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Rollbar (RID)

2020-01-01T18:27:54Z

Cyclonus-guard: /* Unite Warriors */ can confirm that the one I have has the nubs and slots in the backpack

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{{disambigm|Rollbar (disambiguation)|Greejeeber}}
:''Rollbar is a [[Decepticon]] [[Commando (RID)|Commando]] originally from the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 Robots in Disguise]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:RollbarRID.jpg|right|upright=1.4|thumb|"If you look into his eyes real hard, you can see your own death!"]]
'''Rollbar''' (aka '''Jeepers''') is a member of the [[Commando (RID)|Commandos]], the team that combines into [[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]]. Though just as dedicated to fighting [[Autobot]]s as the rest of his team, he's more restrained, especially in comparison to his fellow land-based Decepticon, [[Armorhide (RID)|Armorhide]], though this is not hard. He's a practitioner of [[Crystalocution]], as well as jiu-jitsu and other forms of Earthly martial arts. Curiously, he enjoys sauna baths and rainy days.

Also, he sounds vaguely Southern.

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==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Michael Lindsay]] (English), [[Riki Kitazawa]] (Japanese)|[[Alexandr Novikov]] (Russian, till [[Ultra_Magnus:_Forced_Fusion!|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!]]), [[Vladimir Gerasimov]] (Russian, from [[Ultra_Magnus:_Forced_Fusion!|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!]]), [[Benjamín Rivera]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}

[[File:Commandos XBrawn grabs Rollbar.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Awww, someone needs a hug]]

Rollbar was originally one of a group of Autobots led by [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]], who travelled to [[Earth]] in a [[protoform]] state. Their ship crashed, and years later was dug up by a group of [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]]s under [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]]'s leadership. Taken to [[McKinley Army Base]], the Predacons scanned army vehicles as Megatron infused them with his spark energy. For Rollbar's protoform, [[Gas Skunk]] selected a jeep, on the grounds its cannon would "make scraplets out of the Autobots". Though the newly born-Decepticons were ready to fight, Megatron ordered them to retreat so they could repower. {{storylink|The Decepticons}} The new troops' first mission was to destroy a dam, during which Scourge described Rollbar as "all-terrain terror". They planted [[pulsar bomb]]s on [[Sherman Dam]], however when [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] took control of the bombs, preventing them from firing, [[Mega-Octane]], Armorhide and Rollbar blasted a hole in the dam. This released the [[Autobot Brothers]] from their watery prison, and Rollbar was grabbed by [[X-Brawn]]. The subsequent arrival of [[Team Bullet Train]] led the Commandos to undergo their first merging into Ruination, tangling with [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]]. The combined power of the Autobots was too much for them, however, and they retreated. {{storylink|Commandos}}

The Commandos unsuccessfully fought against the [[Spy Changer]]s on [[Montrose Island]] {{storylink|Volcano (episode)|Volcano}} after which they substituted [[Movor]] for a real space shuttle, shooting the Decepticon into orbit so he could try to find the Autobots' secret base. Eventually he sent the Commandos to [[Pier 7B]], where the Autobots sprung a trap. Mega-Octane ordered the Commandos to form Ruination, but Rollbar rightly pointed out that they were a man down. Things went downhill from there. {{storylink|Attack from Outer Space}}

[[File:TheTest Rollbar RoTor sweeping.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]

The next cunning plan was to try to make the Autobots think that the Decepticons were defecting. The Autobot Brothers tested them by forcing them to do various menial tasks, which they threw themselves into in an attempt to lull the Autobots into a false sense of security. Having to act positive all the time was getting on Rollbar's nerves by the time they came to cleaning up a canal, and he told his teammates to can the act, as the Autobots wouldn't be able to hear them anyway. Despite all their hard work, Scourge ended up giving the plan away at the last minute, and [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] fought them to a retreat. {{storylink|The Test (episode)|The Test}}

Scourge, Mega-Octane, Armorhide and Rollbar attacked a power plant, only for Sky-Byte and his three sidekicks to show up disguised as Autobots, followed by the actual Autobots. Attacks at several other power plants didn't go much better, despite Megatron lending a hand. {{storylink|The Fish Test}} The Decepticons later interrupted one of Sky-Byte's plans, and obtained a disk which appeared to be a map to the [[Global Space Bridge]] system. Unfortunately when they used it, it turned out to be a map of the local ''sewer'' system, and the Decepticons found themselves on the business end of Optimus's blizzard storm. {{storylink|Wedge's Short Fuse}}

[[File:Landfill Rollbar crouch.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|It's a little known fact that some episodes of ''Robots in Disguise'' were animated by [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]].]]

When once again, X-Brawn slipped through the Decepticons' fingers using the Global Space Bridge, the Decepticons tracked down the space bridge control center. Rollbar was a proponent of the idea to sabotage the Global Space Bridge computer and accused Armorhide of having a "half-track mind" when his fellow displayed enthusiasm for simply blowing it up. He admitted smashing a wall down is one way to get into a room, but "I myself woulda used the door". Once the space bridge was sabotaged, the Commandos caused havoc in [[Metro City]] to trick the Autobots into using it, but [[Build Team (RID)|Build Team]] soon realised what had happened, defeated the Commandos and repaired the space bridge. {{storylink|Landfill (episode)|Landfill}} Later the Decepticons attempted to intercept Optimus Prime, who they believed was taking the [[O-Part]]s to Sky-Byte, however even combining into Ruination didn't help them and the Autobot leader soon defeated them. {{storylink|Sky-Byte Saves the Day}}

After their raid on the [[East Power Station]] was foiled by the Build Team, the Commandos resolved to get their revenge on the Autobots. To this end, they started attacking construction sites in an attempt to goad the Build Team into fighting them. Eventually they drew the Build Team out and were able to dominate them in combat, at least until Landfill led Ruination into an oil-filled cavern and ignited it, blasting the Commandos into the ocean. {{storylink|A Test of Metal}}

A later raid on an oil refinery went better—while the Autobot Brothers did turn up, they were prevented from stopping the Decepticons by the arrival of [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]]. Still, the Decepticons only got a portion of the fuel and, at Megatron's orders, set up a trap for the Autobot Brothers. Instead they got Ultra Magnus, whose fighting skills outclassed theirs. Even forming Ruination didn't help, and the Decepticons were forced into a retreat with the arrival of Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus (episode)|Ultra Magnus}} Back in the ''[[Megastar]]'', they watched the fight between Optimus and Ultra Magnus, as Movor spied on it from orbit. Though Optimus lost, he was taken by the other Autobots to an island to recuperate, and Megatron and his troops went there to finish the job. Despite the Commandos forming Ruination, they were no match for [[Omega Prime]], the combined form of Optimus and Ultra Magnus, and retreated hastily. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus: Forced Fusion!}}

[[File:TwoFacesUltraMagnus Rollbar vehiclemode.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Are ya feeling lucky, punk?]]

After Rollbar captured the Autobot Brothers in a net, the three Autobots were held captive, allowing the Decepticons and Megatron to inflict some punishment on Optimus and Rail Racer, who were unable to fight back. Unfortunately Ultra Magnus rescued the three brothers, and Megatron's forces were soon in retreat once again. {{storylink|The Two Faces of Ultra Magnus}} Scourge attempted to get Ultra Magnus to join him in destroying Optimus, but Magnus turned him down, resulting in the Decepticons springing a trap on the Autobot. Though [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] and [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] attempted to help Magnus, the renegade Autobot promptly left them to it, and they were little match for Ruination. Of course, the arrival of Optimus and return of Magnus turned things pretty firmly back in the Autobots' favour, and the Decepticons retreated once again. {{Storylink|Power to Burn!}}

Rollbar joined Scourge, Sky-Byte, Megatron, and the rest of the Commandos in watching archival footage of Ultra Magnus in order to get a better understanding of their newly arrived enemy. {{storylink|Mystery of the Ultra Magnus}}

[[File:Fortress Maximus Rollbarskybyte.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|I didn't think it was possible, but Armorhide just got even uglier.]]

More information was gleaned from the captured Doctor Onishi's mind—there were strange ruins beneath Metro City which emanated powerful energy. The Decepticons set out to find the ruins and promptly ran into the Spy Changers. Armorhide and Rollbar were left to do battle and easily dispatched the six Autobots, before rejoining the other Decepticons in a tunnel dug by the Build Team. As they neared the source of the power, Rollbar started hallucinating Armorhide was Sky-Byte and accused him of being send by Megatron to spy on them. Scourge settled the matter by swatting Rollbar in the head, freeing him from the illusion. Finally they reached the ruins, and combined into Ruination to fight the Autobots. {{storylink|Fortress Maximus (episode)|Fortress Maximus}} Chased off by Fortress Maximus's defense systems, the Commandos formed Ruination to keep Rail Racer busy while Scourge made a second attempt to access Maximus. {{storylink|Koji Gets His Wish}}

With the hunt for the O-Parts on, the Decepticons confronted the Autobot Brothers and Build Team, who had found an O-Part, and demanded they hand it over. The Autobots promptly disappeared through the Global Space Bridge, starting a game of cat and mouse. The Decepticons eventually cornered them in [[Egypt]], however Sky-Byte's bungling made recovering the O-Parts impossible. {{storylink|A Friendly Contest}} Spying from space, Movor spotted the Autobots in the [[Sahara|Sahara Desert]], and Megatron and the Decepticons arrived in time to attack Side Burn. Venturing into the subterranean ruins, they found the Autobots had located the [[Orb of Sigma]], and the Decepticons fought them while Megatron went for the Orb. Ultimately they were unsuccessful and, with the loss of Megatron, the Decepticons retreated back to the ''Megastar''. {{Storylink|Peril from the Past}}

[[File:MaximusEmerges Rollbar Armorhide stocktransform.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Please ignore the floating tree.]]

