this hot-button topic when the character has had no new appearances between now and the previous mainpic discussion is very difficult to see as anything other a waste of community time and resources -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:49, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:: Eh, you'd be right there. We should just move on.•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 13:57, 9 September 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Bug Bite (GoBots)

2022-09-09T15:51:33Z

ChristalIsMe:

==The GoBots That Time Forgot==
Bug Bite had a single appearance on the GoBots 'toon, and I have an okay summary of it. But... uh, where would it go, if at all? A ''GoBots Cartoon'' subheader? Or are we not getting into that kinda thing? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 00:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
: While an episode summary is not a good idea, a Trivia note on Bug Bite's role in the old GoBots cartoon (and its coincidental similarity to how he turned out in GoD) is certainly fine.
: Man, I wish we had a better main image for this page than the combined bio card... but since that's the only official art of his "first" body... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

==Parsing==
The ''Games of Deception'' preview pages parses it "Bug Bite." Hoo-ha. Can I re-redirect? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

: About to say.. wasn't it "Bug Bite" originally? I would not be remotely shocked to see it officially parsed as both two words and one (wonder what the packaging says), but if we have both and the ORIGINAL ORIGINAL is two words, I'd go with two. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Damn straight! Back to the real spelling! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:::why was it ever ''not'' bug Bite in the first place? There couldn't have been an established romanization from the e-hobby set. Mere oversight? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I assume you're asking about why this article was at Bugbite, one word? Well, it started out as two words, but the BotCon website announcement of the exclusive has it as a single word, so the article was moved to match that. (If you're actually asking why the BotCon website has it as a single word when the comic parses it as two, then yeah, probably an oversight.) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

==Number of Timelines Bug Bite toys made==
The Wiki entry says 1500. I assume that this comes from the number 1100 (as indicated on the "certificate of authenticity" regarding the box sets) and 400 (the number of loose sets we were told were made). Yet, the number on the certificate (1100) is at variance with both an e-mail sent by Brian Savage on May 4 (which also confirmed the number of loose sets at 400) and the notice put up at www.botcon.com on that same date, both of which said 1050 box sets were made. Naturally, this would make the total number of toys 1450. I'm inclined to believe that the certificate is in error, but if anyone has more solid information, I'd certainly welcome it.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 21:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:I'm confused as to how many Primus packages were sold this year before they sold out, since there are also the non-attendee box sets to account for. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::I certainly don't pretend to know how many are "Primus" (attendee) sets and how many are "Iacon" (non-attendee) sets, but since they're physically the same, I'm not sure it matters. There were 1050 (or 1100, depending on which source is to be believed) box sets. That's "Primus" and "Iacon" together. The 400 loose sets were available to either one, equally. "Primus" buyers weren't given preference over "Iacon" buyers on loose sets.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::It's not relevant to Bug Bite, it's just something one would like to know if they got paid the same day they stopped allowing you to buy a Primus package because the box sets were sold out. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 23:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*asks of the club forum*</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Just bringing this up again, as I don't know that it was ever resolved. I don't want to '''change''' the entry, since I don't know that the 1450 figure is any '''more''' accurate, but if we're going to state 1500, we really ought to be 100% sure that it's the right number.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::Or at least footnote how that number is being reached rather than simply asserting it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

==Profile pic==
I know it's not the first body, but is it all right if I scan the Bug Bite profile art from the Timelines comic? Someone as important as he is shouldn't have to share his profile art with five other dudes. Either that, or we should make a special case and zoom in on that corner of the art for his image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think I'd prefer the latter. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::While I appreciate Zac's effort at cropping, the art itself looks pretty bad blown up to that size. Mayhaps someone who owns the GoBots set can do a bigger scan of the card to make for a better source image? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 20:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
:::OH HEY I just remembered that Fun Publications asked me to draw art of First Body Bug Bite that ended up not being published. So, uh. Maybe???? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:25, 31 December 2020 (EST)
::::presuming i can find it anyway --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:27, 31 December 2020 (EST)

==Date of Bug Bite's Appearance==
Does Bug Bite's exposition or specs (I can't find my comic or his spec card) state specifically that he arrived in the TF universe shortly before the first Ark crash? If not, there were a total of three major crashes on Earth: The One 4 million years ago, the one in issue #78, and the one in G2. Since He crops up in the Classics universe that rules out the G2 crash, but wouldn't it seem a little more likely that Bug Bite showed up in 1991 rather than in 4 million BC? Assuming, of course, the timeframes of the two universes are aligned with each other.

Since the Gobots universe isn't imploding during the course of its cartoon run we can only assume that the doom of that unvierse occured after the end of its fictional run, which would appear to be around 1986.

Also, Pete Sinclair told me that it was the second crash they were referring to, so that's got author intent. I don't know how applicable a one-on-one correspondence is in that regard. --[[User:TrentTroop|Trent]]

==Earthrise cartoon coverage==
As the page stands, covering Bug Bite's exploits in the Earthrise cartoon accidentally creates a false narrative that implies the Gobots fella has once again jumped universes and become a Mercenary. While the Earthrise toy is undoubtedly representative of the club fiction character (I think initial ad copy called him out as such?), as far as I know there's no evidence that the ER fiction also presents him as a hidden Renegade. The way I see it is that there's two options here. First is the creation of a Bug Bite (G1) page that covers the ER cartoon and toy, much like the various High Moon game-inspired toys are on both G1 and Aligned character pages. The alternative to this is a rewrite of this page to be similar to the various Targetmaster pages that cover the character broadly while acknowledging varying origins, i.e. "In some universes Bug Bite is a Gobot refugee, in others he is a Cybertronian Mercenary".

My chief concern if no action is taken is that it creates a dangerous precedence for making similar assumptions, like stating that Crasher in the recent IDW2 comics is also a Gobot refugee, or adding notes to the Unspace episodes of Cyberverse positing that it must take place Pre-Shroud due to multiversal travel taking place. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 09:49, 1 January 2021 (EST)
:We have different Cy-Kill pages for G1 and GoBots Cy-Kills. What makes Bug Bite any different? [[User:Planned Planethood|Voxel]] ([[User talk:Planned Planethood|talk]]) 10:01, 1 January 2021 (EST)
::Earthrise Bug Bite isn't a universe-travelling GoBot and therefore is from a different continuity family. That's the straightforward logic that's been maintained on this wiki for more than a decade. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:31, 1 January 2021 (EST)
:::I personally believe that a separate page should be made. As Saix said, the character is clearly from a different continuity and origin, as there are no ties to the Earthrise version having any prior GoBot affiliation. Unless something is mentioned in Kingdom that indicates he's the same guy or a creator is able to come out and give us some form of author's intent as closure, I feel he should be treated separately until further notice. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 15:51, 1 January 2021 (EST)
::::IMO, Earthrise Bug Bite stands apart from, say, Cy-Kill and Crasher and people making IDW appearances, due to him being a new version of the "GoBot Bug Bite disguised as a Transformer" toy. We merged G1 Sky-Byte and RID01 Sky-Byte, for example, because it was silly to have some Sky-Byte G1 stories on one page and other Sky-Byte G1 stories on another page, based on the happenstance of whether the story was from the US or Japan. It seems similarly silly to split appearances of "Bug Bite the white G1 Bumblebee" based on the happenstance of what their backstory is. We don't split out the robotic Targetmasters from Ladybird Books or whatever, this seems like the exact same situation to me? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:07, 1 January 2021 (EST)
:::::I'm 100% with Jalaguy here. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:08, 1 January 2021 (EST)
I'm for the split to keep it consistent with Crasher and Cy-Kill but if that doesn't happen, the page has to change bc it absolutely reads off that he decided to disguise himself as a Cybertronian mercenary [[User:Notsoalex|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notsoalex|talk]]) 16:22, 1 January 2021 (EST)
:Agreed, it's almost relying too much on fanfiction and speculation to make everything marry up, which really doesn't work too great. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:03, 1 January 2021 (EST)
::I still stand by the split, but I just thought of something else we may want to factor in. Movie Landmine is stated to be from Cybertronian origins in some fiction while others make him an AllSpark Mutation, yet both are still listed on the page as the same guy despite completely different origins. Also, toy bios sometimes differ heavily from fiction too but are still listed on the same pages. These are possibly irrelevant comparisons, but just a little something that I think should be taken into consideration when making final judgement. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:43, 1 January 2021 (EST)
::::The species in itself isn’t relevant here. It’s that GoBots are from another continuity family as determined by wiki categorization and we’ve always split based on that, regardless of similarity in design and characterization. IDW Knock Out, all of the one-off BWU reuses, etc. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:50, 1 January 2021 (EST)
:::::I would argue that (a) not all continuity families were created equal - GoBots is a fundamentally different beast in the context of Transformers than G1 or UT or whatever - and (b) the wiki made up continuity families anyway, so we don't have to be beholden to them.
:::::IMO the fact that Bug Bite is a GoBot helps make it a different situation to IDW Knock Out or whatever. He's an outside crossover character. If tomorrow there was a new Spider-Man/G1 Transformers crossover, and Spider-Man was explicitly shown to come through a portal from Earth-616, would we put him on a different page to the Marvel and IDW Spider-Men, who are shown as native inhabitants of the G1 universes they appear in? No, because that would be silly and pedantic! I sincerely believe the same logic applies here, and that splitting "G1 GoBot" Bug Bite (i.e. the specific thing of a white G1 Bumblebee called Bug Bite) based on backstory is also silly and pedantic. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 05:28, 2 January 2021 (EST)
::::::On the other hand, Bug Bite originally ''was'' just a white Bumblebee, named after a GoBots character as a reference; it wasn't until the BotCon story three years later that they turned the name reference into an explicit crossover by making him ACTUALLY the GoBot he was named for. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:21, 2 January 2021 (EST)
:::::::Would that not ''support'' Jala's point? (And that's not true, the "dimension hopping GoBot" lore dates back to the e-Hobby set.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:17, 2 January 2021 (EST)
::::::::I mean, it's not UNtrue. The actual final toy set is purposefully vague about character details. It basically just says "yeah these six are from another dimension and took Transformer forms to blend in." None of the characters are named anywhere; the names came from ONE single photoshopped preproduction piece that was deleted before the set was released. Really, the only thing that implies they're Tonka/HB GoBots before the FP fiction is that the set was named "Gobots" and uh... that was a name already used twice before in G1-based TF. Which I... think the bio card even implied these were where the G2 Go-Bots got their origin... but anyway, again I 100% agree with Jalaguy said. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:15, 2 January 2021 (EST)
To go off of Jalaguy's statement about the Spider-Man thing, that comparison doesn't work. Spider-Man will always be listed on a single page on TFWiki due to him always going to be a crossover character. He is a Marvel superhero first, despite any cameos he makes and whether he already existed in that universe. G.I. Joe characters would fit into that category also. I'm sure we can agree that at this point GoBots have more or less lost their crossover status in the Transformers brand. That's not to say there aren't still GoBots that are crossover characters, but most uses of GoBots now are just the names and designs being reassigned to create new Transformers characters. What we're dealing with here is a crossover character who hopped dimensions into a G1 Transformers continuity, while the other is a Transformers character from a G1 continuity. Other than the physical appearance being that of what appeared in the e-Hobby and Club fiction based on the original repaints, there is nothing else connecting the two. I feel a more appropriate comparison to counter your point would be RID 2001 Optimus Prime appearing in the Cybertron comic. They both have the same name, they both share similar design cues, they both turn into fire trucks, they were both released in the Cybertron toyline and one also crossed from his home continuity into a Cybertron continuity, therefore making them both Optimus Prime's existing in the same continuity family. Despite them both having entirely different origins, they both appeared in Cybertron fiction and the toyline, so going by the Bug Bite logic wouldn't that mean those Optimus Prime pages should be merged too? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 08:34, 3 January 2021 (EST)

For reference, here's the original bio card from the G1 GoBots set, from Soundwave's Oblivion:

"These are the first group of robots on Cybertron to call themselves ”Gobots." Equipped with completely standard outward appearances and transformation functions of transformers, they are, in fact, undercover operatives of a species that came from a completely different universe. They are a special-duties unit comprised of initially opposing powers who joined forces to save their brethren from a crisis threatening to destroy their home world. Even as they conduct such secret activities on Seibertron as intelligence-gathering, diplomacy, and dimensional interference experiments, they have brought technologies such as their distinctive transporter devices and biomechanical engineering to this world, contributing to the birth of new generations of transformers like the Spychangers."

So it is clear that the the intention was always that they were GoBots of the Tonka variety, even with the names removed, with the mention of "opposing powers," "distinctive transporter devices," and "biomechanical engineering." [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:17, 3 January 2021 (EST)

==Earthrise cartoon coverage part 2==
Since the last discussion had gotten pretty long, I thought I would start fresh here.

I happened to be browsing the Generations Selects listings that are still up on Hasbro Pulse for wiki-related info (obviously not for the toys, as most of you know I'm from New Zealand, so the website is practically useless to me). Anyways, I happened to notice [https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-generations-selects-deluxe-wfc-gs16-bug-bite Bug Bite's listing] mentions him being based off of the WFC Trilogy cartoon character and makes no mention of his previous incarnations from BotCon (or GoBots) like most GS listings on Pulse tend to (e.g. [https://hasbropulse.com/collections/generations/products/transformers-generations-selects-voyager-wfc-gs26-artfire-nightstick Artfire] or [https://hasbropulse.com/collections/generations/products/transformers-generations-selects-voyager-wfc-gs24-ramjet G2 Ramjet]). Further, much like the linked examples, it doesn't even mention the colour inspiration from the BotCon or e-Hobby toys. If you look through all of the other Hasbro GS listings that are still up, the recurring theme is always to include a history behind the characters; a description of who the character is and the significance behind them that makes them a "special edition" toy (whether it be the original toys being Japanese exclusive, an unreleased deco or just the first new version of the character since the 80s/90s).

Basically what I'm trying to say here is that Hasbro appears to be treating this as an entirely new character, rather than a different version or interpretation of an existing character, which seems rather plausible, since this Bug Bite is a Transformer NOT a GoBot. The TakaraTomy [https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-takara-tomy-generations-selects-tt-gs12-soundblaster-hasbro-pulse-exclusive Soundblaster listing] also makes mention of him being more or less a new version of the same individual from the Dreamwave comics (likely due to our categorizing and the similar origins) and doesn't mention the Japanese Soundblaster origins at all.

'''The tl;dr of all of this:''' with the information given to us, it seems pretty clear that Hasbro interprets this as a new individual and has made absolutely no attempt to even connect the two concepts, which to me, is pretty much no different to [[Barricade (G1)]] and [[Barricade (IDW)]]. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 04:00, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
:I feel like Hasbro is the kind of company that ''wouldn't'' want to say "We based this toy off the look of a character who originated from outside of Transformers in one of our former competitor's lines and was later brought into Transformers through sneaky means" and so just chose to ''not'' give Bug Bite's listing any sort of character history ''because'' of how unorthodox his history really is. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 10:52, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
::They could have still made mention of the e-Hobby or BotCon toys while ignoring the GoBots side of things, but they didn't, and it's not like Hasbro to not make mention of their (or Takara's) older products to some degree, especially when that has always been the case with the other listings. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:23, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
:::No, Sabrblade's likely correct. It's way more likely than Hasbro thinking they're passing off a new character. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:15, 30 May 2021 (EDT)

==Split==
Alright, now we're covering more honest-to-god yellow GoBot Bug Bite material... [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:23, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:I'm tentatively not opposed in the long run, but I'd like to get one more fictional appearance of not-supposed-to-be-a-GoBot Bug Bite first. One deviation from the norm can be chalked up as an exception; two or more is a pattern and easier to build an argument for a split. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:47, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

==Main pic==
Shouldn't his main pic still be the eHobby art? That was his first body within any TF merchandise or continuity. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:32, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:Our official policy, to my knowledge, is "the appearance used for a character's first toy takes priority", except for in exceptional cases like The Fallen. Bugbite's first toy was the GoBot, even if it wasn't in the Transformers toyline. Plus it just makes sense. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:41, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
::In that case [[Matt Trakker]] would be white and [[Rom]] would be his 1970s character model. We go by their order-of-release-within-TFs appearance. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:45, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:::Trakker isn't white and Rom isn't 70s in their Transformers appearances. As Scioli's Go-Bots is a Transformers story AND Bugbite there is based on his original toy design, that's the version that gets the mainpic. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:54, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
::::Bug Bite was the white Bumblebee in TF appearances for over a decade before the Scioli book - it is chronologically his first release within the TF universe. Otherwise we might as well make BW Megatron's main pic be any of his flashback bodies (Darksyde, TM3). That is never how we have worked. If Bug Bite from the FP stories is going to share a page with RR/Scioli Bug Bite, then the former should get the main pic. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:02, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:::::Again, *first toy*, something which doesn't apply to your Megatron examples; you'd have been better served suggesting he be an alligator as a counterargument. And even then, [[Help:Ignore all standards|our own help documentation]] suggests common sense should rule in situations where our existing standards only serve to confuse the issue, hence why Megs isn't shown as an alligator. And as far as I'm concerned, common sense dictates that GoBots should look like GoBots. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:10, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
::::::Common sense says 2004 came before 2018 and that three white Bumblebee toys are more than the zero yellow Bandai VWs ever released as Transformers by Hasbro or Takara. Those same help docs emphasize "avoiding confusion." How does it avoid confusion to highlight the body that Transformers Bug Bite used last, and for the least amount of time? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:24, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

I agree with using the original body. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:36, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:Obviously, I agree with Cyberlink. If nothing else, this allows both bodies to be near the top of the article as opposed to scrolling down to the end of the page to see Bug Bite's ''actual'' appearance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:36, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
::Seems legit to me. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 19:30, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
:While White Bumblebee Bug Bite is certainly an iconic look by now and used prominently, using the original bodies for all the GoBots is the best way to have consistency for their mainpics without resorting to funpub virtual redecos for everyone except the 5 guys from the Takara minibot pack.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 19:57, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

== Split Part 2 ==

Yep, it's time to revisit this. And now that Cyberverse Bug Bite exists and proves Hasbro is just going to use the name for all white Bumblebee decos going forward regardless of GoBot origins, it makes more sense than ever to just split the non-GoBot stuff off than wring our hands over whether it's "close enough". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:55, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:I agree [[User:Kiddiecraft|Kiddiecraft]]
:100%. This article is trying to tread the line between two different characters (especially now that more GoBots content has been added since then) and it's not working. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:59, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:Bug Bites is the same. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 13:00, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:I support a split. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:03, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:I also support spliting the article. Cyberverse Bug Bite really cements that the WFC Merc should be spun off into a separate article. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 13:09, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:Split. "Actually a GoBot disguised as a Transformer" should be as distinguishing as "Shattered Glass," in terms of something that ''can't'' merge into another origin. ''Though I still say the main pic for GoBots Bug Bite should be reverted to the eHobby / Fun Pub body''. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:36, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
::Well maybe not (SG), as [[Shattered Expectations (SG)|Shattered Expectations]] introduced a heroic Shattered Glass Bug Bite, that looked exactly like regular Bug Bite.—[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 13:40, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:::No, not literally SG Bug Bite. Thy is saying how trying to work the GoBot and Cybertronian backstories into a single page is like trying to have a character and their SG counterpart on the same page; they're just not compatible. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:43, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
::::Kingdom Road Ranger's toy description also explicitly mentions ''GoBots'', while Selects Bug Bite's didn't. At first it seemed because Hasbro didn't want to mention ''GoBots'', but since they did with Road Ranger, we might as well let Selects Bug Bite be his own guy. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:02, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:::::I'd still leave the Selects toy here for informative purposes, though. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:31, 6 November 2021 (EDT)

I ''still'' agree with the split, and just for reference here are some things that make Bug Bite stand out more as a special case when compared to Road Ranger and other potential GoBot reuses:

*'''[https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-generations-war-for-cybertron-golden-disk-collection-chapter-1-autobot-road-ranger-and-autobot-puffer Road Ranger marketing material and product description:]'''
:''The quantum surge causes a time vortex, intercepting the GoBot Road Ranger and the Autobots Pipes and Huffer, pulling them through time and space.''

:''Autobot Road Ranger, the GoBot you were waiting for, and Autobot Puffer figures convert into their truck modes in 15 and 16 steps. Autobot Road Ranger comes with blaster and shield accessories, features deco based on his 2004 GoBots release.''

*'''[https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-generations-selects-deluxe-wfc-gs16-bug-bite Bug Bite's product description:]'''
:''This special edition WFC-GS16 Bug Bite figure is inspired by the mercenary from the Transformers War for Cybertron Netflix series, complete with the official mercenary faction logo.''

It seems pretty clear now in my eyes that Bug Bite was always intended to be a Mercenary and not the same character as the GoBot. A previous conversation I started [[#Earthrise cartoon coverage part 2|further up on this page]] had people suggesting that Hasbro was possibly wary about mentioning the GoBots origin and the e-HOBBY and BotCon toys in the toy/character's history like they do with the other GS toys, but since Road Ranger's reveal, my theory seems to hold some truth to it, as Hasbro is definitely not affraid to mention Road Ranger being a GoBot or the fact that he's based on his e-HOBBY toy. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:12, 6 November 2021 (EDT)
:Any further opinions on this? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:35, 10 November 2021 (EST)
::I'm anti-split, IMO all "Bug Bite the white G1 Bumblebee appearing in a G1 story" stuff should be on the same page to avoid complicating things, with Cybertronian versus GoBotronian origin treated as interchangeable backstory stuff a la human versus robot Targetmasters or whatever. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:32, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:::I was shruggy-whatever-who-cares about the idea of a split following this Cyberverse information, but Jalaguy has convinced me it's not necessary, so long as we marginalize the GoBot origin more. It can be a sometimes thing rather than First Thing You Learn. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:43, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:::(Because honestly, my objection to the split earlier was less about GOBOT and more about Hey It's All A G1-Continuity Family BugBite Guy, They Probably All Belong Here.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:46, 10 November 2021 (EST)
::::I don't see why this is any different a case from the multiple Cy-Kill or Crasher pages, especially when we have examples like Road Ranger where Hasbro is still explicitly calling some characters GoBots. Like, let's just make two articles, have them link back and forth where relevant (see: [[Alchemist Prime#Cyberverse cartoon]]), and call it a day. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:01, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:::::The thing is, the e-HOBBY toys were conceived as explicitly ''not'' G1-continuity guys (heck, not even ''Transformers'' guys, period) merely pretending to be. Same with the BotCon toy. Both were toys of an external-property character wearing bodies that were built to the specs of making him merely ''look'' like he could blend in as a G1 guy. While, in mind/heart/soul, he was not a G1 guy. We're pretty much arguing between body vs. soul at this point.
:::::To give a comparison, IDW1 Knock Out had the same body as his Prime counterpart, yet we gave him his own article because his soul's world of origin was different. Likewise, the Bug Bite who merely pretends to look like a G1 guy by wearing a body built to make him look like a G1 guy does ''not'' have a G1 world of origin; his is a Tonka-based world. Yet, the Bug Bite from the WFCT cartoon has a G1 world of origin from all that we can tell about him, and Hasbro specifically avoided making any mention of GoBots in their product description for his Selects toy, while explicitly name-dropping GoBots for the new toy of Road Ranger that's likewise decoed to homage his own e-HOBBY toy.
:::::WFCT Bug Bite is basically a continuity transplant of GoBots "not-G1" Bug Bite like how IDW Knock Out is of Prime Knock Out. And any future G1 Bug Bites whose designs are based on the e-HOBBY toy but who have no ties to GoBots will be as well. (I've no objection to linking the two articles back and forth.) --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:47, 10 November 2021 (EST)

My thoughts on this is that traditionally for external franchises like G.I. Joe and so on, when a character pops up in Transformers, they get one page even if they appear in multiple continuity families because it makes sense. They're coming from "outside" Transformers. That's how we've been treating GoBots so far, however the lines are now blurring. GoBots is starting to be integrated into Transformers, so we have cases like this one where we literally have Bug Bite popping up as a Transformer. If we're continuing to treat GoBots as a non-TF franchise, keeping this all on the same page makes sense to me though I'd argue if that's the case, we ought to merge in [[Bug Bite (Cyberverse)]]. If we're treating GoBots as a Transformers franchise, then keeping GoBots Bug Bite and Mercenary Bug Bite on the same page is suggesting that GoBots is part of the G1 continuity family. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:04, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:As well, Cyberlink420's point above that we're already treating Cy-Kill, Crasher, etc as having separate GoBots and G1 versions separately very much indicates to me that we should be splitting this article for consistency. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:32, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:: I [[User:Cyberlink420/sandbox‎2|made]] [[User:Cyberlink420/sandbox‎|drafts]]. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:56, 10 November 2021 (EST)
:::At first I looked at this and kind of shrugged and didn't care, but then Sabrblade and abates made really solid arguments. I think something like Cyberlink's sandboxes is probably the way to go. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:54, 10 November 2021 (EST)
Total so far: 10 for, 3 against. I think consensus is clear and the split should happen tonight or tomorrow, barring any more input. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:01, 11 November 2021 (EST)

== Main pic 2 ==

Being perfectly honest I no longer agree with using the Scioli pic, Hasbro isn't going to relase a toy based on this design and the white Bug Bite is the most prominent body in TF fiction. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:27, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:Using the Scioli picture blatantly violates our first-body standard. It doesn't even match the other FP GoBots. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:37, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::I'm not gonna fight for it, but I agree that using the e-HOBBY/"G1 GoBot" bodies for the mainpic is preferable. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:00, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::: I 100% agree. In fact, I've always found it strange that we use the Go-Bot body instead of the white Bee.•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:16, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::::Isn't the white Bumblebee look explicitly a disguise on Bug Bite's part? Per Withered Hope, it sounds like his "first body" is a match for the Super GoBot toy/Scioli design. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 11:41, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::::: Exactly. As the eHobby body is ''explicitly'' stated to be a disguise the character is wearing (but with a pic of it still positioned near the top anyway) and the Scioli design is derived from the original ''GoBots'' toy (thereby technically being based on the *actual* first body), it makes the most sense to use. (And honestly, I'm tired of us retreading the same old GoBots stuff every five minutes. It hasn't even been a full year since the LAST Bug Bite mainpic discussion.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:47, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:::::: Since the eHobby boddy is near the top of the page, ig it doesn't matter, but White Bee is his most used body ''in transformers '', so it makes sense to me for it to be the main image. In fact, he had never had a Transformers toy in his original GoBot forme. •[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:51, 9 September 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)

2022-09-09T15:43:43Z

ChristalIsMe:

== Split proposal ==
So, I just got Selects Lift-Ticket and was wondering about its pronouns (it/it/its, apparently). I noticed there was a split proposal for this article, but there wasn't even a talk page started, let alone a discussion of it. Please note, I didn't propose this split.

So, addressing the question of splitting this article, I would say no, at least for now. This article is still quite short, and splitting it between the Diaclone and (notionally) G1 sections would give us two even shorter articles, one consisting of the brief fiction section, the other of the brief toys section. At this point, there's no real need for this split.

Furthermore, the toys may be from G1-focused lines, but one was a Bot-Con exclusive where the fiction clearly had it coming from the Diaclone part of the multiverse, while the other is from Generation'''s''' which has already featured bots from non-G1 continutities (Hot Shot, Armada Starscream, Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime, plus the Prime related toys announced for Legacy), so Lift-Ticket's inclusion there does not necessarily imply being a part of G1. [[User:Waverod|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Waverod|talk]]) 15:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, I don't think we should be against short articles if they make sense, but given the complete lack of bio and fiction we're getting for the Legacy-associated Diaclone lines, combined with how it's being more ''multiversal'' than WFC's 'G1 all the time' approach, do we actively gain anything by splitting them? [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 19:19, 1 March 2022 (EST)
: I agree with Waverod and Akiba, for all the reasons given. Splitting this just gives us two worse articles instead of one better one. (Plus, like, it's not like Lift-Ticket came with any copy that said it WASN'T actually a person and not some mech-piloted thing.) ((unfortunately)) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:31, 1 March 2022 (EST)

== Mainpic ==

I'm in favour of the Diaclone boxart as mainpic - with Burn Out and Lift-Ticket's backstories, their original Diaclone toys are implicitly their "original designs", and the art was conveniently even published in a Transformers art book. Plus from a real-world perspective, the original Diaclone toys are invariably going to be what future creators go back to when using Lift-Ticket for fiction or toys again, versus the BotCon toys that are kind of just representative of what the current Skids and Hoist Generations moulds happened to be at the time they were brought into the franchise, y'know? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 05:00, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not because the ''Diaclone'' art is not Lift-Ticket (it's also not ''Transformers'' art, which is a rule that should only be broken with really, ''really'', '''''really''''' good reason, like, say, with Cobra Commander's pic). Lift-Ticket has literally never had that combination of body and colors. That's the Diaclone 4WD Hi-Lux Wrecker Type. There is, in fact, a difference. "Lift-Ticket" came into existence through ''Transformers'' as the BotCon toy, and his mainpic should reflect that. And the "future creators" thing is back to the whole issue of trying to "solve" Transformers and second/third-guess every way anyone could conceivably misinterpret everything and fail to look at more than one picture per page that made the whole "citogenesis" thing such a bloated pain. (Relevant message from the Discord: https://discordapp.com/channels/656241088826441729/656248887534944265/1005647033165692979) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:23, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::For once I agree whole heartedly with Sipher. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:52, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::I'd say my bigger priority here is that the profile card art looks like ass and being in ''Legacy'' makes them eligible for being ''Transformers'' art. Jala's point isn't about creators referring to the main pics in a fit of "misinterpretation" or whatever, but the simple fact that they're going to refer to the Diaclone designs in all further uses of the characters, not the T30 toys. Which we're already seeing with Masterpiece Burn Out. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 07:56, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::I don't think the bad art is a good enough excuse to go with art that isn't of their first explicitly-''Transformers'' forms. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 08:05, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::::I am also in favour of the Diaclone art. Even without it conventiently being included in a Transformers publication, well... these are Diaclone toys being included in the Transformers line and it seems more in spirit of what the first-appearance rule entails to use the Diaclone art, rather than the technical reading. Masterpiece Spin-Out and Blue Bluestreak both exist from an alternate Diaclone universe, Legacy toys are being marketed as Diaclone universe. The new Burn Out has a head based on the Diaclone art. They are so close to Transformers they sometimes made it into original Transformers art before production alterations, appearing in murals on the back of the box (if the argument for Diaclone art fails I say we use those instead, those predate FunPub by a few decades) [[User:Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 11:05, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I entirely agree with Jala and Saix here. I think that, frankly, sticking with the "first body" rule in this instance is wholly disingenuous - the BotCon design might technically have been the first way he appeared in Transformers media, but that's not the ''basis'' for the design, and pretending otherwise is just silly. The first body rule is a useful guideline, but I don't agree that it should be stuck to with such religious adherence. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:38, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::::::Add another vote of support for Jala's proposal. For exactly the reason Riptide gave. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:57, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::::I don't think there's anything to be gained from using back-of-box mural art. I'm 100% in favour of using the package art for the reasons Jala describes. That's just what Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket look like. I'd also be in favour of using it for Delta Magnus, but I think the Masterpiece card art would be a better choice there—certainly, either would be light-years ahead of the comic crop currently used. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 11:41, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::::::I find myself convinced by Riptide's argument as well. I do think it bears remarking we are in no small part ''already'' using retroactively canonized Diaclone assets for Diaclone-derived e-HOBBY characters. Declining to do so for Diaclone-derived characters from other sources (be it BotCon, IDW, or what have you) as they rack up toys transparently based on their "Generation 1" designs feels like the kind of playing coy to the detriment of the reader we try to avoid.

:::::::That said I do also agree with Wadapan that the distinction between Diaclone and Masterpiece character models is largely splitting hairs if folks feel more comfortable going with something akin to the "most prominent body" route when possible. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:37, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

Except those artworks are NOT MEANT TO BE Lift-Ticket et al. Frankly I'm not a big fan of this tendency to finagle the rules for these BotCon-original characters that keeps happening as of late. I was in favor of it for Flamewar, but that was at least a case of art actually intended to depict Flamewar. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:23, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:They're not? The names may have been applied later, but those are absolutely images of the two Diaclone mechs used in that story. There's swathes of characters, many originating from FunPub, that have only been named after the fact, but those retcons don't suddenly make them into separate things, at least not in the wiki's eyes as I understand. In Flamewar's case, we did end up sticking with the original depiction, rather than the revamped body. I would argue that, in the Flamewar case, the BotCon art we stuck with is analogous not to the profile art here as you purport, but to the Diaclone depictions that are the basis for the characters—without even the complicating factor that the redesign has risen to eclipse the original in prominence. It's only through a technicality that the first bodies can be said not to count here, such that instead the one-off aberration in these characters' history (simply a product of the molds available at that time) be given priority. That's the perspective I'm coming from, as someone who prefers the current Flamewar mainpic and likes ''Timelines'' stuff generally, so it's funny to me that you're presenting it like we have some specific bias regarding FunPub stuff. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:00, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::I didn’t say we didn’t end up with the original Flamewar art? My point is more specifically about us deciding “which is more prominent” which comes up for Shattered Glass et al. In any case, I entirely disagree with the idea that these bits of Diaclone art are explicitly Burn Out and Lift Ticket, because they didn’t exist as characters until 2015. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:18, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
As happened the last time there was a "what to do about these Diaclone guys" discussion, I strongly vote against weakening our standards for the sake of some concept of what we think Hasbro might be likely to do next. The new Transformer toy looks the same as the old Diaclone? What a great argument for using the actual Transformer toy's art, then - they even look the same! We should have strong borders between real and not-real Transformer content and firmly respect the chronologies in cases where formerly-not-real things became real. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:08, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
: Right. The mechs/humans in question are not real-world ''Diaclone'' characters transplanted into ''Transformers'', they are ''Transformers'' characters created for ''Transformers'' fiction that use ''Diaclone'' as a conceptual origin but ''do not exist in actual real-world Diaclone'', plus the "Dialcone universe" they hail from is similarly made up for ''Transformers'' and dramatically different from the actual original ''Diaclone'' fiction. I think that it's important to respect that real-world origin rather than obfuscate it, even if the most full-body art we have is not good and the company responsible is... ''yeah''. The old ''Diaclone'' art is ''inspiration'' for the ''Transformers'' characters, and we should use imagery of their ''Transformers'' origin. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:02, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

Okay, here's an alternate argument. Lift-Ticket and Burn Out are (explicitly, in-universe) imports of the Diaclone mechs given names and expanded backstories. Their BotCon toys were released in 2015. ''[[Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging]]'' was released in 2014. Thus, the first published images of those mechs in Transformers media used the Diaclone boxart, and as such those ARE their first bodies from Transformers media. As such, under a strict reading of the rules, we should use the Legacy art for the mainpics. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:39, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

Just to loop back to Sipher's first reply quickly to clarify myself, I'm 100% not suggesting this in terms of a "trying to prevent citogenesis" mindset or whatever, but just from taking a realistic perspective about how this character is going to be handled going forward. Lift-Ticket is, ultimately, defined by being a Transformers import of the red Diaclone Wrecker toy and - regardless of what ''we'' use as a mainpic, because, to be clear, I'm not making that argument - when in future there's a Masterpiece, or another Gens toy, or whatever, it's gonna be that Diaclone toy they go back to, not the BotCon one. In my mind at least, I've always understood the logic of the "first body rule" to be that that first design is the "core" of that character, the original source from which all later designs exist in relation to. For Lift-Ticket and Burn Out, that original source ultimately ''isn't'' the BotCon toys and their reused IDW designs, it's the Diaclone toys, and, ''personally'', I think it better serves the casual reader to take a more pragmatic approach with how we define these characters, rather than treating them as if the BotCon toy designs are their visual origin point? I ultimately don't actually feel strongly enough about this to argue it much longer, but that's my take on the matter. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 15:05, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::Our readers are not stupid. They can figure out for themselves these sorts of things. I'm not convinced that a casual reader would know what Diaclone is half the time, and frankly I think putting the Diaclone art would be essentially lying to them by making them think it was an original Generation 1 toy. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:55, 30 August 2022 (EDT)
: Well phrased - I entirely agree. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:19, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:That strikes me as the same argument as using, say, the Knickerbocker "Speedar" art as Windcharger's mainpic, which I also would argue against. As noted above, trying to stick with "what Hasbro might do" is a bad idea just in general, as if Has/Tak ever revisit the characters going forward (huge "if" admittedly but still we live in an age of miracle and wonder), they're going to use whatever vaguely Hoistlike/Skidslike molds they have available regardless of said molds' fidelity to the granular details of prior iterations/inspirations. I mean, Legacy Burn has the entirely wrong head for either the prior BC ''or'' Diaclone iteration, for crying out loud. And on top of the issues of preserving the actual real-world character history (again, they're not actually ''Diaclone'' characters and we shouldn't pretend they are or present them in a way that makes them appear to be), frankly I'm not keen on encouraging the snake to keep eating its own tail. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]])
::Sincere question - what exactly is the point of the "first body rule" if not preserving character design lineage, as Jalaguy described? I want to understand properly where you're coming from.
::(Also, and I recognise that this kind of contradicts me asking you for clarification - as a guy who directly worked on Burn Out and Lift-Ticket's BotCon incarnations, aren't you maybe a bit too close to the issue to get directly involved on the wiki?) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:50, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::You're vastly misinterpreting/nitpicking the "first body" guideline; by that logic, we should default to nothing but Diaclone/Microman/Knickerbocker/Beetras/etc concept imagery because that was the "character design lineage" origin point. We've always operated using the characters' real-world ''Transformers'' premiere as the mainpic basis, and we don't go changing that to chase whatever the character happens to look like in the franchise's immediate ''now''. And just to make the overall point of the guideline clearer, we've ''always'' had wiggle room allowing for the effectively-simultaneous release of toys with often-significantly-different-looking media designs to reflect that semicomplicated character origin. As for ''these'' characters, their real-world premiere is the ''Transformers'' BotCon toy set, the simultaneous release of the media depicts them with those designs, and that was their only depiction for over half a decade. The mainpic should reflect that, not non-''Transformers'' art for non-''Transformers'' toys from a non-''Transformers'' line from three decades prior that served as their ''inspiration'' (a word that's become super-overused as of late but sometimes it is, in fact, accurate).
:::As for "worked on", I had nothing to do with the toys' creation, that was decided and done and sent to the factories long before I had any involvement with the project. I co-wrote a comic script involving them that was largely ignored. And I would argue the same for anything I was 100% unconnected to (and ''have'': Flamewar). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:23, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::Right, I understand there's always been flexibility, but that's more of a "how" than a "why". From what you're saying, I guess the reasoning for the first body guideline is... so we don't have to update mainpics, I guess? I don't think I'm quite understanding.
::::As for the "well why don't we use the pre-transformer designs for everyone then"... we kind of do? Like, for instance, Optimus's mainpic is (an interpretation of) the Diaclone design. He's just appeared enough that we have options outside of the Battle Convoy art. I don't think that argument holds much water.
::::(And, as I've mentioned - the Diaclone art and BotCon toy both represent the red towtruck Diaclone mecha, and the Diaclone art was published in ''Legacy'' - a piece of official, licensed Transformers media - nine months before the BotCon toy was released. What makes one depiction valid and the other not?) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:59, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::::I think claiming that the Legacy page is intending to represent anything when Legacy is an out-of-universe guidebook showcasing real-world things is a bit willfully ignorant when it comes to this very much based in fiction issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:32, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::::I don't really see why? It's no more out-of-universe than the boxart itself. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:54, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::::::The cardart is on a tech specs. That puts it in the realm of fiction. The Legacy book is a non-fiction book. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:55, 30 August 2022 (EDT)
:The "Legacy" art is unnamed - it's a full-page spread of multiple art samples all just labeled "Diaclone", in a section titled "Pre-Transformer Oddities." The characters of BO and LT are not named because, of course, they didn't exist yet. "This is something alive that exists in the TF universe" came from after that. The source we would be citing for TF art says it isn't TF art. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:25, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::But Burn Out and Lift-Ticket are, explicitly, both in- and out-of-universe, the Diaclone mechs given names. We have one piece of art in officially-published Transformers media of the red Diaclone tow-truck mech, and another piece of art in officially-published Transformers media of the red Diaclone tow-truck mech, and it seems absurd to me to say that they're not representative of the same "character". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:49, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::For the record, Riptide, I think the "Legacy" argument is strong - but it's a strong self-contradictory argument for us doing something that is self-contradictory. We are being asked to say the "This is not a pipe" painting is a pipe, because we can point at it with an Impossible Trident. This is a case that is epistemologically difficult for our organizational systems (or at least, it is for me). --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:54, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I can understand that - it is an inherently nebulous situation. I will admit that the "Legacy is technically first" argument is at least a little tongue in cheek; "I don't think we should be so strict about the first body rule, but if we ARE going to be strict about it, ''technically'' we should be using the Legacy art anyway". Personally, I wouldn't be arguing so strongly in favour of it if not for the fact that it acts as the origin point of the design lineage AND represents the same in-universe Diaclone mech AND was published in TF source; it's the combination of factors that makes it feel silly to avoid using it, to me. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:03, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
So here's the thing - the whole "this BotCon toy was so totally meant to reference the Diaclone toy" - a toy, a concept that only becomes part of the Transformers franchise proper at the moment LT/BO are released. In the lore, yes, the Diaclone Red Wrecker has always been called LT. But not in the real world and also not in the actual Transformers franchise which this wiki purports to document. We don't do this for Loudpedal or Road Rage, we use the MP bio card art. Those are IMO roughly comparable conceptually, and in that case, we're using the "first body." The TF fiction created the character where the toy used to be. Prior to that, it was a blank canvas for you to project your own theories onto... much like the DK-series toys still are today, I guess, and we use photos of the toys for those two... so in each case, we're talking about two or three pages tops. Just stick to "first appearance in TF fiction body" for the Diaclone crew. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 20:28, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

