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2020-09-18T20:25:51Z

CyclonatorZ: Recommendation to update SS Devastator description to reflect the changes made on the pages for Long Haul (ROTF) and the unknown yellow dump truck

== Seven vehicles ==
Paramount listing mention 7 constructicons vehicles, Overload is the not-mentioned-before seventh one:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/01/tranformers-2-robots-announced/ --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:33, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Can we put somewhere on this page a link to either the seven Constructicons or the group page?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:04, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

: A leaked image of legends class construction group even cofirms it...and might i add that they actualy combine into devastator?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 05:47, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::Not to us though. You just said a ''leaked'' image of the Constructicons, we only use ''confirmed'' news about this stuff (Hasbro, Wal-Mart, Target, etc.). Until then, Devastator only has six components.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I withdraw my previous statement.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:57, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Was the Paramount listing officially released? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:54, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:06, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

I gather [http://tformers.com/transformers-takara-announces-revenge-of-the-fallen-transformable-legends-devastator-combiner/11492/news.html Takara] has an upcoming toy that makes the whole thing ''much'' clearer.

Can someone who is ''not'' me use this to add altmodes to the list of names? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:56, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

* 2010 for Legends class? Say it ain't so! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:42, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

Should Devastator's various toy descriptions be revised? Majorish spoilers: In the film, there are at least two sets of constructicons, as they appear both as induviduals and as Devastator simultaniously, or else shown to be incapacitated to such a degree that the could not be a part of him. More importantly, the ones that form Devastator are not shown to have robot modes of their own.(although the supreme toy is still inacurate since Overload's vehicle is a clear part of Devastator) The acuracy of the figures should not have been brought into question before there was something to compare them to. Simple as that.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 18:38, 20 June 2009 (ED

In what stores will Legends Devastator be available in the US? [[Special:Contributions/205.188.117.8|205.188.117.8]] 17:43, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

;Another interview
Micheal Bay confirmed that Devastator is combined from seven vehicles. And, seems each individual is able to transform (Oh...) just like the Legends class. ''Argh''.
http://michaelbay.com/2009/06/30/shooting-at-the-pyramids-of-giza/
:''In the final cut, much of that scene is dominated by CG-animated alien robots, including Devastator — ''the new villain made out of seven individual robots'' who hide in the form of construction equipment. But the flesh-and-blood actors also got to romp on the pyramids.''
--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:28, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::That article was written for ''USA Today'', it is not a quote from Bay, and as the film shows, Devy is made of more than seven vehicles, his right hand is separate from his arm, plus there's a blue and yellow dump truck that shows up above the pit he combines in. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 19:04, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

==Blind packaged?==
Where has it been stated that the EZ Constructicons would be blind-packed in Japan? The other EZ guys are, but that seems to be a different assortment to the Constructicons, who were shown in US Legends-like packaging once at some show, and at least HLJ is selling them separately. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:15, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:They will be blind packed as it would be seriously stupid to sell them so you know exactly what you get when each case contains a case figure. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:28, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::In what sense is it "seriously stupid"? It's logical, and perhaps inevitable, given that the rest of the EZ Collection are blind-packed, but it's not a dumb question for Mazenoise to ask. Devastator's a combiner. Even non-collectors are going to want to catch them all in that instance. If they're blind-packed, that's going to be a nightmare. (I'm still figuring the number of packs you'd need to buy to get even a 50/50 chance of completing the set.) Of course, given the relative crappiness of some of the Legends Constructicons, if they're not blind packed then the distribution will shift in favour of pegwarmers over time, which would ''also'' be unfavourable for people trying to complete the set. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 07:11, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::I meant it would be stupid if they weren't blind packed as that way you would know what you get so you could easily pick the rare case figure. And these aren't part of the normal EZ collection but of a special Devastator set, each case contains 3.5 Devastators and a case figure.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:20, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah, got you, I misunderstood you. So we're on the same page then. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 10:35, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::So turns out their not blindpacked. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 08:06, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Everyone's a winner! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:19, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

== Voiced? ==

Unless I missed something else the second time I watched the movie, that is not Devastator speaking, it is Megatron announcing/shouting to him. So Devastator doesn't speak, just roars.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:55, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Welker often does... less verbose critters, where he just growls or makes animal sounds. There's a few he's even famous for.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:59, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think he voised him in the game and the voise-box of the toy.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 08:25, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== Film-specific transformation? ==

