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Deathsaurus (G1)

2008-04-02T09:20:59Z

Destron Commander: /* Trivia */

:''Deathsaurus is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Victory]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Deathsaurus1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Spell it right or you're kickbanned, buster.]]

'''Deathsaurus''' is a savage and cruel dictator, yet he's oddly fond of [[human]] children.

The Decepticon [[Emperor of Destruction]], he bears a bitter grudge against [[Autobot]] [[Supreme Commander]], [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]. He prefers to lead his warriors from a distance, though engages in battle when necessary. Much like a Bond villain, he'll gladly tell you his plan before leaving you unsupervised in a delayed-result death trap. That said, he is ferociously powerful, and has come disturbingly close to victory on several occasions. He even pulled the trigger in an attack that would have killed a helpless Star Saber, only to find he'd transfered too much energy to his fortress and the damn gun didn't work. The gun's designer was later found impaled on a church spire.

He commands the [[Decepticon Space City]]. Deathsaurus is a [[Breastforce]] warrior, meaning he has two detachable breastplates which can transform into the [[Tigerbreast]] and [[Eaglebreast]], respectively.

:''Japanese name'': '''Deszaras''' (デスザラス de-su-za-ra-su)
:''English-Malay dub name'': '''Deathsanras'''

==Fiction==
===''Victory'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Takeshi Aono]] (Japanese)

Years ago, striving to become the Decepticons' new [[Emperor of Destruction]], Deathsaurus created a gigantic battle fortress capable of destroying planets, but an attack by the young [[Autobot]] commander [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] saw the fortress de-powered and trapped within a region of space known as the [[Dark Nebula]]. This began the enmity between Star Saber and Deathsaurus, and as both combatants rose through the ranks of their respective armies, Deathsaurus vowed to eventually liberate his fortress and use it to destroy Star Saber.

[[Image:Deszaras1.jpg|left|thumb|Only way I could be more evil would be with a twisty [[Facial hair|mustache]].]]

After the conclusion of the [[Masterforce|Masterforce war]] on Earth, Deathsaurus set his sights on the planet's vast energy sources, and, from his command post on the Decepticons' starcraft the [[Thunder Arrow]], he directed his troops, the [[Breastforce]] and [[Dinoforce]] in attacks on the planet. Deathsaurus rarely dirtied his own hands, entering battle only rarely, and only when there was a chance that he could confront Star Saber directly, such as there was when he led the Breastforce in raiding the electrical energy of American subway systems. This led him to be the object of great contempt from Breastforce sub-leader [[Leozack]], who schemed against Deathsaurus, but systematically failed to succeed in his numerous ploys, either as a result of his own incompetence or the counter-scheming of his subordinate, [[Hellbat]], who sought to overthrow both him and Deathsaurus. Deathsaurus was no fool, however, and remained perpetually aware of Leozack's plans - when the time came, he thrashed the Breastforcer in combat and forced him to swear utter loyalty to him.

[[Image:DeathsaurusAnime1.jpg|right|thumb|Form Blazing Sword!]]

While Star Saber was on the planet [[Micro]], Deathsaurus returned to the Dark Nebula to investigate the possibility of reactivating his fortress; he did not have enough energy, but was at least able to confirm that the fortress was in functional order and could be reactivated when the time came. Unfortunately for him, having expended what energy he had to confirm this, he was unable to finish Star Saber when he engaged him in battle in space on the return trip. Later, back on Earth, Deathsaurus lured Star Saber into a trap in the desert, where he attacked with the power of the Living Metal-Destroying Cannon.

The weapon almost finished Star Saber off until [[Ginrai|God Ginrai]] intervened and was left at death's door instead, but when he was reconstructed as [[Victory Leo]] and combined with Star Saber to form [[Victory Saber]], they were able to thwart Deathsaurus's plan to bombard Earth with missiles.

[[Image:Deszaras2.jpg|left|thumb|What is he overcompensating for, we wonder.]]

Discovering that the sunken continent of [[Atlantis]] contained enough raw energy to re-energize his fortress, Deathsaurus ransacked the ancient ruins and abandoned the Dinosaur Force to their fate as the Thunder Arrow shot off into space to fulfill his evil plan. With the fortress active and headed directly for Earth, even Victory Saber could not stand up to its power, but a resentful Dinosaur Force supplied information on the fortress's weak spot to Star Saber's adopted human son, [[Jean Minakaze|Jean]], who used his own [[Illumina II|personal mech]] to enter the fortress and strike at this vulnerability. As he did so, Deathsaurus and Star Saber engaged in a vicious battle, during which Deathsaurus lost an eye, and was eventually stopped when Star Saber broke his sword off in the villain's chest. Gushing fuel and fluid, Deathsaurus vowed to have the last laugh as he set the crippled fortress on a collision course with Earth and blew himself out an airlock, vowing to return again and again. But, as his body drifted off into space, no sign of life was visible from the conquered emperor. Victory Saber subsequently destroyed the fortress, but Deathsaurus was not heard from again.

===''Victory'' manga===
[[Image:Kingsaurus.jpg|right|thumb|The mighty King Zaras. Mighty.]]

As a parallel to Star Saber's adoption of [[Jean Minakaze|Jean]], Deathsaurus had a "son" of his own, a human boy named [[Solon Kitakaze]]. Solon's mother was killed during a Decepticon attack on Earth, and Deathsaurus "adopted" the boy, turning him into a cyborg and raising him to believe that he was his son. Solon had frequent clashes with Jean, whose school he began attending, which often degenerated into "my dad can beat up your dad"-style arguments as their "fathers" battled. At one point, Deathsaurus even attempted to bribe Jean into joining the Decepticons with toys, games, candy and cash.

Solon had his own battle armour and often rode Deathsaurus's Breastars as steeds, but when Victory Leo and Star Saber merged into Victory Saber, Deathsaurus sought a way to increase his own power in a similar fashion and crafted a Transformer-sized mech for Solon named [[King Solon]], with which he was able to combine, forming [[King Zaras]]. However, in the midst of this battle, Solon discovered the truth about his mother, and his distraction allowed Victory Saber to destroy the King Solon mecha. Deathsaurus fled, abandoning Solon, who accepted his earthly heritage and joined the Autobots.

During the final battle, as Deathsaurus's fortress attacks the Earth, it is he who battles Star Saber in space ''(unlike the animated series, in which Liokaiser takes this role)''. Leozack, then, is able to take his treachery to the ultimate extreme by turning the fortress's power on Deathsaurus, and Deathsaurus cripples the craft with his cannon as Star Saber takes Leozack down. Then, the wounded Deathsaurus reveals the true reason he has quested to liberate the fortress from the Dark Nebula{{m-}}it is home to the Decepticons' families and civilians. As the shocked Autobots discover this, they meet Deathsaurus's wife, [[Esmeryl]] and Deathsaurus and Star Saber then make peace, shaking hands and vowing to work together for the betterment of the Transformer race.

===Descent into Evil===
[[Image:Deathsaurustimelines.jpg|left|thumb|Deathsaurus orchestrates the rise of a New Decepticon Empire, or NAMBLA.]]

Using a clone lab on [[Ceti Alpha Seven]], Deathsaurus wished to revive the fading [[Decepticon Empire]] with a vast [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] army. After the first batch of [[Virulent Clone|clones]] was completed, his operation was interrupted by a team of [[Autobot]] commandos under the command of [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]. Deathsaurus overpowered and captured the first wave himself, and soon faced Ironhide one-on-one, while [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] attempted to rescue the fallen Autobots. Due to the assistance of Tripredacus Agent [[Flamewar]], these two were defeated and captured as well.

They woke up bound inside Deathsaurus' clone lab. The Emperor of Destruction appeared on a television screen, declaring that his use for the lab was completed and was prepared to detonate it remotely with the Autobots inside. Unfortunately for Deathsaurus, the Autobot espionage agent [[Ricochet (Descent into Evil)|Ricochet]] not only freed the Autobots before the explosion occurred, but also seeded the remaining clones with a virus, leaving Deathsaurus with nothing to show for his work.

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==Toys==
===Victory===
* '''Deszaras''' (1989)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-336'''

: The original Deathsaurus toy transformed into a nondescript dragon lizard thing with wings (or giant mutant space chicken) that doesn't really look like anything except ugly. His chest compartment contained two Breastforce components, Tigerbreast and Eaglebreast that transform into their animal namesakes, and can further transform into Targetmaster-style gun modes. Unusually for post-Generation 1 toys, he has [[die-cast]]-metal feet in beast mode.

: In robot mode, both of his breast components can be slotted inside his spring-loaded chest to form his elaborate torso armor. He is armed with a light blue laser rifle (that is considerably more threatening in the television series), and a large shield constructed out of his tail.

===Timelines===
* '''Descent into Evil''' (multi-pack, 2005)

[[Image:Deathsaurusbotcontoy.jpg|left|thumb|If you squint, he could still be [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]].]]

: Part of the [[BotCon 2005]] preregistrant "Descent into Evil" boxset, Deathsaurus was a blue and black [[retool]] of ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]].

[[Image:Deathsauruspin.jpg|right|thumb|75px|If you squint, maybe you need glasses.]]

His head was a new sculpt based on Deathsaurus's appearance in the ''Victory'' anime (though Deathsaurus's face seems to be copied from Megatron's). Deathsaurus's mold was originally a ten-changer, though the "gargoyle"/bat mode was neutered for this release due to the dropping of the bat snout piece. His tail-piece was removed for in-box storage.

: The first 100 BotCon 2005 Primus-package preregistrants received an exclusive Deathsaurus pin.

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==Merchandise==
===Super Figure Collection===
* '''Deszaras''' (2002)
[[Image:SFCAct7Deszaras.jpg|right|thumb|100px|It was cold. I dressed in layers.]]

: Deathsaurus was released in Act 7 of the Takara [[Super Collection Figure]] line as a non-transforming PVC with a funky pose and limited posability. Two pieces came per case of 12 PVCs, one in full-color and one in pewter-finish.

: A limited chase version (shown here) features his inner Breastforce member, Eaglebreast, rather than the normal version's Tigerbreast.

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==Trivia==
*Deathsaurus's name is the source of a long-lasting argument. The phonetic Japanese reading of the name is: "De-su-za-ra-su". This is represented in English on his toy packaging and tech specs as "Deszaras." English-speaking fans would long debate the "proper" romanisation of the name, interpreting it as Deszaras, Deathzaras, Deathsaurus, Death Czarus, Def Zarce, Deaths 'R' Us, Debt Source, Darth Sass, Death's Arse and god knows what else. "Deathsaurus" had a tendency to be the most popular and well-known (on account of it actually ''meaning'' something), which led to it being used on the character's first official Western toy, making it his official American name. However, it is unlikely that this was supposed to be the actual name for the character—were his name "saurus", then it would be rendered as "sa-u-ru-su" or "za-u-ru-su" in Japanese, rather than "za-ra-su"—and that his name was genuinely intended to be the word, "Deszaras", which resembles the pattern for naming of [[Wikipedia:Kaiju|Kaiju]] monsters (see below). The character appears with the "Deszaras" name on the Region 2 ''Transformers: Victory'' DVD boxset.

:Anyway, if you plan on insisting his name is "Deszaras", please learn to spell it.

*While often called a dragon or occasionally a griffin (or a giant chicken), Deathsaurus is most likely styled after traditional Japanese "kaiju", such as [[Godzilla]] or Rodan. Hence, the Kaiju-esque name, "Deszaras".

*His Japanese name (Deszaras) is spelled really closely to the Hungarian phrase for "so shitty" and also the equivalent to "bugger me", which in turn, if taken literally, means "to crap oneself in the pants". Whichever phrase we look at, the incident nevertheless caused a lot of joy in the Hungarian fan community.

*In Dreamwave's [[The Route of All Evil|''Generation One'' #10]], Deathsaurus was seen as a statue representing an ancient transformer, together with [[Dai Atlas]].

* The original Deathsaurus mold was redecoed into the non-living "Red Geist" mech for [[Takara]]'s ''Brave of Legend Da Garn'' toyline, which lacked the Eaglebreast partner. Although the character design in the television show for the line was significantly modified from that of Deathsaurus, including replacing Tigerbreast's tiger mode with a jet mode, the Red Geist toy itself was not retooled.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1989/Destron/Deathsaurus/deathsaurus.htm Deathsaurus on TFU.info]

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Shrapnel (G1)

2008-04-02T09:05:42Z

Destron Commander: /* Robot Heroes */

{{disambig2|the Generation 1 Insecticon|the ''Cybertron'' character|Shrapnel (Cybertron)}}

:''Shrapnel is a [[Decepticon]] [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]], family.''

[[Image:Shrapnelg1.jpg|right|thumb|300px|My kingdom for better electrical insulation... insulation.]]

The eccentric way in which '''Shrapnel''' parses his dialogue may seem endearing at first, first. Others are soon to discover that his seemingly benign tic is merely the gateway to a frighteningly twisted and perverse mind, even for a Decepticon, Decepticon. A master of electricity, his dark desires put this skill to use on his victims, victims. Nothing delights him more than to see how they squirm from his touch, touch.

:''French-Canadian name'': '''Éclats D'Obus'''<br>
:''Italian name'': '''Rantrox'''<br>
:''Japanese name'': '''Sharpnel'''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
[[Image:ShrapnelG1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Taste the LIGHTNING! Lightning.]]
:''Voice actor:'' [[Hal Rayle]] (US), [[Masashi Ebara]] (Japan)

The mercenary Insecticons landed on earth in their own space pod before the Ark crashed to [[Earth]]. ''(It is unclear whether this pod was launched from the [[Nemesis]] or not, as the dialogue seems to suggest maybe it was, but the Insecticons and Megatron's Decepticons do not seem to know each other.)'' Their pod crashed into the region that would become known as "Demon Swamp" and their computers adapted them to transform into insects and eat organic food to survive. Though they were largely communal, Shrapnel was a leader among then, usually alternating with [[Bombshell]] ([[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] was out of luck). The "Insecticons" apparently lived in the swamp for millions of years until discovered by Megatron's Decepticons. They form an uneasy alliance with Megatron, never coming fully under his command but working with the Decepticons when they could be convinced there was something (usually food) in it for them. {{storylink|A Plague of Insecticons}}

The Insecticons were able to create vast clone armies of themselves at will, a formidable ability that my have been the reason they were able to maintain their autonomy from Megatron. They would use this ability once to create the [[Insecticon Army]] which early devastated the planet Earth but they were destroyed by the [[Morphobots]]. {{storylink|Quest for Survival}} Even before this, they were shown to be very dupliticious and often betrayed Megatron or disobeyed him.

During the [[Combaticons]] attempt at destroying Earth by sending it into the sun, the Insecticons were seen in large numbers, numbers, again and Shrapnel was responsible for taking apart the [[Space Bridge]] controls. He would later be tracked, tracked, by the combined Autobots and Decepticons after which he relinquished the controls. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

Shrapnel along with his Insecticon colleagues [[Battle of Autobot City|attacked]] [[Autobot City]] on Earth where he was badly damaged and dumped into space from [[Astrotrain]]. His floating body would be reformated by [[Unicron]] into one of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s minions. Funny thing is, that didn't stop him (or any other Insecticons) from showing up in later episodes, or even later on in the Transformers movie. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie|The Transformers movie}}

====Beast Wars====
While temporarily out of his mind, the Predacon [[Waspinator]] believed himself to actually be Shrapnel, and adopted his mannerisms and speech pattern, pattern. {{storylink|Dark Designs}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===

Shrapnel was one of the top lieutenants of Lord [[Straxus]] at [[Darkmount]] on Cybertron. Despite that, Straxus was willing to send him on a suicidal janitorial mission once, but Shrapnel managed to talk his way out of it. He was later reconfigured as an Insecticon, and travelled to Earth to serve under Megatron, then Shockwave, Ratbat, possibly Scorponok, Bludgeon, Megatron again...all while doing absolutely nothing of note besides being uncommonly easy to spot in crowd shots.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
One time [[Slag]] sucker-punched him so hard, Shrapnel's colors went wrong. {{storylink|The War Within: The Dark Ages}}

Shrapnel was part of a unit sent to Earth by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] to guide the planet's development and prepare it for invasion. They were beaten up by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] on arrival, then played dead until [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] got bored and wandered off. Millions of years later, they were discovered by both the [[EDC]] and Autobots after kidnapping an entire town. Shrapnel was last seen getting a building dropped on him by [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]].

===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs the Transformers'' comics continuity===
As part of [[Serpent O.R.]]'s forces, Shrapnel defended the newly unified Decepticon army's base against a combined Autobot/[[G.I. Joe]] strike force. {{storylink|The Art of War, Part 5}}

===IDW ''[[Hearts of Steel]]'' continuity===
Shrapnel, Kickback, and Bombshell robbed a train carrying cash and bullion from the Denver Mint, on [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s orders. They delivered the stolen property to Starscream and [[Tobias Muldoon]] the following morning.

Shrapnel forms one end of the "Insectrain" (as it is called in the concept art); the back end, in its one appearance. He has huge scissor blades mounted to destroy other trains on the railway. He speaks perfectly normally. {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 2}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Shrapnel''' (Insecticon, 1985)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''42'''

[[Image:G1Shrapnel_toy.jpg|right|thumb|180px|I don't have two left hands, hands.]]

: Shrapnel transforms into a robotic stag beetle. He doesn't do a whole lot more than that. Like the other Insecticons, he has a variation on his chromed parts, but this one is on his gun. Some Shrapels have "fins" on the very back-end of the rifle and a more detailed main barrel, while others (obviously) lack those details. The extra-detail versions appear to be a later run.

: In Japan, Shrapnel and the other Insecticons were "re-released" as mail-order items from 1987 through 1988. They each cost 880 yen (their normal retail price) and two [[robot points]].

: This mold was used to make the [[Zaptrap]] drones.

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*'''Insectrons''' ("Bookbox" multi-pack, 2004)
:''Japanese ID number'': '''16''' (full set)

: Shrapnel was released as part of the Japanese [[Transformers Collection]] series in a set with [[Bombshell]] and [[Kickback]]. This set also included three [[energon cube]] accessories that fit inside their chest compartments.

: The Shrapnel in this set has the lower-detail rifle, probably in order to keep it closer to the original-original release, particularly for the redeco.

===Merchandise===
*'''Shrapnel''' (Decoy, 1987)

: Shrapnel was one of the Decepticon [[Decoy]]s packed in with smaller carded ''Transformers'' toys. While the normal purple version could come on any Decepticon toy, the rarer red version was available ''only'' on [[Throttlebot]] cards and only for a short while before the switch to purple.

*'''Destron Hero Collection-22 Set''' (Decoy multi-pack, 1987)

: The entire run of twenty-two Decepticon Decoys were sold as a single boxed set in Japan, only in purple.

====Robot Heroes====
*'''Rodimus Vs. Insecticon''' (2007)

[[Image:G1_RobotHeroes_RodimusVsInsecticon.jpg|thumb|right|The world's cutest psycho, psycho]]

: As part of the [[Robot Heroes]] line of PVC figurines, "Insecticon" (so named because Hasbro was unable to acquire the [[trademark]] to "Shrapnel") is a two-inch tall soft-plastic figurine in an adorable "super-deformed" style. He has swivels at the shoulders and neck.

: "Insecticon" is currently only available in a two-pack with fellow trademark-loss refugee [[Hot Rod|Rodimus]].

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==Trivia==
* Shrapnel{{m-}}like the other Insecticons{{m-}}was originally a ''[[Diaclone]]'' "Waruder" evil-alien-piloted mech in different colors...which were eventually used when the trio were [[redeco]]ed for [[e-Hobby]] release. Specifically, Shrapnel was the Kuwagattler (or Kuwagatra) mecha. This is also the genesis of those opening chest compartments.
* In the cartoon, Shrapnel was often shown as something of a leader among the Insecticons, while [[Venom]] is the official leader in other portions of Generation 1.
* Shrapnel, along with [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], had his gender switched from male to female in the French dub of ''Transformers: The Movie''. It is unknown why this change was effected, but it's most likely because of the character's high-pitched voice. The change did not happen in the cartoon, as it had used a different dubbing team from the movie. The change is especially ironic, given that only male stag beetles have the large pincers of Shrapnel's alt-mode.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Shrapnel/shrapnel.htm Shrapnel at TFU.info]

* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Shrapnel Shrapnel's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Venom (G1)

2008-04-02T09:02:47Z

Destron Commander: /* Trivia */

{{disambig3|Venom}}

:''Venom is a [[Decepticon]] [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:G1Venom_boxart.jpg|right|thumb|300px| It may ''seem'' like he's just shaking his fist, but in reality his forehead is giving you the finger.]]

'''Venom''' is the official leader of the [[Insecticons]], but he's so paranoid about one of the others trying to usurp his position that he does more damage to his own standing among them than most of the plots they might hatch against him. He trusts none of them and suspects everyone of being after his place. He won't hesitate to utilize his manipulative and destructive psychological warfare techniques on those under him to stay in power.

==Fiction==
===Marvel UK Comics continuity===
Venom and his teammates in the elite [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] were sent to aid the [[Wreckers]] against the team of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. Despite the Mayhems' reputation, however, they were no match for their opponents, and Venom was slain by Galvatron shortly after the battle began. Twice.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
8.2 million years ago, Venom participated in [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s assault on [[Iacon]]. {{storylink|The War Within, Part 3}} He presumably retreated with the rest of the Decepticons when [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] activated the planetary engines, devastating the city.

After the fragmentation of the Decepticon forces following Megatron's seeming destruction in a [[space bridge]] accident, Venom joined [[Ratbat]]'s [[Ultracon]]s. He accompanied Ratbat and fellow Ultracons [[Chop Shop]] and [[Ransack (G1)|Ransack]] on a mission to the [[Tagan Heights]], where they unleashed the deadly [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] on the [[Wreckers]]. Capturing the Wreckers' leader [[Springer]], the Ultracons were prevented from executing him when Devastator's battle with [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] raged out of control. {{storylink|The Dark Ages, Part 2}} In the chaos that ensued, Venom and his allies escaped, leaving Devastator behind. {{storylink|The Dark Ages, Part 3}}

Later, Venom, [[Chop Shop]], and [[Barrage (Decepticon)|Barrage]] were involved in an altercation with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Blaster]], and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. Venom also accompanied his leader to the [[Autobot]]/Decepticon peace ceremony at [[Tyger Pax]]. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath, Part 1}}

Venom, along with Barrage, Chop Shop, and Ransack, remained on Cybertron following the departure of the [[Ark]] and the [[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]. The planet's chronic [[energon]] shortage reduced them to a vampiric existence, forcing them to capture [[Micromasters]] and drain them of their fuel. While pursuing [[Falcon]] and [[Flanker]] in the [[Wastelands]], they ran into the middle of a conflict between the [[Hot Rod Patrol]] and [[Race Track Patrol]]. {{storylink|Destined For Nothing}}

After devouring Falcon they soon set upon the other Micromasters, but were driven back by the timely arrival of [[Groundshaker]], who left with the Hot Rod Patrol. The subsequent arrival of Shockwave prevented them from devouring the Race Track Patrol, but Shockwave did surreptitiously toss them Flanker as a snack once the others had left. {{storylink|The Gray Race}} The Insecticons subsequently abducted the Race Track Patrol and several other Micromasters from [[Little Iacon]], in an attempt to ferret out the Hot Rod Patrol and gain some new recruits in the process. He berated Chop Shop after he accidentally snatched [[Road Hugger (Decepticon)|Road Hugger]], accusing him of trying to undermine the mission. As he attempted to persuade his captives to join the Decepticons, he ordered Barrage to blast [[Blaze Master]] as a show of force. Taking his captives and recruits back to Decepticon HQ, Venom passed along a communique from Shockwave (actually a disguised [[Skystalker]]) to [[Barricade (G1)|Barricade]] and his team-mates, summoning them to his quarters. {{storylink|Recipe For Hate}} While attempting to stop an invasion force of Micromasters from freeing their comrades, Venom was skewered by a revived Blaze Master. {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution}}

===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs the Transformers'' comics continuity===
As part of [[Serpent O.R.]]'s forces, Venom defended the newly unified Decepticon army's base against a combined Autobot/[[G.I. Joe]] strike force. During the battle, he and Barrage were pounded on by [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] and [[Storm Shadow]]. {{storylink|The Art of War, Part 5}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Venom''' (Deluxe Insecticon, 1985)

: Venom transforms into a robotic [[wikipedia:cicada|cicada]]. He comes with a small blaster and an axe, and is one of the few Deluxe Insecticons whose arms actually let him aim either in any useful manner.

==Trivia==

* Venom, like all of the Deluxe Insecticons, was originally designed by Takatoku Toys for the '''''Armored Insect Battalion Beetras''''' toyline (Nihongo: 機甲虫隊ビートラス). Takatoku Toys went out of business before the end of the Beetras line and their assets were purchased by fellow Japanese toymaker Bandai. Bandai licensed Takatoku's Beetras molds (alongside toys from '''''Special Armored Battalion Dorvack''''' and '''''Super Dimensional Fortress Macross''''') to Hasbro in 1985 to make the Deluxe Insecticons.

* Venom's mold was originally released as the Beetras toy named '''''Beet Zeguna'''''.

* Neither Venom nor the rest of the Deluxe Insecticons ever appeared in an episode of the original Transformers cartoon series. As none of the Deluxe Insecticons were based on toys owned by Takara, there is little likelihood that they will ever be reissued by TakaraTomy or Hasbro.

* In the cartoon, where Venom did not appear, the Insecticons appeared to be rather communal in leadership, though [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] was often shown in a leadership position. Venom has been keeping an eye on Shrapnel ever since.

* Real [[Wikipedia:Cicada|cicadas]] have no venom. They don't even bite or sting. They're just noisy.

* Venom has shown no evidence in any fiction of [[wikipedia:Venom (comics)|a desire to eat your brains]].

==External links==
*[http://tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Venom/venom.htm Venom at TFU.info]

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Scarlett

2008-03-06T09:48:29Z

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:''Scarlett is a [[human]] character from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Scarlett.jpg|right|thumb|250px|SWF, looking for SBM ''(Single Black-wearing Male)'', must be ninja, mute is a plus.]]

Shana O'Hara, aka '''Scarlett''', a crossbow-toting southern belle with a history in martial arts, is a prominent member of the [[G.I. Joe]] team. She usually has a thing for the enigmatic ninja warrior [[Snake-Eyes]].

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====''G.I. Joe Meet the Transformers''====
[[Image:Scarlettmarvel.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Not the safest place to keep a grappling hook.]]
Scarlett and several other Joes were overseeing a test of [[Power Station Alpha]], which was interrupted by the appearance of a giant transforming robot. After [[Bumblebee (G1)|the Transformer]] was destroyed, it was followed by a much larger robot which called itself [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. G.I. Joe's forces were overwhelmed by Superion, so Scarlett called for backup.

The Transformer they destroyed was eventually determined to be their friend! Scarlett stood nearby while [[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]] attempted to rebuild him. As the [[Autobot]] [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] arrived to help, it was announced that [[Cobra]] would be teaming up with G.I. Joe and the Autobots against the [[Decepticon]]s to keep them from destroying the world with Power Station Alpha. The newly rebuilt Transformer, now named [[Goldbug]], escorted Scarlett and the [[Baroness]] to Power Station Alpha with the intention of placing detonators inside. Without G.I. Joe's consent, Baroness set the timers prematurely, much to Scarlett's frustration.

====''G.I. Joe Starring Snake-eyes''/''Generation 2''====
[[Image:Scarlettg2.jpg|right|thumb|100px|"...Got to stop pretending this is a ninja outfit..."]]
While Scarlett was pretending to have defected to [[Cobra]], Snake-Eyes was forced to stab her to convince the terrorist organization of her new allegiance. While none of her vitals were damaged, she was nevertheless hospitalized at the Cobra's castle fortress, where Cobra scientist [[Doctor Biggles-Jones]] confronted her about her true intentions.

Just as Dr. Biggles-Jones had revealed that she too was a double agent, the newly rebuilt-by-Cobra [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] snatched her away, wishing to experiment on the scientist's brain. Scarlett, despite her wounds, fought her way out of the Cobra compound and confronted Megatron. Her audacious ultimatum was cut short when a small group of Autobots sent by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]], [[Brawn]], [[Chase]], [[Override (G1)|Override]] and [[Steeljaw]]) arrived to attack Megatron. While the large-scale battle raged, Scarlett used the opportunity to attack [[Cobra Commander]]. A save by Snake-Eyes reunited the pair.

