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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:X_Marks_the_Bot&amp;diff=1508375</id>
		<title>Talk:X Marks the Bot</title>
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		<updated>2021-05-19T18:19:35Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: some missing things in the real world references&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;they 1) mentioned a famous dublin college (probably Trinity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_College_Dublin), 2) went to Hag&#039;s Head (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hag%27s_Head), and 3) went to the Giant&#039;s Causeway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway). &lt;br /&gt;
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hurling is also a real sport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurling)&lt;br /&gt;
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the voice actor for finn is irish-american and has an irish first name&lt;br /&gt;
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they are most likely references to the animation studio being irish&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers:_Rescue_Bots_Academy_(cartoon)&amp;diff=1467960</id>
		<title>Talk:Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (cartoon)</title>
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		<updated>2020-12-06T05:47:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I really don&#039;t think there&#039;s any reason to consider the Hot Shot in this show the same character as the Prime toy. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 10:25, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:And why is that? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:29, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:They&#039;re both based on UT Hot Shot. Of course they&#039;re the same character. We consider RB and Exiles Blurr the same character, and that connection is much looser. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:31, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Meh. I was against that one at first too until RB Blurr talked about Velocitron on the show. I just don&#039;t think &amp;quot;let&#039;s do a Rescue Bots version of the guy from Armada&amp;quot; includes the Prime toy. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 10:36, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Under normal practice, they&#039;d go on the same page. But there&#039;s an established precedent for doing it differently with Aligned, with RID Sideswipe and Grimlock being split out from their &amp;quot;older&amp;quot; counterparts. If we&#039;re gonna be consistent with it, RB Hot Shot ought to be split out, since like those two, he couldn&#039;t be the same guy who fought in the war? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 10:35, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I think the difference as I see it is that Grimbo and Sideswipe are only loosely based on earlier instances of their &amp;quot;archetype&amp;quot;, and aren&#039;t very similar to the WFC guys in any sense beside their names and altmodes. There&#039;s no way that Hot Shot isn&#039;t going to be basically the same guy, even with an incompatible history. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:41, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I&#039;m not sure he can be &amp;quot;basically the same guy&amp;quot; as Prime Hot Shot when Prime Hot Shot is barely &amp;quot;a guy&amp;quot; in the first place. He&#039;s a toy who showed in a convention script reading. Where he was a Wrecker, which this guy surely won&#039;t be. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 10:49, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::...Yeah. That&#039;s... my point. RBA Hot Shot is gonna be An Alignedverse Version Of UT Hot Shot. Barring extenuating circumstances, under our classification system that would make him the same guy as Prime Hot Shot, even if he doesn&#039;t share the same exact history. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:55, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::No, I get it, I&#039;m just against it, in this particular case. I mean I think an argument can also be made that under our classification system you could put this show&#039;s Whirl and FOC Whirl on the same page, but this article isn&#039;t doing that, and I didn&#039;t think it should for Hot Shot either.  --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 11:04, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::I don&#039;t think that&#039;s comparable. Whirl&#039;s only real similarity that we know of is being a blue helicopter; both Hot Shots, meanwhile, are based on The Hot Shot Archetype. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:15, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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This seems to need to be built into a franchise -&amp;gt; cartoon|toyline hierarchy, [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (franchise)|like]] [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|its]] [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (toyline)|predecesssor]]. [[User:TGB|TGB]] ([[User talk:TGB|talk]]) 08:25, 11 December 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ending ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So um, the show&#039;s officially ending. [https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/06/28/transformers-rescue-bots-academy-cartoon-is-ending-after-season-2-413748] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 17:09, 1 July 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes, we&#039;re aware. We&#039;ve already updated several pages to reflect this. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:12, 1 July 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Rest Of Season 2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Any idea when it&#039;ll air in the USA?[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 00:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:None yet. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 02:10, 4 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Then where can one stream it? &#039;cause i&#039;m honestly getting tired of waiting [[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 00:47, 6 December 2020 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers:_Rescue_Bots_Academy_(cartoon)&amp;diff=1466332</id>
		<title>Talk:Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (cartoon)</title>
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		<updated>2020-12-04T05:47:17Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* The Rest Of Season 2 */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I really don&#039;t think there&#039;s any reason to consider the Hot Shot in this show the same character as the Prime toy. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 10:25, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:And why is that? [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 10:29, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:They&#039;re both based on UT Hot Shot. Of course they&#039;re the same character. We consider RB and Exiles Blurr the same character, and that connection is much looser. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:31, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Meh. I was against that one at first too until RB Blurr talked about Velocitron on the show. I just don&#039;t think &amp;quot;let&#039;s do a Rescue Bots version of the guy from Armada&amp;quot; includes the Prime toy. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 10:36, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Under normal practice, they&#039;d go on the same page. But there&#039;s an established precedent for doing it differently with Aligned, with RID Sideswipe and Grimlock being split out from their &amp;quot;older&amp;quot; counterparts. If we&#039;re gonna be consistent with it, RB Hot Shot ought to be split out, since like those two, he couldn&#039;t be the same guy who fought in the war? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 10:35, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I think the difference as I see it is that Grimbo and Sideswipe are only loosely based on earlier instances of their &amp;quot;archetype&amp;quot;, and aren&#039;t very similar to the WFC guys in any sense beside their names and altmodes. There&#039;s no way that Hot Shot isn&#039;t going to be basically the same guy, even with an incompatible history. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:41, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I&#039;m not sure he can be &amp;quot;basically the same guy&amp;quot; as Prime Hot Shot when Prime Hot Shot is barely &amp;quot;a guy&amp;quot; in the first place. He&#039;s a toy who showed in a convention script reading. Where he was a Wrecker, which this guy surely won&#039;t be. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 10:49, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::...Yeah. That&#039;s... my point. RBA Hot Shot is gonna be An Alignedverse Version Of UT Hot Shot. Barring extenuating circumstances, under our classification system that would make him the same guy as Prime Hot Shot, even if he doesn&#039;t share the same exact history. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 10:55, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::No, I get it, I&#039;m just against it, in this particular case. I mean I think an argument can also be made that under our classification system you could put this show&#039;s Whirl and FOC Whirl on the same page, but this article isn&#039;t doing that, and I didn&#039;t think it should for Hot Shot either.  --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 11:04, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::I don&#039;t think that&#039;s comparable. Whirl&#039;s only real similarity that we know of is being a blue helicopter; both Hot Shots, meanwhile, are based on The Hot Shot Archetype. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:15, 27 December 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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This seems to need to be built into a franchise -&amp;gt; cartoon|toyline hierarchy, [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (franchise)|like]] [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|its]] [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (toyline)|predecesssor]]. [[User:TGB|TGB]] ([[User talk:TGB|talk]]) 08:25, 11 December 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ending ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So um, the show&#039;s officially ending. [https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/06/28/transformers-rescue-bots-academy-cartoon-is-ending-after-season-2-413748] [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 17:09, 1 July 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes, we&#039;re aware. We&#039;ve already updated several pages to reflect this. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:12, 1 July 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Rest Of Season 2 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Any idea when it&#039;ll air in the USA?[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 00:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Discovery Family</title>
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		<updated>2020-11-18T01:40:27Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;hey, they&#039;re showing G1 again. just thought i&#039;d put that out there.[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 20:40, 17 November 2020 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
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		<title>Talk:Discovery Family</title>
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		<updated>2020-11-18T01:40:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: Created page with &amp;quot;hey, they&amp;#039;re showing G1 again. just thought i&amp;#039;d put that out there.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;hey, they&#039;re showing G1 again. just thought i&#039;d put that out there.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
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	<entry>
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		<title>Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)</title>
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		<updated>2020-06-17T15:53:30Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* June Release Date */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==June Release Date==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone have a source for the June release date? All I&#039;ve seen is &amp;quot;sometime in 2020&amp;quot;, and given that it&#039;s already June and there have been no further updates I&#039;m not convinced it&#039;ll make that date. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 16:44, 4 June 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I believe it was said during their Toy Fair 2020 presentation, but I don&#039;t think the date it still accurate due to COVID-related production delays. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:43, 11 June 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I think it&#039;s coming around the time BNA&#039;s airing, real close to the end of the month [[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 11:53, 17 June 2020 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
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		<title>Talk:Knock Out (Prime)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* GAY? */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:DeusExMachina-Knockout.jpg|right|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Jeez, dudes, he makes one comment about Prime&#039;s tires, and he&#039;s the next Side Burn? [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 00:43, 13 March 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I removed it, but apparently someone called Detour took issue with that and reverted me. --[[User:Peter Damian|Peter Damian]] 05:24, 13 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Because your words are not law. First of all, the stealth link is there to show precedence, not to say &amp;quot;DUDE HE&#039;S THE EXACT SAME AS SIDEBURN&amp;quot;, and second because he does appear to have a serious thing going on for cars... especially Prime. He&#039;s gay for Optimus. His comment about Prime was a character-defining moment that really belongs in the intro paragraph.  --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:30, 13 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I think &amp;quot;gay for Optimus&amp;quot; is a little strong.  I do think the note should stay, because it is pretty notable that Knock Out shows up next to Optimus complimenting him on his rims and build.  We&#039;ve built up intro paragraphs on less, and schmoozing Optimus&#039;s looks isn&#039;t really an everyday occurrence in Transformers.  That, coupled with Starscream&#039;s &amp;quot;Oh, you&#039;re one of THOSE.&amp;quot;  Oh, right, and he compliments Optimus because he reminds him of his [[Breakdown (WFC)|Partner]].   --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:27, 13 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I may be too old to know for sure, but wasn&#039;t he just taunting Prime? The way the kids these days talk? I mean, he was setting Prime up to get blasted, which might indicate it wasn&#039;t legitimate schmoozing. Just a thought. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:21, 13 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I don&#039;t think Knock Out was legitimately trying to make out with Optimus, no.  Try to make him uncomfortable or set him off his game, probably.  That doesn&#039;t mean his compliments were empty.  I think he meant it, but was using it as a disorienting weapon, not as a &amp;quot;I WILL TOTALLY DO YOU LATER&amp;quot; sort of thing.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:26, 13 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Whenever something like that line turns into a pun, I guess I kind of discount it as character development. But double entendres, I guess. Off to watch the dang episode again. [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 17:49, 13 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Actually, it&#039;s my opinion that Knock Out was admiring &amp;quot;the awesome truck parked over there,&amp;quot; not Optimus. He showed no signs of recognizing Prime as a Transformers until he, um, transformed. Breakdown fired at the building, not at Optimus. But that&#039;s just me. &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 23:20, 13 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Yeah, I never thought Knock Out knew Prime was a robot.  He was just a cool looking truck that Knock Out wanted to ...do whatever with.  I mean, you&#039;re a medic and the leader of your opposing faction is sitting right there, you generally don&#039;t go up to him all HEY BIG BOY HOW&#039;S IT HANGIN&#039;  (unless you&#039;re Comics Ratchet, I mean). [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:57, 14 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::If he didn&#039;t know it was a Transformer, then I&#039;d expect some reaction shot from him when he found out.  He&#039;s also clearly introducing Optimus to Breakdown, who will shoot him, which otherwise makes no sense.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:16, 14 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Personally I think he was just complimenting Prime&#039;s truck mode without knowing it was Optimus. He&#039;s in love with himself.  Any accusations that he&#039;s gay will be the same thing as G1 Tracks.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 14:01, 20 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Also I think we should change things around a bit. I think he only likes cars because he thinks they&#039;re cool not because they remind him of Breakdown. Was there an official source that said this?[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 00:34, 21 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::&amp;quot;You&#039;re reeeeeeaaaaaaaal heavy-duty, just like my friend here.&amp;quot; The statement in the article is factual: He likes big trucks, and he thinks they&#039;re like Breakdown. Your &amp;quot;because&amp;quot; is something you read into it. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:07, 21 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Starscream&#039;s &amp;quot;you&#039;re one of &#039;&#039;those&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; line is a rhetorical device letting everybody know that the cartoon isn&#039;t going to go there. Since he immediately explained that he was taking about car-mode Decepticons. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:02, 25 March 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== GAY? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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That&#039;s a little inapropriate for a show that children watch, and I&#039;m sure he just likes cars and commented on Optimus to distract him.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 13:46, 3 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;d say the brutal death, zombiefication and further brutal manglings of Cliffjumper and the constant brutal eradication of Vehicon troopers are far more inappropriate for a children&#039;s show than a bot who likes other dudebots. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:57, 3 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::If it were humans, yes, but robots, parents probably don&#039;t care much.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 14:23, 3 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Then why do you care?  Are you afraid there&#039;ll be gay bot marriage or gay bot sex?  They don&#039;t even have straight bot marriage or straight bot sex.  And honestly, leaving homosexuals out of the show could give out a bad message, you know?  &amp;quot;Freedom is the right of all sentient beings, except homos, gross!&amp;quot; -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:08, 3 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I&#039;m getting Tramp flashbacks from this conversation.--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] 18:32, 3 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You are inappropriate for children. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:33, 3 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I personally don&#039;t care, but parents might overreact and try to sue Hasbro or some shit.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:29, 7 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Sue them over what, exactly? Take your conspiracy theories to a forum, please. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:35, 7 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: What a great birthday present, this person.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:05, 7 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: All I&#039;m saying they wouldn&#039;t suggest him being gay, because of very critical parents who are offended by that. And this is to Spin-Out: Why?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 15:19, 8 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sexual innuendo can happen in kids shows, dude.  Sexual innuendo&#039;s like half of Beast Wars.  But I have a feeling that it&#039;s not these fictional parents you&#039;re invoking who really has the problem here. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:58, 8 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Odd that the parents would have a problem with implications that a character might be gay, but have no problems with death and grisly dismemberment.  Not to mention fake profanity. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:48, 8 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Which I already pointed out to him at the very beginning of this nonsense. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:51, 8 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Truth be told, a lot of people have a bigger problem with sex/sexuality than violence (heck, didn&#039;t the TF:P crew say they could do violence but not swearing? Not my idea of taboo hierarchy either). Of course, this doesn&#039;t change the fact that Primo over here is trying to keep a clean slate by presenting his problem as someone else&#039;s problem he&#039;s merely trying to raise awareness off. Which I don&#039;t get either, because the note states this is how fans interpret it, not that the TF:P crew intended it this way. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:39, 9 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I don&#039;t think it&#039;s something worth mentioning in the page (probably 100% coincidence), but his Knock Out voice is exactly the same as his Mercurymon voice from Digimon, which was a character that wore prominent makeup in both its forms. It&#039;s pretty clear that Knock Out&#039;s at least &#039;&#039;acting&#039;&#039; as if he&#039;s homosexual.[[Special:Contributions/98.222.213.161|98.222.213.161]] 16:01, 14 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I think he &#039;&#039;might&#039;&#039; be, according to this (may be a different continuity, though): https://youtu.be/Hsb6WJnKw2Y?t=514 [[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 10:46, 10 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== On a COMPLETELY different topic... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone object to changing Knock Out&#039;s quote to &amp;quot;I&#039;m not just an automobile; I&#039;m an automobile enthusiast&amp;quot;? It&#039;s basically just a better phrasing of the current quote, anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 2:37 PM, 10 April 2011 A.D.&lt;br /&gt;
: I was gonna just go ahead and do that anyway, because I can, but I haven&#039;t gotten around to it yet. In other words, go ahead.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:46, 10 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
isn&#039;t it notable that he has no insignia? - [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 18:27, 19 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, because Prime characters without visible insignias are a dime a dozen.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:13, 19 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== EDIT ==&lt;br /&gt;
I edited out the part in notes claiming the Botcon comment was &amp;quot;unintentionally insulting&amp;quot; because someone&#039;s personal feelings on the matter of a joke does not belong in a wiki, even the TFwiki. Please, do not put in your personal feelings on a subject when this is meant to be objectively informative and not an opinionated exposition. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]]&lt;br /&gt;
