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Strafe (G1)

2014-08-27T20:47:50Z

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:''Strafe is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:G1Strafe MTMTE.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|What happens when you cross-breed Starscream and Shockwave. Logical and psychopathic.]]
'''Strafe''' is a really nice guy, one of the kindest, gentlest mechanoids you could ever hope to meet, and he's a crack shot with his heat-ray rifle, too. It's said that Strafe can burn a hole in a screw head (size not specified) from two miles away. Too bad he can't tighten up the loose screws in his own cranial module, though. He's got a case of nerves that could very well cause [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] to fear for his job security, and when startled he tends to SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT FIRE FIRE BANG BANG BANG KILL KILL KILL IT DEAD DEAD DEAD without stopping to aim or analyze the threat, and doesn't quit until he's shot down or runs out of heat-ray charges. Sometimes, though, all is quiet... too quiet... and he doesn't like that, either. SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT FIRE FIRE BANG BANG KILL KILL KILL...

He can combine with the other [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] to form [[Computron (G1)|Computron]], and seems to make a rather calm limb. Sometimes he's a [[Targetmaster]], in which case his partner is [[Rocketbot]].

{{bigquote|I mean, we got us some fast action! Hard action! Action hard and fast! Action to get the old pumps pumpin'! Action to — HUH? — YAHOOOO!|Strafe, always excitable|"[[Money Is Everything]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
[[File:Technobots attack.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|This is seriously my only American appearance as just myself and not an arm.]]
Strafe was among the Autobots who departed [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] to escape the cycle of war without end. When the refugees sought peace on the planet [[Nebulos]], Strafe put in an uncredited appearance as [[Computron (G1)|Computron]]'s arm, helping to defend the resort city of [[Splendora]] against [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]]. {{storylink|Love and Steel!}}

Their travels taking them to Earth, Strafe and his fellow Technobots bravely attempted to defend of [[Buenos Aires]] against the [[Underbase]]-powered [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], but were felled virtually instantly by the villain's cosmic power. {{storylink|Dark Star}}
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=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
[[File:Autobots attack space pirates.jpg|thumb|upright=1.95|This is seriously the only appearance of my full robot mode. I'm at the back. Third from the left.]]
In [[2008]], Strafe was one of several Autobots stationed at [[Autobase]] on Cybertron under the command of [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. Responding to a mysterious call for help, they discovered that astonishingly, the call came from the Decepticons. Even more astonishing, it was genuine. Strafe and the Autobots joined forces with their Decepticon counterparts in driving a marauding crew of [[Quintesson]]s off the planet. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}

[[File:Rodimus shoots strafe white fire.jpg|thumb|left|125px|This is seriously the only time anyone says my name.]]
After the [[Time Wars]] rebooted future history, Strafe was next seen stationed at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] in [[2009]]. When the [[Future Autobot evacuation ship|Autobot evacuation ship]] from Cybertron crashed down instead of landing safely, Strafe flew out to help alongside [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]]. {{storylink|Shadow of Evil}} What they found was Autobot commander [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]], aglow with evil and possessed by the living malice of [[Unicron]] that had infected the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] a year earlier. Strafe was apparently killed in the resulting conflict before Rodimus regained control of his actions. {{storylink|White Fire}}

[[File:Rodimus technobots wreckers peace.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Yep, that's me, way in the back.]]
In another alternate future, the last Decepticon was destroyed by [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and the [[Wrecker]]s in [[2510]]. However, as Rodimus Prime announced the end of the war and prepared to hand over leadership to Springer, the Autobots soon came to blows over a misunderstanding caused by Strafe's ally [[Triton]] and the war broke out again almost as soon as it had ended. Strafe and the Technobots formed a new faction under Ultra Magnus, battling against the Wreckers. {{storylink|Peace}}
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===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Steve Bulen]] (English), [[Kōji Totani]] (Japanese), [[Kenichi Sakaguchi]] (Japanese, "The Rebirth")|[[Ulrich Bernsdorff]] (German, ''Grimlocks New Brain''), [[Reinhard Brock]] (German, ''Money is Everything''), [[Hans-Rainer Müller]] (German, ''The Rebirth, Part 1'')}}
[[File:GrimlocksNewBrain strafe robotmode.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4]]
Strafe was created, like the other Technobots, by the temporarily super-intelligent [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] from components found within [[Unicron]]'s head. The exuberant newborn Autobot was immediately presented with the task of using his flight and firepower to disable Unicron's internal defenses, which he accomplished with ease. The Technobots were subsequently dispatched to aid the Autobots fighting on Unicron's surface against the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]]s, and defeated their combined form of Abominus by merging into Computron. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}
[[File:MoneyIsEverything strafe vehiclemode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
Less than a week later, Strafe the other Technobots were assigned to an [[Earth Defense Command]] science unit in order to learn how to interact with [[human]]s. When reports came in from EDC headquarters of an unknown spacecraft entering the planet's atmosphere, Strafe joined [[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]] and [[Marissa Faireborn]] in investigating, and in his eagerness for some action, Strafe wound up opening fire on the craft. He was too busy watching it crash and congratulating himself to notice that the ship had actually been pursued by [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Grr]] of the Terrorcons, who took both him and Scattershot down, but the pair were saved from the two-headed terror by the timely arrival of the rest of their Technobot comrades. The crashed ship's owner, unscrupulous trader [[Dirk Manus]], agreed to lead the heroes to a hidden [[Quintesson]] base he had discovered on [[Titan (moon)|Titan]], and Strafe, Scattershot and [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)|Lightspeed]] set off with him the next day. Strafe had little patience for Lightspeed's rambling on the beauty of space, but soon found himself something much worse to complain about when the team was ambushed by Abominus and sent plummeting to the moon's surface. [[File:MoneyEverything Technobots Sharktisneak.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4]] [[Nosecone (G1)|Nosecone]], [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]] and Faireborn soon arrived to help, but they were all rounded up by Manus and handed over to the Quintessons, the Technobots' injuries having left them unable to combine. However, the whole thing was a complex double-cross by Manus, eager for revenge on the Quintessons following a deal gone wrong; he used the molecular disassembler/reassembler known as the [[Recreator]] to heal Strafe and the Technobots' injuries, and they defeated Abominus and the Quintessons. {{storylink|Money Is Everything}}

Strafe and his team later got a chance for a rematch with the Terrorcons when they attempted to stop them stealing a heat-resistant alloy from Doctor [[Mark Morgan]]'s laboratory, but this battle ended in failure for the Technobots, and Strafe was tasked with summoning [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] to provide medical care for [[Jessica Morgan|Morgan's daughter]], who was injured in the battle. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}}

Months later, Strafe was at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], talking with his fellow Technobots and the [[Throttlebot]]s about what a glorious day it was, and about how every day had been a glorious one ever since they ended the threat of the Decepticons once and for all, and the days would continue to be glorious as long as... okay, you know what's coming. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in Japanese continuity as described above, with the distinction that they take place in 2010, rather than 2006. Japanese continuity inserts multiple additional stories into the timeline.}}
=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
Strafe and his Technobot comrades were under construction at [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] when the Autobots sought the aid of Doctor [[Dalton (G1)|Dalton]] in improving their abilities. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}} Dalton heavily upgraded the Technobots' weaponry, allowing the combined Computron to easily outmatch the Decepticon combiner, Abominus. As the Decepticon motto goes, however: When in doubt, cheat. [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] outfitted the Terrorcons with "[[Cohesive Control Liquid]]", a substance that enabled them to assume control over Computron. Dalton arranged for [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] to use a special [[exosuit]] to approach Computron safely and administer an antidote. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 2|The Great Transformer War #2}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
[[File:DemonMeteorite strafe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
In [[2011]], when the Decepticons launched a major attack on Cybertron, Strafe and the Technobots joined the Dinobots on the front lines of defense. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} Not long after, when [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] left to search for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] on Earth, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] gathered Strafe and the Technobots to prevent the Decepticons from hampering his quest. Strafe and his teammates backed Hot Rod up after he located the Matrix, combining into Computron to hold off the Decepticons who had pursued him so that he could return to Cybertron. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

Later, after the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aeriabots]] fell victim to [[Metamorphose]], the Decepticons' metal-twisting meteorite weapon, the Strafe and the Technobots were sent out to recover their damaged comrades for repairs, only to be intercepted by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and the Terrorcons. The fighting escalated with new arrivals on both sides, with the Decepticons trying to keep their foes occupied until the meteorite reached [[Athenia]], but soon [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Battleship Maximus]] arrived to carry the Headmasters into space to confront the meteorite, so the Technobots formed Computron and covered their retreat. {{storylink|Approach of the Demon Meteorite}}

[[File:ExplosiononMars technobots.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Aw yeah, standin' at the FRONT!]]
When [[buridanka|a giant carnivorous plant]] was unleashed upon [[San Francisco]] by the Decepticon, Ultra Magnus sent the Technobots to deal with the incident. Strafe joined his comrades in battling the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], first as individuals and later combined as Computron and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. {{storylink|Head On!! Fortress Maximus}} Not long after, the Trainbots ran into trouble on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]], and Strafe and his team were on the way to help when [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] intervened, keeping the Technobots occupied and unable to aid their comrades on the red planet. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger}}

Strafe and the Technobots were part of a strike team that flew to the [[Moon (moon)|moon]] to disrupt Scorponok's gathering of Decepticons. They immediately formed Computron upon entering the battle. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}} Strafe's regiment later helped load the Trainbots with energon supplies for the destitute planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]]. They were attacked by the greedy Decepticons and fought back both as the mighty Computron and as individuals, using the Trainbots' large vehicle modes as a shield. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

Strafe and his fellow Technobots accompanied Fortress on his quest to prevent the Decepticons from stealing energy elsewhere in the galaxy. During this extended mission, Strafe and his teammates formed Computron to battle [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] on the planet [[Paradise]]. {{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}} Upon their return to Earth, the team were deployed to counter a Decepticon attack in [[Miami]], where they battled Abominus as Computron, {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Decepticons attacks around the Earth only continued to escalate, and Strafe and the Technobots were dispatched as Computron to one of the many battle sites. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}

When the Decepticons seemingly abandoned Earth, Strafe and the Technobots assisted Spike in rebuilding the planet after the enemy's departure. They started out by combining into Computron to help Defensor and Raiden destroy the Decepticons' Earth deserted base, wiping out all trace of the villains' presence on the planet. {{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}}

As part of Computron, Strafe participated in the Autobots final battle with Scorponok's Decepticons at the North Pole. He lent his energies to the Headmasters' [[Head Formation]] to revitalize Fortress Maximus at the critical moment. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

=====''Gentei! Gentei!''=====
When Grimlock created the Technobots, he didn't build them from scratch: In actuality, he reconstructed a number of dead bodies he found within Unicron's head, former victims of the planet-eater. In the midst of a battle with the Decepticons, Strafe took the full brunt of an attack from the villains, triggering the inexplicable transformation of his body back into its original form, a body whose design Unicron had evidently mimicked when he created [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]. This baffling reconfiguration merely invigorated Strafe, who gained hugely increased flight speed and a new [[Targetmaster]] partner, [[Rocketbot]]. {{storylink|#genteitoy|Strafe's ''Gentei! Gentei!'' toy bio}}

====''Wings Universe''====
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{{storylink|Hoist the Flag}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[File:Stormbringer1 Jetfire Strafe.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|"Oooh... Strafe feels much damage coming on."]]
Strafe and the other Technobots crewed the Autobot vessel ''[[Calabi-Yau]]'', under the command of [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. When strange energy emissions were detected from beneath the long-dead Cybertron, Strafe—possessed of a noticeable stutter—was nervous about landing on the planet to investigate, but accompanied Jetfire, Scattershot and Lightspped on the reconnaissance mission nonetheless. Just as they were about to return to their ship, they were captured by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s group of Decepticons. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}} Strafe and the other captives were cannibalized for raw materials for Bludgeon to use in his attempt to recreate the [[Pretender]] process {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 2|Stormbringer #2}} but they all survived the experience and helped uncover the key to defeating the revenant [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 4|Stormbringer #4}}

[[File:BeforeandAfter-RainingAutobots.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|I am a very important character!]]
Sometime later, in the aftermath of [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]]'s attack on [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], the Technobots and the crew of the ''[[Ark-27]]'' arrived to take the [[Pretender Monster|combiners]] into custody. {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}} They brought them to the [[Garrus-9]] facility, where they tried to reform the Decepticons and rid them of their "group consciousness". Before the Technobots could make much progress, the Monstructor components were stolen during a Decepticon attack. {{storylink|Spotlight: Arcee}}

As the threat of the [[Expansion]] came to light, Strafe and the Technobots used Bludgeon's [[Pretender]] technology to make shells to protect Autobots from the hazards of the [[Dead Universe]].{{storylink|Spotlight: Doubledealer}} Using the ''[[Nightbird (ship)|Nightbird]]'', they then saved the crew of the ''[[Mirror-Manifold]]'' and gave them the shells. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

Following the end of the war, Strafe joined the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' on their journey to find the [[Knights of Cybertron]]. He participated in a battle with a group of rogue Decepticons on the planet [[Temptoria]]. {{storylink|Before & After}}
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==Commercial appearances==
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*Strafe spotted the Terrorcons as they approached [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], swooping low over the monsters before returning to his teammates to prepare for their rivals' attack. While his comrades engaged the Terrorcons, Strafe lay in waiting with a snare trap, which [[Sinnertwin (G1)|Sinnertwin]] stepped into; Strafe then rocketed off, dragging the bound Terrorcon behind him. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1|Technobots and Terrorcons commercial}}
*Faced with the might of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], Strafe and his fellow Technobots dodged the huge Decepticons' claws and merged into Computron to fight back, but they were quickly bowled over when Scorponok hurled a mountain at them. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1|Computron and Scorponok commercial}}
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==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
[[File:TFPS2 strafes vs octane.jpg|thumb]]
Strafe was one of the Autobots who joined the battle on the planet [[Zel Samine]] over the powerful [[Zel Quartz]]. Combined with his fellow Technobots as Computron, he confronted the Decepticons on two occasions, first attempting to prevent them from obtaining a drillbit from the [[Karzite mine]], and then later striving to bar their entrance to the [[ELTA|Enormous Laser Transmission Array]]. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

{{Note|Strafe is a non-playable character who appears only among the legion of Autobot duplicates in the Decepticon campaign, and as part of Computron when he appears in the story.}}
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===''Transformers Legends''===
[[File:TFLegends strafe evolution.jpg|left|thumb|upright=2.2]]
Strafe, along his Technobot teammates, were ambushed by the Terrorcons, who feared the power of [[Computron (G1)|Computron]]. Strafe attempted to pin down the assailants while Afterburner attempted to call for reinforcements. {{storylink|Circuit Breaker (Legends)|Circuit Breaker}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:G1Strafe toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Only a Technobot could get this much firepower from a pair of Cheetos.]]
*'''Strafe''' (Technobot, 1987)
**''Team ID number:'' '''TK3'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-87'''
**''Accessories:'' "Heat Ray Rifle", 2 "Light-Pulse Blasters"

:Strafe transforms into a Cybertronic "rocket plane" (according to his instructions) with twin front-mounted "light-pulse blasters". These cannons can also be used as hand-held weapons in robot mode, making him the only Technobot that can use his vehicle-mode weapons in that manner. As a [[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]-style combiner, he can form the limb to any similar-construction super robot, though his nominal placement is as the left arm of [[Computron (G1)|Computron]].

:Later individual releases of all five Technobots were [[retool]]ed to remove their [[rubsign]] indents. There is also a packaging variant for all four small Technobots, which included a random bonus Autobot [[Decoy|"Decoy" mini-figurine]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Strafe/strafe.htm More information on Strafe at TFU.info]''
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[[File:G1toy computron giftset.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Computron''' (Multi-pack, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-91'''
**''Accessories:'' "Heat Ray Rifle", 2 "Light-Pulse Blasters"

:All five Technobots were also made available in a complete gift set in multiple markets. The gift set versions are identical to their individual releases.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Computron/computron.htm More information on Computron at TFU.info]''
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===Generation 2===
[[File:G2Strafe-toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Now with white cheddar flavored Cheetos!]]
*'''Strafe''' (Cyberjet, 1995)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles

:For ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', Strafe was given an altmode much more closely conforming to traditional aircraft designs. As a [[redeco]] of the [[Decepticon]] [[Cyberjet]] [[Space Case (G2)|Space Case]], he is a forward swept wing fighter resembling the [[Wikipedia:X-29|X-29]] and [[Wikipedia:Su-47|Su-47 Berkut]] experimental aircraft. His right arm has a launcher that fires pressure-launch missiles. These missiles store on the undersides of his wings in vehicle mode.

:This toy was released with no deco changes (but with an extra decal sheet) in Japan as the former-Decepticon-turned-Autobot [[Strafe (G2)|Strafe]]. This mold was also used for the 2004 ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' version of Space Case and ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' [[X-Gunner]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1995/Autobot/Strafe/strafe.htm More information on Cyberjet Strafe at TFU.info]''
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===Gentei! Gentei!===
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[[File:Gentei-strafe-g1-toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Wikipedia:The Man with the Golden Gun|The Robot with the Golden Gun]]]]
*'''Strafe''' (Deluxe, 2009)

:A redeco of the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' series]] [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Cyclonus toy]], replacing the purple with white, the three shades of gray with red, orange, white, and black, and clear red with colorless clear plastic. Strafe transforms into a Cybertronic starfighter. He comes with a partner figure named [[Rocketbot]] who transforms into a blaster that can be mounted on the vehicle mode's back or plugged into Strafe's wrist sockets to emulate the ''[[Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]]'' style of [[Targetmaster]] connection.

:Strafe is an [[exclusive]] for members of the [[Transformers Basecamp]] web site in Japan, which is itself exclusive to those who own a ''Transformers''-themed Visa credit card. The ordering period for Strafe ran from [[March 2|March 2nd]] through [[April 30|April 30th]] in [[2009]]. Though his cardback and bubble placard are new, he comes with Cyclonus's [[instructions]] and comic/catalog.

:This mold was also used to make "[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]] and [[BotCon 2014]] [[Ferak]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Cybertron/Strafe/strafe.htm More information on Gentei Strafe at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://snakas.web.fc2.com/classic/gentei_strafe.html More images of Gentei Strafe at Autobase Aichi]''

{{note|"Gentei!" is Japanese for "Exclusive!", and a pun on the normal "[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei!]]" line name.}}
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===Transformers (2010)===
[[File:TF2010toy-Strafe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Now in Peppermint!]]
*'''Strafe''' (Voyager Class, 2011)

:A [[redeco]] of the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Voyager-class [[Mindwipe (ROTF)#Toys|Mindwipe]], Strafe transforms into a stealth fighter jet similar to an [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#F-117A Nighthawk|F-117 Nighthawk]]. He has two flip-out swords/daggers under his arms that he can deploy to use as weapons. As part of his transformation, bending his wings back in robot mode activates a Mech Alive gear-driven feature where the tips of the wings retract and four small blades reveal themselves along the edge of the wing. Strafe's paint app budget went into the very large Autobot [[insignia]] he wears across his wings, which is quite possibly the largest insignia ever on a [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'']] [[toy]]. Strafe is sold as part of "[[Reveal the Shield]]", a [[subline imprint]] featuring [[rubsign]]s on all its releases. Y'know, just in case his wings didn't make his faction clear enough.

:Strafe's vehicle mode, like the other toys using the same mold, can be perched upon by [[Skystalker (ROTF)#Revenge of the Fallen|Skystalker]], [[Sunspot]], [[Laserbeak (G1)#Generations|Laserbeak]] and the exclusive [[Smokescreen (G2)#TokyoToyShow|Smokescreen]]. Except they're all Decepticons, so it would be terribly inappropriate fraternization.

:This mold was also redecoed as the Tokyo Toy Show [[exclusive]] ''Generation 2'' [[Dreadwing (G2)#TokyoToyShow|Dreadwing]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Strafe/strafe.htm More information on Strafe at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
*In some printings of ''Stormbringer'', Strafe's stutter occasionally pops up in Scattershot's lines. (Maybe it's contagious?)
* When the bio of the 2011 Strafe toy went up on the official website, it used the adjective "[[Over-Run (PCC)#Notes|spastic]]" to describe him. This was later changed to "twitchy." Hmmmm.
* The Mini-Con Strafe representing [[Swoop (G1)|G1 Swoop]] in the [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Age of Extinction]] [[Strafe (AOE)#TRUEvolution|Strafe Evolutions 2-Pack]] mistakenly<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0uG8JszvCs&t=23m5s] Botcon 2014 Interview - Hasbro's Mark Weber - Transformers Manager of Global Brand Development</ref> has ''this'' Strafe's package art instead of Swoop's G1 art and lists him as a "stealth fighter" (what our wiki described the 2010 ''Transformers'' Strafe toy as). This was because they no longer had the original G1 Swoop's box art, and having bought an original to scan marketing had already printed it with Strafe's. Whoops!

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Strafe''' (ストレイフ ''Sutoreifu'')
*''French:'' '''Mitraille''' (Canada)
*''Italian:'' '''Rocketbot'''
*''Russian:'' '''Shtraf''' (Штраф, "Fine")

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Strafe Strafe's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Strafe (G1)

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:''Strafe is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:G1Strafe MTMTE.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|What happens when you cross-breed Starscream and Shockwave. Logical and psychopathic.]]
'''Strafe''' is a really nice guy, one of the kindest, gentlest mechanoids you could ever hope to meet, and he's a crack shot with his heat-ray rifle, too. It's said that Strafe can burn a hole in a screw head (size not specified) from two miles away. Too bad he can't tighten up the loose screws in his own cranial module, though. He's got a case of nerves that could very well cause [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] to fear for his job security, and when startled he tends to SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT FIRE FIRE BANG BANG BANG KILL KILL KILL IT DEAD DEAD DEAD without stopping to aim or analyze the threat, and doesn't quit until he's shot down or runs out of heat-ray charges. Sometimes, though, all is quiet... too quiet... and he doesn't like that, either. SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT FIRE FIRE BANG BANG KILL KILL KILL...

He can combine with the other [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] to form [[Computron (G1)|Computron]], and seems to make a rather calm limb. Sometimes he's a [[Targetmaster]], in which case his partner is [[Rocketbot]].

{{bigquote|I mean, we got us some fast action! Hard action! Action hard and fast! Action to get the old pumps pumpin'! Action to — HUH? — YAHOOOO!|Strafe, always excitable|"[[Money Is Everything]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
[[File:Technobots attack.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|This is seriously my only American appearance as just myself and not an arm.]]
Strafe was among the Autobots who departed [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] to escape the cycle of war without end. When the refugees sought peace on the planet [[Nebulos]], Strafe put in an uncredited appearance as [[Computron (G1)|Computron]]'s arm, helping to defend the resort city of [[Splendora]] against [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]]. {{storylink|Love and Steel!}}

Their travels taking them to Earth, Strafe and his fellow Technobots bravely attempted to defend of [[Buenos Aires]] against the [[Underbase]]-powered [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], but were felled virtually instantly by the villain's cosmic power. {{storylink|Dark Star}}
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=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
[[File:Autobots attack space pirates.jpg|thumb|upright=1.95|This is seriously the only appearance of my full robot mode. I'm at the back. Third from the left.]]
In [[2008]], Strafe was one of several Autobots stationed at [[Autobase]] on Cybertron under the command of [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. Responding to a mysterious call for help, they discovered that astonishingly, the call came from the Decepticons. Even more astonishing, it was genuine. Strafe and the Autobots joined forces with their Decepticon counterparts in driving a marauding crew of [[Quintesson]]s off the planet. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}

[[File:Rodimus shoots strafe white fire.jpg|thumb|left|125px|This is seriously the only time anyone says my name.]]
After the [[Time Wars]] rebooted future history, Strafe was next seen stationed at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] in [[2009]]. When the [[Future Autobot evacuation ship|Autobot evacuation ship]] from Cybertron crashed down instead of landing safely, Strafe flew out to help alongside [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]]. {{storylink|Shadow of Evil}} What they found was Autobot commander [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]], aglow with evil and possessed by the living malice of [[Unicron]] that had infected the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] a year earlier. Strafe was apparently killed in the resulting conflict before Rodimus regained control of his actions. {{storylink|White Fire}}

[[File:Rodimus technobots wreckers peace.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Yep, that's me, way in the back.]]
In another alternate future, the last Decepticon was destroyed by [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and the [[Wrecker]]s in [[2510]]. However, as Rodimus Prime announced the end of the war and prepared to hand over leadership to Springer, the Autobots soon came to blows over a misunderstanding caused by Strafe's ally [[Triton]] and the war broke out again almost as soon as it had ended. Strafe and the Technobots formed a new faction under Ultra Magnus, battling against the Wreckers. {{storylink|Peace}}
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===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Steve Bulen]] (English), [[Kōji Totani]] (Japanese), [[Kenichi Sakaguchi]] (Japanese, "The Rebirth")|[[Ulrich Bernsdorff]] (German, ''Grimlocks New Brain''), [[Reinhard Brock]] (German, ''Money is Everything''), [[Hans-Rainer Müller]] (German, ''The Rebirth, Part 1'')}}
[[File:GrimlocksNewBrain strafe robotmode.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4]]
Strafe was created, like the other Technobots, by the temporarily super-intelligent [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] from components found within [[Unicron]]'s head. The exuberant newborn Autobot was immediately presented with the task of using his flight and firepower to disable Unicron's internal defenses, which he accomplished with ease. The Technobots were subsequently dispatched to aid the Autobots fighting on Unicron's surface against the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]]s, and defeated their combined form of Abominus by merging into Computron. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}
[[File:MoneyIsEverything strafe vehiclemode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
Less than a week later, Strafe the other Technobots were assigned to an [[Earth Defense Command]] science unit in order to learn how to interact with [[human]]s. When reports came in from EDC headquarters of an unknown spacecraft entering the planet's atmosphere, Strafe joined [[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]] and [[Marissa Faireborn]] in investigating, and in his eagerness for some action, Strafe wound up opening fire on the craft. He was too busy watching it crash and congratulating himself to notice that the ship had actually been pursued by [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Grr]] of the Terrorcons, who took both him and Scattershot down, but the pair were saved from the two-headed terror by the timely arrival of the rest of their Technobot comrades. The crashed ship's owner, unscrupulous trader [[Dirk Manus]], agreed to lead the heroes to a hidden [[Quintesson]] base he had discovered on [[Titan (moon)|Titan]], and Strafe, Scattershot and [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)|Lightspeed]] set off with him the next day. Strafe had little patience for Lightspeed's rambling on the beauty of space, but soon found himself something much worse to complain about when the team was ambushed by Abominus and sent plummeting to the moon's surface. [[File:MoneyEverything Technobots Sharktisneak.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4]] [[Nosecone (G1)|Nosecone]], [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]] and Faireborn soon arrived to help, but they were all rounded up by Manus and handed over to the Quintessons, the Technobots' injuries having left them unable to combine. However, the whole thing was a complex double-cross by Manus, eager for revenge on the Quintessons following a deal gone wrong; he used the molecular disassembler/reassembler known as the [[Recreator]] to heal Strafe and the Technobots' injuries, and they defeated Abominus and the Quintessons. {{storylink|Money Is Everything}}

Strafe and his team later got a chance for a rematch with the Terrorcons when they attempted to stop them stealing a heat-resistant alloy from Doctor [[Mark Morgan]]'s laboratory, but this battle ended in failure for the Technobots, and Strafe was tasked with summoning [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] to provide medical care for [[Jessica Morgan|Morgan's daughter]], who was injured in the battle. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}}

Months later, Strafe was at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], talking with his fellow Technobots and the [[Throttlebot]]s about what a glorious day it was, and about how every day had been a glorious one ever since they ended the threat of the Decepticons once and for all, and the days would continue to be glorious as long as... okay, you know what's coming. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in Japanese continuity as described above, with the distinction that they take place in 2010, rather than 2006. Japanese continuity inserts multiple additional stories into the timeline.}}
=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
Strafe and his Technobot comrades were under construction at [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] when the Autobots sought the aid of Doctor [[Dalton (G1)|Dalton]] in improving their abilities. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}} Dalton heavily upgraded the Technobots' weaponry, allowing the combined Computron to easily outmatch the Decepticon combiner, Abominus. As the Decepticon motto goes, however: When in doubt, cheat. [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] outfitted the Terrorcons with "[[Cohesive Control Liquid]]", a substance that enabled them to assume control over Computron. Dalton arranged for [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] to use a special [[exosuit]] to approach Computron safely and administer an antidote. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 2|The Great Transformer War #2}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
[[File:DemonMeteorite strafe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
In [[2011]], when the Decepticons launched a major attack on Cybertron, Strafe and the Technobots joined the Dinobots on the front lines of defense. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} Not long after, when [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] left to search for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] on Earth, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] gathered Strafe and the Technobots to prevent the Decepticons from hampering his quest. Strafe and his teammates backed Hot Rod up after he located the Matrix, combining into Computron to hold off the Decepticons who had pursued him so that he could return to Cybertron. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

Later, after the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aeriabots]] fell victim to [[Metamorphose]], the Decepticons' metal-twisting meteorite weapon, the Strafe and the Technobots were sent out to recover their damaged comrades for repairs, only to be intercepted by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and the Terrorcons. The fighting escalated with new arrivals on both sides, with the Decepticons trying to keep their foes occupied until the meteorite reached [[Athenia]], but soon [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Battleship Maximus]] arrived to carry the Headmasters into space to confront the meteorite, so the Technobots formed Computron and covered their retreat. {{storylink|Approach of the Demon Meteorite}}

[[File:ExplosiononMars technobots.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Aw yeah, standin' at the FRONT!]]
When [[buridanka|a giant carnivorous plant]] was unleashed upon [[San Francisco]] by the Decepticon, Ultra Magnus sent the Technobots to deal with the incident. Strafe joined his comrades in battling the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], first as individuals and later combined as Computron and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. {{storylink|Head On!! Fortress Maximus}} Not long after, the Trainbots ran into trouble on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]], and Strafe and his team were on the way to help when [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] intervened, keeping the Technobots occupied and unable to aid their comrades on the red planet. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger}}

Strafe and the Technobots were part of a strike team that flew to the [[Moon (moon)|moon]] to disrupt Scorponok's gathering of Decepticons. They immediately formed Computron upon entering the battle. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}} Strafe's regiment later helped load the Trainbots with energon supplies for the destitute planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]]. They were attacked by the greedy Decepticons and fought back both as the mighty Computron and as individuals, using the Trainbots' large vehicle modes as a shield. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

Strafe and his fellow Technobots accompanied Fortress on his quest to prevent the Decepticons from stealing energy elsewhere in the galaxy. During this extended mission, Strafe and his teammates formed Computron to battle [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] on the planet [[Paradise]]. {{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}} Upon their return to Earth, the team were deployed to counter a Decepticon attack in [[Miami]], where they battled Abominus as Computron, {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Decepticons attacks around the Earth only continued to escalate, and Strafe and the Technobots were dispatched as Computron to one of the many battle sites. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}

When the Decepticons seemingly abandoned Earth, Strafe and the Technobots assisted Spike in rebuilding the planet after the enemy's departure. They started out by combining into Computron to help Defensor and Raiden destroy the Decepticons' Earth deserted base, wiping out all trace of the villains' presence on the planet. {{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}}

As part of Computron, Strafe participated in the Autobots final battle with Scorponok's Decepticons at the North Pole. He lent his energies to the Headmasters' [[Head Formation]] to revitalize Fortress Maximus at the critical moment. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

=====''Gentei! Gentei!''=====
When Grimlock created the Technobots, he didn't build them from scratch: In actuality, he reconstructed a number of dead bodies he found within Unicron's head, former victims of the planet-eater. In the midst of a battle with the Decepticons, Strafe took the full brunt of an attack from the villains, triggering the inexplicable transformation of his body back into its original form, a body whose design Unicron had evidently mimicked when he created [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]. This baffling reconfiguration merely invigorated Strafe, who gained hugely increased flight speed and a new [[Targetmaster]] partner, [[Rocketbot]]. {{storylink|#genteitoy|Strafe's ''Gentei! Gentei!'' toy bio}}

====''Wings Universe''====
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{{storylink|Hoist the Flag}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[File:Stormbringer1 Jetfire Strafe.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|"Oooh... Strafe feels much damage coming on."]]
Strafe and the other Technobots crewed the Autobot vessel ''[[Calabi-Yau]]'', under the command of [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. When strange energy emissions were detected from beneath the long-dead Cybertron, Strafe—possessed of a noticeable stutter—was nervous about landing on the planet to investigate, but accompanied Jetfire, Scattershot and Lightspped on the reconnaissance mission nonetheless. Just as they were about to return to their ship, they were captured by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s group of Decepticons. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}} Strafe and the other captives were cannibalized for raw materials for Bludgeon to use in his attempt to recreate the [[Pretender]] process {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 2|Stormbringer #2}} but they all survived the experience and helped uncover the key to defeating the revenant [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 4|Stormbringer #4}}

[[File:BeforeandAfter-RainingAutobots.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|I am a very important character!]]
Sometime later, in the aftermath of [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]]'s attack on [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], the Technobots and the crew of the ''[[Ark-27]]'' arrived to take the [[Pretender Monster|combiners]] into custody. {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}} They brought them to the [[Garrus-9]] facility, where they tried to reform the Decepticons and rid them of their "group consciousness". Before the Technobots could make much progress, the Monstructor components were stolen during a Decepticon attack. {{storylink|Spotlight: Arcee}}

As the threat of the [[Expansion]] came to light, Strafe and the Technobots used Bludgeon's [[Pretender]] technology to make shells to protect Autobots from the hazards of the [[Dead Universe]].{{storylink|Spotlight: Doubledealer}} Using the ''[[Nightbird (ship)|Nightbird]]'', they then saved the crew of the ''[[Mirror-Manifold]]'' and gave them the shells. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

Following the end of the war, Strafe joined the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' on their journey to find the [[Knights of Cybertron]]. He participated in a battle with a group of rogue Decepticons on the planet [[Temptoria]]. {{storylink|Before & After}}
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==Commercial appearances==
[[File:Technobots.jpg|thumb]]
*Strafe spotted the Terrorcons as they approached [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], swooping low over the monsters before returning to his teammates to prepare for their rivals' attack. While his comrades engaged the Terrorcons, Strafe lay in waiting with a snare trap, which [[Sinnertwin (G1)|Sinnertwin]] stepped into; Strafe then rocketed off, dragging the bound Terrorcon behind him. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1|Technobots and Terrorcons commercial}}
*Faced with the might of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], Strafe and his fellow Technobots dodged the huge Decepticons' claws and merged into Computron to fight back, but they were quickly bowled over when Scorponok hurled a mountain at them. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1|Computron and Scorponok commercial}}
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==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
[[File:TFPS2 strafes vs octane.jpg|thumb]]
Strafe was one of the Autobots who joined the battle on the planet [[Zel Samine]] over the powerful [[Zel Quartz]]. Combined with his fellow Technobots as Computron, he confronted the Decepticons on two occasions, first attempting to prevent them from obtaining a drillbit from the [[Karzite mine]], and then later striving to bar their entrance to the [[ELTA|Enormous Laser Transmission Array]]. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

{{Note|Strafe is a non-playable character who appears only among the legion of Autobot duplicates in the Decepticon campaign, and as part of Computron when he appears in the story.}}
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===''Transformers Legends''===
[[File:TFLegends strafe evolution.jpg|left|thumb|upright=2.2]]
Strafe, along his Technobot teammates, were ambushed by the Terrorcons, who feared the power of [[Computron (G1)|Computron]]. Strafe attempted to pin down the assailants while Afterburner attempted to call for reinforcements. {{storylink|Circuit Breaker (Legends)|Circuit Breaker}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:G1Strafe toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Only a Technobot could get this much firepower from a pair of Cheetos.]]
*'''Strafe''' (Technobot, 1987)
**''Team ID number:'' '''TK3'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-87'''
**''Accessories:'' "Heat Ray Rifle", 2 "Light-Pulse Blasters"

:Strafe transforms into a Cybertronic "rocket plane" (according to his instructions) with twin front-mounted "light-pulse blasters". These cannons can also be used as hand-held weapons in robot mode, making him the only Technobot that can use his vehicle-mode weapons in that manner. As a [[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]-style combiner, he can form the limb to any similar-construction super robot, though his nominal placement is as the left arm of [[Computron (G1)|Computron]].