With all of the Autobots destroyed (minus [[Skydive (G1)|Skydive]]), Megatron stole the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] with Dr. Biggles-Jones still in tow. It was Skydive and [[Spike Witwicky]] who managed to sneak aboard and bring the doctor home, though at the expense of Witwicky's life. Returned to safety, Dr. Biggles-Jones greeted Scarlett with a much-needed hug.
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===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs Transformers'' comics continuity===
When [[Cobra]] unearthed and reprogrammed the dormant Transformers aboard the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and used them to take over the United States government, Scarlett was among the members of G.I. Joe, the anti-terrorist force created to stop them. The initial attack cost Snake-Eyes not only his voice and face, but also his family, which was nearby. Scarlett learned of Snake-Eyes loss from [[Doc]] and wondered how he could go on after suffering through so much in one day. Her first duty as part of G.I. Joe was to guard the [[SPS Center]] from an attack by Cobra's commandeered Transformers. The attack came, overwhelming and surrounding Scarlett's group until they were rescued by the free agents [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]. A final raid on [[Cobra Island]] by the combined G.I. Joe and Autobot forces prevented not only Cobra from taking over the world, but also a government-launched warhead from nuking the island, which would have subsequently ignited the island's [[energon]], cracking the planet in two.

Two years later, Scarlett was part of a G.I. Joe assault team sent to a warehouse in [[Boston]] to stop an international arms ring affiliated with the [[Dreadnoks]] from selling Cybertronian technology on the black market. The Dreadnoks, now augmented with cybernetic attack limbs, were apprehended.

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===Dreamwave ''Transformers vs G.I. Joe'' comics continuity===

==External links==
*[http://www.yojoe.com/action/82/scarlett.shtml Scarlett at YoJoe.com]
*[[w:c:gijoe:Scarlett|Scarlett at Joepedia]]

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Sentinel Prime (G1)

2008-03-01T09:16:55Z

Destron Commander: /* IDW comics continuity */

{{disambig3|Sentinel Prime}}

:''Sentinel Prime was an [[Autobot]] leader in several portions of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].

'''Sentinel Prime''' was [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] immediate predecessor as [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]].

''(His physical appearance and attitude toward war vary between continuities, though his color scheme has stayed surprisingly consistent. See below:)''

==Fiction==

===Marvel Comics continuity===

[[Image:Sentinel prime lou.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Well, shoot, who wants the Matrix?]]

Sentinel Prime is mentioned frequently in the recitation of Primes before Optimus, but little or nothing is known of him.

:''(Note: The retelling of [[Unicron|Unicron's]] origin in the UK comics included a brief glimpse of a dying Matrix bearer passing the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to Optimus Prime. However, as he is unnamed, the only way we can presume this being is Sentinel Prime is because, as we are told later, Sentinel Prime was the leader before Optimus. See image to the left.)''

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

:'' Sentinel Prime's biggest shortcoming is that he leads with his head, a peacetime leader in a time of war. His successor, Optimus Prime, leads with his heart, backed by his fists— a much more suitable combination.''

Sentinel Prime was Autobot leader for the first 500,000 years of the [[Great War]]. More physically massive than Optimus Prime, Sentinel Prime's armor was made of trithyllium alloy impregnated with irradiated carbon fibers, unbreakable short of a precisely-aimed point-blank shot.

Sentinel Prime's primary weapons were his swiveling shoulder cannons, capable of firing a variety of specialized payloads including concussive and shrapnel-needle shells, and gyro-inhibiting and magnetic inducer shells. (Disruptive warheads which foul an opponent's systems.) He was also armed with a solar-energy rifle and an energon-charged sword.

Sentinel Prime used an [[electro-disrupter]], a device capable of projecting several copies of his image, to disorient his opponents in battle. When interrupted, electro-disrupter images de-rez, leaving a visible path back to the real projector. Because using direct attacks would reveal which image was the real Sentinel Prime, he must limit himself to indirect weapons like shrapnel shells when using it.

Sentinel Prime's only physical weakness was his shoulder-cannons. A direct hit down their barrel could cause the ammunition inside to explode, causing catastrophic damage. To minimize that risk, he swivels the cannons to his back except when about to fire. <ref>Nearly all of his technical specifications come from descriptions found in the Keepers Trilogy.</ref>

[[Image:Sentinel prime dw.jpg|thumb|"Marley was dead to begin with..."]]

====The War Within====
8.2 million years ago, Sentinel Prime went to reason with [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], seeking to reach him with sermon and doctrine. He failed and was tortured and destroyed by Megatron. Megatron was chagrined to discover that Sentinel Prime (suspecting he may be killed) had not brought the Matrix with him into battle.

====The Keepers Trilogy====
The Matrix used a vision of Sentinel Prime to strengthen Optimus Prime's resolve during a battle with Megatron by confronting him with the claim that Megatron had chosen Optimus to be Prime, knowing that he was weak. Megatron's alleged influence over the Prime selection process was never substantiated.

[[Keepers|The Keepers]] subsequently created a robotic duplicate of Sentinel Prime to confuse Optimus and undermine his confidence. Though possessing all of Sentinel Prime's considerable abilities, Optimus eventually realized that the duplicate had been created from his own memories of Sentinel Prime, and was incapable of doing anything ''new.'' Optimus destroyed the duplicate of Sentinel Prime, having largely overcome his own doubts about his fitness to be Autobot leader.

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Image:IDWSent.gif|thumb|120px|right|Do I look pacifistic enough yet?]]

{{note|The original IDW Sentinel Prime sketch included in ''[[Spotlight: Optimus Prime]]'' was clearly based on his first (and otherwise only) appearance in the Marvel comics panel shown above. Though his resemblance as drawn in Megatron: Origin is less distinctly similar due to artistic interpretation and the helmet Milne draws him wearing. He also definitely resembles, by and large, the Keepers description of the character, in that he is quite heavily armed. However the keen interest he shows in the use of those weapons and combat in general seem a stark contrast to the "peacetime leader unsuitable for war" portrayed in that continuity. IDW Sentinel is more likely to smash you with his [[Apex armor]] than try to ply you with doctrine.}}

[[Image:IDWSentface.gif|thumb|150px|left|That comes in "Optimus Prime" and "Marvel Comics" inspired varieties...]]

Sentinel Prime assumed office after the disappearance of [[Nova Prime]] into the [[Benzuli Expanse]].

In the ancient past of Cybertron's peacetime, Sentinel Prime operated out of the [[Security Services Headquarters]] in [[Kaon]], generally regarded as "the worst place on Cybertron." Prime had much disdain for government authority, viewing the ruling [[Senate|Senators]] to be spoiled whiners. He worked alongside [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], his [[second-in-command|lieutenant]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 1}}

After a surge in illegal gladiatorial bloodsport, he assigned [[Bumper]] and [[Fastback]] to stake out one of the sites associated with the matches as part of a dragnet. Unfortunately, their communications were jammed by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] just prior to their untimely demises.{{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2}}

[[Image:IDW_SentPrime_Apexarmor.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Don't tread on me, or I'll [[slag (slang)|slag]] you.]]

Sentinel Prime vowed not to let their deaths be in vain, and at their funeral, the Autobot leader urged others to let their deaths be a call to arms. Eventually, after Senator [[Decimus]] was kidnapped by the [[Seeker]]s at Megatron's orders, Sentinel Prime led a raid on Megatron's base. They captured Megatron and most of the others, but were forced to free Soundwave per Senate directive, much to Prime's frustration. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3}}

[[Image:Sentineltruck.gif|thumb|150px|right|Being Prime requires that your [[Alternate mode|altmode]] have at least six wheels and a trailer. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|It's]] [[Hot Rod|tradition]].]]

When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s "betrayal" led to the eventual eruption of the war, Sentinel Prime held the line at Kaon until he decided to take things to the next level. Thus, Prime returned with his massive "Apex" mode, a battle-armor/super-powerful/more-firepower-than-[[Primus|god]] mode. It didn't make much of a difference, seeing as Megatron tore into it and pulled Prime off a cliff. Sentinel was defeated by Megatron. Afterwards, the former Prime's barely functional body was dumped into the middle of the Autobot forces. Prowl ordered a retreat. We would too.

The next morning, Megatron discussed his next moves with Soundwave... sitting on a throne made out of Prime's Apex armor. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4}}

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==Trivia==

*As revealed in the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] roundtable panel at [[BotCon 2007]], the original concept for the convention-[[exclusive]] redeco of [[Cybertron Defense Team|Cybertron Defense]] [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] was Sentinel Prime. The mold DOES bear a decent resemblence to his IDW appearence, but in the end it was decided that [[Springer]] was a better choice for the mold (and likely for the [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (comic)|ongoing club comic]] story).

==Footnotes==

<references/>

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Duke (G.I. Joe)

2008-03-01T08:54:26Z

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:''Duke is a [[human]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]''
'''Duke''' is a member of [[G.I. Joe]] often serving as the team leader whenever [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] is somewhere else. With his blond hair, blue eyes, and cleft chin, he realy sports that whole "real American Hero," thing.

==Fiction==

===DDP G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers 2===

In a far future, where Decipticon have turned the world into something that looks like it's out of the Terminator, a one armed, no legged, wheelchair bound Duke that's missing a hunk of his face leads the [[Dreadnoks]] as part of the human resistance.

===Dreamwave Transformers/G.I. Joe===

==External links==
* [http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/joe/duke.html| Duke page on Myuseless Knowledge]
* [[w:c:gijoe:Duke|Duke on Joepedia]]

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Jorge Figueroa

2008-01-30T09:05:02Z

Destron Commander: /* Transformers 2007 film */

:''Jorge Figueroa is a [[human]] in the [[Movie (franchise)|Movie]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Movie_JorgeFigueroa.jpg|right|thumb|250px|English, dude. English. We have enough trouble understanding [[Frenzy (Movie)|other people]].]]

'''Jorge "Fig" Figueroa''' es un oficial técnico bajo el comando del capitán [[William Lennox|Guillermo Lennox]] en [[Qatar]]. A él realmente le gusta hablar en español, y quiere que sepas que los lagartos tienen la carne más suculenta.

<div style="width: 90%; margin: auto; background-color:#efefef; border: 2px solid #eeeeee; padding: 2px; text-align: left;">'''Atención:''' ''En [[Transformers: The Junior Novel|Transformers: La Novela para Niños]], el personaje es llamado "John Figuerosa", que puede ser el nombre usado inicialmente durante el desarrollo del personaje.''</div>

==Fiction==
===''Transformers'' 2007 film===
:''Actor:'' [[Amaury Nolasco]]

[[Image:Movie_Scorponok_leapsout.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Run away!]]

On the day before Fig was scheduled to go home on leave from [[Qatar]], he and the rest of the men under the command of Captain [[William Lennox]] were returning to [[United States of America|U.S.]] [[SOCCENT Forward Operations Base]] on board two CV-22 Ospreys after a mission. Discussing what they wanted to do when they got home, Fig at first spoke in Spanish, then switched the English due to the amused complaints of the other soldiers. He cited that he was proud of his heritage and it was his right to speak his native language, then continued with his opinion that alligator meat was the most succulent there is. Sergeant [[Robert Epps|Epps]] declared that he would never eat at Fig's house.

As night fell, the base was suddenly under siege by an [[Blackout (Movie)|unidentified MH-53 Pave Low]] that turned into some sort of walking battle platform. Sergeant Epps was almost crushed by the machine as he tried to escape. Epps recorded images of the attacker when Fig noticed it had activated some sort of weapon from its chest and quickly fired a sabot from his grenade launcher, damaging the 'weapon' under its armour and allowing himself, Lennox, [[Sergeant Donnelly]], Epps, local boy [[Mahfouz]] and the remainder of the soldiers in their unit to escape as SOCCENT was destroyed.

[[Image:Movie_Figueroa_Lennox.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Hey, you're not going to feel me up like you did Epps, right?]]

The next day, the survivors discussed the previous night's attack. Fig said that his mother had a gift of precognition, and it was passed to him. He had a feeling that it wasn't over. Later, as they reached the outskirts of Mahfouz's village, a billboard tower suddenly came crashing down. Donnelly turned to ask what the heck had happened, and Fig replied in Spanish, prompting Donnelly to tell him to speak in English.

Suddenly, they were under attack from a [[Scorponok (Movie)|strange metal scorpion]] that came out of the sand, then dived under it again. As Fig and Donnelly searched for signs of the attacker, it suddenly came up behind the latter and impaled Donnelly in the chest, killing him. The rest of the men ran for the relative cover of the village and set up a defensive perimeter as Lennox attempted to call for air cover from [[the Pentagon]]. Fig was providing suppression fire when one of the metal scorpion's missiles exploded behind the soldier, seriously injuring him.

After command was contacted and the scorpion repelled, Lennox and Epps went to check on their downed friend. Fig had a pulse and was carried off on a stretcher and evacuated by helicopter in the sunset. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers)}}

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==Toys==
===Transformers (2007)===
*'''Desert Attack''' (Screen Battles, 2007)
:''Japanese ID number:'' '''SB-03'''

[[Image:Movie_ScreenBattles_DesertSoldiers.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Mini Fig]]

:This pack features a Deluxe Scorponok repainted with 'sand' paint applications on his body and comes with non-posable figurines of Sergeant Epps, Jorge Figueroa and Donnelly. They are packaged in a special window box featuring a diorama depicting the battle at [[Mahfouz]]'s village.

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==Trivia==
[[Image:Movie_Figueroa_cutscene.jpg|thumb|right|200px|By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Warvan, I shall avenge you!]]

* A later scene where Lennox comforts the dying Figueroa was cut from the theatrical release of the film, but briefly seen in the December 2006 trailer. The scene survived in both [[Transformers: The Movie (novel)|the novelization]] and the [[Transformers: The Junior Novel|childrens' novelization]] where (despite many changes made to tone down descriptions of violence against ''robots'') he still died. Go fig!

* In response to being asked to speak English in the helicopter scene at the beginning of the movie, his line in Spanish translates as "You're always annoying me with the same old shit."

* When the phone tower falls down, his line in Spanish translates as "What the hell do you mean, what was that? That tower fell over and almost killed me! If that thing had come any closer, it would've broken my ass!"

*His name is a reference both to artist and toy designer [[Don Figueroa]] and to a friend of screenwriter [[Roberto Orci]]. [http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=361118&postcount=4280 ]

*[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]] calls him "John Figuerosa."

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MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2008-01-07T06:34:35Z

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==Archives==
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive1|Archive1]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive2|Archive2]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive3|Archive3]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive4|Archive4]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive5|Archive5]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive6|Archive6]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive7|Archive7]]

== Continuity / Timeline ==
I'm trying to make some sense of how the various major continuities are handled, overview-wise. Some have their own continuity page; IDW's just got a timeline, with overview stuff shoved here and there among the individual miniseries. Some don't have anything. Some, like the G1 cartoon, are not much more than lists. The ones that exist tend to be hard to find, aren't categorized uniformly, etc... is there a master format for this stuff?{{unsigned|Repowers|12:15, 29 October 2007}}
:There is no master format for continuity pages. Please feel free to make one! It would be a good thing to have! --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:: You know, I think it would be hot if once we got more timelines up, we began putting Chronology links to the timetable on the story pages. Several Dreamwave comic pages have them, and I think IDW comics should too, since IDW really isn't telling the story in a linear fashion.--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 09:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Sounds like a good idea. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 13:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::Would it make sense to have an overview writeup at the start of each timeline, a few paragraphs or so? Or should "continuity" be a separate page? Where should a chronological list of issues go -- publisher's page, continuity page, timeline page? That's not such a problem with, say, Marvel G1, but Dreamwave's a little messier, IDW's all over the place, and gods help you if you want to sort out the mess that is Marvel UK. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 14:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:: A continuity page should have the following (in my opinion):
:: * A one-paragraph description of the continuity, not more than a few sentences long.
:: * A list of what media belongs to this continuity (which can include some stuff that's vaguely contradictory, but should exclude stuff that's way out there, like Earthforce relative to G1 comics). This can be sorted by publication order, or internal chronology, but if there's a major difference between the two, it should be spelled out.
:: * An overall description of the main events in that continuity, focusing on the events actually chronicled (not the distant past). In particular, for most continuities, changes in the leadership of either side, the changing status (living/dead, present/absent, duplicated by Straxus/encoded on a floppy, etc.)of the big two leaders (usually Optimus Prime and Megatron), any events involving Unicron or Primus, and introductions of major teams or groups of characters (Headmasters, Fuzors) should be in the summary.
:: * If necessary, a timeline, which may end up integrated with one of the above parts.
:: * Pointers to important and closely-related continuities (again, such as Earthforce), discussion of divergences, etc. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::All that sounds pretty good, though I wouldn't get too hung up on following individual characters too much, even the leaders. In Marvel G1, at least, they changed over on a pretty regular basis.
:::On a related note... this and a lot of other overview-type pages are really lost in the shuffle. They should be top-level pages, with everything branching off of them and linking back to them, but instead they're buried and nothing links to them. You start off reading, say, the article on [[Spotlight: Soundwave]]. Where do you go from there to find out more? The IDW issues category? That's the only link out of that page. If you're a newcomer, or even someone with an imperfect memory, how do you know what comes next? Either the individual issue pages need to link to the timeline and continuity pages, or the category page does, or... something.
:::Taking care of it on the category page might be simplest, like what's on the Category:Marvel US issues page. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: Yes, the site is sadly lacking in both "uplinks" and "sidelinks" for the media; links from a TV episode to the TV series, links from an issue of a comic to an overview of the comic, links from one comic to the next comic in that series, etc. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: I'm still poking around and figuring out what's been done and what's needed; it might take a while to figure out how to start cleaning things up. It looks like we've got some random timelines started (still need ones for the Beast era and a few others), as well as continuity pages for some but not all of the major storylines, so I suppose each major continuity should have both kinds of pages. I wonder if there's a way to use a category or subcategory to get individual episode/issue pages to quickly link back to the main overview pages?... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: JW, we do have that comics nav template, though I like the comic infobox on wikipedia more. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: Ah... http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Comicnav ...so we do. Very useful. Now we just gotta propagate it over a few hundred comic issue... :S -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: Also, the nav setup only can link up one level. So Infiltration #2 can link up to the main Infiltration page, but not to the IDW continuity page above that. Would putting a variant of this template on the main page for each miniseries, linking up to the continuity page, work instead? Then you're never more than two clicks away from an individual issue to the continuity overview. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::: That, or somehow add it to the main comicnav template, perhaps in <small>small letters</small> above the series name. I don't wanna step on anyone's toes though. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::: That'd make the most sense, to add a "Continuity" level to the template, or alternately a lower-end "Mini-series" option. But hell if I can make sense out of how these things work... that might be a rainy day project, figuring that out. :\ -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

==Continuity error?==

I've noticed a few errors in episode summaries that are listed as continuity errors, but really aren't. An example from from Divide and Conquer:

<i>Optimus Prime somehow deflects a heat-seeking missile by hitting its warhead with his arm.</i>

I think this would be better described as a technical error. It is an example of a technical fact being misrepresented, not an internal continuity discrepancy. However, the sections titled "Technical and/or animation glitches" seem to only contain technical glitches specifically related to cartoon production. Is this how it should be, or am I just looking at the wrong stories to judge by?

If the latter, great, I'll just move the note. If the former... well, I think that's incorrect, but of course I'll go with it if that's consensus.

Is that consensus? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

:I noticed a couple of things like this on the "Transport to Oblivion" article, and moved them from the "Continuity errors" section to the "Miscellaneous trivia" section, which seemed more appropriate. "Technical and/or animation glitches" should be reserved for actual production errors, and not used for things that are "errors" in the way of not actually making real-world sense. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
::It'd be far more fun if we had a snarkily-titled section specifically for such things. ie How Can That Be? or WTF? Or at least Improbable Events. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 02:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, what are the categories of "error"? A) '''Animation/Production Error:''' That's clearly huffer, but he's pink. / Starscream is talking in Arcee's voice. / Swoop's arm is seventeen feet away from Swoop's shoulder. B) '''Continuity Error:''' Airraid is present in this shot, but he's supposed to be on Earth. And dead. / Soundwave was present at this battle, though Megatron told him to stay behind and guard his Butterfingers. / Five Faces of Darkness: Passim. C) '''Plot Errors:''' Evil plans that make no sense. / Retreating for no reason. D) '''Science Errors:''' Deflecting missiles by hitting them on the warhead. / Yeah, the Transformers have never heard of ''water,'' right. / Neutron bombs are actually ill-suited for use against robots. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I can totally get behind an ERRORS. OF. ''SCIENCE!'' subsection. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== Comic Issues Naming Convention ==

Okay, so [[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] and I have gone back and forth on this, so I'm putting it out in the open. He's lobbying for the format to be "Comic Name (issue number)" with the issue number only being there if it's a multi-part story. Personally, I don't care what the spotted heck we use as long as we use the same format for all the comic issues. Thus to get this noticed and foster discussion, here it is. Ideally once we decide something, it'd be great if we could get Walky or Suki to bot-edit everything so we're over and done with that.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 00:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:My reasoning is this: The title of the issue is not "Escalation, part 1", it's merely the first part of the title "Escalation". Also I don't care is we use "Escalation (part 1)", "Escalation (issue 1)" or "Escalation (#1)" as long as we're consistent. Please see my talk page for the conversation with Rosicrucian. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 00:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:I'm a little reluctant to make a universal rule on this sort of thing. Contrary to MistaTee's statement, sometimes the title of a story really ''is'' "Blah blah, Part 1". However, in cases where there is no known title (like most of the IDW issues), I think "Series Name issue #" would be best, much like what we already have for the [[:Category:Dreamwave Armada issues|Dreamwave Armada]] series (except that, of course, normally the publisher's name wouldn't be in the title, it's only there for Armada to differentiate from the Panini series). It doesn't feel right to me to have a comma or a set of parentheses. That's the model I would prefer for the IDW minis. In cases of a multi-part story which has a known title and takes place in a series of a different title, but the individual parts do not have titles, we can't use the word "issue". So... then I guess either "Story Name, part #" or "Story Name (part #)" is cool with me. I guess I have a slight preference for the comma approach, since it mirrors the way multi-part stories are titled when they are actually given titles. I agree with MistaTee that decapitalizing "part" in those cases is more correct, although it's not an issue that engenders any passion within me. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
::That actually makes a fair amount of sense to me. If we consider that we're treating these as multi-part stories similar to the way they are in the animated series episode summaries, it does follow that it would be "Infiltration, part 1" and so forth in absence of specific issue titles. It works for the miniseries issues, at the least.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 15:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I've sorta grown a fondness toward "issue", since each individual comic IS an issue of a larger title or miniseries. I also favor the parentheses since the word "issue" is not part of the title. When the TPB is released for Escalation, for example, it is not separated by "issue" or "part", etc, it's a free flowing story. Therefore it's simply "''Escalation'' (issue 1)". Now if the issue itself actually uses the word "part" or whatever (as in the UK strips for example) then I have no problem using it. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 16:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
::::I don't think a an article title like "Escalation issue 3" causes any confusion -- the word issue and numeral 3 are clearly not part of the comic's title. It's just saying that the article is about the third issue of Escalation: "{Name of a comic series} issue {issue number}". Parentheticals in article titles, to me, are meant to differentiate between multiple entities that have the same name. The various issues of Escalation do not have the same name -- they have no names at all. "Escalation issue 3" then is a purely descriptive article title which doesn't imply anything about the title of that issue. "Escalation, part 3" avoids my parentheses concern and would be acceptable to me (it is of the form "{Name of a multipart story}, part {part number}"), but I'd rather we explicitly refer to issues as issues when possible. In self-analysis I can't think of a reason for that preference, so it may be arbitrary. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Personally, I ''greatly'' prefer "Comic name, issue #". Or "Comic name, part #". I really don't like the parentheses - we generally have used them solely for disambiguation, and I think we should maintain that. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 05:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::"Issue" has the great advantage of being totally unambiguous. Everyone knows exactly what an "issue" is, as opposed to a "part", a "book", or whatever else. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

As some food for thought, I took a look at the inside covers to see how IDW actually parses things.

*Infiltration uses "The Transformers # _", with "Infiltration" printed a line beneath it.

*Stormbringer uses "The Transformers: Stormbringer # _".

*Escalation uses the "The Transformers" logo with "Escalation" underneath basically as an extension of the logo. Further down on the page is printed "Issue Number ___", with the number actually written out.

*Like Stormbringer, Devastation uses "The Transformers: Devastation # _".

Stormbringer and Devastation have an obvious solution here. Simply drop the "The Transformers:" and just use the "Series Title # _" format. No commas, parentheticals, or extra words needed. It might be simpler to just apply this format to Infiltration and Escalation as well.

However, if we'd rather stick closer to the titles printed in the actual comics, Escalation should probably be "Escalation, Issue Number One" and so forth. I'm not quite sure on Infiltration though, as the way it's formatted in those books doesn't allow for a simple discard of the "The Transformers" part. Keeping that in could mean either "The Transformers # _, Infiltration" or maybe "The Transformers # _ (Infiltration)" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

:More food for thought... I also just checked at the inside covers and discovered a rather consistent pattern. If you look at the small writing at the bottom, all the IDW "-ation" series seem to have it formatted "The Transformers: Infiltration #1", "The Transformers: Escalation #1", "The Transformers: Devastation #1", "The Transformers: Megatron Origin #1", etc. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 08:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'll like to point out that the "#" can't be used in article titles. (Since it's used in links to point to sections.) [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 09:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Dammit, back to square 1, lol. Well on the front cover they all seem to use "issue #X" right under the IDW logo. Without the # symbol, that would be "issue X". If we can decide on the word "issue" at least, we can debate whether to format it as "issue X", "Issue X", "(issue X)" or "(Issue X)" --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 14:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Echoing the "dammit." Personally, I really dislike the current use of (issue X), with its uncapitalized word inside parenthesis. It just looks... wrong... to me. I think "Title, issue X" would be much better, but that's just me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Something worth noting: if we use parentheses, we can use pipe magic on the title in question.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:Example? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::If you link to an article with a parenthetical reference in its title, you can use an empty pipe to auto-fill the link. For example <nowiki>[[Revelation (IDW)|]]</nowiki> gets parsed as [[Revelation (IDW)|Revelation]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Ah, that '''is''' a nice feature. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think pipe magic will be helpful when linking to individual issues, though. If I were going to link to Infiltration #4 I would probably want the link to state which issue it went to instead of making it look like it goes to the series' "hub" page. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Glancing over the more recent posts -- and thanks for chiming in, folks -- it appears that a non-parentheses style is more popular. Further, the IDW books themselves seem to vary the way they write out their titles in minor ways, although the indicia consistently use "{Series Name} #{Issue Number}". This makes me think that my previous suggestion to follow the style "Infiltration issue 4" or "Infiltration, issue 4" is going to be best. I prefer the style without a comma, but it's not a big deal to me either way. Opinions on that? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:If the parentheses are definitely out, I suppose the non-comma version --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 03:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== Current troll problem ==

Is there a way to keep the IP addresses our resident troll has been using from creating accounts? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:Presumably that's the "account creation disabled" part of the block log. So I ''think'' he's hopping IPs before creating winners like [[User:Optimus the F22|Optimus the F22]]--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:The staff at Wikia would probably be able to help. They are aware of Assautlhead, and consider him a cross wiki vandal. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::I looked at Wikia's block log, and the logs shows when it is used. So apperently our admins haven't been making use of it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 01:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Or at the least that there's a difference between local account creation and global account creation. I'll admit I'm a little fuzzy on the distinction regarding how Wikia works versus a more standard wiki.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

YOU WILL SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT ASSAULTHEAD OR I WILL BEAT YOU UP FAST THAT YOUR FUCKING HEADS WILL SPIN! THAT NAME MAKES ME SICK!([[User:64.58.144.10|64.58.144.10]] 09:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC))

Guess who recently got handed a permanent block at Wikipedia and is back to haunt us?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

:Assuming this is the same guy that's been trolling here for awhile, if I recall correctly, Walky was the one who asked the rest of us if he should ban the guy immediately, because he was too entertaining. True, while the guy could have returned as easily as he later did regardless of how quickly he was banned and Walky wouldn't have known the guy would continually return if banned, tolerance of trolling stupidity just encourages more stupidity, I've observed. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

::We are indeed aware of Assaulthead. He has been globally blocked, and informed of the reasons for it, and we are encouraging him to find another community on the Internet where he would be more welcome. Your best course of action now is to allow his exit to be a quiet one. Talking about him on the wiki only encourages him to come back and keep reading and "retaliating", instead of moving on and getting involved elsewhere. Please delete [[:Category:Troll/Assaulthead]] and any similar pages discussing his disruptions. You may of course continue to delete his edits, and to block the accounts or IPs he uses to evade his block, but please use neutral, boring edit and blocking summaries. Thanks, best wishes, and let me know if there's anything else I can do to help this wiki out! — [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]<staff/> <small>([[User talk:CatherineMunro|talk]])</small> 01:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

==Teletraan-1:Blocking Policy==
Is there any chance we can get a blocking Policy? Why does SFH's Wiki has one while some Wikis do not?([[User:EDD!|EDD!]] 00:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC))

== Indonesian version ==

I noticed than an [http://id.transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Halaman_Utama Indonesian version] of this wiki was just launched- could we link to that from the same pull -down menu on the front page that currently just links to the Hungarian version? --[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 17:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

==Administrators==
Any chance we can get at least one more administrator for late hours? If the current idiot rage is any indicator, we need it. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 09:42, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, the admins aren't normally online during these hours, because I assume they are located in either the same countries or timezones that aren't too far from each other, which is a problem as this troll guy knows that's the time to attack with less risk of administrative intervention. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

==Spelling of site name==
I feel like this has been discussed repeatedly, but we still haven't actually done anything about it, and it recently came up again on [[Transformers Wiki talk:User page]]. We've taken to generally writing the name of our wiki and the computer it is named after as "Teletraan I", although the site database still uses "Teletraan-1" instead, meaning that text appears anywhere the wiki SITENAME variable is called. "Teletraan I" is the way the name appears in the original G1 episode scripts and the G1 cartoon bible. Some later but still official spellings omit one of the As, or use an arabic number instead of a roman numeral, or include a hyphen, or any combination of these things. I feel as if we should stick with the original spelling, even though that spelling was only "discovered" in the last 5 years or so and, for all I know, might not even be the most common spelling. Regardless of the spelling that we pick, I am really tired of the inconsistency between our graphic logo and the SITENAME variable, and think we should take one and go with it. I would appreciate it if other users would express their preferences. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:Teletraan I. I'd prefer not to go with fan-originated spellings. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 05:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:I say "Fuck it, we rename the whole thing Vector Sigma, which is a way better name for a repository of TF data anydamnway." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::In THAT case, Underbase. But no, we're probably a little too established as Teletraan I (however you like it spelled) these days. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 12:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and changed the Sitename to "Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki" -- if you change your mind after more discussion, I can change it again. (I'd suggest leaving the "tranformers wiki" portion, however -- this improves your ranking in search engines.)

