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G.I. Joe (2024) issue 18

2026-01-31T22:32:39Z

Ezim93: Removing duplicate Reference

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|caption="I said TWO napkins."
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|publisher=[[Image Comics]]<br>[[Skybound Entertainment]]
|date=[[January 28]], [[2026]]
|coverdate= January 2026
|written by=[[Joshua Williamson]]
|art by=[[Marco Foderà]]
|colors by=[[Lee Loughridge]]
|letters by=[[Rus Wooton]]
|editors=[[Ben Abernathy]]
|production design=[[Andres Juarez]]
|production=[[Ashby Florence]]
|continuity=[[Energon Universe]]
|chronology=
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'''Marvin F. Hinton has left behind his days slinging machine gun fire for the joys of serving hot fresh sandwiches to his hometown of Biloxi. But when a pair of troublesome twins put his community in danger, Roadblock is willing to pick that burden back up.'''

==Synopsis==
"[[Zartan|Colonel Hawk]]" calls [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]] to inquire about the history of one [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Marvin F. Hinton]]. While Flint never personally served with "Roadblock", he's aware of his reputation as the world's best heavy gunner. However, last he heard, Hinton had returned to his hometown to pursue his dream...

Running a food truck! At a busy lot in [[Biloxi]], [[Marvin's Melts]] serves a number of hungry patrons the finest grilled cheese sandwiches in [[Mississippi]]. However, his day is interrupted by the arrival of [[Tomax and Xamot|Tomax and Xamot Paoli]] of [[Extensive Enterprises]], who claim to be fans of his sandwiches and wish to discuss a business opportunity. The pair tell Marvin that they'd like him to be the face of their new international chain of [[Red Rocket]] food trucks. However, he coldly rebuffs them, having no interest, fully aware that they're using the Red Rockets as a front for recruiting new [[Crimson Guard]]. The Crimson Twins leave, warning Marvin that he will soon regret rejecting their offer. Minutes later, a Crimson [[Stinger (G.I. Joe)|Stinger]] arrives. A trio of Crimson Guards emerges, firing into the air and creating a panic. Roadblock immediately leaps into action, knocking out two of the Siegies in quick succession. The third aims the Stinger's machine gun at the Marvin's Melts truck, but Roadblock simply flips the jeep over, breaking the machine gun off.

Roadblock then follows after Tomax and Xamot's car in his truck, rear-ending them at a stoplight. The twins pull guns on him, but Roadblock simply pulls the machine gun from out of his truck and opens fire on them. The twins take cover behind their now totaled car until they are rescued by the Crimson Guard. As they drive off, Roadblock warns them to never return. Marvin turns to return to his truck, but the destruction has caused it to set on fire, much to his dismay.

Returning to the lot, he finds the community there cleaning up the mess. One of Marvin’s younger customers tells him that "[[Night Force|his friends]" helped them. Marvin questions where the police are, but [[Shooter]] informs him that they would prefer to keep things quiet. She then asks Marvin if they can talk, to which he asks how he can help her.

Meanwhile, in [[Springfield (G.I. Joe)|Springfield]], [[Astoria Carlton-Ritz|Chameleon]] and [[Mercer]] reflect on recent events, including the fact that the [[Dreadnok]]s are now working with [[Cobra]]. [[Destro]] meets with [[Cobra Commander]] in his secret lab, feigning relief at his safe return in order to hide his betrayal. The Commander takes it in stride, viewing the ordeal as a learning experience, as they now know more about [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'s operation; he then tells Destro that their focus needs to be on recovering the remaining deposits of [[Energon]] around [[Earth]]. Destro tells the Commander that he realizes how much Cobra needs him and asks that he finally reveal his origins to the Laid. The Commander says he will in due time, but that the Energon comes first. He then tells Destro that he believes he has found more than an ally in him, but a friend, which Destro reciprocates. However, as soon as Destro leaves, Cobra Commander activates a secret recording from the eyes of [[Major Bludd]], showing him that Destro was behind his attempted assassination.

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.<br>
{{Featuredcharacters
|h1=[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]|c1=
* [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]] (2)
* [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]] (3)
* [[Lady Jaye]] (8)
* [[Beachhead|Beach Head]] (9)
* [[Shooter]] (10)

|h2=[[Cobra]]|c2=
* [[Tomax and Xamot]] (4 & 5)
* [[Crimson Guard]]smen (6)
* [[Astoria Carlton-Ritz|Chameleon]] (16)
* [[Mercer]] (17)
* [[Destro]] (18)
* [[Cobra Commander]] (19)
* ''[[Major Bludd]]'' (20)

|h3=[[Dreadnok]]s|c3=
* [[Zartan]] (1)
* [[Ripper (G.I. Joe)|Ripper]] (11)
* [[Buzzer (G.I. Joe)|Buzzer]] (12)
* [[Torch (G.I. Joe)|Torch]] (13)
* [[Zandar]] (14)
* [[Zarana]] (15)

|h4=Others|c4=
* [[Miss Sally]] (4)
* Young Customer (7)
}}

==Quotes==
"Welcome to Marvin's Melts. '''''How can I help you have a cheesy day?'''''"
:—'''Roadblock''' greeting his customers.

"Where to next, brother?"<br/>
"I'd like to go to a '''nice''' restaurant to get the stink of that place off of me."<br/>
"It really was below our standing, wasn't it?"
:—'''Xamot''' and '''Tomax'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* Last issue revealed that the man we've known as [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Colonel Clayton "Hawk" Abernathy]] has actually been the Dreadnok leader Zartan in disguise. On the very first page of this issue, "Colonel Hawk" is seen touching his face to adjust the new mask he's wearing.
* Tomax and Xamot haven't been seen since [[G.I. Joe (2024) issue 6|issue #6]]. They've clearly kept busy while Cobra Commander and Destro have been struggling for control of Cobra.
* Cobra Commander has been searching for stockpiles of Energon hidden on Earth since the events of [[Cobra Commander (comic)|his eponymous miniseries]]. Earth having caches of Energon around the globe was also acknowledged in ''[[Transformers (2023 comic)|Transformers]]'' [[Transformers (2023) issue 25|#25]], where [[Shadow Watch]] was shown to have been stockpiling the substance for years.
* Cobra Commander provided Major Bludd with his cybernetic eye implants in [[G.I. Joe (2024) issue 12|issue #12]]. It makes sense that he would use them for his own subterfuge, as he watches the events of Destro’s betrayal from [[G.I. Joe (2024) issue 13|issues #13]] and [[G.I. Joe (2024) issue 14|#14]] play out from Bludd's perspective.

===G.I. Joe references===
* This issue homages an episode of the [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero]] cartoon, "[https://youtu.be/Mj-bcS4WC2s?si=ViP4WCFxkyc8uUOb Red Rocket's Glare]". In that episode, Roadblock's aunt and uncle are scammed into opening a Red Rocket burger franchise as part of a scheme by Extensive Enterprises.
* Roadblock tells a group of kids not to talk to strangers, echoing [https://youtu.be/vFthiZ_Jftc?si=8VvknucpsKT1gTCs one of the famous "Knowing is Half the Battle" PSAs] from the [[Sunbow Productions|Sunbow]] cartoon.
* Inside the Marvin's Melts truck, Roadblock has a postcard of Paris. His original filecard outlined that his dream was always to be a gourmet chef, with him joining the Army as a way to eventually pay for culinary school in France.
* The flashback to Roadblock’s time in the Army on page six depicts Roadblock in an outfit based on his original ''A Real American Hero'' look.
* Tomax and Xamot mention someone with "beach shirts", likely a reference to [[Chuckles]], G.I. Joe's undercover specialist. Chuckles has previously been connected to the Crimson Twins in the pages of [[IDW Publishing]]'s [[Hasbro Universe]] series ''G.I. Joe: Cobra''.

===Real life references===
* The {{w|Biloxi Lighthouse}} is visible in the background when Roadblock confronts Tomax and Xamot.

===Other notes===
* Energon Experience: Presented by Skybound Executive Editor Ben Abernathy.
** '''Character Spotlight:''' Hawk. Or, rather…
** '''Face the Music!:''' Zartan! We get to see a glimpse of Tom Reilly’s proper design for the Dreadnok leader, depicting him in his full hood and outfit, colored purple like the design from the Sunbow cartoon.
** '''Creator Spotlight:''' Ben asks letterer Rus Wooton who his favorite Dreadnok is. Rus loves [[Road Pig (G.I. Joe|Road Pig]].

===Covers===
* '''Cover A:''' Roadblock defends his truck with some serious firepower, by Tom Reilly.
* '''Cover B:''' Chameleon, by [[Kendrick Lim]].
* '''Cover C:''' Roadblock, by [[Ben Oliver]].
* '''Cover D (1:25 Copy Incentive):''' Roadblock on an explosion background, by [[Lucas Meyer]] and [[Adriano Lucas]].
* '''Cover E (1:50 Copy Incentive):''' Night Force (minus Shooter), by [[Michele Rubini]] and [[Romulo Fajarado Jr.]].
* '''Cover F (1:100 Copy Incentive):''' Night Force, by [[Patricia Martín]].

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File:G.I. Joe 2024 18 Cover C.jpg|
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===Ads===
* Explore the Energon Universe in ''[[Void Rivals]]'' [[Void Rivals issue 26|#26]], G.I. Joe #17, and ''[[Transformers (2023 comic)|Transformers]]'' [[Transformers (2023) issue 28|#28]].

===Reprints===
* '''''G.I. Joe Volume 3: Dreadnok War''''' <small>([[March 25]], [[2026]]) ISBN 1534333452 / ISBN 978-1534333451</small>
** Collects ''G.I. Joe'' issues #13–18.
** Trade paperback format.

<gallery>
File:G.I. Joe 2024 V3.jpg|'''''Volume 3: Dreadnok War''''' – cover art by Tom Reilly
</gallery>

[[Category:G.I. Joe (2024) issues]]

User:Ezim93/sandbox/activatealtmode

2025-10-19T23:59:11Z

Ezim93:

===''Vintage G1''===
[[File:Fan poll Vintage G1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
The next poll was announced via Hasbro Pulse and Hasbro's social media accounts on [[December 10]], 2018 to decide a future toy out of two pairs for release in the ''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' toyline in Spring of 2020. All polls were carried out on Hasbro Pulse's Instagram stories.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Which G1 classic bot do you want to see make a return to Walmart in Spring 2020? Cast your votes starting tomorrow on our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrNZyFMnQzk/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=10}}</ref>

Round 1 took place on [[December 11]], pitting Perceptor against Astrotrain,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Round 1: PERCEPTOR vs ASTROTRAIN. Which G1 classic bot do YOU want to see make a return to @Walmart in Spring 2020? VOTE NOW in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrP5UjxngRa/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=11}}</ref> and round 2 took place on [[December 12]], pitting Thundercracker against Skywarp.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Round 2: SKYWARP vs THUNDERCRACKER. Which G1 classic seeker do YOU want to go up against ASTROTRAIN in the finals to make a return? VOTE NOW in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrSem4SlAF7/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=12}}</ref> The final round took place on [[December 13]], as a decider between Astrotrain and Skywarp.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=FINAL ROUND: ASTROTRAIN vs SKYWARP. Which G1 classic do you want to make a return to @walmart in Spring 2020?! Vote now in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrVRhBzFn7h/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=13}}</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
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!Round 1!!Round 2!!Final Round
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] vs '''[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] vs '''[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
'''Astrotrain''' vs Skywarp
|}
On [[December 14]], Hasbro announced that Astrotrain had won,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=4 Bots entered, 1 was voted back! G1 ASTROTRAIN will return to @walmart in Spring 2020!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrX09NbFnFE/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=14}}</ref> though [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|his reissued toy]] unexpectedly hit shelves early in December 2019.
{{-}}

==2019==
===''Vintage G1''===
[[File:Fan poll Vintage G1 Facebook.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
On [[May 17]], [[2019]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook page held a surprisingly low key poll to determine another 2020 release in the ''Vintage G1'' line, using Facebook's built-in polling feature.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It's time to choose! Which one of these bots do YOU want to see as a G1 2020 @Walmart exclusive figure?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/2658418017561709|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=05|day=17|defunct=yes}}</ref>

{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
* '''[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'''
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
The poll was only open for 24 hours, and the following day it was announced that Blaster had won,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=In one of the closest races yet, you decided that BLASTER is gonna be the next G1 exclusive @Walmart. Look for this special edition bot in 2020!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2663510377052473|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=05|day=18}}</ref> receiving 56% of the vote.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/18/blaster-wins-the-walmart-exclusive-g1-reissue-2020-fan-vote-388380 "Blaster Wins The Walmart Exclusive G1 Reissue 2020 Fan Vote" on tfw2005.com]</ref> The [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|reissued Blaster]] went up for preorder in June 2020,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=You voted and now here he is, the Walmart G1 Reissue Fan Vote For 2020 -- Autobot Blaster! Who's adding this classic G1 figure to their shelf? (Cassette Tape not included 😜)|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/3944719742264857/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2020|month=06|day=28}}</ref> and was released in the subsequent October.
{{-}}

===''War for Cybertron Trilogy''===
[[File:Earthrise fan poll artwork.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
On [[June 12]], [[2019]], the same Facebook page posted that another fan poll was upcoming, with four mysteriously silhouetted Decepticons in the running for a place in [[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|the second chapter]] of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Can you identify the Decepticons shown below? Share your guesses in the comments! Once we reveal the identities of each shadowy figure, you’ll have the opportunity to decide which becomes a War for Cybertron figure in 2020.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2725416367528540/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=12}}</ref> The following day, the character selection was revealed, and hashtag-based voting began in the comments section.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Great guesses! The four bots are #GNAW, #RUNAMUCK, #NEEDLENOSE & #SHRAPNEL. As the War for Cybertron rages, each of these bots is trying to sneak onto the Autobot’s spaceship, the Ark. Vote for the Decepticon you’d like to stowaway aboard the Ark and see as a War for Cybertron figure in 2020 by commenting below. Limit one vote per user and one character name per vote. Voting closes in 48-Hours.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2727924640611046/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=13}}</ref>

{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
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* [[Gnaw (G1)|#Gnaw]]
* '''[[Runamuck (G1)|#Runamok]]''' {{sic}}
* [[Needlenose (G1)|#Needlenose]]
* [[Shrapnel (G1)|#Shrapnel]]
|}

Voting closed 48 hours later, with the accompanying image updated to spell Runamuck's name in the more traditional manner,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Thank you for telling us which Decepticon you’d like to see as a War for Cybertron figure in 2020! Voting has officially closed. The winner will be announced on July 17 |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2732923406777836/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=15}}</ref> suggesting votes with both hashtag variants were counted.

On [[July 18]], the page proclaimed Runamuck the winner,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The fans have spoken and #RUNAMUCK will become a Fall 2020 War for Cybertron figure! Wondering how he stowed away on the Ark? #RUNAMUCK entered through the cargo hold looking to cause some explosive damage. |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2819867618083414/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=19}}</ref> despite the fact that it appeared that Needlenose had the most votes.{{fact}} [[Runamuck (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Runamuck's toy]] materialised in ''War for Cybertron: Earthrise'' and, perhaps unsurprisingly, ''Earthrise'' [[Runabout (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Runabout]] soon followed... but then again, so did [[#Notes|new toys of all the other candidates]]!

{{-}}

==2025==
===Activate Your Alt Mode===
Througout the month of August 2025 several polls were held to give an existing Transformers character a brand new alt mode. Round 1 consisted of three polls to pick which character would receive the new alt mode.Round 2 focused on which alt mode category the winner should have. Round 3 featured four alt mode types to pick from.
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!Round 1: Character!!Round 2: Alt Mode Category!!Round: 3 Alt Mode Type
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|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]
*[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]
*'''[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Land
*Air
*'''Sea'''
*Wildcard
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Hoverboat
*Submarine
*Speedboat
*'''Creature'''
|}
In Round 1, Grimlock won the Autobot vote while Shockwave won the Deception vote, with Shockwave emerging triumphant in the last poll. During Round 2 voting, [[Nate Purswell]] clarified what the alt mode types for each category would be. Land consisted of creature, truck, train, or supercar. Sea consisted of Speedboat, Submarine, Creature, or Hoverboat. Air consisted of Jet, Helicopter, Creature, or Airship, And Wild Card had Weapon, Starfigher, Creature, or Device. Additionally Nate clarified that no fan art was going to be used as the design for the winner. Likely spurred on by commenters hoping for a Spinosaurus Shockwave inspired by a popular piece of fan art. Sea ended up the winner of the alt mode category and Creature ended up the winner for the alt mode type. The final design was revealed on [[September 17]], 2025. Shockwave would have a humpback whale alt mode. A design video featuring [[Evan Brooks]] went into detail on how they came up with the concept. Several different alt modes were considered such as a shark, manta ray, or squid. However they soon settled on a humpback whale and cited the recent [[Skybound Entertainment|Skybound]] comics and Shockwave's [[Transformers (2023) issue 10|fascination]] with the creatures as an influence.
[[File:Shockwhale.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
{{-}}

Nate clarifying alt modes: https://www.instagram.com/p/DNa1NTrOa77/
Evan on Shockwaves design: https://www.instagram.com/transformersofficial/reel/DOwJWpeia-Q/
Fan Vote Kickoff: https://www.instagram.com/transformersofficial/p/DNN6DCcyhmp/
Grimlock v Mirgae: https://www.instagram.com/transformersofficial/reel/DNQYBeVtvg-/
Shockwave v Starscream: https://www.instagram.com/transformersofficial/reel/DNTDi8LtgPm/
Grimlock v Shockwave: https://www.instagram.com/transformersofficial/reel/DNVhltLNI7n/
Shockwave Wins: https://www.instagram.com/transformersofficial/p/DNXxxI0ttwV/
Alt mode category vote: https://www.instagram.com/transformersofficial/p/DNfjJ-mOz6Y/
Sea Wins: https://www.instagram.com/transformersofficial/p/DNp9DGEt3Lo/
Alt mode type vote: https://www.instagram.com/transformersofficial/p/DNx9_pQ2pa9/
Final results: https://www.instagram.com/transformersofficial/p/DN74hnrDQq1/

User:Ezim93/sandbox/activatealtmode

2025-10-13T00:36:35Z

Ezim93:

User:Ezim93/sandbox/activatealtmode

2025-09-21T00:48:17Z

Ezim93:

===''Vintage G1''===
[[File:Fan poll Vintage G1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
The next poll was announced via Hasbro Pulse and Hasbro's social media accounts on [[December 10]], 2018 to decide a future toy out of two pairs for release in the ''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' toyline in Spring of 2020. All polls were carried out on Hasbro Pulse's Instagram stories.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Which G1 classic bot do you want to see make a return to Walmart in Spring 2020? Cast your votes starting tomorrow on our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrNZyFMnQzk/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=10}}</ref>

Round 1 took place on [[December 11]], pitting Perceptor against Astrotrain,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Round 1: PERCEPTOR vs ASTROTRAIN. Which G1 classic bot do YOU want to see make a return to @Walmart in Spring 2020? VOTE NOW in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrP5UjxngRa/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=11}}</ref> and round 2 took place on [[December 12]], pitting Thundercracker against Skywarp.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Round 2: SKYWARP vs THUNDERCRACKER. Which G1 classic seeker do YOU want to go up against ASTROTRAIN in the finals to make a return? VOTE NOW in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrSem4SlAF7/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=12}}</ref> The final round took place on [[December 13]], as a decider between Astrotrain and Skywarp.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=FINAL ROUND: ASTROTRAIN vs SKYWARP. Which G1 classic do you want to make a return to @walmart in Spring 2020?! Vote now in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrVRhBzFn7h/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=13}}</ref>
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!Round 1!!Round 2!!Final Round
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|width="33%" valign="top"|
[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] vs '''[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] vs '''[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
'''Astrotrain''' vs Skywarp
|}
On [[December 14]], Hasbro announced that Astrotrain had won,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=4 Bots entered, 1 was voted back! G1 ASTROTRAIN will return to @walmart in Spring 2020!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrX09NbFnFE/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=14}}</ref> though [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|his reissued toy]] unexpectedly hit shelves early in December 2019.
{{-}}

==2019==
===''Vintage G1''===
[[File:Fan poll Vintage G1 Facebook.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
On [[May 17]], [[2019]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook page held a surprisingly low key poll to determine another 2020 release in the ''Vintage G1'' line, using Facebook's built-in polling feature.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It's time to choose! Which one of these bots do YOU want to see as a G1 2020 @Walmart exclusive figure?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/2658418017561709|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=05|day=17|defunct=yes}}</ref>

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|width="33%" valign="top"|
* '''[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'''
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
The poll was only open for 24 hours, and the following day it was announced that Blaster had won,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=In one of the closest races yet, you decided that BLASTER is gonna be the next G1 exclusive @Walmart. Look for this special edition bot in 2020!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2663510377052473|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=05|day=18}}</ref> receiving 56% of the vote.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/18/blaster-wins-the-walmart-exclusive-g1-reissue-2020-fan-vote-388380 "Blaster Wins The Walmart Exclusive G1 Reissue 2020 Fan Vote" on tfw2005.com]</ref> The [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|reissued Blaster]] went up for preorder in June 2020,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=You voted and now here he is, the Walmart G1 Reissue Fan Vote For 2020 -- Autobot Blaster! Who's adding this classic G1 figure to their shelf? (Cassette Tape not included 😜)|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/3944719742264857/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2020|month=06|day=28}}</ref> and was released in the subsequent October.
{{-}}

===''War for Cybertron Trilogy''===
[[File:Earthrise fan poll artwork.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
On [[June 12]], [[2019]], the same Facebook page posted that another fan poll was upcoming, with four mysteriously silhouetted Decepticons in the running for a place in [[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|the second chapter]] of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Can you identify the Decepticons shown below? Share your guesses in the comments! Once we reveal the identities of each shadowy figure, you’ll have the opportunity to decide which becomes a War for Cybertron figure in 2020.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2725416367528540/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=12}}</ref> The following day, the character selection was revealed, and hashtag-based voting began in the comments section.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Great guesses! The four bots are #GNAW, #RUNAMUCK, #NEEDLENOSE & #SHRAPNEL. As the War for Cybertron rages, each of these bots is trying to sneak onto the Autobot’s spaceship, the Ark. Vote for the Decepticon you’d like to stowaway aboard the Ark and see as a War for Cybertron figure in 2020 by commenting below. Limit one vote per user and one character name per vote. Voting closes in 48-Hours.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2727924640611046/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=13}}</ref>

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* [[Gnaw (G1)|#Gnaw]]
* '''[[Runamuck (G1)|#Runamok]]''' {{sic}}
* [[Needlenose (G1)|#Needlenose]]
* [[Shrapnel (G1)|#Shrapnel]]
|}

Voting closed 48 hours later, with the accompanying image updated to spell Runamuck's name in the more traditional manner,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Thank you for telling us which Decepticon you’d like to see as a War for Cybertron figure in 2020! Voting has officially closed. The winner will be announced on July 17 |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2732923406777836/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=15}}</ref> suggesting votes with both hashtag variants were counted.

On [[July 18]], the page proclaimed Runamuck the winner,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The fans have spoken and #RUNAMUCK will become a Fall 2020 War for Cybertron figure! Wondering how he stowed away on the Ark? #RUNAMUCK entered through the cargo hold looking to cause some explosive damage. |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2819867618083414/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=19}}</ref> despite the fact that it appeared that Needlenose had the most votes.{{fact}} [[Runamuck (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Runamuck's toy]] materialised in ''War for Cybertron: Earthrise'' and, perhaps unsurprisingly, ''Earthrise'' [[Runabout (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Runabout]] soon followed... but then again, so did [[#Notes|new toys of all the other candidates]]!

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==2025==
===Activate Your Alt Mode===
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!Round 1: Character!!Round 2: Alt Mode Category!!Round: 3 Alt Mode Type
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|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]
*[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]
*'''[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
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*Land
*Air
*'''Sea'''
*Wildcard
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*Hoverboat
*Submarine
*Speedboat
*'''Creature'''
|}
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Ezim93:

===''Vintage G1''===
[[File:Fan poll Vintage G1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
The next poll was announced via Hasbro Pulse and Hasbro's social media accounts on [[December 10]], 2018 to decide a future toy out of two pairs for release in the ''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' toyline in Spring of 2020. All polls were carried out on Hasbro Pulse's Instagram stories.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Which G1 classic bot do you want to see make a return to Walmart in Spring 2020? Cast your votes starting tomorrow on our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrNZyFMnQzk/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=10}}</ref>

Round 1 took place on [[December 11]], pitting Perceptor against Astrotrain,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Round 1: PERCEPTOR vs ASTROTRAIN. Which G1 classic bot do YOU want to see make a return to @Walmart in Spring 2020? VOTE NOW in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrP5UjxngRa/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=11}}</ref> and round 2 took place on [[December 12]], pitting Thundercracker against Skywarp.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Round 2: SKYWARP vs THUNDERCRACKER. Which G1 classic seeker do YOU want to go up against ASTROTRAIN in the finals to make a return? VOTE NOW in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrSem4SlAF7/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=12}}</ref> The final round took place on [[December 13]], as a decider between Astrotrain and Skywarp.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=FINAL ROUND: ASTROTRAIN vs SKYWARP. Which G1 classic do you want to make a return to @walmart in Spring 2020?! Vote now in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrVRhBzFn7h/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=13}}</ref>
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[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] vs '''[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'''
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[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] vs '''[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]'''
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'''Astrotrain''' vs Skywarp
|}
On [[December 14]], Hasbro announced that Astrotrain had won,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=4 Bots entered, 1 was voted back! G1 ASTROTRAIN will return to @walmart in Spring 2020!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrX09NbFnFE/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=14}}</ref> though [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|his reissued toy]] unexpectedly hit shelves early in December 2019.
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==2019==
===''Vintage G1''===
[[File:Fan poll Vintage G1 Facebook.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
On [[May 17]], [[2019]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook page held a surprisingly low key poll to determine another 2020 release in the ''Vintage G1'' line, using Facebook's built-in polling feature.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It's time to choose! Which one of these bots do YOU want to see as a G1 2020 @Walmart exclusive figure?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/2658418017561709|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=05|day=17|defunct=yes}}</ref>

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|width="33%" valign="top"|
* '''[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'''
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
The poll was only open for 24 hours, and the following day it was announced that Blaster had won,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=In one of the closest races yet, you decided that BLASTER is gonna be the next G1 exclusive @Walmart. Look for this special edition bot in 2020!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2663510377052473|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=05|day=18}}</ref> receiving 56% of the vote.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/18/blaster-wins-the-walmart-exclusive-g1-reissue-2020-fan-vote-388380 "Blaster Wins The Walmart Exclusive G1 Reissue 2020 Fan Vote" on tfw2005.com]</ref> The [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|reissued Blaster]] went up for preorder in June 2020,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=You voted and now here he is, the Walmart G1 Reissue Fan Vote For 2020 -- Autobot Blaster! Who's adding this classic G1 figure to their shelf? (Cassette Tape not included 😜)|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/3944719742264857/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2020|month=06|day=28}}</ref> and was released in the subsequent October.
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===''War for Cybertron Trilogy''===
[[File:Earthrise fan poll artwork.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
On [[June 12]], [[2019]], the same Facebook page posted that another fan poll was upcoming, with four mysteriously silhouetted Decepticons in the running for a place in [[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|the second chapter]] of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Can you identify the Decepticons shown below? Share your guesses in the comments! Once we reveal the identities of each shadowy figure, you’ll have the opportunity to decide which becomes a War for Cybertron figure in 2020.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2725416367528540/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=12}}</ref> The following day, the character selection was revealed, and hashtag-based voting began in the comments section.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Great guesses! The four bots are #GNAW, #RUNAMUCK, #NEEDLENOSE & #SHRAPNEL. As the War for Cybertron rages, each of these bots is trying to sneak onto the Autobot’s spaceship, the Ark. Vote for the Decepticon you’d like to stowaway aboard the Ark and see as a War for Cybertron figure in 2020 by commenting below. Limit one vote per user and one character name per vote. Voting closes in 48-Hours.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2727924640611046/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=13}}</ref>

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* [[Gnaw (G1)|#Gnaw]]
* '''[[Runamuck (G1)|#Runamok]]''' {{sic}}
* [[Needlenose (G1)|#Needlenose]]
* [[Shrapnel (G1)|#Shrapnel]]
|}

Voting closed 48 hours later, with the accompanying image updated to spell Runamuck's name in the more traditional manner,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Thank you for telling us which Decepticon you’d like to see as a War for Cybertron figure in 2020! Voting has officially closed. The winner will be announced on July 17 |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2732923406777836/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=15}}</ref> suggesting votes with both hashtag variants were counted.

On [[July 18]], the page proclaimed Runamuck the winner,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The fans have spoken and #RUNAMUCK will become a Fall 2020 War for Cybertron figure! Wondering how he stowed away on the Ark? #RUNAMUCK entered through the cargo hold looking to cause some explosive damage. |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2819867618083414/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=19}}</ref> despite the fact that it appeared that Needlenose had the most votes.{{fact}} [[Runamuck (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Runamuck's toy]] materialised in ''War for Cybertron: Earthrise'' and, perhaps unsurprisingly, ''Earthrise'' [[Runabout (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Runabout]] soon followed... but then again, so did [[#Notes|new toys of all the other candidates]]!

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==2025==
===Activate Your Alt Mode===
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!Round 1!!Round 2!!Final Round
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[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] vs '''[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'''
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[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] vs '''[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]'''
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'''Astrotrain''' vs Skywarp
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{{disambig2|the votes that directly determine new toy releases|the votes to honor important ''Transformers'' characters and creators|Transformers Hall of Fame|Hall of Fame}}

[[File:Fan Built Bot webpage.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb]]
Throughout the 2010s, [[Hasbro]] ran nearly-annual polls for the [[fandom]] to decide on future toy production. Initially, these '''Fan Built Bot''' polls focussed on the creation of new fan-influenced characters and toys, with voters being able to choose these characters' alternate modes, colourways, and personalities.

Eventually, these polls began to more closely resemble similar votes ran by [[TakaraTomy]], merely allowing fans to choose which out of a list of pre-existing characters would see a new toy release.

{{quote|BE A PART OF FAN BUILT|The slogan for the ''Combiner Wars'' poll}}

==2013==
===''Generations'' Fan Built Bot===
For the first Fan Built Bot, polls were conducted on transformers.com over the course of a week each. The first round was held between [[April 18]]th and [[May 5]]th, and included the following questions:<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130420103345/http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/TRANSFORMERS-FAN-BUILT-BOT-POLL.cfm TRANSFORMERS FAN BUILT BOT POLL round 1 (archived)]</ref>
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!Faction!!Alternate mode!!Signature Weapon!!Color Scheme!!Personality
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|
* '''[[Autobot]]'''
* [[Decepticon]]
|width="20%" valign="top"|
* Car
* Truck
* Tank
* '''Jet'''
* Spaceship
* Terran Beast (Land)
* Avian Beast (Airborne)
* Helicopter
* Motorcycle
* Construction
|width="20%" valign="top"|
* Blaster Cannon
* Flame Thrower
* '''Sword'''
* Mace
* Spear/Harpoon
* Morningstar
* Cybertronian Taser
* Nunchucks
* Crossbow
* Long-Range Blaster
|width="20%" valign="top"|
* '''Red & Black'''
* Green & Gold
* Blue & Silver
* Orange & White
* Purple & Bronze
|width="20%" valign="top"|
* '''Valiant'''
* Sneaky
* Hotshot
* Secretive
* Wildman
* Grumpy
|}

The second round was held between [[May 10]]th and [[May 17]]th, and consisted of four more questions:<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130510182651/http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/TRANSFORMERS-FAN-BUILT-BOT-POLL.cfm TRANSFORMERS FAN BUILT BOT POLL round 2 (archived)]</ref>
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!Name!!Gender!!Origin!!Specialty
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* Autobot Eclipse
* Charon
* Centuritron
* Cashtron
* '''Windblade'''
* Autobot Wraith
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* Male
* '''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* '''[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]'''
* [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
* [[Altihex]]
* [[Kalis]]
* [[Praxus]]
|width="25%" valign="top"|
* Combat Medic
* Bodyguard
* Recon
* '''Telepath'''
* Close Combat Specialist
|}

The result, [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], was revealed first in art form at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2013, with [[Windblade (G1)#Generations|her toy]] subsequently revealed at [[Toy Fair 2014]] for release in the tenth wave of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Thrilling 30|Generations: Thrilling 30]]'' [[Size class|Deluxe Class]] toys. In fiction, she starred in her own [[The Transformers: Windblade|four-issue miniseries]] from [[IDW Publishing]] and remained a prominent character until the end of [[2005 IDW continuity|that continuity]]. (Though her origin of Kaon from the poll was dropped, owing to the scarcity of [[female Transformer]]s on Cybertron in that particular fictional universe, with her instead being portrayed as coming from the colony [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]]; similarly, her broad telepathy instead became [[Cityspeaker|Cityspeaking]].)

Due to the character's popularity, [[Windblade (RID)|different]] [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|incarnations]] of Windblade were also featured in the ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]'' cartoons.

===''Masterpiece'' Fan's Choice===
[[File:Masterpiece Fan's Choice.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
To commemorate ''Transformers''{{'}} 30th anniversary, TakaraTomy held a poll to decide which Japanese Autobot or Maximal leader would get a new toy in the prestigious ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toyline. The poll began on [[June 18]]th with a closing date of [[August 31]], before being extended to [[September 6]]th. Voters were required to send their ballot form by post along with a requisite amount of [[Robot Point]]s collected from ''[[Transformers: Generations (Japan)|Generations]]'', ''[[Triple Combination: Transformers Go! (toyline)|Go!]]'', and ''[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|GT]]'' releases, or from in person at the 2013 Tokyo Toy Show.<ref>[https://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/tf30th/vote.html Voting Method | Transformers 30th Anniversary Site 「Masterpiece Fan's Choice」] on the TakaraTomy website</ref>
{|class="wikitable sortable"
|-
!
!class="unsortable" |Candidate
!Result
|-
|1.
|[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] (''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)#Transformers: The Headmasters|The Headmasters]]'')
|0.3%
|-
|2.
|[[Ginrai (human)|Super Ginrai]] (''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)#Transformers: Super-God Masterforce|Super-God Masterforce]]'')
|18.6%
|-
|3.
|'''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]''' (''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)#Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory|Victory]]'')
|31.2%
|-
|4.
|[[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]] (''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)#Transformers: Zone|Zone]]'')
|8.0%
|-
|5.
|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Convoy]] (''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'')
|4.6%
|-
|6.
|[[Lio Convoy]] (''[[Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers#Beast Wars II|Beast Wars II]]'')
|2.0%
|-
|7.
|[[Big Convoy]] (''[[Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers#Beast Wars Neo|Beast Wars Neo]]'')
|2.1%
|-
|8.
|[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Super Fire Convoy]] (''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Car Robots]]'')
|4.9%
|-
|9.
|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Convoy]] (''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Legends of the Microns]]'')
|24.3%
|-
|10.
|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Grand Convoy]] (''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Super Link]]'')
|1.5%
|-
|11.
|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Galaxy Convoy]] (''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Galaxy Force]]'')
|2.5%
|-
|}

On [[November 19]], TakaraTomy representatives announced that Star Saber had won with 31.2% of the votes, followed by ''Legends of the Microns'' Convoy (24.3%) and Ginrai (18.6%). No other candidate received more than 8% of votes.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNS4COKWqPc "Transformers Masterpiece Fans Choice Results Announcement"] on the TakaraTomy YouTube channel</ref> [[Star Saber (G1)#Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'' Star Saber]] was released on [[March 21]], [[2015]]. [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|''Beast Wars'' Convoy]] and [[Lio Convoy#Masterpiece|Lio Convoy]] would go on to receive ''Masterpiece'' toys in 2016 and 2020 respectively, while [[Ginrai (human)#MPG|Super Ginrai]] would receive one in the subsequent ''[[The Transformers: MPG|MPG]]'' line in 2024.

==2014==
===''Generations'' Magazine Exclusive Character Popularity Vote===
[[File:TFGenerations2014 fan poll.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
TakaraTomy and [[Hero-X|Million Publishing]] ran a poll through the [[Transformers Generations 2014 Volume 1|first volume of ''Transformers Generations 2014'']] to determine the mail-away figure for the upcoming [[Transformers Generations 2014 Volume 2|second volume]]. In addition, the winning character would also appear in that volume's original manga story by [[Yuki Ohshima]]. A box above the selection of ten characters noted that a partner figure such as a [[Mini-Con|Micron]] would be considered for the winner; Alpha Trion was noted as coming with a [[Primus#Japanese Generation 1 Cartoon continuity|Vector Sigma]] accessory, presumably to be a golden redeco of [[Eggbot (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Eggbot]] as seen in the volume's manga story, "[[Train Wars]]".

Voting was done via post, as part of the same included postcard buyers could use to purchase Volume 1's exclusive mail-away toy, [[Shouki#Generations (Japan)|Shouki]]. The deadline for votes was [[June 16]], a good three months before the availability window for Shouki closed in September.
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|-
!
!class="unsortable" |Candidate
!Result
|-
|1.
|[[Alpha Trion/toys#Generations (Japan)|Alpha Trion]] from [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Generations|''Generations'' Scourge]]
|28.9%
|-
|2.
|[[The Fallen/toys#Generations (Japan)|The Fallen]] from [[Onslaught (WFC)#Toys|''Generations Fall of Cybertron'' Onslaught]]/[[Ruination (FOC)#Toys|Ruination]]
|5%
|-
|3.
|"[[Cordon (G1)#Toys|Sunstreaker Police Type]]" <span style="font-size:80%">(placeholder name)</span> from [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Sunstreaker]]
|3.8%
|-
|4.
|[[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Generations (Japan)|Smokescreen]] from [[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Smokescreen]]
|2.9%
|-
|5.
|"[[Drift (G1)#Generations (Japan)|Autobot Drift Black Ver.]]" <span style="font-size:80%">(placeholder name)</span> from [[Drift (G1)#Generations|''Generations'' Drift]]
|12.7%
|-
|6.
|[[Overdrive#Generations (Japan)|Overdrive]] from [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Silverstreak]]
|2.9%
|-
|7.
|[[Downshift (G1)#Generations (Japan)|Camshaft]] from [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Generations|''Generations'' Wheeljack]]
|1%
|-
|8.
|[[Camshaft (G1)#Generations (Japan)|Downshift]] from [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Ironhide]]
|1.6%
|-
|9.
|[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)#Generations (Japan)|Metals Silverbolt]] from [[Grimwing (Prime)#Toys|''Prime'' Grimwing]]
|14.8%
|-
|10.
|'''[[Goshooter#Generations (Japan)|Goshooter]] from [[Nightbeat (G1)#Generations|''Generations'' Nightbeat]]'''
|29.3%
|-
|}

On [[July 22]], Million Publishing announced that Goshooter had won with 29.3% of the votes, with Alpha Trion a close second at 28.9%.<ref>[http://millionhero.sblo.jp/article/101898683.html "Transformers Generations 2014 Volume 2" Magazine Exclusive Character Popularity Vote Result Announcement] on the Hero-X website</ref> Consequently, [[Goshooter#Generations (Japan)|Goshooter]] was made available as a mail-away with ''Transformers Generations 2014 Volume 2'', now partnered with a [[Micromaster]] toy of his human counterpart, [[Shūta Gō#Generations (Japan)|Shūta Gō]], and the duo took centre stage in "[[Train Wars 2]]".
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==2015==
===''Combiner Wars'' Fan Built Combiner===
[[File:Fan poll A Call to Arms and Legs.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
Following in the footsteps of the Fan Built Bot poll, the Fan Built Combiner poll (a.k.a. the Fan Built ''Combiner Wars'' poll) was announced on [[January 15]], 2015, with the goal of creating a whole new character for the then-current ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' toyline.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It's coming! You and your fellow fans will soon be able to vote to help shape the Fan Built Combiner Bot in the official Transformers app!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/774352252634971/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=01|day=15}}</ref>

Voting was done via the official ''Transformers'' mobile app, and the first round ran from [[January 25]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The Transformers brand app is all new right now, with new Transformers Generations content including the vote for the Fan Built Combiner.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/778728762197320/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=01|day=25}}</ref> to [[February 1]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Only one more day to get your votes in on the first round of the Transformers Fan Built Combiner poll.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/780911735312356/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=01|day=31}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=Millions believe {{w|Super Bowl XLIX|today’s game}} is the year’s biggest matchup. But we all know the real battle is over the Fan Built Combiner character.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/780913261978870/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=01}}</ref>

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!Faction!!Torso and weapon!!Limbs
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
* '''[[Autobot]]'''
* [[Decepticon]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
* [[Silverbolt (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Je]][[Powerglide (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|ts]]
* [[Motormaster (G1)#Combiner Wars|Truck]] and [[Blackjack (G1)#Combiner Wars|car]]
* '''[[Hot Spot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Fire truck]] and [[Groove (G1)#Combiner Wars|motorcycle]]'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
* [[Aerialbot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Jet]]/[[Alpha Bravo#Combiner Wars|Helicopter]]
* [[Offroad (CW)#Combiner Wars|Truck]]
* [[Stunticon (G1)#Combiner Wars|Car]]
|}
The choices in this round consisted of molds from the first three waves of ''Combiner Wars''–notably, the fire truck/motorcycle torso option pre-empted any official announcement of the third wave's Hot Spot and Groove. Each limb was voted on individually, while the torso and weapon components were presented as a set. On [[February 5]], the combiner was announced as an Autobot.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The humans have spoken. Congratulations, Autobots, the Fan Built Combiner character will join your faction in the near feature. {{sic}} |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/783748698361993/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=05}}</ref>

Round 2 began on [[February 11]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It’s time to help choose the limbs of the Fan Built Combiner character. Cast your vote in the Transformers app now.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/784595794943950/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=11}}</ref> and included polls to narrow down the choice of limbs from two aerial vehicles and two cars to more specific mold options. This round ran at least until [[February 16]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Optimus Prime wants you... to do your earthling duty and cast your Fan Built Combiner vote in the Transformers app today.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/789497691120427/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=16}}</ref>
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* [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)/toys#Combiner Wars|Bomber]]
* [[Fireflight (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|Recon Plane]]
* '''Helicopter'''
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* [[Drag Strip (G1)#Combiner Wars|Drag Racer]]
* [[Dead End (G1)#Combiner Wars|'''Sports Car''']]
* [[Breakdown (G1)#Combiner Wars|'''Race Car''']]
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* [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
* [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]
* '''[[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]'''
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* Blue/cyan/tan
* Orange/grey/blue
* '''Cyan/red/white'''
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A bonus round also took place via the [[Toys"R"Us]] Twitter between [[February 17]] and [[February 28|28]] to select which special power the Combiner would have.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=What power should the Fan Built Combiner character have? Head to the Toys "R" Us Twitter handle now to help choose|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/791139454289584/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=18}}</ref> The tweet is still up.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=YOU can help create the Transformers fan-built Combiner! Choose a power & vote with the hashtag through 2/28.|link=https://twitter.com/ToysRUs/status/568092613775118336|name=Toys"R"Us|site=Twitter|year=2015|month=02|day=18|}}</ref>

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!Power
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* [[Earthquake (event)|Earthquake]]
* '''Gravity control'''
* Teleport
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By [[February 19]], the app had updated to reveal the Sea of Rust as the chosen origin.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/the-combiner-wars-autobot-fanbuilt-combiner-hails-from-the-sea-of-rust/32272/ "The Combiner Wars Autobot Fan-Built Combiner Hails From The Sea Of Rust" on Seibertron.com]</ref>

The final round of voting began on [[February 26]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Today, the final phase of voting for the Fan Built Combiner character begins.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/794613113942218/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=02|day=26}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=Phase III voting for the Combiner character is on, and there are some big decisions to make.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/795117220558474/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=03|day=02}}</ref> and ended on [[March 5]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Only one day left to decide the fate of the Fan Built Combiner character.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/797188030351393/?__tn__=%2CO* |name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=03|day=04}}</ref>
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* Male
* '''Female'''
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* '''Victorion'''
* Slammoth
* Quakebreak
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* Loyal
* '''Independent'''
* Leader
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* [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]
* '''[[Galvatronus (CW)|Galvatronus]]'''
* [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]
|}

On [[April 1]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook announced that the Fan Built Combiner was being scrapped in favour of a new toy of [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] – [[April Fools' Day|April Fools]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Due to issues with the voting mechanism, we have to make some executive decisions on the Fan-Built Combiner. Here’s a sneak peek at what we’re thinking!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/811433335593529/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=04|day=01}}</ref> A more serious update was shared on [[April 13]], when it was announced that the new Combiner's rival would be [[Galvatronus (CW)|Galvatronus]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The new fan built combiner already has a big problem: Galvatronus. Do you think this new bot is going to have what it takes to stand up to him?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/817234415013421/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=04|day=13}}</ref>

[[Victorion]], the resulting female Combiner, was revealed in all her glory on [[July 9]] at [[San Diego Comic-Con]]<ref>{{citesocial|quote=FROM LASERBEAK: Just released, straight from San Diego Comic-Con: a full look at the Fan Built Combiner character: Autobot Victorion. Is it 2016 yet?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/858405857562943|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=07|day=09}}</ref> where she also made her fictional debut in [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[An Uneventful Night|Combiner Hunters]]'' one-shot comic ahead of joining the main cast of the ongoing [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] series. After her box art was revealed on [[January 2]], [[2016]],<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Enjoy some of the original art behind your Fan Built Combiner, Victorion.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/942310135839181/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2016|month=02|day=01}}</ref> [[Victorion#Combiner Wars|her toy]] was released in April that year.

===''Titans Return'' Titan Class Toy Release===
[[File:Titans Return fan vote.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
The next fan poll, announced [[November 20]], 2015, regarded who would be the next year's Titan Class figure for ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'', following [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Titans Return|Fortress Maximus]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=With the epic Titans Return chapter of the Generations Prime Wars Trilogy comes a new line of Titan Class toys. It’s about time these legendary, city sized Titans hit shelves. Fortress Maximus will lead the release, and we need YOU to choose his successor. Scorponok, Trypticon and Omega Supreme will be stumping for your vote this week.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/926167814120080/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=11|day=20}}</ref>

The subsequent days revealed campaign posters for "You Can't Knock Scorponok",<ref>{{citesocial|quote=With a strong head on his shoulders that never turns to retreat, Scorponok is prepared to succeed Fortress Maximus in the Generations Titans Return Titan Class Toy Release—so he claims. Is he really the Decepticon to turn to when there’s crisis afoot—or is he just the one creating it?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/926168160786712/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=11|day=21}}</ref> "Move On With Trypticon",<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Always on the front lines, this destructive Dinobot was never afraid to get his feet wet in battle—as long as it was on dry land. As your Generations Titans Return Titan Class Toy Release successor, he promises to blaze a trail forward no matter what gets in his way. Do you believe he can handle the heat outside of battle?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/926168680786660/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=11|day=22}}</ref> and "I'm On Team Omega Supreme".<ref>{{citesocial|quote=An Autobot of wait-and-see diplomacy, Omega Supreme has stood sentinel over cities and is ready to stand behind Fortress Maximus in the Generations Titans Return Titan Class Toy Release—so he says. Is this old-timer insider the one to get the job done?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/926168920786636/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=11|day=23}}</ref>

Voting opened on [[November 24]] and closed within fourteen hours.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=You heard from your Titans, and now it’s time to cast your vote. Who deserves to serve as the successor to Fortress Maximus in the Generations Titans Return Titan Class Toy Release? Comment below with #VoteScorponok, #VoteTrypticon or #VoteOmegaSupreme —only hashtag votes on this post will be counted. Voting is open all day, so cast your vote now, and start stating your case!" This was later edited to lead with "The polls are closed - thanks for voting!
|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/926169094119952/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=11|day=24}}</ref> Voters had to respond to the post with the hashtag of their selected candidate, and would even receive a (virtual) "I Voted" badge emblazoned with the image of their chosen character.
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* '''[[Trypticon (G1)|#VoteTrypticon]]'''
* [[Omega Supreme (G1)|#VoteOmegaSupreme]]
* [[Scorponok (G1)|#VoteScorponok]]
|}
On [[December 1]], Hasbro announced that [[Trypticon (G1)#Titans Return|Trypticon]] had won.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=There truly is nothing that can stand in the way of Trypticon. With your votes, he smashed his way to becoming the next Generations Titans Return Titan Class toy. Mark your calendars, and look for him to hit shelves late 2017.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/931380200265508/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2015|month=12|day=11}}</ref> The toy hit shelves in 2017.
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==2017==
===''Power of the Primes'' Fan Vote===
[[File:Fan poll Who's Your Prime.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
The next set of fan polls was announced on [[December 1]], 2016 for ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)|Power of the Primes]]'', and allowed fans to choose the next [[Matrix of Leadership]] bearer to "set[...] the tone for all things in the Transformers universe", with the winner to feature in the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy]]'' storytelling and accompanying toyline.<ref>[https://tfwiki.tumblr.com/post/153921009773/hasbro-lets-fans-shape-the-future-of-the The Hasbro press release announcing the ''Power of the Primes'' poll, archived on the TFWiki.net tumblr]</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=Ready to write the next chapter of the Transformers story? This January, YOU choose the next Prime who’ll lead Cybertron after the Titans Return. From nine potential candidates, the next bearer of the Matrix of Leadership will be chosen!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1241777612559097/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2016|month=12|day=1}}</ref>

The first round of voting opened on [[January 23]], [[2017]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=You have the power to vote to shape the Transformers Universe. At transformers.com/vote, you can choose the faction (HONOR, CHAOS or ORDER) you’d like to lead Cybertron. Vote now!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1272396496163875/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=01|day=23}}</ref> Voters were tasked with selecting one candidate from each group: Honor, Chaos, and Order. They were allowed to repeat this process once every twenty-four hours.

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!Honor!!Chaos!!Order
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* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]
* '''[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'''
* [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]
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* '''[[Deathsaurus (G1)|Unknown Evil]]'''
* [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]
* '''[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]'''
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* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]
* [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
* '''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'''
|}

As January came to a close, Hasbro announced the successful candidates: Ultra Magnus,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Fans have chosen Ultra Magnus as the representative for the Honor faction. Vote for him at transformers.com/vote if you want to see the Cybertronian way of life restored so its Golden Age. Voting opens 2/1!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1334355349967989/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=1|day=28}}</ref> Optimus Primal,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Fans have chosen a Chaos candidate. And if you want to see Optimus Primal claim the Matrix of Leadership with their might, vote opens on 2/1 at transformers.com/vote. Only the strong shall survive.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1334358076634383/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=1|day=29}}</ref> Star Saber,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Those of the New Order believe the old ways have shackled Cybertron. And now fans have chosen an Order candidate - Star Saber. Grant them the power of the Matrix of Leadership by voting on 2/1 at transformers.com/vote.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1334359143300943/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=1|day=30}}</ref> and the mysterious "Unknown Evil",<ref>{{citesocial|quote=In our search for the next bearer of the Matrix of Leadership, fans have chosen a wildcard candidate - Unknown Evil. Now it's time for you to decide who will claim the Matrix's power at transformers.com/vote. Voting opens 2/1.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1334451716625019/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=1|day=31}}</ref> a "wildcard" candidate who had received the highest number of votes out of all the runners-up. The second round of voting began on [[February 1]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Only one from each faction and a Wildcard remain. It’s time for the final vote. Select the Prime and decide who leads Cyberton in the next chapter. Who has your vote?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1342064762530381/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=2|day=1}}</ref>

On [[February 18]], Hasbro announced that Optimus Primal had ultimately placed first,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Fans have spoken. Optimus Primal is your next Prime, the bearer of Matrix of Leadership, and the new leader in the Transformers lore! Did they have your vote?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/1362620857141438/?__tn__=%2CO* F|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2017|month=2|day=18}}</ref> followed by Unknown Evil–now revealed as Deathsaurus–Ultra Magnus, and Star Saber in second, third, and fourth place respectively.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2017/02/18/toy-fair-2017-transformers-panel-coverage-333630 Toy Fair 2017 Transformers Panel Coverage at tfw2005.com]</ref> The prototype of Primal's toy was first shown off at [[HasCon 2017]], leading to [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Power of the Primes|a pair of releases]] in ''Power of the Primes'' in mid-2018 and a prominent role in the [[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|tie-in web series]].

{{see|Source:Power of the Primes Fan Vote|''Power of the Primes'' fan poll}}
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==2018==
===''War for Cybertron Trilogy''===
[[File:Siege fan poll artwork.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
[[Toy Fair 2018]] saw the announcement of the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' franchise, and though nothing concrete was revealed about the then-upcoming line, fans were promised the opportunity to vote for a pair of Deluxe Class characters to be included in the trilogy's [[War for Cybertron: Siege|first chapter]].

The polls opened on [[February 20]], with voting taking place on the ''Transformers'' brand Facebook page,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Vote via hashtag for the rivalry you want to see as Deluxe Class figures. The vote ends Friday!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/videos/1827437210659798/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2018|month=02|day=20}}</ref> Instagram account,<ref>Ditto for {{citesocial|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfa1yR5F2VN/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=02|day=20|defunct=yes}}</ref> and Twitter replies.<ref>Ditto for {{citesocial|link=https://twitter.com/Hasbro/status/966334074402082816|name=Hasbro|site=Twitter|year=2018|month=02|day=21}}</ref> [[Hasbro Pulse]]–which at this point in its existence was a collector-oriented news site–revealed the story reasoning behind each pair of rivals.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20180223174748/http://pulse.hasbro.com/news/war-cybertron-fan-vote-here WAR FOR CYBERTRON FAN VOTE IS HERE] on the former Hasbro Pulse website (archived)</ref> On [[February 23]], the final day of voting, the Facebook page addressed some hanging questions about the character choices.<ref>[https://tformers.com/hasbro-2018-transformers-fan-vote-mini-qa-offers-at-least-one-interesting-detail/33262/news.html "Hasbro 2018 Transformers Fan-Vote Mini Q&A Offers At Least One Interesting Detail" at tformers.com], which mirrors from a [https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/1831863486883837 defunct Facebook link]</ref>

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* Saboteur vs Scientist: #[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]]Vs[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
* Brother vs Brother: #[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]]Vs[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]
* '''Mirage vs The Mercenary: #[[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]Vs[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]'''
|}

On [[February 27]], then-design lead [[John Warden]] took to the Facebook page to personally announce the victors in video form.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I'm John, and I'm here to announce the winning rivalry of the War for Cybertron Trilogy fan vote. [...] Without further ado, let's get right to it. The winner of the War for Cybertron Trilogy fan vote is... Impactor vs Mirage.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/videos/1837515759651943/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2018|month=2|day=27}}</ref> This led to [[Impactor (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Impactor]] and [[Mirage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Mirage]] receiving new toys in the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' toyline in 2019, both as regular retail figures and with alternative head sculpts in an exclusive multi-pack.

Over the subsequent five years, each of the other candidates would [[#Notes|receive new ''Generations'' toys anyway]].
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===''Vintage G1''===
[[File:Fan poll Vintage G1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
The next poll was announced via Hasbro Pulse and Hasbro's social media accounts on [[December 10]], 2018 to decide a future toy out of two pairs for release in the ''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' toyline in Spring of 2020. All polls were carried out on Hasbro Pulse's Instagram stories.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Which G1 classic bot do you want to see make a return to Walmart in Spring 2020? Cast your votes starting tomorrow on our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrNZyFMnQzk/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=10}}</ref>

Round 1 took place on [[December 11]], pitting Perceptor against Astrotrain,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Round 1: PERCEPTOR vs ASTROTRAIN. Which G1 classic bot do YOU want to see make a return to @Walmart in Spring 2020? VOTE NOW in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrP5UjxngRa/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=11}}</ref> and round 2 took place on [[December 12]], pitting Thundercracker against Skywarp.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Round 2: SKYWARP vs THUNDERCRACKER. Which G1 classic seeker do YOU want to go up against ASTROTRAIN in the finals to make a return? VOTE NOW in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrSem4SlAF7/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=12}}</ref> The final round took place on [[December 13]], as a decider between Astrotrain and Skywarp.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=FINAL ROUND: ASTROTRAIN vs SKYWARP. Which G1 classic do you want to make a return to @walmart in Spring 2020?! Vote now in our story!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrVRhBzFn7h/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=13}}</ref>
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!Round 1!!Round 2!!Final Round
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[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] vs '''[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'''
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[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] vs '''[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]'''
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'''Astrotrain''' vs Skywarp
|}
On [[December 14]], Hasbro announced that Astrotrain had won,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=4 Bots entered, 1 was voted back! G1 ASTROTRAIN will return to @walmart in Spring 2020!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/BrX09NbFnFE/|name=Hasbro Pulse|site=Instagram|year=2018|month=12|day=14}}</ref> though [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|his reissued toy]] unexpectedly hit shelves early in December 2019.
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==2019==
===''Vintage G1''===
[[File:Fan poll Vintage G1 Facebook.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
On [[May 17]], [[2019]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook page held a surprisingly low key poll to determine another 2020 release in the ''Vintage G1'' line, using Facebook's built-in polling feature.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It's time to choose! Which one of these bots do YOU want to see as a G1 2020 @Walmart exclusive figure?|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/2658418017561709|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=05|day=17|defunct=yes}}</ref>

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* '''[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'''
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
The poll was only open for 24 hours, and the following day it was announced that Blaster had won,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=In one of the closest races yet, you decided that BLASTER is gonna be the next G1 exclusive @Walmart. Look for this special edition bot in 2020!|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2663510377052473|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=05|day=18}}</ref> receiving 56% of the vote.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/18/blaster-wins-the-walmart-exclusive-g1-reissue-2020-fan-vote-388380 "Blaster Wins The Walmart Exclusive G1 Reissue 2020 Fan Vote" on tfw2005.com]</ref> The [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|reissued Blaster]] went up for preorder in June 2020,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=You voted and now here he is, the Walmart G1 Reissue Fan Vote For 2020 -- Autobot Blaster! Who's adding this classic G1 figure to their shelf? (Cassette Tape not included 😜)|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/3944719742264857/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2020|month=06|day=28}}</ref> and was released in the subsequent October.
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===''War for Cybertron Trilogy''===
[[File:Earthrise fan poll artwork.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
On [[June 12]], [[2019]], the same Facebook page posted that another fan poll was upcoming, with four mysteriously silhouetted Decepticons in the running for a place in [[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|the second chapter]] of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Can you identify the Decepticons shown below? Share your guesses in the comments! Once we reveal the identities of each shadowy figure, you’ll have the opportunity to decide which becomes a War for Cybertron figure in 2020.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2725416367528540/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=12}}</ref> The following day, the character selection was revealed, and hashtag-based voting began in the comments section.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Great guesses! The four bots are #GNAW, #RUNAMUCK, #NEEDLENOSE & #SHRAPNEL. As the War for Cybertron rages, each of these bots is trying to sneak onto the Autobot’s spaceship, the Ark. Vote for the Decepticon you’d like to stowaway aboard the Ark and see as a War for Cybertron figure in 2020 by commenting below. Limit one vote per user and one character name per vote. Voting closes in 48-Hours.|link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2727924640611046/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=13}}</ref>

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* [[Gnaw (G1)|#Gnaw]]
* '''[[Runamuck (G1)|#Runamok]]''' {{sic}}
* [[Needlenose (G1)|#Needlenose]]
* [[Shrapnel (G1)|#Shrapnel]]
|}

Voting closed 48 hours later, with the accompanying image updated to spell Runamuck's name in the more traditional manner,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Thank you for telling us which Decepticon you’d like to see as a War for Cybertron figure in 2020! Voting has officially closed. The winner will be announced on July 17 |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2732923406777836/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=15}}</ref> suggesting votes with both hashtag variants were counted.

On [[July 18]], the page proclaimed Runamuck the winner,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The fans have spoken and #RUNAMUCK will become a Fall 2020 War for Cybertron figure! Wondering how he stowed away on the Ark? #RUNAMUCK entered through the cargo hold looking to cause some explosive damage. |link=https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606/2819867618083414/|name=TRANSFORMERS|site=Facebook|year=2019|month=06|day=19}}</ref> despite the fact that it appeared that Needlenose had the most votes.{{fact}} [[Runamuck (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Runamuck's toy]] materialised in ''War for Cybertron: Earthrise'' and, perhaps unsurprisingly, ''Earthrise'' [[Runabout (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Runabout]] soon followed... but then again, so did [[#Notes|new toys of all the other candidates]]!

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==2025==
===Activate Your Alt Mode===
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==Notes==
Losing options from the polls frequently received acknowledgement later down the road:
* Unsuccessful names from the 2013 Fan Built Bot poll saw use, with a new character named "[[Centuritron#Generations|Centuritron]]" appearing in ''Generations'', and the names "[[Eagle Eye (G1)#Generations|Eclipse]]" and "[[Brainstorm (G1)#Titans Return|Charon]]" being used for new ''Generations'' toys of classic characters.
* After losing the 2013 poll for a new ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toy, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|Beast Convoy]] and [[Lio Convoy#Masterpiece|Lio Convoy]] were released in the line anyway, in [[2016]] and [[2020]] respectively.
* The two unchosen names from 2015's Fan Built Combiner poll were used as new identities for established characters, with the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Big Convoy#Beast Wars: Uprising|Big Convoy]] being rechristened "Slammoth" and the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' character [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] becoming "Quakebreak" after an [[Shroud|in-fiction alteration to the multiverse]].
* After losing out to Trypticon in 2015's second poll, [[Omega Supreme (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Omega Supreme]] and [[Scorponok (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Scorponok]] received Titan Class figures later on in ''Siege'' and ''Earthrise'' respectively.
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shockwave]] received Leader Class toys in ''Siege'' after losing the opportunity in 2017's poll – and arguably, both of those toys nonetheless fit into the "Evolution"-style armouring up gimmick found in the ''Power of the Primes'' Leader Class.
* Two other runners-up from the 2017 poll would receive big-ticket crowdfunding toys in the form of [[Hasbro Pulse#HasLab|HasLab]] [[Star Saber (G1)#Legacy|Victory Saber]] and [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|Decepticon Deathsaurus]].
* ''All'' of the candidates from 2018's ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' poll received new toys anyway, with [[Spinister (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Spinister]] appearing in ''Siege'', [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Wheeljack]] seeing three releases across the trilogy beginning with ''Earthrise'', and [[Tracks (G1)/toys#Generations|Tracks]] coming out in the third chapter, ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]''.
* After 2018's ''Vintage G1'' poll, Skywarp was once again eligible in a similar poll in 2019. While he also didn't win that one, 2023's ''Transformers Retro'', the successor to ''Vintage G1'', reissued both [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Transformers_Retro|him]] and fellow 2018 ''Vintage G1'' poll loser [[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Transformers_Retro|Perceptor]].
* [[Gnaw (G1)#Studio Series|Gnaw]] lost the opportunity for a ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' toy in the 2019 poll, but received an aesthetically similar toy in ''[[Studio Series]]''.
* [[Needlenose (G1)#Legacy|Needlenose]] in particular seems to have had the deck stacked in his favour, being a recurring candidate in 2018 and 2019 (and losing both times) before finally being thrown a bone in ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: Evolution]]''.
* Similarly, [[Shrapnel (G1)#Legacy|Shrapnel]] also got a toy in ''Legacy: Evolution'' despite losing the 2019 poll.

==See also==
* [[Transformers Hall of Fame]], a regular fan poll for honouring ''Transformers'' characters and creators
* ''[[Splatoon]]'', which also featured a vitally important fan poll

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

==External links==
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20150504201626/https://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=757648 Hasbro press release announcing the Fan Built Bot poll (archived)]
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20150522183047/https://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=892871 Hasbro press release announcing the Fan Built Combiner poll (archived)]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NctR0LWttjA Hasbro announcement video for the Activate Your Alt Mode poll] on the [[Hasbro Pulse]] YouTube channel

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Storm the Desert

2025-09-18T00:37:16Z

Ezim93:

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'''Our heroes try to rush the boss ahead of schedule.'''

==Synopsis==

In the desert region, [[Scorponok (Cyberworld)|Scorponok]] still guards the crashed Autobot Shuttle, as [[Elita-1 (Cyberworld)|Elita-1]], [[Bumblebee (Cyberworld)|Bumblebee]], [[Grimlock (Cyberworld)|Grimlock]] and [[Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)|Optimus Prime]] discuss tactics over radio. Neither Elita or Bee are happy to be in the desert, but Optimus tries to keep them on task. He and Grimlock will distract the humongous bot head on, while Elita and Bee aim for his weak spots. Scorponok proves impervious to their blaster fire, deploying his own shoulder mounted cannons to force the group together, whereupon he uses the same "dig underground and erupt" move he tried on Optimus Prime in their first encounter. Grimlock is caught up, but Prime rescues him with his axe. Bumblebee manages to jump onto his back, out of reach of his claws and sword-tail, where he finds a weak spot under a grille. He takes potshots at it, paining the giant robot, but his success is short lived, as Scorponok simply transforms to an equally humongous robot mode, plucks Bee of his back, and dives fist first, Bee included, into the ground, leaving the smaller bot unable to move. Elita is thrown onto his head and finds another weak spot, bashing at it with the butt of her gun, but is also thrown off into the desert sands. With Bee weakened, Scorponok goes to use his buzzsaw claw, forcing Elita and Grimlock to pry it off his chest while Optimus aims for the weak spots. It's no use, though - Optimus cannot do enough damage while Bumblebee is losing a lot of energon to the attack. In the end, Prime goes to Bee's aid, helping lift the claw before it can do fatal damage to Bee. Dangerously low on health, one of their group unable to fight any longer, Prime calls to retreat.

Grimlock throws his ''T.rex'' head, transforming into a hoverbike for Elita-1 to get Bumblebee out of there, and while they make it to safety, Optimus Prime and Grimlock struggle to outrun Scorponok. It looks like they're gonners, until [[Snarl (Cyberworld)|Snarl]] runs in, forcing Scorponok to pause with an energy wave from his sword, and the group make it riding atop Grimlock. Grimlock chews Prime out for wating their chance to take out Scorponok and escape just to save Bumblebee. Now, in his eyes, the truce with [[Megatron (Cyberworld)|Megatron]] was sacrificed for nothing, and he and Snarl have been pointlessly forced back into the cruel cycle of fighting to survive. The two debate over Prime's leadership style, and in the end, Grimlock says he gave Optimus a chance, and he blew it, before leaving with Snarl.

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==Quotes==
"None of us have the tyres to keep this up for long."<br>
"I don't even ''have'' tyres."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Elita-1'''

"I hope saving little one was worth, when Megatron turn you all to scrap."
:—'''Grimlock'''

==Notes==

===Continuity notes===
* The Autobots discovered the existence of Scorponok's weak spots back in "[[Screamer City Arena]]".

===Character levels===
* Optimus begins the fight at Level 2, half way to Level 3. By the end of the fight, he's at Level 1, dangerously close to no XP.

===Transformers references===

===Real world references===
[[File:Cyberworld Episode9 AkiraSlide.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Elita-1's ready to take on Rainbow Road.]]
* Bumblebee complains that the desert sand is "coarse, and rough, irritating, and it gets everywhere", quoting [[Darth Vader|Anakin Skywalker]]'s infamous flirting dialogue from ''[[wikia:starwars:Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the Clones|Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones]]''.
*Grimlock refers to Bumblebee as [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RWZGDKf1eTQ Bumblebeans], referencing a joke once made by [[Thew Adams]].
* Elita-1 announces her dodge rolls (repeatedly), likely in order to bring the audience's attention to her performance of a common move in action video games; dodge rolls typically offer a moment's invulnerability, allowing the player character to avoid damage. Which clearly work in the Cyberworld.
* Elita-1 does the {{w|Akira_(1988_film)#Akira_slide|Akira Slide}} on the dino-head hoverbike.
* Snarl is, once again, a ninja from a ''shonen'' anime, with his run and his sword attacks.

===Trivia===
* Unlike other Cyberworld episodes, which debut on a Saturday, this one debuted on a Wednesday to line up with "Transformers Day" (no episode aired the Saturday prior). Like other Cyberworld episodes, it was initially uploaded alongside the [[What Goes Up|previous episode]] with an SEO baiting title ("Boss Battle! Optimus Prime VS Scorponok"). The title comes from writer Ali Lightfoot's twitter feed. <ref>{{citesocial|quote=A sneak peek of Transformers: CYBERWORLD episode 9 "Storm the Desert" has gone live on the official channel.|link=https://x.com/HedlesChkn/status/1967946373904654440|name=Ali Lightfoot|site=Twitter|year=2025|month=09|day=16}}</ref>
* Grimlock and Optimus Prime are both animated without mouthplates in the final scene. It's not an error, but it does come out of nowhere. Also, mouthed Grimlock is ''freaking weird''.

==References==
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2025-09-17T23:08:02Z

Ezim93: A concept drawing by Evan Brooks of Shockwave with a whale alt mode

A concept drawing by Evan Brooks of Shockwave with a whale alt mode

Shredhead

2025-02-13T22:07:34Z

Ezim93:

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:''Shredhead is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Energon Universe]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:TF18Shredhead.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|It's time to live and learn.]]

The first [[Autobot]] warrior born on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in years, '''Shredhead''' is created from the combined [[spark|sparks]] of [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]]'s clan, not only to bolster the forces of [[Elita One (G1)#Energon Universe|Elita One's]] resistance cell, but to also bring back hope.

==Fiction==
===Energon Universe===
After [[Starscream (G1)#Energon Universe|Starscream]] and the [[Decepticon]]s killed Cliffjumper's clan, {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 6|Transformers #6}} he went back to the bombing site to collect the remaining spark energy of his friends. Storing their remains in a [[spark canister]], he buried the canister under the rubble, reasoning that the Decepticons wouldn't disturb them when there appeared to be nothing left. Millennia later, after Cliffjumper had left Cybertron with [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Energon Universe|Optimus Prime]] to [[Earth]], then returned back to Cybertron by accident, {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 15|Transformers #15}} he went with Elita and [[Bluestreak (G1)#Energon Universe|Bluestreak]] to where his clan's sparks were buried, digging up the canister with the intent to user what remains of them to bring to the [[Well of All Sparks|Well of Sparks]]. While there were only pieces of each of his friends, and not enough to bring any of them back, Cliffjumper hoped that there was enough to create something new at the Well of Sparks, pointing out that Elita's resistance cell needed more warriors. Bluestreak agreed, suggesting that maybe a new Autobot could bring back hope to the scattered Autobot forces still on Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 16|Transformers #16}}

Despite her reservations with the plan, Elita eventually agreed with Bluestreak that the sparks in the canister was a gift, one that could be used to fight the Decepticons, and joined Cliffjumper's team to infiltrate the Well of Sparks. While Bluestreak, [[Blurr (G1)#Energon Universe|Blurr]], and [[Warpath (G1)#Energon Universe|Warpath]] ran interferance outside, Cliffjumper brought the canister into the hall and inserted it into the control console. Once the console determined the amount of sparks collected was enough to begin a creation event, with the push of a button the process started. After the console's program scanned the remains of [[Carly (G1)|Carly's]] van for use as the secondary form, with a flash of smoke the new Autobot stepped out of the Well of Sparks. First referring to themself as "We," then "I," they stated they recognized Cliffjumper from their past, prompting him to ask what the combined sparks of his clan was called. With a shield in one hand and an energy sword in another, the new Autobot declared their name was Shredhead. {{storylink|Transformers (2023) issue 17|Transformers #17}}

==Notes==
*On the letters page of [[Transformers (2023) issue 17|Transformers #17]], [[Skybound Entertainment|Skybound]] editor Ben Abernathy stated that Shredhead had been in the pipeline for some time before their debut in [[Transformers (2023) issue 17|''Transformers'' #17]].
*Also in the letters page of issue #17, both Ben and [[Daniel Warren Johnson]] refer to Shredhead with they/them pronouns, and so this page refers to them as such.

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2025-02-13T22:06:59Z

Ezim93:

User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/The Fallen

2025-01-27T01:46:27Z

Ezim93:

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When [[Primus]] created the [[Thirteen|first Transformers]], he made a "Dark Warrior" who would be in touch with entropy and destruction. Known as '''Megatronus''' or '''Megatronus Prime''', he is the most powerful of the original [[Prime (rank)|Primes]], who [[Expulsion of Unicron|battled]] [[Unicron]] in the earliest days of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. When not using fiery mystic abilities, [[dark science]], or [[Void Scepter|gravitational powers]], he wields the most dangerous of [[Artifacts of the Primes|artifacts]]: the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]].

Like many of his siblings, Megatronus was once a [[multiversal singularity]], but that is now [[Shroud|no longer the case]]. While his size, shape, and colors may vary between realities, his most common physical feature is his face, which often serves as the inspiration for a certain [[Decepticon|faction]]'s [[insignia]] during the [[Great War (disambiguation)|Great War]].

Unfortunately, his inherently dark nature often leads him down a tragic path. In most realities, his original name is replaced by a more well-known title: '''The Fallen'''. Often manipulated by [[Liege Maximo|other]] [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|members]] of the Thirteen, The Fallen is best known for becoming a [[Transformer|Cybertronian]] analog to the biblical {{w|Cain}}, committing Cybertron's first murder with the death of his [[Solus Prime|beloved]]. In some realities, he willingly betrays the Thirteen by siding with Unicron, and becomes the "the first Decepticon", making him more akin to {{w|Judas Iscariot|Judas}}. Even in realities where he doesn't take a villainous turn, [[Megatron (One)|his legacy]] is inevitably one of betrayal and death.

In short: he's usually bad, bad news.

{{bigquote|You... you're from ''before''. Aren't you?|[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] on The Fallen|"[[Confrontation (issue)|Confrontation]]"}}

==Conceptual history==
Introduced in [[2003]], the Fallen debuted in [[Dreamwave Productions]]' comic, ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages]]'' as a [[Herald of Unicron]]. A mysterious, fiery being from the Transformers' ancient past, he returned to Cybertron to enact the [[Unbinding]], a ritual that would alert Unicron to Primus's location. Wielding mystic, entropic abilities, he was defeated by his creator, trapping him within the [[Seal of Primus]]. A year later, ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' established The Fallen as one of the mysterious "Thirteen Original Transformers" created by Primus to battle Unicron. According to the Guide, The Fallen betrayed his siblings by joining forces with Unicron, and the battle ended with The Fallen being sucked into a black hole until his escape, as seen in ''War Within: The Dark Ages''. A [[2007]] [[bio]] written for The Fallen's ''[[Titanium Series]]'' toy would reveal he was the overseer of entropy.<ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/titanium/the-fallen/1126/2/9/ Fallen's ''Titanium Series'' on-package bio]</ref>

As the concept of the Thirteen slowly developed, [[2009]] would be a significant year for the character, becoming the titular main antagonist of the [[Live-action film series]]' second film, ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''. The film would establish the character's connection to Megatron, and use his Decepticon-insignia-looking face to establish him as the true creator of the Decepticons: "The First Decepticon". Despite his death in the film, Q&A sessions with [[Hasbro]] representatives at [[BotCon]]<ref>See [[Hasbro Q&A/July 2009: Answers|Hasbro Q&A/July 2009: Answer #3]] for more information.</ref> established that The Fallen and his siblings were multiversal singularities: a single incarnation who existed across all realities, moving between them - proving a loophole for The Fallen to survive the events of the film.

The novels of the [[Aligned continuity family]] significantly fleshed out the character's backstory, relationships, and weaponry. The [[2010]] novel ''[[Transformers: Exodus|Exodus]]'' established his original name of Megatronus, further strengthening the character's connection to Megatron and the Decepticon cause. Its sequel, [[2011]]'s ''[[Transformers: Exiles|Exiles]]'', re-introduced the Requiem Blaster as the personal artifact of Megatronus, not as the Mini-Con weapon of ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]''. The novel would reveal that the weapon's existence became a great point of contention among the Primes, and would be the weapon that killed [[Solus Prime]], who was introduced as his love interest. Two years later, ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus]]'' provided an alternate, less-villainous interpretation of The Fallen's backstory, exploring his tense relationship with [[Prima]], the "Warrior of Light", and how the manipulations of the silver-tongued Liege Maximo led to an accidental death of Solus Prime in the [[War of the Primes]]. This less-villainous interpretation would largely be ignored when he made his proper television debut in ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'', which highlighted his role as the "First Decepticon".

The Fallen was introduced to IDW Publishing's [[2005 IDW continuity|long-running continuity]], being mentioned in [[The Crucible|''Robots in Disguise'' #34]], and making visual appearances in [[Heavy|''Till All Are One ''#9]], [[Origin Myths|''Optimus Prime'' #10]], and [[The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|''Optimus Prime'' #18]], albeit in flashback sequences. By his visual debut, the concept of multiversal singularities had been nullified in the 2015 Collectors' Club comic storyline ''[[Another Light]]'', which allowed IDW to interpret the Thirteen as the warlords of [[Thirteen Tribes]], not demigods, without conflicting previous stories. Concurrently with IDW's continuity, the [[All Things Must Pass|final episode]] of ''[[Transformers: Titans Return (cartoon)|Titans Return]]'' introduced an amalgamated version of The Fallen - featuring his fiery abilities of the Dreamwave incarnation and the Egyptian-crown-like head and color scheme of ''Revenge of the Fallen''. ''[[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes]]'' would adapt his backstory from ''The Covenant of Primus'', featuring the Requiem Blaster and Solus Prime prominently in flashbacks and the present-day story.

For a few years, The Fallen was absent from ''Transformers'' media, save the rare cameo appearance in the [[2019 IDW continuity]] or mention in ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse]]'', until [[2024]] brought him back to prominence with the ''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]'' film. The film established Megatronus Prime as the strongest and most powerful of the Primes, whose facial design was virtually identical to the Decepticon insignia, including its purple color. Unlike previous incarnations, this Megatronus remained heroic until his death, having never betrayed or murdered his fellow Primes. Later that year, the ''[[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]]'' toyline would be revealed, introducing "Megatronus - The Fallen" as a Leader Class toy inspired primarily by his appearance in ''War Within: The Dark Ages''.

<final sentence to conclude section?>

==New Caption Ideas==
<gallery>
AOTP Fallen bot mode.jpg|"Like the Phoenix, I have risen from the ashes. And into my fire, you shall fall!" - [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]]
AOTP Fallen bot mode.jpg|"GIVE ME YOUR PURSE!" - [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]]
AOTP Fallen bot mode.jpg|"Forget your purse, gimmie your fire extinguisher." - [[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]]
AOTP Fallen bot mode.jpg|"Flame powers and daddy issues, but no Zuko-type positive character development" - Waspy/CronenBugwoman on Discord
AOTP Fallen bot mode.jpg|“Prometheus stole fire from the gods. We are each the heirs of that divine spark. Used wisely, the spark fuels one's journey and lights the way. Treated carelessly, the spark consumes its owner and everything in its path.” - [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]]
</gallery>

Talk:The Fallen

2025-01-25T23:38:59Z

Ezim93: /* Move to Megatronus? */

[[File:RID-megatronussparkmerger.jpg|thumb|right|250px|unused image]]

That bit about how the Fallen was created by Pat Lee? In the latest edition of Wayward's [http://www.insecticons.com/insecticomics.html Insecticomics] it is said that it was actually Furman who created the character, that Lee just did the design. When I asked her about it, she posted this [http://p206.ezboard.com/fthepaddedcell71381frm19.showMessage?topicID=2995.topic&index=107 transcript] which backs that up. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

OK so I just left line in the trivia, cos I thought it was funny.
*So he's the henchman of a evil being, has mystical supernatural powers, is a badass and is on fire? Someone might want to file a law suit.

Can it stay or should I take it back down?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:33, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

..I don't even get that. [[User:AlwaysWrong|AlwaysWrong]] 22:44, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:It was removed, it contained a link to the wikipedia article for Ghost Rider[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:33, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

==Head==
Anyone notice that his head is very Soundwave-y? When i first saw him, i clearly recognized his head as soundwave's with added badassery.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 05:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

==Disambig time?==
http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=59522272-D56F-E112-4C783175A8BBBAD6

Ah-heh.

(SOMEBODY IN THAT MOVIE DAMN WELL BETTER BE ON FIRE.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

==Fallen, Bludgeon and Megs==

I don't know about Bludgeon, but there is a connection between the Fallen and Megs: IDW Megatron's Cybertronian body is based off of the Fallen, right down to the design of the Fusion Cannon. [[User:GWolfv2]] 21.07 June 11

== Defiance issue 4 Fallen's backstory ==

Defiance issue 4 is out. [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/revenge-of-the-fallen-prequel-comic-defiance-4-provides-potential-movie-spoilers-167267/ TFW2005.com has posted all the Fallen-relevant spoilers from issue 4, but beware, if you're avoiding Defiance, this spoils the Fallen's crazy scheme in the movie]. The backstory for the Fallen seems fairly different to the Fallen we know. So are they still the same guy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:56, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Still appears to be a member of the Thirteen, still appears to betray them, still apparently serves a force that devours planets/stars.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:12, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::But from what I understand of the "multiversal singularity" characters thing, there's just one Fallen, so the guy created by Primus who eventually serves Unicron is also a guy created by a Cube who serves nobody but himself and is building solar towers to replenish the Cube. Or is the currently-untold story of the 13 vague enough that this still works? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:20, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::It does seem pretty distinct. One's a "created by mighty power source, got selfish, betrayed his brothers, now want to kick off where things went wrong" other "created as a multiversal control for entrophy and warrior against Unicron. Switched sides. Most dangerous servant of the ultimate evil ever". [[User:Eire]] 21.21 Apr 8 2009 (UTC)
:I don't trust a 3rd party summary written by someone who may not fully understand the story to accurately represent what's actually in the story. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:44, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::In any case, I suspect we are probably going to need to wait to see what the movie itself has to say before making a decision on this. It may expand on what is presented in the comic, it may contradict it in some way, it could make it easier to tie this version in with the previous mythos or may firmly separate it, etc. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:54, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't think we would have to wait until the movie if the comic is fairly clear on the matter. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::::I think we do, because as I said, we have no way of knowing in advance how well the actual movie will line up with the comic. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:05, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:The Fallen is one thing, but what about definite "multiversal singularity" Primus? Does the AllSpark=Primus in the movieverse? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::The AllSpark has been designated a [[sacred implement]] in Japanese fiction.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 18:07, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::It is not uncommon for Transformers to have no knowledge of Primus or Unicron. For every world where they have a full-blown religion to fill them in, you have one where the Transformers have neither heard of either-- remember in [[The Transformers: The Movie]] Hot Rod and Kup had never even heard Unicron's name before. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
Did they not mention that the Fallen calls himself and his other pals "trans-dimensional beings"? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:48, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Not the mention [http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm this interview] affirming he's the original and was "banished to another dimension." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
::I think what they mean by that is that he's stuck in that stupid pylon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:15, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

==The Fallen gets Power Plans!==
[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/05/transformers-movie-universe-preview.html] Preview page from the upcoming DK Ultimate Movie Guide, which is totally written by Furman. It establishes a few important things. The Fallen is an "omniversal tyrant." He betrayed his fellow Primes to serve the source of his new "chaotic" powers "from the very birth of the universe," forces which seek to replace morality with a "void." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:If Nimoy is cast as him, it will be the second time in his career that he'll be playing some sort of servant of Unicron. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

== Subject Seperation ==

Will you make a separate page the live action version of the Fallen? --Some Random User guy {{unsigned|69.230.53.229|00:50, May 20, 2009 EDT}}
:As we far as we know, the Fallen is a multi-dimensional being that can... you get the picture. If this Fallen is established as a seperate being, then maybe.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 01:01, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::And as seen in Walky's post above this, the DK guide establishes the Fallen as an "Omniversal tyrant". That more or less means the Fallen is one of those characters who can travel between dimensions, and there's only one of him. Thus, we consider ROTF Fallen to be the same guy as Dreamwave comics Fallen, unless the movie says otherwise (and it obviously won't). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::Despite the brain-bending problems this creates with the other 12, yes. Are they all birthed by the AllSpark then? That's not what The Ultimate Guide says... (We'll figure it out. Expect the backpedaling, qualifications and clarifications to begin trickling in this fall.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:15, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::You know, the movie universe could have two individuals named the Fallen. I mean, it's not a real name, but rather a sort of title, right? Why couldn't the omniversal tyrant and some douchebag that came from the AllSpark live in the same universe? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:26, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::'''Two''' dimension-hopping flaming ancient Primes who discarded their name in favor of being called "The Fallen" after betraying their 12 fellow Primes, the oldest of Transformers?
:::We already have the Covenant and the Thirteen. Don't make this ''more'' complicated. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I personally think they should be seperated. I mean, he's been trapped in that relic, or whatever it exactly is, for a really long time. How could he of shown up in the IDW series? And, the other 12 sacrificed themselves, so, how could they exist either? -[[User:VakamaMetruNui|VakamaMetruNui]] 09:29, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::::(The Dreamwave series, not the IDW series.) That's really easy to explain. The DW Fallen was also trapped in a dimension, same as the Movie one. He was able to break free of it due to a space bridge accident, and was apparently banished back to it by Primus. (He would have returned if DW hadn't gone bankrupt, so he wasn't dead.) Who knows how time and space work in there. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:11, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Unicron keeps showing up in new places yet always gets defeated in more or less the same way; why should his gothy wanna-be have it any better? Since his "real" origin was as a creation of Primus, perhaps the entire Movie AllSpark / Movie Original 13 was something the Fallen himself put together later--he tried his own hand at being a god, while actually not claiming credit for it but just inserting himself among the lineup, like Keyser Soze. Or maybe he used his woowoo omniversal magic to sense that some other god was about to create the AllSpark, and then he twisted the whole process to his own ends. Who knows. And if all that sounds like a deus-ex-machina, remember that that is LITERALLY what he is. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:24, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|right|thumb|100px|What dimension did this happen in? The movie-verse? Not necessarily.]]
::::::I think splitting the page of a known dimension-hopper goes against common sense. Without a really good reason, of course. I don't think there is a good reason yet. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:47, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::At BotCon 2009, Hasbro copy-writer Forest Lee stated once again (at the Collectors' Club panel) that the Original 13 are all multiversal singularities. Apparently the upcoming movie hasn't changed his mind! So let's hold on to our current setup for the time being. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:11, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::He didn't state this before, IIRC he stated that they were ''probably'' Multiversal singularities before.
::::::::Do you or anyone (Steve) have an exact working on his statement this weekend? It's worth citing it on the 13 page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:52, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::I don't, no. And Steve-o wasn't there this weekend, so we are without his meticulous information-gathering. He did specifically say that the original 13 were multiversal singularities, though. It was in response to someone asking if Shattered Glass The Fallen would be icy. Forest said that as one of the 13, The Fallen doesn't have any multiverse counterparts. There's just one of him, the same as Vector Prime and the others. (Trent noted that he liked to believe that if the Fallen were to ever wander into the Shattered universe, his flames would turn to ice, much to his confusion.)--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:53, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
Is there evidence that supports ROTF Fallen is the same as the character in The War Within?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:20, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
:Evidence in the form of fictional stories? No. Apparently not. It is all shadow evidence as far as I can tell. Word of mouth at conventions and [[Hasbro Q&A/July 2009: Answers|a Hasbro Q&A]]. Should the wiki hang its hat on such shadow evidence? Or would the "multiversal singularity" thing be better put in the "notes" section until it shows up in fiction? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:53, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
::If this Wiki wants to wait on merging Alpha Trions I suggest your side doesn't split the G1, UT, ROTF and Prime versions of Prima, Megatronus, Liege or Vector. And it wouldn't call it shadow evidence considering Megatronus explicitly described his brothers as able to traverse dimensions, or Vector and Nexus being the sole versions of those characters flying about the timelines. "[[Reunification: Part 5|All Cybertrons are yours.]]" [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:15, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== Movie altmode ==

FYI: If we get Hasbro photography depicting a toy with an altmode (we have!) and the paragraph in question is describing that toy, then ''the presence of said altmode is officially confirmed''. I don't know under what logic you can say otherwise.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 20:10, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:Remember Scorponok's robot mode? I believe the debate is whether or not The Fallen's vehicle mode was something invented for the toyline. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 20:48, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
::Except the altmode description was removed from the toy section. The toy has an altmode. Plain as day. Thus the section describing that toy ought to mention said altmode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:07, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Ah, right then. Well... most of what I said can be salvaged, assuming this argument comes up outside the toy section. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 21:14, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

== Decepticon symbol ==

I see there is a Decepticon symbol on The Fallen's page for a long while, is this something related to his toy(s)? Thanks. (I can't reach my Titanium Fallen now, so... ) --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 11:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
: His ROTF toy packaging consistently labels him a Decepticon. He helped Megatron START the Decepticon faction in the live-action continuity. And the Decepticon faction symbol is based on his face. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:35, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:::So it is really due to the ROTF. Thanks. ;-D --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 12:55, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

::What they said.
::I notice the Beast-machines Dinobots symbol links to the Dinobots disambig page-- was it used tor the Wal-Mart Dinobots as well? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:56, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

==Mainpic==
When the Wikia site comes up on Google, it also has a secondary link, which is their version of this page. Our secondary link is [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|''Animated'']], which is unfortunately now a bit less relevant than theirs. (Notably, they've even rebranded their site to have a Movie look.) Happily, our [[The Fallen]] is much better than theirs because we've expanded the DW section, and they still haven't written ANYTHING about the prequel comics. Plus, y'know, there's [[:Image:WikiaAdInsert_TheFallen.jpg|the stuff that made us leave in the first place]]. But in the interests of sealing the relevancy deal, I suggest we change the mainpic to be The Fallen's ROTF body. That way even at a GLANCE a viewer can see which one is more up-to-date. What do you all think? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:23, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:I support this. We've got good promo renders of it. Let's do it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:29, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:Sounds good to me, I say go for it. Maybe change it back when the movie buzz fades down, but for now, yeah, totally. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:44, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Heh, so they merged the articles back. TX55 was an editor here. Doesn't he notice the borked layout of the images? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

===New main pic===
[[Image:ROTF The Fallen promotional 1.jpg|thumb|right|250px|You dare photograph me?! I am a a Prime!]]
Swap the current one for a promotional shot from [[Josh Nizzi]]'s website? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:58, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
:Naw, I prefer the one we have now. Flashier. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:12, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

==Grargh fiction==
Do we really need to separate out his various DK Ultimate Guide and Titanium information into their own little sections. Can't we throw those into the beginning of the Dreamwave continuity section and cite them appropriately? This page is now a real friggin' chore to read and understand. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:58, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, it sorta feels like it's... out of order. Cause, it is. Fictionally. I mean, I grok what Jackpot has done - he's put it in publication order, which I know is an approach that he's generall favoured in the past, but to me, it just doesn't "read" right. (Also, I am totally about to ruin the "he is on fire" joke. Watch me go!) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:05, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
::I feel a little weird about combining them like that, but I don't full-on object. I don't think there's ever been precedent for putting toy-bio info into a comic-series summary, but in this case there was clearly intent behind the bio to make it mesh, and there are no variant ''War Within'' "continuities." All I can do is note that it's unorthodox and move along.
::Oh, and Walky, thanks for restoring the continuity-family headers. My theory is that since our default organizational model is to separate our articles based on continuity family, whenever we break that "rule," we should call it out.
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:49, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

==Really not buying the 'multiversal singularity' thing here==
Recently, I saw the new movie and....... I don't see how it could possibly be the same character as in Dreamwave's comics.
Not only is his entire backstory different, but his motives also seem different and the film also makes mention that The Fallen was a member of 8 original leaders (if I remember correctly), as opposed to 13.
Not to mention his radically different appearance (the other 'multiversal singularities' at least all looked alike) and abilities.

Unless the writers find a way of explaining how this could be possible, I don't see how it makes any form of sense.
:The fact it's 8 and not 13 is the first sign that the writers ''intend'' to explain it. They're backpedaling away from making it "The 13" because it creates ''way'' to many problems.
:We all basically agree that it makes not sense now, but this ('''very''' last-minute) change strongly indicates that it ''will'' make sense, and that Hasbro's story-gurus has finally figured out how they intend to make it fit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:33, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::I seriously doubt that Hasbro's story-gurus had any imput whatsoever on the contents of the movie itself. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:35, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, I think that rather than being The 'Multiversal Singularity' Fallen, The (ROTF) Fallen is just a 'fallen' Prime who is subsequently and coincidentally called "The Fallen". He happens to have the same name, like Prowl, Prowl, Prowl, Prowl and Prowl.[[Special:Contributions/218.214.49.189|218.214.49.189]] 21:02, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::::That's nice, but Hasbro's packaging bio writer is saying that's not the case. Thus we have to go with what he says. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:09, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
So... Doesn't this mean that since he died in the movie, he has died in all universes forever, since he is a "multiversal singularity"?[[Special:Contributions/76.251.230.101|76.251.230.101]] 19:59, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:When a multiversal singularity "dies" in one universe, he'll reappear in another universe --[[Special:Contributions/72.64.107.124|72.64.107.124]] 20:02, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::I've seen that idea expressed on the Wiki before, but I've never seen a source for it. Basically... says who? In fact, most of what we "know" about multiversal singularities comes not from the fiction itself, but from creator comments. I don't agree with putting [[authorial intent]] on that high a pedestal, especially when its results are flat-out nonsensical. I think that at best, author-intent should get a Note, not define central aspects of how we describe characters. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:16, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Hear hear! Besides, saying that a character is a multiuniversal singularity only lasts until someone else says he's not. Then we get a weird state of 'he's mostly a multiuniversal singularity, except where he isn't' situation. I think this sort of notion warrants about as much consideration as a Madman DVD book saying that Cyclonus categorically was Skywarp - we note it, then we go on with the rest of our lives. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:37, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::There's at least some indication that Mowry and Furman are going to attempt to reconcile the multiversal singularity thing, or at least hang a lampshade on it and run with it, in [[Transformers: Tales of the Fallen|Tales of the Fallen]]. We may get our answer soon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:09, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::''saying that a character is a multiuniversal singularity only lasts until someone else says he's not''
:::::Bingo. No matter how much people might like Forrest's ideas, it's just as much "authorial intent" whenever anybody else at Hasbro or IDW or Bay's workshop says something that contradicts him. We know he's multiversal, or "omniversal," whatever, because one of the movie guidebooks says so. I try not to think too hard about the "13-whoops-7-Primes" clusterfuck. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:48, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think the idea of Multiversal Singularities dieing in one universe and appearing in another has 2 sources: 1) Unicron - He's a multiversal singularity and this is demonstrably how he works, and 2) Vector Prime - After his death in the UT he's seen again in the final credits battling Galvatron again. Granted it's supposition, but I think that's the basis for the idea.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 21:22, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Unicron's many deaths constitute one of the reasons why the multiversal-singularity idea is generally thought to be nonsensical. The idea that he "respawns" every time he's destroyed is a rationalization somebody here came up with; it's never been shown to ''happen'' in the fiction. And Vector Prime's case barely applies; he wasn't destroyed the way Unicron or The Fallen were; he just permanently phased outside of normal time because he overexerted his temporal powers. It was presumably in this non-time limbo that he battled Galvatron again, and where he will be forever. Ultimately, I think Rosicrucian's right: We should wait until "Tales of the Fallen" comes out before we make any hard-and-fast calls on the subject. But I've [[Talk:Unicron#"Respawning"?|long thought]] that we should be more rigorous about letting the fiction alone define "multiversal singularity" instead of the authors, and I'll be more than happy if future information radically changes what we think it means. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:43, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::The bio for TRU-excl. Universe Unicron says he travels through multiple dimensions and that whenever he dies he comes back to life. I don't think it says he has to be reobrn in a different dimension than the one he just died in, but honestly, once they've officialized and published the "multidimensionality and immortality" aspect, precisely where he is at ANY given moment in any life doesn't matter. But that's just Unicron--there's nothing as cut-and-dried in published form for the rest of them, I don't think. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:08, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Ah, that's interesting. Let's [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2856639219_b4fb44b44e.jpg?v=0 take a look]... Hm, it actually sounds more like Vector Prime's existence than the hoppity-hop-from-universe-to-universe model that's been the wiki party line. Unicron "floats through the non-space between dimensions, reaching out with his sensors to find the universe with the most energy. Those dimensions he finds suitable, he consumes." Also, "He has been defeated or destroyed countless times, yet he always returns [...] for [...] He is evil incarnate, and as long as there is evil, there is Unicron." It sounds like, whereas Vector Prime is stuck outside of time and can only send messages (or swords) into the timestream, Unicron can actually manifest himself in a very real and devastating way. But they share some essential transcendent nature, which to me is a bit more sensical than the more linear model. I read it to mean that basically he can keep coming back because he's always got one foot outside of normal space-time, and destroying a specific incarnation will never be enough. It's not a full "death." Plus he's got that strange relation to the concept of evil, which is backed up in the ''Armada'' cartoon when only Galvatron's death and the resulting end of the war could destroy him. As you say, I don't know how this would apply to The Fallen or others, but one thing at a time... - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:06, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It's not particularly relevant, but I just want to point out that Vector Prime ''did'' actually die, in the sense that his linear lifespan came to an end point. He continues to exist because ''prior'' to his death, he spent most of his existence outside of the timestream, and since time has no meaning there, he will ''always'' be there, watching and guiding. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:55, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

== Change of appearance ==

From TF; The Movie Universe
{{quote|The Fallen butchered and betrayed his brother Primes, disowning his given name in favor of one befitting his new, terrifying appearance.|<u>[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe]]</u> p86|"The Fallen"}}
Late intot he game, we have the idea that The Fallen may have changed his appearance. (And since his appearance is really no different than the other Primes... it begs the question what the hell this is talking about.)

Oh, and Walky was wondering abotu the curiously-regular panes of transparent plastic on The Fallen toy's shoulders... accordign to the guidebook, he has "Energon Distribution arcs" in his shoulders-- I think they're actually supposed to represent some sort of energy blade. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:44, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

== Unreliable narrator ==

So I saw the ROTF film. It really doesn't clash with the Multiversal Singularity thing too bad... it's Defiance that's the real problem. And I'm beginning to think that Definace just had a ''serious'' case of "unreliable narrator."

Let's assume (for a moment) that the Fallen ''was'' lying about parts of his backstory to Megatron. He certainly didn't mention Primus or Unicron (so we know he left stuff out) and we know he was snowing Megatron about making him a Prime (something you apparently have to be born to in the Movieverse.) He's ALREADY demonstrably lying, so lets throw out everything he said about his own origins, and assume he's actually the same dimension-hopping spanish-speaking nutjob we know and love-- what would the universe 'look' like?

Logically, The Fallen {{redact|''traveled'' to this universe and integrated himself with it-- somehow convincing the six Founding Primes of the universe that he was one of them. He then secretly endeavored to murder them all, destroy the Earth and seize ultimate power for himself using the sun harvester.}}

Of course, if this was '''actually''' what happened, and The Fallen is lying... you'd expect there to be some ''indicator['' of this in the IDW comics.

[[Image:Ros03 cuberitual.png|thumb|250px]]
Oh hey, look at that! It's the ancient illustration Starscream was trying to replicate in "Reign of Starscream"! The ''only'' piece of evidence from the era of the original Primes that ''doesn't'' come from our Unreliable Narrator. And what does it show?
{{redact|'''Six''' Primes surrounding the AllSpark cube as it is renewed by the Sun Harvester. '''Not''' seven.}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:55, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:As much as I really want to make this all work, I don't know if I want to go the Unreliable Narrator route. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:18, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::Neither do I... but if IDW chooses to quietly change the 13 primes to the 7 in their Movie Spotlight books... at ''that'' point the Fallen's retelling of history becomes much more actively wrong, and this bit from Reign of Starscream fits quite nicely.
::I figured it was worth highlighting as a possibility. It wouldn't be appropriate to present it as "fact" until IDW gets a crack at it. (It seems almost inevitable that there are Retcons Comings.) But i was pleased to discover that there's at least one ''fairly'' clean way here to make things more-or-less fit, and it ties into some pre-established continuity arond Starscream's plan with the [[Replica AllSpark]], which is a definite plus in terms of making the change less jarring. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:27, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Your way probably works better than my "the other 6 Primes were busy." But still, that's fanon until Forest Lee gets a crack at it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::...That leaves me a little worried that we're putting our hopes on IDW. Especially since they caused quite a few of the problems. And lets not even get into their record of continuity consistency in okaying [[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:34, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::But '''nothing''' the movies is 100% consistent with one another. Did you notice Leo mentioned the big fight from the 2007 movie took place in '''L.A.'''? And the IDW comics aren't in continuity with the ''first'' movie in a strict sense either-- Reign of starscream dedicated a page to re-doing the "gathering of the 'cons" from the dfirst movie ''just'' so they could assert "no, he's called BRAWL damnit." Or the helicopter being shot down over <strike>Afganistan</strike> America.
:::::Frankly, I think think the wiki would be best off is we weaned ourselves of this tendency to present the IDW comics as somehow "the primary continuity." They're definitely bound up tightly with the movies... but they ''aren't'' in perfect continuity with them-- and it's not just oddities, it's outright deliberate contradiction, like the Brawl thing. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:57, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Until I get an official reasoning to change continuity flow of various fiction, I'd rather leave the articles as they are. Brawl thing - who cares, really? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:36, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::By which you mean "structured differently than every other fiction section on the wiki." ;)
:::::::(I'm not really pushing for the restructure either. Just talking in general terms.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm set in my ways, dagnabbit. Yeah, the movie kind of started the movement of supporting fiction such as comic books and novels more or less directly being in continuity with the primary fiction, something we saw later in Animated. As opposed to the traditional TF method of having comics and cartoons and books all going in completely different directions. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:26, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

::::You've got it backwards. The Mowry-penned stuff has some of the best internal consistency of the entire continuity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 00:37, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Right, Mowry was foreshadowing the RotF plot in the second issue of Reign of Starscream, before ''anything'' had leaked. And he seems to have a pretty clear idea where almost ''every'' character "was" before and after the war, how they're related to one another, etc. He also did a ''lot'' of ground work to make the game drones fit right. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:57, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Voyager toy ==

The Voyager toy has slidable gauntlets, shinguards, and some kind of firey thing under the shinguards, but none of these are called out in the instructions, or seem to serve any point in either mode. Should this be mentioned in the article, and if not, does anyone know what the deal with them is?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:50, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== "saturn"? ==

Especially because the novel specifically says it's not Saturn, can we get rid of this? Unless it was revealed in an interview or on a toy bio or something, all the movie shows is that it's on the moon of a ringed planet - without specifically identifying it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:22, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:I think it has to be Saturn unless it is a plot hole. Megatron just flies there in about a day or so. It has to be in the solar system, I think. Megatron was never shown to have a personal space bridge like Jetfire. Can Megatron travel faster-than-light? Possibly, but the space bridge seems to be this universe's faster-than-light technology. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:57, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::I recall seeing something about how Megatron can travel interstellar distances, but that he's supposed to be one of the few Transformers who can. Additionally, we see the Decepticons travel to Earth in transition form, implying that they are coming from somewhere in the solar system. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:59, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, Megatron can travel interstellar distances, but in a day or two? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:02, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::::And return with Starscream and Grindor? And have The Fallen and a buttload of new Hatchlings arrive not soon after? They can't be lightyears away. That'd basically be Yet Another Plothole. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::According to the Ultimate Guide, The Fallen actually can do something like a space bridge, so wouldn't it be possible for the Fallen to have brought them to the final battle? Unless the Fallen can only do personal transport.
:::::For Grindor, though, do we know he was actually on the Nemesis?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:47, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::I thought someone might suggest that about The Fallen, so I didn't argue that point. I think that if he has the ability to space bridge armies across interstellar distances I would wonder why he would need the Nemesis at all. Starscream also made it to the Nemesis but he had a little longer, he could have hailed a space taxi or something. I think the movie strongly implies the Decepticons traveled by protoform from a relatively short distance and landed on the aircraft carriers. Even The Fallen. He seems to have traveled by protoform. Maybe space bridging long distances uses too much energy? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:13, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::"Saturn" appears to have a nebula in the background in the movie.
:::::::Which means that unless you can provide a cite for it being Saturn, it's not Saturn. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:51, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

==Power of a Prime?==
Why is that important? --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 20:15, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:Why is pointing out the differences between the film itself and its adaptations important? Is that what you're asking? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:19, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:Why IS information about a Transformer in a Transfomers wiki important, I wonder? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:The novel and comics are similar enough to the movie that they don't merit their own sections on the page, so the few significant differences that DO crop up need to go SOMEWHERE. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 20:53, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

==Main Pic==

Since the standard practice to to have the main image use the body the character first appeared in, rather than their most recent or more well known, shouldn't the main pic here be his Dreamwave body? [[User:Eire]] 23.45 18 Aug 09 (UTC)
:In this case it was changed so that movie visitors wouldn't reach the page and go "who the hell is this guy?" as well as to visually distinguish our article from Wikia's.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 19:25, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

==Leader Class==

I found a clip on Youtube about a Leader class The Fallen toy. It's extremely close to the CGI version in design and look and it comes with a staff. I think it's a fanmade one, but it's definitely worth noticing. I have proof. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q142a9Fl9_c]--[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 09:49, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
: Yeah, that's a custom by FrenzyRumble. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

== Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg ==

OK, who put that there? The Fallen isn't even on it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:07, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
: Read the caption and come back to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:09, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::I just wasted two seconds on reading a caption which I have already memorized, and another ten on checking the image again. The Fallen is NOT on the image. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:19, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::...yes he is. See the guy behind Vector Prime? His silhouette matches The Fallen's. Pay special attention to the little spikey hangy-things on his crotch, plus the shape of his head. And don't talk to ME about wasting time. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:21, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::::My bad. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:26, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

== Unable to edit ==
I noticed that I am unable to edit The Fallen page why is that. Also I thing the sarcophagus should have its own link and that it should be edited to make it more appropiate. --[[User:Naruotfox94|Narutofox94]] 10:04, 14 November 2009

== Lawson Exclusive EZ Fallen??? ==

Just noticed the pic of the 'Lawson exclusive' EZ figure.

Apparently the version of EZ Fallen released in the 2-pack with Soundwave was actually the standard US version, and the Takara-Tomy picture was incorrect. Unless anyone has an official source (in-hand pictures, on-line sales listings etc) that says the Japanese version of the Legends figure is any different from the US colours, I'd recommend deleting this photo. [[Special:Contributions/213.123.203.109|213.123.203.109]] 09:03, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:... that doesn't make any sense. If we don't have any in-hand photos, how do we know it's the SAME as the US release? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:10, 1 December 2009 (EST)
::So what you're saying is that we have this exclusive Legends Fallen, now released in Japan. You'd think it might show up ''somewhere''? But there's not a squeak of it on YouTube, on eBay, or for that matter ANY Transformers retailer or website you can care to name (trust me, I've checked). I realise it's supposedly an exclusive, but I can't think of another occasion in all my years of collecting when a figure's been commercially released and yet NO-ONE has seen it. As I say, I think it's just a bad photograph.

::Also, note that the two supposed 'exclusives' in this Lawson offer were Mudflap and The Fallen... which haven't actually been released in Japan as part of the main EZ line (nor have they been announced as forthcoming). So it would make sense that these are the standard US versions, which were Lawson store exclusives in Japan. Just like how ROTF Deluxes Dead End, Swerve and Stalker Scorponok were on general sale in the US but store exclusives in Japan.

::I seem to recall pictures of Takara Deluxe Ravage and Voyager Mixmaster with different paint apps too (extra purple on Ravage and a different coloured head on Mixmaster) - yet both releases ended up the same as their US counterparts. Early photos of the Takara combiner Devastator (shown in Hyber Hobby and Dengeki Hobby) has the US grey face that was later changed to red in Japan. We now know that the Deluxe red Rampage has a movie-accurate silver shovel, not the red one we saw in the early pictures. My point here is that promotional photos are notoriously unreliable.

::I realise I'm on shaky ground here - It's very difficult to prove something ''doesn't'' exist. But I think at the very least the point should be made on the page that this so-called redeco has never - to anyone's knowledge - been sighted outside of a low-res photo on the Takara website. And possibly never will.[[Special:Contributions/91.104.167.124|91.104.167.124]] 13:55, 7 December 2009 (EST)
:::This strikes me as a question that would easily be resolved if we had actual contact with the Japanese fanbase.... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:01, 7 December 2009 (EST)
::::OK, after a bit of research, I've discovered that the US and Japanese versions of these legends are IDENTICAL. There are pictures on TFW2005 (I think you need to be a member to sign into the forums) [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/281376-rotf-takara-v-hasbro-comparisons.html] So this page ''does'' need to be changed, as does Mudflap's.[[Special:Contributions/91.104.167.124|91.104.167.124]] 17:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Page Quote ==

To be fair... whether or not it should be changed to LesterX's idea, the current quote does suck. It says pretty much zero about the Fallen's personality or motivation or purpose or anything. All it says is that he's from some past time period, which is true of every 13 member. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:21, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:I never was crazy about it but it does do a good job of summing up a pretty major aspect of the character. I'm gonna go through all his comic appearances and have a look for a better one (can't think of one from the movie) [[User:Eire]] 00.00 Jan 08 2009 (UTC)
::Change the top quote all you want, but "kali ma" is so not going away for another damn "Give me your face" joke. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:05, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:::No argument from me on ''that'' regard. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:14, 7 January 2010 (EST)

==Separate==
I recommend that this page be split into two different pages, as the backgrounds differ. (I would type in a label, but the thing won't let me) [[User:Cold Rod|Cold Rod]] 16:23, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
: I recommend you learn what [[multiversal singularity]] means. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:38, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
::Of which the movie version is not. [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 12:41, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::I would like to laugh at this, because do you see that big pile of text on [[multiversal singularity]]? That was taken from a Hasbro response ABOUT SPECIFICALLY MOVIE THE FALLEN. The original question was "If The Fallen is a multiversal singularity, how can we reconcile these various different movie-originated versions of him, like in the novelization and childrens storybooks?" And then we got that answer. So to say that the answer does not pertain to movie The Fallen betrays a monumental ignorance of the subject at hand. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:11, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Prove it. According to Hasbro multiversal singularities can have different backgrounds in different universes and still be the SAME character. Confusing, but true. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::So they look exactly the same then? they have the same background? [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 12:56, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Somebody sign this guy up for a course in logic. Or at least ENGLISH. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:58, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::Seriously, read the [[multiversal singularity]] page. Specifically "multiversal dynamics". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:00, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::You said '''can''', not '''do'''. There's a difference. '''Can''' means possibly. '''Do''' means certainly. It doesn't prove their one and the same. The one bathed in fire isn't a Decepticon. In addition, Teletraan 1 (the other wiki) split theirs. [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 13:05, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Then go annoy them and leave us alone. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:08, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Besides, the other wiki is pretty much abandoned by this community. They're now almost independent. Not only that, but I'm pretty sure Hasbro said they were the same character. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 13:09, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yes, can. The Fallen has different backgrounds in different universes, but is still a singularity. Other singularities have the same background in different universes. Thus, singularities CAN have different backgrounds. Also, what Teletraan 1 does is not an argument that will go over well here. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:10, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::To cut a long story short, we're treating them as the same because Hasbro writer [[Forest Lee]], who's basically responsible for all the multiversal singularity stuff, ''says they are'', and has offered an explanation for how that works. And yes, kindly refrain from holding up ''anything'' Teletraan-1 does as a basis for how we should do things. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:22, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::I thank the other wiki a billion times for separating their Fallen pages, because Google sure likes our page way better now! (and that was fairly immediate) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:07, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Google still prefers Wikia if you add "Transformers" to your search terms for "The Fallen", at least from what I can tell. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:18, 27 May 2010 (EDT)

== Multiversal Clean Up ==

Some people's stubborn refusals to understand his nature aside, I think the article as written right now might contain a few too many "artifacts" from when we were still rather unsure of the Fallen's Multiversal Singularity status and how it worked. The "Origin" section for instance seems to exist entirely to present his differing origins as being a conflict while not mentioning at all that Hasbro's explanation on how singularities work explains any conflict away.

I think the page could use a slight "refresh" (the Origin section especially) to really make it clearer that all the differing apperences, actions, and even origins are all part and parcel of how a mulitversal singularity works and not mistakes or continuity conflicts.

Didn't want to try to touch/alter such a potentially controversial article without feeling people out on the idea first though. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

:Anyone have any real feelings on this one way or another? If no, I may attempt a clean up as discribed above in the near future. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 13:03, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
::I'm inclined that it gets a "refresh", given the "stubborn refusals to under his nature". MUL-TI-VERSE, how hard is it to understand? Oy. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:39, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::What is this 'multiverse' of which you speak? Is that a breakfast cereal?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:44, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
::::A wonderful porridge filled with all the vitamins and minerals (some necessary, some superfluous, and some bad for the waistline) for growing protoforms, from the same company that produces Garbage O's! :B --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:49, 27 May 2010 (EDT)

==Megatronous Prime==
Where the hell did the person who put The Fallen's real name as Megatronous Prime? Which comic or whatever included his real name did that person learn that?
:I believe it was mentioned in the [[Transformers: Exodus|Exodus novel]]. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::I wonder if that's a reference to the Covenant of Primus... "I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. I am that which is, which was, and is yet to come...and you will know my name is Megatron when I lay my vengeance upon you!" Sounds like it could be about the Fallen to me. If that's the case, other Megatrons may have named themselves after him to show how hardcore they are. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:58, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

===Appearance===
Dark, Decepticon symbol face, did he look like Soundblaster? Considering that [[Logos Prime|Soundblaster]] might or might not be one of the 13, feels like an odd coincidence. I guess we'll have to wait to find out if that actually means anything. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:43, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:No. He looked like this squat, ornately-carved boxy monstrosity whose whole body vaguely looked like a 'Con symbol, the face much moreso, with a big right-arm cannon. Hasbro said in a previous Q&A answer that we should not assume Logos Prime is one of the 13. I would not be surprised if that character never matters again. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:09, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::Considering Logos Prime can alter his appearance at will, and that Soundblaster is only one of those forms, Logos Prime can basically be any of the other 13 that he wants. Hell, maybe he's the Fallen. </fanon> --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:36, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I put up this section hoping for it to turn out that way. I think I should maybe discuss this on a messageboard. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Was it [http://t4ak.roblox.com/daaf9f4eb9b33f115661eb4a7c849007 this?] --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 15:17, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

==Megatronus vs Megatronus Prime==
When Hasbro did their Thirteen concept art presentation at BotCon, pre-The Fallen was just "Megatronus" rather than "Megatronus Prime". I assume this was intentional, as the only Thirteener to otherwise have "Prime" as part of his name in the line-up was Vector Prime. I don't know how this factoid should be incorporated, though. Just in Notes? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:07, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

== Life support chair ==

Where did this info come from? It wasn't clarified in the movie.--[[Special:Contributions/96.54.128.212|96.54.128.212]] 16:49, 23 December 2010 (EST)

== A little request ==

Can we have some notes to compare and contrast Fallen's tie-in IDW comics, game, and promo-render forms with the one presented in the final movie? Or at least, can someone explain to me here on this talk page? I know they're different...but I just can't put my finger on how (probably because of the drought of good full body screencaps of him in ROTF) and it's kind of bugged me for a while now. - [[User:Tyrannolodon|Tyrannolodon]] 11:09, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

== Disciples vs. Apostles ==

''"If the first Transformers were Cybertron's '''disciples''', then The Fallen is its Judas."'' I changed this to "apostles" a short time ago, and my edit was undone with this message as accompaniment: ''"The reference is to''' Jesus' twelve disciples'''. Not all of them became apostles, and not all apostles had been disciples."'' I believe there is a confusion here between "apostle" ("one who is sent forth") and "disciple" (student). The apostles were Jesus' twelve chosen: Peter, Andrew, James the Greater, John, Phillip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the Lesser, Thaddeus, Simon, and Judas (Judas was later replaced by Matthias, and the title was also granted to Paul and Barnabas). The disciples were simply the followers of Jesus: the first Christians. Since this page refers to the Twelve, the reference should say "apostle." And if anyone wants a source for all this (other than my Catholic upbringing), I'll list the Bible, CatholicAnswers, and my religion teacher (a Dominican sister who DEFINITELY knows what she is talking about). Sorry for the religion lesson, but I'm 99.9% sure that "apostle" is the right word here.
:-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] - 2:30 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
::You must not have listened carefully. Judas Iscariot was a disciple of Jesus, but he was never an apostle. Because he was not sent forth to teach after Jesus death and resurrection. At least that's the way it was explained in the Baptist Churches I grew up in.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:36, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::The only part of Judas sent forth was his intestines. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:44, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:Does that really apply anymore anyway? There is now the [[Liege Maximo|Liege Maximo]] so there would be two Judases. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:51, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::I'm still wondering if there is any actual evidence (the two being specifically mentioned as being somewhere at the same time for instance) that The Fallen isn't the Liege Maximo. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:52, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Uh, the relevant panels at the last two BotCons? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:52, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::What exactly was said at the panels, what I've heard didn't sound definitive. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:58, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::What was said is "This is The Liege Maximo. He's one of the 13. Here is Megatronus Prime, another member of the 13. Later, Megatronus Prime becomes this guy, The Fallen." Each of those three entities had their own art. Liege Maximo looked drastically different from Megatronus/Fallen. And... I'm pretty sure The Fallen isn't going to be two different members of the 13. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:27, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::Okay, that is clear. Given that it was stated that they are separate, my question is invalidated. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:19, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
I beg to differ, [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]]: he was sent forth '''before''' Jesus' death. [http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/luke/passage.aspx?q=luke+9:1-6 Luke 9:1-6] gives one account of this. Judas was one of the Twelve, AKA the apostles. Also, hee hee... intestines.
:-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 3:01 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
::I'm not arguing that he wasn't sent forth before Jesus's death, I'm arguing that "the apostles" are those sent forth AFTER Jesus's death. Paul was an apostle, never a disciple. Judas was a disciple, never an apostle (by the definition I gave). Since Fallen = Judas, apostle is not a good term to use here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:04, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Perhaps [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apostle the dictionary definition] can settle this? Note the list of the Twelve.
::::-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 15:59, 8 June 2011 (EDT) 3:59 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
:::::I really think this is a Catholic vs Protestant thing. To a Protestant hearing the word Apostle applied before Jesus's death seems weird. Do a google search for "12 Disciples" and look how many Protestant sources use that formulation. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:07, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::Whereas to a Catholic, "12 Disciples" sounds just plain uneducated (no offense intended). So what shall be done here? (All definitions I see in dictionaries still list Judas among the apostles.) -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 16:31, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

I'm gonna go out on a whim here and say we should have it compare the Thirteen to the Archangels and that The Fallen is their Lucifer. At least Judas was remorseful enough to kill himself. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:02, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:Lucifer was not an Archangel. He was a Seraph. In fact, the Archangels are the second-lowest in the nine choirs. -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 18:23, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::My point still stands: I had considered changing the comparison from Judas to Lucifer ages ago but opted not to out of respect for the lead ItsWalky wrote. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:35, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::I don't think "Lucifer was not an Archangel" is something that's universally agreed upon, especially since a lot of that stuff is, well, apocryphal. Googling "Lucifer Archangel" sure brings up a lot of stuff about how Lucifer is an Archangel, for example. I think you need to start stating these things with less certainty. There's a lot of Christian mythology, and it all doesn't agree with itself. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:38, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::To be perfectly honest, I ''can't'' state these things with less certainty. Being Catholic, I am obligated to believe what the Church teaches. I'm actually quite surprised and fascinated to see some of these other views that I'd never heard of before. But, in Catholic teaching (which we just so happen to regard as objective reality, not just our opinion), Judas was an apostle and Lucifer was the highest of the angels and thus a Seraph. I do hope I don't sound rude or inconsiderate or <insert negative adjective here>, because I don't mean to be. I'm simply pointing out what I thought was an error (that being said, I preferred the Judas comparison to the Lucifer one; [[Unicron]] would make a better Satan parallel). -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 20:11, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry if this has already been resolved, but wikipedia describes the definition of "apostle" to include Judas, stating that he wasn't sent afterward, and that the title was extended past the Twelve. They were sent out in Mark 6:7-13, and Matthew 10:1-4 explicitly calls Judas one of the apostles. Like, it says "the names of the twelve apostles are" and then says "Judas". Luke 6:12-16 says this as well, and indicates that they worked alongside other disciples who were not apostles.
::As far as archangels/seraphs -- Lucifer is not given an explicit rank beyond being the "highest of angels". There are two main treatments of the angelic hierarchy -- one with simply "angels" and "archangels", and one with all nine ranks organized in three spheres, essentially splitting the other's "archangel" into eight separate rungs, the lowest of which retains the name "archangel". Both rankings place Lucifer, Gabriel, Michael, and Raphael at the top, regardless of what they actually name that rank. It's basically a difference in terms/detail, rather than intent.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:28, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
:::To be fair, I guess saying "the thirteen are his disciples" isn't really "wrong", as the apostles ''were'' disciples.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:29, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

==The Fallen's plan in movie continuity==
Now forgive me if this was explained in any of the more recent IDW stuff (I don't own any comics past the ROTF adaptation), but has the Fallen's initial plan with Megatron ever been explained beyond: '''1. Find star harvester, 2. Find Matrix, 3. ???, 4. Control power of the AllSpark'''? By the timeframe of ROTF, the plan is evidently to use energon from the harvester to revitalise the AllSpark-less Cybertron, but this clearly wasn't their original intention. Thanks, [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 17:48, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

== Split? ==

I know that the Fallen is a multiuniversal singularity, but I honestly think the Movie incarnation of The Fallen should get a seperate page. I think the character's article is getting way too long and I think we should split that section. Like [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] gets a page for his appearances in the cartoon and Marvel Comics continuities, I believe that should happen here. We should split the section into an article titled <nowiki>[[The Fallen (Movie)]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[The Fallen (ROTF)]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[The Fallen/Live-action film continuity family]]</nowiki>.[[Special:Contributions/72.70.64.11|72.70.64.11]] 11:21, 8 November 2011 (EST)

:I know this has been discussed before. I, like you, believe it is possible for all Fallen's to actually be 1 Fallen, but I believe the film incarnation should get a seperate page anyway because this article is getting way too long.[[Special:Contributions/72.70.64.11|72.70.64.11]] 11:26, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::49 kb is not that particularly long. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:18, 8 November 2011 (EST)

== Exodus-Exiles ==

Should the two sections be merged to better represent the in-continuity chronological order?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 13:46, 1 December 2011 (EST)

== Capitalization concerning the Aligned continuity. ==

I don't have "Exodus" so readily available at the moment, but in "Exiles" the capitalization is "the Fallen", more used as an adjective than a name (likely as the "Fallen Prime"). I'm willing to do this, but I move for all mentions of "the Fallen" concerning the Aligned universe be written with the lower case "t", just as "Mini-Con" is "Minicon", or the whole "Brawl/Devastator" movie thing. Not all will be "the Fallen" (like in the movies that DOES have the capitalization) just information with the Aligned continuity family. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 22:15, 31 January 2012 (EST)

== Title ==

Should this not be at Megatronus? It's his true name and the name more often used nowadays in Aligned stuff. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:11, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:While I like the idea of putting the page at his original personal name rather than his moniker, I think more people know of the character by the moniker than by the name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:51, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:: The only time people regularly call him anything other than the Fallen is in Aligned stuff, so I'd say no. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 15:54, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:::Well, Aligned and IDW are the only stuff featuring him at this point (and are also two of the three-still running major continuities in the first place). Dreamwave material is now obscura and ROTF is a flash in the pan movie that nobody cares about anymore. The trend is towards using "Megatronus" over "the Fallen" now and that seems likely to continue in the future. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:Ehhhhn. The movie kind of has this article by the throat. It's why we decided to break our usual rule for the article-header picture, and I think it'd be odd to go with Megatronus. Right now, anyway.- [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 16:30, 17 December 2015 (EST)
::I still feel ROTF is old news now. It's been two movies since then, and all the general public remembers at best is "that random evil guy who got his face ripped off in that confusing movie". Is it really that big of an impact whether this article is at Megatronus or not for those people? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:23, 23 December 2015 (EST)

:::When you say IDW is featuring Megatronus/The Fallen in their stuff, are you referring to their RID tie-in comic, or has he made an appearance in IDWG1 that I haven't heard about? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 10:39, 23 December 2015 (EST)
::::He's been mentioned in IDW, and the Thirteen in general are becoming prominent parts of its mythology. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:29, 25 December 2015 (EST)
:There's also the notion that one of the whole points behind this guy is that, because he did something so terrible in the past, he's not supposed to have a real name anymore. So even if we know that he real name formerly was "Megatronus", he in his present life isn't supposed to be known by that name (or any name) anymore, much like how a few Optimus Primes were formerly "Orion Pax" in their earlier lives but not in their present lives. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:17, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::But that's not really the case in Aligned... [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:29, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::: It's the case in most other works of Aligned fiction except RID. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 16:48, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::::Exodus, Exiles, and the Covenant all made it clear that "Megatronus" was his name back ''before'' he fell, not after. The Prime cartoon even called in "The Fallen" in a present sense. Only the RID cartoon treats him with "Megatronus" as his present day name, and that's just one piece of fiction out of several. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:57, 25 December 2015 (EST)
:::::That may be true, but it's the ''only'' fiction featuring him right now. It's not like there's some other series calling him the Fallen at the same time. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:37, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::::::Unless he somehow comes back from the dead to return in season 2, RID isn't currently featuring Megatronus anymore after his only appearing in 3 out of 26 episodes, what with RID season 1 being long since done and over with by this point. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:52, 25 December 2015 (EST)

:::::::Ah. That's what I get for not actually watching the show. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 23:06, 25 December 2015 (EST)
I feel like we should revisit this? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:29, 9 January 2018 (EST)
:Seconded. With two of the three Prime Wars Trilogy cartoons using Megatronus as the primary name (Megatron only references The Fallen as a nickname/title of sorts, i.e. "the Fallen, the Flame, the one who stood apart from the original Thirteen, the first Decepticon"), that's another piece of non-Aligned media making the shift. It's also been almost a decade since RotF, so I think it doesn't hold as much weight as it used to. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:17, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::Agreed. 'The Fallen' title is rarely used anymore, with the biggest one being ROTF, but even then the movie came out almost 9 years ago. Since all current media refer to him as Megatronus, the page should really be called that. And here on this wiki, we usually do real names, not nicknames. Additionally 'Fallen' is a very common name amongst all media (and a word too). [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:12, 9 January 2018 (EST)
:::There is no amount of other media that counterbalances 1) the first name used for him in fiction or 2) BLOCKBUSTER LIVE ACTION MOVIE. I don't care if it was friggin' 60 years ago. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:43, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::::Plus it's like... in the ''title'' of that blockbuster live action movie. "Oh no, no one is going to remember the name of the bad guy from the movie with the name of the bad guy in the title" is just a weird concern. [[User:Diecast|Diecast]] ([[User talk:Diecast|talk]]) 17:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::::Right. Just. Fucking. Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)

== Change the mainpic? ==

Right, so here's the thing; RoTF's been out for a while, we've had two sequels and another forthcoming...and none of the movies since have ever even mentioned The Fallen. He's sort of become discarded within the movie continuity; I mean, you can't erase RoTF from existance, but it seems like Movie Fallen is being silently pushed aside. To this point, DW Fallen is still the most notable instance of the character, since he's both the first occurance of the concept and the (to this point) most unanimously lauded version; Aligned Fallen is screwed by Aligned itself being a clusterfuck, Movie Fallen was barely in his own movie and was not recieved well by anybody...Should we then maybe consider making Dreamwave Fallen the mainpic again?

