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Talk:Transformers: Generations (toyline)

2012-07-14T14:29:22Z

DarkCon: /* 2013 Generations at SDCC */ new section

Can we get a source on Blurr coming in a future wave? I thought that was an April Fool's joke. --Anon, 10:42, 26 April 2010
:[http://www.parrygamepreserve.com/newsDetail.php?jID=1325 Parry Game Preserve's March Q&A answers]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:23, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

== War for Cybertron ==

I don't know how much this means, but if you click on "War for Cybertron toys" on Hasbro's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War for Cybertron] page it brings up the whole first wave of Generations. I doubt that this in itself pulls Drift and Thrust into the ''[[Transformers: Prime]]'' [[continuity family]], but I suppose there is a small chance that this is the direction Hasbro is going. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:05, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
: It means nothing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Launch Date ==

-Have the toys hit retail yet? I havn't seen them anywhere, but the page doesn't say Wave 1 is "scheduled for release" anymore.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 12:25, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
:One can order them on Walmart.com, thus why there isn't the 'scheduled for release' template for Wave 1. Looking forward to them being sold at actual stores. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:08, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::They ARE being sold at actual stores. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:32, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Depends on where you are. Around here (NC) stores tend to be about 2 months behind NY/CA in getting things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:51, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::::My local Walmart seems to have many Wave 4 ROTF Deluxe toys left. Back on topic; thank you, Blackout, for sharing. Looking forward to seeing them at stores in my neck of the woods. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:26, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 2 coming out?

Speaking of Wave 2, it seems to me that Drift and Thrust are not part of Wave 1. WFC Optimus and Bumblebee have been at stores for about a month, but I havn't seen the former two.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 12:12, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
: This is because Toys R Us got an advance WFC-only case to promote WFC when WFC came out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:26, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

-I think Dirge and Blurr will be released by this christmas, as they weren't included in Cybertroncon's "Spring 2011" transformers,but they didn't mention Reflector or Cliffjumper did they?
::Dirge and Blurr are being shipped by BigBadToyStore right now. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:05, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 5 coming out?

DESPERATELY SEEKING BLURR!! I've seen reportrs of people buying him in stores, but I havn't seen him anywhere. Are these reports true? I don't want to miss out on this guy.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 18:57, 27 November 2010 (EST)

——They sure are true, I've got Dirge, Blurr, Cliffjumper and Thunderwing, maybe it's just your location.

== Other "Generations-like" packaged toys ==

There's a bunch of toys that are in Generations-like packaging that don't say Generations on it: the new Seacons set, the dollar-store Classics Mini-Con redecos, the ROTF Activators (and probably other stuff I've forgotten). Should we place them under Generations here and in their individual articles? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:40, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Thanks for the total lack of comments, guys. Good hustle. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:57, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
::Just put them under the subtitle-less toyline. If they were meant to be in Generations, they would have it on their boxes. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:03, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Here's one - Masterpiece Grimlock is in a subtitle-less Generations style red packaging, but Hasbro's presentation slides (from Toy Fair, I believe) place him in Universe. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:25, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

== War for Cybertron toys ==

"* Clicking "War For Cybertron Toys" on Hasbro's [http://www2.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War For Cybertron] webpage brings up the whole "Generations" toyline. Looking for War For Cybertron toys? Here you go." It also brings up some PCC toys. Hasbro just loves messing with us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:41, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

== Kup ==
Is Kup confirmed enough for inclusion on the page? With the picture on the battle in space 2 pack, it seems compleatly comfirmed.--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 19:38, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not until it's officially announced. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 19:39, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Pretty sure he was officially announced at BotCon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:56, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Not really. They were vague in that Hasbro way at best. And it's not like G1 guys don't get fictional redesigns with frequency. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:32, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::I don't think going "cough cough KUP cough cough" in answer to "which guys coming out can you not talk about" in front of hundreds of people is vague at all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:47, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Well, I didn't know that. I suppose I'd wait until slightly more solid confirmation, but I guess I admit defeat for now. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:49, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I would suggest holding off on adding Kup until we're sure which toyline he'll be part of: Generations, Transformers (2010 toyline), or possibly something else (which most likely would be improbable since the main part of 2011 would focus on the third movie). Just want to spare everyone the trouble of cutting and pasting from one article to another like what was done for Special Ops Jazz and Turbo Tracks. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:09, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I agree with this. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:11, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

== Gen 2 Optimus Prime ==

I know that Gen 2 Optimus has been announced, but he wasn't declared a 'Generations' toy, was he? I know I listed him as such on the G1 Optimus Prime toy article, but there's a possibility that I might have jumped the gun (like what was done with Special Ops Jazz). That's why I removed him from the list on this article (after adding him the day before). Meanwhile, I'll leave the Prime toy page as is until there's verification. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 11:24, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:I hate how Hasbro is handling this! They have separate toylines and separate fictions, but the toylines don't match up to the fictions! ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why couldn't "Transformers" just be movie line figures and "Generations" non-movie line figures? (Sidebar- Why do retailers seem to think that movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie toys? OTHER than TFs and Star Wars EVERY movie line seems to clog shelves for years! The two Hulk toy lines were taking up tons of space on shelves right next to each other!) Okay, end of ranting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:32, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:: I would imagine that retailers think to seem Transformers movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie Transformers toys because they very very obviously are. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:51, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Especially after the huge demands for Transformers toys that lead to empty shelves in 2007. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 11:58, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Huh. Haven't noticed such a huge disparity around here. TFs have pretty much had the same shelf space since RID and have sold pretty steadily (except maybe Energon). The only real jump in shelf space was when Movie, Universe and Animated were running concurrently. Even then all sold well, with Movie having the largest proportion of shelfwarmers. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:55, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

== Shouldn't Tracks, Jazz et al at least get a mention in the article ==
I know Hasbro ain't exactly making this easy for us with their confusing brand nomenclature, but shoudn't we making it easy for ourselves? I know this is simlar to the Kup and G2 Prime points above, but we currently do know how Jazz and Tracks are coming. They are obviously CHUG in design, though not in brand. They deserve a mention in the article. I would do it myself right now, but the more anankastic among us would automatically click the undo button and I couldn't be arsed wasting the effort in that particular style of edit war. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 07:34, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
:No, not if they aren't ''Generations''. They are listed on the ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers]]'' page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:47, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
::Crockalley had added a note that was then edited by me to say "The [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers 2010 toyline]] contains several toys with a design aesthetic similar to the Generations line. This led to confusion when fan expectations were contradicted by official Hasbro announcements." Is there consensus to leave this note, remove it entirely or edit it? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:05, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I say leave the note as is. Having two toylines, both of which has G1-based characters in them, does cause confusion. Hopefully Hasbro will do be better job of seperating characters if they have future branching main toylines. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:50, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
::::And another batch of expected Generations figures is revealed as 2010 line instead. Any bets on how much longer this remains an ongoing line? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:14, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
::::: For as long as Hasbro wants to maximize shelf space. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:24, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

