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Talk:Transformers Unite Warriors

2019-03-02T12:14:55Z

Fronkinsteen:

==Model Numbers==
apologies if i'm doing this wrong - but how can we get the model numbers reinstated onto the wiki pages here? that information is rather valuable, and should be on the main collection pages like this. please advise... =) {{unsigned|Fronkinsteen‎}}
:The ID numbers are on [[List of Japanese ID numbers]]. I'm not sure they need to be on the individual toyline pages as well - the more info we include on those, the messier they look, IMHO. Welcome to the Wiki though! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:50, 3 March 2017 (EST)
:Stop asking this on every talk page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:06, 3 March 2017 (EST)

=> Abates - thank you for that page link! I'll definitely save it for future reference... =) 
=> Saix - my sincerest apologies, I was only trying to point out the pages which I was concerned about, since they were being stripped of useful information (I definitely did not mean to violate any community rules or etiquette)...

As a longtime user of twiki, I've been deeply grateful for the wealth of information collected here, and refer to the pages here quite frequently.
However, recently I've been noticing several page overhauls which have significantly reduced the quality of the pages, particularly with regards to the presentation (layout/formatting), and also removal of valuable information (ie - the model #'s being stripped).
I agree that too much information can clutter things, but model #'s are typically only 2-5 characters long and can serve well to organize lists and provide a look of uniformity to them (not to mention being an inherent key piece of ID information for a figure, especially for collectors).

This page ("Transformers Unite Warriors") is a perfect example of all this - compare the January 18, 2017 edit to the current version (1/24/17), and judge for yourselves which is better organized. IMHO, the current version with the 4-column table view is a jumbled mess (and this is while viewed on a computer monitor; it doesn't look any better on mobile devices), and actually has LESS information (no model numbers). The previous iteration is a simple straight-down list which looks much cleaner, which makes it easy to scan downwards and compare dates, model #'s, etc.

Similarly for the "Transformers United" page - compare the previous list version from August 15, 2016 to the later edits, it's not hard to see which one is a much better layout (and *with* model #'s included!). Same with the "Transformers Legends (franchise)", "Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)", and "Robotmasters (franchise)" pages - in each case, the list versions look significantly cleaner, with model #'s serving to help organize and provide a uniform look (these are all Japanese toylines where the model #s are particularly helpful to foreign collectors). The only cost is slightly more vertical scrolling, but none of these toylines have so many figures that it's more than a few extra lines anyway. Honestly, I think these pages would've been better off with just the cool new mini insignia icons added, but left in straight list layout with model #'s intact. (I realize that you can follow the individual character links to find out their model numbers, but it's much more convenient to have them all collected & organized on the main toyline pages like they were previously.)

After noticing more & more pages being stripped of model #'s, I finally created an account today and sought to help out - I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my actions. I see that most of the admins are old-timers, and I certainly don't mean to step on anyone's toes. Just thought it might help to provide you guys with an outside viewpoint, from somebody who uses these pages all the time for the information contained within, who happened to notice some changes for the worse.

Anyway, I did reach out to "M Sipher" (who did most of the reformatting edits and removal of the model #'s) and received a simple "No." so I guess I won't push this issue any further. I can stick to making simple corrections here and there, and just appreciate the wiki for what it has to offer. Thanks... :)
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Update (2 years later): THANK YOU for reinstating the model numbers!!!
I see they were restored on the Legends and Henkei pages too, so I went ahead and fixed the United and Robotmasters pages as well... =)

Robotmasters (franchise)

2019-03-02T11:08:02Z

Fronkinsteen: small typo

{{disambig3|Robot Master}}
{{nav-robotmasters}}
{{quote|In 2004, Optimus Prime is alerted to a disturbance at the gates of Autobot City; a force of Decepticons led by a vicious new enemy, a ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' calling himself Megatron!! Autobots and Decepticons from across the eras have converged on this time to clash over the newly-discovered energy source [[solitarium]]!}}

[[File:Robots masters.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Continuity? Pah!]]
'''''Robotmasters''''' (ロボットマスターズ) is a [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] sub-line which ran from 2004-2005 consisting mainly of [[redeco]]es of previously-released toys with several all-new molds of popular characters thrown into the mix. Every mold created for the line received at least one redeco, and the line itself was the sister range to the U.S.'s own ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'', except designed specifically to sell smaller toys at lower price points.

Most redecos in the line came with new or [[retool]]ed accessories, including some classic-style chromed-silver guns.

The only all-new molds created for toys were of existing characters, and popular ones at that. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal]], [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Megatron]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]], [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]], [[Victory Leo]], and [[Lio Convoy]] were given the star treatment for new, quasi-TV show-specific playthings.

As far as storyline goes, the tale of ''Robotmasters'' was told through packed-in minicomics, brief online mini-comics, 3D diorama comics, and DVDs that came with specific toys as mentioned below. At this time, there are no known plans or even rumors to continue the line, although a Fan's Choice poll was held at a Japanese toy convention around the line's debut that indicated characters like [[Big Convoy]] and [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] were being considered for the ''Robotmasters'' treatment. However, this poll also included the likes of [[Road Rocket (G2)|Road Rocket]], who got a ''Robotmasters'' release anyway, so make of that what you will.

==Media==
The ''Robotmasters'' storyline was told through five outlets:

*[[Robotmasters (cartoon)|A cartoon series]].
*[[Robotmasters (pack-in manga)|A pack-in comic series]].
*[[Robotmasters (online manga)|An online comic series]].
*[[Robotmasters (3D diorama manga)|A 3D diorama comic series]].
*[[Black Body|A prose story told through a series of pamphlets]].

Oddly, each outlet told roughly the same story, but in noticeably ''different'' ways, and with no single version telling the ''Robotmasters'' story in its entirety. Although ''Robotmasters'' was included as part of Takara's official Generation 1 timeline, they were not specific as to ''which'' version of ''Robotmasters'' was considered canon.

==Toys==
<big>'''Regular retail'''</big>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[July 15|7-15]]-[[2004]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-01 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|G1 Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-02 [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Robotmasters|Beast Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-03 [[Mirage (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Ligier]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-04 [[Tow-Line (RID)#Robotmasters|Wrecker Hook]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-05 [[R-Blade#Toys|R-Blade]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|RM-06 [[Air Hunter#Toys|Air Hunter]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-07 [[Bound Rogue#Toys|Bound Rogue]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-08 [[Wingstun#Toys|Wingstun]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-09 [[Psycho-Orb#Toys|Psycho-Orb]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-10 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersDVD|G1 Convoy]] + DVD}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[August 5|8-5]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-11 [[Optimus Primal/toys#Robotmasters|Beast Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-12 [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[September 9|9-9]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|RM-13 [[Smokesniper#Toys|Smokesniper]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-14 [[Gigant Bomb#Toys|Gigant Bomb]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:RMConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Convoy]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[November 18|11-18]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-15 [[Star Saber (Victory)#Robotmasters 2|Star Saber]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-16 [[Victory Leo#Robotmasters 2|Victory Leo]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-17 [[Star Saber (Victory)#RMVictorySaber|Victory Saber]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[December 28|12-28]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-18 [[Road Rocket (G2)#Robotmasters|Road Rocket]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-19 [[Sideways (RM)#Toys|Double Face]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|RM-20 [[Delta Seeker#Toys|Delta Seeker]] vs [[X-Gunner#Toys|X-Gunner]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-21 [[Optimus Primal/toys#RMBURN|Burning Beast Convoy]] + DVD}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[March 24|3-24]]-[[2005]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-22 [[Lio Convoy#Robotmasters_2|Lio Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-23 [[Lio Convoy#RMDVD|Lio Convoy]] + DVD}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[May 26|5-26]]-2005)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-24 [[Reverse Convoy#Toys|Reverse Convoy]]/[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Rebirth Megatron]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Robotmasters Edition''' ([[August 11|9-11]]-2005)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Skywarp]] & [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Thundercracker]]<ref>The box that Skywarp and Thundercracker come in does not have an "RM-##" number, but the words "Robotmasters Edition" appear in English on both the front of the box and the [[Robot Point]]s.</ref>}}
|}

{{-}}
'''<big>Exclusives'''</big>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Dengeki Hobby'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|G1 Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Black Lio Convoy#Robotmasters|Lio Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[e-HOBBY]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#RMeHobby|Victory Saber Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Figure Ō'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fortress Maximus (RID)#Robotmasters|Cybertron Base]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|Starscream Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Hobby Japan'' magazine'''
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#RMBLACK|Beast Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Robot Masters black starscream.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Starscream Limited Black Version]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''HyperHobby'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|Beast Megatron Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[TV Magazine]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersLuckyDraw|G1 Convoy]] ([[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]])}}
|}

{{-}}

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20070618040111/www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/robotmasters/main2.htm Takara's ''Robotmasters'' homepage]
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20060214114550/actas-inc.co.jp/title/robot.html Actas Inc.] (archived)

[[Category:Generation 1 franchises]]
[[Category:Japanese franchises]]
[[Category:Japanese toylines]]
[[Category:Robotmasters| ]]

Robotmasters (franchise)

2019-03-02T11:07:30Z

Fronkinsteen: restored model numbers

{{disambig3|Robot Master}}
{{nav-robotmasters}}
{{quote|In 2004, Optimus Prime is alerted to a disturbance at the gates of Autobot City; a force of Decepticons led by a vicious new enemy, a ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' calling himself Megatron!! Autobots and Decepticons from across the eras have converged on this time to clash over the newly-discovered energy source [[solitarium]]!}}

[[File:Robots masters.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Continuity? Pah!]]
'''''Robotmasters''''' (ロボットマスターズ) is a [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] sub-line which ran from 2004-2005 consisting mainly of [[redeco]]es of previously-released toys with several all-new molds of popular characters thrown into the mix. Every mold created for the line received at least one redeco, and the line itself was the sister range to the U.S.'s own ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'', except designed specifically to sell smaller toys at lower price points.

Most redecos in the line came with new or [[retool]]ed accessories, including some classic-style chromed-silver guns.

The only all-new molds created for toys were of existing characters, and popular ones at that. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal]], [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Megatron]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]], [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]], [[Victory Leo]], and [[Lio Convoy]] were given the star treatment for new, quasi-TV show-specific playthings.

As far as storyline goes, the tale of ''Robotmasters'' was told through packed-in minicomics, brief online mini-comics, 3D diorama comics, and DVDs that came with specific toys as mentioned below. At this time, there are no known plans or even rumors to continue the line, although a Fan's Choice poll was held at a Japanese toy convention around the line's debut that indicated characters like [[Big Convoy]] and [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] were being considered for the ''Robotmasters'' treatment. However, this poll also included the likes of [[Road Rocket (G2)|Road Rocket]], who got a ''Robotmasters'' release anyway, so make of that what you will.

==Media==
The ''Robotmasters'' storyline was told through five outlets:

*[[Robotmasters (cartoon)|A cartoon series]].
*[[Robotmasters (pack-in manga)|A pack-in comic series]].
*[[Robotmasters (online manga)|An online comic series]].
*[[Robotmasters (3D diorama manga)|A 3D diorama comic series]].
*[[Black Body|A prose story told through a series of pamphlets]].

Oddly, each outlet told roughly the same story, but in noticeably ''different'' ways, and with no single version telling the ''Robotmasters'' story in its entirety. Although ''Robotmasters'' was included as part of Takara's official Generation 1 timeline, they were not specific as to ''which'' version of ''Robotmasters'' was considered canon.

==Toys==
<big>'''Regular retail'''</big>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[July 15|7-15]]-[[2004]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-01 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|G1 Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-02 [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Robotmasters|Beast Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-03 [[Mirage (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Ligier]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-04 [[Tow-Line (RID)#Robotmasters|Wrecker Hook]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-05 [[R-Blade#Toys|R-Blade]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|RM-06 [[Air Hunter#Toys|Air Hunter]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-07 [[Bound Rogue#Toys|Bound Rogue]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-08 [[Wingstun#Toys|Wingstun]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-09 [[Psycho-Orb#Toys|Psycho-Orb]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-10 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersDVD|G1 Convoy]] + DVD}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[August 5|8-5]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-11 [[Optimus Primal/toys#Robotmasters|Beast Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|FM-12 [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[September 9|9-9]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|RM-13 [[Smokesniper#Toys|Smokesniper]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-14 [[Gigant Bomb#Toys|Gigant Bomb]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:RMConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Convoy]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[November 18|11-18]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-15 [[Star Saber (Victory)#Robotmasters 2|Star Saber]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-16 [[Victory Leo#Robotmasters 2|Victory Leo]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-17 [[Star Saber (Victory)#RMVictorySaber|Victory Saber]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[December 28|12-28]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-18 [[Road Rocket (G2)#Robotmasters|Road Rocket]]}}
{{Bp-d1|RM-19 [[Sideways (RM)#Toys|Double Face]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|RM-20 [[Delta Seeker#Toys|Delta Seeker]] vs [[X-Gunner#Toys|X-Gunner]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-21 [[Optimus Primal/toys#RMBURN|Burning Beast Convoy]] + DVD}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[March 24|3-24]]-[[2005]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-22 [[Lio Convoy#Robotmasters_2|Lio Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-a1|RM-23 [[Lio Convoy#RMDVD|Lio Convoy]] + DVD}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[May 26|5-26]]-2005)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|RM-24 [[Reverse Convoy#Toys|Reverse Convoy]]/[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Rebirth Megatron]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Robotmasters Edition''' ([[August 11|9-11]]-2005)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Skywarp]] & [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Thundercracker]]<ref>The box that Skywarp and Thundercracker come in does not have an "RM-##" number, but the words "Robotmasters Edition" appear in English on both the front of the box and the [[Robot Point]]s.</ref>}}
|}

{{-}}
'''<big>Exclusives'''</big>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Dengeki Hobby'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|G1 Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Black Lio Convoy#Robotmasters|Lio Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[e-HOBBY]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#RMeHobby|Victory Saber Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Figure Ō'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fortress Maximus (RID)#Robotmasters|Cybertron Base]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|Starscream Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Hobby Japan'' magazine'''
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#RMBLACK|Beast Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Robot Masters black starscream.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Starscream Limited Black Version]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''HyperHobby'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|Beast Megatron Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[TV Magazine]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersLuckyDraw|G1 Convoy]] ([[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]])}}
|}

{{-}}

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20070618040111/www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/robotmasters/main2.htm Takara's ''Robotmasters'' homepage]
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20060214114550/actas-inc.co.jp/title/robot.html Actas Inc.] (archived)

[[Category:Generation 1 franchises]]
[[Category:Japanese franchises]]
[[Category:Japanese toylines]]
[[Category:Robotmasters| ]]

Transformers United

2019-03-02T10:49:29Z

Fronkinsteen: restored model numbers

[[File:TFUnited logo.jpg|center|upright=2.2]]

'''''Transformers United''''' (トランスフォーマーユナイテッド ''Toransufōmā Yunaiteddo'') is a Japanese [[TakaraTomy]] toyline initially comprising [[redeco]]s from [[Hasbro]]'s ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'', [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']], and ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toylines, later expanding its focus to become something of a dumping ground for molds from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] and the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' line which have never previously been released by Takara. Much like TakaraTomy's release of the ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Transformers Animated]]'' toyline, some of these Japanese versions have glossy metallic paint jobs. As a continuation of a marketing strategy introduced during the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|2007 live-action movie toyline]], most of the characters retain their American names.

In 2012, the line became '''United EX''', and oddly consisted entirely of (expensive) [[redeco]]s of ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' figures. Don't ask us.

Also in 2012 were several Asian-market (excluding Japan) releases for ''United'', consisting of redecoes likely meant to fill in "holes" in collectors' collections.

==Fiction==
===United===
*A comic series in [[Hero-X|Million Publishing]]'s latest ''Transformers Generations'' volumes, including "[[A New Battle!]]" and "[[The Fierce Fighting on Planet Nebulos]]".
*''[[Macrocosmic Seekers]]'', a series of prose stories taking place during ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (franchise)|Transformers 2010]]''.
*An extended toy commercial giving descriptions of all the first-wave characters.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EejvhYAGCzE ''United'' toy commercial]</ref> Though light on continuity, it does show the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War-for-Cybertron]]''-based toys [[trans-scan]]ning into [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation-1]]-based modern [[Earth]] forms, a connection not made explicit in any other ''United'' fiction.

===United EX===
*A [[Transformers United EX|story]] told in back-of-package chapters, showcasing the origins of the [[Power Core Combination|Power Core Combiners]] in an adventure set in [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Japanese cartoon continuity]], simultaneous with ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination (franchise)|Operation Combination]]''.

==Toys==
===Regular retail===
<big>'''''United'''''</big>
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[December 25|12-25]]-[[2010]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|UN-01 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#United|Optimus Prime Cybertron Mode]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-02 [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#United|Bumblebee Cybertron Mode]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-03 [[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#United|Cliffjumper Cybertron Mode]]}}
{{Bp-d1|UN-04 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#United|Megatron Cybertron Mode]]}}
{{Bp-d1|UN-05 [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#United|Soundwave Cybertron Mode]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|UN-06 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UnitedEarth|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-07 [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#UnitedEarth|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-08 [[Drift (G1)#United 2|Autobot Drift]]}}
{{Bp-d1|UN-09 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#UnitedEarth|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-d1|UN-10 [[Straxus (G1)#United 2|Straxus]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[January 29|1-29]]-[[2011]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|UN-11 [[Grapple (G1)#United 2|Autobot Grapple]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-12 [[Jazz (G1)/toys#United|Autobot Jazz]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-13 [[Tracks (G1)/toys#United|Autobot Tracks]]}}
{{Bp-d1|UN-14 [[Lugnut (TF 2010)#United 2|Decepticon Lugnut]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[February 26|2-26]]-2011)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|UN-15 [[Perceptor (G1)/toys#United|Autobot Perceptor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-16 [[Blurr (G1)/toys#United|Autobot Blurr]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-17 [[Kup (G1)/toys#United|Autobot Kup]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-18 [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#United|Wreck-Gar]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:Unitedtoy bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Bumblebee]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[March 26|3-26]]-2011)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|UN-19 [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#United|Wheeljack]]}}
{{Bp-d1|UN-20 [[Rumble (G1)/toys#United|Rumble]] & [[Frenzy (G1)#United|Frenzy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|UN-21 [[Scourge (G1)/toys#United|Decepticon Scourge]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-22 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#United|Laser Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[January 28|1-28]]-[[2012]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|UN-23 [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#United|Rodimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-24 [[Warpath (G1)/toys#United|Warpath]]}}
{{Bp-d1|UN-25 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#United|Tank Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-d1|UN-26 [[Thunderwing (G1)#United 2|Thunderwing]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|UN-27 [[Windcharger (G1)#United|Windcharger]] vs [[Wipe-Out#United|Decepticon Wipe-Out]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[February 25|2-25]]-2012)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|UN-28 [[Axalon (BW)#United 2|Axalon]]}}
{{Bp-d1|UN-29 [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] [[Unicron/toys#United|Unicron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|UN-30 [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#United|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-d1|UN-31 [[Megatron (BW)/toys#United|Beast Megatron]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:Unitedtoy axalon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Axalon]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Asian market releases'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#United|Ultra Magnus]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Bruticus (G1)#United|Bruticus Maximus]] ([[Blast Off (G1)#United|Blast Off]], [[Brawl (G1)#United|Brawl]], [[Onslaught (G1)#United|Onslaught]], [[Swindle (G1)#United|Swindle]], [[Vortex (G1)#United|Vortex]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Chinese market releases'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]]: Aces ([[Skywarp (G1)/toys#United|Skywarp]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#United|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#United|Thundercracker]])}}
{{Bp-d1|Seekers: Elites ([[Dirge (G1)/toys#United|Dirge]], [[Ramjet (G1)/toys#United|Ramjet]], [[Thrust (G1)/toys#United|Thrust]])}}
|}

{{-}}{{anchor|UnitedEXtoyline}}
<big>'''''United EX'''''</big>
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[September 22|9-22]]-[[2012]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|EX-01 [[Onslaught (G1)#United EX 2|Combatmaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-a1|EX-02 [[Tread Bolt#United EX 2|Jetmaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-a1d1|EX-P1 [[Straxus (G1)#United EX 2|Rollermaster]] vs [[Blaze Master#United EX 2|Choppermaster]] (w/ [[Spanner (United)#Toys|Spanner]] & [[Firebug (United)#Toys|Firebug]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 8''' ([[October 20|10-20]]-2012)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|EX-03 [[Detritus (G1)#United EX 2|Roadmaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-a1|EX-04 [[Kakuryu (Victory)#United EX 2|Grimmaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-a1|EX-05 [[Rapido#United EX 2|Racemaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-a1d1|EX-P2 [[Roadblock (G2)#United EX 2|Dozermaster]] vs [[Sky High (Micromaster)#United EX 2|Airmaster]] (w/ [[Groundbreak (United)#Toys|Groundbreak]] & [[Deduce (United)#Toys|Deduce]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 9''' ([[November 17|11-17]]-2012)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|EX-06 [[Gravedigger#United EX 2|Buildmaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-a1|EX-07 [[Clouder#United EX 2|Assaultmaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-a1d1|EX-P3 [[Grindcore (G1)#United EX 2|Tankmaster]] vs [[Manta Ray (G2)#United EX 2|Marinemaster]] (w/ [[Wheezel (United)#Toys|Wheezel]] & [[Rotorbolt (United)#Toys|Rotorbolt]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:Unitedtoy roadmaster.jpg|thumb|200px|Roadmaster Prime Mode]]
|}
{{-}}

===Exclusives===

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''BIC Camera / Yodobashi Camera'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Fracas#United 2|Fracas]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Spoilsport#United|Spoilsport]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[e-HOBBY]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|Autobot Set ([[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#United|Hot Rod Clear Blue Version]], [[Kup (G1)/toys#UnitedDamage|Autobot Kup Damage Version]], [[Scrapheap (G1)#United|Scrapheap]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|Decepticon Set ([[Galvatron (G1)/toys#United|Galvatron Purple Clear Version]], [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#United|Cyclonus Purple Clear Version]], [[Scourge (G1)/toys#UnitedClear|Decepticon Scourge Purple Clear Version]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Tokyo Toy Show]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UnitedBlack|Black Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Darkside Optimus Prime (United)|Darkside Optimus Prime]] & [[Darkside Megatron]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:UnitedDarksideOptimusAndMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Tokyo Toy Show exclusive Darkside Optimus Prime & Darkside Megatron]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Caliburst (G1)#United|Caliburst]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Recoil (G1)#United 2|Recoil]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Generations]]'' mail-aways'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Artfire#United 2|Artfire]] (w/ [[Nightstick (Headmasters)#United|Nightstick]] & [[Sparks#United 2|Sparks]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ricochet (Headmasters)#United 2|Stepper]] (w/ [[Nebulon (Headmasters)|Nebulon]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Yamada Denki'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Haywire#United|Haywire]]}}
|}

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/products/TF/products/united.html TakaraTomy's ''United'' page]

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Talk:Transformers Unite Warriors

2019-03-02T09:52:59Z

Fronkinsteen: /* Model Numbers */

User talk:Fronkinsteen

2017-03-06T08:39:34Z

Fronkinsteen:

[[List of Japanese ID numbers]]. All in one place. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:28, 5 March 2017 (EST)

Thanks - will save for future reference... =)

User talk:M Sipher

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Fronkinsteen:

AMBIGUITY IS THE FLAVOR OR LIFE!

YOU WOULD ROB US OF OUR MYSTERIES!

Dumping everything written was not required, unless Wikipedia automatically saves what I have written somewhere.

==Autobot Officer==

Uh. Oopsies? Didn't know you were getting pics, too. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Americanised spelling ==
Hi there, PacifistPrime the originator of the [[Scale]] article here. Thanks for cleaning up some of the typos. However, is it really neccessary to "correct" all my spelling by changing it to Americanised spelling? Is there actually a rule here that one has to use American spelling instead of, well... to be frank: the way the rest of world's users of the English Language spell? No offence intended, just asking. Let me know. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:I would think "yes", since this is an Amerocentric wiki and consistency looks professional. I don't realistically believe we'll ever achieve that because there are too many people from too many regions contributing, and further there are a lot of variations in how people type regardless of what area they're from. I can't stand putting two spaces between sentences, but I wouldn't be offended if someone changed a page I worked on to use them. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==What edit are you talking about?==
If you're talking about my submission about Blackarachnia's telekinesis, it is NOT baseless speculation; she did use telekinesis in Master Blaster against Rampage, and although they never said where she got it, it is very likely that the psychic link she had with Tarantulas was upgraded during her Transmetalization. Watch the episode; you'll see Blackarachnia's eyes glow green, levitate an I-beam, and fling it at Rampage. The episode was right after Crossing the Rubicon (where Blackarachnia became a TM2), and 18 episodes after Tangled Web, when Blackarachnia forced Tarantulas to terminate their mind link after four episodes (and in case you want to contest it, Other Visits made a mention of the mind link, and how it worked both ways, meaning that BA had some remnants of the link, at the very least some of Tarantulas' memories, if not some other side effects).[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 15:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not Sipher, but I agree that it's speculation that doesn't belong here. Her glowing eyes echo the glowing tendrils involved in Cheetor's TM2-ification. It's a Transmetal 2 thing, and I see nothing whatsoever to connect it with the former mental link she shared with Tarantulas. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Beast Wars Video Game ==

Hey Siph- I finally picked up a copy of the BW Game off e-bay (the original snap I made was from the demo.)

I'm nto very far into it (finding time this summer is tough) but thus far there's been no mention of the Skriix. Were they named in the game booklet or something? ('cuz i lack the booklet.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
: I'm trying to remember WHERE they were named. It might have been promotional materials. It's not in the booklet, I know that... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I theeeeeenk it might've been in one of the pre-mission "briefings" that came up before you started each level. Level... three, I want to say? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, then I just haven't played it enough to get that info. Thanks!
:::Was there anything of value at all in the booklet that I'm missing out on? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

ok, but what about those pages that are wanted?

you can't say a whole lot about say the third episode of Five Faces of Darkness can you?

other than that, what do you think of my wording?

and btw, theres a weird random page about weather in london but wasn't deleted, joke I'm not aware of maybe?
--[[User:DracoJesi|DracoJesi]] 18:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload issues==
Are you having any problems with image uploads? For some reason the wiki isn't uploading my images onto the server. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Twirl toy image==
Can you upload a photo of her robot and vehicle modes? Preferably against a 'neutral' background to fit with the rest of the toy pics. She is too awesome to go without toy photos, methinks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==Megatron's Brazilian Voice Actor==
Howdy ho! Hey, you said that the information about Megatron's voice actor in the film was on the wrong place when i put it on his page.
Where would be the right place?
I was thinking that maybe if i mentioned that José Santacruz plays a REALLY monstrous Megs, much similar to the one Hugo Weaving did, maybe it could go where i originally intended?
Thanks for the time.--[[User:akumateukuma|akumateukuma]] 11:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Rartorata==
I don't really appreciate the "fuck you" in your edit summary, Siph. After the last round of discussion in October I thought -- due to lack of voiced disagreement -- that the names were going to be toned down to just ones that sound at least slightly like his real name, which personally I consider quite important. I reverted an anonymous change to the article which went against that "rule", and now you're cursing me out. That is quite uncool. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Create-A-Bot's Alt-modes==

I'm currently reworking the format and putting it in a more relevant form. It's not that it isn't important, but that the method in which it was added was inappropriate. I believe the original version went something like this.

"Just like his heroic counterpart, Create-A-Bot can adapt into numerous forms that can change his status, but several of his forms cannot be accessed in the game, but can be obtained by WiFi points by visiting the official Activition website. The altmodes are..."

and then listed them in a long and hard to read cluster. This not only is confusing, but also give the impression that ALL of the alt-modes have to be unlocked. So, instead of having a list, I am going to add an easier to read section in each article.

- ''Update'': The sections have been finished and added. Sorry about before, I guess I just forgot to leave a message on the Discussion page about it. -- [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Prowl Redirect ==

The wiki's lack of warning strikes again. I have made certain to preview every edit I do, looking for a warning that I'm editing an outdated version of the page. While I was making that edit, you redirected the page. When I previewed my edit, it gave no warning that anything had changed, so I submitted it—which undid the move. At least the new redirect included my clean-up...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Robot Heroes ==

There are clear packaging pics of all that are on TFW2005 (I think, I went from Seibertron.com). Not sure where from, but it isn't like they've been secretly leaked to me.

[[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

: So... stolen. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's some links, right here

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=161976

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=8828&dispsize=800&start=0

http://seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12219

Anyone and their mother can see them. I see nowhere that they've been stolen and find it hard to believe Hasbro wouldn't have seen the pics after a day or two, considering Stealth Bumblebee. We've seen Cheetor, Rattrap, and Megatron before anyway. I'm leaving them there. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:We've seen them because they were ''stooooooooooooooolen''. They have ''noooot'' been officially announced by Hasbro or any official sales solicitations anywhere. Therefore, they are not to be put on this wiki until they are. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

We saw the prototypes (Not Blackarachnia) months ago. They've been on this Wiki with the exception of Blackarachnia for months. If I absolutly cannot add her and the confirmed lineups, I will change it back to the way it was before. The protos have been and still are available for the rest and have been for months. I think, THINK they were from Botcon, but I'm unsure. Comic-Con? [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, several were shown at Botcon 2007; maybe at Comic-Con too, I dunno. But for the ones that weren't, our own policy (specifically [[Help:Coming_soon]] ) means we need to leave them alone until there's something official. Without a hard and fast policy, there's no fair way to declare what should and shouldn't be here when gray areas arise. Besides which, we're not trying to be a news site. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that a good compromise? There is no info there that seems unacceptable to me. I apologize for getting off on the wrong foot. The article on Smash Bros. Brawl on Wikipedia has made me defensive. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 03:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==You don't get to annoy and rule-break your way back to good graces.==
Unless you're me, that is. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

==Weird bootleg minicons==
Are you still looking for the various KO minicons? A store by me has the purple/yellow Star Saber team, the constructicon-esque Military team, and the weird combining remolds, if you're still interested. Also, they have inexplicably huge amounts of WCW Nitro cologne. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Anchors==
Have you noticed that each anchor line inserts a new blank line into the page formatting? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:I see four choices: 1) accept the extra blank formatting line, 2) put the anchors at the end of the last line of the preceding section, 3) dirty up the code by replacing the blank formatting lines with the anchor template lines, or 4) put the anchor code at the end of the "title" section it anchors to, which may result in the page link manifesting with its section title scrolled off the screen. For OP G1, for the purposes of getting my Stormbringer trivia edit in, I'm going with 2, for now. I'll fix it when we've got a decision. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 03:15, 14 February 2008 (EST)

== Telemocha episodes ==

Let's see,
:TM-01 Primal: 02
:TM-02 Megatron: 04
:TM-03 Cheetor: 05
:TM-04 Waspinator: 06
:TM-05 Dinobot: 09
:TM-06 Blackarachnia: 10
:TM-07 Corada: 11
:TM-08 Arcadis: 20
:TM-09 Rhinox: 03
:TM-10 Wolfang: 08
:TM-11 Tigatron: 07
:TM-12 Gimlet: 12
:TM-13 Motorarm: 21
:TM-SP Primal: 01 & 15
:TM-SP Megatron: 13 & 14

So far, that's episodes 1-15, 20, and 21 --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

== New Mini-Con ==

Just a heads-up: If you haven't heard yet, there's another Mini-Con/Micron store exclusive due from Japan. Starting March 13, the first 10 customers to buy J-release TF Classics toys at any Toys "R" Us get a free Skyglide, a red recolor of Steelwind from the Clear Skies Team, probably meant to homage Powerglide. (This is from ''Figure King'' #121, according to Autobase Aichi. I don't think there are any images in the article.) I'm not sure where this info should be put into the wiki. There doesn't seem to be enough info to set up an article of its own yet. A "coming soon" notice on the main Mini-Con page until we know more, maybe?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Mech Version ==

I tried a Google search and didn't find anything right off. I DID find Yahoo Japan auction listings which listed it in kana as メッキ, which is definitely "chromed" and not "mech". Point me to the site, please?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
: That's the kana on TakaraTomy's page for the set http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/other/index.html ... but isn't that kana "Meh-(shorten next)-ki"? "Mech"? Wouldn't "chromed" be an entirely different set of kana? The ones used for "Chromebite"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::No. Check it out by copy-pasting the katakana into the translation box at Jim Breen's. While クローム isn't unknown in Japan (Heck, it's what they call Stylor), the general term for chrome-plated parts is メッキ. (Technically, it's 鍍金 or 滅金, but perhaps because those can also be pronounced "tokin" and mean "pretense", it's usually rendered in katakana.) I first figured that by seeing it used in instructions for snap-together model kits which included such pieces. "Mech" is usually rendered メカ, as in short for "mechanism".--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Heroes of Cybertron Cat? ==

Hey, are you going to populate a Heroes of Cybertron category? Dirge currently is all alone there, and I was about to delete the cat from his page to help clean up the Wanted Cats page. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
: Why the fuck would you delete it? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: First of all, I'm here to discuss the matter ''before'' I do anything rash, so I don't think I deserve the swearing. Chill.
:: Second of all, I considered deleting the link to the cat because the cat doesn't exist, and there's no demonstrable desire for it to exist, as shown by the fact that there's only one article in it.
:: But, third, if you were intending to fill out the category, so that it reaches the minimum number of entries we require to justify a category, I fully support you in that. I'm just asking if that's your plan, or if you expect other people to take care of it. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==this may sound awkward...==
r u a guy or a girl? if it says anywhere on ur talk page, i just kinda skimmed thru it.i always assumed u were a girl, but decided not 2 call u 1. if u know what happened last time [[User:Inferno'sQueen|someone's]] gender was mistaken. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 20:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
: Yes, he is a girl. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::You can tell by Sipher's pink armor plating.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:If he's a girl, then he's in serious need of [[Greg Sepelak|electrolysis]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== "lay odds?" ==

what odds? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:y'know, ya still haven't answered the question..[[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::And yet by pestering him, ''you'' have.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:::huh? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 19:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Soundwave edits by 143.239.7.2 ==

Okay, the whole Gurren Lagan/gattai history business is drawing parallels that are either speculative or outside the intended scope of the wiki. (A note might be made somewhere of Soundwave's combining method, though. Is it unique within TF lore?) However, why excise the directly TF-related material—i.e., noting the homages to the original Soundwave?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's the section Sipher removed due to (as I believe he put it) being "blatantly obvious."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

==Scourge Edit==

That's the second time that my trivia post for RiD Scourge was deleted. It's a valid point, and I dunno why you guys are refusing to allow it, especially since there seems to be no qualms on here with making tranny jokes about Override or Airazor. Kind of hypocritical, ne?
[[User:64.13.101.210|64.13.101.210]] 23:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
: No, not at all. Because Airazor and Override did legitimately, officially change genders in translation. Scourge... drumroll... ''has always been male, and has never ever ever been officially hinted as having the remotest female whatever ever''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, I'm spamming ==

Canvassing a few talkpages here so we can get folks to weigh in and finalize the potential Wiki image policy. Your input would be appreciated at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Images]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== blocking help ==

Lets just say a acount has been blocked, and I cant even edit my talk page. Could you
tell me whats up. [[User:F1 fan|F1 fan]] 04:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== Please Provide More Details ==
...as to why you removed the army building reference in the Starscream clone article. A simple rephrasing could have eliminated any problems you have with the word "Clearly". I dont mean to seem bitchy/pushy, but I really think that it was a good contribution to the article. [[Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)]] --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

==Ironhide==
I read your thing about Botcon, very interesting. But the chances that Ironhide's southern accent doesn't originate from Cullen's are very low indeed. If you listen to the two voices, Ironhide's voice in Animated has a slightly different style. The most likely explanation is that the idea of the accent was taken from Cullen's 'Hide, while the sound of the accent was modelled on the other guys. And both should be noted in page. Something like "The idea of a southern accent is most likely based on G1 Ironhide, however the particular variant/vernacular(whatever) is based on such and such". [[User:GWolfv2]] 19.20 May 31st
: No. I'm goddamn sick of over-reaching desperate "THIS MUST BE GEEWUN REFERENCE". Especially when we're talking about an analogue to a G1 character... at BEST, it's "no shit, Sherlock" (you mean a guy based on G1 Ironhide has slightly-G1-Ironhide-like traits?! NOOO!), at worst, it's a desperate grab for a non-reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh...well, I said my piece...nice to know you're keeping your head and not getting worked up over nothing btw [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.01 May 31st
:::Nice to know you're supporting the spread of idiotic misinformation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

As the only staff member online at the moment as far as I know, can you make a decision about the latest Animated episode's title? We have two separate groups of editors working on two different articles for this episode. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:31, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Original photo watermark ==

Hey, I'm working on finishing cleaning up the Magmatron photos I took before the crash. Do you still have that TFWiki watermark template handy?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:07, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

for fixing up the Stormbringer description I did. I think my original edit summary was lost, but I had basically only done that because I thought it was important in explaining why Optimus got over feeling unworthy - and you summed it up a lot better than I ever could.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:38, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

==Yo==
[[Image_talk:Alt-toy_AiKuruma.jpg]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:48, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Vandalism warning ==

Guess who's back. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:42, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Awesome job, man. ==
{{gigantionaward}}
Really love the style you're doing the Micromaster Combiner toy photos in. Nicely done.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:22, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
: I concur. I think you deserve one of those prizes for services to the wiki. Excellent, excellent work. Keep it up! 08:10, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, I proposed the TFWiki Funbux as our official monetary reward. I too concur on a great you did. I especially like how you indication which half is which character in the combined vehicle pics. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:35, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I actually made what amounts to a TFWiki "barnstar" once. And yep, Siph deserves it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 09:13, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Showdown translations==
Hey, Sipher. Just to save you time and a headache, I already translated the Showdown names, they're at [[Japanese ID number list#Beast Wars]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:01, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Linkage ==

I just wanted to thank you for going in and adding the megadata (like pub data) to the Linkage articles... I was trying to figure out when it was published yesterday, and I had to go back to some of your original ''usenet'' posts to confirm it spanned 2003 and 2004. (I suspected it did... but you know... that's not the same as being sure.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

BTW, I'm curious as to why you have them as <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 3]]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 6]]</nowiki>, and such, because that makes me think we'll be directing to the DVDs themselves... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:33, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
:Because we ''will'' be, like I said when I reverted them? The individual DVDs totally should have their own articles. I think it's stupid to NOT have articles on the individual home releases of whatever. If we have articles on trade paperbacks, we should have articles on the home videos. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::Ah. My bad. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 05:33, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

[http://members.fortunecity.com/msipher/transform/linkage/linkage.html Your site], linked from the [[Linkage (comic)|Linkage articles]], seems to be down/gone. Is there an alternate? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 14:48, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

== Hey, ==

Is "Image:PsychoOrb-toy.jpg" one of yours? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:46, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:Yes. I actually have a shadowless, watermarked version of that... and several others... that I just haven't gotten around to uploading. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:35, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== IDW Dates ==

To answer your question... while the solicitations of course give an idea of what will come out at ''some'' point during a month, usually we only get one month's worth of specific dates around the end of the previous month/beginning of that month via Tipton's blog and IDW's newsletter.

...so I guess the short answer is "no, we don't have specific dates for December or January stuff yet". Although we should get November's dates soon. I guess we could put in question-marked placeholders based on the solicitations... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:27, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Returns airdates ==

[http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html The site] Jon T referred me to had all the listings and from what I could tell going by the months I know the show premiered in Japan, plus the consistency between the airdates, it all looks legit to me. So I scrolled through each month, matched up the Japanese titles with the ones on this site to make sure the Japanese and Western episode orders were the same, and here are all the original Japanese airdates for the series:

*The Reformatting 2004/11/ 6
*Master of the House 2004/11/ 7
*Fires of the Past 2004/11/13
*Mercenary Pursuits 2004/11/14
*Forbidden Fruit 2004/11/20
*The Weak Component 2004/11/21
*Revelations Part I: Discovery 2004/11/27
*Revelations Part II: Descent 2004/11/28
*Revelations Part III: Apocalypse 2004/12/ 4
*Survivor 2004/12/ 5
*The Key 2004/12/11
*The Catalyst 2004/12/12
*End of the Line 2004/12/18
*Fallout 2004/12/19
*Savage Noble 2004/12/25
*Prometheus Unbound 2004/12/26
*In Darkest Knight 2005/ 1/ 1
*A Wolf in the Fold 2005/ 1/ 2
*Home Soil 2005/ 1/ 8
*Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike 2005/ 1/ 9
*Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search 2005/ 1/15
*Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege 2005/ 1/16
*Spark of Darkness 2005/ 1/22
*Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral 2005/ 1/23
*Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall 2005/ 1/29
*Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future 2005/ 1/30

Have at them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:19, 19 December 2009 (EST)

==Kiss Purge==
Good show on the Kiss Player == HORRIBLE purge. Some people (read: most people) don't seem to understand restraint.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:54, 2 March 2010 (EST)

==FemTF article==
Ehrm, sorry if I am being pushy, but some time ago you said you wanted to take a look at what you could improve on [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|my draft XXL]] for a new femTF page. I'll have finished up education duties in about a week and would like to continue and finally be done with the damn thing, so if it's possible you can take a look at it by then/around that time, I'd be really grateful. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:41, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

== Pst ==

There's a link to "Mass delete" at the bottom of the list of [[Special:Specialpages]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Edits ==

So overall, I saw several minor adjustments to the pages I made today, and I've noted them for any pages I make in the future. I didn't see any major revisions, though. Are the pages I did mostly okay, as long as I keep an eye out for the things you had to come behind me and fix? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 23:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

== Crankstart and suffering... ==

http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Crankstart&diff=prev&oldid=461445

*retires to a safe distance* :p - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 22:51, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
: [[Transformers_Wiki:Caption#Captions_and_jokes_we.27re_sick_of]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:04, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

== Silas and meltdown ==

The MECH agent piloting the helicopter outright said that the D.N.G.S. didn't meltdown after Prime's trailer was destroyed by the Vehicons. So Silas does know about the meltdown thing. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:22, 5 March 2011 (EST)
:There's a world of difference between knowing a radioactive thing will meltdown and knowing that it would be a ''five-state'' meltdown. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:28, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Congrats ==

You nabbed my obvious sock.

And ''only'' my obvious sock. The not-so-obvious one is still out there, waiting to be found.....

-Blackout-

==Divebomb==
Naw, that's Space Case again. You can ''juuust'' see the blue snakeskin grid deco alongside his cockpit. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:13, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

==Khon==
In "Dungeons & Dinobots", would Khon be a new location or a typo of Kaon? (P.S., please say the former) [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 10:05, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== ... ==

What constant steam of negativity? <strike>And a death ray is really negative!!</strike> [[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 12:05, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

== Spam ==

Does [[User talk:Dynamic|THIS]] count as Spam?--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 13:18, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

==Albitron==
You wouldn't happen to know what magazines MiB advertised Albitron and Swoop in, would you? Tracking those down to get scans of them seems like something to do. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 19:15, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

== Power Core Combiners ==

Just a shout out, I love your PCC fig pics, they look awesome! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 11:05, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:On [[Heavytread (PCC)|Heavytread]], the prehistoric comment was a joke in reference to his instrux pairing him up with the dinobots limbs.[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 00:51, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

== Quizno's Talking Oven... ==

I totally agree with your opinion on that commercial. [[Special:Contributions/50.36.116.49|50.36.116.49]] 14:51, 12 December 2011 (EST)

== Woah woah woah, why revert my "Minicon" edits? ==

In the Aligned universe the spelling for the word is "Minicon" rather than "Mini-Con" why would you undo all that since we have EVIDENCE presented in the novels of the spelling? It's the same thing as "Dino" vs "Mirage" for the specific forms of fiction. It's changed as it is presented, and in this case "Minicon" is the correct one. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 20:44, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:Because we've had misparsed words showing in official TF side-items for many years (BlackArachnia, anyone?), and frankly, I don't trust Alex Irvine to get anything right. The odds of the spelling showing up on Hasbro packaging as "Minicon" are pretty low, and until we see Hasbro PROEPER use it consistently, then we're going with what Hasbro PROPER has used. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:51, 2 February 2012 (EST)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for banning that asshat. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 11:26, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

== Darkness Rising, Part 5 ==
Why did the edit about Miko and Soundwave taking pictures of each other get reverted? I'm not raging, just asking so I should know what to post and what not to post under References. [[Special:Contributions/78.128.95.132|78.128.95.132]] 18:27, 8 August 2012 (EDT)
: Because that was not a reference. That was a coincidence. Not all similarities are references. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 8 August 2012 (EDT)

==Arc caption==
Was the joke unclear? Because in either case, I don't particularly favor the femmephobic joke you put there. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:"Femmephobic"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:30, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::There's a thing called Google. But it comes down to lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women, because it's seen as inferior. This wiki is way past just pointing out stereotypes - it's actively participating in femmephobia with its propensity for remarks about the color pink (among mány other things). In particular, *I* hate pink jokes around TFP Arcee, and therefore also Arc, because Arcee's usual color was not altered for her, but for Jack, so he would not be lowered for associating with feminine attributes.
::My joke tried to play into the fact that she is a knife and that Transformer 'blood' (energon, right?) is pink. It wasn't perhaps the best formulated or particularly funny, but at least it wasn't problematic either.
::So, I ask you to at least leave the caption blank if my joke wasn't good. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:45, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::What a steaming pile you've plopped down there, and how ''dare'' you. You'll pardon me if I find that giving Arcee a Micron partner that's pink, ''literally'' has stiletto heels, a heart for a face, and hands sculpted in that splayed-out palms-to-the-floor tee-hee pose just a ''wee'' bit out of place. Combine that with her on-show personality, which is more or less a "diva" and a love target for various characters, and it's a parade of sad cliches, shoving her into the trope of "GIRLY GIRL PINK GIRL" being her only character trait. Which I find dreadful, not because "pink + girl = auto-bad forever", but because hey, sometimes, a female character ''doesn't need to be pink and girly''. There are lots of ways to be a girl. Defaulting the '''''only''''' female character in the lot to nothing more than pink-and-pretty is bluntly insulting. Arcee is feminine without being a pile of "gender-normative" cliches. To see Arc backslide so far is disappointing at best.
:::It has nothing, ''nothing'' to do with "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior", as you so idiotically put it, and EVERYTHING to do with it seemingly being THE ONLY ROLE OPTION FOR FEMALES AS DECIDED UPON BY PREDOMINANTLY MALE-RUN ENTERPRISES AND AIMED AT A PREDOMINANTLY YOUNG MALE AUDIENCE. ''THAT'', if you ask me, is the REAL "lack of appreciation".
:::And I'd really, ''really'' love a source on your claim as to how pink would "lower" Jack and THAT being the reason for Arcee's coloration.
:::(And by the way, energon is ''light blue'' in Prime. Which would have been a far better choice of colors for Arc. still wouldn't have solved the sculpting issues though.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:26, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::How ''dare'' I? Oh, excuse me, male person. I, as female person, should not have assumed to know anything about the female identity and its stereotypes and how they should be talked about without creating further harm. I mean, it's not like I could have first-hand experience. And the fact I left this wiki over a year ago partially because of the heterosexual (cis)male entitlement here is also something I must've dreamed up. Apologies. How dare I?
::::I give you [http://parrotbeak.tumblr.com/post/30725648699/crowd-about-arcee-how-come-in-the-old-one-she this] as my evidence for the Jack = blue claim.
::::That energon is blue in TFP is a good argument against my joke, though. Still not one in favor of yours. If all those other things bother you about Arc as well, why not comment on any of thém? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:40, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". You came out with the presumption of the ''worst'' possible reason, using charged language, so yes. Offense is going to be taken. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Geewunling, you need to understand the difference between trends in gender perception across society as a whole and the choices of individuals. Yes, society is ruled by males and these males have decided for everyone what "feminine" means. But this is charting a trend. It's something you can only measure as a pile of thousands or millions of choices. You cannot draw these same insidious conclusions from one person, and you can't accuse one person of committing the crime that an entire society perpetuates. For example, one movie that doesn't pass the Bechdel Test isn't sexist, but most movies not passing the Bechdel Test is indicative of a sexist society. You are making that mistake here. You may know more about being female than a male because you are a female, but you don't know more about Sipher's motivations in creating a caption than he does, for that same reason. Instead, you've decided to mark him and his actions unfavorably by assuming his motivations are synonymous with All Males Everywhere. And because of this, you have accused him of hating girls -- not because he's demonstrated that he hates girls, but because he's said something about the color pink. Pink is a complicated color because it's wrapped up in gender roles, and attitudes towards that color can be numerous and contradictory, and it is simply impossible to concentrate those feelings down into an accurate accusation against a lone human being. A feminist could hate or love pink depending on their experiences with the color, and both reactions could be right. It would be wiser to deal with Sipher as an individual with his own thoughts and motivations -- albeit within a sexist society. He is not that society. Remember that when dealing with other people. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:23, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::To M Sipher (and ItsWalky for the defense): I called the joke femmephobic, not you. And even if I would've called you femmephobic, I did not say anything about intent. It has little to do with 'reasons', and all the more with a system of conventions that are tough to make visible.
::::::Do I mind a pink joke or think less of the person who made it? No. Do I feel upset about having seen (and changed) some thirty+ jokes around here about male characters/men being not worth basic consideration for dressing in pink, about female characters/women ''not'' having pink in their look (which adds to the stereotype where it is averted), and female characters/women in pink being inherently inferior to ones who aren't? A little. And I can give you the full list if you want me to. It just is not about you, it's about everything.
::::::All I ask for is a different joke, one that doesn't serve to rebuild a collection I've tried to kill off. If only because repetitive jokes are a reading enjoyment-killer.
::::::P.S., ItsWalky, don't assume I don't know feminism. It's condescending and kind of a weird assumption given the conversation so far. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:39, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::At no point did I assume you didn't know feminism. In fact, I wrote my entire spiel with the exact opposite assumption. The term "cisgendered" isn't exactly thrown around by the unequipped. If I wrote at-length or in great detail, it's because this topic is complicated and this is not a private conversation between you and I, plus I thought explaining my thoughts plainly and clearly was better than being curt and snarky. Once again you assume the worst in others without first attempting to understand them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::(As an aside, I always assumed Arc was pink merely because those are Arcee's secondary colors.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:36, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Alright, critique withdrawn. I was thrown off by the fairly elaborate explanation of the Bechdel Test and color pink, and the reassertion I'd been targeting M Sipher rather than, you know, the joke.
::::::::Whereas my request for another joke is standing, I also withdraw concerns for an immediate change. There's a reason I can name all instances of a pink joke on this wiki, and once it's finished I could as well try to kick off a community discussion with it that better communicates the problem. Which is not, and never was, one person/man's doing. Nor did I say that. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:27, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:50, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

== Kickshift ==
Alright, not that I'm trying to accuse you of something and piss you off more than you already are, but do you know anything about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User:AutobotKickshift?oldid=391195 this]? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 20:30, 14 October 2012 (EDT)
:1) Who said I'm pissed off? It takes a LOT more than a run-of-the-mill twit to piss me off. 2) That's Wikia. I don't GO there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:43, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

== Shield Master O.P. A ==

I was lurking at the Allspark, and noticed you made a thread about O.P. A. For your information, the O.P. A you have may be an error. I own the Shield Master set, and my O.P. A has a light-teal/light-blue crystal instead of the medium-blue crystal color of the Cosmotector trio. Hope this helps. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 04:43, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

== Deadlock (episode) ==

Why did you undo my edit on [[Deadlock|this]] page? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 00:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)
: You were adding unnecessary commentary, versus information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
:: Can't you just edit the page, not undoing the edit? Can't we have a little fun here? The page don't need fun, so why you wrote the caption of the pictures with it? My edit is incomplete, why don't you edit and complete it? My grammar is poor, why don't you fix it? My edit is uninformative, why don't you fix the uninformative part? My edit is unnecessary, why don't you ¡UNDO IT AND TELL ME if my edit isn't necessary? My edit is full of mistakes and should be fixed, why don't you ¡FIX IT AND TELL ME so I can make myself better? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 02:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)

== White Ironfist vs. Tan Ironfist ==

I admit I based my note off the screencaps on his page, which seemed to indicate that Fisitron's two biggest portrayals (otherwise known as his only portrayals) replaced the tan of his toy with white. Given that, why remove my note when it seemed to be accurate? Or am I just colour-blind? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:06, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:Because he's tan. I've got LSOTW right in front of me and he is consistently tan. It's a lighter, more desaturated tan, but EVERYONE'S colors are lighter and desaturated. That's IDW's look. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:13, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::Ah, okay. Guess that's my bad for trying to extrapolate a pattern without having the comics on hand. So much for contributing outside of reverting anonymous morons and the occasional caption...he is still white in WoH, though, right? Can I take consolation in being half-right? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:49, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:::He is very white in WoH. But, yeah, tan in LSOTW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:54, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::::Righto. Complaint withdrawn. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 04:36, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

== Divide and Conquer ==

I believe it to be a deliberate reference, but if this has been discussed and decided against, that's fair enough; It being deleted with reason is fine by me, but deletion of something I deemed valid without reasons given understandably led me to add it again. Also, i'd rather a more diplomatic approach than just 'do not post this again'-like I said, I was unaware that I was in error. --[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 23:47, 4th September 2013
:The reason was given TWICE, and you added it again afterward anyway. And no, this wiki is not in the habit of listing every vague coincidence as intentional reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:57, 4 September 2013 (EDT)

I've already said that I understand that decision. I'm a newcomer here, so i'll take this opportunity to apologise for irritating behaviour but also plead ignorance in that I didn't know better. Despite accepting that I may have accidentally caused irritation, I have to admit that your reaction has been a bit arsey and very newcomer-unfriendly.--[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 01:21, 4th September 2013

== Soundwave ==

I find your decision to remove my comment on Soundwave being present during PR due to being 'unnecessary' odd, to be honest. How many entries under notes sections are 'necessary'? I found this to be of interest, and interest is subjective. What I said was not incorrect, nor did it present a problem. I think you've made an unfair decision here. Can you really delete other people's contributions based on what you think is interesting?
:Soundwave is completely absent from the movie, thoroughly irrelevant to the plot in every respect. It'd be like commenting on the lack of humans, Airachnid, Insecticons or Decepticon miners. We don't remark on the absences of cast members unless said absence poses continuity issues. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:58, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

Your response was pretty definitive, and I'm not trying to be obnoxious by continuing this, but my point was that he probably was present; it was a 'Soundwave is actually there the whole time' comment, not vice versa. However,another contributor has since pointed out that, as we can't be sure of Soundwave's actions between the movie and the episode, his whereabouts can't be proved and so my comment was speculative, which to my mind is reason enough to not include it, but I found your reasoning less understandable.
I appreciate that it was an inconsequential bit of trivia, but then many of the notes on this wiki seem equally, if not less trivial, so i'm wondering what constitutes acceptable notes? [[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]]

== Re:Random Kreon in Beast Hunters set? ==

I'm not sure. The scan of the instructions the guy posted showed it had a different color scheme from the first Kreon version of Knock Out. But if it does turn out to be random, feel free to remove it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 20:35, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

== Hero Mashers ==

I think you have to clarify more than "Fuck this noise" when you're merging all the Hero Mashers back despite them having their own universal stream cluster. Canon's not really on your side. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:08, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
:I left the (HM) pages intact so "canon" can be appeased. There's canon, and then there's stupidly obfuscating information by not having blatantly-based-on-specific-iterations-of-characters merch on the relevant pages because of some micro-reference in something the overwhelming majority of readership will basically never see. We do readers a disservice with the latter. I don't like just assuming someone's going to dig through a disambig link chain to maybe find stuff like this, and since we repeat full toy sections for repurposings, I don't see why repeating Hero Mashers or the like would be a problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:15, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
::That's fair enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:16, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

==Intruders==

Are the Intruders who built Medusa the same as the Intruders from G.I. Joe? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:09, 18 July 2015 (EDT)

== Spambots ==

There's another one: [[User:Sdsfs]] -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:24, 3 February 2016 (EST)

==Misdirection==

I tried, i changed the file type, and i did a multiple image upload, so i couldnt give them all a correct discription. Will they be readded, or shall i do them individually? -
Junkheap117
Also, you need to calm your shit. It's just a fucking unofficial website, and you go on like it means the world to you. GET A FUCKING LIFE.
:Guess who's getting a time-out? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:34, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

==Angry Birds Transformers Characters and Accessories==
Thanks for taking the time to fill in information for the Angry Birds Transformers characters.
So far we're still missing comphrehensive profiles for Chuck, Hal, and the Minion Pig seekers. Could you also 'spice up' Red's Ultimate, Nemesis, and Epic Optimus Prime's profiles? (I wrote those profiles, but they're just information basic.)

The current Challenge event is for getting both Bumblebees' accessories, so for this and future events, could you make sure to get the gem costs of the accessories ''before'' getting them with tokens? Or else would take extra replaying from scratch to figure out the what the original gem costs were.

Also, some of the accessories were token-only exclusives, so you may have to change the cost columns for the accessories tables a bit.
--[[User:Woo224|Woo224]] ([[User talk:Woo224|talk]]) 23:14, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

==Uploads==

Hi, im a new user and when i upload an image it says i dont have permission to creat a new page. I have multiple screenshots from the new RID episode but i cant uplaod them, Any ideas? Thanks
--[[User:Hardshell101|Hardshell101]]

== Apology ==

Sorry about disrupting your work on the ''Combiner Wars'' toyline page. I didn't think you had progressed down that far yet. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:25, 2 October 2016 (EDT)

== Hiding pages from Recent Changes? ==

I had no idea my personal page edits were cluttering up the Recent Changes page; my bad. Is it possible for me to just hide everything under my username page from Recent Changes? I just find it much easier to work on individual subsections... but given how many there are it's going to keep cluttering RC until I'm done (and I keep wanting to make tweaks here and there). Thanks. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:52, 27 February 2017 (EST)
:Just noticed the "Minor edit" checkbox; I'll use that from now on for my stuff. Sorry again for my posts. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:54, 27 February 2017 (EST)

== Model Numbers? / Formatting - table vs list==

Hey, I noticed that you've deleted model numbers off of most of the toyline pages, which is very useful information. I registered to place them back in, but after a couple edits I notice that somebody undid them already. Apologies if I went about this wrong, but how can we get the model #'s reinstated onto the collection pages? =)

Also, when you deleted the model numbers for many pages, you converted the formatting from simple straight-down lists to table formats. As a result, everything looks more cluttered and less organized now. With model numbers in place, even though the page may be slightly longer, at least everything looks much more organized in numerical order. Would it be possible to consider putting everything back into straight-down list views? (but keep the improvements, such as the cool new mini-icons, etc.)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:48, 3 March 2017 (EST)
Ok, I suppose that's just cosmetic - but what about model #'s? That's actually functional information, which for some reason was stripped from many of the toyline pages? The only way to view that information now is to go back and look at older page revisions...
::Or you can click the link to the toy where all the toy-specific info goes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:47, 3 March 2017 (EST)
Hey, thanks for your reply - I understand that you can click on each individual link, but it's more convenient for all the information to be collected in one place (particularly with Japanese toylines, for foreign collectors). Anyway, I wrote down some thoughts on the "Transformers Unite Warriors" discussion page, and won't push this any further - was just giving some suggestions from an outside user, which I thought might be helpful. I'll stick to simple edits & corrections from now on, and just appreciate the wiki for what it has to offer - thanks... =)
:::"All the information collected in one place" is called page bloat and over-redundancy, which in the past led to unreadable, ugly, overlong pages that challenged readers to slog through it all. A toyline page is meant to be a broad-strokes overview with links to more detailed pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:59, 4 March 2017 (EST)
I understand what you're saying about excessive information being "bloat", but model numbers are typically only 2-5 characters long and serve greatly to organize information, and provide a look of uniformity to lists; they are such integral pieces of information for many toys (and in many cases, synonymous with their names), particularly for Takara figures from Japan, and especially for collectors working on their collections. For example, Henkei Optimus is C-01 Convoy, United Megatron (the best version from the Classics Voyager mold) is UN-09 Megatron, Transformers Legends Arcee is LG10 Arcee, RobotMasters Optimus w/ DVD is RM-10 Convoy+DVD, Masterpiece Optimus is either MP-1/MP-4 or MP-10, Masterpiece Rodimus is either MP-9 or MP-28, etc. - these figures are referred to as such all over the web, on ebay, in forums, articles, buy/sale/trade lists, etc. For any collector, this information is invaluable and would never be considered as bloat if collected on a wiki toyline information page.

With all due respect (I know you and others have worked very hard on this site!), but if you look at all the pages pre- and post- overhaul where you reformatted into 4-column tables and stripped out model numbers (Transformers Unite Warriors, Transformers Legends (franchise), Transformers United, Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline), Robotmasters (franchise), etc.) - every single one of these pages looked cleaner and better laid out, and with MORE information (ie - model numbers), before the redesign than after. I think I know what you were trying to achieve (I used to work in web dev in a past life), but the current table implementation only looks good when wave distributions are fairly even (the "Transformers: Generations" page looks pretty decent in most places, except for the Japan section); however, in most other instances where waves are unevenly distributed, and information is presented in left-to-right then down fashion, it ends up being a convoluted mess that is more difficult to follow than necessary (due to uneven whitespacing, and having to scan waves left-to-right but then downwards per wave).

In fact, one easy improvement would be if you were to just simply flip the axis and list the waves top-down then right, then everything would read much better and be easier to follow, and would look better with uneven wave distributions (and then if model numbers were reinstated, they would look good as well because they would appear uniform and increase numerically as you're scanning down the lists)*. Another thing to consider - I know that it probably took a bit of effort to standardize on the current 4-column table view, and that uniformity across pages is desirable, but sometimes the one-size-fits-all approach is not necessarily the best. The Unite Warriors page is a pretty good example of this - the new version looks quite scattered, and is actually MORE bloated (in both page size, and vertical scroll area) even though information has been omitted (model #'s). There's no reason why those 12 entries shouldn't just be a simple downwards list like it was before, with just the new insignia mini-icons added (and model #'s intact!).

Anyway, as I said before, I didn't mean to push this any further - I like tfwiki too much, and don't want to risk offending any of you who control the site. I sought only to help and to give some constructive feedback for consideration, from the viewpoint of an outside user who has found the information collected here invaluable, but happened to notice some of the pages being changed for the worse and becoming more difficult to use. Anyway, thanks again for your time & long live tfwiki... =)

(*if there was a way for me to mock up a sample update of one of the pages, and place it somewhere that's not in production, I could should you what I mean, but I don't know how to do that here...)

Robotmasters (franchise)

2017-03-05T06:07:42Z

Fronkinsteen: fix link for Ligier (Mirage)

{{disambig3|Robot Master}}
{{nav-robotmasters}}
{{quote|In 2004, Optimus Prime is alerted to a disturbance at the gates of Autobot City; a force of Decepticons led by a vicious new enemy, a ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' calling himself Megatron!! Autobots and Decepticons from across the eras have converged on this time to clash over the newly-discovered energy source [[solitarium]]!}}

[[File:Robots masters.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Continuity? Pah!]]
'''''Robotmasters''''' is a [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] sub-line which ran from 2004-2005 consisting mainly of [[redeco]]es of previously-released toys with several all-new molds of popular characters thrown into the mix. Every mold created for the line received at least one redeco, and the line itself was the sister range to the U.S.'s own ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'', except designed specifically to sell smaller toys at lower price points.

Most redecos in the line came with new or [[retool]]ed accessories, including some classic-style chromed-silver guns.

The only all-new molds created for toys were of existing characters, and popular ones at that. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal]], [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Megatron]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]], [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]], [[Victory Leo]], and [[Lio Convoy]] were given the star treatment for new, quasi-TV show-specific playthings.

As far as storyline goes, the tale of ''Robotmasters'' was told through packed-in minicomics, brief online mini-comics, 3D diorama comics, and DVDs that came with specific toys as mentioned below. At this time, there are no known plans or even rumors to continue the line, although a Fan's Choice poll was held at a Japanese toy convention around the line's debut that indicated characters like [[Big Convoy]] and [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] were being considered for the ''Robotmasters'' treatment. However, this poll also included the likes of [[Road Rocket (G2)|Road Rocket]], who got a ''Robotmasters'' release anyway, so make of that what you will.

==Media==
The ''Robotmasters'' storyline was told through five outlets:

*[[Robotmasters (cartoon)|A cartoon series]].
*[[Robotmasters (pack-in manga)|A pack-in comic series]].
*[[Robotmasters (online manga)|An online comic series]].
*[[Robotmasters (3D diorama manga)|A 3D diorama comic series]].
*[[Black Body|A prose story told through a series of pamphlets]].

Oddly, each outlet told roughly the same story, but in noticeably ''different'' ways, and with no single version telling the ''Robotmasters'' story in its entirety. Although ''Robotmasters'' was included as part of Takara's official Generation 1 timeline, they were not specific as to ''which'' version of ''Robotmasters'' was considered canon.