:This isn&#039;t &amp;quot;personal feelings&amp;quot;. Comparing homosexuality to a glitch &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; insulting to homosexuals, regardless of whether or not the comment was intentionally insulting. It certainly seems more like your personal feelings on the matter are what&#039;s making you remove it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:00, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You are viewing it as your opinion that it is insulting. My personal feelings on the matter are not what is making me remove it, it is the fact that your opinions on what you make the comment out to be are leaking into the entry, where it does not belong. There is no need to say that it is an insulting comment, because it is not. It was not meant to be insulting, and the only way things can be &amp;quot;unintentionally insulting&amp;quot; is when you use your personal feelings and views to interpret a comment. Again, wiki articles should be objective, and it is your personal opinion that it was insulting. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Please pick up a dictionary and look up the definition of &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;unintentional&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:08, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I am well aware of what the word &amp;quot;unintentional&amp;quot; means, but you are making it out as an insult, intentional or not, when it is not meant as such in any regard. Again, it is you viewing and interpreting the comment through your own opinions and feelings which makes it insulting in any regard, and it is, yet again, not something worth contributing to any wiki article. It is but one phrase that the article can do without. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Words mean things&#039;&#039;&#039;. To compare homosexuality to a glitch IS insulting, regardless of whether it was intended or not. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:16, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::[http://genderbitch.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/intent-its-fucking-magic/ Intent!  It&#039;s friggin&#039; magic.] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:53, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::A glitch caused a &#039;&#039;robot&#039;&#039; to be homosexual-ish. On a scale of shocking statements, that... doesn&#039;t seem all that shocking, honestly. If he were human it would be one thing, but he&#039;s a robot. It would be like if a glitch in the AllSpark caused a robot to crave pizza, or wear pants, or any number of things robots don&#039;t ordinarily do. Not really an insult to pizza lovers and pants wearers. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 03:47, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::You cannot simply divorce a statement from its real world context just because it&#039;s about a fictional robot. &amp;quot;Pizza lovers&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;pants wearers&amp;quot; do not face discrimination, bigotry, and hatred. Your comparison is absurd. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:22, 14 June 2011 (EDT)  &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::The context &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; fictional robots. Applying it to the real world would be &#039;&#039;taking it out of context&#039;&#039;. That&#039;s just how &amp;quot;context&amp;quot; works. They talked about how there was no &amp;quot;gay&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;straight&amp;quot; on Cybertron, then, in order to explain Knock Out&#039;s otherwise unexplainable behavior (because there is no gay or straight on Cybertron), they said a glitch in the AllSpark did it. [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:53, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::No, the &#039;&#039;context&#039;&#039; is the systemic oppression of.... eh, never mind you clearly don&#039;t get it at all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:31, 14 June 2011 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
::::::This is an article on Knock Out, not an article on the semantics of what was said and what wasn&#039;t said. This isn&#039;t a critique on the perceived injustices or political incorrectness of a Botcon panel, this is about Knock Out. Your feelings on the matter are irrelevant to the page&#039;s content.[[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::I&#039;m sorry, but TFWiki &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; about pointing out these sorts of things, be they [[Denton J. Tipton|editors blaming gaffes on fans]] or [[Pat Lee|unscrupulous business practices]] or, yes, comments that turn out unintentionally insulting.. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:31, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:If I said &amp;quot;There was a glitch in the AllSpark the day that Fred was created&amp;quot;, Fred would be more then justified to treat that as an insult. I don&#039;t see why this is any different. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:45, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: So if I said &amp;quot;God had a bad case of the squirty-shits the day Mangytron was born&amp;quot;, that wouldn&#039;t be insulting? Good to know! (And yes, the &amp;quot;glitch&amp;quot; quote IS insulting.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:35, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You are all taking this entirely out of context. The TFwiki should be objective and abstain from personal feelings and comments. The articles should not reflect the author&#039;s opinions, but simply the content. If you are going to insult me because I am trying to be objective and have some level of quality, then that is very childish of you, considering I have done nothing of the sort. Again, that comment is reflected solely on opinion and not fact. That is the end of this asinine discussion. The TFwiki is about Transformers, not commentary on socially offensive jokes or phrases expressed through a Botcon panel joke. Keep that on TF message boards. The Wiki is not your soapbox. That is all. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]] 22:22, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m sorry, but considering the Wiki&#039;s moderators (abates and M Sipher) are disagreeing with you, I&#039;d say you&#039;re not in any position to say what the Wiki is and isn&#039;t for. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:26, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I do very much enjoy the redlinked newcomer lecturing the admin what the site is all about.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:34, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I know the fandom is big now and all but jesus, it&#039;s like, the posters here are Sipher and Walky and frickin&#039; me, and you&#039;re all YOU SHOULDN&#039;T BE POSTING OPINIONS AND STUFF ON ARTICLES motherfucker why do you think we took over this thing in the first place?  WE ARE HERE TO GRIND OUR AXES.  GRINDY GRINDY GRINDY.  [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 22:49, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re several years and 13,451 articles too late to try and dictate what this wiki is and isn&#039;t, which makes your claims of lack of context all the funnier. Also, &amp;quot;some level of quality&amp;quot; has not remotely been proven on your part, inasmuch the &#039;&#039;only&#039;&#039; thing you&#039;ve done here is get in an edit war and try and tell everyone what we &#039;&#039;should&#039;&#039; be doing. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:09, 13 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I guess I&#039;m a glitch! (So not helping, am I?) Let&#039;s all back off and breathe a bit. No matter what we say, someone somewhere is going to get offended. [[User:AUGH AUGH AUGH|AUGH AUGH AUGH]] 01:52, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This is all a rather silly issue, particularly given how informal this wiki is and always has been. Leave it as is, and if you disagree, get over it. Go have some ice cream. It should cheer you up. [[User:Monty Prime|Monty Prime]] 03:36, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://rockdown.tumblr.com/post/6513500039/if-i-could-have-the-transformers-fandoms-attention-for I think this is the living definition of &amp;quot;crying some more&amp;quot;.] - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:54, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The first comment being &amp;quot;They&#039;re faggots!&amp;quot; really brings this all home, doesn&#039;t it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:58, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:All I&#039;m getting from that is &amp;quot;MY HIVEMIND IS BETTER THAN YOURS! NYAH NYAH NYAH-NYAH!&amp;quot;. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:07, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Ahhh. Hilarity. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:27, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Gaybashing:  it&#039;s not just for the neurotypical anymore.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:06, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::And since Chris opened the gateways, I ended up finding Mangrytron&#039;s topic that led him here to kick up a storm. [http://doodlebob.tumblr.com/post/6503456665/darthshadow-when-asked-at-botcon-2011-the My favorite line has to be &amp;quot;Do you seriously all have nothing better to do than whine about the most inane of issues and act as if that’s the reason The Man is holdin’ you all down?&amp;quot;.] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:42, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:lol you guys went through the trouble to find my tumblr blog and act as if i&#039;m gaybashing or something else entirely retarded like that. i didn&#039;t insult you, i didn&#039;t attack you, and you&#039;re all going apeshit over nothing. stay classy TF fandom. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]] 21:00, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::We will.  And you can stay 15.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:06, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Wow, you telling US to stay classy?  Anyone who refers to someone as a &amp;quot;nasty fat fanc**t&amp;quot; has lost their right to tell someone else to stay classy. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:09, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::protip: that wasn&#039;t me who said it but [http://rockdown.tumblr.com  a friend of mine], but go ahead and get angry at the words being said. That&#039;s all any of you seem to be doing; getting angry over words that hold no weight or mean anything at all. Really, you&#039;re insulting me, going out of your way to say I&#039;m gaybashing and implying I&#039;m homophobic because I say a wiki should be an objective source of information and not a place to voice your opinions. That&#039;s how all GOOD Wikis are run, but none of you are concerned about being good, you&#039;re just concerned about voicing your loud and rather inane opinions. Calm your asses down and realize that I haven&#039;t attacked anyone; the only one who is attacking anyone is you guys. Or don&#039;t calm down and continue on. It&#039;s really, really funny. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]] 21:15, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::We haven&#039;t insulted you, our words hold no weight or meaning.  If you choose to be offended by them, that&#039;s your problem. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:20, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I&#039;m not offended by it, I just thought I&#039;d point out the fact you&#039;re all trying to paint me in a light where I&#039;m some homophobic, uncaring, gaybasher is really immature, especially when I did no such thing to any of you from the get-go. The funny thing is, I&#039;m not even straight. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]] 21:28, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::You&#039;d be surprised just how many homophobes aren&#039;t straight. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:32, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Good for you. As a gay person, I&#039;m still calling you socially dense and immature. If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend that subtle homophobia doesn&#039;t exist and that words have &amp;quot;no weight or mean anything at all&amp;quot;, feel free to do so and leave the rest of us alone. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:37, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I&#039;m going to echo Interrobang&#039;s comments. Also, the best part is all that drama over on tumblr will do nothing but net TFWiki more page visits and more free publicity. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:59, 14 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::That&#039;s like being one of those people who says, &amp;quot;I&#039;m not racist! I have lots of black friends!&amp;quot; It doesn&#039;t help your case. I know this whole thing has been retreaded to hell and back, but I felt necessary to put in my two cents on the matter. The initial statement they made at Botcon was cute; about the Decepticons having a &#039;don&#039;t ask, don&#039;t tell&#039; policy. That&#039;s funny, and avoids addressing the issue without making anyone feel uncomfortable. The follow-up, on the other hand, is a slap, because it means that any characters that exhibit that behavior (be it actual homorobosexualism or just narcissism to an nth degree) are a MISTAKE. Which means that their personality traits are a MISTAKE. And I&#039;m sorry, that just doesn&#039;t sit well, regardless of what personality traits are in question. It&#039;s like saying the Allspak glitched when it made Optimus, causing him to be heroic. It doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s decrying homosexuality at that point, it&#039;s saying that a character&#039;s primary character traits are wrong, and caused by a screw-up in their creation. If you can&#039;t see how &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039; would be insulting, there is no hope for you.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Also, for the record, I for one welcome our homosexual robot overlords. --[[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 03:48, 12 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Actually I DON&#039;T see how it is insulting. A &amp;quot;glitch&amp;quot; in the AllSpark is the TF equivalent of a mutation. And homosexuality is a mutation. But so is heterosexuality. And so is sex in general. And blue eyes. And brown hair. And five fingers. And the scent glands of skunks. And the manes of lions. And purple flowers. And photosynthesis. And any other trait with any degree of genetic causation. ALL current lifeforms are mutations, mutation is an &amp;quot;error&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;mistake&amp;quot; in the DNA, therefore ALL lifeforms are mistakes. Glitches, if you will. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:43, 18 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::With all due respect, Khajidha, but you don&#039;t know what a mutation is. Or a glitch. Or context. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:50, 18 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::As a biology instructor I should hope I know what a mutation is. But as a teacher, I could probably have phrased my statements better. I was not talking of a trait as a mutation that occurs when each lifeform originates, but of each trait as originating in evolutionary history by means of mutation. The mutation that led to sex occurred hundreds of millions of years ago, but it was a mutation just the same. ALL life is different from the initial life form. In fact, the first self-replicating molecule (lifeform if you will) was RNA based. DNA itself is a change, a mutation, an error, a glitch. To me, the statement that a possible robo-homosexuality is due to a glitch in the AllSpark is the equivalent of saying that human homosexuality is due to a genetic cause (not a choice), and I fail to see how that is something the homosexual community is upset about. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:08, 18 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::A mutation is not a glitch. A glitch is a fault, that results in something not working properly. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:15, 18 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Which is what a mutation is. The mutated DNA strand does not function the way the original strand did, the way it is &amp;quot;supposed&amp;quot; to work. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:31, 18 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::Except that a mutation can still create something that works properly. A glitch outright causes an error. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:36, 18 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Just so everyone knows, the &#039;&#039;context&#039;&#039; is that a glitch caused a giant robot from a planet that doesn&#039;t even have &amp;quot;gay&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;straight&amp;quot; to act gay-like. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:51, 18 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::On the barest side of technicality, Khajidha is right and Detour is wrong about mutations being glitches (but not at all to say that the BotCon line wasn&#039;t insulting. If you have to say &amp;quot;barely technically&amp;quot;, then it should have been phrased better). Any mutation, whether it improves the chances of survival, lowers them, or doesn&#039;t effect them, is a glitch in DNA&#039;s process. As a reminder, that process is to &#039;&#039;exactly&#039;&#039; transcribe the existing strands. Mutations are not a purposeful, &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; mechanic of DNA transcription -- DNA transcription doesn&#039;t have a &amp;quot;for this part, choose a base pair at random&amp;quot; step. The overwhelming majority of mutations are actually caused by the near-constant damage to DNA that results from base pairs that contain radioactive isotopes undergoing decay; I believe the rate is &amp;quot;6 mutations per second&amp;quot;, but that was from one of Asimov&#039;s old papers, so it&#039;s probably far out-of-date.&lt;br /&gt;
:So on the &#039;&#039;barest&#039;&#039; side of the matter, calling it a &amp;quot;glitch&amp;quot; is a perfectly legitimate, not-necessarily-biased way to describe it. However, BotCon really should have realized that the primary way to interpret that is as a glitch in &#039;&#039;Knock-Out&#039;&#039;, not the &amp;quot;process of RNA (that&#039;s what robots have, right?) transcription&amp;quot;, sooo...yeah, it&#039;s unintentionally insulting.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:25, 18 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::They didn&#039;t say &amp;quot;glitches are how every Transformer is made&amp;quot;. They said &amp;quot;There was a glitch THAT DAY when Knock Out was made&amp;quot;. They&#039;re using glitch in the electronics term, not the silly &amp;quot;robotic equivalent of a DNA mutation&amp;quot; way that Khajidha is touting. After all, as he says... mutations happen all the time. But computer glitches are outright error that cause a program not to work properly, or at all. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:33, 18 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oy, really? Then yeah, that&#039;s f&#039;d up.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:25, 18 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::For reference, I didn&#039;t go to any trouble - I just found it when someone who has issues with the wiki posted a link it on Twitter, and even THEY thought you were being ridiculous. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:48, 15 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Authoritorial Intent. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Was one of the reasons for Knock Out&#039;s name change &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;really&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; because Lugnut wasn&#039;t sexy enough? Or are we just going with the flow of the article? Because I&#039;ve never seen the Notes section as a place for joking as such. [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 17:03, 4 August 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes to your first question. Although the claim needs to be sourced. BotCon, I think? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:14, 4 August 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I believe it was said at BotCon, yeah. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:17, 4 August 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Question about what side he&#039;s on? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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in the Finale Episode of Season 3 he attempted to switched sides, Miko knocked him out before he got any answer from Optimus Prime, but knowing Prime he more then likely would have said yes (with some guidelines) so is he now an Autobot or at least a &amp;quot;Non-Aligned&amp;quot; Transformer? [[User:Chasemarc1701|Chasemarc1701]] 19:23, 27 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Until we know otherwise, stick with Decepticon. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:57, 27 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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My logic: If TFP-Prime can have a little Decepticon symbol at the top of his page for that time he was Orion Pax, then I don&#039;t see what the problem is, but just to be sure, we should probably wait until Predacons Rising comes out to confirm his allegiance. {{unsigned|PunchSydeiron|22:20, September 12, 2013 (EDT)}}&lt;br /&gt;
:He would have to be admitted into the Autobots as a member. Decepticons have allied themselves with the Autobots in other continuities and remained Decepticons. I&#039;m thinking specifically of the Unicron Trilogy. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:43, 12 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::And Carnivac from Marvel UK. And Blackarachnia pre-&#039;&#039;[[Crossing the Rubicon]]&#039;&#039;. And Octane post-&#039;&#039;[[Thief in the Night]]&#039;&#039;. And... --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 10:15, 13 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well If you&#039;ve now watched &amp;quot;Transformers Prime: Predacons Rising&amp;quot; he fully changed side&#039;s to the Autobots, He actual was glad to see Optimus Prime. So his side preference would be Autobots. [[User:Speedy Question Mark|Speedy Question Mark]] 18:23, 15 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::The movie&#039;s not out until October. Unless you&#039;re watching it through less-than-legal means, in which case it&#039;d help to check [[Help:Official info|the Wiki&#039;s guidelines regarding leaked stuff]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:26, 15 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, he really does seem to chance sides in Predacons Rising, what with the whole &amp;quot;knocking out Starscream, siding with the Autobots as the last line of defense against Unicron, and the way Optimus praised him for his actions&amp;quot; thing.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vehicle mode? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Deluxe toy says it resembles a One-77, but i think it looks more like a DBS or a V8 Vantage.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;When Hot Shot asked if Optimus was a &#039;Cube-head&#039; I was under the impression that it may have been in reference to the &#039;Cheese- Heads&#039; from the Green Bay Packers. idk if it&#039;s a coincidence, but I thought I&#039;d bring it up anyways.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I doubt it. The use of &amp;quot;(whatever)-head&amp;quot; to describe an enthusiast of something is pretty common, like how people into mechanical work are sometimes called gearheads. I don&#039;t think you can tie it to the Packers specifically. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:31, 21 February 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Yeah, maybe I&#039;m biased from my family, but I did learn something from you. thanks![[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 23:36, 22 February 2019 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Recruits_Part_I&amp;diff=1324396</id>
		<title>Talk:Recruits Part I</title>
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		<updated>2019-02-22T00:27:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;When Hot Shot asked if Optimus was a &#039;Cube-head&#039; I was under the impression that it may have been in reference to the &#039;Cheese- Heads&#039; from the Green Bay Packers. idk if it&#039;s a coincidence, but I thought I&#039;d bring it up anyways.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2019 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Recruits_Part_I&amp;diff=1324394</id>
		<title>Talk:Recruits Part I</title>
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		<updated>2019-02-22T00:27:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: I think there was a real world reference&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;When Hot Shot asked if Optimus was a &#039;Cube-head&#039; I was under the impression that it may have been in reference to the &#039;Cheese- Heads&#039; from the Green Bay Packers. idk if it&#039;s a coincidence, but I thought I&#039;d bring it up anyways.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Federico_Viola&amp;diff=1304494</id>
		<title>Federico Viola</title>
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		<updated>2018-11-27T18:40:49Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Federico Viola&#039;&#039;&#039; (born [[August 16]], 1989) is an Italian voice actor. He voiced Cress in &#039;&#039;Pokémon Black and White&#039;&#039;, Marc in &#039;&#039;Bling Ring&#039;&#039; and Marcus in &#039;&#039;Lab Rats&#039;&#039;, among others.&lt;br /&gt;
==Voice roles==&lt;br /&gt;
===Robots in Disguise (2015)===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Fixit (RID)|Fixit]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Toolbox]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Cinch]]&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.antoniogenna.net/doppiaggio/voci/vocifvio.htm Federico Viola at Il Mondo dei Doppiatori]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Italian voice actors]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{DEFAULTSORT:Viola, Federico}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transformers:_Cyberverse_(cartoon)&amp;diff=1254047</id>
		<title>Talk:Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)</title>
