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You know, I'm reallly trying to remain calm, and it's a bit expected after the first one and everything, but seriously, book in hand, and ''oh my freaking god you guys for reals.'' - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:39, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:Is it that cool? Because the first one has already taken the definition of "loaded with Easter eggs, in-jokes and other cool stuff" to previously non-existent levels. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:49, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Broke the scale, off the charts, shattered trousers past what Rocherts did with LSotW, and maybe blew our socks off if anything from his reaction. :D All I know is that I'm going to be giggling/squeeing quietly to myself, looking a loon, after I pick them up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 13:16, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Let me put it this way: On page 9, we get [[Octus (Animated)]]. And it's all uphill from there... [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Alignment is now canon ==

You magnificent bastards. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 13:29, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:Hnnh, and here we all [[Talk: Alignment|thought Jim was just joking]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:41, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::The [[Template:Apocrypha|apocrypha template]] feels unlove. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:44, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It hasn't even been finalized yet! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:08, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Alignment? Canon?
::::Good grief. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:18, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
Details, please? I don't know of any way for Alignment-as-a-whole to become canon other than to be reprinted in its entirety in an official publication. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:In the in-universe introduction, the authors note that they were going to take on Decepticon disguises from "Alignment, the true and accurate account of the future of Primax 984.0 Gamma as chronicled by Simon Furman". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:: UNRELIABLE NARRATOR --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:33, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::The fact remains that the specific story details of Alignment were never approved by Hasbro. Does Alignment become official simply because another official publication says so in such broad terms? [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 07:21, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::You know, that's a good point. I wouldn't think Alignment can become official until it's actually approved as such by Hasbro. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Yet another question for the next Hasbro Q&A. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:51, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Isn't Liege Maximo being one of the 13 from Alignment? And "Galvatron II"? Seems like at some point it is pointless to argue against it being in canon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:55, 1 July 2010 (EDT) (double checking my facts caused me to forget to sign)
:::::::Technically, Liege Maximo being one of the 13 was canonically from "Exodus" and "Galvatron II" was from a Japanese exclusive toy. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:50, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Hasbro approved publication of ''this'' book, and there's absolutely no other sane way to interpret authorial intent, here. The creators of this canonical Transformers book intended to make Alignment canonical. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, it's not like the statement was completely obscured within universal-stream language, either, meaning Hasbro could easily miss it. It's pretty straight-forward. Unfortunately. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Unfortunately? Alignment was awesome. Hell, it's part of my personal canon.
::::::I'll just shut up now before I start rambling. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:03, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I dunno, it all seems kind of silly to me. Because, hey, I have several fanfics (not by me) I wouldn't mind seeing canonized if we can suddenly make official with a single sentence (in a book in a different continuity by a different author, to boot) things that were never approved or officially published by Hasbro. (An author deciding to borrow elements from an unofficial story into his own official one is very different than trying to declare an entire as-is unofficial story as official canon.)
:::::::This seems to me like playing a bit too much more fast and loose with the canon wand than we should be. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:13, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Hasbro ''also'' officially approved and published the Ultimate Guide, in which Simon Furman himself says Alignment is unofficial fanfic. As so often is the case when we get into author-intentism, it is now a contest of which author's intent we validate. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:32, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I'm much more inclined to go with the intent of the writer of the contested piece proper. Soooooo... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:49, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Later material, by definition, supercedes earlier material, yes? Ergo, previously Hasbro didn't consider it canon (when TUG went to print), but as of 2010 they do. Same as the singularity-god-Unicron thing overriding his G1toon origin, f'rinstance. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 13:35, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Not unless it's later material in the exact same continuity a la IDW or such where the later writer actually has some "right" to change the work.
::::::::::And things like the Sentinel/Zeta mixup (and there's been implications that "Hail and Farewell" also is an example) show that Hasbro or its appointed editors sometimes approve things they didn't realize the full ramifications of and later backtrack on. Do we have evidence that the current Hasbro folks know what Alignment is, rather than just thinking it was some imaginary book/story Sorenson made up out of thin air as a cute reference?
::::::::::Unless we do, I'm with Sipher on this one. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:57, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Furman says Alignment is fanfic, but does that mean that he would be against canonizing it? Saying it is fanfic is a statement of fact, it was produced without official approval. But Furman has used concepts from Alignment elsewhere so he is apparently open to the possibility of it coming into continuity. But the final arbiter is Hasbro, and I'm pretty sure your "thinking it was some imaginary book/story Sorenson made up" theory is correct. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:16, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::We have never stopped to question whether Hasbro knows or cares about the minutiae in Transformers fiction and works. Why the hell are we starting ''now''? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Because up until now (AFAIK) we've never been faced with declaring a previously unofficial story as official and canon, have we? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:33, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::If it is in-universe, does that mean "the authors" you speak of are [[Bill Forster (Animated)]] and [[Jim Sorenson (Animated)]]? And this document they are talking about is "Alignment (Animated history book)" and this Simon Furman is "Simon Furman (Animated)"? Unless [[Alignment]] crossed dimensions from Quadwal to Malgus or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:50, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::If we're getting that down-to-details, I always had a problem declaring Beta Maxx and Caliburn to be Micromasters based on a magazine cover in an Amimated book. Doesn't that mag cover signify the creation of Beta Maxx (Animated) and Caliburn (Animated)? -- [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 17:44, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::They were Micromasters well before then, actually. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:42, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Right, they were always Micromasters. Also, that magazine spoken of is a multiversal magazine, so all of the folks mentioned on it were the originals. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:26, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::There ''are'' times I like the way you people think. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::And on the other hand, there are times when I want to punch you people really hard. In the face. Twice. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:30, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Only a punch in the face instead of murder? Either you're slipping or we are, McFeely. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:16, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Do you know how much Cybertronix I've translated tonight? I'm too tired for murder... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:18, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
(Reducing indents for readability.) I'm honestly surprised this is a matter for debate. We have here a genuine Transformers product which says, in the introduction, in nigh-on so many words, that "Alignment" by Simon Furman is now canon for the Marvel Comics universe. I mean, what do we want, a burning bush? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:52, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:Primus projecting his voice into our heads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

Actually, McFeely, I'm joining you in wanting to punch people. This tendency to accept as canon statements from people who have no connection whatsoever to what they're retconning since they're neither editors nor official writers in that continuity is getting into irritating fanwank territory. 
Especially when it comes to things like Killzone and Sentinel Major, when you have the people who ''wrote the stories in question still here and present'' and telling you basically "No, sorry, it doesn't work that way". --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:15, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Season 4: Apocryphal or . . . ? ==

So, Almanac 2 contains an episode-by-episode synopsis of what Animated season 4 would have been. Since this is material included in an official Transformers publication, it obviously has a place in this wiki. I assume, however, that we don't count these events as ''actually having happened'' in the Animated universe? (I mean, an argument can be made that the events "happened", and we're just learning about them in canonical text-blurb form instead of canonical animated episode form . . . ) [[User:JW|JW]] 23:00, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:The events did not happen. Unwritten and unpublished stories are at the same level as unreleased toys. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:13, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::...er, these ''are'' published, though. Actually, I think I have an easy solution, which will have to be backed up by someone who has the book already. Does this part of the book have the "out of universe" hazard border or not?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:38, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It does. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:15, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Then that likely settles it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== What To Do With Bludgeon (Animated)? ==

This book includes concept drawings for Bludgeon (Animated), who could have been a character in Season 4. (Here's a hint: Arrrr!) Since he never actually appeared, he presumably doesn't deserve his own page, but he's kinda cool. Where should he be mentioned? This page, nowhere at all, in our hearts? [[User:JW|JW]] 01:04, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:We have plenty of pages on unreleased characters. See [[:Category:Things that don't exist]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:12, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::I assume we also do this with all the other "would've been in Season 4 but Animated got cancelled" stuff? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:14, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:::We could make a Transformers Animated Season 4 page that could include blurbs of all this information, rather than have small individual articles with little information cluttering up the Things that don't exist category. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 11:33, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I agree. As we discussed with the first AA (on things like "M'kraan crystal (Animated)", it is useless to create a unique page that would never contain any more content than the linking and disambiguation pages that led to it in the first place. There should be an aggregated "List of Unused Season 4 Concepts", and possibly even a "List of Minor Characters Mentioned in AA2" (those who are only name-dropped and who get less than one sentence of content). [[Overlord (Animated)]] is probably right at the threshold of who could ever deserve to have a unique page: we know his faction, have an image, and literally one sentence of story. I think peeps with less than that should all be gang-treated on one page, because they're so slight it would be hard to imagine anybody looking for them on their own. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:49, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Then throw the unused S4 stuff in Things that don't exist. It makes sense and I like the category. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:26, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::I agree with Thylacine on the creation of a [[Transformers Animated Season 4]] page, where we can throw the S4 plot synopses and assorted character concepts. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:11, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

== Gargent Cluster ==
Now that the Tonka GoBots have their own Universal Stream continuity family indicator, does that make them canon enough to include on this wiki? PLEASE? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 15:42, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:Not to mention the Xobitor stream. Robotix, man, Ro-freakin'-botix! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:16, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::Robotix is small enough to cover here in one page, alla the Tonka GoBots page. Maybe this could revive the GoBot sister wiki idea. Last I recall it was voted for and then nothing ever happened in constructing it.--[[Special:Contributions/99.111.196.209|99.111.196.209]] 16:19, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::: There's a Quadwal cluster, but that doesn't mean we cover real life. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:07, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::: To be fair, we actually DO cover beings from Quadwal cluster, such as [[Jim Sorenson (Animated)|Jim Sorenson]] and [[Bill Forster (Animated)|Bill Forster]] who are from Quadwal -3760.925 -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:17, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::We cover them if and when they feature in Transformers media!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:43, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Say, why don't we write up articles for every single Marvel Comics character ever-ever-ever too? I mean, the TFs fought Doctor Doom, and he fought or met or mentioned nearly all the rest. Right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:58, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

== Xobitor ==

Is this the first Robotix crossover, or was [[Hector Ramirez (G1)|Hector Ramirez]] in the show or something? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:12, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

== Annotations ==

[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html WHA-DOOOOSH]. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:03, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:I've only read a small fraction of this, but ''MY HEAD HAS EXPLODED'' is my initial reaction.
:Thank you for making my day and taking my mind off the stuff that took place over some edits to the TF3 page. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:15, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
::...Oh, man, this is awesome. I have to get this! -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:::They referenced the STATLER BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my god! My hed asplode! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
Nice! Two minor reference corrections, though. "Bored now" was also said by "Dark Willow" and the company from ''Alien'' is spelled Weyland-Yutani. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:33, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:And I will be sticking my fingers in my ears when it comes to the "English names" of the BWN planets. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:35, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
::I think I'll join you in the "sticking my fingers in my ears", but not because of the BWN planets. No, I'm doing it because of the Cybertronian term for a rhino, which is "Nosoron", which is the Polish name for BW Rhinox. ARGH. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:56, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:"Gizmo" is the name of the robot from Superbook. "Robik" is the "this is totally not Gizmo!" name. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:36, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
Errors and notices in the annotations
* Pgs 80-81 - "The Gargent cluster was discovered by Advenas and Cheetor of the ''TransTech'' universe," - Adventus' name is misspelled and it should say Silverbolt instead of Cheetor.
* Page 81, the answer to 155 DOWN in the crossword is missing.
* Pgs 92-93 - "September 19, 19239" hasn't ''happened'' yet (in A.D./C.E.).
* Pgs 104-105 - "In the upper right are two “seals”" - upper ''left'', actually. Also, you've neglected to mention that the Autobot Security Services symbol is set inside a Powerlinx symbol from the ''Energon'' series, and that the Ancient Autobot symbol in the lower-right corner is set inside an Energon symbol also from the ''Energon'' series.
* Pgs 114-115 - A bit minor , but New Kaon is not written in bold text.
* Pgs 114-115 - In the McColamo description, Epsilon Ariadne is misspelled as "Epsilon Airadne"
* Pgs 114-115 - Regarding Hive, technically the ''Headmasters'' version of this planet is called "Hachi no Susei" (or just "[[Susei]]" for short), it's only "hive" in the Omni dub.
* Pgs 114-115 - Again minor, but it isn't mentioned that the book spells Methuselah as "Methusula". Also, Protos is said to be Primacron's lab, not Methuselah (but then again, the way it's worded can make this debatable).
* Pgs 114-115 - In addition to Gaia's connection to Isaac Asimov's ''Foundation'' series, what about it also being the name of Earth in BWII and Neo (after all, Energoa got put in there too)?
* Pgs 114-115 - Telezart is missing from the list of neutral/unclaimed planets.
* Pg 125 - funny unmentioned tidbit, but "D2rz" kinda sounds like "detours"
* Pg 128 - the book misspells Xaaron as "Xarron"
That's all for now. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:14, 16 January 2011 (EST)

== Nintenduu LVIX ==

Don't have the Almanac myself, so is this the correct spelling? 64 should be LXIV, not LVIX. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:25, 1 August 2010 (EDT)
:It's LXIV in the book. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:50, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

== Title ==

This may be a stupid question, but why isn't the article at "Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II" like on the cover? (And as seen [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/06/allspark-almanac-ii-signing-in-burbank.html here].) - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:10, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
:My vote is to change the page title to be consistent with the actual book title. - [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 12:48, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
::I agree. Let's be consistent. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:56, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some more planet references ==

Cpt Rufus here when I should be going to bed. So I cannot go all cited references right now.