:Later individual releases of all five Technobots were [[retool]]ed to remove their [[rubsign]] indents. There is also a packaging variant for all four small Technobots, which included a random bonus Autobot [[Decoy|"Decoy" mini-figurine]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Strafe/strafe.htm More information on Strafe at TFU.info]''
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[[File:G1toy computron giftset.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Computron''' (Multi-pack, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-91'''
**''Accessories:'' "Heat Ray Rifle", 2 "Light-Pulse Blasters"

:All five Technobots were also made available in a complete gift set in multiple markets. The gift set versions are identical to their individual releases.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Computron/computron.htm More information on Computron at TFU.info]''
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===Generation 2===
[[File:G2Strafe-toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Now with white cheddar flavored Cheetos!]]
*'''Strafe''' (Cyberjet, 1995)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles

:For ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', Strafe was given an altmode much more closely conforming to traditional aircraft designs. As a [[redeco]] of the [[Decepticon]] [[Cyberjet]] [[Space Case (G2)|Space Case]], he is a forward swept wing fighter resembling the [[Wikipedia:X-29|X-29]] and [[Wikipedia:Su-47|Su-47 Berkut]] experimental aircraft. His right arm has a launcher that fires pressure-launch missiles. These missiles store on the undersides of his wings in vehicle mode.

:This toy was released with no deco changes (but with an extra decal sheet) in Japan as the former-Decepticon-turned-Autobot [[Strafe (G2)|Strafe]]. This mold was also used for the 2004 ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' version of Space Case and ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' [[X-Gunner]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1995/Autobot/Strafe/strafe.htm More information on Cyberjet Strafe at TFU.info]''
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===Gentei! Gentei!===
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[[File:Gentei-strafe-g1-toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Wikipedia:The Man with the Golden Gun|The Robot with the Golden Gun]]]]
*'''Strafe''' (Deluxe, 2009)

:A redeco of the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' series]] [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Cyclonus toy]], replacing the purple with white, the three shades of gray with red, orange, white, and black, and clear red with colorless clear plastic. Strafe transforms into a Cybertronic starfighter. He comes with a partner figure named [[Rocketbot]] who transforms into a blaster that can be mounted on the vehicle mode's back or plugged into Strafe's wrist sockets to emulate the ''[[Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]]'' style of [[Targetmaster]] connection.

:Strafe is an [[exclusive]] for members of the [[Transformers Basecamp]] web site in Japan, which is itself exclusive to those who own a ''Transformers''-themed Visa credit card. The ordering period for Strafe ran from [[March 2|March 2nd]] through [[April 30|April 30th]] in [[2009]]. Though his cardback and bubble placard are new, he comes with Cyclonus's [[instructions]] and comic/catalog.

:This mold was also used to make "[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]] and [[BotCon 2014]] [[Ferak]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Cybertron/Strafe/strafe.htm More information on Gentei Strafe at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://snakas.web.fc2.com/classic/gentei_strafe.html More images of Gentei Strafe at Autobase Aichi]''

{{note|"Gentei!" is Japanese for "Exclusive!", and a pun on the normal "[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei!]]" line name.}}
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===Transformers (2010)===
[[File:TF2010toy-Strafe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Now in Peppermint!]]
*'''Strafe''' (Voyager Class, 2011)

:A [[redeco]] of the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Voyager-class [[Mindwipe (ROTF)#Toys|Mindwipe]], Strafe transforms into a stealth fighter jet similar to an [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#F-117A Nighthawk|F-117 Nighthawk]]. He has two flip-out swords/daggers under his arms that he can deploy to use as weapons. As part of his transformation, bending his wings back in robot mode activates a Mech Alive gear-driven feature where the tips of the wings retract and four small blades reveal themselves along the edge of the wing. Strafe's paint app budget went into the very large Autobot [[insignia]] he wears across his wings, which is quite possibly the largest insignia ever on a [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'']] [[toy]]. Strafe is sold as part of "[[Reveal the Shield]]", a [[subline imprint]] featuring [[rubsign]]s on all its releases. Y'know, just in case his wings didn't make his faction clear enough.

:Strafe's vehicle mode, like the other toys using the same mold, can be perched upon by [[Skystalker (ROTF)#Revenge of the Fallen|Skystalker]], [[Sunspot]], [[Laserbeak (G1)#Generations|Laserbeak]] and the exclusive [[Smokescreen (G2)#TokyoToyShow|Smokescreen]]. Except they're all Decepticons, so it would be terribly inappropriate fraternization.

:This mold was also redecoed as the Tokyo Toy Show [[exclusive]] ''Generation 2'' [[Dreadwing (G2)#TokyoToyShow|Dreadwing]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Strafe/strafe.htm More information on Strafe at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
*In some printings of ''Stormbringer'', Strafe's stutter occasionally pops up in Scattershot's lines. (Maybe it's contagious?)
* When the bio of the 2011 Strafe toy went up on the official website, it used the adjective "[[Over-Run (PCC)#Notes|spastic]]" to describe him. This was later changed to "twitchy." Hmmmm.
* The Mini-Con Strafe representing [[Swoop (G1)|G1 Swoop]] in the [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Age of Extinction]] [[Strafe (AOE)#TRUEvolution|Strafe Evolutions 2-Pack]] mistakenly<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0uG8JszvCs&t=23m5s] Botcon 2014 Interview - Hasbro's Mark Weber - Transformers Manager of Global Brand Development</ref> has ''this'' Strafe's package art instead of Swoop's G1 art and lists him as a "stealth fighter" (what our wiki described the 2010 ''Transformers'' Strafe toy as). Whoops! This was later confirmed to be an issue that Hasbro was aware of. Apparently, not having the original art, Mark Weber purchased an original Swoop off of Ebay to have scanned, only to be told the marketing department had just taken G1 Strafe's from their records. Oh marketing (source- http://youtu.be/L0uG8JszvCs)

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Strafe''' (ストレイフ ''Sutoreifu'')
*''French:'' '''Mitraille''' (Canada)
*''Italian:'' '''Rocketbot'''
*''Russian:'' '''Shtraf''' (Штраф, "Fine")

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Strafe Strafe's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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'''Horrors await the small group of Autobots as they explore the wreckage of the ''Lost Light'', but all is not as it appears...'''

==Synopsis==

Overcoming their shock at the sight of the ruined ''[[Lost Light]]'', torn into three chunks and bleeding quantum foam, the remaining crew of the [[Rodpod]] conclude that, somehow, this is the time-displaced future version of the ship from which the coffin containing [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]]'s dead body originated. Setting down inside the wreckage to investigate, they soon realise that their impromptu landing pad appears to be [[Swerve's]], only it seems to have been refashioned as a playhouse, rather than a bar; a poster for a showing of "Information Creep", the play [[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]] is currently working on, seems to confirm that the ship is from the future. [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] brings out [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] to help in sniffing out the crew, though no-one is particularly pleased to see the cat-bot allowed to roam free. [[Nautica]] tries to be friendly, but makes the cardinal mistake of treating Ravage like a pet, and, suitably chastized by a swipe of his claws, decides to head off with [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] to fix the [[quantum generator]]s and stop the foam leakage. Presently, Ravage locates [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]]—or rather, [[Minimus Ambus]], slaughtered and stripped of the [[Magnus Armor]] post-mortem, which lies nearby. [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] identifies the fatal blast-wound in Ambus's side as having been caused by a [[fusion cannon]], and immediately turns on Megatron; the former Decepticon retorts that his fusion cannon was destroyed following his change of allegiance, and that furthermore, he had no knowledge of Minimus Ambus within the armor. But as Skids points out, as the ship is from their future, he now ''does'' possess that knowledge and could potentially act on it in that future. Shaken, Megatron realizes that it is actually not impossible for him to be responsible for the death and devastation, and suggests that he and Ravage be locked up until more answers are forthcoming.

In another section of the ship, Nightbeat and Nautica make their way to the engine rooms, talking about the strangeness of recent events. Recalling the appearance of the deceased [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]]'s "data ghost" leads Nightbeat to ask Nautica about her own romantic past, and from there to the topic of pair-bonding in general on [[Caminus]] in general; the engineer is amused by his bluntness, and asks the same questions of him. As they enter an elevator, extra gizmos added to Nautica's wrench by [[Brainstorm]] deliver a report on the local surroundings, identifying local space as "worn down", with many signs of extensive recent [[transwarp|teleportation activity]]. At that point, Nautica's foot bumps into something on the floor... ''Brainstorm's [[briefcase]].''

Locked in a cupboard together, an angry Ravage attacks Megatron, accusing him of betrayal and hoping that [[shadowplay]] is responsible for his change of heart, which Megatron denies. Ravage tells him that [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] is now in charge of the Decepticons, but that he will be abandoned immediately if Megatron but gives the word; Megatron despairs over the toxicity of Decepticon loyalty, and correctly deduces that Ravage was sent to spy on him by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], and that he was responsible for the attempted jailbreak during his trial. In response to Ravage's allegation that Megatron is unsure of his identity for the first time in his life, Megatron explains that his change of heart was motivated by the fact that, during his last talk with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] prior to the [[Chaos (IDW)|Chaos event]], he had spoken harsh words that he had intended only to wound Prime... only to realize that he ''believed'' them, and that he hated the person he had become. Ravage claims that in years to come, Megatron will laugh at this notion, but Megatron admits to feeling old, and believes that the Megatron he once was is dead. Before the conversation can go any deeper, the lights flick on, repaired by the other Autobots... illuminating the dead bodies of [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] in the cupboard's corner! Examining the bodies, Megatron finds their [[brain module]]s torn out and stuffed into their mouths, which gives him all the information he needs to identify the murderers...

Nightbeat opens Brainstorm's briefcase, only to find it empty, leading him and Nautica to theorize everything from invisible gas to a cloaking device to outright theft to explain the lack of contents... to the point that they fail to notice local space/time warping around them, causing their conversation to occur out of sequence. The elevator opens to a gruesome sight: [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]'s dead body, impaled on a bulkhead! But Nightbeat's attention is drawn by a greater mystery: a flight of stairs leading to a lower level, when they are already supposed to be on the lowest deck of the ship.

Skids and [[Getaway]] continue their exploration of the ship, talking about Megatron and their changing attitude toward him as they go. They catch up to Riptide just as he has made an horrific discovery—a room full of corpses, every one in [[alternate mode]], with two puncture holes in each of them. Reminded of the practise of [[cerebral dowsing]]—the ability to deduce the location of a Transformer's brain module while they are in alt mode—Skids realizes that all the dead have been shot in the "head", and that the secondary holes were bored in order to remove their [[transformation cog]]s. Just as Skids is getting to grips with this discovery, Nightbeat contacts him over the comm, and reveals that they have found [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]'s dead body in the [[slow cell]] beneath the ship. Megatron then joins the call, and everyone pools their knowledge and realizes they have come to the same conclusion: the ''Lost Light'' has been attacked by the [[Decepticon Justice Division]].

Everyone regroups in Swerve's and prepares to depart with all due haste, though first, they have to bring the befuddled Nautica up to speed: the brain modules in the corpse mouths were the work of [[Helex (DJD)|Helex]], while the fusion cannon that slew Magnus belonged to [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]], who also removed the transformation cogs of the dead to feed his transformation addiction. Megatron believes the DJD are acting in response to his denouncement of the Decepticon cause, but Nightbeat points out that evidence suggests that the ship is ''not'' simply from the future: Overlord and the cell containing were jettisoned from the ship some time in the past, and should not ''be'' there any more, suggesting that past events somehow played out differently on this version of the ship. A surge of energy and tremor caused by the ship's reaction to the quantum foam rocks the team, but Nautica refuses to leave as they haven't finished searching for survivors. Megatron is certain that the DJD will have left none... until Ravage picks up a new scent, and, huddled within the Magnus Armor... Megatron finds the still-living form of Rewind.

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks. Those who appear in the present as corpses are marked with asterisks.) 
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*[[Nautica]] (1)
*[[Getaway]] (2)
*[[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] (3)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (4)
*[[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] (5)
*[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] (6)
*[[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]] (poster, 7)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]]* (9)
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*''[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]'' (10)
*''[[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]]'' (11)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]]* (12)
*[[Drift (G1)|Drift]]* (13)
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]]* (14)
*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]* (15)
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]]* (16)
*[[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]]* (17)
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*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]* (18)
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]]* (19)
*[[Rad]]* (20)
*[[Powerflash]]* (21)
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]]* (22)
*[[Waverider]]* (23)
*[[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]]* (24)
*[[Strafe (G1)|Strafe]]* (25)
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*[[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]]* (26)
*[[Rollout (G1)|Rollout]]* (27)
*[[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]]* (28)
*''[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]'' (36)
*''[[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]'' (37)
*''[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]]'' (38)
*''[[Mainframe (G1)|Mainframe]]'' (39)
*[[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] (40)
{{!}}}
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*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (8)
*[[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]* (29)
*''[[Tesarus (DJD)|Tesarus]]'' (30)
*''[[Helex (DJD)|Helex]]'' (31)
*''[[Vos (DJD)|Vos]]'' (32)
*''[[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]]'' (33)
*''[[Kaon (DJD)|Kaon]]'' (35)
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*''[[The Pet]]'' (34)
}}

==Quotes==
'''Nautica:''' "Okay, so it's '''been ripped apart''', but—that's our ship!" 
'''Getaway:''' "Er—the ship we just saw disappear..." 
'''Riptide:''' "Two words: '''paradox.'''" 
'''Skids:''' "Riptide's right, even if his spelling isn't."

"Nuh-uh! It's '''not''' Ultra Magnus, which makes this a '''fail'''... I'm just waiting for confirmation from the judges and... oh! Not only is it a fail, but it's been placed in the '''epic''' category."
:—'''Riptide''' on Ravage's tracking ability

"Do you have a ''Conjunx Endura''? Or any ''Amica Endurae''? Do they practise any form of elective kinship on Caminus? Why are you smiling?" 
"Because '''you'''! Your '''questions'''! Anyone else would '''sidle up''' to a subject like that..." 
"Gah, who's got time to tiptoe?" 
"Well, the answers are no, yes, and yes. What about you? Ever had a sparkmate?" 
"Nah. But then, I '''am''' pretty insufferable." 
... 
"Silent howls of protest."
:—'''Nightbeat''' and '''Nautica'''

"I love my wrench." 
"'''Is''' it technically a wrench?" 
"It's a wrench-slash-scanner-slash-'''everything'''. Brainstorm added a billion extras. See? There's even a light that goes on when I'm exaggerating." 
:—'''Nautica''' and '''Nightbeat'''

"I once told Optimus I killed for the sake of killing. I wanted to make him '''hurt me''', you see—because when he hurts others, he hurts '''himself'''. And the thing is, when the words were in my head I didn't think I meant them; but when they left my mouth, I realized that I '''did'''. If the world thinks you're a monster, what does it matter? The world is '''wrong'''. But when you start to think of '''yourself''' as a monster... I came to hate the person I'd become. And I decided that the best way to leave that person behind—perhaps the easiest way—was to become an Autobot."
:—'''Megatron''' on his change of allegiance

"Look at me, Ravage. I'm '''old'''. Old and weak. Their poison makes me '''brittle''', but even at full strength, I'm long past my prime. My spark '''flickers''' where once it '''flared'''. And this body... oh, this nonsense body. It doesn't graft to the spark like the others. There's no purchase. No '''bite'''." 
"I don't like to hear you talk like this." 
"Why?" 
"Because it's not '''you'''! The Megatron who tore down the Senate—who emancipated millions; the Megatron we followed; the Megatron we '''loved'''... what happened to '''him'''?" 
"I don't know. I think he's dead." 
"Dead? Or just resting?" 
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Ravage'''

"Well done for '''Megatron'''. That was bomp-worthy." 
"It's weird, though. I almost wanted to apologize for locking him in... I worry I'm going to stop hating him." 
"A Decepticon kills an Autobot, you hate him. But a million Autobots? A '''billion'''? It's meaningless. That's the problem: the greater the crime, the harder it is to process a response."
:—'''Getaway''' and '''Skids'''

"It's a game, Nautica—an old wartime favorite. When someone shouts '''D.J.D.''' you have to find your friends and run like hell."
:—'''Getaway'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Though nobody points it out, the web of red quantum foam looks an aaaaawful lot like blood. This is not first "bleeding spaceship" we've seen in ''More than Meets the Eye''—there was the ''[[Worldsweeper]]'' back in [[Rules of Disengagement|issue #7]], though that was ''actually'' blood.
*We learned about Crosscut's play "Information Creep" last issue.
*A one-panel flashback shows Megatron being made to melt his fusion cannon in a vat of acid under the watchful eyes of Jetfire and Optimus Prime; there's a similarity here to an imaginary sequence seen in issue #7 (again) in which, after the hypothetical end of conflict, Megatron prepares to dispose of his weapon in a similar bubbling vat.
*We learn about another form of Transformer pair-bonding in addition to the [[Conjunx Endura]] this issue, the "[[Amica Endura]]". Though Nightbeat doesn't expand on the concept, it seems logical to assume that this is a Transformery version of a "best friend"- this was later confirmed by James Roberts<ref>https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/504551830937165824 James Roberts on Amica Endura</ref>.
*Ravage mentions [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]]'s stewardship of the Decepticons, which is playing out over in sister title ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]''.
*Ravage is also revealed to be responsible for freeing the Decepticons from the ''Lost Light'' brig in [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|issue #28]].
*When Megatron recalls his talk with Optimus Prime, he is remembering the events of "[[Chaos Theory Part 1]]" and the notable speech he gave in that issue.
*As starts to become apparent as the issue builds towards its climax, there's clearly some timey-wimeyness at play here, and this is not simply a future version of the ''Lost Light''—the slow cell, Overlord and Rewind were all, ah, ''dispatched'' one way or another in [[Under Cold Blue Stars|issue #15]] and should no longer be on the ship. Note the... ''tactful'' positioning of Tailgate's dead body so as not to give this away ahead of time: he has been impaled through the chest, so we can't see if he's got his Autobot insignia or not (which he didn't receive until shortly before issue #28); and only "Disposal" can be glimpsed on his right arm—we can't tell if it says "Bomb" or "Waste", the switch between the two having taken place in [[Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|issue #21]]—thereby eliminating the markings that we would be able to use to identify a future version of Tailgate as he is now. He does, however, seem to be surrounded by green energon. This perhaps suggests he has Cybercroisis, and as such this is not a future Lost Light as he would be crippled if he was not cured.
*We can probably safely presume that it was to this "alternate" ''Lost Light'' that the DJD went following their detection of Overlord's signal at the conclusion of [[Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|issue #8]], explaining why they never appeared to vex our heroes in the course of regular events.
*And speaking of issue #8, it's logical to wonder if the deaths on the [[Necrobot]]'s list back in that story might not be recordings of the passings of these "alternate" 'bots.

===Transformers references===
*Skids exclaims "By the [[Celestial Spires]]", an exclamation commonly seen in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|Marvel UK]] comics.

===Real-world references===
*{{w|Quantum foam}} is a real concept in quantum mechanics.
*Nautica's upgraded wrench is a pretty clear take-off on the {{w|sonic screwdriver}} of ''[[Doctor|Doctor Who]]'' fame, in particular the highly multifunctional version of the device seen in the 2005 series.

===Crew manifest===
*ARE ALL DEAD

===Soundtrack===
*''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsDdNvoqiI Dark]'' by {{w|Low (band)|Low}}
*''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML3G1MykdnM Dirge]'' by {{w|Death in Vegas}}
*''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EODw7eH5u7Q Waiting Rooms]'' by {{w|Simon Warner}}

===Other trivia===
*Page 20 shows "what happens next" after the events shown on the issue's regular cover. Cute! Well, horrifying.
*Many of the dead characters appear in vehicle mode for the first time in the series, making it hard to identify them! In particular, once-and-former [[Action Master]]s Rad, Rollout and Powerflash get alternate modes for the first time in Transformers fiction; fellow Action Master Jackpot—sitting to the right of Blades above the door—has been covered by a speech balloon.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Regular cover:''' Ultra Magnus, Whirl, Ratchet, Perceptor and Mainframe in battle, by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
*'''Subscription cover:''' Nightbeat and Nautica atop Brainstorm's briefcase, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]], in homage to a classic ''[[The X-Files: Conspiracy: The Transformers|X-Files]]'' promotional image.
*'''30th Anniversary cover:''' The fused Megatron/Ratchet monstrosity from [[The Pri¢e of Life!|issue #70]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics series]], by [[Casey Coller]] and [[John-Paul Bove]], continuing this month's 30th Anniversary cover theme of Marvel moments. Slightly less horrifying than the contents of the issue.
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==External links==
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'''Horrors await the small group of Autobots as they explore the wreckage of the ''Lost Light'', but all is not as it appears...'''

==Synopsis==

Overcoming their shock at the sight of the ruined ''[[Lost Light]]'', torn into three chunks and bleeding quantum foam, the remaining crew of the [[Rodpod]] conclude that, somehow, this is the time-displaced future version of the ship from which the coffin containing [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]]'s dead body originated. Setting down inside the wreckage to investigate, they soon realise that their impromptu landing pad appears to be [[Swerve's]], only it seems to have been refashioned as a playhouse, rather than a bar; a poster for a showing of "Information Creep", the play [[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]] is currently working on, seems to confirm that the ship is from the future. [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] brings out [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] to help in sniffing out the crew, though no-one is particularly pleased to see the cat-bot allowed to roam free. [[Nautica]] tries to be friendly, but makes the cardinal mistake of treating Ravage like a pet, and, suitably chastized by a swipe of his claws, decides to head off with [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] to fix the [[quantum generator]]s and stop the foam leakage. Presently, Ravage locates [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]]—or rather, [[Minimus Ambus]], slaughtered and stripped of the [[Magnus Armor]] post-mortem, which lies nearby. [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] identifies the fatal blast-wound in Ambus's side as having been caused by a [[fusion cannon]], and immediately turns on Megatron; the former Decepticon retorts that his fusion cannon was destroyed following his change of allegiance, and that furthermore, he had no knowledge of Minimus Ambus within the armor. But as Skids points out, as the ship is from their future, he now ''does'' possess that knowledge and could potentially act on it in that future. Shaken, Megatron realizes that it is actually not impossible for him to be responsible for the death and devastation, and suggests that he and Ravage be locked up until more answers are forthcoming.

In another section of the ship, Nightbeat and Nautica make their way to the engine rooms, talking about the strangeness of recent events. Recalling the appearance of the deceased [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]]'s "data ghost" leads Nightbeat to ask Nautica about her own romantic past, and from there to the topic of pair-bonding in general on [[Caminus]] in general; the engineer is amused by his bluntness, and asks the same questions of him. As they enter an elevator, extra gizmos added to Nautica's wrench by [[Brainstorm]] deliver a report on the local surroundings, identifying local space as "worn down", with many signs of extensive recent [[transwarp|teleportation activity]]. At that point, Nautica's foot bumps into something on the floor... ''Brainstorm's [[briefcase]].''

Locked in a cupboard together, an angry Ravage attacks Megatron, accusing him of betrayal and hoping that [[shadowplay]] is responsible for his change of heart, which Megatron denies. Ravage tells him that [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] is now in charge of the Decepticons, but that he will be abandoned immediately if Megatron but gives the word; Megatron despairs over the toxicity of Decepticon loyalty, and correctly deduces that Ravage was sent to spy on him by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], and that he was responsible for the attempted jailbreak during his trial. In response to Ravage's allegation that Megatron is unsure of his identity for the first time in his life, Megatron explains that his change of heart was motivated by the fact that, during his last talk with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] prior to the [[Chaos (IDW)|Chaos event]], he had spoken harsh words that he had intended only to wound Prime... only to realize that he ''believed'' them, and that he hated the person he had become. Ravage claims that in years to come, Megatron will laugh at this notion, but Megatron admits to feeling old, and believes that the Megatron he once was is dead. Before the conversation can go any deeper, the lights flick on, repaired by the other Autobots... illuminating the dead bodies of [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] in the cupboard's corner! Examining the bodies, Megatron finds their [[brain module]]s torn out and stuffed into their mouths, which gives him all the information he needs to identify the murderers...

Nightbeat opens Brainstorm's briefcase, only to find it empty, leading him and Nautica to theorize everything from invisible gas to a cloaking device to outright theft to explain the lack of contents... to the point that they fail to notice local space/time warping around them, causing their conversation to occur out of sequence. The elevator opens to a gruesome sight: [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]'s dead body, impaled on a bulkhead! But Nightbeat's attention is drawn by a greater mystery: a flight of stairs leading to a lower level, when they are already supposed to be on the lowest deck of the ship.

Skids and [[Getaway]] continue their exploration of the ship, talking about Megatron and their changing attitude toward him as they go. They catch up to Riptide just as he has made an horrific discovery—a room full of corpses, every one in [[alternate mode]], with two puncture holes in each of them. Reminded of the practise of [[cerebral dowsing]]—the ability to deduce the location of a Transformer's brain module while they are in alt mode—Skids realizes that all the dead have been shot in the "head", and that the secondary holes were bored in order to remove their [[transformation cog]]s. Just as Skids is getting to grips with this discovery, Nightbeat contacts him over the comm, and reveals that they have found [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]'s dead body in the [[slow cell]] beneath the ship. Megatron then joins the call, and everyone pools their knowledge and realizes they have come to the same conclusion: the ''Lost Light'' has been attacked by the [[Decepticon Justice Division]].

Everyone regroups in Swerve's and prepares to depart with all due haste, though first, they have to bring the befuddled Nautica up to speed: the brain modules in the corpse mouths were the work of [[Helex (DJD)|Helex]], while the fusion cannon that slew Magnus belonged to [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]], who also removed the transformation cogs of the dead to feed his transformation addiction. Megatron believes the DJD are acting in response to his denouncement of the Decepticon cause, but Nightbeat points out that evidence suggests that the ship is ''not'' simply from the future: Overlord and the cell containing were jettisoned from the ship some time in the past, and should not ''be'' there any more, suggesting that past events somehow played out differently on this version of the ship. A surge of energy and tremor caused by the ship's reaction to the quantum foam rocks the team, but Nautica refuses to leave as they haven't finished searching for survivors. Megatron is certain that the DJD will have left none... until Ravage picks up a new scent, and, huddled within the Magnus Armor... Megatron finds the still-living form of Rewind.

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks. Those who appear in the present as corpses are marked with asterisks.) 
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*[[Nautica]] (1)
*[[Getaway]] (2)
*[[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] (3)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (4)
*[[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] (5)
*[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] (6)
*[[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]] (poster, 7)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]]* (9)
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*''[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]'' (10)
*''[[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]]'' (11)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]]* (12)
*[[Drift (G1)|Drift]]* (13)
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]]* (14)
*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]* (15)
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]]* (16)
*[[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]]* (17)
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*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]* (18)
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]]* (19)
*[[Rad]]* (20)
*[[Powerflash]]* (21)
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]]* (22)
*[[Waverider]]* (23)
*[[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]]* (24)
*[[Strafe (G1)|Strafe]]* (25)
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*[[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]]* (26)
*[[Rollout (G1)|Rollout]]* (27)
*[[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]]* (28)
*''[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]'' (36)
*''[[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]'' (37)
*''[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]]'' (38)
*''[[Mainframe (G1)|Mainframe]]'' (39)
*[[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] (40)
{{!}}}
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*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (8)
*[[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]* (29)
*''[[Tesarus (DJD)|Tesarus]]'' (30)
*''[[Helex (DJD)|Helex]]'' (31)
*''[[Vos (DJD)|Vos]]'' (32)
*''[[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]]'' (33)
*''[[Kaon (DJD)|Kaon]]'' (35)
|c4=
*''[[The Pet]]'' (34)
}}

==Quotes==
'''Nautica:''' "Okay, so it's '''been ripped apart''', but—that's our ship!" 
'''Getaway:''' "Er—the ship we just saw disappear..." 
'''Riptide:''' "Two words: '''paradox.'''" 
'''Skids:''' "Riptide's right, even if his spelling isn't."

