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		<title>Talk:Cyclonus (G1)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==Main Image==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you guys think I should bother scanning in that image of angry Cyclonus brooding in a chair from TF: Genesis?  Not that I don&#039;t like the Pioneer DVD image (I uploaded that one myself) but that other pic is pretty sweet.  Worth the effort? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I love Cyclonus&#039; box art. I hate you. And someday I will destroy you utterly. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Stuff==&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh Good, I was wonderign if Cyclonus had an article big enough to support all these pictures.  The answer is apparently &#039;yes&#039; Nice work McFeely -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I was under the impression that Cyclonus, Scourge, and Galvatron were all considered to be the heralds of Unicron.  Perhaps they weren&#039;t specifically named as such in the movie, but I thought that it was sort of a given that that&#039;s what they were. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 10:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:We&#039;re supposed to stick with canonical information, not retarded fan terms years after the fact that aren&#039;t accurate to the actual meaning of the word. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 14:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think, truthfully, in the movie Galvatron is the only herald, and the rest are his &amp;quot;troops to command.&amp;quot;  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I still don&#039;t see how the movie guys are heralds. They weren&#039;t sent somewhere to prepare for Unicron&#039;s arrival; all Unicorn had them do was try to destroy the Matrix. Moot point, I guess, since the G1 Galvatron in the Armada comics actually was a herald. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 17:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::For the record, Cyclonus is now included on the Heralds of Unicron page. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Who is Cyclonus? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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# This section is too long.&lt;br /&gt;
# It doesn&#039;t mention the HoC Cyclonus spec, which seems to present a sane perspective on the issue.  ([http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/b22f78deda9fad3d?dmode=source&amp;amp;hl=en quoted] here because Neale was X-no-archiving because he doesn&#039;t understand copyright law.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could probably be pared down a little, but in my opinion the section &#039;&#039;should&#039;&#039; be moderately long.  Anyway, the HoC thing... so... what, it just ambiguously says he&#039;s made from dead guys?  Like the TFU entry apparently does?  Sure, that could stand to be mentioned.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: The dead guy&#039;&#039;&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;, plural, struck me as the relevant part here.  This entire section hand-wrings over Skywarp-or-Bombshell, but we have a source explicitly saying he&#039;s &#039;&#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039;&#039; made from any single Decepticon. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::We&#039;ve had a source like that since 1986. It&#039;s the TFU profile, as noted already. -[[User:LV|LV]] 20:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*pretends he was aware of this.*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;  I still feel the plurality issue if under-represented (being presented as if it was part of one of many viewpoints- not the only word of cannon in a vacuum.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just moved some text over from [[Cyclonus&#039;s Armada]].  I am curious about the statement here -- and it was also in the other article -- that there are &amp;quot;three&amp;quot; Sweeps shown through the movie.  I know that in Season 3 there were way more than that.  Did we really never get above three in the film itself?  Has somebody carefully gone through and made sure that only three appear, or is this something where one time some random fan saw a shot that had three and was like, &amp;quot;oh hey the armada *became* a sweep&amp;quot; and then everybody just repeats that until the end of time?  Also, would it be dumb to split this section off into its own page so it won&#039;t bog down the main Cyclonus article?  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This wiki talks a lot about &amp;quot;Cyclonus is Skywarp&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Cyclonus is Bombshell&amp;quot;. I think we people who believe Cyclonus is his own guy deserve the same amount of space as the other theories. However, each time you see Cyclonus and Skywarp together, you say &amp;quot;then Cyclonus is Bombshell&amp;quot;. That&#039;s not fair play. I&#039;m DAMartin, but I don&#039;t remember if I&#039;m logged in or not.&lt;br /&gt;
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While we&#039;re citing semi-official sources it might be worth noting that Call Of The Future unambiguously states that Bombshell was turned into Cyclonus - Diem&lt;br /&gt;
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===Break off into subarticle?===&lt;br /&gt;