Without Megatron's leadership, the Decepticons had a lot more freedom to do what they wanted. They tracked the Autobots to an old temple, where they were able to snatch [[Cerebros (RID)|Cerebros]], the key to controlling Fortress Maximus, away with the help of the Predacons. Rollbar and [[Ro-Tor (RID)|Ro-Tor]] were able to locate Maximus himself in Metro City and, despite the Autobots attempting to defend the giant, Scourge was able to use Cerebros to activate him. The Commandos combined into Ruination during the following battle, however Scourge's lack of ability to control Maximus and the return of Megatron as Galvatron resulted in the Decepticons retreating. {{storylink|Maximus Emerges}}

[[File:SurpriseAttack Rollbar laseroptic.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]

A second attempt in the desert to control Maximus, with Ruination providing backup, didn't go any better {{storylink|The Human Element}} and during a third attempt, Scourge's treachery was revealed to Galvatron. {{storylink|Mistaken Identity}} This resulted in Galvatron forcibly reprogramming all of the Decepticons to obey his will, and putting them under the command of Sky-Byte for an assault on Autobot headquarters. Pursuing the fleeing Optimus Prime, the Decepticons and Predacons were led into a trap, though the arrival of the ''Megastar'' and Fortress Maximus rendered them superfluous anyway. They watched as Maximus defeated the ''Megastar'', and Galvatron fell to the ground. {{storylink|Surprise Attack!}} Galvatron was not out, however, and the Decepticons defended him while he drained energy from Fortress Maximus. He sent Ruination and Scourge into the Global Space Bridge after the retreating Autobots, before himself flooding the tunnel with lava by rupturing the tunnel wall. {{storylink|Galvatron's Revenge}} They survived the lava, only to be swiftly defeated by the Autobot forces. After Galvatron's defeat, they were shipped off to the [[asteroid prison colony]] with Galvatron and the Predacons. {{Storylink|The Final Battle (RID)|The Final Battle}}

====Ultra Magnus...to the Rescue?====
Rollbar along with Armorhide was assigned to help Scourge steal an experimental nuclear generator from a facility in [[Arizona]]. As they stormed the base, he accidentally stood on [[Slapper (RID)|Slapper]]'s tongue. After Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus turned up, his warning to Armorhide came too late, as Magnus peppered his comrade with laser fire. Rollbar himself was then delivered an "ultra kick" to the head which put him out of action for the rest of the confrontation, until Scourge ordered his men to pursue the Predacons. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus...to the Rescue?}}

====''Unite Warriors''/''Legends''====
Following their capture, Rollbar and the other Commandos were brought to a future [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and sentenced to be reverted into [[protoform]]s to cleanse them of their evil programming... and identities. They were brought to safety by the [[Unicron]] of [[2021]], who transported them into the past and granted them new bodies in exchange for helping him combine with the planet. During the battle with the local [[Autobot]] forces, Rollbar's finely tuned martial artist senses allowed him to sense the invisible [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] sneaking up on him and dispatch the Autobot with a crystalocution kick. Upon connecting Unicron's head to the planet, the Commandos learned that the dark god had no intention of letting them go free, but rather planned to undo the future they hailed from! In order to avoid being erased from existence, the team combined into Ruination and turned on Unicron. {{storylink|Ruination Chapter, Part One}} After Unicron was defeated thanks to the efforts of Ruination and other combiners, the Commandos returned to the future with Scourge and Sky-Byte, seeking to free their leader as well. {{storylink|Ruination Chapter, Part Two}}

The Commandos occupied an Earth bathhouse to discuss strategy, and Rollbar took this opportunity to have a bath and a sip of oil. {{storylink|Unite Warriors Offshot#Strategy Meeting in an Earth Bath?!|Strategy Meeting in an Earth Bath?!}} After recovering the ship they once arrived on Earth with, the group attacked [[Neo Brave Maximus]] where Devil Gigatron was being held. They managed to infiltrate the ship, only to learn that their leader had abandoned his evil ways and joined the [[Dimensional Patrol]]. {{storylink|LGEX Scourge Prologue}} With Scourge forcibly reverted into a heroic [[protoform]] by Gigatron, the Commandos fled to the [[Legends Universe]] where their former commander hunted them down. Rollbar was the first to fall: converted back into a protoform and cleansed of his evil, he immediately turned on his fellow Commandos and converted everyone but Mega-Octane. Fortunately for them, [[Dark Ai]] was managed to undo the conversion using backup personality data, and the Commandos returned home with Scourge. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Scourge 2)|Scourge Chapter 2}}

Scourge and the Commandos continued traveling together with Dark Ai, seeking their own destiny. {{storylink|Transformers Legends Final Chapter "Epiloge"|Legends Final Chapter}}

===''Universe'' comic continuity===
The Rollbar of [[Viron 704.31 Epsilon]] came under the command of [[Megazarak (Universe)|Megazarak]] after the death of Megatron. However, the Commandos, [[Constructicon (RID)|Constructicon]]s, and [[Megabolt]] were abducted by [[Unicron]] for the [[Universe War]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/30}}

As part of Ruination, Rollbar and the Decepticons were sent by [[Unicron]] along with [[Reptilion]], [[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]], and [[Perceptor (Armada)|Perceptor]] to intercept some extra-dimensionals Unicron wanted for the [[Cauldron]]. Ruination's group was successfully fought off by the [[Child of Primus|Children of Primus]]. {{storylink|Voice Actor Drama}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
[[Violen Jiger|Bio Ranger Iga]] selected a Viron Ruination from [[Greengard]] to be one of his [[Thirteen Great Demon Generals]]. Presumably Rollbar was part of this Ruination. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/27}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
'''Jeepers''' was a member of the Commandos. Working with the Resistance, he volunteered to be converted into a [[K-Class]] bomb, an alternate mode which tapped into the power of his spark to create almost unfathomable explosive force. Jeepers, Movor, and their comrades were to be a weapon of last resort in the Uprising, should the threat of the [[Builder]]s prove unsurpassable.

That time came when the Builders unleashed the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] nano-vector, a virus which transformed protoformers into mindless slave drones able to assimilate others into their ranks. Three Resistance held cities were compromised, and the Commandos were called into action for [[Operation Amputation]]. Jeepers was deployed over [[Damaxus]], and his K-Bomb explosion destroyed the city-state and the Vehicon plague that had arisen within it. {{storylink|Derailment}}

==Toys==
===Robots in Disguise (2001)===
[[File:RID-toy Rollbar-Greejeeber.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|''(Takara Version Pictured)'']]
[[File:RID-toy Rollbar.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|''(Hasbro Version Pictured)'']]
*'''Greejeeber''' (2000) / '''Rollbar''' (Basic Class, 2001)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-006'''
**''Accessories'': Pistol, large cannon


: A [[redeco]] of the [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]] [[Swindle (G1)#Toys|Swindle]] toy, ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' Rollbar transforms into an FMC XR311 combat support vehicle. He has a pair of non-firing weapons that form a gun turret for his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]. As the toy uses the [[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]-style of connection, he can form any limb to any combination of similar robots, though naturally, he normally forms a limb to the combined robot [[Ruination (RID)#Toys|Ruination]]; as the right leg in the more-common "Flight Mission" mode, or the left arm for "Land Mission" mode.

: He was first released as part of the [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] ''Car Robots'' line as "Greejeeber" in 2000. This version of the mold has one minor [[retool]]ing done to it, adding a small peg to the top of the large cannon. While this has no real practical applications by itself (you could make him hold his gun upside-down, whoopeeeee), it is actually a mounting point for [[Armorhide (RID)#Toys|Dangar]]'s large double-cannon, forming the core of a super-weapon for the team's combined mode.

: In 2001, [[Hasbro]] released the toy as part of the ''Robots in Disguise'' series, with quite a list of deco changes. Greejeeber's dark metal-flake green plastic changed to a lighter forest-green (very close to [[Mega-Octane#Toys|Mega-Octane's]] green), and the dark brown chestplate plastic turned dark gray. The white star and "GV" on Greejeeber's chest was completely removed, with a greenish-tan spray replacing it. The black windshield became silver, the black seats a dark gray, and the "Anti-Cybertron" symbol on his leg was replaced with a Decepticon emblem. For reasons unknown, the large cannon also got some extra retooling, extending a meaningless detail on the left side of the barrel.