I'm going to bring up this: [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Nemesis_Prime_(G1)&oldid=801378].
This is what using these mainpics feels like to me. Yes, it is certainly similar to what Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket look like (and admittedly they are closer in terms of real-world conception than this revision to Nemesis Prime), but it's not what either the original Diaclone artists, nor Jim or Bill when they complied the book, had in mind when they created/complied this artwork. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:59, 30 August 2022 (EDT)
:See this is what using the Bot-Con art comes off as to me. Sure, Optimus Prime was a car one time and got repainted into Nemesis before a truck did. But it is obtuse to use the first appearance over the Diaclone box-art/Legacy book/Legacy toyline appearances. As Jalaguy said above about not being obtuse to casual readers and representing the core of the character, rather than going with the technically correct answer. I think, while the Legacy book people weren't sitting there waiting for it to be put on the main-page of the wiki article. Absolutely the intent of Lift-Ticket, Burn-Out and every other Diaclone import into Transformers is funnily enough, the Diaclones they are importing. The Diaclone artists never intended that guy to be Optimus Prime but that does not change that the Transformers people did. [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 22:47, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
::1: Why are you responding to an argument from over a week ago. 2: It's absolutely not obtuse to use an image of the characters as in the media that actually introduced them to the world, which is the BotCon stuff-whether or not we're going with the Legacy image, it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. The Legacy writers weren't waiting for it to happen '''''because Lift-Ticket and Burn-Out did not exist as characters at the time that the book was produced.''''' This isn't a hard concept to wrap your head around. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:11, 8 September 2022 (EDT)

Also now that I think of it, aren't at least some of the the original Diaclone robots meant to be mass-produced? So Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket would only be one individual robot in a series of identical ones. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:02, 30 August 2022 (EDT)
:How does this affect anything at all? [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 22:47, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
::Again why are you responding to something from a week ago. What do you think this will accomplish? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:15, 8 September 2022 (EDT)

Does anyone else want to chip in on this? By my count the vote is currently 7:4 in favour of using the ''Legacy'' art, ''and'' there's the fact that the Legacy art was published first and thus ''arguably'' is the true "first body", which indicates to me that we're currently leaning towards a switch back to the ''Legacy'' mainpics. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:41, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
:Unless a former Fun Publications staffer can provide clean versions of the BotCon 2015 artworks, I also vote in favour of the ''Diaclone'' packaging art as reprinted in ''Legacy''. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:53, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
::ALso in favor of using the Legacy art as the mainpic for the reasons stated above. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 19:33, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
:It's absolutely not "arguably" the true first body. Pretending that the Diaclone art published in Legacy in any way represents two characters who hadn't been created yet just because they are technically based on the toys those artworks represent is an act of willful ignorance of the first body rule. This isn't us "bending" the rules, this is us breaking them, and it's insane to pretend otherwise. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:30, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
::Mm, no, see, it IS arguable, because we're arguing it. Burn Out and Lift-Ticket are identities assigned to the Diaclone mecha, and we have pictures of the Diaclone mecha that predate the BotCon toys that were based on them. From both an in-universe and out-of-universe perspective, these are the same character/concept, from my perspective. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 21:53, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
:::What's ''really'' "not arguable" is that [[Bug Bite (GoBots)]]'s first TF published body was the e-Hobby / FP white car. If we are going to say that we are sticking to the first body rule here because of the Legacy art - which doesn't depict the ''characters'' of LT/BO at all, but got the Hasbro stamp first - then the current pic of a yellow VW body that first got officialized a ''decade'' later has got to be switched. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:30, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::::I'd agree with that - but then I don't agree with how we're currently covering the Scioli GoBots stuff anyway. (I don't think some cutesy references in the last issue are enough that we should be covering the whole thing.) But that's another issue entirely. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 07:43, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:::::We have better things to do than re-litigate GoBots for the upteenth time. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:34, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:I agree with changing the mainpic. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 21:42, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
::I'm against using the Diaclone art. I think Sipher's comment on the "first body rule" bears repeating in that it isn't about maintaining design lineage but documenting their first Transformers design regardless of what they look like now. I also don't think being in Legacy qualifies them as "Transformers art" because they weren't published with the intention of being a fictional depiction of any Transformers character. They were published to document the history of the art in a non-fictional capacity. Making the Diaclone art the main pics is making up canon. Riptide's point about Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket being identities assigned to the Diaclone mecha contradicts the idea that the Diaclone art is a representation of those mecha. They're only Diaclone mecha in the club fiction, and the Lift Ticket and Burn Out mecha of that Diaclone world do not actually look like the Diaclone art. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 23:39, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
:::Burn Out (said to be from the Diaclone, or Ancient Time Universe) recently appeared in a Sakamoto-penned comic promoting the TT release of the Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection. There, she is depicted as a mech piloted by Dia using a body inspired by the original Skids toy (using the Crosscut head, yes, but her upcoming MP toy is heavily inspired by her Diaclone packaging art), so the idea that they are only mechs in club fiction is blatantly false. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 11:10, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:::: The current main pic seems to represent the character as they appear in Transformers more. It only appeared in two toys and a comic, and one toy and one comic match, white the newest toy is different. The Diaclone body represents the Transformers character less accurately than the current main pic, but only by a bit. I'd say keep the image the same. •[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:27, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:::I'm sorry, but my head is spinning at the argument being constructed here. How I, and I think Jo and the others in favour, see it: There are these Diaclone mechs. There's some old package art of those mechs. FunPub later named those mechs Lift-Ticket and Burn Out. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 11:42, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::::But that package art was technically not for a Transformer yet. I see it both ways though. •[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:43, 9 September 2022 (EDT)

Breakdown (G1)

2022-09-09T15:30:46Z

ChristalIsMe: I'm not 100% sure this note is necessary, but I tried to fix it up.

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:''Breakdown is a [[Decepticon]] [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:MTMTEBreakdown.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Ever since the invention of [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]], Breakdown has been convinced his pistol is out to kill him... (It really is!)]]
'''Breakdown''' has an acute case of paranoia. (What was that!?) He genuinely believes that things, both living and inanimate, are ''watching'' him. (They're all over me!) Breakdown doesn't like to stand out in a crowd. (Did you hear ''that''!?) He dreads being different and garnering attention. (Stop staring at me!) At times, he almost wishes he was a [[human]] so he could just disappear and no one would notice. (Get them off meeeee!) Needless to say, he and [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (He's one of THEM!!) would be energon drinking buddies if each wasn't likely to be convinced the other was trying to poison him.

In vehicle mode, Breakdown's engine has got the shakes so hard that it can actually cause mechanical failures in other vehicles. (They're faking!) He can also rely (Ha! As if!) on his [[concussion weapon|concussion rifle]] if he gets cornered in an alley. As you'd expect, his paranoia is his worst weakness. It's such a problem that the stress can trigger mechanical problems, and it does, constantly. (Oh, yeah, I bet you'd ''love'' to claim this was "self-inflicted"!)

Breakdown can also combine (They'll never take me alive!!) with his fellow [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] to form [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. As if the combiner wasn't unstable enough (It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you!!!), he's forced into working together with [[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (Oh god, I have to run together with HIM?) when they form Menasor's legs. In some universes, he is paired with [[Offroad (CW)|Offroad]] instead. (Don't believe his lies!) In others, he is part of [[Galvatronus (CW)|Galvatronus]] or [[Grand Scourge]] (Eek! They're even worse than Menasor!).

{{quote|They're gawking at us! How mortifrying!|Breakdown makes a spelling mistake|"[[Masquerade]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Jack Angel]] (English, "The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1"), [[Alan Oppenheimer]] (English), [[Keiichi Nanba]] (Japanese), [[Takurō Kitagawa]] (Japanese, "The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1"), [[Show Hayami]] (Japanese, "Cosmic Rust", "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1")|[[Reinhard Brock]] (German, "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1"), [[Hans-Rainer Müller]] (German, "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2"), [[Ulrich Bernsdorff]] (German, "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3"), [[Albert Augier]] (European French), [[François Leccia]] (European French, "Masquerade"), [[Serge Bourrier]] (European French, "Five Faces of Darkness, Parts 1 & 3"), [[Júlio César]] (Portuguese), [[Carlos Marques]] (Portuguese, "Cosmic Rust"), [[Ricardo Schnetzer]] (Portuguese, "Masquerade"), [[Júlio Chaves]] (Portuguese, "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3")}}

[[File:Ktvs1 megs builds breakdown.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2|These Snap-Tite kits are awesome!]]
After a failed attempt to steal experimental rocket fuel from [[United States military]], [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] realized that while the Decepticons controlled the skies, the Autobots had supremacy on the ground, and so they needed new ground-based warriors who could out-drive and out-fight the Autobots on their terms. [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] was sent to steal various [[human]] vehicles that would be rebuilt to become the new Stunticons. Breakdown was given [[Spark|life]] by [[Vector Sigma]] along with the rest of the Stunticons. He agreed to obey Megatron, but there was a certain reluctance in his voice. He probably thought Megatron was out to get him, or something. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}}

[[File:Breakdown.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|I'm Breakdown and... what the $*#@! are you looking at?!]]
Whilst the Autobots were trapped on Cybertron, the Decepticons returned to [[Earth]] with the newly awakened Stunticons who began wreaking havoc and damaging the Autobots' good name by attacking the US military base containing the experimental rocket fuel. Eventually, the Autobots returned with the newly built [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] whose combined form Superion defeated the Stunticon combiner Menasor. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2}}

Despite this defeat, the Stunticons were the key component in Megatron's elaborate scheme to hold a [[Europa 2000|fake charity race]] from Paris to Istanbul so he could steal US driver [[Auggie Cahnay (G1)|Auggie Cahnay]]'s car which would be melted down to house the powerful [[Pearl of Bahoudin]]. One by one, the Stunticons disabled the Autobot participants assigned to protect Cahnay. Afterwards, the Stunticons were defeated when Cahnay rammed his car into Menasor's face. {{storylink|Trans-Europe Express}}

[[File:Cosmicrust taking over this boat.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2|Oh, God, People!, get away from me!]]
When Megatron was infected with [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|Cosmic Rust]] after a trip to the lost Autobot colony of [[Antilla]], the Stunticons were assigned to capture the Autobot scientist [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], who had developed the powerful anti-corrosion [[Corrostop]]. Arriving incognito on a ferry, Breakdown transformed and nervously informed the human passengers that this was a mutiny...no, no a hijack! Anyway, they were taking over the boat! Breakdown forced the humans into the captain's cabin, though he actually locked them in the garage. After Megatron cured himself and infected the Autobots with the Cosmic Rust, Menasor attacked the Statue of Liberty in [[New York City]] with the ancient [[Lightning Bug]] heat ray, intent on stopping the Autobots from [[Matter duplicator|matter-duplicating]] more Corrostop from the layer they sprayed on the statue. Superion defeated Menasor and destroyed the Lightning Bug. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}

After [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] was banished for yet another failed coup, he returned with a powerful new Decepticon team called the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]], who were able to outfight Autobot and Decepticon alike. With Megatron needing a trump card, [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] attempted to call on the Stunticons to help, but they refused as they were having a demolition derby with various human-owned cars. However, the Stunticons belatedly arrived after the Combaticons' combined form of [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] defeated [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and forced Megatron to acknowledge Starscream as the new Decepticon leader. Realizing that Starscream would not stop at Megatron, the Stunticons merged into Menasor and disabled Bruticus in one mighty punch. {{storylink|Starscream's Brigade}}

[[File:Masquerade as i preducted.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|Shouldn't the [[Red Alert (G1)|insanely paranoid]] Lambo Autobot have taken his place?]]
While assembling a new weapon capable of destroying any target by creating a chain reaction in its molecules, Megatron found himself short a few key components to finish the device. He sent the Stunticons out to retrieve those components by any means necessary. Breakdown and [[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] assaulted a local optics laboratory to gather new focusing lenses for the cannon's beam. On their way to the weapon's construction site, they were intercepted by a troop of Autobots. It was [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] who brought down Breakdown, setting him on fire with his arc-welder rifle by using a trail of fuel as a fuse. The Stunticons were dragged back to Autobot Headquarters for imprisonment, an experience that Breakdown considered thoroughly "mortifrying". Once brought in, the Stunticons' radios were disabled and they were trapped in vehicle mode behind energized bars. The Autobots then used camouflage paint to alter their appearances and mimic the Stunticons, hoping to get close enough to Megatron to catch him unawares. Autobot warrior [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] assumed Breakdown's appearance for the mission. After they left, however, Breakdown tried using his unique vibratory pulses to disrupt his bars and break free, and just as he "preducted", it worked! He caught his Autobot captors by surprise and blasted several of them before they could react, giving him enough time to free his fellow Stunticons and form Menasor. After a brief but memorable conflict, Menasor escaped the Ark and returned to Megatron. The cannon was rendered unusable by the Autobots' intervention, though, and Megatron's plan failed. {{storylink|Masquerade}}

[[File:Ffod3 squalor on chaar.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Breakdown never did like sitting around the campfire with the other Decepticons.]]
In the wake of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]'s attack on Cybertron in the year [[2005]] and the subsequent Decepticon exile to [[Chaar]] in 2006, the Stunticons were reduced to being scavengers, fighting like [[slaarg]]s with their fellow Decepticons over the few scraps of energon they had. Motormaster determined that the Decepticons needed strong leadership to survive, and hope came when [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] brought news of [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]'s survival and asked for the Decepticons to donate their remaining energon to revive their leader. While Dead End was pessimistic about their survival, Breakdown said they were doomed anyway without a leader and focus. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} However, while Cyclonus and the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]s were resurrecting Galvatron, the [[Quintesson]]s arrived on Chaar with an offer of energon in exchange for attacking the Autobots. The Stunticons were instrumental in convincing the other Decepticons to ally themselves with the Quintessons. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}} After Galvatron returned to seize control of the Decepticons, the Stunticons were part of the Decepticon team attacking the Autobots on Earth. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}
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{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2}} {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}} {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}} {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}}}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' story pages=====
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=====Scramble City=====
[[File:Scramblecity breakdown forms an arm.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|Arm? Leg? He's the guy with the gun!]]
Breakdown and the Stunticons were summoned by Megatron to put an end to the [[Metroplex (G1)|Scramble City]] project, and succeeded where [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] had failed. Their first strike was impressive, holding back [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and a cadre of Autobots and shooting the Aerialbots out of the skies. When the Aerialbots formed Superion, Breakdown and his teammates followed suit and merged into Menasor. During the battle, the Stunticons tried mixing it up by swapping around their usual configuration, and Breakdown became Menasor's left arm. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
[[File:Hmep3 breakdown and dragstrip.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]
Breakdown and the Stunticons participated in Galvatron's siege on Cybertron. They managed to gain the high ground against the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] and [[Throttlebot]]s, and rained laser fire down on their opponents. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} Breakdown and his team formed Menasor to fight their Autobot counterparts, but were steamrolled by the might and firepower of the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Battleship Maximus]]. Transporting back to Earth, they attempted to interfere with [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]]'s quest for the Matrix. Breakdown and the Stunticons were confronted by the Aerialbots in the desert, but the battle of their combiner forms eventually led them to the Arctic. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}

When [[Vector Sigma]] began perfecting the new super-metal [[Cybertonuron]] on Cybertron, Galvatron ordered another all-out attack on the planet to seize the metal for the Decepticons before the Autobots could make use of it. Breakdown and the Stunticons journeyed to Cybertron with the strike force, and confronted their old enemies, the Aerialbots. The Aerialbots got the drop on Breakdown's group by forming Superion and lashing out before the Stunticons could form Menasor as well. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} Breakdown and the Stunticons were still in a firefight sometime later, as [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] passed by looking for [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] and the Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}} In [[San Francisco]], Breakdown and the Stunticons assisted Bruticus in using [[buridanka|a carnivorous plant]] to distract the Autobots from [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s plans on [[Zarak (planet)|Zarak]]. They fought against the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] and [[Computron (G1)|Computron]]. {{storylink|Head On!! Fortress Maximus}}

Sometime later, Breakdown and the Stunticons gathered in the desert as their Ninja Commander [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] began issuing orders. They assembled as Menasor, and took part in the escalating Decepticon war effort as five separate Autobot outposts were attacked simultaneously at Sixshot's command. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}} The Stunticons remained on Earth while Scorponok took the bulk of the Decepticon forces to planet [[Master (planet)|Master]], hiding from the Autobots in the sunken continent of [[Lemuria (myth)|Lemuria]] where they mined [[crysmagnetal]]. When Scorponok returned, the Stunticons, combined as Menasor, joined in the final battle between the Autobot and Decepticons at the North Pole. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

=====''Zone'' cartoon, manga, and story pages=====
Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], [[Emperor of Destruction|Decepticon Emperor]] [[Violengiguar]] gathered together the Nine Great Demon Generals, upgrading them with powerful new armor and weaponry, then sent them forth to conquer planets. Breakdown was among those summoned, but only as a part of Menasor. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}} {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (manga)|Zone}} {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

=====e-HOBBY comics=====
[[Grand Scourge]] dropped in through a tear in space-time during a fight between the Autobots and Decepticons, and used his [[Matrix Breaker]] sword to disassemble Menasor with a single blow. After grappling Dead End, the dimensional intruder realized he could forcefully combine with the Stunticons. Though Breakdown attempted to flee, Grand Scourge managed to have him form the left leg of his gestalt mode. {{storylink|Decepticon Dark Commander Grand Scourge}}

=====''Unite Warriors''=====
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Unite Warriors Offshot|Today Is Us Stunticons' Annual Holiday Demolition Race!}}}}

====''TV Magazine'' comic continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
[[File:Srlf manga breakdown.jpg|thumb|It's nice to see him happy once in a while!]]
Breakdown listened to Megatron boast about how [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] would trounce [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] once its construction was complete. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 3|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #3}}

Breakdown and the Stunticons decided to have a little fun and tear up a baseball stadium in Japan. Luckily, the Autobots' plucky young ally [[Kenji]] was present to radio for assistance. All the combiner teams assembled, and it was Menasor and Bruticus against Superion and Defensor! Defensor was forced to break apart by the combined Decepticon attack, but Superion and Kenji got the idea to shoot out the Decepticons' leg components. [[Groove (G1)|Groove]] and [[Blades (G1)|Blades]] took advantage of the empty combiner ports and took over as Menasor's legs while [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] and [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] took over as Bruticus' lower limbs. All four Protectobots immediately launched Menasor and Bruticus into the ocean. Breakdown was last seen chasing his "possessed" teammates into the distance. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 5|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #5}}

While posing as Autobots, Breakdown, [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] and the Stunticons rampaged through the city streets, smearing the good name of their adversaries. Later, [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] posed as humans to rally people against the Autobots, and Motormaster's brigade staged an attack on the rally to drive the point home. The Autobot fire engines [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] and [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] arrived, however, and used their water hoses to wash off the Decepticons' fake insignia. Enraged, Motormaster planned to combine into Menasor...only to see Breakdown and the others were already retreating into the distance. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #7}}

Breakdown was one of the Decepticons that oversaw the conversion of a [[Battle Dog|dog]] into a Decepticon weapon. The awesome energy within the animal allowed it to escape, and Megatron was forced to send out the Combaticons in order to retrieve it. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 8|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #8}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''=====
In the year [[2010]], Breakdown participated in a Decepticon attack on the planet Feminia. He and his team merged into Menasor in order to battle alongside Bruticus and Devastator against their Autobot counterparts Superion, Defensor and Omega Supreme. The fight was fairly evenly matched until Galvatron called up his ace-in-the-hole, [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], whose power was unmatched by any of the Autobots... except for the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibots]], who essentially tied Predaking's shoelaces together until he fell over, straight into Menasor and his chums, sending them all toppling to the ground and knocking them to bits. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 5|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #5}}
{{note|Breakdown only appears as a component of Menasor}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
Galvatron kidnapped Doctor [[Dalton]] of [[Eran]] to upgrade the might of his combiner warriors. When the Autobot combiners arrived to save Dalton, Breakdown and his teammates were deployed at high speeds from Motormaster's launcher mode. They met Superion in mid-air, and the force of their deployment enabled the combiner teams to tear him apart. The Stunticons then merged into Menasor to move in for the kill. They were ultimately outwitted by the Autobots, however, who rescued Dalton and safely returned to Metroplex. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

====Full Throttle Scramble Power!====
The Decepticons constructed a new weapon to pursue their energy-plundering campaign on Earth, the [[Omega Wave Cannon]]. With the device at the ready, the Stunticons headed out to retrieve some energy from a power plant. They were met with the Aerialbots, and both teams combined into the gestalt forms. As they battled, Menasor made great use of his modular nature, having his Stunticon components swap between being arms and legs. Atop of this, Superion was crippled by the Omega Wave Cannon, giving the Decepticons the advantage. But the Autobots turned the tide of the battle by sending out massive amounts of reinforcements into the field, and the Decepticons were sent packing. {{storylink|Full Throttle Scramble Power!}}

====''Wings Universe''====
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Some time after the return of Cybertron's Golden Age, Breakdown was the only remaining [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]]. The others were all placed in stasis after a brutal fight with [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]. Breakdown left [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]'s army. His self-esteem had decreased considerably without [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] to prove his value, and he feared it was only a matter of time before the volatile Decepticon leader simply did away with him. Breakdown traveled back to Earth in hopes of tracking down the last [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobot]] [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] for revenge, and eventually joined [[Clench (G1)|Clench]]’s Decepticon Syndicate.

In 2010, Breakdown helped Clench take control of the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland, where the Decepticons and the [[Quintesson]] agent [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] hoped to harness the potential of the chemical [[forestonite]]. Breakdown expressed his distrust of Sky-Byte, but his views were ignored by Clench who nominated both soldiers as test subjects for the refined forestonite. Luckily for them, the new fuel worked as intended. Breakdown's vibration ability was enhanced considerably, allowing him to fire sonic booms at his enemies.

He got to try out his new powers and try for vengeance when Streetwise and his fellow Generation 2 Autobots broke in, attempting to stop Clench's plan. After throttling Streetwise for a while, Breakdown had his enemy in his grip, but when he saw the Autobot commander [[Pyro (G1)|Spark]] making a grab for the forestonite, he blasted the supply, hoping to blow it and Spark up.

Instead, the shattered canisters released forestonite gas, and exposed the Autobots to the same mutations as the Decepticons. Now granted the capability to phase through objects, Streetwise vanished from sight, psyching out the increasingly paranoid Breakdown. Eventually, he was able to sneak right up on the Decepticon. Breakdown would’ve been taken prisoner, but an explosion from outside startled Streetwise just long enough for Breakdown to transform and speed off in escape. {{storylink|Generation 2: Redux}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
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Many years ago on Cybertron, Breakdown existed before he was born and had joined [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] and [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] in shooting at [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]]. {{storylink|Spacehikers!}}

[[File:Stunticonsmarvelg1.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Breakdown is the blue guy in the background.]]
''Though [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] had given the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] back to [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]], its influence was still present in his mind. He and Prime had their minds connected to a machine, where they shared a vision of a "Second Generation" of Transformers. Breakdown was the member of the Stunticons, one of four [[Special Teams]]. In this vision, Breakdown and his fellow Stunticons combined into Menasor and fought the Autobots Superion and Defensor. But [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] were listening in on this vision, and both sides planned to make it reality.'' {{storylink|The Special Teams Have Arrived}} {{storylink|Second Generation!}}

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Upon learning that the [[cerebro-shell]] implanted in Optimus Prime had also granted them access to the powers of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]], Megatron and Soundwave immediately built a team of Decepticons. The new Stunticons, which included Breakdown, were sent to find the Autobot [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], who had earned new trust from the Autobots by publicly saving a [[human]]. After Breakdown and the others knocked over every car in their way to get to Skids, they turned to "protect" him from the new [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], hoping to confuse the public and discredit the Autobots. Breakdown combined with his fellow Stunticons to form [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], and they fought the Aerialbots' [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. {{storylink|Heavy Traffic!}}

''The other Stunticons watched as Megatron raged at the accidentally insolent Motormaster. Breakdown looked especially concerned as Megatron seemed to have crushed Motormaster under a boulder, but Megatron had purposefully missed to teach him a lesson.'' {{storylink|Prey!}}

Breakdown had traveled early with some other Decepticons to their [[Club Con|new island headquarters]], where he helped construct an energy transfer pipeline that led from the island through the [[space bridge]] to Cybertron. Megatron, meanwhile, had been attacked by [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] under secret orders from [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]]. When Predaking was defeated, (possibly) Breakdown found a "[[laser disk]]" inside Predaking that proved Shockwave's treachery. And then Megatron went nuts and apparently blew up himself and the Space Bridge before their eyes. {{storylink|Gone but Not Forgotten!}}

[[File:Clubconresort.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|left|Breakdown is responsible for the mints on pillows.]]
Breakdown was seen among the Decepticons on board Shockwave's island base. When it was attacked by [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Fortress Maximus]], Breakdown and the others traveled with the space-faring island headquarters into Earth's orbit, though Shockwave was seemingly killed in the process. {{storylink|The Desert Island of Space!}} [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], who had assumed command, organized Breakdown and the other Decepticons in a battle against the Autobots on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] defended himself by throwing a moon rock at his head. But when their island ship was damaged, Ratbat called for a retreat. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

Ratbat moved their space-traveling island base back to Earth's seas, where it became a human travel resort to smokescreen the Decepticons' efforts to locate a key to finding the powerful [[Underbase]]. Breakdown was advertised on television as part of the island's smiling welcoming party. {{storylink|Club Con!}} Shortly thereafter, Ratbat's Decepticons met with [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]]'s Decepticons, and tempers and suspicions came to a head between the two groups as Breakdown was helping move fuel to the island base's fission tubes. {{storylink|Cold War!}}

=====Earthforce=====
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Breakdown was briefly seen at the [[Enclave]], rubbing shoulders with the various troops from Megatron and [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]]'s factions. {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}} Later, after the factions merged, he drove into battle alongside the Stunticons and [[Battlecharger]]s when [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] led an attack on Autobot [[Earthbase]]. Although the Autobot defense systems were down at the time, Breakdown and his comrades were still ultimately driven off. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}} On another occasion, Starscream and Soundwave learned the Autobots had a [[Irwin Spoon|human reporter]] writing a positive story about them. Fearing that good publicity among the humans would give Earthforce an edge, they sent the Stunticons to kidnap the human. {{storylink|Front Line! (issue)|Front Line!}} As Motormaster made off with the reporter, Breakdown and the Stunticons ran interference against the Autobot cars following him. After [[Jazz (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Jazz]] transformed and got off a quick shot at their leader, Breakdown rear-ended him in the legs. The Autobot was knocked out of the fight, but so was Breakdown as he had caved in his own hood in the effort. {{storylink|End of the Road! (UK)|End of the Road!}}
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=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
[[File:Ravage stunticons ark duty.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8|Lucky Draw Orange Stunticons]]
Breakdown and the Stunticons attacked [[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]] on the road in [[2003]], making an attempt to steal the plans for the upcoming [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. They were successful, but the plans were a set of fakes, so they ultimately didn't gain anything. {{storylink|Ark Duty}}

In [[2008]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], and [[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]] were compelled by [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] to make an assassination attempt on the Decepticon leader, Shockwave. They sealed the door to the audience chamber during the attack, and so Soundwave summoned the Stunticons as Menasor to break through the door. They eventually did so, and Breakdown and Dead End were about to execute the Decepticon traitors when Death's Head returned with news of Shockwave's demise. Using a series of explosives built into his hover platform as an incentive, the bounty hunter forced Soundwave and the other Decepticons to submit to their leadership. {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}}

====''Transformers Comic-Magazin''====
Breakdown and the Stunticons battled the Autobots over possession of an oil refinery and its resources. {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 11|He Who Laughs Last...}}

====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
[[File:NewDawn-Breakdown.jpg|thumb|100px|Sneering because they forgot about his snazzy new colors.]]
Breakdown was among the Decepticons rallied for war against the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]] after [[Skullgrin]]'s death. {{storylink|New Dawn}}
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===The Special Teams===
Breakdown and the rest of the Stunticons were being kept a secret from the Autobots until Megatron was ready to dispatch them on a raid on the [[Pullen Power Plant]]. Once in position, the Stunticons raced forward, ready to take whatever Autobots might be guarding the location by surprise. Breakdown drove ahead of the rest of the group, scouting for an open road to their destination. Encountering the Protectobots en route, Motormaster ordered Breakdown and the other Stunticons to combine into Menasor to do battle. Dead End and Breakdown received the most damage during the fight, prompting them to send signals to their gestalt form to flee the battle. The fight soon began to weigh in the Autobots’ favour, prompting Menasor to split up into individual robots once more, who dispersed away from the battlefield. {{storylink|The Special Teams}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
The Stunticons were deemed psychotic and too dangerous to function in society, and as a result were placed into perpetual stasis lock inside of a [[Detention Banks|prison facility]]. Later, in an attempt to create a diversion while he set his final plans in motion, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] arranged for the release of the Stunticons. {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}} They formed into Menasor and ran amok for a while, until [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] arrived and began insulting them. Unable to reconcile with this, the five Stunticons began to bicker with each other over whose fault it was that they were failing, temporarily stopping Menasor and allowing Ultra Magnus to ram the combiner in the chest, forcing him to separate into his component parts and disabling the Stunticons. {{storylink|Passive Aggression}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:GIJoevsTFII 2 Breakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"I learned ''this'' from [[Scrounge (G1)|Scrounge]]!"]]
It must've been Breakdown's lucky day when [[Teletran 3]] went haywire and transported him and the Stunticons to 1930s [[Chicago]], as unlike his comrades, he stayed conscious the whole time instead of getting locked in a new vehicle mode. Breakdown decided to stay quiet, however, and let himself be used by a human criminal gang until he and the others were found by a group of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joes]] and [[Cobra]] members sent to bring the lost Cybertronians back to the future. After overhearing [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] explaining what would happen to Earth if the Stunticons weren't retrieved, Breakdown revealed himself and stole [[Beachhead]]'s [[disruption unit]]s, using them to awaken Dead End, Wildrider and Drag Strip. With Motormaster absent, Breakdown led the others in a car chase across Chicago, which ended when Prime and the humans found Motormaster and sent everyone back to present-day Cybertron. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #2}}

[[File:ArtofWar4 Breakdown shoots Nautilator.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|WESSIDE!]]
The Stunticons were later recruited into [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]'s army, and Breakdown both helped capture some Autobots and G.I. Joes and attack an Autobot peace ceremony in the form of Menasor. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 3|The Art of War #3}} Following the battle, he and [[Nautilator]] were assigned to guard the imprisoned Joes, and Breakdown told his fellow Decepticon how freaky it was to be on Earth and have all those fleshlings stare at you. He then decided to check up on the [[Snake-Eyes|prisoner in black]], only to hypnotized by the human's [[Arashikage]] ninja techniques and forced to gun down Nautilator. After then freeing the humans, Breakdown was released from Snake-Eyes's control and fell unconscious. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 4|The Art of War #4}} After coming to his senses, Breakdown joined his fellow Decepticons in repelling a joint Autobot/G.I. Joe assault. Despite being backed up by powerful 'bots such as [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], the Decepticons were defeated and Cybertron remained in the Autobots' control. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}
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===''The Beast Within''===
During a particularly violent battle between the Autobots and the Decepticons, Breakdown joined with the other Stunticons to form Menasor and do battle with [[Beast (G1)|The Beast]], the Dinobots’ combined form. {{storylink|The Beast Within}}
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===''Mystery of Convoy'' strategy guide manga===
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The five Stunticons confronted Ultra Magnus as he reached the end of the [[Floating City]], combining into Menasor and opening fire on the Autobot. {{storylink|Transformers (Mystery of Convoy)#Menasor's Weak Point is His Forehead!|Menasor's Weak Point is His Forehead!}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[...For All Mankind|Transformers vol. 1 #1]]
[[File:Broadcast-BreakdownWildrider.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Early in the war, Breakdown and Wildrider tried to take out the anti-Decepticon pirate news broadcaster, [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], after [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]] had revealed his location. They attacked Blaster only to be taken out by the arriving [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Broadcast}}

After Megatron fell in battle and the powerful but unreliable Scorponok took over the cause, many Decepticons scattered rather than serve under him. Breakdown and the Stunticons became highwaymen on [[Magmara Nine]] until [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]] arrived and told them Megatron was back in charge. {{storylink|Primacy issue 2|Primacy #2}} Breakdown and the Stunticons participated in a massive strike on Autobot-controlled Cybertron under Megatron's command, launching the modern incarnation of the Autobot/Decepticon War. {{storylink|Primacy issue 4|Primacy #4}}

[[File:ForAllMankind-Breakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"I hated that show!"]]
Breakdown was among the Decepticons abandoned on Earth after the fall of [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]]. Two years later, he was so desperate for energon that he attacked a human solar power planet, looking to somehow recharge. [[Skywatch]] was dispatched to the scene, and they overpowered the Stunticon using armored [[Crash suit]]s. By attaching a mode-lock device, the Skywatch agents forcibly reverted Breakdown to vehicle mode, leaving him trapped and unable to operate himself. [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Spike Witwicky]] took possession of Breakdown's car mode himself after the battle. {{storylink|...For All Mankind}}

Breakdown was then been relegated to Spike's pimpmobile, although the human did repair the battle damage first before taking the Decepticon out on the town. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 1: "New Arrivals, Old Encounters"|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} Witwicky drove Breakdown to Skywatches' headquarters to interrogate Optimus Prime, who had surrendered himself. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 2: "A Rude Awakening"|A Rude Awakening}}

After an enlightening conversation with Optimus, Spike left to drive Breakdown around to help clear his head. He asked Breakdown rhetorical questions about his feelings on the war, knowing that the [[Suppressor (device)|suppressor]] kept the captive Decepticon from being able to listen, but Spike's one-sided chat was suddenly interrupted. The other [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] had surrounded Breakdown on the road, hoping to rescue him. Reclaiming Breakdown wouldn't be easy, as Spike began unloading gunfire at them through his busted window. Despite these countermeasures, Spike was forced to abandon Breakdown by leaping out his window into a body of water when he saw the much bigger [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] heading towards him in a game of chicken.

Breakdown was returned to the construction site of a spaceship, built by an alliance between some Decepticons and a group of Autobots led by [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hot Rod]]. [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] spent three hours doing mysterious repairs on Breakdown, cutting into time needed to build the spaceship, a decision that had begun to rub the Autobots the wrong way. But when [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and a group of deputized Autobots under [[Bumblebee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Bumblebee]]'s command arrived to arrest everyone for their illegal actions, Swindle's gambit was revealed. Breakdown had been rebuilt, like the other Stunticons, to combine into the massive [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. Surprise! {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 4: "Enemies of the System"|Enemies of the System}}

[[File:PoliceAction1-Breakdown.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Breakdown teaches Spike an important lesson in helmet safety.]]
Despite their new physical power, however, the Stunticons' combiner process was imperfect. The individual robots' personalities did not properly blend into one another to create the Menasor gestalt mind, leaving them mentally disorganized. Breakdown was heard complaining that he couldn't see anything from his position as one of the legs. The Autobots took advantage of this weakness, targeting the individual Stunticon components in sequence. Breakdown was seen surrendering to Skywatch in the aftermath. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 5: "Earthworks"|Earthworks}}

[[File:Stunticons The Question.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3]]
Months later, the Stunticons were freed from their captivity when Decepticons under Megatron's command returned to Earth and attacked the Skywatch facility where they were held. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 1: The Demolished Man|The Demolished Man}} Around six weeks later, Breakdown ran Spike off his motorbike and attempted to kill him. Unfortunately, [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] and [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] were observing Spike as part of the Autobots' investigation into him, and they gave Breakdown a bit of a beating. {{storylink|Police Action: Part 1|Police Action #1}} He returned to the other Decepticons, who were planning on joining Megatron on Cybertron via [[space bridge]], but ended up staying behind alongside the other Stunticons to destroy an intruding Bumblebee. However, Bumblebee was able to capture all five of them by sabotaging the bridge, causing a power surge that knocked them out. {{storylink|The Question}}

Losing to Bumblebee was a major blow to the Stunticons' egos and reputation. They mostly stayed off the radar when Cybertron was repopulated following the Chaos event, congregating in the Decepticon ghetto outside of New Iacon. When Swindle arrived with the [[Enigma of Combination]] to restore Menasor, however, Breakdown and the Stunticons jumped at the chance to reclaim their fame. Swindle and the Stunticons travelled through Metroplex's space bridge and stormed Caminus. {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}}

Things quickly went downhill for the Stunticons and Menasor was summarily trounced by the similarly rebuilt Superion. The Stunticons were disassembled, sent back to Cybertron, and imprisoned. {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}} Swindle sprang the Stunticons as part of a diversion; they formed Menasor and incited a Decepticon riot at Metroplex's space bridge. {{storylink|You, Me, and the Universe}} The Stunticons fared poorly in their second fight against the Autobot combiners, and after Menasor fell the Stunticons were put away for good. {{storylink|All That Remains}}
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===''TransTech''===
[[File:InvasionEpilogue-cardtable.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Aw dang we hoped they'd bump into the teal and pink one!]]
A Breakdown (in a forestonite-enhanced body) was among the many Offworlders in [[Axiom Nexus]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 4}}

Another Breakdown, hailing from a [[The War Against the Destructons, Chapter 1 of 3|universe]] where an Autobot-Decepticon alliance was fighting a group of violent techno-organic aliens known as [[Destructon]]s, was tasked by Galvatron to find the Destuctons' ancient structure known as the [[Maelstrom Fracture Obelisk]]. Eventually finding it, Breakdown was about to report its location when the Destructon known as [[Psychokhan]] attacked, piercing him with a Psychospear. The spear's mental assault combined with the power of the obelisk's [[Disentanglement Field]] to send Breakdown flinging through the multiverse. Years later, the [[Transcendent Technomorph]]s found his energy signature in [[unspace|transwarp]] and brought him into [[Axiom Nexus]]. The advanced Cybertronians quickly fitted him with an [[identification bolt]] and left him under constant surveillance. {{storylink|Breakdown (G1)#Timelines|TFSS Breakdown bio card}}

Breakdown was playing cards with a number of other bots in Axiom Nexus when [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Hero Prime|Hero Prime]] and [[Optimus Prime (Armada)#Beast Prime|Beast Prime]] turned up looking for [[Depth Charge (BW)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Depth Charge]]. {{storylink|Invasion: Epilogue}}
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===Ask Vector Prime===
Breakdown was presumably present as part of Menasor during the Battle for [[Sherman Dam]] in [[Primax 096.0 Beta]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/06}}

==Commercial appearances==
[[File:BotCon2010Promo-Breakdown.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4|For some reason he has a thing about [[BotCon]].]]
*Breakdown and the rest of the Stunticons drove over a barren, rocky terrain to meet against the Aerialbots. Both teams combined, and their gestalt forms engaged in a no-holds-barred slug-fest. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Aerialbots and Stunticons|Aerialbots and Stunticons commercial}}
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] called Breakdown and [[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]] to him to help him brainstorm ideas for more ultimate weapons. Breakdown suggested they visit [[BotCon]] again, as it was the destination for everything Transformers-related. Also, there would be exclusive toys, special guests, and various functions and events! Little did Breakdown know that Counterpunch was a double agent, and that the Decepticons' designs for BotCon would soon be relayed to the Autobots. {{storylink|BotCon 2010 Promo}}
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==Games==
===''Bot Shots Battle Game!''===
[[File:BotShots Breakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Okay, Breakdown, just keep it together and smile...OH GOD SOMEONE'S BEEN PLAYING ME ALL ALONG!]]
Breakdown participated in numerous one-on-one matches against other Autobots and Decepticons, using his fists, his sword, or his gun to defeat his opponents. Sometimes, he even faced off against himself! {{storylink|Bot Shots Battle Game!}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
Breakdown and the rest of the Stunticons were created in response to the failure of a Decepticon campaign to acquire Autobot superfuel. Realizing they needed a strong ground force, Breakdown and his kin were created by modifying Earth vehicles with Cybertronian technology, and then bringing them before Vector Sigma to be imbued with the spark of life. The Autobots brought the Aerialbots to life at the same time, and the Decepticons found themselves on the losing side until the Stunticons merged into Menasor. The Decepticons lost nonetheless, though they acquired the key to Vector Sigma as a consolation prize. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1 (Legends)|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}} Later, Breakdown participated in a fight on Earth as the Decepticons attempted to use the power of the key to transform Earth into a new Cybertron. Even though he and his fellow Stunticons merged into Menasor, the battle was still lost to the Autobots, and the Decepticons fled. {{storylink|Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2}}

Even [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] had trouble controlling the Stunticons. The team went on a crime spree in the back alleys of human cities until they were tracked down and stopped by [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and his team. {{storylink|The Thin Blue Line}}

Breakdown was among [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s Decepticon troops who attacked a small group of Autobots, forcing them into hiding in the [[Autobot Mausoleum]]. {{storylink|Dark Awakening (Legends)|Dark Awakening}}

Wildrider and Breakdown were sent to stop a convoy of Autobots from delivering a vital component to a power station to prevent it exploding. Possibly because they were the only ones crazy enough not to realize they'd be in danger if they were near the station when it exploded. They failed anyway. {{storylink|Rushdown Road}}

===''Angry Birds Transformers''===
{{main|Chef Pig#As Breakdown}}
Breakdown appears as a character unlockable in Challenge Events. He is portrayed by Chef Pig. {{storylink|Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:BattleTacticsBreakdown.jpg|thumb|400px|Oh no...everyone is out to get me! I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG! I gotta get out. I GOTTA GET OUT OF THIS GAME!!]]
Breakdown participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was an Uncommon character who could be recruited by collecting 45 units of Cybermetal, and 20 units of Transmetal. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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===''Transformers: Devastation''===
As [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] was about to repair the ''[[Proudstar]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s damaged [[Plasma Core]], Breakdown and the other Stunticons arrived and formed Menasor in an attempt to stop the Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: Devastation}}
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===''Transformers: Frontiers''===
{{charstubgame|{{storylink|Transformers: Frontiers}}}}

===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[file:breakdownEarthwars.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75| OH GOD!!! I WAS RIGHT!!!! MY CONSPIRACY WAS RIGHT!!!! [[Motormaster (G1)|HE'S]] COMING!!!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVEEEEES!!!!!!]]