"Nuh-uh! It's '''not''' Ultra Magnus, which makes this a '''fail'''... I'm just waiting for confirmation from the judges and... oh! Not only is it a fail, but it's been placed in the '''epic''' category."
:—'''Riptide''' on Ravage's tracking ability

"Do you have a ''Conjunx Endura''? Or any ''Amica Endurae''? Do they practise any form of elective kinship on Caminus? Why are you smiling?" 
"Because '''you'''! Your '''questions'''! Anyone else would '''sidle up''' to a subject like that..." 
"Gah, who's got time to tiptoe?" 
"Well, the answers are no, yes, and yes. What about you? Ever had a sparkmate?" 
"Nah. But then, I '''am''' pretty insufferable." 
... 
"Silent howls of protest."
:—'''Nightbeat''' and '''Nautica'''

"I love my wrench." 
"'''Is''' it technically a wrench?" 
"It's a wrench-slash-scanner-slash-'''everything'''. Brainstorm added a billion extras. See? There's even a light that goes on when I'm exaggerating." 
:—'''Nautica''' and '''Nightbeat'''

"I once told Optimus I killed for the sake of killing. I wanted to make him '''hurt me''', you see—because when he hurts others, he hurts '''himself'''. And the thing is, when the words were in my head I didn't think I meant them; but when they left my mouth, I realized that I '''did'''. If the world thinks you're a monster, what does it matter? The world is '''wrong'''. But when you start to think of '''yourself''' as a monster... I came to hate the person I'd become. And I decided that the best way to leave that person behind—perhaps the easiest way—was to become an Autobot."
:—'''Megatron''' on his change of allegiance

"Look at me, Ravage. I'm '''old'''. Old and weak. Their poison makes me '''brittle''', but even at full strength, I'm long past my prime. My spark '''flickers''' where once it '''flared'''. And this body... oh, this nonsense body. It doesn't graft to the spark like the others. There's no purchase. No '''bite'''." 
"I don't like to hear you talk like this." 
"Why?" 
"Because it's not '''you'''! The Megatron who tore down the Senate—who emancipated millions; the Megatron we followed; the Megatron we '''loved'''... what happened to '''him'''?" 
"I don't know. I think he's dead." 
"Dead? Or just resting?" 
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Ravage'''

"Well done for '''Megatron'''. That was bomp-worthy." 
"It's weird, though. I almost wanted to apologize for locking him in... I worry I'm going to stop hating him." 
"A Decepticon kills an Autobot, you hate him. But a million Autobots? A '''billion'''? It's meaningless. That's the problem: the greater the crime, the harder it is to process a response."
:—'''Getaway''' and '''Skids'''

"It's a game, Nautica—an old wartime favorite. When someone shouts '''D.J.D.''' you have to find your friends and run like hell."
:—'''Getaway'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Though nobody points it out, the web of red quantum foam looks an aaaaawful lot like blood. This is not first "bleeding spaceship" we've seen in ''More than Meets the Eye''—there was the ''[[Worldsweeper]]'' back in [[Rules of Disengagement|issue #7]], though that was ''actually'' blood.
*We learned about Crosscut's play "Information Creep" last issue.
*A one-panel flashback shows Megatron being made to melt his fusion cannon in a vat of acid under the watchful eyes of Jetfire and Optimus Prime; there's a similarity here to an imaginary sequence seen in issue #7 (again) in which, after the hypothetical end of conflict, Megatron prepares to dispose of his weapon in a similar bubbling vat.
*We learn about another form of Transformer pair-bonding in addition to the [[Conjunx Endura]] this issue, the "[[Amica Endura]]". Though Nightbeat doesn't expand on the concept, it seems logical to assume that this is a Transformery version of a "best friend"- this was later confirmed by James Roberts<ref>https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/504551830937165824 James Roberts on Amica Endura</ref>.
*Ravage mentions [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]]'s stewardship of the Decepticons, which is playing out over in sister title ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]''.
*Ravage is also revealed to be responsible for freeing the Decepticons from the ''Lost Light'' brig in [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|issue #28]].
*When Megatron recalls his talk with Optimus Prime, he is remembering the events of "[[Chaos Theory Part 1]]" and the notable speech he gave in that issue.
*As starts to become apparent as the issue builds towards its climax, there's clearly some timey-wimeyness at play here, and this is not simply a future version of the ''Lost Light''—the slow cell, Overlord and Rewind were all, ah, ''dispatched'' one way or another in [[Under Cold Blue Stars|issue #15]] and should no longer be on the ship. Note the... ''tactful'' positioning of Tailgate's dead body so as not to give this away ahead of time: he has been impaled through the chest, so we can't see if he's got his Autobot insignia or not (which he didn't receive until shortly before issue #28); and only "Disposal" can be glimpsed on his right arm—we can't tell if it says "Bomb" or "Waste", the switch between the two having taken place in [[Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|issue #21]]—thereby eliminating the markings that we would be able to use to identify a future version of Tailgate as he is now. He does, however, seem to be surrounded by green energon. This perhaps suggests he has Cybercroisis, and as such this is not a future Lost Light as he would be crippled if he was not cured.
*We can probably safely presume that it was to this "alternate" ''Lost Light'' that the DJD went following their detection of Overlord's signal at the conclusion of [[Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|issue #8]], explaining why they never appeared to vex our heroes in the course of regular events.
*And speaking of issue #8, it's logical to wonder if the deaths on the [[Necrobot]]'s list back in that story might not be recordings of the passings of these "alternate" 'bots.

===Transformers references===
*Skids exclaims "By the [[Celestial Spires]]", an exclamation commonly seen in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|Marvel UK]] comics.

===Real-world references===
*{{w|Quantum foam}} is a real concept in quantum mechanics.
*Nautica's upgraded wrench is a pretty clear take-off on the {{w|sonic screwdriver}} of ''[[Doctor|Doctor Who]]'' fame, in particular the highly multifunctional version of the device seen in the 2005 series.

===Crew manifest===
*ARE ALL DEAD

===Soundtrack===
*''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zsDdNvoqiI Dark]'' by {{w|Low (band)|Low}}
*''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML3G1MykdnM Dirge]'' by {{w|Death in Vegas}}
*''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EODw7eH5u7Q Waiting Rooms]'' by {{w|Simon Warner}}

===Other trivia===
*Page 20 shows "what happens next" after the events shown on the issue's regular cover. Cute! Well, horrifying.
*Many of the dead characters appear in vehicle mode for the first time in the series, making it hard to identify them! In particular, once-and-former [[Action Master]]s Rad, Rollout and Powerflash get alternate modes for the first time in Transformers fiction; fellow Action Master Jackpot—sitting to the right of Blades above the door—has been covered by a speech balloon.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Regular cover:''' Ultra Magnus, Whirl, Ratchet, Perceptor and Mainframe in battle, by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
*'''Subscription cover:''' Nightbeat and Nautica atop Brainstorm's briefcase, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]], in homage to a classic ''[[The X-Files: Conspiracy: The Transformers|X-Files]]'' promotional image.
*'''30th Anniversary cover:''' The fused Megatron/Ratchet monstrosity from [[The Pri¢e of Life!|issue #70]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics series]], by [[Casey Coller]] and [[John-Paul Bove]], continuing this month's 30th Anniversary cover theme of Marvel moments.
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*IDW ''Transformers'' trade paperback library
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==External links==
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==References==
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A 'Bot and Her City

2014-05-03T09:30:20Z

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{{Comicstory|seriesissue=''[[The Transformers: Windblade]]'' #1
|prev=...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale
|next=Windblade issue 2
|image=Windblade1_cvrA.jpg
|title="A 'Bot and Her City"
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[April 16]], [[2014]]
|coverdate=April 2014
|written by=[[Mairghread Scott]]
|art by=[[Sarah Stone]]
|letters by=[[Chris Mowry]]
|assistant editor=[[Rebecca Huard]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[IDW timeline|Current era (2014)]]
}}

'''While continuing her efforts to help Metroplex heal, Windblade's growing distrust of Starscream leads her into some explosive trouble.'''

==Synopsis==

Six months after the defeat of [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] and the foiling of his attempt to fulfill the [[Dark Cybertron]] prophecy, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] has become the only city left standing on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], in which the inhabitants of the ruined [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] now live, still governed by [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]]. But Metroplex remains damaged, making life difficult for those who now dwell within him, and so Starscream employs [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] for her talents as a [[Cityspeaker]] to communicate with the [[Metrotitan (body-type)|Titan]] and work towards effecting repairs.

On the morning of her 186th day on Cybertron, Windblade watches the sunrise with a wistful longing for her homeworld, [[Caminus]], before heading off to meet with Starscream over the latest problem, a series of rolling blackouts within Metroplex. [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] surprises her with an impromptu weapons training session, which she loses quite quickly, and the pair then receive Starscream and [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] for the meeting. Chromia and Rattrap are "invited" to stand outside—where Rattrap gets no response from Chromia when he tries to make some small talk about their [[Female Transformer|unusual gender]]—and once they have gone, Starscream quietly threatens Windblade, suspecting that she may be deliberately undermining his leadership by working with Metroplex to ''cause'' the various problems in the city. As Starscream and Rattrap then depart, Chromia makes her dislike of her new leader known, but Windblade admits that his frustration is not exactly misplaced: they ''have'' thus far failed to remedy the blackouts.

Consulting with Metroplex, using her talents to read the patterns of light across his [[brain module]], Windblade traces the problem to a diversion of power at junction T134. The only problem is, neither she nor Chromia have any idea where that junction might be, so they realize they will have to seek out the one 'bot who might: [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], whose faith has been shaken by the fact that Shockwave's scheme has created undeniable contradictions in the [[Pax Cybertronia (issue)|vision of the future he saw]], and who now wanders the depths of Metroplex hoping to find answers. Chromia complains, finding the old 'bot "mopey", but gets visibly alarmed when Windblade teasingly suggests she'll pass on the sentiment when she finds him. Jetting off into the bowels of Metroplex, Windblade soon tracks Ironhide down, and he points her in the direction of the junction she needs, beneath the [[Acrolight District]]. Curious about Starscream, Windblade asks Ironhide for his opinion on the Seeker-turned-politician, and he suggests she would be better served asking his former Decepticon comrades, rather than his old enemies.

Windblade and Chromia meet back up to explore underneath the Acrolight District, but several hours of searching only get them as far as junction T127. Chromia insists they call it a night and resume the search in the morning, but rather than go home, Windblade decides to pay a visit to [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], where she is warmly welcomed by owner [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]]. After a couple of drinks, she asks the various patrons for their views on Starscream, and the universal opinion quickly becomes clear: everyone hates him because he's only out for himself.

This learning experience unnerves Windblade, and Chromia can tell right away that something is bothering her when they meet the next morning to continue their search. Before they can talk over the matter, however, a huge explosion erupts out of the access shaft they are about to enter, gravely damaging Windblade, though she still fights to grab something out of the rubble before collapsing. Taken in for repairs, Windblade dreams of her homeworld, Caminus... though Caminus is more than just a planet. It—or rather, ''he'', her dreams reveal—is one of the Metrotitans, who left Cybertron in the planet's murky prehistory, settling on a planet that his city-form spread out across, where he gave birth to a new generation of Transformers from the [[hot spot (location)|hot spot]] within him. The vagaries of fate caused Caminus and his people to lose contact with Cybertron, but Windblade—one of Caminus's Cityspeakers, raised on tales of their ancient homeworld—was thrilled when [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]] arrived on their world and recruited them to help heal the damaged Metroplex. But her hopes of a joyful reunion with a peaceful Cybertron that would help the Camiens and grow with them together have been dashed... because the explosion, Windblade realizes, was Starscream's doing, a deliberate attempt on her life, perpetrated by Rattrap. And as the city leader enters the med-bay, she realizes he is certain to try again...

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks. 
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*[[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] (1)
*[[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] (2)
*[[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s brain (3)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (6)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slug]] (11)
*''[[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]]'' (17)
*''[[Nautica]]'' (18)

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*[[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]] (4)
*[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] (5)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (7)
*[[Octane (G1)|"Tall Tankor"]] (8)
*[[Tankor (BM)|"Fat Tankor"]] (9)
*[[Fizzle]] (10)
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*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (12)
*[[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] (13)
*[[Sky-Byte (G2)|Sky-Byte]] (14)
*[[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] (15)
*''[[Caminus]]'' (16)
{{!}}}
}}

==Quotes==

"Millions of years of planet-wide civil war, and '''no one''' killed that guy?"
:—'''Chromia''' on Starscream

"'''This is a Dinobot-Demolishor?!''' It's an '''insult!''' I've had four and I can still see!"
:—'''Slug''' on liquor, in more ways than one

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Ironhide's vision of the future, as seen in [[Pax Cybertronia (issue)|issue #31]] of the [[The Transformers (IDW)|2009-2011 ongoing]], showed future generations of Autobots living on the planet [[Gorlam Prime]]. The events of "[[Dark Cybertron]]" saw Gorlam Prime destroyed, causing the contradiction that has sent Ironhide astray.
*We got a crack about the shared name of Generation 1 Tankor (aka Octane) and ''Beast Machines'' Tankor back in [[No Exit: Dark Cybertron Chapter 6|Chapter 6]] of "Dark Cybertron"; this issue shows us they've buddied up, and are being called "Tall Tankor" and "Fat Tankor" ("not to his face") by others to distinguish them.
*Caminus and other Metrotitans are revealed to have contained [[hot spot (location)|hot spot]]s, the wellsprings of Transformer life that were introduced in [[Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|''More than Meets the Eye'' #17]].
*After all the fuss over the introduction of new female Transformers into the previously-genderless-except-for-the-forcibly-reassigned-[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] IDW continuity, Windblade, Chromia and Nautica's gender is addressed with the simplicity of a single seven-word caption: they evolved that way over time.

===Transformers references===
* Chromia being loudly concerned about Windblade telling Ironhide what she thinks of him seems to allude to the fact that the pair were romantically linked in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]].
* Fizzle's appearance in Maccadam's owes something to his original [[bio]], which mentioned a predilection for "cheap fuel"; [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' profile for him widened that into his being a bit of a bitter drunk, and he's certainly indulging here in the self-aggrandizement both bios describe.
* The injured Windblade bleeds blue [[energon]], like that seen in the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' cartoon, as opposed to the more traditional purple-pink Energon that we've seen throughout IDW's history. Evidently, this is another distinction between Cybertronians and their Camiean descendants.

===Real-life references===
*Blurr mistakenly calls Windblade "[[Wingblade]]" before being corrected; this being a previously-used Transformer name, tons of fans across the internet regularly made the same mistake for a few months after the character was debuted.
* Back In Dark Cybertron issue 8, Nautica tells Magnus they joined the Vis Vitalis and then ran into Alpha Trion days later, whilst here they say they were recruited by Thunderclash to fix Metroplex. Unless Thunderclash had a premonition then this clashes.

===Errors===
*Several characters, including Blurr and "Tall Tankor" (Octane), who had given up their factions are shown wearing Autobot or Decepticon sigils.

===Trivia===
*While we don't get to see a robot-mode Caminus in this story, Windblade's narration explains that her [[Wikipedia:Kumadori|Kumadori]] "face paint" is based on Caminus's own visage, and is something worn by all Cityspeakers to show their devotion to him.
*This issue's story is followed by a letter from Mairghread Scott welcoming readers to the book.
*Similar to the pre-launch promotion for ''More than Meets the Eye'' and ''Robots in Disguise'' two years prior, this series was trailed by a "scavenger hunt" for a series of six promo posters that were released to various sites around the internet: Windblade on [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152313298493279&set=a.10150239372238279.337626.8473603278&type=1&theater IDW's Facebook page], Blurr on [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/idw-transformers-windblade-1-teaser-blurr/29911/ Seibertron.com], Chromia on [http://tformers.com/transformers-windblade-exclusive-teaser-image-chormia-homeless/23052/news.html TFormers.com], Ironhide on [https://twitter.com/theunderbase/status/455789575743361024 The Underbase podcast's Twitter], Rattrap on [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/comics-16/transformers-windblade-idw-promo-images-rattrap-ruthless-179696/ TFW2005.com] and—belatedly released five days after the issue's publication—Starscream on [https://twitter.com/trnsmissions/status/458328380539015169/photo/1/ The TransMissions podcast's Twitter].

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File:WindbladePromo chromia.jpg|"Homeless"
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File:WindbladePromo ironhide.jpg|"Faithless"
File:WindbladePromo rattrap.jpg|"Ruthless"
File:WindbladePromo starscream.jpg|"Powerless"
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===Covers (3)===
*'''Standard cover:''' Windblade by [[Casey Coller]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
*'''Subscription cover:''' Windblade reflected in her sword by [[Sarah Stone]]
*'''Incentive cover:''' Windblade by [[Livio Ramondelli]], part of a three-piece image alongside [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|''More than Meets the Eye'' #28]] and [[Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|''Robots in Disguise'' #28]].

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User talk:ItsWalky

2014-03-24T19:46:27Z

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==Paxs ship==

Can I ask what splash page you're on about? The one of him exiting the ship doesn't even show his feet? Also, the shadow clearly shows he's below the ship.
: The very next page. He's standing on top of the ship. Same reason everyone's having to look straight up in the air instead of, you know, directly in front of them. He's just standing on top of the dang ship. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:01, 6 January 2014 (EST)

==Things to say to you==
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Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.
: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do I get the feeling that guy has been permanently banned?[[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, an Encyclopedia Dramatica troll. No need to be so harsh on Walky. I, too, like the Baybots, and, I happen to like Bionicle. Also, his Webcomic is one of my favorites. So, if you have nothing nice to say, never ever EVER come back here.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==BANNED==

What the hell did I do to warrant a ban, exactly? As far as I'm aware, I don't even think I broke any rules, and if I did, an official warning would be appropriate. I received no such warning. I was not here for trolling and you know that - you use that bullshit excuse to get people to ignore arguments you can't handle. But you, personally, who made this decision, know I'm not a troll.

This is fucking low. I had little enough respect for you down to your ranting against the fanbase, Willis, but this is a whole new level of buggery. If you're going to use your comic to rant against and discredit people you don't like, the least you can do is suck it up when people rant at you back, and not act like a control-freak child.

I really don't think you're aware of your own actions anymore.
*Do the words [[Wikipedia:WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] mean anything to you? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Do the words "warning before ban" mean anything to you? Rulemongering doesn't justify a decision anyway, since Walky is one of the people making the rules. There were plenty of personal attacks leveled at me, but I did not report them officially.

::I really find it hard to believe that you think it's completely on a rational level of discourse to claim that the comic strip I draw is about child pornography. If I'm not mistaken about your identity, you've been banned from almost every single Transformers web board you've had an acquaintance with, and I'm only doing this place a favor by getting rid of you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::: That's not an excuse. I will openly admit I HAVE been banned from several forums, but only because I repeatedly opposed the staff on each and every one of them; and with good cause, they all have roughly the same problem. People bully others either into liking the movie or to agree with the kind of views you promote - and since nobody can directly attack or discredit anyone, these people(and you are) are left to their methods.
::: For your current decision to be validated, the admins of those boards, boards which are influenced in turn by your anti-fan attitude, would have to be near 100% correct in their decisions, and those decisions would have to occur within a context that would map exactly onto here. Any rational moderator does not base their decisions so much off performance on other boards, especially when it's not even a messageboard they're operating. Two different media. I have openly said I despise all active Transformers boards for their level of authoritarianism, yet level of tolerance towards the pushing of certain viewpoints.

::: Not to mention that you're still operating under the fallacy of Appeal to Majority - that alone means I shouldn't really even have to counter you.

::: And don't even use the "CHILD PORNOGRAPHY" thing as an excuse. Again, any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban, I personally reversed that edit even though it was obviously intended to be a joke as anyone reading this knows what pile'o'bile already is. You have no justification for what you did, but your ego is too big to realise you can actually do wrong with your power. You'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if some part of you is pissed that I defeated some of your ramblings, whether they were directly written by you or encouraged by you, it's still the kind of guff you normally blew, and I managed to defeat it. You, and the mods of the big sites will always have your ban buttons - but you will NEVER be able to justify your actions to me. That's how I know that I'm in the right, at least in situations like this - solidly backed justification is almost always absent.
:::: Personal attacks + deleting comments in response to you = banno --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::: P.S. Sign your posts. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: I have never intentionally deleted comments in response to me. I just moved one recently as it was in the middle of a paragraph of text. Not to mention that happened after you banned my original IP. Personal attacks alone are not grounds enough for a ban, especially when you're doing an awful, awful lot to be mercilessly torn into.
Need I point out that once again, you are unable to defend yourself properly? When does the "You're insane?" come? Ganging up of all your little friends since a majority always means you're right?
Do you even realise what a fascist shithead you sound like? Just because you're an admin of a place doesn't give you a free pass to be a dick with it. There's a difference between what you can do and what you should do that you don't seem to have learned yet. [[User:67.159.44.88|67.159.44.88]]

: YOU BAN PEOPLE BECAUSE ****YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE

TRUTH****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111twelve FUCKING FASCIST PIGCOP NAZI WIKIPEDO '''ASSHOLE''' [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:: My gosh, now that I have seen someone mock the notion, it MUST be untrue. Please, where can I learn these 1337 debating skills?

:::Dude, I've been banned from twice as many forums as you, guaranfuckingteed, but they still let me post here because I'm not as goddamn retarded as you are. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: And can you demonstrate exactly how I'm more retarded than you? Or are you just, Walky style, dropping weighted terms to discredit someone's point of view without even trying?

:::::1. Hoop doesn't delete other people's comments on talk pages. 2. He actually signs his posts, which you've been asked to do many times, but haven't caught on. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I didn't delete anything. If I did, it was an accident because someone posted right in the middle of text it wasn't meant to be in the middle of. Not signing my posts doesn't make me retarded since it's blatant when I'm saying something. --[[User:67.159.44.88]]

Actually - come to think of it, you make fun of the idea that anyone running a site can be Nazi, yet you still mention you got banned from many forums. Does that perhaps mean that you genuinely got banned for being an asshole and not opposing the staff/local clique like I did?

:''any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban''
:Not true, some things are auto-ban. I don't think you ''did'' any of them, but I'm just saying.
:Dude- you got an expedited ban because you showed no signs of contrition, argued every point, used personal insults, refused to sign your posts even when '''repeatedly asked to''' (I had to go back into history and dig out which incoherent chunks of text where yours, because the posts weren't hierarchied properly so the debate was really hard to follow. This is why signin posts is important dumbfuck.)
:And ultimately you got banned because you were making a major nuisance of yourself in ''without'' any correlating '''contribution''' to justify keeping you around. You're a negative. You edited 3 articles- Fandom, Shortpacking and Ruined Forever- and ''all' of those edits got reverted because they either flames or crappy jokes that make the articles ''worse''. Even if I were to (generously) believe you didn't intend to start a fight, you picked the 3 flamebaitiest articles you could find and masturbated across them. ''Allah forfend'' you should write an ''episode summary'' or something.
:Unrelated- Walky can Talk:Fandom be semi-protected instead of full? Loserbot isn't registered. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]01:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

==On an unrelated note: Thank you.==
I know this is an odd place to say it, but I figured if I only said it once, it wouldn't be a bother so here goes: Thank You. Shortpacked is hilarious, and when not laughing, I'm agreeing with alot of the statements the main character makes. (and feeling like I was the only one who noticed some of them, like the one about General Discussions.) I also noticed your a Hot Shot fan, which is also awesome. I also noticed its due to the efforts of you and other people here that the move was made from Wikia to Tfwiki, which was a good idea so I also want to say a long overdue thank you for doing that as well, and finally: thanks for doing what you can for this site, because without this site, I'd be out of the loops on Club Exclusive things, and other Misc. Transformers related content. I go here frequently for information (or lolz) and I'm quite sure not only me but many others are grateful to you and all others who help contribute to this place.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
:Thanks, and we do our best! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:08, 4 January 2010 (EST)
I love it too. Ive been going through the archives and im up to the part where amber gets a bit of a makeover and ive loved every second of it --[[User:Mrgalvaprime|Mrgalvaprime]] 17:25, 14 January 2012 (EST)
only webcomic I read daily.--
[[User:Mojotron|Mojotron]]

==Tulsa, Oklahoma==
Sorry to bother you (I tried to avoid saying something again sense I already did the 'Thank you' earlier, but I HAD to ask about this). Had nothing better to do so I've been reading shortpacked's full archive beginning to end today. (Well I'm currently on July 6 2009 to be fair) and I noticed something that I just HAD to ask about. I've noticed once you mentioned Oklahoma. I ignored it the first time but then later you said "Tulsa". Now you got me curious, because I live in Tulsa and thus wondered what made you decide to choose to mention here of all places, sense basically nothing ever happens here. (Aside from the occasional Convention and the recent BOK center. Granted I may be moving to Florida in a few years..I really hope so. Been here my whole life and its boring) Just thought I'd ask, before curiosity drove me nuts. Keep up the good work on the comic, peace.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

EDIT: haha on second thought..maybe I should've said this at Walkypedia..or do you even go there? (I'd assume you do.) Oh well, my mistake I guess. Hope you'll still answer my question regardless. lol--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== WfC Starscream ==

You said: "We revert that back to Starscream every time you change it for a reason."
:Well that's just great since that is my first contribution to that page. And the picture itself says Skywarp so I was just making both consistent. I'll change the pic to Starscream as well.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 11:22, 14 January 2010 (EST)
:: Ah, sorry. Got you confused with Blackout, who was also changing it to Skywarp. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:28, 14 January 2010 (EST)
::: No prob. Just re-uploaded the image with starscream in the name rather than skywarp. The old one now has the delete tag. Thanks. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 11:33, 14 January 2010 (EST)

== Quick Report ==

More vandalism, on Nekomimi A/B, section animated..I think? caption didn't seem right..
I heard you're supposed to report to an Admin, right?
-[[User:SlamBolt|Danny LeFox]] 23:37, 20 January 2010 (EST)
: The caption is okay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:10, 21 January 2010 (EST)

== Independent Wikis ==
Hello Walky. This is Archaic, webmaster of Pokémon fansite Bulbagarden, and its associated wiki Bulbapedia. I sent you an email about 2 weeks ago (to the address linked on both your webcomics) regarding an idea I've recently been playing around with of a co-operative of independent wikis. I understand that you've been rather busy recently, so I just wanted to check if you had received that email or not, and if you might be interested in contributing your thoughts to the matter? --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 20:24, 25 January 2010 (EST)
: I did receive it! I'm sorry for not answering swiftly. Our answer depends on how much interaction you are looking for. Part of the appeal of leaving Wikia was breaking free of the mandatory link chain to "related wikis" that they put at the bottom of our frontpage. Our frontpage is now our own. That's not something I think we're interested in. We are, though, all in favor of people starting up their own wikis instead of depending on those lying Wikia assmongers. (to coin a phrase) But, I can't speak for the people here who help maintain this wiki and how much they would be willing to lend a hand. So, uh, the answer to your question at the moment is: "I don't know?" Um. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:47, 25 January 2010 (EST)
::Heh, no worries. We're all fairly busy at this time of year. For now, we're going full steam ahead with a limited version of this idea, focusing specifically on wikis linked to Nintendo franchises, which we're likely to launch within a couple of weeks. Perhaps it might be easiest if I'm able to show you what we're doing there? While we're doing quite a bit of integration between the partner wikis for this limited network, I'd imagine that any more general grouping of independent wikis would have to be a lot less so, if only for logistical reasons. As I mentioned in the email, it's all fairly up in the air right now. A lot of brainstorming, but not a lot of actual action at this point. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 15:15, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::If I may weigh in... basically, while I wager most (if not all) of us are individually supportive of any wikis that break free of Wikia, when it comes to linking on this wiki we generally only stick to links that add information to our articles, such as TFU.info, Marvel Universe TF profiles, Wookieepedia and GI Joe sites for Star Wars and GI Joe crossovers, etc. So unless there's some crossover connection between Pokemon and TF that we missed, I don't see that we can help, because we don't have anything that would need a link to your wiki. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:35, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::What, not even with that page you have on Pokéformers? ;) Seriously though, I think you might have misunderstood what I was suggesting. I'm not looking at a 2-way affiliation or link here. Instead, what I've been investigating is much closer to what Walky has in Blank Label Comics for his webcomics. An alliance of wikis united by a common purpose. Exactly how far one would take that is the real question. I certainly wouldn't expect a link to every wiki in such a network on the front page of any wiki in it. As you've rightly pointed out, you value the independence you've regained after breaking from Wikia, and any such network would have to be very careful to maintain that for all sites while still offering something meaningful. *shrugs* Like I said, all very much pie-in-the-sky kind of vague ideas right now, just exploring possibilities. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 20:47, 26 January 2010 (EST)

:::::I don't know if you've heard, but wikia has decided to make a change (mandatorily!) that is 100 times worse than what drove you guys to a new server. I am interested in finding info on how you guys actually performed your move, and what would need to be done before, during, and after to make it work. If you could give me even a link (so that I can show others), that would be hugely helpful.
:::::If you could message me on my wikia talk page (yes, I know), that would be most appreciated. Thanks![[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 10:18, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

==Yeaaaaaaaah==
:: ''Hey, were you the [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Tales_of_the_Fallen_issue_5&diff=414380&oldid=413827 guy who called a dude a schmuck for no real reason], and so then he [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/593224.html?thread=14980936#t14980936 quit this wiki] because he was treated like shit? You don't get a vote. Especially since you think Florida and Cuba are separated by a friggin' river. (Anyway, I vote against rhyming in the Headmasters section.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)''
Yes because he was considering the entry was as bare and snarky as possible (You're hardly the soul of discretion all the time yourself sir) . And remarkably, being from a good distance across the planet, I don't know where everything is situated on that side of the world so the assumption of he ran into a river instead of the atlantic ocean, while my own fault I'll admit, is fairly understandable. But if I'm not aloud to voice my opinion cause a guy you don't know told you something about another guy you don't know, then tell me now please, save me trying to vote on something again. (I'm being completely serious by the way, if that's the case, I want to know). All the best. [[User:Eire]] 01.33 Feb 09 2010 (UTC)
::: When your opinion is "the guy who created this page is a schmuck," then you're probably going to get some flak for said opinion. It's not like the page was horribly put together. It was just abbreviated and snarky. It wasn't called for. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:52, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Guess who's back..... ==

[[User:Masterman666]]
--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:45, 11 February 2010 (EST)
: Remind me who he is, again? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:54, 11 February 2010 (EST)
::[[User:Masterman555]]. Banned for flaming and using a sockpuppet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:01, 11 February 2010 (EST)
:::Then bye-bye, then! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:15, 11 February 2010 (EST)

== Breakaway image caption ==

Isn't Topspin the one with no personality? (Or was it a ref to Breakaway being Mister Likes-Everyone-Nice-Guy?) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:13, 11 February 2010 (EST)
: Topspin doesn't like being used, and ripped Kickback's spark out of him in angry fury. That's more than Breakaway ever emoted. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:16, 11 February 2010 (EST)
::Plus, his utter devotion to Alpha Trion was also more characterization than Breakaway got. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:19, 11 February 2010 (EST)
:::Fair enough... it's just that since Topspin was always the one with the "No personality" cracks in his page (and the one who's profile specifically says he's had his personality and will crushed out) it seemed potentially out of place, so I figured I'd ask.
:::(Personally I admit I wouldn't claim Breakaway (who did a fair bit of pep-talking everyone) has no personality any more than Heatwave, who's equally easy-going, friendly, and optimistic, can be said to not have one, but I was more checking for possible mistakes than taste...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:47, 11 February 2010 (EST)

== RE: Divebomb ==
Hup, my bad. Thanks for catching that! [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 11:06, 22 February 2010 (EST)

== Red Alert image ==
Thanks for color correcting it, looks much better. My desktop bit the dust last week, and my netbook chokes on photoshop. [[User:Kookaburra|Kookaburra]] 01:22, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

==Mainpage logos==
I'm shocked you haven't put up BC Breakdown yet. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:34, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
:I just put up *a* Breakdown. Really, I'd prefer to stick to art rather than toy images. Spark was an adrenaline rush exception. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:34, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

== I can't think of a suitable title to put here right now..... ==

[[Special:Log/block&page=User:Jeysie|This seems rather uncalled for.]]

Thank you for your attention. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:38, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
: Maybe you should have brought it up during the twenty-four hours in which she was banned, and not like a few minutes before it expired. And it was certainly called for, considering the disrespect she was showing other users. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:15, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::You called her a bitch. Was that not disrespectful as well? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:43, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::I think that was just me making an obvious point about her having talk page conversations ''entirely about other posters''. As usual, I make my points through sarcasm. Jeysie wasn't being sarcastic or trying to illustrate a greater point when she told me to stop "mouthing off." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:21, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::I'm not upset about being banned. What I am upset about is that the reason it's so irritating trying to have a conversation with you is that you are constantly responding to people trying to make reasonable points with mocking rude responses, often ones that illustrate that the point was missed. So, I don't like ''your'' disrespectful attitude any more than you like mine.
:::Considering you actually make good points on the few occasions you turn off the mocking attitude and take the time to understand the points being made, it'd make dealing with you a whole lot less frustrating if you'd keep the attitude turned off all the time. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:57, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Ahahaha Jeysie is telling me to stop having a mocking attitude! I will mark that on my Jeysie-is-condescending calendar OH WAIT THERE IS NO ROOM --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:21, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::Can we stop this? Both of you? You're both highly devoted editors to this wiki and we don't need a long lasting feud. Pretty Please? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 17:28, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::The kids don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.... --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:36, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::Seconded. This is time and energy better spent on working on articles, and I've seen enough from both of you to know that it would benefit the wiki greatly if you did that. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 17:40, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::::If Walky drops the attitude problem, there won't ''be'' a feud, because I'll have nothing to comment on to him, which will make me very happy.
:::::::The only reason I say anything at all is because I'm tired of his attitude always making trying to discuss something on the wiki a stressful chore instead of something productive. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:44, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::::This is silly. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:48, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Response to Walky: Maybe you're not aware, but I am on a different continent than you are. Different continent = different time zone = inability to respond at the same time as you Americans. And don't even TRY to shift the blame. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:07, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

==New bot==
Can I get a bot tag for [[User:DNAVI]] please? abates said you were the man for the job. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 02:25, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

== Regarding TG Studios and the guy you banned ==

[[Talk:TG Studios|You may want to check this out.]] --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:33, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

Can you make Timelines sharkticon on wirte and put on a image ?