: This mold was also used to make [[Leyland#Toys|Leyland]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Decepticon/Rollbar/rollbar.htm More information on Rollbar at TFU.info]''

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[[File:RID-toy Baldigus-Boxed.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67]]
*'''Baldigus''' (Multi-pack, 2000)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-011'''
**''Accessories'': Pistol, large cannon


: In Japan, Greejeeber was also made available as part of a complete team multi-pack with his teammates [[Armorhide (RID)#Toys|Dangar]], [[Mega-Octane#Toys|Dolrailer]], [[Movor#Toys|Shuttler]], and [[Ro-Tor (RID)#Toys|Hepter]]. All toys were identical to their individual Japanese releases, but the set only came with a bio card for the combined form.

{{-}}{{anchor|Urban}}
[[File:RID-toy Rollbar-Urban.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|How can you say no to that smile?]]
*'''Ruination''' (Ultra Class multi-pack, 2003)
**''Japanese release date'': [[September 26]], 2003
**''Accessories'': Pistol, large cannon

: The entire Commando team was redecoed in various shades of gray with "urban camo" patterns, an extensive amount of [[robot mode]] paint and dirt-wash, as part of a [[Walmart]]-[[exclusive]] gift set, oddly released well after the end of the ''Robots in Disguise'' line. This version of Rollbar also has a bright white smile painted on his mug. ''Awesome''.

: This set was made available in Japan as a "[[USA Edition]]" release, available only to retailers participating in [[Toy's Dream Project]]'s "Toy Card" program.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Rollbar/rollbar.htm More information on Walmart Rollbar on TFU.info]''

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===Universe (2003)===
[[File:TFU03-toy Rollbar.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Ruination''' (Ultra Class multi-pack, 2004)
**''Accessories'': Pistol, large cannon

: The entire Ruination team was redecoed ''again'' to make ''another'' Walmart exclusive set (why?), this time with a unified "desert camo" theme under the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' banner. It came out at the same time as five ''other'' Wal-Mart ''Transformers'' exclusives, which led to a glut. Ruination seemed a particularly slow mover in this batch.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2004/Decepticon/Rollbar/rollbar.htm More information on Universe Rollbar on TFU.info]''
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===Unite Warriors===
[[File:TakaraTomy_UniteWarriors_Greejeeber.jpg|thumb|right|300px|No, it's counterfeit, not stolen. I'm a Greejeeber, not a gleeper, you sprocket-head.]]
*'''Baldigus''' (Multi-pack, [[March 31]], [[2017]])
**''ID number:'' '''UW-EX'''
**''Accessories:'' Baldigus hands/feet, individual Combatron weapons
:''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' Greejeeber is a redeco of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' [[Swindle (G1)#Combiner Wars|Swindle]]. Along with his own weapon, he comes with a redeco of ''Unite Warriors'' [[Long Haul (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Long Haul]]'s gun. As a ''Unite Warriors'' Deluxe-sized figure, he can combine with any ''Combiner Wars''-style Voyager Class figure or form one of [[Godbomber#Legends|''Legends'' Godbomber]]'s legs. Greejeeber uses the retooled gun from Hound that adds two small nubs onto the rear of his smaller weapon, which allows it to be attached to his backpack as an over-shoulder blaster.
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==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Greejeeber''' (グリジバー ''Gurijibā'')
*''Korean:'' '''Greejeeber''' (글리지버 ''Geullijibeo'')

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Talk:Transformers: Universe CD-ROM

2019-05-12T00:00:56Z

Cyclonus-guard:

I'm going to have to go digging to be sure, but I know I have this CD somewhere, and I'm fairly sure I got it with a UK-edition Armada... Rhinox? I think Rhinox. And it had "First Encounter" on it, rather than "Awakening." I wonder where that thing is...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

I have the disk and it has first encounter on it, cant recall with certainty that it came from armada rhinox too but I do remember having him [[User:Cyclonus-guard|Cyclonus-guard]] ([[User talk:Cyclonus-guard|talk]]) 20:00, 11 May 2019 (EDT)
== Same Day? ==

Not having this CD-ROM, I can't confirm for myself, but from the description in the article, nothing says the day of peak fighting occurs on the same day every year, only that it occurs once each year.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

:It seems to occur once a year at the peak of fighting. I too originally read that as the anniversary- but it needn't be that way. (Check the external links, the entire comic is there.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:The whole comic is online [http://www.emopanda.com/tfu-cdrom/ here]. And yeah, I guess it doesn't directly say it's the ''same'' day every year. Still, if the year's not over, how does the ship know there won't be a more intense day later on?
::Much better. If we're going to poke at this thing's plot holes, let's be sure we're doing it right. :-)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 01:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Also: ''never to be seen again until next year''. Hahaha. And a Primal from the "[[Hot Rod (G1)|REQUEST DENIED!]]" school of leadership! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

==Optimus Primal (Autobot)==
{{note|This discussion was originally on Talk:Optimus Primal (Autobot).}}

Right now this character is listed as just an alternate version under [[Optimus Primal]], but if we accept the [[Universe CD-ROM|CD-ROM comic]] as part of the [[Universe War]] storyline, then he deserves his own entry as much as [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] do. Before I start making additions to other characters' pages along those lines, I'd like to make sure no one objects too strongly to those ideas. It wouldn't be the first time I took a controversial stance without realizing it.

If that's all cool, then I'm also wondering if I picked the right disambig-parenthetical. A strict interpretation of the rules would dictate "(Universe)".... but BW Primal was also in ''Universe,'' playing a MUCH bigger role. If anyone's the "real" ''Universe'' Primal, it's the mainstream one. I can't think of a precedent to judge this by.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

: I've been against Universe Obsidian and Tankor being on separate pages for a year now, and this page is exactly why. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
: (Also, "normal" Optimus Primal was ALSO an Autobot during Universe. The disambig parenthetical doesn't help.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::To your first point, I think it's ''good'' to have separate pages for these guys because it reduces the confusion of who did what when in the giant load of text that is, for instance, [[Optimus Primal]]. I can see formulating this as a rule: When there are two variant-timeline versions of the same character in the same universe, the main character-page should feature only the primary version. The secondary version (if one can be dubbed that) gets his own page.
::And your second point had occurred to me, but mainstream-Primal's Autobotness was more vague. I'm not sure anyone ever actually ''called'' him an Autobot in-fiction. He got an Autobot symbol on his packaging and on at least one bio, but other than that...
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I disagree with the reasoning. The assumption that the CD story is part of the "Universe War" in the comic is that: assumption. To have it otherwise is passing off fanon as canon. You're creating connections that have no canonical basis, such as putting this Primal in the universe where Tankor and Obsidian killed Megatron. Universe Tankor and Obsidian also at least interacted with characters who interacted with other versions of them. This Optimus Primal can't say the same. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I'm not sure where you get the Obsidian/Tankor thing from, and are we going to split off, say, the Wheelie who shows up in "Escape" from the one who dies in Wreckers? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::On the Wheelie point: I think there's room for discretion. ''Universe'' Wheelie has no distinguishing characteristics, nothing that sets him apart from ''Wreckers'' Wheelie. In fact, they could even be the exact same guy, with Unicron having taken him from the past (and then him going right back there when he escapes). Whereas these two Primals really can't be the same character, since CD-ROM Primal has the post-Unicron coloration, but no clue what's going on with the abductions. And as for Obs and Tankor, they've got their own unique backstory to set them apart. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::The logic is that, because ''Universe'' sets itself up as being pan-continuity, our default assumption should be that all ''Universe'' fiction is itself immune to variant continuities, whether those variants were intended to mesh or not (with notation to indicate where that assumption is being made). As it happens, the CD-ROM sets up a fine "origin" for the Minion inner circle we see later in the comic. Obsidian, Tankor, Razorclaw, and Reptilion are banded together on the same Cybertron, where they are also abducted together. Since Obsidian and Tankor's bios describe their Cybertron as having been an alterna-BM where they took over, it follows that that's the world we're seeing in the CD-ROM.
::::For what it's worth, I wouldn't normally advocate this - the ''Beast Wars'' pack-in comic, for instance, is properly kept out of the cartooniverse. But because of the "meta" nature of ''Universe,'' I think this is a special case.
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I really think you're making stuff up, here. You're making huge assumptions that aren't supported at all, and from the way the article was worded, I thought there was something I missed when I originally read these stories years ago. It disappoints me to learn the whole thing is fanon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Why not read the story? ==

You know we link to online scans of this story over at [[Universe CD-ROM]], right?<br/>
Let's take a look and see what we can see!

* It's Autobtos vs. the Decepticons.
* Striker is an Autobot. Blackarachnia is a Decepticon. Things seem to have always been this way.
* Autobots and Decepticons had warred for centuries with a yearly harvest ship they never understood.
* The Decepticons are bodysnatched and taken to a Unicron whose appearance is absed on the unreleased Neo toy. The stolen Decepticons include: Razorclaw, Reptellion, Tankorr, Obsidian, and Blackarachnia.