Mostly because A) The DW-verse Fallen is the first body of the character; so, by the whole "first body/most notable body is mainpic" rule, DW!Fallen should be mainpic, not Movie!Fallen. And B) Movie Fallen has fallen into obscurity, at least as far as the character goes. We usually go with the most well-known bodies of these characters, and I know that DW (as...questionable as they were at times) still had a huge influence on TF comics, about as much as the movies did, IIRC.

So I'd say that we should at least hold a psuedo-council to see if we stick with the mainpic we have now or if we'll switch it out for a different mainpic. Anybody have any thoughts? [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 13:03, 21 February 2016 (EST)
:Most notable? How many people have seen the RotF movie versus know about the comics from a failed publisher? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:08, 21 February 2016 (EST)
::DW also single-handedly revived interest in TF comics from all sorts of comic fans, so obviously they're pretty well-known, even if they did go down in flames. RoTF, while still seen by many people, was also probably rather incredibly hampered by the massive negative reception it recieved, which means it probably didn't reach as much people as, say, it's sequel did. In fact, both DoTM and AoE are ''far'' above RoTF in revenue, so obviously a lot more people saw the former two and not the latter.

::Plus, we also need to consider that RoTF was, financially, not the most sucessful of the films; in fact, except for the original, it's the ''worst'' preforming of them. So really, I'd say DW's had a much more lasting impact than RoTF had, at least in any positive ways. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2016 (EST)

:::This accomplishes nothing. The mainpic now is perfectly fine. Besides, no one even remembers Dreamwave anymore, except to make Pat Lee jokes. I could see maybe changing the picture to a collage of Megatronus/The Fallen in various continuities similar the one over at [[Sideways (disambiguation)]], but changing to the way he looked in ten year old comics from a dead publisher is aggressively stupid. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:04, 21 February 2016 (EST)

::::Revenge of the Fallen total box office take: $836,300,000. Average ticket price in 2011: $8. Estimated number of people who saw it in the theater worldwide: 104,000,000. Let's be insanely conservative and assume that most people saw it twice. Still, 52,000,000 people. Let's further assume that the home video distribution reached a whopping ZERO people who didn't see the film theatrically.
::::Now let's look at DW. Biggest print run per issue: approximately 100,000. Let's be insanely generous and double that number, to 200,000 unique people reading a DW issue. Then let's double it again because of trade paperbacks, for 400,000. Let's double it a third time because maybe people are lending / selling their old issues. 800,000. Even with all these generous assumptions, Revenge of the Fallen had about 65 times the audience that DW did for its entire existence. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:07, 21 February 2016 (EST)

I'm reviving this discussion since over 8 years have passed and a lot more media has come out since. While RotF may have been the most prevalent piece of media to feature The Fallen, I feel it hasn't had significant influence on the character. I feel this is most evident with his upcoming toy in Age of the Primes being based off his Dreamwave body. I don't know a perfect solution to this as it may be hard to argue which iteration should be the one to headline the page, but as RotF's relevance dwindlts I think we need to reevaluate this. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 13:21, 9 November 2024 (EST)
:I support first appearance main pic if a split is off the table. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:25, 9 November 2024 (EST)

:: Throwing in my two cents, I think something like the "Optimus family comparison" photo on the [[Continuity family]] page would be a good idea. It would allow the various depictions of The Fallen (Dreamwave, ''ROTF'', ''Covenant'', ''RID (2015)'', ''POTP'', and ''One'') to be together under one image, maybe with a nod that almost every version of The Fallen's face seems to be based on the Decepticon faction symbol and the common visual of flames. While the Dreamwave incarnation is the first appearance and the basis of the upcoming toy in [[Transformers: Age of the Primes]], the Michael Bay incarnation is still part of one of the movie's names... so it's hard to completely dismiss that version's importance. <br><br>I also think the intro to the page needs a revamp from the "Evil Judas archetype" version that's been around for a while. If anything, more recent incarnations have been more "Cain" from The Bible's Cain and Abel story. Plus, ''One'' has introduced a non "Fallen" Megatronus, so now there's at least one version of this character who hasn't betrayed his fellow Primes (unless future media in this continuity family changes that).--[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 13:22, 30 November 2024 (EST)
:::Feels like this is sort of the same discussion about the page name as below, or at least dependent on it. At least in my opinion, if the page stays at The Fallen, the pic is probably fine. If it gets moved to Megatronus, though, it should definitely change. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 04:44, 3 December 2024 (EST)
:::I don't have much else to add. While I agree that there is merit to Megatronus I think that keeping it as The Fallen keeps it simple and less messy. Not looking to debate my stance, just want to leave it here for the record. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 14:24, 24 January 2025 (EST)

==Move to Megatronus?==
It feels like for the last several iterations, "Megatronus" has gotten more and more use than "The Fallen." Between that, the recent movie giving us a rare non-Fallen version of Megatronus, and now the new "Megatronus the Fallen" toy, would it make sense to move the page to "Megatronus" with "The Fallen" as a redirect, rather than the other way around? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 15:53, 28 October 2024 (EDT)
:I could go either way, but I believe time has indeed proven the previous obstinacy complaints from 2018 to have been false on its face, with ''Transformers One'' indeed having validated ''Robots in Disguise'' and ''Prime Wars Trilogy'' as "Megatronus" being Hasbro's preferred name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:07, 9 November 2024 (EST)
::I did have a discussion in Discord about this, and, yeah, I still support this move. "But the 15-year-old movie" is dull at this point. No, I don't care about aggro shut-down-the-discussion quips, either. (A good compromise would be to split this page like we do with everything else, then the movie guy can keep the name.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:20, 9 November 2024 (EST)
:::I feel like a split would be messy, since most Megatronuses (Megatroni?) are also, uh, Fallens (pluralizations are awkward here). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:08, 28 November 2024 (EST)
:::I agree that moving it seems like a good idea. As others have said, he’s been called Megatronus more times than he’s been called the Fallen. [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 17:13, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:Just calling him the Fallen feels outdated at this point, maybe the page could just be renamed "Megatronus The Fallen"?. -- [[User:MikeOsix|MikeOsix]] ([[User_talk:MikeOsix|talk]]) 20:53, 18 January 2024 (EST)
::We're definitely not doing THAT. To copy what I said on the Community Portal: I feel the need to point out that it's not just One Megatronus that didn't use the name. EVERY toyline and piece of media in the last decade — RID15, the Prime Wars cartoons, the POTP toy, the offhand mentions in Cyberverse — have used "Megatronus", completely dropping the idea that he stopped being Megatronus and became the Fallen. It's evidently how Hasbro thinks of the character; the Studio Series toy provides plenty of evidence that they could have just called the AOTP toy "The Fallen" if they'd wanted to. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:42, 18 January 2025 (EST)
can i vote against it on the grounds that "megatronus" is stupid --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 22:48, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:Echoing and expanding on what ''I'' said on the community portal, I feel that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses do still become The Fallen (the most recent mention of "The Fallen" being in the third issue of the Skybound comics), but replace the mainpic with his Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with a rewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. To me, renaming the page to Megatronus feels like renaming an Optimus Prime page to Orion Pax. The name was created to tell us what he was called before he became The Fallen, like how Orion Pax was what Optimus was called before he became Optimus Prime.
:TF One Megatronus never got to become The Fallen but he's a footnote of a character, not the new standard. As of now, the only impact TF One Megatronus has had on the brand is the official reveal video for Age of the Primes describing the very Dreamwave/Aligned-based AOTP version as "the most powerful Prime," while still also putting a grim, pronounced emphasis on "The Fallen" when referring to him as "Megatronus... '''''The Fallen'''''". And the fact that Hasbro decided to retain "The Fallen" part of the AOTP toy's name instead of just calling him "Megatronus" (which they easily could have done if they wanted to, but didn't) shows that they are unwilling to fully let go of that part of the character's identity.
:Looking over this article, of the twelve distinct versions covered on this page, the only ones that have not been given the "Fallen" moniker in any fiction (whether because they either never received it or were merely never confirmed to have received it) are the ones from the Prime Wars Trilogy, Cyberverse, IDW2 and TF One, compared to the named Fallens from Dreamwave, Fun Pub, Movieverse, Aligned, Animated (via the AllSpark Almanac II), JG1, IDW1, and Skybound. And that's with all of the different Movieverse comics/books/bios/games counted as versions of the same Fallen from the ROTF movie, both the Forged to Fight and Earth Wars Megatronuses considered versions of Prime Wars Trilogy Megatronus, and all of the disparate Aligned depictions counted as one guy since he was given the "Fallen" moniker in the novels, the Covenant book, the Prime cartoon (Bulkhead namedropped The Fallen in the episode "Partners" when he sarcastically remarked, "Yeah right! And I've been Lobbing with The Fallen!"); only RID2015 and its tie-in games/comics used just "Megatronus" but he's still the same guy as the "Fallen" mentioned in TF: Prime by virtue of RID2015 being a direct in-continuity sequel to TF: Prime and Fixit reiterating what Ratchet had originally said in TF: Prime about Megatron naming himself after Megatronus (ergo, RID2015 Megatronus counts as another "The Fallen" thanks to TF: Prime having called him that beforehand). It's a ratio of 4 non-Fallens vs. 8 Fallens. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:18, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::Pretty much all this. I feel like there's some real Recency Bias going on here, which has happened a few times in the past with stuff that didn't pan out (Tailgate, fer ex). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:18, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::''Robots in Disguise'' - "[[Battlegrounds, Part 1|Battlegrounds]]" turns 10 this year, 2025. That strikes me as a big stretch to be "recent". [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:42, 20 January 2025 (EST)
::You know, you make a good point. And I agree about the mainpic switch, it makes sense considering that one melds elements from all the major designs. Either that or the collage idea suggested above sound good to me. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 07:50, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:: I mean, it's more like if for the past 10 years of media and toys had almost all just used "Orion Pax". If that was the case, I dunno, I feel like using "Orion Pax" for a page name would be reasonable! Genuinely, I kind of feel like I'd respect it more if we just said "we're not moving it because 'the fallen' is a better name than 'megatronus'" rather than pretending like Megatronus ISN'T Hasbro's preferred terminology for the character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:38, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::If I can play devil's advocate: this example obviously isn't quite 1 to 1 because there's real world reasons behind it, but we haven't moved Slag to Slug because that's Hasbro's preferred name for him these days. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:47, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::::A good point! To be clear, I'd ''rather'' have the page at The Fallen, I just think the argument for Megatronus is more convincing than people are giving it credit for. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:49, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::::Okay, here we go: Wikipedia hasn't moved Darth Vader to Anakin Skywalker even though, by this point, in terms of media that "matters," he's appeared more as the later; for Marvel, Bucky's article is still at Bucky Barnes despite him being depicted as the Winter Soldier for the last 20 years. (I'm ignoring Wookipedia and the Marvel wiki because they have the inane "real name" policy that I find to be largely useless). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:30, 20 January 2025 (EST)
::::::I don't think what Wikipedia does regarding well-known characters that have been around for decades really matters here. (In the case of Bucky, Wikipedia goes with real names when the character has two or more notable identities, anyway.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:33, 21 January 2025 (EST)
:Echoing Walky's "Megatronus is dumb" sentiment, it's not only a dumb-sounding name, but the very idea of his name being known at all completely misses the entire point of the character, the whole point of what his becoming "The Fallen" even means. When he becomes "The Fallen", it means his name has been scrubbed from history and lost to time, meaning no one in the present-day who wasn't an original peer of his is supposed to know what original name was, or even be able to find out what it was. Meaning Megatron shouldn't have been able to even name himself after The Fallen in the first place. But even with that damage done, the name still exists as what he used to be called before his name was forgotten. "The Fallen" is meant to be his present-day moniker.
:The aforementioned Darth Vader is an excellent comparison, as the character was introduced as Darth Vader, then later fiction revealed his original name of Anakin Skywalker and went on to craft an enormous amount of fiction about Vader as Anakin, yet just like The Fallen, "Anakin Skywalker" is supposed to be a thing of the past when he becomes Darth Vader (only briefly resurfacing right before his death in Return of the Jedi, but I digress). Darth Vader represent his present, while Anakin Skywalker represents his past. Same as how "Orion Pax" is the past form of the present-day "Optimus Prime", and how "Megatronus" is the past form of the present-day "Fallen".
:And besides, don't we have some sort of "first used name" policy? [[Overhaul (Cybertron)]] spent ''way'' more time in that show as Leobreaker yet we keep him at "Overhaul". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:12, 20 January 2025 (EST)
::I think you're focusing a little too much on what should be instead of what is. Megatronus is his name, whether we like it or not; bemoaning its existence doesn't accomplish anything. "It's his past identity" doesn't really work when we have Megatronus show up in multiple stories as "Megatronus". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:44, 21 January 2025 (EST)
:I think we can at least agree that the intro could use a rewrite. I don't know if a collage like Sideways is more appropriate than one main pic, though Megatronus/The Fallen has had many different looks across the franchise. Anyways, I think a conceptual history would be a good addition considering how much his depiction has changed since the Dreamwave comics. [[User:Cydra|Cydra]] ([[User talk:Cydra|talk]]) 19:23, 20 January 2025 (EST)
:I would personally prefer to keep "The Fallen" as the page's name, but I've had thoughts on both sides of this discussion that I'm sharing to generate further discussion:
::'''Pro-"Megatronus" thoughts:''' "The Fallen" was introduced in 2003, and his original name of "Megatronus" was introduced in 2010, which means that as a "character", he's been called "Megatronus" for more years than the entire time he was known only as "The Fallen". "Megatronus" is still being used in contemporary media (''One'') and toylines ("Age of the Primes"), which means it's become a key component to the character's identity. As for the Darth Vader comparison... I think it's important to note that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker were introduced as two separate individuals in ''A New Hope'', only to be revealed as the same person in ''Empire Strikes Back''. Isn't that a similar situation to the [[Solomus]]/[[Tyrest (G1)]] scenario that happened, with Tyrest's page being moved/merged with Solomus's? Does Solomus act as a precedent for characters whose original names supersede their names up to that point?
::'''Pro-"The Fallen" thoughts''': If "The Fallen" was more of an archetype and other characters had begun adopting the title of "The Fallen" / began taking on the role of killing [[Solus Prime]] / betraying the [[Thirteen]] by serving [[Unicron]]... then I would see splitting pages / moving pages as the right choice. But so far that hasn't happened, and as previously pointed out: there are more Megatronus's who are "The Fallen" than those who aren't. Now if we see more and more Megatronuses who don't become The Fallen... well, we'll all be having the same conversation in a few years! But I don't quite think we've met that threshold yet, even with 15 years having passed - but that's really because the Aligned continuity went all-in on the Thirteen/Primus/Unicron lore, and most media franchises since then have focused on other members of the Thirteen (Alchemist, Quintus) besides The Fallen. Also... ''*deep breathe*'' I think we should still consider the existence of ''Revenge of '''The Fallen''','' even if it's a movie from 2009. ''*crowd groans*'' I know, I know. You've heard this one before.
::'''TLDR and Other Thoughts''':I think that unless the non-Fallens outnumber the Fallens, or unless "The Fallen" becomes more of an archetype and less of a character, it's better to let the page keep its current name. Is keeping the page at its current name doing any harm? Is it creating confusion among other editors/visitors? Would it be simpler to keep the page with its current title? Also, what about Megatronus being called "Megatronus Prime" in ''One''? If the next ten years see more incarnations called "Megatronus Prime", is this page going to be renamed again as Megatronus Prime? That's a future-proofing issue to consider. And ''regardless'' of whether the page is moved/renamed, we should change the main page picture and rewrite the introduction, but I've already talked about that in the "Change the Mainpic?" section up above. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 01:03, 21 January 2025 (EST)
:::I think one other point to note is that "The Fallen" is not a name, it's a title. It's what others call him because his true name has been forgotten, or intentionally obscured. His name is (usually) still Megatronus, he's just only known to others as, essentially, "the one who fell."
:::Now, for the sake of some numbers: the Dreamwave and Movie versions are only known as The Fallen and never had a name at all, both having predated the name entirely. The Prime Wars and TF One versions were only ever known as Megatrous and never called The Fallen at all. The IDW 2005 and Aligned versions are primarily called Megatronus in their fiction, and while they technically became known as The Fallen thereafter, neither ever made an appearance under that name; in the latter case, when he did show up after becoming The Fallen, he ''still called himself Megatronus.''
:::The Fun Pub version seems to be a bit of an outlier; near as I can tell he only had one very brief unnamed appearance in a group shot of the Thirteen, other characters made occasional references to The Fallen, and Ask Vector Prime established that he also had a Megatronus backstory.
:::Of his various toys, the only ones to be called The Fallen are the myriad toys of the movie character, the one toy of the Dreamwave character, and the new Age of the Primes toy visually based on the Dreamwave version that splits the difference and is called Megatronus the Fallen. Literally every other figure is simply Megatronus.
:::While I can certainly see merit in some of the arguments for keeping it at The Fallen, I think it's a very different situation than Optimus Prime (who is overwhelmingly called such, with Orion Pax only occasionally being used as his old name when he was young before he became Optimus Prime), or Slag (a name that was changed due to real world reasons that I think fits in the same bucket as Shockblast, Silverstreak, or Trailcutter).
:::(I will however absolutely agree that the name "Megatronus" is silly and unimaginative, but it's hardly the only one in this franchise) -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 02:21, 21 January 2025 (EST)
::::I'm not weighing in on the discussion, but I feel prompted to add that the ''Prime Wars Trilogy'' version of the character ''was'' called the Fallen, by Megatron, in the final episode of ''Titans Return.'' - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 07:21, 21 January 2025 (EST)
:::::Ah, I've not seen Prime Wars myself, I was going by what's on this page - and that detail isn't. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 16:08, 22 January 2025 (EST)
:"Megatronus" is a stupid name. "The Fallen" was the first usage of the character and is thematically more appropriate, to the extent any of that matters. (I wouldn't have moved Tyrest to Solomnus either, for what that's worth.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 14:58, 21 January 2025 (EST)
Regardless of whether the name changes, that mainpic has got to go. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:23, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:Here is basically where I stand. While I still prefer that we keep this article at "The Fallen" over "Megatronus", what matters even more to me are the other changes that have been discussed as of late: The mainpic being switched out for a better one (most preferably the AOTP toy art), the intro being rewritten to be more all-encompassing, and a proper "Conceptual History" section being added to the page. So, no matter what name is decided on, those other three changes, I feel, are each a much higher priority worth championing. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 25 January 2025 (EST)
::Seconded [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 18:38, 25 January 2025 (EST)

==Split Pages==
Now I'm new to this wiki so excuse me if I'm talking out of turn here but didn't the Shroud remove Multiversal singularities which in that case, shouldn't Megatronus be split into duplicate pages from the year the Shroud happened onward? Just asking -- [[User:Jasenomous_TF|Jasenomous_TF]] ([[User talk:Jasenomous_TF|talk]]) 13:34, 4 November 2024 (MDT)
:We don't split out singularities affected by the Shroud because all of their pre-Shroud appearances as singularities still exist as fiction. The Shroud didn't automatically invalidate those appearances because those pre-Shroud appearances are still canon. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:20, 4 November 2024 (EST)

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Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

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<br/><div class="list-header">'''Bookworm Database-Crash:'''</div>
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* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''GoBots Sister Wiki:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
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== Press release or logo for 30,000 articles? ==
Is it worth putting something together as we get very very close? Maybe something like:
* 3 from Thrilling 30 logo
* 0 from the 40th logo
* 0 from the Vector Sigma "Featured" logo
* 0 from the cosmic-streaking O in the TFTM opener
* 0 from GO!

Just a suggestion.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:45, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:If we wanted to go down that route, maybe tie into some of the contemporary material? Say, the "O"s from [[Energon Universe]] or [[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: Evolution|Evolution]]? (Though the latter isn't exactly straight-on...) --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:38, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::Sure! I lean towards the Energon Universe choice. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:48, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:Apologies, I've corrected the count on the main page as it was inaccurate, so we're not as close as it looked like we were. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:20, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::That just means we have more time to decide and, if so, pull things together. :) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:51, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:::Feels like we just leapt up 40 new articles in the last 2-3 days. Is it worth putting a graphic together? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:47, 18 January 2024 (EST)

=="Multi-pack" vs "gift set" and suchlike==
Incoming semantics, but... as I've been going through the toy entries, been trying to standardize/streamline a lot of stuff, and I think maybe a set of consistent terms/definitions for "a bunch of separate toys packed together" is in order. So lemme throw this out here for discussion/future reference...
*'''Multi-pack''' — A pack of toys where the contents (or at least most/some/any of them) are exclusive to this release, not sold in other packaging. Most multi-toy releases nowadays would fall under this umbrella by default.
*'''Gift set''' — A pack of toys where all of the contents are/were concurrently (or close enough) sold individually as well, without changes, in the same market. Like all the various G1 combiner sets.
The latter brings up the question of if we want to label all the Takara "VS" packs and the various UT-era "VALUE PACK!" sets under that umbrella, which I'm ambivalent-to-marginally-in-favor-of over. Especially as Takara's been putting out new "VS" packs where the toys are new decos not available elsewhere... also we kinda made up the "VS pack" term anyway, as memory serves, so. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:Hasbro has used the word "[[Giftset]]" to refer to unique variants not available separately. I'm inclined to think we shouldn't directly contradict that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:21, 8 January 2024 (EST)
::and damn but does that article need updating. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:22, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:::I'm inclined to think that Hasbro uses lots of terms in ways that are not exactly conducive to organizing a wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 8 January 2024 (EST)

==More bullet point insignia?==
Okay so... I recall there were some other possible faction symbol bullet points we could maybe use. I ran across a few with this batch of toy pics we might consider adding. I'll list them here, see if people can think of more. I feel like there might be a couple more two-faction matchups out there.
* Rescue Bots
* The various BotBots squads
* My First Transformers

I'm not un-convinced that we should have the bespoke insignia for stuff like the Disney Label, since they do use them on the packaging. So uh... there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:51, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:Also, while looking at the list of all the bullets on the template page... maybe we should see if we can split the list up a smidge? Like, put all the mutli-faction icons in one section, a section just for BotBots since there's gonna be quite a few of them? Alphabetizing them might also be in order. (I have exactly zero idea how those templates are coded, so uh, lemme know if that's doable.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:42, 13 January 2024 (EST)
::There's also the [[Star Wars Transformers]]... though I'm not sure if using ''Star Wars'' insignia falls too much out of this wiki's scope, although we do use at least use them on the actual characters' pages (see [[Darth Vader]]). [[User:Turborun|Turborun]] ([[User talk:Turborun|talk]]) 10:34, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:::I don't think we'd use SW insignia because, near as I can tell, the toy packaging doesn't mark the toys that way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:27, 14 January 2024 (EST)

== Idea for reducing the size of toy sections by compacting unchanged toy entries ==

I've come up with an idea that I think would make toy sections on character pages a little better and more intuitive. Instead of having a long list of entries for multiple releases of the exact same toy completely unchanged, we could just compact them all in a single entry, describing how the toy was available both individually and unchanged in a bunch of multipacks. This could be especially helpful with toy sections that are way too long, such as both the Movie Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toy pages that have been subject to a lot of discussion already.

[[User:Fritz/Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|I used the 2007 Legends Class section of the Movie Optimus Prime toy page to make a quick example out of it.]] The entries would be reduced from four to two toys, since 3/4 of them are the same toy anyway, and a lot of white space would be removed. As for the images of the multipacks, I don't think we would be losing much in removing them since the wiki has never prioritized images of packagings for anything really and, as I know is written somewhere in the "rules", the wiki isn't supposed to be used as an image hosting website in the first place.

So, any thoughts? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:18, 20 January 2024 (EST)
: We used to do this and it was actually kind of worse. There's also complications when unchanged toys end up being sold under different franchise headers, and when you add in all the other bullet point data a toy/set might have, you could end up with a lonnnnng list of bullet points before you get to the actual writeup, plus describing the multi-packs' contents... you're not really saving space while also kinda hurting the demi-chronological flow of the information. And deleting the multi-pack package imagery feels very wrong. It's one of those cases where there's no real ideal situation, but there's a least-bad one.
:That said, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure the first entry mentions these "repacks" alongside the redecoes and links to the relevant items. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)
::Good points, as usual. Now that you mentioned it, I think I do have a vague memory of this being done in the past. I was going to suggest the repacks from different toylines should remain separate, though. My mentality was that maybe we could have a way to highlight the "main" releases (original and redecoes/retools) from the "minor" ones (unchanged repacks) to make it easier to identify in a glance how many actually-different toys were released within a toyline, but I wouldn't want it to cause ''more'' confusion than ''less''. Anyway thanks for taking the time to evaluate the idea. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 05:54, 22 January 2024 (EST)

==Repurposings, continuity transplants, and using Template:Main/Template:See to improve navigability==
I've gone back to the drawing board to come up with a way to signal to readers where closely-related pages exist, as I don't think [[Help:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] pages are enough and have found [[Template:OtherVersions]] to be unideal. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Proposal re: G1 pages|Previously]], I'd suggested merging a bunch of pages for so-called "[[Continuity family|continuity]] transplants", but other users convinced me this would be a poor solution. One alternative suggestion, from [[User:Broadside]], was to use [[Template:Main]] to put key links to a character's appearances in other continuity families directly in the fiction section—[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Handling of "former GoBots" and "former Diaclone" characters on the wiki|reactions at the time]] were neutral-positive. You can see mockups for [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. This strikes me as the best of both worlds, because it keeps the consistent schema (which helps for page length and organisation) but also puts a link to the information in the place where your typical reader is expecting to find it (on the page for the highest-profile first incarnation of the character).

With the same philosophy in mind, I've also designed two new templates. The first, [[Template:Toyappeared]], is intended for use in toy write-ups as a way of linking to fiction write-ups and character pages. It covers [[repurposing]]s, "continuity transplants", notable instances of [[Show-accuracy|toy-accuracy]], in-fiction [[Reformatting|powerups]], [[Redeco#"Virtual" redecos|"virtual" redecos]], you name it. Toy write-ups are increasingly being duplicated across multiple character pages, which creates maintenance overhead, as both instances must be manually kept in sync. My suggestion is to use [[Template:See]] to link to the full information regarding a toy on the original page, with the repurposed instance giving only brief information of what the toy is and ''why'' it was repurposed or whatever. The second of my new templates has a much more specific intended use case: [[Template:Bwucharacter]] provides an easy way of explaining how/why a character was reinterpreted for their ''Uprising'' appearance, as ''Uprising'' accounts for most of the situations I view as being problematic.

I realise I'm proposing like five things at once here, so [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing|my sandbox]] has [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing#Full example|a full example]] demonstrating how it all works together, along with tons of individual examples of the templates' usage and a more thorough explanation of what I'm trying to address with them. Take a look, and let me know which aspects you like, which parts you don't like, or any ideas you have to add! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:24, 12 February 2024 (EST)
:I can vouch for these templates! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 15:38, 26 February 2024 (EST)
: I'm seeing a lot of problems with the implementation of some of this, and a lot of future headaches. The ones rolled out put what look like stub headers in a fiction section with just a small normal missable note up top; and in Override's case in specific, multiple stubs with completely redundant information. What this is ''going'' to do is get new people thinking that these are missing information that needs to be filled, then we gotta revert it and tell them no all that goes elsewhere, which is utterly unintuitive and will just lead to arguments and headaches all around.
: As for toys, in the instances of BWU-type stuff where it's a one-toy Mini-Con or whatever, I feel like NOT having the actual toy info for them on the BWU page, as with the Mini-Con Snow Cat toy currently, is not doing the reader any favors. Quite the opposite. Why are we making them jump to a different page for information that has no reason to not be right there? I don't like making readers jump through hoops needlessly, and that's all this feels like. And it's not like the toy sections of most of these are gonna see major changes, so lack of cross-updating is very, very, very unlikely to be an issue.
: I really don't think these require new templates and a bunch of new-editor landmines. At most, there's a decent argument to be made for re-positioning the "you look familiar" template that already exists, maybe below the main character writeup (above feels like a bad layout choice, pushing all kinds of stuff down.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:11, 28 February 2024 (EST)

== Listings and accessories ==

When I was making the description for cannonball based on the Walmart listing, there was mention of a Gatling gun and hammer not shown in the stock images,and left them out.

If I run into this type of situation again, what do I do?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 10:56, 7 March 2024 (EST)

== A few suggestions ==

Gallery pages should only include images that aren't easily accessed by going to the main page, to avoid cluttering. I guess this is not an issue now since the current gallery pages are fairly short.

There should be more dedication in listing alt-modes of characters. Maybe there should be a header or something. For example, if the Dreamwave version of [[Sunstorm (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Sunstorm]] transforms into an F-16 jet, it should be listed in the beginning with a header for the sake of easy access to the said information.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:59, 17 March 2024 (EDT)

== Will we get an article on The Masked Singer? ==

Will there be an article on TFWiki about The Masked Singer, specifically their recent "Transformers Night" episode (https://the-masked-singer.fandom.com/wiki/Transformers_Night)? --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 20:01, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

: Assuming it's a licensed appearance (I can't check the credits myself :C ), I can't think why it wouldn't be [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 21:15, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

:: It was indeed licensed. --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 22:30, 12 April 2024 (EDT)
:::Yes, as an official Hasbro-sanctioned piece of TF media, the episode does meet our requirements for inclusion. It just needs someone to write it up. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:22, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

== Franchise articles ==
So I was looking at the franchise pages to try and get an idea of what the standard is supposed to be for how they are written. Should all of them be updated to be more like the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)]] article? What was making me wonder this was that on the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)]] article it had a section for "Homages" and one for "New characters" which I don't think any other franchise article has. --[[User:1levichurch|1levichurch]] ([[User talk:1levichurch||talk]]) 22:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

== AI upscaled images ==
With fresh offsite talks about the matter, I put forth we add an official policy against posting AI upscaled images of any kind to the wiki, owing to their subpar performance in "enhancing" the quality of images. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:52, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
:Agreed. It's literally faking information and presenting it as official. (Also often noticeably terrible.) Sometimes the best quality available of something sucks, but we simply have to deal. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
::100 percent agreed. It's called "artificial" for a reason. Plenty of details would be lost out through the upscaling, and several times errors on the wiki somehow became official through Hastak using the wiki for references (the whole [[Circular reporting]] thing). If we start allowing AI upscaled images, then we're likely to have things lost to the annals of time. Potato quality is better than lost quality[[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 00:11, 2 May 2024 (EDT)
: Sure. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:43, 2 May 2024 (EDT)

== Ending addition of high-end statues ==
This is something I doubt other people have noticed, but I'm putting down a tent-peg on it: After having built the entries for dozens of high-end collectable TF statues in the last 2-3 years, from firms like Diamond Select, Imaginarium, Azure Sea, XM Studios, etc., and then seeing most of them either officially cancelled or never spoken of again with no reported purchases, I am going to stop adding such items here. If someone else feels like cataloguing them, great.

It really may not be possible for us to keep up with toy-like non-transforming merchandise (figurines and statues) the way we used to. There are at least two ''released'' series of G1 core cast micro-figurines with micro-comics and magnifying glasses, which would have been the rage of the fandom in 2005, that nobody ever got around to adding, and it feels like too much of a chore for me to start. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:35, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
: It's an unfortunate but very real thing that once you enter the world of licensed merch, we're ''gonna'' have big gaps. It's... a lot, on top of the "a lot" that is the regular TF toyline and fictional output today. I've said that the work involved in keeping up with all of TF's merch ought to be a full-time paying job, and I genuinely mean it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

== Transformers Roleplaying Game releases on the front page and sidebar ==

The [[Transformers Roleplaying Game]] is getting pretty frequent releases of both sourcebooks and pre-written adventures, and it occurs to me that it might be a good idea to have it on the "current releases" section of the front page and/or the navigation sidebar. How would people feel about that? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:49, 4 May 2024 (EDT)
: I think that makes a lot of sense, as long as we have people keeping up with the new releases to document them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:51, 4 May 2024 (EDT)

==How we handle weapons' toy/merch sections==
Okay, so like... I'm not really convinced that what we've been doing is the best way to handle the weapon pages' toys/merch sections. Honestly, they end up looking... really shoddy. There's just tiny scraps of info, vast wads of whitespace, few to no links, the images are tons of different sizes. <br>
I'm thinking that instead of all this... maybe this is a place where a gallery is in order, just a chronological procession. Have the captions just say what lines/toys the weapons came with and link to the toys directly on the character page. It's not like there's much to say about any of these, why not let the toy listing on the character page say it? Why make people scroll through screens of mostly-emptiness, which I feel they're increasingly unlikely to do? I may do a sandbox if I'm feeling up to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:24, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:[[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:WeaponPageToysSection]] - So... this, basically. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:39, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I'd be on board with that. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:34, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I like it. It would be far more compact than our current approach for, say, [[Fusion cannon#Toys]], while still getting the point across. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:13, 10 May 2024 (EDT)

==Proposal for Unproduced or Unreleased Template==
I don't think the Apocrypha template is particularly useful. It was created specifically for Alignment, but most of the things in it don't fit that criteria. Something like Unproduced or Unreleased Transformer media would be more self explanatory. [[User:WillR113|WillR113]] ([[User talk:WillR113|talk]]) 07:05, 11 May 2024 (EDT)

== Use of pictures from ebay, fan sites, etc ==

Is it appropriate to use pictures of toys from ebay, fan reviews, video review screenshots and the like? Under fair use and with source credit? Sometimes rarer items we don't have good pictures of on the wiki show up in these places. In particular I found a ebay seller with good images of EZ collection toys and and old Japanese review blog with images of Takara variants of HFTD/Autobot Alliance toys so that got me wondering. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (EDT)
:Images from eBay and other fan sites have been and can continue to be used, giving the fullest source credit feasible. I don't think we've ever needed to rely on video review screenshots and would always prefer to have a "normal" still image instead whenever possible. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:02, 16 May 2024 (EDT)

== ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' “再構成版” エピソード視聴ガイド "Re-Configuration Version" aka "Re-Constructed Version" Episode Viewing Guide ==

We really need to document the "canon" Japanese viewing order for ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' & ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010'' originally included with the ''Pioneer'' Laserdisc booklets & later apparently revised by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (市川裕文) for the DVD BOX SET 2 Instruction Booklet as it would help clean-up the chronology on many wiki pages here. From what I've been able to gather this particular viewing order differs from both the US/Japan production orders, the US-Airing order and the Japanese-Airing order. So what exactly is the order of the episodes of these two series according to these documents? Does anyone own them and able to list the specific order in which the episodes appear in those LD/DVD "Instruction Booklets" word-for-word? As it stands, we've only mentioned that a "narrative viewing order" exists but do not have it listed anywhere. For further clarification, it is not the order in which the episodes appear on the Japanese DVDs. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 01:09, 15 May 2024 (EDT)
:While this information would be valuable and is worth documenting, it's unlikely to result in us making any major changes to the way our information is structured. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:31, 16 May 2024 (EDT)
:Okay, having seen the booklets in question, it just lists the episodes in production order, continuity errors and all. So...absolutely no change, then. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:44, 17 May 2024 (EDT)

== Documenting MSRP? ==

Would it be worth documenting MSRP prices (in usd at least)? For the regular retail classes that's for the most part covered by the [[size class]] page, but we don't keep track of them for more specialty items like Masterpieces, multipacks, exclusives, one-off releases not in a normal size class, special lines like Missing Link, etc. It's something I find personally interesting and would've liked to know for older figures and someone in the future might want to know about today's releases. It can also offer some neat bits of info like how Premium Finish releases were generally one price point up compared to the figure's size or how the upcoming United Cliffjumper multipack is a whole $30 off what the individual figures would cost --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:20, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
:I think this would be very interesting, particularly when you scroll down pages for G1 toys that got multiple reissues like the Seekers, Insecticons, and tape players. It's just that - like the Designer Notes and the proper insignias on each and every toy - it would take forever to add and would probably wind up being one super-dedicated person having to do most of the work. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:28, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
::I might try to do what I can, going back to recatalogue everything would definitely be a chore. But at the very least I strongly believe it's something we can and should implement for future toy entries. I've started a [[User:BluJayWarrior/Sandbox|MSRP Sandbox]] to try out a few formats, any feedback is appreciated. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 05:18, 23 May 2024 (EDT)
::Cleaned up the sandbox page. Anyone have anything to say about the format? Might try applying Style 1 to a few pages this weekend if no one makes any objections. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 12:58, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Of those options I like Style 1 the best. As you already noted, the [[size class]] pages covers basically all normal U.S. retail from BW through Legacy, missing things like Platinum and MP. To find contemporary G1 prices, here are some good resources:
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20181125082555/https://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf84.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081109/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf85.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114091052/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf86.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114090836/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf87.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114084922/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf88.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081716/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf89.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114085830/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf90.html
:::https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/g1-original-retail-price-listing.1167895/
:::I tried looking for G2 MSRP but couldn't find anything as obvious. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:24, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Thanks for the sources, gonna have to sort through that later. Planning to start with new ROTB characters since they're smaller pages and prices can still be found. I've decided to add prices for retail classes for reader convenience; not everyone will know to go to the size class page for them and its not linked often enough to make it reasonable they would. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (EDT)

: I'd been working on a project like this a long time ago, had originally proposed adding this to the wiki, but then kinda stopped... mostly because near as I could tell, the MSRP in the 80s was something retailers could just make the hell up. The price ranges for any given toy were kinda all over the damn place, and the MSRP was something some retailers used to go "no really we're cheaper SEE?" then make up some price they supposedly "discounted" down from... you know, the thing that got Kay-Bee in legal-type troubles. I was increasingly unsure how to handle that wild price variance concisely on the wiki. In fact...
::https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PBE2i9vLE6fkr933GQbXosA1cxIqB3CkOSnzW0BMdwc/edit#gid=448439989
: Take a look-see. There's at least three different MSRP values for the standard Headmasters, never mind actual sticker prices. Like, I ''want'' to provide this kind of context, I really do, and it's pretty easy once we get to the unified price points of BW on... but for G1 and G2? Woof. That's going to take a bit of mulling. "Average" price maybe, but there's gonna be some Prices Georg here and there throwing shit off. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::RE: The sandbox... I'm gonna have to vote against Style 1, because, as noted, price info is very likely going to get... cluttered, and the longer that parenthetical is, the worse it is. I'd REALLY like to keep that to just "size class/type (if not obvious) and release year". And don't forget Takara-release prices, which can be more flexible even within a size class... but at least those have been ''extensively'' documented. I think we need to talk about bit more about everything we'd need to cover and ''how'' before we go implementing anything, and get a few more people in on the discussion. (Sorry for all the add-ons, lightly scattered today.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Fair enough on the old stuff since that gets convoluted, but the newer stuff is comparatively easier to do and I'd rather start sooner before some MSRP prices get harder to find (ROTB Autobots Unite subline prices seem to have disappeared already). Added the ROTB Airazor page I was gonna start with to the sandbox so you can see how the page might look as a whole. Since you object to Style 1 I added a Style 2 version too. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:38, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::: Assemble the data, sure, but I am going to say do ''not'' actually apply any of this to live articles. Again, there's barely been any time or discussion on a project that is... vast in scope, and we simply do not jump on stuff like this right away, because that means things will get not considered and then we have to re-do hundreds to thousands of pages... and we absolutely do ''not'' do it when there's a giant obvious gap (the first decade of the franchise) that still needs to be considered, as how we handle ''that'' will affect how we handle all the others, because we try and keep things consistent.
:::: Like, just off the top of my head, there's non-US-or-Japan markets to consider for just about everything normal-retail. Which makes me think we may want to look into a collapsible template, like with the toy designers and voice actors, to handle the other markets without overloading the bullet point sections, some of which are already a bit husky. There's the fact that Walmart and Target just dropped the prices on TF Deluxes in the US... but apparently, Hasbro didn't change their "MSRP"/cost at all. In fact a quick jump to Hasbro Pulse shows they're still charging $25 for a ''Legacy/Studio'' Deluxe, while I can pop to the local Target/Walmart and buy 'em at $20, so we gotta consider ranges just like with G1/G2. And again... ''I'm moderately convinced that "MSRP" in the USA was bullshit all along,'' so I don't know that it's the term we even want to use in the first place. Maybe "Retail price" would be better. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:17, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::I think just documenting the MSRP, if we know it, is enough. No need to go down the rabbit hole of tracking down what individual retailers sell them at when they disregard the MSRP (which as, after all, only a suggested price). In my opinion, at least, it's little different from listing the cover prices of books - the only difference is that Hasbro doesn't print their suggested price directly on the box.
:::::Totally hear you on waiting to the pull the trigger until it's been properly discussed, though. Also, I prefer BluJay's Style 2 as well. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:46, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::: Um, the problem is, again... I really don't think we HAVE any actual MSRPs outside of Takara's. What's been cataloged here are just "prices they were sold at", which isn't ''specifically'' a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price, the specific price suggested specifically by the manufacturer. Those we'd need a source for, and as I've pointed out, the handful of stated "MSRP"s we've seen for Hasbro stuff... well, someone was lying, likely multiple someones. For BW on we have a pretty strong ''inference'' of MSRP, but, well. And even that's not reliable... I just remembered that Walmart and Target were charging markedly different prices for the ''EarthSpark'' Tacticons, like, a $2 diff.
:::::: What I'm saying is, we might want to just not call it "MSRP" because of that (also, frankly I question how many people even recognize that acronym). And because of the wide variance in prices for older stuff, no, we don't need to list every price at every retailer (there were a billion retailers in the 80s... man, remember when actual competition in the market was a thing?), but we really OUGHT to account for the variance somehow, because it can be wide and ''full''. "''Original price''" might be best, since that's what we're actually reporting here, with something like "$2.99 - $4.99 (US) / ¥500 (Japan) <expand>". I'd rather do a range than a single-price "average" on old stuff, especially when we have so MUCH data on what these were sold at across the nation that we can see the trends and when a particularly high or low price is an outlier adn should not have been counted. "Modern" stuff we can certainly ignore, say, Kohl's's higher prices and just do the average probable-MSRP-if-those-actually-exist prices most places (all two of them) charge. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Alright, I'll make a [[User:BluJayWarrior/MSRP Catalog|separate sub page]] to catalog prices for now while that gets sorted out
::::As Dark T said, I think prioritizing initial Hasbro MSRP is best as it is the "intended" price (this is what [https://brickset.com Brickset] does for Lego). It's a point of consistency since historically different retailers tend have slight variations on the price anyway (Target/Walmart sometimes being slightly lower, Kohls/BBTS being higher, general lag on reflecting the msrp price increases a few years ago, etc) and I don't think that whole range needs to be noted. Admittedly the current Target/Walmart prices drops are pretty unusual (a whole $5?!) but unless it becomes something more widespread I personally wouldn't consider it as a data point. Might be worth making a note of somewhere if anything, though I'm not sure where --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 04:26, 25 May 2024 (EDT)

==Micronauts, etc.==
Why are we suddenly gaining detailed issue write-ups for so much of Micronauts, which contains no TF elements at all? Isn't that the point of the IDW Hasbroverse wiki? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:14, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:Oh and look, now whole issues of M.A.S.K. written 7 years ago with no TF content whatsoever are being pasted from the Hasbroverse wiki. Is the other site going offline or something? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::I don't think it was really our intention to formally unveil the project until we were further along, but some of us have been doing a fair bit of work towards creating a [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page sister wiki for ''G.I. Joe''] where the [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Comics#IDW_Publishing_3 out-of-scope IDW Joe coverage] has already been re-homed. The Joe crew hasn't made any calls about what do with non-Joe stuff to be clear (we're sort of preoccupied, there's so much Joe you guys) but I'm guessing the idea here is to align the rest with our [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive71#Energon Universe coverage|current approach]] to [[Energon Universe|Skybound's shared universe]] and sundown the IDW one? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:43, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:::That is more or less the intention, yeah. The Hasbroverse wiki was built at a time where it was perhaps anticipated to be grander than it ended up being, and it wasn't certain how long it was going to run; with the end result being "not very", having this other vestigial site for what is ultimately not a lot of content just doesn't feel practical. The exception, of course, is pre-V5 Joe, which has ''always'' been the sticking point in discussions about moving Hasbroverse content here, both for the amount and for how little it has to do with the IDW Transformers line. Having a dedicated Joe wiki solves that problem and frees up the rest of the Hasbroverse stuff to be reintegrated. Plus, there's still new Joe material being released to this day; arguably having a complete and better curated site for the franchise as a whole that continues to be updated with new releases is more likely to drive traffic and get other people to contribute than it would be linking to a dead wiki for a long-ended comic line that's had the same featured articles for five years because no one cares to add anything to it anymore. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:59, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::::It does look like a rough consensus was reached to do this back in 2021 ([[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Reintegration_of_Hasbroverse_wiki_content|Archive 69]]), it was just never implemented. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::Like half of MASK issues have something from Transformers in them. Picking and choosing which select issues to cover here is hair-splitting and obnoxious for readers. It's immensely better to just have all the information in one, easily-accessible spot and regard Hasbro Universe as a de facto spinoff of Transformers, much like Beastformers and Energon Universe are. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)

==One spoilers==
I propose that information about this movie be withheld until it actually opens in its largest market next weekend. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:04, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
: Agreed. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:08, 14 September 2024 (EDT)

==Transformers One and the conversation we've all been waiting for==

On September 12th, Lorenzo di Bonaventura [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/is-transformers-one-a-prequel-optimus-prime-origin-story-exclusive/ clarified the relationship] between ''Transformers One'' and the live-action ''Transformers'' films, describing them as "two universes" that will be "separate". For some, this kind of explicit confirmation may come as a relief after years of wishy-washy answers regarding ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but it also leaves us with questions on how to best handle ''One''-related information going forward. Around 2015, we adopted a unique layout we applied to all the movie characters, where we organized their movie appearances at the top of the page, regardless of chronological order of release (see "[[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Movies]]"). Obviously, this leads to some questions regarding how we should handle our ''One'' coverage going forward.

The way I see it, we have three options:

* '''Keep the page format as is, and keep''' '''''One''''' '''up with the rest of the movies''': For obvious reasons I think this is probably our weakest possible solution; it's pretty clear at this point that our current solution for classifying the films is not really sustainable, and mashing them all together under a single loosely-affiliated umbrella is already confusing and frustrating people who aren't intimately acquainted with the mechanics of the wiki.

* '''Reorganize movie character pages so that we acknowledge the live-action films and''' '''''One''''' '''as separate continuities within one continuity family, similar to how our G1 pages cover Sunbow, Marvel, JG1, IDW, etc.''': Historically speaking, this is probably the safest option, but from what I understand there is very little "connective tissue"—visually, character-wise, plot-beats—between the live-action films and ''One'' beyond the inertia of "they were both made by Paramount". As some people have discussed in the past, this could lead to a full or partial reformat of our movie character coverage to more clearly reflect the ambiguous "prequel" status of ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but this may be a conversation for another time.

* '''Separate''' '''''One''''' '''as an entirely new continuity family and split out the relevant information so we have pages for "Optimus Prime (One)", "Megatron (One)", etc.''' Probably the most radical proposal, but this is honestly where I'm at right now: from what I understand the movie is a pretty radical departure from everything that's gone before, with entirely new interpretations of old ''Transformers'' lore—I'd classify it as the start of a new "franchise" in the same way that we distinguish ''Earthspark'' and ''Cyberverse'' despite them both clearly drawing on the same well of post-Aligned lore, and these days "new franchise" is generally synonymous with "new continuity family" for the ease of wiki bookkeeping.

We would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter! '''As the film is not out yet in all regions please refrain from posting spoilers here'''. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 08:56, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I could see option 3 being the way we go, but what holds me back from that is that beyond just Paramount, Spielberg and Bay are still executive producers on the film. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:39, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I think we should put them on the Earthspark Continuity pages to satisfy no-one /j - but yeah, the film is drawing from the same vaguely Binder Of Revelation backstory as everything else for the last 10 years, and unless they have been hiding The Fallen twisting D-16 to evil or the twist that the Creators were the Quintessons all along, One feels pretty decoupled from the rest of the movies. The big issue I see with splitting out fully is that people wondering why we do not do the same for Bumblebee/ROTB, but that more easily passes a "vibe check" as being "Movie-adjacent" and belonging on the same page as the Bay 5-dom than One so far. Agree that trying to put them directly alongside the other movies as a prequel feels both unwieldy and confusing. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 09:41, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3''', I think creating separate pages is the way to go. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 09:54, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::I vote for '''option 2'''. To me the movie is different enough to be a separate universe but not an entirely different continuity. Josh Cooley himself on April 18 when asked whether the film is a fresh start, a prequel to the live-action films, or its own thing, replied with: "yes to all of the above" https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status. (And having seen the movie I can confirm those connections to the live-action series do exist). [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:05, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3'''. One has always felt very different to the previous live action movies so I feel it should get its own dedicated pages. As for BB and ROTB, there is "connective tissue" to the Bayverse movies so I feel they can stay on the pre-existing movie pages. [[User:PublicCrown|PublicCrown]] ([[User talk:PublicCrown|talk]]) 10:25, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having viewed the film at an advance screening, I think there are easily enough references and homages to previous films that '''option two''' makes the most sense. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 10:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I'm favorable for the '''3rd option''', it is still produced under Paramount & there are some producers attached to the project that were on previous movies, but my stance is that we should judge based on the final product & having seen the movie, it doesn't try to be in line to what came before (there are some similarities in design & names, but it stops there since every popular TF stories has influence over the next ones), helped by the new team of writers & creatives. If we can treat each new cartoon as its own entity (even tho in recent years they are streamlined in some areas), I think we can do the same for the recent movies that have more contradictory elements to the Bayverse –[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:49, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''<nowiki>#3</nowiki>''' is the cleanest option to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:32, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I think from a practical perspective, '''#3''' is the only real option. Looking at the loose guidelines for a new family on our [[continuity family]] page:
:*"a fresh continuity" — Yep, even Lorenzo's acknowledged this. Even if we questioned that, there's stuff like the AllSpark being absent (with the Matrix pretty much taking exactly the role the AllSpark would have), Megatronus being a good guy, and Sentinel's role being entirely irreconcilable with Dark of the Moon.
:*"within a separate franchise" — Yep. New franchise, and the marketing hasn't done anything to allude to the live-action films specifically.
:*"significantly different in cast, theme, style, etc." — This is the big sticking point for me. One makes no attempt to align with the visual style or characterisations of the live-action films. The sole real connective point is B-127 (name from ''Bumblebee'', he has the big cheeks and antenna of the movie guy, and his talking a lot is clearly a meta-gag about him losing his voice), but even he's characterised completely differently, as the "comedy crazy guy" who's a peer to Optimus and co instead of the cool-but-rude big brother figure from Bay/Bee/Beasts.
:I'm sympathetic to the Paramount/Bay/Spielberg/Di Bonaventura connective tissue, but my big rebuttal there is that we don't consider ''EarthSpark'' to be Aligned because Nicole Dubuc is the showrunner. Ultimately, if we hadn't had pre-release producer statements (now contradicted) calling it a prequel to the other movies, there's absolutely no way this would be in question — we'd already have it as a separate continuity family. And from a wiki organisation standpoint I don't think there's any way to, say, write up Sentinel Prime's opening paragraph in a way that adequately covers both the DOTM and One characters without genericising it to the point of uselessness. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 12:33, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::Yeah, I think '''#3''' is straightforward and likely the approach we'd take if we were presented with the film, as a story, with zero context on the studio releasing it or EPs involved or whatever. I also think there's a high likelihood that the next live-action film will have Elita appear and be like "hey Optimus remember when we were in Transformers One?" and we'll all groan and have to reconsider, but until then, I think the real-world context is basically the only thing separating One from just being the next Broadly Aligned-y New Thing like Cyberverse and EarthSpark before it, which we consistently split out for organisation reasons. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Toss me in for '''Option 3''' of an entirely new continuity given how ''different'' the story details has been laid out when compared to the original 2007 film-verse and then later what's set by ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:38, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting for '''option #2'''. While we would still have the outlier of TF:TAM 86 being a theatrically released movie in the G1 continuity family, I see no reason why "movie continuity family" would not only include transmedia spinoffs from feature films (''Reign of Starscream'', toy redeco Tech Specs, etc. etc.) but also feature films which are belonging different timelines and story universes. This would also free us from having to reconcile Movie 'Bee's history -- did he come to Earth in the 1940s or the 1980s? -- and put to bed *that* long running argument about whether the Bay-directed films were the same universe as BB and RotB or not -- now they don't have to be! [[User:Banpei the Mini-Con|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con|talk]]) 14:58, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having seen the movie, I think '''#3''' is our cleanest option. Between the Lorenzo interview and, without going into spoilers, the numerous discrepencies there are, I don't think we can get away with suiting it out ala G1. The time may come when we do that for Bumblebee onwards but as far as One goes, I say we treat it as a new continuity. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 19:53, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''#3'''. #2 was close for me, but TFOne (having seen the movie) is so artistically different from the live action movies, it feels pointless to keep it on the same page like G1/IDW. Ironically, we could give Bayverse/BB&ROTB the G1/IDW treatment. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 23:23, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:I think 3 is where I'm leaning after seeing the film. Keeping this as "movie continuity" simply because it was released theatrically doesn't make sense to me. We wouldn't do that with a new comic or show because it was the same medium, why do it for a movie just because of that? Yes There is some CNA here to the live action films, but it could be argued it has just as much pulled from G1. One is it's own thing in the end. Trying to fit it into the live action movie box just doesn't feel right in this case.--[[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 05:47, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I vote for '''Option 3''' for all the reasons previously mentioned as well as size concerns. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''Option 3''', I believe the movie was clearly made with a new continuity in mind.-[[User:TitaniumToughGuy|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy|talk]]) 09:38, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
===CHECKPOINT (2024/09/16)===
*Votes for Option 1: 1 (96megatron)
*Votes for Option 2: 3 (GrievousPrime, Archforce, Banpei the Mini-Con)
*Votes for Option 3: 15 (Locoman, AkibaSilver, MrRald, PublicCrown, MahXyme, Saix, Broadside, Jalaguy, Lonegamer, Ezim93, Boingus, ParadoxFactor, Khajidha, TitaniumToughGuy, CyberLink420)
As it stands, current consensus is pretty overwhelmingly in favor of Option 3 by a ratio of 5:1. I know it's only been a day, but barring a sudden swell of support for #2, it might be prudent to start switching everything over. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:20, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
: I'm reluctant to make actual changes until the movie hits wide release and the general public can make informed input. Give it a few more days. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 10:40, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::This. Let people... SEE the movie before we make important decisions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::Right. We can wait a few days for more than a small handful of people to see this and base their decision on, you know, '''''the actual movie''''' rather than whatever someone who had something to do with it says ''this'' week, which historically has waffled between "vague" and "contradictory". Hell, even ''now'' some of them are still being all "well maybe it is and maybe it isn't" and frankly I have no faith they won't ride that ambiguity for a long time like they've done since ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::I've said ever since Keegan Michael Key tweeted as much that One should be treated as a separate continuity. '''Option 3''' for sure. {{unsigned|jmcdavid}}
:'''Option 3'''. I've seen the movie and other users have covered why that seems like the best choice. It feels as different from the previous movies as Prime is from Animated, or Earthspark from Sunbow (which, despite directly homaging/referencing Sunbow, Earthspark is considered separate from). [[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 18:01, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::I vote '''Option 2'''. There seems to be a large focus on whether or not the film fits in continuity with the prior films, but considering how little they fit with each other that feels irrelevant to me. The creators have been rather unclear whether this film should be considered separate from the ongoing live-action series in terms of production, just in terms of universe. If we had a sense this was the springboard for an entirely separate animated film series I'd say Option 3, but it feels unwarranted at this time. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 20:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I'm voting '''Option 3'''; much of my reasons are the same as others have stated above, and I do apologise for opening this bags of worms on the ''One'' talk page. It's not that I don't understand why some people are opposed to creating a new set if pages, but for argument's sake, if ''One'' gets one or more sequels, it would likely draw further away from the established live-action films and become its own continuity/franchise (though that's more of a what-if right now). Overall, I personally think that separating live-action films and animated ones into their own continuities is a reasonable option, and I believe that ''One'' has proven itself a different entity. [[User:Prime Temple|Prime Temple]] ([[User talk:Prime Temple|talk]]) 06:26, 17 September 2024 (EDT)

::Also '''Option 3''' . In tone, content, continuity, style, story, just feels too different to me from the Michael Bay and other films, really only having the method of release in common. It feels more separate from the other movies than even Cyberverse from G1, and that’s happily separate. —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 10:05, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Screen Rant: I vote for '''Option 1''' This came out from ScreenRant today. Is Transformers One considered a prequel to the recent movies of Bumblebee and Rise of the Beast or the original live-action film starting in 2007? Or is it something completely, entirely new? ... Lorenzo di Bonaventura: "It obviously exists beforehand. I think we figured it out. It was like 300 million years before the first Michael Bay movie, so if that's a prequel, that's a prequel. But we're really following the lore about where it starts, and so we really just think about it as the beginning of the story. The origin, yes, but literally the beginning of the thing that we've all come to appreciate." https://screenrant.com/transformers-one-lorenzo-di-bonaventura-and-josh-cooley-interview/ [[User:96megatron|96megatron]] ([[User talk:96megatron|talk]]) 10:56, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
::Voting for '''Option 2'''. If adding stuff like Aligned backstory influence disqualifies One from being movie, then there could be an argument for splitting IDW characters off from the G1 pages because of things like the absence of the traditional "Ark crashes on Earth, everyone wakes up 4 million years later" backstory, and no amount of Owning The Bayverse (which I can't help but feel some of the desire to split One off is fueled by) is worth opening that can of worms. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 12:31, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting '''Option 3''', y'all gotta stop taking Lorenzo's word as gospel especially over the actual creatives behind these movies. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 14:25, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting '''Option 3''', Lorenzo has made multiple contradictory statements in the past, some having been outright proven wrong. He doesn't seem like he's involved enough in the productions in order to make concrete statements about their continuity, nor is he a representative of Hasbro. [[User:TheDarkMage10218|TheDarkMage10218]] ([[User talk:TheDarkMage10218|talk]]) 19:30, 17 September 2024 (CST)
:: While I would agree that splitting it out makes the most sense as I currently see it, lets also not pretend the wiki is under some thrall to the evil boogeyman known as "the fandoms view of Lorenzo" and ignore that multiple creatives for all the movies people like to argue are definitely not Bayverse for realsies have made contradictory statements about whether or not the films are all supposed to be prequels / sequels, and its because [https://x.com/SJ_Broadside/status/1836084548020338988 they are not ubernerds who care about whether this movie perfectly follows the backstory of one from nearly 2 decades ago]. Just personally, I am seeing this like the High Moon Games advertising themselves as a G1 prequel back in the day - for people not like us, all of Transformers falls into the same vague umbrella, so sure, it can be a "prequel" to the rest of the movies, in the same way Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime to Hasbro, no matter whether he be G1, Movie, Animated, or Armada. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 04:34, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:::Haven't seen the movie yet, but I strongly agree with that comment. This wiki has never been governed by author intent, and particularly regarding the live-action movies there are too many authors giving too much contradictory intent about contradictory material. ''We'' made up the concept of a "continuity family," that concept ''we made up'' is now old enough for a driver's license, we will have to continue making our own judgments about which stories mesh with what. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:45, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:::: All this, and as to that last point: "continuity family" ''has literally '''NEVER''' meant "all fits into one actual internal timeline"''. There's a reason we used the word "family". We treat the totally-irreconcilable-timelines-having G1 cartoon and G1 comic as part of the same "family" (and BW as well), because of an ''external'' concept of them being "related" to each other by dint of the how and who and why of their creations. And this has held true as we moved forward, the above-mentioned High Moon statements being a very good example. The sheer squirreliness of multiple creatives -and the films themselves- over the past half-decade or so over "continuity" (and let's just dismiss out of hand what a ''voice actor'' thinks, okay), doesn't exactly make me think that the future won't see more squirreliness in whatever comes next. "The existing character pages are too big already" is a more convincing argument for a full-on split, and we got subpages/suites for that problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:17, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
::::: You all make great points; I amend my reasoning for my choice of Option 3: One deviates stylistically and tonally from the live-action movies, and it isn't even live-action to begin with. [[User:TheDarkMage10218|TheDarkMage10218]] ([[User talk:TheDarkMage10218|talk]]) 22:37, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having seen the movie, I believe '''Option 3''' is the best. It is irreconcilable with the Bay films on several levels (more so than ROTB/Bumblebee). It is extremely aesthetically and tonally different from them as well. I feel that grouping One with the rest of the live-action films simply because they share the same release venue would be akin to grouping Prime and G1. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 15:22, 18 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just got out of the advanced screening, I think '''Option 3''' would be the best option. There's a few details that clash with the prior films in many regards. It has an overall different feel. --[[User:GordonShumway8690|GordonShumway8690]] ([[User talk:GordonShumway8690|talk]]) 22:10, 18 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just saw the movie, and I vote '''Option 3'''. This movie ''cannot'' be in the same continuity as the other films, so Option 3 would be our safest bet. [[User:Decepticon Stryker|Decepticon Stryker]] ([[User talk:Decepticon Stryker|talk]]) 01:06, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Another vote by a movie watcher for '''Option 3.''' Several events in the third act counter what has happened in Bay's films. For the ease of the wiki having it stay separated is the best way to prevent headaches and finger pointing by having it all on the same page. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 12:21, 19 September 2024 (EDT)
:Does my vote count when I watch it tomorrow? [[User:JasenomousTF|JasenomousTF]] ([[User talk:JasenomousTF|talk]]) 17:27, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Saw the film yesterday, only delayed a response because I didn't think I could come up with any unique arguments. But a vote is a vote, and mine is '''Option 3'''. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] ([[User talk:Bobpiecheese|talk]]) 19:32, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Count me among the other votes for '''Option 3'''. After seeing the movie, there really is no possible way to finagle it into the pre-existing Movie continuity, even in an Aligned Continuity "works-if-you-squint" manner. It's absolutely its own thing by the definitions the Wiki uses to separate continuities from one another. [[User:SlimerJoel|SlimerJoel]] ([[User talk:SlimerJoel|talk]]) 19:42, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

Just got back from seeing the movie, giving a vote for '''Option 3'''. The film is significantly different in tone, lore, designs, characterization, and story beats from bayverse. Arguably closer to aligned or idw1 [[User:Arren1234|Arren]] ([[User talk:Arren1234|talk]]) 21:31, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Having just seen the film, it is thoroughly '''Option 3'''. There isn't a single link in play between this and the live action films, not even in design or animation language. Hell, you could make a vastly stronger argument for it being a prequel to the Aligned continuity than the films. Just from an ease of use angle, I also don't think people who are coming in for Transformers One info are going to want to dig through years of irrelevant existing live action film content in the first place. [[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 02:16, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just seen the film. Definitely '''Option 3'''. I was just thinking it would be easier too for newcomers looking for info to not have to encounter a mainpic and write-up that describes a totally different person up top. [[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 09:10, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

Coming out of the movie, I was '''Option 2'''. Definitely separate from the live action films, but I think it would be convenient to have all the films (that aren’t extended episodes of a pre-existing cartoon) all under the same umbrella. I do understand the arguments that it’s really different in tone and content from the other films, but so is 2005 IDW to G1. Maybe do a suite page that includes everything One related? Like, Optimus Prime (Movie) Main/Games/Toys/One? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 20:34, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
:Suiting is only done in instances where a single subject, such as a specific piece of media or a toy section, gets ''so'' big that it starts to overwhelm the page, something that absolutely does not apply to ''One'' yet. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:39, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
::Correct me if I’m wrong, but was Shattered Glass Unicron really overwhelming the rest of the page on its own? Or RID2001 Universe Optimus Prime? I figured they were just really distinct and separate from all the ether appearances. Unless there’s something I’m not completely understanding about the suiteing rules (which I admit is entirely possible), I think that hypothetically making a One suite for all the big main characters and their toys would be convenient. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 11:12, 21 September 2024 (EDT)
:::Shattered Glass Unicron and the female, yellow 2003 Universe RID2001 Optimus Prime pages also have arguments of merging them with the larger articles they were originally spun off from. [[User:Shockwave2018|Shockwave2018]] ([[User talk:Shockwave2018|talk]]) 21:07, 23 September 2024 (GMT-3)

'''Option 3'''. After having watched the movie, it's substantially different so as to be disconnected from the live action movies, and I don't like the precedence it sets to lump every movie together from here on out, especially if this one's success inspires future free-standing Transformers movies down the line. I understand it with the live-action movies, because the line was very blurry, but it's pretty obvious that this one is separate. [[User:Thunderwolf|Thunderwolf]] ([[User talk:Thunderwolf|talk]]) 21:10, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

'''Option 3'''. I just got back from watching the movie, and it's the option that makes the most sense. There's just too much to connect it to the previous films, and while I do see where Option 2 is coming from I don't even think there's enough in common for it to be in the same continuity family (and I don't think its a good idea to throw every single movie that we're unsure about into the the 2007 family imo). Also taking into account the contradictory statements regarding the movie from producers and higher-ups, I think the simplest and most user-friendly option is to put everything into one new continuity family. If something changes so be it, but based on what we have 3 is the best choice. [[User:Hyperious|Hyperious]] ([[User talk:Hyperious|talk]]) 18:19, 21 September 2024 (EDT)

:Might as well throw my vote for '''Option 3''' in too. Even if we keep having this conversation over every new movie they release, it's already very clear that the best ''for wiki purposes'' is to split One from the rest. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:23, 21 September 2024 (EDT)
I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't quite feel right casting a vote here, but I do have one question: to those in favor of option 2, what do you feel makes Transformers One in the same family as the live-action movies, that didn't make Earthspark in the same family as Cyberverse? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:39, 24 September 2024 (EDT)
: The fact that Cyberverse and Earthspark are sold as entirely separate franchises, whereas this is just the new movie. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 07:19, 24 September 2024 (EDT)
::''All'' of the Paramount TF movies have had their own separate franchises. Heck, even the 2010 Movieverse toyline between ROTF and DOTM was its own franchise and it didn't even have a movie. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:51, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

We've clearly long since moved forward with this but just for posterity now that I've finally made it out to the theater, '''Option 3''' does indeed strike me as the right call. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:24, 29 September 2024 (EDT)
:I second what Azimuth said, now. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:29, 2 October 2024 (EDT)

== Privacy Policy ==

It occurred to me recently that the Privacy Policy has not been adopted though it has been over fifteen years since it was originally written. I wrote a couple of things in its talk page but ultimately got no response. I then contacted abates on what to do next, he told me I could write up a new intro in the talk page. I did, and it hasn't had a response. The policy is linked to at the bottom of every page on the wiki, so if we could get some activity on its talk page, I'd appreciate it. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 20:41, 6 November 2024 (EST)

==The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for==

Over the last few years, the Thirteen have played a major role in multiple ''Transformers'' stories. However, this prominence—combined with Hasbro's increasingly loose approach their in-universe lore—has also led to increasingly divergent portrayals of the group and its individual members.

Around 2015, we took the step of consolidating all the different incarnations of the Thirteen on one page for each, with the rationale that the characters were former [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], and mostly shared similar backstories and personalities between incarnations. However, even at the time, this was not a completely ideal comporomise. Most notably, the various [[Alpha Trion (disambiguation)|Alpha Trion]]s were not consolidated into one, partly due to length and partly because the existence of his [[Alpha Trion (SG)|murderously insane evil counterpart]] represented a massive contradiction to the entire notion.

However, over the years, multiple authors have drastically reinterpreted the Thirteen and their story. The role of "Thirteenth Prime" has been filled by multiple contradictory characters—[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]—and individual depictions of the Primes themselves have grown increasingly divergent. "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion is no longer the outlier, but rather an increasing trend: for instance, ''Transformers One'' features a completely heroic Megatronus who never becomes The Fallen, a Liege Maximo that looks nothing like Loki, and an incarnation of Nexus Prime that does not seem to be a combiner. With these data points in mind—and the potential for even further divergence in the coming years—I and several other editors feel that it may be time to reorganize our Thirteen coverage, splitting them out into individual [[continuity family]]-based incarnations the way we would for stock characters like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]], etc.

However, if we do adopt this approach, some further problems would need to be solved.

* '''How do we handle toys?''' With a few exceptions like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Fallen, the toys of the Thirteen are clearly meant to be somewhat continuity-agnostic. ''Age of the Primes'' Solus Prime is about as faithful to her depiction in ''The Covenant of Primus'' as it is to ''One'' or any of the IDW comics in which she appears. Even if we count them as "repurposes" across multiple pages, the format of the wiki means they'd have to be based ''somewhere''...

* '''FunPub stuff''': The Vector Prime of "Ask Vector Prime" is clearly meant to be a version of the same Vector Prime who appeared in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, but at the same time makes reference to off-camera events, such as a time when he and the Thirteen lived in Ancient Greece—would we make a separate "FunPub" page for the Thirteen, or try and work these events onto Unicron Trilogy pages when necessary? Other similar problems exist: "[[Coalescence]]" is a story that features a movie universe Fallen jumping into the world of ''Shattered Glass'', and AVP established that "The Evil One" of GoBots fame, is another alternate-universe incarnation of The Fallen/Megatronus.

Feedback on this proposal is appreciated! [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:50, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:From my point of view, I think as it stands right now my thoughts on the Thirteenth Prime stuff is that I absolutely understand the concerns, but for me personally it kind of falls into the same view as like, IDW Primus being Rung, which I think our current model handles fairly well. For the other Primes, I'm tempted to say that like...as it stands, there's about as much divergence there as like, Unicron as he's depicted in The Last Knight (not really shown to be aggressive beyond being called Cybertron's enemy), and as it stands right now, I don't think that's enough to say there should be a full-on split, but I do think it's worth thinking about future-proofing. And I suppose my main concern right now about pushing ahead too soon is in the event there's some fiction accompanying the Age of the Primes stuff; certainly, the fact that we're getting a toy of the Fallen with the Megatronus name but with the original Dreamwave design does make me hesitant that there might be some further consolidation of disparate elements; and I remember that last time we did this in the early 2010s was that we figured the idea of the Aligned Primes not having any connections to the others was going to be the standard going forward, which turned out not to be the case, and I figure it might be worth considering if something like that happens again. But! I am open to ideas of how to implement this if we do go for it; I think the suite options we have for Primus and Unicron work perfectly fine if we go for something like that. Just figure it's worth considering the stuff I've brought up here first. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Right now, I'm leaning toward the camp of not splitting them out for all the reasons you've given. I look at our current situation and, while not perfect, I feel that things can be tidied up simply with some "Conceptual history" sections for the pages that need them. The aforementioned Vector Prime is a particular case not just for everything stated about him above, but because [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|his very first Fub Pub appearance]] written by [[Forest Lee]] leans so heavily far into the multiversal aspect of the character that it doesn't treat him like he is a native to the Cybertron cartoon universe but rather to the whole multiverse itself. Similarly, Nexus Prime was also continuity-agnostic by his very nature from the ground up. The safest solution for splitting him out would be to classify his Fun Pub incarnation under "(Timelines)" (the previous "(Classics)" tag we had him under was bleh), but that's typically a last-resort tag we have tried to avoid in the past.
::Regarding The Fallen, while he does tend to be evil in a majority of his depictions, and has had a few outlier cases where he either didn't go bad at all (TF One) or was the victim of other's manipulations (Covenant), it's implied that the majority of those evil versions weren't always evil from the start, and only went bad later. The TF One version of Megatronus never turned to the dark side, but one could argue that he was murdered before he ever would have gotten the chance to. ;-)
::Regarding the Thirteenth Prime and various conflicting the depictions, we solved that issue by simply creating the "[[Thirteenth Prime]]" article to explain everything there.
::You mention the situation with Alpha Trion, and I get it. The biggest reasons for simply not merging all of his pages together were that A) he was never originally meant to be one of the Thirteen since the original Dreamwave-based lore for the Thirteen had them all die before A3 was even born, and B) his Shattered Glass self. I used to be a proponent for keeping all of his versions separate because of A, but in the time since then we've had more and more depictions of him as a 13er who were all still pretty much the same as his traditional pre-Aligned depictions. If we were to merge all of his versions together, a "Conceptual history" section for him could explain the whole "Sometimes he's a 13er, sometimes he's not" situation.
::BUT, there still remains his SG version, which I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on the same page as his other versions. Reaching back to the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3F original discussion] about how to handle the SG characters, I find myself still agreeing with those like Steve-o who pointed out how awkward "'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe." reads as a page. But, there is one thing we have nowadays that we did not have back when that original discussion was held and makes me wonder how differently the conversation might have gone if they had existed back then: Subpages. Looking at our [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] articles, I find it to be a very fair and workable compromise that their respective SG versions are placed not on their respective main pages but as subpages for each. Doing the same for SG Alpha Trion were we to merge all of the non-SG A3's together could be a valid solution too, in my eyes. Unlike others, I don't see subpages as an annoying evil that much be dealt with and eliminated, but as a handy tool to work around tricky situations like this.
::Had they even existed back then, it's very possible that ALL SG characters may have ended up on subpages for their positive polarity counterparts instead of separate pages entirely. And since then, SG has grown to expand not just beyond the original Fun Pub SG G1 continuity but to other non-G1 SG continuities, like for the Movies, Animated, and Cybertron, forcing us to create such unsightly tags as "(SG Movie)", "(SG Animated)", and "(SG Cybertron)", when subpages could have prevented that with "(Movie)/Shattered Glass" or "(Animated)/Shattered Glass" and so on.
::But, I'm getting off topic. Backing up to the Thirteen, I'm for keeping the Thirteen together. In addition to what all I've said above, the Age of the Primes toys seem to be treating them as the standard or definitive versions of the Thirteen that apply for every version/universe/continuity, pulling from all across the board rather than sticking to a single depicted version of them. Prima has his Aligned body but the Sunbow Powerful Robot's head. The Fallen is just the Dreamwave design but with Aligned Megatronus's weapons from the books and RID 2015 cartoon. Micronus is likely to be based on his RID 2015 design which was itself based on the Aligned design. The statue group artwork makes Amalgamous looks more like his TF One design than his Aligned design. Vector Prime is just straight-up Cybertron Vector Prime. And Star Convoy was never one of the Thirteen in any version before now. Yet, all these disparately-sourced designs are being treated as if they all belong to the same group no matter what continuity they come from. So keeping them together as they are would just make it easier for us to not have to split hairs over which versions of which 13ers these are supposed to be when the answer would simply be "all of the above" (and we wouldn't have to put multiple entries of the same toy on, like, six or seven different characters' pages that would have to maintained equally across all of those pages). This model makes this particular version of the group feel inherently multiversal, with each member either originating from a different universe as each other, or being a multiversal hybrids comprised of different aspects of different versions of them from across the dimensions, as if Hasbro is trying to say that the AOTP versions represent *every* version of the Thirteen (minus Star Optimus, of course, since we know he's not a member in every version of this group). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::As somebody who's pushed for this split for a long time, I'm obviously all for it. I feel we can easily determine where the toys go based on their main inspirations (Fallen is G1 Dreamwave, Micronus is Aligned RID, etc) are or just make the links go to the G1 pages (since G1 is effectively the wastebasket taxon of this franchise anyway). For the FunPub stuff, we can either do it Sideways style or just do it like we do for Kre-O and ancillary stuff: place them based on the characterization/design used by the work. Multiversal Vector Prime is pretty much just Cybertron Vector Prime (and the TransTech incarnation from the last portion of AVP can be split out).
:::I am pretty much opposed to "subpages" because that is just duplicating the parentheses system we already have just for the sake of pedantry. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::Fully agree with both Escargon and Sabrblade, and their reasoning. I am biased against splits pretty much as a matter of cause, but the Thirteen ''in particular'' have for most of their history (including now, in the continuity-agnostic ''Age of the Primes!)'' been defined by their multiversal nature. I just don't think a split would be helpful. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::So we need to wait five years of more non-multiversal stories to have this discussion again? That doesn't make sense. The COP version of the Thirteen weren't characterized as singularities in the first place, regardless; only FunPub cared about that aspect (and not even with the usual lineup we have now) and they tossed it because they realized it was an unworkable concept in this franchise and it's unlikely to ever get resurrected. It's been nearly a decade since the Shroud (the concept only existed from 2009-2015). You bring up AOTP but toylines clearly don't and never thought about those characters in terms of our organizational schema. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I think we can probably leave the most of the old content together, since it might be a mess to split them apart and much of that content is based on the Covenant mythos anyway. I feel new iterations of the Thirteen (post-POTP?) should get their own pages, like ''Earthspark'' Quintus and the ''One'' Primes (particularly Megatronus since he's quite different). Though I suppose that begs the question of what to use in the parentheses for their current pages... —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::How much of it is actually sticking to the Covenant? IDW1 had them be regular guys and some pre-Covenant stuff (notably Megatronus/Fallen) is more prominent for the character and not really compatible. Other Aligned stuff has also influenced other "continuity families", but we're not merging those articles, so I don't really see why this is different regarding the Thirteen. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I’m against splitting pages, mostly because The Thirteen haven’t had enough drastic and unique depictions of them to stop “breaking the rules” for them and give them split pages.
::> The Thirteen haven’t followed the traditional convention of “every character gets a new page for that universe’s depiction”, mostly because of the whole multiversal singularity issue. Now while that concept isn’t used in fiction anymore, ''Age of the Primes'' seems to lean towards having a standard, continuity-agnostic depiction of the Thirteen from which future teams can use as the foundation of their depictions.
::> Escargon and Sabrblade make some good points regarding subpages, particularly with the example of the standard '''“Primus = God”''' and '''Rung (G1)''' incarnations. Rung is a distinct and unique take on the Primus character whose backstory is incompatible with virtually every other Primus incarnation, so placing him on the same page as the Primus of the Marvel Comics, or Cybertron, or the Aligned continuity, wouldn’t seem right.
::> ''The Covenant of Primus'' has been the foundation of every depiction of the Thirteen since it was released. Certain things might be modified, such as the 2005 IDW’s take on them, but even those Primes still follow certain story beats: Megatronus kills Solus, Liege Maximo is a manipulator, Prima’s role as the leader and his conflict with Megatronus, etc. ''One'' offers a depiction of the Thirteen who don’t enter a War of the Primes situation, but because we don’t really get any more information about them besides how they died, I wouldn’t say that they’re distinct enough or important enough to warrant their own pages.
::> Then there’s the fact that a lot of the Primes either have had very small roles or haven’t had any real importance to the franchise in several years: '''Micronus'''’s last big role was a few episodes in ''Robots in Disguise'' and a clever tie-in to the Microspace of the 2005 IDW universe. '''Onyx'''’s only big role was in the ''Covenant'', mostly thanks to '''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|this guy]]''' taking his place in another universe. Onyx has a few mentions in ''Cyberverse'', but I don’t think that alone should be the reason for splitting his page up. '''Nexus Prime''' and '''Vector Prime''' haven’t really done anything notable since the Shroud. '''Solus Prime''' has seen some prominence thanks to IDW's Caminus and ''Power of the Primes'', but those depictions again don’t stray too far from the ''Covenant''. '''Amalgamous Prime''' has had virtually no exploration as a character. The most we’ve gotten for him is a much easier-to-look-at design in ''One''.
::> Character-wise, story-wise… they’re all still heavily based on the ''Covenant''. Even '''Quintus Prime'''’s ''Earthspark'' depiction (with his more human-looking face) is based on his “Johnny Appleseed, made the Quintessons” lore established from the ''Covenant''. Now if we had a full group of the Thirteen from a Shattered Glass universe or had some “What-If?” incarnations of the characters that made them very different… splitting pages would make more sense to me.
::> A lot of the Thirteen have also maintained a consistent visual look to them since their introduction: all the Primes introduced in the Covenant have kept their look (Alchemist’s Lenses, Onyx’s face, Solus’ hair and color scheme), and every version of Megatronus seems to have a Decepticon insignia face, flames, and/or both. While ''One'' may have changed some color schemes (Liege Maximo missing his green), I don’t think just having a different color scheme and nothing else different warrants a new page.
::> I like the idea of conceptual history sections for now, and as I said on ''The Fallen''’s talk page, I think the beginning to his page needs a general rewrite from its “frozen in 2009” version. But until drastic new interpretations of those characters are created, if a member of the Thirteen has a single page… we should keep it as a single page --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Splitting them would simply be a bigger headache. They're rather like Primus and Unicron where they're "bigger picture" characters (only this time around designed ''very specifically'' to '''''be''''' as such) and it's best to treat them as such, and really, there's not enough material to BOTHER splitting for most of them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Since it's related to this subject, it should probably also be mentioned here that there have recently been two discussions happening on the talk page for [[The Fallen]]. One about changing that article's mainpic and the other about moving the page's name to Megatronus. As of now, nothing has come out of either discussion, but I feel the results of this a bigger discussion may have an effect on either of those two smaller ones. Speaking as one who is in favor of not splitting out the Thirteen, my thoughts on these two smaller topics are that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses still become The Fallen, but replace the mainpic with The Fallen's Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with a rewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm going to second this. I've mulled it over a little bit and while there is an argument to be made for splitting them out, I feel that 12 of the 13 primes really don't warrant it. They just haven't had as much an impact on the story and while it could be future proofing to split them, until we get prominent appearances from them I don't think it's a viable option right now. Megatronus is clearly the exception to this rule. I don't know if there's a clean solution to dealing with him at the moment. Part of me thinks maybe we should suite out the Movie and RiD versions since those are his too big appearences to date. At the bare minimum though I think we should use either his Dreamwave or Age of Primes art as the mainpic. It's his first body and I think it's influenced more designs than his RoTF design has. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 22:57, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::Erm, no. Neither his Movie or RiD sections (certainly not the latter) are big enough to warrant subpages for either. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:57, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm also of the opinion that a split would be a massive hassle for very little gain, but I do feel we should move The Fallen to Megatronus. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:54, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::To me, renaming the page to Megatronus feels like renaming an Optimus Prime page to Orion Pax. The name was created to tell us what he was called ''before'' he became The Fallen, like how Orion Pax was what Optimus was called before he became Optimus Prime. TF One Megatronus never became The Fallen but he's an anomaly, not a new standard. As of now, the only impact TF One Megatronus has had on the brand is the official reveal video for Age of the Primes describing the very Dreamwave/Aligned-based AOTP version as "the most powerful Prime," while also putting a grim, pronounced emphasis on "The Fallen" when referring to him as "Megatronus... The Fallen". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:16, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::: '''Yes''' to changing The Fallen's mainpic back to the DW-style character design, huge-ass '''No''' to changing the page name; the Optimus/Orion comparison is spot-on. (And as to below... yes. The Thirteen are absolutely "set dressing that walks like a man" and best to approach them as such.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:11, 8 December 2024 (EST)

:After meditating upon this a while I think I've come to agree with the broad majority above that splitting each member of the Thirteen would hurt more than it would help. The way I see it what we should be striving for here is the approach that involves the least "hallucinating data" within our organizational system, and splitting will require making a lot of different calls on what "counts" to formulate micro-characterizations for dozens of serial continuity transplants, none of which do much individually, while obfuscating the larger context they are gesturing towards. Fundamentally what we may be running up against here is that the closest most of these guys have to a true "home continuity" as we typically think of it is... the brand bible. They are set dressing that walks like a man.

:To go one step further, if we want to talk future-proofing I would advocate formalizing the approach of treating them as a squad of mini-Unicrons/Primuses such that:

::1) My suggestion for the issues currently plaguing the Fallen (and to a lesser degree Trion) would be to make "Conceptual History" sections more or less standard issue across the board for the Thirteen, laying out swerves in characterization and appearance as they happened rather than trying to pry them apart ''or'' smoosh them together.

::2) I think it's worth revisiting merging Alpha Trion for consistency. In the decade+ since Prime cludged him into the lineup, Alpha Trion has consistently appeared as a member of the Thirteen, an insubstantial cameo, or both in pretty much every continuity he's appeared, and looking backwards I cannot help but notice that the fact that there's next to no meaningful daylight between his depictions has been the running gag of his [[Alpha Trion (disambiguation)|disambiguation page]] since day one. If Shattered Glass remains a sticking point the Unicron/Primus style suite split approach is a reasonable compromise.

:I wouldn't say I'm married to any of this and counter-counter-proposals are welcome, but that's my two cents. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:I think just put a line at the end of the fallens intro article that says "while mostly a bad guy, there exists at least one universe (link to TF one section) where he's managed to defy all logic and be...good for once).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (EST)

I'm for splitting the Thirteen, for the same reasons Saix gave. If that doesn't work, I think the versions of Alpha Trion should be merged. It's the inconsistency that drives me batty. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 22:12, 8 December 2024 (EST)

===Checkpoint? (01/18/2025)===
This topic seems to have gotten as much interaction as it's going to get, so to take stock before it falls off the agenda completely:

:*'''Votes for splitting the Thirteen across the board:''' 4 (Locoman, Saix, BlueJayWarrior, Boingus)
:*'''Votes against:''' 8 (Escargon, Sabrblade, Wadapan, Daytonjhammon, M Sipher, Exim93, Dark T Zeratul, AzimuthAcolyte)

That seems like a pretty resounding 2:1 "no," but the discussion also generated some possible compromises/suggestions for future-proofing:

:*'''Votes for more widespread use of "Conceptual History" sections:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Daytonjhammon, AzimuthAcolyte)
:*'''Votes to merge Alpha Trion (with potential SG suite) for consistency:''' 3 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus)

Lastly it generated some cross-bleed from the debates on [[Talk:The Fallen|The Fallen's talk page]] about some updates now that we're 16 years out from his [[live-action film series]] star turn:

1) Moving the page to "Megatronus":
:*'''For:''' 1 (Dark T Zeratul)
:*'''Against:''' 2 (Sabrblade, M Sipher)

2) Swapping back to a Dreamwave-style mainpic:
:*'''For:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Ezim93, M Sipher)

If anyone wants to try to resuscitate the mega-split speak now. If not, thoughts on the compromise proposals?

The Fallen discussion should probably return to his own page. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:My stances remain unchanged on all of the above. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:55, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'd be fine with splitting, but if we don't, we ''absolutely'' need to merge the Alpha Trions. There's no good justification for the others being together and him being split.
::As for the Fallen... I feel the need to point out that it's not ''just'' One Megatronus that didn't use the name. EVERY toyline and piece of media in the last decade — RID15, the Prime Wars cartoons, the POTP toy, the offhand mentions in Cyberverse — have used "Megatronus", completely dropping the idea that he stopped being Megatronus and became the Fallen. It's evidently how Hasbro thinks of the character; the Studio Series toy provides plenty of evidence that they ''could'' have just called the AOTP toy "The Fallen" if they'd wanted to. -[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:51, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I am also pro-merging Alpha Trions with a SG subpage along the lines of what we do for Primus and Unicron. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:11, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I disagree that we need to put SG Trion on a separate page. Just have his Shattered Glass section open with "In the mirror universe of Shattered Glass, Alpha Trion was..." --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:58, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I'm pro merging Alpha Trion as well and adding conceptual history. Fallen/Megatronus discussion I'm good with taking back to his page. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 16:20, 18 January 2025 (EST)

:Here's my 5 cents. We are under no obligation to be consistent with how we treat the members of the Thirteen. If it makes sense for the characters, we can have Alpha Trions on separate pages because he has a long rich history of appearances in wide and varied media, including media in which he is not a member of the Thirteen, and we can also have Amalgamous Prime on one page because he doesn't. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:48, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm in agreement with this. "Consistency" is nice until it isn't, and merging Alpha's pages... isn't. I feel like that's just gonna result in a clusterfuck. "Conceptual history" is fine to add, but frankly I feel like only like... maybe only a third of the 13 would even ''need'' it. There's really not a lot to most of these. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:07, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I'm curious what would be the negative result of merging Alpha Trion's pages. The thing is that they ''are'' basically all identical barring the Shattered Glass version, and even that one is functionally the same guy, just evil. RID01, Energon, Animated and ROTF Alpha Trion are all footnotes, which just leaves us with G1 Trion (sometimes of the Thirteen), Aligned Trion (of the Thirteen), Cyberverse Trion (of the Thirteen) and One Trion (of the Thirteen). Is there some complicating factor that I'm missing...? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:38, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::: Honestly, I think this just sold me on the idea of merging all the Alpha Trion pages, including the Shattered Glass version, into one page. A Conceptual History section could explain his development from sage to member of the Thirteen, with a paragraph about his Shattered Glass version. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 00:02, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::::As I stated above, I used to be firmly against the idea of the Alpha Trions being merged, because of the facts that he wasn't originally supposed to be one of the Thirteen (a ship that has long since sailed), he was never a singularity like the other 13ers were (which no longer matters at all now since that concept was done away with), and he has a Shattered Glass version (but so too do Primus and Unicron, now, and their pages have set a good workable precedent for how to deal with SG versions of "set dressing characters" like them and the Thirteen). But now, as time goes on, the more it begins to feel like we're just keeping the Alpha Trions separate for more pedantic reasons than are necessary, especially since the AOTP toyline looks to be drawing influence from all continuities for its specific roster of the Thirteen, as if to say that the AOTP toys of the Thirteen represent *all* versions of the Thirteen (meaning AOTP Alpha Trion will represent *all* Alpha Trions).
:::::Sipher mentioned that conceptual history sections would only benefit a small number of the Thirteen, and, well, yes, that is a true statement. But the idea wouldn't be to give ''all'' of the Thirteen conceptual history sections, just the few that would need it. And a merged. But there being only a few that would need it no less diminishes the need of those few.
:::::However, I definitely draw the line at putting SG characters on the same webpages as their non-SG counterparts, as I go back to [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3Fthe original discussion about that very subject] and all the reasons given there (particularly from Steve-o, whom I already quoted above) for why SG characters should '''not''' share a webpage with their non-SG counterparts. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:47, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::::I feel like "they're all basically the same" is a charge that can be leveled at a lot of characters who are present in multiple continuity families. I'm all in favour of keeping non-entities to one page each, but Alpha Trion meets the threshold for actually having enough detail to have separate articles. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:32, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:My votes: No to splitting the 13 articles, yes for conceptual history, no to merging Trion (maybe expanding his disambig a la Sideways'?), no to moving the Fallen, maybe to changing his mainpic (compare to UT or Aligned characteers with major body changes - UT generally sticks with the Armada bodies, but Aligned favours Prime bodies over WFC). [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:I also think that it wouldn´t be appropriate to separate the pages of the thirteen and that the articles about Alpha Trion should be merged, after he become one of the 13 he has been mostly the same across all media. --[[User:MikeOsix|MikeOsix]] ([[User_talk:MikeOsix|talk]]) 20:57, 18 January 2024 (EST)
My vote is that we should keep Prime pages *mostly* non-split- I do, however, think there is merit to a "Conceptual History" part, going over different variations of the characters over the Years. I originally wanted Alpha's pages to be kept apart- but after some talking, I figure it's best for him to also enjoy a conceptual history rather than a disambiguation page. (I still love Disambiguation pages though.)
On The Fallen's page getting a Dreamwave-style picture: I give it a hard thumbs up. That seems to be the design Hasbro is sticking with compared to the skeleton-furnace guy from the movies. -- [[User:OptiMay Primal|OptiMay Primal]] ([[User talk: BattleBlade|talk]]) 21:54, 18 January 2024 (PST)
:I cannot see any benefit to smushing all of the Alpha Trion articles together. Every time this happens, we get a lengthy, unfocused mess of a page that wards off attempts at maintenance because it's so large. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:16, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm personally against merging all the Trions, but I could be convinced if someone sandboxes a merged page first as a proof of concept. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:59, 24 January 2025 (EST)
At Cyberlink's suggestion, I've slapped together a rough prototype of a merged Alpha Trion suite broadly mirroring the Fallen's setup that can be seen–
:*'''[[User:AzimuthAcolyte/Sandbox/Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''
Intro etc not final, of course. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:27, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:I like this. It's no longer or less focused than [[Unicron]], for example. I'm still kind of dubious about the need to exclude Shattered Glass versions from these cross-continuity characters, but at least SG Trion is more substantial than SG Unicron. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:31, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:Posting to confirm I'm in favor of this. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 12:49, 25 January 2025 (EST)

== Maybe we should consider our stance on leaks... ==

I know they suck, but considering how they happen and most the fandom tends to lap it up (at least on TFW and seibertron),us just kind of vehemently refusing to admit they happen feels a bit wrong now. Maybe we should retroactively start acknowledging when the figures got leaked when they're officially confirmed, instead of just pretending they don't exist, for completionists sake. --[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:41, 7 December 2024 (EST)

:Sometimes Hasbro affiliate wiki. No. --[[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 20:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Absogoddamnlutely not. This site does not exist to give leakers clout. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:46, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: That's a legal area best not crossed, so it's a bad idea. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 23:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:: Understood.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:53, 7 December 2024 (EST)

== International Sightings ==

So, as of late, mentions of "toy appeared in (non-US country) without prior announcement" type lines have been getting purged from the wiki. This makes me wonder: am I allowed to even mention them anymore when a new toy appears somewhere? I'm not really sure why these relatively harmless information lines are getting removed, nor am I really a fan of it, but if I can't mention them anymore I will happily oblige.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:04, 7 January 2025 (EST)
:They're being removed because "toy first showed up at a random store in Asia" is not useful information. That's how toy retail has worked for decades. Hasbro deigning to announce some product doesn't make it the standard. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:57, 7 January 2025 (EST)
::Oh, ok, I'll keep that in mind from now on.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:11, 7 January 2025 (EST)

==First revealed at (some regular online update)==
On a similar note to the international sightings, what do people think of "toy was first revealed in Hasbro Instagram post / Fans First Friday / Pulse livestream of whatever date," etc.? We note this constantly, because it's another fact to include about a just-announced toy nobody owns yet. A year later it looks unimportant. Is this something we like and value, or more of a space-filing habit? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:34, 8 January 2025 (EST)
:I think it's a lot of blather, but at least it's documenting Hasbro marketing as opposed to random retail appearances. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:25, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: I'm lukewarm at best on 'em. But often these announcements are followed up almost immediately by pre-orders opening up through official channels, and that feels a bit more... noteworthy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 12:31, 8 January 2025 (EST)

Talk:The Fallen

2025-01-24T19:24:13Z

Ezim93: /* Change the mainpic? */

[[File:RID-megatronussparkmerger.jpg|thumb|right|250px|unused image]]

That bit about how the Fallen was created by Pat Lee? In the latest edition of Wayward's [http://www.insecticons.com/insecticomics.html Insecticomics] it is said that it was actually Furman who created the character, that Lee just did the design. When I asked her about it, she posted this [http://p206.ezboard.com/fthepaddedcell71381frm19.showMessage?topicID=2995.topic&index=107 transcript] which backs that up. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

OK so I just left line in the trivia, cos I thought it was funny.
*So he's the henchman of a evil being, has mystical supernatural powers, is a badass and is on fire? Someone might want to file a law suit.

Can it stay or should I take it back down?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:33, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

..I don't even get that. [[User:AlwaysWrong|AlwaysWrong]] 22:44, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:It was removed, it contained a link to the wikipedia article for Ghost Rider[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:33, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

==Head==
Anyone notice that his head is very Soundwave-y? When i first saw him, i clearly recognized his head as soundwave's with added badassery.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 05:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

==Disambig time?==
http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=59522272-D56F-E112-4C783175A8BBBAD6

Ah-heh.

(SOMEBODY IN THAT MOVIE DAMN WELL BETTER BE ON FIRE.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

==Fallen, Bludgeon and Megs==

I don't know about Bludgeon, but there is a connection between the Fallen and Megs: IDW Megatron's Cybertronian body is based off of the Fallen, right down to the design of the Fusion Cannon. [[User:GWolfv2]] 21.07 June 11

== Defiance issue 4 Fallen's backstory ==

Defiance issue 4 is out. [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/revenge-of-the-fallen-prequel-comic-defiance-4-provides-potential-movie-spoilers-167267/ TFW2005.com has posted all the Fallen-relevant spoilers from issue 4, but beware, if you're avoiding Defiance, this spoils the Fallen's crazy scheme in the movie]. The backstory for the Fallen seems fairly different to the Fallen we know. So are they still the same guy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:56, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Still appears to be a member of the Thirteen, still appears to betray them, still apparently serves a force that devours planets/stars.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:12, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::But from what I understand of the "multiversal singularity" characters thing, there's just one Fallen, so the guy created by Primus who eventually serves Unicron is also a guy created by a Cube who serves nobody but himself and is building solar towers to replenish the Cube. Or is the currently-untold story of the 13 vague enough that this still works? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:20, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::It does seem pretty distinct. One's a "created by mighty power source, got selfish, betrayed his brothers, now want to kick off where things went wrong" other "created as a multiversal control for entrophy and warrior against Unicron. Switched sides. Most dangerous servant of the ultimate evil ever". [[User:Eire]] 21.21 Apr 8 2009 (UTC)
:I don't trust a 3rd party summary written by someone who may not fully understand the story to accurately represent what's actually in the story. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:44, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::In any case, I suspect we are probably going to need to wait to see what the movie itself has to say before making a decision on this. It may expand on what is presented in the comic, it may contradict it in some way, it could make it easier to tie this version in with the previous mythos or may firmly separate it, etc. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:54, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't think we would have to wait until the movie if the comic is fairly clear on the matter. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::::I think we do, because as I said, we have no way of knowing in advance how well the actual movie will line up with the comic. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:05, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:The Fallen is one thing, but what about definite "multiversal singularity" Primus? Does the AllSpark=Primus in the movieverse? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::The AllSpark has been designated a [[sacred implement]] in Japanese fiction.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 18:07, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::It is not uncommon for Transformers to have no knowledge of Primus or Unicron. For every world where they have a full-blown religion to fill them in, you have one where the Transformers have neither heard of either-- remember in [[The Transformers: The Movie]] Hot Rod and Kup had never even heard Unicron's name before. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
Did they not mention that the Fallen calls himself and his other pals "trans-dimensional beings"? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:48, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Not the mention [http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm this interview] affirming he's the original and was "banished to another dimension." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
::I think what they mean by that is that he's stuck in that stupid pylon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:15, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

==The Fallen gets Power Plans!==
[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/05/transformers-movie-universe-preview.html] Preview page from the upcoming DK Ultimate Movie Guide, which is totally written by Furman. It establishes a few important things. The Fallen is an "omniversal tyrant." He betrayed his fellow Primes to serve the source of his new "chaotic" powers "from the very birth of the universe," forces which seek to replace morality with a "void." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:If Nimoy is cast as him, it will be the second time in his career that he'll be playing some sort of servant of Unicron. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

== Subject Seperation ==

Will you make a separate page the live action version of the Fallen? --Some Random User guy {{unsigned|69.230.53.229|00:50, May 20, 2009 EDT}}
:As we far as we know, the Fallen is a multi-dimensional being that can... you get the picture. If this Fallen is established as a seperate being, then maybe.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 01:01, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::And as seen in Walky's post above this, the DK guide establishes the Fallen as an "Omniversal tyrant". That more or less means the Fallen is one of those characters who can travel between dimensions, and there's only one of him. Thus, we consider ROTF Fallen to be the same guy as Dreamwave comics Fallen, unless the movie says otherwise (and it obviously won't). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::Despite the brain-bending problems this creates with the other 12, yes. Are they all birthed by the AllSpark then? That's not what The Ultimate Guide says... (We'll figure it out. Expect the backpedaling, qualifications and clarifications to begin trickling in this fall.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:15, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::You know, the movie universe could have two individuals named the Fallen. I mean, it's not a real name, but rather a sort of title, right? Why couldn't the omniversal tyrant and some douchebag that came from the AllSpark live in the same universe? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:26, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::'''Two''' dimension-hopping flaming ancient Primes who discarded their name in favor of being called "The Fallen" after betraying their 12 fellow Primes, the oldest of Transformers?
:::We already have the Covenant and the Thirteen. Don't make this ''more'' complicated. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I personally think they should be seperated. I mean, he's been trapped in that relic, or whatever it exactly is, for a really long time. How could he of shown up in the IDW series? And, the other 12 sacrificed themselves, so, how could they exist either? -[[User:VakamaMetruNui|VakamaMetruNui]] 09:29, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::::(The Dreamwave series, not the IDW series.) That's really easy to explain. The DW Fallen was also trapped in a dimension, same as the Movie one. He was able to break free of it due to a space bridge accident, and was apparently banished back to it by Primus. (He would have returned if DW hadn't gone bankrupt, so he wasn't dead.) Who knows how time and space work in there. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:11, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Unicron keeps showing up in new places yet always gets defeated in more or less the same way; why should his gothy wanna-be have it any better? Since his "real" origin was as a creation of Primus, perhaps the entire Movie AllSpark / Movie Original 13 was something the Fallen himself put together later--he tried his own hand at being a god, while actually not claiming credit for it but just inserting himself among the lineup, like Keyser Soze. Or maybe he used his woowoo omniversal magic to sense that some other god was about to create the AllSpark, and then he twisted the whole process to his own ends. Who knows. And if all that sounds like a deus-ex-machina, remember that that is LITERALLY what he is. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:24, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|right|thumb|100px|What dimension did this happen in? The movie-verse? Not necessarily.]]
::::::I think splitting the page of a known dimension-hopper goes against common sense. Without a really good reason, of course. I don't think there is a good reason yet. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:47, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::At BotCon 2009, Hasbro copy-writer Forest Lee stated once again (at the Collectors' Club panel) that the Original 13 are all multiversal singularities. Apparently the upcoming movie hasn't changed his mind! So let's hold on to our current setup for the time being. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:11, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::He didn't state this before, IIRC he stated that they were ''probably'' Multiversal singularities before.
::::::::Do you or anyone (Steve) have an exact working on his statement this weekend? It's worth citing it on the 13 page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:52, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::I don't, no. And Steve-o wasn't there this weekend, so we are without his meticulous information-gathering. He did specifically say that the original 13 were multiversal singularities, though. It was in response to someone asking if Shattered Glass The Fallen would be icy. Forest said that as one of the 13, The Fallen doesn't have any multiverse counterparts. There's just one of him, the same as Vector Prime and the others. (Trent noted that he liked to believe that if the Fallen were to ever wander into the Shattered universe, his flames would turn to ice, much to his confusion.)--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:53, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
Is there evidence that supports ROTF Fallen is the same as the character in The War Within?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:20, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
:Evidence in the form of fictional stories? No. Apparently not. It is all shadow evidence as far as I can tell. Word of mouth at conventions and [[Hasbro Q&A/July 2009: Answers|a Hasbro Q&A]]. Should the wiki hang its hat on such shadow evidence? Or would the "multiversal singularity" thing be better put in the "notes" section until it shows up in fiction? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:53, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
::If this Wiki wants to wait on merging Alpha Trions I suggest your side doesn't split the G1, UT, ROTF and Prime versions of Prima, Megatronus, Liege or Vector. And it wouldn't call it shadow evidence considering Megatronus explicitly described his brothers as able to traverse dimensions, or Vector and Nexus being the sole versions of those characters flying about the timelines. "[[Reunification: Part 5|All Cybertrons are yours.]]" [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:15, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== Movie altmode ==

FYI: If we get Hasbro photography depicting a toy with an altmode (we have!) and the paragraph in question is describing that toy, then ''the presence of said altmode is officially confirmed''. I don't know under what logic you can say otherwise.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 20:10, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:Remember Scorponok's robot mode? I believe the debate is whether or not The Fallen's vehicle mode was something invented for the toyline. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 20:48, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
::Except the altmode description was removed from the toy section. The toy has an altmode. Plain as day. Thus the section describing that toy ought to mention said altmode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:07, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Ah, right then. Well... most of what I said can be salvaged, assuming this argument comes up outside the toy section. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 21:14, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

== Decepticon symbol ==

I see there is a Decepticon symbol on The Fallen's page for a long while, is this something related to his toy(s)? Thanks. (I can't reach my Titanium Fallen now, so... ) --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 11:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
: His ROTF toy packaging consistently labels him a Decepticon. He helped Megatron START the Decepticon faction in the live-action continuity. And the Decepticon faction symbol is based on his face. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:35, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:::So it is really due to the ROTF. Thanks. ;-D --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 12:55, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

::What they said.
::I notice the Beast-machines Dinobots symbol links to the Dinobots disambig page-- was it used tor the Wal-Mart Dinobots as well? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:56, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

==Mainpic==
When the Wikia site comes up on Google, it also has a secondary link, which is their version of this page. Our secondary link is [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|''Animated'']], which is unfortunately now a bit less relevant than theirs. (Notably, they've even rebranded their site to have a Movie look.) Happily, our [[The Fallen]] is much better than theirs because we've expanded the DW section, and they still haven't written ANYTHING about the prequel comics. Plus, y'know, there's [[:Image:WikiaAdInsert_TheFallen.jpg|the stuff that made us leave in the first place]]. But in the interests of sealing the relevancy deal, I suggest we change the mainpic to be The Fallen's ROTF body. That way even at a GLANCE a viewer can see which one is more up-to-date. What do you all think? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:23, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:I support this. We've got good promo renders of it. Let's do it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:29, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:Sounds good to me, I say go for it. Maybe change it back when the movie buzz fades down, but for now, yeah, totally. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:44, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Heh, so they merged the articles back. TX55 was an editor here. Doesn't he notice the borked layout of the images? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

===New main pic===
[[Image:ROTF The Fallen promotional 1.jpg|thumb|right|250px|You dare photograph me?! I am a a Prime!]]
Swap the current one for a promotional shot from [[Josh Nizzi]]'s website? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:58, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
:Naw, I prefer the one we have now. Flashier. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:12, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

==Grargh fiction==
Do we really need to separate out his various DK Ultimate Guide and Titanium information into their own little sections. Can't we throw those into the beginning of the Dreamwave continuity section and cite them appropriately? This page is now a real friggin' chore to read and understand. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:58, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, it sorta feels like it's... out of order. Cause, it is. Fictionally. I mean, I grok what Jackpot has done - he's put it in publication order, which I know is an approach that he's generall favoured in the past, but to me, it just doesn't "read" right. (Also, I am totally about to ruin the "he is on fire" joke. Watch me go!) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:05, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
::I feel a little weird about combining them like that, but I don't full-on object. I don't think there's ever been precedent for putting toy-bio info into a comic-series summary, but in this case there was clearly intent behind the bio to make it mesh, and there are no variant ''War Within'' "continuities." All I can do is note that it's unorthodox and move along.
::Oh, and Walky, thanks for restoring the continuity-family headers. My theory is that since our default organizational model is to separate our articles based on continuity family, whenever we break that "rule," we should call it out.
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:49, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

==Really not buying the 'multiversal singularity' thing here==
Recently, I saw the new movie and....... I don't see how it could possibly be the same character as in Dreamwave's comics.
Not only is his entire backstory different, but his motives also seem different and the film also makes mention that The Fallen was a member of 8 original leaders (if I remember correctly), as opposed to 13.
Not to mention his radically different appearance (the other 'multiversal singularities' at least all looked alike) and abilities.

Unless the writers find a way of explaining how this could be possible, I don't see how it makes any form of sense.
:The fact it's 8 and not 13 is the first sign that the writers ''intend'' to explain it. They're backpedaling away from making it "The 13" because it creates ''way'' to many problems.
:We all basically agree that it makes not sense now, but this ('''very''' last-minute) change strongly indicates that it ''will'' make sense, and that Hasbro's story-gurus has finally figured out how they intend to make it fit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:33, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::I seriously doubt that Hasbro's story-gurus had any imput whatsoever on the contents of the movie itself. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:35, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, I think that rather than being The 'Multiversal Singularity' Fallen, The (ROTF) Fallen is just a 'fallen' Prime who is subsequently and coincidentally called "The Fallen". He happens to have the same name, like Prowl, Prowl, Prowl, Prowl and Prowl.[[Special:Contributions/218.214.49.189|218.214.49.189]] 21:02, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::::That's nice, but Hasbro's packaging bio writer is saying that's not the case. Thus we have to go with what he says. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:09, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
So... Doesn't this mean that since he died in the movie, he has died in all universes forever, since he is a "multiversal singularity"?[[Special:Contributions/76.251.230.101|76.251.230.101]] 19:59, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:When a multiversal singularity "dies" in one universe, he'll reappear in another universe --[[Special:Contributions/72.64.107.124|72.64.107.124]] 20:02, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::I've seen that idea expressed on the Wiki before, but I've never seen a source for it. Basically... says who? In fact, most of what we "know" about multiversal singularities comes not from the fiction itself, but from creator comments. I don't agree with putting [[authorial intent]] on that high a pedestal, especially when its results are flat-out nonsensical. I think that at best, author-intent should get a Note, not define central aspects of how we describe characters. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:16, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Hear hear! Besides, saying that a character is a multiuniversal singularity only lasts until someone else says he's not. Then we get a weird state of 'he's mostly a multiuniversal singularity, except where he isn't' situation. I think this sort of notion warrants about as much consideration as a Madman DVD book saying that Cyclonus categorically was Skywarp - we note it, then we go on with the rest of our lives. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:37, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::There's at least some indication that Mowry and Furman are going to attempt to reconcile the multiversal singularity thing, or at least hang a lampshade on it and run with it, in [[Transformers: Tales of the Fallen|Tales of the Fallen]]. We may get our answer soon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:09, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::''saying that a character is a multiuniversal singularity only lasts until someone else says he's not''
:::::Bingo. No matter how much people might like Forrest's ideas, it's just as much "authorial intent" whenever anybody else at Hasbro or IDW or Bay's workshop says something that contradicts him. We know he's multiversal, or "omniversal," whatever, because one of the movie guidebooks says so. I try not to think too hard about the "13-whoops-7-Primes" clusterfuck. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:48, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think the idea of Multiversal Singularities dieing in one universe and appearing in another has 2 sources: 1) Unicron - He's a multiversal singularity and this is demonstrably how he works, and 2) Vector Prime - After his death in the UT he's seen again in the final credits battling Galvatron again. Granted it's supposition, but I think that's the basis for the idea.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 21:22, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Unicron's many deaths constitute one of the reasons why the multiversal-singularity idea is generally thought to be nonsensical. The idea that he "respawns" every time he's destroyed is a rationalization somebody here came up with; it's never been shown to ''happen'' in the fiction. And Vector Prime's case barely applies; he wasn't destroyed the way Unicron or The Fallen were; he just permanently phased outside of normal time because he overexerted his temporal powers. It was presumably in this non-time limbo that he battled Galvatron again, and where he will be forever. Ultimately, I think Rosicrucian's right: We should wait until "Tales of the Fallen" comes out before we make any hard-and-fast calls on the subject. But I've [[Talk:Unicron#"Respawning"?|long thought]] that we should be more rigorous about letting the fiction alone define "multiversal singularity" instead of the authors, and I'll be more than happy if future information radically changes what we think it means. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:43, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::The bio for TRU-excl. Universe Unicron says he travels through multiple dimensions and that whenever he dies he comes back to life. I don't think it says he has to be reobrn in a different dimension than the one he just died in, but honestly, once they've officialized and published the "multidimensionality and immortality" aspect, precisely where he is at ANY given moment in any life doesn't matter. But that's just Unicron--there's nothing as cut-and-dried in published form for the rest of them, I don't think. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:08, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Ah, that's interesting. Let's [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2856639219_b4fb44b44e.jpg?v=0 take a look]... Hm, it actually sounds more like Vector Prime's existence than the hoppity-hop-from-universe-to-universe model that's been the wiki party line. Unicron "floats through the non-space between dimensions, reaching out with his sensors to find the universe with the most energy. Those dimensions he finds suitable, he consumes." Also, "He has been defeated or destroyed countless times, yet he always returns [...] for [...] He is evil incarnate, and as long as there is evil, there is Unicron." It sounds like, whereas Vector Prime is stuck outside of time and can only send messages (or swords) into the timestream, Unicron can actually manifest himself in a very real and devastating way. But they share some essential transcendent nature, which to me is a bit more sensical than the more linear model. I read it to mean that basically he can keep coming back because he's always got one foot outside of normal space-time, and destroying a specific incarnation will never be enough. It's not a full "death." Plus he's got that strange relation to the concept of evil, which is backed up in the ''Armada'' cartoon when only Galvatron's death and the resulting end of the war could destroy him. As you say, I don't know how this would apply to The Fallen or others, but one thing at a time... - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:06, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It's not particularly relevant, but I just want to point out that Vector Prime ''did'' actually die, in the sense that his linear lifespan came to an end point. He continues to exist because ''prior'' to his death, he spent most of his existence outside of the timestream, and since time has no meaning there, he will ''always'' be there, watching and guiding. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:55, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

== Change of appearance ==

From TF; The Movie Universe
{{quote|The Fallen butchered and betrayed his brother Primes, disowning his given name in favor of one befitting his new, terrifying appearance.|<u>[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe]]</u> p86|"The Fallen"}}
Late intot he game, we have the idea that The Fallen may have changed his appearance. (And since his appearance is really no different than the other Primes... it begs the question what the hell this is talking about.)

Oh, and Walky was wondering abotu the curiously-regular panes of transparent plastic on The Fallen toy's shoulders... accordign to the guidebook, he has "Energon Distribution arcs" in his shoulders-- I think they're actually supposed to represent some sort of energy blade. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:44, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

== Unreliable narrator ==

So I saw the ROTF film. It really doesn't clash with the Multiversal Singularity thing too bad... it's Defiance that's the real problem. And I'm beginning to think that Definace just had a ''serious'' case of "unreliable narrator."

Let's assume (for a moment) that the Fallen ''was'' lying about parts of his backstory to Megatron. He certainly didn't mention Primus or Unicron (so we know he left stuff out) and we know he was snowing Megatron about making him a Prime (something you apparently have to be born to in the Movieverse.) He's ALREADY demonstrably lying, so lets throw out everything he said about his own origins, and assume he's actually the same dimension-hopping spanish-speaking nutjob we know and love-- what would the universe 'look' like?

Logically, The Fallen {{redact|''traveled'' to this universe and integrated himself with it-- somehow convincing the six Founding Primes of the universe that he was one of them. He then secretly endeavored to murder them all, destroy the Earth and seize ultimate power for himself using the sun harvester.}}

Of course, if this was '''actually''' what happened, and The Fallen is lying... you'd expect there to be some ''indicator['' of this in the IDW comics.

[[Image:Ros03 cuberitual.png|thumb|250px]]
Oh hey, look at that! It's the ancient illustration Starscream was trying to replicate in "Reign of Starscream"! The ''only'' piece of evidence from the era of the original Primes that ''doesn't'' come from our Unreliable Narrator. And what does it show?
{{redact|'''Six''' Primes surrounding the AllSpark cube as it is renewed by the Sun Harvester. '''Not''' seven.}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:55, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:As much as I really want to make this all work, I don't know if I want to go the Unreliable Narrator route. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:18, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::Neither do I... but if IDW chooses to quietly change the 13 primes to the 7 in their Movie Spotlight books... at ''that'' point the Fallen's retelling of history becomes much more actively wrong, and this bit from Reign of Starscream fits quite nicely.
::I figured it was worth highlighting as a possibility. It wouldn't be appropriate to present it as "fact" until IDW gets a crack at it. (It seems almost inevitable that there are Retcons Comings.) But i was pleased to discover that there's at least one ''fairly'' clean way here to make things more-or-less fit, and it ties into some pre-established continuity arond Starscream's plan with the [[Replica AllSpark]], which is a definite plus in terms of making the change less jarring. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:27, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Your way probably works better than my "the other 6 Primes were busy." But still, that's fanon until Forest Lee gets a crack at it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::...That leaves me a little worried that we're putting our hopes on IDW. Especially since they caused quite a few of the problems. And lets not even get into their record of continuity consistency in okaying [[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:34, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::But '''nothing''' the movies is 100% consistent with one another. Did you notice Leo mentioned the big fight from the 2007 movie took place in '''L.A.'''? And the IDW comics aren't in continuity with the ''first'' movie in a strict sense either-- Reign of starscream dedicated a page to re-doing the "gathering of the 'cons" from the dfirst movie ''just'' so they could assert "no, he's called BRAWL damnit." Or the helicopter being shot down over <strike>Afganistan</strike> America.
:::::Frankly, I think think the wiki would be best off is we weaned ourselves of this tendency to present the IDW comics as somehow "the primary continuity." They're definitely bound up tightly with the movies... but they ''aren't'' in perfect continuity with them-- and it's not just oddities, it's outright deliberate contradiction, like the Brawl thing. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:57, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Until I get an official reasoning to change continuity flow of various fiction, I'd rather leave the articles as they are. Brawl thing - who cares, really? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:36, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::By which you mean "structured differently than every other fiction section on the wiki." ;)
:::::::(I'm not really pushing for the restructure either. Just talking in general terms.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm set in my ways, dagnabbit. Yeah, the movie kind of started the movement of supporting fiction such as comic books and novels more or less directly being in continuity with the primary fiction, something we saw later in Animated. As opposed to the traditional TF method of having comics and cartoons and books all going in completely different directions. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:26, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

::::You've got it backwards. The Mowry-penned stuff has some of the best internal consistency of the entire continuity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 00:37, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Right, Mowry was foreshadowing the RotF plot in the second issue of Reign of Starscream, before ''anything'' had leaked. And he seems to have a pretty clear idea where almost ''every'' character "was" before and after the war, how they're related to one another, etc. He also did a ''lot'' of ground work to make the game drones fit right. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:57, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Voyager toy ==

The Voyager toy has slidable gauntlets, shinguards, and some kind of firey thing under the shinguards, but none of these are called out in the instructions, or seem to serve any point in either mode. Should this be mentioned in the article, and if not, does anyone know what the deal with them is?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:50, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== "saturn"? ==

Especially because the novel specifically says it's not Saturn, can we get rid of this? Unless it was revealed in an interview or on a toy bio or something, all the movie shows is that it's on the moon of a ringed planet - without specifically identifying it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:22, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:I think it has to be Saturn unless it is a plot hole. Megatron just flies there in about a day or so. It has to be in the solar system, I think. Megatron was never shown to have a personal space bridge like Jetfire. Can Megatron travel faster-than-light? Possibly, but the space bridge seems to be this universe's faster-than-light technology. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:57, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::I recall seeing something about how Megatron can travel interstellar distances, but that he's supposed to be one of the few Transformers who can. Additionally, we see the Decepticons travel to Earth in transition form, implying that they are coming from somewhere in the solar system. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:59, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, Megatron can travel interstellar distances, but in a day or two? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:02, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::::And return with Starscream and Grindor? And have The Fallen and a buttload of new Hatchlings arrive not soon after? They can't be lightyears away. That'd basically be Yet Another Plothole. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::According to the Ultimate Guide, The Fallen actually can do something like a space bridge, so wouldn't it be possible for the Fallen to have brought them to the final battle? Unless the Fallen can only do personal transport.
:::::For Grindor, though, do we know he was actually on the Nemesis?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:47, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::I thought someone might suggest that about The Fallen, so I didn't argue that point. I think that if he has the ability to space bridge armies across interstellar distances I would wonder why he would need the Nemesis at all. Starscream also made it to the Nemesis but he had a little longer, he could have hailed a space taxi or something. I think the movie strongly implies the Decepticons traveled by protoform from a relatively short distance and landed on the aircraft carriers. Even The Fallen. He seems to have traveled by protoform. Maybe space bridging long distances uses too much energy? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:13, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::"Saturn" appears to have a nebula in the background in the movie.
:::::::Which means that unless you can provide a cite for it being Saturn, it's not Saturn. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:51, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

==Power of a Prime?==
Why is that important? --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 20:15, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:Why is pointing out the differences between the film itself and its adaptations important? Is that what you're asking? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:19, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:Why IS information about a Transformer in a Transfomers wiki important, I wonder? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:The novel and comics are similar enough to the movie that they don't merit their own sections on the page, so the few significant differences that DO crop up need to go SOMEWHERE. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 20:53, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

==Main Pic==

Since the standard practice to to have the main image use the body the character first appeared in, rather than their most recent or more well known, shouldn't the main pic here be his Dreamwave body? [[User:Eire]] 23.45 18 Aug 09 (UTC)
:In this case it was changed so that movie visitors wouldn't reach the page and go "who the hell is this guy?" as well as to visually distinguish our article from Wikia's.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 19:25, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

==Leader Class==

I found a clip on Youtube about a Leader class The Fallen toy. It's extremely close to the CGI version in design and look and it comes with a staff. I think it's a fanmade one, but it's definitely worth noticing. I have proof. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q142a9Fl9_c]--[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 09:49, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
: Yeah, that's a custom by FrenzyRumble. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

== Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg ==

OK, who put that there? The Fallen isn't even on it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:07, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
: Read the caption and come back to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:09, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::I just wasted two seconds on reading a caption which I have already memorized, and another ten on checking the image again. The Fallen is NOT on the image. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:19, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::...yes he is. See the guy behind Vector Prime? His silhouette matches The Fallen's. Pay special attention to the little spikey hangy-things on his crotch, plus the shape of his head. And don't talk to ME about wasting time. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:21, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::::My bad. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:26, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

== Unable to edit ==
I noticed that I am unable to edit The Fallen page why is that. Also I thing the sarcophagus should have its own link and that it should be edited to make it more appropiate. --[[User:Naruotfox94|Narutofox94]] 10:04, 14 November 2009

== Lawson Exclusive EZ Fallen??? ==

Just noticed the pic of the 'Lawson exclusive' EZ figure.

Apparently the version of EZ Fallen released in the 2-pack with Soundwave was actually the standard US version, and the Takara-Tomy picture was incorrect. Unless anyone has an official source (in-hand pictures, on-line sales listings etc) that says the Japanese version of the Legends figure is any different from the US colours, I'd recommend deleting this photo. [[Special:Contributions/213.123.203.109|213.123.203.109]] 09:03, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:... that doesn't make any sense. If we don't have any in-hand photos, how do we know it's the SAME as the US release? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:10, 1 December 2009 (EST)
::So what you're saying is that we have this exclusive Legends Fallen, now released in Japan. You'd think it might show up ''somewhere''? But there's not a squeak of it on YouTube, on eBay, or for that matter ANY Transformers retailer or website you can care to name (trust me, I've checked). I realise it's supposedly an exclusive, but I can't think of another occasion in all my years of collecting when a figure's been commercially released and yet NO-ONE has seen it. As I say, I think it's just a bad photograph.

::Also, note that the two supposed 'exclusives' in this Lawson offer were Mudflap and The Fallen... which haven't actually been released in Japan as part of the main EZ line (nor have they been announced as forthcoming). So it would make sense that these are the standard US versions, which were Lawson store exclusives in Japan. Just like how ROTF Deluxes Dead End, Swerve and Stalker Scorponok were on general sale in the US but store exclusives in Japan.

::I seem to recall pictures of Takara Deluxe Ravage and Voyager Mixmaster with different paint apps too (extra purple on Ravage and a different coloured head on Mixmaster) - yet both releases ended up the same as their US counterparts. Early photos of the Takara combiner Devastator (shown in Hyber Hobby and Dengeki Hobby) has the US grey face that was later changed to red in Japan. We now know that the Deluxe red Rampage has a movie-accurate silver shovel, not the red one we saw in the early pictures. My point here is that promotional photos are notoriously unreliable.