==Toys==
<big>'''Regular retail'''</big>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[July 15|7-15]]-[[2004]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Air Hunter#Toys|Air Hunter]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bound Rogue#Toys|Bound Rogue]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|G1 Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersDVD|G1 Convoy]] + DVD}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Ligier]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#Robotmasters|Beast Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Psycho-Orb#Toys|Psycho-Orb]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[R-Blade#Toys|R-Blade]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Wingstun#Toys|Wingstun]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Tow-Line (RID)#Robotmasters|Wrecker Hook]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[August 5|8-5]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#Robotmasters|Beast Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[September 9|9-9]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Gigant Bomb#Toys|Gigant Bomb]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Smokesniper#Toys|Smokesniper]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:RMConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Convoy]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[November 18|11-18]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#Robotmasters 2|Star Saber]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Victory Leo#Robotmasters 2|Victory Leo]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#RMVictorySaber|Victory Saber]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[December 28|12-28]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#RMBURN|Burning Beast Convoy]] + DVD}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Delta Seeker#Toys|Delta Seeker]] vs [[X-Gunner#Toys|X-Gunner]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sideways (RM)#Toys|Double Face]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Road Rocket (G2)#Robotmasters|Road Rocket]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[March 24|3-24]]-[[2005]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Robotmasters_2|Lio Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#RMDVD|Lio Convoy]] + DVD}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[May 26|5-26]]-2005)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Reverse Convoy#Toys|Reverse Convoy]]/[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Rebirth Megatron]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Robotmasters Edition''' ([[August 11|9-11]]-2005)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Skywarp]] & [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Thundercracker]]<ref>The box that Skywarp and Thundercracker come in does not have an "RM-##" number, but the words "Robotmasters Edition" appear in English on both the front of the box and the [[Robot Point]]s.</ref>}}
|}

{{-}}
'''<big>Exclusives'''</big>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Dengeki Hobby'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|G1 Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Black Lio Convoy#Robotmasters|Lio Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[e-HOBBY]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#RMeHobby|Victory Saber Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Figure Ō'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fortress Maximus (RID)#Robotmasters|Cybertron Base]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|Starscream Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Hobby Japan'' magazine'''
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#RMBLACK|Beast Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Robot Masters black starscream.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Starscream Limited Black Version]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''HyperHobby'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|Beast Megatron Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[TV Magazine]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersLuckyDraw|G1 Convoy]] ([[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]])}}
|}

{{-}}

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20070618040111/www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/robotmasters/main2.htm Takara's ''Robotmasters'' homepage]
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20060214114550/actas-inc.co.jp/title/robot.html Actas Inc.] (archived)

[[Category:Generation 1 franchises]]
[[Category:Japanese franchises]]
[[Category:Japanese toylines]]
[[Category:Robotmasters| ]]

Robotmasters (franchise)

2017-03-05T06:04:21Z

Fronkinsteen: fix link for Lio Convoy + DVD

{{disambig3|Robot Master}}
{{nav-robotmasters}}
{{quote|In 2004, Optimus Prime is alerted to a disturbance at the gates of Autobot City; a force of Decepticons led by a vicious new enemy, a ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' calling himself Megatron!! Autobots and Decepticons from across the eras have converged on this time to clash over the newly-discovered energy source [[solitarium]]!}}

[[File:Robots masters.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Continuity? Pah!]]
'''''Robotmasters''''' is a [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] sub-line which ran from 2004-2005 consisting mainly of [[redeco]]es of previously-released toys with several all-new molds of popular characters thrown into the mix. Every mold created for the line received at least one redeco, and the line itself was the sister range to the U.S.'s own ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'', except designed specifically to sell smaller toys at lower price points.

Most redecos in the line came with new or [[retool]]ed accessories, including some classic-style chromed-silver guns.

The only all-new molds created for toys were of existing characters, and popular ones at that. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal]], [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Megatron]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]], [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]], [[Victory Leo]], and [[Lio Convoy]] were given the star treatment for new, quasi-TV show-specific playthings.

As far as storyline goes, the tale of ''Robotmasters'' was told through packed-in minicomics, brief online mini-comics, 3D diorama comics, and DVDs that came with specific toys as mentioned below. At this time, there are no known plans or even rumors to continue the line, although a Fan's Choice poll was held at a Japanese toy convention around the line's debut that indicated characters like [[Big Convoy]] and [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] were being considered for the ''Robotmasters'' treatment. However, this poll also included the likes of [[Road Rocket (G2)|Road Rocket]], who got a ''Robotmasters'' release anyway, so make of that what you will.

==Media==
The ''Robotmasters'' storyline was told through five outlets:

*[[Robotmasters (cartoon)|A cartoon series]].
*[[Robotmasters (pack-in manga)|A pack-in comic series]].
*[[Robotmasters (online manga)|An online comic series]].
*[[Robotmasters (3D diorama manga)|A 3D diorama comic series]].
*[[Black Body|A prose story told through a series of pamphlets]].

Oddly, each outlet told roughly the same story, but in noticeably ''different'' ways, and with no single version telling the ''Robotmasters'' story in its entirety. Although ''Robotmasters'' was included as part of Takara's official Generation 1 timeline, they were not specific as to ''which'' version of ''Robotmasters'' was considered canon.

==Toys==
<big>'''Regular retail'''</big>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[July 15|7-15]]-[[2004]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Air Hunter#Toys|Air Hunter]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bound Rogue#Toys|Bound Rogue]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|G1 Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersDVD|G1 Convoy]] + DVD}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)#Robotmasters|Ligier]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#Robotmasters|Beast Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Psycho-Orb#Toys|Psycho-Orb]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[R-Blade#Toys|R-Blade]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Wingstun#Toys|Wingstun]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Tow-Line (RID)#Robotmasters|Wrecker Hook]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[August 5|8-5]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#Robotmasters|Beast Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[September 9|9-9]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Gigant Bomb#Toys|Gigant Bomb]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Smokesniper#Toys|Smokesniper]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:RMConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Convoy]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[November 18|11-18]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#Robotmasters 2|Star Saber]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Victory Leo#Robotmasters 2|Victory Leo]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#RMVictorySaber|Victory Saber]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[December 28|12-28]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#RMBURN|Burning Beast Convoy]] + DVD}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Delta Seeker#Toys|Delta Seeker]] vs [[X-Gunner#Toys|X-Gunner]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sideways (RM)#Toys|Double Face]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Road Rocket (G2)#Robotmasters|Road Rocket]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[March 24|3-24]]-[[2005]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Robotmasters_2|Lio Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#RMDVD|Lio Convoy]] + DVD}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[May 26|5-26]]-2005)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Reverse Convoy#Toys|Reverse Convoy]]/[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Rebirth Megatron]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Robotmasters Edition''' ([[August 11|9-11]]-2005)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Skywarp]] & [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Thundercracker]]<ref>The box that Skywarp and Thundercracker come in does not have an "RM-##" number, but the words "Robotmasters Edition" appear in English on both the front of the box and the [[Robot Point]]s.</ref>}}
|}

{{-}}
'''<big>Exclusives'''</big>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Dengeki Hobby'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|G1 Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Black Lio Convoy#Robotmasters|Lio Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[e-HOBBY]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#RMeHobby|Victory Saber Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Figure Ō'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fortress Maximus (RID)#Robotmasters|Cybertron Base]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|Starscream Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Hobby Japan'' magazine'''
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#RMBLACK|Beast Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Robot Masters black starscream.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Starscream Limited Black Version]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''HyperHobby'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|Beast Megatron Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[TV Magazine]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersLuckyDraw|G1 Convoy]] ([[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]])}}
|}

{{-}}

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20070618040111/www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/robotmasters/main2.htm Takara's ''Robotmasters'' homepage]
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20060214114550/actas-inc.co.jp/title/robot.html Actas Inc.] (archived)

[[Category:Generation 1 franchises]]
[[Category:Japanese franchises]]
[[Category:Japanese toylines]]
[[Category:Robotmasters| ]]

Robotmasters (franchise)

2017-03-05T06:03:27Z

Fronkinsteen: fix link for Lio Convoy

{{disambig3|Robot Master}}
{{nav-robotmasters}}
{{quote|In 2004, Optimus Prime is alerted to a disturbance at the gates of Autobot City; a force of Decepticons led by a vicious new enemy, a ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' calling himself Megatron!! Autobots and Decepticons from across the eras have converged on this time to clash over the newly-discovered energy source [[solitarium]]!}}

[[File:Robots masters.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Continuity? Pah!]]
'''''Robotmasters''''' is a [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] sub-line which ran from 2004-2005 consisting mainly of [[redeco]]es of previously-released toys with several all-new molds of popular characters thrown into the mix. Every mold created for the line received at least one redeco, and the line itself was the sister range to the U.S.'s own ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'', except designed specifically to sell smaller toys at lower price points.

Most redecos in the line came with new or [[retool]]ed accessories, including some classic-style chromed-silver guns.

The only all-new molds created for toys were of existing characters, and popular ones at that. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal]], [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Megatron]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]], [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]], [[Victory Leo]], and [[Lio Convoy]] were given the star treatment for new, quasi-TV show-specific playthings.

As far as storyline goes, the tale of ''Robotmasters'' was told through packed-in minicomics, brief online mini-comics, 3D diorama comics, and DVDs that came with specific toys as mentioned below. At this time, there are no known plans or even rumors to continue the line, although a Fan's Choice poll was held at a Japanese toy convention around the line's debut that indicated characters like [[Big Convoy]] and [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] were being considered for the ''Robotmasters'' treatment. However, this poll also included the likes of [[Road Rocket (G2)|Road Rocket]], who got a ''Robotmasters'' release anyway, so make of that what you will.

==Media==
The ''Robotmasters'' storyline was told through five outlets:

*[[Robotmasters (cartoon)|A cartoon series]].
*[[Robotmasters (pack-in manga)|A pack-in comic series]].
*[[Robotmasters (online manga)|An online comic series]].
*[[Robotmasters (3D diorama manga)|A 3D diorama comic series]].
*[[Black Body|A prose story told through a series of pamphlets]].

Oddly, each outlet told roughly the same story, but in noticeably ''different'' ways, and with no single version telling the ''Robotmasters'' story in its entirety. Although ''Robotmasters'' was included as part of Takara's official Generation 1 timeline, they were not specific as to ''which'' version of ''Robotmasters'' was considered canon.

==Toys==
<big>'''Regular retail'''</big>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[July 15|7-15]]-[[2004]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Air Hunter#Toys|Air Hunter]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bound Rogue#Toys|Bound Rogue]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|G1 Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersDVD|G1 Convoy]] + DVD}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)#Robotmasters|Ligier]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#Robotmasters|Beast Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Psycho-Orb#Toys|Psycho-Orb]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[R-Blade#Toys|R-Blade]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Wingstun#Toys|Wingstun]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Tow-Line (RID)#Robotmasters|Wrecker Hook]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[August 5|8-5]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#Robotmasters|Beast Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Starscream]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[September 9|9-9]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Gigant Bomb#Toys|Gigant Bomb]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Smokesniper#Toys|Smokesniper]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:RMConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Convoy]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[November 18|11-18]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#Robotmasters 2|Star Saber]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Victory Leo#Robotmasters 2|Victory Leo]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#RMVictorySaber|Victory Saber]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[December 28|12-28]]-2004)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#RMBURN|Burning Beast Convoy]] + DVD}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Delta Seeker#Toys|Delta Seeker]] vs [[X-Gunner#Toys|X-Gunner]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sideways (RM)#Toys|Double Face]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Road Rocket (G2)#Robotmasters|Road Rocket]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[March 24|3-24]]-[[2005]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Robotmasters_2|Lio Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Robotmasters|Lio Convoy]] + DVD}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[May 26|5-26]]-2005)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Reverse Convoy#Toys|Reverse Convoy]]/[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Rebirth Megatron]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Robotmasters Edition''' ([[August 11|9-11]]-2005)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Skywarp]] & [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Robotmasters|Thundercracker]]<ref>The box that Skywarp and Thundercracker come in does not have an "RM-##" number, but the words "Robotmasters Edition" appear in English on both the front of the box and the [[Robot Point]]s.</ref>}}
|}

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'''<big>Exclusives'''</big>

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Dengeki Hobby'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|G1 Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Black Lio Convoy#Robotmasters|Lio Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[e-HOBBY]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#RMeHobby|Victory Saber Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Figure Ō'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fortress Maximus (RID)#Robotmasters|Cybertron Base]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|Starscream Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Hobby Japan'' magazine'''
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#RMBLACK|Beast Convoy Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Robot Masters black starscream.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Starscream Limited Black Version]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''HyperHobby'' magazine'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#RobotmastersBlack|Beast Megatron Limited Black Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[TV Magazine]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#RobotmastersLuckyDraw|G1 Convoy]] ([[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]])}}
|}

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==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20070618040111/www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/robotmasters/main2.htm Takara's ''Robotmasters'' homepage]
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20060214114550/actas-inc.co.jp/title/robot.html Actas Inc.] (archived)

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User talk:M Sipher

2017-03-05T05:59:16Z

Fronkinsteen:

AMBIGUITY IS THE FLAVOR OR LIFE!

YOU WOULD ROB US OF OUR MYSTERIES!

Dumping everything written was not required, unless Wikipedia automatically saves what I have written somewhere.

==Autobot Officer==

Uh. Oopsies? Didn't know you were getting pics, too. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Americanised spelling ==
Hi there, PacifistPrime the originator of the [[Scale]] article here. Thanks for cleaning up some of the typos. However, is it really neccessary to "correct" all my spelling by changing it to Americanised spelling? Is there actually a rule here that one has to use American spelling instead of, well... to be frank: the way the rest of world's users of the English Language spell? No offence intended, just asking. Let me know. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:I would think "yes", since this is an Amerocentric wiki and consistency looks professional. I don't realistically believe we'll ever achieve that because there are too many people from too many regions contributing, and further there are a lot of variations in how people type regardless of what area they're from. I can't stand putting two spaces between sentences, but I wouldn't be offended if someone changed a page I worked on to use them. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==What edit are you talking about?==
If you're talking about my submission about Blackarachnia's telekinesis, it is NOT baseless speculation; she did use telekinesis in Master Blaster against Rampage, and although they never said where she got it, it is very likely that the psychic link she had with Tarantulas was upgraded during her Transmetalization. Watch the episode; you'll see Blackarachnia's eyes glow green, levitate an I-beam, and fling it at Rampage. The episode was right after Crossing the Rubicon (where Blackarachnia became a TM2), and 18 episodes after Tangled Web, when Blackarachnia forced Tarantulas to terminate their mind link after four episodes (and in case you want to contest it, Other Visits made a mention of the mind link, and how it worked both ways, meaning that BA had some remnants of the link, at the very least some of Tarantulas' memories, if not some other side effects).[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 15:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not Sipher, but I agree that it's speculation that doesn't belong here. Her glowing eyes echo the glowing tendrils involved in Cheetor's TM2-ification. It's a Transmetal 2 thing, and I see nothing whatsoever to connect it with the former mental link she shared with Tarantulas. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Beast Wars Video Game ==

Hey Siph- I finally picked up a copy of the BW Game off e-bay (the original snap I made was from the demo.)

I'm nto very far into it (finding time this summer is tough) but thus far there's been no mention of the Skriix. Were they named in the game booklet or something? ('cuz i lack the booklet.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
: I'm trying to remember WHERE they were named. It might have been promotional materials. It's not in the booklet, I know that... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I theeeeeenk it might've been in one of the pre-mission "briefings" that came up before you started each level. Level... three, I want to say? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, then I just haven't played it enough to get that info. Thanks!
:::Was there anything of value at all in the booklet that I'm missing out on? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

ok, but what about those pages that are wanted?

you can't say a whole lot about say the third episode of Five Faces of Darkness can you?

other than that, what do you think of my wording?

and btw, theres a weird random page about weather in london but wasn't deleted, joke I'm not aware of maybe?
--[[User:DracoJesi|DracoJesi]] 18:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload issues==
Are you having any problems with image uploads? For some reason the wiki isn't uploading my images onto the server. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Twirl toy image==
Can you upload a photo of her robot and vehicle modes? Preferably against a 'neutral' background to fit with the rest of the toy pics. She is too awesome to go without toy photos, methinks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==Megatron's Brazilian Voice Actor==
Howdy ho! Hey, you said that the information about Megatron's voice actor in the film was on the wrong place when i put it on his page.
Where would be the right place?
I was thinking that maybe if i mentioned that José Santacruz plays a REALLY monstrous Megs, much similar to the one Hugo Weaving did, maybe it could go where i originally intended?
Thanks for the time.--[[User:akumateukuma|akumateukuma]] 11:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Rartorata==
I don't really appreciate the "fuck you" in your edit summary, Siph. After the last round of discussion in October I thought -- due to lack of voiced disagreement -- that the names were going to be toned down to just ones that sound at least slightly like his real name, which personally I consider quite important. I reverted an anonymous change to the article which went against that "rule", and now you're cursing me out. That is quite uncool. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Create-A-Bot's Alt-modes==

I'm currently reworking the format and putting it in a more relevant form. It's not that it isn't important, but that the method in which it was added was inappropriate. I believe the original version went something like this.

"Just like his heroic counterpart, Create-A-Bot can adapt into numerous forms that can change his status, but several of his forms cannot be accessed in the game, but can be obtained by WiFi points by visiting the official Activition website. The altmodes are..."

and then listed them in a long and hard to read cluster. This not only is confusing, but also give the impression that ALL of the alt-modes have to be unlocked. So, instead of having a list, I am going to add an easier to read section in each article.

- ''Update'': The sections have been finished and added. Sorry about before, I guess I just forgot to leave a message on the Discussion page about it. -- [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Prowl Redirect ==

The wiki's lack of warning strikes again. I have made certain to preview every edit I do, looking for a warning that I'm editing an outdated version of the page. While I was making that edit, you redirected the page. When I previewed my edit, it gave no warning that anything had changed, so I submitted it—which undid the move. At least the new redirect included my clean-up...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Robot Heroes ==

There are clear packaging pics of all that are on TFW2005 (I think, I went from Seibertron.com). Not sure where from, but it isn't like they've been secretly leaked to me.

[[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

: So... stolen. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's some links, right here

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=161976

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=8828&dispsize=800&start=0

http://seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12219

Anyone and their mother can see them. I see nowhere that they've been stolen and find it hard to believe Hasbro wouldn't have seen the pics after a day or two, considering Stealth Bumblebee. We've seen Cheetor, Rattrap, and Megatron before anyway. I'm leaving them there. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:We've seen them because they were ''stooooooooooooooolen''. They have ''noooot'' been officially announced by Hasbro or any official sales solicitations anywhere. Therefore, they are not to be put on this wiki until they are. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

We saw the prototypes (Not Blackarachnia) months ago. They've been on this Wiki with the exception of Blackarachnia for months. If I absolutly cannot add her and the confirmed lineups, I will change it back to the way it was before. The protos have been and still are available for the rest and have been for months. I think, THINK they were from Botcon, but I'm unsure. Comic-Con? [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, several were shown at Botcon 2007; maybe at Comic-Con too, I dunno. But for the ones that weren't, our own policy (specifically [[Help:Coming_soon]] ) means we need to leave them alone until there's something official. Without a hard and fast policy, there's no fair way to declare what should and shouldn't be here when gray areas arise. Besides which, we're not trying to be a news site. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that a good compromise? There is no info there that seems unacceptable to me. I apologize for getting off on the wrong foot. The article on Smash Bros. Brawl on Wikipedia has made me defensive. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 03:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==You don't get to annoy and rule-break your way back to good graces.==
Unless you're me, that is. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

==Weird bootleg minicons==
Are you still looking for the various KO minicons? A store by me has the purple/yellow Star Saber team, the constructicon-esque Military team, and the weird combining remolds, if you're still interested. Also, they have inexplicably huge amounts of WCW Nitro cologne. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Anchors==
Have you noticed that each anchor line inserts a new blank line into the page formatting? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:I see four choices: 1) accept the extra blank formatting line, 2) put the anchors at the end of the last line of the preceding section, 3) dirty up the code by replacing the blank formatting lines with the anchor template lines, or 4) put the anchor code at the end of the "title" section it anchors to, which may result in the page link manifesting with its section title scrolled off the screen. For OP G1, for the purposes of getting my Stormbringer trivia edit in, I'm going with 2, for now. I'll fix it when we've got a decision. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 03:15, 14 February 2008 (EST)

== Telemocha episodes ==

Let's see,
:TM-01 Primal: 02
:TM-02 Megatron: 04
:TM-03 Cheetor: 05
:TM-04 Waspinator: 06
:TM-05 Dinobot: 09
:TM-06 Blackarachnia: 10
:TM-07 Corada: 11
:TM-08 Arcadis: 20
:TM-09 Rhinox: 03
:TM-10 Wolfang: 08
:TM-11 Tigatron: 07
:TM-12 Gimlet: 12
:TM-13 Motorarm: 21
:TM-SP Primal: 01 & 15
:TM-SP Megatron: 13 & 14

So far, that's episodes 1-15, 20, and 21 --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

== New Mini-Con ==

Just a heads-up: If you haven't heard yet, there's another Mini-Con/Micron store exclusive due from Japan. Starting March 13, the first 10 customers to buy J-release TF Classics toys at any Toys "R" Us get a free Skyglide, a red recolor of Steelwind from the Clear Skies Team, probably meant to homage Powerglide. (This is from ''Figure King'' #121, according to Autobase Aichi. I don't think there are any images in the article.) I'm not sure where this info should be put into the wiki. There doesn't seem to be enough info to set up an article of its own yet. A "coming soon" notice on the main Mini-Con page until we know more, maybe?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Mech Version ==

I tried a Google search and didn't find anything right off. I DID find Yahoo Japan auction listings which listed it in kana as メッキ, which is definitely "chromed" and not "mech". Point me to the site, please?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
: That's the kana on TakaraTomy's page for the set http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/other/index.html ... but isn't that kana "Meh-(shorten next)-ki"? "Mech"? Wouldn't "chromed" be an entirely different set of kana? The ones used for "Chromebite"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::No. Check it out by copy-pasting the katakana into the translation box at Jim Breen's. While クローム isn't unknown in Japan (Heck, it's what they call Stylor), the general term for chrome-plated parts is メッキ. (Technically, it's 鍍金 or 滅金, but perhaps because those can also be pronounced "tokin" and mean "pretense", it's usually rendered in katakana.) I first figured that by seeing it used in instructions for snap-together model kits which included such pieces. "Mech" is usually rendered メカ, as in short for "mechanism".--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Heroes of Cybertron Cat? ==

Hey, are you going to populate a Heroes of Cybertron category? Dirge currently is all alone there, and I was about to delete the cat from his page to help clean up the Wanted Cats page. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
: Why the fuck would you delete it? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: First of all, I'm here to discuss the matter ''before'' I do anything rash, so I don't think I deserve the swearing. Chill.
:: Second of all, I considered deleting the link to the cat because the cat doesn't exist, and there's no demonstrable desire for it to exist, as shown by the fact that there's only one article in it.
:: But, third, if you were intending to fill out the category, so that it reaches the minimum number of entries we require to justify a category, I fully support you in that. I'm just asking if that's your plan, or if you expect other people to take care of it. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==this may sound awkward...==
r u a guy or a girl? if it says anywhere on ur talk page, i just kinda skimmed thru it.i always assumed u were a girl, but decided not 2 call u 1. if u know what happened last time [[User:Inferno'sQueen|someone's]] gender was mistaken. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 20:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
: Yes, he is a girl. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::You can tell by Sipher's pink armor plating.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:If he's a girl, then he's in serious need of [[Greg Sepelak|electrolysis]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== "lay odds?" ==

what odds? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:y'know, ya still haven't answered the question..[[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::And yet by pestering him, ''you'' have.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:::huh? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 19:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Soundwave edits by 143.239.7.2 ==

Okay, the whole Gurren Lagan/gattai history business is drawing parallels that are either speculative or outside the intended scope of the wiki. (A note might be made somewhere of Soundwave's combining method, though. Is it unique within TF lore?) However, why excise the directly TF-related material—i.e., noting the homages to the original Soundwave?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's the section Sipher removed due to (as I believe he put it) being "blatantly obvious."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

==Scourge Edit==

That's the second time that my trivia post for RiD Scourge was deleted. It's a valid point, and I dunno why you guys are refusing to allow it, especially since there seems to be no qualms on here with making tranny jokes about Override or Airazor. Kind of hypocritical, ne?
[[User:64.13.101.210|64.13.101.210]] 23:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
: No, not at all. Because Airazor and Override did legitimately, officially change genders in translation. Scourge... drumroll... ''has always been male, and has never ever ever been officially hinted as having the remotest female whatever ever''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, I'm spamming ==

Canvassing a few talkpages here so we can get folks to weigh in and finalize the potential Wiki image policy. Your input would be appreciated at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Images]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== blocking help ==

Lets just say a acount has been blocked, and I cant even edit my talk page. Could you
tell me whats up. [[User:F1 fan|F1 fan]] 04:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== Please Provide More Details ==
...as to why you removed the army building reference in the Starscream clone article. A simple rephrasing could have eliminated any problems you have with the word "Clearly". I dont mean to seem bitchy/pushy, but I really think that it was a good contribution to the article. [[Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)]] --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

==Ironhide==
I read your thing about Botcon, very interesting. But the chances that Ironhide's southern accent doesn't originate from Cullen's are very low indeed. If you listen to the two voices, Ironhide's voice in Animated has a slightly different style. The most likely explanation is that the idea of the accent was taken from Cullen's 'Hide, while the sound of the accent was modelled on the other guys. And both should be noted in page. Something like "The idea of a southern accent is most likely based on G1 Ironhide, however the particular variant/vernacular(whatever) is based on such and such". [[User:GWolfv2]] 19.20 May 31st
: No. I'm goddamn sick of over-reaching desperate "THIS MUST BE GEEWUN REFERENCE". Especially when we're talking about an analogue to a G1 character... at BEST, it's "no shit, Sherlock" (you mean a guy based on G1 Ironhide has slightly-G1-Ironhide-like traits?! NOOO!), at worst, it's a desperate grab for a non-reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh...well, I said my piece...nice to know you're keeping your head and not getting worked up over nothing btw [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.01 May 31st
:::Nice to know you're supporting the spread of idiotic misinformation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

As the only staff member online at the moment as far as I know, can you make a decision about the latest Animated episode's title? We have two separate groups of editors working on two different articles for this episode. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:31, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Original photo watermark ==

Hey, I'm working on finishing cleaning up the Magmatron photos I took before the crash. Do you still have that TFWiki watermark template handy?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:07, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

for fixing up the Stormbringer description I did. I think my original edit summary was lost, but I had basically only done that because I thought it was important in explaining why Optimus got over feeling unworthy - and you summed it up a lot better than I ever could.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:38, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

==Yo==
[[Image_talk:Alt-toy_AiKuruma.jpg]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:48, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Vandalism warning ==

Guess who's back. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:42, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Awesome job, man. ==
{{gigantionaward}}
Really love the style you're doing the Micromaster Combiner toy photos in. Nicely done.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:22, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
: I concur. I think you deserve one of those prizes for services to the wiki. Excellent, excellent work. Keep it up! 08:10, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, I proposed the TFWiki Funbux as our official monetary reward. I too concur on a great you did. I especially like how you indication which half is which character in the combined vehicle pics. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:35, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I actually made what amounts to a TFWiki "barnstar" once. And yep, Siph deserves it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 09:13, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Showdown translations==
Hey, Sipher. Just to save you time and a headache, I already translated the Showdown names, they're at [[Japanese ID number list#Beast Wars]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:01, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Linkage ==

I just wanted to thank you for going in and adding the megadata (like pub data) to the Linkage articles... I was trying to figure out when it was published yesterday, and I had to go back to some of your original ''usenet'' posts to confirm it spanned 2003 and 2004. (I suspected it did... but you know... that's not the same as being sure.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

BTW, I'm curious as to why you have them as <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 3]]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 6]]</nowiki>, and such, because that makes me think we'll be directing to the DVDs themselves... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:33, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
:Because we ''will'' be, like I said when I reverted them? The individual DVDs totally should have their own articles. I think it's stupid to NOT have articles on the individual home releases of whatever. If we have articles on trade paperbacks, we should have articles on the home videos. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::Ah. My bad. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 05:33, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

[http://members.fortunecity.com/msipher/transform/linkage/linkage.html Your site], linked from the [[Linkage (comic)|Linkage articles]], seems to be down/gone. Is there an alternate? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 14:48, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

== Hey, ==

Is "Image:PsychoOrb-toy.jpg" one of yours? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:46, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:Yes. I actually have a shadowless, watermarked version of that... and several others... that I just haven't gotten around to uploading. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:35, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== IDW Dates ==

To answer your question... while the solicitations of course give an idea of what will come out at ''some'' point during a month, usually we only get one month's worth of specific dates around the end of the previous month/beginning of that month via Tipton's blog and IDW's newsletter.

...so I guess the short answer is "no, we don't have specific dates for December or January stuff yet". Although we should get November's dates soon. I guess we could put in question-marked placeholders based on the solicitations... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:27, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Returns airdates ==

[http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html The site] Jon T referred me to had all the listings and from what I could tell going by the months I know the show premiered in Japan, plus the consistency between the airdates, it all looks legit to me. So I scrolled through each month, matched up the Japanese titles with the ones on this site to make sure the Japanese and Western episode orders were the same, and here are all the original Japanese airdates for the series:

*The Reformatting 2004/11/ 6
*Master of the House 2004/11/ 7
*Fires of the Past 2004/11/13
*Mercenary Pursuits 2004/11/14
*Forbidden Fruit 2004/11/20
*The Weak Component 2004/11/21
*Revelations Part I: Discovery 2004/11/27
*Revelations Part II: Descent 2004/11/28
*Revelations Part III: Apocalypse 2004/12/ 4
*Survivor 2004/12/ 5
*The Key 2004/12/11
*The Catalyst 2004/12/12
*End of the Line 2004/12/18
*Fallout 2004/12/19
*Savage Noble 2004/12/25
*Prometheus Unbound 2004/12/26
*In Darkest Knight 2005/ 1/ 1
*A Wolf in the Fold 2005/ 1/ 2
*Home Soil 2005/ 1/ 8
*Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike 2005/ 1/ 9
*Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search 2005/ 1/15
*Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege 2005/ 1/16
*Spark of Darkness 2005/ 1/22
*Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral 2005/ 1/23
*Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall 2005/ 1/29
*Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future 2005/ 1/30

Have at them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:19, 19 December 2009 (EST)

==Kiss Purge==
Good show on the Kiss Player == HORRIBLE purge. Some people (read: most people) don't seem to understand restraint.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:54, 2 March 2010 (EST)

==FemTF article==
Ehrm, sorry if I am being pushy, but some time ago you said you wanted to take a look at what you could improve on [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|my draft XXL]] for a new femTF page. I'll have finished up education duties in about a week and would like to continue and finally be done with the damn thing, so if it's possible you can take a look at it by then/around that time, I'd be really grateful. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:41, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

== Pst ==

There's a link to "Mass delete" at the bottom of the list of [[Special:Specialpages]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Edits ==

So overall, I saw several minor adjustments to the pages I made today, and I've noted them for any pages I make in the future. I didn't see any major revisions, though. Are the pages I did mostly okay, as long as I keep an eye out for the things you had to come behind me and fix? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 23:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

== Crankstart and suffering... ==

http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Crankstart&diff=prev&oldid=461445

*retires to a safe distance* :p - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 22:51, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
: [[Transformers_Wiki:Caption#Captions_and_jokes_we.27re_sick_of]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:04, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

== Silas and meltdown ==

The MECH agent piloting the helicopter outright said that the D.N.G.S. didn't meltdown after Prime's trailer was destroyed by the Vehicons. So Silas does know about the meltdown thing. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:22, 5 March 2011 (EST)
:There's a world of difference between knowing a radioactive thing will meltdown and knowing that it would be a ''five-state'' meltdown. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:28, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Congrats ==

You nabbed my obvious sock.

And ''only'' my obvious sock. The not-so-obvious one is still out there, waiting to be found.....

-Blackout-

==Divebomb==
Naw, that's Space Case again. You can ''juuust'' see the blue snakeskin grid deco alongside his cockpit. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:13, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

==Khon==
In "Dungeons & Dinobots", would Khon be a new location or a typo of Kaon? (P.S., please say the former) [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 10:05, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== ... ==

What constant steam of negativity? <strike>And a death ray is really negative!!</strike> [[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 12:05, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

== Spam ==

Does [[User talk:Dynamic|THIS]] count as Spam?--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 13:18, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

==Albitron==
You wouldn't happen to know what magazines MiB advertised Albitron and Swoop in, would you? Tracking those down to get scans of them seems like something to do. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 19:15, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

== Power Core Combiners ==

Just a shout out, I love your PCC fig pics, they look awesome! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 11:05, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:On [[Heavytread (PCC)|Heavytread]], the prehistoric comment was a joke in reference to his instrux pairing him up with the dinobots limbs.[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 00:51, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

== Quizno's Talking Oven... ==

I totally agree with your opinion on that commercial. [[Special:Contributions/50.36.116.49|50.36.116.49]] 14:51, 12 December 2011 (EST)

== Woah woah woah, why revert my "Minicon" edits? ==

In the Aligned universe the spelling for the word is "Minicon" rather than "Mini-Con" why would you undo all that since we have EVIDENCE presented in the novels of the spelling? It's the same thing as "Dino" vs "Mirage" for the specific forms of fiction. It's changed as it is presented, and in this case "Minicon" is the correct one. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 20:44, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:Because we've had misparsed words showing in official TF side-items for many years (BlackArachnia, anyone?), and frankly, I don't trust Alex Irvine to get anything right. The odds of the spelling showing up on Hasbro packaging as "Minicon" are pretty low, and until we see Hasbro PROEPER use it consistently, then we're going with what Hasbro PROPER has used. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:51, 2 February 2012 (EST)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for banning that asshat. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 11:26, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

== Darkness Rising, Part 5 ==
Why did the edit about Miko and Soundwave taking pictures of each other get reverted? I'm not raging, just asking so I should know what to post and what not to post under References. [[Special:Contributions/78.128.95.132|78.128.95.132]] 18:27, 8 August 2012 (EDT)
: Because that was not a reference. That was a coincidence. Not all similarities are references. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 8 August 2012 (EDT)

==Arc caption==
Was the joke unclear? Because in either case, I don't particularly favor the femmephobic joke you put there. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:"Femmephobic"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:30, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::There's a thing called Google. But it comes down to lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women, because it's seen as inferior. This wiki is way past just pointing out stereotypes - it's actively participating in femmephobia with its propensity for remarks about the color pink (among mány other things). In particular, *I* hate pink jokes around TFP Arcee, and therefore also Arc, because Arcee's usual color was not altered for her, but for Jack, so he would not be lowered for associating with feminine attributes.
::My joke tried to play into the fact that she is a knife and that Transformer 'blood' (energon, right?) is pink. It wasn't perhaps the best formulated or particularly funny, but at least it wasn't problematic either.
::So, I ask you to at least leave the caption blank if my joke wasn't good. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:45, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::What a steaming pile you've plopped down there, and how ''dare'' you. You'll pardon me if I find that giving Arcee a Micron partner that's pink, ''literally'' has stiletto heels, a heart for a face, and hands sculpted in that splayed-out palms-to-the-floor tee-hee pose just a ''wee'' bit out of place. Combine that with her on-show personality, which is more or less a "diva" and a love target for various characters, and it's a parade of sad cliches, shoving her into the trope of "GIRLY GIRL PINK GIRL" being her only character trait. Which I find dreadful, not because "pink + girl = auto-bad forever", but because hey, sometimes, a female character ''doesn't need to be pink and girly''. There are lots of ways to be a girl. Defaulting the '''''only''''' female character in the lot to nothing more than pink-and-pretty is bluntly insulting. Arcee is feminine without being a pile of "gender-normative" cliches. To see Arc backslide so far is disappointing at best.
:::It has nothing, ''nothing'' to do with "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior", as you so idiotically put it, and EVERYTHING to do with it seemingly being THE ONLY ROLE OPTION FOR FEMALES AS DECIDED UPON BY PREDOMINANTLY MALE-RUN ENTERPRISES AND AIMED AT A PREDOMINANTLY YOUNG MALE AUDIENCE. ''THAT'', if you ask me, is the REAL "lack of appreciation".
:::And I'd really, ''really'' love a source on your claim as to how pink would "lower" Jack and THAT being the reason for Arcee's coloration.
:::(And by the way, energon is ''light blue'' in Prime. Which would have been a far better choice of colors for Arc. still wouldn't have solved the sculpting issues though.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:26, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::How ''dare'' I? Oh, excuse me, male person. I, as female person, should not have assumed to know anything about the female identity and its stereotypes and how they should be talked about without creating further harm. I mean, it's not like I could have first-hand experience. And the fact I left this wiki over a year ago partially because of the heterosexual (cis)male entitlement here is also something I must've dreamed up. Apologies. How dare I?
::::I give you [http://parrotbeak.tumblr.com/post/30725648699/crowd-about-arcee-how-come-in-the-old-one-she this] as my evidence for the Jack = blue claim.
::::That energon is blue in TFP is a good argument against my joke, though. Still not one in favor of yours. If all those other things bother you about Arc as well, why not comment on any of thém? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:40, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". You came out with the presumption of the ''worst'' possible reason, using charged language, so yes. Offense is going to be taken. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Geewunling, you need to understand the difference between trends in gender perception across society as a whole and the choices of individuals. Yes, society is ruled by males and these males have decided for everyone what "feminine" means. But this is charting a trend. It's something you can only measure as a pile of thousands or millions of choices. You cannot draw these same insidious conclusions from one person, and you can't accuse one person of committing the crime that an entire society perpetuates. For example, one movie that doesn't pass the Bechdel Test isn't sexist, but most movies not passing the Bechdel Test is indicative of a sexist society. You are making that mistake here. You may know more about being female than a male because you are a female, but you don't know more about Sipher's motivations in creating a caption than he does, for that same reason. Instead, you've decided to mark him and his actions unfavorably by assuming his motivations are synonymous with All Males Everywhere. And because of this, you have accused him of hating girls -- not because he's demonstrated that he hates girls, but because he's said something about the color pink. Pink is a complicated color because it's wrapped up in gender roles, and attitudes towards that color can be numerous and contradictory, and it is simply impossible to concentrate those feelings down into an accurate accusation against a lone human being. A feminist could hate or love pink depending on their experiences with the color, and both reactions could be right. It would be wiser to deal with Sipher as an individual with his own thoughts and motivations -- albeit within a sexist society. He is not that society. Remember that when dealing with other people. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:23, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::To M Sipher (and ItsWalky for the defense): I called the joke femmephobic, not you. And even if I would've called you femmephobic, I did not say anything about intent. It has little to do with 'reasons', and all the more with a system of conventions that are tough to make visible.
::::::Do I mind a pink joke or think less of the person who made it? No. Do I feel upset about having seen (and changed) some thirty+ jokes around here about male characters/men being not worth basic consideration for dressing in pink, about female characters/women ''not'' having pink in their look (which adds to the stereotype where it is averted), and female characters/women in pink being inherently inferior to ones who aren't? A little. And I can give you the full list if you want me to. It just is not about you, it's about everything.
::::::All I ask for is a different joke, one that doesn't serve to rebuild a collection I've tried to kill off. If only because repetitive jokes are a reading enjoyment-killer.
::::::P.S., ItsWalky, don't assume I don't know feminism. It's condescending and kind of a weird assumption given the conversation so far. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:39, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::At no point did I assume you didn't know feminism. In fact, I wrote my entire spiel with the exact opposite assumption. The term "cisgendered" isn't exactly thrown around by the unequipped. If I wrote at-length or in great detail, it's because this topic is complicated and this is not a private conversation between you and I, plus I thought explaining my thoughts plainly and clearly was better than being curt and snarky. Once again you assume the worst in others without first attempting to understand them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::(As an aside, I always assumed Arc was pink merely because those are Arcee's secondary colors.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:36, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Alright, critique withdrawn. I was thrown off by the fairly elaborate explanation of the Bechdel Test and color pink, and the reassertion I'd been targeting M Sipher rather than, you know, the joke.
::::::::Whereas my request for another joke is standing, I also withdraw concerns for an immediate change. There's a reason I can name all instances of a pink joke on this wiki, and once it's finished I could as well try to kick off a community discussion with it that better communicates the problem. Which is not, and never was, one person/man's doing. Nor did I say that. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:27, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:50, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

== Kickshift ==
Alright, not that I'm trying to accuse you of something and piss you off more than you already are, but do you know anything about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User:AutobotKickshift?oldid=391195 this]? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 20:30, 14 October 2012 (EDT)
:1) Who said I'm pissed off? It takes a LOT more than a run-of-the-mill twit to piss me off. 2) That's Wikia. I don't GO there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:43, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

== Shield Master O.P. A ==

I was lurking at the Allspark, and noticed you made a thread about O.P. A. For your information, the O.P. A you have may be an error. I own the Shield Master set, and my O.P. A has a light-teal/light-blue crystal instead of the medium-blue crystal color of the Cosmotector trio. Hope this helps. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 04:43, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

== Deadlock (episode) ==

Why did you undo my edit on [[Deadlock|this]] page? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 00:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)
: You were adding unnecessary commentary, versus information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
:: Can't you just edit the page, not undoing the edit? Can't we have a little fun here? The page don't need fun, so why you wrote the caption of the pictures with it? My edit is incomplete, why don't you edit and complete it? My grammar is poor, why don't you fix it? My edit is uninformative, why don't you fix the uninformative part? My edit is unnecessary, why don't you ¡UNDO IT AND TELL ME if my edit isn't necessary? My edit is full of mistakes and should be fixed, why don't you ¡FIX IT AND TELL ME so I can make myself better? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 02:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)

== White Ironfist vs. Tan Ironfist ==

I admit I based my note off the screencaps on his page, which seemed to indicate that Fisitron's two biggest portrayals (otherwise known as his only portrayals) replaced the tan of his toy with white. Given that, why remove my note when it seemed to be accurate? Or am I just colour-blind? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:06, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:Because he's tan. I've got LSOTW right in front of me and he is consistently tan. It's a lighter, more desaturated tan, but EVERYONE'S colors are lighter and desaturated. That's IDW's look. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:13, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::Ah, okay. Guess that's my bad for trying to extrapolate a pattern without having the comics on hand. So much for contributing outside of reverting anonymous morons and the occasional caption...he is still white in WoH, though, right? Can I take consolation in being half-right? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:49, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:::He is very white in WoH. But, yeah, tan in LSOTW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:54, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::::Righto. Complaint withdrawn. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 04:36, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

== Divide and Conquer ==

I believe it to be a deliberate reference, but if this has been discussed and decided against, that's fair enough; It being deleted with reason is fine by me, but deletion of something I deemed valid without reasons given understandably led me to add it again. Also, i'd rather a more diplomatic approach than just 'do not post this again'-like I said, I was unaware that I was in error. --[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 23:47, 4th September 2013
:The reason was given TWICE, and you added it again afterward anyway. And no, this wiki is not in the habit of listing every vague coincidence as intentional reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:57, 4 September 2013 (EDT)

I've already said that I understand that decision. I'm a newcomer here, so i'll take this opportunity to apologise for irritating behaviour but also plead ignorance in that I didn't know better. Despite accepting that I may have accidentally caused irritation, I have to admit that your reaction has been a bit arsey and very newcomer-unfriendly.--[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 01:21, 4th September 2013

== Soundwave ==

I find your decision to remove my comment on Soundwave being present during PR due to being 'unnecessary' odd, to be honest. How many entries under notes sections are 'necessary'? I found this to be of interest, and interest is subjective. What I said was not incorrect, nor did it present a problem. I think you've made an unfair decision here. Can you really delete other people's contributions based on what you think is interesting?
:Soundwave is completely absent from the movie, thoroughly irrelevant to the plot in every respect. It'd be like commenting on the lack of humans, Airachnid, Insecticons or Decepticon miners. We don't remark on the absences of cast members unless said absence poses continuity issues. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:58, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

Your response was pretty definitive, and I'm not trying to be obnoxious by continuing this, but my point was that he probably was present; it was a 'Soundwave is actually there the whole time' comment, not vice versa. However,another contributor has since pointed out that, as we can't be sure of Soundwave's actions between the movie and the episode, his whereabouts can't be proved and so my comment was speculative, which to my mind is reason enough to not include it, but I found your reasoning less understandable.
I appreciate that it was an inconsequential bit of trivia, but then many of the notes on this wiki seem equally, if not less trivial, so i'm wondering what constitutes acceptable notes? [[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]]

== Re:Random Kreon in Beast Hunters set? ==

I'm not sure. The scan of the instructions the guy posted showed it had a different color scheme from the first Kreon version of Knock Out. But if it does turn out to be random, feel free to remove it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 20:35, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

== Hero Mashers ==

I think you have to clarify more than "Fuck this noise" when you're merging all the Hero Mashers back despite them having their own universal stream cluster. Canon's not really on your side. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:08, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
:I left the (HM) pages intact so "canon" can be appeased. There's canon, and then there's stupidly obfuscating information by not having blatantly-based-on-specific-iterations-of-characters merch on the relevant pages because of some micro-reference in something the overwhelming majority of readership will basically never see. We do readers a disservice with the latter. I don't like just assuming someone's going to dig through a disambig link chain to maybe find stuff like this, and since we repeat full toy sections for repurposings, I don't see why repeating Hero Mashers or the like would be a problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:15, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
::That's fair enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:16, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

==Intruders==

Are the Intruders who built Medusa the same as the Intruders from G.I. Joe? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:09, 18 July 2015 (EDT)

== Spambots ==

There's another one: [[User:Sdsfs]] -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:24, 3 February 2016 (EST)

==Misdirection==

I tried, i changed the file type, and i did a multiple image upload, so i couldnt give them all a correct discription. Will they be readded, or shall i do them individually? -
Junkheap117
Also, you need to calm your shit. It's just a fucking unofficial website, and you go on like it means the world to you. GET A FUCKING LIFE.
:Guess who's getting a time-out? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:34, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

==Angry Birds Transformers Characters and Accessories==
Thanks for taking the time to fill in information for the Angry Birds Transformers characters.
So far we're still missing comphrehensive profiles for Chuck, Hal, and the Minion Pig seekers. Could you also 'spice up' Red's Ultimate, Nemesis, and Epic Optimus Prime's profiles? (I wrote those profiles, but they're just information basic.)

The current Challenge event is for getting both Bumblebees' accessories, so for this and future events, could you make sure to get the gem costs of the accessories ''before'' getting them with tokens? Or else would take extra replaying from scratch to figure out the what the original gem costs were.

Also, some of the accessories were token-only exclusives, so you may have to change the cost columns for the accessories tables a bit.
--[[User:Woo224|Woo224]] ([[User talk:Woo224|talk]]) 23:14, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

==Uploads==

Hi, im a new user and when i upload an image it says i dont have permission to creat a new page. I have multiple screenshots from the new RID episode but i cant uplaod them, Any ideas? Thanks
--[[User:Hardshell101|Hardshell101]]

== Apology ==

Sorry about disrupting your work on the ''Combiner Wars'' toyline page. I didn't think you had progressed down that far yet. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:25, 2 October 2016 (EDT)

== Hiding pages from Recent Changes? ==

I had no idea my personal page edits were cluttering up the Recent Changes page; my bad. Is it possible for me to just hide everything under my username page from Recent Changes? I just find it much easier to work on individual subsections... but given how many there are it's going to keep cluttering RC until I'm done (and I keep wanting to make tweaks here and there). Thanks. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:52, 27 February 2017 (EST)
:Just noticed the "Minor edit" checkbox; I'll use that from now on for my stuff. Sorry again for my posts. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:54, 27 February 2017 (EST)

== Model Numbers? / Formatting - table vs list==

Hey, I noticed that you've deleted model numbers off of most of the toyline pages, which is very useful information. I registered to place them back in, but after a couple edits I notice that somebody undid them already. Apologies if I went about this wrong, but how can we get the model #'s reinstated onto the collection pages? =)

Also, when you deleted the model numbers for many pages, you converted the formatting from simple straight-down lists to table formats. As a result, everything looks more cluttered and less organized now. With model numbers in place, even though the page may be slightly longer, at least everything looks much more organized in numerical order. Would it be possible to consider putting everything back into straight-down list views? (but keep the improvements, such as the cool new mini-icons, etc.)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:48, 3 March 2017 (EST)
Ok, I suppose that's just cosmetic - but what about model #'s? That's actually functional information, which for some reason was stripped from many of the toyline pages? The only way to view that information now is to go back and look at older page revisions...
::Or you can click the link to the toy where all the toy-specific info goes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:47, 3 March 2017 (EST)
Hey, thanks for your reply - I understand that you can click on each individual link, but it's more convenient for all the information to be collected in one place (particularly with Japanese toylines, for foreign collectors). Anyway, I wrote down some thoughts on the "Transformers Unite Warriors" discussion page, and won't push this any further - was just giving some suggestions from an outside user, which I thought might be helpful. I'll stick to simple edits & corrections from now on, and just appreciate the wiki for what it has to offer - thanks... =)
:::"All the information collected in one place" is called page bloat and over-redundancy, which in the past led to unreadable, ugly, overlong pages that challenged readers to slog through it all. A toyline page is meant to be a broad-strokes overview with links to more detailed pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:59, 4 March 2017 (EST)
I understand what you're saying about excessive information being "bloat", but model numbers are typically only 2-5 characters long and serve greatly to organize information, and provide a look of uniformity to lists; they are such integral pieces of information for many toys (and in many cases, synonymous with their names), particularly for Takara figures from Japan, and especially for collectors working on their collections. For example, Henkei Optimus is C-01 Convoy, United Megatron (the best version from the Classics Voyager mold) is UN-09 Megatron, Transformers Legends Arcee is LG10 Arcee, RobotMasters Optimus w/ DVD is RM-10 Convoy+DVD, Masterpiece Optimus is either MP-1/MP-4 or MP-10, Masterpiece Rodimus is either MP-9 or MP-28, etc. - these figures are referred to as such all over the web, on ebay, in forums, articles, buy/sale/trade lists, etc. For any collector, this information is invaluable and would never be considered as bloat if collected on a wiki toyline information page.

With all due respect (I know you and others have worked very hard on this site!), but if you look at all the pages pre- and post- overhaul where you reformatted into 4-column tables and stripped out model numbers (Transformers Unite Warriors, Transformers Legends (franchise), Transformers United, Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline), Robotmasters (franchise), etc.) - every single one of these pages looked cleaner and better laid out, and with MORE information (ie - model numbers), before the redesign than after. I think I know what you were trying to achieve (I used to work in web dev in a past life), but the current table implementation only looks good when wave distributions are fairly even (the "Transformers: Generations" page looks pretty decent in most places, except for the Japan section); however, in most other instances where waves are unevenly distributed, and information is presented in left-to-right then down fashion, it ends up being a convoluted mess that is more difficult to follow than necessary (due to uneven whitespacing, and having to scan waves left-to-right but then downwards per wave).

In fact, one easy improvement would be if you were to just simply flip the axis and list the waves top-down then right, then everything would read much better and be easier to follow, and would look better with uneven wave distributions (and then if model numbers were reinstated, they would look good as well because they would appear uniform and increase numerically as you're scanning down the lists). Another thing to consider - I know that it probably took a bit of effort to standardize on the current 4-column table view, and that uniformity across pages is desirable, but sometimes the one-size-fits-all approach is not necessarily the best. The Unite Warriors page is a pretty good example of this - the new version looks quite scattered, and is actually MORE bloated (in both page size, and vertical scroll area) even though information has been omitted (model #'s). There's no reason why those 12 entries shouldn't just be a simple downwards list like it was before, with just the new insignia mini-icons added (and model #'s intact!).

Anyway, as I said before, I didn't mean to push this any further - I like tfwiki too much, and don't want to risk offending any of you who control the site. I sought only to help and to give some constructive feedback for consideration, from the viewpoint of an outside user who has found the information collected here invaluable, but happened to notice some of the pages being changed for the worse and becoming more difficult to use. Anyway, thanks again for your time & long live tfwiki... =)

User talk:M Sipher

2017-03-05T05:56:52Z

Fronkinsteen:

AMBIGUITY IS THE FLAVOR OR LIFE!

YOU WOULD ROB US OF OUR MYSTERIES!

Dumping everything written was not required, unless Wikipedia automatically saves what I have written somewhere.

==Autobot Officer==

Uh. Oopsies? Didn't know you were getting pics, too. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Americanised spelling ==
Hi there, PacifistPrime the originator of the [[Scale]] article here. Thanks for cleaning up some of the typos. However, is it really neccessary to "correct" all my spelling by changing it to Americanised spelling? Is there actually a rule here that one has to use American spelling instead of, well... to be frank: the way the rest of world's users of the English Language spell? No offence intended, just asking. Let me know. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:I would think "yes", since this is an Amerocentric wiki and consistency looks professional. I don't realistically believe we'll ever achieve that because there are too many people from too many regions contributing, and further there are a lot of variations in how people type regardless of what area they're from. I can't stand putting two spaces between sentences, but I wouldn't be offended if someone changed a page I worked on to use them. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==What edit are you talking about?==
If you're talking about my submission about Blackarachnia's telekinesis, it is NOT baseless speculation; she did use telekinesis in Master Blaster against Rampage, and although they never said where she got it, it is very likely that the psychic link she had with Tarantulas was upgraded during her Transmetalization. Watch the episode; you'll see Blackarachnia's eyes glow green, levitate an I-beam, and fling it at Rampage. The episode was right after Crossing the Rubicon (where Blackarachnia became a TM2), and 18 episodes after Tangled Web, when Blackarachnia forced Tarantulas to terminate their mind link after four episodes (and in case you want to contest it, Other Visits made a mention of the mind link, and how it worked both ways, meaning that BA had some remnants of the link, at the very least some of Tarantulas' memories, if not some other side effects).[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 15:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not Sipher, but I agree that it's speculation that doesn't belong here. Her glowing eyes echo the glowing tendrils involved in Cheetor's TM2-ification. It's a Transmetal 2 thing, and I see nothing whatsoever to connect it with the former mental link she shared with Tarantulas. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Beast Wars Video Game ==

Hey Siph- I finally picked up a copy of the BW Game off e-bay (the original snap I made was from the demo.)

I'm nto very far into it (finding time this summer is tough) but thus far there's been no mention of the Skriix. Were they named in the game booklet or something? ('cuz i lack the booklet.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
: I'm trying to remember WHERE they were named. It might have been promotional materials. It's not in the booklet, I know that... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I theeeeeenk it might've been in one of the pre-mission "briefings" that came up before you started each level. Level... three, I want to say? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, then I just haven't played it enough to get that info. Thanks!
:::Was there anything of value at all in the booklet that I'm missing out on? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

ok, but what about those pages that are wanted?

you can't say a whole lot about say the third episode of Five Faces of Darkness can you?

other than that, what do you think of my wording?

and btw, theres a weird random page about weather in london but wasn't deleted, joke I'm not aware of maybe?
--[[User:DracoJesi|DracoJesi]] 18:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload issues==
Are you having any problems with image uploads? For some reason the wiki isn't uploading my images onto the server. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Twirl toy image==
Can you upload a photo of her robot and vehicle modes? Preferably against a 'neutral' background to fit with the rest of the toy pics. She is too awesome to go without toy photos, methinks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==Megatron's Brazilian Voice Actor==
Howdy ho! Hey, you said that the information about Megatron's voice actor in the film was on the wrong place when i put it on his page.
Where would be the right place?
I was thinking that maybe if i mentioned that José Santacruz plays a REALLY monstrous Megs, much similar to the one Hugo Weaving did, maybe it could go where i originally intended?
Thanks for the time.--[[User:akumateukuma|akumateukuma]] 11:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Rartorata==
I don't really appreciate the "fuck you" in your edit summary, Siph. After the last round of discussion in October I thought -- due to lack of voiced disagreement -- that the names were going to be toned down to just ones that sound at least slightly like his real name, which personally I consider quite important. I reverted an anonymous change to the article which went against that "rule", and now you're cursing me out. That is quite uncool. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Create-A-Bot's Alt-modes==

I'm currently reworking the format and putting it in a more relevant form. It's not that it isn't important, but that the method in which it was added was inappropriate. I believe the original version went something like this.

"Just like his heroic counterpart, Create-A-Bot can adapt into numerous forms that can change his status, but several of his forms cannot be accessed in the game, but can be obtained by WiFi points by visiting the official Activition website. The altmodes are..."

and then listed them in a long and hard to read cluster. This not only is confusing, but also give the impression that ALL of the alt-modes have to be unlocked. So, instead of having a list, I am going to add an easier to read section in each article.

- ''Update'': The sections have been finished and added. Sorry about before, I guess I just forgot to leave a message on the Discussion page about it. -- [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Prowl Redirect ==

The wiki's lack of warning strikes again. I have made certain to preview every edit I do, looking for a warning that I'm editing an outdated version of the page. While I was making that edit, you redirected the page. When I previewed my edit, it gave no warning that anything had changed, so I submitted it—which undid the move. At least the new redirect included my clean-up...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Robot Heroes ==

There are clear packaging pics of all that are on TFW2005 (I think, I went from Seibertron.com). Not sure where from, but it isn't like they've been secretly leaked to me.

[[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

: So... stolen. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's some links, right here

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=161976

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=8828&dispsize=800&start=0

http://seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12219

Anyone and their mother can see them. I see nowhere that they've been stolen and find it hard to believe Hasbro wouldn't have seen the pics after a day or two, considering Stealth Bumblebee. We've seen Cheetor, Rattrap, and Megatron before anyway. I'm leaving them there. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:We've seen them because they were ''stooooooooooooooolen''. They have ''noooot'' been officially announced by Hasbro or any official sales solicitations anywhere. Therefore, they are not to be put on this wiki until they are. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

We saw the prototypes (Not Blackarachnia) months ago. They've been on this Wiki with the exception of Blackarachnia for months. If I absolutly cannot add her and the confirmed lineups, I will change it back to the way it was before. The protos have been and still are available for the rest and have been for months. I think, THINK they were from Botcon, but I'm unsure. Comic-Con? [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, several were shown at Botcon 2007; maybe at Comic-Con too, I dunno. But for the ones that weren't, our own policy (specifically [[Help:Coming_soon]] ) means we need to leave them alone until there's something official. Without a hard and fast policy, there's no fair way to declare what should and shouldn't be here when gray areas arise. Besides which, we're not trying to be a news site. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that a good compromise? There is no info there that seems unacceptable to me. I apologize for getting off on the wrong foot. The article on Smash Bros. Brawl on Wikipedia has made me defensive. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 03:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==You don't get to annoy and rule-break your way back to good graces.==
Unless you're me, that is. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

==Weird bootleg minicons==
Are you still looking for the various KO minicons? A store by me has the purple/yellow Star Saber team, the constructicon-esque Military team, and the weird combining remolds, if you're still interested. Also, they have inexplicably huge amounts of WCW Nitro cologne. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Anchors==
Have you noticed that each anchor line inserts a new blank line into the page formatting? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:I see four choices: 1) accept the extra blank formatting line, 2) put the anchors at the end of the last line of the preceding section, 3) dirty up the code by replacing the blank formatting lines with the anchor template lines, or 4) put the anchor code at the end of the "title" section it anchors to, which may result in the page link manifesting with its section title scrolled off the screen. For OP G1, for the purposes of getting my Stormbringer trivia edit in, I'm going with 2, for now. I'll fix it when we've got a decision. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 03:15, 14 February 2008 (EST)

== Telemocha episodes ==

Let's see,
:TM-01 Primal: 02
:TM-02 Megatron: 04
:TM-03 Cheetor: 05
:TM-04 Waspinator: 06
:TM-05 Dinobot: 09
:TM-06 Blackarachnia: 10
:TM-07 Corada: 11
:TM-08 Arcadis: 20
:TM-09 Rhinox: 03
:TM-10 Wolfang: 08
:TM-11 Tigatron: 07
:TM-12 Gimlet: 12
:TM-13 Motorarm: 21
:TM-SP Primal: 01 & 15
:TM-SP Megatron: 13 & 14

So far, that's episodes 1-15, 20, and 21 --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

== New Mini-Con ==

Just a heads-up: If you haven't heard yet, there's another Mini-Con/Micron store exclusive due from Japan. Starting March 13, the first 10 customers to buy J-release TF Classics toys at any Toys "R" Us get a free Skyglide, a red recolor of Steelwind from the Clear Skies Team, probably meant to homage Powerglide. (This is from ''Figure King'' #121, according to Autobase Aichi. I don't think there are any images in the article.) I'm not sure where this info should be put into the wiki. There doesn't seem to be enough info to set up an article of its own yet. A "coming soon" notice on the main Mini-Con page until we know more, maybe?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Mech Version ==

I tried a Google search and didn't find anything right off. I DID find Yahoo Japan auction listings which listed it in kana as メッキ, which is definitely "chromed" and not "mech". Point me to the site, please?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
: That's the kana on TakaraTomy's page for the set http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/other/index.html ... but isn't that kana "Meh-(shorten next)-ki"? "Mech"? Wouldn't "chromed" be an entirely different set of kana? The ones used for "Chromebite"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::No. Check it out by copy-pasting the katakana into the translation box at Jim Breen's. While クローム isn't unknown in Japan (Heck, it's what they call Stylor), the general term for chrome-plated parts is メッキ. (Technically, it's 鍍金 or 滅金, but perhaps because those can also be pronounced "tokin" and mean "pretense", it's usually rendered in katakana.) I first figured that by seeing it used in instructions for snap-together model kits which included such pieces. "Mech" is usually rendered メカ, as in short for "mechanism".--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Heroes of Cybertron Cat? ==

Hey, are you going to populate a Heroes of Cybertron category? Dirge currently is all alone there, and I was about to delete the cat from his page to help clean up the Wanted Cats page. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
: Why the fuck would you delete it? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: First of all, I'm here to discuss the matter ''before'' I do anything rash, so I don't think I deserve the swearing. Chill.
:: Second of all, I considered deleting the link to the cat because the cat doesn't exist, and there's no demonstrable desire for it to exist, as shown by the fact that there's only one article in it.
:: But, third, if you were intending to fill out the category, so that it reaches the minimum number of entries we require to justify a category, I fully support you in that. I'm just asking if that's your plan, or if you expect other people to take care of it. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==this may sound awkward...==
r u a guy or a girl? if it says anywhere on ur talk page, i just kinda skimmed thru it.i always assumed u were a girl, but decided not 2 call u 1. if u know what happened last time [[User:Inferno'sQueen|someone's]] gender was mistaken. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 20:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
: Yes, he is a girl. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::You can tell by Sipher's pink armor plating.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:If he's a girl, then he's in serious need of [[Greg Sepelak|electrolysis]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== "lay odds?" ==

what odds? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:y'know, ya still haven't answered the question..[[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::And yet by pestering him, ''you'' have.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:::huh? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 19:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Soundwave edits by 143.239.7.2 ==

Okay, the whole Gurren Lagan/gattai history business is drawing parallels that are either speculative or outside the intended scope of the wiki. (A note might be made somewhere of Soundwave's combining method, though. Is it unique within TF lore?) However, why excise the directly TF-related material—i.e., noting the homages to the original Soundwave?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's the section Sipher removed due to (as I believe he put it) being "blatantly obvious."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

==Scourge Edit==

That's the second time that my trivia post for RiD Scourge was deleted. It's a valid point, and I dunno why you guys are refusing to allow it, especially since there seems to be no qualms on here with making tranny jokes about Override or Airazor. Kind of hypocritical, ne?
[[User:64.13.101.210|64.13.101.210]] 23:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
: No, not at all. Because Airazor and Override did legitimately, officially change genders in translation. Scourge... drumroll... ''has always been male, and has never ever ever been officially hinted as having the remotest female whatever ever''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, I'm spamming ==

Canvassing a few talkpages here so we can get folks to weigh in and finalize the potential Wiki image policy. Your input would be appreciated at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Images]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== blocking help ==

Lets just say a acount has been blocked, and I cant even edit my talk page. Could you
tell me whats up. [[User:F1 fan|F1 fan]] 04:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== Please Provide More Details ==
...as to why you removed the army building reference in the Starscream clone article. A simple rephrasing could have eliminated any problems you have with the word "Clearly". I dont mean to seem bitchy/pushy, but I really think that it was a good contribution to the article. [[Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)]] --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

==Ironhide==
I read your thing about Botcon, very interesting. But the chances that Ironhide's southern accent doesn't originate from Cullen's are very low indeed. If you listen to the two voices, Ironhide's voice in Animated has a slightly different style. The most likely explanation is that the idea of the accent was taken from Cullen's 'Hide, while the sound of the accent was modelled on the other guys. And both should be noted in page. Something like "The idea of a southern accent is most likely based on G1 Ironhide, however the particular variant/vernacular(whatever) is based on such and such". [[User:GWolfv2]] 19.20 May 31st
: No. I'm goddamn sick of over-reaching desperate "THIS MUST BE GEEWUN REFERENCE". Especially when we're talking about an analogue to a G1 character... at BEST, it's "no shit, Sherlock" (you mean a guy based on G1 Ironhide has slightly-G1-Ironhide-like traits?! NOOO!), at worst, it's a desperate grab for a non-reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh...well, I said my piece...nice to know you're keeping your head and not getting worked up over nothing btw [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.01 May 31st
:::Nice to know you're supporting the spread of idiotic misinformation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

As the only staff member online at the moment as far as I know, can you make a decision about the latest Animated episode's title? We have two separate groups of editors working on two different articles for this episode. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:31, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Original photo watermark ==

Hey, I'm working on finishing cleaning up the Magmatron photos I took before the crash. Do you still have that TFWiki watermark template handy?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:07, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

for fixing up the Stormbringer description I did. I think my original edit summary was lost, but I had basically only done that because I thought it was important in explaining why Optimus got over feeling unworthy - and you summed it up a lot better than I ever could.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:38, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

==Yo==
[[Image_talk:Alt-toy_AiKuruma.jpg]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:48, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Vandalism warning ==

Guess who's back. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:42, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Awesome job, man. ==
{{gigantionaward}}
Really love the style you're doing the Micromaster Combiner toy photos in. Nicely done.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:22, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
: I concur. I think you deserve one of those prizes for services to the wiki. Excellent, excellent work. Keep it up! 08:10, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, I proposed the TFWiki Funbux as our official monetary reward. I too concur on a great you did. I especially like how you indication which half is which character in the combined vehicle pics. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:35, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I actually made what amounts to a TFWiki "barnstar" once. And yep, Siph deserves it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 09:13, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Showdown translations==
Hey, Sipher. Just to save you time and a headache, I already translated the Showdown names, they're at [[Japanese ID number list#Beast Wars]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:01, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Linkage ==

I just wanted to thank you for going in and adding the megadata (like pub data) to the Linkage articles... I was trying to figure out when it was published yesterday, and I had to go back to some of your original ''usenet'' posts to confirm it spanned 2003 and 2004. (I suspected it did... but you know... that's not the same as being sure.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

BTW, I'm curious as to why you have them as <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 3]]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 6]]</nowiki>, and such, because that makes me think we'll be directing to the DVDs themselves... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:33, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
:Because we ''will'' be, like I said when I reverted them? The individual DVDs totally should have their own articles. I think it's stupid to NOT have articles on the individual home releases of whatever. If we have articles on trade paperbacks, we should have articles on the home videos. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::Ah. My bad. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 05:33, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

[http://members.fortunecity.com/msipher/transform/linkage/linkage.html Your site], linked from the [[Linkage (comic)|Linkage articles]], seems to be down/gone. Is there an alternate? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 14:48, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

== Hey, ==

Is "Image:PsychoOrb-toy.jpg" one of yours? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:46, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:Yes. I actually have a shadowless, watermarked version of that... and several others... that I just haven't gotten around to uploading. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:35, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== IDW Dates ==

To answer your question... while the solicitations of course give an idea of what will come out at ''some'' point during a month, usually we only get one month's worth of specific dates around the end of the previous month/beginning of that month via Tipton's blog and IDW's newsletter.