'''What can we conclude from this?'''
#This is not the reality Tanorr and Obsidian are from. That's right out- they come from a divergent Beast Machines- this scenario is nothing like that.
#This is not the reality Razorclaw is from- because we've got Autobot and Decepticons, not Maximal and Predacons. His backstory in an alternate BW was crafted '''specifically''' to accommodate the maximal symbols on his toy.
#This is not the reality Reptellion came from, we were told the circumstances of his abduction in his TFU profile, and these do not match. Plus- different character model.
#This is not the reality BA came from-- since she didn't come from another reality.

In short- '''no one from this story shows up anywhere else, or matters in the least'''. (Well, I guess you could say the unnamed Blackarachnia here was Crystal Widow... but that's pure bullshit.)

This is a world that suffered the fate Unicron intended for the Cybertron of the Armada cartoon, driven made into mindless battles while he absorbs power from their conflict and culls the best warriors for his own purposes. ''That's about it''.

And frankly- I don't think this Optimus Primal deserves his own page. Make one page for the entire world with sub-sections for each character. ''Maybe'' make a small note that he exists on the Primal page. We can document 6 divergent and mutually exclusive continuity of Primal on his BW page-- but we can't stick ''this'' guy on there as just another alternate take on Primal? How divergent are the Optimus Primes at [[Optimus Prime (G1)]]? Is he really more different than Cartoon prime, marvelUK Prime, IDW Prime, Hearts of Steel Prime? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

:I don't disagree that most of the characters are different from their mainstream ''Universe'' versions. That's kind of the point of this article. I'm only suggesting that the core four Minions are the same (and Unicron himself). On the points you raised about them, I don't want to drag the argument out, so I'll just say that what you see as irreconcilable contradictions, I see as superficial elements that pose no real conflict. Also, I missed Reptilion's profile, and his article is bare - what does it say about his abduction?
:But anyway. I'm not going to belabor this, since I've gotten nothing but strong pushback. Which is why I started this Talk discussion in the first place, so thank you all for your input. I'll go back to the relevant articles I've worked on and excise the connections I've made between the CD-ROM and other fiction. Also, both Walky and Derik want these characters to appear on the mainstream character-pages... but what about Obs (Univ) and Tankor (Univ)? Does anyone actually WANT them to be separate, or are they a precedent that no one actually supports? Their Talk pages are empty.
:'''Edit:''' Okay, I just found Reptilion's bio, and you mean the "routine exploratory mission," right? I suppose it's a hell of a stretch to equate that with the most violent battle of that year, so point taken there. Also, I just found [http://www.seibertron.com/database/character.php?view=&char_id=1093 Razorclaw's bio] too, and it's hard to put him in the same universe as Tankor because they are both said to have destroyed Megatron.
:- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, plus, you know, Razorclaw is a Maximal, and there's no Maximals in this Universe, just Autobots.
::Kinda like the fact that this isn't an alternate version of the events of Beast Machines prevents it from being the home of Obsidian and Tankorr-- who came from an alternate version of Beast Machines- apparently a very close double up until they betrayed and destroyed Megatron.
::You're acting like there's wriggle room here, and there really isn't. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Graham reminds me that Reptilion's MTMTE-style bio says he was the FIRST TRANSFORMER Unicron had ever abducted, but in this minicomic the abductions had gone on for years and years before he was scooped up. So, yeah, this is all totally wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Which issue is that in? I haven't been able to find it either in my collection or online. The only thing I've found is what I assume to be his [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Reptilion/reptilion.htm Hasbro.com toy-bio], which calls him the "longest-serving general," but that's a far cry from "first abduction." '''Edit:''' Also, this point only reinforces the notion that the CD-ROM Reptilion isn't the same as the mainstream one, which I now agree with because of his altogether different abduction story. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Sigh. I really ''don't'' want to drag this out, but if you want to know why I consider those differences "superficial," then here: I don't see any statements in [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Obsidian/obsidian.htm these] [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Tankor/tankor.htm three] [http://www.seibertron.com/database/character.php?view=&char_id=1093 bios] that contradict the setting in the CD-ROM comic, outside of the two coexistent Megatron-deaths (which is itself not much of a conflict, considering how often TFs die and come back). Your preconceptions of what Obs and Tankor's alterna-BM ''should'' look like don't constitute a contradiction. Your claim that the CD-ROM universe can't contain Maxies and Preds as well as 'Bots and 'Cons is baseless. And in fact, the bios' description of Unicron being "at the farthest reaches of the universe" is more in line with the CD-ROM's "darkest corner of the cosmos" than the 3H comic's "between dimensions -- a part of none, in touch with all." Point being: Damn straight, there's wiggle room. As I said above, I'm pulling back from my assertion that we should be presenting this story and the core Minions as definitely cohesive with the rest... but your viewpoint that they CANNOT be the same seems unjustifiably extreme, especially given what ''Universe'' is. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Title ==

Didn't we decide to put all these Transformers:_____ titles at the full form? Wouldn't that make this page Transformers: Universe CD-ROM? Or even Transformers: Universe (CD-ROM)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:43, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
:Anybody wanna chime in on this?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:14, 10 May 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Universe CD-ROM

2019-05-12T00:00:34Z

Cyclonus-guard:

I'm going to have to go digging to be sure, but I know I have this CD somewhere, and I'm fairly sure I got it with a UK-edition Armada... Rhinox? I think Rhinox. And it had "First Encounter" on it, rather than "Awakening." I wonder where that thing is...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I have the disk and it has first encounter on it, cant recall with certainty that it came from armada rhinox too but I do remember having him [[User:Cyclonus-guard|Cyclonus-guard]] ([[User talk:Cyclonus-guard|talk]]) 20:00, 11 May 2019 (EDT)
== Same Day? ==

Not having this CD-ROM, I can't confirm for myself, but from the description in the article, nothing says the day of peak fighting occurs on the same day every year, only that it occurs once each year.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

:It seems to occur once a year at the peak of fighting. I too originally read that as the anniversary- but it needn't be that way. (Check the external links, the entire comic is there.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:The whole comic is online [http://www.emopanda.com/tfu-cdrom/ here]. And yeah, I guess it doesn't directly say it's the ''same'' day every year. Still, if the year's not over, how does the ship know there won't be a more intense day later on?
::Much better. If we're going to poke at this thing's plot holes, let's be sure we're doing it right. :-)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 01:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Also: ''never to be seen again until next year''. Hahaha. And a Primal from the "[[Hot Rod (G1)|REQUEST DENIED!]]" school of leadership! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

==Optimus Primal (Autobot)==
{{note|This discussion was originally on Talk:Optimus Primal (Autobot).}}

Right now this character is listed as just an alternate version under [[Optimus Primal]], but if we accept the [[Universe CD-ROM|CD-ROM comic]] as part of the [[Universe War]] storyline, then he deserves his own entry as much as [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] do. Before I start making additions to other characters' pages along those lines, I'd like to make sure no one objects too strongly to those ideas. It wouldn't be the first time I took a controversial stance without realizing it.

If that's all cool, then I'm also wondering if I picked the right disambig-parenthetical. A strict interpretation of the rules would dictate "(Universe)".... but BW Primal was also in ''Universe,'' playing a MUCH bigger role. If anyone's the "real" ''Universe'' Primal, it's the mainstream one. I can't think of a precedent to judge this by.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

: I've been against Universe Obsidian and Tankor being on separate pages for a year now, and this page is exactly why. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
: (Also, "normal" Optimus Primal was ALSO an Autobot during Universe. The disambig parenthetical doesn't help.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::To your first point, I think it's ''good'' to have separate pages for these guys because it reduces the confusion of who did what when in the giant load of text that is, for instance, [[Optimus Primal]]. I can see formulating this as a rule: When there are two variant-timeline versions of the same character in the same universe, the main character-page should feature only the primary version. The secondary version (if one can be dubbed that) gets his own page.
::And your second point had occurred to me, but mainstream-Primal's Autobotness was more vague. I'm not sure anyone ever actually ''called'' him an Autobot in-fiction. He got an Autobot symbol on his packaging and on at least one bio, but other than that...
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I disagree with the reasoning. The assumption that the CD story is part of the "Universe War" in the comic is that: assumption. To have it otherwise is passing off fanon as canon. You're creating connections that have no canonical basis, such as putting this Primal in the universe where Tankor and Obsidian killed Megatron. Universe Tankor and Obsidian also at least interacted with characters who interacted with other versions of them. This Optimus Primal can't say the same. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I'm not sure where you get the Obsidian/Tankor thing from, and are we going to split off, say, the Wheelie who shows up in "Escape" from the one who dies in Wreckers? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::On the Wheelie point: I think there's room for discretion. ''Universe'' Wheelie has no distinguishing characteristics, nothing that sets him apart from ''Wreckers'' Wheelie. In fact, they could even be the exact same guy, with Unicron having taken him from the past (and then him going right back there when he escapes). Whereas these two Primals really can't be the same character, since CD-ROM Primal has the post-Unicron coloration, but no clue what's going on with the abductions. And as for Obs and Tankor, they've got their own unique backstory to set them apart. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::The logic is that, because ''Universe'' sets itself up as being pan-continuity, our default assumption should be that all ''Universe'' fiction is itself immune to variant continuities, whether those variants were intended to mesh or not (with notation to indicate where that assumption is being made). As it happens, the CD-ROM sets up a fine "origin" for the Minion inner circle we see later in the comic. Obsidian, Tankor, Razorclaw, and Reptilion are banded together on the same Cybertron, where they are also abducted together. Since Obsidian and Tankor's bios describe their Cybertron as having been an alterna-BM where they took over, it follows that that's the world we're seeing in the CD-ROM.
::::For what it's worth, I wouldn't normally advocate this - the ''Beast Wars'' pack-in comic, for instance, is properly kept out of the cartooniverse. But because of the "meta" nature of ''Universe,'' I think this is a special case.
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I really think you're making stuff up, here. You're making huge assumptions that aren't supported at all, and from the way the article was worded, I thought there was something I missed when I originally read these stories years ago. It disappoints me to learn the whole thing is fanon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Why not read the story? ==

You know we link to online scans of this story over at [[Universe CD-ROM]], right?<br/>
Let's take a look and see what we can see!