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		<updated>2018-04-20T19:32:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* safe to assume if it&amp;#039;s a sequel or not? */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== No info yet (2017) ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Nothing is known or rumored beyond the teaser? It just mentions the two chapters and seems to imply that Bumblebee will play a role in chapter 1. Any rumors, leaks, or other info that just isn&#039;t reliable enough? [[User:Cosmos1|Cosmos1]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 20:54, 10 October 2017 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Teaser image (2017) ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This article has an image of some of the characters - should they be included in the main TFwiki article? http://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2017/10/14/transformers-cyberverse-animated-first-look/1 [[User:DoctorWhoFan|DoctorWhoFan]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan|talk]]) 13:44, 01 November 2017 (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Storing image for future use ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Transformers Cyberverse Chapter One.jpg|thumb|right|250px|G3 cometh.]]&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:10, 14 November 2017 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== safe to assume if it&#039;s a sequel or not? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think it might be it&#039;s own thing, given the cast.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Just tossing my hat in.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, when are we getting an airdate?[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 15:32, 20 April 2018 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Velgrox&amp;diff=1213502</id>
		<title>Velgrox</title>
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		<updated>2017-10-09T23:08:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Trivia */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;:&#039;&#039;Velgrox are aliens from the [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|&#039;&#039;Rescue Bots&#039;&#039; cartoon portion]] of the [[Aligned continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NewNormal Velgrox bridge.jpg|thumb|right|400px|&amp;quot;Captain&#039;s log, stardate 2016.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
The &#039;&#039;&#039;Velgrox&#039;&#039;&#039; are a violent alien race who place great value on the importance of a good meal. This wouldn&#039;t be so bad if their favourite dish didn&#039;t consist of other sentient organisms. Velgrox hunters wield web-based weaponry, snaring their targets and bringing them back to their ship. There, the prey is held, sometimes for days, until the Velgrox consume it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While [[Transformer]]s and their metallic physiology have little to fear from a Velgrox raiding party, squishier organic beings such as [[human]]s aren&#039;t quite as lucky...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Rescue Bots&#039;&#039; cartoon===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Jeff Bennett]] (English)}}&lt;br /&gt;
The Velgrox and Cybertronians had come into conflict with one another in the past.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Passing through the [[Solar System]], a ship of Velgrox intercepted a transmission from [[Cody Burns]] and [[Frankie Greene]], alerting them to the presence of food on [[Earth]]. The aliens landed their ship on [[Griffin Rock]] and set about capturing as many humans as possible. Meanwhile, the rest of the Velgrox crew set their ship down at Griffin Rock&#039;s power plant, intending to refuel their ship and conquer the rest of the planet. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Velgrox abducted a good deal of the island&#039;s population until the [[Rescue Bot]]s intervened. Believing that Earth was controlled by Cybertronians, the leader of the Velgrox immediately surrendered. Denied the opportunity to refuel or take their captives along, the Velgrox departed, and [[Boulder]] sabotaged their guidance system so that the aliens would never be able to find Earth again. {{storylink|New Normal}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Among the technology they left behind were some metal which could be made to become invisible. {{storylink|Vanishing Returns}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Trivia==&lt;br /&gt;
*The Velgrox have their own alien language and need to use translators to be able to speak English... which is &#039;&#039;pretty weird&#039;&#039;; usually in &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; fiction, all aliens just conveniently happen to speak English.&lt;br /&gt;
**They also appear to make guinea pig-like noises when speaking causally.&lt;br /&gt;
*For some reason, these guys know what [[wikipedia:ketchup|ketchup]] is.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Alien species]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Rescue Bots]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Velgrox&amp;diff=1213500</id>
		<title>Velgrox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Velgrox&amp;diff=1213500"/>
		<updated>2017-10-09T23:06:58Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Trivia */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;:&#039;&#039;Velgrox are aliens from the [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|&#039;&#039;Rescue Bots&#039;&#039; cartoon portion]] of the [[Aligned continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NewNormal Velgrox bridge.jpg|thumb|right|400px|&amp;quot;Captain&#039;s log, stardate 2016.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
The &#039;&#039;&#039;Velgrox&#039;&#039;&#039; are a violent alien race who place great value on the importance of a good meal. This wouldn&#039;t be so bad if their favourite dish didn&#039;t consist of other sentient organisms. Velgrox hunters wield web-based weaponry, snaring their targets and bringing them back to their ship. There, the prey is held, sometimes for days, until the Velgrox consume it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While [[Transformer]]s and their metallic physiology have little to fear from a Velgrox raiding party, squishier organic beings such as [[human]]s aren&#039;t quite as lucky...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Rescue Bots&#039;&#039; cartoon===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Jeff Bennett]] (English)}}&lt;br /&gt;
The Velgrox and Cybertronians had come into conflict with one another in the past.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Passing through the [[Solar System]], a ship of Velgrox intercepted a transmission from [[Cody Burns]] and [[Frankie Greene]], alerting them to the presence of food on [[Earth]]. The aliens landed their ship on [[Griffin Rock]] and set about capturing as many humans as possible. Meanwhile, the rest of the Velgrox crew set their ship down at Griffin Rock&#039;s power plant, intending to refuel their ship and conquer the rest of the planet. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Velgrox abducted a good deal of the island&#039;s population until the [[Rescue Bot]]s intervened. Believing that Earth was controlled by Cybertronians, the leader of the Velgrox immediately surrendered. Denied the opportunity to refuel or take their captives along, the Velgrox departed, and [[Boulder]] sabotaged their guidance system so that the aliens would never be able to find Earth again. {{storylink|New Normal}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Among the technology they left behind were some metal which could be made to become invisible. {{storylink|Vanishing Returns}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Trivia==&lt;br /&gt;
*The Velgrox have their own alien language and need to use translators to be able to speak English... which is &#039;&#039;pretty weird&#039;&#039;; usually in &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; fiction, all aliens just conveniently happen to speak English.&lt;br /&gt;
**They also appear to make hamster-like noises when speaking causally.&lt;br /&gt;
*For some reason, these guys know what [[wikipedia:ketchup|ketchup]] is.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Alien species]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Rescue Bots]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Velgrox&amp;diff=1213496</id>
		<title>Velgrox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Velgrox&amp;diff=1213496"/>
		<updated>2017-10-09T23:01:46Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Trivia */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;:&#039;&#039;Velgrox are aliens from the [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|&#039;&#039;Rescue Bots&#039;&#039; cartoon portion]] of the [[Aligned continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NewNormal Velgrox bridge.jpg|thumb|right|400px|&amp;quot;Captain&#039;s log, stardate 2016.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
The &#039;&#039;&#039;Velgrox&#039;&#039;&#039; are a violent alien race who place great value on the importance of a good meal. This wouldn&#039;t be so bad if their favourite dish didn&#039;t consist of other sentient organisms. Velgrox hunters wield web-based weaponry, snaring their targets and bringing them back to their ship. There, the prey is held, sometimes for days, until the Velgrox consume it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While [[Transformer]]s and their metallic physiology have little to fear from a Velgrox raiding party, squishier organic beings such as [[human]]s aren&#039;t quite as lucky...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Rescue Bots&#039;&#039; cartoon===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Jeff Bennett]] (English)}}&lt;br /&gt;
The Velgrox and Cybertronians had come into conflict with one another in the past.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Passing through the [[Solar System]], a ship of Velgrox intercepted a transmission from [[Cody Burns]] and [[Frankie Greene]], alerting them to the presence of food on [[Earth]]. The aliens landed their ship on [[Griffin Rock]] and set about capturing as many humans as possible. Meanwhile, the rest of the Velgrox crew set their ship down at Griffin Rock&#039;s power plant, intending to refuel their ship and conquer the rest of the planet. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Velgrox abducted a good deal of the island&#039;s population until the [[Rescue Bot]]s intervened. Believing that Earth was controlled by Cybertronians, the leader of the Velgrox immediately surrendered. Denied the opportunity to refuel or take their captives along, the Velgrox departed, and [[Boulder]] sabotaged their guidance system so that the aliens would never be able to find Earth again. {{storylink|New Normal}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Among the technology they left behind were some metal which could be made to become invisible. {{storylink|Vanishing Returns}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Trivia==&lt;br /&gt;
*The Velgrox have their own alien language and need to use translators to be able to speak English... which is &#039;&#039;pretty weird&#039;&#039;; usually in &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; fiction, all aliens just conveniently happen to speak English.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*For some reason, these guys know what [[wikipedia:ketchup|ketchup]] is.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Alien species]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Rescue Bots]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Golden_Knight&amp;diff=1201143</id>
		<title>Talk:The Golden Knight</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Golden_Knight&amp;diff=1201143"/>
		<updated>2017-08-13T17:55:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: Am I the only one who saw this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;When I saw the planet destroying device and it&#039;s shape reminded me of the pear of anguish. Here&#039;s a link to a page on it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pear_of_anguish you see it too, right?[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 13:55, 13 August 2017 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Bumblebee_(Movie)&amp;diff=1191973</id>
		<title>Talk:Bumblebee (Movie)</title>
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		<updated>2017-07-11T03:29:17Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Chatty Cathy */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;So, like I said, this is just to kick around a movie character page until we figure out how we&#039;re going to organize everything.  There&#039;s a few areas I think need adressing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*First is the disambiguation description.  Currently I have it as (Movie) but do we want to change it?  I think we should, in at least because we actually have another Transformers movie floating around.  Additionally, while the movie is the main focus, there is other content within the canon that is non-movie.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Continuity Family description.  While &amp;quot;Transformers (2007)&amp;quot; is probably the best we have, it&#039;ll kind of sound a bit weird if we ever get a further stuff in this unverse at a later date.  (Movie) would also a bad term IMO.  Not sure if there&#039;s a better option though.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Fiction Descriptions.  There&#039;s at least three key areas of fiction that will be relevant (four, perhaps, if the IDW movie adaptation has stuff that isn&#039;t in the movie).  The first is the prequel comic.  According to the comic cover (a copy of which can be found [http://tfarchive.com/comics/idw/movieprequel1a.php here], it&#039;s called the &amp;quot;Transformers Official Movie Prequel.&amp;quot;  Sounds a bit pretentious..  IDW Prequel Comic would be sufficant?&lt;br /&gt;
The second is the Prequel novel, which is listed on amazon [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Ghosts-Yesterday-Ballantine-Books/dp/0345497988/sr=1-1/qid=1170093193/ref=sr_1_1/102-1005451-0556957?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books 1] here.  It&#039;s labeled as just &amp;quot;Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday&amp;quot; but I&#039;m not sure if we should point out that it is also a prequel to the movie.&lt;br /&gt;
The third, of course, is the film.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So, anywho, that&#039;s everything I think that needs to be addressed at this moment.  Any ideas/opinions/comments/complaints? --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 17:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Oh yeah, and we also need actual pics of the Bee at some point.  For the prequel comic, the cover for the first issue should do nicely. (Available at the above link)  The only problem is I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s kosher to just snag it off that guys page.  As for the main picture, a screencap from the trailer might work; though a picture of that prop that was floating around would be better (but I really doubt it would be kosher. :D) --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 18:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I apologize in advance for my recent edits.  Am in a weird mood today. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 18:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:How can you apologize in advance for something you&#039;ve already did? :D  --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 18:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::See the continuity section of &amp;quot;Earthforce&amp;quot; for a detailed explanation. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 18:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I move that the debate about the best way to suffix these articles be shelved until the movie prequels are out- in the hopes that:&lt;br /&gt;
* The characters &#039;read&#039; as another iteration of the G1 characters, rendering this debate unnecessary.&lt;br /&gt;
* The prequels themselves present some handy blanket catchphrase for referring to their continuity.&lt;br /&gt;
-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 29 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:This was prompted by a review of the first issue of the prequel comic being released.  Like I said, it comes off as different as G1 as Armada was.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 19:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And really, to answer whether or not this is &amp;quot;another iteration of the G1 characters&amp;quot; would require just what that entails.  Where is the line drawn between &amp;quot;reimagining&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;new version?&amp;quot;  As I mentioned elsewhere, what&#039;s the big difference between Armada Optimus Prime and G1 Optimus Prime?  They&#039;re pretty much the same character. At least as similar as G1 toon Optimus was to G1 IDW Comic Optimus--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 19:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::Fundamental universe construction.&lt;br /&gt;
::And I wasn&#039;t aware there was a review out-- where? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Whoops.  I posted a link above but I guess I didn&#039;t point out it also had a review.  Here ya go again. [http://tfarchive.com/comics/idw/movieprequel1a.php SPOILERS AHOY!]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::::I would second the sentiment that sorting out a lot of this stuff should be put on hold until the prequel materials actually start being released, and we can get a somewhat more clear look at the shape of the movie-verse. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Spoilers==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m somewhat handicapped by not reading the article because I choose to, but I can&#039;t help that notice that we have a &#039;&#039;&#039;fiction summary from an issue that is not out yet without a spoiler tag.&#039;&#039;&#039;  [[Talk:Transformers (film)#For the love of God, part 2|For the love of God]], why are we doing this?  I asked &#039;&#039;almost&#039;&#039; nicely.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:11, 30 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:The main reason I didn&#039;t spoiler-tag the article is that I completely made up the whole fiction section. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 17:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: And that&#039;s what I get for not reading it, I guess.  I have been punk&#039;d.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: So what I did was basically like leaving a ticking alarm clock in a case of Twinkies and leaving it at the baggage check, but without the feds knocking on my door?  Never intended to do such a thing but it still makes me chuckle.  --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 17:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I cleared out the misinformation and added a direct link to the main Bumblebee article. I&#039;m not even sure which other pages link to this movie specific one.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:And in the process, you completely obliterated the entire reason this page was created in the first place (see the top of this talk page), &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; added a real spoiler to the beginning of the article!  Brilliant!  --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 17:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Time For a Real Page ==&lt;br /&gt;
When is it going to be time for a REAL BB (Movie) page? All the other characters pretty much have them now and we know how things will be set up. It was a good joke, but I think it may be time to let it go and give him a real, useful entry. Opinions?&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m honestly surprised it hasn&#039;t already been fixed. :D--[[User:209.193.18.195|209.193.18.195]] 11:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I agree - there&#039;s plenty of officially-released info and stuff from the IDW comics and novel to form the basis of a half-decent serious article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Car geekings==&lt;br /&gt;
I noticed Bumblebee&#039;s identified as a 1967 Camaro.  Is this model year stated anywhere officially?  He looks more like a second-generation body style, which ran from 1970 to &#039;81.&lt;br /&gt;
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I guess this is as good a place as any to say (argue?) that the Camaro can concievably still fit with Bumblebee&#039;s original &amp;quot;economic&amp;quot; character traits.  If he is indeed a second-gen, that seems to be the model that ran during the beginnings of the 1980s fuel crisis, and thus lost power in favor of economy (implied from the Camaro&#039;s Wiki entry.)  The upcoming fifth-generation has at least one modern fuel-saving technology, cylinder-cutoff.&lt;br /&gt;
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If, you know, that even needed to be said.  The Camaro&#039;s a great car for Bumblebee to pick to make good with human youth anyway.-[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 10:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I believe its actually a 1974 Camaro. Walky made a mistake, methinks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I have the prequels handy, and Sector 7 says he&#039;s either a &#039;75 or a &#039;76. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I&#039;m dyslexic!  Fix it!  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Disambig suffix ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is there a reason (Movie) is capitalized when things like (planet) are not?&lt;br /&gt;
:I would assume because &amp;quot;Movie&amp;quot; has been what we&#039;re calling the continuity family. Come to think of it, I&#039;m kinda not sure whether it oughta be capitalized or not. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::That makes sense, a continity family would logically be a Proper Name, so it works.&lt;br /&gt;
::(Man, I can&#039;t WAIT &#039;til we figure out a better name for this continuity family and we get to change all the links...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:40, 10 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::[[User:DiagnosticDrone]] will do it.  He likes that kind of thing. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 20:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Amusing tidbit ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I ran across the following amusing (unused?) text string while poking the undercode of Transforemrsgame.com.  It made me laugh.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Bumblebee is an Autobot. See Bumblebee run. See Bumblebee throw a car five hundred feet through the air smashing a large, heavily trafficked office building slaughtering hundreds all in the name of &amp;quot;Proecting&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Defending&amp;quot; the Earth, or whatever they want to call it today. Thanks Bumblebee, you&#039;re a real pal!&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;But seriously. Bumblebee was in the original Transformers movie for like, less than 10 seconds total and it worked out great. Why is he being given HotRod like airtime in this new movie? Better yet, WHERE IS HOTROD? I mean, COME ON PEOPLE. What are you thinking?!&lt;br /&gt;
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==Old spare pic==&lt;br /&gt;