::I realise I'm on shaky ground here - It's very difficult to prove something ''doesn't'' exist. But I think at the very least the point should be made on the page that this so-called redeco has never - to anyone's knowledge - been sighted outside of a low-res photo on the Takara website. And possibly never will.[[Special:Contributions/91.104.167.124|91.104.167.124]] 13:55, 7 December 2009 (EST)
:::This strikes me as a question that would easily be resolved if we had actual contact with the Japanese fanbase.... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:01, 7 December 2009 (EST)
::::OK, after a bit of research, I've discovered that the US and Japanese versions of these legends are IDENTICAL. There are pictures on TFW2005 (I think you need to be a member to sign into the forums) [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/281376-rotf-takara-v-hasbro-comparisons.html] So this page ''does'' need to be changed, as does Mudflap's.[[Special:Contributions/91.104.167.124|91.104.167.124]] 17:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Page Quote ==

To be fair... whether or not it should be changed to LesterX's idea, the current quote does suck. It says pretty much zero about the Fallen's personality or motivation or purpose or anything. All it says is that he's from some past time period, which is true of every 13 member. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:21, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:I never was crazy about it but it does do a good job of summing up a pretty major aspect of the character. I'm gonna go through all his comic appearances and have a look for a better one (can't think of one from the movie) [[User:Eire]] 00.00 Jan 08 2009 (UTC)
::Change the top quote all you want, but "kali ma" is so not going away for another damn "Give me your face" joke. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:05, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:::No argument from me on ''that'' regard. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:14, 7 January 2010 (EST)

==Separate==
I recommend that this page be split into two different pages, as the backgrounds differ. (I would type in a label, but the thing won't let me) [[User:Cold Rod|Cold Rod]] 16:23, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
: I recommend you learn what [[multiversal singularity]] means. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:38, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
::Of which the movie version is not. [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 12:41, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::I would like to laugh at this, because do you see that big pile of text on [[multiversal singularity]]? That was taken from a Hasbro response ABOUT SPECIFICALLY MOVIE THE FALLEN. The original question was "If The Fallen is a multiversal singularity, how can we reconcile these various different movie-originated versions of him, like in the novelization and childrens storybooks?" And then we got that answer. So to say that the answer does not pertain to movie The Fallen betrays a monumental ignorance of the subject at hand. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:11, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Prove it. According to Hasbro multiversal singularities can have different backgrounds in different universes and still be the SAME character. Confusing, but true. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::So they look exactly the same then? they have the same background? [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 12:56, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Somebody sign this guy up for a course in logic. Or at least ENGLISH. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:58, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::Seriously, read the [[multiversal singularity]] page. Specifically "multiversal dynamics". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:00, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::You said '''can''', not '''do'''. There's a difference. '''Can''' means possibly. '''Do''' means certainly. It doesn't prove their one and the same. The one bathed in fire isn't a Decepticon. In addition, Teletraan 1 (the other wiki) split theirs. [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 13:05, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Then go annoy them and leave us alone. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:08, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Besides, the other wiki is pretty much abandoned by this community. They're now almost independent. Not only that, but I'm pretty sure Hasbro said they were the same character. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 13:09, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yes, can. The Fallen has different backgrounds in different universes, but is still a singularity. Other singularities have the same background in different universes. Thus, singularities CAN have different backgrounds. Also, what Teletraan 1 does is not an argument that will go over well here. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:10, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::To cut a long story short, we're treating them as the same because Hasbro writer [[Forest Lee]], who's basically responsible for all the multiversal singularity stuff, ''says they are'', and has offered an explanation for how that works. And yes, kindly refrain from holding up ''anything'' Teletraan-1 does as a basis for how we should do things. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:22, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::I thank the other wiki a billion times for separating their Fallen pages, because Google sure likes our page way better now! (and that was fairly immediate) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:07, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Google still prefers Wikia if you add "Transformers" to your search terms for "The Fallen", at least from what I can tell. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:18, 27 May 2010 (EDT)

== Multiversal Clean Up ==

Some people's stubborn refusals to understand his nature aside, I think the article as written right now might contain a few too many "artifacts" from when we were still rather unsure of the Fallen's Multiversal Singularity status and how it worked. The "Origin" section for instance seems to exist entirely to present his differing origins as being a conflict while not mentioning at all that Hasbro's explanation on how singularities work explains any conflict away.

I think the page could use a slight "refresh" (the Origin section especially) to really make it clearer that all the differing apperences, actions, and even origins are all part and parcel of how a mulitversal singularity works and not mistakes or continuity conflicts.

Didn't want to try to touch/alter such a potentially controversial article without feeling people out on the idea first though. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

:Anyone have any real feelings on this one way or another? If no, I may attempt a clean up as discribed above in the near future. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 13:03, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
::I'm inclined that it gets a "refresh", given the "stubborn refusals to under his nature". MUL-TI-VERSE, how hard is it to understand? Oy. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:39, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::What is this 'multiverse' of which you speak? Is that a breakfast cereal?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:44, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
::::A wonderful porridge filled with all the vitamins and minerals (some necessary, some superfluous, and some bad for the waistline) for growing protoforms, from the same company that produces Garbage O's! :B --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:49, 27 May 2010 (EDT)

==Megatronous Prime==
Where the hell did the person who put The Fallen's real name as Megatronous Prime? Which comic or whatever included his real name did that person learn that?
:I believe it was mentioned in the [[Transformers: Exodus|Exodus novel]]. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::I wonder if that's a reference to the Covenant of Primus... "I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. I am that which is, which was, and is yet to come...and you will know my name is Megatron when I lay my vengeance upon you!" Sounds like it could be about the Fallen to me. If that's the case, other Megatrons may have named themselves after him to show how hardcore they are. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:58, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

===Appearance===
Dark, Decepticon symbol face, did he look like Soundblaster? Considering that [[Logos Prime|Soundblaster]] might or might not be one of the 13, feels like an odd coincidence. I guess we'll have to wait to find out if that actually means anything. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:43, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:No. He looked like this squat, ornately-carved boxy monstrosity whose whole body vaguely looked like a 'Con symbol, the face much moreso, with a big right-arm cannon. Hasbro said in a previous Q&A answer that we should not assume Logos Prime is one of the 13. I would not be surprised if that character never matters again. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:09, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::Considering Logos Prime can alter his appearance at will, and that Soundblaster is only one of those forms, Logos Prime can basically be any of the other 13 that he wants. Hell, maybe he's the Fallen. </fanon> --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:36, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I put up this section hoping for it to turn out that way. I think I should maybe discuss this on a messageboard. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Was it [http://t4ak.roblox.com/daaf9f4eb9b33f115661eb4a7c849007 this?] --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 15:17, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

==Megatronus vs Megatronus Prime==
When Hasbro did their Thirteen concept art presentation at BotCon, pre-The Fallen was just "Megatronus" rather than "Megatronus Prime". I assume this was intentional, as the only Thirteener to otherwise have "Prime" as part of his name in the line-up was Vector Prime. I don't know how this factoid should be incorporated, though. Just in Notes? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:07, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

== Life support chair ==

Where did this info come from? It wasn't clarified in the movie.--[[Special:Contributions/96.54.128.212|96.54.128.212]] 16:49, 23 December 2010 (EST)

== A little request ==

Can we have some notes to compare and contrast Fallen's tie-in IDW comics, game, and promo-render forms with the one presented in the final movie? Or at least, can someone explain to me here on this talk page? I know they're different...but I just can't put my finger on how (probably because of the drought of good full body screencaps of him in ROTF) and it's kind of bugged me for a while now. - [[User:Tyrannolodon|Tyrannolodon]] 11:09, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

== Disciples vs. Apostles ==

''"If the first Transformers were Cybertron's '''disciples''', then The Fallen is its Judas."'' I changed this to "apostles" a short time ago, and my edit was undone with this message as accompaniment: ''"The reference is to''' Jesus' twelve disciples'''. Not all of them became apostles, and not all apostles had been disciples."'' I believe there is a confusion here between "apostle" ("one who is sent forth") and "disciple" (student). The apostles were Jesus' twelve chosen: Peter, Andrew, James the Greater, John, Phillip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the Lesser, Thaddeus, Simon, and Judas (Judas was later replaced by Matthias, and the title was also granted to Paul and Barnabas). The disciples were simply the followers of Jesus: the first Christians. Since this page refers to the Twelve, the reference should say "apostle." And if anyone wants a source for all this (other than my Catholic upbringing), I'll list the Bible, CatholicAnswers, and my religion teacher (a Dominican sister who DEFINITELY knows what she is talking about). Sorry for the religion lesson, but I'm 99.9% sure that "apostle" is the right word here.
:-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] - 2:30 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
::You must not have listened carefully. Judas Iscariot was a disciple of Jesus, but he was never an apostle. Because he was not sent forth to teach after Jesus death and resurrection. At least that's the way it was explained in the Baptist Churches I grew up in.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:36, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::The only part of Judas sent forth was his intestines. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:44, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:Does that really apply anymore anyway? There is now the [[Liege Maximo|Liege Maximo]] so there would be two Judases. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:51, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::I'm still wondering if there is any actual evidence (the two being specifically mentioned as being somewhere at the same time for instance) that The Fallen isn't the Liege Maximo. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:52, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Uh, the relevant panels at the last two BotCons? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:52, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::What exactly was said at the panels, what I've heard didn't sound definitive. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:58, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::What was said is "This is The Liege Maximo. He's one of the 13. Here is Megatronus Prime, another member of the 13. Later, Megatronus Prime becomes this guy, The Fallen." Each of those three entities had their own art. Liege Maximo looked drastically different from Megatronus/Fallen. And... I'm pretty sure The Fallen isn't going to be two different members of the 13. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:27, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::Okay, that is clear. Given that it was stated that they are separate, my question is invalidated. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:19, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
I beg to differ, [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]]: he was sent forth '''before''' Jesus' death. [http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/luke/passage.aspx?q=luke+9:1-6 Luke 9:1-6] gives one account of this. Judas was one of the Twelve, AKA the apostles. Also, hee hee... intestines.
:-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 3:01 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
::I'm not arguing that he wasn't sent forth before Jesus's death, I'm arguing that "the apostles" are those sent forth AFTER Jesus's death. Paul was an apostle, never a disciple. Judas was a disciple, never an apostle (by the definition I gave). Since Fallen = Judas, apostle is not a good term to use here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:04, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Perhaps [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apostle the dictionary definition] can settle this? Note the list of the Twelve.
::::-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 15:59, 8 June 2011 (EDT) 3:59 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
:::::I really think this is a Catholic vs Protestant thing. To a Protestant hearing the word Apostle applied before Jesus's death seems weird. Do a google search for "12 Disciples" and look how many Protestant sources use that formulation. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:07, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::Whereas to a Catholic, "12 Disciples" sounds just plain uneducated (no offense intended). So what shall be done here? (All definitions I see in dictionaries still list Judas among the apostles.) -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 16:31, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

I'm gonna go out on a whim here and say we should have it compare the Thirteen to the Archangels and that The Fallen is their Lucifer. At least Judas was remorseful enough to kill himself. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:02, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:Lucifer was not an Archangel. He was a Seraph. In fact, the Archangels are the second-lowest in the nine choirs. -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 18:23, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::My point still stands: I had considered changing the comparison from Judas to Lucifer ages ago but opted not to out of respect for the lead ItsWalky wrote. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:35, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::I don't think "Lucifer was not an Archangel" is something that's universally agreed upon, especially since a lot of that stuff is, well, apocryphal. Googling "Lucifer Archangel" sure brings up a lot of stuff about how Lucifer is an Archangel, for example. I think you need to start stating these things with less certainty. There's a lot of Christian mythology, and it all doesn't agree with itself. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:38, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::To be perfectly honest, I ''can't'' state these things with less certainty. Being Catholic, I am obligated to believe what the Church teaches. I'm actually quite surprised and fascinated to see some of these other views that I'd never heard of before. But, in Catholic teaching (which we just so happen to regard as objective reality, not just our opinion), Judas was an apostle and Lucifer was the highest of the angels and thus a Seraph. I do hope I don't sound rude or inconsiderate or <insert negative adjective here>, because I don't mean to be. I'm simply pointing out what I thought was an error (that being said, I preferred the Judas comparison to the Lucifer one; [[Unicron]] would make a better Satan parallel). -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 20:11, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry if this has already been resolved, but wikipedia describes the definition of "apostle" to include Judas, stating that he wasn't sent afterward, and that the title was extended past the Twelve. They were sent out in Mark 6:7-13, and Matthew 10:1-4 explicitly calls Judas one of the apostles. Like, it says "the names of the twelve apostles are" and then says "Judas". Luke 6:12-16 says this as well, and indicates that they worked alongside other disciples who were not apostles.
::As far as archangels/seraphs -- Lucifer is not given an explicit rank beyond being the "highest of angels". There are two main treatments of the angelic hierarchy -- one with simply "angels" and "archangels", and one with all nine ranks organized in three spheres, essentially splitting the other's "archangel" into eight separate rungs, the lowest of which retains the name "archangel". Both rankings place Lucifer, Gabriel, Michael, and Raphael at the top, regardless of what they actually name that rank. It's basically a difference in terms/detail, rather than intent.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:28, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
:::To be fair, I guess saying "the thirteen are his disciples" isn't really "wrong", as the apostles ''were'' disciples.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:29, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

==The Fallen's plan in movie continuity==
Now forgive me if this was explained in any of the more recent IDW stuff (I don't own any comics past the ROTF adaptation), but has the Fallen's initial plan with Megatron ever been explained beyond: '''1. Find star harvester, 2. Find Matrix, 3. ???, 4. Control power of the AllSpark'''? By the timeframe of ROTF, the plan is evidently to use energon from the harvester to revitalise the AllSpark-less Cybertron, but this clearly wasn't their original intention. Thanks, [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 17:48, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

== Split? ==

I know that the Fallen is a multiuniversal singularity, but I honestly think the Movie incarnation of The Fallen should get a seperate page. I think the character's article is getting way too long and I think we should split that section. Like [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] gets a page for his appearances in the cartoon and Marvel Comics continuities, I believe that should happen here. We should split the section into an article titled <nowiki>[[The Fallen (Movie)]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[The Fallen (ROTF)]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[The Fallen/Live-action film continuity family]]</nowiki>.[[Special:Contributions/72.70.64.11|72.70.64.11]] 11:21, 8 November 2011 (EST)

:I know this has been discussed before. I, like you, believe it is possible for all Fallen's to actually be 1 Fallen, but I believe the film incarnation should get a seperate page anyway because this article is getting way too long.[[Special:Contributions/72.70.64.11|72.70.64.11]] 11:26, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::49 kb is not that particularly long. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:18, 8 November 2011 (EST)

== Exodus-Exiles ==

Should the two sections be merged to better represent the in-continuity chronological order?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 13:46, 1 December 2011 (EST)

== Capitalization concerning the Aligned continuity. ==

I don't have "Exodus" so readily available at the moment, but in "Exiles" the capitalization is "the Fallen", more used as an adjective than a name (likely as the "Fallen Prime"). I'm willing to do this, but I move for all mentions of "the Fallen" concerning the Aligned universe be written with the lower case "t", just as "Mini-Con" is "Minicon", or the whole "Brawl/Devastator" movie thing. Not all will be "the Fallen" (like in the movies that DOES have the capitalization) just information with the Aligned continuity family. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 22:15, 31 January 2012 (EST)

== Title ==

Should this not be at Megatronus? It's his true name and the name more often used nowadays in Aligned stuff. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:11, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:While I like the idea of putting the page at his original personal name rather than his moniker, I think more people know of the character by the moniker than by the name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:51, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:: The only time people regularly call him anything other than the Fallen is in Aligned stuff, so I'd say no. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 15:54, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:::Well, Aligned and IDW are the only stuff featuring him at this point (and are also two of the three-still running major continuities in the first place). Dreamwave material is now obscura and ROTF is a flash in the pan movie that nobody cares about anymore. The trend is towards using "Megatronus" over "the Fallen" now and that seems likely to continue in the future. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:Ehhhhn. The movie kind of has this article by the throat. It's why we decided to break our usual rule for the article-header picture, and I think it'd be odd to go with Megatronus. Right now, anyway.- [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 16:30, 17 December 2015 (EST)
::I still feel ROTF is old news now. It's been two movies since then, and all the general public remembers at best is "that random evil guy who got his face ripped off in that confusing movie". Is it really that big of an impact whether this article is at Megatronus or not for those people? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:23, 23 December 2015 (EST)

:::When you say IDW is featuring Megatronus/The Fallen in their stuff, are you referring to their RID tie-in comic, or has he made an appearance in IDWG1 that I haven't heard about? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 10:39, 23 December 2015 (EST)
::::He's been mentioned in IDW, and the Thirteen in general are becoming prominent parts of its mythology. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:29, 25 December 2015 (EST)
:There's also the notion that one of the whole points behind this guy is that, because he did something so terrible in the past, he's not supposed to have a real name anymore. So even if we know that he real name formerly was "Megatronus", he in his present life isn't supposed to be known by that name (or any name) anymore, much like how a few Optimus Primes were formerly "Orion Pax" in their earlier lives but not in their present lives. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:17, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::But that's not really the case in Aligned... [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:29, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::: It's the case in most other works of Aligned fiction except RID. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 16:48, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::::Exodus, Exiles, and the Covenant all made it clear that "Megatronus" was his name back ''before'' he fell, not after. The Prime cartoon even called in "The Fallen" in a present sense. Only the RID cartoon treats him with "Megatronus" as his present day name, and that's just one piece of fiction out of several. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:57, 25 December 2015 (EST)
:::::That may be true, but it's the ''only'' fiction featuring him right now. It's not like there's some other series calling him the Fallen at the same time. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:37, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::::::Unless he somehow comes back from the dead to return in season 2, RID isn't currently featuring Megatronus anymore after his only appearing in 3 out of 26 episodes, what with RID season 1 being long since done and over with by this point. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:52, 25 December 2015 (EST)

:::::::Ah. That's what I get for not actually watching the show. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 23:06, 25 December 2015 (EST)
I feel like we should revisit this? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:29, 9 January 2018 (EST)
:Seconded. With two of the three Prime Wars Trilogy cartoons using Megatronus as the primary name (Megatron only references The Fallen as a nickname/title of sorts, i.e. "the Fallen, the Flame, the one who stood apart from the original Thirteen, the first Decepticon"), that's another piece of non-Aligned media making the shift. It's also been almost a decade since RotF, so I think it doesn't hold as much weight as it used to. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:17, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::Agreed. 'The Fallen' title is rarely used anymore, with the biggest one being ROTF, but even then the movie came out almost 9 years ago. Since all current media refer to him as Megatronus, the page should really be called that. And here on this wiki, we usually do real names, not nicknames. Additionally 'Fallen' is a very common name amongst all media (and a word too). [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:12, 9 January 2018 (EST)
:::There is no amount of other media that counterbalances 1) the first name used for him in fiction or 2) BLOCKBUSTER LIVE ACTION MOVIE. I don't care if it was friggin' 60 years ago. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:43, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::::Plus it's like... in the ''title'' of that blockbuster live action movie. "Oh no, no one is going to remember the name of the bad guy from the movie with the name of the bad guy in the title" is just a weird concern. [[User:Diecast|Diecast]] ([[User talk:Diecast|talk]]) 17:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::::Right. Just. Fucking. Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)

== Change the mainpic? ==

Right, so here's the thing; RoTF's been out for a while, we've had two sequels and another forthcoming...and none of the movies since have ever even mentioned The Fallen. He's sort of become discarded within the movie continuity; I mean, you can't erase RoTF from existance, but it seems like Movie Fallen is being silently pushed aside. To this point, DW Fallen is still the most notable instance of the character, since he's both the first occurance of the concept and the (to this point) most unanimously lauded version; Aligned Fallen is screwed by Aligned itself being a clusterfuck, Movie Fallen was barely in his own movie and was not recieved well by anybody...Should we then maybe consider making Dreamwave Fallen the mainpic again?

Mostly because A) The DW-verse Fallen is the first body of the character; so, by the whole "first body/most notable body is mainpic" rule, DW!Fallen should be mainpic, not Movie!Fallen. And B) Movie Fallen has fallen into obscurity, at least as far as the character goes. We usually go with the most well-known bodies of these characters, and I know that DW (as...questionable as they were at times) still had a huge influence on TF comics, about as much as the movies did, IIRC.

So I'd say that we should at least hold a psuedo-council to see if we stick with the mainpic we have now or if we'll switch it out for a different mainpic. Anybody have any thoughts? [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 13:03, 21 February 2016 (EST)
:Most notable? How many people have seen the RotF movie versus know about the comics from a failed publisher? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:08, 21 February 2016 (EST)
::DW also single-handedly revived interest in TF comics from all sorts of comic fans, so obviously they're pretty well-known, even if they did go down in flames. RoTF, while still seen by many people, was also probably rather incredibly hampered by the massive negative reception it recieved, which means it probably didn't reach as much people as, say, it's sequel did. In fact, both DoTM and AoE are ''far'' above RoTF in revenue, so obviously a lot more people saw the former two and not the latter.

::Plus, we also need to consider that RoTF was, financially, not the most sucessful of the films; in fact, except for the original, it's the ''worst'' preforming of them. So really, I'd say DW's had a much more lasting impact than RoTF had, at least in any positive ways. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2016 (EST)

:::This accomplishes nothing. The mainpic now is perfectly fine. Besides, no one even remembers Dreamwave anymore, except to make Pat Lee jokes. I could see maybe changing the picture to a collage of Megatronus/The Fallen in various continuities similar the one over at [[Sideways (disambiguation)]], but changing to the way he looked in ten year old comics from a dead publisher is aggressively stupid. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:04, 21 February 2016 (EST)

::::Revenge of the Fallen total box office take: $836,300,000. Average ticket price in 2011: $8. Estimated number of people who saw it in the theater worldwide: 104,000,000. Let's be insanely conservative and assume that most people saw it twice. Still, 52,000,000 people. Let's further assume that the home video distribution reached a whopping ZERO people who didn't see the film theatrically.
::::Now let's look at DW. Biggest print run per issue: approximately 100,000. Let's be insanely generous and double that number, to 200,000 unique people reading a DW issue. Then let's double it again because of trade paperbacks, for 400,000. Let's double it a third time because maybe people are lending / selling their old issues. 800,000. Even with all these generous assumptions, Revenge of the Fallen had about 65 times the audience that DW did for its entire existence. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:07, 21 February 2016 (EST)

I'm reviving this discussion since over 8 years have passed and a lot more media has come out since. While RotF may have been the most prevalent piece of media to feature The Fallen, I feel it hasn't had significant influence on the character. I feel this is most evident with his upcoming toy in Age of the Primes being based off his Dreamwave body. I don't know a perfect solution to this as it may be hard to argue which iteration should be the one to headline the page, but as RotF's relevance dwindlts I think we need to reevaluate this. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 13:21, 9 November 2024 (EST)
:I support first appearance main pic if a split is off the table. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:25, 9 November 2024 (EST)

:: Throwing in my two cents, I think something like the "Optimus family comparison" photo on the [[Continuity family]] page would be a good idea. It would allow the various depictions of The Fallen (Dreamwave, ''ROTF'', ''Covenant'', ''RID (2015)'', ''POTP'', and ''One'') to be together under one image, maybe with a nod that almost every version of The Fallen's face seems to be based on the Decepticon faction symbol and the common visual of flames. While the Dreamwave incarnation is the first appearance and the basis of the upcoming toy in [[Transformers: Age of the Primes]], the Michael Bay incarnation is still part of one of the movie's names... so it's hard to completely dismiss that version's importance. <br><br>I also think the intro to the page needs a revamp from the "Evil Judas archetype" version that's been around for a while. If anything, more recent incarnations have been more "Cain" from The Bible's Cain and Abel story. Plus, ''One'' has introduced a non "Fallen" Megatronus, so now there's at least one version of this character who hasn't betrayed his fellow Primes (unless future media in this continuity family changes that).--[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 13:22, 30 November 2024 (EST)
:::Feels like this is sort of the same discussion about the page name as below, or at least dependent on it. At least in my opinion, if the page stays at The Fallen, the pic is probably fine. If it gets moved to Megatronus, though, it should definitely change. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 04:44, 3 December 2024 (EST)
:::I don't have much else to add. While I agree that there is merit to Megatronus I think that keeping it as The Fallen keeps it simple and less messy. Not looking to debate my stance, just want to leave it here for the record. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 14:24, 24 January 2025 (EST)

==Move to Megatronus?==
It feels like for the last several iterations, "Megatronus" has gotten more and more use than "The Fallen." Between that, the recent movie giving us a rare non-Fallen version of Megatronus, and now the new "Megatronus the Fallen" toy, would it make sense to move the page to "Megatronus" with "The Fallen" as a redirect, rather than the other way around? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 15:53, 28 October 2024 (EDT)
:I could go either way, but I believe time has indeed proven the previous obstinacy complaints from 2018 to have been false on its face, with ''Transformers One'' indeed having validated ''Robots in Disguise'' and ''Prime Wars Trilogy'' as "Megatronus" being Hasbro's preferred name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:07, 9 November 2024 (EST)
::I did have a discussion in Discord about this, and, yeah, I still support this move. "But the 15-year-old movie" is dull at this point. No, I don't care about aggro shut-down-the-discussion quips, either. (A good compromise would be to split this page like we do with everything else, then the movie guy can keep the name.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:20, 9 November 2024 (EST)
:::I feel like a split would be messy, since most Megatronuses (Megatroni?) are also, uh, Fallens (pluralizations are awkward here). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:08, 28 November 2024 (EST)
:::I agree that moving it seems like a good idea. As others have said, he’s been called Megatronus more times than he’s been called the Fallen. [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 17:13, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:Just calling him the Fallen feels outdated at this point, maybe the page could just be renamed "Megatronus The Fallen"?. -- [[User:MikeOsix|MikeOsix]] ([[User_talk:MikeOsix|talk]]) 20:53, 18 January 2024 (EST)
::We're definitely not doing THAT. To copy what I said on the Community Portal: I feel the need to point out that it's not just One Megatronus that didn't use the name. EVERY toyline and piece of media in the last decade — RID15, the Prime Wars cartoons, the POTP toy, the offhand mentions in Cyberverse — have used "Megatronus", completely dropping the idea that he stopped being Megatronus and became the Fallen. It's evidently how Hasbro thinks of the character; the Studio Series toy provides plenty of evidence that they could have just called the AOTP toy "The Fallen" if they'd wanted to. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:42, 18 January 2025 (EST)
can i vote against it on the grounds that "megatronus" is stupid --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 22:48, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:Echoing and expanding on what ''I'' said on the community portal, I feel that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses do still become The Fallen (the most recent mention of "The Fallen" being in the third issue of the Skybound comics), but replace the mainpic with his Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with a rewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. To me, renaming the page to Megatronus feels like renaming an Optimus Prime page to Orion Pax. The name was created to tell us what he was called before he became The Fallen, like how Orion Pax was what Optimus was called before he became Optimus Prime.
:TF One Megatronus never got to become The Fallen but he's a footnote of a character, not the new standard. As of now, the only impact TF One Megatronus has had on the brand is the official reveal video for Age of the Primes describing the very Dreamwave/Aligned-based AOTP version as "the most powerful Prime," while still also putting a grim, pronounced emphasis on "The Fallen" when referring to him as "Megatronus... '''''The Fallen'''''". And the fact that Hasbro decided to retain "The Fallen" part of the AOTP toy's name instead of just calling him "Megatronus" (which they easily could have done if they wanted to, but didn't) shows that they are unwilling to fully let go of that part of the character's identity.
:Looking over this article, of the twelve distinct versions covered on this page, the only ones that have not been given the "Fallen" moniker in any fiction (whether because they either never received it or were merely never confirmed to have received it) are the ones from the Prime Wars Trilogy, Cyberverse, IDW2 and TF One, compared to the named Fallens from Dreamwave, Fun Pub, Movieverse, Aligned, Animated (via the AllSpark Almanac II), JG1, IDW1, and Skybound. And that's with all of the different Movieverse comics/books/bios/games counted as versions of the same Fallen from the ROTF movie, both the Forged to Fight and Earth Wars Megatronuses considered versions of Prime Wars Trilogy Megatronus, and all of the disparate Aligned depictions counted as one guy since he was given the "Fallen" moniker in the novels, the Covenant book, the Prime cartoon (Bulkhead namedropped The Fallen in the episode "Partners" when he sarcastically remarked, "Yeah right! And I've been Lobbing with The Fallen!"); only RID2015 and its tie-in games/comics used just "Megatronus" but he's still the same guy as the "Fallen" mentioned in TF: Prime by virtue of RID2015 being a direct in-continuity sequel to TF: Prime and Fixit reiterating what Ratchet had originally said in TF: Prime about Megatron naming himself after Megatronus (ergo, RID2015 Megatronus counts as another "The Fallen" thanks to TF: Prime having called him that beforehand). It's a ratio of 4 non-Fallens vs. 8 Fallens. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:18, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::Pretty much all this. I feel like there's some real Recency Bias going on here, which has happened a few times in the past with stuff that didn't pan out (Tailgate, fer ex). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:18, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::''Robots in Disguise'' - "[[Battlegrounds, Part 1|Battlegrounds]]" turns 10 this year, 2025. That strikes me as a big stretch to be "recent". [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:42, 20 January 2025 (EST)
::You know, you make a good point. And I agree about the mainpic switch, it makes sense considering that one melds elements from all the major designs. Either that or the collage idea suggested above sound good to me. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 07:50, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:: I mean, it's more like if for the past 10 years of media and toys had almost all just used "Orion Pax". If that was the case, I dunno, I feel like using "Orion Pax" for a page name would be reasonable! Genuinely, I kind of feel like I'd respect it more if we just said "we're not moving it because 'the fallen' is a better name than 'megatronus'" rather than pretending like Megatronus ISN'T Hasbro's preferred terminology for the character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:38, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::If I can play devil's advocate: this example obviously isn't quite 1 to 1 because there's real world reasons behind it, but we haven't moved Slag to Slug because that's Hasbro's preferred name for him these days. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:47, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::::A good point! To be clear, I'd ''rather'' have the page at The Fallen, I just think the argument for Megatronus is more convincing than people are giving it credit for. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:49, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::::Okay, here we go: Wikipedia hasn't moved Darth Vader to Anakin Skywalker even though, by this point, in terms of media that "matters," he's appeared more as the later; for Marvel, Bucky's article is still at Bucky Barnes despite him being depicted as the Winter Soldier for the last 20 years. (I'm ignoring Wookipedia and the Marvel wiki because they have the inane "real name" policy that I find to be largely useless). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:30, 20 January 2025 (EST)
::::::I don't think what Wikipedia does regarding well-known characters that have been around for decades really matters here. (In the case of Bucky, Wikipedia goes with real names when the character has two or more notable identities, anyway.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:33, 21 January 2025 (EST)
:Echoing Walky's "Megatronus is dumb" sentiment, it's not only a dumb-sounding name, but the very idea of his name being known at all completely misses the entire point of the character, the whole point of what his becoming "The Fallen" even means. When he becomes "The Fallen", it means his name has been scrubbed from history and lost to time, meaning no one in the present-day who wasn't an original peer of his is supposed to know what original name was, or even be able to find out what it was. Meaning Megatron shouldn't have been able to even name himself after The Fallen in the first place. But even with that damage done, the name still exists as what he used to be called before his name was forgotten. "The Fallen" is meant to be his present-day moniker.
:The aforementioned Darth Vader is an excellent comparison, as the character was introduced as Darth Vader, then later fiction revealed his original name of Anakin Skywalker and went on to craft an enormous amount of fiction about Vader as Anakin, yet just like The Fallen, "Anakin Skywalker" is supposed to be a thing of the past when he becomes Darth Vader (only briefly resurfacing right before his death in Return of the Jedi, but I digress). Darth Vader represent his present, while Anakin Skywalker represents his past. Same as how "Orion Pax" is the past form of the present-day "Optimus Prime", and how "Megatronus" is the past form of the present-day "Fallen".
:And besides, don't we have some sort of "first used name" policy? [[Overhaul (Cybertron)]] spent ''way'' more time in that show as Leobreaker yet we keep him at "Overhaul". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:12, 20 January 2025 (EST)
::I think you're focusing a little too much on what should be instead of what is. Megatronus is his name, whether we like it or not; bemoaning its existence doesn't accomplish anything. "It's his past identity" doesn't really work when we have Megatronus show up in multiple stories as "Megatronus". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:44, 21 January 2025 (EST)
:I think we can at least agree that the intro could use a rewrite. I don't know if a collage like Sideways is more appropriate than one main pic, though Megatronus/The Fallen has had many different looks across the franchise. Anyways, I think a conceptual history would be a good addition considering how much his depiction has changed since the Dreamwave comics. [[User:Cydra|Cydra]] ([[User talk:Cydra|talk]]) 19:23, 20 January 2025 (EST)
:I would personally prefer to keep "The Fallen" as the page's name, but I've had thoughts on both sides of this discussion that I'm sharing to generate further discussion:
::'''Pro-"Megatronus" thoughts:''' "The Fallen" was introduced in 2003, and his original name of "Megatronus" was introduced in 2010, which means that as a "character", he's been called "Megatronus" for more years than the entire time he was known only as "The Fallen". "Megatronus" is still being used in contemporary media (''One'') and toylines ("Age of the Primes"), which means it's become a key component to the character's identity. As for the Darth Vader comparison... I think it's important to note that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker were introduced as two separate individuals in ''A New Hope'', only to be revealed as the same person in ''Empire Strikes Back''. Isn't that a similar situation to the [[Solomus]]/[[Tyrest (G1)]] scenario that happened, with Tyrest's page being moved/merged with Solomus's? Does Solomus act as a precedent for characters whose original names supersede their names up to that point?
::'''Pro-"The Fallen" thoughts''': If "The Fallen" was more of an archetype and other characters had begun adopting the title of "The Fallen" / began taking on the role of killing [[Solus Prime]] / betraying the [[Thirteen]] by serving [[Unicron]]... then I would see splitting pages / moving pages as the right choice. But so far that hasn't happened, and as previously pointed out: there are more Megatronus's who are "The Fallen" than those who aren't. Now if we see more and more Megatronuses who don't become The Fallen... well, we'll all be having the same conversation in a few years! But I don't quite think we've met that threshold yet, even with 15 years having passed - but that's really because the Aligned continuity went all-in on the Thirteen/Primus/Unicron lore, and most media franchises since then have focused on other members of the Thirteen (Alchemist, Quintus) besides The Fallen. Also... ''*deep breathe*'' I think we should still consider the existence of ''Revenge of '''The Fallen''','' even if it's a movie from 2009. ''*crowd groans*'' I know, I know. You've heard this one before.
::'''TLDR and Other Thoughts''':I think that unless the non-Fallens outnumber the Fallens, or unless "The Fallen" becomes more of an archetype and less of a character, it's better to let the page keep its current name. Is keeping the page at its current name doing any harm? Is it creating confusion among other editors/visitors? Would it be simpler to keep the page with its current title? Also, what about Megatronus being called "Megatronus Prime" in ''One''? If the next ten years see more incarnations called "Megatronus Prime", is this page going to be renamed again as Megatronus Prime? That's a future-proofing issue to consider. And ''regardless'' of whether the page is moved/renamed, we should change the main page picture and rewrite the introduction, but I've already talked about that in the "Change the Mainpic?" section up above. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 01:03, 21 January 2025 (EST)
:::I think one other point to note is that "The Fallen" is not a name, it's a title. It's what others call him because his true name has been forgotten, or intentionally obscured. His name is (usually) still Megatronus, he's just only known to others as, essentially, "the one who fell."
:::Now, for the sake of some numbers: the Dreamwave and Movie versions are only known as The Fallen and never had a name at all, both having predated the name entirely. The Prime Wars and TF One versions were only ever known as Megatrous and never called The Fallen at all. The IDW 2005 and Aligned versions are primarily called Megatronus in their fiction, and while they technically became known as The Fallen thereafter, neither ever made an appearance under that name; in the latter case, when he did show up after becoming The Fallen, he ''still called himself Megatronus.''
:::The Fun Pub version seems to be a bit of an outlier; near as I can tell he only had one very brief unnamed appearance in a group shot of the Thirteen, other characters made occasional references to The Fallen, and Ask Vector Prime established that he also had a Megatronus backstory.
:::Of his various toys, the only ones to be called The Fallen are the myriad toys of the movie character, the one toy of the Dreamwave character, and the new Age of the Primes toy visually based on the Dreamwave version that splits the difference and is called Megatronus the Fallen. Literally every other figure is simply Megatronus.
:::While I can certainly see merit in some of the arguments for keeping it at The Fallen, I think it's a very different situation than Optimus Prime (who is overwhelmingly called such, with Orion Pax only occasionally being used as his old name when he was young before he became Optimus Prime), or Slag (a name that was changed due to real world reasons that I think fits in the same bucket as Shockblast, Silverstreak, or Trailcutter).
:::(I will however absolutely agree that the name "Megatronus" is silly and unimaginative, but it's hardly the only one in this franchise) -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 02:21, 21 January 2025 (EST)
::::I'm not weighing in on the discussion, but I feel prompted to add that the ''Prime Wars Trilogy'' version of the character ''was'' called the Fallen, by Megatron, in the final episode of ''Titans Return.'' - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 07:21, 21 January 2025 (EST)
:::::Ah, I've not seen Prime Wars myself, I was going by what's on this page - and that detail isn't. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 16:08, 22 January 2025 (EST)
:"Megatronus" is a stupid name. "The Fallen" was the first usage of the character and is thematically more appropriate, to the extent any of that matters. (I wouldn't have moved Tyrest to Solomnus either, for what that's worth.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 14:58, 21 January 2025 (EST)
Regardless of whether the name changes, that mainpic has got to go. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:23, 24 January 2025 (EST)

==Split Pages==
Now I'm new to this wiki so excuse me if I'm talking out of turn here but didn't the Shroud remove Multiversal singularities which in that case, shouldn't Megatronus be split into duplicate pages from the year the Shroud happened onward? Just asking -- [[User:Jasenomous_TF|Jasenomous_TF]] ([[User talk:Jasenomous_TF|talk]]) 13:34, 4 November 2024 (MDT)
:We don't split out singularities affected by the Shroud because all of their pre-Shroud appearances as singularities still exist as fiction. The Shroud didn't automatically invalidate those appearances because those pre-Shroud appearances are still canon. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:20, 4 November 2024 (EST)

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== Press release or logo for 30,000 articles? ==
Is it worth putting something together as we get very very close? Maybe something like:
* 3 from Thrilling 30 logo
* 0 from the 40th logo
* 0 from the Vector Sigma "Featured" logo
* 0 from the cosmic-streaking O in the TFTM opener
* 0 from GO!

Just a suggestion.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:45, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:If we wanted to go down that route, maybe tie into some of the contemporary material? Say, the "O"s from [[Energon Universe]] or [[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: Evolution|Evolution]]? (Though the latter isn't exactly straight-on...) --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:38, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::Sure! I lean towards the Energon Universe choice. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:48, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:Apologies, I've corrected the count on the main page as it was inaccurate, so we're not as close as it looked like we were. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:20, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::That just means we have more time to decide and, if so, pull things together. :) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:51, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:::Feels like we just leapt up 40 new articles in the last 2-3 days. Is it worth putting a graphic together? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:47, 18 January 2024 (EST)

=="Multi-pack" vs "gift set" and suchlike==
Incoming semantics, but... as I've been going through the toy entries, been trying to standardize/streamline a lot of stuff, and I think maybe a set of consistent terms/definitions for "a bunch of separate toys packed together" is in order. So lemme throw this out here for discussion/future reference...
*'''Multi-pack''' — A pack of toys where the contents (or at least most/some/any of them) are exclusive to this release, not sold in other packaging. Most multi-toy releases nowadays would fall under this umbrella by default.
*'''Gift set''' — A pack of toys where all of the contents are/were concurrently (or close enough) sold individually as well, without changes, in the same market. Like all the various G1 combiner sets.
The latter brings up the question of if we want to label all the Takara "VS" packs and the various UT-era "VALUE PACK!" sets under that umbrella, which I'm ambivalent-to-marginally-in-favor-of over. Especially as Takara's been putting out new "VS" packs where the toys are new decos not available elsewhere... also we kinda made up the "VS pack" term anyway, as memory serves, so. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:Hasbro has used the word "[[Giftset]]" to refer to unique variants not available separately. I'm inclined to think we shouldn't directly contradict that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:21, 8 January 2024 (EST)
::and damn but does that article need updating. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:22, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:::I'm inclined to think that Hasbro uses lots of terms in ways that are not exactly conducive to organizing a wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 8 January 2024 (EST)

==More bullet point insignia?==
Okay so... I recall there were some other possible faction symbol bullet points we could maybe use. I ran across a few with this batch of toy pics we might consider adding. I'll list them here, see if people can think of more. I feel like there might be a couple more two-faction matchups out there.
* Rescue Bots
* The various BotBots squads
* My First Transformers

I'm not un-convinced that we should have the bespoke insignia for stuff like the Disney Label, since they do use them on the packaging. So uh... there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:51, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:Also, while looking at the list of all the bullets on the template page... maybe we should see if we can split the list up a smidge? Like, put all the mutli-faction icons in one section, a section just for BotBots since there's gonna be quite a few of them? Alphabetizing them might also be in order. (I have exactly zero idea how those templates are coded, so uh, lemme know if that's doable.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:42, 13 January 2024 (EST)
::There's also the [[Star Wars Transformers]]... though I'm not sure if using ''Star Wars'' insignia falls too much out of this wiki's scope, although we do use at least use them on the actual characters' pages (see [[Darth Vader]]). [[User:Turborun|Turborun]] ([[User talk:Turborun|talk]]) 10:34, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:::I don't think we'd use SW insignia because, near as I can tell, the toy packaging doesn't mark the toys that way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:27, 14 January 2024 (EST)

== Idea for reducing the size of toy sections by compacting unchanged toy entries ==

I've come up with an idea that I think would make toy sections on character pages a little better and more intuitive. Instead of having a long list of entries for multiple releases of the exact same toy completely unchanged, we could just compact them all in a single entry, describing how the toy was available both individually and unchanged in a bunch of multipacks. This could be especially helpful with toy sections that are way too long, such as both the Movie Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toy pages that have been subject to a lot of discussion already.

[[User:Fritz/Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|I used the 2007 Legends Class section of the Movie Optimus Prime toy page to make a quick example out of it.]] The entries would be reduced from four to two toys, since 3/4 of them are the same toy anyway, and a lot of white space would be removed. As for the images of the multipacks, I don't think we would be losing much in removing them since the wiki has never prioritized images of packagings for anything really and, as I know is written somewhere in the "rules", the wiki isn't supposed to be used as an image hosting website in the first place.

So, any thoughts? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:18, 20 January 2024 (EST)
: We used to do this and it was actually kind of worse. There's also complications when unchanged toys end up being sold under different franchise headers, and when you add in all the other bullet point data a toy/set might have, you could end up with a lonnnnng list of bullet points before you get to the actual writeup, plus describing the multi-packs' contents... you're not really saving space while also kinda hurting the demi-chronological flow of the information. And deleting the multi-pack package imagery feels very wrong. It's one of those cases where there's no real ideal situation, but there's a least-bad one.
:That said, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure the first entry mentions these "repacks" alongside the redecoes and links to the relevant items. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)
::Good points, as usual. Now that you mentioned it, I think I do have a vague memory of this being done in the past. I was going to suggest the repacks from different toylines should remain separate, though. My mentality was that maybe we could have a way to highlight the "main" releases (original and redecoes/retools) from the "minor" ones (unchanged repacks) to make it easier to identify in a glance how many actually-different toys were released within a toyline, but I wouldn't want it to cause ''more'' confusion than ''less''. Anyway thanks for taking the time to evaluate the idea. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 05:54, 22 January 2024 (EST)

==Repurposings, continuity transplants, and using Template:Main/Template:See to improve navigability==
I've gone back to the drawing board to come up with a way to signal to readers where closely-related pages exist, as I don't think [[Help:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] pages are enough and have found [[Template:OtherVersions]] to be unideal. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Proposal re: G1 pages|Previously]], I'd suggested merging a bunch of pages for so-called "[[Continuity family|continuity]] transplants", but other users convinced me this would be a poor solution. One alternative suggestion, from [[User:Broadside]], was to use [[Template:Main]] to put key links to a character's appearances in other continuity families directly in the fiction section—[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Handling of "former GoBots" and "former Diaclone" characters on the wiki|reactions at the time]] were neutral-positive. You can see mockups for [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. This strikes me as the best of both worlds, because it keeps the consistent schema (which helps for page length and organisation) but also puts a link to the information in the place where your typical reader is expecting to find it (on the page for the highest-profile first incarnation of the character).

With the same philosophy in mind, I've also designed two new templates. The first, [[Template:Toyappeared]], is intended for use in toy write-ups as a way of linking to fiction write-ups and character pages. It covers [[repurposing]]s, "continuity transplants", notable instances of [[Show-accuracy|toy-accuracy]], in-fiction [[Reformatting|powerups]], [[Redeco#"Virtual" redecos|"virtual" redecos]], you name it. Toy write-ups are increasingly being duplicated across multiple character pages, which creates maintenance overhead, as both instances must be manually kept in sync. My suggestion is to use [[Template:See]] to link to the full information regarding a toy on the original page, with the repurposed instance giving only brief information of what the toy is and ''why'' it was repurposed or whatever. The second of my new templates has a much more specific intended use case: [[Template:Bwucharacter]] provides an easy way of explaining how/why a character was reinterpreted for their ''Uprising'' appearance, as ''Uprising'' accounts for most of the situations I view as being problematic.

I realise I'm proposing like five things at once here, so [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing|my sandbox]] has [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing#Full example|a full example]] demonstrating how it all works together, along with tons of individual examples of the templates' usage and a more thorough explanation of what I'm trying to address with them. Take a look, and let me know which aspects you like, which parts you don't like, or any ideas you have to add! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:24, 12 February 2024 (EST)
:I can vouch for these templates! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 15:38, 26 February 2024 (EST)
: I'm seeing a lot of problems with the implementation of some of this, and a lot of future headaches. The ones rolled out put what look like stub headers in a fiction section with just a small normal missable note up top; and in Override's case in specific, multiple stubs with completely redundant information. What this is ''going'' to do is get new people thinking that these are missing information that needs to be filled, then we gotta revert it and tell them no all that goes elsewhere, which is utterly unintuitive and will just lead to arguments and headaches all around.
: As for toys, in the instances of BWU-type stuff where it's a one-toy Mini-Con or whatever, I feel like NOT having the actual toy info for them on the BWU page, as with the Mini-Con Snow Cat toy currently, is not doing the reader any favors. Quite the opposite. Why are we making them jump to a different page for information that has no reason to not be right there? I don't like making readers jump through hoops needlessly, and that's all this feels like. And it's not like the toy sections of most of these are gonna see major changes, so lack of cross-updating is very, very, very unlikely to be an issue.
: I really don't think these require new templates and a bunch of new-editor landmines. At most, there's a decent argument to be made for re-positioning the "you look familiar" template that already exists, maybe below the main character writeup (above feels like a bad layout choice, pushing all kinds of stuff down.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:11, 28 February 2024 (EST)

== Listings and accessories ==

When I was making the description for cannonball based on the Walmart listing, there was mention of a Gatling gun and hammer not shown in the stock images,and left them out.

If I run into this type of situation again, what do I do?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 10:56, 7 March 2024 (EST)

== A few suggestions ==

Gallery pages should only include images that aren't easily accessed by going to the main page, to avoid cluttering. I guess this is not an issue now since the current gallery pages are fairly short.

There should be more dedication in listing alt-modes of characters. Maybe there should be a header or something. For example, if the Dreamwave version of [[Sunstorm (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Sunstorm]] transforms into an F-16 jet, it should be listed in the beginning with a header for the sake of easy access to the said information.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:59, 17 March 2024 (EDT)

== Will we get an article on The Masked Singer? ==

Will there be an article on TFWiki about The Masked Singer, specifically their recent "Transformers Night" episode (https://the-masked-singer.fandom.com/wiki/Transformers_Night)? --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 20:01, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

: Assuming it's a licensed appearance (I can't check the credits myself :C ), I can't think why it wouldn't be [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 21:15, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

:: It was indeed licensed. --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 22:30, 12 April 2024 (EDT)
:::Yes, as an official Hasbro-sanctioned piece of TF media, the episode does meet our requirements for inclusion. It just needs someone to write it up. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:22, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

== Franchise articles ==
So I was looking at the franchise pages to try and get an idea of what the standard is supposed to be for how they are written. Should all of them be updated to be more like the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)]] article? What was making me wonder this was that on the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)]] article it had a section for "Homages" and one for "New characters" which I don't think any other franchise article has. --[[User:1levichurch|1levichurch]] ([[User talk:1levichurch||talk]]) 22:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

== AI upscaled images ==
With fresh offsite talks about the matter, I put forth we add an official policy against posting AI upscaled images of any kind to the wiki, owing to their subpar performance in "enhancing" the quality of images. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:52, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
:Agreed. It's literally faking information and presenting it as official. (Also often noticeably terrible.) Sometimes the best quality available of something sucks, but we simply have to deal. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
::100 percent agreed. It's called "artificial" for a reason. Plenty of details would be lost out through the upscaling, and several times errors on the wiki somehow became official through Hastak using the wiki for references (the whole [[Circular reporting]] thing). If we start allowing AI upscaled images, then we're likely to have things lost to the annals of time. Potato quality is better than lost quality[[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 00:11, 2 May 2024 (EDT)
: Sure. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:43, 2 May 2024 (EDT)

== Ending addition of high-end statues ==
This is something I doubt other people have noticed, but I'm putting down a tent-peg on it: After having built the entries for dozens of high-end collectable TF statues in the last 2-3 years, from firms like Diamond Select, Imaginarium, Azure Sea, XM Studios, etc., and then seeing most of them either officially cancelled or never spoken of again with no reported purchases, I am going to stop adding such items here. If someone else feels like cataloguing them, great.

It really may not be possible for us to keep up with toy-like non-transforming merchandise (figurines and statues) the way we used to. There are at least two ''released'' series of G1 core cast micro-figurines with micro-comics and magnifying glasses, which would have been the rage of the fandom in 2005, that nobody ever got around to adding, and it feels like too much of a chore for me to start. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:35, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
: It's an unfortunate but very real thing that once you enter the world of licensed merch, we're ''gonna'' have big gaps. It's... a lot, on top of the "a lot" that is the regular TF toyline and fictional output today. I've said that the work involved in keeping up with all of TF's merch ought to be a full-time paying job, and I genuinely mean it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

== Transformers Roleplaying Game releases on the front page and sidebar ==

The [[Transformers Roleplaying Game]] is getting pretty frequent releases of both sourcebooks and pre-written adventures, and it occurs to me that it might be a good idea to have it on the "current releases" section of the front page and/or the navigation sidebar. How would people feel about that? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:49, 4 May 2024 (EDT)
: I think that makes a lot of sense, as long as we have people keeping up with the new releases to document them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:51, 4 May 2024 (EDT)

==How we handle weapons' toy/merch sections==
Okay, so like... I'm not really convinced that what we've been doing is the best way to handle the weapon pages' toys/merch sections. Honestly, they end up looking... really shoddy. There's just tiny scraps of info, vast wads of whitespace, few to no links, the images are tons of different sizes. <br>
I'm thinking that instead of all this... maybe this is a place where a gallery is in order, just a chronological procession. Have the captions just say what lines/toys the weapons came with and link to the toys directly on the character page. It's not like there's much to say about any of these, why not let the toy listing on the character page say it? Why make people scroll through screens of mostly-emptiness, which I feel they're increasingly unlikely to do? I may do a sandbox if I'm feeling up to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:24, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:[[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:WeaponPageToysSection]] - So... this, basically. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:39, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I'd be on board with that. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:34, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I like it. It would be far more compact than our current approach for, say, [[Fusion cannon#Toys]], while still getting the point across. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:13, 10 May 2024 (EDT)

==Proposal for Unproduced or Unreleased Template==
I don't think the Apocrypha template is particularly useful. It was created specifically for Alignment, but most of the things in it don't fit that criteria. Something like Unproduced or Unreleased Transformer media would be more self explanatory. [[User:WillR113|WillR113]] ([[User talk:WillR113|talk]]) 07:05, 11 May 2024 (EDT)

== Use of pictures from ebay, fan sites, etc ==

Is it appropriate to use pictures of toys from ebay, fan reviews, video review screenshots and the like? Under fair use and with source credit? Sometimes rarer items we don't have good pictures of on the wiki show up in these places. In particular I found a ebay seller with good images of EZ collection toys and and old Japanese review blog with images of Takara variants of HFTD/Autobot Alliance toys so that got me wondering. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (EDT)
:Images from eBay and other fan sites have been and can continue to be used, giving the fullest source credit feasible. I don't think we've ever needed to rely on video review screenshots and would always prefer to have a "normal" still image instead whenever possible. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:02, 16 May 2024 (EDT)

== ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' “再構成版” エピソード視聴ガイド "Re-Configuration Version" aka "Re-Constructed Version" Episode Viewing Guide ==

We really need to document the "canon" Japanese viewing order for ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' & ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010'' originally included with the ''Pioneer'' Laserdisc booklets & later apparently revised by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (市川裕文) for the DVD BOX SET 2 Instruction Booklet as it would help clean-up the chronology on many wiki pages here. From what I've been able to gather this particular viewing order differs from both the US/Japan production orders, the US-Airing order and the Japanese-Airing order. So what exactly is the order of the episodes of these two series according to these documents? Does anyone own them and able to list the specific order in which the episodes appear in those LD/DVD "Instruction Booklets" word-for-word? As it stands, we've only mentioned that a "narrative viewing order" exists but do not have it listed anywhere. For further clarification, it is not the order in which the episodes appear on the Japanese DVDs. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 01:09, 15 May 2024 (EDT)
:While this information would be valuable and is worth documenting, it's unlikely to result in us making any major changes to the way our information is structured. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:31, 16 May 2024 (EDT)
:Okay, having seen the booklets in question, it just lists the episodes in production order, continuity errors and all. So...absolutely no change, then. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:44, 17 May 2024 (EDT)

== Documenting MSRP? ==

Would it be worth documenting MSRP prices (in usd at least)? For the regular retail classes that's for the most part covered by the [[size class]] page, but we don't keep track of them for more specialty items like Masterpieces, multipacks, exclusives, one-off releases not in a normal size class, special lines like Missing Link, etc. It's something I find personally interesting and would've liked to know for older figures and someone in the future might want to know about today's releases. It can also offer some neat bits of info like how Premium Finish releases were generally one price point up compared to the figure's size or how the upcoming United Cliffjumper multipack is a whole $30 off what the individual figures would cost --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:20, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
:I think this would be very interesting, particularly when you scroll down pages for G1 toys that got multiple reissues like the Seekers, Insecticons, and tape players. It's just that - like the Designer Notes and the proper insignias on each and every toy - it would take forever to add and would probably wind up being one super-dedicated person having to do most of the work. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:28, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
::I might try to do what I can, going back to recatalogue everything would definitely be a chore. But at the very least I strongly believe it's something we can and should implement for future toy entries. I've started a [[User:BluJayWarrior/Sandbox|MSRP Sandbox]] to try out a few formats, any feedback is appreciated. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 05:18, 23 May 2024 (EDT)
::Cleaned up the sandbox page. Anyone have anything to say about the format? Might try applying Style 1 to a few pages this weekend if no one makes any objections. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 12:58, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Of those options I like Style 1 the best. As you already noted, the [[size class]] pages covers basically all normal U.S. retail from BW through Legacy, missing things like Platinum and MP. To find contemporary G1 prices, here are some good resources:
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20181125082555/https://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf84.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081109/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf85.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114091052/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf86.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114090836/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf87.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114084922/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf88.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081716/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf89.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114085830/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf90.html
:::https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/g1-original-retail-price-listing.1167895/
:::I tried looking for G2 MSRP but couldn't find anything as obvious. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:24, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Thanks for the sources, gonna have to sort through that later. Planning to start with new ROTB characters since they're smaller pages and prices can still be found. I've decided to add prices for retail classes for reader convenience; not everyone will know to go to the size class page for them and its not linked often enough to make it reasonable they would. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (EDT)

: I'd been working on a project like this a long time ago, had originally proposed adding this to the wiki, but then kinda stopped... mostly because near as I could tell, the MSRP in the 80s was something retailers could just make the hell up. The price ranges for any given toy were kinda all over the damn place, and the MSRP was something some retailers used to go "no really we're cheaper SEE?" then make up some price they supposedly "discounted" down from... you know, the thing that got Kay-Bee in legal-type troubles. I was increasingly unsure how to handle that wild price variance concisely on the wiki. In fact...
::https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PBE2i9vLE6fkr933GQbXosA1cxIqB3CkOSnzW0BMdwc/edit#gid=448439989
: Take a look-see. There's at least three different MSRP values for the standard Headmasters, never mind actual sticker prices. Like, I ''want'' to provide this kind of context, I really do, and it's pretty easy once we get to the unified price points of BW on... but for G1 and G2? Woof. That's going to take a bit of mulling. "Average" price maybe, but there's gonna be some Prices Georg here and there throwing shit off. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::RE: The sandbox... I'm gonna have to vote against Style 1, because, as noted, price info is very likely going to get... cluttered, and the longer that parenthetical is, the worse it is. I'd REALLY like to keep that to just "size class/type (if not obvious) and release year". And don't forget Takara-release prices, which can be more flexible even within a size class... but at least those have been ''extensively'' documented. I think we need to talk about bit more about everything we'd need to cover and ''how'' before we go implementing anything, and get a few more people in on the discussion. (Sorry for all the add-ons, lightly scattered today.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Fair enough on the old stuff since that gets convoluted, but the newer stuff is comparatively easier to do and I'd rather start sooner before some MSRP prices get harder to find (ROTB Autobots Unite subline prices seem to have disappeared already). Added the ROTB Airazor page I was gonna start with to the sandbox so you can see how the page might look as a whole. Since you object to Style 1 I added a Style 2 version too. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:38, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::: Assemble the data, sure, but I am going to say do ''not'' actually apply any of this to live articles. Again, there's barely been any time or discussion on a project that is... vast in scope, and we simply do not jump on stuff like this right away, because that means things will get not considered and then we have to re-do hundreds to thousands of pages... and we absolutely do ''not'' do it when there's a giant obvious gap (the first decade of the franchise) that still needs to be considered, as how we handle ''that'' will affect how we handle all the others, because we try and keep things consistent.
:::: Like, just off the top of my head, there's non-US-or-Japan markets to consider for just about everything normal-retail. Which makes me think we may want to look into a collapsible template, like with the toy designers and voice actors, to handle the other markets without overloading the bullet point sections, some of which are already a bit husky. There's the fact that Walmart and Target just dropped the prices on TF Deluxes in the US... but apparently, Hasbro didn't change their "MSRP"/cost at all. In fact a quick jump to Hasbro Pulse shows they're still charging $25 for a ''Legacy/Studio'' Deluxe, while I can pop to the local Target/Walmart and buy 'em at $20, so we gotta consider ranges just like with G1/G2. And again... ''I'm moderately convinced that "MSRP" in the USA was bullshit all along,'' so I don't know that it's the term we even want to use in the first place. Maybe "Retail price" would be better. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:17, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::I think just documenting the MSRP, if we know it, is enough. No need to go down the rabbit hole of tracking down what individual retailers sell them at when they disregard the MSRP (which as, after all, only a suggested price). In my opinion, at least, it's little different from listing the cover prices of books - the only difference is that Hasbro doesn't print their suggested price directly on the box.
:::::Totally hear you on waiting to the pull the trigger until it's been properly discussed, though. Also, I prefer BluJay's Style 2 as well. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:46, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::: Um, the problem is, again... I really don't think we HAVE any actual MSRPs outside of Takara's. What's been cataloged here are just "prices they were sold at", which isn't ''specifically'' a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price, the specific price suggested specifically by the manufacturer. Those we'd need a source for, and as I've pointed out, the handful of stated "MSRP"s we've seen for Hasbro stuff... well, someone was lying, likely multiple someones. For BW on we have a pretty strong ''inference'' of MSRP, but, well. And even that's not reliable... I just remembered that Walmart and Target were charging markedly different prices for the ''EarthSpark'' Tacticons, like, a $2 diff.
:::::: What I'm saying is, we might want to just not call it "MSRP" because of that (also, frankly I question how many people even recognize that acronym). And because of the wide variance in prices for older stuff, no, we don't need to list every price at every retailer (there were a billion retailers in the 80s... man, remember when actual competition in the market was a thing?), but we really OUGHT to account for the variance somehow, because it can be wide and ''full''. "''Original price''" might be best, since that's what we're actually reporting here, with something like "$2.99 - $4.99 (US) / ¥500 (Japan) <expand>". I'd rather do a range than a single-price "average" on old stuff, especially when we have so MUCH data on what these were sold at across the nation that we can see the trends and when a particularly high or low price is an outlier adn should not have been counted. "Modern" stuff we can certainly ignore, say, Kohl's's higher prices and just do the average probable-MSRP-if-those-actually-exist prices most places (all two of them) charge. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Alright, I'll make a [[User:BluJayWarrior/MSRP Catalog|separate sub page]] to catalog prices for now while that gets sorted out
::::As Dark T said, I think prioritizing initial Hasbro MSRP is best as it is the "intended" price (this is what [https://brickset.com Brickset] does for Lego). It's a point of consistency since historically different retailers tend have slight variations on the price anyway (Target/Walmart sometimes being slightly lower, Kohls/BBTS being higher, general lag on reflecting the msrp price increases a few years ago, etc) and I don't think that whole range needs to be noted. Admittedly the current Target/Walmart prices drops are pretty unusual (a whole $5?!) but unless it becomes something more widespread I personally wouldn't consider it as a data point. Might be worth making a note of somewhere if anything, though I'm not sure where --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 04:26, 25 May 2024 (EDT)

==Micronauts, etc.==
Why are we suddenly gaining detailed issue write-ups for so much of Micronauts, which contains no TF elements at all? Isn't that the point of the IDW Hasbroverse wiki? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:14, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:Oh and look, now whole issues of M.A.S.K. written 7 years ago with no TF content whatsoever are being pasted from the Hasbroverse wiki. Is the other site going offline or something? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::I don't think it was really our intention to formally unveil the project until we were further along, but some of us have been doing a fair bit of work towards creating a [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page sister wiki for ''G.I. Joe''] where the [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Comics#IDW_Publishing_3 out-of-scope IDW Joe coverage] has already been re-homed. The Joe crew hasn't made any calls about what do with non-Joe stuff to be clear (we're sort of preoccupied, there's so much Joe you guys) but I'm guessing the idea here is to align the rest with our [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive71#Energon Universe coverage|current approach]] to [[Energon Universe|Skybound's shared universe]] and sundown the IDW one? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:43, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:::That is more or less the intention, yeah. The Hasbroverse wiki was built at a time where it was perhaps anticipated to be grander than it ended up being, and it wasn't certain how long it was going to run; with the end result being "not very", having this other vestigial site for what is ultimately not a lot of content just doesn't feel practical. The exception, of course, is pre-V5 Joe, which has ''always'' been the sticking point in discussions about moving Hasbroverse content here, both for the amount and for how little it has to do with the IDW Transformers line. Having a dedicated Joe wiki solves that problem and frees up the rest of the Hasbroverse stuff to be reintegrated. Plus, there's still new Joe material being released to this day; arguably having a complete and better curated site for the franchise as a whole that continues to be updated with new releases is more likely to drive traffic and get other people to contribute than it would be linking to a dead wiki for a long-ended comic line that's had the same featured articles for five years because no one cares to add anything to it anymore. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:59, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::::It does look like a rough consensus was reached to do this back in 2021 ([[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Reintegration_of_Hasbroverse_wiki_content|Archive 69]]), it was just never implemented. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::Like half of MASK issues have something from Transformers in them. Picking and choosing which select issues to cover here is hair-splitting and obnoxious for readers. It's immensely better to just have all the information in one, easily-accessible spot and regard Hasbro Universe as a de facto spinoff of Transformers, much like Beastformers and Energon Universe are. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)

==One spoilers==
I propose that information about this movie be withheld until it actually opens in its largest market next weekend. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:04, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
: Agreed. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:08, 14 September 2024 (EDT)

==Transformers One and the conversation we've all been waiting for==

On September 12th, Lorenzo di Bonaventura [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/is-transformers-one-a-prequel-optimus-prime-origin-story-exclusive/ clarified the relationship] between ''Transformers One'' and the live-action ''Transformers'' films, describing them as "two universes" that will be "separate". For some, this kind of explicit confirmation may come as a relief after years of wishy-washy answers regarding ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but it also leaves us with questions on how to best handle ''One''-related information going forward. Around 2015, we adopted a unique layout we applied to all the movie characters, where we organized their movie appearances at the top of the page, regardless of chronological order of release (see "[[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Movies]]"). Obviously, this leads to some questions regarding how we should handle our ''One'' coverage going forward.

The way I see it, we have three options:

* '''Keep the page format as is, and keep''' '''''One''''' '''up with the rest of the movies''': For obvious reasons I think this is probably our weakest possible solution; it's pretty clear at this point that our current solution for classifying the films is not really sustainable, and mashing them all together under a single loosely-affiliated umbrella is already confusing and frustrating people who aren't intimately acquainted with the mechanics of the wiki.

* '''Reorganize movie character pages so that we acknowledge the live-action films and''' '''''One''''' '''as separate continuities within one continuity family, similar to how our G1 pages cover Sunbow, Marvel, JG1, IDW, etc.''': Historically speaking, this is probably the safest option, but from what I understand there is very little "connective tissue"—visually, character-wise, plot-beats—between the live-action films and ''One'' beyond the inertia of "they were both made by Paramount". As some people have discussed in the past, this could lead to a full or partial reformat of our movie character coverage to more clearly reflect the ambiguous "prequel" status of ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but this may be a conversation for another time.

* '''Separate''' '''''One''''' '''as an entirely new continuity family and split out the relevant information so we have pages for "Optimus Prime (One)", "Megatron (One)", etc.''' Probably the most radical proposal, but this is honestly where I'm at right now: from what I understand the movie is a pretty radical departure from everything that's gone before, with entirely new interpretations of old ''Transformers'' lore—I'd classify it as the start of a new "franchise" in the same way that we distinguish ''Earthspark'' and ''Cyberverse'' despite them both clearly drawing on the same well of post-Aligned lore, and these days "new franchise" is generally synonymous with "new continuity family" for the ease of wiki bookkeeping.

We would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter! '''As the film is not out yet in all regions please refrain from posting spoilers here'''. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 08:56, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I could see option 3 being the way we go, but what holds me back from that is that beyond just Paramount, Spielberg and Bay are still executive producers on the film. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:39, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I think we should put them on the Earthspark Continuity pages to satisfy no-one /j - but yeah, the film is drawing from the same vaguely Binder Of Revelation backstory as everything else for the last 10 years, and unless they have been hiding The Fallen twisting D-16 to evil or the twist that the Creators were the Quintessons all along, One feels pretty decoupled from the rest of the movies. The big issue I see with splitting out fully is that people wondering why we do not do the same for Bumblebee/ROTB, but that more easily passes a "vibe check" as being "Movie-adjacent" and belonging on the same page as the Bay 5-dom than One so far. Agree that trying to put them directly alongside the other movies as a prequel feels both unwieldy and confusing. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 09:41, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3''', I think creating separate pages is the way to go. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 09:54, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::I vote for '''option 2'''. To me the movie is different enough to be a separate universe but not an entirely different continuity. Josh Cooley himself on April 18 when asked whether the film is a fresh start, a prequel to the live-action films, or its own thing, replied with: "yes to all of the above" https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status. (And having seen the movie I can confirm those connections to the live-action series do exist). [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:05, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3'''. One has always felt very different to the previous live action movies so I feel it should get its own dedicated pages. As for BB and ROTB, there is "connective tissue" to the Bayverse movies so I feel they can stay on the pre-existing movie pages. [[User:PublicCrown|PublicCrown]] ([[User talk:PublicCrown|talk]]) 10:25, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having viewed the film at an advance screening, I think there are easily enough references and homages to previous films that '''option two''' makes the most sense. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 10:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I'm favorable for the '''3rd option''', it is still produced under Paramount & there are some producers attached to the project that were on previous movies, but my stance is that we should judge based on the final product & having seen the movie, it doesn't try to be in line to what came before (there are some similarities in design & names, but it stops there since every popular TF stories has influence over the next ones), helped by the new team of writers & creatives. If we can treat each new cartoon as its own entity (even tho in recent years they are streamlined in some areas), I think we can do the same for the recent movies that have more contradictory elements to the Bayverse –[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:49, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''<nowiki>#3</nowiki>''' is the cleanest option to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:32, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I think from a practical perspective, '''#3''' is the only real option. Looking at the loose guidelines for a new family on our [[continuity family]] page:
:*"a fresh continuity" — Yep, even Lorenzo's acknowledged this. Even if we questioned that, there's stuff like the AllSpark being absent (with the Matrix pretty much taking exactly the role the AllSpark would have), Megatronus being a good guy, and Sentinel's role being entirely irreconcilable with Dark of the Moon.
:*"within a separate franchise" — Yep. New franchise, and the marketing hasn't done anything to allude to the live-action films specifically.
:*"significantly different in cast, theme, style, etc." — This is the big sticking point for me. One makes no attempt to align with the visual style or characterisations of the live-action films. The sole real connective point is B-127 (name from ''Bumblebee'', he has the big cheeks and antenna of the movie guy, and his talking a lot is clearly a meta-gag about him losing his voice), but even he's characterised completely differently, as the "comedy crazy guy" who's a peer to Optimus and co instead of the cool-but-rude big brother figure from Bay/Bee/Beasts.
:I'm sympathetic to the Paramount/Bay/Spielberg/Di Bonaventura connective tissue, but my big rebuttal there is that we don't consider ''EarthSpark'' to be Aligned because Nicole Dubuc is the showrunner. Ultimately, if we hadn't had pre-release producer statements (now contradicted) calling it a prequel to the other movies, there's absolutely no way this would be in question — we'd already have it as a separate continuity family. And from a wiki organisation standpoint I don't think there's any way to, say, write up Sentinel Prime's opening paragraph in a way that adequately covers both the DOTM and One characters without genericising it to the point of uselessness. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 12:33, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::Yeah, I think '''#3''' is straightforward and likely the approach we'd take if we were presented with the film, as a story, with zero context on the studio releasing it or EPs involved or whatever. I also think there's a high likelihood that the next live-action film will have Elita appear and be like "hey Optimus remember when we were in Transformers One?" and we'll all groan and have to reconsider, but until then, I think the real-world context is basically the only thing separating One from just being the next Broadly Aligned-y New Thing like Cyberverse and EarthSpark before it, which we consistently split out for organisation reasons. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Toss me in for '''Option 3''' of an entirely new continuity given how ''different'' the story details has been laid out when compared to the original 2007 film-verse and then later what's set by ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:38, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting for '''option #2'''. While we would still have the outlier of TF:TAM 86 being a theatrically released movie in the G1 continuity family, I see no reason why "movie continuity family" would not only include transmedia spinoffs from feature films (''Reign of Starscream'', toy redeco Tech Specs, etc. etc.) but also feature films which are belonging different timelines and story universes. This would also free us from having to reconcile Movie 'Bee's history -- did he come to Earth in the 1940s or the 1980s? -- and put to bed *that* long running argument about whether the Bay-directed films were the same universe as BB and RotB or not -- now they don't have to be! [[User:Banpei the Mini-Con|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con|talk]]) 14:58, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having seen the movie, I think '''#3''' is our cleanest option. Between the Lorenzo interview and, without going into spoilers, the numerous discrepencies there are, I don't think we can get away with suiting it out ala G1. The time may come when we do that for Bumblebee onwards but as far as One goes, I say we treat it as a new continuity. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 19:53, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''#3'''. #2 was close for me, but TFOne (having seen the movie) is so artistically different from the live action movies, it feels pointless to keep it on the same page like G1/IDW. Ironically, we could give Bayverse/BB&ROTB the G1/IDW treatment. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 23:23, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:I think 3 is where I'm leaning after seeing the film. Keeping this as "movie continuity" simply because it was released theatrically doesn't make sense to me. We wouldn't do that with a new comic or show because it was the same medium, why do it for a movie just because of that? Yes There is some CNA here to the live action films, but it could be argued it has just as much pulled from G1. One is it's own thing in the end. Trying to fit it into the live action movie box just doesn't feel right in this case.--[[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 05:47, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I vote for '''Option 3''' for all the reasons previously mentioned as well as size concerns. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''Option 3''', I believe the movie was clearly made with a new continuity in mind.-[[User:TitaniumToughGuy|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy|talk]]) 09:38, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
===CHECKPOINT (2024/09/16)===
*Votes for Option 1: 1 (96megatron)
*Votes for Option 2: 3 (GrievousPrime, Archforce, Banpei the Mini-Con)
*Votes for Option 3: 15 (Locoman, AkibaSilver, MrRald, PublicCrown, MahXyme, Saix, Broadside, Jalaguy, Lonegamer, Ezim93, Boingus, ParadoxFactor, Khajidha, TitaniumToughGuy, CyberLink420)
As it stands, current consensus is pretty overwhelmingly in favor of Option 3 by a ratio of 5:1. I know it's only been a day, but barring a sudden swell of support for #2, it might be prudent to start switching everything over. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:20, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
: I'm reluctant to make actual changes until the movie hits wide release and the general public can make informed input. Give it a few more days. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 10:40, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::This. Let people... SEE the movie before we make important decisions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::Right. We can wait a few days for more than a small handful of people to see this and base their decision on, you know, '''''the actual movie''''' rather than whatever someone who had something to do with it says ''this'' week, which historically has waffled between "vague" and "contradictory". Hell, even ''now'' some of them are still being all "well maybe it is and maybe it isn't" and frankly I have no faith they won't ride that ambiguity for a long time like they've done since ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::I've said ever since Keegan Michael Key tweeted as much that One should be treated as a separate continuity. '''Option 3''' for sure. {{unsigned|jmcdavid}}
:'''Option 3'''. I've seen the movie and other users have covered why that seems like the best choice. It feels as different from the previous movies as Prime is from Animated, or Earthspark from Sunbow (which, despite directly homaging/referencing Sunbow, Earthspark is considered separate from). [[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 18:01, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::I vote '''Option 2'''. There seems to be a large focus on whether or not the film fits in continuity with the prior films, but considering how little they fit with each other that feels irrelevant to me. The creators have been rather unclear whether this film should be considered separate from the ongoing live-action series in terms of production, just in terms of universe. If we had a sense this was the springboard for an entirely separate animated film series I'd say Option 3, but it feels unwarranted at this time. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 20:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I'm voting '''Option 3'''; much of my reasons are the same as others have stated above, and I do apologise for opening this bags of worms on the ''One'' talk page. It's not that I don't understand why some people are opposed to creating a new set if pages, but for argument's sake, if ''One'' gets one or more sequels, it would likely draw further away from the established live-action films and become its own continuity/franchise (though that's more of a what-if right now). Overall, I personally think that separating live-action films and animated ones into their own continuities is a reasonable option, and I believe that ''One'' has proven itself a different entity. [[User:Prime Temple|Prime Temple]] ([[User talk:Prime Temple|talk]]) 06:26, 17 September 2024 (EDT)

::Also '''Option 3''' . In tone, content, continuity, style, story, just feels too different to me from the Michael Bay and other films, really only having the method of release in common. It feels more separate from the other movies than even Cyberverse from G1, and that’s happily separate. —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 10:05, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Screen Rant: I vote for '''Option 1''' This came out from ScreenRant today. Is Transformers One considered a prequel to the recent movies of Bumblebee and Rise of the Beast or the original live-action film starting in 2007? Or is it something completely, entirely new? ... Lorenzo di Bonaventura: "It obviously exists beforehand. I think we figured it out. It was like 300 million years before the first Michael Bay movie, so if that's a prequel, that's a prequel. But we're really following the lore about where it starts, and so we really just think about it as the beginning of the story. The origin, yes, but literally the beginning of the thing that we've all come to appreciate." https://screenrant.com/transformers-one-lorenzo-di-bonaventura-and-josh-cooley-interview/ [[User:96megatron|96megatron]] ([[User talk:96megatron|talk]]) 10:56, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
::Voting for '''Option 2'''. If adding stuff like Aligned backstory influence disqualifies One from being movie, then there could be an argument for splitting IDW characters off from the G1 pages because of things like the absence of the traditional "Ark crashes on Earth, everyone wakes up 4 million years later" backstory, and no amount of Owning The Bayverse (which I can't help but feel some of the desire to split One off is fueled by) is worth opening that can of worms. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 12:31, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting '''Option 3''', y'all gotta stop taking Lorenzo's word as gospel especially over the actual creatives behind these movies. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 14:25, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting '''Option 3''', Lorenzo has made multiple contradictory statements in the past, some having been outright proven wrong. He doesn't seem like he's involved enough in the productions in order to make concrete statements about their continuity, nor is he a representative of Hasbro. [[User:TheDarkMage10218|TheDarkMage10218]] ([[User talk:TheDarkMage10218|talk]]) 19:30, 17 September 2024 (CST)
:: While I would agree that splitting it out makes the most sense as I currently see it, lets also not pretend the wiki is under some thrall to the evil boogeyman known as "the fandoms view of Lorenzo" and ignore that multiple creatives for all the movies people like to argue are definitely not Bayverse for realsies have made contradictory statements about whether or not the films are all supposed to be prequels / sequels, and its because [https://x.com/SJ_Broadside/status/1836084548020338988 they are not ubernerds who care about whether this movie perfectly follows the backstory of one from nearly 2 decades ago]. Just personally, I am seeing this like the High Moon Games advertising themselves as a G1 prequel back in the day - for people not like us, all of Transformers falls into the same vague umbrella, so sure, it can be a "prequel" to the rest of the movies, in the same way Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime to Hasbro, no matter whether he be G1, Movie, Animated, or Armada. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 04:34, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:::Haven't seen the movie yet, but I strongly agree with that comment. This wiki has never been governed by author intent, and particularly regarding the live-action movies there are too many authors giving too much contradictory intent about contradictory material. ''We'' made up the concept of a "continuity family," that concept ''we made up'' is now old enough for a driver's license, we will have to continue making our own judgments about which stories mesh with what. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:45, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:::: All this, and as to that last point: "continuity family" ''has literally '''NEVER''' meant "all fits into one actual internal timeline"''. There's a reason we used the word "family". We treat the totally-irreconcilable-timelines-having G1 cartoon and G1 comic as part of the same "family" (and BW as well), because of an ''external'' concept of them being "related" to each other by dint of the how and who and why of their creations. And this has held true as we moved forward, the above-mentioned High Moon statements being a very good example. The sheer squirreliness of multiple creatives -and the films themselves- over the past half-decade or so over "continuity" (and let's just dismiss out of hand what a ''voice actor'' thinks, okay), doesn't exactly make me think that the future won't see more squirreliness in whatever comes next. "The existing character pages are too big already" is a more convincing argument for a full-on split, and we got subpages/suites for that problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:17, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
::::: You all make great points; I amend my reasoning for my choice of Option 3: One deviates stylistically and tonally from the live-action movies, and it isn't even live-action to begin with. [[User:TheDarkMage10218|TheDarkMage10218]] ([[User talk:TheDarkMage10218|talk]]) 22:37, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having seen the movie, I believe '''Option 3''' is the best. It is irreconcilable with the Bay films on several levels (more so than ROTB/Bumblebee). It is extremely aesthetically and tonally different from them as well. I feel that grouping One with the rest of the live-action films simply because they share the same release venue would be akin to grouping Prime and G1. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 15:22, 18 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just got out of the advanced screening, I think '''Option 3''' would be the best option. There's a few details that clash with the prior films in many regards. It has an overall different feel. --[[User:GordonShumway8690|GordonShumway8690]] ([[User talk:GordonShumway8690|talk]]) 22:10, 18 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just saw the movie, and I vote '''Option 3'''. This movie ''cannot'' be in the same continuity as the other films, so Option 3 would be our safest bet. [[User:Decepticon Stryker|Decepticon Stryker]] ([[User talk:Decepticon Stryker|talk]]) 01:06, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Another vote by a movie watcher for '''Option 3.''' Several events in the third act counter what has happened in Bay's films. For the ease of the wiki having it stay separated is the best way to prevent headaches and finger pointing by having it all on the same page. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 12:21, 19 September 2024 (EDT)
:Does my vote count when I watch it tomorrow? [[User:JasenomousTF|JasenomousTF]] ([[User talk:JasenomousTF|talk]]) 17:27, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Saw the film yesterday, only delayed a response because I didn't think I could come up with any unique arguments. But a vote is a vote, and mine is '''Option 3'''. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] ([[User talk:Bobpiecheese|talk]]) 19:32, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Count me among the other votes for '''Option 3'''. After seeing the movie, there really is no possible way to finagle it into the pre-existing Movie continuity, even in an Aligned Continuity "works-if-you-squint" manner. It's absolutely its own thing by the definitions the Wiki uses to separate continuities from one another. [[User:SlimerJoel|SlimerJoel]] ([[User talk:SlimerJoel|talk]]) 19:42, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

Just got back from seeing the movie, giving a vote for '''Option 3'''. The film is significantly different in tone, lore, designs, characterization, and story beats from bayverse. Arguably closer to aligned or idw1 [[User:Arren1234|Arren]] ([[User talk:Arren1234|talk]]) 21:31, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Having just seen the film, it is thoroughly '''Option 3'''. There isn't a single link in play between this and the live action films, not even in design or animation language. Hell, you could make a vastly stronger argument for it being a prequel to the Aligned continuity than the films. Just from an ease of use angle, I also don't think people who are coming in for Transformers One info are going to want to dig through years of irrelevant existing live action film content in the first place. [[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 02:16, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just seen the film. Definitely '''Option 3'''. I was just thinking it would be easier too for newcomers looking for info to not have to encounter a mainpic and write-up that describes a totally different person up top. [[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 09:10, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

Coming out of the movie, I was '''Option 2'''. Definitely separate from the live action films, but I think it would be convenient to have all the films (that aren’t extended episodes of a pre-existing cartoon) all under the same umbrella. I do understand the arguments that it’s really different in tone and content from the other films, but so is 2005 IDW to G1. Maybe do a suite page that includes everything One related? Like, Optimus Prime (Movie) Main/Games/Toys/One? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 20:34, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
:Suiting is only done in instances where a single subject, such as a specific piece of media or a toy section, gets ''so'' big that it starts to overwhelm the page, something that absolutely does not apply to ''One'' yet. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:39, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
::Correct me if I’m wrong, but was Shattered Glass Unicron really overwhelming the rest of the page on its own? Or RID2001 Universe Optimus Prime? I figured they were just really distinct and separate from all the ether appearances. Unless there’s something I’m not completely understanding about the suiteing rules (which I admit is entirely possible), I think that hypothetically making a One suite for all the big main characters and their toys would be convenient. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 11:12, 21 September 2024 (EDT)
:::Shattered Glass Unicron and the female, yellow 2003 Universe RID2001 Optimus Prime pages also have arguments of merging them with the larger articles they were originally spun off from. [[User:Shockwave2018|Shockwave2018]] ([[User talk:Shockwave2018|talk]]) 21:07, 23 September 2024 (GMT-3)

'''Option 3'''. After having watched the movie, it's substantially different so as to be disconnected from the live action movies, and I don't like the precedence it sets to lump every movie together from here on out, especially if this one's success inspires future free-standing Transformers movies down the line. I understand it with the live-action movies, because the line was very blurry, but it's pretty obvious that this one is separate. [[User:Thunderwolf|Thunderwolf]] ([[User talk:Thunderwolf|talk]]) 21:10, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

'''Option 3'''. I just got back from watching the movie, and it's the option that makes the most sense. There's just too much to connect it to the previous films, and while I do see where Option 2 is coming from I don't even think there's enough in common for it to be in the same continuity family (and I don't think its a good idea to throw every single movie that we're unsure about into the the 2007 family imo). Also taking into account the contradictory statements regarding the movie from producers and higher-ups, I think the simplest and most user-friendly option is to put everything into one new continuity family. If something changes so be it, but based on what we have 3 is the best choice. [[User:Hyperious|Hyperious]] ([[User talk:Hyperious|talk]]) 18:19, 21 September 2024 (EDT)

:Might as well throw my vote for '''Option 3''' in too. Even if we keep having this conversation over every new movie they release, it's already very clear that the best ''for wiki purposes'' is to split One from the rest. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:23, 21 September 2024 (EDT)
I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't quite feel right casting a vote here, but I do have one question: to those in favor of option 2, what do you feel makes Transformers One in the same family as the live-action movies, that didn't make Earthspark in the same family as Cyberverse? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:39, 24 September 2024 (EDT)
: The fact that Cyberverse and Earthspark are sold as entirely separate franchises, whereas this is just the new movie. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 07:19, 24 September 2024 (EDT)
::''All'' of the Paramount TF movies have had their own separate franchises. Heck, even the 2010 Movieverse toyline between ROTF and DOTM was its own franchise and it didn't even have a movie. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:51, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

We've clearly long since moved forward with this but just for posterity now that I've finally made it out to the theater, '''Option 3''' does indeed strike me as the right call. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:24, 29 September 2024 (EDT)
:I second what Azimuth said, now. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:29, 2 October 2024 (EDT)

== Privacy Policy ==

It occurred to me recently that the Privacy Policy has not been adopted though it has been over fifteen years since it was originally written. I wrote a couple of things in its talk page but ultimately got no response. I then contacted abates on what to do next, he told me I could write up a new intro in the talk page. I did, and it hasn't had a response. The policy is linked to at the bottom of every page on the wiki, so if we could get some activity on its talk page, I'd appreciate it. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 20:41, 6 November 2024 (EST)

==The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for==

Over the last few years, the Thirteen have played a major role in multiple ''Transformers'' stories. However, this prominence—combined with Hasbro's increasingly loose approach their in-universe lore—has also led to increasingly divergent portrayals of the group and its individual members.

Around 2015, we took the step of consolidating all the different incarnations of the Thirteen on one page for each, with the rationale that the characters were former [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], and mostly shared similar backstories and personalities between incarnations. However, even at the time, this was not a completely ideal comporomise. Most notably, the various [[Alpha Trion (disambiguation)|Alpha Trion]]s were not consolidated into one, partly due to length and partly because the existence of his [[Alpha Trion (SG)|murderously insane evil counterpart]] represented a massive contradiction to the entire notion.

However, over the years, multiple authors have drastically reinterpreted the Thirteen and their story. The role of "Thirteenth Prime" has been filled by multiple contradictory characters—[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]—and individual depictions of the Primes themselves have grown increasingly divergent. "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion is no longer the outlier, but rather an increasing trend: for instance, ''Transformers One'' features a completely heroic Megatronus who never becomes The Fallen, a Liege Maximo that looks nothing like Loki, and an incarnation of Nexus Prime that does not seem to be a combiner. With these data points in mind—and the potential for even further divergence in the coming years—I and several other editors feel that it may be time to reorganize our Thirteen coverage, splitting them out into individual [[continuity family]]-based incarnations the way we would for stock characters like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]], etc.

However, if we do adopt this approach, some further problems would need to be solved.

* '''How do we handle toys?''' With a few exceptions like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Fallen, the toys of the Thirteen are clearly meant to be somewhat continuity-agnostic. ''Age of the Primes'' Solus Prime is about as faithful to her depiction in ''The Covenant of Primus'' as it is to ''One'' or any of the IDW comics in which she appears. Even if we count them as "repurposes" across multiple pages, the format of the wiki means they'd have to be based ''somewhere''...

* '''FunPub stuff''': The Vector Prime of "Ask Vector Prime" is clearly meant to be a version of the same Vector Prime who appeared in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, but at the same time makes reference to off-camera events, such as a time when he and the Thirteen lived in Ancient Greece—would we make a separate "FunPub" page for the Thirteen, or try and work these events onto Unicron Trilogy pages when necessary? Other similar problems exist: "[[Coalescence]]" is a story that features a movie universe Fallen jumping into the world of ''Shattered Glass'', and AVP established that "The Evil One" of GoBots fame, is another alternate-universe incarnation of The Fallen/Megatronus.

Feedback on this proposal is appreciated! [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:50, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:From my point of view, I think as it stands right now my thoughts on the Thirteenth Prime stuff is that I absolutely understand the concerns, but for me personally it kind of falls into the same view as like, IDW Primus being Rung, which I think our current model handles fairly well. For the other Primes, I'm tempted to say that like...as it stands, there's about as much divergence there as like, Unicron as he's depicted in The Last Knight (not really shown to be aggressive beyond being called Cybertron's enemy), and as it stands right now, I don't think that's enough to say there should be a full-on split, but I do think it's worth thinking about future-proofing. And I suppose my main concern right now about pushing ahead too soon is in the event there's some fiction accompanying the Age of the Primes stuff; certainly, the fact that we're getting a toy of the Fallen with the Megatronus name but with the original Dreamwave design does make me hesitant that there might be some further consolidation of disparate elements; and I remember that last time we did this in the early 2010s was that we figured the idea of the Aligned Primes not having any connections to the others was going to be the standard going forward, which turned out not to be the case, and I figure it might be worth considering if something like that happens again. But! I am open to ideas of how to implement this if we do go for it; I think the suite options we have for Primus and Unicron work perfectly fine if we go for something like that. Just figure it's worth considering the stuff I've brought up here first. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Right now, I'm leaning toward the camp of not splitting them out for all the reasons you've given. I look at our current situation and, while not perfect, I feel that things can be tidied up simply with some "Conceptual history" sections for the pages that need them. The aforementioned Vector Prime is a particular case not just for everything stated about him above, but because [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|his very first Fub Pub appearance]] written by [[Forest Lee]] leans so heavily far into the multiversal aspect of the character that it doesn't treat him like he is a native to the Cybertron cartoon universe but rather to the whole multiverse itself. Similarly, Nexus Prime was also continuity-agnostic by his very nature from the ground up. The safest solution for splitting him out would be to classify his Fun Pub incarnation under "(Timelines)" (the previous "(Classics)" tag we had him under was bleh), but that's typically a last-resort tag we have tried to avoid in the past.
::Regarding The Fallen, while he does tend to be evil in a majority of his depictions, and has had a few outlier cases where he either didn't go bad at all (TF One) or was the victim of other's manipulations (Covenant), it's implied that the majority of those evil versions weren't always evil from the start, and only went bad later. The TF One version of Megatronus never turned to the dark side, but one could argue that he was murdered before he ever would have gotten the chance to. ;-)
::Regarding the Thirteenth Prime and various conflicting the depictions, we solved that issue by simply creating the "[[Thirteenth Prime]]" article to explain everything there.
::You mention the situation with Alpha Trion, and I get it. The biggest reasons for simply not merging all of his pages together were that A) he was never originally meant to be one of the Thirteen since the original Dreamwave-based lore for the Thirteen had them all die before A3 was even born, and B) his Shattered Glass self. I used to be a proponent for keeping all of his versions separate because of A, but in the time since then we've had more and more depictions of him as a 13er who were all still pretty much the same as his traditional pre-Aligned depictions. If we were to merge all of his versions together, a "Conceptual history" section for him could explain the whole "Sometimes he's a 13er, sometimes he's not" situation.
::BUT, there still remains his SG version, which I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on the same page as his other versions. Reaching back to the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3F original discussion] about how to handle the SG characters, I find myself still agreeing with those like Steve-o who pointed out how awkward "'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe." reads as a page. But, there is one thing we have nowadays that we did not have back when that original discussion was held and makes me wonder how differently the conversation might have gone if they had existed back then: Subpages. Looking at our [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] articles, I find it to be a very fair and workable compromise that their respective SG versions are placed not on their respective main pages but as subpages for each. Doing the same for SG Alpha Trion were we to merge all of the non-SG A3's together could be a valid solution too, in my eyes. Unlike others, I don't see subpages as an annoying evil that much be dealt with and eliminated, but as a handy tool to work around tricky situations like this.
::Had they even existed back then, it's very possible that ALL SG characters may have ended up on subpages for their positive polarity counterparts instead of separate pages entirely. And since then, SG has grown to expand not just beyond the original Fun Pub SG G1 continuity but to other non-G1 SG continuities, like for the Movies, Animated, and Cybertron, forcing us to create such unsightly tags as "(SG Movie)", "(SG Animated)", and "(SG Cybertron)", when subpages could have prevented that with "(Movie)/Shattered Glass" or "(Animated)/Shattered Glass" and so on.
::But, I'm getting off topic. Backing up to the Thirteen, I'm for keeping the Thirteen together. In addition to what all I've said above, the Age of the Primes toys seem to be treating them as the standard or definitive versions of the Thirteen that apply for every version/universe/continuity, pulling from all across the board rather than sticking to a single depicted version of them. Prima has his Aligned body but the Sunbow Powerful Robot's head. The Fallen is just the Dreamwave design but with Aligned Megatronus's weapons from the books and RID 2015 cartoon. Micronus is likely to be based on his RID 2015 design which was itself based on the Aligned design. The statue group artwork makes Amalgamous looks more like his TF One design than his Aligned design. Vector Prime is just straight-up Cybertron Vector Prime. And Star Convoy was never one of the Thirteen in any version before now. Yet, all these disparately-sourced designs are being treated as if they all belong to the same group no matter what continuity they come from. So keeping them together as they are would just make it easier for us to not have to split hairs over which versions of which 13ers these are supposed to be when the answer would simply be "all of the above" (and we wouldn't have to put multiple entries of the same toy on, like, six or seven different characters' pages that would have to maintained equally across all of those pages). This model makes this particular version of the group feel inherently multiversal, with each member either originating from a different universe as each other, or being a multiversal hybrids comprised of different aspects of different versions of them from across the dimensions, as if Hasbro is trying to say that the AOTP versions represent *every* version of the Thirteen (minus Star Optimus, of course, since we know he's not a member in every version of this group). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::As somebody who's pushed for this split for a long time, I'm obviously all for it. I feel we can easily determine where the toys go based on their main inspirations (Fallen is G1 Dreamwave, Micronus is Aligned RID, etc) are or just make the links go to the G1 pages (since G1 is effectively the wastebasket taxon of this franchise anyway). For the FunPub stuff, we can either do it Sideways style or just do it like we do for Kre-O and ancillary stuff: place them based on the characterization/design used by the work. Multiversal Vector Prime is pretty much just Cybertron Vector Prime (and the TransTech incarnation from the last portion of AVP can be split out).
:::I am pretty much opposed to "subpages" because that is just duplicating the parentheses system we already have just for the sake of pedantry. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::Fully agree with both Escargon and Sabrblade, and their reasoning. I am biased against splits pretty much as a matter of cause, but the Thirteen ''in particular'' have for most of their history (including now, in the continuity-agnostic ''Age of the Primes!)'' been defined by their multiversal nature. I just don't think a split would be helpful. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::So we need to wait five years of more non-multiversal stories to have this discussion again? That doesn't make sense. The COP version of the Thirteen weren't characterized as singularities in the first place, regardless; only FunPub cared about that aspect (and not even with the usual lineup we have now) and they tossed it because they realized it was an unworkable concept in this franchise and it's unlikely to ever get resurrected. It's been nearly a decade since the Shroud (the concept only existed from 2009-2015). You bring up AOTP but toylines clearly don't and never thought about those characters in terms of our organizational schema. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I think we can probably leave the most of the old content together, since it might be a mess to split them apart and much of that content is based on the Covenant mythos anyway. I feel new iterations of the Thirteen (post-POTP?) should get their own pages, like ''Earthspark'' Quintus and the ''One'' Primes (particularly Megatronus since he's quite different). Though I suppose that begs the question of what to use in the parentheses for their current pages... —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::How much of it is actually sticking to the Covenant? IDW1 had them be regular guys and some pre-Covenant stuff (notably Megatronus/Fallen) is more prominent for the character and not really compatible. Other Aligned stuff has also influenced other "continuity families", but we're not merging those articles, so I don't really see why this is different regarding the Thirteen. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I’m against splitting pages, mostly because The Thirteen haven’t had enough drastic and unique depictions of them to stop “breaking the rules” for them and give them split pages.
::> The Thirteen haven’t followed the traditional convention of “every character gets a new page for that universe’s depiction”, mostly because of the whole multiversal singularity issue. Now while that concept isn’t used in fiction anymore, ''Age of the Primes'' seems to lean towards having a standard, continuity-agnostic depiction of the Thirteen from which future teams can use as the foundation of their depictions.
::> Escargon and Sabrblade make some good points regarding subpages, particularly with the example of the standard '''“Primus = God”''' and '''Rung (G1)''' incarnations. Rung is a distinct and unique take on the Primus character whose backstory is incompatible with virtually every other Primus incarnation, so placing him on the same page as the Primus of the Marvel Comics, or Cybertron, or the Aligned continuity, wouldn’t seem right.
::> ''The Covenant of Primus'' has been the foundation of every depiction of the Thirteen since it was released. Certain things might be modified, such as the 2005 IDW’s take on them, but even those Primes still follow certain story beats: Megatronus kills Solus, Liege Maximo is a manipulator, Prima’s role as the leader and his conflict with Megatronus, etc. ''One'' offers a depiction of the Thirteen who don’t enter a War of the Primes situation, but because we don’t really get any more information about them besides how they died, I wouldn’t say that they’re distinct enough or important enough to warrant their own pages.
::> Then there’s the fact that a lot of the Primes either have had very small roles or haven’t had any real importance to the franchise in several years: '''Micronus'''’s last big role was a few episodes in ''Robots in Disguise'' and a clever tie-in to the Microspace of the 2005 IDW universe. '''Onyx'''’s only big role was in the ''Covenant'', mostly thanks to '''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|this guy]]''' taking his place in another universe. Onyx has a few mentions in ''Cyberverse'', but I don’t think that alone should be the reason for splitting his page up. '''Nexus Prime''' and '''Vector Prime''' haven’t really done anything notable since the Shroud. '''Solus Prime''' has seen some prominence thanks to IDW's Caminus and ''Power of the Primes'', but those depictions again don’t stray too far from the ''Covenant''. '''Amalgamous Prime''' has had virtually no exploration as a character. The most we’ve gotten for him is a much easier-to-look-at design in ''One''.
::> Character-wise, story-wise… they’re all still heavily based on the ''Covenant''. Even '''Quintus Prime'''’s ''Earthspark'' depiction (with his more human-looking face) is based on his “Johnny Appleseed, made the Quintessons” lore established from the ''Covenant''. Now if we had a full group of the Thirteen from a Shattered Glass universe or had some “What-If?” incarnations of the characters that made them very different… splitting pages would make more sense to me.
::> A lot of the Thirteen have also maintained a consistent visual look to them since their introduction: all the Primes introduced in the Covenant have kept their look (Alchemist’s Lenses, Onyx’s face, Solus’ hair and color scheme), and every version of Megatronus seems to have a Decepticon insignia face, flames, and/or both. While ''One'' may have changed some color schemes (Liege Maximo missing his green), I don’t think just having a different color scheme and nothing else different warrants a new page.
::> I like the idea of conceptual history sections for now, and as I said on ''The Fallen''’s talk page, I think the beginning to his page needs a general rewrite from its “frozen in 2009” version. But until drastic new interpretations of those characters are created, if a member of the Thirteen has a single page… we should keep it as a single page --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Splitting them would simply be a bigger headache. They're rather like Primus and Unicron where they're "bigger picture" characters (only this time around designed ''very specifically'' to '''''be''''' as such) and it's best to treat them as such, and really, there's not enough material to BOTHER splitting for most of them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Since it's related to this subject, it should probably also be mentioned here that there have recently been two discussions happening on the talk page for [[The Fallen]]. One about changing that article's mainpic and the other about moving the page's name to Megatronus. As of now, nothing has come out of either discussion, but I feel the results of this a bigger discussion may have an effect on either of those two smaller ones. Speaking as one who is in favor of not splitting out the Thirteen, my thoughts on these two smaller topics are that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses still become The Fallen, but replace the mainpic with The Fallen's Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with a rewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm going to second this. I've mulled it over a little bit and while there is an argument to be made for splitting them out, I feel that 12 of the 13 primes really don't warrant it. They just haven't had as much an impact on the story and while it could be future proofing to split them, until we get prominent appearances from them I don't think it's a viable option right now. Megatronus is clearly the exception to this rule. I don't know if there's a clean solution to dealing with him at the moment. Part of me thinks maybe we should suite out the Movie and RiD versions since those are his too big appearences to date. At the bare minimum though I think we should use either his Dreamwave or Age of Primes art as the mainpic. It's his first body and I think it's influenced more designs than his RoTF design has. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 22:57, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::Erm, no. Neither his Movie or RiD sections (certainly not the latter) are big enough to warrant subpages for either. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:57, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm also of the opinion that a split would be a massive hassle for very little gain, but I do feel we should move The Fallen to Megatronus. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:54, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::To me, renaming the page to Megatronus feels like renaming an Optimus Prime page to Orion Pax. The name was created to tell us what he was called ''before'' he became The Fallen, like how Orion Pax was what Optimus was called before he became Optimus Prime. TF One Megatronus never became The Fallen but he's an anomaly, not a new standard. As of now, the only impact TF One Megatronus has had on the brand is the official reveal video for Age of the Primes describing the very Dreamwave/Aligned-based AOTP version as "the most powerful Prime," while also putting a grim, pronounced emphasis on "The Fallen" when referring to him as "Megatronus... The Fallen". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:16, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::: '''Yes''' to changing The Fallen's mainpic back to the DW-style character design, huge-ass '''No''' to changing the page name; the Optimus/Orion comparison is spot-on. (And as to below... yes. The Thirteen are absolutely "set dressing that walks like a man" and best to approach them as such.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:11, 8 December 2024 (EST)

:After meditating upon this a while I think I've come to agree with the broad majority above that splitting each member of the Thirteen would hurt more than it would help. The way I see it what we should be striving for here is the approach that involves the least "hallucinating data" within our organizational system, and splitting will require making a lot of different calls on what "counts" to formulate micro-characterizations for dozens of serial continuity transplants, none of which do much individually, while obfuscating the larger context they are gesturing towards. Fundamentally what we may be running up against here is that the closest most of these guys have to a true "home continuity" as we typically think of it is... the brand bible. They are set dressing that walks like a man.

:To go one step further, if we want to talk future-proofing I would advocate formalizing the approach of treating them as a squad of mini-Unicrons/Primuses such that:

::1) My suggestion for the issues currently plaguing the Fallen (and to a lesser degree Trion) would be to make "Conceptual History" sections more or less standard issue across the board for the Thirteen, laying out swerves in characterization and appearance as they happened rather than trying to pry them apart ''or'' smoosh them together.

::2) I think it's worth revisiting merging Alpha Trion for consistency. In the decade+ since Prime cludged him into the lineup, Alpha Trion has consistently appeared as a member of the Thirteen, an insubstantial cameo, or both in pretty much every continuity he's appeared, and looking backwards I cannot help but notice that the fact that there's next to no meaningful daylight between his depictions has been the running gag of his [[Alpha Trion (disambiguation)|disambiguation page]] since day one. If Shattered Glass remains a sticking point the Unicron/Primus style suite split approach is a reasonable compromise.

:I wouldn't say I'm married to any of this and counter-counter-proposals are welcome, but that's my two cents. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:I think just put a line at the end of the fallens intro article that says "while mostly a bad guy, there exists at least one universe (link to TF one section) where he's managed to defy all logic and be...good for once).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (EST)

I'm for splitting the Thirteen, for the same reasons Saix gave. If that doesn't work, I think the versions of Alpha Trion should be merged. It's the inconsistency that drives me batty. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 22:12, 8 December 2024 (EST)

===Checkpoint? (01/18/2025)===
This topic seems to have gotten as much interaction as it's going to get, so to take stock before it falls off the agenda completely:

:*'''Votes for splitting the Thirteen across the board:''' 4 (Locoman, Saix, BlueJayWarrior, Boingus)
:*'''Votes against:''' 8 (Escargon, Sabrblade, Wadapan, Daytonjhammon, M Sipher, Exim93, Dark T Zeratul, AzimuthAcolyte)

That seems like a pretty resounding 2:1 "no," but the discussion also generated some possible compromises/suggestions for future-proofing:

:*'''Votes for more widespread use of "Conceptual History" sections:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Daytonjhammon, AzimuthAcolyte)
:*'''Votes to merge Alpha Trion (with potential SG suite) for consistency:''' 3 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus)

Lastly it generated some cross-bleed from the debates on [[Talk:The Fallen|The Fallen's talk page]] about some updates now that we're 16 years out from his [[live-action film series]] star turn:

1) Moving the page to "Megatronus":
:*'''For:''' 1 (Dark T Zeratul)
:*'''Against:''' 2 (Sabrblade, M Sipher)

2) Swapping back to a Dreamwave-style mainpic:
:*'''For:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Ezim93, M Sipher)

If anyone wants to try to resuscitate the mega-split speak now. If not, thoughts on the compromise proposals?

The Fallen discussion should probably return to his own page. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:My stances remain unchanged on all of the above. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:55, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'd be fine with splitting, but if we don't, we ''absolutely'' need to merge the Alpha Trions. There's no good justification for the others being together and him being split.
::As for the Fallen... I feel the need to point out that it's not ''just'' One Megatronus that didn't use the name. EVERY toyline and piece of media in the last decade — RID15, the Prime Wars cartoons, the POTP toy, the offhand mentions in Cyberverse — have used "Megatronus", completely dropping the idea that he stopped being Megatronus and became the Fallen. It's evidently how Hasbro thinks of the character; the Studio Series toy provides plenty of evidence that they ''could'' have just called the AOTP toy "The Fallen" if they'd wanted to. -[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:51, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I am also pro-merging Alpha Trions with a SG subpage along the lines of what we do for Primus and Unicron. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:11, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I'm pro merging Alpha Trion as well and adding conceptual history. Fallen/Megatronus discussion I'm good with taking back to his page. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 16:20, 18 January 2025 (EST)

== Maybe we should consider our stance on leaks... ==

I know they suck, but considering how they happen and most the fandom tends to lap it up (at least on TFW and seibertron),us just kind of vehemently refusing to admit they happen feels a bit wrong now. Maybe we should retroactively start acknowledging when the figures got leaked when they're officially confirmed, instead of just pretending they don't exist, for completionists sake. --[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:41, 7 December 2024 (EST)

:Sometimes Hasbro affiliate wiki. No. --[[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 20:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Absogoddamnlutely not. This site does not exist to give leakers clout. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:46, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: That's a legal area best not crossed, so it's a bad idea. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 23:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:: Understood.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:53, 7 December 2024 (EST)

== International Sightings ==

So, as of late, mentions of "toy appeared in (non-US country) without prior announcement" type lines have been getting purged from the wiki. This makes me wonder: am I allowed to even mention them anymore when a new toy appears somewhere? I'm not really sure why these relatively harmless information lines are getting removed, nor am I really a fan of it, but if I can't mention them anymore I will happily oblige.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:04, 7 January 2025 (EST)
:They're being removed because "toy first showed up at a random store in Asia" is not useful information. That's how toy retail has worked for decades. Hasbro deigning to announce some product doesn't make it the standard. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:57, 7 January 2025 (EST)
::Oh, ok, I'll keep that in mind from now on.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:11, 7 January 2025 (EST)

==First revealed at (some regular online update)==
On a similar note to the international sightings, what do people think of "toy was first revealed in Hasbro Instagram post / Fans First Friday / Pulse livestream of whatever date," etc.? We note this constantly, because it's another fact to include about a just-announced toy nobody owns yet. A year later it looks unimportant. Is this something we like and value, or more of a space-filing habit? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:34, 8 January 2025 (EST)
:I think it's a lot of blather, but at least it's documenting Hasbro marketing as opposed to random retail appearances. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:25, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: I'm lukewarm at best on 'em. But often these announcements are followed up almost immediately by pre-orders opening up through official channels, and that feels a bit more... noteworthy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 12:31, 8 January 2025 (EST)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2024-12-08T03:57:40Z

Ezim93: /* The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for */

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This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. For less wide-reaching subjects, either use articles' individual talk pages or [https://discord.com/invite/N99Bygq our Discord server.]

Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

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<div class="list-header">'''Moving From Wikia:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving|Arriving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving|Leaving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|Complaints]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''New Ad Policy:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads|Ads]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Bookworm Database-Crash:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central|Damage Control Central]]
* [[Project:Bookworm Crash]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving2|Leaving Take 2]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Server Move:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2|Arriving Take 2]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Relicensing:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''GoBots Sister Wiki:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
<br/> <div class="list-header">'''Wiki Technical Information:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Tech|A Not So Brief Summary of the Horrible Things That McFly and Co. Have Done To Keep This Wiki From Melting Down]]
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== Press release or logo for 30,000 articles? ==
Is it worth putting something together as we get very very close? Maybe something like:
* 3 from Thrilling 30 logo
* 0 from the 40th logo
* 0 from the Vector Sigma "Featured" logo
* 0 from the cosmic-streaking O in the TFTM opener
* 0 from GO!

Just a suggestion.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:45, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:If we wanted to go down that route, maybe tie into some of the contemporary material? Say, the "O"s from [[Energon Universe]] or [[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: Evolution|Evolution]]? (Though the latter isn't exactly straight-on...) --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:38, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::Sure! I lean towards the Energon Universe choice. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:48, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:Apologies, I've corrected the count on the main page as it was inaccurate, so we're not as close as it looked like we were. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:20, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::That just means we have more time to decide and, if so, pull things together. :) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:51, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:::Feels like we just leapt up 40 new articles in the last 2-3 days. Is it worth putting a graphic together? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:47, 18 January 2024 (EST)

=="Multi-pack" vs "gift set" and suchlike==
Incoming semantics, but... as I've been going through the toy entries, been trying to standardize/streamline a lot of stuff, and I think maybe a set of consistent terms/definitions for "a bunch of separate toys packed together" is in order. So lemme throw this out here for discussion/future reference...
*'''Multi-pack''' — A pack of toys where the contents (or at least most/some/any of them) are exclusive to this release, not sold in other packaging. Most multi-toy releases nowadays would fall under this umbrella by default.
*'''Gift set''' — A pack of toys where all of the contents are/were concurrently (or close enough) sold individually as well, without changes, in the same market. Like all the various G1 combiner sets.
The latter brings up the question of if we want to label all the Takara "VS" packs and the various UT-era "VALUE PACK!" sets under that umbrella, which I'm ambivalent-to-marginally-in-favor-of over. Especially as Takara's been putting out new "VS" packs where the toys are new decos not available elsewhere... also we kinda made up the "VS pack" term anyway, as memory serves, so. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:Hasbro has used the word "[[Giftset]]" to refer to unique variants not available separately. I'm inclined to think we shouldn't directly contradict that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:21, 8 January 2024 (EST)
::and damn but does that article need updating. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:22, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:::I'm inclined to think that Hasbro uses lots of terms in ways that are not exactly conducive to organizing a wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 8 January 2024 (EST)

==More bullet point insignia?==
Okay so... I recall there were some other possible faction symbol bullet points we could maybe use. I ran across a few with this batch of toy pics we might consider adding. I'll list them here, see if people can think of more. I feel like there might be a couple more two-faction matchups out there.
* Rescue Bots
* The various BotBots squads
* My First Transformers

I'm not un-convinced that we should have the bespoke insignia for stuff like the Disney Label, since they do use them on the packaging. So uh... there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:51, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:Also, while looking at the list of all the bullets on the template page... maybe we should see if we can split the list up a smidge? Like, put all the mutli-faction icons in one section, a section just for BotBots since there's gonna be quite a few of them? Alphabetizing them might also be in order. (I have exactly zero idea how those templates are coded, so uh, lemme know if that's doable.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:42, 13 January 2024 (EST)
::There's also the [[Star Wars Transformers]]... though I'm not sure if using ''Star Wars'' insignia falls too much out of this wiki's scope, although we do use at least use them on the actual characters' pages (see [[Darth Vader]]). [[User:Turborun|Turborun]] ([[User talk:Turborun|talk]]) 10:34, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:::I don't think we'd use SW insignia because, near as I can tell, the toy packaging doesn't mark the toys that way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:27, 14 January 2024 (EST)

== Idea for reducing the size of toy sections by compacting unchanged toy entries ==

I've come up with an idea that I think would make toy sections on character pages a little better and more intuitive. Instead of having a long list of entries for multiple releases of the exact same toy completely unchanged, we could just compact them all in a single entry, describing how the toy was available both individually and unchanged in a bunch of multipacks. This could be especially helpful with toy sections that are way too long, such as both the Movie Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toy pages that have been subject to a lot of discussion already.

[[User:Fritz/Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|I used the 2007 Legends Class section of the Movie Optimus Prime toy page to make a quick example out of it.]] The entries would be reduced from four to two toys, since 3/4 of them are the same toy anyway, and a lot of white space would be removed. As for the images of the multipacks, I don't think we would be losing much in removing them since the wiki has never prioritized images of packagings for anything really and, as I know is written somewhere in the "rules", the wiki isn't supposed to be used as an image hosting website in the first place.

So, any thoughts? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:18, 20 January 2024 (EST)
: We used to do this and it was actually kind of worse. There's also complications when unchanged toys end up being sold under different franchise headers, and when you add in all the other bullet point data a toy/set might have, you could end up with a lonnnnng list of bullet points before you get to the actual writeup, plus describing the multi-packs' contents... you're not really saving space while also kinda hurting the demi-chronological flow of the information. And deleting the multi-pack package imagery feels very wrong. It's one of those cases where there's no real ideal situation, but there's a least-bad one.
:That said, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure the first entry mentions these "repacks" alongside the redecoes and links to the relevant items. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)
::Good points, as usual. Now that you mentioned it, I think I do have a vague memory of this being done in the past. I was going to suggest the repacks from different toylines should remain separate, though. My mentality was that maybe we could have a way to highlight the "main" releases (original and redecoes/retools) from the "minor" ones (unchanged repacks) to make it easier to identify in a glance how many actually-different toys were released within a toyline, but I wouldn't want it to cause ''more'' confusion than ''less''. Anyway thanks for taking the time to evaluate the idea. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 05:54, 22 January 2024 (EST)

==Repurposings, continuity transplants, and using Template:Main/Template:See to improve navigability==
I've gone back to the drawing board to come up with a way to signal to readers where closely-related pages exist, as I don't think [[Help:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] pages are enough and have found [[Template:OtherVersions]] to be unideal. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Proposal re: G1 pages|Previously]], I'd suggested merging a bunch of pages for so-called "[[Continuity family|continuity]] transplants", but other users convinced me this would be a poor solution. One alternative suggestion, from [[User:Broadside]], was to use [[Template:Main]] to put key links to a character's appearances in other continuity families directly in the fiction section—[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Handling of "former GoBots" and "former Diaclone" characters on the wiki|reactions at the time]] were neutral-positive. You can see mockups for [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. This strikes me as the best of both worlds, because it keeps the consistent schema (which helps for page length and organisation) but also puts a link to the information in the place where your typical reader is expecting to find it (on the page for the highest-profile first incarnation of the character).

With the same philosophy in mind, I've also designed two new templates. The first, [[Template:Toyappeared]], is intended for use in toy write-ups as a way of linking to fiction write-ups and character pages. It covers [[repurposing]]s, "continuity transplants", notable instances of [[Show-accuracy|toy-accuracy]], in-fiction [[Reformatting|powerups]], [[Redeco#"Virtual" redecos|"virtual" redecos]], you name it. Toy write-ups are increasingly being duplicated across multiple character pages, which creates maintenance overhead, as both instances must be manually kept in sync. My suggestion is to use [[Template:See]] to link to the full information regarding a toy on the original page, with the repurposed instance giving only brief information of what the toy is and ''why'' it was repurposed or whatever. The second of my new templates has a much more specific intended use case: [[Template:Bwucharacter]] provides an easy way of explaining how/why a character was reinterpreted for their ''Uprising'' appearance, as ''Uprising'' accounts for most of the situations I view as being problematic.

I realise I'm proposing like five things at once here, so [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing|my sandbox]] has [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing#Full example|a full example]] demonstrating how it all works together, along with tons of individual examples of the templates' usage and a more thorough explanation of what I'm trying to address with them. Take a look, and let me know which aspects you like, which parts you don't like, or any ideas you have to add! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:24, 12 February 2024 (EST)
:I can vouch for these templates! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 15:38, 26 February 2024 (EST)
: I'm seeing a lot of problems with the implementation of some of this, and a lot of future headaches. The ones rolled out put what look like stub headers in a fiction section with just a small normal missable note up top; and in Override's case in specific, multiple stubs with completely redundant information. What this is ''going'' to do is get new people thinking that these are missing information that needs to be filled, then we gotta revert it and tell them no all that goes elsewhere, which is utterly unintuitive and will just lead to arguments and headaches all around.
: As for toys, in the instances of BWU-type stuff where it's a one-toy Mini-Con or whatever, I feel like NOT having the actual toy info for them on the BWU page, as with the Mini-Con Snow Cat toy currently, is not doing the reader any favors. Quite the opposite. Why are we making them jump to a different page for information that has no reason to not be right there? I don't like making readers jump through hoops needlessly, and that's all this feels like. And it's not like the toy sections of most of these are gonna see major changes, so lack of cross-updating is very, very, very unlikely to be an issue.
: I really don't think these require new templates and a bunch of new-editor landmines. At most, there's a decent argument to be made for re-positioning the "you look familiar" template that already exists, maybe below the main character writeup (above feels like a bad layout choice, pushing all kinds of stuff down.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:11, 28 February 2024 (EST)

== Listings and accessories ==

When I was making the description for cannonball based on the Walmart listing, there was mention of a Gatling gun and hammer not shown in the stock images,and left them out.

If I run into this type of situation again, what do I do?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 10:56, 7 March 2024 (EST)

== A few suggestions ==

Gallery pages should only include images that aren't easily accessed by going to the main page, to avoid cluttering. I guess this is not an issue now since the current gallery pages are fairly short.

There should be more dedication in listing alt-modes of characters. Maybe there should be a header or something. For example, if the Dreamwave version of [[Sunstorm (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Sunstorm]] transforms into an F-16 jet, it should be listed in the beginning with a header for the sake of easy access to the said information.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:59, 17 March 2024 (EDT)

== Will we get an article on The Masked Singer? ==

Will there be an article on TFWiki about The Masked Singer, specifically their recent "Transformers Night" episode (https://the-masked-singer.fandom.com/wiki/Transformers_Night)? --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 20:01, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

: Assuming it's a licensed appearance (I can't check the credits myself :C ), I can't think why it wouldn't be [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 21:15, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

:: It was indeed licensed. --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 22:30, 12 April 2024 (EDT)
:::Yes, as an official Hasbro-sanctioned piece of TF media, the episode does meet our requirements for inclusion. It just needs someone to write it up. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:22, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

== Franchise articles ==
So I was looking at the franchise pages to try and get an idea of what the standard is supposed to be for how they are written. Should all of them be updated to be more like the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)]] article? What was making me wonder this was that on the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)]] article it had a section for "Homages" and one for "New characters" which I don't think any other franchise article has. --[[User:1levichurch|1levichurch]] ([[User talk:1levichurch||talk]]) 22:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

== AI upscaled images ==
With fresh offsite talks about the matter, I put forth we add an official policy against posting AI upscaled images of any kind to the wiki, owing to their subpar performance in "enhancing" the quality of images. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:52, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
:Agreed. It's literally faking information and presenting it as official. (Also often noticeably terrible.) Sometimes the best quality available of something sucks, but we simply have to deal. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
::100 percent agreed. It's called "artificial" for a reason. Plenty of details would be lost out through the upscaling, and several times errors on the wiki somehow became official through Hastak using the wiki for references (the whole [[Circular reporting]] thing). If we start allowing AI upscaled images, then we're likely to have things lost to the annals of time. Potato quality is better than lost quality[[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 00:11, 2 May 2024 (EDT)
: Sure. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:43, 2 May 2024 (EDT)

== Ending addition of high-end statues ==
This is something I doubt other people have noticed, but I'm putting down a tent-peg on it: After having built the entries for dozens of high-end collectable TF statues in the last 2-3 years, from firms like Diamond Select, Imaginarium, Azure Sea, XM Studios, etc., and then seeing most of them either officially cancelled or never spoken of again with no reported purchases, I am going to stop adding such items here. If someone else feels like cataloguing them, great.