* It's Autobtos vs. the Decepticons.
* Striker is an Autobot. Blackarachnia is a Decepticon. Things seem to have always been this way.
* Autobots and Decepticons had warred for centuries with a yearly harvest ship they never understood.
* The Decepticons are bodysnatched and taken to a Unicron whose appearance is absed on the unreleased Neo toy. The stolen Decepticons include: Razorclaw, Reptellion, Tankorr, Obsidian, and Blackarachnia.

'''What can we conclude from this?'''
#This is not the reality Tanorr and Obsidian are from. That's right out- they come from a divergent Beast Machines- this scenario is nothing like that.
#This is not the reality Razorclaw is from- because we've got Autobot and Decepticons, not Maximal and Predacons. His backstory in an alternate BW was crafted '''specifically''' to accommodate the maximal symbols on his toy.
#This is not the reality Reptellion came from, we were told the circumstances of his abduction in his TFU profile, and these do not match. Plus- different character model.
#This is not the reality BA came from-- since she didn't come from another reality.

In short- '''no one from this story shows up anywhere else, or matters in the least'''. (Well, I guess you could say the unnamed Blackarachnia here was Crystal Widow... but that's pure bullshit.)

This is a world that suffered the fate Unicron intended for the Cybertron of the Armada cartoon, driven made into mindless battles while he absorbs power from their conflict and culls the best warriors for his own purposes. ''That's about it''.

And frankly- I don't think this Optimus Primal deserves his own page. Make one page for the entire world with sub-sections for each character. ''Maybe'' make a small note that he exists on the Primal page. We can document 6 divergent and mutually exclusive continuity of Primal on his BW page-- but we can't stick ''this'' guy on there as just another alternate take on Primal? How divergent are the Optimus Primes at [[Optimus Prime (G1)]]? Is he really more different than Cartoon prime, marvelUK Prime, IDW Prime, Hearts of Steel Prime? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

:I don't disagree that most of the characters are different from their mainstream ''Universe'' versions. That's kind of the point of this article. I'm only suggesting that the core four Minions are the same (and Unicron himself). On the points you raised about them, I don't want to drag the argument out, so I'll just say that what you see as irreconcilable contradictions, I see as superficial elements that pose no real conflict. Also, I missed Reptilion's profile, and his article is bare - what does it say about his abduction?
:But anyway. I'm not going to belabor this, since I've gotten nothing but strong pushback. Which is why I started this Talk discussion in the first place, so thank you all for your input. I'll go back to the relevant articles I've worked on and excise the connections I've made between the CD-ROM and other fiction. Also, both Walky and Derik want these characters to appear on the mainstream character-pages... but what about Obs (Univ) and Tankor (Univ)? Does anyone actually WANT them to be separate, or are they a precedent that no one actually supports? Their Talk pages are empty.
:'''Edit:''' Okay, I just found Reptilion's bio, and you mean the "routine exploratory mission," right? I suppose it's a hell of a stretch to equate that with the most violent battle of that year, so point taken there. Also, I just found [http://www.seibertron.com/database/character.php?view=&char_id=1093 Razorclaw's bio] too, and it's hard to put him in the same universe as Tankor because they are both said to have destroyed Megatron.
:- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, plus, you know, Razorclaw is a Maximal, and there's no Maximals in this Universe, just Autobots.
::Kinda like the fact that this isn't an alternate version of the events of Beast Machines prevents it from being the home of Obsidian and Tankorr-- who came from an alternate version of Beast Machines- apparently a very close double up until they betrayed and destroyed Megatron.
::You're acting like there's wriggle room here, and there really isn't. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Graham reminds me that Reptilion's MTMTE-style bio says he was the FIRST TRANSFORMER Unicron had ever abducted, but in this minicomic the abductions had gone on for years and years before he was scooped up. So, yeah, this is all totally wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Which issue is that in? I haven't been able to find it either in my collection or online. The only thing I've found is what I assume to be his [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Reptilion/reptilion.htm Hasbro.com toy-bio], which calls him the "longest-serving general," but that's a far cry from "first abduction." '''Edit:''' Also, this point only reinforces the notion that the CD-ROM Reptilion isn't the same as the mainstream one, which I now agree with because of his altogether different abduction story. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Sigh. I really ''don't'' want to drag this out, but if you want to know why I consider those differences "superficial," then here: I don't see any statements in [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Obsidian/obsidian.htm these] [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Tankor/tankor.htm three] [http://www.seibertron.com/database/character.php?view=&char_id=1093 bios] that contradict the setting in the CD-ROM comic, outside of the two coexistent Megatron-deaths (which is itself not much of a conflict, considering how often TFs die and come back). Your preconceptions of what Obs and Tankor's alterna-BM ''should'' look like don't constitute a contradiction. Your claim that the CD-ROM universe can't contain Maxies and Preds as well as 'Bots and 'Cons is baseless. And in fact, the bios' description of Unicron being "at the farthest reaches of the universe" is more in line with the CD-ROM's "darkest corner of the cosmos" than the 3H comic's "between dimensions -- a part of none, in touch with all." Point being: Damn straight, there's wiggle room. As I said above, I'm pulling back from my assertion that we should be presenting this story and the core Minions as definitely cohesive with the rest... but your viewpoint that they CANNOT be the same seems unjustifiably extreme, especially given what ''Universe'' is. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Title ==

Didn't we decide to put all these Transformers:_____ titles at the full form? Wouldn't that make this page Transformers: Universe CD-ROM? Or even Transformers: Universe (CD-ROM)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:43, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
:Anybody wanna chime in on this?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:14, 10 May 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Universe CD-ROM

2019-05-11T23:57:33Z

Cyclonus-guard:

I'm going to have to go digging to be sure, but I know I have this CD somewhere, and I'm fairly sure I got it with a UK-edition Armada... Rhinox? I think Rhinox. And it had "First Encounter" on it, rather than "Awakening." I wonder where that thing is...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

== Same Day? ==

Not having this CD-ROM, I can't confirm for myself, but from the description in the article, nothing says the day of peak fighting occurs on the same day every year, only that it occurs once each year.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

:It seems to occur once a year at the peak of fighting. I too originally read that as the anniversary- but it needn't be that way. (Check the external links, the entire comic is there.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:The whole comic is online [http://www.emopanda.com/tfu-cdrom/ here]. And yeah, I guess it doesn't directly say it's the ''same'' day every year. Still, if the year's not over, how does the ship know there won't be a more intense day later on?
::Much better. If we're going to poke at this thing's plot holes, let's be sure we're doing it right. :-)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 01:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Also: ''never to be seen again until next year''. Hahaha. And a Primal from the "[[Hot Rod (G1)|REQUEST DENIED!]]" school of leadership! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

==Optimus Primal (Autobot)==
{{note|This discussion was originally on Talk:Optimus Primal (Autobot).}}

Right now this character is listed as just an alternate version under [[Optimus Primal]], but if we accept the [[Universe CD-ROM|CD-ROM comic]] as part of the [[Universe War]] storyline, then he deserves his own entry as much as [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] do. Before I start making additions to other characters' pages along those lines, I'd like to make sure no one objects too strongly to those ideas. It wouldn't be the first time I took a controversial stance without realizing it.

