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Talk:Marissa Faireborn

2026-03-07T08:48:01Z

CleverThylacine: /* Kiss Player */

==Kiss Player==
Hey, this section used to say Prime's corpse was coming from the his death at Autobot City. (I think that might be Prime's article)
Is that.... right? Was Prime's death/deactivation at the battle of Autobot city part of the kiss-player backstory? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
: Yes. Specifically, it seemed to reference a commercial showing Optimus Prime's body being carried by helicopter over a Tokyo populated by American-looking kids shouting "Convoy!" over and over. I wish I could find that on Youtube again, but it is lost to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

::The Kiss Play backstory is always a little vague, but it's stated that Prime's death occurred in a one-on-one battle with Megatron during the Unicron War of 2005, and that he died in America before his corpse was flown to Japan. So it's almost certainly a movie continuity reference. Hot Rod's KP backstory and Starscream's ghost-ness also fit this timing. I don't think it's meant to mesh with that old commercial, though - the body was flown into Japan by military cargo plane, then driven by truck convoy to Tokyo. No helicopter or public display involved. -[[User:Swift|Swift]] 14:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Just in case anybody cares, the commercial in question can be found [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zSyeeYEmxQ here]. - [[User:Ducktimus|Ducktimus]] 01:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

umm.. how can the blond 12 year old and the dark 40 year old be the same person? they look nothing alike.

:Marissa Faireborn was never 40. I mean, she'd have to have been born 20 years before G1, and we know who her parents are. It'd be pretty impossible. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:40, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

::I actually think there's a good case to be made for them to be different people. Japanese makes little distinction between the R and L consonant sounds (my name is Kiri and occasionally ridiculous boys in Japanese-speaking parts of fandom think it's flirty or cutesy to call me Killy) but there's a big distinction between the E and A vowel sounds. I need to go and look at those comics. The boxes call her "Melissa"--not Marissa, obviously, but also not "Merissa". I'll get back to you but if the comics are calling her メリッサ　instead of マリッサ　they're not the same person. Aside from the fact that Marissa is smart enough to be a military leader and Melissa is supposed to be a competition surfer who FORGETS HER SURFBOARD...that said, she's not 12, the artist is just being overly moe about it. [[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 03:45, 7 March 2026 (EST)

=="She's a viking"==

THAT'S NOT WHAT RALPH MEAN AAARGH [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 19:05, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

==Canon?==
Even though it's pretty much accepted by the fandom, and Flint Dille confirmed her parentage in an interview, is any of it actually canon or just Author Intent? [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 15:35, 3 February 2011 (EST)
: She has Flint's last name, and they designed an old Flint to be her father and had Flint's voice actor play him. This is not just author intent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:38, 3 February 2011 (EST)
::I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass. I'm just bringing it up because it can open up some wiggle room for canon inclusion. Dispite all those details, it is never specifically stated in fiction who her parents are. Same thing with Old Snake. We all know who he is clearly meant to be, but a future writer can always write a story saying it's not him without offically contradicting anything. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 15:48, 3 February 2011 (EST)
::: You're also forgetting her Dreamwave appearances, where it establishes a family line from Nathaniel Faireborn to Flint to Marissa. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:55, 3 February 2011 (EST)
::::Aha.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:33, 3 February 2011 (EST)

==just noticed this==

Her Dress uniform that is pictured from the cartoon kind of looks like (other then color)Wilma Deering's dress uniform from Buck Rogers in the 25th century from the pilot episode [[User:Chasemarc1701|Chasemarc1701]] ([[User talk:Chasemarc1701|talk]]) 00:09, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Marissa Faireborn

2026-03-07T08:46:28Z

CleverThylacine: /* Kiss Player */

==Kiss Player==
Hey, this section used to say Prime's corpse was coming from the his death at Autobot City. (I think that might be Prime's article)
Is that.... right? Was Prime's death/deactivation at the battle of Autobot city part of the kiss-player backstory? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
: Yes. Specifically, it seemed to reference a commercial showing Optimus Prime's body being carried by helicopter over a Tokyo populated by American-looking kids shouting "Convoy!" over and over. I wish I could find that on Youtube again, but it is lost to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

::The Kiss Play backstory is always a little vague, but it's stated that Prime's death occurred in a one-on-one battle with Megatron during the Unicron War of 2005, and that he died in America before his corpse was flown to Japan. So it's almost certainly a movie continuity reference. Hot Rod's KP backstory and Starscream's ghost-ness also fit this timing. I don't think it's meant to mesh with that old commercial, though - the body was flown into Japan by military cargo plane, then driven by truck convoy to Tokyo. No helicopter or public display involved. -[[User:Swift|Swift]] 14:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Just in case anybody cares, the commercial in question can be found [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zSyeeYEmxQ here]. - [[User:Ducktimus|Ducktimus]] 01:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

umm.. how can the blond 12 year old and the dark 40 year old be the same person? they look nothing alike.

:Marissa Faireborn was never 40. I mean, she'd have to have been born 20 years before G1, and we know who her parents are. It'd be pretty impossible. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:40, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

::I actually think there's a good case to be made for them to be different people. Japanese makes little distinction between the R and L consonant sounds (my name is Kiri and occasionally ridiculous boys in Japanese-speaking parts of fandom think it's flirty or cutesy to call me Killy) but there's a big distinction between the E and A vowel sounds. I need to go and look at those comics. The boxes call her "Melissa"--not Marissa, obviously, but also not "Merissa". I'll get back to you but if the comics are calling her メリッサ　instead of マリッサ　they're not the same person. Aside from the fact that Marissa is smart enough to be a military leader and Melissa is supposed to be a competition surfer who FORGETS HER SURFBOARD... [[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 03:45, 7 March 2026 (EST)

=="She's a viking"==

THAT'S NOT WHAT RALPH MEAN AAARGH [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 19:05, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

==Canon?==
Even though it's pretty much accepted by the fandom, and Flint Dille confirmed her parentage in an interview, is any of it actually canon or just Author Intent? [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 15:35, 3 February 2011 (EST)
: She has Flint's last name, and they designed an old Flint to be her father and had Flint's voice actor play him. This is not just author intent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:38, 3 February 2011 (EST)
::I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass. I'm just bringing it up because it can open up some wiggle room for canon inclusion. Dispite all those details, it is never specifically stated in fiction who her parents are. Same thing with Old Snake. We all know who he is clearly meant to be, but a future writer can always write a story saying it's not him without offically contradicting anything. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 15:48, 3 February 2011 (EST)
::: You're also forgetting her Dreamwave appearances, where it establishes a family line from Nathaniel Faireborn to Flint to Marissa. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:55, 3 February 2011 (EST)
::::Aha.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:33, 3 February 2011 (EST)

==just noticed this==

Her Dress uniform that is pictured from the cartoon kind of looks like (other then color)Wilma Deering's dress uniform from Buck Rogers in the 25th century from the pilot episode [[User:Chasemarc1701|Chasemarc1701]] ([[User talk:Chasemarc1701|talk]]) 00:09, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Marissa Faireborn

2026-03-07T08:45:27Z

CleverThylacine: /* Kiss Player */ I might be willing to die on the hill of these not being the same character

==Kiss Player==
Hey, this section used to say Prime's corpse was coming from the his death at Autobot City. (I think that might be Prime's article)
Is that.... right? Was Prime's death/deactivation at the battle of Autobot city part of the kiss-player backstory? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
: Yes. Specifically, it seemed to reference a commercial showing Optimus Prime's body being carried by helicopter over a Tokyo populated by American-looking kids shouting "Convoy!" over and over. I wish I could find that on Youtube again, but it is lost to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

::The Kiss Play backstory is always a little vague, but it's stated that Prime's death occurred in a one-on-one battle with Megatron during the Unicron War of 2005, and that he died in America before his corpse was flown to Japan. So it's almost certainly a movie continuity reference. Hot Rod's KP backstory and Starscream's ghost-ness also fit this timing. I don't think it's meant to mesh with that old commercial, though - the body was flown into Japan by military cargo plane, then driven by truck convoy to Tokyo. No helicopter or public display involved. -[[User:Swift|Swift]] 14:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Just in case anybody cares, the commercial in question can be found [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zSyeeYEmxQ here]. - [[User:Ducktimus|Ducktimus]] 01:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

umm.. how can the blond 12 year old and the dark 40 year old be the same person? they look nothing alike.

:Marissa Faireborn was never 40. I mean, she'd have to have been born 20 years before G1, and we know who her parents are. It'd be pretty impossible. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:40, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

::I actually think there's a good case to be made for them to be different people. Japanese makes little distinction between the R and L consonant sounds (my name is Kiri and occasionally ridiculous boys in fandom think it's funny to call me Killy) but there's a big distinction between the E and A vowel sounds. I need to go and look at those comics. The boxes call her "Melissa"--not Marissa, obviously, but also not "Merissa". I'll get back to you but if the comics are calling her メリッサ　instead of マリッサ　they're not the same person. Aside from the fact that Marissa is smart enough to be a military leader and Melissa is supposed to be a competition surfer who FORGETS HER SURFBOARD... [[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 03:45, 7 March 2026 (EST)

=="She's a viking"==

THAT'S NOT WHAT RALPH MEAN AAARGH [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 19:05, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

==Canon?==
Even though it's pretty much accepted by the fandom, and Flint Dille confirmed her parentage in an interview, is any of it actually canon or just Author Intent? [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 15:35, 3 February 2011 (EST)
: She has Flint's last name, and they designed an old Flint to be her father and had Flint's voice actor play him. This is not just author intent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:38, 3 February 2011 (EST)
::I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass. I'm just bringing it up because it can open up some wiggle room for canon inclusion. Dispite all those details, it is never specifically stated in fiction who her parents are. Same thing with Old Snake. We all know who he is clearly meant to be, but a future writer can always write a story saying it's not him without offically contradicting anything. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 15:48, 3 February 2011 (EST)
::: You're also forgetting her Dreamwave appearances, where it establishes a family line from Nathaniel Faireborn to Flint to Marissa. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:55, 3 February 2011 (EST)
::::Aha.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:33, 3 February 2011 (EST)

==just noticed this==

Her Dress uniform that is pictured from the cartoon kind of looks like (other then color)Wilma Deering's dress uniform from Buck Rogers in the 25th century from the pilot episode [[User:Chasemarc1701|Chasemarc1701]] ([[User talk:Chasemarc1701|talk]]) 00:09, 30 March 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Miko Nakadai

2026-01-30T22:16:19Z

CleverThylacine: /* Official kanji? */

== Official kanji? ==

I suppose it's still a bit early to ask, but is there any material out there listing what, if any, kanji are to be used for Miko's name? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 18:15, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
:No. I also can't find an actual Japanese person with the given name of "Miko". It's either a nickname or "it sounds Japanese, so good enough". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:13, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
::It's a real name. My name (Kiri) is also fairly rare, but other people have it.[[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 17:16, 30 January 2026 (EST)
::It's probably short for "Mikoto". --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 19:22, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miko Hahahahahahahahaha]. No doubt about it, she's going to get a different name in the Japanese dub. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:22, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
:I wouldn't think there would be official kanji, since it is an English cartoon. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:40, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
::仲代 as "Nakadai" is one possibility, the surname of Mikoto from [[wikipedia:Bakuryū Sentai Abaranger|Bakuryū Sentai Abaranger]]. There's also [[wikipedia:Tatsuya Nakadai|Tatsuya Nakadai]], who starred alongside Mifune in Kurosawa's ''Yojimbo''. 中臺 is another alternative. On "Miko", there's 美子 and 見子, although I think 美子 suits her more. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:34, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I just saw this and I've been using 仲代美子 for a long time.[[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 17:16, 30 January 2026 (EST)

== Notes ==

Jokie comments like in the last part are pointless and have no encyclopedic importance to this wiki whats so ever. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 22:15, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:[[Transformers Wiki:Policies#Humor]] --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:23, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::Point taken, you don't have to look at many pages to realize that, but comments like that aren't exactly "mainstream", not everyone is going to immediately understand the reference without bothering to go the links. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 02:19, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:::Anyone who doesn't know who Osamu Tezuka is should be flayed. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 02:24, 30 November 2010 (EST)
::::You're not required to get every joke in this Wiki. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:36, 30 November 2010 (EST)

== http://powerrangers.wikia.com/wiki/Mikoto_Nakadai ==

I just found it funny [[Special:Contributions/24.24.80.42|24.24.80.42]] 06:34, 28 February 2011 (EST)

Oh, it was already mentioned here

Nevermind~

== Mika? ==

In the titan rebranding, she was called Mika just FYI. --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.157.220|82.39.157.220]] 15:45, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

==captions==
The captions for this article are PRICELESS

Talk:Ravage (ES)

2024-01-17T09:52:39Z

CleverThylacine: Created page with "...no evidence of sentience, seriously? Clearly she is trusted by both Starscream and Soundwave to get jobs done, acting on her own. Why would you say that~~~~"

...no evidence of sentience, seriously?

Clearly she is trusted by both Starscream and Soundwave to get jobs done, acting on her own. Why would you say that[[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 04:52, 17 January 2024 (EST)

Talk:Fan fiction

2022-10-22T05:23:18Z

CleverThylacine: seriously, species?

I think calling Mosaic "official" for the purposes of this article is something of a stretch. There's an "it's not official" disclaimer at the bottom of every installment. We need different wording. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

:If Mosaic isn't official do Van Reyk and Knowler really qualify as fan fiction writers having made the jump to official media to begin with? Not to rib on these guys (they do great work on the project), just asking for the sake of the article's accuracy. --[[User:74.57.3.251|74.57.3.251]] 22:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC) ([[User:Detour|Detour at work]])

== Romance ==

What do you mean, scale doesn't matter and neither does "species"?

I'm hoping this person was talking about ships involving humans or other aliens when they wrote this--ships like TC/Marissa or Crankcase/Symbols. Because...

If we're talking about two Transformers, they are the SAME species, even if one of them has a beast mode and the other one is a music box! (and yes, before someone asks, I am the cleverThylacine who writes the RavWave stories) [[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 01:23, 22 October 2022 (EDT)

== Crossovers ==

"Crossovers. The other property used varies at times, and the quality of the story seems directly linked to the writer's skill and the second party used with the Transformers."

Uhhhh, isn't the quality of a story ALWAYS directly linked to the writer's skill? I would change it but I'm not really sure what this sentence is supposed to mean. Anybody want to take a crack at it? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:35, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
: Yeah, this article was full of redundant language. I pulled a lot of that out (Why add that this is a "fanfic favorite" WHEN THIS IS ALREADY A LIST OF FANFIC FAVORITES) and also yanked a few piggy-backed fanfic "genres" that I didn't think were really all that archetypical. Really? Are there that many fanfics where Transformers are babies? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::It seems to inspire a lot of "art" over at deviantart, don't know how much is written about it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:21, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, a list of typical fanart genres would be a lot different from a list of typical fanfic genres. They lend themselves to different topics. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:31, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::::From what I come across when looking for fanfic, I'd say there are enough babyfics (or otherwise very young children) to warrant a mention as category. They are not always about baby versions of the main cast though. Sometimes, they are the baby versions of OC's (children of canon characters then). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:05, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::I think that these stories and those of "TFs as humans" need to be readded. Perhaps as a single "humanized TFs" category? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:12, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

== Fan charecters ==

If you look at fan fictions you'll see that a lot of them actualy include made up charecters which the fan puts into the Transformer universe.
(Like, and I'm jus making this up, Megascream a hideous combination of Starscream and Megatron who has taken over the Decepticon forces.)
Maybe this goes in self insertion and maybe romance for some of them.

== Suggested change in wording ? ==

The current page on fanfiction appears exclusively negative towards fanfiction and the people that write it. The genres in place could also really use an overhaul, since many of the mentioned genres are better categorised under 'ALternate Universes'.

I have never edited a wiki before so I would like to know if it is okay to just ... begin, or if there's more i should be taking in mind.