I know this doesn't belong on this page's talk page, but we haven't really got a grasp on HFTD or Reveal the Shiled sublines of the other line. And right now giving each of those lines their own category is as a good as a suggestion as any (i.e not much). The retailiers are doing better job than us on this point. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 16:12, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:Actually after reading the discussion on Lugnut's talk page, and the more the I think of it, is Generations any more of a separate line than HFTD or RTS? Wouldn't it make as much sense as to incorpoarte Generations under Transformers 2010? A bit like how Universe 2008 had G1 series, War Within series, G2 series etc etc 15:59, 4 November 2010 (EDT)
::No, because Generations has a different style of packaging. Universe '08 had the same packaging while denoting which era the toys came from. HFTD and RTS is only a promo. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 16:22, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

== United ==
-I want to know more about the relationship between Generations and the united toyline...Is Generations releasing Wheeljack and Kup like United, or is United releasing additional transformers. Besides, when is United being released?
: We don't have official solicitations from Hasbro about Wheeljack or Kup, but there is no doubt that we'll see them over here. Takara wouldn't make those toys on their own; it just doesn't happen. As for release dates, the preorder pages on BigBadToyStore and the like will tell you that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:19, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Difficulty bar note ==

What is that note about the difficulty bar trying to say? What is the difficulty bar for in lines that aren't all deluxes? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:14, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:Normally, the difficulty bar denotes the size of the toy rather than how difficult it is to convert the toy (or so has been my observation). If you take a look on the packaging of past toys (and on the packaging of the Transformers (2010) toyline), you'll notice that ''all'' the Deluxe-sized toys has a difficulty rating of 3, ''all'' the Voyager-class toys has a rating of 4, etc. However, Universe '08 Onslaught (an Ultra-size toy with a difficulty rating of 4) was a cinch to transform while TF (2010) Ironhide (a Deluxe-sized toy with a difficulty rating of 3) was a pain in the....neck to convert (especially with that chest piece you had to get just right and then you move him a little and it pops out! '''Argh!!!'''). But with the 'Generations' line, Hasbro was kind enough to have individual ratings for the toys (as noted in the article). Therefore, if it says Cybertronian Bumblebee is a 4th-level difficulty toy, I'm not as aggrevated and less compelled to break the toy in half out of frustration ("You knew the danger when you took it", as one feathered superhero used to say). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 08:45, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::Some 2010 Deluxes have difficulty ratings of 4 now. Maybe Hasbro is rationalizing things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:41, 30 November 2010 (EST)

== Arcee and others ==

There was an interesting article on TFW showing some possible figures.[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/generations-arcee-and-warpath-listed-171232/] Is this source good enough for those too be added?--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 00:29, 8 January 2011 (EST)
:The article simply mentioned some listings in Walmart's database, then went on to speculate. Sorry, but that's not enough in my book. Besides, we don't know which Warpath is being made into a Generations toy (G1 or Prime...or, though highly unlikely, Animated). As for Arcee, yes, it could be the G1 version since it's the Generations line, but Hasbro might throw us for a loop and come out with a Movieverse version of Arcee (despite one being released for 'ROTF' as well as Elita-One being part of the TF2010 line). Or, Arcee could be the 'Energon' version. Just be patient, gang, and we'll find out for sure soon enough. Until then, pray for a Generations version of Battletrap. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:02, 8 January 2011 (EST)
::I'd just like to pint out that computer listings can, have, and will change. We'd found computer listings for Alternators that never existed. BW Cackle was named "Kangaroo" when he rung up AT THE REGISTER, just as Mutant Razorclaw came up "Dinobite". So... yeah. Lot of variable that can easily change. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:36, 8 January 2011 (EST)
:::Can we protect this page or something? This is getting ridiculous. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:59, 9 January 2011 (EST)

== Warpath? ==

Why is he on there right now, has he been officially stated to be part of the line? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 04:31, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:At Toyfair, I believe. If not, I know he's been officially solicited to retailers. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:54, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::He was not mentioned at Toy Fair. <strike>We'd only officially know he exists due to Zobovor's Walmart computer listings, and we already know those are out of date because Arcee, Bumblebee, and Starscream are no longer Generations. Warpath should not yet be on this list.</strike> Durrrr, BBTS has him for preorder. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::BBTS pre-order is official enough for us to list, then? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:48, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::::I think so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:02, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Good show, thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 16:47, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Kaon Prisoner does not understand what waves are. ==

Wave 8 has only one toy: Warpath. THIS IS NOT A WAVE, WAVES CONSIST OF FOUR FIGURES, NOT ONE!!! So can I make a change? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 19:31, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
:No. That is a wave, Warpath is just the only new figure in it. The rest are figures from older waves. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:13, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
::I think it would be useful to include all of the toys included within a wave to the section, though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:26, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

No, 'cause it's only one toy on wave 8, that's not a wave, they should make three more. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:03, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

P.S. A wave is 4 figures, that's what I meant. Why don't you understand me? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:05, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
: A wave is not 4 figures. A wave has never ever ever been defined as 4 figures, except only by you, right now. A case of Deluxe Class toys has 8 figures, and the number of distinct toys in that case, new or old, can range from 1 to 8. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

About the title: I ''do'' know what waves are, thank you very much. '''''ALSO:''''' What about the others?! --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:11, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
:Wave 8's layout is as follows: One Scourge, one Kup, two Wheeljacks, two Thundercrackers and two Warpaths: [http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HT98452H] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

At [[User: ItsWalky]]: Not as a box, as a single figure, I have Generations Megs and Soundwave, it's four, not 8, you must be confused with [[Reveal The Shield]]. As in [[Rodimus vs. Cyclonus]]. So... logic dictates that you're an idiot. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:20, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Detour: No those are from other waves. Also way too many figures. Sigh. Look, it's only one figure! Currently. Or is it never, what with the Prime toyline rolling in? Also the caption is "That's it! We're done!" So that ''is'' it. They ''are'' done. ''THEY NO LONGER MAKING ANYMORE YOYS!!!!!!!'' --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:36, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
:You need to read the definition of a [[wave]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:40, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
::To clarify for Kaon Prisoner: A case contains 8 figures. Those eight figures make up a wave. They may be all the same or they may be eight different figures or some mixture. When the figures in a case change, that is a new wave. Often some figures from a previous wave will continue to be shipped in the new wave. Example: Wave 1 may contain 2 each of Figures A, B, C, and D. Wave 2 may contain 2 As, 2 Bs, 1C, 1D and two Figure Es. A, B, C, D and E are ALL Wave 2 figures but only Figure E is new. This is the situation with Warpath and the rest of Wave 8. A = Wheeljack, B = Thundercracker, C = Scourge, D = Kup and E = Warpath. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:49, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Khauis... Ah fuhgeddit... (and this is me quoting TRON:) I don't get it. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:00, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Also I've read the article on waves, thanks for the tip. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:06, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
:If you've read my explanation and the article on waves and still don't understand, then I don't know what to tell you to show you why you're mistaken. I would advise you that calling people idiots is not good behavior. Especially when one of them (ItsWalky) is an admin on this site. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:16, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Sorry about that. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 14:23, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== Hm. ==