But here are more planets I spotted. Someone feel free to cut n past and cite if you want, or prove me wrong if I am mistaken. Its why I am posting it here instead of on the wiki proper.
There are a TON of nerd references on this map. I get the feeling almost every single one is even if its an actual astronomical location.

** The 8 planets in the Tiresia union are planets from the Robotech Sentinels series that were mostly only mentioned in the novels. The classifications are correct.
** Yautja is the novel name for the Predator species of fighting Arnold fame.
** Necronom IV is the name of the HR Geiger painting that became the basis for the Alien of fighting Ellen Ripley fame.
** Eberron is the name of a Dungeons & Dragons campaign world.
** Gor is the name of the planet from the misogynistic fetish novel series of the same name.
** Arus and Doom are the main planets in Lion Team Voltron.
** Stroggos is the alien world and race from Quake 2 and 4 as well.
** New Avalon is the capital planet of House Davion in the Battletech franchise.
** SR 388 is the Metroid homeworld from the Nintendo Metroid games.
** Kobol is the apparent birthplace of humanity (kinda) in Battlestar Galactica.
** Fleed is the home planet of Duke Fleed from Go Nagai's UFO Robot Grendizer.
** Mongo may be a reference to Flash Gordon, the home planet of his nemesis Ming the Merciless.
** Ork is either Mork from Ork, the early 80s sitcom starring Robin Williams, or the Orks from Warhammer 40,000 who seem to be the only Orcs who use a K instead.
** Airlandia may be a reference to Hasbro toy property "Air Raiders".
** Crystallium might refer to Remco's "Crystar" toys.
** Melmac is the home planet of the fuzzy cat eating race "Alf" belongs to.
** Jion is another spelling for Zeon, the kind of Nazi-ish antagonists in Mobile Suit Gundam.
** Macron may refer to Macron-1 a Saban import of 2 unrelated anime series that aired in the US alongside G1 Season 3.

Im sure I am right on most of the ones above, but a few are more or less unchecked guesses based on memories and speculation.

And is it wrong I want to run an RPG campaign using the Animated verse and this galaxy map?
:[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html We know.] And nobody cares about your RPG. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:12, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I was impressed anyway! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:09, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== The Transformers References section, red links, and consistency ==

Okay, this is bothering me. In the Transformers References section, are we linking to the things from previous Transformers incarnations that all these little shout-outs actually reference, or are we creating new "Whatever (Animated)" pages for all for all of them? Currently, we have a little of both, and the lack of consistency bothers me (as do all the red links for articles that haven't been created yet). Take Sari's Master Blades, for example. The name is obviously a reference to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade from Masterforce]]; do we send the link there, or do we send it to "[[Master Blades (Animated)]]"? I personally vote for the former method; this is the Transformers ''References'' section after all, so it makes sense to point to the thing that's being referenced. If we do actually make articles for all these places and things that get mentioned, we can link to them from the appropriate character/episode/whatever main article.

Detour, I'm especially interested in hearing your opinion on this, since I suspect you probably don't agree with me on this point. - [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 02:54, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
: Third option - "Sari's [[Master Blades (Animated)|Master Blades]] are named as an homage to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade]] from the [[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce franchise]]." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:17, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
::I nominate the third. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:39, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
:::If we'll never ever be able to populate a page with more info than what is already stated on the page that linked to it, I suggest not creating it in the first place--in this case, not creating a separate page for "Master Blades (Animated)" at all. We went through this with Almanac 1, deciding not to create "M'kraan Crystal (Animated)", and recently people have suggested the same thing for the moons of [[Thulsa Doom]]. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:16, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Then it should be "Sari's Master Blades are named as an homage to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade]] from the [[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce franchise]]." That way it is clear that what is in the Almanac is an homage to the original and not the same thing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:16, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::Is that not made obvious enough by the fact that a) it's listed in the References section and b) ''Animated'' and ''Masterforce'' aren't even the same continuity ''family'', much less the same continuity? It seems that in the few cases where they ''are'' the same thing (IE the Vector Sigma bits and the various reports on things happening in different universal streams), we could draw attention to the fact, and that the default assumption would be that anything else familiar-looking is an homage. -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 12:16, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::No, I don't think you can assume that sort of thing with the Almanacs. Best to explicitly note it as a homage. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:08, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

== Current text for Season 4 ==

Hi there, I'm sorry I didn't create an account here to write this comment but I shall be brief. Someone on another site e-mailed me asking me if I could provide them with information about what was going to happen in the cancelled Season 4 of TFA. I answered in full, using a combination of information from the AllSpark Almanac II, various interviews with Derrick Wyatt I had listened to, and also some 'filling in the gaps' logic. This person then, without my knowledge, copied and pasted my answer onto this page in the Season 4 section. However, as some of it doesn't come from the AAII, isn't it inappropriate for this page? I personally am not too comfortable with someone directly lifing a conversation I assumed was in confidence and puttig it on the wiki. Also, I'd hate to be responsible for any misinformation coming from my 'hunches' being on here. If anyone who uses this site agrees, would they be so kind as to delete it? Thank you.
- Ridikill
:Yes, it is inappropriate for this page if it contains information not from the book. Also it says underneath the edit box "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource." and emails are not public domain. Thanks for letting us know! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:12, 12 December 2010 (EST)

== Which character models should I scan? ==
[[Image:RaptureMarvel79.jpg|thumb]]

I'd really like to contribute to the wiki more than just the occasional link fixing, typo fix and vandalism reverts, so I thought why not take advantage of the fact that I got the Almanacs recently? If I am allowed to scan in character models from this (I'm a little fuzzy on this whole image uploading malarkey), which ones? Besides the obvious ones for characters that don't have pages yet (Chase, Mirage, Wheelie, Pipes and Ramhorn) and the ones who don't have images (Lightbright, Magnificus, Stretch and Volks to my memory), I think Furao, Sedan, Sky Garry, Dai Atlas, Yoketron, Alpha Trion, Red Alert, Brawn, Highbrow, Seaspray, Huffer (maybe), Cosmos and Cyclonus could benefit from this (some more than others). Maybe some headshots from the Cyber-Ninja Corps pages Any thoughts? Particularly on how to scan the ones closer to the middle (if you catch my drift)? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 17:33, 13 January 2011 (EST)
: If you do scan images, make sure to set your scanner to magazine color mode so the images are free of spot color artifacts. I do agree that there are quite a few characters that need images. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:52, 13 January 2011 (EST)
:: ...spot colour artifacts? What are those? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 18:02, 13 January 2011 (EST)
::: See the pattern of tiny colored dots that make up Rapture's skin tone? If this image were scanned in "magazine mode," that would be a solid color. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:13, 13 January 2011 (EST)
:::: Ah...well, I'm in deep shit. My test scan of Dai Atlas not only has those tiny dots, but the outline is blurry and you can see the text from the previous page behind him. I don't think my scanner ''has'' a magazine colour mode, it just has Document, Photo, and two kinds of ADF things that I have no idea what they are. There goes my attempt at being useful. Although maybe I can create the pages that need to be created and then people with better scanners can do the pictures. Yeah, that's the ticket. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 18:21, 13 January 2011 (EST)

== Tons more of characters to go! ==

And I mean a lot. Just sayin'. - [[User:CountFrankenBot|CFB]] 07:26, 11 February 2011 (EDT)

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Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II

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You know, I'm reallly trying to remain calm, and it's a bit expected after the first one and everything, but seriously, book in hand, and ''oh my freaking god you guys for reals.'' - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:39, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:Is it that cool? Because the first one has already taken the definition of "loaded with Easter eggs, in-jokes and other cool stuff" to previously non-existent levels. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:49, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Broke the scale, off the charts, shattered trousers past what Rocherts did with LSotW, and maybe blew our socks off if anything from his reaction. :D All I know is that I'm going to be giggling/squeeing quietly to myself, looking a loon, after I pick them up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 13:16, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Let me put it this way: On page 9, we get [[Octus (Animated)]]. And it's all uphill from there... [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Alignment is now canon ==

You magnificent bastards. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 13:29, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:Hnnh, and here we all [[Talk: Alignment|thought Jim was just joking]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:41, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::The [[Template:Apocrypha|apocrypha template]] feels unlove. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:44, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It hasn't even been finalized yet! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:08, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Alignment? Canon?
::::Good grief. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:18, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
Details, please? I don't know of any way for Alignment-as-a-whole to become canon other than to be reprinted in its entirety in an official publication. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:In the in-universe introduction, the authors note that they were going to take on Decepticon disguises from "Alignment, the true and accurate account of the future of Primax 984.0 Gamma as chronicled by Simon Furman". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:: UNRELIABLE NARRATOR --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:33, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::The fact remains that the specific story details of Alignment were never approved by Hasbro. Does Alignment become official simply because another official publication says so in such broad terms? [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 07:21, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::You know, that's a good point. I wouldn't think Alignment can become official until it's actually approved as such by Hasbro. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Yet another question for the next Hasbro Q&A. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:51, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Isn't Liege Maximo being one of the 13 from Alignment? And "Galvatron II"? Seems like at some point it is pointless to argue against it being in canon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:55, 1 July 2010 (EDT) (double checking my facts caused me to forget to sign)
:::::::Technically, Liege Maximo being one of the 13 was canonically from "Exodus" and "Galvatron II" was from a Japanese exclusive toy. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:50, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Hasbro approved publication of ''this'' book, and there's absolutely no other sane way to interpret authorial intent, here. The creators of this canonical Transformers book intended to make Alignment canonical. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, it's not like the statement was completely obscured within universal-stream language, either, meaning Hasbro could easily miss it. It's pretty straight-forward. Unfortunately. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Unfortunately? Alignment was awesome. Hell, it's part of my personal canon.
::::::I'll just shut up now before I start rambling. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:03, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I dunno, it all seems kind of silly to me. Because, hey, I have several fanfics (not by me) I wouldn't mind seeing canonized if we can suddenly make official with a single sentence (in a book in a different continuity by a different author, to boot) things that were never approved or officially published by Hasbro. (An author deciding to borrow elements from an unofficial story into his own official one is very different than trying to declare an entire as-is unofficial story as official canon.)
:::::::This seems to me like playing a bit too much more fast and loose with the canon wand than we should be. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:13, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Hasbro ''also'' officially approved and published the Ultimate Guide, in which Simon Furman himself says Alignment is unofficial fanfic. As so often is the case when we get into author-intentism, it is now a contest of which author's intent we validate. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:32, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I'm much more inclined to go with the intent of the writer of the contested piece proper. Soooooo... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:49, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Later material, by definition, supercedes earlier material, yes? Ergo, previously Hasbro didn't consider it canon (when TUG went to print), but as of 2010 they do. Same as the singularity-god-Unicron thing overriding his G1toon origin, f'rinstance. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 13:35, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Not unless it's later material in the exact same continuity a la IDW or such where the later writer actually has some "right" to change the work.
::::::::::And things like the Sentinel/Zeta mixup (and there's been implications that "Hail and Farewell" also is an example) show that Hasbro or its appointed editors sometimes approve things they didn't realize the full ramifications of and later backtrack on. Do we have evidence that the current Hasbro folks know what Alignment is, rather than just thinking it was some imaginary book/story Sorenson made up out of thin air as a cute reference?
::::::::::Unless we do, I'm with Sipher on this one. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:57, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Furman says Alignment is fanfic, but does that mean that he would be against canonizing it? Saying it is fanfic is a statement of fact, it was produced without official approval. But Furman has used concepts from Alignment elsewhere so he is apparently open to the possibility of it coming into continuity. But the final arbiter is Hasbro, and I'm pretty sure your "thinking it was some imaginary book/story Sorenson made up" theory is correct. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:16, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::We have never stopped to question whether Hasbro knows or cares about the minutiae in Transformers fiction and works. Why the hell are we starting ''now''? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Because up until now (AFAIK) we've never been faced with declaring a previously unofficial story as official and canon, have we? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:33, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::If it is in-universe, does that mean "the authors" you speak of are [[Bill Forster (Animated)]] and [[Jim Sorenson (Animated)]]? And this document they are talking about is "Alignment (Animated history book)" and this Simon Furman is "Simon Furman (Animated)"? Unless [[Alignment]] crossed dimensions from Quadwal to Malgus or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:50, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::If we're getting that down-to-details, I always had a problem declaring Beta Maxx and Caliburn to be Micromasters based on a magazine cover in an Amimated book. Doesn't that mag cover signify the creation of Beta Maxx (Animated) and Caliburn (Animated)? -- [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 17:44, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::They were Micromasters well before then, actually. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:42, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Right, they were always Micromasters. Also, that magazine spoken of is a multiversal magazine, so all of the folks mentioned on it were the originals. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:26, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::There ''are'' times I like the way you people think. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::And on the other hand, there are times when I want to punch you people really hard. In the face. Twice. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:30, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Only a punch in the face instead of murder? Either you're slipping or we are, McFeely. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:16, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Do you know how much Cybertronix I've translated tonight? I'm too tired for murder... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:18, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
(Reducing indents for readability.) I'm honestly surprised this is a matter for debate. We have here a genuine Transformers product which says, in the introduction, in nigh-on so many words, that "Alignment" by Simon Furman is now canon for the Marvel Comics universe. I mean, what do we want, a burning bush? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:52, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:Primus projecting his voice into our heads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