I think we should make the &amp;quot;Who is Cyclonus?&amp;quot; section its own subarticle of Cyclonus (G1), and leave a &amp;quot;Main article at&amp;quot; thing there for folks to follow.  I&#039;d just go ahead and do it, but maybe someone really cares that the section is in the body of the article.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:44, 20 November 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree, at least insofar as it doesn&#039;t feel right to put it in the cartoon section because it draws from sources like the &#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; comic and toy bios. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 11:21, 9 March 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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===&amp;quot;Armada Decepticon&amp;quot; sticker===&lt;br /&gt;
{{note|This conversation has been moved to [[Talk:Cyclonus&#039;s Armada#&amp;quot;Armada Decepticon&amp;quot; sticker|Talk:Cyclonus&#039;s Armada]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===The obvious answer now===&lt;br /&gt;
He&#039;s Lugnut.  Lugnut was at the Battle of Autobot City and was super-loyal.  Obviously he was just thrown out of Astrotrain when nobody was looking and was turned into Cyclonus off-camera.  PROBLEM SOLVED THANKS HOOP.  [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:14, 9 March 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Bombshell description==&lt;br /&gt;
This comes from the comparison of Bombshell and Skywarp&#039;s personalities:&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Other aspects of the argument make claims regarding the personalities of the characters; for example, Bombshell held a high-ranking position within Insecticons (alternating leadership with Shrapnel)...&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
So, what, Bombshell and Shrapnel just took turns bossing [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] around? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I thought that sounded strange when I read it. I&#039;ve always considered Shrapnel the de facto leader behind the Insecticons... I don&#039;t really recall Bombshell ever calling the shots. Can someone point me to some episodes /comic issues where I can see this? [[User:Rose.T|Rose.T]] 16:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::The insecticons are hardly loyal to &#039;tron. Seekers were more notable,while insecticons were &#039;&#039;mostly&#039;&#039; background characters,even to the point where they had to clone theirselves to even be noticed,it would not make sense for a seeker to become a clone of the character that actually was part of a clone army. &#039;&#039;just&#039;&#039; my opinion though. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 21:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Toy Fair notes? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ve just noticed that in the [[:Image:ToyFair1986-TFpage08.jpg|Toy Fair 1986 catalogue]] Cyclonus has not only swapped names with Scourge but also he has a different colour scheme, one which resembles his earliest appearances in the UK comic. Anyone know if the names are just a catalogue screw-up or part of the original plans? [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 20:15, 13 May 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rodimus vs Cyclonus Comic ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is the Battle in Space comic that came free with the Rodimus and Cyclonus 2 pack canon? It is not mentioned on this page at all. Shouldn&#039;t we at least say that Cyclonus was supposed to get troops but they never &amp;quot;materialized.&amp;quot; Or because it is just a pack-in comic to sell toys and they change many models of the characters, we don&#039;t mention it on this page?[[User:MrLordGalvatron|MrLordGalvatron]] 11:44, 24 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: It&#039;s canon, just not added to this page yet.  It would get its own subsection just like it does on Hot Rod&#039;s page.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:45, 24 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Should I add it on, or wait for someone else. I am not sure I can write it as good as someone else.[[User:MrLordGalvatron|MrLordGalvatron]] 12:00, 24 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Horn issue==&lt;br /&gt;
Since I&#039;m missing issue #1, can somebody tell me how Cyclonus lost his horn because the IDW timeline doesn&#039;t state the reason? [[User:Ed|Ed]] 17:04, 6 November 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, because the IDW timeline page totally should point out every minor injury suffered by every character. Have you even &#039;&#039;tried&#039;&#039; reading Cyclonus&#039;s article to find out? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:18, 6 November 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Ok I&#039;ve found out. He got it during a brawl with Whirl. [[User:Ed|Ed]] 17:23, 6 November 2012 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Windblade_(G1)&amp;diff=906295</id>
		<title>Talk:Windblade (G1)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;Why the disambig?  Is there any other Windblade character extant or planned?  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 23:41, 25 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The Japanese Kre-O manga had a Kreon version of her. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:45, 25 January 2014 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
==Scabbard==&lt;br /&gt;
There are tabs on each side of her scabbard that seem to plug into the slots on her thighs (it seems like a logical place to store it too) The instructions doesn&#039;t mention anything about this. Could it be a legitimate feature or am I imagining things. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] ([[User talk:Riddlerj|talk]]) 21:28, 13 September 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Despite not being labeled as such anywhere on the packaging, she is also recognized as #30 of the Thrilling 30 toys sub-series.&amp;quot; - There&#039;s a big ol&#039; &amp;quot;30 of 30&amp;quot; on the packaging of mine, bought from Amazon. - Diem, who doesn&#039;t know how to sig.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers:_The_Ride_%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%80%9C_3D&amp;diff=790524</id>