Breakdown showed up through the Space Bridge sometime during the battle for the Fractal Map, but was too afraid to take part.

He had a nice "talk" with [[Octopunch (G1)|Octopunch]] when Octopunch was sulking about his loss on Aquatron. Breakdown avoided having a conversation by saying he had more important things to do, like getting his servos realigned.
{{storylink| Transformers: Earth Wars|Octopunch Research}}

Breakdown wasn't too pleased when the bragging Dragstrip arrived on Earth, but Bludgeon welcomed him, and then told Breakdown to show his "friend" where the Autobots are on the race track. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars/Events| Race Day Mayhem}}

*'''Class:''' Gunner
*'''Lowest Star Rating:''' 2 star
*'''Weapons''': Breakdown uses a standard issue [[grenade launcher]].
*'''Ability: EMP Rocket Barrage''' - Breakdown fires off 5 rockets that disables enemy buildings for a few seconds.
*'''Cost:''' 4 ability points (was 5) +2 for reuses.

[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:breakdown Breakdown at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]
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===''Transformers: Bumblebee Overdrive''===
Breakdown was among the Decepticons defending their multiple bases against Autobot invasors. {{storylink|Transformers: Bumblebee Overdrive}}
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==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}[[File:G1Breakdown toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Wahoo reaction, now a gucci cola sale]]
*'''Breakdown''' (Stunticon, [[1986]]/[[1987]])
**''Team ID number'': '''S2'''
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-51'''
**''Accessories'': [[Concussion weapon|concussion rifle]], [[plasma-energy blaster]], connector
:The original Breakdown toy transforms into an off white [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#Lamborghini Countach|Lamborghini Countach]]. He comes with a blue double-barreled plasma-energy blaster that attaches to the back of his vehicle mode. In robot mode, he is armed with a small blue laser pistol. As he was designed with the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1986 (Scramble City and 2010)|Scramble City]]-style of combination, he can form the arm or leg to any similarly-constructed super robot. Although the 1986 Stunticon gift set shows Breakdown as the left arm of Menasor, Breakdown's nominal placement is as Menasor's right leg.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Breakdown/breakdown.htm More information on Breakdown at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive/instructions/decepticon/1986/instr_breakdown.jpg Instructions for Breakdown at Botchthecrab.com]''

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*'''Menasor''' (Giftset, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-55'''
**''Accessories'': concussion rifle, plasma-energy blaster, connector
:Breakdown was also available as part of the Menasor giftset in numerous markets, along with his teammates [[Motormaster (G1)#G1Menasor|Motormaster]], [[Dead End (G1)#G1Menasor|Dead End]], [[Drag Strip (G1)#G1Menasor|Drag Strip]], and [[Wildrider (G1)#G1Menasor|Wildrider]]. All of the toys in the set are identical to their individual releases.

::*''[http://tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Menasor/menasor.htm More information on Menasor at TFU.info]''

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*'''Breakdown''' ([[1990]])
**''Accessories'': concussion rifle, plasma-energy blaster, connector
:Breakdown was rereleased without changes in 1990 as part of the [[Europe]]an/[[Australia]]n ''[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]'' reissue line.

===''Generation 2''===
[[File:G2-toy Breakdown.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you aren't teal.]]
*'''Breakdown''' (Stunticon, [[1994]])
**''Team ID number:'' '''S3'''
**''Accessories'': concussion rifle, plasma-energy blaster, connector
:''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' Breakdown was released as an [[exclusive]] at [[BotCon 1994]]. Its confirmed production run numbers a mere 300 specimens: 204 were available at BotCon '94, an additional 48 were given official release the following January at the 1995 Florida Extravaganza Collectibles Show, and the rest initially remained in Hasbro's possession and over the years have probably made their way into private collections. Originally, Hasbro had planned to mass-release a complete set of ''Generation 2'' Stunticons, but ultimately only Breakdown saw official release in any form. The "collect them all!" [[cross-sell]] on the back of the packaging featuring the other Stunticons was covered by a BotCon 1994 sticker.

:The toy is, of course, a [[redeco]] of the original Breakdown toy, and has the distinction of being the first [[BotCon]] toy ever.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1994/Decepticon/Breakdown/breakdown.htm More information on ''Generation 2'' Breakdown at TFU.info]''
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===''Timelines''===
[[File:BreakdownBotcon.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb|Cue the Miami Vice [[theme song|theme]].]]
*'''Generation 2: Redux''' (BotCon 2010 box set)
**''Accessories'': pistol, engine block
:A [[redeco]] and new-head [[retool]]ing of the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Sideswipe]]/[[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Sunstreaker]] mold, Breakdown transforms into a heavily-modified-for-legal-purposes {{w|Lamborghini Gallardo}} in his ''Generation 2'' color scheme. He uses the "Sideswipe" robot mode with the hood-chest. His pistol can be mounted in either of the holes on his shoulders, as well as combined with the removable engine assembly to form a beefier-looking weapon. The engine can also be mounted on his back as his [[jet pack]]. His [[license plate]] reads "BCFW94", as in "BotCon Fort Wayne '94", the [[BotCon 1994|very first BotCon ever]].

:Breakdown features the hole where the light bar would screw in on ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Red Alert on the top of his car mode roof. In order to match the original release, his headlights are painted over rather than being transparent pieces like in previous uses of this mold.

:He is part of a ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]''-themed five-figure box set available [[exclusive]]ly at [[BotCon 2010]], alongside [[Clench (G1)#Timelines|Clench]], [[Pyro (G1)#Timelines|Autobot Spark]], [[Streetwise (G1)#Timelines|Streetwise]], and [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]].

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei!]]''/''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Red Alert (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Red Alert]] and the [[Transformers Collectors' Club|Club]]-exclusive [[Punch (G1)#Timelines|Punch/Counterpunch]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2010/Decepticon/BCBreakdown/breakdown.htm More information on ''Timelines'' G2 Breakdown at TFU.info]''
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[[File:TFSS Preview Breakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Breakdown''' (Deluxe, [[2013]])
**''TFSS1 number'': '''4'''
**''Accessories'': concussion cannon, vibro-projection engine
:By popular demand, a [[redeco]] of BotCon 2010 Breakdown in his pre-[[Forestonite]] Generation 1 colors. He was the fourth figure sent out as part of the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] [[Transformers Figure Subscription Service]] 1.0 in 2013.

:This version of the figure seems to suffer from mold degradation; the "dramatic head reveal" function doesn't stay in place, the gun and supercharger can't stay clipped together, it's difficult for the gun to peg into the holes near Breakdown's shoulders, and his balljoints are rather loose. Just like the previous figure, his headlights are painted over.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/TFSSBreakdown/breakdown.htm More information on ''Timelines'' Subscription Service Breakdown at TFU.info]''
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===''Bot Shots''===
[[File:BSToy-Breakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Stunticons''' (Multi-pack, 2013)
**''Number'': '''T010'''
***''Fist strength'': '''685'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''570'''
***''Sword strength'': '''355'''
:A redeco of the [[Roadbuster (DOTM)#Bot Shots|Roadbuster]] Bot Shot in white and blue, Breakdown automatically transforms between car and robot mode, when a sharp impact is applied to his front end. He was sold in a five-pack with [[Motormaster (G1)#Bot Shots|Motorbreath]], [[Dead End (G1)#Bot Shots|Dead End]], [[Drag Strip (G1)#Bot Shots|Decepticon Dragstrip]], and [[Wildrider (G1)#Bot Shots|Brake-Neck]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/BSBreakdown/breakdown.htm More information on Breakdown at TFU.info]''
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===''Kre-O''===
[[File:KreO-Toy Breakdown.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Wait, I can get eaten?! AHHHHHHHH!!!!]]
*'''Menasor''' (Micro-Changer Combiner, 2014)
**''Set number'': '''A7308'''
**''Pieces'': '''90'''
**''Accessories'': pistol
:"Decepticon Breakdown" is a [[Kreon]] included with the [[Menasor (G1)#Kre-O|Menasor]] [[Micro-Changer]] combiner set, and can be rebuilt from robot to either sports car or Menasor's right leg. His deco is based on the [[#Generation 1|Generation 1 Breakdown toy]], and he wears a blue [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Starscream]] helmet.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Decepticon/Kre-OBreakdown/breakdown.htm More information on Breakdown at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Kreon Breakdown.JPG|thumb|300px| AND NOW I LOOK LIKE CANDY!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!]]
*'''Kreon Breakdown''' (Kreon Souvenir Figure Set, 2014)
**''Accessories'': small pistol, double-barreled pistol
:"Kreon Breakdown" uses the same body tampograph pattern and [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] build as the retail version, but his colors and [[insignia|faction symbol]] are from the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[#Generation 2|version of Breakdown]], plus he has a different face with a Constructicon helmet. His vehicle mode build also uses tampographs for extra detailing as opposed to the decals of the retail version.

:He was only available as part of a [[BotCon 2014]] ''Kre-O'' six-pack, including [[Fractyl#Kre-O|Fractyl]], [[Overlord (G1)#Kre-O|Gigatron]], [[Landshark (G1)#Kre-O|Landshark]], [[Rattrap (BW)/toys#Kre-O|Rattrap]], and [[Rodimus (SG)#Kre-O|Shattered Glass Rodimus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Decepticon/BCKre-OBreakdown/breakdown.htm More information on BotCon Breakdown at TFU.info]''

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*'''Combiner Robot Mega Pack''' (3-pack, 2016)
**''Set number'': '''???'''
**''Pieces'': '''245'''
:3 years later, the 3 Micro-Changer combiners, Superion, Bruticus, and Menasor, were reissued and released as a 3-pack. The toys were unchanged from their individual releases.
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===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:Generationstoy-Breakdown.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Back to my old self! (But what's in it for [[Hasbro|THEM?!?]])]]
*'''Breakdown''' (Deluxe Class, [[2015]])
**'''4 of 5: [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]'''
**''Accessories:'' sword/gun, gun/fist/foot
:Part of the second wave of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Deluxe Class toys, Breakdown is a new-mold figure which transforms from a supercar resembling a Lamborghini Diablo crossed with a Kode 0 to robot and back. As a ''Combiner Wars'' Deluxe, he is able to form a limb for any ''Combiner Wars''-style Voyager figure but is, of course, intended to be combined with [[Motormaster (G1)#Combiner Wars|Motormaster]], [[Drag Strip (G1)#Generations|Drag Strip]], [[Dead End (G1)#Combiner Wars|Dead End]], [[Offroad (CW)#Toys|Offroad]], and [[Blackjack (G1)#Generations|Blackjack]] to create [[Menasor (G1)#Generations|Menasor]]. He is also officially associated with [[Galvatronus (CW)#Toys|Galvatronus]].

:The limb piece can connect on the vehicle mode's top in two different ways: either by using the 5mm peghole arrangement most of the other Stunticons use, or through a system of tabs which incorporate the weapon closer to the vehicle, evoking the custom engines [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] had [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Generations|''for some reason'']]. The limb piece can also be stored on the robot's back, a feature also shown in the figure's [[package art]], also evoking the custom engines Sunstreaker had [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|''for some reason'']] (this can either be achieved by using the 5 mm peg, or by folding back the limb piece's palm and thumb, and using the guide-rails located on the sides of the limb piece). Breakdown's sword/gun can tab into either of the slots on the car mode's sides.

:Strangely, unlike the other Stunticons, Breakdown's limb piece is not molded in purple plastic, but instead molded in black and painted a more blue-ish shade of purple, causing it to stand out among the other Stunticon hands and feet.

:Breakdown comes with a copy of ''Combiner Wars'' #5 (actually [[The Verge|''Robots in Disguise'' #13]]). In non-U.S. releases, he comes with a collector card featuring art from the episode "[[The Thin Blue Line]]" of ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]''.

:As a part of the first and second wave promotion in Hasbro's Asian markets, a free sticker sheet for the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]]s and [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]]s was given out when purchasing any four Deluxe Class toys from those waves. As such, Breakdown was given Generation 1 toy-esque stickers for the owner to apply if they wanted.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-generations-combiner-wars-free-g1-sticker-sheet-with-tru-singapore/32469/ Aerialbot and Stunticon sticker promotion on Seibertron.com]</ref>

:This mold was differently [[retool]]ed each time to make [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Generations|Sunstreaker]], [[Jumpstream#Toys|Jumpstream]], [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Wheeljack]], [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Ravage]], and [[Punch (G1)#Generations|Wrecker Counterpunch]]. It also served as the model for the non-toy ''[[Of Masters and Mayhem]]'' incarnation of [[Sideswipe (G1)#Of Masters and Mayhem|Sideswipe]] and the ''[[Spatiotemporal Challengers]]'' incarnation of [[Turbo (GoBots)#Timelines|Turbo]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Decepticon/CWBreakdown/breakdown.htm More information on ''Combiner Wars'' Breakdown at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Generations_g2_breakdown.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|right|[[#Generation 2|This]] [[#Timelines|again...]]]]
*'''Menasor''' (Collection Pack, 2016)
**''Accessories:'' sword, Stunticon weapons/extremities
:Breaking the cycle of being a BotCon exclusive, this Breakdown is a [[redeco]] of his ''Combiner Wars'' toy in his ''Generation 2'' color-scheme. Well, okay, technically, his color scheme is based on [http://air-hammer.deviantart.com/art/G2-Stunticons-Digibash-471989649 somebody's digibash] based on [http://cybertron.ca/boards/showthread.php?p=76573 somebody's hand-painted recreation] of the cancelled ''Generation 2'' toys, including an erroneous purple and silver Breakdown instead of the proper pink and gold. The tampograph on his windscreen now reads "94 RACING" as a reference to the intended 1994 release of the G2 Stunticon toys.

:This Breakdown is only available in a ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]''-themed gift set of [[Menasor (G1)#CWG2|Menasor]] with [[Motormaster (G1)#CWG2|Motormaster]], [[Drag Strip (G1)#CWG2|Dragstrip]], [[Wildrider (G1)#CWG2|Brake-Neck]], [[Dead End (G1)#GenerationsG2|Dead End]] and [[Blackjack (G1)#CWG2|Blackjack]]

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2016/Decepticon/CWBreakdown/breakdown.htm More information on ''Combiner Wars'' Generation 2 Breakdown at TFU.info]''
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===''Unite Warriors''===
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[[File:TF-Unite-Warriors-UW-02-Breakdown.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Ah! I look slightly more obvious! Get [[Fandom|them]] away from me!]]
*'''Stuntron Combined Soldier Menasor''' (giftset, [[August 22]], [[2015]])
**''ID number:'' '''UW-02'''
**''English name:'' '''Decepticon Stunticons Combiner Menasor'''
**''Accessories:'' sword (formed from Motormaster's sword and gun), 4 hands/feet, 4 small weapons
:The ''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' release of Breakdown is sold in a [[Menasor (G1)#Unite Warriors|Menasor]] gift set that includes the five original "Stuntrons". He has numerous changes in deco to better match his look in the Generation 1 cartoon. Oddly, the Takara version of Breakdown substitutes his regular hand/foot weapon for one identical to Drag Strip's. Whilst this means that the hands and feet can be symmetrical in combined mode (with two of the Drag Strip type and two of the Dead End type), this does mean that it doesn't clip onto his car roof like the original did, nor can it slide into the specially-molded groove in the back of his robot mode.

:This toy is also officially associated with [[Grand Scourge#Toys|Scourge Grand Prime]].

{{CWBreakdownMold}}

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==Merchandise==
===Transformers Trading Card Game===
[[File:W2Breakdown.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Breakdown, Paranoid Scout''' (2019)
**'''Wave 2: Rise of the Combiners'''
**''Rarity: '''''CT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T13/T46'''
**''Stars: ''5
:Breakdown, Paranoid Scout was released as part of the [[Transformers Trading Card Game]] Wave 2: Rise of the Combiners. Like all other members of [[combiner]] teams released in the set, Breakdown, Paranoid Scout is a folding card, with the Bot and Alt modes being depicted when the card is folded in half, and a holofoil portion of the the combined mode depicted when unfolded. The reverse of Breakdown, Paranoid Scout depicts [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor's]] left arm, which is formed by Breakdown in the artwork.

:The artwork for Bot and Alt Mode is reused from the ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]'' mobile game, and is based on the 2013 [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] [[Transformers Figure Subscription Service]] 1.0 Breakdown figure.

:Breakdown, Paranoid Scout can be used to form Menasor, Menacing Colossus with the use of the Action card [[Enigma of Combination|Stunticon Enigma]] while he and the other Wave 2 Stunticons are in Bot mode on the battlefield or KO area.
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==Notes==
[[File:G2Breakdown toy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|So what if he can't transform? He doesn't have to link up to that jerk Motormaster ever again!]]
*An ''unofficial'' [[Action Master]] ''Generation 2'' Breakdown was an exclusive at [[BotCon 2004]], created from bootlegged Action Master [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] parts. Though this wiki does not normally list unofficial items, this one is put here simply to reinforce that even though it is a [[BotCon]] toy, it was from the one year that BotCon was unofficial, and the toy is not [[Hasbro]]-approved either. Thank you, won't we?
*In the ''[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers Decepticons]]'' game based on the [[Transformers (film)|2007 movie]], an unlocked alternate mode called "Scout" is a [[homage]] to Breakdown.
*''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Runamuck (ROTF)|Runamuck]]'s vehicle mode deco homages Breakdown's Generation 1 form.
**Also, ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Brakedown (ROTF)|Brakedown]] homages G1 Breakdown in form, color, ''and'' name.
*Breakdown's depiction in [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' comic is based upon ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 fanchise)|Universe]]'' [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]'s design sans roof. Since you can remove that mold's roof without tools, you can mistransform the Subscription Service figure mentioned above to match this portrayal.
*Breakdown is one of only two characters to have ''three'' BotCon exclusive toys, although one of them is the previously-mentioned unofficial bootleg. (The other one is [[Apelinq (BM)|Apelinq]]
*In ''Earth Wars'', in addition to sharing some elements in design & transformation with [[Jumpstream#Transformers:_Earth_Wars|Jumpstream]] & [[Sunstreaker_(G1)#Transformers:_Earth_Wars|Sunstreaker]] (the latter of whom is also Gunner class), Breakdown looks around in confusion after transforming from alternate to robot mode. This is likely a hint of his paranoia. Poor guy.
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Breakdown''' (ブレークダウン ''Burēkudaun'', ブレイクダウン ''Bureikudaun'')
*''French:'' '''Panicon''' (Canada, 1986 release), '''Optique''' (Canada, 1990 "Classic" version)
*''Hungarian:'' '''Vibrátor''' ("Vibrator")
*''Italian:'' '''Caimano''' ("Caiman")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Phāo-máo''' (Taiwan, 拋錨, "Reject Anchor"), '''Dǎjí''' (China, 打击, "Strike")
*''Russian:'' '''Krushitel''' (Крушитель, "Crasher")

==References==
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[[Category:Bot Shots Decepticons]]
[[Category:Combiner Wars Decepticons]]
[[Category:Convention exclusives]]
[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 combiners]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 2 Decepticons]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Decepticons]]
[[Category:Kre-O Decepticons]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Scouts]]
[[Category:Stunticons]]
[[Category:The Headmasters Decepticons]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:TransTech Decepticons]]
[[Category:Unite Warriors Decepticons]]
[[Category:Wings Universe Decepticons]]

Talk:Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)

2022-09-09T15:27:07Z

ChristalIsMe:

== Split proposal ==
So, I just got Selects Lift-Ticket and was wondering about its pronouns (it/it/its, apparently). I noticed there was a split proposal for this article, but there wasn't even a talk page started, let alone a discussion of it. Please note, I didn't propose this split.

So, addressing the question of splitting this article, I would say no, at least for now. This article is still quite short, and splitting it between the Diaclone and (notionally) G1 sections would give us two even shorter articles, one consisting of the brief fiction section, the other of the brief toys section. At this point, there's no real need for this split.

Furthermore, the toys may be from G1-focused lines, but one was a Bot-Con exclusive where the fiction clearly had it coming from the Diaclone part of the multiverse, while the other is from Generation'''s''' which has already featured bots from non-G1 continutities (Hot Shot, Armada Starscream, Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime, plus the Prime related toys announced for Legacy), so Lift-Ticket's inclusion there does not necessarily imply being a part of G1. [[User:Waverod|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Waverod|talk]]) 15:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, I don't think we should be against short articles if they make sense, but given the complete lack of bio and fiction we're getting for the Legacy-associated Diaclone lines, combined with how it's being more ''multiversal'' than WFC's 'G1 all the time' approach, do we actively gain anything by splitting them? [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 19:19, 1 March 2022 (EST)
: I agree with Waverod and Akiba, for all the reasons given. Splitting this just gives us two worse articles instead of one better one. (Plus, like, it's not like Lift-Ticket came with any copy that said it WASN'T actually a person and not some mech-piloted thing.) ((unfortunately)) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:31, 1 March 2022 (EST)

== Mainpic ==

I'm in favour of the Diaclone boxart as mainpic - with Burn Out and Lift-Ticket's backstories, their original Diaclone toys are implicitly their "original designs", and the art was conveniently even published in a Transformers art book. Plus from a real-world perspective, the original Diaclone toys are invariably going to be what future creators go back to when using Lift-Ticket for fiction or toys again, versus the BotCon toys that are kind of just representative of what the current Skids and Hoist Generations moulds happened to be at the time they were brought into the franchise, y'know? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 05:00, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not because the ''Diaclone'' art is not Lift-Ticket (it's also not ''Transformers'' art, which is a rule that should only be broken with really, ''really'', '''''really''''' good reason, like, say, with Cobra Commander's pic). Lift-Ticket has literally never had that combination of body and colors. That's the Diaclone 4WD Hi-Lux Wrecker Type. There is, in fact, a difference. "Lift-Ticket" came into existence through ''Transformers'' as the BotCon toy, and his mainpic should reflect that. And the "future creators" thing is back to the whole issue of trying to "solve" Transformers and second/third-guess every way anyone could conceivably misinterpret everything and fail to look at more than one picture per page that made the whole "citogenesis" thing such a bloated pain. (Relevant message from the Discord: https://discordapp.com/channels/656241088826441729/656248887534944265/1005647033165692979) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:23, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::For once I agree whole heartedly with Sipher. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:52, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::I'd say my bigger priority here is that the profile card art looks like ass and being in ''Legacy'' makes them eligible for being ''Transformers'' art. Jala's point isn't about creators referring to the main pics in a fit of "misinterpretation" or whatever, but the simple fact that they're going to refer to the Diaclone designs in all further uses of the characters, not the T30 toys. Which we're already seeing with Masterpiece Burn Out. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 07:56, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::I don't think the bad art is a good enough excuse to go with art that isn't of their first explicitly-''Transformers'' forms. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 08:05, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::::I am also in favour of the Diaclone art. Even without it conventiently being included in a Transformers publication, well... these are Diaclone toys being included in the Transformers line and it seems more in spirit of what the first-appearance rule entails to use the Diaclone art, rather than the technical reading. Masterpiece Spin-Out and Blue Bluestreak both exist from an alternate Diaclone universe, Legacy toys are being marketed as Diaclone universe. The new Burn Out has a head based on the Diaclone art. They are so close to Transformers they sometimes made it into original Transformers art before production alterations, appearing in murals on the back of the box (if the argument for Diaclone art fails I say we use those instead, those predate FunPub by a few decades) [[User:Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 11:05, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I entirely agree with Jala and Saix here. I think that, frankly, sticking with the "first body" rule in this instance is wholly disingenuous - the BotCon design might technically have been the first way he appeared in Transformers media, but that's not the ''basis'' for the design, and pretending otherwise is just silly. The first body rule is a useful guideline, but I don't agree that it should be stuck to with such religious adherence. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:38, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::::::Add another vote of support for Jala's proposal. For exactly the reason Riptide gave. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:57, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::::I don't think there's anything to be gained from using back-of-box mural art. I'm 100% in favour of using the package art for the reasons Jala describes. That's just what Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket look like. I'd also be in favour of using it for Delta Magnus, but I think the Masterpiece card art would be a better choice there—certainly, either would be light-years ahead of the comic crop currently used. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 11:41, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::::::I find myself convinced by Riptide's argument as well. I do think it bears remarking we are in no small part ''already'' using retroactively canonized Diaclone assets for Diaclone-derived e-HOBBY characters. Declining to do so for Diaclone-derived characters from other sources (be it BotCon, IDW, or what have you) as they rack up toys transparently based on their "Generation 1" designs feels like the kind of playing coy to the detriment of the reader we try to avoid.

:::::::That said I do also agree with Wadapan that the distinction between Diaclone and Masterpiece character models is largely splitting hairs if folks feel more comfortable going with something akin to the "most prominent body" route when possible. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:37, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

Except those artworks are NOT MEANT TO BE Lift-Ticket et al. Frankly I'm not a big fan of this tendency to finagle the rules for these BotCon-original characters that keeps happening as of late. I was in favor of it for Flamewar, but that was at least a case of art actually intended to depict Flamewar. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:23, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:They're not? The names may have been applied later, but those are absolutely images of the two Diaclone mechs used in that story. There's swathes of characters, many originating from FunPub, that have only been named after the fact, but those retcons don't suddenly make them into separate things, at least not in the wiki's eyes as I understand. In Flamewar's case, we did end up sticking with the original depiction, rather than the revamped body. I would argue that, in the Flamewar case, the BotCon art we stuck with is analogous not to the profile art here as you purport, but to the Diaclone depictions that are the basis for the characters—without even the complicating factor that the redesign has risen to eclipse the original in prominence. It's only through a technicality that the first bodies can be said not to count here, such that instead the one-off aberration in these characters' history (simply a product of the molds available at that time) be given priority. That's the perspective I'm coming from, as someone who prefers the current Flamewar mainpic and likes ''Timelines'' stuff generally, so it's funny to me that you're presenting it like we have some specific bias regarding FunPub stuff. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:00, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::I didn’t say we didn’t end up with the original Flamewar art? My point is more specifically about us deciding “which is more prominent” which comes up for Shattered Glass et al. In any case, I entirely disagree with the idea that these bits of Diaclone art are explicitly Burn Out and Lift Ticket, because they didn’t exist as characters until 2015. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:18, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
As happened the last time there was a "what to do about these Diaclone guys" discussion, I strongly vote against weakening our standards for the sake of some concept of what we think Hasbro might be likely to do next. The new Transformer toy looks the same as the old Diaclone? What a great argument for using the actual Transformer toy's art, then - they even look the same! We should have strong borders between real and not-real Transformer content and firmly respect the chronologies in cases where formerly-not-real things became real. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:08, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
: Right. The mechs/humans in question are not real-world ''Diaclone'' characters transplanted into ''Transformers'', they are ''Transformers'' characters created for ''Transformers'' fiction that use ''Diaclone'' as a conceptual origin but ''do not exist in actual real-world Diaclone'', plus the "Dialcone universe" they hail from is similarly made up for ''Transformers'' and dramatically different from the actual original ''Diaclone'' fiction. I think that it's important to respect that real-world origin rather than obfuscate it, even if the most full-body art we have is not good and the company responsible is... ''yeah''. The old ''Diaclone'' art is ''inspiration'' for the ''Transformers'' characters, and we should use imagery of their ''Transformers'' origin. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:02, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

Okay, here's an alternate argument. Lift-Ticket and Burn Out are (explicitly, in-universe) imports of the Diaclone mechs given names and expanded backstories. Their BotCon toys were released in 2015. ''[[Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging]]'' was released in 2014. Thus, the first published images of those mechs in Transformers media used the Diaclone boxart, and as such those ARE their first bodies from Transformers media. As such, under a strict reading of the rules, we should use the Legacy art for the mainpics. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:39, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

Just to loop back to Sipher's first reply quickly to clarify myself, I'm 100% not suggesting this in terms of a "trying to prevent citogenesis" mindset or whatever, but just from taking a realistic perspective about how this character is going to be handled going forward. Lift-Ticket is, ultimately, defined by being a Transformers import of the red Diaclone Wrecker toy and - regardless of what ''we'' use as a mainpic, because, to be clear, I'm not making that argument - when in future there's a Masterpiece, or another Gens toy, or whatever, it's gonna be that Diaclone toy they go back to, not the BotCon one. In my mind at least, I've always understood the logic of the "first body rule" to be that that first design is the "core" of that character, the original source from which all later designs exist in relation to. For Lift-Ticket and Burn Out, that original source ultimately ''isn't'' the BotCon toys and their reused IDW designs, it's the Diaclone toys, and, ''personally'', I think it better serves the casual reader to take a more pragmatic approach with how we define these characters, rather than treating them as if the BotCon toy designs are their visual origin point? I ultimately don't actually feel strongly enough about this to argue it much longer, but that's my take on the matter. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 15:05, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::Our readers are not stupid. They can figure out for themselves these sorts of things. I'm not convinced that a casual reader would know what Diaclone is half the time, and frankly I think putting the Diaclone art would be essentially lying to them by making them think it was an original Generation 1 toy. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:55, 30 August 2022 (EDT)
: Well phrased - I entirely agree. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:19, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:That strikes me as the same argument as using, say, the Knickerbocker "Speedar" art as Windcharger's mainpic, which I also would argue against. As noted above, trying to stick with "what Hasbro might do" is a bad idea just in general, as if Has/Tak ever revisit the characters going forward (huge "if" admittedly but still we live in an age of miracle and wonder), they're going to use whatever vaguely Hoistlike/Skidslike molds they have available regardless of said molds' fidelity to the granular details of prior iterations/inspirations. I mean, Legacy Burn has the entirely wrong head for either the prior BC ''or'' Diaclone iteration, for crying out loud. And on top of the issues of preserving the actual real-world character history (again, they're not actually ''Diaclone'' characters and we shouldn't pretend they are or present them in a way that makes them appear to be), frankly I'm not keen on encouraging the snake to keep eating its own tail. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]])
::Sincere question - what exactly is the point of the "first body rule" if not preserving character design lineage, as Jalaguy described? I want to understand properly where you're coming from.
::(Also, and I recognise that this kind of contradicts me asking you for clarification - as a guy who directly worked on Burn Out and Lift-Ticket's BotCon incarnations, aren't you maybe a bit too close to the issue to get directly involved on the wiki?) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:50, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::You're vastly misinterpreting/nitpicking the "first body" guideline; by that logic, we should default to nothing but Diaclone/Microman/Knickerbocker/Beetras/etc concept imagery because that was the "character design lineage" origin point. We've always operated using the characters' real-world ''Transformers'' premiere as the mainpic basis, and we don't go changing that to chase whatever the character happens to look like in the franchise's immediate ''now''. And just to make the overall point of the guideline clearer, we've ''always'' had wiggle room allowing for the effectively-simultaneous release of toys with often-significantly-different-looking media designs to reflect that semicomplicated character origin. As for ''these'' characters, their real-world premiere is the ''Transformers'' BotCon toy set, the simultaneous release of the media depicts them with those designs, and that was their only depiction for over half a decade. The mainpic should reflect that, not non-''Transformers'' art for non-''Transformers'' toys from a non-''Transformers'' line from three decades prior that served as their ''inspiration'' (a word that's become super-overused as of late but sometimes it is, in fact, accurate).
:::As for "worked on", I had nothing to do with the toys' creation, that was decided and done and sent to the factories long before I had any involvement with the project. I co-wrote a comic script involving them that was largely ignored. And I would argue the same for anything I was 100% unconnected to (and ''have'': Flamewar). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:23, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::Right, I understand there's always been flexibility, but that's more of a "how" than a "why". From what you're saying, I guess the reasoning for the first body guideline is... so we don't have to update mainpics, I guess? I don't think I'm quite understanding.
::::As for the "well why don't we use the pre-transformer designs for everyone then"... we kind of do? Like, for instance, Optimus's mainpic is (an interpretation of) the Diaclone design. He's just appeared enough that we have options outside of the Battle Convoy art. I don't think that argument holds much water.
::::(And, as I've mentioned - the Diaclone art and BotCon toy both represent the red towtruck Diaclone mecha, and the Diaclone art was published in ''Legacy'' - a piece of official, licensed Transformers media - nine months before the BotCon toy was released. What makes one depiction valid and the other not?) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:59, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::::I think claiming that the Legacy page is intending to represent anything when Legacy is an out-of-universe guidebook showcasing real-world things is a bit willfully ignorant when it comes to this very much based in fiction issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:32, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::::I don't really see why? It's no more out-of-universe than the boxart itself. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:54, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::::::The cardart is on a tech specs. That puts it in the realm of fiction. The Legacy book is a non-fiction book. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:55, 30 August 2022 (EDT)
:The "Legacy" art is unnamed - it's a full-page spread of multiple art samples all just labeled "Diaclone", in a section titled "Pre-Transformer Oddities." The characters of BO and LT are not named because, of course, they didn't exist yet. "This is something alive that exists in the TF universe" came from after that. The source we would be citing for TF art says it isn't TF art. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:25, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::But Burn Out and Lift-Ticket are, explicitly, both in- and out-of-universe, the Diaclone mechs given names. We have one piece of art in officially-published Transformers media of the red Diaclone tow-truck mech, and another piece of art in officially-published Transformers media of the red Diaclone tow-truck mech, and it seems absurd to me to say that they're not representative of the same "character". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:49, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::For the record, Riptide, I think the "Legacy" argument is strong - but it's a strong self-contradictory argument for us doing something that is self-contradictory. We are being asked to say the "This is not a pipe" painting is a pipe, because we can point at it with an Impossible Trident. This is a case that is epistemologically difficult for our organizational systems (or at least, it is for me). --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:54, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I can understand that - it is an inherently nebulous situation. I will admit that the "Legacy is technically first" argument is at least a little tongue in cheek; "I don't think we should be so strict about the first body rule, but if we ARE going to be strict about it, ''technically'' we should be using the Legacy art anyway". Personally, I wouldn't be arguing so strongly in favour of it if not for the fact that it acts as the origin point of the design lineage AND represents the same in-universe Diaclone mech AND was published in TF source; it's the combination of factors that makes it feel silly to avoid using it, to me. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:03, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
So here's the thing - the whole "this BotCon toy was so totally meant to reference the Diaclone toy" - a toy, a concept that only becomes part of the Transformers franchise proper at the moment LT/BO are released. In the lore, yes, the Diaclone Red Wrecker has always been called LT. But not in the real world and also not in the actual Transformers franchise which this wiki purports to document. We don't do this for Loudpedal or Road Rage, we use the MP bio card art. Those are IMO roughly comparable conceptually, and in that case, we're using the "first body." The TF fiction created the character where the toy used to be. Prior to that, it was a blank canvas for you to project your own theories onto... much like the DK-series toys still are today, I guess, and we use photos of the toys for those two... so in each case, we're talking about two or three pages tops. Just stick to "first appearance in TF fiction body" for the Diaclone crew. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 20:28, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

I'm going to bring up this: [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Nemesis_Prime_(G1)&oldid=801378].
This is what using these mainpics feels like to me. Yes, it is certainly similar to what Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket look like (and admittedly they are closer in terms of real-world conception than this revision to Nemesis Prime), but it's not what either the original Diaclone artists, nor Jim or Bill when they complied the book, had in mind when they created/complied this artwork. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:59, 30 August 2022 (EDT)
:See this is what using the Bot-Con art comes off as to me. Sure, Optimus Prime was a car one time and got repainted into Nemesis before a truck did. But it is obtuse to use the first appearance over the Diaclone box-art/Legacy book/Legacy toyline appearances. As Jalaguy said above about not being obtuse to casual readers and representing the core of the character, rather than going with the technically correct answer. I think, while the Legacy book people weren't sitting there waiting for it to be put on the main-page of the wiki article. Absolutely the intent of Lift-Ticket, Burn-Out and every other Diaclone import into Transformers is funnily enough, the Diaclones they are importing. The Diaclone artists never intended that guy to be Optimus Prime but that does not change that the Transformers people did. [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 22:47, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
::1: Why are you responding to an argument from over a week ago. 2: It's absolutely not obtuse to use an image of the characters as in the media that actually introduced them to the world, which is the BotCon stuff-whether or not we're going with the Legacy image, it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. The Legacy writers weren't waiting for it to happen '''''because Lift-Ticket and Burn-Out did not exist as characters at the time that the book was produced.''''' This isn't a hard concept to wrap your head around. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:11, 8 September 2022 (EDT)

Also now that I think of it, aren't at least some of the the original Diaclone robots meant to be mass-produced? So Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket would only be one individual robot in a series of identical ones. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:02, 30 August 2022 (EDT)
:How does this affect anything at all? [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 22:47, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
::Again why are you responding to something from a week ago. What do you think this will accomplish? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:15, 8 September 2022 (EDT)

Does anyone else want to chip in on this? By my count the vote is currently 7:4 in favour of using the ''Legacy'' art, ''and'' there's the fact that the Legacy art was published first and thus ''arguably'' is the true "first body", which indicates to me that we're currently leaning towards a switch back to the ''Legacy'' mainpics. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:41, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
:Unless a former Fun Publications staffer can provide clean versions of the BotCon 2015 artworks, I also vote in favour of the ''Diaclone'' packaging art as reprinted in ''Legacy''. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:53, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
::ALso in favor of using the Legacy art as the mainpic for the reasons stated above. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 19:33, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
:It's absolutely not "arguably" the true first body. Pretending that the Diaclone art published in Legacy in any way represents two characters who hadn't been created yet just because they are technically based on the toys those artworks represent is an act of willful ignorance of the first body rule. This isn't us "bending" the rules, this is us breaking them, and it's insane to pretend otherwise. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:30, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
::Mm, no, see, it IS arguable, because we're arguing it. Burn Out and Lift-Ticket are identities assigned to the Diaclone mecha, and we have pictures of the Diaclone mecha that predate the BotCon toys that were based on them. From both an in-universe and out-of-universe perspective, these are the same character/concept, from my perspective. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 21:53, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
:::What's ''really'' "not arguable" is that [[Bug Bite (GoBots)]]'s first TF published body was the e-Hobby / FP white car. If we are going to say that we are sticking to the first body rule here because of the Legacy art - which doesn't depict the ''characters'' of LT/BO at all, but got the Hasbro stamp first - then the current pic of a yellow VW body that first got officialized a ''decade'' later has got to be switched. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:30, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
::::I'd agree with that - but then I don't agree with how we're currently covering the Scioli GoBots stuff anyway. (I don't think some cutesy references in the last issue are enough that we should be covering the whole thing.) But that's another issue entirely. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 07:43, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:I agree with changing the mainpic. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 21:42, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
::I'm against using the Diaclone art. I think Sipher's comment on the "first body rule" bears repeating in that it isn't about maintaining design lineage but documenting their first Transformers design regardless of what they look like now. I also don't think being in Legacy qualifies them as "Transformers art" because they weren't published with the intention of being a fictional depiction of any Transformers character. They were published to document the history of the art in a non-fictional capacity. Making the Diaclone art the main pics is making up canon. Riptide's point about Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket being identities assigned to the Diaclone mecha contradicts the idea that the Diaclone art is a representation of those mecha. They're only Diaclone mecha in the club fiction, and the Lift Ticket and Burn Out mecha of that Diaclone world do not actually look like the Diaclone art. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 23:39, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
:::Burn Out (said to be from the Diaclone, or Ancient Time Universe) recently appeared in a Sakamoto-penned comic promoting the TT release of the Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection. There, she is depicted as a mech piloted by Dia using a body inspired by the original Skids toy (using the Crosscut head, yes, but her upcoming MP toy is heavily inspired by her Diaclone packaging art), so the idea that they are only mechs in club fiction is blatantly false. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 11:10, 9 September 2022 (EDT)
:::: The current main pic seems to represent the character as they appear in Transformers more. It only appeared in two toys and a comic, and one toy and one comic match, white the newest toy is different. The Diaclone body represents the Transformers character less accurately than the current main pic, but only by a bit. I'd say keep the image the same. •[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:27, 9 September 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Bug Bite (GoBots)

2022-09-09T15:16:11Z

ChristalIsMe:

User talk:McBaggins

2022-09-09T07:41:00Z

ChristalIsMe:

Why did you undo my edits??? [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 23:31, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
*Because they were incorrect information. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:33, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
Prove me wrong and if I am, correct me. [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 10:14, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
:The image was just a desktop wallpaper for fans to download, it had nothing to do with the toy. The Mainframe note was also not correct, as the blueprint just mentions that the particular area in question is the "Teletraan-1 mainframe" (a computer in other words), it wasn't referring to "Mainframe" the character. I hope that clears that up some. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 10:32, 21 May 2021 (EDT)
Thank you. That was very polite of you. I haven't seen a polite tf fan[[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 10:58, 21 May 2021 (EDT)

Do you really consider the self-destruction translucent plastic issue that plagues Studio Series 86 Jazz to be "extraneous info", because I feel the Transformers community deserves to be aware of such production defects so as to be properly informed about what they could consider spending money on. Isn't the whole point of a wiki page to provide useful information, because where else would they turn to first fo such information? Design flaws are not "extraneous info". {{unsigned|Hyoumaru}}
:Actually, I'd argue Unit was in the right. While some of the edits were excessive, a *lot* of the things that were removed were just rambling, unnecessary cruft. At the very least, if it sticks around, it should be rewritten to be more condensed and readable. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 05:05, 2 September 2022 (EDT)

== Quick Question- ==

Why was my edit on "Transform-Ups" reverted? So I did was reword the article a bit to avoid implying that the deadly mode-drilling was a "Minor punishment from the Animated continuity family". If you could explain the problem, that'd be great, as I'm new and still learning how this wiki works.•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 08:19, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
:The edit was awkwardly placed into the intro blurb, and it needed to have been written as "in-universe", not talking in regards to out of universe continuity families. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 16:10, 8 September 2022 (EDT)
:: Ah, ok, thanks! I'll keep that in mind.[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 03:41, 9 September 2022 (EDT)

User talk:McBaggins

2022-09-08T12:19:59Z

ChristalIsMe: /* Quick Question- */ new section

Transform-up

2022-09-08T07:01:07Z

ChristalIsMe: Rewrote the intro a bit to be more all-encompassing. Previously, the page implied that IDW's Mode Drilling was a minor punishment from TFA.