User:CleverThylacine

2022-07-14T09:17:53Z

CleverThylacine:

'''cleverThylacine'''

Decepticon apologist, fanfiction writer, figure collector

My works at [https://archiveofourown.org/users/cleverThylacine AO3]

--[[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 14:02, 14 January 2021 (EST)

File talk:DrillhornAnimated-CAA.jpg

2022-07-14T09:16:03Z

CleverThylacine: Is that KO?

Am I imagining things, or is Knock Out not right behind Drillhorn--long before TFP ever came out? [[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 05:16, 14 July 2022 (EDT)

Fanon

2021-10-07T16:40:28Z

CleverThylacine: /* External links */ Removed Transfanon Wiki because it's just one group of people's fanon and not a general fanon resource.~~~~

'''Fanon''' is a portmanteau word formed from the words "[[fandom|fan]]" and "[[canon]]". It refers to so-called "facts" that a significant number of fans think are true, but for which there is no evidence in any official material. A piece of fanon usually becomes widespread due to having been discussed and picked up by other fans. Some fanon is based on misinterpretations of canon (especially when translations from Japanese material are involved) and some is simply stuff fans made up. While fanon originates with fans rather than the official canon of the ''Transformers'' [[Continuity|multiverse]], it sometimes becomes [[Canonizing|incorporated into the canon]] via [[retcon]] or other means if a writer decides to establish the fans' interpretation in official fiction. Sometimes, this can also happen because an official writer mistakes fanon for established canon.

Misuse of the term has broadened the word's definition (among some) to include fan-characters and [[fan fiction]]. (See "Transfanon Wiki" link below.) The difference is that fan-fiction is an ''extension'' built upon canon, while fanon is an ''interpretation'' or ''explanation'' of existing canon.

==Examples==
Fanon terms or ideas that later became canon:
*"Gestalt" as a term for [[combiner]]s
*The [[acid rain]]-creating team literally being named "[[Rainmaker]]s"
*The [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] being [[Quintesson]] creations
*[[Greatshot]] being an upgraded form of [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]
*[[Gaiacross]] being an upgraded form of [[Landcross (G1)|Landcross]]
*The name of the Predacon ship being the [[Darksyde (BW)|''Darkside'' or ''Darksyde'']]
*[[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] literally [[Unicron's Spawn|being affiliated]] with [[Unicron]]
*The [[Magnaboss (BW)|Magnaboss]] constituent trio of [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], and [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] being the Generation 1 characters of the same name
*The ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' and ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (cartoon)|Beast Wars Neo]]'' casts (sometimes) hailing from the same timeframe as the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' cast
*The [[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|''Armada'' beast redecoes]] being [[Unicron's Four Horsemen|Unicron's "horsemen"]]
*"[[Herald of Unicron]]"
*[[Subspace storage pocket|Subspace]] as an interdimensional storage medium
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] is crazy and craves [[JaAm|jam]]
*U-Haul Robot from the cartoon is [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]
*The large number of [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]s are due to them possessing [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] [[Insecticon clone|cloning abilities]]

Fanon terms or ideas that never became canon:
*[[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s being teamed up in pseudo-familial "trines"
*[[Dion (G1)|Dion]] having been rebuilt into somebody "important"
*[[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]] being a "[[zombie]]" [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], or [[cloning|cloned]] from a severed leg

==Fanon and this wiki==
{{SITENAME SHORT}} generally tries to avoid including fanon, until it becomes so widespread that excluding it is quixotic. Even then, however, fanon should be clearly identified as such. The best way to reference fanon in articles without interrupting the coverage of actual canon is to confine it to trivia notes sections (or, if ''really'' necessary, clearly marked notes within a paragraph.)

==External links==

*[[TVTropes:Fanon/Transformers|The Transformers Fanon page on TV Tropes]]

[[Category:Fandom]]

Talk:Speak, Memory: Part 1

2021-09-14T15:20:38Z

CleverThylacine: Glit conjectures

==Repeat Dialogue?==

Did anyone else notice this between pages 7-8? On page 7, when Skids mentioned he used to have a Matrix on his cheek, Froid responded, "''What happened? Did you lose your faith?''" On page 8, Velocity says the same thing to Cyclonus in panel 2, the second part of her three bubble dialogue at the bottom. I noticed it because it made almost no sense in context, unless it was a comment on the fan-theory connecting Tailgate's panic-burst to Cyclonus's spark energy curing his corata gravis. I have a print copy -- is it different in the digital copy? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:25, 24 December 2015 (EST)

==Glit at Grindcore==

Kiss Players Position Glit is said to have nearly faced execution at Megatron's hands for his insistence upon healing everyone who was wounded in a battle, including the Autobots, especially when it meant Decepticons had to wait. Megatron then threatened to remove his hands and the troops very nearly revolted. Glit fans widely believe that his assignment to Grindcore, even though he was a member of staff, not a prisoner, was a punishment for his merciful triage policies, and that Grindcore may also have been where he picked up his drinking problem, as it seems unlikely that Glit would have been able to handle the things that happened at Grindcore without self-medication. [[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 11:20, 14 September 2021 (EDT)

==Tetrahex Ripper==

Just wanted to point out that Sunder could be a reference to the 1800's serial killer, Jack the Ripper. Jack the Ripper was believed to have been a surgeon. {{unsigned|Nobleboivin}}

== Two left hands? ==

On page 11-last panel, you can see Rung being drawn with two left hands. {{unsigned|THChrist}}

:Add it to the "Art and technical errors" section, then. Also, sign your posts by putting four tildes, like this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:53, 29 December 2015 (EST)

== Kindle & Fervor ==

Are they meant to be based on anyone? They look like something you'd see in Brave -- [[User:Phantom|Phantom]] ([[User talk:Phantom|talk]]) 09:40, 7 January 2016 (EST)

Riptide (G1)

2021-08-18T08:01:49Z

CleverThylacine: Put Ravage's name in sentence, without which it didn't make sense. ~~~~

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig2|the Generation 1 Autobot|the ''Armada'' Autobot|Riptide (Armada)}}
:''Riptide is an [[Autobot]] [[Hydrobot (G1)|Hydrobot]] from the [[2005 IDW continuity|2005 IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[File:RiptideR.jpg|upright=1.33|thumb|Lady, running down to the riptide, taken away to the dark side]]
'''Riptide''' has never really been particularly smart or studious. Preferring to enjoy the simpler things in life, such as drinking at [[Swerve's]] and pulling pranks on his fellow 'bots, Riptide fits perfectly into the ''[[Lost Light]]<nowiki>'s</nowiki>'' already dysfunctional crew. He's also a bit of a chatterbox, especially when worried or scared.

==Fiction==
===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|''More Than Meets the Eye'' #28]]}}

Riptide was [[Reproduction|constructed cold]] as a [[M.T.O.]] in response to the [[Simanzi Massacre]], specifically to combat the [[Forced Flood]]. Back then, the ten-step program for new 'bots had been shortened to eight steps and never mind Simanzi, his big past trauma was the download packs he had to study and the revision and the pressure and oh god the exam which ''everyone else'' found easy. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}}

During the war, he became friends with [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] (and may or may not have known that he was Pipes' "type"). {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}} Hydrobot comrades included [[Aquabat]]. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} At some point in the war, he became moderately [[Chirolinguistics|chirolingual]], a Transformer 'sign language' of sorts. By the end of it, he'd developed an unreliable [[transformation cog]]. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}}

[[File:mtmte31 attention grieving masses.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|I wanna be your left hand man]]
Riptide was present when [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] and [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] purchased the ''[[Lost Light]]'' from a pair of [[NAIL]]s in [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]'s religious quarter. Suspicious of the original owners, Riptide offered to go back to get a receipt of sale but found the NAILs laughing about how they had sold a ship that contained a [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]]. In response Riptide attacked them but was instead knocked out for two days, preventing him from joining the original ''Lost Light'' crew. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}} Pipes would die thinking Riptide just hadn't been bothered to turn up after all. {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}}

He finally got a second chance to join up a few years later when the ''Lost Light'' briefly returned to Cybertron. As the ship prepared to get back to its mission, a disinterested Riptide was roped into helping [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] and [[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]] with his fake new crewmember interviews. He was also present for [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]]'s trial at [[Raskol Arena]]. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}}

Once on the ship, Crosscut gave him and fellow newbies [[Mirage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Mirage]] and [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] a tour that ended with [[Swerve's]]. Riptide took a bunch of photos of the place. {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}} He fell in with [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] and Nautica, and, wanting to set goals for himself, even risked the horrors of exams by going to Megatron's classes on the Knights. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} Those classes didn't make him like or trust Megatron any further, though five months in Riptide bet twenty [[shanix]] that Megatron would pretend to be reformed for at least another month. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}}

[[File:Nautica-mtmte-33-notagoodthing.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.2|I love you when you're singing that song and]]
Reading the ''[[Lost Light Insider]]'' at Swerve's, Riptide managed to convince [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]] to break into the Medbay and steal Megatron's "super fuel". When communications with the Forcefield Specialist broke down, Riptide brushed off Skids' concerns. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} Riptide began attending lectures held by Megatron, and when he was warned by Swerve that it was all a distraction while ol' Megs devised plans to conquer the universe, just responded that he needed that sort of life goals too. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} Not long afterwards when it became apparent that the ''Lost Light'' was disappearing around them, Riptide abandoned the ship along with twenty other 'bots aboard the [[Rodpod]], though his fellow escapees continued to vanish. As the crew tried to keep their minds off things, Riptide talked with Ammo about the terrible M.T.O. exams. After [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] worked out that those left behind were ''not'' part of the ''Lost Light'''s crew at launch, the Rodpod arrived at [[Ofsted XVII]] to find their ship, apparently broken in half. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}}

Upon boarding the shattered remains, the Lost Lighters were stunned to recognise their landing zone as Swerve's bar. Megatron enlisted the aid of stowaway [[Ravage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ravage]] to help look for survivors, and in response Riptide took to mocking the Decepticon feline, getting a few digs in when Ravage claimed to smell [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]] but instead turned up Minimus Ambus instead. Megatron chastised him for being so flippant in front of a dead body and Riptide felt sufficiently ashamed enough to apologise. He was later teamed with Skids and [[Getaway]] as they searched for clues, and was the first to discover a room full of dead Lost Lighters, all in their altmodes and missing their [[transformation cog]]s. When both Skids and Megatron reached the conclusion the Lost Light they were aboard had been attacked by the [[Decepticon Justice Division]], Riptide helped explain the group to Nautica, and hurriedly informed the team he'd repaired the Rodpod as the ''Lost Light'' shook. {{storylink|slaughterhouse}}

After Nautica mentioned the Lost Light's [[quantum generator|quantum drums]] floating in space, Riptide suggested that the profession just involved placing the word 'quantum' before other words. Nautica responded with a badly-executed joke, prompting him to remark on her failed effort. He later ended [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind's]] tale about the DJD's attack by noticing that the quantum foam outside of the ship was beginning to spread. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}}

[[File:riptide floats his boat.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.7|I got a lump in my throat 'cause you're gonna sing the words wrong]]
When [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] set out to change history, Riptide joined a team who followed him back through time to prevent this. Their first stop was in [[Alyon]] just before the war, where they helped [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]] defend a [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]] from the [[Senate]]. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays|All Our Parlous Yesterdays}} On their next stop further back in history, Riptide was assigned to patrol waterways in search of Brainstorm, but found nothing (and was very vocal about how boring it was). Moving on, the team was present at [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's]] for the bar brawl that led to Megatron's fateful arrest, during which Riptide saved [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] by throwing the [[time case]] at a guard trying to shoot him. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet|Stet}} They finally reached Brainstorm at his true goal—preventing the war by killing Megatron early on—and convinced him to stand down. Before returning to their own time, the team sent a message to their future selves to try to prevent other tragedies, with Riptide's contribution being a warning not to trust Brainstorm, but it didn't arrive in time. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}}

Riptide then attended the [[Lost Light Internal Legal Affairs Committee]]'s hearing to discuss what Brainstorm's punishment would be. When Brainstorm sarcastically asked who else had built a time machine, Riptide stood up with his hand raised before realising Brainstorm had said ''time'' machine. {{storylink|Our Steps Will Always Rhyme}}

During the "EarthDance" party held at [[Swerve's]], Riptide questioned [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] as to whether if he'd choose Megatron or [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]], though the context of the question is unclear. {{storylink|The Frail Gaze}} He came along on the trip to the [[Necroworld]], where he chatted with the [[Mortilus|Necrobot]] about his holographic flowers. {{storylink|The Not Knowing}} At some point, Riptide became a keyholder for [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]], occasionally locking up the [[Swerve's|bar]]. {{storylink|The Plotters' Club (Part 1): Full Circle|Full Circle}} While visiting the ''Lost Light'', [[Froid]] got Riptide to take him to Rung's office. ''[[Sunder (G1)|Thanks]]'', bro. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}}

[[File:HowBrightTheirFrailDeeds-LostLightmutiny.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|I love you when you're singing that song and I got a lump in my throat 'cause you gone and sank the world's wolf]]
Sometime over the course of the journey, Riptide began to take Megatron's discussion classes; he was an enthusiastic if average student. He was ''also'' asked by [[Getaway]] if he'd join a hypothetical mutiny against Megatron and Rodimus, and answered yes. On the same day he was told Megatron was ''very'' impressed with the work he'd put into a history essay (he'd still failed but Megs would explain why later!), that mutiny kicked off. Megatron, Rodimus, and assumed sympathisers, including Riptide's friends like Nautica, were tricked off ship and when Getaway wanted to rub in how big the mutiny was in a broadcast, a somber Riptide stood with him. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

Afterwards, Getaway and his co-conspirators participated in a team meeting regarding the [[Warren]]. They were interrupted by the "last will" transmission broadcast by the exiled crew, particularly Rodimus's part, in which he revealed (to the alarm of everyone present) that the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] had been set on them. Getaway quickly wiped the transmission mid-playback and ushered everyone except [[Atomizer]] and [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]] out, but Riptide continued to lurk just beyond the door, where he witnessed Getaway and Atomizer assault Thunderclash and wipe his mind with a [[nudge gun]]. Riptide fled, but Getaway pursued and shot him with the nudge gun as well. {{storylink|The Plotters' Club (Part 1): Full Circle|Full Circle}}

[[File:FillingInTheBlanks RiptideZingsGetaway.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|left|I just wanna, I just wanna know if you're gonna, if you're gonna stay]]
Though temporarily rendered comatose, Riptide was in fact unaffected by the gun's memory-erasing effect due to his low intelligence. Getaway was unaware Riptide still had his memory of the incident, and assumed that he had been affected by Sunder's remote memory manipulation like the rest of the crew. {{storylink|The Plotters' Club (Part 3): Journey's End|Journey's End}} When the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] returned and broke into ''Swerve's'' to discuss the crew's unusual behaviour, Riptide entered behind them and confessed the truth about the mutiny and Thunderclash's condition. When they were discovered by Getaway and a team of ship security, Riptide suckerpunched [[Powerflash]] and told the Protectobots to escape the ''Lost Light'' and contact [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The Plotters' Club (Part 1): Full Circle|Full Circle}} Riptide was subdued by Atomizer and brought before Getaway. Getaway taunted him with the fact that he'd never really been a part of the inner circle of those they'd abandoned, however Riptide claimed that Getaway was describing his own hurt. This bruised Getaway's ego, and so he took Riptide into the oil reservoir, primed his nudge gun to make Riptide forget how to transform and then shot him, leaving Riptide to fall into the [[scraplet]]-infested oil. {{storylink|The Plotters' Club (Part 2): Filling in the Blanks|Filling in the Blanks}}

[[File:JourneysEnd RiptideEmerges.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|right|I just gotta, I just gotta know, I can't have it, I can't have it any other way]]
Getaway waited thirty seconds for the scraplets to reduce Riptide to his [[life cord]] before leaving. But once again, the nudge gun failed to take: beneath the oil, Riptide had transformed into boat mode to evade the scraplets, and burst from the reservoir once he was alone. Lurking about the ''Lost Light'', he observed Getaway force Atomizer to murder [[Rook (Generations)|one of the Protectobots]] (having been captured before they could escape, and trapped in memory loops in the medibay alongside Thunderclash). When they left, Riptide woke [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] from his memory loop. The medic deduced Riptide's immunity to nudge guns, made a plan to escape the ship, and helped Riptide wake everyone else. After a quick trip to the morgue to pick up [[Ambulon]]'s corpse to serve as a replacement leg for [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]], the group attacked the shuttle bay.