Old promo render --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Chatty Cathy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Currently the article says Bumblebee can&#039;t talk.  We&#039;ve got other sources that say he can&#039;t speak without pain (and chances of aggravating the injury?)  And then of course there&#039;s the movie, where the Autobts say he can&#039;t talk- until he does under... bizarre circumstances.  The can&#039;t talk section clearly needs changing- but I&#039;m at a loss as to what it should say. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::He can`t talk without pain. At the end, the AB,s fix him. Get it? Good. Shut up.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 22:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: I think now his new voice box has chronic larengitus. Anyone else?[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 23:29, 10 July 2017 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bumblebee knowing about the witwicky family ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it stated in a prequel material how come Bumblebee knew about the relation between the Witwicky family and the Allspark? And how come the Decepticon never did the connection until hacking POTUS in the movie?--[[User:193.191.211.52|193.191.211.52]] 06:42, 23 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: In the prequel comics, Bumblebee did a Schwiggle (Google) search for &amp;quot;UFOs&amp;quot; or something, which brought up Captain Archibald Witwicky&#039;s &amp;quot;Ice Man&amp;quot; discovery.  He then apparently spent the next four years stalking Witwicky&#039;s various descendents.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible error ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Bumblebee new Camaro toy section:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Contrary to popular opinion, the yellow pieces on the back of Bumblebee&#039;s feet are not supposed to be heel spurs, nor have they not been misassembled. They are supposed to fold up to emulate the detail found on the CGI design.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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NOR have they NOT been misassembled means that they HAVE been misassembled. Have they or haven&#039;t they? Either way, I think this warrants a change of wording. [[User:Fiction Alchemist|C.V. Reynolds]] 10:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, I made a typo. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Toy Page ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What is with the toy page, it&#039;s all over the place! There&#039;s Robot Heroes in the middle of the RC toys, Legends Class in the middle of the Deluxe Section, heck this is more of a Bumblebee toy page, than his bio page! [[User:198.166.226.72|198.166.226.72]] 08:52, 3 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I sorted the toy list. Anyone who thinks it was better the way it was before please state so here; otherwise I propose adjusting the other movie characters&#039; toy pages in a similar fashion.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Looks good, Nev--sorting by mold and then by chronological release order works pretty well for these. Splitting off the section to its own page might still be worth a look, but either way, I&#039;d be in favor of this organizational structure for the movie toy sections.--[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 21:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I think it&#039;s a good idea to split this page so that the toys themselves get a page on there own, the toys page is HUGE.--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, that&#039;s definitely an improvement! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:45, 11 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Apparently M &amp;quot;this is how we do stuff here&amp;quot; Sipher didn&#039;t agree. And decided to ignore the talk page too.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::You know, we originally seperated the FABs, Cyber Slammers ect out of what we considered the &#039;main line&#039; (Legends, Deluxes, Voyagers, Leaders)... until M Sipher decided to change everything, which resulted in the gigantic, confusing toy list. I say we keep Nevermore&#039;s changes, because it is clean, organised, logical and easy to read, and makes it easy to edit because you know which sub-section you&#039;re after, instead of editing one giant section. After all, out of all of us, who is the most logical and organised here? Nevermore, that&#039;s who. I don&#039;t even like him and I can say that. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Though everything seems more easy to find this way, I think the Screen Battles releases should be next to each other.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::That&#039;s one of the very few things I haven&#039;t figured out yet - same thing about packs that contain two different Bumblebee toys (Evolution of a Hero, Ultimate with Titanium), which would theoretically require double entries.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::At the &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; least, I disagree with splitting up Robot Heroes, Cyber Slammers, FABs, Replicas, and the like into one-item subsections. I don&#039;t like having a billion subsections for such minimal content each. It&#039;s one thing for a franchise to have a subsection, it&#039;s another for what boils down to a size class with only one thing in it. And I &#039;&#039;&#039;strongly&#039;&#039;&#039; disagree with the notion that all movie character pages should be like this; the &#039;&#039;majority&#039;&#039; of movie characters just flat-out don&#039;t have enough stuff to remotely justify this kind of splitting. Bumblebee is an anomaly. &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039; doesn&#039;t even have this much stuff, let alone Jazz or Ironhide or even Megatron. sPlitting them up into a bunch of subsections would be ridiculous.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Frankly, I &#039;&#039;do&#039;&#039; prefer the straight linear listing. I think it gives a better impression of how the releases progressed through the series. And I&#039;d just as soon drop the mile-long parentheticals to boot.--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I think I&#039;d be grudgingly okay with big subsection splitting {{m-}}&#039;&#039;for Bumblebee only&#039;&#039;{{m-}} if we split his toys into their own article, like we have for G1 Prime and some others whose pages have gotten overly huge. Bee&#039;s article is certainly goddamn huge enough to split off the toy/merch section into its own page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::My problem with a chronological list is that with ten different toys being released within the span of three months, there&#039;s nothing much gained from pointing out which toy was spotted in stores three days before the other one. On the other hand, six different deco variants for Bumblebee being spread across the entire page, with FABs, Cyber Slammers, Ultimate BB and Legends scattered in between makes it a lot more confusing. Likewise, for Jazz, there are three distinct variants of the Legends toy alone, plus three or four versions of the Deluxe toy, plus FAB, Cyber Slammer and whatnot. Generally, having all versions of a mold being listed in release order makes it waaaay more easy to navigate, and easier for the &amp;quot;average&amp;quot;, non-you-and-me visitor to understand which toy is a redeco of which than having a note saying &amp;quot;Premium Bumblebee is a redeco of Deluxe Bumblebee version 2&amp;quot;, and then having to scroll up to look for that toy. And how many versions of a toy justify a different sub-section for you, anyways?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::While I don&#039;t have much opinion either way on this, I will throw in that it looks very, very odd to have the Legends class toy as the first entry on the list.  Given the way most Transformer characters evolve, it makes it looks like that was his main toy incarnation, and everything else a later evolution (even though the Movie toys are an exception to the usual rules.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Well, what do you think the &amp;quot;main&amp;quot; Movie Prime toy is? Voyager or Leader? The difference between the movie line and older lines (especially G1) is that there&#039;s a bunch of different toys for the same character in different size classes and gimmick-based sub-lines released around the same time, rather than ONE toy being released, then a new toy not until several months (or years, even) later. I started with the smallest size, then moved on to the next largest size class, and so on. Putting one toy as the &amp;quot;main&amp;quot; toy would not only be pretty subjective, but also screw things up more. Again, Leader or Voyager Prime? Deluxe &#039;77 Bumblebee or Deluxe &#039;09 Bumblebee? Do we sort the list by &amp;quot;importance&amp;quot; of the toy? So Deluxe &#039;09 - Deluxe &#039;77 - Ultimate - Legends? or what? Again, highly subjective. Starting with size classes (&amp;quot;Legends Class&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Deluxe Class&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Voyager Class&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Leader Class&amp;quot; and Ultimate Bumblebee), sorted by ascending price point, and then having what Hasbro officially calls &amp;quot;Fast Transforming Fun&amp;quot; follow is not.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Bumblebee&#039;s gigantic mass of merchanidse is a very rare EXCEPTION even among the movie characters, and making broad, over-arching rules out of exceptions is ridiculous. When G1 Prime&#039;s toys got split off into its own page, we didn&#039;t do it for every other toy-character page because that would have been pointless. Jazz&#039;s much, &#039;&#039;much&#039;&#039; smaller handful of toys is not remotely confusing without splitting everything up by sizeclass/pricepoint unless you&#039;re easily confused by, say, &#039;&#039;rain&#039;&#039;, and this holds true for pretty much the entire movie character set. And there &#039;&#039;does not have to be a rigid, exactly-calculated demarcation amount&#039;&#039;. We don&#039;t have them for a lot of other things on this wiki, like subgroup categories. You make the exception for Bumblebee&#039;s toy-page, you &#039;&#039;note&#039;&#039; the exception to the stanards and the reasons why on the actual page, then you do &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; do it for everyone else who &#039;&#039;don&#039;t&#039;&#039; need the separate toy-page because there is &#039;&#039;no need to&#039;&#039;. What is the point in separating the lone Robot Replica or Cyber Slammer of a character with maybe a dozen releases (if you include multi-packs of toys unchanged from individual release) into a subsection but to pad out the TOC? If we split the Legends out, why aren&#039;t we doing it for cybertron and Classics characters? Because there&#039;s no point. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Okay, then about Prime. Listing toys in release order gives us the following anomalies: 1) Robo-Vision Prime being listed before regular Voyager Prime, but called a &amp;quot;redeco&amp;quot; of the toy that was released later. I would call this confusing, especially in a where-the-hell-do-I-find-this way for incidential visitors. 2) UK/Japan Nightwatch Prime and US Nightwatch Prime being listed several screens apart, rather than back to back. Again, I really see no reason WHY release order should take priority over size classes/molds. I could do with different sub-sections, but having all variations/repackages of a mold listed back to back IS more useful than having them all over the place. The only actual argument I see from your position is &amp;quot;too many sub-sections&amp;quot;, but that doesn&#039;t even remotely touch the question why &amp;quot;release order&amp;quot; should be soooo superior.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::The Robo-Vision is easy. You just say &amp;quot;An exclusive redeco that was ultimately released before the mainline toy was as part of a special arrangement with Target&amp;quot;. I mean, that&#039;s what it &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039;. A simple, one-sentence explanation. Exclusive &amp;quot;predecos&amp;quot; happen in other Hasbro lines. And why are you listing the non-US Nightwatch Prime releases separately, exactly? Is there ANYTHING about them that can&#039;t be handled with a second paragraph (&amp;quot;The UK/Japanese releases of this toy, which predated the US release by about a month, added a tumor to Prime&#039;s big toe and came with an AllSpark cube accessory&amp;quot;) as part of the US Nightwatch Prime entry, as so many other slight international variants listed on &#039;&#039;every other page&#039;&#039; are? (In fact, the normal retail Japanese 70&#039;s Bee shouldn&#039;t really be separated from the US one.) And we do release order because &#039;&#039;that&#039;s how it is on the wiki, on the hundreds of applicable pages&#039;&#039;. That&#039;s what 99.9% of the time works out best. &#039;&#039;Once again&#039;&#039;, making broad rules out of rare exceptions is a &#039;&#039;bad idea&#039;&#039;. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, UK/Japan Nightwatch Prime appears to be a separate product as per Hasbro. It comes in different packaging, even the UK version comes in US-style packaging, with a different product code number, so this is just as much an &amp;quot;official variant&amp;quot; as minor-redeco Jazz from the Legends two-pack, or Premium Jazz vs. regular Jazz. And quite frankly, &amp;quot;This is how we do things here&amp;quot; is not an argument about which is &#039;&#039;better&#039;&#039;, it&#039;s &#039;&#039;dodging the issue at hand&#039;&#039; by simply insisting on established conventions regardless of circumstances. Basically, what sets the movie toyline as a whole apart from previous toylines is that it contains an unusually large number of same-character redecos of the same toys within the same toyline. There are four or five versions of the Deluxe Jazz mold, all of which are distinct products with distinct bios and distinct packaging, same for Barricade, then there&#039;s four or five variants of the Voyager Prime mold, three or four versions of the Voyager, and so on. For the UT toys, there were maybe three different size classes altogether per character per series, each of which got a maximum of three redecos, so listing them by series is enough. In the movie line, on the other hand, you get a much larger number of size classes, each with their own set of repaints, so there&#039;s definitely a noticeable difference there.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also, last I checked, you weren&#039;t an admin here. I see two people with sysop or admin powers confirming that my system works better (with only a few minor criticisms), plus several other users sharing my view. Unless you can find more people (and admins) backing up your position, I&#039;d say your personal opinion loses to majority rule.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 22:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;quot;Different packaging&amp;quot; of the same toy? Good god, you&#039;ve just described &#039;&#039;virtually every TF sold outside the US since the line began&#039;&#039;, never mind &#039;&#039;domestic&#039;&#039; packaging changes. Are we going to split every one of those on the wiki into separate bullet-pointed releases too? That&#039;s &#039;&#039;thousands&#039;&#039; of items, and frankly ridiculous to the point of just flat-out fucking stupid. UK/Japanese Nightwatch Prime &#039;&#039;should not&#039;&#039; be listed separately, no more than the 90&#039;s Classics Throttlebots should be listed separately from the 86 releases, or &#039;&#039;Super Robot Lfieform&#039;&#039; Lambor from Sideswipe, etc. If there&#039;s some CostCo new-box Nightwatch Priem and Stealth bumblebee, then yes, you list &#039;&#039;that&#039;&#039;, but not &amp;quot;Nightwatch Prime sold by himself in Strongbadian packaging&amp;quot;. And you keep ignoring the part of &amp;quot;that&#039;s how it&#039;s done here&amp;quot; that says &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;because that&#039;s what works best 99.9% of the time&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;. I strongly disagree with the contention that the whole movie cast needs these big sweeping changes to their pages&#039; organization, even with the same-toy multipacks. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I just want to add that Siph&#039;s system is essentially 100% unusable as a reference for heavily-merchandised movie characters. What sane person is going to find a list of over a score of toys released in the same year sorted by date of first retail sighting useful? It makes you go through every single entry on the page if you just want to know what decoes of the &#039;09 body Deluxe have been made. [[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What part of &amp;quot;Bumblebee is the exception&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;rules out of exceptions = bad&amp;quot; do you continue to miss? The overhwleming majority of the movie bots are &#039;&#039;nowhere&#039;&#039; as heavily merchandised as Bumblebee by a long shot, about as much as the average UT A-lister. Extending an EXCEPTION to a bunch of entries that &#039;&#039;do not match the exception&#039;&#039; is pointless. I&#039;ve already conceded that something different should be done for Bumblebee &#039;&#039;with the move to a toy page&#039;&#039;, noting that I do not feel that every individual brand/pricepoint should be subsectioned. That &#039;&#039;does not mean&#039;&#039; every other movie characer page needs to follow suit. Why would you do this to, say, Scorponok or Blackout? Or Ratchet? They&#039;re not drowning in toys. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Ratchet has a Legends toy with a running change variant (which would be okay as a footnote) and a redeco, a Voyager toy with two redecos, an FAB with a redeco and a Cyber Slammer. I could even do without the sub-section headers there, but keeping them sorted by size class/price point is much cleaner, easier to navigate and overall more logical than a depending-on-distribution-patterns-and-store-sightings-based release order. I wouldn&#039;t even mind resorting the UT characters&#039; toys by size/price point, at least within the individual series sections, which wouldn&#039;t be much of a problem considering they only had a maximum of about five or six different toys per series in total. And you &#039;&#039;still&#039;&#039; fail to adress the question why &amp;quot;release order&amp;quot; is &#039;&#039;better&#039;&#039; than &amp;quot;by size/price point/base toy&amp;quot;. Your arguments thus far have been: 1) &amp;quot;This is how we do things&amp;quot;, 2) &amp;quot;There&#039;s not that many different toys for most characters&amp;quot;, both of which are merely questioning the &#039;&#039;necessity&#039;&#039; of my system, but do not prove your system to be &#039;&#039;better&#039;&#039; in any way whatsoever.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 22:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: &amp;quot;The overwhelming majority&amp;quot; really looks like a baseless assertion to me. Even &#039;&#039;Jazz&#039;&#039; has enough toys to make your system actively hostile as a reference tool, which was never a problem with the A-list UT characters. If you want to convince people, you should present statistics for this. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Differences between the movie and the comics ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, in the movie Ratchet simply says &amp;quot;his vocal processors were damaged in battle, I&#039;m still working on them&amp;quot;. Since Megatron has been on Earth for several thousand years, I find it hard to believe that it takes Ratchet that long to fix Bumblebee&#039;s vocal processors. Considering Orci said that it was his intention to have Bumblebee&#039;s regained ability to speak at the end of the movie being an after-effect of Ratchet&#039;s healing beam he fired at Bumblebee around the middle of the movie, I find it extremely hard to believe that Ratchet has been working on Bumblebee&#039;s vocal processors for several thousand years, and then all it takes is a single healing beam and a few days later he can suddenly talk again. (I know Orci said the contact with the Allspark was also a valid expanation, but that wasn&#039;t what he had in mind originally)&lt;br /&gt;
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In general, I wonder how this Wiki is approaching contradictions in different media, especially when one is considered to take priority over the other. (or do we consider the toy bios and the UK comics just as &amp;quot;important&amp;quot; as the movie itself?) Do we pretend the contradictions don&#039;t exist, try to reconcile them in the write-up and only mention them under &amp;quot;trivia&amp;quot;, or do we give a rundown on the portrayal of characters and events sorted by different media, present the contradictions as they are and then comment on them and try to come up with a possible reconciliation in the trivia section?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I believe we just present contradictions as they are.  Present just the facts and let the reader draw conclusions as they will.  In cases like this, where the contradiction is the result of similar stories told by two different media, the different media generally get treated as seperate continuities.  This particular contradiction seems so minor, though, and a little too rooted in an individual fan&#039;s beliefs.  Perhaps Ratchet has done a lot of work off-screen, when he can in between missions.  The beam could&#039;ve been the final touch he hadn&#039;t yet had a chance to apply.  See?  Fan-spec.  Fan-spec bad.--[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think another question would be this: If a character is featured in different media that contradict each other in some ways, should details that are only officially &amp;quot;valid&amp;quot; for one set of media (i.e. Bumblebee having been muted by Megatron) be featured in the introduction, or should the introduction be limited to details &#039;&#039;confirmed valid for all the different media&#039;&#039; and have the only-in-certain-media information restricted to the sections that explicitly deal with the portrayal in those media? For example, the introductory section just says &amp;quot;Bumblebee was damaged in battle&amp;quot;, and then the comic section says &amp;quot;hree it was Megatron that damaged him.&amp;quot;?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::We try to make the introductions continuity-neutral.  I would say that if the sole contradiction is from a very &amp;quot;minor&amp;quot; source -- like a single kids&#039; storybook -- it&#039;s probably okay to neglect that and talk about the thing, whatever thing it is, in the intro.  In this case -- movie versus UK movie comics -- I think it&#039;s better to reword the intro so it fits both.  Comics are, to me, a pretty &amp;quot;important&amp;quot; source of fiction, not something to be brushed aside.  But that is admittedly subjective.  And of course this all assumes that the fact in the intro is worth including in the first place.  In this case, I would say it is.  But sometimes the offending tidbit could just be removed from the intro entirely.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:55, 16 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trivia addition ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;It could be that the doc didn&#039;t have enough time/resources, what with all the war &amp;amp; inter-stellar space travel, to fully perfect the healing plasma early enough. And even if he did, Bee took off for the Cube after only a marginal amount of repairs were performed on him after his encounter with Megs, so a vile of even faster-acting plasma could be sitting in Ratchet&#039;s lab back on ol&#039; Cybertron... if the &#039;Cons didn&#039;t trash it of course. They did.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Aside from the split infinitive and misspelling of &amp;quot;vial&amp;quot; (and the idea that plasma could be kept in a vial like some liquid), would this be excessive speculation, or is it okay for the Trivia section to include?  I was debating whether to correct it or outright remove it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Sector Seven in Second Life? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone know where I can find this, or if it&#039;s been taken down? I&#039;m an avid Second Lifer and Transformers fan, and would spaz out if I could see this. [[User:Ferryn|Ferryn]] 23:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Transforming versions===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Removed that bit cos it said &amp;quot;some sellers&amp;quot; and that sounds like non-official fan-creations. Tell me if I&#039;m wrong. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:30, 28 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Mistakes on page (could somebody change this, please?) ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the description of the &amp;quot;towed to safety pack&amp;quot;, I quote the following:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Unusually, the pictures on the front of the box show the robot-mode toys instead of an artist&#039;s depiction of their faces—a rarity for this toy line.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In fact, the face artwork is mainly on the US toys, whereas the EU editions usually have photos. And since this was a UK exclusive, that&#039;s why there&#039;s a pic instead of artwork!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
And here&#039;s another one, under the Fast Action Battler heading:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;As such, his hood does not collapse or deform into the multi-segmented piece seen in other toys.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The FAB front bumper splits into two halves that can each rotate downwards. Does that not class as &#039;deforming&#039;? Like the Ultimate class, the chest is mis-transformed in the packaging and in the official photos, but it does split up, honest!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
--[[Special:Contributions/84.71.205.110|84.71.205.110]] 21:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC) (Ryan Frost)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Hoverball? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Is BB&#039;s Cybertronian mode a hoverball in Defiance #4? What is that thing? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:29, 27 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Giant promotional Bumblebee ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hasbro took a giant (1:1, I think) replica Bumblebee in robot mode (and Camaro mode, for that matter) to Licensing Expo 2010 for people to be photographed with, and I got several nice-for-a-cellphone shots of him. And some crappier ones of him with the car. Should one of those go here, or with the toys, or with another article entirely...? --[[User:Wednesday|Wednesday]] 17:47, 20 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: It&#039;s probably the one that&#039;s been at BotCon a few times. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:50, 20 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Was it [http://www.botcon.com/BotCon09/webfiles/DSC_1428.JPG.html this guy]? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:52, 20 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Yep, that&#039;s him. So probably not too useful then. (Heh; licensing guys get to stand directly between his legs. I wish I&#039;d caught some of those.) --[[User:Wednesday|Wednesday]] 19:29, 20 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Final Notes bullet point ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Bumblebee&#039;s robot mode &amp;amp; the vehicle mode doesn&#039;t match each other in the Dark of The Moon. his new Camaro SS mode in the Dark of the Moon doesn&#039;t spotted any thin line anymore on the racing strips, while the robot mode somehow make it as if that he still have some thin black line on the racing strips.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