Okay, I know the toys can only approximate the live-action design, but Devastator's combination doesn't seem to be at all consistent. To ''start'' with, the shots of the construction vehicles arriving in the canyon are off; Scrapper and Hightower are on Mixmaster's right and Overload's on his left, with Scavenger behind the other vehicles, and Rampage and Long Haul on a higher-level cliff edge. When the combination starts, however, Scrapper's on the left of Scavenger, Mixmaster is in front of the others and Overload seems to have completely disappeared. Maybe the big D ''is'' a six-Con combiner after all?

It gets worse when, from what I can tell, Rampage (who's actually on ground level along with Long Haul) apparently gets picked up by Hightower to become D's ''left hand''. What the hell forms the left leg, then? Did Overload switch jobs and colour scheme when nobody was looking? I'd seriously appreciate some help in a consensus on what happened. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 07:51, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::It all just got swallowed into a writhing mass of metal, and reemerged where it should have been all along, apparently.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:22, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, the set-up scene with the vehicles driving up was wrong, but set that aside. Overload does not, in any way, form part of Devastator! Rampage transforms wrong, he transforms like Scavenger, with his scoop breaking into three pieces. Devastator's left arm (which already has Hightower attached) slams down on top of Rampage to form... a longer arm. You also don't see Long Haul actually attach to Devastator, but he does begin his transformation sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:58, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Hightower does not slam down on top of Rampage to complete the arm. That is a [[Unknown Constructicon shovel|completely different vehicle mode and Transformer]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:20, 21 January 2010 (EST)

== Non-individual transformation ==

I've read the Battle bio, but I haven't read the Movie Universe Ultimate Guide. I'd like to know what is written about Devastator's entry in the book because I think "In the film, none of the components of Devastator are shown as individual Transformers. This would justify why the components of the Constructicon Devastator playset to have no individual humanoid modes" is still notable. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:08, 22 July 2009 (EDT)
:"Did you know? ... The individual intellects of the six Constructicons are largely lost during the combination process." [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/07/ask-orci-final-edition.html Roberto Orci was also asked about it] and said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." So the writers didn't commit either way, which means the work of "future writers" settles the matter. So far that means the battle bio and The Movie Universe. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:22, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

::So it seems safe to add back only "In the film, none of Devastator's components are shown as individual Transformers. This would(might) justify why the components of his Supereme class toy to have no individual humanoid modes.", since the note doesn't mention any speculation whether Devastator is not a combiner or any suggestion which contradicts to the bio. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:39, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Wrecking balls? ==

Those are overhaul balls! The one had a hook on it. That's a major clue, because a hook on a wrecking ball would quickly become scrap.

They're not for demolition; they're to make sure the relatively light hook goes down smoothly when lowered.

Those where maybe hightowers and he also seems to be part dragon

== Two Rampages form Devastator? ==

That is a good catch if it is true. I didn't notice. Can it be confirmed that two Rampages formed Devastator in the film? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:59, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:And what is Overload's bullet? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:01, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Overload's bullet specifies that it's not always a part of Devastator in every medium. If the twin Rampage thing turns out to be true ''for the movie'', it needs to have the same qualification to it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:10, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:Don't know how canonical it is, but one of Devastator's promotional art pieces (http://idigitalcitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/1440x960-devastator-specs.jpg) definitely has two sets of treads in the left leg - one as the foot, one up in the knee, and comparing the size of the treads to the leg itself it'd need two Rampages to have that much mass. I haven't seen a good enough shot of his leg in any other media to confirm this. Should it be three, though? It definitely seemed like a third Rampage became the left hand. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:56, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
::That same piece of art labels the left leg as "Rampage component" (singular). I'm not sure who originally wrote that there were two Rampages or why, but I think it is because in the movie Transformation sequence Rampage forms part of the left arm along with Hightower. It is not shown where Devastator gets his left leg but presumably it is (also) Rampage. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:27, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:That bit for the knee doesn't look like the same kind of tread, though. It could be an unwrapped wheel, like with Scrapper.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:46, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
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Well, i studyed it and I found something. Lets look on it when Construcitons arrive to canyon. Lets take it from Scavengers view as the center.
- Mixmaster is in front of him. Thats right.
- Hightower in on left side, thats right too.
- Scrapper is on right side along with Overload, but farrer like Hightower. When he arrive he is behind Overload but then he is in front of overload.
- Overload is on right side behind Scrapper.
- Long Haul is there twice!!! Because he isnt only on higher ground, but ALSO near Simmons and Leo.
- Rampage is on high ground along with one Long Haul.