It really may not be possible for us to keep up with toy-like non-transforming merchandise (figurines and statues) the way we used to. There are at least two ''released'' series of G1 core cast micro-figurines with micro-comics and magnifying glasses, which would have been the rage of the fandom in 2005, that nobody ever got around to adding, and it feels like too much of a chore for me to start. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:35, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
: It's an unfortunate but very real thing that once you enter the world of licensed merch, we're ''gonna'' have big gaps. It's... a lot, on top of the "a lot" that is the regular TF toyline and fictional output today. I've said that the work involved in keeping up with all of TF's merch ought to be a full-time paying job, and I genuinely mean it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

== Transformers Roleplaying Game releases on the front page and sidebar ==

The [[Transformers Roleplaying Game]] is getting pretty frequent releases of both sourcebooks and pre-written adventures, and it occurs to me that it might be a good idea to have it on the "current releases" section of the front page and/or the navigation sidebar. How would people feel about that? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:49, 4 May 2024 (EDT)
: I think that makes a lot of sense, as long as we have people keeping up with the new releases to document them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:51, 4 May 2024 (EDT)

==How we handle weapons' toy/merch sections==
Okay, so like... I'm not really convinced that what we've been doing is the best way to handle the weapon pages' toys/merch sections. Honestly, they end up looking... really shoddy. There's just tiny scraps of info, vast wads of whitespace, few to no links, the images are tons of different sizes. <br>
I'm thinking that instead of all this... maybe this is a place where a gallery is in order, just a chronological procession. Have the captions just say what lines/toys the weapons came with and link to the toys directly on the character page. It's not like there's much to say about any of these, why not let the toy listing on the character page say it? Why make people scroll through screens of mostly-emptiness, which I feel they're increasingly unlikely to do? I may do a sandbox if I'm feeling up to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:24, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:[[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:WeaponPageToysSection]] - So... this, basically. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:39, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I'd be on board with that. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:34, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I like it. It would be far more compact than our current approach for, say, [[Fusion cannon#Toys]], while still getting the point across. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:13, 10 May 2024 (EDT)

==Proposal for Unproduced or Unreleased Template==
I don't think the Apocrypha template is particularly useful. It was created specifically for Alignment, but most of the things in it don't fit that criteria. Something like Unproduced or Unreleased Transformer media would be more self explanatory. [[User:WillR113|WillR113]] ([[User talk:WillR113|talk]]) 07:05, 11 May 2024 (EDT)

== Use of pictures from ebay, fan sites, etc ==

Is it appropriate to use pictures of toys from ebay, fan reviews, video review screenshots and the like? Under fair use and with source credit? Sometimes rarer items we don't have good pictures of on the wiki show up in these places. In particular I found a ebay seller with good images of EZ collection toys and and old Japanese review blog with images of Takara variants of HFTD/Autobot Alliance toys so that got me wondering. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (EDT)
:Images from eBay and other fan sites have been and can continue to be used, giving the fullest source credit feasible. I don't think we've ever needed to rely on video review screenshots and would always prefer to have a "normal" still image instead whenever possible. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:02, 16 May 2024 (EDT)

== ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' “再構成版” エピソード視聴ガイド "Re-Configuration Version" aka "Re-Constructed Version" Episode Viewing Guide ==

We really need to document the "canon" Japanese viewing order for ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' & ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010'' originally included with the ''Pioneer'' Laserdisc booklets & later apparently revised by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (市川裕文) for the DVD BOX SET 2 Instruction Booklet as it would help clean-up the chronology on many wiki pages here. From what I've been able to gather this particular viewing order differs from both the US/Japan production orders, the US-Airing order and the Japanese-Airing order. So what exactly is the order of the episodes of these two series according to these documents? Does anyone own them and able to list the specific order in which the episodes appear in those LD/DVD "Instruction Booklets" word-for-word? As it stands, we've only mentioned that a "narrative viewing order" exists but do not have it listed anywhere. For further clarification, it is not the order in which the episodes appear on the Japanese DVDs. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 01:09, 15 May 2024 (EDT)
:While this information would be valuable and is worth documenting, it's unlikely to result in us making any major changes to the way our information is structured. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:31, 16 May 2024 (EDT)
:Okay, having seen the booklets in question, it just lists the episodes in production order, continuity errors and all. So...absolutely no change, then. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:44, 17 May 2024 (EDT)

== Documenting MSRP? ==

Would it be worth documenting MSRP prices (in usd at least)? For the regular retail classes that's for the most part covered by the [[size class]] page, but we don't keep track of them for more specialty items like Masterpieces, multipacks, exclusives, one-off releases not in a normal size class, special lines like Missing Link, etc. It's something I find personally interesting and would've liked to know for older figures and someone in the future might want to know about today's releases. It can also offer some neat bits of info like how Premium Finish releases were generally one price point up compared to the figure's size or how the upcoming United Cliffjumper multipack is a whole $30 off what the individual figures would cost --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:20, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
:I think this would be very interesting, particularly when you scroll down pages for G1 toys that got multiple reissues like the Seekers, Insecticons, and tape players. It's just that - like the Designer Notes and the proper insignias on each and every toy - it would take forever to add and would probably wind up being one super-dedicated person having to do most of the work. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:28, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
::I might try to do what I can, going back to recatalogue everything would definitely be a chore. But at the very least I strongly believe it's something we can and should implement for future toy entries. I've started a [[User:BluJayWarrior/Sandbox|MSRP Sandbox]] to try out a few formats, any feedback is appreciated. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 05:18, 23 May 2024 (EDT)
::Cleaned up the sandbox page. Anyone have anything to say about the format? Might try applying Style 1 to a few pages this weekend if no one makes any objections. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 12:58, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Of those options I like Style 1 the best. As you already noted, the [[size class]] pages covers basically all normal U.S. retail from BW through Legacy, missing things like Platinum and MP. To find contemporary G1 prices, here are some good resources:
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20181125082555/https://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf84.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081109/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf85.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114091052/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf86.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114090836/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf87.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114084922/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf88.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081716/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf89.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114085830/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf90.html
:::https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/g1-original-retail-price-listing.1167895/
:::I tried looking for G2 MSRP but couldn't find anything as obvious. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:24, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Thanks for the sources, gonna have to sort through that later. Planning to start with new ROTB characters since they're smaller pages and prices can still be found. I've decided to add prices for retail classes for reader convenience; not everyone will know to go to the size class page for them and its not linked often enough to make it reasonable they would. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (EDT)

: I'd been working on a project like this a long time ago, had originally proposed adding this to the wiki, but then kinda stopped... mostly because near as I could tell, the MSRP in the 80s was something retailers could just make the hell up. The price ranges for any given toy were kinda all over the damn place, and the MSRP was something some retailers used to go "no really we're cheaper SEE?" then make up some price they supposedly "discounted" down from... you know, the thing that got Kay-Bee in legal-type troubles. I was increasingly unsure how to handle that wild price variance concisely on the wiki. In fact...
::https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PBE2i9vLE6fkr933GQbXosA1cxIqB3CkOSnzW0BMdwc/edit#gid=448439989
: Take a look-see. There's at least three different MSRP values for the standard Headmasters, never mind actual sticker prices. Like, I ''want'' to provide this kind of context, I really do, and it's pretty easy once we get to the unified price points of BW on... but for G1 and G2? Woof. That's going to take a bit of mulling. "Average" price maybe, but there's gonna be some Prices Georg here and there throwing shit off. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::RE: The sandbox... I'm gonna have to vote against Style 1, because, as noted, price info is very likely going to get... cluttered, and the longer that parenthetical is, the worse it is. I'd REALLY like to keep that to just "size class/type (if not obvious) and release year". And don't forget Takara-release prices, which can be more flexible even within a size class... but at least those have been ''extensively'' documented. I think we need to talk about bit more about everything we'd need to cover and ''how'' before we go implementing anything, and get a few more people in on the discussion. (Sorry for all the add-ons, lightly scattered today.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Fair enough on the old stuff since that gets convoluted, but the newer stuff is comparatively easier to do and I'd rather start sooner before some MSRP prices get harder to find (ROTB Autobots Unite subline prices seem to have disappeared already). Added the ROTB Airazor page I was gonna start with to the sandbox so you can see how the page might look as a whole. Since you object to Style 1 I added a Style 2 version too. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:38, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::: Assemble the data, sure, but I am going to say do ''not'' actually apply any of this to live articles. Again, there's barely been any time or discussion on a project that is... vast in scope, and we simply do not jump on stuff like this right away, because that means things will get not considered and then we have to re-do hundreds to thousands of pages... and we absolutely do ''not'' do it when there's a giant obvious gap (the first decade of the franchise) that still needs to be considered, as how we handle ''that'' will affect how we handle all the others, because we try and keep things consistent.
:::: Like, just off the top of my head, there's non-US-or-Japan markets to consider for just about everything normal-retail. Which makes me think we may want to look into a collapsible template, like with the toy designers and voice actors, to handle the other markets without overloading the bullet point sections, some of which are already a bit husky. There's the fact that Walmart and Target just dropped the prices on TF Deluxes in the US... but apparently, Hasbro didn't change their "MSRP"/cost at all. In fact a quick jump to Hasbro Pulse shows they're still charging $25 for a ''Legacy/Studio'' Deluxe, while I can pop to the local Target/Walmart and buy 'em at $20, so we gotta consider ranges just like with G1/G2. And again... ''I'm moderately convinced that "MSRP" in the USA was bullshit all along,'' so I don't know that it's the term we even want to use in the first place. Maybe "Retail price" would be better. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:17, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::I think just documenting the MSRP, if we know it, is enough. No need to go down the rabbit hole of tracking down what individual retailers sell them at when they disregard the MSRP (which as, after all, only a suggested price). In my opinion, at least, it's little different from listing the cover prices of books - the only difference is that Hasbro doesn't print their suggested price directly on the box.
:::::Totally hear you on waiting to the pull the trigger until it's been properly discussed, though. Also, I prefer BluJay's Style 2 as well. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:46, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::: Um, the problem is, again... I really don't think we HAVE any actual MSRPs outside of Takara's. What's been cataloged here are just "prices they were sold at", which isn't ''specifically'' a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price, the specific price suggested specifically by the manufacturer. Those we'd need a source for, and as I've pointed out, the handful of stated "MSRP"s we've seen for Hasbro stuff... well, someone was lying, likely multiple someones. For BW on we have a pretty strong ''inference'' of MSRP, but, well. And even that's not reliable... I just remembered that Walmart and Target were charging markedly different prices for the ''EarthSpark'' Tacticons, like, a $2 diff.
:::::: What I'm saying is, we might want to just not call it "MSRP" because of that (also, frankly I question how many people even recognize that acronym). And because of the wide variance in prices for older stuff, no, we don't need to list every price at every retailer (there were a billion retailers in the 80s... man, remember when actual competition in the market was a thing?), but we really OUGHT to account for the variance somehow, because it can be wide and ''full''. "''Original price''" might be best, since that's what we're actually reporting here, with something like "$2.99 - $4.99 (US) / ¥500 (Japan) <expand>". I'd rather do a range than a single-price "average" on old stuff, especially when we have so MUCH data on what these were sold at across the nation that we can see the trends and when a particularly high or low price is an outlier adn should not have been counted. "Modern" stuff we can certainly ignore, say, Kohl's's higher prices and just do the average probable-MSRP-if-those-actually-exist prices most places (all two of them) charge. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Alright, I'll make a [[User:BluJayWarrior/MSRP Catalog|separate sub page]] to catalog prices for now while that gets sorted out
::::As Dark T said, I think prioritizing initial Hasbro MSRP is best as it is the "intended" price (this is what [https://brickset.com Brickset] does for Lego). It's a point of consistency since historically different retailers tend have slight variations on the price anyway (Target/Walmart sometimes being slightly lower, Kohls/BBTS being higher, general lag on reflecting the msrp price increases a few years ago, etc) and I don't think that whole range needs to be noted. Admittedly the current Target/Walmart prices drops are pretty unusual (a whole $5?!) but unless it becomes something more widespread I personally wouldn't consider it as a data point. Might be worth making a note of somewhere if anything, though I'm not sure where --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 04:26, 25 May 2024 (EDT)

==Micronauts, etc.==
Why are we suddenly gaining detailed issue write-ups for so much of Micronauts, which contains no TF elements at all? Isn't that the point of the IDW Hasbroverse wiki? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:14, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:Oh and look, now whole issues of M.A.S.K. written 7 years ago with no TF content whatsoever are being pasted from the Hasbroverse wiki. Is the other site going offline or something? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::I don't think it was really our intention to formally unveil the project until we were further along, but some of us have been doing a fair bit of work towards creating a [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page sister wiki for ''G.I. Joe''] where the [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Comics#IDW_Publishing_3 out-of-scope IDW Joe coverage] has already been re-homed. The Joe crew hasn't made any calls about what do with non-Joe stuff to be clear (we're sort of preoccupied, there's so much Joe you guys) but I'm guessing the idea here is to align the rest with our [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive71#Energon Universe coverage|current approach]] to [[Energon Universe|Skybound's shared universe]] and sundown the IDW one? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:43, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:::That is more or less the intention, yeah. The Hasbroverse wiki was built at a time where it was perhaps anticipated to be grander than it ended up being, and it wasn't certain how long it was going to run; with the end result being "not very", having this other vestigial site for what is ultimately not a lot of content just doesn't feel practical. The exception, of course, is pre-V5 Joe, which has ''always'' been the sticking point in discussions about moving Hasbroverse content here, both for the amount and for how little it has to do with the IDW Transformers line. Having a dedicated Joe wiki solves that problem and frees up the rest of the Hasbroverse stuff to be reintegrated. Plus, there's still new Joe material being released to this day; arguably having a complete and better curated site for the franchise as a whole that continues to be updated with new releases is more likely to drive traffic and get other people to contribute than it would be linking to a dead wiki for a long-ended comic line that's had the same featured articles for five years because no one cares to add anything to it anymore. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:59, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::::It does look like a rough consensus was reached to do this back in 2021 ([[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Reintegration_of_Hasbroverse_wiki_content|Archive 69]]), it was just never implemented. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::Like half of MASK issues have something from Transformers in them. Picking and choosing which select issues to cover here is hair-splitting and obnoxious for readers. It's immensely better to just have all the information in one, easily-accessible spot and regard Hasbro Universe as a de facto spinoff of Transformers, much like Beastformers and Energon Universe are. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)

==One spoilers==
I propose that information about this movie be withheld until it actually opens in its largest market next weekend. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:04, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
: Agreed. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:08, 14 September 2024 (EDT)

==Transformers One and the conversation we've all been waiting for==

On September 12th, Lorenzo di Bonaventura [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/is-transformers-one-a-prequel-optimus-prime-origin-story-exclusive/ clarified the relationship] between ''Transformers One'' and the live-action ''Transformers'' films, describing them as "two universes" that will be "separate". For some, this kind of explicit confirmation may come as a relief after years of wishy-washy answers regarding ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but it also leaves us with questions on how to best handle ''One''-related information going forward. Around 2015, we adopted a unique layout we applied to all the movie characters, where we organized their movie appearances at the top of the page, regardless of chronological order of release (see "[[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Movies]]"). Obviously, this leads to some questions regarding how we should handle our ''One'' coverage going forward.

The way I see it, we have three options:

* '''Keep the page format as is, and keep''' '''''One''''' '''up with the rest of the movies''': For obvious reasons I think this is probably our weakest possible solution; it's pretty clear at this point that our current solution for classifying the films is not really sustainable, and mashing them all together under a single loosely-affiliated umbrella is already confusing and frustrating people who aren't intimately acquainted with the mechanics of the wiki.

* '''Reorganize movie character pages so that we acknowledge the live-action films and''' '''''One''''' '''as separate continuities within one continuity family, similar to how our G1 pages cover Sunbow, Marvel, JG1, IDW, etc.''': Historically speaking, this is probably the safest option, but from what I understand there is very little "connective tissue"—visually, character-wise, plot-beats—between the live-action films and ''One'' beyond the inertia of "they were both made by Paramount". As some people have discussed in the past, this could lead to a full or partial reformat of our movie character coverage to more clearly reflect the ambiguous "prequel" status of ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but this may be a conversation for another time.

* '''Separate''' '''''One''''' '''as an entirely new continuity family and split out the relevant information so we have pages for "Optimus Prime (One)", "Megatron (One)", etc.''' Probably the most radical proposal, but this is honestly where I'm at right now: from what I understand the movie is a pretty radical departure from everything that's gone before, with entirely new interpretations of old ''Transformers'' lore—I'd classify it as the start of a new "franchise" in the same way that we distinguish ''Earthspark'' and ''Cyberverse'' despite them both clearly drawing on the same well of post-Aligned lore, and these days "new franchise" is generally synonymous with "new continuity family" for the ease of wiki bookkeeping.

We would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter! '''As the film is not out yet in all regions please refrain from posting spoilers here'''. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 08:56, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I could see option 3 being the way we go, but what holds me back from that is that beyond just Paramount, Spielberg and Bay are still executive producers on the film. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:39, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I think we should put them on the Earthspark Continuity pages to satisfy no-one /j - but yeah, the film is drawing from the same vaguely Binder Of Revelation backstory as everything else for the last 10 years, and unless they have been hiding The Fallen twisting D-16 to evil or the twist that the Creators were the Quintessons all along, One feels pretty decoupled from the rest of the movies. The big issue I see with splitting out fully is that people wondering why we do not do the same for Bumblebee/ROTB, but that more easily passes a "vibe check" as being "Movie-adjacent" and belonging on the same page as the Bay 5-dom than One so far. Agree that trying to put them directly alongside the other movies as a prequel feels both unwieldy and confusing. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 09:41, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3''', I think creating separate pages is the way to go. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 09:54, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::I vote for '''option 2'''. To me the movie is different enough to be a separate universe but not an entirely different continuity. Josh Cooley himself on April 18 when asked whether the film is a fresh start, a prequel to the live-action films, or its own thing, replied with: "yes to all of the above" https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status. (And having seen the movie I can confirm those connections to the live-action series do exist). [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:05, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3'''. One has always felt very different to the previous live action movies so I feel it should get its own dedicated pages. As for BB and ROTB, there is "connective tissue" to the Bayverse movies so I feel they can stay on the pre-existing movie pages. [[User:PublicCrown|PublicCrown]] ([[User talk:PublicCrown|talk]]) 10:25, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having viewed the film at an advance screening, I think there are easily enough references and homages to previous films that '''option two''' makes the most sense. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 10:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I'm favorable for the '''3rd option''', it is still produced under Paramount & there are some producers attached to the project that were on previous movies, but my stance is that we should judge based on the final product & having seen the movie, it doesn't try to be in line to what came before (there are some similarities in design & names, but it stops there since every popular TF stories has influence over the next ones), helped by the new team of writers & creatives. If we can treat each new cartoon as its own entity (even tho in recent years they are streamlined in some areas), I think we can do the same for the recent movies that have more contradictory elements to the Bayverse –[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:49, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''<nowiki>#3</nowiki>''' is the cleanest option to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:32, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I think from a practical perspective, '''#3''' is the only real option. Looking at the loose guidelines for a new family on our [[continuity family]] page:
:*"a fresh continuity" — Yep, even Lorenzo's acknowledged this. Even if we questioned that, there's stuff like the AllSpark being absent (with the Matrix pretty much taking exactly the role the AllSpark would have), Megatronus being a good guy, and Sentinel's role being entirely irreconcilable with Dark of the Moon.
:*"within a separate franchise" — Yep. New franchise, and the marketing hasn't done anything to allude to the live-action films specifically.
:*"significantly different in cast, theme, style, etc." — This is the big sticking point for me. One makes no attempt to align with the visual style or characterisations of the live-action films. The sole real connective point is B-127 (name from ''Bumblebee'', he has the big cheeks and antenna of the movie guy, and his talking a lot is clearly a meta-gag about him losing his voice), but even he's characterised completely differently, as the "comedy crazy guy" who's a peer to Optimus and co instead of the cool-but-rude big brother figure from Bay/Bee/Beasts.
:I'm sympathetic to the Paramount/Bay/Spielberg/Di Bonaventura connective tissue, but my big rebuttal there is that we don't consider ''EarthSpark'' to be Aligned because Nicole Dubuc is the showrunner. Ultimately, if we hadn't had pre-release producer statements (now contradicted) calling it a prequel to the other movies, there's absolutely no way this would be in question — we'd already have it as a separate continuity family. And from a wiki organisation standpoint I don't think there's any way to, say, write up Sentinel Prime's opening paragraph in a way that adequately covers both the DOTM and One characters without genericising it to the point of uselessness. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 12:33, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::Yeah, I think '''#3''' is straightforward and likely the approach we'd take if we were presented with the film, as a story, with zero context on the studio releasing it or EPs involved or whatever. I also think there's a high likelihood that the next live-action film will have Elita appear and be like "hey Optimus remember when we were in Transformers One?" and we'll all groan and have to reconsider, but until then, I think the real-world context is basically the only thing separating One from just being the next Broadly Aligned-y New Thing like Cyberverse and EarthSpark before it, which we consistently split out for organisation reasons. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Toss me in for '''Option 3''' of an entirely new continuity given how ''different'' the story details has been laid out when compared to the original 2007 film-verse and then later what's set by ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:38, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting for '''option #2'''. While we would still have the outlier of TF:TAM 86 being a theatrically released movie in the G1 continuity family, I see no reason why "movie continuity family" would not only include transmedia spinoffs from feature films (''Reign of Starscream'', toy redeco Tech Specs, etc. etc.) but also feature films which are belonging different timelines and story universes. This would also free us from having to reconcile Movie 'Bee's history -- did he come to Earth in the 1940s or the 1980s? -- and put to bed *that* long running argument about whether the Bay-directed films were the same universe as BB and RotB or not -- now they don't have to be! [[User:Banpei the Mini-Con|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con|talk]]) 14:58, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having seen the movie, I think '''#3''' is our cleanest option. Between the Lorenzo interview and, without going into spoilers, the numerous discrepencies there are, I don't think we can get away with suiting it out ala G1. The time may come when we do that for Bumblebee onwards but as far as One goes, I say we treat it as a new continuity. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 19:53, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''#3'''. #2 was close for me, but TFOne (having seen the movie) is so artistically different from the live action movies, it feels pointless to keep it on the same page like G1/IDW. Ironically, we could give Bayverse/BB&ROTB the G1/IDW treatment. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 23:23, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:I think 3 is where I'm leaning after seeing the film. Keeping this as "movie continuity" simply because it was released theatrically doesn't make sense to me. We wouldn't do that with a new comic or show because it was the same medium, why do it for a movie just because of that? Yes There is some CNA here to the live action films, but it could be argued it has just as much pulled from G1. One is it's own thing in the end. Trying to fit it into the live action movie box just doesn't feel right in this case.--[[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 05:47, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I vote for '''Option 3''' for all the reasons previously mentioned as well as size concerns. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''Option 3''', I believe the movie was clearly made with a new continuity in mind.-[[User:TitaniumToughGuy|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy|talk]]) 09:38, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
===CHECKPOINT (2024/09/16)===
*Votes for Option 1: 1 (96megatron)
*Votes for Option 2: 3 (GrievousPrime, Archforce, Banpei the Mini-Con)
*Votes for Option 3: 15 (Locoman, AkibaSilver, MrRald, PublicCrown, MahXyme, Saix, Broadside, Jalaguy, Lonegamer, Ezim93, Boingus, ParadoxFactor, Khajidha, TitaniumToughGuy, CyberLink420)
As it stands, current consensus is pretty overwhelmingly in favor of Option 3 by a ratio of 5:1. I know it's only been a day, but barring a sudden swell of support for #2, it might be prudent to start switching everything over. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:20, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
: I'm reluctant to make actual changes until the movie hits wide release and the general public can make informed input. Give it a few more days. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 10:40, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::This. Let people... SEE the movie before we make important decisions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::Right. We can wait a few days for more than a small handful of people to see this and base their decision on, you know, '''''the actual movie''''' rather than whatever someone who had something to do with it says ''this'' week, which historically has waffled between "vague" and "contradictory". Hell, even ''now'' some of them are still being all "well maybe it is and maybe it isn't" and frankly I have no faith they won't ride that ambiguity for a long time like they've done since ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::I've said ever since Keegan Michael Key tweeted as much that One should be treated as a separate continuity. '''Option 3''' for sure. {{unsigned|jmcdavid}}
:'''Option 3'''. I've seen the movie and other users have covered why that seems like the best choice. It feels as different from the previous movies as Prime is from Animated, or Earthspark from Sunbow (which, despite directly homaging/referencing Sunbow, Earthspark is considered separate from). [[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 18:01, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::I vote '''Option 2'''. There seems to be a large focus on whether or not the film fits in continuity with the prior films, but considering how little they fit with each other that feels irrelevant to me. The creators have been rather unclear whether this film should be considered separate from the ongoing live-action series in terms of production, just in terms of universe. If we had a sense this was the springboard for an entirely separate animated film series I'd say Option 3, but it feels unwarranted at this time. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 20:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I'm voting '''Option 3'''; much of my reasons are the same as others have stated above, and I do apologise for opening this bags of worms on the ''One'' talk page. It's not that I don't understand why some people are opposed to creating a new set if pages, but for argument's sake, if ''One'' gets one or more sequels, it would likely draw further away from the established live-action films and become its own continuity/franchise (though that's more of a what-if right now). Overall, I personally think that separating live-action films and animated ones into their own continuities is a reasonable option, and I believe that ''One'' has proven itself a different entity. [[User:Prime Temple|Prime Temple]] ([[User talk:Prime Temple|talk]]) 06:26, 17 September 2024 (EDT)

::Also '''Option 3''' . In tone, content, continuity, style, story, just feels too different to me from the Michael Bay and other films, really only having the method of release in common. It feels more separate from the other movies than even Cyberverse from G1, and that’s happily separate. —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 10:05, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Screen Rant: I vote for '''Option 1''' This came out from ScreenRant today. Is Transformers One considered a prequel to the recent movies of Bumblebee and Rise of the Beast or the original live-action film starting in 2007? Or is it something completely, entirely new? ... Lorenzo di Bonaventura: "It obviously exists beforehand. I think we figured it out. It was like 300 million years before the first Michael Bay movie, so if that's a prequel, that's a prequel. But we're really following the lore about where it starts, and so we really just think about it as the beginning of the story. The origin, yes, but literally the beginning of the thing that we've all come to appreciate." https://screenrant.com/transformers-one-lorenzo-di-bonaventura-and-josh-cooley-interview/ [[User:96megatron|96megatron]] ([[User talk:96megatron|talk]]) 10:56, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
::Voting for '''Option 2'''. If adding stuff like Aligned backstory influence disqualifies One from being movie, then there could be an argument for splitting IDW characters off from the G1 pages because of things like the absence of the traditional "Ark crashes on Earth, everyone wakes up 4 million years later" backstory, and no amount of Owning The Bayverse (which I can't help but feel some of the desire to split One off is fueled by) is worth opening that can of worms. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 12:31, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting '''Option 3''', y'all gotta stop taking Lorenzo's word as gospel especially over the actual creatives behind these movies. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 14:25, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting '''Option 3''', Lorenzo has made multiple contradictory statements in the past, some having been outright proven wrong. He doesn't seem like he's involved enough in the productions in order to make concrete statements about their continuity, nor is he a representative of Hasbro. [[User:TheDarkMage10218|TheDarkMage10218]] ([[User talk:TheDarkMage10218|talk]]) 19:30, 17 September 2024 (CST)
:: While I would agree that splitting it out makes the most sense as I currently see it, lets also not pretend the wiki is under some thrall to the evil boogeyman known as "the fandoms view of Lorenzo" and ignore that multiple creatives for all the movies people like to argue are definitely not Bayverse for realsies have made contradictory statements about whether or not the films are all supposed to be prequels / sequels, and its because [https://x.com/SJ_Broadside/status/1836084548020338988 they are not ubernerds who care about whether this movie perfectly follows the backstory of one from nearly 2 decades ago]. Just personally, I am seeing this like the High Moon Games advertising themselves as a G1 prequel back in the day - for people not like us, all of Transformers falls into the same vague umbrella, so sure, it can be a "prequel" to the rest of the movies, in the same way Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime to Hasbro, no matter whether he be G1, Movie, Animated, or Armada. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 04:34, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:::Haven't seen the movie yet, but I strongly agree with that comment. This wiki has never been governed by author intent, and particularly regarding the live-action movies there are too many authors giving too much contradictory intent about contradictory material. ''We'' made up the concept of a "continuity family," that concept ''we made up'' is now old enough for a driver's license, we will have to continue making our own judgments about which stories mesh with what. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:45, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:::: All this, and as to that last point: "continuity family" ''has literally '''NEVER''' meant "all fits into one actual internal timeline"''. There's a reason we used the word "family". We treat the totally-irreconcilable-timelines-having G1 cartoon and G1 comic as part of the same "family" (and BW as well), because of an ''external'' concept of them being "related" to each other by dint of the how and who and why of their creations. And this has held true as we moved forward, the above-mentioned High Moon statements being a very good example. The sheer squirreliness of multiple creatives -and the films themselves- over the past half-decade or so over "continuity" (and let's just dismiss out of hand what a ''voice actor'' thinks, okay), doesn't exactly make me think that the future won't see more squirreliness in whatever comes next. "The existing character pages are too big already" is a more convincing argument for a full-on split, and we got subpages/suites for that problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:17, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
::::: You all make great points; I amend my reasoning for my choice of Option 3: One deviates stylistically and tonally from the live-action movies, and it isn't even live-action to begin with. [[User:TheDarkMage10218|TheDarkMage10218]] ([[User talk:TheDarkMage10218|talk]]) 22:37, 18 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having seen the movie, I believe '''Option 3''' is the best. It is irreconcilable with the Bay films on several levels (more so than ROTB/Bumblebee). It is extremely aesthetically and tonally different from them as well. I feel that grouping One with the rest of the live-action films simply because they share the same release venue would be akin to grouping Prime and G1. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 15:22, 18 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just got out of the advanced screening, I think '''Option 3''' would be the best option. There's a few details that clash with the prior films in many regards. It has an overall different feel. --[[User:GordonShumway8690|GordonShumway8690]] ([[User talk:GordonShumway8690|talk]]) 22:10, 18 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just saw the movie, and I vote '''Option 3'''. This movie ''cannot'' be in the same continuity as the other films, so Option 3 would be our safest bet. [[User:Decepticon Stryker|Decepticon Stryker]] ([[User talk:Decepticon Stryker|talk]]) 01:06, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Another vote by a movie watcher for '''Option 3.''' Several events in the third act counter what has happened in Bay's films. For the ease of the wiki having it stay separated is the best way to prevent headaches and finger pointing by having it all on the same page. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 12:21, 19 September 2024 (EDT)
:Does my vote count when I watch it tomorrow? [[User:JasenomousTF|JasenomousTF]] ([[User talk:JasenomousTF|talk]]) 17:27, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Saw the film yesterday, only delayed a response because I didn't think I could come up with any unique arguments. But a vote is a vote, and mine is '''Option 3'''. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] ([[User talk:Bobpiecheese|talk]]) 19:32, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Count me among the other votes for '''Option 3'''. After seeing the movie, there really is no possible way to finagle it into the pre-existing Movie continuity, even in an Aligned Continuity "works-if-you-squint" manner. It's absolutely its own thing by the definitions the Wiki uses to separate continuities from one another. [[User:SlimerJoel|SlimerJoel]] ([[User talk:SlimerJoel|talk]]) 19:42, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

Just got back from seeing the movie, giving a vote for '''Option 3'''. The film is significantly different in tone, lore, designs, characterization, and story beats from bayverse. Arguably closer to aligned or idw1 [[User:Arren1234|Arren]] ([[User talk:Arren1234|talk]]) 21:31, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

:Having just seen the film, it is thoroughly '''Option 3'''. There isn't a single link in play between this and the live action films, not even in design or animation language. Hell, you could make a vastly stronger argument for it being a prequel to the Aligned continuity than the films. Just from an ease of use angle, I also don't think people who are coming in for Transformers One info are going to want to dig through years of irrelevant existing live action film content in the first place. [[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 02:16, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

:Just seen the film. Definitely '''Option 3'''. I was just thinking it would be easier too for newcomers looking for info to not have to encounter a mainpic and write-up that describes a totally different person up top. [[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 09:10, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

Coming out of the movie, I was '''Option 2'''. Definitely separate from the live action films, but I think it would be convenient to have all the films (that aren’t extended episodes of a pre-existing cartoon) all under the same umbrella. I do understand the arguments that it’s really different in tone and content from the other films, but so is 2005 IDW to G1. Maybe do a suite page that includes everything One related? Like, Optimus Prime (Movie) Main/Games/Toys/One? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 20:34, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
:Suiting is only done in instances where a single subject, such as a specific piece of media or a toy section, gets ''so'' big that it starts to overwhelm the page, something that absolutely does not apply to ''One'' yet. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:39, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
::Correct me if I’m wrong, but was Shattered Glass Unicron really overwhelming the rest of the page on its own? Or RID2001 Universe Optimus Prime? I figured they were just really distinct and separate from all the ether appearances. Unless there’s something I’m not completely understanding about the suiteing rules (which I admit is entirely possible), I think that hypothetically making a One suite for all the big main characters and their toys would be convenient. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 11:12, 21 September 2024 (EDT)
:::Shattered Glass Unicron and the female, yellow 2003 Universe RID2001 Optimus Prime pages also have arguments of merging them with the larger articles they were originally spun off from. [[User:Shockwave2018|Shockwave2018]] ([[User talk:Shockwave2018|talk]]) 21:07, 23 September 2024 (GMT-3)

'''Option 3'''. After having watched the movie, it's substantially different so as to be disconnected from the live action movies, and I don't like the precedence it sets to lump every movie together from here on out, especially if this one's success inspires future free-standing Transformers movies down the line. I understand it with the live-action movies, because the line was very blurry, but it's pretty obvious that this one is separate. [[User:Thunderwolf|Thunderwolf]] ([[User talk:Thunderwolf|talk]]) 21:10, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

'''Option 3'''. I just got back from watching the movie, and it's the option that makes the most sense. There's just too much to connect it to the previous films, and while I do see where Option 2 is coming from I don't even think there's enough in common for it to be in the same continuity family (and I don't think its a good idea to throw every single movie that we're unsure about into the the 2007 family imo). Also taking into account the contradictory statements regarding the movie from producers and higher-ups, I think the simplest and most user-friendly option is to put everything into one new continuity family. If something changes so be it, but based on what we have 3 is the best choice. [[User:Hyperious|Hyperious]] ([[User talk:Hyperious|talk]]) 18:19, 21 September 2024 (EDT)

:Might as well throw my vote for '''Option 3''' in too. Even if we keep having this conversation over every new movie they release, it's already very clear that the best ''for wiki purposes'' is to split One from the rest. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:23, 21 September 2024 (EDT)
I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't quite feel right casting a vote here, but I do have one question: to those in favor of option 2, what do you feel makes Transformers One in the same family as the live-action movies, that didn't make Earthspark in the same family as Cyberverse? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:39, 24 September 2024 (EDT)
: The fact that Cyberverse and Earthspark are sold as entirely separate franchises, whereas this is just the new movie. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 07:19, 24 September 2024 (EDT)
::''All'' of the Paramount TF movies have had their own separate franchises. Heck, even the 2010 Movieverse toyline between ROTF and DOTM was its own franchise and it didn't even have a movie. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:51, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

We've clearly long since moved forward with this but just for posterity now that I've finally made it out to the theater, '''Option 3''' does indeed strike me as the right call. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:24, 29 September 2024 (EDT)
:I second what Azimuth said, now. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:29, 2 October 2024 (EDT)

== Privacy Policy ==

It occurred to me recently that the Privacy Policy has not been adopted though it has been over fifteen years since it was originally written. I wrote a couple of things in its talk page but ultimately got no response. I then contacted abates on what to do next, he told me I could write up a new intro in the talk page. I did, and it hasn't had a response. The policy is linked to at the bottom of every page on the wiki, so if we could get some activity on its talk page, I'd appreciate it. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 20:41, 6 November 2024 (EST)

==The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for==

Over the last few years, the Thirteen have played a major role in multiple ''Transformers'' stories. However, this prominence—combined with Hasbro's increasingly loose approach their in-universe lore—has also led to increasingly divergent portrayals of the group and its individual members.

Around 2015, we took the step of consolidating all the different incarnations of the Thirteen on one page for each, with the rationale that the characters were former [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], and mostly shared similar backstories and personalities between incarnations. However, even at the time, this was not a completely ideal comporomise. Most notably, the various [[Alpha Trion (disambiguation)|Alpha Trion]]s were not consolidated into one, partly due to length and partly because the existence of his [[Alpha Trion (SG)|murderously insane evil counterpart]] represented a massive contradiction to the entire notion.

However, over the years, multiple authors have drastically reinterpreted the Thirteen and their story. The role of "Thirteenth Prime" has been filled by multiple contradictory characters—[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]—and individual depictions of the Primes themselves have grown increasingly divergent. "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion is no longer the outlier, but rather an increasing trend: for instance, ''Transformers One'' features a completely heroic Megatronus who never becomes The Fallen, a Liege Maximo that looks nothing like Loki, and an incarnation of Nexus Prime that does not seem to be a combiner. With these data points in mind—and the potential for even further divergence in the coming years—I and several other editors feel that it may be time to reorganize our Thirteen coverage, splitting them out into individual [[continuity family]]-based incarnations the way we would for stock characters like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]], etc.

However, if we do adopt this approach, some further problems would need to be solved.

* '''How do we handle toys?''' With a few exceptions like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Fallen, the toys of the Thirteen are clearly meant to be somewhat continuity-agnostic. ''Age of the Primes'' Solus Prime is about as faithful to her depiction in ''The Covenant of Primus'' as it is to ''One'' or any of the IDW comics in which she appears. Even if we count them as "repurposes" across multiple pages, the format of the wiki means they'd have to be based ''somewhere''...

* '''FunPub stuff''': The Vector Prime of "Ask Vector Prime" is clearly meant to be a version of the same Vector Prime who appeared in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, but at the same time makes reference to off-camera events, such as a time when he and the Thirteen lived in Ancient Greece—would we make a separate "FunPub" page for the Thirteen, or try and work these events onto Unicron Trilogy pages when necessary? Other similar problems exist: "[[Coalescence]]" is a story that features a movie universe Fallen jumping into the world of ''Shattered Glass'', and AVP established that "The Evil One" of GoBots fame, is another alternate-universe incarnation of The Fallen/Megatronus.

Feedback on this proposal is appreciated! [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:50, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:From my point of view, I think as it stands right now my thoughts on the Thirteenth Prime stuff is that I absolutely understand the concerns, but for me personally it kind of falls into the same view as like, IDW Primus being Rung, which I think our current model handles fairly well. For the other Primes, I'm tempted to say that like...as it stands, there's about as much divergence there as like, Unicron as he's depicted in The Last Knight (not really shown to be aggressive beyond being called Cybertron's enemy), and as it stands right now, I don't think that's enough to say there should be a full-on split, but I do think it's worth thinking about future-proofing. And I suppose my main concern right now about pushing ahead too soon is in the event there's some fiction accompanying the Age of the Primes stuff; certainly, the fact that we're getting a toy of the Fallen with the Megatronus name but with the original Dreamwave design does make me hesitant that there might be some further consolidation of disparate elements; and I remember that last time we did this in the early 2010s was that we figured the idea of the Aligned Primes not having any connections to the others was going to be the standard going forward, which turned out not to be the case, and I figure it might be worth considering if something like that happens again. But! I am open to ideas of how to implement this if we do go for it; I think the suite options we have for Primus and Unicron work perfectly fine if we go for something like that. Just figure it's worth considering the stuff I've brought up here first. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Right now, I'm leaning toward the camp of not splitting them out for all the reasons you've given. I look at our current situation and, while not perfect, I feel that things can be tidied up simply with some "Conceptual history" sections for the pages that need them. The aforementioned Vector Prime is a particular case not just for everything stated about him above, but because [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|his very first Fub Pub appearance]] written by [[Forest Lee]] leans so heavily far into the multiversal aspect of the character that it doesn't treat him like he is a native to the Cybertron cartoon universe but rather to the whole multiverse itself. Similarly, Nexus Prime was also continuity-agnostic by his very nature from the ground up. The safest solution for splitting him out would be to classify his Fun Pub incarnation under "(Timelines)" (the previous "(Classics)" tag we had him under was bleh), but that's typically a last-resort tag we have tried to avoid in the past.
::Regarding The Fallen, while he does tend to be evil in a majority of his depictions, and has had a few outlier cases where he either didn't go bad at all (TF One) or was the victim of other's manipulations (Covenant), it's implied that the majority of those evil versions weren't always evil from the start, and only went bad later. The TF One version of Megatronus never turned to the dark side, but one could argue that he was murdered before he ever would have gotten the chance to. ;-)
::Regarding the Thirteenth Prime and various conflicting the depictions, we solved that issue by simply creating the "[[Thirteenth Prime]]" article to explain everything there.
::You mention the situation with Alpha Trion, and I get it. The biggest reasons for simply not merging all of his pages together were that A) he was never originally meant to be one of the Thirteen since the original Dreamwave-based lore for the Thirteen had them all die before A3 was even born, and B) his Shattered Glass self. I used to be a proponent for keeping all of his versions separate because of A, but in the time since then we've had more and more depictions of him as a 13er who were all still pretty much the same as his traditional pre-Aligned depictions. If we were to merge all of his versions together, a "Conceptual history" section for him could explain the whole "Sometimes he's a 13er, sometimes he's not" situation.
::BUT, there still remains his SG version, which I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on the same page as his other versions. Reaching back to the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3F original discussion] about how to handle the SG characters, I find myself still agreeing with those like Steve-o who pointed out how awkward "'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe." reads as a page. But, there is one thing we have nowadays that we did not have back when that original discussion was held and makes me wonder how differently the conversation might have gone if they had existed back then: Subpages. Looking at our [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] articles, I find it to be a very fair and workable compromise that their respective SG versions are placed not on their respective main pages but as subpages for each. Doing the same for SG Alpha Trion were we to merge all of the non-SG A3's together could be a valid solution too, in my eyes. Unlike others, I don't see subpages as an annoying evil that much be dealt with and eliminated, but as a handy tool to work around tricky situations like this.
::Had they even existed back then, it's very possible that ALL SG characters may have ended up on subpages for their positive polarity counterparts instead of separate pages entirely. And since then, SG has grown to expand not just beyond the original Fun Pub SG G1 continuity but to other non-G1 SG continuities, like for the Movies, Animated, and Cybertron, forcing us to create such unsightly tags as "(SG Movie)", "(SG Animated)", and "(SG Cybertron)", when subpages could have prevented that with "(Movie)/Shattered Glass" or "(Animated)/Shattered Glass" and so on.
::But, I'm getting off topic. Backing up to the Thirteen, I'm for keeping the Thirteen together. In addition to what all I've said above, the Age of the Primes toys seem to be treating them as the standard or definitive versions of the Thirteen that apply for every version/universe/continuity, pulling from all across the board rather than sticking to a single depicted version of them. Prima has his Aligned body but the Sunbow Powerful Robot's head. The Fallen is just the Dreamwave design but with Aligned Megatronus's weapons from the books and RID 2015 cartoon. Micronus is likely to be based on his RID 2015 design which was itself based on the Aligned design. The statue group artwork makes Amalgamous looks more like his TF One design than his Aligned design. Vector Prime is just straight-up Cybertron Vector Prime. And Star Convoy was never one of the Thirteen in any version before now. Yet, all these disparately-sourced designs are being treated as if they all belong to the same group no matter what continuity they come from. So keeping them together as they are would just make it easier for us to not have to split hairs over which versions of which 13ers these are supposed to be when the answer would simply be "all of the above" (and we wouldn't have to put multiple entries of the same toy on, like, six or seven different characters' pages that would have to maintained equally across all of those pages). This model makes this particular version of the group feel inherently multiversal, with each member either originating from a different universe as each other, or being a multiversal hybrids comprised of different aspects of different versions of them from across the dimensions, as if Hasbro is trying to say that the AOTP versions represent *every* version of the Thirteen (minus Star Optimus, of course, since we know he's not a member in every version of this group). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::As somebody who's pushed for this split for a long time, I'm obviously all for it. I feel we can easily determine where the toys go based on their main inspirations (Fallen is G1 Dreamwave, Micronus is Aligned RID, etc) are or just make the links go to the G1 pages (since G1 is effectively the wastebasket taxon of this franchise anyway). For the FunPub stuff, we can either do it Sideways style or just do it like we do for Kre-O and ancillary stuff: place them based on the characterization/design used by the work. Multiversal Vector Prime is pretty much just Cybertron Vector Prime (and the TransTech incarnation from the last portion of AVP can be split out).
:::I am pretty much opposed to "subpages" because that is just duplicating the parentheses system we already have just for the sake of pedantry. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::Fully agree with both Escargon and Sabrblade, and their reasoning. I am biased against splits pretty much as a matter of cause, but the Thirteen ''in particular'' have for most of their history (including now, in the continuity-agnostic ''Age of the Primes!)'' been defined by their multiversal nature. I just don't think a split would be helpful. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::So we need to wait five years of more non-multiversal stories to have this discussion again? That doesn't make sense. The COP version of the Thirteen weren't characterized as singularities in the first place, regardless; only FunPub cared about that aspect (and not even with the usual lineup we have now) and they tossed it because they realized it was an unworkable concept in this franchise and it's unlikely to ever get resurrected. It's been nearly a decade since the Shroud (the concept only existed from 2009-2015). You bring up AOTP but toylines clearly don't and never thought about those characters in terms of our organizational schema. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I think we can probably leave the most of the old content together, since it might be a mess to split them apart and much of that content is based on the Covenant mythos anyway. I feel new iterations of the Thirteen (post-POTP?) should get their own pages, like ''Earthspark'' Quintus and the ''One'' Primes (particularly Megatronus since he's quite different). Though I suppose that begs the question of what to use in the parentheses for their current pages... —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::How much of it is actually sticking to the Covenant? IDW1 had them be regular guys and some pre-Covenant stuff (notably Megatronus/Fallen) is more prominent for the character and not really compatible. Other Aligned stuff has also influenced other "continuity families", but we're not merging those articles, so I don't really see why this is different regarding the Thirteen. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I’m against splitting pages, mostly because The Thirteen haven’t had enough drastic and unique depictions of them to stop “breaking the rules” for them and give them split pages.
::> The Thirteen haven’t followed the traditional convention of “every character gets a new page for that universe’s depiction”, mostly because of the whole multiversal singularity issue. Now while that concept isn’t used in fiction anymore, ''Age of the Primes'' seems to lean towards having a standard, continuity-agnostic depiction of the Thirteen from which future teams can use as the foundation of their depictions.
::> Escargon and Sabrblade make some good points regarding subpages, particularly with the example of the standard '''“Primus = God”''' and '''Rung (G1)''' incarnations. Rung is a distinct and unique take on the Primus character whose backstory is incompatible with virtually every other Primus incarnation, so placing him on the same page as the Primus of the Marvel Comics, or Cybertron, or the Aligned continuity, wouldn’t seem right.
::> ''The Covenant of Primus'' has been the foundation of every depiction of the Thirteen since it was released. Certain things might be modified, such as the 2005 IDW’s take on them, but even those Primes still follow certain story beats: Megatronus kills Solus, Liege Maximo is a manipulator, Prima’s role as the leader and his conflict with Megatronus, etc. ''One'' offers a depiction of the Thirteen who don’t enter a War of the Primes situation, but because we don’t really get any more information about them besides how they died, I wouldn’t say that they’re distinct enough or important enough to warrant their own pages.
::> Then there’s the fact that a lot of the Primes either have had very small roles or haven’t had any real importance to the franchise in several years: '''Micronus'''’s last big role was a few episodes in ''Robots in Disguise'' and a clever tie-in to the Microspace of the 2005 IDW universe. '''Onyx'''’s only big role was in the ''Covenant'', mostly thanks to '''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|this guy]]''' taking his place in another universe. Onyx has a few mentions in ''Cyberverse'', but I don’t think that alone should be the reason for splitting his page up. '''Nexus Prime''' and '''Vector Prime''' haven’t really done anything notable since the Shroud. '''Solus Prime''' has seen some prominence thanks to IDW's Caminus and ''Power of the Primes'', but those depictions again don’t stray too far from the ''Covenant''. '''Amalgamous Prime''' has had virtually no exploration as a character. The most we’ve gotten for him is a much easier-to-look-at design in ''One''.
::> Character-wise, story-wise… they’re all still heavily based on the ''Covenant''. Even '''Quintus Prime'''’s ''Earthspark'' depiction (with his more human-looking face) is based on his “Johnny Appleseed, made the Quintessons” lore established from the ''Covenant''. Now if we had a full group of the Thirteen from a Shattered Glass universe or had some “What-If?” incarnations of the characters that made them very different… splitting pages would make more sense to me.
::> A lot of the Thirteen have also maintained a consistent visual look to them since their introduction: all the Primes introduced in the Covenant have kept their look (Alchemist’s Lenses, Onyx’s face, Solus’ hair and color scheme), and every version of Megatronus seems to have a Decepticon insignia face, flames, and/or both. While ''One'' may have changed some color schemes (Liege Maximo missing his green), I don’t think just having a different color scheme and nothing else different warrants a new page.
::> I like the idea of conceptual history sections for now, and as I said on ''The Fallen''’s talk page, I think the beginning to his page needs a general rewrite from its “frozen in 2009” version. But until drastic new interpretations of those characters are created, if a member of the Thirteen has a single page… we should keep it as a single page --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Splitting them would simply be a bigger headache. They're rather like Primus and Unicron where they're "bigger picture" characters (only this time around designed ''very specifically'' to '''''be''''' as such) and it's best to treat them as such, and really, there's not enough material to BOTHER splitting for most of them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Since it's related to this subject, it should probably also be mentioned here that there have recently been two discussions happening on the talk page for [[The Fallen]]. One about changing that article's mainpic and the other about moving the page's name to Megatronus. As of now, nothing has come out of either discussion, but I feel the results of this a bigger discussion may have an effect on either of those two smaller ones. Speaking as one who is in favor of not splitting out the Thirteen, my thoughts on these two smaller topics are that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses still become The Fallen, but replace the mainpic with The Fallen's Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with arewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm going to second this. I've mulled it over a little bit and while there is an argument to be made for splitting them out, I feel that 12 of the 13 primes really don't warrant it. They just haven't had as much an impact on the story and while it could be future proofing to split them, until we get prominent appearances from them I don't think it's a viable option right now. Megatronus is clearly the exception to this rule. I don't know if there's a clean solution to dealing with him at the moment. Part of me thinks maybe we should suite out the Movie and RiD versions since those are his too big appearences to date. At the bare minimum though I think we should use either his Dreamwave or Age of Primes art as the mainpic. It's his first body and I think it's influenced more designs than his RoTF design has. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 22:57, 7 December 2024 (EST)

== Maybe we should consider our stance on leaks... ==

I know they suck, but considering how they happen and most the fandom tends to lap it up (at least on TFW and seibertron),us just kind of vehemently refusing to admit they happen feels a bit wrong now. Maybe we should retroactively start acknowledging when the figures got leaked when they're officially confirmed, instead of just pretending they don't exist, for completionists sake.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:41, 7 December 2024 (EST)

*Sometimes Hasbro affiliate wiki. No. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 20:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Absogoddamnlutely not. This site does not exist to give leakers clout. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:46, 7 December 2024 (EST)

Talk:The Fallen

2024-11-09T18:21:29Z

Ezim93:

[[File:RID-megatronussparkmerger.jpg|thumb|right|250px|unused image]]

That bit about how the Fallen was created by Pat Lee? In the latest edition of Wayward's [http://www.insecticons.com/insecticomics.html Insecticomics] it is said that it was actually Furman who created the character, that Lee just did the design. When I asked her about it, she posted this [http://p206.ezboard.com/fthepaddedcell71381frm19.showMessage?topicID=2995.topic&index=107 transcript] which backs that up. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

OK so I just left line in the trivia, cos I thought it was funny.
*So he's the henchman of a evil being, has mystical supernatural powers, is a badass and is on fire? Someone might want to file a law suit.

Can it stay or should I take it back down?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:33, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

..I don't even get that. [[User:AlwaysWrong|AlwaysWrong]] 22:44, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:It was removed, it contained a link to the wikipedia article for Ghost Rider[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:33, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

==Head==
Anyone notice that his head is very Soundwave-y? When i first saw him, i clearly recognized his head as soundwave's with added badassery.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 05:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

==Disambig time?==
http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=59522272-D56F-E112-4C783175A8BBBAD6

Ah-heh.

(SOMEBODY IN THAT MOVIE DAMN WELL BETTER BE ON FIRE.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

==Fallen, Bludgeon and Megs==

I don't know about Bludgeon, but there is a connection between the Fallen and Megs: IDW Megatron's Cybertronian body is based off of the Fallen, right down to the design of the Fusion Cannon. [[User:GWolfv2]] 21.07 June 11

== Defiance issue 4 Fallen's backstory ==

Defiance issue 4 is out. [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/revenge-of-the-fallen-prequel-comic-defiance-4-provides-potential-movie-spoilers-167267/ TFW2005.com has posted all the Fallen-relevant spoilers from issue 4, but beware, if you're avoiding Defiance, this spoils the Fallen's crazy scheme in the movie]. The backstory for the Fallen seems fairly different to the Fallen we know. So are they still the same guy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:56, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Still appears to be a member of the Thirteen, still appears to betray them, still apparently serves a force that devours planets/stars.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:12, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::But from what I understand of the "multiversal singularity" characters thing, there's just one Fallen, so the guy created by Primus who eventually serves Unicron is also a guy created by a Cube who serves nobody but himself and is building solar towers to replenish the Cube. Or is the currently-untold story of the 13 vague enough that this still works? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:20, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::It does seem pretty distinct. One's a "created by mighty power source, got selfish, betrayed his brothers, now want to kick off where things went wrong" other "created as a multiversal control for entrophy and warrior against Unicron. Switched sides. Most dangerous servant of the ultimate evil ever". [[User:Eire]] 21.21 Apr 8 2009 (UTC)
:I don't trust a 3rd party summary written by someone who may not fully understand the story to accurately represent what's actually in the story. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:44, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::In any case, I suspect we are probably going to need to wait to see what the movie itself has to say before making a decision on this. It may expand on what is presented in the comic, it may contradict it in some way, it could make it easier to tie this version in with the previous mythos or may firmly separate it, etc. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:54, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't think we would have to wait until the movie if the comic is fairly clear on the matter. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::::I think we do, because as I said, we have no way of knowing in advance how well the actual movie will line up with the comic. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:05, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:The Fallen is one thing, but what about definite "multiversal singularity" Primus? Does the AllSpark=Primus in the movieverse? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::The AllSpark has been designated a [[sacred implement]] in Japanese fiction.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 18:07, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::It is not uncommon for Transformers to have no knowledge of Primus or Unicron. For every world where they have a full-blown religion to fill them in, you have one where the Transformers have neither heard of either-- remember in [[The Transformers: The Movie]] Hot Rod and Kup had never even heard Unicron's name before. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
Did they not mention that the Fallen calls himself and his other pals "trans-dimensional beings"? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:48, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Not the mention [http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm this interview] affirming he's the original and was "banished to another dimension." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
::I think what they mean by that is that he's stuck in that stupid pylon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:15, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

==The Fallen gets Power Plans!==
[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/05/transformers-movie-universe-preview.html] Preview page from the upcoming DK Ultimate Movie Guide, which is totally written by Furman. It establishes a few important things. The Fallen is an "omniversal tyrant." He betrayed his fellow Primes to serve the source of his new "chaotic" powers "from the very birth of the universe," forces which seek to replace morality with a "void." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:If Nimoy is cast as him, it will be the second time in his career that he'll be playing some sort of servant of Unicron. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

== Subject Seperation ==

Will you make a separate page the live action version of the Fallen? --Some Random User guy {{unsigned|69.230.53.229|00:50, May 20, 2009 EDT}}
:As we far as we know, the Fallen is a multi-dimensional being that can... you get the picture. If this Fallen is established as a seperate being, then maybe.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 01:01, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::And as seen in Walky's post above this, the DK guide establishes the Fallen as an "Omniversal tyrant". That more or less means the Fallen is one of those characters who can travel between dimensions, and there's only one of him. Thus, we consider ROTF Fallen to be the same guy as Dreamwave comics Fallen, unless the movie says otherwise (and it obviously won't). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::Despite the brain-bending problems this creates with the other 12, yes. Are they all birthed by the AllSpark then? That's not what The Ultimate Guide says... (We'll figure it out. Expect the backpedaling, qualifications and clarifications to begin trickling in this fall.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:15, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::You know, the movie universe could have two individuals named the Fallen. I mean, it's not a real name, but rather a sort of title, right? Why couldn't the omniversal tyrant and some douchebag that came from the AllSpark live in the same universe? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:26, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::'''Two''' dimension-hopping flaming ancient Primes who discarded their name in favor of being called "The Fallen" after betraying their 12 fellow Primes, the oldest of Transformers?
:::We already have the Covenant and the Thirteen. Don't make this ''more'' complicated. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I personally think they should be seperated. I mean, he's been trapped in that relic, or whatever it exactly is, for a really long time. How could he of shown up in the IDW series? And, the other 12 sacrificed themselves, so, how could they exist either? -[[User:VakamaMetruNui|VakamaMetruNui]] 09:29, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::::(The Dreamwave series, not the IDW series.) That's really easy to explain. The DW Fallen was also trapped in a dimension, same as the Movie one. He was able to break free of it due to a space bridge accident, and was apparently banished back to it by Primus. (He would have returned if DW hadn't gone bankrupt, so he wasn't dead.) Who knows how time and space work in there. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:11, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Unicron keeps showing up in new places yet always gets defeated in more or less the same way; why should his gothy wanna-be have it any better? Since his "real" origin was as a creation of Primus, perhaps the entire Movie AllSpark / Movie Original 13 was something the Fallen himself put together later--he tried his own hand at being a god, while actually not claiming credit for it but just inserting himself among the lineup, like Keyser Soze. Or maybe he used his woowoo omniversal magic to sense that some other god was about to create the AllSpark, and then he twisted the whole process to his own ends. Who knows. And if all that sounds like a deus-ex-machina, remember that that is LITERALLY what he is. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:24, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|right|thumb|100px|What dimension did this happen in? The movie-verse? Not necessarily.]]
::::::I think splitting the page of a known dimension-hopper goes against common sense. Without a really good reason, of course. I don't think there is a good reason yet. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:47, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::At BotCon 2009, Hasbro copy-writer Forest Lee stated once again (at the Collectors' Club panel) that the Original 13 are all multiversal singularities. Apparently the upcoming movie hasn't changed his mind! So let's hold on to our current setup for the time being. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:11, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::He didn't state this before, IIRC he stated that they were ''probably'' Multiversal singularities before.
::::::::Do you or anyone (Steve) have an exact working on his statement this weekend? It's worth citing it on the 13 page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:52, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::I don't, no. And Steve-o wasn't there this weekend, so we are without his meticulous information-gathering. He did specifically say that the original 13 were multiversal singularities, though. It was in response to someone asking if Shattered Glass The Fallen would be icy. Forest said that as one of the 13, The Fallen doesn't have any multiverse counterparts. There's just one of him, the same as Vector Prime and the others. (Trent noted that he liked to believe that if the Fallen were to ever wander into the Shattered universe, his flames would turn to ice, much to his confusion.)--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:53, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
Is there evidence that supports ROTF Fallen is the same as the character in The War Within?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:20, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
:Evidence in the form of fictional stories? No. Apparently not. It is all shadow evidence as far as I can tell. Word of mouth at conventions and [[Hasbro Q&A/July 2009: Answers|a Hasbro Q&A]]. Should the wiki hang its hat on such shadow evidence? Or would the "multiversal singularity" thing be better put in the "notes" section until it shows up in fiction? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:53, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
::If this Wiki wants to wait on merging Alpha Trions I suggest your side doesn't split the G1, UT, ROTF and Prime versions of Prima, Megatronus, Liege or Vector. And it wouldn't call it shadow evidence considering Megatronus explicitly described his brothers as able to traverse dimensions, or Vector and Nexus being the sole versions of those characters flying about the timelines. "[[Reunification: Part 5|All Cybertrons are yours.]]" [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:15, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== Movie altmode ==

FYI: If we get Hasbro photography depicting a toy with an altmode (we have!) and the paragraph in question is describing that toy, then ''the presence of said altmode is officially confirmed''. I don't know under what logic you can say otherwise.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 20:10, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:Remember Scorponok's robot mode? I believe the debate is whether or not The Fallen's vehicle mode was something invented for the toyline. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 20:48, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
::Except the altmode description was removed from the toy section. The toy has an altmode. Plain as day. Thus the section describing that toy ought to mention said altmode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:07, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Ah, right then. Well... most of what I said can be salvaged, assuming this argument comes up outside the toy section. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 21:14, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

== Decepticon symbol ==

I see there is a Decepticon symbol on The Fallen's page for a long while, is this something related to his toy(s)? Thanks. (I can't reach my Titanium Fallen now, so... ) --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 11:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
: His ROTF toy packaging consistently labels him a Decepticon. He helped Megatron START the Decepticon faction in the live-action continuity. And the Decepticon faction symbol is based on his face. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:35, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:::So it is really due to the ROTF. Thanks. ;-D --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 12:55, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

::What they said.
::I notice the Beast-machines Dinobots symbol links to the Dinobots disambig page-- was it used tor the Wal-Mart Dinobots as well? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:56, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

==Mainpic==
When the Wikia site comes up on Google, it also has a secondary link, which is their version of this page. Our secondary link is [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|''Animated'']], which is unfortunately now a bit less relevant than theirs. (Notably, they've even rebranded their site to have a Movie look.) Happily, our [[The Fallen]] is much better than theirs because we've expanded the DW section, and they still haven't written ANYTHING about the prequel comics. Plus, y'know, there's [[:Image:WikiaAdInsert_TheFallen.jpg|the stuff that made us leave in the first place]]. But in the interests of sealing the relevancy deal, I suggest we change the mainpic to be The Fallen's ROTF body. That way even at a GLANCE a viewer can see which one is more up-to-date. What do you all think? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:23, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:I support this. We've got good promo renders of it. Let's do it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:29, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:Sounds good to me, I say go for it. Maybe change it back when the movie buzz fades down, but for now, yeah, totally. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:44, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Heh, so they merged the articles back. TX55 was an editor here. Doesn't he notice the borked layout of the images? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

===New main pic===
[[Image:ROTF The Fallen promotional 1.jpg|thumb|right|250px|You dare photograph me?! I am a a Prime!]]
Swap the current one for a promotional shot from [[Josh Nizzi]]'s website? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:58, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
:Naw, I prefer the one we have now. Flashier. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:12, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

==Grargh fiction==
Do we really need to separate out his various DK Ultimate Guide and Titanium information into their own little sections. Can't we throw those into the beginning of the Dreamwave continuity section and cite them appropriately? This page is now a real friggin' chore to read and understand. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:58, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, it sorta feels like it's... out of order. Cause, it is. Fictionally. I mean, I grok what Jackpot has done - he's put it in publication order, which I know is an approach that he's generall favoured in the past, but to me, it just doesn't "read" right. (Also, I am totally about to ruin the "he is on fire" joke. Watch me go!) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:05, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
::I feel a little weird about combining them like that, but I don't full-on object. I don't think there's ever been precedent for putting toy-bio info into a comic-series summary, but in this case there was clearly intent behind the bio to make it mesh, and there are no variant ''War Within'' "continuities." All I can do is note that it's unorthodox and move along.
::Oh, and Walky, thanks for restoring the continuity-family headers. My theory is that since our default organizational model is to separate our articles based on continuity family, whenever we break that "rule," we should call it out.
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:49, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

==Really not buying the 'multiversal singularity' thing here==
Recently, I saw the new movie and....... I don't see how it could possibly be the same character as in Dreamwave's comics.
Not only is his entire backstory different, but his motives also seem different and the film also makes mention that The Fallen was a member of 8 original leaders (if I remember correctly), as opposed to 13.
Not to mention his radically different appearance (the other 'multiversal singularities' at least all looked alike) and abilities.

Unless the writers find a way of explaining how this could be possible, I don't see how it makes any form of sense.
:The fact it's 8 and not 13 is the first sign that the writers ''intend'' to explain it. They're backpedaling away from making it "The 13" because it creates ''way'' to many problems.
:We all basically agree that it makes not sense now, but this ('''very''' last-minute) change strongly indicates that it ''will'' make sense, and that Hasbro's story-gurus has finally figured out how they intend to make it fit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:33, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::I seriously doubt that Hasbro's story-gurus had any imput whatsoever on the contents of the movie itself. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:35, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, I think that rather than being The 'Multiversal Singularity' Fallen, The (ROTF) Fallen is just a 'fallen' Prime who is subsequently and coincidentally called "The Fallen". He happens to have the same name, like Prowl, Prowl, Prowl, Prowl and Prowl.[[Special:Contributions/218.214.49.189|218.214.49.189]] 21:02, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::::That's nice, but Hasbro's packaging bio writer is saying that's not the case. Thus we have to go with what he says. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:09, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
So... Doesn't this mean that since he died in the movie, he has died in all universes forever, since he is a "multiversal singularity"?[[Special:Contributions/76.251.230.101|76.251.230.101]] 19:59, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:When a multiversal singularity "dies" in one universe, he'll reappear in another universe --[[Special:Contributions/72.64.107.124|72.64.107.124]] 20:02, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::I've seen that idea expressed on the Wiki before, but I've never seen a source for it. Basically... says who? In fact, most of what we "know" about multiversal singularities comes not from the fiction itself, but from creator comments. I don't agree with putting [[authorial intent]] on that high a pedestal, especially when its results are flat-out nonsensical. I think that at best, author-intent should get a Note, not define central aspects of how we describe characters. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:16, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Hear hear! Besides, saying that a character is a multiuniversal singularity only lasts until someone else says he's not. Then we get a weird state of 'he's mostly a multiuniversal singularity, except where he isn't' situation. I think this sort of notion warrants about as much consideration as a Madman DVD book saying that Cyclonus categorically was Skywarp - we note it, then we go on with the rest of our lives. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:37, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::There's at least some indication that Mowry and Furman are going to attempt to reconcile the multiversal singularity thing, or at least hang a lampshade on it and run with it, in [[Transformers: Tales of the Fallen|Tales of the Fallen]]. We may get our answer soon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:09, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::''saying that a character is a multiuniversal singularity only lasts until someone else says he's not''
:::::Bingo. No matter how much people might like Forrest's ideas, it's just as much "authorial intent" whenever anybody else at Hasbro or IDW or Bay's workshop says something that contradicts him. We know he's multiversal, or "omniversal," whatever, because one of the movie guidebooks says so. I try not to think too hard about the "13-whoops-7-Primes" clusterfuck. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:48, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think the idea of Multiversal Singularities dieing in one universe and appearing in another has 2 sources: 1) Unicron - He's a multiversal singularity and this is demonstrably how he works, and 2) Vector Prime - After his death in the UT he's seen again in the final credits battling Galvatron again. Granted it's supposition, but I think that's the basis for the idea.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 21:22, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Unicron's many deaths constitute one of the reasons why the multiversal-singularity idea is generally thought to be nonsensical. The idea that he "respawns" every time he's destroyed is a rationalization somebody here came up with; it's never been shown to ''happen'' in the fiction. And Vector Prime's case barely applies; he wasn't destroyed the way Unicron or The Fallen were; he just permanently phased outside of normal time because he overexerted his temporal powers. It was presumably in this non-time limbo that he battled Galvatron again, and where he will be forever. Ultimately, I think Rosicrucian's right: We should wait until "Tales of the Fallen" comes out before we make any hard-and-fast calls on the subject. But I've [[Talk:Unicron#"Respawning"?|long thought]] that we should be more rigorous about letting the fiction alone define "multiversal singularity" instead of the authors, and I'll be more than happy if future information radically changes what we think it means. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:43, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::The bio for TRU-excl. Universe Unicron says he travels through multiple dimensions and that whenever he dies he comes back to life. I don't think it says he has to be reobrn in a different dimension than the one he just died in, but honestly, once they've officialized and published the "multidimensionality and immortality" aspect, precisely where he is at ANY given moment in any life doesn't matter. But that's just Unicron--there's nothing as cut-and-dried in published form for the rest of them, I don't think. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:08, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Ah, that's interesting. Let's [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2856639219_b4fb44b44e.jpg?v=0 take a look]... Hm, it actually sounds more like Vector Prime's existence than the hoppity-hop-from-universe-to-universe model that's been the wiki party line. Unicron "floats through the non-space between dimensions, reaching out with his sensors to find the universe with the most energy. Those dimensions he finds suitable, he consumes." Also, "He has been defeated or destroyed countless times, yet he always returns [...] for [...] He is evil incarnate, and as long as there is evil, there is Unicron." It sounds like, whereas Vector Prime is stuck outside of time and can only send messages (or swords) into the timestream, Unicron can actually manifest himself in a very real and devastating way. But they share some essential transcendent nature, which to me is a bit more sensical than the more linear model. I read it to mean that basically he can keep coming back because he's always got one foot outside of normal space-time, and destroying a specific incarnation will never be enough. It's not a full "death." Plus he's got that strange relation to the concept of evil, which is backed up in the ''Armada'' cartoon when only Galvatron's death and the resulting end of the war could destroy him. As you say, I don't know how this would apply to The Fallen or others, but one thing at a time... - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:06, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It's not particularly relevant, but I just want to point out that Vector Prime ''did'' actually die, in the sense that his linear lifespan came to an end point. He continues to exist because ''prior'' to his death, he spent most of his existence outside of the timestream, and since time has no meaning there, he will ''always'' be there, watching and guiding. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:55, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

== Change of appearance ==

From TF; The Movie Universe
{{quote|The Fallen butchered and betrayed his brother Primes, disowning his given name in favor of one befitting his new, terrifying appearance.|<u>[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe]]</u> p86|"The Fallen"}}
Late intot he game, we have the idea that The Fallen may have changed his appearance. (And since his appearance is really no different than the other Primes... it begs the question what the hell this is talking about.)

Oh, and Walky was wondering abotu the curiously-regular panes of transparent plastic on The Fallen toy's shoulders... accordign to the guidebook, he has "Energon Distribution arcs" in his shoulders-- I think they're actually supposed to represent some sort of energy blade. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:44, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

== Unreliable narrator ==

So I saw the ROTF film. It really doesn't clash with the Multiversal Singularity thing too bad... it's Defiance that's the real problem. And I'm beginning to think that Definace just had a ''serious'' case of "unreliable narrator."

Let's assume (for a moment) that the Fallen ''was'' lying about parts of his backstory to Megatron. He certainly didn't mention Primus or Unicron (so we know he left stuff out) and we know he was snowing Megatron about making him a Prime (something you apparently have to be born to in the Movieverse.) He's ALREADY demonstrably lying, so lets throw out everything he said about his own origins, and assume he's actually the same dimension-hopping spanish-speaking nutjob we know and love-- what would the universe 'look' like?

Logically, The Fallen {{redact|''traveled'' to this universe and integrated himself with it-- somehow convincing the six Founding Primes of the universe that he was one of them. He then secretly endeavored to murder them all, destroy the Earth and seize ultimate power for himself using the sun harvester.}}

Of course, if this was '''actually''' what happened, and The Fallen is lying... you'd expect there to be some ''indicator['' of this in the IDW comics.

[[Image:Ros03 cuberitual.png|thumb|250px]]
Oh hey, look at that! It's the ancient illustration Starscream was trying to replicate in "Reign of Starscream"! The ''only'' piece of evidence from the era of the original Primes that ''doesn't'' come from our Unreliable Narrator. And what does it show?
{{redact|'''Six''' Primes surrounding the AllSpark cube as it is renewed by the Sun Harvester. '''Not''' seven.}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:55, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:As much as I really want to make this all work, I don't know if I want to go the Unreliable Narrator route. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:18, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::Neither do I... but if IDW chooses to quietly change the 13 primes to the 7 in their Movie Spotlight books... at ''that'' point the Fallen's retelling of history becomes much more actively wrong, and this bit from Reign of Starscream fits quite nicely.
::I figured it was worth highlighting as a possibility. It wouldn't be appropriate to present it as "fact" until IDW gets a crack at it. (It seems almost inevitable that there are Retcons Comings.) But i was pleased to discover that there's at least one ''fairly'' clean way here to make things more-or-less fit, and it ties into some pre-established continuity arond Starscream's plan with the [[Replica AllSpark]], which is a definite plus in terms of making the change less jarring. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:27, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Your way probably works better than my "the other 6 Primes were busy." But still, that's fanon until Forest Lee gets a crack at it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::...That leaves me a little worried that we're putting our hopes on IDW. Especially since they caused quite a few of the problems. And lets not even get into their record of continuity consistency in okaying [[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:34, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::But '''nothing''' the movies is 100% consistent with one another. Did you notice Leo mentioned the big fight from the 2007 movie took place in '''L.A.'''? And the IDW comics aren't in continuity with the ''first'' movie in a strict sense either-- Reign of starscream dedicated a page to re-doing the "gathering of the 'cons" from the dfirst movie ''just'' so they could assert "no, he's called BRAWL damnit." Or the helicopter being shot down over <strike>Afganistan</strike> America.
:::::Frankly, I think think the wiki would be best off is we weaned ourselves of this tendency to present the IDW comics as somehow "the primary continuity." They're definitely bound up tightly with the movies... but they ''aren't'' in perfect continuity with them-- and it's not just oddities, it's outright deliberate contradiction, like the Brawl thing. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:57, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Until I get an official reasoning to change continuity flow of various fiction, I'd rather leave the articles as they are. Brawl thing - who cares, really? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:36, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::By which you mean "structured differently than every other fiction section on the wiki." ;)
:::::::(I'm not really pushing for the restructure either. Just talking in general terms.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm set in my ways, dagnabbit. Yeah, the movie kind of started the movement of supporting fiction such as comic books and novels more or less directly being in continuity with the primary fiction, something we saw later in Animated. As opposed to the traditional TF method of having comics and cartoons and books all going in completely different directions. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:26, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

::::You've got it backwards. The Mowry-penned stuff has some of the best internal consistency of the entire continuity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 00:37, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Right, Mowry was foreshadowing the RotF plot in the second issue of Reign of Starscream, before ''anything'' had leaked. And he seems to have a pretty clear idea where almost ''every'' character "was" before and after the war, how they're related to one another, etc. He also did a ''lot'' of ground work to make the game drones fit right. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:57, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Voyager toy ==

The Voyager toy has slidable gauntlets, shinguards, and some kind of firey thing under the shinguards, but none of these are called out in the instructions, or seem to serve any point in either mode. Should this be mentioned in the article, and if not, does anyone know what the deal with them is?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:50, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== "saturn"? ==

Especially because the novel specifically says it's not Saturn, can we get rid of this? Unless it was revealed in an interview or on a toy bio or something, all the movie shows is that it's on the moon of a ringed planet - without specifically identifying it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:22, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:I think it has to be Saturn unless it is a plot hole. Megatron just flies there in about a day or so. It has to be in the solar system, I think. Megatron was never shown to have a personal space bridge like Jetfire. Can Megatron travel faster-than-light? Possibly, but the space bridge seems to be this universe's faster-than-light technology. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:57, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::I recall seeing something about how Megatron can travel interstellar distances, but that he's supposed to be one of the few Transformers who can. Additionally, we see the Decepticons travel to Earth in transition form, implying that they are coming from somewhere in the solar system. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:59, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, Megatron can travel interstellar distances, but in a day or two? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:02, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::::And return with Starscream and Grindor? And have The Fallen and a buttload of new Hatchlings arrive not soon after? They can't be lightyears away. That'd basically be Yet Another Plothole. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::According to the Ultimate Guide, The Fallen actually can do something like a space bridge, so wouldn't it be possible for the Fallen to have brought them to the final battle? Unless the Fallen can only do personal transport.
:::::For Grindor, though, do we know he was actually on the Nemesis?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:47, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::I thought someone might suggest that about The Fallen, so I didn't argue that point. I think that if he has the ability to space bridge armies across interstellar distances I would wonder why he would need the Nemesis at all. Starscream also made it to the Nemesis but he had a little longer, he could have hailed a space taxi or something. I think the movie strongly implies the Decepticons traveled by protoform from a relatively short distance and landed on the aircraft carriers. Even The Fallen. He seems to have traveled by protoform. Maybe space bridging long distances uses too much energy? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:13, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::"Saturn" appears to have a nebula in the background in the movie.
:::::::Which means that unless you can provide a cite for it being Saturn, it's not Saturn. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:51, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

==Power of a Prime?==
Why is that important? --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 20:15, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:Why is pointing out the differences between the film itself and its adaptations important? Is that what you're asking? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:19, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:Why IS information about a Transformer in a Transfomers wiki important, I wonder? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:The novel and comics are similar enough to the movie that they don't merit their own sections on the page, so the few significant differences that DO crop up need to go SOMEWHERE. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 20:53, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

==Main Pic==

Since the standard practice to to have the main image use the body the character first appeared in, rather than their most recent or more well known, shouldn't the main pic here be his Dreamwave body? [[User:Eire]] 23.45 18 Aug 09 (UTC)
:In this case it was changed so that movie visitors wouldn't reach the page and go "who the hell is this guy?" as well as to visually distinguish our article from Wikia's.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 19:25, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

==Leader Class==

I found a clip on Youtube about a Leader class The Fallen toy. It's extremely close to the CGI version in design and look and it comes with a staff. I think it's a fanmade one, but it's definitely worth noticing. I have proof. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q142a9Fl9_c]--[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 09:49, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
: Yeah, that's a custom by FrenzyRumble. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

== Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg ==

OK, who put that there? The Fallen isn't even on it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:07, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
: Read the caption and come back to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:09, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::I just wasted two seconds on reading a caption which I have already memorized, and another ten on checking the image again. The Fallen is NOT on the image. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:19, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::...yes he is. See the guy behind Vector Prime? His silhouette matches The Fallen's. Pay special attention to the little spikey hangy-things on his crotch, plus the shape of his head. And don't talk to ME about wasting time. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:21, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::::My bad. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:26, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

== Unable to edit ==
I noticed that I am unable to edit The Fallen page why is that. Also I thing the sarcophagus should have its own link and that it should be edited to make it more appropiate. --[[User:Naruotfox94|Narutofox94]] 10:04, 14 November 2009

== Lawson Exclusive EZ Fallen??? ==

Just noticed the pic of the 'Lawson exclusive' EZ figure.

Apparently the version of EZ Fallen released in the 2-pack with Soundwave was actually the standard US version, and the Takara-Tomy picture was incorrect. Unless anyone has an official source (in-hand pictures, on-line sales listings etc) that says the Japanese version of the Legends figure is any different from the US colours, I'd recommend deleting this photo. [[Special:Contributions/213.123.203.109|213.123.203.109]] 09:03, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:... that doesn't make any sense. If we don't have any in-hand photos, how do we know it's the SAME as the US release? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:10, 1 December 2009 (EST)
::So what you're saying is that we have this exclusive Legends Fallen, now released in Japan. You'd think it might show up ''somewhere''? But there's not a squeak of it on YouTube, on eBay, or for that matter ANY Transformers retailer or website you can care to name (trust me, I've checked). I realise it's supposedly an exclusive, but I can't think of another occasion in all my years of collecting when a figure's been commercially released and yet NO-ONE has seen it. As I say, I think it's just a bad photograph.

::Also, note that the two supposed 'exclusives' in this Lawson offer were Mudflap and The Fallen... which haven't actually been released in Japan as part of the main EZ line (nor have they been announced as forthcoming). So it would make sense that these are the standard US versions, which were Lawson store exclusives in Japan. Just like how ROTF Deluxes Dead End, Swerve and Stalker Scorponok were on general sale in the US but store exclusives in Japan.

::I seem to recall pictures of Takara Deluxe Ravage and Voyager Mixmaster with different paint apps too (extra purple on Ravage and a different coloured head on Mixmaster) - yet both releases ended up the same as their US counterparts. Early photos of the Takara combiner Devastator (shown in Hyber Hobby and Dengeki Hobby) has the US grey face that was later changed to red in Japan. We now know that the Deluxe red Rampage has a movie-accurate silver shovel, not the red one we saw in the early pictures. My point here is that promotional photos are notoriously unreliable.

::I realise I'm on shaky ground here - It's very difficult to prove something ''doesn't'' exist. But I think at the very least the point should be made on the page that this so-called redeco has never - to anyone's knowledge - been sighted outside of a low-res photo on the Takara website. And possibly never will.[[Special:Contributions/91.104.167.124|91.104.167.124]] 13:55, 7 December 2009 (EST)
:::This strikes me as a question that would easily be resolved if we had actual contact with the Japanese fanbase.... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:01, 7 December 2009 (EST)
::::OK, after a bit of research, I've discovered that the US and Japanese versions of these legends are IDENTICAL. There are pictures on TFW2005 (I think you need to be a member to sign into the forums) [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/281376-rotf-takara-v-hasbro-comparisons.html] So this page ''does'' need to be changed, as does Mudflap's.[[Special:Contributions/91.104.167.124|91.104.167.124]] 17:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Page Quote ==

To be fair... whether or not it should be changed to LesterX's idea, the current quote does suck. It says pretty much zero about the Fallen's personality or motivation or purpose or anything. All it says is that he's from some past time period, which is true of every 13 member. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:21, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:I never was crazy about it but it does do a good job of summing up a pretty major aspect of the character. I'm gonna go through all his comic appearances and have a look for a better one (can't think of one from the movie) [[User:Eire]] 00.00 Jan 08 2009 (UTC)
::Change the top quote all you want, but "kali ma" is so not going away for another damn "Give me your face" joke. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:05, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:::No argument from me on ''that'' regard. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:14, 7 January 2010 (EST)

==Separate==
I recommend that this page be split into two different pages, as the backgrounds differ. (I would type in a label, but the thing won't let me) [[User:Cold Rod|Cold Rod]] 16:23, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
: I recommend you learn what [[multiversal singularity]] means. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:38, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
::Of which the movie version is not. [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 12:41, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::I would like to laugh at this, because do you see that big pile of text on [[multiversal singularity]]? That was taken from a Hasbro response ABOUT SPECIFICALLY MOVIE THE FALLEN. The original question was "If The Fallen is a multiversal singularity, how can we reconcile these various different movie-originated versions of him, like in the novelization and childrens storybooks?" And then we got that answer. So to say that the answer does not pertain to movie The Fallen betrays a monumental ignorance of the subject at hand. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:11, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Prove it. According to Hasbro multiversal singularities can have different backgrounds in different universes and still be the SAME character. Confusing, but true. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::So they look exactly the same then? they have the same background? [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 12:56, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Somebody sign this guy up for a course in logic. Or at least ENGLISH. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:58, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::Seriously, read the [[multiversal singularity]] page. Specifically "multiversal dynamics". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:00, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::You said '''can''', not '''do'''. There's a difference. '''Can''' means possibly. '''Do''' means certainly. It doesn't prove their one and the same. The one bathed in fire isn't a Decepticon. In addition, Teletraan 1 (the other wiki) split theirs. [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 13:05, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Then go annoy them and leave us alone. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:08, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Besides, the other wiki is pretty much abandoned by this community. They're now almost independent. Not only that, but I'm pretty sure Hasbro said they were the same character. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 13:09, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yes, can. The Fallen has different backgrounds in different universes, but is still a singularity. Other singularities have the same background in different universes. Thus, singularities CAN have different backgrounds. Also, what Teletraan 1 does is not an argument that will go over well here. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:10, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::To cut a long story short, we're treating them as the same because Hasbro writer [[Forest Lee]], who's basically responsible for all the multiversal singularity stuff, ''says they are'', and has offered an explanation for how that works. And yes, kindly refrain from holding up ''anything'' Teletraan-1 does as a basis for how we should do things. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:22, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::I thank the other wiki a billion times for separating their Fallen pages, because Google sure likes our page way better now! (and that was fairly immediate) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:07, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Google still prefers Wikia if you add "Transformers" to your search terms for "The Fallen", at least from what I can tell. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:18, 27 May 2010 (EDT)

== Multiversal Clean Up ==

Some people's stubborn refusals to understand his nature aside, I think the article as written right now might contain a few too many "artifacts" from when we were still rather unsure of the Fallen's Multiversal Singularity status and how it worked. The "Origin" section for instance seems to exist entirely to present his differing origins as being a conflict while not mentioning at all that Hasbro's explanation on how singularities work explains any conflict away.

I think the page could use a slight "refresh" (the Origin section especially) to really make it clearer that all the differing apperences, actions, and even origins are all part and parcel of how a mulitversal singularity works and not mistakes or continuity conflicts.

Didn't want to try to touch/alter such a potentially controversial article without feeling people out on the idea first though. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

:Anyone have any real feelings on this one way or another? If no, I may attempt a clean up as discribed above in the near future. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 13:03, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
::I'm inclined that it gets a "refresh", given the "stubborn refusals to under his nature". MUL-TI-VERSE, how hard is it to understand? Oy. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:39, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::What is this 'multiverse' of which you speak? Is that a breakfast cereal?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:44, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
::::A wonderful porridge filled with all the vitamins and minerals (some necessary, some superfluous, and some bad for the waistline) for growing protoforms, from the same company that produces Garbage O's! :B --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:49, 27 May 2010 (EDT)

==Megatronous Prime==
Where the hell did the person who put The Fallen's real name as Megatronous Prime? Which comic or whatever included his real name did that person learn that?
:I believe it was mentioned in the [[Transformers: Exodus|Exodus novel]]. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::I wonder if that's a reference to the Covenant of Primus... "I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. I am that which is, which was, and is yet to come...and you will know my name is Megatron when I lay my vengeance upon you!" Sounds like it could be about the Fallen to me. If that's the case, other Megatrons may have named themselves after him to show how hardcore they are. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:58, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

===Appearance===
Dark, Decepticon symbol face, did he look like Soundblaster? Considering that [[Logos Prime|Soundblaster]] might or might not be one of the 13, feels like an odd coincidence. I guess we'll have to wait to find out if that actually means anything. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:43, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:No. He looked like this squat, ornately-carved boxy monstrosity whose whole body vaguely looked like a 'Con symbol, the face much moreso, with a big right-arm cannon. Hasbro said in a previous Q&A answer that we should not assume Logos Prime is one of the 13. I would not be surprised if that character never matters again. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:09, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::Considering Logos Prime can alter his appearance at will, and that Soundblaster is only one of those forms, Logos Prime can basically be any of the other 13 that he wants. Hell, maybe he's the Fallen. </fanon> --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:36, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I put up this section hoping for it to turn out that way. I think I should maybe discuss this on a messageboard. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Was it [http://t4ak.roblox.com/daaf9f4eb9b33f115661eb4a7c849007 this?] --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 15:17, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

==Megatronus vs Megatronus Prime==
When Hasbro did their Thirteen concept art presentation at BotCon, pre-The Fallen was just "Megatronus" rather than "Megatronus Prime". I assume this was intentional, as the only Thirteener to otherwise have "Prime" as part of his name in the line-up was Vector Prime. I don't know how this factoid should be incorporated, though. Just in Notes? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:07, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

== Life support chair ==

Where did this info come from? It wasn't clarified in the movie.--[[Special:Contributions/96.54.128.212|96.54.128.212]] 16:49, 23 December 2010 (EST)

== A little request ==

Can we have some notes to compare and contrast Fallen's tie-in IDW comics, game, and promo-render forms with the one presented in the final movie? Or at least, can someone explain to me here on this talk page? I know they're different...but I just can't put my finger on how (probably because of the drought of good full body screencaps of him in ROTF) and it's kind of bugged me for a while now. - [[User:Tyrannolodon|Tyrannolodon]] 11:09, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

== Disciples vs. Apostles ==

''"If the first Transformers were Cybertron's '''disciples''', then The Fallen is its Judas."'' I changed this to "apostles" a short time ago, and my edit was undone with this message as accompaniment: ''"The reference is to''' Jesus' twelve disciples'''. Not all of them became apostles, and not all apostles had been disciples."'' I believe there is a confusion here between "apostle" ("one who is sent forth") and "disciple" (student). The apostles were Jesus' twelve chosen: Peter, Andrew, James the Greater, John, Phillip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the Lesser, Thaddeus, Simon, and Judas (Judas was later replaced by Matthias, and the title was also granted to Paul and Barnabas). The disciples were simply the followers of Jesus: the first Christians. Since this page refers to the Twelve, the reference should say "apostle." And if anyone wants a source for all this (other than my Catholic upbringing), I'll list the Bible, CatholicAnswers, and my religion teacher (a Dominican sister who DEFINITELY knows what she is talking about). Sorry for the religion lesson, but I'm 99.9% sure that "apostle" is the right word here.
:-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] - 2:30 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
::You must not have listened carefully. Judas Iscariot was a disciple of Jesus, but he was never an apostle. Because he was not sent forth to teach after Jesus death and resurrection. At least that's the way it was explained in the Baptist Churches I grew up in.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:36, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::The only part of Judas sent forth was his intestines. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:44, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:Does that really apply anymore anyway? There is now the [[Liege Maximo|Liege Maximo]] so there would be two Judases. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:51, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::I'm still wondering if there is any actual evidence (the two being specifically mentioned as being somewhere at the same time for instance) that The Fallen isn't the Liege Maximo. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:52, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Uh, the relevant panels at the last two BotCons? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:52, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::What exactly was said at the panels, what I've heard didn't sound definitive. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:58, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::What was said is "This is The Liege Maximo. He's one of the 13. Here is Megatronus Prime, another member of the 13. Later, Megatronus Prime becomes this guy, The Fallen." Each of those three entities had their own art. Liege Maximo looked drastically different from Megatronus/Fallen. And... I'm pretty sure The Fallen isn't going to be two different members of the 13. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:27, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::Okay, that is clear. Given that it was stated that they are separate, my question is invalidated. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:19, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
I beg to differ, [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]]: he was sent forth '''before''' Jesus' death. [http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/luke/passage.aspx?q=luke+9:1-6 Luke 9:1-6] gives one account of this. Judas was one of the Twelve, AKA the apostles. Also, hee hee... intestines.
:-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 3:01 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
::I'm not arguing that he wasn't sent forth before Jesus's death, I'm arguing that "the apostles" are those sent forth AFTER Jesus's death. Paul was an apostle, never a disciple. Judas was a disciple, never an apostle (by the definition I gave). Since Fallen = Judas, apostle is not a good term to use here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:04, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Perhaps [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apostle the dictionary definition] can settle this? Note the list of the Twelve.
::::-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 15:59, 8 June 2011 (EDT) 3:59 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
:::::I really think this is a Catholic vs Protestant thing. To a Protestant hearing the word Apostle applied before Jesus's death seems weird. Do a google search for "12 Disciples" and look how many Protestant sources use that formulation. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:07, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::Whereas to a Catholic, "12 Disciples" sounds just plain uneducated (no offense intended). So what shall be done here? (All definitions I see in dictionaries still list Judas among the apostles.) -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 16:31, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

I'm gonna go out on a whim here and say we should have it compare the Thirteen to the Archangels and that The Fallen is their Lucifer. At least Judas was remorseful enough to kill himself. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:02, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:Lucifer was not an Archangel. He was a Seraph. In fact, the Archangels are the second-lowest in the nine choirs. -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 18:23, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::My point still stands: I had considered changing the comparison from Judas to Lucifer ages ago but opted not to out of respect for the lead ItsWalky wrote. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:35, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::I don't think "Lucifer was not an Archangel" is something that's universally agreed upon, especially since a lot of that stuff is, well, apocryphal. Googling "Lucifer Archangel" sure brings up a lot of stuff about how Lucifer is an Archangel, for example. I think you need to start stating these things with less certainty. There's a lot of Christian mythology, and it all doesn't agree with itself. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:38, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::To be perfectly honest, I ''can't'' state these things with less certainty. Being Catholic, I am obligated to believe what the Church teaches. I'm actually quite surprised and fascinated to see some of these other views that I'd never heard of before. But, in Catholic teaching (which we just so happen to regard as objective reality, not just our opinion), Judas was an apostle and Lucifer was the highest of the angels and thus a Seraph. I do hope I don't sound rude or inconsiderate or <insert negative adjective here>, because I don't mean to be. I'm simply pointing out what I thought was an error (that being said, I preferred the Judas comparison to the Lucifer one; [[Unicron]] would make a better Satan parallel). -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 20:11, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry if this has already been resolved, but wikipedia describes the definition of "apostle" to include Judas, stating that he wasn't sent afterward, and that the title was extended past the Twelve. They were sent out in Mark 6:7-13, and Matthew 10:1-4 explicitly calls Judas one of the apostles. Like, it says "the names of the twelve apostles are" and then says "Judas". Luke 6:12-16 says this as well, and indicates that they worked alongside other disciples who were not apostles.
::As far as archangels/seraphs -- Lucifer is not given an explicit rank beyond being the "highest of angels". There are two main treatments of the angelic hierarchy -- one with simply "angels" and "archangels", and one with all nine ranks organized in three spheres, essentially splitting the other's "archangel" into eight separate rungs, the lowest of which retains the name "archangel". Both rankings place Lucifer, Gabriel, Michael, and Raphael at the top, regardless of what they actually name that rank. It's basically a difference in terms/detail, rather than intent.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:28, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
:::To be fair, I guess saying "the thirteen are his disciples" isn't really "wrong", as the apostles ''were'' disciples.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:29, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

==The Fallen's plan in movie continuity==
Now forgive me if this was explained in any of the more recent IDW stuff (I don't own any comics past the ROTF adaptation), but has the Fallen's initial plan with Megatron ever been explained beyond: '''1. Find star harvester, 2. Find Matrix, 3. ???, 4. Control power of the AllSpark'''? By the timeframe of ROTF, the plan is evidently to use energon from the harvester to revitalise the AllSpark-less Cybertron, but this clearly wasn't their original intention. Thanks, [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 17:48, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

== Split? ==

I know that the Fallen is a multiuniversal singularity, but I honestly think the Movie incarnation of The Fallen should get a seperate page. I think the character's article is getting way too long and I think we should split that section. Like [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] gets a page for his appearances in the cartoon and Marvel Comics continuities, I believe that should happen here. We should split the section into an article titled <nowiki>[[The Fallen (Movie)]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[The Fallen (ROTF)]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[The Fallen/Live-action film continuity family]]</nowiki>.[[Special:Contributions/72.70.64.11|72.70.64.11]] 11:21, 8 November 2011 (EST)

:I know this has been discussed before. I, like you, believe it is possible for all Fallen's to actually be 1 Fallen, but I believe the film incarnation should get a seperate page anyway because this article is getting way too long.[[Special:Contributions/72.70.64.11|72.70.64.11]] 11:26, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::49 kb is not that particularly long. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:18, 8 November 2011 (EST)

== Exodus-Exiles ==

Should the two sections be merged to better represent the in-continuity chronological order?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 13:46, 1 December 2011 (EST)

== Capitalization concerning the Aligned continuity. ==

I don't have "Exodus" so readily available at the moment, but in "Exiles" the capitalization is "the Fallen", more used as an adjective than a name (likely as the "Fallen Prime"). I'm willing to do this, but I move for all mentions of "the Fallen" concerning the Aligned universe be written with the lower case "t", just as "Mini-Con" is "Minicon", or the whole "Brawl/Devastator" movie thing. Not all will be "the Fallen" (like in the movies that DOES have the capitalization) just information with the Aligned continuity family. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 22:15, 31 January 2012 (EST)

== Title ==

Should this not be at Megatronus? It's his true name and the name more often used nowadays in Aligned stuff. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:11, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:While I like the idea of putting the page at his original personal name rather than his moniker, I think more people know of the character by the moniker than by the name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:51, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:: The only time people regularly call him anything other than the Fallen is in Aligned stuff, so I'd say no. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 15:54, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:::Well, Aligned and IDW are the only stuff featuring him at this point (and are also two of the three-still running major continuities in the first place). Dreamwave material is now obscura and ROTF is a flash in the pan movie that nobody cares about anymore. The trend is towards using "Megatronus" over "the Fallen" now and that seems likely to continue in the future. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:Ehhhhn. The movie kind of has this article by the throat. It's why we decided to break our usual rule for the article-header picture, and I think it'd be odd to go with Megatronus. Right now, anyway.- [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 16:30, 17 December 2015 (EST)
::I still feel ROTF is old news now. It's been two movies since then, and all the general public remembers at best is "that random evil guy who got his face ripped off in that confusing movie". Is it really that big of an impact whether this article is at Megatronus or not for those people? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:23, 23 December 2015 (EST)

:::When you say IDW is featuring Megatronus/The Fallen in their stuff, are you referring to their RID tie-in comic, or has he made an appearance in IDWG1 that I haven't heard about? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 10:39, 23 December 2015 (EST)
::::He's been mentioned in IDW, and the Thirteen in general are becoming prominent parts of its mythology. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:29, 25 December 2015 (EST)
:There's also the notion that one of the whole points behind this guy is that, because he did something so terrible in the past, he's not supposed to have a real name anymore. So even if we know that he real name formerly was "Megatronus", he in his present life isn't supposed to be known by that name (or any name) anymore, much like how a few Optimus Primes were formerly "Orion Pax" in their earlier lives but not in their present lives. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:17, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::But that's not really the case in Aligned... [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:29, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::: It's the case in most other works of Aligned fiction except RID. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 16:48, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::::Exodus, Exiles, and the Covenant all made it clear that "Megatronus" was his name back ''before'' he fell, not after. The Prime cartoon even called in "The Fallen" in a present sense. Only the RID cartoon treats him with "Megatronus" as his present day name, and that's just one piece of fiction out of several. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:57, 25 December 2015 (EST)
:::::That may be true, but it's the ''only'' fiction featuring him right now. It's not like there's some other series calling him the Fallen at the same time. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:37, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::::::Unless he somehow comes back from the dead to return in season 2, RID isn't currently featuring Megatronus anymore after his only appearing in 3 out of 26 episodes, what with RID season 1 being long since done and over with by this point. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:52, 25 December 2015 (EST)

:::::::Ah. That's what I get for not actually watching the show. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 23:06, 25 December 2015 (EST)
I feel like we should revisit this? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:29, 9 January 2018 (EST)
:Seconded. With two of the three Prime Wars Trilogy cartoons using Megatronus as the primary name (Megatron only references The Fallen as a nickname/title of sorts, i.e. "the Fallen, the Flame, the one who stood apart from the original Thirteen, the first Decepticon"), that's another piece of non-Aligned media making the shift. It's also been almost a decade since RotF, so I think it doesn't hold as much weight as it used to. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:17, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::Agreed. 'The Fallen' title is rarely used anymore, with the biggest one being ROTF, but even then the movie came out almost 9 years ago. Since all current media refer to him as Megatronus, the page should really be called that. And here on this wiki, we usually do real names, not nicknames. Additionally 'Fallen' is a very common name amongst all media (and a word too). [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:12, 9 January 2018 (EST)
:::There is no amount of other media that counterbalances 1) the first name used for him in fiction or 2) BLOCKBUSTER LIVE ACTION MOVIE. I don't care if it was friggin' 60 years ago. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:43, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::::Plus it's like... in the ''title'' of that blockbuster live action movie. "Oh no, no one is going to remember the name of the bad guy from the movie with the name of the bad guy in the title" is just a weird concern. [[User:Diecast|Diecast]] ([[User talk:Diecast|talk]]) 17:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::::Right. Just. Fucking. Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)

== Change the mainpic? ==

Right, so here's the thing; RoTF's been out for a while, we've had two sequels and another forthcoming...and none of the movies since have ever even mentioned The Fallen. He's sort of become discarded within the movie continuity; I mean, you can't erase RoTF from existance, but it seems like Movie Fallen is being silently pushed aside. To this point, DW Fallen is still the most notable instance of the character, since he's both the first occurance of the concept and the (to this point) most unanimously lauded version; Aligned Fallen is screwed by Aligned itself being a clusterfuck, Movie Fallen was barely in his own movie and was not recieved well by anybody...Should we then maybe consider making Dreamwave Fallen the mainpic again?

Mostly because A) The DW-verse Fallen is the first body of the character; so, by the whole "first body/most notable body is mainpic" rule, DW!Fallen should be mainpic, not Movie!Fallen. And B) Movie Fallen has fallen into obscurity, at least as far as the character goes. We usually go with the most well-known bodies of these characters, and I know that DW (as...questionable as they were at times) still had a huge influence on TF comics, about as much as the movies did, IIRC.

So I'd say that we should at least hold a psuedo-council to see if we stick with the mainpic we have now or if we'll switch it out for a different mainpic. Anybody have any thoughts? [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 13:03, 21 February 2016 (EST)
:Most notable? How many people have seen the RotF movie versus know about the comics from a failed publisher? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:08, 21 February 2016 (EST)
::DW also single-handedly revived interest in TF comics from all sorts of comic fans, so obviously they're pretty well-known, even if they did go down in flames. RoTF, while still seen by many people, was also probably rather incredibly hampered by the massive negative reception it recieved, which means it probably didn't reach as much people as, say, it's sequel did. In fact, both DoTM and AoE are ''far'' above RoTF in revenue, so obviously a lot more people saw the former two and not the latter.

::Plus, we also need to consider that RoTF was, financially, not the most sucessful of the films; in fact, except for the original, it's the ''worst'' preforming of them. So really, I'd say DW's had a much more lasting impact than RoTF had, at least in any positive ways. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2016 (EST)

:::This accomplishes nothing. The mainpic now is perfectly fine. Besides, no one even remembers Dreamwave anymore, except to make Pat Lee jokes. I could see maybe changing the picture to a collage of Megatronus/The Fallen in various continuities similar the one over at [[Sideways (disambiguation)]], but changing to the way he looked in ten year old comics from a dead publisher is aggressively stupid. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:04, 21 February 2016 (EST)

::::Revenge of the Fallen total box office take: $836,300,000. Average ticket price in 2011: $8. Estimated number of people who saw it in the theater worldwide: 104,000,000. Let's be insanely conservative and assume that most people saw it twice. Still, 52,000,000 people. Let's further assume that the home video distribution reached a whopping ZERO people who didn't see the film theatrically.
::::Now let's look at DW. Biggest print run per issue: approximately 100,000. Let's be insanely generous and double that number, to 200,000 unique people reading a DW issue. Then let's double it again because of trade paperbacks, for 400,000. Let's double it a third time because maybe people are lending / selling their old issues. 800,000. Even with all these generous assumptions, Revenge of the Fallen had about 65 times the audience that DW did for its entire existence. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:07, 21 February 2016 (EST)

I'm reviving this discussion since over 8 years have passed and a lot more media has come out since. While RotF may have been the most prevalent piece of media to feature The Fallen, I feel it hasn't had significant influence on the character. I feel this is most evident with his upcoming toy in Age of the Primes being based off his Dreamwave body. I don't know a perfect solution to this as it may be hard to argue which iteration should be the one to headline the page, but as RotF's relevance dwindlts I think we need to reevaluate this. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 13:21, 9 November 2024 (EST)

==Move to Megatronus?==
It feels like for the last several iterations, "Megatronus" has gotten more and more use than "The Fallen." Between that, the recent movie giving us a rare non-Fallen version of Megatronus, and now the new "Megatronus the Fallen" toy, would it make sense to move the page to "Megatronus" with "The Fallen" as a redirect, rather than the other way around? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 15:53, 28 October 2024 (EDT)
:I could go either way, but I believe time has indeed proven the previous obstinacy complaints from 2018 to have been false on its face, with ''Transformers One'' indeed having validated ''Robots in Disguise'' and ''Prime Wars Trilogy'' as "Megatronus" being Hasbro's preferred name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:07, 9 November 2024 (EST)
::I did have a discussion in Discord about this, and, yeah, I still support this move. "But the 15-year-old movie" is dull at this point. (A good compromise would be to split this page like we do with everything else, then the movie guy can keep the name.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:20, 9 November 2024 (EST)

==Split Pages==
Now I'm new to this wiki so excuse me if I'm talking out of turn here but didn't the Shroud remove Multiversal singularities which in that case, shouldn't Megatronus be split into duplicate pages from the year the Shroud happened onward? Just asking -- [[User:Jasenomous_TF|Jasenomous_TF]] ([[User talk:Jasenomous_TF|talk]]) 13:34, 4 November 2024 (MDT)
:We don't split out singularities affected by the Shroud because all of their pre-Shroud appearances as singularities still exist as fiction. The Shroud didn't automatically invalidate those appearances because those pre-Shroud appearances are still canon. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:20, 4 November 2024 (EST)

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2024-09-15T23:53:09Z

Ezim93:

Duke (comic)

2023-10-09T15:16:20Z

Ezim93:

[[File: Duke 2023 1 cvr.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
'''''Duke''''' is a five-issue comic book miniseries from [[Skybound Entertainment]] scheduled to debut in December 2023. The series is the first ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' entry in the [[Energon Universe]] and the first of four planned miniseries detailing how the [[Transformer]]s' arrival on [[Earth]] causes the creation of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[Cobra]].

{{chapters|align=center|title=''Duke'' issues:|content=
* [[Duke issue 1|#1]]
* [[Duke issue 2|#2]]
* [[Duke issue 3|#3]]
* [[Duke issue 4|#4]]
* [[Duke issue 5|#5]]
}}

==Overview==
After surviving an encounter with an [[Starscream (G1)|alien jet]], decorated soldier [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Conrad "Duke" Hauser]] searches for answers about the mysterious robotic beings.

==Creative team==
''Duke'' is written by [[Joshua Williamson]], drawn by [[Tom Reilly]], and colored by [[Jordie Bellaire]].

[[Category:Energon Universe]]
[[Category:Skybound titles]]

File:Duke 1 Cover A.jpg

2023-10-09T15:15:43Z

Ezim93: Cover to issue 1 of Duke 2023

Cover to issue 1 of Duke 2023

Cobra Commander (comic)

2023-10-09T15:12:32Z

Ezim93:

[[File: Cobra Commander 2024 1 cvr.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Is that a [[Megatron (G1)|Decepticon Leader]] in your hand or are you just happy to see me?]]
'''''Cobra Commander''''' is a five-issue comic book miniseries from [[Skybound Entertainment]] scheduled to debut in January 2024. The series is the the second of four planned miniseries detailing how the [[Transformer]]s' arrival on [[Earth]] causes the creation of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[Cobra]].

{{chapters|align=center|title=''Duke'' issues:|content=
* [[Cobra COmmander issue 1|#1]]
* [[Duke issue 2|#2]]
* [[Duke issue 3|#3]]
* [[Duke issue 4|#4]]
* [[Duke issue 5|#5]]
}}

==Overview==

==Creative team==
''Cobra Commander'' is written by [[Joshua Williamson]], drawn by [[Andrea Milana]], and colored by [[Annalisa Leoni]].

[[Category:Energon Universe]]
[[Category:Skybound titles]]

Transformers (2023) issue 1

2023-10-09T15:11:36Z

Ezim93: Undo revision 1725716 by Ezim93 (talk)

{{Comicstory
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|prev=Void Rivals issue 1
|next=Transformers (2023) issue 2
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|image=Transformers 2023 1 cvr.jpg
|caption=Alright, let’s do this one more time.
|title=
|publisher=[[Image Comics]]<br>[[Skybound Entertainment]]
|date=[[October 4]], [[2023]]
|coverdate=October 2023
|written by=[[Daniel Warren Johnson]]
|art by=Daniel Warren Johnson
|colors by=[[Mike Spicer]]
|letters by=[[Rus Wooton]]
|editor=[[Sean Mackiewicz]]
|continuity=[[Energon Universe]]
|chronology=
}}

'''After centuries of slumber, the Autobots and Decepticons awaken on a strange new world.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] finds his father, [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]], asleep in a bar. Spike asks his father how long he’s been there, to which [[Danny]] the bartender answers since noon. Sparkplug notices that Spike has his brother [[Jimmy Witwicky|Jimmy]]'s telescope with him. Spike tells him that he and [[Carly]] were planning to go up to [[Hanger's Rock]] to look at the full moon. He says it helps him remember Jimmy, to which Sparkplug grouses that it's better to just forget. Spike fires back at his father, telling him he won't end up like Jimmy. Meanwhile, [[Jerry (G1)|another patron]] is drunkenly ranting about how he saw a giant boxy jet fly down from space. Their conversation is interrupted by the arrival of Sparkplug's co-worker, [[Davey]], here to pick him up for their shifts. Sparkplug tells Spike that he has to grow up eventually, to which Spike angrily asks if he means being like him. As the adults drive off, Carly arrives to pick Spike up in her van. Carly consoles a dejected Spike by suggesting they go "pretend they're on another planet."

At Hanger's Rock, the pair climb the mountain in search of a better view and discuss their future ambitions. Spike has recently been accepted to the [[University of California, Berkeley]], where he wishes to follow in Jimmy's footsteps and become an astronaut, though he's reluctant to actually tell his father about it since Jimmy's death. Carly, meanwhile, has been looking at art schools, but she and her father are struggling to make it work financially. Carly takes Spike's hand in hers, telling him how sorry she is about what’s going on with his family. As the two teenagers lean in closer, an earthquake shakes the ground, causing the mountain to split open and sending the two plummeting into the depths below. Recovering, they find themselves inside a giant circular structure — the booster of [[Ark (G1)|a giant spacecraft]]. Spike ventures further inside the spacecraft and finds the main control room, littered with the mangled bodies of what appears to be some sort of giant robots.

[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] flies into the ''Ark'' and transforms, grateful to have found his fallen friends. He activates [[Teletraan I|Teletraan One]] to repair and reconstruct his fellow Cybertronians, granting them new forms he found on [[Earth]]. The first to be reactivated is [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. Jetfire warmly greets his old friend, having not seen him in centuries. Starscream thanks Jetfire for waking him and says that he's glad he "picked the right side" before immediately turning to the nearby [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and blasting his head off. The stunned Jetfire, unaware that their people have been at war for the past hundred years, tries to stop him, but Starscream turns his weapons on his old friend for showing weakness. Starscream aims his weapon at [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] next, but he is stopped by a reconstructed [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]!

As the [[Autobot]] leader and [[Decepticon]] warrior fight, Prime notices the humans and instinctively dives to protect them from Starscream’s fire. Starscream's attack is halted by the intervention of [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], right as Teletraan One reconstructs [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. Realizing the computer is reconstructing them randomly, Starscream tells Skywarp to bring their fellow Decepticons closer. Optimus realizes that the Decepticons will outnumber them and orders a retreat, telling Ratchet to load their fellow Autobots into his new form's trailer while he fends off their opponents. He reaches for his [[ion blaster]] but is intercepted by cannon fire from a revived [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]. As he recovers, he sees Bumblebee's remains, cradling him in despair before being beset by Starscream and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]. Seeing this, Spike and Carly run out and push Prime's blaster to him, allowing him to fight back.

Left with no choice, Optimus fires at Teletraan One, destroying the computer and preventing the remaining Decepticons from being reconstructed. As Teletraan explodes, Optimus grabs Carly and Spike. He and Ratchet transform and drive out of the ''Ark'' into the mountains below, Starscream and Skywarp in hot pursuit despite their low [[energon]] levels. Jetfire regains consciousness and follows after them, firing on Starscream much to his regret. Starscream volleys back, critically wounding Jetfire. Fortunately for the Autobots, Skywarp begins to run out of energy and the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] are forced to retreat.

Needing to recuperate, Spike leads the Autobots to an abandoned quarry. As he succumbs to his injuries, Jetfire apologizes to Optimus; so much has changed since he left Cybertron in hopes of saving it. Optimus tries to use the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to heal Jetfire, but Ratchet tells him that his injuries are too great. Optimus grips his old friend's hand as he passes, still lamenting his failure. Back in the ''Ark'', Soundwave reports to Starscream that he is unable to fix Teletraan One, as they lack both the energon and the raw materials necessary. Until it is repaired, they are the only Decepticons left. Soundwave has already sent [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] to scout for possible energon sources, but the job of harvesting it falls to Starscream since he has the most energon reserved. Begrudgingly, Starscream accepts. After all, he is leader of the Decepticons now.

As Davey and Sparkplug end their shift at the nearby power plant, Davey tries to talk to Sparkplug about his recent troubles, but they are interrupted by the arrival of Starscream, irritated he has to be the one doing all the work. The pair try to escape, but Starscream notices them. Sparkplug hides inside the plant, while Davey is snatched up by the giant alien. Starscream smiles to himself as he crushes Davey in his hand, amused at how fragile, squishy, and pathetic the humans are.

{{--}}

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.<br>
{{Featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (11)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (12)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (13)
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (14)
* [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (15)
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (16)
* [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (17)
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]’s arm (19)

|c2=
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (8)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (9)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (10)
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (20)
* [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (21)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (22)

|c3=
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (1)
* [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (3)
* [[Danny]] (4)
* [[Jerry (G1)|Jerry]] (5)
* [[Davey]] (6)
* [[Carly]] (7)

|c4=
* [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (17)
}}

==Quotes==
"Where are you going? Isn't that... Jimmy's?"<br>
"Yeah. Carly and I were going to check out the full moon tonight, remember? On top of Hanger's Rock?"<br>
"Looking at '''stars''' again, huh?"<br>
"Doing this kind of thing... it reminds me of him."<br>
"Why would you want to remember? It's best to '''forget''' all that."<br>
"Is that how you're gonna '''live''' now? Just pretending he didn't '''exist?'''"<br>
:—'''Sparkplug''' and '''Spike''' touch on their trauma

"You must forgive me. I have been away for centuries. I did not know about the war. I did not know you were the new Prime..."<br>
"I remember the day you left our home to find a way to save it."<br>
"And you... were so young then."<br>
"Much has changed since you left our planet. All for the worse."<br>
:—'''Jetfire''' and '''Optimus Prime''' rekindle their friendship

"Why are you all looking at '''me?'''"<br>
"You have the most energon reserved. Thus the harvesting is up to '''you.''' It's what Meg---"<br>
"'''Do not''' say his name. '''I''' am the leader of the Decepticons now."
:—'''Starscream''' and '''Soundwave'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* Jetfire's arrival on Earth follows from his awakening in [[Void Rivals issue 1|the first issue]] of ''[[Void Rivals]]''. How long he was asleep exactly is a little unclear. In ''Void Rivals'', he mentions being stranded for millions of years, but here he says he was away for merely centuries. Due to the syntax used, it could be that Jetfire was ''searching'' for centuries but ''asleep'' for millions of years.
* Cybertron's energon shortage was hinted at by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] in ''Void Rivals'' [[Void Rivals issue 4|#4]].
* Soundwave and Starscream allude to the absence of the usual Decepticon leader, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Hmm... [[Cobra Commander (comic)|where could he be]]?

===Transformers references===
* Like with ''Void Rivals'', this new series draws heavy influence from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]]:
** The character designs all pull directly from Generation 1.
** The ''Ark'' crashing into a mountain and the Autobots and Decepticons being repaired by Teletraan One is lifted from the premiere episode, "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]", right down to one of the Decepticons being reactivated first. The "error" of the Transformers having their Earth-inspired designs before they receive their Earth alternate modes is also carried over.
** Spike, Sparkplug, and Carly all originate from the Generation 1 cartoon, though they been heavily reimagined, especially Carly.
* Optimus Prime gains the upper hand over Starscream with a fist and a resounding "never", similar to ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
* This [[Darkness Rising, Part 1|isn't the]] [[Infiltration issue 1|first time]] a new ''Transformers'' series launched with Starscream in command in lieu of Megatron.

===Real-world references===
* Sparkplug's flashbacks on the first page of the issue features imagery of Sparkplug in the [[Vietnam War]] and the explosion of a space shuttle reminiscent of the {{w|Space Shuttle Challenger disaster|Space Shuttle ''Challenger'' disaster}}; based on the context, it seems likely that Jimmy was one of the victims in the latter. Whether these are meant to literally be those events (which would suggest the comic is actually supposed to be set in the 1980s) or merely stylistic renderings of purely fictional events remains to be seen.
* Carly's van art features several staples of van murals, such as a wizard inspired by {{w|Gandalf}} from ''{{w|The Lord of the Rings}}'', a barbarian resembling {{w|Conan the Barbarian|Conan}}, and a fantasy castle and dragon.
*Spike's outfit, with a red vest and blue jeans, seems to be pretty heavily based on [[Marty McFly]]'s classic outifit from ''Back to the Future''.

===Errors===
* Bumblebee's body is seen near Optimus Prime’s trailer, despite him being across the ship near Teletraan One when Starscream blew his head open.
* When Starscream is forced to break off his pursuit of the Autobots, his speech bubble is pointing to Skywarp.

===Other trivia===
* Prior to its official release, an ashcan copy of this issue was available exclusively at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2023. The ashcan had certain pages taken out to prevent spoilers, as well as featuring concept art and designs for various characters.
* In early solicitations for this issue, the cover had an original logo with blue text broken over two lines;<ref>[https://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog/AUG230407 ''Transformers'' #1 CVR A JOHNSON on PREVIEWSworld]</ref> the final cover uses the standard modern logo, leaving some unsightly negative space above Prime's head.
* This issue sold out at the distributor level before it was even officially released, prompting Skybound to announce a second printing the day before it hit retailer shelves.

===Covers===
* '''Cover A:''' Optimus Prime emerges from an explosion, by Daniel Warren Johnson and Mike Spicer.
* '''Cover B:''' The Autobots, by Daniel Warren Johnson and Mike Spicer.
* '''Cover C:''' The Decepticons, by Daniel Warren Johnson and Mike Spicer.
* '''Cover D:''' Optimus Prime destroys Starscream, by [[Ryan Ottley]].
* '''Cover E (1:10 Copy Incentive):''' Connecting cover, by [[Orlando Arocena]].
* '''Cover F (1:25 Copy Incentive):''' Optimus leaps on Starscream to save Carly's van as Laserbeak and Ravage attack, by [[Cliff Chiang]].
* '''Cover G (1:50 Copy Incentive):''' Optimus Prime, by [[Francis Manapul]].
* '''Cover H (1:100 Copy Incentive):''' Starscream holds Bumblebee’s head, by [[Ian Bertram]].
* '''Cover I:''' Blank sketch cover.
* '''Second printing cover A:'''
* '''Second printing cover B:'''
* '''Second printing cover C:'''
* '''Second printing cover D:'''
* '''FelixComicArt exclusive cover:'''
* '''San Diego Comic-Con ashcan cover:'''

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===Advertisements===
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* The rise of [[Cobra]] starts in ''[[Cobra Commander (comic)|Cobra Commander]]'' #1
* A new era for G.I. Joe starts in ''[[G.I. Joe (comic)|G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero]]'' #301
* ''Murder Falcon'' Deluxe Hardcover available now

==External links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joUZgObXmU0 Director's commentary by Daniel Warren Johnson]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Transformers (2023) issues]]

Cobra Commander (comic)

2023-10-09T15:10:17Z

Ezim93:

[[File: Cobra Commander 2024 1 cvr.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Is that a [[Megatron (G1)|Decepticon Leader]] in your hand or are you just happy to see me?]]
'''''Cobra Commander''''' is a five-issue comic book miniseries from [[Skybound Entertainment]] scheduled to debut in January 2024. The series is the the second of four planned miniseries detailing how the [[Transformer]]s' arrival on [[Earth]] causes the creation of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[Cobra]].

{{chapters|align=center|title=''Duke'' issues:|content=
* [[Cobra COmmander issue 1|#1]]
* [[Duke issue 2|#2]]
* [[Duke issue 3|#3]]
* [[Duke issue 4|#4]]
* [[Duke issue 5|#5]]
}}

==Overview==
After surviving an encounter with an [[Starscream (G1)|alien jet]], decorated soldier [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Conrad "Duke" Hauser]] searches for answers about the mysterious robotic beings.

==Creative team==
''Duke'' is written by [[Joshua Williamson]], drawn by [[Andrea Milana]], and colored by [[Annalisa Leoni]].

[[Category:Energon Universe]]
[[Category:Skybound titles]]

File:Cobra Commander 1 Cover A.jpg

2023-10-09T15:07:57Z

Ezim93: Cover to Issue 1 of Cobra Commander 2024 miniseries

Cover to Issue 1 of Cobra Commander 2024 miniseries

Cobra Commander (comic)

2023-10-09T15:06:16Z

Ezim93: Created page with "'''''Cobra Commander''''' is a five-issue comic book miniseries from Skybound Entertainment scheduled to debut in January 2024. The series is the the second of four planne..."

'''''Cobra Commander''''' is a five-issue comic book miniseries from [[Skybound Entertainment]] scheduled to debut in January 2024. The series is the the second of four planned miniseries detailing how the [[Transformer]]s' arrival on [[Earth]] causes the creation of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[Cobra]].

{{chapters|align=center|title=''Duke'' issues:|content=
* [[Cobra COmmander issue 1|#1]]
* [[Duke issue 2|#2]]
* [[Duke issue 3|#3]]
* [[Duke issue 4|#4]]
* [[Duke issue 5|#5]]
}}

==Overview==
After surviving an encounter with an [[Starscream (G1)|alien jet]], decorated soldier [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Conrad "Duke" Hauser]] searches for answers about the mysterious robotic beings.

==Creative team==
''Duke'' is written by [[Joshua Williamson]], drawn by [[Andrea Milana]], and colored by [[Annalisa Leoni]].

[[Category:Energon Universe]]
[[Category:Skybound titles]]

Transformers (2023) issue 1

2023-10-09T14:51:25Z

Ezim93: Removing the redirect to Cobra Commander until it's confirmed that's where Megatron will appear

{{Comicstory
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|next=Transformers (2023) issue 2
|prev2=
|image=Transformers 2023 1 cvr.jpg
|caption=Alright, let’s do this one more time.
|title=
|publisher=[[Image Comics]]<br>[[Skybound Entertainment]]
|date=[[October 4]], [[2023]]
|coverdate=October 2023
|written by=[[Daniel Warren Johnson]]
|art by=Daniel Warren Johnson
|colors by=[[Mike Spicer]]
|letters by=[[Rus Wooton]]
|editor=[[Sean Mackiewicz]]
|continuity=[[Energon Universe]]
|chronology=
}}

'''After centuries of slumber, the Autobots and Decepticons awaken on a strange new world.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] finds his father, [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]], asleep in a bar. Spike asks his father how long he’s been there, to which [[Danny]] the bartender answers since noon. Sparkplug notices that Spike has his brother [[Jimmy Witwicky|Jimmy]]'s telescope with him. Spike tells him that he and [[Carly]] were planning to go up to [[Hanger's Rock]] to look at the full moon. He says it helps him remember Jimmy, to which Sparkplug grouses that it's better to just forget. Spike fires back at his father, telling him he won't end up like Jimmy. Meanwhile, [[Jerry (G1)|another patron]] is drunkenly ranting about how he saw a giant boxy jet fly down from space. Their conversation is interrupted by the arrival of Sparkplug's co-worker, [[Davey]], here to pick him up for their shifts. Sparkplug tells Spike that he has to grow up eventually, to which Spike angrily asks if he means being like him. As the adults drive off, Carly arrives to pick Spike up in her van. Carly consoles a dejected Spike by suggesting they go "pretend they're on another planet."

At Hanger's Rock, the pair climb the mountain in search of a better view and discuss their future ambitions. Spike has recently been accepted to the [[University of California, Berkeley]], where he wishes to follow in Jimmy's footsteps and become an astronaut, though he's reluctant to actually tell his father about it since Jimmy's death. Carly, meanwhile, has been looking at art schools, but she and her father are struggling to make it work financially. Carly takes Spike's hand in hers, telling him how sorry she is about what’s going on with his family. As the two teenagers lean in closer, an earthquake shakes the ground, causing the mountain to split open and sending the two plummeting into the depths below. Recovering, they find themselves inside a giant circular structure — the booster of [[Ark (G1)|a giant spacecraft]]. Spike ventures further inside the spacecraft and finds the main control room, littered with the mangled bodies of what appears to be some sort of giant robots.

[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] flies into the ''Ark'' and transforms, grateful to have found his fallen friends. He activates [[Teletraan I|Teletraan One]] to repair and reconstruct his fellow Cybertronians, granting them new forms he found on [[Earth]]. The first to be reactivated is [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. Jetfire warmly greets his old friend, having not seen him in centuries. Starscream thanks Jetfire for waking him and says that he's glad he "picked the right side" before immediately turning to the nearby [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and blasting his head off. The stunned Jetfire, unaware that their people have been at war for the past hundred years, tries to stop him, but Starscream turns his weapons on his old friend for showing weakness. Starscream aims his weapon at [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] next, but he is stopped by a reconstructed [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]!

As the [[Autobot]] leader and [[Decepticon]] warrior fight, Prime notices the humans and instinctively dives to protect them from Starscream’s fire. Starscream's attack is halted by the intervention of [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], right as Teletraan One reconstructs [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. Realizing the computer is reconstructing them randomly, Starscream tells Skywarp to bring their fellow Decepticons closer. Optimus realizes that the Decepticons will outnumber them and orders a retreat, telling Ratchet to load their fellow Autobots into his new form's trailer while he fends off their opponents. He reaches for his [[ion blaster]] but is intercepted by cannon fire from a revived [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]. As he recovers, he sees Bumblebee's remains, cradling him in despair before being beset by Starscream and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]. Seeing this, Spike and Carly run out and push Prime's blaster to him, allowing him to fight back.

Left with no choice, Optimus fires at Teletraan One, destroying the computer and preventing the remaining Decepticons from being reconstructed. As Teletraan explodes, Optimus grabs Carly and Spike. He and Ratchet transform and drive out of the ''Ark'' into the mountains below, Starscream and Skywarp in hot pursuit despite their low [[energon]] levels. Jetfire regains consciousness and follows after them, firing on Starscream much to his regret. Starscream volleys back, critically wounding Jetfire. Fortunately for the Autobots, Skywarp begins to run out of energy and the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] are forced to retreat.

Needing to recuperate, Spike leads the Autobots to an abandoned quarry. As he succumbs to his injuries, Jetfire apologizes to Optimus; so much has changed since he left Cybertron in hopes of saving it. Optimus tries to use the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to heal Jetfire, but Ratchet tells him that his injuries are too great. Optimus grips his old friend's hand as he passes, still lamenting his failure. Back in the ''Ark'', Soundwave reports to Starscream that he is unable to fix Teletraan One, as they lack both the energon and the raw materials necessary. Until it is repaired, they are the only Decepticons left. Soundwave has already sent [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] to scout for possible energon sources, but the job of harvesting it falls to Starscream since he has the most energon reserved. Begrudgingly, Starscream accepts. After all, he is leader of the Decepticons now.

As Davey and Sparkplug end their shift at the nearby power plant, Davey tries to talk to Sparkplug about his recent troubles, but they are interrupted by the arrival of Starscream, irritated he has to be the one doing all the work. The pair try to escape, but Starscream notices them. Sparkplug hides inside the plant, while Davey is snatched up by the giant alien. Starscream smiles to himself as he crushes Davey in his hand, amused at how fragile, squishy, and pathetic the humans are.

{{--}}

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.<br>
{{Featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (11)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (12)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (13)
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (14)
* [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (15)
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (16)
* [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (17)
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]’s arm (19)

|c2=
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (8)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (9)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (10)
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (20)
* [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (21)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (22)

|c3=
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (1)
* [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (3)
* [[Danny]] (4)
* [[Jerry (G1)|Jerry]] (5)
* [[Davey]] (6)
* [[Carly]] (7)

|c4=
* [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (17)
}}

==Quotes==
"Where are you going? Isn't that... Jimmy's?"<br>
"Yeah. Carly and I were going to check out the full moon tonight, remember? On top of Hanger's Rock?"<br>
"Looking at '''stars''' again, huh?"<br>
"Doing this kind of thing... it reminds me of him."<br>
"Why would you want to remember? It's best to '''forget''' all that."<br>
"Is that how you're gonna '''live''' now? Just pretending he didn't '''exist?'''"<br>
:—'''Sparkplug''' and '''Spike''' touch on their trauma

"You must forgive me. I have been away for centuries. I did not know about the war. I did not know you were the new Prime..."<br>
"I remember the day you left our home to find a way to save it."<br>
"And you... were so young then."<br>
"Much has changed since you left our planet. All for the worse."<br>
:—'''Jetfire''' and '''Optimus Prime''' rekindle their friendship

"Why are you all looking at '''me?'''"<br>
"You have the most energon reserved. Thus the harvesting is up to '''you.''' It's what Meg---"<br>
"'''Do not''' say his name. '''I''' am the leader of the Decepticons now."
:—'''Starscream''' and '''Soundwave'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* Jetfire's arrival on Earth follows from his awakening in [[Void Rivals issue 1|the first issue]] of ''[[Void Rivals]]''. How long he was asleep exactly is a little unclear. In ''Void Rivals'', he mentions being stranded for millions of years, but here he says he was away for merely centuries. Due to the syntax used, it could be that Jetfire was ''searching'' for centuries but ''asleep'' for millions of years.
* Cybertron's energon shortage was hinted at by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] in ''Void Rivals'' [[Void Rivals issue 4|#4]].
* Soundwave and Starscream allude to the absence of the usual Decepticon leader, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Hmm... where could he be?

===Transformers references===
* Like with ''Void Rivals'', this new series draws heavy influence from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]]:
** The character designs all pull directly from Generation 1.
** The ''Ark'' crashing into a mountain and the Autobots and Decepticons being repaired by Teletraan One is lifted from the premiere episode, "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]", right down to one of the Decepticons being reactivated first. The "error" of the Transformers having their Earth-inspired designs before they receive their Earth alternate modes is also carried over.
** Spike, Sparkplug, and Carly all originate from the Generation 1 cartoon, though they been heavily reimagined, especially Carly.
* Optimus Prime gains the upper hand over Starscream with a fist and a resounding "never", similar to ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
* This [[Darkness Rising, Part 1|isn't the]] [[Infiltration issue 1|first time]] a new ''Transformers'' series launched with Starscream in command in lieu of Megatron.