Actually, McFeely, I'm joining you in wanting to punch people. This tendency to accept as canon statements from people who have no connection whatsoever to what they're retconning since they're neither editors nor official writers in that continuity is getting into irritating fanwank territory. 
Especially when it comes to things like Killzone and Sentinel Major, when you have the people who ''wrote the stories in question still here and present'' and telling you basically "No, sorry, it doesn't work that way". --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:15, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Season 4: Apocryphal or . . . ? ==

So, Almanac 2 contains an episode-by-episode synopsis of what Animated season 4 would have been. Since this is material included in an official Transformers publication, it obviously has a place in this wiki. I assume, however, that we don't count these events as ''actually having happened'' in the Animated universe? (I mean, an argument can be made that the events "happened", and we're just learning about them in canonical text-blurb form instead of canonical animated episode form . . . ) [[User:JW|JW]] 23:00, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:The events did not happen. Unwritten and unpublished stories are at the same level as unreleased toys. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:13, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::...er, these ''are'' published, though. Actually, I think I have an easy solution, which will have to be backed up by someone who has the book already. Does this part of the book have the "out of universe" hazard border or not?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:38, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It does. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:15, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Then that likely settles it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== What To Do With Bludgeon (Animated)? ==

This book includes concept drawings for Bludgeon (Animated), who could have been a character in Season 4. (Here's a hint: Arrrr!) Since he never actually appeared, he presumably doesn't deserve his own page, but he's kinda cool. Where should he be mentioned? This page, nowhere at all, in our hearts? [[User:JW|JW]] 01:04, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:We have plenty of pages on unreleased characters. See [[:Category:Things that don't exist]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:12, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::I assume we also do this with all the other "would've been in Season 4 but Animated got cancelled" stuff? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:14, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:::We could make a Transformers Animated Season 4 page that could include blurbs of all this information, rather than have small individual articles with little information cluttering up the Things that don't exist category. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 11:33, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I agree. As we discussed with the first AA (on things like [[M'kraan crystal (Animated)]], it is useless to create a unique page that would never contain any more content than the linking and disambiguation pages that led to it in the first place. There should be an aggregated "List of Unused Season 4 Concepts", and possibly even a "List of Minor Characters Mentioned in AA2" (those who are only name-dropped and who get less than one sentence of content). [[Overlord (Animated)]] is probably right at the threshold of who could ever deserve to have a unique page: we know his faction, have an image, and literally one sentence of story. I think peeps with less than that should all be gang-treated on one page, because they're so slight it would be hard to imagine anybody looking for them on their own. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:49, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Then throw the unused S4 stuff in Things that don't exist. It makes sense and I like the category. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:26, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::I agree with Thylacine on the creation of a [[Transformers Animated Season 4]] page, where we can throw the S4 plot synopses and assorted character concepts. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:11, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

== Gargent Cluster ==
Now that the Tonka GoBots have their own Universal Stream continuity family indicator, does that make them canon enough to include on this wiki? PLEASE? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 15:42, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:Not to mention the Xobitor stream. Robotix, man, Ro-freakin'-botix! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:16, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::Robotix is small enough to cover here in one page, alla the Tonka GoBots page. Maybe this could revive the GoBot sister wiki idea. Last I recall it was voted for and then nothing ever happened in constructing it.--[[Special:Contributions/99.111.196.209|99.111.196.209]] 16:19, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::: There's a Quadwal cluster, but that doesn't mean we cover real life. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:07, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::: To be fair, we actually DO cover beings from Quadwal cluster, such as [[Jim Sorenson (Animated)|Jim Sorenson]] and [[Bill Forster (Animated)|Bill Forster]] who are from Quadwal -3760.925 -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:17, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::We cover them if and when they feature in Transformers media!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:43, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Say, why don't we write up articles for every single Marvel Comics character ever-ever-ever too? I mean, the TFs fought Doctor Doom, and he fought or met or mentioned nearly all the rest. Right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:58, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

== Xobitor ==

Is this the first Robotix crossover, or was [[Hector Ramirez (G1)|Hector Ramirez]] in the show or something? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:12, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

== Annotations ==

[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html WHA-DOOOOSH]. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:03, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:I've only read a small fraction of this, but ''MY HEAD HAS EXPLODED'' is my initial reaction.
:Thank you for making my day and taking my mind off the stuff that took place over some edits to the TF3 page. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:15, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
::...Oh, man, this is awesome. I have to get this! -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:::They referenced the STATLER BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my god! My hed asplode! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
Nice! Two minor reference corrections, though. "Bored now" was also said by "Dark Willow" and the company from ''Alien'' is spelled Weyland-Yutani. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:33, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:And I will be sticking my fingers in my ears when it comes to the "English names" of the BWN planets. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:35, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
::I think I'll join you in the "sticking my fingers in my ears", but not because of the BWN planets. No, I'm doing it because of the Cybertronian term for a rhino, which is "Nosoron", which is the Polish name for BW Rhinox. ARGH. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:56, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:"Gizmo" is the name of the robot from Superbook. "Robik" is the "this is totally not Gizmo!" name. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:36, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nintenduu LVIX ==

Don't have the Almanac myself, so is this the correct spelling? 64 should be LXIV, not LVIX. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:25, 1 August 2010 (EDT)
:It's LXIV in the book. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:50, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

== Title ==

This may be a stupid question, but why isn't the article at "Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II" like on the cover? (And as seen [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/06/allspark-almanac-ii-signing-in-burbank.html here].) - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:10, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
:My vote is to change the page title to be consistent with the actual book title. - [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 12:48, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
::I agree. Let's be consistent. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:56, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some more planet references ==

Cpt Rufus here when I should be going to bed. So I cannot go all cited references right now.

But here are more planets I spotted. Someone feel free to cut n past and cite if you want, or prove me wrong if I am mistaken. Its why I am posting it here instead of on the wiki proper.
There are a TON of nerd references on this map. I get the feeling almost every single one is even if its an actual astronomical location.

** The 8 planets in the Tiresia union are planets from the Robotech Sentinels series that were mostly only mentioned in the novels. The classifications are correct.
** Yautja is the novel name for the Predator species of fighting Arnold fame.
** Necronom IV is the name of the HR Geiger painting that became the basis for the Alien of fighting Ellen Ripley fame.
** Eberron is the name of a Dungeons & Dragons campaign world.
** Gor is the name of the planet from the misogynistic fetish novel series of the same name.
** Arus and Doom are the main planets in Lion Team Voltron.
** Stroggos is the alien world and race from Quake 2 and 4 as well.
** New Avalon is the capital planet of House Davion in the Battletech franchise.
** SR 388 is the Metroid homeworld from the Nintendo Metroid games.
** Kobol is the apparent birthplace of humanity (kinda) in Battlestar Galactica.
** Fleed is the home planet of Duke Fleed from Go Nagai's UFO Robot Grendizer.
** Mongo may be a reference to Flash Gordon, the home planet of his nemesis Ming the Merciless.
** Ork is either Mork from Ork, the early 80s sitcom starring Robin Williams, or the Orks from Warhammer 40,000 who seem to be the only Orcs who use a K instead.
** Airlandia may be a reference to Hasbro toy property "Air Raiders".
** Crystallium might refer to Remco's "Crystar" toys.
** Melmac is the home planet of the fuzzy cat eating race "Alf" belongs to.
** Jion is another spelling for Zeon, the kind of Nazi-ish antagonists in Mobile Suit Gundam.
** Macron may refer to Macron-1 a Saban import of 2 unrelated anime series that aired in the US alongside G1 Season 3.

Im sure I am right on most of the ones above, but a few are more or less unchecked guesses based on memories and speculation.

And is it wrong I want to run an RPG campaign using the Animated verse and this galaxy map?
:[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html We know.] And nobody cares about your RPG. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:12, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I was impressed anyway! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:09, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== The Transformers References section, red links, and consistency ==

Okay, this is bothering me. In the Transformers References section, are we linking to the things from previous Transformers incarnations that all these little shout-outs actually reference, or are we creating new "Whatever (Animated)" pages for all for all of them? Currently, we have a little of both, and the lack of consistency bothers me (as do all the red links for articles that haven't been created yet). Take Sari's Master Blades, for example. The name is obviously a reference to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade from Masterforce]]; do we send the link there, or do we send it to "[[Master Blades (Animated)]]"? I personally vote for the former method; this is the Transformers ''References'' section after all, so it makes sense to point to the thing that's being referenced. If we do actually make articles for all these places and things that get mentioned, we can link to them from the appropriate character/episode/whatever main article.