They've not announced new figures. Strange.--[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:42, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:The Generations toyline has ran its course. It's now all about the DOTM line and the Transformers: Prime line (which is scheduled for sometime in October). This is the natural course of toylines nowadays. Check out the [[Subline imprint]] article (especially the 'Game Theory' subheading) for more information. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:55, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::Actually NO. Hasbro has insisted consistantly and just repeated at Botcon that Generations is not over and will continue at least through the end of the year. So his Hmm. Strange. Kinda stands. It may be they're still going to include Prime in Generations. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 22:10, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Even if they do more Generations figures later this year, it still is to be expected that there would be no new announcements about them right now. Right now, Hasbro's focus is on DOTM. Basically every release we will hear about for the next 3 months will be DOTM. So, no, that "strange" doesn't stand. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:30, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
:::We saw the packaging for Prime toys at BotCon. It isn't Generations packaging. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:12, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Do the Asian exclusives count towards the 40+ Generations toys mentioned at Toy Fair? [[Special:Contributions/90.192.94.240|90.192.94.240]] 08:43, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

:No. 1) 40+ are US releases, those are not, 2) those are 2012 releases, the 40 are for 2013.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 09:31, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== 2013 Generations at SDCC ==

First, Asian exclusives will come to US, at Toys R US:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/asian-import-exclusive-transformers-generations-hasbro-official-images-175484/

And voyager Grimlock is confirmed with a bunch of repains:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/2012-transformers-generations-official-hasbro-product-images-175488/

Talk:Transformers: Prime (toyline)

2012-07-14T14:25:14Z

DarkCon: /* New SDCC stuff */ new section

Optimus and Megatron toys were revealed at Toy Fair: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/more-transformers-prime-toys-revealed-optimus-prime-megatron-and-humans-171432/ —[[User:TOM|TOM]] 21:40, 7 February 2011 (EST)
: Yes, we're well aware: [[Miko Nakadai]], [[Jack Darby]], [[Raf Esquivel]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:15, 7 February 2011 (EST)

== SDCC 2011 new toy pics ==

Hasbro stock photos for four new figures - http://comics.ign.com/articles/118/1183012p1.html --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 22:36, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

== Wave numberings ==

Are we certain that the Deluxes Vehicon and Terrorcon Cliffjumper are part of the Robots in Disguise waves and are not part of the First Edition waves? After all, at NYCC 2011, Hasbro stated that the Wheeljack, Soundwave, new mold Bumblebee, and new mold Cliffjumper figures were Robots in Disguise Wave 1. Couldn't these two be "First Edition Wave 3"? SDCC 2011 showed them to be "Wave 3" figures, and they're coming out before the four mentioned "RiD Wave 1" figures. So, what's the story behind putitng them in the RiD main line instead of the FE line? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 22:59, 26 November 2011 (EST)

'''Terrorcon Cliffjumper is the FE mold, but part of the RID line. It shouldn't be listed as it is on here. Further, in his place should be deluxe FE Megatron who is properly First Edition Deluxe Series 005.'''

== Japanese Exclusives? ==

Not going to worry about adding it to the article now (I'm sure someone with more local cred will do it), but how should the new "Prime Targetmaster Companions" from Japan, Skywarp, and the other handful of Japanese-only toys so far announced going to be handled? Just treat them in a similar vein to the (now old) [[Robots in Disguise]] line? - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 18:25, 20 January 2012 (EST)
:I think only the ones that have no Hasbro counterparts should be listed in some fashion. The rest that are still relatively similar to the Hasbro versions shouldn't be listed, since we didn't do that for the Animated toyline page. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:13, 21 January 2012 (EST)

== Separating the First Edition toys from the Robots in Disguise toys ==

Does anyone else think there should be separated individual sections for the First Edition toys and the Robots in Disguise toys? I mean, it might seem a little neater to put all nine First Edition releases by themselves in one section and then all the Robots in Disguise toys below them in a second section, as right now we have them wrapping around each other with things looking a little confusing. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 22:33, 20 January 2012 (EST)

: Seems to be how things are organized on other pages with similar themes (Unicron Battles, etc.). I went ahead and separated them out. Probably should add the 'upcoming item' tags to a few entries here. - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 23:29, 20 January 2012 (EST)
:: And now that's done. I didn't add the macro to the first wave of RiD toys, since they're apparently coming out in the UK already and should be in release in the US any time now. I also didn't do anything about the "Movers" since I have no clue about them. - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 23:36, 20 January 2012 (EST)

== Gun Jumping? ==
: I didn't think we could/should use store pre-orders as 'verification' of upcoming assortments until they were confirmed. RobotKingdom has had errors in their pre-order information in the past, and some of these products (such as the Bot Shots) don't appear to be Prime products at all. While some of the upcoming material seems obvious (Voyager Megatron), shouldn't we wait for a little more confirmation? There's a reason I didn't put up Skywarp just yet, after all... - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 00:46, 21 January 2012 (EST)
::[[Help:Official info#What constitutes official information?]] Though, if there are indeed any errors in this information, feel free to make any necessary corrections. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 00:53, 21 January 2012 (EST)
:::Well, the RobotKingdom link doesn't identify the branding of the Bot Shots toys, so those should not be here yet. Also, RobotKingdom is NOT currently on the 'first source' list that you cited. (Again, not trying to be difficult here, just that pre-order information has been burned before, particularly from RobotKingdom). At the very least, the Bot Shot assortment should be removed for the time being, and I think there should be a note added about the sources of future wave information be placed for the time being. This is an admin call, though, so I'm not going to make the edit. - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 01:00, 21 January 2012 (EST)
::::Yeah, I wasn't too certain on those, which is why I didn't link them to any specific version of those characters. But, you're right, we'll need the voice of one higher up to decide. Though, Walky did just add [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Silas&diff=680511&oldid=677105 this bit] to Silas' page, so... yeah, I'm stumped. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:05, 21 January 2012 (EST)

== Just a few observations... ==

For one, I'm confident that 'Robots in Disguise' is simply referring to the Deluxe/Voyager price-point figures, the same way that 'MechTech' was used in the Dark of the Moon toyline. Note how only Deluxe/Revealers and Voyager/Powerizers have the 'Robots in Disguise' logo, as well as red details on the packaging, while Legion and Commander have 'Cyberverse', green detailing and no sign of 'Robots in Disguise' anywhere on them. The use of 'Robots in Disguise' for the ENTIRE mainline seems erroneous to me. Secondly, I'm also wondering if perhaps 'Revealers' and 'Powerizers' are simply tentative size-classes. The packaging for the figures still read 'Deluxe' and 'Voyager', and likewise, the Argos catalogue itself lists them as Deluxe and Voyager. I wonder if the Revealer/Powerizer names are actually, like 'CyberTech' and 'Megaverse', terms not being used officially, yet are still in the computer systems for Argos (when picking up my reserved Wheeljack, the Argos worker listed it as 'one Prime Revealer', yet his packaging states him to be Deluxe). I am not a member of any of the online Transformers communities, so I thought it best to raise the point here. If I'm in the wrong, by all means gloss over the non-member's random comments! {{unsigned|90.205.85.159 }}