:''Transform-ups are a punishment originally from the [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:TFA-AutobootCamp-TransformUp.gif|thumb|upright=1.5]]
A '''transform-up''' is a punishment for misbehaving [[Autobot boot camp]] cadets. It involves the [[Transformer]] being forced to lie in a {{w|prone position}} and rapidly [[Transformation|transform]] to and from their [[alternate mode]]. Generally enforced ''en masse'', it is similar in effect to {{w|push-up}}s in [[human]]s. While harmless in some continuities, like Animated, the 2005 IDW Continuity introduced a new form: '''Mode-drilling''', which can lead to serious harm and even death.

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]'s annoyance of [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Minor]] resulted in Sentinel forcing their class to undergo a LOT of transform-ups. [[Wasp|Some]] [[Ironhide (Animated)|bots]] weren't happy about this. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
Known as "mode-drilling" and considered a particularly harsh method of training, [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] suffered through it as a cadet. When he became an instructor, he made his own cadets mode-drill and under the toxic influence of [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], sometimes forced them to change forms so many times they ''died'' from the experience. [[Hubcap (G1)|Hubcap]] was one of the only survivors of Roadbuster's "training." {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 4|Sins of the Wreckers #4}}

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Talk:Buzzsaw (G1)

2022-09-07T18:55:41Z

ChristalIsMe:

Was Buzzsaw ever shown in cassette mode in the G1 cartoon? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I know he has a character model for a cassette mode, it's in Generations.

:Um... City of steel maybe? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

:I think he was shown ejecting in Atlatis, Arise! [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 19:43, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

Buzzsaw's color scheme and decals are not original to Transformers. Like [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s red color sceme, he was a special release, packaged with another figure. -- Cybertronian [[Special:Contributions/141.225.193.166|141.225.193.166]] 23:27, 14 November 2011 (EST).

Could someone explain me the origin of this "Buzzsaw is an unstoppable killing machine" meme? It can't be just because he blew away Omega Supreme, can it? [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] ([[User talk:Takeshi357|talk]]) 15:32, 12 March 2016 (EST)
:It's not a meme if it's true. It's from his Marvel appearances I would think, and his original bios. - [[User:Gimmick|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick|talk]]) 16:43, 13 March 2016 (EDT)

== About the last note point ==

Is that really necessary? It's merely an opinion. Not every one thinks the same thing. I actually know a lot of people who hate Buzzsaw. In conclusion, I believe we should remove that from the notes. The prosecution rests its case.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 11:34, 31 January 2019 (EST)
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 11:59, 31 January 2019 (EST)
::It's not that funny.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 15:25, 31 January 2019 (EST)
:::Not everyone thinks the same thing. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 20:08, 31 January 2019 (EST)
::::That's. My. Point.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 12:24, 1 February 2019 (EST)
:::::No joke is going to be funny to everyone. That's just how it goes sometimes. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 12:26, 1 February 2019 (EST)
::::: I'm going to be very, very blunt with you: what you think is funny is not something that concerns me or many others when almost all of your edits have been nonconstructive ones like these. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:02, 1 February 2019 (EST)
: It's because Walky didn't own Laserbeak when he was a kid and only had the bird that came with Soundwave. That's the reason.[[User:MBG|MBG]] ([[User talk:MBG|talk]]) 14:49, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
::Hmm. You've noticed this conversation ended years ago, right?•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 14:55, 7 September 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Best of the Rarities

2022-09-07T18:45:53Z

ChristalIsMe:

=="Never-before-seen one-page strips"==
Can we get more coverage on these, please? Are these fully-written, completed stories? Were they approved and licensed by Hasbro, then not published? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 12:01, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
: If also like clarification on that. •[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 12:11, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
::Yeah, fully-written, completed—the link at the bottom of the article has all five, you can read them for yourself! Each deserves its own wiki page in my opinion, just nobody's gotten around to it yet. There's no info in Roberts' endnotes on why they never materialised at the time, i.e. what if anything Hasbro thought about them, but even if they weren't approved at the time, I think this publication renders them non-apocryphal in the technical sense of the term. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:43, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
:::I agree that now that they've been approved and published, they are "real". The last one is actually kinda good, considering how short it is. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:03, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
:::: Those are pretty good, actually.•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 14:45, 7 September 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Fireblast (AB)

2022-09-07T18:42:30Z

ChristalIsMe:

== Disambiguation? (I'm gonna keep asking until I get an answer.) ==

Since there are four different things called "Fireblast", shouldn't there be a disambiguation? I'm new, and don't know how to do it myself, it if it's necessary, but it would be a lot easier than listing a billion things at the beginning of each page. •[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 12:00, 7 September 2022 (EDT)
: Finally! Thank you so much!•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 14:42, 7 September 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Best of the Rarities

2022-09-07T16:11:27Z

ChristalIsMe:

Talk:Fireblast (AB)

2022-09-07T16:00:57Z

ChristalIsMe: /* Disambiguation? (I'm gonna keep asking until I get an answer.) */ new section

Talk:Fireblast

2022-09-06T16:48:46Z

ChristalIsMe: I have a quick question-

Does anyone know how it's even possible to trademark "firepower"? It's not like it's a character name; this is accurate usage of a real word. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 15:37, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

== Animated Activator ==

I think we should reference the Animated Activators Grimlock redeco, Fireblast Grimlock, one way or another. Especially now there's also a Japanese-only redeco of Generations Voyager Grimlock using the same prefix coming up.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 09:38, 24 January 2014 (EST)

== Disambiguation ==

I asked over on [[Talk:Fire Blast effect]] to no avail, but should there be a disambiguation for Fire last? There are like, four things. If no one replies, ig I'll just do it myself, but I wanted to make sure before doing anything.•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 01:30, 5 September 2022 (EDT)
: Turns out I don't know how to do that, so I'm gonna need a reply- •[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 12:48, 6 September 2022 (EDT)

User:ChristalIsMe

2022-09-06T11:13:54Z

ChristalIsMe: Stupid Autocorrect.

Hello! My name is Christal, and I use she/her pronouns. That's all there is too know about me lol

Also, I've nothing better to do, so I'll write about fanmade SG Rescue Bots here.
==The Main Four==
===Heatwave===
His colour scheme is inspired by [[Optimus Prime (SG)|SG Optimus]].

Heatwave was once a member of team Prime, but he always wanted to get as far from there as possible. Now, as the leader of the "Rescue" Bots, his job is to terrorize what ever town his team gets assigned to. He gets along well with his partner, and also frequently hands over leadership duties to his second-in-command, Blades.
===Blades===
His colour scheme is inspired by [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]].

Blades' dream is to have full control of his team, but for now, he settles for Second. He believes that his leader, Heatwave, knows nothing of leadership, which is why he's glad he often gets command. During tides where he isn't in command, he can be found in The sky, as far up as his engine will take him.
===Chase===
His colour scheme is inspired by [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]].

Chase knows every law and rule by heart, he just doesn't care they exist. In fact, he often will admit to intentionally breaking rules, not to achieve a goal, but because he wanted to. Blades knows that he's dangerous, but Heatwave keys him around, believes him to be an asset. Chase knows, that I've day, he will be in control...

===Boulder===
His colour scheme is just normal, [[Constructicon (G1)|but with added purple]].

Boulder doesn't see any point of nature. Cybertron doesn't have any. Why should Earth? In fact, he seems to spend most of his time destroying the earth, attempting to turn it into a perfect replica of cold, dead, Cybertron. Unlike the other members of this team, he doesn't mean any harm, and wholeheartedly believes that he's helping. Heatwave dreads of the day Boulder sees the truth, because Boulder is perhaps one of the strongest 'bots on earth.

Talk:Cryotek (RID)

2022-09-06T11:06:23Z

ChristalIsMe: Whoops.

At some point, I need to rewrite this to adhere to the style guide. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes you do. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:52, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, you go fix Wideload the way he should be. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

===Cryotek's actual plan===

All right. What was it? Okay, so we know from 3H that it would ultimately end up with the resurrection of Unicron blah blah blah, but... aside from that. He wants to send the Dinobots, the Mutants, and the Wreckers on fools errands. But the real Vector Sigma breaks through the Oracle and gives the Wreckers a REAL mission -- protecting the Divine Light. But... apparently that was Cryotek's true purpose all along? How does that work? Tengu, where are you? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:Cryotek's purpose was to claim the divine light, lead the Quintessons to Cybertron (whose reformation int he last episode of BM they were unaware of- they lsot contact witht he planet whwn the Oracle went offline) and betray thrm, using the Divine Light's ability to act as a 'fuse' through which to transfer Primus's power either directly into himself, or somehow to Unicron.

:This fails for some reason,a nd the result ins INSTEAD that Primus himself comes online, as seen in TFU, instead of having to work through Vector Sigma. They got the fuse back the Quints pulled when they first invaded the nascent Cybertron, and so Primus can function again.

::That doesn't answer my question. If it was Cryotek's original purpose to claim the divine light, then why did Primus have to come online to *give the Wreckers different directions than otherwise intended*? The implication is that everyone was to be sent off-world into fools errands, but Vector Sigma broke through the Oracle to give the Wreckers their *real* mission, not the fake one. And yet, this was apparently Cryotek's plan from the beginnings, despite it all? It's a plot hole. Unless, I guess, Cryotek set up the whole "Primus broke through and gave us a real mission" thing, and it was his voice that was pretending to be Vector Sigma breaking through in the first place, putting on this charade for the benefit of the Wreckers. But that seems a little absurd. Why bother? Just give them their orders like the others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

: His plan was '''A BLOOH BLAH BALLLAHA BLOOOOOOOOOO!!!''' [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I still don't 'see' the conenction between Cryotek and Unicron, bt it's clearly there- Wreckers even list shim as a minion of Unicron, so who knows? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Why's he under RID? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 10:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

His toy was released as a RiD toy. However given that all his fiction is G1/BW/BM/TFU related it does seem odd. I just noticed it myself. It really isn't "the continuity he's most associated with" which I thought was the standard. I haven't looked do we have an entry for RiD Optimus Primal, or was his foray as a spirit guide for that Prime covered under BW? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

: Latter-day RiD segued into Universe (Fire Convoy preparing the Spychanger for a great comign threat, the foundign of the Interdimensional whosiswhatsis...)
: I think can, maybe, say that BM Primalw as sent to RiD Prime to inform him of these coming threats we're just told he's preparing for?
: (That's purely metatextual of course, like toy-continuity vs. show continuity, sicne I think RiD Prime started preparign after being kidnapped by Unicron during TFU #2 and subsequently beign returned home.)
: If anything, this would be someting Primal did during his post-death pre-reincarnate state. He doesnt' mention it, but it doesnt' rule it out. (And even if it didnt' 'happen' for the Comic, that's where this piece of toy-continuity is suppsoed to fit.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

: We had a big discussion in the "series tags" a couple days back, but people seem to keep ignoring it, so it ended up being largely me and Steve-o. "Toy-series of origin" is the way of tagging that simply makes the most SENSE and is EASIEST. You "common association" is far too open to interpretation. Of course, I'm still waiting to see if the UT and BW and J-G1 characters should be broken up into sub-series for consistancy's sake, which, despite me liking how we emphasise the use of (UT), I think we SHOULD. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

: That seems awfully toy-specific for a CHARACTER DRIVEN WIKI! If they wanted toys they would go to TFU.info. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 19:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:: Characters... WHO ARE BASED ON TOYS. Who are created TO SELL TOYS. Toys are the core of the damn franchise. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
::And it's not like the information here is strictly the stuff you can already find on tfu.info....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

===Spark drivers===
In response to "Who the fuck said that," the answer is "[[Hasbro|HASBRO]]." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

==Decepticon symbol==
There's a Decepticon symbol on Crytotek's left shoulder in Theft of the Golden Disk. Is he supposed to be a former Decepticon? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

== Toy first or character first? ==

If this is the wrong place to ask this, then I apologize. But I must at least ask. Did Cryotek originate as a redecoed figure of the TM2 Megatron first, or was he first conceived as a character in TF fiction?
From what I can gather, his toy came out in late 2001 as a Target exclusive in the RiD toyline, and his first fictional appearance was in The Wreckers issue 2: Betrayal at BotCon 2002.

''However'', I wholeheartedly remember having once read a FAQ question regarding when/if Cryotek would be getting a toy release at all and if it would be a BotCon exclusive or not. The answer given said that it would be a Target exclusive in the RiD toyline, which did come to pass. Though, the way the question was asked implied that the nature of his character was already made known ahead of his toy's release date, which has me wondering if his persona was conceived ''and'' made known prior to the release of his toy.

If I could ''find'' this old question it would greatly help me in trying to figure this out. I've been searching on the WayBack Machine's archives of BotCon.com and OTFCC.com, but have found nothing yet. Any assistance to figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:16, 11 March 2011 (EST)
: If you read the Notes section to this page, you would know exactly all about how we knew about him prior to his release date. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:00, 12 March 2011 (EST)

==RID vs G1==
Does there need to be a RID Cryotek specifically separate from G1? There does, right? And that would mean that this guy would need to move somewhere else, probably Cryotek (G1). Someone double check this before I start doing stuff, I often seem to be on the wrong side of these universe naming and moves. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:30, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
:I believe Cryotek was just one of a bunch of toys that were meant to be released earlier, but were pushed back into the RID toyline for reasons. The big Beast Machines Optimal Primal toy was released in this line too, but I'm pretty sure we're not going to pretend that he's a separate character either. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 20:34, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
::Right, I was only asking because [[Ask Vector Prime]] today had the Robots in Disguise [[Elite Guard]] encountering Cryotek. I'm fine with just putting that info here. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:36, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
:::Ah, nertz. I hadn't gotten around to check AVP today. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 20:41, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
::::I guess I'm just not getting something. There needs to be two ships named Longbow, one for Cybertron and one for RID, but we're ok with having just one Cryotek across G1 & RID? If there's a logic here I'm not seeing it. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 00:12, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::I thought you were referring to the fact that Cryotek was a RID toy as basis for splitting him off. With the info from AVP, I have no arguments against making a separate page for RID Cryotek. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 00:17, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::I'm all for splitting a page for RID Cryotek. However, I think we should wait to see if AVP clarifies anything on RID Cryotek. The post almost sounds to me like it's Primax 797.18 Epsilon Cryotek who has escaped the formless dimension into Viron 903.0 Beta. After all, it's big hero JG1 Optimus Primal/Convoy who's pursuing him. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:29, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::Sounds reasonable, considering that AVP doesn't seem like it'll be around for much longer. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 00:31, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::::Waiting to see if we learn more makes a ton of sense to me. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:05, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

::::::::In any case, even if there isn't a page split, can we consider making an exception to the disambiguate-by-franchise-rather-than-continuity-family rule? It works in most case, but I think here it only serves to confuse things; maybe moving if to Cryotek (BW) or Cryotek (G1) would be better? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 02:49, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::I don't think it's especially confusing, and I'd really rather not open up those floodgates. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 04:09, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::Well, I found it particularly confusing when I first found the wiki, and I'm not sure what floodgates it would open - as far as I know, the only comparable situation (i.e. characters from one continuity family being first released as part of another family's franchise) would be a few DOTM Mini-Cons, etc? I feel like it's similar to how Animated Timelines characters would, IIRC, be disambiguated to "Animated" rather than "Timelines" back when the wiki still used (Timelines). Sorry, I'm rambling - what I'm trying to say is that it ''did'' confuse me as a casual fan, and given the recent increased focus on being accessible to casual fans... --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 05:12, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::It's just a case of cracks starting to appear in our organization scheme. When we started this, at the end of the Unicron Trilogy era, characters across different universe were pretty distinct. There were very few "lore" characters, and we'd just lived through four years of repeated "nameslaps" where Ironhide could be a female Mini-Con and a punk rookie Autobot. Post-movie, as characters become more consistent across the spectrum of Transformers stories, and many names now hold ''meaning'', some of these delineations grow to feel quite pointless. Knock Out, for instance, really is exactly the same character across the Prime cartoon and IDW comics, he just calls a different planet home. I think it's quite clear that AVP has been poking that particular bear of late, with it's Micromaster/Mini-Con/Cyberdroid analogues, or that answer from just the other day about an Aurex Hi-Q and Arcana. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 06:11, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::oh hey remember when we came to a consensus to move this page OH WAIT --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 18:57, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Revert please. Also, I wouldn't say "cracks just appeared" since this was all done on purpose by human agency to write new facts directly for the wiki but whatever we've been over that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:39, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::apparently there have been too many intermediate edits and I CAN'T just revert it. Or maybe there's some trick I'm forgetting. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:01, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::Ok, consensus is RID and G1 Cryotek are close enough to live on the same page? Works for me. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 00:44, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Cryotek_%28G1%29 Discussion from Cryotek (G1)]

I'm sorry, I'm going to be a little anal about my understanding of this wiki. Under the current policy, I can't wrap my head around combining characters from RID and Beast Machines onto one page. The Cryotek from Vector Prime's story is a RID character. (The story gives no indication otherwise.) If that policy ever changes, that's fine. But this isolated incident of Cryoteks from two continuity families on one page is weird. I understand the ideas of cross-franchise characters being very similar and the desire to keep them together, but that requires a significant reorganization of the wiki en masse. This helter skelter fashion of changing the status quo is not a great idea. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] ([[User talk:Crockalley|talk]]) 00:55, 3 October 2015 (EDT)
:Yeah, I'm going to open this can of worms again. [http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/?p=3064808 As I pointed out on the Allspark], there's not really any good reason to have this page merged that wouldn't require a major reexamination of the wiki's rules, other than "this is stupid and I don't want to acknowledge it". I'd also like to point out that as of the Optimus Primal answer Viron Cryotek doesn't have that much in common with Primax Cryotek (criminal mastermind vs genocidal scientist), and that the previous consensus seemed to be less "this shouldn't have been split/moved" and more "this shouldn't have been split/moved without discussion". So... can we discuss this some more? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:42, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::I suppose I could support this idea. But I point out that Primax Cryotek was also a scientist just like Viron Cryotek. And for all intents and purposes they share their only toys, do they not? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:22, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::True, I suppose; I more meant that Viron Cryotek doesn't have the criminal/gangster element central to most portrayals of Cryotek. I guess the idea behind writing Viron Cryotek and RID Jhiaxus into Ask Vector Prime was to, essentially, retroactively make those toys' use as G1 characters into "repurposings"? Not to deliberately fuck with the wiki's classification system, as some have suggested. So yeah, they share toys. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:00, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::::Well yeah, I think the main intent was to give portrayals that matched the toys' actual packaging. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:40, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

I've been sandboxing something that this might be a good test case for. A formal write-up of the idea of a character that exists in multiple continuity-families at the same time. [[User:Giggidy/Sandbox/Multi-Family Character]]. Perhaps Cryotek would be a good test case to start rolling it out? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 17:40, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:I just honestly think that based on what information on Viron Cryotek we have, he's not all that similar to Primax Cryotek... well, okay, he's about as similar as cartoon and comic Shockwave, but they're kind of extremes anyway. I don't think this is the best point for an "exception" to be made. I guess I could tolerate it, but I think a better starting point would be [[Knock Out (G1)]] and [[Knock Out (Prime)]], who a) have major appearances in both clusters, and b) are much closer to being the same character archetype. Others seem to disagree, but I feel that the Cryoteks don't share much more than the name and the toy. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:45, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
Is there any more momentum to split this page? If not, I'm removing the move tag within the next 48 hours. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 11:57, 21 December 2015 (EST)

I'll lay out the facts as I see them:
* Viron Cryotek is differently-characterised to Primax Cryotek and exists in a different continuity family; he looks the same, but see [[Bulkhead (G1)]]. In most cases, this would be enough for each character to get their own page.
* Nobody objected to [[Jhiaxus (RID)]] being given a page, which suggests that the objection is less about the characters being the same and more about the fact that the page, if split, would have to be renamed.
* There ''hasn't actually been any reason given'' to have the pages merged and the rules bent, other than "this is stupid, and it's an attack on our classification system.
* Which, as I said, I don't think it is - it's making the RID Cryotek toy into an RID character. Much like, say, DOTM Bulkhead or Prime Evac, who are Prime Bulkhead and Ride Evac made into "their own characters" because they were in the DOTM and Prime lines.
* If split, then, the pages would either go under "Cryotek (RID)" and "Cryotek (AVP)" (treating the AVP guy as a new character), or "Cryotek (Universe)" and "Cryotek (RID)" (treating the AVP guy as the "real" identity of the toy and the Primax character as a "repurpose"). I'd vote for the latter, because the former seems ''really'' confusing.
If anyone could actually give a ''reason'' to not split, I'd probably be open to the idea, but as-is it seems like it's only merged because people don't want the existing page to be moved. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:08, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:I'm of the opinion that most RID dudes should just be folded into their G1 counterparts (or vice versa, whatever), because the distinction between Viron and Primax is pointless, but as long as we're keeping stuff like Jhiaxus (RID) or Sky-Byte (G2), this should be split into Cryotek (RID) with Cryotek (BM) as the repurpose. Which is what would've happened had the comics came about during the wiki's life instead of prior. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:36, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:If we are being objective, RipTide is right, as the rules stand now, this needs a split, if we want to debate the nature of the rules and how they are affected by the Families that is something we will have to bring up later (I think the central thesis is whether we split based on fiction [i.e. This is a guy from Animated vs a guy from Prime] or based on character [i.e. this guy is a doctor , this guy is a girl and a minicon]) I ''personally'' was under the assumption of the former(partially because it would lead to frankly arbitrary declarations of how close to each other portrayals are, and arbitray declarations are something a bastion of information like us should not do [this is also why I was against Battlemasters characters being ''best fit'' into families] but it seems to me that those splits until recently lined up and now it's becoming less murky as charcaters are becoming closer and closer, there have been talks on why IDW and Prime Knockout are separate, and Hi-Q being on page, which frankly I found absurd, but that's only because of the aforementioned assumption that we split based on fiction, not on how "similar" characters are to each other.

TLDR: Until we settle the issue of whether we merge characters based on being similar or being in the same family; something that tended to be one in the same until now, we have to go by the current rules, and as I understand them we have a G1 Cryotek under Crytek(RID) and an RID Cryotek under (AVP).

Otherwise we continue a habit of cherry picking and dancing around our policies when it suits us, instead of actually dressing our polices.

And what good is a system if we can just go...nah I dont like this, when it doesn't fit what we want? Under our rules IDW is G1,(originally because it was "Under the g1 franchise" as the Continuity Family page says and then later when it was named Primax almost certainly because of this wiki saying it was g1) I of course feel that is total bullshit, but that is what it is, and me and others who feel that way cant just make it not G1 by saying it's silly and stupid on the talk page. In any case this is going to keep happening and this pothole method isn't holding up.

Perhaps a Community Vote(even though I am pretty sure it's just an open and shut case where we personally feel the policy [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 22:51, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:If a split were to happen, I can certainly say for sure that if any Primax Cryotek page were to be created separately from Viron Cryotek, said Primax page would definitely have a "(Universe)" disambiguation tag since the guy debuted in Universe fiction. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:17, 22 December 2015 (EST)

== Splitting vote ==

Seems like now's as good a time as any to put it to the question. Obviously, I vote to split. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:24, 23 December 2015 (EST)
:I agree. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:31, 23 December 2015 (EST)

*Split. Man I am WAY tooo excited for my first wiki vote. [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 19:02, 24 December 2015 (EST)

*I vote no split. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:37, 23 December 2015 (EST)

*Split. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 18:44, 23 December 2015 (EST)

*Split, please. --[[User:Crossblades|Crossblades]] ([[User talk:Crossblades|talk]]) 19:13, 23 December 2015 (EST)

*Split if we're not gonna merge the other RID characters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:50, 24 December 2015 (EST)

* No split. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 16:58, 24 December 2015 (EST)

* Split. --[[User:Razorsaw|Razorsaw]]

*Split would seem to align with our typical systems of categorization. [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 20:28, 24 December 2015 (EST)

*Split, grudgingly. [[User:Chip|Chip]] ([[User talk:Chip|talk]]) 21:22, 24 December 2015 (EST)

*Split. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 23:06, 24 December 2015 (EST)

== Unsplit discussion moved from Cryotek (G1) ==

I can think of literally no reason this article, if it even needs to exist, would have (G1) as a disambig. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:47, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
:Really? He's a G1 characters. What else would we use? BW? Timelines? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:56, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
::His franchise of origin is RID, since that's what his toy is. And normally, that'd be how we categorize his page. He'd just be a Primax guy with a toy from RID, just like Air Attack Optimus Primal. He didn't have RID fiction until 2015, which now complicates things. But if Cryotek has to have a separate Primax article, I'm pretty sure he'd have to be (Universe), since that's the franchise the character appeared in first if you ignore his toy. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:12, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
:::There was no reason for this split and it should be reverted. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:35, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
::::If he has RID fiction now, that is an incredible reason for a split, no? One guy is RID and one guy is from the Beast Machines era of G1. It seems pretty simple to me. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] ([[User talk:Crockalley|talk]]) 22:22, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::I wish it were that simple. The continuity family system was implemented by fans, including the wiki, because same-name characters from different continuity families generally had distinct personalities and toys, hence necessitating separate articles. But both Primax and Viron Cryoteks have the same basic personality and share the same toy. They're as similar as WfC Optimus Prime and Prime cartoon Optimus Prime, distinguished only by the labeling of their home realities. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:32, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
Revert. This is fucking stupid, and the reasons we're having these discussions is fucking stupid. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:37, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
:If this wiki had existed back when Cryotek was revealed and we split the pages, this'd be at (BM). That's what the Wreckers comics were based on and Universe wasn't a thing then. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:13, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
::Since the consensus seems to be keeping both versions of the character on one page, this is a pretty silly discussion. I was asking because I genuinely wanted to understand where the guy should go, for my own understanding of the wiki culture here. But why argue about a page that people feel shouldn't exist? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 01:38, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
:::I don't really care either way; just inputting on the disambig should the split be retained. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:54, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
::::I'm in favour of a split, but I might be biased. I'd vote for a Universe disambig for this page. If not, do we merge Jhiaxus (RID) into Jhiaxus (G2)? -[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 03:02, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::I would also vote to reunite Jhiaxus, yes. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 06:56, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::Another one that probably should be merged in is [[Megazarak (Armada)]] into [[Megazarak (Universe]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 06:58, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Okay, now, hold on a second here, guys. This is not me advocating a separate article or anything, but there's not "no reason" for splitting, nor is the notion of the article existing "fucking stupid". Creating a separate article for a Viron Cryotek would absolutely be standard procedure, based on the way we have done things for the entirety of the Wiki's existence. This is just, as I said over on the other Cryotek talk page, one of several cases of the cracks in our classification system becoming bigger and bigger, as fundamentally identical characters being to appear more and more across different continuity families. I know I have thought, in the past, "why are we bothering to create an article for this character just because they exist in a different family?" - silly example, but [[Hector Ramirez|Hector Ramirez (Animated)]] sprang to mind - and certainly the recent topic of splitting by species I raised was an example of something similar - and that question is becoming harder to ignore. I think it was LV! who said over on the AllSpark that acknowledging instances like this means our classification system is fundamentally ''changing'' to some extent, and we should probably discuss that a ''bit'' more than just hand-wavingly deciding this specific instance is dumb. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 07:18, 2 October 2015 (EDT
:My position remains that these are not "cracks getting bigger and new characters appearing" - this is a system that worked just fine for a decade being deliberately screwed with. If people weren't trying to insta-canonize their own wishes by manipulating our system, nothing of the sort would have "appeared." I say we don't have to play along. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:35, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
:Just to clarify my use of the phrase "no reason" referred only to the (G1) disambig, because that is clearly wrong for a Beast Era character. I can see the argument both ways for keeping the articles separate, and the more I think about I'm slightly incline to favor the split. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 07:43, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

:But this isn't just AVP. What is the distinction between Prime Knock Out and the Knock Out who has just appeared in IDW, or Gigatron showing up in Drift, besides their simply existing in separate continuity families? Why did we create [[Bulkhead (DOTM)]] when it's clearly just a toy of Prime Bulkhead, if Cryotek having a toy in RID didn't distinguish him from the BM comic-era character? The WFC/FOC characters have reached a stage where they essentially simultaneously represent G1 and Aligned versions of the characters. When a room full of Armada/Energon cameos appears in an IDW story, we literally have to publically dismiss them as meaningless easter eggs or someone will create new pages for each and every one of them because the wiki's system claims "new family, new character, new article". There is more to discuss here than being teed off at AVP. "Continuity familes" were a method of distinction we ''made up'', and if we can at least agree that "Brisko" the Nebulan from the Marvel comics and "Brisko" the Cybertronian from IDW comics belong on the same article because they were both based on the same root toy/character, then we can have similar discussions about other characters that span broader distinctions of universal classification. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 07:46, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
::Ok, this is brilliant and sums up in one sentence much of what has been bothering me recently. "''"Continuity familes" were a method of distinction we ''made up'', and if we can at least agree that "Brisko" the Nebulan from the Marvel comics and "Brisko" the Cybertronian from IDW comics belong on the same article because they were both based on the same root toy/character, then we can have similar discussions about other characters that span broader distinctions of universal classification.''" The idea that these guys are all stemming from the same root and therefore could be all on the same page feels very ''right'' to me. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:35, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
:::If this all has something to do with our policy, maybe the best course of action would be for people to suggest revised versions of the policy itself. Once we've got something new worked out, we can start implementing it to the whole website. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 11:04, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
::::I suppose the fundamental problem here is what separates [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)]] but not those more minor characters if we adopt a more flexible system. Article length? Design? Where is the line determined? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:25, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

== Go-Box ==

The Go-Box still goes to this page even though the picture is of [[Cryotek (Universe)]]. I don't know how to fix that. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 14:55, 4 March 2016 (EST)
:[[Template:Goicons]], for future reference. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:12, 4 March 2016 (EST)
::Thanks! --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 04:39, 5 March 2016 (EST)

== Split/Merge? ==

Why did we even bother with splitting this article if you guys are merging together every other RID character who has a G1 counterpart, such as Side Burn, Gigatron/Megatron, and Tow-Line? [[User:Freakertron|Freakertron]] ([[User talk:Freakertron|talk]]) 23:37, 29 December 2016 (EST)

Given subsequent developments on the wiki, I think I will merge "Cryotek (RID)" and "Cryotek (Universe)" back together. Any objections? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:09, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

None here. What about Jhiaxus? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:14, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
:Hmm, I'm not really sure. I think that I'm in favor of leaving those separate. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:36, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

:As someone who thought merging the RID and G1 articles was a bad idea, I also think that merging this with Cryotek (Universe) is a bad idea. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:55, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

::FWIW, the [http://botcon.com/archive/story/characters/cryotek.html BotCon.com profile for the Cryotek of the Wreckers comics] was based on an unreleased bio and tech specs Hasbro had written for the RID Cryotek toy, so the original RID toy was always meant to represent the character that the BotCon profile ended up representing.
::I guess at the end of it all, what we should be asking ourselves is what makes this Cryotek distinct enough from his Wreckers comics counterpart to keep the two separate, in contrast to the distinctions between the Viron and English Primax versions of Sky-Byte, Side Burn, Megatron/Gigatron, and others of the like whose Viron and English Primax versions each share an article? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:48, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Or what makes [[Hot Shot (Armada)]] distinct from [[Hot Shot (Henkei!)]]? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:00, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
As always, the important questions...
:(1) Is it causing any problems where it currently is?
:(2) Will it be measurably better, in any way, if we moved it?
--[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:19, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

New information not yet mentioned here: According to [http://tfarchive.com/toys/checklists/robots_in_disguise_car_robots.php#ridexc TFArchive's RiD/Car Robots toy checklist], Cryotek's toy was first released in January 2002. Our own RiD/Car Robots toyline page states this as well. Moreover, in addition to the aforementioned BotCon Online profile for Cryotek having been based on an unreleased bio that Hasbro planned to use for the RiD Cryotek toy, said bio was first published on [http://web.archive.org/web/20011118080039/http://www.botcon.com/characters/cryotek.html BotCon Online] when its [http://web.archive.org/web/20011202223401/http://botcon.com/ November 13, 2001 revamp] first went live on that date. This means that Cryotek's characterization as an engineer-turned-criminal who was also BW Megatron's mentor predated the RiD toy's release by about two months, and even predated his first in-story appearance in The Wreckers #2 by eight months.

Plus, according to [http://tfarchive.com/toys/reviews/rid_cryotek.php this old toy review of Cryotek also from TFArchive], the toy was originally supposed to be released in the Beast Machines line much like Air Attack Optimus Primal and Megatron Megabolt. While the former received a Hasbro.com bio pegging him as the same Optimus Primal from BW and BM, and the latter received a bio that rewrote him as a version of RID Megatron, the Cryotek toy never got any bio beyond the BotCon one that, as mentioned, was originally meant to be for the RID toy.

And, well, we're now at a point where we have all G1 versions of RID characters on the same pages, so that policy kinda demands that we put the RID and BotCon Cryotek pages back together. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 15:51, 15 January 2021 (EST)
:No, we're at a point where we have all G1 versions of ''CR'' characters on the same pages. Jhiaxus, Obsidian, et al. are still separate. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:43, 15 January 2021 (EST)
::In this case, though, the character preceded the toy, and the character was a Beast Era one. The bio-less toy's packaging was the only thing tying it to the RID franchise for 13 years until AVP invented a RID version whose existence was still tied to a setting that was pretty much just another version of Beast Machines, and in which he even still ended up mentoring a version of BW Megatron. That's far less distinct that the Wings and IDW versions of Sky-Byte, Side Burn, etc. from their original RID versions. As for the Jhiaxus and Obsidian comparisons, G2 Jhiaxus using the RID toy in Wings was always a repurposing since the RID toy bore zero resemblance to its G2 namesake, while RID Obsidian was a unique deco completely unrelated to its BM namesake. The only reason the original Cryotek page was split in the first place was because Sky-Byte, Side Burn, Gigatron, Slapper, and Dark Scream had Wings/IDW versions that were given their own pages before it was decided to merge all of them with their nigh-identical original RID selves. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:47, 16 January 2021 (EST)

===Merge back===
It's been mentioned a number of times that his RID and Universe pages ought to be merged back together. They were only split because, at the time, we were keeping RID'01 characters and their G1 transplants separate, and a definite RID version of the character didn't come about until a single Ask Vector Prime post.

Afterward, all of the RID'01 characters had their G1 analogues merged into them. Even Hasbro-originals with no Car Robots counterparts have their G1 transplants on their RID pages, like [[Wind Sheer (RID)]], [[Skyfire (RID)]], [[Bruticus (RID)]], and [[Megabolt]]. Yet, Cryotek was not merged back despite AVP describing his RID self as an alternate version of his Wreckers self, even playing a role in a setting very much based on that of Beast Machines. His Wreckers self even directly quoted his RID toy motto at the end of The Wreckers #2, as a deliberate nod by the author to say that "Yes, this is the character of that RID toy despite the difference in continuity family."

So I propose we do the following: Merge the two Cryotek pages back together, under the name of "Cryotek (RID)". While the Beast Machines-based BotCon Online character bio was his first piece of fiction released in November 2001 two months before the toy saw release in January 2002 (and was originally written by Hasbro to be used for the RID toy), the toy's official reveal in RID packaging at BotCon 2001 preceded the online bio by four month in July 2001. And by the time he first appeared in The Wreckers #2, everyone at the time who already knew about him knew that he was a RID toy, so the "(RID)" tag makes the most sense in terms of what came first for Cryotek.

His intro might need some rewriting to make it less 3H/Fun Pub-specific, but otherwise, we can explain in the Notes section why he's under "(RID)" when most of his fiction is Beast Wars/Machines-related. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:20, 19 May 2022 (EDT)
:I am for this merge. I don't have anything more to add, I think all of these points are valid. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 23:40, 19 May 2022 (EDT)
::Bumping this, because I just noticed it. Feels like these pages should absolutely be merged under current policy. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:46, 6 September 2022 (EDT)
:::Agreed.•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 07:05, 6 September 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Cryotek (RID)

2022-09-06T11:05:51Z

ChristalIsMe:

At some point, I need to rewrite this to adhere to the style guide. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes you do. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:52, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, you go fix Wideload the way he should be. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

===Cryotek's actual plan===

All right. What was it? Okay, so we know from 3H that it would ultimately end up with the resurrection of Unicron blah blah blah, but... aside from that. He wants to send the Dinobots, the Mutants, and the Wreckers on fools errands. But the real Vector Sigma breaks through the Oracle and gives the Wreckers a REAL mission -- protecting the Divine Light. But... apparently that was Cryotek's true purpose all along? How does that work? Tengu, where are you? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:Cryotek's purpose was to claim the divine light, lead the Quintessons to Cybertron (whose reformation int he last episode of BM they were unaware of- they lsot contact witht he planet whwn the Oracle went offline) and betray thrm, using the Divine Light's ability to act as a 'fuse' through which to transfer Primus's power either directly into himself, or somehow to Unicron.

:This fails for some reason,a nd the result ins INSTEAD that Primus himself comes online, as seen in TFU, instead of having to work through Vector Sigma. They got the fuse back the Quints pulled when they first invaded the nascent Cybertron, and so Primus can function again.