I have also added "TeletraanI" and "Teletraan1" as additional domain names, so http://teletraani.wikia.com and http://teletraan1.wikia.com both redirect to http://transformers.wikia.com -- hopefully this will also help people typing "teletraan" into search engines to find you. Good luck! — [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]<staff/> <small>([[User talk:CatherineMunro|talk]])</small> 01:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Elements of ideal comic issue ==

We really should standardize pages for common things like comic issues, fer instance. We should find an accepted page that is perfect in format and either use that as the standard or just build an "example page" based on that. Using [[Infiltration (issue 0)]], I propose the following:
* the top of the page should have the 2 most-common covers, rendered to 250px wide, and usually with a humorous comment. Other notable covers can be listed in the Covers section below.
* The Comic Nav box should have the "pretty title" be the exact title as published, and in italics (but linked to the appropriate page)
* 2 lines below the nav box (for spacing), should be a credits listing, usually the Writer/script, Artist/Penciler and inker, Colorist, Letterer and Editor in generally that order. The titles should be bolded.
* Next should be a bullet point for ''Major characters (in order of appearance):'' (title in italics)
* Next, bullet point for ''Originally published:'', also title in italics. If published date is unknown, cover date.
* If available, a 3rd bullet for ''Continuity:''
* after this, use a spacer symbol: <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>

There should be 4 sections using a level-2 header: Synopsis, Quotes, Errors and Items of note. If information is unknown for any of these, please include a bullet point for
* None yet identified

Synopsis:
* General overview of the important elements of the issue's plot

Quotes:
* in quotation marks and italics. The second speaker (if there is one) should be indented. Below, using an m-dash, the speaker should be listed in Bold.

Errors
* self-explanatory

Items of note
* Connections to other issues/continuities/properties/whatever
* special items
* notes about recurring sections such as a letters section, etc.
* Also under Items of note, in level-3 headers, should be a Covers section and a Advertisements section
* Covers should list the number of covers, a very brief description of each and the artist(s)
* Advertisements should at least list Transformers-related ads, although a complete list would be nice.

Whew! OK, let the debates begin! --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

: How about instead of a paragraph for characters, we use that multicolored appearances box like we do for episodes? I like that. It's easier to read. Granted, some issues it'll be huge, but that's true for the cartoon as well. (If worse comes to worse, individuals on subgroups can be condensed down to just the group name.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:: Interesting idea. Might have to rearrange of few things. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:::Yeh, I think maybe we can use a format similar to that we use for the cartoon episode. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 03:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

::::I too support the multicoloured box. Consistency is victory. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 03:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::: I did a mock-up using that style and some re-arrangement. [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:MistaTee/sandbox Have a look.] --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 04:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::: Let's get some more feedback so we can get a standard nailed down. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 12:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:I really do think that for quotations that contain more than two text-boxes worth of dialog, a script format is just simply easier to keep track of, (and this better) also slightly more compact. Oh, and I think my page-by-page listing of character cameos in Beast Wars #1 was cool and should have been kept - even though it's not standard, but that issue did have a ton of characters. Oh, and I really don't like having headers for empty categories, so they should be left out. Since they just make the wiki look incomplete when maybe there just aren't any errors or references or whatever in the issue.--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 16:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with Zodberg about going script-style if there's more than two speakers. Also, I don't see the point of indenting a second speaker -- why not just put a break in and call it a day?
::On a related note, I've seen some really confusing breakdowns of quotes from comic books, attempting to follow the speech bubble pattern by putting each bubble's worth of text on separate lines, even when it's all one speaker. This gives some strange, hard-to-read results and I'm kinda opposed to it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::What do you mean by "script style" exactly? Here's another idea for 2 people exchanging quotes: first person in normal font and second in italics. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 16:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Script-style is when you put each speaker's name before each line of dialogue:
::::'''Optimus:''' Wheeljack, bring back my Doritos!
::::'''Wheeljack:''' I didn't take 'em, Prime! It was Jazz! I don't even have a mouth!
::::'''Jazz:''' Wheeljack, you big tattletale.
::::'''Optimus:''' Jazz, you know the punishment. Give me your agonizer.
::::Putting all the attributions at the end can be very confusing when there are several people speaking back and forth. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, what JW said. For one speaker, "Quote" -- attribution is fine.
:::::For two speakers... why do they need to be distinguished? Thta's what line breaks and quotation marks are for.
:::::"Oh yeah, well, your mom is a cheap -- "
:::::"Hey! Not in front of the humans!"
::::: -- '''Ironhide''' and '''Ratchet'''
:::::I don't see how there's any confusion there. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I'm with Rob and JW here, I think you're severely overcomplicating something that doesn't need it. This is how I handled the quotes from the various Cybertron episodes I did up. (I should get back on those sometime. I'm pretty sure they're still available online.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Ah yes, the script style looks greta for 2 or more speakers --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

==The Recurring Troll Problem==
Wikia people re looking into... solutions. Until then, I propose this plan whenever the recurring troll returns.<br>
1) DO NOT REVERT HIS SHITTY EDITS. This just causes the changes page to be filled with idiot bac-and-forth. Instead, just write them down for a mod to revert/delete.<br>
2) DO NOT TALK TO IT AS IF IT WAS A HUMAN OR A MONKEY. Do not engage.<br>
3) GO TO WIKIA HOME AND GET IN TOUCH WITH A MOD. They can enact wide-reaching bans and such.<br>
--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:I suppose that makes sense. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::By Wikia home you mean... what? #wikia? -15:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Image Copyrights==
I asked awhile ago, and nobody seemed to know, so...

I've always been under the impression that images {{c}} someone else should be credited ''not'' just with a note that they belong to someone else, but a ''year'', for much the same reasons we identify ''who'' the image belongs to rather than simply saying 'we don't own it, but it's fair use.' The more info we provide, the more 'seriously' the copyright is being taken. if we wipe our ass with an unadorned, <nowiki>{{fairuse}}</nowiki> clearly we don't think the holder of the copyright is ''important''... or something.

I have a script I've been poking at. It can run through every image detail page on the wiki through a regular expression and pick out which images don't have copyright owners (Hasbro or Takara-- you're supposed to ID which even if you're using <nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki>,) which don't have dates, and which don't have any sort of copyright notice at all. (A significant chunk of our images have no notices that they belong to someone else.) It could also drop the offending images into categories to be sorted out and properly labeled. (I imagine I'd give it Steve-o and let it do so logged in as the bot to avoid the update-floods.)

...is anyone interested in this? Does it seem like a good idea? Terrible idea? ...Bueler? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Cartoon Episode Format==
I realize we've got a Help page that cites "[[The Agenda, Part 1]]" as a model cartoon episode. But...

First of all, that up-front section on that page looks pretty hideous. IMO, stuff like air date, characters, and writers is less important than the story summary.

Second, while ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' follow this format, ''[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|Generation 1]]'', (some of ) ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'', and the handful of completed ''[[Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' episodes do not. They have a different layout, typified by "[[City of Steel]]"... and again IMO, it looks and works much better, with all the messy stuff like character appearances and air date condensed into a Stats section near the bottom.

'''One-line summary:''' Following the example set by comic pages, I feel that one-line summary ought to be '''bold''', regardless of the format. It lets your eye jump right to the one sentence which immediately tells you what the page is all about.

'''Quotes:''' Oh, those quotes! There must be a dozen different formats for them, most of them ridiculously complex or strange. My nomination for quote formatting on ''all'' episode and comic issue pages is thus:

''A single speaker:''
<BR>"We've got to pull ourselves together and win. That's what makes us a team! Because if we don't act like team we won't be together anymore. And that could mean we'll lose."
:: -- '''Rad''' or '''Carlos''' or someone

''Two speakers:''
<BR>"So you're saying that if we work together, we'll be more of a team? Golly, I never thought of it that way."
<BR>"Uhhhhh?"
:: -- '''Carlos''' and '''Hot Shot''', the latter drooling.

''Three or more speakers or lines:''
<BR>'''Rad:''' "I know if we keep trying we can do this! We musts succeed! For the good!"
<BR>'''Alexis:''' "That's the spirit. If we try then we can win!"
<BR>'''Hot Shot:''' "So what you're saying is... huh."
<BR>'''Carlos:''' "Hey you guys, wait up!!"
<BR>'''Hot Shot:''' "I guess what Carlos is saying is true. We'll have to give it our best shot. What do you think, Leader-1?"
<BR>'''Optimus:''' "I think that we have to win in order to defeat Megatron. And GET THOSE MINI-CONS!"
<BR> -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:I've been doing it this way for months, because the old style kind of blows. Maybe somebody should edit the Help page so we aren't giving newcomers the wrong idea about what we expect in a episode article? It creates a fucking shitload of work to correct an episode article if we go around telling people to do things the wrong way and then we have to fix it ourselves.

::I agree on all counts. If nobody objects after a day or two, I say we change that Help link. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

::As the person who did the Cybertron episode pages, obviously I agree. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I changed it anyway, because even if we later disagree and any episode recap is made in the meantime, it's ''far'' easier to edit a recap down to the old style than it is to update an old recap style to M Sipher's Cyb ep style. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

All sounds fine to me. One thing I consider important is that all the RID episode pages open with haikus, as a bunch (but not all) already do. :) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:I hate you. :P
:RID ep recaps are largely dependant on those of us who go to the trouble of importing those UK DVD sets. Does anybody here actually own them? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:: *raises hand* I've thought about doing summaries, but for whatever reason the Japanese shows won out in my head. I'd do RiD before I'd do Victory, though. Yeeargh. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

::: Any recaps are hard to do. We're struggling to do the Beast Wars recaps, and it's the best series we have... then again BW and BM are very complex, so that helps in difficulty of writing. Off-topic question: Did Metrodome ever fix that subbing problem (where a sub from a later episode is used on an earlier episode) in Headmasters for the big Takara boxset? Trying to weigh which version to get. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:::: I think it may be a proportionate thing - the better-written the show, the tougher it is to write up. For example, I've only managed half of the really-rather-good Masterforce in three months, whereas the gut-wrenchingly stupid Headmasters was done in a month! Heck, maybe I *should* do Victory, it's the worst of the three in my book, maybe I'd get it all done in a week...

:::: The error didn't get fixed for the Takara Collection boxset, unfortunately... and although I don't have absolutely confirmation of this, I doubt it's fixed for the Madman set either, since there are several other unfixed errors reported. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to say that I think the information such as writer, air date, etc. absolutely does belong right up front, before the summary, for cartoon episodes just as we have it there for comic issues. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

==Ignorant question about Korean Beast Wars==
Hi folks. Been a little while. I was just wondering if anyone could give me a little clarification about something, and if so perhaps could add it to some relevant articles (unless it's already in there somewhere and I'm just not seeing it)?

What I wanted to know is: What is HasTak's position and (presumably) thus ''our'' position on the officialness of the widely available Korean releases of ''[[Beast Wars II]]'' and ''[[Beast Wars Neo]]''? I'm sure you know the ones I'm talking about; you often see [[Big Convoy]], [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]], [[Magnaboss]], [[Megastorm]] etc in these Korean releases. They come in large windowless boxes with pimp box art and are packaged in moulded white plastic trays, and as far as I can tell the toys are absolutely identical to the Japanese releases.

I've long heard many eBay sellers (but I'm not going to blindly trust them) swear up and down that these Korean releases are fully official and liscenced for the Korean market by Takara, and they're also sold by BigBadToystore (who don't generally have much truck with knock-offs) alongside the Japanese releases with only the proviso "Korean Box" stated.

So, does anyone have any clear knowledge on this question? Can one consider these particular Korean releases to be as official as the Japanese releases? I'd really appreciate knowing if someone has any definite info on this. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]

So far as I know, they are definitely official releases. [[User:Dj convoy|Dj convoy]] 00:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:They're official releases under Takara's South Korean subsidiary or distributor Sonokong. I believe it's a way for Takara to get around the cultural divide and resentment in South Korea towards Japan by selling their products through a local company. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks guys, that's a load off. I take it this is the consensus then? If so, it might be good to add it to a few pages there, for others such as me who might be wondering... [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]

:::TV's Grady made [[Sonokong|this]]. We still don't know that much about them. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::It could also be a legal thing-- didn't we get the Antex TF's because laws at the time in Brazil ''required'' the brand to be managed by a domestically-owned company? That would explain why the Korean TF's got their own separate production run instead of just being produced in China like the Japanese TF's. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Europe/Japan/etc-"only" character categories==
So I was thinking about this today... how hard would it be to change these categories a bit? IDW and the Club are pulling characters once found only in Japan and Europe left and right (and 3H grabbed a couple to boot), so "only" is a bit of a misnomer, but the category group is still, I think, an important one to have. Perhaps "-only" should become "-origin", indicating characters whose first appearances were in non-US-first fiction/toylines, regardless of later US appearances? Could a bot handle this change? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:"Japanese-original characters", "European-original characters", "South-American-original characters", mayhaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with you strongly. Thus we can make something not to be confused later day. (e.g. I've already heard someone say Lio Convoy originate in IDW continuity. Gosh...) By the way, if we really use "-origin", I think Car Robot/RiD characters can be also in this category. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 00:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::: Would the original GeeWon characters be Japan-origin as well? Is this toy-origin or fiction-origin? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::That's a really good question. I think that, since A) this is a fiction-oriented wiki, and 2) "toy originated in Japan, fiction originated in America" is the "default" for the core characters, then we should use the "fiction-origin" definition, unless the character ''only'' has a toy.
::::Um, but what then do we do if a character is produced as ''only'' a toy, ''only'' in Japan, and then ten years later his first fictional appearance is in America? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Where applicable, consider the Japanese tech specs/bio its first fictional appearance. Even the ''Operation: Combination'' Micromasters and such had minimal write-ups in ''TV Magazine'' before the reissue bios gave some of them more personality. Otherwise, note the toy existed under a given name in Japan, but did not exist as a ''character'' until brought into U.S. fiction. Mind you, the only Japan-original toys that come to my mind as qualifying are the limited-edition Mini-Cons/Microns. There are doubtless many I'm forgetting.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I think that's overcomplicating the issue. The Boosters and limited Microns that are getting first-time Club bios would fall under the Japan-origin deal. I mean, just because a toy doesn't have a bio, that doesn't mean it's not a character... it just doesn't have any character''ization''. It's still an individual. Otherwise, even several Japanese-ONLY characters wouldn't qualify, like Shuffler or the Godmaster Warriors... and most of the South American guys wouldn't qualify for their own national-origin category. The ''Diaclone / Microman''-origin TFs from 84/85 would ''not'' fall under this because their premier ''as Transformers'' was in the US. One could make a case for the ''Car Robots'' characters being in the category, but the ''RID'' additions to the line would not. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:I like this idea. The change can be made pretty easily with the [[User:DiagnosticDrone|DiagnosticDrone]], but that will have to wait until I'm back at my home PC instead of travelling for the holidays. In the meantime, continue to hash out exactly how you want to do them. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
::I think I can help with the work during my holidays after the decision is made. :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 06:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't bother. It's a task that can be accomplished by the bot with almost zero effort on my part. Also, bot edits are hidden by default on the Recent Changes list, so that way nobody will have to look at a hundred category-change edits in a row. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Got it, thanks! ;D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 12:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I figured that "how we want to do them" would be to basically take every instance of "(nation/market)-only characters" and simply change them to "(nation/market)-origin characters". It'd really only be a category name-change, effectively. We would probably then add a few guys to it, like Stepper-Ricochet and the ''Car Robots'' original dudes. That's about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:There are a lot of potential wordings, though. A few have already been mentioned in this discussion. "Japan-origin characters", "Japanese-origin characters", "Characters of Japanese origin", "Japan-original characters"...? I kind of prefer a "characters of..." form because it sounds more natural, but it's also wordier. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
::It also runs counter to all the other "________ characters" categories we have, like "cartoon-only characters", "Masterforce characters", etc.
::I think I like the "Japanese-original characters" wording. It's a bit less ambiguous. Of course, the category page would need a slight "these appeared FIRST as characters outside of US stuff, even though they may later have been put in US stuff"
disclaimer (if there isn't one already). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I think maybe we should rearrange the categories & sub-categories. Something like:
::::*Category: ''Characters of Japanese origin'' (temporary name)
::::**(sub)Category:The Headmasters characters
::::**(sub)Category:Masterforce characters
::::**(sub)Category:Victory characters
::::**(sub)Category:Zone characters
::::**(sub)Category:Return of Convoy
::::**(sub)Category:Operation Combination characters
::::**(sub)Category:Beast Wars II characters
::::**(sub)Category:Beast Wars Neo characters
::::**(sub)Category:Car Robot characters
::::**(sub)Category:''Japanese Unicron Trilogy characters'' (temporary name)<ref>Such as [[Falcia]] etc</ref>
:::--[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:59, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
:::<references/>
::::This is a bad idea; not everyone in each of those series is J-origin. In fact, the overwhelming majority of, say, Headmasters characters are not. Also, why would we have a "Car Robots characters" category? There's already an RID category, and everyone in ''that'' sure isn't J-origin. All this is supposed to be is a category rename to accommodate the international borrowing that's become more prevalent in the last year or so while retaining the point of the categories; noting characters that weren't created by/for Hasbro US series. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Oops, I forgot to make it clear. I didn't mean all characters from "Category:The Headmasters characters" are J-origin. But some characters such as Raiden, Bodiless Headmasters and some others are surely J-origin. Umm, but there is still some problems as you said, it's really difficult to separate FortMax, Chromedome and others from the category. And there's similar issue for CR guys.
:::Errr, I'm not good at explain. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 15:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Suggested change for disambig pages ==

As disambig pages start getting... er... ''long'', I'd like to suggest that each entry be prefaced by a ''year'' that character first appeared since we already put them in chronological order.

An example of a year'd disambig page can be seen here [[User:Derik/Sandbox5]] vs. the original [[Prowl|here]].

Does anyone else think this is a good/terrible idea ''in principle'', momentarily putting aside issues of implementation/formatting etc? Is it worth exploring? (This seems like a good middle-solution that keeps disambig pages easy to use as they get long.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
: I don't mind the idea, but mostly I just want to mention that 2004 was a really good year for Prowl. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Well, as for Prowl's case, I really think Derik's version is quite nice. Maybe this will work. :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 12:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Cartoon continuity headings==
Have we decided on a definative format for this yet? most of the pages with characters who appeared in Sunbow's G1 through to the japanese series (and maybe Beast Wars as well) have quite different headings, and I recall we were worried about ''Transformers Animated'' causing problems with all the 'Animated continuity' headings on character pages. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think we had decided on using "cartoon" instead of "animated." So use "cartoon continuity," or for those who appear in more than one cartoon continuity, use "Generation 1 cartoon continuity," "Beast Wars cartoon continuity," etc. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

== Name-Dropping ==

Is there a preferred term for the phenomena where, when new characters are being introduced, they all go out of their way to say each other's name? Or sometimes they say their ''own'' name? (So the kiddies will know which toy to bug their parents for.) [[User:JW|JW]] 16:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:Like that really bad scene in Beast Wars Part 1 where the Maximals decide to give themselves new names? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::Yah, or pretty much any scene in the Marvel comic where we meet a new subgroup. Or the Starscream-Lugnut-Blackarachnia-Blitzwing conversation in T&RO. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:Or even the initial spread introducing all the Autobots in issue 1 of the Marvel series. It's a form of exposition, but I don't know if there's a preferred term for that particular aspect of it. "Sledgehammer exposition" works, but it includes stuff besides just naming oneself or others. (And ''TF: Animated'' managed it in one of the more subtle ways I've seen, even if it was still obvious to us.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::Forced Introduction? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::"Introdump"? (After [[Wikipedia:Infodump|infodump]].) [[User:JW|JW]] 21:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I, Zodberg, feel that "introdump" is a nice enough term. When I hear the expression "name-dropping" I think of when people casually say names of other people to make themselves look smarter/better-networked.

== Username character limit? ==

Considering Assaulthead's recent not-so-clever usernames, am I the only one who thinks some sort of character limit on usernames is in order? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:ItsWalky

2008-01-06T06:43:41Z

Destron Commander: Joepedia permission

--I'm deeply sorry

=="Deadside"?==

Umm, who? what? I just don't think you're funny, but no, I don't know you and you don't know me. [[User:66.28.139.242|66.28.139.242]] 03:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

==Something I Noticed==

I see that when new users come in - I did this too - one of the first things they start to do is edit out the silly captions and some of the humor from the Wiki. This is mostly stemming from the transition from Wikipedia and other Wikis to Teletraan-1, since most others have strict no-humor. Is there a way to put up some sort of banner in the "Help Contents" guide, that explains, look, we're silly here sometimes?

And, um, that guy below is just funny as hell. [[User:Mirai Gen|Mirai Gen]] 19:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

==Things to say to you==
[[Image:Ttoc.GIF|right|thumb|We approve this message.]]

Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.
: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

== I thought it was vandalism ==

Just that I read the article and thought it was vandalism from the way it was written. So I accidently reverted it to the old one, which had more of something that seemed like vanderism. Then I realize I am not in wikipeida, but in Transformers wiki. I clicked on a link from Tformers.com and since the two sites look so damn similar, yeah......That explains the humor and why I had to make an account here. Sorry, but I am wishy washy at the moment since I have a term paper due soon and haven't gotten any sleep. Sorry. LOL--[[User:Doomzaber|Doomzaber]] 03:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

== Just kind of curious ==

Is there a limit to your knowledge of Transformers lore, or is it as infinite as the cosmos?

Because damn, do you know a lot.

==You are now an Admin==

Hello ItsWalky, I've made you and Suki Brits admins for this wiki. Thanks for offering to help out! Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please see [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - you two will be fine for now, but more may be needed in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

My liege *kneels*--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 13:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Nice April Fools lol [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 14:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

...RUN, HE'S GONE MAD WITH POWER!

I know Bodycount was being antagonistic about his changes (not just on the Nemesis Prime entry), but I think blocking him for 2 weeks may have been excessive. We should try to settle editorial conflicts through compromise, like they do at Wikipedia, by rewriting the article to express both points of view and the reasoning behind those views. On the other hand, I
have no idea who he is, aside from a vague feeling that he's an Allsparker. You may be more familiar with his habits than I. Maybe he's likely to just be disruptive. But from what I have seen just here at this site, I think the block was premature. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

MAD WITH POWER!

I Knew BC at Tfans, he was a bit antaganistic to the rabid GeeWuners, but he's a great kitbasher. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 05:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Bodycount's been banned repeatedly from the Allspark, and from several other boards, as well. He's a textbook troll, and we're better off without him. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 05:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

== There's an issue with the "Recent Changes" page ==

Up at the top of the "recent changes" page where it says "below are the last X chaned in the last Y days as of DATE", for some reason the "DATE" says "$3". --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 14:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Pssy, Walky! You need a http:// on the botcon link on your blog. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

== The Agenda: Part 1 ==

:Hahaha, the guy whose fault it is I'm here was right behind me, messing with my first edits. How's that for irony? :)
:(I love Shortpacked.) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 21:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

== Episode Template Comments ==

Hi ItsWalky. Thanks loads for your feedback. Sorry about the date thing. As for the loss of data between the two templates, reordering each of the groups for order of appearance shouldn't be too difficult, just means watching the episode carefully again (unfortunately, when I did the lists of characters for my own TF site, I didn't consider having them in order of appearance and thus alphabetized them right away). With regards to the difference between major and minor characters, I'm not sure I would quite know where to draw the line on who's what in every TF episode. To me, it would seem to depend if the character was regular, is he major or minor for the whole series, season, or just the episode, or if the character was a guest, I could see it likely being just the episode. Perhaps if I knew what guidline Teletraan-1 was using to determine Major/Minor status, I could think of a way to incorporate it into my template. Thanks again for your feedback. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 00:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. Just to let you know I've incorporated order of appearance into my test template if you wanted to check it out: [[User:Telet093/The Master Builder]]. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 23:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
==Cartoon==
Hi - sorry for the home page edit, I was trying to figure out if I added the word "cartoon" at the top of the page, would google figure out that your site is not about power control and liquid transformers :-) [http://wikia.com/wiki/User:Gil Gil]
:Google's not gonna figger it out, no, not until they distinguish between the two in their databases. Believe me, every TF site with google ads has the same problem. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== A Question on Mini-Con Entries ==
As I'm hitting the "random page" button, I seem to come up with a Mini-Con page for this or that Mini-Con most of the time. Is there any reason every Mini-Con has its own page? Could they be consolidated on to their respective team pages? This may be a community issue, but I figured an editor the best place to start.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
: All the ones in Armada and Cybertron, at least, have their own bios and personalities, so that should be enough for a page. I think, in principle, every toyed character should have its own page, whether it be a Nebulan, Mini-Con, Deployer, or what have you. I tend to only use the "Related characters" subsection for fiction-only humans and the like. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

==Question Time Again==
Would it be possible to consolidate the pages such as [[quartex]] and [[cycle]] and whatever else is floating about into just a single "Cybertronian Units of Time" page of some sort? I had no idea a "quartex" existed until I randomly hit the [[Conductors]] page, for instance, but having them all in one place might be helpful, or possibly to rename the page into "Measurements of time" and split off [[Megamile]]?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
: I don't see why we can't have both. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Alot of images seem to be missing ==

many of the images have dissipered, such as the ones on [[neon]]. the image files themselves cive a "can't find on server" error. any idea WTF is up? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
:Probably just a temporary glitch. Wikia has a lot of them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

==Sources==
How does one go about making reference to a patent and a catalog in a footnote on here?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 18:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
: Replacing -s with HTML arrow-thingies:
::-ref-[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]-/ref-
::And then create a "Footnotes" subheading at the bottom of the page, under which you type:
::-references/-
::That will automatically create a footnote there.
:See [[Ratchet (G1)]] for an example. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
==Lyrian==
Are you seeing the Lyrian.jpg image on her entry? Because I still am not. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 22:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, correction: I ''am'' seeing it when I use Internet Explorer, but not when I use Mozilla Firefox. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 22:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
:I think you need to refresh the page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

==Sorry?==
Dude, the Seeker cateogry expressely said it was for G1 characters, and it wasn't until now that you decided that the Armada guys counted. Maximals was in Beast Era category, so I just made it more specific. Same for Vehicons. I'm sorry for pissing you off, but you're effectively blaming me for not being psychic. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 21:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

== Images fitting ==

I have a wide screen resolution (1280x800), and often times images that are on the same side will start to stack up if there aren't enough lines of text between them, kind of like this:

:img | _______
_______| | img

That's what was happening with the Airazor pics. Would it be better to add in come blank lines? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
: Well, in Airazor's case, we just had to fill in more summary. She was missing some key episodes, which filled in more text between the two images. On other pages, I dunno, it's a problem with the system, which we'll have to work out, 'cuz I think all images are gonna hafta be lefted if there's storylinks over there. Otherwise it's a mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== COMPLETE GO-BOTS POWER?!!! ==

Walky, I '''''must''''' have this thing! For [http://chawks.brinkster.net/gb my Go-Bots site]!