... what? Between the awkward spelling and grammar, I&#039;m not sure if this is even factually correct, assuming I even understand what IP 118.136.34.221 is trying to say there.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:24, 7 June 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He is saying the CG of the robot mode wasn&#039;t designed with the SSX Camaro in mind so changes from the new car model are absent in the robot mode. I suspect the robot model was reused from the previous film and was just a oversight.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Dark of the Moon Bumblebee... ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I noticed that the only picture of Bumblebee in the Dark of the Moon section doesn&#039;t show his redone abdomen area. I think a picture of it should be added. --[[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 13:51, 28 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:There&#039;ll be more pictures added when the movie&#039;s out on DVD. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:27, 28 July 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Walkaround Character ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:USH-Walkaround-Bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|200px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
Universal Studios Hollywood has walkaround versions of Bumblebee and Optimus Prime.  I&#039;m sure they should be mentioned somewhere on the page, but I&#039;m not sure where.  --[[User:Pjdonnell|pjdonnell]] 21:39, 13 October 2012 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Great_Divide&amp;diff=1182430</id>
		<title>Talk:The Great Divide</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Great_Divide&amp;diff=1182430"/>
		<updated>2017-06-05T13:31:40Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: W Sideswipe&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I believe they use a &#039;W&#039; for the subtitles because he is/was the &#039;Wimpy&#039; Sideswipe. That does make one wonder what the other Sideswipe would have gotten for his subtitle name. &#039;A&#039; for &#039;Aggressive&#039;?[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 09:31, 5 June 2017 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rebellion_(Prime)&amp;diff=1160814</id>
		<title>Talk:Rebellion (Prime)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rebellion_(Prime)&amp;diff=1160814"/>
		<updated>2017-02-05T22:44:13Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Just realized something */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Skystrikers? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Fowler called his jet squadron &amp;quot;Skystrikers&amp;quot; - a reference to the [[Skystriker (vehicle)|G.I. Joe jet of the same name]]? --[[User:Pjdonnell|pjdonnell]] 13:38, 13 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== How can that happen? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ok, so Predaking froze within moments of being bridged to the Arctic. That like breaks the rules of science, cause he&#039;s so big &amp;amp; he could have extra-thick &amp;quot;skin&amp;quot; or something, so it would take a couple of days, oh yeah, &amp;amp; HE&#039;S A DRAGON so he could make some sort of fire nest like Toothless in How to Train Your Dragon. Well, that &amp;amp; he&#039;s HUGE! {{unsigned|Femtransfan}}&lt;br /&gt;
:I wonder how many tons he weighs, and how he manages to generate lift just by flapping his wings. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:07, 17 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::See, I just figured they bridged him to a far colder region of the Arctic than Prime and Arcee were in that one time, so he froze faster. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:31, 18 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::He went out faster than movie Megatron being hit with liquid nitrogen, though. Granted two different continuities, but that thing is just...starkers.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:13, 18 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The new ion blaster? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The hanndheld cannon that Optimus uses to kill a group of vehicon is a ion blaster or not?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Just realized something ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You know how Optimus saw Alpha Trion before he died? That actually does happen when people die. The hallucinations are peaceful and the person sees deceased family and/or friends. I learned this in health class from a hospice worker.[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 17:44, 5 February 2017 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Carjacked!&amp;diff=1138748</id>
		<title>Talk:Carjacked!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Carjacked!&amp;diff=1138748"/>
		<updated>2016-10-24T02:32:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: Created page with &amp;quot;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Similar outfit &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Am I the only one who noticed the carjacker is wearing Jack&amp;#039;s outfit from &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Transformers Prime &amp;#039;&amp;#039;? Femtransfan&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Similar outfit &#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
Am I the only one who noticed the carjacker is wearing Jack&#039;s outfit from &#039;&#039;Transformers Prime &#039;&#039;? Femtransfan&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Femtransfan&amp;diff=1138494</id>
		<title>User:Femtransfan</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Femtransfan&amp;diff=1138494"/>
		<updated>2016-10-23T03:01:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Hi, I&#039;m femtransfan. I&#039;m a huge transformers fan. My dad took me, his friend &amp;amp; his daughter to see Michal Bays &#039;&#039;Transformes&#039;&#039; when I was 10 or 9. I watched &#039;&#039;Transformers Animated&#039;&#039; for awhile (&amp;amp; by a while, I mean 7 episodes). When I was channel surfing when I saw &#039;&#039;Transformers Prime&#039;&#039;, episode 8, Con Job.&lt;br /&gt;
I also have Aspergers syndrome.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have a tendency to chat about what I think happens in the episodes and movies I see and when I have a question, I ask it. Sorry if it&#039;s an issue. I have a deviantart account of the same name and I&#039;ll try to keep it there. If anyone else has a deviantart account, maybe we can chat there.🙂&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Need_for_Speed&amp;diff=1129309</id>
		<title>Talk:The Need for Speed</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Need_for_Speed&amp;diff=1129309"/>
		<updated>2016-09-17T14:15:42Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I&#039;m curious as to what was so mean that he wrote.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 10:15, 17 September 2016 (EDT)femtransfan&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Need_for_Speed&amp;diff=1129308</id>
		<title>Talk:The Need for Speed</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Need_for_Speed&amp;diff=1129308"/>
		<updated>2016-09-17T14:15:02Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: What did Bounce write?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I&#039;m curious as to what was so mean that he wrote.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Need_for_Speed&amp;diff=1129306</id>
		<title>Talk:The Need for Speed</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Need_for_Speed&amp;diff=1129306"/>
		<updated>2016-09-17T14:13:38Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: Created page with &amp;quot;What did Bounce write?&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;What did Bounce write?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Endangered_Species&amp;diff=972753</id>
		<title>Talk:Endangered Species</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Endangered_Species&amp;diff=972753"/>
		<updated>2015-05-24T13:32:53Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* The real amount of time before a species is extinct. */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;===Early Airdate===&lt;br /&gt;
Did this episode came early on the internet or something? [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 20:13, 21 May 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, it was put up on iTunes, Amazon, etc, apparently instead of the episode that actually aired last weekend. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:44, 21 May 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh wow, that explains it. Though it concerns about the new episodes in the coming weeks airing before on Discovery Family, [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 20:13, 21 May 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The real amount of time before a species is extinct. ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Dani said that the woodpeckers hadn&#039;t been seen for 40 years, but in reality it&#039;s 50 years before it&#039;s officially extinct. Until it&#039;s been 50 years they would just be elusive.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Road_Trip&amp;diff=859950</id>
		<title>Talk:Road Trip</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Road_Trip&amp;diff=859950"/>
		<updated>2014-03-09T03:51:30Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: Created page with &amp;quot;CGI  Did anyone else notice the new CGI in the show? Take Blades in his alt mode, for example because that seems to most likely to notice it. --femtransfan&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;CGI&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Did anyone else notice the new CGI in the show? Take Blades in his alt mode, for example because that seems to most likely to notice it. --femtransfan&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Predacons_Rising_(Prime)&amp;diff=830824</id>
		<title>Talk:Predacons Rising (Prime)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Predacons_Rising_(Prime)&amp;diff=830824"/>
		<updated>2013-10-09T01:37:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Did Optamus die before he jumped? */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Wouldn&#039;t this just be at Predacons Rising (Prime)? We don&#039;t include the cartoon name for the Beast Wars II movie. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:44, 23 March 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Ok, gimme a sec and I&#039;ll get right on that. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Use this!&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 10:11, 23 March 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::This should be disambiggened with the toyline too, right?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:20, 5 June 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
== Plot ==&lt;br /&gt;
According to a very reliable source, Unicron takes over Megatrons body and trys to conquer cybertron forcing the autobots and predacons to make an alliance. If you wondering how unicron gets awakened, think about the [[Dark Star Saber|hunge shard of dark energon that fell off the omega lock]]. When that lands on earth it will cause a chain reaction. If some pros want to put any of this on the page be my guest, but &#039;&#039;I&#039;&#039; cannot find the right words...does anyone want to know what the reliable source is?[[User:Shado prime|--Shado Prime]] 10:44, 29 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes, the fandom&#039;s been aware of that DVD synopsis for a while now. However, considering it has large spoilers for &#039;Deadlock&#039;, which only aired a few days ago, we should probably hold off adding it to this page for a little while longer. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 11:12, 29 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::That is a most logical conclusion. Thats why i put it on the talk page. Understood. One week perhaps? [[User:Shado prime|--Shado Prime]] 12:00, 29 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
If anything, I say this is to do with the Predacons.  I guess this takes place after the events of [[Deadlock]].  Can anyone say, &amp;quot;The seeds of the future lie burried in the past?&amp;quot; [[User:Legacyman]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Thank you Captian Obvious! Not name-calling but that was a little, no, really redundant^^^^ [[User:Shado prime|--Shado Prime]] 18:20, 2 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Uh, that probably isn&#039;t the most tactful of phrases. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 18:44, 2 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Just a heads up ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The movie has been leaked. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] 06:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:For the love of weasels. We should lock this page down, maybe? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:30, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah. Cause if we don&#039;t, it&#039;s going to be one hell of an edit war. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 11:26, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
What are we waiting for, why not update the description? [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 12:42, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:We don&#039;t do leaks. We wait for the scheduled date. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 12:44, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh. But why? {{unsigned|SoundWave}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s a policy. You wouldn&#039;t want to go around ruining something that they haven&#039;t seen yet. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 12:48, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Additionally, TFWiki doesn&#039;t condone the illegal distribution of copyrighted material. Same way we don&#039;t fill out toy entries based on stolen factory samples, and so on. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 12:49, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::That too. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 12:51, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Starscream&#039;s Fate ==&lt;br /&gt;
One thing I didn&#039;t get was Starscream killed by the Predacons? It seemed rather ambiguous if you ask me.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Dean3|Dean3]] 00:13, 7 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:That&#039;s why the write-ups are being deliberately vague about the &amp;quot;settling old scores&amp;quot; part. Just to be on the safe side, we only take a definite stance when the fiction is unambiguous about it. --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 00:27, 7 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, the ambiguity was pretty much the point. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:20, 7 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Predacon Terrorcon article? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Are we going to create a new article for Predacon Terrorcons? [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 23:07, 7 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t think that&#039;s necessary, myself. It&#039;s not like they&#039;re significantly different to Terrorcons made from other Transformers. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:19, 7 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Did Optamus die before he jumped? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Okay, call me a weirdo, but hear me out. When Prime put the All Spark in his, thus defeating Unicron, he theoretically died..., of course, some of you may argue, but he couldn&#039;t remove the All Spark from the Matrix and his spark, theoretically making him one with the All Spark.... So, he theoretically, died before he jumped. Go ahead, argue.[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] 21:37, 8 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Predacons_Rising_(Prime)&amp;diff=830823</id>
		<title>Talk:Predacons Rising (Prime)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Predacons_Rising_(Prime)&amp;diff=830823"/>
		<updated>2013-10-09T01:36:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Did Optamus die before he jumped? */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Wouldn&#039;t this just be at Predacons Rising (Prime)? We don&#039;t include the cartoon name for the Beast Wars II movie. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:44, 23 March 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Ok, gimme a sec and I&#039;ll get right on that. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Use this!&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 10:11, 23 March 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::This should be disambiggened with the toyline too, right?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:20, 5 June 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
== Plot ==&lt;br /&gt;
According to a very reliable source, Unicron takes over Megatrons body and trys to conquer cybertron forcing the autobots and predacons to make an alliance. If you wondering how unicron gets awakened, think about the [[Dark Star Saber|hunge shard of dark energon that fell off the omega lock]]. When that lands on earth it will cause a chain reaction. If some pros want to put any of this on the page be my guest, but &#039;&#039;I&#039;&#039; cannot find the right words...does anyone want to know what the reliable source is?[[User:Shado prime|--Shado Prime]] 10:44, 29 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes, the fandom&#039;s been aware of that DVD synopsis for a while now. However, considering it has large spoilers for &#039;Deadlock&#039;, which only aired a few days ago, we should probably hold off adding it to this page for a little while longer. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 11:12, 29 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::That is a most logical conclusion. Thats why i put it on the talk page. Understood. One week perhaps? [[User:Shado prime|--Shado Prime]] 12:00, 29 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
If anything, I say this is to do with the Predacons.  I guess this takes place after the events of [[Deadlock]].  Can anyone say, &amp;quot;The seeds of the future lie burried in the past?&amp;quot; [[User:Legacyman]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Thank you Captian Obvious! Not name-calling but that was a little, no, really redundant^^^^ [[User:Shado prime|--Shado Prime]] 18:20, 2 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Uh, that probably isn&#039;t the most tactful of phrases. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 18:44, 2 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Just a heads up ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The movie has been leaked. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] 06:13, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:For the love of weasels. We should lock this page down, maybe? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:30, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah. Cause if we don&#039;t, it&#039;s going to be one hell of an edit war. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 11:26, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
What are we waiting for, why not update the description? [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 12:42, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:We don&#039;t do leaks. We wait for the scheduled date. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 12:44, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh. But why? {{unsigned|SoundWave}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s a policy. You wouldn&#039;t want to go around ruining something that they haven&#039;t seen yet. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 12:48, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Additionally, TFWiki doesn&#039;t condone the illegal distribution of copyrighted material. Same way we don&#039;t fill out toy entries based on stolen factory samples, and so on. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 12:49, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::That too. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 12:51, 14 September 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Starscream&#039;s Fate ==&lt;br /&gt;
One thing I didn&#039;t get was Starscream killed by the Predacons? It seemed rather ambiguous if you ask me.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Dean3|Dean3]] 00:13, 7 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:That&#039;s why the write-ups are being deliberately vague about the &amp;quot;settling old scores&amp;quot; part. Just to be on the safe side, we only take a definite stance when the fiction is unambiguous about it. --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 00:27, 7 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, the ambiguity was pretty much the point. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:20, 7 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Predacon Terrorcon article? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we going to create a new article for Predacon Terrorcons? [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 23:07, 7 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t think that&#039;s necessary, myself. It&#039;s not like they&#039;re significantly different to Terrorcons made from other Transformers. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:19, 7 October 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Did Optamus die before he jumped? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, call me a weirdo, but hear me out. When Prime put the All Spark in his, thus defeating Unicron, he theoretically died..., of course, some of you may argue, but he couldn&#039;t remove the All Spark from the Matrix and his spark, theoretically making him one with the All Spark.... So, he theoretically, died before he jumped. Go ahead, argue.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;I just removed a link from this page as it linked to some website about medieval weapons. That&#039;s cool, right? [[User:Barutazaru|Thew]] 17:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It turns out their old domain expired and went up for sale, which is why you saw the weird placeholder ads.  A little Google searching (and experimenting with the old &amp;quot;index.html&amp;quot; standard front page suffix) quickly revealed the current URL, so I&#039;ve re-established the link.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Could&#039;ve sworn I was logged in... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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but this edit 12:11, 9 October 2009 199.90.28.195 (Talk) (1,175 bytes) (→Pre-Transformer lines:  Linking to relevant Transformers until someone can find more info on the companies/toylines) (undo) was me. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:08, 9 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Who created it? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m pretty sure we are all wondering this. What inspired him? Who was he? How old was he? Was he Japanese (duh, probably)? Was he even a he? Yeah, that last one was probably stupid...[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] 20:48, 17 August 2013 (EDT) femtransfan&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;This is the page for the &#039;&#039;&#039;TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions&#039;&#039;&#039; entries. The rules are as follows:&lt;br /&gt;
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#You must pick your top five &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; characters, from any era. They must actually &#039;&#039;&#039;be&#039;&#039;&#039; Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, non-Transformer robots, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will &#039;&#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039;&#039; be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.&lt;br /&gt;
#Take your top five list and &#039;&#039;&#039;put it in alphabetical order&#039;&#039;&#039;. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character&#039;s franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results. &lt;br /&gt;
#You &#039;&#039;&#039;cannot&#039;&#039;&#039; vote for a specific version of &#039;&#039;&#039;Bumblebee, Dinobot, Grimlock, Ironhide, Jazz, Megatron, Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, Waspinator, or Wheeljack.&#039;&#039;&#039; They&#039;ve already been inducted!&lt;br /&gt;
#However, &#039;&#039;&#039;you CAN vote&#039;&#039;&#039; for &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]&#039;&#039; [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] or [[Optimus Primal]]&#039;&#039;&#039;! Hasbro considers them separate!&lt;br /&gt;
#Only one entry per user.&lt;br /&gt;