...so I guess the short answer is "no, we don't have specific dates for December or January stuff yet". Although we should get November's dates soon. I guess we could put in question-marked placeholders based on the solicitations... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:27, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Returns airdates ==

[http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html The site] Jon T referred me to had all the listings and from what I could tell going by the months I know the show premiered in Japan, plus the consistency between the airdates, it all looks legit to me. So I scrolled through each month, matched up the Japanese titles with the ones on this site to make sure the Japanese and Western episode orders were the same, and here are all the original Japanese airdates for the series:

*The Reformatting 2004/11/ 6
*Master of the House 2004/11/ 7
*Fires of the Past 2004/11/13
*Mercenary Pursuits 2004/11/14
*Forbidden Fruit 2004/11/20
*The Weak Component 2004/11/21
*Revelations Part I: Discovery 2004/11/27
*Revelations Part II: Descent 2004/11/28
*Revelations Part III: Apocalypse 2004/12/ 4
*Survivor 2004/12/ 5
*The Key 2004/12/11
*The Catalyst 2004/12/12
*End of the Line 2004/12/18
*Fallout 2004/12/19
*Savage Noble 2004/12/25
*Prometheus Unbound 2004/12/26
*In Darkest Knight 2005/ 1/ 1
*A Wolf in the Fold 2005/ 1/ 2
*Home Soil 2005/ 1/ 8
*Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike 2005/ 1/ 9
*Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search 2005/ 1/15
*Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege 2005/ 1/16
*Spark of Darkness 2005/ 1/22
*Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral 2005/ 1/23
*Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall 2005/ 1/29
*Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future 2005/ 1/30

Have at them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:19, 19 December 2009 (EST)

==Kiss Purge==
Good show on the Kiss Player == HORRIBLE purge. Some people (read: most people) don't seem to understand restraint.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:54, 2 March 2010 (EST)

==FemTF article==
Ehrm, sorry if I am being pushy, but some time ago you said you wanted to take a look at what you could improve on [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|my draft XXL]] for a new femTF page. I'll have finished up education duties in about a week and would like to continue and finally be done with the damn thing, so if it's possible you can take a look at it by then/around that time, I'd be really grateful. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:41, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

== Pst ==

There's a link to "Mass delete" at the bottom of the list of [[Special:Specialpages]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Edits ==

So overall, I saw several minor adjustments to the pages I made today, and I've noted them for any pages I make in the future. I didn't see any major revisions, though. Are the pages I did mostly okay, as long as I keep an eye out for the things you had to come behind me and fix? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 23:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

== Crankstart and suffering... ==

http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Crankstart&diff=prev&oldid=461445

*retires to a safe distance* :p - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 22:51, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
: [[Transformers_Wiki:Caption#Captions_and_jokes_we.27re_sick_of]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:04, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

== Silas and meltdown ==

The MECH agent piloting the helicopter outright said that the D.N.G.S. didn't meltdown after Prime's trailer was destroyed by the Vehicons. So Silas does know about the meltdown thing. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:22, 5 March 2011 (EST)
:There's a world of difference between knowing a radioactive thing will meltdown and knowing that it would be a ''five-state'' meltdown. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:28, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Congrats ==

You nabbed my obvious sock.

And ''only'' my obvious sock. The not-so-obvious one is still out there, waiting to be found.....

-Blackout-

==Divebomb==
Naw, that's Space Case again. You can ''juuust'' see the blue snakeskin grid deco alongside his cockpit. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:13, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

==Khon==
In "Dungeons & Dinobots", would Khon be a new location or a typo of Kaon? (P.S., please say the former) [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 10:05, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== ... ==

What constant steam of negativity? <strike>And a death ray is really negative!!</strike> [[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 12:05, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

== Spam ==

Does [[User talk:Dynamic|THIS]] count as Spam?--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 13:18, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

==Albitron==
You wouldn't happen to know what magazines MiB advertised Albitron and Swoop in, would you? Tracking those down to get scans of them seems like something to do. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 19:15, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

== Power Core Combiners ==

Just a shout out, I love your PCC fig pics, they look awesome! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 11:05, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:On [[Heavytread (PCC)|Heavytread]], the prehistoric comment was a joke in reference to his instrux pairing him up with the dinobots limbs.[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 00:51, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

== Quizno's Talking Oven... ==

I totally agree with your opinion on that commercial. [[Special:Contributions/50.36.116.49|50.36.116.49]] 14:51, 12 December 2011 (EST)

== Woah woah woah, why revert my "Minicon" edits? ==

In the Aligned universe the spelling for the word is "Minicon" rather than "Mini-Con" why would you undo all that since we have EVIDENCE presented in the novels of the spelling? It's the same thing as "Dino" vs "Mirage" for the specific forms of fiction. It's changed as it is presented, and in this case "Minicon" is the correct one. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 20:44, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:Because we've had misparsed words showing in official TF side-items for many years (BlackArachnia, anyone?), and frankly, I don't trust Alex Irvine to get anything right. The odds of the spelling showing up on Hasbro packaging as "Minicon" are pretty low, and until we see Hasbro PROEPER use it consistently, then we're going with what Hasbro PROPER has used. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:51, 2 February 2012 (EST)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for banning that asshat. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 11:26, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

== Darkness Rising, Part 5 ==
Why did the edit about Miko and Soundwave taking pictures of each other get reverted? I'm not raging, just asking so I should know what to post and what not to post under References. [[Special:Contributions/78.128.95.132|78.128.95.132]] 18:27, 8 August 2012 (EDT)
: Because that was not a reference. That was a coincidence. Not all similarities are references. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 8 August 2012 (EDT)

==Arc caption==
Was the joke unclear? Because in either case, I don't particularly favor the femmephobic joke you put there. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:"Femmephobic"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:30, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::There's a thing called Google. But it comes down to lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women, because it's seen as inferior. This wiki is way past just pointing out stereotypes - it's actively participating in femmephobia with its propensity for remarks about the color pink (among mány other things). In particular, *I* hate pink jokes around TFP Arcee, and therefore also Arc, because Arcee's usual color was not altered for her, but for Jack, so he would not be lowered for associating with feminine attributes.
::My joke tried to play into the fact that she is a knife and that Transformer 'blood' (energon, right?) is pink. It wasn't perhaps the best formulated or particularly funny, but at least it wasn't problematic either.
::So, I ask you to at least leave the caption blank if my joke wasn't good. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:45, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::What a steaming pile you've plopped down there, and how ''dare'' you. You'll pardon me if I find that giving Arcee a Micron partner that's pink, ''literally'' has stiletto heels, a heart for a face, and hands sculpted in that splayed-out palms-to-the-floor tee-hee pose just a ''wee'' bit out of place. Combine that with her on-show personality, which is more or less a "diva" and a love target for various characters, and it's a parade of sad cliches, shoving her into the trope of "GIRLY GIRL PINK GIRL" being her only character trait. Which I find dreadful, not because "pink + girl = auto-bad forever", but because hey, sometimes, a female character ''doesn't need to be pink and girly''. There are lots of ways to be a girl. Defaulting the '''''only''''' female character in the lot to nothing more than pink-and-pretty is bluntly insulting. Arcee is feminine without being a pile of "gender-normative" cliches. To see Arc backslide so far is disappointing at best.
:::It has nothing, ''nothing'' to do with "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior", as you so idiotically put it, and EVERYTHING to do with it seemingly being THE ONLY ROLE OPTION FOR FEMALES AS DECIDED UPON BY PREDOMINANTLY MALE-RUN ENTERPRISES AND AIMED AT A PREDOMINANTLY YOUNG MALE AUDIENCE. ''THAT'', if you ask me, is the REAL "lack of appreciation".
:::And I'd really, ''really'' love a source on your claim as to how pink would "lower" Jack and THAT being the reason for Arcee's coloration.
:::(And by the way, energon is ''light blue'' in Prime. Which would have been a far better choice of colors for Arc. still wouldn't have solved the sculpting issues though.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:26, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::How ''dare'' I? Oh, excuse me, male person. I, as female person, should not have assumed to know anything about the female identity and its stereotypes and how they should be talked about without creating further harm. I mean, it's not like I could have first-hand experience. And the fact I left this wiki over a year ago partially because of the heterosexual (cis)male entitlement here is also something I must've dreamed up. Apologies. How dare I?
::::I give you [http://parrotbeak.tumblr.com/post/30725648699/crowd-about-arcee-how-come-in-the-old-one-she this] as my evidence for the Jack = blue claim.
::::That energon is blue in TFP is a good argument against my joke, though. Still not one in favor of yours. If all those other things bother you about Arc as well, why not comment on any of thém? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:40, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". You came out with the presumption of the ''worst'' possible reason, using charged language, so yes. Offense is going to be taken. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Geewunling, you need to understand the difference between trends in gender perception across society as a whole and the choices of individuals. Yes, society is ruled by males and these males have decided for everyone what "feminine" means. But this is charting a trend. It's something you can only measure as a pile of thousands or millions of choices. You cannot draw these same insidious conclusions from one person, and you can't accuse one person of committing the crime that an entire society perpetuates. For example, one movie that doesn't pass the Bechdel Test isn't sexist, but most movies not passing the Bechdel Test is indicative of a sexist society. You are making that mistake here. You may know more about being female than a male because you are a female, but you don't know more about Sipher's motivations in creating a caption than he does, for that same reason. Instead, you've decided to mark him and his actions unfavorably by assuming his motivations are synonymous with All Males Everywhere. And because of this, you have accused him of hating girls -- not because he's demonstrated that he hates girls, but because he's said something about the color pink. Pink is a complicated color because it's wrapped up in gender roles, and attitudes towards that color can be numerous and contradictory, and it is simply impossible to concentrate those feelings down into an accurate accusation against a lone human being. A feminist could hate or love pink depending on their experiences with the color, and both reactions could be right. It would be wiser to deal with Sipher as an individual with his own thoughts and motivations -- albeit within a sexist society. He is not that society. Remember that when dealing with other people. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:23, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::To M Sipher (and ItsWalky for the defense): I called the joke femmephobic, not you. And even if I would've called you femmephobic, I did not say anything about intent. It has little to do with 'reasons', and all the more with a system of conventions that are tough to make visible.
::::::Do I mind a pink joke or think less of the person who made it? No. Do I feel upset about having seen (and changed) some thirty+ jokes around here about male characters/men being not worth basic consideration for dressing in pink, about female characters/women ''not'' having pink in their look (which adds to the stereotype where it is averted), and female characters/women in pink being inherently inferior to ones who aren't? A little. And I can give you the full list if you want me to. It just is not about you, it's about everything.
::::::All I ask for is a different joke, one that doesn't serve to rebuild a collection I've tried to kill off. If only because repetitive jokes are a reading enjoyment-killer.
::::::P.S., ItsWalky, don't assume I don't know feminism. It's condescending and kind of a weird assumption given the conversation so far. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:39, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::At no point did I assume you didn't know feminism. In fact, I wrote my entire spiel with the exact opposite assumption. The term "cisgendered" isn't exactly thrown around by the unequipped. If I wrote at-length or in great detail, it's because this topic is complicated and this is not a private conversation between you and I, plus I thought explaining my thoughts plainly and clearly was better than being curt and snarky. Once again you assume the worst in others without first attempting to understand them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::(As an aside, I always assumed Arc was pink merely because those are Arcee's secondary colors.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:36, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Alright, critique withdrawn. I was thrown off by the fairly elaborate explanation of the Bechdel Test and color pink, and the reassertion I'd been targeting M Sipher rather than, you know, the joke.
::::::::Whereas my request for another joke is standing, I also withdraw concerns for an immediate change. There's a reason I can name all instances of a pink joke on this wiki, and once it's finished I could as well try to kick off a community discussion with it that better communicates the problem. Which is not, and never was, one person/man's doing. Nor did I say that. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:27, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:50, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

== Kickshift ==
Alright, not that I'm trying to accuse you of something and piss you off more than you already are, but do you know anything about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User:AutobotKickshift?oldid=391195 this]? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 20:30, 14 October 2012 (EDT)
:1) Who said I'm pissed off? It takes a LOT more than a run-of-the-mill twit to piss me off. 2) That's Wikia. I don't GO there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:43, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

== Shield Master O.P. A ==

I was lurking at the Allspark, and noticed you made a thread about O.P. A. For your information, the O.P. A you have may be an error. I own the Shield Master set, and my O.P. A has a light-teal/light-blue crystal instead of the medium-blue crystal color of the Cosmotector trio. Hope this helps. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 04:43, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

== Deadlock (episode) ==

Why did you undo my edit on [[Deadlock|this]] page? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 00:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)
: You were adding unnecessary commentary, versus information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
:: Can't you just edit the page, not undoing the edit? Can't we have a little fun here? The page don't need fun, so why you wrote the caption of the pictures with it? My edit is incomplete, why don't you edit and complete it? My grammar is poor, why don't you fix it? My edit is uninformative, why don't you fix the uninformative part? My edit is unnecessary, why don't you ¡UNDO IT AND TELL ME if my edit isn't necessary? My edit is full of mistakes and should be fixed, why don't you ¡FIX IT AND TELL ME so I can make myself better? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 02:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)

== White Ironfist vs. Tan Ironfist ==

I admit I based my note off the screencaps on his page, which seemed to indicate that Fisitron's two biggest portrayals (otherwise known as his only portrayals) replaced the tan of his toy with white. Given that, why remove my note when it seemed to be accurate? Or am I just colour-blind? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:06, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:Because he's tan. I've got LSOTW right in front of me and he is consistently tan. It's a lighter, more desaturated tan, but EVERYONE'S colors are lighter and desaturated. That's IDW's look. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:13, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::Ah, okay. Guess that's my bad for trying to extrapolate a pattern without having the comics on hand. So much for contributing outside of reverting anonymous morons and the occasional caption...he is still white in WoH, though, right? Can I take consolation in being half-right? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:49, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:::He is very white in WoH. But, yeah, tan in LSOTW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:54, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::::Righto. Complaint withdrawn. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 04:36, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

== Divide and Conquer ==

I believe it to be a deliberate reference, but if this has been discussed and decided against, that's fair enough; It being deleted with reason is fine by me, but deletion of something I deemed valid without reasons given understandably led me to add it again. Also, i'd rather a more diplomatic approach than just 'do not post this again'-like I said, I was unaware that I was in error. --[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 23:47, 4th September 2013
:The reason was given TWICE, and you added it again afterward anyway. And no, this wiki is not in the habit of listing every vague coincidence as intentional reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:57, 4 September 2013 (EDT)

I've already said that I understand that decision. I'm a newcomer here, so i'll take this opportunity to apologise for irritating behaviour but also plead ignorance in that I didn't know better. Despite accepting that I may have accidentally caused irritation, I have to admit that your reaction has been a bit arsey and very newcomer-unfriendly.--[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 01:21, 4th September 2013

== Soundwave ==

I find your decision to remove my comment on Soundwave being present during PR due to being 'unnecessary' odd, to be honest. How many entries under notes sections are 'necessary'? I found this to be of interest, and interest is subjective. What I said was not incorrect, nor did it present a problem. I think you've made an unfair decision here. Can you really delete other people's contributions based on what you think is interesting?
:Soundwave is completely absent from the movie, thoroughly irrelevant to the plot in every respect. It'd be like commenting on the lack of humans, Airachnid, Insecticons or Decepticon miners. We don't remark on the absences of cast members unless said absence poses continuity issues. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:58, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

Your response was pretty definitive, and I'm not trying to be obnoxious by continuing this, but my point was that he probably was present; it was a 'Soundwave is actually there the whole time' comment, not vice versa. However,another contributor has since pointed out that, as we can't be sure of Soundwave's actions between the movie and the episode, his whereabouts can't be proved and so my comment was speculative, which to my mind is reason enough to not include it, but I found your reasoning less understandable.
I appreciate that it was an inconsequential bit of trivia, but then many of the notes on this wiki seem equally, if not less trivial, so i'm wondering what constitutes acceptable notes? [[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]]

== Re:Random Kreon in Beast Hunters set? ==

I'm not sure. The scan of the instructions the guy posted showed it had a different color scheme from the first Kreon version of Knock Out. But if it does turn out to be random, feel free to remove it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 20:35, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

== Hero Mashers ==

I think you have to clarify more than "Fuck this noise" when you're merging all the Hero Mashers back despite them having their own universal stream cluster. Canon's not really on your side. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:08, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
:I left the (HM) pages intact so "canon" can be appeased. There's canon, and then there's stupidly obfuscating information by not having blatantly-based-on-specific-iterations-of-characters merch on the relevant pages because of some micro-reference in something the overwhelming majority of readership will basically never see. We do readers a disservice with the latter. I don't like just assuming someone's going to dig through a disambig link chain to maybe find stuff like this, and since we repeat full toy sections for repurposings, I don't see why repeating Hero Mashers or the like would be a problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:15, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
::That's fair enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:16, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

==Intruders==

Are the Intruders who built Medusa the same as the Intruders from G.I. Joe? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:09, 18 July 2015 (EDT)

== Spambots ==

There's another one: [[User:Sdsfs]] -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:24, 3 February 2016 (EST)

==Misdirection==

I tried, i changed the file type, and i did a multiple image upload, so i couldnt give them all a correct discription. Will they be readded, or shall i do them individually? -
Junkheap117
Also, you need to calm your shit. It's just a fucking unofficial website, and you go on like it means the world to you. GET A FUCKING LIFE.
:Guess who's getting a time-out? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:34, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

==Angry Birds Transformers Characters and Accessories==
Thanks for taking the time to fill in information for the Angry Birds Transformers characters.
So far we're still missing comphrehensive profiles for Chuck, Hal, and the Minion Pig seekers. Could you also 'spice up' Red's Ultimate, Nemesis, and Epic Optimus Prime's profiles? (I wrote those profiles, but they're just information basic.)

The current Challenge event is for getting both Bumblebees' accessories, so for this and future events, could you make sure to get the gem costs of the accessories ''before'' getting them with tokens? Or else would take extra replaying from scratch to figure out the what the original gem costs were.

Also, some of the accessories were token-only exclusives, so you may have to change the cost columns for the accessories tables a bit.
--[[User:Woo224|Woo224]] ([[User talk:Woo224|talk]]) 23:14, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

==Uploads==

Hi, im a new user and when i upload an image it says i dont have permission to creat a new page. I have multiple screenshots from the new RID episode but i cant uplaod them, Any ideas? Thanks
--[[User:Hardshell101|Hardshell101]]

== Apology ==

Sorry about disrupting your work on the ''Combiner Wars'' toyline page. I didn't think you had progressed down that far yet. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:25, 2 October 2016 (EDT)

== Hiding pages from Recent Changes? ==

I had no idea my personal page edits were cluttering up the Recent Changes page; my bad. Is it possible for me to just hide everything under my username page from Recent Changes? I just find it much easier to work on individual subsections... but given how many there are it's going to keep cluttering RC until I'm done (and I keep wanting to make tweaks here and there). Thanks. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:52, 27 February 2017 (EST)
:Just noticed the "Minor edit" checkbox; I'll use that from now on for my stuff. Sorry again for my posts. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:54, 27 February 2017 (EST)

== Model Numbers? / Formatting - table vs list==

Hey, I noticed that you've deleted model numbers off of most of the toyline pages, which is very useful information. I registered to place them back in, but after a couple edits I notice that somebody undid them already. Apologies if I went about this wrong, but how can we get the model #'s reinstated onto the collection pages? =)

Also, when you deleted the model numbers for many pages, you converted the formatting from simple straight-down lists to table formats. As a result, everything looks more cluttered and less organized now. With model numbers in place, even though the page may be slightly longer, at least everything looks much more organized in numerical order. Would it be possible to consider putting everything back into straight-down list views? (but keep the improvements, such as the cool new mini-icons, etc.)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:48, 3 March 2017 (EST)
Ok, I suppose that's just cosmetic - but what about model #'s? That's actually functional information, which for some reason was stripped from many of the toyline pages? The only way to view that information now is to go back and look at older page revisions...
::Or you can click the link to the toy where all the toy-specific info goes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:47, 3 March 2017 (EST)
Hey, thanks for your reply - I understand that you can click on each individual link, but it's more convenient for all the information to be collected in one place (particularly with Japanese toylines, for foreign collectors). Anyway, I wrote down some thoughts on the "Transformers Unite Warriors" discussion page, and won't push this any further - was just giving some suggestions from an outside user, which I thought might be helpful. I'll stick to simple edits & corrections from now on, and just appreciate the wiki for what it has to offer - thanks... =)
:::"All the information collected in one place" is called page bloat and over-redundancy, which in the past led to unreadable, ugly, overlong pages that challenged readers to slog through it all. A toyline page is meant to be a broad-strokes overview with links to more detailed pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:59, 4 March 2017 (EST)
I understand what you're saying about excessive information being "bloat", but model numbers are typically only 2-5 characters long and serve greatly to organize information, and provide a look of uniformity to lists; they are such integral pieces of information for many toys (and in many cases, synonymous with their names), particularly for Takara figures from Japan, and especially for collectors working on their collections. For example, Henkei Optimus is C-01 Convoy, United Megatron (the best version from the Classics Voyager mold) is UN-09 Megatron, Transformers Legends Arcee is LG10 Arcee, RobotMasters Optimus w/ DVD is RM-10 Convoy+DVD, Masterpiece Optimus is either MP-1/MP-4 or MP-10, Masterpiece Rodimus is either MP-9 or MP-28, etc. - these figures are referred to as such all over the web, on ebay, in forums, articles, buy/sale/trade lists, etc. For any collector, this information is invaluable and would never be considered as bloat if collected on a wiki toyline information page.

With all due respect (I know you and other have worked very hard on this site!), but if you look at all the pages pre- and post- overhaul where you reformatted into 4-column tables and stripped out model numbers (Transformers Unite Warriors, Transformers Legends (franchise), Transformers United, Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline), Robotmasters (franchise), etc.) - every single one of these pages looked cleaner and better laid out, and with MORE information (ie - model numbers), before the redesign than after. I think I know what you were trying to achieve (I used to work in web dev in a past life), but the current table implementation only looks good when wave distributions are fairly even (the "Transformers: Generations" page looks pretty decent in most places, except for the Japan section); however, in most other instances where waves are unevenly distributed, and information is presented in left-to-right then down fashion, it ends up being a convoluted mess that is more difficult to follow than necessary (due to uneven whitespacing, and having to scan waves left-to-right but then downwards per wave).

In fact, one easy improvement would be if you were to just simply flip the axis and list the waves top-down then right, then everything would read much better and be easier to follow, and would look better with uneven wave distributions (and then if model numbers were reinstated, they would look good as well because they would appear uniform and increase numerically as you're scanning down the lists). Another thing to consider - I know that it probably took a bit of effort to standardize on the current 4-column table view, and that uniformity across pages is desirable, but sometimes the one-size-fits-all approach is not necessarily the best. The Unite Warriors page is a pretty good example of this - the new version looks quite scattered, and is actually MORE bloated (in both page size, and vertical scroll area) even though information has been omitted (model #'s). There's no reason why those 12 entries shouldn't just be a simple downwards list like it was before, with just the new insignia mini-icons added (and model #'s intact!).

Anyway, as I said before, I didn't mean to push this any further - I like tfwiki too much, and don't want to risk offending any of you who control the site. I sought only to help and to give some constructive feedback for consideration, from the viewpoint of an outside user who has found the information collected here invaluable, but happened to notice some of the pages being changed for the worse and becoming more difficult to use. Anyway, thanks again for your time & long live tfwiki... =)

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Fronkinsteen:

AMBIGUITY IS THE FLAVOR OR LIFE!

YOU WOULD ROB US OF OUR MYSTERIES!

Dumping everything written was not required, unless Wikipedia automatically saves what I have written somewhere.

==Autobot Officer==

Uh. Oopsies? Didn't know you were getting pics, too. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Americanised spelling ==
Hi there, PacifistPrime the originator of the [[Scale]] article here. Thanks for cleaning up some of the typos. However, is it really neccessary to "correct" all my spelling by changing it to Americanised spelling? Is there actually a rule here that one has to use American spelling instead of, well... to be frank: the way the rest of world's users of the English Language spell? No offence intended, just asking. Let me know. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:I would think "yes", since this is an Amerocentric wiki and consistency looks professional. I don't realistically believe we'll ever achieve that because there are too many people from too many regions contributing, and further there are a lot of variations in how people type regardless of what area they're from. I can't stand putting two spaces between sentences, but I wouldn't be offended if someone changed a page I worked on to use them. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==What edit are you talking about?==
If you're talking about my submission about Blackarachnia's telekinesis, it is NOT baseless speculation; she did use telekinesis in Master Blaster against Rampage, and although they never said where she got it, it is very likely that the psychic link she had with Tarantulas was upgraded during her Transmetalization. Watch the episode; you'll see Blackarachnia's eyes glow green, levitate an I-beam, and fling it at Rampage. The episode was right after Crossing the Rubicon (where Blackarachnia became a TM2), and 18 episodes after Tangled Web, when Blackarachnia forced Tarantulas to terminate their mind link after four episodes (and in case you want to contest it, Other Visits made a mention of the mind link, and how it worked both ways, meaning that BA had some remnants of the link, at the very least some of Tarantulas' memories, if not some other side effects).[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 15:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not Sipher, but I agree that it's speculation that doesn't belong here. Her glowing eyes echo the glowing tendrils involved in Cheetor's TM2-ification. It's a Transmetal 2 thing, and I see nothing whatsoever to connect it with the former mental link she shared with Tarantulas. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Beast Wars Video Game ==

Hey Siph- I finally picked up a copy of the BW Game off e-bay (the original snap I made was from the demo.)

I'm nto very far into it (finding time this summer is tough) but thus far there's been no mention of the Skriix. Were they named in the game booklet or something? ('cuz i lack the booklet.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
: I'm trying to remember WHERE they were named. It might have been promotional materials. It's not in the booklet, I know that... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I theeeeeenk it might've been in one of the pre-mission "briefings" that came up before you started each level. Level... three, I want to say? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, then I just haven't played it enough to get that info. Thanks!
:::Was there anything of value at all in the booklet that I'm missing out on? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

ok, but what about those pages that are wanted?

you can't say a whole lot about say the third episode of Five Faces of Darkness can you?

other than that, what do you think of my wording?

and btw, theres a weird random page about weather in london but wasn't deleted, joke I'm not aware of maybe?
--[[User:DracoJesi|DracoJesi]] 18:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload issues==
Are you having any problems with image uploads? For some reason the wiki isn't uploading my images onto the server. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Twirl toy image==
Can you upload a photo of her robot and vehicle modes? Preferably against a 'neutral' background to fit with the rest of the toy pics. She is too awesome to go without toy photos, methinks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==Megatron's Brazilian Voice Actor==
Howdy ho! Hey, you said that the information about Megatron's voice actor in the film was on the wrong place when i put it on his page.
Where would be the right place?
I was thinking that maybe if i mentioned that José Santacruz plays a REALLY monstrous Megs, much similar to the one Hugo Weaving did, maybe it could go where i originally intended?
Thanks for the time.--[[User:akumateukuma|akumateukuma]] 11:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Rartorata==
I don't really appreciate the "fuck you" in your edit summary, Siph. After the last round of discussion in October I thought -- due to lack of voiced disagreement -- that the names were going to be toned down to just ones that sound at least slightly like his real name, which personally I consider quite important. I reverted an anonymous change to the article which went against that "rule", and now you're cursing me out. That is quite uncool. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Create-A-Bot's Alt-modes==

I'm currently reworking the format and putting it in a more relevant form. It's not that it isn't important, but that the method in which it was added was inappropriate. I believe the original version went something like this.

"Just like his heroic counterpart, Create-A-Bot can adapt into numerous forms that can change his status, but several of his forms cannot be accessed in the game, but can be obtained by WiFi points by visiting the official Activition website. The altmodes are..."

and then listed them in a long and hard to read cluster. This not only is confusing, but also give the impression that ALL of the alt-modes have to be unlocked. So, instead of having a list, I am going to add an easier to read section in each article.

- ''Update'': The sections have been finished and added. Sorry about before, I guess I just forgot to leave a message on the Discussion page about it. -- [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Prowl Redirect ==

The wiki's lack of warning strikes again. I have made certain to preview every edit I do, looking for a warning that I'm editing an outdated version of the page. While I was making that edit, you redirected the page. When I previewed my edit, it gave no warning that anything had changed, so I submitted it—which undid the move. At least the new redirect included my clean-up...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Robot Heroes ==

There are clear packaging pics of all that are on TFW2005 (I think, I went from Seibertron.com). Not sure where from, but it isn't like they've been secretly leaked to me.

[[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

: So... stolen. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's some links, right here

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=161976

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=8828&dispsize=800&start=0

http://seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12219

Anyone and their mother can see them. I see nowhere that they've been stolen and find it hard to believe Hasbro wouldn't have seen the pics after a day or two, considering Stealth Bumblebee. We've seen Cheetor, Rattrap, and Megatron before anyway. I'm leaving them there. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:We've seen them because they were ''stooooooooooooooolen''. They have ''noooot'' been officially announced by Hasbro or any official sales solicitations anywhere. Therefore, they are not to be put on this wiki until they are. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

We saw the prototypes (Not Blackarachnia) months ago. They've been on this Wiki with the exception of Blackarachnia for months. If I absolutly cannot add her and the confirmed lineups, I will change it back to the way it was before. The protos have been and still are available for the rest and have been for months. I think, THINK they were from Botcon, but I'm unsure. Comic-Con? [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, several were shown at Botcon 2007; maybe at Comic-Con too, I dunno. But for the ones that weren't, our own policy (specifically [[Help:Coming_soon]] ) means we need to leave them alone until there's something official. Without a hard and fast policy, there's no fair way to declare what should and shouldn't be here when gray areas arise. Besides which, we're not trying to be a news site. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that a good compromise? There is no info there that seems unacceptable to me. I apologize for getting off on the wrong foot. The article on Smash Bros. Brawl on Wikipedia has made me defensive. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 03:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==You don't get to annoy and rule-break your way back to good graces.==
Unless you're me, that is. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

==Weird bootleg minicons==
Are you still looking for the various KO minicons? A store by me has the purple/yellow Star Saber team, the constructicon-esque Military team, and the weird combining remolds, if you're still interested. Also, they have inexplicably huge amounts of WCW Nitro cologne. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Anchors==
Have you noticed that each anchor line inserts a new blank line into the page formatting? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:I see four choices: 1) accept the extra blank formatting line, 2) put the anchors at the end of the last line of the preceding section, 3) dirty up the code by replacing the blank formatting lines with the anchor template lines, or 4) put the anchor code at the end of the "title" section it anchors to, which may result in the page link manifesting with its section title scrolled off the screen. For OP G1, for the purposes of getting my Stormbringer trivia edit in, I'm going with 2, for now. I'll fix it when we've got a decision. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 03:15, 14 February 2008 (EST)

== Telemocha episodes ==

Let's see,
:TM-01 Primal: 02
:TM-02 Megatron: 04
:TM-03 Cheetor: 05
:TM-04 Waspinator: 06
:TM-05 Dinobot: 09
:TM-06 Blackarachnia: 10
:TM-07 Corada: 11
:TM-08 Arcadis: 20
:TM-09 Rhinox: 03
:TM-10 Wolfang: 08
:TM-11 Tigatron: 07
:TM-12 Gimlet: 12
:TM-13 Motorarm: 21
:TM-SP Primal: 01 & 15
:TM-SP Megatron: 13 & 14

So far, that's episodes 1-15, 20, and 21 --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

== New Mini-Con ==

Just a heads-up: If you haven't heard yet, there's another Mini-Con/Micron store exclusive due from Japan. Starting March 13, the first 10 customers to buy J-release TF Classics toys at any Toys "R" Us get a free Skyglide, a red recolor of Steelwind from the Clear Skies Team, probably meant to homage Powerglide. (This is from ''Figure King'' #121, according to Autobase Aichi. I don't think there are any images in the article.) I'm not sure where this info should be put into the wiki. There doesn't seem to be enough info to set up an article of its own yet. A "coming soon" notice on the main Mini-Con page until we know more, maybe?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Mech Version ==

I tried a Google search and didn't find anything right off. I DID find Yahoo Japan auction listings which listed it in kana as メッキ, which is definitely "chromed" and not "mech". Point me to the site, please?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
: That's the kana on TakaraTomy's page for the set http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/other/index.html ... but isn't that kana "Meh-(shorten next)-ki"? "Mech"? Wouldn't "chromed" be an entirely different set of kana? The ones used for "Chromebite"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::No. Check it out by copy-pasting the katakana into the translation box at Jim Breen's. While クローム isn't unknown in Japan (Heck, it's what they call Stylor), the general term for chrome-plated parts is メッキ. (Technically, it's 鍍金 or 滅金, but perhaps because those can also be pronounced "tokin" and mean "pretense", it's usually rendered in katakana.) I first figured that by seeing it used in instructions for snap-together model kits which included such pieces. "Mech" is usually rendered メカ, as in short for "mechanism".--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Heroes of Cybertron Cat? ==

Hey, are you going to populate a Heroes of Cybertron category? Dirge currently is all alone there, and I was about to delete the cat from his page to help clean up the Wanted Cats page. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
: Why the fuck would you delete it? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: First of all, I'm here to discuss the matter ''before'' I do anything rash, so I don't think I deserve the swearing. Chill.
:: Second of all, I considered deleting the link to the cat because the cat doesn't exist, and there's no demonstrable desire for it to exist, as shown by the fact that there's only one article in it.
:: But, third, if you were intending to fill out the category, so that it reaches the minimum number of entries we require to justify a category, I fully support you in that. I'm just asking if that's your plan, or if you expect other people to take care of it. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==this may sound awkward...==
r u a guy or a girl? if it says anywhere on ur talk page, i just kinda skimmed thru it.i always assumed u were a girl, but decided not 2 call u 1. if u know what happened last time [[User:Inferno'sQueen|someone's]] gender was mistaken. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 20:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
: Yes, he is a girl. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::You can tell by Sipher's pink armor plating.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:If he's a girl, then he's in serious need of [[Greg Sepelak|electrolysis]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== "lay odds?" ==

what odds? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:y'know, ya still haven't answered the question..[[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::And yet by pestering him, ''you'' have.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:::huh? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 19:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Soundwave edits by 143.239.7.2 ==

Okay, the whole Gurren Lagan/gattai history business is drawing parallels that are either speculative or outside the intended scope of the wiki. (A note might be made somewhere of Soundwave's combining method, though. Is it unique within TF lore?) However, why excise the directly TF-related material—i.e., noting the homages to the original Soundwave?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's the section Sipher removed due to (as I believe he put it) being "blatantly obvious."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

==Scourge Edit==

That's the second time that my trivia post for RiD Scourge was deleted. It's a valid point, and I dunno why you guys are refusing to allow it, especially since there seems to be no qualms on here with making tranny jokes about Override or Airazor. Kind of hypocritical, ne?
[[User:64.13.101.210|64.13.101.210]] 23:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
: No, not at all. Because Airazor and Override did legitimately, officially change genders in translation. Scourge... drumroll... ''has always been male, and has never ever ever been officially hinted as having the remotest female whatever ever''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, I'm spamming ==

Canvassing a few talkpages here so we can get folks to weigh in and finalize the potential Wiki image policy. Your input would be appreciated at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Images]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== blocking help ==

Lets just say a acount has been blocked, and I cant even edit my talk page. Could you
tell me whats up. [[User:F1 fan|F1 fan]] 04:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== Please Provide More Details ==
...as to why you removed the army building reference in the Starscream clone article. A simple rephrasing could have eliminated any problems you have with the word "Clearly". I dont mean to seem bitchy/pushy, but I really think that it was a good contribution to the article. [[Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)]] --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

==Ironhide==
I read your thing about Botcon, very interesting. But the chances that Ironhide's southern accent doesn't originate from Cullen's are very low indeed. If you listen to the two voices, Ironhide's voice in Animated has a slightly different style. The most likely explanation is that the idea of the accent was taken from Cullen's 'Hide, while the sound of the accent was modelled on the other guys. And both should be noted in page. Something like "The idea of a southern accent is most likely based on G1 Ironhide, however the particular variant/vernacular(whatever) is based on such and such". [[User:GWolfv2]] 19.20 May 31st
: No. I'm goddamn sick of over-reaching desperate "THIS MUST BE GEEWUN REFERENCE". Especially when we're talking about an analogue to a G1 character... at BEST, it's "no shit, Sherlock" (you mean a guy based on G1 Ironhide has slightly-G1-Ironhide-like traits?! NOOO!), at worst, it's a desperate grab for a non-reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh...well, I said my piece...nice to know you're keeping your head and not getting worked up over nothing btw [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.01 May 31st
:::Nice to know you're supporting the spread of idiotic misinformation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

As the only staff member online at the moment as far as I know, can you make a decision about the latest Animated episode's title? We have two separate groups of editors working on two different articles for this episode. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:31, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Original photo watermark ==

Hey, I'm working on finishing cleaning up the Magmatron photos I took before the crash. Do you still have that TFWiki watermark template handy?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:07, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

for fixing up the Stormbringer description I did. I think my original edit summary was lost, but I had basically only done that because I thought it was important in explaining why Optimus got over feeling unworthy - and you summed it up a lot better than I ever could.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:38, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

==Yo==
[[Image_talk:Alt-toy_AiKuruma.jpg]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:48, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Vandalism warning ==

Guess who's back. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:42, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Awesome job, man. ==
{{gigantionaward}}
Really love the style you're doing the Micromaster Combiner toy photos in. Nicely done.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:22, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
: I concur. I think you deserve one of those prizes for services to the wiki. Excellent, excellent work. Keep it up! 08:10, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, I proposed the TFWiki Funbux as our official monetary reward. I too concur on a great you did. I especially like how you indication which half is which character in the combined vehicle pics. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:35, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I actually made what amounts to a TFWiki "barnstar" once. And yep, Siph deserves it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 09:13, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Showdown translations==
Hey, Sipher. Just to save you time and a headache, I already translated the Showdown names, they're at [[Japanese ID number list#Beast Wars]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:01, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Linkage ==

I just wanted to thank you for going in and adding the megadata (like pub data) to the Linkage articles... I was trying to figure out when it was published yesterday, and I had to go back to some of your original ''usenet'' posts to confirm it spanned 2003 and 2004. (I suspected it did... but you know... that's not the same as being sure.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

BTW, I'm curious as to why you have them as <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 3]]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 6]]</nowiki>, and such, because that makes me think we'll be directing to the DVDs themselves... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:33, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
:Because we ''will'' be, like I said when I reverted them? The individual DVDs totally should have their own articles. I think it's stupid to NOT have articles on the individual home releases of whatever. If we have articles on trade paperbacks, we should have articles on the home videos. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::Ah. My bad. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 05:33, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

[http://members.fortunecity.com/msipher/transform/linkage/linkage.html Your site], linked from the [[Linkage (comic)|Linkage articles]], seems to be down/gone. Is there an alternate? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 14:48, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

== Hey, ==

Is "Image:PsychoOrb-toy.jpg" one of yours? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:46, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:Yes. I actually have a shadowless, watermarked version of that... and several others... that I just haven't gotten around to uploading. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:35, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== IDW Dates ==

To answer your question... while the solicitations of course give an idea of what will come out at ''some'' point during a month, usually we only get one month's worth of specific dates around the end of the previous month/beginning of that month via Tipton's blog and IDW's newsletter.

...so I guess the short answer is "no, we don't have specific dates for December or January stuff yet". Although we should get November's dates soon. I guess we could put in question-marked placeholders based on the solicitations... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:27, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Returns airdates ==

[http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html The site] Jon T referred me to had all the listings and from what I could tell going by the months I know the show premiered in Japan, plus the consistency between the airdates, it all looks legit to me. So I scrolled through each month, matched up the Japanese titles with the ones on this site to make sure the Japanese and Western episode orders were the same, and here are all the original Japanese airdates for the series:

*The Reformatting 2004/11/ 6
*Master of the House 2004/11/ 7
*Fires of the Past 2004/11/13
*Mercenary Pursuits 2004/11/14
*Forbidden Fruit 2004/11/20
*The Weak Component 2004/11/21
*Revelations Part I: Discovery 2004/11/27
*Revelations Part II: Descent 2004/11/28
*Revelations Part III: Apocalypse 2004/12/ 4
*Survivor 2004/12/ 5
*The Key 2004/12/11
*The Catalyst 2004/12/12
*End of the Line 2004/12/18
*Fallout 2004/12/19
*Savage Noble 2004/12/25
*Prometheus Unbound 2004/12/26
*In Darkest Knight 2005/ 1/ 1
*A Wolf in the Fold 2005/ 1/ 2
*Home Soil 2005/ 1/ 8
*Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike 2005/ 1/ 9
*Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search 2005/ 1/15
*Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege 2005/ 1/16
*Spark of Darkness 2005/ 1/22
*Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral 2005/ 1/23
*Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall 2005/ 1/29
*Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future 2005/ 1/30

Have at them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:19, 19 December 2009 (EST)

==Kiss Purge==
Good show on the Kiss Player == HORRIBLE purge. Some people (read: most people) don't seem to understand restraint.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:54, 2 March 2010 (EST)

==FemTF article==
Ehrm, sorry if I am being pushy, but some time ago you said you wanted to take a look at what you could improve on [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|my draft XXL]] for a new femTF page. I'll have finished up education duties in about a week and would like to continue and finally be done with the damn thing, so if it's possible you can take a look at it by then/around that time, I'd be really grateful. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:41, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

== Pst ==

There's a link to "Mass delete" at the bottom of the list of [[Special:Specialpages]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Edits ==

So overall, I saw several minor adjustments to the pages I made today, and I've noted them for any pages I make in the future. I didn't see any major revisions, though. Are the pages I did mostly okay, as long as I keep an eye out for the things you had to come behind me and fix? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 23:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

== Crankstart and suffering... ==

http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Crankstart&diff=prev&oldid=461445

*retires to a safe distance* :p - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 22:51, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
: [[Transformers_Wiki:Caption#Captions_and_jokes_we.27re_sick_of]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:04, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

== Silas and meltdown ==

The MECH agent piloting the helicopter outright said that the D.N.G.S. didn't meltdown after Prime's trailer was destroyed by the Vehicons. So Silas does know about the meltdown thing. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:22, 5 March 2011 (EST)
:There's a world of difference between knowing a radioactive thing will meltdown and knowing that it would be a ''five-state'' meltdown. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:28, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Congrats ==

You nabbed my obvious sock.

And ''only'' my obvious sock. The not-so-obvious one is still out there, waiting to be found.....

-Blackout-

==Divebomb==
Naw, that's Space Case again. You can ''juuust'' see the blue snakeskin grid deco alongside his cockpit. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:13, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

==Khon==
In "Dungeons & Dinobots", would Khon be a new location or a typo of Kaon? (P.S., please say the former) [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 10:05, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== ... ==

What constant steam of negativity? <strike>And a death ray is really negative!!</strike> [[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 12:05, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

== Spam ==

Does [[User talk:Dynamic|THIS]] count as Spam?--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 13:18, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

==Albitron==
You wouldn't happen to know what magazines MiB advertised Albitron and Swoop in, would you? Tracking those down to get scans of them seems like something to do. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 19:15, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

== Power Core Combiners ==

Just a shout out, I love your PCC fig pics, they look awesome! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 11:05, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:On [[Heavytread (PCC)|Heavytread]], the prehistoric comment was a joke in reference to his instrux pairing him up with the dinobots limbs.[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 00:51, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

== Quizno's Talking Oven... ==

I totally agree with your opinion on that commercial. [[Special:Contributions/50.36.116.49|50.36.116.49]] 14:51, 12 December 2011 (EST)

== Woah woah woah, why revert my "Minicon" edits? ==

In the Aligned universe the spelling for the word is "Minicon" rather than "Mini-Con" why would you undo all that since we have EVIDENCE presented in the novels of the spelling? It's the same thing as "Dino" vs "Mirage" for the specific forms of fiction. It's changed as it is presented, and in this case "Minicon" is the correct one. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 20:44, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:Because we've had misparsed words showing in official TF side-items for many years (BlackArachnia, anyone?), and frankly, I don't trust Alex Irvine to get anything right. The odds of the spelling showing up on Hasbro packaging as "Minicon" are pretty low, and until we see Hasbro PROEPER use it consistently, then we're going with what Hasbro PROPER has used. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:51, 2 February 2012 (EST)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for banning that asshat. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 11:26, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

== Darkness Rising, Part 5 ==
Why did the edit about Miko and Soundwave taking pictures of each other get reverted? I'm not raging, just asking so I should know what to post and what not to post under References. [[Special:Contributions/78.128.95.132|78.128.95.132]] 18:27, 8 August 2012 (EDT)
: Because that was not a reference. That was a coincidence. Not all similarities are references. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 8 August 2012 (EDT)

==Arc caption==
Was the joke unclear? Because in either case, I don't particularly favor the femmephobic joke you put there. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:"Femmephobic"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:30, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::There's a thing called Google. But it comes down to lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women, because it's seen as inferior. This wiki is way past just pointing out stereotypes - it's actively participating in femmephobia with its propensity for remarks about the color pink (among mány other things). In particular, *I* hate pink jokes around TFP Arcee, and therefore also Arc, because Arcee's usual color was not altered for her, but for Jack, so he would not be lowered for associating with feminine attributes.
::My joke tried to play into the fact that she is a knife and that Transformer 'blood' (energon, right?) is pink. It wasn't perhaps the best formulated or particularly funny, but at least it wasn't problematic either.
::So, I ask you to at least leave the caption blank if my joke wasn't good. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:45, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::What a steaming pile you've plopped down there, and how ''dare'' you. You'll pardon me if I find that giving Arcee a Micron partner that's pink, ''literally'' has stiletto heels, a heart for a face, and hands sculpted in that splayed-out palms-to-the-floor tee-hee pose just a ''wee'' bit out of place. Combine that with her on-show personality, which is more or less a "diva" and a love target for various characters, and it's a parade of sad cliches, shoving her into the trope of "GIRLY GIRL PINK GIRL" being her only character trait. Which I find dreadful, not because "pink + girl = auto-bad forever", but because hey, sometimes, a female character ''doesn't need to be pink and girly''. There are lots of ways to be a girl. Defaulting the '''''only''''' female character in the lot to nothing more than pink-and-pretty is bluntly insulting. Arcee is feminine without being a pile of "gender-normative" cliches. To see Arc backslide so far is disappointing at best.
:::It has nothing, ''nothing'' to do with "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior", as you so idiotically put it, and EVERYTHING to do with it seemingly being THE ONLY ROLE OPTION FOR FEMALES AS DECIDED UPON BY PREDOMINANTLY MALE-RUN ENTERPRISES AND AIMED AT A PREDOMINANTLY YOUNG MALE AUDIENCE. ''THAT'', if you ask me, is the REAL "lack of appreciation".
:::And I'd really, ''really'' love a source on your claim as to how pink would "lower" Jack and THAT being the reason for Arcee's coloration.
:::(And by the way, energon is ''light blue'' in Prime. Which would have been a far better choice of colors for Arc. still wouldn't have solved the sculpting issues though.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:26, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::How ''dare'' I? Oh, excuse me, male person. I, as female person, should not have assumed to know anything about the female identity and its stereotypes and how they should be talked about without creating further harm. I mean, it's not like I could have first-hand experience. And the fact I left this wiki over a year ago partially because of the heterosexual (cis)male entitlement here is also something I must've dreamed up. Apologies. How dare I?
::::I give you [http://parrotbeak.tumblr.com/post/30725648699/crowd-about-arcee-how-come-in-the-old-one-she this] as my evidence for the Jack = blue claim.
::::That energon is blue in TFP is a good argument against my joke, though. Still not one in favor of yours. If all those other things bother you about Arc as well, why not comment on any of thém? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:40, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". You came out with the presumption of the ''worst'' possible reason, using charged language, so yes. Offense is going to be taken. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Geewunling, you need to understand the difference between trends in gender perception across society as a whole and the choices of individuals. Yes, society is ruled by males and these males have decided for everyone what "feminine" means. But this is charting a trend. It's something you can only measure as a pile of thousands or millions of choices. You cannot draw these same insidious conclusions from one person, and you can't accuse one person of committing the crime that an entire society perpetuates. For example, one movie that doesn't pass the Bechdel Test isn't sexist, but most movies not passing the Bechdel Test is indicative of a sexist society. You are making that mistake here. You may know more about being female than a male because you are a female, but you don't know more about Sipher's motivations in creating a caption than he does, for that same reason. Instead, you've decided to mark him and his actions unfavorably by assuming his motivations are synonymous with All Males Everywhere. And because of this, you have accused him of hating girls -- not because he's demonstrated that he hates girls, but because he's said something about the color pink. Pink is a complicated color because it's wrapped up in gender roles, and attitudes towards that color can be numerous and contradictory, and it is simply impossible to concentrate those feelings down into an accurate accusation against a lone human being. A feminist could hate or love pink depending on their experiences with the color, and both reactions could be right. It would be wiser to deal with Sipher as an individual with his own thoughts and motivations -- albeit within a sexist society. He is not that society. Remember that when dealing with other people. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:23, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::To M Sipher (and ItsWalky for the defense): I called the joke femmephobic, not you. And even if I would've called you femmephobic, I did not say anything about intent. It has little to do with 'reasons', and all the more with a system of conventions that are tough to make visible.
::::::Do I mind a pink joke or think less of the person who made it? No. Do I feel upset about having seen (and changed) some thirty+ jokes around here about male characters/men being not worth basic consideration for dressing in pink, about female characters/women ''not'' having pink in their look (which adds to the stereotype where it is averted), and female characters/women in pink being inherently inferior to ones who aren't? A little. And I can give you the full list if you want me to. It just is not about you, it's about everything.
::::::All I ask for is a different joke, one that doesn't serve to rebuild a collection I've tried to kill off. If only because repetitive jokes are a reading enjoyment-killer.
::::::P.S., ItsWalky, don't assume I don't know feminism. It's condescending and kind of a weird assumption given the conversation so far. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:39, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::At no point did I assume you didn't know feminism. In fact, I wrote my entire spiel with the exact opposite assumption. The term "cisgendered" isn't exactly thrown around by the unequipped. If I wrote at-length or in great detail, it's because this topic is complicated and this is not a private conversation between you and I, plus I thought explaining my thoughts plainly and clearly was better than being curt and snarky. Once again you assume the worst in others without first attempting to understand them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::(As an aside, I always assumed Arc was pink merely because those are Arcee's secondary colors.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:36, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Alright, critique withdrawn. I was thrown off by the fairly elaborate explanation of the Bechdel Test and color pink, and the reassertion I'd been targeting M Sipher rather than, you know, the joke.
::::::::Whereas my request for another joke is standing, I also withdraw concerns for an immediate change. There's a reason I can name all instances of a pink joke on this wiki, and once it's finished I could as well try to kick off a community discussion with it that better communicates the problem. Which is not, and never was, one person/man's doing. Nor did I say that. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:27, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:50, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

== Kickshift ==
Alright, not that I'm trying to accuse you of something and piss you off more than you already are, but do you know anything about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User:AutobotKickshift?oldid=391195 this]? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 20:30, 14 October 2012 (EDT)
:1) Who said I'm pissed off? It takes a LOT more than a run-of-the-mill twit to piss me off. 2) That's Wikia. I don't GO there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:43, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

== Shield Master O.P. A ==

I was lurking at the Allspark, and noticed you made a thread about O.P. A. For your information, the O.P. A you have may be an error. I own the Shield Master set, and my O.P. A has a light-teal/light-blue crystal instead of the medium-blue crystal color of the Cosmotector trio. Hope this helps. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 04:43, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

== Deadlock (episode) ==

Why did you undo my edit on [[Deadlock|this]] page? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 00:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)
: You were adding unnecessary commentary, versus information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
:: Can't you just edit the page, not undoing the edit? Can't we have a little fun here? The page don't need fun, so why you wrote the caption of the pictures with it? My edit is incomplete, why don't you edit and complete it? My grammar is poor, why don't you fix it? My edit is uninformative, why don't you fix the uninformative part? My edit is unnecessary, why don't you ¡UNDO IT AND TELL ME if my edit isn't necessary? My edit is full of mistakes and should be fixed, why don't you ¡FIX IT AND TELL ME so I can make myself better? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 02:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)

== White Ironfist vs. Tan Ironfist ==

I admit I based my note off the screencaps on his page, which seemed to indicate that Fisitron's two biggest portrayals (otherwise known as his only portrayals) replaced the tan of his toy with white. Given that, why remove my note when it seemed to be accurate? Or am I just colour-blind? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:06, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:Because he's tan. I've got LSOTW right in front of me and he is consistently tan. It's a lighter, more desaturated tan, but EVERYONE'S colors are lighter and desaturated. That's IDW's look. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:13, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::Ah, okay. Guess that's my bad for trying to extrapolate a pattern without having the comics on hand. So much for contributing outside of reverting anonymous morons and the occasional caption...he is still white in WoH, though, right? Can I take consolation in being half-right? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:49, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:::He is very white in WoH. But, yeah, tan in LSOTW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:54, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::::Righto. Complaint withdrawn. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 04:36, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

== Divide and Conquer ==

I believe it to be a deliberate reference, but if this has been discussed and decided against, that's fair enough; It being deleted with reason is fine by me, but deletion of something I deemed valid without reasons given understandably led me to add it again. Also, i'd rather a more diplomatic approach than just 'do not post this again'-like I said, I was unaware that I was in error. --[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 23:47, 4th September 2013
:The reason was given TWICE, and you added it again afterward anyway. And no, this wiki is not in the habit of listing every vague coincidence as intentional reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:57, 4 September 2013 (EDT)

I've already said that I understand that decision. I'm a newcomer here, so i'll take this opportunity to apologise for irritating behaviour but also plead ignorance in that I didn't know better. Despite accepting that I may have accidentally caused irritation, I have to admit that your reaction has been a bit arsey and very newcomer-unfriendly.--[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 01:21, 4th September 2013

== Soundwave ==

I find your decision to remove my comment on Soundwave being present during PR due to being 'unnecessary' odd, to be honest. How many entries under notes sections are 'necessary'? I found this to be of interest, and interest is subjective. What I said was not incorrect, nor did it present a problem. I think you've made an unfair decision here. Can you really delete other people's contributions based on what you think is interesting?
:Soundwave is completely absent from the movie, thoroughly irrelevant to the plot in every respect. It'd be like commenting on the lack of humans, Airachnid, Insecticons or Decepticon miners. We don't remark on the absences of cast members unless said absence poses continuity issues. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:58, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

Your response was pretty definitive, and I'm not trying to be obnoxious by continuing this, but my point was that he probably was present; it was a 'Soundwave is actually there the whole time' comment, not vice versa. However,another contributor has since pointed out that, as we can't be sure of Soundwave's actions between the movie and the episode, his whereabouts can't be proved and so my comment was speculative, which to my mind is reason enough to not include it, but I found your reasoning less understandable.
I appreciate that it was an inconsequential bit of trivia, but then many of the notes on this wiki seem equally, if not less trivial, so i'm wondering what constitutes acceptable notes? [[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]]

== Re:Random Kreon in Beast Hunters set? ==

I'm not sure. The scan of the instructions the guy posted showed it had a different color scheme from the first Kreon version of Knock Out. But if it does turn out to be random, feel free to remove it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 20:35, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

== Hero Mashers ==

I think you have to clarify more than "Fuck this noise" when you're merging all the Hero Mashers back despite them having their own universal stream cluster. Canon's not really on your side. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:08, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
:I left the (HM) pages intact so "canon" can be appeased. There's canon, and then there's stupidly obfuscating information by not having blatantly-based-on-specific-iterations-of-characters merch on the relevant pages because of some micro-reference in something the overwhelming majority of readership will basically never see. We do readers a disservice with the latter. I don't like just assuming someone's going to dig through a disambig link chain to maybe find stuff like this, and since we repeat full toy sections for repurposings, I don't see why repeating Hero Mashers or the like would be a problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:15, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
::That's fair enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:16, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

==Intruders==

Are the Intruders who built Medusa the same as the Intruders from G.I. Joe? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:09, 18 July 2015 (EDT)

== Spambots ==

There's another one: [[User:Sdsfs]] -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:24, 3 February 2016 (EST)

==Misdirection==

I tried, i changed the file type, and i did a multiple image upload, so i couldnt give them all a correct discription. Will they be readded, or shall i do them individually? -
Junkheap117
Also, you need to calm your shit. It's just a fucking unofficial website, and you go on like it means the world to you. GET A FUCKING LIFE.
:Guess who's getting a time-out? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:34, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

==Angry Birds Transformers Characters and Accessories==
Thanks for taking the time to fill in information for the Angry Birds Transformers characters.
So far we're still missing comphrehensive profiles for Chuck, Hal, and the Minion Pig seekers. Could you also 'spice up' Red's Ultimate, Nemesis, and Epic Optimus Prime's profiles? (I wrote those profiles, but they're just information basic.)

The current Challenge event is for getting both Bumblebees' accessories, so for this and future events, could you make sure to get the gem costs of the accessories ''before'' getting them with tokens? Or else would take extra replaying from scratch to figure out the what the original gem costs were.

Also, some of the accessories were token-only exclusives, so you may have to change the cost columns for the accessories tables a bit.
--[[User:Woo224|Woo224]] ([[User talk:Woo224|talk]]) 23:14, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

==Uploads==

Hi, im a new user and when i upload an image it says i dont have permission to creat a new page. I have multiple screenshots from the new RID episode but i cant uplaod them, Any ideas? Thanks
--[[User:Hardshell101|Hardshell101]]

== Apology ==

Sorry about disrupting your work on the ''Combiner Wars'' toyline page. I didn't think you had progressed down that far yet. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:25, 2 October 2016 (EDT)

== Hiding pages from Recent Changes? ==

I had no idea my personal page edits were cluttering up the Recent Changes page; my bad. Is it possible for me to just hide everything under my username page from Recent Changes? I just find it much easier to work on individual subsections... but given how many there are it's going to keep cluttering RC until I'm done (and I keep wanting to make tweaks here and there). Thanks. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:52, 27 February 2017 (EST)
:Just noticed the "Minor edit" checkbox; I'll use that from now on for my stuff. Sorry again for my posts. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:54, 27 February 2017 (EST)

== Model Numbers? ==

Hey, I noticed that you've deleted model numbers off of most of the toyline pages, which is very useful information. I registered to place them back in, but after a couple edits I notice that somebody undid them already. Apologies if I went about this wrong, but how can we get the model #'s reinstated onto the collection pages? =)

== Formatting - table vs list ==

Also, when you deleted the model numbers for many pages, you converted the formatting from simple straight-down lists to table formats. As a result, everything looks more cluttered and less organized now. With model numbers in place, even though the page may be slightly longer, at least everything looks much more organized in numerical order. Would it be possible to consider putting everything back into straight-down list views? (but keep the improvements, such as the cool new mini-icons, etc.)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:48, 3 March 2017 (EST)
Ok, I suppose that's just cosmetic - but what about model #'s? That's actually functional information, which for some reason was stripped from many of the toyline pages? The only way to view that information now is to go back and look at older page revisions...
::Or you can click the link to the toy where all the toy-specific info goes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:47, 3 March 2017 (EST)
Hey, thanks for your reply - I understand that you can click on each individual link, but it's more convenient for all the information to be collected in one place (particularly with Japanese toylines, for foreign collectors). Anyway, I wrote down some thoughts on the "Transformers Unite Warriors" discussion page, and won't push this any further - was just giving some suggestions from an outside user, which I thought might be helpful. I'll stick to simple edits & corrections from now on, and just appreciate the wiki for what it has to offer - thanks... =)

Talk:Transformers Unite Warriors

2017-03-04T00:47:00Z

Fronkinsteen:

Talk:Robotmasters (franchise)

2017-03-03T22:01:47Z

Fronkinsteen: /* Model Numbers */ new section

==Franchise Nav?==

Robot Masters has a toyline, a cartoon and two different comic articles. It should probably get its own franchise nav box. However, I dunno how to make one of those, so... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:45, 8 December 2009 (EST)

:[[Template:Nav-robotmasters|Here ya go]], just fix the links. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:42, 8 December 2009 (EST)

::Awesome. Thanks, Derik. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:46, 8 December 2009 (EST)

:::And while we're at it: we have franchises with smaller articles that have the toyline split from the franchise page. Could we do that here too? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:19, 8 December 2009 (EST)
::::Is there an advantage to doing so? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:21, 8 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Not really, I guess. It allows for easier linking, though. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:53, 8 December 2009 (EST)

== Parsing ==
{{note|Moved to [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive53#Robot_Masters_parsing]]}}

== Model Numbers ==

Why are model numbers being stripped from these information pages? That's valuable information that should be left on all the toyline pages, whenever possible...

Transformers Legends (franchise)

2017-03-03T20:51:17Z

Fronkinsteen: fix Rhinox link

{{disambig3|Legends}}
{{Nav-Legends}}

'''''Transformers Legends''''' (トランスフォーマーレジェンズ ''Toransufōmā Rejenzu'') is a [[TakaraTomy]] toyline, beginning in [[2014]] and following in the footsteps of ''[[Transformers United]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Generations#Generations in Japan|Transformers Generations]]''. It mostly consists of [[Hasbro]] ''Generations'' toys released by TakaraTomy with more premium/accurate paint jobs. It created some confusion in the [[fandom]] when it was first announced due to it sharing its name with a common [[size class]], with several fans speculating if the line would be all small-sized releases.

It is accompanied by a lighthearted [[Transformers Legends (comic)|web comic]]. Each toy also includes an issue of a spinoff of the web comic, focusing on the character it is packed with.