So now we got there 8 Constructicons in the pit!!! Now transformations:

- Scavenger becomes body.
- Mixmaster becomes head combined with Scavenger (red).
- Hightower becomes left arm, but attachs "something" as its fist.
- Scrapper becomes "probably" right arm.
- Overload dissappears.
- Long Haul becames very quickly right leg.
- Rampage becomes quickly left leg.

So now there are only 2 Constructicons!!! What happened to Overload and second Long Haul? And also when he arrives he is also behind Overload AND on left side from Mixmaster. So there are 9 Constructicons. Now i will say my theory.

- Scavenger and Mixmaster are obvious.
- Hightower attach second Scrapper as his fist.
- First Scrapper becomes a right fist when Overload attach him.
- Overload became right arm.
- One Long Haul jump from the cliff and form right leg.
- Rampage also jump from the cliff and make left leg.

This explain some things, but still I dont know what exactly happened to second Long Haul near Twins and Simmons (and Leo)... hmmm. And if you really want to know that, why you simply dont send Email to Paramount, Hasbro or that other company r directly to Michael Bay how it really is with Devastator. Like his "balls", they should be from Hightower, but how something from his arm could be in his pelvis? [[User:V.Metalic|V.Metalic]] 20:10, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

== Supreme Class Constructicon Devastator==
The second Supreme Class Devastator is impossible to find information about online. Does anyone know if this is a toy that is going to be released, or has it already been out? It looks like it is made up of the Legends Class figures, so does one have to buy all of the Legend Class vehicles to make Devastator? [[User:Fergalicious|Fergalicious]] 01:53, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:Um, what second Supreme Class Devastator?[[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:17, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::I know what Fergalicious means. It's not a Supreme Class, it's just made of the Legends Constructicons. The size is really closer a Deluxe, if I'm right. [[User:Fallen13|Fallen13]] 20:02, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::: Oh, right, the Legends ones. Yeah, it's out in Japan as a selection of EZ Collection Constructicons which you can collect and combine, but Hasbro's suggested that it'll bring them to the US (at the very least) as a store exclusive next year, containing all 7 Constructicons. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 17:49, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

==Page protection==

Is this page still meant to be protected? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 05:08, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:Surely it can be unprotected by now![[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 14:51, 22 January 2010 (EST)

==Required components==

Couldn't it be possible that some of Devastator's components aren't ''required'' for combination, they're just extra parts that augment him internally to make him extra powerful. Also, the fact that there are a bunch of duplicates of his components would make it possible that there are lots of Devastators, wouldn't it. Correct me if I'm wrong. {{unsigned|70.100.242.133|12:33, November 6, 2009 (EST)}}
:You are basically right. It is possible. See [http://unicron-events-interviews.blogspot.com/2009/10/hasbro-q-10212009.html Hasbro's answer] to the question (#2). "...there are a race of Transformers called Combiners that are not limited to one form or method of combining. Needless to say, there are a lot of things that can happen within this and other races of Transformers." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:45, 6 November 2009 (EST)

==Legends Class Poseablity==
"The only real drawback he has is that he almost has no articulation."
To be fair, he has about as much articulation as the G1 Devastator, and he holds together better. His arms swing out, he bends at the elbows. His hands open and close, his head moves and he has some wiggle in his legs.

== Talky Toy Tips ==

Didn't know about the clip-the-jaws-open trick before reading this. I'm not sure if I'll find it visually pleasing enough to utilize, but it's interesting to find out.