== Squiggles! ==

If by "squiggles", you mean "Japanese", toss me a copy of that translation, eh, my fine fellow? For the annotations, don'tcha know! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:30, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
: In the filecard for Primal Major and Alpha Supreme, Maggie translated the two non-English characters at the end of it, which mean "Shanghai." That's all she's done (per my specific request), so I don't have anything else to tell you. :) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:35, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Ahh, that's still cool! I wouldn't have figured it out on my own! I have spotted at least one or two other bits of Japanese in there and was going to pester Spengler about them anyway. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:40, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== King Starscream's bounty ==

So, do I get it if I turn myself in? - [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 12:55, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== Look! ==

You suck! Along with most of the other administartors on this wiki. I can't believe you treat people the way you do. I've been watching for a while, and I will tell you, that you're just an asshole! Why don't you grow up, and quit being a dick to everyone! Banning people for ridiculous reasons! Telling people their work is shit! In fact, I created this account just to confront you! GROW UP AND QUIT BEING A DICK! YOU"RE AN ASSHOLE! {{unsigned|Generations123|17:32, 11 August 2010 (EDT)}}
:The irony is staggering. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:40, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
:: I think this guy deserves a Shortpacked! comic in his honor.--[[Special:Contributions/65.11.250.113|65.11.250.113]] 19:26, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== My sandboxes ==

Hiya David, I was wondering if you will take a look at my improved Primes sandbox (not that I'm suggesting to retitle the article or anything, it's just the whim of my user space). I hadn't realized Marvel never uses the number 13, as it's been years since I read "Legacy of Unicron" or "Primal Scream", one takes these things for granted now. Also, regarding Alpha Trion, I finally have a response again to yesterday's chat, I feel we can compromise on this: the only thing bugging people about him being a multiversal singularity is SG. As you suggested, we should wait: we should wait to see if Forest or Hasbro explain his actions in that continuity or if multiversal singularities don't apply to mirrorverses like SG and that Alpha is truely unique from the original Prime who's more likely than not the one from G1/RID/UT/TA/ROTF/WFC. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:08, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

== Scan request ==

Since I can't find my copy of it at the minute, and since I know you had it out recent to scan that image of Rodimus Prime that's on the main page at the moment, might I trouble you to scan the panel from the third issue of the Marvel movie adaptation that features Hot Rod with a handful of energon sticks? On Junkion, when he's trying the universal greeting. Thanks! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:59, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Ultra Magnus ==

I think we need to rewrite the Dreamwave section. It's kind of old TFwiki there with the super-condensed summary and lack of links to individual issues. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:04, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Daleks ==

Listen, if you want behind the scenes proof, When the Daleks first appeared in Doctor Who, they were called Daleks, Davros calling the casing Mark 3 Travel Machine never happed until the time of the Forth Doctor. The information on the page is WRONG.
[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:19, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Oh, and by the way, Davros if a Doctor Who character. Detour is giving us information from fiction too. The comment is wrong.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:22, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

== Something that might be of interest to the TFWiki... ==

I think you'll find [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/original-g1-scripts-designs-other-items-on-heritage-auction/20162/ this] to be rather interesting, as it may contain certain materials that would be decent additions to this Wiki. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:39, 8 November 2010 (EST)
: Thanks. I took some screencaps where I could. We should tell [[Jim Sorenson]] these exist and maybe he has a million dollars. (Or maybe just a hundred. Not many bids on these, and who the hell even knows this auction site exists?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:33, 8 November 2010 (EST)
::That site had some of the live-action movie props being auctioned either last year or earlier this year, IIRC. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:45, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:Should I/we let him know in his [[User talk:Jimsorenson|User Talk page]] about this? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:09, 9 November 2010 (EST)

==Question & request==
How come we should keep "Junkion trader"? I wouldn't know of a source that makes it a canon designation and before the article even had the noname-nickname template. So, why keep a made-up name that's no longer needed?
: Also, if you have ''The Complet Ark'', could you add an image of adult Chip Chase to his article? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:15, 14 November 2010 (EST)
:: Isn't "Junkion trader" from a magazine or something? I don't think we made it up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:43, 14 November 2010 (EST)
:::I can't say anything about magazines (though I'd wonder which magazine would bother to mention such an obscure "character"), but mostly, Derik, who made the article, had it marked as "nickname" from the start and left a reason for naming Junkion 1 "Junkion trader" on the Omniverse talk page. Altogether, I think it's not canon in any capacity. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:49, 14 November 2010 (EST)
::::*clenches fist* ''Derik''!! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:50, 14 November 2010 (EST)

==Another request (Junkion related)==
I figure that before I completely lose my sight looking for Junkion models in a sea of red & random, I should ensure someone will move the Junkion articles (currently 3) I've been writing to their proper location. Would you be so kind? If the articles aren't clear enough on which model/character is described, there's a small extra description in the mainpic temapltes (that I just figured out don't show up on the actual page). Pretty please? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 12:40, 17 November 2010 (EST)
: I don't own the Complete Ark, so it will have to wait for someone to divulge that information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 17 November 2010 (EST)
:: :( Well, I guess I could try pestering Sorenson about it. Sorry for bothering you. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:55, 17 November 2010 (EST)
::: I have the Complete Ark, but I'm finding your descriptions a little vague. I think I'd need screen shots or comic panels or whatever to work out who you're talking about. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 17:06, 17 November 2010 (EST)
::::As I said, the mainpic template contains a "screenshot description" that should make it possible to track who is who. Otherwise, [[:Image:TFTM Junkions.JPG|the three most in front in order are: kisser, double-eye and mouthplate]]. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:09, 17 November 2010 (EST)

== Talk:Bulkhead (Prime) ==

But every other kind of comment is allowed including swearing. The whole point of discussion pages is to discuss despite whether you think it's a waste. If it was in the wrong place then you should have said. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 09:46, 29 November 2010 (EST)
: "He looks kind of purple when he's under certain lighting" is not something that's worth discussing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:43, 29 November 2010 (EST)

== This might silence those who question the WFC/Exodus/Prime continuity ==

We finally have [http://www.unicron.com/news_item/2462/ official word] straight from the mouth of Hasbro itself that War for Cybertron, Exodus, and Prime are indeed in the same aligned continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:16, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:So... exactly what we had BEFORE. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:24, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::Yeah, but, now we can point nonbelievers to the words directly, instead of them having to just take our word for it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:33, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:::So... exactly what we had BEFORE. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:39, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:::On this very wiki: [[Hasbro_Q%26A/September_2010:_Answers]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:06, 8 December 2010 (EST)

== I Am Sorry ==

Hey look, I am here to apologize for the crap I have been saying. I was acting like a jerk for a while to you and It has really been haunting me recently. I know I need to work on my grammer, and I actually shouldn't posting anything since I am only in my second year in High School, and to be honest, I have only been a fan of TF for 9 years. I have really been a jerk recently and I just want to have a clean start now. I hope you understand. I am sorry, in other words, for all the crap I put you and this sight through.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 14:02, 22 December 2010 (EST)

== Walky..... ==
Care to tell me why you have blocked my IP? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:11, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:ItsWalky blocked your IP because of that Goldbug (IDW) toy deal of a few days ago. He may not have realized you were a regular contributor, but regardless, you should've started a third/fourth debate rather than declare the first two void because their results don't strike with your view on "reality". [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 06:20, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:: I blocked the anonymous IP who got into the edit war over removing Goldbug's toy info, which was just fucking obnoxious. If that was you, then whoops. Don't be a dickwad. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:16, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== You have Lugnut? ==

I've heard about you reviewing him, did you obtain him at a Brick & Mortar store like Walmart or Target? If so, which one (so the hunt may go on). Or was it through eBay/"specialty" store, or overseas? Moreso I'm wondering if the "not yet released" tag should still be applied to the Hasbro version on [[Lugnut (TF 2010)|his page]]. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 23:28, 11 February 2011 (EST)
: I got him from Big Bad Toy Store. He has been seen in stores, but like many other toys these days, he's having trouble hitting saturation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:45, 12 February 2011 (EST)

==Aw look==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_Willis_(cartoonist)_(2nd_nomination) Your Wikipedia page is up for deletion].

-Blackout-
:Yeah, a nomination you started. Big effing whup. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:04, 9 March 2011 (EST)
::Which is why it got a SpeedyKeep and the deletion tag is already gone. Nice try. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:52, 9 March 2011 (EST)

== Generations Scourge ==

Ohhh, yes, I see now. I didn't realise that his head could extend so far up. I thought it was just the normal extension for his robot mode. Bit of a pain to push back down, though...

Anyway, I apologise.

[[Special:Contributions/24.143.42.51|24.143.42.51]] 16:40, 26 March 2011 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Thank you for backing me up on the bolded-comma issue. I knew all those things people said about you couldn't be true! [[User:JW|JW]] 16:24, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

==A week?==
Don't you think that's a bit long for a regular editor to be banned? Far as I can tell, he didn't even get a warning. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 12:58, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
: It's not his first week-long ban. And he's been warned (and banned) about this behavior before. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:07, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
::Don't you think that's a bit short since that's about the only thing he does? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 13:11, 29 April 2011 (EDT)

==Iacon Archives==
Looking through the history of "Laserbeak (Cybertron)" and "Revelations Part 3", I see you were the one who called the archives the 'Iacon Archives'. Where did you get this name from, as it is not in the comics? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:45, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: The archives appeared to be in Iacon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:17, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
:: Could you elaborate on "appeared"? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:02, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
::: Everything in the story happened in Iacon. Or under Iacon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
:::: Not really, since Vector Prime and co. first hang out at Kalis and Kaon also gets namedropped at some point. So... I guess that means the Archives' location can't be pinpointend any better than "somewhere on Cybertron". Thanks for helping me! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:14, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

==New User==
There I did everything you said also I don't know how to use user pages so I hope i'm doing this right.[[User:Chubzhac|Chubzhac]] 23:35, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

==External Links==
Is it ok to use external links for titles such as ''Star Trek: Leonard McCoy, Frontier Doctor''? -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 00:15, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
: In what context? I'd really rather prefer most external links remain in the External links section. I kinda hate when I click on a link in the body of an article, thinking there'll be something relevant on this site, only to be taken elsewhere. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:16, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
::That's a little contradictory since there are external links all over this site that isn't in the External Links section. So what specifically don't you like about it? Being misled into thinking you're going onto Lindsey Lohan's Wikipedia article, but instead go to Mandy Moore's? (or something like that) What I meant exactly was that in almost every issue's page there's an Advertisment section showing what else is from the same publisher (that's why I used ''Star Trek'' as an example). So could some of those advertisments have an external link to another wiki site that would specialise (or have more insight) in that particular title. I hope that was a little more straight foward and maybe a little easier to understand. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 13:16, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Probation appeal ==

So, the incident that led to my probation was proposing that [[Dead End (Animated)]] move to "Dead End (Timelines)" on the basis that that was his franchise-of-origin. I brought the issue up on the Allspark's "Major Wiki work" thread because I had no idea why it was reverted and I couldn't talk about it here (because of the probation thing). [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=51208&view=findpost&p=1825571 The conclusion seemed to be] that I was ''technically'' correct, but the Wiki just didn't want to do it that way.
{{quote|The idea of moving the BotCon-exclusive Animated characters to a "Timelines" disambig is just one of those occasional instances where the instruction to "[[Help:Ignore all standards|ignore all standards]]" comes into play. Sometimes, it's just easier, more aesthetically pleasing, or just feels RIGHT to do things a certain way that may not be the way everything else is done.|[[Chris McFeely]]}}
I went about everything the right way, as far as I know. I put one move proposal tag on one page so it could be talked about. I gave a technically correct reason, "Franchise of origin. Like [[Cop-Tur (Timelines)]]". I do my best to remember to not do what I have been hollered at for doing in the past, but seriously, I had no way of knowing I was stepping into an instance of "ignore all standards". All you really had to do was revert my one move proposal with a big "We are ignoring all standards you moron!" in the change log. You would have felt better for hollering at me and I would have been clued in on what was going on and that would have been the end of it. So, can I please have my probation lifted? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:59, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

==When the past comes to haunt you==
[[Vector Sigma Chamber]] - I have no clue how it could be written so that it's significantly different from the Vector Sigma page. You've stated you believe it could be an article with its own worth. If you have time, would you please give the page its long needed update? 
Meanwhile, I have never been able to track down the source that the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' is Shockwave's underwater base in the Marvel comics. You and Derik talked about the source being one of the letters pages, but would you have any idea which issue's letters page? 
As an aside, [[TFWiki.net 2011 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Entries|this page]] is locked, which would be all fine and stuff if not for the handful of article links that can not be fixed anymore. Could you please remove all of them? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:32, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

== New and ticked off ==

I'm new here. I have taken your suggestions into account, but there is one thing that still bothers me: no one else wants to help me. Can you lend a hand? --[[User:Ibreakthingz|The Breaker]] 19:24, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:Nope - Random IP number
::What do you need help with? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:54, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
Let me tell you, I am SUPER excited to help the guy who starts off by telling me he's ticked off. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 20 June 2011 (EDT)

== Oh man, sorry ==
I don't see any comments, only some guy asking about how the info and description of Cybertron should be. Sorry about the confusion. I actually don't think that I ever reverted it back O.o I don't remember that, I must have clicked on some wrong place or something. Again, sorry fellow Transformer-fan :) [[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] 11:15, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Dark of the Moon: Ship? ==

What exactly did they use to explore the moon then? Just wondering, thanks. [[User:Autow1ngz|Autow1ngz]] 02:22, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
: The novelization calls the ship Ratchet and Optimus Prime take to the moon the "Atlax X," a human-built craft. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:45, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:Whoops, what I meant to say was what did Optimus and Ratchet use to recover the comatose (boy I love that word after seeing it on Tfwiki) body of Sentinel? [[User:Autow1ngz|Autow1ngz]] 03:00, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::No, in the finished film, they ''do'' use the Xantium to go to the moon. Prime announces in a voiceover at the beginning of the scene, "Xantium approaching Tranquility base". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:42, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:::It feels weird, then, that they only really introduce the ship much later in the movie.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:34, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::::Quite agreed. Seems fairly obvious that it was originally going to be a human-built endeavour (it's the "Ares V" in the comic), but then someone said "Why do they need a human rocket if our script already features a pre-existing Autobot spaceship as a plot point?", and it got shoved in earlier without any real reworking of the later intro scene. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:38, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Evac (Prime) ==

At SDCC announced two new figures for a character called Evac, from the Prime franchise, should we wait until he makes an appearance in the show to create his own article? --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 20:58, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
:Remember, one doesn't have to appear in the show to get a toy. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:03, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
::I could have sworn that Evac was supposed to be a character for the new Transformers ride...[[Special:Contributions/98.209.73.178|98.209.73.178]] 21:28, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
:::He's not from Prime, correct. He's a new character created for the movie-based Transformers ride at Universal. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:23, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

== I need to tell you something. ==

Hi. There's something that I've been feeling a bit guilty about for a long time. You see, on a different account (which I will reveal the name of after you respond to make sure there are no hard feelings) I was quite rude. I was irrational, confused and upset. Afterwards, I left this site in guilt, and ashamed because I wasn't thinking rationally a few times while on my account. Do you think you can maybe accept my apology for my actions, because I feel like a horrible person for the silly things I brought up and got into. Would you please accept my apology? If you can't, well, that's okay too. If you don't get this, well, I just wanted to say I'm sorry for being such a horrible person on such a good website. :(
[[Special:Contributions/74.82.64.16|74.82.64.16]] 15:27, 28 July 2011 (EDT)

== Guilt ==

Sorry, I was thinking about my previous heading "I need to tell you something" and I reliezed that although I ment it in a kind way, I thought it's possible that you could believe that to mean that I had some cruel things to say, which I did not. The message is still the same though! If it means anything, I would like to say you can be sure nothing like that could happen again with me.
[[Special:Contributions/74.82.64.17|74.82.64.17]] 16:05, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
: I don't know who you are, but I guess we're all right. It's hard to refuse an apology from an anonymous dude. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:12, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

== Harrison Ford ==

Was it rude? Horrifying even? Why did you undo my edit? An external reference isn't to much to ask for. Is it? -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 19:39, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
: I addressed this on the talk page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:55, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

== Files on user pages ==

I removed the images from my user page because of fair use, but nobody had removed them in the meantime because of this. So did I do right by taking them off or can I put them back? -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 19:46, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
: I don't really understand what you're asking. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:35, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
::Let's try this again. On another wiki I added a pic to [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Anythingspossibleforapossible&oldid=39022 my user page] and it was [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Anythingspossibleforapossible&action=history removed]. [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Thailog#Using files on your own user page This is the reply I got when I inquired further]. If you still don't understand I'll just put them back. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 18:11, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Over here, you're allowed to upload one pic specifically for your userpage. On top of that, from what I gather, you can add other pics that already exist for article, but obviously don't go overboard. Hope that helps! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:10, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::Thank you. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 18:11, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

== I noticed the BotCon Europe 2002 talk page ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Selective_deletion]

Just being helpful. :) --[[User:Krafty|K-K-Krafty!]] 10:22, 11 November 2011 (EST)

== About the caption bastard template... ==

I do not understand why you added that (mean-spirited) template. It's only two captions, and if you looked at my contributions, you would have noticed that I added a lot of information. I thought captions were supposed to be a reward for all that work. Adding a twist on an overused joke is at least an attempt to make it fresh, rather than stating some variation of "this joke sucks now", which is ''just'' as overused as plainly using an overused joke. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 19:41, 6 January 2012 (EST)
: I apologize for using the template. I was going to write a more personal note, but remembered we had the template, forgetting how sharply worded it was. You have not been a bad editor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:42, 6 January 2012 (EST)

==A massive favour to ask==
Ive just started getting into your webcomics (im up to date on shortpacked and it wasnt until this morning i realised about you're earlier ones) but i have a huge favour to ask of you. I am currntly stuck with this stupid school laptop for a home computer which includes a school blocking system. While Shortpacked and Joyce and Walky sites are unaffected when i try to open dumbing of age it comes up with
[[Image:Examplepagetoshowwalky.jpg|left|500px|thumb|]]
Is there anyway you could perhaps email me copies of the files for each update + all the ones so far. I can understand if you say no but i though there was no harm in asking--[[User:Mrgalvaprime|Mrgalvaprime]] 06:15, 17 January 2012 (EST)
: I'm sorry, but I cannot email you all my comics. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:12, 1 March 2012 (EST)
Oh well, it was a long shot anyway--[[User:Mrgalvaprime|Mrgalvaprime]] 03:47, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
{{-}}

== Prime toys ==

You wouldn't happen to know when exactly the ''Transformers: Prime'' toys are scheduled to be released, would you?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.172.244|71.255.172.244]] 19:59, 1 March 2012 (EST)
: Transformers toys that aren't the first wave of product for a blockbuster movie don't tend to have release dates. Stores will receive them and put them out at some point after that. So I have no date for you. However, I've seen them out at some stores here for weeks, so the answer is "some time in the past, perhaps now, perhaps not until the future." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 1 March 2012 (EST)
I haven't seen any toys in the stores, but thanks anyway.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.172.244|71.255.172.244]] 21:44, 1 March 2012 (EST)

The other convention-exclusive pink Arcee figure, they are availible on the web. How would I be able to get it without getting lead into a scam. I was hoping you or someone on this wiki would know how I would be able to get that toy. I didn't go to the convention.[[Special:Contributions/71.162.106.122|71.162.106.122]] 19:24, 4 March 2012 (EST)
: http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/transformers-prime-bumblebee-and-arcee-set?BR=496&ID=29273 --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:58, 5 March 2012 (EST)
::Wow! Only $29.99. Thanks.
:::On Ebay, it costs $80.00.

== what you said to me ==

i will make sure i learn more english when i go to school today
: Mostly I hope they teach you about capital letters and punctuation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:02, 19 March 2012 (EDT)

It's kind of hard to do that all when you're using a wii like I am [[User:Jacktransformerdude|Jacktransformerdude]] 02:08, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
: If you're editing the wiki with something that makes it nigh-impossible to edit the wiki, you probably shouldn't edit the wiki. I've tried it on my cellphone before, and it's extremely difficult to get all of the various coding right, but if I can't edit the wiki correctly, I just don't edit the wiki. Leaving a bunch of stuff that has to be deleted or completely overhauled is worse than not contributing at all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:54, 19 March 2012 (EDT)

== The Fallen/Megatronus Prime artwork ==

I wanted to have someone verify this before I uploaded it, but is [http://t4ak.roblox.com/daaf9f4eb9b33f115661eb4a7c849007 this] the concept art for the ''Aligned'' pre-Fallen version of Megatronus Prime, and if so is is usable? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 15:23, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
: That's not exactly what we saw at Hasbro's panels. It's not in the same style. (It'd look more like the Aligned Prima art, which is way more painterly.) This looks like an artist's recreation from memory to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:07, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
::Thanks, just what I needed to know. Off to search again. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:53, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
:::Pictures were not allowed of those guys. If you somehow manage to find one, we wouldn't be able to use it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:15, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Gotcha. Thanks anyway. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 21:37, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

== Prime Hot Shot toy image ==

Not really sure why you replaced the photos that I already took for the toy with your own, (which are kind of faded, especially with the red) but whatever. Just kind of wondering why, though. Well, there go my efforts... :/ [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 23:19, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
: M Sipher overwrote my Kick-Over photos. It happens. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:33, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

== Reno Wilson ==

If I sound impatient, I'm sorry, but I've explained the reasoning behind my edit to the Mudflap controversy several times over, and nobody has disagreed with me. A couple users explained what it's supposed to mean, but it turns out that it's based on an incorrect assumption to begin with. Both times that I've I changed it, though, the edit has been reverted without an explanation. If this is about my spate of edits to my own comments, then I'm sorry, but I'm just editing a minor note to be more factually accurate and less obtusely "snarky". How can I get it to stick? - [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 17:00, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
: "Nobody has disagreed with me" is a pretty bold complaint, considering everyone on that talk page disagrees with you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:08, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
::In my defense, that's a recent development. Nobody ''had'' disagreed with me when I wrote that. If anyone can prove me wrong or show that this is a special case, I'll shut up right now. However, while I understand if it became personal at some point, I have to admit I don't see the point in defending the wording of one note so closely to begin with, at least not unless it's funnier than I thought. - [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 18:12, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
:::"Prove me wrong" is a red herring. The entire discussion is a "Yeah-huh"/"Nuh-uh" dynamic. You didn't understand the joke. Everyone else did. There's nothing left to prove or discuss. Please, please, please move on to something else. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:31, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

==IDW==
Ok. Fine but can you edit Ratchet then if I do my edits too long because I've been on it for quite awhile. Ed

===IDW Whirl==
Hi there, I'm not sure how else to get in touch with you.
Please don't include speculative conclusions to the Wiki. All that was written in MTMTE #6 regarding Whirl is that he was at one point an instructor, and that he changed his names a few times. Until it has been confirmed that Whirl IS or is not Jetstream, please don't state as such. (apple pie)
: I don't think you grasp the difference between speculative conclusions and the Whirl/Jetstream deal. Don't mess with those pages again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:03, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

===Nightracer Changes===
I got a note from you and am not sure the proper method for messaging or response to you, so I'll just say it here? You needn't have so drastically changed both entries for Nightracer. I deliberately created a new page for the cloned Nightracer so once more was known about both, they could both be altered accordingly. You seemed to edit both pages until they were to YOUR liking, rather than letting them evolve as needs be. Really, you created a lot of work for yourself, so please don't get upset and send me condescending messages when you could have simply fixed the new entry, and let me know how they work. It's not exactly easy to find instructions on how to "discuss" things, so assuming you know EXACTLY how everything should work and then talking down to a newer user doesn't really make you look very good.
: YOU needn't have so drastically changed Nightracer's entries. That is my problem. I am trying to revert. As a new user, when you make many many changes to a page, to the point of moving the page itself, without asking about it first, I don't think you have a lot of room to get mad at someone else changing it a whole bunch to put it mostly back the way it was. Next time, ask. Certainly, at least, until you have a better grasp of how the wiki organizes information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:08, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

===Reverting All My Edits==
Okay, so maybe I should quit adding captions. But why do you keep undoing my major edits to character bio pages too? Okay, it shouldn't be an essay. But this is a Wikipedia, and it's the Transformers Wikipedia to boot; people come here for specific information. On Transformers.
[[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:49, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
: You are not adding specific information. You are saying in fifteen paragraphs what the page is already saying in three paragraphs. It is not only unnecessary, but makes the page worse. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

==Secretary joke==
:I have no problem with acknowledging Arcee's less intense role in HM (note: I have yet to see about half of HM, so as for HM context I hardly have anything to say), but I question what is the joke's target: The Headmasters's writing... or secretaries and Japanese people? It's not just that joke, it's that this wiki has a small web of jokes and remarks relating to Arcee's job change that go beyond fair critique and into, well, bigotry. I'm trying to imagine how the way the wiki trashes on Arcee's job change must read to someone who is a secretary. As the child of a (once) secretary, I do see it as an attack on the job itself. You can't really deny that - just look at the image description I've changed that felt the need to specify the job warrior with "brave" as if being a secretary means you can't be brave (if this is HM context, it fails to specify that). Airazor's page used to have the same problem in her writeup about her gender in Japan. This also makes the joke gendered, given the usual associations of who does which job contrasted with the idea which job deserves more appreciation. For the other element of the joke that bugs me, I invite a look at BW Blackarachnia's note section. There's one at best humorous, at worst neutral treatment of an absolutely disgusting post on Blackarachnia's design process. The next note about Blackarachnia in Japan is written with much more condemnation while failing to convince me I'm reading about something worse than the previous note. And then there's that eternal remark about Arcee in HM again that again fails to offer a proper and coherent story rather than inside-crowd cover-aggression. I could also talk about the 'joke' showing up on TFA Arcee's page, which is kinda bull considering TFA had a bad-to-horrendous treatment of most of its female cast, Arcee included, but that's not commented on. No, what is commented on is a lesser worse treatment of G1 Arcee decennia ago in that awful country known as Japan.
:That's why I want the joke changed. Not because the wiki shouldn't talk about the job change and sexist/gender stereotypical script motivations, but because I don't think a small cover-aggressive caption will be enough to do that without being sexist itself. And in the context of the entire wiki, because I feel critique on Japanese writing is handled considerably bolder than critique on American writing.
:All that said, I'm taking a step aside from the above to thank you for the Arcee captions you've added. They're a great addition to her article. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:09, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
::I've yet to be convinced that you can tell the difference between making fun of bigotry and bigotry itself. You seem to constantly believe one is the other, and suggest that just dealing with the subject directly is embracing it. To that I say bullshit, and that's stupid. You're not going to win that argument. Making fun of stupid Transformers crap is what this wiki does, and "historically bad treatment of female characters" is not magically exempt from that.
:: The way to fix this is not to dial back on the criticism of stupid crap. If there are things you think we should lampshade but we are not, by all means, fix that. Animated Arcee already has a caption on her page talking about how she's just a prop. I added one to G1 Arcee's page last night about her less-than-stellar introduction into IDW continuity. (Both those are English fictions, btw.)
:: The "In Japan, I'm a secretary!" is a caption that is as old as her page, and originally belonged to a screencap from her then-only appearance in which her leg had gotten blown off in the line of duty. I don't think it's appropriate for the stock image for which it has substituted and could stand to be changed to match the image better. But if you're going to level the pretty incendiary charge of "bigotry," I think you could at least meet that serious charge with the footwork to determine the source and context of the content you're leveling the claim at. Again, this is part of my concern that you assume the worst of others' intentions without first attempting to understand them. Is a caption "bigotry" when it merely survived an earlier version of the page from a time when Animated Arcee didn't have the history she does now? Or do you just like throwing that damn word around because it's easy? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:34, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::You know what I don't get? That I can't simply say "this caption makes me uncomfortable" and that that is enough reason to change it (I could also add to that "these captions have ''always'' made me uncomfortable but I've been too scared and confused to do something about most of them earlier"). Also I don't get why you keep making this as if I am attacking individuals. The only reason I contacted you and M Sipher is because you both returned something that makes me uncomfortable and rather than start an edit war with an admin or two because I'd like to get a few things done before ever getting banned, I'm trying to talk this over. Yes, I'm using words as "bigotry" and "sexism", because I don't think they're big words that should be reserved for the most extreme, clearly visible of cases. The moment it plays into a system (that makes the extreme cases possible), it qualifies. But I don't call ''anyone'' any of those words, because I don't believe these jokes/critiques are bad on their own, but bad in a system, and I don't hold anyone of this wiki responsible for that system. Why I don't look up histories of page jokes/remarks - I'm not interested in who put it there and the reasons for it aren't really important either. All I'm concerned about is what is there now and how it connects with other such comments all over the wiki. Individual excuses are just going to cloud the systematic problem's presence.
:::And believe me, it's ''not'' easy using those words, because they're words that are likely to cause unwarranted defensiveness that blocks out the entire function of those words of pointing out systematic problems. If I'd go for easy, I'd be ass-kissing my way into your good graces right now.
:::I hope you'll excuse me that I'll give a specific reply to "I've yet to be convinced that you can tell the difference between making fun of bigotry and bigotry itself. You seem to constantly believe one is the other, and suggest that just dealing with the subject directly is embracing it." (only). There's two things I know of that are important in this, and those are all needed: that ironic sexism ís a form of sexism and that femmephobia is a terrible way of 'battling' sexism. That indeed puts a number of jokes and remarks around here in the same vein of bad as what they try to criticize. Call it a 'belief' if you want to, I'll keep calling it 'What is Sexism 101'. And lastly, it's nonsense that a caption can 'deal with a subject directly'. Nearly all captions rely on background knowledge, but do not provide it themselves. That's why a number of them criticizing content fail. Notes and elaborate sections tend to provide better 'deal with a subject directly'-stuff, but they're rare.
:::The thing is that I'd love to rewrite/write about some of the problematic content and 'deal with the subject directly' but I sincerely doubt that it would be appreciated. There was, for example, the matter of Override Prime's Primehood about a year ago that did not go down well. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:36, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
::::The problem is that you have a definition of "femmephobia" that others do not share, and so your claims of it aren't getting any traction. I still can't comprehend how pointing out that Arcee's function in America is "Warrior" but her function in Japan is "Go-fer" is in any way being hateful of ladies. Hear me out: I in no way want to diminish your feelings on a topic that you have a inside take on. As a female, you will always have a better understanding of the experience, and as dudes the best we can do is listen and understand. However, the problem is ''you are just one female.'' You don't represent all of them. I've been doing webcomics about ladies and gay folks for forever, and if there's anything I've learned over and over again it's that nobody agrees on what's offensive or sexist or bigoted. I've gotten yelled for jokes being construed as insensitive by a minority, while simultaneously a bunch of other folks from that same minority saying that other guy or gal is wrong and it was fine. If commentary could be vetoed by one person who didn't like it, there wouldn't be any commentary ever. And so while your word carries more weight on this topic due to circumstance of birth, your word will not always be Final. It can't work that way.
::::You can make a plea for why that caption is dumb, and if others agree we can certainly yank it out, but other people can outvote you. This wiki is a collaborative project and no one person can veto the decisions of the community, lest I remind you that we don't have an all-encompassing Sideways page. Your best course of action is to find others who agree with you and get them involved here. I bet you that on this topic the wiki would be willing to listen to a vocal minority (that is, consisting of more than one person). --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:37, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
::::At any rate, I've asked around: http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/32361010306/a-question-to-the-ladies-who-follow-me-so (I want to emphasize through this exercise that while I may not agree with your take, I do take it seriously.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:17, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Oh, I am familiar with your work and the controversies it causes. If I recall correctly, it was one of your comics that introduced me to the term "ableism". Came in handy when the D-drama in the MLP: Friendship is Magic fandom started.
:::::I am also well-aware I am not the chosen representative of all of womanhood, nor did I present myself as such. I very much appreciate you asking others for their opinions, even though I didn't have to look to know what the general attitude would be. It's commendable you took the time to do this for me. Thank you.
:::::That said, you unintentionally brought up another possible 'both be happy'-solution for this matter that doesn't require too much change I think. I don't know much about Arcee's role in HM, as said already, but if her role is so small that her job can be described as "gofer", then all I request is that word to be used on the wiki instead of "secretary" for me to be, well, a lot more okay with the situation, and definitely the caption. Would that be possible (I accept 'no')? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:05, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::"Go-fer" is fine. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:43, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

== Question ==
Alright, I probably seem like a little kid for asking this, but how do you think I did on the ''[[Transformers: Prime - The Game|Prime - The Game]]'' page? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 08:19, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

== "Home in" ==

I don't understand how the merriam link disagrees with jalaguy; it specifically gives "a missile honing in on its target — Bob Greene" as an example.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:01, 27 November 2012 (EST)
: Yes, it gives examples of usage, but then spends a whole paragraph belaboring how it shouldn't be used. The page defines it, but then tells you not to use it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:34, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:: I hadn't expected to start a mini-edit war with that note. Thanks for the support! [[User:JW|JW]] 10:35, 28 November 2012 (EST)

== Predacon bird ==

I Looked it up and can't find anything on the Predacon bird from Car Robots. Can you please tell me where I can find the picture of the Predacon bird?[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] 19:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)
: I seriously have no idea what the hell you are talking about. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 10 December 2012 (EST)
::He seems to be talking about some random shot cut from an [[The Decepticons|RID episode]]... [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 20:29, 10 December 2012 (EST)
:::Then I am of no help. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:21, 11 December 2012 (EST)

== NOOOOO.jpg ==

: [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] has had [tfwiki.net/wiki/File:NOOOOO.jpg this] marked to be moved since May. No one's done so, so I'd like to see if I you'd approve of the move?--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] 18:29, 27 July 2013 (EDT)

== Question. ==

EDIT-Thank you.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 17:06, 19 August 2013 (EDT)

== Apologies ==

Hey ItsWalky,

Just saw your message. Just got rid of the link. Sorry about that.