::That doesn't answer my question. If it was Cryotek's original purpose to claim the divine light, then why did Primus have to come online to *give the Wreckers different directions than otherwise intended*? The implication is that everyone was to be sent off-world into fools errands, but Vector Sigma broke through the Oracle to give the Wreckers their *real* mission, not the fake one. And yet, this was apparently Cryotek's plan from the beginnings, despite it all? It's a plot hole. Unless, I guess, Cryotek set up the whole "Primus broke through and gave us a real mission" thing, and it was his voice that was pretending to be Vector Sigma breaking through in the first place, putting on this charade for the benefit of the Wreckers. But that seems a little absurd. Why bother? Just give them their orders like the others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

: His plan was '''A BLOOH BLAH BALLLAHA BLOOOOOOOOOO!!!''' [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I still don't 'see' the conenction between Cryotek and Unicron, bt it's clearly there- Wreckers even list shim as a minion of Unicron, so who knows? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Why's he under RID? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 10:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

His toy was released as a RiD toy. However given that all his fiction is G1/BW/BM/TFU related it does seem odd. I just noticed it myself. It really isn't "the continuity he's most associated with" which I thought was the standard. I haven't looked do we have an entry for RiD Optimus Primal, or was his foray as a spirit guide for that Prime covered under BW? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

: Latter-day RiD segued into Universe (Fire Convoy preparing the Spychanger for a great comign threat, the foundign of the Interdimensional whosiswhatsis...)
: I think can, maybe, say that BM Primalw as sent to RiD Prime to inform him of these coming threats we're just told he's preparing for?
: (That's purely metatextual of course, like toy-continuity vs. show continuity, sicne I think RiD Prime started preparign after being kidnapped by Unicron during TFU #2 and subsequently beign returned home.)
: If anything, this would be someting Primal did during his post-death pre-reincarnate state. He doesnt' mention it, but it doesnt' rule it out. (And even if it didnt' 'happen' for the Comic, that's where this piece of toy-continuity is suppsoed to fit.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

: We had a big discussion in the "series tags" a couple days back, but people seem to keep ignoring it, so it ended up being largely me and Steve-o. "Toy-series of origin" is the way of tagging that simply makes the most SENSE and is EASIEST. You "common association" is far too open to interpretation. Of course, I'm still waiting to see if the UT and BW and J-G1 characters should be broken up into sub-series for consistancy's sake, which, despite me liking how we emphasise the use of (UT), I think we SHOULD. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

: That seems awfully toy-specific for a CHARACTER DRIVEN WIKI! If they wanted toys they would go to TFU.info. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 19:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:: Characters... WHO ARE BASED ON TOYS. Who are created TO SELL TOYS. Toys are the core of the damn franchise. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
::And it's not like the information here is strictly the stuff you can already find on tfu.info....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

===Spark drivers===
In response to "Who the fuck said that," the answer is "[[Hasbro|HASBRO]]." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

==Decepticon symbol==
There's a Decepticon symbol on Crytotek's left shoulder in Theft of the Golden Disk. Is he supposed to be a former Decepticon? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

== Toy first or character first? ==

If this is the wrong place to ask this, then I apologize. But I must at least ask. Did Cryotek originate as a redecoed figure of the TM2 Megatron first, or was he first conceived as a character in TF fiction?
From what I can gather, his toy came out in late 2001 as a Target exclusive in the RiD toyline, and his first fictional appearance was in The Wreckers issue 2: Betrayal at BotCon 2002.

''However'', I wholeheartedly remember having once read a FAQ question regarding when/if Cryotek would be getting a toy release at all and if it would be a BotCon exclusive or not. The answer given said that it would be a Target exclusive in the RiD toyline, which did come to pass. Though, the way the question was asked implied that the nature of his character was already made known ahead of his toy's release date, which has me wondering if his persona was conceived ''and'' made known prior to the release of his toy.

If I could ''find'' this old question it would greatly help me in trying to figure this out. I've been searching on the WayBack Machine's archives of BotCon.com and OTFCC.com, but have found nothing yet. Any assistance to figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:16, 11 March 2011 (EST)
: If you read the Notes section to this page, you would know exactly all about how we knew about him prior to his release date. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:00, 12 March 2011 (EST)

==RID vs G1==
Does there need to be a RID Cryotek specifically separate from G1? There does, right? And that would mean that this guy would need to move somewhere else, probably Cryotek (G1). Someone double check this before I start doing stuff, I often seem to be on the wrong side of these universe naming and moves. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:30, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
:I believe Cryotek was just one of a bunch of toys that were meant to be released earlier, but were pushed back into the RID toyline for reasons. The big Beast Machines Optimal Primal toy was released in this line too, but I'm pretty sure we're not going to pretend that he's a separate character either. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 20:34, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
::Right, I was only asking because [[Ask Vector Prime]] today had the Robots in Disguise [[Elite Guard]] encountering Cryotek. I'm fine with just putting that info here. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:36, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
:::Ah, nertz. I hadn't gotten around to check AVP today. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 20:41, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
::::I guess I'm just not getting something. There needs to be two ships named Longbow, one for Cybertron and one for RID, but we're ok with having just one Cryotek across G1 & RID? If there's a logic here I'm not seeing it. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 00:12, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::I thought you were referring to the fact that Cryotek was a RID toy as basis for splitting him off. With the info from AVP, I have no arguments against making a separate page for RID Cryotek. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 00:17, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::I'm all for splitting a page for RID Cryotek. However, I think we should wait to see if AVP clarifies anything on RID Cryotek. The post almost sounds to me like it's Primax 797.18 Epsilon Cryotek who has escaped the formless dimension into Viron 903.0 Beta. After all, it's big hero JG1 Optimus Primal/Convoy who's pursuing him. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:29, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::Sounds reasonable, considering that AVP doesn't seem like it'll be around for much longer. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 00:31, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::::Waiting to see if we learn more makes a ton of sense to me. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:05, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

::::::::In any case, even if there isn't a page split, can we consider making an exception to the disambiguate-by-franchise-rather-than-continuity-family rule? It works in most case, but I think here it only serves to confuse things; maybe moving if to Cryotek (BW) or Cryotek (G1) would be better? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 02:49, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::I don't think it's especially confusing, and I'd really rather not open up those floodgates. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 04:09, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::Well, I found it particularly confusing when I first found the wiki, and I'm not sure what floodgates it would open - as far as I know, the only comparable situation (i.e. characters from one continuity family being first released as part of another family's franchise) would be a few DOTM Mini-Cons, etc? I feel like it's similar to how Animated Timelines characters would, IIRC, be disambiguated to "Animated" rather than "Timelines" back when the wiki still used (Timelines). Sorry, I'm rambling - what I'm trying to say is that it ''did'' confuse me as a casual fan, and given the recent increased focus on being accessible to casual fans... --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 05:12, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::It's just a case of cracks starting to appear in our organization scheme. When we started this, at the end of the Unicron Trilogy era, characters across different universe were pretty distinct. There were very few "lore" characters, and we'd just lived through four years of repeated "nameslaps" where Ironhide could be a female Mini-Con and a punk rookie Autobot. Post-movie, as characters become more consistent across the spectrum of Transformers stories, and many names now hold ''meaning'', some of these delineations grow to feel quite pointless. Knock Out, for instance, really is exactly the same character across the Prime cartoon and IDW comics, he just calls a different planet home. I think it's quite clear that AVP has been poking that particular bear of late, with it's Micromaster/Mini-Con/Cyberdroid analogues, or that answer from just the other day about an Aurex Hi-Q and Arcana. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 06:11, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::oh hey remember when we came to a consensus to move this page OH WAIT --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 18:57, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Revert please. Also, I wouldn't say "cracks just appeared" since this was all done on purpose by human agency to write new facts directly for the wiki but whatever we've been over that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:39, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::apparently there have been too many intermediate edits and I CAN'T just revert it. Or maybe there's some trick I'm forgetting. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:01, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::Ok, consensus is RID and G1 Cryotek are close enough to live on the same page? Works for me. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 00:44, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Cryotek_%28G1%29 Discussion from Cryotek (G1)]

I'm sorry, I'm going to be a little anal about my understanding of this wiki. Under the current policy, I can't wrap my head around combining characters from RID and Beast Machines onto one page. The Cryotek from Vector Prime's story is a RID character. (The story gives no indication otherwise.) If that policy ever changes, that's fine. But this isolated incident of Cryoteks from two continuity families on one page is weird. I understand the ideas of cross-franchise characters being very similar and the desire to keep them together, but that requires a significant reorganization of the wiki en masse. This helter skelter fashion of changing the status quo is not a great idea. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] ([[User talk:Crockalley|talk]]) 00:55, 3 October 2015 (EDT)
:Yeah, I'm going to open this can of worms again. [http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/?p=3064808 As I pointed out on the Allspark], there's not really any good reason to have this page merged that wouldn't require a major reexamination of the wiki's rules, other than "this is stupid and I don't want to acknowledge it". I'd also like to point out that as of the Optimus Primal answer Viron Cryotek doesn't have that much in common with Primax Cryotek (criminal mastermind vs genocidal scientist), and that the previous consensus seemed to be less "this shouldn't have been split/moved" and more "this shouldn't have been split/moved without discussion". So... can we discuss this some more? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:42, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::I suppose I could support this idea. But I point out that Primax Cryotek was also a scientist just like Viron Cryotek. And for all intents and purposes they share their only toys, do they not? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:22, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::True, I suppose; I more meant that Viron Cryotek doesn't have the criminal/gangster element central to most portrayals of Cryotek. I guess the idea behind writing Viron Cryotek and RID Jhiaxus into Ask Vector Prime was to, essentially, retroactively make those toys' use as G1 characters into "repurposings"? Not to deliberately fuck with the wiki's classification system, as some have suggested. So yeah, they share toys. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:00, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::::Well yeah, I think the main intent was to give portrayals that matched the toys' actual packaging. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:40, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

I've been sandboxing something that this might be a good test case for. A formal write-up of the idea of a character that exists in multiple continuity-families at the same time. [[User:Giggidy/Sandbox/Multi-Family Character]]. Perhaps Cryotek would be a good test case to start rolling it out? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 17:40, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:I just honestly think that based on what information on Viron Cryotek we have, he's not all that similar to Primax Cryotek... well, okay, he's about as similar as cartoon and comic Shockwave, but they're kind of extremes anyway. I don't think this is the best point for an "exception" to be made. I guess I could tolerate it, but I think a better starting point would be [[Knock Out (G1)]] and [[Knock Out (Prime)]], who a) have major appearances in both clusters, and b) are much closer to being the same character archetype. Others seem to disagree, but I feel that the Cryoteks don't share much more than the name and the toy. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:45, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
Is there any more momentum to split this page? If not, I'm removing the move tag within the next 48 hours. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 11:57, 21 December 2015 (EST)

I'll lay out the facts as I see them:
* Viron Cryotek is differently-characterised to Primax Cryotek and exists in a different continuity family; he looks the same, but see [[Bulkhead (G1)]]. In most cases, this would be enough for each character to get their own page.
* Nobody objected to [[Jhiaxus (RID)]] being given a page, which suggests that the objection is less about the characters being the same and more about the fact that the page, if split, would have to be renamed.
* There ''hasn't actually been any reason given'' to have the pages merged and the rules bent, other than "this is stupid, and it's an attack on our classification system.
* Which, as I said, I don't think it is - it's making the RID Cryotek toy into an RID character. Much like, say, DOTM Bulkhead or Prime Evac, who are Prime Bulkhead and Ride Evac made into "their own characters" because they were in the DOTM and Prime lines.
* If split, then, the pages would either go under "Cryotek (RID)" and "Cryotek (AVP)" (treating the AVP guy as a new character), or "Cryotek (Universe)" and "Cryotek (RID)" (treating the AVP guy as the "real" identity of the toy and the Primax character as a "repurpose"). I'd vote for the latter, because the former seems ''really'' confusing.
If anyone could actually give a ''reason'' to not split, I'd probably be open to the idea, but as-is it seems like it's only merged because people don't want the existing page to be moved. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:08, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:I'm of the opinion that most RID dudes should just be folded into their G1 counterparts (or vice versa, whatever), because the distinction between Viron and Primax is pointless, but as long as we're keeping stuff like Jhiaxus (RID) or Sky-Byte (G2), this should be split into Cryotek (RID) with Cryotek (BM) as the repurpose. Which is what would've happened had the comics came about during the wiki's life instead of prior. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:36, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:If we are being objective, RipTide is right, as the rules stand now, this needs a split, if we want to debate the nature of the rules and how they are affected by the Families that is something we will have to bring up later (I think the central thesis is whether we split based on fiction [i.e. This is a guy from Animated vs a guy from Prime] or based on character [i.e. this guy is a doctor , this guy is a girl and a minicon]) I ''personally'' was under the assumption of the former(partially because it would lead to frankly arbitrary declarations of how close to each other portrayals are, and arbitray declarations are something a bastion of information like us should not do [this is also why I was against Battlemasters characters being ''best fit'' into families] but it seems to me that those splits until recently lined up and now it's becoming less murky as charcaters are becoming closer and closer, there have been talks on why IDW and Prime Knockout are separate, and Hi-Q being on page, which frankly I found absurd, but that's only because of the aforementioned assumption that we split based on fiction, not on how "similar" characters are to each other.

TLDR: Until we settle the issue of whether we merge characters based on being similar or being in the same family; something that tended to be one in the same until now, we have to go by the current rules, and as I understand them we have a G1 Cryotek under Crytek(RID) and an RID Cryotek under (AVP).

Otherwise we continue a habit of cherry picking and dancing around our policies when it suits us, instead of actually dressing our polices.

And what good is a system if we can just go...nah I dont like this, when it doesn't fit what we want? Under our rules IDW is G1,(originally because it was "Under the g1 franchise" as the Continuity Family page says and then later when it was named Primax almost certainly because of this wiki saying it was g1) I of course feel that is total bullshit, but that is what it is, and me and others who feel that way cant just make it not G1 by saying it's silly and stupid on the talk page. In any case this is going to keep happening and this pothole method isn't holding up.

Perhaps a Community Vote(even though I am pretty sure it's just an open and shut case where we personally feel the policy [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 22:51, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:If a split were to happen, I can certainly say for sure that if any Primax Cryotek page were to be created separately from Viron Cryotek, said Primax page would definitely have a "(Universe)" disambiguation tag since the guy debuted in Universe fiction. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:17, 22 December 2015 (EST)

== Splitting vote ==

Seems like now's as good a time as any to put it to the question. Obviously, I vote to split. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 18:24, 23 December 2015 (EST)
:I agree. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:31, 23 December 2015 (EST)

*Split. Man I am WAY tooo excited for my first wiki vote. [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 19:02, 24 December 2015 (EST)

*I vote no split. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:37, 23 December 2015 (EST)

*Split. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 18:44, 23 December 2015 (EST)

*Split, please. --[[User:Crossblades|Crossblades]] ([[User talk:Crossblades|talk]]) 19:13, 23 December 2015 (EST)

*Split if we're not gonna merge the other RID characters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:50, 24 December 2015 (EST)

* No split. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 16:58, 24 December 2015 (EST)

* Split. --[[User:Razorsaw|Razorsaw]]

*Split would seem to align with our typical systems of categorization. [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 20:28, 24 December 2015 (EST)

*Split, grudgingly. [[User:Chip|Chip]] ([[User talk:Chip|talk]]) 21:22, 24 December 2015 (EST)

*Split. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 23:06, 24 December 2015 (EST)

== Unsplit discussion moved from Cryotek (G1) ==

I can think of literally no reason this article, if it even needs to exist, would have (G1) as a disambig. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 19:47, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
:Really? He's a G1 characters. What else would we use? BW? Timelines? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:56, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
::His franchise of origin is RID, since that's what his toy is. And normally, that'd be how we categorize his page. He'd just be a Primax guy with a toy from RID, just like Air Attack Optimus Primal. He didn't have RID fiction until 2015, which now complicates things. But if Cryotek has to have a separate Primax article, I'm pretty sure he'd have to be (Universe), since that's the franchise the character appeared in first if you ignore his toy. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:12, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
:::There was no reason for this split and it should be reverted. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:35, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
::::If he has RID fiction now, that is an incredible reason for a split, no? One guy is RID and one guy is from the Beast Machines era of G1. It seems pretty simple to me. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] ([[User talk:Crockalley|talk]]) 22:22, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::I wish it were that simple. The continuity family system was implemented by fans, including the wiki, because same-name characters from different continuity families generally had distinct personalities and toys, hence necessitating separate articles. But both Primax and Viron Cryoteks have the same basic personality and share the same toy. They're as similar as WfC Optimus Prime and Prime cartoon Optimus Prime, distinguished only by the labeling of their home realities. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:32, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
Revert. This is fucking stupid, and the reasons we're having these discussions is fucking stupid. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:37, 1 October 2015 (EDT)
:If this wiki had existed back when Cryotek was revealed and we split the pages, this'd be at (BM). That's what the Wreckers comics were based on and Universe wasn't a thing then. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:13, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
::Since the consensus seems to be keeping both versions of the character on one page, this is a pretty silly discussion. I was asking because I genuinely wanted to understand where the guy should go, for my own understanding of the wiki culture here. But why argue about a page that people feel shouldn't exist? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 01:38, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
:::I don't really care either way; just inputting on the disambig should the split be retained. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:54, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
::::I'm in favour of a split, but I might be biased. I'd vote for a Universe disambig for this page. If not, do we merge Jhiaxus (RID) into Jhiaxus (G2)? -[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 03:02, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::I would also vote to reunite Jhiaxus, yes. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 06:56, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::Another one that probably should be merged in is [[Megazarak (Armada)]] into [[Megazarak (Universe]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 06:58, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Okay, now, hold on a second here, guys. This is not me advocating a separate article or anything, but there's not "no reason" for splitting, nor is the notion of the article existing "fucking stupid". Creating a separate article for a Viron Cryotek would absolutely be standard procedure, based on the way we have done things for the entirety of the Wiki's existence. This is just, as I said over on the other Cryotek talk page, one of several cases of the cracks in our classification system becoming bigger and bigger, as fundamentally identical characters being to appear more and more across different continuity families. I know I have thought, in the past, "why are we bothering to create an article for this character just because they exist in a different family?" - silly example, but [[Hector Ramirez|Hector Ramirez (Animated)]] sprang to mind - and certainly the recent topic of splitting by species I raised was an example of something similar - and that question is becoming harder to ignore. I think it was LV! who said over on the AllSpark that acknowledging instances like this means our classification system is fundamentally ''changing'' to some extent, and we should probably discuss that a ''bit'' more than just hand-wavingly deciding this specific instance is dumb. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 07:18, 2 October 2015 (EDT
:My position remains that these are not "cracks getting bigger and new characters appearing" - this is a system that worked just fine for a decade being deliberately screwed with. If people weren't trying to insta-canonize their own wishes by manipulating our system, nothing of the sort would have "appeared." I say we don't have to play along. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:35, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
:Just to clarify my use of the phrase "no reason" referred only to the (G1) disambig, because that is clearly wrong for a Beast Era character. I can see the argument both ways for keeping the articles separate, and the more I think about I'm slightly incline to favor the split. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 07:43, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

:But this isn't just AVP. What is the distinction between Prime Knock Out and the Knock Out who has just appeared in IDW, or Gigatron showing up in Drift, besides their simply existing in separate continuity families? Why did we create [[Bulkhead (DOTM)]] when it's clearly just a toy of Prime Bulkhead, if Cryotek having a toy in RID didn't distinguish him from the BM comic-era character? The WFC/FOC characters have reached a stage where they essentially simultaneously represent G1 and Aligned versions of the characters. When a room full of Armada/Energon cameos appears in an IDW story, we literally have to publically dismiss them as meaningless easter eggs or someone will create new pages for each and every one of them because the wiki's system claims "new family, new character, new article". There is more to discuss here than being teed off at AVP. "Continuity familes" were a method of distinction we ''made up'', and if we can at least agree that "Brisko" the Nebulan from the Marvel comics and "Brisko" the Cybertronian from IDW comics belong on the same article because they were both based on the same root toy/character, then we can have similar discussions about other characters that span broader distinctions of universal classification. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 07:46, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
::Ok, this is brilliant and sums up in one sentence much of what has been bothering me recently. "''"Continuity familes" were a method of distinction we ''made up'', and if we can at least agree that "Brisko" the Nebulan from the Marvel comics and "Brisko" the Cybertronian from IDW comics belong on the same article because they were both based on the same root toy/character, then we can have similar discussions about other characters that span broader distinctions of universal classification.''" The idea that these guys are all stemming from the same root and therefore could be all on the same page feels very ''right'' to me. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:35, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
:::If this all has something to do with our policy, maybe the best course of action would be for people to suggest revised versions of the policy itself. Once we've got something new worked out, we can start implementing it to the whole website. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 11:04, 2 October 2015 (EDT)
::::I suppose the fundamental problem here is what separates [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)]] but not those more minor characters if we adopt a more flexible system. Article length? Design? Where is the line determined? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:25, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

== Go-Box ==

The Go-Box still goes to this page even though the picture is of [[Cryotek (Universe)]]. I don't know how to fix that. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 14:55, 4 March 2016 (EST)
:[[Template:Goicons]], for future reference. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:12, 4 March 2016 (EST)
::Thanks! --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 04:39, 5 March 2016 (EST)

== Split/Merge? ==

Why did we even bother with splitting this article if you guys are merging together every other RID character who has a G1 counterpart, such as Side Burn, Gigatron/Megatron, and Tow-Line? [[User:Freakertron|Freakertron]] ([[User talk:Freakertron|talk]]) 23:37, 29 December 2016 (EST)

Given subsequent developments on the wiki, I think I will merge "Cryotek (RID)" and "Cryotek (Universe)" back together. Any objections? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:09, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

None here. What about Jhiaxus? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:14, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
:Hmm, I'm not really sure. I think that I'm in favor of leaving those separate. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:36, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

:As someone who thought merging the RID and G1 articles was a bad idea, I also think that merging this with Cryotek (Universe) is a bad idea. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:55, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

::FWIW, the [http://botcon.com/archive/story/characters/cryotek.html BotCon.com profile for the Cryotek of the Wreckers comics] was based on an unreleased bio and tech specs Hasbro had written for the RID Cryotek toy, so the original RID toy was always meant to represent the character that the BotCon profile ended up representing.
::I guess at the end of it all, what we should be asking ourselves is what makes this Cryotek distinct enough from his Wreckers comics counterpart to keep the two separate, in contrast to the distinctions between the Viron and English Primax versions of Sky-Byte, Side Burn, Megatron/Gigatron, and others of the like whose Viron and English Primax versions each share an article? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:48, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Or what makes [[Hot Shot (Armada)]] distinct from [[Hot Shot (Henkei!)]]? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:00, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
As always, the important questions...
:(1) Is it causing any problems where it currently is?
:(2) Will it be measurably better, in any way, if we moved it?
--[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:19, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

New information not yet mentioned here: According to [http://tfarchive.com/toys/checklists/robots_in_disguise_car_robots.php#ridexc TFArchive's RiD/Car Robots toy checklist], Cryotek's toy was first released in January 2002. Our own RiD/Car Robots toyline page states this as well. Moreover, in addition to the aforementioned BotCon Online profile for Cryotek having been based on an unreleased bio that Hasbro planned to use for the RiD Cryotek toy, said bio was first published on [http://web.archive.org/web/20011118080039/http://www.botcon.com/characters/cryotek.html BotCon Online] when its [http://web.archive.org/web/20011202223401/http://botcon.com/ November 13, 2001 revamp] first went live on that date. This means that Cryotek's characterization as an engineer-turned-criminal who was also BW Megatron's mentor predated the RiD toy's release by about two months, and even predated his first in-story appearance in The Wreckers #2 by eight months.

Plus, according to [http://tfarchive.com/toys/reviews/rid_cryotek.php this old toy review of Cryotek also from TFArchive], the toy was originally supposed to be released in the Beast Machines line much like Air Attack Optimus Primal and Megatron Megabolt. While the former received a Hasbro.com bio pegging him as the same Optimus Primal from BW and BM, and the latter received a bio that rewrote him as a version of RID Megatron, the Cryotek toy never got any bio beyond the BotCon one that, as mentioned, was originally meant to be for the RID toy.

And, well, we're now at a point where we have all G1 versions of RID characters on the same pages, so that policy kinda demands that we put the RID and BotCon Cryotek pages back together. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 15:51, 15 January 2021 (EST)
:No, we're at a point where we have all G1 versions of ''CR'' characters on the same pages. Jhiaxus, Obsidian, et al. are still separate. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:43, 15 January 2021 (EST)
::In this case, though, the character preceded the toy, and the character was a Beast Era one. The bio-less toy's packaging was the only thing tying it to the RID franchise for 13 years until AVP invented a RID version whose existence was still tied to a setting that was pretty much just another version of Beast Machines, and in which he even still ended up mentoring a version of BW Megatron. That's far less distinct that the Wings and IDW versions of Sky-Byte, Side Burn, etc. from their original RID versions. As for the Jhiaxus and Obsidian comparisons, G2 Jhiaxus using the RID toy in Wings was always a repurposing since the RID toy bore zero resemblance to its G2 namesake, while RID Obsidian was a unique deco completely unrelated to its BM namesake. The only reason the original Cryotek page was split in the first place was because Sky-Byte, Side Burn, Gigatron, Slapper, and Dark Scream had Wings/IDW versions that were given their own pages before it was decided to merge all of them with their nigh-identical original RID selves. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:47, 16 January 2021 (EST)

===Merge back===
It's been mentioned a number of times that his RID and Universe pages ought to be merged back together. They were only split because, at the time, we were keeping RID'01 characters and their G1 transplants separate, and a definite RID version of the character didn't come about until a single Ask Vector Prime post.

Afterward, all of the RID'01 characters had their G1 analogues merged into them. Even Hasbro-originals with no Car Robots counterparts have their G1 transplants on their RID pages, like [[Wind Sheer (RID)]], [[Skyfire (RID)]], [[Bruticus (RID)]], and [[Megabolt]]. Yet, Cryotek was not merged back despite AVP describing his RID self as an alternate version of his Wreckers self, even playing a role in a setting very much based on that of Beast Machines. His Wreckers self even directly quoted his RID toy motto at the end of The Wreckers #2, as a deliberate nod by the author to say that "Yes, this is the character of that RID toy despite the difference in continuity family."

So I propose we do the following: Merge the two Cryotek pages back together, under the name of "Cryotek (RID)". While the Beast Machines-based BotCon Online character bio was his first piece of fiction released in November 2001 two months before the toy saw release in January 2002 (and was originally written by Hasbro to be used for the RID toy), the toy's official reveal in RID packaging at BotCon 2001 preceded the online bio by four month in July 2001. And by the time he first appeared in The Wreckers #2, everyone at the time who already knew about him knew that he was a RID toy, so the "(RID)" tag makes the most sense in terms of what came first for Cryotek.

His intro might need some rewriting to make it less 3H/Fun Pub-specific, but otherwise, we can explain in the Notes section why he's under "(RID)" when most of his fiction is Beast Wars/Machines-related. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:20, 19 May 2022 (EDT)
:I am for this merge. I don't have anything more to add, I think all of these points are valid. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 23:40, 19 May 2022 (EDT)
::Bumping this, because I just noticed it. Feels like these pages should absolutely be merged under current policy. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:46, 6 September 2022 (EDT)
:: Agreed.•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 07:05, 6 September 2022 (EDT)

User:ChristalIsMe

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ChristalIsMe: Created page with "Hello! My name is Christal, and I use she/her pronouns. That's all there is too know about me lol Also, I've nothing better to do, so I'll write about fanmade SG Rescue Bot..."

Hello! My name is Christal, and I use she/her pronouns. That's all there is too know about me lol

Also, I've nothing better to do, so I'll write about fanmade SG Rescue Bots here.
==The Main Four==
===Heatwave===
His colour scheme is inspired by [[Optimus Prime (SG)|SG Optimus]].

Heatwave was once a member of team Prime, but he always wanted to get as far from there as possible. Not, add the leader of the "Rescue" Bots, his job is to terrorize what ever town his team gets assigned to. He gets along well with his partner, and also frequently hands over leadership duties to his second-in-command, Blades.
===Blades===
His colour scheme is inspired by [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]].

Blades' dream is to have full control of his team, but for now, he settles for Second. He believes that his leader, Heatwave, knows nothing of leadership, which is why he's glad he often gets command. During tides where he isn't in command, he can be found in The sky, as far up as his engine will take him.
===Chase===
His colour scheme is inspired by [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]].

Chase knows every law and rule by heart, he just doesn't care they exist. In fact, he often will admit to intentionally breaking rules, not to achieve a goal, but because he wanted to. Blades knows that he's dangerous, but Heatwave keys him around, believes him to be an asset. Chase knows, that I've day, he will be in control...

===Boulder===
His colour scheme is just normal, [[Constructicon (G1)|but with added purple]].

Boulder doesn't see any point of nature. Cybertron doesn't have any. Why should Earth? In fact, he seems to spend most of his time destroying the earth, attempting to turn it into a perfect replica of cold, dead, Cybertron. Unlike the other members of this team, he doesn't mean any harm, and wholeheartedly believes that he's helping. Heatwave dreads of the day Boulder sees the truth, because Boulder is perhaps one of the strongest 'bots on earth.

Bruticus (G1)

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ChristalIsMe: Other combiners mention CW components, so why not this one?

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{{disambig3|Bruticus}}
:''Bruticus is a [[Decepticon]] [[combiner]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:Bruticusg1guido.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''They all combine and kick Superion's behind'' ''As the big, bad, battlin' Bruticus!'']]
'''Bruticus''' is the combined form of the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]] team. A terrifying sight on the battlefield, Bruticus is among the strongest of all Transformers. He can pulverize a suspension bridge with a single 14,000 psi punch. He can lift up to 500,000 pounds. His armor is impervious to most artillery and radiation.

He's also as dumb as a sack of hammers. But as far as Decepticon combiners go, [[Devastator (G1)|mental]] [[Menasor (G1)|problems]] [[Abominus (G1)|aren't terribly]] [[Dinoking|uncommon]]. In fact, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] wishes that he had an army of Bruticuses, and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] is thankful that he doesn't.

Bruticus is composed of:

*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (torso)
*[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] (left arm)
*[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] (left leg)
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (right arm)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (right leg)
Sometimes, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] forms Bruticus' weapon.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Roger C. Carmel]] (English), [[Yū Shimaka|Yutaka Shimaka]] (Japanese) |[[Lin Dongfu]] (Chinese), [[Edgar Wald]] (Spanish), [[Thomas Rau]] (German, "Fight or Flee", "The Burden Hardest to Bear"), [[Thomas Albus]] (German, ''Generation 2'' "Starscream's Brigade", "The Revenge of Bruticus"), [[Willy Schäfer]] (German, ''Generation 2'', "Fight or Flee"), [[Georges Atlas]] (European French), [[François Leccia]] (European French, "B.O.T."), [[Marcos Miranda]] (Portuguese), [[Ayrton Cardoso]] (Portuguese, "Fight or Flee")}}

[[File:Starscreamsbrigade megatron grabbed.jpg|160px|left|thumb]]
Bruticus became active for the first time during a battle between [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]'s rogue Decepticon brigade and Megatron's forces. Anticipating [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s expected moves, he waited for his former leader to order the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] to merge into [[Devastator (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Devastator]]. Starscream then unleashed his surprise—he similarly ordered the Combaticons to form the mighty Bruticus. Though extremely low in intelligence, even by the standards of combined robots, he was also extremely powerful, easily defeating Devastator and sending the remaining Decepticons loyal to Megatron into retreat. Unfortunately, the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] arrived and formed [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], who launched an attack from behind, quickly subduing Bruticus. {{storylink|Starscream's Brigade}}

[[File:Bruticus cartoon.jpg|thumb|"Bruticus crush... Bruticus destroy human who draw Bruticus wrong!"]]
Starscream and the Combaticons were banished from [[Earth]] on an asteroid, and the group quickly had a falling-out. After Starscream left, the Combaticons attacked [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], easily defeating [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and his drones. Thirsting for revenge, the Combaticons reprogrammed the [[space bridge]] to pull Earth closer to the Sun, in the hopes of destroying it and every Transformer there. The Autobots and Decepticons temporarily joined forces to retake Cybertron and prevent Earth's destruction, and with Starscream's help, they deactivated the Combaticons once they formed Bruticus through a failsafe device built into the treacherous giant's back. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and Megatron agreed that Bruticus must be destroyed, but the Decepticon leader fooled the Autobots by using Shockwave's holographic simulator to make it appear as though Bruticus was destroyed, when in reality the combiner was reprogrammed to be loyal only to Megatron. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

[[File:Revenge of bruticus 2 threratenShockwave.jpg|left|thumb|"Bruticus want be drawn proper!"]]
Soon afterwards, during Megatron's latest scheme on Earth involving the theft of fighter aircraft using Middle-Eastern criminals, the Combaticons were called into service to defend Megatron's [[Giant Purple Griffin]], a large... thing that apparently pumped oil. Or something. Struggling against the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], the Combaticons formed Bruticus, yet were still knocked over when the Autobot planes twisted a tow cable around his legs. The Decepticon combiner was finally defeated when the Aerialbots ignited the nearby oil wells, causing a massive explosion that sent Megatron, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and Bruticus flying away. {{storylink|Aerial Assault}}

Later, Bruticus was walking down the street, minding his own business (i.e. attacking a human city) when BAM! Bruticus was destroyed in battle with [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] (man, this guy can't seem to catch a break). Only Swindle survived, and he sold the remains of his comrades to various mercenaries and [[El Presidente|third-world dictator-types]], only to be forced to locate and rebuild the Combaticons by Megatron. The reformed Bruticus was then defeated when Megatron's [[orbit disruptor cannon]] was overloaded by the human-built [[B.O.T. (G1)|B.O.T.]], once again sending the Decepticon flying into the sky. {{storylink|B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.}}

[[File:Revenge of bruticus 16 brains.jpg|left|thumb|"See! Bruticus head not empty!"]]
For some reason, in the year 2006 the Combaticons were idly hanging around as Bruticus during the Decepticon occupation of [[Paradron]]. He served as something of a comic foil for [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]], acting as straight-man while Galvatron delivered witticisms that were completely lost on the giant warrior. Also... that old line about "losing your head if you weren't attached to it"? Apparently, you can lose a foot even if it was attached, because [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] was seen manning a molecular cannon while Bruticus was in the control room with Galvatron. If you don't watch those feet, they just run right off on their own. {{storylink|Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee}}

During a Decepticon invasion of Japan, Bruticus was battling Defensor near a dojo. He enraged his opponent by negligently putting the humans in danger with their combat and, once [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] arrived to back up Defensor, Bruticus split into the individual Combaticons and fled. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}}

Invading [[Gregory Swofford|Swofford]] and [[Mark Morgan|Morgan]]'s lab, Bruticus was the first Decepticon infected by the [[Hate Plague]]. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}}
{{--}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' story pages=====
Bruticus and Menasor were defeated in battle with Defensor and the Aerialbots. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (story page)|F!SRLT #13}}

=====Scramble City=====
{{voiceactor|[[Yū Shimaka]] (Japanese)}}

[[File:SCcelMenSupBrut.jpg|thumb|Et tu, Bruticus?]]
In 1986, the Autobots and their human allies worked diligently on their "Scramble City" project, a giant mobile fortress. Several Decepticons under the command of Starscream were dispatched to attack the secret construction site, but were defeated by the Aerialbots. Due to Starscream's failure to stop the Aerialbots, the Stunticons were quickly sent in, and soon in the battle formed Menasor. Menasor managed to corrupt Superion's formation by shooting one of ''his own'' limbs onto his opponent, rendering Superion vulnerable. However, he was soon stopped, and Superion regained his balance. Eventually, the Combaticons came in to help Menasor (though not willingly), forming Bruticus. The two tag-teamed against Superion, but were both stopped when [[Metroplex (G1)|Scramble City itself]] was brought into battle to end the conflict. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Michitaka Kobayashi]] (Japanese), [[Ryōichi Tanaka]] (Japanese, ep 13)}}

[[File:HeadOn RaidenVsBruticus.JPG|left|thumb|"Bruticus duel with light... poles."]]
Bruticus joined up with several other Decepticon combiners during a Decepticon assault on Cybertron, {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} but they were all driven away by [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} When the Combaticons were sent out to stop [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] from finding the [[Matrix of Leadership]], they clashed with the Protectobots again. Both teams combined, but Defensor eventually blasted the mountain behind Bruticus, who was buried in the ensuing rockfall. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}} While defending [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] against intruders, the Combaticons formed Bruticus to fight back against the incoming [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

Bruticus scuffled with Defensor yet again during a new attack on Cybertron, {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} but was defeated by a flying punch to the neck. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}} Next up, Bruticus was set with ambushing any Autobots who came to stop [[buridanka|a giant carnivorous plant]] planted by the Decepticons in [[San Francisco]]. When the [[Trainbot]]s arrived, Bruticus and [[Raiden]] did battle with energy swords. {{storylink|Head On!! Fortress Maximus}}

[[File:Hm35 Bruticus holding Computron.jpg|thumb]]
Bruticus was formed by the Combaticons as part of Sixshot's major strike on Earth. He attacked an Autobot outpost as four other outposts were being assaulted simultaneously by the other Decepticons. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}

On the planet [[Master (planet)|Master]], Bruticus later helped a group of Decepticons lead Fortress Maximus away from their base. {{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}} Later, back on Earth, he stood by and laughed as [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] sank the luxury liner ''[[Queen World]]'' off the coast of Lisbon, Portugal. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} Finally, Bruticus participated in the large-scale battle with the Autobots at the North Pole, and was seen holding down [[Computron (G1)|Computron]] so [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] could kick him. When [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s energy-absorbing satellite started tearing the Earth apart, Bruticus retreated into the atmosphere to watch the results alongside the rest of the Decepticon forces. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

=====''Zone'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Yukimasa Kishino]] (Japanese)}}

Over fifteen years later, after several more Decepticon leaders had come and gone, the faction came under the rulership of the supernatural entity [[Violengiguar]]. This mysterious creature's first action was to recruit a team of [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] from Decepticon history; Bruticus was enlisted as his "Flame General" and outfitted with new armor and weaponry to make him even more powerful than before. Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], Violengiguar sent his generals forth to conquer planets. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}} Bruticus was the first to encounter the [[Autobot]]s when he attacked the planet [[Feminia]]. He was defeated by the combined might of the [[Rescue Patrol Team]], [[Super Car Patrol Team]], [[Battle Patrol|Battle Patrol Team]], [[Galaxy Rocket]] and [[Moonradar (G1)|Moonradar]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 2}}

The Generals later schooled [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]] and the [[Metrosquad]] in the ways of evil, making them more than formidable foes for the Powered Masters. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}

Bruticus did little with the new power Violengiguar gave him; while he joined Abominus, Menasor, and Overlord on a raid for [[Energon Z]] on planet [[Micro|Zone]], he was not seen to engage in battle at any time. His comrades waded through the barrage of firepower unleashed by Zone Base, fending off attacks by the Micromasters, and tore the Energon Z power core out of the base. Bruticus then joined his comrades in escaping with their prize, which they handed off to the other generals to take to Earth as they searched for the Zodiac there. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

=====''Legends'' comic=====
When the [[Cybertron Alliance]] fell apart due to the [[human]]s murdering [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s [[Kiloton|friend]], Bruticus answered Megatron's call for war. {{Storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Metroplex)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}}

=====''Generations Selects Special Comic''=====
In [[2050]], Bruticus and the Decepticons joined the revolution of the [[Selector]]s against their human masters. The [[Quintesson]]s and the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]]s sided with the humans, and [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] attacked all while craving Angolmois Energy. In battle with a scrambled version of [[Computron (G1)|Computron]], Abominus crashed into Bruticus and Menasor and stole some of their limb components to make an even stronger version of himself. {{storylink|Abominus comic 2}}

====''TV Magazine'' comic continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
When Superion and Defensor teamed up to take on Menasor as he was attacking a baseball stadium, Bruticus stepped in to aid his fellow Decepticon combiner. After a short skirmish, the Decepticons seemed assured a victory, until Bruticus got his legs knocked off. [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] and [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] then latched onto the stumps and blasted Bruticus away, dumping him in the Pacific Ocean, far away from Japan. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 5|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #5}}

The Combaticons pursued a dog imbued with Decepticon super-science until [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] interfered. They combined into Bruticus as a unit of Autobot [[Mini Vehicle|Minibots]] came to aid Powerglide, but the dog granted the awesome energy within it to Powerglide, allowing him to [[Minibot combiner|combine with the other Autobots]] and blow Bruticus away. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 8|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #8}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''=====
In the year [[2010]], Bruticus participated in a Decepticon attack on the planet Feminia, battling alongside Devastator and Menasor against their Autobot counterparts Superion, Defensor and Omega Supreme. The fight was fairly evenly matched until Galvatron called up his ace-in-the-hole, [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], whose power was unmatched by any of the Autobots... except for the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibots]], who essentially tied Predaking's shoelaces together until he fell over, straight into Bruticus and his chums, sending them all toppling to the ground and knocking them to bits.{{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 5|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #5}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
After tearing Superion into his component Aerialbots, the Combaticons merged into Bruticus and joined Menasor in defending [[Trypticon (G1)|Dinobase]] against incursion by the Protectobots. While his men kept the pair busy, [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] used his repair bay mode to fix up the injured Aerialbots, who then blinded the giants with their dazzling "Scramble Shot" fly-by attack. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