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Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bulkhead, Emirate Xaaron, Side Swipe, Terrorsaur (BW), X-Brawn --(four tildes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Poll entry period ends at 4pm on &#039;&#039;&#039;[[May 31]]st, 2013&#039;&#039;&#039;. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Poll entries==&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]], [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Chromedome, Fortress Maximus, Omega Supreme, Rewind --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:35, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Barricade, Devastator, Ravage, Sideways, Ultra Magnus -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:47, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Galvatron, Megatron (BW), Overlord, Sky-Byte, Unicron [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] 12:50, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bulkhead, Ratbat, Ravage, Rhinox, Wreck-Gar [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 12:56, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Blurr, BW Megatron, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Whirl [[User:Fireshot|Fireshot]] 12:59, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bruticus, Devastator, Primus, Rattrap, Unicron -[[User:Combaticons4ever|Combaticons4ever]] 13:17, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Hot Shot, Menasor, Springer, Tarantulas, Tracks [[User:Phantom_Dusclops&#039;92|Phantom Dusclops&#039;92]] 13:29, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Botanica, Fortress Maximus, Swindle, Swoop, Ultra Magnus - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee (Prime)]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron (Beast Wars)]], [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage (Beast Wars)]], [[Rattrap]], [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle (Animated/G1)]] --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Hound, Ratbat, Sideswipe, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 13:50, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Impactor, Scrounge, Straxus, Ultra Magnus, Venom --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 13:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Megatron (BW), Rodimus Prime --[[User:Anguirus|Anguirus]] 14:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*Bruticus, Devastator, Lugnut, Megatron (BW), Tarantulas -- [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 14:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Lugnut, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Swerve, Tarantulas -- [[User:General Tekno|General Tekno]] 14:26, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Buzzsaw, Nightbeat, Prowl, Tarantulas, Thunderwing -- --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 14:30, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Cyclonus, Prowl, Scorponok, Sunstreaker, Swindle - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Drift, Injector, Knock-Out (Prime), Megatron (BW), Tarantulas --[[User:EvoChanger|EvoChanger]] 14:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Chromedome, Rodimus, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Trixter|Trixter]] 14:41, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Hot Shot, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Amadeus Windfall|Amadeus Windfall]] 14:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Prowl, Rodimus, Rung. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:54, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Astrotrain, Cosmos, Cyclonus, Omega Supreme, Ultra Magnus --([[User:Pinecronix|Pinecronix]] 14:57, 24 May 2013 (EDT))&lt;br /&gt;
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*Demolishor (Armada), Hot Shot (Armada), Override (Cybertron), Red Alert (Armada), Sideways (Armada).  --[[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] 15:01, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Barricade, Devastator, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:06, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Devastator, Omega Supreme, Ravage, Rodimus -- [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 15:09, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Omega Supreme, Prowl, Swindle, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 15:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Cosmos, Prowl, Sky-Byte, Tarantulas, Warpath --[[User:Sockie|Sockie]] 15:16, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Cyclonus, Deszaras, Powered Convoy, Star Saber -- [[User:S-NFS|S-NFS]] 23:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Cyclonus, Prowl, Sideways, Swoop, Ultra Magnus --[[User:AutoUIMagnus299|AutoUi299]] 15:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee (G1), Blades (G1), Punch, Side Burn (RID), Smokescreen (G1) [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 16:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Ironfist, Rung, Sari Sumdac, Silverbolt (BW), Teaspoon -- [[User:JediFlaherty|JediFlaherty]] 16:03, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Metroplex, Sky-Byte, Wreck-Gar --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:05, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Bulkhead, Omega Supreme, Overlord, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:11, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Ironfist, Nightbeat, Smokescreen, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Russellestate|Russellestate]] 16:07, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Impactor, Prowl, Ratbat, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:MarkMontag|MarkMontag]] 16:25, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Bulkhead, Sideswipe, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Use this!&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 17:03, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Deathsaurus, Megatron (BW), Skywarp, Swindle, Thundercracker -- [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 17:45, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Prowl, Sky-Byte --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:47, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Beast Megatron, Ratbat, Ravage --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:54, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Devastator, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Swindle, Wreck-Gar --[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 17:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Devastator, Hot Shot, Megatron(BW), Ravage, Sky-Byte -- [[User:Shellspark|Shellspark]] 18:01, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Knock Out, Ravage, Sky-Byte, Swindle -- [[User:Strangefour|Strangefour]] 18:18, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Airazor, Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Rattrap, Terrorsaur -- [[User:Bumblevivisector|Bumblevivisector]] 18:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Lugnut, Sky Byte -- [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 18:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Prowl, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:40, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee (Prime)]], [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron (Beast Wars)]], [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]], [[Rattrap]]--[[User:Damo|Damo]] 18:46, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Cheetor, Ginrai, Megatron (Beast Era), Optimus Primal, Thunderwing --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee (Prime),Blitzwing(Animated),Bulkhead (Prime), Megatron (BW),Rihnox (BW)--[[User:Venowtron|Venowtron]] 18:19, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Devastator, Megatron (BW), Swindle, Ultra Magnus --[[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] 19:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Blitzwing, Devastator, Predaking, Sky-Byte --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] 19:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Bulkhead, Hot Shot, Jetfire, Prowl [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Red Alert (g1), Rewind, Thunderwing, Ultra Magnus--[[User:Autobot Hunter|Autobot Hunter]] 20:10, 24 May 2013 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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*Bulkhead, Cheetor, Optimus Primal, Sentinel Prime, Wreck-Gar.  [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:13, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Bulkhead, Prowl, Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ketchup|Ketchup]] 20:16, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Blitzwing, Jetfire, Prowl --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:21, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Ironfist, Nightbeat, Skids, Smokescreen, Thundercracker --[[User:Hhall3|Hhall3]] 19:39, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*G1 Hot Spot, G1 Quickmix, G1 Rodimus Prime, G1 Searchlight, G1 Silverbolt - [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 21:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee (Prime), Bulkhead, Hound, Jetfire (G1), Ultra Magnus --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:38, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Jetfire, Megatron (BW), Scorponok, Skids -- [[User:Chip|Chip]] 22:03, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bulkhead, Devastator, Megatron (BW), Ratbat, Ultra Magnus - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 22:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Megatronus Prime/The Fallen, Prima, Primus, Unicron, Thunderwing -- [[User:Primus Dave|Primus Dave]] 22:42, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Omega Supreme, Skywarp, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 23:26, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Broadside, Bulkhead, Fortress Maximus, Megatron (BW), Omega Supreme --[[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 23:40, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bulkhead, Fortress Maximus, Ginrai, Star Saber, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ookalf|Ookalf]] 00:20, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Ravage, Ultra Magnus  --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:33, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Megatron (BW), Nemesis Prime, Omega Supreme, Optimus Primal, Vector Prime --[[user:Dinobot III|Dinobot III]] 01:16, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Bruticus, Devestator, Galvatron, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus, --[[user:Japanasaurus Rex|Japanasaurus Rex]] 02:57 24 May 2013 (EDIT) &lt;br /&gt;
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* Brawl, Bruticus, Prowl, Rotorstorm, Sixshot --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 04:10, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Arcee, Kickback, Omega Supreme, Shrapnel, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ultra Magnus 506|Ultra Magnus 506]] 07:45, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Blackarachnia, Chromedome, Megatron (BW), Ravage, Rewind --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 07:50, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Blitzwing (Animated), Ironfist, Straxus, Ultra Magnus, Wreck-Gar (Animated) -- [[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 08:04, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Blaster, Fortress Maximus, Impactor, Springer, Ultra Magnus [[User:Mister Jazzz|Mister Jazz]] 08:06, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Arcee, Bulkhead, Jetfire, Prowl, Springer [[User:Gryllid|Gryllid]] 08:45, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Drift, Ironfist, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal [[User:Blackjack|Blackjack]] 10:42, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Blaster, Megatron (BW), Rattrap, Red Alert, Wreck-Gar [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 11:08, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Blaster, Devastator, Springer, Swindle, Ultra Magnus [[User:Spark Mandrill|Spark Mandrill]] 11:41, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bruticus, Cheetor, Devastator -- [[User:Chihooaher|Chihooaher]] 11:42, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Blaster, Bludgeon, Cyclonus (G1), Kup, Ultra Magnus--[[User:Starscream0625|Starscream0625]] 11:45, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Arcee (Prime), Blackarachnia, Blitzwing, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 13:21, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Megatron (BW), Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Caius|Caius]] 14:26, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways (Multiversal Singularity?)]], [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Unicron]] --[[User:AlephTrion|AlephTrion]] 14:38, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Demolishor, Frenzy, Laserbeak, Ravage, Sideways --[[User:Zorion|Zorion]] 22:46, 25 May 2013 (MSK)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus --([[User:Barricade64|Barricade64]] 14:51, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Overlord (G1), Ravage, Seaspray, Unicron, Wreck-gar)-- ([[User:Geminia999|Geminia999]] 15:15, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Hot Rod (G1), Lugnut (Animated), Megatron (BW), Sky Byte (RID), Ultra Magnus (G1) --[[User:Blackout_501st|Blackout_501st]] 16:13. 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Blackarachnia, Galvatron, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime, Hot Shot, Unicron --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:04, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Jetfire, Kup, Overlord, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Astrakhan|Astrakhan]] 17:46, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Astrotrain, Cheetor, Silverbolt (BW), Springer, Swindler (Micromaster Delorean) --[[User:Wheeljack539|Wheeljack539]] 18:12, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Rodimus Prime --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 19:38, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Nightbeat, Overlord, Sky-Byte --[[User:TrentTroop|TrentTroop]] 20:00, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Megatron (BW)]], [[Metroplex]], [[Omega Supreme]], [[Optimus Primal]], [[Unicron]] --[[User:IronVenom|IronVenom]] 20:19, 25 May 2013 (EDIT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Arcee, Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Ravage --[[User:Cr85747|Cr85747]] 22:25, 25 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Jetfire, Nemis Prime, Rampage (BW), Ravage, Sunstorm --[[User:KWAC|KWAC]] 20:13 May 25 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Lockdown, Ratbat, Rattrap, Sideways, Sky-Byte --[[User:Quickstrike|Quickstrike]] 01:18, 26 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Bludgeon, Bugbite, Jhiaxus, Ultra Magnus, Whirl --[[User:Arborday|Arborday]] 01:27, 26 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Prowl, Ravage, Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, Thundercracker -- [[User:RagdollDark|Dark]] 09:44, 26 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Acid Storm, Air Raid, Brawl, Sky Lynx, Superion -- [[User:Movie09|Movie09]] 12:44, 26 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Bludgeon, Cyclonus, Galvatron, Ultra Magnus, Whirl -- [[User: OptimalPrime|OptimalPrime]] 9:46, 26 May (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Chromedome, Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus -- [[User: Charles RB|Charles RB]] 00:30, 27 May (GMT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Bruticus, Jetfire, Reflector, Sky Lynx, Windcharger -- [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:02, 26 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Cyclonus (G1), Lugnut, Megatron (Beast Wars), Swerve (G1), Ultra Magnus (G1) --[[User:Bullycon|Bullycon]] 20:58, 26 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Omega Supreme, Ratbat, Springer, Ultra Magnus, Whirl --[[User:transfan20|transfan200]] 22:02, 26 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Botanica (BW), Impactor, Megatron (BW), Mirage (G1), Whirl --[[User: BScorpinok75 | BScorpinok75]] 22:35, 26 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Blitzwing, Chromedome, Overlord, Rattrap, Whirl --[[User:SamuraiMarmoset | SamuraiMarmoset]] 24:12, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Arcee, Prowl, Springer, Swerve, Rumble --[[User:Ender | Ender]]&lt;br /&gt;
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* Arcee, Mirage, Overlord, Prowl, Springer -- [[User:Cat|Cat]] 11:44, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Jetfire (Armada), Megatron (Beast Wars), Metroplex, Prowl, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Cradok|Cradok]] 12:53, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Megatron (Beast Wars), Prowl, Ratbat, Swerve, Whirl -- [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 13:13, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Arcee, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime, Prowl, Rattrap, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 13:17, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Prowl, Sky-Byte -- [[User:AwesomeAutobot|AwesomeAutobot]] 13:28, 27 May 2013 (EDIT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Bulkhead, Devastator, First Aid, Impactor, Ratbat -- [[User:Excise|Excise]] 13:35, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Beast Wars Megatron, Hot Rod/imus, Skywarp, Springer, Thundercracker -- [[User:PsychoAndy|PsychoAndy]] 14:32, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Blaster, [[Turbofire|Hotrider]], Nightbeat, Rattrap, Springer -- [[User:Danja|Danja]] 16:20, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Cyclonus, Devastator, Jetfire, Sunstorm, Swindle -- [[User:Steftimusprime14|Steftimusprime14]] 16:38, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Cyclonus, Megatron (BW), Prowl, Ratbat, Skywarp -- [[User:EShadowP|EShadowP]] 21:59, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Kup, Prowl, Rumble, Sunstreaker, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Newsy891|Newsy891]] 22:04, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Perceptor, Prowl, Red Alert, Sunstreaker, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Mechabot|Mechabot]] 22:34, 27 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Erector, Kranix, Rattrap, Rumble, Sky Lynx -- [[User:Siccoyote|Siccoyote]] 01:37, 28 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rampage (BW) Rattrap, Thunderwing -- [[User:Jupr1|Jupr1]] 08:43, 28 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Metroplex, Prowl, Skywarp, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Shado prime|-Shado Prime]] 12:14, 28 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Alpha Trion, Cyclonus, Perceptor, Scorponok, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 12:54, 28 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* Ultra Magnus, Scorponok, Cyclonus, Scourge, Omega Supreme -- [[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:49, 28 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Blades, Hot Shot, Lugnut, Swerve, Thundercracker -- [[User:Wasp-shot23|Wasp-shot23]] 16:28, 28 May 2013 &lt;br /&gt;
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*Devastator, Omega Supreme, Prowl, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Eaglewings1788|Eaglewings1788]] 18:49, 28 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bulkhead (Animated), Lockdown, Megatron (BW), Prowl (Animated), Skybyte [[User:Sharpfinger|Sharpfinger]] 21:07, 28 May 2013 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
Arcee (Prime), Blackarachnia, Elita One, Predaking, Smokesceen -- Femtransfan&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!-- Remember to put your nominations in alphabetical order! --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: TFWiki.net]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Transmutate_(episode)&amp;diff=802742</id>
		<title>Talk:Transmutate (episode)</title>
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		<updated>2013-05-18T22:33:31Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Autistic Transformer? */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Continuity error==&lt;br /&gt;
The continuity error notes that Rampage says Transmutate&#039;s name before Transmutate gives it. This is true, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a continuity error. Rampage says that Transmutate is part transmetal and part mutant, calling it &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;a&#039;&#039; Transmutate.&amp;quot; This would seem to indicate that the term either already existed, or at the very least was invented by Rampage as a general term for a mutant/transmetal form, rather than an actual name he wanted to give Transmutate (especially since immediately after he gives this description, he asks for her (?) name). And either way, whether (as it seems) he was trying to give a general descriptive term to her form, or (as it does not, to me, seem) he was actually giving her a name, it seems quite likely that when Megatron later asks what her name is, she says &amp;quot;Trasmutate&amp;quot; &#039;&#039;because&#039;&#039; Rampage had used the term in reference to her ealier. So is this a continuity error? {{unsigned|Blazemane|14:55, 30 April 2010}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Good point.  Probably worth changing, in that case.&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh, and don&#039;t forget to sign your Talk page posts with four tildes (&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;~~~~&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;) or by using the signature button above the editing window. --[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:12, 30 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh, I definitely forgot. Thanks.[[User:Blazemane|Blazemane]] 15:24, 30 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I always took it as Rampage inventing the term, and then Transmutate taking it for his name, since that&#039;s the first thing he&#039;d been called. It&#039;s sort of like Wreck-Gar initially calling himself &#039;worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage&#039;, only with less comedic effect. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:29, 30 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
It is a continuity error. There is no ambiguity about this. Rampage uses the term Transmutate before he plainly invents it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:46, 30 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah.  His &amp;quot;naming&amp;quot; dialogue was slow, thoughtful, and figuring-out, with his tone of voice rising at &amp;quot;a trans-mutate!&amp;quot; to imply novelty and discovery.  He even says &amp;quot;hmmmmm&amp;quot;.  If he&#039;d really come up with it 5 minutes earlier the first time he said it, he wouldn&#039;t have bothered mentally sketching out and justifying it at such length the second time.  This episode is notorious for continuity errors, btw.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:06, 30 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh... the issue here is Rampage&#039;s own timing. And yeah, I just looked through the episode- he does say &amp;quot;Transmutate, do not speak. None shall hurt you know.&amp;quot; You&#039;re both quite right[[User:Blazemane|Blazemane]] 02:26, 31 May 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Autistic Transformer? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To me Transmutate resembles a person with low-functioning autism. That&#039;s sorta a real world reference.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Project_Predacon&amp;diff=802399</id>
		<title>Talk:Project Predacon</title>
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		<updated>2013-05-18T02:12:06Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: Created page with &amp;quot;Is anyone else confused about there being a predacon&amp;#039;s &amp;#039;&amp;#039;skull&amp;#039;&amp;#039; on earth? I mean, they&amp;#039;re made of metal, right?&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Is anyone else confused about there being a predacon&#039;s &#039;&#039;skull&#039;&#039; on earth? I mean, they&#039;re made of metal, right?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Prey_(episode)&amp;diff=800089</id>
		<title>Talk:Prey (episode)</title>
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		<updated>2013-05-04T01:34:41Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Embryology? */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== quote  ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I know this might be a spoiler but i might have a quote from this episode : &lt;br /&gt;
the quote is when Smokescreen is inside the chamber room where the forge is and he says to the stasised Airachnid that he &amp;quot;is not afraid of he and then he calls her &amp;quot; hideous&amp;quot; should some one please put this on please and thanx  - user Beeninja2&lt;br /&gt;
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==Reference==&lt;br /&gt;
....is.... is Optimus&#039;s quote really a reference to that Star Trek line even though it&#039;s completely different in every way?  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:23, 6 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I think if they&#039;d intended to reference the Star Trek line, they&#039;d&#039;ve, y&#039;know, used the Star Trek line. It&#039;s not even a &#039;sentience is the guarantor of autonomy&#039;-style play on the Star Trek line&#039;s wording, it&#039;s just a sentence that expresses the same idea. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 04:37, 6 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== My Quote ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Who edited my quote!? --[[User:Awesomenessprime|Awesomenessprime]] 17:28, 17 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Prey&amp;amp;action=history --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:43, 17 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:You&#039;re complaining that somebody changed capitalisation to italicisation? This is a wiki, the stuff you write will inevitably get changed in some way at some point. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 18:03, 17 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Embryology? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When Shockwave says that Predaking was bred in a lab he references embryology, the study of fetal development.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Title_sequence&amp;diff=799396</id>
		<title>Talk:Title sequence</title>
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		<updated>2013-05-01T02:10:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Transformers Prime opening de ja veu */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;We&#039;re gonna need an article for the closing sequences/endings/end credits. If only to match up with the title sequence/openings, not to mention the various [[Japanese themes|songs]] that are used in the end credits. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 07:52, 29 September 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== EVERY Japanese title sequence ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As far as I can tell, at least.&lt;br /&gt;