The shuttle bay was occupied by Getaway and his security team, having been there to greet the ''Lost Light'''s new head of security, but they were no match for Defensor... until [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] stepped off the shuttle. While Riptide struggled with Powerflash, Star Saber made quick work of Thunderclash and Defensor. The only survivors, Riptide and First Aid were left trying to drag the wounded Thunderclash aboard the shuttle in the face of the approaching Star Saber, and were only saved when Atomizer had a sudden change of heart and incapacitated Star Saber with the nudge gun. Thanks to this intervention, Riptide, First Aid, and Thunderclash were able to board and escape, finally leaving the ''Lost Light'' behind. {{storylink|The Plotters' Club (Part 3): Journey's End|Journey's End}}

First Aid got Thunderclash fixed up on [[Troja Major]], and along the way Riptide picked up an A.S.O.S. from the long lost [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] commander [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. They also made contact with the blacksmith [[Wipe-Out]] who had a Q-class ship. Following a tracker left on the ''Lost Light'', they caught up at [[Mederi]] to find the crew had been turned into [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeaters]] and were menacing Rodimus and his unit. The groups teamed up, and Riptide helped First Aid, Ratchet, and the other doctors barricade themselves safely inside one of the medical facilities to look for a cure while Rodimus led a team to confront Getaway on the ''Lost Light'' itself. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 1): A Dance Before Dying|A Dance Before Dying}} First Aid was successful, and the Sparkeaters were reverted to normal. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 2): Lūstrāre|Lūstrāre}} Everyone regrouped aboard the retaken ''Lost Light'', as Riptide loaded his injured comrades onto the ship. They were confronted by the sheer scale of the [[Adaptus|Grand Architect]]'s schemes, a mysterious figure Getaway had thrown in with after discovering Cyberutopia was a sham. Riptide and the rest brought the ''Lost Light'' aboard the Architect's [[Worldsweeper]] as he continued to rend threadbare space with the [[God Gun]]. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 3): Farsickness|Farsickness}}

[[File:ASparkAmongEmbers RiptideMatrix.jpg|thumb|upright=1.55|left|I swear she's destined for the screen]]
Riptide and most of the others were extracted from the Grand Architect's Worldsweeper by the exiled Megatron, who had returned from the [[Functionist Universe]] through the rift created by the God Gun. Brought aboard his ship, the ''[[Last Light (ship)|Last Light]]'', Riptide and the others now had to find a way to deal with Megatron's pursuers- the [[Functionist Council]] and their Cybertron, converted from planet form into a giant avatar of [[Primus]]. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 4): The Return of the King|The Return of the King}} After returning to the ''Lost Light'', Riptide mostly stood around on the bridge as various important revelations were made and plans were formulated. He inquired of the [[Epistemus|Magnificence]] why the [[Omega Guardian|Omega Guardians]] couldn't step in and handle Functionist Primus, but there were no easy answers forthcoming. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 5): The Unremembering|The Unremembering}} A plan was hatched to defeat Functionist Primus and Riptide was assigned an important role in it. After [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] was revealed as the true Primus and capable of creating multiple [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrices]], Riptide was of the few chosen as a potential wielder of one. He was dispatched to [[Alyon]] on Functionist Cybertron to open his Matrix and overload the [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]] there. [[Nickel]] and [[Fulcrum]] accompanied Riptide as his defenders as the Functionist Council threw all their forces at the ''Lost Lighters''. At first Riptide, nor anyone, could open their respective Matrices but after a pep talk from Rodimus, he summoned the necessary will to accomplish his task. Ultimately, the Functionist Council was defeated and the day was saved. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 6): A Spark Among Embers|A Spark Among Embers}}

Riptide went along on the ''Lost Light'' 's final "lap of honor" and was quantum duplicated with the rest of the crew so that one version of them could go on further adventures in another universe. After returning to Cybertron, he attended the farewell party in [[Swerve's]] and reminisced on the ''Lost Light'''s journey over the "Matrix map" etched on Rodimus' desk.

Far in the future, Riptide attended [[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]]'s funeral. {{storylink|How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
Riptide attended an illegal [[skitter]] race at [[Swindle's]]. {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons: Swindle's|Swindle's}}

{{--}}

==Notes==
[[File:RiptideV.jpg|thumb|Closest thing to Michelle Pfeiffer that you've ever seen, oh]]
*Riptide's robot and vehicle modes were revealed by [[Alex Milne]] on Twitter on [[March 29]], [[2014]].
*Milne partially based Riptide's color scheme on the clothing of the Water Tribe from television series ''{{w|Avatar: The Last Airbender}}''.<ref>[https://twitter.com/markerguru/status/461186317179572227?lang=en Twitter post by Alex Milne on 29 April, 2014]</ref>
*[[James Roberts]] said the mutineers shown in "The Dying of the Light (1)" were deliberately "B-listers you know and like and trust" for impact, and singled Riptide out as someone chosen because he'd once been a 'main' guy.<ref>[http://www.orbitalcomics.com/orbital-directors-commentary-james-roberts-on-transformers-mtmte-50-audio/ Orbital Director’s Commentary – James Roberts on Transformers: MTMTE #50! - Track #1 54:15 to 55:11]</ref>
*[[Twenty Plus One|''More than Meets the Eye'' #31]] gives him a vitreous-positive sparktype.

==References==
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[[Category:IDW (2005) Autobots]]
[[Category:IDW (2019) Transformers]]
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Speak, Memory: Part 1

2021-05-10T18:09:12Z

CleverThylacine: /* Transformers references */

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|title="Speak, Memory: Part 1"
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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[December 23]], [[2015]]
|coverdate=December 2015
|written by=[[James Roberts]]
|pencils by=[[Hayato Sakamoto]]
|colors by=[[Joana Lafuente]]
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|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[2005 IDW continuity|IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[2005 IDW timeline|Current era (2015)]]
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'''Rung's attempts to help Skids safely recover his lost memories are threatened by the unexpected return of Froid.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Mtmte 48 grindcore.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6|This is how Decepticons do conga lines.]]
In session with [[Rung (G1)|Rung]], [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] helps the psychotherapist rebuild one of his model kits while trying to recall more of his missing memories. With Rung's aid, he is able to remember the time when an "[[anti-personal mine]]" he was attempting to defuse—a landmine built out of a living Transformer—exploded and knocked him offline, allowing him to be captured by a [[Decepticon]] "[[hygiene team]]" and taken to the legendary [[Grindcore (prison)|Grindcore prison]]. He recalls the gruesome installation of a transformation-inhibiting "[[inhibitor spike|mouth flower]]", but his memories begin to sputter out just before he can remember the identity of his cellmate. Rung congratulates him on a job well done and calls an end to the session, replacing the completed model kit on his shelf; Skids suggests that he should get some ''new'' models, but Rung explains that he only collects models of ships he has served on (justifying his model of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark-1]]'' by noting he was recalled from the crew by the [[Senate]] at the last minute). Just before Skids leaves, [[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] knocks on the door to inform Rung he has a ''very'' unexpected visitor: his old rival, [[Froid]], who Rung believed to be dead! Skids compliments Froid's set of [[Primal Beads]], and leaves the two to get reacquainted.

In the ''[[Lost Light]]'' medibay, the surprisingly-still-alive [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] receives a report on [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]'s condition from [[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]], who explains that the little 'bot has been left comatose after his spark sent a wave of energy throughout the ship, which has succeeded in awakening [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]] from his own coma. [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] offers his apologies for lashing out at Tailgate, while [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] tells him that they have arrested [[Getaway]] and [[Atomizer]] for their crimes. Cyclonus is puzzled as to how they learned the pair were responsible, and Rodimus reveals he had [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] [[mnemosurgery|mnemosurgically]] obtain the information from the unconscious Tailgate—something that both Megatron and Cyclonus question the ethics of.

A tense conversation between Rung and Froid establishes that the last time they spoke was on the day [[Sunder (G1)|Sunder]], a rogue mnemosurgeon turned serial killer known as the "Tetrahex Ripper", was arrested, along with his brother [[Sceptre]]. Fascinated by the case, Froid had been aboard the prison ship taking Sunder to [[Garrus 6]] when the two brothers escaped their cells and took him hostage, fleeing the vessel in a shuttle. The shuttle was destroyed and Sceptre died, but Froid escaped and settled on [[Scarvix]], where he has allegedly become something of a local celebrity. Tiring of his passive-aggressive remarks, Rung demands to know why Froid has come to the ''Lost Light''; Froid requests to look through Rung's case files, but Rung refuses, citing both doctor-patient confidentiality and Froid's tendency toward plagiarism. But Froid doesn't take no for an answer, insinuating he knows a secret about Rung's past that ''might just'' come to light if Rung doesn't acquiesce...

Down in the ship's [[oil]] reservoir, Skids tries to recall more of his time in Grindcore. With a little effort, he is able to remember that his cellmate was [[Quark]], and recalls how he removed his "mouth flower" thanks to his super-learning abilities. Quark warned him against publicly displaying such skills and told him a little about the prison and how they used to pipe music in, at which point they discovered that the prison's commandant had been listening at the door...

Rung continues to refuse Froid's request and escorts him back to his ship in the shuttle bay, where the two guards [[Kindle]] and [[Fervor]] are only too happy to see Froid leave. Rung is puzzled by their remarks, but soon discovers the reason behind them: Sunder is a prisoner aboard Froid's ship! Froid delights in explaining that he has been helping Sunder work through the loss of his brother, but Rung fears that Froid is too close to his patient. Froid scoffs at the accusation: who is Rung to talk about such things, given the secret Froid knows about him—the fact that, while serving aboard the ''[[Fateful Archetype]]'', ''Rung'' became too close to a patient and was disbarred from practising medicine by the ship's tribunal. But then the ''Archetype'' was shot down, leaving Rung as the sole survivor, able to pretend the verdict had never been given—something he had once confessed to Froid back when they were still friends. At Froid's instruction, Sunder lifts his head up to look at them, revealing a pair of eyeless sockets; Froid explains that he has removed Sunder's eyes because he is capable of remote mnemosurgery via eye-contact. Sunder feeds on repressed memories, and Froid hasn't just been helping him deal with the loss of his brother... he keeps him ''fed''. With Rung having refused to let Froid see his files so he could select some new victims, Froid intends to make Rung himself Sunder's next meal. Fortunately, Skids arrives at just that moment, having been sent a message by Rung via a remote upload of Skids's case notes. Froid rips the "Primal Beads" from around his neck and tosses them toward Sunder: in truth, they are not beads, but the murderer's plucked-out eyes! Sunder inserts them back into his sockets, and turns his unholy ability against the two Autobots, starting with Skids...

...whose memories race back to Grindcore once again, right where they left off, and the door of his cell opens to reveal that the prison commandant is [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]]!!

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.) 
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Rung (G1)|Rung]] (1)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (2)
*''[[Heavy Tread]]'' (3)
*''[[Rev-Tone]]'' (6)
*[[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] (15, voice only)
*[[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] (17)
*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (19)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] (20)
*[[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] (21)
*''[[Getaway]]'' (22)
*''[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]]'' (23)
*''[[Atomizer]]'' (24)
*[[Sunder (G1)|Sunder]] (25)
*''[[Quark]]'' (26)
*[[Kindle]] (27)
*[[Fervor]] (28)
|c2=
*''[[Charger]]'' (4)
*''[[Glit (KP)|Glit]]'' (5)
*''[[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]]/[[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]]''? (see Notes, 7)
*''[[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]]'' (8)
*''[[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]]'' (9)
*''[[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]]'' (10)
*''[[Octus (G1)|Octus]]'' (11)
*''[[Take-Off]] (12)
*''[[Flywheels]]'' (13)
*''[[Stalker (G1)|Stalker]]'' (14)
*''[[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]]'' (29)
|c4=
*[[Froid]] (16)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] (18)
}}

==Quotes==
"No one loves the '''moral high ground''' as much as you. Wouldn't it be '''awful''' if you had to '''vacate''' it after all this time?"
:—'''Froid''' threatens Rung

"After his arrest, Sunder took his skills to the next level: '''remote mnemosurgery.''' He can access your memories just by '''looking at you.''' He says memories have a '''flavor'''—the '''darker''' the memory, the '''sweeter''' the taste. And the sweetest ones are the ones we lock away. The ones we '''bury.'''"
:—'''Froid'''

"'''Look''' at you all! So '''young'''! So thin-winged and bow-legged and blood-warm and '''new.''' And me... a mess of '''angles''' and '''frequencies''' of '''sour light''' and '''brown noise''' and—oh! The '''smell''' of you! You '''stink of sin.''' You '''reek''' of what you've done—and what you'd do '''again''' if only you could overcome the '''shame''' of it all."
:—'''Sunder'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Skids notes that his capture occurred not long after the oft-mentioned [[Simanzi Massacre]]; he is able to recall this fact because he can remember that "the ground still burned [his] feet." Among the many tidbits we've learned about the Simanzi Massacre was that it caused the planet to become superheated, and that it took years for it to cool back down, as recounted by Megatron in [[The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|issue #27]].
*There's a 'bot among the Decepticons at Grindcore who is drawn with the body design of [[Dreadwing (G2)|''Generation 2'' Dreadwing]] from [[Drift issue 1|''Drift'' #1]], but colored like [[Dreadwind (G1)|Generation 1 Dreadwin'''''d''''']]. With the similarity of their names, it's very easy to imagine a mix-up happening, but it's impossible to tell whether he's supposed to be the former character mistakenly colored like the latter, or the latter character deliberately sharing a body-type with the former.
*Most of the Decepticons at Grindcore who have previously appeared in present-day stories in IDW continuity are ones who died in those stories. [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] and [[Stalker (G1)|Stalker]] died in ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]''; [[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]] met his end in [[Stormbringer issue 3|''Stormbringer'' #3]]; and [[Flywheels]] ate it in [[Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|''More Than Meets the Eye'' #8]]. [[Charger]] and [[Take-Off]] have only appeared previously in the set-in-the-past ''[[The Transformers: Drift|Drift]]'' mini-series as [[Turmoil]]'s troops, where Dreadwing first appeared (conversely, if he's supposed to be Dreadwin''d'', he's also dead in the present day, as of [[All His Engines|issue #7]] of the [[The Transformers (IDW)|2009-2011 ongoing series]]). It was also in the ''Drift'' mini-series that a corpse that ''might'' have been [[Glit (KP)|Glit]] showed up, but that was an Easter-egg reference to [[Ravage (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Ravage]] and might not count for much. [[Octus (G1)|Octus]] and [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]] have not appeared in the IDW continuity before.
*Grindcore prison makes its first on-panel appearance after being mentioned in several previous issues.
*Flywheels has a set of Primal Beads, in-keeping with the religiosity he showed during his previous appearances in the series.
*The drill attachment that Stalker deploys from his wrist looks like a portable version of the [[endoscopic claw]] he'll use to torture [[Twin Twist]] in ''[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4]]''.
*As pointed out in a footnote, Chromedome discovered Skids's repressed memories and refused to unearth them in issue #8. The one thing Skids learned in that issue was that the song stuck in his head was "[[The Empyrean Suite]]", which is about to take on greater meaning...
*The ''Lost Light'' now has a [[transwarp|subspace]] hatch in medibay, which is how Skids suggests Rung get some new models sent over. The existence of this hatch was concurrently established by ''[[The Transformers Holiday Special]]'', released the same day as this issue.
*Froid's rise in popularity and the accompanying dwindling of Rung's reputation were previously remarked on in the prose story, "[[Signal to Noise]]", as was Froid's apparent death.
*Back in [[The Sensuous Frame|issue #41]], [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] related how Rung had made a comment about the authorship of Froid's work "Conflict of Interest: Psychotherapy and Perpetual War" which she interpreted as an inference that Rung had ghost-written it. Given Rung's remark here, it seems much more likely that he was actually implying that ''Froid'' had plagiarized it from ''him''.
*We learned that Quark was incarcerated at Grindcore in [[Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|issue #38]].
*Quark tells Skids that music used to be played in Grindcore, at which point Tarn arrives and mentions that is it only played when they have something to celebrate. With these twin revelations, it becomes apparent that the music must be the "The Empyrean Suite", "theme song" of the [[Decepticon Justice Division]], and that his experiences in Grindcore are the reason that Skids had the song in his head. The tune had already implied a connection between Skids and Tarn that [[The Permanent Revolution|issue #39]] confirmed...
*Note that Tarn's name is 'censored' in the flashbacks. This is partly to build up his appearance. It's also because he's still using his real name and, as we'll learn [[The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|in issue #55]], Skids actually knows 'Tarn' from back in the day.