===Real-world references===
* Sparkplug's flashbacks on the first page of the issue features imagery of Sparkplug in the [[Vietnam War]] and the explosion of a space shuttle reminiscent of the {{w|Space Shuttle Challenger disaster|Space Shuttle ''Challenger'' disaster}}; based on the context, it seems likely that Jimmy was one of the victims in the latter. Whether these are meant to literally be those events (which would suggest the comic is actually supposed to be set in the 1980s) or merely stylistic renderings of purely fictional events remains to be seen.
* Carly's van art features several staples of van murals, such as a wizard inspired by {{w|Gandalf}} from ''{{w|The Lord of the Rings}}'', a barbarian resembling {{w|Conan the Barbarian|Conan}}, and a fantasy castle and dragon.
*Spike's outfit, with a red vest and blue jeans, seems to be pretty heavily based on [[Marty McFly]]'s classic outifit from ''Back to the Future''.

===Errors===
* Bumblebee's body is seen near Optimus Prime’s trailer, despite him being across the ship near Teletraan One when Starscream blew his head open.
* When Starscream is forced to break off his pursuit of the Autobots, his speech bubble is pointing to Skywarp.

===Other trivia===
* Prior to its official release, an ashcan copy of this issue was available exclusively at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2023. The ashcan had certain pages taken out to prevent spoilers, as well as featuring concept art and designs for various characters.
* In early solicitations for this issue, the cover had an original logo with blue text broken over two lines;<ref>[https://www.previewsworld.com/Catalog/AUG230407 ''Transformers'' #1 CVR A JOHNSON on PREVIEWSworld]</ref> the final cover uses the standard modern logo, leaving some unsightly negative space above Prime's head.
* This issue sold out at the distributor level before it was even officially released, prompting Skybound to announce a second printing the day before it hit retailer shelves.

===Covers===
* '''Cover A:''' Optimus Prime emerges from an explosion, by Daniel Warren Johnson and Mike Spicer.
* '''Cover B:''' The Autobots, by Daniel Warren Johnson and Mike Spicer.
* '''Cover C:''' The Decepticons, by Daniel Warren Johnson and Mike Spicer.
* '''Cover D:''' Optimus Prime destroys Starscream, by [[Ryan Ottley]].
* '''Cover E (1:10 Copy Incentive):''' Connecting cover, by [[Orlando Arocena]].
* '''Cover F (1:25 Copy Incentive):''' Optimus leaps on Starscream to save Carly's van as Laserbeak and Ravage attack, by [[Cliff Chiang]].
* '''Cover G (1:50 Copy Incentive):''' Optimus Prime, by [[Francis Manapul]].
* '''Cover H (1:100 Copy Incentive):''' Starscream holds Bumblebee’s head, by [[Ian Bertram]].
* '''Cover I:''' Blank sketch cover.
* '''Second printing cover A:'''
* '''Second printing cover B:'''
* '''Second printing cover C:'''
* '''Second printing cover D:'''
* '''FelixComicArt exclusive cover:'''
* '''San Diego Comic-Con ashcan cover:'''

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==External links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joUZgObXmU0 Director's commentary by Daniel Warren Johnson]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Transformers (2023) issues]]

Apelinq (ROTB)

2023-06-14T21:57:50Z

Ezim93:

{{disambig3|Apelinq}}
{{factions|maximal}}

:''Apelinq is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]] portion of the [[Movie continuity family]].''

[[File:ROTB-Apelinq.jpg|thumb|300px|"Apes, together....strong."]]

'''Apelinq''', a big gorilla who wields arm blades in battle, was the Maximal leader before [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|Optimus Primal]].

==Fiction==
===''Rise of the Beasts'' film===
{{Spoiler|Rise of the Beasts|July 9}}
{{Voiceactor|[[David Sobolov]] (English)|[[Kőrösi András]] (Hungarian), [[Féodor Atkine]] (European French), [[Dario Oppido]] (Italian), [[Oliver Stritzel]] (German), [[Vanderlan Mendes]] (Brazilian Portuguese), [[Héctor Estrada]] (Latin American Spanish)}}

[[File:ApelinqVsScourge.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Barack Obama. It will almost be an honor to kill you.]]
Apelinq was the leader of the Maximals on their homeworld—until [[Unicron]] showed up. In addition to wanting to consume their planet, Unicron also wanted the [[Transwarp Key]] that the Maximals had been guarding. To prevent it from falling into the hands of the [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcons]], Apelinq entrusted it to [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|Optimus Primal]], and named him the new leader of the Maximals. Apelinq instructed Primal to flee with the Transwarp Key, and remained behind to stall [[Scourge (ROTB)|Scourge]]. The Terrorcon leader made quick work of him, blasting a hole through his torso, but Apelinq taunted his killer to the end that Unicron would never get the Transwarp Key. His body was presumably consumed as well when the Maximal homeworld was subsequently devoured by Unicron. {{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts}}

==Notes==
* Apelinq was confirmed to be in the film by accident; about a month before the film was released, the Hungarian voice cast was announced, and it included Apelinq. A few days before release, David Sobolov confirmed on Instagram that he was voicing Apelinq in the film.
* Much like his [[Apelinq (BM)|original counterpart]], Apelinq's body is a recolored and modified version of Optimus Primal's, sporting a different snout, orange [[Sensors|optics]], some fur on the top of his head, and the aforementioned arm blades.

[[Category:Rise of the Beasts Maximals]]
[[Category:Maximal leaders]]

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Ezim93:

Talk:Transformers (2007 franchise)

2023-04-28T19:21:00Z

Ezim93:

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== Move to (franchise) ==
Should this be moved to Movie (franchise)? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Anyone? We don't have any other article with (continuity) as a parenthetical, but do have some with (franchise). I think it should be moved, but didn't want to just up and do it without askin' first. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

:The only problem is that's inconsistent use of the tag. The uses of "(franchise)" so far on this Wiki ([http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?search=%28franchise%29 see here]) are all for small sub-lines of larger continuities. Where the idea would be for this to serve the same purpose as the [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]] and [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]] pages and cover the '''whole''' continuity. Following established patter it would have been just [[Movie]] but that seems to be SUCH a vague general noun to use, if you know what I mean. Thoughts anyone? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:00, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
::But the Generation 1 and Robots in Disguise articles you mention both call that which they are describing a "franchise." They just have no need of (franchise) in their titles. Heck, this article itself refers to "this ''Movie'' franchise." --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

# This article should be [[Movie (franchise)]] and I am about to move it.
# The RID article without a parenthetical should be moved to RID (franchise). It is lacking a parenthetical for no clear reason, perhaps because at one time somebody thought the franchise itself was the most prominent use of the term. Even if that is the case, the rule that most prominent uses live in the parenthetical-less space has been reversed, so it should be moved anyway.
# Generation 1 is trickier, but should probably also be moved to a franchise parenthetical.
:--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

::I'm fine with tagging G1, Rid, and this "Franchise", my only question is does it make our use of the term inconsistent? Given that we've also used it as a tag for sub-lines within a continuity family (specifically Headmasters, Energon, and Cybertron). Is any given toyline a Franchise? In which case Beast Wars and Beast Machines, Masterforce, Victory, G2, ect. all need the tag too, right? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, I don't think the Generation 1 and Robots in Disguise articles need (franchise) in their title at all. Headmasters does, because that's also a kind of toy that exists separately from the franchise. Cybertron does, because that's also a planet. Energon does, because that's also a significant thing within the fiction. Movie does, because that's too non-specific. But G1, RID, BW, BM, and pretty much evey other "franchise"? I see no need for the tag on the main article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

:::: It's my understanding that a toyline and all of the cartoons, comics, and artifacts associated with it make up a franchise. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

::::: Kil, the thing is for ALL the franchises you name there are (or eventually will be) multiple entries under the same name. Ie - BW (toyline), BW (cartoon), BW (comic), heck even BW (war) since Primal specifically names them such. If, as Steve informs above, our rule is that terms with multiple appearences ALL muct now have a tag, then the main continuity/franchise article has to be under BW (franchise). Same with all the others. Except "Machine Wars". That's the only one I can think of that won't get multiple articles.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I still think it is not necessary. For example, the main Beast Wars article is obviously an overview of the entire Beast Wars franchise, with links to the articles about the specific elements of it. There's just no ''need'' to stick (franchise) in it's title. I really don't see how the fact that there are also other articles about specific elements of the franchise generates such a need. Toyline and cartoon and comic articles obviously require the tags, but the main article, IMO, does not. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 05:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Not to mention the main BW Article links to the others on the top-level. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Why aren't the character pictures updated? ==

Why are only the original bodies for the movie characters in the articles? The rotf bodies should be added alongside them to keep this wiki accurate.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 19:14, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:Er- whose ROTF bodies? AFAIK, only Megatron gets an upgrade. Starscraeam doesn't change bodies, he just repaints himself. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:18, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::Bumblebee gets some new boobs, but that's also extremely minor. (And our image is of that upgrade anyway.) I don't understand the complaint. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:56, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::You don't mean accurate, you mean up to date. Right? But one thing I'd like to know is why [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron's]] main image has changed several times in the span of a few months, but [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Prime's]] image has stayed the same for two years. Can I ask why?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 20:18, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Discussing this makes we want to make the Guido art of Optimus Prime the main pic again. Can we? ''Pretty please?'' I desperately yearn for some part of this movie ''not'' to be "badass." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:14, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I wouldn't mind. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:33, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::That's cool. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:39, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::''<nowiki>*jumps up and down like a happy little girl*</nowiki>'' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:45, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

:Firstly, I am saying that if we don't include the changes to characters in rotf, the wiki isn't up date, and therefore inaccurate. I am not saying the original images shouldn't be included. Also, are you sure about that picture of prime? It should be included, but I don't think it does very good as a main image. And the caption "We are here. We are waiting." not only goes terribly with the picture, but is bland.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 12:31, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Potential rename ==

[[Talk:Transformers_(2007_toyline)#?|Well we finally got around to moving the toyline page to some big more intuitive]]. Now how about the rest of the 2007 movie franchise pages? I propose starting with moving this page to "Transformers (2007 franchise)". [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:07, 22 January 2018 (EST)
:I think that is actually ''less'' intuitive. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:44, 22 January 2018 (EST)
::Fucking hell. NO. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:05, 22 January 2018 (EST)
:::I'm in agreement here. How is "2007 franchise" more intuitive than "movie"? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:48, 23 January 2018 (EST)
Wait, no, why IS this page called "Movie (franchise)"? From where I'm sitting, the "movie franchise" is in fact the [[live-action film series]], not the name for the specific multimedia franchise associated with one particular movie plucked from amongst the dozen-odd Transformers movies we've had between animation and live-action media. Pages like [[Transformers (film)]] and [[Transformers (2007 toyline)]] are plenty intuitive, why doesn't this one match, in line with the standard set by every other franchise on the wiki I can think of? If "Transformers (2007 franchise)" in really unacceptable, would something like "Transformers (2007 film franchise)" be better? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 13:58, 22 January 2023 (EST)
:Yeah, even back at the time there was 5 different movies (6 if you include TFTM), it doesn't make sense for this to be just at "Movie." [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:17, 22 January 2023 (EST)
::I have to agree. The current namespace is, at best, outmoded in light of the the subsequent five-and-counting additional live action film franchises. We've established a pretty resilient protocol for dealing with reused trademarks in franchise names in the intervening 16 years (most famously with [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|RID01]] and [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 franchise)|RID15]]) that the 2007 film franchise slots into fairly straightforwardly. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:08, 22 January 2023 (EST)
Remembered about this, so I figured I'd bump it one last time before someone makes the moves. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 13:37, 9 February 2023 (EST)
:Yes. Please! "Movie" is not a proper noun used by any official company! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:58, 9 February 2023 (EST)
::I would be in favour of "2007 film franchise". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:03, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
:::I am also in favor of "2007 film franchise". —[[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 15:21, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

Keegan-Michael Key

2023-04-27T23:14:05Z

Ezim93:

[[File:KeeganGarvey.jpg‎|right|thumb|300px|Where's [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] at?]]

'''Keegan-Michael Key''' (born [[March 22]], [[1971]] is an American actor, comedian, screenwriter, and producer. He first gained popularity being part of the cast of Mad TV. He would later team up with his co-star, Jordan Peele, to start another sketch comedy show, Key and Peele. Since then he has starred in several other films and TV shows including The Super Mario Bros. Movie, Whose Line is it Anyway?, and Toy Story 4. He has also appeared in a commercial for [[Paramount+]] as Mr. Garvey, a popular recurring character from Key and Peele.

==Voice roles==
===''[[Transformers One]]''===
*Bumblebee

==External links==
*[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1221047/ Keegan-Michael Key on IMDB]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Key, Keegan-Michael}}
[[Category:English voice actors]]

Keegan-Michael Key

2023-04-27T23:08:25Z

Ezim93:

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[[File:KeeganGarvey.jpg‎|right|thumb|300px|Where's [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] at?]]

'''Keegan-Michael Key''' (born [[March 22]], [[1971]] is an American actor, comedian, screenwriter, and producer. He first gained popularity being part of the cast of Mad TV. He would later team up with his co-star, Jordan Peele, to start another sketch comedy show, Key and Peele. Since then he has starred in several other films and TV shows including The Super Mario Bros. Movie, Whose Line is it Anyway?, and Toy Story 4. He has also appeared in a commercial for [[Paramount+]] as Mr. Garvey, a popular recurring character from Key and Peele.

==Voice roles==
===''[[Transformers One]]''===
*Bumblebee

==External links==
*[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1221047/ Keegan-Michael Key on IMDB]

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[[Category:English voice actors]]

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2023-04-27T23:03:57Z

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Keegan-Michael Key

2023-04-27T22:41:07Z

Ezim93:

Keegan-Michael Key

2023-04-27T22:40:38Z

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Last Bot Standing issue 4

2022-12-21T03:00:24Z

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|seriesissue=''[[Transformers: Last Bot Standing|Transformers: <br> Last Bot Standing]]'' #4
|prev=Last Bot Standing issue 3
|next=
|caption='Cause I'm a cowboy<br>On a steel horse I ride<br>I'm wanted (wanted), dead or alive
|image=LastBotStanding 4 cvrA.jpg
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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[August 31]], 2022
|coverdate=August 2022
|written by=[[Nick Roche]]
|art by=[[E. J. Su]] (pg. 1-9, 11-30) <br> [[Nick Roche]] (pg. 10)
|colors=[[Rebecca Nalty]] and [[Brittany Peer]]
|letters by=[[Joanna Nattalie]]
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'''The last Autobot steps up to save the universe one final time.'''

==Synopsis==
When [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]]'s team first touched down on [[Donnokt]], they made a shocking discovery: in a universe otherwise drained of its resources, this one inconspicuous planet concealed a vast seam of [[energon]], so abundant and potent that a single spark could ignite the entire deposit and annihilate their entire world. Future generations might discover a way to harness this vast bounty to fuel a future civilization, but until that day Rodimus recorded a message to the natives: leave the energon alone. Should other "visitors" come calling, then the people of Donnokt will use the three energon keys bequeathed to the most trustworthy members of their tribe to activate their hidden guardians—but as [[Steel Jaw|Steeljaw]] crushes the video tablet in his fist, he berates Rodimus for keeping the planet all to himself, content to starve in the midst of plenty while Steeljaw and his followers struggled to subsist on inefficient [[biofuel]]. Rodimus growls that Steeljaw and his grotesque "family" aren't the victims here—the Cybertronian race has had too many chances, and recklessly exploiting Donnokt's energon could completely destabilize the planet. [[Sharpclaw]] wonders if using the three energon keys could give them the necessary stamina to begin processing energon again, but Rodimus corrects her—there are only ''two'' now, after he used the first to wipe out Steeljaw's base camp. The thought of real energon triggers something in his followers; as they desperately dogpile their leader, one of the keys slips from Steeljaw's hand and smashes on the ground.

As Steeljaw's minions squabble amongst themselves, Rodimus orders [[Shib Wallkis|Shib]] to free the other citizens of [[Fembrance]], while Sharpclaw pleads with her brother to share the last remaining key with her. When Steeljaw refuses, Sharpclaw pounces on her brother, and in doing so drops [[Travyon Wallkis|Travyon]] and [[Beets Wallkis]] from her grasp and assist Shib as she opens the first livestock wagon. Steeljaw roars that they're letting their livestock escape, but [[Scylla]] and the rest are more interested in the last energon key, and the moment of confusion allows Rodimus to slip in and punt the key into Shib's waiting hand, who saddles up on [[Sparks (IDW)|Sparks]] and rides out. To buy time, Rodimus grabs [[Stambo]] and [[Brennet]]'s steam cars, uses his flamethrowers to ignite their fuel, and hurls them at the onrushing Cybertronians, but the knockback sends the old Autobot flying into a nearby cliff and knocks him unconscious.

''Not long after Rodimus, [[Strongarm (G1)|Strongarm]], and [[Gripper (G1)|Gripper]] landed on Donnokt, their first task was to eliminate the Decepticons who'd pursued them there until only [[Talon (G1)|Talon]] and [[Fangry (G1)|Fangry]] remained: the first and last Decepticons to learn the secret of Donnokt mere moments before Rodimus kills them. Although Gripper and Strongarm have their doubts, Rodimus insists that this is the only way to keep the rest of the universe safe.''

Energon key in hand, Shib rides up to the nearby mineshaft, with the intent of putting the device beyond the reach of the aliens—unfortunately for her, however, Sharpclaw and Steeljaw have followed her to the mine... but the sight of the mineshaft itself momentarily breaks their concentration. As Shib tries to make a quiet escape, Steeljaw catches her, opens fire, and ignites some of the nearby crystals in doing so—the resulting chain reaction causes the entire mountain to shudder. When Rodimus comes to, the black smoke makes finding Shib almost impossible, even before an enormous hand reaches down and grabs him by the head: using their remaining fuel, the surviving members of Steeljaw's crew have pooled their resources and merged into a twisted, ramshackle [[combiner]]: "[[Unstoppimus]]"!

With Shib captured, Steeljaw considers using the last remaining energon key on himself, only for an indignant Sharpclaw cuts in: although she's thankful for Steeljaw for leading them to this point, she won't scrounge for any more biofuel, not when the energon key rightfully belongs to ''both'' of them. If he wants it, he'll have to take it from her...

Meanwhile, as Rodimus faces off against Unstoppimus, he discovers that the temporary boost of energy afforded by the key has already begun to wear off—draining his ammunition in the process. Undaunted, the old Autobot shifts tactics by transforming into alternate mode, then races up the combiner's arm and transforms in mid-air to wrench Unstoppimus's head off; as the combiner collapses into its components, Rodimus nearly executes [[Lunaclub]] before he remembers Shib and races off. By the time that Rodimus reaches the mine, however, Steeljaw, having absorbed Shib's last energon key, and a badly wounded Sharpclaw have already arranged an ambush; while Sharpclaw slashes Rodimus in the throat, a furious Steeljaw continues the assault, and, as he does so, swears to turn everyone on Donnokt into biofuel before they strip-mine the planet. Despite his injuries, Rodimus just laughs, and Shib tells Steeljaw that Rodimus has already destroyed their refinery—without ''that'' fuel, the energon is worthless to them. As Sharpclaw collapses in despair, Steeljaw screams in rage, rams his fist through Rodimus's torso, and hurls his body down into the mineshaft. Although Sharpclaw tries to convince her brother that they can salvage ''something'' from their landing shaft, Steeljaw's too tired: the Cybertronian race is finished, and when he ignites the entire planet, he'll be the one to end the story. Sharpclaw wonders if, perhaps, Rodimus was right: even if their own people are functionally extinct, the people of Donnokt might have a chance, but Steeljaw won't listen, and Sharpclaw winds up taking a shot to the back when she dives to block Steeljaw from igniting the energon vein. An enraged Steeljaw reaches for Shib, determined to crush her for her impudence... but as he readies the shot that will end the planet, an empowered Rodimus—healed by exposure to pure energon and temporarily supercharged by its power—leaps from the shaft, punches Steeljaw's blaster arm off, and finally blows the ex-Decepticon's head apart as he makes one futile grab for Shib. The job done, Rodimus, victor of the very last battle his species will ever fight, finally rips the blasters from his wrists. As the sun sets, Rodimus and Shib take a moment to unwind outside the mine. Now that their secret is out, Rodimus won't be living with Shib anymore; before he leaves, he takes a moment to thank her for being the best boss he's ever had.

Time passes, and Rodimus turns his attention to helping the citizens of Fembrance: with his knowledge, the townsfolk learn how to better harness their planet's supplies of energon, and before long the townsfolk enjoy the conveniences of an electrical grid and a second generation of efficient steamramblers—while Shib and her family receive a pair of souped-up steam cars that will allow the Wallkis family to efficiently compete with their business rivals. Rodimus himself, meanwhile, eventually turns his attention to salvaging whatever he could from Steeljaw's vessel, then cobbles together a crude ship capable of housing both him and the [[stasis lock]]ed remnants of Steeljaw's followers. As his fuel supplies dwindle, Rodimus, content to slip back into stasis himself, launches his new ship on a one-way trip into orbit.

In this far-distant future, long after the end of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], in a time when even the stars themselves have burned out, the people of Fembrance can just make out the light of Rodimus's starship as it slowly slides across the night sky. As Shib gazes up into an empty sky, and remembers how Rodimus once told her that his people took the stars away, she muses that—sometimes—bringing back just ''one'' star can be enough.

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.)<br>
{{featuredcharacters

|c1=
* [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] (1)
* ''[[Strongarm (G1)|Strongarm]]'' (2)
* ''[[Gripper (G1)|Gripper]]'' (3)

|c2=
* ''[[Talon (G1)|Talon]]'' (18)
* ''[[Fangry (G1)|Fangry]]'' (19)

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* [[Beets Wallkis]] (9)
* [[Shib Wallkis]] (13)
* [[Errold]] (14)
* [[Sparks (IDW)|Sparks]] (15)
* [[Firebolt (IDW)|Firebolt]] (16)
* [[Travyon Wallkis]] (17)

|c4=
* [[Steel Jaw|Steeljaw]] (4)
* [[Lunaclub]] (5)
* [[Scylla]] (6)
* [[Cyberwarp (G1)|Cyberwarp]] (7)
* [[Sharpclaw]] (8)
* [[Riotgear (G1)|Riotgear]] (10)
* [[Override (BWU)|Override]] (11)
* [[Wedge (RID)|Wedge]] (12)
* [[Unstoppimus]] (20)
* [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] (21)
}}

==Quotes==
"We have no idea '''how long''' we've lived this way because we've had to overwrite and '''overwrite''' our memories, just to conserve resources. '''Never enough''' fuel to feel full. '''Never enough''' fuel to build lasting technology that could guide our spacecraft to search for the next source. Just star charts, guesswork, and space capsules '''fired''' into the cosmos, hoping our calculations are correct. Pooling our '''lifeblood''' to send a scout ahead—like poor '''Nitro'''—as the rest of us travel in stasis within a '''giant sarcophagus''', praying that the fuel we carry is enough to '''harvest the produce''' at our destination. And here you are. Living here, in '''unearned retirement''', while we 'live' like '''that'''."
:—'''Steeljaw'''

"We've '''run out''' of '''choices'''. And '''time'''. And... '''worlds'''. '''They''' don't get to take what's '''in this planet'''. They don't have '''the right''' to start this whole mess over again. And if there's anyone '''out there''' who wants to come looking, '''they''' don't either."
:—'''Rodimus'''

"Hrrk—knew our species was '''out of fuel'''—hadn't realized we were—hrr—out of '''names''', too..."
:—'''Rodimus''' versus Unstoppimus

"We can... there might be '''enough of them'''... the '''resources,''' I mean. Maybe we can have enough reserve supplies to '''build something''' that can... look. Let's go '''back to the camp'''. Try to salvage '''some''' equipment. Start again to... and then we can begin to mine this ore, a-a-and..." <br>
"Sharpclaw, '''sister'''—let us '''die''' like Cybertronians. Let us die like '''Decepticons'''. It's over."
:—'''Sharpclaw''' and '''Steeljaw'''

"She was '''your sister'''... and she had '''your back''', up to the end. So you shoot her '''in hers'''." <br>
"Shut up."
:—'''Shib''' and '''Steeljaw'''

"Before your kind were '''food''' to me, you were '''sport'''. I've forgotten so much. But not what it's like to end '''something like you''' between my fingers. Purely to know '''how it feels'''. This moment is all we have. Let's make '''it last''' before I turn out the light."
:—'''Steeljaw'''

"What good is a Cybertronian? What good are any of us if we can't change? You can't win, Steeljaw."
:—'''Rodimus''' versus '''Steeljaw'''

"When you came out of that mine, all fired up... '''whooo!''' You looked like a god. '''Godimus'''." <br>
"Please don't call me that. Okay, maybe just one more time."
:—'''Shib''' and '''Rodimus'''

"My time with Rodimus was short, and scary, and '''exciting.''' And he fought '''so hard''' against his own people, his '''own past''', 'cos of the guilt he had for what '''they'd done'''. Stuff that's hard to win against. But I think he done it. I think he '''was''' a '''good guy'''. A good... '''person'''. He used to talk about the stars. How the sky used to be full of 'em before his kind '''took 'em all'''. He wished he coulda '''filled the sky up''' again. Brought back the stars. He knew he couldn't. But he managed '''one'''. One's enough."
:—'''Shib''''s final monologue

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* Back in [[Last Bot Standing issue 1|issue #1]], Shib made a few references to a substance the locals called "fizzbang" being mined up in the hills beyond Fembrance, inadvertently kickstarting an industrial revolution as the natives began to use it to to fuel steam-powered machines. This issue reveals what this "fizzbang" actually ''is''—the last source of pure energon in the universe.
* To buy time while Shib escapes, Rodimus uses his flamethrowers on the steam cars used by local rich kids [[Stambo Flentz|Stambo]] and [[Brennet]] to annoy the townsfolk in issue #1.
* The first and only flashback in this issue fills in a final bit of missing detail between the flashbacks in issues 1 and [[Last Bot Standing issue 2|#2]]—while the brief shot in issue 1 showed Rodimus and his crew under fire from a group of Decepticons as they fled through space, this issue reveals that, just after landing, the three spent some time hunting down all the Decepticons who'd followed them, ensuring that none could ever discover the secret of Donnokt.
* On the second-to-last page, you can just barely spot [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]'s severed head drifting past, still stranded in space after Rodimus booted him into orbit in [[Last Bot Standing issue 3|issue #3]].

===Transformers references===
* Obscure Decepticon [[Predator (subgroup)|Predator]] [[Talon (G1)|Talon]] appears alongside [[Fangry (G1)|Fangry]] as one of the two Decepticon stragglers Rodimus kills.
* "Unstoppimus" is made up of characters who were part of combiner teams in other franchises: Riotgear and Cyberwarp formed [[Galvatronus (RID)|Galvatronus]] in [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|the 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]], Scylla and the other [[Seacon (BW)|Seacon]]s combined into [[God Neptune]] in ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]''; Lunaclub became [[Megatronia]] with [[Megaempress]] and the other [[4 Guards]], while [[Wedge (RID)|Wedge]] formed the core of [[Landfill (RID)|Landfill]] in the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 cartoon)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]]. Appropriately, Unstoppimus seems to share a transformation scheme with Landfill, most notably in how Lunaclub transforms by splitting herself in half and wrapping around Wedge's torso, [[Grimlock (RID 2001)|''Robots in Disguise'' Grimlock]]-style.
* After Rodimus defeats Unstoppimus, the dying Lunaclub begs for her life, which Rodimus (abortively) responds with "Request denied" before attempting to finish her. He memorably said the same (and followed through on the threat) to the [[airborne hunter squad]] leader in [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]]'s [[Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!|''Transformers'' #114]].
* To incapacitate Rodimus, Sharpclaw uses her, well, sharp claws to slash at Rodimus's throat and damage his voice box, which ''might'' be a reference to [[Bumblebee (Movie)|"Movie" Bumblebee]]'s famous backstory. Immediately afterwards, the shot of Steeljaw pointing his wrist-mounted blaster at Rodimus's prone body evokes [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]]'s death at the hands of [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
* Moments later, as an energized Rodimus leaps from the mineshaft, Steeljaw's surprised scream of "Sheearggh!" homages one of [[Simon Furman]]'s most-used (and beloved) sound effects.
* Rodimus' gold, Super Saiyan-esque form when charged up on energon and Shib referring to that form as "Godimus" ''might'' be a reference to the [[Lucky Draw figure]] of [[Primus]], which was a gold chrome recolored version of Rodimus' original Generation One toy.

===Real-world references===
* As Steeljaw berates a fatally wounded Rodimus on page 20, their poses deliberately mimic a [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/think-mark memetic screencap] from the television series ''{{w|Invincible (TV series)|Invincible}}''. This reference was inserted by artist E. J. Su as a nod to ''Invincible'' writer {{w|Robert Kirkman}},<ref>{{twitter| All credit to EJ! Little callout to his buddy R-Kirkz!|https://twitter.com/NickRoche/status/1565068838689030144|Nick Roche|2022|08|31}}</ref> for whom Su had illustrated ''{{w|Tech Jacket}}'', a comic set in the same continuity as ''Invincible''.
* Empowered by raw energon, the overcharged Rodimus resembles the Super Saiyans of ''{{w|Dragon Ball Z|Dragon Ball Z}}'' fame—right down to a glowing yellow "hairpiece" of flames.

===Errors===
* As mentioned above, Unstoppimus is formed from at least five Cybertronians: Wedge, Lunaclub, Cyberwarp, Riotgear, and Scylla. However, while Cyberwarp and Riotgear both form Unstoppimus's right leg, the left leg is made up of Scylla and an unspecified purple shin that doesn't seem to belong to any one character. It's ''possible'' that this is a miscolored Override—who, notably, disappears from the story after this point—but Override isn't a combiner component like the others, and it's difficult to imagine that Steeljaw's group would have the necessary time or resources to upgrade her into one...

===Other trivia===
* Originally solicited for an August 10th release, this significantly delayed issue finally drops on the very last day of August.
* Backmatter for this issue includes both black-and-white and colored art depicting Rodimus's climactic confrontation with Steeljaw, by [[E. J. Su]].

===Covers (5)===
* '''Cover A:''' A fiery Rodimus mirrors the cover of [[Last Bot Standing issue 1|issue #1]], by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
* '''Cover B:''' Life and death hang in Rodimus's hands, by [[Kei Zama]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
* '''Cover C:''' Rodimus, by [[Saren Stone]]
* '''Cover D:''' Steeljaw and Rodimus have it out in homage to the cover of [https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/7/76/Captain_America_Annual_Vol_1_8.jpg ''Captain America Annual'' #8 by Mike Zeck and John Beatty], by [[Ochopante]]
* '''Retailer incentive cover:''' Roddy's roundup, by [[E. J. Su]]

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Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)

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'''''Transformers: Rise of the Beasts''''' is the planned seventh film in the [[live-action film series]], serving both as a sequel to ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' and a tribute to ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]''. The film is directed by [[Steven Caple Jr.]] and written by [[Darnell Metayer]] and [[Josh Peters]], inspired by [[Joby Harold]]'s earlier draft. Originally expected to be released on [[June 28]], [[2019]],<ref name="toyfairreveal">[http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/02/12/transformers-5-transformers-6-bumblebee-spin-off-movie-revealed-309503 Transformers 5, Transformers 6 And Bumblebee Spin-Off Movie Revealed] ToyFair news at TFW2005</ref> the film was delayed multiple times and is currently scheduled for release on [[June 9]], [[2023]].<ref name="2023release"/>

==Cast==
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*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Dino|Mirage]] ([[Pete Davidson]])
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] ([[Liza Koshy]])
*[[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] ([[Cristo Fernández]])
*[[Stratosphere]] ([[John DiMaggio]])

|h2=[[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcon]]s|c2=
*[[Scourge (ROTB)|Scourge]] ([[Peter Dinklage]])
*[[Nightbird (ROTB)|Nightbird]] ([[Michaela Jaé Rodriguez]])
*[[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]] ([[David Sobolov]])

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*[[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|Optimus Primal]] ([[Ron Perlman]])
*[[Airazor (ROTB)|Airazor]] ([[Michelle Yeoh]])
*[[Rhinox (ROTB)|Rhinox]] (David Solobov)
*[[Cheetor (ROTB)|Cheetor]]

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|h5=[[Human]]s|c5=
*[[Noah]] ([[Anthony Ramos]])
*[[Elena]] ([[Dominique Fishback]])
*[[Noah's mother]] ([[Luna Lauren Velez]])
*[[Reek]] ([[Tobe Nwigwe]])

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==Confirmed information==

[[File:TRANSFORMERS-2022.jpg|thumb|Why did it take so long?|250px]]

*March 27, 2015 — [[Paramount Pictures]] negotiates with [[Akiva Goldsman]], hiring him to create a "writer's room" with the intention of building a cinematic universe.<ref name="goldsman">[http://deadline.com/2015/03/transformers-akiva-goldsman-paramount-sequels-spinoffs-1201400027/ Paramount Enlisting Akiva Goldsman To Ramp Up 'Transformers' Output] on deadline.com</ref> Goldsman goes on to hire a number of writers over the next few months: [[Steven DeKnight]] (''Daredevil''),<ref>[http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/transformers-cinematic-universe/35696/transformers-cinematic-details-more-writers-over-10-films Transformers cinematic details]</ref> [[Robert Kirkman]] (''The Walking Dead''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom">[http://deadline.com/2015/05/transformers-writers-robert-kirkman-zak-penn-art-marcum-matt-holloway-jeff-pinkner-1201430601/ 'Transformers' Spinoff & Sequel Scribes Set] on Deadline.com</ref> [[Art Marcum]] and [[Matt Holloway]] (''Iron Man''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Christina Hodson]] (''Shut In'', ''The Fugitive''),<ref name="hodsonbeer">[http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/446175-christina-hodson-and-lindsey-beer-join-transformers-writing-team Christina Hodson and Lindsey Beer Join the Transformers Writing Team]</ref> [[Lindsey Beer]] (''Dig''),<ref name="hodsonbeer" /> [[Zak Penn]] (''Pacific Rim 2''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Jeff Pinkner]] (''The Amazing Spider-Man 2'', ''Lost''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Andrew Barrer]] and [[Gabriel Ferrari]] (''Ant-Man''),<ref name="barrerferrari">[http://deadline.com/2015/05/transformers-ant-man-andrew-barrer-gabriel-ferrari-cybertron-1201433402/ 'Ant-Man' Scribes Andrew Barrer & Gabriel Ferrari Join 'Transformers' Writers Room] on Deadline</ref> [[Ken Nolan]] (''Black Hawk Down''), and [[Geneva Robertson-Dworet]].<ref name="nolandworet">[http://www.slashfilm.com/transformers-writers-room/ Akiva Goldsman Teases 'Transformers' Franchise Plans]</ref> Involved in the pitching process are [[Steven Spielberg]], [[Michael Bay]], [[Brian Goldner]], [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]], [[Mark Vahradian]], and [[Don Murphy]].<ref name="deadlinereveal">[http://deadline.com/2015/09/transformers-writers-room-akiva-goldsman-transformers-5-1201531918/ 'Transformers' Writers Room Wraps] on Deadline</ref>
*October 3, 2015 — During his keynote speech at the MIP Junior Conference, [[Allspark (company)|Allspark]]'s [[Stephen J. Davis]] notes that the writing team has come up with film concepts for Transformers 5, 6, 7, and 8.<ref name="stephendaviskeynote">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_P2fw_DlS4&t=812 Stephen Davis's keynote speech] at MIPJunior.</ref>
*February 12, 2016 — At [[Toy Fair 2016]], Hasbro reveals the projected release date of Transformers 7, along with the dates for the two preceding films.<ref name="toyfairreveal" />
*September 23, 2017 — At Licensing Europe 2017, Hasbro announces Transformers 7 will have an "entirely new, exciting storyline".<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/23/2019-transformers-movie-feature-entirely-new-storyline-349463 2019 Transformers Movie To Feature An Entirely New Storyline] on TFW2005</ref>
*February 16, 2018 — Hasbro clarifies at [[Toy Fair 2018]] that the film will be a reset of the franchise and has been delayed indefinitely until a new creative team is in place.<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/02/16/transformers-cinematic-universe-current-movie-series-rebooted-358641 Transformers Cinematic Universe Is Over: Current Movie Series To Be Rebooted] on TFW2005</ref>
*May 24, 2018 — Paramount drops the film from their release schedule.<ref>[http://collider.com/transformers-7-cancelled/amp/ Paramount Officially Pulls the Next 'Transformers' Sequel from Their Release Date Schedule] on Collider</ref>
*March 15, 2019 — di Bonaventura states a sequel to ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' is in development.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/two-sequels-in-transformers-live-action-franchise-confirmed-in-development/43083/ Two Sequels in Transformers Live Action Franchise Confirmed in Development] on Seibertron</ref>
*March 18, 2019 — di Bonaventura claims that the next main ''Transformers'' film will be a reboot closely tied to the ''Bumblebee'' sequel, rather than a direct sequel to ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]''. Either way, Paramount will pick the best script for ''Transformers 7'' and release that first.<ref>[https://www.gamespot.com/articles/bumblebee-producer-says-next-transformers-movie-wi/1100-6465652/ Bumblebee Producer Says Next Transformers Movie Will Be A Reboot] on GameSpot</ref>
[[File:Stevencaplejr autobot cast.jpg|thumb|250px|[[Arcee (G1)|KARR]] [[GEEWUN|NOT BIKE!]]]]
[[File:Stevencaplejr terrorcon cast.jpg|thumb|250px|Actually, [[Megatron_(Movie)#Dark_of_the_Moon_film|not the first time]] The Transformers meet {{w|Mad Max|Mad Max}}...]]
*January 27, 2020 — Variety reports two ''Transformers'' films are being penned, to be produced simultaneously: one written by [[James Vanderbilt]], another to be written by [[Joby Harold]].<ref>[https://variety.com/2020/film/news/transformers-franchise-revamp-bumblebee-james-vanderbilt-joby-harold-1203482496/ ‘Transformers’ Franchise Gets a Revamp With Two Separate Films in the Works] on Variety</ref> Deadline reports that Vanderbilt's script is for a spin-off film based on ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'', while Harold's script continues the story from the ''Bumblebee'' film.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2020/01/transformers-movies-paramount-1202843234/ Dual ‘Transformers’ Movies In The Works At Paramount] on Deadline</ref>
*May 2, 2020 — [[Hasbro]] CEO [[Brian Goldner]] confirms that a new Transformers live-action movie is slated to release on [[June 24]], 2022. However, only one between Harold's ''Bumblebee'' sequel and Vanderbilt's ''Beast Wars'' film will make it to production first.
*August 21, 2020 — New Republic Pictures is announced as a new co-financier for Paramount in a ten picture deal in the wake of the success of 2019's ''Rocketman''.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2020/08/paramount-pictures-new-republic-pictures-10-picture-cofinancing-deal-top-gun-maverick-1203018250/ New Republic Pictures Signs 10-Pic Co-Fi Deal With Paramount Pictures; ‘Top Gun: Maverick’ Among Films] on Deadline</ref>
*November 16, 2020 — [[Steven Caple Jr.]] is announced as the director.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2020/11/transformers-director-steven-caple-jr-1234613830/ Transformers’: ‘Creed 2’ Director Steven Caple Jr. Tapped To Direct Next Installment In Paramount And Hasbro Franchise] on Deadline</ref>
*April 1, 2021 — [[Anthony Ramos]] is in talks for a starring role.<ref>[https://collider.com/transformers-7-cast-anthony-ramos/ Exclusive: Anthony Ramos in Talks to Star in New 'Transformers' Movie] at Collider</ref>
*April 29, 2021 — [[Dominique Fishback]] is in final negotiations to star in the film.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2021/04/transformers-dominique-fishback-anthony-ramos-paramount-eone-and-hasbro-franchise-1234746855/ 'Transformers': Dominique Fishback Lands Lead Role Opposite Anthony Ramos In Next Installment For The Paramount Franchise] on Deadline</ref>
*June 13, 2021 — A casting call sheet for filming in Montreal reveals that the film is set in [[1992]].<ref>[https://www.transformersfr.com/t5190p250-parlons-des-films-transformers-a-venir#190206 Rumeur ― le "7ème Film Transformers en prise de vue réelle" se déroulerait en 1992] on transformersfr.com</ref>
*June 22, 2021 — A Paramount virtual event is held in which the movie's title, premise, and few of the characters and cast are unveiled (revealing it to be both the ''Bumblebee'' and ''Beast Wars'' films in one).<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Currently attending a Paramount virtual event about the next #Transformers film. Report to follow!|link=https://twitter.com/search?q=(from%3ABWTF_Ben)%20until%3A2021-06-23%20since%3A2021-06-22|name=Ben Yee|site=Twitter|year=2021|month=06|day=22}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|link=https://bwtf.com/news/rise-of-the-beasts-character-descriptions|name=Ben Yee|site=BWTF|title=Movie News: "Transformers: Rise of the Beasts" Character Descriptions|year=2021|month=06|day=22}}</ref> The film's logo and official premise are also unveiled on official Transformers social media accounts.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The battle on Earth is no longer just between Autobots and Decepticons… Maximals, Predacons, and Terrorcons join Transformers: Rise of the Beasts, in theatres June 24, 2022.|link=https://twitter.com/transformers/status/1407422768602181632|name=@transformers|site=Twitter|year=2021|month=06|day=22}}</ref>
*June 28, 2021 — [[Ron Perlman]] is announced to be reprising his role as Optimus Primal from ''[[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes]]''. [[Darnell Metayer]] and [[Josh Peters]] are confirmed as writers, inspired by Joby Harold's earlier draft.<ref>{{citesocial|quote='''Ron Perlman''' has been tapped to voice Optimus Primal in '''''Transformers: Rise of the Beasts''''', Collider has exclusively learned. [...] ''Rise of the Beasts'' will be led by rising stars '''Anthony Ramos''' (''In the Heights'') and '''Dominique Fishback''' (''Judas and the Black Messiah''), and '''Steven Caple Jr.''' (''Creed II'') is directing from a script by '''Darnell Metayer''' and '''Josh Peters''', who worked off an earlier draft by '''Joby Harold'''.|link=https://collider.com/ron-perlman-optimus-primal-voice-transformers-7-rise-of-the-beasts/|name=Jeff Sneider|site=Collider|title=Exclusive: 'Transformers: Rise of the Beasts' Adds Ron Perlman as Voice of Optimus Primal|year=2021|month=06|day=28}}</ref>
*July 11, 2021 — Rapper [[Tobe Nwigwe]] announces on Instagram that he's been cast in the movie.<ref>[https://preview.houstonchronicle.com/music/houston-s-tobe-nwigwe-earns-emmy-nom-16317174 Houston’s Tobe Nwigwe earns Emmy nom, 'Transformers' role] from the Houston Chronicle</ref>
*October 6, 2021 — Caple Jr. reveals the vehicle modes for the Autobot and Terrorcon cast through his Instagram account.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The squad is out…|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/CUsm_wyLory/|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Instagram|year=2021|month=10|day=06}}</ref>
*October 20, 2021 — Filming is completed.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=That’s a wrap 🎬|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/CVOw5z2r9TP/|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Instagram|year=2021|month=10|day=20}}</ref>
*October 21, 2021 — Cuscopolita reports on the vehicles with the film's Peru crew, confirming the unidentified vehicles as [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] and [[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]].<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.facebook.com/cuscopolitamagazine/videos/1941112319403899|name=Cuscopolita|site=Facebook|title=Exclusiva con los Transformers|year=2021|month=10|day=20}}</ref>
*October 22, 2021 — Ramos makes a guest appearance on [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2021]], confirming Cheetor, his favorite ''Beast Wars'' character, will be in the film.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I am a ''Transformers'' fan, ''Beast Wars'' fan, Cheetor is my #1 favorite of all time, so it's dope to have Cheetor, to be in this movie with Cheetor, it's gonna be crazy.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtxJqrv-bI&t=6051s|name=Anthony Ramos|site=YouTube|title=Hasbro PulseCon 2021 - DAY ONE|year=2021|month=10|day=22}}</ref>
*November 10, 2021 — Paramount announces the film has been delayed to [[June 9]], [[2023]].<ref name="2023release">{{citesocial|quote=Transformers: Rise of the Beasts has moved back a year and will now bow June 9, 2023. It previously was slated for June 24, 2022.|link=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/star-trek-transformers-movie-release-date-1235045937/|name=Aaron Couch|site=The Hollywood Reporter|title=‘Star Trek,’ ‘Transformers’ Movies Pushed Back at Paramount|year=2021|month=11|day=10}}</ref>
*February 15, 2022 — Paramount confirms that ''Rise of the Beasts'' will be the first entry in a trilogy of films.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Transformers: Rise of the Beasts will be released theatrically in 2023 and is the first of three new installments. A new animated series from @Nickelodeon arrives this fall. And in 2024, the franchise expands further with a CG animated Transformers theatrical film. #ParamountPlus|link=https://twitter.com/paramountplus/status/1493706271207292928|name=@paramountplus|site=Twitter|year=2022|month=02|day=15}}</ref>
*October 11, 2022 — Caple Jr. revealed through Instagram that [[Pete Davidson]] is the voice of Mirage, and [[Michelle Yeoh]] is the voice of Airazor.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Sneak peek of Pete voicing Mirage & @michelleyeoh_official blessing us as the voice of Air Razor|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/Cjlx3PPPC_J/|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Instagram|year=2022|month=10|day=11}}</ref>
*October 21, 2022 — [[Tobe Nwigwe]] states on an Instagram post that they are doing some re-shoots for ''Rise of the Beasts'', including featuring his character in additional scenes.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The head people from ''Transformers'' said I did so good in my part they wanna add me to some more scenes. So I gotta go shoot some more stuff for ''Transformers''.|link=https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cj9PnevsVb1/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY|name=Tobe Nwigwe|site=Instagram|year=2022|month=10|day=21}}</ref>
*December 1, 2022 — The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiE38DvpZKI official teaser trailer] is released through [[Hasbro Pulse]]'s YouTube channel. Multiple voice cast members are also announced.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2022/12/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-peter-dinklage-liza-koshy-john-dimaggio-cast-1235186104/]</ref>
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==Notes==
*In a first for the franchise, the lead human actors, writers, and director are all persons of color.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''''Transformers/Beast Kakusei''''' (トランスフォーマー/ビースト覚醒 ''Toransufōmā Bīsuto Kakusei'', "Transformers: Beast Awakening")
*''Cantonese:'' '''''Bin<sup>3</sup>jing<sup>4</sup> Gam<sup>1</sup>gong<sup>1</sup>: Kwong<sup>4</sup>sau<sup>3</sup> Gwat<sup>6</sup>hei<sup>2</sup>''''' (變形金剛：狂獸崛起, "Transformers: Rise of the Beasts")
*''German:'' '''''Transformers: Aufstieg der Bestien''''' ("Transformers: Rise of the Beasts")
*''Italian: '' '''''Transformers: Il Risveglio''''' ("Transformers: The Awakening")
*''Mandarin:'' '''''Biànxíng Jīngāng: Wàn Shòu Juéqǐ''''' (Taiwan, 變形金剛：萬獸崛起, "Transformers: Rise of the Beasts")
*''Portuguese:'' '''''Transformers: O Despertar das Feras''''' (Brazil, "Transformers: The Awakening of the Beasts")
*''Spanish:'' '''''Transformers: El Despertar de las Bestias''''' (Latin America, "Transformers: The Awakening of the Beasts")

==References==
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'''[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]''' has many toys! And merchandise! [[User:ItsWalky|No sane person]] would own all of them!

==Toys==
===''Armada''===
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[[File:Hotshotarmadatoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Hotted shots up ahead!]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (Super-Con Class, 2002/2003)
**''Takara ID number'': '''MC-03'''
**''Takara release date'': [[December 26]], 2002
**''Accessories'': Missile, engine-block/rifle
{{toydesigner|[[Aaron Archer]] (Hasbro)}}

: Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' "Super-Cons" (aka Deluxes), Hot Shot transforms into a modified yellow {{w|Audi TT}}. He is packaged with the [[Mini-Con]] helicopter [[Jolt (Armada)#Toys|Jolt]], who can peg onto the trunk of Hot Shot's vehicle mode to act as a rear-mounted "speed boosting" propeller. Jolt's massive gun plugs into Hot Shot's hood, releasing a pair of "driving claws" from his front bumper; these function as his feet in robot mode, so activating these is a necessary step in transforming him. When Hot Shot is in robot mode, attaching Jolt or any Mini-Con to the port on his butt flips his rear axle up over his head; pushing up on the port then rotates the axle to face forward, automatically launching a spring-loaded missile, a gimmick fans have dubbed the "Axlezooka". Hot Shot's visor can also flip down over his face, and Jolt's gun can attach to his chest as armor. Jolt's gun also has its own Mini-Con socket, allowing it to activate any Mini-Con activated features.

:"Hot Rod," [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''Legends of the Microns'' version of Hot Shot, was released in altered colors, with a more saturated yellow and some dark gray paint in places instead of navy blue. Additionally, more of the belt straps on his chest were painted silver, his pelvis was painted a darker red, and there was clearer paint on his Autobot symbol. A [[retool]] (or vice versa) of [[Hasbro]]'s Hot Shot, his right arm houses a light-up LED (for accommodating the translucent Star Saber sword) that glows when his side-view mirror is pressed, a feature that was dropped from the American version due to price-point concerns.

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed and [[retool]]ed for the [[#ArDxPx|"Powerlinx" Hot Shot]] version of the character (see below). That retool was scheduled to be [[redeco]]ed for ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' "[[Battle in a Box]]" [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreen]], but that set was canceled.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/HotShot/hotshot.htm More information on Hot Shot at TFU.info]''

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*'''Hot Rod w/ Jolt and Air Defense Microns''' (Multi-pack, 2002)
**''Takara ID number'': '''MS-01'''
**''Takara release date'': [[December 26]], 2002
**''Accessories'': Missile, engine-block/rifle

:Takara's Hot Rod was also released in a box set with the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)#Toys|Air Defense Mini-Con Team]]. All items in the set are identical to their individual (Takara) releases.

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[[File:Hotshotpowerlinx.jpg|right|300px|thumb|[[Destiny, Part Three|No, yeah, I'm totally that Hot Rods guy.]]]]
*'''Powerlinx Hot Shot''' (Super-Con Class, 2003)
**''Takara ID number'': '''MC-13'''
**''Takara release date'': September ??, 2003
**''Accessories'': Missile, engine-block/rifle

: A red, yellow, and black [[redeco]] and [[retool]] of the first Hot Shot, Powerlinx Hot Shot has a new head that has a more "serious" look, and his visor, sculpted directly into the new head, is no longer articulated. Intended to be an [[homage]] to "[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]" [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], he has a yellow spoiler and flames on his hood. Due to a factory error, his forehead is painted gray instead of left red. Later in the line, a running change granted Powerlinx Hot Shot with a cleaner faction symbol. Even ''later'' in the run, the forehead paint application was removed, but that particular version is extremely rare.

: The Japanese version, "Hot Rod Super Mode", fixed this forehead mistake, replaced the gold flames with yellow, painted the shoulder symbol more clearly, and retained the LED light-up arm the first Japanese version featured.

:This mold was scheduled to be [[redeco]]ed for ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' "[[Battle in a Box]]" [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreen]], but that set was ultimately canceled.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/PXHotShot/hotshot.htm More information on Powerlinx Hot Shot at TFU.info]''

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*'''Powerlinx Hot Shot''' (Super-Con Class, 2003)
**''Accessories'': Missile, engine-block/rifle

:In November of 2003, US [[Toys"R"Us]] stores had special bonus pack Super-Con toys, which came with a single bonus Mini-Con attached to the card over their sticker, for ''less'' than the price of a normal Super-Con during Toys"R"Us' post-Thanksgiving-day sale. Like [[Cyclonus (Armada)#Powerlinx|Powerlinx Cyclonus]], Powerlinx Hot Shot could come with one of the [[Adventure Mini-Con Team]] members: [[Dune Runner (Armada)#Toys|Dune Runner]], [[Iceberg#Toys|Iceberg]] or [[Ransack (Armada)#Toys|Ransack]].

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===''Built to Rule!''===
[[File:BTR-toy HotShot.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Buy a bunch of him and recreate [[City of Fear!]]]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (Built to Rule!, 2003)
**''Accessories'': 2 missile launchers, 2 missiles

:Part of the larger-scale assortment of ''[[Built to Rule!]] Armada'', Hot Shot is a building-block set centered around a converting "Trans-Skeleton" that forms the core of either mode: his made-up sportscar mode, or his incredibly gangly and awkward robot mode. He has two spring-loaded missile launchers activated by rotating a 2x2 drum assembly on the tops. He also has a 2x2 "Powerlinx"-peg plate, which can hold any ''BTR'' or regular-type Mini-Con, though the grip on the latter is particularly loose. Oddly, this is the only ''BTR Armada'' kit that places this plate on the trigger mechanism of the missile launcher (at least, according to the [[instructions]]) to simulate the regular ''Armada'' line's Powerlinx-activated gimmicks.

: He comes with a building-block version of [[Jolt (Armada)#Built to Rule!|Jolt]].

: His 2x4 engine-block piece would later show up in some ''[[Kre-O]]'' sets.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/BTRHotShot/hotshot.htm More information on Built to Rule! Hot Shot at TFU.info]''
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===''Universe'' (2003)===
[[File:Universe2003toy-OptimusPrimeSuper.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Seriously, it's not that hard to get hold of a Matrix of Leadership. Have you tried asking nicely?]]
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Supreme Class, 2003)
**''Accessories'': Pistol, 4 missiles
{{note|''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]]'s inner robot was officially (if comedically) [[repurposing|repurposed]] as an upgraded form for Hot Shot named "Shotimus Prime" by [[Hot Shot's Bot Thoughts issue 2|''Hot Shot's Bot Thoughts'' #2]].}}

: A Sam's Club [[exclusive]], the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' release of ''Robots in Disguise'' Optimus Prime basically swapped out all of its red plastic for a yellow-orange color, with a black "bandolier". He transforms into a Japanese Hino Brandlier fire truck, the forward section of which truck detaches to become his standard [[robot mode]]. His '[[trailer]]' can be reconfigured into a sort of battle station, which can then be disassembled and attached around the robot to form his Battle Mode. For some reason, the Autobot symbol on his chest in Battle Mode is left unpainted.As an undocumented feature, Optimus Prime's pistol can be stored on the right side of a backpack.

: The toy incorrectly proclaims that Optimus Prime's transformation into super mode uses the code-phrase "[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|maximize]]". Additionally, the toy has the unfortunate tendency for its rubber tires to split down its molding connection. The ladder comes complete with missiles allowing them to be launched one-at-a-time via individual triggers. The standard [[robot mode]] has four pegs on its arms that happen to be sculpted in such a way that they can function as [[Mini-Con]] ports, though they weren't designed with this in mind, since the original toy coming out before the ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' toyline.

: He came packed in [[robot mode]] in an upright display package, which featured a sticker on the front with a hilariously mistransformed [[Omega Prime]], advertising the toy's combining ability with the simultaneously-released, slightly-redecoed Sam's Club exclusive ''Universe'' release of ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]].

: This Optimus Prime was also [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Optimus Prime (Universe)|Yellow Splendid Convoy]]. The mold was also used to make [[Defensor (OTFCC)#Universe .282003.29|OTFCC Defensor]], but that toy ended up unreleased.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/TFUOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Universe'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Energon''===
[[File:Energontoy-HotShot.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Hot Shot, part deux.<br>(''Hasbro version pictured'')]]
[[File:SLtoy-HotShot.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Electric Boogaloo.<br>(''Takara version pictured'')]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (Combat Class, 2004)
**''Takara ID number'': '''SC-02'''
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, "radar" panel attachment

:In ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'', Hot Shot was updated as a modified yellow {{w|Aston Martin Vanquish}}. He can carry a transparent red spring-loaded missile-launching weapon in either mode, and features a small Autobot [[spark crystal]] on his chest on which [[Energon star|Energon chips]] can be mounted. Like nearly all other Autobots in the ''Energon'' line, he can [[powerlinx]] with like-designed toys to form the top or bottom of a super robot. Hot Shot's articulation is relatively limited compared to other deluxes of the time, having peculiar balljointed shoulders, as well as lacking knees and a neck.

:Takara released "Hotshot" in similar colors, changing the slate blue plastic to a dark, nearly-black blue, dropping the black paint on his car roof, and adding metallic blue paint to his chest. His head is also an almost-identical-but-refined sculpt, most noticeably the proportions and sculpt sharpness of the mouth and chin, along with less bulbous eyes.

:Similar to the contemporary [[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]] and Energon Optimus Prime, the Hasbro figure had a running change during its second wave of production. While the first wave Hot Shot figures had gray faces, later releases had silver painted faces using the Takara head sculpt, with a transitional silver-faced Hasbro headed version in between. Hot Shot's head sculpt appears to have changed ''very'' late in the design process from having a visor to having exposed eyes like his Armada version; The Hasbro head is pictured on Hot Shot's [[control drawing|control art]], as in a [https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B131dK6nhZY/XlKJ7-mBltI/AAAAAAAA8Zc/3rRC1mF0B5YQ8Gbr5WsAQHqwVYjejm5EQCKgBGAsYHg/s1600/TFE_Settei_2_0051.jpg ''photo of a prototype headsculpt is literally pasted over the original line art''], so the Hasbro head use may have been a consequence of tight deadlines, with Takara cleaning up the sculpt later.

:This mold was later redecoed to make the [[#EnDxEn|"Energon" powered-up version of the character]]. It was also [[retool]]ed to make the ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' incarnation of [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] and ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/HotShot/hotshot.htm More information on Energon Hot Shot at TFU.info]''

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[[File:En-toy HotShotInfernoSet.jpg|right|200px|thumb|♫''Stuck as a middle with you...''♫]]
*'''Hotshot / Inferno Super Link Set''' (Multi-pack, 2004)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''SS-01'''
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, "radar" panel attachment

:In Japan, Takara released "Hotshot" both individually and in a single "Super Link Set" with [[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]]. Both toys are identical to their individual Japanese releases.
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[[File:Energontoy-EnergonHotShot.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Silver on the outside, Armada colors on the inside!<br>(''Hasbro version pictured'')]]
[[File:SLtoy-HotShotFire.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He has a heart that [[Burning justice|burns for justice]]. Try some Tums, Hot Shot!<br>(''Takara version pictured'')]]
*'''Energon Hot Shot''' (Combat Class, 2004)
**''Takara ID number'': '''SC-23'''
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, "radar" panel attachment

:''Energon'' Energon Hot Shot gave the car mode a silver-painted finish and the robot parts a dark blue, yellow, and red color scheme reminiscent of ''Armada'' Hot Shot's colors. Curiously, Energon Hot Shot switched back to the Hasbro version of Hot Shot's head (see above), meaning the Takara head was not a [[retool]], but an entirely separate mold.

:When he was released in Japan as "Hotshot Fire," his car mode was unpainted silver plastic, while the yellow plastic was changed to a sherbet orange, the dark blue plastic to black, and the transparent orange plastic to a transparent crimson red. He also came packaged with the [[Energon weapon|Energy Cutter]], a transparent watermelon red redeco of [[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]]'s [[energon weapon]], plus a matching [[Energon star|energon chip]]. Hotshot Fire uses the Takara version of Hot Shot's head.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/EHotShot/hotshot.htm More information on Energon Energon Hot Shot at TFU.info]''
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===''Cybertron''===
[[File:Hotshotcybertrontoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Hot Shot's Blue Period.]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (Deluxe Class, 2005)
**''Takara ID number'': '''GC-02'''
**''Takara release date'': [[December 28]], [[2004]]
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, Speed Planet Cyber Key
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''d85b'''
{{toydesigner|[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (concept artist)}}

: Released in the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]/[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)#Takara Galaxy Force toyline|Galaxy Force]]'' toys, this version of Hot Shot transforms into a heavily modified blue {{w|Chrysler ME Four-Twelve}} sports car with a huge rear engine. Plugging a [[Cyber Key]] into the rear of the car deploys a pair of transparent yellow wings from his spoiler, a gimmick also available in robot mode. He also comes with a spring-loaded missile-launching gun that can be carried in robot mode or pegged into the roof of the car mode.

: His robot mode has numerous details in [[homage]] to [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], including the triple-pipe-guns on his forearms, the spoiler-wings on his back, and the sculpting of his shins and chest.

: The Takara release, "Exillion," is almost completely identical to the later Hasbro version other than a slight molding difference; two screws on either side of the spoiler are visible in the American release and all subsequent uses of the mold, but the original Japanese use of the mold had these screws buried. And, of course, the Hasbro release has a [[Cyber Key Codes|Cyber Key Code]] stamped on its back.

: Package art depicted Hot Shot's gun with a black trigger, but it was red plastic on the final toy.

:This sculpt was used to make Exillion Red Version [[#CyDVD|(see below)]], [[Excellion (Cybertron)#Cybertron|Excellion]], ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]''/''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Goldbug (SG)#Toys|Goldbug]] (with a new head sculpt) and [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|2007 movie series]] [[Breakaway (Movie)#Toys(2007)|Breakaway]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/HotShot/hotshot.htm More information on ''Cybertron'' Hot Shot at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Hotshotlegendsblue.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I may be the worst ''Legends of Cybertron'' toy!]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (Legends of Cybertron, 2005/2006)

: A smaller, simplified version of ''Cybertron'' Hot Shot was released as part of the first wave of ''[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends of Cybertron]]'' toys. He features limited articulation of the arms and legs, and he retains the flip-out wings.

:This mold was used to make a [[#CyLoC2|second Legends of Cybertron Hot Shot (see below)]], ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]], and 2008's ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Red Alert (G1)#Universe (2008)|Red Alert]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/LOCHotShot/hotshot.htm More information on Legends of Cybertron Hot Shot at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Hotshotcybertrondefensetoy.jpg|right|upright=1.66|thumb|He's full of tiny missiles. Bubbles, not so much.]][[File:CDHotShot-cardback.jpg|right|upright=1.66|thumb|Variant enthusiasts, I tease you. (''Unreleased deco pictured'')]]
*'''Cybertron Defense Hot Shot''' (Deluxe Class, 2005)
**''Takara ID number'': '''GC-19'''
**''Takara release date'': [[July 14]], 2005
**''Accessories'': Knife, Cybertron Autobot Cyber Key, Scrapmetal standee (Takara release only)
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''d1o4'''

:Cybertron Defense Hot Shot transforms into a modified {{w|M1117 Armored Security Vehicle|M1117 Guardian Armored Security Vehicle}}, in the same blue, navy, and red color scheme as the previous ''Cybertron'' Hot Shot. A Cybertron Cyber Key is included and when the key is inserted into the back of the turret, the two gun barrels open up into dual (non-firing) missile launchers. Compartments on his shoulders and his thighs can also open up to reveal additional missile launchers. Cybertron Defense Hot Shot also comes with a dagger that stows between his legs and sort-of acts as an exhaust pipe in vehicle mode, and when in robot mode, the dagger can be hand-held, peg into the front of his fist, or be stored on a sheath on his left leg. The same sheath can be used to store his Cyber Key in vehicle mode.

:The instructions for this toy contain some minor visual errors: his black shoulder panels have been swapped, and some steps apparently have him flipped (with the sword/key sheath on his left leg instead of his right).

:"Exigeyser", Cybertron Defense Hot Shot's Japanese counterpart, is completely identical, but also came with a cardboard standup depicting three [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]]. The American version of Cybertron Defense Hot Shot was at some point intended to have a slightly altered deco, which is shown in the [[stock photography|stock photos]] on the back of the packaging, but this altered deco for some reason never superseded the Japanese deco for American release. This unreleased deco featured mud splashes painted around the wheel wells and some re-arranged deco on the robot chest.

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' [[Springer (G1)/toys#Timelines|Springer]] and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Roadbuster (G1)#Universe (2008)|Roadbuster]]. It also served as the basis of the non-toy ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Hardhead (BW)|Hard Head]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/CDHotShot/hotshot.htm More information on Cybertron Defense Hot Shot at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Redexillion.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Dip it in red, don't even change the paint mask. I'll take your entire stock! Of 500!]]
*'''Exillion Red Version''' (DVD pack-in, 2005-[[June 22|06-22]])
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, Speed Planet Cyber Key

:Exillion Red Version is a redeco of the ''Cybertron'' Hot Shot toy in red, dark red, and orange, with transparent blue. Aside from the retooled screwholes, he's a straight-on color swap from ''Galaxy Force'' Exillion with the same [[paint operation]] layout. Limited to 500, it came with the first ''Galaxy Force'' DVD and an empty box set to prepare for the next few ''Galaxy Force'' DVD releases. This redeco took advantage of the toy's homage to ''Generation 1'' Hot Rod, completing the homage with appropriate colors, though the toy is still supposed to represent the Hot Shot/Exillion character.

:Before the toy saw official release, several stolen [[prototype|test shots]] entered the market, though in a [http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act368/ slightly altered color treatment] than the final. Originally, the dark red was a brighter red.

:This toy was the indirect inspiration for ''Cybertron'' [[Excellion (Cybertron)|Excellion]], who is marketed as a separate character, unlike this toy. (The direct inspiration, of course, being the original Hot Rod.)

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/DVDExillion/exillion.htm More information on Exillion Red Version at TFU.info]''

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*'''Hot Shot with Mirage''' (Tiny Tins multi-pack, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, Speed Planet Cyber Key
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''d85b'''

: Part of a run of [[Walmart]] exclusive [[Tiny Tins]] sets, Hot Shot was also sold in a larger box that came with a special [[redeco]] of the [[Race Mini-Con Team]] member [[Mirage (Armada)#Cybertron|Mirage]], plus a special Tiny Tins carrying tin for the Mini-Con.

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*'''Value Pack''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, Speed Planet Cyber Key
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''d85b'''

: For a while, [[Toys"R"Us]] and [[Walmart]] stores in the US sold "Value Packs" with two randomly paired, fully packaged Deluxes set in a cardboard sleeve and sold at somewhat less than the cost of two normal Deluxes.

: This packs could include Hot Shot, [[Dirt Boss (Cybertron)#Toys|Dirt Boss]], [[Override (Cybertron)#Toys|Override]], [[Red Alert (Armada)#Cybertron|Red Alert]], [[Sideways (Armada)#Cybertron|Sideways]], or [[Snarl (Cybertron)#Toys|Snarl]].

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*'''Drag Race Pack! Hot Shot vs. Override''' (Multi-pack, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, Speed Planet Cyber Key
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''d85b'''

: Hot Shot was also available in a Target-exclusive two-pack set with [[Override (Cybertron)#Toys|Override]]. Both toys are identical to their individual releases.

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[[File:LOCExcellion.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Bitin' Excellion's style.]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (Legends of Cybertron, 2006)

:This redeco of [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends of Cybertron]] Hot Shot uses Excellion's approximate coloration and paint scheme; however, the toy is not actually labelled "Excellion", merely "Hot Shot". The reason for this is unclear.

:This mold was later redecoed to make ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Legends [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#LOC|Bumblebee]], and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Red Alert (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Red Alert]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/LOCHotShot/hotshot.htm More information on Legends of Cybertron recolor Hot Shot at TFU.info]''
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===''Classics''===
*'''Hot Shot''' (Legends Class, 2007)

:Bizarrely enough, Hot Shot was one of three [[rebranding|rebranded]] ''Cybertron'' Legends toys released in ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' packaging, though with the modifier "Cybertron Collection" printed on the cardfront. The toy itself is identical to the ''Cybertron'' release.

===''Universe'' (2008)===
[[File:UniverseHotShotJolt.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Hasbro hates the fans, plural, but loves [[David Willis]].]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (Deluxe Class, 2009)

:An update of his ''Armada'' form, Hot Shot transforms from a sleek yellow Audi TT-like hot rod sports car with transparent windows and headlights into a fully poseable robot. Jolt is able to attach via a Mini-Con peg on Hot Shot's shoulder, but this doesn't activate any features. Jolt plugs into Hot Shot's vehicle mode by pushing the arms/engines through slots under the spoiler; Jolt cannot fold so that his propeller faces back like the original toy. Additionally, Hot Shot's fist holes are smaller than the standard 5mm, making him incompatible with all weapons from his previous forms. Because there is no gap molded into the rear bumper to accommodate missile launchers (see below), the car kibble over his shoulders bumps together and cannot sit properly. He's also infamous for having a horribly finicky transformation, with his windshield, door, and roof pieces refusing to lock together and continually detaching from their proper position.

:Hot Shot's prototype featured transparent plastic on his side windows to match his windshield and rear window, but was replaced with painted opaque windows on the final toy.

:''Universe'' Hot Shot was [[redeco]]ed and [[retool]]ed into ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' [[Hot Shot (Henkei!)#Henkei! Henkei!|Hot Rod]]. The ''Henkei! Henkei!'' version retains missile launchers originally planned for the Hasbro release. The ''Henkei! Henkei!'' version of the mold was redecoed as the Transformers Collectors' Club 2010 freebie, [[Dion (G1)#Timelines|Elite Guard Dion]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TFUHotShot/hotshot.htm More information on ''Universe'' Hot Shot at TFU.info]''
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===''Generations Selects''===
[[File:Selects-WFC-GS09-Siege-Deluxe-Hot-Shot.jpg|thumb|300px]]
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:''[[Generations Selects (toyline)|Generations Selects]]'' Hot Shot is a retool of ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' Deluxe Class [[Hound (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Hound]] with a new head and a paint job based off [[#CyCDF|the Cybertron Defense Deluxe figure]] from ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]''.
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===''Legacy''===
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[[File:TF Legacy Deluxe Class Hot Shot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Armada Universe Hot Shot''' (Deluxe Class, [[2023]])
**''Accessories'': Engine block gun
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Takashi Kunihiro]] (TakaraTomy)}}<ref>[https://youtu.be/vuZHDR3ZBd8 Transformers Panel] at [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]] Day 1 on the [[Hasbro Pulse]] YouTube channel.</ref>

:Part of the first wave of Deluxes in ''[[Transformers: Legacy: Evolution|Legacy: Evolution]]'', Hot Shot is a cartoon-accurate version of the character that transforms into his yellow sports-car form. He includes an engine block gun like his original ''Armada'' toy, but unlike that toy, he does not include [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]]. His [[Evo-Fusion]] gimmick allows his Axlezooka to emerge from his back, though noticeably, it's triggered manually and not triggered by any Mini-Cons. However, there is a 5mm port on the rear of Hot Shot's car mode. Hmm...

:This figure was revealed during [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]].
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==Merchandise==
===McDonald's===
[[File:Mcdonaldshotshot1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You can't have too many of these.]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (Happy Meal, 2002)
**''Accessories'': Car roof (Asian market variant only)

:Released as part of the [[McDonald's]] Happy Meal ''Armada'' promotion, Hot Shot transformed from robot to yellow car. He had a Powerlinx post on each shoulder and Powerlinx ports under each foot, which enabled him to combine with the other McDonald's Autobots to form [[Mighty Robot]]. The ports on his feet can be used to access Mini-Con gimmicks on larger Armada toys, but since they're on the bottom of his feet in robot mode, it would be a pretty awkward fit on most figures. Hot Shot's vehicle mode also features a pull-back motor.

:[[File:Mcdonaldshotshot2.jpg|left|150px|thumb|An ''Armada'' Hot Shot with transparent windows? Gasp!]]
:In some Asian markets, a slightly different Hot Shot toy was available. The robot arms did not form from the roof of the car; instead the roof was a separate transparent piece which detached during transformation and pegged into his robot mode's back. The arms are now colored blue as well, for some reason. The reason for this version's existence is not known.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/McHotShot/hotshot.htm More information on McDonald's Hot Shot at TFU.info]''
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===Reader's Digest 3D Model===
[[File:Hotshotarmadaplasticcardfigurine.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not much less poseable than the actual toy!]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (3D Model, 2002)
:A plastic punch-out "exclusive collectible 3-D model" of Hot Shot was a prize packaged with Reader's Digest's ''[[Decepticon Attack!]]'' and ''[[Enter the Mini-Cons]]'' storybooks. Hot Shot was one of eight characters available, and each book came with two randomized characters. The assembled figure stands two inches tall.
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===''Super Collection Figure''===
[[File:SCF HotShot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I'm seein' double! ''Four'' Hot Shots!]]
*'''Hot Rod''' ([[December 27]] 2002)
**''Act'': '''9'''
**''Accessories'': Stand

: A non-transforming PVC figure of Hot Shot, based on his animation model, was available in "Act 9" of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[Heroes of Cybertron|Super Collection Figure]]'' series. This figure came in both full color and solid-pewter finish, packed one each in every case of twelve [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] figures.

: The pewter version of the figure has a potential problem with connector peg breakage at the shoulders, due to said pegs often getting a layer of pewter paint before being forced into a socket, leading to sticking and tearing. Care should be used when moving or removing the arms; shaving down the socket interior with a thin hobby knife is usually sufficient to fix the issue.
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===''Mega Super Collection Figure''===
[[File:MegaSCFHotRod.jpg|right|300px|thumb|[[Nucleon (substance)|More alive!]]]]
*'''Hot Rod''' (Mega Super Collection Figure, 2002)

:Mega SCF Hot Rod is a larger, articulated non-transforming PVC action figure of Hot Shot, based upon his cartoon model. He came with his engine gun and a small, non-transformable PVC figurine of his [[Mini-Con]] partner, [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]].
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===''Big Transformers''===
[[File:Bigtransformershotrod.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Well, "big" is relative.]]
*'''Hot Rod''' (Big Transformers, 2002)

:[[Kabaya]] released a set of three separately-boxed ''Legends of the Microns'' figurines, dubbed "Big Transformers", which featured nontransformable, lightly-articulated plastic toys of Hot Shot, Megatron, and Optimus Prime. Each came with a tiny plastic representation of their respective Mini-Con partners in vehicle mode, which could peg onto them. Like most Kabaya toys, Hot Shot came with barely-edible gum.
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===''Transformers Mini Car Collection''===
[[File:Majorettehotrod.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You will regret eating the gum.]]
*'''Hot Rod''' (die-cast car, 2002)

:[[Majorette]] and Kabaya offered a small range of ''Legends of the Microns''-themed die-cast cars. Hot Shot was represented by a yellow Audi TT with decals of himself, the Autobot symbol, and the ''Legends of the Microns'' logo across the surface of the car. It also comes with a package of terrible gum.
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===''Battle for Cybertron Game''===
[[File:Armadaboardgamehotshot.jpg|right|300px|thumb|whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop]]
*'''Transformers Armada: Battle for Cybertron Game''' (board game, 2002)

:[[Transformers Armada: Battle for Cybertron Game]] came with eight fully-painted PVC figurines, one of which was Hot Shot.
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===Puzzle===
*'''Hot Shot puzzle'''

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===Backpack===
*'''Hot Shot backpack'''

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===''Bubble Twist''===
[[File:Hotshotbubbletwist.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Taste the rainbow.]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (Bubble Twist, 2003)

:In 2003, Toys"R"Us carried a line of candy toys called [[Bubble Twist]], which dispensed gum from its capsule-shaped container when twisted. Also contained in the capsule was an unpainted rubber figurine of a ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' or ''Transformers [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' character, including Hot Shot. Blindpacked, each figure came in several different possible colors.
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===''Attacktix''===
[[File:Attacktix CybHotShot.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Who needs Jolt when you have a Laffy Taffy shield?]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (Booster, 2006)
{{attacktix
|ID=TF09
|faction=Autobot
|class=Warrior
|special=Rally - 10/26 (38%) success ratio
|cost=40
|speed=4
|attacktype=Shooter (Energy Blast)
}}
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:Part of the first assortment of ''[[Attacktix]]'' Booster Packs, Hot Shot is a "Super Rare" piece with a spring-loaded "shield-missile" attack. His Special Power "Rally" allows you to return one of your previously-defeated [[Autobot]] pieces back into play. The figure commonly has a black base, but like all Boosters, a rarer chrome-silver-base version was randomly packed into boxes as well.

:This mold was also used to make ''Attacktix'' Excellion, who was also a wave-1 Booster piece.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/AttacktixHotShot/hotshot.htm More information on ''Attacktix'' Hot Shot at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[File:Hotshotprotocolor.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Transforms from car to linebacker and back!]]
*[[#ArDx1|''Armada'' Hot Shot's toy]] had to be completely re-engineered close to release. Due to a structural flaw (and gravity), Hot Shot's arms were not able to attach securely to his shoulders. Furthermore, designer [[Aaron Archer]] felt the early design's wide, football player-like physique was inappropriate to the character archetype. Last-minute changes were made to the design to rework the transformation of the arms, necessitating the dropping of some articulation and the addition of [[kibble]] elsewhere to compensate.
[[File:ArcherSays.jpg|right|150px|thumb]]
*''Armada'' Hot Shot's infamous grin was actually a misinterpretation of Aaron Archer's original concept art which depicted Hot Shot clenching his teeth together in an open-lipped, determined expression. The head of the original tooling had a maniacal, perhaps unhinged-looking smile in response to this concept art, so the grin was scaled back on the final toy. The grin was removed completely and replaced with a neutral, stern expression when the head was resculpted for [[#ArDxPx|Powerlinx Hot Shot]].
*The rear axle (the "Axelzooka") on the original Hot Shot figure has sculpted shock absorbers in an interesting display of attention to detail. However, they are sculpted 90 degrees in the wrong direction, which would make them useless in reality.
*[[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] was originally conceived as an exclusive toy for [[BotCon 2007]] from the [[#CyCDF|Cybertron Defense Force version]] of Hot Shot. While the mold does bear a decent resemblance to the IDW incarnation of Sentinel, he was dropped in favor of [[Springer (G1)/toys#Timelines|Springer]], who fit the mold and the story/theme better.
*An unused concept for a potential [[Botcon]] 2017 figure would've seen a new Hot Shot from ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Chromedome (G1)#Titans Return|Chromedome]] in ''Armada'' colors with [[Alexis Thi Dang]] redecoed from [[Stylor]] with a new head. It would've also come with [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]] [[Targetmaster]] partner redecoed from [[Blaze Master#Generations|''Generations'' Blazemaster.]]<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/new-images-of-concepts-and-customized-figures-from-fun-pub-at-petes-robot-convention-2017/39073/]</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:Attacktix]]
[[Category:Armada Autobots]]
[[Category:Built to Rule!]]
[[Category:Cybertron Autobots]]
[[Category:Energon Autobots]]
[[Category:Energon combiners]]
[[Category:McDonald's exclusives]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]
[[Category:Velocitron]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]

Thew Adams

2022-09-24T16:18:53Z

Ezim93: Removing edit

{{disambig3|Matthew}}

[[Image:Thew.jpeg|right|300px|thumb|Science.<br><br><br>Science.]]
'''Thew Adams''' (b. [[October 19]], 1983) is a legend/beloved [[United Kingdom|British]] ''Transformers'' toy reviewer. A fixture of the UK Transformers [[fandom]] and regular sight at the country's primary convention TFNation, he made his official debut on the brand as the host of the virtual pre-show for [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]].

==Official convention appearances==
*[[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]], host

==Notes==
*He is a fan of [[Skywarp]].
*Like the [[Ben Yee|fandom titans]] [[Chris Ho|of yore]], Thew has been the subject of easter eggs in official media. Namely, a "list of signatures" in [[Cybertronian language|Cybertronian text]] for a petition to "Save the [[Singlehorn]]" in the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|''Cyberverse'']] episode "[[The Immobilizers]]" included "Threw" Adams alongside various not-Thew ''Transformers'' content creators in a message thanking them for supporting the show.

==External links==
*[https://www.youtube.com/user/barutazaru ''Thew's Awesome Transformers Reviews''], Thew's YouTube channel
*[https://twitter.com/toygrind Thew Adams' Twitter feed]

==See also==
*[[Maccadam]]

[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Real people]]

Thew Adams

2022-09-24T01:51:15Z

Ezim93:

{{disambig3|Matthew}}

[[Image:Thew.jpeg|right|300px|thumb|Science.<br><br><br>Science.]]
'''Thew Adams''' (b. [[October 19]], 1983) is a legend/beloved [[United Kingdom|British]] ''Transformers'' toy reviewer. A fixture of the UK Transformers [[fandom]] and regular sight at the country's primary convention TFNation, he made his official debut on the brand as the host of the virtual pre-show for [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]].

==Official convention appearances==
*[[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]], host

==Notes==
*He is a fan of [[Skywarp]].
*[[Cliffjumper (Energon)|Energon Cliffjumper]] didn't appeared in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tIsAFH672s Cliffjumper Catch-Up review]
*Like the [[Ben Yee|fandom titans]] [[Chris Ho|of yore]], Thew has been the subject of easter eggs in official media. Namely, a "list of signatures" in [[Cybertronian language|Cybertronian text]] for a petition to "Save the [[Singlehorn]]" in the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|''Cyberverse'']] episode "[[The Immobilizers]]" included "Threw" Adams alongside various not-Thew ''Transformers'' content creators in a message thanking them for supporting the show.

==External links==
*[https://www.youtube.com/user/barutazaru ''Thew's Awesome Transformers Reviews''], Thew's YouTube channel
*[https://twitter.com/toygrind Thew Adams' Twitter feed]

==See also==
*[[Maccadam]]

[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Real people]]

Thew Adams

2022-09-24T01:51:01Z

Ezim93: Adding a note based on joke from the aformnetioned episode, including the poor grammar.

{{disambig3|Matthew}}

[[Image:Thew.jpeg|right|300px|thumb|Science.<br><br><br>Science.]]
'''Thew Adams''' (b. [[October 19]], 1983) is a legend/beloved [[United Kingdom|British]] ''Transformers'' toy reviewer. A fixture of the UK Transformers [[fandom]] and regular sight at the country's primary convention TFNation, he made his official debut on the brand as the host of the virtual pre-show for [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]].

==Official convention appearances==
*[[Hasbro Pulse Con 2022]], host

==Notes==
*He is a fan of [[Skywarp]].
*[[Cliffjumper (Energon)|Energon Cliffjumper]] didn't appeared in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tIsAFH672s Cliffjumper Catch-Up review]]
*Like the [[Ben Yee|fandom titans]] [[Chris Ho|of yore]], Thew has been the subject of easter eggs in official media. Namely, a "list of signatures" in [[Cybertronian language|Cybertronian text]] for a petition to "Save the [[Singlehorn]]" in the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|''Cyberverse'']] episode "[[The Immobilizers]]" included "Threw" Adams alongside various not-Thew ''Transformers'' content creators in a message thanking them for supporting the show.

==External links==
*[https://www.youtube.com/user/barutazaru ''Thew's Awesome Transformers Reviews''], Thew's YouTube channel
*[https://twitter.com/toygrind Thew Adams' Twitter feed]

==See also==
*[[Maccadam]]

[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Real people]]

User:Ezim93/sandbox/monopoly2021

2022-06-30T00:49:42Z

Ezim93:

==Merchandise==
*'''Beast Wars Monopoly''' (2022)

[[File:BeastWarsMonopoly.jpg|right|250px|thumb|All these years of us warning against house rules and this edition just shirks our efforts with its own unique rules.]]
:Beast Wars Monopoly is a variation on the traditional Monopoly game. This iteration of the board game primarily uses artwork from the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|toy packaging]] as well as stills from the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|show]] .

===Gameplay===

Properties in the traditional Monopoly game are now locations from Beast Wars. There are no Utilities or taxes, now being replaced by a space allowing a player to Maximize or Terrorize. Rent can now be affected by which mode you are in, with Beast Mode being able to pay less. Community Chest cards are now [[Maximal]] cards, while Chance cards are [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] cards. The four corners - go, jail, free parking, and go to jail - remain unchanged for legal reasons. Instead of houses and hotels players can now place [[Stasis pod|Stasis Pods]] on their properties. A [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] is also included.

===Characters===
This version of the game had seven characters available, each with a token for both [[Beast mode]] and [[Robot mode]]:

*'''[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]
*'''[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]'''
*'''[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'''
*'''[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]'''
*'''[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'''
*'''[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]'''
*'''[[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]'''

===Game Squares===
====Locations====
Unlike traditional Monopoly each colored area of the board only features two properties and don't match up 1:1 with an ordinary Monopoly board.
=====Brown=====
*Rock Bridge
*Box Canyon
=====Light Blue=====
*[[Flying mountain|Floating Mountain]]
*[[Brigadoon|Flying Island]]
=====Magenta=====
*[[Grid Halex]]
*[[Grid Omega]]
=====Orange=====
*[[Northern Sector]]
*[[Tarantulas's lair|Secret Lair]]
=====Red=====
*[[Grid Orion]]
*[[Grid Trion]]
=====Yellow=====
*[[Standing Stones]]
*[[Bio-Dome]]
=====Green=====
*[[Grid Scavos]]
*[[Grid Vega]]
=====Blue=====
*Predacon Base
*Maximal Base

====Transportation====
*Reading Railroad - [[Nemesis (G1)|The Nemesis]]
*Pennsylvania Railroad - [[Ark (G1)|The Ark]]
*B&O Railroad - [[Darksyde (BW)|The Darksyde]]
*Short Line - [[Axalon (BW)|The Axalon]]

===Money===
Instead of traditional money, this version of the game uses Energon Cubes and [[Energon crystal|Energon Crystals]].

==External links==
*{{w|Monopoly (game)|Monopoly on Wikipedia}}

[[Category:Board games]]
[[Category:Generation 1 games]]

Monopoly

2022-06-30T00:46:41Z

Ezim93: Adding Beast Wars Monopoly

'''''Monopoly''''' is a commercial boardgame produced by [[Hasbro]] under its [[Parker Brothers]] board games imprint. It is a turn-based game simulating the real estate market, where two to six players vie for dominance. Since it was patented in [[1935]] by Charles Darrow, it has been played by approximately 750,000,000 players. In [[2007]], a ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' version of the game was created, updated with a special collector's edition in [[2009]]. [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] art features heavily in this set.

==Merchandise==
===''Transformers Monopoly'' (2007)===
[[File:Transformers monopoly board.jpg|right|250px|thumb|We don't care how you've played all your life, you're NOT SUPPOSED TO GET ANY MONEY FOR FREE PARKING!]]
*'''''Transformers Monopoly''''' ([[2007]])

:''Transformers Monopoly'' is a variation on the traditional ''Monopoly'' game. It is set in a "[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]" [[micro-continuity]].

====Gameplay====
Properties in the traditional ''Monopoly'' game are now locations in the ''Transformers'' multiverse. Utilities are computers, and railroads are now forms of transportation. Community Chest cards are now Autobot cards, while Chance cards are Decepticon cards. The four corners - go, jail, free parking, and go to jail - remain unchanged for legal reasons. Houses are now called [[energon cube]]s and hotels [[antimatter]]. The only difference in gameplay besides the name changes is that, upon rolling doubles, one can choose to use a 'special power' instead of moving again. What the power is depends on the allegiance of the character and which number was rolled.

====Characters====
The 2007 version of the game had six characters available:

*'''[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]
*'''[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'''
*'''[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]'''
*'''[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'''
*'''[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'''
*'''[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'''

The 2009 collector's edition eliminates Bumblebee, Jazz, Starscream and Soundwave and adds:

*'''[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'''
*'''[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]'''
*'''[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'''
*'''[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'''

====Game Squares====
=====Locations=====
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|valign=top|
*Mediterranean - [[Decagon]]
*Baltic - [[Autobase]]
*Oriental - [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]]
*Vermont - Moon Base
*Connecticut - [[Sonic Canyons]]
*St. Charles Place - [[Shockwave's Tower]]
*States Ave - Combat Arena
*Virginia Ave - [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]
*St. James Place - [[Sherman Dam]]
*Tennessee Ave - Decepticon Command Bunker
*New York Ave - [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]]

|valign=top|
*Kentucky Ave - [[Smelting pool]]s
*Indiana Ave - [[Well of All Sparks]]
*Illinois Ave - [[Chamber of the Ancients|Chamber of Ancients]]
*Atlantic Ave - [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]]
*Ventnor Ave - [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]]
*Marvin Gardens - [[Nebulos|Nebulon]]
*Pacific Ave - [[Unicron]]
*North Carolina Ave - [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*Pennsylvania Ave - [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]
*Park Place - [[Earth]]
*Boardwalk - [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]
|}

=====Transportation=====
*Reading Railroad - The [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]
*Pennsylvania Railroad - [[space bridge]]
*B&O Railroad - The [[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]
*Short Line - [[Transwarp Drive]]

=====Other Squares=====
*Electric Company - [[Teletraan I]]
*Water Works - [[Vector Sigma]]
*Income Tax - Cover Detected
*Luxury Tax - Replenish Energon

====Money====
Money features pictures of [[Transformer]]s, along with their [[Tech Spec]] mottos.
*$1 - Bumblebee
*$5 - Soundwave
*$10 - [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]
*$20 - Starscream
*$50 - [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]
*$100 - Megatron
*$500 - Optimus Prime
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===''Transformers Monopoly'' (2021)===
[[File:TFMonopoly2021.jpeg|right|250px|thumb|Also, YOU DO NOT GET $400 FOR LANDING ON GO.]]
*'''''Transformers Monopoly''''' ([[2021]])

:''Transformers Monopoly'' is a variation on the traditional ''Monopoly'' game. The latest iteration of the board game uses a wide range of artwork including "[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]" and [[evergreen]] designs .

====Gameplay====
Properties in the traditional ''Monopoly'' game are now locations in the ''Transformers'' multiverse. Utilities are [[Titan (group)|Titans]], and railroads are now [[space bridge]]s. Community Chest cards are now Autobot cards, while Chance cards are Decepticon cards. The four corners - go, jail, free parking, and go to jail - remain unchanged for legal reasons. Houses are now called [[energon cube]]s and hotels energon bunkers.

====Characters====
The 2021 version of the game had six characters available:

*'''[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]
*'''[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'''
*'''[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'''
*'''[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'''
*'''[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'''
*'''[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'''

====Game Squares====
=====Locations=====
Unlike traditional ''Monopoly'' each colored area of the board only features two properties and don't match up 1:1 with an ordinary ''Monopoly'' board.
{|width=50%
|valign=top|
'''Brown'''
*[[Moonbase One|Moon Base 1]]
*[[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]

'''Light Blue'''
*Rocket Base
*Antimatter Lab

'''Magenta'''
*Springfield City
*[[Sherman Dam]]

'''Orange'''
*[[Moonbase Two|Moon Base 2]]
*[[Praetorus Wharf|Preatorus Wharf]]

|valign=top|
'''Red'''
*[[Protihex]]
*[[Crystal City]]

'''Yellow'''
*Solar Power Station
*[[Andes Mountains|Ancient Ruins]]

'''Green'''
*[[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]
*[[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Earth)|Decepticon Base]]

'''Blue'''
*[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon City]]
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon City]]
|}

=====Transportation=====
*Reading Railroad - [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Cybertron)|Shockwave Space Bridge]]
*Pennsylvania Railroad - Autobot City Space Bridge
*B&O Railroad - Megatron Space Bridge
*Short Line - [[Emirate Xaaron Spacebridge Nexus|Iacon City Space Bridge]]

=====Other Squares=====
*Electric Company - [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]
*Water Works - [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]
*Income Tax - [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]
*Luxury Tax - [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]]

====Money====
Money features Autobot and Decepticon symbols with "Monopoly" written in [[Alphabet|Cybertronian]] beneath them. Bills are separated into 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, and 500 dollars.

===''Beast Wars Monopoly'' (2022)===
[[File:BeastWarsMonopoly.jpg|right|250px|thumb|All these years of us warning against house rules and this edition just shirks our efforts with its own unique rules.]]
*'''''Beast Wars Monopoly''''' ([[2021]])
:Beast Wars Monopoly is a variation on the traditional Monopoly game. This iteration of the board game primarily uses artwork from the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|toy packaging]] as well as stills from the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|show]] .

===Gameplay===

Properties in the traditional Monopoly game are now locations from Beast Wars. There are no Utilities or taxes, now being replaced by a space allowing a player to Maximize or Terrorize. Rent can now be affected by which mode you are in, with Beast Mode being able to pay less. Community Chest cards are now [[Maximal]] cards, while Chance cards are [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] cards. The four corners - go, jail, free parking, and go to jail - remain unchanged for legal reasons. Instead of houses and hotels players can now place [[Stasis pod|Stasis Pods]] on their properties. A [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] is also included.

===Characters===
This version of the game had seven characters available, each with a token for both [[Beast mode]] and [[Robot mode]]:

*'''[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]
*'''[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]'''
*'''[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'''
*'''[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]'''
*'''[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'''
*'''[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]'''
*'''[[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]'''

===Game Squares===
====Locations====
Unlike traditional Monopoly each colored area of the board only features two properties and don't match up 1:1 with an ordinary Monopoly board.
=====Brown=====
*Rock Bridge
*Box Canyon
=====Light Blue=====
*[[Flying mountain|Floating Mountain]]
*[[Brigadoon|Flying Island]]
=====Magenta=====
*[[Grid Halex]]
*[[Grid Omega]]
=====Orange=====
*[[Northern Sector]]
*[[Tarantulas's lair|Secret Lair]]
=====Red=====
*[[Grid Orion]]
*[[Grid Trion]]
=====Yellow=====
*[[Standing Stones]]
*[[Bio-Dome]]
=====Green=====
*[[Grid Scavos]]
*[[Grid Vega]]
=====Blue=====
*Predacon Base
*Maximal Base

====Transportation====
*Reading Railroad - [[Nemesis (G1)|The Nemesis]]
*Pennsylvania Railroad - [[Ark (G1)|The Ark]]
*B&O Railroad - [[Darksyde (BW)|The Darksyde]]
*Short Line - [[Axalon (BW)|The Axalon]]

===Money===
Instead of traditional money, this version of the game uses Energon Cubes and [[Energon crystal|Energon Crystals]].
{{--}}

==External links==
*{{w|Monopoly (game)|''Monopoly'' on Wikipedia}}

[[Category:Board games]]
[[Category:Generation 1 games]]

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Megatron (G1)

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:''Megatron is a [[Decepticon]] [[Decepticon leader|leader]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Megatronguido.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe|Gun God]]. [[Transformers: Alternity|Time Eater]]. [[My Little Pony/Transformers: Friendship in Disguise!|Pony Botherer]].]]
'''Megatron''' is the founder of the Decepticon uprising, and their most well-known and feared [[Decepticon leader|leader]]. As a young, charismatic leader forged in battle and the heritage of war, he began to believe in a grand purpose for his race—it is the [[Transformer]]s' glorious destiny to rule an [[Decepticon Empire|empire]] which will span the universe. The opposite of his mortal enemy [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], he feels great contempt for other Transformers who, he feels, betray their proud heritage by demanding peace and cooperation with weaker life forms. It is the destiny of the Decepticons to bring order to the universe through conquest, though in the millions of years since coining this purpose it remains to be seen how much of his mission statement is altruistic... and how much of it is mere words built to fuel warriors to further his desire for personal power.

Megatron will attempt almost anything to achieve his goals, but his schemes are rarely in any way subtle. This is perhaps due to his arrogance, but his pride is not so strong as to dissuade him from abandoning a battle he is losing. He often shows dramatic examples of cowardice, concealed in rage. Although Megatron rarely wins in his duels with Optimus, few can rival his ability to locate energy sources for the Decepticons. Some would question his sanity, though these few are mostly now dead by his hands... or his [[fusion cannon]], depending on his mood. Sometimes he uses his [[energon mace]] to strike them down. It does not matter how they die. Death by the hands of Megatron is an honor.

Megatron is often [[Reformatting|reborn]] as [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]].

{{quote|You destroy everything you touch, Megatron!}}
{{quote|That's because everything I touch is food for my hunger. My hunger for ''power''!|Optimus Prime and Megatron|"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{main|Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity}}
[[File:Megatrong1marvelhumiliation.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|And so it begins...]]
Megatron was a [[gladiatorial combat|gladiator]] from [[Tarn (polity)|Tarn]], who sought to turn Cybertron into a cosmic dreadnaught. To win his war for conquest, Megatron's Decepticons developed the art of [[transformation]]. When the wandering planet Cybertron was headed for an asteroid field, Megatron and a band of his warriors followed the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot ship]] sent to clear a path through the dangerous area, and attacked the weakened Autobot crew once they had achieved their goal. However, the Autobot leader [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] sent the ship crashing into a nearby planet, knocking them all offline.

After reawakening on [[Earth]] in [[1984]], Megatron was quickly ousted from command by [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]]. Their power struggle continued for some time, with leadership changing hands multiple times, until Optimus Prime killed himself in a video game duel. Refusing to believe his nemesis was truly dead, the increasingly-erratic Megatron seemingly committed accidental suicide by blowing himself up on a [[space bridge]] in a fit of insane rage. However, the explosion had merely deposited him in the [[Dead End (place)|Dead End]] region of Cybertron, where he wandered as an [[empty]], with no recollection of who he was.

After regaining his memories, Megatron captured [[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]] and forced him to restore the recently destroyed [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] to functionality, this time as a [[Pretender]], in a scheme to wrest control of the Decepticons back. But the ploy failed due to Ratchet's sabotage, and Megatron's attempt to escape the soon-to-explode lab via [[trans-time dimensional portal]] was foiled when Ratchet tackled him. The two were thought destroyed, but they were actually grotesquely fused together in the explosion and left adrift in "[[unspace]]". Pulled from the void by [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]], [[Fixit (G1)|Fixit]] was able to separate their bodies, and kept them both in stasis aboard the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. They re-awoke when [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]], a future version of Megatron, attempted to hijack the ship, which had ''already'' been hijacked by Shockwave and Starscream. Megatron and Galvatron fought bitterly at first, but upon realizing who they both were, plotted to join forces... but then Ratchet crashed the ship into Earth once again, seemingly destroying everyone on board.

In [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|one universe]], he was rebuilt by the human terrorist organization [[Cobra]], and he ultimately allied with Optimus against [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]], his [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]], and the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]]. In [[Transformers: Classics|another]], fifteen years of peace passed before Megatron rose again. In [[The Transformers: Regeneration One|a third]], he woke up in [[1994]], and proceeded to lay waste to the Earth, awaiting the day Optimus Prime would return.
{{--}}

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
{{main|Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity}}
[[File:Mtmte1 megatron throne.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|FOOL! Pass me the TP!]]
Megatron was responsible for bringing Cybertron out of its [[Golden Age]] when he restarted the Autobot/Decepticon civil war nine million years ago. Among his first actions was the fatal wounding of a young dock worker named Orion Pax, who was rebuilt to become Megatron's mortal enemy, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]].

Megatron's forces boarded the Autobots' spacecraft when it was on a mission to search for new sources of energy on other planets, and was knocked offline like all the other Transformers when the craft crashed on prehistoric Earth. When both factions reawakened in 1984, Megatron made it his mission to pillage all of Earth's natural resources and enslave its populace, with the goal of revitalizing Cybertron and dominating the entire universe. His plans were by turns cunning, wicked, outrageous, and often, utterly, utterly ludicrous.

In [[2005]], Megatron faced off with Optimus Prime in a battle at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], during which he fatally wounded the Autobot leader, but not without taking severe damage himself. Cast adrift into space, Megatron was found by the planet-eater, [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]], and recreated as [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]].

In other timelines which branch out of this one, Megatron became a [[Transmetal]], initiated the [[Battle Dog|murder of a puppy]], and years after his transformation into Galvatron, became Megatron once again, in various powered-up forms.
{{--}}

===Sticker Adventures books===
In the aftermath of yet another battle had lost against the Autobots, Megatron concocted a sneakier plan to get rid of the Autobots. He had his troops lay low for several days, then instructed Ravage to sneak into the Autobots’ base and steal all of their fuel. Megatron then led his troops into combat once more, before the Autobots would have a chance to procure more fuel. But Optimus, having anticipated a trick on the Decepticons’ part, arrived at the battlefield with a new supply of fuel for his troops. After sustaining too much damage, the Decepticons were forced to retreat once again. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons}}

===Marvel Storybooks continuity===
After awakening on Earth, Megatron put into motion a plot that would gain him the unconditional surrender of the planet. Megatron first established the [[Global Corporation]] in order to employ the Constructicons to create and build sophisticated buildings all around the world. Each building had been outfitted with a secret mechanism which would trap all of those inside at the push of a button. Once all the buildings had been completed, Megatron would demand Earth's unconditional surrender in exchange for the safe release of the humans captured. Megatron's plan was interrupted by Optimus Prime and his Autobots invading the Decepticon base. Though Megatron attempted to assume the guise of an honest businessbot, Optimus was not fooled, and the two factions began to fight. Optimus had arrived too late, however, and with the plan already in its final stages, Megatron activated the trap mechanisms within his buildings. Megatron then jettisoned the Autobots from his headquarters, and highjacked a television broadcast, making his demands known to the human race.

Megatron and Optimus clashed once more afterwards. This time, Megatron had The Devastator help out on the battlefield, and the Decepticons' victory seemed assured with the help of the colossus. That was until the Dinobots' arrival, who effortlessly slaughtered the Constructicons. The Autobots then proceeded to disable the mechanisms holding the humans captive. Despite Megatron ranting that the war was far from over, the Autobots drove away from the battlefield victoriously. {{storylink|Battle for Earth}}

Megatron sent out [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] to capture any Autobot the colossus could find. Devastator returned with [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and locked him up in a cell within Decepticon headquarters. Megatron then approached the captive Autobot, and informed him that he would be used as a hostage to force the Autobots into surrendering. As Megatron walked away, Sunstreaker took a potshot at his back, enraging the Decepticon leader. Megatron and two Constructicons returned fire with cruel ferocity. With Sunstreaker left cowering in the corner of his cell, Megatron called to Soundwave to open communications with Autobot headquarters. He had his communications officer inform the Autobots of the situation, and demanded their surrender by the next morning. If they did not accept his terms, Megatron threatened to destroy Sunstreaker and rebuild him as a Decepticon!

Megatron knew the Autobots would not forfeit the Earth so easily, and so had Devastator stand guard over the Decepticon Base's entrance. Surely enough, a rescue party attempted to storm the base, but were quickly subdued by Devastator as well. Now with four prisoners in his custody, Megatron returned to the prison to address the Constructicons. He told [[Hook (G1)|Hook]] that soon his surgical skills would be needed to convert the Autobots into loyal Decepticons. This led to a squabble between Hook and [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]], who both wanted the privilege of destroying the Autobots before their reconstruction. Megatron assured them that they would both get their own Autobot to destroy.

[[File:Autobots secret weapon prime megs.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Megatron sent a second message to the Autobots, revealing that their rescue squad had also been captured. He then explained that with the four Autobots rebuilt into Decepticons, he would have enough power to defeat the Autobots whether they surrendered or not. His deadline nonetheless still stood, and he awaited morning for the Autobots' surrender.

The following morning, Megatron emerged from the Decepticon headquarters to find a life-size statue of Devastator accompanied by a letter. The message was from Optimus Prime, and it explained that the statue was a peace offering, as the Autobots had agreed to surrender to the Decepticons. Gleeful at this turn of events, Megatron ordered the Autobot prisoners to be brought before the statue. The statue turned out to be an Autobot ruse, however, and from within it burst forth Autobot reinforcements. Megatron lead the Decepticons in a counter-offensive. He first deployed the Decepticon jets to counter the Autobots' own aerial warriors. The battle took a turn for the worse for the Decepticons when [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s earthquake-inducing abilities backfired, and many Decepticons were swallowed up by the earth. Deciding to end the battle once and for all, Megatron fired his fusion cannon at Optimus Prime. But Optimus used a reflective piece of metal to deflect Megatron's beam back at him! Hit by his own attack, Megatron crumpled to the ground, defeated. {{storylink|The Autobots' Secret Weapon}}

===Marvel coloring books===
[[File:BumblebeeToTheRescue Megatron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"Who's for volleyball?"]]
To rule [[Earth]], Megatron came up with the idea to raid sunken treasure. Once they obtained the treasure, Megatron decided to use a truck to take it into town and buy some factories. Unfortunately for him, the truck was [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], who released a bunch of [[Autobot]]s and defeated Megatron and his men. {{storylink|Search for Treasure Under the Sea}} Megatron's next plan was to lock up the Autobots in a [[special Autobot prison]]. They managed to get most of their enemies captured, but while Megatron was distracted by a [[Giant fake Autobot|cardboard cutout]], [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] freed the Autobots and Optimus soon had Megatron wrapped in an iron bar. {{storylink|Bumblebee to the Rescue!}}

Megatron sent out the Decepticons to find factories to build more troops. They ended up falling into a trap laid by the forewarned Autobots, but Megatron refused to surrender and Optimus Prime threw him into orbit. Floating in space, Megatron promised that next time the Decepticons would win! {{storylink|Decepticon Patrol}}
The Decepticons kidnapped [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] and [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]], but had to retreat during the following battle because they were low on power. {{storylink|The Deadly Fuel Shortage}}

Deciding that the Decepticons should rule Earth, Megatron set about using the [[molecular transfer device]] to steal the planet's fuel supplies. The Autobots soon found out about it, and when they assaulted the Decepticon stronghold, Megatron was bamboozled by one of Mirage's holograms. {{storylink|Summertime Coloring Book}} After [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] reported on a communication device possessed by the Autobots, Megatron used a fake message to lure Bumblebee away from the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] so he could take it over. It worked, but when Optimus pulled the same trick a short time later, Megatron fell for it. {{storylink|A Message From Outer Space}} Megatron decided to build a factory in a forested area. The Autobots also happened to be vacationing there, and after Megatron was knocked down by a boulder, and fooled by one of [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]'s holograms, he was forced to flee. {{storylink|Forest Rescue Mission}}

After the Decepticons developed a jet engine silencer, Megatron led them on an attack on the Autobot base. Thanks to Bumblebee's warnings, the Autobots tricked the Decepticons into using up their firepower on a hologram of the Autobot base. {{storylink|Bumblebee's Dangerous Mission}}

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===Kid Stuff Talking Story Books continuity===
{{voiceactor|[[Earl Hammond]] (English)}}
Tricking thousands of humans into digging a large cavern underneath the [[Kalahari Desert]] in [[Africa]], Megatron detonated them with the largest explosion the world had ever seen, transforming the coal and humans into the world's largest diamond. Transporting it to a satellite launch base in [[Brazil]], Megatron gloated the [[crystal satellite|satellite]] would use the diamond as a lens to melt the [[Rocky Mountains]]. Megatron looked on as Skyfire attempted to destroy the satellite out in orbit. When the Autobot failed and fell back to Earth, burning up on reentry, Megatron had a good laugh at his expense. His tone changed when Prime countered the satellite's attack on the Rockies by constructing a square mile of polished metal, which the Autobots placed below the satellite, deflecting its beam and destroying it. Megatron and Soundwave escaped underground in a [[turbine mole machine]]. {{storylink|Satellite of Doom}}

The duo stole an enormous hovering fuel transport, but [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]] destroyed it, forcing Megatron to come up with a new scheme: to drill the [[Prudhoe Bay oil reservoir]]. Their drill was so powerful, it caused volcanic eruptions and [[Siberia]] to approach the US, accelerating tensions between the US and USSR. Optimus had [[razon gas]] pumped into the reservoir, returning the [[oil]] below the sea floor and rising the Decepticon device. Boarding it, the Autobots once again found Megatron had fled. {{storylink|When Continents Collide}} He now intended to raise the oil from Brazil, unwittingly destroying the city of [[Machu Picchu]] and much of the [[Andes Mountains|Andes]], as well as wreaking havoc with the weather. The Autobots stopped them again, and once more Megatron and Soundwave fled. {{storylink|Storms of Destruction}}

With all these failures, Megatron grew jealous of Shockwave's success in getting oil to the Decepticon soldiers. Tracking [[Slag (G1)|Slag]], Megatron found the Autobot oil supplies in [[Antarctica]]. Using the [[Crusher (G1)|Crusher]] Megatron sliced icebergs off the Antarctic, causing sea levels to rise. Unwittingly, his actions revived hundreds of dormant Dinobots trapped in the tar beneath the ice, forcing him to flee once more. {{storylink|Jaws of Terror}} Enslaving oil workers in the Pacific, Megatron tried to drill the oil of [[Buru]], but [[Oil driller and transporter|his transport]] overloaded and he took flight. {{storylink|Slaves of the Insecticons}} From his submersible near [[Madagascar]], Megatron sank six [[oil tanker]]s. Attacking another, Megatron's submersible was completely wrecked when it emerged the oil he drained was tainted by the Autobots with corrosive acid. He escaped during the subsequent Autobot attack. {{storylink|Attack of the Decepticons}}

Megatron's relationship with Soundwave was very abusive; he dubbed him a "blundering tape-filled idiot". {{storylink|When Continents Collide}}

===Big Looker storybooks continuity===
[[File:KidsCliff1.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|MTV pimps Megatron's ride.]]
As Decepticon leader, Megatron was part of the forces that attacked the Autobot Ark while it was trying to eliminate asteroids that threated to smash [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to pieces. The Ark crashed on [[Earth]], and four million years later, the Decepticons were first to be woken by the ship's computer. Leaving the ship, they attempted to destroy it, but their energy levels were too low, and Megatron announced they'd have to find new sources of energy. After raiding the nuclear plant at nearby [[Kimball]], they returned to the Ark, only to find it empty. He ordered his men to split up and go in two different directions, and hence they were able to outflank the Autobots. The battle was short-lived, as the Autobots proved too much for them, and the Decepticons retreated. {{storylink|Battle for Cybertron}}

A bunch of humans set up a race for charity, and the victor would receive a year's supply of oil and gasoline. Well, the Decepticons desperately wanted that bounty, so rather than just steal it, they decided to sneak into the race. [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] was one of the Autobots driving in the rally and was unaware that the [[big black car|scary black Cadillac]] was actually being driven by Megatron! Megatron dogged Cliffjumper for quite a while but ended up losing to the Minibot. Cliffjumper won the race and everybody smiled, even Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Great Car Rally}}

After a particularly damaging battle, Megatron sent the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s to distract the Autobots while he took a small squad to capture a broken-down oil truck nearby, claiming it would allow them to defeat the Autobots once and for all. While he and his men were implementing the plan, somehow [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] sneaked up and got the truck working again. Megatron furiously pursued the truck and managed to seize it from behind. Suddenly [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] appeared overhead and Megatron proved unable to shoot him down. The [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] dropped a bomb on the group of Decepticons, reducing them to a pile of metal scrap. An automated signal summoned a [[Decepticon rescue squadron|rescue squadron]], who arrived a short time later to retrieve the remains of Megatron and his men. {{storylink|Decepticon Hijack}}

Megatron set his sights on raiding a power plant, and promised his men that whoever came up with a fool-proof plan would be made Decepticon [[second-in-command]]. He was pleased when [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] informed him that [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] had been captured, and even more so when [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] arrived back at base with the [[cerebro-shell]]ed Autobot. Megatron instructed Grapple to come up with a plan to steal the energy in the power plant. When the rest of the Autobots turned up to rescue their friend, Megatron took the opportunity to gloat before battle commenced. He ordered Grapple to help them fight, however Grapple, who had been de-cerebro-shelled, called him a "big coffee pot" and threw him on [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. {{Storylink|Insecticon Attack!}}

===Ladybird Books continuity===
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When [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] discovered that the Autobots were working on a device resembling a radio tower, Megatron sent [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to investigate. The revelation that the Autobots had concealed much of the tower underground made Megatron think they were up to something underhanded, but before he could learn more, he realized [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] had gone to destroy the device. Megatron and the other Decepticons caught up with and stopped Starscream, and then puzzled over the machine. The machine, in reality intended to collect lightning, released a surge of power that caused the Decepticons to malfunction, forcing them to retreat. {{storylink|Autobots' Lightning Strike}}

Impatient at the lack of the energy they needed to power their space cruiser, Megatron had [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] sent out. They soon hit pay dirt when Buzzsaw located an experimental solar power station. After surveying the station with Soundwave, Megatron ordered the rest of the Decepticons to come in force, however instead Starscream attempted to lead the other Decepticons in an impromptu mutiny. Though Megatron swiftly brought the Decepticons back under his heel, their energy collection was ultimately foiled by the Autobots. {{storylink|Megatron's Fight for Power}} As the Decepticons' space cruiser neared completion, Megatron was determined that they find a way to test the ion-drive, despite Starscream's protests that it didn't need testing. Luckily Ravage located an abandoned mine, so the Decepticons made use of it for testing purposes. The Autobots again got wind of their activities, and used mine cars to blow up the ion-drive, collapsing the tunnel on the Decepticons. {{storylink|Autobots Fight Back}}

Furious over the constant defeats, Megatron ordered Soundwave to send Laserbeak to find out more about the [[human]]s who inhabited the planet [[Earth]]. The scouting mission led the Decepticons to a unique piece of Earth technology — a windmill. During the ensuing fight with the Autobots, they discovered the windmill was immune to the null ray, and believing it to be an advanced new weapon, Megatron ordered it be captured. Instead Rumble managed to destroy it and it collapsed on top of the four Decepticons. {{storylink|Laserbeak's Fury}} At some point [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] traveled back in time from the 21st century and took over leadership of the Decepticons from Megatron. {{storylink|Galvatron's Air Attack}}

===Listen 'n Fun audiobooks continuity===
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[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] passed on news of Doctor [[Heath Blaisedale]]'s solar reactor. Megatron immediately made plans to use the device to drain the [[Sun]]'s energy, despite [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s assertion that doing so would result in doom for Earth. He was furious when Starscream led an impromptu attack on the Autobots at the solar plant and ordered the three jets to retreat before they damaged the reactor. He had [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] kidnap Blaisedale in an attempt to draw the Autobots away from the plant, before leading an attack himself. Unfortunately his particle cannon was destroyed by [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] turned up as well, resulting in the destruction of the solar reactor. Megatron retreated empty-handed. {{storylink|Sun Raid (Listen 'n Fun)}}

===Listen 'n Play audiobooks continuity===
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Megatron devised a scheme to abduct humans by disguising the Decepticon jets as commercial airliners. Unfortunately the Autobots stumbled on the plan, freed the humans and defeated the Decepticon squad which was doing the kidnapping. {{storylink|Sun Raid (Listen 'n Play)}}

===''The Battle for Planet Earth''===
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Thanks to [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]]'s spying, Megatron and his men followed the Autobots to [[South America]], where they found [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] taking interest in [[Mount Sheelah]]. Being unfamiliar with volcanoes, Megatron decided to investigate, but his men were unable to capture the [[John Gordon|two]] [[Tim Gordon|humans]] helping the Autobots. After the Autobots had retreated, the Decepticons got their change to look more closely at the volcano, only for it to erupt, trapping them with lava. {{storylink|Terror of Mount Sheelah}} Megatron had his men kidnap humans from towns to use as slave labor, but after [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] stole the Decepticons' [[global crystal]], the Decepticons were forced to set the humans free. {{storylink|Bumblebee to the Rescue (G1)|Bumblebee to the Rescue}}

After [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] spotted a hydro-dam at [[Stanley Lake]], Megatron decided to see if it was suitable for their energy needs, and staged an invasion. A short time later, he and his men spotted the Autobots in the valley in front of the dam and attacked them. Though they appeared triumphant after the Autobots retreated, the valley was flooded with water from the dam a short time later, washing them all away. {{storylink|Menace at the Dam}} Furious at the mounting defeats, Megatron sent Starscream to infiltrate the Autobot ranks. When air commander reported that the Autobots' [[Deuterium Orbital Laser Tracing System|super weapon]] was being stored in [[Mount Levram]], Megatron led the Decepticons there to flatten the mountain. Unfortunately it turned out that Starscream hadn't fooled the Autobots at all, and when the Decepticons returned to their base, it had been leveled in their absence. {{storylink|Espionage!!!!!}}

====Renegade Rhetoric====
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===Deadly Paradise===
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Megatron discovered Madame [[Cee]], a human tinkerer on [[Carob Island]] with estensive knowledge of mechanics. With her (involuntary) help, and a rare mineral present on the island, he began building duplicate Autobots, starting with Sideswipe. Megatron also built a [[megamaze]] around his underground base on the island to deter intruders. Megatron first sent out the duplicate Sideswipe to destroy the [[Nova Suspension Bridge]] in order to frame the Autobots, then proceeded to build more clones, including a duplicate Prowl. He had nearly finished building a duplicate Optimus Prime when a group of Autobots found their way into his base. They were easily captured, but Megatron could not help but stroke his own ego, and showed Prowl, leader of the squad, the full extent of his plan. Prowl managed to overpower his escorts on his way back to his cage, and tricked Megatron into destroying the duplicate Prowl instead of the real one. Megatron was then hit by some of Prowl's acid pellets, forcing him to retreat through a secret passage, though not before taunting Prowl once more, claiming that the Autobots would never escape his megamaze. The Autobots managed it and escaped the island. {{storylink|Deadly Paradise}}

===The Special Teams===
Upon first awakening on Earth, Megatron immediately schemed to steal fuel from the Earth in order to build the “ultimate weapon” and in time, conquer the universe. Some time later, as the battle with the Autobots had raged for some time on Earth, Megatron was too distracted to put a halt to Starscream's underhanded schemes. His attention had been completely focused on an attempt to convert the Aerialbots to the Decepticons’ side. While pondering over how differently things might have gone if only the Aerialbots had remained allied with the Decepticons, Megatron was brought out of his reverie by Teletraan 1, alerting him that a nearby power plant had been evacuated of its human workers due to the possibilities of a landslide happening. Megatron summoned Dirge, Thrust, Ramjet, Blitzwing, Rumble, and Starscream to accompany him on a raid on the unattended power plant. He was infuriated to find that Starscream was once more absent from his post, only to be reminded by Dirge that Starscream had been absent ever since he had been sent to fetch the Stunticons from Cybertron. Wary of Autobot spies eavesdropping on their conversation and wanting to keep the Stunticons’ existence a secret a while longer, Megatron dropped the subject. Coincidently, Starscream made communication with him at that moment, and Megatron ordered him to meet the rest of the Decepticons at a well-hidden spot near the power plant.

There, Megatron dispatched the Stunticons to attack the [[Pullen Power Plant]], despite Starscream's tardiness. The Decepticons ultimately failed in their raid, though Megatron's lack of interference in the combat gave Optimus some pause, as he wondered if the victory was truly a reflection of the Autobots’ overall position in their war against the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Special Teams}}

===''S.T.A.R.S.'' continuity===
Before the construction of Autobot City on Earth, Optimus led a convoy of Autobots to find the ideal location for their new base's construction. Megatron lay in wait, inconspicuously disguised as a giant gun on a hillside, ready to strike as the Autobots approached. The battle that ensued, in which Megatron transformed and used his stock assembly as a [[particle beam cannon]], later came to be known as "[[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (G1)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]]". {{storylink|Rodimus Prime remembers the Transformers greatest battle on Earth.}}

Evidently, the battle went in Megatron's favour, as Optimus was forced to send some of his troops away to fetch reinforcements. {{storylink|Transformers Combat Data}} {{storylink|The Autobots Are Under Attack!}}

===Highway Clash===
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Megatron learned about the existence of a cargo of microchips that could bestow sentience onto robots. Seeking to acquire said microchips, Megatron set out into the Yorkshire Dales to intercept the convoy transporting them. From a secret underground lair, he and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] planned out their assault, only to be opposed by Optimus Prime and Prowl who were secretly guarding the shipment. Whether or not Megatron succeeded in acquiring the chips depended on the decisions that [[you]] made! {{storylink|Highway Clash}}

===Find Your Fate Junior===
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====Dinobots Strike Back====
Megatron had been overseeing Operation Black Coral from the Decepticons' secret base in [[Mount Lomas]] for over a week before two of the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s went on their mission to [[Hidden Valley]]. When [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] reported that [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] had successfully planted [[cerebro-shell]]s on four of the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], he was thrilled!

{{note|Since Kickback leaving to report back to Megatron occurs before the first choice is made, and Megatron's reaction is documented on the back cover, we can assume that this holds true for every path in this book.}}

In one possible path on the following day, he rallied his troops with a speech about how the imminent completion of the machinery necessary to convert [[Dolphin's Bay|Dolphin Bay]]'s [[black coral]] into superfuel would ensure the final defeat of the Autobots in a matter of hours. This conveniently told the spying [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] all he needed to know about Operation Black Coral so he could relay it to [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] via radio, which conveniently told [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] that he was right outside the doorway so Frenzy could paralyze him and leave him in the underwater tunnel.

If Skids just returns to the Ark after this, it leads to two possible outcomes in which Megatron appears long enough to witness a Decepticon defeat. In one, he ordered his warrior jets into action only to see them fall to [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide's]] thermal beam while [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] torched the base's lab. In another, [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] showed up at Mount Lomas claiming that he and the other three Dinobots under Bombshell's control had just decimated the Autobot ranks, convincing Megatron to welcome them into their base by holding the Operation Black Coral victory party and bonfire a day early. He began to question his judgement when Grimlock suddenly ordered his team to attack, but didn't react in time to save Soundwave or Frenzy. As [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] nailed [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] with a missile, Megatron fired his nuclear fusion cannon at the Pteranodon, only to have his blast redirected at the last second by [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl's]] tail-strike. This caused him to blast straight down into the mountainside, creating a hole which allowed the arriving Autobots easy access to Megatron's swiftly-demolished base.

{{note|If Skids tries to rescue Bumblebee, their base is just as doomed, but Megatron does not reappear.}}

In another alternate path, Megatron greeted the approaching Autobot assault force with "a strange challenge to Optimus Prime": a one-on-one fight to the end! After squaring off for a few minutes, Megatron fired, but Optimus dodged the blast by splitting into his three components, gaining the upper hand. Thanks to [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble's]] interference, we'll never know if Megatron could've turned things around. {{storylink|Dinobots Strike Back}}

====Battle Drive====
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In order to take out the Autobots, Megatron concocted a diabolical new plot. He sent out Blitzwing and Starscream to destroy acres of farmland, and pretend that the Decepticon's latest ploy was to destroy the humans' food supply, forcing the fleshlings to either become Decepticon slaves or starve to death. In reality, this was only a ruse covering Megatron's true scheme. When the Autobots would come rolling out in the open farmland, they would be without cover for the Decepticon armada awaiting them, and would then be wiped out by Megatron's forces.

In one possible turn of events, the a small group of Autobots hatched a counter-plot where they hoped to trick Megatron into thinking the whole Autobot army was attacking when in reality only a squadron was battling the Decepticons. Thanks to his spy in the field, Soundwave, Megatron caught wind of this plan and was able to wipe out the Autobot squad easily.

In another version of the following events, Megatron learns that Sparkplug Witwicky has discovered a fatal flaw in the Decepticons' circuitry, and is forced to divert the bulk of his forces into a manhunt for the Autobots' ally.
the Decepticons find Sparkplug holed up in a cave in the mountains. When Swoop, Prowl, Hound and Bumblebee arrive on scene, events could play out in a number of ways.

If Swoop decided to take Megatron head-on in aerial combat, the Dinobot landed a lucky shot inside of Megatron's fusion cannon as it was charging up, causing the weapon to backfire and Megatron to be destroyed.

If Swoop decided to retreat back to Autobot headquarters after an initial assault, Megatron would allow a number of his troops to chase Swoop down while the rest of the Decepticon forces remained at the cave's entrance. Megatron would remain at the cave himself, sending volleys of lasers towards the Autobots and humans trapped inside. In one possible version of the events that followed, Megatron is forced to retreat when Swoop returns with reinforcements, and believing that the Autobots still possess the schematics for the Decepticons' circuits, is forced to redesign the Decepticons' internal workings.

In another version of the following events, Bumblebee distracts Megatron by sending a boulder tumbling at him, allowing Prowl to make a mad dash back to Autobot headquarters.

If Megatron's ploy to lure the Autobots out in the open farmland was successful, he led the entirety of his fores with the intent of destroying Optimus Prime and his team of Autobots. Whether or not Megatron succeeded in destroying his foe depended on which decisions Optimus made from this point forward. In many scenarios, Megatron manages to pin the Autobots on a nearby bridge, only for them to escape by various means. {{storylink|Battle Drive}}

====Attack of the Insecticons====
Megatron was leading a party of Decepticons on a raid to steal energy sources from the humans when Starscream learned of a new device that would solve all of the Decepticons' energy problems, the Sun-Pak.
In a possible outcome of a the events that would follow, Megatron was contacted some time later by the human Buster, who explained that he wanted to offer a trade to the Decepticon leader. Megatron was offered an audio file containing conclusive proof that Starscream planned to overthrow him, in exchange for the safe release of Sparkplug, who Starscream had in his possession. Megatron could only humour the human germ to a certain degree, and said that he would only agree to such a trade if Buster were to fulfill his end of the bargain first.

If Buster agreed, and did indeed send a genuine recording of Starscream gloating about his plans to seize leadership of the Decepticons, Megatron would shortly come in person to command Starscream to release the meaningless human and then deliver an ultimatum; either Starscream face the full force of the Decepticon army for his treachery, or be subjected to reprogramming at Decepticon headquarters. After Starscream accepted the later option, Megatron shooed off the humans and the few Autobot present to put his own house in order.

If Buster refused to relinquish the sound file before Megatron issued the order to have Sparkplug released, Megatron would nonetheless arrived on scene, demanding to be informed of the situation at hand. After being informed of the existence of the Sun-Pak, and that by using a Cerebro-Shell to force Sparkplug to construct a new one the Decepticons would no longer need worry about energy supplies, Megatron allows Starscream to follow through with his plan despite Buster's protests. For all his troubles, Megatron acquires nothing but a laser-toothbrush from this venture, as the mind-control process leaves Sparkplug's memory damaged, and the hygienic device is the only invention the human could produce for the Decepticons.