PLEEEASE?

{wipes up drool}
: Steve-o's got first dibs, and he'll have it up on his TF coloring book archive whenever he gets the time. I've just now shared the harddrive folder with all the stuff in it so he has access to it, after all these years. I'm slow. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

::Saw the scans. That's awesome! It's really too bad it never got made. And y'know, I think a Go-Bots cover done in the "DW house style" could actually look super-cools. May I have permission to upload the scans to my site? (I always like to ask.) --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 20:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

==Bureaucrat==
Hi David. Since the original founder of this wiki has been inactive since June 2005, I've made you a bureaucrat here in case there are any trusted community members who need to be made into admins. See [[Wikia:Help:User access levels]] for help with this. I liked your recent [http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20070101.html comic] mentioning the wiki. Perhaps you should link to the wiki as well to encourage more transformers fans to join in. [[w:User:Angela|Angela]] <sup>[[User talk:Angela|talk]]</sup> 00:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== Pretender Grimlock ==

In case you didn't know, Reprolabels makes Pretender Grimlock stickers. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
: Oooh. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== About the delete of the IDW megatron Pic ==

The image illustrate megatron in his IDW form (as well as his alt mode), and it as been (at least) released on the official site. Isn't it all an image need to be. The text here, isn't the important part and is still readable anyway. Here just to prove it's not "stolen" or anything: http://www.idwpublishing.com/newreleases.shtml --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 14:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
: I know it's not stolen. We can probably manage to wait one more day until the actual issue comes out and we can have something of useable size to scan. The image, at the size it was, was useless. (Also, we should avoid having full pages up, unless absolutely necessary. Otherwise it's not exactly fair use.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== And the Lord said "DUDE". And it was groovy. ==

For the record, and I know this counts for almost nothing, Willis is the reason I'm here. Yeah, I love wikis, I love Transformers, and I (rather inexplicably) adore the Jumpstarters, but I wouldn't know about Teletraan 1 if not for the blog on Shortpacked!.

So, yeah. That's all I gotta say for now... rawkon, Walkyboy. \m/

:I hate you. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

::What the slag is Shortpacked, and who in the Pit is this Willis? --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 17:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
:::You aren't serious, are you? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

== Pie ==
What exactly is the great importance of Pie? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:As the ratio of the circumfrence to the radius of a sphere, it underpins the structure of our universe.
:Of course, some people argue that because no perfect circle exists in out quasi-raster universe, pi is actually nothing that a unique mathematical phenomena, of no consequence ot the real world.
:(These people are communists.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

== disambuig question ==

When a character shares a name with an episode, do both pages get a series tag, or just the episode? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Are we talking about Chase? He's the only one that wouldn't get a (G1) otherwise, that I can think of... I would tentatively say that having the TF be [[Chase]] and the episode be [[Chase (Armada episode)]] would be fine. Of course, we might need a disambig page to encompass [[Chip Chase]], I dunno. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hey Walky, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS that you can see at [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]]

It's Wikipedia's pretty able classes. Wikia (buizarely) comes with ''no'' table classes. We dont' use tables much here, but should we want to, we'd want them to look like this. (And this is the class all the wikipedia-how-to-create-a-table tutorials tell you to use.) The code is unaltered from Wikipedia, so it won't conflict with anything.

Appreciate it if you could port it over for me.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
: Where do I put it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, sorry, I forgot you hadn't done this before.
::Please append the requested change from the CSS discussion area [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]] to the end of the actual CSS file [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], which you can edit but I cannot.
::The lack of these table styles is moderately more pressing than it was when I originally requested them, since we now have an article that actually uses tables -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

== online update ==

When you talk about online updates, maybe a direct link should be required (if it's official and everyhing and stuf...).

:... for what? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe I have I have missunderstood, but when he talk about "online update", he talk about material that have been put on official sites or something, and therefore, for completition sake, a link to it would be appropriate. If I have get it wrong, or if those sites require payment to be accessible, then forget what I say...
:::It is indeed pay content for the Fan Club. A direct link would not work. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Alright.

== Scale question ==
Hi there, this is PacifistPrime, the originator of the new [[Scale]] article. Thanks very much for your contributions. Just one question though; you've changed some of the estimated "real world" heights for characters like Prime and Bumblebee, stating that they "have been calculated". I don't mean to disagree with you ''per se'' (although I must admit your figures do instinctively strike me as unlikely, but that's just my guestimate), but I was wondering if you could please source those figures. Not so much in the article itself (believe me, I'm very sick of the bluenoses over at Wikipedia always being on peoples' case about that), but rather just for my own personal interest. I've actually wanted for some time now to set up a project that would use the toys and specs for the real vehicles to calculate how big most of the pre-Movie G1s would be. But if someone has already done this, I'd love to know their results, and I'd be particularly interested in their method. Can you give me some directions? Please respond in my own talk page, if you don't mind. Hope to hear from you, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source LV once figured it out using real vehicle lengths and stuff.]
:Also, a trend in the article seems to be overunderestimating the size of the Transformers in the cartoon, for example, saying that Optimus Prime would "only" be 20 feet tall, versus the giant size you believe he is. We've got lots of model sheets available to us that show that Optimus Prime was drawn to be 15-ish feet, or 3 Spikes tall. Now, the comic tended to draw the Transformers much, much larger than that, but in the cartoon, they were kinda dinky, though that's of course not incredibly consistent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== ''The Enemy Within Part 2'' ==

I'm wanting to start writing an article for ''The Enemy Within'', but there is one slight problem. My scans of the issue (saved from Seibertron and TCA before the comic scans were taken down) are missing pages 9 and 10 (the last two color pages) from part 2, and from what I've been able to dig up from the Wayback Machine, the scans used on the various sites never had those two pages (or a few from ''The Man Of Iron'' UK printing, and page 8 from UK #6). I'm not sure if this is kosher, but any idea where I might be able to "acquire" those two pages? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
: Gimme an email address. I may have them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::fortressmaximus05 (at) verizon.net --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Blog not wiki ==
Hey man, that's totally fair enough; realise I was on a bit of a rave there about Masterpiece Megs. Still, you didn't have to be impolite about it. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]. P.S. I wouldn't be caught dead writing a blog. Got much better things to do with my time. Like edit this wiki. ;-)
:Me again. I seem to stuff up on your watch pretty regularly, huh? Sorry about the E.J.Su cover thing; I honestly thought that WAS him for some reason. So much so, in fact, that I was wondering myself why the style seemed a little inconsistent with his other work...! Do you know who ''did'' do it? I expect was it the same dude who did the "Uncle Prime" recruitment poster. Later, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:: I had already immediately edited the file to note the name of the artist. It's right there, man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== one more Dinobot question ==

I'm wanting to try the part swap you did with your BWX Dinobots, but have one problem. Is there a way to remove the upper half of the molds upper arms without messing up the pegs and holes? Years ago, I removed those parts from my FoxKids Dinobot, but after re-assembling him, the arms would often pop off while rotating the shoulder swivel. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The bicep piece, you mean? I haven't had any trouble with it. I just yanked it out of its socket, unscrewed it from the elbow, swapped, and voila. Worked same as before. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Just Sayin' Hi ==

Ok, this is embarassing.

I've been on the TFWiki a while now, and on a lot of discussion pages I've posted on, you're the first or second person to answer a question or comment on my post.

I also read Shortpacked and didn't know you were... well, you.

It was seemingly at random I clicked on your link to see your page and, lo and behold, you're the reason for so much joy and pain, the grand well of Transformers knowledge, the de facto LEGENDARY user who knows how many punctuation marks are in the title of seemingly random comics... from EUROPE.

I simply want to say that it's an honor for me to be able to collaborate with you on this project. Transformers has always been a big part of my childhood, and now my adulthood. I'm starting up the UniCronicles (see my page for more details) and yours, along with several other webcomics I read, have inspired me. I thank you for Shortpacked, your contribution to Teletraan I, and, of course, for making fun of that ditzy purple skank. I mean, am I the only one who noticed she was like 3 million years the senior of most of the ''Cybertron'' cast? Granny's got her freak on.

Anyway, keep making teh funniez. I'll keep reading them. [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

: Allow me to translate - SLURRRRRRP SLURP SLURP SLURP SLURRRRRRRRRRP mmm SLURRP SLURP SLURP please not in my hair SLURP SLURP SLURP [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
::You know, normally I try to keep things clean, organized, and polite, especially when it comes to something like this. But just this once, I'm going to say it. Fuck all y'all. I don't give a flying rat's ass about what you think about me, so go fornicate yourself with a barbed iron rod. Just because I admire one man's work doesn't mean I'm some mindless suck up, and you would let Aaron Archer assfuck you (no lube). [[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 12:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::: It's okay. Nobody ever listens to Hooper. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh well. So then. Thoughts on Alternators Ravage (Jaguar XK-9)? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

::Allow me to translate - SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE PLEASE HEY LOOK WACKY HOOP LOOK LOOK HEY LOOK MEEE SO LONELY --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

:::If somebody kills his lonely, can we get a necromancer?--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:And Hoop's comment was ''so'' unfair. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Transformers Chess Set ==

Do you know anything about the upcoming Tranformers Chess set? All I know is that Autobots are gold, and Decepticons are silver. And what should we do about an article? Just call it "Chess" or "Transformers Chess"? Plus, can anyone confirm whether or not Bumblebee is the pawn for the Autobot side? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
: Well, there's going to be two sets, one that's really expensive and in color and featuring show-accurate G1 dudes -- and the one you speak of, which is movie-related. Do we know what they say on the box, yet? I suppose we could have one article at [[Chess set]] or something that talks about all kinds of TF chess sets. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Unless there's something that really makes the sets remarkable or stand out as deserving individual mention, I move for one article about all Transformers versions of Chess, with a note about [[fulstasis]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think just [[Chess]] is a better title than [[Chess set]]. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I suppose a single page would be in order. Even if they are remarkable and awesome and whatever, there's still little to be said, other than a list of who is what piece and where/when it's available. I have to agree with calling it [[Chess]], thought. [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 07:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

1 page.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 19:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

P.S. in the movie set, pawns are autobot symbols. BB might be in the G1 set.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 19:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Please remove (or at least justify) block ==
Um,
Excuse me, but... what the heck? (Block ID #49)

Why on earth have you blocked me? VANDALISM? Are you kidding?!?

Is this about the two snarky little comments spilled over from the Movie-G1-IDW categorisation micro-debate? i.e., the ones that were already deleated from the Movie pages well over a week ago and are thus no longer an issue at all? Have you seriously blocked me over that? Good lord...

Okay, maybe those TWO very SMALL comments were SLIGHTLY out of order, but to call it
vandalism...! This isn't Wikipedia, mate. If you wanna start policing sarcastic
comments and POV material then you've got a loooong task ahead of you on this
site, don't you think? Blocking me for those comments hardly seems rational.

That you wanted to delete them? Fine. But to BLOCK me for it? C'mon; get real.

I am a comparatively new user, but one in good standing who has contributed several articles and is polite in all discussions at every turn, far more so than some other users here that I've observed. I've noticed that on more than one occasion you have had somewhat grumpy reactions to things I have to say, so I'm more than a little suspicious that this block isn't some kind of vindictive action on your part, as you seemingly have some kind of problem with me, although I can't imagine on what basis.

This block is clearly absurd, and not at all in the spirit of fun and good
humour I've come to love about this site. I don't see how you can reasonably justify this action, and I am also complaining about this to your fellow adminstrator.

Yours indignantly, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
: For your information, I banned you right BEFORE I deleted your vandalism. It wasn't a week-later thing, no. And, yes, if you're going to end a long Talk Page discussion in which you were overwhelmingly outvoted by editing '''the articles themselves''' with retaliatory comments, then, yes, that's vandalism. Certainly, if that's going to be the nature of your contributions here, then you don't belong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

::With all due respect this is a massive overraction. I'm prepared to apologise to anyone you want me to, but you seem to be attributing all kinds of deviant, troublemaking behaviour to me that is simply NOT truthfully accurate. Don't take my word for it: please look at my history of contribution and discussion with other users. I've always been scrupulously polite and have never gotten into an edit war with anyone.

::So, Okay, yes, if you really want me to say it: I DID A BAD THING. I'm sorry. Don't you guys have some kind of strike system? To permanently ban me over this small piece of sarcasm really seems excessive, don't you think?

::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::You're not permanently banned! Steve-o says it was for three months, but I don't think I would have done it for that long on purpose. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Stereo is annoying. Can we pick a talk page and stick with it? (I nominate this one.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Regardless, I've unblocked you for the three months and reblocked you for an additional week starting today, as I intended to block for two weeks. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, dude. You seem to be a step ahead of me. I'm not trying to foul you up. Please feel free to delete my erroneous edits. I was trying to say that G2 Breakdown (the AM) was unofficial. Just hadn't gotten to it yet!--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 03:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

== DS Pics ==
Question for you since you've got the Autobots DS card- Does it have the USS Seaspray docked in Tranquility's harbor in the Autobots version?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
: Yeah! Heh. I didn't notice that, but I see the name now. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:: Probably old news, but there's an available mode meant as a Hoist homage too. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:08, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone get a shot of [[Create-A-Bot (Autobot)]]? Unfortunately I don't have anything that would have the clarity or resolution to get a good shot of his head.

By-the-by, Walky. He kinda looks like a silhouette of Ratchet. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

==Bobby Bolivia Trivia==
Wow, you're right. I totally misinterpreted that. To be fair (shift blame) the same bit of trivia on Bumblebee's page wasn't as clear at the time it was written. So..um.. yeah. But you know, now that it's evident that they kinda paid exactly what it was worth, I fail to see how that bit of trivia is even relevant to the article now.
It should probably just go altogether. [[User:Atomic spaceman|Atomic spaceman]] 14:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

==Fandom page==
Listen, hate to bother you, but there is ''massive'' edit war going on at [[Fandom]]. Could you please just semi-protect (or totally protect) the page while people try to figue out what to do? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

==BANNED==

What the hell did I do to warrant a ban, exactly? As far as I'm aware, I don't even think I broke any rules, and if I did, an official warning would be appropriate. I received no such warning. I was not here for trolling and you know that - you use that bullshit excuse to get people to ignore arguments you can't handle. But you, personally, who made this decision, know I'm not a troll.

This is fucking low. I had little enough respect for you down to your ranting against the fanbase, Willis, but this is a whole new level of buggery. If you're going to use your comic to rant against and discredit people you don't like, the least you can do is suck it up when people rant at you back, and not act like a control-freak child.

I really don't think you're aware of your own actions anymore.
*Do the words [[Wikipedia:WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] mean anything to you? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Do the words "warning before ban" mean anything to you? Rulemongering doesn't justify a decision anyway, since Walky is one of the people making the rules. There were plenty of personal attacks leveled at me, but I did not report them officially.

::I really find it hard to believe that you think it's completely on a rational level of discourse to claim that the comic strip I draw is about child pornography. If I'm not mistaken about your identity, you've been banned from almost every single Transformers web board you've had an acquaintance with, and I'm only doing this place a favor by getting rid of you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::: That's not an excuse. I will openly admit I HAVE been banned from several forums, but only because I repeatedly opposed the staff on each and every one of them; and with good cause, they all have roughly the same problem. People bully others either into liking the movie or to agree with the kind of views you promote - and since nobody can directly attack or discredit anyone, these people(and you are) are left to their methods.
::: For your current decision to be validated, the admins of those boards, boards which are influenced in turn by your anti-fan attitude, would have to be near 100% correct in their decisions, and those decisions would have to occur within a context that would map exactly onto here. Any rational moderator does not base their decisions so much off performance on other boards, especially when it's not even a messageboard they're operating. Two different media. I have openly said I despise all active Transformers boards for their level of authoritarianism, yet level of tolerance towards the pushing of certain viewpoints.

::: Not to mention that you're still operating under the fallacy of Appeal to Majority - that alone means I shouldn't really even have to counter you.

::: And don't even use the "CHILD PORNOGRAPHY" thing as an excuse. Again, any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban, I personally reversed that edit even though it was obviously intended to be a joke as anyone reading this knows what pile'o'bile already is. You have no justification for what you did, but your ego is too big to realise you can actually do wrong with your power. You'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if some part of you is pissed that I defeated some of your ramblings, whether they were directly written by you or encouraged by you, it's still the kind of guff you normally blew, and I managed to defeat it. You, and the mods of the big sites will always have your ban buttons - but you will NEVER be able to justify your actions to me. That's how I know that I'm in the right, at least in situations like this - solidly backed justification is almost always absent.
:::: Personal attacks + deleting comments in response to you = banno --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::: P.S. Sign your posts. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: I have never intentionally deleted comments in response to me. I just moved one recently as it was in the middle of a paragraph of text. Not to mention that happened after you banned my original IP. Personal attacks alone are not grounds enough for a ban, especially when you're doing an awful, awful lot to be mercilessly torn into.
Need I point out that once again, you are unable to defend yourself properly? When does the "You're insane?" come? Ganging up of all your little friends since a majority always means you're right?
Do you even realise what a fascist shithead you sound like? Just because you're an admin of a place doesn't give you a free pass to be a dick with it. There's a difference between what you can do and what you should do that you don't seem to have learned yet.

[[User:67.159.44.88]]

: YOU BAN PEOPLE BECAUSE ****YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE

TRUTH****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111twelve FUCKING FASCIST PIGCOP NAZI WIKIPEDO '''ASSHOLE''' [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:: My gosh, now that I have seen someone mock the notion, it MUST be untrue. Please, where can I learn these 1337 debating skills?

:::Dude, I've been banned from twice as many forums as you, guaranfuckingteed, but they still let me post here because I'm not as goddamn retarded as you are. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: And can you demonstrate exactly how I'm more retarded than you? Or are you just, Walky style, dropping weighted terms to discredit someone's point of view without even trying?

:::::1. Hoop doesn't delete other people's comments on talk pages. 2. He actually signs his posts, which you've been asked to do many times, but haven't caught on. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I didn't delete anything. If I did, it was an accident because someone posted right in the middle of text it wasn't meant to be in the middle of. Not signing my posts doesn't make me retarded since it's blatant when I'm saying something. --[[User:67.159.44.88]]

Actually - come to think of it, you make fun of the idea that anyone running a site can be Nazi, yet you still mention you got banned from many forums. Does that perhaps mean that you genuinely got banned for being an asshole and not opposing the staff/local clique like I did?

:''any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban''
:Not true, some things are auto-ban. I don't think you ''did'' any of them, but I'm just saying.
:Dude- you got an expedited ban because you showed no signs of contrition, argued every point, used personal insults, refused to sign your posts even when '''repeatedly asked to''' (I had to go back into history and dig out which incoherent chunks of text where yours, because the posts weren't hierarchied properly so the debate was really hard to follow. This is why signin posts is important dumbfuck.)
:And ultimately you got banned because you were making a major nuisance of yourself in ''without'' any correlating '''contribution''' to justify keeping you around. You're a negative. You edited 3 articles- Fandom, Shortpacking and Ruined Forever- and ''all' of those edits got reverted because they either flames or crappy jokes that make the articles ''worse''. Even if I were to (generously) believe you didn't intend to start a fight, you picked the 3 flamebaitiest articles you could find and masturbated across them. ''Allah forfend'' you should write an ''episode summary'' or something.
:Unrelated- Walky can Talk:Fandom be semi-protected instead of full? Loserbot isn't registered. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]01:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

==Entertainment footer==

Hi David -- I'm working on a project for Wikia to help link the TV wikis together, and encourage people to see this as one big site, rather than a lot of little wikis. I'd like to post this footer at the bottom of the main page.{{w:youngtv}}

The gaming wikis have started a similar project, and they've seen a lot more cross-traffic. Would it be okay to post this at the bottom of the main page here? You could also feel free to edit it, to fit in better with this community. -- [[User:Toughpigs|<font color="Blue">Danny</font>]] ([[User talk:Toughpigs|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]]) 01:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:Hi -- I haven't heard from you about this, so I guess it's okay? I'll add it... Please let me know if there's a problem. Thanks! -- [[User:Toughpigs|<font color="Blue">Danny</font>]] ([[User talk:Toughpigs|<font color="Blue" size="1">talk</font>]]) 14:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
==Megatron==
Sorry, accidentally reverted Megatron (G1) - have fixed 0_o apologies for that![[User:Bento180|Bento180]] 12:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
:The heck did you do, man? It's broken, and I can't successfully reupload it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
::I think something's screwy with the image server. I've tried resizing some of the embedded images to mess with layout on some articles, and I'm getting broken images.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 14:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

== image issues ==

re you able to see the images? They aren't loading for me. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for helping out with the Robot Heroes page. I'm still new to the whole Wiki thing. :) --[[User:DarkPrime|DarkPrime]]

== "Stolen Prototypes" ==

I was under the impression that we just weren't allowed to use the photos of stolen prototypes. Certainly we can say that they're planned figures, right?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 18:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
: We don't have any information on the wiki from unannounced future toy releases. It's always been that way. (Also, note the header says "ANNOUNCED but uncategorized yadda yadda." Those four were shown at BotCon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, gotcha. Thanks.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 19:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

== Category: Things that don't exist ==

psst... [[Transformers Wiki:Title blacklist]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:I've been trying to tell people that since Angela made it! I've even laid out the instructions on the talk page! -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe he ''likes'' having to repeatedly delete it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Blocking Policy ==

To Stop the Problem user is by making a Blocking policy and delete Assaultheads records including all Sockpuppet Talkpages and the users talkpage. Also do not forget his userpage as well.([[User:69.228.38.189|69.228.38.189]] 21:00, 20 December 2007 (UTC))
: How retarded do you think I am? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey A [[Blocking Policy]] is needed because your boss Sannse the girl that hired you commands you to make one. Angela wishes to create a blocking Policy for all Wikis ask SFH about Blocking policy and maybe he will help you out.([[User:69.228.38.189|69.228.38.189]] 21:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC))

== Tip ==

If persistent trolls (especially those with offensive usernames) repeatedly re-create their user talk pages, the best method to deal with it would be to include the page on [[Project:Title blacklist]] and delete the vandalism user talk page. This would be better than protecting the actual page since the the vandalism page would technically not exist, won't come up in searches, and won't be indexed on search engines. In addition, the removal of such pages might discourage the trolls since they may see those pages as their accomplishments, which would encourage them to continue their disruption. [[User:GHe|GHe]] ([[User talk:GHe|Talk]]) 00:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

==Assaulthead==
[[User:Super Ducky|He's back]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:[[user:ANGELAGOTHUMPBYHERADMINs|And again]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:40, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Joepedia permission ==

You'll be happy to know that I have posted on the community talk forum as you suggested. I'll wait for the consensus. Thanks for letting me know before I stepped on EVERYBODY's toes. --[[User:Destron Commander|Destron Commander]] 06:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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== Continuity / Timeline ==
I'm trying to make some sense of how the various major continuities are handled, overview-wise. Some have their own continuity page; IDW's just got a timeline, with overview stuff shoved here and there among the individual miniseries. Some don't have anything. Some, like the G1 cartoon, are not much more than lists. The ones that exist tend to be hard to find, aren't categorized uniformly, etc... is there a master format for this stuff?{{unsigned|Repowers|12:15, 29 October 2007}}
:There is no master format for continuity pages. Please feel free to make one! It would be a good thing to have! --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:: You know, I think it would be hot if once we got more timelines up, we began putting Chronology links to the timetable on the story pages. Several Dreamwave comic pages have them, and I think IDW comics should too, since IDW really isn't telling the story in a linear fashion.--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 09:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Sounds like a good idea. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 13:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::Would it make sense to have an overview writeup at the start of each timeline, a few paragraphs or so? Or should "continuity" be a separate page? Where should a chronological list of issues go -- publisher's page, continuity page, timeline page? That's not such a problem with, say, Marvel G1, but Dreamwave's a little messier, IDW's all over the place, and gods help you if you want to sort out the mess that is Marvel UK. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 14:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:: A continuity page should have the following (in my opinion):
:: * A one-paragraph description of the continuity, not more than a few sentences long.
:: * A list of what media belongs to this continuity (which can include some stuff that's vaguely contradictory, but should exclude stuff that's way out there, like Earthforce relative to G1 comics). This can be sorted by publication order, or internal chronology, but if there's a major difference between the two, it should be spelled out.
:: * An overall description of the main events in that continuity, focusing on the events actually chronicled (not the distant past). In particular, for most continuities, changes in the leadership of either side, the changing status (living/dead, present/absent, duplicated by Straxus/encoded on a floppy, etc.)of the big two leaders (usually Optimus Prime and Megatron), any events involving Unicron or Primus, and introductions of major teams or groups of characters (Headmasters, Fuzors) should be in the summary.
:: * If necessary, a timeline, which may end up integrated with one of the above parts.
:: * Pointers to important and closely-related continuities (again, such as Earthforce), discussion of divergences, etc. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::All that sounds pretty good, though I wouldn't get too hung up on following individual characters too much, even the leaders. In Marvel G1, at least, they changed over on a pretty regular basis.
:::On a related note... this and a lot of other overview-type pages are really lost in the shuffle. They should be top-level pages, with everything branching off of them and linking back to them, but instead they're buried and nothing links to them. You start off reading, say, the article on [[Spotlight: Soundwave]]. Where do you go from there to find out more? The IDW issues category? That's the only link out of that page. If you're a newcomer, or even someone with an imperfect memory, how do you know what comes next? Either the individual issue pages need to link to the timeline and continuity pages, or the category page does, or... something.
:::Taking care of it on the category page might be simplest, like what's on the Category:Marvel US issues page. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: Yes, the site is sadly lacking in both "uplinks" and "sidelinks" for the media; links from a TV episode to the TV series, links from an issue of a comic to an overview of the comic, links from one comic to the next comic in that series, etc. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: I'm still poking around and figuring out what's been done and what's needed; it might take a while to figure out how to start cleaning things up. It looks like we've got some random timelines started (still need ones for the Beast era and a few others), as well as continuity pages for some but not all of the major storylines, so I suppose each major continuity should have both kinds of pages. I wonder if there's a way to use a category or subcategory to get individual episode/issue pages to quickly link back to the main overview pages?... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: JW, we do have that comics nav template, though I like the comic infobox on wikipedia more. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: Ah... http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Comicnav ...so we do. Very useful. Now we just gotta propagate it over a few hundred comic issue... :S -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: Also, the nav setup only can link up one level. So Infiltration #2 can link up to the main Infiltration page, but not to the IDW continuity page above that. Would putting a variant of this template on the main page for each miniseries, linking up to the continuity page, work instead? Then you're never more than two clicks away from an individual issue to the continuity overview. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::: That, or somehow add it to the main comicnav template, perhaps in <small>small letters</small> above the series name. I don't wanna step on anyone's toes though. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::: That'd make the most sense, to add a "Continuity" level to the template, or alternately a lower-end "Mini-series" option. But hell if I can make sense out of how these things work... that might be a rainy day project, figuring that out. :\ -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

==Continuity error?==

I've noticed a few errors in episode summaries that are listed as continuity errors, but really aren't. An example from from Divide and Conquer:

<i>Optimus Prime somehow deflects a heat-seeking missile by hitting its warhead with his arm.</i>

I think this would be better described as a technical error. It is an example of a technical fact being misrepresented, not an internal continuity discrepancy. However, the sections titled "Technical and/or animation glitches" seem to only contain technical glitches specifically related to cartoon production. Is this how it should be, or am I just looking at the wrong stories to judge by?

If the latter, great, I'll just move the note. If the former... well, I think that's incorrect, but of course I'll go with it if that's consensus.