=====''Zone'' comic=====
[[File:BruticusZone1.jpg|thumb|"Bruticus finally drawn right... with fire."]]
The Decepticons came under the rulership of the supernatural entity [[Violengiguar]]. This mysterious creature's first action was to recruit a team of [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] from Decepticon history; Bruticus was enlisted as his "Flame General" and outfitted with new armor and weaponry to make him even more powerful than before. Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], Violengiguar sent his generals forth to conquer planets. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}} Bruticus was the first to encounter the [[Autobot]]s when he attacked the planet [[Feminia]]. He was defeated by the combined might of the [[Rescue Patrol Team]], [[Super Car Patrol Team]], [[Battle Patrol|Battle Patrol Team]], [[Galaxy Rocket]] and [[Moonradar (G1)|Moonradar]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 2}}

The Generals later schooled [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]] and the [[Metrosquad]] in the ways of evil, making them more than formidable foes for the Powered Masters. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}

The [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] united to attack planet Feminia, destroying it utterly. Violengiguar next charged his Generals with collecting [[Energon Z]] and the all-powerful [[Zodiac]], which he intended to use to fuel his conquest. Bruticus, together with [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]], [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], and [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]], attacked planet Zone; striking quickly, they stole the Energon Z before the local [[Micromaster]] teams could even muster a defense. As they gloated over their success, the tiny Autobots transformed [[Zone Base]] to try and mount a counterattack, and the generals fled with their prize. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (manga)|Zone}}
{{--}}

====''The Animated Movie''====
[[File:TAM TPB Gestalt Fight.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4]]
During the [[Battle of Autobot City]] in 2005, Bruticus and Menasor staged an attack on [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], occupying the attentions of Omega Supreme, Superion, and Defensor and preventing them from coming to the aid of their comrades in the besieged city. {{storylink|Transformers: The Animated Movie|The Animated Movie trade paperback}}
{{--}}

====''Wings Universe''====
{{Wingsnote}}
[[File:ComingStorm5-Bruticus.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.1|awww tell us how you REALLY feel]]

Combination technology was something the [[Decepticon Warlord]] [[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]] had long tinkered with, since the days of his fortress in [[Gygax]]. Although his early experiments were discontinued thanks to the [[Elite Guard|Autobot Elite Guard]], he remained interested in the idea, and eventually found the perfect means to implement it. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 36|Bruticus's profile in Club magazine #36}}

When the Combaticons were swayed to joining forces with Deathsaurus they received various upgrades. They demonstrated the most potent of these upgrades when they were surrounded by their former comrades in the Elite Guard and combined into Bruticus. The combiner then proceeded to crush their former commanding officer Sentinel Major with one mighty hand. This prompted the other Elite Guardsmen to attack in search of vengeance. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 5}}

Tragically for the Guard, Bruticus proved to be virtually unstoppable and easily wiped out several of the Elite Guard teams before [[Metalhawk (G1)|Metalhawk]]'s Strike Team arrived. Despite the heroic efforts of [[Ironfist (G1)|Ironfist]] and [[Over-Run (G1)|Over-Run]], Bruticus quickly slew them before [[Dion (G1)|Dion]] managed to blind the mighty combiner and force him to separate. This forced the Combaticons to retreat, but not before killing Metalhawk as well. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 6}}

The Combaticons underwent repairs at Deathsaurus's base, but shocked to learn that the repairs included a remote activation for their combination into Bruticus. The combiner, confused and still blinded from his battle, lashed out at the Constructicons repairing him, and they were forced to use the override they'd fitted to stop the giant in his tracks. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 1}} {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 2}} During the battle to defend the base against the Elite Guard, the Combaticons again attempted to form Bruticus, only to be promptly blasted. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 3}}
{{--}}

===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
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[[File:Bruticus-ukcard.jpg|upright=0.95|thumb|"Where Bruticus helmet go?"]]
''In a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-induced vision, [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] saw the future, where Autobot and Decepticon [[Special Teams]] battled over the [[Pullen Power Plant]]. One such team was the Combaticons, who merged into the massive warrior, Bruticus. Unfortunately for the Autobots, [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] managed to tap into this induced dream, allowing the Decepticons to see the same possibilities the Autobots did.'' {{storylink|Second Generation!}} {{storylink|The Special Teams Have Arrived}}

[[File:G1 Child'sPlay Defensor.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.7|"Bruticus DESTROY hobo's home!"]]
Megatron and the Combaticons invaded [[Energy Futures Industries]] with the intent of stealing the powerful [[hydrothermocline]]. Confronted by Optimus Prime and the Protectobots, Megatron attempted to prove the superiority of his forces by ordering them to combine into... Bruticus! His gloating was cut short, however, when the Protectobots demonstrated the equally impressive ability to combine into... [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]! Fortunately for all sides, the fleshling [[Ethan Zachary]] arrived with a solution that didn't involve Bruticus and Defensor going at it until the entire complex (and the hydrothermocline) was annihilated. {{storylink|Afterdeath!}} ''These events were observed by the [[time travel]]ling [[Dicet Alpha-zero]].'' {{storylink|The Quest!}}

The Combaticons formed Bruticus in a northern [[California]] railyard to battle the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], who subsequently formed [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]. The two soon battled to a standstill, as Bruticus's sonic stun gun proved no match for Defensor's force field, but the Decepticon eventually managed to topple his foe by smacking him around with an ''entire train''. Bruticus then noticed [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], who claimed to have left the [[Autobot]]s, and seemingly killed [[Sammy Wainwright|a child]] to prove it. Bruticus was so impressed that he didn't notice Blaster toppling a power line on him, blasting him into his component parts. {{storylink|Child's Play (issue)|Child's Play}}
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===The Special Teams===
Upon the Combaticons’ creation, Bruticus was imbued with Starscream's violent, criminal personality. When the Combaticons encountered Menasor and Defensor battling one another after being sent to the [[Pullen Power Plant]], Onslaught ordered to rest of his team to merge with him to form Bruticus. Bruticus was then urged by Menasor to aid him in taking down Defensor before the Aerialbots got a chance to merge into their combined formed as well. The opening was lost as the Aerialbots combined immediately, and stood next to Defensor, ready to take on their opponents. Bruticus took on Defensor while Menasor squared off against Superion. Bruticus was defeated by Defensor when he become momentarily distracted by Menasor mid-battle. {{storylink|The Special Teams}}

===Toy pack-in material===
Bruticus participated in a tumultuous battle on a moon base. He and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] shot at [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] as they entered the conflict. {{storylink|Decipher the Decepticon}}

===St. Michael ''The Transformers'' Sticker Book===
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The Combaticons, and by extension Bruticus, were part of the crew of Decepticons serving under Galvatron near the planet Barrenikon when they shot down a ship captained by Ultra Magnus. The Combaticons only merged once in one possible scenario that followed, where they found [[you]] stuck in a quicksand hole in a swamp. Bruticus took you to the Decepticon ship as his prisoner. Though you tried to start a conversation with him to pass the time, Bruticus remained silent the entire journey to the ship's hold. {{storylink|The Transformers Sticker Book (St. Michael)|The Transformers Sticker Book}}

===''Transformers/G.I. Joe''===
[[File:Bruticus-Wolves.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.0|Attack ''of'' titan.]]
Bruticus was created in [[1939]] as part of a plot by [[Destro]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] to overthrow their [[Cobra Commander|respective]] [[Megatron (G1)|leaders]]. A fusion of human and Cybertronian technology, Bruticus had no mind of his own, and was made only to follow his creators' orders. {{storylink|Wolves}} Later, when the combined forces of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and the Autobots were moving against [[Cobra]], Destro betrayed Starscream and activated Bruticus, ordering him to destroy everyone. Screaming that he hated everything and that he only wanted to "sleep again", Bruticus went on a wild rampage and caused an avalanche. As the giant swept aside any Autobot resistance, [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] deduced that Bruticus was an artificial creation and wasn't really "alive" like the other Transformers. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] saw only one way to stop him—destroying the [[Matrix of Leadership]] that was connected to the lifeforce of all Transformers. On Prime's orders, [[Snake-Eyes]] let Bruticus smash the Matrix, causing a flash of light that destroyed the raging giant. {{storylink|The Iron Fist}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:BlackSunshine Bruticusdamaged.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"Bruticus suntan lotion no work!"]]
Mighty Bruticus created from members of [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. But then [[Optimus Prime (G1)|truckbot]] and [[Megatron (G1)|bossbot]] go away, thought killed, though not by Bruticus. Robots make [[Crisis Intervention Accord|deal]] which make Combaticons not work together. Bruticus not like deal, but components agree, forcing Bruticus to go to sleep... {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Guide}} {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages}}

[[Starscream (G1)|Starbot]] later take components to [[Earth|fleshie world]]. Bruticus defeat puny Autobots, make Starbot compliment, Bruticus happy. But Starbot call Bruticus stupid for letting other bots get away, make Bruticus sad. Bruticus attack [[Ark (G1)|Autobot base]], but Autobots blow up base. Starbot angry at Bruticus again because Starbot wanted base in one piece. {{storylink|Night of the Combaticons}} Starbot yell at Bruticus, but not Bruticus fault. Soon, Bruticus components damaged in battle by [[Sunstorm (G1)|Burning bot]], Starbot order components to form mighty Bruticus! Bruticus try to smash Burning bot, but Burning bot too fast. ARGH! Bruticus head blown up by [[Mini Vehicle|Little Bot]] [[Orion|spaceship]]! Bruticus go to sleep... {{storylink|Black Sunshine}}

[[File:RouteofAllEvil Bruticus.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|"Give purse to BRUTICUS!"]]
Later, components training by fighting [[Sky Lynx (G1)|egobot]] when [[Predaking (G1)|strangebot]] interrupt. Components recognize danger, and form Mighty Bruticus! Strangebot attack Bruticus! Bruticus ANGRY! Bruticus try to stop strangebot guns, but strangebot use foot-gun to hurt Bruticus!

Coward Starbot fly away like coward. Strangebot, open wings like birdbot and chase, but Bruticus stop birdbot. Bruticus want birdbot to DIE! No! Stupid gun, broken! Birdbot hurt Bruticus again, and Bruticus go to sleep... {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

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===''The Beast Within''===
The Combaticons merged to form Bruticus in order to fight [[Beast (G1)|The Beast]] during a particularly violent battle between the Autobots and the Decepticons. He didn't last too long against the Dinobot gestalt. {{storylink|The Beast Within}}
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===''Mystery of Convoy''===
{{see|#Games}}
====''Mystery of Convoy'' strategy guide manga====
Though Bruticus tried to sneak up on Ultra Magnus to blast him with his shoulder beam, the Autobot evaded his blast. Ultra Magnus then managed to hit Bruticus's forehead upon returning fire. Having received a blow to his weak spot, Bruticus was defeated. {{storylink|Transformers (Mystery of Convoy)#Stage 7: Watch Out for Bruticus's Shoulder Beam!|Watch Out for Bruticus's Shoulder Beam!}}

====''Alternity''====
Bruticus, amongst others, was empowered by a higher-dimensional [[Megatron (G1)#Alternity|Megatron]] in order to be pitted against a higher-dimensional [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Alternity|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|avatar]] in a cross-dimensional "game full of death and suffering". {{storylink|To Die Game!}}
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===''Transformers: All Spark''===
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{{storylink|Another Episode, Part 1}} {{storylink|Another Episode, Part 2}}

===''Kre-O'' online comic===
The Combaticons attacked the Autobots in the form of Bruticus, only to halt the assault because [[Vortex (G1)#Kre-O|Vortex]] didn't want to be there, he wanted to be home and guard the Decepticon base. In order to make him happy again, the other three Combaticons separated and went home with him. {{storylink|New Military Unit Combaticon! Bruticus, Combine!}} Bruticus later helped [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] put the finishing touch on [[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]]'s new solar power tower, only to drop the ball and wreck the tower instead. {{storylink|Megatron's Ambition!? The Solar Tower Is Built!}} When the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] tried to capture Swindle, he combined with his buddies to form Bruticus, only for the giant to be promptly defeated by the Protectobots' own combined form, [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]. {{storylink|Bad at Fighting? Rescue Team Protectobots, Dispatch!}}

At some point, Bruticus, Devastator and [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] attacked [[Metroplex (Kre-O)|Metroplex]] and were faced with [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. Making use of [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s fear of heights, the three scared Superion by throwing him into the air, but were defeated after the Autobot combiner re-combined onto the ground and rolled into their legs. {{storylink|Kre-O Micro-Changers Combiners comic}}

===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
The Combaticons cast aside their [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] disguises and merged into Bruticus to join in the attack on the [[United Nations]]. He clashed with both Joes and [[GIJONIN]], using the helicopter blades on his arm to mow down the ninjas. {{storylink|Expelled from the Garden}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
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[[File:TheLineBetweenUs Bruticus rampage.jpg|thumb|The [[Combiner Wars (event)|war's]] over, but better late than never.|left|upright=1.5]]
Bruticus was formed when Onslaught needed to search through the mind of a brain-dead Swindle for damaging information on [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]]. After getting the [[Enigma of Combination]] from [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]], the Combaticons merged into the gestalt but were unable to properly form a combined mind due to Swindle. The combiner almost mindlessly rampaged throughout Iacon, constantly muttering that everything must burn. Vortex reveled in the power that they wielded as Bruticus, Brawl was wallowing in pain after feeling Swindle's death, Blast Off struggled to keep them all together, and Onslaught dug through Swindle's memories. As Bruticus rampaged, [[Ironhide (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ironhide]] and his security forces were called in put him down, while [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] and [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] tried to reason with Bruticus to coax out the information they had on Starscream. Bruticus promptly backhanded Windblade out of the sky and when he was about to blast Chromia, Ironhide shot a rocket at his head, blowing it to pieces and sending the Combaticons back to their components. {{storylink|The Line Between Us}}

Wanting another combiner on his side, Starscream had the [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Eukarian]] [[Mnemosurgery|mnemosurgeon]] [[Airachnid (G1)|Airachnid]] try to manipulate the Combaticons' minds so that he would have Bruticus under control. Because the Combaticons minds had imprinted on each other during their combination, Airachnid found them more susceptible to the process, and thus had them believe that they had always been working for Starscream, using the aware-of-the-manipulation Blast Off to cover any holes in the story. As a result, the Combaticons came to believe that their forming of Bruticus had been a last-ditch attempt to save Swindle's life with Starscream's approval. {{storylink|The Price of You}}
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===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' marketing material===
[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] created Bruticus. {{storylink|Shockwave (G1)/toys#CombinerWars|Combiner Wars Shockwave toy bio}}

===''Win If You Dare''===
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Transformers: Bumblebee - Win If You Dare|Win If You Dare}}}}

===''Transformers/Ghostbusters''===
Bruticus was among the many Decepticons who unsuccessfully tried to defend Cybertron from [[Gozer]]. {{storylink|Ghosts of Cybertron Part 2}}

==Commercial appearances==
[[File:TF-G1-Commercial-Combaticon-Bruticus.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb]]
* The Combaticons formed Bruticus in order to take on [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. As his opponent changed into robot mode, Bruticus took to the skies to better avoid the citybot's weapons-fire. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Bruticus and Metroplex|Bruticus and Metroplex commercial}}
* Bruticus battled [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] in the suburbs while a small boy cheered on the Autobot. A particularly powerful blow from his opponent knocked Bruticus's arms off, but they quickly reattached themselves to that the duel could continue. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 2#Aerialbots and Combaticons|Generation 2 Aerialbots and Combaticons commercial}}
* During a massive battle between Kreons, the Combaticons combined into Bruticus. He and [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] then proceeded to send the Autobots fleeing for their tiny lives. {{storylink|Commercial#Kre-O|KRE-O Transformers Micro Changers and Combiners Construction Sets commercial}}

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==Games==
===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===
Bruticus guards the exit from the [[Glacier Zone]], floating in a dark void with three hovering platforms, and launching fireballs aimed at Autobot positions. His armor makes him invulnerable, save for a conveniently-glowing weak spot on his forehead. {{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}

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===''Transformers: The Headmasters''===
When the Decepticons captured some of the Autobots' greatest warriors, [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and Bruticus stood guard over [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] on Cybertron. They were defeated and their prisoners were rescued by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and the other freed Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|Transformers: The Headmasters}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Bruticus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
Bruticus participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. He was a Super Rare combiner that could be recruited to a team if all of his components were at max level. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[file:BruticusEarthWars.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Bruticus, Fanmode ACTIVATE!]]

To gain another Combiner, Megatron and [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] enlisted the Combaticons, despite some of their complaints. When Bruticus first successfully formed, he boasted that he beat anyone. Starscream sent him out to battle [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]] just so he could soften him up for the other 'cons to finish the job. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}

*'''Class''': Combiner
*'''Lowest Star ratings''': 3 Star
*'''Weapons''': Bruticus usually smashes things with his Fists and feet. He sometimes shoots small laser blasts out of his knuckles.
*'''Abilities:''':
**'''Earth Shatter''': Smash into the earth sending a shockwave of damage in a line towards the target area! Deals 600% more damage to Walls!
**'''Frantic Rage''': Gain 30% movement speed, 30% damage reduction, and close range Splash radius, and attack with +50% more damage for the next 10 seconds!
**'''Shockfire Missiles''' (4 star): Fire 4 rockets dealing a large amount of damage and disabling all defenses around the blast radius!

[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:bruticus Bruticus at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]
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==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}
[[File:Bruticus toy.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|"Rargh... many transform Bruticus wrong... and blame Bruticus design..."]]
*'''Bruticus''' (Multi-pack, [[1986]], [[1991]], [[2009]])
**''Takara ID number:'' '''D-69'''

:''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' Bruticus is formed from all five Combaticon toys. The four smaller Combaticons attach via sockets in Onslaught's shoulders and the bottom of his feet. Fists and feet pads attach onto the four limbs, and Bruticus is completed with a large chest plate and a helmet covering Onslaught's head. He wields Onslaught's [[sonic stun-gun]] in battle. The gun can also be stored on his backpack using two rectangular pegs which hold the gun in place via its targeting sight. As with all [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1986 (Scramble City and Transformers 2010)|Scramble City]]-style [[combiner]] teams, his limbs can be rearranged into any slot of one's choosing.

:In most markets, only the individual Combaticons were released, with the [[giftset]] only made available in Japan and Italy. The Italian box layout was based very closely on the standard Hasbro combiner giftsets at that time, down to the inclusion of a Hasbro product code number; but unlike the other [[GiG]] combiner giftsets, "Multiforce" lacked the Hasbro logo on the front of the box, and the individual components sported Takara numbers from D-64 to D-68 before their names.

:The individual Combaticons were re-released in various European markets as part of the "[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]" line in 1991, and a Bruticus giftset was reissued by [[TakaraTomy]] in Japan in 2009.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Bruticus/bruticus.htm More information on Bruticus at TFU.info]''
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===''Generation 2''===
[[File:G2bruticus.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|"Bruticus feel... pretty?"]]
*'''Onslaught''' ([[1994]])
*'''Blast Off''' (1994)
*'''Brawl''' (1994)
*'''Swindle''' (1994)
*'''Vortex''' (1994)

:During ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' in 1994, only the individual Combaticons were released. ''Generation 2'' Bruticus is a [[redeco]] of the original Bruticus toy, or more accurately, a redeco of the entire Combaticon team. Functionally, he is nearly identical to the original toy, other than being slightly enhanced by a missile launcher (the same launcher that came with Jazz and Sideswipe) and a post-hole in Onslaught's backpack which allows the launcher to be stored there.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1994/Decepticon/Bruticus/bruticus.htm More information on ''Generation 2'' Bruticus at TFU.info]''
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[[File:G2toy-BruticusAmazon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"You all laugh when Bruticus wear these colors before. WHO'S LAUGHING NOW!?"]]
*'''Bruticus''' (Multi-pack, [[2012]])
**''Accessories'': Sonic Cannon

:This version of Bruticus comes as a gift set, [[exclusive]] to [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] and [[BigBadToyStore]]. Packaged in a ''Generation 2''-styled box complete with hand-painted character art, it contains [[redeco]]es of all five ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]] [[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'' [[Combaticon (WFC)|Combaticons]] in their Generation 1 doppelgangers' ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' colors, complete with ''Generation 2'' Decepticon insignia. While Onslaught forms the torso, the remaining team members can serve as any of the four limbs, though the official configuration has Vortex as the left arm, Blast Off as the right arm, Brawl as the left leg, and Swindle as the right leg. The individual weapons the Combaticons have can be combined into a "Sonic Cannon" for Bruticus to wield via [[5 mm post|5 mm post]].

: Like the original releases of the mold, this Bruticus also possessed some balance issues. This is mostly caused by having all of the Combaticons being Deluxes, Onslaught included. Although the 4 limb Combaticons can assume either an arm or foot position, certain members fare very poorly in certain modes, such as Brawl as an arm or Blast Off as a leg, which creates further balancing problems for Bruticus.

:Preorders for the set began on [[July 6]] of 2012 via Amazon (BigBadToyStore would not put up theirs until much later), and the final product was shipped out in early/mid-November. This may be considered a tie-in to Amazon's preorder bonus for the game: a "''Generation 2''"-themed skin for Bruticus. This set was also available at normal retail in Australia.

:These molds were [[retool]]ed into ''Fall of Cybertron'' [[Ruination (FOC)|Ruination]].
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===''Universe'' (2008)===
[[File:Universe-ROTF-toy BruticusMaximus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Why Bruticus no have hands?"]]
*'''Bruticus Maximus''' ([[2008]])
**''Series:'' '''G1 Series'''

:''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Bruticus, now named "Bruticus Maximus" (presumably for [[trademark]] reasons), is a redeco of the [[Destruction Team]]/[[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]] combiner from ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]''. While [[Brawl (G1)#Universe (2008)|Brawl]] and [[Vortex (G1)#Universe (2008)|Vortex]] retain their previous modes of tank and helicopter respectively, [[Blast Off (G1)#Universe (2008)|Blast Off]] is now the combiner's second tank, and [[Swindle (G1)#Universe (2008)|Swindle]] a sand-colored helicopter. As a redeco of an ''Energon'' combiner, Bruticus Maximus feature universal connection points for the limbs, allowing many different combinations and even swapping of limbs from different ''Energon'' Combiner teams.

[[File:Tf universe 25th bruticus a.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb]]
:Like [[Superion (G1)#Universe (2008)|Superion]], Bruticus Maximus, despite being initially intended as a ''Universe'' [[Target]] [[exclusive]], was only released in ''Universe'' packaging in some non-American markets such as Australia and Singapore. Instead, Target stores (and Zellers stores in Canada) received an unchanged version of the toy in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' packaging, still named [[Bruticus Maximus (ROTF)|Bruticus Maximus]], with all the individual components retaining their names as well.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/TargetBruticusMaximus/bruticusmaximus.htm More information on Bruticus Maximus at TFU.info]''
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===''Encore''===
[[File:BruticusG1-Encore.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Bruticus''' ([[2009]])
**''ID number'': '''16'''

:In 2009, the Generation 1 set was reissued under the ''[[Transformers Encore]]'' line, using the [[retool]]ed molds from the first ''Robots in Disguise'' release with Onslaught's launcher mechanism from his original Japanese release..
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===''United''===
[[File:United Bruticus Maximus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Bruticus Maximus''' (Multi-pack, [[November 7]], 2012)

:Released exclusively in Hasbro's Asian markets, this redeco of the ''Energon'' Bruticus Maximus set has colours similar to the previous ''Universe''/''Revenge of the Fallen'' release, but with a much greater emphasis on G1-accuracy. Additionally, the hand/feet/weapons previously cast in translucent coloured plastic are now opaque grey.

:While unconfirmed, it seems likely that this release was conceived to satisfy then-high collector demand for the original ''Universe'' Bruticus Maximus set, a result of the unofficial Explorer and Munitioner upgrade kits released for the figure by "[[IP theft|third party]]" company FansProject. Of course, as unlicensed product, the kits were not acknowledged in any official marketing material for the re-released toy.
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===''Kre-O''===
[[File:KreO-Toy Bruticus.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|Bruticus feel.... Tiny?]]
*'''Decepticon Bruticus''' (Micro-Changer Combiner, 2013)
**''Set number'': '''A2225'''

:One of the first ''[[Kre-O]]'' [[Micro-Changer]] combiner sets, Bruticus includes four [[Kreon]]s: [[Onslaught (G1)#Kre-O|Onslaught]], [[Brawl (G1)#Kre-O|Brawl]], [[Vortex (G1)#Kre-O|Vortex]], and [[Swindle (G1)#Kre-O|Swindle]]. These four component Kreons can be rebuilt into their alternate modes or taken apart and combined into Bruticus.

:Like all Micro Changer combiner sets, Bruticus comes with only ''one'' Kre-O display brick, and a sticker sheet composed of his leg, arm and right shoulder details and a ''Kre-O'' logo. Due to the limb stickers being slightly transparent, applying them into the black-colored leg parts could render the details being semi-transparent. The instructions also did not mention where you should put the ''Kre-O'' logo sticker. Also, Bruticus's combined mode's waist part is somehow prone to falling off from the assembly while posing, and he has a problem standing straight due to how the legs are constructed.

:Despite Blast Off's exclusion from the set, he was later released in the first wave of blind bag figures and, with enough creativity, can be combined into Bruticus.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/Kre-OBruticus/bruticus.htm More information on Bruticus at TFU.info]''

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*'''Combiner Robot Mega Pack''' (3-pack, 2016)
**''Set number'': '''???'''
**''Pieces'': '''245'''

:3 years later, the 3 Micro-Changer combiners, Superion, Bruticus, and Menasor were reissued and released as a 3-pack. The toys were unchanged from their individual releases.

===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:CWBruticus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|OH [[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|SWEET]] [[Bruticus (WFC)#Generations|MERCIFUL]] DAY!]]
*'''[[Onslaught (G1)#Combiner Wars|Onslaught]]''' (Voyager Class, [[2016]])
*'''[[Blast Off (G1)#Combiner Wars|Decepticon Blast Off]]''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
**'''[[Blast Off (G1)#PWTSE|Decepticon Blast Off]]''' (Special Edition, 2018)
*'''[[Brawl (G1)#Combiner Wars|Brawl]]''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
*'''[[Swindle (G1)#Combiner Wars|Swindle]]''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
*'''[[Vortex (G1)#Combiner Wars|Decepticon Vortex]]''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
*'''[[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Decepticon Shockwave]]''' (Legends Class, 2016)

:''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Bruticus is formed from all five Combaticon figures and [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Shockwave]]. Designed in the "Scramble City" style, all four Deluxe Combaticons can each become either an arm or a leg, and come with double-barrelled guns that can transform into either a foot or a fist to complete the limb. The stock photography shows Blast Off and Vortex as arms and Swindle and Brawl as legs. Shockwave transforms into the combiner robot's handheld weapon, but his overall weight makes it largely impossible for him to be held by any combiner in a firing pose without falling over or pulling the arm down. Even worse, as Onslaught is retooled from [[Hot Spot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Hot Spot]], Bruticus retains [[Defensor (G1)#Generations|Defensor]]'s forward-lean problem. Unlike Defensor however, the leaning problem can be resolved by turning Bruticus's thighs inward, forcing the pelvis armor to push against Onslaught's knees and correcting his posture, although this will force Bruticus into a strange A-legged stance.

:A promotional CGI render of the combined mode has Bruticus slightly mistransformed, having Blast Off's legs facing knees forward in his arm mode, which would leave Bruticus' left arm without a double elbow. Though difficult, it is ''possible'' to arrange Vortex's rotors in a shield-like position.

:Like [[Defensor (G1)#Generations|Defensor]] before him, all four limbs were released in the same wave, making it much easier to complete a set. He is also the first "classic" combiner in the ''Combiner Wars'' series to not have a "replacement" member. However Blast Off was relegated to a simple redeco of [[Slingshot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Quickslinger]], leaving him with a different alt-mode (a jet instead of a space shuttle) and an inaccurate head. In 2018 Hasbro released a redeco of the Unite Warriors version of Blast Off ([[Bruticus (G1)#Unite Warriors|see below]]) as a more accurate replacement.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2016/Decepticon/CWBruticus/bruticus.htm More information on ''Combiner Wars'' Bruticus at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Combiner_Wars_G2_Bruticus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|TASTE THE RAINBOW MOTHERF***ER!]]
*'''Bruticus''' (Collection Pack, 2016)
**''Accessories'': Weapons/Combiner Extremities, Onslaught's two guns, Blast Off's gun, Vortex's gun, Brawl's barrel rifle, Swindle's gun, Shockwave figure

:A giftset of the <s> one metamorphin' Dudicus</s> one big, bad, battlin' Bruticus featuring redecoes of all five ''Combiner Wars'' Combaticons in their ''Generation 2'' colour schemes, plus an [[Action Master]]-inspired [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#CWG2|Shockwave]], whose color scheme is also inspired by ''Generation 2'' Onslaught's missile launcher.

:Despite having ''Generation 2''-themed colors, all of the Combaticons have Generation 1 insignias, while Shockwave comes with the movie version of the Decepticon faction symbol.

:Compared to most of the other ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' repaint sets of ''Combiner Wars'' Bruticus is very accurate to [[#Generation 2|the original deco]] (other than the incorrect faction symbols and mold issues with Swindle, Blast Off, and Onslaught)

:Bruticus also comes with a poster and a collector card based on his packaging art.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2016/Decepticon/CWG2Bruticus/bruticus.htm More information on Generation 2 ''Combiner Wars'' Bruticus at TFU.info]''
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===''Unite Warriors''===
[[File:TF-UW07-Bruticus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|So cartoon accurate his chest is based on what some people would call an animation error!]]
*'''Combatron Combined Soldier Bruticus''' (giftset, [[June 25]], [[2016]])
**''ID number:'' '''UW-07'''
**''English name:'' '''Decepticon Combaticons Combiner Bruticus'''

:The Japanese ''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' release of [[#Combiner Wars|''Combiner Wars'' Bruticus]] comes in a much more cartoon-accurate color scheme, with a recolored chest plate, and color matching hand/foot/gun pieces for [[Swindle (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Swindle]] and [[Brawl (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Brawl]]. He has a completely new mold in the form of [[Blast Off (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Blast Off]] as a space shuttle, rather than the recolored jet mold of his Hasbro release. [[Vortex (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Vortex]] also includes the more cartoon-accurate four-bladed rotor blades as opposed to the two-bladed rotors his Hasbro version carried over from the Alpha Bravo mold. Shockwave is not included with this release, as the ''Unite Warriors'' line does not utilize Legends Class molds, though you could pair Bruticus with the cycloptic scientist's [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Legends|''Legends'' release]] if you wish.
:Sadly, similar to [[Menasor_(G1)#Unite_Warriors|Menasor of the same line]], Bruticus doesn't have new weapons (unless you count those for new Blast Off). Hey! At least he can still use small guns of deluxe Combatrons even if they're "not so big".
:The giftset included a [[collector coin]] when purchased from select retailers outside Japan.
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==Notes==
[[File:G1-Combaticon-early-patent-sketches.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2]]
[[File:EuroClassicsBruticus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|First person to insert a "Don't shoot the caption" gag gets summarily banned.]]

* Much like the individual Combaticons who form him, Bruticus's [[character model]] has a couple of oddities, due to the majority of it being based on unfinished, vague patent sketches (at right) instead of actual toy references.
** Bruticus's chest plate is drawn to look like it is formed from parts of [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]]—mainly his wings, but the central portion of the chestplate is drawn to look like his shuttle cockpit hull, with the orientation of its details reversed. Certain detailed combination sequences, seen in "[[Aerial Assault]]," "[[The Revenge of Bruticus]]", and "[[B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.]]", actually show Blast Off's wings disconnecting and moving into place as the chestplate, but these sequences also misinterpret some of Bruticus's details, and wind up depicting the two wheels at the base of the chestplate, which are supposed to be part of Onslaught's torso, as being connected to the plate and hence part of Blast Off.
** While Bruticus' toy has wheels on the back of its thighs, his cartoon model only depicts this detail on his ''left'' thigh, almost certainly a product of his rear-view character model being designed without the toy for reference, like multiple other season 2 characters—not that it matters much in practise, as the odd detail is almost consistently omitted from his actual in-show appearances.
** Bruticus has two head designs in the cartoon: the detailed one seen in his full-body character model, which features in most of his animated appearances, and a simplified, more angular one that appears consistently in "[[The Revenge of Bruticus]]" and "[[Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee]]," and in select brief scenes of other episodes.
* The packaging of the 1991 [[The Transformers (European toyline)|European]] [[Classics (Europe)|Classics]] release of the original Onslaught toy depicted Bruticus and the Combaticons in (mostly) new color schemes, despite the fact that the actual toys looked identical to their original releases. While it may never be known for certain, it has been theorized that these colors were the cause of an error with the hue settings of the [[stock photography|stock photos]], rather than a legitimate attempt to [[redeco]] the Combaticons.
* Several attributes of [[Action Master Elite]] [[Turbo Master]], including his face and chest plate, suggest that he was originally intended to be Bruticus. However, according to ''[[Transformers Generations (guidebook)|Transformers Generations Deluxe]]'', at one point a non-transforming version of Action Master Bruticus was planned, which would have looked significantly different from [[Turbo Master]].
* For every version of the original Bruticus mold, the packaging art depicts the Brawl figure on backwards.
* ''Earth Wars'' Bruticus's Earth Shatter ability is most likely a reference to his [[Bruticus (WFC)|''Fall of Cybertron'' counterpart]]'s shockwave ability, given how it affects a large area and do mass amounts of damage. The same could also be said about Shockfire Missiles, during his boss fight in the final few parts of ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'', in which the cannons on his back to deal damage to the player, though in this case you can actually do it ''while'' using him.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Bruticus''' (ブルーティカス ''Burūtikasu'')
*''Italian:'' '''Multiforce''' (toy)
*''Mandarin:'' '''Bruticus''' (Taiwan, 布魯提卡斯 ''Bùlǔtíkǎsī''), '''Hùn Tiān Bào''' (Mainland China, 混天豹)
*''Portuguese:'' '''Brutus''' (Brazil comic)
*''Russian:'' '''Grubikus''' (Грубикус)
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Talk:Minerva (G1 robot)

2022-09-05T06:07:44Z

ChristalIsMe:

== Legacy toy ==

Saw pictures of a Legacy Elita rerecord as Minerva; is that a fake then? =) [[User:Shadow XGX-9|Shadow XGX-9]] ([[User talk:Shadow XGX-9|talk]]) 07:53, 28 August 2022 (EDT)
: I've seen it all over the place too, I think it's real, just not officially announced yet. Who knows tho. •[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 02:07, 5 September 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Fireblast

2022-09-05T05:30:02Z

ChristalIsMe: /* Disambiguation */ new section

Talk:Magnificence

2022-09-03T16:40:32Z

ChristalIsMe:

Uh, does two things, one of which use it as they're main names, really need a disambiguation?•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 12:40, 3 September 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Magnificence

2022-09-03T16:40:17Z

ChristalIsMe: Created page with "Uh, does two things, better of which use it as they're main names, really need a disambiguation?•~~~~"

Uh, does two things, better of which use it as they're main names, really need a disambiguation?•[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 12:40, 3 September 2022 (EDT)

Transformers: Classic Heroes Team

2022-09-02T15:20:28Z

ChristalIsMe: Helping, I think.

<div class="center">[[File:Transformers Classic Heroes Team logo.png|none|250px]]</div>
[[File:Classic Heroes Team Rescan Optimus Primal toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"All Star Rescan" [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Optimus Primal]]]]
'''''Transformers: Classic Heroes Team''''' is a [[2022]] toyline that originally began as a subline of rereleased [[Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (toyline)|''Rescue Bots Academy'']] toys in [[2021|the previous year]], but later branched into its own toyline featuring all-new molds of [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]] and ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' characters.

All toys released under ''Classic Heroes Team'' are Rescan-style toys rebranded as "All Star Rescan".

==Toys==
:{|<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Optimus Prime]] ([[package refresh]] of Rescue Bots Academy Optimus Prime)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Bumblebee]] ([[package refresh]] of Rescue Bots Academy Bumblebee)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Grimlock]]}}
*[[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Optimus Primal]]
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Megatron (drill tank)]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Megatron (crocodile)]]}}
</ul>
|}

==Notes==
*Besides [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#CHT|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys#CHT|Bumblebee]], the original ''Rescue Bots Academy'' incarnation of the line also included rereleases of [[Heatwave (RB)#CHT|Heatwave the Fire-Bot]] and [[Chase (RB)#CHT|Chase the Police-Bot]].

==See also==
*''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (toyline)|Rescue Bots]]''
*''[[Transformers: Dinobot Adventures|Dinobot Adventures]]''

{{DEFAULTSORT:Classic Heroes Team}}
[[Category:Preschool toylines]]

Talk:Fire Blast effect

2022-08-28T12:07:14Z

ChristalIsMe:

Not to suggest a buttload of potential work, but I'm kinda thinking that, at least for the very-definitely-Fire-Blast-Effects listing, a gallery like the [[energon weapon]] page's might be a good idea. Like, I wouldn't ''recommend'' all-new pics of ''just'' the effects, existing pics of the whole dang toy should suffice. Make it easy for people to find out who that random effect part belongs to. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:07, 6 July 2021 (EDT)
:Ooh! I had in my head that this was going to be mostly descriptive, with an in-line image of one of each effect, but I like the idea of, say, a gallery-based subpage! [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 18:21, 6 July 2021 (EDT)

== Disambiguation? ==

We have four things called "Fire Blast" now, shouldn't it have a disambiguation instead of listing then all at the top of each page? -[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 10:09, 20 August 2022 (EDT)
:Hello? [[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 08:07, 28 August 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Star Saber (G1)

2022-08-25T05:15:23Z

ChristalIsMe: Sorry, asked and answered.

==Untitled==
The entire fiction section need to be re-written, preferably by someone who has seen the entire VIctory series (Read: not me. I'll go ahead and move the toy stuff to the toy section. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
: OK, never mind. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm up to episode 23. I might have a go. Also, the toy picture is of Victory saber
[[User:GWolf]]

This entire article needs serious work! I mean, its just jokes at the moment with little or no content. If you're like me and don't know anything about this character, this page is going to be a serious dissapointment. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
: SAdly, there's not a whole hell of a lot TO him. He is, after all, a Japanese Good Guy Leader-Type. You can pretty much go from there... or, more accurately, stay right the hell there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
::How about his major appearances in fiction, no matter how dull? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
::: Well, yeah, obviously he DOES things that need to go in here. But, well, he's not exactly deep, character-wise. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
::::And not helped in the slightest by the fact that he's shallow even by those standards. He practically has nothing that would make him stand out except that he likes to go on about how he doesn't forgive those destron-yatsuras for endangering human-life/the beautiful earth/walking on flowers. [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] 12:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Also: Needs in-universing.