If that's all cool, then I'm also wondering if I picked the right disambig-parenthetical. A strict interpretation of the rules would dictate "(Universe)".... but BW Primal was also in ''Universe,'' playing a MUCH bigger role. If anyone's the "real" ''Universe'' Primal, it's the mainstream one. I can't think of a precedent to judge this by.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

: I've been against Universe Obsidian and Tankor being on separate pages for a year now, and this page is exactly why. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
: (Also, "normal" Optimus Primal was ALSO an Autobot during Universe. The disambig parenthetical doesn't help.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::To your first point, I think it's ''good'' to have separate pages for these guys because it reduces the confusion of who did what when in the giant load of text that is, for instance, [[Optimus Primal]]. I can see formulating this as a rule: When there are two variant-timeline versions of the same character in the same universe, the main character-page should feature only the primary version. The secondary version (if one can be dubbed that) gets his own page.
::And your second point had occurred to me, but mainstream-Primal's Autobotness was more vague. I'm not sure anyone ever actually ''called'' him an Autobot in-fiction. He got an Autobot symbol on his packaging and on at least one bio, but other than that...
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I disagree with the reasoning. The assumption that the CD story is part of the "Universe War" in the comic is that: assumption. To have it otherwise is passing off fanon as canon. You're creating connections that have no canonical basis, such as putting this Primal in the universe where Tankor and Obsidian killed Megatron. Universe Tankor and Obsidian also at least interacted with characters who interacted with other versions of them. This Optimus Primal can't say the same. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I'm not sure where you get the Obsidian/Tankor thing from, and are we going to split off, say, the Wheelie who shows up in "Escape" from the one who dies in Wreckers? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::On the Wheelie point: I think there's room for discretion. ''Universe'' Wheelie has no distinguishing characteristics, nothing that sets him apart from ''Wreckers'' Wheelie. In fact, they could even be the exact same guy, with Unicron having taken him from the past (and then him going right back there when he escapes). Whereas these two Primals really can't be the same character, since CD-ROM Primal has the post-Unicron coloration, but no clue what's going on with the abductions. And as for Obs and Tankor, they've got their own unique backstory to set them apart. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::The logic is that, because ''Universe'' sets itself up as being pan-continuity, our default assumption should be that all ''Universe'' fiction is itself immune to variant continuities, whether those variants were intended to mesh or not (with notation to indicate where that assumption is being made). As it happens, the CD-ROM sets up a fine "origin" for the Minion inner circle we see later in the comic. Obsidian, Tankor, Razorclaw, and Reptilion are banded together on the same Cybertron, where they are also abducted together. Since Obsidian and Tankor's bios describe their Cybertron as having been an alterna-BM where they took over, it follows that that's the world we're seeing in the CD-ROM.
::::For what it's worth, I wouldn't normally advocate this - the ''Beast Wars'' pack-in comic, for instance, is properly kept out of the cartooniverse. But because of the "meta" nature of ''Universe,'' I think this is a special case.
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I really think you're making stuff up, here. You're making huge assumptions that aren't supported at all, and from the way the article was worded, I thought there was something I missed when I originally read these stories years ago. It disappoints me to learn the whole thing is fanon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Why not read the story? ==

You know we link to online scans of this story over at [[Universe CD-ROM]], right?<br/>
Let's take a look and see what we can see!

* It's Autobtos vs. the Decepticons.
* Striker is an Autobot. Blackarachnia is a Decepticon. Things seem to have always been this way.
* Autobots and Decepticons had warred for centuries with a yearly harvest ship they never understood.
* The Decepticons are bodysnatched and taken to a Unicron whose appearance is absed on the unreleased Neo toy. The stolen Decepticons include: Razorclaw, Reptellion, Tankorr, Obsidian, and Blackarachnia.

'''What can we conclude from this?'''
#This is not the reality Tanorr and Obsidian are from. That's right out- they come from a divergent Beast Machines- this scenario is nothing like that.
#This is not the reality Razorclaw is from- because we've got Autobot and Decepticons, not Maximal and Predacons. His backstory in an alternate BW was crafted '''specifically''' to accommodate the maximal symbols on his toy.
#This is not the reality Reptellion came from, we were told the circumstances of his abduction in his TFU profile, and these do not match. Plus- different character model.
#This is not the reality BA came from-- since she didn't come from another reality.

In short- '''no one from this story shows up anywhere else, or matters in the least'''. (Well, I guess you could say the unnamed Blackarachnia here was Crystal Widow... but that's pure bullshit.)

This is a world that suffered the fate Unicron intended for the Cybertron of the Armada cartoon, driven made into mindless battles while he absorbs power from their conflict and culls the best warriors for his own purposes. ''That's about it''.

And frankly- I don't think this Optimus Primal deserves his own page. Make one page for the entire world with sub-sections for each character. ''Maybe'' make a small note that he exists on the Primal page. We can document 6 divergent and mutually exclusive continuity of Primal on his BW page-- but we can't stick ''this'' guy on there as just another alternate take on Primal? How divergent are the Optimus Primes at [[Optimus Prime (G1)]]? Is he really more different than Cartoon prime, marvelUK Prime, IDW Prime, Hearts of Steel Prime? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

:I don't disagree that most of the characters are different from their mainstream ''Universe'' versions. That's kind of the point of this article. I'm only suggesting that the core four Minions are the same (and Unicron himself). On the points you raised about them, I don't want to drag the argument out, so I'll just say that what you see as irreconcilable contradictions, I see as superficial elements that pose no real conflict. Also, I missed Reptilion's profile, and his article is bare - what does it say about his abduction?
:But anyway. I'm not going to belabor this, since I've gotten nothing but strong pushback. Which is why I started this Talk discussion in the first place, so thank you all for your input. I'll go back to the relevant articles I've worked on and excise the connections I've made between the CD-ROM and other fiction. Also, both Walky and Derik want these characters to appear on the mainstream character-pages... but what about Obs (Univ) and Tankor (Univ)? Does anyone actually WANT them to be separate, or are they a precedent that no one actually supports? Their Talk pages are empty.
:'''Edit:''' Okay, I just found Reptilion's bio, and you mean the "routine exploratory mission," right? I suppose it's a hell of a stretch to equate that with the most violent battle of that year, so point taken there. Also, I just found [http://www.seibertron.com/database/character.php?view=&char_id=1093 Razorclaw's bio] too, and it's hard to put him in the same universe as Tankor because they are both said to have destroyed Megatron.
:- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, plus, you know, Razorclaw is a Maximal, and there's no Maximals in this Universe, just Autobots.
::Kinda like the fact that this isn't an alternate version of the events of Beast Machines prevents it from being the home of Obsidian and Tankorr-- who came from an alternate version of Beast Machines- apparently a very close double up until they betrayed and destroyed Megatron.
::You're acting like there's wriggle room here, and there really isn't. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Graham reminds me that Reptilion's MTMTE-style bio says he was the FIRST TRANSFORMER Unicron had ever abducted, but in this minicomic the abductions had gone on for years and years before he was scooped up. So, yeah, this is all totally wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Which issue is that in? I haven't been able to find it either in my collection or online. The only thing I've found is what I assume to be his [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Reptilion/reptilion.htm Hasbro.com toy-bio], which calls him the "longest-serving general," but that's a far cry from "first abduction." '''Edit:''' Also, this point only reinforces the notion that the CD-ROM Reptilion isn't the same as the mainstream one, which I now agree with because of his altogether different abduction story. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Sigh. I really ''don't'' want to drag this out, but if you want to know why I consider those differences "superficial," then here: I don't see any statements in [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Obsidian/obsidian.htm these] [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Tankor/tankor.htm three] [http://www.seibertron.com/database/character.php?view=&char_id=1093 bios] that contradict the setting in the CD-ROM comic, outside of the two coexistent Megatron-deaths (which is itself not much of a conflict, considering how often TFs die and come back). Your preconceptions of what Obs and Tankor's alterna-BM ''should'' look like don't constitute a contradiction. Your claim that the CD-ROM universe can't contain Maxies and Preds as well as 'Bots and 'Cons is baseless. And in fact, the bios' description of Unicron being "at the farthest reaches of the universe" is more in line with the CD-ROM's "darkest corner of the cosmos" than the 3H comic's "between dimensions -- a part of none, in touch with all." Point being: Damn straight, there's wiggle room. As I said above, I'm pulling back from my assertion that we should be presenting this story and the core Minions as definitely cohesive with the rest... but your viewpoint that they CANNOT be the same seems unjustifiably extreme, especially given what ''Universe'' is. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Title ==

Didn't we decide to put all these Transformers:_____ titles at the full form? Wouldn't that make this page Transformers: Universe CD-ROM? Or even Transformers: Universe (CD-ROM)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:43, 4 September 2014 (EDT)
:Anybody wanna chime in on this?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:14, 10 May 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Universe CD-ROM

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Cyclonus-guard: /* Armada Episode */ new section

I'm going to have to go digging to be sure, but I know I have this CD somewhere, and I'm fairly sure I got it with a UK-edition Armada... Rhinox? I think Rhinox. And it had "First Encounter" on it, rather than "Awakening." I wonder where that thing is...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:43, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

== Same Day? ==

Not having this CD-ROM, I can't confirm for myself, but from the description in the article, nothing says the day of peak fighting occurs on the same day every year, only that it occurs once each year.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

:It seems to occur once a year at the peak of fighting. I too originally read that as the anniversary- but it needn't be that way. (Check the external links, the entire comic is there.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:The whole comic is online [http://www.emopanda.com/tfu-cdrom/ here]. And yeah, I guess it doesn't directly say it's the ''same'' day every year. Still, if the year's not over, how does the ship know there won't be a more intense day later on?
::Much better. If we're going to poke at this thing's plot holes, let's be sure we're doing it right. :-)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 01:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Also: ''never to be seen again until next year''. Hahaha. And a Primal from the "[[Hot Rod (G1)|REQUEST DENIED!]]" school of leadership! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

==Optimus Primal (Autobot)==
{{note|This discussion was originally on Talk:Optimus Primal (Autobot).}}

Right now this character is listed as just an alternate version under [[Optimus Primal]], but if we accept the [[Universe CD-ROM|CD-ROM comic]] as part of the [[Universe War]] storyline, then he deserves his own entry as much as [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] do. Before I start making additions to other characters' pages along those lines, I'd like to make sure no one objects too strongly to those ideas. It wouldn't be the first time I took a controversial stance without realizing it.