Is that consensus? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

:I noticed a couple of things like this on the "Transport to Oblivion" article, and moved them from the "Continuity errors" section to the "Miscellaneous trivia" section, which seemed more appropriate. "Technical and/or animation glitches" should be reserved for actual production errors, and not used for things that are "errors" in the way of not actually making real-world sense. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:49, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
::It'd be far more fun if we had a snarkily-titled section specifically for such things. ie How Can That Be? or WTF? Or at least Improbable Events. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 02:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, what are the categories of "error"? A) '''Animation/Production Error:''' That's clearly huffer, but he's pink. / Starscream is talking in Arcee's voice. / Swoop's arm is seventeen feet away from Swoop's shoulder. B) '''Continuity Error:''' Airraid is present in this shot, but he's supposed to be on Earth. And dead. / Soundwave was present at this battle, though Megatron told him to stay behind and guard his Butterfingers. / Five Faces of Darkness: Passim. C) '''Plot Errors:''' Evil plans that make no sense. / Retreating for no reason. D) '''Science Errors:''' Deflecting missiles by hitting them on the warhead. / Yeah, the Transformers have never heard of ''water,'' right. / Neutron bombs are actually ill-suited for use against robots. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:01, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I can totally get behind an ERRORS. OF. ''SCIENCE!'' subsection. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== Comic Issues Naming Convention ==

Okay, so [[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] and I have gone back and forth on this, so I'm putting it out in the open. He's lobbying for the format to be "Comic Name (issue number)" with the issue number only being there if it's a multi-part story. Personally, I don't care what the spotted heck we use as long as we use the same format for all the comic issues. Thus to get this noticed and foster discussion, here it is. Ideally once we decide something, it'd be great if we could get Walky or Suki to bot-edit everything so we're over and done with that.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 00:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:My reasoning is this: The title of the issue is not "Escalation, part 1", it's merely the first part of the title "Escalation". Also I don't care is we use "Escalation (part 1)", "Escalation (issue 1)" or "Escalation (#1)" as long as we're consistent. Please see my talk page for the conversation with Rosicrucian. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 00:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:I'm a little reluctant to make a universal rule on this sort of thing. Contrary to MistaTee's statement, sometimes the title of a story really ''is'' "Blah blah, Part 1". However, in cases where there is no known title (like most of the IDW issues), I think "Series Name issue #" would be best, much like what we already have for the [[:Category:Dreamwave Armada issues|Dreamwave Armada]] series (except that, of course, normally the publisher's name wouldn't be in the title, it's only there for Armada to differentiate from the Panini series). It doesn't feel right to me to have a comma or a set of parentheses. That's the model I would prefer for the IDW minis. In cases of a multi-part story which has a known title and takes place in a series of a different title, but the individual parts do not have titles, we can't use the word "issue". So... then I guess either "Story Name, part #" or "Story Name (part #)" is cool with me. I guess I have a slight preference for the comma approach, since it mirrors the way multi-part stories are titled when they are actually given titles. I agree with MistaTee that decapitalizing "part" in those cases is more correct, although it's not an issue that engenders any passion within me. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
::That actually makes a fair amount of sense to me. If we consider that we're treating these as multi-part stories similar to the way they are in the animated series episode summaries, it does follow that it would be "Infiltration, part 1" and so forth in absence of specific issue titles. It works for the miniseries issues, at the least.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 15:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I've sorta grown a fondness toward "issue", since each individual comic IS an issue of a larger title or miniseries. I also favor the parentheses since the word "issue" is not part of the title. When the TPB is released for Escalation, for example, it is not separated by "issue" or "part", etc, it's a free flowing story. Therefore it's simply "''Escalation'' (issue 1)". Now if the issue itself actually uses the word "part" or whatever (as in the UK strips for example) then I have no problem using it. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 16:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
::::I don't think a an article title like "Escalation issue 3" causes any confusion -- the word issue and numeral 3 are clearly not part of the comic's title. It's just saying that the article is about the third issue of Escalation: "{Name of a comic series} issue {issue number}". Parentheticals in article titles, to me, are meant to differentiate between multiple entities that have the same name. The various issues of Escalation do not have the same name -- they have no names at all. "Escalation issue 3" then is a purely descriptive article title which doesn't imply anything about the title of that issue. "Escalation, part 3" avoids my parentheses concern and would be acceptable to me (it is of the form "{Name of a multipart story}, part {part number}"), but I'd rather we explicitly refer to issues as issues when possible. In self-analysis I can't think of a reason for that preference, so it may be arbitrary. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Personally, I ''greatly'' prefer "Comic name, issue #". Or "Comic name, part #". I really don't like the parentheses - we generally have used them solely for disambiguation, and I think we should maintain that. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 05:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::"Issue" has the great advantage of being totally unambiguous. Everyone knows exactly what an "issue" is, as opposed to a "part", a "book", or whatever else. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

As some food for thought, I took a look at the inside covers to see how IDW actually parses things.

*Infiltration uses "The Transformers # _", with "Infiltration" printed a line beneath it.

*Stormbringer uses "The Transformers: Stormbringer # _".

*Escalation uses the "The Transformers" logo with "Escalation" underneath basically as an extension of the logo. Further down on the page is printed "Issue Number ___", with the number actually written out.

*Like Stormbringer, Devastation uses "The Transformers: Devastation # _".

Stormbringer and Devastation have an obvious solution here. Simply drop the "The Transformers:" and just use the "Series Title # _" format. No commas, parentheticals, or extra words needed. It might be simpler to just apply this format to Infiltration and Escalation as well.

However, if we'd rather stick closer to the titles printed in the actual comics, Escalation should probably be "Escalation, Issue Number One" and so forth. I'm not quite sure on Infiltration though, as the way it's formatted in those books doesn't allow for a simple discard of the "The Transformers" part. Keeping that in could mean either "The Transformers # _, Infiltration" or maybe "The Transformers # _ (Infiltration)" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

:More food for thought... I also just checked at the inside covers and discovered a rather consistent pattern. If you look at the small writing at the bottom, all the IDW "-ation" series seem to have it formatted "The Transformers: Infiltration #1", "The Transformers: Escalation #1", "The Transformers: Devastation #1", "The Transformers: Megatron Origin #1", etc. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 08:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'll like to point out that the "#" can't be used in article titles. (Since it's used in links to point to sections.) [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 09:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Dammit, back to square 1, lol. Well on the front cover they all seem to use "issue #X" right under the IDW logo. Without the # symbol, that would be "issue X". If we can decide on the word "issue" at least, we can debate whether to format it as "issue X", "Issue X", "(issue X)" or "(Issue X)" --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 14:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Echoing the "dammit." Personally, I really dislike the current use of (issue X), with its uncapitalized word inside parenthesis. It just looks... wrong... to me. I think "Title, issue X" would be much better, but that's just me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Something worth noting: if we use parentheses, we can use pipe magic on the title in question.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:Example? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::If you link to an article with a parenthetical reference in its title, you can use an empty pipe to auto-fill the link. For example <nowiki>[[Revelation (IDW)|]]</nowiki> gets parsed as [[Revelation (IDW)|Revelation]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Ah, that '''is''' a nice feature. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think pipe magic will be helpful when linking to individual issues, though. If I were going to link to Infiltration #4 I would probably want the link to state which issue it went to instead of making it look like it goes to the series' "hub" page. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Glancing over the more recent posts -- and thanks for chiming in, folks -- it appears that a non-parentheses style is more popular. Further, the IDW books themselves seem to vary the way they write out their titles in minor ways, although the indicia consistently use "{Series Name} #{Issue Number}". This makes me think that my previous suggestion to follow the style "Infiltration issue 4" or "Infiltration, issue 4" is going to be best. I prefer the style without a comma, but it's not a big deal to me either way. Opinions on that? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:If the parentheses are definitely out, I suppose the non-comma version --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 03:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== Current troll problem ==

Is there a way to keep the IP addresses our resident troll has been using from creating accounts? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:Presumably that's the "account creation disabled" part of the block log. So I ''think'' he's hopping IPs before creating winners like [[User:Optimus the F22|Optimus the F22]]--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:The staff at Wikia would probably be able to help. They are aware of Assautlhead, and consider him a cross wiki vandal. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::I looked at Wikia's block log, and the logs shows when it is used. So apperently our admins haven't been making use of it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 01:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Or at the least that there's a difference between local account creation and global account creation. I'll admit I'm a little fuzzy on the distinction regarding how Wikia works versus a more standard wiki.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

YOU WILL SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT ASSAULTHEAD OR I WILL BEAT YOU UP FAST THAT YOUR FUCKING HEADS WILL SPIN! THAT NAME MAKES ME SICK!([[User:64.58.144.10|64.58.144.10]] 09:44, 23 November 2007 (UTC))

Guess who recently got handed a permanent block at Wikipedia and is back to haunt us?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

:Assuming this is the same guy that's been trolling here for awhile, if I recall correctly, Walky was the one who asked the rest of us if he should ban the guy immediately, because he was too entertaining. True, while the guy could have returned as easily as he later did regardless of how quickly he was banned and Walky wouldn't have known the guy would continually return if banned, tolerance of trolling stupidity just encourages more stupidity, I've observed. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:17, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

::We are indeed aware of Assaulthead. He has been globally blocked, and informed of the reasons for it, and we are encouraging him to find another community on the Internet where he would be more welcome. Your best course of action now is to allow his exit to be a quiet one. Talking about him on the wiki only encourages him to come back and keep reading and "retaliating", instead of moving on and getting involved elsewhere. Please delete [[:Category:Troll/Assaulthead]] and any similar pages discussing his disruptions. You may of course continue to delete his edits, and to block the accounts or IPs he uses to evade his block, but please use neutral, boring edit and blocking summaries. Thanks, best wishes, and let me know if there's anything else I can do to help this wiki out! — [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]<staff/> <small>([[User talk:CatherineMunro|talk]])</small> 01:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

==Teletraan-1:Blocking Policy==
Is there any chance we can get a blocking Policy? Why does SFH's Wiki has one while some Wikis do not?([[User:EDD!|EDD!]] 00:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC))

== Indonesian version ==

I noticed than an [http://id.transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Halaman_Utama Indonesian version] of this wiki was just launched- could we link to that from the same pull -down menu on the front page that currently just links to the Hungarian version? --[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 17:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

==Administrators==
Any chance we can get at least one more administrator for late hours? If the current idiot rage is any indicator, we need it. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 09:42, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:As far as I can tell, the admins aren't normally online during these hours, because I assume they are located in either the same countries or timezones that aren't too far from each other, which is a problem as this troll guy knows that's the time to attack with less risk of administrative intervention. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:52, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

==Spelling of site name==
I feel like this has been discussed repeatedly, but we still haven't actually done anything about it, and it recently came up again on [[Transformers Wiki talk:User page]]. We've taken to generally writing the name of our wiki and the computer it is named after as "Teletraan I", although the site database still uses "Teletraan-1" instead, meaning that text appears anywhere the wiki SITENAME variable is called. "Teletraan I" is the way the name appears in the original G1 episode scripts and the G1 cartoon bible. Some later but still official spellings omit one of the As, or use an arabic number instead of a roman numeral, or include a hyphen, or any combination of these things. I feel as if we should stick with the original spelling, even though that spelling was only "discovered" in the last 5 years or so and, for all I know, might not even be the most common spelling. Regardless of the spelling that we pick, I am really tired of the inconsistency between our graphic logo and the SITENAME variable, and think we should take one and go with it. I would appreciate it if other users would express their preferences. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:Teletraan I. I'd prefer not to go with fan-originated spellings. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 05:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:I say "Fuck it, we rename the whole thing Vector Sigma, which is a way better name for a repository of TF data anydamnway." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::In THAT case, Underbase. But no, we're probably a little too established as Teletraan I (however you like it spelled) these days. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 12:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and changed the Sitename to "Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki" -- if you change your mind after more discussion, I can change it again. (I'd suggest leaving the "tranformers wiki" portion, however -- this improves your ranking in search engines.)

I have also added "TeletraanI" and "Teletraan1" as additional domain names, so http://teletraani.wikia.com and http://teletraan1.wikia.com both redirect to http://transformers.wikia.com -- hopefully this will also help people typing "teletraan" into search engines to find you. Good luck! — [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]<staff/> <small>([[User talk:CatherineMunro|talk]])</small> 01:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Elements of ideal comic issue ==

We really should standardize pages for common things like comic issues, fer instance. We should find an accepted page that is perfect in format and either use that as the standard or just build an "example page" based on that. Using [[Infiltration (issue 0)]], I propose the following:
* the top of the page should have the 2 most-common covers, rendered to 250px wide, and usually with a humorous comment. Other notable covers can be listed in the Covers section below.
* The Comic Nav box should have the "pretty title" be the exact title as published, and in italics (but linked to the appropriate page)
* 2 lines below the nav box (for spacing), should be a credits listing, usually the Writer/script, Artist/Penciler and inker, Colorist, Letterer and Editor in generally that order. The titles should be bolded.
* Next should be a bullet point for ''Major characters (in order of appearance):'' (title in italics)
* Next, bullet point for ''Originally published:'', also title in italics. If published date is unknown, cover date.
* If available, a 3rd bullet for ''Continuity:''
* after this, use a spacer symbol: <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>

There should be 4 sections using a level-2 header: Synopsis, Quotes, Errors and Items of note. If information is unknown for any of these, please include a bullet point for
* None yet identified

Synopsis:
* General overview of the important elements of the issue's plot

Quotes:
* in quotation marks and italics. The second speaker (if there is one) should be indented. Below, using an m-dash, the speaker should be listed in Bold.

Errors
* self-explanatory

Items of note
* Connections to other issues/continuities/properties/whatever
* special items
* notes about recurring sections such as a letters section, etc.
* Also under Items of note, in level-3 headers, should be a Covers section and a Advertisements section
* Covers should list the number of covers, a very brief description of each and the artist(s)
* Advertisements should at least list Transformers-related ads, although a complete list would be nice.

Whew! OK, let the debates begin! --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

: How about instead of a paragraph for characters, we use that multicolored appearances box like we do for episodes? I like that. It's easier to read. Granted, some issues it'll be huge, but that's true for the cartoon as well. (If worse comes to worse, individuals on subgroups can be condensed down to just the group name.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:: Interesting idea. Might have to rearrange of few things. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

:::Yeh, I think maybe we can use a format similar to that we use for the cartoon episode. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 03:21, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

::::I too support the multicoloured box. Consistency is victory. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 03:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::: I did a mock-up using that style and some re-arrangement. [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:MistaTee/sandbox Have a look.] --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 04:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::: Let's get some more feedback so we can get a standard nailed down. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 12:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:I really do think that for quotations that contain more than two text-boxes worth of dialog, a script format is just simply easier to keep track of, (and this better) also slightly more compact. Oh, and I think my page-by-page listing of character cameos in Beast Wars #1 was cool and should have been kept - even though it's not standard, but that issue did have a ton of characters. Oh, and I really don't like having headers for empty categories, so they should be left out. Since they just make the wiki look incomplete when maybe there just aren't any errors or references or whatever in the issue.--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 16:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with Zodberg about going script-style if there's more than two speakers. Also, I don't see the point of indenting a second speaker -- why not just put a break in and call it a day?
::On a related note, I've seen some really confusing breakdowns of quotes from comic books, attempting to follow the speech bubble pattern by putting each bubble's worth of text on separate lines, even when it's all one speaker. This gives some strange, hard-to-read results and I'm kinda opposed to it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::What do you mean by "script style" exactly? Here's another idea for 2 people exchanging quotes: first person in normal font and second in italics. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 16:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Script-style is when you put each speaker's name before each line of dialogue:
::::'''Optimus:''' Wheeljack, bring back my Doritos!
::::'''Wheeljack:''' I didn't take 'em, Prime! It was Jazz! I don't even have a mouth!
::::'''Jazz:''' Wheeljack, you big tattletale.
::::'''Optimus:''' Jazz, you know the punishment. Give me your agonizer.
::::Putting all the attributions at the end can be very confusing when there are several people speaking back and forth. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, what JW said. For one speaker, "Quote" -- attribution is fine.
:::::For two speakers... why do they need to be distinguished? Thta's what line breaks and quotation marks are for.
:::::"Oh yeah, well, your mom is a cheap -- "
:::::"Hey! Not in front of the humans!"
::::: -- '''Ironhide''' and '''Ratchet'''
:::::I don't see how there's any confusion there. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I'm with Rob and JW here, I think you're severely overcomplicating something that doesn't need it. This is how I handled the quotes from the various Cybertron episodes I did up. (I should get back on those sometime. I'm pretty sure they're still available online.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Ah yes, the script style looks greta for 2 or more speakers --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

==The Recurring Troll Problem==
Wikia people re looking into... solutions. Until then, I propose this plan whenever the recurring troll returns.<br>
1) DO NOT REVERT HIS SHITTY EDITS. This just causes the changes page to be filled with idiot bac-and-forth. Instead, just write them down for a mod to revert/delete.<br>
2) DO NOT TALK TO IT AS IF IT WAS A HUMAN OR A MONKEY. Do not engage.<br>
3) GO TO WIKIA HOME AND GET IN TOUCH WITH A MOD. They can enact wide-reaching bans and such.<br>
--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:I suppose that makes sense. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::By Wikia home you mean... what? #wikia? -15:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Image Copyrights==
I asked awhile ago, and nobody seemed to know, so...

I've always been under the impression that images {{c}} someone else should be credited ''not'' just with a note that they belong to someone else, but a ''year'', for much the same reasons we identify ''who'' the image belongs to rather than simply saying 'we don't own it, but it's fair use.' The more info we provide, the more 'seriously' the copyright is being taken. if we wipe our ass with an unadorned, <nowiki>{{fairuse}}</nowiki> clearly we don't think the holder of the copyright is ''important''... or something.

I have a script I've been poking at. It can run through every image detail page on the wiki through a regular expression and pick out which images don't have copyright owners (Hasbro or Takara-- you're supposed to ID which even if you're using <nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki>,) which don't have dates, and which don't have any sort of copyright notice at all. (A significant chunk of our images have no notices that they belong to someone else.) It could also drop the offending images into categories to be sorted out and properly labeled. (I imagine I'd give it Steve-o and let it do so logged in as the bot to avoid the update-floods.)

...is anyone interested in this? Does it seem like a good idea? Terrible idea? ...Bueler? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Cartoon Episode Format==
I realize we've got a Help page that cites "[[The Agenda, Part 1]]" as a model cartoon episode. But...

First of all, that up-front section on that page looks pretty hideous. IMO, stuff like air date, characters, and writers is less important than the story summary.

Second, while ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' follow this format, ''[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|Generation 1]]'', (some of ) ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'', and the handful of completed ''[[Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' episodes do not. They have a different layout, typified by "[[City of Steel]]"... and again IMO, it looks and works much better, with all the messy stuff like character appearances and air date condensed into a Stats section near the bottom.

'''One-line summary:''' Following the example set by comic pages, I feel that one-line summary ought to be '''bold''', regardless of the format. It lets your eye jump right to the one sentence which immediately tells you what the page is all about.

'''Quotes:''' Oh, those quotes! There must be a dozen different formats for them, most of them ridiculously complex or strange. My nomination for quote formatting on ''all'' episode and comic issue pages is thus:

''A single speaker:''
<BR>"We've got to pull ourselves together and win. That's what makes us a team! Because if we don't act like team we won't be together anymore. And that could mean we'll lose."
:: -- '''Rad''' or '''Carlos''' or someone

''Two speakers:''
<BR>"So you're saying that if we work together, we'll be more of a team? Golly, I never thought of it that way."
<BR>"Uhhhhh?"
:: -- '''Carlos''' and '''Hot Shot''', the latter drooling.

''Three or more speakers or lines:''
<BR>'''Rad:''' "I know if we keep trying we can do this! We musts succeed! For the good!"
<BR>'''Alexis:''' "That's the spirit. If we try then we can win!"
<BR>'''Hot Shot:''' "So what you're saying is... huh."
<BR>'''Carlos:''' "Hey you guys, wait up!!"
<BR>'''Hot Shot:''' "I guess what Carlos is saying is true. We'll have to give it our best shot. What do you think, Leader-1?"
<BR>'''Optimus:''' "I think that we have to win in order to defeat Megatron. And GET THOSE MINI-CONS!"
<BR> -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:I've been doing it this way for months, because the old style kind of blows. Maybe somebody should edit the Help page so we aren't giving newcomers the wrong idea about what we expect in a episode article? It creates a fucking shitload of work to correct an episode article if we go around telling people to do things the wrong way and then we have to fix it ourselves.

::I agree on all counts. If nobody objects after a day or two, I say we change that Help link. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

::As the person who did the Cybertron episode pages, obviously I agree. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I changed it anyway, because even if we later disagree and any episode recap is made in the meantime, it's ''far'' easier to edit a recap down to the old style than it is to update an old recap style to M Sipher's Cyb ep style. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

All sounds fine to me. One thing I consider important is that all the RID episode pages open with haikus, as a bunch (but not all) already do. :) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:I hate you. :P
:RID ep recaps are largely dependant on those of us who go to the trouble of importing those UK DVD sets. Does anybody here actually own them? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:: *raises hand* I've thought about doing summaries, but for whatever reason the Japanese shows won out in my head. I'd do RiD before I'd do Victory, though. Yeeargh. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

::: Any recaps are hard to do. We're struggling to do the Beast Wars recaps, and it's the best series we have... then again BW and BM are very complex, so that helps in difficulty of writing. Off-topic question: Did Metrodome ever fix that subbing problem (where a sub from a later episode is used on an earlier episode) in Headmasters for the big Takara boxset? Trying to weigh which version to get. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

:::: I think it may be a proportionate thing - the better-written the show, the tougher it is to write up. For example, I've only managed half of the really-rather-good Masterforce in three months, whereas the gut-wrenchingly stupid Headmasters was done in a month! Heck, maybe I *should* do Victory, it's the worst of the three in my book, maybe I'd get it all done in a week...

:::: The error didn't get fixed for the Takara Collection boxset, unfortunately... and although I don't have absolutely confirmation of this, I doubt it's fixed for the Madman set either, since there are several other unfixed errors reported. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to say that I think the information such as writer, air date, etc. absolutely does belong right up front, before the summary, for cartoon episodes just as we have it there for comic issues. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

==Ignorant question about Korean Beast Wars==
Hi folks. Been a little while. I was just wondering if anyone could give me a little clarification about something, and if so perhaps could add it to some relevant articles (unless it's already in there somewhere and I'm just not seeing it)?

What I wanted to know is: What is HasTak's position and (presumably) thus ''our'' position on the officialness of the widely available Korean releases of ''[[Beast Wars II]]'' and ''[[Beast Wars Neo]]''? I'm sure you know the ones I'm talking about; you often see [[Big Convoy]], [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]], [[Magnaboss]], [[Megastorm]] etc in these Korean releases. They come in large windowless boxes with pimp box art and are packaged in moulded white plastic trays, and as far as I can tell the toys are absolutely identical to the Japanese releases.

I've long heard many eBay sellers (but I'm not going to blindly trust them) swear up and down that these Korean releases are fully official and liscenced for the Korean market by Takara, and they're also sold by BigBadToystore (who don't generally have much truck with knock-offs) alongside the Japanese releases with only the proviso "Korean Box" stated.

So, does anyone have any clear knowledge on this question? Can one consider these particular Korean releases to be as official as the Japanese releases? I'd really appreciate knowing if someone has any definite info on this. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]

So far as I know, they are definitely official releases. [[User:Dj convoy|Dj convoy]] 00:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:They're official releases under Takara's South Korean subsidiary or distributor Sonokong. I believe it's a way for Takara to get around the cultural divide and resentment in South Korea towards Japan by selling their products through a local company. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks guys, that's a load off. I take it this is the consensus then? If so, it might be good to add it to a few pages there, for others such as me who might be wondering... [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]

:::TV's Grady made [[Sonokong|this]]. We still don't know that much about them. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::It could also be a legal thing-- didn't we get the Antex TF's because laws at the time in Brazil ''required'' the brand to be managed by a domestically-owned company? That would explain why the Korean TF's got their own separate production run instead of just being produced in China like the Japanese TF's. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Europe/Japan/etc-"only" character categories==
So I was thinking about this today... how hard would it be to change these categories a bit? IDW and the Club are pulling characters once found only in Japan and Europe left and right (and 3H grabbed a couple to boot), so "only" is a bit of a misnomer, but the category group is still, I think, an important one to have. Perhaps "-only" should become "-origin", indicating characters whose first appearances were in non-US-first fiction/toylines, regardless of later US appearances? Could a bot handle this change? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:"Japanese-original characters", "European-original characters", "South-American-original characters", mayhaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with you strongly. Thus we can make something not to be confused later day. (e.g. I've already heard someone say Lio Convoy originate in IDW continuity. Gosh...) By the way, if we really use "-origin", I think Car Robot/RiD characters can be also in this category. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 00:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::: Would the original GeeWon characters be Japan-origin as well? Is this toy-origin or fiction-origin? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::That's a really good question. I think that, since A) this is a fiction-oriented wiki, and 2) "toy originated in Japan, fiction originated in America" is the "default" for the core characters, then we should use the "fiction-origin" definition, unless the character ''only'' has a toy.
::::Um, but what then do we do if a character is produced as ''only'' a toy, ''only'' in Japan, and then ten years later his first fictional appearance is in America? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Where applicable, consider the Japanese tech specs/bio its first fictional appearance. Even the ''Operation: Combination'' Micromasters and such had minimal write-ups in ''TV Magazine'' before the reissue bios gave some of them more personality. Otherwise, note the toy existed under a given name in Japan, but did not exist as a ''character'' until brought into U.S. fiction. Mind you, the only Japan-original toys that come to my mind as qualifying are the limited-edition Mini-Cons/Microns. There are doubtless many I'm forgetting.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I think that's overcomplicating the issue. The Boosters and limited Microns that are getting first-time Club bios would fall under the Japan-origin deal. I mean, just because a toy doesn't have a bio, that doesn't mean it's not a character... it just doesn't have any character''ization''. It's still an individual. Otherwise, even several Japanese-ONLY characters wouldn't qualify, like Shuffler or the Godmaster Warriors... and most of the South American guys wouldn't qualify for their own national-origin category. The ''Diaclone / Microman''-origin TFs from 84/85 would ''not'' fall under this because their premier ''as Transformers'' was in the US. One could make a case for the ''Car Robots'' characters being in the category, but the ''RID'' additions to the line would not. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:I like this idea. The change can be made pretty easily with the [[User:DiagnosticDrone|DiagnosticDrone]], but that will have to wait until I'm back at my home PC instead of travelling for the holidays. In the meantime, continue to hash out exactly how you want to do them. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
::I think I can help with the work during my holidays after the decision is made. :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 06:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't bother. It's a task that can be accomplished by the bot with almost zero effort on my part. Also, bot edits are hidden by default on the Recent Changes list, so that way nobody will have to look at a hundred category-change edits in a row. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:46, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Got it, thanks! ;D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 12:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I figured that "how we want to do them" would be to basically take every instance of "(nation/market)-only characters" and simply change them to "(nation/market)-origin characters". It'd really only be a category name-change, effectively. We would probably then add a few guys to it, like Stepper-Ricochet and the ''Car Robots'' original dudes. That's about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:There are a lot of potential wordings, though. A few have already been mentioned in this discussion. "Japan-origin characters", "Japanese-origin characters", "Characters of Japanese origin", "Japan-original characters"...? I kind of prefer a "characters of..." form because it sounds more natural, but it's also wordier. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
::It also runs counter to all the other "________ characters" categories we have, like "cartoon-only characters", "Masterforce characters", etc.
::I think I like the "Japanese-original characters" wording. It's a bit less ambiguous. Of course, the category page would need a slight "these appeared FIRST as characters outside of US stuff, even though they may later have been put in US stuff"
disclaimer (if there isn't one already). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:05, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I think maybe we should rearrange the categories & sub-categories. Something like:
::::*Category: ''Characters of Japanese origin'' (temporary name)
::::**(sub)Category:The Headmasters characters
::::**(sub)Category:Masterforce characters
::::**(sub)Category:Victory characters
::::**(sub)Category:Zone characters
::::**(sub)Category:Return of Convoy
::::**(sub)Category:Operation Combination characters
::::**(sub)Category:Beast Wars II characters
::::**(sub)Category:Beast Wars Neo characters
::::**(sub)Category:Car Robot characters
::::**(sub)Category:''Japanese Unicron Trilogy characters'' (temporary name)<ref>Such as [[Falcia]] etc</ref>
:::--[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:59, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
:::<references/>
::::This is a bad idea; not everyone in each of those series is J-origin. In fact, the overwhelming majority of, say, Headmasters characters are not. Also, why would we have a "Car Robots characters" category? There's already an RID category, and everyone in ''that'' sure isn't J-origin. All this is supposed to be is a category rename to accommodate the international borrowing that's become more prevalent in the last year or so while retaining the point of the categories; noting characters that weren't created by/for Hasbro US series. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Oops, I forgot to make it clear. I didn't mean all characters from "Category:The Headmasters characters" are J-origin. But some characters such as Raiden, Bodiless Headmasters and some others are surely J-origin. Umm, but there is still some problems as you said, it's really difficult to separate FortMax, Chromedome and others from the category. And there's similar issue for CR guys.
:::Errr, I'm not good at explain. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 15:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Suggested change for disambig pages ==

As disambig pages start getting... er... ''long'', I'd like to suggest that each entry be prefaced by a ''year'' that character first appeared since we already put them in chronological order.