==Toys==
===General retail===

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[October 25|10-25]]-[[2014]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#Legends|Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Rattrap (BW)/toys#Legends|Rattle]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[November 29|11-29]]-2014)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Roadbuster (G1)#Legends|Roadbuster]]}}
{{Bp-vh|[[Tankor (BM)#Legends|Tankor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Whirl (G1)#Legends|Whirl]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[December 27|12-27]]-2014)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-p1|[[Sky-Byte (RID)#Legends|Gelshark]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Legends|Jetfire]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[January 24|1-24]]-[[2015]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Swerve (G1)#Legends|Swerve]] & [[Tailgate (G1)#Legends|Tailgate]] (w/ [[Phaser#Legends|Phaser]] & [[Neutro#Legends|Groundshaker]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Brainstorm (G1)#Legends|Brainstorm]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=3|[[File:TakaraLegends LG06 Gelshark.jpg|thumb|200px|Gelshark]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[February 14|2-14]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Arcee (G1)/toys#Legends|Arcee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Chromia (G1)#Legends|Chromia]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Windblade (G1)#Legends|Windblade]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[May 30|5-30]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Legends|Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[September 19|9-19]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Legends|Ultra Magnus]] (w/ [[Alpha Trion (G1)#Legends|Alpha Trion]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 8''' ([[October 24|10-24]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-p1|[[Blackarachnia (BW)/toys#Legends|Blackwidow]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Nightbird (G1)#Legends|Nightbird Shadow]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Slipstream (Animated)#Legends|Slipstream]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 9''' ([[January 30|1-30]]-[[2016]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (Armada)/toys#Legends|Armada Starscream Super Mode]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 10''' ([[February 29|2-29]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Springer (G1)/toys#Legends|Sprung]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 11''' ([[May 28|5-28]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Skids (G1)#Legends|Skids]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 12''' ([[July 23|7-23]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Galvatron (G1)/toys#Legends|Galvatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hardhead (G1)#Legends|Hardhead]] (w/ [[Tankette#Legends|Tankette]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Skullcruncher (G1)#Legends|Skull]] (w/ [[Batora#Legends|Batora]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 13''' ([[August 27|8-27]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Blurr (G1)/toys#Legends|Blurr]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Scourge (G1)/toys#Legends|Scourge]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Legends|Shockwave]] & [[Cancer (Masterforce)#Legends|Cancer]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 14''' ([[September 24|9-24]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Blaster (G1)/toys#Legends|Broadcast]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Legends|Fortress Maximus]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Rewind (G1)#Legends|Rewind]] & [[Nightbeat (G1)#Legends|Nightbeat]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Weirdwolf (G1)#Legends|Weirdwolf]] (w/ [[Rarigo#Legends|Rarigo]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wheelie (G1)#Legends|Wheelie]] & [[Shūta Gō#Legends|Goshooter]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 15''' ([[November 26|11-26]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Chromedome (G1)#Legends|Chromedome]] (w/ [[Moguru#Legends|Moguru]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Highbrow (G1)#Legends|Highbrow]] (w/ [[Karugo#Legends|Karugo]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Mindwipe (G1)#Legends|Wipe]] (w/ [[Servant#Legends|Servant]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 16''' ([[December 28|12-28]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Brainstorm (G1)#LG39|Brainstorm]] (w/ [[Synapse (Legends)#Legends|Synapse]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Legends|Condor]] & [[Apeface#Legends|Apeface]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ginrai (human)#Legends|Super Ginrai]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ravage (G1)/toys#Legends|Jaguar]] & [[Bullhorn (Masterforce)#Legends|Bullhorn]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Legends|Soundwave]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF-Legends-LG25-Blurr.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Blurr]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 17''' ([[January 28|1-28]]-[[2017]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Legends|Astrotrain]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 18''' ([[February 25|2-25]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|[[Lio Convoy#Legends|Leo Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 19''' ([[May 19|5-19]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Godbomber#Legends|Godbomber]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 20''' ([[August 26|8-26]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Trypticon (G1)#Legends|Dinosaurer]]}}
</ul>
|}
{{comingsoontoy|Waves 19 and beyond not released yet}}

{{-}}

===Exclusives===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[e-HOBBY]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Convobat#Toys|Convobat]] (w/ [[Megalligator]] and [[Ape X Arms]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Drift (G1)#Legends|Deadlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Magna Convoy]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Tokyo Toy Show''' ([[June 20|6-20]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Scourge (RID)#Legends|Black Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (Armada)/toys#Legends|Armada Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Transformers Fes2016''' ([[May 7|5-7]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|[[Rattrap (BW)/toys#LGEX|Rattle]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Rhinox (BW)/toys#Legends|Rhinox]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Waspinator (BW)/toys#Legends|Waspeeter]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Transformers Fes2017''' (2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Headmaster Set (includes [[Brawn (G1)/toys#Legends|Gong]], [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Legends|Grimlock]], [[Flywheels#Legends|Flywheel]], [[Duros#HeadmasterSet|Hardhead]], [[Stylor#HeadmasterSet|Chromedome]], and [[Arcana#HeadmasterSet|Brainstorm]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:TF-Legends-LGEX-Convobat.jpg|right|thumb|200px|e-HOBBY Convobat]]
|}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Legends (franchise)}}
[[Category:Japanese franchises]]
[[Category:Japanese toylines]]
[[Category:Legends franchise| ]]

Transformers Legends (franchise)

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{{disambig3|Legends}}
{{Nav-Legends}}

'''''Transformers Legends''''' (トランスフォーマーレジェンズ ''Toransufōmā Rejenzu'') is a [[TakaraTomy]] toyline, beginning in [[2014]] and following in the footsteps of ''[[Transformers United]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Generations#Generations in Japan|Transformers Generations]]''. It mostly consists of [[Hasbro]] ''Generations'' toys released by TakaraTomy with more premium/accurate paint jobs. It created some confusion in the [[fandom]] when it was first announced due to it sharing its name with a common [[size class]], with several fans speculating if the line would be all small-sized releases.

It is accompanied by a lighthearted [[Transformers Legends (comic)|web comic]]. Each toy also includes an issue of a spinoff of the web comic, focusing on the character it is packed with.

==Toys==
===General retail===

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[October 25|10-25]]-[[2014]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#Legends|Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Rattrap (BW)/toys#Legends|Rattle]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[November 29|11-29]]-2014)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Roadbuster (G1)#Legends|Roadbuster]]}}
{{Bp-vh|[[Tankor (BM)#Legends|Tankor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Whirl (G1)#Legends|Whirl]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[December 27|12-27]]-2014)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-p1|[[Sky-Byte (RID)#Legends|Gelshark]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Legends|Jetfire]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[January 24|1-24]]-[[2015]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Swerve (G1)#Legends|Swerve]] & [[Tailgate (G1)#Legends|Tailgate]] (w/ [[Phaser#Legends|Phaser]] & [[Neutro#Legends|Groundshaker]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Brainstorm (G1)#Legends|Brainstorm]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=3|[[File:TakaraLegends LG06 Gelshark.jpg|thumb|200px|Gelshark]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[February 14|2-14]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Arcee (G1)/toys#Legends|Arcee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Chromia (G1)#Legends|Chromia]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Windblade (G1)#Legends|Windblade]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[May 30|5-30]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Legends|Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[September 19|9-19]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Legends|Ultra Magnus]] (w/ [[Alpha Trion (G1)#Legends|Alpha Trion]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 8''' ([[October 24|10-24]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-p1|[[Blackarachnia (BW)/toys#Legends|Blackwidow]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Nightbird (G1)#Legends|Nightbird Shadow]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Slipstream (Animated)#Legends|Slipstream]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 9''' ([[January 30|1-30]]-[[2016]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (Armada)/toys#Legends|Armada Starscream Super Mode]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 10''' ([[February 29|2-29]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Springer (G1)/toys#Legends|Sprung]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 11''' ([[May 28|5-28]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Skids (G1)#Legends|Skids]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 12''' ([[July 23|7-23]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Galvatron (G1)/toys#Legends|Galvatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hardhead (G1)#Legends|Hardhead]] (w/ [[Tankette#Legends|Tankette]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Skullcruncher (G1)#Legends|Skull]] (w/ [[Batora#Legends|Batora]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 13''' ([[August 27|8-27]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Blurr (G1)/toys#Legends|Blurr]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Scourge (G1)/toys#Legends|Scourge]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Legends|Shockwave]] & [[Cancer (Masterforce)#Legends|Cancer]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 14''' ([[September 24|9-24]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Blaster (G1)/toys#Legends|Broadcast]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Legends|Fortress Maximus]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Rewind (G1)#Legends|Rewind]] & [[Nightbeat (G1)#Legends|Nightbeat]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Weirdwolf (G1)#Legends|Weirdwolf]] (w/ [[Rarigo#Legends|Rarigo]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wheelie (G1)#Legends|Wheelie]] & [[Shūta Gō#Legends|Goshooter]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 15''' ([[November 26|11-26]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Chromedome (G1)#Legends|Chromedome]] (w/ [[Moguru#Legends|Moguru]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Highbrow (G1)#Legends|Highbrow]] (w/ [[Karugo#Legends|Karugo]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Mindwipe (G1)#Legends|Wipe]] (w/ [[Servant#Legends|Servant]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 16''' ([[December 28|12-28]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Brainstorm (G1)#LG39|Brainstorm]] (w/ [[Synapse (Legends)#Legends|Synapse]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Legends|Condor]] & [[Apeface#Legends|Apeface]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ginrai (human)#Legends|Super Ginrai]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ravage (G1)/toys#Legends|Jaguar]] & [[Bullhorn (Masterforce)#Legends|Bullhorn]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Legends|Soundwave]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF-Legends-LG25-Blurr.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Blurr]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 17''' ([[January 28|1-28]]-[[2017]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Legends|Astrotrain]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 18''' ([[February 25|2-25]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|[[Lio Convoy#Legends|Leo Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 19''' ([[May 19|5-19]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Godbomber#Legends|Godbomber]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 20''' ([[August 26|8-26]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Trypticon (G1)#Legends|Dinosaurer]]}}
</ul>
|}
{{comingsoontoy|Waves 19 and beyond not released yet}}

{{-}}

===Exclusives===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[e-HOBBY]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Convobat#Toys|Convobat]] (w/ [[Megalligator]] and [[Ape X Arms]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Drift (G1)#Legends|Deadlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Magna Convoy]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Tokyo Toy Show''' ([[June 20|6-20]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Scourge (RID)#Legends|Black Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (Armada)/toys#Legends|Armada Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Transformers Fes2016''' ([[May 7|5-7]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|[[Rattrap (BW)/toys#LGEX|Rattle]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Rhinox (BW)#Legends|Rhinox]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Waspinator (BW)/toys#Legends|Waspeeter]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Transformers Fes2017''' (2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Headmaster Set (includes [[Brawn (G1)/toys#Legends|Gong]], [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Legends|Grimlock]], [[Flywheels#Legends|Flywheel]], [[Duros#HeadmasterSet|Hardhead]], [[Stylor#HeadmasterSet|Chromedome]], and [[Arcana#HeadmasterSet|Brainstorm]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:TF-Legends-LGEX-Convobat.jpg|right|thumb|200px|e-HOBBY Convobat]]
|}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Legends (franchise)}}
[[Category:Japanese franchises]]
[[Category:Japanese toylines]]
[[Category:Legends franchise| ]]

Transformers United

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[[File:TFUnited logo.jpg|center|upright=2.2]]

'''''Transformers United''''' (トランスフォーマーユナイテッド ''Toransufōmā Yunaiteddo'') is a Japanese [[TakaraTomy]] toyline initially comprising [[redeco]]s from [[Hasbro]]'s ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'', [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']], and ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toylines, later expanding its focus to become something of a dumping ground for molds from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] and the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' line which have never previously been released by Takara. Much like TakaraTomy's release of the ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Transformers Animated]]'' toyline, some of these Japanese versions have glossy metallic paint jobs. As a continuation of a marketing strategy introduced during the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 live-action movie toyline]], most of the characters retain their American names.

In 2012, the line became '''United EX''', and oddly consisted entirely of (expensive) [[redeco]]s of ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' figures. Don't ask us.

Also in 2012 were several Asian-market (excluding Japan) releases for ''United'', consisting of redecoes likely meant to fill in "holes" in collectors' collections.

==Fiction==
===United===
*A comic series in [[Hero-X|Million Publishing]]'s latest ''Transformers Generations'' volumes, including "[[A New Battle!]]" and "[[The Fierce Fighting on Planet Nebulos]]".
*''[[Macrocosmic Seekers]]'', a series of prose stories taking place during ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (franchise)|Transformers 2010]]''.
*An extended toy commercial giving descriptions of all the first-wave characters.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EejvhYAGCzE ''United'' toy commercial]</ref> Though light on continuity, it does show the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War-for-Cybertron]]''-based toys [[trans-scan]]ning into [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation-1]]-based modern [[Earth]] forms, a connection not made explicit in any other ''United'' fiction.

===United EX===
*A [[Transformers United EX|story]] told in back-of-package chapters, showcasing the origins of the [[Power Core Combination|Power Core Combiners]] in an adventure set in [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Japanese cartoon continuity]], simultaneous with ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination (franchise)|Operation Combination]]''.

==Toys==
===Regular retail===
<big>'''''United'''''</big>
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[December 25|12-25]]-[[2010]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#UnitedEarth|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#United|Bumblebee Cybertron Mode]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#United|Cliffjumper Cybertron Mode]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Drift (G1)#United 2|Autobot Drift]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#UnitedEarth|Megatron]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#United|Megatron Cybertron Mode]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UnitedEarth|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#United|Optimus Prime Cybertron Mode]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#United|Soundwave Cybertron Mode]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Straxus (G1)#United 2|Straxus]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[January 29|1-29]]-[[2011]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grapple (G1)#United 2|Autobot Grapple]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jazz (G1)/toys#United|Autobot Jazz]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Lugnut (TF 2010)#United 2|Decepticon Lugnut]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Tracks (G1)/toys#United|Autobot Tracks]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[February 26|2-26]]-2011)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Blurr (G1)/toys#United|Autobot Blurr]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Kup (G1)/toys#United|Autobot Kup]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Perceptor (G1)/toys#United|Autobot Perceptor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wreck-Gar (G1)#United|Wreck-Gar]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:Unitedtoy bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Bumblebee]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[March 26|3-26]]-2011)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#United|Laser Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Rumble (G1)/toys#United|Rumble]] & [[Frenzy (G1)#United|Frenzy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Scourge (G1)/toys#United|Decepticon Scourge]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#United|Wheeljack]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[January 28|1-28]]-[[2012]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#United|Tank Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#United|Rodimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Thunderwing (G1)#United 2|Thunderwing]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Warpath (G1)/toys#United|Warpath]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Windcharger (G1)#United|Windcharger]] vs [[Wipe-Out#United|Decepticon Wipe-Out]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[February 25|2-25]]-2012)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Axalon (BW)#United 2|Axalon]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (BW)/toys#United|Beast Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#United|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ark (G1)|Ark]] [[Unicron/toys#United|Unicron]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:Unitedtoy axalon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Axalon]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Asian market releases'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#United|Ultra Magnus]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Bruticus (G1)#United|Bruticus Maximus]] ([[Blast Off (G1)#United|Blast Off]], [[Brawl (G1)#United|Brawl]], [[Onslaught (G1)#United|Onslaught]], [[Swindle (G1)#United|Swindle]], [[Vortex (G1)#United|Vortex]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Chinese market releases'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]]: Aces ([[Skywarp (G1)/toys#United|Skywarp]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#United|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#United|Thundercracker]])}}
{{Bp-d1|Seekers: Elites ([[Dirge (G1)/toys#United|Dirge]], [[Ramjet (G1)/toys#United|Ramjet]], [[Thrust (G1)/toys#United|Thrust]])}}
|}

{{-}}
<big>'''''United EX'''''</big>
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[September 22|9-22]]-[[2012]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Onslaught (G1)#United EX 2|Combatmaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Tread Bolt#United EX 2|Jetmaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Straxus (G1)#United EX 2|Rollermaster]] vs [[Blaze Master#United EX 2|Choppermaster]] (w/ [[Spanner (United)#Toys|Spanner]] & [[Firebug (United)#Toys|Firebug]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 8''' ([[October 20|10-20]]-2012)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Roadblock (G2)#United EX 2|Dozermaster]] vs [[Sky High (Micromaster)#United EX 2|Airmaster]] (w/ [[Groundbreak#Toys|Groundbreak]] & [[Deduce#Toys|Deduce]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Kakuryu#United EX 2|Grimmaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Rapido#United EX 2|Racemaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Detritus (G1)#United EX 2|Roadmaster]] Prime Mode}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 9''' ([[November 17|11-17]]-2012)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Clouder#United EX 2|Assaultmaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Gravedigger#United EX 2|Buildmaster]] Prime Mode}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Grindcore (G1)#United EX 2|Tankmaster]] vs [[Manta Ray (G2)#United EX 2|Marinemaster]] (w/ [[Wheezel (United)#Toys|Wheezel]] & [[Rotorbolt (United)#Toys|Rotorbolt]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:Unitedtoy roadmaster.jpg|thumb|200px|Roadmaster Prime Mode]]
|}
{{-}}

===Exclusives===

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''BIC Camera / Yodobashi Camera'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Fracas#United 2|Fracas]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Spoilsport#United|Spoilsport]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[e-HOBBY]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|Autobot Set ([[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#United|Hot Rod Clear Blue Version]], [[Kup (G1)/toys#UnitedDamage|Autobot Kup Damage Version]], [[Scrapheap (G1)#United|Scrapheap]])}}
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{{Bp-a1|[[Ricochet (Headmasters)#United 2|Stepper]] (w/ [[Nebulon (Headmasters)|Nebulon]])}}
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==References==
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==External links==
*[http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/products/TF/products/united.html TakaraTomy's ''United'' page]

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User talk:M Sipher

2017-03-03T20:35:16Z

Fronkinsteen:

AMBIGUITY IS THE FLAVOR OR LIFE!

YOU WOULD ROB US OF OUR MYSTERIES!

Dumping everything written was not required, unless Wikipedia automatically saves what I have written somewhere.

==Autobot Officer==

Uh. Oopsies? Didn't know you were getting pics, too. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Americanised spelling ==
Hi there, PacifistPrime the originator of the [[Scale]] article here. Thanks for cleaning up some of the typos. However, is it really neccessary to "correct" all my spelling by changing it to Americanised spelling? Is there actually a rule here that one has to use American spelling instead of, well... to be frank: the way the rest of world's users of the English Language spell? No offence intended, just asking. Let me know. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:I would think "yes", since this is an Amerocentric wiki and consistency looks professional. I don't realistically believe we'll ever achieve that because there are too many people from too many regions contributing, and further there are a lot of variations in how people type regardless of what area they're from. I can't stand putting two spaces between sentences, but I wouldn't be offended if someone changed a page I worked on to use them. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==What edit are you talking about?==
If you're talking about my submission about Blackarachnia's telekinesis, it is NOT baseless speculation; she did use telekinesis in Master Blaster against Rampage, and although they never said where she got it, it is very likely that the psychic link she had with Tarantulas was upgraded during her Transmetalization. Watch the episode; you'll see Blackarachnia's eyes glow green, levitate an I-beam, and fling it at Rampage. The episode was right after Crossing the Rubicon (where Blackarachnia became a TM2), and 18 episodes after Tangled Web, when Blackarachnia forced Tarantulas to terminate their mind link after four episodes (and in case you want to contest it, Other Visits made a mention of the mind link, and how it worked both ways, meaning that BA had some remnants of the link, at the very least some of Tarantulas' memories, if not some other side effects).[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 15:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not Sipher, but I agree that it's speculation that doesn't belong here. Her glowing eyes echo the glowing tendrils involved in Cheetor's TM2-ification. It's a Transmetal 2 thing, and I see nothing whatsoever to connect it with the former mental link she shared with Tarantulas. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Beast Wars Video Game ==

Hey Siph- I finally picked up a copy of the BW Game off e-bay (the original snap I made was from the demo.)

I'm nto very far into it (finding time this summer is tough) but thus far there's been no mention of the Skriix. Were they named in the game booklet or something? ('cuz i lack the booklet.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
: I'm trying to remember WHERE they were named. It might have been promotional materials. It's not in the booklet, I know that... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I theeeeeenk it might've been in one of the pre-mission "briefings" that came up before you started each level. Level... three, I want to say? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, then I just haven't played it enough to get that info. Thanks!
:::Was there anything of value at all in the booklet that I'm missing out on? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

ok, but what about those pages that are wanted?

you can't say a whole lot about say the third episode of Five Faces of Darkness can you?

other than that, what do you think of my wording?

and btw, theres a weird random page about weather in london but wasn't deleted, joke I'm not aware of maybe?
--[[User:DracoJesi|DracoJesi]] 18:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload issues==
Are you having any problems with image uploads? For some reason the wiki isn't uploading my images onto the server. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Twirl toy image==
Can you upload a photo of her robot and vehicle modes? Preferably against a 'neutral' background to fit with the rest of the toy pics. She is too awesome to go without toy photos, methinks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==Megatron's Brazilian Voice Actor==
Howdy ho! Hey, you said that the information about Megatron's voice actor in the film was on the wrong place when i put it on his page.
Where would be the right place?
I was thinking that maybe if i mentioned that José Santacruz plays a REALLY monstrous Megs, much similar to the one Hugo Weaving did, maybe it could go where i originally intended?
Thanks for the time.--[[User:akumateukuma|akumateukuma]] 11:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Rartorata==
I don't really appreciate the "fuck you" in your edit summary, Siph. After the last round of discussion in October I thought -- due to lack of voiced disagreement -- that the names were going to be toned down to just ones that sound at least slightly like his real name, which personally I consider quite important. I reverted an anonymous change to the article which went against that "rule", and now you're cursing me out. That is quite uncool. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Create-A-Bot's Alt-modes==

I'm currently reworking the format and putting it in a more relevant form. It's not that it isn't important, but that the method in which it was added was inappropriate. I believe the original version went something like this.

"Just like his heroic counterpart, Create-A-Bot can adapt into numerous forms that can change his status, but several of his forms cannot be accessed in the game, but can be obtained by WiFi points by visiting the official Activition website. The altmodes are..."

and then listed them in a long and hard to read cluster. This not only is confusing, but also give the impression that ALL of the alt-modes have to be unlocked. So, instead of having a list, I am going to add an easier to read section in each article.

- ''Update'': The sections have been finished and added. Sorry about before, I guess I just forgot to leave a message on the Discussion page about it. -- [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Prowl Redirect ==

The wiki's lack of warning strikes again. I have made certain to preview every edit I do, looking for a warning that I'm editing an outdated version of the page. While I was making that edit, you redirected the page. When I previewed my edit, it gave no warning that anything had changed, so I submitted it—which undid the move. At least the new redirect included my clean-up...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Robot Heroes ==

There are clear packaging pics of all that are on TFW2005 (I think, I went from Seibertron.com). Not sure where from, but it isn't like they've been secretly leaked to me.

[[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

: So... stolen. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's some links, right here

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=161976

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=8828&dispsize=800&start=0

http://seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12219

Anyone and their mother can see them. I see nowhere that they've been stolen and find it hard to believe Hasbro wouldn't have seen the pics after a day or two, considering Stealth Bumblebee. We've seen Cheetor, Rattrap, and Megatron before anyway. I'm leaving them there. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:We've seen them because they were ''stooooooooooooooolen''. They have ''noooot'' been officially announced by Hasbro or any official sales solicitations anywhere. Therefore, they are not to be put on this wiki until they are. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

We saw the prototypes (Not Blackarachnia) months ago. They've been on this Wiki with the exception of Blackarachnia for months. If I absolutly cannot add her and the confirmed lineups, I will change it back to the way it was before. The protos have been and still are available for the rest and have been for months. I think, THINK they were from Botcon, but I'm unsure. Comic-Con? [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, several were shown at Botcon 2007; maybe at Comic-Con too, I dunno. But for the ones that weren't, our own policy (specifically [[Help:Coming_soon]] ) means we need to leave them alone until there's something official. Without a hard and fast policy, there's no fair way to declare what should and shouldn't be here when gray areas arise. Besides which, we're not trying to be a news site. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that a good compromise? There is no info there that seems unacceptable to me. I apologize for getting off on the wrong foot. The article on Smash Bros. Brawl on Wikipedia has made me defensive. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 03:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==You don't get to annoy and rule-break your way back to good graces.==
Unless you're me, that is. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

==Weird bootleg minicons==
Are you still looking for the various KO minicons? A store by me has the purple/yellow Star Saber team, the constructicon-esque Military team, and the weird combining remolds, if you're still interested. Also, they have inexplicably huge amounts of WCW Nitro cologne. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Anchors==
Have you noticed that each anchor line inserts a new blank line into the page formatting? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:I see four choices: 1) accept the extra blank formatting line, 2) put the anchors at the end of the last line of the preceding section, 3) dirty up the code by replacing the blank formatting lines with the anchor template lines, or 4) put the anchor code at the end of the "title" section it anchors to, which may result in the page link manifesting with its section title scrolled off the screen. For OP G1, for the purposes of getting my Stormbringer trivia edit in, I'm going with 2, for now. I'll fix it when we've got a decision. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 03:15, 14 February 2008 (EST)

== Telemocha episodes ==

Let's see,
:TM-01 Primal: 02
:TM-02 Megatron: 04
:TM-03 Cheetor: 05
:TM-04 Waspinator: 06
:TM-05 Dinobot: 09
:TM-06 Blackarachnia: 10
:TM-07 Corada: 11
:TM-08 Arcadis: 20
:TM-09 Rhinox: 03
:TM-10 Wolfang: 08
:TM-11 Tigatron: 07
:TM-12 Gimlet: 12
:TM-13 Motorarm: 21
:TM-SP Primal: 01 & 15
:TM-SP Megatron: 13 & 14

So far, that's episodes 1-15, 20, and 21 --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

== New Mini-Con ==

Just a heads-up: If you haven't heard yet, there's another Mini-Con/Micron store exclusive due from Japan. Starting March 13, the first 10 customers to buy J-release TF Classics toys at any Toys "R" Us get a free Skyglide, a red recolor of Steelwind from the Clear Skies Team, probably meant to homage Powerglide. (This is from ''Figure King'' #121, according to Autobase Aichi. I don't think there are any images in the article.) I'm not sure where this info should be put into the wiki. There doesn't seem to be enough info to set up an article of its own yet. A "coming soon" notice on the main Mini-Con page until we know more, maybe?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Mech Version ==

I tried a Google search and didn't find anything right off. I DID find Yahoo Japan auction listings which listed it in kana as メッキ, which is definitely "chromed" and not "mech". Point me to the site, please?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
: That's the kana on TakaraTomy's page for the set http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/other/index.html ... but isn't that kana "Meh-(shorten next)-ki"? "Mech"? Wouldn't "chromed" be an entirely different set of kana? The ones used for "Chromebite"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::No. Check it out by copy-pasting the katakana into the translation box at Jim Breen's. While クローム isn't unknown in Japan (Heck, it's what they call Stylor), the general term for chrome-plated parts is メッキ. (Technically, it's 鍍金 or 滅金, but perhaps because those can also be pronounced "tokin" and mean "pretense", it's usually rendered in katakana.) I first figured that by seeing it used in instructions for snap-together model kits which included such pieces. "Mech" is usually rendered メカ, as in short for "mechanism".--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Heroes of Cybertron Cat? ==

Hey, are you going to populate a Heroes of Cybertron category? Dirge currently is all alone there, and I was about to delete the cat from his page to help clean up the Wanted Cats page. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
: Why the fuck would you delete it? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: First of all, I'm here to discuss the matter ''before'' I do anything rash, so I don't think I deserve the swearing. Chill.
:: Second of all, I considered deleting the link to the cat because the cat doesn't exist, and there's no demonstrable desire for it to exist, as shown by the fact that there's only one article in it.
:: But, third, if you were intending to fill out the category, so that it reaches the minimum number of entries we require to justify a category, I fully support you in that. I'm just asking if that's your plan, or if you expect other people to take care of it. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==this may sound awkward...==
r u a guy or a girl? if it says anywhere on ur talk page, i just kinda skimmed thru it.i always assumed u were a girl, but decided not 2 call u 1. if u know what happened last time [[User:Inferno'sQueen|someone's]] gender was mistaken. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 20:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
: Yes, he is a girl. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::You can tell by Sipher's pink armor plating.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:If he's a girl, then he's in serious need of [[Greg Sepelak|electrolysis]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== "lay odds?" ==

what odds? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:y'know, ya still haven't answered the question..[[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::And yet by pestering him, ''you'' have.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:::huh? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 19:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Soundwave edits by 143.239.7.2 ==

Okay, the whole Gurren Lagan/gattai history business is drawing parallels that are either speculative or outside the intended scope of the wiki. (A note might be made somewhere of Soundwave's combining method, though. Is it unique within TF lore?) However, why excise the directly TF-related material—i.e., noting the homages to the original Soundwave?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's the section Sipher removed due to (as I believe he put it) being "blatantly obvious."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

==Scourge Edit==

That's the second time that my trivia post for RiD Scourge was deleted. It's a valid point, and I dunno why you guys are refusing to allow it, especially since there seems to be no qualms on here with making tranny jokes about Override or Airazor. Kind of hypocritical, ne?
[[User:64.13.101.210|64.13.101.210]] 23:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
: No, not at all. Because Airazor and Override did legitimately, officially change genders in translation. Scourge... drumroll... ''has always been male, and has never ever ever been officially hinted as having the remotest female whatever ever''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, I'm spamming ==

Canvassing a few talkpages here so we can get folks to weigh in and finalize the potential Wiki image policy. Your input would be appreciated at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Images]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== blocking help ==

Lets just say a acount has been blocked, and I cant even edit my talk page. Could you
tell me whats up. [[User:F1 fan|F1 fan]] 04:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== Please Provide More Details ==
...as to why you removed the army building reference in the Starscream clone article. A simple rephrasing could have eliminated any problems you have with the word "Clearly". I dont mean to seem bitchy/pushy, but I really think that it was a good contribution to the article. [[Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)]] --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

==Ironhide==
I read your thing about Botcon, very interesting. But the chances that Ironhide's southern accent doesn't originate from Cullen's are very low indeed. If you listen to the two voices, Ironhide's voice in Animated has a slightly different style. The most likely explanation is that the idea of the accent was taken from Cullen's 'Hide, while the sound of the accent was modelled on the other guys. And both should be noted in page. Something like "The idea of a southern accent is most likely based on G1 Ironhide, however the particular variant/vernacular(whatever) is based on such and such". [[User:GWolfv2]] 19.20 May 31st
: No. I'm goddamn sick of over-reaching desperate "THIS MUST BE GEEWUN REFERENCE". Especially when we're talking about an analogue to a G1 character... at BEST, it's "no shit, Sherlock" (you mean a guy based on G1 Ironhide has slightly-G1-Ironhide-like traits?! NOOO!), at worst, it's a desperate grab for a non-reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh...well, I said my piece...nice to know you're keeping your head and not getting worked up over nothing btw [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.01 May 31st
:::Nice to know you're supporting the spread of idiotic misinformation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

As the only staff member online at the moment as far as I know, can you make a decision about the latest Animated episode's title? We have two separate groups of editors working on two different articles for this episode. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:31, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Original photo watermark ==

Hey, I'm working on finishing cleaning up the Magmatron photos I took before the crash. Do you still have that TFWiki watermark template handy?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:07, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

for fixing up the Stormbringer description I did. I think my original edit summary was lost, but I had basically only done that because I thought it was important in explaining why Optimus got over feeling unworthy - and you summed it up a lot better than I ever could.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:38, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

==Yo==
[[Image_talk:Alt-toy_AiKuruma.jpg]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:48, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Vandalism warning ==

Guess who's back. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:42, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Awesome job, man. ==
{{gigantionaward}}
Really love the style you're doing the Micromaster Combiner toy photos in. Nicely done.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:22, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
: I concur. I think you deserve one of those prizes for services to the wiki. Excellent, excellent work. Keep it up! 08:10, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, I proposed the TFWiki Funbux as our official monetary reward. I too concur on a great you did. I especially like how you indication which half is which character in the combined vehicle pics. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:35, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I actually made what amounts to a TFWiki "barnstar" once. And yep, Siph deserves it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 09:13, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Showdown translations==
Hey, Sipher. Just to save you time and a headache, I already translated the Showdown names, they're at [[Japanese ID number list#Beast Wars]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:01, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Linkage ==

I just wanted to thank you for going in and adding the megadata (like pub data) to the Linkage articles... I was trying to figure out when it was published yesterday, and I had to go back to some of your original ''usenet'' posts to confirm it spanned 2003 and 2004. (I suspected it did... but you know... that's not the same as being sure.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

BTW, I'm curious as to why you have them as <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 3]]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 6]]</nowiki>, and such, because that makes me think we'll be directing to the DVDs themselves... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:33, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
:Because we ''will'' be, like I said when I reverted them? The individual DVDs totally should have their own articles. I think it's stupid to NOT have articles on the individual home releases of whatever. If we have articles on trade paperbacks, we should have articles on the home videos. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::Ah. My bad. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 05:33, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

[http://members.fortunecity.com/msipher/transform/linkage/linkage.html Your site], linked from the [[Linkage (comic)|Linkage articles]], seems to be down/gone. Is there an alternate? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 14:48, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

== Hey, ==

Is "Image:PsychoOrb-toy.jpg" one of yours? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:46, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:Yes. I actually have a shadowless, watermarked version of that... and several others... that I just haven't gotten around to uploading. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:35, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== IDW Dates ==

To answer your question... while the solicitations of course give an idea of what will come out at ''some'' point during a month, usually we only get one month's worth of specific dates around the end of the previous month/beginning of that month via Tipton's blog and IDW's newsletter.

...so I guess the short answer is "no, we don't have specific dates for December or January stuff yet". Although we should get November's dates soon. I guess we could put in question-marked placeholders based on the solicitations... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:27, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Returns airdates ==

[http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html The site] Jon T referred me to had all the listings and from what I could tell going by the months I know the show premiered in Japan, plus the consistency between the airdates, it all looks legit to me. So I scrolled through each month, matched up the Japanese titles with the ones on this site to make sure the Japanese and Western episode orders were the same, and here are all the original Japanese airdates for the series:

*The Reformatting 2004/11/ 6
*Master of the House 2004/11/ 7
*Fires of the Past 2004/11/13
*Mercenary Pursuits 2004/11/14
*Forbidden Fruit 2004/11/20
*The Weak Component 2004/11/21
*Revelations Part I: Discovery 2004/11/27
*Revelations Part II: Descent 2004/11/28
*Revelations Part III: Apocalypse 2004/12/ 4
*Survivor 2004/12/ 5
*The Key 2004/12/11
*The Catalyst 2004/12/12
*End of the Line 2004/12/18
*Fallout 2004/12/19
*Savage Noble 2004/12/25
*Prometheus Unbound 2004/12/26
*In Darkest Knight 2005/ 1/ 1
*A Wolf in the Fold 2005/ 1/ 2
*Home Soil 2005/ 1/ 8
*Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike 2005/ 1/ 9
*Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search 2005/ 1/15
*Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege 2005/ 1/16
*Spark of Darkness 2005/ 1/22
*Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral 2005/ 1/23
*Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall 2005/ 1/29
*Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future 2005/ 1/30

Have at them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:19, 19 December 2009 (EST)

==Kiss Purge==
Good show on the Kiss Player == HORRIBLE purge. Some people (read: most people) don't seem to understand restraint.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:54, 2 March 2010 (EST)

==FemTF article==
Ehrm, sorry if I am being pushy, but some time ago you said you wanted to take a look at what you could improve on [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|my draft XXL]] for a new femTF page. I'll have finished up education duties in about a week and would like to continue and finally be done with the damn thing, so if it's possible you can take a look at it by then/around that time, I'd be really grateful. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:41, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

== Pst ==

There's a link to "Mass delete" at the bottom of the list of [[Special:Specialpages]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Edits ==

So overall, I saw several minor adjustments to the pages I made today, and I've noted them for any pages I make in the future. I didn't see any major revisions, though. Are the pages I did mostly okay, as long as I keep an eye out for the things you had to come behind me and fix? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 23:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

== Crankstart and suffering... ==

http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Crankstart&diff=prev&oldid=461445

*retires to a safe distance* :p - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 22:51, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
: [[Transformers_Wiki:Caption#Captions_and_jokes_we.27re_sick_of]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:04, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

== Silas and meltdown ==

The MECH agent piloting the helicopter outright said that the D.N.G.S. didn't meltdown after Prime's trailer was destroyed by the Vehicons. So Silas does know about the meltdown thing. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:22, 5 March 2011 (EST)
:There's a world of difference between knowing a radioactive thing will meltdown and knowing that it would be a ''five-state'' meltdown. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:28, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Congrats ==

You nabbed my obvious sock.

And ''only'' my obvious sock. The not-so-obvious one is still out there, waiting to be found.....

-Blackout-

==Divebomb==
Naw, that's Space Case again. You can ''juuust'' see the blue snakeskin grid deco alongside his cockpit. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:13, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

==Khon==
In "Dungeons & Dinobots", would Khon be a new location or a typo of Kaon? (P.S., please say the former) [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 10:05, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== ... ==

What constant steam of negativity? <strike>And a death ray is really negative!!</strike> [[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 12:05, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

== Spam ==

Does [[User talk:Dynamic|THIS]] count as Spam?--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 13:18, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

==Albitron==
You wouldn't happen to know what magazines MiB advertised Albitron and Swoop in, would you? Tracking those down to get scans of them seems like something to do. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 19:15, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

== Power Core Combiners ==

Just a shout out, I love your PCC fig pics, they look awesome! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 11:05, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:On [[Heavytread (PCC)|Heavytread]], the prehistoric comment was a joke in reference to his instrux pairing him up with the dinobots limbs.[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 00:51, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

== Quizno's Talking Oven... ==

I totally agree with your opinion on that commercial. [[Special:Contributions/50.36.116.49|50.36.116.49]] 14:51, 12 December 2011 (EST)

== Woah woah woah, why revert my "Minicon" edits? ==

In the Aligned universe the spelling for the word is "Minicon" rather than "Mini-Con" why would you undo all that since we have EVIDENCE presented in the novels of the spelling? It's the same thing as "Dino" vs "Mirage" for the specific forms of fiction. It's changed as it is presented, and in this case "Minicon" is the correct one. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 20:44, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:Because we've had misparsed words showing in official TF side-items for many years (BlackArachnia, anyone?), and frankly, I don't trust Alex Irvine to get anything right. The odds of the spelling showing up on Hasbro packaging as "Minicon" are pretty low, and until we see Hasbro PROEPER use it consistently, then we're going with what Hasbro PROPER has used. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:51, 2 February 2012 (EST)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for banning that asshat. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 11:26, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

== Darkness Rising, Part 5 ==
Why did the edit about Miko and Soundwave taking pictures of each other get reverted? I'm not raging, just asking so I should know what to post and what not to post under References. [[Special:Contributions/78.128.95.132|78.128.95.132]] 18:27, 8 August 2012 (EDT)
: Because that was not a reference. That was a coincidence. Not all similarities are references. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 8 August 2012 (EDT)

==Arc caption==
Was the joke unclear? Because in either case, I don't particularly favor the femmephobic joke you put there. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:"Femmephobic"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:30, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::There's a thing called Google. But it comes down to lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women, because it's seen as inferior. This wiki is way past just pointing out stereotypes - it's actively participating in femmephobia with its propensity for remarks about the color pink (among mány other things). In particular, *I* hate pink jokes around TFP Arcee, and therefore also Arc, because Arcee's usual color was not altered for her, but for Jack, so he would not be lowered for associating with feminine attributes.
::My joke tried to play into the fact that she is a knife and that Transformer 'blood' (energon, right?) is pink. It wasn't perhaps the best formulated or particularly funny, but at least it wasn't problematic either.
::So, I ask you to at least leave the caption blank if my joke wasn't good. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:45, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::What a steaming pile you've plopped down there, and how ''dare'' you. You'll pardon me if I find that giving Arcee a Micron partner that's pink, ''literally'' has stiletto heels, a heart for a face, and hands sculpted in that splayed-out palms-to-the-floor tee-hee pose just a ''wee'' bit out of place. Combine that with her on-show personality, which is more or less a "diva" and a love target for various characters, and it's a parade of sad cliches, shoving her into the trope of "GIRLY GIRL PINK GIRL" being her only character trait. Which I find dreadful, not because "pink + girl = auto-bad forever", but because hey, sometimes, a female character ''doesn't need to be pink and girly''. There are lots of ways to be a girl. Defaulting the '''''only''''' female character in the lot to nothing more than pink-and-pretty is bluntly insulting. Arcee is feminine without being a pile of "gender-normative" cliches. To see Arc backslide so far is disappointing at best.
:::It has nothing, ''nothing'' to do with "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior", as you so idiotically put it, and EVERYTHING to do with it seemingly being THE ONLY ROLE OPTION FOR FEMALES AS DECIDED UPON BY PREDOMINANTLY MALE-RUN ENTERPRISES AND AIMED AT A PREDOMINANTLY YOUNG MALE AUDIENCE. ''THAT'', if you ask me, is the REAL "lack of appreciation".
:::And I'd really, ''really'' love a source on your claim as to how pink would "lower" Jack and THAT being the reason for Arcee's coloration.
:::(And by the way, energon is ''light blue'' in Prime. Which would have been a far better choice of colors for Arc. still wouldn't have solved the sculpting issues though.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:26, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::How ''dare'' I? Oh, excuse me, male person. I, as female person, should not have assumed to know anything about the female identity and its stereotypes and how they should be talked about without creating further harm. I mean, it's not like I could have first-hand experience. And the fact I left this wiki over a year ago partially because of the heterosexual (cis)male entitlement here is also something I must've dreamed up. Apologies. How dare I?
::::I give you [http://parrotbeak.tumblr.com/post/30725648699/crowd-about-arcee-how-come-in-the-old-one-she this] as my evidence for the Jack = blue claim.
::::That energon is blue in TFP is a good argument against my joke, though. Still not one in favor of yours. If all those other things bother you about Arc as well, why not comment on any of thém? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:40, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". You came out with the presumption of the ''worst'' possible reason, using charged language, so yes. Offense is going to be taken. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Geewunling, you need to understand the difference between trends in gender perception across society as a whole and the choices of individuals. Yes, society is ruled by males and these males have decided for everyone what "feminine" means. But this is charting a trend. It's something you can only measure as a pile of thousands or millions of choices. You cannot draw these same insidious conclusions from one person, and you can't accuse one person of committing the crime that an entire society perpetuates. For example, one movie that doesn't pass the Bechdel Test isn't sexist, but most movies not passing the Bechdel Test is indicative of a sexist society. You are making that mistake here. You may know more about being female than a male because you are a female, but you don't know more about Sipher's motivations in creating a caption than he does, for that same reason. Instead, you've decided to mark him and his actions unfavorably by assuming his motivations are synonymous with All Males Everywhere. And because of this, you have accused him of hating girls -- not because he's demonstrated that he hates girls, but because he's said something about the color pink. Pink is a complicated color because it's wrapped up in gender roles, and attitudes towards that color can be numerous and contradictory, and it is simply impossible to concentrate those feelings down into an accurate accusation against a lone human being. A feminist could hate or love pink depending on their experiences with the color, and both reactions could be right. It would be wiser to deal with Sipher as an individual with his own thoughts and motivations -- albeit within a sexist society. He is not that society. Remember that when dealing with other people. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:23, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::To M Sipher (and ItsWalky for the defense): I called the joke femmephobic, not you. And even if I would've called you femmephobic, I did not say anything about intent. It has little to do with 'reasons', and all the more with a system of conventions that are tough to make visible.
::::::Do I mind a pink joke or think less of the person who made it? No. Do I feel upset about having seen (and changed) some thirty+ jokes around here about male characters/men being not worth basic consideration for dressing in pink, about female characters/women ''not'' having pink in their look (which adds to the stereotype where it is averted), and female characters/women in pink being inherently inferior to ones who aren't? A little. And I can give you the full list if you want me to. It just is not about you, it's about everything.
::::::All I ask for is a different joke, one that doesn't serve to rebuild a collection I've tried to kill off. If only because repetitive jokes are a reading enjoyment-killer.
::::::P.S., ItsWalky, don't assume I don't know feminism. It's condescending and kind of a weird assumption given the conversation so far. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:39, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::At no point did I assume you didn't know feminism. In fact, I wrote my entire spiel with the exact opposite assumption. The term "cisgendered" isn't exactly thrown around by the unequipped. If I wrote at-length or in great detail, it's because this topic is complicated and this is not a private conversation between you and I, plus I thought explaining my thoughts plainly and clearly was better than being curt and snarky. Once again you assume the worst in others without first attempting to understand them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::(As an aside, I always assumed Arc was pink merely because those are Arcee's secondary colors.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:36, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Alright, critique withdrawn. I was thrown off by the fairly elaborate explanation of the Bechdel Test and color pink, and the reassertion I'd been targeting M Sipher rather than, you know, the joke.
::::::::Whereas my request for another joke is standing, I also withdraw concerns for an immediate change. There's a reason I can name all instances of a pink joke on this wiki, and once it's finished I could as well try to kick off a community discussion with it that better communicates the problem. Which is not, and never was, one person/man's doing. Nor did I say that. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:27, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:50, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

== Kickshift ==
Alright, not that I'm trying to accuse you of something and piss you off more than you already are, but do you know anything about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User:AutobotKickshift?oldid=391195 this]? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 20:30, 14 October 2012 (EDT)
:1) Who said I'm pissed off? It takes a LOT more than a run-of-the-mill twit to piss me off. 2) That's Wikia. I don't GO there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:43, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

== Shield Master O.P. A ==

I was lurking at the Allspark, and noticed you made a thread about O.P. A. For your information, the O.P. A you have may be an error. I own the Shield Master set, and my O.P. A has a light-teal/light-blue crystal instead of the medium-blue crystal color of the Cosmotector trio. Hope this helps. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 04:43, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

== Deadlock (episode) ==

Why did you undo my edit on [[Deadlock|this]] page? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 00:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)
: You were adding unnecessary commentary, versus information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
:: Can't you just edit the page, not undoing the edit? Can't we have a little fun here? The page don't need fun, so why you wrote the caption of the pictures with it? My edit is incomplete, why don't you edit and complete it? My grammar is poor, why don't you fix it? My edit is uninformative, why don't you fix the uninformative part? My edit is unnecessary, why don't you ¡UNDO IT AND TELL ME if my edit isn't necessary? My edit is full of mistakes and should be fixed, why don't you ¡FIX IT AND TELL ME so I can make myself better? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 02:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)

== White Ironfist vs. Tan Ironfist ==

I admit I based my note off the screencaps on his page, which seemed to indicate that Fisitron's two biggest portrayals (otherwise known as his only portrayals) replaced the tan of his toy with white. Given that, why remove my note when it seemed to be accurate? Or am I just colour-blind? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:06, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:Because he's tan. I've got LSOTW right in front of me and he is consistently tan. It's a lighter, more desaturated tan, but EVERYONE'S colors are lighter and desaturated. That's IDW's look. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:13, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::Ah, okay. Guess that's my bad for trying to extrapolate a pattern without having the comics on hand. So much for contributing outside of reverting anonymous morons and the occasional caption...he is still white in WoH, though, right? Can I take consolation in being half-right? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:49, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:::He is very white in WoH. But, yeah, tan in LSOTW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:54, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::::Righto. Complaint withdrawn. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 04:36, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

== Divide and Conquer ==

I believe it to be a deliberate reference, but if this has been discussed and decided against, that's fair enough; It being deleted with reason is fine by me, but deletion of something I deemed valid without reasons given understandably led me to add it again. Also, i'd rather a more diplomatic approach than just 'do not post this again'-like I said, I was unaware that I was in error. --[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 23:47, 4th September 2013
:The reason was given TWICE, and you added it again afterward anyway. And no, this wiki is not in the habit of listing every vague coincidence as intentional reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:57, 4 September 2013 (EDT)

I've already said that I understand that decision. I'm a newcomer here, so i'll take this opportunity to apologise for irritating behaviour but also plead ignorance in that I didn't know better. Despite accepting that I may have accidentally caused irritation, I have to admit that your reaction has been a bit arsey and very newcomer-unfriendly.--[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 01:21, 4th September 2013

== Soundwave ==

I find your decision to remove my comment on Soundwave being present during PR due to being 'unnecessary' odd, to be honest. How many entries under notes sections are 'necessary'? I found this to be of interest, and interest is subjective. What I said was not incorrect, nor did it present a problem. I think you've made an unfair decision here. Can you really delete other people's contributions based on what you think is interesting?
:Soundwave is completely absent from the movie, thoroughly irrelevant to the plot in every respect. It'd be like commenting on the lack of humans, Airachnid, Insecticons or Decepticon miners. We don't remark on the absences of cast members unless said absence poses continuity issues. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:58, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

Your response was pretty definitive, and I'm not trying to be obnoxious by continuing this, but my point was that he probably was present; it was a 'Soundwave is actually there the whole time' comment, not vice versa. However,another contributor has since pointed out that, as we can't be sure of Soundwave's actions between the movie and the episode, his whereabouts can't be proved and so my comment was speculative, which to my mind is reason enough to not include it, but I found your reasoning less understandable.
I appreciate that it was an inconsequential bit of trivia, but then many of the notes on this wiki seem equally, if not less trivial, so i'm wondering what constitutes acceptable notes? [[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]]

== Re:Random Kreon in Beast Hunters set? ==

I'm not sure. The scan of the instructions the guy posted showed it had a different color scheme from the first Kreon version of Knock Out. But if it does turn out to be random, feel free to remove it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 20:35, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

== Hero Mashers ==

I think you have to clarify more than "Fuck this noise" when you're merging all the Hero Mashers back despite them having their own universal stream cluster. Canon's not really on your side. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:08, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
:I left the (HM) pages intact so "canon" can be appeased. There's canon, and then there's stupidly obfuscating information by not having blatantly-based-on-specific-iterations-of-characters merch on the relevant pages because of some micro-reference in something the overwhelming majority of readership will basically never see. We do readers a disservice with the latter. I don't like just assuming someone's going to dig through a disambig link chain to maybe find stuff like this, and since we repeat full toy sections for repurposings, I don't see why repeating Hero Mashers or the like would be a problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:15, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
::That's fair enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:16, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

==Intruders==

Are the Intruders who built Medusa the same as the Intruders from G.I. Joe? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:09, 18 July 2015 (EDT)

== Spambots ==

There's another one: [[User:Sdsfs]] -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:24, 3 February 2016 (EST)

==Misdirection==

I tried, i changed the file type, and i did a multiple image upload, so i couldnt give them all a correct discription. Will they be readded, or shall i do them individually? -
Junkheap117
Also, you need to calm your shit. It's just a fucking unofficial website, and you go on like it means the world to you. GET A FUCKING LIFE.
:Guess who's getting a time-out? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:34, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

==Angry Birds Transformers Characters and Accessories==
Thanks for taking the time to fill in information for the Angry Birds Transformers characters.
So far we're still missing comphrehensive profiles for Chuck, Hal, and the Minion Pig seekers. Could you also 'spice up' Red's Ultimate, Nemesis, and Epic Optimus Prime's profiles? (I wrote those profiles, but they're just information basic.)

The current Challenge event is for getting both Bumblebees' accessories, so for this and future events, could you make sure to get the gem costs of the accessories ''before'' getting them with tokens? Or else would take extra replaying from scratch to figure out the what the original gem costs were.

Also, some of the accessories were token-only exclusives, so you may have to change the cost columns for the accessories tables a bit.
--[[User:Woo224|Woo224]] ([[User talk:Woo224|talk]]) 23:14, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

==Uploads==

Hi, im a new user and when i upload an image it says i dont have permission to creat a new page. I have multiple screenshots from the new RID episode but i cant uplaod them, Any ideas? Thanks
--[[User:Hardshell101|Hardshell101]]

== Apology ==

Sorry about disrupting your work on the ''Combiner Wars'' toyline page. I didn't think you had progressed down that far yet. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:25, 2 October 2016 (EDT)

== Hiding pages from Recent Changes? ==

I had no idea my personal page edits were cluttering up the Recent Changes page; my bad. Is it possible for me to just hide everything under my username page from Recent Changes? I just find it much easier to work on individual subsections... but given how many there are it's going to keep cluttering RC until I'm done (and I keep wanting to make tweaks here and there). Thanks. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:52, 27 February 2017 (EST)
:Just noticed the "Minor edit" checkbox; I'll use that from now on for my stuff. Sorry again for my posts. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:54, 27 February 2017 (EST)

== Model Numbers? ==

Hey, I noticed that you've deleted model numbers off of most of the toyline pages, which is very useful information. I registered to place them back in, but after a couple edits I notice that somebody undid them already. Apologies if I went about this wrong, but how can we get the model #'s reinstated onto the collection pages? =)

== Formatting - table vs list ==

Also, when you deleted the model numbers for many pages, you converted the formatting from simple straight-down lists to table formats. As a result, everything looks more cluttered and less organized now. With model numbers in place, even though the page may be slightly longer, at least everything looks much more organized in numerical order. Would it be possible to consider putting everything back into straight-down list views? (but keep the improvements, such as the cool new mini-icons, etc.)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:48, 3 March 2017 (EST)
Ok, I suppose that's just cosmetic - but what about model #'s? That's actually functional information, which for some reason was stripped from many of the toyline pages? The only way to view that information now is to go back and look at older page revisions...

Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)

2017-03-03T20:32:32Z

Fronkinsteen: fix links for Astrotrain, Inferno, Warpath, Strafe

{{nav-henkei}}

'''''Henkei! Henkei! Transformers''''' (変形!ヘンケイ!トランスフォーマー, "'''Transform! Transform! Transformers'''") is the name of the Japanese version of the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' toyline (and part of the 2008 ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' toyline). Like the ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars Returns]]'' toyline before it, this line features several [[redeco]]es of existing figures to make them look more like the original [[character model]]s than their American counterparts. For example, Megatron is silver and black instead of gray, purple and [[neon]] green, Starscream and Grimlock are colored closer to their show models, Convoy/Optimus Prime and Bumble/Bumblebee have less white paint, and Astrotrain has a more [[Show-accuracy|show-inspired]] deco of dark gray and purple instead of white and violet. In addition to these tweaks, every toy has various areas cast in [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metalized plastic]], very likely as an homage to the common use of chromed weapons and parts in the early waves of [[The Transformers (toyline)|the G1 toyline]] it emulates. In one further difference from the Hasbro version of this line, the ''Henkei! Henkei!'' toys came with a [[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (pack-in manga)|mini-manga]]. The line ran from 2008–2009 and was succeeded by the ''[[Transformers United]]'' line.

==Toys==
===''Henkei! Henkei!''===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[March 13|3-13]]-[[2008]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Bumble]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Grimlock]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Ligier]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[April 24|4-24]]-2008)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Astrotrain]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[June 26|6-26]]-2008)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Hot Rodimus]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=4|[[File:Henkeitoy megatron.jpg|thumb|200px|Megatron]][[File:Henkeitoy-Ratchet.jpg|200px|thumb|Ratchet]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[July 17|7-17]]-2008)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Ramjet]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Skyfire]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[September 19|9-19]]-2008)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Prowl (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Prowl]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Sunstreaker]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[October 23|10-23]]-2008)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Lambor]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Octane#Henkei! Henkei!|Destron Octone]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Cybertron Streak]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[USA Edition]]s''' ([[October 2|10-2]]-2008)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Onslaught (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Onslaught]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Powerglide (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Powerglide]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Silverbolt (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Silverbolt]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[November 20|11-20]]-2008)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Galvatron (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Galvatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Ironhide]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 8''' ([[December 27|12-27]]-2008)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|[[Cheetor (BW)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Cybertron Cheetus]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Hound (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Hound]] (w/ [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Jaguar]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 9''' ([[January 22|1-22]]-[[2009]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Cyclonus]] (w/ [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)#Henkei! Henkei!|Nightstick]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 10''' ([[February 26|2-26]]-2009)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Ratchet (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Ratchet]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Inferno (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Cybertron Inferno]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 11''' ([[March 12|3-12]]-2009)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-p1|[[Dinobot (BW)#Henkei! Henkei!|Dinobot]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Shot (Henkei!)#Henkei! Henkei!|Cybertron Hot Rod]] (w/ [[Jolt (Armada)#Henkei! Henkei!|Jolt]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 12''' ([[March 26|3-26]]-2009)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|Minibot Attack Team ([[Beachcomber (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Beachcomber]], [[Brawn (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Gong]], [[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Cliff]])}}
{{Bp-a1|Minibot Spy Team ([[Cosmos (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Adams]], [[Warpath (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Warpath]], [[Wheelie (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Wheelie]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 13''' ([[April 25|4-25]]-2009)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Red Alert (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Alert]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Smokescreen]]}}
|}

<big>'''Exclusives'''</big>
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Cybertron Con 2013]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#CC2013|Jetfire]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Tokyo Toy Show]] 2008'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#HenkeiClear|Convoy Clear Version]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Skyglide]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[TV Magazine]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#HenkeiGold|Convoy (gold)]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Henkei-toy SlingMicron.jpg|thumb|200px|Visa-exclusive Micron Sling]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Visa'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Slingshot (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Micron Sling]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Vortex (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Micron Vorter]]}}
|}

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===''Gentei! Gentei!''===
:'''''Gentei! Gentei! Transformers''''' (限定!ゲンテイ!トランスフォーマー, "'''Exclusive! Exclusive! Transformers'''") started as a ''Henkei!'' sub-line of [[exclusive]] limited-release toys, which ultimately lasted longer than the line that spawned it. And yes, it's a pun on "''Henkei! Henkei!''".

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Chara Hobby 2008'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Wildrider (G1)#Gentei! Gentei!|Stuntron Wildrider]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Ganbo'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Thrust (G1)/toys#Gentei! Gentei!|Thrust]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Thundercracker]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[TakaraTomy Mall|Toy Hobby Market]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Dirge (G1)/toys#Gentei! Gentei!|Dirge]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Gentei! Gentei!|Dark Skyfire]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Skywarp]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Transformers Basecamp]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Strafe (G1)#Gentei! Gentei! 2|Strafe]] (w/ [[Rocketbot#Toys|Rocketbot]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:HenkeiElectroDisruptorLigier.jpg|thumb|200px|Electro Disruptor Ligier]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Generations 2009#Volume 1|Transformers Generations 2009 Volume 1]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#ElectroDisruptor|Electro Disruptor Ligier]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Generations 2009#Volume 2|Transformers Generations 2009 Volume 2]]'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#HenkeiGhost|Ghost Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Canceled'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#GenteiBlack|Convoy black version]]}}
|}

[[Category:Henkei! Henkei!| Toyline]]
[[Category:Japanese toylines]]

Transformers (2010 toyline)

2017-03-03T20:20:58Z

Fronkinsteen: fix link for The Fallen

{{disambig3|Transformers}}
'''''Transformers''''' is a toyline that launched in [[2010]] with the intention of re-envisioning the [[Movie (toyline)|live action movie toyline]] into a broader celebration of the history of the brand. The line features many characters who had not appeared in the movies, but at the same time [[Hasbro]] was able to plausibly present it as a movie tie-in to retailers who (naturally) were very eager to stock merchandise related to the highly popular and successful films.

It also included the [[Hunt for the Decepticons]] promotion in 2010 and the [[Reveal the Shield]] [[rubsign]]-based [[subline imprint]] in late 2010 to early 2011. Given the line's lack of a subtitle, fans have commonly referred to it simply by the names of these promotions, for lack of a clearer alternative. Internally, Hasbro apparently referred to the line as "'''Autobot Alliance'''" (the same name it was known by in Japan), as this was the name that appeared on the toys' identifying placecards at various 2010 conventions and internal store computer listings for the products.

Confusingly, the line had two different styles of packaging: the regular yellow packaging and the less common red packaging (mostly used for [[exclusive]]s) that is very similar in design to the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toyline, but lacked the ''Generations'' subtitle.

==Hasbro ''Transformers'' toyline==
===Action figures "main line"===
====Legends Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cyberfire Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Fireburst Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Rampage (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Rampage]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ravage (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Ravage]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hound (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Tracker Hound]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Long Haul (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Long Haul]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Override (TF 2010)|Override]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sandstorm (TF 2010)|Sandstorm]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Duststorm (TF 2010)|Duststorm]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Skids (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Tuner Skids]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Gold Bumblebee]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Megatron]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Starscream]] (G1)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF2010-toy Legends Rampage.jpg|thumb|250px|Legends-class Rampage.]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Prowl (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Prowl]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Trailbreaker (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Trailcutter]] (G1)}}
|}

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====Scout Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Backfire (TF 2010)#Toys|Backfire]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Brimstone (TF 2010)#Toys|Brimstone]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Crankstart#Toys|Crankstart]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hubcap (TF 2010)#Toys|Hubcap]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Breacher#Toys|Breacher]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Insecticon (Movie)#Toys|Insecticon]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Oil Pan]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Firetrap]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sunspot]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Chopsaw]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Windcharger (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Windcharger]] (G1)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF 2010 Hubcap toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Scout-class Hubcap, who is ''awesome.'']]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Cancelled'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bodyblock (TF 2010)|Bodyblock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Downshift (TF 2010)|Downshift]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Rumble (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Demolition Rumble]] (G1)}}
|}

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====Deluxe Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Battle Blade Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Ironhide]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Jetblade]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ravage (ROTF)#SeaAttack|Sea Attack Ravage]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Elita-One (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Elita-1]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Hailstorm (TF 2010)#Toys|Hailstorm]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sideswipe (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Sidearm Sideswipe]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Skids (ROTF)#TunerDeluxe|Tuner Skids]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Jolt (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Electrostatic Jolt]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Terradive (TF 2010)|Terradive]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Tomahawk (TF 2010)|Tomahawk]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Axor#Toys|Axor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Rescue Ratchet]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[Image:TF2010-toy_Hailstorm.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Deluxe Hailstorm]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fallback (TF 2010)#Toys|Fallback]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jazz (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Special Ops Jazz]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mindset (TF 2010)#Toys|Mindset]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Tracks (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Turbo Tracks]] (G1)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Bumblebee]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Perceptor]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Wreck-Gar]] (G1)}}
|}

{{-}}
====Comic Book 2 Packs====
:'''Wave 1'''<ul class="iconlist">
:{{Bp-a1|Battle in Space ([[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cyclonus]] with [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)#Transformers (2010)|Nightstick]], [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Rodimus]])}}</ul>

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====Voyager Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Payload (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Payload]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Night Ops Ratchet]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sea Spray (TF 2010)#Toys|Sea Spray]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Banzaitron|Decepticon Banzaitron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#BattleBlades|Battle Blades Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[The Fallen/toys#TF2010Voyager|The Fallen]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Highbrow (TF 2010)|Highbrow]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grapple (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Solar Storm Grappel]] {{sic}} (G1)}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Lugnut (TF 2010)#Toys|Lugnut]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Strafe (TF 2010)|Strafe]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF2010toy-SeaSpray.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Sea Spray]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Deep Dive]]}}
|}

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====Leader Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#HFTDleader|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Leader Class toys|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Battle Ops Bumblebee]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:ROTF-toy leader Starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Leader-class Starscream]]
|}

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====Human Alliance====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Human Alliance 2|Bumblebee]] w/ [[Sam Witwicky#Human Alliance 2|Sam Witwicky]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jazz (Movie)#Human Alliance|Autobot Jazz]] w/ [[William Lennox#Human Alliance|Captain Lennox]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Sideswipe (Movie)#Human Alliance 2|Shadow Blade Sideswipe]] w/ [[Mikaela Banes#Human Alliance|Mikaela Banes]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}

{{-}}
====Activators====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Activators|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Activators|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Activators|Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Activators|Ironhide]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Activators|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#ActivatorsRallyRumble|Rally Rumble Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#RallyRumble|Rally Rumble Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}

{{-}}
====Powerbots====
:'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
:{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Stealth Bumblebee]]}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]]}}</ul>

{{-}}
===Roleplay===
:'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
:{{Bp-a1|[[Cyber Sword|Optimus Prime Cyber Sword]]}}</ul>

{{-}}
===Store exclusives===
;US chain retailers

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Amazon.com'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Unicron/toys#Transformers (2010)|Unicron]] (w/ [[Kranix (G1)#Toys|Kranix]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[BigBadToyStore]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Piranacon (G1)|Decepticon Piranacon]] ([[Nautilator#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Nautilator]], [[Overbite (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Overbite]], [[Seawing (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Seawing]], [[Skalor#Transformers (2010)|Skalor]], [[Snaptrap (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Snap Trap]], [[Tentakil (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Tentakil]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''CostCo'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BattleOpsCostco|Battle Ops Bumblebee]] (w/ Legends Bumblebee & [[Mudflap (ROTF)#Toys|Mudflap]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Kmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|The Victory of The Fallen ([[The Fallen|The Fallen]], [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#VictoryofTheFallen|Starscream]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=3|[[File:TF2010toy-VictoryofTheFallen.jpg|thumb|250px|"The Victory of the Fallen"]][[File:TargetHuntersRumble.jpg|thumb|250px|"Hunters Rumble" Barricade and Sideswipe.]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Target]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Crash Landing Attack ([[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#CrashLandingAttack|Bumblebee]], [[Thrust (ROTF)|Thrust]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|High-Speed Spy Battle ([[Skids (ROTF)#SpyBattle|Autobot Skids]] & [[Mudflap (ROTF)#SpyBattle|Mudflap]], [[Sideways (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Sideways]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Hunters Rumble ([[Barricade (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Barricade]], [[Sideswipe (Movie)#HuntersRumble|Sideswipe]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Rotorwash Rumble ([[Arcee (Movie)#RotorwashRumble|Arcee]], [[Tailwhip]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Sideways Sneak Attack (''cancelled'') ([[Arcee (Movie)#SidewaysSneakAttack|Arcee]], [[Chromia (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Chromia]], [[Elita-One (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Elita-One]], [[Sideways (ROTF)#SneakAttack|Sideways]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Devastator (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Constructicon Devastator]] ([[Hightower (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Hightower]], [[Long Haul (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Long Haul]], [[Mixmaster (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Mixmaster]], [[Overload (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Overload]], [[Rampage (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Rampage]], [[Scavenger (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Scavenger]], [[Scrapper (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Scrapper]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Rage over Cybertron ([[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cybertronian Bumblebee]], [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cybertronian Megatron]], [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cybertronian Optimus Prime]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Rampage Among The Ruins ([[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#RampageAmongTheRuins|Bumblebee]], [[Rampage (ROTF)#RampageAmongTheRuins|Rampage]], [[Ravage (ROTF)#RampageAmongTheRuins|Ravage]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#MPHasbro|Masterpiece Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10hasbro|Masterpiece Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Masterpiece Rodimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Masterpiece Thundercracker]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Walmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Bombing Run Battle ([[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BombingRunBattle|Bumblebee]], [[Grindor (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Grindor]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Desert Ruins Brawl ([[Brawl (Movie)#DesertRuinsBrawl|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Jolt (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Jolt]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|The Fury Of Bonecrusher ([[Bonecrusher (Movie)#FuryofBonecrusher|Bonecrusher]], [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#FuryofBonecrusher|Ironhide]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Starscream's Assault ([[Mudflap (ROTF)#StarscreamsAssault|Mudflap]], [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Starscream]])}}
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Cancelled, unknown outlets'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Megatron Rising ([[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 3|Megatron]], [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]], [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]], [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Blue Maximus]] vs. [[Crosshairs (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Crosshairs]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Drydock (TF 2010)|Drydock]] vs. [[Undertow (PCC)|Undertow]]}}
|}

{{-}}
;US "[[Market six]]" releases

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Mini-Cons'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Airlift (TF 2010)|Airlift]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Brake-Neck (TF 2010)|Brake-Neck]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Drivetrain (TF 2010)|Drivetrain]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Iron Claw]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Pan-Handler]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Swashplate]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Legends Class'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Scout Class'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Backstop (TF 2010)|Backstop]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Undermine (TF 2010)|Undermine]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Wreckloose (TF 2010)|Wreckloose]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Multi-packs'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Desert Decimation]] ([[Bonecrusher (Movie)#DesertDecimation|Bonecrusher]], [[Brawl (Movie)#DesertDecimation|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#DesertDecimation|Ironhide]], [[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#DesertDecimation|Ratchet]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:TF2010toy-PanHandler.jpg|thumb|200px|Mini-Con Pan-Handler. "Git a job, ya bum!"]]
|}

{{-}}
;European market exclusives

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Sainsbury's'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|The Ravage Infiltration ([[Ravage (ROTF)#RavageInfiltration|Ravage]], [[Flak (TF 2010)#Toys|Flak]], [[Rollbar (RPM)#Toys|Rollbar]], 3 human soldier mini-figures)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Misc retailers'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Minicon{{sic}} 8 Pack ([[Airlift (TF 2010)|Airlift]], [[Barrel Roll]], [[Buckshot]], [[Diveplane]], [[Heavy-Liftor]], [[Iron Claw]], [[Ironside]], [[Reachout (TF 2010)|Reachout]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}

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===Competition items===
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#SpecialEditionBattleBlades|Special Edition Battle Blades Bumblebee]] - a competition prize item at the Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong (ACGHK) material-entertainment fair 2010.