==(G1) vs. (Victory)==
When exactly did we stop using "G1" for Japanese G1 characters? Interrobang has been moving people to (KP) and (Zone) and (Victory) for days, and I don't remember that ever actually being agreed on as the standard - but I also don't necessarily keep up. That being said, I am not the only person to be confused or displeased by these moves, so whatever our standard is, it needs to be explicated a little better. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:12, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:I assumed that there was a debate I missed, and sanity lost.
:However I've also over-extended my ration of being pissy at Interrobang recently (I like him!) so I've only been objecting when the changes seem ''exceptionally'' wrong-headed.
:It's some sort of extension of the idea of the Armada/Energon/Cybertron disambigs... "consitency, characters by franchise" vs. "there was rampant name re-use in the UT, ncessitating this, and very little among the G1 franchises, so we can mostly get away with (G1)."
:It's a running debate we re-visit every year or so, with passionate opinions on each side. Consistency vs. simplicity/usability. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:18, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:[[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive34#Franchise_identifier_consistency]] - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:26, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::I only did [[Rosanna (KP)]] and [[Dai Atlas (G1)]]. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=move&user=Starfield&page= Starfield did most of the moves] based on [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Franchise_identifier_consistency|this discussion]].
::And, Derik, Jackpot already went over your UT example in the discussion linked. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:27, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::Not just UT btw. We also have this consistency for the BW franchises (not to mention BW as part of G1). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:17, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

== Name of the Brain ==

In the intro section it says the '''Brain of Courage''' disconnects from the Transtector and is called '''Saber'''. I don't think that is correct since in the notes section it says the Brain has no proper name and I thought that '''Saber''' was the name of the robot when not connected to the battle platform power up. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:59, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:No, it says the Brain ''connects'' to the Transtector, and the robot that is formed is called Saber. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:12, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks, I don't know why I read that wrong. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:14, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

== Caption of the Main Picture, "Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs!", is (Badly!) Incorrect ==

Hi, guys. I don't hang around here, but hopefully I can help. I came across this page while Googling something else, and I saw that the picture of Star Saber is labeled "Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs!", and - after researching the history - found that it has had that caption since September 2006 (proof: http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Star_Saber_%28Victory%29&diff=next&oldid=80409 ). Errrmmm...SRatSS is a separate TV show created by the "Voltron" folks at World Events Productions (as seen here: http://wep.com/SaberRider.htm ), and this WEP show has nothing to do with Transformers (unless you count the fact that Peter Cullen's voice is also in Saber Rider). You've had this caption on that picture for 4+ years, but it's incorrect so I thought I should let you know.
:On the off chance this post is legit: Thank you for your concern, but we know. It is a joke caption. We do that here.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 07:39, 5 January 2011 (EST)

== Star Saber Enban Pistol ==

Should this be in the toys section like it is currently, or in the merchandise section? [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 20:31, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'd say merchandise, but there is a longstanding unsettled disagreement amongst many editors as to the exact demarcation between toys and merchandise. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:43, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
::Is anyone going to freak out if I move it? - [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 13:59, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Go ahead, if anyone complains send them to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:14, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

== Victory Saber ==

Why is it that when I look up Victory Saber it brings me to Star Saber (G1). Are they or are they not the same character. [[user:Vectorwing|Vectorwing]] ([[User talk:Vectorwing|talk]])
: how have you not just answered your own question --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:34, 29 March 2018 (EDT)
::I'm 2 years late but Victory Saber should have his own page when you consider that [[Omega Prime|Omega Prime/God Fire Convoy]] has his own page too -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 14:04, 5 December 2021 (EST)
:::Omega Prime is not just Optimus wearing Ultra Magnus as armor. He is mentally his own new person, a combination of the two minds of Optimus and Magnus. Ergo, he gets to keep his own page. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 20:35, 5 December 2021 (EST)

Talk:Star Saber (G1)

2022-08-25T05:11:23Z

ChristalIsMe: /* Victory Saber? */ new section

Talk:Fire Blast effect

2022-08-20T14:09:11Z

ChristalIsMe: /* Disambiguation? */ new section

File talk:RBA Classic Heroes Chase.jpg

2022-08-20T06:47:30Z

ChristalIsMe: Created page with "Omg I'm sorry I forgot to rename this thing! Could an admin plz rename it "RBA_Classic_Heroes_Chase.jpg"? -~~~~"

Omg I'm sorry I forgot to rename this thing! Could an admin plz rename it "RBA_Classic_Heroes_Chase.jpg"? -[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 02:47, 20 August 2022 (EDT)

File:RBA Classic Heroes Chase.jpg

2022-08-20T06:44:39Z

ChristalIsMe:

Talk:Transformers: Classic Heroes Team

2022-08-19T16:31:01Z

ChristalIsMe: Fixing up this mess /j

I am dubious about reclassing these as G1 rather than Rescue Bots. Yes, I know the Rescue Bots name doesn't appear on the package, but "Classic Heroes Team" has in fact been used by Hasbro for RB characters see this Heatwave:

[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/product/transformers-rescue-bots-academy-classic-heroes-team-heatwave-the-fire-bot-converting-toy-4-5-inch-figure-kids-ages-3-and-up:CC54FF1C-EFFE-4E4C-92B3-A53DC88D4A7F]

for example. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:19, 7 February 2022 (EST)
:It's due to the fact that it uses the [[Evergreen]] art primarily used for G1 media.—[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 17:45, 7 February 2022 (EST)
::Yeah, I get that, but nevertheless, you have Rescue Bots redecos and RB-style new molds, under a label "Classic Heroes Team" which has already been used for Rescue Bots toys, and even the product description...

''Imagine helping the Autobots save the day! These toys are ready to take to the streets and charge to the rescue! Kids ages 3 and up can pretend there is a dangerous situation unfolding and convert the brave 4.5-inch action figure from a robot to a vehicle they can imagine racing to the scene for a courageous rescue.''

...is straight-up Rescue Bots stuff. So, like I said, I am dubious about grouping this into G1 regards of said art.--[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 20:32, 7 February 2022 (EST)
:::That just reads like generic toddler toy writeup. We have things like Buzzworthy Bumblebee and Generations that don't indicate "continuity families", so reuse of labeling for young kid toys isn't really that convincing to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:27, 7 February 2022 (EST)
::::Okay, but since CHT is somewhat like Buzzworthy about disregarding continuity families, couldn't we still consider at least Prime and Bumblebee to be their Aligned selves? They're literally the same toys from Rescue Bots being rereleased again after multiple other rereleases, just like the Heatwave toy mentioned above. It's similar to how we consider the Buzzworthy Crash Combiners to still be their RID selves even though their packaging doesn't point that out. Grimlock is a little dubious to me but I'm fine with him being either G1 or RBA, and Primal could still follow the "it's just a new kid-friendly toy of the same old character" logic and be included in the BW character page. Any thoughts? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 22:37, 7 February 2022 (EST)
:::When I said "straight-up Rescue Bots stuff" I meant "this is the same exact text used previously for Rescue Bots product descriptions, which is why it's about imaging your toys racing to do rescues and so forth." I mean to me this all reads as Rescue Bots/RBA Continued Just Without The Name, regardless of the art. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 23:19, 7 February 2022 (EST)
::::To add an additional point to my argument that these should be classed as RB rather than G1, here's an Entertainment Earth listing for them as "Transformers Rescue Bots All-Stars Rescan Wave 3" [https://www.entertainmentearth.com/product/transformers-rescue-bots-allstars-rescan-wave-3-case-of-6/hsf0719c] --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:18, 17 March 2022 (EDT)
::::: Uh, I've read this discussion before I got an account, and I thought this might be important, or it might be a different toyline. Idk, because it isn't listed anywhere on the wiki.
[[File:RBA Classic Heroes Bee.jpeg|thumb|upright=1.22]]
::::: That's all I have to say. [[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 13:50, 13 August 2022 (EDT)

So I am now reversing my earlier argued position that these guys should be classed as Rescue Bots and not G1, given the inclusion of Megatron in the line isn't very RB-ish and the distinction that can be seen between the earlier "Classic Heroes Team" toys which still carried Rescue Bots Academy branding and then the later ones which do not. This article still needs updating to reflect that "Classic Heroes Team" refers to to two things: the earlier RBA toys with the label and then the subsequent on-it's-own-in-Evergreen-land line. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 18:55, 17 August 2022 (EDT)
:K, I'll try to fix that. -[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 05:06, 18 August 2022 (EDT)
::From what I gathered, only Bumblebee and Optimus Prime were released as both RBA Classics and "Evergreen" Classics. So what I think should be done is, those two should be listed both as G1 ''and'' Aligned toys on their respective pages, as well as being included both here and on the RBA toyline page with a note explaining the situation. As Primal, Grimlock and Megatron seem to have only been released as "Evergreens", they should only be listed on this page and on their G1 toy pages. If no one opposes this, I'll be doing the edits soon enough.--[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 12:36, 18 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yea, the original RBA Classic Heroes Team was just Prime, Bee, Heatwave, and Chase. So only Prime and Bee are in both. -[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 12:55, 18 August 2022 (EDT)
::::Done.--[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 13:34, 18 August 2022 (EDT)
::::: I've fixed some of the images on the RBA toys pages, but I still need to fix Chase.-[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 12:31, 19 August 2022 (EDT)

Transformers: Classic Heroes Team

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ChristalIsMe: Maybe I should have previewed my edit lol

[[File:Classic Heroes Team Rescan Optimus Primal toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"All Star Rescan" [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Optimus Primal]]]]
'''''Transformers: Classic Heroes Team''''' is a [[2022]] toyline that originally began as a subline of rereleased [[Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (toyline)|''Rescue Bots Academy'']] toys, but later branched into its own toyline featuring all-new molds of [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]] and ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' characters.

All toys released under ''Classic Heroes Team'' are Rescan-style toys rebranded as "All Star Rescan".

==Toys==
:{|<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Optimus Prime]] (Package Refresh)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Bumblebee]] (Package Refresh)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Grimlock]]}}
*[[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Optimus Primal]]
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|}

==Notes==
*Besides [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#CHT|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys#CHT|Bumblebee]], the original ''Rescue Bots Academy'' incarnation of the line also included rereleases of [[Heatwave (RB)#CHT|Heatwave the Fire-Bot]] and [[Chase (RB)#CHT|Chase the Police-Bot]].

==See also==
*''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (toyline)|Rescue Bots Academy]]''
*''[[Transformers: Dinobot Adventures|Dinobot Adventures]]''

{{DEFAULTSORT:Classic Heroes Team}}
[[Category:Preschool toylines]]

Transformers: Classic Heroes Team

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ChristalIsMe: Grammar

[[File:Classic Heroes Team Rescan Optimus Primal toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"All Star Rescan" [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Optimus Primal]]]]
'''''Transformers: Classic Heroes Team''''' is a [[2022]] toyline that originally began as a subline of rereleased [[Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (toyline)|''Rescue Bots Academy'']] toys, but that later branched into its own toyline featuring all-new molds of [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]] and ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' characters.

All toys released under ''Classic Heroes Team'' are Rescan-style toys rebranded as "All Star Rescan".

==Toys==
:{|<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Optimus Prime]] (Package Refresh)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Bumblebee]] (Package Refresh)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Grimlock]]}}
*[[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Optimus Primal]]
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classic Heroes Team|Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|}

==Notes==
*Besides [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#CHT|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys#CHT|Bumblebee]], the original ''Rescue Bots Academy'' incarnation of the line also included rereleases of [[Heatwave (RB)#CHT|Heatwave the Fire-Bot]] and [[Chase (RB)#CHT|Chase the Police-Bot]].

==See also==
*''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (toyline)|Rescue Bots Academy]]''
*''[[Transformers: Dinobot Adventures|Dinobot Adventures]]''

{{DEFAULTSORT:Classic Heroes Team}}
[[Category:Preschool toylines]]

Heatwave (RB)

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ChristalIsMe: Adding image.

{{factions|autobot|rescuebot}}
{{disambigm|Heatwave (disambiguation)|Thunder (disambiguation)}}
:''Heatwave the Fire-Bot is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (franchise)|Rescue Bots]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:HeatwaveTheFireBot_poster.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Note: Toy may look nothing like TV show character.]]

The team leader of the [[Rescue Bot]]s, '''Heatwave''' was given his position because of how deeply he cares for his team and their mission. However, he is a bot of action at heart who dreams of one day joining [[Team Prime]], and sometimes has little patience for anything he sees as getting in the way of his mission, including staying in disguise as non-sentient vehicles and working with [[human]] partners.

When he goes into action, though, no blaze is too strong for his armor. With built-in water cannons, a rescue hook, and a fireman's axe, he's well prepared to take on the most stubborn fires and most intense rescue missions. He partners with the other Rescue Bots and with their newest human teammates, [[Kade Burns|Kade]] and [[Cody Burns]], though he and Kade are frequently at odds as their egos clash.

==Fiction==
===Storybooks===
[[File:PrimeAlert Heatwave rolls out.jpg|thumb|left|260px|]]
Heatwave was the leader of the Rescue Bot team on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. They received a message from [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] to join him on [[Earth]], and immediately hopped in their spaceship. On arrival on the new planet, Optimus gave him a new alternate mode, a fire truck, and they headed for [[Griffin Rock]]. [[Blades (RB)|Blades]] accidentally chopped down a tree with his rotors, requiring some quick work by the rest of the team to prevent more damage. They finally reached their destination, where Optimus introduced them to [[Charlie Burns|Chief Charlie]]. {{storylink|Rescue Bots Roll Out}} Heatwave's first mission was to go to the [[Fire Safety Training Center]] for training, and there he rescued a cat and extinguished a fire. He soon after received an emergency alert from [[Fire Station Prime|Prime Fire Station]], and rushed back across town to find the station on fire. After rescuing Chief Charlie and [[Cody Burns]], he and Cody became partners, and were assigned the important task of giving [[Sparkplug (RB)|Sparkplug]] a bath. {{storylink|Prime Alert}}

After the team at the station were joined by Blades, the two Rescue Bots and Cody headed out to another emergency, however Blades's radio was damaged, making it difficult for Heatwave to give him orders. While Heatwave battled the forest fire, Blades accidentally fanned the fire with his rotors until Heatwave and Cody were able to shoo him away. Blades discovered where his partner and the other endangered humans were, and led Heatwave to them. Heatwave and Cody were able to finish putting out the fire, and returned to Prime Fire Station covered in soot. {{storylink|Rescue Bots Respond}} [[Chase (RB)|Chase]] and [[Boulder]] later arrived at the station to complete the team, and Heatwave and Blades were there to welcome them. {{storylink|Rapid Rescue}}
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===''Rescue Bots'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Steve Blum]] (English), [[Jason Marsden]] (English, "[[Switcheroo]]")|[[Mikael Eklund]] (Finnish), [[Nicolas Matthys]] (French), [[Erich Räuker]] (German), [[Csaba Tokaji]] (Hungarian), [[Lorenzo Scattorin]] (Italian), [[Robert Jarociński]] (Polish), [[Humberto Solórzano]] (Latin American-Spanish, first voice), [[Raúl Solo]] (Latin-American Spanish, second voice), [[Iñaki Baliño]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Ramon Campos (voice actor)|Ramon Campos]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}
[[File:UnfinishedBusiness protoHeatwave.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Rock Em' Sock Em' Rescue Bot.]]
On Cybertron, Heatwave was a three time [[Cybertronian sport#Lobbing|Lobbing]] champion. {{storylink|Road Trip}}

Heatwave and his team were finishing a routine patrol in space when they received a distress call. Investigating, they found they'd been marked as lunch by an [[Energon eater]], and had to put themselves in stasis and power down their ship to escape it. {{storylink|Unfinished Business}} Sometime later, the ''[[Sigma]]'' received a transmission from [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] and landed on [[Earth]]. After dropping the bombshell that [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was no more, Optimus appointed Heatwave team leader and assigned them to [[Griffin Rock]] to work with the Burns family. The four Rescue Bots were presented to the public by [[Charlie Burns|Chief Burns]] at a ceremony, following which Heatwave and his new partner, [[Kade Burns]], drove to the [[Griffin Rock natural history museum|museum]] to attend to a fire. Heatwave was disgruntled when Kade took the credit for his saving Chief Burns and [[Graham Burns|Graham]] from a falling dinosaur statue head. That night, [[Cody Burns]] discovered the Rescue Bots' secret, and after they helped stop a rogue robot ''Tyrannosaurus rex'', Chief Burns revealed the truth to the rest of the team. {{storylink|Family of Heroes}}

[[Image:FamilyOfHeroes Heatwave roll to the rescue.jpg|thumb|left|350px|My head looks nothing like my toy, that's how much of a rebel I am!]]
Heatwave and Kade continued having trouble working together, with Kade even preferring to drive a non-transforming firetruck. After [[Mount Magma]] started spewing lava and threatening the island, the pair were forced to work together, driving through a tunnel under the island to stop the lava from reaching the bunker under the fire station. {{storylink|Under Pressure}} Following the rescue of [[Ezra Greene|Doc Greene]], Heatwave felt under-appreciated by the humans. He was amused when [[Dani Burns|Dani]] fitted a scoop claw to [[Blades (RB)|Blades]], but less so when the pair started upstaging the other Rescue Bots at rescues, and even threatened to forcibly remove the device from his comrade. Heatwave and the other Rescue Bots came to Blades's rescue when he was struck by lightning and unable to fly, after which Dani sent some appreciation their way and Blades promised not to use the claw as much. {{storylink|Hotshots}}

[[Image:FlobstersOnParade Heatwave with children.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Urge to kill...rising...]]
After another rescue of Doc Greene, Heatwave was still disgruntled and refused to take part in the [[Lobster and Technology Festival]], instead staying back at the fire station to watch it on TV. When the town was attacked by [[flobster]]s, he ventured out to help the other Rescue Bots fight the flying critters, resulting in him later having to endure being climbed on by children. {{storylink|Flobsters on Parade}} Following the rescue of a truck of hazardous materials, Heatwave and the other Rescue Bots were subjected to a screening of ''[[The Natives of Tatooie]]'', which accidentally resulted in [[Huxley Prescott]] causing a mass panic by reporting an alien invasion. The Rescue Bots had to destroy Prescott's [[SETI]] dish to save the island. {{storylink|The Alien Invasion of Griffin Rock}}

Heatwave's attempt to stop [[Harrison (RB)|Mr. Harrison]]'s heli-pack ride with water only resulted in an umbrella shop being flooded. When [[Boulder]] was taken over by nanites, Heatwave threatened to physically intervene, though Blades suspected Boulder would come out on top in that match-up. {{storylink|Cody on Patrol}}

Called out about a cat in a tree, Heatwave saved [[Neederlander|Mrs. Neederlander]] when she fell out of a tree, and was rewarded with a slap in the face. The next day, he helped hunt a [[Whiskers|lion]] and return a bunch of lemurs to the [[Griffin Rock Zoo|zoo]]. {{storylink|Walk on the Wild Side}} When a rescue went wrong, Heatwave managed to fish Kade and [[Don|another human]] out of a river using his fire hose. Cody roped the Rescue Bots, including "Uncle Heatwave", into helping him look after a [[Robo-Baby]]. The Robo-Baby seemed to like Heatwave best of all. After the baby went missing during a call-out, the bots had to rescue it from a wind farm. Heatwave caught it in mid-air after it fell from a windmill. {{storylink|Four Bots and a Baby}}

[[Image:DeepTrouble Heatwave jumps shark.jpg|thumb|left|290px|"Just keep swimming...just keep swimming..."]]
During a heatwave, Heatwave did not appreciate being used as a sprinkler. When a weather machine went out of control, he and the other Rescue Bots had to spring into action attending snow-related emergencies around town. {{storylink|Christmas in July}} Heatwave and the other Rescue Bots were invited on the Burns' annual fishing trip on the ''[[Darby Ava]]''. Heatwave didn't really get the whole fishing thing until they encountered a [[shark submarine|mechanical shark]] and he got to wrestle it. He, [[Chase (RB)|Chase]] and Boulder eventually managed to disable the sub, though it self-destructed soon after. {{storylink|Deep Trouble (RB)|Deep Trouble}}

The Rescue Bots had to help stop out-of-control technology one foggy day, when the Griffin Rock mainframe was hacked into. Heatwave had to rescue the mayor from the town hall when a garbage truck trapped him inside. {{storylink|Return of the Dino Bot}} When [[Doctor Morocco]] turned up with his [[MorBot]] and threatened to overshadow the Rescue Bots, the team was forced to compete with the doctor's invention to prove themselves worthy. Thanks to Morocco's machinations, they failed and were stood down from service. Heatwave was particularly angry at the loss. {{storylink|The Other Doctor}} Accepting defeat, he attempted to make contact with Optimus Prime to get reassigned and considered getting their ship working again. After being called out to a fire at the lab, the Rescue Bots got the chance to exact some payback on the MorBot. The team was subsequently reinstated as Griffin Rock's rescue service. {{storylink|The Reign of Morocco}}

[[Image:SmallBlessings Kade rescues Hayley.jpg|thumb|right|260px|Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.]]
After helping Kade rescue [[Hayley]], a girl Kade was interested in, Heatwave was annoyed by Kade blowing him off to go on a date. When he and the rest of the team turned up to a break-in at the [[Hall of Inspiration]], Heatwave was forced to protect Kade and as a result was shrunk to the size of an ant by the [[Minimizer]]. He was joined by the similarly shrunken Boulder and Blades, and the trio ended up in the sewer. After braving huge rats and a torrent of water, they made it to the [[Griffin Rock dam]], where they rescued Kade and alerted the rest of the team to the fact that the dam was near bursting. Cody later used the Minimizer to return them to their normal sizes. {{storylink|Small Blessings}} Heatwave helped save [[Wild (RB)|Captain Wild]]'s ship and found "tunnel 15" in the tunnels below Griffin Rock. This led the team to discover [[Anna Baranova|Professor Baranova]]'s ''[[Midgard]]'' at the bottom of an ocean trench, and they helped her seal the methane vent causing the [[Griffin Rock Triangle]]. {{storylink|The Griffin Rock Triangle}}

After the daring rescue of Huxley Prescott by the four bots, Chief left them with Kade in charge, however when they got an apparent SOS from Cody and Kade was unable to be contacted, Heatwave made the decision to disobey the Chief's orders and venture into [[Griffin Crest]]. He, Blades and Boulder were subsequently caught by the [[Electromagnetic pulse|EMP]] field there and immobilized on top of [[Old Parker]], necessitating a rescue by Chase and the human half of the team. He was forced to concede that sticking to the rules sometimes worked. {{storylink|Rules and Regulations}} Heatwave and the other three Bots were washed out to sea with Cody and ended up on an inhabited island. Their attempts to build him shelter and gather food were less than successful, but they did manage to find traces of the ''[[Oaken Crow]]'', which led to them finding the ship and getting off the island. {{storylink|The Lost Bell}}

[[Image:YouveBeenSquilshed Heatwave wields telephone pole.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Heatwave doesn't just throw javelins, he throws ''electrified'' javelins!]]
Chasing a crashed meteorite on [[Wayward Island]], the team ran into [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]. Heatwave, Boulder and Chase checked out the meteorite and were unwittingly exposed to an alien virus. They slowly lost the ability to move or speak, and it was only through the work of Bumblebee, Blades and the humans that a cure was found. {{storylink|Bumblebee to the Rescue (RB)|Bumblebee to the Rescue}} Heatwave and the team were called out to deal with a giant rampaging blob of space slime. He was particularly incensed when it ate Chase, and though his water didn't help stop the blob, he found zapping it with electricity did, and the discovery ultimately led to the [[Squilsh]]'s defeat. {{storylink|You've Been Squilshed}}

After most of the town disappeared, Heatwave and the other Bots found themselves fighting small mechanical bugs. He took Cody, [[Frankie Greene|Frankie]] and Kade to the lab so they could check the information on the computer there, but after all three of them vanished as well, it was up to Heatwave and his team to work out where the humans had been teleported to. After locating the cavern in question, they were able to rescue the townsfolk. {{storylink|Countdown (RB)|Countdown}} When Griffin Rock was infested by what appeared to be ghosts, Heatwave was mostly just frustrated that he couldn't hit them. When they turned out to just be holograms, he took great delight in catching the perpetrators by hosing them down to work out which were the real humans. {{storylink|The Haunting of Griffin Rock}}

[[Image:ShakeUp Heatwave protects Frankie.jpg|thumb|right|280px|If he slips and falls, Heatwave'd have a ''looot'' of explaining to do about the red stain on his windscreen.]]
When Kade challenged Graham to a race, Heatwave did the driving and ended up demolishing a fire hydrant. After Chase and the Chief went missing, Heatwave and the others searched all night for them, eventually tracking them down to the lead mine where the team had to rescue them. {{storylink|Little White Lies}} Heatwave was annoyed when Kade ordered the Bots to take part in Frankie's film for school. The Bots soon had problems attending to an earthquake and acting like robots at the same time, but when Frankie followed them into the tunnels under the town, Heatwave had to come rescue her from a cave-in. In the process of doing so, he had to drop his cover, but she was passed out and didn't notice. {{storylink|Shake Up}} After Heatwave took part in a rescue at a pyrotechnics factory, Cody got a [[repulsor badge]] that gave him superhero powers. The Bots ended up being relegated to cleanup, at least until the badge overloaded and they had to rescue Cody from a bubble of energy. {{storylink|Rescue Boy}}

Heatwave was roped into taking part in a photo op with Kade. When the four bots attended the testing of a [[Temporal Station|time machine]], he sheltered Cody and Frankie, and thus when the four Bots were propelled back in time to [[1939]], so were the kids. Heatwave had the rest of his team keep up the pretense of being robots, and they were subjected to a number of tests before Morocco pinned them to a wall and prepared to dissect them. Luckily Optimus and Bumblebee came to their rescue, and the team returned to the present, only to find that Morocco was in control of Griffin Rock. {{storylink|It's a Bot Time}} They soon established that leaving [[Dither]] in the past was a mistake. After an encounter with an alternate version of the Burns family, the Rescue Bots returned to 1939 and retrieved Dither, returning the timeline to normal. {{storylink|Bot to the Future}}

[[File:RoadTrip Heatwave vs bear.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Man, those Junior Woodchuck roaring lessons came in real handy!]]
Heatwave soon learned to drive the newly-acquired [[Mobile Headquarters]], using it to stop a speeding driver. An incident with Doc Greene's [[Vacuum Accelerator]] resulted in the Mobile HQ and three of the Rescue Bots being teleported around the island. After a stop atop [[Mount Griffin]], Heatwave threw the device away, only to find they needed it to rescue Kade from the forest. {{storylink|Road Trip}} The Rescue Bots helped construct Frankie Greene's [[Sky Forest (structure)|Sky Forest]], only to have to rescue the town's citizens when the plant life grew out of control. {{storylink|Sky Forest (episode)|Sky Forest}} When Chief Burns was ill, Heatwave had to contend with Kade appointing himself head honcho, and Cody being accidentally aged into an adult in a lab experiment. He helped track down Evan and Myles, and was amused when Kade was temporarily de-aged into a child by the equipment they'd stolen. {{storylink|One for the Ages}}

When an iceberg was discovered that was actually a frozen [[S.S. Isolde|ship]] carrying a dangerous [[Sub-Zero Expander]], Heatwave took part in an attempt to get rid of the device by blowing it up, which was aborted when it turned out Doctor Morocco had claimed the vessel as salvage. The team had to deal with the fallout when the device exploded and froze a five-mile section of ocean. {{storylink|Tip of the Iceberg}} After the Bots saved a skier when a huge snow storm hit Griffin Rock, Heatwave scolded Blades for not helping him evade an avalanche. When Blades and Cody got trapped in ''[[Griffin Rock Element Quest]]'', a new virtual reality game in the Hall of Inspiration, Heatwave made sure the power didn't go out by holding two electrical lines together, which caused him to be temporarily dazed after being electrocuted. He later entered the game himself and was surprised to see that Blades was protecting Cody very well. He helped the two defeat the game and was teleported out. Heatwave later commended Blades for his courage. {{storylink|A Virtual Disaster}}

[[File:BlameTheGremlins Heatwave tells off Kade.jpg|thumb|right|250px|If one of you fed those things after midnight, we're ''gonna have a bad time!'']]
Heatwave was confused and irritated by Kade ignoring emergency calls about fires, until he was hypnotized by one of the cellphones which were bringing the island's inhabitants under their control. Heatwave was forced to dig up [[Blossom Vale]] until the cell tower was destroyed. {{storylink|Spellbound}} Huxley Prescott roped the rescue team into taking part in a reality show, but started manufacturing his emergencies to make the show more exciting. As a result, Heatwave ran out of water to fight a forest fire, and had to use maple syrup instead. {{storylink|Prescott's Bots}} When Kade's nightmares about [[gremlin]]s started affecting his work, Heatwave told him to deal with them. Unfortunately this ended with the team having to face a horde of [[gremlin]]s, conjured from Kade's nightmares by Doc Greene's [[Nightmare Imaging Device]]. {{storylink|Blame the Gremlins}}

When a monster was spotted during a star-gazing expedition with Cody, Heatwave was doused with skunk smell. He and the other Rescue Bots helped Cody hunt for the beast, resulting in an encounter with it at an old cannery. It transpired that the "Magic Meat" that [[H.B. Luskey|Mayor Luskey]] had been selling was [[Fo-Foo]], an experimental food with lycanthropic side effects, and the team had to track down Luskey and Graham who were both infected. {{storylink|Feed the Beast}}

[[File:SpaceBots Heatwave flying in space.jpg|thumb|left|280px|Y'know, that scene in WALL-E was so much more ''effective'' with a partner.]]
During a visit by [[Woodrow Burns]], Heatwave realized a photo he'd taken of a cavern showed [[energon]], and alerted Optimus. Once Optimus arrived to help mine the energon, the mission instead turned into a rescue, as Woodrow and Cody had become trapped in a cavern deep underground. {{storylink|What Lies Below}} Separated from the rest of the team, Optimus and Heatwave discovered the main shaft of Mount Magma, and nearby, a sizable deposit of energon. When they were later reunited with the rest of the team, they were able to ignite the energon in a plan to blast themselves out of the top of the volcano. Optimus later farewelled the Rescue Bots, informing Heatwave that he should prepare for greater responsibility some time soon. {{storylink|What Rises Above}}

Following the launch of the ''[[Asgard]]'' and its collision with an asteroid, Heatwave and the team had to intercept debris falling on the town. The Rescue Bots fired up their spaceship and went up to rescue the crew of the ''Asgard'', with Heatwave himself jumping over to the space elevator and retrieving Doc Greene and Graham. {{storylink|Space Bots}} When the team had to deal with a [[mechanical bull]], they discovered it was made hostile by Heatwave's red color scheme. They managed to get it to the laboratory where Cody was accidentally sent with it to the [[Island of Misfit Tech]]. Heatwave volunteered to travel there, but quickly lost his recall tag and ended up fighting metal-eating insects until Cody came to the rescue with the help of the mechanical bull. Joined by Kade, the trio were able to return to Griffin Rock in time to help deal with a Scrapmaster. {{storylink|The Island of Misfit Tech}}

[[File:BuddySystem Heatwave and snake.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Alright, who's the wiseguy who tried to replace my hose with a live snake?!]]
The town's new central computer [[Vigil]] was unable to control the four Rescue Bots, so when it attempted to take control of Griffin Rock, the Bots were able to get the rest of the team into its vault to stop it. {{storylink|The Vigilant Town}} Heatwave and the other Rescue Bots went along on a nature hike, however when the hike was interrupted by a snake infestation in town, Heatwave was forced to put up with Kade and Dani bickering and discovered he had a particular dislike of snakes. {{storylink|Buddy System}} Heatwave, Blades and Boulder accompanied Graham and Cody to Wayward Island, where they discovered a lodestone super-magnet that was causing metal objects to be pulled towards it all the way from Griffin Rock. {{storylink|In Search of the Griffin's Nest}}

[[File:Changes Heatwave as boat.jpg|thumb|left|320px|Sooo, does this make me a Triple-Changer?]]
When Chase appeared to join Evan and Myles during a crime spree by the pair, Heatwave believed that he'd switched sides. It later turned out Chase had merely gone undercover to learn the pair's plan, though as Heatwave later pointed out, he should have let them know. {{storylink|Bots and Robbers}} Following the rescue of a dog, Heatwave was confused by the concept of dog ownership, until [[Noble (RB)|Noble]] turned out to be a capable rescuer who joined the Rescue Bots in their work. {{storylink|Rescue Dog}} Called to the mainland by Optimus Prime, Heatwave received additional training, allowing him to focus his energies in preparation to take on a third mode. As he and Kade headed back to Griffin Rock, he ended up scanning a sunken fire boat in order to come to the aid of the rest of the team. {{storylink|Changes}}

After a sea rescue Heatwave took part in resulted in everyone's midwinter holiday presents sinking to the bottom of the ocean, Heatwave and the rest of the team took on the mantle of the [[Rider of Midwinter]] and delivered loaves of bread to the townsfolk. {{storylink|The Riders of Midwinter}} When a [[Power Planter]] was struck by lightning and ran wild, the team was forced to respond to a number of emergencies caused by it. They eventually succeeded in luring it into a trap using [[Boil Coil]]s and Heatwave tricked it into driving off a cliff. {{storylink|Movers and Shakers}} During Chief Burns's absence from the island, the team found itself under Woodrow's leadership. {{storylink|Chief Woodrow}}

While the other Rescue Bots prepared for Bumblebee's visit, Heatwave utilized his new boat mode to help Cody and Frankie test Doc Greene's new [[Ski-neakers]], and rescued the pair when a wave threatened them. Bumblebee turned out to be on the hunt for a relic, and Heatwave helped in the search. Afterwards he and Kade helped rescue people when a right whale sank the ferry. {{storylink|Odd Bot Out}} The rescue team was roped into completing a rail tunnel to the mainland, mainly because Mayor Luskey regarded the Bots as heavy machinery. When the [[Griffin Rock Express]] went out of control, the Bots had to rescue everyone on board, with the help of Frankie and her phasing technology. {{storylink|The Griffin Rock Express}}

[[File:OddBotOut Heatwave rescues Chase.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Heatwave's attempt at wearing a feather boa didn't quite go as planned.]]
Following a game of [[Rescue Ball]] which was interrupted by an impromptu rescue, Chase and the others found that Blades was acting strangely. They discovered why when they were abducted by Dr. Morocco and replaced by duplicates as Blades had been earlier. Morocco erased their memories and convinced them he had been appointed their Earth liaison by Optimus Prime. The Rescue Bots were promptly sent on a mission to mine gold under Griffin Rock, which barely got started before they trigged a methane explosion, and were confronted by the "criminal" Burns family. {{storylink|Double Villainy}}

The suspicious Bots were taken back to the fire house, where the evidence soon convinced them that the Burns family was on their side and they'd been misled by Morocco. Unfortunately the methane explosion cause the island to begin to sink, and given the choice between helping out or regaining their memories, the Bots chose the former option, though at least Heatwave was restored to his position as team leader. With the help of some tech from Doc Greene, the team was able to raise the island once again, and Morocco was forced to restore their memories. {{storylink|Rise of the Heroes}}

During a routine inspection by Optimus, Heatwave led his team to Wayward Island to investigate a pterodactyl appearance. The Rescue Bots found a group of dinosaurs which chased them into a tar pit, and they had to be rescued by Optimus Prime. Once they established what the dinosaurs were upset about, the team was able to get them to return to the underground cavern they'd come from. {{storylink|Land Before Prime (episode)|Land Before Prime}} When Optimus was abducted by big game hunter [[Quint Quarry]], Heatwave, Chase and Blades headed to Quarry's island to mount a rescue. The hunter managed to trap them in a cage and was about to take them off the island in his heli-jet when Optimus and Boulder came to their aid. {{storylink|Big Game}}

[[File:TooManyKades Heatwave buffs himself.jpg|thumb|left|260px|Where's [[Breakdown (WFC)|Breakdown]] when you need him?]]
Kade's obnoxious behavior led Heatwave to "accidentally" soak him while the team was rounding up clones of Mister Pettypaws created by the Imaging Device. Shortly thereafter another test of the device resulted int the creation of four more Kades, and Heatwave was amused when the Kades argued amongst themselves, though not so much when their squabbling almost caused an accident. The Kades later saved Heatwave and the rest of the team from a gas leak. {{storylink|Too Many Kades}} The team was sent ten years forward in time when they boarded the ''[[S.S. Phantom Voyager]]'', however Boulder and Graham were able to reverse the time machine stored in the ship's hold, returning them to present day. {{storylink|Phantom of the Sea}}

Heatwave related the story of the Energon eater to Cody one story night. Following a flooding disaster, Heatwave allowed Chase and Boulder to go into space to attempt to help the stricken ship that had sent out the original distress call, and had to attempt to cover for the pair in their absence. {{storylink|Unfinished Business}} After the town was sealed inside an energy dome by Vigil, Heatwave and the others pursued the AI to try to beat it to the dome controls in the lab, but both Heatwave and Boulder ended up stuck under old cars in the scrapyard. {{storylink|No Place Like Dome}}

[[File:BotTasticVoyage Heatwave sits on sofa.jpg|thumb|right|280px|...Where's the remote?]]
In addition to helping Graham with his love life, Heatwave and the rest of the team had to deal with mutant metal-eating army ants courtesy of Doctor Morocco. {{storylink|Bugs in the System}} During a trip on the space elevator Asgard, Heatwave switched bodies with Kade, allowing him to experience the delights of toothaches and human dentistry. He was very relieved when they got switched back. {{storylink|Switcheroo}} When Kade accidentally ingested [[scrubmite]]s, Heatwave and the rest of the team were shrunk to microscopic size and flew the ''Sigma'' into his body to deal with the critters. Heatwave had fun roping the mites, but when they were forced to strap them to the hull of the ship, he had to prevent them escaping before the ship could leave Kade's body. {{storylink|Bot-Tastic Voyage}}

Following Professor Baranova's abduction at the hands of Colonel Quarry, Heatwave scanned a ''Brachiosaurus'' alternate mode so that he and the others, including Optimus, could masquerade as the Dino-bots Quarry wanted Doc Greene to build. They were taken to an island by Quarry and put through their paces, before he took them to a boat so he could ship them off to be sold. Luckily Blades, who'd been having trouble with his alternate mode, was able to rescue them and Quarry was arrested. {{Storylink|Quarry's Quarry}} The team visited Wayward Island to search for an energon trace. They found only a caveman frozen in ice, who turned out to be still alive once he was thawed back in Griffin Rock. While the others helped "[[Ira]]" acclimate, Heatwave and Blades returned to Wayward Island and found cave paintings depicting Autobots in the caveman's era. {{storylink|Did You See What I Thaw?}}

[[File:AttackOfHumungado Dino Heatwave.jpg|thumb|left|250px|No, Heatwave, that's what a ''llama'' does! You're a ''Brontosaurus''!]]
When Doc Greene's new projector was used to screen ''[[Humungado|Attack of Humungado]]'', Heatwave ended up using his dinosaur mode to help combat Humungado and his rival Rayvenous when it turned out the projector made them more realistic then Doc had planned...by bringing the two kaiju into the real world. {{storylink|The Attack of Humungado}} The mayor decided to honor the rescue team by holding [[Bot Appreciation Week]]; however, a clash in schedules resulted in the Burns family being off the island for the start. The Rescue Bots found they had to contend with the souvenir versions of themselves running amok thanks to Evan and Myles reprogramming them. {{storylink|All Bots Great and Small}}

When Cody began experiencing repeated time, his foreknowledge allowed the rescue team to prevent a number of disasters and mishaps during the dedication of the town's new clock tower. {{storylink|Time After Time}} When the mayor accidentally set fire to Founders' Day, Heatwave and Kade put it out, but the indignant mayor suspended the team on account of the fact that the Burns family was descended from a pirate. A series of clues led the team to find the treasure and they were able to persuade the mayor to reinstate them. {{storylink|Pirates Ahoy}}

After being rescued from a whirlpool by [[High Tide]], Heatwave found himself and his team placed under the new Autobot's command for some water training. Chafing under High Tide's command, Heatwave eventually snapped and quit the training, but later led the operation to secure an oil spill. After the successful securing of the spill, High Tide accepted he'd been too harsh on the Rescue Bots. {{storylink|Turning the Tide}} During a visit by the time traveler [[Jules Verne]], Heatwave helped apprehend Dr. Morocco. He was surprised to learn that Verne had met him on another occasion which hadn't yet happened for Heatwave. {{storylink|The Last of Morocco}}

[[File:RescueBotsAcademy Heatwave shouts at Blurr.jpg|thumb|right|280px|"One o' these days, Blurr, one o' these days: ''POW!!'' Straight to Cybertron!"]]
After the Rescue Bots found [[Salvage (RB)|Salvage]] and [[Blurr (Prime)|Blurr]] on Wayward Island, Optimus assigned the pair to be trained by Heatwave's team. Heatwave was unimpressed with the brash Blurr beating him in a race by cheating, and bungling a rescue, and even less so when it turned out Blurr had been lying about his past, but Optimus convinced him to give Blurr another chance. {{storylink|The New Recruits}} Heatwave grew ever more frustrated with Blurr's lack of progress, especially when Blurr botched a rescue and then took a joyride through town and almost exposed the Rescue Bots' secret, leading Heatwave to tell Chief he was going to contact Optimus to get rid of Blurr. {{storylink|Rescue Bots Academy (episode)|Rescue Bots Academy}} He was even less impressed when Blurr stole the ''Sigma'', leaving the rescue team with a big problem when a solar flare knocked out the town's power. After Blurr saved the town from a falling satellite, Heatwave was more disposed to giving him another chance, though Optimus reassigned Blurr and Salvage elsewhere anyway. {{storylink|A New Hero}}

When Servo appeared to be causing damage around town, Heatwave conceded that they might need to send the dog back to High Tide, however it turned out Servo had actually been helping people, and Heatwave changed his mind. {{storylink|Four-Legged Hero}} Heatwave opted out of guard duties when Boulder found a family of endangered woodpeckers. He was proven right when the Rescue Bots activities resulted in the town finding out about the birds and damaging their habitat. {{storylink|Endangered Species}}

After Chase was put in charge of dispatch due to an injury, Heatwave was unimpressed with him raising several false alarms. Once Chase solved a mystery and saved [[Maura the Magnificent]] from going over [[Griffin Falls]], Heatwave declared him fit for duty again. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye (RB)|More than Meets the Eye}} When Doc Greene's [[Tone-O-Tuner]] caused everyone in town to sing instead of talk, Heatwave refused to say anything until there was an emergency at the town hall. To his relief, they found and shut down the Tone-O-Tuner. {{storylink|I Have Heard the Robots Singing}}

Heatwave continued to grow discontent that the people they saved thought they were mere robots. He and the other Rescue Bots took part in the opening of a time capsule, during which a quantum crystal mishap resulted in the entire island being teleported to the [[Arctic]]. The four Bots had to deice the generators so that the island's dome could be raised. {{storylink|Now and Then}} Heatwave had to rescue Blades and Dani after they made an attempt to go for help. As the team enacted a plan to fill the dome with floatium and fly the island back, the Rescue Bots had their work cut out keeping people safe. The journey continued, but the Rescue Bots were forced to use their own energon to power the dome. They successfully reached Griffin Rock's old location, and after some medical attention, the Rescue Bots recovered. Optimus then gave them a new mission: to let the rest of the town in on their secret. {{storylink|Today and Forever}}