An example of a year'd disambig page can be seen here [[User:Derik/Sandbox5]] vs. the original [[Prowl|here]].

Does anyone else think this is a good/terrible idea ''in principle'', momentarily putting aside issues of implementation/formatting etc? Is it worth exploring? (This seems like a good middle-solution that keeps disambig pages easy to use as they get long.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
: I don't mind the idea, but mostly I just want to mention that 2004 was a really good year for Prowl. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Well, as for Prowl's case, I really think Derik's version is quite nice. Maybe this will work. :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 12:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Cartoon continuity headings==
Have we decided on a definative format for this yet? most of the pages with characters who appeared in Sunbow's G1 through to the japanese series (and maybe Beast Wars as well) have quite different headings, and I recall we were worried about ''Transformers Animated'' causing problems with all the 'Animated continuity' headings on character pages. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think we had decided on using "cartoon" instead of "animated." So use "cartoon continuity," or for those who appear in more than one cartoon continuity, use "Generation 1 cartoon continuity," "Beast Wars cartoon continuity," etc. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

== Name-Dropping ==

Is there a preferred term for the phenomena where, when new characters are being introduced, they all go out of their way to say each other's name? Or sometimes they say their ''own'' name? (So the kiddies will know which toy to bug their parents for.) [[User:JW|JW]] 16:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:Like that really bad scene in Beast Wars Part 1 where the Maximals decide to give themselves new names? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::Yah, or pretty much any scene in the Marvel comic where we meet a new subgroup. Or the Starscream-Lugnut-Blackarachnia-Blitzwing conversation in T&RO. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:Or even the initial spread introducing all the Autobots in issue 1 of the Marvel series. It's a form of exposition, but I don't know if there's a preferred term for that particular aspect of it. "Sledgehammer exposition" works, but it includes stuff besides just naming oneself or others. (And ''TF: Animated'' managed it in one of the more subtle ways I've seen, even if it was still obvious to us.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::Forced Introduction? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:::"Introdump"? (After [[Wikipedia:Infodump|infodump]].) [[User:JW|JW]] 21:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I, Zodberg, feel that "introdump" is a nice enough term. When I hear the expression "name-dropping" I think of when people casually say names of other people to make themselves look smarter/better-networked.

== Username character limit? ==

Considering Assaulthead's recent not-so-clever usernames, am I the only one who thinks some sort of character limit on usernames is in order? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== External link box to Joepedia ==

Hi everybody, I'd just like to know if it's okay for me to put external link boxes that links a G.I. Joe-related article to Joepedia? Seeing as how G.I. Joe is almost like a sister franchise and if anybody wants to know more about them? I admit Joepedia doesn't seem much right now but eventually, if there are Transformers related articles that pop up there, I'd be willing to accomodate Transformers external link boxes. --[[User:Destron Commander|Destron Commander]] 06:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

G.I. Joe (team)

2008-01-06T05:58:41Z

Destron Commander: /* External links */

[[Image:Joelogo.gif|right]]

'''G.I. Joe''' is the code-name<ref>G.I. Joe's official name is ''Counter-terrorist Group Delta''.</ref> for America's daring, highly-trained special mission force! Its purpose: To defend [[human]] freedom against [[Cobra]], a ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world!

:'''UK name:''' ''Action Force''

==Marvel Comics==
===Marvel US===
====[[G.I. Joe and the Transformers]]====

The G.I. Joe team was assigned to protect [[Power Station Alpha]] from harm, and was involved in the events following its theft and ultimate destruction.

Members involved in this mission included [[Ace]], [[Beachhead]], [[Crankcase (G.I. Joe)|Crankcase]], [[Dial-Tone]], [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|General Hawk]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Lift Ticket]], [[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]], [[Mutt & Junkyard]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], [[Scarlett]], [[Sgt. Slaughter]], [[Slipstream (G.I. Joe)|Slipstream]], [[Snake-Eyes]], and [[Wild Bill]].

====G.I. Joe Starring Snake-Eyes and Transformers Generation 2====

After [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] bargained with Cobra for a new body, the G.I. Joe team attempted to invade and retake a small town under Cobra's control.

Members involved in this mission included ...

====Transformers Generation 2====
The G.I. Joe team continued to be involved in the resurgence of the Transformers' war on Earth.

Members involved in this mission included [[Flint]], [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|General Hawk]], [[Scarlett]], [[Snake-Eyes]], and [[Wild Bill]].

===Marvel UK===
====Action Force: Ancient Relics====
The international Action Force team, investigating the report of a monster in the sewers of London, encounters the menace of Megatron!

Members involved in this mission included [[Airtight]], [[Barbecue]], [[Bazooka (G.I. Joe)|Bazooka]], [[Crankcase (G.I. Joe)|Crankcase]], [[Dusty]], [[Flint]], [[Heavy Metal (G.I. Joe)|Heavy Metal]], [[Scarlett]], and [[Wild Bill]].

''[Note: According to UK continuity, Action Force later merged with the American G.I. Joe organization and took on their name. This was to account for the local switchover of the 'Action Force' merchandise to "G.I. Joe" branding. This likely encompasses the team's appearance in the later-still Marvel US ''Generation 2'' (also reprinted and made available in the UK) comics as G.I. Joe.]''

==Dreamwave==
===[[Transformers/G.I. Joe]]===
In 1938, Europe was overrun by the combined forces of the [[Decepticons]] and [[Cobra]]. G.I. Joe was formed to combat them, and were led to their [[Terrordrome]] in the [[Fera Islands]] by a map carved out of the [[USS Hama]]'s hull by treacherous Cobra operatives. While engaging Cobra troops commanded by [[Storm Shadow]], the Joes encountered the [[Autobots]], who soon repaired and revived themselves. The Joes soon found themselves under fire from a squadron of [[Rattler|Rattlers]] and [[Seeker|Seekers]] led by [[Wild Weasel]], but they were driven back by Lady Jaye and the [[Aerialbots]].

While the Cobra aircraft were driven off, they left behind paratroopers and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]. The Joes managed to defeat the troops, and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and Scarlett destroyed Rumble, but [[Zartan]] managed to murder and replace Breaker in the confusion. He was quickly discovered, but not before he allowed [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to capture Flint.

Storm Shadow left the main Cobra force to engage in a deadly duel with his sword-brother Snake-Eyes, now a member of G.I. Joe. Despite the intervention of [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], Snake-Eyes defeated Storm Shadow, who was then eaten by a shark.

Soon, Cobra prepared to defend the town of [[Torhavn]] against the approoaching Autobots and Joes, using slaves as human shields. Another Cobra air attack was foiled by Lady Jaye and [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]; soon afterwards, Lady Jaye defeated [[Major Bludd]] and the [[Dreadnoks]]. Meanwhile, a small Joe strikeforce infiltrated the Terrordrome, destroying [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] in the process.

As the Joes, Autobots, and an Allied fleet neared, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] destroyed Superion and a number of ships, damaging himself severely in the process. But despite heavy losses, the Autobots soldiered on.

[[Destro]] and the [[Baroness]] took advantage of the chaos to unleash their monstrous creation [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] upon both sides - but not before slaying their co-conspirator, Starscream. Bruticus' attack crippled Cobra Commander, allowing the Baroness to execute him with Megatron's pistol form. Her victory was short-lived - before the Commander's body could cool, she and Destro were arrested by Scarlett and Snake-Eyes. As the metal monster tore through the Autobots, Snake-Eyes took the Matrix from the Commander's corpse and destroyed it, killing the Autobots, Decepticons, and Bruticus and ending the threat of Cobra.

Members involved in this mission included [[Beachhead]], [[Breaker]], [[Duke]], [[Flint]], [[Grunt]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Leatherneck]], [[Lifeline]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], [[Scarlett]], [[Snake-Eyes]], and [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]].

===[[Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front]]===
Some 45 years after the conquest of Europe, Cobra rose again, and G.I. Joe returned to combat it. Headquartered in the [[Pit]], G.I. Joe was led by Duke, a veteran of the last Cobra war. In 1985, a G.I. Joe team led by Flint attacked a Cobra shipping facility. While the facility was largely destroyed, [[Destro]] and [[Scrap-Iron (Cobra)|Scrap-Iron]] managed to escape via [[Trouble Bubble]], an act that led to Flint being reprimanded. Soon afterwards, the Joes detected the crash of an [[Autobot]] shuttlecraft near [[Portland]]. Flint was sent to retrieve it with a team of rookies, and managed to repel a Cobra strike team and recover an unconscious [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]. Hours later, the team was briefed by Duke, Stalker, and Scarlett on the threat posed by the [[Transformers]].

Members involved in this mission included [[Airtight]], [[Alpine]], [[Barbecue]], [[Bazooka (G.I. Joe)|Bazooka]], [[Blowtorch]], [[Clutch (G.I. Joe)|Clutch]], [[Cover Girl]], [[Doc]], [[Duke]], [[Flint]], [[Grand Slam (G.I. Joe)|Grand Slam]], [[Gung-Ho (G.I. Joe)|Gung-Ho]], [[Mutt & Junkyard]], [[Quick Kick]], [[Rock'N'Roll]], [[Scarlett]], [[Shipwreck]], [[Snake-Eyes]], [[Spirit]], [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]], and [[Wild Bill]].

''[Note: As [[Dreamwave]] went bankrupt after only one issue of this series was published, it is unknown whether Snake-Eyes is in any way related to his 1930s counterpart.]''

==Devil's Due==
===G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers===
After Cobra discovered the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and turned the Transformers within it into remote-controlled war machines, the G.I. Joe team was formed to oppose them.

Members involved in this mission included [[Ace]], [[Barbecue]], [[Bazooka (G.I. Joe)|Bazooka]], [[Breaker]], [[Clutch (G.I. Joe)|Clutch]], [[Dial-Tone]], [[Doc]], [[Duke]], [[Flash (G.I. Joe)|Flash]], [[Flint]], [[Gung-Ho (G.I. Joe)|Gung-Ho]], [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Leatherneck]], [[Lifeline]], [[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]], [[Mercer]], [[Mutt & Junkyard]], [[Quick Kick]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], [[Rock'N'Roll]], [[Scarlett]], [[Sci-Fi]], [[Shipwreck]], [[Snake-Eyes]], [[Spike Witwicky]], [[Spirit]], [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]], and [[Wild Bill]].

===[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II]]===
Two years later, an attempt by Cobra to seize control of [[Teletran 3]] resulted in several Transformers being sent to various eras in Earth's history, threatening to catastrophically alter the timestream. Cobra and G.I.Joe were forced to work together to neutralize the threat.

Members involved in this mission included [[Barbecue]], [[Bazooka (G.I. Joe)|Bazooka]], [[Beachhead]], [[Chuckles]], [[Cover Girl]], [[Dial-Tone]], [[Dusty]], [[Duke]], [[Gung-Ho (G.I. Joe)|Gung-Ho]], [[Jinx]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]], [[Scarlett]], [[Shipwreck]], [[Snake-Eyes]], and [[Spirit]].

''The core plot for this series is lifted-from/homaging the [[Wikipedia:Isaac Asimov's Robots in Time series|Robots in Time]] book series..

===[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War]]===
After the U.S. government's [[Serpent O.R.]] project awakened, several Joes were captured by his Decepticon forces, forcing the rest of the team to mount a rescue operation to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

Members involved in this mission included [[Airtight]], [[Barbecue]], [[Beach-Head]], [[Duke]], [[Dusty]], [[Firewall]], [[Flint]], [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], [[Rock'n'Roll]], [[Scarlett]], [[Sci-Fi]], [[Snake-Eyes]], [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]], [[Storm Shadow]], and [[Tripwire]].

===[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: Black Horizon]]===
Unicron has been summoned to Earth by Cobra-La, and a small team of Joes must stop him from devouring the planet.

{{JoeWiki}}
==External links==
* [http://gijoe.wikia.com Joepedia: The G.I. Joe Wikia]
* [http://www.gijoe.com Official G.I. Joe website]
* [http://www.yojoe.com Yo Joe website]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category: Generation 1]]
[[Category: Generation 2]]
[[Category: G.I. Joe| ]]
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Hawk (G.I. Joe)

2008-01-06T05:57:04Z

Destron Commander:

{{disambig2|the human commander of [[G.I. Joe]]|the Pretender|Metalhawk}}

:''Hawk is a member of [[G.I. Joe]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Hawk.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Get the disc to the core of the MCP, Tron. Free the system.]]
General Clayton M. Abernathy, codename '''Hawk''', leads [[G.I. Joe]], a [[United States]] military taskforce dedicated to stopping the terrorist organization [[Cobra]].

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
He bones [[Senator Barbara Larkin]].

===Dreamwave ''Transformers/G.I. Joe'' continuity===
He's from World War II.

===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' continuity===
He gets the [[Matrix]].

{{JoeWiki|Hawk}}
==External links==
*[http://www.yojoe.com/action/82/hawk.shtml Hawk on YoJoe.com]

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Call of the Primitives

2007-12-07T10:08:20Z

Destron Commander: /* Notable quotes */ World? It's the universe, my friend.

[[Image:PrimitiveCall.jpg|350px|thumb|right|Prim and Proper]]
{{episodenav|g1|season=3|26|prev=Money is Everything|next=The Face of the Nijika}}

All Transformers with animal modes are summoned to battle a being called [[Tornedron]], the little brother of [[Unicron]].

==Detailed synopsis==
[[Image:AutobotsCall.jpg|150px|thumb|left|Having your energy drained changes your paint job.]]

Somewhere, an energy creature begins feeding off other forms of energy--slowly, at first. Then his creator gives him an [[Energon cube]]. The creature grows and spreads out into the universe. Soon, it attacks [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The [[Autobot]]s attack it, but it simply drains their energy from them. The creature's creator is pleased with him, saying he's done better than his predecessor, Unicron.

[[Image:Ejectcall.jpg|150px|thumb|right|Sorry, I ejected too soon]]

On [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], [[Rodimus Prime]] is leading a group of Autobots against the [[Decepticon]]s. However, the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s, [[Predacon (G1)|Predacon]]s, [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]]s, [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], [[Trypticon]], and the animal-form [[Mini-Cassette]]s are all summoned by a mysterious voice. They leave the battle, and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] orders a retreat. Suddenly, the energy creature arrives and drains the energy from the Autobots and Decepticons, as well as Earth and the Moon.

Most of the departed Transformers are riding Trypticon. Naturally, tempers flare, and a brawl starts. At Sky Lynx's suggestion, Trypticon shakes himself and causes his passengers to stop fighting. They arrive on an ancient planet near the center of the galaxy. After touching down, Sky Lynx assumes command of the group, despite the objections of [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] and [[Hun-Gurrr]]. Finding a cave, they encounter [[Oracle (G1)|a strange entity]]. He explains that he summoned the [[Primitive]]s, all animal-based Transformers, to come to fight Tornedron, the energy creature who was created by [[Primacron]]. The entity, who was once Primacron's assistant, explains how Primacron created Unicron but was nearly destroyed by his creation. After Unicron's defeat, Primacron created Tornedron as a replacement. Primacron's assistant hopes that the Primitives' simple instincts will allow them to defeat Primacon's complex plans.

[[Image:Terrorconcall.jpg|150px|thumb|left|Ptooie]]

Suddenly, Tornedron arrives and drains Trypticon of his energy. Trypticon crashes, and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] is believed destroyed. Sky Lynx attacks, only to have his energy drained as well. [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] leads the Dinobots in retreat, while the other Primitives split up. Tornedron separates into four parts to track them down. He easily dispatches the Mini-Cassettes, chewing on [[Ratbat]] in the process. [[Headstrong]] declares that it would be better to die fighting, and the Predacons form [[Predaking]]. Their energy is sucked away as well. The Terrorcons try to fight back, but are also drained. The Dinobots ambush Tornedron, but they too are dispatched. Unknown to Tornedron and Primacron, however, Grimlock has survived, and he follows them.

[[Image:Tornedroncall.jpg|150px|thumb|right|Two scoops of raisins]]

At his base, Primacron is having trouble controlling Tornedron. Tornedron declares that he intends to feed on Primacron, and that all of Primacron's failsafes have failed. Grimlock breaks into Primacron's lab to find that Primacron is a tiny little alien...thing. Grimlock orders Primacron to reverse his damage, but Primacron declares that he's tried everything. Grimlock fixes things easily: He throws the reverse switch, which reverses Tornedron's energy polarity, restoring the energy to the drained Transformers and planets. In celebration, Grimlock destroys Primacron's lab, declaring it the smartest thing he's ever done.
{{-}}

==Stats==
'''Original airdate:''' 18th of November, 1986

'''Production number:''' # 700-112

'''Written by:''' [[Donald F. Glut]]

===Featured Characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobots]]
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticons]]
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human|Humans]]
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" | '''Regulars'''

'''Guests'''

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |

|}

==Notable quotes==
''"Now remember, before you do anything, think, 'Is this what Sky Lynx would do in my position?', and you will not go far wrong."''
:-- '''Sky Lynx's''' sensible instructions to the rest of the Primitives.

''"I have summoned you here to tell you a tale from long ago."''<br>
''"Oh, me Grimlock love long ago tales!"''<br>
''"Then allow me to tell it."''
:-- The '''Oracle''' slaps '''Grimlock''' into place.

''"Suffer my rage, monster! I will show you no mercy! You will rue the day you crossed Sky--aaahhh!"
:-- '''Sky Lynx's''' righteous fury at the deaths of Trypticon and Grimlock.

''"Sky Lynx is destroyed! Who will lead us now?"''<br>''"I Slag lead Dinobots away 'til I get better idea."''<br>''"Best idea yet! We run too!"''<br>
:-- '''Headstrong''', '''Slag''', and '''Hun-Gurrr''' debate strategy.

''"I detest fleeing, I would rather die fighting!"''<br>''"He is right! Predacons, unite!"''<br>''"Tornedron... face, Predaking! To the end!"''
:-- '''Headstrong''' and '''Razorclaw''' convince the Predacons to form '''Predaking'''

''"Only you can save the world now, Grimlock."''<br>
''"Me Grimlock feel important!"''
:-- The '''Oracle''' rests the fate of... erm, the universe, on '''Grimlock's''' shoulders.

''"You stupid--!"''<br>
''"Why you call Grimlock stupid?"''<br>
''"You've ruined my lab!"''<br>
''"Me Grimlock think is smartest thing me Grimlock ever do!"''
:-- '''Primacron's''' reaction to '''Grimlock's''' celebratory destruction of the alien's lab.

==Other Notes==
[[Image:Unicroncall.jpg|150px|thumb|Where am I from?]]

* The art style in this episode is very different from all others in the Generation 1 series, with stylized "anime-like" character models and proportions. In fact, the character models for this episode are based on the Studio Ox designs rather than the standard animation models used for the other episodes of the series. It is widely believed that this lone episode was animated by [[Tokyo Movie Shinsha]], though little evidence has been found to confirm this.
*In Japanese continuity, the scene where the Primitives encounter the [[Oracle (G1)|Oracle]] is set in the past; apparently, the Primitives arrived there via time travel. This is done to accommodate the idea that the Oracle later evolved into [[Vector Sigma]] and later [[Primus]]. Yeah, gotta love the Japanese.

===Animation and/or technical glitches===

* When the Dinobots are being summoned, [[Sludge]] is referred to as [[Sweep]].

===Continuity errors===

* When summoning the Primitives, they forgot all about[[Laserbeak (G1)| Laserbeak]] and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]! Instead, Soundwave unleashes two new cassette Decepticons: [[Slugfest]] and [[Overkill]]...who are then never seen again. Gee.
* [[Windcharger]] is seen running around on Cybertron, despite having been killed in [[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|the Transformers movie]]. But hey, [[Ironhide (G1)|that]] [[Prowl (G1)|happens]] [[Wheeljack (G1)|all]] [[Brawn|the]] [[Huffer|time]].

===Transformers references===
* This episode marks the last appearance of the Dinobots, Trypticon, and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] in the western cartoon...bummer.

===Real-world references===
* References

===Miscellaneous trivia===
[[Image:Firecall.jpg|150px|thumb|right|Me Grimlock like Predacons and Terrorcons Cajun style]]

* Unicron's origin is a bit...random.
* When Grimlock uses his [[flame breath]] on the Predacons and Terrorcons, they start to ''cough''...cause that's what you do when you're being hit with fire reaching several hundred degrees.

===Keywords===
(''separate by commas and link each one so a page can be created for it if it does not already exist'')

==External links==
* [http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/synopses/call_of_the_primitives.html Dossier at the Cybertron Chronicle]

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Bob Budiansky

2007-12-06T15:10:05Z

Destron Commander: What the hell did that mean?!!

{{picsneeded|Higher quality and/or more recent photo}}

[[Image:Bobbudiansky.jpg|thumb|right|Not actually Kirk Cameron. You can tell because he writes about [[Earth]] being millions of years old.]]
'''Bob Budiansky''' was the writer of most of the Marvel US Transformers comic book series and the creator of much of the mythos, characters, and names behind the first several years of the franchise.

In late 1983, [[Hasbro]] approached Marvel Comics to create a storyline around a series of transforming toy robots they had licensed from Takara. Editors [[Denny O'Neil]] and [[Jim Shooter]] created some of the early background for Transformers, including several names, but much of the material for the first 28 characters was rejected by Hasbro. Revision duties were passed to editor/writer Bob Budiansky, who renamed most of the characters and revised the personalities. Though [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was named by O'Neil, Bob Budiansky is responsible for the names of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], and countless others.

Due to its success, the Transformers four-issue miniseries became an ongoing. Bob Budiansky was moved from editing duties to writer. It was in these years that he developed popular characters [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] into the roles they're famous for today. He also created the concept of the Autobot [[Creation Matrix|Matrix]]. Budiansky continued to write tech specs and name characters until the end of the original series.

Towards the end of his time on the comic book series, Budiansky started to feel fatigue. It was complicated and frustrating, from a story-crafting point of view, to introduce so many new characters in so few issues. At Budiansky's recommendation, the writer of the Marvel UK Transformers comics, [[Simon Furman]], took over Budiansky's duties on the US comic.

==Transformers comics credits==
Marvel Transformers (US):
:Editor - Issues 1-4
:Writer - Issues 5-15, 17-32, 35-42, 44-55
:Cover Artist - Issues 14, 29, 31, 45, 47

Marvel Transformers Universe
:Writer/Consulting Editor - Issues 1-4

Marvel [[The Transformers: The Movie]] comic adaptation
:Editor - Issues 1-3

Headmasters mini-series
:Writer - Issues 1-4

IDW [[Transformers: The Animated Movie]] comic adaptation
:Writer - Issues 1-4

==External links==
*[http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/bbudiansky_1.php A Little Q&A with Bob Budiansky]
*[http://www.bwtf.com/interviews/bb204.shtml Bob Budiansky Interview]
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/32bc08f5d9b4678b? Transcript of Budiansky/Furman panel from OTFCC 2004]

*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/80a6fffaad63aa8d? Transcript of Budiansky/Figueroa panel from Iacone One]

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The Transformers (toyline)

2007-12-05T14:49:04Z

Destron Commander: /* 1989 */ spelling

'''''The Transformers''''' (retroactively called '''Generation One''' or '''G1''') started as a joint venture between two companies: Hasbro of America and Takara of Japan. After an idea to rebrand and sell Takara's ''Diaclone'' and ''Microchange'' robot toys as a whole new line with a new concept behind it, Hasbro unknowingly would wind up making what would be one of the longest running toy franchises. Due to products coming from different pre-existing product lines, G1 toys were highly inconsistent in terms of relative [[scale]].

==1984==
===Autobots===
'''Autobot Mini-Cars'''
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]]
::''Although the official catalogs and the box artwork depict Bumblebee in yellow and Cliffjumper in red, both toys were actually available in both colors. Additionally, a third toy of a similar design was also available in yellow, and sold on Cliffjumper cards. That toy was not officially marketed by Hasbro as a separate character, but was later dubbed "Bumblejumper" by fans, which was shortened to just "[[Bumper]]" by the time he was officially integrated into the fiction as a character in his own right.''
* [[Brawn]]
* [[Gears]]
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]
* [[Huffer]]
'''Autobot Cars'''
* [[Bluestreak]]
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]
* [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]
* [[Jazz]]
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]]
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]]
* [[Sunstreaker]]
* [[Trailbreaker]]
* [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
'''Autobot Commander'''
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]

===Decepticons===
'''Decepticon Cassettes'''
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] & [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (available as a two-pack)
* [[Rumble]] & [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (available as a two-pack)
::''Another Decepticon Cassette, Buzzsaw, was available with Soundwave.''
'''Decepticon Planes'''
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]]
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
'''Decepticon Communications'''
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (with [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]])
'''Decepticon Leader'''
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]

==1985==
===Autobots===
'''Autobot Mini-Vehicles'''
* [[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]]
* [[Cosmos]]
* [[Powerglide]]
* [[Seaspray]]
* [[Warpath]]
::''The "Mini-Cars" were renamed into "Mini-Vehicles" beginning with 1985. The 1984 Mini-Cars/Mini-Vehicles were re-released. 1985 Mini-Vehicles were briefly available with extra Mini-Spies, later replaced the Autobot symbols with rubsigns like the ones first featured on the Mini-Spies, and later shipments of the rubsign versions were available with iron-on patches. The versions of Bumblebee and Cliffjumper that came with the Mini-Spies were available in both yellow and red; the rubsign versions still featured color variants. The Bumper mold was no longer available.''
'''Autobot Cars'''
* [[Tracks]]
* [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]]
* [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]]
* [[Skids]]
* [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]]
* [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]]
* [[Grapple]]
::''The 1984 Autobot Cars were re-released. All 1985 Autobot Cars sported rubsigns. The European version of Tracks released by Milton Bradley was originally available in red.''
'''Dinobots'''
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]]
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]]
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]]
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]]
'''Jumpstarters'''
*[[Topspin]]
*[[Twin Twist]]
'''Autobot Deluxe Vehicles'''
*[[Roadbuster]]
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]]
'''Autobot Air Guardian'''
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]
'''Autobot Communicator'''
*[[Blaster]]
'''Autobot Scientist'''
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]
'''Autobot Motorized Defense Base'''
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]
'''[[Powerdasher|Powerdashers]]'''
* "Drill Type"
* "F-1 Type"
* "Jet Type"
::''The Powerdashers were only available via mail order. Figure names are in quotes because these figures were not officaly named. Names are taken from the Diaclone versions.''
'''Omnibots'''
*[[Camshaft]]
*[[Downshift (G1)|Downshift]]
*[[Overdrive]]
::''The Omnibots were only available via mail order.''
'''Promotional toys'''
* "Pepsi" Optimus Prime
::''A limited edition variant of Optimus Prime was available with additional "Pepsi" stickers on the trailer. The Canadian version sported yet another variant with a large sticker covering the entire side of the trailer.''
* "Cookie Crisp" Jazz
::''A variant of the Jazz toy was available as a Cookie Crisp promotional premium via mail order. Unlike the regular version, the "Martini" decals are missing from the doors.''
====Notes====
* The Optimus Prime toy was still available in 1985, now also sporting a rubsign.

===Decepticons===
'''Insecticons'''
* [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]
* [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]
* [[Bombshell]]
'''Deluxe Insecticons'''
* [[Barrage (Decepticon)|Barrage]]
* [[Chop Shop]]
* [[Ransack (G1)|Ransack]]
* [[Venom]]
:Note: the Deluxe Insecticons were not featured in the animated series.
'''Constructicons'''
* [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]]
* [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]]
* [[Scrapper]]
* [[Hook]]
* [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]]
* [[Mixmaster]]
* [[Devastator]] (giftset)
'''Triple Changers'''
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]
*[[Blitzwing]]
'''Decepticon Planes'''
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]
::''Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp were re-released. All 1985 Decepticon Planes sported rubsigns.''
'''Decepticon Military Operations Commander'''
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
====Notes====
* Megatron, Soundwave and the Decepticon Cassette two-packs (now named "Mini-Cassettes") of Frenzy/Laserbeak and Rumble/Ravage were still available in 1985, now also sporting rubsigns.
*The deluxe Insectcons made no appearences in the animated series.