* FSRLTF 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_G-8qZrMaA&lt;br /&gt;
* FSRLTF 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_clwBr24rso&lt;br /&gt;
* Scramble City Hatsudō Hen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8l-f65RDQg&lt;br /&gt;
* FSRLTF2010 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21p48QqU9Ng&lt;br /&gt;
* The Headmasters 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nxJkXN5HCY&lt;br /&gt;
* The Headmasters 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E47Dw1PPZLo&lt;br /&gt;
* Masterforce 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhfLeZtQ5Hk&lt;br /&gt;
* Masterforce 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYbU6F162U&lt;br /&gt;
* Victory - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eoUcP9z7Ms&lt;br /&gt;
* Omni Productions dub - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkhQ0eAg1j8&lt;br /&gt;
* Zone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5osnBJcbxM&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bXiYrPXTqw&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars II 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4PkkDz5iRk&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars II 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRZ0HcYaShU&lt;br /&gt;
* Lio Convoy Kiki Ippatsu! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;amp;v=_DqIwUO4bFU#t=185s (3:05-4:33)&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars Neo 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-19SZ0L_is&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars Neo 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYLT9qzVFs&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars Metals 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIqKsbr7xk4&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars Metals 1 (singalong version) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cM8rG_Jr3E&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars Metals 1 (video game) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va9calN60aY&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars Metals 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8i4iqvwQCM&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars Metals 2 (singalong version) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1GvvYKKlGs&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars Metals: Convoy Dai Henshin! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPwCiGRQFQ8 (0:07-3:31)&lt;br /&gt;
* Car Robots 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUPeMCo3RN0&lt;br /&gt;
* Car Robots 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfDP8SvUpAI&lt;br /&gt;
* Micron Densetsu 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JADt85HEL-4&lt;br /&gt;
* Micron Densetsu 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4oQFTosAoU&lt;br /&gt;
* Super Link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bE7BFB2Wwc&lt;br /&gt;
* Beast Wars Returns - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcE2tdNmfaI (0:00-0:31)&lt;br /&gt;
* Galaxy Force 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcvVuXmS3h8&lt;br /&gt;
* Galaxy Force 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcUdcRuZgR0&lt;br /&gt;
* Galaxy Force 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHq6G9Y6Qcc&lt;br /&gt;
* Galaxy Force 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd3u0Vei6M8&lt;br /&gt;
* Galaxy Force 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90AIiO-VwE4&lt;br /&gt;
* Galaxy Force 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_5ALqRwmuA&lt;br /&gt;
* Galaxy Force 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L7cFJlEQVU&lt;br /&gt;
* Galaxy Force 8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZUlaAu-4b4&lt;br /&gt;
* Galaxy Force 9 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHwAysDpd-I&lt;br /&gt;
* Animated 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYQxl4qFGp4&lt;br /&gt;
* Animated 1 (w/ sound effects) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8GDArLUf2E&lt;br /&gt;
* Animated 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRF045O98gM&lt;br /&gt;
* Animated 2 (singalong version) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQA3QUO-eY&lt;br /&gt;
This should help. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:18, 19 October 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Transformers Prime opening de ja veu ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You know, Transformers Prime&#039;s opening has been the same for the &#039;&#039;past 3 seasons.&#039;&#039;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Starscream_(WFC)&amp;diff=797946</id>
		<title>Talk:Starscream (WFC)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Starscream_(WFC)&amp;diff=797946"/>
		<updated>2013-04-25T01:59:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Cockpit chest */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;The soldiers on Starscream&#039;s station were all Autobots. One would assume &amp;quot;Autobot&amp;quot; to be the default faction of all Transformers prior to Megatron&#039;s rebellion. Additionally, Jetfire names Starscream and his goons as &amp;quot;traitors&amp;quot; and that the {Autobot leader} Zeta Prime would hear of this betrayal. Wouldn&#039;t that make Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp Autobots originally? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:46, 3 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The description for the achievement on that level (the one where you have to kill all but one prisoner) refers to the prisoners as neutrals.  Plus, their funky Tron lines are yellow, while Autobots are red and Decepticons are purple. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:48, 3 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ahh, I didn&#039;t note the yellow lights. My mistake. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:57, 3 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It might still be worth noting on the [[Neutral]] page. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:24, 3 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Part of the Ambush/Bodyguard? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Reading back through Exodus: Starscream was not really a part of the attack on the Casino, as he&#039;s surprised and puzzled by some of what&#039;s happening, though he clearly knewn something was up, with a planned meeting with Megatron after he has secured the old Prime somewhere &amp;quot;safe&amp;quot;. Basically, like in much of the book, he&#039;s skirting the line, leaving his options open to join either side. My question though, it seems a bit like he might have been there &amp;quot;officially&amp;quot; to guard the Prime. Like a lot in Exodus it&#039;s a bit vague though. Did anyone else get the vibe that he was specifically there with Sentinel as a bodyguard? (At least from Sentinel&#039;s point of view). --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:43, 19 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I definitely got the impression he was there to guard Sentinel Prime. Why else would the Prime have gone with him?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 19:49, 19 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Pretty much answered iself later in the chapter. Starscream was definately there as sentinel&#039;s bodyguard, and apparently had worked as such for a good while before. We need to add that to the article.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:52, 19 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I have done it, but like all the Decepticons&#039; motives in &#039;&#039;Exodus&#039;&#039; it is meant to be ambigious because these are inherently untrustworthy characters. Starscream may well have been aware of the attack and used it as the opportunity to deliver Sentinel to Kaon, with Sentinel&#039;s cowardice at Altihex only reinforcing his motive. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 08:20, 1 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Michael Jackson ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For anyone who&#039;s looked at the Amazon preview of the &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039; comic, it appears just as Dark Energon turned Megatron into a [http://www.council-of-elrond.com/castdb/ringwraith/ringwraith2.jpg Wraith], Starscream has turned into [[Michael Jackson]]. We need to have every caption of him in the show to tribute Wacko Jacko in some way. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 07:03, 7 September 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Starscream Picture ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have a new picture for Starscream but I cannot upload it. Could someone help? Here is the link. http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/tf-prime-starscream-5.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:39, 30 November 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Contradiction ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Isn&#039;t it easily resolved as &amp;quot;He was a scientist, but isn&#039;t now&amp;quot;?[[Special:Contributions/12.53.10.226|12.53.10.226]] 08:51, 29 November 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The passage implied Starscream and Megatron had no scientific experience to understand that Dark Energon could be made by infecting regular Energon. Starscream seems like a scientist in &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039; so hopefully the contradiction will be put to bed soon. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 09:55, 29 November 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::That doesn&#039;t &amp;quot;put to bed&amp;quot; the contradictions present within the Exodus novel itself, which is what that note is about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:59, 29 November 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Picture ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I am having trouble uploading a good screenshot of Starscream. Would someone mind helping?[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 09:09, 4 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cockpit chest ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Is this the first Starscream to NOT have his vehicle mode cockpit and/or nose cone located on his robot mode chest or is it just me?&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:55 AM, 12 March 2011 A.D.&lt;br /&gt;
:Actually [[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]] Screamer&#039;s cockpit became his legs, see [[:Image:MWStarscream Toy.jpg|here]]. It&#039;s so obscure though I&#039;ll add it to the notes. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 10:59, 12 March 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[Starscream_%28G1%29/toys#Machine_Wars|Just you.]] Please don&#039;t, AT, we&#039;ve already REMOVED it from the notes before.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:00, 12 March 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
It, if you look closely enough, becomes his abdominal area.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Elite Guard? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
in Exodus, Starscream (along with Skywarp and Thundercracker ) served as sentinel Prime&#039;s bodyguards. In Aligned Continuity, The Elite Guard were defined as the bodyguards of the Prime and the Council. Does this mean that Starscream was on the elite guard?  (Note that Starscrem lead the Sky Command, and Elite Gaurdsmen were often seen in charge of such things in Animated Continuities. [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] 01:27, 20 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Eating Birds ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the live chat with Steve Blum and Jeff Kline yesterday, Steve Blum said that Starscream has swallowed a bird by accident while flying. Should that maybe be added to the notes? Or should it just be taken as a joke? --[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 16:25, 7 February 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;d take it as a joke, since Starscream apparently can&#039;t fly in robot mode in &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039;, and jets have no mouths. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 13:45, 4 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Leg fins ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve got the Japanese release of the FE Starscream toy, and the instructions don&#039;t mention the tiny little winglets that can be deployed from the back of his legs for slightly increased show accuracy. The Japanese instructions are usually better than the Hasbro ones for stuff like this, so I wanted to see if they were mentioned in those instructions before adding a note. [[User:LiamK|LiamK]] 16:22, 14 February 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:[http://www.unicron.com/tfitem/itemimage_view.php?mode=instructions&amp;amp;itemID=1994 No, they] [http://www.unicron.com/tfitem/itemimage_view.php?mode=instructions&amp;amp;itemID=1994&amp;amp;imageID=2571 were not], apparently. Nice find! [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 21:45, 14 February 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Voyager figure ==&lt;br /&gt;
Looks to me like the detailing on the weapon he comes with suggests it&#039;s a retooling of Prime&#039;s Powerizer gun.  The only difference seems to be the more &amp;quot;alien&amp;quot; gun barrel. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 13:50, 9 March 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, it isn&#039;t. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 13:39, 4 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neutral ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would just like to mention that Starscream is often kept in the &amp;quot;Decepticons&amp;quot; category on episode pages. Unless he rejoins them, remember to put him in &amp;quot;Other&amp;quot; first.&lt;br /&gt;
: You can be a Decepticon without being in Megatron&#039;s group.  I imagine Starscream still considers himself a Decepticon, regardless.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:54, 16 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, he did claim to be &amp;quot;no longer affiliated with that entity&amp;quot; in &amp;quot;Operation Bumblebee, Part 1&amp;quot;, when Silas called him a Decepticon. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:07, 16 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::1) It&#039;s Starscream.  He&#039;ll say anything, and does, if it gets him on someone&#039;s good side.  2) He&#039;s still got the Decepticon logo on his chest.  3) Airachnid is considered a Decepticon in &amp;quot;[[Predatory]],&amp;quot; even though she&#039;d been a free agent for however-long.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:27, 16 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobot ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Was Starscream an Autobot? He seemed to have a connection, as Jetfire angrily called him a &amp;quot;traitor.&amp;quot;--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 21:01, 31 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Starscream&#039;s Underwater == &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There isn&#039;t any ocean underneath Antarctica. Only on the out skirting ice shelves and there aren&#039;t any US bases there or any for that matter. Chances are Starscream was thrown into one of the many salt water sub-surface lakes under the surface of Antarctica. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vostok [1]] --[[Special:Contributions/50.136.104.227|50.136.104.227]] 09:52, 1 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Actually, McMurdo Base is right on the edge of the Ross Ice Shelf.  That said, it&#039;s also within sight of the unfrozen ocean too, which creates an entire other problem. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 21:01, 15 March 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Starscream&#039;s Cockpit ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I just found Starscream&#039;s cockpit.Can I put it on the Notes? And if I do, should I put a circle around it?&lt;br /&gt;
:You should probably just give it back to him. He&#039;s probably cold.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 01:11, 14 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Plane mode ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have seen tons of military planes before (for example, SR-71 blackbirds, F-22 eagles), but what is Starscream&#039;s? Yeah, I know, it&#039;s a military plane, but it&#039;s a single engine. If you go to a toy store &amp;amp; look at the military jets, they&#039;re mostly double engines &amp;amp; little to no single engines. So if anyone finds out, post it.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Starscream_(WFC)&amp;diff=797945</id>
		<title>Talk:Starscream (WFC)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Starscream_(WFC)&amp;diff=797945"/>
		<updated>2013-04-25T01:57:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Plane mode */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;The soldiers on Starscream&#039;s station were all Autobots. One would assume &amp;quot;Autobot&amp;quot; to be the default faction of all Transformers prior to Megatron&#039;s rebellion. Additionally, Jetfire names Starscream and his goons as &amp;quot;traitors&amp;quot; and that the {Autobot leader} Zeta Prime would hear of this betrayal. Wouldn&#039;t that make Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp Autobots originally? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:46, 3 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The description for the achievement on that level (the one where you have to kill all but one prisoner) refers to the prisoners as neutrals.  Plus, their funky Tron lines are yellow, while Autobots are red and Decepticons are purple. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:48, 3 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ahh, I didn&#039;t note the yellow lights. My mistake. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:57, 3 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It might still be worth noting on the [[Neutral]] page. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:24, 3 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Part of the Ambush/Bodyguard? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Reading back through Exodus: Starscream was not really a part of the attack on the Casino, as he&#039;s surprised and puzzled by some of what&#039;s happening, though he clearly knewn something was up, with a planned meeting with Megatron after he has secured the old Prime somewhere &amp;quot;safe&amp;quot;. Basically, like in much of the book, he&#039;s skirting the line, leaving his options open to join either side. My question though, it seems a bit like he might have been there &amp;quot;officially&amp;quot; to guard the Prime. Like a lot in Exodus it&#039;s a bit vague though. Did anyone else get the vibe that he was specifically there with Sentinel as a bodyguard? (At least from Sentinel&#039;s point of view). --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:43, 19 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I definitely got the impression he was there to guard Sentinel Prime. Why else would the Prime have gone with him?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 19:49, 19 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Pretty much answered iself later in the chapter. Starscream was definately there as sentinel&#039;s bodyguard, and apparently had worked as such for a good while before. We need to add that to the article.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:52, 19 July 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I have done it, but like all the Decepticons&#039; motives in &#039;&#039;Exodus&#039;&#039; it is meant to be ambigious because these are inherently untrustworthy characters. Starscream may well have been aware of the attack and used it as the opportunity to deliver Sentinel to Kaon, with Sentinel&#039;s cowardice at Altihex only reinforcing his motive. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 08:20, 1 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Michael Jackson ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For anyone who&#039;s looked at the Amazon preview of the &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039; comic, it appears just as Dark Energon turned Megatron into a [http://www.council-of-elrond.com/castdb/ringwraith/ringwraith2.jpg Wraith], Starscream has turned into [[Michael Jackson]]. We need to have every caption of him in the show to tribute Wacko Jacko in some way. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 07:03, 7 September 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Starscream Picture ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have a new picture for Starscream but I cannot upload it. Could someone help? Here is the link. http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/tf-prime-starscream-5.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:39, 30 November 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Contradiction ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Isn&#039;t it easily resolved as &amp;quot;He was a scientist, but isn&#039;t now&amp;quot;?[[Special:Contributions/12.53.10.226|12.53.10.226]] 08:51, 29 November 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:The passage implied Starscream and Megatron had no scientific experience to understand that Dark Energon could be made by infecting regular Energon. Starscream seems like a scientist in &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039; so hopefully the contradiction will be put to bed soon. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 09:55, 29 November 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::That doesn&#039;t &amp;quot;put to bed&amp;quot; the contradictions present within the Exodus novel itself, which is what that note is about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:59, 29 November 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Picture ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I am having trouble uploading a good screenshot of Starscream. Would someone mind helping?[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 09:09, 4 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Cockpit chest ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Is this the first Starscream to NOT have his vehicle mode cockpit and/or nose cone located on his robot mode chest or is it just me?&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:55 AM, 12 March 2011 A.D.&lt;br /&gt;
:Actually [[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]] Screamer&#039;s cockpit became his legs, see [[:Image:MWStarscream Toy.jpg|here]]. It&#039;s so obscure though I&#039;ll add it to the notes. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 10:59, 12 March 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[Starscream_%28G1%29/toys#Machine_Wars|Just you.]] Please don&#039;t, AT, we&#039;ve already REMOVED it from the notes before.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:00, 12 March 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Elite Guard? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
in Exodus, Starscream (along with Skywarp and Thundercracker ) served as sentinel Prime&#039;s bodyguards. In Aligned Continuity, The Elite Guard were defined as the bodyguards of the Prime and the Council. Does this mean that Starscream was on the elite guard?  (Note that Starscrem lead the Sky Command, and Elite Gaurdsmen were often seen in charge of such things in Animated Continuities. [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] 01:27, 20 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Eating Birds ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the live chat with Steve Blum and Jeff Kline yesterday, Steve Blum said that Starscream has swallowed a bird by accident while flying. Should that maybe be added to the notes? Or should it just be taken as a joke? --[[User:Mademoiselle Juko Pax-Prime|Juko]] 16:25, 7 February 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;d take it as a joke, since Starscream apparently can&#039;t fly in robot mode in &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039;, and jets have no mouths. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 13:45, 4 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Leg fins ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve got the Japanese release of the FE Starscream toy, and the instructions don&#039;t mention the tiny little winglets that can be deployed from the back of his legs for slightly increased show accuracy. The Japanese instructions are usually better than the Hasbro ones for stuff like this, so I wanted to see if they were mentioned in those instructions before adding a note. [[User:LiamK|LiamK]] 16:22, 14 February 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:[http://www.unicron.com/tfitem/itemimage_view.php?mode=instructions&amp;amp;itemID=1994 No, they] [http://www.unicron.com/tfitem/itemimage_view.php?mode=instructions&amp;amp;itemID=1994&amp;amp;imageID=2571 were not], apparently. Nice find! [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 21:45, 14 February 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Voyager figure ==&lt;br /&gt;
Looks to me like the detailing on the weapon he comes with suggests it&#039;s a retooling of Prime&#039;s Powerizer gun.  The only difference seems to be the more &amp;quot;alien&amp;quot; gun barrel. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 13:50, 9 March 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, it isn&#039;t. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 13:39, 4 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Neutral ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would just like to mention that Starscream is often kept in the &amp;quot;Decepticons&amp;quot; category on episode pages. Unless he rejoins them, remember to put him in &amp;quot;Other&amp;quot; first.&lt;br /&gt;