== Is the BigBadToyStore a credible source? ==

I noticed recently that the BBTS have a page for Japanese 'Prime' figures, including several listed that I don't think have been confirmed anywhere else. TFW2005 have pointed it out and listed the figures by size class, including the new ones. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 19:48, 26 January 2012 (EST)

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/menu.aspx?menu=2819&category=8098

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/new-japanese-prime-toy-listings-on-bbts-174235/

: BBTS is very credible, as far as being a secondary source. The only issue here is that we don't know, for sure, what all these Japanese releases actually are just yet. "Dreadwing" seems to be their version of "Skyquake", based on its listing. "Bikon" seems to be a very, very badly romanized version of "Vehicon". "Skywarp" is likely a redeco of the deluxe "Starscream" figure. All of this, of course, could be completely wrong. But, there's no harm, just yet, in just waiting until either Takara updates its page or we start seeing toy pictures. - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 14:31, 30 January 2012 (EST)

== First Edition line cancelled? ==

[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/transformers-prime-first-editions-officially-canceled-for-the-us-174249/ According to TFW2005, BBTS, and TFSource,] Hasbro has pulled the plug on First Edition ''Prime'' figures.
:- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 16:47, 28 January 2012 (EST)

== Arms Micron are listed here twice ==

They were already listed under the First Edition exclusives as Japanese exclusives, and now they gone and had their own section added in, repeating them. Just to clarify, which Arms Micron are First Edition exclusives and which aren't? Where is line drawn for them? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:34, 1 February 2012 (EST)

== Mirage, Evac and Soundwave ==

According to the packaged images, these guys don't actually use the Prime name on their packagings... should they be considered a separate toyline, or is this new TFP toyline actually a Transformers catch-all line that just uses the Prime subtitle where necessary? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:44, 18 February 2012 (EST)

== Cyberverse "Series 2" What is 1 ==

So, bought Prime Cyberverse Ratchet today. In a number of places on his package it says he is "Series 2: 004". But he's wave 1 of Prime toys. Does that mean these are Series 2 counting Movie Cyberverse as "Series 1"? If so we should probably note it. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:44, 21 February 2012 (EST)

== Weaponizer ==

Are Weaponizers Leader-class?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 15:24, 27 February 2012 (EST)
:They are Leader class-sized, but are their own distinctive class priced at the Ultra price point. -- Sabrblade (not logged in) 15:30, 27 February 2012 (EST)

== Guess ==
Given how Kup is a retool of Ironhide, isn't it a safe bet to say that Ironhide is in Wave 4? --[[Special:Contributions/12.164.240.144|12.164.240.144]] 13:04, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
:There's nothing to directly indicate that Kup is a retool of Ironhide, we do see that he's a redeco, the head on the Cyberverse Ironhide and the Revealer Kup look very similar in the "fireman's helmet" shape, it may not be a retool. There's also no guarantee that Kup will be out AFTER Ironhide; this could be a similar situation to Generations Wheeljack/RtS Turbo Tracks, where Tracks was a redeco and retool of Wheeljack, but Wheeljack came out later. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 17:01, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

== Manufacturing shift ==

Starting with the cyberverse and [[Bot Shots]] lines, production is based in Vietnam, rather then China.
[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 22:13, 7 April 2012 (EDT)

== Waves 2 and 3 ==
Should we take down the "Not yet released" Box from Revealers Wave 3 and Powerizers Wave 2. Seeing as they are confirmed to be out pretty much everywhere, I would do it myself but I can't. [[User:Grimlock140|Grimlock140]] 3:39, 25 April 2012

== New SDCC stuff ==

Someone should add all this:

FE Voyagers, Vehicon and Terrorcon Cliffjumper will be sold in US.
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/san-diego-comic-con-33/sdcc-2012-first-edition-tf-prime-toys-coming-to-us-on-display-images-175470/

And some new confirmed toys:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/transformers-prime-dark-energon-bbts-exclusive-official-hasbro-images-175486/

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/transformers-prime-voyager-ultra-magnus-skyquake-official-images-175483/

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/official-transformers-prime-cyberverse-wave-4-images-from-hasbro-175481/

Talk:Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)

2011-06-01T18:04:57Z

DarkCon: /* Foreign names */

'''We do not care about leaks. Do not tell us who you saw on the set. Do not present us with images of stolen toys. Unless you can [[Help:Official info|source it in an official press release or reputable news source]], we do not care. Please stop telling us who you saw in set photography.'''