Detour, I'm especially interested in hearing your opinion on this, since I suspect you probably don't agree with me on this point. - [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 02:54, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
: Third option - "Sari's [[Master Blades (Animated)|Master Blades]] are named as an homage to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade]] from the [[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce franchise]]." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:17, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
::I nominate the third. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:39, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
:::If we'll never ever be able to populate a page with more info than what is already stated on the page that linked to it, I suggest not creating it in the first place--in this case, not creating a separate page for "Master Blades (Animated)" at all. We went through this with Almanac 1, deciding not to create "M'kraan Crystal (Animated)", and recently people have suggested the same thing for the moons of [[Thulsa Doom]]. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:16, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Then it should be "Sari's Master Blades are named as an homage to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade]] from the [[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce franchise]]." That way it is clear that what is in the Almanac is an homage to the original and not the same thing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:16, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::Is that not made obvious enough by the fact that a) it's listed in the References section and b) ''Animated'' and ''Masterforce'' aren't even the same continuity ''family'', much less the same continuity? It seems that in the few cases where they ''are'' the same thing (IE the Vector Sigma bits and the various reports on things happening in different universal streams), we could draw attention to the fact, and that the default assumption would be that anything else familiar-looking is an homage. -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 12:16, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::No, I don't think you can assume that sort of thing with the Almanacs. Best to explicitly note it as a homage. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:08, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II

2010-08-29T09:56:21Z

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You know, I'm reallly trying to remain calm, and it's a bit expected after the first one and everything, but seriously, book in hand, and ''oh my freaking god you guys for reals.'' - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:39, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:Is it that cool? Because the first one has already taken the definition of "loaded with Easter eggs, in-jokes and other cool stuff" to previously non-existent levels. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:49, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Broke the scale, off the charts, shattered trousers past what Rocherts did with LSotW, and maybe blew our socks off if anything from his reaction. :D All I know is that I'm going to be giggling/squeeing quietly to myself, looking a loon, after I pick them up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 13:16, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Let me put it this way: On page 9, we get [[Octus (Animated)]]. And it's all uphill from there... [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Alignment is now canon ==

You magnificent bastards. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 13:29, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:Hnnh, and here we all [[Talk: Alignment|thought Jim was just joking]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:41, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::The [[Template:Apocrypha|apocrypha template]] feels unlove. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:44, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It hasn't even been finalized yet! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:08, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Alignment? Canon?
::::Good grief. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:18, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
Details, please? I don't know of any way for Alignment-as-a-whole to become canon other than to be reprinted in its entirety in an official publication. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:In the in-universe introduction, the authors note that they were going to take on Decepticon disguises from "Alignment, the true and accurate account of the future of Primax 984.0 Gamma as chronicled by Simon Furman". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:: UNRELIABLE NARRATOR --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:33, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::The fact remains that the specific story details of Alignment were never approved by Hasbro. Does Alignment become official simply because another official publication says so in such broad terms? [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 07:21, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::You know, that's a good point. I wouldn't think Alignment can become official until it's actually approved as such by Hasbro. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Yet another question for the next Hasbro Q&A. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:51, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Isn't Liege Maximo being one of the 13 from Alignment? And "Galvatron II"? Seems like at some point it is pointless to argue against it being in canon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:55, 1 July 2010 (EDT) (double checking my facts caused me to forget to sign)
:::::::Technically, Liege Maximo being one of the 13 was canonically from "Exodus" and "Galvatron II" was from a Japanese exclusive toy. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:50, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Hasbro approved publication of ''this'' book, and there's absolutely no other sane way to interpret authorial intent, here. The creators of this canonical Transformers book intended to make Alignment canonical. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, it's not like the statement was completely obscured within universal-stream language, either, meaning Hasbro could easily miss it. It's pretty straight-forward. Unfortunately. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Unfortunately? Alignment was awesome. Hell, it's part of my personal canon.
::::::I'll just shut up now before I start rambling. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:03, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I dunno, it all seems kind of silly to me. Because, hey, I have several fanfics (not by me) I wouldn't mind seeing canonized if we can suddenly make official with a single sentence (in a book in a different continuity by a different author, to boot) things that were never approved or officially published by Hasbro. (An author deciding to borrow elements from an unofficial story into his own official one is very different than trying to declare an entire as-is unofficial story as official canon.)
:::::::This seems to me like playing a bit too much more fast and loose with the canon wand than we should be. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:13, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Hasbro ''also'' officially approved and published the Ultimate Guide, in which Simon Furman himself says Alignment is unofficial fanfic. As so often is the case when we get into author-intentism, it is now a contest of which author's intent we validate. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:32, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I'm much more inclined to go with the intent of the writer of the contested piece proper. Soooooo... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:49, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Later material, by definition, supercedes earlier material, yes? Ergo, previously Hasbro didn't consider it canon (when TUG went to print), but as of 2010 they do. Same as the singularity-god-Unicron thing overriding his G1toon origin, f'rinstance. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 13:35, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Not unless it's later material in the exact same continuity a la IDW or such where the later writer actually has some "right" to change the work.
::::::::::And things like the Sentinel/Zeta mixup (and there's been implications that "Hail and Farewell" also is an example) show that Hasbro or its appointed editors sometimes approve things they didn't realize the full ramifications of and later backtrack on. Do we have evidence that the current Hasbro folks know what Alignment is, rather than just thinking it was some imaginary book/story Sorenson made up out of thin air as a cute reference?
::::::::::Unless we do, I'm with Sipher on this one. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:57, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Furman says Alignment is fanfic, but does that mean that he would be against canonizing it? Saying it is fanfic is a statement of fact, it was produced without official approval. But Furman has used concepts from Alignment elsewhere so he is apparently open to the possibility of it coming into continuity. But the final arbiter is Hasbro, and I'm pretty sure your "thinking it was some imaginary book/story Sorenson made up" theory is correct. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:16, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::We have never stopped to question whether Hasbro knows or cares about the minutiae in Transformers fiction and works. Why the hell are we starting ''now''? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Because up until now (AFAIK) we've never been faced with declaring a previously unofficial story as official and canon, have we? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:33, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::If it is in-universe, does that mean "the authors" you speak of are [[Bill Forster (Animated)]] and [[Jim Sorenson (Animated)]]? And this document they are talking about is "Alignment (Animated history book)" and this Simon Furman is "Simon Furman (Animated)"? Unless [[Alignment]] crossed dimensions from Quadwal to Malgus or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:50, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::If we're getting that down-to-details, I always had a problem declaring Beta Maxx and Caliburn to be Micromasters based on a magazine cover in an Amimated book. Doesn't that mag cover signify the creation of Beta Maxx (Animated) and Caliburn (Animated)? -- [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 17:44, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::They were Micromasters well before then, actually. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:42, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Right, they were always Micromasters. Also, that magazine spoken of is a multiversal magazine, so all of the folks mentioned on it were the originals. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:26, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::There ''are'' times I like the way you people think. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::And on the other hand, there are times when I want to punch you people really hard. In the face. Twice. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:30, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Only a punch in the face instead of murder? Either you're slipping or we are, McFeely. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:16, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Do you know how much Cybertronix I've translated tonight? I'm too tired for murder... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:18, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
(Reducing indents for readability.) I'm honestly surprised this is a matter for debate. We have here a genuine Transformers product which says, in the introduction, in nigh-on so many words, that "Alignment" by Simon Furman is now canon for the Marvel Comics universe. I mean, what do we want, a burning bush? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:52, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:Primus projecting his voice into our heads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

Actually, McFeely, I'm joining you in wanting to punch people. This tendency to accept as canon statements from people who have no connection whatsoever to what they're retconning since they're neither editors nor official writers in that continuity is getting into irritating fanwank territory. 
Especially when it comes to things like Killzone and Sentinel Major, when you have the people who ''wrote the stories in question still here and present'' and telling you basically "No, sorry, it doesn't work that way". --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:15, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Season 4: Apocryphal or . . . ? ==

So, Almanac 2 contains an episode-by-episode synopsis of what Animated season 4 would have been. Since this is material included in an official Transformers publication, it obviously has a place in this wiki. I assume, however, that we don't count these events as ''actually having happened'' in the Animated universe? (I mean, an argument can be made that the events "happened", and we're just learning about them in canonical text-blurb form instead of canonical animated episode form . . . ) [[User:JW|JW]] 23:00, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:The events did not happen. Unwritten and unpublished stories are at the same level as unreleased toys. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:13, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::...er, these ''are'' published, though. Actually, I think I have an easy solution, which will have to be backed up by someone who has the book already. Does this part of the book have the "out of universe" hazard border or not?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:38, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It does. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:15, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Then that likely settles it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== What To Do With Bludgeon (Animated)? ==

This book includes concept drawings for Bludgeon (Animated), who could have been a character in Season 4. (Here's a hint: Arrrr!) Since he never actually appeared, he presumably doesn't deserve his own page, but he's kinda cool. Where should he be mentioned? This page, nowhere at all, in our hearts? [[User:JW|JW]] 01:04, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:We have plenty of pages on unreleased characters. See [[:Category:Things that don't exist]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:12, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::I assume we also do this with all the other "would've been in Season 4 but Animated got cancelled" stuff? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:14, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:::We could make a Transformers Animated Season 4 page that could include blurbs of all this information, rather than have small individual articles with little information cluttering up the Things that don't exist category. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 11:33, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I agree. As we discussed with the first AA (on things like [[M'kraan crystal (Animated)]], it is useless to create a unique page that would never contain any more content than the linking and disambiguation pages that led to it in the first place. There should be an aggregated "List of Unused Season 4 Concepts", and possibly even a "List of Minor Characters Mentioned in AA2" (those who are only name-dropped and who get less than one sentence of content). [[Overlord (Animated)]] is probably right at the threshold of who could ever deserve to have a unique page: we know his faction, have an image, and literally one sentence of story. I think peeps with less than that should all be gang-treated on one page, because they're so slight it would be hard to imagine anybody looking for them on their own. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:49, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Then throw the unused S4 stuff in Things that don't exist. It makes sense and I like the category. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:26, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::I agree with Thylacine on the creation of a [[Transformers Animated Season 4]] page, where we can throw the S4 plot synopses and assorted character concepts. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:11, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

== Gargent Cluster ==
Now that the Tonka GoBots have their own Universal Stream continuity family indicator, does that make them canon enough to include on this wiki? PLEASE? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 15:42, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:Not to mention the Xobitor stream. Robotix, man, Ro-freakin'-botix! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:16, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::Robotix is small enough to cover here in one page, alla the Tonka GoBots page. Maybe this could revive the GoBot sister wiki idea. Last I recall it was voted for and then nothing ever happened in constructing it.--[[Special:Contributions/99.111.196.209|99.111.196.209]] 16:19, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::: There's a Quadwal cluster, but that doesn't mean we cover real life. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:07, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::: To be fair, we actually DO cover beings from Quadwal cluster, such as [[Jim Sorenson (Animated)|Jim Sorenson]] and [[Bill Forster (Animated)|Bill Forster]] who are from Quadwal -3760.925 -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:17, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::We cover them if and when they feature in Transformers media!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:43, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Say, why don't we write up articles for every single Marvel Comics character ever-ever-ever too? I mean, the TFs fought Doctor Doom, and he fought or met or mentioned nearly all the rest. Right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:58, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

== Xobitor ==

Is this the first Robotix crossover, or was [[Hector Ramirez (G1)|Hector Ramirez]] in the show or something? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:12, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

== Annotations ==

[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html WHA-DOOOOSH]. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:03, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:I've only read a small fraction of this, but ''MY HEAD HAS EXPLODED'' is my initial reaction.
:Thank you for making my day and taking my mind off the stuff that took place over some edits to the TF3 page. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:15, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
::...Oh, man, this is awesome. I have to get this! -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:::They referenced the STATLER BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my god! My hed asplode! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
Nice! Two minor reference corrections, though. "Bored now" was also said by "Dark Willow" and the company from ''Alien'' is spelled Weyland-Yutani. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:33, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:And I will be sticking my fingers in my ears when it comes to the "English names" of the BWN planets. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:35, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
::I think I'll join you in the "sticking my fingers in my ears", but not because of the BWN planets. No, I'm doing it because of the Cybertronian term for a rhino, which is "Nosoron", which is the Polish name for BW Rhinox. ARGH. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:56, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:"Gizmo" is the name of the robot from Superbook. "Robik" is the "this is totally not Gizmo!" name. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:36, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nintenduu LVIX ==

Don't have the Almanac myself, so is this the correct spelling? 64 should be LXIV, not LVIX. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:25, 1 August 2010 (EDT)
:It's LXIV in the book. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:50, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

== Title ==

This may be a stupid question, but why isn't the article at "Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II" like on the cover? (And as seen [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/06/allspark-almanac-ii-signing-in-burbank.html here].) - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:10, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
:My vote is to change the page title to be consistent with the actual book title. - [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 12:48, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
::I agree. Let's be consistent. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:56, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some more planet references ==

Cpt Rufus here when I should be going to bed. So I cannot go all cited references right now.

But here are more planets I spotted. Someone feel free to cut n past and cite if you want, or prove me wrong if I am mistaken. Its why I am posting it here instead of on the wiki proper.
There are a TON of nerd references on this map. I get the feeling almost every single one is even if its an actual astronomical location.