==1986==
Starting with 1986, the first Transformers toys - the Mini-Cassettes, the Triple Changers, the newly introduced Special Teams Mini-Vehicles and the [[Special Teams]] Large Vehicles - were available in mixed assortments that contained both Autobot and Decepticon characters. The 1986 toys are still listed as Autobots and Decepticons for simplicity's sake.
===Autobots===
'''Autobot Mini-Vehicles'''
* [[Wheelie]]
* [[Hubcap (G1)|Hubcap]]
* [[Outback]]
* [[Pipes]]
* [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]
* [[Tailgate]]
::''Bumblebee, Beachcomber, Seaspray, Cosmos, Powerglide and Warpath were re-released. All twelve 1986 Mini-Vehicles were alternatively available with or without an iron-on patch.''
'''Autobot Mini-Cassettes'''
* [[Rewind]] & [[Steeljaw]] (available as a two-pack)
* [[Ramhorn]] & [[Eject]] (available as a two-pack)
'''Aerialbots'''
* [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]]
* [[Skydive (G1)|Skydive]]
* [[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]]
* [[Slingshot]]
* [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]
* [[Superion]] (giftset)
'''Protectobots'''
* [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]]
* [[Groove (G1)|Groove]]
* [[Blades]]
* [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]]
* [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]]
* [[Defensor]] (giftset)
::''The smaller Aerialbots and Protectobots were alternatively available with or without an iron-on patch. Silverbolt and Hot Spot have never been found with a poster.''
'''Triple Changers'''
* [[Springer]]
* [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]
* [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]]
::''All 1986 Triple Changers were alternatively available with or without a poster.''
'''Autobot Cars'''
* [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]]
* [[Hot Rod]]
* [[Kup]]
::''All three 1986 Autobot Cars were alternatively available with or without a poster.''
'''Heroes'''
* [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]]
* [[Wreck-Gar]]
'''Autobot City Commander'''
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]
::''A variant version of Ultra Magnus was available exclusively from KB Toys stores, replacing the diecast parts and rubber tires with plastic parts and sporting unpainted heads.''
'''Motorized Autobot Space Shuttle'''
* [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]]
'''Autobot City'''
* [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]
====Notes====
* A limited edition version of Optimus Prime was available with a "Movie Edition" certificate.
* Sunstreaker, Mirage, Ratchet and Wheeljack, none of which were shipping to regular stores anymore by this point, were made available again via mail order.

===Decepticons===
'''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes'''
* [[Ratbat]] & Frenzy (available as a two-pack)
::''Frenzy was a re-release of the 1986 Decepticon Cassette, now available as a two-pack with the new mold Ratbat rather than with Laserbeak. The two-pack of Ravage and Rumble was also re-released.''
'''Stunticons'''
* [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]]
* [[Breakdown]]
* [[Wildrider]]
* [[Drag Strip]]
* [[Motormaster]]
* [[Menasor]] (giftset)
'''Combaticons'''
* [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]]
* [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]
* [[Vortex]]
* [[Blast Off]]
* [[Onslaught]]
::''While packaged samples might exist, Bruticus was presumably never officially released in giftset form in the USA.''
::''The smaller Stunticons and Combaticons were alternatively available with or without an iron-on patch. Motormaster and Onslaught have never been found with a poster.''
'''Predacons'''
* [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]]
* [[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]]
* [[Headstrong]]
* [[Tantrum]]
* [[Divebomb (G1)|Divebomb]]
::''Predaking was never available in giftset form outside of Japan.''
'''Sharkticons'''
* [[Gnaw]]
::''All five Predacons as well as Gnaw were alternatively available with or without a poster.''
'''Triple Changers'''
* [[Octane]]
::''Blitzwing and Astrotrain were re-released. All 1986 Triple Changers were alternatively available with or without a poster, and Astrotrain and Blitzwing are very difficult to find.''
'''Decepticon Planes'''
* [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]
* [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]
::''Starscream, Dirge, Ramjet and Thrust were re-released. Only Scourge and Cyclonus have been found with or without a poster. The other four jets in the asortment have never been found with a poster.''
'''Battlechargers'''
* [[Runabout]]
* [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]]
'''Decepticon City Commander'''
* [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]
'''Motorized Decepticon City'''
* [[Trypticon]]
'''Others'''
* [[Reflector]]
::''Reflector was only available via mail order.''
====Notes====
* A limited edition version of Megatron was available with a "Movie Edition" certificate.
* Thundercracker, who was no longer shipping to regular stores by this point, was made available again via mail order.

==1987==
===Autobots===
'''Technobots'''
* [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]]
* [[Nosecone]]
* [[Strafe]]
* [[Lightspeed (Technobot)|Lightspeed]]
* [[Scattershot]]
* [[Computron]] (giftset)
::''The Aerialbots and Protectobots were also re-released. All individual Aerialbots, Protectobots and Technobots were alternatively available with or without a rubber decoy.
'''Throttlebots'''
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug]]
* [[Chase]]
* [[Freeway]]
* [[Searchlight]]
* [[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]]
* [[Wideload (G1)|Wideload]]
::''The Throttlebots were alternatively available with or without a rubber decoy.
'''Autobot Clones'''
* [[Fastlane]] & [[Cloudraker]] (available as a two-pack)
'''Autobot Doubly Spy'''
* [[Punch|Punch-Counterpunch]]
'''Monsterbots'''
* [[Grotusque]]
* [[Doublecross]]
* [[Repugnus (G1)|Repugnus]]
'''Large [[Targetmaster]] Autobots'''
* [[Pointblank]] with [[Peacemaker]]
* [[Sureshot]] with [[Spoilsport]]
* [[Crosshairs]] with [[Pinpointer]]
* [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] with [[Haywire]]
* [[Kup]] with [[Recoil]]
* [[Hot Rod]] with [[Firebolt (G1)|Firebolt]]
'''Large [[Headmaster]] Autobots'''
* [[Chromedome]] with [[Stylor]]
* [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] with [[Duros]]
* [[Brainstorm]] with [[Arcana]]
* [[Highbrow]] with [[Gort]]
'''Headmaster Autobot Base'''
* [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] with [[Cerebros]] and [[Spike Witwicky|Spike]]
====Notes====
Metroplex, Rodimus Prime, Wreck-Gar, Ultra Magnus and Sky Lynx were also still available. The Autobot Mini-Cassette two-packs of Rewind/Steeljaw and Ramhorn/Eject were re-released.

===Decepticons===
'''Terrorcons'''
* [[Rippersnapper]]
* [[Sinnertwin]]
* [[Cutthroat]]
* [[Blot]]
* [[Hun-Grrr|Hun-Gurrr]]
::''Abominus was never officially released in giftset form in the USA.''
::''The Stunticons and Combaticons were also re-released. All individual Stunticons, Combaticons and Terrorcons were alternatively available with or without a rubber decoy.
'''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes'''
* [[Slugfest]] & [[Overkill]] (available as a two-pack)
::''The two-pack of Ratbat and Frenzy was also re-released.''
'''Duocons'''
* [[Battletrap]]
* [[Flywheels]]
'''Decepticon Clones'''
* [[Pounce]] & [[Wingspan]] (available as a two-pack)
'''Decepticon Six Changer'''
* [[Sixshot]]
'''Large Targetmaster Decepticons'''
* [[Triggerhappy]] with [[Blowpipe]]
* [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] with [[Caliburst]]
* [[Misfire]] with [[Aimless]]
* [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] with [[Nightstick (Decepticon)|Nightstick]]
* [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] with [[Fracas (G1)|Fracas]]
'''Large Headmaster Decepticons'''
* [[Skullcruncher]] with [[Grax]]
* [[Mindwipe]] with [[Vorath]]
* [[Weirdwolf]] with [[Monzo]]
'''Headmaster Horrorcons'''
* [[Apeface]] with [[Spasma]]
* [[Snapdragon]] with [[Krunk]]
'''Headmaster Decepticon Base'''
* [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] with [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]]
====Notes====
Galvatron, Trypticon, the Predacons and the Sharkticon figure Gnaw were also still available.

==1988==
===Autobots===
'''Sparkabots'''
* [[Fizzle]]
* [[Sizzle (G1)|Sizzle]]
* [[Guzzle (Autobot)|Guzzle]]
'''Triggerbots'''
* [[Backstreet]]
* [[Override (G1)|Override]]
* [[Dogfight]]
'''Autobot Cassettes'''
* [[Grand Slam]] & [[Raindance]] (available as a two-pack)
::''The Rewind/Steeljaw and Ramhorn/Eject two-packs were also re-released once again.''
'''Small Targetmaster Autobots'''
* [[Landfill (G1)|Landfill]] with [[Flintlock]] and [[Silencer (G1)|Silencer]]
* [[Quickmix (G1)|Quickmix]] with [[Boomer]] and [[Ricochet (Nebulan)|Ricochet]]
* [[Scoop]] with [[Holepunch]] and [[Tracer (Nebulan)|Tracer]]
::''The Large Targetmaster Autobots Pointblank, Sureshot and Crosshairs were also still available.''
'''Small Headmaster Autobots'''
* [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] with [[Muzzle]]
* [[Siren]] with [[Quig]]
* [[Hosehead]] with [[Lug]]
::''The Large Headmaster Autobots Chromedome, Hardhead, Brainstorm and Highbrow and the Headmaster Autobot Base Fortress Maximus were also still available.''
'''[[Powermaster]] Autobots'''
* [[Getaway]] with [[Rev]]
* [[Slapdash]] with [[Lube]]
* [[Joyride]] with [[Hotwire]]
'''Powermaster Autobot Leader'''
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] with [[Hi-Q]]
'''Autobot Six Changer'''
* [[Quickswitch]]
'''Large Autobot Pretenders'''
* [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]]
* [[Cloudburst]]
* [[Waverider]]
* [[Groundbreaker]]
* [[Sky High (Pretender)|Sky High]]
* [[Splashdown]]
'''Autobot Pretender Beasts'''
* [[Chainclaw]]
* [[Catilla]]
'''Autobot Pretender Vehicles'''
* [[Gunrunner (Pretender)|Gunrunner]]
====Notes====
The Autobot Doubly Spy Punch-Counterpunch, the Autobot Clones two-pack of Fastlane/Cloudraker and the Monsterbots Grotusque, Doublecross and Repugnus were also still available. The Technobots were re-released.

===Decepticons===
'''Firecons'''
* [[Cindersaur]]
* [[Flamefeather]]
* [[Sparkstalker]]
'''Seacons'''
* [[Overbite (G1)|Overbite]]
* [[Seawing (G1)|Seawing]]
* [[Nautilator (G1)|Nautilator]]
* [[Skalor]]
* [[Tentakil (G1)|Tentakil]]
* [[Snaptrap (G1)|Snaptrap]]
* Piranacon (giftset)
::''The Piranacon giftset only included five of the six individual Seacons; Nautilator was left out for reasons unknown.''
::''The Terrorcons were also re-released.''
'''Triggercons'''
* [[Crankcase]]
* [[Ruckus]]
* [[Windsweeper]]
'''Decepticon Cassettes'''
* [[Squawktalk]] & [[Beastbox]] (available as a two-pack)
::''The Slugfest/Overkill two-pack was also re-released.''
'''Small Targetmaster Decepticons'''
* [[Spinister]] with [[Hairsplitter]] and [[Singe]]
* [[Needlenose]] with [[Sunbeam]] and [[Zigzag (G1)|Zigzag]]
* [[Quake]] with [[Tiptop]] and [[Heater]]
::''The Large Targetmaster Decepticons Triggerhappy, Slugslinger and Misfire were also still available.''
'''Small Headmaster Decepticons'''
* [[Horri-Bull]] with [[Kreb]]
* [[Fangry]] with [[Brisko]]
* [[Squeezeplay]] with [[Lokos]]
::''The Large Headmaster Decepticons Skullcruncher, Mindwipe and Weirdwolf, the Headmaster Horrorcons Apeface and Snapdragon and the Headmaster Decepticon Base Scorponok were also still available.''
'''Powermaster Decepticons'''
* [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] with [[Hi-Test]]
* [[Darkwing]] with [[Throttle (G1)|Throttle]]
'''Powermaster Mercenary'''
* [[Doubledealer]] with [[Knok]] and [[Skar]]
'''Large Decepticon Pretenders'''
* [[Skullgrin]]
* [[Bomb-Burst]]
* [[Submarauder]]
* [[Iguanus (G1)|Iguanus]]
* [[Bugly]]
* [[Finback]]
'''Decepticon Pretender Beasts'''
* [[Carnivac]]
* [[Snarler]]
'''Decepticon Pretender Vehicles'''
* [[Roadgrabber]]
====Notes====
The Deception Clones two-pack of Pounce/Wingspan and the Decepticon Six Changer Sixshot were also still available.

==1989==
By 1989, Hasbro's Transformers releases had been effectively split into two almost distinct sub-lines - Pretenders and Micromasters - that were available concurrently, a separation that was stronger from a marketing standpoint than the Autobot/Decepticon distinction from previous years.

===Pretenders===
====Autobots====
'''Small Autobot Pretenders'''
* [[Pincher]]
* [[Doubleheader]]
* [[Longtooth]]
'''Autobot Pretender Classics'''
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]
* [[Jazz]]
'''Autobot Legends'''
* Bumblebee
* Grimlock
* Jazz
::''The Legends figures were identical to the Pretender Classics' inner robots, but lacking the Pretender shell. They were exclusively available from KMart stores.
'''Autobot Mega Pretenders'''
* [[Crossblades (G1)|Crossblades]]
* [[Vroom]]
'''Autobot Ultra Pretenders'''
* [[Skyhammer]]
=====Notes=====
* Powermaster Optimus Prime, the Autobot Cassette two-packs of Rewind/Steeljaw, Ramhorn/Eject and Grand Slam/Raindance and the Large Autobot Pretenders were also still available.

====Decepticons====
'''Pretender Monsters'''
* [[Icepick]]
* [[Bristleback]]
* [[Wildfly]]
* [[Scowl]]
* [[Slog]]
* [[Birdbrain]]
'''Small Decepticon Pretenders'''
* [[Octopunch]]
* [[Stranglehold]]
* [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]
'''Decepticon Pretender Classics'''
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]
'''Decepticon Legends'''
* Starscream
::''The Legends figures were identical to the Pretender Classics' inner robots, but lacking the Pretender shell. They were exclusively available from KMart stores.
'''Decepticon Mega Pretenders'''
* [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]
'''Decepticon Ultra Pretenders'''
* [[Roadblock (G1)|Roadblock]]
=====Notes=====
* The Decepticon Cassette two-packs of Slugfest/Overkill and Squawktalk/Beastbox and the Large Decepticon Pretenders were also still available.

===Micromasters===
====Autobots====
'''Micromaster Autobot Patrols'''
* [[Off Road Patrol]] ([[Highjump (G1)|Highjump]], [[Mudslinger]], [[Powertrain]] & [[Tote]])
* [[Race Car Patrol]] ([[Tailspin]], [[Free Wheeler]], [[Roadhandler (G1)|Roadhandler]] & [[Swindler]])
* [[Rescue Patrol]] ([[Seawatch]], [[Stakeout]], [[Fixit]] & [[Red Hot]])
* [[Battle Patrol]] ([[Big Shot]], [[Sidetrack]], [[Sunrunner]] & [[Flak]])
'''Micromaster Autobot Transports'''
* [[Erector]]
* [[Overload (G1)|Overload]]
'''Micromaster Autobot Stations'''
* [[Hot House]]
* [[Ironworks]]
'''Micromaster Autobot Bases'''
* [[Groundshaker]]
'''Micromaster Autobot Rocket Base'''
* [[Countdown]]
====Decepticons====
'''Micromaster Decepticon Patrols'''
* [[Air Strike Patrol]] ([[Nightflight]], [[Storm Cloud (G1)|Storm Cloud]], [[Whisper (Decepticon)|Whisper]] & [[Tailwind]])
* [[Sports Car Patrol]] ([[Detour]], [[Blackjack]], [[Hyperdrive]] & [[Road Hugger]])
'''Micromaster Decepticon Transports'''
* [[Flattop (Decepticon)|Flattop]]
* [[Roughstuff]]
'''Micromaster Decepticon Stations'''
* [[Greasepit]]
* [[Airwave]]
'''Micromaster Decepticon Bases'''
* [[Skyhopper]]
'''Micromaster Decepticon Jet Command Center'''
* [[Skystalker]]

==1990==
Like 1989 before, 1990 also effectively saw two almost distinct Transformers sub-lines being available concurrently, this time Micromasters and Action Masters. The [[Generation 1 Europe (toyline)|European version of the "G1" line]], which continued after Hasbro had abruptly cancelled the line in the USA, would furthermore add the "Classics" sub-line to the mix.
===Micromasters===
====Autobots====
'''Micromaster Autobot Patrols'''
* [[Construction Patrol]] ([[Neutro]], [[Groundpounder]], [[Crumble]] & [[Takedown]])
* [[Air Patrol]] ([[Sky High (Micromaster)|Sky High]], [[Eagle Eye (G1)|Eagle Eye]], [[Blaze Master]] & [[Tread Bolt]])
* [[Monster Truck Patrol]] ([[Hydraulic]], [[Slow Poke]], [[Big Hauler]] & [[Heavy Tread]])
* [[Hot Rod Patrol]] ([[Big Daddy]], [[Trip-Up]], [[Greaser]] & [[Hubs]])
'''Micromaster Autobot Combiner Squads'''
* [[Metro Squad]] ([[Wheel Blaze]], [[Roadburner]], [[Oiler]], [[Slide]], [[Power Run]] & [[Strikedown]])
* [[Astro Squad]] ([[Phaser]], [[Blast Master]], [[Moonrock]], [[Missile Master]], [[Barrage (Autobot)|Barrage]] & [[Heave]])
'''Micromaster Autobot Combiner Transports'''
* [[Missile Launcher]] (with [[Retro]] & [[Surge]])
* [[Tanker Truck]] (with [[Pipeline]] & [[Gusher]])
'''Micromaster Combiner Autobot Battlefield Headquarters'''
* [[Battlefield Headquarters]] with [[Full-Barrel]] & [[Overflow]]
=====Notes=====
* The Micromaster Transports Overload and Erector, the Micromaster Stations Hot House and Ironworks and the Micromaster Autobot Rocket Base Countdown were also still available.
====Decepticons====
'''Micromaster Decepticon Patrols'''
* [[Race Track Patrol]] ([[Roller Force]], [[Barricade (G1)|Barricade]], [[Ground Hog]] & [[Motorhead]])
* [[Military Patrol]] ([[Bombshock]], [[Tracer (Decepticon)|Tracer]], [[Dropshot (G1)|Dropshot]] & [[Growl]])
'''Micromaster Decepticon Combiner Squads'''
* [[Battle Squad]] ([[Meltdown]], [[Half-Track]], [[Direct-Hit]], [[Power Punch]], [[Fireshot]] & [[Vanquish]])
* [[Constructor Squad]] ([[Stonecruncher]], [[Excavator]], [[Sledge]], [[Hammer]], [[Grit]] & [[Knockout (G1)|Knockout]])
'''Micromaster Decepticon Combiner Transports'''
* [[Cannon Transport]] (with [[Terror-Tread]] & [[Cement-Head]])
'''Micromaster Combiner Decepticon Anti-Aircraft Base'''
* [[Anti-Aircraft Base]] with [[Blackout (G1)|Blackout]] & [[Spaceshot]]
=====Notes=====
* The Micromaster Transports Flattop & Roughstuff, the Micromaster Stations Greasepit and Airwave and the Micromaster Decepticon Jet Command Center Skystalker were also still available.
===Action Masters===
====Autobots====
'''Autobot [[Action Master]] Figures'''
* [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] with [[Anti-Tank Cannon]]
* [[Jazz]] with [[Turbo Board]]
* [[Rad (G1)|Rad]] with [[Lionizer]]
* [[Rollout (G1)| Rollout]] with [[Glitch]]
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] with [[Heli-Pack]]
* [[Blaster]] with [[Flight-Pack]]
* [[Jackpot]] with [[Sights]]
* [[Mainframe (G1)|Mainframe]] with [[Push-Button]]
* [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] with [[Hydro-Pack]]
* [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] with [[Tyrannitron]]
* [[Skyfall (G1)|Skyfall]] with [[Top-Heavy]]
* [[Kick-Off]] with [[Turbo-Pack]]
'''Autobot Action Master Action Blasters'''
* [[Turbo Cycle]] with [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]
* [[Helicopter]] with [[Over-Run (G1)|Over-Run]]
'''Action Master Autobot Vehicles'''
* [[Turbo Racer]] with [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
* [[Attack Cruiser]] with [[Sprocket]]
'''Action Master Autobot Armored Convoy'''
* [[Armored Convoy]] with [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]

====Decepticons====
'''Decepticon Action Master Figures'''
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] with [[Wingthing]]
* [[Treadshot (G1)|Treadshot]] with [[Catgut]]
* [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] with [[Scorpulator]]
* [[Krok]] with [[Gatoraider]]
* [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] with [[Fistfight]]
* [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzai-Tron]] with [[Razor-Sharp]]
'''Decepticon Action Master Action Blasters'''
* [[Off-Road Cycle]] with [[Axer]]
* [[Turbo Jet]] with [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]
'''Action Master Decepticon Attack Vehicles'''
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s [[Neutro-Fusion Tank]]
*[[Gutcruncher]]'s [[Stratotronic Cruiser]]

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G.I. Joe (team)

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'''G.I. Joe''' is the code-name<ref>G.I. Joe's official name is ''Counter-terrorist Group Delta''.</ref> for America's daring, highly-trained special mission force! Its purpose: To defend [[human]] freedom against [[Cobra]], a ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world!

:'''UK name:''' ''Action Force''

==Marvel Comics==
===Marvel US===
====[[G.I. Joe and the Transformers]]====

The G.I. Joe team was assigned to protect [[Power Station Alpha]] from harm, and was involved in the events following its theft and ultimate destruction.

Members involved in this mission included [[Ace]], [[Beachhead]], [[Crankcase (G.I. Joe)|Crankcase]], [[Dial-Tone]], [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|General Hawk]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Lift Ticket]], [[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]], [[Mutt & Junkyard]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], [[Scarlett]], [[Sgt. Slaughter]], [[Slipstream (G.I. Joe)|Slipstream]], [[Snake-Eyes]], and [[Wild Bill]].

====G.I. Joe Starring Snake-Eyes and the Transformers====

After [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] bargained with Cobra for a new body, the G.I. Joe team attempted to invade and retake a small town under Cobra's control.

Members involved in this mission included ...

====Transformers Generation 2====
The G.I. Joe team continued to be involved in the resurgence of the Transformers' war on Earth.

Members involved in this mission included [[Flint]], [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|General Hawk]], [[Scarlett]], [[Snake-Eyes]], and [[Wild Bill]].

===Marvel UK===
====Action Force: Ancient Relics====
The international Action Force team, investigating the report of a monster in the sewers of London, encounters the menace of Megatron!

Members involved in this mission included [[Airtight]], [[Barbecue]], [[Bazooka (G.I. Joe)|Bazooka]], [[Crankcase (G.I. Joe)|Crankcase]], [[Dusty]], [[Flint]], [[Heavy Metal (G.I. Joe)|Heavy Metal]], [[Scarlett]], and [[Wild Bill]].

''[Note: According to UK continuity, Action Force later merged with the American G.I. Joe organization and took on their name. This was to account for the local switchover of the 'Action Force' merchandise to "G.I. Joe" branding. This likely encompasses the team's appearance in the later-still Marvel US ''Generation 2'' (also reprinted and made available in the UK) comics as G.I. Joe.]''

==Dreamwave==
===[[Transformers/G.I. Joe]]===
In 1938, Europe was overrun by the combined forces of the [[Decepticons]] and [[Cobra]]. G.I. Joe was formed to combat them, and were led to their [[Terrordrome]] in the [[Fera Islands]] by a map carved out of the [[USS Hama]]'s hull by treacherous Cobra operatives. While engaging Cobra troops commanded by [[Storm Shadow]], the Joes encountered the [[Autobots]], who soon repaired and revived themselves. The Joes soon found themselves under fire from a squadron of [[Rattler|Rattlers]] and [[Seeker|Seekers]] led by [[Wild Weasel]], but they were driven back by Lady Jaye and the [[Aerialbots]].

While the Cobra aircraft were driven off, they left behind paratroopers and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]. The Joes managed to defeat the troops, and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and Scarlett destroyed Rumble, but [[Zartan]] managed to murder and replace Breaker in the confusion. He was quickly discovered, but not before he allowed [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to capture Flint.

Storm Shadow left the main Cobra force to engage in a deadly duel with his sword-brother Snake-Eyes, now a member of G.I. Joe. Despite the intervention of [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], Snake-Eyes defeated Storm Shadow, who was then eaten by a shark.

Soon, Cobra prepared to defend the town of [[Torhavn]] against the approoaching Autobots and Joes, using slaves as human shields. Another Cobra air attack was foiled by Lady Jaye and [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]; soon afterwards, Lady Jaye defeated [[Major Bludd]] and the [[Dreadnoks]]. Meanwhile, a small Joe strikeforce infiltrated the Terrordrome, destroying [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] in the process.

As the Joes, Autobots, and an Allied fleet neared, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] destroyed Superion and a number of ships, damaging himself severely in the process. But despite heavy losses, the Autobots soldiered on.

[[Destro]] and the [[Baroness]] took advantage of the chaos to unleash their monstrous creation [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] upon both sides - but not before slaying their co-conspirator, Starscream. Bruticus' attack crippled Cobra Commander, allowing the Baroness to execute him with Megatron's pistol form. Her victory was short-lived - before the Commander's body could cool, she and Destro were arrested by Scarlett and Snake-Eyes. As the metal monster tore through the Autobots, Snake-Eyes took the Matrix from the Commander's corpse and destroyed it, killing the Autobots, Decepticons, and Bruticus and ending the threat of Cobra.

Members involved in this mission included [[Beachhead]], [[Breaker]], [[Duke]], [[Flint]], [[Grunt]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Leatherneck]], [[Lifeline]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], [[Scarlett]], [[Snake-Eyes]], and [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]].

===[[Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front]]===
Some 45 years after the conquest of Europe, Cobra rose again, and G.I. Joe returned to combat it. Headquartered in the [[Pit]], G.I. Joe was led by Duke, a veteran of the last Cobra war. In 1985, a G.I. Joe team led by Flint attacked a Cobra shipping facility. While the facility was largely destroyed, [[Destro]] and [[Scrap-Iron (Cobra)|Scrap-Iron]] managed to escape via [[Trouble Bubble]], an act that led to Flint being reprimanded. Soon afterwards, the Joes detected the crash of an [[Autobot]] shuttlecraft near [[Portland]]. Flint was sent to retrieve it with a team of rookies, and managed to repel a Cobra strike team and recover an unconscious [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]. Hours later, the team was briefed by Duke, Stalker, and Scarlett on the threat posed by the [[Transformers]].

Members involved in this mission included [[Airtight]], [[Alpine]], [[Barbecue]], [[Bazooka (G.I. Joe)|Bazooka]], [[Blowtorch]], [[Clutch (G.I. Joe)|Clutch]], [[Cover Girl]], [[Doc]], [[Duke]], [[Flint]], [[Grand Slam (G.I. Joe)|Grand Slam]], [[Gung-Ho (G.I. Joe)|Gung-Ho]], [[Mutt & Junkyard]], [[Quick Kick]], [[Rock'N'Roll]], [[Scarlett]], [[Shipwreck]], [[Snake-Eyes]], [[Spirit]], [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]], and [[Wild Bill]].

''[Note: As [[Dreamwave]] went bankrupt after only one issue of this series was published, it is unknown whether Snake-Eyes is in any way related to his 1930s counterpart.]''

==Devil's Due==
===G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers===
After Cobra discovered the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and turned the Transformers within it into remote-controlled war machines, the G.I. Joe team was formed to oppose them.

Members involved in this mission included [[Ace]], [[Barbecue]], [[Bazooka (G.I. Joe)|Bazooka]], [[Breaker]], [[Clutch (G.I. Joe)|Clutch]], [[Dial-Tone]], [[Doc]], [[Duke]], [[Flash (G.I. Joe)|Flash]], [[Flint]], [[Gung-Ho (G.I. Joe)|Gung-Ho]], [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Leatherneck]], [[Lifeline]], [[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]], [[Mercer]], [[Mutt & Junkyard]], [[Quick Kick]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], [[Rock'N'Roll]], [[Scarlett]], [[Sci-Fi]], [[Shipwreck]], [[Snake-Eyes]], [[Spike Witwicky]], [[Spirit]], [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]], and [[Wild Bill]].