I didn't mean to break any rules, I just wanted to know what to do with the info.

--[[User:Dean3|Dean3]] 01:00, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Wait until it airs? Which is why the Predacons Rising page is LOCKED? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Will do. Thanks again for the info. Also, as a side note, that's an ''awesome'' profile image you've got on your page. Plus your art is awesome too; just checked your blog page. --[[User:Dean3|Dean3]] 02:48, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

== Possible Second Alt Mode.... ==

Does perceptor in fall of cybertron transform into a microscope?
[[User:Hyruk]]
: I dunno, maybe read [[Perceptor (Prime)|Perceptor]]'s page to find out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:40, 1 November 2013 (EDT)

== Recordicons 16 ==

Are the guys in the background besides Injector meant to be anybody? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:23, 26 February 2014 (EST)
: The only other real background guy is Ravage. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:50, 26 February 2014 (EST)
: Though the robot in the extreme foreground is [[:File:Maccadams bartender marvel uk 82.jpg|this person]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:52, 26 February 2014 (EST)

== Dark Cybertron ==

Hi Walky,
Can I ask why exactly my edits to DC #11 are just NO? They're perfectly valid points;
1) Prowl did remove the head from Powlistator in RID, and seeing though he hated it, had no reason to fix it back onto himself. So the combined mode SHOULD have no head in that issue.
2) Brainstorm HAS been dead all this time, and as it was established all the way back in the -Ations, anybody who has can't die again. He should not have been affected by the kill switch.
Looking forward to finding out just WHY I am incorrect,
-Drift
:The Brainstorm thing will OBVIOUSLY be explained later. Like, super-obviously. It is not an error. It's what Roberts DOES. It's been planned for YEARS. And if the Prowl head actually belongs to Prowl, he sure doesn't seem to be missing any mass. I mean, that head must be made out of some parts of him, right? So it either belongs to one of the other Constructicons or the creation of the altmode kibble is magical -- in either case, it's not an error. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:12, 24 March 2014 (EDT)
:: I tweeted Roberts about it as soon as it came out. Normally when it's going to be explained in a few issues he sort of gives a sly wink nod tweet back, and he didn't say anything, making me think that for once he didn't think about that. Also, if you look, Prowl HAS lost mass between the first time Griffith drew him and the times he has in DC. Even if he hasn't that would be an artist error, which doesn't change to fact it HAS happened. Even if it did come from a Constructicon, they too haven't had the time to fix that either as they left Iacon, meaning they wouldn't have had time to have it re-attached and I doubt it would have been high up their priorities. I'd possibly give you Brainstorm, but I think you're wrong about Devastator.

User talk:ItsWalky

2014-03-24T18:39:38Z

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Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11

2014-03-24T07:25:37Z

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'''The Autobots and Decepticons rally against the invading Ammonite hordes as Bumblebee and Megatron take the fight to Shockwave.'''

==Synopsis==

''Several months ago, shortly before the launch of the ''[[Lost Light]]'', [[Brainstorm]]—eager to further his research of the [[Dead Universe]]—carries out some tests on [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]]. A scanning device shows two lifesigns in the room: one for Brainstorm, one for Hardhead, proving that Hardhead is indeed alive once more after this experiences in the Dead Universe. Hardhead is incredulous, but just as Brainstorm is explaining the wily ways of the Dead Universe, a bolt of energy leaps from the corpse of [[Nova Prime]]—kept in Brainstorm's lab as another object of study—and strikes the scientist. He appears to be fine, but the dropped scanner, forgotten by the pair, now detects only ''one'' lifesign...''

In the present day, [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]]'s [[Ammonite]] army descends upon [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s begin fighting back immediately, but [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], seeing the futility of a counter-attack, begins issuing orders to have the planet evacuated. [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] stops him with a grave realization: he has observed cosmological blueshift, which indicates that space and time are collapsing.

In [[Crystal City]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] reports [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]]'s apparent expiration to a disinterested Shockwave. [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] presents Shockwave with the chronal drive, now containing the drained life-energy of the entire Dead Universe, and as Shockwave integrates it into his body, he momentarily becomes psychologically unstuck in time and is overwhelmed with visions of his past life. As he struggles to process the experience, Jhiaxus explains the plans with scientific relish to [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] as he dons a suit of armor, then orders [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] to join the battle in [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]. [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]], meanwhile, observes that Galvatron has some life in him yet...

Back in Iacon, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] radios [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] in the hopes she can get [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] to join the fight, but the Titan proves to need no persuasion, and rises to the task. As Metroplex engages the Ammonite horde, aboard the ''Lost Light'', Bumblebee and [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] assemble a team to head into Crystal City and take on Shockwave. They disembark the ship and meet with [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], who is a little surprised to see that Megatron's alliance with the Autobots is a legitimate one. A moment later, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] arrives with his own team, and explains that [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] can teleport them all into Crystal City; there is a little almost-good-natured back-and-forth trash-talk between everyone, including [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)|Metalhawk]]'s attempt to apologize for his actions post-resurrection, but all agree to leave proper arguments and discussions until all is said and done. With the appearance of Monstructor, a hesitant [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] is forced to once again combine with the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] into [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], providing cover for Bumblebee and Megatron's team to get away. Alas, Skywarp proves unable to teleport such a large group, so [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] decides to stay behind, as does [[Getaway]]. Starscream dismisses the altruism, but Soundwave agrees, and he and his cassettes also decide to remain behind. A blast clips Scoop just as the group teleports out...

...and reappears in the Crystal City cavern, where [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] immediately begins celebrating the fact he survived the jump... juuuuust before Bludgeon runs him through with his sword. Magnus, [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] and Brainstorm keep the Master of [[Metallikato]] busy while Megatron and Bumblebee search for Shockwave, and Metalhawk leads [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] and Starscream—still stunned over Scoop's actions—to Jhiaxus's ship. The trio are confronted by the master scientist himself, fully clad in what he calls his [[reactive armor]]. He mocks Metalhawk and how easy it was to control him after his resurrection, then turns his scorn on Starscream, who angrily opens fire on the scientist. Though the blast from Starscream's cannons is impressive, Jhiaxus's reactive armor absorbs it and shifts into a form that matches its power, mimicking Starscream's own.

Megatron and Bumblebee arrive in Shockwave's command chamber, where a hesitant Dreadwing tries to tough-talk them, only to be blasted by Megatron. They come upon the limp form of Galvatron, who admits what his actions have wrought and submits himself to Megatron's wrath, but Bumblebee tries to talk the Decepticon leader out of slaying him, reminding him of his past to convince him that killing is not the way forward. Megatron lowers his cannon... and Bumblebee's chest explodes as Shockwave shoots him through the back. Megatron races to his fallen ally's side, but it is too late: Bumblebee is dead. With a howl of rage, Megatron lunges at Shockwave, but his old subordinate is surging with the power of the chronal drive and his ores, and seems unbeatable...

As Magnus and Skids continue their battle with Bludgeon, the samurai warrior proves unimpressed with Skids's adaptive powers and demonstrates the superiority of his natural skill over the theoretician's mimicry. Magnus, too, falls, distracted by a cry from Brainstorm, who has collapsed in pain... as a swirling portal opens within his chest and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] and his team emerge through it!

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks. 
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*[[Brainstorm]] (2)
*[[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] (4)
*[[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] (7)
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (8)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (9)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slug]] (10)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (12)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (13)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (14)
*[[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] (15)
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (16)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (17)
*[[Rung (G1)|Rung]] (18)
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*[[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]] (20)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (21)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (22)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (23)
*[[Mainframe (G1)|Mainframe]] (24)
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (25)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]] (26)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (27)
*[[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] (35)
*[[Nautica]] (36)
*[[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] (37)
*[[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] (38)
*[[Windmill (G1)|Windmill]] (39)
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*[[Grotusque]] (41)
*[[Hosehead (G1)|Hosehead]] (43)
*[[Hurricane|Hurricane]] (44)
*[[Rumbler (G1)|Rumbler]] (45)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (46)
*[[Getaway]] (47)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (48)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (64)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] (69)
*[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] (70)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] (71)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (72)
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*[[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] (30)
*[[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] (32)
*[[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] (33)
*[[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] (34)
*[[Cutthroat (G1)|Cutthroat]] (42)
*[[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (49)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (50)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (51)
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (52)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (53)
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*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (60)
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*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (65)
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*[[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] (58)
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==Quotes==

"'''Windblade?''' It's '''Magnus'''. There's no easy way to say this, but—the universe is ending." 
"Uh-huh." 
"You took that very well." 
"Yes, well, it takes more than—wait, did you say the universe is ending? The '''universe''' is '''ending?''' What kind of a person starts a conversation like '''that?'''"
:—'''Ultra Magnus''' and '''Windblade'''

"On that note... everybody ready to—what's the phrase? <nowiki>'</nowiki>'''Roll on out'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>?"
:—'''Starscream'''

"Cybertron is in your hands, Megatron. '''Ravage'''—my friends—" 
"Yeah, yeah, I '''get''' it. We're '''with''' you... just tell 'em '''some cassettes''' sent you, okay?"
:—'''Soundwave''' and '''Ravage'''

"He's given up, Megatron. '''Leave it.'''" 
"He ripped me in half." 
"And in return you're going to '''kill''' him? Is that how your world works? Each blow invites a bullet? Each death answered by '''ten'''? Because look where it's got you. Look where it's got '''all''' of us. All those years ago, when you dreamed of a life outside of the energon mines—is '''this''' what you wanted to become? The type of person who would rather '''kill''' than '''not kill'''?" 
"He's '''your''' enemy as much as mine." 
"Good, bad, friends, enemies... if there's one thing I've learned since '''Metalhawk''' and the others came home, it's that the world's a lot more '''complicated''' than that—and so are '''you.''' So let him live—let him '''join us'''." 
''(Megatron relents and offers Galvatron his hand.)'' 
"See? We're stronger together than apart."
:—'''Bumblebee'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s last words to '''Megatron'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*The first page of this issue is set concurrently with the early stages of [[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|''More than Meets the Eye'' #1]], prior to the launch of the ''Lost Light''. The news report playing in the background is Rodimus's speech from the first page of that issue.
*Hardhead is playing about with Brainstorm's security pass, also seen in ''More than Meets the Eye'' #1. He's evidently just heat-activated the [[rubsign]] on it.
*The launch site of the ''Lost Light'' (and the [[Ark (G1)|Ark-1]] before it) is revealed to be [[Rivets Field]], the hot spot named as the birthplace of [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] in ''More than Meets the Eye'' [[Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|#21]].
*The [[cyberwraith]] that played a key role back in [[Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Chapter 2]] can be spotted on Brainstorm's workbench, while the scientist's ever-mysterious [[briefcast]] can ''just'' about be seen behind some speech bubbles, under glass in a compartment on the wall behind him.
*Nova Prime's body appears here following his apparent death in ''[[Spotlight: Sideswipe]]'', still in his "Nemesis Prime" color scheme. It's never been explained until now how Nova went from this death to his reappearance in ''[[The Transformers: Heart of Darkness|Heart of Darkness]]''; his essence returned to the Dead Universe following the expiry of his physical shell.
*Brainstorm is revealed to have been "killed" by the Dead Universe, and has been in an undead state for the entirety of his involvement in ''More than Meets the Eye''. This is why the life-consuming [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]] ignored him when he was confronted by it waaaay back in ''More than Meets the Eye'' [[Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|#3]]; slyly alluding to Brainstorm's living-dead state two years ahead of this revelation, the scene even had Skids remark that he was "already dead".
*Even slier, recall Brainstorm's reluctance to go into the Dead Universe back in [[Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Chapter 2]], evidently knowing the risks to him if he did.
*For maximum slyness, back in [[No Exit: Dark Cybertron Chapter 6|Chapter 6]], when a life signature reading was taken of the [[Rodpod]] and Metroplex, eight signs were detected, which the issue intimated consisted of one for each of the seven 'bots in the pod (including Brainstorm), and a stowaway Ammonite that the crew mistakenly thought was Metroplex. But Metroplex turned out to be alive, so that left a signature missing... ol' dead Brainstorm.
*Bumblebee has removed the protective faceplate from his new body, which we first learned he could do back in [[Finest Hour: Dark Cybertron Chapter 5|Chapter 5]]; whether by coincidence or design, this makes him look close (but not identical) to [[TakaraTomy]]'s "Bumblebee Goldbug" version of the Goldfire toy, which retained the original Bumblebee head.
*Ultra Magnus lets out a good old fashioned "Hell's bells!" thereby continuing his predilection for quaint expletives that began in [[Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|Chapter 3]].
* On page 9, Grotusque's distinctive form can be seen among the fighting bots. Whether this is an outright error or a retcon of his apparent death in "[[Chaos Part One: Lamentations|Lamentations]]" remains to be seen.
*As Shockwave integrates the chronal drive into his body, he is assailed with a series of visions from throughout his life, showing us scenes of his friendship with Orion Pax, his undergoing [[Shadowplay]] and [[Empurata]], and his first meeting with Megatron; all newly-drawn by Griffith, but previously seen in, and with dialogue lifted from, "[[Chaos Theory Part 2|Chaos Theory]]", the [[Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|"Shadowplay" trilogy]], and [[Shockpoint|''Robots in Disguise'' #22]].
*We learned last chapter that all those turned by the Dead Universe have portals that link the worlds within them; at the time that seemed like it was merely intended to serve as an explanation for why Kup had a portal within him earlier in the story, but is now revealed to have been foreshadowing for the appearance of the portal within Brainstorm through which Prime's team emerge. That also makes it implicit that the "singing" the team heard while in the Dead Universe last chapter was the singing going on in [[Swerve's]], echoing through the portal in Brainstorm.

===Transformers references===
*Jetfire appears with the design of his upcoming new ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Leader-class figure.
*Stabbed by Bludgeon, Waspinator crumples and plaintively wonders why the universe hates him, repeating the famous character-defining quote he originally coined in the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode "[[Deep Metal]]".
*When attacked by Starscream, Jhiaxus's reactive armor adopts the shape of Starscream's new body in an orange-and-white color scheme—this, of course, being what Jhiaxus's new ''Generations'' figure looks like. Or rather, ''sort of'' looks like—the color layout is different, and he appears without any of the mold changes the toy has that distinguish it from Starscream.

===Errors===
*Continuing the artistic error of the previous chapter, Bumblebee's new "Goldfire" body appears with design cues from the original comic design that were not part of the toy, when all previous appearances of the body have adhered to the toy design.
*During Shockwave's out-of-time experience (pages 6-7), the second word balloon ("Yes, yes... but... I planted a seed") should be tailless, as that line was not spoken at the same time and place as what the accompanying panel depicts.
*Hook is with the Decepticons on page 13, despite having combined into Devastator on the previous page; he's apparently been drawn in place of Scoop, who's missing from this panel.
*On page 14, Starscream says, "He's going get himself killed!" Presumably, there was supposed to be a "to" in there.
*On page 19, Galvatron calls Dreadwing "Dreadwin''d''".
* The constructicons and Prowl form Devastator to fight Monstructor, however the last time we saw this combination Prowl decapitated it, yet it has a head here. Unless Prowl can grow new heads it seems a bit weird.
* Brainstorm has been dead since series beginning, yet somehow got affected by Tyrests kill switch,

===Trivia===
*Artist breakdown: All Andrew Griffith, all the time, baby!
*The idea of "Dark Cybertron" Jiminez/Fajardo covers corresponding to the toy they come with as gone right out the window over the last three issues, and this one's no different with [[Legends Class]] Cosmos taking the spotlight.
*Bumblebee's death was accidentally blown by the preview of Chapter 12 released through iTunes the week prior to this issue's release; although it had been cut down to only one page instead of the normal three to avoid any in-story spoilers, unfortunately, the ''recap'' page and its detailing of 'Bee's departure was ''not'' removed.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' A burning Autobot symbol forewarns of the "Death of a Hero", by [[Casey Coller]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
*'''Sub cover:''' Cosmos by [[Phil Jimenez]] and [[Romulo Fajardo Jr.]]
*'''Cover RI:''' Bludgeon by [[Marcelo Matere]] and [[Priscilla Tramontano]]
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[[Category:Dark Cybertron issues]]

Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11

2014-03-24T07:24:56Z

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|title="Black Planet" Dark Cybertron Chapter 11
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|date=[[March 19]], [[2014]]
|coverdate=February 2014
|written by=[[John Barber]] and [[James Roberts]]
|art by=[[Andrew Griffith]]
|colors by=[[Josh Perez]]
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'''The Autobots and Decepticons rally against the invading Ammonite hordes as Bumblebee and Megatron take the fight to Shockwave.'''

==Synopsis==

''Several months ago, shortly before the launch of the ''[[Lost Light]]'', [[Brainstorm]]—eager to further his research of the [[Dead Universe]]—carries out some tests on [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]]. A scanning device shows two lifesigns in the room: one for Brainstorm, one for Hardhead, proving that Hardhead is indeed alive once more after this experiences in the Dead Universe. Hardhead is incredulous, but just as Brainstorm is explaining the wily ways of the Dead Universe, a bolt of energy leaps from the corpse of [[Nova Prime]]—kept in Brainstorm's lab as another object of study—and strikes the scientist. He appears to be fine, but the dropped scanner, forgotten by the pair, now detects only ''one'' lifesign...''

In the present day, [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]]'s [[Ammonite]] army descends upon [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s begin fighting back immediately, but [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], seeing the futility of a counter-attack, begins issuing orders to have the planet evacuated. [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] stops him with a grave realization: he has observed cosmological blueshift, which indicates that space and time are collapsing.

In [[Crystal City]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] reports [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]]'s apparent expiration to a disinterested Shockwave. [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] presents Shockwave with the chronal drive, now containing the drained life-energy of the entire Dead Universe, and as Shockwave integrates it into his body, he momentarily becomes psychologically unstuck in time and is overwhelmed with visions of his past life. As he struggles to process the experience, Jhiaxus explains the plans with scientific relish to [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] as he dons a suit of armor, then orders [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] to join the battle in [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]. [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]], meanwhile, observes that Galvatron has some life in him yet...

Back in Iacon, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] radios [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] in the hopes she can get [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] to join the fight, but the Titan proves to need no persuasion, and rises to the task. As Metroplex engages the Ammonite horde, aboard the ''Lost Light'', Bumblebee and [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] assemble a team to head into Crystal City and take on Shockwave. They disembark the ship and meet with [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], who is a little surprised to see that Megatron's alliance with the Autobots is a legitimate one. A moment later, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] arrives with his own team, and explains that [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] can teleport them all into Crystal City; there is a little almost-good-natured back-and-forth trash-talk between everyone, including [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)|Metalhawk]]'s attempt to apologize for his actions post-resurrection, but all agree to leave proper arguments and discussions until all is said and done. With the appearance of Monstructor, a hesitant [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] is forced to once again combine with the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] into [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], providing cover for Bumblebee and Megatron's team to get away. Alas, Skywarp proves unable to teleport such a large group, so [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] decides to stay behind, as does [[Getaway]]. Starscream dismisses the altruism, but Soundwave agrees, and he and his cassettes also decide to remain behind. A blast clips Scoop just as the group teleports out...

...and reappears in the Crystal City cavern, where [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] immediately begins celebrating the fact he survived the jump... juuuuust before Bludgeon runs him through with his sword. Magnus, [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] and Brainstorm keep the Master of [[Metallikato]] busy while Megatron and Bumblebee search for Shockwave, and Metalhawk leads [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] and Starscream—still stunned over Scoop's actions—to Jhiaxus's ship. The trio are confronted by the master scientist himself, fully clad in what he calls his [[reactive armor]]. He mocks Metalhawk and how easy it was to control him after his resurrection, then turns his scorn on Starscream, who angrily opens fire on the scientist. Though the blast from Starscream's cannons is impressive, Jhiaxus's reactive armor absorbs it and shifts into a form that matches its power, mimicking Starscream's own.

Megatron and Bumblebee arrive in Shockwave's command chamber, where a hesitant Dreadwing tries to tough-talk them, only to be blasted by Megatron. They come upon the limp form of Galvatron, who admits what his actions have wrought and submits himself to Megatron's wrath, but Bumblebee tries to talk the Decepticon leader out of slaying him, reminding him of his past to convince him that killing is not the way forward. Megatron lowers his cannon... and Bumblebee's chest explodes as Shockwave shoots him through the back. Megatron races to his fallen ally's side, but it is too late: Bumblebee is dead. With a howl of rage, Megatron lunges at Shockwave, but his old subordinate is surging with the power of the chronal drive and his ores, and seems unbeatable...

As Magnus and Skids continue their battle with Bludgeon, the samurai warrior proves unimpressed with Skids's adaptive powers and demonstrates the superiority of his natural skill over the theoretician's mimicry. Magnus, too, falls, distracted by a cry from Brainstorm, who has collapsed in pain... as a swirling portal opens within his chest and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] and his team emerge through it!

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks. 
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*[[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] (7)
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (8)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (9)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slug]] (10)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (12)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (13)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (14)
*[[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] (15)
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (16)
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*[[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]] (20)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (21)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (22)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (23)
*[[Mainframe (G1)|Mainframe]] (24)
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (25)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]] (26)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (27)
*[[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] (35)
*[[Nautica]] (36)
*[[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] (37)
*[[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] (38)
*[[Windmill (G1)|Windmill]] (39)
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*[[Grotusque]] (41)
*[[Hosehead (G1)|Hosehead]] (43)
*[[Hurricane|Hurricane]] (44)
*[[Rumbler (G1)|Rumbler]] (45)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (46)
*[[Getaway]] (47)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (48)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (64)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] (69)
*[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] (70)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] (71)
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*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (11)
*[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] (29)
*[[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] (30)
*[[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] (32)
*[[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] (33)
*[[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] (34)
*[[Cutthroat (G1)|Cutthroat]] (42)
*[[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (49)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (50)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (51)
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (52)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (53)
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*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (60)
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*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (65)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (66)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (67)
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==Quotes==

"'''Windblade?''' It's '''Magnus'''. There's no easy way to say this, but—the universe is ending." 
"Uh-huh." 
"You took that very well." 
"Yes, well, it takes more than—wait, did you say the universe is ending? The '''universe''' is '''ending?''' What kind of a person starts a conversation like '''that?'''"
:—'''Ultra Magnus''' and '''Windblade'''

"On that note... everybody ready to—what's the phrase? <nowiki>'</nowiki>'''Roll on out'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>?"
:—'''Starscream'''

"Cybertron is in your hands, Megatron. '''Ravage'''—my friends—" 
"Yeah, yeah, I '''get''' it. We're '''with''' you... just tell 'em '''some cassettes''' sent you, okay?"
:—'''Soundwave''' and '''Ravage'''

"He's given up, Megatron. '''Leave it.'''" 
"He ripped me in half." 
"And in return you're going to '''kill''' him? Is that how your world works? Each blow invites a bullet? Each death answered by '''ten'''? Because look where it's got you. Look where it's got '''all''' of us. All those years ago, when you dreamed of a life outside of the energon mines—is '''this''' what you wanted to become? The type of person who would rather '''kill''' than '''not kill'''?" 
"He's '''your''' enemy as much as mine." 
"Good, bad, friends, enemies... if there's one thing I've learned since '''Metalhawk''' and the others came home, it's that the world's a lot more '''complicated''' than that—and so are '''you.''' So let him live—let him '''join us'''." 
''(Megatron relents and offers Galvatron his hand.)'' 
"See? We're stronger together than apart."
:—'''Bumblebee'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s last words to '''Megatron'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*The first page of this issue is set concurrently with the early stages of [[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|''More than Meets the Eye'' #1]], prior to the launch of the ''Lost Light''. The news report playing in the background is Rodimus's speech from the first page of that issue.
*Hardhead is playing about with Brainstorm's security pass, also seen in ''More than Meets the Eye'' #1. He's evidently just heat-activated the [[rubsign]] on it.
*The launch site of the ''Lost Light'' (and the [[Ark (G1)|Ark-1]] before it) is revealed to be [[Rivets Field]], the hot spot named as the birthplace of [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] in ''More than Meets the Eye'' [[Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|#21]].
*The [[cyberwraith]] that played a key role back in [[Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Chapter 2]] can be spotted on Brainstorm's workbench, while the scientist's ever-mysterious [[briefcast]] can ''just'' about be seen behind some speech bubbles, under glass in a compartment on the wall behind him.
*Nova Prime's body appears here following his apparent death in ''[[Spotlight: Sideswipe]]'', still in his "Nemesis Prime" color scheme. It's never been explained until now how Nova went from this death to his reappearance in ''[[The Transformers: Heart of Darkness|Heart of Darkness]]''; his essence returned to the Dead Universe following the expiry of his physical shell.
*Brainstorm is revealed to have been "killed" by the Dead Universe, and has been in an undead state for the entirety of his involvement in ''More than Meets the Eye''. This is why the life-consuming [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]] ignored him when he was confronted by it waaaay back in ''More than Meets the Eye'' [[Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|#3]]; slyly alluding to Brainstorm's living-dead state two years ahead of this revelation, the scene even had Skids remark that he was "already dead".
*Even slier, recall Brainstorm's reluctance to go into the Dead Universe back in [[Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Chapter 2]], evidently knowing the risks to him if he did.
*For maximum slyness, back in [[No Exit: Dark Cybertron Chapter 6|Chapter 6]], when a life signature reading was taken of the [[Rodpod]] and Metroplex, eight signs were detected, which the issue intimated consisted of one for each of the seven 'bots in the pod (including Brainstorm), and a stowaway Ammonite that the crew mistakenly thought was Metroplex. But Metroplex turned out to be alive, so that left a signature missing... ol' dead Brainstorm.
*Bumblebee has removed the protective faceplate from his new body, which we first learned he could do back in [[Finest Hour: Dark Cybertron Chapter 5|Chapter 5]]; whether by coincidence or design, this makes him look close (but not identical) to [[TakaraTomy]]'s "Bumblebee Goldbug" version of the Goldfire toy, which retained the original Bumblebee head.
*Ultra Magnus lets out a good old fashioned "Hell's bells!" thereby continuing his predilection for quaint expletives that began in [[Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|Chapter 3]].
* On page 9, Grotusque's distinctive form can be seen among the fighting bots. Whether this is an outright error or a retcon of his apparent death in "[[Chaos Part One: Lamentations|Lamentations]]" remains to be seen.
*As Shockwave integrates the chronal drive into his body, he is assailed with a series of visions from throughout his life, showing us scenes of his friendship with Orion Pax, his undergoing [[Shadowplay]] and [[Empurata]], and his first meeting with Megatron; all newly-drawn by Griffith, but previously seen in, and with dialogue lifted from, "[[Chaos Theory Part 2|Chaos Theory]]", the [[Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|"Shadowplay" trilogy]], and [[Shockpoint|''Robots in Disguise'' #22]].
*We learned last chapter that all those turned by the Dead Universe have portals that link the worlds within them; at the time that seemed like it was merely intended to serve as an explanation for why Kup had a portal within him earlier in the story, but is now revealed to have been foreshadowing for the appearance of the portal within Brainstorm through which Prime's team emerge. That also makes it implicit that the "singing" the team heard while in the Dead Universe last chapter was the singing going on in [[Swerve's]], echoing through the portal in Brainstorm.

===Transformers references===
*Jetfire appears with the design of his upcoming new ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Leader-class figure.
*Stabbed by Bludgeon, Waspinator crumples and plaintively wonders why the universe hates him, repeating the famous character-defining quote he originally coined in the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode "[[Deep Metal]]".
*When attacked by Starscream, Jhiaxus's reactive armor adopts the shape of Starscream's new body in an orange-and-white color scheme—this, of course, being what Jhiaxus's new ''Generations'' figure looks like. Or rather, ''sort of'' looks like—the color layout is different, and he appears without any of the mold changes the toy has that distinguish it from Starscream.

===Errors===
*Continuing the artistic error of the previous chapter, Bumblebee's new "Goldfire" body appears with design cues from the original comic design that were not part of the toy, when all previous appearances of the body have adhered to the toy design.
*During Shockwave's out-of-time experience (pages 6-7), the second word balloon ("Yes, yes... but... I planted a seed") should be tailless, as that line was not spoken at the same time and place as what the accompanying panel depicts.
*Hook is with the Decepticons on page 13, despite having combined into Devastator on the previous page; he's apparently been drawn in place of Scoop, who's missing from this panel.
*On page 14, Starscream says, "He's going get himself killed!" Presumably, there was supposed to be a "to" in there.
*On page 19, Galvatron calls Dreadwing "Dreadwin''d''".
* The constructicons and Prowl form Devastator to fight Monstructor, however the last time we saw this combination Prowl decapitated it, yet it has a head here. Unless Prowl can grow new heads it seems a bit weird.

===Trivia===
*Artist breakdown: All Andrew Griffith, all the time, baby!
*The idea of "Dark Cybertron" Jiminez/Fajardo covers corresponding to the toy they come with as gone right out the window over the last three issues, and this one's no different with [[Legends Class]] Cosmos taking the spotlight.
*Bumblebee's death was accidentally blown by the preview of Chapter 12 released through iTunes the week prior to this issue's release; although it had been cut down to only one page instead of the normal three to avoid any in-story spoilers, unfortunately, the ''recap'' page and its detailing of 'Bee's departure was ''not'' removed.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' A burning Autobot symbol forewarns of the "Death of a Hero", by [[Casey Coller]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
*'''Sub cover:''' Cosmos by [[Phil Jimenez]] and [[Romulo Fajardo Jr.]]
*'''Cover RI:''' Bludgeon by [[Marcelo Matere]] and [[Priscilla Tramontano]]
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Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1

2014-03-24T07:22:46Z

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'''While Orion Pax's team joins up with the ''Lost Light'' crew, Shockwave unleashes his undead Metrotitan on Cybertron.'''

==Synopsis==

''Six million years ago, the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark-1]]'' comes upon a mysterious swirling vortex on the fringes of the [[Benzuli Expanse]]. [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] is left baffled by the cosmic anomaly, but [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] is reminded of a legend that spoke of a parallel reality of unlife—a [[Dead Universe]]. Jhiaxus scoffs at the superstitious notion, but there is no denying that whatever the vortex is, it is indeed a gateway to another universe. At [[Nova Prime]]'s command, [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] sets the ship on a course toward the anomaly, but as it grows near, the anomaly reaches out and begins to pull the ship in. Nova Prime remains calm, but a distressed Jhiaxus quickly beams a final message back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], to his student [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]], urging him to carry on his work...''

In the present day, beneath the surface of Cybertron in [[Crystal City]], Shockwave gloats over the imminent fruition of long-germinating plans. Jhiaxus, reporting in from the vicinity of [[Gorlam Prime]], lets Shockwave know that the [[Necrotitan|Metrotitan]] awoken on the planet by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]] is presently in mid-teleport to Cybertron, guided by [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], while [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]], at Shockwave's side, reports on the energy fluctuations that herald the Titan's arrival. As the colossal Transformer materializes, the [[Ore-2]] in its body begins to react with the [[Ore-14]] that lines the cavern walls, and the giant howls in agony.

In [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], a worried [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] interrupts [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]] with some news, while the former Decepticon is busy familiarizing himself with his new body. Before Rattrap can share his fears, though, Starscream sees the source of his concern for himself: the sun, which had apparently risen some time ago, has not moved from its position in the sky since Starscream last saw it. Realizing that dawn is, in fact, hours away, Starscream scans the mysterious ball of light, and with a suspicion that he recognizes its energy signature growing, has Rattrap put in a call to the ''[[Lost Light]]''.