** The 8 planets in the Tiresia union are planets from the Robotech Sentinels series that were mostly only mentioned in the novels. The classifications are correct.
** Yautja is the novel name for the Predator species of fighting Arnold fame.
** Necronom IV is the name of the HR Geiger painting that became the basis for the Alien of fighting Ellen Ripley fame.
** Eberron is the name of a Dungeons & Dragons campaign world.
** Gor is the name of the planet from the misogynistic fetish novel series of the same name.
** Arus and Doom are the main planets in Lion Team Voltron.
** Stroggos is the alien world and race from Quake 2 and 4 as well.
** New Avalon is the capital planet of House Davion in the Battletech franchise.
** SR 388 is the Metroid homeworld from the Nintendo Metroid games.
** Kobol is the apparent birthplace of humanity (kinda) in Battlestar Galactica.
** Fleed is the home planet of Duke Fleed from Go Nagai's UFO Robot Grendizer.
** Mongo may be a reference to Flash Gordon, the home planet of his nemesis Ming the Merciless.
** Ork is either Mork from Ork, the early 80s sitcom starring Robin Williams, or the Orks from Warhammer 40,000 who seem to be the only Orcs who use a K instead.
** Airlandia may be a reference to Hasbro toy property "Air Raiders".
** Crystallium might refer to Remco's "Crystar" toys.
** Melmac is the home planet of the fuzzy cat eating race "Alf" belongs to.
** Jion is another spelling for Zeon, the kind of Nazi-ish antagonists in Mobile Suit Gundam.
** Macron may refer to Macron-1 a Saban import of 2 unrelated anime series that aired in the US alongside G1 Season 3.

Im sure I am right on most of the ones above, but a few are more or less unchecked guesses based on memories and speculation.

And is it wrong I want to run an RPG campaign using the Animated verse and this galaxy map?
:[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html We know.] And nobody cares about your RPG. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:12, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I was impressed anyway! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:09, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== The Transformers References section, red links, and consistency ==

Okay, this is bothering me. In the Transformers References section, are we linking to the things from previous Transformers incarnations that all these little shout-outs actually reference, or are we creating new "Whatever (Animated)" pages for all for all of them? Currently, we have a little of both, and the lack of consistency bothers me (as do all the red links for articles that haven't been created yet). Take Sari's Master Blades, for example. The name is obviously a reference to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade from Masterforce]]; do we send the link there, or do we send it to "[[Master Blades (Animated)]]"? I personally vote for the former method; this is the Transformers ''References'' section after all, so it makes sense to point to the thing that's being referenced. If we do actually make articles for all these places and things that get mentioned, we can link to them from the appropriate character/episode/whatever main article.

Detour, I'm especially interested in hearing your opinion on this, since I suspect you probably don't agree with me on this point. - [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 02:54, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
: Third option - "Sari's [[Master Blades (Animated)|Master Blades]] are named as an homage to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade]] from the [[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce franchise]]." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:17, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
::I nominate the third. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:39, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
:::If we'll never ever be able to populate a page with more info than what is already stated on the page that linked to it, I suggest not creating it in the first place--in this case, not creating a separate page for "Master Blades (Animated)" at all. We went through this with Almanac 1, deciding not to create "M'kraan Crystal (Animated)", and recently people have suggested the same thing for the moons of [[Thulsa Doom]]. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:16, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Then it should be "Sari's Master Blades are named as an homage to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade]] from the [[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce franchise]]." That way it is clear that what is in the Almanac is an homage to the original and not the same thing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:16, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::Is that not made obvious enough by the fact that a) it's listed in the References section and b) ''Animated'' and ''Masterforce'' aren't even the same continuity ''family'', much less the same continuity? It seems that in the few cases where they ''are'' the same thing (IE the Vector Sigma bits and the various reports on things happening in different universal streams), we could draw attention to the fact, and that the default assumption would be that anything else familiar-looking is an homage. -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 12:16, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::No, I don't think you can assume that sort of thing with the Almanacs. Best to explicitly note it as a homage. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:08, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

== Bill Forster's DeviantArt ==

[http://billforster.deviantart.com/gallery/#Transformers well......] - [[User:CountFrankenBot|CFB]] 05:18, 29 August 2010

Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II

2010-08-29T09:18:57Z

CountFrankenBot: /* Bill Forster's DeviantArt */ new section

You know, I'm reallly trying to remain calm, and it's a bit expected after the first one and everything, but seriously, book in hand, and ''oh my freaking god you guys for reals.'' - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:39, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:Is it that cool? Because the first one has already taken the definition of "loaded with Easter eggs, in-jokes and other cool stuff" to previously non-existent levels. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:49, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Broke the scale, off the charts, shattered trousers past what Rocherts did with LSotW, and maybe blew our socks off if anything from his reaction. :D All I know is that I'm going to be giggling/squeeing quietly to myself, looking a loon, after I pick them up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 13:16, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Let me put it this way: On page 9, we get [[Octus (Animated)]]. And it's all uphill from there... [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Alignment is now canon ==

You magnificent bastards. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 13:29, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:Hnnh, and here we all [[Talk: Alignment|thought Jim was just joking]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:41, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::The [[Template:Apocrypha|apocrypha template]] feels unlove. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:44, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It hasn't even been finalized yet! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:08, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Alignment? Canon?
::::Good grief. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:18, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
Details, please? I don't know of any way for Alignment-as-a-whole to become canon other than to be reprinted in its entirety in an official publication. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:In the in-universe introduction, the authors note that they were going to take on Decepticon disguises from "Alignment, the true and accurate account of the future of Primax 984.0 Gamma as chronicled by Simon Furman". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:: UNRELIABLE NARRATOR --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:33, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::The fact remains that the specific story details of Alignment were never approved by Hasbro. Does Alignment become official simply because another official publication says so in such broad terms? [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 07:21, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::You know, that's a good point. I wouldn't think Alignment can become official until it's actually approved as such by Hasbro. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Yet another question for the next Hasbro Q&A. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:51, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Isn't Liege Maximo being one of the 13 from Alignment? And "Galvatron II"? Seems like at some point it is pointless to argue against it being in canon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:55, 1 July 2010 (EDT) (double checking my facts caused me to forget to sign)
:::::::Technically, Liege Maximo being one of the 13 was canonically from "Exodus" and "Galvatron II" was from a Japanese exclusive toy. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:50, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Hasbro approved publication of ''this'' book, and there's absolutely no other sane way to interpret authorial intent, here. The creators of this canonical Transformers book intended to make Alignment canonical. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, it's not like the statement was completely obscured within universal-stream language, either, meaning Hasbro could easily miss it. It's pretty straight-forward. Unfortunately. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Unfortunately? Alignment was awesome. Hell, it's part of my personal canon.
::::::I'll just shut up now before I start rambling. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:03, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I dunno, it all seems kind of silly to me. Because, hey, I have several fanfics (not by me) I wouldn't mind seeing canonized if we can suddenly make official with a single sentence (in a book in a different continuity by a different author, to boot) things that were never approved or officially published by Hasbro. (An author deciding to borrow elements from an unofficial story into his own official one is very different than trying to declare an entire as-is unofficial story as official canon.)
:::::::This seems to me like playing a bit too much more fast and loose with the canon wand than we should be. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:13, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Hasbro ''also'' officially approved and published the Ultimate Guide, in which Simon Furman himself says Alignment is unofficial fanfic. As so often is the case when we get into author-intentism, it is now a contest of which author's intent we validate. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:32, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I'm much more inclined to go with the intent of the writer of the contested piece proper. Soooooo... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:49, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Later material, by definition, supercedes earlier material, yes? Ergo, previously Hasbro didn't consider it canon (when TUG went to print), but as of 2010 they do. Same as the singularity-god-Unicron thing overriding his G1toon origin, f'rinstance. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 13:35, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Not unless it's later material in the exact same continuity a la IDW or such where the later writer actually has some "right" to change the work.
::::::::::And things like the Sentinel/Zeta mixup (and there's been implications that "Hail and Farewell" also is an example) show that Hasbro or its appointed editors sometimes approve things they didn't realize the full ramifications of and later backtrack on. Do we have evidence that the current Hasbro folks know what Alignment is, rather than just thinking it was some imaginary book/story Sorenson made up out of thin air as a cute reference?
::::::::::Unless we do, I'm with Sipher on this one. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:57, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Furman says Alignment is fanfic, but does that mean that he would be against canonizing it? Saying it is fanfic is a statement of fact, it was produced without official approval. But Furman has used concepts from Alignment elsewhere so he is apparently open to the possibility of it coming into continuity. But the final arbiter is Hasbro, and I'm pretty sure your "thinking it was some imaginary book/story Sorenson made up" theory is correct. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:16, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::We have never stopped to question whether Hasbro knows or cares about the minutiae in Transformers fiction and works. Why the hell are we starting ''now''? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Because up until now (AFAIK) we've never been faced with declaring a previously unofficial story as official and canon, have we? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:33, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::If it is in-universe, does that mean "the authors" you speak of are [[Bill Forster (Animated)]] and [[Jim Sorenson (Animated)]]? And this document they are talking about is "Alignment (Animated history book)" and this Simon Furman is "Simon Furman (Animated)"? Unless [[Alignment]] crossed dimensions from Quadwal to Malgus or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:50, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::If we're getting that down-to-details, I always had a problem declaring Beta Maxx and Caliburn to be Micromasters based on a magazine cover in an Amimated book. Doesn't that mag cover signify the creation of Beta Maxx (Animated) and Caliburn (Animated)? -- [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 17:44, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::They were Micromasters well before then, actually. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:42, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Right, they were always Micromasters. Also, that magazine spoken of is a multiversal magazine, so all of the folks mentioned on it were the originals. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:26, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::There ''are'' times I like the way you people think. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::And on the other hand, there are times when I want to punch you people really hard. In the face. Twice. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:30, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Only a punch in the face instead of murder? Either you're slipping or we are, McFeely. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:16, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Do you know how much Cybertronix I've translated tonight? I'm too tired for murder... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:18, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
(Reducing indents for readability.) I'm honestly surprised this is a matter for debate. We have here a genuine Transformers product which says, in the introduction, in nigh-on so many words, that "Alignment" by Simon Furman is now canon for the Marvel Comics universe. I mean, what do we want, a burning bush? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:52, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:Primus projecting his voice into our heads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

Actually, McFeely, I'm joining you in wanting to punch people. This tendency to accept as canon statements from people who have no connection whatsoever to what they're retconning since they're neither editors nor official writers in that continuity is getting into irritating fanwank territory. 
Especially when it comes to things like Killzone and Sentinel Major, when you have the people who ''wrote the stories in question still here and present'' and telling you basically "No, sorry, it doesn't work that way". --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:15, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Season 4: Apocryphal or . . . ? ==

So, Almanac 2 contains an episode-by-episode synopsis of what Animated season 4 would have been. Since this is material included in an official Transformers publication, it obviously has a place in this wiki. I assume, however, that we don't count these events as ''actually having happened'' in the Animated universe? (I mean, an argument can be made that the events "happened", and we're just learning about them in canonical text-blurb form instead of canonical animated episode form . . . ) [[User:JW|JW]] 23:00, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:The events did not happen. Unwritten and unpublished stories are at the same level as unreleased toys. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:13, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::...er, these ''are'' published, though. Actually, I think I have an easy solution, which will have to be backed up by someone who has the book already. Does this part of the book have the "out of universe" hazard border or not?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:38, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It does. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:15, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Then that likely settles it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== What To Do With Bludgeon (Animated)? ==

This book includes concept drawings for Bludgeon (Animated), who could have been a character in Season 4. (Here's a hint: Arrrr!) Since he never actually appeared, he presumably doesn't deserve his own page, but he's kinda cool. Where should he be mentioned? This page, nowhere at all, in our hearts? [[User:JW|JW]] 01:04, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:We have plenty of pages on unreleased characters. See [[:Category:Things that don't exist]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:12, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::I assume we also do this with all the other "would've been in Season 4 but Animated got cancelled" stuff? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:14, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:::We could make a Transformers Animated Season 4 page that could include blurbs of all this information, rather than have small individual articles with little information cluttering up the Things that don't exist category. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 11:33, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I agree. As we discussed with the first AA (on things like [[M'kraan crystal (Animated)]], it is useless to create a unique page that would never contain any more content than the linking and disambiguation pages that led to it in the first place. There should be an aggregated "List of Unused Season 4 Concepts", and possibly even a "List of Minor Characters Mentioned in AA2" (those who are only name-dropped and who get less than one sentence of content). [[Overlord (Animated)]] is probably right at the threshold of who could ever deserve to have a unique page: we know his faction, have an image, and literally one sentence of story. I think peeps with less than that should all be gang-treated on one page, because they're so slight it would be hard to imagine anybody looking for them on their own. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:49, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Then throw the unused S4 stuff in Things that don't exist. It makes sense and I like the category. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:26, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::I agree with Thylacine on the creation of a [[Transformers Animated Season 4]] page, where we can throw the S4 plot synopses and assorted character concepts. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:11, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