		<title>Talk:Transformers: The Ride â€“ 3D</title>
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&lt;div&gt;One of the Morshower&#039;s lines while going through the group line includes this little gem: Bravo Alpha Young. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:16, 30 May 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Universal Stream==&lt;br /&gt;
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Mostly for my own amusement, but what would the universal stream be for a theme park ride? [[Universal stream|Tyran 1211 Delta]] (motion picture/live action) or Theta (live performance/spoken word)? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 08:21, 1 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think Delta is restricted to the actual movies themselves. This ride sounds more like it would fall under the heading of live performance (Theta). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:43, 1 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Transformers Ride Grindor/Blackout ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Where does it indicate that the character seen on the Transformers Ride is Grindor? How do we know its not Blackout? Can someone explain or give me some sort of proof, if not then it could be either Blackout or Grindor for that matter. Plus he is not named during the ride. {{unsigned|87.102.115.194}}&lt;br /&gt;
:The story includes an AllSpark shard. Since Blackout was killed before the AllSpark was destroyed, wouldn&#039;t that strongly suggest it&#039;s not him? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:25, 4 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well Barricade features during the ride, despite not featuring in the Revenge of the Fallen film and you say its the hunt for the Shard well Barricade didn&#039;t help pursuing the Shard, so the character still maybe Blackout. {{unsigned|87.102.115.194}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::Except that Barricade &#039;&#039;wasn&#039;t killed in the first movie&#039;&#039;, where Blackout WAS. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:24, 4 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::To further verify that it&#039;s Grindor, NOT Blackout, I&#039;ve been in the group line at the ride where it takes you through several rooms with multiple screens. Profiles of the Decepticons are cycled, and one of the profile uses &amp;quot;Grindor&amp;quot;. During the room where you&#039;re almost about to &amp;quot;board&amp;quot; Evac and the part where the base is being &amp;quot;invaded&amp;quot;, Wheelie outright says &amp;quot;Decepticon &#039;&#039;Grindor&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;. If there are doubts, I&#039;ll take pictures and/or a video. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:26, 5 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::And here&#039;s [http://tinypic.com/r/2mhirvd/6 Decepticon Grindor]. Not the best of shots, I know, but I was past that point in the line already and we were moving again. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:42, 9 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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= G1 Bumblebee ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On the Hollywood ride I am almost entirely sure that in the final room where the wreckage of Megatron can be found there is a wrecked yellow Beetle. It is on the left in a hard-to-spot location. Has anyone else seen this or am I just imagining things?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Cyclonus (G1)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==Main Image==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you guys think I should bother scanning in that image of angry Cyclonus brooding in a chair from TF: Genesis?  Not that I don&#039;t like the Pioneer DVD image (I uploaded that one myself) but that other pic is pretty sweet.  Worth the effort? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I love Cyclonus&#039; box art. I hate you. And someday I will destroy you utterly. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Stuff==&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh Good, I was wonderign if Cyclonus had an article big enough to support all these pictures.  The answer is apparently &#039;yes&#039; Nice work McFeely -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I was under the impression that Cyclonus, Scourge, and Galvatron were all considered to be the heralds of Unicron.  Perhaps they weren&#039;t specifically named as such in the movie, but I thought that it was sort of a given that that&#039;s what they were. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 10:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:We&#039;re supposed to stick with canonical information, not retarded fan terms years after the fact that aren&#039;t accurate to the actual meaning of the word. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 14:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think, truthfully, in the movie Galvatron is the only herald, and the rest are his &amp;quot;troops to command.&amp;quot;  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I still don&#039;t see how the movie guys are heralds. They weren&#039;t sent somewhere to prepare for Unicron&#039;s arrival; all Unicorn had them do was try to destroy the Matrix. Moot point, I guess, since the G1 Galvatron in the Armada comics actually was a herald. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 17:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::For the record, Cyclonus is now included on the Heralds of Unicron page. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Who is Cyclonus? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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# This section is too long.&lt;br /&gt;