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== TITLE ==

[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-3-title-revealed-the-dark-of-the-moon/19947/ Looks like we've got a title.]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:Can I just go on record that that is a crappy name? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with you, but it comes with many joke opportunities.
::I just.....haven't figured out what they are yet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:53, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::All I can think of is the Alabama song "Fire In The Night". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:57, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::The ''Dark'' of the moon? Does that mean the movie is going to be just another one of those crappy conspiracy theories saying the US didn't get to the moon first? Does this mean this is hardly going to be a movie about Transformers? This seems pretty likely. Also, that name is just borderline teen novel. Hopefully they'll change everything at the last minute into something relatively better like they did before. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:59, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Here are some jokes we could use.
:::::"Dark Side of the Moon was taken."
:::::"Is it a Twilight crossover?"
:::::(Thank you Seibertron forum posters!) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:01, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I hadn't even thought about Twilight until Loki said teen novel. Now, I can't get the word "Vampformers" out of my head. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:08, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Does this mean the main pic has to be that shot of John Turturro's as from ROTF?[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:22, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::No and shame on you for even thinking it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:27, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::One thing I really like from the first 3 movies (86,07,09) wiki articles are the running joke used throughout. Star Wars, the 86 movie, and Empire Strikes Back. I would have thought we would use nothing but Return of the Jedi quotes here, but with this new title part of me thinks it would be great to use nothing but lyrics off the Dark Side of the Moon album. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:36, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::We picked Star Wars and Empire for their respective films because the TF creative teams in those years specifically compared their products to those films--it was us making a joke out of their marketing idea. Though having captions about ROTJ would obviously "complete the set," I'm kind of against us making jokes out of ''our own traditions'' instead of the traditions of the franchise creators. It would seem like we're just jerking off. So I'd actually prefer Pink Floyd too. Of course, given that there's still a year for someone at Paramount to make a comparison between the respective 3rd films, the point may be moot. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Actually, using Pink Floyd quotes here would preserve and extend the pattern we have going. 1st Movie/Star Wars Universe quotes, 2nd Movie/Non-SW quotes, 3rd Movie/SW Universe quotes, 4th Movie/Non-SW quotes. Remember that 1st - 4th is in real world terms, ignoring the fact that the 1st movie was not part of the same universe as the current trilogy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:10, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Agreed. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:29, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Should we also put in a note that "dark of the moon" is real phrase and not completely made up? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Ahem. IT WAS THE DARK OF THE MOON ON THE SIXTH OF JUNE WITH A KENWORTH HAULIN' LOGS/ CABOVER PETE WITH A REEFER ON AND A JIMMY HAULIN HOGS/ WE WAS HEADED FOR BEAR ON I-1-OH ABOUT A MILE OUTTA SHAKEY TOWN/ I SAID "PIG PEN THIS HERE'S THE RUBBER DUCK, WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN." -hx at work, this is all the caption you need.
:ARGH! I can't believe I forgot that! I can just see the "bout to put the hammer down" part as an Optimus Prime caption ("Convoy", don't you know. :)). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with this comment. Also, now we have a title, is it time to add it to the left-hand navigation menu? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:16, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Save it for the Japanese release info. "Ironically enough, not a great big Convoy rockin' through the night." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
I don't see any Amazon listings anymore, but the [http://www.transformersmovie.com Transformers movie website] is called "Transformers: Dark of the Moon". (Don't look at the logo, look at the title of the website in the web browser.) Should we lose the "the"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:43, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:At the same time, the domain they registered is "transformersthedarkofthemoonmovie.com", which has the leading "The" in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::"transformersdarkofthemoonmovie.com" is also registered by the same party. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:03, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Why would they register it with the "The" if "The" isn't in the title? Whereas I can see why they'd also register it without, because people might accidentally leave it out when typing the url (and also for brand protection). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:57, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Similar reasons apply for registering the name with a superfluous "the". "The dark of the moon" is a preexisting term, people might easily insert it by mistake. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:08, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::IDK, the title of a web page just doesn't seem like enough to me to move the page. The titles on Amazon all had "The" in them, which might have been added mistakenly by whoever added them there, or might not have been. I suspect we should wait for some sort of official unveiling, because if we move the page now, we may well just be moving it back later. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:13, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::According to the teaser trailer, at least in Latin America, the international title of the movie is '''Transformers 3''' (THANK GOD). Should we put it on the article?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 03:28, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::Are you sure it's the international title, or is it just the title in your area? Either way, it could be added somewhere in there I'm sure. [[User:The Autobot Hero|Hero]] 00:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Scratch that, the new trailer calls the movie "El lado oscuro de la Luna" (Dark side of the moon), at least the movie looks awesome.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 19:23, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Uh, Walky.... ==

How does "www.transformersdarksideofthemoon.com." confirm that "The Dark of the Moon" is the title? Or did you put in the "side" in that URL by mistake? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:56, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
: Yeah. Mistake. Durrr. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Fixed. I expect this slip-up to happen only 30,000 more times. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mainly I was asking on the off chance that the other things we've found had accidentally left out the "side". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:07, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

== Accident ==

Does last month's stunt accident where an extra got critically injured belong on this page, and if yes, where?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:I thought the top of this page said that the wiki does not care about news on the set. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 14:46, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::This is '''obviously''' not the kind of news the top of the page is talking about. Yes, the accident and lawsuit should be addressed on the page for the movie. Where, I dunno. Probably its own section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Maybe "Production", if it ever gets made. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::::I thought we usually didn't do production sections though? What if it was placed in it's own section down at the bottom with the notes and trivia and such. [[User:The Autobot Hero|Hero]] 00:20, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Disambig? ==

What are we going to use as the disambiguation suffix for this movie? I used (TDOTM) for the Carly artilce I created, but I could see just (DOTM) instead, or perhaps something from out of left field -- [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 23:04, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:(TDOTM) would be the most consistent. But (TF3) would be cool. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::The only other franchise I can find with an initial "the" is [[The Headmasters]], which has the disambiguation suffix (Headmasters). Going by that, I would say (DOTM). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:20, 8 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Considering Hasbro applied for the trademark "Dark of the Moon" without "the", I'm favoring (DOTM) too.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:05, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
::::(TDOTM) is a horrible disambig. I prefer (DOTM). --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:11, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

== The Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot and Rosenbaurer as Inferno ==

November-21=Michael Bay confirms the Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot.
:Hi. Cite a source. Sign your posts. Thank you. Goodbye. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:22, 21 November 2010 (EST)

== Should we add Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin? ==

Well, should we?

-ThiAthEhn
: And [[Walter Cronkite]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:56, 10 December 2010 (EST)

::Well, the question is, will they actually be ''in'' the film? This teaser feels very much like the teaser for the first movie, in that we may see only a little, or possibly even none, of the actual content of it in the film. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:57, 10 December 2010 (EST)