==TakaraTomy ''Autobot Alliance'' toyline==
===Action figures "main line"===
* AA-01 Battle Hooks Optimus Prime (has hooks instead of sword blades)
* AA-02 Battle Blade Bumblebee
* AA-03 Ironhide
* AA-04 Insecticon (different colors)
* AA-05 Sea Spray (different colors)
* AA-06 Sidearm Sideswipe (no red)
* AA-07 Breacher
* AA-08 Elita-1 (different colors)
* AA-09 Hubcap
* AA-10 Brimstone
* AA-11 Highbrow
* AA-12 Tomahawk
* AA-13 Hailstorm
* AA-14 Terradive

====Legends Class====
'''EZ Collection Vol. 5'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Delivery Mudflap]]
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Delivery Skids]]
*[[Brawl (Movie)|Desert Brawl]]
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Payload (Movie)|Payload]]
*[[Skipjack (ROTF)|Skipjack]]
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Stalker Scorponok]]
}}

==Notes==
[[File:TF2010 deluxe TurboTracks.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|I'm too sexy for ''Generations'', too sexy for ''Generations'', too sexy for that location...]]
* The plastic-coated wire twist-ties, which were normally used to secure a toy in its packaging in past toylines, have been replaced with paper-based tie-downs. The paper tie-downs are also used in the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toyline.
* The 2010 ''Transformers'' toyline contains several toys with a design aesthetic similar to the ''Generations'' line. This led to confusion when fan expectations were contradicted by official Hasbro announcements.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''''Transformers: Autobot Alliance''''' (トランスフォーマーオートボットアライアンス ''Toransufōmā Ōtobotto Araiansu'')
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==External links==
*[http://toyfair10.asmzine.com/gallery/hasbro/hasbro-transformers-press-kit/index.html ASMZine.com's Toy Fair 2010 Hasbro Transformers press kit gallery]
*[http://toyfair10.asmzine.com/gallery/hasbro/hasbro-transformers/index.html ASMZine.com's Toy Fair 2010 Transformers booth gallery]

[[Category:Transformers (2010)| ]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Transformers (2010 toyline)

2017-03-03T20:14:46Z

Fronkinsteen: fix link for Perceptor

{{disambig3|Transformers}}
'''''Transformers''''' is a toyline that launched in [[2010]] with the intention of re-envisioning the [[Movie (toyline)|live action movie toyline]] into a broader celebration of the history of the brand. The line features many characters who had not appeared in the movies, but at the same time [[Hasbro]] was able to plausibly present it as a movie tie-in to retailers who (naturally) were very eager to stock merchandise related to the highly popular and successful films.

It also included the [[Hunt for the Decepticons]] promotion in 2010 and the [[Reveal the Shield]] [[rubsign]]-based [[subline imprint]] in late 2010 to early 2011. Given the line's lack of a subtitle, fans have commonly referred to it simply by the names of these promotions, for lack of a clearer alternative. Internally, Hasbro apparently referred to the line as "'''Autobot Alliance'''" (the same name it was known by in Japan), as this was the name that appeared on the toys' identifying placecards at various 2010 conventions and internal store computer listings for the products.

Confusingly, the line had two different styles of packaging: the regular yellow packaging and the less common red packaging (mostly used for [[exclusive]]s) that is very similar in design to the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toyline, but lacked the ''Generations'' subtitle.

==Hasbro ''Transformers'' toyline==
===Action figures "main line"===
====Legends Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cyberfire Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Fireburst Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Rampage (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Rampage]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ravage (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Ravage]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hound (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Tracker Hound]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Long Haul (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Long Haul]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Override (TF 2010)|Override]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sandstorm (TF 2010)|Sandstorm]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Duststorm (TF 2010)|Duststorm]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Skids (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Tuner Skids]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Gold Bumblebee]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Megatron]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Starscream]] (G1)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF2010-toy Legends Rampage.jpg|thumb|250px|Legends-class Rampage.]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Prowl (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Prowl]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Trailbreaker (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Trailcutter]] (G1)}}
|}

{{-}}
====Scout Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Backfire (TF 2010)#Toys|Backfire]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Brimstone (TF 2010)#Toys|Brimstone]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Crankstart#Toys|Crankstart]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hubcap (TF 2010)#Toys|Hubcap]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Breacher#Toys|Breacher]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Insecticon (Movie)#Toys|Insecticon]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Oil Pan]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Firetrap]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sunspot]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Chopsaw]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Windcharger (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Windcharger]] (G1)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF 2010 Hubcap toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Scout-class Hubcap, who is ''awesome.'']]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Cancelled'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bodyblock (TF 2010)|Bodyblock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Downshift (TF 2010)|Downshift]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Rumble (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Demolition Rumble]] (G1)}}
|}

{{-}}
====Deluxe Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Battle Blade Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Ironhide]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Jetblade]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ravage (ROTF)#SeaAttack|Sea Attack Ravage]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Elita-One (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Elita-1]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Hailstorm (TF 2010)#Toys|Hailstorm]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sideswipe (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Sidearm Sideswipe]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Skids (ROTF)#TunerDeluxe|Tuner Skids]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Jolt (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Electrostatic Jolt]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Terradive (TF 2010)|Terradive]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Tomahawk (TF 2010)|Tomahawk]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Axor#Toys|Axor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Rescue Ratchet]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[Image:TF2010-toy_Hailstorm.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Deluxe Hailstorm]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fallback (TF 2010)#Toys|Fallback]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jazz (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Special Ops Jazz]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mindset (TF 2010)#Toys|Mindset]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Tracks (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Turbo Tracks]] (G1)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Bumblebee]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Perceptor]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Wreck-Gar]] (G1)}}
|}

{{-}}
====Comic Book 2 Packs====
:'''Wave 1'''<ul class="iconlist">
:{{Bp-a1|Battle in Space ([[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cyclonus]] with [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)#Transformers (2010)|Nightstick]], [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Rodimus]])}}</ul>

{{-}}
====Voyager Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Payload (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Payload]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Night Ops Ratchet]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sea Spray (TF 2010)#Toys|Sea Spray]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Banzaitron|Decepticon Banzaitron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#BattleBlades|Battle Blades Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[The Fallen#TF2010Voyager|The Fallen]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Highbrow (TF 2010)|Highbrow]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grapple (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Solar Storm Grappel]] {{sic}} (G1)}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Lugnut (TF 2010)#Toys|Lugnut]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Strafe (TF 2010)|Strafe]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF2010toy-SeaSpray.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Sea Spray]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Deep Dive]]}}
|}

{{-}}

====Leader Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#HFTDleader|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Leader Class toys|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Battle Ops Bumblebee]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:ROTF-toy leader Starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Leader-class Starscream]]
|}

{{-}}
====Human Alliance====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Human Alliance 2|Bumblebee]] w/ [[Sam Witwicky#Human Alliance 2|Sam Witwicky]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jazz (Movie)#Human Alliance|Autobot Jazz]] w/ [[William Lennox#Human Alliance|Captain Lennox]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Sideswipe (Movie)#Human Alliance 2|Shadow Blade Sideswipe]] w/ [[Mikaela Banes#Human Alliance|Mikaela Banes]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}

{{-}}
====Activators====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Activators|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Activators|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Activators|Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Activators|Ironhide]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Activators|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#ActivatorsRallyRumble|Rally Rumble Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#RallyRumble|Rally Rumble Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}

{{-}}
====Powerbots====
:'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
:{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Stealth Bumblebee]]}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]]}}</ul>

{{-}}
===Roleplay===
:'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
:{{Bp-a1|[[Cyber Sword|Optimus Prime Cyber Sword]]}}</ul>

{{-}}
===Store exclusives===
;US chain retailers

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Amazon.com'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Unicron/toys#Transformers (2010)|Unicron]] (w/ [[Kranix (G1)#Toys|Kranix]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[BigBadToyStore]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Piranacon (G1)|Decepticon Piranacon]] ([[Nautilator#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Nautilator]], [[Overbite (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Overbite]], [[Seawing (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Seawing]], [[Skalor#Transformers (2010)|Skalor]], [[Snaptrap (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Snap Trap]], [[Tentakil (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Tentakil]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''CostCo'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BattleOpsCostco|Battle Ops Bumblebee]] (w/ Legends Bumblebee & [[Mudflap (ROTF)#Toys|Mudflap]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Kmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|The Victory of The Fallen ([[The Fallen|The Fallen]], [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#VictoryofTheFallen|Starscream]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=3|[[File:TF2010toy-VictoryofTheFallen.jpg|thumb|250px|"The Victory of the Fallen"]][[File:TargetHuntersRumble.jpg|thumb|250px|"Hunters Rumble" Barricade and Sideswipe.]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Target]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Crash Landing Attack ([[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#CrashLandingAttack|Bumblebee]], [[Thrust (ROTF)|Thrust]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|High-Speed Spy Battle ([[Skids (ROTF)#SpyBattle|Autobot Skids]] & [[Mudflap (ROTF)#SpyBattle|Mudflap]], [[Sideways (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Sideways]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Hunters Rumble ([[Barricade (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Barricade]], [[Sideswipe (Movie)#HuntersRumble|Sideswipe]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Rotorwash Rumble ([[Arcee (Movie)#RotorwashRumble|Arcee]], [[Tailwhip]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Sideways Sneak Attack (''cancelled'') ([[Arcee (Movie)#SidewaysSneakAttack|Arcee]], [[Chromia (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Chromia]], [[Elita-One (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Elita-One]], [[Sideways (ROTF)#SneakAttack|Sideways]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Devastator (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Constructicon Devastator]] ([[Hightower (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Hightower]], [[Long Haul (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Long Haul]], [[Mixmaster (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Mixmaster]], [[Overload (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Overload]], [[Rampage (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Rampage]], [[Scavenger (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Scavenger]], [[Scrapper (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Scrapper]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Rage over Cybertron ([[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cybertronian Bumblebee]], [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cybertronian Megatron]], [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cybertronian Optimus Prime]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Rampage Among The Ruins ([[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#RampageAmongTheRuins|Bumblebee]], [[Rampage (ROTF)#RampageAmongTheRuins|Rampage]], [[Ravage (ROTF)#RampageAmongTheRuins|Ravage]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#MPHasbro|Masterpiece Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10hasbro|Masterpiece Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Masterpiece Rodimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Masterpiece Thundercracker]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Walmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Bombing Run Battle ([[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BombingRunBattle|Bumblebee]], [[Grindor (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Grindor]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Desert Ruins Brawl ([[Brawl (Movie)#DesertRuinsBrawl|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Jolt (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Jolt]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|The Fury Of Bonecrusher ([[Bonecrusher (Movie)#FuryofBonecrusher|Bonecrusher]], [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#FuryofBonecrusher|Ironhide]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Starscream's Assault ([[Mudflap (ROTF)#StarscreamsAssault|Mudflap]], [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Starscream]])}}
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Cancelled, unknown outlets'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Megatron Rising ([[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 3|Megatron]], [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]], [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]], [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Blue Maximus]] vs. [[Crosshairs (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Crosshairs]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Drydock (TF 2010)|Drydock]] vs. [[Undertow (PCC)|Undertow]]}}
|}

{{-}}
;US "[[Market six]]" releases

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Mini-Cons'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Airlift (TF 2010)|Airlift]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Brake-Neck (TF 2010)|Brake-Neck]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Drivetrain (TF 2010)|Drivetrain]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Iron Claw]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Pan-Handler]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Swashplate]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Legends Class'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Scout Class'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Backstop (TF 2010)|Backstop]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Undermine (TF 2010)|Undermine]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Wreckloose (TF 2010)|Wreckloose]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Multi-packs'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Desert Decimation]] ([[Bonecrusher (Movie)#DesertDecimation|Bonecrusher]], [[Brawl (Movie)#DesertDecimation|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#DesertDecimation|Ironhide]], [[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#DesertDecimation|Ratchet]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:TF2010toy-PanHandler.jpg|thumb|200px|Mini-Con Pan-Handler. "Git a job, ya bum!"]]
|}

{{-}}
;European market exclusives

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Sainsbury's'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|The Ravage Infiltration ([[Ravage (ROTF)#RavageInfiltration|Ravage]], [[Flak (TF 2010)#Toys|Flak]], [[Rollbar (RPM)#Toys|Rollbar]], 3 human soldier mini-figures)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Misc retailers'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Minicon{{sic}} 8 Pack ([[Airlift (TF 2010)|Airlift]], [[Barrel Roll]], [[Buckshot]], [[Diveplane]], [[Heavy-Liftor]], [[Iron Claw]], [[Ironside]], [[Reachout (TF 2010)|Reachout]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}

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===Competition items===
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#SpecialEditionBattleBlades|Special Edition Battle Blades Bumblebee]] - a competition prize item at the Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong (ACGHK) material-entertainment fair 2010.

==TakaraTomy ''Autobot Alliance'' toyline==
===Action figures "main line"===
* AA-01 Battle Hooks Optimus Prime (has hooks instead of sword blades)
* AA-02 Battle Blade Bumblebee
* AA-03 Ironhide
* AA-04 Insecticon (different colors)
* AA-05 Sea Spray (different colors)
* AA-06 Sidearm Sideswipe (no red)
* AA-07 Breacher
* AA-08 Elita-1 (different colors)
* AA-09 Hubcap
* AA-10 Brimstone
* AA-11 Highbrow
* AA-12 Tomahawk
* AA-13 Hailstorm
* AA-14 Terradive

====Legends Class====
'''EZ Collection Vol. 5'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Delivery Mudflap]]
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Delivery Skids]]
*[[Brawl (Movie)|Desert Brawl]]
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Payload (Movie)|Payload]]
*[[Skipjack (ROTF)|Skipjack]]
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Stalker Scorponok]]
}}

==Notes==
[[File:TF2010 deluxe TurboTracks.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|I'm too sexy for ''Generations'', too sexy for ''Generations'', too sexy for that location...]]
* The plastic-coated wire twist-ties, which were normally used to secure a toy in its packaging in past toylines, have been replaced with paper-based tie-downs. The paper tie-downs are also used in the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toyline.
* The 2010 ''Transformers'' toyline contains several toys with a design aesthetic similar to the ''Generations'' line. This led to confusion when fan expectations were contradicted by official Hasbro announcements.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''''Transformers: Autobot Alliance''''' (トランスフォーマーオートボットアライアンス ''Toransufōmā Ōtobotto Araiansu'')
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==External links==
*[http://toyfair10.asmzine.com/gallery/hasbro/hasbro-transformers-press-kit/index.html ASMZine.com's Toy Fair 2010 Hasbro Transformers press kit gallery]
*[http://toyfair10.asmzine.com/gallery/hasbro/hasbro-transformers/index.html ASMZine.com's Toy Fair 2010 Transformers booth gallery]

[[Category:Transformers (2010)| ]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Transformers (2010 toyline)

2017-03-03T20:12:00Z

Fronkinsteen: fix link for Tracks

{{disambig3|Transformers}}
'''''Transformers''''' is a toyline that launched in [[2010]] with the intention of re-envisioning the [[Movie (toyline)|live action movie toyline]] into a broader celebration of the history of the brand. The line features many characters who had not appeared in the movies, but at the same time [[Hasbro]] was able to plausibly present it as a movie tie-in to retailers who (naturally) were very eager to stock merchandise related to the highly popular and successful films.

It also included the [[Hunt for the Decepticons]] promotion in 2010 and the [[Reveal the Shield]] [[rubsign]]-based [[subline imprint]] in late 2010 to early 2011. Given the line's lack of a subtitle, fans have commonly referred to it simply by the names of these promotions, for lack of a clearer alternative. Internally, Hasbro apparently referred to the line as "'''Autobot Alliance'''" (the same name it was known by in Japan), as this was the name that appeared on the toys' identifying placecards at various 2010 conventions and internal store computer listings for the products.

Confusingly, the line had two different styles of packaging: the regular yellow packaging and the less common red packaging (mostly used for [[exclusive]]s) that is very similar in design to the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toyline, but lacked the ''Generations'' subtitle.

==Hasbro ''Transformers'' toyline==
===Action figures "main line"===
====Legends Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cyberfire Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Fireburst Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Rampage (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Rampage]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ravage (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Ravage]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hound (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Tracker Hound]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Long Haul (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Long Haul]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Override (TF 2010)|Override]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sandstorm (TF 2010)|Sandstorm]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Duststorm (TF 2010)|Duststorm]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Skids (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Tuner Skids]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Gold Bumblebee]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Megatron]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Starscream]] (G1)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF2010-toy Legends Rampage.jpg|thumb|250px|Legends-class Rampage.]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Prowl (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Prowl]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Trailbreaker (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Trailcutter]] (G1)}}
|}

{{-}}
====Scout Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Backfire (TF 2010)#Toys|Backfire]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Brimstone (TF 2010)#Toys|Brimstone]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Crankstart#Toys|Crankstart]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hubcap (TF 2010)#Toys|Hubcap]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Breacher#Toys|Breacher]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Insecticon (Movie)#Toys|Insecticon]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Oil Pan]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Firetrap]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Sunspot]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Chopsaw]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Windcharger (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Windcharger]] (G1)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF 2010 Hubcap toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Scout-class Hubcap, who is ''awesome.'']]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Cancelled'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bodyblock (TF 2010)|Bodyblock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Downshift (TF 2010)|Downshift]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Rumble (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Demolition Rumble]] (G1)}}
|}

{{-}}
====Deluxe Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Battle Blade Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Ironhide]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Jetblade]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ravage (ROTF)#SeaAttack|Sea Attack Ravage]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Elita-One (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Elita-1]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Hailstorm (TF 2010)#Toys|Hailstorm]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sideswipe (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Sidearm Sideswipe]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Skids (ROTF)#TunerDeluxe|Tuner Skids]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Jolt (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Electrostatic Jolt]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Terradive (TF 2010)|Terradive]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Tomahawk (TF 2010)|Tomahawk]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Axor#Toys|Axor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Rescue Ratchet]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[Image:TF2010-toy_Hailstorm.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Deluxe Hailstorm]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fallback (TF 2010)#Toys|Fallback]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jazz (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Special Ops Jazz]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mindset (TF 2010)#Toys|Mindset]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Tracks (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Turbo Tracks]] (G1)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Bumblebee]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Perceptor (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Perceptor]] (G1)}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Wreck-Gar]] (G1)}}
|}

{{-}}
====Comic Book 2 Packs====
:'''Wave 1'''<ul class="iconlist">
:{{Bp-a1|Battle in Space ([[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cyclonus]] with [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)#Transformers (2010)|Nightstick]], [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Rodimus]])}}</ul>

{{-}}
====Voyager Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Payload (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Payload]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Night Ops Ratchet]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sea Spray (TF 2010)#Toys|Sea Spray]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Banzaitron|Decepticon Banzaitron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#BattleBlades|Battle Blades Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[The Fallen#TF2010Voyager|The Fallen]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Highbrow (TF 2010)|Highbrow]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grapple (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Solar Storm Grappel]] {{sic}} (G1)}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Lugnut (TF 2010)#Toys|Lugnut]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Strafe (TF 2010)|Strafe]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF2010toy-SeaSpray.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Sea Spray]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Deep Dive]]}}
|}

{{-}}

====Leader Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#HFTDleader|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Leader Class toys|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Battle Ops Bumblebee]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:ROTF-toy leader Starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Leader-class Starscream]]
|}

{{-}}
====Human Alliance====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Human Alliance 2|Bumblebee]] w/ [[Sam Witwicky#Human Alliance 2|Sam Witwicky]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jazz (Movie)#Human Alliance|Autobot Jazz]] w/ [[William Lennox#Human Alliance|Captain Lennox]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Sideswipe (Movie)#Human Alliance 2|Shadow Blade Sideswipe]] w/ [[Mikaela Banes#Human Alliance|Mikaela Banes]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}

{{-}}
====Activators====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Activators|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Activators|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Activators|Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Activators|Ironhide]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Activators|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#ActivatorsRallyRumble|Rally Rumble Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#RallyRumble|Rally Rumble Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}

{{-}}
====Powerbots====
:'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
:{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Stealth Bumblebee]]}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]]}}</ul>

{{-}}
===Roleplay===
:'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
:{{Bp-a1|[[Cyber Sword|Optimus Prime Cyber Sword]]}}</ul>

{{-}}
===Store exclusives===
;US chain retailers

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Amazon.com'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Unicron/toys#Transformers (2010)|Unicron]] (w/ [[Kranix (G1)#Toys|Kranix]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[BigBadToyStore]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Piranacon (G1)|Decepticon Piranacon]] ([[Nautilator#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Nautilator]], [[Overbite (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Overbite]], [[Seawing (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Seawing]], [[Skalor#Transformers (2010)|Skalor]], [[Snaptrap (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Snap Trap]], [[Tentakil (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Decepticon Tentakil]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''CostCo'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BattleOpsCostco|Battle Ops Bumblebee]] (w/ Legends Bumblebee & [[Mudflap (ROTF)#Toys|Mudflap]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Kmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|The Victory of The Fallen ([[The Fallen|The Fallen]], [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#VictoryofTheFallen|Starscream]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=3|[[File:TF2010toy-VictoryofTheFallen.jpg|thumb|250px|"The Victory of the Fallen"]][[File:TargetHuntersRumble.jpg|thumb|250px|"Hunters Rumble" Barricade and Sideswipe.]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Target]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Crash Landing Attack ([[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#CrashLandingAttack|Bumblebee]], [[Thrust (ROTF)|Thrust]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|High-Speed Spy Battle ([[Skids (ROTF)#SpyBattle|Autobot Skids]] & [[Mudflap (ROTF)#SpyBattle|Mudflap]], [[Sideways (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Sideways]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Hunters Rumble ([[Barricade (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Barricade]], [[Sideswipe (Movie)#HuntersRumble|Sideswipe]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Rotorwash Rumble ([[Arcee (Movie)#RotorwashRumble|Arcee]], [[Tailwhip]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Sideways Sneak Attack (''cancelled'') ([[Arcee (Movie)#SidewaysSneakAttack|Arcee]], [[Chromia (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Chromia]], [[Elita-One (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Elita-One]], [[Sideways (ROTF)#SneakAttack|Sideways]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Devastator (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Constructicon Devastator]] ([[Hightower (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Hightower]], [[Long Haul (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Long Haul]], [[Mixmaster (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Mixmaster]], [[Overload (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Overload]], [[Rampage (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Rampage]], [[Scavenger (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Scavenger]], [[Scrapper (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Scrapper]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Rage over Cybertron ([[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cybertronian Bumblebee]], [[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cybertronian Megatron]], [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Cybertronian Optimus Prime]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Rampage Among The Ruins ([[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#RampageAmongTheRuins|Bumblebee]], [[Rampage (ROTF)#RampageAmongTheRuins|Rampage]], [[Ravage (ROTF)#RampageAmongTheRuins|Ravage]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#MPHasbro|Masterpiece Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10hasbro|Masterpiece Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Masterpiece Rodimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Masterpiece Thundercracker]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Walmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Bombing Run Battle ([[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BombingRunBattle|Bumblebee]], [[Grindor (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Grindor]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Desert Ruins Brawl ([[Brawl (Movie)#DesertRuinsBrawl|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Jolt (ROTF)#Transformers (2010)|Jolt]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|The Fury Of Bonecrusher ([[Bonecrusher (Movie)#FuryofBonecrusher|Bonecrusher]], [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#FuryofBonecrusher|Ironhide]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|Starscream's Assault ([[Mudflap (ROTF)#StarscreamsAssault|Mudflap]], [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Starscream]])}}
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Cancelled, unknown outlets'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Megatron Rising ([[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 3|Megatron]], [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]], [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]], [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Blue Maximus]] vs. [[Crosshairs (Movie)#Transformers (2010)|Crosshairs]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Drydock (TF 2010)|Drydock]] vs. [[Undertow (PCC)|Undertow]]}}
|}

{{-}}
;US "[[Market six]]" releases

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Mini-Cons'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Airlift (TF 2010)|Airlift]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Brake-Neck (TF 2010)|Brake-Neck]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Drivetrain (TF 2010)|Drivetrain]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Iron Claw]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Pan-Handler]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Swashplate]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Legends Class'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Scout Class'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Backstop (TF 2010)|Backstop]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Undermine (TF 2010)|Undermine]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Wreckloose (TF 2010)|Wreckloose]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Multi-packs'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Desert Decimation]] ([[Bonecrusher (Movie)#DesertDecimation|Bonecrusher]], [[Brawl (Movie)#DesertDecimation|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#DesertDecimation|Ironhide]], [[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#DesertDecimation|Ratchet]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:TF2010toy-PanHandler.jpg|thumb|200px|Mini-Con Pan-Handler. "Git a job, ya bum!"]]
|}

{{-}}
;European market exclusives

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Sainsbury's'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|The Ravage Infiltration ([[Ravage (ROTF)#RavageInfiltration|Ravage]], [[Flak (TF 2010)#Toys|Flak]], [[Rollbar (RPM)#Toys|Rollbar]], 3 human soldier mini-figures)}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Misc retailers'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Minicon{{sic}} 8 Pack ([[Airlift (TF 2010)|Airlift]], [[Barrel Roll]], [[Buckshot]], [[Diveplane]], [[Heavy-Liftor]], [[Iron Claw]], [[Ironside]], [[Reachout (TF 2010)|Reachout]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}

{{-}}

===Competition items===
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#SpecialEditionBattleBlades|Special Edition Battle Blades Bumblebee]] - a competition prize item at the Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong (ACGHK) material-entertainment fair 2010.

==TakaraTomy ''Autobot Alliance'' toyline==
===Action figures "main line"===
* AA-01 Battle Hooks Optimus Prime (has hooks instead of sword blades)
* AA-02 Battle Blade Bumblebee
* AA-03 Ironhide
* AA-04 Insecticon (different colors)
* AA-05 Sea Spray (different colors)
* AA-06 Sidearm Sideswipe (no red)
* AA-07 Breacher
* AA-08 Elita-1 (different colors)
* AA-09 Hubcap
* AA-10 Brimstone
* AA-11 Highbrow
* AA-12 Tomahawk
* AA-13 Hailstorm
* AA-14 Terradive

====Legends Class====
'''EZ Collection Vol. 5'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Delivery Mudflap]]
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Delivery Skids]]
*[[Brawl (Movie)|Desert Brawl]]
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Payload (Movie)|Payload]]
*[[Skipjack (ROTF)|Skipjack]]
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Stalker Scorponok]]
}}

==Notes==
[[File:TF2010 deluxe TurboTracks.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|I'm too sexy for ''Generations'', too sexy for ''Generations'', too sexy for that location...]]
* The plastic-coated wire twist-ties, which were normally used to secure a toy in its packaging in past toylines, have been replaced with paper-based tie-downs. The paper tie-downs are also used in the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toyline.
* The 2010 ''Transformers'' toyline contains several toys with a design aesthetic similar to the ''Generations'' line. This led to confusion when fan expectations were contradicted by official Hasbro announcements.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''''Transformers: Autobot Alliance''''' (トランスフォーマーオートボットアライアンス ''Toransufōmā Ōtobotto Araiansu'')
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==External links==
*[http://toyfair10.asmzine.com/gallery/hasbro/hasbro-transformers-press-kit/index.html ASMZine.com's Toy Fair 2010 Hasbro Transformers press kit gallery]
*[http://toyfair10.asmzine.com/gallery/hasbro/hasbro-transformers/index.html ASMZine.com's Toy Fair 2010 Transformers booth gallery]

[[Category:Transformers (2010)| ]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)

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'''''Transformers: Universe''''' is a [[Hasbro]] toy line launched in mid-[[2008]], the second line to carry the name (the [[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|first one]] ran from [[2003]] to very early 2008). It ran as a mass retail line until early [[2009]], but continued throughout the year with various [[exclusive]] releases. It contained a thorough mix of new molds for "classic" characters from various previous lines, as well as redecos of existing toys from older lines (such as ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' and the 2006 ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' line). It also had a large number of store [[exclusive]] toys, mostly redecos of toys from older lines.

Most of the new-mold toys were meant to feature "realistic" vehicle modes (a niche left otherwise unfilled after the end of the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 movie toyline]]), but it wasn't long until toys of the super-stylized ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' characters and beast-form ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' characters were added to the mix. (Though the beast modes ''were'' designed to be more like the real animals... which didn't turn out so well for [[Cheetor (BW)/toys#Universe (2008)|one of them]].)

In 2009, the packaging gained a "25 Years" corner logo to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the [[Transformers brand|brand]], and the toyline's offerings expanded to include updates of key characters from every franchise.

Many of the toys were [[redeco]]ed for release in the Japanese [[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|''Henkei! Henkei!'' toyline]].

==Toys==
===General retail===
====Legends Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Onslaught (G1)#Universe (2008)|Onslaught]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Red Alert (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Red Alert]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hound (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Autobot Hound]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jazz (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Autobot Jazz]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Megatron (G2)]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Animated)#Universe (2008)|Bumblebee]] (''Animated'')}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys#Universe (2008)|Optimus Prime]] (''Animated'')}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Prowl (Animated)#Universe (2008)|Prowl]] (''Animated'')}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Beachcomber (G1)#Universe (2008)|Beachcomber]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Brawn (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Brawn]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (Animated)#Universe (2008)|Starscream]] (''Animated'')}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Universelegendsredalert.jpg|thumb|250px|Red Alert, a Legends Class toy.]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Cosmos (G1)#Universe (2008)|Autobot Cosmos]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Rodimus]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Warpath (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Warpath]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wheelie (G1)#Universe (2008)|Autobot Wheelie]]}}
|}

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====Deluxe Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Prowl (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Prowl]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Sunstreaker]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Octane#Universe (2008)|Tankor]] (aka "Octane")}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Acid Storm#Universe (2008)|Acid Storm]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Galvatron (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Galvatron]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Ironhide]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Sideswipe]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Silverstreak]] (aka "Bluestreak")}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Generation 1 Series|Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hound (G1)/toys#Univ2008Dx|Autobot Hound]] (w/ [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Ravage]])}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Cheetor (BW)/toys#Universe (2008)|Cheetor]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Cyclonus]] (w/ [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)#Universe (2008)|Nightstick]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Universe AcidStorm toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Deluxe-class Acid Storm]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-p1|[[Dinobot (BW)#Universe (2008)|Dinobot]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Smokescreen]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Universe (2008)|Hot Shot]] (w/ [[Jolt (Armada)#Universe (2008)|Jolt]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Ratchet (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Autobot Ratchet]]}}
|}

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====Voyager Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Blaster (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Autobot Blaster]] (w/ [[Blockrock#Universe (2008)|Blockrock]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Heavy Load (Universe)#Universe (2008)|Decepticon Heavy Load]] (w/ [[Drill Bit (Universe)|Drill Bit]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Blades (G1)#Universe (2008)|Autobot Blades]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Dropshot (G1)#Universe (2008)|Decepticon Dropshot]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Tread Bolt#Universe (2008)|Tread Bolt]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Inferno (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Inferno]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Vector Prime#Universe (2008)|Vector Prime]] (w/ [[Safeguard (Cybertron)#Universe (2008)|Safeguard]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Universe2008-HeavyLoadDrillBit-toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Voyager-class Heavy Load]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Overload (Armada)#Universe (2008)|Overload]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Universe (2008)|Leo Prime]]}}
|}

{{-}}
====Ultra Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Onslaught (G1)#Uni08Ultra|Onslaught]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Powerglide (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Powerglide]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Silverbolt (G1)#Universe (2008)|Silverbolt]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Storm Cloud (G1)#Universe (2008)|Stormcloud]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-p1|[[Bruticus (RID)#Universe (2008)|Predacon Bruticus]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:UniverseOnslaughtToys-HasbroTakara.JPG|thumb|250px|Ultra-class Onslaught]]
|}

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====Robot Heroes====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1p1|[[Cheetor (BW)/toys#Robot Heroes|Cheetor]] & [[Blackarachnia (BW)#Robot Heroes|Blackarachnia]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Hound (G1)#Robot Heroes|Hound]] & [[Blitzwing (G1)#Robot Heroes|Blitzwing]]}}
{{Bp-m1p1|[[Rattrap (BW)#Robot Heroes|Rattrap]] & [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Robot Heroes|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Robot Heroes|Sunstreaker]] & [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#Robot Heroes|Galvatron]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Arcee (G1)#Robot Heroes|Arcee]] & [[Rumble (G1)#Robot Heroes|Decepticon Rumble]]}}
{{Bp-m1p1|[[Optimus Primal/toys#Beast Wars series|Optimus Primal]] & [[Tarantulas (BW)#Robot Heroes|Predacon Tarantulas]]}}
{{Bp-m1p1|[[Rhinox (BW)#Robot Heroes|Rhinox]] & [[Waspinator (BW)#Robot Heroes|Waspinator]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Blaster (G1)#Robot Heroes|Autobot Blaster]] & [[Thrust (G1)#Robot Heroes|Thrust]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Robot Heroes|Ironhide]] & [[Kickback (G1)#Robot Heroes|Kickback]]}}
{{Bp-m1p1|[[Silverbolt (BW)#Robot Heroes|Silverbolt]] & [[Megatron (BW)/toys#RHTransmetal|Megatron (Transmetal)]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
* [[Cheetor (BW)/toys#RHTankor|Cheetor]] (''BM'') & [[Tankor (BM)#Robo Heroes|Tankor]]
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Perceptor (G1)#Robot Heroes|Perceptor]] & [[Bombshell (G1)#Robot Heroes|Hardshell]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Slag (G1)#Robot Heroes|Snarl]] & [[Sharkticon (G1)#Robot Heroes|Sharkticon]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Robotheroesmegatronrattrap.jpg|thumb|250px|''Robot Heroes'' Megatron and Rattrap]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Ricochet (Headmasters)#Robot Heroes|Ricochet]] & [[Predaking (G1)#Robot Heroes|Predaking]]}}
{{Bp-m1p1|[[Tigatron#Robot Heroes|Tigatron]] & [[Inferno (BW)#Robot Heroes|Inferno]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Canceled'''''
<ul class="iconlist">
* [[Optimus Prime (RID)#Robot Heroes|Super Optimus Prime]] (''RiD'') & [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] (''RiD'')
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Prowl (G1)/toys#Robot Heroes|Prowl]] & [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Robot Heroes|Laserbeak]]}}
* [[Optimus Primal/toys#Beast Machines series|Optimus Primal]] (''BM'') & [[Jetstorm (BM)#Robot Heroes|Jetstorm]]
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Star Saber (Victory)#Robot Heroes|Victory Saber]] & [[Deathsaurus (Victory)#Robot Heroes|Dessaras]]}}
|}
{{note|Wave 5 only saw release in Australia, Singapore, the United Kingdom and Germany.}}

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====More than Meets the Eye 25th Anniversary Pack====
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Generation 1 Series|25th Anniversary Optimus Prime Pack]]}}</ul>

{{-}}

===Exclusives===
Boueyd by the success of the [[Movie (toyline)|live-action movie toyline]], ''Universe'' put out quite a lot of [[exclusive]] items over its run. This is list for the US retailers only: see individual entries for how these toys were released elsewhere).

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''CostCo'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Ultra Twin-Pack ([[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Universe (2008)|Optimus Prime]], [[Crumplezone (Cybertron)#Cybertron Series|Crumplezone]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Hasbro Toy Shop]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Blaster (G1)#Hasbroreissue|Autobot Blaster]] (w/ [[Eject (G1)#G1 Series|Eject]], [[Ramhorn (G1)#G1 Series|Ramhorn]], [[Steeljaw (G1)#Universe (2008)|Steeljaw]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Drag Strip (G1)#Universe (2008)|Drag Strip]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#UniSpecEd|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Universe (2008)|Nemesis Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UniSpecEd|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Overkill (G1)#Universe (2008)|Overkill]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Soundwave]] (w/ [[Buzzsaw (G1)#Universe (2008)|Buzzsaw]], [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Laserbeak]], [[Ratbat (G1)#UniReissue|Ratbat]], [[Ravage (G1)/toys#UniReissue|Ravage]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Kmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|"Mini-Con 10-Pack" ([[Crosshairs (Universe)|Crosshairs]], [[Longview (Universe)|Longview]], [[Overcharge (Universe)|Overcharge]], [[Ransack (Universe 2008)|Ransack]], [[Scavenger (Universe 2008)|Scavenger]], [[Sky Shadow (Universe)|Sky Shadow]], [[Snow Cat (Universe)|Snow Cat]], [[Stockade (Universe 2008)|Stockade]], [[Windrazor (Universe)|Windrazor]], [[Treadshot (Universe 2008)|Treadshot]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"Mini-Con 12-Pack" ([[Backstop (Universe)|Backstop]], [[Blight (Universe)|Blight]], [[Bodyblock (Universe)|Bodyblock]], [[Boltflash]], [[Brimstone (Universe)|Brimstone]], [[Cloudraker (Universe)|Cloudraker]], [[Flatfoot (Universe)|Flatfoot]], [[Heavytread (Universe)|Heavytread]], [[Knockdown (Universe)|Knockdown]], [[Makeshift (Universe)|Makeshift]], [[Skyhammer (Universe)|Skyhammer]], [[Suppressor (Universe)|Suppressor]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Meijer'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|"Mini-Con 10-Pack" ([[Crosshairs (Universe)|Crosshairs]], [[Longview (Universe)|Longview]], [[Overcharge (Universe)|Overcharge]], [[Ransack (Universe 2008)|Ransack]], [[Scavenger (Universe 2008)|Scavenger]], [[Sky Shadow (Universe)|Sky Shadow]], [[Snow Cat (Universe)|Snow Cat]], [[Stockade (Universe 2008)|Stockade]], [[Windrazor (Universe)|Windrazor]], [[Treadshot (Universe 2008)|Treadshot]])}}
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Sam's Club'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|"Battle for the [[Cyber Planet Key]]s" ([[Blurr (Cybertron)#Toys|Blurr]], [[Buzzsaw (Cybertron)#Toys|Buzzsaw]], [[Longrack (Cybertron)#Toys|Longrack]], [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Universe (2008)|Optimus Prime]], [[Runamuck (Cybertron)#Toys|Runamuck]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[San Diego Comic-Con]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Blaster (G1)#Hasbroreissue|Autobot Blaster]] (w/ [[Eject (G1)#G1 Series|Eject]], [[Ramhorn (G1)#G1 Series|Ramhorn]], [[Steeljaw (G1)#Universe (2008)|Steeljaw]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Universe (2008)|Nemesis Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Soundwave]] (w/ [[Buzzsaw (G1)#Universe (2008)|Buzzsaw]], [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Laserbeak]], [[Ratbat (G1)#UniReissue|Ratbat]], [[Ravage (G1)/toys#UniReissue|Ravage]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Target]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Spot (G1)#Titanium Series|Hot Zone]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Target|Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Titanium Series 2|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Thrust (G1)#Titanium Series|Thrust]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"Aerial Rivals" ([[Air Raid (G1)#Universe (2008)|Air Raid]], [[Blades (G1)#LOC|Autobot Blades]], [[Ramjet (G1)#Universe (2008)|Ramjet]], [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)#Universe (2008)|Skydive]], [[Thrust (G1)#Universe (2008)|Thrust]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|"Autobot Ambush" ([[Dirge (G1)#Universe (2008)|Dirge]] vs. [[Roadbuster (G1)#Universe (2008)|Autobot Roadbuster]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"Special Team Leaders" ([[Hot Spot (G1)#Universe (2008)|Autobot Hot Zone]], [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)#Universe (2008)|Hun-Gurrr]], [[Razorclaw (G1)#Universe (2008)|Razorclaw]], [[Scattershot (G1)#Universe (2008)|Scattorshot]], [[Silverbolt (G1)#Legend|Silverbolt]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"Standoff Beneath The Streets" ([[Springer (G1)#Universe (2008)|Springer]] vs. [[Ratbat (G1)#Universe (2008)|Ratbat]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Toys"R"Us|Toys"R"Us]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Countdown (G1)#Universe (2008)|Autobot Countdown]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Darkwing (G1)#Universe (2008)|Darkwind]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Insecticon (G1)#Universe (2008)|Insecticons]] ([[Bombshell (G1)#Universe (2008)|Hardshell]], [[Kickback (G1)#Universe (2008)|Kickback]], [[Shrapnel (G1)#Universe (2008)|Sharpshot]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Perceptor (G1)#Universe (2008)|Perceptor]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Unicron/toys#Universe (2008)|Unicron]] (w/ [[Dead End (Armada)#Toys|Dead End]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Walmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hardhead (G1)#Universe (2008)|Hardhead]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Powerglide (G1)#WalmartRed|Powerglide]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Skyjack#Universe (2008)|Skyfall]]}}
{{Bp-d1|''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Skywarp]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"The Data War" ([[Clocker (Cybertron)#Universe (2008)|Clocker]] vs. [[Hardtop (Cybertron)#Cybertron Series|Hardtop]])}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"War of the Waves" ([[Air Raid (Universe 2008)|Air Raid]] vs. [[Storm Surge (Universe)|Storm Surge]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''"[[Market Six]]" stores'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Blight (Universe)#SingleCard|Blight]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bodyblock (Universe)#SingleCard|Bodyblock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Boltflash#SingleCard|Boltflash]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Brimstone (Universe)#Single|Brimstone]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Makeshift (Universe)#SingleCard|Makeshift]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Suppressor (Universe)#SingleCard|Suppressor]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Backstop (Cybertron)#Universe (2008)|Backstop]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Brakedown (Cybertron)#Universe (2008)|Brakedown]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Brushguard#Universe (2008)|Brushguard]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"Warriors From Three Worlds" ([[Ransack (Cybertron)#Universe (2008)|Ransack GTS]], [[Repugnus (Cybertron)#Universe (2008)|Repugnus]], [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)#Universe (2008)|Scattorshot]])}}
|}

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===International releases===
[[File:ChallengeAtCybertron.jpg|thumb|The Asian exclusive "Challenge at Cybertron" giftset.]]

*[[Superion (G1)#Uni08Superion|Superion]] gift set ([[Air Raid (G1)#Uni08Superion|Air Raid]], [[Airazor (Universe)#Uni08Superion|Airazor]], [[Fireflight (G1)#Uni08Superion|Fireflight]], [[Silverbolt (G1)#Uni08Superion|Silverbolt]], [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)#Uni08Superion|Skydive]])

*[[Bruticus (G1)#Universe (2008)|Bruticus Maximus]] gift set ([[Blast Off (G1)#Universe (2008)|Blast Off]], [[Brawl (G1)#Universe (2008)|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Onslaught (G1)#BrutMaxSet|Onslaught]], [[Swindle (G1)#Universe (2008)|Swindle]], [[Vortex (G1)#Universe (2008)|Vortex]])

{{Note|These two five-packs have only been released in the United Kingdom, Australia and Singapore. In North America, they were released in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' packaging instead, as [[Target]] [[exclusive]]s.}}

*"Challenge At Cybertron" three pack ([[Galvatron (G1)/toys#ChallengeAtCybertron|Galvatron]], [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#ChallengeAtCybertron|Cyclonus]] w/ [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)#ChallengeAtCybertron|Nightstick]], [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#ChallengeAtCybertron|Rodimus]])

{{Note|Distributed by Hasbro Malaysia, this set was a shared exclusive at [[China]]'s [[Cybertron Con 2010]] and at the [[Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong]] festival. Hasbro would later go on to make some pieces available as contest prizes for [[Unofficial conventions|Auto Assembly 2010]] in the U.K.}}

===''Universe'' toys moved to the movie toyline===
Due to retailer demand, several toys originally intended as ''Universe'' product were instead released as [[Movie (toyline)|movie-branded]] [[Walmart]] exclusives.

*[[Big Daddy (Movie)|Big Daddy]] (redeco of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Deluxe Class [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]])
*[[Jolt (Movie)|Jolt]] (redeco of ''Cybertron'' Deluxe Class [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]])
*[[Grindcore (Movie)|Grindcore]] (redeco of ''Cybertron'' Deluxe Class [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]])
*[[Divebomb (Movie)|Divebomb]] (redeco of ''Cybertron'' Deluxe Class [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]])
{{note|The above toys were also available as non-exclusive mass retail releases in Hong Kong, Malaysia and Singapore.}}
*[[Crankcase (Movie)|Crankcase]] (redeco of ''Cybertron'' Deluxe Class [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]])
*[[Fracture (Movie)|Decepticon Fracture]] (redeco of ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Deluxe Class [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]])
*[[Breakaway (Movie)|Breakaway]] (redeco of ''Cybertron'' Deluxe Class [[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Hot Shot]])

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Transformers: Classics

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{{disambig3|Classics}}
<div class="center">[[File:TF Classics.png|550x250px|center]]</div> 

When the [[Transformers (film)|live-action ''Transformers'' film]] was pushed back from November 2006 to July 2007, [[Hasbro]] needed to create a filler line to bridge the gap in their product offerings. That bridge was a revisitation of the original "[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]" characters, dubbed '''''Transformers: Classics'''''. The line featured many original toy designs, as well as some [[Mini-Con]]s which were originally meant for the tail-end of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' line. A handful of [[redeco]]ed [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] figures rounded out the selection.

''Classics'' has a Japanese counterpart in ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'', and later gained spiritual successors in the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' line]], the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' line and the ''[[Reveal the Shield]]'' sub-segment of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' line]].

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==Toys==
===Classic Legends===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fireflight (G1)#Classics|Fireflight]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Classics|Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Classics|Perceptor]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Trypticon (G1)#Classics|Trypticon]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#LOC|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#ClassicLegend|Jetfire]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Menasor (G1)#Classics|Menasor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Whirl (G1)#Classics|Autobot Whirl]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Cybertron Collection'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Classics|Hot Shot]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Classics|Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Classics|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (Cybertron)#Classics|Soundwave]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}
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===Mini-Cons===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Demolition Team]] ([[Broadside (Classics)#Toys|Broadside]], [[Sledge (Classics)#Toys|Sledge]], [[Wideload (Classics)#Toys|Wideload]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Dinobot (Classics)#Toys|Dinobots]] ([[Knockdown (Classics)#Toys|Knockdown]], [[Swoop (G1)/toys#Classics|Swoop]], [[Terrorsaur (Classics)#Toys|Terrorsaur]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Night Rescue Team]] ([[Divebomb (Classics)#Toys|Divebomb]], [[Firebot (Classics)#Toys|Firebot]], [[Strongarm (Classics)#Toys|Strongarm]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Clear Skies Team]] ([[Nightscream (Classics)#Toys|Nightscream]], [[Steel Wind#Toys|Steel Wind]], [[Thunderwing (Classics)#Toys|Thunderwing]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Dirt Digger Team]] ([[Dirt Rocket (Classics)|Dirt Rocket]], [[Grindor (Classics)|Grindor]], [[Oil Slick (Classics)|Oil Slick]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Predator Attack Team]] ([[Dreadwing (Classics)#Toys|Dreadwing]], [[Overbite (Classics)#Toys|Overbite]], [[Snarl (Classics)#Toys|Snarl]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:Class06-toy DirtRocket.jpg|200px|thumb|Dirt Rocket]]
|}
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===Classic Deluxe===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Classics|Astrotrain]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classics|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Rodimus]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Classics|Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Classics|Mirage]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Classics|Cliffjumper]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Ramjet]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Grimlockclassicstoy.jpg|thumb|200px|"Classic Deluxe" Grimlock]]
|}
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===Classic Voyager===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Classics|Jetfire]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:ClassicsPrime Voyager.jpg|thumb|200px|"Classic Voyager" Optimus Prime]]
|}

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===Miscellaneous===
[[File:Classicstoy ultimate battle megatron.jpg|200px|thumb|"Ultimate Battle" Megatron]]
:{{Bp-a1d1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UltimateBattle|Optimus Prime]] vs [[Megatron (G1)/toys#UltimateBattle|Megatron]]: The Ultimate Battle}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#20thDVD|Optimus Prime]] (20th Anniversary "DVD Edition")}}

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===Exclusives===

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[BotCon 2007]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|"Games of Deception" set ([[Bug Bite (GoBots)#Timelines 2|Bug Bite]], [[Dirge (G1)/toys#Timelines|Dirge]], [[Dreadwind (G1)#Timelines|Dreadwind]], [[Thrust (G1)/toys#Timelines|Thrust]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Timelines|Thundercracker]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Timelines|Hologram Mirage]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Springer (G1)/toys#Timelines|Springer]] & [[Huffer (G1)#Timelines|Huffer]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Alpha Trion (SG)#Toys|Alpha Trion]] w/ [[Beta Maxx (RID)#Toys|Beta Maxx]] & [[Weirdwolf (G1)#Timelines|Weirdwolf]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Hasbro Toy Shop]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#PepsiPrime2007|Pepsi Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Target]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|"Battle for Autobot City" ([[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Classics|Ultra Magnus]] vs [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Skywarp]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Devastatorclassics.jpg|200px|thumb|Constructicon Devastator]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|"[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Edition]]" [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Classics|Soundwave]] (w/ [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Classics|Laserbeak]] & [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Battle Ravage]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Walmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Devastator (G1)#Classics 2|Constructicon Devastator]] ([[Bonecrusher (G1)#Classics 2|Bonecrusher]], [[Hightower (Classics)|Hightower]], [[Long Haul (G1)#Classics 2|Long Haul]], [[Scavenger (G1)#Classics 2|Scavenger]], [[Scrapper (G1)#Classics 2|Scrapper]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#MasterpieceUS|Masterpiece Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"The Ultimate Battle" set (w/ [[Giant Planet Mini-Con Team]])}}
|}

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===Non-US market Hasbro releases===
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]]/[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] two-pack (Deluxe Bumblebee and Astrotrain on a new, shared cardback)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus]]/[[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] two-pack (Deluxe Rodimus and Starscream on a new, shared cardback)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] Twin Pack (Voyager Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus from the "Battle for Autobot City" two-pack in a new box similar to the Soundwave reissue)
*[[Jetfire (G1)/toys|Jetfire]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]] Twin Pack (Voyager Jetfire and Deluxe Grimlock in a new box similar to the Soundwave reissue)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (from the "Ultimate Battle" two-pack, on a new, individual cardback)
*[[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]] (from the "Ultimate Battle" two-pack, on a new, individual cardback)

==Fiction==
Although no cartoons or comic books were planned for the line by Hasbro, [[Fun Publications]] picked up the ball for their [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Official Transformers Fan Club Magazine comic]], making ''Classics'' the basis of their 2007 story-arc, "[[Crossing Over]]". The story uses the old [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US ''The Transformers'' comic]] as backstory, but disregards the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] material and the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comic]] that followed, taking things in a new direction instead. The ''Classics'' fiction has since been expanded by several exclusive on-line prose stories, single issue comics available through the club or at BotCon, and through Bios available on the club website or in the magazine.

A brief timeline of the ''Classics'' universe includes:
*"[[The New World]]" - online prose
*''[[Revelations Part 6|Revelations]]'' - 6 part story from 2006 OTFCC comic (only the very end takes place in the Classicverse)
*''[[Crossing Over]]'' - 6 part story from 2007 OTFCC comic
*"[[Games of Deception]]" - BotCon 2007 convention comic
*"[[Gone Too Far]]" - online prose (only the ending takes place in the Classicsverse)
*"[[Withered Hope]]" - online prose (only the epilogue takes place in the Classicverse)
*"[[Cheap Shots]]" - one-time comic special, available through the club
*"[[At Fight's End]]" - online prose
*"[[Invasion Prologue]]" - online comic prequel to the Botcon 2012 convention comic (featuring the TransTechs viewing the Classicsverse on a computer screen)
*"[[Invasion (issue)|Invasion]]" - BotCon 2012 convention comic
*''[[Beast Wars Shattered Glass]]'' - 6 part story from the 2013 OTFCC comic (features Classicverse refugees in the prehistoric era of the ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' universe)
*"[[Solar Requiem]]" - pack-in comic co-produced by Fun Publications and [[e-HOBBY]] (includes Classicsverse refugees in the ''Shattered Glass'' universe)
*''[[Another Light]]'' - 7 part story from the 2015 OTFCC comic (includes Classicsverse refugees in the ''Shattered Glass'' universe)

Also of note is that, after "Crossing Over", Classics [[Cliffjumper (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Cliffjumper]] embarks on his own adventures in the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|''Shattered Glass'']] universe. On a similar note, the Classicsverse itself ceases to exist after [[Invasion (issue)|Invasion]] as the result of [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]'s interdimensional tampering, save for its version of Earth and anyone on it (which was transported into the ''Shattered Glass'' universe and is now orbiting ''Shattered Glass'' Cybertron).

==What counts as ''Classics''?==
[[File:UltimateBattleClassics.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
The term "Classics" is universally accepted and used by both fans and Hasbro, but it appears with surprising irregularity around the toys themselves. The first year of packaging only labeled them "Transformers" (with the tag line "Robots in Disguise" occasionally being mistaken for a secondary title), with "Classic" appearing solely as a prefix to some of the [[size class]]es, such as "Classic Deluxe" or "Classic Voyager".

On the other hand, the photo gallery of the toy line included on the ''[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle]]'' DVD invited its viewers to "check out all the awesome TRANSFORMERS Classics figures!". Furthermore, Hasbro's official Transformers website prominently featured the name "Classics" in multiple places at the time, including a "Transformers Classics" overview page. The accompanying toy list included almost all the toys listed above, explicitly identifying assortments such as "Classic Legends" and "Classic Mini-Con 3-packs" by name. The Hasbro website also featured a variation of the toy line logo that included the secondary title "Classic", which can also be found, of all places, on the bottom of the packaging for [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' versions of all the figures that originated from the US Classics line, just like those figures whose Hasbro counterparts were released under the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' toy line sport a small ''Transformers: Universe'' logo on the bottom of their packaging.

Some toys, such as the Magnus/Skywarp two-pack, have no "Classic" label at all. The one unifying factor was the distinctive design of the packaging, which spread to even the [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave re-release]]. This has become the commonly-accepted delineator of the ''Classics'' line, which brings the following toys into the fold even though they don't self-identify as such:

*Prime vs. Megatron Ultimate Battle set
*Magnus vs. Skywarp Battle for Autobot City set
*20th Anniversary Prime redeco
*Mini-Cons (the Mini-Con sets have been referred to as ''Classics'' toys on Hasbro's website, but not on the packaging)
*Toys "R" Us exclusive reissue Soundwave
*BotCon 2007 exclusives
*Pepsi Optimus Prime
*Optimus Prime & Ultra Magnus (Asian market exclusive two-pack, 2007)
*Jetfire & Grimlock (Asian market exclusive two-pack, 2007)
*Masterpiece Starscream Hasbro release

Complicating things further, ''Classics'' would later be subsumed by the relaunched ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' franchise (which also engulfed ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]''). The line replaced the defining ''Classics'' packaging style with the new ''Universe'' design. Only a small "Classic Series" label on their packaging maintained the connection to the previous ''Classics'' toys and separated them from other toys in the ''Universe'' line, labeled "Beast Wars Series", "Armada Series" or "Cybertron Series". However, as the line progressed, "Classic Series" was eventually replaced with "Generation 1 Series", which appears to have been simply an attempt at more consistent labeling.

The 2008 ''Universe'' toy line and the [[Transformers: Generations|2010 ''Generations'' toyline]] are sometimes informally referred to as Classics 2.0 and Classics 3.0.

==Notes==
[[File:Classics Soundwave.jpg|thumb|upright=1.33|And this is what you could have won...]]
*Several other toys were planned for ''Classics'', but never made it past the concept or prototype stage. Those include:
**Concept art for [[Cosmos (G1)#Notes|Cosmos]] was shown at [[BotCon 2006]]. The design was rejected because the higher-ups at [[Hasbro]] felt the [[alternate mode]] was too "boring". The art was later printed as part of the supplementary material in the ''[[The Transformers: Stormbringer|Stormbringer]]'' trade paperback collection. The design itself was later revisited for the "Cybertron Heroes" segment of the ''[[Titanium Series]]'', but ultimately never made it past the hardcopy prototype stage due to the cancellation of the ''Titanium Series''.
**A Voyager-sized [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Notes|Soundwave]] was first hinted in an alleged list of the tentative ''Classics'' line-up.<ref name="classicslineup">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/possible-transformers-classic-line-up-4336/ Rumor] about the ''Classics'' lineup that turned out to be spot on aside from Voyager Soundwave and Deluxe Optimus Prime.</ref> Years later, [[Don Figueroa]] unveiled his unused design artwork for an SUV-esque Soundwave.<ref name="donswave">[http://www.unicron.com/news_item/1132/ Don Figueroa, New Concept Art & comics news!]</ref>
**The aforementioned tentative line-up also listed a Deluxe-sized [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] without a trailer and a version ''with'' a trailer at the Voyager [[size class|price point]]; however, it appears the decision was eventually made to upscale Optimus to Voyager size instead.<ref name="sage">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/cybertron-crosswise-redeco-and-transformers-classics-info-4683/ "Cybertron Crosswise Redeco and Transformers Classics Info"] (via [[Joe Kyde]]'s proxy "SAGE2764")</ref> [[Don Figueroa]]'s [[control drawing]]s for the Deluxe version were leaked before the ''Classics'' line was even released at retail.<ref name="primecontrol">Leaked ''Classics'' Deluxe Optimus Prime control drawings: [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-design-sketch-4691/ Vehicle mode], [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-robot-mode-design-sketches-4692/ robot mode]</ref> A gray model [[prototype]] was later shown as part of an interview with [[TakaraTomy]]'s staff in ''[[Transformers Generations 2009#Volume 1|Transformers Generations 2009 vol. 1]]''.<ref name="ttinterview">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/general-articles-25/translated-version-of-the-takara-tomy-transformers-henkei--classics-staff-interview-167073/ Translated TakaraTomy Henkei/Classics staff interview]</ref> It's unclear whether the trailer ever made it past the early planning stage before the decision was made to uspscale Optimus to Voyager size.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

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[[Category:Generation 1 franchises]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Transformers: Classics

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{{disambig3|Classics}}
<div class="center">[[File:TF Classics.png|550x250px|center]]</div> 

When the [[Transformers (film)|live-action ''Transformers'' film]] was pushed back from November 2006 to July 2007, [[Hasbro]] needed to create a filler line to bridge the gap in their product offerings. That bridge was a revisitation of the original "[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]" characters, dubbed '''''Transformers: Classics'''''. The line featured many original toy designs, as well as some [[Mini-Con]]s which were originally meant for the tail-end of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' line. A handful of [[redeco]]ed [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] figures rounded out the selection.

''Classics'' has a Japanese counterpart in ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'', and later gained spiritual successors in the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' line]], the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' line and the ''[[Reveal the Shield]]'' sub-segment of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' line]].