===Transformers references===
*The Transformer in the anti-personal mine is (was!) named [[Heavytread (disambiguation)|Heavy Tread]], a name shared by several 'bots. It's hard to know if Roberts had a specific one in mind when he wrote the scene, but Sakamoto has drawn the [[Heavy Tread|Micromaster Heavy Tread]], though he has a different color scheme to his original toy.
*Glit is a battlefield surgeon so it makes sense for him to show up as part of a POW-roundup squad. He's also supposed to be compassionate to all, so, er, whoops. (On the other hand, he did deeply irritate Megatron by treating POWs and fallen enemies; perhaps he got sent to work at Grindcore as an ironic sort of punishment.)
*The Decepticons at Grindcore are all wielding the trident weapon that came with the 2010 [[Terradive (TF 2010)|Terradive]] toy.
*The prison [[Garrus 6]] follows the naming scheme of the IDW prisons [[Garrus-1]] and [[Garrus-9]] as well as the extra-continuity [[Garrus-7]] and [[Garrus-16]], but with no hyphen.

===Real-life references===
*This two-parter takes its title from the {{w|Vladimir Nabokov}} novel, ''{{w|Speak, Memory}}''.
*Given that Rung served aboard it, the ''Fateful Archetype'' may take its name from the concept of {{w|Jungian archetypes}}.
*Sunder's nickname harkens to the notorious {{w|Peter Sutcliffe}}, the "Yorkshire Ripper".

===Errors===
*Page 1: "A explosive device" should be "an explosive device." This is fixed in the trade.
*Page 2, panel 2: "And the I remember" should be "And then I remember". Not fixed in the trade.
*In the final panel of page 4, there's a word balloon mix-up, with a conversation clearly meant to be between two people depicted as a three-way conversation. This is fixed in the trade.
*In the last panel of page 5, Skids says "You should treat yourself to some new [model ships]" and Rung, as if answering a question, replies "Because I only collect ships on which I've '''served'''". Perhaps Skids was supposed to ask, "Why not treat yourself to some new ones?"
*Both of Cyclonus's horns are intact in this story, when a chunk got blasted off one the climax of the previous issue. We wouldn't normally draw attention to something quite so inconsequential—it's just a product of two artists drawing the two separate issues and choosing to represent the precise extent of Cyclonus's damage differently—but it stands out due to fact previous story points have prominently focused on Cyclonus's horns and his [[Clavis Aurea|religious stance]] on replacing body parts. And yeah, it was his ''original'' horn that got damaged, not Tailgate's replacement!
*Froid's line to Skids about losing his faith on page 7 is repeated on page 8 in Velocity's dialogue to Cyclonus. This error is absent from the digital edition, and is fixed in the trade.
*Page 9: One of Cyclonus's word balloons has its left edge sliced off. This is fixed in the trade.
*Skids's Matrix [[tattoo]] is missing its "handles" on the final page.

===Trivia===
*According to Roberts, the gold Autobot who Stalker drills a mouth into is named Rev-Tone, a character from Roberts' ''Eugenesis'' fan-fiction novel (which Quark's name originates from as well).<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-author-james-roberts-answers-even-more-fan-questions-on-twitter/34509/ James Roberts Answers Even More Fan Question On Twitter]</ref>

===Soundtrack===
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOBS0RNN-Sk Take Back the Days]" by {{w|East River Pipe}}<ref>[https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/676566971668803584 James Roberts on Twitter]</ref>
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjs5vkX3JGg You or Your Memory]" by {{w|the Mountain Goats}}<ref>[https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/676569919706652676 James Roberts on Twitter]</ref>

===Covers (3)===
*'''Regular cover:''' The battered and bound Skids is led into the horrors of Grindcore, by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
*'''Subscription cover:''' Ten gets into body-painting, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
*'''Retailer incentive cover:''' Ultra Magnus, Swerve, Tailgate, Nightbeat, Getaway, and Velocity, by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]; part of a series of variant covers "counting down" to the release of the 50th issues of ''The Transformers'' and ''More than Meets the Eye'' in February 2016.

<gallery>
File:MTMTE48 regcvr.jpg|Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.
File:MTMTE48 subcvr.jpg|Do you want my body, don't you think I'm sexy?
File:MTMTE48 cvrRI.jpg|I smell a traitor in the midst.
</gallery>

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:*Contains [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] issues [[The Transgressors|#44]] to [[The Nothing Man|#45]], ''More than Meets the Eye'' issues #45 to #49, [[The Transformers: Windblade|''Windblade'' vol. 2]] issues [[Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|#6]] to [[The Will of the Few|#7]], the ''[[The Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers|Sins of the Wreckers]]'' miniseries, the ''[[An Uneventful Night|Combiner Hunters]]'' one-shot and "[[Choose Me]]" and "[[The Thirteenth Day of Christmas]]" from ''[[The Transformers Holiday Special]]''.

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File:MTMTE vol9.jpg|'''Volume 9'''; cover art by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v66.jpg|'''''Definitive G1 Collection: Volume 66: Speak, Memory'''''; cover art by [[Dan Khanna]] (Getaway) and [[Hayato Sakamoto]] (retro)
File:IDWCollectionP2V10.jpg|'''''The IDW Collection Phase Two: Vol. 10'''''; cover art by [[Marcelo Matere]]
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.newsarama.com/27244-skids-goes-grindcore-in-transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-48-preview.html Preview]

Speak, Memory: Part 1

2021-05-10T18:08:44Z

CleverThylacine: /* Transformers references */

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'''Rung's attempts to help Skids safely recover his lost memories are threatened by the unexpected return of Froid.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Mtmte 48 grindcore.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6|This is how Decepticons do conga lines.]]
In session with [[Rung (G1)|Rung]], [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] helps the psychotherapist rebuild one of his model kits while trying to recall more of his missing memories. With Rung's aid, he is able to remember the time when an "[[anti-personal mine]]" he was attempting to defuse—a landmine built out of a living Transformer—exploded and knocked him offline, allowing him to be captured by a [[Decepticon]] "[[hygiene team]]" and taken to the legendary [[Grindcore (prison)|Grindcore prison]]. He recalls the gruesome installation of a transformation-inhibiting "[[inhibitor spike|mouth flower]]", but his memories begin to sputter out just before he can remember the identity of his cellmate. Rung congratulates him on a job well done and calls an end to the session, replacing the completed model kit on his shelf; Skids suggests that he should get some ''new'' models, but Rung explains that he only collects models of ships he has served on (justifying his model of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark-1]]'' by noting he was recalled from the crew by the [[Senate]] at the last minute). Just before Skids leaves, [[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] knocks on the door to inform Rung he has a ''very'' unexpected visitor: his old rival, [[Froid]], who Rung believed to be dead! Skids compliments Froid's set of [[Primal Beads]], and leaves the two to get reacquainted.

In the ''[[Lost Light]]'' medibay, the surprisingly-still-alive [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] receives a report on [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]'s condition from [[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]], who explains that the little 'bot has been left comatose after his spark sent a wave of energy throughout the ship, which has succeeded in awakening [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]] from his own coma. [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] offers his apologies for lashing out at Tailgate, while [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] tells him that they have arrested [[Getaway]] and [[Atomizer]] for their crimes. Cyclonus is puzzled as to how they learned the pair were responsible, and Rodimus reveals he had [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] [[mnemosurgery|mnemosurgically]] obtain the information from the unconscious Tailgate—something that both Megatron and Cyclonus question the ethics of.

A tense conversation between Rung and Froid establishes that the last time they spoke was on the day [[Sunder (G1)|Sunder]], a rogue mnemosurgeon turned serial killer known as the "Tetrahex Ripper", was arrested, along with his brother [[Sceptre]]. Fascinated by the case, Froid had been aboard the prison ship taking Sunder to [[Garrus 6]] when the two brothers escaped their cells and took him hostage, fleeing the vessel in a shuttle. The shuttle was destroyed and Sceptre died, but Froid escaped and settled on [[Scarvix]], where he has allegedly become something of a local celebrity. Tiring of his passive-aggressive remarks, Rung demands to know why Froid has come to the ''Lost Light''; Froid requests to look through Rung's case files, but Rung refuses, citing both doctor-patient confidentiality and Froid's tendency toward plagiarism. But Froid doesn't take no for an answer, insinuating he knows a secret about Rung's past that ''might just'' come to light if Rung doesn't acquiesce...

Down in the ship's [[oil]] reservoir, Skids tries to recall more of his time in Grindcore. With a little effort, he is able to remember that his cellmate was [[Quark]], and recalls how he removed his "mouth flower" thanks to his super-learning abilities. Quark warned him against publicly displaying such skills and told him a little about the prison and how they used to pipe music in, at which point they discovered that the prison's commandant had been listening at the door...

Rung continues to refuse Froid's request and escorts him back to his ship in the shuttle bay, where the two guards [[Kindle]] and [[Fervor]] are only too happy to see Froid leave. Rung is puzzled by their remarks, but soon discovers the reason behind them: Sunder is a prisoner aboard Froid's ship! Froid delights in explaining that he has been helping Sunder work through the loss of his brother, but Rung fears that Froid is too close to his patient. Froid scoffs at the accusation: who is Rung to talk about such things, given the secret Froid knows about him—the fact that, while serving aboard the ''[[Fateful Archetype]]'', ''Rung'' became too close to a patient and was disbarred from practising medicine by the ship's tribunal. But then the ''Archetype'' was shot down, leaving Rung as the sole survivor, able to pretend the verdict had never been given—something he had once confessed to Froid back when they were still friends. At Froid's instruction, Sunder lifts his head up to look at them, revealing a pair of eyeless sockets; Froid explains that he has removed Sunder's eyes because he is capable of remote mnemosurgery via eye-contact. Sunder feeds on repressed memories, and Froid hasn't just been helping him deal with the loss of his brother... he keeps him ''fed''. With Rung having refused to let Froid see his files so he could select some new victims, Froid intends to make Rung himself Sunder's next meal. Fortunately, Skids arrives at just that moment, having been sent a message by Rung via a remote upload of Skids's case notes. Froid rips the "Primal Beads" from around his neck and tosses them toward Sunder: in truth, they are not beads, but the murderer's plucked-out eyes! Sunder inserts them back into his sockets, and turns his unholy ability against the two Autobots, starting with Skids...

...whose memories race back to Grindcore once again, right where they left off, and the door of his cell opens to reveal that the prison commandant is [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]]!!

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.) 
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Rung (G1)|Rung]] (1)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (2)
*''[[Heavy Tread]]'' (3)
*''[[Rev-Tone]]'' (6)
*[[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] (15, voice only)
*[[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] (17)
*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (19)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] (20)
*[[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] (21)
*''[[Getaway]]'' (22)
*''[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]]'' (23)
*''[[Atomizer]]'' (24)
*[[Sunder (G1)|Sunder]] (25)
*''[[Quark]]'' (26)
*[[Kindle]] (27)
*[[Fervor]] (28)
|c2=
*''[[Charger]]'' (4)
*''[[Glit (KP)|Glit]]'' (5)
*''[[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]]/[[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]]''? (see Notes, 7)
*''[[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]]'' (8)
*''[[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]]'' (9)
*''[[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]]'' (10)
*''[[Octus (G1)|Octus]]'' (11)
*''[[Take-Off]] (12)
*''[[Flywheels]]'' (13)
*''[[Stalker (G1)|Stalker]]'' (14)
*''[[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]]'' (29)
|c4=
*[[Froid]] (16)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] (18)
}}

==Quotes==
"No one loves the '''moral high ground''' as much as you. Wouldn't it be '''awful''' if you had to '''vacate''' it after all this time?"
:—'''Froid''' threatens Rung

"After his arrest, Sunder took his skills to the next level: '''remote mnemosurgery.''' He can access your memories just by '''looking at you.''' He says memories have a '''flavor'''—the '''darker''' the memory, the '''sweeter''' the taste. And the sweetest ones are the ones we lock away. The ones we '''bury.'''"
:—'''Froid'''

"'''Look''' at you all! So '''young'''! So thin-winged and bow-legged and blood-warm and '''new.''' And me... a mess of '''angles''' and '''frequencies''' of '''sour light''' and '''brown noise''' and—oh! The '''smell''' of you! You '''stink of sin.''' You '''reek''' of what you've done—and what you'd do '''again''' if only you could overcome the '''shame''' of it all."
:—'''Sunder'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Skids notes that his capture occurred not long after the oft-mentioned [[Simanzi Massacre]]; he is able to recall this fact because he can remember that "the ground still burned [his] feet." Among the many tidbits we've learned about the Simanzi Massacre was that it caused the planet to become superheated, and that it took years for it to cool back down, as recounted by Megatron in [[The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|issue #27]].
*There's a 'bot among the Decepticons at Grindcore who is drawn with the body design of [[Dreadwing (G2)|''Generation 2'' Dreadwing]] from [[Drift issue 1|''Drift'' #1]], but colored like [[Dreadwind (G1)|Generation 1 Dreadwin'''''d''''']]. With the similarity of their names, it's very easy to imagine a mix-up happening, but it's impossible to tell whether he's supposed to be the former character mistakenly colored like the latter, or the latter character deliberately sharing a body-type with the former.
*Most of the Decepticons at Grindcore who have previously appeared in present-day stories in IDW continuity are ones who died in those stories. [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]] and [[Stalker (G1)|Stalker]] died in ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]''; [[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]] met his end in [[Stormbringer issue 3|''Stormbringer'' #3]]; and [[Flywheels]] ate it in [[Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|''More Than Meets the Eye'' #8]]. [[Charger]] and [[Take-Off]] have only appeared previously in the set-in-the-past ''[[The Transformers: Drift|Drift]]'' mini-series as [[Turmoil]]'s troops, where Dreadwing first appeared (conversely, if he's supposed to be Dreadwin''d'', he's also dead in the present day, as of [[All His Engines|issue #7]] of the [[The Transformers (IDW)|2009-2011 ongoing series]]). It was also in the ''Drift'' mini-series that a corpse that ''might'' have been [[Glit (KP)|Glit]] showed up, but that was an Easter-egg reference to [[Ravage (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Ravage]] and might not count for much. [[Octus (G1)|Octus]] and [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]] have not appeared in the IDW continuity before.
*Grindcore prison makes its first on-panel appearance after being mentioned in several previous issues.
*Flywheels has a set of Primal Beads, in-keeping with the religiosity he showed during his previous appearances in the series.
*The drill attachment that Stalker deploys from his wrist looks like a portable version of the [[endoscopic claw]] he'll use to torture [[Twin Twist]] in ''[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4]]''.
*As pointed out in a footnote, Chromedome discovered Skids's repressed memories and refused to unearth them in issue #8. The one thing Skids learned in that issue was that the song stuck in his head was "[[The Empyrean Suite]]", which is about to take on greater meaning...
*The ''Lost Light'' now has a [[transwarp|subspace]] hatch in medibay, which is how Skids suggests Rung get some new models sent over. The existence of this hatch was concurrently established by ''[[The Transformers Holiday Special]]'', released the same day as this issue.
*Froid's rise in popularity and the accompanying dwindling of Rung's reputation were previously remarked on in the prose story, "[[Signal to Noise]]", as was Froid's apparent death.
*Back in [[The Sensuous Frame|issue #41]], [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] related how Rung had made a comment about the authorship of Froid's work "Conflict of Interest: Psychotherapy and Perpetual War" which she interpreted as an inference that Rung had ghost-written it. Given Rung's remark here, it seems much more likely that he was actually implying that ''Froid'' had plagiarized it from ''him''.
*We learned that Quark was incarcerated at Grindcore in [[Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|issue #38]].
*Quark tells Skids that music used to be played in Grindcore, at which point Tarn arrives and mentions that is it only played when they have something to celebrate. With these twin revelations, it becomes apparent that the music must be the "The Empyrean Suite", "theme song" of the [[Decepticon Justice Division]], and that his experiences in Grindcore are the reason that Skids had the song in his head. The tune had already implied a connection between Skids and Tarn that [[The Permanent Revolution|issue #39]] confirmed...
*Note that Tarn's name is 'censored' in the flashbacks. This is partly to build up his appearance. It's also because he's still using his real name and, as we'll learn [[The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|in issue #55]], Skids actually knows 'Tarn' from back in the day.