: You can be a Decepticon without being in Megatron&#039;s group.  I imagine Starscream still considers himself a Decepticon, regardless.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:54, 16 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, he did claim to be &amp;quot;no longer affiliated with that entity&amp;quot; in &amp;quot;Operation Bumblebee, Part 1&amp;quot;, when Silas called him a Decepticon. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:07, 16 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::1) It&#039;s Starscream.  He&#039;ll say anything, and does, if it gets him on someone&#039;s good side.  2) He&#039;s still got the Decepticon logo on his chest.  3) Airachnid is considered a Decepticon in &amp;quot;[[Predatory]],&amp;quot; even though she&#039;d been a free agent for however-long.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:27, 16 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Autobot ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Was Starscream an Autobot? He seemed to have a connection, as Jetfire angrily called him a &amp;quot;traitor.&amp;quot;--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 21:01, 31 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Starscream&#039;s Underwater == &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There isn&#039;t any ocean underneath Antarctica. Only on the out skirting ice shelves and there aren&#039;t any US bases there or any for that matter. Chances are Starscream was thrown into one of the many salt water sub-surface lakes under the surface of Antarctica. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vostok [1]] --[[Special:Contributions/50.136.104.227|50.136.104.227]] 09:52, 1 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Actually, McMurdo Base is right on the edge of the Ross Ice Shelf.  That said, it&#039;s also within sight of the unfrozen ocean too, which creates an entire other problem. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 21:01, 15 March 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Starscream&#039;s Cockpit ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I just found Starscream&#039;s cockpit.Can I put it on the Notes? And if I do, should I put a circle around it?&lt;br /&gt;
:You should probably just give it back to him. He&#039;s probably cold.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 01:11, 14 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Plane mode ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have seen tons of military planes before (for example, SR-71 blackbirds, F-22 eagles), but what is Starscream&#039;s? Yeah, I know, it&#039;s a military plane, but it&#039;s a single engine. If you go to a toy store &amp;amp; look at the military jets, they&#039;re mostly double engines &amp;amp; little to no single engines. So if anyone finds out, post it.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Bumblebee_(WFC)&amp;diff=797433</id>
		<title>Talk:Bumblebee (WFC)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Bumblebee_(WFC)&amp;diff=797433"/>
		<updated>2013-04-21T22:34:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Who should be his voice actor if Bee has a flashback before Tyger Pax? */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:BumblebeePrimecarmode.jpg|thumb|&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;No one&#039;&#039; would expect a spy and scout to be neon yellow! Bumblebee, you&#039;re a genius!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Clown Car==&lt;br /&gt;
The part referred to in the line &amp;quot;In the end credits for WFC, Bee drives up, and HALF of the Autobots get out. Weird.&amp;quot; in the notes section is a take on something called a &amp;quot;Clown Car&amp;quot; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clown_car as thus, should be edited to something more clearly stating it&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Is Bumblebee a boxer?==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems to me that &#039;Bee&#039;s fighting style is very much like pro boxing. Looking at him (especially his arms), he even seems to be built a boxer. Should this be noted?&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 1:30 PM, 9 April 2011 A.D.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think so. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:17, 6 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:13, 6 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Seeing as it&#039;s conjecture, it&#039;s not needed. --[[User:RavenFB|RavenFB]] 11:07, 19 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
==Query==&lt;br /&gt;
Is Bumblebee just a generic Muscle Car? --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.157.220|82.39.157.220]] 22:18, 1 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Two Different Bumblebee Toys ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There will be two different toys for Bumblebee in Prime.  The First Edition is already noted on the page, but the Robots In Disquise version is not.  The RID version (Wave 1) will feature a slightly differnt transformation and two arm guns instead of one.  I think this should be noted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Axel==&lt;br /&gt;
Why the mention of Axel Frazier? Is this just &amp;quot;Hasbro insists all continuities are one, so Rescue Bots BB is also Prime BB,&amp;quot; or something else? --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 16:48, 9 January 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
: [[Talk:Optimus_Prime_%28Prime%29#Aligned.3F]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:38, 9 January 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Will BB die? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I was watching a prieview for FOC (Fall Of Cybertron) and it looked like BumbleBee is about to die or that was is vocal prosesers but in Transformers:Exiles He was alive...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:1) Take it to a message board. 2) No. Of course he won&#039;t. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 18:43, 15 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Quickblade Bumblebee ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Knock Out&#039;s page claims that the Combat blade was also released with DOTM Mirage. If someone can confirm this, can they add it to the page?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:01, 22 March 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Who should be his voice actor if Bee has a flashback before Tyger Pax? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I personally can&#039;t decide on ether Drake Bell or Josh Peck (I love how he exclaimed &amp;quot;evil&amp;quot; 1 time).&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Bumblebee_(WFC)&amp;diff=797432</id>
		<title>Talk:Bumblebee (WFC)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Bumblebee_(WFC)&amp;diff=797432"/>
		<updated>2013-04-21T22:33:35Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Who should be his voice actor if Bee has a flashback before Tyger Pax? */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:BumblebeePrimecarmode.jpg|thumb|&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;No one&#039;&#039; would expect a spy and scout to be neon yellow! Bumblebee, you&#039;re a genius!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Clown Car==&lt;br /&gt;
The part referred to in the line &amp;quot;In the end credits for WFC, Bee drives up, and HALF of the Autobots get out. Weird.&amp;quot; in the notes section is a take on something called a &amp;quot;Clown Car&amp;quot; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clown_car as thus, should be edited to something more clearly stating it&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Is Bumblebee a boxer?==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems to me that &#039;Bee&#039;s fighting style is very much like pro boxing. Looking at him (especially his arms), he even seems to be built a boxer. Should this be noted?&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 1:30 PM, 9 April 2011 A.D.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think so. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:17, 6 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:13, 6 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Seeing as it&#039;s conjecture, it&#039;s not needed. --[[User:RavenFB|RavenFB]] 11:07, 19 June 2011 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Query==&lt;br /&gt;
Is Bumblebee just a generic Muscle Car? --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.157.220|82.39.157.220]] 22:18, 1 September 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Two Different Bumblebee Toys ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There will be two different toys for Bumblebee in Prime.  The First Edition is already noted on the page, but the Robots In Disquise version is not.  The RID version (Wave 1) will feature a slightly differnt transformation and two arm guns instead of one.  I think this should be noted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Axel==&lt;br /&gt;
Why the mention of Axel Frazier? Is this just &amp;quot;Hasbro insists all continuities are one, so Rescue Bots BB is also Prime BB,&amp;quot; or something else? --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 16:48, 9 January 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
: [[Talk:Optimus_Prime_%28Prime%29#Aligned.3F]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:38, 9 January 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Will BB die? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I was watching a prieview for FOC (Fall Of Cybertron) and it looked like BumbleBee is about to die or that was is vocal prosesers but in Transformers:Exiles He was alive...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:1) Take it to a message board. 2) No. Of course he won&#039;t. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 18:43, 15 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Quickblade Bumblebee ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Knock Out&#039;s page claims that the Combat blade was also released with DOTM Mirage. If someone can confirm this, can they add it to the page?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:01, 22 March 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Who should be his voice actor if Bee has a flashback before Tyger Pax? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I personally can&#039;t decide on ether Drake Bell or Josh Peck (I love how he exclaimed &amp;quot;evil&amp;quot; on time).&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Pokeformers&amp;diff=797164</id>
		<title>Talk:Pokeformers</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Pokeformers&amp;diff=797164"/>
		<updated>2013-04-20T16:31:57Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* Characters that look like Pokemon */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I would like to cite the actual comments made by Hasbro at the convention just prior to Armada, but I can&#039;t remember now which year it was, or if it was OTFCC or BotCon at that point. I&#039;m getting senile in my old age, I guess. [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 05:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:[[BotCon 2002]] was the convention where they debuted Armada&#039;s first episode, and was going to be where the first retail Armada toys would be given to the public as dinner exclusives... until they shipped them to Walmart and co. and the toys had been available at retail for a few weeks prior to the convention, as I recall. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:24, 28 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;d just like to say I think this article would be much, much better &#039;&#039;without&#039;&#039; the in-your-face sarcasm. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 04:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Seconded. I re-wrote it a bit to that effect, but apparently &amp;quot;merge&amp;quot; now means &amp;quot;revert.&amp;quot; - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Meh.  One out of the five paragraphs is sarcastic.  That doesn&#039;t seem like a lot to me considering how asinine the term is.  The joke paragraph has two gags in it, one being the &amp;quot;entire premise&amp;quot; part and the other being the &amp;quot;baby shit&amp;quot; part.  If we were to eliminate one, I&#039;d rather lose the premise hyperbole, since it&#039;s pretty rationally discussed later in the article, and is the less irritating aspect of the Pokeformers &amp;quot;argument&amp;quot; anyway.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Well, I find [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Pokeformers&amp;amp;oldid=130942 this revision], that was reverted, to be far less obnoxious than the article as it currently stands. As it stands now, the purpose of the sarscastic paragraph seems to be less about providing information about the term, and more about condemnation and ridicule of anyone who ever says it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I also thought it was a smidgin harsh.  I gather it&#039;s been softened since then. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::What? Softened since when? I&#039;m saying the article as it currently is now is excessive in its use of sarcastic ridicule, and that restoring this [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Pokeformers&amp;amp;oldid=130942 recently-reverted edit] would be better. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:52, 31 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::You mean the one that actually gives the impression that &amp;quot;Armada is a rip-off of Pokemon&amp;quot; is &#039;&#039;fact&#039;&#039; and that&#039;s the wiki&#039;s stance on the matter? I don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible for me to agree &#039;&#039;less&#039;&#039; with that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Okay, see, now I took the use of italicization and the &amp;quot;Yeah&amp;quot; in there as an indication of sarcasm. Less in-your-face about it than the current version, but still sarcastic. If it doesn&#039;t read that way to everyone, and rather comes across as &#039;&#039;sincerely&#039;&#039; stating that Armada is just a rip-off of Pokemon, then no, I would not recommend returning to it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 05:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)  &lt;br /&gt;
:::Wait, is there some reason we &#039;&#039;shouldn&#039;t&#039;&#039; ridicule anybody who&#039;s ever used this term?  What makes this any different than [[neon]], [[trukk not munky]], or [[ruined forever]]?  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:07, 1 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Well, the &amp;quot;neon&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;trukk not munky&amp;quot; articles are less snarky, more straightforward explanations of the terms, and I&#039;m on record on the &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot;&#039;s talk page as seeing no point to its existence. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 05:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Or perhaps the fact that, as the article itself says, there actually &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; a certain degree of merit to the comparison between the two series, and the article as writ smacks of trying to decry any parallels in a snarky opening before grudgingly acknowledging that there &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; a lot of similarities, but, um, they totally used a few of them maybe one time before twenty years ago and not again until now, and, um,, it only lasted for &#039;&#039;half&#039;&#039; the series, and so, like, so it&#039;s not that serious, really, um, it doesn&#039;t count, and um?  - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I agree with Chris.  If there is merit to the comparisons, and the last SEVERAL iterations of the article have admitted that there is, then it seems inappropriate to pretty directly attack the people who bring up those comparisons at all (i.e. &amp;quot;stodgy insecure fans who don&#039;t know what they&#039;re talking about&amp;quot;).  I will try my hand at it....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 03:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::There is &#039;&#039;barely&#039;&#039; more than zero merit to the comparison, and as I wrote in my revision, it always seemed as if the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; motivation for using the word was just to affix latent anti-Pokemon sentiment to Armada.  It was used by people who have a knee-jerk reaction to anime and who want &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; fiction to be written for adults.  &amp;quot;Stodgy insecure adult fanboys&amp;quot; is wholly accurate.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Deliberate?==&lt;br /&gt;
Did we ever find a record of the comments noted by [[User:Vanguard]] above, wherein Hasbro execs stated that they were deliberately targeting the Pokemon crowd?  That&#039;s definitely worth noting in the article, if it&#039;s correct. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Characters that look like Pokemon ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I realized that Skarmoray looks like Transformers Prime Starscream. I mean, they have the same coloration, flight ability &amp;amp; they&#039;re cool looking.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rosie_Huntington-Whiteley&amp;diff=796503</id>
		<title>Talk:Rosie Huntington-Whiteley</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rosie_Huntington-Whiteley&amp;diff=796503"/>
		<updated>2013-04-19T03:19:01Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Man, I wish we could get a sourced &amp;quot;turn ons&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;turn offs&amp;quot; bit for this, but I realize she&#039;s a Victoria&#039;s Secret model, not a Playboy Playmate.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 12:02, 2 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Turn-ons: giant robots. Turn-offs: human-sized robots with prehensile tongues.&lt;br /&gt;
:(Those skinny dimensions are depressing. Why can&#039;t pinup women ever have lovely voluptuous curves? Meh.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:44, 2 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::She&#039;s constantly described as a &amp;quot;Bombshell&amp;quot; in stuff related to the movie. Maybe she&#039;ll play an Insecticon as well. But in all seriousness, I wonder what kind of character she&#039;ll be playing... or what the Human Alliance toys will be like. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:52, 2 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I think a safe bet is her kind of character will be Tits &amp;amp; Ass. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:24, 3 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
A lady&#039;s vital stats are her own business.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rosie_Huntington-Whiteley&amp;diff=796502</id>
		<title>Talk:Rosie Huntington-Whiteley</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rosie_Huntington-Whiteley&amp;diff=796502"/>
		<updated>2013-04-19T03:18:41Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Man, I wish we could get a sourced &amp;quot;turn ons&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;turn offs&amp;quot; bit for this, but I realize she&#039;s a Victoria&#039;s Secret model, not a Playboy Playmate.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 12:02, 2 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Turn-ons: giant robots. Turn-offs: human-sized robots with prehensile tongues.&lt;br /&gt;
:(Those skinny dimensions are depressing. Why can&#039;t pinup women ever have lovely voluptuous curves? Meh.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:44, 2 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::She&#039;s constantly described as a &amp;quot;Bombshell&amp;quot; in stuff related to the movie. Maybe she&#039;ll play an Insecticon as well. But in all seriousness, I wonder what kind of character she&#039;ll be playing... or what the Human Alliance toys will be like. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:52, 2 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I think a safe bet is her kind of character will be Tits &amp;amp; Ass. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:24, 3 June 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Al lady&#039;s vital stats are her own business.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Femtransfan&amp;diff=796497</id>
		<title>User:Femtransfan</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Femtransfan&amp;diff=796497"/>
		<updated>2013-04-19T02:48:52Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: Created page with &amp;quot;Hi, I&amp;#039;m femtransfan. I&amp;#039;m a huge transformers fan. My dad took me, his friend &amp;amp; his daughter to see Michal Bays &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Transformes&amp;#039;&amp;#039; when I was 10 or 9. I watched &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Transformers Animat…&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Hi, I&#039;m femtransfan. I&#039;m a huge transformers fan. My dad took me, his friend &amp;amp; his daughter to see Michal Bays &#039;&#039;Transformes&#039;&#039; when I was 10 or 9. I watched &#039;&#039;Transformers Animated&#039;&#039; for awhile (&amp;amp; by a while, I mean 7 episodes). When I was channel surfing when I saw &#039;&#039;Transformers Prime&#039;&#039;, episode 8, Con Job.&lt;br /&gt;
I also have Aspergers syndrome.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Alien_Invasion_of_Griffin_Rock&amp;diff=796496</id>
		<title>Talk:The Alien Invasion of Griffin Rock</title>
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		<updated>2013-04-19T02:14:23Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I&#039;ve seen E.T. &amp;amp; Men in Black &amp;amp; I know what most of the movie aliens the bots are talking about, but what was Blades talking about, with the alien that eats (or grabs) your face &amp;amp; lays eggs in your tummy? Little help here?&lt;br /&gt;
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(film) Alien] --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:50, 18 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I just watched a top 10 aliens you don&#039;t wan to meet &amp;amp; I think he ment the Xenomorphs from the Alien Quadrilogy.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Alien_Invasion_of_Griffin_Rock&amp;diff=796494</id>
		<title>Talk:The Alien Invasion of Griffin Rock</title>
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		<updated>2013-04-19T01:17:58Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: Created page with &amp;quot;I&amp;#039;ve seen E.T. &amp;amp; Men in Black &amp;amp; I know what most of the movie aliens the bots are talking about, but what was Blades talking about, with the alien that eats (or grabs) your face …&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I&#039;ve seen E.T. &amp;amp; Men in Black &amp;amp; I know what most of the movie aliens the bots are talking about, but what was Blades talking about, with the alien that eats (or grabs) your face &amp;amp; lays eggs in your tummy? Little help here?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Autotot&amp;diff=796291</id>
		<title>Talk:Autotot</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Autotot&amp;diff=796291"/>
		<updated>2013-04-18T01:01:00Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* O.O */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Didn&#039;t follow the Prime potato head. Is this actually given as his faction on the toy. If not this needs deletion.&lt;br /&gt;
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Cool. That link just threw me, the other end doesn&#039;t look official. Is the info there really the backstory for Optimash? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Did Optimash have the Autobot symbol?  (I want to know if it&#039;s fair to use it as the Autobots symbol.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, besides the pic... this isn&#039;t really a stub, is it?  There&#039;s no more to say. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I was going to ask why this is marked as a stub, since there just isn&#039;t anything to add at this time, and I see that Derik already asked, so... *bump*. I&#039;m going to go ahead and remove the tag for now. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 06:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== O.O ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Uhhhhh....&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Femtransfan</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Rebellion_(Prime)&amp;diff=796287</id>
		<title>Talk:Rebellion (Prime)</title>
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		<updated>2013-04-18T00:53:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Femtransfan: /* How can that happen? */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Skystrikers? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Fowler called his jet squadron &amp;quot;Skystrikers&amp;quot; - a reference to the [[Skystriker|G.I. Joe jet of the same name]]? --[[User:Pjdonnell|pjdonnell]] 13:38, 13 April 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== How can that happen? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, so Predaking froze within moments of being bridged to the Arctic. That like breaks the rules of science, cause he&#039;s so big &amp;amp; he could have extra-thick &amp;quot;skin&amp;quot; or something, so it would take a couple of days, oh yeah, &amp;amp; HE&#039;S A DRAGON so he could make some sort of fire nest like Toothless in How to Train Your Dragon. Well, that &amp;amp; he&#039;s HUGE!&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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