{{TOCclear}}

==Toys==
===Classic Legends===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fireflight (G1)#Classics|Fireflight]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Classics|Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Classics|Perceptor]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Trypticon (G1)#Classics|Trypticon]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#LOC|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#ClassicLegend|Jetfire]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Menasor (G1)#Classics|Menasor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Whirl (G1)#Classics|Autobot Whirl]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Cybertron Collection'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Classics|Hot Shot]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Classics|Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Classics|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (Cybertron)#Classics|Soundwave]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}
{{-}}
===Mini-Cons===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Demolition Team]] ([[Broadside (Classics)#Toys|Broadside]], [[Sledge (Classics)#Toys|Sledge]], [[Wideload (Classics)#Toys|Wideload]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Dinobot (Classics)#Toys|Dinobots]] ([[Knockdown (Classics)#Toys|Knockdown]], [[Swoop (G1)/toys#Classics|Swoop]], [[Terrorsaur (Classics)#Toys|Terrorsaur]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Night Rescue Team]] ([[Divebomb (Classics)#Toys|Divebomb]], [[Firebot (Classics)#Toys|Firebot]], [[Strongarm (Classics)#Toys|Strongarm]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Clear Skies Team]] ([[Nightscream (Classics)#Toys|Nightscream]], [[Steel Wind#Toys|Steel Wind]], [[Thunderwing (Classics)#Toys|Thunderwing]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Dirt Digger Team]] ([[Dirt Rocket (Classics)|Dirt Rocket]], [[Grindor (Classics)|Grindor]], [[Oil Slick (Classics)|Oil Slick]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Predator Attack Team]] ([[Dreadwing (Classics)#Toys|Dreadwing]], [[Overbite (Classics)#Toys|Overbite]], [[Snarl (Classics)#Toys|Snarl]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:Class06-toy DirtRocket.jpg|200px|thumb|Dirt Rocket]]
|}
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===Classic Deluxe===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Classics|Astrotrain]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classics|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Rodimus]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Classics|Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Classics|Mirage]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Classics|Cliffjumper]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Ramjet]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Grimlockclassicstoy.jpg|thumb|200px|"Classic Deluxe" Grimlock]]
|}
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===Classic Voyager===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Classics|Jetfire]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:ClassicsPrime Voyager.jpg|thumb|200px|"Classic Voyager" Optimus Prime]]
|}

{{-}}
===Miscellaneous===
[[File:Classicstoy ultimate battle megatron.jpg|200px|thumb|"Ultimate Battle" Megatron]]
:{{Bp-a1d1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UltimateBattle|Optimus Prime]] vs [[Megatron (G1)/toys#UltimateBattle|Megatron]]: The Ultimate Battle}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#20thDVD|Optimus Prime]] (20th Anniversary "DVD Edition")}}

{{-}}
===Exclusives===

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[BotCon 2007]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|"Games of Deception" set ([[Bug Bite (GoBots)#Timelines 2|Bug Bite]], [[Dirge (G1)/toys#Timelines|Dirge]], [[Dreadwind (G1)#Timelines|Dreadwind]], [[Thrust (G1)/toys#Timelines|Thrust]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Timelines|Thundercracker]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Timelines|Hologram Mirage]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Springer (G1)#Timelines|Springer]] & [[Huffer (G1)#Timelines|Huffer]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Alpha Trion (SG)#Toys|Alpha Trion]] w/ [[Beta Maxx (RID)#Toys|Beta Maxx]] & [[Weirdwolf (G1)#Timelines|Weirdwolf]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Hasbro Toy Shop]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#PepsiPrime2007|Pepsi Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Target]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|"Battle for Autobot City" ([[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Classics|Ultra Magnus]] vs [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Skywarp]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Devastatorclassics.jpg|200px|thumb|Constructicon Devastator]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|"[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Edition]]" [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Classics|Soundwave]] (w/ [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Classics|Laserbeak]] & [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Battle Ravage]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Walmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Devastator (G1)#Classics 2|Constructicon Devastator]] ([[Bonecrusher (G1)#Classics 2|Bonecrusher]], [[Hightower (Classics)|Hightower]], [[Long Haul (G1)#Classics 2|Long Haul]], [[Scavenger (G1)#Classics 2|Scavenger]], [[Scrapper (G1)#Classics 2|Scrapper]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#MasterpieceUS|Masterpiece Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"The Ultimate Battle" set (w/ [[Giant Planet Mini-Con Team]])}}
|}

{{-}}
===Non-US market Hasbro releases===
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]]/[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] two-pack (Deluxe Bumblebee and Astrotrain on a new, shared cardback)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus]]/[[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] two-pack (Deluxe Rodimus and Starscream on a new, shared cardback)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] Twin Pack (Voyager Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus from the "Battle for Autobot City" two-pack in a new box similar to the Soundwave reissue)
*[[Jetfire (G1)/toys|Jetfire]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]] Twin Pack (Voyager Jetfire and Deluxe Grimlock in a new box similar to the Soundwave reissue)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (from the "Ultimate Battle" two-pack, on a new, individual cardback)
*[[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]] (from the "Ultimate Battle" two-pack, on a new, individual cardback)

==Fiction==
Although no cartoons or comic books were planned for the line by Hasbro, [[Fun Publications]] picked up the ball for their [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Official Transformers Fan Club Magazine comic]], making ''Classics'' the basis of their 2007 story-arc, "[[Crossing Over]]". The story uses the old [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US ''The Transformers'' comic]] as backstory, but disregards the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] material and the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comic]] that followed, taking things in a new direction instead. The ''Classics'' fiction has since been expanded by several exclusive on-line prose stories, single issue comics available through the club or at BotCon, and through Bios available on the club website or in the magazine.

A brief timeline of the ''Classics'' universe includes:
*"[[The New World]]" - online prose
*''[[Revelations Part 6|Revelations]]'' - 6 part story from 2006 OTFCC comic (only the very end takes place in the Classicverse)
*''[[Crossing Over]]'' - 6 part story from 2007 OTFCC comic
*"[[Games of Deception]]" - BotCon 2007 convention comic
*"[[Gone Too Far]]" - online prose (only the ending takes place in the Classicsverse)
*"[[Withered Hope]]" - online prose (only the epilogue takes place in the Classicverse)
*"[[Cheap Shots]]" - one-time comic special, available through the club
*"[[At Fight's End]]" - online prose
*"[[Invasion Prologue]]" - online comic prequel to the Botcon 2012 convention comic (featuring the TransTechs viewing the Classicsverse on a computer screen)
*"[[Invasion (issue)|Invasion]]" - BotCon 2012 convention comic
*''[[Beast Wars Shattered Glass]]'' - 6 part story from the 2013 OTFCC comic (features Classicverse refugees in the prehistoric era of the ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' universe)
*"[[Solar Requiem]]" - pack-in comic co-produced by Fun Publications and [[e-HOBBY]] (includes Classicsverse refugees in the ''Shattered Glass'' universe)
*''[[Another Light]]'' - 7 part story from the 2015 OTFCC comic (includes Classicsverse refugees in the ''Shattered Glass'' universe)

Also of note is that, after "Crossing Over", Classics [[Cliffjumper (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Cliffjumper]] embarks on his own adventures in the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|''Shattered Glass'']] universe. On a similar note, the Classicsverse itself ceases to exist after [[Invasion (issue)|Invasion]] as the result of [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]'s interdimensional tampering, save for its version of Earth and anyone on it (which was transported into the ''Shattered Glass'' universe and is now orbiting ''Shattered Glass'' Cybertron).

==What counts as ''Classics''?==
[[File:UltimateBattleClassics.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
The term "Classics" is universally accepted and used by both fans and Hasbro, but it appears with surprising irregularity around the toys themselves. The first year of packaging only labeled them "Transformers" (with the tag line "Robots in Disguise" occasionally being mistaken for a secondary title), with "Classic" appearing solely as a prefix to some of the [[size class]]es, such as "Classic Deluxe" or "Classic Voyager".

On the other hand, the photo gallery of the toy line included on the ''[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle]]'' DVD invited its viewers to "check out all the awesome TRANSFORMERS Classics figures!". Furthermore, Hasbro's official Transformers website prominently featured the name "Classics" in multiple places at the time, including a "Transformers Classics" overview page. The accompanying toy list included almost all the toys listed above, explicitly identifying assortments such as "Classic Legends" and "Classic Mini-Con 3-packs" by name. The Hasbro website also featured a variation of the toy line logo that included the secondary title "Classic", which can also be found, of all places, on the bottom of the packaging for [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' versions of all the figures that originated from the US Classics line, just like those figures whose Hasbro counterparts were released under the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' toy line sport a small ''Transformers: Universe'' logo on the bottom of their packaging.

Some toys, such as the Magnus/Skywarp two-pack, have no "Classic" label at all. The one unifying factor was the distinctive design of the packaging, which spread to even the [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave re-release]]. This has become the commonly-accepted delineator of the ''Classics'' line, which brings the following toys into the fold even though they don't self-identify as such:

*Prime vs. Megatron Ultimate Battle set
*Magnus vs. Skywarp Battle for Autobot City set
*20th Anniversary Prime redeco
*Mini-Cons (the Mini-Con sets have been referred to as ''Classics'' toys on Hasbro's website, but not on the packaging)
*Toys "R" Us exclusive reissue Soundwave
*BotCon 2007 exclusives
*Pepsi Optimus Prime
*Optimus Prime & Ultra Magnus (Asian market exclusive two-pack, 2007)
*Jetfire & Grimlock (Asian market exclusive two-pack, 2007)
*Masterpiece Starscream Hasbro release

Complicating things further, ''Classics'' would later be subsumed by the relaunched ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' franchise (which also engulfed ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]''). The line replaced the defining ''Classics'' packaging style with the new ''Universe'' design. Only a small "Classic Series" label on their packaging maintained the connection to the previous ''Classics'' toys and separated them from other toys in the ''Universe'' line, labeled "Beast Wars Series", "Armada Series" or "Cybertron Series". However, as the line progressed, "Classic Series" was eventually replaced with "Generation 1 Series", which appears to have been simply an attempt at more consistent labeling.

The 2008 ''Universe'' toy line and the [[Transformers: Generations|2010 ''Generations'' toyline]] are sometimes informally referred to as Classics 2.0 and Classics 3.0.

==Notes==
[[File:Classics Soundwave.jpg|thumb|upright=1.33|And this is what you could have won...]]
*Several other toys were planned for ''Classics'', but never made it past the concept or prototype stage. Those include:
**Concept art for [[Cosmos (G1)#Notes|Cosmos]] was shown at [[BotCon 2006]]. The design was rejected because the higher-ups at [[Hasbro]] felt the [[alternate mode]] was too "boring". The art was later printed as part of the supplementary material in the ''[[The Transformers: Stormbringer|Stormbringer]]'' trade paperback collection. The design itself was later revisited for the "Cybertron Heroes" segment of the ''[[Titanium Series]]'', but ultimately never made it past the hardcopy prototype stage due to the cancellation of the ''Titanium Series''.
**A Voyager-sized [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Notes|Soundwave]] was first hinted in an alleged list of the tentative ''Classics'' line-up.<ref name="classicslineup">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/possible-transformers-classic-line-up-4336/ Rumor] about the ''Classics'' lineup that turned out to be spot on aside from Voyager Soundwave and Deluxe Optimus Prime.</ref> Years later, [[Don Figueroa]] unveiled his unused design artwork for an SUV-esque Soundwave.<ref name="donswave">[http://www.unicron.com/news_item/1132/ Don Figueroa, New Concept Art & comics news!]</ref>
**The aforementioned tentative line-up also listed a Deluxe-sized [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] without a trailer and a version ''with'' a trailer at the Voyager [[size class|price point]]; however, it appears the decision was eventually made to upscale Optimus to Voyager size instead.<ref name="sage">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/cybertron-crosswise-redeco-and-transformers-classics-info-4683/ "Cybertron Crosswise Redeco and Transformers Classics Info"] (via [[Joe Kyde]]'s proxy "SAGE2764")</ref> [[Don Figueroa]]'s [[control drawing]]s for the Deluxe version were leaked before the ''Classics'' line was even released at retail.<ref name="primecontrol">Leaked ''Classics'' Deluxe Optimus Prime control drawings: [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-design-sketch-4691/ Vehicle mode], [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-robot-mode-design-sketches-4692/ robot mode]</ref> A gray model [[prototype]] was later shown as part of an interview with [[TakaraTomy]]'s staff in ''[[Transformers Generations 2009#Volume 1|Transformers Generations 2009 vol. 1]]''.<ref name="ttinterview">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/general-articles-25/translated-version-of-the-takara-tomy-transformers-henkei--classics-staff-interview-167073/ Translated TakaraTomy Henkei/Classics staff interview]</ref> It's unclear whether the trailer ever made it past the early planning stage before the decision was made to uspscale Optimus to Voyager size.

==Footnotes==
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Transformers: Classics

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<div class="center">[[File:TF Classics.png|550x250px|center]]</div> 

When the [[Transformers (film)|live-action ''Transformers'' film]] was pushed back from November 2006 to July 2007, [[Hasbro]] needed to create a filler line to bridge the gap in their product offerings. That bridge was a revisitation of the original "[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]" characters, dubbed '''''Transformers: Classics'''''. The line featured many original toy designs, as well as some [[Mini-Con]]s which were originally meant for the tail-end of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' line. A handful of [[redeco]]ed [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] figures rounded out the selection.

''Classics'' has a Japanese counterpart in ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'', and later gained spiritual successors in the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' line]], the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' line and the ''[[Reveal the Shield]]'' sub-segment of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' line]].

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==Toys==
===Classic Legends===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fireflight (G1)#Classics|Fireflight]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Classics|Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Classics|Perceptor]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Trypticon (G1)#Classics|Trypticon]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#LOC|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#ClassicLegend|Jetfire]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Menasor (G1)#Classics|Menasor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Whirl (G1)#Classics|Autobot Whirl]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Cybertron Collection'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Classics|Hot Shot]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Classics|Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Classics|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (Cybertron)#Classics|Soundwave]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}
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===Mini-Cons===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Demolition Team]] ([[Broadside (Classics)#Toys|Broadside]], [[Sledge (Classics)#Toys|Sledge]], [[Wideload (Classics)#Toys|Wideload]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Dinobot (Classics)#Toys|Dinobots]] ([[Knockdown (Classics)#Toys|Knockdown]], [[Swoop (G1)/toys#Classics|Swoop]], [[Terrorsaur (Classics)#Toys|Terrorsaur]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Night Rescue Team]] ([[Divebomb (Classics)#Toys|Divebomb]], [[Firebot (Classics)#Toys|Firebot]], [[Strongarm (Classics)#Toys|Strongarm]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Clear Skies Team]] ([[Nightscream (Classics)#Toys|Nightscream]], [[Steel Wind#Toys|Steel Wind]], [[Thunderwing (Classics)#Toys|Thunderwing]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Dirt Digger Team]] ([[Dirt Rocket (Classics)|Dirt Rocket]], [[Grindor (Classics)|Grindor]], [[Oil Slick (Classics)|Oil Slick]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Predator Attack Team]] ([[Dreadwing (Classics)#Toys|Dreadwing]], [[Overbite (Classics)#Toys|Overbite]], [[Snarl (Classics)#Toys|Snarl]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:Class06-toy DirtRocket.jpg|200px|thumb|Dirt Rocket]]
|}
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===Classic Deluxe===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Classics|Astrotrain]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classics|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Rodimus]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Classics|Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Classics|Mirage]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Classics|Cliffjumper]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Ramjet]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Grimlockclassicstoy.jpg|thumb|200px|"Classic Deluxe" Grimlock]]
|}
{{-}}
===Classic Voyager===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Classics|Jetfire]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:ClassicsPrime Voyager.jpg|thumb|200px|"Classic Voyager" Optimus Prime]]
|}

{{-}}
===Miscellaneous===
[[File:Classicstoy ultimate battle megatron.jpg|200px|thumb|"Ultimate Battle" Megatron]]
:{{Bp-a1d1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UltimateBattle|Optimus Prime]] vs [[Megatron (G1)/toys#UltimateBattle|Megatron]]: The Ultimate Battle}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#20thDVD|Optimus Prime]] (20th Anniversary "DVD Edition")}}

{{-}}
===Exclusives===

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[BotCon 2007]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|"Games of Deception" set ([[Bug Bite (GoBots)#Timelines 2|Bug Bite]], [[Dirge (G1)/toys#Timelines|Dirge]], [[Dreadwind (G1)#Timelines|Dreadwind]], [[Thrust (G1)/toys#Timelines|Thrust]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Timelines|Thundercracker]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Timelines|Hologram Mirage]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Springer (G1)#Timelines|Springer]] & [[Huffer (G1)#Timelines|Huffer]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Alpha Trion (SG)#Toys|Alpha Trion]] w/ [[Beta Maxx (RID)#Toys|Beta Maxx]] & [[Weirdwolf (G1)#Timelines|Weirdwolf]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Hasbro Toy Shop]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#PepsiPrime2007|Pepsi Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Target]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|"Battle for Autobot City" ([[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Classics|Ultra Magnus]] vs [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Skywarp]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Devastatorclassics.jpg|200px|thumb|Constructicon Devastator]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|"[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Edition]]" [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Classics|Soundwave]] (w/ [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Classics|Laserbeak]] & [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Battle Ravage]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Walmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Devastator (G1)#Classics 2|Constructicon Devastator]] ([[Bonecrusher (G1)#Classics 2|Bonecrusher]], [[Hightower (Classics)|Hightower]], [[Long Haul (G1)#Classics 2|Long Haul]], [[Scavenger (G1)#Classics 2|Scavenger]], [[Scrapper (G1)#Classics 2|Scrapper]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#MasterpieceUS|Masterpiece Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"The Ultimate Battle" set (w/ [[Giant Planet Mini-Con Team]])}}
|}

{{-}}
===Non-US market Hasbro releases===
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]]/[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] two-pack (Deluxe Bumblebee and Astrotrain on a new, shared cardback)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus]]/[[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] two-pack (Deluxe Rodimus and Starscream on a new, shared cardback)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] Twin Pack (Voyager Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus from the "Battle for Autobot City" two-pack in a new box similar to the Soundwave reissue)
*[[Jetfire (G1)/toys|Jetfire]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]] Twin Pack (Voyager Jetfire and Deluxe Grimlock in a new box similar to the Soundwave reissue)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (from the "Ultimate Battle" two-pack, on a new, individual cardback)
*[[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]] (from the "Ultimate Battle" two-pack, on a new, individual cardback)

==Fiction==
Although no cartoons or comic books were planned for the line by Hasbro, [[Fun Publications]] picked up the ball for their [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Official Transformers Fan Club Magazine comic]], making ''Classics'' the basis of their 2007 story-arc, "[[Crossing Over]]". The story uses the old [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US ''The Transformers'' comic]] as backstory, but disregards the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] material and the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comic]] that followed, taking things in a new direction instead. The ''Classics'' fiction has since been expanded by several exclusive on-line prose stories, single issue comics available through the club or at BotCon, and through Bios available on the club website or in the magazine.

A brief timeline of the ''Classics'' universe includes:
*"[[The New World]]" - online prose
*''[[Revelations Part 6|Revelations]]'' - 6 part story from 2006 OTFCC comic (only the very end takes place in the Classicverse)
*''[[Crossing Over]]'' - 6 part story from 2007 OTFCC comic
*"[[Games of Deception]]" - BotCon 2007 convention comic
*"[[Gone Too Far]]" - online prose (only the ending takes place in the Classicsverse)
*"[[Withered Hope]]" - online prose (only the epilogue takes place in the Classicverse)
*"[[Cheap Shots]]" - one-time comic special, available through the club
*"[[At Fight's End]]" - online prose
*"[[Invasion Prologue]]" - online comic prequel to the Botcon 2012 convention comic (featuring the TransTechs viewing the Classicsverse on a computer screen)
*"[[Invasion (issue)|Invasion]]" - BotCon 2012 convention comic
*''[[Beast Wars Shattered Glass]]'' - 6 part story from the 2013 OTFCC comic (features Classicverse refugees in the prehistoric era of the ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' universe)
*"[[Solar Requiem]]" - pack-in comic co-produced by Fun Publications and [[e-HOBBY]] (includes Classicsverse refugees in the ''Shattered Glass'' universe)
*''[[Another Light]]'' - 7 part story from the 2015 OTFCC comic (includes Classicsverse refugees in the ''Shattered Glass'' universe)

Also of note is that, after "Crossing Over", Classics [[Cliffjumper (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Cliffjumper]] embarks on his own adventures in the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|''Shattered Glass'']] universe. On a similar note, the Classicsverse itself ceases to exist after [[Invasion (issue)|Invasion]] as the result of [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]'s interdimensional tampering, save for its version of Earth and anyone on it (which was transported into the ''Shattered Glass'' universe and is now orbiting ''Shattered Glass'' Cybertron).

==What counts as ''Classics''?==
[[File:UltimateBattleClassics.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
The term "Classics" is universally accepted and used by both fans and Hasbro, but it appears with surprising irregularity around the toys themselves. The first year of packaging only labeled them "Transformers" (with the tag line "Robots in Disguise" occasionally being mistaken for a secondary title), with "Classic" appearing solely as a prefix to some of the [[size class]]es, such as "Classic Deluxe" or "Classic Voyager".

On the other hand, the photo gallery of the toy line included on the ''[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle]]'' DVD invited its viewers to "check out all the awesome TRANSFORMERS Classics figures!". Furthermore, Hasbro's official Transformers website prominently featured the name "Classics" in multiple places at the time, including a "Transformers Classics" overview page. The accompanying toy list included almost all the toys listed above, explicitly identifying assortments such as "Classic Legends" and "Classic Mini-Con 3-packs" by name. The Hasbro website also featured a variation of the toy line logo that included the secondary title "Classic", which can also be found, of all places, on the bottom of the packaging for [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' versions of all the figures that originated from the US Classics line, just like those figures whose Hasbro counterparts were released under the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' toy line sport a small ''Transformers: Universe'' logo on the bottom of their packaging.

Some toys, such as the Magnus/Skywarp two-pack, have no "Classic" label at all. The one unifying factor was the distinctive design of the packaging, which spread to even the [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave re-release]]. This has become the commonly-accepted delineator of the ''Classics'' line, which brings the following toys into the fold even though they don't self-identify as such:

*Prime vs. Megatron Ultimate Battle set
*Magnus vs. Skywarp Battle for Autobot City set
*20th Anniversary Prime redeco
*Mini-Cons (the Mini-Con sets have been referred to as ''Classics'' toys on Hasbro's website, but not on the packaging)
*Toys "R" Us exclusive reissue Soundwave
*BotCon 2007 exclusives
*Pepsi Optimus Prime
*Optimus Prime & Ultra Magnus (Asian market exclusive two-pack, 2007)
*Jetfire & Grimlock (Asian market exclusive two-pack, 2007)
*Masterpiece Starscream Hasbro release

Complicating things further, ''Classics'' would later be subsumed by the relaunched ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' franchise (which also engulfed ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]''). The line replaced the defining ''Classics'' packaging style with the new ''Universe'' design. Only a small "Classic Series" label on their packaging maintained the connection to the previous ''Classics'' toys and separated them from other toys in the ''Universe'' line, labeled "Beast Wars Series", "Armada Series" or "Cybertron Series". However, as the line progressed, "Classic Series" was eventually replaced with "Generation 1 Series", which appears to have been simply an attempt at more consistent labeling.

The 2008 ''Universe'' toy line and the [[Transformers: Generations|2010 ''Generations'' toyline]] are sometimes informally referred to as Classics 2.0 and Classics 3.0.

==Notes==
[[File:Classics Soundwave.jpg|thumb|upright=1.33|And this is what you could have won...]]
*Several other toys were planned for ''Classics'', but never made it past the concept or prototype stage. Those include:
**Concept art for [[Cosmos (G1)#Notes|Cosmos]] was shown at [[BotCon 2006]]. The design was rejected because the higher-ups at [[Hasbro]] felt the [[alternate mode]] was too "boring". The art was later printed as part of the supplementary material in the ''[[The Transformers: Stormbringer|Stormbringer]]'' trade paperback collection. The design itself was later revisited for the "Cybertron Heroes" segment of the ''[[Titanium Series]]'', but ultimately never made it past the hardcopy prototype stage due to the cancellation of the ''Titanium Series''.
**A Voyager-sized [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Notes|Soundwave]] was first hinted in an alleged list of the tentative ''Classics'' line-up.<ref name="classicslineup">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/possible-transformers-classic-line-up-4336/ Rumor] about the ''Classics'' lineup that turned out to be spot on aside from Voyager Soundwave and Deluxe Optimus Prime.</ref> Years later, [[Don Figueroa]] unveiled his unused design artwork for an SUV-esque Soundwave.<ref name="donswave">[http://www.unicron.com/news_item/1132/ Don Figueroa, New Concept Art & comics news!]</ref>
**The aforementioned tentative line-up also listed a Deluxe-sized [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] without a trailer and a version ''with'' a trailer at the Voyager [[size class|price point]]; however, it appears the decision was eventually made to upscale Optimus to Voyager size instead.<ref name="sage">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/cybertron-crosswise-redeco-and-transformers-classics-info-4683/ "Cybertron Crosswise Redeco and Transformers Classics Info"] (via [[Joe Kyde]]'s proxy "SAGE2764")</ref> [[Don Figueroa]]'s [[control drawing]]s for the Deluxe version were leaked before the ''Classics'' line was even released at retail.<ref name="primecontrol">Leaked ''Classics'' Deluxe Optimus Prime control drawings: [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-design-sketch-4691/ Vehicle mode], [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-robot-mode-design-sketches-4692/ robot mode]</ref> A gray model [[prototype]] was later shown as part of an interview with [[TakaraTomy]]'s staff in ''[[Transformers Generations 2009#Volume 1|Transformers Generations 2009 vol. 1]]''.<ref name="ttinterview">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/general-articles-25/translated-version-of-the-takara-tomy-transformers-henkei--classics-staff-interview-167073/ Translated TakaraTomy Henkei/Classics staff interview]</ref> It's unclear whether the trailer ever made it past the early planning stage before the decision was made to uspscale Optimus to Voyager size.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Classics}}
[[Category:Classics| ]]
[[Category:Franchises]]
[[Category:Generation 1 franchises]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Transformers: Classics

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{{disambig3|Classics}}
<div class="center">[[File:TF Classics.png|550x250px|center]]</div> 

When the [[Transformers (film)|live-action ''Transformers'' film]] was pushed back from November 2006 to July 2007, [[Hasbro]] needed to create a filler line to bridge the gap in their product offerings. That bridge was a revisitation of the original "[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]" characters, dubbed '''''Transformers: Classics'''''. The line featured many original toy designs, as well as some [[Mini-Con]]s which were originally meant for the tail-end of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' line. A handful of [[redeco]]ed [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] figures rounded out the selection.

''Classics'' has a Japanese counterpart in ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'', and later gained spiritual successors in the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' line]], the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' line and the ''[[Reveal the Shield]]'' sub-segment of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' line]].

{{TOCclear}}

==Toys==
===Classic Legends===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fireflight (G1)#Classics|Fireflight]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Classics|Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Classics|Perceptor]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Trypticon (G1)#Classics|Trypticon]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#LOC|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#ClassicLegend|Jetfire]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Menasor (G1)#Classics|Menasor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Whirl (G1)#Classics|Autobot Whirl]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Cybertron Collection'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Classics|Hot Shot]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Classics|Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Classics|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (Cybertron)#Classics|Soundwave]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|}
{{-}}
===Mini-Cons===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Demolition Team]] ([[Broadside (Classics)#Toys|Broadside]], [[Sledge (Classics)#Toys|Sledge]], [[Wideload (Classics)#Toys|Wideload]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Dinobot (Classics)#Toys|Dinobots]] ([[Knockdown (Classics)#Toys|Knockdown]], [[Swoop (G1)/toys#Classics|Swoop]], [[Terrorsaur (Classics)#Toys|Terrorsaur]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Night Rescue Team]] ([[Divebomb (Classics)#Toys|Divebomb]], [[Firebot (Classics)#Toys|Firebot]], [[Strongarm (Classics)#Toys|Strongarm]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Clear Skies Team]] ([[Nightscream (Classics)#Toys|Nightscream]], [[Steel Wind#Toys|Steel Wind]], [[Thunderwing (Classics)#Toys|Thunderwing]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Dirt Digger Team]] ([[Dirt Rocket (Classics)|Dirt Rocket]], [[Grindor (Classics)|Grindor]], [[Oil Slick (Classics)|Oil Slick]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Predator Attack Team]] ([[Dreadwing (Classics)#Toys|Dreadwing]], [[Overbite (Classics)#Toys|Overbite]], [[Snarl (Classics)#Toys|Snarl]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:Class06-toy DirtRocket.jpg|200px|thumb|Dirt Rocket]]
|}
{{-}}
===Classic Deluxe===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Astrotrain (G1)#Classics 2|Astrotrain]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classics|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Rodimus]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Starscream]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Classics|Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Classics|Mirage]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Classics|Cliffjumper]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Ramjet]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Grimlockclassicstoy.jpg|thumb|200px|"Classic Deluxe" Grimlock]]
|}
{{-}}
===Classic Voyager===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Classics|Jetfire]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:ClassicsPrime Voyager.jpg|thumb|200px|"Classic Voyager" Optimus Prime]]
|}

{{-}}
===Miscellaneous===
[[File:Classicstoy ultimate battle megatron.jpg|200px|thumb|"Ultimate Battle" Megatron]]
:{{Bp-a1d1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UltimateBattle|Optimus Prime]] vs [[Megatron (G1)/toys#UltimateBattle|Megatron]]: The Ultimate Battle}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#20thDVD|Optimus Prime]] (20th Anniversary "DVD Edition")}}

{{-}}
===Exclusives===

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[BotCon 2007]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|"Games of Deception" set ([[Bug Bite (GoBots)#Timelines 2|Bug Bite]], [[Dirge (G1)/toys#Timelines|Dirge]], [[Dreadwind (G1)#Timelines|Dreadwind]], [[Thrust (G1)/toys#Timelines|Thrust]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Timelines|Thundercracker]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Timelines|Hologram Mirage]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Springer (G1)#Timelines|Springer]] & [[Huffer (G1)#Timelines|Huffer]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Alpha Trion (SG)#Toys|Alpha Trion]] w/ [[Beta Maxx (RID)#Toys|Beta Maxx]] & [[Weirdwolf (G1)#Timelines|Weirdwolf]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Hasbro Toy Shop]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#PepsiPrime2007|Pepsi Optimus Prime]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Target]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|"Battle for Autobot City" ([[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Classics|Ultra Magnus]] vs [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Skywarp]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Devastatorclassics.jpg|200px|thumb|Constructicon Devastator]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|"[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Edition]]" [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Classics|Soundwave]] (w/ [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Classics|Laserbeak]] & [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Battle Ravage]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Walmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Devastator (G1)#Classics 2|Constructicon Devastator]] ([[Bonecrusher (G1)#Classics 2|Bonecrusher]], [[Hightower (Classics)|Hightower]], [[Long Haul (G1)#Classics 2|Long Haul]], [[Scavenger (G1)#Classics 2|Scavenger]], [[Scrapper (G1)#Classics 2|Scrapper]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#MasterpieceUS|Masterpiece Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"The Ultimate Battle" set (w/ [[Giant Planet Mini-Con Team]])}}
|}

{{-}}
===Non-US market Hasbro releases===
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]]/[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] two-pack (Deluxe Bumblebee and Astrotrain on a new, shared cardback)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus]]/[[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] two-pack (Deluxe Rodimus and Starscream on a new, shared cardback)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] Twin Pack (Voyager Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus from the "Battle for Autobot City" two-pack in a new box similar to the Soundwave reissue)
*[[Jetfire (G1)/toys|Jetfire]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]] Twin Pack (Voyager Jetfire and Deluxe Grimlock in a new box similar to the Soundwave reissue)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (from the "Ultimate Battle" two-pack, on a new, individual cardback)
*[[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]] (from the "Ultimate Battle" two-pack, on a new, individual cardback)

==Fiction==
Although no cartoons or comic books were planned for the line by Hasbro, [[Fun Publications]] picked up the ball for their [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Official Transformers Fan Club Magazine comic]], making ''Classics'' the basis of their 2007 story-arc, "[[Crossing Over]]". The story uses the old [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US ''The Transformers'' comic]] as backstory, but disregards the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] material and the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comic]] that followed, taking things in a new direction instead. The ''Classics'' fiction has since been expanded by several exclusive on-line prose stories, single issue comics available through the club or at BotCon, and through Bios available on the club website or in the magazine.

A brief timeline of the ''Classics'' universe includes:
*"[[The New World]]" - online prose
*''[[Revelations Part 6|Revelations]]'' - 6 part story from 2006 OTFCC comic (only the very end takes place in the Classicverse)
*''[[Crossing Over]]'' - 6 part story from 2007 OTFCC comic
*"[[Games of Deception]]" - BotCon 2007 convention comic
*"[[Gone Too Far]]" - online prose (only the ending takes place in the Classicsverse)
*"[[Withered Hope]]" - online prose (only the epilogue takes place in the Classicverse)
*"[[Cheap Shots]]" - one-time comic special, available through the club
*"[[At Fight's End]]" - online prose
*"[[Invasion Prologue]]" - online comic prequel to the Botcon 2012 convention comic (featuring the TransTechs viewing the Classicsverse on a computer screen)
*"[[Invasion (issue)|Invasion]]" - BotCon 2012 convention comic
*''[[Beast Wars Shattered Glass]]'' - 6 part story from the 2013 OTFCC comic (features Classicverse refugees in the prehistoric era of the ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' universe)
*"[[Solar Requiem]]" - pack-in comic co-produced by Fun Publications and [[e-HOBBY]] (includes Classicsverse refugees in the ''Shattered Glass'' universe)
*''[[Another Light]]'' - 7 part story from the 2015 OTFCC comic (includes Classicsverse refugees in the ''Shattered Glass'' universe)

Also of note is that, after "Crossing Over", Classics [[Cliffjumper (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Cliffjumper]] embarks on his own adventures in the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|''Shattered Glass'']] universe. On a similar note, the Classicsverse itself ceases to exist after [[Invasion (issue)|Invasion]] as the result of [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]'s interdimensional tampering, save for its version of Earth and anyone on it (which was transported into the ''Shattered Glass'' universe and is now orbiting ''Shattered Glass'' Cybertron).

==What counts as ''Classics''?==
[[File:UltimateBattleClassics.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
The term "Classics" is universally accepted and used by both fans and Hasbro, but it appears with surprising irregularity around the toys themselves. The first year of packaging only labeled them "Transformers" (with the tag line "Robots in Disguise" occasionally being mistaken for a secondary title), with "Classic" appearing solely as a prefix to some of the [[size class]]es, such as "Classic Deluxe" or "Classic Voyager".

On the other hand, the photo gallery of the toy line included on the ''[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle]]'' DVD invited its viewers to "check out all the awesome TRANSFORMERS Classics figures!". Furthermore, Hasbro's official Transformers website prominently featured the name "Classics" in multiple places at the time, including a "Transformers Classics" overview page. The accompanying toy list included almost all the toys listed above, explicitly identifying assortments such as "Classic Legends" and "Classic Mini-Con 3-packs" by name. The Hasbro website also featured a variation of the toy line logo that included the secondary title "Classic", which can also be found, of all places, on the bottom of the packaging for [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' versions of all the figures that originated from the US Classics line, just like those figures whose Hasbro counterparts were released under the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' toy line sport a small ''Transformers: Universe'' logo on the bottom of their packaging.

Some toys, such as the Magnus/Skywarp two-pack, have no "Classic" label at all. The one unifying factor was the distinctive design of the packaging, which spread to even the [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave re-release]]. This has become the commonly-accepted delineator of the ''Classics'' line, which brings the following toys into the fold even though they don't self-identify as such:

*Prime vs. Megatron Ultimate Battle set
*Magnus vs. Skywarp Battle for Autobot City set
*20th Anniversary Prime redeco
*Mini-Cons (the Mini-Con sets have been referred to as ''Classics'' toys on Hasbro's website, but not on the packaging)
*Toys "R" Us exclusive reissue Soundwave
*BotCon 2007 exclusives
*Pepsi Optimus Prime
*Optimus Prime & Ultra Magnus (Asian market exclusive two-pack, 2007)
*Jetfire & Grimlock (Asian market exclusive two-pack, 2007)
*Masterpiece Starscream Hasbro release

Complicating things further, ''Classics'' would later be subsumed by the relaunched ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' franchise (which also engulfed ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]''). The line replaced the defining ''Classics'' packaging style with the new ''Universe'' design. Only a small "Classic Series" label on their packaging maintained the connection to the previous ''Classics'' toys and separated them from other toys in the ''Universe'' line, labeled "Beast Wars Series", "Armada Series" or "Cybertron Series". However, as the line progressed, "Classic Series" was eventually replaced with "Generation 1 Series", which appears to have been simply an attempt at more consistent labeling.

The 2008 ''Universe'' toy line and the [[Transformers: Generations|2010 ''Generations'' toyline]] are sometimes informally referred to as Classics 2.0 and Classics 3.0.

==Notes==
[[File:Classics Soundwave.jpg|thumb|upright=1.33|And this is what you could have won...]]
*Several other toys were planned for ''Classics'', but never made it past the concept or prototype stage. Those include:
**Concept art for [[Cosmos (G1)#Notes|Cosmos]] was shown at [[BotCon 2006]]. The design was rejected because the higher-ups at [[Hasbro]] felt the [[alternate mode]] was too "boring". The art was later printed as part of the supplementary material in the ''[[The Transformers: Stormbringer|Stormbringer]]'' trade paperback collection. The design itself was later revisited for the "Cybertron Heroes" segment of the ''[[Titanium Series]]'', but ultimately never made it past the hardcopy prototype stage due to the cancellation of the ''Titanium Series''.
**A Voyager-sized [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Notes|Soundwave]] was first hinted in an alleged list of the tentative ''Classics'' line-up.<ref name="classicslineup">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/possible-transformers-classic-line-up-4336/ Rumor] about the ''Classics'' lineup that turned out to be spot on aside from Voyager Soundwave and Deluxe Optimus Prime.</ref> Years later, [[Don Figueroa]] unveiled his unused design artwork for an SUV-esque Soundwave.<ref name="donswave">[http://www.unicron.com/news_item/1132/ Don Figueroa, New Concept Art & comics news!]</ref>
**The aforementioned tentative line-up also listed a Deluxe-sized [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] without a trailer and a version ''with'' a trailer at the Voyager [[size class|price point]]; however, it appears the decision was eventually made to upscale Optimus to Voyager size instead.<ref name="sage">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/cybertron-crosswise-redeco-and-transformers-classics-info-4683/ "Cybertron Crosswise Redeco and Transformers Classics Info"] (via [[Joe Kyde]]'s proxy "SAGE2764")</ref> [[Don Figueroa]]'s [[control drawing]]s for the Deluxe version were leaked before the ''Classics'' line was even released at retail.<ref name="primecontrol">Leaked ''Classics'' Deluxe Optimus Prime control drawings: [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-design-sketch-4691/ Vehicle mode], [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-robot-mode-design-sketches-4692/ robot mode]</ref> A gray model [[prototype]] was later shown as part of an interview with [[TakaraTomy]]'s staff in ''[[Transformers Generations 2009#Volume 1|Transformers Generations 2009 vol. 1]]''.<ref name="ttinterview">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/general-articles-25/translated-version-of-the-takara-tomy-transformers-henkei--classics-staff-interview-167073/ Translated TakaraTomy Henkei/Classics staff interview]</ref> It's unclear whether the trailer ever made it past the early planning stage before the decision was made to uspscale Optimus to Voyager size.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Classics}}
[[Category:Classics| ]]
[[Category:Franchises]]
[[Category:Generation 1 franchises]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Transformers: Classics

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{{disambig3|Classics}}
<div class="center">[[File:TF Classics.png|550x250px|center]]</div> 

When the [[Transformers (film)|live-action ''Transformers'' film]] was pushed back from November 2006 to July 2007, [[Hasbro]] needed to create a filler line to bridge the gap in their product offerings. That bridge was a revisitation of the original "[[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]]" characters, dubbed '''''Transformers: Classics'''''. The line featured many original toy designs, as well as some [[Mini-Con]]s which were originally meant for the tail-end of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' line. A handful of [[redeco]]ed [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] figures rounded out the selection.

''Classics'' has a Japanese counterpart in ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'', and later gained spiritual successors in the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' line]], the ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' line and the ''[[Reveal the Shield]]'' sub-segment of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' line]].

{{TOCclear}}

==Toys==
===Classic Legends===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Fireflight (G1)#Classics|Fireflight]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Classics|Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Perceptor (G1)/toys#Classics|Perceptor]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Trypticon (G1)#Classics|Trypticon]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#LOC|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#ClassicLegend|Jetfire]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Menasor (G1)#Classics|Menasor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Whirl (G1)#Classics|Autobot Whirl]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Cybertron Collection'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Classics|Hot Shot]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Lio Convoy#Classics|Leo Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Classics|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Soundwave (Cybertron)#Classics|Soundwave]]}}
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|}
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===Mini-Cons===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Demolition Team]] ([[Broadside (Classics)#Toys|Broadside]], [[Sledge (Classics)#Toys|Sledge]], [[Wideload (Classics)#Toys|Wideload]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Dinobot (Classics)#Toys|Dinobots]] ([[Knockdown (Classics)#Toys|Knockdown]], [[Swoop (G1)#Classics 2|Swoop]], [[Terrorsaur (Classics)#Toys|Terrorsaur]])}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Night Rescue Team]] ([[Divebomb (Classics)#Toys|Divebomb]], [[Firebot (Classics)#Toys|Firebot]], [[Strongarm (Classics)#Toys|Strongarm]])}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Clear Skies Team]] ([[Nightscream (Classics)#Toys|Nightscream]], [[Steel Wind#Toys|Steel Wind]], [[Thunderwing (Classics)#Toys|Thunderwing]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Dirt Digger Team]] ([[Dirt Rocket (Classics)|Dirt Rocket]], [[Grindor (Classics)|Grindor]], [[Oil Slick (Classics)|Oil Slick]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Predator Attack Team]] ([[Dreadwing (Classics)#Toys|Dreadwing]], [[Overbite (Classics)#Toys|Overbite]], [[Snarl (Classics)#Toys|Snarl]])}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|
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|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:Class06-toy DirtRocket.jpg|200px|thumb|Dirt Rocket]]
|}
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===Classic Deluxe===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Astrotrain (G1)#Classics 2|Astrotrain]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classics|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Rodimus]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Starscream]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Classics|Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Classics|Mirage]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Cliffjumper (G1)/toys#Classics|Cliffjumper]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Ramjet]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Grimlockclassicstoy.jpg|thumb|200px|"Classic Deluxe" Grimlock]]
|}
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===Classic Voyager===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
{{Bp-a1|[[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Classics|Jetfire]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:ClassicsPrime Voyager.jpg|thumb|200px|"Classic Voyager" Optimus Prime]]
|}

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===Miscellaneous===
[[File:Classicstoy ultimate battle megatron.jpg|200px|thumb|"Ultimate Battle" Megatron]]
:{{Bp-a1d1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UltimateBattle|Optimus Prime]] vs [[Megatron (G1)/toys#UltimateBattle|Megatron]]: The Ultimate Battle}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#20thDVD|Optimus Prime]] (20th Anniversary "DVD Edition")}}

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===Exclusives===

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[BotCon 2007]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|"Games of Deception" set ([[Bug Bite (GoBots)#Timelines 2|Bug Bite]], [[Dirge (G1)/toys#Timelines|Dirge]], [[Dreadwind (G1)#Timelines|Dreadwind]], [[Thrust (G1)/toys#Timelines|Thrust]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Timelines|Thundercracker]])}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"| 
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Mirage (G1)/toys#Timelines|Hologram Mirage]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Springer (G1)#Timelines|Springer]] & [[Huffer (G1)#Timelines|Huffer]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Alpha Trion (SG)#Toys|Alpha Trion]] w/ [[Beta Maxx (RID)#Toys|Beta Maxx]] & [[Weirdwolf (G1)#Timelines|Weirdwolf]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Hasbro Toy Shop]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#PepsiPrime2007|Pepsi Optimus Prime]]}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Target]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|"Battle for Autobot City" ([[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Classics|Ultra Magnus]] vs [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Skywarp]])}}
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|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:Devastatorclassics.jpg|200px|thumb|Constructicon Devastator]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|"[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Edition]]" [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Classics|Soundwave]] (w/ [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Classics|Laserbeak]] & [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Battle Ravage]])}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Walmart]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Devastator (G1)#Classics 2|Constructicon Devastator]] ([[Bonecrusher (G1)#Classics 2|Bonecrusher]], [[Hightower (Classics)|Hightower]], [[Long Haul (G1)#Classics 2|Long Haul]], [[Scavenger (G1)#Classics 2|Scavenger]], [[Scrapper (G1)#Classics 2|Scrapper]])}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#MasterpieceUS|Masterpiece Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|"The Ultimate Battle" set (w/ [[Giant Planet Mini-Con Team]])}}
|}

{{-}}
===Non-US market Hasbro releases===
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]]/[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] two-pack (Deluxe Bumblebee and Astrotrain on a new, shared cardback)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus]]/[[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] two-pack (Deluxe Rodimus and Starscream on a new, shared cardback)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] Twin Pack (Voyager Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus from the "Battle for Autobot City" two-pack in a new box similar to the Soundwave reissue)
*[[Jetfire (G1)/toys|Jetfire]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]] Twin Pack (Voyager Jetfire and Deluxe Grimlock in a new box similar to the Soundwave reissue)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (from the "Ultimate Battle" two-pack, on a new, individual cardback)
*[[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]] (from the "Ultimate Battle" two-pack, on a new, individual cardback)

==Fiction==
Although no cartoons or comic books were planned for the line by Hasbro, [[Fun Publications]] picked up the ball for their [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Official Transformers Fan Club Magazine comic]], making ''Classics'' the basis of their 2007 story-arc, "[[Crossing Over]]". The story uses the old [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US ''The Transformers'' comic]] as backstory, but disregards the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] material and the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comic]] that followed, taking things in a new direction instead. The ''Classics'' fiction has since been expanded by several exclusive on-line prose stories, single issue comics available through the club or at BotCon, and through Bios available on the club website or in the magazine.

A brief timeline of the ''Classics'' universe includes:
*"[[The New World]]" - online prose
*''[[Revelations Part 6|Revelations]]'' - 6 part story from 2006 OTFCC comic (only the very end takes place in the Classicverse)
*''[[Crossing Over]]'' - 6 part story from 2007 OTFCC comic
*"[[Games of Deception]]" - BotCon 2007 convention comic
*"[[Gone Too Far]]" - online prose (only the ending takes place in the Classicsverse)
*"[[Withered Hope]]" - online prose (only the epilogue takes place in the Classicverse)
*"[[Cheap Shots]]" - one-time comic special, available through the club
*"[[At Fight's End]]" - online prose
*"[[Invasion Prologue]]" - online comic prequel to the Botcon 2012 convention comic (featuring the TransTechs viewing the Classicsverse on a computer screen)
*"[[Invasion (issue)|Invasion]]" - BotCon 2012 convention comic
*''[[Beast Wars Shattered Glass]]'' - 6 part story from the 2013 OTFCC comic (features Classicverse refugees in the prehistoric era of the ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' universe)
*"[[Solar Requiem]]" - pack-in comic co-produced by Fun Publications and [[e-HOBBY]] (includes Classicsverse refugees in the ''Shattered Glass'' universe)
*''[[Another Light]]'' - 7 part story from the 2015 OTFCC comic (includes Classicsverse refugees in the ''Shattered Glass'' universe)

Also of note is that, after "Crossing Over", Classics [[Cliffjumper (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Cliffjumper]] embarks on his own adventures in the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|''Shattered Glass'']] universe. On a similar note, the Classicsverse itself ceases to exist after [[Invasion (issue)|Invasion]] as the result of [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]'s interdimensional tampering, save for its version of Earth and anyone on it (which was transported into the ''Shattered Glass'' universe and is now orbiting ''Shattered Glass'' Cybertron).

==What counts as ''Classics''?==
[[File:UltimateBattleClassics.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
The term "Classics" is universally accepted and used by both fans and Hasbro, but it appears with surprising irregularity around the toys themselves. The first year of packaging only labeled them "Transformers" (with the tag line "Robots in Disguise" occasionally being mistaken for a secondary title), with "Classic" appearing solely as a prefix to some of the [[size class]]es, such as "Classic Deluxe" or "Classic Voyager".

On the other hand, the photo gallery of the toy line included on the ''[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle]]'' DVD invited its viewers to "check out all the awesome TRANSFORMERS Classics figures!". Furthermore, Hasbro's official Transformers website prominently featured the name "Classics" in multiple places at the time, including a "Transformers Classics" overview page. The accompanying toy list included almost all the toys listed above, explicitly identifying assortments such as "Classic Legends" and "Classic Mini-Con 3-packs" by name. The Hasbro website also featured a variation of the toy line logo that included the secondary title "Classic", which can also be found, of all places, on the bottom of the packaging for [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' versions of all the figures that originated from the US Classics line, just like those figures whose Hasbro counterparts were released under the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' toy line sport a small ''Transformers: Universe'' logo on the bottom of their packaging.

Some toys, such as the Magnus/Skywarp two-pack, have no "Classic" label at all. The one unifying factor was the distinctive design of the packaging, which spread to even the [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave re-release]]. This has become the commonly-accepted delineator of the ''Classics'' line, which brings the following toys into the fold even though they don't self-identify as such:

*Prime vs. Megatron Ultimate Battle set
*Magnus vs. Skywarp Battle for Autobot City set
*20th Anniversary Prime redeco
*Mini-Cons (the Mini-Con sets have been referred to as ''Classics'' toys on Hasbro's website, but not on the packaging)
*Toys "R" Us exclusive reissue Soundwave
*BotCon 2007 exclusives
*Pepsi Optimus Prime
*Optimus Prime & Ultra Magnus (Asian market exclusive two-pack, 2007)
*Jetfire & Grimlock (Asian market exclusive two-pack, 2007)
*Masterpiece Starscream Hasbro release

Complicating things further, ''Classics'' would later be subsumed by the relaunched ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' franchise (which also engulfed ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]''). The line replaced the defining ''Classics'' packaging style with the new ''Universe'' design. Only a small "Classic Series" label on their packaging maintained the connection to the previous ''Classics'' toys and separated them from other toys in the ''Universe'' line, labeled "Beast Wars Series", "Armada Series" or "Cybertron Series". However, as the line progressed, "Classic Series" was eventually replaced with "Generation 1 Series", which appears to have been simply an attempt at more consistent labeling.

The 2008 ''Universe'' toy line and the [[Transformers: Generations|2010 ''Generations'' toyline]] are sometimes informally referred to as Classics 2.0 and Classics 3.0.

==Notes==
[[File:Classics Soundwave.jpg|thumb|upright=1.33|And this is what you could have won...]]
*Several other toys were planned for ''Classics'', but never made it past the concept or prototype stage. Those include:
**Concept art for [[Cosmos (G1)#Notes|Cosmos]] was shown at [[BotCon 2006]]. The design was rejected because the higher-ups at [[Hasbro]] felt the [[alternate mode]] was too "boring". The art was later printed as part of the supplementary material in the ''[[The Transformers: Stormbringer|Stormbringer]]'' trade paperback collection. The design itself was later revisited for the "Cybertron Heroes" segment of the ''[[Titanium Series]]'', but ultimately never made it past the hardcopy prototype stage due to the cancellation of the ''Titanium Series''.
**A Voyager-sized [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Notes|Soundwave]] was first hinted in an alleged list of the tentative ''Classics'' line-up.<ref name="classicslineup">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/possible-transformers-classic-line-up-4336/ Rumor] about the ''Classics'' lineup that turned out to be spot on aside from Voyager Soundwave and Deluxe Optimus Prime.</ref> Years later, [[Don Figueroa]] unveiled his unused design artwork for an SUV-esque Soundwave.<ref name="donswave">[http://www.unicron.com/news_item/1132/ Don Figueroa, New Concept Art & comics news!]</ref>
**The aforementioned tentative line-up also listed a Deluxe-sized [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] without a trailer and a version ''with'' a trailer at the Voyager [[size class|price point]]; however, it appears the decision was eventually made to upscale Optimus to Voyager size instead.<ref name="sage">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/cybertron-crosswise-redeco-and-transformers-classics-info-4683/ "Cybertron Crosswise Redeco and Transformers Classics Info"] (via [[Joe Kyde]]'s proxy "SAGE2764")</ref> [[Don Figueroa]]'s [[control drawing]]s for the Deluxe version were leaked before the ''Classics'' line was even released at retail.<ref name="primecontrol">Leaked ''Classics'' Deluxe Optimus Prime control drawings: [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-design-sketch-4691/ Vehicle mode], [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-robot-mode-design-sketches-4692/ robot mode]</ref> A gray model [[prototype]] was later shown as part of an interview with [[TakaraTomy]]'s staff in ''[[Transformers Generations 2009#Volume 1|Transformers Generations 2009 vol. 1]]''.<ref name="ttinterview">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/general-articles-25/translated-version-of-the-takara-tomy-transformers-henkei--classics-staff-interview-167073/ Translated TakaraTomy Henkei/Classics staff interview]</ref> It's unclear whether the trailer ever made it past the early planning stage before the decision was made to uspscale Optimus to Voyager size.

==Footnotes==
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[[Category:Generation 1 franchises]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Talk:Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)

2017-03-03T19:27:29Z

Fronkinsteen: /* Model Numbers */

== Coming Soon ==
Minor request, but is there a way we can group together the 'coming soon' toys? In lines where a lot of things are announced, it makes it extremely hard to read a page with that big banner ever two lines. - [[User:TFVanguard|TFVanguard]] 21:22, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

== Standardising ==
Most of the links on this page don't work, because they point to sections called ''Henkei! Henkei!'' within the character articles, but most (not all) those sections have since been changed to either ''Henkei! Henkei! Transformers'' (plural) or ''Henkei! Henkei! Transformer'' (singular).

Can we decide upon a standard, site-wide name for this line, so it says the same thing across all the characters' pages? 
My vote is for just whatever matches this page title - at the moment that's just ''Henkei! Henkei!''. -- [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 10:36, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
:"Henkei! Henkei!" matches our standard to leave out the "Transformers" part of toyline names, so yeah. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:21, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
::Shall which came in which wave be included?--[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:15, 17 November 2008 (EST)

== Urinal Contest Beginning ==
Okay, despite the fact that Takara is soliciting 'Cheetas' rather than 'Cheetus' on every single document they've shown with romanization on it, we're seeing the beginnings of an 'edit war' with Interro' and his insistance on using the TV Magazine Trading Card romanizations on ''every single Japanese TF reference'' despite their inaccuracy, no matter how stupid or inane the changes he's making are. Can ''someone'' make a declaration on this one? - [[User:TFVanguard|TFVanguard]] 12:50, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

==USA editions==
Are they technically part of ''Henkei! Henkei!?'' They don't come with manga (nor do they show up in the manga, as far as I know), and they're packaged in Hasbro's English-language ''Universe'' boxes with just a couple of stickers slapped on top. Of course the stickers are in Japanese, so I don't know if they say "Henkei" anywhere, but if they don't, then can we really consider them part of the same line? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:20, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:I'd say yes they do count, if only on the basis that they don't fit into any other Japanese line that's going, plus since they're simply more examples of Universe toys with more show-accurate redoecos, they're really exactly the same MO as Henkei, minus the Vac-metal. It's just too logical a fit.[[Special:Contributions/122.105.188.162|122.105.188.162]] 04:28, 29 January 2009 (EST)
::I understand all that, but it seems notable that Takara has made a distinction. It's not just the lack of vac-metal, it's also the fact that (as far as I know) the characters don't even appear in the Henkei! manga. There really seems to be a line in the sand there, and I'm not sure exactly how to deal with it. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:02, 29 January 2009 (EST)

==Vac-Metal==
Just wanted to explain my change to the intro. Seems to me that the reason for the vac-metallized parts is pretty obvious, actually: it's an homage to the chromed parts and weapons found in heaps of the G1 toys from the first year or so of the franchise. e.g. Most of the G1 Autobot cars from the first year-ish had chromed guns & missles, Prime's thighs, tanks, headlights, bumper and grill, Meg's upper body, the Dinobots' tails, wings, spikes and frills, Soundwave's crotch and eject buttons etc. Even some later characters like Springer's gun and sword hilt or Deathsaurus' beastmode chickzilla-head.

Now, granted, some of the ''applications'' of the vac-metal in Henkei seems gratuitious and inappropriate (hellooo Galvatron) and are clearly only there for the already-stated "line-wide commonality", but I think the overall reason for applying the concept to the line as a whole has a VERY clear inspiration. Thanks.[[Special:Contributions/122.105.188.162|122.105.188.162]] 04:28, 29 January 2009 (EST)
:Yeah, but that isn't funny. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:02, 29 January 2009 (EST)
::Neither was the original wording. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:02, 29 January 2009 (EST)
:::Exactly. It doesn't have to be funny. It's informative. Not to mention worth saying. The primary purpose of this wiki is information, not comedy. If you can do both, be my guest.[[Special:Contributions/122.105.188.162|122.105.188.162]] 08:10, 4 February 2009 (EST)

==Gentei==
Checking through Million's site on the mail-away exclusives, Electro Disruptor Ligier (or Clear Mirage for others) is packaged with "Gentei! Gentei!" rather than the usual "Henkei". [http://millionhero.jp/tfg2009/g03.html Million's page on Skids and Screech, plus ED Ligier in-package]. I'm wondering if we should move ED Ligier, and Ghost Starscream at that, to Gentei section instead of under just the Exclusive section. Heck, [http://millionhero.jp/tfg2009/g01.html this page] even uses "Gentei! Gentei!". --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 09:47, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

== Model Numbers ==

Can we have the model #'s reinstated on this page (C-01 to C-21, D-01 to D-07, etc.)? Not sure why they were removed...? 
Also, the new table formatting is very cluttered and hard to read - possibly consider going back to the straight-down list format?

Talk:Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)

2017-03-03T19:27:02Z

Fronkinsteen:

== Coming Soon ==
Minor request, but is there a way we can group together the 'coming soon' toys? In lines where a lot of things are announced, it makes it extremely hard to read a page with that big banner ever two lines. - [[User:TFVanguard|TFVanguard]] 21:22, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

== Standardising ==
Most of the links on this page don't work, because they point to sections called ''Henkei! Henkei!'' within the character articles, but most (not all) those sections have since been changed to either ''Henkei! Henkei! Transformers'' (plural) or ''Henkei! Henkei! Transformer'' (singular).

Can we decide upon a standard, site-wide name for this line, so it says the same thing across all the characters' pages? 
My vote is for just whatever matches this page title - at the moment that's just ''Henkei! Henkei!''. -- [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 10:36, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
:"Henkei! Henkei!" matches our standard to leave out the "Transformers" part of toyline names, so yeah. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:21, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
::Shall which came in which wave be included?--[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:15, 17 November 2008 (EST)

== Urinal Contest Beginning ==
Okay, despite the fact that Takara is soliciting 'Cheetas' rather than 'Cheetus' on every single document they've shown with romanization on it, we're seeing the beginnings of an 'edit war' with Interro' and his insistance on using the TV Magazine Trading Card romanizations on ''every single Japanese TF reference'' despite their inaccuracy, no matter how stupid or inane the changes he's making are. Can ''someone'' make a declaration on this one? - [[User:TFVanguard|TFVanguard]] 12:50, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

==USA editions==
Are they technically part of ''Henkei! Henkei!?'' They don't come with manga (nor do they show up in the manga, as far as I know), and they're packaged in Hasbro's English-language ''Universe'' boxes with just a couple of stickers slapped on top. Of course the stickers are in Japanese, so I don't know if they say "Henkei" anywhere, but if they don't, then can we really consider them part of the same line? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:20, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:I'd say yes they do count, if only on the basis that they don't fit into any other Japanese line that's going, plus since they're simply more examples of Universe toys with more show-accurate redoecos, they're really exactly the same MO as Henkei, minus the Vac-metal. It's just too logical a fit.[[Special:Contributions/122.105.188.162|122.105.188.162]] 04:28, 29 January 2009 (EST)
::I understand all that, but it seems notable that Takara has made a distinction. It's not just the lack of vac-metal, it's also the fact that (as far as I know) the characters don't even appear in the Henkei! manga. There really seems to be a line in the sand there, and I'm not sure exactly how to deal with it. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:02, 29 January 2009 (EST)

==Vac-Metal==
Just wanted to explain my change to the intro. Seems to me that the reason for the vac-metallized parts is pretty obvious, actually: it's an homage to the chromed parts and weapons found in heaps of the G1 toys from the first year or so of the franchise. e.g. Most of the G1 Autobot cars from the first year-ish had chromed guns & missles, Prime's thighs, tanks, headlights, bumper and grill, Meg's upper body, the Dinobots' tails, wings, spikes and frills, Soundwave's crotch and eject buttons etc. Even some later characters like Springer's gun and sword hilt or Deathsaurus' beastmode chickzilla-head.

Now, granted, some of the ''applications'' of the vac-metal in Henkei seems gratuitious and inappropriate (hellooo Galvatron) and are clearly only there for the already-stated "line-wide commonality", but I think the overall reason for applying the concept to the line as a whole has a VERY clear inspiration. Thanks.[[Special:Contributions/122.105.188.162|122.105.188.162]] 04:28, 29 January 2009 (EST)
:Yeah, but that isn't funny. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:02, 29 January 2009 (EST)
::Neither was the original wording. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:02, 29 January 2009 (EST)
:::Exactly. It doesn't have to be funny. It's informative. Not to mention worth saying. The primary purpose of this wiki is information, not comedy. If you can do both, be my guest.[[Special:Contributions/122.105.188.162|122.105.188.162]] 08:10, 4 February 2009 (EST)

==Gentei==
Checking through Million's site on the mail-away exclusives, Electro Disruptor Ligier (or Clear Mirage for others) is packaged with "Gentei! Gentei!" rather than the usual "Henkei". [http://millionhero.jp/tfg2009/g03.html Million's page on Skids and Screech, plus ED Ligier in-package]. I'm wondering if we should move ED Ligier, and Ghost Starscream at that, to Gentei section instead of under just the Exclusive section. Heck, [http://millionhero.jp/tfg2009/g01.html this page] even uses "Gentei! Gentei!". --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 09:47, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

== Model Numbers ==

Can we have the model #'s reinstated on this page (C-01 to C-21, D-01 to D-07, etc.)? Not sure why they were removed...?
Also, the new table formatting is very cluttered and hard to read - possibly consider going back to the straight-down list format?

Talk:Transformers United

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Fronkinsteen:

I'm gonna sound like an idiot for saying this, but are the actual retools (like Wheeljack) going to be released at any official outlet in the United States? [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 22:14, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
: Of course. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:15, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
::And so I should have included this in the first question, but where could I find out more info about where they will be sold when they are available? [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 09:08, 3 November 2010 (EDT)

After reading the 2 page comic I find myself asking: What continuity family is this? G1? Prime? Both? --[[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 16:17, 20 December 2010 (EST)
:Continuity is quite a lewd thing with G1. I haven't read any of the fiction but is this by chance its own continuity altogether? All I've seen is the toy commercial but.....I think it might just be its own continuity somehow....--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 16:58, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

== wrong Generations ==

The "Fiction" section links to http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Generations which is a book that predates the United franchise by more than a decivorn. (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Units_of_time) Is there ANOTHER "Transformers Generations" in need of its own page? A disambiguation page might be wise, too.
:I think that is supposed to be [[Transformers Generations 2011]]. And there already is a [[Generations (disambiguation)|disambiguation page]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:22, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
::Was going to change it, but did a little checking first. "[[A New Battle!]]" is said to be from ''[[Transformers Generations 2010]]'', while "[[The Fierce Fighting on Planet Nebulos]]" is listed as being in ''[[Transformers Generations 2011|Transformers Generations 2011 Volume 2]]''. Someone who knows about this will need to straighten out the link on this page, as I have no idea where it should be directed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:00, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== PCC redecos ==

Are we taking them as separate characters from the PCC guys or...? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:43, 18 April 2012 (EDT)
:With different names and such, I'd think they'd be consider different characters. Though, should they be given their own section of the page, since they're under the label "Transformers United EX"? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 13:53, 18 April 2012 (EDT)
::I took "EX" as their ID number, but I guess we have to wait and see. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

== Model Numbers ==

Can we have the model #'s reinstated on this page (UN-01 to UN-31, EX-xx, etc.)? Not sure why they were removed...?

Talk:Transformers: Generations (toyline)

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Fronkinsteen:

Can we get a source on Blurr coming in a future wave? I thought that was an April Fool's joke. --Anon, 10:42, 26 April 2010
:[http://www.parrygamepreserve.com/newsDetail.php?jID=1325 Parry Game Preserve's March Q&A answers]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:23, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

== War for Cybertron ==

I don't know how much this means, but if you click on "War for Cybertron toys" on Hasbro's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War for Cybertron] page it brings up the whole first wave of Generations. I doubt that this in itself pulls Drift and Thrust into the ''[[Transformers: Prime]]'' [[continuity family]], but I suppose there is a small chance that this is the direction Hasbro is going. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:05, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
: It means nothing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Launch Date ==

-Have the toys hit retail yet? I havn't seen them anywhere, but the page doesn't say Wave 1 is "scheduled for release" anymore.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 12:25, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
:One can order them on Walmart.com, thus why there isn't the 'scheduled for release' template for Wave 1. Looking forward to them being sold at actual stores. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:08, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::They ARE being sold at actual stores. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:32, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Depends on where you are. Around here (NC) stores tend to be about 2 months behind NY/CA in getting things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:51, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::::My local Walmart seems to have many Wave 4 ROTF Deluxe toys left. Back on topic; thank you, Blackout, for sharing. Looking forward to seeing them at stores in my neck of the woods. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:26, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 2 coming out?

Speaking of Wave 2, it seems to me that Drift and Thrust are not part of Wave 1. WFC Optimus and Bumblebee have been at stores for about a month, but I havn't seen the former two.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 12:12, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
: This is because Toys R Us got an advance WFC-only case to promote WFC when WFC came out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:26, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

-I think Dirge and Blurr will be released by this christmas, as they weren't included in Cybertroncon's "Spring 2011" transformers,but they didn't mention Reflector or Cliffjumper did they?
::Dirge and Blurr are being shipped by BigBadToyStore right now. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:05, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 5 coming out?

DESPERATELY SEEKING BLURR!! I've seen reportrs of people buying him in stores, but I havn't seen him anywhere. Are these reports true? I don't want to miss out on this guy.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 18:57, 27 November 2010 (EST)

——They sure are true, I've got Dirge, Blurr, Cliffjumper and Thunderwing, maybe it's just your location.