In the vicinity of Gorlam Prime, Orion Pax and his team aboard Pax's ship the ''[[Skyroller]]'' struggle to escape the gravity well of the collapsing planet as the expanding Ore-2 destroys it. Fortunately, responding to a distress call put out by Pax, the ''Lost Light'' [[quantum jump]]s onto the scene directly overhead. The ''Skyroller'' docks with the larger ship—which easily outpaces the pull of Gorlam Prime's collapse—and Pax's team are welcomed on board by [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]], who, it turns out, specifically responded to the distress call because it was warning him ''away''. As members of the two crews quietly comment on how ''weird'' the others are, and [[Garnak]] has a happy reunion with his old captain Rodimus, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] inquires if Orion will be taking command of their ship. Orion haltingly confirms that he won't, and asks for a tour of the ''Lost Light'' instead; this takes the group to the bridge just as Starscream's transmission comes through. Studying the readings Starscream provides, Cyclonus confirms his fears: the light in the sky over Cybertron is a portal to the Dead Universe.

Back on Cybertron, [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]], [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] venture closer to the mysterious light, in which Arcee can sense Jhiaxus's hand. The Dinobots roar ahead into action despite the presence of no visible enemy to battle, but just as Prowl is starting to come around to their viewpoint, the ground beneath the Autobots' feet quakes... and the Metrotitan emerges, transformed by the fusion of ores into an undead behemoth!

A vision of the future assails Shockwave: he sees Galvatron battling [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]... Starscream disintegrating... Rodimus being crushed... [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] in chains... [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]]... the ''Lost Light'' crashing... and Orion Pax staring down... himself? Though he reels from this premonition, Shockwave rights himself as Dreadwing continues to provide updates, informing him that the Metrotitan is functioning as a "conduit", but that a complication has arisen. This seems of little import to Shockwave—as does Dreadwing's disrespectful tone, which Waspinator chides him for—as he turns instead to bow deeply before a viewscreen that delivers a transmission from the other side of the Metrotitan's link: Nova Prime and Galvatron yet survive within the Dead Universe, and soon they will return to conquer ''all'' universes!

==Featured characters==
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*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (20)
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*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (23)
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==Quotes==

"Hey Pax—your distress call was so '''epic''' I've got it as my ringtone."
:—'''Swerve'''

"You remember last year, when Rodimus gave his big speech about a quest to find the '''Knights of Cybertron?''' I was '''this''' close to signing up." 
"''Made-up knights impossible to '''find'''—and so you decided to stay '''behind'''.''" 
"No... I made the mistake of looking at the '''crew manifest.''' Rodimus has got some '''reeeeeal''' weirdos on board..."
:—'''Hardhead''' and '''Wheelie'''

"...And this is where we spend most of our time, fine-tuning strategy, reflecting on our progress to date... and debating the pedagogical constraints of logic, grammar, and rhetoric." 
... 
"Has someone been '''drawing''' on the navicomp?"
:—'''Ultra Magnus'''

"'''Ironhide''', keep your '''lunkheads''' in line." 
"They ain't lunkheads, '''Prowl''', they're just '''brave'''." 
"Most lunkheads are."
:—'''Prowl''' and '''Ironhide''' on the Dinobots

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*The Ark's approach to the Benzuli Expanse anomaly was previously seen in ''[[Spotlight: Galvatron]]''. That issue gets a bit of a soft retcon here; it implied that Galvatron had sent the Ark-1 into the anomaly of his own accord, but here we see Nova Prime order him to set their course. The setting is also different - here, Galvatron is shown at the helm surrounded by the bridge officers, but there he was shown alone at a side console.
*Tailpipe was revealed to be among the crew of the Ark-1 in ''[[Cybertronian Homesick Blues|More than Meets the Eye'' #13]].
*It wasn't clear if the presence of an Autobot symbol on Blurr's chest was an error when he last appeared in [[Three Monologues|''Robots in Disguise'' #20]], but that puzzle seems to have been solved with this issue as it's now gone.
*The mysterious "sunrise" appeared at the end of ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Second Exodus|#18]], [[Three Monologues|#20]] and [[Soundwaves (issue)|#22]].
*Orion Pax and company are escaping Gorlam Prime directly following on from the end of ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Homecoming (IDW)|#19]].
*We join the ''Lost Light'' after the ship's departure from [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]] in ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|#21]]; Rodimus notes that they're looking for [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]], who they met in the earlier-set [[Little Victories|issue #22]] - presumably because, with the destruction of their Matrix-half/map in #21, they have no way to search for the Knights of Cybertron.
*Garnak served under Rodimus in the "Space Opera" storyline that ran from issues [[Space Opera Part 1: The Stars My Destination|#19]] to [[Space Opera—Final Tableaux: Orphans of the Helix|#21]] of the [[The Transformers (IDW)|2009-2011 ongoing series]].
*The ''Lost Light'' and Starscream previously made contact with each other in "[[The Sound of Breaking Glass]]", the prose back-up story in ''More than Meets the Eye'' #21.
*Nova Prime last appeared in ''[[The Transformers: Heart of Darkness|Heart of Darkness]]'' [[Heart of Darkness issue 4|#4]], in which he was reanimated by [[D-Void]] and last seen being forced back through a portal to the Dead Universe. Likewise, Galvatron's last appearance—in [[Chaos Part Four: Genesis|issue #30]] of the ongoing series—saw him disintegrate when a portal to the Dead Universe began to open before him. These two have historically not gotten along too well; Galvatron turned on Nova back in "[[Spotlight: Sideswipe|Revelation]]", and Nova battled Galvatron at D-Void's command in ''Heart of Darkness''. With the destruction of D-Void and it's [[Darkness (G1)|Heart of Darkness]] in "[[Chaos (IDW)|Chaos]]", however, it seems this pair have been freed of the dark lusts that have pit them against each other in the past—perhaps most obviously evinced by the fact that Nova Prime has dropped the "Nemesis Prime" moniker he went by after taking the Darkness into himself and reverted back to his original color scheme.

===Transformers references===
*Tailpipe is based on the [[Tailpipe (DOTM)|''Dark of the Moon'' character of the same name]].
*Rattrap professes to have a "ninth sense", the way a human would claim to have a sixth. This seems to hearken back to the "standard seven senses" that Transformers are constructed with (according to [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]]'s profile in [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]]s [[The Transformers Universe|''Transformers Universe'']]), but that would mean there's an eighth going unmentioned. This could be taste, something most Transformers are shown to have nowadays, as it is not listed among the seven. Also Bumblebee claimed to have ''nine'' senses, in Marvel UK's [[Dinobot Hunt!]], perhaps suggesting a degree of variation between individuals.
*Starscream's new body is, of course, the new ''[[Transformers: Generations]]'' toy based on [[Starscream (Armada)|''Armada'' Starscream]].
*The first panel of page 10 homages panel 2, page 22 of ''[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime]]''.

===Real-world references===
*Rattrap describes himself as a "stainless steel rat", after the title of the 1961 [[Wikipedia:The Stainless Steel Rat|Harry Harrison novel]]. The same reference was also made in the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode "[[The Agenda (Part III)]]".
*Whirl describes Cyclonus as "sworn to reject a world that hates and fears him." A very similar turn of phrase, "sworn to '''protect''' a world that hates and fears them," has been commonly used by Marvel Comics' X-Men books for the past few decades.

===Errors===
*The Metrotitan's color scheme has changed from the white, orange and blue deco it had in ''Robots in Disguise'' #19 to a desaturated white, blue and magenta, as a result of Andrew Griffth's mistaken belief when designing the character prior to the story that it was supposed to be the [[Crystal City Metrotitan|same Titan]] that appeared in the [[Primus: All Good Things|''Robots in Disguise'' 2012 annual]], which had those colors. Though similar to the colors of ''the'' [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] from ''[[Transformers: Zone (franchise)|Zone]]'', this wasn't intended to mark them as the same character.
* The Metrotitian already arrived back in Shockwaves to a different piece of Shockwaves dialogue, making its appearance here confusing at best

===Trivia===
* The inside-front cover of an IDW Transformers comic normally contains a "previously" text blurb, credits and a list of variant covers, but for this one-shot special, the "previously" section is expanded to two full pages, and is made up of re-used artwork from '''Robots in Disguise'' [[Shockwaves|#17]], #18, #19, and [[Soundwaves (issue)|#22]], and ''More than Meets the Eye'' #21 and #22. The credits and cover list come on page 3.
* While the Metrotitan's transformation into an undead horror seems like it's a reference to the old [[fandom]] misconception that ''Zone'' Metrotitan was a [[zombie]], it's actually a total coincidence.
* This issue's story is followed by a "Roll Call" page listing off the major players, a checklist of issues for the full "Dark Cybertron" event, and a "Thank You" to the VIP Attendees who visited the IDW studios at [[BotCon 2013]].
* In the "Roll Call" segment, Slag's name is given as "Slug", the controversy-dodging alternate name given to the character's [[Slug (FOC)|Aligned continuity counterpart]]. Whether this change bleeds over into the story itself remains to be seen...
* Two weeks after this issue's publication, a stitch-bound "Deluxe Edition" was released. This version omits the "previously on" section, the "Roll Call", the "Thank You" and all adverts, and instead includes a 26-page supplementary section that showcases Phil Jiminez's thumbnail layouts for the issue next to Andrew Griffith's finished lineart, along with design sketches and alternate compositions, complete with commentary from Barber, Roberts, Jiminez, Griffith, Shearer and Guzman.

===Covers (6)===
*'''Regular cover:''' Orion Pax, Rodimus and Bumblebee charge forward, at the fore of a collage of characters from the story with Shockwave looming over all, by [[Phil Jimenez]] and [[Romulo Fajardo Jr.]]
*'''Sub cover:''' Shockwave's shadow is cast across Cybertron in front of a montage of the cast, by [[Casey Coller]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]. Retailers could order as many of this variant as they wished, with the notional intent that it only be available to customers with in-store subscriptions to the book.
*'''Cover RIA:''' Starscream in his new body, by Jiminez and Fajardo Jr.
*'''Cover RIB:''' Blank white cover for hand-drawn sketches by [[Andrew Griffith]]. The example sketch used to illustrate the cover in this issue's checklist is one of [[Flatline (G1)|Flatline]], drawn for fan [http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11401359/ Jasmine "Jazzfox" Smith] at [[Unofficial conventions|Auto Assembly 2013]].
*'''Cover RE:''' Orion Pax in an homage to [http://www.comics.org/issue/47738/ ''New Mutants'' #87], by [[Rob Liefeld]], who drew the original cover being homaged, with colors by Fajardo Jr. Available exclusively at [http://vacomicon.com/ Virginia Comicon] 2013.
*'''Deluxe Edition''': Embossed version of the regular cover with a foil-stamped logo

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==Paxs ship==

Can I ask what splash page you're on about? The one of him exiting the ship doesn't even show his feet? Also, the shadow clearly shows he's below the ship.

==Things to say to you==
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Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.
: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do I get the feeling that guy has been permanently banned?[[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, an Encyclopedia Dramatica troll. No need to be so harsh on Walky. I, too, like the Baybots, and, I happen to like Bionicle. Also, his Webcomic is one of my favorites. So, if you have nothing nice to say, never ever EVER come back here.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==BANNED==

What the hell did I do to warrant a ban, exactly? As far as I'm aware, I don't even think I broke any rules, and if I did, an official warning would be appropriate. I received no such warning. I was not here for trolling and you know that - you use that bullshit excuse to get people to ignore arguments you can't handle. But you, personally, who made this decision, know I'm not a troll.

This is fucking low. I had little enough respect for you down to your ranting against the fanbase, Willis, but this is a whole new level of buggery. If you're going to use your comic to rant against and discredit people you don't like, the least you can do is suck it up when people rant at you back, and not act like a control-freak child.

I really don't think you're aware of your own actions anymore.
*Do the words [[Wikipedia:WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] mean anything to you? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Do the words "warning before ban" mean anything to you? Rulemongering doesn't justify a decision anyway, since Walky is one of the people making the rules. There were plenty of personal attacks leveled at me, but I did not report them officially.

::I really find it hard to believe that you think it's completely on a rational level of discourse to claim that the comic strip I draw is about child pornography. If I'm not mistaken about your identity, you've been banned from almost every single Transformers web board you've had an acquaintance with, and I'm only doing this place a favor by getting rid of you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::: That's not an excuse. I will openly admit I HAVE been banned from several forums, but only because I repeatedly opposed the staff on each and every one of them; and with good cause, they all have roughly the same problem. People bully others either into liking the movie or to agree with the kind of views you promote - and since nobody can directly attack or discredit anyone, these people(and you are) are left to their methods.
::: For your current decision to be validated, the admins of those boards, boards which are influenced in turn by your anti-fan attitude, would have to be near 100% correct in their decisions, and those decisions would have to occur within a context that would map exactly onto here. Any rational moderator does not base their decisions so much off performance on other boards, especially when it's not even a messageboard they're operating. Two different media. I have openly said I despise all active Transformers boards for their level of authoritarianism, yet level of tolerance towards the pushing of certain viewpoints.

::: Not to mention that you're still operating under the fallacy of Appeal to Majority - that alone means I shouldn't really even have to counter you.

::: And don't even use the "CHILD PORNOGRAPHY" thing as an excuse. Again, any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban, I personally reversed that edit even though it was obviously intended to be a joke as anyone reading this knows what pile'o'bile already is. You have no justification for what you did, but your ego is too big to realise you can actually do wrong with your power. You'll never admit it, but I wouldn't be surprised if some part of you is pissed that I defeated some of your ramblings, whether they were directly written by you or encouraged by you, it's still the kind of guff you normally blew, and I managed to defeat it. You, and the mods of the big sites will always have your ban buttons - but you will NEVER be able to justify your actions to me. That's how I know that I'm in the right, at least in situations like this - solidly backed justification is almost always absent.
:::: Personal attacks + deleting comments in response to you = banno --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:::: P.S. Sign your posts. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:36, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: I have never intentionally deleted comments in response to me. I just moved one recently as it was in the middle of a paragraph of text. Not to mention that happened after you banned my original IP. Personal attacks alone are not grounds enough for a ban, especially when you're doing an awful, awful lot to be mercilessly torn into.
Need I point out that once again, you are unable to defend yourself properly? When does the "You're insane?" come? Ganging up of all your little friends since a majority always means you're right?
Do you even realise what a fascist shithead you sound like? Just because you're an admin of a place doesn't give you a free pass to be a dick with it. There's a difference between what you can do and what you should do that you don't seem to have learned yet. [[User:67.159.44.88|67.159.44.88]]

: YOU BAN PEOPLE BECAUSE ****YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE

TRUTH****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111twelve FUCKING FASCIST PIGCOP NAZI WIKIPEDO '''ASSHOLE''' [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:: My gosh, now that I have seen someone mock the notion, it MUST be untrue. Please, where can I learn these 1337 debating skills?

:::Dude, I've been banned from twice as many forums as you, guaranfuckingteed, but they still let me post here because I'm not as goddamn retarded as you are. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:34, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: And can you demonstrate exactly how I'm more retarded than you? Or are you just, Walky style, dropping weighted terms to discredit someone's point of view without even trying?

:::::1. Hoop doesn't delete other people's comments on talk pages. 2. He actually signs his posts, which you've been asked to do many times, but haven't caught on. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I didn't delete anything. If I did, it was an accident because someone posted right in the middle of text it wasn't meant to be in the middle of. Not signing my posts doesn't make me retarded since it's blatant when I'm saying something. --[[User:67.159.44.88]]

Actually - come to think of it, you make fun of the idea that anyone running a site can be Nazi, yet you still mention you got banned from many forums. Does that perhaps mean that you genuinely got banned for being an asshole and not opposing the staff/local clique like I did?

:''any rational moderator would warn several times before a ban''
:Not true, some things are auto-ban. I don't think you ''did'' any of them, but I'm just saying.
:Dude- you got an expedited ban because you showed no signs of contrition, argued every point, used personal insults, refused to sign your posts even when '''repeatedly asked to''' (I had to go back into history and dig out which incoherent chunks of text where yours, because the posts weren't hierarchied properly so the debate was really hard to follow. This is why signin posts is important dumbfuck.)
:And ultimately you got banned because you were making a major nuisance of yourself in ''without'' any correlating '''contribution''' to justify keeping you around. You're a negative. You edited 3 articles- Fandom, Shortpacking and Ruined Forever- and ''all' of those edits got reverted because they either flames or crappy jokes that make the articles ''worse''. Even if I were to (generously) believe you didn't intend to start a fight, you picked the 3 flamebaitiest articles you could find and masturbated across them. ''Allah forfend'' you should write an ''episode summary'' or something.
:Unrelated- Walky can Talk:Fandom be semi-protected instead of full? Loserbot isn't registered. -[[User:Derik|Derik]]01:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

==On an unrelated note: Thank you.==
I know this is an odd place to say it, but I figured if I only said it once, it wouldn't be a bother so here goes: Thank You. Shortpacked is hilarious, and when not laughing, I'm agreeing with alot of the statements the main character makes. (and feeling like I was the only one who noticed some of them, like the one about General Discussions.) I also noticed your a Hot Shot fan, which is also awesome. I also noticed its due to the efforts of you and other people here that the move was made from Wikia to Tfwiki, which was a good idea so I also want to say a long overdue thank you for doing that as well, and finally: thanks for doing what you can for this site, because without this site, I'd be out of the loops on Club Exclusive things, and other Misc. Transformers related content. I go here frequently for information (or lolz) and I'm quite sure not only me but many others are grateful to you and all others who help contribute to this place.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
:Thanks, and we do our best! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:08, 4 January 2010 (EST)
I love it too. Ive been going through the archives and im up to the part where amber gets a bit of a makeover and ive loved every second of it --[[User:Mrgalvaprime|Mrgalvaprime]] 17:25, 14 January 2012 (EST)
only webcomic I read daily.--
[[User:Mojotron|Mojotron]]

==Tulsa, Oklahoma==
Sorry to bother you (I tried to avoid saying something again sense I already did the 'Thank you' earlier, but I HAD to ask about this). Had nothing better to do so I've been reading shortpacked's full archive beginning to end today. (Well I'm currently on July 6 2009 to be fair) and I noticed something that I just HAD to ask about. I've noticed once you mentioned Oklahoma. I ignored it the first time but then later you said "Tulsa". Now you got me curious, because I live in Tulsa and thus wondered what made you decide to choose to mention here of all places, sense basically nothing ever happens here. (Aside from the occasional Convention and the recent BOK center. Granted I may be moving to Florida in a few years..I really hope so. Been here my whole life and its boring) Just thought I'd ask, before curiosity drove me nuts. Keep up the good work on the comic, peace.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

EDIT: haha on second thought..maybe I should've said this at Walkypedia..or do you even go there? (I'd assume you do.) Oh well, my mistake I guess. Hope you'll still answer my question regardless. lol--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== WfC Starscream ==

You said: "We revert that back to Starscream every time you change it for a reason."
:Well that's just great since that is my first contribution to that page. And the picture itself says Skywarp so I was just making both consistent. I'll change the pic to Starscream as well.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 11:22, 14 January 2010 (EST)
:: Ah, sorry. Got you confused with Blackout, who was also changing it to Skywarp. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:28, 14 January 2010 (EST)
::: No prob. Just re-uploaded the image with starscream in the name rather than skywarp. The old one now has the delete tag. Thanks. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 11:33, 14 January 2010 (EST)

== Quick Report ==

More vandalism, on Nekomimi A/B, section animated..I think? caption didn't seem right..
I heard you're supposed to report to an Admin, right?
-[[User:SlamBolt|Danny LeFox]] 23:37, 20 January 2010 (EST)
: The caption is okay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:10, 21 January 2010 (EST)

== Independent Wikis ==
Hello Walky. This is Archaic, webmaster of Pokémon fansite Bulbagarden, and its associated wiki Bulbapedia. I sent you an email about 2 weeks ago (to the address linked on both your webcomics) regarding an idea I've recently been playing around with of a co-operative of independent wikis. I understand that you've been rather busy recently, so I just wanted to check if you had received that email or not, and if you might be interested in contributing your thoughts to the matter? --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 20:24, 25 January 2010 (EST)
: I did receive it! I'm sorry for not answering swiftly. Our answer depends on how much interaction you are looking for. Part of the appeal of leaving Wikia was breaking free of the mandatory link chain to "related wikis" that they put at the bottom of our frontpage. Our frontpage is now our own. That's not something I think we're interested in. We are, though, all in favor of people starting up their own wikis instead of depending on those lying Wikia assmongers. (to coin a phrase) But, I can't speak for the people here who help maintain this wiki and how much they would be willing to lend a hand. So, uh, the answer to your question at the moment is: "I don't know?" Um. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:47, 25 January 2010 (EST)
::Heh, no worries. We're all fairly busy at this time of year. For now, we're going full steam ahead with a limited version of this idea, focusing specifically on wikis linked to Nintendo franchises, which we're likely to launch within a couple of weeks. Perhaps it might be easiest if I'm able to show you what we're doing there? While we're doing quite a bit of integration between the partner wikis for this limited network, I'd imagine that any more general grouping of independent wikis would have to be a lot less so, if only for logistical reasons. As I mentioned in the email, it's all fairly up in the air right now. A lot of brainstorming, but not a lot of actual action at this point. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 15:15, 26 January 2010 (EST)
:::If I may weigh in... basically, while I wager most (if not all) of us are individually supportive of any wikis that break free of Wikia, when it comes to linking on this wiki we generally only stick to links that add information to our articles, such as TFU.info, Marvel Universe TF profiles, Wookieepedia and GI Joe sites for Star Wars and GI Joe crossovers, etc. So unless there's some crossover connection between Pokemon and TF that we missed, I don't see that we can help, because we don't have anything that would need a link to your wiki. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:35, 26 January 2010 (EST)
::::What, not even with that page you have on Pokéformers? ;) Seriously though, I think you might have misunderstood what I was suggesting. I'm not looking at a 2-way affiliation or link here. Instead, what I've been investigating is much closer to what Walky has in Blank Label Comics for his webcomics. An alliance of wikis united by a common purpose. Exactly how far one would take that is the real question. I certainly wouldn't expect a link to every wiki in such a network on the front page of any wiki in it. As you've rightly pointed out, you value the independence you've regained after breaking from Wikia, and any such network would have to be very careful to maintain that for all sites while still offering something meaningful. *shrugs* Like I said, all very much pie-in-the-sky kind of vague ideas right now, just exploring possibilities. --[[User:Archaic|Archaic]] 20:47, 26 January 2010 (EST)

:::::I don't know if you've heard, but wikia has decided to make a change (mandatorily!) that is 100 times worse than what drove you guys to a new server. I am interested in finding info on how you guys actually performed your move, and what would need to be done before, during, and after to make it work. If you could give me even a link (so that I can show others), that would be hugely helpful.
:::::If you could message me on my wikia talk page (yes, I know), that would be most appreciated. Thanks![[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 10:18, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

==Yeaaaaaaaah==
:: ''Hey, were you the [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Tales_of_the_Fallen_issue_5&diff=414380&oldid=413827 guy who called a dude a schmuck for no real reason], and so then he [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/593224.html?thread=14980936#t14980936 quit this wiki] because he was treated like shit? You don't get a vote. Especially since you think Florida and Cuba are separated by a friggin' river. (Anyway, I vote against rhyming in the Headmasters section.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)''
Yes because he was considering the entry was as bare and snarky as possible (You're hardly the soul of discretion all the time yourself sir) . And remarkably, being from a good distance across the planet, I don't know where everything is situated on that side of the world so the assumption of he ran into a river instead of the atlantic ocean, while my own fault I'll admit, is fairly understandable. But if I'm not aloud to voice my opinion cause a guy you don't know told you something about another guy you don't know, then tell me now please, save me trying to vote on something again. (I'm being completely serious by the way, if that's the case, I want to know). All the best. [[User:Eire]] 01.33 Feb 09 2010 (UTC)
::: When your opinion is "the guy who created this page is a schmuck," then you're probably going to get some flak for said opinion. It's not like the page was horribly put together. It was just abbreviated and snarky. It wasn't called for. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:52, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Guess who's back..... ==

[[User:Masterman666]]
--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:45, 11 February 2010 (EST)
: Remind me who he is, again? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:54, 11 February 2010 (EST)
::[[User:Masterman555]]. Banned for flaming and using a sockpuppet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:01, 11 February 2010 (EST)
:::Then bye-bye, then! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:15, 11 February 2010 (EST)

== Breakaway image caption ==

Isn't Topspin the one with no personality? (Or was it a ref to Breakaway being Mister Likes-Everyone-Nice-Guy?) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:13, 11 February 2010 (EST)
: Topspin doesn't like being used, and ripped Kickback's spark out of him in angry fury. That's more than Breakaway ever emoted. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:16, 11 February 2010 (EST)
::Plus, his utter devotion to Alpha Trion was also more characterization than Breakaway got. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:19, 11 February 2010 (EST)
:::Fair enough... it's just that since Topspin was always the one with the "No personality" cracks in his page (and the one who's profile specifically says he's had his personality and will crushed out) it seemed potentially out of place, so I figured I'd ask.
:::(Personally I admit I wouldn't claim Breakaway (who did a fair bit of pep-talking everyone) has no personality any more than Heatwave, who's equally easy-going, friendly, and optimistic, can be said to not have one, but I was more checking for possible mistakes than taste...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:47, 11 February 2010 (EST)

== RE: Divebomb ==
Hup, my bad. Thanks for catching that! [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 11:06, 22 February 2010 (EST)

== Red Alert image ==
Thanks for color correcting it, looks much better. My desktop bit the dust last week, and my netbook chokes on photoshop. [[User:Kookaburra|Kookaburra]] 01:22, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

==Mainpage logos==
I'm shocked you haven't put up BC Breakdown yet. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:34, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
:I just put up *a* Breakdown. Really, I'd prefer to stick to art rather than toy images. Spark was an adrenaline rush exception. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:34, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

== I can't think of a suitable title to put here right now..... ==

[[Special:Log/block&page=User:Jeysie|This seems rather uncalled for.]]

Thank you for your attention. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:38, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
: Maybe you should have brought it up during the twenty-four hours in which she was banned, and not like a few minutes before it expired. And it was certainly called for, considering the disrespect she was showing other users. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:15, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::You called her a bitch. Was that not disrespectful as well? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:43, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::I think that was just me making an obvious point about her having talk page conversations ''entirely about other posters''. As usual, I make my points through sarcasm. Jeysie wasn't being sarcastic or trying to illustrate a greater point when she told me to stop "mouthing off." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:21, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::I'm not upset about being banned. What I am upset about is that the reason it's so irritating trying to have a conversation with you is that you are constantly responding to people trying to make reasonable points with mocking rude responses, often ones that illustrate that the point was missed. So, I don't like ''your'' disrespectful attitude any more than you like mine.
:::Considering you actually make good points on the few occasions you turn off the mocking attitude and take the time to understand the points being made, it'd make dealing with you a whole lot less frustrating if you'd keep the attitude turned off all the time. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:57, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Ahahaha Jeysie is telling me to stop having a mocking attitude! I will mark that on my Jeysie-is-condescending calendar OH WAIT THERE IS NO ROOM --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:21, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::Can we stop this? Both of you? You're both highly devoted editors to this wiki and we don't need a long lasting feud. Pretty Please? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 17:28, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::The kids don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.... --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:36, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::Seconded. This is time and energy better spent on working on articles, and I've seen enough from both of you to know that it would benefit the wiki greatly if you did that. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 17:40, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::::If Walky drops the attitude problem, there won't ''be'' a feud, because I'll have nothing to comment on to him, which will make me very happy.
:::::::The only reason I say anything at all is because I'm tired of his attitude always making trying to discuss something on the wiki a stressful chore instead of something productive. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:44, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::::This is silly. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:48, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Response to Walky: Maybe you're not aware, but I am on a different continent than you are. Different continent = different time zone = inability to respond at the same time as you Americans. And don't even TRY to shift the blame. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:07, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

==New bot==
Can I get a bot tag for [[User:DNAVI]] please? abates said you were the man for the job. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 02:25, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

== Regarding TG Studios and the guy you banned ==

[[Talk:TG Studios|You may want to check this out.]] --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:33, 29 April 2010 (EDT)

Can you make Timelines sharkticon on wirte and put on a image ?

== Squiggles! ==

If by "squiggles", you mean "Japanese", toss me a copy of that translation, eh, my fine fellow? For the annotations, don'tcha know! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:30, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
: In the filecard for Primal Major and Alpha Supreme, Maggie translated the two non-English characters at the end of it, which mean "Shanghai." That's all she's done (per my specific request), so I don't have anything else to tell you. :) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:35, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Ahh, that's still cool! I wouldn't have figured it out on my own! I have spotted at least one or two other bits of Japanese in there and was going to pester Spengler about them anyway. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:40, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== King Starscream's bounty ==

So, do I get it if I turn myself in? - [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 12:55, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== Look! ==

You suck! Along with most of the other administartors on this wiki. I can't believe you treat people the way you do. I've been watching for a while, and I will tell you, that you're just an asshole! Why don't you grow up, and quit being a dick to everyone! Banning people for ridiculous reasons! Telling people their work is shit! In fact, I created this account just to confront you! GROW UP AND QUIT BEING A DICK! YOU"RE AN ASSHOLE! {{unsigned|Generations123|17:32, 11 August 2010 (EDT)}}
:The irony is staggering. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:40, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
:: I think this guy deserves a Shortpacked! comic in his honor.--[[Special:Contributions/65.11.250.113|65.11.250.113]] 19:26, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== My sandboxes ==

Hiya David, I was wondering if you will take a look at my improved Primes sandbox (not that I'm suggesting to retitle the article or anything, it's just the whim of my user space). I hadn't realized Marvel never uses the number 13, as it's been years since I read "Legacy of Unicron" or "Primal Scream", one takes these things for granted now. Also, regarding Alpha Trion, I finally have a response again to yesterday's chat, I feel we can compromise on this: the only thing bugging people about him being a multiversal singularity is SG. As you suggested, we should wait: we should wait to see if Forest or Hasbro explain his actions in that continuity or if multiversal singularities don't apply to mirrorverses like SG and that Alpha is truely unique from the original Prime who's more likely than not the one from G1/RID/UT/TA/ROTF/WFC. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:08, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

== Scan request ==

Since I can't find my copy of it at the minute, and since I know you had it out recent to scan that image of Rodimus Prime that's on the main page at the moment, might I trouble you to scan the panel from the third issue of the Marvel movie adaptation that features Hot Rod with a handful of energon sticks? On Junkion, when he's trying the universal greeting. Thanks! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:59, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Ultra Magnus ==

I think we need to rewrite the Dreamwave section. It's kind of old TFwiki there with the super-condensed summary and lack of links to individual issues. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:04, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Daleks ==

Listen, if you want behind the scenes proof, When the Daleks first appeared in Doctor Who, they were called Daleks, Davros calling the casing Mark 3 Travel Machine never happed until the time of the Forth Doctor. The information on the page is WRONG.
[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:19, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Oh, and by the way, Davros if a Doctor Who character. Detour is giving us information from fiction too. The comment is wrong.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:22, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

== Something that might be of interest to the TFWiki... ==

I think you'll find [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/original-g1-scripts-designs-other-items-on-heritage-auction/20162/ this] to be rather interesting, as it may contain certain materials that would be decent additions to this Wiki. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:39, 8 November 2010 (EST)
: Thanks. I took some screencaps where I could. We should tell [[Jim Sorenson]] these exist and maybe he has a million dollars. (Or maybe just a hundred. Not many bids on these, and who the hell even knows this auction site exists?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:33, 8 November 2010 (EST)
::That site had some of the live-action movie props being auctioned either last year or earlier this year, IIRC. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:45, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:Should I/we let him know in his [[User talk:Jimsorenson|User Talk page]] about this? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:09, 9 November 2010 (EST)

==Question & request==
How come we should keep "Junkion trader"? I wouldn't know of a source that makes it a canon designation and before the article even had the noname-nickname template. So, why keep a made-up name that's no longer needed?
: Also, if you have ''The Complet Ark'', could you add an image of adult Chip Chase to his article? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:15, 14 November 2010 (EST)
:: Isn't "Junkion trader" from a magazine or something? I don't think we made it up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:43, 14 November 2010 (EST)
:::I can't say anything about magazines (though I'd wonder which magazine would bother to mention such an obscure "character"), but mostly, Derik, who made the article, had it marked as "nickname" from the start and left a reason for naming Junkion 1 "Junkion trader" on the Omniverse talk page. Altogether, I think it's not canon in any capacity. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:49, 14 November 2010 (EST)
::::*clenches fist* ''Derik''!! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:50, 14 November 2010 (EST)

==Another request (Junkion related)==
I figure that before I completely lose my sight looking for Junkion models in a sea of red & random, I should ensure someone will move the Junkion articles (currently 3) I've been writing to their proper location. Would you be so kind? If the articles aren't clear enough on which model/character is described, there's a small extra description in the mainpic temapltes (that I just figured out don't show up on the actual page). Pretty please? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 12:40, 17 November 2010 (EST)
: I don't own the Complete Ark, so it will have to wait for someone to divulge that information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 17 November 2010 (EST)
:: :( Well, I guess I could try pestering Sorenson about it. Sorry for bothering you. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:55, 17 November 2010 (EST)
::: I have the Complete Ark, but I'm finding your descriptions a little vague. I think I'd need screen shots or comic panels or whatever to work out who you're talking about. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 17:06, 17 November 2010 (EST)
::::As I said, the mainpic template contains a "screenshot description" that should make it possible to track who is who. Otherwise, [[:Image:TFTM Junkions.JPG|the three most in front in order are: kisser, double-eye and mouthplate]]. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:09, 17 November 2010 (EST)

== Talk:Bulkhead (Prime) ==

But every other kind of comment is allowed including swearing. The whole point of discussion pages is to discuss despite whether you think it's a waste. If it was in the wrong place then you should have said. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 09:46, 29 November 2010 (EST)
: "He looks kind of purple when he's under certain lighting" is not something that's worth discussing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:43, 29 November 2010 (EST)

== This might silence those who question the WFC/Exodus/Prime continuity ==

We finally have [http://www.unicron.com/news_item/2462/ official word] straight from the mouth of Hasbro itself that War for Cybertron, Exodus, and Prime are indeed in the same aligned continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:16, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:So... exactly what we had BEFORE. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:24, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::Yeah, but, now we can point nonbelievers to the words directly, instead of them having to just take our word for it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:33, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:::So... exactly what we had BEFORE. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:39, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:::On this very wiki: [[Hasbro_Q%26A/September_2010:_Answers]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:06, 8 December 2010 (EST)

== I Am Sorry ==

Hey look, I am here to apologize for the crap I have been saying. I was acting like a jerk for a while to you and It has really been haunting me recently. I know I need to work on my grammer, and I actually shouldn't posting anything since I am only in my second year in High School, and to be honest, I have only been a fan of TF for 9 years. I have really been a jerk recently and I just want to have a clean start now. I hope you understand. I am sorry, in other words, for all the crap I put you and this sight through.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 14:02, 22 December 2010 (EST)

== Walky..... ==
Care to tell me why you have blocked my IP? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:11, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:ItsWalky blocked your IP because of that Goldbug (IDW) toy deal of a few days ago. He may not have realized you were a regular contributor, but regardless, you should've started a third/fourth debate rather than declare the first two void because their results don't strike with your view on "reality". [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 06:20, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:: I blocked the anonymous IP who got into the edit war over removing Goldbug's toy info, which was just fucking obnoxious. If that was you, then whoops. Don't be a dickwad. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:16, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== You have Lugnut? ==

I've heard about you reviewing him, did you obtain him at a Brick & Mortar store like Walmart or Target? If so, which one (so the hunt may go on). Or was it through eBay/"specialty" store, or overseas? Moreso I'm wondering if the "not yet released" tag should still be applied to the Hasbro version on [[Lugnut (TF 2010)|his page]]. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 23:28, 11 February 2011 (EST)
: I got him from Big Bad Toy Store. He has been seen in stores, but like many other toys these days, he's having trouble hitting saturation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:45, 12 February 2011 (EST)

==Aw look==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_Willis_(cartoonist)_(2nd_nomination) Your Wikipedia page is up for deletion].