===Transformers references===
*The Transformer in the anti-personal mine is (was!) named [[Heavytread (disambiguation)|Heavy Tread]], a name shared by several 'bots. It's hard to know if Roberts had a specific one in mind when he wrote the scene, but Sakamoto has drawn the [[Heavy Tread|Micromaster Heavy Tread]], though he has a different color scheme to his original toy.
*Glit is a battlefield surgeon so it makes sense for him to show up as part of a POW-roundup squad. He's also supposed to be compassionate to all, so, er, whoops. (On the other hand, he did deeply irritate Megatron by treating POWs and fallen enemies; perhaps he got sent to Grindcore as an ironic sort of punishment.)
*The Decepticons at Grindcore are all wielding the trident weapon that came with the 2010 [[Terradive (TF 2010)|Terradive]] toy.
*The prison [[Garrus 6]] follows the naming scheme of the IDW prisons [[Garrus-1]] and [[Garrus-9]] as well as the extra-continuity [[Garrus-7]] and [[Garrus-16]], but with no hyphen.

===Real-life references===
*This two-parter takes its title from the {{w|Vladimir Nabokov}} novel, ''{{w|Speak, Memory}}''.
*Given that Rung served aboard it, the ''Fateful Archetype'' may take its name from the concept of {{w|Jungian archetypes}}.
*Sunder's nickname harkens to the notorious {{w|Peter Sutcliffe}}, the "Yorkshire Ripper".

===Errors===
*Page 1: "A explosive device" should be "an explosive device." This is fixed in the trade.
*Page 2, panel 2: "And the I remember" should be "And then I remember". Not fixed in the trade.
*In the final panel of page 4, there's a word balloon mix-up, with a conversation clearly meant to be between two people depicted as a three-way conversation. This is fixed in the trade.
*In the last panel of page 5, Skids says "You should treat yourself to some new [model ships]" and Rung, as if answering a question, replies "Because I only collect ships on which I've '''served'''". Perhaps Skids was supposed to ask, "Why not treat yourself to some new ones?"
*Both of Cyclonus's horns are intact in this story, when a chunk got blasted off one the climax of the previous issue. We wouldn't normally draw attention to something quite so inconsequential—it's just a product of two artists drawing the two separate issues and choosing to represent the precise extent of Cyclonus's damage differently—but it stands out due to fact previous story points have prominently focused on Cyclonus's horns and his [[Clavis Aurea|religious stance]] on replacing body parts. And yeah, it was his ''original'' horn that got damaged, not Tailgate's replacement!
*Froid's line to Skids about losing his faith on page 7 is repeated on page 8 in Velocity's dialogue to Cyclonus. This error is absent from the digital edition, and is fixed in the trade.
*Page 9: One of Cyclonus's word balloons has its left edge sliced off. This is fixed in the trade.
*Skids's Matrix [[tattoo]] is missing its "handles" on the final page.

===Trivia===
*According to Roberts, the gold Autobot who Stalker drills a mouth into is named Rev-Tone, a character from Roberts' ''Eugenesis'' fan-fiction novel (which Quark's name originates from as well).<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-author-james-roberts-answers-even-more-fan-questions-on-twitter/34509/ James Roberts Answers Even More Fan Question On Twitter]</ref>

===Soundtrack===
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOBS0RNN-Sk Take Back the Days]" by {{w|East River Pipe}}<ref>[https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/676566971668803584 James Roberts on Twitter]</ref>
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjs5vkX3JGg You or Your Memory]" by {{w|the Mountain Goats}}<ref>[https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/676569919706652676 James Roberts on Twitter]</ref>

===Covers (3)===
*'''Regular cover:''' The battered and bound Skids is led into the horrors of Grindcore, by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
*'''Subscription cover:''' Ten gets into body-painting, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
*'''Retailer incentive cover:''' Ultra Magnus, Swerve, Tailgate, Nightbeat, Getaway, and Velocity, by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]; part of a series of variant covers "counting down" to the release of the 50th issues of ''The Transformers'' and ''More than Meets the Eye'' in February 2016.

<gallery>
File:MTMTE48 regcvr.jpg|Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.
File:MTMTE48 subcvr.jpg|Do you want my body, don't you think I'm sexy?
File:MTMTE48 cvrRI.jpg|I smell a traitor in the midst.
</gallery>

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*IDW ''Transformers'' Reading Guide
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*''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' Micro Comic Collector Packs (back page)

===Reprints===
*'''''The Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye Volume 9''''' ([[May 4]], [[2016]]) ISBN 1631406159 / ISBN 978-1631406157
:*Contains issues #45 to #49.
:*Bonus content includes covers of each issue.

*'''''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection]]: Volume 66: Speak, Memory''''' ([[December 25]], [[2019]])
:*Hardcover collection of ''More than Meets the Eye'' issues #43 to #49.
:*Bonus content includes a one-page article about the [[Scavenger (group)|Scavengers]], a cover gallery and a forward by [[Simon Furman]].

*'''''[[The Transformers: The IDW Collection Phase Two: Volume 10|The IDW Collection Phase Two: Volume 10]]''''' ([[January 1]], [[2020]]) ISBN 1684055849 / ISBN 978-1684055845
:*Contains [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] issues [[The Transgressors|#44]] to [[The Nothing Man|#45]], ''More than Meets the Eye'' issues #45 to #49, [[The Transformers: Windblade|''Windblade'' vol. 2]] issues [[Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|#6]] to [[The Will of the Few|#7]], the ''[[The Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers|Sins of the Wreckers]]'' miniseries, the ''[[An Uneventful Night|Combiner Hunters]]'' one-shot and "[[Choose Me]]" and "[[The Thirteenth Day of Christmas]]" from ''[[The Transformers Holiday Special]]''.

<gallery>
File:MTMTE vol9.jpg|'''Volume 9'''; cover art by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v66.jpg|'''''Definitive G1 Collection: Volume 66: Speak, Memory'''''; cover art by [[Dan Khanna]] (Getaway) and [[Hayato Sakamoto]] (retro)
File:IDWCollectionP2V10.jpg|'''''The IDW Collection Phase Two: Vol. 10'''''; cover art by [[Marcelo Matere]]
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.newsarama.com/27244-skids-goes-grindcore-in-transformers-more-than-meets-the-eye-48-preview.html Preview]

Talk:Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)

2021-04-18T03:39:11Z

CleverThylacine: reply lol

It's probably worth noting that the text above "Kiss-Players" in the logo, キスぷれ (KISUPURE) is actually "Kiss-Play", and not what the subtitle would suggest. I have no idea what that means in regard to what this damn line is actually called. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 21:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
: Aha. So there are two potential names, and the article is named neither of them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
: Fixed. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 05:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
: This should probably be KissPlay or Kiss Play, with a note indicating that "Kiss Players" appears in English below the title logo.

::Based on the layout of the logo, and the fact that it appears there in English, I'm inclined to take "Kiss Players" as the intended English title. Is that dumb of me? Do Japanese product logos often have an almost-identical English rendering side-by-side with the Japanese name just for the sake of coolness, and not indicating anything meaningful? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

:::It's not dumb at all, but I'd go for Kiss Play, the one we know for sure is right, since there's a long and sordid history of mis-Anglicizations in Japanese names and logos. The alternative is to call Marissa "Melissa", Autrooper "Autor/looper", etc.
::::Minelba! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
::::I insist on calling that character Melissa. She's Marissa's embarrassing cousin, not Marissa Faireborn! [[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 23:39, 17 April 2021 (EDT)
::"キスぷれ" would be considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_abbreviated_and_contracted_words|Japanese abbreviation]. If it was supposed to actually be "Kiss Play" it would be キスぷれい or キスぷれー.　[[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 06:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
::Historically, that would be correct. However, there has been a modern trend of leaving out the trailing dash. "Cosplay" ("costume play"), from which "Kiss Play" is almost certainly derived, doesn't have it either: コスプレ
::--[[User:Swift|Swift]] 14:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

In response to Steve-o's question two months ago: I'm not sure how common it is, but the logo for the anime [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futari_wa_Pretty_Cure Pretty Cure] says "purikyua" ("precure"), with the English text "Pretty Cure" underneath. In the series, it is consistently pronounced "puriti kyua," but when one of the characters spells it out she says "pu ri kyu a." I don't know ''why'' this was done, but it seems that the given English title is the series's "real" name. I strongly suspect that the discrepancy between "kisupure" and "Kiss Players" is a similar situation, given that "Kiss Players" refers to something of importance within the series. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Did It's Walky! predict Kiss Players years before it happened? I'll let you decide: http://www.itswalky.com/d/20010617.html - [[User:67.172.162.93|67.172.162.93]] 13:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

:Yea verily, IT'S WALKY hath truly predicted multitudes of apocalypses and plagues, but in this case you'd better go and google up "Turbo Teen".--[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 14:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

== Edit ==

Why was the large bulk of this article removed?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
:Most likely Chris is moving info to Kiss Players (Toyline) and Kiss Players (fiction) sections. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
::Give that man a cookie! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

== Naming Question ==

Okay, now that I've changed every use of "Kiss Play Position" that I can find to "Kiss Players Position," it suddenly strikes me...should we really be separating the two in articles outside the main ones? In other words, should the Sparkbots' and Cassetrons' articles (etc.) really describe their fictional appearances as taking place in KPP rather than just Kiss Players? Whether they're meant to be in any way separate series is kind of debatable. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 02:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:I'd say it's not worth it (as is probably obvious, since I've lumped both KP and KPP together in... everything, so far) but others might disagree. - Chris McFeely (not signed in) 12:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, should we have a disambig page that links to an entry for "Kiss Players (Singing Group)", since that's also the name of the pop group in KPP? --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 12:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:Ooh, yes, probably. In fact, maybe we might even need a "Kiss Players (characters)" or something like that,for the actual individuals with the powers. - Chris McFeely (not signed in) 12:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
::Since this article is already disambig'd, shouldn't it be moved to [[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players (franchise)]]? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes, it should. However, there are [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Kiss_Players|a LOT of links to this article]]. I can have the Diagnostic Drone change them all quite easily, but I imagine at least some of them would be better directed to one of the other related pages like [[Transformers: Kiss Players (manga)|Kiss Players (manga)]], [[Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)|Kiss Players (radio drama)]], [[Kiss Players (singing group)]], etc., so I'm reluctant to just do a mass text-replacement on them all. I don't suppose somebody besides me feels like sorting those out, huh? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== You bastards finally did it. ==

After splitting the article, and numerous character updates, I am confident that this wiki has the most extensive, accurate, and informative coverage of Kiss Players canon in the English language.

And this fills me with dread. A deep, chilling dread, like that no doubt felt by many a character in H.P. Lovecraft's lurid works.

May God have mercy on us all.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 22:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

: Aaaand, with Primus and Unicron finally added, I believe I can say with some confidence that Kiss Play and Teletraan Go! Go! are 99% complete. Just a few odds and ends left to update some day soon. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 23:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::Is this manga compilation for sale anywhere? It looks cracktastic. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::It was unexpectedly made available at Wonder Festival 2007 in August. Not sure if it's being sold outside the show. Which is a shame, because it's insane and everyone should own it. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 23:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Right, I meant- is it for sale on the secondary market? Anyplace that uses the e-Hobby primus toy to represent Primus himself is awesome in my book. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Fantofan.jp had...one, I think. No idea if they still have it in stock. Apart from that, not a clue. (Note also what was used to represent Unicron. Wait, e-Hobby? Wasn't it just a Lucky Draw-type contest prize?) --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 00:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::Clearly, we need an intenet petition for an american translation, Clearly. Guys? Hello? --[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 00:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Ummm... No.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 02:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

== Things that shouldn't exist ==

We have things that don't exist as a category, if only there was a things that ''shouldn't'' exist category to put this into.[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 10:51, 6 February 2010 (EST)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:00, 6 February 2010 (EST)
::I'm not suggesting we make the category, I'm just saying![[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 11:52, 28 February 2010 (EST)
:::We'd also put the Beast and B.O.T in there. However, it's really too opinion based so it wouldn't be a good category.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 08:59, 6 February 2019 (EST)
::::Oh for god's sake, this conversation is 9 years old. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:11, 6 February 2019 (EST)

=="Awareness"==
Actually, people are still ignorant of most of the details, especially the latter half that removed the overwhelming majority of the skeevy stuff from the series. They just know PENIS TONGUE. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:31, 2 March 2010 (EST)

==FYI==

Not only is the Takara Tomy KP website defunct and the link broken, KP isn't even findable on the KP TF toy archive page (and I read Japanese). They are not acknowledging this tomfuckery anymore.

(This is not a value judgement. Were it not for the fact that Atari was supposed to be in grade school (EW) I'd be amused that this exists and I definitely am glad there are pages for it on the site. But it is kinda funny that Takara's that ashamed of themselves.) [[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 23:37, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)

2021-04-18T03:37:33Z

CleverThylacine: broken link and no replacement for it either~~~~

It's probably worth noting that the text above "Kiss-Players" in the logo, キスぷれ (KISUPURE) is actually "Kiss-Play", and not what the subtitle would suggest. I have no idea what that means in regard to what this damn line is actually called. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 21:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
: Aha. So there are two potential names, and the article is named neither of them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
: Fixed. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 05:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
: This should probably be KissPlay or Kiss Play, with a note indicating that "Kiss Players" appears in English below the title logo.