== Other "Generations-like" packaged toys ==

There's a bunch of toys that are in Generations-like packaging that don't say Generations on it: the new Seacons set, the dollar-store Classics Mini-Con redecos, the ROTF Activators (and probably other stuff I've forgotten). Should we place them under Generations here and in their individual articles? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:40, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Thanks for the total lack of comments, guys. Good hustle. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:57, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
::Just put them under the subtitle-less toyline. If they were meant to be in Generations, they would have it on their boxes. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:03, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Here's one - Masterpiece Grimlock is in a subtitle-less Generations style red packaging, but Hasbro's presentation slides (from Toy Fair, I believe) place him in Universe. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:25, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

== War for Cybertron toys ==

"* Clicking "War For Cybertron Toys" on Hasbro's [http://www2.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War For Cybertron] webpage brings up the whole "Generations" toyline. Looking for War For Cybertron toys? Here you go." It also brings up some PCC toys. Hasbro just loves messing with us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:41, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

== Kup ==
Is Kup confirmed enough for inclusion on the page? With the picture on the battle in space 2 pack, it seems compleatly comfirmed.--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 19:38, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not until it's officially announced. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 19:39, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Pretty sure he was officially announced at BotCon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:56, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Not really. They were vague in that Hasbro way at best. And it's not like G1 guys don't get fictional redesigns with frequency. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:32, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::I don't think going "cough cough KUP cough cough" in answer to "which guys coming out can you not talk about" in front of hundreds of people is vague at all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:47, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Well, I didn't know that. I suppose I'd wait until slightly more solid confirmation, but I guess I admit defeat for now. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:49, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I would suggest holding off on adding Kup until we're sure which toyline he'll be part of: Generations, Transformers (2010 toyline), or possibly something else (which most likely would be improbable since the main part of 2011 would focus on the third movie). Just want to spare everyone the trouble of cutting and pasting from one article to another like what was done for Special Ops Jazz and Turbo Tracks. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:09, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I agree with this. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:11, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

== Gen 2 Optimus Prime ==

I know that Gen 2 Optimus has been announced, but he wasn't declared a 'Generations' toy, was he? I know I listed him as such on the G1 Optimus Prime toy article, but there's a possibility that I might have jumped the gun (like what was done with Special Ops Jazz). That's why I removed him from the list on this article (after adding him the day before). Meanwhile, I'll leave the Prime toy page as is until there's verification. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 11:24, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:I hate how Hasbro is handling this! They have separate toylines and separate fictions, but the toylines don't match up to the fictions! ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why couldn't "Transformers" just be movie line figures and "Generations" non-movie line figures? (Sidebar- Why do retailers seem to think that movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie toys? OTHER than TFs and Star Wars EVERY movie line seems to clog shelves for years! The two Hulk toy lines were taking up tons of space on shelves right next to each other!) Okay, end of ranting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:32, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:: I would imagine that retailers think to seem Transformers movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie Transformers toys because they very very obviously are. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:51, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Especially after the huge demands for Transformers toys that lead to empty shelves in 2007. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 11:58, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Huh. Haven't noticed such a huge disparity around here. TFs have pretty much had the same shelf space since RID and have sold pretty steadily (except maybe Energon). The only real jump in shelf space was when Movie, Universe and Animated were running concurrently. Even then all sold well, with Movie having the largest proportion of shelfwarmers. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:55, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

== Shouldn't Tracks, Jazz et al at least get a mention in the article ==
I know Hasbro ain't exactly making this easy for us with their confusing brand nomenclature, but shoudn't we making it easy for ourselves? I know this is simlar to the Kup and G2 Prime points above, but we currently do know how Jazz and Tracks are coming. They are obviously CHUG in design, though not in brand. They deserve a mention in the article. I would do it myself right now, but the more anankastic among us would automatically click the undo button and I couldn't be arsed wasting the effort in that particular style of edit war. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 07:34, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
:No, not if they aren't ''Generations''. They are listed on the ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers]]'' page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:47, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
::Crockalley had added a note that was then edited by me to say "The [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers 2010 toyline]] contains several toys with a design aesthetic similar to the Generations line. This led to confusion when fan expectations were contradicted by official Hasbro announcements." Is there consensus to leave this note, remove it entirely or edit it? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:05, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I say leave the note as is. Having two toylines, both of which has G1-based characters in them, does cause confusion. Hopefully Hasbro will do be better job of seperating characters if they have future branching main toylines. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:50, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
::::And another batch of expected Generations figures is revealed as 2010 line instead. Any bets on how much longer this remains an ongoing line? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:14, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
::::: For as long as Hasbro wants to maximize shelf space. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:24, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

I know this doesn't belong on this page's talk page, but we haven't really got a grasp on HFTD or Reveal the Shiled sublines of the other line. And right now giving each of those lines their own category is as a good as a suggestion as any (i.e not much). The retailiers are doing better job than us on this point. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 16:12, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:Actually after reading the discussion on Lugnut's talk page, and the more the I think of it, is Generations any more of a separate line than HFTD or RTS? Wouldn't it make as much sense as to incorpoarte Generations under Transformers 2010? A bit like how Universe 2008 had G1 series, War Within series, G2 series etc etc 15:59, 4 November 2010 (EDT)
::No, because Generations has a different style of packaging. Universe '08 had the same packaging while denoting which era the toys came from. HFTD and RTS is only a promo. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 16:22, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

== United ==
-I want to know more about the relationship between Generations and the united toyline...Is Generations releasing Wheeljack and Kup like United, or is United releasing additional transformers. Besides, when is United being released?
: We don't have official solicitations from Hasbro about Wheeljack or Kup, but there is no doubt that we'll see them over here. Takara wouldn't make those toys on their own; it just doesn't happen. As for release dates, the preorder pages on BigBadToyStore and the like will tell you that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:19, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Difficulty bar note ==

What is that note about the difficulty bar trying to say? What is the difficulty bar for in lines that aren't all deluxes? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:14, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:Normally, the difficulty bar denotes the size of the toy rather than how difficult it is to convert the toy (or so has been my observation). If you take a look on the packaging of past toys (and on the packaging of the Transformers (2010) toyline), you'll notice that ''all'' the Deluxe-sized toys has a difficulty rating of 3, ''all'' the Voyager-class toys has a rating of 4, etc. However, Universe '08 Onslaught (an Ultra-size toy with a difficulty rating of 4) was a cinch to transform while TF (2010) Ironhide (a Deluxe-sized toy with a difficulty rating of 3) was a pain in the....neck to convert (especially with that chest piece you had to get just right and then you move him a little and it pops out! '''Argh!!!'''). But with the 'Generations' line, Hasbro was kind enough to have individual ratings for the toys (as noted in the article). Therefore, if it says Cybertronian Bumblebee is a 4th-level difficulty toy, I'm not as aggrevated and less compelled to break the toy in half out of frustration ("You knew the danger when you took it", as one feathered superhero used to say). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 08:45, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::Some 2010 Deluxes have difficulty ratings of 4 now. Maybe Hasbro is rationalizing things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:41, 30 November 2010 (EST)

== Arcee and others ==

There was an interesting article on TFW showing some possible figures.[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/generations-arcee-and-warpath-listed-171232/] Is this source good enough for those too be added?--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 00:29, 8 January 2011 (EST)
:The article simply mentioned some listings in Walmart's database, then went on to speculate. Sorry, but that's not enough in my book. Besides, we don't know which Warpath is being made into a Generations toy (G1 or Prime...or, though highly unlikely, Animated). As for Arcee, yes, it could be the G1 version since it's the Generations line, but Hasbro might throw us for a loop and come out with a Movieverse version of Arcee (despite one being released for 'ROTF' as well as Elita-One being part of the TF2010 line). Or, Arcee could be the 'Energon' version. Just be patient, gang, and we'll find out for sure soon enough. Until then, pray for a Generations version of Battletrap. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:02, 8 January 2011 (EST)
::I'd just like to pint out that computer listings can, have, and will change. We'd found computer listings for Alternators that never existed. BW Cackle was named "Kangaroo" when he rung up AT THE REGISTER, just as Mutant Razorclaw came up "Dinobite". So... yeah. Lot of variable that can easily change. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:36, 8 January 2011 (EST)
:::Can we protect this page or something? This is getting ridiculous. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:59, 9 January 2011 (EST)

== Warpath? ==

Why is he on there right now, has he been officially stated to be part of the line? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 04:31, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:At Toyfair, I believe. If not, I know he's been officially solicited to retailers. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:54, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::He was not mentioned at Toy Fair. <strike>We'd only officially know he exists due to Zobovor's Walmart computer listings, and we already know those are out of date because Arcee, Bumblebee, and Starscream are no longer Generations. Warpath should not yet be on this list.</strike> Durrrr, BBTS has him for preorder. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::BBTS pre-order is official enough for us to list, then? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:48, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::::I think so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:02, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Good show, thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 16:47, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Kaon Prisoner does not understand what waves are. ==

Wave 8 has only one toy: Warpath. THIS IS NOT A WAVE, WAVES CONSIST OF FOUR FIGURES, NOT ONE!!! So can I make a change? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 19:31, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
:No. That is a wave, Warpath is just the only new figure in it. The rest are figures from older waves. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:13, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
::I think it would be useful to include all of the toys included within a wave to the section, though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:26, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

No, 'cause it's only one toy on wave 8, that's not a wave, they should make three more. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:03, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

P.S. A wave is 4 figures, that's what I meant. Why don't you understand me? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:05, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
: A wave is not 4 figures. A wave has never ever ever been defined as 4 figures, except only by you, right now. A case of Deluxe Class toys has 8 figures, and the number of distinct toys in that case, new or old, can range from 1 to 8. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

About the title: I ''do'' know what waves are, thank you very much. '''''ALSO:''''' What about the others?! --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:11, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
:Wave 8's layout is as follows: One Scourge, one Kup, two Wheeljacks, two Thundercrackers and two Warpaths: [http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HT98452H] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

At [[User: ItsWalky]]: Not as a box, as a single figure, I have Generations Megs and Soundwave, it's four, not 8, you must be confused with [[Reveal The Shield]]. As in [[Rodimus vs. Cyclonus]]. So... logic dictates that you're an idiot. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:20, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Detour: No those are from other waves. Also way too many figures. Sigh. Look, it's only one figure! Currently. Or is it never, what with the Prime toyline rolling in? Also the caption is "That's it! We're done!" So that ''is'' it. They ''are'' done. ''THEY NO LONGER MAKING ANYMORE YOYS!!!!!!!'' --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:36, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
:You need to read the definition of a [[wave]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:40, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
::To clarify for Kaon Prisoner: A case contains 8 figures. Those eight figures make up a wave. They may be all the same or they may be eight different figures or some mixture. When the figures in a case change, that is a new wave. Often some figures from a previous wave will continue to be shipped in the new wave. Example: Wave 1 may contain 2 each of Figures A, B, C, and D. Wave 2 may contain 2 As, 2 Bs, 1C, 1D and two Figure Es. A, B, C, D and E are ALL Wave 2 figures but only Figure E is new. This is the situation with Warpath and the rest of Wave 8. A = Wheeljack, B = Thundercracker, C = Scourge, D = Kup and E = Warpath. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:49, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Khauis... Ah fuhgeddit... (and this is me quoting TRON:) I don't get it. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:00, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Also I've read the article on waves, thanks for the tip. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:06, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
:If you've read my explanation and the article on waves and still don't understand, then I don't know what to tell you to show you why you're mistaken. I would advise you that calling people idiots is not good behavior. Especially when one of them (ItsWalky) is an admin on this site. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:16, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Sorry about that. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 14:23, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== Hm. ==

They've not announced new figures. Strange.--[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:42, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:The Generations toyline has ran its course. It's now all about the DOTM line and the Transformers: Prime line (which is scheduled for sometime in October). This is the natural course of toylines nowadays. Check out the [[Subline imprint]] article (especially the 'Game Theory' subheading) for more information. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:55, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::Actually NO. Hasbro has insisted consistantly and just repeated at Botcon that Generations is not over and will continue at least through the end of the year. So his Hmm. Strange. Kinda stands. It may be they're still going to include Prime in Generations. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 22:10, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Even if they do more Generations figures later this year, it still is to be expected that there would be no new announcements about them right now. Right now, Hasbro's focus is on DOTM. Basically every release we will hear about for the next 3 months will be DOTM. So, no, that "strange" doesn't stand. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:30, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
:::We saw the packaging for Prime toys at BotCon. It isn't Generations packaging. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:12, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Do the Asian exclusives count towards the 40+ Generations toys mentioned at Toy Fair? [[Special:Contributions/90.192.94.240|90.192.94.240]] 08:43, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

:No. 1) 40+ are US releases, those are not, 2) those are 2012 releases, the 40 are for 2013.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 09:31, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== 2013 Generations at SDCC ==

First, Asian exclusives will come to US, at Toys R US:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/asian-import-exclusive-transformers-generations-hasbro-official-images-175484/

And voyager Grimlock is confirmed with a bunch of repains:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/2012-transformers-generations-official-hasbro-product-images-175488/

== Future toys ==

The page is missing Voyager Grimlock and Blaster. Also the Asian exclusives are coming to the U.S.

== Language on multilingual packaging on those Toys R Us exclusive legends ==

Does anybody know what language is on the multilingual packaging on those Toys R Us exclusive legends? Chinese? Japanese? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:18, 14 December 2012 (EST)
:Chinese.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:30, 14 December 2012 (EST)

== Asian retail exclusives continuity ==
Is it because these figures are imported from Asia that we consider the characters G1 as opposed to Prime? I mean they clearly look like G1, but I thought all future toys were part of an aligned continuity. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:46, 15 December 2012 (EST)
: I don't think it was said anywhere that "all future toys are part of Aligned." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:30, 15 December 2012 (EST)

== Japanese Generations Releases ==
So how is the wiki going to be handling listing these? I noticed the site is mostly void of mentioning the Japanese versions. The releases are mostly inline with what Hasbro is doing, but the number is different and obviously the figures are very different. Thanks! [[User:Poweredconvoy|poweredconvoy]] 20:38, 3 February 2013 (EST)

== Flanker and Payload ==

I know that they are based off of Blast Master and Sky High in appearance, but are we really going to put them under the toy sections for the G1 Sky High and Blast Master? There are already names for Flanker and Payload so why don't we just place the toys under the names they were given instead of the appearances they were based off of.

== Comic Pack release in Quebec ==

So, much like the Universe comic 2-packs, the "Thrilling 30" comic pack releases have seen release in Quebec and do not include the comic, the cardback instead featuring a bust crop of Orion Pax's cover for all figures. Should this be noted on every comic pack figure's article, or should it be noted here or in the [[Multilingual packaging]] article? Or all of the above? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:29, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

== Age of Extinction ==

The AOE character articles have their toys listed as Generations. Does that mean they're putting the AOE toys as part of the Generations line instead of a new toyline? Aren't movie toylines huge though? [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|Bioniclepluslotr]] ([[User talk:Bioniclepluslotr|talk]]) 14:47, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

== Air Raid Retool? ==

It says here that Air Raid is a retool of Skydive. That is not referenced on their individual sections and when you look at the figures beyond the legs which they share everything else looks new. Should this say partial retool perhaps? Extensive retool? Or something more specific? At the moment I think just retool is misleading. [[User:Mister Jazzz|Mister Jazz]] ([[User talk:Mister Jazzz|talk]]) 10:52, 3 January 2015 (EST)

== So where do we put Quickslinger and Brake-Neck? ==

Under "Combiner Wars" or under "exclusives"?

Also, should we maybe possibly reorganize the whole thing into three "phases" (2010-onwards, Fall of Cybertron/Thrilling 30, the later with a FOC/T30 subdivision for the mass retail releases, and Combiner Wars), with exclusives listed as part of these phases? An entire "exclusives" list separate from everything else doesn't make much sense to me at this point.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 09:00, 2 April 2015 (EDT)
:Yeah, I'd been considering splitting up the exclusives too. They all divide up nicely based on the Generations logo used. My only concern would be that that could lead to some very deeply nested sub-headings, which always look a bit daft... [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:57, 2 April 2015 (EDT)
::Well, I seriously doubt we need separate sub-headings for exclusive Bruticus, Metroplex and the Ultimate Gift Set. When each sub-heading has one entry, the sub-headings become kinda pointless really. Plus, HTS/SDCC/ACGHK Metroplex isn't actually Generations, is he? Unlike the mass retail version, the exclusive version doesn't have the "Generations" logo anywhere on its packaging or instructions. I gave the site an overhaul; please let me know if it's okay in its new form.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 15:54, 6 April 2015 (EDT)
:::Looks good. Not sure about the "Phase X" bits in the headers, though, since it could give the false impression that that's terminology Hasbro themselves have used. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:07, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

== Possibly Offensive Caption ==

Couldn't the Windblade caption on this page be seen as offensive? I've seen similar cases (Animated Drag Strip, Masterforce Overlord) and they were changed. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 11:56, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
: What strikes me about the caption mostly is that it isn't really very true. Red/black VTOL jet, sure, but Windblade is pretty visually distinct. My personal feeling is that the caption isn't portraying "gender-swapping" as the butt of a joke, nor is it using terminology that I understand to be offensive. I had to dig into the history to find out what captions removed from the pages you mentioned, and they were both captions that used questionable words and targets for humor. This one is not like those, as far as I am competent to understand. So I personally don't see a problem with it. But if someone does have a problem with it, versus worrying someone else might have a problem with it, I'm super fine with ditching it. It's not a great caption anyway. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:30, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
Okay. Thanks. I will leave it for now, then. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 14:56, 15 April 2015 (EDT)

== On the subject of listing the comics ==

I've seen multiple instances of people being referred to this article upon asking the reading order for the pack-in comics, so I'd throw a vote behind keeping them listed here. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:11, 23 August 2015 (EDT)

== Model Numbers ==

Can we have the model #'s reinstated for the Japanese releases (TG-01 to TG-33)? Not sure why they were removed...?

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YOU WOULD ROB US OF OUR MYSTERIES!

Dumping everything written was not required, unless Wikipedia automatically saves what I have written somewhere.

==Autobot Officer==

Uh. Oopsies? Didn't know you were getting pics, too. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Americanised spelling ==
Hi there, PacifistPrime the originator of the [[Scale]] article here. Thanks for cleaning up some of the typos. However, is it really neccessary to "correct" all my spelling by changing it to Americanised spelling? Is there actually a rule here that one has to use American spelling instead of, well... to be frank: the way the rest of world's users of the English Language spell? No offence intended, just asking. Let me know. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:I would think "yes", since this is an Amerocentric wiki and consistency looks professional. I don't realistically believe we'll ever achieve that because there are too many people from too many regions contributing, and further there are a lot of variations in how people type regardless of what area they're from. I can't stand putting two spaces between sentences, but I wouldn't be offended if someone changed a page I worked on to use them. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==What edit are you talking about?==
If you're talking about my submission about Blackarachnia's telekinesis, it is NOT baseless speculation; she did use telekinesis in Master Blaster against Rampage, and although they never said where she got it, it is very likely that the psychic link she had with Tarantulas was upgraded during her Transmetalization. Watch the episode; you'll see Blackarachnia's eyes glow green, levitate an I-beam, and fling it at Rampage. The episode was right after Crossing the Rubicon (where Blackarachnia became a TM2), and 18 episodes after Tangled Web, when Blackarachnia forced Tarantulas to terminate their mind link after four episodes (and in case you want to contest it, Other Visits made a mention of the mind link, and how it worked both ways, meaning that BA had some remnants of the link, at the very least some of Tarantulas' memories, if not some other side effects).[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 15:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not Sipher, but I agree that it's speculation that doesn't belong here. Her glowing eyes echo the glowing tendrils involved in Cheetor's TM2-ification. It's a Transmetal 2 thing, and I see nothing whatsoever to connect it with the former mental link she shared with Tarantulas. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Beast Wars Video Game ==

Hey Siph- I finally picked up a copy of the BW Game off e-bay (the original snap I made was from the demo.)

I'm nto very far into it (finding time this summer is tough) but thus far there's been no mention of the Skriix. Were they named in the game booklet or something? ('cuz i lack the booklet.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
: I'm trying to remember WHERE they were named. It might have been promotional materials. It's not in the booklet, I know that... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I theeeeeenk it might've been in one of the pre-mission "briefings" that came up before you started each level. Level... three, I want to say? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, then I just haven't played it enough to get that info. Thanks!
:::Was there anything of value at all in the booklet that I'm missing out on? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

ok, but what about those pages that are wanted?

you can't say a whole lot about say the third episode of Five Faces of Darkness can you?

other than that, what do you think of my wording?

and btw, theres a weird random page about weather in london but wasn't deleted, joke I'm not aware of maybe?
--[[User:DracoJesi|DracoJesi]] 18:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload issues==
Are you having any problems with image uploads? For some reason the wiki isn't uploading my images onto the server. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Twirl toy image==
Can you upload a photo of her robot and vehicle modes? Preferably against a 'neutral' background to fit with the rest of the toy pics. She is too awesome to go without toy photos, methinks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==Megatron's Brazilian Voice Actor==
Howdy ho! Hey, you said that the information about Megatron's voice actor in the film was on the wrong place when i put it on his page.
Where would be the right place?
I was thinking that maybe if i mentioned that José Santacruz plays a REALLY monstrous Megs, much similar to the one Hugo Weaving did, maybe it could go where i originally intended?
Thanks for the time.--[[User:akumateukuma|akumateukuma]] 11:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Rartorata==
I don't really appreciate the "fuck you" in your edit summary, Siph. After the last round of discussion in October I thought -- due to lack of voiced disagreement -- that the names were going to be toned down to just ones that sound at least slightly like his real name, which personally I consider quite important. I reverted an anonymous change to the article which went against that "rule", and now you're cursing me out. That is quite uncool. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Create-A-Bot's Alt-modes==

I'm currently reworking the format and putting it in a more relevant form. It's not that it isn't important, but that the method in which it was added was inappropriate. I believe the original version went something like this.

"Just like his heroic counterpart, Create-A-Bot can adapt into numerous forms that can change his status, but several of his forms cannot be accessed in the game, but can be obtained by WiFi points by visiting the official Activition website. The altmodes are..."

and then listed them in a long and hard to read cluster. This not only is confusing, but also give the impression that ALL of the alt-modes have to be unlocked. So, instead of having a list, I am going to add an easier to read section in each article.

- ''Update'': The sections have been finished and added. Sorry about before, I guess I just forgot to leave a message on the Discussion page about it. -- [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Prowl Redirect ==

The wiki's lack of warning strikes again. I have made certain to preview every edit I do, looking for a warning that I'm editing an outdated version of the page. While I was making that edit, you redirected the page. When I previewed my edit, it gave no warning that anything had changed, so I submitted it—which undid the move. At least the new redirect included my clean-up...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Robot Heroes ==

There are clear packaging pics of all that are on TFW2005 (I think, I went from Seibertron.com). Not sure where from, but it isn't like they've been secretly leaked to me.

[[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

: So... stolen. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's some links, right here

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=161976

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=8828&dispsize=800&start=0

http://seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12219

Anyone and their mother can see them. I see nowhere that they've been stolen and find it hard to believe Hasbro wouldn't have seen the pics after a day or two, considering Stealth Bumblebee. We've seen Cheetor, Rattrap, and Megatron before anyway. I'm leaving them there. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:We've seen them because they were ''stooooooooooooooolen''. They have ''noooot'' been officially announced by Hasbro or any official sales solicitations anywhere. Therefore, they are not to be put on this wiki until they are. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

We saw the prototypes (Not Blackarachnia) months ago. They've been on this Wiki with the exception of Blackarachnia for months. If I absolutly cannot add her and the confirmed lineups, I will change it back to the way it was before. The protos have been and still are available for the rest and have been for months. I think, THINK they were from Botcon, but I'm unsure. Comic-Con? [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, several were shown at Botcon 2007; maybe at Comic-Con too, I dunno. But for the ones that weren't, our own policy (specifically [[Help:Coming_soon]] ) means we need to leave them alone until there's something official. Without a hard and fast policy, there's no fair way to declare what should and shouldn't be here when gray areas arise. Besides which, we're not trying to be a news site. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that a good compromise? There is no info there that seems unacceptable to me. I apologize for getting off on the wrong foot. The article on Smash Bros. Brawl on Wikipedia has made me defensive. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 03:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==You don't get to annoy and rule-break your way back to good graces.==
Unless you're me, that is. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

==Weird bootleg minicons==
Are you still looking for the various KO minicons? A store by me has the purple/yellow Star Saber team, the constructicon-esque Military team, and the weird combining remolds, if you're still interested. Also, they have inexplicably huge amounts of WCW Nitro cologne. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Anchors==
Have you noticed that each anchor line inserts a new blank line into the page formatting? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:I see four choices: 1) accept the extra blank formatting line, 2) put the anchors at the end of the last line of the preceding section, 3) dirty up the code by replacing the blank formatting lines with the anchor template lines, or 4) put the anchor code at the end of the "title" section it anchors to, which may result in the page link manifesting with its section title scrolled off the screen. For OP G1, for the purposes of getting my Stormbringer trivia edit in, I'm going with 2, for now. I'll fix it when we've got a decision. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 03:15, 14 February 2008 (EST)

== Telemocha episodes ==

Let's see,
:TM-01 Primal: 02
:TM-02 Megatron: 04
:TM-03 Cheetor: 05
:TM-04 Waspinator: 06
:TM-05 Dinobot: 09
:TM-06 Blackarachnia: 10
:TM-07 Corada: 11
:TM-08 Arcadis: 20
:TM-09 Rhinox: 03
:TM-10 Wolfang: 08
:TM-11 Tigatron: 07
:TM-12 Gimlet: 12
:TM-13 Motorarm: 21
:TM-SP Primal: 01 & 15
:TM-SP Megatron: 13 & 14

So far, that's episodes 1-15, 20, and 21 --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

== New Mini-Con ==

Just a heads-up: If you haven't heard yet, there's another Mini-Con/Micron store exclusive due from Japan. Starting March 13, the first 10 customers to buy J-release TF Classics toys at any Toys "R" Us get a free Skyglide, a red recolor of Steelwind from the Clear Skies Team, probably meant to homage Powerglide. (This is from ''Figure King'' #121, according to Autobase Aichi. I don't think there are any images in the article.) I'm not sure where this info should be put into the wiki. There doesn't seem to be enough info to set up an article of its own yet. A "coming soon" notice on the main Mini-Con page until we know more, maybe?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Mech Version ==

I tried a Google search and didn't find anything right off. I DID find Yahoo Japan auction listings which listed it in kana as メッキ, which is definitely "chromed" and not "mech". Point me to the site, please?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
: That's the kana on TakaraTomy's page for the set http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/other/index.html ... but isn't that kana "Meh-(shorten next)-ki"? "Mech"? Wouldn't "chromed" be an entirely different set of kana? The ones used for "Chromebite"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::No. Check it out by copy-pasting the katakana into the translation box at Jim Breen's. While クローム isn't unknown in Japan (Heck, it's what they call Stylor), the general term for chrome-plated parts is メッキ. (Technically, it's 鍍金 or 滅金, but perhaps because those can also be pronounced "tokin" and mean "pretense", it's usually rendered in katakana.) I first figured that by seeing it used in instructions for snap-together model kits which included such pieces. "Mech" is usually rendered メカ, as in short for "mechanism".--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Heroes of Cybertron Cat? ==

Hey, are you going to populate a Heroes of Cybertron category? Dirge currently is all alone there, and I was about to delete the cat from his page to help clean up the Wanted Cats page. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
: Why the fuck would you delete it? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: First of all, I'm here to discuss the matter ''before'' I do anything rash, so I don't think I deserve the swearing. Chill.
:: Second of all, I considered deleting the link to the cat because the cat doesn't exist, and there's no demonstrable desire for it to exist, as shown by the fact that there's only one article in it.
:: But, third, if you were intending to fill out the category, so that it reaches the minimum number of entries we require to justify a category, I fully support you in that. I'm just asking if that's your plan, or if you expect other people to take care of it. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==this may sound awkward...==
r u a guy or a girl? if it says anywhere on ur talk page, i just kinda skimmed thru it.i always assumed u were a girl, but decided not 2 call u 1. if u know what happened last time [[User:Inferno'sQueen|someone's]] gender was mistaken. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 20:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
: Yes, he is a girl. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::You can tell by Sipher's pink armor plating.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:If he's a girl, then he's in serious need of [[Greg Sepelak|electrolysis]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== "lay odds?" ==

what odds? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:y'know, ya still haven't answered the question..[[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::And yet by pestering him, ''you'' have.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:::huh? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 19:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Soundwave edits by 143.239.7.2 ==

Okay, the whole Gurren Lagan/gattai history business is drawing parallels that are either speculative or outside the intended scope of the wiki. (A note might be made somewhere of Soundwave's combining method, though. Is it unique within TF lore?) However, why excise the directly TF-related material—i.e., noting the homages to the original Soundwave?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's the section Sipher removed due to (as I believe he put it) being "blatantly obvious."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

==Scourge Edit==

That's the second time that my trivia post for RiD Scourge was deleted. It's a valid point, and I dunno why you guys are refusing to allow it, especially since there seems to be no qualms on here with making tranny jokes about Override or Airazor. Kind of hypocritical, ne?
[[User:64.13.101.210|64.13.101.210]] 23:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
: No, not at all. Because Airazor and Override did legitimately, officially change genders in translation. Scourge... drumroll... ''has always been male, and has never ever ever been officially hinted as having the remotest female whatever ever''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, I'm spamming ==

Canvassing a few talkpages here so we can get folks to weigh in and finalize the potential Wiki image policy. Your input would be appreciated at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Images]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== blocking help ==

Lets just say a acount has been blocked, and I cant even edit my talk page. Could you
tell me whats up. [[User:F1 fan|F1 fan]] 04:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== Please Provide More Details ==
...as to why you removed the army building reference in the Starscream clone article. A simple rephrasing could have eliminated any problems you have with the word "Clearly". I dont mean to seem bitchy/pushy, but I really think that it was a good contribution to the article. [[Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)]] --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

==Ironhide==
I read your thing about Botcon, very interesting. But the chances that Ironhide's southern accent doesn't originate from Cullen's are very low indeed. If you listen to the two voices, Ironhide's voice in Animated has a slightly different style. The most likely explanation is that the idea of the accent was taken from Cullen's 'Hide, while the sound of the accent was modelled on the other guys. And both should be noted in page. Something like "The idea of a southern accent is most likely based on G1 Ironhide, however the particular variant/vernacular(whatever) is based on such and such". [[User:GWolfv2]] 19.20 May 31st
: No. I'm goddamn sick of over-reaching desperate "THIS MUST BE GEEWUN REFERENCE". Especially when we're talking about an analogue to a G1 character... at BEST, it's "no shit, Sherlock" (you mean a guy based on G1 Ironhide has slightly-G1-Ironhide-like traits?! NOOO!), at worst, it's a desperate grab for a non-reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh...well, I said my piece...nice to know you're keeping your head and not getting worked up over nothing btw [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.01 May 31st
:::Nice to know you're supporting the spread of idiotic misinformation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

As the only staff member online at the moment as far as I know, can you make a decision about the latest Animated episode's title? We have two separate groups of editors working on two different articles for this episode. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:31, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Original photo watermark ==

Hey, I'm working on finishing cleaning up the Magmatron photos I took before the crash. Do you still have that TFWiki watermark template handy?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:07, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

for fixing up the Stormbringer description I did. I think my original edit summary was lost, but I had basically only done that because I thought it was important in explaining why Optimus got over feeling unworthy - and you summed it up a lot better than I ever could.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:38, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

==Yo==
[[Image_talk:Alt-toy_AiKuruma.jpg]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:48, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Vandalism warning ==

Guess who's back. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:42, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Awesome job, man. ==
{{gigantionaward}}
Really love the style you're doing the Micromaster Combiner toy photos in. Nicely done.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:22, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
: I concur. I think you deserve one of those prizes for services to the wiki. Excellent, excellent work. Keep it up! 08:10, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, I proposed the TFWiki Funbux as our official monetary reward. I too concur on a great you did. I especially like how you indication which half is which character in the combined vehicle pics. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:35, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I actually made what amounts to a TFWiki "barnstar" once. And yep, Siph deserves it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 09:13, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Showdown translations==
Hey, Sipher. Just to save you time and a headache, I already translated the Showdown names, they're at [[Japanese ID number list#Beast Wars]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:01, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Linkage ==

I just wanted to thank you for going in and adding the megadata (like pub data) to the Linkage articles... I was trying to figure out when it was published yesterday, and I had to go back to some of your original ''usenet'' posts to confirm it spanned 2003 and 2004. (I suspected it did... but you know... that's not the same as being sure.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

BTW, I'm curious as to why you have them as <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 3]]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 6]]</nowiki>, and such, because that makes me think we'll be directing to the DVDs themselves... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:33, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
:Because we ''will'' be, like I said when I reverted them? The individual DVDs totally should have their own articles. I think it's stupid to NOT have articles on the individual home releases of whatever. If we have articles on trade paperbacks, we should have articles on the home videos. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::Ah. My bad. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 05:33, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

[http://members.fortunecity.com/msipher/transform/linkage/linkage.html Your site], linked from the [[Linkage (comic)|Linkage articles]], seems to be down/gone. Is there an alternate? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 14:48, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

== Hey, ==

Is "Image:PsychoOrb-toy.jpg" one of yours? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:46, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:Yes. I actually have a shadowless, watermarked version of that... and several others... that I just haven't gotten around to uploading. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:35, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== IDW Dates ==

To answer your question... while the solicitations of course give an idea of what will come out at ''some'' point during a month, usually we only get one month's worth of specific dates around the end of the previous month/beginning of that month via Tipton's blog and IDW's newsletter.

...so I guess the short answer is "no, we don't have specific dates for December or January stuff yet". Although we should get November's dates soon. I guess we could put in question-marked placeholders based on the solicitations... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:27, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Returns airdates ==

[http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html The site] Jon T referred me to had all the listings and from what I could tell going by the months I know the show premiered in Japan, plus the consistency between the airdates, it all looks legit to me. So I scrolled through each month, matched up the Japanese titles with the ones on this site to make sure the Japanese and Western episode orders were the same, and here are all the original Japanese airdates for the series:

*The Reformatting 2004/11/ 6
*Master of the House 2004/11/ 7
*Fires of the Past 2004/11/13
*Mercenary Pursuits 2004/11/14
*Forbidden Fruit 2004/11/20
*The Weak Component 2004/11/21
*Revelations Part I: Discovery 2004/11/27
*Revelations Part II: Descent 2004/11/28
*Revelations Part III: Apocalypse 2004/12/ 4
*Survivor 2004/12/ 5
*The Key 2004/12/11
*The Catalyst 2004/12/12
*End of the Line 2004/12/18
*Fallout 2004/12/19
*Savage Noble 2004/12/25
*Prometheus Unbound 2004/12/26
*In Darkest Knight 2005/ 1/ 1
*A Wolf in the Fold 2005/ 1/ 2
*Home Soil 2005/ 1/ 8
*Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike 2005/ 1/ 9
*Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search 2005/ 1/15
*Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege 2005/ 1/16
*Spark of Darkness 2005/ 1/22
*Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral 2005/ 1/23
*Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall 2005/ 1/29
*Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future 2005/ 1/30

Have at them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:19, 19 December 2009 (EST)

==Kiss Purge==
Good show on the Kiss Player == HORRIBLE purge. Some people (read: most people) don't seem to understand restraint.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:54, 2 March 2010 (EST)

==FemTF article==
Ehrm, sorry if I am being pushy, but some time ago you said you wanted to take a look at what you could improve on [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|my draft XXL]] for a new femTF page. I'll have finished up education duties in about a week and would like to continue and finally be done with the damn thing, so if it's possible you can take a look at it by then/around that time, I'd be really grateful. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:41, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

== Pst ==

There's a link to "Mass delete" at the bottom of the list of [[Special:Specialpages]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Edits ==

So overall, I saw several minor adjustments to the pages I made today, and I've noted them for any pages I make in the future. I didn't see any major revisions, though. Are the pages I did mostly okay, as long as I keep an eye out for the things you had to come behind me and fix? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 23:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

== Crankstart and suffering... ==

http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Crankstart&diff=prev&oldid=461445

*retires to a safe distance* :p - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 22:51, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
: [[Transformers_Wiki:Caption#Captions_and_jokes_we.27re_sick_of]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:04, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

== Silas and meltdown ==

The MECH agent piloting the helicopter outright said that the D.N.G.S. didn't meltdown after Prime's trailer was destroyed by the Vehicons. So Silas does know about the meltdown thing. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:22, 5 March 2011 (EST)
:There's a world of difference between knowing a radioactive thing will meltdown and knowing that it would be a ''five-state'' meltdown. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:28, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Congrats ==

You nabbed my obvious sock.

And ''only'' my obvious sock. The not-so-obvious one is still out there, waiting to be found.....

-Blackout-

==Divebomb==
Naw, that's Space Case again. You can ''juuust'' see the blue snakeskin grid deco alongside his cockpit. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:13, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

==Khon==
In "Dungeons & Dinobots", would Khon be a new location or a typo of Kaon? (P.S., please say the former) [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 10:05, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== ... ==

What constant steam of negativity? <strike>And a death ray is really negative!!</strike> [[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 12:05, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

== Spam ==

Does [[User talk:Dynamic|THIS]] count as Spam?--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 13:18, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

==Albitron==
You wouldn't happen to know what magazines MiB advertised Albitron and Swoop in, would you? Tracking those down to get scans of them seems like something to do. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 19:15, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

== Power Core Combiners ==

Just a shout out, I love your PCC fig pics, they look awesome! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 11:05, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:On [[Heavytread (PCC)|Heavytread]], the prehistoric comment was a joke in reference to his instrux pairing him up with the dinobots limbs.[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 00:51, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

== Quizno's Talking Oven... ==

I totally agree with your opinion on that commercial. [[Special:Contributions/50.36.116.49|50.36.116.49]] 14:51, 12 December 2011 (EST)

== Woah woah woah, why revert my "Minicon" edits? ==

In the Aligned universe the spelling for the word is "Minicon" rather than "Mini-Con" why would you undo all that since we have EVIDENCE presented in the novels of the spelling? It's the same thing as "Dino" vs "Mirage" for the specific forms of fiction. It's changed as it is presented, and in this case "Minicon" is the correct one. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 20:44, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:Because we've had misparsed words showing in official TF side-items for many years (BlackArachnia, anyone?), and frankly, I don't trust Alex Irvine to get anything right. The odds of the spelling showing up on Hasbro packaging as "Minicon" are pretty low, and until we see Hasbro PROEPER use it consistently, then we're going with what Hasbro PROPER has used. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:51, 2 February 2012 (EST)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for banning that asshat. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 11:26, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

== Darkness Rising, Part 5 ==
Why did the edit about Miko and Soundwave taking pictures of each other get reverted? I'm not raging, just asking so I should know what to post and what not to post under References. [[Special:Contributions/78.128.95.132|78.128.95.132]] 18:27, 8 August 2012 (EDT)
: Because that was not a reference. That was a coincidence. Not all similarities are references. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 8 August 2012 (EDT)

==Arc caption==
Was the joke unclear? Because in either case, I don't particularly favor the femmephobic joke you put there. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:"Femmephobic"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:30, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::There's a thing called Google. But it comes down to lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women, because it's seen as inferior. This wiki is way past just pointing out stereotypes - it's actively participating in femmephobia with its propensity for remarks about the color pink (among mány other things). In particular, *I* hate pink jokes around TFP Arcee, and therefore also Arc, because Arcee's usual color was not altered for her, but for Jack, so he would not be lowered for associating with feminine attributes.
::My joke tried to play into the fact that she is a knife and that Transformer 'blood' (energon, right?) is pink. It wasn't perhaps the best formulated or particularly funny, but at least it wasn't problematic either.
::So, I ask you to at least leave the caption blank if my joke wasn't good. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:45, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::What a steaming pile you've plopped down there, and how ''dare'' you. You'll pardon me if I find that giving Arcee a Micron partner that's pink, ''literally'' has stiletto heels, a heart for a face, and hands sculpted in that splayed-out palms-to-the-floor tee-hee pose just a ''wee'' bit out of place. Combine that with her on-show personality, which is more or less a "diva" and a love target for various characters, and it's a parade of sad cliches, shoving her into the trope of "GIRLY GIRL PINK GIRL" being her only character trait. Which I find dreadful, not because "pink + girl = auto-bad forever", but because hey, sometimes, a female character ''doesn't need to be pink and girly''. There are lots of ways to be a girl. Defaulting the '''''only''''' female character in the lot to nothing more than pink-and-pretty is bluntly insulting. Arcee is feminine without being a pile of "gender-normative" cliches. To see Arc backslide so far is disappointing at best.
:::It has nothing, ''nothing'' to do with "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior", as you so idiotically put it, and EVERYTHING to do with it seemingly being THE ONLY ROLE OPTION FOR FEMALES AS DECIDED UPON BY PREDOMINANTLY MALE-RUN ENTERPRISES AND AIMED AT A PREDOMINANTLY YOUNG MALE AUDIENCE. ''THAT'', if you ask me, is the REAL "lack of appreciation".
:::And I'd really, ''really'' love a source on your claim as to how pink would "lower" Jack and THAT being the reason for Arcee's coloration.
:::(And by the way, energon is ''light blue'' in Prime. Which would have been a far better choice of colors for Arc. still wouldn't have solved the sculpting issues though.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:26, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::How ''dare'' I? Oh, excuse me, male person. I, as female person, should not have assumed to know anything about the female identity and its stereotypes and how they should be talked about without creating further harm. I mean, it's not like I could have first-hand experience. And the fact I left this wiki over a year ago partially because of the heterosexual (cis)male entitlement here is also something I must've dreamed up. Apologies. How dare I?
::::I give you [http://parrotbeak.tumblr.com/post/30725648699/crowd-about-arcee-how-come-in-the-old-one-she this] as my evidence for the Jack = blue claim.
::::That energon is blue in TFP is a good argument against my joke, though. Still not one in favor of yours. If all those other things bother you about Arc as well, why not comment on any of thém? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:40, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". You came out with the presumption of the ''worst'' possible reason, using charged language, so yes. Offense is going to be taken. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Geewunling, you need to understand the difference between trends in gender perception across society as a whole and the choices of individuals. Yes, society is ruled by males and these males have decided for everyone what "feminine" means. But this is charting a trend. It's something you can only measure as a pile of thousands or millions of choices. You cannot draw these same insidious conclusions from one person, and you can't accuse one person of committing the crime that an entire society perpetuates. For example, one movie that doesn't pass the Bechdel Test isn't sexist, but most movies not passing the Bechdel Test is indicative of a sexist society. You are making that mistake here. You may know more about being female than a male because you are a female, but you don't know more about Sipher's motivations in creating a caption than he does, for that same reason. Instead, you've decided to mark him and his actions unfavorably by assuming his motivations are synonymous with All Males Everywhere. And because of this, you have accused him of hating girls -- not because he's demonstrated that he hates girls, but because he's said something about the color pink. Pink is a complicated color because it's wrapped up in gender roles, and attitudes towards that color can be numerous and contradictory, and it is simply impossible to concentrate those feelings down into an accurate accusation against a lone human being. A feminist could hate or love pink depending on their experiences with the color, and both reactions could be right. It would be wiser to deal with Sipher as an individual with his own thoughts and motivations -- albeit within a sexist society. He is not that society. Remember that when dealing with other people. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:23, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::To M Sipher (and ItsWalky for the defense): I called the joke femmephobic, not you. And even if I would've called you femmephobic, I did not say anything about intent. It has little to do with 'reasons', and all the more with a system of conventions that are tough to make visible.
::::::Do I mind a pink joke or think less of the person who made it? No. Do I feel upset about having seen (and changed) some thirty+ jokes around here about male characters/men being not worth basic consideration for dressing in pink, about female characters/women ''not'' having pink in their look (which adds to the stereotype where it is averted), and female characters/women in pink being inherently inferior to ones who aren't? A little. And I can give you the full list if you want me to. It just is not about you, it's about everything.
::::::All I ask for is a different joke, one that doesn't serve to rebuild a collection I've tried to kill off. If only because repetitive jokes are a reading enjoyment-killer.
::::::P.S., ItsWalky, don't assume I don't know feminism. It's condescending and kind of a weird assumption given the conversation so far. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:39, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::At no point did I assume you didn't know feminism. In fact, I wrote my entire spiel with the exact opposite assumption. The term "cisgendered" isn't exactly thrown around by the unequipped. If I wrote at-length or in great detail, it's because this topic is complicated and this is not a private conversation between you and I, plus I thought explaining my thoughts plainly and clearly was better than being curt and snarky. Once again you assume the worst in others without first attempting to understand them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::(As an aside, I always assumed Arc was pink merely because those are Arcee's secondary colors.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:36, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Alright, critique withdrawn. I was thrown off by the fairly elaborate explanation of the Bechdel Test and color pink, and the reassertion I'd been targeting M Sipher rather than, you know, the joke.
::::::::Whereas my request for another joke is standing, I also withdraw concerns for an immediate change. There's a reason I can name all instances of a pink joke on this wiki, and once it's finished I could as well try to kick off a community discussion with it that better communicates the problem. Which is not, and never was, one person/man's doing. Nor did I say that. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:27, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:50, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

== Kickshift ==
Alright, not that I'm trying to accuse you of something and piss you off more than you already are, but do you know anything about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User:AutobotKickshift?oldid=391195 this]? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 20:30, 14 October 2012 (EDT)
:1) Who said I'm pissed off? It takes a LOT more than a run-of-the-mill twit to piss me off. 2) That's Wikia. I don't GO there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:43, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

== Shield Master O.P. A ==

I was lurking at the Allspark, and noticed you made a thread about O.P. A. For your information, the O.P. A you have may be an error. I own the Shield Master set, and my O.P. A has a light-teal/light-blue crystal instead of the medium-blue crystal color of the Cosmotector trio. Hope this helps. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 04:43, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

== Deadlock (episode) ==

Why did you undo my edit on [[Deadlock|this]] page? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 00:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)
: You were adding unnecessary commentary, versus information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
:: Can't you just edit the page, not undoing the edit? Can't we have a little fun here? The page don't need fun, so why you wrote the caption of the pictures with it? My edit is incomplete, why don't you edit and complete it? My grammar is poor, why don't you fix it? My edit is uninformative, why don't you fix the uninformative part? My edit is unnecessary, why don't you ¡UNDO IT AND TELL ME if my edit isn't necessary? My edit is full of mistakes and should be fixed, why don't you ¡FIX IT AND TELL ME so I can make myself better? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 02:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)

== White Ironfist vs. Tan Ironfist ==

I admit I based my note off the screencaps on his page, which seemed to indicate that Fisitron's two biggest portrayals (otherwise known as his only portrayals) replaced the tan of his toy with white. Given that, why remove my note when it seemed to be accurate? Or am I just colour-blind? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:06, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:Because he's tan. I've got LSOTW right in front of me and he is consistently tan. It's a lighter, more desaturated tan, but EVERYONE'S colors are lighter and desaturated. That's IDW's look. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:13, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::Ah, okay. Guess that's my bad for trying to extrapolate a pattern without having the comics on hand. So much for contributing outside of reverting anonymous morons and the occasional caption...he is still white in WoH, though, right? Can I take consolation in being half-right? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:49, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:::He is very white in WoH. But, yeah, tan in LSOTW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:54, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::::Righto. Complaint withdrawn. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 04:36, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

== Divide and Conquer ==

I believe it to be a deliberate reference, but if this has been discussed and decided against, that's fair enough; It being deleted with reason is fine by me, but deletion of something I deemed valid without reasons given understandably led me to add it again. Also, i'd rather a more diplomatic approach than just 'do not post this again'-like I said, I was unaware that I was in error. --[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 23:47, 4th September 2013
:The reason was given TWICE, and you added it again afterward anyway. And no, this wiki is not in the habit of listing every vague coincidence as intentional reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:57, 4 September 2013 (EDT)

I've already said that I understand that decision. I'm a newcomer here, so i'll take this opportunity to apologise for irritating behaviour but also plead ignorance in that I didn't know better. Despite accepting that I may have accidentally caused irritation, I have to admit that your reaction has been a bit arsey and very newcomer-unfriendly.--[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 01:21, 4th September 2013

== Soundwave ==

I find your decision to remove my comment on Soundwave being present during PR due to being 'unnecessary' odd, to be honest. How many entries under notes sections are 'necessary'? I found this to be of interest, and interest is subjective. What I said was not incorrect, nor did it present a problem. I think you've made an unfair decision here. Can you really delete other people's contributions based on what you think is interesting?
:Soundwave is completely absent from the movie, thoroughly irrelevant to the plot in every respect. It'd be like commenting on the lack of humans, Airachnid, Insecticons or Decepticon miners. We don't remark on the absences of cast members unless said absence poses continuity issues. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:58, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

Your response was pretty definitive, and I'm not trying to be obnoxious by continuing this, but my point was that he probably was present; it was a 'Soundwave is actually there the whole time' comment, not vice versa. However,another contributor has since pointed out that, as we can't be sure of Soundwave's actions between the movie and the episode, his whereabouts can't be proved and so my comment was speculative, which to my mind is reason enough to not include it, but I found your reasoning less understandable.
I appreciate that it was an inconsequential bit of trivia, but then many of the notes on this wiki seem equally, if not less trivial, so i'm wondering what constitutes acceptable notes? [[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]]

== Re:Random Kreon in Beast Hunters set? ==

I'm not sure. The scan of the instructions the guy posted showed it had a different color scheme from the first Kreon version of Knock Out. But if it does turn out to be random, feel free to remove it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 20:35, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

== Hero Mashers ==

I think you have to clarify more than "Fuck this noise" when you're merging all the Hero Mashers back despite them having their own universal stream cluster. Canon's not really on your side. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:08, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
:I left the (HM) pages intact so "canon" can be appeased. There's canon, and then there's stupidly obfuscating information by not having blatantly-based-on-specific-iterations-of-characters merch on the relevant pages because of some micro-reference in something the overwhelming majority of readership will basically never see. We do readers a disservice with the latter. I don't like just assuming someone's going to dig through a disambig link chain to maybe find stuff like this, and since we repeat full toy sections for repurposings, I don't see why repeating Hero Mashers or the like would be a problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:15, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
::That's fair enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:16, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

==Intruders==

Are the Intruders who built Medusa the same as the Intruders from G.I. Joe? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:09, 18 July 2015 (EDT)

== Spambots ==

There's another one: [[User:Sdsfs]] -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:24, 3 February 2016 (EST)

==Misdirection==

I tried, i changed the file type, and i did a multiple image upload, so i couldnt give them all a correct discription. Will they be readded, or shall i do them individually? -
Junkheap117
Also, you need to calm your shit. It's just a fucking unofficial website, and you go on like it means the world to you. GET A FUCKING LIFE.
:Guess who's getting a time-out? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:34, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

==Angry Birds Transformers Characters and Accessories==
Thanks for taking the time to fill in information for the Angry Birds Transformers characters.
So far we're still missing comphrehensive profiles for Chuck, Hal, and the Minion Pig seekers. Could you also 'spice up' Red's Ultimate, Nemesis, and Epic Optimus Prime's profiles? (I wrote those profiles, but they're just information basic.)

The current Challenge event is for getting both Bumblebees' accessories, so for this and future events, could you make sure to get the gem costs of the accessories ''before'' getting them with tokens? Or else would take extra replaying from scratch to figure out the what the original gem costs were.

Also, some of the accessories were token-only exclusives, so you may have to change the cost columns for the accessories tables a bit.
--[[User:Woo224|Woo224]] ([[User talk:Woo224|talk]]) 23:14, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

==Uploads==

Hi, im a new user and when i upload an image it says i dont have permission to creat a new page. I have multiple screenshots from the new RID episode but i cant uplaod them, Any ideas? Thanks
--[[User:Hardshell101|Hardshell101]]

== Apology ==

Sorry about disrupting your work on the ''Combiner Wars'' toyline page. I didn't think you had progressed down that far yet. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:25, 2 October 2016 (EDT)

== Hiding pages from Recent Changes? ==

I had no idea my personal page edits were cluttering up the Recent Changes page; my bad. Is it possible for me to just hide everything under my username page from Recent Changes? I just find it much easier to work on individual subsections... but given how many there are it's going to keep cluttering RC until I'm done (and I keep wanting to make tweaks here and there). Thanks. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:52, 27 February 2017 (EST)
:Just noticed the "Minor edit" checkbox; I'll use that from now on for my stuff. Sorry again for my posts. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:54, 27 February 2017 (EST)

== Model Numbers? ==

Hey, I noticed that you've deleted model numbers off of most of the toyline pages, which is very useful information. I registered to place them back in, but after a couple edits I notice that somebody undid them already. Apologies if I went about this wrong, but how can we get the model #'s reinstated onto the collection pages? =)

== Formatting - table vs list ==

Also, when you deleted the model numbers for many pages, you converted the formatting from simple straight-down lists to table formats. As a result, everything looks more cluttered and less organized now. With model numbers in place, even though the page may be slightly longer, at least everything looks much more organized in numerical order. Would it be possible to consider putting everything back into straight-down list views? (but keep the improvements, such as the cool new mini-icons, etc.)

User talk:M Sipher

2017-03-03T19:13:42Z

Fronkinsteen:

AMBIGUITY IS THE FLAVOR OR LIFE!

YOU WOULD ROB US OF OUR MYSTERIES!

Dumping everything written was not required, unless Wikipedia automatically saves what I have written somewhere.

==Autobot Officer==

Uh. Oopsies? Didn't know you were getting pics, too. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Americanised spelling ==
Hi there, PacifistPrime the originator of the [[Scale]] article here. Thanks for cleaning up some of the typos. However, is it really neccessary to "correct" all my spelling by changing it to Americanised spelling? Is there actually a rule here that one has to use American spelling instead of, well... to be frank: the way the rest of world's users of the English Language spell? No offence intended, just asking. Let me know. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:I would think "yes", since this is an Amerocentric wiki and consistency looks professional. I don't realistically believe we'll ever achieve that because there are too many people from too many regions contributing, and further there are a lot of variations in how people type regardless of what area they're from. I can't stand putting two spaces between sentences, but I wouldn't be offended if someone changed a page I worked on to use them. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==What edit are you talking about?==
If you're talking about my submission about Blackarachnia's telekinesis, it is NOT baseless speculation; she did use telekinesis in Master Blaster against Rampage, and although they never said where she got it, it is very likely that the psychic link she had with Tarantulas was upgraded during her Transmetalization. Watch the episode; you'll see Blackarachnia's eyes glow green, levitate an I-beam, and fling it at Rampage. The episode was right after Crossing the Rubicon (where Blackarachnia became a TM2), and 18 episodes after Tangled Web, when Blackarachnia forced Tarantulas to terminate their mind link after four episodes (and in case you want to contest it, Other Visits made a mention of the mind link, and how it worked both ways, meaning that BA had some remnants of the link, at the very least some of Tarantulas' memories, if not some other side effects).[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 15:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not Sipher, but I agree that it's speculation that doesn't belong here. Her glowing eyes echo the glowing tendrils involved in Cheetor's TM2-ification. It's a Transmetal 2 thing, and I see nothing whatsoever to connect it with the former mental link she shared with Tarantulas. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Beast Wars Video Game ==

Hey Siph- I finally picked up a copy of the BW Game off e-bay (the original snap I made was from the demo.)

I'm nto very far into it (finding time this summer is tough) but thus far there's been no mention of the Skriix. Were they named in the game booklet or something? ('cuz i lack the booklet.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
: I'm trying to remember WHERE they were named. It might have been promotional materials. It's not in the booklet, I know that... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I theeeeeenk it might've been in one of the pre-mission "briefings" that came up before you started each level. Level... three, I want to say? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, then I just haven't played it enough to get that info. Thanks!
:::Was there anything of value at all in the booklet that I'm missing out on? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

ok, but what about those pages that are wanted?

you can't say a whole lot about say the third episode of Five Faces of Darkness can you?

other than that, what do you think of my wording?

and btw, theres a weird random page about weather in london but wasn't deleted, joke I'm not aware of maybe?
--[[User:DracoJesi|DracoJesi]] 18:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload issues==
Are you having any problems with image uploads? For some reason the wiki isn't uploading my images onto the server. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Twirl toy image==
Can you upload a photo of her robot and vehicle modes? Preferably against a 'neutral' background to fit with the rest of the toy pics. She is too awesome to go without toy photos, methinks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==Megatron's Brazilian Voice Actor==
Howdy ho! Hey, you said that the information about Megatron's voice actor in the film was on the wrong place when i put it on his page.
Where would be the right place?
I was thinking that maybe if i mentioned that José Santacruz plays a REALLY monstrous Megs, much similar to the one Hugo Weaving did, maybe it could go where i originally intended?
Thanks for the time.--[[User:akumateukuma|akumateukuma]] 11:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Rartorata==
I don't really appreciate the "fuck you" in your edit summary, Siph. After the last round of discussion in October I thought -- due to lack of voiced disagreement -- that the names were going to be toned down to just ones that sound at least slightly like his real name, which personally I consider quite important. I reverted an anonymous change to the article which went against that "rule", and now you're cursing me out. That is quite uncool. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Create-A-Bot's Alt-modes==

I'm currently reworking the format and putting it in a more relevant form. It's not that it isn't important, but that the method in which it was added was inappropriate. I believe the original version went something like this.

"Just like his heroic counterpart, Create-A-Bot can adapt into numerous forms that can change his status, but several of his forms cannot be accessed in the game, but can be obtained by WiFi points by visiting the official Activition website. The altmodes are..."

and then listed them in a long and hard to read cluster. This not only is confusing, but also give the impression that ALL of the alt-modes have to be unlocked. So, instead of having a list, I am going to add an easier to read section in each article.

- ''Update'': The sections have been finished and added. Sorry about before, I guess I just forgot to leave a message on the Discussion page about it. -- [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Prowl Redirect ==

The wiki's lack of warning strikes again. I have made certain to preview every edit I do, looking for a warning that I'm editing an outdated version of the page. While I was making that edit, you redirected the page. When I previewed my edit, it gave no warning that anything had changed, so I submitted it—which undid the move. At least the new redirect included my clean-up...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Robot Heroes ==

There are clear packaging pics of all that are on TFW2005 (I think, I went from Seibertron.com). Not sure where from, but it isn't like they've been secretly leaked to me.

[[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

: So... stolen. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's some links, right here

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=161976

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=8828&dispsize=800&start=0

http://seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12219

Anyone and their mother can see them. I see nowhere that they've been stolen and find it hard to believe Hasbro wouldn't have seen the pics after a day or two, considering Stealth Bumblebee. We've seen Cheetor, Rattrap, and Megatron before anyway. I'm leaving them there. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:We've seen them because they were ''stooooooooooooooolen''. They have ''noooot'' been officially announced by Hasbro or any official sales solicitations anywhere. Therefore, they are not to be put on this wiki until they are. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

We saw the prototypes (Not Blackarachnia) months ago. They've been on this Wiki with the exception of Blackarachnia for months. If I absolutly cannot add her and the confirmed lineups, I will change it back to the way it was before. The protos have been and still are available for the rest and have been for months. I think, THINK they were from Botcon, but I'm unsure. Comic-Con? [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, several were shown at Botcon 2007; maybe at Comic-Con too, I dunno. But for the ones that weren't, our own policy (specifically [[Help:Coming_soon]] ) means we need to leave them alone until there's something official. Without a hard and fast policy, there's no fair way to declare what should and shouldn't be here when gray areas arise. Besides which, we're not trying to be a news site. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that a good compromise? There is no info there that seems unacceptable to me. I apologize for getting off on the wrong foot. The article on Smash Bros. Brawl on Wikipedia has made me defensive. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 03:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==You don't get to annoy and rule-break your way back to good graces.==
Unless you're me, that is. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

==Weird bootleg minicons==
Are you still looking for the various KO minicons? A store by me has the purple/yellow Star Saber team, the constructicon-esque Military team, and the weird combining remolds, if you're still interested. Also, they have inexplicably huge amounts of WCW Nitro cologne. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Anchors==
Have you noticed that each anchor line inserts a new blank line into the page formatting? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:I see four choices: 1) accept the extra blank formatting line, 2) put the anchors at the end of the last line of the preceding section, 3) dirty up the code by replacing the blank formatting lines with the anchor template lines, or 4) put the anchor code at the end of the "title" section it anchors to, which may result in the page link manifesting with its section title scrolled off the screen. For OP G1, for the purposes of getting my Stormbringer trivia edit in, I'm going with 2, for now. I'll fix it when we've got a decision. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 03:15, 14 February 2008 (EST)

== Telemocha episodes ==

Let's see,
:TM-01 Primal: 02
:TM-02 Megatron: 04
:TM-03 Cheetor: 05
:TM-04 Waspinator: 06
:TM-05 Dinobot: 09
:TM-06 Blackarachnia: 10
:TM-07 Corada: 11
:TM-08 Arcadis: 20
:TM-09 Rhinox: 03
:TM-10 Wolfang: 08
:TM-11 Tigatron: 07
:TM-12 Gimlet: 12
:TM-13 Motorarm: 21
:TM-SP Primal: 01 & 15
:TM-SP Megatron: 13 & 14

So far, that's episodes 1-15, 20, and 21 --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

== New Mini-Con ==

Just a heads-up: If you haven't heard yet, there's another Mini-Con/Micron store exclusive due from Japan. Starting March 13, the first 10 customers to buy J-release TF Classics toys at any Toys "R" Us get a free Skyglide, a red recolor of Steelwind from the Clear Skies Team, probably meant to homage Powerglide. (This is from ''Figure King'' #121, according to Autobase Aichi. I don't think there are any images in the article.) I'm not sure where this info should be put into the wiki. There doesn't seem to be enough info to set up an article of its own yet. A "coming soon" notice on the main Mini-Con page until we know more, maybe?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Mech Version ==

I tried a Google search and didn't find anything right off. I DID find Yahoo Japan auction listings which listed it in kana as メッキ, which is definitely "chromed" and not "mech". Point me to the site, please?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
: That's the kana on TakaraTomy's page for the set http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/other/index.html ... but isn't that kana "Meh-(shorten next)-ki"? "Mech"? Wouldn't "chromed" be an entirely different set of kana? The ones used for "Chromebite"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::No. Check it out by copy-pasting the katakana into the translation box at Jim Breen's. While クローム isn't unknown in Japan (Heck, it's what they call Stylor), the general term for chrome-plated parts is メッキ. (Technically, it's 鍍金 or 滅金, but perhaps because those can also be pronounced "tokin" and mean "pretense", it's usually rendered in katakana.) I first figured that by seeing it used in instructions for snap-together model kits which included such pieces. "Mech" is usually rendered メカ, as in short for "mechanism".--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Heroes of Cybertron Cat? ==

Hey, are you going to populate a Heroes of Cybertron category? Dirge currently is all alone there, and I was about to delete the cat from his page to help clean up the Wanted Cats page. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
: Why the fuck would you delete it? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: First of all, I'm here to discuss the matter ''before'' I do anything rash, so I don't think I deserve the swearing. Chill.
:: Second of all, I considered deleting the link to the cat because the cat doesn't exist, and there's no demonstrable desire for it to exist, as shown by the fact that there's only one article in it.
:: But, third, if you were intending to fill out the category, so that it reaches the minimum number of entries we require to justify a category, I fully support you in that. I'm just asking if that's your plan, or if you expect other people to take care of it. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==this may sound awkward...==
r u a guy or a girl? if it says anywhere on ur talk page, i just kinda skimmed thru it.i always assumed u were a girl, but decided not 2 call u 1. if u know what happened last time [[User:Inferno'sQueen|someone's]] gender was mistaken. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 20:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
: Yes, he is a girl. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::You can tell by Sipher's pink armor plating.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:If he's a girl, then he's in serious need of [[Greg Sepelak|electrolysis]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== "lay odds?" ==

what odds? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:y'know, ya still haven't answered the question..[[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::And yet by pestering him, ''you'' have.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:::huh? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 19:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Soundwave edits by 143.239.7.2 ==

Okay, the whole Gurren Lagan/gattai history business is drawing parallels that are either speculative or outside the intended scope of the wiki. (A note might be made somewhere of Soundwave's combining method, though. Is it unique within TF lore?) However, why excise the directly TF-related material—i.e., noting the homages to the original Soundwave?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's the section Sipher removed due to (as I believe he put it) being "blatantly obvious."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

==Scourge Edit==

That's the second time that my trivia post for RiD Scourge was deleted. It's a valid point, and I dunno why you guys are refusing to allow it, especially since there seems to be no qualms on here with making tranny jokes about Override or Airazor. Kind of hypocritical, ne?
[[User:64.13.101.210|64.13.101.210]] 23:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
: No, not at all. Because Airazor and Override did legitimately, officially change genders in translation. Scourge... drumroll... ''has always been male, and has never ever ever been officially hinted as having the remotest female whatever ever''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, I'm spamming ==

Canvassing a few talkpages here so we can get folks to weigh in and finalize the potential Wiki image policy. Your input would be appreciated at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Images]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== blocking help ==

Lets just say a acount has been blocked, and I cant even edit my talk page. Could you
tell me whats up. [[User:F1 fan|F1 fan]] 04:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== Please Provide More Details ==
...as to why you removed the army building reference in the Starscream clone article. A simple rephrasing could have eliminated any problems you have with the word "Clearly". I dont mean to seem bitchy/pushy, but I really think that it was a good contribution to the article. [[Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)]] --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

==Ironhide==
I read your thing about Botcon, very interesting. But the chances that Ironhide's southern accent doesn't originate from Cullen's are very low indeed. If you listen to the two voices, Ironhide's voice in Animated has a slightly different style. The most likely explanation is that the idea of the accent was taken from Cullen's 'Hide, while the sound of the accent was modelled on the other guys. And both should be noted in page. Something like "The idea of a southern accent is most likely based on G1 Ironhide, however the particular variant/vernacular(whatever) is based on such and such". [[User:GWolfv2]] 19.20 May 31st
: No. I'm goddamn sick of over-reaching desperate "THIS MUST BE GEEWUN REFERENCE". Especially when we're talking about an analogue to a G1 character... at BEST, it's "no shit, Sherlock" (you mean a guy based on G1 Ironhide has slightly-G1-Ironhide-like traits?! NOOO!), at worst, it's a desperate grab for a non-reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh...well, I said my piece...nice to know you're keeping your head and not getting worked up over nothing btw [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.01 May 31st
:::Nice to know you're supporting the spread of idiotic misinformation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

As the only staff member online at the moment as far as I know, can you make a decision about the latest Animated episode's title? We have two separate groups of editors working on two different articles for this episode. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:31, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Original photo watermark ==

Hey, I'm working on finishing cleaning up the Magmatron photos I took before the crash. Do you still have that TFWiki watermark template handy?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:07, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

for fixing up the Stormbringer description I did. I think my original edit summary was lost, but I had basically only done that because I thought it was important in explaining why Optimus got over feeling unworthy - and you summed it up a lot better than I ever could.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:38, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

==Yo==
[[Image_talk:Alt-toy_AiKuruma.jpg]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:48, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Vandalism warning ==

Guess who's back. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:42, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Awesome job, man. ==
{{gigantionaward}}
Really love the style you're doing the Micromaster Combiner toy photos in. Nicely done.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:22, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
: I concur. I think you deserve one of those prizes for services to the wiki. Excellent, excellent work. Keep it up! 08:10, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, I proposed the TFWiki Funbux as our official monetary reward. I too concur on a great you did. I especially like how you indication which half is which character in the combined vehicle pics. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:35, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I actually made what amounts to a TFWiki "barnstar" once. And yep, Siph deserves it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 09:13, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Showdown translations==
Hey, Sipher. Just to save you time and a headache, I already translated the Showdown names, they're at [[Japanese ID number list#Beast Wars]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:01, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Linkage ==

I just wanted to thank you for going in and adding the megadata (like pub data) to the Linkage articles... I was trying to figure out when it was published yesterday, and I had to go back to some of your original ''usenet'' posts to confirm it spanned 2003 and 2004. (I suspected it did... but you know... that's not the same as being sure.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

BTW, I'm curious as to why you have them as <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 3]]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 6]]</nowiki>, and such, because that makes me think we'll be directing to the DVDs themselves... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:33, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
:Because we ''will'' be, like I said when I reverted them? The individual DVDs totally should have their own articles. I think it's stupid to NOT have articles on the individual home releases of whatever. If we have articles on trade paperbacks, we should have articles on the home videos. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::Ah. My bad. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 05:33, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

[http://members.fortunecity.com/msipher/transform/linkage/linkage.html Your site], linked from the [[Linkage (comic)|Linkage articles]], seems to be down/gone. Is there an alternate? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 14:48, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

== Hey, ==

Is "Image:PsychoOrb-toy.jpg" one of yours? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:46, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:Yes. I actually have a shadowless, watermarked version of that... and several others... that I just haven't gotten around to uploading. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:35, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== IDW Dates ==

To answer your question... while the solicitations of course give an idea of what will come out at ''some'' point during a month, usually we only get one month's worth of specific dates around the end of the previous month/beginning of that month via Tipton's blog and IDW's newsletter.