== Gargent Cluster ==
Now that the Tonka GoBots have their own Universal Stream continuity family indicator, does that make them canon enough to include on this wiki? PLEASE? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 15:42, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:Not to mention the Xobitor stream. Robotix, man, Ro-freakin'-botix! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:16, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::Robotix is small enough to cover here in one page, alla the Tonka GoBots page. Maybe this could revive the GoBot sister wiki idea. Last I recall it was voted for and then nothing ever happened in constructing it.--[[Special:Contributions/99.111.196.209|99.111.196.209]] 16:19, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::: There's a Quadwal cluster, but that doesn't mean we cover real life. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:07, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::: To be fair, we actually DO cover beings from Quadwal cluster, such as [[Jim Sorenson (Animated)|Jim Sorenson]] and [[Bill Forster (Animated)|Bill Forster]] who are from Quadwal -3760.925 -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:17, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::We cover them if and when they feature in Transformers media!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:43, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Say, why don't we write up articles for every single Marvel Comics character ever-ever-ever too? I mean, the TFs fought Doctor Doom, and he fought or met or mentioned nearly all the rest. Right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:58, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

== Xobitor ==

Is this the first Robotix crossover, or was [[Hector Ramirez (G1)|Hector Ramirez]] in the show or something? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:12, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

== Annotations ==

[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html WHA-DOOOOSH]. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:03, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:I've only read a small fraction of this, but ''MY HEAD HAS EXPLODED'' is my initial reaction.
:Thank you for making my day and taking my mind off the stuff that took place over some edits to the TF3 page. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:15, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
::...Oh, man, this is awesome. I have to get this! -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:::They referenced the STATLER BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my god! My hed asplode! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
Nice! Two minor reference corrections, though. "Bored now" was also said by "Dark Willow" and the company from ''Alien'' is spelled Weyland-Yutani. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:33, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:And I will be sticking my fingers in my ears when it comes to the "English names" of the BWN planets. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:35, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
::I think I'll join you in the "sticking my fingers in my ears", but not because of the BWN planets. No, I'm doing it because of the Cybertronian term for a rhino, which is "Nosoron", which is the Polish name for BW Rhinox. ARGH. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:56, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:"Gizmo" is the name of the robot from Superbook. "Robik" is the "this is totally not Gizmo!" name. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:36, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nintenduu LVIX ==

Don't have the Almanac myself, so is this the correct spelling? 64 should be LXIV, not LVIX. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:25, 1 August 2010 (EDT)
:It's LXIV in the book. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:50, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

== Title ==

This may be a stupid question, but why isn't the article at "Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II" like on the cover? (And as seen [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/06/allspark-almanac-ii-signing-in-burbank.html here].) - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:10, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
:My vote is to change the page title to be consistent with the actual book title. - [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 12:48, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
::I agree. Let's be consistent. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:56, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some more planet references ==

Cpt Rufus here when I should be going to bed. So I cannot go all cited references right now.

But here are more planets I spotted. Someone feel free to cut n past and cite if you want, or prove me wrong if I am mistaken. Its why I am posting it here instead of on the wiki proper.
There are a TON of nerd references on this map. I get the feeling almost every single one is even if its an actual astronomical location.

** The 8 planets in the Tiresia union are planets from the Robotech Sentinels series that were mostly only mentioned in the novels. The classifications are correct.
** Yautja is the novel name for the Predator species of fighting Arnold fame.
** Necronom IV is the name of the HR Geiger painting that became the basis for the Alien of fighting Ellen Ripley fame.
** Eberron is the name of a Dungeons & Dragons campaign world.
** Gor is the name of the planet from the misogynistic fetish novel series of the same name.
** Arus and Doom are the main planets in Lion Team Voltron.
** Stroggos is the alien world and race from Quake 2 and 4 as well.
** New Avalon is the capital planet of House Davion in the Battletech franchise.
** SR 388 is the Metroid homeworld from the Nintendo Metroid games.
** Kobol is the apparent birthplace of humanity (kinda) in Battlestar Galactica.
** Fleed is the home planet of Duke Fleed from Go Nagai's UFO Robot Grendizer.
** Mongo may be a reference to Flash Gordon, the home planet of his nemesis Ming the Merciless.
** Ork is either Mork from Ork, the early 80s sitcom starring Robin Williams, or the Orks from Warhammer 40,000 who seem to be the only Orcs who use a K instead.
** Airlandia may be a reference to Hasbro toy property "Air Raiders".
** Crystallium might refer to Remco's "Crystar" toys.
** Melmac is the home planet of the fuzzy cat eating race "Alf" belongs to.
** Jion is another spelling for Zeon, the kind of Nazi-ish antagonists in Mobile Suit Gundam.
** Macron may refer to Macron-1 a Saban import of 2 unrelated anime series that aired in the US alongside G1 Season 3.

Im sure I am right on most of the ones above, but a few are more or less unchecked guesses based on memories and speculation.

And is it wrong I want to run an RPG campaign using the Animated verse and this galaxy map?
:[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html We know.] And nobody cares about your RPG. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:12, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I was impressed anyway! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:09, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== The Transformers References section, red links, and consistency ==

Okay, this is bothering me. In the Transformers References section, are we linking to the things from previous Transformers incarnations that all these little shout-outs actually reference, or are we creating new "Whatever (Animated)" pages for all for all of them? Currently, we have a little of both, and the lack of consistency bothers me (as do all the red links for articles that haven't been created yet). Take Sari's Master Blades, for example. The name is obviously a reference to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade from Masterforce]]; do we send the link there, or do we send it to "[[Master Blades (Animated)]]"? I personally vote for the former method; this is the Transformers ''References'' section after all, so it makes sense to point to the thing that's being referenced. If we do actually make articles for all these places and things that get mentioned, we can link to them from the appropriate character/episode/whatever main article.

Detour, I'm especially interested in hearing your opinion on this, since I suspect you probably don't agree with me on this point. - [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 02:54, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
: Third option - "Sari's [[Master Blades (Animated)|Master Blades]] are named as an homage to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade]] from the [[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce franchise]]." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:17, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
::I nominate the third. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:39, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
:::If we'll never ever be able to populate a page with more info than what is already stated on the page that linked to it, I suggest not creating it in the first place--in this case, not creating a separate page for "Master Blades (Animated)" at all. We went through this with Almanac 1, deciding not to create "M'kraan Crystal (Animated)", and recently people have suggested the same thing for the moons of [[Thulsa Doom]]. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:16, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Then it should be "Sari's Master Blades are named as an homage to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade]] from the [[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce franchise]]." That way it is clear that what is in the Almanac is an homage to the original and not the same thing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:16, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::Is that not made obvious enough by the fact that a) it's listed in the References section and b) ''Animated'' and ''Masterforce'' aren't even the same continuity ''family'', much less the same continuity? It seems that in the few cases where they ''are'' the same thing (IE the Vector Sigma bits and the various reports on things happening in different universal streams), we could draw attention to the fact, and that the default assumption would be that anything else familiar-looking is an homage. -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 12:16, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::No, I don't think you can assume that sort of thing with the Almanacs. Best to explicitly note it as a homage. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:08, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

== Bill Forster's DeviantArt ==

[http://billforster.deviantart.com/gallery/ well......] - [[User:CountFrankenBot|CFB]] 05:18, 29 August 2010

Primal Major

2010-08-22T06:22:02Z

CountFrankenBot:

{{disambig3|Primal}}

:''Primal Major is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Primalmajor.jpg|right|thumb|125px|And ''he's'' the same guy as [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|''ROTF'' Sideswipe]]!]]

'''Primal Major''' was assigned to the [[Omega Sentinel (Animated)|Omega Sentinel]] [[Alpha Supreme]], codename designated [[Axalon (Animated)|''Axalon'']]. Unfortunately, Primal's ship was the first Omega Sentinel to be lost. Only a few dozen [[Units of time|stellar cycle]]s after Alpha Supreme's creation, Primal's crew was instrumental in the [[Silvart War|Silvart Wars]] and managed to capture the [[Decepticon]] General [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]]. En route to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] with the prisoner, Sideways managed to [[trans-phase mode|break free]] and sabotage the engines. Primal, his crew, Sideways, and the ''Axalon'' disappeared into a black hole, never to be seen again.

They may be stuck in some kind of time loop. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac Volume 2|AllSpark Almanac Volume 2}}

==Notes==
* Surprise, Primal Major is based on [[Optimus Primal]]. His ship is the [[Axalon (BW)|''Axalon'']] and the "BLKJCK" and "ODIM" shown on Alpha Supreme's [[Tech Spec]] cards reference Optimus Primal's European market and Cantonese names. And plus, y'know, he gets lost in space.
* At 2010's [[Auto Assembly]], [[Derrick J. Wyatt]] said Primal would've been in an episode of season four entitled "[[Trukk not munky|Trukk vs. Munky]]", and been a failed cloning experiment by [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]].[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/304784-mr-wyatt-has-answered-some-more-questions-about-animated-8.html#post5121157]

[[Category: Almanac-only characters]]
[[Category:Animated characters]]
[[Category: Autobots]]

User talk:IngramMKII

2010-08-10T04:38:11Z

CountFrankenBot:

==Bakugan==
Dude, what's with the Bakugan hate? Also, quit linking to an article that does not and will never exist on this wiki. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:06, 10 August 2010 (EDT)
(From Semysane's talk page)
:Dude why so serious about the bakugan thing im a fan too but lets fac it Bakugan is a rip off of every thin (everythig includes Naruto Yugioh Transformers Avatar the last Airberder Star wars star trek...heck even bayblade!) [[User:IngramMKII|IngramMKII]] 00:20, 10 August 2010 (EDT)
::First of all, keep conversations on one page. Secondly, we do not cover Bakugan here. This is a Transformers wiki, and just because you don't like Bakugan doesn't mean we will list it in the Knockoffs or Pokeformers articles. Or, any other article, really. Transformers were not the first transforming robot toys and they will not be the last ones. Not everything that transforms is a Transformer knockoff. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:23, 10 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh, and
{{correctenglish}}
-- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:26, 10 August 2010 (EDT)
We don't make articles for things that reference/rip off Transformers, because we would end up with more non-Transformers articles than Transformers articles. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:28, 10 August 2010 (EDT)

Also check on your grammar and spelling. --[[User:CountFrankenBot|CFB]] 00:37, 10 August 2010 (EDT)

Buzz Lightyear

2010-08-01T03:59:59Z

CountFrankenBot:

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:''Buzz Lightyear is a spaceman from the [[Disney Label]] continuity.''
[[Image:Buzz.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Quick! Help me prop up [[Optimash Prime|Vegetable]] [[Bumble Spud|Man]], or we're done for!]]

'''Buzz Lightyear''' is a [[toy]] that presumably ventures out into infinity... and quite possibly even ''beyond''.

==Toys==
===Disney-Pixar Label===
*'''Buzz Lightyear Spaceship''' (2010)

:Buzz Lightyear transforms from a movie-accurate Spaceman into a vehicle closely resembling his spaceship from ''Toy Story'' fiction. As the other two Disney Label transformers have their respective pilots disappear and reappear in different uniforms during transformation, Buzz Lightyear's figure features a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]-like method; the Buzz Lightyear pilot figure is removed during transformation, and then flipped over to reveal the robot mode head on the other side of him, which is then inserted into the robot body. He is the first Disney Label figure to not have a "transformerized" robot head, which is just kept as his classic styling from the movies.

*'''Buzz Lightyear Spaceship Cosmic Black''' (2010)

:Like previous Disney Label toys, Buzz Lightyear will be [[redeco]]ed in black, white and gray.