::Based on the layout of the logo, and the fact that it appears there in English, I'm inclined to take "Kiss Players" as the intended English title. Is that dumb of me? Do Japanese product logos often have an almost-identical English rendering side-by-side with the Japanese name just for the sake of coolness, and not indicating anything meaningful? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:34, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

:::It's not dumb at all, but I'd go for Kiss Play, the one we know for sure is right, since there's a long and sordid history of mis-Anglicizations in Japanese names and logos. The alternative is to call Marissa "Melissa", Autrooper "Autor/looper", etc.
::::Minelba! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:10, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
::"キスぷれ" would be considered a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_abbreviated_and_contracted_words|Japanese abbreviation]. If it was supposed to actually be "Kiss Play" it would be キスぷれい or キスぷれー.　[[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 06:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
::Historically, that would be correct. However, there has been a modern trend of leaving out the trailing dash. "Cosplay" ("costume play"), from which "Kiss Play" is almost certainly derived, doesn't have it either: コスプレ
::--[[User:Swift|Swift]] 14:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

In response to Steve-o's question two months ago: I'm not sure how common it is, but the logo for the anime [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futari_wa_Pretty_Cure Pretty Cure] says "purikyua" ("precure"), with the English text "Pretty Cure" underneath. In the series, it is consistently pronounced "puriti kyua," but when one of the characters spells it out she says "pu ri kyu a." I don't know ''why'' this was done, but it seems that the given English title is the series's "real" name. I strongly suspect that the discrepancy between "kisupure" and "Kiss Players" is a similar situation, given that "Kiss Players" refers to something of importance within the series. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Did It's Walky! predict Kiss Players years before it happened? I'll let you decide: http://www.itswalky.com/d/20010617.html - [[User:67.172.162.93|67.172.162.93]] 13:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

:Yea verily, IT'S WALKY hath truly predicted multitudes of apocalypses and plagues, but in this case you'd better go and google up "Turbo Teen".--[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 14:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

== Edit ==

Why was the large bulk of this article removed?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
:Most likely Chris is moving info to Kiss Players (Toyline) and Kiss Players (fiction) sections. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
::Give that man a cookie! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

== Naming Question ==

Okay, now that I've changed every use of "Kiss Play Position" that I can find to "Kiss Players Position," it suddenly strikes me...should we really be separating the two in articles outside the main ones? In other words, should the Sparkbots' and Cassetrons' articles (etc.) really describe their fictional appearances as taking place in KPP rather than just Kiss Players? Whether they're meant to be in any way separate series is kind of debatable. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 02:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:I'd say it's not worth it (as is probably obvious, since I've lumped both KP and KPP together in... everything, so far) but others might disagree. - Chris McFeely (not signed in) 12:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, should we have a disambig page that links to an entry for "Kiss Players (Singing Group)", since that's also the name of the pop group in KPP? --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 12:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:Ooh, yes, probably. In fact, maybe we might even need a "Kiss Players (characters)" or something like that,for the actual individuals with the powers. - Chris McFeely (not signed in) 12:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
::Since this article is already disambig'd, shouldn't it be moved to [[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players (franchise)]]? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:19, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes, it should. However, there are [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Kiss_Players|a LOT of links to this article]]. I can have the Diagnostic Drone change them all quite easily, but I imagine at least some of them would be better directed to one of the other related pages like [[Transformers: Kiss Players (manga)|Kiss Players (manga)]], [[Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)|Kiss Players (radio drama)]], [[Kiss Players (singing group)]], etc., so I'm reluctant to just do a mass text-replacement on them all. I don't suppose somebody besides me feels like sorting those out, huh? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== You bastards finally did it. ==

After splitting the article, and numerous character updates, I am confident that this wiki has the most extensive, accurate, and informative coverage of Kiss Players canon in the English language.

And this fills me with dread. A deep, chilling dread, like that no doubt felt by many a character in H.P. Lovecraft's lurid works.

May God have mercy on us all.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 22:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

: Aaaand, with Primus and Unicron finally added, I believe I can say with some confidence that Kiss Play and Teletraan Go! Go! are 99% complete. Just a few odds and ends left to update some day soon. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 23:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::Is this manga compilation for sale anywhere? It looks cracktastic. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::It was unexpectedly made available at Wonder Festival 2007 in August. Not sure if it's being sold outside the show. Which is a shame, because it's insane and everyone should own it. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 23:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Right, I meant- is it for sale on the secondary market? Anyplace that uses the e-Hobby primus toy to represent Primus himself is awesome in my book. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Fantofan.jp had...one, I think. No idea if they still have it in stock. Apart from that, not a clue. (Note also what was used to represent Unicron. Wait, e-Hobby? Wasn't it just a Lucky Draw-type contest prize?) --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 00:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::Clearly, we need an intenet petition for an american translation, Clearly. Guys? Hello? --[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 00:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Ummm... No.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 02:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

== Things that shouldn't exist ==

We have things that don't exist as a category, if only there was a things that ''shouldn't'' exist category to put this into.[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 10:51, 6 February 2010 (EST)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:00, 6 February 2010 (EST)
::I'm not suggesting we make the category, I'm just saying![[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 11:52, 28 February 2010 (EST)
:::We'd also put the Beast and B.O.T in there. However, it's really too opinion based so it wouldn't be a good category.--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 08:59, 6 February 2019 (EST)
::::Oh for god's sake, this conversation is 9 years old. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:11, 6 February 2019 (EST)

=="Awareness"==
Actually, people are still ignorant of most of the details, especially the latter half that removed the overwhelming majority of the skeevy stuff from the series. They just know PENIS TONGUE. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:31, 2 March 2010 (EST)

==FYI==

Not only is the Takara Tomy KP website defunct and the link broken, KP isn't even findable on the KP TF toy archive page (and I read Japanese). They are not acknowledging this tomfuckery anymore.

(This is not a value judgement. Were it not for the fact that Atari was supposed to be in grade school (EW) I'd be amused that this exists and I definitely am glad there are pages for it on the site. But it is kinda funny that Takara's that ashamed of themselves.) [[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 23:37, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)

2021-04-18T03:33:58Z

CleverThylacine: noted broken link~~~~

{{disambig3|Kiss Players}}

{{nav-kissplayers}}

'''''Transformers: Kiss Players''''' (トランスフォーマーキスぷれ ''Toransufōmā Kisu Pure'') is a Japanese Transformers [[franchise]] which ran from 2006 to 2007, masterminded by artist and writer [[Yuki Ohshima]]. By virtue of being the ''only'' Transformers toyline and fiction released in Japan by Takara between the conclusion of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' and the [[Transformers (film)|live-action movie]], it was also effectively the ''main'' Transformers line in the country for that time, despite its small scope. It takes place in the [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]], specifically in the five-year interval between ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' and ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (franchise)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010]]''.

The series can be defined as belonging to the extreme creepy end of the "{{w|magical girl}} fetish/horror" genre occupied by series such as ''{{w|Shadow Star|Narutaru}}'' and ''{{w|Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro-Chan}}''. It derives its name from its controversial gimmick, which involves Transformers getting "power-ups" when they are kissed by [[human]] girls—the eponymous "[[Kiss Player]]s"—who fuse with the robots and share their adventures. Although this plotline may seem like a shift in demographics to young girls, it is said that this line was aimed at a much older adult male audience. Indeed, the toys bear an "ages 15 and up" warning, and the subject matter of the accompanying manga is far from child-friendly.

Following the conclusion of its first storyline in late 2006, Kiss Players moved into its second and final phase, '''Kiss Players Position''', which shifted focus to a ''distinctly'' more PG-rated (and "huge Transformers history nerd") theme, though it was still kind of heavy on the "cute girls" theme.

The ''Kiss Players'' franchise comprises:

*[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|A toyline]]
*[[Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)|A weekly radio drama series]]
*[[Transformers: Kiss Players (manga)|A three-issue manga]]

Additionally, Ohshima's other major contribution to ''Transformers'' at the time, the 1-page ''[[Information Administration Teletraan 15 Go! Go!]]'' comic published in ''[[Dengeki Hobby]]'' magazine, also featured several tie-ins to the ''Kiss Players'' story. These primarily served to introduce readers to the ''Kiss Players'' story and characters when the line was launched, and then later, to summarize the final few radio dramas when both series were drawing to a close. ''Information Administration Teletraan 15 Go! Go!'' also featured the first part of a story in which [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]'s ghost possessed Atari (which was continued in the radio drama), and in the second year, notably incorporated the further adventures of [[Glit (KP)|Glit]], [[Sundor]], and [[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]], the ''Kiss Players Position'' cassette trio, who were rather confusingly dropped from the radio storyline in its second week and never mentioned again.

==Storyline==
===Kiss Players===
[[File:KP001.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He doesn't have any lips, Marissa.]]
Following the events of [[The Transformers: The Movie|Unicron's attack]] in 2005, in which [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] was hurled into space by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]], the [[Decepticon]] leader crash-landed on [[Earth]], his impact utterly devastating [[Tokyo]]. This horrific event shattered Transformer-human relations, and the government agency known as the [[Earth Defense Command]] was formed, led by Commander [[Hitoshizuku Amaō]], who had been driven to her fervent hatred of Transformers by the death of her daughter in the catastrophe. With its headquarters established in Galvatron's impact crater, the EDC set about its assigned task of ridding the Earth of Transformers. To accomplish this, the EDC constructed a fleet of its own man-made Transformers known as [[Autorooper]]s, reverse-engineered from the remains of Galvatron himself. With the Autoroopers' added power and the establishment of an [[anti-electron]] field around the Earth, they succeeded in forcing all remaining Transformers to flee the planet. Horrified at what his defeat of Galvatron had wrought, new Autobot leader Rodimus returned the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]], and became Hot Rod once again.

As 2006 settled in, Earth had been rendered completely devoid of Transformers, and the rebuilding of Tokyo was underway. Galvatron's impact was revealed to have had a much greater effect than anyone could have predicted—the blast caused by his impact had scattered his [[Unicron]]-empowered cells throughout the planet's atmosphere. When they came into contact with other animals and objects, from marine life to cars, they fused with them, becoming one of many monstrous creatures referred to as [[Legion]]. This catastrophe also created the means to defend the world against the Legion — when Galvatron's cells came into contact with human beings, they also become able to fuse with other entities containing his cells by kissing them. With their Autoroopers being the perfect candidates for this "[[ParasiTech]]" fusion process, the EDC began recruiting and training these "Kiss Players" as combat [[Ne Squad|squads]] to battle the Legion.

Some time after the death of her parents in a Legion attack, [[Atari Hitotonari]] found herself pursued by one of the monstrous creatures. EDC operative [[Shaoshao Li]] came to her rescue, but the time-limit of her fusion with her Autorooper, [[Autorooper|Ne-04]], expired and she was ejected from her partner, unconscious. Atari discovered that she was a Kiss Player when she kissed Shaoshao's Autorooper (to the delight of squad commander [[Hitoshizuku Amaō]], who had long known of the girl's potential) and fused with it, defeating the Legion.

[[File:KP002.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|I... guess that's better?]]
Atari was subsequently drafted into EDC Tokyo Autorooper squad, where she was routinely terrorized by her sociopathic teammate, [[Ringo Chikuma]], but managed to make friends with [[Kayu Michikusa]]. Atari was clearly not suited to EDC life, getting carsick, being embarrassed by the Kiss Fusion, and accidentally swallowing a Legion and having to have her Autorooper shrink down and venture inside her body to remove it. Her most significant escapade during this time was when she was possessed by [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]'s ghost, who had her seek out [[Doctor Arkeville]] in order to have the scientist create him a [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|new body]], only for it to be almost immediately destroyed by the EDC's Autoroopers.

Following his death in 2005, the legacy of Optimus Prime became something of a rallying point for those disgruntled with the government's anti-Transformer movement. An anti-EDC commando force established itself; among its members was [[Marissa Faireborn]], the daughter of soldier [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Dashiell Faireborn]] and a childhood friend of Shaoshao Li, who was once rescued by and often played with Prime when she was a child. When the EDC decided to move Prime's body from America to Tokyo, Marissa and her commando squad staged a violent ambush on the transport vehicles in an attempt to liberate the Autobot commander's remains. The whole affair turned out to be a trap, when Prime's body was revealed to be a decoy concealing an Autorooper unit piloted by Ringo, who gunned down the whole team, save Marissa herself. Realizing that she had been duped, Marissa turned her attention to a familiar container trailer in the convoy, which concealed the real Prime's body. As an out-of-control Autorooper attempted a ParasiTech fusion with Prime's body, Marissa discovered that she too was a Kiss Player when, in giving her childhood friend a farewell kiss, she found herself merging with an unexpectedly resurrected Prime, complete with a new body formed from the Autorooper and his own remains. Prime and Marissa went on the run from the EDC, with Prime reluctant to allow Marissa to enter any of their battles. To placate her, he would often allow her to visit beaches under the cover of night, so that she could indulge her passion for surfing. On one such trip the pair were attacked by a Legion that had fused with an octopus. In the course of their adventures and battles, Marissa met Atari, and she and Prime saved her life several times.

Shaoshao, meanwhile, had disappeared from EDC service after her failure to save Atari during the earlier battle with the Legion, spirited away to a hidden facility beneath the EDC headquarters. There, she was to become part of a twisted experiment involving dismembering Legion corpses, only to be saved from a chewey fate when Hot Rod arrived on Earth as part of his mission of redemption. Crashing into the EDC Headquarters, Hot Rod was immediately attacked by the imprisoned Legions, which attempted to fuse with him. Before the anti-electron field could fully disable the Autobot, Shaoshao kissed him and, like Prime, he was reformatted into a new body complete with the Legions' Galvatron cells. Like Marissa and Optimus Prime, the pair soon found themselves on the run from the EDC's forces, but unlike that pair, Shaoshao did not get along particularly well with Hot Rod. This, it turned out, was due to her own dislike of Transformers, due to her belief that Marissa and her friendship had ended when Optimus Prime had taken Mariss away from her. She swore to use Hot Rod's power to defeat Prime and win her friend back, and trained Hot Rod in the martial arts to this end.

Plagued by destructive impulses caused by the Galvatron cells within his body, Optimus Prime took control of a swarm of Legion units and led them in an attack on the EDC headquarters. Hacking their way through the Autoroopers that opposed them, Marissa and Prime found their attentions diverted by Hot Rod and Shaoshao, who engaged them in battle. As Hot Rod accused Prime of being an impostor (since the real deal was supposed to be dead), Atari fights back her inhibitions and bonds with her Autorooper, successfully managing to turn back the attacking force.

[[File:AutrooperAtari.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Enough, already!]]
In the wake of this, frivolity became the order of the day, as Shaoshao sulked about Optimus Prime and talked up Hot Rod's skills and weapons, accompanying him on a fishing trip to Tokyo Bay Bridge, where they battled Legions. Marissa lost her underwear and Shaoshao got her hands on it (''yeeeeah''), and both girls began to reflect on their own pasts, and the histories of their Transformer partners. As Prime and Hot Rod began to suffer violent, [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]-filled nightmares caused by their Galvatron-cell-infused bodies, Shaoshao witnessed the ghostly figure of a young girl riding on the shoulder of a Legion.

Atari, meanwhile, continued to suffer the whimsical cruelties of Ringo, and could get no help on the matter from Kayu. Angered by her friend's apparent lack of concern, Atari broke a promise to her out of spite. Later, when she sought out her friend to apologize, Atari discovered that Kayu had suffered under Ringo the same way she now was, and that Kayu was now gone, supposedly transferred to another squad within the EDC. Some time later Kayu's Autorooper ran berserk in the EDC headquarters, and Ringo mercilessly gunned it down despite Atari's pleas. Atari's mind went blank, and her own Autorooper went on a rampage, seriously injuring or perhaps even killing Ringo.

Ultimately, Marissa and Prime initiated another attack upon the EDC, clashing once more with Shaoshao and Hot Rod. This time, the foursome were able to settle their differences, and proceeded to team up with Atari to investigate the sinister goings-on beneath the public facade of the EDC which had become increasing apparent during their adventures. Venturing through the "[[Spiral Vagina]]" into the "[[Genital System]]" facility hidden deep in the basement of the EDC headquarters, the group discovered that much of the misfortune that had befallen them was the result of a twisted plan by Commander Amaō, who had been experimenting with Galvatron's corpse, Kiss Players and Legions in an attempt to resurrect her daughter. Amaō's daughter's soul had been infused into the Legions along with their Galvatron cells, and Amaō sought to resurrect her in the body of a Kiss Player, having selected Atari for the process. Amaō's plan was foiled when Atari fought the process, and all of the Legions and Autoroopers were fused with Galvatron, bringing all his cells together and reconstituting his body. Amaō died in the collapse of the complex, and Hot Rod destroyed the anti-electron field generator, just before Galvatron's cells were also extracted from his and the other Kiss Players' bodies; consequently, Hot Rod and Optimus Prime reverted to their original forms, with Prime returning to his state of death. Galvatron's body was blasted back into space, where it would eventually crash-land on the planet [[Thrull]].

===Kiss Players Position===
[[File:KPP001.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|We're the [[Kiss Players (singing group)|Kiss Players]] who used to be [[Kiss Player]]s in ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (manga)|Kiss Players!]]'']]