[[File:NewNormal keeping Kade for later.jpg|thumb|left|400px|Heatwave finds the Velgrox's fetish disturbing.]]
Three years on, Heatwave had still not let the team reveal themselves out of worry that the townsfolk would react badly. He finally succeeded in contacting Optimus and received orders to build a new mainland base, though the fact that they would need to work with the humans still didn't change his mind. Finally an invasion by the [[Velgrox]] forced his hand. {{storylink|New Normal}} He quickly became discontent with the new attention he and the others were receiving, opting to test the new [[GroundBridge]] rather than prepare for a town meeting. After accidentally ending up in the [[Sahara]], he and the rest of the team fronted up to the townfolk, who voted to keep their secret. {{storylink|Bridge Building}}

An attempt at racing with Blades resulted in Heatwave accidentally demolishing [[Cullen|Mr. Cullen]]'s rocket. As a result Heatwave decided the team would focus on their duties rather than pursuing their own pastimes. Another GroundBridge accident sent him and Chase to the mainland, and resulted in them bringing a car back to the island who later turned out to be the Rescue Bot [[Quickshadow]]. {{storylink|Arrivals}} Irritated by Quickshadow lecturing them and defeating him in a sparring match, Heatwave placed her in charge of an operation to move [[Phodolite]] through town. The mission hit a snag when the Heatwave lost part of the load, resulting in the team having to use Chase's plan B when Quickshadow didn't have one. {{storylink|Plus One (RB)|Plus One}}

[[File:VanishingReturns digital Heatwave.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Heatwave Icarus?]]
Following a mishap in which the town pool froze over, the team visited the [[Griffin Rock Fun Zone|Fun Zone]] where Heatwave joined Chief, Cody and Frankie in a round of ''Element Quest'', only to discover it had been invaded by the [[Morocco virus]]. {{storylink|Back to Virtual Reality}} When investors were looking at redeveloping the island, the Rescue Bots used Velgrox technology to make themselves invisible and pretend to be ghosts to scare them off. {{storylink|Vanishing Returns}}

The team took part in [[Halloween|Earliween]] celebrations, and also came up with a plan to foil Evan and Myles when the pair tried to carnap Quickshadow. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (RB)|Ghost in the Machine}} When Whiskers was abducted from the zoo, the Rescue Bots used their dino modes as bait to lure big game hunter [[Thurston Chumley|Lord Chumley]]. Though they themselves were captured, they made the most of their situation, both finding Whiskers and bringing the rest of the team to help arrest Chumley. {{storylink|Enemy of My Enemy (RB)|Enemy of My Enemy}} When the opportunity came up, Heatwave was in favor of Chase running for mayor to prove that the Bots were equal in the community to humans. He soon changed his mind after Chase actually took office and the changes he made interfered with the Rescue Team doing their job. {{storylink|Mayor May Not}}

[[File:PartTimeHeroes Heatwave traffic duty.jpg|thumb|left|290px|Heatwave discovers the worst part of being a public official on Earth; ''traffic duty''.]]
When Boulder wanted to celebrate [[All Spark Day (event)|All Spark Day]], Heatwave believe they should stick to the holidays celebrated in their new home. After dealing with a water rescue and a giant-sized [[CeCe Greene]], the Bots found the whole town had decided to celebrate All Spark Day, and Heatwave acted as a substitute for the energon fountain. {{storylink|All Spark Day (episode)|All Spark Day}} When the town's communications tower required replacing, the team took on second jobs — Heatwave helped Kade entertain children's parties. The townsfolk later chipped in with enough cash to replace the tower. {{storylink|Part-Time Heroes}}

When the day finally came to open the mainland [[Rescue Bot Training Center]], Heatwave found himself having to dial the others back with the partying. After the building was transformed, he attempted to return to Griffin Rock with Cody, only to discover that the GroundBridge was malfunctioning. {{storylink|The More Things Change...}} He, Kade and Cody were assigned the task of repairing the center's holographic cloak, and with Blades's help, managed to do so before the base could be discovered. {{storylink|The More Things Stay the Same}}

[[File:OnceUponATime Heatwave busts out.jpg|thumb|right|280px|Heatwave hates it in [[Jurassic Park]].]]
During a series of motor races, the Bots had to first deal with a collapsing stand full of spectators, and then with runaway racers thanks to an errant invention. {{storylink|Hot Rod Bot}} Heatwave accompanied Blades, Chief and Dani to [[Africa]] when Woodrow Burns appeared to need help, and ended up helping a family of gorillas survive baboons and an erupting volcano. {{storylink|King Burns}} During the town's Pizza Pi Party, the team had to deal with a rapidly-expanding monster mound of pizza dough. {{storylink|Pizza Pi Party}}

While running practice drills in the Training Center, the team had to save a Cybertronian ship that crash-landed. When it turned out Bumblebee was on board, the Rescue Bots took him on a tour of the center, however Heatwave and Chase were attacked and knocked out by an energon eater than had come down with the craft. Once it was captured, the others revived them. {{storylink|Uninvited Guest}} When Blades, Graham and Cody uncovered [[Chickadee]]'s operation to find some lost gems, the rest of the team managed to apprehend her. {{storylink|Camp Cody}}

Heatwave and Kade accompanied Cody and Frankie into the woods to make a delivery to Mrs. Neederlander, only to find themselves having to search for her. After finding her and briefly being trapped in a cave, the group managed to meet up with the rest of the team. {{storylink|Once Upon a Time}} After an attempt to drill Blurr on rescuing was less than successful, Heatwave and the rest of the team found themselves having to deal with the escaped [[Mini-Con]] [[Bounce]] and [[Sideswipe (RID)|Sideswipe]], a member of Bumblebee's team. {{storylink|The Need for Speed}}

[[File:TheNeedForSpeed Heatwave water knuckles.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Who needs knuckle ''dusters'' when you can have knuckle ''blasters''?]]
When Madeline Pynch got hold of a chunk of Energon, the rescue team put into action a plan to recover the Energon and arrest Pynch. Heatwave (under the code name '''Thunder''') and Chief were dropped into Pynch's compound by Blades, and managed to find Pynch's hoarded tech before she caught them, though they escaped having their memories wiped thanks to switching the tech and ultimately Pynch went to jail {{storylink|Cody's 11}} The Bots found themselves having to maintain their robot disguises when [[Maven Danger]] stayed at the firehouse as research for his new movie, though it later turned out the visit was just so Maven's agent [[Skip Scobble]] could attempt to steal a rare book. {{storylink|A Brush with Danger}}

When Dani's test space mission ran into trouble, the team headed into space in the ''Sigma'' to mount a rescue, with Heatwave providing the first stage to a jetpack-assisted Rescue Bot rocket. {{storylink|To Infinity... And Back}} Kade and Heatwave tried to get Cody interested in firefighting when the boy was deciding what sort of rescue worker he'd become. {{storylink|Family Business}}

The team was surprised to discover a whole town in [[China]] knew about them, when they were called there to deal with some out-of-control [[Scrubmite|Scrubbers]]. Afterwards Optimus promptly reassigned them, with Heatwave leading a team on Griffin Rock consisting of Salvage and Servo. When it turned out the Morocco virus was back and had built a new MorBot, Heatwave managed to blow it up by boobytrapping the GroundBridge. {{storylink|Upgrades}} Unfortunately when he, Kade and Cody returned to the Training Center, they found it under Morocco's control and had to hastily retreat. When Morocco set his sights on abducting Cody, Heatwave's team attempted in vain to protect the boy, but Heatwave was later able to pick up him and Frankie after they dropped Morocco into an undersea trench. Optimus later assigned Heatwave and Kade to train new recruits. {{storylink|Transformations}}
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===2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon===
Following the restoration of Cybertron from the [[Great War (Prime)|Great War]], Heatwave was one of the many Autobots blacklisted by the new [[Autobot High Council|High Council]] for being a supporter of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]]. {{Storylink|Enemy of My Enemy (RID)|Enemy of My Enemy}}

Trying to come up with a rallying cry, [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] once ordered his team to "roll to the rescue", but then evidently remembered that someone else was already using that cry. {{storylink|Battlegrounds, Part 1}}

After spending some time with Bumblebee's team, Blurr said he needed to return to his own rescue team "before Heatwave blows a gasket." {{storylink|Bee Cool}}

===''Rescue Bots Academy'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Paul Guyet]] (English)|[[Nicolas Matthys]] (French)}}
[[File:ToughLuckChuck Heatwave.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Yep, still a dick. [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Only this time he also has a large chin.]]]]
Now in charge of the training center, Heatwave introduced a batch of new recruits to Earth and ran them through a series of exercises to assess them, including a simulated rescue. {{storylink|Recruits Part I}} He later assigned the recruits to do a training rescue in the caves near [[Milford]], with Cody volunteering as rescue victim. {{storylink|Recruits Part II}}

At some point Heatwave called in Blades to help [[Hot Shot (Prime)|Hot Shot]] get the hang of his new jet mode. {{storylink|The Secret of Flight}} After Hot Shot damaged [[Tough Luck Chuck]] during a training exercise, Heatwave put the recruit in charge of looking after the drone while he retrieved some new parts from Milford. It later turned out that Hot Shot had allowed Chuck to wander through the GroundBridge portal to Milford, and Heatwave had to lead the recruits in a search and rescue mission before Chuck was found by humans. {{storylink|Tough Luck Chuck (episode)|Tough Luck Chuck}} Believing that [[Wedge (RBA)|Wedge]] could get the response time of the other recruits down, Heatwave lent the student his control for the rescue alarm, which didn't go as well as it could have. {{storylink|The Bot Who Cried Rescue}}

[[File:MissionInaudible Heatwave vehicle.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Golly, Heatwave, your wheels are bigger than your engine!]]
Heatwave took the recruits to the building site where the Rescue Bots' giant faces were being hewn into a mountainside near Griffin Rock. He later regretted it when Hot Shot endangered the entire enterprise by trying to add his own head. {{storylink|Mount Botmore}} After seeing how [[Hoist (RB)|Hoist]] got Wedge and Hot Shot to stop fighting, Heatwave put him in charge of the recruits' next practice rescue. {{storylink|Mission Inaudible}} Heatwave had Cody accompany the recruits on another rescue involving an overturned truck in Griffin Rock. {{storylink|Glitch (episode)|Glitch}} His demonstration of the ''Sigma'' to the recruits resulted in them believing that one of them was going to be expelled as there were only four command chairs, leading to them badly failing a volcano rescue drill until he explained that the ships were built to accommodate as many crew as necessary. {{storylink|Five into Four}}

[[File:RescuePromo Heatwave puppet.jpg|thumb|right|350px|There are at ''least'' 4 recreations of Puppetwave in the community by this point.]]
Partway through filming a recruitment video, Heatwave had to go help [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus]] on a mission and so left the task of filming the rest to [[Whirl (RBA)|Whirl]]. He invited Optimus back to the base to view the results. {{storylink|Rescue Promo}} The recruits blaming each other for the failure of a rescue resulted in Heatwave assigning them chores as punishment. {{storylink|Blame Game}} Heatwave and the recruits set up a surprise for Cody to present him with his EMT training certificate. {{storylink|Medix Surprise}}

After five [[TX3000]]s were loaned to the training center, Heatwave put the recruits through a series of exercises to test their ability with the device. {{storylink|The TX3000}} After Teen Pioneer [[Wes]] won a competition, Heatwave had the recruits spend some time with him, though Wedge required more persuading than the others. {{storylink|Driving a Wedge}} After rock sample from an asteroid went missing, Heatwave assumed one of the recruits had taken it. It later turned out that the rock was actually a small alien which had simply walked off his desk. {{storylink|About a Rock}}

The recruits attempted to keep a dog secret from Heatwave, but he inevitably found out and had them contact the dog's owner. It turned out the dog's name was also [[Heatwave (dog)|Heatwave]] and had been trying to get the recruits to rescue his other owner [[Frank Murphy]]. {{storylink|Dog Stray Afternoon}} Heatwave was overseeing the recruits in a simulation when Hot Shot fouled up again. {{storylink|Lucky Ducky}} He, Boulder and Blades worked to prevent a flood in Griffin Rock while the recruits rescued townsfolk. {{storylink|Go Team, Go!}} The recruits were too absorbed in the smartphones Boulder had assigned them to pay attention to Heatwave's lesson, resulting in them botching the rescue simulation he later had them do. {{storylink|Screen Time}} Heatwave took the recruits on a field trip to a museum in Milford, during which Whirl's contention that something was amiss paid off, and the team were able to catch a thief in the act. {{storylink|Fright at the Museum}}

[[File:WhosTeachingWho student Heatwave.jpg|thumb|left|280px|Heatwave was never very good at ''fitting in'' while he was learning at his old Rescue Bot Academy.]]
During a mission to the ''Asgard'', Heatwave and his team got trapped outside, necessitating the sending of the ''Sigma'' back to Earth so the recruits could come make an assist. {{storylink|Space Case (episode)|Space Case}} Heatwave left the recruits with a list of chores when he and Cody joined the other Rescue Bots on an off-world mission. On his return, he was impressed with the results until he found the [[Scrub-A-Dubber]] in his office. {{storylink|All Washed Up}} When Heatwave's lesson bored the recruits, he suggested if they thought they could do better, they could be the teachers for the day. Though the results were variable, Heatwave and the other Rescue Bots were able to employ what they'd learned during a later rescue. {{storylink|Who's Teaching Who?}}

While he had more business off-world, Heatwave assigned the recruits the task of retrieving a balloon from a tree in Milford. The tale he was told when he returned was rather more complicated than expected. {{storylink|Balloon Up A Tree}} Heatwave provided the recruits with a simulated dragon to deal with after discovering that Hoist was too distracted reading about the beasts. {{storylink|The Mystery of Dragon Mountain}} Heatwave introduced the recruits to their new teacher, [[Grimlock (RID 2015)|Grimlock]]. He later learned that Hoist had been trying to avoid Grimlock as he was afraid of Dinobots. {{Storylink|Tyrannosaurus Wrecked}} Heatwave gave Hoist permission to skip a trip to [[Wayward Island|Dino Island]]. He and the other teachers were away from the academy when a dinosaur got loose in it, leaving Hoist to have to deal with it. {{storylink|Dino Hard}}

Heatwave assigned the recruits the task of retrieving a crashed top-secret satellite. {{storylink|Dig Fest (episode)|Dig Fest}} On [[Halloween]], Heatwave congratulated the recruits after they pulled off a rescue while trick or treating. {{storylink|Trick or Treat}} Heatwave was again absent from the base on another occasion, leaving Grimlock to do his digital paperwork. {{storylink|Monster Savings}} Heatwave assigned Hoist the task of looking after the experimental [[Virtual Sonic Fence]] and was later upset when the recruits became distracted by the tune used to unlock the device and failed an exercise. Once they got themselves together, he sent them on a mission to the planet [[Herboo]]. {{storylink|Tune Out}} Heatwave and Cody were dealing with a crashed ice cream truck when they had to go to the aid of Boulder and the recruits, who'd stumbled on a nest of [[Scraplet]]s. {{storylink|Metal Munchers}}

[[File:BestBotsForever1 Heatwave tows Grimlock.jpg|thumb|right|370px|How to Tow your Dinobot.]]
Increasingly irritated by the testing of Hoist's new comms system, Heatwave ordered the recruits to investigate why some animals were acting as which as it turned out, was because of the new comms system. {{storylink|Milford Goes To The Dogs}} Heatwave had the recruits try a simulation involving an ice wave to teach them that sometimes they had to pick their victories based on what was achievable. {{storylink|The Ice Wave}} Heatwave took part in a teachers vs students relay race, carrying Grimlock as a pretend rescue victim, and lost to Hot Shot when the recruit exploited the Dinobot's fear of cats. He was dismayed later when Hot Shot opted to drop out of the Academy the day before graduation to return to Cybertron. {{storylink|Best Bots Forever Part 1}} A space bridge malfunction caused by the students tampering with it resulted in Heatwave, Optimus, Cody and Chase becoming trapped in an expanding energon bubble. They were eventually freed by the recruits, and Heatwave's anger was cut short by the arrival of the Griffin Rock townsfolk. Graduation went ahead as planned. {{storylink|Best Bots Forever Part 2}}

Between years, Heatwave had personal spaces set up for each of the five recruits, and showed them around when year two started. [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]]'s [[Aptitude Analyzer]] paired him with Hot Shot as a mentor. {{storylink|Back to School}} Said mentoring involved assigning Hot Shot a series of chores to do, which turned out to teach Hot Shot the skills necessary for a rescue the recruits had to carry out. {{storylink|In Training}} Heatwave took the recruits to visit Ratchet's lab on Cybertron and was stunned to learn Medix had been hiding a bat from him. {{storylink|Medix Steps Up To The Bat}}

Heatwave was perturbed to discover that the recruits had built a robotic suit for Cody. When he sent them to corral a rogue bull, the suit almost resulted in the situation ending in disaster, but instead it ended with Heatwave trying to wrangle the bull. {{storylink|Robo-Cody}} Heatwave assigned the recruits to the task of acting in Griffin Rock's Play in the Park. When Wedge confessed to having faked an injury to get out of it because a squirrel taunted him, Heatwave suggested maybe the squirrel was trying to tell him something else. {{storylink|Acting Out}} Heatwave approved [[Perceptor (Prime)|Perceptor]] to join the Academy as a teacher. {{storylink|Need to Know}}

Heatwave was absent from the Academy for a number of days, and had Grimlock fill in for him. {{storylink|Trouble Cubed}} To recognize their good work, Heatwave let the recruits pick their favorite rescue simulation to do, and was confused when they decided to watch movies instead. {{storylink|My Favorite Rescue}} When Grimlock and Hoist found a lead on a possible energon cache, Heatwave approved a mission to go search but cautioned them to observe safety measures at all times. {{storylink|The Great Energon Rush}} Heatwave conducted a fire training exercise with Hot Shot. {{storylink|Wild Ghost Chase}} Heatwave attended the opening of the [[Museum of Future Tech Art]]. {{storylink|Museum Mystery}}

When [[Ezra Greene|Doc Greene]] and [[Frankie Greene|Frankie]] were trapped in a shrinking [[force field]] dome, Heatwave led the team of mentors and recruits to rescue them. {{storylink|Partners (RBA)|Partners}} Heatwave suggested Hot Shot give his new rescue tool a chance when the young Bot was disappointed with what the [[Sparksayer]] had given him. {{storylink|Power Up And Energize}} Heatwave attended the charity performance of the [[Griffin Rock Ballet School]]. {{storylink|Shall We Dance?}}

Optimus spurred Heatwave into action to try to help Hot Shot master his Mul-T-Cog, though it wasn't until the other recruits got involved that Hot Shot succeeded. {{storylink|Mul-T-Change of Pace}} Heatwave set up a test for Whirl's final deductive reasoning exam, disguising himself as a tree. Whirl saw through the disguise fairly easily. {{storylink|Five Little Rescue Bots}} When a series of technical malfunctions plagued the academy, Heatwave contacted Ratchet to get them fixed. {{storylink|Good Advice}} Hot Shot consulted Heatwave while trying to decide on a new alternate mode, however Heatwave had to come to his rescue when he started a fire at an abandoned rocket site. Hot Shot was so impressed with Heatwave's abilities in fire truck mode that he selected that for his new form. {{storylink|Big Wheels}}

After the recruits informed him of a distress signal they'd detected in space, Heatwave sent them on their first solo off-world mission, giving them a rescue beacon for when they ran into trouble. He later responded to the rescue beacon and arrived in time to witness the reactivation of lost [[Titan (group)|Titan]] [[Citadel Secundus]]. {{storylink|The Empty City}} Heatwave took part in a "rescue-athon" partnered with Hot Shot. {{storylink|First Responder}} He sent the recruits to [[Australia]] in response to a distress signal, {{storylink|Brushfire (episode)|Brushfire}} and dispatched Whirl to take care of another distress call which turned out to be Scorch. {{storylink|The Ties That Bind (episode)|The Ties That Bind}} Heatwave entered a classroom to find Ratchet and the recruits dancing like chickens, and slooooowly backed back out. {{storylink|Bot Blog}}

As Heatwave had to do repairs on the ''Asgard'', he left the recruits in the care of Perceptor. The ''Sigma'' vanished while he was prepping it for launch, as Medix had decided that the best plan to impress Perceptor would be to do the ''Asgard'' repairs himself. {{storylink|Medix Gets Schooled}} Heatwave sent the recruits out on a series of missions which led them to encounter a group of teens who were also mounting rescues. He later offered the teens the chance to train as first responders. {{storylink|Rescue Teens}}

The wizard in Whirl's dream appeared in the form of a giant holographic head resembling Heatwave. {{storylink|Wizard Of Botz}} After Heatwave assigned the recruits to carry out maintenance on the academy, he began seeing rabbits and cows passing through walls thanks to Hot Shot and Hoist screwing up repairs on Hero Hall. {{storylink|One Of Our Dragons Is Missing}} Responding to an emergency on Cybertron involving meteors heading towards [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon City]], Heatwave was forced to leave [[Sludge (FOC)|Sludge]] and [[Snarl (FOC)|Snarl]] in charge of the academy. He returned assuming the place would be trashed, but instead the two Dinobots were ''cleaning''. {{storylink|Dino-mite Duo}} Heatwave took the recruits to respond to a vague distress call from Citadel Secundus, though it turned out the Titan was just lonely. {{storylink|The Lonely Titan}}

When [[Finn O'Reilly]] approached Heatwave with a [[holokey]] he's found, Heatwave enlisted the help of the recruits to join the pair on following the trail of breadcrumbs stored in the device. They eventually found a hidden cache of [[Tox-En]], hidden thousands of years earlier. {{storylink|X Marks The Bot}} Heatwave set up a series of tests to help the recruits learn when and when not to use their power up tools, even roping [[Jerry (RB)|Jerry]] into helping. {{Storylink|Powerless}} Heatwave was approached by Mayor Luskey to have the recruits monitor the upcoming charity concert by DJ Mechmaster. {{storylink|Griffin Rock Rocks!}}

Heatwave oversaw the recruits on their final test of year two, and afterwards announced they'd get to have a party aboard Citadel Secundus. Unfortunately the party came to a halt when the Titan was struck by an asteroid which created an anti-energon field, putting Heatwave and the rest of the teaching staff into stasis lock. {{storylink|Space Party}} They were revived once Secundus was safely landed on Earth, and held the students' graduation ceremony, during which Heatwave revealed that Secundus was becoming the Academy's new wing. {{storylink|Crash Of The Titan}}

==Commercial appearances==
*[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus]], [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]], Heatwave, [[Chase (RB)|Chase]], [[Blades (RB)|Blades]], and [[Boulder]] rushed out of [[Fire Station Prime]] in response to a nearby fire. They watched Heatwave put out the blaze, then all posed heroically in a v-formation. {{storylink|Commercial#Rescue Bots|Rescue Bots toys commercial}}
*The Rescue Bots responded to a fire emergency. Once on-scene, Heatwave energized his water cannons to better deal with the situation and put out the fire in short order. {{storylink|Commercial#Rescue Bots|Energize figures commercial}}
*A child playing with the "Optimus Primal" Rescue Bots toy was turned into an animated version of himself and met with the Rescue Bots! He directed a rescue operation for Chase, with which Heatwave assisted in by letting Chase grab onto his ladder for support.{{storylink|Commercial#Rescue Bots|Rescue Bots Optimus Primal toy commercial}}

==Games==
===''Angry Birds Transformers''===
{{main|Terence (AB)#As Heatwave}}
Heatwave appears as one of the first unlockable characters. He is portrayed by Terence. {{storylink|Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers}}

==Toys==
===''Rescue Bots''===
[[Image:HeatwaveTheFireBot nonelectronic.jpg|right|thumb|300px|[[Geewun|The original is always the best one, right?]]]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Rescue Bot, 2011)

:Heatwave transforms into a red and grey fire engine of likely fictitious origin. In keeping with the simple [[transformation scheme]] of the line, Heatwave transforms from vehicle mode to robot mode by simply pulling up the ladder and folding down the feet.

:Due to the placement of his ladder on his back, it is actually possible for the human figures to hitch a ride on Heatwave's back in robot mode; the rungs on the ladder are just thin enough to allow for one of their hands to slip around and the thumb on that hand to fit in the hollow area on the back of said rung.

:This figure was redecoed for the [[#Rescue Bots: Energize|''Energize'' toyline]], casting some parts in translucent blue plastic. It was also retooled to give it sockets capable of holding the newly included eponymous implement. The retooled version was later redecoed in cartoon-accurate colors and [[#Rescue Bots (2018)|given a limited re-release in 2018]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/RBHeatwave/heatwave.htm More information on Heatwave at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:RescueBots electronic HeatwaveTheFireBot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Definitely not show accurate, but who *doesn't* want giant back cannons?]]
*'''Electronic Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Electronic Figure, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Storybook, 2 "AAA" batteries, Cody Burns
:This non-Transformable version of Heatwave features electronic [[light-emitting diode|lights]] and [[soundbox|sounds]]. He comes with a storybook titled "[[Rescue Bots Respond]]" which details his adventures, and a redecoed [[Cody Burns]] figure.

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[[Image:RescueBotstoy-Fire Station Prime.jpg|right|thumb|300px|The RPM playset you never knew you wanted.]]
*'''Electronic Fire Station Prime''' (Playset, 2011)

:A Heatwave vehicle is included with the [[Fire Station Prime]] playset. It "transforms" much like ''[[Robot Powered Machines]]'' Mini-Vehicles. An image of Heatwave is molded on the bottom of the vehicle and it can be stood up on end.

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[[File:RescueBots_ElectronicDinobotHeatwave.jpg|thumb|250px|This is basically [[Sludge (FOC)|Sludge]] if he was a fireman.]]
*'''Heatwave the Rescue Dinobot''' (Electronic toy, 2014)

:This new Heatwave figure is a non-transforming ''Brontosaurus'' featuring electronic lights and sounds.

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[[File:RescueBots_Amazon_Ambulance_Heatwave.jpg|thumb|300px|"Who you callin' an ambulance?"]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (2015)

:Exclusive to Amazon, this Heatwave is a lime yellow redeco and retool of the original [[Medix (RB)|Medix]] figure with a new head, as a fire search and rescue vehicle, effectively resembling [[Ratchet (Movie)|''Movie'' Ratchet]].
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*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (2018)
:After 5 years of discontinuation, the original Heatwave figure saw a limited rerelease in late 2018. The figure's colors now look more towards the show, and the energize version's tooling is left intact. His water cannon accessory is now silver.

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====''Energize''====
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[[Image:HeatwaveTheFireBot energize.jpg|right|thumb|300px|He'll probably be in need of [[Repair crab|some serious repairs]] when his clear plastic inevitably breaks.]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Rescue Bot, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' "Water" cannon

:The original Heatwave toy was released as part of the ''Energize'' subline, retooled to add sockets into the top of his emergency lights, and with translucent blue plastic. Also added is a "water" cannon in the same plastic which can slot into the new sockets. The word "water" is in scare quotes in the product descriptions because the "water" cannon doesn't actually shoot water.

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[[Image:HeatwaveTheFireBot KadeBurns energize.jpg|right|thumb|300px|An axe hand? ''Oh no...'']]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot & Kade Burns''' (Figure 2-Pack, 2013)

:Available in a two-pack with Kade Burns, Heatwave is a non-transforming figure but possesses more in the way of articulation than previous Heatwave toys, in addition to being more [[Show-accuracy|show accurate]]. His left hand is replaced by a fire ax.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/RBPVCHeatwave/heatwave.htm More information on PVC Heatwave at TFU.info]''

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*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Single Pack, 2013)

:The same ''Energize'' non-transforming figure was also available in a bagged single pack, without Kade Burns.

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[[File:RescueBotstoy_rescan_Heatwave_Cody_Burns_twopack.jpg|thumb|300px|Why do I look like a Power Rangers mecha?]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot & Cody Burns''' (Figure 2-Pack, 2014)

:Available with a "Rescue Boy"-style Cody Burns figure, Heatwave is a new figure based on his fireboat Rescan figure.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/RBPVCHeatwave/heatwave.htm More information on Rescan PVC Heatwave at TFU.info]''
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====Flip Changers====
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[[Image:RescueBots FlipChangers HeatwaveTheFireBot.jpg|right|thumb|300px|I'll flip out in more than one manner of speaking.]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Flip Changer, 2013)

:A highly simplified version of Heatwave with show-accurate detailing. He transforms into a super-deformed fire engine—pulling out the lever on the rear of Heatwave's vehicle mode causes him to drive forwards before doing a frontwards flip to [[autotransformation|autotransform]] into robot mode, popping his head up and his arms outwards.
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====Beam Box====
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[[File:RescueBots_BeamBoxHeatwave.jpg|thumb|250px|Can't move...stuck to rocks...]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (''Beam Box'' Figure, 2013)
:Heatwave is a non-transforming figure with no articulation, mounted on a rocky base. Inserting him into the Beam Box Game System unlocks Heatwave in the game.

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====Rescan Series====
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[[File:RescueBots_Rescan_HeatwaveTheFireBot.jpg|thumb|300px|Rescue Boats, Row to the Rescue!]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Rescan, 2014)

:Part of the first wave of the Rescan series, Heatwave is an all-new figure, featuring a spring-loaded transformation from show-accurate fireboat to robot, activated by his lightbar. As a boat, he does not have any wheels, nor does he have anything else to lift him off the surface of a table. He is therefore prone to paint wear on his wrist-mounted water cannons and the top of his faux chest window during play.

:This figure shares engineering with the [[Hot Shot (Prime)#Hovercraft|hovercraft version of ''Rescue Bots Academy'' Hot Shot]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/RBHeatwave/heatwave.htm More information on Rescan Heatwave at TFU.info]''

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[[File:RB-toy Heatwave-HookLadder.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''Oh no'', Heatwave had [[Primus apotheosis]] the ''whole time!'']]
*'''Hook & Ladder Heatwave''' (2016)
**''Accessories'': Trailer/gauntlet, water-blast projectile

: Part of a larger "deluxe" range of toys under the broader ''Playskool Heroes'' banner, Hook & Ladder Heatwave is a smaller, more show-like re-make of his original toy (in line with the "Rescan" assortment of his teammates), transforming from fire truck to robot and back with a single step triggered by swinging his truck-mode back end/leg down. He comes with a large trailer unit with a moving ladder rig equipped with a spring-loaded "water burst" launcher. The rig can transform into a gauntlet that kids (or adults with small arms) can wear.

: The package back calls out that Heatwave's back-ladder is removable and can be attached to the trailer, but it takes ''way'' too much force to do and doesn't feel like it's actually supposed to. Also, the ladder has been molded in a way that makes the tops of the steps incorrectly aligned when attached, causing them to face sideways.

:The cab-robot was also included in the "[[Heatwave (RB)#4pack|Griffin Rock Rescue Team Set]]" in 2016, [[Heatwave (RB)#RescanCab|released singly]] in 2018, and [[#RBACab|re-released singly again as part of ''Rescue Bots Academy'']], each time with no notable changes.

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[[File:RescueBots_GriffinRockRescueTeam_Package.jpg|thumb|right|250px|So ''this'' is what Optimus feels like when he gets sold without his trailer...]]
*'''Griffin Rock Rescue Team Set''' (4-pack, 2016)

: This box set contains the "[[Heatwave (RB)#Hook&Ladder|Hook & Ladder Heatwave]]" cab-robot minus the trailer unit, and the show-based "Rescan" versions of [[Boulder#RescanShow|Boulder]], [[Blades (RB)#RescanCopter|Blades]], and [[Chase (RB)#RescanCar|Chase]]. All four toys are identical to their individual releases (with the obvious exception of the missing trailer).

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[[File:RescueBots_Rescan_HeatwaveTheDragonBot.jpg|thumb|300px|Rescue Bots [[Doublecross]], anyone?]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Rescan, 2017)

:Part of the thirteenth wave of the Rescan series, Heatwave is another new body for the character which changes from robot to two-headed dragon and back in a single step.

:This mold was later redecoed into ''[[Transformers: Dinobot Adventures|Dinobot Adventures]]'' Dinobot Squad [[Predaking (Prime)#Dinobot Adventures|Predaking]].

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[[File:RescueBots_2018Rescan_HeatwavetheFireBot_RaceCar.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Heatwave could go "''nyooom''", but he's above that kind of memery.]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Rescan, 2018)

:Yet another new body for the character released as part of the sixteenth wave of the Rescan series, this time changing into a race car in a single step. He seems to take a lot of the engineering from the Rescan [[MorBot]] figure, which is an extensive retool of [[Blurr (Prime)#Rescue Bots|Blurr]]. In 2019 [[#RBARescanRaceCar|he was re-released]] under [[Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (toyline)|''Rescue Bots Academy'' branding]] with no changes, and was also retooled with a new head and resculpted chest and legs, into the [[Whirl (RBA)#Racecar|race-car version of ''Rescue Bots Academy'' Whirl]].

:Whether by accident or design, this toy bears a resemblance to the [[:File:ABGaS-LuskeyBooth-robot.jpg|generic red robot]] seen adorning Mayor Luskey's booth in the episode "[[All Bots Great and Small]]".

:For some reason, the stock photos and character art on his packaging show the...vents?...on either side of his cockpit being painted white instead of the unpainted red they ended up being in the final toy.

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[[File:RB-Heatwave-Cab-Rescan2018.jpg|thumb|300px|right|A single-card variant of the exact same thing? Completionists ''hate'' me.]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Rescan, 2018)

: A re-release of the "[[Heatwave (RB)#Hook&Ladder|Hook & Ladder Heatwave]]" cab-robot without the trailer unit, like the [[Heatwave (RB)#4pack|Griffin Rock Rescue Team Set]] from 2016, but single-carded. There are no notable differences compared to the two earlier releases. This figure was also later re-released in the [[#RBACab|''Rescue Bots Academy'' toyline]] with no changes.
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====Mini Dinos====
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[[File:RescueBots_MiniDinoHeatwave.jpg|thumb|300px|The Activator Sludge we never knew we needed.]]
*'''Heatwave the Rescue Dinobot''' (Mini Dino, 2014)

:Part of the first wave of the Mini Dinos series, Heatwave features autotransformation from ''Brontosaurus'' to robot.

:This figure is prone to internal breakage of the autotransforming mechanism if care is not taken when aligning the halves of the dinosaur head during transformation.

:This mold was later redecoed into ''[[Transformers: Dinobot Adventures|Dinobot Adventures]]'' Dinobot Striker [[Sludge (FOC)#Toys|Sludge]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/RBDinoHeatwave/heatwave.htm More information on Rescue Dinobot Heatwave at TFU.info]''
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====Epic Figures====
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[[File:RescueBots_EpicHeatwaveFigure.jpg|thumb|200px|This is what every G1 combiner looked like.]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Epic Figure, 2014)

:As part of the Epic Figures, Heatwave is an 12-inch tall non-transforming figure with basic articulation. His chest opens up to fit 2-Pack human figures, and he features 5mm ports to interact with Energize rescue tools.
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====Featured Bots====
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[[File:RescueBots_FeaturedBot_Heatwave.jpg|thumb|230px|Heatwave, now with flip-out axe action!]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Featured Bot, 2015)

:A non-transforming figure of Heatwave featuring an axe action on its left arm.
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====Megabots====
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[[File:RescueBots_Megabot_EliteRescueHeatwave.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Arise, Heatimus Prime.]]
*'''Elite Rescue Heatwave''' (Megabot, 2016)

:Part of the first wave of Mega Bots figures, Heatwave changes from a longer and larger version of his original fire truck alt-mode in a few easy steps. He features a removeable ladder with water cannons which can peg onto his arm or his back. His left arm has a flip-out capture claw. Additionally, he has 5mm compatible fist holes and his vehicle mode has several pegs for accommodating human figures.

:His ladder uses a hexagonal link-up point that is also used for the cranes on both Rescue Rig and Megabot versions of [[High Tide]], as well as (strangely) the gasoline pump included with the Griffin Rock Garage set, making all of those parts interchangeable.

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[[File:RescueBots_Megabot_NightRescueHeatwave.jpg|300px|thumb|right|You see, Chase...I love '''''goooooooooooooooooold!''''']]
*'''Night Rescue Heatwave''' (Megabot, 2016)
:Part of the third wave of Mega Bots figures, Heatwave is a slight recolor of the figure listed above and retains all of its gimmickry.
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====Flip Racers====
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[[File:RB-Heatwave-FlipRacer.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Rescue Bots, flip to the rescue!]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Flip Racer, 2017)

:Part of the first wave of individually packed Flip Racers, Heatwave transforms automatically from firetruck to robot when the vehicle mode is lifted up and placed on its end.

*'''Optimus Prime Race Track Trailer''' (Playset, 2017)

: When bought exclusively at [[Walmart]], [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#FlipRaceTrack|Optimus Prime Race Track Trailer]] would include Flip Racers Heatwave and [[MorBot]] as bonus.

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[[File:RescueBotsGriffinRockStuntTeamHeatwave.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Flip to win! Flip to win! Flip to wiiiin!]]
*'''Griffin Rock Stunt Team''' (Multipack, 2017)

:Released as the second wave of Flip Racers multipacks, this set contains a new Heatwave inspired by his Rescan race car mode along with [[Boulder]] and [[Quickshadow]].

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*'''Pullback Heatwave''' (Pullback Flip Racer, 2018)
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===''Rescue Bots Academy''===
====Rescan Series====
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[[File:RBA-RaceCarHeatwave-carded.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1|Heatwave's mid-life crisis; should he have stayed a race car?]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Rescan, 2019)

:[[#RescanRaceCar|Heatwave's race car toy]] was re-released as part of the [[Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (toyline)|''Rescue Bots Academy'' toyline]] in [[2019]]. Aside from the ''Academy'' branding, there are no changes to the figure. He was also redecoed with a new head into the same line's [[Whirl (RBA)#Racecar|race-car version of Whirl]].

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*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Rescan, [[2020]])

:A re-release of the "[[Heatwave (RB)#Hook&Ladder|Hook & Ladder Heatwave]]" cab-robot without the trailer unit, under the ''Rescue Bots Academy'' toyline.

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*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (Rescan, 2021)

:Released in [[2021]], this Rescan Heatwave toy transforms into a red jet styled after an aerial firefighting plane. This figure is another retool of the [[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys#RescanJet|Rescan VTOL jet version of Bumblebee]].

:This mold was also differently retooled into the [[Blades (RB)#RescanVTOL|Rescan series VTOL version of Blades]], [[Whirl (RBA)#AcadRescTeam|VTOL Whirl]], and the airplane version of [[Hot Shot (Prime)|Hot Shot]].

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[[File:RBA Classic Heroes Heatwave.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1|Ah yes, "classic".]]
*'''Heatwave the Fire-Bot''' (All Star Rescan, 2021)
:The "Hook & Ladder" cab without the trailer was once again re-released with seemingly no changes, this time under the ''Classic Heroes Team'' subline branding.
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====Mighty Mighties====
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[[File:RBA-MM-Heatwave.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1|I'm in this line, too!]]
*'''Heatwave''' (Mighty Mighties, 2019)

:Similar in size to the ''Rescue Bots'' Epic figures, Heatwave's Mighty Mighties figure is non-transformable and features basic articulation.
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==Merchandise==
===''Rescue Bots''===
[[Image:RBMerch-Heatwave costume.jpg|thumb|right|150px|This is just every lazy cosplayer ever.]]
*'''Heatwave Toddler Halloween Costume''' (2012)
:Dress your kiddie up in this Heatwave [[Halloween]] costume so he can go door-to-door shaking down people for candy. 100% polyester!
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===''Playskool Friends''===
[[File:Playskool-Friends-TF-Heatwave.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Is this that "chibi" thing the overseas guys like?]]
*'''Transformers Collector Pack''' (Canceled)

:Intended to be released as part of the 7-pack for the Playskool Friends lineup, this Heatwave is a ''very'' adorable non-transforming figurine. He comes packed with Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Arcee, and the rest of the Rescue Bots: Blades, Chase, and Boulder.

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==Notes==
[[Image:Comicon2012MeetHeatwave.jpg|thumb|Hey kids, come meet the surly loner of the Rescue Bots! It'll be fun for the whole family!]]
*An in-costume actor portraying Heatwave appeared at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2012 and at [[Universal Studios|Universal Studios Hollywood]] for the ''Transformers Fan Experience'' on [[June 20]], [[2014]] (during the weekend of [[BotCon 2014]]).
*Unused in the show, toy artwork of Heatwave showed that he could fire grappling hooks from his knuckle cannons. It also depicted him with Onslaught esque back mounted cannons, which managed to sneak into the design of his dinobot mode.
*Heatwave is the only cast member to have a new alternate mode drafted into the show from an existing toy. The other alternate toys of the others are toy-exclusive.

===Foreign names===
*''Hungarian:'' '''Tűzlovag''' ("Fireknight", Rescue Bots, Rescue Bots Academy), '''Lánglovag''' ("Flameknight", Rescue Bots Academy)
*''Mandarin:'' '''Rè Làng''' (热浪, "Heat Wave")

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