{{comingsoontoy}}
==Notes==
*Unlike previous [[Disney Label]] figures, Buzz Lightyear does not feature a distinctive faction. His box and the TakaraTomy website seem to label him as being in a "Toy Story" faction, whereas the toy itself unsurprisingly features a Star Command insignia. It is hard to definitively say with which faction Buzz Lightyear fully aligns himself.
==External links==
* [[wikipedia:Buzz Lightyear|Buzz Lightyear at Wikipedia]]

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[[Category:Disney Label]]
[[Category:Toys]]

Talk:Buzz Lightyear

2010-08-01T03:58:07Z

CountFrankenBot:

I don't know much about Buzz, but google says the Buzz of the movie was a [[:Category:Toys|toy]] and the Buzz of the TV show was a [[:Category:Humans|human]]. Was he ever an [[:Category:Aliens|alien]]? Why is he in the "aliens" category? Does this Transformers toy represent the movie Buzz (a toy) or the TV show Buzz (a human)? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:37, 18 January 2010 (EST)
:Either way, he wouldn't belong in the "Aliens" category. Yeah, I watched Buzz Lightyear of Star Command. I regret nothing. And yeah, in it he was an Earthling. Thus, if anything, he should go in the "Humans" category. '''--Spengs (at work, can't log in)'''

He is a human? I thought he was an action figure? It really depends on which continuity this toy heralds, but I am assuming it is the Toy Story continuity and not the Buzz Lightyear Of Star Command continuity.[[Special:Contributions/68.36.148.39|68.36.148.39]] 23:23, 13 February 2010 (EST)

Incidentally, years back, there was a transforming Buzz Lightyear toy. Predominantly silver colour scheme, turned into a spaceship. I don't know who made it. Does anybody here have info on the toy? It could be relevant to the article. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 00:13, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
* Here you go: http://www.buzzillions.com/reviews/mattel-toy-story-2-metal-morphers-rocket-blasting-buzz-lightyear-deluxe-reviews

:I can't believe that only few of the TFWiki users know Buzz Lightyear -- [[User:CountFrankenBot|CountFrankenBot]]

Spider-Man

2010-07-31T16:22:16Z

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:''Spider-Man is a [[human]] character from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Spider-man.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Someday we may learn more about this mysterious Spider-Man.]]

'''Peter Benjamin Parker''' is a photographer for a newspaper named ''The New York Daily Bugle'' under Editor-in-Chief [[Joe Robertson]]. Parker is ''also'' the friendly costumed hero '''Spider-Man'''. Spider-Man possesses the abilities of Earth arachnids, allowing him to fire thread-like projectiles from his wrists. These threads may be used to spin webs of near-limitless size, as well as to capture thieves and other assorted rogues in the selfsame manner as a spider entraps traditional insects. Those who wonder about his boundless strength would be advised to listen closely, as his spectacular might is the result of radioactive energy flowing through his very veins. The aforementioned web-like materials fired from his wrists can also be used as a means of swinging to and fro, meaning that those who wish to observe the Spider-Man in action can best do so by simply looking overhead. In addition, he is known to be primarily a nocturnal adventurer, appearing in the deep of night wherever evil is afoot. His alacrity is so great, his timing so amazing, he has been compared to a flash of light. Despite his best efforts and good intentions, it seems that his attempts at justice are often overlooked, and while other heroes may find celebrity and fortune, poor Parker is constantly in one hang-up or another. Regardless, the Spider-Man soldiers on; wherever there is a fight or ruckus or tussle, the Spider-Man can be found!

Sometimes he has a black costume, which he can control with his mind, and can shapeshift into normal clothes.

He's kind of a smartass.

{{bigquote|Doom's robot army. Somebody did a full drive by on em-|[[Luke Cage]]}}
{{bigquote|-in their own hood. What? I can "talk street"!|Spider-Man...making a bad crossover that little bit more bearable, [[Man and Machine, Part One]]}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}

In 1984, while covering the news of the new [[Decepticon]] fortress in [[Oregon]], Peter Parker/Spider-Man intercepted [[Gears (G1)|Gears]], who had been sent on a scouting mission, and attacked, thinking Gears was one of the invaders. When [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] threw a tank at a gaggle of unwary reporters, Gears saved them, convincing Spider-Man he was good.

Spider-Man teamed up with the [[Autobot|Autobots]] to help rescue [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] from the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]]. Spider-Man noted that he has had many adventures in his long history as a superhero. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] replied that he is sure tales of his exploits would be interesting... they could possibly even be described as ''amazing''.

Spidey managed to get the Autobots past the army with a little subterfuge, which lasted about ten seconds. While the Autobots dealt with both the human army ''and'' some invading Decepticons, he and Gears made their way into the base. After dispatching the cassettes and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], the pair found Sparkplug, and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]! He used his webbing to completely mummify Megatron, but it didn't hold for very long. Megatron blasted a hole in the floor of their base, so Gears, and Sparkplug would plummet to their deaths. Webbing saved Spider and Spark, but couldn't hold Gears' weight.

Spider-Man was aghast that the Autobots would treat their comrade's apparent death so nonchalantly. He followed the Autobots back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], and Prime failed to explain in any adequate sense how Gears was neither dead nor alive right then. But Spider-Man couldn't stick around, so he left. {{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

[[Image:M23 noahacionrecycles.jpg|right|100px|thumb|Jameson was right, he's a bad influence.]]

''Megatron referenced Spider-Man's involvement just before reprimanding Starscream for challenging his authority.'' {{storylink|The Enemy Within!}}

Later, Spider-Man had become an iconic figure wearing a different costume, featuring a red mask with a black spiderweb pattern. [[Noah Acton]] wears a t-shirt bearing his likeness, indicating either kid appeal or counterculture status. {{storylink|Decepticon Graffiti!}}
{{-}}

===Generation 1 cartoon===
[[Image:TheAutobotRun-Spideyshirt.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Kid, move your damn hand. We're more interested in Spider-Man, not you.]]
In 1985, Spider-Man had become an iconic figure wearing a different costume, featuring a red mask with a black spiderweb pattern. T-shirts were made of his likeness! ...wait, is that Noah? {{storylink|The Autobot Run}}

{{-}}
===''New Avengers/Transformers''===
As part of the [[Avengers]], Spider-Man traveled to [[Latveria]] to investigate [[Doctor Doom]]'s apparent attack on the neighboring country, [[Symkaria]]. Upon arrival, he and his fellow heroes found a dome-shaped structure emitting radiation and broke into it. Inside the building, they came under attack from automated laser turrets, and while Spider-Man was busy webbing them up and cracking jokes, he was suddenly electrocuted into submission and kidnapped by [[Runabout|a car]]. When he regained consciousness, he found himself strapped to a table by a giant robot named [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], who explained that the hero was about to help him and his [[Decepticon]]s conquer the world. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part One}} Megatron began extracting Spider-Man's radioactive blood, refining it into a powerful [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] isotope that he used to supercharge his troops. All Spidey could do was lay there and weakly taunt him. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Two}}

[[Luke Cage]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] came to his rescue, but were promptly defeated by the charged-up Megatron. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Three}} However, after Megatron left to deal with the attacking Avengers and [[Autobot]]s outside, Spider-Man proved he still had enough strength to burst out of his restraints. After meeting with Ratchet and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], he agreed to power them up using Megatron's device as well. Ultimately, he didn't have to sacrifice even more blood, though, as [[Wolverine]] offered to take his place. Spider-Man followed Ratchet and Prowl outside, where he webbed up Megatron in an attempt to stop him from escaping. It ultimately failed, but at least he made the Decepticon leader look mighty silly as he lay tied up and helpless on the ground! After everything was wrapped up, Spidey and the other Avengers returned home on the [[Quinjet]]. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Four}}

===Crossovers===
Unseen scientist [[Mister Fantastic]] constructed large, transforming [[Mech|battle armour]] for various superhumans; Spider-Man received two, one based on each of his costumes, both of which could transform into a high-speed motorcycle. It is likely Richards gained the idea from Spider-Man, as it is inconceivable the encounter with the Transformers wouldn't have a lasting impact on the vigilante.<ref>''Crossovers'' Motorcyle Spider-Man packaging bio</ref>

One sign of such an impact is that Spider-Man's activities seem to be focused solely on fighting [[Carnage|hostile]] [[Venom (Crossovers)|aliens]]. One of those aliens has somehow stolen and altered Spider-Man's loyal living costume; how he'll reclaim it is unknown. He clearly misses it, based on his second, black-painted armour!

Spider-Man later teamed up with fellow superhero [[Iron Man]], who built him a third battle suit—one that transformed into a helicopter and could combine with Iron Man's own bomber mech to form a "super jet".<ref>''Crossovers'' Spider-Man/Iron Man packaging bio</ref>

Iron Man apparently has a soft spot for the wall-crawler, as he constructed Spider-Man a ''fourth'' battle suit for when two wheels just aren't good enough. The transforming car mech can match Iron Man's suit in speed and is better armored than the original cycle suit.<ref>''Crossovers'' Race Car Spider-Man packaging bio</ref>

==Toys==
===Crossovers===
[[Image:MarvelcrossoversSpider-man.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Is it perverted to think that this is actually a good likeness?]]
*'''Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

:''[[Crossovers]]'' Spider-Man transforms into a red and blue motorcycle. He has a "webbing missile" launcher on each arm, and the missiles become twin exhaust pipes in vehicle mode. Also , much of his transformation mirrors that of the 2007 movie Arcee.

:[[Venom (Crossovers)|Venom]] is not a [[black repaint]] of him. (Yay!)

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[[Image:MarvelCrossover Spider-manblack.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Alternate scene from ''Spider-Man 3'': What would have happened if the symbiote possessed Peter's scooter, not his shoe.]]
*'''Black Costume Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

:A solid black [[redeco]] of the above toy, including the formerly transparent parts. Er, yeah.

{{-}}
[[Image:Crossovers-toy_SpiderMan09.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Raise your hand if you're sure.]]
*'''Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

:Another redeco of the original toy, the 2009 edition of Spider-Man replaces the light blue parts with dark blue, akin to his film and some of his comic appearances. This release featured new box art of Spider-Man.

{{-}}
[[Image:Crossovers-toy_SpiderManCombiner.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Great, so now he really is Iron Man's bitch.]]
*'''Spider-Man / Iron-Man''' (Marvel two-pack, 2009)
**''Accessories:''

:This Spider-Man toy transforms into a slim, high-speed helicopter with big underslung engine pods. He comes packaged with [[Iron Man]] (who transforms into a stealth bomber), and can combine with him in either mode to form a "giant super bomber" or... well, Spider-Man with a stealth bomber on his head.

{{-}}
[[Image:Crossovers-toy_SpiderManCar.JPG|right|250px|thumb|Oh god no! Does this mean he'll end up like that other [[wikipedia:Spider-Man%27s_powers_and_equipment#Spider-Mobile|Spider-Mobile?]] ]]
*'''Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2010)

:This Spider-Man toy transforms into a streamlined futuristic "Spider-Car" based loosely on a LeMans-style racer. It is fairly compact and unfolds in to a roughly 7" tall robot with much more angular features than the original motorcycle version. Unlike nearly ever other [[Crossovers]] figure, this one lacks a [[gimmick]] of any kind other than being a transforming Spider-Man.

:The toy's instructions are somewhat crazy, as they go through the entire transformation sequence, then it ends with a picture of Spider-Man transformed a totally different way from the waist down (resembling the picture on the back of the card). This was likely done because transforming him the correct way makes it impossible for him to stand without splaying his legs far out to the sides. The instructions also fail to note the step wherein his legs extends slightly to reveal double-jointed knees.

{{-}}
[[Image:Crossovers-toy_BlackSpiderManCar.jpg|thumb|right|250px| [[Redeco]] deja vu!]]
*'''Black Costume Spider-Man''' (Marvel, 2010)

:A second "black costume" redeco, now for the car version of Spider-Man.