-Blackout-
:Yeah, a nomination you started. Big effing whup. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:04, 9 March 2011 (EST)
::Which is why it got a SpeedyKeep and the deletion tag is already gone. Nice try. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:52, 9 March 2011 (EST)

== Generations Scourge ==

Ohhh, yes, I see now. I didn't realise that his head could extend so far up. I thought it was just the normal extension for his robot mode. Bit of a pain to push back down, though...

Anyway, I apologise.

[[Special:Contributions/24.143.42.51|24.143.42.51]] 16:40, 26 March 2011 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Thank you for backing me up on the bolded-comma issue. I knew all those things people said about you couldn't be true! [[User:JW|JW]] 16:24, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

==A week?==
Don't you think that's a bit long for a regular editor to be banned? Far as I can tell, he didn't even get a warning. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 12:58, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
: It's not his first week-long ban. And he's been warned (and banned) about this behavior before. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:07, 29 April 2011 (EDT)
::Don't you think that's a bit short since that's about the only thing he does? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 13:11, 29 April 2011 (EDT)

==Iacon Archives==
Looking through the history of "Laserbeak (Cybertron)" and "Revelations Part 3", I see you were the one who called the archives the 'Iacon Archives'. Where did you get this name from, as it is not in the comics? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:45, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: The archives appeared to be in Iacon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:17, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
:: Could you elaborate on "appeared"? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:02, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
::: Everything in the story happened in Iacon. Or under Iacon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:43, 21 May 2011 (EDT)
:::: Not really, since Vector Prime and co. first hang out at Kalis and Kaon also gets namedropped at some point. So... I guess that means the Archives' location can't be pinpointend any better than "somewhere on Cybertron". Thanks for helping me! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:14, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

==New User==
There I did everything you said also I don't know how to use user pages so I hope i'm doing this right.[[User:Chubzhac|Chubzhac]] 23:35, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

==External Links==
Is it ok to use external links for titles such as ''Star Trek: Leonard McCoy, Frontier Doctor''? -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 00:15, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
: In what context? I'd really rather prefer most external links remain in the External links section. I kinda hate when I click on a link in the body of an article, thinking there'll be something relevant on this site, only to be taken elsewhere. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:16, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
::That's a little contradictory since there are external links all over this site that isn't in the External Links section. So what specifically don't you like about it? Being misled into thinking you're going onto Lindsey Lohan's Wikipedia article, but instead go to Mandy Moore's? (or something like that) What I meant exactly was that in almost every issue's page there's an Advertisment section showing what else is from the same publisher (that's why I used ''Star Trek'' as an example). So could some of those advertisments have an external link to another wiki site that would specialise (or have more insight) in that particular title. I hope that was a little more straight foward and maybe a little easier to understand. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 13:16, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Probation appeal ==

So, the incident that led to my probation was proposing that [[Dead End (Animated)]] move to "Dead End (Timelines)" on the basis that that was his franchise-of-origin. I brought the issue up on the Allspark's "Major Wiki work" thread because I had no idea why it was reverted and I couldn't talk about it here (because of the probation thing). [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=51208&view=findpost&p=1825571 The conclusion seemed to be] that I was ''technically'' correct, but the Wiki just didn't want to do it that way.
{{quote|The idea of moving the BotCon-exclusive Animated characters to a "Timelines" disambig is just one of those occasional instances where the instruction to "[[Help:Ignore all standards|ignore all standards]]" comes into play. Sometimes, it's just easier, more aesthetically pleasing, or just feels RIGHT to do things a certain way that may not be the way everything else is done.|[[Chris McFeely]]}}
I went about everything the right way, as far as I know. I put one move proposal tag on one page so it could be talked about. I gave a technically correct reason, "Franchise of origin. Like [[Cop-Tur (Timelines)]]". I do my best to remember to not do what I have been hollered at for doing in the past, but seriously, I had no way of knowing I was stepping into an instance of "ignore all standards". All you really had to do was revert my one move proposal with a big "We are ignoring all standards you moron!" in the change log. You would have felt better for hollering at me and I would have been clued in on what was going on and that would have been the end of it. So, can I please have my probation lifted? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:59, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

==When the past comes to haunt you==
[[Vector Sigma Chamber]] - I have no clue how it could be written so that it's significantly different from the Vector Sigma page. You've stated you believe it could be an article with its own worth. If you have time, would you please give the page its long needed update? 
Meanwhile, I have never been able to track down the source that the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' is Shockwave's underwater base in the Marvel comics. You and Derik talked about the source being one of the letters pages, but would you have any idea which issue's letters page? 
As an aside, [[TFWiki.net 2011 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Entries|this page]] is locked, which would be all fine and stuff if not for the handful of article links that can not be fixed anymore. Could you please remove all of them? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:32, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

== New and ticked off ==

I'm new here. I have taken your suggestions into account, but there is one thing that still bothers me: no one else wants to help me. Can you lend a hand? --[[User:Ibreakthingz|The Breaker]] 19:24, 15 June 2011 (EDT)
:Nope - Random IP number
::What do you need help with? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:54, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
Let me tell you, I am SUPER excited to help the guy who starts off by telling me he's ticked off. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 20 June 2011 (EDT)

== Oh man, sorry ==
I don't see any comments, only some guy asking about how the info and description of Cybertron should be. Sorry about the confusion. I actually don't think that I ever reverted it back O.o I don't remember that, I must have clicked on some wrong place or something. Again, sorry fellow Transformer-fan :) [[User:Luka1184|Luka1184]] 11:15, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Dark of the Moon: Ship? ==

What exactly did they use to explore the moon then? Just wondering, thanks. [[User:Autow1ngz|Autow1ngz]] 02:22, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
: The novelization calls the ship Ratchet and Optimus Prime take to the moon the "Atlax X," a human-built craft. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:45, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:Whoops, what I meant to say was what did Optimus and Ratchet use to recover the comatose (boy I love that word after seeing it on Tfwiki) body of Sentinel? [[User:Autow1ngz|Autow1ngz]] 03:00, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::No, in the finished film, they ''do'' use the Xantium to go to the moon. Prime announces in a voiceover at the beginning of the scene, "Xantium approaching Tranquility base". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:42, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:::It feels weird, then, that they only really introduce the ship much later in the movie.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:34, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::::Quite agreed. Seems fairly obvious that it was originally going to be a human-built endeavour (it's the "Ares V" in the comic), but then someone said "Why do they need a human rocket if our script already features a pre-existing Autobot spaceship as a plot point?", and it got shoved in earlier without any real reworking of the later intro scene. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:38, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Evac (Prime) ==

At SDCC announced two new figures for a character called Evac, from the Prime franchise, should we wait until he makes an appearance in the show to create his own article? --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 20:58, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
:Remember, one doesn't have to appear in the show to get a toy. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:03, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
::I could have sworn that Evac was supposed to be a character for the new Transformers ride...[[Special:Contributions/98.209.73.178|98.209.73.178]] 21:28, 23 July 2011 (EDT)
:::He's not from Prime, correct. He's a new character created for the movie-based Transformers ride at Universal. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:23, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

== I need to tell you something. ==

Hi. There's something that I've been feeling a bit guilty about for a long time. You see, on a different account (which I will reveal the name of after you respond to make sure there are no hard feelings) I was quite rude. I was irrational, confused and upset. Afterwards, I left this site in guilt, and ashamed because I wasn't thinking rationally a few times while on my account. Do you think you can maybe accept my apology for my actions, because I feel like a horrible person for the silly things I brought up and got into. Would you please accept my apology? If you can't, well, that's okay too. If you don't get this, well, I just wanted to say I'm sorry for being such a horrible person on such a good website. :(
[[Special:Contributions/74.82.64.16|74.82.64.16]] 15:27, 28 July 2011 (EDT)

== Guilt ==

Sorry, I was thinking about my previous heading "I need to tell you something" and I reliezed that although I ment it in a kind way, I thought it's possible that you could believe that to mean that I had some cruel things to say, which I did not. The message is still the same though! If it means anything, I would like to say you can be sure nothing like that could happen again with me.
[[Special:Contributions/74.82.64.17|74.82.64.17]] 16:05, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
: I don't know who you are, but I guess we're all right. It's hard to refuse an apology from an anonymous dude. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:12, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

== Harrison Ford ==

Was it rude? Horrifying even? Why did you undo my edit? An external reference isn't to much to ask for. Is it? -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 19:39, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
: I addressed this on the talk page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:55, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

== Files on user pages ==

I removed the images from my user page because of fair use, but nobody had removed them in the meantime because of this. So did I do right by taking them off or can I put them back? -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 19:46, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
: I don't really understand what you're asking. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:35, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
::Let's try this again. On another wiki I added a pic to [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Anythingspossibleforapossible&oldid=39022 my user page] and it was [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:Anythingspossibleforapossible&action=history removed]. [http://youngjustice.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Thailog#Using files on your own user page This is the reply I got when I inquired further]. If you still don't understand I'll just put them back. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 18:11, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Over here, you're allowed to upload one pic specifically for your userpage. On top of that, from what I gather, you can add other pics that already exist for article, but obviously don't go overboard. Hope that helps! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:10, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::Thank you. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 18:11, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

== I noticed the BotCon Europe 2002 talk page ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Selective_deletion]

Just being helpful. :) --[[User:Krafty|K-K-Krafty!]] 10:22, 11 November 2011 (EST)

== About the caption bastard template... ==

I do not understand why you added that (mean-spirited) template. It's only two captions, and if you looked at my contributions, you would have noticed that I added a lot of information. I thought captions were supposed to be a reward for all that work. Adding a twist on an overused joke is at least an attempt to make it fresh, rather than stating some variation of "this joke sucks now", which is ''just'' as overused as plainly using an overused joke. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 19:41, 6 January 2012 (EST)
: I apologize for using the template. I was going to write a more personal note, but remembered we had the template, forgetting how sharply worded it was. You have not been a bad editor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:42, 6 January 2012 (EST)

==A massive favour to ask==
Ive just started getting into your webcomics (im up to date on shortpacked and it wasnt until this morning i realised about you're earlier ones) but i have a huge favour to ask of you. I am currntly stuck with this stupid school laptop for a home computer which includes a school blocking system. While Shortpacked and Joyce and Walky sites are unaffected when i try to open dumbing of age it comes up with
[[Image:Examplepagetoshowwalky.jpg|left|500px|thumb|]]
Is there anyway you could perhaps email me copies of the files for each update + all the ones so far. I can understand if you say no but i though there was no harm in asking--[[User:Mrgalvaprime|Mrgalvaprime]] 06:15, 17 January 2012 (EST)
: I'm sorry, but I cannot email you all my comics. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:12, 1 March 2012 (EST)
Oh well, it was a long shot anyway--[[User:Mrgalvaprime|Mrgalvaprime]] 03:47, 30 May 2012 (EDT)
{{-}}

== Prime toys ==

You wouldn't happen to know when exactly the ''Transformers: Prime'' toys are scheduled to be released, would you?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.172.244|71.255.172.244]] 19:59, 1 March 2012 (EST)
: Transformers toys that aren't the first wave of product for a blockbuster movie don't tend to have release dates. Stores will receive them and put them out at some point after that. So I have no date for you. However, I've seen them out at some stores here for weeks, so the answer is "some time in the past, perhaps now, perhaps not until the future." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 1 March 2012 (EST)
I haven't seen any toys in the stores, but thanks anyway.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.172.244|71.255.172.244]] 21:44, 1 March 2012 (EST)

The other convention-exclusive pink Arcee figure, they are availible on the web. How would I be able to get it without getting lead into a scam. I was hoping you or someone on this wiki would know how I would be able to get that toy. I didn't go to the convention.[[Special:Contributions/71.162.106.122|71.162.106.122]] 19:24, 4 March 2012 (EST)
: http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/transformers-prime-bumblebee-and-arcee-set?BR=496&ID=29273 --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:58, 5 March 2012 (EST)
::Wow! Only $29.99. Thanks.
:::On Ebay, it costs $80.00.

== what you said to me ==

i will make sure i learn more english when i go to school today
: Mostly I hope they teach you about capital letters and punctuation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:02, 19 March 2012 (EDT)

It's kind of hard to do that all when you're using a wii like I am [[User:Jacktransformerdude|Jacktransformerdude]] 02:08, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
: If you're editing the wiki with something that makes it nigh-impossible to edit the wiki, you probably shouldn't edit the wiki. I've tried it on my cellphone before, and it's extremely difficult to get all of the various coding right, but if I can't edit the wiki correctly, I just don't edit the wiki. Leaving a bunch of stuff that has to be deleted or completely overhauled is worse than not contributing at all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:54, 19 March 2012 (EDT)

== The Fallen/Megatronus Prime artwork ==

I wanted to have someone verify this before I uploaded it, but is [http://t4ak.roblox.com/daaf9f4eb9b33f115661eb4a7c849007 this] the concept art for the ''Aligned'' pre-Fallen version of Megatronus Prime, and if so is is usable? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 15:23, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
: That's not exactly what we saw at Hasbro's panels. It's not in the same style. (It'd look more like the Aligned Prima art, which is way more painterly.) This looks like an artist's recreation from memory to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:07, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
::Thanks, just what I needed to know. Off to search again. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:53, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
:::Pictures were not allowed of those guys. If you somehow manage to find one, we wouldn't be able to use it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:15, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
::::Gotcha. Thanks anyway. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 21:37, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

== Prime Hot Shot toy image ==

Not really sure why you replaced the photos that I already took for the toy with your own, (which are kind of faded, especially with the red) but whatever. Just kind of wondering why, though. Well, there go my efforts... :/ [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 23:19, 7 May 2012 (EDT)
: M Sipher overwrote my Kick-Over photos. It happens. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:33, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

== Reno Wilson ==

If I sound impatient, I'm sorry, but I've explained the reasoning behind my edit to the Mudflap controversy several times over, and nobody has disagreed with me. A couple users explained what it's supposed to mean, but it turns out that it's based on an incorrect assumption to begin with. Both times that I've I changed it, though, the edit has been reverted without an explanation. If this is about my spate of edits to my own comments, then I'm sorry, but I'm just editing a minor note to be more factually accurate and less obtusely "snarky". How can I get it to stick? - [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 17:00, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
: "Nobody has disagreed with me" is a pretty bold complaint, considering everyone on that talk page disagrees with you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:08, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
::In my defense, that's a recent development. Nobody ''had'' disagreed with me when I wrote that. If anyone can prove me wrong or show that this is a special case, I'll shut up right now. However, while I understand if it became personal at some point, I have to admit I don't see the point in defending the wording of one note so closely to begin with, at least not unless it's funnier than I thought. - [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 18:12, 13 May 2012 (EDT)
:::"Prove me wrong" is a red herring. The entire discussion is a "Yeah-huh"/"Nuh-uh" dynamic. You didn't understand the joke. Everyone else did. There's nothing left to prove or discuss. Please, please, please move on to something else. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:31, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

==IDW==
Ok. Fine but can you edit Ratchet then if I do my edits too long because I've been on it for quite awhile. Ed

===IDW Whirl==
Hi there, I'm not sure how else to get in touch with you.
Please don't include speculative conclusions to the Wiki. All that was written in MTMTE #6 regarding Whirl is that he was at one point an instructor, and that he changed his names a few times. Until it has been confirmed that Whirl IS or is not Jetstream, please don't state as such. (apple pie)
: I don't think you grasp the difference between speculative conclusions and the Whirl/Jetstream deal. Don't mess with those pages again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:03, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

===Nightracer Changes===
I got a note from you and am not sure the proper method for messaging or response to you, so I'll just say it here? You needn't have so drastically changed both entries for Nightracer. I deliberately created a new page for the cloned Nightracer so once more was known about both, they could both be altered accordingly. You seemed to edit both pages until they were to YOUR liking, rather than letting them evolve as needs be. Really, you created a lot of work for yourself, so please don't get upset and send me condescending messages when you could have simply fixed the new entry, and let me know how they work. It's not exactly easy to find instructions on how to "discuss" things, so assuming you know EXACTLY how everything should work and then talking down to a newer user doesn't really make you look very good.
: YOU needn't have so drastically changed Nightracer's entries. That is my problem. I am trying to revert. As a new user, when you make many many changes to a page, to the point of moving the page itself, without asking about it first, I don't think you have a lot of room to get mad at someone else changing it a whole bunch to put it mostly back the way it was. Next time, ask. Certainly, at least, until you have a better grasp of how the wiki organizes information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:08, 7 September 2012 (EDT)

===Reverting All My Edits==
Okay, so maybe I should quit adding captions. But why do you keep undoing my major edits to character bio pages too? Okay, it shouldn't be an essay. But this is a Wikipedia, and it's the Transformers Wikipedia to boot; people come here for specific information. On Transformers.
[[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:49, 21 September 2012 (EDT)
: You are not adding specific information. You are saying in fifteen paragraphs what the page is already saying in three paragraphs. It is not only unnecessary, but makes the page worse. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

==Secretary joke==
:I have no problem with acknowledging Arcee's less intense role in HM (note: I have yet to see about half of HM, so as for HM context I hardly have anything to say), but I question what is the joke's target: The Headmasters's writing... or secretaries and Japanese people? It's not just that joke, it's that this wiki has a small web of jokes and remarks relating to Arcee's job change that go beyond fair critique and into, well, bigotry. I'm trying to imagine how the way the wiki trashes on Arcee's job change must read to someone who is a secretary. As the child of a (once) secretary, I do see it as an attack on the job itself. You can't really deny that - just look at the image description I've changed that felt the need to specify the job warrior with "brave" as if being a secretary means you can't be brave (if this is HM context, it fails to specify that). Airazor's page used to have the same problem in her writeup about her gender in Japan. This also makes the joke gendered, given the usual associations of who does which job contrasted with the idea which job deserves more appreciation. For the other element of the joke that bugs me, I invite a look at BW Blackarachnia's note section. There's one at best humorous, at worst neutral treatment of an absolutely disgusting post on Blackarachnia's design process. The next note about Blackarachnia in Japan is written with much more condemnation while failing to convince me I'm reading about something worse than the previous note. And then there's that eternal remark about Arcee in HM again that again fails to offer a proper and coherent story rather than inside-crowd cover-aggression. I could also talk about the 'joke' showing up on TFA Arcee's page, which is kinda bull considering TFA had a bad-to-horrendous treatment of most of its female cast, Arcee included, but that's not commented on. No, what is commented on is a lesser worse treatment of G1 Arcee decennia ago in that awful country known as Japan.
:That's why I want the joke changed. Not because the wiki shouldn't talk about the job change and sexist/gender stereotypical script motivations, but because I don't think a small cover-aggressive caption will be enough to do that without being sexist itself. And in the context of the entire wiki, because I feel critique on Japanese writing is handled considerably bolder than critique on American writing.
:All that said, I'm taking a step aside from the above to thank you for the Arcee captions you've added. They're a great addition to her article. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:09, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
::I've yet to be convinced that you can tell the difference between making fun of bigotry and bigotry itself. You seem to constantly believe one is the other, and suggest that just dealing with the subject directly is embracing it. To that I say bullshit, and that's stupid. You're not going to win that argument. Making fun of stupid Transformers crap is what this wiki does, and "historically bad treatment of female characters" is not magically exempt from that.
:: The way to fix this is not to dial back on the criticism of stupid crap. If there are things you think we should lampshade but we are not, by all means, fix that. Animated Arcee already has a caption on her page talking about how she's just a prop. I added one to G1 Arcee's page last night about her less-than-stellar introduction into IDW continuity. (Both those are English fictions, btw.)
:: The "In Japan, I'm a secretary!" is a caption that is as old as her page, and originally belonged to a screencap from her then-only appearance in which her leg had gotten blown off in the line of duty. I don't think it's appropriate for the stock image for which it has substituted and could stand to be changed to match the image better. But if you're going to level the pretty incendiary charge of "bigotry," I think you could at least meet that serious charge with the footwork to determine the source and context of the content you're leveling the claim at. Again, this is part of my concern that you assume the worst of others' intentions without first attempting to understand them. Is a caption "bigotry" when it merely survived an earlier version of the page from a time when Animated Arcee didn't have the history she does now? Or do you just like throwing that damn word around because it's easy? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:34, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::You know what I don't get? That I can't simply say "this caption makes me uncomfortable" and that that is enough reason to change it (I could also add to that "these captions have ''always'' made me uncomfortable but I've been too scared and confused to do something about most of them earlier"). Also I don't get why you keep making this as if I am attacking individuals. The only reason I contacted you and M Sipher is because you both returned something that makes me uncomfortable and rather than start an edit war with an admin or two because I'd like to get a few things done before ever getting banned, I'm trying to talk this over. Yes, I'm using words as "bigotry" and "sexism", because I don't think they're big words that should be reserved for the most extreme, clearly visible of cases. The moment it plays into a system (that makes the extreme cases possible), it qualifies. But I don't call ''anyone'' any of those words, because I don't believe these jokes/critiques are bad on their own, but bad in a system, and I don't hold anyone of this wiki responsible for that system. Why I don't look up histories of page jokes/remarks - I'm not interested in who put it there and the reasons for it aren't really important either. All I'm concerned about is what is there now and how it connects with other such comments all over the wiki. Individual excuses are just going to cloud the systematic problem's presence.
:::And believe me, it's ''not'' easy using those words, because they're words that are likely to cause unwarranted defensiveness that blocks out the entire function of those words of pointing out systematic problems. If I'd go for easy, I'd be ass-kissing my way into your good graces right now.
:::I hope you'll excuse me that I'll give a specific reply to "I've yet to be convinced that you can tell the difference between making fun of bigotry and bigotry itself. You seem to constantly believe one is the other, and suggest that just dealing with the subject directly is embracing it." (only). There's two things I know of that are important in this, and those are all needed: that ironic sexism ís a form of sexism and that femmephobia is a terrible way of 'battling' sexism. That indeed puts a number of jokes and remarks around here in the same vein of bad as what they try to criticize. Call it a 'belief' if you want to, I'll keep calling it 'What is Sexism 101'. And lastly, it's nonsense that a caption can 'deal with a subject directly'. Nearly all captions rely on background knowledge, but do not provide it themselves. That's why a number of them criticizing content fail. Notes and elaborate sections tend to provide better 'deal with a subject directly'-stuff, but they're rare.
:::The thing is that I'd love to rewrite/write about some of the problematic content and 'deal with the subject directly' but I sincerely doubt that it would be appreciated. There was, for example, the matter of Override Prime's Primehood about a year ago that did not go down well. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:36, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
::::The problem is that you have a definition of "femmephobia" that others do not share, and so your claims of it aren't getting any traction. I still can't comprehend how pointing out that Arcee's function in America is "Warrior" but her function in Japan is "Go-fer" is in any way being hateful of ladies. Hear me out: I in no way want to diminish your feelings on a topic that you have a inside take on. As a female, you will always have a better understanding of the experience, and as dudes the best we can do is listen and understand. However, the problem is ''you are just one female.'' You don't represent all of them. I've been doing webcomics about ladies and gay folks for forever, and if there's anything I've learned over and over again it's that nobody agrees on what's offensive or sexist or bigoted. I've gotten yelled for jokes being construed as insensitive by a minority, while simultaneously a bunch of other folks from that same minority saying that other guy or gal is wrong and it was fine. If commentary could be vetoed by one person who didn't like it, there wouldn't be any commentary ever. And so while your word carries more weight on this topic due to circumstance of birth, your word will not always be Final. It can't work that way.
::::You can make a plea for why that caption is dumb, and if others agree we can certainly yank it out, but other people can outvote you. This wiki is a collaborative project and no one person can veto the decisions of the community, lest I remind you that we don't have an all-encompassing Sideways page. Your best course of action is to find others who agree with you and get them involved here. I bet you that on this topic the wiki would be willing to listen to a vocal minority (that is, consisting of more than one person). --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:37, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
::::At any rate, I've asked around: http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/32361010306/a-question-to-the-ladies-who-follow-me-so (I want to emphasize through this exercise that while I may not agree with your take, I do take it seriously.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:17, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Oh, I am familiar with your work and the controversies it causes. If I recall correctly, it was one of your comics that introduced me to the term "ableism". Came in handy when the D-drama in the MLP: Friendship is Magic fandom started.
:::::I am also well-aware I am not the chosen representative of all of womanhood, nor did I present myself as such. I very much appreciate you asking others for their opinions, even though I didn't have to look to know what the general attitude would be. It's commendable you took the time to do this for me. Thank you.
:::::That said, you unintentionally brought up another possible 'both be happy'-solution for this matter that doesn't require too much change I think. I don't know much about Arcee's role in HM, as said already, but if her role is so small that her job can be described as "gofer", then all I request is that word to be used on the wiki instead of "secretary" for me to be, well, a lot more okay with the situation, and definitely the caption. Would that be possible (I accept 'no')? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:05, 27 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::"Go-fer" is fine. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:43, 27 September 2012 (EDT)

== Question ==
Alright, I probably seem like a little kid for asking this, but how do you think I did on the ''[[Transformers: Prime - The Game|Prime - The Game]]'' page? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 08:19, 31 October 2012 (EDT)

== "Home in" ==

I don't understand how the merriam link disagrees with jalaguy; it specifically gives "a missile honing in on its target — Bob Greene" as an example.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:01, 27 November 2012 (EST)
: Yes, it gives examples of usage, but then spends a whole paragraph belaboring how it shouldn't be used. The page defines it, but then tells you not to use it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:34, 27 November 2012 (EST)
:: I hadn't expected to start a mini-edit war with that note. Thanks for the support! [[User:JW|JW]] 10:35, 28 November 2012 (EST)

== Predacon bird ==

I Looked it up and can't find anything on the Predacon bird from Car Robots. Can you please tell me where I can find the picture of the Predacon bird?[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] 19:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)
: I seriously have no idea what the hell you are talking about. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 10 December 2012 (EST)
::He seems to be talking about some random shot cut from an [[The Decepticons|RID episode]]... [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 20:29, 10 December 2012 (EST)
:::Then I am of no help. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:21, 11 December 2012 (EST)

== NOOOOO.jpg ==

: [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] has had [tfwiki.net/wiki/File:NOOOOO.jpg this] marked to be moved since May. No one's done so, so I'd like to see if I you'd approve of the move?--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] 18:29, 27 July 2013 (EDT)

== Question. ==

EDIT-Thank you.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 17:06, 19 August 2013 (EDT)

== Apologies ==

Hey ItsWalky,

Just saw your message. Just got rid of the link. Sorry about that.

I didn't mean to break any rules, I just wanted to know what to do with the info.

--[[User:Dean3|Dean3]] 01:00, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Wait until it airs? Which is why the Predacons Rising page is LOCKED? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

Will do. Thanks again for the info. Also, as a side note, that's an ''awesome'' profile image you've got on your page. Plus your art is awesome too; just checked your blog page. --[[User:Dean3|Dean3]] 02:48, 17 September 2013 (EDT)

== Possible Second Alt Mode.... ==

Does perceptor in fall of cybertron transform into a microscope?
[[User:Hyruk]]
: I dunno, maybe read [[Perceptor (Prime)|Perceptor]]'s page to find out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:40, 1 November 2013 (EDT)

Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1

2014-01-06T00:13:52Z

Drift1998: /* Errors */

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'''While Orion Pax's team joins up with the ''Lost Light'' crew, Shockwave unleashes his undead Metrotitan on Cybertron.'''

==Synopsis==

''Six million years ago, the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark-1]]'' comes upon a mysterious swirling vortex on the fringes of the [[Benzuli Expanse]]. [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] is left baffled by the cosmic anomaly, but [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] is reminded of a legend that spoke of a parallel reality of unlife—a [[Dead Universe]]. Jhiaxus scoffs at the superstitious notion, but there is no denying that whatever the vortex is, it is indeed a gateway to another universe. At [[Nova Prime]]'s command, [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] sets the ship on a course toward the anomaly, but as it grows near, the anomaly reaches out and begins to pull the ship in. Nova Prime remains calm, but a distressed Jhiaxus quickly beams a final message back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], to his student [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]], urging him to carry on his work...''

In the present day, beneath the surface of Cybertron in [[Crystal City]], Shockwave gloats over the imminent fruition of long-germinating plans. Jhiaxus, reporting in from the vicinity of [[Gorlam Prime]], lets Shockwave know that the [[Necrotitan|Metrotitan]] awoken on the planet by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]] is presently in mid-teleport to Cybertron, guided by [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], while [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]], at Shockwave's side, reports on the energy fluctuations that herald the Titan's arrival. As the colossal Transformer materializes, the [[Ore-2]] in its body begins to react with the [[Ore-14]] that lines the cavern walls, and the giant howls in agony.

In [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], a worried [[Rattrap]] interrupts [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]] with some news, while the former Decepticon is busy familiarizing himself with his new body. Before Rattrap can share his fears, though, Starscream sees the source of his concern for himself: the sun, which had apparently risen some time ago, has not moved from its position in the sky since Starscream last saw it. Realizing that dawn is, in fact, hours away, Starscream scans the mysterious ball of light, and with a suspicion that he recognizes its energy signature growing, has Rattrap put in a call to the ''[[Lost Light]]''.

In the vicinity of Gorlam Prime, Orion Pax and his team aboard Pax's ship the ''[[Skyroller]]'' struggle to escape the gravity well of the collapsing planet as the expanding Ore-2 destroys it. Fortunately, responding to a distress call put out by Pax, the ''Lost Light'' [[quantum jump]]s onto the scene directly overhead. The ''Skyroller'' docks with the larger ship—which easily outpaces the pull of Gorlam Prime's collapse—and Pax's team are welcomed on board by [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]], who, it turns out, specifically responded to the distress call because it was warning him ''away''. As members of the two crews quietly comment on how ''weird'' the others are, and [[Garnak]] has a happy reunion with his old captain Rodimus, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] inquires if Orion will be taking command of their ship. Orion haltingly confirms that he won't, and asks for a tour of the ''Lost Light'' instead; this takes the group to the bridge just as Starscream's transmission comes through. Studying the readings Starscream provides, Cyclonus confirms his fears: the light in the sky over Cybertron is a portal to the Dead Universe.