===[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II]]===
Two years later, an attempt by Cobra to seize control of [[Teletran 3]] resulted in several Transformers being sent to various eras in Earth's history, threatening to catastrophically alter the timestream. Cobra and G.I.Joe were forced to work together to neutralize the threat.

Members involved in this mission included [[Barbecue]], [[Bazooka (G.I. Joe)|Bazooka]], [[Beachhead]], [[Chuckles]], [[Cover Girl]], [[Dial-Tone]], [[Dusty]], [[Duke]], [[Gung-Ho (G.I. Joe)|Gung-Ho]], [[Jinx]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]], [[Scarlett]], [[Shipwreck]], [[Snake-Eyes]], and [[Spirit]].

''The core plot for this series is lifted-from/homaging the [[Wikipedia:Isaac Asimov's Robots in Time series|Robots in Time]] book series..

===[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War]]===
After the U.S. government's [[Serpent O.R.]] project awakened, several Joes were captured by his Decepticon forces, forcing the rest of the team to mount a rescue operation to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

Members involved in this mission included [[Airtight]], [[Barbecue]], [[Beach-Head]], [[Duke]], [[Dusty]], [[Firewall]], [[Flint]], [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]], [[Lady Jaye]], [[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]], [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], [[Rock'n'Roll]], [[Scarlett]], [[Sci-Fi]], [[Snake-Eyes]], [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]], [[Storm Shadow]], and [[Tripwire]].

===[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: Black Horizon]]===
Unicron has been summoned to Earth by Cobra-La, and a small team of Joes must stop him from devouring the planet.

==External links==
* [http://gijoe.wikia.com Joepedia: The G.I. Joe Wikia]
* [http://www.gijoe.com Official G.I. Joe website]
* [http://www.yojoe.com Yo Joe website]

==References==
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[[Category: Generation 1]]
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Soundwave (G1)

2007-11-25T12:12:29Z

Destron Commander: There more than enough pictures already

{{disambig3|Soundwave}}
:''Soundwave is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. In the Japanese series, he later took the name '''Soundblaster'''.''

[[Image:Soundwave_mixalot.jpg|thumb|300px|Big butts: preferred. Lying: impossible.]]

'''Soundwave''' is one of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s most reliable troops, and has positioned himself comfortably and irreplaceably in Megatron's upper command structure, and stands at the Decepticon leader's side as confidant. Though Communications Officer, he is comparable to [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] in rank, and the only one of the three that has consistently displayed loyalty to Megatron. Soundwave guards his place in the hierarchy fiercely. Though loyal to Megatron, the other Decepticons see him as a two-faced snake. As Communications Officer, Soundwave sees and hears all, and will not hesitate to use blackmail to keep himself high in Megatron's esteem. The other Decepticons wouldn't mind abandoning him on the battlefield -- if they thought Megatron would let them get away with it.

Soundwave commands [[Mini-Cassette|a legion of cassette troops]] to carry out tasks big and small. He has a symbiotic relationship with them, providing them transportation and a cheap, if cramped, place to live in his chest. Sometimes he lets them all out to watch impromptu gladiator games, or takes them to discotheques. In return, they perform spy and recon missions for him, and make sure no one calls him "unchrasimatic".

He also has all the personality of a stump (as evidenced in his computer-style speech). He also has no imagination, sending the aforementioned cassettes on operations with mundane names.

{{quote|As you command, Megatron.|Soundwave, eternal loyalist}}<ref>[[The Transformers: The Movie]]</ref>

:''Italian name'': '''Memor''', '''Vizar''' (as Soundblaster)<br>
:''RTM dub name'': '''New Soundwave''' (as Soundblaster)<br>
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Radar''', '''Sonore''' (as Action Master)
:''Hungarian name'': '''Fülelő''' (meaning Listener)

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
''(Note: Events from the UK-only comic stories are in italics.)''
[[Image:Contentedfools.jpg|left|thumb|200px|[[Ravage]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], and Soundwave, the first Decepticons.]]
After the Transformers' awakening on Earth, Soundwave served quietly under Megatron, before he was overthrown by [[Shockwave]]. Under Shockwave's command, Soundwave attacked the [[Blackrock Aerospace Plant]] and secured it for Decepticon use. {{storylink|Warrior School!}} The plant's facilities were used to create the [[Constructicons]], who built a massive radio dish that Soundwave used to beam a message back to Cybertron. {{storylink|The Next Best Thing to Being There!}} ''Soundwave assumed leadership of the Decepticons a short time later and led them against the Autobots during the "Dinobot Hunt," during a brief period when both Megatron and Shockwave were missing in action.'' {{storylink|Dinobot Hunt!}}

When Megatron resurfaced, rendered immobile in a Wyoming coal mine due to lack of fuel, Soundwave sped to his rescue, re-energizing him. {{storylink| I, Robot Master!}} ''Using the splintered state of the Decepticon forces to his advantage, Soundwave worked both sides of the field, reporting to both Megatron and the returned Shockwave, without the other's knowledge. When Shockwave learned that the human [[Buster Witwicky]] had begun to suffer [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-induced visions of the [[combiner|next leap in Transformer evolution]], Soundwave reported this to Megatron, prompting him to battle Shockwave for leadership. The Decepticons' human ally, [[Robot Master]], televised the battle, much to Soundwave's distaste, and in order to prevent the Decepticons from looking like fools, interrupted the duel and insisted that they agree to a joint leadership.'' {{storylink|Second Generation!}}

[[Image:Laserbeakwarriorschool.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Fly, my pretties, fly!]]
''When the [[Robot-Master]] hoax the Decepticons were perpetrating was threatened by the investigate work of [[Joy Meadows]], Soundwave was instrumental in ending the conflict that ensued between the Decepticons and the Dinobots by holding the reporter hostage and destroying her footage.'' {{storylink|In the National Interest!}} ''Not long thereafter, when the deranged future Decepticon, [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], traveled back in time, Soundwave was intrigued by the fact that he was unable to scan his mind to discern the truth of his identity. Siding with Megatron when conflict erupted, Soundwave and his leader were buried under an avalanche by Galvatron, and then rescued by the Autobots in the name of forming an alliance to defeat their common enemy.'' {{storylink|Target 2006}}

''It would be some time before Soundwave came back to the fore, and his return to the spotlight was an ignominious one. With Megatron having apparently died, Soundwave was now once again under Shockwave's command, and, while patrolling on the Decepticon's mobile island base, found himself attacked and subdued by the time-travelling freelance peace-keeping agent, [[Death's Head]], and tricked into giving up information on the whereabouts of Galvatron.'' {{storylink|Hunters!}} ''Although Death's Head's attempts to track down the Decepticon met with failure, Galvatron was ultimately entombed in lava, where he was later discovered by [[Susan Hoffman]]. Soundwave observed a televised broadcast of her discovery, and he and the [[Combaticon]]s attempted to destroy Galvatron with explosives planted around the volcano in question. After a battle with the [[Throttlebot]]s, Soundwave found that he was unable to remotely detonate the explosives planted around the volcano thanks to Blaster jamming his signal.'' {{storylink|Ladies' Night}}

[[Image:Soundwave uscomics.jpg|thumb|left|G2 before it was cool.]]When Shockwave was removed from power, Soundwave smoothly transitioned to serving under the new Decepticon leader Ratbat, and helped to operate his [[Realvision]] playback system to decode data from Autobot tapes [[Grand Slam]] and [[Raindance]]. {{storylink|The Flames of Boltax!}} The tapes, it was discovered, contained information on the [[Underbase]], the power of which was soon claimed by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], who immediately targeted the Earth. Soundwave co-led the defense of New York alongside [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], but was deactivated by a blast of cosmic power from Starscream. {{storylink|Dark Star!}}

''It would be some time before Soundwave was operational again, but was back on his feet by the time that Starscream, now a [[Pretender]], was busy doubting his self-worth.'' {{storylink|Fallen Star}} He continued to operate under the command of the new Decepticon Earth commander, [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]].

''In 2007, in the alternate future world of [[Earth-120185]], Soundwave was second-in-command of the Decepticon forces under Shockwave, and succeeded him after Death's Head assassinated him on the orders of [[Unicron]].'' {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}} ''In 2008, Soundwave entered into an alliance with the [[Quintesson]]s, arranging to attack the Autobots as part of a larger plan. He was, however, unaware of the aliens' true plans to take control of Cybertron, and found himself double-crossed when the Quintessons ambushed the Decepticons en route to their attack on the Autobots. The Autobots, led by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], saved Soundwave's forces from the Quintessons, and they joind forces to repel the Quintesson invasion.'' {{storylink|Space Pirates!}} ''Finally, in 2009, Soundwave led the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] back in time to 1989, where they briefly participated in the "Time Wars," before returning to their own time in the midst of the conflict to save their own hides.'' {{storylink|Time Wars}}

====Earthforce====

''In the tangent timeline that is home to the Autobot [[Earthforce]] team, Soundwave nominally served on Megatron's side during the Decepticon Civil War, but, once again, was not above exploiting the conflict for his own ends. When an energon shipment was hijacked by Shockwave's forces thanks to information he had given them, Megatron came to suspect the presence of a traitor in his ranks, but ironically assigned Soundwave to identify them. To keep his own duplicity a secret, he sets up [[Wildrider]] to take the fall, and Megatron destroys the [[Stunticon]].'' {{storylink|Secrets}}

''Approached by Starscream with a plan to make them both Decepticon leaders, Soundwave joined forces with the schemer and lured Megatron and Shockwave to an airport, tipping off the Autobots to their location. With the two leaders thus occupied, Soundwave and Starscream take control.'' {{storylink|Internal Affairs!}}'' Subsequently, Soundwave led an all-out attack on the Earthforce base as a diversion, while Starscream attempts to plunder an oil tanker. Starscream meets with failure, however, leading Soundwave to withdraw his forces, and wonder if he should not take leadership for himself alone.'' {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}} ''Starscream is aware of Soundwave's goals, and when he is attacked by a group of alien assassins, suspects that he has ordered the hit and strikes back at him. Soundwave is able to convince him he is not responsible - in actuality, it was the work of Megatron and Soundwave.'' {{storylink|External Forces!}}

''Learning that human reporter [[Irwin Spoon]] had secured an interview with the Autobots that could potentially resolve public view of the Transformer war. Seeking to prevent this, he has the Stunticons captured the journalist, and although the Autobots are able to rescue him, a carefully planted [[cerebro-shell]] ensures that the story Irwin writes is anything but accurate.'' {{storylink|End of the Road!}}

===Animated continuity===
====''The Transformers''====
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (US), [[Issei Masamune]] (Japan)
[[Image:Cybertronsoundwave.jpg|thumb||left|Before the tape recorder, he was a lamp post. It's hard to take him seriously sometimes.]]

Prior to his arrival on Earth, Soundwave had the questionably useful [[altmode]] of a space-age lamp-post. This allowed him to get as close to Autobot headquarters as the street leading into [[Iacon]], but thankfully his chest-dwelling minion [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] could snoop even closer. The loyal Laserbeak overheard talk of the Autobot mission to seek new energy sources off Cybertron, which prompted the fateful Decepticon interception mission that eventually landed both teams on Earth.

Immediately after the Transformers awakened on Earth in 1984, Soundwave played an essential role in the generation of [[energon cube]]s and the formation of plans for a new space cruiser to return the Decepticons to Cybertron. He sounded really cool when he talked about these, too. Soundwave was reformatted as a portable cassette player, which allowed him to dupe a grabby and none-too-questioning [[Spike Witwicky]] into carrying his shrunken form into the [[Ark]] headquarters. This was to happen many times to the seemingly tape-deck addicted citizens of Earth.

Later, he used his mind-reading talents to acquire an [[antimatter]] formula for the Decepticons from the brain of [[Chip Chase]]. One of Soundwave's most notable misadventures came in in 1985, when, operating a plan conceived by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], he brainwashed humans with ultrasonic vibrations inside the Decepticon-built night club [[Dancitron]] in [[New York City]], leading to a confrontation with his Autobot Communications Officer counterpart, [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], beginning a lasting rivalry between the two.

[[Image:Soundwaveg1.jpg|thumb|right|200px|We'll get you next time, Gadget.]]

Soundwave rarely displayed much emotion, and only infrequently exhibited any cunning and self-serving traits. He came across as extremely loyal to Megatron, even going so far as to recover the mortally wounded leader after being left for dead at the Battle of Autobot City in 2005. But while Soundwave was loyal, he was far from stupid, and kept his mouth shut when Megatron was subsequently ejected into space, and although he did suggest himself as a replacement leader, he again loyally served Megatron when he returned as [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]].

In the year 2006, although operating in a less prominent capacity for most of the time, Soundwave played a prominent role in Galvatron's attempt to learn the secret of a sonic weapon on the planet [[Eurhythma]], where sound and music were the way of life, leaving Soundwave entranced by the planet's perfect melodies. Recording each piece of the harmony that formed the devastating sonic effect, Soundwave was defeated when the Eurhythmans countered the harmony with white noise, and was again pulled into a confrontation with Blaster, who erased his recordings.

=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformer'' manga=====

While Megatron and the Decepticons engaged the Autobots in battle in Arizona, Soundwave and his cassettes were dispatched to do something unspecified but likely ''evil'' in Tokyo. Optimus Prime dispatched a unit of Autobots, lead by Bumblebee and [[Kenji]] to track them down. He was ultimately defeated when Bumblebee got the drop on him with his patented "Bumble-Kick" and shattered his chest, making it impossible for his cassette forces to return to him, leaving them to be captured as well.

''The manga maintained something resembling continuity: during his appearance in the third issue of the book, Soundwave was shown to have bandages over his chest. Adorable.''

=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformer'' story pages=====

In the second "Anime Theater" story page, titled ''Sick em, Hound!'', the Autobots decided to keep themselves in shape by having a friendly race. Soundwave learned of the race and set up a trap within a narrow canyon. He walled the Autobots up within the canyon and began shooting them all. Luckily, [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] arrived on the scene and delivered a powerful punch to his chest, shattering his tape door. Soundwave immediately fled.

====''Headmasters''====

Shortly after the arrival of the [[Headmaster]]s, Soundwave and Blaster engaged in their final clash in the Arctic circle as the Autobots and Decepticons were in the process of searching for the missing Autobot [[Matrix]] of Leadership. The two opponents inflicted fatal damage on each other, and Soundwave's body exploded even as Blaster collapsed, but his fragments were recovered by his cassettes. Using reconstructive technology from the planet [[Master]], the leader of the Decepticon Headmasters, [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] successfully rebuilt and resurrected Soundwave as '''Soundblaster''' - essentially identical to his former self, except for his predominantly black color scheme. As Soundblaster, Soundwave served the same role as he had previously under the leadership of Galvatron and later Scorponok, frequently embarking on spying missions with [[Ratbat]].

=====''Headmasters'' manga=====

After the Decepticons had been vanquished from Earth, [[Scorponok (G1)|Mega Zarak]] ordered Soundblaster to remain on Earth in secret to act as a spy for the Decepticons. Soundblaster made his presence and intentions known almost instantly (not a very good spy) by kicking [[Wheelie]] square in the face and taking the [[Spike Witwicky|Witwicky]] family hostage. Strangely enough, the Autobots considered these acts to be hostile. [[Chromedome]] was left powerless to do anything but surrender, as [[Slugfest]] and [[Overkill]] brutalized [[Spike Witwicky|Spike]] and threatened [[Carly]]. Daniel finally snapped and beat the living crap out of the two Cassette dinosaurs, leaving Soundblaster open to Chromedome's poorly named "Master-Chrome Hurricane Throw to the End of Hell!" Chromedome chucked Soundblaster over the horizon where he landed near the rogue Decepticon, [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]].

===Kid Stuff Talking Story Books continuity===
:''Voice actor:'' Unknown

In ''[[When Continents Collide]]'', [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] calls Soundwave a "blundering tape-filled idiot." This is notable because it is hilarious. Also, Soundwave is really, really whiny in these stories.

===''Beast Wars''===
Soundwave is shown among the many Transformers strewn about the interior of the Ark when the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] infiltrates the ship on his mission to destroy Optimus Prime.

In the [[3H]] ''Tales of the Beast Wars'' comics, Soundwave is one of the ancient warriors who appears from [[J'nwan]] to help battle the warlord [[Shokaract]].

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===Dreamwave Generation 1 continuity===
Soundwave was chosen by Megatron to lead his second assassination team against the new Autobot supreme Commander, Optimus Prime. With the aid of his cassette troops, most notably Ravage, as well as [[Shrapnel]], [[Bombshell]], and [[Kickback]], it was assumed he would have no problem with a young, peace loving Autobot. Soundwave, like many others, underestimated Prime's resolve and was quickly incapacitated. He recovered quickly enough to rescue Megatron after the latter's own battle with Prime.
Soundwave was among the Decepticons who quickly joined Shockwave's forces upon returning to Cybertron. It seems clear, however, that Soundwave had little loyalty to him, as he readily joins up with Starscream when the [[Seeker]] decides to return to Earth and take over. Though Soundwave feigned subservience to Starscream, it is later revealed that he had been serving Megatron the entire time in secret.

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===Devil's Due G.I.Joe vs. Transformers comics===

===IDW comics continuity===
{{spoiler}}
Long before the war began, Soundwave was the personal assistant to Senator [[Ratbat]]. When [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] caught Ratbat's eye as a champion of the illegal underground gladiatorial matches, Ratbat sent Soundwave to offer Megatron funding and weapons technology. When [[Bumper|two]] [[Fastback|Autobots]] were discovered listening in on their conversation, Soundwave dispatched Ravage, Buzzsaw, and Laserbeak to capture them. Some time later, Soundwave was assigned to find a warrior with flight capabilities. He found the [[Seeker]]s Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker. During a recruitment rally where Megatron attempted to kill [[Decimus|Senator Decimus]], a raid by the Autobots under [[Sentinel Prime]] resulted in the partcipants being arrested. Soundwave, however, was freed under [[Senate]] directive, something which greatly angered the Prime. Soundwave had apparently switched loyalties at this time, becoming one of Megatron's own in not only helping Starscream exterminate Kaon senators but also to the extent that he destroyed Ratbat's original body nd forced him into the relatively weak cassette form, forcing him into the Decepticons. {{storylink|Megatron Origin}}

Centuries later, after [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] disappeared, Megatron assigned [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] to delve into his research and relay all the information back to him. As the Decepticon leader did not fully trust Bludgeon, he also assigned Soundwave to spy on him. Soundwave followed Bludgeon and his team as they left for Earth in 1984 and established a base within Mt. St. Helens, eventually discovering that they intended to resurrect [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]. Though he tried to stop them, [[Iguanus]] used an experimental cannon from Shockwave's arsenal to lock him in his alt mode while they instigated a volcanic eruption. He was eventually recovered by a team of unwitting humans who sold him to a pawn shop. He remains sitting in the window to this day. {{storylink|Spotlight: Soundwave}}

In a reponse to his Script (W)rap blog [http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/script-wrap-14/#comment-1864], Simon Furman has reported that Soundwave will make a brief appearence in ''Devestation #4''

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Soundwave''' (Decepticon, 1984/1985, 2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''17''', '''TFC-10'''

: Soundwave transforms into a realistically-sized microcassette recorder of indeterminate manufacture, and includes weapons that turn into imitation batteries to power his nonexistent circuitry. [[Takara]]'s release of Soundwave in the ''[[Transformers]]'' line was nearly identical to the ''[[Microchange]]'' "MC-10 Cassette Man" toy on which he was based. This meant that along with being packaged with [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (previously a red "MC-01 Micross"), he came with a set of non-functioning headphones that allowed you to not listen to the silence not recorded on his non-functioning tapes with the non-functioning microphone. [[Hasbro]] packaged Soundwave with [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] rather than Rumble, and omitted the other non-functioning accessories.

: Soundwave was included in the VS-Y versus pack along with Rumble and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]].

: For 2003, Soundwave was reissued as part of Takara's [[Transformers Collection]] "book-box" series. This iteration of Soundwave came packaged with [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]].

*'''Soundblaster''' (Decepticon, 1987, 2005)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-101''', '''TFC-18'''

: As part of the Japanese ''[[Headmasters (franchise)|Headmasters]]'' series, Soundwave was [[redeco]]ed and [[retool]]ed so that he could hold two Cassettes in his chest at once. Soundblaster's tape door was cast in transparent red plastic to allow the information on the "readout" decal, unique to the ''Headmasters'' decos of the cassettes, to be seen, functioning in the same manner as the Tech Specs decoders. The readouts of the Decepticon cassettes showed the "weak points" of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. Soundblaster came packaged with Buzzsaw.

: Soundblaster saw reissue in the Transformers Collection series in 2005, packaged together with Buzzsaw and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]].

*'''Soundwave with Wingthing''' (Action Master, 1990)

: [[Action Master]] Soundwave is a non-transforming action figure who combines elements of his cartoon model and original toy. He is compatible with any other Action Master weapon or vehicle. He came packaged with his new partner [[Wingthing]].

===Generation 2===
*'''Soundwave''' (Go-Bot, 1995)
: A [[redeco]] of the [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bot]] [[Gearhead]], Soundwave transforms into a Ford Thunderbird stock car with precision wheels and wire axles, compatible with "Hot Wheels" and "Matchbox" playsets and tracks (which he was properly sized to fit).

: Notably, his color scheme is very '''loud''', being bright shades of fluorescent yellow, pink and blue. This is one time fans can actually get away with describing a toy's color scheme as [[neon]].

===Machine Wars===
*'''Soundwave''' (Mega, 1997)
: ''[[Machine Wars]]'' Soundwave was a [[redeco]] of the [[Predator]] [[Stalker]] minus Stalker's handgun and its missiles and with the sighting gimmick having been removed from the missile. In this incarnation Soundwave transforms into tracked missile carrier.

===Smallest Transformers===
*'''Soundwave and Ravage''' (2003)
: Like all of the ''[[Smallest Transformers]]'', this version of Soundwave is a tiny replica of his G1 form. He came with ''Smallest Transformers'' Ravage, who is probably ''the'' smallest Transformer ever.

===Universe===
*'''Soundwave & Space Case''' (Ultra, 2004)
: The ''Machine Wars'' version of Soundwave was redecoed for release in the ''[[Universe]]'' line in an Ultra-level two-pack with [[Space Case]]. Due to the lack of fiction, it is ''possible'' that this incarnation is in fact an alternate-universe version of Soundwave, or possibly a new character altogether.

===Titanium===
*'''Soundwave'''
: A new representation of his G1 form, this Soundwave transforms into a slightly redesigned version of his original microcassette player mode. He also comes with a VERY tiny Laserbeak that transforms into a black rectangle vaguely resembling a microcassette and is almost (but not quite) as small as ''Smallest TF'' Ravage. He can also fit inside of Soundwave's chest. Both of Soundwave's guns resemble batteries and fit into the battery compartment on his back.

===Classics (2006)===
*'''Soundwave''' (Commemorative Edition, 2007)

: Despite having packaging that claims ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' Soundwave is "Identical to the original toy", this version is actually a redeco of the [[Transformers Collection]] Sound''blaster'' reissue in Soundwave's original colors. Like the Soundblaster reissue, ''Classics'' Soundwave is packaged with "Battle" Ravage, as well as Laserbeak, recolored from Soundblaster's Buzzsaw. In a move rare for a US release of this toy, the set included two [[Takara]] clear plastic cassette cases. Exclusive to Toys 'R' Us stores, Soundwave had been intended for the [[Commemorative Series]], but after the cancellation of that line he was added to ''Classics'', although the phrase "Commemorative Edition" is prominently displayed on the front and sides of the box.

:''(It is interesting to note that while the actual product uses the Soundblaster mold, the package photos show Soundwave with the single-tape door mold used for Takara's TFC-10 reissue.)

===Attacktix===
*'''Soundwave''' (Booster, 2007)

===Unreleased===
:In ''Generation 2'', a [[redeco]] of the [[Laser Cycle]] [[Road Pig]] was planned as Soundwave, but ultimately never released, one of many planned redecos that never made it. Some packaged samples do exist.

==Merchandise==
[[Image:Music label soundwave.jpg|left|thumb|200px|SOUNDWAVE: SUPERIOR. ALL OTHER MUSIC PLAYERS: INFERIOR.]]
===Soundwave Playing Audio Player (2007)===

* Released by [[TakaraTomy]]'s Music Label (which also puts out a not-half-as-cool Convoy iPod stand), Soundwave is an MP3 player which takes a miniSD card. The box says it can take up to 1 GB, but many claims have shown it can support upwards to 2 GB. Uses 1 AAA battery. An optional accessory, sold separately, feature headphones that transform into [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]].
* The player also features a transformation almost entirely accurate to his G1 appearance. He also comes with two sets of hands, his shoulder cannon, and a sidearm.
* As of this writing, SanDisk has not indicated any plans to release tie-in miniSD cards named [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] or [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]]. It's sure to [[Transformers:_Rise_of_the_Chevy_Autobots|only be a matter of time]], though.

==Trivia==
*According to an interview in the magazine ''Otaku USA'' (issue 3, pg. 102-3), the original Microchange toy and the accompanying cassettes were at least partially designed by famed mecha designer and anime director [[Shinji Aramaki]]. He did not come up with the transformation scheme, but designed most of the outward appearance and details. He also worked on the toys that became the deluxe [[Insecticon]]s, [[Reflector]], and [[Perceptor]].
* Including the ''Microchange'' "Cassette Man" version, the original Soundwave mold has sported at least four different tape doors:
** The original MC-10 version had a cassette door that had "Cassette Man" emblazoned on it, and featured a hinge that was internal to the robot's body.
** For the initial ''Transformers'' release by Hasbro, the "Cassette Man" text was removed.
** When Takara's Soundwave was released, the hinge was remolded so the bottom of the door attached to the outside of the robot, on either side of the "buttons", which had also been remolded.
** The Soundblaster version had a door that retained the external hinge and added the capacity for holding a second cassette.

[[Image:Soundwavecommercial.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Say hello to my leetle friend!]]

* Though Soundwave's toy is a microcassette recorder, his fictional appearances depict him as a stereo cassette deck or Walkman. (Likewise, his microcassette tapes are depicted as regular audio cassettes.)

* Animation from early ''Transformers'' commercials featured a Soundwave model colored in very light blue, versus the dark blue used later. Also, instead of the cassettes ejecting themselves from his chest, he reached into his chest compartment with his own fingers and threw the (tiny) tapes into the air.

* Soundwave's distinctive voice proved to be one of G1's most memorable aspects. The highly-processed voice began with Frank Welker basically doing his Dr. Claw voice. Whether due variations in the performance or the processing, the final result varied quite a bit across Soundwave's three seasons on the show. Occasionally, as in the episodes [[Roll For It]] and [[Webworld]], the processing was left out and Welker's actual voice can be heard.

* The Marvel US comics chose a purple scheme for Soundwave. This could have been an error, an early look for him that was dropped in other media, or perhaps an attempt to distinguish him from the other Decepticons, who were mostly blue (especially since blacks also ended up as blues in the industry's then-limited color palette). The Marvel UK comics colored him blue like everywhere else.

[[Image:Bm soundwave.jpg|thumb|right|Soundwave gets [[slag (slang)|slagged]] by Vehicons, and Nightscream escapes. How's that for injustice?{{storylink|Forbidden Fruit}}]]

* Soundwave's computer model was used for one of the generic transformers in Beast Machines seen in [[Nightscream]]'s flashback being cornered by [[Vehicon]] drones just before Nightscream fled into the lower levels of Cybertron. Though the model was recolored, it was still really <span title="This may not be an actual word" style="cursor:help;">'Soundwavey,'</span> causing much confusion among fans.

* Later, Soundwave's character model showed up numerous times in various color schemes as a generic background character in [[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]].

* [[Sideways]] listened to music using a tape deck resembling Soundwave in the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]] cartoon. Later, after a new [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]] was found, ''Cybertron'' [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]] held tape deck Soundwave in his arms.

*In the Japanese dub of the [[Generation 1 (television series)|Generation 1 cartoon]] as well as the [[manga]], all of Soundwave's cassette forces which could talk referred to him as "big brother". It should probably be noted, though, that this is a fairly common way to refer to others you admire and such in Japanese. Then again, it's also seen as a cute term of endearment from girls and young women, so... yeah. Take it as you will. Whatever it says about his relationship with them, it does give new meaning to the phrase [[Wikipedia:Big Brother (Nineteen Eighty-Four)|"Big Brother is watching over you"]].

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==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Soundwave/soundwave.htm Soundwave at TFU.info]
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Soundwave Soundwave's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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