As for gabby Mixmaster, yeah, if you move him in any way in vehicle mode (or bump the surface on which he's sitting, or sometimes just look at him funny), his sound gimmick will go off. For some reason, however, mine seems a lot less talky in Devastator-head mode. Once you click the rear of the vehicle into place underneath it, switching the sound gimmick to robot mode, it isn't nearly as sensitive, and it's even less so once Mixmaster is plugged into place as part of Devastator.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:58, 25 December 2009 (EST)

== Argos ==

I didn't mean to imply that Argos had the UK exclusive. However it's definitely on sale, today, in Argos. Whether they have the exclusive or not is rather orthogonal. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 16:46, 24 January 2010 (EST)

== Larger Legends class ==

There is a larger Legends class Devastator toy that, apart from the size, appears to be identical to the original. It is being sold on Ebay here http://preview.tinyurl.com/y9nzhgy
Should this go in?[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 14:07, 22 February 2010 (EST)
:No. Because it's a bootleg. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:13, 22 February 2010 (EST)
::Ah, thought so.[[Special:Contributions/81.108.237.26|81.108.237.26]] 13:43, 23 February 2010 (EST)

== Another Devastator render? ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/274497-can-someone-post-some-high-res-screen-shots-119.html

Go to the post by TFW member SKowl. He claims it was from BotCon 2009. Think this could go on the page, like in the trivia section? Just something I thought I'd share. {{unsigned|70.253.134.107}}

== I AM... mute ==

Devastator doesn't speak, so why does his TOY say: "I AM... DEVASTATOR!"?--[[User:Keepcalm&rollout|Keepcalm&rollout]] ([[User talk:Keepcalm&rollout|talk]]) 13:55, 3 February 2014 (EST)

== [[:Category:Age of Extinction Decepticons]]? ==

Looking at the page, I don't see any indication of Devastator having shown up in anything ''Age of Extinction''-related. Is there a reason for this category that I'm missing? Or is it just a mistake? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 17:04, 5 July 2017 (EDT)
:''Movie Advanced Series'' toy. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:06, 5 July 2017 (EDT)
::Ah, okay. Thanks. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 10:29, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

== Studio Series Devastator description ==

Hi, so, in the Studio Series Devastator toy description, the bit about how it "omits the yellow dump truck Constructicon (though the truck mode was used for Long Haul, albeit in green)" needs to be edited to reflect the changes on the pages for [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] and the [[Unknown Constructicon dump truck|unknown yellow dump truck's]] individual pages, now that it has been confirmed that they do NOT share alt-modes. [[User:CyclonatorZ|CyclonatorZ]] 15:25, 18 September 2020 (CDT)

Talk:Long Haul (ROTF)

2020-07-18T18:45:54Z

CyclonatorZ: Providing additional stills of ROTF, that show the green dump truck that transforms behind Simmons appearing earlier in the scene. Suggestion to modify SS Long Haul's description, in addition to the page for the unnamed second dump truck.

Is the fact that Long Haul was originally fanart that became real when the artist was hired for the movie worth noting?--[[Special:Contributions/75.181.157.99|75.181.157.99]] 18:50, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
:And about that, would it be legit to post that art on that page now?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:45, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
::We should probably wait until we get more official pics of him. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:07, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Since the cat is out of the bag with the trailer and his toy, you can probably talk about Nizzi's design now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:37, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

I'm a little confused by the scene in the movie where Long Haul becomes part of Devastator - you can see him pull up on the ridge above the others alongside Rampage, but then you see the green truck next to Simmons and Leo transform and they were at ground level. Can anyone clear up what happened for me, please? It's unlikely that two of him became part of the big guy, so did the one next to the humans take on robot mode instead? [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 05:38, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Probably a continuity error, because I noticed the dump truck moving as Simmons and Leo started to back away from the construction vehicles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:43, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::The green dump truck next to Simmons and leo actually appears briefly before the sequence where all the other constructictons pull up and prepare to transform.
::https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/screenshot_20200714_221904_com-google-android-youtube-jpg.28700771/
::https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/screenshot_20200714_221851_com-google-android-youtube-jpg.28700772/
::I'm gonna assume the reason most people have forgotten about this, is because all of the youtube clips of Devastator's transformation begin shortly after these shots. Regardless, I believe the current write-up for the Studio Series Long Haul toy - as well as the page for the second, yellow dump truck - should be altered. Because SS Long Haul clearly takes its alt mode from this green dump truck, not the yellow dump truck. --[[User:CyclonatorZ|CyclonatorZ]] 13:45, 18 July 2020 (CDT)