In another possible adventure, Megatron is encountered in an underground cavern by Beachcomber, who is attempting to make his way to the surface in order to recharge the Sun-Pak and rescue his fellow Autobots from the Insecticons. The encounter is a short one, as Megatron quickly disposes of Mirage before making his way further below ground to destroy the rest of the Autobots.

In yet another possible adventure, Megatron having acquired the Sun-Pak is in the process of himself recharging it near Decepticon headquarters when the Autobots intrude and attempt diplomacy in order to have the device returned to them. Megatron declines, and a firefight between the two factions begin.

If Optimus Prime attempts to end the fighting by proposing he and Megatron duel for the Sun-Pak's ownership, Megatron agrees and the two of them begin a long and strenuous battle. If Optimus gains the upper hand, the Autobot leader is content with leaving Megatron vanquished, and returning to base with the Sun-Pak in his possession. However, if Megatron begins to gain ground in their duel, Optimus forfeits the duel, and begins to walk away as Megatron mocks the cowardly Autobot. When Optimus approaches the Sun-Pak, he "accidentally" trips, and blasts the device into smithereens, leaving Megatron in a furor.

Alternatively, if Optimus attempts to end the fighting by simply making a grab for the Sun-Pak, Megatron intervenes and steps forth to defend the device from falling into enemy hands. But Optimus and his Autobot lackey, Smokescreen, dupe Megatron into tossing to Buzzsaw, only for Optimus to catch the device in mid-pass, leaving an enraged Megatron impotent to stop the Autobots from retreating with the device in their possession.

In yet another possible adventure, it is Shrapnel who comes to possess the Sun-Pak, and plans to usurp Megatron's leadership with the device. But Megatron's loyal spy Ravage overhears these happenings, and informs his leader of the situation. If the Insecticons still have the Sun-Pak in their possession when Megatron arrives to confront them, he berates Shrapnel for his clandestine activities, and blasts the Insecticon for his planned coup. The Autobots arrive shortly thereafter, and Megatron decides to use the rotting trees of the forest they are in as cover for an ambush on his newly arrived foes. Unknown to him, Mirage and Buster were hiding nearby, and warn the Autobots of Megatron's ambush. Megatron along with his troops are defeated by [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]'s acid spray, and the Decepticons retreat, the Sun-Pak having been destroyed in the process. {{storylink|Attack of the Insecticons}}

====Earthquake====
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Megatron's latest ploy was to destroy Center City with the help of Rumble's earthquake-inducing abilities and a Destruction Beam device.

In one possible series of events, after Windcharger and Beachcomber had infiltrated Megatron's secret spy station within the Decepticon's newest secret fortress, Megatron was tricked into making all of his troops stand down and surrender by Beachcomber.

In another possible scenario, Windcharger and Beachcomber attempted to muscle their way into Megatron's secret spy chamber, only to fail miserably. Alerting Megatron of their presence this way, Megatron then confronted the pair in his weapon mode. Megatron promptly slaughtered the two Autobots with a blast of his nuclear-charged fusion cannon. Then, after having captured Powerglide and reprogramming him to lead the Decepticons to the Autobot headquarters, Megatron led his army and felled the Autobots one by one, until only Optimus remained. Megatron gloated that he would not kill Optimus, only alter him to make him a destroyer of mankind. Optimus activated the Ark's self-destruct sequence, taking all of the Decepticons with him in a fiery death.

In yet another possible scenario, Beachcomber and Powerglide happened upon Megatron as he explained the details of his plan to Soundwave.

In one possible series of events, Beachcomber, Powerglide and Windcharger managed to uncover the Decepticons’ plot without being captured, and shortly thereafter Optimus led a team of Autobots to storm the Decepticon base. Megatron was quickly overpowered by Optimus during the ensuing fight, and forced to lead a small group of Autobots to his lab. Once the Autobots disabled and destroyed Megatron's Destruction Beam device, they took him as a prisoner of war. Megatron was eventually traded back to the Decepticons in order to guarantee the safe release of a number of captured Autobots, but the Decepticons were ultimately defeated.

In another possible sequence of events, Megatron bumped into Cosmos, wandering the confines of the Decepticons’ fortress.

If Megatron allowed the little Autobot to speak, Cosmos would tell him of how he overheard Soundwave and Starscream plotting to overthrow him. Enraged by the news, Megatron ignored Cosmos to confront the pair. The Decepticons began fighting one another, leaving the Autobots to their own devices. This would ultimately lead to the Decepticons’ doom when the Autobots managed to recall the Destruction Beam to its point of origin, annihilating the Decepticons.

If Megatron didn't bother to listen to what Cosmos had to say, he called his Decepticon troops to himself so that they could all partake in Cosmos's destruction. Before the Decepticons were able to begin, they found themselves surrounded by an team of Autobot. Though the Autobots defeated the Decepticons, they were unable to interfere with the Destruction beam. The Destruction beamed then reached its target, and Center City was destroyed. Though the Autobots were able to gain control of the Decepticon fortress and destroy the lab, they were not able to wipe out all of the evil robots, and enjoyed a pyrrhic victory at best.

In another possible scenario, the Autobots Powerglide, Windcharger and Beachcomber were captured by the Decepticons while snooping around in their secret fortress. After ordering the Autobots executed, Megatron sent out a false distress signal to Optimus, tricking the rest of the Autobots to walk into a trap. With the Autobots destroyed, Optimus declared the world to be his.

In yet another possible scenario, Megatron captured Buster and Beachcomber wandering about the Decepticons’ fortress, and tortured the pair by forcing them to watch the destruction of Center City via a view screen. The show over, Megatron then turned his cannon upon the intruders, and pulled the trigger...

Another course of action could lead to Megatron brainwashing the human Jessie into being loyal to the Decepticons. Using her as bait, Megatron successfully captured all of the Autobots.

In a final possible path, wherein Beachcomber attempted to enter the Decepticons’ fortress by himself through the front door, he was jumped by the Decepticons and disassembled. Megatron then ordered his Decepticons to rebuild Beachcomber. In the process, the Decepticons planned to swap Beachcomber's memory chip for a Destructicon chip, to create the perfect double agent.

In several other possible outcomes, Megatron gloated and laughed as his plans came to fruition, and the Earth came under his rule. In several others, Megatron's plot was foiled before it would even begin. All of this hinged on what choices the Autobots made. {{storylink|Earthquake (book)|Earthquake}}

====Desert Flight====
When the Autobot-Decepticon civil war had yet to expand beyond Cybertron, Megatron made use of a weapon that weakened the gravitational pull within a confined area. The weapon being unreliable, Megatron opted not to use it again for quite some time.

Later on Earth, Megatron lead a Decepticon deployment stationed in a desert base. The Decepticons plotted to lure the Autobots in a trap through the use of an anti-gravity beam. Using the beam on a nearby human settlement, the Autobots would be duped into coming to the fleshliness’ rescue, only to be themselves trapped by the effects of the beam.

If the Autobots bypassed the anti-gravity field, Megatron would use his [[magna-mike]] to deliver an ultimatum; either the Autobots surrender Optimus Prime as a prisoner of war, or the Decepticons would use their gravity weapon to make the nearby human town float off into space.

If the Autobots ignored Megatron's ultimatum, the Decepticon leader would activate his base's forcefield to stop their advance, before firing the gravity beam in all directions. This caused a ripple effect, and all Autobots, humans, and anything else on Earth not nailed down to its surface floated helplessly out into space.

In the event that the Autobots used a trojan ruse to infiltrate the Decepticon base, Megatron was one of the few Decepticons who had not gotten drunk in premature celebration, and called reinforcements to his position to fight off the Autobot intruders.

In the event that Windcharger successfully turned the Decepticons’ forcefield off, reinforcements burst into the base just as Megatron was strike Optimus from behind. His aim thrown off at the last moment, Megatron blasted a hole in his own base, revealing to the Autobots the location of the gravity gun. Though Hook successfully caught Optimus in the gun's beam, Megatron caught sight of the human [[Buddy]] near the gravity weapon's control panel, ready to tamper with it. Megatron charged towards the boy.

If Buddy pulled the gravity gun's horizontal control just as Hook turned the weapon to full power, the weapon would swivel and catch Megatron in its beam, tearing the Decepticon leader to pieces.

In a completely different possible sequence of events, Dirge and Buzzsaw brought before Megatron the Autobot Cosmos. As the little Autobot had attempted to infiltrate the Decepticon base on his own, Megatron decided to have Hook build a duplicate of Cosmos who house a [[proton bomb]], and would destroy the Autobots when it “reported back” to Optimus Prime.{{storylink|Desert Flight}}

====Decepticon Poison====
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In one possible sequence of events, Megatron was accompanied by a squadron of Decepticon jets to take out the recently poisoned Autobots. They found themselves fighting against the recently cured Autobots, and Megatron was temporarily stunned by a shot courtesy of Sunstreaker. Undeterred by this display of resistance, Megatron ordered his troops to engage their enemies. A fierce battle began between both sides. Megatron was quickly able to overpower the first wave of Autobots through the use of his fusion cannon, prompting Optimus to lead a back-up squad of Autobots against him. Both sides were forced into a retreat as they sustained grievous injuries over the course of the battle.

In another possible scenario, Megatron came upon the Autobot base, quiet as a tomb. Believing his plan to poison them having worked out perfectly, he strode into the Autobots’ headquarters, unawares that the Autobots were merely playing dead, having already been cured. Megatron ordered his troops to put aside their weapons in order to carry out the Autobots, and haul them over a nearby cliff to dispose of them. Once the Decepticons disarmed themselves, they were ambushed by the Autobots, and defeated with ease.

In another possible scenario, Megatron allowed Ramjet to lead a full-scale Decepticon assault against the poisoned Autobots. The Autobots, having miscalculated on how much antidote they had taken to cure themselves of the Decepticons’ poison, found themselves falling apart, leading to an easy victory for the Decepticons.

In yet another possible scenario, where the Autobots weaponized the tainted fuel and created a toxic cloud by burning it, the Decepticons were forced to retreat before their attack was fully underway.

In another possible scenario, Megatron lead a horde of Decepticons to a the water supply facility, about to poison it when the Autobots arrived on-scene. In one possible sequence that followed, he killed Bluestreak, Hound and Mirage before confronting Optimus Prime. Ultimately, Megatron and his Decepticons were defeated, though they left the Autobots worse for wear.

In another possible path, where a small group of Autobots attempted to destroy the Decepticons’ poison in their lab, only for the resulting explosion to render them unconscious, Megatron gloated to Optimus, Prowl, Bumblebee and Mirage, now his captives, that thanks to their foolish decisions, the Autobots would die a slow agonizing death, while the humans would soon become Decepticon slaves. {{storylink|Decepticon Poison}}

===Milton Bradley mini-comic===
When the Autobots launched an [[Ark (G1)|ark]] to clear a path through the asteroid belt that threatened [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Megatron set an ambush and boarded the ship with his men. He grappled with the Autobot leader, [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] who revealed that the ship had been set on a collision course with a nearby planet. Megatron had his own contingency plan, and ordered [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to jump clear. The crash knocked out Megatron and everyone else aboard the ark, but four million years later, a volcanic eruption jolted the ship's systems back into life. Megatron and the others were repaired by the ship's brain, and were soon ready to renew hostilities on [[Earth]]. {{storylink|In the Transformers}}

===Beehive Books continuity===
Megatron plotted the destruction of the Autobots in [[Castle Decepticon]]. Megatron had also allied himself with a [[Malevolent Giant Serpent]] to guard said castle. When the Autobots attacked, Megatron sent out his most loyal Decepticons to fend them off. {{Storylink|Transformers Pop-Up Book}}

===Frito-Lay posters===
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Megatron and his sinister Decepticons engage in battle with the Autobots to seize a tremendous energy source from a dam. Things get worse for Megatron when Shockwave decides it is time to betray his commander and seize control! {{storylink|The Power Struggle}}

Megatron was amongst a squad of Decepticons who attempted to get to the power source within [[Sherman Dam|another dam]]. He dueled Optimus Prime, while his minions lit up the surrounding landscape with numerous explosions. The Decepticons were ultimately unsuccessful in gathering the data they were after. {{storylink|Battle in the Desert Valley}}

===''Mystery of Convoy'' strategy guide manga===
{{see|#Games}}
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Megatron, having grown to gargantuan proportions, attacked Ultra Magnus after the Autobot had defeated all of his underlings. Megatron drew first blood by scorching Ultra Magnus with his flamethrower. But Ultra Magnus recovered, and used his "Hyper Jump Shot" to shoot Megatron's forehead multiple times, defeating the Decepticon leader. {{storylink|Transformers (Mystery of Convoy)#Stage 10: Showing up at Last! It's Megatron the Leader!|Showing up at Last! It's Megatron the Leader!}}

===''PDTF Comic''===
[[File:PDtype-Matrixattack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|This is how the movie ''should've'' gone.]]
With the discovery of a new super energy source known as the [[Blackball]]s, Megatron found himself joined by numerous Decepticons from all across the timestream, all hoping to obtain the ebony spheres. Naturally, opposing him were a team of Autobots, also gathered from all across the timestream.

In one confrontation with his eternal foe, Optimus Prime, Megatron got to relive their battle at Autobot City. Except this time around, Megatron was defeated when Prime launched his "Matrix Attack" (''literally'' launching the Matrix from his chest, bonking Megatron on the noggin). {{storylink|PDTF Comic##1 "You're Great! Optimus Prime!"|You're Great! Optimus Prime!}}

Later, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] managed to find what he ''thought'' was a Blackball. He presented it to Megatron and received much praise...until the Blackball turned out to be a cartoon bomb which exloded in their faces. As the Autobots stood astonished that their crude strategy succeeded, a badly singed Megatron was left in a smoking crater, strangling Starscream. {{storylink|PDTF Comic##3 "Don't Cry! Megatron!!"|Don't Cry! Megatron!!}}

During battle with [[Victory Leo]], Megatron found himself horribly outmatched. Thinking quickly, he launched a special weapon from his fusion cannon: a ball of yarn. The giant robot kitty immediately began playing with the yarn, giving Megatron the distraction he needed to escape. {{storylink|PDTF Comic##6 "Tough as Nails! Victory Leo!"|Tough as Nails! Victory Leo!}}

After that, he had to snap a pensive [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]] out of a trance and order him to return to a battle he had walked away from in order to look at clouds. {{storylink|PDTF Comic##9 "Oh, Overlord."|Oh, Overlord.}}

Some time later, Starscream located yet another Blackball. This time, though, he decided to keep its power for himself and use it to overthrow Megatron. Then it exploded in his hands because it was ''another'' cartoon bomb. Megatron watched the explosion from a distance, unaware of what was going on. {{storylink|PDTF Comic##10 "Good Luck! Starscream!!"|Good Luck! Starscream!!}}

===The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual===
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Megatron was once a minor Decepticon, but rose to take control of the empire via right of battle and gladiatorial combat. Once he had enough followers, he struck against the Autobots and began the eons-long war between the two factions. He personally headed the initial attack against Optimus Prime's home city, [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]. {{storylink|The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual|Megatron's ''The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual'' profile}} The conflict steadily consumed Cybertron's fuel supplies, and when Megatron learned that Optimus Prime planned to seek out new energy sources throughout the galaxy, he ordered the construction of a ship to pursue his nemesis. His crew struck against the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], with both Autobots and Decepticons becoming too distracted while fighting to notice as they entered an asteroid belt. Two colliding meteorites sent their ship crashing into the planet Earth. After eons of dormancy, the Decepticons awoke to a world populated by humans, and attacked a nuclear power plant, claiming it as their base of operations. The Autobots soon awoke as well, and took up the fight once more against Megatron's forces. {{storylink|From Cybertron to Earth the War Continues...}}

Megatron remained in a stalemate against Optimus Prime and his forces for a long time. When Optimus started building new troops better adapted for combat on Earth, Megatron countered by creating the Illuminator [[Jolt (G2)|Hotrod]]. {{storylink|The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual|Hotrod's ''The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual'' profile}}

Following one of his patrols, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] reported that he had momentous news to announce. Though his crony tried to make a show of his report, Megatron quickly lost his patience and had Starscream blurt out what he had learned, threatening to blast him should he try and embellish the story. Starscream's information proved portentous indeed; the Autobots had uncovered an ancient Cybertronian ship in [[Africa]], containing a star-map that pointed the way back to Cybertron. Megatron led his troops to [[Table Mountain]], where he found the Autobots guarding the spherical vessel. With surprising ease, the Decepticons managed to send Optimus and his soldiers into a retreat. But as they swarmed into the ship, they found that there were no controls within it. Too late, Megatron realized that the whole thing had been a trap choreographed by the Autobots. The ship launched blindly into space, the Decepticons its prisoners. {{storylink|Day of the Decepticons}}

When a report came in from [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], alerting Megatron that the Autobots were investigating two new Transformer power emissions in the [[Brazil]]ian rain forest, the Decepticon leader saw it as an opportunity to finally tip the scales in his favor.

Megatron arrived on-scene to find his hated enemy already struggling against two [[Dinobot (G1)|robot dinosaurs]], and knocked out the majority of the combatants with a single blast from his tank turret. Though one Autobot still standing, [[Fizzle|Blaze]], tried to torch him with his fiery exhaust weaponry, Megatron simply shrugged off the flames and swatted the bothersome pest aside. But when [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] attempted to trap the dinosaurs in a [[plasma net]], an unforeseen negative ion feedback triggered their Transformer circuitry, and restored their personalities along with their robot modes. [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] quickly overpowered the Decepticons and shattered Megatron's cannon. Megatron ordered an immediate withdrawal, and the Decepticons were forced to leave empty-handed. {{storylink|The Dinobots!}}

After it became apparent that the Decepticons wouldn't be returning to Cybertron in the foreseeable future, Megatron resolved to convert Earth into a new Cybertron. He had [[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] head a construction project in the [[Clarke Atoll]], building giant rocket boosters that would shift the planet out of its orbit. Once the Earth had drifted away from the sun's warmth, its biosphere would become barren, making an easy task to reformat it. Hearing from his lackey that construction had come to an end, Megatron ordered the rockets to be fired up immediately, foregoing any test-trials. But the Autobots involved themselves, with [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and [[Deftwing]] managing to sabotage the rockets from within. Megatron was forced to retreat to avoid getting swallowed up by the resulting lava swell, which destroyed Scrapper's creation. {{storylink|Moving Day Planet Earth}}

===''Comic Bom Bom G-2'' manga===
In the 1990s, the Decepticons had learned of a powerful new energy source known as [[forestonite]] which just happened to be located (surprise surprise) on [[Earth]]. Megatron sent his trio of [[Cyberjet]]s to Earth first to draw out the enemy Autobots. The Cyberjets made quick work of [[Electro]] but were soon halted by the appearance of Optimus Prime.

Megatron then entered the fray and fired his Black Hole Burn attack from his fusion cannon, narrowly missing Optimus Prime but vaporizing [[Hooligan (G2)|Hooligan]] in the process. Prime fought fiercely but Megatron began to take the upper hand in battle.

However, Prime was encouraged to keep fighting by the cheers of a human boy named [[Junpei]]. Megatron, surprised at Prime's resilience, attempted to finish his foe off with his Tornado Axe attack. Prime countered with his Double Wheel-Torque Mega-Ton, which trumped Megatron's attack and injured the Decepticon badly. Megatron teleported back to his ship and left Earth's atmosphere, vowing to return. {{storylink|The New Battle!!}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
At some point, the local [[Archforce]] of [[Primax 895.0 Gamma]] posed a threat to Optimus Prime and Megatron alike. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#August 10, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 10/08/2015}}

===''Beast Wars'' pack in material===
{{note|The pack-in fiction of the first wave of Beast Wars toys predates the development of the Beast Wars cartoon and its backstory. Instead, it presents the setting as a direct continuation of the previous Autobot/Decepticon conflict, with [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] cast as new forms for their Generation 1 counterparts and their battles taking place on present day [[human]]-inhabited Earth rather than in the distant past. Once the cartoon launched the toyline adjusted itself to match, relegating this to a [[micro-continuity]] separate from the rest of [[Beast Era]] fiction.}}

[[File:PrimavsMegs toycomic.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Look out Batman, it's Killer Croc!]]

[[File:Optimusprimalvsmegatronmegandlab.jpg|thumb|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIfSaDNVjXI I drive a Chevrolet movie theatre.]]]

Megatron believed that the Predacon way of life was to prosper or perish, and that the Maximals must be wiped out if the Predacons were to prosper. As for Optimus Primal, he planned to ''eat'' him! {{storylink|Megatron (BW)/toys#Beast Wars|Megatron bio (basic alligator mold)}}

The Maximals' "[[bio-genetic morphing process]]" allowed them to fuse organic musculature and Transformers technology... so Megatron and his Predacons did the same thing, with the DNA of Earth's most vicious predators! When the Maximals tried to destroy the Predacons' lab, Megatron was waiting in his ferocious alligator form. Mistaken for a harmless Earth creature, he was able to get to the drop on Optimus Primal and summoned in his soldiers [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]].

The battle was still lost, leading to Megatron destroying the lab so his enemies couldn't get its secrets. He then fled, vowing to return with new forms and new plans when the Maximals least expected it. {{storylink|Optimus Primal vs Megatron!}}

Megatron eventually succeeded in obtaining ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' DNA, stolen from human research labs, and subsequently used it to re-engineer his body into a powerful new form. Amongst his artillery, he boasted "poisonous paralyzer fluids blasts" that emanated from his [[beast mode]]'s mouth, while his tail was configured into a "powerful pincher claw" capable of slicing an enemy in half. {{storylink|Megatron (BW)/toys#Beast Wars|Megatron bio (ultra ''T. rex'' mold)}}

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Garry Chalk]] (English), [[Wataru Takagi]] (Japanese)}}
[[File:G1Megatron Disc Agenda part2.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|left|Now that's what we call a smile.]]
After the Autobot/Decepticon war moved to Earth, Megatron hunted down the [[Voyager spacecraft]] as it traveled through the [[Solar System]] and encoded a message on its disc. Should his efforts fail, he left detailed instructions to any Decepticon descendants who recovered the disc, instructions which apparently condoned use of [[Unspace|transwarp]] technology to alter history in his favor by locating the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] before it was reactivated, with access codes to the Ark stored in the disk, and killing Optimus Prime before the Autobots and Decepticons reawaken. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}}

The disk (dubbed the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]]) eventually fell into Cybertronian hands and was stolen by a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] who shared Megatron's name. {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 1)}} This new [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]], later stranded in Earth's past, was able to use a recording of the original Megatron to sway one of the original Megatron's most loyal troops, [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], to his cause. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}}

[[File:G1Megatron MasterBlaster stasislock.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Sure, we all need our beauty sleep, but 4 million years, now that's taking the piss.]]
The original Megatron himself was stranded in Earth's past on board the Ark, offline. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}} Before long, Predacon Megatron was able to approach the comatose body of his namesake and steal his [[spark]], integrating it into his own system. Almost immediately, however, during Predacon Megatron's painful reaction to this integration, he was thrown into a pool of lava by his treacherous underlings. In spite of—or perhaps because of—this, Predacon Megatron emerged from the lava, with a new body that could now transform into a fire-breathing dragon. It is unknown how much influence the original Megatron's Spark had in this metamorphosis. {{storylink|Master Blaster}}

A [[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]] was mentioned in the [[Covenant of Primus]], an ancient sacred text which claimed to prophesize future events, including the Beast Wars. It was implied that both Megatrons took their name from here. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}

=====Ask Vector Prime=====
[[File:G1Megs Nemesis part2 deletedclip.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|left|I was cut out?! This is Starscream's doing!]]
At the end of the Beast Wars, after Predacon Megatron was overcome, the original Megatron's Spark was returned to his body, restoring the flow of history. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 23, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 23/07/2015}}

====3H comics====
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Megatron was one of the legendary Autobots and Decepticons who resided in [[J'nwan]] after the end of the Great War. During the battle known as [[Point Omega]], Megatron was among the legends who arrived to combat the warlord [[Shokaract]]. Their efforts contributed to Shokaract's defeat and the nullification of the sequence of events that had led to his existence. {{storylink|Terminus (issue)|Terminus}} {{storylink|Departure}}

After the Beast Wars had run its course, Megatron's inert form could still be seen within the Ark when the [[Vok]] removed the Matrix of Leadership from an unconscious Optimus Prime and gave it to their creation, [[Primal Prime]]. {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 1}}

====''Transformers Legends'' anthology====
His spark within the body of [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], Megatron was able to talk the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] leader into a new plan. Once they had broken into the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and implanted a fragment of Megatron's spark into Starscream, he was able to use the air warrior to attempt to return his spark to its rightful place. Unfortunately, the beast Megatron resisted and overcame Megatron in a war of wills, subsuming the older Megatron. After the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] ended, the [[Maximal]]s returned Megatron's spark to his body. {{storylink|A Meeting of Minds}}

While the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] Megatron was being guided through the afterlife by the [[Maximal]] [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], he beheld a vision of his Decepticon ancestor in the realm of "Severity". The elder Megatron severed his own arm and destroyed it as energy within it threatened his continued existence. This image then morphed into a reflection of the Predacon Megatron as the vision continued. {{storylink|Singularity Ablyss}}

====Razorclaw continuity====
In one splinter timeline of [[Primax 496.22 Alpha]], the Predacon leader Megatron succeeded in absorbing the spark of his namesake. The Vok emissary [[Tigerhawk]] managed to kill Megatron, but it was too late; the ensuing [[timestorm]] consumed reality. [[Unicron]] would later pluck Tigerhawk from the remains of his timeline, and the hardened warrior would become [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]]. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#August 7, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 07/08/2015}}

===''Beast Wars Metals'' manga===
The apparition of Megatron haunted the thoughts of his descendant, [[Megatron (BW)|the Predacon Megatron]], inspiring him to travel to prehistoric Earth and search for the ''Ark''. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 2|Beast Wars Metals #2}}

The younger Megatron eventually found the ''Ark'' and merged with the spark of the original Megatron, gaining a gigantic new body. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 5|Beast Wars Metals #5}} [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] eventually merged with the spark of Optimus Prime and, after a battle, the merged Megatron spark was completely destroyed. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 6|Beast Wars Metals #6}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
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[[File:Megatrong1gladiator.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Gladiators can afford extra paint applications.]]
Young Megatron was a rising star in gladiatorial combat in the depths of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. As victory upon victory mounted, he began to realize that the games were nothing more than an elaborate conspiracy by the [[Council of Ancients]] to divert the attentions of the masses from the dangerous truth of Cybertron's history. When Megatron began to show interest in Cybertron's buried past through exploration and research, the Council of Ancients attempted to have him assassinated—a plan that only resulted in stirring up even more discontent among Cybertronians, allowing Megatron to begin recruiting for the Decepticon movement.

First his "inner circle", then many of the gladiators, and then finally disgruntled civilians answered his call to action. The Decepticons were born. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

[[File:Fledglingcause.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Megatron is so grass-roots.]]
In search of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Autobot Matrix]], Megatron personally killed [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], only to find that the Autobot leader was not even carrying the Matrix of Leadership. He then sent an assassination squad to the inauguration of the new [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus]], only for the whole squad to be killed. {{storylink|The War Within issue 1|The War Within #1}} Refusing to give up, Megatron paid a visit to one of the huge planetary engines which the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s were reactivating, using it to orchestrate a disaster in the destruction of the [[Forum of Enlightenment]], all in order to lure Optimus underground. Megatron sent [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] to kill Prime and bring him the Matrix {{storylink|The War Within issue 2|The War Within #2}} As Megatron explained to [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] his plan to transform [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] into a massive warworld that would cut a swathe of destruction through the galaxy, Optimus again defeated the Decepticons sent against him.

Starscream mocked his leader, not only because his plan was failing to take off, but because Megatron believed the Matrix of Leadership to be more than a mere "ceremonial bauble;" Megatron planned to use the artifact as a battery for Cybertron's engines. After striking Starscream down and telling him never to question him, Megatron finally opted to confront the new Prime personally, and headed to meet him in Cybertron's underground. The two faction leaders met atop of a bridge, but Starscream blasted this overpass in a bid for leadership of the Decepticons, plunging both Optimus and Megatron into an abyss. {{storylink|The War Within issue 3|The War Within #3}} Megatron wound up being separated from Prime in the fall, but found him quarry soon enough by blasting his way through whatever obstacles were in his path. Megatron continued to press his attack, explaining to Optimus exactly why he needed the Matrix and urging Prime to join him. Optimus refused to cooperate, something that Megatron found satisfaction in, since Sentinel Prime hadn't put up much of a fight before his demise. When Megatron drove his fist into his opponent's chest, the Matrix enveloped them both in light, and they found themselves on [[Earth|an alien world]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 4|The War Within #4}} Visions of the future, spawned by the Matrix, played out before the two warriors, even as they continued to fight. Every time Megatron came close to eviscerating his opponent, the environment would shift, forestalling his victory. Finally both combatants were returned to subterranean Cybertron, only for Prime to be teleported away, separating him from Megatron. {{storylink|The War Within issue 5|The War Within #5}} Optimus returned with [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s [[sword]] and a new resolve, and began beating down Megatron. Though Optimus stopped short of slaying his opponent, Megatron was so thoroughly thrashed in battle that he lost all memory of the Matrix-induced visions he had shared with Prime. Meanwhile, Starscream had activated the planet mechaforming process too soon, resulting in the destruction of the machinery, putting an end to Megatron's plot. Megatron shambled through Cybertron's underground, eventually coming across Soundwave. The Decepticons reconvened to fight another day. {{storylink|The War Within issue 6|The War Within #6}}

Roughly 7.4 million years BCE, Megatron and Optimus Prime disappeared in an early test of the then-unstable [[space bridge]] matter-transport system. {{storylink|Fragmentation (G1)|Fragmentation}} Spending an undisclosed time on the planet [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]], Megatron returned with an overwhelming army of lifeless [[Air Warrior|seeker clones]], arriving as the planet was on the verge of peace. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath}} He quickly subjugated the planet, though he kept secret the fact that he was working with the Quintessons. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}} At some point during his conquest, Megatron angrily confronted Starscream for highjacking his plans while he was away, and enacting revenge against the council of elders. Though Starscream claimed he was merely following orders in spirit, Megatron grappled his underling by the throat, and made it clear through threats that Starscream shouldn't presume his own autonomy; he was to follow his orders to the letter, and nothing else. {{storylink|The Omega Effect}} Afterwards, Megatron took great delight in sealing Starscream in a tank of [[Piranacon (Quintesson)|Piranacons]] and placing the Autobots in internment camps, while working on a plan to access Cybertron's core. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}}

{{Unreleased WW comic}}
The Quintessons contacted Megatron, and demanded that the Decepticon deliver Cybertron's core in exchange for having provided him with his army. Megatron forestalled the deal, having commissioned Shockwave to modify his Air Warriors to obey only him, and not their creators. Growing annoyed with Megatron's excuses, the Quintessons informed him that they had detected several Autobot signatures encroaching on his work camp. Leaving to deal with the intruders himself, Megatron tracked down [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] and his team, and began beating them down. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.4}} He was interrupted by Grimlock, recently returned from the dead, and was too distracted by the "worthier opponent" to stop Blaster from freeing all of the enslaved Autobots. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.5}} After his troops were subsequently defeated, Megatron fled. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.6}}

Four million years BCE, Cybertron was threatened by a massive approaching asteroid, so Optimus Prime led a contingent of Autobots aboard the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] to blow the rock to fragments, which were transported away by an orbital space bridge network. When this task was completed, Megatron chose this moment to strike, attacking the Ark with his troops. Crippled, the craft flew through one of the space bridge portals, and was transported to prehistoric Earth, where it crashed, entombing the occupants in stasis for four million years.

The Autobots and Decepticons were reactivated in 1984, but specific details of their battles in the 1980s and 1990s are unrecorded. In 1999, an Autobot/Human military alliance succeeded in capturing and deactivating the Decepticons. However, the [[Ark II]] spaceship carrying them back to Cybertron exploded shortly after liftoff, and the Transformers were believed destroyed. In actuality, they had been scattered back to Earth, where they lay in [[stasis lock]] across the globe for three years.

This slumber was brought to an end when [[Lazarus|Adam Rook]] (aka Lazarus), a rogue military scientist who had devised a method of controlling Transformers, salvaged many of the fallen Cybertronians and reprogrammed them as mass killing machines, which he then attempted to sell on the black market. Megatron was used to attack and destroy a rebel encampment in [[South America]]. Lazarus later demonstrated his voice control of Megatron to a prospective client, however though Megatron obeyed the lesser commands, he would not move when commanded to kneel. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 1|Prime Directive #1}}

Having sufficiently raised interest, Lazarus held an auction, beginning with Megatron. He was unprepared when the Decepticon leader demonstrated his autonomy, blasting his way out of the bunker. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 2|Prime Directive #2}} Megatron swiftly put into action a plan to use a [[cyber-virus]] to reformat Earth into a new Cybertron, with Lazarus as its first casualty. As the Autobots arrived, Megatron outlined his plan to Optimus, suggesting that the Autobot leader simply let it happen. Prime declined, however as the two factions fought, the US Military decided to enact [[Operation Clean-Up]] and dropped a bomb on them. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 3|Prime Directive #3}}

The bomb's energy absorbed by the virus, the Decepticons left the area before the Autobots could recover. Megatron unleashed [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] on [[San Francisco]], resulting in mass slaughter and the devastation of the city. The Autobots arrived and engaged the Decepticons in battle, but [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]'s defeat turned the course of the battle towards Autobot defeat. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 4|Prime Directive #4}} Although Prime took down Devastator, he still fell before Megatron, who took the time to point out how worthless the humans around them were. He again suggested that Optimus join him. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 5|Prime Directive #5}} The actions of a group of humans, including ramming Megatron with fire engines, inspired the Autobots to fight back. Optimus slammed Megatron to the ground and delivered a beating, but Soundwave's news that the humans had launched a [[Nuclear weapon|nuke]] at their battleground in a virtual repeat of the events in Canada, provoked a peal of laughter from Megatron. Though the nuke was stopped by [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], the Decepticons escaped in the ensuing chaos. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 6|Prime Directive #6}}

{{charstubfiction|[[The Transformers Trilogy]] ({{storylink|Transformers: Hardwired|Hardwired}} / {{storylink|Transformers: Annihilation|Annihilation}} / {{storylink|Transformers: Fusion|Fusion}})}}

[[File:Shockwavedwwarandpeace.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Megatron's a bottom.]]
Several months later, Megatron was subliminally summoned to a remote area in Alaska along with the other Earthbound Transformers. There they battled until Megatron's former second-in-command, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], arrived and revealed that in their absence the war on Cybertron had ended. He next attempted to arrest Megatron, Prime, and their troops as war criminals. Though the Autobots escaped, Megatron, weakened by battle, was quickly defeated by Shockwave and loaded aboard a shuttle for return to Cybertron. He rebooted just in time to be conscious as Starscream jettisoned him into space on the return trip. {{storylink|New World Order}} Megatron used the time floating in space to contemplate his existence and the Decepticon goal. Realizing that he had wasted millennia in his feud with Prime, Megatron resolved to once again conquer Cybertron as a means of enhancing the Transformer race and strengthening it from outside threats. It seemed as through he would not live to accomplish this goal, however, as death closed in on him... only for him to be retrieved by the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}} Wreck-Gar took Megatron to the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] and repaired and re-armed him, as well as digging up and reactivating a number of seeker clones that had wound up there after being dumped through space bridge portals. {{storylink|Generation 1 issue 0|Generation 1 #0}} Megatron returned the favor by stabbing him in the back with an energy dagger. {{storylink|Runnin' with the Devil}}

Traveling to the Planet [[Beast (planet)|Beest]], Megatron defeated the exiled Decepticon warlords, the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]], and rebuilt them into the mightiest of all combiners, [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], to serve as his ace in the hole in his quest to reclaim leadership of the Decepticons. {{storylink|Welcome to the Jungle}} Moving in stealth on Cybertron, Megatron defeated Shockwave, severing his laser arm and forcing him into servitude. {{storylink|Lost and Found (issue)|Lost and Found}} He then returned to Earth to collect the remaining Decepticons under Starscream's command. With Soundwave's help, he blasted a good-sized hole through Starscream himself, before the Air Commander revealed the recent activities of [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], a figure Megatron believed was connected to the [[Covenant of Primus]]. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

At some point in the future, Megatron possibly became [[Galvatron (G1)#Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity|Galvatron]]. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye#Issue #2|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye #2}}

===''Transformers Legends'' anthology===
Megatron was furious when Soundwave told him that [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] was selling Decepticon weapons on the black market. After chewing out [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]], he commanded Skywarp to bring Swindle in, and he wasn't fussy about how many pieces the Combaticon was in. {{storylink|Two for the Price of One}}

Megatron, along with [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and two [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]s, was waiting [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]] when [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] emerged from a meeting with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and two [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]s. {{storylink|Prime Spark (story)|Prime Spark}}

During the gladiatorial matches in the depths of Cybertron, Megatron encountered [[Geosensus]], and mistook him for a potential recruit. When Geosensus revealed he had no offensive capability, Megatron concluded he was a worthless idiot. Megatron prepared to terminate Geosensus, but was interrupted by Shockwave's warning that security forces were incoming. The two Decepticons left to plan their attack on Kaon. {{storylink|Parts}}

In one of Megatron's many attempts to take control of Earth's energy resources, he unleashed a weather machine that engulfed most of the Gulf Coast in a powerful hurricane. The Autobots managed to foil this plot, and forced him to flee. {{storylink|Healers, Fighters, and Transformers}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:Megatronddjoe.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Joey Slick > Cobra Commander]]
When [[Cobra]], a ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world, found a crashed spaceship full of Transformers in [[stasis lock]], Megatron proved to them that the machines weren't piloted vehicles when he briefly awoke and groaned that he still functioned. Cobra rebuilt the aliens into new vehicles and reprogrammed them to serve Cobra, with the exception of Megatron, who was rebuilt to transform into a Walther P38 handgun, but was only locked in this mode and not reprogrammed. Holstered by [[Cobra Commander]] at all times, the Decepticon mocked Cobra's decisions, such as deciding that [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], Megatron's traitorous lieutenant, would serve as the Commander's choice of transport. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 1|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #1}}

Regardless of his complaints, Megatron's only chance to be released from his state was to follow Cobra Commander's orders, such as providing instructions on how to create [[energon]]. Things weren't all bad, though, as he still got some enjoyment out of seeing his nemesis [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] being forced to steal and destroy. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #2}} Megatron was also pleased when [[Destro]] showed up and started bossing Cobra Commander around. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #3}}

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When the Transformers were cleared of their reprogramming thanks to [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], Cobra Commander found himself face to face with a very stern Optimus Prime, and tried to use Megatron to shoot the Autobot. However, Megatron still had some control of his body and strictly refused to fire, instead bargaining with Cobra Commander to return him to normal. The human gave in, and Megatron transformed and clashed with his old enemy. With Prime low on energon, Megatron came out on top, but before he could finish Prime off, Starscream attacked him and tried to take leadership of the Decepticons. Megatron got rid of him, but the distraction had allowed several Autobots to come to Optimus Prime's rescue. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 4|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #4}}

Ignoring Prime to focus on some more long-term plans, Megatron made [[Doctor Mindbender]] use the [[SPS Satellite]] to create large amounts of energon. However, his party was soon crashed when Optimus Prime attacked the facility and used the energon to power up. Finding the situation unsalvageable, Megatron tried to escape while Prime was busy with [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 5|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #5}} He ran right into [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]], but was unimpressed with their firepower and fought back with his [[energon mace]], possibly killing [[Mercer]]. Things quickly turned for the worse for Megatron; his arm was heavily damaged by a stray beam from the malfunctioning SPS Satellite, he was pounded by G.I. Joe's rockets, and Optimus Prime caught up to him and beat him to a pulp. Prime then stole his [[fusion cannon]] and used it to destroy the satellite and smack Megatron across the jaw, defeating him and ending the battle. The Decepticon was disassembled, but unbeknownst to the victors, his remains were seized and experimented upon by the United States government. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 6|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #6}}

[[File:The Art of War 1 Martin vs Megatron.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|No one sticks out their tongue at Megatron. At least, not for long.]]
A few years later, the human scientists had used Megatron's technology to create the [[Serpentor|Serpent Organic Robot]], a synthetic creature that combined the personalities of several of [[Earth]]'s most famous warmongers and Megatron. After being prematurely activated by Cobra Commander, Serpent O.R. flashbacked to a memory of Megatron's imprisonment and attacked the Cobra leader. He then plugged himself into Soundwave's deactivated head and learned the history of the Transformers, subsequently considering himself the son of Megatron. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 1|The Art of War #1}} Serpent O.R. went on to travel to Cybertron and realize his destiny of becoming the next leader of the Decepticons, while Megatron's remains were left where they lay in [[Area 52 (G1)|Area 52]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 2|The Art of War #2}}
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===''Transformers/G.I. Joe''===
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Megatron and his underlings lay buried and deactivated under a temple on the [[Fera Islands]] for some three million years, until one day in [[1938]] when they were somehow reactivated by [[Major Bludd]] touching the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. After learning that [[Cobra]], like the Decepticons, were ruthless conquerors in search of power, Megatron allied himself with the humans. However, this was merely a ruse so that he could get his hands on the Matrix, which proved hard as [[Cobra Commander]] kept on his person at all times. Megatron and his troops spent the following year helping Cobra ransack various European nations, stealing energy for themselves while leaving the useless "[[Gold|yellow metal]] and painted paper" for Cobra. In the summer of [[1939]], he took out the aerial defense of the English Channel alongside [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], clearing the way for an invasion of the [[United Kingdom]]. {{storylink|The Line}}

Hours later at the Fera Islands, Megatron was in the process of beating up Starscream for leaving his post when he spotted an Autobot [[Sky Spy|repair drone]] in the process of reactivating [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and his troops. This angered him slightly more than [[Destro]] eyeing his [[energon cube]]s. {{storylink|Transformed}} Deciding that he needed a safer place to store the energy, Megatron commandeered a submarine and forced Cobra troops to move the cubes into it, which did not please Cobra Commander. However, Megatron had decided their alliance had outlived its usefulness anyway, and prepared to squish the fleshling, only to learn the hard way that Cobra Commander could use the Matrix to cause him great pain. As Megatron collapsed, the Cobra leader warned him against ever rebelling again. {{storylink|Trial by Fire}}

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The Decepticon commander decided to bide his time, and stood calmly by Cobra Commander's side as their enemies closed in on the Terrordrome. When [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] refused to follow Cobra Commander's orders, Megatron admonished him in order to further trick the commander that he had learned his lesson. {{storylink|Trenches}} As Cobra Commander's orders led to Shockwave breaking apart, Megatron suggested that he be given the Matrix so he could repair his underling. Unfortunately for him, Cobra Commander did not fall for it, but Megatron at least got to taunt him for wasting valuable troops like that. Shortly afterwards, [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] was unleashed, causing a rockslide that crushed Cobra Commander's legs, despite his orders for Megatron to shield him. Instead, Megatron "humbly" suggested that the commander use his gun mode as a means of ending his life. Cobra Commander could not go through with it, but Megatron was simply picked up by the [[Baroness]], who executed her former leader. Free at last, the Decepticon leader went after the Matrix, only to find it had been stolen by [[Snake-Eyes]]. Before he could kill the ninja, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] arrived and attacked him, keeping him at bay while Snake-Eyes destroyed the Matrix in an attempt to destroy Bruticus, killing all the Transformers in the process. {{storylink|The Iron Fist}}

===''The Beast Within''===
Megatron led a full Decepticon offensive, catching the Autobots unaware. With the ensuing battle going in the Decepticons’ favour, Megatron waded through the battlefield, slaughtering Autobots as he went. Ordering his troops to leave no survivors, Megatron's onslaught was interrupted when the Dinobots combined into [[Beast (G1)|The Beast]], forcing him to prioritize this newest threat. He cheered on when Predaking clashed with The Beast, though it did the combiner little good. When Megatron attempted to interfere himself with The Beast as it took on several of the Decepticons’ combiners, he was tackled down and beaten up by Optimus. {{storylink|The Beast Within}}

With the Beast continuing its rampage, Megatron and his battered troops chose to flee the battlefield rather than risk being slaughtered by The Beast. {{storylink|The Beast Within Part 2, Consequences|The Beast Within Part 2, Consequences prologue}}

===''Q-Robo Transformer''===
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===''Another Con''===
Megatron was transformed into a {{w|Pikachu|small electrical rodent}}. Starscream sarcastically assured him that the Autobots would find him much more intimidating in this form. {{storylink|Another Con}}

===Descent into Evil===
During the first Great War, [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]] was an original member of Megatron's army. After the loss of Megatron, Flamewar continued to mourn him for some time, seeing the remaining Decepticon Generals such as [[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]] as pale imitations of him. {{storylink|Flamewar (G1)#Timelines_2|BotCon 2005 Flamewar profile card}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
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Realizing that peaceful movements could not change [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Megatron, a miner from [[Tarn (polity)|Tarn]], decided to wage a war against the corrupt [[Senate]]. With help from [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]] and his [[Autobot]]s, he overthrew the corrupt Autobot leader, [[Zeta Prime (G1)|Zeta Prime]], and became new tyrant of the planet. The betrayed Orion Pax, now going by the name of "Optimus Prime", gathered the remaining Autobots and organized a rebellion against Megatron and his [[Decepticon]] army. Over time, the war between Decepticons and Autobots spread throughout the entire galaxy.

Four million years later, Megatron arrived on Earth to put down a coup fronted by Starscream. Intrigued by the presence of an incredible new energy source known as [[Ore-13]] on the planet, Megatron remained on Earth, and when Optimus Prime arrived as well, it became a new battleground for the war. By springing a trap on the Autobots, Megatron cast them to the despoiled, [[Insecticon swarm|Insecticon-infested]] Cybertron and attempted to conquer Earth. However, aided by [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|a human]], Optimus Prime defeated Megatron at last, while Starscream took his damaged leader and retreated from the planet.

After a two-year convalescence, Megatron was revived in a new body built by [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]]. Seeking revenge on both Optimus Prime and humanity, Megatron concocted a plan to shatter the already-fragile alliance between the Autobots and their new human allies in [[Skywatch]], mind-controlling humans into his pawns through replicas of his gun form. Defeating Prime in battle, he then made the surprising move of surrendering himself to the Autobots, but his ulterior motives soon revealed themselves: by surrendering, he secured himself passage to Cybertron, and once there, used the [[space bridge]] technology in his new body to teleport his Decepticon army back to their homeworld. This plan played out in the midst of an attempt by [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] to bring the [[Dead Universe]] entity [[D-Void]] into the living reality; the minds of Megatron's troops were seized by D-Void and they were combined into [[Deceptigod|a giant monster]], which Megatron battled and defeated.

Galvatron's defeat was followed by the reformatting of Cybertron into a primordial state, and Megatron went into hiding in the wilderness to study the energy used to create D-Void's monster, using it to perfect the combination process. With a new [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] created through this idealized new process, as a well as a new body for himself design to interact with the combiner, Megatron laid siege to Iacon from within, but was stopped by a hidden forcefield implanted inside his body by [[Wheeljack (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Wheeljack]].

During Shockwave's attempt to destroy the universe, Megatron found himself working alongside [[Bumblebee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Bumblebee]] as they raced to prevent the mad scientist from completing his ascension. Although Bumblebee didn't survive the experience, Megatron had an epiphany at the eleventh hour: he had strayed so far from his original ideals of personal freedom and liberty for all, and declared himself an Autobot, donning Bumblebee's old insignia. In the aftermath, Megatron joined the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' after agreeing to postpone his trial. His presence on the ship proved controversial—not least among his former Decepticons, especially [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]] and the [[Decepticon Justice Division]]. He later found himself inadvertently trapped in the [[Functionist Universe]] and began working to overthrow the Functionists, this time through more peaceful means.

When the Functionists attempted to use the [[Warren]] to purge the galaxy of alien life, Megatron followed in the [[Last Light (ship)|''Last Light'']]. After centuries of battle, during which the Functionsists had actually transformed Cybertron into an effigy of Primus, Megatron found himself back in his home universe, reuniting with his old crew, for whom it had been only a few weeks. When Rung was discovered to be the actual Primus, he forged twelves duplicates of the Matrix of Leadership which the crew opened at each of Cybertron's hot spots, the energy wave overloading Vector Sigma and destroying the Functionsists who had merged with it. When the crew finally recontacted the rest of the Cybertronian race however, Prowl decided that, since the [[Knights of Cybertron]] didn't exist, Megatron would have to be tried by the [[Galactic Council]]. Agreeing to go quietly, Megatron was tried for his many crimes and sentenced to either eternal imprisonment or outright execution; whatever his ultimate fate, Megatron accepted the outcome, saying he deserved worse.

===''Lil Formers''===
After Runamuck had failed during his latest mission, Megatron hounded him down to punish him. Little did he know that Runamuck had repainted himself black to pass off as Runabout.

Later, Megatron declared it to be "Mega-Month," and introduced other-universe incarnations of himself. He claimed that his purple-and-green tank body was great for hiding out in Cybertron's vast eggplant fields. {{storylink|Lil Formers}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
Megatron was leader of the Decepticons, although he was inactive while some of his troops woke in the 19th century. The awake [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] plotted to destroy Megatron in the process of conquering [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 2|Hearts of Steel #2}} When the [[Elder God]]s woke years later, they took the [[Decepticon]]s under their control. When [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] confronted the manipulated [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] under the assumption that Megatron had awakened his forces, the Decepticon clarified that Megatron still slept and their true masters were the Elder Gods. {{Storylink|Infestation 2: The Transformers issue 1|Infestation 2: The Transformers #1}}

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===''Mini Mayhem!''===
Using an un-enlarger device, Megatron led his Decepticons in an infiltration of [[BotCon]] to track down next year's toy designs, and use them to conquer the Autobots once and for all! Unfortunately, the [[Eric Siebenaler|toy designer]] he was after wasn't in attendance, and so Megatron's plan fell to shambles.

On his birthday, Megatron found a badly-hidden bomb stuck in his cake. He was left wondering whether Starscream was putting any efforts in his coups anymore. {{storylink|Mini Mayhem!}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in comic===
In the 21st century, Megatron attacked [[Tokyo]], planning to steal its energy and enslave the population. He retreated once the Autobots arrived and a fight with Optimus ensued. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 1|Henkei! Henkei! #1}} Sending [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] to distract his nemesis, Megatron quietly gathered a large amount of energon cubes before being attacked by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]]. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 2Henkei! Henkei! #2}} Though the young Autobot proved able to dodge Megatron's cannon blasts, he soon found himself in Megatron's grip as soon as he attempted to charge the Decepticon leader. Rodimus kicked himself free, but was left with damaged optics and was unable to fire upon Megatron for fear of hitting the power plant behind him. But when Starscream tried to fire on Rodimus, the young Autobot dodged out of the way, and Megatron was hit by his own underling's null-ray! Megatron then chose to flee {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 3Henkei! Henkei! #3}} with enough energon to transform himself into Galvatron. He nearly killed Prime and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] upon undergoing this transformation, before apparently overloading and exploding, reverting him back into Megatron. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 7Henkei! Henkei! #7}}
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===''Henkei! Henkei! Generations'' comic===
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Starscream's ghost attempted to overthrow Megatron once more. Blowing away the cape and crown that Starscream had doned before their confrontation, Megatron admitted that he was curious to learn how Starscream's new "body" functioned. {{storylink|Starscream's Ambition}} But this Starscream wasn't the one Megatron was familiar with; the spectre had come forth from another dimension. Starscream explained this to Megatron before possessing the body of [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] and beginning to tear up the Decepticon ranks from within! As Megatron demanded what the ghost wanted truly wanted, (Megatron's head and the local Starscream's body, as it turns out) the quantum Operatives [[Skids (G1)#Quantum Operative|Skids]] and [[Screech (Generations)|Screech]] warped in on the scene and helped exorcise Starscream back to his home universe. {{storylink|Starscream's New Body}}
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===''Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun'' comic===
[[File:Henkei1 enter megatron.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2|At last, I have returned in a— wait, am I a [[Nerf|NERF]] pistol now?! CURSE YOU STARSCREAM!!!]]
When the legendary [[Energon cube#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Energon Cube]] was lost to the reaches of space, Megatron led a small team of Decepticons across the galaxy in pursuit. The cube crashed on Earth, in the Japanese town of [[Hoshinochō]], where it shattered into innumerable fragments that were scattered far and wide. To search for the cube shards, Megatron and his Decepticons took on the forms of local vehicles and devices, so they could operate in secret. [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Optimus Prime]] and his Autobots had also followed the Cube to Earth, and so the Transformers' war continued in secret on this new world. {{storylink|Kingdom of Giants}}

Ten years later, Megatron discovered that the humans had a "secret weapon" of sorts in their quest: They had allied themselves with the human boy [[Akira Kihara]], who possessed the incredible powers of a "[[Booster]]", one of a small number of beings in the universe born with the power to detect and manipulate the energies of the Energon Cube. Seeking the boy's power for his own, Megatron struck, but was repelled when Akira used his powers to their fullest. Alas, Akira overloaded his body and died in the process, and Prime was consumed with guilt. {{storylink|Time of Resurrection}}

One year after the battle for Akira, Megatron received word from [[Astrotrain (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Astrotrain]] that [[Starscream (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Starscream]] and [[Ramjet (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Ramjet]] were battling Prime's Autobots at the human structure known as the [[Star Dome]]. {{storylink|Enter! The Transformers}} Joining the conflict, he berating Starscream for his failures, using the fallen Air Commander as a shield to protect himself from Optimus Prime's shots. Chastizing Prime for not going all-out in his attack, Megatron turned his Fusion Cannon on [[Bumblebee (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Bumblebee]] and the Autobots' newest human ally [[Wataru Hoshinoumi]]. At the last moment, Prime appeared to deflect Megatron's blast with a shot of his, and Megatron elected to retreat, transforming to gun mode and collapsing a large chunk of the Star Dome to cover the Decepticons' withdrawal. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Appears!}} Starscream claimed Megatron's advanced age was making him weak, but Megatron suggested that he had another reason for calling retreat... {{storylink|Kingdom of Giants}}

[[File:Henkei6 megatron mace.jpg|thumb|Even if the mace's end is only a few feet from my head, it shall never hurt me!]]
When Starscream struck out on his own, attacking a power plant with the aid of the brainwashed Autobot [[Jetfire (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Skyfire]], Megatron observed the battle via a recording made by his spy, [[Ravage (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Ravage]]. The events that unfolded during the conflict confirmed Megatron's suspicions: Wataru was also a Booster! {{storylink|Wataru's Power}} Once again seeking to take the power of a Booster for himself, Megatron tracked Prime and Wataru when they went on a mission to investigate a local relic (in actuality, a cube shard), then struck hard. Taunting Prime with the memory of the last Booster that he had allowed to die, Megatron goaded the Autobot leader into a ferocious battle with their energon-axe and flail. Throughout the duel, Megatron challenged Prime's philosophy and beliefs, eventually striking home with the claim that Prime had hoped to use Wataru's power to defeat him. With Prime's focus broken by this sadly-true accusation, Megatron was able to lay Prime low and seize Wataru, informing the boy that he would not allow him to die like Akira had if he came with him willingly. Naturally, Wataru refused, and activated his powers, forcing Megatron back with a barrier shield; this, Megatron realized, was what had deflected his shot during his first encounter with Wataru, rather than Prime's blast. Wataru used his powers to heal Optimus and power-up his energon axe into a mighty [[sword]], which Prime used to tear a massive gash in Megatron's armor. The explosion that resulted decimated the surrounding countryside, and when Prime and Wataru awoke, Megatron was gone. {{storylink|Optimus Prime's Secret}}

[[File:Henkei8 megatron energon bath.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Now that my bubble bath is ready, I shall go get my [[Rubber Ducky|little rubber bathtime plaything]].]]
The injured Megatron had been spirited away by [[Cyclonus (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Cyclonus]], who took him to a network of caves beneath a volcano and placed him in a "bath" of molten [[energon cube]]s to heal him. {{storylink|Time of Resurrection}} While Megatron was recuperating, however, Starscream led Optimus Prime and Bumblebee to his location, in hopes that they would destroy him so that he could take his throne. As Starscream and Cyclonus battled in the air, Prime approached Megatron, and without hesitation, plunged his energon sword into the Decepticon leader's chest and broke the blade off within his body. Megatron howled in pain and fury, and the energon cubes around him began to react, rising to whirl around him and surround his body with their glow. The maddened Megatron seized one of the cubes and bit into it deeply, causing a huge energon explosion. As the light from the blast faded, Megatron stood restored, renewed and reformatted... now, he was [[Galvatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Galvatron]]! {{storylink|Creation! The New Emperor of Destruction!!}}
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===''Henkei! Henkei! Transformers -Visualize-''===
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===''Universe'' toy bios===
Numerous tragic encounters with Megatron tempered [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]]'s good nature. {{storylink|Ratchet (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Ratchet toy bio}}

===''Alternity''===
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Numerous incarnations of Megatron from throughout the [[multiverse]] were gathered together as the "[[Megatron Aggregate]]" under the leadership of [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Alternity|one particular incarnation]] who hailed from [[BT World|a universe]] where the Autobots had evolved into the hyperdimensional race known as the [[Alternity]]. Shackling the power of the trans-time god-beast [[Hytherion]], this Megatron conveyed time-and-space-manipulating powers similar to those of the Alternity upon himself as his different iterations, forging them into one cross-dimensional gestalt-consciousness entity. To battle the Alternity across time and space, the Megatrons copied their methods, projecting their consciousnesses into [[auto-avatar]]s. The Megatron responsible for the scheme took control of a "Premium Le Mans Blue" style auto-avatar, while his first known ally (from an unidentified dimension) possessed a "Blade Silver" body. {{storylink|To Mega Therion}}

The third identified member of the Megatron Aggregate hailed from [[universal stream]] [[Primax 1286.3 Kappa]]. In a "Diamond Black" auto-avatar body, he engaged in battle with "Ultimate Silver" [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Alternity|Optimus Prime]] across two universal streams, striking at him from the year 2009. This Megatron was amused when Prime deduced that he had an ulterior motive for operating in that year, and so made him a wager: if he could defeat him in a game of his own choosing, he would answer a question honestly. Megatron proposed manipulating the inhabitants of his home universe in a "game full of death and suffering", and infused a portion of his power through a legion of Decepticons (including his own past self) to be pitted against Prime's lone chosen champion, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|To Die Game!}}

With the Hytherion's power under the Aggregate's control, one Megatron and his universe's Decepticons' battle tactics changed from attacking specific strategic targets to widespread, sweeping destruction. {{storylink|Nissan GT-R / Ultra Magnus (Brilliant Pearl White)}}

{{note|Alternity beings are both individuals and a collective of separate entities. More fiction about Megatron's Alternity collective can be found [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Alternity|here]].}}

===''Universe'' cartoon===
[[File:FfE Megatron.JPG|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Cyclonus, if you would please fetch the nail clipper.]]
During the war, Megatron rose up to become leader of the Decepticons. Pursuing Optimus on his quest for more Energon, he shot down his ship. Landing, he, Starscream and Soundwave saw Optimus and his Autobots had survived, and taken disguises. Megatron's eyes turned red as he prepared to scan an alternate mode... {{storylink|Action Blast 1}}

Megatron and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] set up a mining operation near an abandoned [[Rock-It Fuel|gas station]] to extract Earth's natural resources and convert them to [[energon]]. They were discovered by [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], who created a diversion and knocked Cyclonus out. Megatron then blew the mining operation up with his double-barreled arm cannon and retreated with Cyclonus. {{storylink|Fight for Energon}}

===Robot Heroes===
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Megatron was once Optimus's friend. One day, he decided he wanted to rule the galaxy and have Optimus's Matrix for himself, bringing the two of them at odds. When the Autobots left Cybertron, Megatron and his Decepticons followed them to Earth in order to bring its people peace... through tyranny! Optimus shoved him off though, forcing Megatron to postpone his conquest to another day. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (Robot Heroes)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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===''Transformers'' (2010) toy bios===
[[Lugnut (TF 2010)|Lugnut]] was fanatically loyal to Megatron. {{storylink|Lugnut (TF 2010)#Transformers (2010)|''Transformers'' Lugnut toy bio}}

===''Generations'' toy bios===
[[Drift (G1)|Drift]] used to work for Megatron. {{storylink|Drift (G1)#Generations|''Generations'' Drift toy bio}}

[[Straxus (G1)|Darkmount]] was one of the few Decepticons to achieve legendary status on the level of Megatron. {{storylink|Straxus (G1)#Generations|''Generations'' Darkmount toy bio}}

Even Megatron shuddered at the name of the ruthless [[Black Shadow (G1)|Sky Shadow]]. {{storylink|Black Shadow (G1)#Generations|''Generations'' Sky Shadow toy bio}}

===''BeCool'' shorts===
'''Tank Lorry''' (タンクローリー ''Tanku Rōrī'') was a participant in the ''Quiz! BeCool'' show, teamed with [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Trailer]]. However, their inability to correctly answer questions or be civil to each other cost them the winning spot. Another BeCool, '''Hyper Tank''' (ハイパータンク ''Haipā Tanku'') was part of the audience. {{storylink|The Story of Quiz! BeCool}} Tank Lorry was part of [[Bumblebee (G1)|Yellow Sports Car]]'s explanation of BeCool marks. {{storylink|The Story of What Do I Know About the BeCool Mark?}} He was later caught in a big traffic accident when Yellow Sports Car spun out of control after slipping on a [[banana]] peel. {{storylink|The Story of Protecting the Signal!}}

It turned out that Tank Lorry was a movie director, and his filming of a movie was interrupted by the fire brigade who thought that the movie's pyrotechnics were an actual raging fire. {{storylink|The Story of the Fire Brigade Dispatch!}}

===''United''===
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Believing Optimus Prime to be dead, Megatron declared himself Cybertron's "Emperor of Destruction", and asked Starscream on the condition of a mysterious "item". Starscream only responded that the object in question would be put to better use under his control... and the conversation was cut short by the timely arrival of Optimus Prime and his troops! Ecstatic to see his old nemesis alive and fighting-fit, Megatron engaged the Autobot while Starscream urged him on. Many future battles would be had between the two rivals, with both combatants upgrading themselves into new bodies over the course of the ages. {{storylink|A New Battle!}}

At some point, [[Darkside Megatron]] was born out of Megatron's mental insanity. {{storylink|Darkside Megatron|''United'' Darkside Megatron toy bio}}
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===''Transformers: All Spark''===
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{{storylink|Another Episode, Part 1}} {{storylink|Another Episode, Part 2}} {{storylink|The Fated Rival, Once Again...}} {{storylink|To Earth}} {{storylink|Reunion and Parting}} {{storylink|Plans of the Emperor of Destruction}} {{storylink|Revenge (All Spark)|Revenge}} {{storylink|The False Power}} {{storylink|Ray of Hope}} {{storylink|Great Aspirations}} {{storylink|Conclusion}}

===''Transformers GT: Mission GT-R''===
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In a world where the Transformers' war settled into a series of competitive races known as the [[Transformers GT]], Megatron took on a race car form and became a [[GT Transformer]] under the name '''GT-R Megatron''', though he retained his ruthless nature and favored blasting other racers out of his way with his powerful [[EX. Cannon]]. In order to put an on limit his own strength, he separated his "[[Dark Matrix of Leadership|Dark Matrix]]", the portion of his soul governing his wisdom, into a [[GT Sister]] partner named [[Noa]].

====Comic====
Megatron had a reputation for suddenly showing up at race tracks and blowing away the competition with his incredible speed. This earned him the moniker of "The Silver Tyrant". At [[Noa]]’s urging, Megatron interrupted a race between Star Saber, Optimus Prime and Fortress Maximus as they neared their final laps. He quickly outpaced both Maximus and Saber before challenging Optimus to battle. As the two fought, Megatron explained that he considered the competition to be a farce, as he easily outclassed all those who opposed him. [[Safety Prime]] and his [[GT Sister]] [[Ai (GT)|Ai]] then drove onto the race track, announcing they would not stand for Megatron's grandstanding. In response, Megatron swatted Safety Prime away, and claimed he would soon make his nom-de-guerre all the more appropriate by pulverizing the new arrival. Before Megatron could give Safety Prime a thorough trouncing, Optimus stepped in, claiming he understood Megatron's true motivation for coming to the race track; a dire need for the thrill of the race! Having been promised a true challenge, Megatron took on his car mode once again, and all four Transformers resumed the race. {{storylink|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (comic)|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R}}

====''Story of Transformers GT''====
During round 3 of the 19th Transformers GT, GT-R Megatron specifically targeted his rival, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|GT-R Prime]]. Uninterested in other racers, he had Noa lock on his EX. Cannon to any approaching racers so that he could keep them from interfering with his race towards Prime. The first victim of his weapon was [[Star Saber (G1)|GT-R Saber]]. {{storylink|One Shot and One Kill!! –Finishing Blow–}} As he continued to blast everyone out of his way, [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|GT-R Maximus]] was displeased with Megatron's violent methods and set out to teach him a lesson with his own weapon, the [[Master Jack Sword]]. {{storylink|A Biggest Sword! –The Last Resort–}}

====Story pages====
During round 3 of the Transformers GT, Megatron burst onto the scene from inside a black trailer and threatened to destroy the race, expressing disappointment that all races so far had failed to excite his warrior's spark. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|GT-R Prime]] understood the newcomer's desire for a truly thrilling race and called upon Megatron to race against him. {{storylink|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (story page)|GT-R Megatron Attacks!}} Like other racers, GT-R Megatron attended photo shoots alongside Noa in order to promote coexistence between humans and Transformers. {{storylink|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (story page)|The Work of the GT Sister Race Queens?}} When a reincarnated [[Unicron]] attacked the Transformers GT finals intending to absorb the GT Transformers' energy, Megatron restored his true strength by using the "Matrix In" ability to recombine with Noa. He then fought and defeated Unicron alongside the other powered-up racers. {{storylink|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (story page)|The True TFGT}}

===Starscream's New Power===
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Starscream, having just driven off several other Decepticons after grabbing some weapons from [[Shockwave's Tower|Shockwave's lab]], gloated that the Decepticons would soon kneel before him as their new leader. He was unaware of Megatron sneaking up on him as he did so... {{storylink|Starscream's New Power}}

===''Construct-Bots'' cartoon===
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Megatron tried to shoot down [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] while he was showing off his jet mode, only for [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] to rear-end him, sending Megatron flying. The force of the impact also caused Megatron's parts to come off his chassis. Upon noticing this, Megatron covered himself in shame. {{storylink|Toys & App TV Commercial}}

Megatron was playing cards with [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] when [[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking]] attacked their base. Megatron used a nearby Construct-Bots computer terminal to upgrade both his minions. But when it came time to receive his own upgrade, Bumblebee mucked about with the computer, and Megatron got a gumball machine attached to his chest. Enraged, he threw the candy dispensor to the ground, only for gumballs to scatter about and cause him to trip. Falling to the ground, Megatron was left with a bare chassis as the impact caused all his parts to scatter! {{storylink|Intro!}}

Megatron tussled with Bumblebee. Throughout the fight, both 'bots' parts got rearranged in bizarre ways. At the end of the struggle, Bumblebee stood properly assembled, while Megatron found his chassis stripped of its parts! Humiliated, Megatron took off. {{storylink|Switcheroo!}}
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===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
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Starscream brought Megatron the disembodied head of Bumblebee, which contained massive amounts of useful information. As a reward Megatron gave Starscream a position of power. {{storylink|The Golden Boys}} The information he gained allowed Megatron to achieve victory against the Autobots and caused Optimus Prime to disappear. Megatron seemed insulted that his foe had abandoned their battle. {{storylink|Form Follows Function}} Around this time, Megatron seized the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and bonded it to his [[black hole]] spark. {{storylink|Pax Megatronus}} The Matrix led him to the face of [[Primus]]. Through it, the Decepticon leader began corrupting [[Vector Sigma]] and subjugated his creator to his will. Cybertron was slowly turned into a massive space ship which would utilize Primus' power to cyberform the entire galaxy. {{storylink|Expelled from the Garden}}

He then ordered Cybertron moved into the solar system of [[Earth]], where Starscream had retrieved Bumblebee from. {{storylink|I Saw Three Ships}} Megatron was atop his throne in [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] when G.I. Joe began bombing Cybertron with organic matter. The [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] eventually brought him the invaders, only for them to escape, along with some Autobots, when [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] projected an Optimus Prime hologram, causing Megatron to lunge at what he thought was his foe. {{storylink|Targetmasters (issue)|Targetmasters}} At some point Megatron aligned the Decepticons with Cobra. When [[Destro]] transwarped into Megatron's throne room, the cyber-human impressed Megatron with both his drive and mastery of mechanical life. Megatron allowed him to handle his next mission alone and gave him a gun as a gift to slay the comatose [[Cobra Commander]]. {{storylink|Funeral for a Friend}} Outraged that G.I. Joe was aiding the Autobots, Megatron launched a full attack on [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], recently deposed as Autobot King, tried to kill Megatron personally, only to be slain and salvaged for spare parts and war trophies. Despite [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] coming to aid his comrades, the Decepticon/Cobra alliance prevailed and Megatron allowed Metroplex and Fortress Maximus to slink off in their damaged states (though [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] believed Megatron had wounds to lick). {{storylink|Everybody Hates Metroplex}}

[[File:EverybodyHatesMetroplex-homagesyeessss.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4| This feels right for some reason, [[Megatron (BW)|Yesss.]]]]
Seeking to bring all lifeforms in the universe under his command, Megatron set up a facility to study human and Cybertronian minds; his end goal being to decrypt the living mind under the supervision of [[Doctor Mindbender]] and [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]]. {{storylink|Headmasters (issue)|Headmasters}} He made enough progress to override motor functions and watched as Autobot and Joe were pitted against each other in the Polyhex Killway arena. To his mild interest the Autobot [[Galen]] turned out to be a human in armour. Meanwhile, Cybertron had infected [[Saturn]] and [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] with cyberforming, and was beginning to do the same to the moon as he desired. {{storylink|Expelled from the Garden}} When he found Cobra Commander's son Billy, missing an arm and a leg, he grafted cybernetic limbs to him, turning him into a weapon (a great honour in Megatron's view). {{storylink|FCBD Funnies}}

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When Optimus Prime returned to Cybertron, Megatron, feeling nostalgic, engaged him in one-to-one combat. Optimus got the upper hand and cleaved open Megatron's chest, revealing the corrupted Matrix. Realizing that this was the most devastating blow the fight could offer, Megatron abandoned the duel and ordered his troops to overrun the Autobots. Megatron admitted to Optimus that while he liked nostalgia, he was concerned with bigger things. Cybertron had finally reached Earth and the horn-like mega-mountains slammed into it, destroying the organic world. Megatron then shot Optimus through the [[spark]] at point-blank range with his [[fusion cannon]], sending his foe down a pit while the Autobots and Joes watched in horror. {{storylink|Pax Megatronus}} Megatron celebrated Earth's destruction with his Cobra disciples, consuming Earth [[Skidmark (G.I. Joe)|food]] in honour of the day the planet died. After dinner he took Trypticon upon one of the mega-mountains and used the Matrix to sprout "petals" to clear away the cloud of dust and debris created by the destruction of Earth. {{storylink|Earth: R.I.P.}} When the cloud had cleared, Megatron ordered Primus to transform to robot mode, intending for him to consume the [[Sun]] and supercharge his creation abilities {{storylink|Escape from Primus}}

Before Primus could consume the star, Megatron was assaulted by the sparks of the former [[Prime (rank)|Primes]], who mocked his background and ambition, but he refused to break. The Decepticon leader demanded Optimus show himself, only for Grimlock to appear and take control of his head, which Megatron was wearing. Megatron saw fit to quickly rid himself of the trophy. Gathering all his Decepticon and Cobra minions within Trypticon's forcefield, he directed Primus to begin consuming the Sun. The Autobot/Joe alliance was able to disable the saurian's forcefield and envelop Megatron's forces in [[G.I.Rocket|green bombs]]. [[Cobra Commander]] and his cabal then arrived with the human offering to rid Megatron of the plants if he gave him Mars to rule. Megatron agreed to spare Mars and [[Doctor Venom]] broadcasted the kill signal, which prompted the Decepticon to declare his invincibility. {{storylink|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 12|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #12}}

In the ensuing battle, Megatron combined the energies of his black hole with the Matrix of Leadership, absorbing all of the Autobots, becoming a monstrous new form he dubbed "Mega-Megatron." Unwilling to hurt their allies, the Joes retreated, but Mega-Megatron's career was short-lived; the ''Nemesis''—commandeered by Shipwreck and Polly—ploughed into the combiner, freeing their friends. Then the legendary Ultra Magnus crashed through Primus's eye, challenging Megatron to a duel. Eager to do away with the old gods of Cybertron, Megatron accepted, and the two combatants battled on the Dyson sphere that had grown around the Earth's Sun. Magnus managed to snatch the Matrix away from the Decepticon conqueror, intent on returning it to its rightful owner—Optimus Prime! Optimus Prime sprang out of Ultra Magnus's body, punching Megatron off of the nearest ledge and sending the Decepticon warlord hurtling into the core of the Sun.

[[File:Pony Megatron Taste Test.jpg|thumb|left|upright=2.2|There were no survivors.]]
Trapped in the Sun, Megatron attempted to escape his predicament by using his black hole as a dimensional gateway. The gambit was only partially successful—although Megatron died before he could escape, his body was indeed shunted to another universe. In this distant reality, a group of [[My Little Pony|diminutive horses]] investigated the smoldering remains of the once-mighty conqueror.

Eventually, however, Megatron would be reborn as Galvatron. {{storylink|The War Never Ends}}
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===''Angry Birds'' comic===
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Megatron led an attack on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] in an attempt to capture the [[AllSpark]] from the Autobots. His attack plan fell apart when Starscream broke rank, leading to Megatron's troopsbeing repelled from the ship. After Optimus delivered a mean right-hook right into the Decepticon leader's jaw, Megatron was sent tumbling after his minions by a blast of water, courtesy of [[Heatwave (G1)|Heatwave]]. {{storylink|Angry Birds Transformers issue 1|Angry Birds Transformers #1}}
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===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' continuity===
====''Prime Wars Trilogy'' marketing material====
[[File:POTP vote Megatron.jpeg|thumb|left|upright=0.5]]
{{quote|The old ways must fall, and only I have the power to strike the final blow.}}
Megatron was once honored across [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. However, the mighty hero was corrupted by power, and thus he became a tyrant who launched a war of conquest which drained Cybertron of life. Not even that could satisfy his taste for conquest. {{storylink|Megatron (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|''Combiner Wars'' Megatron toy bio}}

[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]'s preference for playing pranks over battle frustrated Megatron. {{storylink|Skywarp (G1)/toys#CWLeader|''Combiner Wars'' Leader Class Skywarp toy bio}}

Megatron was a potential bearer of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. As a force for order, Megatron, tired of the war, planned to tear down the old system and set up a new, united Cybertron... under his rule, of course. Instead, the Matrix went to [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]. {{storylink|Fan polls#2017|''Power of the Primes'' fan poll}}
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====''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons====
{{voiceactor|[[Jason Marnocha]] (English)}}
Before he was leader of the Decepticons, Megatron fought as a gladiator, deriving his name from that of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]]. {{storylink|All Things Must Pass}} During the Great War, Megatron killed Optimus Prime and was transformed into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] by the power of Unicron, though both of these were later reversed. {{storylink|The Fight Begins}} {{storylink|Countdown (POTP)|Countdown}} Starscream constantly schemed to claim leadership from Megatron, though he never succeeded. {{storylink|Prelude to Transformers: Combiner Wars - Starscream}} Coming to the dire realization that the war against the Decepticons had become a never-ending arms race, Optimus Prime challenged Megatron to single-combat, with their troops acting as witnesses to their terrible and final clash. The battle between both faction leaders ended with Megatron beaten down and goading Optimus into delivering the kill shot. {{storylink|Prelude to Transformers: Combiner Wars - Optimus Prime}} Prime refused to kill him, however, and following the Great War's conclusion, Megatron was abandoned by his troops and ended up isolating himself, preferring to be left alone.

[[File:Unforgotten Windblade Optimus Prime Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Hi, I'm Megatron, and you don't know it yet, but I'm your reason to keep watching.]]
Decades later, as he challenged the Constructicons to a gladiatorial battle in an old Coliseum, he was approached by Optimus and [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]]. Megatron immediately attacked Optimus, eager to continue their longstanding battle, but Optimus and Windblade eventually convinced him of the threat that Starscream and the [[Enigma of Combination]] posed. Driven by his hatred of Starscream, Megatron agreed to join them in their quest to destroy the Enigma. {{storylink|Unforgotten}} The three attempted to sneak into the [[Council of Worlds|council]] tower, but were spotted. Refusing to believe Starscream had no larger scheme up his sleeve, Megatron fired on him, triggering the tower's defenses. {{storylink|Homecoming (CW)|Homecoming}} When [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] appeared, he attempted to make him stand down, but the Combiner refused. He and the others engaged Devastator, but were interrupted by Starscream's use of the Enigma to become a super-Combiner, which Megatron realized was his plan all along. {{storylink|A War of Giants}} He and the others proved no match for the rampaging Starscream and were thrown from the tower, believing they stood no chance. {{storylink|Darkest Hour (CW)|Darkest Hour}} When Windblade suddenly called upon [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] to hold Starscream in place, Megatron and Optimus teamed up to deliver a fatal blow from Megatron's rifle mode, destroying Starscream. As the dust settled, Megatron recovered the Enigma and handed it to Windblade before departing once more. {{storylink|Destruction's Dawn}}

[[File:TF-TR-Cartoon-Ep3-Optimus-Megatron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|How's the Pie?]]
As the people of Cybertron rebuilt after the [[Combiner Wars (event)|Combiner Wars]], Megatron silently watched Optimus from a distance. {{storylink|Aftermath and Rebirth}} When the resurrected Trypticon began attacking Metroplex City, Megatron made his way to the battlefield, where he ran into Optimus. Sure that things would work themselves out like always, he initially dismissed Optimus's claims that the battle heralded the return of the [[Thirteen]] and Cybertron's doomsday as lunacy and walked off. {{storylink|The Fight Begins}} However, Prime's words stuck with him, and he later found his way to the [[Primal Basilica]] to speak with the [[Mistress of Flame]] about it, but arrived to find her badly beaten. The Mistress of Flame was only able to reveal [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]] as her attacker before finally succumbing to her wounds. {{storylink|At the Last Second}} With [[Victorion]] being the next best source of religious information, he next traveled to [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] to find her, but was accused of murdering the Mistress and attacked by the Combiners. Thanks to Windblade's intervention, Megatron finally explained what happened and asked Victorion if recent events were a sign of the end times. Victorion told him to seek answers from the one he worshipped, and he departed yet again. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}}

Megatron later turned up back in Metroplex City to watch Trypticon fight Fortress Maximus. After some persuasion from Optimus and Windblade, Megatron finally agreed to help them fight, though he insisted that Windblade now owed him and that he was only doing so to find out who was really behind recent events. {{storylink|Consumed}} Ultimately, Trypticon was defeated by the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership]], but this was immediately followed by the return of Megatronus, the mastermind behind everything. Megatron launched into a speech condemning Megatronus in an attempt to stall for time so Optimus and Maximus could attack, but this proved fruitless and Optimus was killed before Megatronus departed with the Matrix and the Enigma of Combination. In the aftermath, despite everyone else's distrust of him, Megatron asserted that they would need to work together and asked the others to follow him, as he believed he knew where Megatronus was going. {{storylink|All Things Must Pass}}

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[[File:POTP-Cartoon-Ep4-PrimalVsMegatron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Primal turns to violence after Megatron says "piss" just ''one'' too many times.]]

Splitting their group up, Megatron led Windblade, [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and Victorion to [[Primal Swamp]]. Having read the [[Book of the Second Prophecies]], Megatron was certain they would find the missing [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]] there, though his companions were skeptical. The group found themselves surrounded by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who were convinced Megatron was behind the recent threat of the apocalypse. Despite Megatron's claims to the contrary, [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] attacked and sent him hurtling away. {{storylink|The Swamp}} Getting back on his feet, Megatron noticed something shining within the reeds and decided to investigate. {{storylink|Volcanicus (episode)|Volcanicus}} He found a glowing dome and touched it, causing a door to appear. As the others arrived, he told them to wait for him and entered the dome, the door closing behind him. {{storylink|Without Warning}} Inside, he found the Requiem Blaster guarded by [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]. The two battled over the Blaster, but when Megatron swore to give his life to save Cybertron, Primal recognized his resolve and relented. Megatron grabbed the gun and emerged from the dome, using it to force an enraged Predaking to stand down. {{storylink|Primal (POTP)|Primal}}

[[File:POTP-Ep6-Countdown-Megatron-alt-mode.jpg|thumb|275px|Attank on Titan(s Return).]]
Following coordinates obtained from the dome, he led the group to [[Cataclysm Tundra]], where they unearthed the entrance to the [[Athenaeum Sanctorum]]. Pulling up a file on the Requiem Blaster, his search for information was interrupted as a vengeful Overlord pinned him to the ground, eager to destroy the one being who had ever bested him. {{storylink|Athenaeum Sanctorum (episode)|Athenaeum Sanctorum}} With help from Perceptor, Megatron escaped Overlord's clutches and went toe-to-toe and tank-to-tank with his foe, fighting both him and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Cron]]. Ultimately, Megatron was weakened by the battle, but before Overlord could finish him, [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] tossed him the Requiem Blaster and he fired at his opponent, killing him. {{storylink|Countdown (POTP)|Countdown}} Discussing with Perceptor, he finally realized Megatronus's plan, as well as his goals, just as the former Prime appeared to knock him out and take the Blaster for himself. With their time of reckoning imminent, Megatron suggested they hurry to the [[Well of All Sparks|Well of Sparks]] to stop Megatronus. Though he was unsure about leading the others on a suicide mission, they finally convinced him, and he mused about what Optimus would think as they pressed on. {{storylink|Consequences}}

[[File:POTP-Ep10-Saga's-End-Megatron-dies.jpg|thumb|300px|left|This feels [[Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future|familiar]]..]]
Despite nearly having their sparks drained while traversing the [[Labyrinth of Tunnels]], he and the others reached the Well in time to interrupt the resurrection process. Giving the others orders, he watched as Solus Prime began to return, explaining the circumstances to her and reaffirming his decision to save everyone. When Megatronus incapacitated the others and prepared to finish them, Megatron moved into his way, refusing to stand down. However, their battle was interrupted by the arrival of Rodimus Cron, now under Unicron's control. {{storylink|Collision Course}} Knowing he wasn't strong enough to take them both on, Megatron stayed to the side during their battle. He waited until they were distracted before attacking the doomsday device at Solus's behest, but was knocked aside by Megatronus. He later watched as Primal was transformed into Optimal Optimus by the Matrix. {{storylink|Megatronus Unleashed}} Having secretly contacted Predaking, he and the others were saved by the Combiner in the nick of time. He attempted to blast Solus with the Requiem Blaster, but Megatronus intervened, only for Solus to kill him herself. Their victory was short-lived, however, as Unicron attempted to use the [[Matrix of Conquest|Matrix of Chaos]] to take control of Megatron and transform him back into Galvatron. Refusing to be controlled by anyone, Megatron decided to sacrifice himself for the good of the planet and his team. Optimal obliged and fired the Requiem Blaster at Megatron and the Matrix, leaving behind no trace of either one. {{storylink|Saga's End}}
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===Metal Earth online bios===
Megatron was the founder of the Decepticon uprising. Even after his near total destruction by the [[AllSpark]], his persevering nature allowed him to return. {{storylink|Megatron (G1)/merchandise#Metal_Earth|''Metal Earth'' Megatron}} <ref>[https://www.metalearth.com/megatron Megatron online bio on Metal Earth website]: "[Megatron i]s the founder of the Decepticon uprising, and their most well-known and feared leader. Megatron has lost battles, but he has never been truly defeated. Even after his near total destruction by the AllSpark, he returned".
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===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
After [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|the Predacon Megatron]] was able to kill [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and erase the [[Maximal]]s from history, [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], in desperation, attacked the unconscious original Megatron with her [[Cyber venom|cyber-venom]]. Whatever effect this had, it was enough to erase the Predacon Megatron from the timeline. {{storylink|A Change to the Agenda}}

At some point in time, Megatron was remade into Galvatron through the power of Unicron. Following Galvatron's death, his remains were used to create the [[G-Virus]], which would replicate the reformatting Megatron had underwent in anyone infected by it. {{storylink|Micro-Aggressions}}

Countless eons after the Great War had ended, all that was left of Megatron otherwise was his [[Energon mace]], on display in the [[Eject (G1)|Administrator]]'s office. {{storylink|Broken Windshields}} His memory lived on, however, as the legendary leader of the Decepticons and distant ancestor of the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s. {{storylink|Identity Politics}} [[Ser-Ket (BWU)|Ser-Ket]], for example, claimed to be part of a warrior lineage that stretched back to Megatron and others. {{storylink|Head Games}}

===''Q-Transformers'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Keiji Fujiwara]] (Japanese)}}
{{Charstubfiction|{{storylink|Mystery of Return of Convoy}} {{storylink|The Road to More Popularity than Autobots}}}}

===ATB Megatron===
[[File:ATB Megatron art.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0]]
In [[Primax 096.0 Beta]], Megatron upgraded himself with flight capability and the ability to combine with [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] during the latter days of the [[Great War (G1)|third Cybertronian war]]. In response, [[Optimus Prime (G1)#General Optimus|General Optimus Prime]] upgraded himself with heavier armor and weaponry. {{storylink|Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Timelines|General Optimus Prime profile card}} During the obligatory Battle for [[Sherman Dam]], Megatron in his ATB form battled Optimus Prime, but the Autobots ultimately won the day thanks to the arrival of the Dinobots. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 6, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 06/09/2015}} At the war's final battle on [[Mirtonia]], the Autobots emerged victorious in routing Megatron's [[Decepticon Empire|Decepticon Star Empire]] when Decepticons accidentally blew up an experimental energon refinery and themselves along with it. {{storylink|Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Timelines|General Optimus Prime profile card}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
One Megatron transformed into a shoe. His plot to stamp on the face of liberty forever was foiled with the help of [[Vector Prime]]. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#June 14, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 14/06/2015}}

In [[Primax 092.0 Beta]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#The Battlestars manga and story pages|Star Convoy]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)#Fire Rodimus|Fire Rodimus]] formed Supernova Convoy to defeat [[Dark Nova|Star Giant]] and Ultra Megatron. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#August 15, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 15/08/2015}} Some time later, Megatron returned, empowered by [[Nucleon (substance)|nucleon]] but was defeated by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 16, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 16/07/2015}}

Another Megatron from a universe destroyed by [[Unicron]] was reformatted into Unicron's [[Herald of Unicron|Herald]] [[Galvatron (G1)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Galvatron]].

Yet another Megatron, unhappy with the prospect of his universe being destroyed, killed the aforementioned Galvatron's fellow Herald [[Cyclonus (G1)#Ask Vector Prime|Cyclonus]] by ripping Cyclonus's head off. His universe, however, was ultimately consumed by Unicron as well. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 19, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 19/09/2015}}
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===''Of Masters and Mayhem''===
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In one universe, Megatron and his Decepticons fought against the Autobots until they unleashed their ultimate weapon: the combiner [[Thunder Mayhem]]. Unfortunately, the monstrous gestalt turned on its masters, and ultimately brought about the destruction of Cybertron. Megatron managed to survive the planet's reckoning, and escaped to Earth to hide. His ship's star drive was damaged along the way however, leaving him stranded on the organic world. Though the planet initially only had non-sentient fauna on it, entire cities spontaneously materialized on it at some point, soon followed by humans to populate them. [[File:OMAM3 MegatronRobotMode.jpg|thumb|150px]] Realizing that all of this activity would bring attention to the planet, Megatron took on a [[Pretender]] disguise to hide among the humans, eager to plunder whatever materials he needed to repair his ship and be on his way. Then, a mysterious signal drew him to a specific group of humans. {{storylink|History}} After witnessing [[Vroom (G1)|two of]] [[Crossblades (G1)|their members]] use super-human strength to rescue a man and his daughter from a car wreck, Megatron quickly came to the conclusion that they were also robots in disguise. {{storylink|Assembly (OMAM)|Assembly}}

Seeing [[Metalhawk (G1)|Metalhawk]] getting shot, only for Energon to spill out instead of blood, only served to further prove what Megatron already knew. Megatron confronted the group as they exited a police station, and announced that he was aware that some of their numbers were Cybertronians. A futile attempt to deny the accusation was brushed aside, and Megatron warned the group that a great enemy would be upon them soon. {{storylink|Insight}}

He then had the group follow him by telling them of his space ship, stashed away nearby. As they came upon it, Megatron discarded his human form to reveal his full-sized Pretender shell. He then attacked [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] and [[Lisa|Elizabeth]] to goad the Autobots into abandoning their disguises as well. It worked, and Megatron was soon battling Metalhawk, Vroom, and Crossblades while explaining his recent history to them. At Metalhawk's insistence, Megatron then revealed his inner-robot, allowing his opponents to know exactly who they were dealing with. {{storylink|History}} Though trying to get the Autobots to trust him, Thunder Mayhem soon arrived. {{storylink|Divination}} As Megatron watched, Optimus Prime soon revealed himself, having also survived Cybertron's doom, and began fighting the giant. Though Megatron pondered interfering, he was stabbed in the back by [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] only to be saved by [[Toxitron (G1)|Toxitron]]. {{storylink|Pandora's Gift}} Wipping out his Mini-Con servant, [[Spacewarp]], Megatron duelled Ramjet until Thunder Mayhem was felled. While the heroes patted themselves on the back, Megatron donned his disguise once again and headed off into the sunset, content to fight another day. {{storylink|Finale (OMAM)|Finale}}
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===''Age of Time''===
[[File:Prime1StudioSuperiorMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
Megatron and his Decepticons attacked Ark on its course to Earth. This resulted in both Ark and Nemesis getting sucked into a wormhole that led them to an [[Live-action film series|alternate dimension]] where Megatron and the other Transformers were somehow amalgamated with their [[Megatron (Movie)#Age of Time|native counterparts]] to form a superior version of themselves.
<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/TFsource/posts/10154472033061711 Images of Prime 1 Studio "Superior Megatron"] from TFSource on Facebook</ref>
<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1395741837139121.1073741971.371066602939988 TRANSFORMERS: AGE OF TIME - SUPERIOR OPTIMUS PRIME] by [[Prime 1 Studio]] on Facebook: "The story began when the Ark carrying G1 Optimus Prime and his fellow Autobots was attacked on their route to Earth from Cybertron by Megatron and his evil Decepticons. Both spaceships were sucked into a wormhole and ended up in an alternate dimension. This dimension is the cinematic Transformers universe. Different yet the same, both transformers from the different dimension amalgamated and formed the Superior version of their old self. Hence the New Generation Transformers was formed. To be continued..."</ref> {{storylink|Megatron (G1)/merchandise#Prime 1 Studio|Transformers: Age of Time statue bios}}
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===''Aw Yeah Revolution!''===
[[File:Aw Yeah Revolution! Autobots vs Decepticons.jpg|thumb|left|300px]]

Megatron and Soundwave were duking it out against the Autobots before an earthquake made the battleground unstable, forcing both sides to retreat. {{storylink|Aw Yeah Revolution! issue 1|Aw Yeah Revolution! #1}}
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===''My Busy Books''===
Megatron was once honored across Cybertron for being a fearless warrior until he was corrupted by power. Now, he wants to conquer everything but fortunately, the Autobots are here to protect the Earth from him and his evil Decepticons. {{storylink|Transformers: My Busy Book}}

===''Bumblebee'' graphic novels===
Megatron kicked [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] out of the Decepticons. {{storylink|Transformers: Bumblebee - Win If You Dare|Win If You Dare}}

===''Star Trek vs. Transformers''===
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After the Autobots and Decepticons had warred on [[Earth]] for decades, the planet fell victim to [[World War III]], forcing all Cybertronians to abandon the blighted globe. Megatron led his troops back into space aboard [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], having the [[Titan (group)|Titan]] follow the Autobots aboard [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. After decades in space, the Autobots found [[energon]] on [[Cygnus Seven]] prompting the Decepticons to strike. Though the Decepticons overpowered their foes, history repeated itself and the Autobot ship fell down onto the planet, the impact sending all aboard into [[stasis lock]]. When the [[Federation]] moved onto Cygnus Seven in the 23rd century, their survey team inadvertently reactivated Fortress Maximus's autonomic systems, the Titan's repair beam striking Megatron so could investigate. Reactivated, Megatron revived his troops and was quick to order an attack on the surface. {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part Two}}

With Federation firepower proving no match for the Decepticons, the [[USS Enterprise|USS ''Enterprise'']] was called in. As the Seekers harassed the ship's away team, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] emerged from the mine shaft only for [[James T. Kirk|Captain Kirk]] to knock him into stasis. The Decepticons quickly surrounded the organics whereupon Megatron ordered their execution only for [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s weapon to restore communications to the human ship allowing for a [[photon torpedo]] barrage. Deciding to withdraw until they had more information, Megatron led his troops to a nearby moon where they found Trypticon being occupied by [[Klingon]]s. {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part One}}

[[File:PrimesDirectivePart2-Decepticons.jpg|thumb|left|300px]]

Though initially intrigued by the human-hating [[alien]]s, Megatron soon came to doubt their usefulness as allies until [[Kuri]] revealed their cloaking technology. After having Trypticon scan the downed [[Warbird (Star Trek)|warbird]] and cripple the ''Enterprise'', Megatron led the charge back to the mining colony. {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part Two}} Once Trypticon had revealed his robot mode, Megatron teleported onto the battlefield with the intent to slay Optimus Prime. Before he could finish his foe, Fortress Maximus entered the battle. {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part Three}}

[[File:PrimesDirectivePart5-Megatroncaptured.jpg|thumb|right|300px|I came here with a simple dream: a dream of killing all humans. And this is how it must end? Who's the ''real'' 7-billion-ton robot monster here? Not I...]]

Caught off-guard by the Autobot Titan, Megatron called for air support only for Starscream to vanish. His second soon reappeared, streaking away to conquest with a cache of [[dilithium]]. Realizing what had happened, Megatron tried to execute the Klingons (who were eager to die) only for the Autobots to swarm him. When Trypticon was sent tumbling, Megatron ordered the Decepticons after Starscream, swearing to return and crush the [[Federation]]. As Trypticon warped after Starscream, Megatron revealed to Soundwave that he was finally going to execute Starscream for all his betrayals. {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part Four}}

Arriving at the Klingon homeworld of [[Kronos]], Megatron crashed into the chamber of the [[Klingon High Council]] and promptly executed Starscream before ordering his forces to raze Kronos before the Autobots and [[Starfleet]] arrived. Even with Optimus's wounds healed, Megatron still managed to best his opposite, having Soundwave unleash the audio disruptor waves. Megatron's conquest were not to be however, for the frequency Soundwave used had no effect on Klingon biology allowing them to summon a fleet of warbirds that defeated the Decepticons. By the terms of Kirk's peace with the Klingons, Megatron was left as a prisoner of the Klingons, glaring hatefully at the beasts who'd restrained him. {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part Five}}
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===''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' continuity===
====''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' marketing material====
[[File:Earthrise-Megatron-art.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|"Why did they change my motto?!"]]
{{bigquote|Victory through strength.}}

Before the war for Cybertron, Megatron partook in the [[Gladiatorial combat|gladiatorial events]] at [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]], which led to his rise to power and began the Decepticon revolution. {{storylink|Source:Teletraan-1 Data Files|''Siege'' Teletraan-1 Data Files}} Aiding in Megatron's take over, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] designed both Megatron's "D50-R35 Fusion Cannon" and "HPR Telescopic Laserstrike Launcher". Both of these weapons could combine and modlock into the "NFM Particle Beam Megalauncher" using the [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]]. {{storylink|Source:Teletraan-1 Data Files#Weapons database|Decepticon weapons database on Hasbro Pulse}}<ref>[https://hasbropulse.com/blogs/unboxed/transformers-wfc-siege-megatron-combat-weapons-guide "''Siege'' Megatron C.O.M.B.A.T. Weapons Guide" on Hasbro Pulse]</ref> During the war, Megatron was a [[Cybertronian military insignia|Ground Force Infantry General]] and the Decepticon leader. {{storylink|War for Cybertron: Siege|''Siege'' webpage}}<ref>[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/siege ''Siege'' website]</ref> During the final days of the war for Cybertron, Megatron's last known location was Kaon, the now-impenetrable metropolis that served as his main base of operations. {{storylink|Source:Teletraan-1 Data Files|''Siege'' Teletraan-1 Data Files}}

With Cybertron's fate sealed and the Autobots gone, the Decepticons followed them closely through space aboard the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' in pursuit of the [[AllSpark]]. During this period, Megatron's primary objective was conquest and his primary weapon was his Fusion Cannon. {{storylink|War for Cybertron: Earthrise|''Earthrise'' webpage}}<ref>[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/earthrise ''Earthrise'' webpage]</ref> In the midst of their mission, Megatron discovered that ''Nemesis'' crewmember Counterpunch was actually an Autobot double agent named [[Punch (G1)|Punch]]. Once his identity was discovered, Punch escaped the ''Nemesis'' in an escape pod and made his way to the nearby Disaster Planet, [[Master (planet)|Dominus]]. Megatron, in retaliation, sent [[Barricade (IDW)|Barricade]] to hunt him down. {{Storylink|War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Dominus Criminal Pursuit marketing material}}<ref>[https://www.amazon.com/Transformers-F1144-Trans-Fall-3/dp/B0855748HF Dominus Criminal Pursuit on Amazon]</ref>

Closer than ever to reaching the Allspark, the Decepticons awakened after crash-landing on pre-[[Ice Age]] [[Earth]]. While battling the Autobots, both sides were joined by the [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s, their epic battle changing their combined destinies. With these beast-mode Transformers from the future intending of changing the fate of Cybertron, Optimus Prime and Megatron must fight their greatest battle as they come to face the consequences of their war.

During this period, Megatron [[trans-scan]]ned an Earth tank, with the Fusion cannon and his gladiatorial strength as his power and weapons. His core traits were his determination, desperation, and hunger for power, and Megatron's message from the future was that the key to the future is in his hands. As the ''Voyager'' Golden Disk foretold, [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] was Megatron's future evolution. {{storylink|War for Cybertron: Kingdom|''Kingdom'' webpage}}<ref>[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/kingdom ''Kingdom'' webpage]</ref>

Megatron was one of a few 'bots with three possible destinies recorded on the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|''Voyager'' Golden Disk]]. {{storylink|Source:Golden Disk destinies|''Kingdom'' Golden Disk cards}}
*In one destiny, Megatron returned to the gladiator fighting pits.
*In another destiny, he became Galvatron and wore the [[Matrix of Leadership]] chained around his neck.

In other possible destinies recorded on the ''Voyager'' Golden Disk, Megatron was captured by the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Ark]]. {{storylink|Source:Golden Disk destinies|''Kingdom'' Golden Disk cards}}

{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Source:Teletraan-1 Data Files#Autobots vs. Decepticons stop motion|Autobots vs. Decepticons stop motion}}}}
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====''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Jason Marnocha]] (English), [[Hōchū Ōtsuka]] (Japanese)|[[Guilherme Lopes]] (Portuguese), [[Eilias Changuel]] (French), [[Sascha Rotermund]] (German), [[Dario Oppido]] (Italian), [[José Escobosa]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Gerardo Vásquez]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Parminder Ghumman]] (Hindi)}}
[[File:WarForCybertronSiege Ep1.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Missed me?]]

Megatron was once a miner who toiled under the corrupt regime of the Quintessons, {{storylink|Earthrise episode 4}} toiling away in the mines along with other downtrodden 'bots like [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] {{storylink|Siege episode 3}} and fighting for the amusement of his masters. {{storylink|Earthrise episode 4}} Megatron joined [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] in taking a stand against the government, {{storylink|Siege episode 3}} and befriended Trion's students becoming close with [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and viewed [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] as a brother. Megatron and Ultra Magnus fought together in the battle of [[Tarn-Hauser Gate]], where the two worked together rather effectively to achieve victory. {{storylink|Siege episode 2}} Megatron eventually decided that Alpha Trion was not doing enough, and killed him, forming the Decepticons so he could free Cybertron his own way. Megatron came up against the Autobots, led by Optimus and Magnus, and civil war began between the two sides. {{storylink|Siege episode 3}}

Years into the war, Megatron's forces had nearly routed the Autobots and pushed them to the brink. The Decepticon leader himself took to the front lines during an altercation with the Autobot [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and the neutral scout [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]; taking a moment to mock [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s latest failure, Megatron unsuccessfully tried to appeal to Wheeljack's sense of reason, chastised Bumblebee for not choosing a side, and eventually prepared to execute them—only for Optimus to intervene and escape after [[Elita One (G1)|Elita-1]] launched an ambush that stopped Megatron from delivering the final blow. Later, Megatron made a speech to the Decepticons regarding recent events that claimed that the battle was the result of a failed assassination attempt, before Ultra Magnus arrived to discuss a possible peace conference. {{storylink|Siege episode 1}} The Decepticon leader hoped that Magnus had come to discuss an unconditional surrender, but when Magnus told him that he would agree to no such thing, Megatron had Magnus imprisoned. Later, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] discussed the possibility of the [[AllSpark]]'s existence and the idea of using the mythical artifact to forcibly reprogram the Autobots into Decepticons, although Megatron remained hesitant to commit to the idea. Later, after a failed ambush resulted in the apparent death of Impactor, Megatron held [[Barricade (IDW)|Barricade]] responsible for the bungled operation. His patience waning, Megatron returned to Magnus's cell to demand the location of Autobot headquarters, and although Magnus pleaded for Megatron to end the war honorably, Megatron gave Shockwave the go-ahead to find the AllSpark. {{storylink|Siege episode 2}}

Megatron broadcasted another transmission to his loyal Decepticons and announced Impactor's apparent death while urging any Autobots to turn themselves in, before intervening in a squabble between [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. In-between coordinating the search for the AllSpark, Megatron oversaw Magnus's interrogation and authorized Shockwave to use whatever methods deemed necessary to retrieve the location of the Autobot base. When Magnus attempted to escape and pointed a gun at Megatron's back, the Decepticon leader showed little unconcern, aware that the Autobot would adhere to his code of honor, and when Magnus didn't take the shot Jetfire subdued Magnus and returned him to Decepticon custody, where another round of agonizing torture seemingly broke Magnus. {{storylink|Siege episode 3}} A shackled Magnus led Megatron and the other Decepticons to the old Tarn-Hauser Gate, which he claimed housed the Autobot base, but when Megatron investigated he found that his prisoner had deceived him and executed him on the spot. Disillusioned by this show of brutality, Jetfire finally broke with the Decepticon ranks and flew off; in response, Megatron ordered his [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s to kill the traitor. When Starscream reported that Jetfire was dead, Megatron promoted him to Air Commander as a reward. {{storylink|Siege episode 4}}

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Magnus's death had triggered the remote transmission of the [[Alpha Trion Protocols]] the Autobot had carried for so long, and in response Shockwave engineered a computer virus that would travel through Cybertron's infrastructure to wipe the processors of everyone who had carried it. Despite Soundwave's warnings that the virus would take its toll on the planet, an undaunted Megatron ordered him to proceed. Thanks to the virus, the Decepticons finally discovered the location of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', and Megatron announced his intent to personally lead the final assault. {{storylink|Siege episode 5}} In the final battle, Megatron attempted to stop Optimus Prime from throwing the AllSpark through the spacebridge by destroying, warning his nemesis that removing the artifact from Cybertron would kill the planet. Indeed, Megatron nearly seized the AllSpark, only for a shot from Bumblebee to stun him momentarily and drop it. Optimus was able to put the artifact beyond Megatron's reach, and the subsequent arrival of [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] prevented the Decepticons from destroying the starship as it rocketed through the space bridge portal. {{storylink|Siege episode 6}}

[[File:Earthrise5MegatronPowerup.jpg|thumb|250px|left|NOW I HAVE TOTAL POWERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR]]
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{{charfictionstub|''Earthrise'', ''Kingdom''}}

=== 2019 IDW continuity ===
{{first|[[The World In Your Eyes Part One|''Transformers'' #1]]}}
[[File:TheChangeInYourNaturePartThree-gladiators.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Lugging a nut.]]

Born during the great Age of [[Expansion]], the heyday of the Cybertronian race, {{storylink|The Change In Your Nature Part Three}} Megatron chose to become a miner, {{storylink|The Change In Your Nature Part Three}} inspired by the rhetoric of his assigned [[mentor]] [[Termagax]]. {{storylink|Constructicons Rising, Part 1}} In this prosperous era, Megatron worked to fuel the expansion of the Cybertronian hegemony and became a renowned gladiatorial fighter in his spare time. {{storylink|The Change In Your Nature Part Three}} During the [[War of the Threefold Spark]], Megatron served under [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|Storm Horizon Part 1}} In the battle that leveled [[Yuss]], Megatron was almost killed by Exarchon himself, only to be rescued at the last moment by [[Strika (BM)|Strika]]'s Heavies. The encounter had a profound effect on the young Megatron, who came to believe that it was not Exarchon's deeds or technology that defined his fearsome reputation, but his will, demented as it was. {{storylink|The Change In Your Nature Part Three}}

In the aftermath of the War of the Threefold Spark, Megatron aided in the restoration efforts with his friend [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Orion Pax]]. Although Megatron believed that they could rebuild the planet to be better than ever, hoping to resume his life as a gladiator the passing of the [[Nominus Edict]] greatly limited the power and potential of the Cybertronian race, including shutting down mines, starship yards, and even the gladiatorial arenas which Megatron held dear. {{storylink|The Change In Your Nature Part Three}} In time, a counter-faction known as the [[Decepticon|Ascenticon]]s sprang up, led by Megatron's old mentor Termagax; however, Termagax was unable to affect the change she so desired in Cybertronian society, and, defeated, eventually retreated from civilization entirely. {{storylink|The Change In Your Nature Part Three}}

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Having recently worked to complete Termagax's [[Winged Moon]] over [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], Megatron met with his old friend Pax on the night before the official opening of the structure to tell him that he would run for Senator of the Ascenticons, believing that his will would allow him to reshape the loose movement into a genuine threat to Senate leader [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] and his ruling [[Autobot]] party. To try and convince Orion to his side, Megatron took his friend up to the elevator, launching them into orbit as an object lesson: perfect equilibrium, the kind promised by the Nominus Edict, was a lie, and the only real way for Cybertron to maintain balance would be to change with the times. Pax was unmoved by their plummet into the [[Lechate Lagoons]], and Megatron snapped that Pax could do as he pleased out in space—''he'' would stay on Cybertron and reshape it. {{storylink|Orion Pax: Free Fall}}

Achieving his goal, Megatron came to have a seat on the inner Senate but still controlled less than a quarter of the body. {{storylink|The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Two}} Megatron smuggled the exiled [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] back to Cybertron and put him in command of [[The Rise]], an extremist splinter faction of the Ascenticons who made their message heard through violence and vandalism. By selectively unleashing the forces of The Rise to inflame preexisting tensions, Megatron used their existence as a way to legitimize his movement, {{storylink|The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Four}} publicly denbouncing the actions of The Rise in order to distance the public face of the Ascenticons from the crimes of The Rise. {{storylink|The World In Your Eyes Part Four}}

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In the meantime, Megatron began to slowly ramp up his rhetoric, his speeches and broadcasts growing increasingly inflammatory, his rallies leaving more and more bystanders and security forces wounded from riots and civil unrest. After the latest such rally left a dozen 'bots injured, Orion Pax unsuccessfully tried to get Megatron to see sense and cancel his latest speech in [[Tarn (polity)|Tarn]]. {{storylink|The World In Your Eyes Part One}}

At the rally, Megatron staged a false assassination attempt on his life, {{storylink|The World In Your Eyes Part Two}} which he used to announce his own private security force, the [[Ascenticon Guard]]. {{storylink|The World In Your Eyes Part Three}} Megatron was later in attendance at [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]]'s funeral, nearly throttling [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] for an insulting comment before reminding the security officer of his place ''and'' that he'd already publicly denounced the Rise. {{storylink|The World In Your Eyes Part Four}} Sometime afterwards, Megatron gave another speech criticizing the Nominus Edict. {{storylink|The World In Your Eyes Part Five}}

After the newborn [[Rubble]] had been murdered, Megatron visited Termagax to see if she would ever be coming out of exile. When his mentor confirmed that she wouldn't be, a pleased Megatron informed Soundwave that she wouldn't be interfering with their upcoming plans. {{storylink|The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Two}} When [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] had joined the Ascenticon Guard, Megatron, in a truly petty political move against [[Security Operations]], had the minibot publicly accompany him to the Senate meeting, though offering his condolences for Rubble's passing. To Megatron's ire, the Senate meeting brought no progress or change, causing the Ascenticon leader to angrily storm out. As he exited the building, his presence sparked a riot, Bumblebee pushing him to safety while he and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita-1]] handled the crowd. That night, Megatron visited Shockwave to chew him out for his idiotic decisions and told him to fall into line, lest Megatron throw him back to the authorities. {{storylink|The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Four}}

[[File:TheCracksBeneathYourFeetPartFive-megatron.jpg|thumb|right|300px|"[[When Continents Collide|YOU BLUNDERING TAPE-FILLED ''IDIOT''!]]"]]

Megatron's troubles only continued to increase when he discovered that Soundwave had been collaborating with Shockwave on tying up loose ends, even granting [[Barricade (IDW)|Barricade]] sanctuary. His political legitimacy crumbling, Megatron ordered Shockwave to collect Barricade but to do it in such a way that reflected well on the Ascenticons. That evening, following a successful performance, Megatron gave another speech to Cybertron, denouncing the ineptness of [[Security Operations]] and proclaiming that the Ascenticons would bring much needed order to the planet, unveiling [[Decepticon|a new symbol]] for the faction. {{storylink|The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Five}}

[[File:TheChangeInYourNaturePartThree MegatronBeatsShockwave.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Yeah, none of [[The Worse of Two Evils!|that]] this time around, buddy.]]
The Rise continued to operate outside Megatron's control. A group of four Risers were interrupted while stealing energon and fled to an immersant Titan. Soundwave was forced to kill the Rise members in a dramatic blast at the Titan, severing the loose ends in what was made to look like a suicide bombing. {{storylink|The Change In Your Nature Part Two}} After that, Megatron had himself supercharged on energon by [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] and left to put his house in order. At the Rise's redoubt, Megatron met with Shockwave privately, but then asked the Rise's commander to summon his lieutenants, [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] and [[Slipstream (G1)|Slipstream]]. Megatron then proceeded to beat Shockwave within an inch of his life. To Shockwave and his lieutenants, there could be no further confusion: it was not the Ascenticons and the Rise working together, but everyone and everything in service to the will of Megatron. {{storylink|The Change In Your Nature Part Three}}

Word of Soundwave's true actions at the Titan had reached Sentinel Prime, and he was prepared to arrest the senator on suspicion of collaboration with the Rise. Sentinel instructed [[Heretech]] of the Reversionists to inform Megatron and the Ascenticons that a special Senate debate would be held to consider a unified administration, with Megatron receiving an official voice in policy. Instead, Heretech told Megatron the truth: the debate was nothing but a ruse to get Soundwave into the Senate precincts for his arrest. Starscream also sidled up to Megatron after Heretech delivered his message and departed. Openly proclaiming he was waiting to choose sides until a winner was evident, the Head of Cybertronian Intelligence informed Megatron that Bumblebee had a deep personal debt to Orion Pax, and was likely responsible for passing on word of Soundwave's actions to the Autobots in the first place. Even Megatron was shocked by the idea, considering it a personal betrayal by Pax if it were true. His conversations with Elita-1 afterwards about Bumblebee's activities in the Guard made it clear to Megatron that Starscream was right. {{storylink|The Change In Your Nature Part Four}}

After the Tether fell, Megatron grimly contemplated the tipping point that they found themselves on before he dispatched his troops into action, removing Elita from her position as head of the Guard and ordered for an accident to befall Bumblebee. {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons: All Fall Down|All Fall Down}} He later gave a broadcast that denounced the Autobots branding his faction as "Decepticons" and using the recent tragedies to institute more restrictive laws. Watching the speech, Orion Pax noted that, for all his failings, Megatron had clear endgame in mind. {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons: Tremors|Tremors}}

When Sentinel made the decision to convene the Senate without Megatron or his Ascenticons, Megatron arrived at the Senate building, flanked by Strika and [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]. Arguing with Orion Pax over the nature of change, he disregarded his old friend's warnings about what his message had become and pushed his way into the building, demanding to refute Sentinel's charges of deceit. However, once inside and before the Senate, he condemned the Autobots and revealed his true agenda. Tired of hiding behind the notions of changing Cybertron from within the system, Megatron fully embraced the Decepticon name. Announcing that the Rise had yielded to him, he decreed that the Senate had failed and would be dissolved. Unleashing his warriors on the senators and their [[Senate Guard|guards]], Megatron ordered the building secured and prepared to bring the news to the rest of Cybertron; the Decepticons were here to stay, to bring peace and order to the planet. {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons: We Have Deceived You|We Have Deceived You}}

Imprisoning key Senate figures in lower levels of the building, Megatron went to speak with the now-shackled Sentinel Prime. Ignoring Sentinel's warnings of the wrath a new age of expansion would bring upon Cybertron, Megatron instead wondered if taking the [[Matrix of Leadership]] from the Autobot leader would grant him authority over his followers. Megatron then stopped to confront Orion Pax over his perceived betrayal in sending Bumblebee to infiltrate the Ascenticon ranks, furiously telling his former friend that Orion was now irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Soon thereafter, Megatron broadcast another holographic message across Cybertron, telling the populace to remain inside and not interfere with the Decepticons' takeover. He then returned to deliver his terms to the rest of the captive senators, but an attack on the building by the Autobots interrupted him. Megatron ordered Strika's "[[Strika's Heavies|New Heavies]]" to repel them, and soon received a report from [[Clench (G1)|Clench]] that Sentinel Prime had been sighted leaving the premises. A frustrated Megatron ordered the [[Rainmaker]]s to retrieve Sentinel. {{storylink|War World: Prime|Prime}}

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After the Rainmakers had dealt with Sentinel's escape by executing him, an unconcerned yet displeased Megatron attached a [[fusion cannon]] to his arm before shifting his focus to those Cybertronians who oversaw the day-to-day functions of the planet, being informed that Starscream had requested another meeting. With Soundwave at his side, Megatron met the head of intelligence only for Soundwave to quickly grow tired of Starscream's smugness and unleash his sonic cannon on the Seeker. Just as Starscream was ready to speak, Megatron was informed that Termagax had returned. Confronting his mentor in the courtyard, Termagax denounced Megatron as an egomaniac and he promptly slew her. Just as he began to rally his troops once more, he was informed that what'd he destroyed was actually a [[spectrosynth drone]]. {{storylink|War World: Awakenings|Awakenings}}

Megatron and the Decepticons consolidated control over Iacon. They used Andromeda's broadcasts for propaganda messaging, denouncing many of the past government's statements as self-serving lies. From that, Megatron was able to declare alleged-Riser Sixshot as an honored member and new leader of the Decepticon Guard. Security Operations was dismantled and the Guard became the new and only source of authority on the streets. Energon distribution and the Titan Hub were two more assets brought under Decepticon control. {{storylink|War World: Hunt|Hunt}} Starscream's intelligence alerted Megatron to the presence of unthawed Titansparks under the [[Forge Pyramid]], and so that became the next target for Decepticon occupation. [[Strika's Heavies]] and the Rainmakers led an assault on the Pyramid, opposed by Optimus Prime's remaining forces, while Megatron consulted with the Rise's techy trinity at the Titan Hub. Megatron wanted renewed access to the Titan Net, but Mindwipe's data experts informed him they had done too good a job sabotaging it during the Tether mission. Megatron ordered them to accelerate the Titans' end, bringing down the orbital Titans so they couldn't be repaired by a rival faction and used against the Decepticons. The battle at the Forge Pyramid also went poorly, as the Pyramid went into meltdown and collapsed inwards. {{storylink|War World: Titans|Titans}} A single Titan spark survived the Pyramid's death, which Megatron kept in his custody. {{storylink|Darkness, Once Gazed Upon: Part Two}}

A final parley occurred between Megatron and Optimus Prime, conducted holographically with Strika and [[Pyra Magna]] as their stand-ins. Megatron denounced Orion Pax's authority as a "Prime", and refused to listen to his mystical ramblings about some deeper threat coming for them in the future. He ended the conversation and had Strika deploy hidden Decepticon forces to stagger Pyra Magna. Megatron's intent had been to keep Orion talking long enough for Soundwave to trace the Autobots' location. However, it turned out the Autobots had already abandoned the city, leaving Iacon and traveling beyond Megatron's immediate reach. Optimus Prime and the Autobots would continue to stymie his efforts in the future. {{storylink|War World: We Are Not Meant To Be Darkness|We Are Not Meant To Be Darkness}}

Megatron met with the infamous [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] once the teleporter resurfaced in Iacon. He was quite leery about trusting one of Exarchon's biggest collaborators, even if Skywarp switched sides at the tail end of the war. Once Soundwave reported that Termagax had been located, Skywarp ended their debate by teleporting away to find his old comrade, Shockwave. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}}

Following the loss of the [[Enigma of Combination]], Megatron tasked [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] with rebuilding the Pyramid before he was summoned to his throne room when Ultra Magnus was brought in. When Magnus tried to warn Megatron of the Sea of Rust, the Insecticons and Exarchon, the warlord simply scoffed that such threats could be met as a united force if the Autobots surrendered to him, ordering Magnus to be imprisoned while he planned an assault on Crystal City, though he allowed Strika and Starscream to investigate the claim that [[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]] had been claimed by Exarchon. {{storylink|Darkness, Once Gazed Upon: Part Two}}

====Alternate future====
In the future where Exarchon returned and conquered Cybertron, Megatron was one of the bodies hosting the Threefold Spark, along with Onslaught and Shockwave. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Test Flight I|Test Flight I}} The Lord of Cybertron met with Jumpstream briefly before selling her off to the mercenaries. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Test Flight II|Test Flight II}}
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===''Mazinger Z versus Transformers''===
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===''Transformers/Ghostbusters''===
[[File:GhostsOfCybertronPart2-GhostMegatron.jpg|thumb|left|300px|"Oh no! That robot is a ghost!"]]
When the Autobots fled Cybertron following the end of the Great War, the planet was visited by [[Gozer]], whom Starscream contemptuously attacked with a [[null-ray]], the entity reflecting the attack back at the Decepticons. Though Soundwave found that the invader's power warranted a distress beacon, Megatron refused to stand down and, after tossing [[Vinz Clortho]] aside, confronted the being who asked him to choose the form of Cybertron's destroyer only to quickly disappear, stating that the choice had been made. Hesitatingly, Starscream revealed that he'd had a passing thought, that only he could destroy Cybertron, Gozer reappearing as a titanic version of the Seeker. After venting some anger at Starscream, Megatron summoned his army to fight the invader. {{storylink|Ghosts of Cybertron Part 1}} Even with their mightiest [[combiner]]s however, the Decepticons could not match Gozer's power. As Megatron prepared to execute Starscream for giving the Traveller a form, [[Decepticon High Command]] was approached by [[Kremzeek]] the Scavenger who offered to save the quartet from Gozer's wrath. Though initially unwilling, Megatron was convinced by Shockwave to hear out the being. Agreeing, Megatron was turned into a [[ghost]] along with his servants. In return for this however, Kremzeek wanted their aid in finding and absorbing the [[AllSpark]]. Along with Soundwave and Shockwave, Megatron refused, resulting in the trio being absorbed into Kremzeek's being. {{storylink|Ghosts of Cybertron Part 2}} {{storylink|Ghosts of Cybertron Part 4}}

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Roughly a thousand years later, on the planet Earth, Kremzeek's physical body was destroyed when the Scavenger made physical contact with [[Killerwatt|an electricity consuming ghost]], freeing Megatron's spirit. Though Optimus Prime offered to use the AllSpark to grant the Decepticons new bodies, Megatron thought only of finally ending their rivalry, lunging at the Prime. {{storylink|Ghosts of Cybertron Part 4}}

Continually rebuking Optimus' offer of aid, Megatron engaged his foe in close quarters combat until he was the last Decepticon standing. When Optimus delivered an uppercut, Megatron tumbled backwards into the Autobot scientist [[Ectotron]], accidentally possessing his body. Delighted by the situation, Megatron used Ectotron's body to beat down Optimus before he was forced down with [[Ray Stantz]] dumping a vial of [[mood slime]] into the Autobot's body. The supernatural substance forced Megatron out though he was quick to reconstitute himself into a more monstrous form. Though Megatron dreamed of possessing Optimus Prime's body and using his nemesis's army to rebuild the [[Decepticon Empire]], Ectotron managed to snag the warlord with his [[proton pack]] before imprisoning him in a [[ghost trap]]. When Optimus Prime left Earth, he took Megatron's ghost with him, along with those of Soundwave and Shockwave, hoping to rehabilitate the tyrant before one day using the AllSpark to grant him a new body. {{storylink|Ghosts of Cybertron Part 5}}
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===''Transformers vs. The Terminator''===
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In [[1984]], Skywarp reactivated Megatron aboard the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' by dragging him into the path of [[Teletraan I]]'s repair beam. Once the pair had reactivated the other Decepticons, they executed [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and the other [[stasis lock]]ed Autobots before turning their attention to the conquest of Earth. Megatron oversaw a brutal campaign against [[Skywatch]] that led to humanity's extinction, which left only their computerized defense network [[Skynet]] to continue the war against the aliens. Though Skynet feigned surrender, the computer used the time to scrounge together a time machine to retroactively win the war. {{storylink|Enemy of My Enemy Part Two}} By [[2029]], Megatron learned of the deception and sent the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] and [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s to attack [[Omega Base]] and destroy Skynet for good.

In an attempt to negate this timeline, a single [[T-800]] unit travelled back in time to 1984 and arrived at the ship with [[Sarah Connor]], just as Megatron prepared to kill Optimus. {{storylink|Enemy of My Enemy Part Two}} Though initially unimpressed by the android, the Terminator shot out Megatron's eye and prompted the furious warlord to dispatch [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to kill him while he helped revived the other Decepticons. After Sarah helped revive Optimus Prime and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], Megatron ordered a retreat, but not before blasting the hold of the ''Ark'' and critically injuring most of the still-dormant Autobots. The Decepticons regrouped on the Oregon coastline to gather intel and repair their leader's eye; when Megatron learned of the existence of the nearby [[Cyberdyne Systems]] facility, its nuclear reactor, and a suspected link between the factory and their robotic attacker, Megatron ordered an attack. {{storylink|Enemy of My Enemy Part Two}}

[[File:EnemyOfMyEnemyPart4-MegatronDies.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The worst case of heartburn ever.]]

After conquering the area, Megatron received a briefing from [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] but was displeased to learn that the facility seemingly contained no connection to the robot that had attacked them. When news of the Decepticon takeover reached human media, Optimus Prime, the Terminator, and the other Autobots arrived to stop them, and Megatron led his troops into battle. {{storylink|Enemy of My Enemy Part Three}} As Megatron duelled Optimus, Starscream formed an alliance with the T-800 to destroy all Autobots and Decepticons and launched the android at Megatron. Unharmed and unamused by the T-800's ineffective attacks, Megatron contemptuously hurled the interloper at Starscream, grounding both. This left him open to a crippling attack from Optimus' [[energon-axe]], but Megatron stubbornly pressed his attack, eventually becoming the last Decepticon still fighting and finding the strength to down his opposite. Desepite this brief victory, Arcee caught him unaware when she threw the bisected T-800 directly into his wound. The android fired on Megatron's [[spark]] and blew him apart from the inside, leaving the tyrant unable to do anything more than hurl a few feeble curses at Optimus before he passed.

With the human authorities closing in, the Autobots were forced to leave Megatron's body behind and go into hiding, leaving the warlord's corpse free to be recovered by the humans at Skywatch. From his body, the humans reverse-engineered a new version of Skynet and its Terminator army... a version that incorporated a remnant of Megatron's own consciousness, ensuring that he would live on in some form. {{storylink|Enemy of My Enemy Part Four}}
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===''My Little Pony/Transformers''===
[[File:Finale-Megatron.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Megatron finds himself living out the private fantasies of [[Megatron (WFC)#Notes|a different Megatron]].]]