With the deactivation of the anti-electron field, Ultra Magnus and the "Cassette Players"—Sundor, Rosanna and Glit, a trio of [[Mini-Cassette]]s that performed as a singing group, came to Earth in 2007 to reestablish peace with humanity. Marissa, Shaoshao and Atari joined the Cassette Players, and the group became known as the "Kiss Players", who performed to promote human-Transformer relations and good will. As they sang at the [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Brave Maximus]] stop of their world tour, the human trio were approached by [[Angela]], [[Star Dust]] and [[Zangetsu]], the mysterious [[Sparkbot]]s, who instructed the girls to kiss them. When Marissa, Atari and Shaoshao complied, the Sparkbots whisked them off through time and space aboard Brave Maximus, leaving the Cassettrons behind (to go on to have unrelated adventures with [[Teletraan 15]]).

Marissa, Atari and Shaoshao reappeared in [[United States of America|America]] over twenty years earlier to witness Optimus Prime's famous battle with Megatron atop [[Sherman Dam]]. Invisible to that time period's natives, Marissa was directed by Angela to kiss Prime; when she did so, a portion of what the Sparkbots told her was the [[Transformer afterlife|Allspark]] emerged from within Prime. This, the Sparkbots explained, was the Kiss Players' new mission: to gather all the fragments of the Allspark from Autobot leaders throughout time and space.

[[File:KPSparkbot-Group.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Pretty little devils.]]
After a visit to 2010, where Shaoshao retrieved a fragment from Rodimus Prime, the team visited 2011, but arrived in the year a little too early and wound up stranded on the planet [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]], where even their inherent cuteness could not save them from being sentenced to the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]] pit by the last of the [[Quintesson]]s. Thankfully, they were saved by Optimus Prime and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Goldbug]], and fled back into the timestream, with the Quintessons sucked in behind them and trapped in the rift. Moving a little further forward into 2011, they arrived at their proper time and place, allowing Atari to obtain another Allspark fragment from [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. Marissa proceeded to acquire another piece from [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]], and the girls progressively hit up [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]], [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] and several of Optimus Prime's future incarnations for more pieces.

It was when the girls turned their attention to Beast Warriors, going from one end of the timestream to the other to acquire fragments from [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]], [[Lio Convoy]] and [[Big Convoy]], that things started getting strange. Soon, a mysterious, giant golden hand began to appear at the moment of Allspark emergence and steal the fragments away. After Shaoshao's attempt at getting a fragment from [[Optimus Prime (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime]] was foiled by this set of disembodied digits, the Kiss Players pursued the hand through time aboard Brave Maximus, only to have their spaceship strike the "Wall of Time", scattering the trio across dimensions. Brave Maximus crash-landed on the planet [[Master (planet)|Master]] several million years ago, while the three girls were blasted into the different eras of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] universe and faced unique dangers there. The giant golden hand soon reappeared and rescued them, bringing them back to their native universe. It was revealed that the hand belonged to the Transformer deity [[Primus]], and that the Sparkbots were, in fact, servants of [[Unicron]] that had been manipulating the Kiss Players since the beginning—in fact, they were the ones responsible for causing Galvatron to crash on Earth, and the so-called "Allspark" fragments they had instructed the Kiss Players to gather were in truth the scattered pieces of [[Angolmois Energy|Unicron's lifeforce]]. Fleeing to prehistoric Earth, the Sparkbots succeed in resurrecting their master, but Unicron was defeated by Primus, and his lifeforce was sealed away within the planet along with the Sparkbots. Completing the circle, Primus created Brave Maximus to serve as the guardian of Unicron's lifeforce, and the Kiss Players were returned to their own time.

==Controversy==
[[File:LegionTongue.jpg|left|thumb|Wow! It's everything wrong with the franchise encapsulated into one image!]]
When the basic concept of ''Kiss Players''—"toys with figures of cute girls"—first surfaced, the reaction from the Western fan community was generally unremarkable, amounting to little more than a bit of good-natured eye-rolling and mutterings of "Those wacky Japanese...but if that's what it takes to sell the toys...", understanding that there ''is'' a certain subset of collector who enjoys such things. Besides, such a premise had been explored before in the short-lived ''[[The Transformers: Binaltech Asterisk|Binaltech Asterisk]]'' line (in which [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Kiss Players|the first toy in the ''Kiss Players'' series]] was originally meant to be released).

This reaction took a sharp turn with the unveiling of the ''[[Dengeki Daioh]]'' manga. Although not featuring any ''explicit'' nudity or sexual content, the comic consists of a virtually unhalting stream of images clearly designed to evoke various violent sexual situations, from the endless streams of viscous, white liquid that frequently splatter over the scantily-clad-to-nude cast members, to cowering, flush-faced, teary-eyed girls pressed against walls with their hips raised into the air, to the most (in)famous of all, the distinctive image of the [[Legion]]'s blatant penis-tongue, leaking goo from a ''goddamn urethra''. Putting the cherry on this sundae of depravity, the manga employs an art style that uses proportions specifically and deliberately designed to make the vast majority of its female characters appear as though they are underage (despite the fiction identifying them as being at least old enough to drive). Subsequent translations of the radio dramas also revealed that the show's dialogue was ''loaded'' with sexual double-entendres, ranging from humor-based (Optimus Prime deriving pleasure from Marissa rubbing the rim of his gas tank) to grotesque examples blatantly evocative of sexual assault (a shrunken Autorooper forces its way into Atari's mouth and makes her swallow it, followed by her begging it not to "move too roughly inside" her).

Reactions ran the gamut from outright disgust to comedic derision, with most fans agreeing that the transformation of a children's toyline into {{w|Lolicon|borderline pedophilia}} was a "bad thing". There were a number of people who claimed, amazingly, that there was ''absolutely nothing'' wrong with such a thing, and that everyone else simply wasn't understanding it was a "cultural thing," — "it" being... the enjoyment of sexual assault imagery, apparently. This, of course, is in defiance of the fact that many ''Japanese'' fans were themselves openly decrying ''Kiss Players,'' fearing that American fans would think that this was somehow accepted as "normal" in Japan. The line's writer/designer, [[Yuki Ohshima]], even admitted that he crafted the series in this manner because he wanted to "make people's jaws drop". Mission accomplished, it would seem.

However, the second half of the series, ''Kiss Players Position'', pretty much abandoned the use of overtly sexual content and became a walking tour of all the past ''Transformers'' franchises. The most "risque" thing the series did was have the girls dressing up in costumes in the hopes that their cuteness will spare them from being dropped into a [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]] pit. (It didn't work.) Of course, by that point, most fans had written the series off as a pile of depravity and an easy go-to punchline for "worst thing TFs ever". The exact reasons for the tonal shift are unknown; it's possible Takara was reacting to the negative responses, possibly they simply stopped dictating what the tone of the series should be and let manga scribe Yuki Ohshima dictate its new direction. Ohshima ''had'' published numerous Transformers ''dōjinshi'' (fan-comics), all of them clean, prior to being officially involved with the ''Transformers'' series, and played a heavy role in the massive [[retcon]]-filled grand unified timeline Takara would put forward in this series and other ventures.

Possibly as a result of the majority of fans trying to distance themselves from a fiction that is generally regarded as distasteful, combined with the general inaccessibility of the radio show to an English audience (no pictures!), there is an astonishingly minimal awareness of the specific details of the (horrifying, yet darkly interesting) ''Kiss Players'' storyline in the fandom.

==Notes==
*The official logo for the series says "Kiss Play" in Japanese text and "Kiss Players" beneath it in English. To avoid confusion, the English title is used here.
*''Kiss Players'' is notable—if headache-inducing—for consolidating several previously disparate ''Transformers'' stories into one. Timelines officially published with its products incorporated not only [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]] events, but also those of other time-and-space-bending Japanese G1 spin-offs, ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'', ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Binaltech]]'', and ''Binaltech Asterisk'', and obscure stories like ''[[Transformers: The Battle of the Star Gate|The Battle of the Star Gate]]'' and the details of numerous [[e-HOBBY]] stories and [[bio]]s into one massive chronicle.
*Most notably of all, ''Kiss Players'' appears to have been the first affirmation of the recent [[retcon]] that Takara has been propagating in several official timelines—that ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' (or ''Car Robots'', to be precise) is part of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity. The storyline links Brave Maximus to the Japanese incarnation of Generation 1 Fortress Maximus, offers an actual origin for Brave Maximus that links him to the story of ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'', and explains why Unicron's lifeforce was sealed within Earth in that series.

==External links==
*[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/kiss/index.html Official Kiss Players site (broken link)]
*[http://www.toyvey.com/kisskiss/ Kiss Players story summaries on Toy Vey]

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This is awesome. In a "so bad it's good" sort of way. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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This is obviously an incomplete list. I also have some that were only repeated once, sometimes in differing forms, which I won't add to the page proper until we find at least one more iteration. If you can find more of any of these, feel free to add them.

Here's my remainder:

===WHOLE WORLD OF PAIN===
*"Get ready, quite literally... for a whole WORLD of pain!" -- Starscream, G2 #11
*"It's about PAIN, Megatron... here's a whole WORLD of it!" -- Starscream, TWWv1 #3

===DOWN TO EARTH--LITERALLY!===
*"Aww, did I bring the poor Autobot '''down to earth''' with a bump?" --'''Rumble, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #6'''
*"Let's bring these latter-generation big shots '''down to earth'''!" --'''Skydive, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #10'''
*"Bring him '''down to earth!'''" --'''Lio Convoy, ''Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #3'''

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm waaaay too comfortable lying on my couch here to go upstairs and find the book and check, but I want to say Swoop did the whole "better to die than run" shtick when the Dinobots were fighting the demons in #76...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::Indeed! Good memory. Hold on... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Now there are '''three''' phrases in which '''down to earth''' is meant '''literally'''.
--[[User:Jeff S|Jeff S]] 08:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Call me humorless if you wish- ==

Normally, I love the humor here. I like that we don't always take everything seriously. However, I think this article is taking things a little far. Boo to this section, basically. Boo-urns, in fact. It feels like it's trashing Furman for no good reason. And I've never heard ANYONE say- "Hey, a similar bit of dialogue in a Simon Furman comic! Must be a Furmanism!"

And, seriously,you don't think some of it is intentional (particularly issue 67)?

I just don't see how this has a place here. --DJ Convoy

:...I saw it as a celebration of Furmanisms, actually. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

::Pretty much. Furman is my main man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there's gotta be more IT NEVER ENDSes than the three I got, right? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
: Well, uh, I wasn't counting the IT NEVER ENDSes on purpose, because Furman does those on purpose, as an intentional self-referential running-gag to his original G1 send-off letter. I don't think it really belongs in this article, as such. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, being a cartoon-centric guy I didn't actually know what the original source of it was. It still strikes me as qualifying as a "Furmanism" though, albeit with a note in the article about it's origin and nature. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I'd never called them Furmanisms before now either, but I do now. As for disrespect... Well, I think a Transfan has to kinda be a Furman fan by definition really. --[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 22:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Not so. I'm a Transformers fan and I don't like Furman's writing much at all. However, I've heard the term "Furmanism" for years online, so it makes sense for this article to exist.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 23:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::You only "have" to like Furman if you like the print media. Certainly no one is mandated to be a fan of Flint Dille--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC).

== REAP THE WHIRLWILD ==

Simon must be a huge Young Guns fan. =D--[[User:Speedbreaker|Speedbreaker]] 04:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't it from the bible though? "They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind", something along those lines? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this one is a little unfair - I bought a cheap pocket paperback X-Men compilation thing and Clairemont used this same phrase twice and only two issues apart. Rather than a Furmanism, it seems to be common comic-book language. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 11:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== On predatory birds and hovering thereof ==

Seriously, we really should include those. Yes, yes, it was only used one other time... but it's by far the most unique of them all. Also, hilarious. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Today while I was at work, I picked up the Transformers Movie Guide and pawed through it. I noticed for the first time this sentence talking about Megatron's alt mode:
*"Like some dread bird of prey, Megatron would hang suspended in the upper atmosphere, raining lightning bolts down on enemy emplacements while his drone (ground) troopers picked off any who attempted to flee or fight back."
--[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:What I'm curious about is, is that close enough to count? If yes, we've finally reached the required three birds of prey. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::I would count it! Sweeeeet. (Furman wrote it, right?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:::[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Movie-Guide-Simon-Furman/dp/0756630134/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1728203-3352961?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191457670&sr=8-1 Non wiki-based proof] for you. We have an article for the book, but I'm sure you'd prefer a source that isn't editable. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 00:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
== Another Time And Place Furmanisms? ==
I seem to recall the Another Time And Place text story ending with the "It Never Ends" furmanism.. can anyone confirm? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It does. Though I'm still iffy on its inclusion in this article without some sort of disclaimer, as he purposefully includes it all the freakin' time (like even in the You Can Draw Transformers book) as some sort of calling card. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:: If he includes it on purpose, wouldn't that make it that much more a Furmanism?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think it would. [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 03:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: In fact, we should have the article end with that section, with the last one being the one from the You Can Draw Transformers book. [[User:Kaosu Reido|Kaosu Reido]] 20:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
::::: He uses it in that book too? HAH! This article should totally do what Kaosu just said it should do. [[User:70.55.211.238|70.55.211.238]] 06:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Since "It never ends!" now is included, I should point out that there's another one, by Shockwave at the end of Time Wars. Don't have the book handy now, so I can't make an exact quote. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Down to earth ==

I spotted the phrase ''down to earth''--used in a '''literal''' sense--in two issues of ''Transformers: Generation 2'' (#6, "The Gathering Darkness"; #10, "War Dawn").

'''-Jeff Steele'''
: Those are already noted further up the page. Thanks, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Not exactly "fight and die"==
There's Crankcase's "Better to die a warrior's death than endure this ''mockery'' of life!" from "The Rise and Fall of the Decepticon Empire"... same theme. Usable? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say so. Look at the section, there are a bunch of em that are similar to "fight and die" but not 100% the same. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== What Order Should They Be Listed In? ==

Given that we're dealing with a short list, I'm not sure the Furmanisms necessarily need to be in alphabetical order. (It's also not a list people are going to be looking things up in. ''"Hey, I wonder if 'In for a penny, in for a pound' is a Furmanism? I better look under 'I' . . . "'')
Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Alphabetical order is better than arbitrary. Though if I had to pick a different ordering system, I'd suggest the order in which they first appeared in fiction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::The order I was trying to put them in was not (quite) arbitrary. It was an attempt to tell a story as if two characters were talking in nothing but Furmanisms. (E.g., "It can be destroyed!" as a response to "What chance do we have?") This is, admittedly, quirky, esoteric, and serves no purpose but The Funny, but I'm not certain alphabetical order serves ''any'' purpose besides "not arbitrary". [[User:JW|JW]] 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::Or, we could list them in the order they appear in today's Shortpacked . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 11:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd much rather they be in an order that's accessible to others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, A) I was joking about Shortpacked. (By the way, keep up the good work.) And, B) a list of only ''ten'' items is accessible by default. It can be reviewed in seconds with a flick of the mouse. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
: I gotta say that I really liked having "IT NEVER ENDS" right next to "IT'S OVER - FINISHED!" [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 16:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Heck, if we change the header from "OVER -- FINISHED" to "IT IS OVER -- FINISHED", we can do that, and keep Walky happy. One of the sample quotes uses "it is over", and another two use "it's over", so this is quite justifiable. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Furman sound effects==
Should we do a Furman sound effects article to accompany this? I'd love to see the instances of 'FFN' :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the other day that we should include "GNNGH". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying. I had forgotten about this given that everybody else (who are vastly more well-versed in the comics than I) evidently couldn't be bothered answering. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Sadly, Furman stopped using SPOOMS! once we started asking him in person to use them more. We apologize. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: A sound effects section should prolly be on this article. A steller example is Grimlock's Ff. Tt. Hf. etc. in the first ''The War Within''. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Why did he stop? Did he realize you guys were lightly mocking his 'isms'? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, what happened? I thought you guys LOVED Furman sound effects! If Furmanisms are good enough for catalogue, then sound effects should damn well be catalogued, too! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:How would we categorize these? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::As in the type of article or within the article itself? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Within this article. I'm sure every story has some sort of sound effects. Are there particular ones Furman uses more than others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::SPOOM!
::::Unfortunately, this sort of article would require the services of somebody like Walky and his friends who, as I understand, are great fans of Furman's sound effects and speech patterns. My own knowledge is painfully limited. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Nemesis Pt 2 ==

as anyone checked Nemesis part 2 for Furmanisms? He did write it, after all. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno about Furmanisms, but the angry shouting-at-the-sky speech about Tigerhawk's death Primal has just outside their base is pretty damn Furmanesque. It's so awesome to see Furman material acted out. But no specific Furmanisms come to mind... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

==A STING in the tail!==
This one pops up when Pincer transforms in.... issue #63? And again in the Magnus Spotlight. Can we get a third, do I hear a third, third third third? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

"Oww! There's just one thing wrong with your little sage, Decepticon. You see, this story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Pincher, "Deadly Obsession" (''Transformers'' #64)

"And this little story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Scorponok, ''Spotlight: Ultra Magnus''

"'''Sting in the tail''': The Dinobot called Snarl can transform into an armored stegosaurus. In battle, he swings his tail at the enemy."