Should it be added that Long Haul is a Caterpillar 797b Dump Truck?
[[User:JamesCGamora|JamesCGamora]] 07:10, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:If you're sure that's the right truck used in the movie (and that the toys are an approximation of it), you may want to remark upon it at the beginning of his Voyager class toy section. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:50, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
::I am about 98% sure that it is. The "concept" art made by Josh Nizzi prior to him being hiring as concept artist for RotF has a reference picture of a Caterpillar 797b Dump Truck as his alt form [[User:JamesCGamora|JamesCGamora]] 04:59, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== Two of Him ==

So, during the big fight, Long Haul is in two places at once. We can handle this in a few ways:
* Treat it as an "animation error".
* Treat them as two separate characters who happen to look the same.
* Make up some non-canon explanation involving time travel, so that Long Haul ''is'' in fact in two places at once. (No, I'm not serious about this one.)
If it's the second choice, then maybe we should split this page into [[Long Haul (ROTF)]] and "Unnamed Long Haul lookalike".
If it's the first choice we should call it an error.
(The problem being, the reality is that the filmmakers said something like, "We want to show Long Haul's robot form, and we don't care that it makes no sense." Maybe we need an article on "Continuity apathy" for all the times the creators don't care enough . . .) [[User:JW|JW]] 10:56, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:I think a "Continuity apathy" page would be much better suited to our needs. For example, both Rampages share the page [[Rampage (ROTF)]], even though the [[Constructicon (ROTF)]] page has two seperate links right next to eachother that lead to the same page for these character(s). I don't think we need another.

However, in the case of the [[Buffalo MPV Decepticon]], because the character was outright killed in the previous movie it deserves a seperate page. [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 11:03, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
::I think the [[Buffalo MPV Decepticon]] is a special case since he isn't a Constructicon. Constructicons seem to have this unexplained phenomena where there can be multiple of them. Regular Decepticons haven't really displayed this yet. Plus, an argument can be made that Bonecrusher didn't die.
::That is a good term, Continuity Apathy. I think the wiki should share the same level of Continuity Apathy as the movie in describing the Constructions, so just saying there are two of them is enough. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:12, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
::: Just stating two of them is enough? That would mean merging the pages of Blackout and Grindor and just mentioning there are 2 of them and merging Scavenger and Demolishors page and state ther are 2 of them. Interesting to note that the 2 Long Hauls have a diffirent size. The 'loose' Long Haul is a lot bigger and is a bigger type of truck (CAT 797) then the smaller combining Long Haul (CAT 773). The 773 is roughly the size of the alternate mode of Rampage. The 797 is a lot bigger and the 'loose' Long Haul is seen as a huge robot compared to other Decepticons. Definetly bigger then Rampage. It is also questionable whether the combining vehicles actually have robot modes. We never see there robot modes so it is possible that Devastator is a single robot composed of diffirent vehicles. This is suppoted by the Supreme toy which has no induvidual robot modes. Another Scrapper, Mixmaster and Rampage are also seperate. The Rampage has a diffirent color but the other Scrapper and Mixmaster look identical. I think it is not strange to have multiple robots that look alike. Grindor is pretty much a copy of Blackout, both have diffirent names so it is logical that if the combiners are seperate Transformers that they would have diffirent names. Isn't the combining Demolishor called Scavenger? Then I think the other combiners should have been given diffirent names. So far the other characters which has a look-alike (Scrapper, Mixmaster, Long Haul (diffirent size), Rampage (diffirent color) did not receive diffirent names although we know that the red bulldozer is the real Rampage because Starscream calls him by name. But I'm getting a bit off-topic. The only ones not having a look-alike are Hightower and Overload. Since the loose Rampage is called by name and the combiners might not even have robot modes I think we can asume that the loose guys are the 'real' Scrapper, Long Haul and Mixmaster. I am not sure there should be seperate pages for Devastator components because it is not sure if these actually are characters instead of just body parts for Devastator. {{unsigned|84.105.181.214}}
::No it doesn't. Frankly we just don't care to give Long Haul two articles just because a protoform lands in Egypt and assumes his body-type. And the toy bios are just as [[canon]] as the film because the nature of the [[multiverse]] means everything is. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 12:18, 18 August 2010 (EDT)
I belive that he is one robot and the Devastator leg 'bot is a non-sentinel clone that shares the same vehicle mode..and that Hasbro just used the "Long Haul transforms with the others to form Devastator" crap to make some greenbacks.-[[User:DinoDigger97]]4:29 3 April 2011