# It doesn&#039;t mention the HoC Cyclonus spec, which seems to present a sane perspective on the issue.  ([http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/b22f78deda9fad3d?dmode=source&amp;amp;hl=en quoted] here because Neale was X-no-archiving because he doesn&#039;t understand copyright law.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could probably be pared down a little, but in my opinion the section &#039;&#039;should&#039;&#039; be moderately long.  Anyway, the HoC thing... so... what, it just ambiguously says he&#039;s made from dead guys?  Like the TFU entry apparently does?  Sure, that could stand to be mentioned.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: The dead guy&#039;&#039;&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;, plural, struck me as the relevant part here.  This entire section hand-wrings over Skywarp-or-Bombshell, but we have a source explicitly saying he&#039;s &#039;&#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039;&#039; made from any single Decepticon. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::We&#039;ve had a source like that since 1986. It&#039;s the TFU profile, as noted already. -[[User:LV|LV]] 20:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*pretends he was aware of this.*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;  I still feel the plurality issue if under-represented (being presented as if it was part of one of many viewpoints- not the only word of cannon in a vacuum.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just moved some text over from [[Cyclonus&#039;s Armada]].  I am curious about the statement here -- and it was also in the other article -- that there are &amp;quot;three&amp;quot; Sweeps shown through the movie.  I know that in Season 3 there were way more than that.  Did we really never get above three in the film itself?  Has somebody carefully gone through and made sure that only three appear, or is this something where one time some random fan saw a shot that had three and was like, &amp;quot;oh hey the armada *became* a sweep&amp;quot; and then everybody just repeats that until the end of time?  Also, would it be dumb to split this section off into its own page so it won&#039;t bog down the main Cyclonus article?  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This wiki talks a lot about &amp;quot;Cyclonus is Skywarp&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Cyclonus is Bombshell&amp;quot;. I think we people who believe Cyclonus is his own guy deserve the same amount of space as the other theories. However, each time you see Cyclonus and Skywarp together, you say &amp;quot;then Cyclonus is Bombshell&amp;quot;. That&#039;s not fair play. I&#039;m DAMartin, but I don&#039;t remember if I&#039;m logged in or not.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Bombshell description==&lt;br /&gt;
This comes from the comparison of Bombshell and Skywarp&#039;s personalities:&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Other aspects of the argument make claims regarding the personalities of the characters; for example, Bombshell held a high-ranking position within Insecticons (alternating leadership with Shrapnel)...&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
So, what, Bombshell and Shrapnel just took turns bossing [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] around? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I thought that sounded strange when I read it. I&#039;ve always considered Shrapnel the de facto leader behind the Insecticons... I don&#039;t really recall Bombshell ever calling the shots. Can someone point me to some episodes /comic issues where I can see this? [[User:Rose.T|Rose.T]] 16:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::The insecticons are hardly loyal to &#039;tron. Seekers were more notable,while insecticons were &#039;&#039;mostly&#039;&#039; background characters,even to the point where they had to clone theirselves to even be noticed,it would not make sense for a seeker to become a clone of the character that actually was part of a clone army. &#039;&#039;just&#039;&#039; my opinion though. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 21:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Cyclonus_(G1)&amp;diff=403844</id>
		<title>Talk:Cyclonus (G1)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==Main Image==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you guys think I should bother scanning in that image of angry Cyclonus brooding in a chair from TF: Genesis?  Not that I don&#039;t like the Pioneer DVD image (I uploaded that one myself) but that other pic is pretty sweet.  Worth the effort? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I love Cyclonus&#039; box art. I hate you. And someday I will destroy you utterly. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh Good, I was wonderign if Cyclonus had an article big enough to support all these pictures.  The answer is apparently &#039;yes&#039; Nice work McFeely -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I was under the impression that Cyclonus, Scourge, and Galvatron were all considered to be the heralds of Unicron.  Perhaps they weren&#039;t specifically named as such in the movie, but I thought that it was sort of a given that that&#039;s what they were. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 10:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:We&#039;re supposed to stick with canonical information, not retarded fan terms years after the fact that aren&#039;t accurate to the actual meaning of the word. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 14:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think, truthfully, in the movie Galvatron is the only herald, and the rest are his &amp;quot;troops to command.&amp;quot;  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I still don&#039;t see how the movie guys are heralds. They weren&#039;t sent somewhere to prepare for Unicron&#039;s arrival; all Unicorn had them do was try to destroy the Matrix. Moot point, I guess, since the G1 Galvatron in the Armada comics actually was a herald. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 17:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::For the record, Cyclonus is now included on the Heralds of Unicron page. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 21:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Who is Cyclonus? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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# This section is too long.&lt;br /&gt;
# It doesn&#039;t mention the HoC Cyclonus spec, which seems to present a sane perspective on the issue.  ([http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/b22f78deda9fad3d?dmode=source&amp;amp;hl=en quoted] here because Neale was X-no-archiving because he doesn&#039;t understand copyright law.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It could probably be pared down a little, but in my opinion the section &#039;&#039;should&#039;&#039; be moderately long.  Anyway, the HoC thing... so... what, it just ambiguously says he&#039;s made from dead guys?  Like the TFU entry apparently does?  Sure, that could stand to be mentioned.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: The dead guy&#039;&#039;&#039;s&#039;&#039;&#039;, plural, struck me as the relevant part here.  This entire section hand-wrings over Skywarp-or-Bombshell, but we have a source explicitly saying he&#039;s &#039;&#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039;&#039; made from any single Decepticon. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::We&#039;ve had a source like that since 1986. It&#039;s the TFU profile, as noted already. -[[User:LV|LV]] 20:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*pretends he was aware of this.*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;  I still feel the plurality issue if under-represented (being presented as if it was part of one of many viewpoints- not the only word of cannon in a vacuum.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just moved some text over from [[Cyclonus&#039;s Armada]].  I am curious about the statement here -- and it was also in the other article -- that there are &amp;quot;three&amp;quot; Sweeps shown through the movie.  I know that in Season 3 there were way more than that.  Did we really never get above three in the film itself?  Has somebody carefully gone through and made sure that only three appear, or is this something where one time some random fan saw a shot that had three and was like, &amp;quot;oh hey the armada *became* a sweep&amp;quot; and then everybody just repeats that until the end of time?  Also, would it be dumb to split this section off into its own page so it won&#039;t bog down the main Cyclonus article?  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This wiki talks a lot about &amp;quot;Cyclonus is Skywarp&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Cyclonus is Bombshell&amp;quot;. I think we people who believe Cyclonus is his own guy deserve the same amount of space as the other theories. However, each time you see Cyclonus and Skywarp together, you say &amp;quot;then Cyclonus is Bombshell&amp;quot;. That&#039;s not fair play. I&#039;m DAMartin, but I don&#039;t remember if I&#039;m logged in or not.&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it worth noting that the Takara PS2 game explicitly and unambiguously states that Cyclonus was created from Bombshell? - Diem&lt;br /&gt;
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==Bombshell description==&lt;br /&gt;
This comes from the comparison of Bombshell and Skywarp&#039;s personalities:&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Other aspects of the argument make claims regarding the personalities of the characters; for example, Bombshell held a high-ranking position within Insecticons (alternating leadership with Shrapnel)...&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
So, what, Bombshell and Shrapnel just took turns bossing [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] around? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I thought that sounded strange when I read it. I&#039;ve always considered Shrapnel the de facto leader behind the Insecticons... I don&#039;t really recall Bombshell ever calling the shots. Can someone point me to some episodes /comic issues where I can see this? [[User:Rose.T|Rose.T]] 16:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::The insecticons are hardly loyal to &#039;tron. Seekers were more notable,while insecticons were &#039;&#039;mostly&#039;&#039; background characters,even to the point where they had to clone theirselves to even be noticed,it would not make sense for a seeker to become a clone of the character that actually was part of a clone army. &#039;&#039;just&#039;&#039; my opinion though. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 21:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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