Back on Cybertron, [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]], [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] venture closer to the mysterious light, in which Arcee can sense Jhiaxus's hand. The Dinobots roar ahead into action despite the presence of no visible enemy to battle, but just as Prowl is starting to come around to their viewpoint, the ground beneath the Autobots' feet quakes... and the Metrotitan emerges, transformed by the fusion of ores into an undead behemoth!

A vision of the future assails Shockwave: he sees Galvatron battling [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]... Starscream disintegrating... Rodimus being crushed... [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] in chains... [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]]... the ''Lost Light'' crashing... and Orion Pax staring down... himself? Though he reels from this premonition, Shockwave rights himself as Dreadwing continues to provide updates, informing him that the Metrotitan is functioning as a "conduit", but that a complication has arisen. This seems of little import to Shockwave—as does Dreadwing's disrespectful tone, which Waspinator chides him for—as he turns instead to bow deeply before a viewscreen that delivers a transmission from the other side of the Metrotitan's link: Nova Prime and Galvatron yet survive within the Dead Universe, and soon they will return to conquer ''all'' universes!

==Featured characters==
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==Quotes==

"Hey Pax—your distress call was so '''epic''' I've got it as my ringtone."
:—'''Swerve'''

"You remember last year, when Rodimus gave his big speech about a quest to find the '''Knights of Cybertron?''' I was '''this''' close to signing up." 
"''Made-up knights impossible to '''find'''—and so you decided to stay '''behind'''.''" 
"No... I made the mistake of looking at the '''crew manifest.''' Rodimus has got some '''reeeeeal''' weirdos on board..."
:—'''Hardhead''' and '''Wheelie'''

"...And this is where we spend most of our time, fine-tuning strategy, reflecting on our progress to date... and debating the pedagogical constraints of logic, grammar, and rhetoric." 
... 
"Has someone been '''drawing''' on the navicomp?"
:—'''Ultra Magnus'''

"'''Ironhide''', keep your '''lunkheads''' in line." 
"They ain't lunkheads, '''Prowl''', they're just '''brave'''." 
"Most lunkheads are."
:—'''Prowl''' and '''Ironhide''' on the Dinobots

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*The Ark's approach to the Benzuli Expanse anomaly was previously seen in ''[[Spotlight: Galvatron]]''. That issue gets a bit of a soft retcon here; it implied that Galvatron had sent the Ark-1 into the anomaly of his own accord, but here we see Nova Prime order him to set their course. The setting is also different - here, Galvatron is shown at the helm surrounded by the bridge officers, but there he was shown alone at a side console.
*Tailpipe was revealed to be among the crew of the Ark-1 in ''[[Cybertronian Homesick Blues|More than Meets the Eye'' #13]].
*It wasn't clear if the presence of an Autobot symbol on Blurr's chest was an error when he last appeared in [[Three Monologues|''Robots in Disguise'' #20]], but that puzzle seems to have been solved with this issue as it's now gone.
*The mysterious "sunrise" appeared at the end of ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Second Exodus|#18]], [[Three Monologues|#20]] and [[Soundwaves (issue)|#22]].
*Orion Pax and company are escaping Gorlam Prime directly following on from the end of ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Homecoming (IDW)|#19]].
*We join the ''Lost Light'' after the ship's departure from [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]] in ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|#21]]; Rodimus notes that they're looking for [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]], who they met in the earlier-set [[Little Victories|issue #22]] - presumably because, with the destruction of their Matrix-half/map in #21, they have no way to search for the Knights of Cybertron.
*Garnak served under Rodimus in the "Space Opera" storyline that ran from from issues [[Space Opera Part 1: The Stars My Destination|#19]] to [[Space Opera—Final Tableaux: Orphans of the Helix|#21]] of the [[The Transformers (IDW)|2009-2011 ongoing series]].
*The ''Lost Light'' and Starscream previously made contact with each other in "[[The Sound of Breaking Glass]]", the prose back-up story in ''More than Meets the Eye'' #21.
*Nova Prime last appeared in ''[[The Transformers: Heart of Darkness|Heart of Darkness]]'' [[Heart of Darkness issue 4|#4]], in which he was reanimated by the [[D-Void]] and last seen being forced back through a portal to the Dead Universe. Likewise, Galvatron's last appearance—in [[Chaos Part Four: Genesis|issue #30]] of the ongoing series—saw him disintegrate when a portal to the Dead Universe began to open before him.
*Interestingly, Nova's dropped the "Nemesis Prime" moniker he went by in all previous appearances after becoming bearer of the [[Darkness (G1)|Heart of Darkness]].

===Transformers references===
*Tailpipe is based on the [[Tailpipe (DOTM)|''Dark of the Moon'' character of the same name]].
*Rattrap professes to have a "ninth sense", the way a human would claim to have a sixth. This seems to hearken back to the "standard seven senses" that Transformers are constructed with (according to [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]]'s profile in [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]]s [[The Transformers Universe|''Transformers Universe'']]), but that would mean there's an eighth going unmentioned. This could be taste, something most Transformers are shown to have nowadays, as it is not listed among the seven. Also Bumblebee claimed to have ''nine'' senses, in Marvel UK's [[Dinobot Hunt!]], perhaps suggesting a degree of variation between individuals.
*Starscream's new body is, of course, the new ''[[Transformers: Generations]]'' toy based on [[Starscream (Armada)|''Armada'' Starscream]].
*The first panel of page 10 homages panel 2, page 22 of ''[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime]]''.

===Real-world references===
*Rattrap describes himself as a "stainless steel rat", after the title of the 1961 [[Wikipedia:The Stainless Steel Rat|Harry Harrison novel]]. The same reference was also made in the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode "[[The Agenda (Part III)]]".
*Whirl describes Cyclonus as "sworn to reject a world that hates and fears him." A very similar turn of phrase, "sworn to '''protect''' a world that hates and fears them," has been commonly used by Marvel Comics' X-Men books for the past few decades.

===Errors===
*The Metrotitan's color scheme has changed from the white, orange and blue deco it had in ''Robots in Disguise'' #19 to a desaturated white, blue and magenta, as a result of colorist Josh Perez's mistaken belief that it was suppose to be the same titan that appeared in the [[Primus: All Good Things|''Robots in Disguise'' 2012 annual]], which had those colors. Though similar to the colors of ''the'' [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] from ''[[Transformers: Zone (franchise)|Zone]]'', this wasn't intended to mark them as the same character.
*When first landing on the Lost Light, Pax is seen to open a hatch at the top of the ship, yet in the next panel, judging by the shadows and positioning, he appeard to be exiting the underbelly of his shuttle to greet the assembled crew in the hangar. This seems like a rather odd error, unless he was airing the ship?

===Trivia===
* The inside-front cover of an IDW Transformers comic normally contains a "previously" text blurb, credits and a list of variant covers, but for this one-shot special, the "previously" section is expanded to two full pages, and is made up of re-used artwork from '''Robots in Disguise'' [[Shockwaves|#17]], #18, #19, and [[Soundwaves (issue)|#22]], and ''More than Meets the Eye'' #21 and #22. The credits and cover list come on page 3.
* While the Metrotitan's transformation into an undead horror seems like it's a reference to the old [[fandom]] misconception that ''Zone'' Metrotitan was a [[zombie]], it's actually a total coincidence.
* This issue's story is followed by a "Roll Call" page listing off the major players, a checklist of issues for the full "Dark Cybertron" event, and a "Thank You" to the VIP Attendees who visited the IDW studios at [[BotCon 2013]].
* In the "Roll Call" segment, Slag's name is given as "Slug", the controversy-dodging alternate name given to the character's [[Slug|Aligned continuity counterpart]]. Whether this change bleeds over into the story itself remains to be seen...
* Two weeks after this issue's publication, a stitch-bound "Deluxe Edition" was released. This version omits the "previously on" section, the "Roll Call", the "Thank You" and all adverts, and instead includes a 26-page supplementary section that showcases Phil Jiminez's thumbnail layouts for the issue next to Andrew Griffith's finished lineart, along with design sketches and alternate compositions, complete with commentary from Barber, Roberts, Jiminez, Griffith, Shearer and Guzman.

===Covers (6)===
*'''Regular cover:''' Orion Pax, Rodimus and Bumblebee charge forward, at the fore of a collage of characters from the story with Shockwave looming over all, by [[Phil Jimenez]] and [[Romulo Fajardo Jr.]]
*'''Sub cover:''' Shockwave's shadow is cast across Cybertron in front of a montage of the cast, by [[Casey Coller]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]. Retailers could order as many of this variant as they wished, with the notional intent that it only be available to customers with in-store subscriptions to the book.
*'''Cover RIA:''' Starscream in his new body, by Jiminez and Fajardo Jr.
*'''Cover RIB:''' Blank white cover for hand-drawn sketches by [[Andrew Griffith]]. The example sketch used to illustrate the cover in this issue's checklist is one of [[Flatline (G1)|Flatline]], drawn for fan [http://www.furaffinity.net/view/11401359/ Jasmine "Jazzfox" Smith] at [[Unofficial conventions|Auto Assembly 2013]].
*'''Cover RE:''' Orion Pax in an homage to [http://www.comics.org/issue/47738/ ''New Mutants'' #87], by [[Rob Liefeld]], who drew the original cover being homaged, with colors by Fajardo Jr. Available exclusively at [http://vacomicon.com/ Virginia Comicon] 2013.
*'''Deluxe Edition''': Embossed version of the regular cover with a foil-stamped logo

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[[Category:Dark Cybertron issues]]

User talk:Jalaguy

2013-10-13T07:45:26Z

Drift1998:

==Prime writers==
I hope I'm not bothering but, who is going to write the new episodes in TFP? [[User:Joybells|Joybells]] 09:57, 15 October 2012 (EDT)Joybells
:In response to your question, we only find out the writers for specific epiodes of Transformers Prime once the episodes air, so there's no way of predicting upcoming writers. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 12:55, 15 October 2012 (EDT) Duplicated from [[User talk: Joybells]]
Thanks for helping me with that question though. I'll just wait.[[User:Joybells|Joybells]] 23:27, 15 October 2012 (EDT)Joybells

==Meansor in Shockpoint==
Right, I know the issue is set a couple AFTER Menasor's creation, however surely they still shouldn't have holograms of him because they left before he was made and so, assuming nobody contacted them, they should be oblivious to the happenings on earth.

==Constructicon shovel==
Hi, welcome to TFWiki. Whilst your enthusiasm is appreciated, step by step transformation images isn't something we do, not least because it'd clutter up pages. Additonally, when uploading images, please use JPEGs instead of PNGs, as they take up less space.[[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 12:44, 8 December 2012 (EST) Duplicated from [[User talk: Constructifan]]
:I understand, but I made more images of the Constructicon shovel from TF2 ROTF and I planned to upload them to that page.--[[User:Constructifan|Constructifan]] 12:48, 8 December 2012 (EST)
:Ok, I'll try my best. :)--[[User:Constructifan|Constructifan]] 12:49, 8 December 2012 (EST)

Now what? I just started adding jpg images and you go ahead and take them off. (sigh) Why?--[[User:Constructifan|Constructifan]] 13:49, 8 December 2012 (EST)
:What I said about the wiki not doing anything like step-by-step transformations still stands. With the images, I meant for future reference. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 14:14, 8 December 2012 (EST)

== Predacon bird ==

Do you know anything of the "Predacon bird"? Where can I find a picture of it?[[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] 19:10, 11 December 2012 (EST)
:Beyond advising searching the internet for the Car Robot episode in question, I'm afraid I can't help. Sorry. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 19:36, 11 December 2012 (EST)

== Maintenance ==

Hey, if they're a new user who's spamming right away, feel free to block them and delete all of their content. We can always revert if it was a mistake, and the rest of us play a zero-tolerance game with the spammers. Thanks for your help!--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 15:48, 18 January 2013 (EST)
:I can blank their spam pages, sure, but I can't block them, don't have sysops... [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 15:53, 18 January 2013 (EST)
::Well then, keep it up! Your efforts keep this wiki clean! Thank you!--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 16:43, 18 January 2013 (EST)

== Ghosts of Yesterday ==

I did, I just didn't see any indication that disagreement had formed in the meantime. What did I miss?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:20, 28 May 2013 (EDT)
:I wasn't around back then, but it seems wiki policy on article names has changed in the meantime. I vaaaaaguely recall there being a big 'add Transformers back into titles' initiative from a while back. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 16:25, 28 May 2013 (EDT)
::Thanks![[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:31, 28 May 2013 (EDT)
:::[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community_Portal/Archive51#When to omit .22Transformers.22 from an article title|Here]] and [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive52#.22Transformers: .22|here]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:59, 28 May 2013 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

I know I uploaded an image with an unusual file name. I saw the picture and decided to save it on my computer. Then I realized that the name had numbers and I didn't change the it. My mistake. I'm sorry. [[User:Movie09|Movie09]] 08:01, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

== Edit summaries ==

Just to point out... "Ditto" is fine if you're looking at Recentchanges on the day the edit's made (and you don't have the "Enhanced" RC turned on), but look at the history of the individual page: http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Darksteel_(Prime)&action=history - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 14:34, 19 July 2013 (EDT)
:Good point, thanks. I'll keep it in mind in the future. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 14:36, 19 July 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Shockpoint

2013-10-13T07:40:55Z

Drift1998: Created page with "Just wanting to know why my error regarding Menasor has been removed as it doesn't fit the continuity for Shockwave to have scans of Menasor whilst on the asteroid as he was crea…"

Just wanting to know why my error regarding Menasor has been removed as it doesn't fit the continuity for Shockwave to have scans of Menasor whilst on the asteroid as he was created after they left.

Shockpoint

2013-10-12T18:46:35Z

Drift1998: /* Errors */

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|continuity=[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[IDW timeline|Current era (2013)]]
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'''Soundwave's history with Shockwave unfolds as the two come to blows over the future of Cybertron and the Decepticons.'''

==Synopsis==

''Months ago, immediately following the dissolution of the [[Deceptigod]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] watches as his fellow [[Decepticon]]s extricate themselves from the pile of deactivated [[Sweep]]s that now litter the landscape, synesthetically perceiving their emotions. When [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] surrenders on behalf of the faction and is taken away by the Autobots, [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] proposes to Soundwave that they flee, at which point the ever-unreadable [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] appears from the mists with a message that sparks hope in Soundwave's heart: [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] lives.''

In the present day, in the subterranean [[Crystal City]], [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] marvels at the healing properties of Shockwave's [[Ore-14]], while Shockwave himself communicates with [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]. Listening in on their discussion from afar is Soundwave, up on the planet's surface, now entirely aware of the extent of the cyclopean Decepticon's betrayal, and apologetic to [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] for convincing him to follow his plans. [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] are a lot more angry than Ravage, however, and want to go back to [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] to get revenge on [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. Soundwave is having none of it, declaring Shockwave the true enemy and making it clear that ''he'' is in charge... which promptly causes a battle to break out between the [[Triple Changer]]s and his [[Mini-Cassette|cassettes]]. Surprisingly, it is [[Needlenose]] who steps in to end the brawling, speaking for the other Decepticons: they trusted the chain of command before, in Iacon, and it lost them both the war and their chance for peace. The Decepticons are done being soldiers.

Abandoned and alone, Soundwave ventures into the planet's depths, still intent on ending Shockwave's life. As he goes, he remembers the inspirational leadership of Megatron, and the strength of his will: a strength so great that he was able to resist becoming part of the Deceptigod when all the other Decepticons succumbed to its pull, and in turn defeated it. But there was one other who did not become part of the Decepticon, who stood apart from the unity of purpose that allowed the being's creation—Shockwave. Approaching Crystal City, Soundwave calls Shockwave out, but is met in battle by Dreadwing, who ignores his pleas for alliance.

''Years ago, as the energy-deprived Decepticons languish on their asteroid, Shockwave returns to their ranks at last and confers on current events with Soundwave. The two unite their resources to repair the shattered Megatron, with Shockwave using the venture to complete his dual goal of perfecting [[space bridge]] technology.''

As the battle continues, Soundwave shreds Dreadwing with his shoulder cannon, leaving a smoking corpse. Shockwave strides from the darkness to face Soundwave, just as he did once before...

''Years in the past, Shockwave approaches the mode-locked Soundwave with a deal to free him from his alternate mode if he deactivates the bomb planted within him by [[Skywatch]]. Soundwave agrees on one condition: that Shockwave tell him the truth about his [[Regenesis]] program. Shockwave refuses, presenting the logical argument that Soundwave will lose ''any'' hope of gaining the information if the spymaster doesn't prevent the bomb from destroying him. Soundwave professes that the acquisition of information is not his only goal, but that he truly believes in Megatron's cause. All the more reason, Shockwave claims, for them to work together...''

Soundwave watches Ore-14's healing effect restore Dreadwing, and believes that it can be used to revive Megatron. Shockwave has no such plans for his ultimate creation, however, considering Megatron's failures a betrayal of the Decepticon cause, and his lack of trust in Shockwave his final undoing...

''Thousands of years in [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s past, Megatron assigns [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] the task of looking into the absent Shockwave's projects. Soundwave, in turn, is tasked with watching over Bludgeon: it is clear to Megatron that Shockwave had a far-reaching plan in motion when he disappeared, and it will be Soundwave's task to discover and exploit it for the Decepticon cause. Even though Soundwave's mind-reading powers allow him to sense Megatron's mistrust of him, born of the hardships suffered throughout his life, he can also sense the honesty of his leader's [[spark]], and so he serves with a loyalty born of true hope for the future Megatron will make for them.''

And if Shockwave bars the way to that future, Soundwave's hope will crush him.

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.
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*''[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]]'' (8)
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*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (1)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (2)
*[[Needlenose]] (3)
*''[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]]'' (4)
*''[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]]'' (5)
*''[[Hook (G1)|Hook]]'' (6)
*''[[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]'' (7)
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (9)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (10)
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*[[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] (11)
*[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] (13)
*[[Cindersaur (G1)|Cindersaur]] (14)
*[[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]] (15)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (16)
*[[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (17)
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (18)
*[[Cutthroat (G1)|Cutthroat]] (19)
*''[[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]'' (20)
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*''[[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]'' (23)
*''[[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]'' (24)
*''[[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]]'' (25)
*''[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]'' (26)
*''[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]'' (27)
*''[[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]]'' (28)
*''[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'' (29)
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*[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] (12)
*''[[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]]'' (21)
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==Quotes==

==Notes==

===Continuity notes===
*Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh-KAY!
*The first "past" sequence takes place immediately after [[Chaos Part Four: Genesis|issue #30 of the ongoing]], showing us how the Decepticons wound up imprisoned in ''[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime]]'' with Ratbat as their spokesman. We also see how Shockwave, Soundwave and Bombshell's plan, working with Megatron from afar, got underway.
*Jhiaxus's appearance in this issue takes place shortly before [[Homecoming (IDW)|issue #19]], as he awaits [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]]'s arrival on [[Gorlam Prime]], which took place in that issue.
*Astrotrain and Blitwing refer to the "last time" Shockwave and Soundwave conspired together, referring to the Decepticons' despondent cannibalistic phase during the [[The Transformers (IDW)|2009-2011 ongoing series]]. We get a glimpse of it later in the issue.
*Blitzwing threatens to "dump [Soundwave] on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]", hearkening back to when [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] did the same thing to Megatron in ''[[Derelicts|Monstrosity'' #1]].
*Needlenose notes that he misses [[Horri-Bull]], who died all the way back in [[The Autonomy Lesson|issue #1]].
*Soundwave describes [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] as a hero of the First Cybertronian Civil War, a conflict first revealed to have taken place in the [[Primus: All Good Things|2012 ''Robot in Disguise'' annual]]. The introduction of this war into continuity also patched an old error from [[Heart of Darkness issue 3|''Heart of Darkness'' #3]], in which Galvatron knew the "ancient Headmaster" [[Thinkbox]] from a time of war; that's flagged up again here where it is noted that Galvatron vanquished these mysterious ancient Headmasters.
*The energies used to create the Deceptigod are explored a little more here. As was implied when the same energies were used to forge the new [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] in [[Plan for Everything|issue #15]], a common way of thinking is used to unite the minds into the gestalt form; where [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] were able to merge through their shared hatred of [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], Soundwave here notes that he and his comrades were combined through their shared belief in the Decepticon cause.
*The flashback of Shockwave and Soundwave on the asteroid occurs concurrently with [[All His Engines|issue #7 of the ongoing]]; in particular, the scene of Decepticons cannibalizing one another is lifted directly from that issue and shows Needlenose, Shrapnel and Kickback eating Dreadwind.
*Soundwave notes that the present-day Bombshell is a "different Bombshell" that the one Shockwave knew from his time among the Decepticons prior to his dormancy on Earth, which is a nod toward an old IDW continuity error. Bombshell first appeared in IDW continuity in ''[[Spotlight: Blaster]]'', only for ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron]]'' to ignore that appearance and introduce the character in the present day as a newly-created being. The full extent of Soundwave's words isn't yet clear.
*Shockwave mentions Bludgeon and Monstructor's battles with Autobots during his imprisonment, which we saw in ''[[All Hail Megatron issue 15|All Hail Megatron'' #15]]. He also mentions "discussing the terms of his release"; we saw him doing that with [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] in ''[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 3|Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #3]].
*The flashback of Shockwave and Soundwave meeting on Earth is set between scenes of ''[[Maximum Dinobots issue 4|Maximum Dinobots'' #4]], specifically following directly after page 3 of that issue.
*In this flashback, Soundwave, still not knowing the full extent of Regenesis, believes that Starscream coined the name "[[Ultra-Energon|Ore-13]]" for Ultra-Energon, as was the case in the original [[Simon Furman]]-written stories. ''Robots in Disguise'' has performed a gentle retcon on this, establishing at several points that the name originated with Shockwave, with no explanation for how Starscream learned it; that is papered over a little here, as Shockwave wryly notes that Starscream "has a way of knowing things".
*The final flashback of the issue takes alongside other flashbacks covered in the pages of ''[[Spotlight: Soundwave]]'', repeating the scene of Megatron tasking Bludgeon and then extending it.

===Transformers references===

*When describing his pre-war life, Needlenose recounts selling [[Chic Chips]], part of the character's history mentioned in his original [[The Transformers Universe|Marvel ''Universe'' profile]].
*Dreadwing manifests a glowing purple energy axe from his wrist when fighting Soundwave, in what seems to be a merging of Optimus Prime's orange [[energon-axe]] and Megatron's purple [[energon mace]] from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]] episode "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]".

===Errors===
*In the flashback scenes set during the "[[Chaos (IDW)|Chaos]]" storyline (covering their merge into the Deceptigod and the immediate fallout), the Decepticons are all drawn with the bodies based on their ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' designs that aren't supposed to get until some point between "Chaos" and ''The Death of Optimus Prime''.
*Moreover, Soundwave and the Constructicons appear in these scenes with the beefed-up designs (note Soundwave's extra little shoulder guns) that would did not gain until they were rebuilt in the [[Black Room]] prior to [[The Verge|issue #13]].
*Buzzsaw is colored red, like Laserbeak, instead of his normal gold on page 6. You can still tell the difference between them, though, because they have different bodies now.
*After appearing in more toy-accurate blues up until now, Frenzy has turned ''very'' cartoon-Rumble-purple in his one-panel appearance on page #6, much like Rumble did back during the ongoing when he was that color after it got changed the first time and oh blimey I've gone cross-eyed.
*In flashback whilst the Decepticons were on the asteroid, Shockwave remarks that combiner tech has advanced far in his absence, whilst studying holograms of Devastator, Monstructor and Menasor. However, Menasor was created on Earth off the top of Swindle's head AFTER the Decepticons got to their Asteroid, meaning they shouldn't know of him, let alone have holograms.
*Soundwave is very interested in ORE-14 because he says it can bring Megatron back, the only problem being MEGATRON ISN'T DEAD!

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Soundwave and his cassettes by [[Andrew Griffith]].
*'''Cover B:''' Shockwave and Dreadwing by [[Casey Coller]] and [[Joana Lafuente]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Shockwave by [[Livio Ramondelli]], in the second part of a three-part image formed with the RI covers of issues #20 and #22.
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Talk:Fallback (TF 2010)

2013-09-13T17:49:44Z

Drift1998:

Since [[Reveal the Shield]] is pretty much G1 characters wouldn't that make Fallback [[Outback (G1)|Outback]]? --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 12:08, 22 January 2011 (EST)
: Mindset isn't Mindset, so there's room for doubt. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:33, 22 January 2011 (EST)
:: Still, the bios are basically the same between this Fallback and Outback. It wouldn't be unreasonable to think they're the same, and he has used that name before. Granted, the older Fallback bio has him starting to obey the rules, buuuut Hasbro might want to reuse the character and ignore Club fiction. Plus, this guy hasn't been used in fiction yet. I dunno, the whole thing is pretty ambiguous, but I think we should move him to Outback's page until evidence proves otherwise. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 17:58, 22 January 2011 (EST)
::: I wouldn't be too opposed. Let's see what a few more people say. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:39, 22 January 2011 (EST)
::::I would consider [[Sea Spray]] a bigger candidate for merging before Fallback. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:12, 22 January 2011 (EST)
:::::Definite no on Sea Spray. He has profile fiction that places him firmly in the movie universe, no matter what Hasbro's author intent was. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:40, 22 January 2011 (EST)
:::::: Hey it's not like G1 characters or gobots can't show up in different universes. Like [[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]] (and maybe but probably not [[Breakaway (Movie)|Breakaway]]-[[Getaway]] and [[Crankcase (Movie)|Crankcase]]-[[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]]), all the offworlders in [[Axiom Nexus]] like the [[G1 GoBots]] {{storylink|Withered Hope}}
::::::and [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]]-[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II}}. And also since the only thing in his bio placing him in the movie verse is [[Crankstart (TF 2010)|Crankstart]] (unless my figure's on package bio isn't the only one) how can you be sure there isn't even an as of yet unheard of Crankstart in any other universe? My God this took forever to write. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 07:02, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::And with the "unheard of G1 Crankstart" makes you pretty much lose the argument, since you're arguing via things that don't exist. Also, Fracture is not a dimension-hopping GoBot, she's a Decepticon from that universe that just happens to ressemble Crasher of the GoBots, just like we've had tons of Cy-Kills that weren't the GoBot Cy-Kill. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:22, 23 January 2011 (EST)
::::::::Hey don't tell me when I lose an argument. I know the g1 Crankstart was a long shot but still it's possible. Anyway how are you so sure Fracture isn't Crasher? Do you have any proof she can't be? That's [[Fracture (Movie)#Notes|what Hasbro said]] and I choose to believe them and that's the same way I feel about Sea Spray. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 07:33, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::::Read the Fracture note again. Intend'''ed''', past tense. The note even points out how this was the plan before the toy's move to the Movie line. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:41, 23 January 2011 (EST)
::::::::::Okay I know it's been a month since you wrote that but I just found something to reply with. [[BotCon 2005#Merchandise]] says intend'''ed''' about Fallback being Outback and we put that toy in Outback's page, so really using past tense on Fracture's page doesn't mean she's defenitely not Crasher. That's a funny coincidence that that's a Fallback-Outback problem, but that doesn't really add to that conversation. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 11:43, 15 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::...except that Outback is specifically mentioned on Fallback's bio.[[Special:Contributions/72.35.60.2|72.35.60.2]] 13:11, 15 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::I've thought the same. I think they both should go to G1. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:47, 22 January 2011 (EST)
::::::I agree. They can have new pages too if they end up in a movie comic or something, but they should be on the G1 characters' pages either way. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 22:26, 22 January 2011 (EST)
Okay, if there aren't any major objections to it, can we at least put one of those merge thingies on the page? --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 11:37, 31 January 2011 (EST)
:I added the merge template hoping to encourage more discussion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:01, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, no. Until there's solid evidence he's in G1, he should be treated like all other TF 2010 toys and placed on his own page. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:09, 6 February 2011 (EST)
:::He ''does'' ship in a wave with Jazz and Tracks, and he has his G1 self's personality. I suppose it depends on how much it matters to you that he looks more movie-y than usual. But if it doesn't stop [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]]... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:37, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::::I'm not even sure Lockdown should count, frankly. While Milne based him on the ROTF toy, there are fundamental differences between his comic appearance and the toy, such as the entire head and the legs. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:42, 6 February 2011 (EST)
:::::No, Lockdown's head is the same. It's just his face that has a normal mouth instead of whatever the toy has. And his legs are half-transformed. These are not fundamental differences. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:45, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::::::Hm, you're right, I guess. But still, Lockdown's there because he's been concretely put in G1. As far as the bio goes, though, I believe we've had identical bios cross be similar without them being the same character, such as ROTF Reverb vs Movie Reverb. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:11, 6 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::You are correct about that, yeah. I don't really have any strong feelings one direction or the other. I just thought "all of the other TF 2010 toys" was inaccurate, and I provided another toy from that year that's in "movie style" that also serves as a G1 toy. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:19, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::Yeah, poor choice of words on my part. I meant more the 2010 line toys that don't have any fiction associating them with any particular continuity. I mean if his design ends up showing up in IDW's G1 comics, I'll have no objection to a merge, but right now, everything's kind of iffy due to Hasbro's increasing refusal to admit to separate continuities. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:32, 6 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::I think the fundamental issue I have with this is that, as a rule, movie toys do not get redecoed as non-movie guys. It seems very likely that any new-mold guys in RTS at this point are going to be considered G1 characters, but this is a movie mold in a nebulous, fiction-free environment. And, if I had to guess, I'd say it's a lot more likely he'll show up in a Movie story than in a G1 story, because anyone wanting to use Outback in a G1 story would think this mold doesn't look enough like Outback. -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:47, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I agree with LV, and don't think he should be put in G1. I mean, it's not like a movie-universe character with a G1 character's name AND a near identical bio note is remotely unheard-of. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:06, 6 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::::If Seaspray (who LOOKS more like his G1 self than "Fallback" does) isn't going to be considered "G1" in this wiki, then there's no legitimate reason that Fallback should[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 05:04, 21 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::::Seaspray's placement is because his bio explicitly ties him to movie guys, not because of his appearance. If he turned up in G1 fiction in that body, we'd put him on the G1 guy's page. The same is true of Fallback, regardless of who is more or less [[geewun]] than he is. --[[Special:Contributions/152.15.24.58|152.15.24.58]] 10:33, 21 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::::Er, that was me. Thought I was logged in. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 10:34, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::::::His bio only ties him in with movie-'''''styled''''' characters, ones that are not necessarily placed in the movie universe, or any specific universe, for that matter. Crankstart and Breacher are movie-styled, but that's as far as that goes with them, none of the three show up in any fiction apart from their bios. Nonetheless, again, if Seaspray doesn't "deserve" G1 status placement (even with Hasbro's current position), then Fallback doesn't, either. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 06:11, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::::::Crankstart was in Titan's movieverse comic, which would qualify him for movie-character status. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:16, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::::::::You say that as if Titan was a legitimate source to look for info on the Movieverse. It may be canon in A form, ''maybe'', but I find that argument flimsy and highly disputable. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 06:20, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::::::::No. Its not. As far as this wiki is concerned anything approved by Hasbro is cannon. The Titan books are thus unarguably 100% as much official canon as anyything else.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 13:08, 15 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::Crankstart appears in movieverse fiction, Sea Spray has an established rivalry with Crankstart. Crankstart has been established as being in the movieverse... And he's the sole indicator of where Sea Spray would belong, therefore it indicates that Sea Spray is a movieverse character. Otherwise we have no indicator whatsoever beyond "he's an homage to the G1 guy!". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:28, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::Yes, yes, we're all familiar with this spiel, but nonetheless, if Seaspray can't be accepted to this wiki as G1, then neither should Fallback until direct placement into the G1-verse (ala Lockdown). --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 06:37, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::::::::::So what the hell ''are'' you arguing, then? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:47, 22 February 2011 (EST)n
:::::::::::::::::::That Fallback '''shouldn't''' be on the G1 Outback page, ''especially'' if Seaspray can't. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 06:49, 22 February 2011 (EST)

Surely as this name has been used for the Botcon homage, this is obviously Outback? All RTS LINE are meant to be G1 homages as far as I know. None have appeared in movie fiction, ergo surely they should be considered g1?

== Faction symbol ==

The pic shows an Autobot symbol on Fallback's chest, which is the reason for the caption joke. But, uh, my Fallback just has empty space there. Is this a proto-to-release difference or a variant? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 10:56, 7 May 2011 (EDT)
:It seems to have just been promotional photography. Walky has pictures of my Fallback in the pipeline, which will probably necessitate a caption change. -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:09, 7 May 2011 (EDT)