:::And we don't know if (though unlikely) they are main cast. And save their page for another day. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:00, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::I dunno, I think all promotional stuff still counts as "fiction" under our mandate. While they shouldn't be on the main cast list, I wouldn't be opposed to making articles on them and making some mention of them on the article. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:16, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:::::And in any case, we already have a [[Neil Armstrong]] page, per [[Ghosts of Yesterday]]. So I'll ask my question here: how much do we want to put into that article? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:42, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm tired of seeing useless perpetually incomplete pages for trivial as fuck foil characters that usually were only ''mentioned'' in the movie or even movie novelization in question and have no real story signifigance at all. I respectfully say nay to more character pages like this and I would recommend deleting such pages that are already created, such as the Mohammud page. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Then that's really too friggin' bad, because ''that's what this wiki is for.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:28, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::You really want your wiki to go to hell, to run rampant with the constant mindless page creations of anonymous IP adresses? You made one of the qualifications to delete a page "We are not a dictonary," but now you want to contradict yourself. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:32, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Uh, we've been making pages like this since the very beginning of the wiki back in 2006. At no point has this site ever succumbed to your insane scenario. So pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:36, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::What you said officially makes it okay to make pages like the pages made by anons from the start, so now you have put yourself in the situation where now a whole lot of anons who look around without editing will get that idea and tell all their friends about it and soon you have too many pages for Detour to put the speedy template on. Sure, in the past this has never happened, but now there is the possibility. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:39, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::Now that we're going to continue doing the exact same thing we've been doing for the past four years, suddenly it's all going to be different now and ruin us. Got it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:41, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::It's not that you've been doing the same thing all along, it's now you've said that doing what has been described now is alright and acceptable, and you seem to be ignoring/avoiding that. Besides, of course the consequences are not going to affect you immediately, so you shouldn't just assume that if the ramifications aren't immediate then there aren't any at all. Your 16-year-old level of sarcasm and quickness to attempt to avoid a situation is what makes people not like you. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:47, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::I'm not ignoring anything, because I shouldn't have to distinguish for you the differences between making a page for a guy featured heavily in a trailer for a blockbuster Transformers film and between making a page for "floor." The difference seems to be obvious to everyone else. Do you have any other recourse to people disagreeing with you that isn't calling them an X-year-old? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:58, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::The reason I used the X-year-old argument is because that is what I usually only see here that warrants a recourse from me, what with the "Um, yes it does" and "pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull" statements. I understand now that you have from the start always had a staff that can make the distinction between what is too little information and what isn't and make decisions based on that. I don't think that most people know what "too little information" is (including myself), so maybe that could be something you could put into the FAQ of the wiki for anons that want to be good editors but aren't and so people like me don't go anally retentive apeshit and get in heated arguments with the wiki's administrator. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 12:10, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::When the sole basis of your argument is "tons of anons will make bad pages", it's kind of hard to do anything but roll one's eyes at it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::Anons will make useless pages regardless of policies. I truly doubt making a page about Buzz Aldrin is suddenly going to open the floodgates for pages about grass, the birds, the bees, the peanut butter jelly time banana and Zartan's male pattern baldness. Your apocalypse scenario is ridiculous to say the least. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:01, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::They exist in the Transformers universe. Why shouldn't we have pages for them? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:17, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Saying something like, "What would Jesus do?" is not making them in-universe. Besides, the pages always stay shitty and are just bytes of worthless space-taking crap. What if the wiki made a whole page for every single obscure character that happened to be seen in a passing glance of the camera? The whole wiki would be have millions of pages of crap that nobody cares about. Besides, if somebody wanted to read about Buzz aldrin, they could just go to wikipedia. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:21, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Um, yes it does. If someone mentions Jesus in Transformers, that means that Jesus is in the Transformers universe? That'd be like if there was a standalone story where someone mentions how Bumblebee is a great scout, but Bumblebee doesn't appear otherwise. Does that mean Bumblebee doesn't exist? And there's a difference between making an article for someone who has no name, personality, or role, and making an article for someone who has a name and has a role hinted at. (We wouldn't make an article for a generic with no dialogue who's just there in the background, but we WOULD make an article for Bumblebee since he was named and we know that he's a scout.) And what if someone was curious about what Buzz Aldrin did in the Transformers world? Wikipedia wouldn't have that. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:24, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know very fucking well what I am talking about, don't act like a ten-year-old. I do not mean that important characters fiction wise (as in appearing in more than one piece of fiction in one universe) shouldn't have pages, they do have pages that account what they are important in. I mean not have pages about characters like the [[Muhammad]] or [[Jesus]] page that have no significance whatsoever in any piece of fiction. If they were more important in another piece of fiction, then they could have pages. What I want is quality control that isn't headed by ten-year-olds or anal people. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:29, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::But they do have significance. A character mentions them and gives some details. Small significance, but they exist. When I said "standalone", I was referring to a whole new universe, where we don't know if Bumblebee exists or not. Then, someone confirms he exists, so we make a page for him. How am I acting like a ten-year-old?
:::::::::::(I WILL admit there's a line. Remember "History vid Megatron", anyone?) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:34, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I think someone needs a timeout. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:02, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I remember "history vid Megatron"! According to a history video in Animated, he was a Decepticon during Animated's Great War. He looked like he commanded at least a platoon or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:19, 14 December 2010 (EST)

== Astronomical/Apollo Errors in Trailer ==

The trailer seems to suggest that, after it landed, Apollo 11 passed around to the dark side of the moon, or out of radio range, or something. This is, of course, nonsense, since the moon doesn't rotate with respect to Earth. If the trailer counts as canon, do we want to start an errors section for this? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:59, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:I think it is canon. That was strange. That looked like a real clip from Walter Cronkite, but maybe it was spliced together from different reports. Or maybe it was actually from before the landing when they were still in orbit. They sort of undercut the impact of the radio silence bit when mission control was still able to communicate with them. Maybe it was Sector 7 technology? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:19, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:: My reading of the trailer was that the astronauts WALKED to the far side of the moon once the feed was cut, explored, and then returned all within 21 minutes. Which is just as ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::You could be right. I was thrown off by one image where they were right next to the lander when they were "dark on the rock". That was probably out of sequence. Then again, being a movie trailer, the whole thing may be various images and dialog thrown together without regard to sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:34, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::But ''did'' they go to the dark side? I took "dark on the rock" to mean that communications were nil, that they were "in the dark", as it were. A figurative phrase, not literal. After all - you can SEE the Earth in the sky behind the spaceship! That couldn't be the dark side! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:02, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Cronkite says "We now have had confirmation of loss of signal from Apollo 11. Apollo 11 is on the far side of the moon". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:07, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::"Apollo 11" is the name of the mission, which involved the Columbia rocketship and the Lunar module that landed. The Columbia was in lunar orbit while Buzz and Neil were on the surface of the planet. The Columbia part of Apollo 11 definitely could have been on the far side of the moon, unless it, was, like, circling the exact circumference of the moon that we can see from Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:13, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Mind, the actual "dark side of the moon" where the Autobot spaceship had crashed sure had a lot of friggin' light about and plenty of crisp shadows. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:09, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I tried to find out if the lander bounced signals off the ''Columbia'' but my Google skills failed me. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:18, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm pretty sure the whole "Dark of the Moon", "dark on the rock" thing is figurative, to both describe the mystery on the Moon and NASA's real reason for traveling there, rather than literally "the ''Ark'' crashed on the dark side of the moon, and the dark side of the moon is a short walk from Tranquility Base." [http://science.howstuffworks.com/lunar-landing2.htm This article] suggests that ''Columbia'' served as the communications link between ''Eagle'' and Earth. Wish I could find a better article or source, but my google-fu is not great. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:50, 22 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Even taking that as figurative, the trailer shows the Earth close to the horizon, when it should be nearly directly overhead. It also appears to move between shots only a short time apart. [[User:JW|JW]] 06:55, 22 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Yea, it doesn't look like an actual error, except the movie makers wanted the Earth in every shot (I don't blame them). But the trailer doesn't make it clear that the ''Columbia'' is a communications link or anything like that so it is confusing. If it wasn't on the far side of the Moon, I don't see how they could have kept it secret. Anyone with a big enough telescope would be able to see it, I would think. At least observatories. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:19, 22 December 2010 (EST)
The term "Dark side of the moon" was a misnomer even before Transformers got hold of it. The dark side of the moon refers to the side of the moon that always faces away from Earth. But it gets just as much sunlight as the near side. It should rightly be called the FAR side of the moon.[[Special:Contributions/180.176.116.4|180.176.116.4]] 23:45, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