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==Notes==
* Reprints of Spider-Man's encounter with [[Iron Man|the Iron Man of 2020]] were used as a back-up strip in [[The Transformers (Marvel Comics)|''Transformers'' UK]].
* It's occasionally claimed that a Spider-Man story published as part of the "[[wikipedia:Clone_Saga|Clone Saga]]" during the 1990s features a line where Peter claims that he had never been to Oregon, thereby "clearly" establishing Spidey's guest appearance in [[Prisoner of War!|issue 3]] of the Marvel US ''Transformers'' comic as being not part of the mainstream ("616") Marvel universe. In fact, however, Peter claims (in a monologue) having never been to '''Utah''' in ''Spider-Man'' #57 (1995), since [[wikipedia:Kaine|Kaine]]'s murder of Louise Kennedy had happened there (in ''Spider-Man: The Lost Years'' #3).
*Spider-Man and other Marvel characters who have interacted with Transformers are now considered to be from the [[Earth-120185]] universe and not the [http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Earth-616 616 universe].

==External links==
* [http://www.wikia.com/wiki/c:Marveldatabase:Peter_Parker_%28Earth-616%29 Spider-Man at Marvel Database]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man Spider-Man at Wikipedia]

==References==
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[[Category:Crossovers characters]]
[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Generation 1 characters]]
[[Category:Humans]]
[[Category:Marvel properties]]
[[Category:Superheroes]]

Great War (Animated)

2010-07-31T15:36:28Z

CountFrankenBot: /* Major events of the Great War */

[[Image:Animatedhistoryvid.gif|thumb|right|250px|You weren't there, man. You don't know.]]
{{disambig2|the war in Animated|the war taking place during Generation 1|Great War (G1)}}
:''The Great War is a historical event from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

In the distant past, [[Autobot|Autobots]] and [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] battled for supremacy of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in a conflict known as the '''Great War'''.

{{bigquote|Many millions of years ago, war raged between the forces of the heroic Autobots and the brutal Decepticons for control of the planet Cybertron. The Autobots battled valiantly in the name of honor—their courageous exploits bringing hope and glory to a beleaguered war-torn planet, and inspiring countless generations of robots yet to come on-line.|History vid|"[[Transform and Roll Out]]"}}
{{see|Transformers Animated timeline}}

==Major events of the Great War==
''Where available, dates are given in millions of [[stellar cycle]]s ago (MSCA).''

* 12 MSCA - [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]], recently appointed as Magnus, passes the [[Decepticon Registration Act]].
* 10 MSCA - Great War begins.
* [[Great Uprising]]
* [[Software Wars (Animated)|Software Wars]]
* [[Project Omega]] creates the first of the [[Omega Sentinel (Animated)|Omega Sentinel]]s.
* [[Silvart War (Animated)|Silvart War]]
* [[Ambush of Florin III]]
* [[Machine Wars (Animated)|Machine Wars]]
* [[Battle for Omnitron]]
* [[Zeta Supreme]] and the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] fight the [[Decepticon Heavy Brigade]]; [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]] is the only survivor.
* [[Asphalt Wars (Animated)|Asphalt Wars]] on [[Velocitron (Animated)|Velocitron]]
* [[Dust Wars]] begin over [[Beta IV]]
* 2 MSCA - [[Battle for Iacon]]
* 2 MSCA - [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] is lost. Decepticons accept exile in exchange for amnesty. Great War ends.

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] served in the Great War as an Autobot intelligence officer. Also present was [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]], while [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] actively avoided it. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}} {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}}

The war was won for the Autobots when they sent the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] through a [[Space bridge]] to a corner of the galaxy where it wouldn't be found. The Decepticons were defeated, but not destroyed. Millions of years later, Ratchet, then a veteran of the Great War, had a cynical attitude regarding history vids on the subject. He recounted how the war ended. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

==Trivia==
* Footage from the ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|Transformers]]'' episodes "[[War Dawn]]" and "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]" is used in the video detailing the events of the first Great War, millions of years prior. G1 character cameos include:

{{collist|3|
*[[Transport drone|Transport drones & warriors]]
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]]
*[[Guardian robot|Guardian robots]]
*[[Dion]]
}}

{{note|Since the histories of ''Animated'' and ''Generation 1'' are mutually exclusive (one created by the AllSpark, the other by [[Quintesson]]s—and that's just for starters), one should not assume that these history clips imply that Animated is somehow a sequel to G1. Rather, the Animated archival footage depicts past Animated characters and events that, by pure happenstance, visually resemble some characters and events from G1.}}

[[Category:Animated]]
[[Category:Wars]]

User:CountFrankenBot

2010-07-31T15:35:55Z

CountFrankenBot:

My name is [[Dracula|Count]][[Frankenstein's monster|Franken]][[Transformer|Bot]]

get it........

Interests:

*It's quite obvious.
*Other stuff.

Nintendo DS

2010-07-31T15:29:27Z

CountFrankenBot:

The '''Nintendo DS''' is a hand held gaming system developed by [[Famicom|Nintendo]] and the successor to the [[Game Boy|Game Boy Advance]]. Over the years several ''Transformers'' games have been released for this gaming device.

Variants include the '''Nintendo DS Lite''', the '''Nintendo DSi''', the '''Nintendo DSi XL''' and the upcoming '''Nintendo 3DS'''.

==Games==
[[Image:TransformersGame DS Autobotbox.jpg|right|154px|thumb|]]
*''[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Autobots]]''
*''[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Decepticons]]''
*''[[Transformers Animated: The Game]]''
*''[[Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen — Autobots]]''
*''[[Revenge of the Fallen: Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen — Decepticons]]''
*''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (DS)|Transformers: War for Cybertron — Autobots]]''
*''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (DS)|Transformers: War for Cybertron — Decepticons]]''

==Merchandise==
===Transformers (2007)===
*'''Transformers Movie Danglers'''
[[Image:Movie Megatron dangler.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Hint: get me and the ROTF Megatron Case!]]
:Released by [[Tomy Yujin]] in November 2007 for the [[Danglers Collection]], these were plastic [[super deformed]] versions of many of the movie characters that pop out in vehicle mode when squeezed. Although not specifically for Game Boys, one of the suggested applications with the included instruction sheet is a portable gaming devices.

:There are 6 different versions: [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Devastator]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]], [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]].
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*'''Transformers Movie Screen Cleaners'''
[[Image:Movie Megatron screencleaner.jpg|right|104px|thumb|]]
:Released by Tomy Yujin on January 2008, these danglers are faction logo-shaped screen cleaner for your cell phone or hand held gaming system. There were 9 designs available: Megatron, [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]], Jazz, Bumblebee, [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] the [[Decepticon]] [[insignia|faction symbol]] and the [[Autobot]] faction symbol.
{{-}}

===Revenge of the Fallen===
*'''Transformers DS Lite Case and Stylus'''
:Two cases designed to pimp out/protect your Nintendo DS Lite were made in conjunction with the Revenge of the Fallen movie. Representing the Autobots is a Bumblebee case that resembles' the Autobot's head crest, while the Decepticons are represented by Megatron, who's case somewhat resembles his chest armor. Both cases came with a stylized stylus (though they're both quite unwieldy and uncomfortable to use) and a storage drawer at the bottom that fits two DS games.

*'''Transformers DS Stylus'''
:The Bumblebee stylus was also available packaged on it's own. There are no notable differences between this version and the one that comes with the DS Lite Case.

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[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Prime]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]
[[Category:Video game consoles]]

User:CountFrankenBot

2010-07-31T10:52:32Z

CountFrankenBot:

My name is [[Dracula|Count]][[Frankenstein's monster|Franken]][[Transformer|Bot]]

get it........

Interests:

*It's quite obvious.

User:CountFrankenBot

2010-07-31T10:52:03Z

CountFrankenBot: New page: My name is CountFrankenBot get it........ Interests: *It's quite obvious.

My name is [[Dracula|Count]][[Frankenstein's monster|Franken]][[Transformer|Bot]]

get it........

Interests:

*It's quite obvious.

Talk:Rodimus (WFC)

2010-07-31T10:38:23Z

CountFrankenBot: /* Name? */

David Willis cry!? Protoman is crying! Why is my Rodimus given yet another NAME. Good lord, I even brought this up at the Botcon 2010 Activision Panel. [[User:Protoman|Protoman]] 00:02, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
:I imagine this occurred after some sort of metaphorical marketing car crash of not wanting to use "Rodimus" for some reason but not being able to use Hot Rod. Or some other marketing related reason they currently cannot tell us. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:16, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
::I was thinking that they were going with Hot Rod and Hot Shot being dimensional counterparts, but then I remembered [[Rodimus (Energon)|this guy]]. --[[Special:Contributions/199.90.28.195|199.90.28.195]] 07:46, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

== Name? ==

He's called Hot Shot in the game, but apparently he's Rodimus in Exodus. Since Exodus was released before WfC, should this page be moved to Rodimus (Prime)? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:36, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:They were both released on the same day. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:50, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well... then I guess it falls into a debate of what's more notable. The DS game or the Exodus novel. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:57, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I'd vote for Rodimus, personally. It was his name in Exodus, AND it was his originally intended name in War for Cybertron. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:08, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I'd go for Rodimus, with the caveat that we change back to Hot Shot if toys or significant future fiction use it. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:11, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::I'm for Rodimus too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:14, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

Rodimus (Prime) is an awesome article name. Not as awesome as [[Moon (moon)]], but... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:22, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
:'''I know'''. In fact it's half the reason I wanted a move. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:56, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

What on Cybertron? Rodimus is '''not'' mentioned in ''Exodus'', only the non-canon ''Bumblebee at Tyger Pax''. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 04:56, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
:Well someone added storylinks to Exodus (and not just an anon or something either). I haven't read it myself, nor do I plan to since I hear it's pretty bleh. I just hope Prime makes use of Rodimus in some capacity so we can move this page ASAP. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:06, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
::Oh, it was [[User:Michaelbayblows]]. Not exactly the most trustworthy in appearance. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:28, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
In the Prime universe, ItsWalky and Protoman are the same person. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:17, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
:Rodimus (Prime) that's awesome but then again the story is non-canon. -- [[User:CountFrankenBot|CountFrankenBot]] 06:38, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Rodimus (WFC)

2010-07-31T10:37:18Z

CountFrankenBot: /* Name? */

David Willis cry!? Protoman is crying! Why is my Rodimus given yet another NAME. Good lord, I even brought this up at the Botcon 2010 Activision Panel. [[User:Protoman|Protoman]] 00:02, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
:I imagine this occurred after some sort of metaphorical marketing car crash of not wanting to use "Rodimus" for some reason but not being able to use Hot Rod. Or some other marketing related reason they currently cannot tell us. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:16, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
::I was thinking that they were going with Hot Rod and Hot Shot being dimensional counterparts, but then I remembered [[Rodimus (Energon)|this guy]]. --[[Special:Contributions/199.90.28.195|199.90.28.195]] 07:46, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

== Name? ==

He's called Hot Shot in the game, but apparently he's Rodimus in Exodus. Since Exodus was released before WfC, should this page be moved to Rodimus (Prime)? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:36, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:They were both released on the same day. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:50, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well... then I guess it falls into a debate of what's more notable. The DS game or the Exodus novel. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:57, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I'd vote for Rodimus, personally. It was his name in Exodus, AND it was his originally intended name in War for Cybertron. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:08, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I'd go for Rodimus, with the caveat that we change back to Hot Shot if toys or significant future fiction use it. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:11, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::I'm for Rodimus too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:14, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

Rodimus (Prime) is an awesome article name. Not as awesome as [[Moon (moon)]], but... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:22, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
:'''I know'''. In fact it's half the reason I wanted a move. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:56, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

What on Cybertron? Rodimus is '''not'' mentioned in ''Exodus'', only the non-canon ''Bumblebee at Tyger Pax''. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 04:56, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
:Well someone added storylinks to Exodus (and not just an anon or something either). I haven't read it myself, nor do I plan to since I hear it's pretty bleh. I just hope Prime makes use of Rodimus in some capacity so we can move this page ASAP. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:06, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
::Oh, it was [[User:Michaelbayblows]]. Not exactly the most trustworthy in appearance. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:28, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
In the Prime universe, ItsWalky and Protoman are the same person. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:17, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
Rodimus (Prime) that's awesome but then again the story is non-canon [[User:CountFrankenBot|CountFrankenBot]] 06:38, 31 July 2010 (EDT)