If that's all cool, then I'm also wondering if I picked the right disambig-parenthetical. A strict interpretation of the rules would dictate "(Universe)".... but BW Primal was also in ''Universe,'' playing a MUCH bigger role. If anyone's the "real" ''Universe'' Primal, it's the mainstream one. I can't think of a precedent to judge this by.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

: I've been against Universe Obsidian and Tankor being on separate pages for a year now, and this page is exactly why. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
: (Also, "normal" Optimus Primal was ALSO an Autobot during Universe. The disambig parenthetical doesn't help.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::To your first point, I think it's ''good'' to have separate pages for these guys because it reduces the confusion of who did what when in the giant load of text that is, for instance, [[Optimus Primal]]. I can see formulating this as a rule: When there are two variant-timeline versions of the same character in the same universe, the main character-page should feature only the primary version. The secondary version (if one can be dubbed that) gets his own page.
::And your second point had occurred to me, but mainstream-Primal's Autobotness was more vague. I'm not sure anyone ever actually ''called'' him an Autobot in-fiction. He got an Autobot symbol on his packaging and on at least one bio, but other than that...
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I disagree with the reasoning. The assumption that the CD story is part of the "Universe War" in the comic is that: assumption. To have it otherwise is passing off fanon as canon. You're creating connections that have no canonical basis, such as putting this Primal in the universe where Tankor and Obsidian killed Megatron. Universe Tankor and Obsidian also at least interacted with characters who interacted with other versions of them. This Optimus Primal can't say the same. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I'm not sure where you get the Obsidian/Tankor thing from, and are we going to split off, say, the Wheelie who shows up in "Escape" from the one who dies in Wreckers? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::On the Wheelie point: I think there's room for discretion. ''Universe'' Wheelie has no distinguishing characteristics, nothing that sets him apart from ''Wreckers'' Wheelie. In fact, they could even be the exact same guy, with Unicron having taken him from the past (and then him going right back there when he escapes). Whereas these two Primals really can't be the same character, since CD-ROM Primal has the post-Unicron coloration, but no clue what's going on with the abductions. And as for Obs and Tankor, they've got their own unique backstory to set them apart. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::The logic is that, because ''Universe'' sets itself up as being pan-continuity, our default assumption should be that all ''Universe'' fiction is itself immune to variant continuities, whether those variants were intended to mesh or not (with notation to indicate where that assumption is being made). As it happens, the CD-ROM sets up a fine "origin" for the Minion inner circle we see later in the comic. Obsidian, Tankor, Razorclaw, and Reptilion are banded together on the same Cybertron, where they are also abducted together. Since Obsidian and Tankor's bios describe their Cybertron as having been an alterna-BM where they took over, it follows that that's the world we're seeing in the CD-ROM.
::::For what it's worth, I wouldn't normally advocate this - the ''Beast Wars'' pack-in comic, for instance, is properly kept out of the cartooniverse. But because of the "meta" nature of ''Universe,'' I think this is a special case.
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I really think you're making stuff up, here. You're making huge assumptions that aren't supported at all, and from the way the article was worded, I thought there was something I missed when I originally read these stories years ago. It disappoints me to learn the whole thing is fanon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Why not read the story? ==

You know we link to online scans of this story over at [[Universe CD-ROM]], right?<br/>
Let's take a look and see what we can see!

* It's Autobtos vs. the Decepticons.
* Striker is an Autobot. Blackarachnia is a Decepticon. Things seem to have always been this way.
* Autobots and Decepticons had warred for centuries with a yearly harvest ship they never understood.
* The Decepticons are bodysnatched and taken to a Unicron whose appearance is absed on the unreleased Neo toy. The stolen Decepticons include: Razorclaw, Reptellion, Tankorr, Obsidian, and Blackarachnia.

'''What can we conclude from this?'''
#This is not the reality Tanorr and Obsidian are from. That's right out- they come from a divergent Beast Machines- this scenario is nothing like that.
#This is not the reality Razorclaw is from- because we've got Autobot and Decepticons, not Maximal and Predacons. His backstory in an alternate BW was crafted '''specifically''' to accommodate the maximal symbols on his toy.
#This is not the reality Reptellion came from, we were told the circumstances of his abduction in his TFU profile, and these do not match. Plus- different character model.
#This is not the reality BA came from-- since she didn't come from another reality.

In short- '''no one from this story shows up anywhere else, or matters in the least'''. (Well, I guess you could say the unnamed Blackarachnia here was Crystal Widow... but that's pure bullshit.)

This is a world that suffered the fate Unicron intended for the Cybertron of the Armada cartoon, driven made into mindless battles while he absorbs power from their conflict and culls the best warriors for his own purposes. ''That's about it''.

And frankly- I don't think this Optimus Primal deserves his own page. Make one page for the entire world with sub-sections for each character. ''Maybe'' make a small note that he exists on the Primal page. We can document 6 divergent and mutually exclusive continuity of Primal on his BW page-- but we can't stick ''this'' guy on there as just another alternate take on Primal? How divergent are the Optimus Primes at [[Optimus Prime (G1)]]? Is he really more different than Cartoon prime, marvelUK Prime, IDW Prime, Hearts of Steel Prime? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

:I don't disagree that most of the characters are different from their mainstream ''Universe'' versions. That's kind of the point of this article. I'm only suggesting that the core four Minions are the same (and Unicron himself). On the points you raised about them, I don't want to drag the argument out, so I'll just say that what you see as irreconcilable contradictions, I see as superficial elements that pose no real conflict. Also, I missed Reptilion's profile, and his article is bare - what does it say about his abduction?
:But anyway. I'm not going to belabor this, since I've gotten nothing but strong pushback. Which is why I started this Talk discussion in the first place, so thank you all for your input. I'll go back to the relevant articles I've worked on and excise the connections I've made between the CD-ROM and other fiction. Also, both Walky and Derik want these characters to appear on the mainstream character-pages... but what about Obs (Univ) and Tankor (Univ)? Does anyone actually WANT them to be separate, or are they a precedent that no one actually supports? Their Talk pages are empty.
:'''Edit:''' Okay, I just found Reptilion's bio, and you mean the "routine exploratory mission," right? I suppose it's a hell of a stretch to equate that with the most violent battle of that year, so point taken there. Also, I just found [http://www.seibertron.com/database/character.php?view=&char_id=1093 Razorclaw's bio] too, and it's hard to put him in the same universe as Tankor because they are both said to have destroyed Megatron.
:- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, plus, you know, Razorclaw is a Maximal, and there's no Maximals in this Universe, just Autobots.
::Kinda like the fact that this isn't an alternate version of the events of Beast Machines prevents it from being the home of Obsidian and Tankorr-- who came from an alternate version of Beast Machines- apparently a very close double up until they betrayed and destroyed Megatron.
::You're acting like there's wriggle room here, and there really isn't. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Graham reminds me that Reptilion's MTMTE-style bio says he was the FIRST TRANSFORMER Unicron had ever abducted, but in this minicomic the abductions had gone on for years and years before he was scooped up. So, yeah, this is all totally wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Which issue is that in? I haven't been able to find it either in my collection or online. The only thing I've found is what I assume to be his [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Reptilion/reptilion.htm Hasbro.com toy-bio], which calls him the "longest-serving general," but that's a far cry from "first abduction." '''Edit:''' Also, this point only reinforces the notion that the CD-ROM Reptilion isn't the same as the mainstream one, which I now agree with because of his altogether different abduction story. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Sigh. I really ''don't'' want to drag this out, but if you want to know why I consider those differences "superficial," then here: I don't see any statements in [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Obsidian/obsidian.htm these] [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Tankor/tankor.htm three] [http://www.seibertron.com/database/character.php?view=&char_id=1093 bios] that contradict the setting in the CD-ROM comic, outside of the two coexistent Megatron-deaths (which is itself not much of a conflict, considering how often TFs die and come back). Your preconceptions of what Obs and Tankor's alterna-BM ''should'' look like don't constitute a contradiction. Your claim that the CD-ROM universe can't contain Maxies and Preds as well as 'Bots and 'Cons is baseless. And in fact, the bios' description of Unicron being "at the farthest reaches of the universe" is more in line with the CD-ROM's "darkest corner of the cosmos" than the 3H comic's "between dimensions -- a part of none, in touch with all." Point being: Damn straight, there's wiggle room. As I said above, I'm pulling back from my assertion that we should be presenting this story and the core Minions as definitely cohesive with the rest... but your viewpoint that they CANNOT be the same seems unjustifiably extreme, especially given what ''Universe'' is. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Title ==

Didn't we decide to put all these Transformers:_____ titles at the full form? Wouldn't that make this page Transformers: Universe CD-ROM? Or even Transformers: Universe (CD-ROM)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:43, 4 September 2014 (EDT)

== Armada Episode ==

I'm not sure if this is important but I just was looking at my copy of the universe cd and it had the first episode of armada on it as opposed to the one listed on the page.[[User:Cyclonus-guard|Cyclonus-guard]] ([[User talk:Cyclonus-guard|talk]]) 10:04, 10 May 2019 (EDT)

Team Rodimus (G1)

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Cyclonus-guard: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */

{{factions|autobot|decepticon}}
:''Team Rodimus is a group from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:MTMTE30 Team Rodimus.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|These are their stories.]]
'''Team Rodimus''' is the inner circle of friends of, you guessed it, [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] that he'll summon when he's in major jam aboard the ''[[Lost Light]]''. Perhaps the most emblematic of the crew's diverse collection of lonely misfits and weirdos, this small band of heroes started off as a one-time investigation crew, but ultimately, the members would come to see just how strong their bonds of family had become.