-A brief description of Snarl in ''Transformers: The Ultimate Sticker Book'' (I'm sure [[Simon Furman|you know who]] had something to do with it!)

'''Jeff Steele'''

==He hesitates - and is LOST!==
"He hesitates - and is lost!" -- narrative box, UK #116
"It hesitated and lost EVERYTHING!" -- Dreadwind, UK #218

There's GOT to be one more of these.

== Time we weren't here ==

Hot Rod in Devastation #3, page 8.

This sounds vaguely familiar. Did it get used in Furman stories before? If yes, would it qualify for a Furmanism, or is it too generic?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:Having finally had the chance to read this issue I have to agree that line sounds very familiar, but I can't recall where from... And Nevermore, I think the way Furman says it is unique to him, I've never heard that type of phrase before he came about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Having not yet read Devastation #3, I can say that it's VERY familiar to me as a Furmanism, and I'm 99% sure we could find three examples somewhere. "Time I wasn't here," perhaps. Thing is, he uses so much English colloquialism that I'm rarely ever sure if his phrases are HIS or just from his dialect. "On balance, I prefer...." "My advice to one and all..." I'm not sure where to draw the line, ultimately. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Who are we to play god?==
- "This is hopeless! How am I to decide who deserves life the most? Who am I to play god?" -- Optimus Prime, UK #250 {{storylink|The Greatest Gift of All!}}
 - Prime to Omega Supreme {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}
 - Doubleheader to Longtooth {{Storylink|Deadly Obsession}}
 - "Pray tell, Optimus Primal... how it feels to play GOD?" - Depth Charge {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe)|Homecoming}}
:-- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::That one sounds like more of a genuine turn of phrase to me. If we can find many more than these three, I can be convinced it's an actual Furmanism, rather than just something people say. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It is a phrase people use- but I'm pretty sure Furman hits it heavily. It might be worth referencing ''if'' you can find some stock intro format he uses before it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Things Fall Apart==
I noticed this while flipping through the DK Ultimate Guide the other day, and it seemed vaugely familiar. Wasn't it used in some semi-recent IDW comic? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 13:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_%28poem%29 "The Second Coming" by Yeats] gets quoted in a lot of places. Since it's not original to Furman, I don't think we can count it as a Furmanism. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:: I am clearly a literary idiot. Thanks! ...then again, if "Reap The Whirlwind" counts, and that's not something Furman came up with himself, should we discount "Things Fall Apart" if more examples can be found? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 01:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Good question . . . let's first see if he does use "things fall apart" the requisite three times . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::This is used in Regeneration One 80.5 and several other places. I think it should count. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 01:07, 12 May 2012 (EDT)

==How many times?==
*"Again he has cheated death. A chance in a million has turned defeat into victory. How many more times, he wonders..." --Narration, [[...The Harder They Die!]]
*"Curse you, Optimus Prime! How many times? How '''many?!'''" --Megatron, [[Under Fire!]]
*"How many, eh? HOw many have to '''die''' for you to get your jollies? '''HOW MANY?'''" --Ratchet, [[A Savage Circle]]
*"How many times did we both die... only to live again? A vicious cycle from which there seemed no escape." --Optimus Prime, [[New Dawn#"Tales of Earth Part Four"|Tales of Earth, Part Four]]
*"''Curse you'', Rodimus Prime -- ''how many times must I destroy you?''" -- Galvatron, [[Rhythms of Darkness!]]
For your consideration --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Heh. I like the... insistence of the third one, put into context with the rest. But I'd still actually vote against this. It's just a little too generic - to my sensibilities, anyway. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I was wondering, which is why I didn't throw it in automatically. Let's see what other people think, and maybe someone can dig up more of these to solidify it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::: If we make it more specific and go with the "How many times? HOW MANY?" part, then I think we've got something. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 23:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==DEAD wrong!==
* "Urr...if you think we're beaten, Autobot -- you're ''dead'' wrong!" -- Bludgeon {{storylink|The Lesser Evil}}
: Isn't 'dead wrong' a pretty common phrase?--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, but not as a pun roughly translating to "you are wrong, and you are also dead." I haven't read the story in question, but it sounds like that's what he's saying. [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

==What do you think you're playing at?==
*"Uhn! Blast it, Backstreet! What're you playing at?" -- Dogfight, "[[Race with the Devil]]"
* "Whaddaya think you're playing at, Inferno?" -- Broadside, "[[Survivors!]]"
* "''What'' do you think" "you're playing at?" -- Doubleheader, "[[Whose Lifeforce Is It Anyway?]]"
* "''Hey!'' What are you playing at, ''Nightbeat''?" -- Kup, "[[The Pri¢e of Life!]]"
: Totally vouching for this one, it's one of my favorite Furmanisms. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Furman may use this a lot, and he totally does, but I've been saying this all my life. It's a Britishism. I'm not a Brit, but I'm from Appalachia where we still use a lot of these older phrases...[[User:CleverThylacine|CleverThylacine]] ([[User talk:CleverThylacine|talk]]) 13:47, 14 January 2021 (EST)

==No! You're dead!==
* "No! Y-you were dead... I killed you!" -- Thunderwing, "[[The Big Shutdown!]]"
* "No! It - it ''can't'' be you... you're dead!" -- Ratchet, "[[Back from the Dead]]"
* "No! I saw you die, felt your ''aura'' leave its mortal remains! You were ''no more!''" -- Bludgeon, "[[End of the Road!]]"
* "YOU did this... but you're DEAD!" -- Dreadwind, "[[Race with the Devil]]" (cover)
* "No! It can't be you... you're dead!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]" (cover)
* "Nooo! You're - you're dead... ''dead!'' I saw you die!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]"

==Shattered Expectations==
Should there be some mention here about the reverse Furmanisms in the Shattered Expectations April Fools comic pages? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Power Beyond Measure==
* "Flee! Power beyond measure, this one has! His light--hurts!" --Demon, re: ActionMaster Grimlock
* "I offer you dark secrets, whispers from the timelost past; power--BEYOND MEASURE!" --The Fallen

Okay, the last one isn't an exact quote, but the Furmanism was definitely carried over. And I'm naggingly sure I've heard it much more often than that....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== INTO ITS MAW ==

I know this has been used in several instances. Laserbeak thrown into Slag's maw in [[Dinobot Hunt!]], Prime plunging the Matrix into Unicron's maw, that creature with the matrix energy in it's maw. Any others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:If we end up using it, it should be "ITS MAW", not "IT'S MAW". Possessive, not contraction. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed. Made a typo. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Putting our own house in order ==

I believe this one has been said enough times to qualify as one.
* Care to give us some examples, champ? [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:54, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

== Well and truly... ==

I think this qualifies. Furman's been hitting it really hard recently. I think we should starting collecting them!--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:26, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Movie adaptation ==

Got the ROTF Movie adaptation trade from Target the other day. There are no less than three Furmanisms in it, four if we decide to add "well and truly".

However, do you think we should wait to see if any of these lines are in the actual movie, and thus probably not originally not written by Furman? I doubt it, but I guess we should wait to see to be safe.

*"Done"? I fear, Major Lennox...that it NEVER ends!"- Optimus Prime

*"Hm. Don't recognize the make and model, but I know the form. Time I wasn't he- AAAARGHHH!"- Jetfire ALMOST gets it out

*"This world and all on it...shall die SCREAMING."- The Fallen

--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== Not limited to just Furman? ==
In an issue of Anderson: Psi Judge (Posession, to be specific) from the Judge Dredd series, one of the characters used one of the popular Furmanisms. I checked, and the credits were by Alan Grant under the name R Clark. I'm not sure if this is worth a mention or not, and I'm not a contributor, so I'll just leave you guys with a link http://i25.tinypic.com/vql4is.png
:Thanks for pointing that out. It does bring up something I've wondered about in the past: Where's the line between "Furmanism" and "British colloquialism"? Or should we care at all? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::I'd say "well and truly" is a borderline case. It's just a popular idiom over here - 14,500,000 results from Google would seem to back this up - rather than a phrase Furman invented to make robots sound cool. Does that matter? Maybe, because I'm thinking that beyond the IDWverse, there's probably a million examples to be found in Marvel UK, if not Furman's US run. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 04:13, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE ==
* "DECEPTICONS- Let's hear the call... NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE!" --Headstrong. [[Stormbringer issue 4]]
* "No Mercy!" "No Limits!" "No one... GETS OUT ALIVE!" --various Predacons. [[The Ascending issue 4|''Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #4]]
* "That Said, However it goes... NO ONE gets out alive." -- Scorponok. [[Maximum Dinobots issue 3]]

No clue if this appears elsewhere, but it sounds like it should be a furmanism.--[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 15:37, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

yeah, fairly certain i've heard this elsewhere too.--[[Special:Contributions/68.9.60.113|68.9.60.113]] 16:23, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

== -- Just ran out! ==

* "Predacons. Whatever period of grace we might've had -- just ran out!" --Bonecrusher. [[The Gathering issue 4]]

Ran across this, and I know I've heard something like it before. Going to start looking. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 07:14, 24 December 2009 (EST)

::Ooh, um, Gen 2 #9, if recall correctly too. On the very last page. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 11:21, 24 December 2009 (EST)
==Fall Damn you, FALL!==
Seen said by Megatron in Armada Worlds Collide arc by Dreamwave in issue #16 and in One of the Beast Wars comics by IDW (I forget where I saw it now.) I also feel I've heard it somewhere else before..but I figured sense both were clearly by Furman, sounds like a Furmanism to me.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
::Eh, probably too generic. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 07:45, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:::It's a reference to ''something'', isn't it? (*feels stupid for not being able to recall off the top of her head*) Mowry uses it in TotF #6, too, and it sounds familiar somehow. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:12, 9 January 2010 (EST)

[[Image:Battleofautobotcity.jpg|left|180px|thumb]]Yeah....

"Out of the way, Hot Rod!" 
"Fall! FALL!" 
"I would've waited an eternity for this. It's over Prime." 
"NEVER!"

Little familiar... --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 12:07, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, I remembered ''that'' bit, but I meant this specific variation I could swear got used outside of the comics, too. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:26, 9 January 2010 (EST)

::The Fall, Damn U Fall, was used by Magmatron to Grimlock in [[Transformers: Beast Wars: The Gathering|The Gathering]] issue 3 or 4. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:34, 9 January 2010 (EST)

== End of the Road! ==

* [[End of the Road! (UK)]]
* [[End of the Road! (US)]]
* Cover of [[A Rage in Heaven!]]
* Also, as noted on the UK page, he also used it for the last issue of ''Dragon's Claws''.

Seems like Furman rather liked using that phrase whenever he had a finale, and considering half the characters turn into road vehicles, it's rather appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 16:53, 25 September 2010 (EDT)
* He also used it in Devastation #3. It's apparently common enough that the LSotW paperback included a few references to it, in its rapid-fire [[Fisitronism]]s. --75.25.141.40 6:05, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

== THE TRUE MEANING OF POWER ==

* "It is time to '''educate''' you '''in ''the true meaning of power!'''''

Galvatron, [[Out of Time!]] (''Transformers'' #73)

*"I will show Starscream, or whoever has control of the Warworld, ''the true '''meaning''' of power.''

Jhiaxus, [[Dark Shadows!]] (''Transformers: Generation 2'' #11)

[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 05:18, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

== Why? ==

Maybe its just that I didn't read much of the Marvel comic, but I don't really see the need for this page. Most of these are fairly standard pulp fiction cliches. "Reap the whirlwind" is even a Biblical quote! The only one that seems original to me is the "vast predatory bird". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:Fans have had fun at the expense of these for years. Furman's acknowledged it in good fun. Seems important/notable enough for me. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 21:07, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

== Irrevocably! ==

I seem to recall the word 'irrevocably' being used a lot in Furman stories.{{unsigned}}
: I think we should probably require more than one word in our Furmanisms. There's a fuzzy line somewhere between "amusing" and "petty." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:40, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

== Got to-- SPOOM! ==

Where does "Got to-- SPOOM!" come from? It's referenced all over the wiki, but the links all point to the Furmanism page, and the only reference on the Furmanism page goes to Crossblades (G1), which just links back to Furmanism. Where did it originally come from? [[Special:Contributions/92.15.171.251|92.15.171.251]] 08:39, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
: It's a portmandeau of a "TIME I MADE A STAND" variant and a sound effect he used twice, where the sum of their parts recreates how Furman liked to kill folks in the middle of reacting to incoming bad guys. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:11, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

::Ah, thanks.[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 17:07, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

== other writers? SG versions? enough already? ==

Does the word [[Furmanism]] only refer to instances actually written by [[Simon Furman]], with other writers' usages merely paying [[homage]]? Case in point: [[Dungeons_%26_Dinobots|Dungeons & Dinobots]] is written by [[Trent Troop]] and [[Greg Sepelak]], and has [[Carnivac (SG)]] saying "Come, villain! The Mayhem Suppression Squad has shown you its valor, ''[[Furmanism#CAN_I_DO_LESS.3F|can you not do more]]''?"

Speaking of [[Shattered Glass]], [[Furmanism#Notes]] notes that
*In the "[[Shattered Expectations (SG)|Shattered Expectations]]" April Fools comic, [[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]] uses a reverse Furmanism: "Once we have this secret technology the Decepticon insurgency will be FINISHED... OVER!" He later uses it (for real) in "[[Eye in the Sky]]". In later parts of the ''[[Shattered Glass]]'' universe, the Furmanisms begin getting not only flipped but fully mirrored.
Does that statement suffice for all SG Furmanismatics?

Does the [[Furmanism]] article have enough examples to illustrate the existence of the phenomenon, so not ''every'' [[Talk:Furmanism#ROTF_Movie_adaptation|example]] NEEDS to be listed?

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 02:12, 4 February 2014 (EST)

== AS FAST AS I DARE ==

'''"I'm already going ''as fast as I dare'' in these conditions!"'''

[[Doubleheader]], [[Deadly Obsession]]

'''"I'm pushing it ''as fast as I dare'' right now!'''

[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], [[The Last Autobot?]]

'''"We're going ''as fast we dare''. We've had too many setbacks to rush things right now."'''

[[Abraham Dante]], ''[[Escalation]] #5''

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 05:34, 4 February 2014 (EST)

::Eh, seems like too common an expression, not specific enough to Furman. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 12:00, 4 February 2014 (EST)

== Sheeagh ==

What the heck does that mean? {{unsigned|Skywarp Prime}}
:It's just a death scream. Also, sign your posts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:59, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
Sorry about that.[[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

== DUMB ANIMALS ==
"Haw! It's come to something when '''Decepticon''' leaders start worrying about '''''dumb animals!'''''"

'''Ruckus, [[Deadly Obsession]]'''

"'''Hah!''' Look at them '''cringe''' and '''cower!''' Pathetic puddles of '''flesh!''' Humans--what a wholly '''forgettable''' form of life! Ironic then, that the key me winning the leadership of the Decepticons may well depend on one of these ''dumb animals!''"

'''Starscream, [[The Human Factor!]]'''

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 16:18, 28 January 2020 (EST)
: Can you find any more examples? We typically prefer to have at least three or four before considering it for the list. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:30, 28 January 2020 (EST)