== Why is this page locked? ==

Can someone unlock this page? There are some grammar / spelling issues I'd like to fix. [[User:noviere|noviere]]
:Tis now unlocked. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:14, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

== Voyager toy ==
The description for the Voyager-class toy says the figure has clear light-piping that is rendered useless by the "overhead" stuff. I've only seen figures that have red painted over (what I assume is) clear light-piping, which would render it useless anyway. The pic attached to the description also features the red eyes. Was the clear light-pipe an early thing (like being packaged in alt mode), maybe a Takara/Hasbro difference, or is it just a simple clarity issue/mistake? I don't want to correct it without knowing and add errors where they didn't exist previously. [[User:Lukeblast|Lukeblast]] 12:28, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

==Packaging==
Is there any proof Long Hauls being packaged in vehicle mode rather than robot, or is this just something that someone said they once saw? If there's nothing behind it, we should remove it from the page—if it's true, we should add a comparison picture of the two styles. --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 21:50, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Sword Translation==
Does anyone have any really high quality pictures of the writing on the sword of the voyager toy? I'd love to try to translate it.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:56, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

== Onslaught = Brother? ==
Where does [[Onslaught (ROTF)|Onslaught]] being Long Haul's brother come from? [[User:Turborun|Turborun]] ([[User talk:Turborun|talk]]) 19:50, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

== DOTM Long Haul ==

The right leg (Where Long Haul was situated on Devastator) wasn't necessarily destroyed when Devastator was, so could the Decepticon of the same body-type Optimus Prime killed be a survivor from Operation: Firestorm? [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Overload (ROTF)

2020-02-09T21:15:48Z

CyclonatorZ: Suggestion for change to Studio Series toy description

==Main picture==

Y'know, I think the current main picture might actually be of Hightower, not Overload. I just bought Rise of the Decepticons, and it has two double-page spreads of the Constructicons, both of which show six members. It seems odd that they'd omit the 'Con that form Devastator's left arm both times, and later double-spreads of Devastator looks to have been based on the Supreme-class toy which doesn't include Overload, so I think in at least this book the purple bot is Hightower and only Scavenger forms the torso. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:02, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:Yet it resembles the Legends toy of Overload. There are also rumours Hightower's robot mode was never designed by the filmmakers, so make of that what you will. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:07, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::Right, it looks like Overload's toy. I at first thought it might be Hightower, too, when I first uploaded that picture after scanning it from that book, because of the giant crane-tail-thing, but after looking at Overload's Legends toy, it was obviously him. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:54, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Technically a leaked image, but this concept page of Devastator and his components confirms that the art on this page is indeed of Overload. And that Hightower doesn't even have a robot mode. [http://www.tfg2.com/read.php?tid-24440.html] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:15, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Seems a bit odd for them not to have designed Hightower, given we don't see Overload's robot mode except in the book that image comes from and they gave him one, but it's obvious from the picture that you're right. Thanks for the link and for clearing it up. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 05:01, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

==More/less final design art==
[[Image:rotf-overload-wip-two-legs.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Yeah you know me]]
I feel like we should have this somewhere, since it's the art on which the toy seems to have been based. Sadly, it doesn't seem to come any bigger than this unless someone has a really colossal version of the overall Devastator art saved somewhere. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:16, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
:I figured I'd rescan and upload one I made instead of stole, although they're basically indistinguishable. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:25, 3 April 2011 (EDT)

==Main Image==
Would this be a better main image? Its official as it was taken from the movie site in their "Showdown" section.
[http://www.transformersmovie.com/showdown/core/img/tf/overload.jpg]
[[User:Dannydew|Dannydew]] ([[User talk:Dannydew|talk]]) 14:11, 28 September 2014 (EDT)

==Bipedal Concept Art==
I'm not sure why the new Studio Series toy description is linking to the quadruped concept art, when we have concept art of the revised bipedal design that's far more fitting.
[https://i.imgur.com/ZeFPL8C.jpg]
[[User:CyclonatorZ|CyclonatorZ]] ([[User talk:CyclonatorZ|talk]]) 15:13, 9 February 2020 (EDT)