== MEGATRON IN DARK OF THE MOON ==
I have been looking around the internet about Transformers 3, and everywhere says that Megatron is returning for Transformers 3 as a Mack Titan Tanker Truck, I know that Michael Bay hasen't released any news yet on any Decepticons apart from Shockwave, but if Hasbro didn't release the pictures of the Megatron tanker truck toy, how the hell did they get on the internet, even Leader Class Ironhide pictures are around. Does anyone think that megatron should be added to the Decepticons?
Thanks Plo Koon 1
:It's most likely a stolen prototype from a factory, and NO, Megatron '''will not be added until Hasbro or Michael Bay or some other official source says he's in'''. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:42, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:Kindly go away and never return. This is all you do, come here once a movie is in production and either add stolen info, or rant on talk pages about how we should add stolen info, and frankly I am sick of it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:13, 27 December 2010 (EST)
::Why don't you go look up some more information and get adding to the page instead of waiting for Michael Bay's and Hasbro's precious information. {{unsigned|Plo Koon 1}}
:::Because we only use OFFICIAL information. If it doesn't come from Hasbro, Bay or another official source, it ISN'T information as far as we are concerned.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:45, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, that's a great idea, let's post every single thing anonymous people post on Wikipedia, that's the best way to do research. Or post about stolen toys, thieves are always the best source of info. And then we'll have to take it down, because it turns out to be wrong. Or get crap from Hasbro, because it's stolen. That'll work out great. This Wiki is interested in getting things ''right'', not ''first''. The policy and the reasons for it have been explained quite clearly. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:53, 27 December 2010 (EST)

== Ashton Kutcher ==

Just noticed, along with Ben Kingsley theres a spoof of the Heidi Montag audition by Ashton Kutcher. I can't put a link in though, as i have no idea how to.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 11:40, 20 January 2011 (EST)Burnout

Just paste it!—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:05, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== THE FIRST offical Images for DOTM Toys ==
Are these Officals right? http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2011/01/28/toy-fair-uk-images-of-starscream-and-ironhide/ If so then its time to add these pics to Starscream and Ironhide Pages and make the DOTM Toyline Page well that its if anybody here considers these officals—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 28 January 2011 (EST)
:Well, the article ''claims'' the pics are from Hasbro, but we better hold off until we're sure (as well as hold off on creating any 'MechTech' articles) - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:41, 28 January 2011 (EST)
::ASM would be the last site in the world to lie about that. They're official, and they were delivered to most every Transformers website. I wouldn't be surprised if we got them too, but I'm not [[User:Monzo|Monzo]], so I couldn't tell you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:48, 28 January 2011 (EST)
:::Yes, we received the images from Hasbro as well. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:23, 29 January 2011 (EST)
::::Thank You, Jesus, we finally got toy pics that aren't stolen prototypes! :D - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:19, 29 January 2011 (EST)

== Ratchet and Ironhide ==
i think we should add ratchet and Ironhide in the cast and character list sicne the 2 were in the trailer and the trailer like an Offical Source—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]

== Laserbeak (?) ==

A bird-robot was also in the trailer.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 19:51, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:Looked more dragon-y than bird-y to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:03, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::Either way, the wiki isn't much of a place for speculation so whoever it is is moot until we get an official toy listing or promotional render. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:07, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:::Indeed, Detour. It could be Laserbeak, or Buzzsaw, or something new. Could it be Laserbeak? Most likely, yes. However, like Detour said, TFwiki.net doesn't deal with "most likely". Be patient, folks; we'll find out soon enough (the movie will be out in five months and we might find out officially before then). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:40, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::::Whatever. If the toy we've seen resembling it is the same character, it must have two modes: condor mode and dragon mode. - [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 19:35, 13 March 2011 (EST)

The same character (or an identical one) in the game is confirmed as Laserbeak. Is that sufficient enough to list him as a film character?
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 2:58 PM, 27 March 2011 A.D.
:Confirmed where? By whom? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:45, 27 March 2011 (EDT)
::Well, it WAS on the page for the DOTM game, but it isn't anymore, so I'm guessing that was incorrect.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 5:04 PM, 27 March 2011 A.D.
:::I removed it from there as there was no source listed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:10, 27 March 2011 (EDT)

== New guys? ==

Just a question. From the Superbowl trailer you can see that there are some "already dead" guys. I mean Barricade°(here it isnt really certain), Long Haul and (desert) Brawl. Should these be added into the list of appeared characters, since they were'''officially revealed''' via trailer? --[[Special:Contributions/194.228.147.9|194.228.147.9]] 21:12, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:No. Just because they look like the old characters doesn't mean they are. More there's no reason to list nameless characters we know nothing about. Be patient. Plenty of time after the movie is out. We're in no rush.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:19, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::(That was not Barricade, but Sideways. Well, *a* Sideways.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:You recognized Long Haul and Brawl? You mean like how [[Grindor (ROTF)|we recognized Blackout in ROTF?]] --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 12:04, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:: Because of Hasbro's action figures, we knew that there was a Blackout lookalike named "Grindor" from the start. Until Hasbro reveals some alternate names for these guys, I think we can feel safe keeping them under the umbrella of their known names, like we did and do with ROTF's Constructicons. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:22, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: Long Haul and Brawl ''do'' have same-body-type buddies from the toyline--Payload and Tankor respectively. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 12:33, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:::: Yes, but all of the green Long Hauls are accounted for on Long Haul's page. This is just another green Long Haul, and we should treat it as such until we know differently. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:42, 20 February 2011 (EST)

== Crankcase, Ratchet, etc ==

Dudes, if we have a trailer and a Toy Fair, and we see vehicle modes that we know belong to movie characters, and we see those vehicle modes that belong to movie characters ''transform into the robot modes of said movie characters'' I really think we need to get beyond the "we pretend we don't know anything" schtick. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:59, 20 February 2011 (EST)
: Also, the whole "what if this is not the real Crankcase and the real Crankcase is elsewhere" is an argument that ''predicates'' on the idea that the "real" Crankcase is in the film. And if there IS no "real" Crankcase in the film, then this "generic" BECOMES the "real" Crankcase. Either way, he's in the damn film. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:07, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:: FurtherFURTHERmore, the fact that the counterargument has gone from "it's just an SUV" to "it's just a robot" to "it's just a robot mode that looks like Crankcase's" as this goes on just feels like this is a counterargument based not on facts but on obstinate reluctance. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:12, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: And to put a final nail in the coffin, there were several [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]s in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', but they were all accounted for on Long Haul's page as Long Haul. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:16, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: I think if this passes based on this argument, then everyone in charge of this site better remember this when others are putting up information using the same reasoning. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 15:23, 20 February 2011 (EST)

== New Chevy Beat/Spark 'Bots (?) ==

Nelson said that a Chevy Spark spotted on set was not Skids, but a ''new'' character.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:11, 25 February 2011 (EST)
:We'll get to it when '''''official information comes out'''''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:30, 25 February 2011 (EST)
::So, Nelson isn't a trustable source?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 17:19, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::There's literally not enough information to do anything with. What do you want, a page for ''Unnamed Chevy Spark character who might just be one of the Twins, we aren't sure yet''? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 17:46, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Those Sparks were seen in trailer, but I still don't believe non-appearance of the Twins being misinformation. Characters were said to be cut off from the film, but the vehicles not. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 9:24, 2 May 2011 (EST)
:::::If their vehicles appear, the characters are in the film. Please don't revert again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:31, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::CAJH, considering how much Bay lied about Megatron not coming back in ROTF, and his (and Nelson's) claims about the Twins not coming back in DOTM (despite all evidence to the contrary), we're better off including them based upon what we can actually see rather than they tell us. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:33, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