On [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s advice, Megatron led the Decepticons to secure a malfunctioning [[space bridge|spacebridge]] capable of opening rifts to other dimensions. Though Megatron ordered his subordinate not to activate the device, Shockwave attempted to identify the coordinates at the same moment that a magic spell from [[Queen Chrysalis]] somehow crossed realities, interfered with the spacebridge, and sucked multiple Cybertronians through to the magical land of [[Equestria]]. After arriving, Megatron formed an alliance with the evil [[changeling]] queen, {{storylink|Transformation Is Magic}} and hatched a new plan to steal magical artifacts from Equestria and refine them into a powerful new form of [[energon]]. {{storylink|Finale (Friendship in Disguise!)|Finale}}

After establishing a secure location to regroup and marshall his scattered troops, {{storylink|Pet Sounds}} Megatron launched an all-out raid on the [[Crystal Empire]] once he'd re-consolidated his army. [[Princess Cadance]] refused to surrender their magic, however, and the Autobots and their pony allies arrived in time to defend the kingdom. Megatron duelled Optimus Prime, but was prevented from executing his foe by [[Twilight Sparkle]], who used her magic to inhibit his fusion cannon. Realizing that Chrysalis had deliberately under-informed him of the level of resistance, Megatron turned on his ally before a space bridge back to Cybertron opened, through which [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Spike (MLP)|Spike]] emerged. Seeing this, Twilight realized that changeling magic was not necessary to open the bridge back to Cybertron and combined her power with that of the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to banish the Decepticons back to Cybertron. Once everyone had been accounted for, Megatron learned that Shockwave had not been able to procure any magical samples for their use, but had obtained the coordinates to Equestria and believed that he could bring Equestrian magic to Cybertron. {{storylink|Finale (Friendship in Disguise!)|Finale}}

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Some time later, Megatron and Shockwave had secured a second space bridge, successfully reopened the portal to Equestria, and begun sending Decepticons through the portal to steal artifacts of magical power. Unfortunately, one such mission went wrong when [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s patrol ran afoul of Twilight Sparkle and her friends, who pursued them through the portal and accidentally revived [[King Sombra]], whom the Decepticons had unknowingly transported back to their homeworld. The evil pony wound up hypnotizing a number of ponies and Cybertronians, including Megatron, and flew off with his new slaves to conquer the metal world. {{storylink|The Magic of Cybertron}}

Some time later, [[Vinyl Scratch]] and [[Octavia]] glimpsed the mind-controlled Megatron flying by. {{storylink|Sick Beats}} During the final battle to stop a Sombra-controlled [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], Megatron faced off with Optimus Prime before [[Rainbow Dash]], using her new emotion-powered [[exosuit]], hit him with a blast of Cybertronian emotion strong enough to break the spell. Thus freed, Megatron teamed up with [[Pinkie Pie]] and led the charge alongside Optimus after first agreeing to temporarily put their differences aside. After the Cybertronians destroyed Scorponok and defeated Sombra, Megatron informed Optimus that they'd maintain their truce as thanks for freeing him... but that amnesty did ''not'' apply to Starscream, who had sneakily tried to offline his leader under the guise of freeing him. Once Megatron chased Starscream away, he escorted the ponies back to the space bridge so that they could return home and was covered in hugs when he grudgingly allowed a cultural exchange between their two worlds to take place. {{storylink|Finale (The Magic of Cybertron)|Finale}}

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===''Transformers/Back to the Future''===
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In the year [[1985]], roughly one year after the Autobots and Decepticons had reawakened on Earth to continue their war, Megatron sent [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] on a reconnaissance mission to the small town of [[Hill Valley]] to find a new edge against their enemies. The pair spied on [[Doc Brown|Emmett Brown]] and [[Marty McFly]]'s experimental time machine and reported the presence of trans-temporal particles—recognizing the incredible advantage that [[time travel]] could give them, Megatron ordered the pair to steal the time machine. {{storylink|Transformers/Back to the Future issue 1|Transformers/Back to the Future #1}} Thirty years later, Megatron received a report from Rumble, who had stowed away aboard the time machine when it traveled to the year [[2015]], and travelled to Doc Brown's workshop to recover it. However, thirty years of fighting a losing war against the Autobots had reduced the Decepticon conqueror to a broken-down wreck, incapable of even firing a shot from his malfunctioning fusion cannon, so Rumble stole the time machine and abandoned this version of Megatron to retroactively ensure a Decepticon victory.

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By travelling all the way back in time to the year [[1974]], Rumble and his unwilling [[human]] collaborator [[Biff Tannen]] spent ten years stockpiling [[energon cube]]s, and in the year [[1984]] Rumble broke into the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' and reactivated Megatron and all of the other Decepticons prematurely. Megatron quickly blasted the still-deactivated Optimus Prime... then killed the future version of Rumble who had masterminded the entire scheme before going on to conquer Earth, {{storylink|Transformers/Back to the Future issue 2|Transformers/Back to the Future #2}} enslaving humanity and imprisoning them in [[energon]]-producing slave camps overseen by human coordinators. {{storylink|Transformers/Back to the Future issue 1|Transformers/Back to the Future #1}} Megatron took custody of Rumble's severed head and the DeLorean he had commandeered to travel through time, and ordered the Decepticon [[Gigawatt]] to extract and analyze Rumble's memory banks. However, Gigawatt soon suffered a crisis of conscience brought on by watching Megatron's callous treatment of his human slaves, scanned the DeLorean, and escaped, but not before Megatron blasted him with his fusion cannon. {{storylink|Transformers/Back to the Future issue 2|Transformers/Back to the Future #2}}

===2021 ''Beast Wars'' comic===
The ambitious [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Megatron (BW)|Galavar]] took the name of the original Decepticon conqueror in anticipation of his own victory. {{storylink|Savage Landing Part 1}} Later, [[Nyx]] taunted the Predacon leader by pointing out that history had forgotten the original Megatron. {{storylink|Savage Landing Part 3}}

===''Transformers Fan Book''===
[[Elita One (G1)|Elita-1]] tells the other Autobots that they need to work together to get some [[energon]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Pirme]] informs her that he has an idea about where they can get it. However, they are interrupted by Megatron and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] shortly afterwards, who want to steal the energon for themselves. {{storylink|Transformers Fan Book 2021}}

==Commercial appearances==
Megatron featured in quite a few [[commercial]]s, mostly advertising other toys. Those that had original footage of Megatron included the following:

*Megatron landed amid a battle on Earth and fired his cannon at incoming Autobots. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#The Transformers #1|''The Transformers'' #1}}
{{note|This appearance used his pre-cartoon design, with the black helmet and triggered cannon. He was not properly introduced in the commercial, but simply referred to as "The Decepticon Leader". This footage was later recycled in an ad for [[Coleco]]'s [[Power Cycle]] (where he and his Decepticons raided a <s>jungle gym</s> power plant) and again for the [[rubsign]] ad.}}
*Megatron led his troops against Optimus's as they charged at one another in the middle of the desert. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Optimus Prime and Megatron|Optimus Prime and Megatron commercial}}
*During a battle against Megatron, Optimus summoned [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]], [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]], [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]], [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]], [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]], and [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] to his side. Megatron responded by calling down [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] and [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Thrust and Dirge|Autobot cars plus Thrust and Dirge commercial}}
*In the middle of a desert battle, Megatron summoned Thrust and Dirge, in response to Optimus Prime bringing in like, half a dozen new guys. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Thrust and Dirge|Autobot cars plus Thrust and Dirge commercial}}
*Megatron, [[Treadshot (G1)|Treadshot]], and [[Krok (G1)|Krok]] blasted through a wall together to steal the power behind becoming Action Masters. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation_1#Action Masters|Action Masters commercial}}
{{note|In this scene, Megatron and the other Decepticons are not animated using [[character model]]s, but by tracing stop-motion animation of their toys. This is because that sequence is the commercial's transition from animation to live-action, the first visual image of the toys proper.}}
*Megatron attempted to hijack a load of shoes in a South American ad for [[Bata]]'s licensed ''Transformers'' footwear. He was stopped when a pair of said shoes deflected his fusion cannon blast right back at him. No, really. {{storylink|Commercial/International#Transformers de Bata|Transformers de Bata commercial}}
[[File:Commercial-AMMegatronpoints.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|My purple fists are for POINTING!]]
*Megatron, in his "Action Master" body, pointed at Action Master Starscream. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Action Masters|Action Master Starscream Commercial}}
*Megatron, again as an Action Master, was seen in a base futilely trying to grab a pair of [[Micromaster Combiner]]s. He got shot in the face for his trouble. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Micromaster Combiners|Micromaster Combiners commercial}}
*Once upgraded into his "Generation 2" body, Megatron tracked down Optimus Prime. Once he had his old foe in his crosshairs, he sprung in attack, and the two faction leaders dueled fiercely. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 2#Megatron|Generation 2 Megatron commercial}}
*Megatron barged into the suburbs in his battle tank mode, only to be opposed once more by Optimus Prime. Both transformed, and Optimus blasted Megatron's gun out of his hand. In the grappling that followed, Megatron was presumably defeated and driven off. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 2#Combat Heroes|Combat Heroes commercial}}
*"Bot Shots" Megatron had many confrontations with his Optimus counterpart, crashing into each other in vehicle mode and then slugging it out in robot mode. One Bot Shot Megatron and Optimus belonged to neighbours, and taunted one another when their owners left for school. They both burst out of their respective houses, destroying the windows on the way out and colliding in mid-air. {{storylink|Commercial#Bot Shots|Battle for the Matrix Bot Shots commercial}} Megatron would continue to duke it out against Optimus, though sometimes he would appear in a different body. {{storylink|Commercial#Bot Shots|Bot Shots Dragon Track Commercial}}
[[File:Hero Mashers commercial Megatron.jpg|thumb|200px]]
*"Hero Mashers" Megatron battled Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, and Grimlock in the middle of a busy city. Using Grimlock's head, Optimus managed to bite off Megatron's arm and steal his jet pack, sending the Decepticon crashing into a wall. Though Megatron fell to pieces, he managed to reassemble himself, and tried to shoot at the now thoroughly-scramble Autobots. Optimus dodged the blast by removing his head and putting it back on, then knocked out Megatron with his "dino-fist." Megatron fell apart once more, and bounced around as a head in defeat. {{storylink|Commercial#Hero Mashers|Hero Mashers commercial}}
*[[Frank Welker|Megatron's voice]] narrated numerous commercials, including:
**The [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Constructicons|Constructicons commercial}}
**[[Rubsign]]s {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Rubsign|Rubsign commercial}}
**The [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] (strange!) {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Sharkticon|Sharkticon commercial}}
**[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] (stranger!) {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Springer and Wreck-Gar|Springer and Wreck-Gar commercial}}
**[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] (stranger still!) {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Ultra Magnus and Galvatron|Ultra Magnus and Galvatron commercial}}
**The [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Aerialbots and Stunticons|Aerialbots and Stunticons commercial}}
**The [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Bruticus and Metroplex|Bruticus and Metroplex commercial}}
**[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Defensor and Trypticon|Defensor and Trypticon commercial}}
**The [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Predacons|Predacons commercial}}
**The [[Battlecharger]]s {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Battlechargers|Battlechargers commercial}}

===The Hub promos===
[[File:Hub-CobraPaloozaMegatronAThon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Little did Megatron know, Cobra Commander planned to hang up in the middle of his sentence.]]
[[Cobra Commander]] and Megatron had an argument involving New Year's Eve marathons of their respective television series. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1|Cobra-palooza Megatron-A-Thon}}

{{Note|Ironically, the [[Five Faces of Darkness|episodes]] featured in the ''Transformers'' portion of the marathon didn't feature Megatron [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|as Megatron]]. (With the exception of [[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4|one flashback]].)}}

[[Megatron (WFC)|Another Megatron]] declared the Hub his in a commercial for a marathon of ''Prime'' season 1 and 2, doing certain Hub-focused jokes and gags before the commercial breaks during the marathon. One such segment showed [[The Transformers (cartoon)|his home movies]], during which reminisced on how [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|young he looked back then]] and mocked [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave's]] dated choice of alt-mode. {{storylink|Commercial/Prime|Megatron's Favorite Song (26 Hour Takeover marathon promo)}}

{{Note|This is highly unlikely to be canon. For the Megatron primarily focused on the Hub, see: [[Megatron (WFC)]].}}

===Online promotional videos===
*Megatron dueled Optimus Prime atop of an overpass in a human city. Though Prime managed to knock Megatron's cannon loose early in the scuffle, Megatron managed to turn the tables on the Autobot leader, reattached his primary weapon, and blast his old foe. When Megatron moved in for the kill, Optimus got his second wind, and knocked Megatron clear off the overpass. {{storylink|They were always real to me.}}
*Megatron was contacted by Optimus Prime, who convinced him to attend [[BotCon 2009]]. It took some doing though, but Megatron agree to participate when he learned that his human fans would be in attendance. {{storylink|BotCon 2009!}}
*Megatron asked Starscream if he had finished work on the Decepticons’ anti-matter gun, only to learn that Starscream had instead been spending his time gushing over his new [[BotCon]] toy. After shoving Starscream over for his insubordination, Megatron asked Breakdown and Counterpunch if they could think of a place where the Decepticons could find some new ultimate weapons. Breakdown pointed out that BotCon had all sorts of Transformers-related stuff, and Megatron got the idea that he could pick up some weapons at the convention. {{storylink|BotCon 2010 Promo}}
*Megatron addressed female viewers, asking them to compare their male companions to himself. He clarified that said males were puny weaklings compared to the mighty Megatron! Though, they could still join the Transformers collector's club to get some exclusive toys. He also showed off the Transformers club magazine, the incentive figure for 2011, and was on a jet in outer space. {{storylink|Mega Spice -- The Transformer Your Fan Could Be Like}}
*Megatron and Starscream visited Shockwave's lab on Cybertron. The Decepticon leader asked if Shockwave has finished his work on the continuum transmorpher. He was pleased to hear that the device was nearly complete, but then got distracted by some new upgrades throughout Shockwave's lab. As Shockwave showed him around, Starscream summoned his [[Starscream (Animated)|“Animated” counterpart]] to their reality. Megatron came upon the pair, and they blasted the Decepticon leader together. It still wasn't enough to keep Megatron down though. {{storylink|Who is the Greatest Starscream Of All Time?}}
*Megatron interrupted Starscream's video for the first [[BotCon 2012]] exclusive toy review, allowing for [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] to step in and ruin the review. {{storylink|BotCon 2012: Figure Reveal!}}

==Games==
===Adventure Game: Defeat the Decepticons===
When Optimus embarked on his mission to rescue the Autobots' [[Mini Vehicle|Minicar]] troops from the Decepticons, Megatron could hinder Optimus Prime's progress by blasting him with fusion cannons. {{storylink|Adventure Game: Defeat the Decepticons|Adventure Game: Defeat the Decepticons packaging blurb and game}}

===''The Transformers'' (Commodore 64)===
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===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===
Megatron, somehow grown to monstrous size, awaits Autobot intruders at the end of the [[Underground Machine City]], hovering in a dark chamber with three floating platforms. He fires massive fireballs at Autobot positions at regular intervals. His armor makes him invulnerable, save for a conveniently-glowing weak spot in thie middle of his forehead. Shot enough times there, and the mighty Megatron will fall... but the Autobots' job isn't done yet! {{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}

{{note|In this game, the "goal" of the "story" is to discover the cause of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] death, as those events had not actually been told in Japanese markets at the time. Players can uncover a clue that Megatron was responsible in the earlier [[Time Tunnel]] III stage, by finding a hidden room and defeating the high-flying enemy within, which throws up an image of Megatron.}}

===''Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals''===
After defeating both the [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] on ancient Earth, [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] entered the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' and used a prototype [[transreplication]] device to create clones of the dormant Decepticons within. The Megatron clone, equipped with all the memories and personality functions of the original, then followed Ravage back to his future in order to conquer it. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals}}

===''DreamMix TV World Fighters''===
{{voiceactor|[[Seizō Katō]] (Japanese)}}
[[Image:DMTVMegatronAltColors.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
As part of [[DreamMix TV]]'s attempt to pull in more ratings, Megatron and his eternal rival Optimus Prime were invited to battle bunches of other beings on the television show ''[[World Fighters]]''. {{storylink|DreamMix TV World Fighters}}

===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
{{voiceactor|[[Jeff Manning]] (English)}}
[[File:TF PS2 Megatron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]

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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' - The Game (Xbox 360/Sony PS3/PC)===
[[File:ROTF 360PS3PC G1Megatron DLC.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Compare me to a cancelled toy, as I am only a skin for Flight ''Movie'' Me. I feel pain, as no one else can feel '''MY AWESOME POWER!!!''']]
{{voiceactor|Frank Welker (English)}}

{{Note|On [[August 27]], [[2009]], Megatron was one of a handful of downloadable characters in a DLC pack for Xbox 360 and Sony Playstation 3.}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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===''Transformers Battle Circuit''===
Megatron, one of the "greatest Transformers of all time," was part of a Decepticon team that participated in a tournament on Cybertron. If an Autobot wished to claim the title of tournament champion, Megatron was the last opponent they needed to face. {{storylink|Transformers Battle Circuit}}

===Transformers Battle Universe===
At the edge of time, when the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] needed a new host, Megatron was among several warriors (and [[Megatron (disambiguation)|Megatrons]]) summoned from the multiverse to battle for control of the prize. {{storylink|Transformers Battle Universe}}

===''Transformers G1: Awakening''===
[[File:Megatron g1awakening stats.jpg|upright=1.1|left|thumb]]
When the Autobots left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], Megatron and his troops gave chase, boarding the Autobot ship and causing it to crash on [[Earth]]. After a four million year stasis nap, a volcanic eruption woke the Decepticons, and they began conquering the new planet and building a [[space bridge]]. When they found [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], Megatron tricked him into joining the Decepticons. Unfortunately the Autobots soon turned Jetfire to their side, much to Megatron's displeasure, and the Autobots found out about the space bridge. Megatron returned to Cybertron and laid a trap with which he successfully captured the Autobots who came through the bridge. When the Autobots escaped back to Earth, Megatron followed them and mounted an all-out assault on the Ark. Unfortunately this was repelled, and despite Megatron's best efforts, the Autobots fought their way back to the space bridge, and attacked the Decepticon's headquarters on Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers G1: Awakening}}
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===''Bot Shots Battle Game!''===
Megatron participated in numerous one-on-one matches against other Autobots and Decepticons, using his fists, his sword, or his gun to defeat his opponents. Sometimes, he even faced off against himself! {{storylink|Bot Shots Battle Game!}}

===''Construct-Bots Builder''===
The components necessary for building "Construct-Bot" Megatron were accessible within the Cybertron construction zone. Despite it being against protocol, [[you]] could mix his parts with those of Autobots! (gasp!) {{storylink|Construct-Bots Builder}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
[[File:TFLegendsApp-Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I turn into a tank now. Any problems?]]
Megatron was once a miner, until Senator Ratbat shut down the facility where Megatron was employed. Enraged by the maltreatment of a fellow miner by the Senator's guards, Megatron accidently killed the guard and got himself arrested. While being transported, Megatron was convinced to take over the ship he was on by some fellow inmates, and set a course for the city of Kaon. There, he joined the underground gladiatorial fights and began to plot against the government establishment that had led him down this path. Megatron rose through the ranks of the pit fights, losing an arm in the process, only to have it replaced with spare parts acquired from a defeated foe. {{storylink|Megatron Origins}} In the Kaon pits, the harsh conditions gave him the desire to be the strongest of all. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Megatron's bio}} He eventually found himself opposed by Clench, but defeated him. Megatron then proceeded to take over Kaon, and set his sights on conquering the entirety of Cybertron. {{storylink|Megatron Origins}}

Megatron formulated a plan to wipe out the Autobots by activating [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s [[planetary engine]]s. When [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] tried to meet with him to talk him out of this course of action, Megatron instead ambushed the Autobot leader and successfully slew him. Unfortunately Megatron found that Sentinel was not in possession of the [[Matrix of Leadership]], which was promptly passed to the new Autobot leader, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The War Within}} During the early days of the war, Megatron attempted to obtain a quick victory by conquering Iacon. This plan failed due to Metroplex getting involved in the battle. {{storylink|Assault on Iacon}}

Stranded on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]], Megatron had to fight off the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] until Skywarp arrived to rescue him. {{storylink|Wreckage (Legends)|Wreckage}} Later on [[Earth]], Megatron's strict rule resulted in the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] going rogue. {{storylink|Harvest of the Insecticons}} He was pleased when he heard that Optimus Prime had been badly damaged by the Dinobots, but didn't have time to order a strike on the Autobot base, as the Dinobots were attacking his own base. {{storylink|Day of the Dinobots - Part 1}}

At some point, Megatron went missing in action, and Starscream took command of the Decepticons. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (Legends)|Countdown to Extinction}} As part of a distraction while the Constructicons attacked Teletraan I, Megatron challenged Optimus to a duel. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War - Part 1}} After [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] found a Golden Lagoon of [[Electrum]], Megatron led the invulnerable Decepticons against [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and then Autobot Headquarters, only to find the latter was deserted. The Decepticons rushed back to the lagoon to find the Autobots were also invulnerable, and after the lagoon was destroyed in the ensuing battle, Megatron and his forces retreated. {{storylink|The Golden Lagoon (Legends)|The Golden Lagoon}}

Megatron was enraged to learn that the Constructicons had somehow become friendly with [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] and [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]], and sent [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Deluge (G2)|Deluge]] out to bring the team back into line. {{storylink|The Master Builders (Legends)|The Master Builders}} When [[Chronogon]] portals began opening, Megatron devised a plan to utilize them. The Decepticons successfully sprang a trap that sent the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] back in time, and followed that up by trying unsuccessfully to prevent Orion Pax from becoming Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Golden Age (Legends)|Golden Age}} During a battle near Autobot HQ, Megatron sneaked away and sabotaged the Autobot [[recharging chamber]] with a [[personality destabilizer device]]. The Autobots were turned evil the next time they recharged, and Megatron sent them to [[Rutter U.S. Military Base|Rutter Military Base]] to steal a solar energy satellite. {{storylink|Attack of the Autobots (Legends)|Attack of the Autobots}}

[[File:TFLegends-SavageCircle.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1| '''WHYYYYYYYY?! ''WHYYYYYYYYY?!?!?!''''']]
Megatron and Shockwave slyly suggested to Grimlock that he should be leader of the Autobots, believing that if he took over, it would make their job of overcoming the Autobots easier. As it happened, once Grimlock took over, the two Decepticons were instead captured by his forces, and only escaped once he turned the reigns back over to Optimus. {{storylink|Me, Grimlock, King}} Megatron somehow became fused to Ratchet somewhere in inter-dimensional space. The pair were attacked by a time-displaced [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], however a team of Autobots rescued them and the pair were surgically separated at the Autobot base. Megatron took advantage of the subsequent celebrations to make his escape. {{storylink|Savage Circle}}

The Decepticons managed to steal [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbird]], and Megatron had Hardshell reprogram her to serve the Decepticon cause. Though she succeeded in stealing the [[World Energy Chip]] from Autobot HQ, Megatron and his troops were forced to come to her aid and failed to prevent her falling back into Autobot hands. {{storylink|Enter the Nightbird (Legends)|Enter the Nightbird}} After Megatron and his men found a [[Lightning Bug]] on an old Autobot colony world, they found they'd contracted [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|Cosmic Rust]]. Back on Earth, they stole [[corrostop]] and cured themselves, before inflicting the disease on the Autobots. The Decepticons were unable to stop the Autobots getting a sample of corrostop from the [[Statue of Liberty]] and curing themselves, however. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (Legends)|Cosmic Rust}}

After Dirge crashed into a movie set while transporting a stolen Autobot weapon, Megatron sent a group of Decepticons to retrieve him and destroy all evidence. He was upset when they not only returned without having destroyed the film, but when the film turned out to be a blockbuster hit. {{storylink|Hoist Goes Hollywood (Legends)|Hoist Goes Hollywood}}

Megatron and his men finally managed to drive the Autobots from Earth, badly damaging Optimus in the process, and set about conquering the planet. Their reign was short-lived, as the Autobots returned once Optimus had recovered, and Megatron was himself badly damaged in the battle that ensued, resulting in the Decepticons retreating. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron (Legends)|All Hail Megatron}}

When the ongoing conflict with the Autobots finally came to a head, Megatron led an assault on [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] and eventually stood over Optimus Prime's broken body. {{storylink|One Shall Fall...}} Or possibly Optimus defeated Megatron. {{storylink|The Battle for Autobot City}} A short time later, Megatron was reborn into Galvatron, thanks to [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|All Hail Galvatron}}
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===''Angry Birds Transformers''===
{{main|King Pig#As Dark Megatron}}
Megatron appears as one of the first unlockable characters, though he is now called Dark Megatron despite not looking dark at all. He is portrayed by King Pig. He also appears as [[King Pig#As Ultimate Megatron|Ultimate]], [[King Pig#As Energon Megatron|Energon]] and [[King Pig#As Lord Megatron|Lord]] versions. {{storylink|Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
Megatron participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He appeared in four different bodies:
*''Megatron'' — This Common character could be recruited by collecting 20 units of Cybermetal.
*''Generations Megatron'' — Promotional Rare character
*''Megatron (Leader)'' — This Super Rare promotional character could be recruited through the space bridge for 1000 gold.
*''Generation 2 Megatron'' — This Epic character was available as a reward in the "Generation 2 Episode 1" event. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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[[File:Battle-Tactics-Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|He starts out as a Common miner.]]
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[[File:Battle-Tactics-Megatron-(Gen).jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Grant me mercy, I beg of you! - says any bot if he is the last opponent.]]
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Megatron-(G2).jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|[[Constructicon]]s original leader.]]
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===''Transformers: Devastation''===
{{voiceactor|[[Frank Welker]]}}
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===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
{{voiceactor|[[Frank Welker]] (English), [[Masayuki Kiyama]] (Japanese)}}
[[file:MegatronEarthWars.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.75| I have a thumb. It's just bent.]]

Megatron is needed on earth by the Decepticons, but they are too late as Optimus Prime comes through the [[Space bridge]]. Optimus then proceeds to beat Megatron to the [[Fractal Map]] and locate the [[Enigma of Combination]]. The Autobots succeed, but Megatron has found a way to artificially create the power needed to create combiners. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars|Autobot Campaign}}

Megatron orders [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] to get him a [[Quantum crystal]] powerful enough to bring him through. Then he starts on his conquest to obtain the Fractal Map, the Codex Key, and finally the Enigma of Combination. With the Enigma, Megatron then precedes to use Devastator to destroy everything, but is stopped by Optimus and Superion. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars|Decepticon Campaign}}

When Megatron first arrives on earth, the other cons are weary and afraid of the mortar that lies ahead of them. Irritated with their cowardace, Megatron leads a '''Rallying Charge''' that allows them to destroy the autobot's outpost. Megatron then lords over the victory on all the other cons {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars| The Lost Map Campaign}}

During the race to find the [[Fractal Map]], Megatron orders Bludgeon to spy on Starscream to make sure that he doesn't do anything "out of line". He finds out Starscream was commanding an Operation consisting of Hook and Scrapper, and took command of the Op himself. They destroy an Autobot base, and Hook has to clean up while Megatron commands the rest of the cons to stay in line and find the Fractal map before the Autobots do. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars|Power Play Campaign}}

During the final battle of the Codex Key, Megatron gathered the rest of his "most" loyal troops, including (the rest of) the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], Seekers, [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]], [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]], [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]], and [[Stunticon (G1)|the Stunticons]] (They didn't show because they were busy with.... [[Drag Strip (G1)#Games|"''other''"]] [[Offroad (CW)#Games|Things..]]) and they all took part in the battle that ensued. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars| The Codex Showdown Campaign}}

When Megatron got his hands on the Enigma of Combination, he eagerly used it on the Constructicons to form Devastator. With the creation of Combiner lab, Megatron had plans to make more combiners. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars|Combiner Wars Campaign}}

*'''Class:''' Special
*'''Lowest Star Rating:''' 2 star
*'''Weapons:''' Megatron fires a blast from his Fusion Cannon before engaging a target up close and attacking it with his energy mace.
*'''Ability: Inspiring Charge''' - Rally Decepticons to engage the target. Then charge in damaging walls along the way.
**'''Cost''': 5 ability points +2 for reuses.

[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:megatron Megatron at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

===''Transformers: Frontiers''===
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===''Transformers Operation Omega''===
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===''Transformers Online'' (2016 video game)===
[[File:Megatron TFO.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
{{bigquote|Peace through tyranny.}}

On Cybertron, Megatron quickly rose to power as champion of the pits of Kaon, where he assembled a group of followers. On planet Earth, he led the Decepticons to reside amongst the Autobots and humans in a long struggle for control. Megatron may be perceived as contradictory, for it was less likely for him to be hailed as a "hero". His power and prestige defined his heroic glory, but Megatron's treachery still posed him a threat to all. Megatron defeated the most powerful enemy, who had control over an unruly army. However, Megatron would never: betray his family, leave behind any of his comrades, or forget to restore his former homeland. Because of his unwavering faith, Megatron's will could last until his final moments.

In battle, Megatron wielded the "[[Gaia Chain Mace]]" and the heavy duty "[[Slayer]]" bazooka. His active skill was "Missile Frenzy":
*'''Missile Frenzy''' — (Must be in vehicle/tank mode) Megatron can fire up to 3 tracking missiles that reduce an opponent's damage by 50%. Each missile deals 800 points of damage to an opponent. {{storylink|Transformers Online (2017 video game)|Transformers Online}} <ref>[http://tfol.qq.com/act/a20160726data/hero7.shtml Megatron on the Transformers Online website]</ref>
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===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
[[File:Megatron-G1-Forged to Fight.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4| OH, that upgrade felt good. Now, let's go crush some hippies!]]
Megatron was one of many bots pulled from his universe to fight for the Quintessons. Some of them even join you!
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===''Angry Birds Transformers''===
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===''Transformers: Bumblebee Overdrive''===
[[File:BBOMegatron.jpg|thumb|200px]]
Right after Bumblebee destroyed a Decepticon base, Megatron started attacking him. He gave up halfway through the fight, and decided to let his warriors deal with the Autobot. {{charstubgames|{{storylink|Transformers: Bumblebee Overdrive}}}}
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===''World of Warships: Transformers''===
[[Image:WoW Megatron camo 1.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
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==Toys==
{{main|Megatron (G1)/toys}}
{{main|Megatron (G1)/Generations toys}}

==Merchandise==
{{main|Megatron (G1)/merchandise}}

==Notes==
[[File:EvolutionOfMegatron.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Evolution of the G1 character model. For the gun mode, the animators appear to have been instructed to reference the version from the transformation chart.]]
* [[Bob Budiansky]] stated in an interview that the name "Megatron" is a portmanteau derived from "Megaton" and "Electronic".<ref>[http://www.bwtf.com/interviews/bb204/ Bob Budiansky Interview at BWTF.com]</ref> He suggested the name "Megatron" for the Transformers line but [[Hasbro]] initially rejected it, claiming that "mega" conjured images of nuclear bombs. Budiansky reminded them that the name was supposed to sound evil, because he's the leader of the bad guys. Hasbro responded, "Oh, right", and then approved the name.<ref>[http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2010/07/02/from-the-asm-archives-a-little-qa-with-bob-budiansky/ ASM: A Little Q&A with... Bob Budiansky]</ref>
*Early in the ''Transformers'' series production, Megatron's look was based not on the toy, but on concept art for an unproduced prototype version. This early version, sporting a different, black head, a very different scope/fusion cannon, and the gun's barrel on his back, managed to make its way into not only early [[commercial]] animation and licensed material, but into the art of the early Marvel Comics. Though the model was altered before the animated series was produced, elements from the first model such as the back-mounted barrel were perpetuated in both the comic and the cartoon. The Marvel Comics continued to color Megatron's helmet black (well, blue) until the end of its run. Cleverly, flashbacks in IDW's ''[[The Transformers: Stormbringer]]'' and subsequent series used the black helmet to show Megatron's younger self and his normal gray helmet for his modern self in order to show age. By contrast, Megatron's [[Megatron (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' counterpart]] has a black helmet in the present day.
*Likewise, early UK comic art often coloured Megatron's upper body gold instead of silver, most notably in [[State Games]] and the cover of [[:File:MarvelUK-021.jpg|Transformers (UK) issue 21]]. This is because the original Boxart for Megatron (Hasbro) does in fact feature a gold hue to the upper body and arms for no known reason.
*Similar to Optimus Prime's trailer, Megatron's Walther P38 alt-mode includes parts that materialize from out of nowhere once he transforms, which change his silhouette into a more rifle-like shape. These parts include an elongated pistol stock and an extending barrel attachment, both of which fly offscreen once he reassumes his robot mode. Megatron is never seen operating as a pistol without these extra parts.
[[File:P-Megatron.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4|Microman Megatron's concept model. Back then, he was a little less happy to see you.]]
*When Megatron transforms into gun mode, he most often [[Size changing|shrinks]] to a size where he can be held by either a human or fellow Transformer and has someone else aim and fire him. The exceptions are in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|episodes]] "[[S.O.S. Dinobots]]" and "[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 3]]", the [[The Transformers (PS2)|''The Transformers'' video game]], the manga issues [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 4|''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' #4]] and "[[The Battle of the Star Gate]]" (likely "[[Activation]]" too, but the angles makes it impossible to say for certain) as well as the [[G.I. Joe (comic)|''G.I. Joe'' issue]] "[[Realignments]]". In the cases of "S.O.S. Dinobots", ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' #4 and "The Battle of the Star Gate", Megatron does not shrink and has another Transformer somewhat clumsily aim and move him. In "The Ultimate Doom, Part 3", the video game and "Realignments" (and "Activation"), he floats in the air and takes a shot at his target unassisted. The reasons Megatron chooses to transform instead of simply using his fusion cannon are seldom explained.
*On the 1985 [[The Transformers Universal Studios Tour|Universal Studios Tour]], a giant statue of Megatron was available for children to clamber over and have their picture taken on. It wasn't especially dignified.
*''[[Beast Wars Universe]]'' claims that Megatron has been missing since the beginning of [[Pax Cybertronia]] and it is rumored that he is deceased. This is seemingly incongruous with the open references the cartoon makes to ''The Movie'', where Blackarachnia confirms it was Galvatron who killed Starscream.<ref name=BWU>Page 37, Guest Character and ''G1'' Icons, ''[[Beast Wars Universe]]'' ISBN 978-4766938005</ref> Did they simply not know that Megatron and Galvatron were one and the same?
*[[:File:Megatronconceptbodies-HOStpb.jpg|Unused concept art]] for ''Hearts of Steel'' depicts Megatron with a variety of proposed alternate modes: a giant cannon (with big studded wheels that become shoulder-shields), a 19th-century Colt revolver, possibly a {{w|Colt 1851 Navy Revolver|Colt 1851 Navy}}, and another very similar revolver, with an anachronistic scope and a bulkier muzzle.
*Some [[Canada|Québecquers]] loved his shiny body so much they named a communications company after him.<ref>[http://www.megatron.net/quebec/ Megatron Dot Net Forward Slash Quebec.]</ref>
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===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Megatron''' (メガトロン ''Megatoron''), '''Megalligator''' (''Beast Wars'' vs pack, メガリゲーター ''Megarigētā''), '''Megatronus''' (''Generations'' vs pack, メガトロナス ''Megatoronasu'')
*''Cantonese:'' '''Megaton''' (麥加登 ''Mak Gaa Dang'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Mega Wáng''' (Taiwan, 美加王 ''Měijiā Wáng'', "King Mega"), '''Jùwúbà''' (Taiwan, 巨無霸, "Colossus"), '''Wēi Zhèn Tīan''' (China, 威震天, "Extremely Prestigious", literally "Heaven-shaking Might")
*''French:'' '''Mégatron'''
*''Hebrew:'' '''Megatron''' (מגהטרון ''Mghjrwn'')
*''Portuguese:'' '''Megatrão''' (Portugal comics)
*''Russian:'' '''Megatron''' (Мегатрон)
*''Serbian:'' '''Megatron''' (Мегатрон)
*''Spanish:'' '''Megatrón'''
*''Ukrainian:'' '''Megatron''' (Мегатрон)

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://transfans.co.uk/media/2KX/media/comics/the_transformers_uk/dreadtidings/Issue227.jpg Transformers #227 Letters Page on Transfans.co.uk]

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Transformers Collaborative

2022-02-24T21:24:07Z

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[[File:Collaborative.jpg|200px|center]]
'''''Transformers Collaborative''''' is a [[subline imprint|subline]] of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[franchises|franchise]] that began in [[2019]], intended to incorporate properties originating outside of the ''Transformers'' brand, not unlike the ''[[Transformers: Crossovers|Crossovers]]'' franchise (2008–2011) before it.

''Unlike'' its predecessor, some ''Collaborative'' toys feature tie-in crossover comics published by [[IDW Publishing]].

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==Collaborations==
===''Ghostbusters × Transformers''===
[[File:Collaborative-Ghostbusters-Ectotron-box.jpg|thumb|250px|''Ghostbusters × Transformers'' Ectotron box]]
{{main|Ghostbusters}}

====Fiction====
* ''[[Transformers/Ghostbusters]]: Ghosts of Cybertron'' (5-part miniseries)
: Occurs in IDW's pre-existing ongoing ''Ghostbusters'' universe.

====Toys====
Announced in the run-up to [[Toy Fair 2019]], preorders for Ectotron went up on [[Hasbro Pulse]] on [[February 15]], 2019, and was also sold online through [[GameStop]] in the [[United States of America|United States]], [[EB Games]] in [[Canada]], and [[Zing]] and EB Games in Australia. In [[2020]], additional online retailers offered it for sale. MP-10G Ecto-35 Edition Optimus Prime debuted as an exclusive at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] in 2019, with additional availability at Fan Expo Canada and the Hasbro Pulse online store.

[[2021]]'s Ectotron was released as a [[Target]] [[exclusive]], going up for preorder on [[November 13]], 2020 and later made available as a Toyworld exclusive, in [[New Zealand]]. It is also available on Hasbro Pulse in the [[United Kingdom]].

=====2019=====
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Ectotron#Toys|Ectotron]] (w/ [[Slimer#Toys|Slimer]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#CollabGB|MP-10G Optimus Prime Ecto-35 Edition]] (w/ [[Slimer#Masterpiece|Slimer]])}}
</ul>

=====2021=====
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{{Bp-a1|[[Ectotron#Afterlife|Ectotron]] (w/ [[Slimer#Afterlife|Slimer]] and [[Muncher#Toys|Muncher]])}}
</ul>
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===''Back to the Future × Transformers''===
[[File:Collab-toy Gigawatt.jpg|thumb|250px|''Back to the Future × Transformers'' Gigawatt]]
{{main|Back to the Future}}

=====Fiction=====
* ''[[Transformers/Back to the Future]]'' (4-part miniseries)

====Toys====
Gigawatt was released in two separate versions: a [[Walmart]]-exclusive numbered edition was put up for preorder on [[July 2]], 2020 with added graphics on the box identifying the figure as one of a limited run of 1,985. A standard non-numbered version was made available through [[Hasbro Pulse]] and other "select retailers" on [[October 1]]. In July, [[TakaraTomy]] announced that they would be releasing Gigawatt as well, making it the first ''Collaborative'' product to be released in [[Japan]]. Gigawatt was later released in [[Italy]] initially as a Gamestop-exclusive and then on [[Amazon]] starting from January 2021. On [[September 27]], 2021, Gigawatt was sold as a Mighty Ape-exclusive in [[New Zealand]]. It was also available on Hasbro Pulse in the [[United Kingdom]].

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{{Bp-a1|[[Gigawatt#Toys|Gigawatt]] (2020)}}
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===''Top Gun × Transformers''===
[[File:Maverick Packaging.jpg|thumb|250px|''Top Gun × Transformers'' Maverick box]]
Maverick is exclusive to Hasbro Pulse in the United States and Canada. It was also available at general retail in Hasbro's Asian markets such as Hong Kong.

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{{Bp-a1|[[Maverick (Collaborative)#Toys|Maverick]] (2020)}}
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===''X-Men × Transformers''===
[[File:Transformers-XMen-Ultimate-XSpanse.jpg|thumb|250px|''X-Men × Transformers'' Ultimate X-Spanse]]
{{main|X-Men}}
Ultimate X-Spanse is exclusive to Hasbro Pulse, Gamestop, and Target in the United States and Hasbro Pulse in the United Kingdom. On [[March 4]], 2021, the set was made available on Mighty Ape for New Zealand consumers.

*[[Ultimate X-Spanse#Toys|Ultimate X-Spanse]] (w/ [[Wolverine (Marvel)#Collaborative|Wolverine]] and [[Sabretooth#Toys|Sabretooth]]) (2021)
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===''Jurassic Park × Transformers''===
[[File:Collab-toy-Jurassic Park-box.jpg|thumb|250px|''Jurassic Park × Transformers'' Tyrannocon Rex / JP93 box]]
{{main|Jurassic Park}}
The set is exclusive to Amazon in the United States and went up for pre-order on [[June 29]], 2021. It will later, on [[December 1]], 2021, be available on Hasbro Pulse in the United States, and select retailers worldwide.

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{{Bp-a1d1|[[Tyrannocon Rex#Toys|Tyrannocon Rex]] / [[JP93#Toys|Autobot JP93]] (2021)}}
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===''J. Balvin × Transformers''===
[[File:Collab-toy-J-Balvintron.jpg|thumb|250px|''J. Balvin × Transformers'' J. Balvintron<br><small>Yes, this is real.</small>]]
{{main|J. Balvin}}
The set is exclusive to the [[NTWRK]] app and went up for pre-order on [[July 13]], 2021, and began shipping in mid-November.

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{{Bp-d1|[[J. Balvintron#Toys|J. Balvintron]] / [[Buzzsaw (G1)/toys#Collaborative|Energia Buzzaw]] & [[Stripes#Collaborative|Vibras Stripes]] (2021)}}
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===''Universal Monsters × Transformers''===
[[File:Collab-toy-Draculus.jpg|thumb|250px|''Dracula × Transformers'' Draculus]]
{{main|Dracula}}
This figure is exclusive to [[Target]] and Hasbro Pulse, announced on [[September 10]], 2021, and due to ship [[November 28]] (though international retailers got a head start on that.)

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{{Bp-d1|[[Draculus]] (2021)}}
</ul>
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===''Transformers × G.I. Joe''===
[[File:Collab-toy-Megatron-HISS-Tank.jpg|thumb|250px|''Transformers × G.I. Joe'' Megatron H.I.S.S. Tank]]
{{main|G.I. Joe (franchise)}}
Released to commemorate the 40th anniversary of [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]], this set was announced on [[February 24]], 2022.

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{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Collaborative|Megatron H.I.S.S. Tank]] and [[Baroness]] (2022)}}
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==Notes==
*Many of the toys released under the ''Collaborative'' banner had "Project" code-names with varying degrees of bizarreness:
{{collist|3|
:::*Ectotron: "Project Mullet"
:::*Gigawatt: "Project Future"
:::*Maverick: "Project {{w|Tom Cruise|Cruise}}"
:::*Ultimate X-Spanse: "Project {{w|Blackbird (comics)|Bird}}"
:::*Tyrannocon Rex/JP93: "Project Park"
:::*J. Balvintron/Energia Buzzsaw & Vibras Stripes: "Project Jam"
:::*Draculus: "Project Bat"
:::*Megatron H.I.S.S. Tank: "Project Trooper"
}}
*As of [[2021]], only the second Ectotron, the Ultimate X-Spanse and Gigawatt figures have been released in [[New Zealand]]. The former two were available both through Toyworld and Mighty Ape, while the latter was only available through Toyworld.

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Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys

2021-08-04T22:25:32Z

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'''[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]''' starred in a film series that made billions of dollars. Woohoo!

==''Transformers'' (2007)==
As a tribute to his immense popularity, Optimus Prime is the only ''Movie'' Transformer with a toy in every regular category (Legend, Fast Action, Deluxe, Voyager, and Leader).

===Legends Class toys===
[[File:Movie Legends Prime toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Shortening the smokestacks is good; [[For safety reasons|it makes the toy safer]]. But removing ONE and keeping the other? Crazy.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends, 2007)
**''Japanese name:'' '''EZ Collection Optimus Prime'''

: Legends class Optimus Prime is an ''extremely'' simplified toy of the extremely complex movie design. As such, he features numerous unavoidable inaccuracies, such as not transforming or even looking very much like the original design or the larger toy versions in [[robot mode]]. However, proportionally Legends class Optimus Prime is not far off from the real truck and the Leader class toy's [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]], aside from missing a smokestack on the driver's side. He is articulated at the shoulders and upper legs via [[ball joint]]s. He can also hold small weapons, such as [[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]].

:The toy was also later released as part of the blind-packed EZ Collection lineup, distributed via TakaraTomy's subsidiary Subarudo.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/LegendsOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Legends Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:TargetGenerationsLegends.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Say, have we met?" "No, I'm not from around here." "I can tell. You look ''way'' more realistic than I do."]]
*'''Generations Legends''' (Target exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

: A [[Target]] [[exclusive]], this four-pack of Legends Class figures contains two versions of both Optimus Prime and Megatron, namely [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Transformers (2007)|Legends of Cybertron Optimus Prime]], Movie Legends Optimus Prime, [[Megatron (Armada)/toys#Transformers (2007)|Legends of Cybertron Megatron]] and [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Movie Legends Megatron]].

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[[File:Movie Allspark Legends pack.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Get ready for the safety recall, folks.]]
*'''Battle for the Allspark''' (Toys"R"Us exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

: A [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive, this six-pack of Legends class figures contains unmodified toys of Optimus Prime, [[Jazz (Movie)#TRULegendsPack|Jazz]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BftAS|Bumblebee]], [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#BftAS|Megatron]], [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#BftAS|Starscream]], and [[Barricade (Movie)/toys#BftAS|Barricade]].

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[[File:Movie Legends Nightwatch Prime .jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Be afraid, Decepticons, because I hide in the shadows!]]
*'''Nightwatch Optimus Prime vs. Stealth Starscream''' (Legends Allspark Battles two-pack, 2008)

: The previously-released Legends Class Optimus Prime toy is redecoed to match the Leader class Nightwatch Optimus Prime deco. He comes with a predominantly black and silver redeco of [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Allspark2pack|Starscream]]. The robot mode is mistransformed: his body is not collapsed down to the waist.

:In Asia, at least some units (often separated from Starscream) got dumped to Hobby Shop dealers and were sold at a lower price.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/LegendsNightwatchOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Legends Nightwatch Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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===Deluxe Class toys===
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[[File:TF07-Protoform-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Until I find my feet, I have to use these giant robot hands.]]
*'''Protoform Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, 2007)
**''TakaraTomy ID number:'' '''MA-05'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun, missile, flame attachment

:Based upon the "[[Protoform]]" (Cybertronian) appearances of the Transformers in the Movie, Protoform Optimus Prime transforms into his "entry" mode. This mode somewhat resembles a cybertronic truck, with false wheels sculpted onto the sides, and Optimus Prime's trademark windows in front. A flame decoration piece fits to the back of the "vehicle", creating the illusion of a flaming comet's tail. The bottom of the vehicle has small wheels to roll the toy across smooth surfaces. Oddly, it has NO [[Automorph Technology|automorph]] gimmick at all, a feature most main-line figures have.

:He resembles previous Optimus characters in robot mode: his angular chest windows are reminiscent of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], while his near-animalistic limbs and color scheme are evocative of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]. He has excellent articulation due to his many ball joints, and is armed with a rifle. The flame attachment can fit onto the end of the (non-firing) gun barrel.

:Some packaging variants of this figure (perhaps a Wal-Mart exclusive) included a free movie poster depicting a Cybertronian eye overlooking Earth, with an added sticker to the outer plastic bubble saying "Exclusive movie poster!". It is more of a preview of upcoming figures.

:This toy was [[repurposing|repurposed]] as a [[Prima|member]] of the [[Dynasty of Primes]] in [[Tales of the Fallen issue 4|''Tales of the Fallen'' #4]]. His alternate mode served as a basis for the [[Vok|Vok Novaroids]] for [[The Road to Legends' Revival Chapter 5: LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part Two]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/ProtoformOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Protoform Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:FusionClusterOptimusStarscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Made out of sculpted wildberry Slurpee.]]
*'''Protoform Optimus Prime Fusion Cluster Edition''' (C3xHobby Convention exclusive Deluxe, Japan 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Gun, missile, flame attachment

:An extensive redeco of the Protoform Optimus Prime mold that was exclusively available at the Japanese C3xHobby Convention in August of 2007, and later offered by [[e-HOBBY]] in limited quantities. Most of the body is made out of transparent turquoise plastic in order to mimic its frozen state in the "coldness" of space, while orange paint is used on the front end of the "entry" mode, mimicking the heat effects of sudden atmospheric entry. The flame attachment is made out of clear ''blue'' plastic, with the tail end being covered in ''gold'' paint.

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[[File:Movietoy jazz optimus brawl 3pk.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Deluxe three-pack''' (multi-pack, UK 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Gun with missile and flame attachment

:This three-pack, which was available at general retail in the United Kingdom, contains an unchanged Deluxe Class Protoform Optimus Prime together with equally unchanged Deluxe Class [[Brawl (Movie)#JazzPrimeBrawl3pack|Decepticon Brawl]] and [[Jazz (Movie)#JazzPrimeBrawl3pack|Autobot Jazz]] toys.

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[[File:Movietoy gold protoform optimus.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|Expectation VS Reality.]]
*'''Gold Protoform Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Gun with missile and flame attachment

:This gold [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] (save for his black joints, which they were made out of unpaintable plastic) Protoform Optimus Prime figure was featured as a [[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]] giveaway (along side similarly gold vac-metal versions of Voyager class Optimus Prime and [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#LuckyDrawProtoform|Protoform Starscream]]) in the December 2007 issue of ''[[TV Magazine]]''. Released in 2008, only 5 pieces were made, making it one of the rarest Lucky Draw figures; the images at right represent the only known photographs of it.

::*''[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/resources/review/movie+japanese/gold+protoform+optimus+prime+/3696 More information on Gold Protoform Optimus Prime at Transformers @ The Moon]''
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===Voyager Class toys===
[[File:Movie Voyager OptimusPrime toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The last one of you out of here gets a... gets a lead salad!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2007)
**''Japanese Name'': '''Twin Blaster Optimus Prime'''
**''Japanese Release Date'': [[2007]]-[[Calendar|8]]
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-13'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

:The mid-range Voyager class ''Movie'' Optimus Prime toy transforms into an amalgamation of the Kenworth W900 and the Peterbilt 379, making this toy fairly inaccurate to the actual vehicle Optimus Prime turned into. Because of the smaller size and lessened complexity, the Voyager class Optimus Prime features a significantly different transformation sequence compared to the Leader class toy, and indeed, the actual CGI design. However, as the actual truck cabin no longer forms his chest, the cabin now features a small interior with opening doors and a non-removable [[Peter Cullen|cowboy-hat-bedecked driver figurine]] that flips out of the seat when the driver's side door is opened.

: In robot mode, Voyager class Optimus Prime is proportionally more accurate to his CGI design than the leader class toy and has a more accurate headsculpt. However, due to the aforementioned lessened complexity, significant sacrifices had to be made, such as "cheats" to the transformation sequence to achieve this. He is thus less accurate overall than he initially appears. In addition to previously mentioned changes, he carries much of the truck's front hood, grill and fenders on his back like a backpack. Nevertheless, he maintains a superb level of articulation and posability.

: Optimus Prime is armed with two large rifles formed out of a combination of both smokestacks and fuel tanks. These rifles peg onto his lower arms with grips for his open hands. The under-slung fuel tanks can fire spring-loaded projectiles. In vehicle mode, both smokestack rifles can be deployed as twin cannons, and this mechanism can also be used to store the rifles and deploy them as shoulder guns in robot mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/VoyagerOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Voyager Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Movie Robovision OptimusPrime toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|We'd hate to see what those smokestacks looked like BEFORE Hasbro shortened them.]]
*'''Robo-Vision Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

: A Target-exclusive redeco of the Voyager Class Optimus Prime toy, this limited edition version boasts a "Supermetal finish", resulting in silver metallic paint covering much of his paintable gray/silver plastic, a much higher contrast in his red and blue plastic colors and improved 'flame' paint decorations.

: Unusually for the smaller Voyager Class of toys, [[Robo-Vision]] Optimus Prime comes packed in robot mode in a special hexagonal column box with many windows, similar to the original packaging for ''20th Anniversary'' Optimus Prime. The package also includes a Robo-Vision Decoder. Strangely, this Target exclusive preceded the release of the regular Voyager by a large margin, coming out on [[June 2]], 2007 with the initial wave of movie toys.

: This toy has been retroactively declared part of the ''Premium Series'' of more [[Show-accuracy|movie-accurate]] redecos of core characters from the movie.

:All international versions came in the same packaging, but lacked the "Only at Target" sticker.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/Robo-VisionOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Robo-Vision Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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{{anchor|BeePrimePack}}[[File:Movietoy bee and optimus 2pk.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Bumblebee and Optimus Prime''' (Argos exclusive two-pack, Hong Kong/UK/Australia/France 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

:A two-pack, available as a mass retail release in Hong Kong, as an Argos exclusive in the United Kingdom, as a Kmart exclusive in Australia, and with undetermined distribution in France. Contains an unchanged Voyager Class Optimus Prime and an equally unchanged Deluxe Class Concept Camaro [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BeePrimePack|Bumblebee]].

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[[File:SamsClubMovieVoyagerBattleDamagedOptimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Given later events, probably less "battle damaged" than "covered in the <s>blood</s> fuel of his enemies".]]
*'''Arcee, Starscream & Optimus Prime''' (Sam's Club exclusive three-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

:A three-pack, exclusive to [[Sam's Club]] stores, consisting of redecos of Voyager Class Optimus Prime and Deluxe Class [[Arcee (Movie)#Battle3pack|Arcee]], both with a battle damage deco, and an unchanged Voyager Class [[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Starscream]]. The Optimus figure would later be released on its own in international markets; see below.

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*'''Gold Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

:A gold-chromed version of the Voyager Optimus Prime toy was available as part of the same Lucky Draw contest as the Golden Protoform Optimus (see above) in the December 2007 issue of ''TV Magazine''. Limited to only 3 pieces, it is insanely rare. The photographed sample here features a chromed truck grill, while a boxed unit has an unchromed grey grill; the owners of both pieces, the Mapes Brothers of [http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/ Transformers @ The Moon], believe both are genuine TakaraTomy toys, so it unsure if the one with the chromed grill is a testshot or a production variant.

::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/content.php?/transformers-lucky-draw/toy-gallery/1979/Gold+Optimus+Prime.html More information on Gold Optimus Prime at Lucky Draw Transformers]''
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[[File:Movie Voyager Firststrike OptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Is ''this'' good enough for [[GEEWUN|you]]?]]
*'''First Strike Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

: Released as part of the ''Allspark Power'' refresh of the movie line, First Strike Optimus Prime is an extensive redeco of Voyager class Optimus Prime in a colour scheme based upon ''Generation 1'' and ''Classics'' Optimus Prime. The included toy bio describes this coloring as Prime paying tribute to the markings he wore as a young soldier when the war began. Due to the [[transformation]], this figure actually ends up being ''less'' like its G1 counterpart in robot mode, a sacrifice made for the slavish redeco of the vehicle mode. You can't have your cake and eat it too, folks.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/FirstStrikeOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on First Strike Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:MovieVoyagerBattleDamageOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him?]]
*'''Autobot Optimus Prime''' ("international market" exclusive Voyager-sized toy, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

:A single-packed version of the battle damaged Voyager Optimus Prime toy from the Sam's Club exclusive three-pack. Although the assortment number and the general packaging style (which are both the same also used for the [[Premium Series]] redecos of Voyager Class [[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Premium|Autobot Ratchet]] and [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#VoyagerPremium|Megatron]]) seemed to indicate that this might be a Best Buy exclusive, it was later confirmed to be an "international market" exclusive. It was released in Hasbro's Southeast Asian markets, but was not available in the USA outside the Sam's Club three-pack.

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[[File:TF2007-Screen-Battles-Freeway-Brawl-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|NOW WITH 8% BLUE!]]
*'''Freeway Brawl''' ("Screen Battles" two-pack, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

: A second Target-exclusive redeco of the Voyager Class Optimus Prime toy, the gray molded pieces were recolored beige-grey, and multiple parts that were previously molded in blue and red (the chest, shoulder pads, and leg interiors) had their mold colors swapped, with extra [[paint operation]]s to make up the difference. As such, the toy has very few visual differences from the regular release of the sculpt, in a "doing things differently to achieve a very similar end result" sense. This version was only available in a pack with an unchanged Deluxe Class [[Bonecrusher (Movie)#FreewayBrawl|Bonecrusher]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/ScreenBattlesOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Freeway Brawl Optimus Prime at TFU.info.]''

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===Leader Class toys===
[[File:TF07-Leader-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Y'think Prime got a makeover? We have it on good authority that Movie [[Roller (G1)|Roller]] is a kicked-out low-rider with a jammin' sound system and neon-purple undercarriage lighting.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, 2007)
**''TakaraTomy ID number:'' '''MA-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

:The largest 2007 ''Transformers'' movie Optimus Prime toy, Leader Class Optimus Prime featured, at the time, the most accurate representation of the CGI designs' complex transformation sequence. He transforms into a heavily-customized [http://www.peterbilt.com/index_gal_mod_desc.asp?model=model379 Peterbilt 379] conventional extended-hood, and unusually for a mainline figure, he has rubber tires on all his wheels. His [[Ion blaster]] weapon is stored in the rear of the truck's bunk, exposed like an engine block. Though Optimus has no trailer, he has a hole where the fifth wheel hitch is sculpted in the rear of the truck, should owners find a suitable trailer to use. Due to [[For safety reasons|safety reasons]], the tips of his long smokestacks are made of rubber. A switch on top of the cab roof activates horn sounds and window lights.

:Featuring a complex transformation, the front and back ends of the truck essentially fold and converge to become Optimus Prime's legs, as much of the truck rear is connected to the robot thighs via a series of folding panels. The rear wheel cowlings feature a hinge joint in the middle of them so they do not impede his knee articulation. The halves of the rear cabin of the cab, directly connected to the smokestacks, rotate and connect to his torso and unfold into his arms. As with most mainline Movie toys, Optimus Prime features [[Automorph Technology|Automorph]] gimmicks, and due to his price point, he has three of them. Firstly, during initial transformation, rotating his front fenders to become his heels flips the top parts of the grill to become his toes. Secondly, sliding out the double-barrel cannon in his right forearm flips out his spring-loaded Ion Blaster, which lands into place for his right hand. (The Ion Blaster can actually be popped off his forearm fairly easily, as it is held in place by a simple clip.) Optimus's final Automorph, located in his torso, is activated by flipping the silver lever on his stomach, activating a series of spring-loaded actions where the truck windows are pushed apart and the lever between them is raised, enabling the head to spring up from the chest cavity. At this point, yellow LEDs light up the chest windows and Optimus Prime's eyes, accompanied by a "powering up" sound effect.

:Optimus Prime has a wide range of articulation for a relatively bulky figure. He has ratcheting joints in his shoulders, elbows, hips, and knees, with swivel joints and ball joints supporting them in his biceps, lower knee joints, and ankles. His hands even have individually articulated fingers and thumbs!

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Leader Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:2007MovieOptimusPrimeCostCoBonusPack.jpg|thumb|Cylinders are the right of all sentient beings.]]
*'''Optimus Prime bonus pack''' ([[Costco]] exclusive multi-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

:A Costco exclusive special pack of Leader Class Optimus Prime with Legends Class [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#CostcoPrimeBonus|Bumblebee]] and [[Jazz (Movie)#CostcoPrimeBonus|Autobot Jazz]] as bonus figures. All three toys are unchanged from their respective original releases.

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[[File:Movie G4Contest Chrome OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Completists, eat your heart out!]]
*'''Chrome Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

:Two custom-made pieces (presented in robot and vehicle mode) by the [[Hasbro]] ''Transformers'' team as the grand prize for G4TV and [http://www.jumpcut.com Jumpcut]'s contest for fans to remix selected Transformers clips. Won by [http://www.TFW2005.com/ TFW2005.com] member James Zahn, this one-of-a-kind (well, two-of-a-kind) piece is an almost fully [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metallized]] Leader-class Optimus Prime in red, silver and blue (based heavily upon Generation 1 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]]), presented with a custom display base with an embossed silver Autobot insignia and a perspex display case.

:It is certainly one of the rarest Transformers toys ever, and unless you are James, you will never own one.

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[[File:Movie Leader Nightwatch OptimusPrime 2007.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Either this is [[Ultra Magnus (Movie)|Ultra Magnus]] or [[Optimus Prime (Movie)#The Last Knight film|Nemesis Prime]].]]
*'''Nightwatch Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, UK 2007)
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''MA-18'''
**''Accessories:'' Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

:The first Nightwatch Optimus Prime is an extensive redeco of the previously released Leader-class Optimus Prime, replacing most of his red and blue with different shades of blue and black. In fact, he resembles the original [[Diaclone]] Powered Convoy color scheme of ''Generation 1'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]]'s truck cab. The previously blue and red flames have been replaced with silver flames, while various other decos have been replaced by copper.

:This version was released in the UK several months before the ''AllSpark Power'' version. Available exclusively through Argos stores, it came in an American-style box with the original Movie packaging design. This version was also released by [[TakaraTomy]] in Japan.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/NightwatchOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Nightwatch Optimus Prime on TFU.info]''

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[[File:TF-2007-Lucky-Draw-Gold-Leader-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Now that is what I called a gold-plated kill."]]
*'''Gold Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

:A gold vacuum-metallized Leader class Optimus Prime was available as a [[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]] prize figure in [[Japan]], as well as being a promotional competition figure for various [[Hasbro]] branches elsewhere in the world. Only 88 pieces were made.

:Although the figure can transform, the feet were fixated to accommodate with the stand.

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[[File:Movie Leader Nightwatch OptimusPrime 2008.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Ultra Prime or Nemesis Magnus?]]
*'''Nightwatch Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, USA 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

:The second Nightwatch Optimus Prime was released as part of the "[[AllSpark Power]]" second half of the Movie line. He is similar to the UK version of Nightwatch Prime, replacing most of his red and blue with different shades of blue and black, retaining his resemblance to Diaclone Powered Convoy in most respects. However, the subdued black and copper on the first Nightwatch Prime have been replaced with gold and a ''very'' bright blue, to signify the All Spark energy affecting the Transformers. The translucent parts were also cast in purple translucent plastic instead of black translucent plastic.

:Another difference is that this version comes in an ''AllSpark Power''-style box instead of the original style.

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[[File:Premium movie OP.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[[Cyclonus (G1)/toys|Bunny-ears]] Prime.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' ("Premium Series" Leader Class, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Detachable, Retractable "energy sword"

:The Premium Series Optimus Prime is both a [[retool]] and a redeco of the Leader Class Optimus Prime toy. The major selling point is a more movie-accurate head sculpt with longer ears and detailing based on the final CG head design, and a flip-out energy sword to replace the ion blaster that was included with previous versions of the toy. This energy sword is detachable and attaches where the Ion Blaster did, compatible with non-premium Optimus Prime Leader-class-based releases. Because his ears are much longer, the truck roof panel that hides his head now has two holes cut into so the head can fit inside the cabin.

:The paint deco is... unfocused, to say the least. In vehicle mode, the grill, headlights, and bumpers (and thus his feet) are painted silver, yet the red in the small Autobot insignia has been removed. There is silver paint on the fuel tanks (toy battery cover), but not on the other tool boxes and equipment in the same location. There is also silver paint on all 6 wheel rims, the air cleaners, and the windscreen visor. In robot mode, the silver paint is mainly located on his thighs and crotch, though in order to save on costs, the dark blue and gold paint on his thighs and knee joints have been sacrificed.

:Unlike the initial ''Premium Series'' toys, this one was available as part of the regular mass retail Leader class assortment. The instructions still depicts the original Leader Class mold's head.

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*'''Transformers Commemorative Box Set (Autobots)''' (2008)

:Released an an exclusive for Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong (ACG, also known as Ani-Con) 2008, The ''Premium Series'' Optimus Prime toy is released without any changes along with [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Premium|''Premium Series'' Bumblebee]], [[Jazz (Movie)#Premium|''Premium'' Jazz'']], [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#VoyagerPremium|''Premium'' Ironhide]], and a [[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys|regular Ratchet]]. The toys are packaged with a synthetic, leather-like box, and it comes with a sheet of Certificate of Authenticity.

:The boxsets are limited to 100 pieces.

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[[File:Movie Leader OptimusPrimeBattleMode.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He loves his lips so much, he won't let anyone sculpt them on his toys.]]
*'''Optimus Prime Battle Mode''' (Leader Class, 2008)
**''TakaraTomy ID number:'' '''MA-21'''
**''Accessories:'' Detachable, Retractable "energy sword"

:The TakaraTomy version of Premium Series Optimus Prime has a considerably different deco from Hasbro's release. Similar to the unique chrome Optimus Prime, Optimus Prime Battle Mode features vacuum-metallized parts for nearly all of the silver truck parts, for a greater resemblance to the polished chrome on the real prop trucks. Unfortunately, as his feet are the front fenders and grill, this will likely lead to chipping. In robot mode, he retains several decos that were removed from Hasbro's Premium Optimus Prime for cost reasons, such as the blue and gold decos on his thighs. Finally, the flip-out energy sword is coloured gold to reflect its "powered up" appearance.
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===''Fast Action Battlers''===
[[File:Movie FAB OptimusPrime toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Okay mommy, me got my backpack and big gun thingy. Me go to robot school now?"]]
*'''Power Hook Optimus Prime''' (Fast Action Battler, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''QC-01'''
**''Accessories:'' 1 Missile

:[[Fast Action Battlers|Fast Action Battler]] Power Hook Optimus Prime is a (roughly) Deluxe-class made for children of younger ages than the rest of the mainline and was designed to have quick conversion and action feature. He has a little string attached to his missile that was tied to his "backpack" for easy storage and so the little ones wouldn't lose the missile.

:Unsurprisingly, he is rather inaccurate to the film's design.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/FABOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Power Hook Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Movie LeaderfortheAges 2pack.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The more things change, the more they, uh, get bigger guns.]]
*'''Leader for the Ages''' (Wal*Mart exclusive two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 1 gun, 1 Missile

: This Wal*Mart-exclusive two-pack contains the ''Fast Action Battler'' Power Hook Optimus Prime toy, designated "2007 Optimus Prime", and the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Transformers (2007)|Optimus Prime]] toy from ''The Ultimate Battle'' DVD two-pack. Both toys are identical to their normal individual releases.

: For some reason, the ''Classics'' Optimus toy is designated "1984 Optimus Prime" on the packaging, even though it was released in 2006... well, he ''looks'' like Prime from '84, so hey, what the hell.

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[[File:Mov2007-toy FAB FireBlastPrime.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus]], is that you?]]
*'''Fire Blast Optimus Prime''' (Fast Action Battler, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 1 Missile

: Fire Blast Optimus Prime is a [[redeco]] of the previously released Power Hook Optimus Prime fast action battler. The color scheme is loosely based upon ''Generation 1'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus Prime]], explained rather oddly in the card bio as being the camouflage Optimus took while hunting Decepticons on Mars post-movie... because there are so many long-nose cabs driving around Mars. Yeah.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/FABOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Fire Blast Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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===''Cyber Slammers''===
[[File:Movie CyberSlammers Prime toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Okay, let the bumper car battle begin! One shall stand, one shall...get knocked back a few metres.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Cyber Slammer, 2007)

: [[Cyber Slammers]] Optimus Prime is an amazingly cute truck that transforms into an amazingly cute Autobot. "Slam" his robot mode down into car mode and he rolls along for a while, then snaps back up into robot mode. Sure to please the toddler you brought with you to the PG-13 movie! Like most Cyber Slammers, Prime manages to cram most of his vehicle mode's major details into a compact, super-deformed version of that mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/CySlamOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Cyber Slammer Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Trans-Scanning''===
[[File:TransScanningOptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The Optimus Prime of your nightmares.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TS-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Display stand

: [[Trans-scan]]ning Optimus Prime is a Japanese-exclusive figure with many interchangeable parts. At its most basic, the figure is a spindly skeleton referred to as a "[[core body]]". To this skeleton, two sets of armor pieces can be attached to create one of two forms for Optimus Prime: his [[protoform]] mode or his Earth mode.

: The protoform mode consists of eight pieces of metallic blue plastic that plug into the arms, chest, pelvis and legs of the figure. With these pieces attached, the figure can be manipulated in a manner that might charitably be called "transformation" into his meteor-like "entry mode," accomplished by doing little more than tucking the head out of sight and folding the chest back. This blue-and-grey lump can be mounted on a three-piece stand that comes with the figure, allowing you to display it in mid-plummet. Optimus Prime's Earth mode, meanwhile, is made up of many armor pieces (including a particularly large backpack) that form a rather [[Kibble|kibbly]] robot mode, which can then transform into a truck approximating a Peterbilt 379. We would go into what an abominable, unintuitive, parts-massaging ''mess'' this transformation is, but we wouldn't want to fill up the rest of the page.

: Optimus Prime also includes a pair of interchangeable, open-palmed hands that can be swapped out for the clenched fists that are in place in-package. The Core Body mold was re-used for the simultaneously released Trans-Scanning [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Trans-Scanning|Bumblebee]] figure.

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===Optimus Prime Figure===
[[File:SpychangerMovieOptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The shoulders house a kickin' stereo system.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Spychanger, 2007)

:"Optimus Prime Figure" (オプティマスプライム・フィギア)<ref>Named as such in ''Transformers Generations 2009'' Vol. 2, page 52.</ref> is a redeco of [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] Spychanger [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]], painted to resemble ''Movie'' Optimus Prime. Of note is the [[tampograph]]ed detailing on his chest resembling ''Movie'' Prime's distinctive chest design. Like most Spychangers, he features high speed axles and can roll very well across smooth surfaces, but lacks the weight to propel him quickly.

:He was only available exclusively in Japan with a pre-order for the ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' DVD and HD-DVD.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/DVDOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Optimus Prime Figure" at TFU.info]''
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==''Revenge of the Fallen''==
===Legends Class toys===
{{anchor|ROTFlegend}}[[File:ROTF Legends OptimusPrime.jpg|301px|thumb|AT LAST! Two smokestacks!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''EZ-01'''
[[File:ROTF Legends Prime Jetfire combo.jpg|thumb|left|Don't I look awesome with my corpse backpack?]]

:''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Legends class Optimus Prime is an all-new, much more accurate mold compared to the 2007 Legends class Prime, having a much greater accuracy in both robot and vehicle mode. In particular, his vehicle mode isn't inexplicably missing one smokestack like the 2007 toy. It should be noted that he was molded in only one paintable plastic color, with red and blue deco patterns decked on it. The top of the truck's bunk (ending up on his back in robot mode) has a slot to combine with [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]]. For some reason, this isn't mentioned in the instructions, though they're hardly needed.

: Compared to the final product, stock photos of the figure loses blue paint operations on his knee armor. This mold was also used to make [[Darkside Optimus Prime (DOTM)#Dark of the Moon|Darkside Optimus Prime]].

: During the [[May 30]] launch event for the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toyline in [[Japan]], Legends Optimus were given out to attendees. The only difference is a sticker on the packaging commemorating the event. Optimus also saw release as a blindpacked figure for the first wave of the Revenge of the Fallen EZ Collection sets. And like all the first waves, he comes with a flyer advertising the TakaraTomy releases of the Revenge of the Fallen toyline. His pair of legs is also mistranformed to fit in the bubble.

:In Malaysia, this toy is also one of the four Legends Classes to be released as promotional merchandise for the Petronas Gas Station. He can be obtained starting from the 12th of July, via RM30 ($7.04) worth of gas or RM15 ($3.52) worth of foods and items in the Mesra Shop.

:Anyone looking to buy this figure on the aftermarket be warned, there is a very convincing-looking [[knockoff]] that's been making the rounds. While the paint applications are pretty much identical to the real deal, the pegs on the legs/trunk front can be a little too tight when attached. in some worst cases; it can break off if attempted to pull off by force.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/LegOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:ROTF Legends OptimusPrime Battledamage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|A little blue paint goes a long way.]]
*'''Optimus Prime Damage Version''' (Legends, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''EZ-09'''

: A "Battle Damaged" variant featured in the second wave of EZ Collection (the Japanese name for Legends class toys), with more elaborate, weathered paint applications.

: This redeco is also the first mold to utilize the slightly retooled Fuel Tank/elbow tabs, which is slightly smaller than the first release.

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[[File:ROTF-toy Legends PowerArmorPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's certainly power armor... the kind that hasn't been finished yet.]]
*'''Power Armor Optimus Prime''' (Legends, 2009)

:This [[redeco]] of Legends class Optimus Prime features a slightly darkened color scheme and red legs.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/LegPowerArmorOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Legends Power Armor Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:EZCollectionDefenderOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Here to mend and defend! ... hahaha, no, really, hand your face over. '''Now.''']]
*'''Defender Optimus Prime''' (EZ Collection, March 2010)

:A redeco of Legends Optimus Prime replacing his red plastic with more blue and silver, but sprucing things up a bit with red flame [[paint operation]]s. Defender Optimus Prime (ディフェンダーオプティマスプライム) was only available in Japan as part of their ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' promotion in March 2010. It was given away for free to customers who purchased ''Animated'' merchandise at Edion, Bic Camera and Yodobashi Camera stores.

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[[File:EZCollectionOptimusPrimeSpecialColor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime Clear Ver.''' (EZ Collection, April 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''EZ-21'''

:Optimus Prime Clear Ver. (オプティマスプライムクリアVer.) was only available blindpacked as part of TakaraTomy's EZ Collection Vol. 3. It is a clear version of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' mold, cast in (entirely colorless) clear plastic with opaque paint operations (which is the same paint mask from the original Legends Class toy albeit slightly darker) on the details. This redeco also uses the slightly small fuel tank/elbow tabs from the Battle Damaged release.

:The toy had a preliminary name: "Optimus Prime Tokubetsu Color" (オプティマスプライム特別カラー, "Optimus Prime Special Color").
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===Voyager Class toys===
{{anchor|ROTFvoyager}}[[File:ROTF Voyager OptimusPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Look! I got a tan! ''(Hasbro Version Pictured)'']]
[[File:TF-ROTF-Tokyo-Toy-Show-2009-Optimus-Prime-Revenge-Edition.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''(Tokyo Toy Show 2009 TakaraTomy Version Pictured)'']]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

:Voyager Optimus Prime is a [[redeco]] of the toy from the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|first movie's toyline]]. Like several redecos or retools of 2007 movie toys, there has been some effort to make this release noticeably different from the previous releases, though the toy ends up looking less accurate to the actual movie appearance than those previous releases. Optimus Prime has a sort of faded Autobot [[insignia|logo]] on the side of the truck's bunk, and kanji (Chinese characters) on the roof (ending up on his knee in robot mode.) The word "上海将军" means "Shanghai General", while "大将" means "Grand general". The beige-gray plastic used for this toy is similar to his Screen Battles toy, only with a slightly reddish hue.

:The Japanese version of the toy, named "Optimus Prime Revenge Edition", was exclusively available at Tokyo Toy Show 2009, and later also from [[e-HOBBY]]. Despite being sold in Hasbro packaging like the mass retail ''Revenge'' toys in Japan (plus the addition of Japanese stickers marking it as a Japanese market release and containing Japanese safety warnings and manufacturer information), it slightly differed from the Hasbro version insofar as it lacked the [[tampograph]]ed kanji lettering.

:::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/VoyagerOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Optimus Prime on TFU.info]''

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*'''Optimus Prime & Bumblebee''' (Two-pack, 2010)

:An unchanged version of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager-Class Optimus Prime (see above) was released in a two-pack, alongside with a slightly modified version of the ''Movie'' Deluxe-Class "[[Premium Series]]" [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#PrimeBee2Pack|Bumblebee]]. This two-pack has been confirmed to have been released in Malaysia and was apparently also sold in Indonesia and India.

:Like his pack-in mate Bumblebee, a near-identical [[knockoff]] of the 2-pack has been making the rounds since the 2010s, with Optimus Prime possessing a lighter shade of opaque blue paint on the thighs.

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[[File:ROTF Voyager DefenderOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Kaboom, yo. Ka-friggin-boom.]]
*'''Defender Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles

:This redeco of Voyager-Class Optimus Prime swaps out the red and some of the silver plastic with black and blue, changes the blue flames to red and silver, lightly nodding towards [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Generation 2|his Generation 2 Laser incarnation]].

:Defender Optimus Prime also comes with two packaging variants: aside from his default packaging, the other was packed in robot mode in a vertical packaging similar to the Leader Class figure.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/DefenderOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Defender Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:ROTF Voyager JetPowerOptimusPrime toy.jpg|upright=2.66|thumb|Use your friends wisely.]]
*'''Jet Power Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MR-01'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 rifle/smokestack-fuel tank assemblies, 2 missiles, sword, Jetfire armour parts

:''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: Unite for the Universe|Unite for the Universe]]'' Optimus Prime would have been a redeco of the 2007 Optimus Prime Voyager-Class mold in a similar style to the Leader-Class Buster Optimus Prime (see below), with a much more accurate and detailed paint scheme, including white stenciled flames. He would have come with a set of [[Jetfire (Movie)#Voyager Class toys|Jetfire]] armour parts to form the powered-up Optimus Prime seen at end of ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', and due to not having to form Jetfire's robot mode or his jet mode, the armour parts are far more accurate to the movie's design of them than the leader class Jetfire toy could manage. While not combined to Optimus Prime, the armour can be arranged to form a sort of weapon emplacement mode or a jet engine on the back of Optimus's vehicle mode.

:Both Jet Power Optimus Prime and the accompanying redeco of Voyager-Class ''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#UniteMegatron|Megatron]] would have come with an issue of the [[Unite for the Universe issue 1|''Unite for the Universe'' comic book]], but due to the cancellation of both figures, the comics were eventually included with the [[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Movie Masterpiece]] releases of Leader-Class [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Masterpiece|Starscream]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Masterpiece|Bumblebee]]. Of amusement is the fact the comics are essentially showcasing toys that have been canceled.

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[[File:ROTF mini figure Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|He won't be [[Decapitation|taking]] [[The Fallen|anybody]]'s faces at THAT size.]]
*'''Stratosphere''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-17'''

:Voyager-Class [[Stratosphere]] comes with a transformable Optimus Prime mini-figure that deploys from his cargo bay, based upon scenes from the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie. The articulation is limited to hinges on his arms, legs and shoulders, all three of them being contingent from his transformation.

:Towering at only barely over two inches, this was actually not just the smallest movie-verse Optimus but even the smallest transformable figure of Optimus Prime for a while - ironically enough, being even slightly tinier than the [[Smallest Transforming Transformers]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] - that is, until he was later "out-tinied" by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Q-Transformers|two]] [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Tiny Turbo Changers|other]] cute super deformed versions.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/MiniOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on mini Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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===Leader Class toys===
[[File:ROTF Leader OptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I will not stop telling you that I am Optimus Prime. Ever!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Leader, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-01'''

:''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Leader-class Optimus Prime is an entirely different mold from the first movie's Leader-class Optimus Prime.

:Like the previous Prime, it is loaded with features, though it ditches the first movie's [[Automorph Technology|Automorph]]ing for the new [[Mech Alive]] gimmick. When a grey tab on his midriff is pressed, Prime's entire pectoral region "flexes", lights in his chest and eyes glow, and he declares "I am Optimus Prime" in [[Peter Cullen]]'s voice. For the European release of the figure, to get past the language barrier, the Cullen sound clip is abbreviated to just "Optimus Prime"; in some regions, including Quebec and the UK (but only after a month or two), both versions were made available. A transformation sound effect activates when his torso is transformed, and once Prime is in truck mode, an almost unnoticeable button (a small square located beside the screw for the battery compartment, undocumented in his instructions) is revealed, which activates engine-idling noises.

:Each arm features flip-out blades that trigger when a button on the forearm is pressed. Each of these blades has a [[Cyberglyphics|Cyberglyphic]] symbol on it. The blades severely restrict Prime's arm articulation when retracted, as they get in the way of the kibble, but as there is very little one can do with Prime's arms without causing the blades to deploy, this is hardly noticeable.

:One detail not reflected in most of Hasbro's photos is that the sun visors above Prime's windows are mounted on ball joints and can be positioned like they are in his CG design. The hood halves on his arms can slide up on their hinges and the blue panels at the back of Prime's lower legs can be pulled out slightly as well for further screen accuracy.

:Overall, the robot mode of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' leader class Optimus Prime toy is slightly taller and considerably more athletic-looking than the 2007 ''Transformers'' Leader-class Optimus Prime toy.

[[File:ROTF Leader Jetfire PowerUpPrime toy.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Who's your daddy? He is.]]
:Optimus Prime can also combine with Leader-class [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]] to form Jetpower Optimus Prime by slightly transforming his backpack and feet. Sadly, this takes away from his leg articulation, because otherwise he could never support the massive backpack he has in this mode. However, fans have created alternate configurations that increase leg articulation and movie-accuracy.

:Like several new-mold ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toys, Optimus Prime suffers from some cost-cutting measures that affected the final production version of the mold. According to Hasbro's stock photos/back-of-box photo of the hand-painted [[prototype]], the toolboxes on the sides of his legs were designed to fold away further for a sleeker, cleaner look. Additionally, the rear tires would have been able to split in half, with the inner half of the tire going inside the outer half to recreate the thin tires seen on Prime's CG design. Some articulation was lost on the toy between Hasbro stock photography and the final release. His fingers are no longer articulated; instead, the entire hand is now one molded piece. Finally, the lower arms appear to have been originally designed so that his hands could slide in or out of them during transformation. Sadly, he also lacks rubber tires, which the original movie Prime did have. Meanwhile, the articulated fingers was later used for the ''Asia Premium Series'' & ''Movie The Best'' releases.

:As a result of striving for vehicle realism and painstaking accuracy to his visual portrayal in the live-action films, this Optimus Prime ends up being ridiculously complex. Transforming him back into a truck is probably more complicated than shown in the movie and can only be considered ''torture''. Very unfortunately, the [[instructions]] for this toy are infamous for being amazingly vague and unclear in their visual depiction of the transformation steps, making transformation even ''harder''. Also, let us not forget that, upon transforming him back to robot mode, he will declare his identity over and over and over and over and over until you're finished.

:The TakaraTomy release of Optimus Prime replaces the red plastic from his neck down to the middle of his pectorals with gray plastic. The smokestacks also are a different shade of gray, and are more opaque than the Hasbro release. This version can also attach [[Energon star]]s.

:The entire mold also became a victim of [[Knockoff|counterfeiting]], ranging from upscaled (and sometimes simpified) molds to high-quality clones. Several of his redecoes/retools below also suffers from this too.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Leader Class Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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*'''Limited Edition Optimus Prime''' (Leader, 2009)

:This release of Optimus Prime was available at the May 23, 2009 midnight launch of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toyline at the [[Shanghai]] Toys 'R' Us. Limited to 576 pieces, this piece was presented in a wooden box with a numbered certificate, Autobot sigil dog tag, and of course, the leader class Optimus Prime toy. The toy itself was unchanged.

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[[File:ROFTOptimusWCamshaft.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Who are you, again?]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' with '''Autobot Camshaft''' (Leader value pack, 2009)

: This [[Walmart]] exclusive value pack featured an unchanged Leader-class Optimus Prime sold with an unchanged [[Camshaft (Movie)|Camshaft]] from the first movie toyline. They came packaged in a special wider box and were sold for the same price as a normal Leader toy.

:Leader-class ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Megatron was available in a similar value pack at the same time, which likewise included Camshaft.

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[[File:ROTF Leader OptimusPrime BlackVersion.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|It's like Optimus and The Fallen had some illegitimate love child.....]]
*'''Optimus Prime Black Version''' (Leader, Japan 2009)

:An [[exclusive]] to Amazon.co.jp, this redeco of Optimus Prime is bundled with the Japanese release of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' DVD. He is another in a long line of [[black repaint]]s, swapping most of his red and blue plastic for black, some of his bright grey plastic for a cool grey and blue, and is covered with gold and silver flames. His orange blades are now translucent blue.

:TakaraTomy improved upon the original Leader-class Optimus Prime instruction sheet by including supplementary photographed steps that were previously vague or neglected in the original release.

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[[File:ROTF Leader BusterOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Reinforcing the belief that Takara makes better toys than Hasbro.]]
*'''Buster Optimus Prime''' (Leader, Japan 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-24'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 fuel tank/exhaust assemblies - combine into [[Ion blaster]]

:This version of Leader-class Optimus Prime features a new lower face sculpt that lacks a [[Mouthplate]], as well as the replacement of his fuel tank/exhaust assemblies with new, transforming versions that can combine into his ion blaster/barrage cannon. To the simultaneous pleasure and displeasure of people who had already purchased the first release of Leader-class ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Optimus Prime, Buster Optimus Prime features an extensive paint job that closely matches Prime's appearance on the big screen, including covering almost all of his grey plastic with silver paint or chrome, expanding and outlining all of the flame tampographs white for greater accuracy to [[Industrial Light & Magic|ILM]]'s computer model, and generally painting in small details, nooks and crannies that were neglected on the first release due to cost-cutting reasons. The red and blue plastic colors also vary from the original release, to better match his film appearance.

:As with Optimus Prime Black Version, Buster Optimus Prime uses the improved instructions.

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[[File:ROTF-JetpowerOptimusPrime2Pack-OptimusPrimetoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|There, my lips are gone. You all can stop stealing and repainting the original's head now.]]
*'''Jetpower Optimus Prime''' (Leader 2-pack, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' 2 fuel tank/exhaust assemblies - combine into [[Ion blaster]]
[[File:ROTF-JetpowerOptimusPrime2Pack-CombinedMode.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]

:This [[TakaraTomy]] Asian market-[[exclusive]] Leader Class two-pack consists of a redecoed [[Jetfire (Movie)#JetfireBuster|Jetfire]] and a slightly altered Buster Optimus Prime. Buster Optimus Prime is almost identical to the single-pack Japanese release of the toy, but unlike the standalone Buster Prime, has a head with a faceplate, itself containing more paint details than the first release of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Leader-class Optimus Prime. The flames are outlined with light blue instead of white for accuracy to the physical truck prop (though it ends up being inaccurate in robot mode). Jetfire has a subtle, more [[show-accuracy|movie-accurate]] colour scheme.

:Despite the fact that this is a TakaraTomy release, this version ''doesn't'' use the improved version of Optimus' [[instructions]], using instead the original (and less helpful) version.

This release of Buster Optimus Prime was susceptible to a paint scraping issue on the silver painted slide-out barrel of his blaster. This problem was fixed for the [[#DOTMJetfireBuster|DOTM Re-release]] by relocating the silver paint app from the barrel to the inside wall of an exposed gas tank that had been previously left as unpainted grey plastic. The black paint app on the barrel was left unchanged.

:In mid 2010, this set was released in Australia. In early 2011, it was released in the Philippines. In late 2011, [[#DOTMJetfireBuster|this set]] was [[Rebranding|re-released]] in ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[packaging]].

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[[File:FamilyMartClearColorPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Making one of the most complex Transformers ever entirely out of clear plastic? What could POSSIBLY go wrong?]]
*'''Optimus Prime Limited Clear Color Edition''' (Leader, 2010)

: This translucent plastic version of Leader class Optimus Prime is Prize A in a "Family Mart" convenient store chain competition beginning in October, [[2010]]. Punters can purchase entries into the competition for 500 yen each.

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*'''Optimus Prime Gold Version''' (Leader, 2010)
: This gold redeco of Leader Class Optimus Prime was offered as a Lucky Draw in the December 2009 edition of TV Magazine, and is limited to a mere 3 pieces, making it one of the lowest production run Lucky Draw Campaign Toys.

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===''Fast Action Battlers''===
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[[File:ROTF FAB OptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Two blades means ''twice'' the [[Decapitation|fun]]!]]
*'''Double Blade Optimus Prime''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:Double Blade Optimus Prime is an all-new [[Fast Action Battlers]] version of Optimus Prime, with a much more accurate sculpt and a less-inaccurate transformation. He features two spring-loaded energy swords and a projectile launcher with a single [[missile]].
:For [[design change|whatever reason]], his elbows have been molded so as not to bend, despite actually having real pinned elbow joints. The plastic section in the way, however, can be easily sliced out to restore full functionality.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/FABOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Double Blade Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:ROTF-toy FAB PowerArmorOptimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime was under the impression that melting bots down into different layers counted as armor. Those who questioned him were soon found with missing faces.]]
*'''Power Armor Optimus Prime''' (Fast Action Battler, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:Power Armor Optimus Prime is a [[redeco]] of Double Blade Optimus Prime, coloring much of the toy black. Intended to represent him combined with Jetfire.

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===''Battle Chargers''===
[[File:ROTF BattleChargers OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|It's the return of the bumper cars, only this time we can sit down.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Battle Charger, 2009)

:[[Robot Powered Machines|Battle Charger]] Optimus Prime is, much like the first movie line's [[Cyber Slammers]] Prime, a super-deformed truck from which a robot mode springs up as you play. The toy uses a [[pull-back motor]], and when pulled back and released, the toy's roof will flip open and Optimus Prime's cutesified robot mode will pop up.

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[[File:ROTFBattleChargersCyberArmorOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|Oh great, the front is silver. Well THAT'S a big difference...]]
*'''Cyber Armor Optimus Prime''' (Battle Charger, 2009)

:A redeco of the first Battle Charger with parts of the truck colored silver, such as the hood and hubcaps.

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===''Gravity Bots''===
[[File:ROTF GravityBots OptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Oh no, Optimus let himself go [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Energon|again]]!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Gravity Bot, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''GB-01'''

:''[[Gravity Bot]]s'' Optimus Prime is an extremely simplified version of Optimus with a small tab on the bottom of his feet so that when he is placed on his feet he automatically transforms robot mode. There is also one on his back side that will transform him to vehicle mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/GBOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Gravity Bots'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:ROTF-toy GravityBots BattleSteelPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|feeling' a little blue about the mass here.]]
*'''Battle Steel Optimus Prime''' (Gravity Bot, 2010)

:A redeco of ''Gravity Bots'' Optimus featuring a gray hood with red flames, which is inspired by his Defender redecoes.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/GBBattleSteelOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Gravity Bots'' Battle Steel Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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==''Transformers'' (2010)==
===Legends Class===
[[File:TF2010 ROTF Legends Fireburst Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime can't deal with you!]]
*'''Fireburst Optimus Prime''' (Legends Class, 2010)

:''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers]]: [[Hunt for the Decepticons]]'' Fireburst Optimus Prime is a redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Optimus Prime, with its coloration inspired by ''Generation 1'' Ultra Magnus. The toy retains all the functionality of the previous releases, including the undocumented ability to combine with Jetfire.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/FireburstOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Fireburst Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:TF-2010-VotF-Legends-Class-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Looks like we're surrounded, Jetfire." "Who's 'we', Autobot?"]]
*'''The Victory of The Fallen''' (Kmart Exclusive Legends Class 5-pack, 2010)

:Optimus Prime is a redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Optimus Prime with predominately red forearms and red/silver thighs, which it was meant to be a ''Generation 1''-inspired deco. He comes bundled with redecos of [[The Fallen#Transformers (2010)|The Fallen]], [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Legends Class toys 3|Megatron]], [[Jetfire (Movie)#Legends Class toys 2|Jetfire]], and [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Legends Class toys 3|Starscream]] in a [[Kmart]]-exclusive five-pack. To date, this is the only Hasbro release of this figure that acknowledges the combining feature between Jetfire and Optimus Prime.

:This redeco is also re-released as part of the ''Chronicle'' EZ Collection lineup. ([[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Chronicle|See below]].)

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[[File:EZCollectionVol5OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|EVILLLLLL PRIME.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (EZ Collection, 2010)

:This Japanese exclusive release of Optimus Prime features much more black coloring than the previous releases, and it's (coincidentally) based on the Fast Action Battlers Power Armor Optimus Prime toy, so as to be used with the similarly-repainted Legends Jetfire figure to form the Optimus' powered up combination. For some reason, he has red eyes. This redeco also uses the slightly small fuel tank/elbow tabs from the Battle Damaged release.
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===Voyager Class===
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[[File:Aa-01-battle-blades-prime-japanese-version.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I call these bad boys the [[Grindor (ROTF)|"face takers"]] ''(TakaraTomy version pictured)'']]
*'''Battle Blades Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2010)
**''TakaraTomy ID number:'' '''AA-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Matrix of Leadership, 2 Fuel Tank-Gun assemblies, removable Energon Swords

:Battle Blades Optimus Prime is a brand new sculpt that attempts to replicate his Leader Class design. He is much more movie accurate than the previous Voyager incarnations. He features two [[Dual Energon Swords|energon swords]] made of soft plastic, similar to his Leader Class incarnation, albeit not spring-loaded. They can be detached from the mushroom joints they're on, although doing this excessively may cause them to warp.

:He also has a removable [[Matrix of Leadership]] in his chest which is made of unpainted gray plastic. In an awesome homage, the Movie matrix rests on a stand molded to look like its G1 incarnation.

:His fuel tanks can also separate from the truck panels and become two [[barrage cannon]]s. Oddly enough, these guns are mentioned nowhere on the box even though they would normally be a selling point.

:The [[instructions]] neglect to mention that the entire roof of the cab is on a concealed hinge which greatly eases the difficulty of Prime's transformation. For whatever reason, the instructions treat the toy as if the hinge does not exist, going so far as to show Prime's head magically clipping through his chest to transform. The instructions also neglect to mention that his heel/bumper pieces must be slid out until they ''click'', making the figure just that bit more stable, and that the rotating truck door panels on his upper arms can be pulled further out (but not off) from their sockets, allowing more space for the panels to swing around his hood-arms during transformation. It should be noted that the chest windows on all releases of this sculpt are prone to slight cracking, often out of the packaging.

:The TakaraTomy "Autobot Alliance" release of this toy has some significant differences, including casting the red plastic in a darker shade, making his shin and wheel joints grey rather than Hasbro's bronze, painting the Matrix of Leadership silver, and swapping out the dual energon swords for battle hooks, similar to 2010's Leader Class Optimus Prime (see below). However, due to the Japanese release retaining the Hasbro packaging, the box still advertises the dual energon swords rather than the hooks. He retains the masked face used for the Hasbro release.

:This mold was also used to make ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Darkside Optimus Prime (DOTM)|Darkside Optimus Prime]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/BattleBladesOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Battle Blades Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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===Leader Class===
[[File:TF2010 ROTF LeaderOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Reinforcing the belief that Hasbro makes better toys than Takara.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, 2010)

:This retool of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Leader Class Optimus Prime features the head from Buster Optimus Prime and has had his blades replaced with semi-articulated Battle Hooks for face-destroying action! He has a darker paint job and sports black splotches on his body and head to signify battle damage. However, due to these extra "battle damage" paint applications, some other paint applications that were present on the Revenge of the Fallen release were omitted. He also sports a new voice box in robot mode, replacing the infamous "I am Optimus Prime!" with "We must stop the Decepticons!" The international release, however, retains the same abbreviated "Optimus Prime" sound clip as the original release. To the annoyance of many fans, this version was the main version released just about ''anywhere'' outside the United States (all of Canada, Latin America, Europe, and Asia). The box also mentions racing sounds, which may or may not be referring to the button-activated diesel engine noises carried over from the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' version of the figure.
:This version uses the TakaraTomy version of the instructions, which improved upon the original Leader-Class Optimus Prime instruction sheet by including supplementary photographed steps that were previously vague or neglected in the original release.

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[[File:TF2010-toy Activators OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|With just one button push, he's ready to steal your fa-I mean the cons' faces.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Activator, 2010)

:A small and simple toy, ''[[Activators]]'' Optimus Prime features [[autotransformation]] from truck to robot, activated by a button on his roof. It has no weapons or any other [[gimmick]]s. Then again, Prime's hands are molded into clenched fists.

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[[File:TF2010-toy Activators RallyRumbleOptimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime's Flash cosplay almost went swimmingly.]]
*'''Rally Rumble Optimus Prime''' (Activator, 2010)

:Rally Rumble Optimus Prime is a redeco of the first ''Activators'' toy above, in ''Generation 1''-inspired color scheme (at least for the truck mode) and rally-themed markings like lightning bolts and the number 01.

: During the period between [[December 26]] 2010 and [[January 31]] 2011, Hasbro ran their "[[Supercharge Your Holidays]]" promotion: for every $20 spent on Hasbro-branded product, customers could receive a free, random product from a list provided by Hasbro. Among the items on the list was "Transformers Activator & Speed Stars Mini Vehicle". According to [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75487 this discussion thread on Allspark.com], Rally Rumble Optimus Prime (as the figure is listed in the thread) was one of the figures distributed.
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==''EZ Collection Real''==
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*'''Optimus Prime (Real Color Ver.)''' (2011)
*'''Optimus Prime (Metallic Color Ver.)''' (2011)
:Released as part of The blindpacked ''EZ Collection Real'' by TakaraTomy's "TakaraTomy A.R.T.S", this Optimus Prime is an extensive redeco of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class figure, sharing the same paint mask with the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#LegendsBattleDamage|Battle Damaged]] figure sans the weathering. Like all land-based vehicles in this line, He features an extra paint applications on the wheels rims, which is only seen in the stock photo compared to the final product, which is left bare due to being molded with unpaintable plastic. This redeco also uses the slightly small fuel tank/elbow tabs.

:Like his EZ Collection Real brethren, Optimus Prime comes with two different variants: The "Real Color" features a flat shade on the plastic colors and paint, while the "Metallic Color" features metallic paint and plastic instead.

:Stock photos showed that his blue paint applications being brighter. This could be a trick of a lightning, since the final product's blue paint applications is still the same dark blue color seen in the Battle Damaged figure.
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==''Dark of the Moon''==
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[[File:DOTM CyberverseCommander OptimusPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=2|Steer clear of hanging cables.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2011)
**''Series:'' '''1'''
**''Number:'' '''001'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV04'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Jet pack]], two rifles, 3-D glasses (Preview Pack)

:Released as part of the first wave of the [[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]] Commander class figures, this Optimus Prime is a roughly Scout-sized figure.He comes with a jetpack that can combine with both his truck and robot modes. The jetpack attaches via [[C joint]] clips, and the jetpack can transform in and out of a winged configuration when Optimus is in truck mode. Optimus himself features C joint bars for his smokestacks and trailer hitch, as well as bars on the top of his headache rack, while his hands and jetpack can hold/mount his rifles via C joint-related 3mm clips/holes.

[[File:DOTM 3DPreview Cyberverse OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|right|150px|These glasses allow Optimus to see the aliens in his midst. Wait a minute..]]
:Optimus was first released as a "Limited Edition Preview" in [[Calendar|March]] [[2011]], over two months before the full release of the ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' toyline on [[May 16]], 2011. He comes packaged with a pair of {{w|Anaglyph image|Anaglyph}} 3-D glasses for use on the transformers.com website, but they cannot be used to view 3D movies in cinemas.

:This toy is also notorious for being a shelfwarmer in a small number of Walmart stores for 8 years.

:The figure also saw regular release, with no changes of the figure but lacks 3D glasses.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/CommanderOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Cyberverse Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:DOTM CyberverseActionSet OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Perfect for fighting queen xenomorphs.]]
*'''Optimus Prime / Armored Weapons Platform''' (Cyberverse Action Set, 2011)
**''Series:'' '''1'''
**''Number:'' '''004'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV12'''
**''Accessories:'' Missile

:This release is a redeco of the Cyberverse Commander Optimus Prime figure, with a lighter gradient paint job that lacks the flames, and with Optimus sporting a G1 insignia. Instead of his jetpack and guns, he comes with his trailer/[[Armored Weapons Platform#Cyberverse|Armored Weapons Platform]], which can transform into a base and exo-suit. The trailer itself features movie-style insignias.

:Like the other Cyberverse Action sets, there is an included cardboard backdrop for display.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/AWPOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Armored Weapons Platform Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:DOTMCVComBattleSteelOptimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"WHAT'S THAT? WHAT DID YOU SAY? I CAN'T HEAR YOU WITH THESE MASSIVE CANNONS FIRING BESIDE MY HEAD!"]]
*'''Battle Steel Optimus Prime''' (Cyberverse Commander, 2011)
**''Series:'' '''1'''
**''Number:'' '''008'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV20'''
**''Accessories:'' Dual Cannons, two Energy Swords

:This release is ''another'' redeco of Cyberverse Optimus Prime, this time with a predominately navy scheme with black accents (which vaguely resembles his Generation 1 colors), and a pair of [[barrage cannon]]s that can be either held or mounted on his smokestacks, as well as a pair of [[Dual Energon Swords|handheld swords]]. He is compatible with all his previously released Cyberverse accessories, but not all at once.

:The official [[stock photography|stock photo]] of the toy in its packaging featured its name as simply "Optimus Prime", but the final version of the toy available at retail is named "Battle Steel Optimus Prime". He is also mis-transformed in the [[stock photography|stock photo]] to the right: His legs haven't been extended.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/CommanderBSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Battle Steel Optimus Prime at TFU.info]
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[[File:DOTMBITMCVACOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Fighting evil by moonlight / winning love by daylight / never running from a real fight / He is the one named Sailor Prime.]]
*'''Battle in the Moonlight''' (Cyberverse multi-pack, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Missile

:A [[Walmart]] exclusive set featuring a [[redeco]] of Optimus Prime in swapped red and blue with light gray and his Cyberverse [[Armored Weapons Platform#Battleinthemoonlight|Armored Weapons Platform]] in dark "night sky" themed colors and stickers.

:The set also includes redecoes of [[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Battleinthemoonlight|Ratchet]] and [[Crankcase (DOTM)#Battleinthemoonlight|Crankcase]], as well as a large, badly photoshopped diorama featuring a photo of a daytime city with a night backdrop and a ruined Dodge Neon on the right side, complete with Dodge insignia.

:The [[stock photography]] shows the trailer with an intentional defacement mark that does not appear on the retail release. Oops.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/WMCommanderOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Battle at the Moonlight Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:DOTMUGCVCOptimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime in his early [[Units of time|cycle]]s. His interest in playing Autocops and Robbercons seemed so innocent back then...]]
*'''Ultimate Gift Set''' (Cyberverse multi-pack, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Jetpack, two rifles

:A [[Walmart]] [[exclusive]] set featuring a [[redeco]] of the first Cyberverse Commander Optimus Prime figure, featuring moderately brighter colors and paint, while his jetpack and rifles are now black, with the jetpack's wings having silver flames. He also lacks the flame pattern on top of his hood, and features different flame patterns on the sides of the hood.

:As with Battle Steel Optimus Prime, his legs haven't been extended in the stock photo. His Jetpack/rifle combo is also installed in the wrong way.

:He comes in a 5-pack with redecos of [[Crowbar#Ultimategift|Crowbar]], [[Powerglide (DOTM)#Ultimategift|Powerglide]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Ultimategift|Bumblebee]], and [[Sideswipe (Movie)#Ultimategift|Sideswipe]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/WMUGSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Ultimate Gift Set Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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===Deluxe Class toys===
{{anchor|walmartdlx}}[[File:DOTM Optimus Deluxe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Energon Battle Axe

:Exclusive to [[Walmart]], this Deluxe Class Optimus Prime is an all-new mold, close in scale to Voyager Class [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 4|Megatron]]. He has a high range of motion, with ball jointed shoulders and hips, swivels at the neck, knees, and feet, and double swivels in the elbows. As a result of the transformation process, he can also rotate at the waist, though this is hindered considerably by his "backpack" [[kibble]]. This can be remedied by pointing the truck nose downward, as it is in the packaging. Optimus Prime also features the spring loaded "Automorph" feature in his head, if the truck kibble pushes the small grey switch from his back before splitting the chest into half. And due to how close the head of the faceplate and the front unpaintable piece is, Optimus' "nose" section has a tendency to chip off after many transformations.

:Optimus Prime features a [[MechTech]] Blaster that can convert into an Energon Battle Axe reminiscent of the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Generation 1 character]]'s [[Energon-axe|iconic weapon]], though the weapon cannot be locked in battle axe mode. There is also a pair of C joint rods on the underside of both forearms. His MechTech blaster can plug into the port on each of his arms or be held in either hand in robot mode, or plug into one of two holes on his truck roof/robot shoulders.

:After step 5, the instructions did not mention that you should fold back the shoulder panels to form the sleeper part until the 11th step. Care must be taken while transforming the legs: the small peg located on the lower leg can be snapped off due to the peg being slightly thick to accommodate with the hole. Also, take note that Optimus Prime cannot wield 5mm weapons with longer posts, as the way that his pinky finger is molded prevents the post from pegging down through his hands. Also, take note that the legs' sculpted small rectangle peg (the one that locks the robot mode legs in place) is prone to warping if care is not taken during transformation.

:The hand-painted prototype photos from both the packaging and the instructions shows that Prime had long smokestacks, but it was shortened for safety reasons in the final product.

:His MechTech weapon was redecoed from [[Mudflap (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 3|Mudflap]]'s weapon. This figure is currently being sold in Universal theme parks in new packaging based on the ride. He is advertised as a Universal Studios Exclusive, despite having no visible changes from his original widespread release.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/WMDlxOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Dark of the Moon Deluxe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:DOTMLunarfireOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Yes, the only image we could get of this Wal-Mart exclusive is from a data book released in a country where the toy didn't even come out. Note: astronaut not included.]]
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*'''Lunarfire Optimus Prime''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Ion Blaster/Cannon

:This redeco of the aforementioned Deluxe Class Optimus Prime toy is also exclusive to Walmart, features gold flames and highlights, as well as more prominent blue areas. He comes packed with a red version of ''Dark of the Moon'' MechTech Voyager Class Optimus Prime's Ion Blaster/Cannon.

:Apart from the package art, Lunarfire Optimus Prime's stock photos are extremely difficult to find with an exception of the one included in the magazine pictured here.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/WMLFOPtimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Dark of the Moon Lunarfire Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (MILK Magazine exclusive Deluxe, 2011)
*'''Optimus Prime (Black)''' (MILK Magazine exclusive Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Mechtech Blaster/Energon Battle Axe
:These Redecos of the aforementioned Deluxe Class Optimus prime are exclusives to Hong Kong's [[Milk Magazine]]. They are officially licensed items produced in association with Hasbro Hong Kong to celebrate the magazines' 10th year anniversary in [[2011]].

The "Standard" version sports an extremely detailed "premium" and screen-accurate paint job, while the Black version sports a black deco that makes him look very much like [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|if he is dead]].

Each figure was sold separately in a black box with a black movie Optimus Prime silhouette that is visible thanks to the the "Exclusive Optimus Prime" and the Milk's 10th anniversary logo. The outside of the box prevents anyone from seeing the figure inside, meaning that you have to open to see if the version that you've got is the "Standard" version or the Black version.

They come packed with the same Mechtech weapon from the first release. The stock photos shows the gun with the same colors from the first release of the mold but all chromed all over when in reality it's all silver.
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===Voyager Class toys===
{{Note|All Japanese releases of the toy (excluding prize figures) come with a character card and an accompanying transparent plastic card of his MechTech weapon for the MechTech Wars online game.}}
[[File:DOTM Voyager OptimusPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.77|Yeah, I'm compensating... for YO MOMMA.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (MechTech Voyager, 2011)
**''Japanese Name'': '''Space Optimus Prime'''
**''Japanese Release Date'': [[2011]]-[[July 16|07-16]]
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA-17'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Ion Blaster/Battle Cannon

:''Dark of the Moon'' Voyager Class Optimus Prime is an all-new mold. He features heatshield details in his sculpting and translucent solar panels on various parts of his body and huge gas tanks. Optimus himself is differently proportioned, having larger feet and a smaller torso and arms. He also features some [[Kibble#"Faux-parts"|faux-kibble/parts]]: His actual windshield chest is being covered by a sculpted panel featuring his characteristic deformed windshield-chest, and a pair of sculpted tires on his thighs. His pair of optics is designed to have a light-piping gimmick, but it was rendered useless since it was painted in smoke gray on top of the colorless transparent plastic.

:He comes with a large [[MechTech]] Ion Blaster that can convert into a "Battle Cannon". Like all of the MechTech Voyager class toys, this deployed form can lock into place. Specifically, the weapon must be pressed all the way in and rotated to lock it.

:In Japan, he was released as "Space Optimus Prime",

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information of ''Dark of the Moon'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:TF-DOTM-MechTech-DA-03-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Omae no kao o kure!]]
*'''Optimus Prime / MechTech Trailer''' (MechTech Voyager, [[May 14]], 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA-03'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Ion Blaster/Energy Blade, MechTech trailer

:Release exclusively in Japan, This Optimus Prime is a [[retool]] of the figure above, removing the heat shield and solar panels, as well as replacing any rocket booster parts (such as his heels) and gas tanks with normal truck parts. His light-piping eyes are painted in translucent light blue.

:He also has a new [[MechTech]] Ion blaster with a flip-out [[Dual Energon Swords|Energon Sword]], and like all Voyager Class MechTech weapons, it can lock into place by latching one of the levers to the body of the gun.

:His MechTech [[Armored Weapons Platform#Voyager Class toys|trailer]] opens up much like Generation 1 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]]'s trailer (as well as being able to stand up to harken back to the Generation 1 [[Combat Deck (G1)|Combat Deck]]'s upright mode), includes storage for many MechTech weapons inside and out, and is able to transport up to two Deluxe class (or one smaller Voyager) Autobots.

:The flame deco on Optimus' forearm parts (hidden by the wheels) are flipped in the stock photos, which is present in the vehicle mode. The updated version of the photo (seen in the packaging) features the correct deco. Meanwhile, all of the stock photos of the Ion Blaster/Energy Blade (sans the extra step instruction) depicts the blade as a painted opaque piece.

:The instructions also depict his fuel tank assemblies being positioned like the first figure's gas tanks, though you can swivel them frontwards for a better appearance, as seen in the stock photo.

:The figure omits the extended pieces of the side doors in vehicle mode (the ones which can be seen above the gas tanks in robot mode), leaving the sides of the robot mode's chest exposed. There was a variant version which has the extended pieces, covering the gaps behind the front wheels in truck mode.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze-p4S9Lm7c]</ref>

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[[File:DOTMtoy-OptimusPrimeVoyagerwithComettor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''They don't want to hurt me<br>
''Or my dad or my mom.<br>
''All they want to do is<br>
''Take me to the prom.'']]

*'''Optimus Prime''' / '''Includes Deluxe Class Comettor''' (Multi-pack, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Matrix of Leadership, 2 fuel tank gun assemblies, removable Battle Hooks

:This [[Walmart]]-[[exclusive]] redeco and retool of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]] [[#Voyager Class toys 3|"Battle Blades" Optimus Prime toy]] features the Japanese release's hooks (instead of swords), plus an all-new [[mouthplate]]-less, mouthed face. As part of the set's lunar theme, reflections of stars are painted across his vehicle mode sides and on his windshield, with a sharp reflection of [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] in one of his windows. This time, his [[Matrix of Leadership]] is cast in orange plastic.

:This exclusive has a peculiar and common error in that the arm hooks' hubs stick out farther than they should, causing a gap that runs down the middle of the cab's nose in vehicle mode.

:This Optimus Prime cannot tow the [[Armored Weapons Platform#Voyager Class toys|Mechtech trailer]], as the original mold has no trailer hitch to begin with.

:Optimus comes with a "bonus value" Deluxe Class toy, [[Comettor (DOTM)|Comettor]]. The pair together cost a dollar less than a regular Voyager Class toy. It was also available at Galeria Kaufhof department stores in Germany, with Comettor ''not'' highlighted as a "bonus" figure.

:In [[Australia]], this release was available at [[Kmart]] for a considerably lower price than a regular Voyager Class toy.

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[[File:DOTM MechTechVoyager FireburstOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Give me your..."<br>''[Deploys axe]''<br>"'''SOUL!!'''"]]
*'''Fireburst Optimus Prime''' (MechTech Voyager, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA24'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Rifle/[[Cybertanium]] Battle Axe

:Fireburst Optimus Prime is a redeco of the standard ''Dark of the Moon'' Voyager Class Optimus Prime, sporting a darker shade of blue and a "burning" color scheme that includes replacing all translucent blue parts with translucent orange. Because of this, his light-piping eyes were neutered by opaque light blue paint.

:He comes with a MechTech rifle that converts into a large battle axe, and can be locked in by pulling the lever all the way in and tilting it into a gap to the left. The rifle has a separate flip-out handle, while the axe uses the rifle's long barrel as the handle, meaning that Optimus can grip the axe with both of his hands. This weapon was also retooled in a running change, adding a stop to the handle instead of relying solely on the gear system to prevent the locking assembly from flying off into parts unknown.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/FireburstOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Fireburst Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:DOTM Voyager LuckyDraw TritaniumOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Tritanium Optimus Prime''' (MechTech Voyager, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Ion Blaster/Energy Blade, MechTech trailer

:This gold [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] version of Voyager Class ''Dark of the Moon'' Optimus Prime (with [[Armored Weapons Platform#TritaniumPrime|trailer]]) is a prize in [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]] campaign. To qualify for winning this toy, one needed to have entered all three ''Dark of the Moon'' campaigns (beginning on [[May 14]], 2011). This toy is limited to 100 pieces.

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*'''Optimus Prime vs. Shockwave''' (MechTech Voyager-Class two-pack, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Ion Blaster/Battle Cannon

: This [[Costco]]-[[exclusive]] two-pack contains an unchanged ''Dark of the Moon'' Voyager Class Optimus Prime alongside [[Shockwave (Movie)#CyberArmour|a unique redeco of Voyager-Class Shockwave]].

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[[File:DOTMVoyOptimusStreetsideBotBrawl.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Streetside Bot Brawl''' (Multi-pack, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Cybertronian Cannon A, Cybertronian Cannon B

:Part of the [[Toys"R"Us]]-exclusive "Streetside Bot Brawl" three-pack, this is a battle-damaged redeco of the initial ''Dark of the Moon'' Optimus Prime toy. Unlike the other figures in this set, Optimus received a different set of MechTech weapons from his standard release: he was given redecos of [[Laserbeak (DOTM)#Dark of the Moon|Laserbeak]]'s cannons.

:He was sold with a grey and purple redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Voyager-Class [[Shockwave (Movie)#StreetsideBotBrawl|Shockwave]] and a battle-damaged redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe-Class [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#StreetsideBotBrawl|Bumblebee]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2011/Autobot/TRUSBBOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Streetside Bot Brawl Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Cybertron-Con-2012-Voyager-OP.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Don't mind me, just pelvic thrusting over here.]]
*'''Optimus Prime with Mechtech Trailer Special Edition/Optimus Prime Universal Studios Edition''' (Cybertron Con 2012 exclusive, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Ion Blaster/Energy Blade, MechTech trailer

:Available as a [[Cybertron Con 2012]] exclusive, this Optimus Prime is a redeco of the Takara Tomy retool of the Voyager Class figure. While the individual Optimus figure shares the same paint operations, his trailer was decorated with a Universal Studios & Transformers: The Ride logo patterns. It included a new collector coin.

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===Leader Class toys===
{{anchor|StrikerOptimus}}[[File:DOTMSupremeStrikerOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Mobile Armored Strike Kommander.]]
*'''Striker Optimus''' (MechTech Leader, [[November 17]] 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA28'''
**''Accessories:'' Eliminator Gun & Assault Blaster (forms [[Mega Striker]]), shield/battle shield

: Labeled as a "[[Triple Changer]]", Striker Optimus is a redeco and retool of ''Dark of the Moon'' Supreme Class Jetwing Optimus Prime, with new weapons. The base figure has most of the same mold changes as Jetwing Optimus Prime (see below), but has been altered further; in particular, the transforming smokestacks and fuel tanks/ion blaster parts have been replaced with retooled regular tanks that now function as mounts for the new accessories. The colors on the toy are darker than Jetwing Optimus, with a different flame deco that extends farther along the sides of the toy. Additionally, two new 5mm holes have been added to the gray hinge behind the cab in order to accommodate the [[Toys"R"Us|Toys"R"Us Japan]]-exclusive battle blade accessories. The "I am Optimus Prime" saying of Buster Optimus Prime has also been replaced with the "We must stop the Decepticons!" saying of 2010 ''Transformers'' Optimus Prime, although batteries are not included.

:He comes with a shield with a fold-out handle, allowing Optimus to hold onto it with either hand in robot mode. It has a simple transformation gimmick for vehicle mode which is activated by pressing a button at the top of the shield, causing the sides to spring outwards. In vehicle mode, the shield can be laid flat across the bed of the truck, attaching via a post on the back onto the truck’s trailer hitch. Alternatively, the bumpers on the shield can be rotated outwards, and the front can be bent down in order to form a new front end and hood for "battle vehicle mode", resembling the [[Stealth Force]] vehicle modes seen in ''Dark of the Moon''.

:The figure also comes with two gun accessories, the "Eliminator Gun" and "Assault Blaster", which combine into the "Mega Striker", a rifle that closely resembles the one used in ''Dark of the Moon''. The separate guns also have a MechTech-style transformation, and pulling a lever transforms them into alternate crossbow-like shapes. In "battle vehicle mode", the sides of the truck are rotated up, and the guns can be attached by small pegs to holes in the modified smokestacks, or they can plugged into any of the standard connection points with their [[5 mm post|5mm post]]s... except the ones on the hinge behind the cab, since those are supposed to be for his Energon battle blades.

:As with all Japanese ''Dark of the Moon'' releases, this set comes packed with a character card and an accompanying transparent plastic card of his new rifle in its combined mode for the MechTech Wars online game.

:Due to the remolding of the smokestacks, Striker Optimus cannot use the Jetwing pack in robot mode.

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*'''Jetpower Optimus Prime''' (Leader 2-pack, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' 2 fuel tank/exhaust assemblies - combine into [[Ion blaster]]

:A re-release of the [[#JetfireBuster|Jetpower Optimus Prime two-pack]], this time in ''Dark of the Moon''-branded packaging.

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[[File:Rotf_vs_dotm_jet_power_buster_optimus_prime_blaster_paint_apps.jpg|left|upriught=1.4|thumb|left|ROTF Buster/Jetpower silver painted barrel vs. DOTM Jetpower unpainted grey plastic barrel.]]

The DOTM packaging release of this 2-pack features an altered paint application on Optimus Prime's ion blaster/barrage cannon. On the original ROTF packaging release, the slide-out barrel on Prime's blaster is painted silver with a black paint spray app to simulate usage of the weapon, and the exposed inside wall of the gas tank at the top of the blaster is left as unpainted grey plastic (exactly like the blaster on the original single-boxed ROTF Buster Optimus Prime). After receiving numerous reports from customers that the silver paint on the slide-out barrel was easily scraped off by merely transforming it from gas tank to blaster, Takara-Tomy briefly stated in an interview that they had addressed the issue for the Dark of the Moon packaged version by swapping the placement of the silver paint application. Thus, the Dark of the Moon packaged version now features the slide-out barrel on Prime's blaster as unpainted grey plastic with an unchanged black paint spray app to simulate usage of the weapon, and the exposed inside wall of the gas tank at the top of the blaster is now painted silver.

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*'''Optimus Prime versus Megatron''' (Leader 2-pack, 2012)
:A re-release of the ''Movie'' Leader Class toy, Optimus Prime comes in a Taiwanese-exclusive two-pack alongside the ''Movie'' Leader Class [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#DOTMMovie2Pack|Megatron]] toy.

===Supreme Class toys===
[[File:DOTM MechTech JetwingOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Insert [[John DiMaggio|Aquaman]]'s rousing song of heroism right here.]]
*'''Jetwing Optimus Prime''' (MechTech Supreme, Australia: [[June 11]], Japan: [[June 18]]-[[June 19|19]] 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA15'''
**''Accessories:'' Tank A & Tank B (forms Ion Blaster), Jetwing jet pack, Arm Gatling Cannon A & B, Leg Armor A & B

:Jetwing Optimus Prime is a retool of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Leader class Buster Optimus Prime, with an accompanying large jet pack and massive dual Gatling Cannons. The base Optimus Prime figure has several modifications including: a new stomach area and elbow flares to reflect the changes to Optimus Prime's CG model in ''Dark of the Moon'', modified lower arms to incorporate MechTech ports and clips for the cannons, and a retooled area under his back so the jet pack can fit on more securely. The dual energon blades mounted on his arms have been removed. The toy retains Buster Optimus Prime's electronics, but batteries are not included.

:The Jetwing jet pack attaches onto Optimus Prime via a part that hooks onto one of the hinges behind his neck, and a spring-loaded clamp that latches onto a recessed area under Optimus' back. The fuel tanks that form Optimus' Ion Blaster must be removed for this mode, and they can be stored inside the engines for the jet pack. The Jetwing can be used on previous Leader Optimus Primes from ''Revenge of the Fallen'' onwards, but due to the lack modifications seen in Jetwing Optimus Prime, the combination isn't as stable. The jet pack features four MechTech ports on the main wing articulation points, and two [[C joint]] mounting points on each wing. The Gatling Cannons both feature two MechTech ports and 2 C joint mounts on either side of each cannon.

:The design of the Jetwing jet pack and its cannons were based upon earlier concept art for Optimus Prime's flight tech for ''Dark of the Moon'', and as such are not accurate to how his equipment appears in the movie itself.

:As with all Japanese ''Dark of the Moon'' releases, this set comes packed with a character card and an accompanying transparent plastic card of his MechTech weapon for the MechTech Wars online game.

:Jetwing Optimus Prime was available for early purchase in Japan at the International Tokyo Toy Show 2011 (held at Tokyo Bic Sight) on [[June 18]] to [[June 19|19]], shortly before its wide release in July.

:However, the toy was available in [[Australia]] a week before the Tokyo Toy Show, packaged in translated English packaging and instructions by Tomy Asia.

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*'''Jetwing Optimus Prime Black Version''' (MechTech Supreme, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Tank A & Tank B (forms Ion Blaster), Jetwing jet pack, Arm Gatling Cannon A & B, Leg Armor A & B

:Jetwing Optimus Prime Black Version was to have been a Japanese raffle prize exclusive to Circle K<ref>http://tyouhen2.seesaa.net/article/194776966.html</ref> stores, along the lines of the clear ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Leader Optimus Prime (see above). No official information about it or the other raffle prizes ever appeared after the initial images surfaced.

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[[File:DOTMDarkNightwatchJetwingOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Despite his [[Scourge (RID)#Notes|color]], we can assure you this one is not a bad guy.]]
*'''JETWING OPTIMUS PRIME Black Ver.''' (MechTech Supreme, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Tank A & Tank B (forms Ion Blaster), Jetwing jet pack, Arm Gatling Cannon A & B, Leg Armor A & B

:JETWING OPTIMUS PRIME Black Ver. is a black, teal, and [[Vacuum metallizing|chrome]] redeco of Jetwing Optimus Prime exclusive to the Asian market. He appears to have been based on the cancelled TakaraTomy contest prize Jetwing Optimus Prime Black Version (see above), with a few color alterations here and there, plus the obvious addition of chrome. It was originally solicited by online retailers as the far goofier-sounding "Dark Nightwatch Jetwing Optimus Prime".

:It comes in packaging identical to TakaraTomy's Jetwing Optimus Prime figure, with the exception of an additional sticker on the front denoting the toy's name.

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[[File:DOTMtoy-JetwingOptimusPrimeAmazon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|''Violently'' shoots rainbow-colored Nerf darts when fired.]]
*'''Jetwing Optimus Prime''' (MechTech Supreme, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' Tank A & Tank B (forms Ion Blaster), Jetwing jet pack, Arm Gatling Cannon A & B, Leg Armor A & B

:This redeco of Jetwing Optimus Prime is a North American [[Amazon (website)|Amazon.com]] and 2013 [[Black Friday (event)|Black Friday]] [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive. Among other deco changes, he features Generation 1-style trailer stripes on his Jetwing jet pack, Movie-style flame color gradient on his Gatling Cannons, and [[AllSpark Power]] blue paint on the mechanical detailing.

:The box seems to have been created rather hastily from the Japanese original. It is roughly identical to the Tomy release, but with the Japanese text edited out... mostly. Random Japanese text remains floating in space on the top of the back panel and underneath the "Jetwing Optimus Prime" name on the front. Curiously, the left flap has been rewritten to eliminate mention of [[NEST]] and the jetpack's ability to detach, while the right flap has been (badly) edited to remove all mentions of [[MechTech]].

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===Ultimate===
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[[File:DOTM UltimateOptimusPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Truck forearms of '''DOOM'''!]]
*'''Ultimate Optimus Prime''' (MechTech Ultimate, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA32'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Omega Combat Armor, MechTech Ultimax Super Cannon

:Billed on his packaging as "BIGGEST Optimus Prime Toy!", Ultimate Optimus Prime consists of an articulated tractor-trailer. The cab can transform into a "normal" Optimus Prime on its own, roughly equivalent to a Voyager in size and complexity, though with a lower degree of screen-accuracy than most large Optimus toys. Prime has 5mm fist holes, as well as additional 5mm ports on his front wheel wells and both sets of external fuel tanks. Four of these remain available in robot mode. The trailer has twelve more 5mm ports. Despite this, the toy comes with no weapons scaled such that the cab-only robot can usefully wield them.

:The real selling point of the toy, however, is the colossal Omega Combat Armor. [[Armored Weapons Platform#Ultimate|Optimus' trailer]] transforms into nearly two feet of limb extensions, armor, and wings. The armor remains completely integrated (except for the Ultimax Super Cannon) during transformation, with no [[Partformer|partsforming]], although this renders the final power-up robot mode somewhat limited in articulation, having no leg articulation whatsoever aside from swinging the hips out slightly and twisting at the ankles for maximum stability. The armor adds six more 5mm ports of dubious utility around the feet, retains the four from the cab robot and the eight from the trailer (on the backs of the wings), and has his own pair of 5mm fist holes. In trailer mode, it can support itself using folding blue landing gear, although the attached ball-jointed struts make it somewhat less than realistic.