{{quote|Thanks for traveling with me.|Rodimus thanks his crew|"[[The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day]]"}}

==Fiction==
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
Team Rodimus was first convened when an armless corpse of Rodimus was discovered in an adrift coffin. Rodimus had summoned [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] the investigator, [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] the savant, [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] the theoretician, [[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome]] the [[mnemosurgery|mnemosurgeon]], and [[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]] the genius (citation needed). The investigation was cut short, as the ''Lost Light'' began disappearing thanks to some temporal shenanigans. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}}

The group's next incarnation featured an expanded roster, including the addition of [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]], [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]], [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]], [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]], [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]], [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], [[Ten]], [[Ravage (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ravage]], [[Rung (G1)|Rung]], and [[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]]. The group was unofficially convened because [[Getaway]] and [[Atomizer]] had arranged for this certain band of crew members to be evicted from the ''Lost Light'' onto [[Necroworld]], staging a mutiny against Rodimus and Megatron. When the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] and [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]'s army of [[Decepticon]]s arrived to kill them all, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}} the gang of outcasts weighed their options. Though Brainstorm tried to convince the crew to flee through the [[Censere|Necrobot]]'s teleport booth, Megatron convinced everyone to stay to protect a newly discovered batch of organics. Team Rodimus got some reinforcements when [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] and [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] returned, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 2: The Sun in Flight|The Sun in Flight}} and everyone prepared to face the Decepticons as sunset neared. When Megatron proved unwilling to join the battle and their defenses unable to protect them indefinitely, Rodimus rallied the team to make their last stand. After Skids volunteered to undergo trauma to give everyone a critical power boost, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 5: Rage, Rage|Rage, Rage}} Rodimus brought every member of the team in for a group hug to make it work, and thanked them for going on their adventures with him. Team Rodimus charged the waiting Decepticons, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} proving to be a formidable match for the army outside. However, when Skids died, so too did their power boost. The crew was surrounded and seemingly doomed until Megatron personally entered the fray. The gang retreated into the fortress while Megs held off the Decepticons, and watched as he was overwhelmed by [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]] and [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]], {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 5: Rage, Rage|Rage, Rage}} and as the Deception army retreated when Rewind and Swerve fired a psychic attack at Deathsaurus. As the group watched Megatron wipe out the DJD, they found that the organics they thought they were protecting were actually long-lost Cybertronians like [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] and [[Terminus (G1)|Terminus]]. Megatron was retrieved by Rodimus, and after a big reunion, the gang reflected on their discoveries and their next move. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

[[Category:Autobot subgroups]]
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 subgroups]]

Azure

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Cyclonus-guard: /* Ask Vector Prime */ fixed spelling error from the to they

[[File:Azure CheapShots.jpg|thumb|right|zure! ive e zur !]]

'''Azure''' is a dingy, depressing backwater planet located thirty-seven light years south of the edge of [[Vestial Imperium]] space. It is known for having a fair number of run-down buildings and sleazy (run-down) bars, having limited repair facilities, and completely failing to live up to its name by being predominantly brown due to copper-saturated oceans.

[[Purgatory (asteroids)|Purgatory]] is worse, though that says far more about that place than it does about this one.

==Fiction==
===''Classics''===
[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] and his crew traveled to Azure seeking repairs after a fight with [[Vestial Imperium]] troops. When they were unable to communicate with the local militia due to their communications system being down, the militia shot them out of the sky in an uncharacteristic show of initiative. They then managed to crash into the only repair bay equipped to fix their ship.

They spent six and a half weeks stranded on the planet, during which time they were regularly harassed by locals itching for a chance to pound some [[Transformer]]s. Eventually they were hired by ''[[Amory]]'', a sentient [[Shi-Lai]] starship who was also on Azure and needed a detective to help her find her [[Phyrion|missing pilot]]. They then left Azure with ''Amory'' to travel to [[Purgatory (asteroids)|Purgatory]], where the pilot's disappearance occurred. {{storylink|Cheap Shots}}

===''Animated'' cartoon===
Azure was a neutral organic planet on the rim of the [[Vestial Imperium]]. {{Storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
[[Banzai-Tron (Cybertron)|Banzai-Tron]] settled in the multi-species capital of Azure after he left the war behind on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. He, along with like-minded aliens, founded a dojo to teach peaceful self defense. He was eventually joined by [[Bludgeon (Cybertron)|Bludgeon]]. They left after the political climate became less friendly. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/29}}

[[Category:Animated planets]]
[[Category:Classics planets]]
[[Category:Cybertron planets]]

Scrap Iron (SG)

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Cyclonus-guard: /* Notes */ there seemed to be an error where GI Joe was missing from the second note as it read "The name "Scrap Iron" comes from a member of as Fun publications also holds the G.I. Joe license"

{{factions|sgAutobot|junkion}}
{{disambig3.5|the evil Junkion|his heroic counterpart|Scrapheap (G1)|Scrap Iron}}
:''Scrap Iron is an evil [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:ScrapIronSG-filecardart.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Memes. Meeeeeeeeemes.]]
Once a normal Cybertronian, the robot now called '''Scrap Iron''' was stripped of his [[Spark#Embers|ember]] and transformed into a "Type 001" [[Junkion (species)#Shattered_Glass|Junkion]] by [[Wreck-Gar (SG)|Wreck-Gar]]. Now he serves as a front-line warrior for the Hive, carrying out the will of his leader without question and reveling in the destruction of his enemies.

==Fiction==
===''Shattered Glass''===
[[Image:Invasion-Magnusportal.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Let me introduce you to TVTropes. It's slightly less addictive than me.]]

[[Junkheap (SG)|Junkheap]] and Scrap Iron were imprisoned along with [[Wreck-Gar (SG)|Wreck-Gar]] on [[Paradron]] when the Junkions proved to be a threat to both Autobot and Decepticon.

Years later, when [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]] was freed from Paradron's prisons by [[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] and [[Tracks (SG)|Tracks]], the Junkions were offered freedom as well and a place in his army. Using the [[stellar spanner]], Magnus aimed to travel to another dimension, so Wreck-Gar, Junkheap, and Scrap Iron sent little...snake...things ahead of them through the Stellar Spanner's portal to this new world. These snake...things... corrupted several heroic Autobots in the target dimension into new Junkions. Magnus, Wheeljack, Tracks, and the Junkions traveled through the portal next, making short work of the heroic Autobots who remained.

The multiplying masses of Junkions continued to make it difficult for their opponents to succeed, whether they were heroic or evil Decepticons or evil Autobots. Ultimately, Ultra Magnus succeeded in destroying the alternate universe and bringing its Earth to their own universe's [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Wreck-Gar and his Junkions fled with Magnus at the end of the battle. {{Storylink|Invasion (issue)|Invasion}}

{{-}}

==Toys==
===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-BC2012ScrapIron.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' / '''Scrap Iron''' / '''Junkheap'''
**''Accessories:'' Axe

: Scrap Iron is a [[redeco]] of [[e-HOBBY]] [[Scrapheap (G1)#United|Scrapheap]], transforming into a "junker" dirt bike in [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] colors. His tailpipe assembly transforms into a four-bladed battle-axe, which also has a [[C joint|3mm clip]]. He is designed to be able to ride another figure of the same base mold in vehicle mode, simulating the action seen in ''The Transformers: The Movie''.

: This mold was also retooled from [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Wreck-Gar]], [[Junkyard (G1)#Generations|Junkheap]], and the other [[Junkion (species)#Shattered Glass|Junkion]]s. It also served as the basis of the non-toy ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Crazybolt (BWN)|Crazybolt]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/BCScrapIron/scrapiron.htm More information on Scrap Iron at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
* An error on Scrap Iron's filecard makes it ambiguous what his stats are. His Intelligence is rated 4 and his Speed is rated 7, but the corresponding bars are switched. It's pretty likely that the numbers are correct, considering who and what he is.
*Scrap Iron presumably has a slightly different name from his positive universe counterpart for [[trademark]] reasons. The name "Scrap Iron" comes from [[Scrap-Iron|a member of]] [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] as [[Fun Publications]] also holds the ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]] license.

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