== Is Mirage really in DOTM??? ==

I saw that Mirage was added to the cast list (as of 11:09 pm EST on April 8th, 2011). Besides the Speed Star toy of Mirage, is there any actual evidence that the red Ferrari in DOTM is Mirage? I think the addition is a bit premature (I was about to undo the addition, but I thought I would play it safe). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:13, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
:We're not exactly sure yet, so leaving him off for now is probably for the best. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:28, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

==Brains==

Some believe that Brains might become the Einstein-Mercedes-bot, but I don't think so. Bay confirmed Brains being small in film too. What would you think that Einstein-bot be, if he's not Brains? --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 12:53, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:More than likely just an early head design for Wheeljack. But we'll know for sure when the movie's out or more promotional renders are revealed. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:00, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Brains is in the "Rising Storm" comic prequel. He's a tiny hatchling guy that Bumblebee and Sam escort. Wheeljack is a separate dude who looks like Wheeljack. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:23, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:::And if Wheeljack ever is that Mercedes-bot, it's very understandable that he would be different in film. Shockwave and Sentinel were too different in comic adaptations. And do not forget Mirage, though it's not officially confirmed, if he is the Ferrari-bot or not. And Brains we'll see in film looks definitely different than Brains we saw in comics.--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 14:28, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

== Darkside Moon ==

I am a fan of these two titles because they have that "crazy" factor to them. That said...

I notice there's exactly one dot in those there katakana. I don't suppose it's actually "Darkside Moon", eh? You see "Darkside" here and there, really. [[Special:Contributions/174.111.86.22|174.111.86.22]] 09:53, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:Maybe. could be. Anyone else think it should be changed to "Darkside Moon" as opposed to the "Dark Side Moon" title that I originally wrote? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:04, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== Trailer ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-trailer-172021/ It also seems that Simmons lost a leg, and there are many Crankcases--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 19:46, 28 April 2011 (EDT)
:I think he broke his leg, but anyway people can see the video for themselves so we don't need to mention stuff in it here. If you want to discuss the content of the video, you should take it to a forum. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:48, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== Washington Post thing ==

That video is from 2010. Why did you date it April 30, 2011? Also, it's probably too plot point spoilery for us to use. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:36, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== Avon sweepstakes ==

Looks like Avon's having a contest to meet Patrick Dempsey at the premier of DotM. Link [http://www.avon.com/PatrickDempsey here]. Worth mentioning on the page? (Started last week if you want to add this to the timeline) -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 09:13, 3 May 2011 (EDT)
:I personally don't think it should be added to the ''film'' article of the DOTM franchise, but this is unique in that Avon is having this contest without (as far as I know) having any merchandise tie-ins. Perhaps it could be noted on the main DOTM franchise article page as well as on the Patrick Demsey article. Either way, this is note-worthy. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:28, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

== Hatchet is he,in the film? ==

Is it just me or should we add him because somebody add the "more info will pop up in July,1,2011" box-thing,just sayin' - [[User:Dinodigger97|Dinodigger97]],May-4-2011
:If you mean Ratchet, he is already in the cast list. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:33, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
::Actually, there's a new Decepticon named [[Hatchet]], so I think that's who he meant. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:05, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
:::D'oh! Sorry, hard to keep up with all these new dudes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
::::To answer your question Dinodigger97, no, we don't know. I'm not sure why Hatchet's article has a fiction section already, as there has been no indication that he is in the movie. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:34, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

== Amazon comic spoilers ==

Could we please not get all excited about the spoiled comic adaptation pages on Amazon and rush off to the wiki? I think CAJH even cited Alientraveller's edits with a flickr account (with, I presume, pages of the comic). I wasn't about to spoil myself to look, so I just reverted everything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:33, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:For that matter, the comic adaptations of the movie are usually done from earlier versions of the script, and aren't guaranteed to reflect the movie itself. If we ''must'' document every little nugget, those spoilers would more properly go on the comic adaptation's page.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:42, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry guys, I concur as Amazon.com has apparently removed those pages (and TFW followed suit). Just a shame I still can't find a source to confirm the name of Shockwave's pet, or Dempsey's character for this page. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:45, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::... did you just mention a spoiler? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:22, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Maybe the comic adaptation has little differences with the film. But some elements like rest of the characters can't be different. But ok then. Let's wait at least until the release date. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 19:43, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Why couldn't the characters be different? Characters might appear in fight scenes in the comic with names and personalities yet be represented in the film only by an indistinguishable mass of duplicates of someone else. Thus, the [[Dread (subgroup)|Dreads]] in the movie might all be [[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]] doppelgangers but [[Hatchet]] might appear in the comic. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:57, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Anyway, my main point for the revert was that the pages of the comics were apparently chock full of spoilers that were not supposed to be revealed yet (hence sites like TFW having to remove their news post). And even if Hasbro/Bay/Paramount didn't care (except they do), the wiki has a policy of avoiding overt spoilers for fiction until the release date. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:12, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

== Dreads ==

Not trying to start a discussion with anybody, just pointing out: We already saw that there's a Black Dodge Charger, who's NOT Barricade, also we've seen that Hatchet is a Dread, and he has three other chances of appearing --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 14:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
:What? Seen what? Why are you pointing this out here? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:34, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
::If you have something against this post, I have no problem in erasing it --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 18:06, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

== Just wondering... ==

The 2007 TF film article used quotes from the 1986 movie, should I replace those with one of the prequels of Star Wars. (or, to be more specific, Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith) --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:27, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: Do not alter the captions on the 2007 film article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:29, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Or maybe other stuff from Ep 4. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:30, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

At Walky: OK, I ''will'' [Not alter the quotes].

But still, quite stupid to quote the 1986 movie. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:34, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: I've got an idea. Call our efforts stupid one more time and you can have a quite stupid ban. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:39, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== June 28 release? ==

I followed the link given for the release date, and that dateline site says it's coming out June 2'''9''', not 28. Is there something somewhere that suggests it's coming out on Tuesday instead? [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 18:02, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== Capone's AICN Review ==
Any thoughts regarding the first review of the movie?[[User:Ryantherebel|Ryantherebel]] 16:02, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== Foreign names ==
Serbian name for Dark of the Moon is: Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon, the only one with the "accurate" translation yet. Put it on the page in the Foreign names.[[User:DarkCon|DarkCon]] 12:57, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
:That's the translation, but what is it in actual Serbian?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:29, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
:Transformers 3: Tama Meseca--[[User:DarkCon|DarkCon]] 20:04, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

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