:The centerpiece of the power-up robot mode is Prime's gigantic Ultimax Super Cannon, an electronic light-and-sound weapon the size and mass of a Deluxe figure. The whole cannon attaches to a special socket slightly behind Prime's shoulders, can store on the back or flip over to be gripped in both fists in armor mode, or stored upside-down underneath the trailer in truck mode. When pointed forward, the cannon has a larger helmet styled after Prime's own with a large translucent face shield featuring a painted targeting system. The weapon has three electronic modes: each of two small buttons plays its own weapon-firing noise and flashes one set of lights, while the large pull-switch in the cannon's center plays the sounds of a powerful barrage, flashing both sets of lights and (every third time) finishing off with the declaration "I am Optimus Prime". The Ultimax Super Cannon also has two of its own 5mm ports for even more MechTech firepower. When mounted on his back, the Cannon has two hook-like sections that securely lock into the "backpack", allowing the Ultimax weapon to serve as a handle for Optimus' imaginary "flight" operations.

:Although the trailer is made exclusively for the cab with which it comes, it is scaled much more closely to and can be pulled by Optimus Prime's ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Leader class iteration.

:In Japan, Ultimate Optimus Prime comes with a character card and an accompanying transparent plastic card of his MechTech weapon for the MechTech Wars online game.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/UltimateOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Ultimate Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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*'''Ultimate Optimus Prime''' (MechTech Ultimate, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Omega Combat Armor, MechTech Ultimax Super Cannon

:Available exclusively at [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] and their booth at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2011, this version of Ultimate Optimus Prime is presented in vehicle mode, packaged into a large, foil-embossed bubble packaging (similar to late ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' packaging) styled after Optimus Prime's trailer, with an additional foil-embossed sleeve styled after the hood of Optimus Prime's truck. Exclusive to this release is a set of stickers one can apply to [[Armored Weapons Platform#SDCCUltimatePrime|the trailer]]. The toy itself is otherwise identical to the regular retail release.

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[[File:DOTMtoy-UltimateOptimusPrimeYOTD.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Oh, there's ''going'' to be fireworks...]]
*'''Ultimate Optimus Prime''' (MechTech Ultimate, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Omega Combat Armor, MechTech Ultimax Super Cannon

:This is a redeco of Ultimate Optimus Prime. While Prime himself only features a red grill, the [[Armored Weapons Platform#YOTDPrime|trailer]] has been extensively redecoed, with an ornate golden Chinese dragon being painted on the trailer panels, and the various gray parts of the trailer panels, armor, and cannon being replaced by blue, red, gold, and burgundy. The toy was released as a "{{w|Dragon (zodiac)|Year of the Dragon}}" Special Edition in [[2012]], since the Chinese Zodiac sign for that year is the Dragon.

:This toy was later made available in North America as an Amazon.com exclusive.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/YOTDOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Year of the Dragon Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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===''Robo Power''===
====''Activators''====
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (2011)
:As with other Dark of the Moon Activators toys, this Optimus Prime (released under the [[Robo Power]] subline) is a very simple one-step transformation toy. You simply slam him down on the big blue button on the back end of his truck mode and he transforms thanks to spring-loaded mechanisms. To transform him back, just slam him down again on the same blue button.

:Shockingly, he actually has arm articulation! Swivels at his shoulders allow you to rotate his arms 360 degrees! Go little Prime! Unfortunately, because his big blue button sits right under his feet, his robot mode is a little unstable when it comes to standing.

:Prime was packaged in vehicle mode on an open, bubble-less card and tied down with twist-ties around the body of his truck form so that he couldn't be transformed in package.
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====''Bash Bots''====
[[File:TF-DOTM-Bash-Bots-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Autobot.]]
*'''Optimus Prime Vs Starscream''' (2011)

:''Bash Bots'' Optimus Prime is a small, rock-em-sock-em-styled toy that transforms from a super-deformed truck into a robot by pulling or pushing the lever below it's built-in stand. He & his stand can connect with any Bash Bots to fight with, especially the included Starscream (instead of his nemesis Megatron).

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====''Go-Bots''====
[[File:DOTMGoBotsOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|woobwoobwoobwoobwoob]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2011)
:[[Robo Power#Go-Bots|Go-Bot]]s Optimus Prime is built around the same pull-back and auto-transform mechanisms as all the ''Dark of the Moon'' Go-Bots toys. Prime's pull-back motor can be used in either robot or vehicle mode.

:In robot mode, the motor gimmick really comes to the fore—his head, shoulders, and legs move in time with his forward movement. His legs pump up and down, his shoulders pump up and down, and his head rocks side-to-side. This gives the toy the illusion that it's running, rather than just rolling.

:The other gimmick for Prime is his auto-transform gimmick. From truck mode, push him down on his back bumper and his bonnet automatically folds back and his arms automatically pop out. He needs to be transformed back manually.

:In robot mode, Go-Bots Optimus Prime has a limited swivel joint for head articulation, and while he has other movable joints, all of them are spring-loaded and unable to hold a pose.
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==''Asia Premium Series''==
[[File:APStoy-APS01StrikerOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|I even cost the same as [[#Leader Class toys 4|the other guy]]. It pays to wait, doesn't it?]]
*'''Striker Optimus Prime''' (MechTech Leader, [[November 6|11-06]]-12)
**''Asia ID number:'' '''APS01'''
**''Accessories:'' Eliminator Gun & Assault Blaster (forms [[Mega Striker]]), shield/battle shield, two battle blades

:The first release in the Asian-exclusive ''[[Asia Premium Series]]'' toyline is an extensive redeco of the previously-Japanese exclusive [[#Leader Class toys 4|Striker Optimus]]. He features a comprehensive paint scheme directly based on [[#JetfireBuster|Jetpower Optimus Prime]], with blue pinstriped flames, lots of silver paint, and [[vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] parts, although his hands are left unpainted in favor of painting his mirrors silver. Along with his standard accessories, he also comes with 2 battle blades, which were previously exclusive to Toys"R"Us Japan. He features the "We must stop the Decepticons!" voice chip, but batteries are not included. Rather helpfully, his instructions are supplemented with text instructions written in English for all the steps, as well as the additional photographs used for the previous Striker Optimus toy.

:Originally set for a September 28th release, it ended up being delayed to 6th November instead.

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[[File:TF-Asia-Premium-Series-APS-01U-Ultimate-Edition-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|and the fandom rejo-where's the faceplate?]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Ultimate Edition, 2015)
**''Asia ID number:'' '''APS-01U'''
**Accessories: Eliminator Gun & Assault Blaster (forms [[Mega Striker]]), shield/battle shield, Tank A & Tank B (forms Ion Blaster), Jetwing jet pack, Arm Gatling Cannon A & B, Leg Armor A & B, Knuckle, 2 Battle Blades, 2 Battle Hooks

:[[Asia Premium Series]] Optimus Prime Ultimate Edition is an extensive screen-accurate redeco of Jetwing Optimus Prime (with a maskless head from Buster Optimus Prime), this figure features '''loads''' of accessories from the Striker & Jetwing figures, and includes brand-new knuckle and battle hooks based on the HFTD Optimus', which can be installed in either hand. The figure lacks the chrome of previous releases, instead opting for silver paint. The pin-striping is also absent, but he does have painted pupils. The figure also features 2-2-1 articulated fingers, which the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Leader Class toys 2|first Leader Class]] did not have due to budget cuts. The ion cannon included lacks the black paint application, leaving it completely silver. When purchased from select retailers, this toy will also include a shiny metal number plate and a bonus mini [[AllSpark]] cube accessory. His instructions depict a weaponized mode which has some clearance issues, as his Gatling guns are shown attached to the Jetwing, which pushes against his arms. His Eliminator Gun and Assault Blaster cannot tab into the Gatling gun tightly either.

:Mold degradation is evident in this release, as the bumper of the vehicle mode is notably bent.

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==''Chronicle''==
[[File:EZCollectionChronicleOptimusPrimeToy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Wait, you bought the Victory of the Fallen set already? how about a [[A Prime Problem|race]] with your set's Prime?]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (EZ Collection, 2011)

:''[[Transformers Chronicle (toyline)|Chronicle]]'' EZ Collection Optimus Prime is a redeco of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Optimus Prime toy, which color scheme is ''the same'' as (or probably a re-release of) his Victory of The Fallen 5-pack toy. Like other ''Chronicle'' Legends toys, he is sold in a blindpacked box.

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[[File:TF-Chronicle-CH01-Movie-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|He decided to take that weapon since [[Jolt (ROTF)#IDW movie comics|Jolt's absence]].]]
*'''G1 Optimus Prime & Movie Optimus Prime''' (multi-pack, 2011)
**''ID number:'' '''CH01'''
**''Accessories:'' [[MechTech]] Blaster/Hand Cannon, trailer

:''Chronicle'' "Movie Optimus Prime" is an e-Hobby exclusive redeco of the Deluxe-Class ''Dark of the Moon'' Optimus Prime figure, and comes in a two-pack with a reissue of the ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#G1MoviePrime|Optimus Prime figure]]. Instead of the blaster/axe MechTech weapon the original release of the figure came with, Prime is armed with a redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Jolt (ROTF)#Dark of the Moon|Jolt]]'s Blaster/Hand Cannon weapon.

:The set comes with a deluxe-scaled version of Prime's ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Armored Weapons Platform#Chronicle|trailer]], which is compatible with both figures, and sports [[5 mm post|5mm post]]-holes that will hold (among many other things) G1 Prime's laser rifle and the [[MechTech]] weapon Movie Prime is armed with.

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==''Kre-O''==
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[[File:KreO-Toy Optimus542pc.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Nigh-infinite configuration possibilities, and somehow a WORSE base mode than pretty much every other Optimus's trailer-bases. Wow.]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (2011)
**''Set number'': '''30689'''
**''Pieces'': '''542'''
**''Kreons'': Optimus Prime, Bluestreak, Skywarp, two Stunt Drivers
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle, weapons sprue (sniper rifle, pistol, submachinegun, handcuffs, radio, ammo box), large tool sprue (shovel, hammer, electric drill, clamp), small tool sprue (socket wrench, screwdriver, wrench, hatchet), 2 traffic cones

: Naturally, Optimus Prime got the biggest of the sets in the first year of ''Kre-O''. The set can be built into a large long-nose tractor-trailer rig with a removable "sleeper" cab that hides a computer station, and a trailer that can carry the set's two motorcycles or open up to carry larger car builds. The robot mode build includes a huge Optimus, based largely on the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action movie Optimus]], though with a head based almost directly on the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|''Classics'' Voyager Optimus]]. He is armed with a distressingly plain brick that fires pressure-launched missiles (aka his smokestacks). Most of the leftover parts in robot mode become a "headquarters" which is mostly just a random assemblage of mismatched-color panels and a pair of barricades. Both main builds leave numerous parts unused if you go expressly by the instructions, but hey, it's a building kit, surely you can find ''someplace'' to apply most of them.

: The set comes with a bevy of [[Kreon]]s, including Optimus Prime (this one based heavily on [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Generation 1 Optimus]]), [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Bluestreak]], [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Skywarp]], and a pair of human [[Stunt Driver]]s. A packaging error resulted in some releases of this set to come with the promotional "Matrix chest" Optimus (see above) rather than the normal version pictured here.

:Speaking of errors, the instruction manuals (he has two) both have errors in their parts listings, showing numerous pieces in the wrong colors or not making it clear that some parts are, well, clear. Making things more confusing, not all of these miscolors are reflected in the step-by-step instructions, while a couple new ones are added there.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Kre-OOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Kreo-Toy AoE Kreon Optimus evasion.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Shotgun optional.]]
*'''Cell Block Breakout''' (2014)
**''Set number'': '''A6951'''
**''Pieces'': '''135'''
**''Kreons'': Evasion mode Optimus Prime, [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#CellBlockBreakout|Bumblebee]], [[Vehicon (Kre-O)#AgeOfExinction|Vehicon]]

:The Optimus Prime Kreon in this set is based on the character's rusty, crusty "evasion mode" from the ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'' movie. He has a ferrous-metal backpack, which is used to interact with the magnetic parts in the various sets. In this specific set's case, it's so he can be grabbed by the buildable [[Strafe (AOE)#Kre-O|Strafe]]'s dino-claws, once Strafe uses said claws to open up the "laser" cage made to contain Optimus. (Yeah, we know Strafe appears way after Optimus ditched this look in the movie.)

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[[File:KreO-Toy AoE Kreon Optimus gold.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*'''Grimlock Street Attack''' (2014)
**''Set number'': '''A6955'''
**''Pieces'': '''196'''
**''Kreons'': Gold Knight Optimus Prime, Vehicon x2
**''Accessories'': Buildable spear

: "Gold Knight Optimus Prime" is based on the character's less-screen-accurate-and-toy-only gold knight design, carrying a built-up long spear with which to prod on the huge buildable [[Grimlock (AOE)#Kre-O|Grimlock]] t-rex.

:Some promo photos show Optimus with a [[tamopgraph]] on the mouthplate, but the final version is blank.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/Kre-OGSAOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Grimlock Street Attack Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO-Toy AoE Kreon Optimus.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*'''Galvatron Factory Battle''' (2014)
**''Set number'': '''A6952'''
**''Pieces'': '''388'''
**''Kreons'': Optimus Prime, [[Bumblebee (Kre-O)#GalvatronFactoryBattle|Bumblebee]], Vehicon, [[Dr. Littleman#Kre-O|Dr. Littleman]], 2 KSI workers.
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle

:The Optimus Prime Kreon in this set is based on the character's design from the Age of Extinction movie. This set also includes a buildable Dinobot beast and a [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Galvatron]] super-robot.

:The stock photos shows that his mouthplate was unpainted.

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*'''Optimus Prime Dino Hauler''' (2014)
**''Set number'': '''A7796'''
**''Pieces'': '''275'''
**''Kreons'': [[Ratchet (Kre-O)|Ratchet]], Vehicon x2, human [[Cade Yeager|Autobot Driver]].

: No Kreon this time! The centerpiece of the "[[Optimus Prime Dino Hauler]]" set is a buildable vehicle mode Optimus Prime with a cage-like trailer, designed to carry the Dinobot beast [[Snarl (Kre-O)|Snarl]].

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[[File:Kre-O-Custom-Kreon-AOE-Optimus-Prime.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Axes and guns but no sword.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Custom Kreon, 2014)
**''Set number'': '''A7836'''
**''Collection'': '''Collection 1'''
**''Pieces'': '''30'''
**''Accessories'': Rack, blaster, battle-axe, smokestack backpack, wing-pack, extra body parts

: Part of the first wave of ''Age of Extinction'' Custom Kreons, this Optimus comes with a buildable parts rack on which to hang/store his many many extra pieces. His "normal" helmet and blaster are [[Vacuum metallizing|chromed]], plus he comes with an extra clear-plastic helmet, torso and legs. He also has a pair of extra arms (originally from the ''Kre-O Battleship'' aliens) plus a spare hand, as well as a buildable battle-axe, a buildable smokestack-pack, and an extra [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Wheeljack]]-style wing-pack.

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[[File:Kre-o-grimlock-unleashed-optimus-prime-kreon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Grimlock Unleashed''' (2014)
**''Set number'': '''A8600'''
**''Pieces'': '''333'''
**''Kreons'': [[Grimlock (AOE)#Kre-O|Grimlock]], Optimus Prime, [[Bumblebee (Movie)#Grimlock Unleashed|Bumblebee]], [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Grimlock Unleashed|Galvatron]], [[Lockdown (ROTF)#Grimlock Unleashed|Lockdown]]
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle

:This Kreon of Optimus Prime is very, very similar to both the "[[Galvatron Factory Battle]]" and the "[[Decepticon Replicator]]" Optimus Kreons. This one however has silver hands, a light smirk under his facemask, and lacks the clip-on smokestacks.

:This set popped up at Toys"R"Us a few short weeks after the initial product without any advance warning... and retailed for a mere $25, despite the size of the set.

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[[File:KreO-Toy OptimusPrimeDinobotRide.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Optimus Minor?]]
*'''Dinobot Ride''' (2014)
**''Pieces'': '''46'''
**''Kreons'': Optimus Prime
**''Accessories'': Stand-brick, robot sword

: This version of Optimus uses the micro-Kreon build introduced in the ''Kre-O Cityville Invasion'' sets. He comes with a mini-build of dino-mode [[Grimlock (Kre-O)#DinobotRide|Grimlock]] as part of a small bagged kit.

: This set was only available on [[June 28]] as part of a special promotion at Toys"R"Us, given away free from noon to 2pm (roughly) as part of an in-store building event that coincided with the opening weekend of ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'' and the final day of a buy-one-get-one-half-off sale on all ''Transformers'' product.

: The building set also comes with a poster with a preview of all Kre-O Transformers products released in 2014. Remaining stock of the kit (new condition, of course) is later dumped to several Hobby Shops in Asia.

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[[File:Kre-O-Decepticon-Replicator-Optimus-Prime-Kreon.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Decepticon Replicator''' (2014)
**''Set number'': '''A8601'''
**''Kreons'': Bumblebee, [[Nemesis Prime (AOE)#Kre-O|Nemesis Prime]], Optimus Prime, "Scientist", [[Stinger (AOE)#Kre-O|Stinger]]
**''Accessories'' Optimus rifle

:This iteration of Optimus is incredibly similar to the "[[Grimlock Unleashed]]" and "[[Galvatron Factory Battle]]" Optimusses. In fact, the ''only'' difference between this Kreon and the Factory Battle Optimus is the face: this one has a closed-mouth frown and blue eyebrows.

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[[File:Kre-o-silver-knight-autobots-optimus-prime.jpg|150px|right|thumb]]
*'''Silver Knight Autobots''' (2014)
**''Set number'': '''A8602'''
**''Kreons'': Drift, Optimus Prime, Hound, Crosshairs, Bumblebee.
**''Accessories'': Spear

:A five-pack of Kreons representing the main Autobots of the [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]] movie. He also comes with a dual-bladed spear, and since he only uses the sword in the movie, You can actually swap his spear with Bumblebee's claymore.

:This set was made available at the "[[Transformers Exhibition]]" event in Taipei, Taiwan from [[June 27]] to [[July 6]].

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[[File:KreO-toy Optimus Universal4pack.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Kreon 4-Pack''' (2014)
**''Set number'': '''A9370'''
**''Kreons'': [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Universal4pack|Bumblebee]], [[Evac (Ride)#Kre-O|Evac]] (pre-2020 releases), [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Kre-O|Megatron]], Optimus Prime, [[N.E.S.T. Sentry]] (2020 release)
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle

:This version of "movie" Optimus is based on his ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' incarnation, as that's how he appears in "[[Transformers: The Ride – 3D]]" and as a mascot character on the park grounds. He is available exclusively in a box set sold at The Ride's gift shop at [[Universal]] Studios theme parks. After several years of ''only'' being available at the park proper, the four-pack was eventually added to Universal's online store.

: In 2015, a new run of the set was produced, this time using the revamped-from-the-head-down 2015-style Kreon bodies. Optimus's [[tampograph]]s are slightly sharper, with thinner black outlines, but are otherwise unchanged. This set would later see slight production changes; all of the figures' tampographs have gone back to thicker lines and being a bit sloppier, while Optimus's medium-pearlescent-gray plastics (his arm-mounted smokestacks) have been lightened considerably and lost a significant amount of metallic sheen.

: In mid-2020, the set was revamped again ''again'', now removing Evac and replacing him with the [[N.E.S.T. Sentry]]. This version of the set uses the latter version of the other three characters with the thicker tampograph lines and lighter medium-gray plastic.

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* '''Transformers: Age of Extinction Blu-ray and KRE-O pack''' (2014)

:Available for the Toys"R"Us exclusive Blu-Ray + DVD release of the ''Transformers: Age of Extinction'', this Optimus Prime Kreon is based on the "knight armor" version of Optimus from late in the movie.

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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Mini-Con Combiners, unreleased)
**''Accessories'': Bazooka, [[Phaser (weapon)|phaser]], Uzi, scoped pistol, [[Klingon]] blaster

:"Mini-Con Combiner"' Optimus comes with one standard Kreon and four ''Cityville''-syle mini-Kreons of the same character, each one a different incarnation from various franchises. With some extra parts, the mini-Kreons become limbs to make a larger combiner-bot.

: One of the Mini-Con limb-bots (Soundwave helmet) is based on the original movie version of Optimus. The main torso-bot is based on Generation 1 Optimus's original body. Two of his limbs are based on ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]; one "normal" (Inferno helmet), one pre-[[Earth]]-body (Knock Out helmet). And the remaining one (Ironhide helmet)... actually looks to be based on the Optimus-like-but-not-Optimus [[Micromaster]] [[Overload (G1)|Overload]]! The heck?

: Unfortunately, the Mini-Con Combiners apparently never saw release anywhere.

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==''Movie Trilogy Series''==
[[File:MovieTrilogyOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.77]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2012)
**''Accessories:'' [[Armored Weapons Platform#Movie Trilogy Series|Trailer]]

:Another redeco of Deluxe-Class ''Dark of the Moon'' Prime, this release uses a darker grey, a less magenta-y red, and less gold on the front end. Included is the trailer originally available with the ''Chronicle'' release. The trailer holds up to seven MechTech or similar 5mm peg accessories. Four holes are located on the top-front end of the trailer, with another three inside. The door also folds down to become a ramp, and the inside of the trailer is big enough for several Legion or Commander Cyberverse toys, or one smaller-end Deluxe figure. Two [[C joint]] bars also run along the bottom of both sides.

:Unlike both the Walmart exclusive Deluxe figure and the Japanese release, no weapon accessories are included.

:Amusingly, the packaging still showcases 3 canceled Movie Trilogy Series Deluxe class toys.

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==''EZ Collection Gum''==
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (EZ Collection Gum)

:Released as part of the blindpacked ''EZ Collection Gum'' series, this Optimus Prime is basically a clean version of the "battle damaged" figure seen in the second wave of the EZ Collection set.

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==''Age of Extinction''==
===''Robots in Disguise'' (2014)===
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[[File:Smash-and-Change-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm a little teapot short and stout. Here is my handle, here is... okay, maybe not.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Smash and Change, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' [[Sword of Judgment]]

:Smash & Change Optimus Prime is a simple figure that transforms by "smashing" the rear end of the truck/the robot's feet into the ground. He features only elbow articulation in robot mode and includes a sword accessory that can be held in his hand or mounted on the side of his truck mode. The handle on the rear of his truck mode is molded to emulate his Vector Shield.

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*'''Silver Knight Optimus Prime''' (Smash and Change, 2014)
**'''28 OF 30'''
**''Accessories:'' Sword of Judgment
:A Target-exclusive redeco of the Smash & Change Optimus Prime toy featuring silver plastic & painted parts.

:Smash & Change Silver Knight Optimus Prime also shares the same ''Thrilling 30'' number as ''Platinum Edition'' Silver Knight Optimus Prime below.

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*'''Optimus Prime''' (One Step Changers, 2014)

:Similar to the ''[[Activators]]'' toyline, One-Step Changer Optimus Prime features a spring-loaded transformation. He features swivel articulation in the head and both arms. He shares a similar (not identical) transformation with his fellow One-Step changer, Hound. Also, due to his transformation scheme, his shoulders can be pushed forward (the arms is pushed on the same time), which also allows him to wield a close ranged weapons with longer handles with both hands.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/OSCOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on One-Step Changer Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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*'''Transformers: Age of Extinction Collection''' (One-Step Changer six-pack, 2014)

:The "Transformers: Age of Extinction Collection" set includes a Silver Knight redeco of the One-Step Changer Optimus Prime toy.

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[[File:Power-battler-optimus-prime.jpg|upright=1.66|right|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Power Battlers, 2014)

:Power Battlers Optimus Prime is a simplified, deluxe-class sized toy with a 'Blade Strike' gimmick in robot mode when his legs are squeezed. Due to his gimmick, he ends up having ''four'' arms. Unfortunately, Power Battlers Optimus Prime has ''very limited'' articulation on his shoulders.

:His stock photos are slightly mistransformed: his legs were not folded out. This mold was later redecoed into Power Battler [[Nemesis Prime (AOE)#Lost Age Series|Nemesis Prime]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/PBOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Power Battlers Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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*'''Electronic Stomp & Chomp Grimlock''' (One Step Changers, 2014)

:The included static non-transforming Optimus Prime figure (in the size of a Commander Class figure) can ride Stomp & Chomp Grimlock in dinosaur mode, and the toy is able to detect if the said rider is Autobot or Decepticon and change its electronics effects accordingly.

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[[File:AoE dino sparker Optimus and Grimlock.jpg|thumb||upright=1.66|Warning: Sparks may shoot to your ''face''.]]
*'''Optimus Prime & Grimlock''' (Dino Sparkers, 2014)
:Dino Sparkers Optimus Prime is a static, non-artiulated figure of Optimus Prime's "evasion mode" body, wielding a sword and riding on a translucent chunk of plastic that sorta resembles [[Grimlock (AOE)#Dino Sparkers|Grimlock]]'s [[beast mode]]. Pulling back and releasing it causes [[sparking gimmick|"cold" sparks]] to flash inside the dino's back end.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/DSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Dino Sparker Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Generations''===
===="First Edition" toys====
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[[File:AOEtoy-FirstEditionOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|If you paid 80 bucks for this... you have our condolences.]]
*'''First Edition Optimus Prime''' (2014)
**'''14 OF 30'''
**''Accessories:'' Sword of Judgment, Sentinel Shield

: First Edition Optimus Prime is, as his title suggests, the first toy available to the public from the [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|''Age of Extinction'' toy line]]. Prime is an all-new Leader Class-sized figure, featuring his new Western Star "5700 OP" concept truck vehicle mode and his updated robot mode from the film (well, mostly based on his initial design rather than the final design in the movie). His transformation is much simpler than his counterparts from the previous three movie lines, being billed as transforming in "15 easy steps." His torso, shoulders, upper legs, and the vehicle mode grill are all completely chromed with the exception of minor blue and red details painted on his chest. However, this comes at the expense of his smokestacks and wheels being bare gray plastic, whereas they are chromed in the film. His simplified transformation also comes at the expense of having a very bulky "backpack" of [[kibble]] composed of the rear of the truck cab and the fuel tanks, limiting his shoulder and hip [[articulation]]. However, his truck [[kibble]] can be detached from the main figure to form the majority of his vehicle mode on its own.
[[File:TF-AOE-FE-Optimus-Prime-individual-modes.jpg|left|250px|thumb]]

:He includes the Sword of Judgment and Sentinel Shield accessories, which he can respectively wield and mount on his left forearm, all via a 5mm post. In truck mode, the sword is stored underneath, while the shield mounts onto the trailer hitch. The sword also features a [[5 mm post|5mm post]] on its hilt. Interestingly, the truck mode is able to pull G1 Optimus Prime's trailer.

:He was only available as an [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] exclusive in the United States, but was also released at brick and mortar retails in Australia and Hasbro's Asian markets, such as Singapore. Oddly enough, even though the official press release for the figure identifies it as "14 of 30" in Hasbro's ''[[Thrilling 30#30 exclusive toys|Thrilling 30]]'' campaign, the [[packaging]] does not sport any such markings.<ref name="fepress">[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/news/Transformers-Movie-4-Optimus-Prime-Action-Figure-First-Edition.cfm Official Hasbro press release for ''Age of Extinction'' First Edition Optimus Prime]</ref> To complicate matters further, a later retrospective by Hasbro on Facebook identifies ''another'' product as "14 of 30", which doesn't sport any such markings on its packaging ''either''.<ref name="retro">[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/743925055677691 Habro Thrilling 30 retrospective] on Facebook, mirrored [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/hasbro-transformers-30th-anniversary-thrilling-30-exclusives-retrospective-gallery-181598/ here] on TFW2005.</ref>

:Some units lack the silver paint on the sword and shield, and the grey plastic is a lighter shade.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/FEOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on First Edition Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:PlatinumEditiontoy-SilverKnightOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Surprise! You get to buy ''two'' of me!]]
*'''Silver Knight Optimus Prime''' (2014)
**'''28 OF 30'''
**''Accessories:'' Sword of Judgment, Sentinel Shield

:A redeco of First Edition Optimus Prime in the 'Silver Knight' scheme, molded in dull Silver (or light grey) plastic and sporting paint operations, and the sword & shield is molded in clear light blue plastic. Like all of the AOE "Silver Knight" Optimus Prime toys, this was a Target exclusive.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/TargetPlatinumSKOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Silver Knight Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''.

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[[File:AOEPlatinumOptimusPrimeTrailer.jpg|thumb|upright=2.10|Surprise! You get to buy ''three'' of me! And now with 25% more chrome!]]
*'''Optimus Prime with Trailer and Sideswipe''' (2014)
**''Accessories:'' Sword of Judgement
:Another redeco of First Edition Optimus Prime with a retooled faceplated head and minor changes to the flame colors that are slathered in chrome. Comes in a two-pack with a redecoed ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Deluxe Class [[Sideswipe (Movie)#Age of Extinction|Sideswipe]], using the alternate [[Swerve (Movie)#Revenge of the Fallen|Swerve]] head, along with the ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10|MP-10 Convoy]]/[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10hasbro|Optimus Prime]] trailer without [[Roller (G1)#Masterpiece|Roller]].

:In the United States, this set was a "shared exclusive" between [[BigBadToyStore]], [[Toys"R"Us]], and [[Hasbro Toy Shop]]. In Canada and Singapore, it was exclusive to Toys"R"Us, whereas in Australia, it was a Myer exclusive. In Taiwan, it was made available for purchase during an event celebrating the launch of ''[[Transformers Rising]]''.
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====Legion Class toys====
{{Note|All of the Legion Class Optimus Prime toys features an undocumented feature of him combining with Legends Class Jetfire.}}
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[[File:Lost Age OptimusPrimeClearVersion.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|"It's true. This mould is back!"<br>"Yes, consumers, and this time no force in the universe can stop me."]]
*'''Optimus Prime (Clear Ver.)''' (EZ Collection, 2014)
:One of the very first toys to be released as a freebie for the ''[[TV Magazine]]'', Optimus Prime (Clear Ver.) is a redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class Optimus Prime in black and clear blue plastic, available only in the August 2014 issue of the said magazine. His only paint operations are on his abdomen and face, but stickers for additional detail are included on the issue's sticker sheet. Optimus Prime has been slightly retooled to include a magnet in his right foot, allowing him to interact with ''Lost Age'' Battle Command Optimus Prime and ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Age of Extinction]]'' Stomp & Chomp [[Grimlock (AOE)#Stomp&Chomp|Grimlock]].

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[[File:AoE Wal-Mart legion Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legion Class, 2014)
:The single carded release of Optimus Prime is a redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class Optimus Prime, exclusive to [[Walmart]] in the US and [[Asda]] in the UK. Deco changes included in this toy are the top half of the knee armor's blue being omitted and an Autobot insignia tampographed on the left knee, and similar to the Legends Class Power Armor Optimus Prime: the red arms, and the abdomen was replaced into blue.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/WMLegOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Walmart Legion Class Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:AoE Wal-Mart 2-pack legion Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I got my old paint job back, can you [[Hasbro|guys]] give me retooled hands now?]]
*'''Optimus Prime & Grimlock''' (Legion Class two-pack, 2014)
:Optimus Prime is another redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class Optimus Prime, features gunmetal-stque grey plastic, and his paint operations being similar to the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Legends Class toys 2|first ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class toy]]. He is also packaged with [[Grimlock (AOE)|Grimlock]], himself a redeco of none other than [[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|''Energon'']] [[Cruellock]]. Like other Legion-themed product, he is exclusive to Walmart in the US and Asda in the UK.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/WMOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Legion Class 2-pack Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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====Deluxe Class toys====
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[[File:Lost Age AD-09 Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|You know you want me.]]
*'''Protoform Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, 2014)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AD09'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun, missile, flame attachment
:Part of the first wave of TakaraTomy ''[[Movie Advanced Series|Lost Age: Movie Advanced]]'' toys, this Japanese-exclusive redeco of [[#Deluxe Class toys|2007 ''Transformers'' Protoform Optimus Prime]] is given a ''Generation 1''-styled color scheme (which is ''also'' based on his appearances in IDW's ''[[Transformers: Foundation]]'' comic-book mini-series). Protoform Optimus Prime transforms into his "entry" mode. This mode somewhat resembles a cybertronic truck, with false wheels sculpted onto the sides, and Optimus Prime's trademark windows in front. His now-blue flame decoration piece fits the back of the "vehicle", creating the illusion of a flaming comet's tail (Not sure if this was meant to represent his jetpack blast effect or his atmospheric entry heat effect, which is for no reason: entirely blue instead of hot red). The bottom of the vehicle has small wheels to roll the toy across smooth surfaces.

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[[File:AoE Target 2-pack deluxe Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Shinybots! Roll Out and Be FABULOUS!]]
*'''Silver Knight Optimus Prime & Grimlock''' (Deluxe, 2014)
**'''29 OF 30'''
**''Accessories:'' Sword
:A redeco of the ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe Class toy, this Optimus Prime has large portions of his body, mostly his truck parts, vacuum metalized silver, and his light-piped eyes were neutered by blue paint. He comes with a redeco of Generation 1 [[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]]'s sword, which can be wielded by his 5mm-compatible hands (Although not shown in the instructions). As his body, legs, and front truck kibble were chromed, care must be taken while transforming, ''especially'' with the shoulder kibble & the bottom leg's posts (This can be amended if you slightly widen the holes with 3mm hand drills). As with the original ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe Class figure, the instructions did not mention about forming the sleeper part until step 10, the pinky finger prevented the sword to peg down through his hands, and of course: his truck mode can attach with the Armored Weapons Platform included in the ''Chronicle'' or the ''Movie Trilogy Series'' figure. This figure has slightly loose shoulder joints.

:This figure was only available in a two-pack with a Voyager Class [[Grimlock (AOE)#Target2Pack|Grimlock]] figure. The two-pack was exclusively available at Target stores in the United States, Canada, and Australia, at Tesco stores in the United Kingdom and Hungary and at Galeria Kaufhof department stores in Germany. In Asia, some of the remaining stock is available in some hobby shops and some video stores like Speedy Video.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/TargetDlxOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Deluxe Silver Knight Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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====Voyager Class toys====
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[[File:AOEGenerationstoy-EvasionModeOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Continuing Megatron's legacy of being a drifting, shotgun-toting hobo hiding from the feds. ''(Hasbro version pictured)'']]
[[File:Lost Age AD-02 Optimus Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|A little less blue goes a long way. ''(TakaraTomy version pictured)'']]
*'''Evasion Mode Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2014)
**''Series / Number:'' '''M4 / #001'''
**''Japanese Name'': '''Classic Optimus Prime'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AD02'''
**''Japanese release date:'' '''2014-[[May 17|05-17]]'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion cannon, projectile/nozzle

:Part of the first wave of ''Age of Extinction: [[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Voyager Class toys, "Evasion Mode Optimus Prime" is an all-new figure based on the character's initial form in the film, transforming from a cab-over semi-truck into a robot mostly similar to his previous movie design. The truck mode is heavily based on Generation 1 Optimus Prime's White Freightliner WFT alt mode in both sculpt and deco, although it draws a few details, such as the singular smokestack and wheel designs, from the heavily faded Marmon 97 seen on-screen. In robot mode, he sports faux-kibble windows and, amusingly, ''two'' false smokestacks. Unfortunately, due to the way his arms transform, he lacks actual elbow joints, which makes the lower forearm as the only poseable section. Optimus can wield weapons with longer posts while his hands are in a "default" 90° position. Also, while you transform him back to truck mode, his hands must be in the same sideways position to ensure the truck kibble is properly flushed.

:Optimus includes a spring-loaded missile firing "ion cannon" modeled after Megatron's shotgun from ''Dark of the Moon'', with the missile features a sculpted shotgun nozzle on the front section. It can be held in his hand or attached to the top of the truck cab or truck bed via 5mm post, and, in an unadvertised feature, sports tabs on the rear-most handle that allow the [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 4|''Dark of the Moon'' Voyager Class Megatron toy]] to wield it.

:In time-honored tradition, Prime's instructions depict the toy with an alternate "[[Retool#Gang-molded alternate parts|pretooled]]" head – in this case, a version with the faceplate deployed, used on the ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' and "Rusty" releases of the figure (see below). Additionally, his [[packaging]] [[stock photography]] depicts him with extra white/silver [[Paint operation|paint detail]]s, especially on his chest and wheel rims, as well as having gray upper arms with red details, among other differences.

:Despite his relatively small truck mode (which is almost as small as a Deluxe class toy, but slightly larger than his ''Generation 1'' toy's truck) he is quite tall. Due to the lack of molded trailer hitches, Evasion Mode Optimus Prime cannot tow the [[Armored Weapons Platform#Voyager Class toys|Mechtech Trailer]], though it can be hooked with the truck's cavity, albeit slightly lifted up.

:The TakaraTomy version, part of the first wave of ''[[Movie Advanced Series]]'' toys, is dubbed "Classic Optimus Prime", and opts for a deco closer to Prime's previous on-screen appearances, omitting the blue paint on his feet and hands to reveal the gray plastic underneath, and adding new paint details all over. Instead of painting it in clear light blue, his light-piping eyes is neutered with opaque light blue paint. In terms of quality control, at least ''one'' sample has missing its silver paint on the head's left cheek. Moreover, there is a variant that comes with his faceplated head sculpt.{{fact|Like, which one?}}

:The faceplated version of the mold was used to make [[Nemesis Prime (AOE)#Toys|Nemesis Prime]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/EMOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Evasion Mode Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Lost Age AD-12 Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|More like ''Revenge of the Fallen Paint Apps'', amirite?]]
*'''Revenge Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2014)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AD12'''
**''Japanese release date:'' '''2014-[[May 17|05-17]]'''
**''Accessories:'' Matrix of Leadership, 2 Fuel Tank-Gun assemblies, removable Energon Swords
:Part of TakaraTomy's ''[[Movie Advanced Series]]'' lineup, Revenge Optimus Prime is redeco of the 2010 ''Transformers'' Battle Blades mold, featuring darker plastic, a pair of flip-out swords (the second release of this mold since [[Darkside Optimus Prime (DOTM)#Dark of the Moon|Darkside Optimus Prime]].) from the Hasbro release, and chromed fuel tank-guns & sun visors. His shins & wheel joints are bronze from the Hasbro release as opposed to the grey of Takara's ''Autobot Alliance'' release.

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[[File:Evolution2PackAOEOptimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Evolution 2-Pack Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Two-Pack, 2014)
**'''23 OF 30'''
**''Japanese Release Date'': [[2017]]-[[October 3|10-3]]
**''Accessories:'' Ion cannon, projectile/nozzle
:A Voyager-class two pack of ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|Optimus Prime]], representing the Generation 1 version of the character, and a redeco of ''Age of Extinction'' Evasion Optimus Prime representing the Movie character (The deco patterns is most likely to emulate the character's design in 2007, with vague results). Like Rusty Optimus Prime (seen below), he features flames on his vehicle mode doors.

:Unlike the stock photography, the actual toy doesn't feature a [[mouthplate]]. In October, the two-pack was one of the three Evolution 2-packs available as a Toys"R"Us exclusive in Japan, with no changes on the figures with an exception of the packaging, which the front box features Japanese translated versions of the English text, and a sticker on the back confirming that this was a Japanese release. The robot mode stock photo lacks the gun nozzle/missile.

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[[File:PlatinumEditiontoy-2PackOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|For a bot who's supposed to be in hiding, he's sure got a lot of chrome.]]
*'''Optimus Prime & Grimlock''' (Platinum Edition Voyager 2-pack, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' Ion cannon, projectile/nozzle
:Released as a two-pack with Voyager Class [[Grimlock (AOE)#Platinum Edition|Grimlock]], ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' Optimus Prime is a redeco of Evasion Mode Optimus Prime with chromed shoulders, fists, pelvis, lower stomach and leg sides. He features a headsculpt with a mouthplate. His truck stripe is now white.

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[[File:Milk-Magazine-Evasion-Mode-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Counselor Prime, what do you think?"]]
*'''Optimus Prime Battle Damage Color''' (Milk Magazine exclusive, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' Ion cannon, projectile/nozzle

:This hand-made custom of the Evasion Mode Optimus Prime figure is exclusive to Hong Kong's Milk Magazine. It's an officially licensed item produced in association with Hasbro Hong Kong. The weathering was done by Ori Toy.

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[[File:Lost Age TRU JP rusty Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Can't believe people are willing to pay a fortune for a dirt-covered Ultra Magnus cab that's missing its trailer-armor.]]
*'''Rusty Ver. Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2014)
**''Japanese release date:'' '''2014-[[August 18|08-18]]'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion cannon, projectile/nozzle
:A redeco of the Voyager Evasion Mode toy, Rusty Ver. Optimus Prime features extensive paint applications to give him a screen-accurate vehicle mode, and was released as a Toys"R"Us Japan-exclusive. It uses the alternate, faceplated head mold.

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[[File:Takaratomy-gold-classic-optimus-prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|No wonder why [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]] is hunting him.]]
*'''Limited Color Optimus Prime'''{{sic}} (Battle Command Campaign, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' Ion cannon, projectile/nozzle
:Limited to 10 pieces, Limited Color Optimus Prime (限定カラークラシックオプティマスプライム) is a gold chrome redeco of the Voyager Class figure, and he's released as part of the Transformers Battle Command Campaign given away to ten winners via a lucky draw. The initial phase for entry was operated in July 2014, when those wishing to enter the draw had to mail in the proof of purchase from the Takara-Tomy Lost Age Optimus Prime. The actual mailing out of prizes was to take place on November 2014.

:In December 2014, Two additional copies were produced for the [http://paramount.nbcuni.co.jp/transformers/campaign/ Transformers: ''Age of Extinction'' DVD lucky draw campaign], with the buyers using the included application postcard on each DVD they purchased to win the item. Depending on the buyer's luck, they'll win a Nicola Peltz (Tessa) and Jack Reynor (Shane) B2 poster (limited to 10 pieces) or the ''Movie Advanced Series'' release of the Evasion Mode Optimus Prime (limited to 38 pieces) instead.

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[[File:Autobots-united-optimus-prime.jpg|right|upright=1.95|thumb|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEdZ-yjxHLI That's what I'm talkin' about.]]]
*'''Autobots United''' (Platinum Edition 5-pack, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' Ion cannon, projectile/nozzle
:The Autobots United 5 Pack includes another redeco of Voyager Class Evasion Mode Optimus Prime. This release features the faceplated headsculpt and, unlike the rest of the set, which strives for screen-accuracy, features a heavily Generation 1-inspired deco. Deco changes include replacing most of the blue & grey plastic into red, with blue paint applied on it, and his dark grey plastic is now a lighter shade. His Ion Cannon is now painted black to resemble his ''Generation 1'' toy's blaster, color-wise.

:He came in the BBTS shared exclusive "Autobots United" set along with screen-accurate redecos of [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], [[Drift (AOE)|Drift]] and [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]].

:In the picture to the right, he is mistransformed, his shoulders are not folded.

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[[File:Platinum-edition-breakout-battle-optimus-prime.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Cookies and Cream Prime.]]
*'''Breakout Battle''' (Platinum Edition, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' Ion cannon, projectile/nozzle
:The "Breakout Battle" set includes another take on a screen-accurate "Scrapyard Optimus Prime", featuring a brown paint wash on tan plastic. The set was a shared exclusive between Toys"R"Us, online retailers such as Big Bad Toy Store, and Myer in Australia. The set was released in Australia, Singapore, and Canada but never actually made it to retail in the U.S. The set also includes [[Rollbar (AOE)|Rollbar]] and a [[Vehicon (AOE)|Vehicon]].

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====Leader Class toys====
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[[File:AOEGenerationstoy-LeaderOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.77|No one makes fun of Prime's <s>security</s> ''survival'' backpack and gets away with it! ''(Hasbro version pictured)'']]
[[File:Lost Age AD-01 Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.77|And it's a Buster right outta the gate! ''(TakaraTomy version pictured)'']]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Leader, 2014)
**''Series / Number:'' '''M4 / #001'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AD01'''
**''Japanese release date:'' '''2014-[[May 17|05-17]]'''
**''Accessories:'' Sword of Judgment, Vector Shield

:Part of the first wave of ''Age of Extinction: Generations'' Leader Class toys, this is yet ''another'' completely new "big" Optimus Prime figure. While smaller than the First Edition toy, this one features more silver and chrome paint in vehicle mode, a more poseable robot mode, and a Vector Shield accessory instead of the Sentinel Shield. Unlike the First Edition figure, Leader Class Optimus Prime's pauldrons and hip-skirts are formed from truck kibble, giving him a marginally smaller backpack. His accessories have roughly the same functionality as the First Edition toy, with his sword being hand-held and pegged onto his hands or storing underneath the truck, and his shield mounting onto his left forearm or storing on the back of the truck. Additionally, the sword sheath underneath the truck can be folded up and used in robot mode.

:It should be noted that this Optimus Prime can accommodate the [[Dual Energon Swords#Dark of the Moon|Battle Blade]] accessories to recreate the scene of him fighting against Galvatron.

:This figure was only made available as a store [[exclusive]] in parts of Europe, at least in the United Kingdom (at Argos) and Germany (at Rossmann drug stores).

:Apparently, early plans for the shield were to have it colored gold and silver, but it was later changed to gray and red. When a hand-painted [[prototype]] of the toy was first displayed at the 2013 New York Comic Con, the shield was colored yellow and silver; in addition, the original versions of the official Hasbro [[stock photography|stock photos]] also depict the gold color, but the versions featured on the back of the toy's [[packaging]] were edited so they would accurately depict the final toy's colors for the shield. Meanwhile, the versions of the stock photos provided to websites and online retailers depict the shield in its final colors for the robot mode, whereas the vehicle mode photo is the unedited version featuring the shield's original colors. Furthermore, UK-based retailer Argos also featured unedited versions of the stock photos for both modes in one of its catalogs, causing some confusion among fans.<ref name="argos">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/991761-uk-getting-different-leader-decos-optimus-yellow-vector-shield.html TFW2005 thread] about outdated stock photos used in Argos catalog.</ref> Sometimes, the spring loaded "[[Automorph Technology|Automorph]]" feature in his head is too strong and causes the head to fly off...

:Some units feature a darker tone on the red paint applications.<ref>https://news.tfw2005.com/2014/05/17/transformers-4-age-of-extinction-generations-leader-optimus-prime-variant-found-180019</ref>

:The [[TakaraTomy]] version, part of the first wave of ''Lost Age: Movie Advanced'' toys, features numerous silver paint details, and alters the deco on his chest to be more screen-accurate, among many other changes. This figure's Vector Shield accessory is later redecoed as the "Golden Vector Shield", as the giveaway item for the 2nd ''The Last Knight'' Campaign in Japan.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Age of Extinction'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:GoldPlatedOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.22|This time, NO ONE dared to transform it.]]
*'''Gold Plated Optimus Prime''' (Leader, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' Sword of Judgement
:This gold vacuum metallized version of Optimus Prime is a prize in Hasbro's Asia Age of Extinction campaign. To qualify for winning this toy, one must be the biggest spender of the day during the midnight launch of the AoE toyline at specific Toys"R"Us or participate in a lucky draw. This toy is limited to 7 pieces. 2 are in mainland China, while Hong Kong, Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, Taiwan each have one.

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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Lucky Draw Leader Class, 2014)
**''Accessories'': Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

:Released as a prize figure for the ''Transformers Celebration 2014'' event held at Ikebukuro Sunshine City store's Toys"R"Us, this Optimus Prime is a redeco of the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Leader Class toys|first Leader Class figure]], albeit unlike the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#LuckyDraw2007Leader|first lucky draw figure]], this release features a more balanced deco consists of chromed paintable plastic and gold unpaintable plastic, and it doesn't need to be fixated with a stand. To qualify for winning this toy, one must spend about 3,000 yen and up on various Transformers toys to enter the lucky draw event.

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*'''Leader Class Grimlock & Leader Class Optimus Prime''' (Platinum Edition 2-pack, 2014)
**''Accessories'': Sword of Judgment, Vector Shield

:Platinum Optimus is a redeco of the Leader Class Optimus Prime. Optimus' color palette is now darkened with some additional paint details. His "Sword of Judgment" is now a light blue. Optimus features more chrome on his "Vector Shield", chest, and on his head. The set was a shared exclusive, available from BigBadToyStore and Toys"R"Us, and was also sold during a Taiwanese event celebrating the launch of ''[[Transformers Rising]]''.

:Initial [http://toys.tfw2005.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2014/06/TF4-Leader-2pack-Optimus-bot_1403963168.jpg prototype] [http://toys.tfw2005.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2014/06/TF4-Leader-2pack-Optimus-truck_1403963168.jpg photos] shows that Optimus' blue plastic is casted in translucent blue, which is not present in the final product.
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[[File:Movie-Advanced-Series-AD-31-Armor-Knight-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Transforming my mouth is terrifying.]]
*'''Armor Knight Optimus Prime''' (Leader, 2014)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AD31'''
**''Accessories'': Sword of Judgment, Vector Shield

:Armor Knight Optimus Prime is a retool of ''Age of Extinction: Generations'' Leader Class Optimus Prime. It features a new head sculpt with a rotatable faceplate (one side with the mask, the other without, the whole part rotates), along with other remolded body parts (such as his skirt, feet, and chest), giving it a more screen accurate appearance. He includes more movie-accurate weapons, featuring a new sword and shield, albeit in not-so-accurate colors (the sword's transparent orange blade was also a nod to the [http://www.joshnizzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/P_OptimusV2_Sword_130225_v003_JN.jpg sword's "heat up" mode in the concept art].). He is covered in metallic paint, along with additional chrome details on his rims and bumper.

:The new Sword of Judgement accessory is later redecoed in screen-accurate colors, as the giveaway item for the 1st ''The Last Knight'' Campaign in Japan.
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[[File:AOEBlackKnightOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Gotta admit, this is ''awesome''.]]
*'''Black Knight Optimus Prime''' (Leader, 2015-[[August 3|08-03]])
**''Accessories'': Nemesis Sword, Sphere Shield

:Black Knight Optimus Prime is a [[black repaint]] of Armor Knight Optimus Prime (which is a retool of the first Leader Class Optimus Prime) in [[Nemesis Prime (AOE)|Nemesis Prime]]'s colors with an Autobot symbol, which is also a double reference to [[Eldedroid]]'s colors. His entire clear parts were cast in red.

:Black Knight Optimus Prime is a Toys"R"Us Japan exclusive.
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===''Lost Age Series''===
[[File:Takara-lost-age-series-battle-command-optimus-prime.jpg|thumb|Am I awesome?|right|upright=1.67]]
*'''Battle Command Optimus Prime''' ([[July 19|07-19]][[2014|-2014]]/4-[[2018]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''LA01'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Wing Backpack/Battle Station, 2 Hound's guns, 2 Sword-Guns, 2 face-guns, Sword of Judgement

:A roughly Voyager-sized mold of Optimus Prime. He transforms into a Western Star "5700 OP" concept truck as seen in the film, in ''4 steps'':
::1. Press 2 buttons on the truck steps make the side panels pop out in position.
::2. Fold down the front section to transform it's robot mode legs.
::3. Fold back the rear parts to form the kibble.
::4. Position the arms into place, and Optimus will announce "Transform!", with a classic transformation sound effect.
:Like Stomp & Chomp Grimlock, his truck kibble from the back can accommodate One-Steps and Power Battlers (Both Hasbro and TakaraTomy), activating his various voice clips and flashing lights by interacting with the magnets in their feet. He is notably less kibble than other AOE Optimus Primes...from the front, at least. The back and sides are not so promising with large chunks of Western Star truck kibble hanging off his legs, making him look as if he's wearing a petticoat. At least the jetpack helps balance the whole thing out...

:The Sword of Judgement included with this toy is the same mold as the weapon included with the ''Age of Extinction'' leader class Optimus but cast in flat grey rubbery plastic rather than the transparent plastic and paint operations of the initial release. This Optimus Prime erroneously features blue paint on his feet instead of the screen-accurate red.

:This Optimus Prime can tow the [[Armored Weapons Platform#Voyager Class toys|Mechtech Trailer]], though it lets the wheels lift off the ground.

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*'''Battle Command Optimus Prime & Bumblebee Strongest Tag Set''' (Multi-pack, [[October 18|10-18-]]2014)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''LA14'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Wing Backpack/Battle Station, 2 Hound's guns, 2 Sword-Guns, 2 face-guns, Sword of Judgement, 1-step Changer High Octane Bumblebee

:A re-released version of the figure above, packaged with a One-Step Changer High Octane Bumblebee, unchanged from its original Hasbro release.

:As with the Final Battle set below, this toy also won the Japan Toy Awards 2014 ceremony, which is indicated by a small, golden sticker on the left side.

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*'''Final Battle 4-Figure Set''' (Multi-pack, 2014-[[October 18|10-18]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''LA-SP'''

:The Japanese release of the Silver Knight Optimus Prime from the ''Age of Extinction Collection'' 6-pack set is bundled with 1-Step Helicopter Drift, Galvatron, and Slug.

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==''Construct-Bots''==
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Dinobot Riders, 2014)
**''Accessories'': Gun
: A smaller toy that can ride on Dinobots. He includes a small gun.

:His nominal Dinobot steed (if it wasn't already abundantly obvious) is [[Grimlock (AOE)|Grimlock]].
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*'''Dinofire Grimlock''' (Dinobot, 2014)
**''Accessories'': Gun
:Available only in the "Dinofire Grimlock" set, this Optimus is a slight redeco of the individual Dinobot Riders Optimus Prime, featuring a brighter shade of red and blue.
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*'''Optimus Prime with Gnaw''' (Dinobot Warriors, 2014)
: Optimus Prime transforms from a truck-thing to a robot. He includes a sword weapon and his Dinobot partner [[Gnaw (AOE)|Gnaw]] who can turn into a backpack, arm and chest armor, and a ''gigantic'' axe.
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*'''Grimlock with Silver Knight Optimus Prime''' (2014)
**''Accessories'': Gun, Sword
:Bundled with a redecoed Grimlock, Silver Knight Optimus Prime is a redeco of the Dinobot Riders Optimus Prime. He also comes with an extra sword accessory.

:The set was currently released as a Target exclusive.
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==''Legend Commander Collection''==
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (2014)
**''ID number:'' '''LC-04'''
:Part of the ''[[Legend Commander Collection]]'' sold at [[Transformers Expo]], Optimus Prime is an extensive redeco of the "One Step Changer" Optimus Prime, retaining the pin from the original mold. Remaining stock was sold through [[TakaraTomy Mall]].

:This mold was also used to make Silver Knight Optimus Prime from the One-Step Collection.
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==''Q-Transformers''==
[[File:QTransformers AOE Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2014)
**''ID number:'' '''QT-01E'''

:''[[Q-Transformers]]'' Optimus Prime is a [[super deformed]] toy based on his ''Age of Extinction'' design, transforming into a cute little Western Star 4900 SB. It was sold as an exclusive at Transformers Expo months before the proper release of the toyline. Being only one and a half inches tall, this is actually the smallest transformable figure of movie-verse Optimus Prime, and it even gets close to being the tiniest transformable Optimus Prime ever made if it wasn't for [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|another slightly smaller Q-Transformers release]].

:This mold was also used to make ''Q-Transformers'' [[Nemesis Prime (AOE)#Q-Transformers|Nemesis Prime]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Autobot/QTOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Q-Transformers'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

*'''Optimus Prime''' (2014-[[December 26|12-26]])
**''ID number:'' '''QT-01'''

:This standard retail version of ''Q-Transformers'' Prime is identical to the Transformers Expo release.

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*'''Optimus Prime (Watashi ni ii kangae ga aru)''' (2015-[[July 25|07-25]], 2016-[[January 30|01-30]])
**''ID number:'' '''QT-23''', '''QTF-01'''

:This Optimus Prime is a new mold that matches the character's more cartoony and simplified appearance in the ''[[Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns (cartoon)|Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns]]'' cartoon. The "Watashi ni ii kangae ga aru" added to his name means "I have a good idea" (私にいい考えがある). A line originally spoken by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|G1 Optimus Prime]] at various times in the Japanese dub of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]], it has a reputation as a catchphrase of his among Japanese fans and has been reused by many Optimus Primes since, including the Prime in the ''Q-Transformers'' cartoon.

:This toy was re-released with a new ID number as part of the second ''Q-Transformers'' series.

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*'''Q-Transformers Protagonists 3-Figure Set''' (2016-01-30)
**''ID number:'' '''QTFS-01 '''

:The second Optimus Prime toy was also sold in a three-pack with fellow cartoon main characters [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Q-Transformers|Bumblebee]] and [[Lockdown (ROTF)#Q-Transformers|Lockdown]]. They come with a cardboard backdrop to be displayed on that depicts a typical service area of a Japanese expressway, much like the real locations the characters stand around in in the cartoon.

:Although usually sold in Japanese markets, some department stores in Asia had sold the set as well.
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==Bearbrick==
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (2015)

: A special edition [[Bearbrick]] released in celebration of the ''Transformers'' 30th anniversary, Optimus Prime is a redeco of Bearbrick [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|G1 Optimus Prime]] in a deco based on his ''Age of Extinction'' appearance. He transforms from a Bearbrick painted up like himself to a bear-eared robot and comes with no accessories, but holes in his [[robot mode]] hands can accommodate other toys' weapons.

: This mold was redecoed into [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]] and retooled into [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Megatron]] and then further retooled with a new chest into [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Starscream]].

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==''Battle Masters''==
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*'''Optimus Prime / Grimlock''' (2015)

:A redeco of the sword-wielding version of ''[[Battle Masters]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Battle Masters)|Optimus Prime]], Silver Knight Optimus Prime is a non-transforming "Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots"-like toy with arms that punch through the use of levers in his legs. He can also be placed on the included controller handle, allowing the punches to be activated with a pair of triggers. Optimus Prime was only available in a Target-exclusive two-pack with [[Grimlock (AOE)#Battle Masters|Grimlock]].

::*''[https://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/BMTargetOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Silver Knight Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Movie The Best''==
===Voyager Class toys===
[[File:Transformers-Movie-MB-01-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, [[2017]]-[[February 4|02-04]])
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''MB-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion cannon, projectile/nozzle

:Released as part of TakaraTomy's ''[[Transformers Movie The Best]]'' toyline to conclude the 10th anniversary of the [[live-action film series]], this Optimus Prime is an extensive redeco of his Evasion mode toy. He also uses the faceplated head and the dark gray-colored Ion Cannon used for the Evolution 2-pack/''Platinum Edition'' 5-pack release. While his deco had taken cues from both the TakaraTomy release of Evasion Mode Optimus Prime and the ''Platinum Edition'' Breakout Battle figure, the weathering pattern bears a similar resemblance to his rusty version of the figure. Unfortunately, this release suffers from ''heavy'' mold degradation, particularly in the form of ill-fitting tabs around the truck front/shoulder area.

:Like the rest of the ''Movie The Best'' figures, Optimus Prime is packaged in vehicle mode.

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*'''Dino Ride Grimlock & Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2017-[[March 25|03-25]])
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''MB-09'''
:This reissue of Grimlock comes with a new non-transforming Optimus Prime mini figure, standing in the size of an ''Armada'' Mini-con. He also comes with his trademark sword & shield.
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===Leader Class toys===
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[[File:Transformers-Movie-MB-11-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|And the fandom finally rejoiced for real...]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Leader, 2017-[[March 25|03-25]])
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''MB-11'''
**''Accessories'': 2 fuel tank/exhaust assemblies - combine into Ion blaster, 2 Energon Swords, 2 Battle Hooks, Knuckle

:This Optimus Prime is an extensive screen-accurate redeco of the ''Dark of the Moon'' Supreme Class/Leader Class Striker retool, using the Ion Blaster accessory from the Buster Optimus Prime and the Toys"R"Us Japan-exclusive battle blade accessories. He also comes with the Knuckle piece and the Battle Hooks and uses the 2-2-1 articulated fingers featured from the second ''Asia Premium Series'' release. He also features a whopping 40 phrases recorded by [[Tesshō Genda]].

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[[File:TF-Movie-the-Best-MB-17-Optimus-Prime-Revenge-Edition.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You bought the ''Masterpiece'' Prime already? Come on.]]
*'''Optimus Prime (Revenge Version)''' (Leader, 2018-[[March 24|03-24]])
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''MB-17'''
**''Accessories'': 2 Energon Swords, 2 Battle Hooks, Knuckle, 2 fuel tank/exhaust assemblies - combine into Ion blaster

:Another release of the Leader Class Optimus Prime figure, now redecoed from the original ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Leader Class mold, but with the gimmick-less arms from the Supreme Class retool, and a pair of articulated fingers which was not previously used for the original release. He also retains his pair of Energon Swords, Hooks, and his Knuckle piece. He also retains the fuel tanks that can combine to form his ion blaster. In terms of deco, he features a darker plastic color and paint (which resulted in two-tone shades of silver & gunmetal), which is meant to go with this line's Jetfire.

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[[File:TF-Movie-the-Best-MB-20-Nemesis-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Just in case you don't want to customize your valuable Calibur Prime.]]
*'''Nemesis Prime''' (Leader, 2018-[[March 24|03-24]])
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''MB-20'''
**''Accessories'': Temenos Sword, Calibur Axe, Overshield/Fifth Wheel Hitch

:''Movie the Best'' Nemesis Prime is a redeco of the TakaraTomy exclusive Calibur Optimus Prime figure, with darker paint and plastic, and bright, metallic, purple eyes, and the mark of [[Quintessa (TLK)|Quintessa]] on his face. As for the weapons, the Caliber Axe uses translucent purple plastic instead of orange, and there is more silver at the base of the blade. The Overshield has black replacing the original's silver and purple replacing the original's bronze.

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==''Masterpiece Movie Series''==
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[[File:MPM4Optimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|...until this came. (''Hasbro version pictured'')]]
[[File:TF-Masterpiece-Takara-MPM-4-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|If you have bought the Hasbro release, then I have some bad news for you, and ''your wallet''.<br>(''TakaraTomy version pictured'')]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' ([[2017]])
**''ID number:'' '''MPM-4'''
**''TakaraTomy release date:'' [[September 30]], 2017
**''Accessories'': "[[Ion blaster|Rifle]]", 2 "[[Dual Energon Swords|Energy Swords]]", [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#MPM4|Matrix of Leadership]]

:Released to conclude the 10th Anniversary of the live-action film series, ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]] Movie Series'' Optimus Prime is a brand new mold that transforms from a 25 cm-tall robot (a little taller than MP-10 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#MP10|Convoy]]) resembling how the character appeared in the first live action movie into a <s>Kenworth W900</s> modified Peterbilt 379, in 43 steps, with many of the engineering cues being distinctively based and improved on the [[#Leader_Class_toys_2|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Leader Class mold]].

:The figure has diecast in its feet, shins, and abdomen. It features pinstriped flames, articulated fingers, a headsculpt with a face that can rotate between masked and unmasked modes in a method identical to Armor Knight Optimus Prime's, and an abdomen that opens to reveal a chamber housing a diecast Matrix of Leadership. He comes with said Matrix, his "Rifle" (aka "Ion Cannon"), and a pair of "Energy Swords" that tab in behind his wrists (the hands unfortunately have to be bent forward to accommodate these). All three weapons can combine and store on the trailer hitch in vehicle mode. Speaking of, Optimus can tow the [[Combat Deck (G1)#MP10|trailer]] from ''Masterpiece'' MP-10 Convoy (and its various redecoes).

:Though the figure does a much better job of conveying the on-screen character model than the ROTF Leader Class mold did, there are still a few inaccuracies—most notably the forearm and shoulder pad designs and the head/torso proportions. The final product also lacks certain paint details visible in stock and packaging imagery, such as the blue rings on his feet and the gold on his pelvis. It should be noted that this mold does not combine with [[Jetfire (Movie)#Leader Class toys|Jetfire]].

:The TakaraTomy release replaces the dark gray plastic on the Hasbro version with lighter gray as well as adding the missing paint apps shown on the box.

:In addition, it is very difficult, if not impossible for the vehicle mode to tab together properly. The entire cab assembly breaks apart very easily as the tabs lack sufficient friction to keep it together, resulting in either a gap forming between the front windows and the hood or part of the hood raising up. The pipes that are supposed to connect to the bottom of the smokestacks also don't swing out far enough to properly do so if the feet are tabbed together completely. When attempting to complete the cab assembly, it is advised to apply upward pressure on the front side barrels while pushing the cab downwards. A misassembly error is also present on all versions of the mold, where the roof hinges that connect the sides of the cabin are reversed.

:[[Starscream (G1)/toys#HasbroMP|As]] [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#HasbroMP|expected]], the [[:File:MPM4Optimus.jpg|Hasbro stock photos]] have the figure mistransformed in both modes. The backpack is a mess, the chest and torso bits aren't properly configured, and the smokestacks in truck mode aren't extended.

:In the United States, Canada, and Hasbro's Asian markets, ''Masterpiece Movie Series'' Optimus Prime was exclusively available from [[Toys"R"Us]], whereas in Spain, he saw a wider release, being at least available via the Spanish subsidiaries of [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] and Carrefour. It's currently unknown if he was also available in stores, or limited to online purchases. In Greece, he was officially available via at least one toy store chain, aptly named simply "Toys-Shop", but again might have been available online only.

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[[File:MPM-12-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Nekoptimus Prime.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' ([[2021]])
**''ID number:'' '''MPM-12'''
**''Accessories'': "Ion Blaster", [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#MPM12|Matrix of Leadership]]

:The second ''Masterpiece Movie Series'' Optimus Prime transforms from a robot based on his appearance in the ''Bumblebee'' mid-credits scene into an unlicensed approximation of a 1970s Marmon cab-over truck, rather than the Freightliner he appears as during the film's ending scene, much like the ''Studio Series'' toy [[#SS38|below]]. He comes with his "Ion Blaster" used in the Cybertron sequences in the film, which can be folded and stored behind his cab. He also includes a new [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#MPM12|Matrix of Leadership]], despite the Matrix never appearing or being mentioned in the movie. Similar to the ''Masterpiece Movies Series'' toy above, Optimus Prime can tow the [[Combat Deck (G1)#MP44|trailer]] included with MP-44 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#MP44|Convoy]].

:Unfortunately, due to reduced parts count and possibly cost-cutting measures, the trigonal [[kibble]] on his shoulders ends up slightly protruding on the vehicle mode. This also results in a somewhat amusing appearance for the truck mode, as the placement of the said kibble looks like it has a pair of cat-ears.

:Hasbro [https://www.instagram.com/p/CLtuM8DJeY9/ stock photography] depicts much brighter and saturated colors, as well as clear blue windows. TakaraTomy stock photography (right), which was revealed months later, features darker, more film-accurate colors, and clear grey windows.

:This toy was revealed on February 25, 2021 via live-stream. It will be a [[Target]] exclusive in the United States and a [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive in Canada.
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==''The Last Knight''==
===''Turbo Changers''===
[[File:TF-TLK-One-Step-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|TLK-07 Speed Changer Optimus Prime, now with Hasbro-esque paint apps! (No seriously, this is the TakaraTomy stock photo.)]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (One-Step Changer, 2017)
**''Japanese Name'': '''Speed Change Optimus Prime'''
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TLK-07'''
**''Japanese release date'': '''2017-[[April 29|04-29]]'''

:This Optimus Prime is a ''minor'' redeco of the One-Step Changer figure, ''omitting'' the paint apps on the knees, the flames on his shoulders, and changing the robot mode chest's deco. Along with his wavemate Bumblebee, Optimus Prime loses his pin on his leg, which is used to activate Stomp & Chomp Grimlock's pop-out weapons and gimmicks. As with the first wave of the Turbo Changers, Optimus features a nearly invisible tampograph on his vehicle front, which can be revealed with [[Dragonstorm#MegaTurboChanger|Mega Turbo Changer Dragonstorm]]'s UV-powered Cyberfire gimmick.

:In 2019, the toy was given away free for the school kids who attended the [https://art.parco.jp/parcomuseum/detail/?id=168 ”The World Of Transformers” Exhibition] held at the Parco Museum in Ikebukuro from March 15th to Monday, April 1st, 2019.

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*'''1-Step Turbo Changer 6 Pack''' (2017)
**''Accessories'': Axe, Club, 2 spear-like weapons, Scimitar, Shield

:This Optimus Prime is a redeco of the figure above, featuring red wheels and various Tech Spec-sque patterns on the legs & chest which can be decoded with their transparent red weapons, which is molded in a sprue similar to the ones used for the Arms Microns kits & ''Robots in Disguise (2015)'' Mini-Con figures. He can use any weapons included in this set, although his primary weapon is an axe.

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[[File:TF-TLK-Knight-Armor-Turbo-Changer-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''(Hasbro version pictured)'']]
[[File:TF-TLK-TC-01-Big-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''(TakaraTomy version pictured)'']]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Knight Armor Turbo Changer, 2017/2018)
**''Japanese Name'': '''Big Optimus Prime'''
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TC-01'''
**''Japanese release date'': '''2018-[[February 3|02-03]]'''

:Knight Armor Turbo Changer Optimus Prime is a Voyager-sized figure that transforms from truck to robot in just 2-steps: pulling his whole truck kibble to the front then fold down to complete the robot mode, although converting him back requires some few steps. His only articulation is the elbows, and he features 5mm compatible hands. He also features a "Knight Armor" gimmick, which consists of his mask popping out to his head with the press of the button on his chest. Take note that you need to flip back the mask manually before you turn him back into Truck Mode.

:The TakaraTomy release of the figure features extensive paint applications to resembles his on-screen appearances, and his pop-out mask is now vacuum metallized with some gold details.

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===''Tiny Turbo Changers''===
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Tiny Turbo Changer, 2017)
**''Series'': '''1''' & '''2'''
**''Bag Code'': '''I'''
:[[Tiny Turbo Changers]] Optimus Prime is a small, stumpy, soft-plastic [[blindpacking|blind-bagged]] mini-figure that changes from robot to a licensed Western Star 5700 OP Truck with just a few simple steps. He features ball-jointed shoulders and hands that are compatible with ''[[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' weapons and other 3mm post accessories. Like all Tiny Turbo Changers, his vehicle-mode tires do not spin, sorry.

:Being only an inch and three quarters half, he is the second smallest transformable movie version of Optimus Prime around, only losing the first spot to the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Q-Transformers|Q-Transformers]] version. Much like the normal-colors [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#TinyTurboChanger|Bumblebee]], he was available in both Series 1 and 2 of the line, with no noteworthy changes between releases. Not even their bag codes were altered. Their instruction books were updated to say "Series 2".

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*'''Optimus Prime / Steelbane / Bumblebee''' (3-pack, 2017)
**''Accessories'': "Autobot" weapons sprue (2 swords, flail-axe, left shield-half), "Decepticon" weapons sprue (2 cutlasses, knife, right shield-half)
:Released as part of the [[Target]]-[[exclusive]] ''Reveal The Shield'' subline, this Tiny Turbo Changer 3-pack contains a [[redeco]]ed Optimus Prime and [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#RtSTinyTurbo3pack|Bumblebee]] (in their first non-blindpacked release) and a new [[Steelbane#TinyTurboChanger|Steelbane]] figure. This version of Optimus features red wheels & [[Tech Spec]]-esque patterns on his robot mode chest and... groin-flaps, though the ''real'' decoding is on his vehicle mode roof, which when seen through the attached clear-red weapons (or similar plastic device) reveals... an Autobot symbol. Surprise.

:Despite being a store-exclusive, the 3-pack containing this figure absolutely choked store shelves thanks to their [[shelfwarmer|inability to sell]], and were still available in plentiful numbers two years after the film's release.
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===''Titan Changers''===
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Titan Changers, 2017)

:''Titan Changers'' Optimus Prime is an all new mold that transforms from a tall robot into a truck in just 4 easy steps!

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===Legion Class toys===
{{Note|All of the Legion Class Optimus Prime toys features an undocumented feature of him combining with Legends Class Jetfire.}}
[[File:TF-TLK-Legion-Class-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|With this toy, I will make people think that I went back to my old body like Bumblebee has!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legion Class, 2017)

:Legion Class Optimus Prime is a redeco/retool of the first ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends Class figure, with the deco resembling the paint job from Optimus Prime's Western Star "5700 OP" concept truck. While the main body is identical to the figure, the arms and legs are newly tooled, with simple assemblies for the wheels. The retooled legs now features a more solid stopping point, which prevents the center front grill/legs to swing back further. It should be noted that his flame decals are ''painted over'' the side windows.

:The newly tooled legs also feature unreasonably long pegs to secure their connection in vehicle mode. They have a tendency to snap off over time, though this doesn't affect the toy too much.

:In 29th August to 29th September, the entire 1st wave of ''The Last Knight'' Legion Class figures that almost ''massively'' shelfwarmed in Malaysia's Toys"R"Us stores was sold as a giveaway item for the customers who purchased ''The Last Knight'' toys in a price of RM200 (approx $46) in a single receipt. Optimus is one of the four.

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[[File:TF-TLK-Walmart-Legion-2-pack-Optimus-Prime-and-Ravenspar-box.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Who are you, again?]]
*'''Optimus Prime and Ravenspar''' (Walmart 2-pack, 2017)

:This unchanged release of Legion Class Optimus Prime is packed with [[Ravenspar]], a redeco of [[Soundwave (WFC)#Cyberverse|''Prime'' Cyberverse Soundwave]].

:He was packaged with Ravenspar, and was unchanged from the standard Last Knight Legion. As far as can be told, the set never actually hit Walmarts, and ultimately saw release at US discount retailers, primarily Ross stores. Of note, the set did see release in ASDA, Walmart's UK branch of stores.

:...Until the set was restocked on Walmart US's website years later, in 2021. That was kinda weird.

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*'''Optimus Prime and Grimlock''' (Toys"R"Us 2-pack, 2017)

:Available with Grimlock, this Optimus Prime is a redeco (or possibly a repaint) of the figure above, featuring extra paint applications on the chest and thighs, and he features a different flame pattern on his side doors. His Autobot insignia is now tampographed on his right arm. The cyberglyphs on his front hood is confusingly translated as "PRIME". The 2-pack also comes with a card, which the glyphs being decoded as "DINOBOTS". Optimus Prime and Grimlock also saw release as a Toys"R"Us Japan exclusive, making this Optimus Prime redeco/slight retool to be first sold at Japanese markets.

:The final product retains the simple-assembly wheels rather than being assembled with rivet pins seen in the stock photos.
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*'''Optimus Prime (Clear Ver)''' (2017)

:This Legion Class Optimus Prime is a transculent redeco of the mold above, utilizing the retooled pegs and the deco pattern from the Toys"R"Us 2-pack. He is made available for the [http://www.doll-museum.jp/4524 Transformers 35th Anniversary exhibition held at Yokohama Doll Museum], given away for elementary school students who purchased the tickets.

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*'''Transformers Fanbook 2020''' (TV-Magazine Mook, 2020)

:This release of the Optimus Prime figure is unchanged from the "Optimus Prime and Grimlock" 2-pack, bundled with a slightly redecoed Megatron as part of the "Battle Set" freebie included in this book released by Kodansha.
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===''Allspark Tech''===
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Starter Set, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Cube, USB cord

:''Allspark Tech'' Optimus Prime transforms from a Rescue Bots-styled robot into a deformed Western Star truck and back. As a Starter pack, he comes with electronic Allspark Cube that can fit on his chest cavity, which gives him different sound effects for his robot & vehicle modes. He also comes with a USB cord, mostly used for recharging.

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*'''Shadow Spark Optimus Prime''' (Starter Set, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Cube, USB cord

:''Allspark Tech'' Shadow Spark Optimus Prime is a redeco of the figure above, based on his Nemesis Prime alter ego seen in the movie. His electronic cube could probably feature different sound effects.

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===''Premier Edition''===
====Deluxe Class toys====
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*'''Optimus Prime 2-Pack''' (2017)
**''Accessories'': MechTech Blaster/Energon Battle Axe, Gun/missile/flame attachment

:This 2-pack release of Optimus Primes are redecoes of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys|''Transformers'' (2007) Protoform Optimus Prime]], and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 2|''MechTech'' Deluxe Class Optimus Prime]].

:"Cybertron Optimus Prime" new features a darker grey plastic, and mostly shares the same paint mask to the original Deluxe class figure, with added paint details on his head and the mesh-like pattern on the front of his "entry" mode. The silver paint on his chest was slightly changed from the original and he lacks the paint on his feet, his "headlights", and the top of his "entry" mode. Lastly, he features Cyberglyphics on his vehicle mode windows, and the rear sides of the vehicle. His flame attachment is now cast in translucent red plastic with orange sprays.

:Although ''MechTech'' Optimus Prime's deco is similar to the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 2|first Deluxe Class figure]], some of his parts (robot shoulder flaps, chest piece/truck front) were recast in blue plastic (with the chest being painted red), and his paint applications on the pelvis, headlights & thighs are omitted. His front truck hood/backpack's deco is altered: the truck steps and the fenders were painted blue, and the gold gradients on the flame tampographs are removed, while he features additional flame tampos on both sides of his front hood, and an Autobot Insignia on his left robot shoulder. He still retains the light-piping gimmick, but cast in clear plastic, with the eyeballs being (halfheartedly) painted with clear blue. His MechTech weapon is cast in transparent orange plastic, with the exception of the scope/lever and the gun barrel, which remained opaque silver plastic due to being cast with unpaintable plastic. He also features Cyberglyphics on the left side of his vehicle mode front hood.

:All Cyberglyphs in this set translate to "PRIME"
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====Voyager Class toys====
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[[File:TF-TLK-Voyager-Class-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"No, I'm way more awesome than [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Lost Age Series|you]]!"]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2017)
**''Accessories'': Sword, Shield

:This Voyager-sized Optimus Prime is an all-new mold (with a similar transformation scheme to [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Generations|''Age of Extinction'' Voyager Class Galvatron]], notably the shoulders, rooftop backpack, and the leg/wheels combo) based on his Leader Class figure. He features a similar but different transformation scheme, which results in a somewhat clean robot mode, although most of his vehicle kibble hangs on his back. He also features the sword & the shield based on his final design in the movie, albeit the sword being painted similarly to the Armor Knight Optimus Prime's sword. His Sword can store underneath his Vehicle mode or his robot mode backpack, while the shield can be stored on the truck's fifth wheel hitch, which can also tow the trailer included from the Japanese exclusive [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#VoyagerTrailer|Mechtech Voyager]]. Although the pectoral armor can be slightly pushed up a little bit further, the pieces have to actually stop at where the rectangular peg holes are located.

:Surprisingly, this was also the first Hasbro exclusive transforming Movie Optimus Prime figure to be based on the final design seen in ''Age of Extinction''. He even features the forearms that Prime had before obtaining the Sword of Judgement, which unfortunately means that he is inaccurate to his appearance in the battle of Hong Kong and the entirety of ''The Last Knight''. The sword's blade is still painted as the heated-up version from the concept art.

[[File:Shellformer_TLK.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Continuing the family [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#"First Edition" toys|tradition.]]]]
:Like the larger ''First Edition'' figure, you can actually separate the robot mode from his vehicle shell, displaying both of his modes at once... albeit unlike the ''First Edition'' figure, this tweak could sacrifice the even stability between those two separated figures. Some of the pieces like the legs/rear wheels are particularly difficult to separate.

:While he can tow the [[Armored Weapons Platform#Voyager Class toys|Mechtech Trailer]], it cannot turn left or right due to the gray trailer hitch slightly pressing against the trailer's landing gear joints, and it ''slightly'' lifts the trailer with the front-rear tires lifting off the ground. The 2018 giveaway event-exclusive [[Quad Barrel Shotgun#Generations|Quad Barrel Shotgun]] accessory can be used for this figure.

:The Hasbro stock photos of the toy are ''slightly'' mistransformed: his pectoral armor is not folded correctly in robot mode. At least a ''very small'' number of units feature a faceplate-less head sculpt which was probably intended for a later retool, but there is no news about this pretool being released in the future. This figure was also released in Toys"R"Us Japan on May 1st, 2017 as a store exclusive, likewise identical to the Hasbro release.

:The CG stock photos feature extra silver paint apps on the lower thighs and hands, which the final product does not feature.

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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Toys"R"Us Giveaway, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Sword, Shield

:Released as one of the prizes from the "Midnight Madness" event in a Toys R'Us in Singapore, this Optimus Prime is a redeco (of sorts) of the Voyager Class figure. The figure's deco is unchanged from the standard release, but he now has weathered battle damage paint all over him (yes, this includes applying to unpaintable plastic). In addition, the bright yellow paint is applied onto the blade.

:In some countries like Malaysia, Prime could be obtained by buying some certain items in an expensive price, given away along with a similarly 'battle-damaged' redeco of [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]]. He was also released as a prize figure for the Transformers Atrium Fair in Takashimaya B2 Atrium located in Singapore from 13 till 26th June 2017.

:He was also available at the movie launch event in a Toys R'Us in Hong Kong, as a prize for spending HKD$1,500 on Transformers-related products.

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[[File:TF-TLK-7net-Dark-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Once again proving Takara's superiority, only for double the price!]]
*'''Dark Optimus Prime''' (Omni7 exclusive Voyager Class, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Sword, Shield

:This exclusive redeco of Optimus Prime features darker shades of red and blue than his other releases and has extensive paint applications to resemble his on-screen appearances in ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'', particularly his Nemesis Prime alter ego seen in the film. To that end, he features movie-accurate flame patterns, which are larger and more elaborate than the ones on the regular release or the SDCC exclusive, on his vehicle mode exterior and robot pectoral armor. His eyes and sword are also painted metallic purple, but his shield is completely unpainted for some reason.

:Dark Optimus Prime could be purchased along with advance tickets for ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'' via movie cards from June 25, 2017, on the Omni7 website, and from September 29, 2017, if the item was purchased without advance tickets.

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[[File:TF-TLK-MyNews-Lucky-Draw-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Ksatria Emas.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (MyNEWS Lucky Draw Prize, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Sword

:Available as a Lucky Draw prize for the Malaysian news and convenience store MyNEWS, this Optimus Prime figure features a gold chrome finish on ''every'' plastic on him (and yes, this ''probably'' includes unpaintable plastic).
:The only way to obtain the prize was:
:#Purchase any Transformers product worth RM30 (approx $7 in the US) in a single receipt from any myNEWS store (Well, the only TF-related items in this store were ''Robots in Disguise'' Tiny Titans, ''The Last Knight'' Tiny Turbo Changers, and ''Generations'' Alt-modes)
:#Take a photo with your Transformers collections.
:#Like their Facebook page, and post your photo and your receipt as a comment under the contest’s posting on the official Facebook page with their ''The Last Knight''-related hashtags.
:#And finally, submit your entry by emailing your photo and receipt to their e-mail address.

:And oh, not to mention that the figure was limited to 10 pieces, so uh, good luck.

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[[File:TF-TLK-SDCC2017-Voyager-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Takara is better than us? We'll show them! give him the best paint apps we got! And give them the free extra tire piece."]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (SDCC 2017 exclusive Voyager Class, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Sword, Shield, Tire piece

:The ''San Diego Comic-Con 2017'' exclusive Optimus Prime figure is another redeco of the ''Premier Edition'' figure, which aims for a more movie-accurate look than the original by still sharing the same paint masks, but replacing the chest's deco with flames and adding extra paint applications on the legs, arms, chest, head, tire rims, both sides of the engine compartment, and the sword and shield... but for some reason still sports the movie-inaccurate blue 'collar', as well as the smaller, less accurate vehicle flame tampographs instead of the more movie-accurate ones used on Dark Optimus Prime. His Autobot insignia is also moved on the upper back section of the air dam. He is packaged in a stylish, display-case-like-box similar to later ''Transformers: Alternators'' releases and the Hasbro Toy Shop/SDCC 2011 exclusive figure.

:Hilariously, Optimus Prime also comes with an ''authentic tire piece'' from a Western Star 5700XE truck (no seriously, look it up.). His stock photo is also ''slightly'' mistranformed: his pectoral armor is not rotated properly in robot mode. Also, the fifth wheel hitch pieces seem to be missing on his robot mode stock photos.

:Remaining stock was sold through Hasbro Toy Shop.

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[[File:TF-TLK-Reveal-Your-Shield-Voyager-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|THE WEAPONS OF MINE GLOWS WITH AN AWESOME POWER! IT'S GIMMICK TELLS ME TO READ MY PATTERNS!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Reveal the Shield Voyager Class, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Sword, Shield
:This redeco of the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 4|''Dark of the Moon'' Voyager Class Optimus Prime]] figure features a really unusual deco pattern consisting of red transparent tires, the vehicle front grill and fuel tanks (the fenders remained opaque red due to unpaintable plastic). Some of his parts like the vehicle front hood and the truck roof feature a pattern similar to the ones used for the [[Tech Spec]]s in the ''Generation 1'' toys. He features a new sword and shield accessory, which can be used to decode the patterns.

:In the United Kingdom, this Optimus Prime was released as an Argos exclusive along with several other sets branded as part of the ''Reveal the Shield'' [[subline imprint]]. His United States release was initially claimed to be exclusive to [[Target]] by online retailers from Asia, but even though the other ''Reveal the Shield'' products eventually became available at Target, Voyager Class Optimus Prime was released as a [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive in the United States instead, complete with a "Toys"R"Us exclusive" sticker. Also, both his United States and Asian releases lack the "Reveal the Shield" logo the United Kingdom release has (but still feature the "Reveal hidden images" call-out).

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*'''Optimus Prime Clear Version''' (2017)
**''Release Date'': 2017-[[November 13|12-13]]
**''Accessories'': Sword, Shield

:This limited edition redeco of ''Premier Edition'' Optimus Prime features almost entirely clear plastic (some parts remain opaque due to unpaintable plastic), and he was available as a 7net online shop exclusive. He can be obtained if the customers purchase the movie's different releases:
:1. Blu-Ray + DVD + Special Features Blu-Ray.
:2. 3D + Blu-Ray + Special Features Blu-Ray.
:3. 4K + + Blu-Ray + Special Features Blu-Ray.
:4. 5 Movie Collection either Blu-Ray or DVD versions.

:This version of Prime shares his paint masks with Dark Optimus Prime (see above), but uses silver instead of charcoal gray for the painted sections.

====Leader Class toys====
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[[File:TF-TLK-Leader-Class-Shadow-Spark-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Not Nemesis Prime, we swea...wait, maybe I am!]]
*'''Shadow Spark Optimus Prime''' (2017)
**''Accessories'': Sword of Judgment, Vector Shield

:Released exclusively in Asia, Shadow Spark Optimus Prime is a redeco of the ''Age of Extinction'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Leader Class toys 5|Leader Class Optimus Prime]], featuring dark grey plastics, weathered deco patterns, and some opaque plastic which was recasted from transparent plastics. He features a scratched Autobot insignia on the right side of his sleeper-cab, and a Cyberglyphic on the left side of the front hood. Some weathered parts does not match well with some other parts (the fenders, for example).

:In May 2017, the figure was released as a lucky draw item by Coca-Cola, along with the limited edition cans, as part of the China's promotion for the movie. On the other hand, Shadow Spark Optimus Prime also became a ''massive'' shelfwarmer in several Asian Toys"R"Us stores.

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[[File:TF-TLK-Leader-Class-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I stripped all of my chrome. Now would you buy me?]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2017)
**''Accessories'': Sword of Judgement, Vector Shield

:This Optimus Prime is a somewhat/nearly screen-accurate redeco of the Leader Class figure, but uses the original Leader mold instead of the Armor Knight retool unfortunately. In comparison to the first ''Age of Extinction'' Leader Class figure, his vacuum-metalized front truck bumper, sun visors, robot mode chest, smokestacks and side tanks chest was omitted, revealing the grey plastic underneath. His chromed chest was also stripped of chrome for adding paint operations, his shield was unpainted, and both of his sword and truck mode windows were casted in colorless plastic. He also features some extra silver paint on his robot mode forehead, and his white-colored Autobot insignia is slightly tampographed on the left. And lastly, his light-piping eyes is neutered by blue paint.

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[[File:TF-TLK-15-Caliber-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|No, buy me. My fifth wheel can form into my shield, and I'm better than ''you''.]]
*'''Calibur Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, 2017-[[July 15|07-15]])
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TLK-15'''
**''Accessories'': Temenos Sword, Calibur Axe, Overshield/Fifth Wheel Hitch, Energon Sword (limited edition)

:Calibur Optimus Prime is a retool of the Armor Knight Optimus Prime figure, who is a retool of the original ''Age of Extinction'' Leader Class figure, with the fifth wheel hitch now forming his handheld shield based on the one used in [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]], which results in a backpack-less robot mode and an additional [[partformer|partforming]] gimmick to boot, although the shield still can be converted into a backpack like the original Leader Class mold do. He also comes with an axe based on the one used in the third film.

:The initial release of the figure comes with a limited edition Energon Sword. According to [https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%BF%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A9%E3%83%88%E3%83%9F%E3%83%BC-%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC-TLK-15-%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AA%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AA%E3%83%97%E3%83%86%E3%82%A3%E3%83%9E%E3%82%B9%E3%83%97%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A0/dp/B072FVY1SX/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1498192402&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=TLK+optimus#productDetails Amazon Japan's page], the included Energon Sword & Axe is also compatible with ''Movie the Best'' MB-11 Optimus Prime figure (seen above), which basically makes Calibur Optimus Prime a weapon expansion pack for said figure.

:In an amusing (but glaring) example of poor quality control in a Takara product, the back of the packaging features a small amount of [[Engrish]], notably the word "kinetic" being written as "''Kinetic'''k'''''". The bio also mentions the elemental metal as the "Cyber-Matter" living metal, which is used for the Aligned continuity family. Oddly, TakaraTomy's stock photo of the robot mode figure was later used as a cutout "battle figure" included with Telebi Magazine's [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#TVMagazineEZ|Burning Megatron]].

:The Calibur Axe was later redecoed into "Bronze Caliber Axe", as a giveaway accessory for the 3rd ''The Last Knight Final Battle Campaign'' in Japan. In 2018, Optimus Prime is released along with [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#TLKLeader|Megatron]] as part of the TakaraTomy Mall exclusive "Optimus Prime VS Megatron" set.

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===''Turbo Change Series''===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Turbo Changer, 2018)
**''Japanese Release Date'': '''[[April 21]], 2018'''
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TC-06'''
:This ''Turbo Change Series'' Optimus Prime toy is mostly identical to ''The Last Knight'' Turbo Changer toy, but with new packaging. Like most of the wave's Turbo Changers, Optimus Prime's pin on the leg is most likely to be restored for activating the second Battle Command Optimus Prime toy's (See below) gimmicks.

:In 2019, the toy was given away free for the school kids who attended the [https://art.parco.jp/parcomuseum/detail/?id=168 ”The World Of Transformers” Exhibition] held at the Parco Museum in Ikebukuro from March 15th to Monday, April 1st, 2019.

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*'''Battle Command Optimus Prime''' (2018)
**''Japanese Release Date'': '''April 21, 2018'''
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TC-09'''
**''Accessories'': Trailer/Wing Backpack/Battle Station, 2 Hound's guns, 2 Sword-Guns, 2 face-guns, Sword of Judgment, Vector Shield
:This ''Turbo Change Series'' Optimus Prime toy is a slight redeco/retool of the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Lost Age Series|''Lost Age Series'' toy]]. Deco changes include omitting the flame tampos on his legs and shoulder, and added blue pinstripes on the Trailer/Wing Backpack to evoke his ''Generation 1'' toy's trailer. This toy also features some new parts like the screen-accurate forearms, the command deck for the smaller ''Turbo Change Series'' toys, and the trailer's adapter. His usual Sword of Judgment is now replaced with a screen-accurate mold that is similar to the Armor Knight toy's sword, and he now features a new Vector Shield piece, which can convert into a battle axe.

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*'''Battle Command Optimus Prime - Strongest Directive Set''' (Multipack, 2018)
**''Japanese release date'': '''[[October 27]], 2018'''
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TC-13'''
**''Accessories'': Trailer/Wing Backpack/Battle Station, 2 Hound's guns, 2 Sword-Guns, 2 face-guns, Sword of Judgment, Vector Shield
:This ''Turbo Change Series'' Battle Command Optimus Prime is later re-released, along with redecoes of Bumblebee and Drift.

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[[File:TF-Turbo-Change-Series-TC-14-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|In an alternate reality, the KSI succeeds on creating their own [[Optimus Prime clone]].]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Turbo Changer, 2018)
**''Japanese release date'': '''[[December 27]], 2018'''
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TC-14'''
:This ''Turbo Change Series'' Optimus Prime is an all-new mold, sharing the same transformation scheme with the [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Robots in Disguise|One-Step Changer Galvatron]]. Like the ''Bumblebee'' Speed Series [[#Energon Igniters|Optimus Prime]] and Leader Class [[#Leader Class toys 8|Legendary Optimus Prime]] toys below, this toy is not accurate to his appearance in the [[Bumblebee (film)|''Bumblebee'' film]].

:Unfortunately, this Turbo Change Optimus Prime suffers from poor quality control, which consists of seemingly fragile arms & faulty transformation.
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==''Tribute''==
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[[File:TF-Tribute-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|After 10 years, it's time to buy me again.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, 2017)
**''Japanese Release Date'': [[2017]]-[[August 31|08-31]]
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TLK-EX'''
**''Accessories'': Removable Ion blaster, 1 missile

:''[[Transformers Tribute]]'' Optimus Prime is a redeco of the [[#Leader_Class_toys|2007 Leader Class toy]], to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the [[live-action film series]]. While the deco's paint mask is the same as the said figure, he features a more saturated blue and red, and chromed feet/front grills and front fenders used for the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#LeaderMA21|MA-21]] redeco, and he also features chrome on both sides of the stomach. While the Hasbro stock photo shows that his feet are ''slightly'' mistransformed in robot mode, the Takara stock photos shows his feet correctly flipped out.

:He was initially released in some Asian countries without any prior announcement from Hasbro itself. He was also released as an Amazon Japan exclusive.

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[[File:TF-Tribute-2-pack-Orion-Pax.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Look into my eyes and it's easy to see: one and one make two, two and one make three, it was destiny.]]
[[File:TF-Tribute-2-pack-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Once every hundred-thousand years or so, when the sun doth shine and the moon doth glow and the grass doth grow...]]
*'''Optimus Prime & Orion Pax''' (Evolution Pack, [[2017]])
**''Japanese Release Date'': 2017-[[August 31|08-31]]
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''TLK-EX'''
**''Accessories'': Orion Pax's 2 guns, Titan Master, Optimus Prime's gun

:Released as part of a new line called ''[[Transformers Tribute]]'', Orion Pax is a redeco of ''Titans Return'' [[Kup (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Sergeant Kup]], and transforms from a red-and-blue Cybertronic pickup truck which is also an homage to <s>Generation 1 [[Crosshairs (G1)#Generation 1|Crosshairs]]'s vehicle mode </s> [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Collector's Edition|G1 Optimus's e-HOBBY toy]]. His Titan Master, retooled from [[Recoil (G1)#Generations|Flintlock]], features a new face that is based on the [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Deluxe|''Thrilling 30'' Orion Pax toy]]. As a redeco of the Kup mold, Orion Pax still suffers the leg panel misassembly.

:The set also includes a redeco of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Generations|''Generations War for Cybertron'']] Optimus Prime figure, which changes the original figure's dark red plastic to a brighter, more vibrant red, changes the gray plastic to a darker charcoal tone, changes the "windows" from gray to nearly black, and replaces most of the original figure's pink-ish red paint details (which were yellow on the redeco from the "Rage over Cybertron" three-pack) to teal.

:The use of a G1-based Orion Pax design and an Aligned-based Optimus Prime design with Movie Optimus Prime packaging art makes it hard to know where on the wiki this should go, but given the general movie-themed bent of the ''Tribute'' line, we're putting it here. Continuing the tradition, the 2-pack was first released in some Asian countries like Taiwan without any prior announcement from Hasbro itself. A few months after the 2-pack's release, ''Tribute'' Optimus Prime & Orion Pax saw worldwide release through [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]], including an Amazon Japan listing bearing a ''The Last Knight'' ID number.

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==''Generations''==
===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-Generations-Studio-Series-05-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The face-taker returns...]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, [[2018]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''05'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-05'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': '''[[April 28]], 2018'''
**''Accessories'': Two [[Dual Energon Swords|Energon Sword]]s, "Forest Fight" backdrop (1st version)

:''[[Studio Series]]'' Optimus Prime transforms from a robot into a Peterbilt 379 semi-truck. He comes with a pair of [[Dual Energon Swords|Energon Sword]]s, which can be mounted onto his arms or store on the back of his robot mode or truck mode. The figure combines engineering concepts from his ''Age of Extinction'' Voyager Class figure with techniques previously used on ''Prime: First Edition'' [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Prime: First Edition|Optimus Prime]]. He also features a more subdued color scheme compared to other Optimus Prime figures. Like the rest of the ''Studio Series'' figures, the figure prioritizes robot mode [[scale]] and thus stands shorter than his Voyager Class wavemate [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Studio Series|Starscream]]. The CG renders depict him possessing long smokestacks, but the final product has them shortened... again. He also comes with a cardboard backdrop display depicting the forest battle from ''Revenge of the Fallen''.

:While the 5mm compatible arms can fit with most weapons with the same post size, some of the weapons' handles can barely fit on it due to either the slightly thickened tab or sculpted thin panels.

:The rear truck cabin/back kibble can turn slightly floppy over time in robot mode, as there are no tabs and holes to secure it. This mold is not meant to combine with [[Jetfire (Movie)#Generations|Jetfire]], although it can be achieved with some [[Fan mode|fiddling]]. However, it ''can'' carry (but not combine with) ''Studio Series'' 44 Optimus Prime's trailer.

:While stock photos and renders show the figure with a faceplate, this [https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/a.153259298077606.36631.146805978722938/1859790330757819/?type=3&theater image] posted by the Transformers Facebook page shows him with his mouth exposed. This was later found as a variant at least [http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/05/07/transformers-studio-series-optimus-prime-faceplate-less-variant-images-363449 once]. A running change was made, changing the blades to be more translucent. The semi-translucent blades release features a date code "73461", whereas the translucent orange blades version features a date code written as "80171".

:TakaraTomy's stock photo of the robot mode is mistransformed on the right elbow: His forearm is bent ''back'' instead of the front.

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[[File:TF-Studio-Series-Voyager-Class-2007-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|For the people who complained about my first release above.]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2018)
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''32'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-25'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': '''[[March 23]], 2019'''
**''Accessories'': [[Ion blaster]], "Highway Showdown" backdrop

:Released to commemorate the 10th anniversary of ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' (though sold under the first ''Transformers'' film's branding), this ''Studio Series'' Optimus Prime is an extensive retool of the figure above, featuring many new parts, namely a new backpack, chest piece, Back of thighs, forearms, a (removable) abdominal area, and lower legs with a pair of non-transforming fenders. These new parts lead to [[Show-accuracy|a better resemblance to his appearance in the first two movies]] and allow him to combine with ''Studio Series'' [[Jetfire (Movie)#Generations|Jetfire]] to form "Jetwing Optimus Prime," while resulting in a somewhat more involved transformation. His color scheme features a much higher contrast than the previous release. Unfortunately, as a trade-off for having a more accurate robot mode, his vehicle mode suffers; his front drive tires lift off the ground, he’s missing the toolboxes behind his fuel tanks, some of his robot mode kibble is exposed beneath his doors, and several of the floodlights above his windshield are gone.

[[File:Jet Optimus SS.jpg|left|thumb]]
:Instead of Energon Swords, he now comes with an [[Ion blaster]] like that used in the battle of [[Mission City]]. It can be stored on various rectangular peg holes on Prime's vehicle mode or on the larger rectangular pegs on his cab nose/forearms or robot mode back. While Optimus can use the first mold's blades, the new backpack's design prevents the swords from being stored, and using the intended "underslung" grip displaces his forearm armor slightly. He also comes with a cardboard backdrop display depicting the highway fight with [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] from the first ''Transformers'' film. Since the Leader Class figure below is a redeco of this one, it should come as no surprise that this one is fully compatible with the trailer and jet pack.

:As the front grills rely on the hook-and-tab assembly to complete the truck mode and combined to the fact that they're molded in translucent plastic with silver entirely painted on it, the painted tabs can chip off after many transformations, slightly breaking the front grill assembly apart, leaving a ''very small'' gap. Care must be taken when combining him with Jetfire, as it can place much stress on the hinges that the grills are connected to.

:The packaging stock photo features him having a misassembled hip, which is facing backwards. Speaking of misassembly, a small amount of Optimuses have two left or right upper arms. These errors prevent the front section from fully transforming. This can be identified by viewing the front section while he's still in-package.

:His rear wheels were later reused for [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|''Earthrise'' Optimus Prime]].

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[[File:Studio-Series-38-MVBB-Voyager-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|300px|''[[Legislator|Nineteen eighty-four.]]'']]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, [[2019]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''38'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-30'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': '''[[April 27]], 2019'''
**''Accessories'': Ion blaster, "[[Golden Gate Bridge|San Francisco Bridge]]" backdrop

:The third ''Studio Series'' Optimus Prime is based on his appearance in ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'', and as such closely resembles the [[Optimus Prime (G1)|G1 Optimus design]]. He transforms into an unlicensed approximation of a 1970s Marmon cab-over truck, rather than the Freightliner he appears as during the film's final scene. Optimus comes with the [[Ion blaster]] he is seen wielding in the film's Cybertron sequences and a backdrop featuring the [[Golden Gate Bridge]] where he meets up with Bumblebee.

:While his truck mode scales with most of the ''Studio Series'' brethren, Optimus's robot mode shares the same height as his other Optimuses in this section, which means that he towers over his original size in the film. Unlike his appearance in the movie, this Optimus's design closely resembles [[Mark Yang]]'s concept art of the character, complete with flat feet. Unlike most of the ''Studio Series'' figures, this Optimus doesn't have any insignia tampographed or sculpted on. The silver weathering on his stomach varies from figure-to-figure.

:Unfortunately, the grey lower leg panels tend to disconnect/dislodge if the feet are swiveled, or if the pressure is applied downwards while standing. The silver-painted hinged panels on the sides of his truck mode (and to an extent, the painted crotch) are prone to chipping due to being involved in the transformation.

:This Optimus Prime cannot tow the [[Armored Weapons Platform#Voyager Class toys|MechTech Trailer]] due to the still-too-far-forward hitch port. It can, however, hitch up properly with the ''Studio Series'' Leader Class trailer below, though the fifth wheel's 5mm hole isn't wide enough to properly connect with the 7mm hitching peg. Placing the peg in the hitch holds it loosely in place, which is fine for static posing but likely to fall off with play.

:This toy was one of the items that was released as part of Hasbro's Transformers 35th Anniversary promotional mailer box<ref>https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/21/transformers-35th-anniversary-promo-box-in-hand-388546</ref> and was also given a repaint as part of TakaraTomy's own [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#35th Anniversary|35th Anniversary exclusive set]].

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[[File:SS-Leader-DOTM-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=2.66|thumb|Takes your wallet ''and'' your face.]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Leader Class, 2019)
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''44'''
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''Jetwing Optimus Prime'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-39'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': '''[[August 31]], 2019'''
**''Accessories'': Trailer/[[Armored Weapons Platform]]/Omega Combat Armor, 2 cannons, [[Energon-axe]], [[Dual Energon Swords|Energon Sword]], Shield, Ion blaster, abs piece, "Battle of Chicago" backdrop (2nd version)

:This Optimus Prime is a redeco/retool of the second toy with a new stomach area that is molded to be accurate to his appearance in ''Dark of the Moon'', complete with a new trailer forming his weapons platform and combat armor. He also comes with two cannons, an energon axe, a shield, an energon sword, and a slightly redecoed (de-decoed?) ion blaster from the second toy, losing its blackened barrel. His fellow Leader Class Autobot, [[Jetfire (Movie)#Studio Series|Jetfire]], comes packaged with a replacement ''Transformers'' and ''Revenge of the Fallen''-accurate abdomen piece, allowing them to combine... though the piece is color-matched to Optimus's first ''Studio Series'' 05 release, a figure that lacks this figure's new molding and is thus incompatible with Jetfire. In addition to the new deco and molding, the hinges in his back that the panels with the fuel tanks are attached to now have pins, preventing the pieces from popping off when swiveling them into position during conversion.

:In terms of deco, Optimus features gradient orange paint on his forearms/truck front which the Voyager Class release didn't have, while the formerly transparent parts are now cast in opaque blue plastic, with both his real and [[kibble#"Faux-parts"|faux windows]] painted silver. Meanwhile, the CG stock renders feature several color and deco details that are inaccurate to the final toy; notably, the joints on his grille section are shown to be orange rather than gray, the windows are shown to be transparent rather than opaque, and all the weapons are shown to be painted, even though the only weapon that actually features ''any'' paint on the final toy is the sword. Conversely, both the CG render ''and'' the near-final stock photo of the robot mode show the new abdomen piece as being painted in a single red color, while the final product (including the TakaraTomy stock photos) have the details in the center section painted in movie-accurate silver.

:The CG render on the front packaging is a rather lazily-edited version of the Optimus Prime art (complete with ''Revenge of the Fallen''-styled abdomen), with the Jetwing unit slapped on his back. There are also a few obvious design oversights, with no official instructions on how to store the Ion Blaster and no actual means of attaching the shield to Prime's arm in a shield-like manner. And while Prime himself has been improved to prevent parts popping off, the dark grey "shoulder straps" on the Jetwing have a frustrating tendency to pop off due to the raised rectangular details directly under them, meant to hold them in place with friction but instead causing the part to flex and deform under pressure.

: Despite the figure's size classification, Prime himself is Voyager-sized (obviously, seeing as he's a retool of a previous ''Studio Series'' Voyager). The Leader Class price point comes from the extra accessories that he comes packaged with.
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===''Movie Edition''===
[[File:Tiny-Turbo-Changer-Series-3-Silver-Knight-Optimus-Prime.jpg|250px|thumb|Anyone remember the live action Scrappy-Doo?]]
*'''Silver Knight Optimus Prime''' (Tiny Turbo Changer, 2018)
**''Series'': '''3'''
**''Bag code'': '''I'''

: Released in series 3 of Tiny Turbo Changers, Silver Knight Optimus Prime is a redeco of the series 1 figure based on the Silver Knight [[Target]] exclusive subline from ''Age of Extinction''. By this point in the the mold's life, weardown has set in and many copies have incredibly loose balljoints that pop out easily.

: US retailers appear to have skipped this assortment (so far), though it has appeared in large numbers in European markets.

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[[File:Movie-Edition-Tiny-Turbo-Changers-Series-4-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|300px|The ''Second'' closest thing you can get a Movie-verse [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Fire Convoy]].]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Tiny Turbo Changer, 2018)
**''Series'' '''4'''
**''Bag code'': '''I'''

:Released in Series 4 of Tiny Turbo Changers, Optimus Prime is a redeco with an almost entirely red body while retaining some blue on his head and the rear half of his legs, which results in a ''Generation 1''-inspired deco on his vehicle mode and a very bland robot mode.

: And the mold degradation continues, with many samples having popped-off limbs still in-package.

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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Tiny Turbo Changer, 2019)
**''Series'': '''5'''
**''Bag code'': '''H'''

:Released in series 5 of Tiny Turbo Changers, Optimus Prime is a brand-new mold based off his appearance in the ''Bumblebee'' film.
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===''Premium Finish''===
[[File:TF-Premium-Finish-PF-SS-02-BB-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Sentient Beings, buy me again!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, [[November 27]], [[2021]])
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''PF SS-02'''
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''SS-02'''
**''Accessories'': "Ion Blaster"

:As part of the first wave of TakaraTomy's ''[[Transformers Premium Finish|''Premium Finish'']]'' subline, Optimus Prime is a detailed redeco of the [[#SS38 |G1-inspired Movie]] mold, featuring more paint applications that represent his appearance in [[Bumblebee_(film)|''Bumblebee'']] and with the same weapons as the aforementioned mold. Oddly, the stock photos lack silver paint on the front of the vehicle mode that the [[#SS38 |original mold]] has.
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==''Bumblebee''==
[[File:Bumblebee-Movie-Titan-Changer-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=0.66|If you buy me, I won't take your face.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Titan Changer, 2018)
:Optimus is a repackage of his Last Knight Titan Changer mold.
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===Leader Class toys===
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[[File:Bumblebee-Movie-Leader-Legendary-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Dear diary: JACKPOT!]]
*'''Legendary Optimus Prime''' (2018)
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''BB-02'''
**''Accessories'': Ion Blaster
:Released exclusively in Japan, ''[[Transformers: Bumblebee (toyline)|Bumblebee]]'' Legendary Optimus Prime is an all-new Leader Class mold, taking many cues from the ''Age of Extinction'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 5|Classic/Evasion Mode Optimus Prime]] mold. His head can switch between maskless and masked faces. His Ion Blaster can be held in his [[5 mm post|5 mm]] compatible hands or store on his back. His truck mode can tow [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10|MP-10 Convoy]]'s trailer. This figure was later redecoed into [[Nemesis Prime (AOE)#Bumblebee|"Bumblebee" Nemesis Prime.]]
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===''Energon Igniters''===
[[File:EnergonIgnitersSpeedOptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Speed Series, 2018)
:Released as part of the ''Bumblebee'' Energon Igniter's Speed Series line, this Optimus is a Legends/Legion-sized mold that transforms from robot into a Cab-over truck with the transformation scheme shared with the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers (2010)]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#2010Legend|''Reveal The Shield'' Legends Class toy]], and he features 3mm compatible hands. Optimus' truck mode can also be attached with the Energon Igniters core, and due to the toy being lightweight, it can propel his vehicle mode forward very quickly, making him a fast-moving truck.

:Due to its simplified transformation, Optimus' robot shoulder parts ended up sticking out from his truck mode, and his upper cabin panel ends up being integrated with his head. Unlike most Speed Series toys, he also shares a similar pivoting shoulder articulation from his ''Reveal the Shield'' counterpart, and his Energon Igniter port ends up under his right foot in robot mode rather than on his knee.

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[[File:TF-BB-TV-Kun-exclusive-Red-Fire-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The ''Actual'' Closest thing you'll get to a movieverse Fire Convoy]]
*'''Red Fire Optimus Prime''' (Speed Series, 2019)
**''Release date'': [[April 1]], [[2019]]

:Red Fire Optimus Prime is a clear red redeco of the figure above, released as a freebie for the May 2019 issue of Telebi-Kun Magazine, along with a buildable paper Tyramigo and a ''Super Sentai Data Cardass'' KishiRyuOh Five Knight card from ''Kishiryu Sentai Ryusoulger'', a ''Ganbarizing'' Kamen Rider Zi-OTrinity Card, and a Kamen Rider Buttobasoul Zi-OTrinity Medal. The head, grill (only 80% of it) & window paint applications remain.

:Red Fire Optimus Prime is once again available for the Wonder Festival 2019 event, provided by Takara Tomy at their booth.

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[[File:TF-BB-Transformers-Test-Commemorative-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Are you sure this is not a fan-painted custom?]]
*'''Transformers Proficiency Test Optimus Prime'''{{sic}} (2020)

:Released as a commemorative item for the ''Transformers Proficiency Test'' event held in Tokyo and Osaka on February 16, 2020, this Optimus Prime is an extensive redeco of the Speed Series figures, featuring additional paint operations on the legs, side windows, and the silver striping on his forearm/truck kibble. The paint is more matte than the original figure's metallic paint.

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[[File:TF-BB-Energon-Igniters-Power-Series-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Power Series, 2018)

:Power Series Optimus Prime is a redeco/retool of the Power Plus Series toy below, featuring new truck parts and maskless robot head, though the faux robot chest is retained from that mold. The CG stock photo for his robot mode depicts him having slightly longer "ears" than the final product.

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[[File:Bumblebee-Enegon-Igniters-Power-Plus-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Power Plus Series, 2018)
**''Accessories'': Energon core
:Released as part of the [[Transformers: Bumblebee (toyline)#Power Plus Series|Energon Igniters Power Plus Series]] subline, this Optimus Prime is a Scout-sized mold that converts from robot to truck based on his appearance in ''Age of Extinction'' in just a few steps. His only articulation is the swiveling upper arms & pivoting arm joints, and his fuel tanks also doubles as a flip-out cannons, activated in vehicle mode. As with all Nitro and Power Plus figures, Optimus also comes with an energon core, which allows his vehicle mode to propel forwards.

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[[File:Bumblebee-Enegon-Igniters-Nitro-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Nitro Series, 2018)
**''Accessories'': Energon core
:Released as part of the first wave of the [[Transformers: Bumblebee (toyline)#Nitro Series|Energon Igniters Nitro Series]], this Optimus Prime is a new Voyager-sized mold that converts from a robot based on his ''Age of Extinction'' body into a truck in 11 steps, and he features 5mm-compatible hands & articulation on his head, arms, and [[Brick (term)|only his upper legs]]. He also features built-in Ion Cannons in this lower leg panels, activated in vehicle mode. He also comes with his own energon core, which is a different mold from his Power Plus toy.

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===''35th Anniversary''===
[[File:TF-35th-Anniversary-OP-set-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Convoy & Optimus Prime Set''' (2-pack, 2019)
**''Release Date'': December [[2019]]
**''Accessories'': Ion Blaster

:Released as a TakaraTomy Mall exclusive, this Optimus Prime is a redeco of the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#SS38|third ''Studio Series'' mold]] with a focus on increased accuracy to the ''Bumblebee'' movie. To this end, he features less swirly, flat grey plastic and additional paint operations on the hand dorsals, the front windows' joints, the lower legs' grey plastic, and the stomach section (with the weathering removed). The gunmetal on his forehead and faceplate is now silver, the knees' details are omitted, and he features tampographed Autobot insignias on his shoulders. In preliminary stock imagery such as the images to the right the shoulder insignias were depicted as only white outlines on the red plastic without the 'face' and 'eyes' filled out in red and white respectively, but the actual product had the insignias correctly colored.

:Optimus Prime is packaged in a box designed to evoke the original Generation 1 toyline with new '84-style package art to boot, and is only available as a set with (but packaged separately from) [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#35th Anniversary|Convoy]].

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==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.seibertron.com/toys/index.php?f_series_id=64&f_subgroup=&f_name=optimus&f_type=exact Galleries of various different Optimus Prime toys from the Movie]
*[http://www.tfu.info/toytables/movie_optimusprime.htm Optimus Prime at TFU.info]

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Monopoly

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Ezim93:

'''Monopoly''' is a commercial boardgame produced by [[Hasbro]] under its [[Parker Brothers]] board games imprint. It is a turn-based game simulating the real estate market, where two to six players vie for dominance. Since it was patented in [[1935]] by Charles Darrow, it has been played by approximately 750,000,000 players. In [[2007]], a Transformers version of the game was created, updated with a special collector's edition in [[2009]]. [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] art features heavily in this set.

==Merchandise==
*'''Transformers Monopoly''' (2007)

[[Image:Transformers monopoly board.jpg|right|250px|thumb|We don't care how you've played all your life, you're NOT SUPPOSED TO GET ANY MONEY FOR FREE PARKING!]]
:Transformers Monopoly is a variation on the traditional Monopoly game. It is set in a [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation One]] [[micro-continuity]].

===Gameplay===

Properties in the traditional Monopoly game are now locations in the Transformers multiverse. Utilities are computers, and railroads are now forms of transportation. Community Chest cards are now Autobot cards, while Chance cards are Decepticon cards. The four corners - go, jail, free parking, and go to jail - remain unchanged for legal reasons. Houses are now called [[energon cube]]s and hotels [[antimatter]]. The only difference in gameplay besides the name changes is that, upon rolling doubles, one can choose to use a 'special power' instead of moving again. What the power is depends on the allegiance of the character and which number was rolled.

===Characters===
The 2007 version of the game had six characters available:

*'''[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]
*'''[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'''
*'''[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]'''
*'''[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'''
*'''[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'''
*'''[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'''

The 2009 collector's edition eliminates Bumblebee, Jazz, Starscream and Soundwave and adds:

*'''[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'''
*'''[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]'''
*'''[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'''
*'''[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'''

===Game Squares===
====Locations====
*Mediterranean - [[Decagon]]
*Baltic - [[Autobase]]
*Oriental - [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]]
*Vermont - Moon Base
*Connecticut - [[Sonic Canyons]]
*St. Charles Place - [[Shockwave's Tower]]
*States Ave - Combat Arena
*Virginia Ave - [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]
*St. James Place - [[Sherman Dam]]
*Tennessee Ave - Decepticon Command Bunker
*New York Ave - [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]]
*Kentucky Ave - [[Smelting pool]]s
*Indiana Ave - [[Well of All Sparks]]
*Illinois Ave - [[Chamber of the Ancients|Chamber of Ancients]]
*Atlantic Ave - [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]]
*Ventnor Ave - [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]]
*Marvin Gardens - [[Nebulos|Nebulon]]
*Pacific Ave - [[Unicron]]
*North Carolina Ave - [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*Pennsylvania Ave - [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]
*Park Place - [[Earth]]
*Boardwalk - [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]

====Transportation====
*Reading Railroad - The [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]
*Pennsylvania Railroad - [[space bridge]]
*B&O Railroad - The [[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]
*Short Line - [[Transwarp Drive]]

====Other Squares====
*Electric Company - [[Teletraan I]]
*Water Works - [[Vector Sigma]]
*Income Tax - Cover Detected
*Luxury Tax - Replenish Energon

===Money===
Money features pictures of Transformers, along with their [[Tech Spec]] mottos.
*$1 - Bumblebee
*$5 - Soundwave
*$10 - [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]
*$20 - Starscream
*$50 - [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]
*$100 - Megatron
*$500 - Optimus Prime

'''Transformers Monopoly''' (2021)

[[Image:TFMonopoly2021.jpeg|right|250px|thumb|Also, YOU DO NOT GET $400 FOR LANDING ON GO.]]
:Transformers Monopoly is a variation on the traditional Monopoly game. The latest iteration of the board game uses a wide range of artwork including [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation One]] and [[Evergreen]] designs .

===Gameplay===

Properties in the traditional Monopoly game are now locations in the Transformers multiverse. Utilities are [[Titan (group)|Titans]], and railroads are now [[Space bridge|space bridges]]. Community Chest cards are now Autobot cards, while Chance cards are Decepticon cards. The four corners - go, jail, free parking, and go to jail - remain unchanged for legal reasons. Houses are now called [[energon cube]]s and hotels energon bunkers.

===Characters===
The 2021 version of the game had six characters available:

*'''[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]
*'''[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'''
*'''[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'''
*'''[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'''
*'''[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'''
*'''[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'''

===Game Squares===
====Locations====
Unlike traditional Monopoly each colored area of the board only features two properties and don't match up 1:1 with an ordinary Monopoly board.
=====Brown=====
*[[Moonbase One|Moon Base 1]]
*[[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]
=====Light Blue=====
*Rocket Base
*Antimatter Lab
=====Magenta=====
*Springfield City
*[[Sherman Dam]]
=====Orange=====
*[[Moonbase Two|Moon Base 2]]
*[[Praetorus Wharf|Preatorus Wharf]]
=====Red=====
*[[Protihex]]
*[[Crystal City]]
=====Yellow=====
*Solar Power Station
*[[Andes Mountains|Ancient Ruins]]
=====Green=====
*[[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]
*[[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Earth)|Decepticon Base]]
=====Blue=====
*[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon City]]
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon City]]

====Transportation====
*Reading Railroad - [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Cybertron)|Shockwave Space Bridge]]
*Pennsylvania Railroad - Autobot City Space Bridge
*B&O Railroad - Megatron Space Bridge
*Short Line - [[Emirate Xaaron Spacebridge Nexus|Iacon City Space Bridge]]

====Other Squares====
*Electric Company - [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]
*Water Works - [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]
*Income Tax - [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]
*Luxury Tax - [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]]
===Money===
Money features Autobot and Decepticon symbols with 'Monopoly' written in [[Alphabet|Cybertronian]] beneath them. Bills are seperated into 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, and 500 dollars.

==External links==
*{{w|Monopoly (game)|Monopoly on Wikipedia}}

[[Category:Board games]]
[[Category:Generation 1 games]]

User:Ezim93/sandbox/monopoly2021

2021-07-19T00:32:24Z

Ezim93: /* Merchandise */

==Merchandise==
*'''Transformers Monopoly''' (2021)

[[Image:TFMonopoly2021.jpeg|right|250px|thumb|Also, YOU DO NOT GET $400 FOR LANDING ON GO.]]
:Transformers Monopoly is a variation on the traditional Monopoly game. The latest iteration of the board game uses a wide range of artwork including [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation One]] and [[Evergreen]] designs .

===Gameplay===

Properties in the traditional Monopoly game are now locations in the Transformers multiverse. Utilities are [[Titan (group)|Titans]], and railroads are now [[Space bridge|space bridges]]. Community Chest cards are now Autobot cards, while Chance cards are Decepticon cards. The four corners - go, jail, free parking, and go to jail - remain unchanged for legal reasons. Houses are now called [[energon cube]]s and hotels energon bunkers.

===Characters===
The 2021 version of the game had six characters available:

*'''[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]
*'''[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'''
*'''[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'''
*'''[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'''
*'''[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'''
*'''[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'''

===Game Squares===
====Locations====
Unlike traditional Monopoly each colored area of the board only features two properties and don't match up 1:1 with an ordinary Monopoly board.
=====Brown=====
*[[Moonbase One|Moon Base 1]]
*[[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]
=====Light Blue=====
*Rocket Base
*Antimatter Lab
=====Magenta=====
*Springfield City
*[[Sherman Dam]]
=====Orange=====
*[[Moonbase Two|Moon Base 2]]
*[[Praetorus Wharf|Preatorus Wharf]]
=====Red=====
*[[Protihex]]
*[[Crystal City]]
=====Yellow=====
*Solar Power Station
*[[Andes Mountains|Ancient Ruins]]
=====Green=====
*[[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]
*[[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Earth)|Decepticon Base]]
=====Blue=====
*[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon City]]
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon City]]

====Transportation====
*Reading Railroad - [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Cybertron)|Shockwave Space Bridge]]
*Pennsylvania Railroad - Autobot City Space Bridge
*B&O Railroad - Megatron Space Bridge
*Short Line - [[Emirate Xaaron Spacebridge Nexus|Iacon City Space Bridge]]

====Other Squares====
*Electric Company - [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]
*Water Works - [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]
*Income Tax - [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]
*Luxury Tax - [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]]
===Money===
Money features Autobot and Decepticon symbols with 'Monopoly' written in [[Alphabet|Cybertronian]] beneath them. Bills are seperated into 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, and 500 dollars.

==External links==
*{{w|Monopoly (game)|Monopoly on Wikipedia}}

[[Category:Board games]]
[[Category:Generation 1 games]]

User:Ezim93/sandbox/monopoly2021

2021-07-19T00:30:44Z

Ezim93: /* Money */

==Merchandise==
*'''Transformers Monopoly''' (2021)

[[Image:TFMonopoly2021.jpeg|right|250px|thumb|Also, YOU DO NOT GET $400 FOR LANDING ON GO.]]
:Transformers Monopoly is a variation on the traditional Monopoly game. It is set in a [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation One]] [[micro-continuity]].

===Gameplay===

Properties in the traditional Monopoly game are now locations in the Transformers multiverse. Utilities are [[Titan (group)|Titans]], and railroads are now [[Space bridge|space bridges]]. Community Chest cards are now Autobot cards, while Chance cards are Decepticon cards. The four corners - go, jail, free parking, and go to jail - remain unchanged for legal reasons. Houses are now called [[energon cube]]s and hotels energon bunkers.

===Characters===
The 2021 version of the game had six characters available:

*'''[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]
*'''[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'''
*'''[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'''
*'''[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'''
*'''[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'''
*'''[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'''

===Game Squares===
====Locations====
Unlike traditional Monopoly each colored area of the board only features two properties and don't match up 1:1 with an ordinary Monopoly board.
=====Brown=====
*[[Moonbase One|Moon Base 1]]
*[[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]
=====Light Blue=====
*Rocket Base
*Antimatter Lab
=====Magenta=====
*Springfield City
*[[Sherman Dam]]
=====Orange=====
*[[Moonbase Two|Moon Base 2]]
*[[Praetorus Wharf|Preatorus Wharf]]
=====Red=====
*[[Protihex]]
*[[Crystal City]]
=====Yellow=====
*Solar Power Station
*[[Andes Mountains|Ancient Ruins]]
=====Green=====
*[[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]
*[[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Earth)|Decepticon Base]]
=====Blue=====
*[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon City]]
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon City]]

====Transportation====
*Reading Railroad - [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Cybertron)|Shockwave Space Bridge]]
*Pennsylvania Railroad - Autobot City Space Bridge
*B&O Railroad - Megatron Space Bridge
*Short Line - [[Emirate Xaaron Spacebridge Nexus|Iacon City Space Bridge]]

====Other Squares====
*Electric Company - [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]
*Water Works - [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]
*Income Tax - [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]
*Luxury Tax - [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]]
===Money===
Money features Autobot and Decepticon symbols with 'Monopoly' written in [[Alphabet|Cybertronian]] beneath them. Bills are seperated into 1, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, and 500 dollars.

==External links==
*{{w|Monopoly (game)|Monopoly on Wikipedia}}

[[Category:Board games]]
[[Category:Generation 1 games]]