...so I guess the short answer is "no, we don't have specific dates for December or January stuff yet". Although we should get November's dates soon. I guess we could put in question-marked placeholders based on the solicitations... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:27, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Returns airdates ==

[http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html The site] Jon T referred me to had all the listings and from what I could tell going by the months I know the show premiered in Japan, plus the consistency between the airdates, it all looks legit to me. So I scrolled through each month, matched up the Japanese titles with the ones on this site to make sure the Japanese and Western episode orders were the same, and here are all the original Japanese airdates for the series:

*The Reformatting 2004/11/ 6
*Master of the House 2004/11/ 7
*Fires of the Past 2004/11/13
*Mercenary Pursuits 2004/11/14
*Forbidden Fruit 2004/11/20
*The Weak Component 2004/11/21
*Revelations Part I: Discovery 2004/11/27
*Revelations Part II: Descent 2004/11/28
*Revelations Part III: Apocalypse 2004/12/ 4
*Survivor 2004/12/ 5
*The Key 2004/12/11
*The Catalyst 2004/12/12
*End of the Line 2004/12/18
*Fallout 2004/12/19
*Savage Noble 2004/12/25
*Prometheus Unbound 2004/12/26
*In Darkest Knight 2005/ 1/ 1
*A Wolf in the Fold 2005/ 1/ 2
*Home Soil 2005/ 1/ 8
*Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike 2005/ 1/ 9
*Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search 2005/ 1/15
*Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege 2005/ 1/16
*Spark of Darkness 2005/ 1/22
*Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral 2005/ 1/23
*Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall 2005/ 1/29
*Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future 2005/ 1/30

Have at them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:19, 19 December 2009 (EST)

==Kiss Purge==
Good show on the Kiss Player == HORRIBLE purge. Some people (read: most people) don't seem to understand restraint.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:54, 2 March 2010 (EST)

==FemTF article==
Ehrm, sorry if I am being pushy, but some time ago you said you wanted to take a look at what you could improve on [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|my draft XXL]] for a new femTF page. I'll have finished up education duties in about a week and would like to continue and finally be done with the damn thing, so if it's possible you can take a look at it by then/around that time, I'd be really grateful. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:41, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

== Pst ==

There's a link to "Mass delete" at the bottom of the list of [[Special:Specialpages]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Edits ==

So overall, I saw several minor adjustments to the pages I made today, and I've noted them for any pages I make in the future. I didn't see any major revisions, though. Are the pages I did mostly okay, as long as I keep an eye out for the things you had to come behind me and fix? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 23:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

== Crankstart and suffering... ==

http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Crankstart&diff=prev&oldid=461445

*retires to a safe distance* :p - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 22:51, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
: [[Transformers_Wiki:Caption#Captions_and_jokes_we.27re_sick_of]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:04, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

== Silas and meltdown ==

The MECH agent piloting the helicopter outright said that the D.N.G.S. didn't meltdown after Prime's trailer was destroyed by the Vehicons. So Silas does know about the meltdown thing. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:22, 5 March 2011 (EST)
:There's a world of difference between knowing a radioactive thing will meltdown and knowing that it would be a ''five-state'' meltdown. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:28, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Congrats ==

You nabbed my obvious sock.

And ''only'' my obvious sock. The not-so-obvious one is still out there, waiting to be found.....

-Blackout-

==Divebomb==
Naw, that's Space Case again. You can ''juuust'' see the blue snakeskin grid deco alongside his cockpit. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:13, 12 April 2011 (EDT)

==Khon==
In "Dungeons & Dinobots", would Khon be a new location or a typo of Kaon? (P.S., please say the former) [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 10:05, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== ... ==

What constant steam of negativity? <strike>And a death ray is really negative!!</strike> [[User:Diamondmatter|Diamondmatter]] 12:05, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

== Spam ==

Does [[User talk:Dynamic|THIS]] count as Spam?--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 13:18, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

==Albitron==
You wouldn't happen to know what magazines MiB advertised Albitron and Swoop in, would you? Tracking those down to get scans of them seems like something to do. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 19:15, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

== Power Core Combiners ==

Just a shout out, I love your PCC fig pics, they look awesome! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 11:05, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:On [[Heavytread (PCC)|Heavytread]], the prehistoric comment was a joke in reference to his instrux pairing him up with the dinobots limbs.[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 00:51, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

== Quizno's Talking Oven... ==

I totally agree with your opinion on that commercial. [[Special:Contributions/50.36.116.49|50.36.116.49]] 14:51, 12 December 2011 (EST)

== Woah woah woah, why revert my "Minicon" edits? ==

In the Aligned universe the spelling for the word is "Minicon" rather than "Mini-Con" why would you undo all that since we have EVIDENCE presented in the novels of the spelling? It's the same thing as "Dino" vs "Mirage" for the specific forms of fiction. It's changed as it is presented, and in this case "Minicon" is the correct one. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 20:44, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:Because we've had misparsed words showing in official TF side-items for many years (BlackArachnia, anyone?), and frankly, I don't trust Alex Irvine to get anything right. The odds of the spelling showing up on Hasbro packaging as "Minicon" are pretty low, and until we see Hasbro PROEPER use it consistently, then we're going with what Hasbro PROPER has used. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:51, 2 February 2012 (EST)

== Thanks ==
Thanks for banning that asshat. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 11:26, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

== Darkness Rising, Part 5 ==
Why did the edit about Miko and Soundwave taking pictures of each other get reverted? I'm not raging, just asking so I should know what to post and what not to post under References. [[Special:Contributions/78.128.95.132|78.128.95.132]] 18:27, 8 August 2012 (EDT)
: Because that was not a reference. That was a coincidence. Not all similarities are references. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 8 August 2012 (EDT)

==Arc caption==
Was the joke unclear? Because in either case, I don't particularly favor the femmephobic joke you put there. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:"Femmephobic"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:30, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::There's a thing called Google. But it comes down to lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women, because it's seen as inferior. This wiki is way past just pointing out stereotypes - it's actively participating in femmephobia with its propensity for remarks about the color pink (among mány other things). In particular, *I* hate pink jokes around TFP Arcee, and therefore also Arc, because Arcee's usual color was not altered for her, but for Jack, so he would not be lowered for associating with feminine attributes.
::My joke tried to play into the fact that she is a knife and that Transformer 'blood' (energon, right?) is pink. It wasn't perhaps the best formulated or particularly funny, but at least it wasn't problematic either.
::So, I ask you to at least leave the caption blank if my joke wasn't good. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:45, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::What a steaming pile you've plopped down there, and how ''dare'' you. You'll pardon me if I find that giving Arcee a Micron partner that's pink, ''literally'' has stiletto heels, a heart for a face, and hands sculpted in that splayed-out palms-to-the-floor tee-hee pose just a ''wee'' bit out of place. Combine that with her on-show personality, which is more or less a "diva" and a love target for various characters, and it's a parade of sad cliches, shoving her into the trope of "GIRLY GIRL PINK GIRL" being her only character trait. Which I find dreadful, not because "pink + girl = auto-bad forever", but because hey, sometimes, a female character ''doesn't need to be pink and girly''. There are lots of ways to be a girl. Defaulting the '''''only''''' female character in the lot to nothing more than pink-and-pretty is bluntly insulting. Arcee is feminine without being a pile of "gender-normative" cliches. To see Arc backslide so far is disappointing at best.
:::It has nothing, ''nothing'' to do with "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior", as you so idiotically put it, and EVERYTHING to do with it seemingly being THE ONLY ROLE OPTION FOR FEMALES AS DECIDED UPON BY PREDOMINANTLY MALE-RUN ENTERPRISES AND AIMED AT A PREDOMINANTLY YOUNG MALE AUDIENCE. ''THAT'', if you ask me, is the REAL "lack of appreciation".
:::And I'd really, ''really'' love a source on your claim as to how pink would "lower" Jack and THAT being the reason for Arcee's coloration.
:::(And by the way, energon is ''light blue'' in Prime. Which would have been a far better choice of colors for Arc. still wouldn't have solved the sculpting issues though.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:26, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::How ''dare'' I? Oh, excuse me, male person. I, as female person, should not have assumed to know anything about the female identity and its stereotypes and how they should be talked about without creating further harm. I mean, it's not like I could have first-hand experience. And the fact I left this wiki over a year ago partially because of the heterosexual (cis)male entitlement here is also something I must've dreamed up. Apologies. How dare I?
::::I give you [http://parrotbeak.tumblr.com/post/30725648699/crowd-about-arcee-how-come-in-the-old-one-she this] as my evidence for the Jack = blue claim.
::::That energon is blue in TFP is a good argument against my joke, though. Still not one in favor of yours. If all those other things bother you about Arc as well, why not comment on any of thém? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:40, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". You came out with the presumption of the ''worst'' possible reason, using charged language, so yes. Offense is going to be taken. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::You sure didn't seem to have any problems assuming that I had a "lack of appreciation for anything that is associated with women because it's seen as inferior". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:58, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::Geewunling, you need to understand the difference between trends in gender perception across society as a whole and the choices of individuals. Yes, society is ruled by males and these males have decided for everyone what "feminine" means. But this is charting a trend. It's something you can only measure as a pile of thousands or millions of choices. You cannot draw these same insidious conclusions from one person, and you can't accuse one person of committing the crime that an entire society perpetuates. For example, one movie that doesn't pass the Bechdel Test isn't sexist, but most movies not passing the Bechdel Test is indicative of a sexist society. You are making that mistake here. You may know more about being female than a male because you are a female, but you don't know more about Sipher's motivations in creating a caption than he does, for that same reason. Instead, you've decided to mark him and his actions unfavorably by assuming his motivations are synonymous with All Males Everywhere. And because of this, you have accused him of hating girls -- not because he's demonstrated that he hates girls, but because he's said something about the color pink. Pink is a complicated color because it's wrapped up in gender roles, and attitudes towards that color can be numerous and contradictory, and it is simply impossible to concentrate those feelings down into an accurate accusation against a lone human being. A feminist could hate or love pink depending on their experiences with the color, and both reactions could be right. It would be wiser to deal with Sipher as an individual with his own thoughts and motivations -- albeit within a sexist society. He is not that society. Remember that when dealing with other people. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:23, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::To M Sipher (and ItsWalky for the defense): I called the joke femmephobic, not you. And even if I would've called you femmephobic, I did not say anything about intent. It has little to do with 'reasons', and all the more with a system of conventions that are tough to make visible.
::::::Do I mind a pink joke or think less of the person who made it? No. Do I feel upset about having seen (and changed) some thirty+ jokes around here about male characters/men being not worth basic consideration for dressing in pink, about female characters/women ''not'' having pink in their look (which adds to the stereotype where it is averted), and female characters/women in pink being inherently inferior to ones who aren't? A little. And I can give you the full list if you want me to. It just is not about you, it's about everything.
::::::All I ask for is a different joke, one that doesn't serve to rebuild a collection I've tried to kill off. If only because repetitive jokes are a reading enjoyment-killer.
::::::P.S., ItsWalky, don't assume I don't know feminism. It's condescending and kind of a weird assumption given the conversation so far. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:39, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::At no point did I assume you didn't know feminism. In fact, I wrote my entire spiel with the exact opposite assumption. The term "cisgendered" isn't exactly thrown around by the unequipped. If I wrote at-length or in great detail, it's because this topic is complicated and this is not a private conversation between you and I, plus I thought explaining my thoughts plainly and clearly was better than being curt and snarky. Once again you assume the worst in others without first attempting to understand them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:28, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::(As an aside, I always assumed Arc was pink merely because those are Arcee's secondary colors.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:36, 23 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Alright, critique withdrawn. I was thrown off by the fairly elaborate explanation of the Bechdel Test and color pink, and the reassertion I'd been targeting M Sipher rather than, you know, the joke.
::::::::Whereas my request for another joke is standing, I also withdraw concerns for an immediate change. There's a reason I can name all instances of a pink joke on this wiki, and once it's finished I could as well try to kick off a community discussion with it that better communicates the problem. Which is not, and never was, one person/man's doing. Nor did I say that. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:27, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:50, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

== Kickshift ==
Alright, not that I'm trying to accuse you of something and piss you off more than you already are, but do you know anything about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User:AutobotKickshift?oldid=391195 this]? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 20:30, 14 October 2012 (EDT)
:1) Who said I'm pissed off? It takes a LOT more than a run-of-the-mill twit to piss me off. 2) That's Wikia. I don't GO there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:43, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

== Shield Master O.P. A ==

I was lurking at the Allspark, and noticed you made a thread about O.P. A. For your information, the O.P. A you have may be an error. I own the Shield Master set, and my O.P. A has a light-teal/light-blue crystal instead of the medium-blue crystal color of the Cosmotector trio. Hope this helps. [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 04:43, 18 October 2012 (EDT)

== Deadlock (episode) ==

Why did you undo my edit on [[Deadlock|this]] page? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 00:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)
: You were adding unnecessary commentary, versus information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 3 August 2013 (EDT)
:: Can't you just edit the page, not undoing the edit? Can't we have a little fun here? The page don't need fun, so why you wrote the caption of the pictures with it? My edit is incomplete, why don't you edit and complete it? My grammar is poor, why don't you fix it? My edit is uninformative, why don't you fix the uninformative part? My edit is unnecessary, why don't you ¡UNDO IT AND TELL ME if my edit isn't necessary? My edit is full of mistakes and should be fixed, why don't you ¡FIX IT AND TELL ME so I can make myself better? --[[User:Andreanromanky18|Andreanromanky18]] ([[User talk:Andreanromanky18|talk]]) 02:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC+7)

== White Ironfist vs. Tan Ironfist ==

I admit I based my note off the screencaps on his page, which seemed to indicate that Fisitron's two biggest portrayals (otherwise known as his only portrayals) replaced the tan of his toy with white. Given that, why remove my note when it seemed to be accurate? Or am I just colour-blind? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:06, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:Because he's tan. I've got LSOTW right in front of me and he is consistently tan. It's a lighter, more desaturated tan, but EVERYONE'S colors are lighter and desaturated. That's IDW's look. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:13, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::Ah, okay. Guess that's my bad for trying to extrapolate a pattern without having the comics on hand. So much for contributing outside of reverting anonymous morons and the occasional caption...he is still white in WoH, though, right? Can I take consolation in being half-right? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:49, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
:::He is very white in WoH. But, yeah, tan in LSOTW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:54, 29 August 2013 (EDT)
::::Righto. Complaint withdrawn. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 04:36, 30 August 2013 (EDT)

== Divide and Conquer ==

I believe it to be a deliberate reference, but if this has been discussed and decided against, that's fair enough; It being deleted with reason is fine by me, but deletion of something I deemed valid without reasons given understandably led me to add it again. Also, i'd rather a more diplomatic approach than just 'do not post this again'-like I said, I was unaware that I was in error. --[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 23:47, 4th September 2013
:The reason was given TWICE, and you added it again afterward anyway. And no, this wiki is not in the habit of listing every vague coincidence as intentional reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:57, 4 September 2013 (EDT)

I've already said that I understand that decision. I'm a newcomer here, so i'll take this opportunity to apologise for irritating behaviour but also plead ignorance in that I didn't know better. Despite accepting that I may have accidentally caused irritation, I have to admit that your reaction has been a bit arsey and very newcomer-unfriendly.--[[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]] 01:21, 4th September 2013

== Soundwave ==

I find your decision to remove my comment on Soundwave being present during PR due to being 'unnecessary' odd, to be honest. How many entries under notes sections are 'necessary'? I found this to be of interest, and interest is subjective. What I said was not incorrect, nor did it present a problem. I think you've made an unfair decision here. Can you really delete other people's contributions based on what you think is interesting?
:Soundwave is completely absent from the movie, thoroughly irrelevant to the plot in every respect. It'd be like commenting on the lack of humans, Airachnid, Insecticons or Decepticon miners. We don't remark on the absences of cast members unless said absence poses continuity issues. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:58, 13 October 2013 (EDT)

Your response was pretty definitive, and I'm not trying to be obnoxious by continuing this, but my point was that he probably was present; it was a 'Soundwave is actually there the whole time' comment, not vice versa. However,another contributor has since pointed out that, as we can't be sure of Soundwave's actions between the movie and the episode, his whereabouts can't be proved and so my comment was speculative, which to my mind is reason enough to not include it, but I found your reasoning less understandable.
I appreciate that it was an inconsequential bit of trivia, but then many of the notes on this wiki seem equally, if not less trivial, so i'm wondering what constitutes acceptable notes? [[User:Rhysman|Rhysman]]

== Re:Random Kreon in Beast Hunters set? ==

I'm not sure. The scan of the instructions the guy posted showed it had a different color scheme from the first Kreon version of Knock Out. But if it does turn out to be random, feel free to remove it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 20:35, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

== Hero Mashers ==

I think you have to clarify more than "Fuck this noise" when you're merging all the Hero Mashers back despite them having their own universal stream cluster. Canon's not really on your side. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:08, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
:I left the (HM) pages intact so "canon" can be appeased. There's canon, and then there's stupidly obfuscating information by not having blatantly-based-on-specific-iterations-of-characters merch on the relevant pages because of some micro-reference in something the overwhelming majority of readership will basically never see. We do readers a disservice with the latter. I don't like just assuming someone's going to dig through a disambig link chain to maybe find stuff like this, and since we repeat full toy sections for repurposings, I don't see why repeating Hero Mashers or the like would be a problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:15, 10 May 2015 (EDT)
::That's fair enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:16, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

==Intruders==

Are the Intruders who built Medusa the same as the Intruders from G.I. Joe? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:09, 18 July 2015 (EDT)

== Spambots ==

There's another one: [[User:Sdsfs]] -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:24, 3 February 2016 (EST)

==Misdirection==

I tried, i changed the file type, and i did a multiple image upload, so i couldnt give them all a correct discription. Will they be readded, or shall i do them individually? -
Junkheap117
Also, you need to calm your shit. It's just a fucking unofficial website, and you go on like it means the world to you. GET A FUCKING LIFE.
:Guess who's getting a time-out? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:34, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

==Angry Birds Transformers Characters and Accessories==
Thanks for taking the time to fill in information for the Angry Birds Transformers characters.
So far we're still missing comphrehensive profiles for Chuck, Hal, and the Minion Pig seekers. Could you also 'spice up' Red's Ultimate, Nemesis, and Epic Optimus Prime's profiles? (I wrote those profiles, but they're just information basic.)

The current Challenge event is for getting both Bumblebees' accessories, so for this and future events, could you make sure to get the gem costs of the accessories ''before'' getting them with tokens? Or else would take extra replaying from scratch to figure out the what the original gem costs were.

Also, some of the accessories were token-only exclusives, so you may have to change the cost columns for the accessories tables a bit.
--[[User:Woo224|Woo224]] ([[User talk:Woo224|talk]]) 23:14, 8 September 2016 (EDT)

==Uploads==

Hi, im a new user and when i upload an image it says i dont have permission to creat a new page. I have multiple screenshots from the new RID episode but i cant uplaod them, Any ideas? Thanks
--[[User:Hardshell101|Hardshell101]]

== Apology ==

Sorry about disrupting your work on the ''Combiner Wars'' toyline page. I didn't think you had progressed down that far yet. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:25, 2 October 2016 (EDT)

== Hiding pages from Recent Changes? ==

I had no idea my personal page edits were cluttering up the Recent Changes page; my bad. Is it possible for me to just hide everything under my username page from Recent Changes? I just find it much easier to work on individual subsections... but given how many there are it's going to keep cluttering RC until I'm done (and I keep wanting to make tweaks here and there). Thanks. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:52, 27 February 2017 (EST)
:Just noticed the "Minor edit" checkbox; I'll use that from now on for my stuff. Sorry again for my posts. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 13:54, 27 February 2017 (EST)

== Model Numbers? ==

Hey, I noticed that you've deleted model numbers off of most of the toyline pages, which is very useful information. I registered to place them back in, but after a couple pages I notice that somebody undid them already. Apologies if I went about this wrong, but how can we get the model #'s reinstated onto the collection pages? =)

User talk:Saix

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Fronkinsteen: /* Missed the joke */

Interesting that you think she's an Earthling... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 20:24, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
:Well, "Galen Witwicky", so I assumed. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:38, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
::I'm wagering that this involves a human/Nebulon interspecies relationship! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:43, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

==E-Hobby Starscream==
You guys share links from seibertron but if I want to share it from deviantart, that's bad? I mean the user that published those pages in deviantart is E-Hobby's official user page.(I think).--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 11:36, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
:It's not e-Hobby that's putting those pages on DeviantArt. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
::Hmm ok then, but still Seibertron is a fan site too, right?--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 12:16, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

==Joke about Legends Arcee==
If my joke offend you or simply not funny, sorry about that. I'm just joking about sexist tendencies of Japanese culture. In fact, most famous and badass woman transformer only doing cook and wipe Rattrap's ass in this comic.—[[User:MWM|MWM]] ([[User talk:MWM|talk]]) 11:01, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:Don't worry, I'm not angry. I got what you meant with the joke, but it was still iffy, since it's hard for a reader to tell if it's serious or a criticism of the comic. I appreciate that you took the time to uploaded the image! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:12, 21 March 2015 (EDT)

== 3-D Diorama? ==
Say, where did you find these? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:30, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www.tf-base.ru/comics_manga.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:32, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks![[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Ugh...they're all CBR files my computer can't access. Thanks for the link thought. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:::They're just renamed rar files. Change the file extension to .rar and upzip them [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:39, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

== Magmatron ==

Thanks for the back up there. I THOUGHT I remembered it being the standard but didn't want to remove it without checking so I just cleaned up the grammar. Might possibly be put on the page for the toyline itself, but not sure if it is really worth noting.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:30, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

== About the Hero Mashers ==

So I guess while you were putting them where they would go, BotCon's official Andromeda's Facebook page went ahead and made it a seperate cluster from anything before. [https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1128571057169997&id=1099425733417863] [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:51, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

== Sequel series = splinter timelines? ==

Can you show me where this piece of information comes from? I have never heard of this idea before; doesn't it nullify the entire concept of continuities? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:10, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this interpretation, but it doesn't nullify continuity. Series A happens, then series B happens as a sequel to A. A is definitely the past of B, but that doesn't mean B is the future of A. We have several instances of this happening, notably the Marvel G1 continuity. G2, A Distant Time & Place, Regeneration One, and Classics are all explicitly sequels to Marvel US G1, but are mutually incompatible. Hell, Beast Wars (the cartoon) was implicitly a sequel to both Marvel US G1 AND the Sunbow Cartoon. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:21, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::So then the U.S. ''Cybertron'' cartoon is not part of [[Aurex 802.23 Alpha]]? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:23, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:::It is when it is. The events of the US cartoon are completely relevant -if not fundamental- to the rest of the events on this page. Universal streams are not completely separate timelines. They blend and weave into each other and flow from larger sources, like, you know, '''streams'''. A single cartoon can be part of multiple streams AND its own all at the same time. I swear, people just look at "OOH NUMBERS" and forget the accompanying text that gives context to the numbers, and trip over themselves to be soooooooo clever in splitting up shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:33, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::::Well said. And let's be wary of letting the tail wag the dog here. The primary source text should always be, well, primary. Or, in other words, which are you going to believe, your own eyes or something that was published in code in a source book (or in a Japanese Manga with a print run in the hundreds or the like.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:47, 15 May 2015 (EDT)

== Mandarin Names ==

Hello, thanks for adding information. However, please do change the spelling for Taiwanese Mandarin Name because the spelling in Taiwan is different from the Hanyu Pinyin in China. Thanks. :D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:17, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

== Universal streams ==

Looks like we're both working on the same parts of the wiki at the same time. I'll take a break, I have homework anyway. Thanks for fixing up my code. I appreciate the help. (Even if I think you're wrong about Zarak.) --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:47, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== List of characters whose dimensional classification is unknown ==

There's also [[Gaiacross]] and his components. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:07, 27 June 2015 (EDT)

== Shell Game characters ==

If this wiki now accepts that RID Optimus-redeco [[Defensor (OTFCC)|Defensor]] is [[Viron]], then is it alright to do the same to the other "[[Shell Game]]" universe characters? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:36, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

==Regeneration One==

Regeneration One is explicitly a sequel to Marvel G1 continuity and belongs sequentially after it in write-ups. That's how the stories are presented, that's how it was branded, that's how the creators want it, and that's how we've written it up. If you want to rearrange things, make a case on a relevant talk page.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:44, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:You're really imperious for somebody who just started editing two months ago. ("How the creators want it"? Do you have personal correspondence with Furman on wiki organization?) None of the pages you've reverted actually contain Marvel US G1, which Regeneration One is a sequel to. You are linking together fiction that has nothing to do with each other in regard to those characters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:01, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::Sorry, I didn't realize that my tenure wasn't long enough to disagree with a six-month veteran like yourself. It's bizarre to not acknowledge that ReGeneration One and Marvel UK don't spring from the same tree and put leagues of fiction between them. And, if I'm "imperious," what are you? You're constantly changing around organizational elements with no discussion, based on whatever new scheme you've come up with. For someone whose been here well under a year, you certainly have strong opinions. I at least lurked for a long while to get the culture. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:03, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:::There's a difference between disagreement and acting like the authority on wiki organization and article writeups because apparently you're the only one who lurked. "Organizational elements" have frequently changed based on users' whims; section reorganization isn't anything new and the last major one was done purely by two users without input from others. In regards to MUK and RG1, it's not the job of character pages to establish points of continuity that aren't relevant to the actual subject of the article. The various versions of Jhiaxus have absolutely nothing to do with each other and putting them under one "continuity" is a ridiculous pretense with no benefit. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:26, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::::Separating RG1 (and Classics) into their own sections would be a major change to a large number of pages and there's been no discussion about it. If you want to do it, there should be talk first so everyone else knows what's going on. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 21:28, 11 August 2015 (GMT)
::::: And I've asked about it on http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Reorganising_Regeneration_One to see what people think. If it's ayes, then it's off to the edits! [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 23:15, 11 August 2015 (GMT)

==Characters with no confirmed universal origin==

Question... have we not specified [[Ramulus|Longhorn (Universe)]] and [[Sunstorm (Universe)]]? Just want to be sure I'm not missing something. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:26, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:No, I just forgot to update. Sorry! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:27, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you, your list is a handy reference.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:34, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Whilst this is being talked about, it's probably worth noting that RTS Strafe hasn't ''reeeaaaally'' had its universe confirmed - it was merged with G1 Strafe for some convoluted reason during the 'AOE Strafe is a counterpart of G1 Strafe' debacle and probably should've been unmerged after all that nonsense was undone. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:16, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:I'm mostly fine with just assuming he's G1 based on context, but I'd send in a question if you want confirmation. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:30, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Hey, Saix, should ''Universe'' 2003 [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreen (unreleased)]] be on your list as well? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:21, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== BW Metals manga ==

Do you still have the BW Metals manga scans? The links on the talk page are dead. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 16:48, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/0t4p8rcK/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/dWpVVb7v/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ZXqkMXea/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ch91fgKi/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/M6MwWTaV/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/jCLxuohn/file.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:54, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

==Italics==
Hey, man, saw you unitalicizing [[Ask Vector Prime]]. I don't really care one way or the other, but I seem to see it italicized a lot. Is there a policy or system to this? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:06, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
:AVP isn't a work or a franchise, so it doesn't get italicized. It's something like {{w|Dear Abby}}—a column. Chicago style of editing says columns don't get either quotation marks or italics. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:13, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
::That's fine for me going forward. There's a LOT of AVP where it's in italics though. If you're ever feeling like a quest, rooting them all out might be worth doing. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:15, 24 September 2015 (EDT)

==Gong==
Knock it off. It's fine the way it is now. Stop reverting each other. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 12:43, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

You were right. I was wrong. Making all the Guardians and Renegades convinced me of that. I apologize to you for my childishness. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 13:01, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:Not needed, but thank you nonetheless for the apology. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:30, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

== Stealth Bomber ==

I see that you put a redlink to [[Stealth Bomber]] on [[Stealth Saber]] and [[Victory Bomber]]'s pages. Did you intend that someone else would pick that redlink up to create a page for Stealth Bomber or did you think that Stealth Bomber didn't merit an individual page? I've wondered about such a thing as we have an individual page for RiD [[Dreadwing (RID)|Dreadwing]] but not for BWII [[Formation Scream]], G2 Megatron+Starscream, and G2 Dreadwing+Smokescreen. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:31, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
:I think it warrants a page, hence the link. I was just too lazy to make that page in particular. Formation Scream should also get its own page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:57, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

== Disagreements ==

I saw what you wrote on the Community Portal. I can't speak for others but, though we often disagree, I do value your input and perspective. Also, it makes the times we do agree that much more meaningful. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:58, 2 November 2015 (EST)
:Speaking of, there's a contentious GoBots issue on Community Portal, should screen captures be included for character pages or not. I would be interested to hear you weigh in. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:07, 3 November 2015 (EST)

== Devisiun ==
I understand you may not like the speculative tone, but was it really necessary to also delete the plausible explanation that the secondary star may be encased in a [[wikipedia:dyson sphere|Dyson sphere]]? After all, the text clearly refer to a double star and one of the celestial body represented seems to produce a lot of light. (Besides having spot the same color than the "single" star of said same picture.) Damn... I was only trying to be thorough and objective. How could I contact Scott online so that the answer would be considered by this wiki? -- [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 06:11, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:I'm not Saix, but to quote the [[Help:Contents|wiki's main help page]]: "Speculation to fill gaps should be minimized, and preferably eliminated entirely." It's fine to note the inconsistency, but an extended account of possible explanations is unnecessary. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 06:46, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:Understood. Thanks, I'll sleep better now. But I'm still going to run a Tranformers RPG campaign and feel that this question may deserve an answer. So the second part of my inquiry remains. Since I will try to ask, where and how such a thing should be done so that the information could validly be forwarded on this wiki? [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 07:04, 16 December 2015 (EST)
::Scott has Twitter and Tumblr accounts you can engage her on. But, honestly? You're looking for complexity where there isn't any. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:::I have to agree. Most casual sci-fi fans don't know what Dyson spheres are, and the concept has never featured in ''Transformers'', as far as I'm aware. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 09:15, 16 December 2015 (EST)

== Your JG1 timeline list ==

Hey, that list on your user page is awesome and really helpful. Though, the Prime AM-28 Leo Prime bio also contains some JG1 info, set post-BWN before he jumps over to Uniend (or over to Gargent, then Nexus, then finally Uniend, as claimed by AVP, but I digress). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:36, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:Thanks for the reminder. I mostly constructed it so I would have something to check when organizating fiction sections. Let me know if I'm missing anything else. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:31, 18 December 2015 (EST)
::Will do. EDIT: Tale of the Pretenders is missing. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:53, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:The G1 GoBots thing might or might not come before Car Robots in a present day sense as the Spychangers came from the future anyway, so the GoBots bio would simply have to come before whatever point in time the Spychangers traveled back in time from. Though, given how things like Binaltech, RobotMasters, and Kiss Players all take place in the timeline at points contemporary to their releases in the real world, perhaps the G1 GoBots bio does as well, taking place somewhere in 2004 (in hindsight, I wish I had asked Sakamoto about this).
:On a different note, the bios for e-HOBBY New Years Lambor and Alert are missing, which should probably go after G-2 but before the two post-G-2 e-HOBBY manga. Also the bio for Magnificus and Ga'mede and the bio for Generations Magnificus, the latter of which would go prior to Badlands, while the former... somewhere years earlier (not sure where, though). And the bios for e-HOBBY Crosscut and Road Rage, which would most likely go after the Super Spychangers but before Binaltech. Any other missing e-HOBBY bios can be found [http://www.e-hobbymagazine.com/category/english/museun_en here] (barring those that lack links, that is). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:19, 22 April 2016 (EDT)

== Italics in establishment names ==

From what I've researched, I have to agree that establishment names aren't capitalized. However, that's how [[The Blue Deployer]] is rendered in the ''TransTech'' text stories. Think that's worth noting under "Errors"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:16, 19 December 2015 (EST)
:I guess. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:17, 19 December 2015 (EST)

== Just to avoid any edit wars over pastel horses... ==
I understand that the captions are about humor over anything else, but maybe the caption should at least be a ''little'' less confrontational in tone? I'm not against humor in the article itself, but that opening caption's not exactly ''good'' humor. It's more mean-spirited than simple jokeyness that this wiki thrives upon; so I decided that a joke about Bumblebee's kid-appeal nature (and thus perceptiveness to what's popular with kids) would be a bit less potentially divisive overall, and less likely to appear mean-spirited.

I expect that sort of tone in the articles for stuff like B.O.T, The Beast or Kiss Players, the really awful, terrible stuff we ''have'' to rip into pieces because of how bad they are, not an article on My Little Pony. It's kind of like opening, say, a Soundwave article by poking fun at his speech with a disabled joke in his first image caption because of his speech pattern; it's ''easy'' and can get a few laughs, but overall it's just not worth it because not everyone will find such jokes to be really funny. And above all else, I'd like to think that we as a community are above those sorts of cheap jokes just for a few laughs.

Not trying to come off as indignant here, honest. I'm just wondering if maybe the caption joke isn't really good in any capacity. And if a caption isn't funny, then really, we shouldn't defend it just because of longevity. We obviously need the funny to stay, but to ignore potentially valid points just for the sake of a joke seems...well, kind of odd for this Wiki. We're jokey, but nowhere unappropriate have I seen the wiki's captions actually being ''that'' harsh towards a subject.

It's also a jarring shift in tone to go from "Only the dead can know peace from this evil" as an opening caption to "Don't go looking for the Tooth Fairy without it!" as the next caption down the page. They're both aiming for humor, but one's more "Ha-ha look at this silly situation!" and the other is more "Ha-ha let's make a "ponies are evil" joke because it's teh funnies!".

Again, not wanting to look entitled; but I'm curious about why the edit was reverted so quickly. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2015 (EST)

== SPOILERS ==

Please remember to use the Spoiler warning template when adding new material. I just stumbled across information you added to [[Lio Convoy]] about [[Sunrise]] before I had a chance to read it. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 08:56, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:I apologize. I'll try to remember not to do that again. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 8 January 2016 (EST)

== Moving images ==

Sorry about that. I thought it was a more efficient use of space to align the tops of the images with the headers. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:55, 12 January 2016 (EST)

==About Grimlock==
They're both from Viron universes, and both technically part of the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 Robots in Disguise]] continuity.
Someone could be all like, "Wait, I though RID's Grimlock was a big green backhoe. Who's this Dinosaur?"
Imagine if there were two Optimus Primes in one continuity, even if they looked completely different, would it not be within reason to distinct the two from one another?{{unsigned|PsychoShark}}
:Your hypothetical is ridiculous. Explain to me the process in which this situation would arise. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:01, 25 January 2016 (EST)
:Plus the disambig link at the top already exists. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:05, 25 January 2016 (EST)

While going through my talk page, I noticed that PsychoShark mentioned that the [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Grimlock_(Dinobots)&diff=next&oldid=1048629 note] he added to [[Grimlock (Dinobots)]] was based on a similar note from [[Slapper (Dinobots)]]. Seeing as how we've deemed the other one unnecessary, I thought you might want to remove the one on Slapper's page. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 07:44, 7 February 2016 (EST)

== Universal origins list ==

If it's of interest to you for your user page list, I've seen that [[Nitpick]], [[Comet]], [[Beamer (Autobot)|Beamer]], [[NightViper]], [[Kickstart]], [[Heavyfoot]], [[Ironclad]], [[Fastbreak]], [[Aston]], [[Miss-Q]], "[[Kamen Rider Amazon]]", [[Time Limit]], [[Clutch (GoBots)|Clutch]], and [[Warpath (GoBots)|Warpath]] all have indeterminate cluster origin, albeit that they're all intentionally ambiguous and/or their origins are unlikely to ever be revisited. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:57, 27 January 2016 (EST)

== eptitle ==

With screencaps for episodes whose titles have been disambiguated, you can use the "eptitle" parameter to set the text of the link different from the actual link. For example, with [[Volcano (episode)]] from RID, you would put

'''<nowiki>{{RID2001cap|description.|Volcano (episode)|</nowiki>1|eptitle=Volcano}}'''.

Then, the link will show up like this:
[[Volcano (episode)|Volcano]]

Nice work on all that cleanup, by the way. Cheers! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:33, 1 March 2016 (EST)

== Dinosaurs ==

Okay, examples to try and clarify:
*火星 means "Mars". The kanji, treated separately, are literally rendered as "Fire Planet", but still plainly mean "Mars". It's not just being used to "refer" to Mars, it's straight up the name the Japanese give to the celestial body the English call "Mars".
*固定電話 means "Landline Phone". The kanji, treated separately, render as "Hard-determined Electricity-talker".

As demonstrated in the dictionary entries I posted, Japanese dictionaries ''dont'' give readers the symbolic runaround that the Dinoforce pages were using -- they simply treat "Gairyuu" as the word for an Ankylosaurus. I suppose I may be being somewhat oversensitive, but choosing to render Japanese words in a symbolic breakdown like that, contrary to how it's intended to be interpreted, feels a lot like refusing to acknowledge that it even ''has'' words for these concepts, and feels kind of Tarzanesque? I don't feel it's removing information, since to a Japanese speaker, Gairyuu doesn't ''mean'' "Armored Dragon" -- it means Ankylosaurus, just like to an English speaker (or Greek, if you want), Ankylosaurus doesn't "fused lizard", it means a type of dinosaur with an armored back and club tail --fused lizard is just the root of the name.

In addition, while many Japanese names for Dinosaur use "ryuu" in a similar manner to how English uses "saur", "ryuu" itself does not mean dinosaur, nor are dinosaur called "ryuu" -- as with English, they are instead called "恐竜", or "Ferocious dragon". I mean, "-saur" would be a workable translation of "ryuu", no complaints, but as in English "saur" is used to refer to more than just dinosaurs (e.g. Pterosaurs, Plesiosaurs, etc.) And in fact, Pterosaurs and Plesiosaurs include 竜 in their Japanese rendering.

I definitely see the value in retaining the kanji meanings here, especially if that's a thing we're going to be doing with characters like Triceradon, too. But I think we should make it clear that those are the ''root'' of the names, rather than treating the Japanese names as if they don't have specific direct meanings that a Japanese speaker would recognize.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 01:11, 2 March 2016 (EST)

== Image of Comet ==

I see that you have uploaded good quality images from almost every Club story PDF. Is there any reason you haven't got the one of dead [[Comet]] in "[[Withered Hope]]"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 15 March 2016 (EDT)

==Other Decepticons==
Why can't you just leave that link in, it works perfectly well, and dont forget they also are alchemor inmates. I dont see the problem with just having that there. - Junkheap117
:Stop fucking obsessing over this. They are not actual characters, and your overall antics are exhausting my patience. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:57, 21 March 2016 (EDT)

== Blackarachnia talk page ==

I understand talk pages are not chat rooms. The reason I posted that was because the article itself seems to question why the chest is transparent, so I thought that might explain it. I didn't just go and edit the page because I knew it would be undone. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 21:03, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

== Being last seen ==

Here's my take, for what it's worth. A ''good'' write-up is not a list of things that happened one after the other. A good write-up is a story unto itself. It is the story of that character, and it should read as "complete". And when the cartoon or comic adventures of that character stops abruptly - when a character's final appearance is as a face in a crowd and they receive no personal "finale" - then it's the job of the write-up to note that they "were last seen"/"last appeared"/"made their final recorded appearance", etc, to bring that write-up's "story" to its end, instead of, essentially, just stopping in what reads as mid-story. The complete BWII write-up of the Autorollers just stops mid-story. It does not read as complete. At best, a reader's reaction is "Oh, huh, I guess that's it, then," instead of knowing that they are reading an end - but really, an less-informed reader has no reason to assume there isn't more just because there's isn't a stub saying so. We don't always have stubs! There shouldn't be any expectation on the reader to know that storylinked title is the final episode, if it even is. The write-up needs to say this is "the end" for that character. Yes, they return for a cameo in BWN, but that's a separate header. The were "last seen" during the battle on Gaea in that moment. It's no more "out of universe" than describing art or writing errors as "anomalous accounts" or "erroneous reports" is. I'm not getting into an edit war or even fighting to make this change; I'm just saying, it's pretty standard "handbook" write-up terminology, how I write mine, and how I will continue to write them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:05, 25 April 2016 (EDT)

== Hey ==

Here's some more BotCon Diamond bios: http://postimg.org/gallery/7wuis1oc/27b9edf7/ [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:15, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
:Cool, thanks. I'll have a look when I get home. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:37, 1 June 2016 (EDT)

== Can you identify anyone else? ==

So regarding the new in-development Transformers Online, I stumbled across a trailer of some characters and skills in action. Right now, I can only make out Jazz, Bumblebee, and probably Swindle. Can you tell if the rest of the transformers in this video resemble any other character? Thanks! --[[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 19:01, 2 August 2016 (EDT)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFTeBn-BS8

== Dinobot (RID) article ==

the dinobot were reference in prime season 3 were they not? RID 2015 is the sequel to prime is it not. so why are not adding prime to that page. Yes they were only reference. but still though wouldn't it make more sense for that cartoon in that dinobot section. i mean are more a sequel to the game when you stop to think about it. Also there is no evidence supporting the fact were referring to the fall of cybertron version of the dinobots.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 04:29, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
:At the time that Miko and Bulkhead made that reference, the RID Dinobot subspecies didn't even exist yet. There was no way that the Prime cartoon was referencing something that never existed at the time that it made the reference. The FOC Dinobots, however, did exist, and were part of an active attempt to better unify the Aligned media between the games, the tie-in comics, and the Prime cartoon. Miko's and Bulkhead's Dinobots reference only makes sense in regards to the FOC Dinobots since they were only Aligned Dinobots that existed at the time the reference was made. What you're asking is for us to declare Miko's and Bulkhead's reference as having been retconned into referring to a subspecies that would not come into existence until later on, yet there has been no official media that has made such a retcon. We as fans have ZERO authority on such matters and are not going to start declaring our own unofficial retcons for virtually no other reason than "because we want to", as you seem to want us to do. Besides, Bulkhead's referring to Dinobots as something "Totally different" from how the Predacons were like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species makes no sense in regards to the RID Dinobots, since the RID Dinobots for all intents and purposes do very much seem to be like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species while the FOC Dinobots were an artificially-created subgroup that very much does make them totally different from a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 11:19, 12 August 2016 (EDT)

== [[Roboid]] [[Nook]] ==

Isn't it generally TFWiki's practice to ''point out'' Easter eggs, homages, and the like? --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:10, 3 September 2016 (EDT)

== Regarding TFO edits ==

Saix, I know there is currently no official parameter and that it's not within the wiki's obligation to decide upon an arbitrary translation, but some of the transliterations, even by Chinese (BOTH Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese) standards, are just flat out nonsensical and frivolous. I hope you understand that there are multiple ways (via synonyms) to translate the hanzi, and I can speak from experience behind the screen as a bilingual Mandarin-English speaker, and as a professor's teaching assistant in Elementary Chinese irl. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 10:50, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:By transliteration, I assume you actually mean translation? I realize there is leeway in translation to convey the same idea in a different language, but some of your translations were still questionable and played too loose with the meaning of the hanzi, in my opinion. Take 命运之殇 in particular—I don't understand how you derived "war" out of it, unless you were going by Google translate, when it's a straightforward name based on the certain death it supposedly doles out (as opposed to "Destiny's War", which means absolutely nothing). Or how you got "Laser Wrench" from F型扳手. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
I didn't use Google Translate. I consulted with native speaking relatives and peers and utilized Systransoft.com as well as MDBG, which I find for both to be more adequate. Bluestreak's sniper rifle, from the hanzi I recognize, can have synonymous possibilities. Certainly, "Destiny" can be interchanged with "Fate", altho I will admit, the second half of the title can be considered as: "war casualty" or "death" in general. For the second example, there's clearly no resemblance to an actual F-Type Wrench whatsoever, so I find even calling that weapon an "F-Type" in practicality to be redundant. (I've been a workshop assistant for a good year or so, so I've been familiar enough with tools in the shed.) If anything, Wheeljack's Melee weapon is identified as a Pipe Wrench, so shame on Tencent for the misleading name. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 15:19, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:A wiki is not the place for creative "translations" that basically are localizations. If the name is literally "F-type Wrench", then it's F-type Wrench, regardless of how much you think it makes sense. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:39, 14 September 2016 (EDT)

== Deluge ==

first of all, i know the story has deluge as both, but in most universe, he's and his decepticon counterpart are there own individual. i was trying to make that clear to the people reading that story, but you thought i was too stupid to realize that, i mean yes the blackout thing was stupid on my part. but seriously you could have easily edited it to say that this Deluge is a amalgam of both version.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 21:29, 28 December 2016 (EST)

== Missed the joke ==
While I appreciate the effort to correct errors on the page bearing my name ([[Mark Baker-Wright]]), it should be noted that the word "misspelled" was misspelled (as "mispelled") on purpose....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock|talk]]) 18:21, 13 January 2017 (EST) (sorry to get to this so late. I actually don't go around looking at my own page that often)
:Ah, I was using an automated tool that does automatic corrections and wasn't really reading that closely. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:05, 13 January 2017 (EST)

==Model Numbers==
hey, i saw that you undid some of my edits for adding model numbers back into these wiki pages (apologies if i did it wrong!) - but how can we get these reinstated? that information is very useful, and should be on each of the main collection pages...

User talk:Saix

2017-03-03T19:05:37Z

Fronkinsteen:

Interesting that you think she's an Earthling... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 20:24, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
:Well, "Galen Witwicky", so I assumed. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:38, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
::I'm wagering that this involves a human/Nebulon interspecies relationship! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:43, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

==E-Hobby Starscream==
You guys share links from seibertron but if I want to share it from deviantart, that's bad? I mean the user that published those pages in deviantart is E-Hobby's official user page.(I think).--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 11:36, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
:It's not e-Hobby that's putting those pages on DeviantArt. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
::Hmm ok then, but still Seibertron is a fan site too, right?--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 12:16, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

==Joke about Legends Arcee==
If my joke offend you or simply not funny, sorry about that. I'm just joking about sexist tendencies of Japanese culture. In fact, most famous and badass woman transformer only doing cook and wipe Rattrap's ass in this comic.—[[User:MWM|MWM]] ([[User talk:MWM|talk]]) 11:01, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:Don't worry, I'm not angry. I got what you meant with the joke, but it was still iffy, since it's hard for a reader to tell if it's serious or a criticism of the comic. I appreciate that you took the time to uploaded the image! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:12, 21 March 2015 (EDT)

== 3-D Diorama? ==
Say, where did you find these? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:30, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www.tf-base.ru/comics_manga.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:32, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks![[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Ugh...they're all CBR files my computer can't access. Thanks for the link thought. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:::They're just renamed rar files. Change the file extension to .rar and upzip them [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:39, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

== Magmatron ==

Thanks for the back up there. I THOUGHT I remembered it being the standard but didn't want to remove it without checking so I just cleaned up the grammar. Might possibly be put on the page for the toyline itself, but not sure if it is really worth noting.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:30, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

== About the Hero Mashers ==

So I guess while you were putting them where they would go, BotCon's official Andromeda's Facebook page went ahead and made it a seperate cluster from anything before. [https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1128571057169997&id=1099425733417863] [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:51, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

== Sequel series = splinter timelines? ==

Can you show me where this piece of information comes from? I have never heard of this idea before; doesn't it nullify the entire concept of continuities? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:10, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this interpretation, but it doesn't nullify continuity. Series A happens, then series B happens as a sequel to A. A is definitely the past of B, but that doesn't mean B is the future of A. We have several instances of this happening, notably the Marvel G1 continuity. G2, A Distant Time & Place, Regeneration One, and Classics are all explicitly sequels to Marvel US G1, but are mutually incompatible. Hell, Beast Wars (the cartoon) was implicitly a sequel to both Marvel US G1 AND the Sunbow Cartoon. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:21, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::So then the U.S. ''Cybertron'' cartoon is not part of [[Aurex 802.23 Alpha]]? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:23, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:::It is when it is. The events of the US cartoon are completely relevant -if not fundamental- to the rest of the events on this page. Universal streams are not completely separate timelines. They blend and weave into each other and flow from larger sources, like, you know, '''streams'''. A single cartoon can be part of multiple streams AND its own all at the same time. I swear, people just look at "OOH NUMBERS" and forget the accompanying text that gives context to the numbers, and trip over themselves to be soooooooo clever in splitting up shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:33, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::::Well said. And let's be wary of letting the tail wag the dog here. The primary source text should always be, well, primary. Or, in other words, which are you going to believe, your own eyes or something that was published in code in a source book (or in a Japanese Manga with a print run in the hundreds or the like.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:47, 15 May 2015 (EDT)

== Mandarin Names ==

Hello, thanks for adding information. However, please do change the spelling for Taiwanese Mandarin Name because the spelling in Taiwan is different from the Hanyu Pinyin in China. Thanks. :D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:17, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

== Universal streams ==

Looks like we're both working on the same parts of the wiki at the same time. I'll take a break, I have homework anyway. Thanks for fixing up my code. I appreciate the help. (Even if I think you're wrong about Zarak.) --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:47, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== List of characters whose dimensional classification is unknown ==

There's also [[Gaiacross]] and his components. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:07, 27 June 2015 (EDT)

== Shell Game characters ==

If this wiki now accepts that RID Optimus-redeco [[Defensor (OTFCC)|Defensor]] is [[Viron]], then is it alright to do the same to the other "[[Shell Game]]" universe characters? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:36, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

==Regeneration One==

Regeneration One is explicitly a sequel to Marvel G1 continuity and belongs sequentially after it in write-ups. That's how the stories are presented, that's how it was branded, that's how the creators want it, and that's how we've written it up. If you want to rearrange things, make a case on a relevant talk page.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:44, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:You're really imperious for somebody who just started editing two months ago. ("How the creators want it"? Do you have personal correspondence with Furman on wiki organization?) None of the pages you've reverted actually contain Marvel US G1, which Regeneration One is a sequel to. You are linking together fiction that has nothing to do with each other in regard to those characters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:01, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::Sorry, I didn't realize that my tenure wasn't long enough to disagree with a six-month veteran like yourself. It's bizarre to not acknowledge that ReGeneration One and Marvel UK don't spring from the same tree and put leagues of fiction between them. And, if I'm "imperious," what are you? You're constantly changing around organizational elements with no discussion, based on whatever new scheme you've come up with. For someone whose been here well under a year, you certainly have strong opinions. I at least lurked for a long while to get the culture. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:03, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:::There's a difference between disagreement and acting like the authority on wiki organization and article writeups because apparently you're the only one who lurked. "Organizational elements" have frequently changed based on users' whims; section reorganization isn't anything new and the last major one was done purely by two users without input from others. In regards to MUK and RG1, it's not the job of character pages to establish points of continuity that aren't relevant to the actual subject of the article. The various versions of Jhiaxus have absolutely nothing to do with each other and putting them under one "continuity" is a ridiculous pretense with no benefit. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:26, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::::Separating RG1 (and Classics) into their own sections would be a major change to a large number of pages and there's been no discussion about it. If you want to do it, there should be talk first so everyone else knows what's going on. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 21:28, 11 August 2015 (GMT)
::::: And I've asked about it on http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Reorganising_Regeneration_One to see what people think. If it's ayes, then it's off to the edits! [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 23:15, 11 August 2015 (GMT)

==Characters with no confirmed universal origin==

Question... have we not specified [[Ramulus|Longhorn (Universe)]] and [[Sunstorm (Universe)]]? Just want to be sure I'm not missing something. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:26, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:No, I just forgot to update. Sorry! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:27, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you, your list is a handy reference.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:34, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Whilst this is being talked about, it's probably worth noting that RTS Strafe hasn't ''reeeaaaally'' had its universe confirmed - it was merged with G1 Strafe for some convoluted reason during the 'AOE Strafe is a counterpart of G1 Strafe' debacle and probably should've been unmerged after all that nonsense was undone. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:16, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:I'm mostly fine with just assuming he's G1 based on context, but I'd send in a question if you want confirmation. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:30, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Hey, Saix, should ''Universe'' 2003 [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreen (unreleased)]] be on your list as well? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:21, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== BW Metals manga ==

Do you still have the BW Metals manga scans? The links on the talk page are dead. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 16:48, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/0t4p8rcK/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/dWpVVb7v/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ZXqkMXea/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ch91fgKi/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/M6MwWTaV/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/jCLxuohn/file.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:54, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

==Italics==
Hey, man, saw you unitalicizing [[Ask Vector Prime]]. I don't really care one way or the other, but I seem to see it italicized a lot. Is there a policy or system to this? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:06, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
:AVP isn't a work or a franchise, so it doesn't get italicized. It's something like {{w|Dear Abby}}—a column. Chicago style of editing says columns don't get either quotation marks or italics. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:13, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
::That's fine for me going forward. There's a LOT of AVP where it's in italics though. If you're ever feeling like a quest, rooting them all out might be worth doing. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:15, 24 September 2015 (EDT)

==Gong==
Knock it off. It's fine the way it is now. Stop reverting each other. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 12:43, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

You were right. I was wrong. Making all the Guardians and Renegades convinced me of that. I apologize to you for my childishness. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 13:01, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:Not needed, but thank you nonetheless for the apology. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:30, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

== Stealth Bomber ==

I see that you put a redlink to [[Stealth Bomber]] on [[Stealth Saber]] and [[Victory Bomber]]'s pages. Did you intend that someone else would pick that redlink up to create a page for Stealth Bomber or did you think that Stealth Bomber didn't merit an individual page? I've wondered about such a thing as we have an individual page for RiD [[Dreadwing (RID)|Dreadwing]] but not for BWII [[Formation Scream]], G2 Megatron+Starscream, and G2 Dreadwing+Smokescreen. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:31, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
:I think it warrants a page, hence the link. I was just too lazy to make that page in particular. Formation Scream should also get its own page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:57, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

== Disagreements ==

I saw what you wrote on the Community Portal. I can't speak for others but, though we often disagree, I do value your input and perspective. Also, it makes the times we do agree that much more meaningful. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:58, 2 November 2015 (EST)
:Speaking of, there's a contentious GoBots issue on Community Portal, should screen captures be included for character pages or not. I would be interested to hear you weigh in. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:07, 3 November 2015 (EST)

== Devisiun ==
I understand you may not like the speculative tone, but was it really necessary to also delete the plausible explanation that the secondary star may be encased in a [[wikipedia:dyson sphere|Dyson sphere]]? After all, the text clearly refer to a double star and one of the celestial body represented seems to produce a lot of light. (Besides having spot the same color than the "single" star of said same picture.) Damn... I was only trying to be thorough and objective. How could I contact Scott online so that the answer would be considered by this wiki? -- [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 06:11, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:I'm not Saix, but to quote the [[Help:Contents|wiki's main help page]]: "Speculation to fill gaps should be minimized, and preferably eliminated entirely." It's fine to note the inconsistency, but an extended account of possible explanations is unnecessary. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 06:46, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:Understood. Thanks, I'll sleep better now. But I'm still going to run a Tranformers RPG campaign and feel that this question may deserve an answer. So the second part of my inquiry remains. Since I will try to ask, where and how such a thing should be done so that the information could validly be forwarded on this wiki? [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 07:04, 16 December 2015 (EST)
::Scott has Twitter and Tumblr accounts you can engage her on. But, honestly? You're looking for complexity where there isn't any. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:::I have to agree. Most casual sci-fi fans don't know what Dyson spheres are, and the concept has never featured in ''Transformers'', as far as I'm aware. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 09:15, 16 December 2015 (EST)

== Your JG1 timeline list ==

Hey, that list on your user page is awesome and really helpful. Though, the Prime AM-28 Leo Prime bio also contains some JG1 info, set post-BWN before he jumps over to Uniend (or over to Gargent, then Nexus, then finally Uniend, as claimed by AVP, but I digress). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:36, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:Thanks for the reminder. I mostly constructed it so I would have something to check when organizating fiction sections. Let me know if I'm missing anything else. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:31, 18 December 2015 (EST)
::Will do. EDIT: Tale of the Pretenders is missing. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:53, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:The G1 GoBots thing might or might not come before Car Robots in a present day sense as the Spychangers came from the future anyway, so the GoBots bio would simply have to come before whatever point in time the Spychangers traveled back in time from. Though, given how things like Binaltech, RobotMasters, and Kiss Players all take place in the timeline at points contemporary to their releases in the real world, perhaps the G1 GoBots bio does as well, taking place somewhere in 2004 (in hindsight, I wish I had asked Sakamoto about this).
:On a different note, the bios for e-HOBBY New Years Lambor and Alert are missing, which should probably go after G-2 but before the two post-G-2 e-HOBBY manga. Also the bio for Magnificus and Ga'mede and the bio for Generations Magnificus, the latter of which would go prior to Badlands, while the former... somewhere years earlier (not sure where, though). And the bios for e-HOBBY Crosscut and Road Rage, which would most likely go after the Super Spychangers but before Binaltech. Any other missing e-HOBBY bios can be found [http://www.e-hobbymagazine.com/category/english/museun_en here] (barring those that lack links, that is). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:19, 22 April 2016 (EDT)

== Italics in establishment names ==

From what I've researched, I have to agree that establishment names aren't capitalized. However, that's how [[The Blue Deployer]] is rendered in the ''TransTech'' text stories. Think that's worth noting under "Errors"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:16, 19 December 2015 (EST)
:I guess. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:17, 19 December 2015 (EST)

== Just to avoid any edit wars over pastel horses... ==
I understand that the captions are about humor over anything else, but maybe the caption should at least be a ''little'' less confrontational in tone? I'm not against humor in the article itself, but that opening caption's not exactly ''good'' humor. It's more mean-spirited than simple jokeyness that this wiki thrives upon; so I decided that a joke about Bumblebee's kid-appeal nature (and thus perceptiveness to what's popular with kids) would be a bit less potentially divisive overall, and less likely to appear mean-spirited.

I expect that sort of tone in the articles for stuff like B.O.T, The Beast or Kiss Players, the really awful, terrible stuff we ''have'' to rip into pieces because of how bad they are, not an article on My Little Pony. It's kind of like opening, say, a Soundwave article by poking fun at his speech with a disabled joke in his first image caption because of his speech pattern; it's ''easy'' and can get a few laughs, but overall it's just not worth it because not everyone will find such jokes to be really funny. And above all else, I'd like to think that we as a community are above those sorts of cheap jokes just for a few laughs.

Not trying to come off as indignant here, honest. I'm just wondering if maybe the caption joke isn't really good in any capacity. And if a caption isn't funny, then really, we shouldn't defend it just because of longevity. We obviously need the funny to stay, but to ignore potentially valid points just for the sake of a joke seems...well, kind of odd for this Wiki. We're jokey, but nowhere unappropriate have I seen the wiki's captions actually being ''that'' harsh towards a subject.

It's also a jarring shift in tone to go from "Only the dead can know peace from this evil" as an opening caption to "Don't go looking for the Tooth Fairy without it!" as the next caption down the page. They're both aiming for humor, but one's more "Ha-ha look at this silly situation!" and the other is more "Ha-ha let's make a "ponies are evil" joke because it's teh funnies!".

Again, not wanting to look entitled; but I'm curious about why the edit was reverted so quickly. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2015 (EST)

== SPOILERS ==

Please remember to use the Spoiler warning template when adding new material. I just stumbled across information you added to [[Lio Convoy]] about [[Sunrise]] before I had a chance to read it. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 08:56, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:I apologize. I'll try to remember not to do that again. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 8 January 2016 (EST)

== Moving images ==

Sorry about that. I thought it was a more efficient use of space to align the tops of the images with the headers. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:55, 12 January 2016 (EST)

==About Grimlock==
They're both from Viron universes, and both technically part of the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 Robots in Disguise]] continuity.
Someone could be all like, "Wait, I though RID's Grimlock was a big green backhoe. Who's this Dinosaur?"
Imagine if there were two Optimus Primes in one continuity, even if they looked completely different, would it not be within reason to distinct the two from one another?{{unsigned|PsychoShark}}
:Your hypothetical is ridiculous. Explain to me the process in which this situation would arise. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:01, 25 January 2016 (EST)
:Plus the disambig link at the top already exists. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:05, 25 January 2016 (EST)

While going through my talk page, I noticed that PsychoShark mentioned that the [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Grimlock_(Dinobots)&diff=next&oldid=1048629 note] he added to [[Grimlock (Dinobots)]] was based on a similar note from [[Slapper (Dinobots)]]. Seeing as how we've deemed the other one unnecessary, I thought you might want to remove the one on Slapper's page. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 07:44, 7 February 2016 (EST)

== Universal origins list ==

If it's of interest to you for your user page list, I've seen that [[Nitpick]], [[Comet]], [[Beamer (Autobot)|Beamer]], [[NightViper]], [[Kickstart]], [[Heavyfoot]], [[Ironclad]], [[Fastbreak]], [[Aston]], [[Miss-Q]], "[[Kamen Rider Amazon]]", [[Time Limit]], [[Clutch (GoBots)|Clutch]], and [[Warpath (GoBots)|Warpath]] all have indeterminate cluster origin, albeit that they're all intentionally ambiguous and/or their origins are unlikely to ever be revisited. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:57, 27 January 2016 (EST)

== eptitle ==

With screencaps for episodes whose titles have been disambiguated, you can use the "eptitle" parameter to set the text of the link different from the actual link. For example, with [[Volcano (episode)]] from RID, you would put

'''<nowiki>{{RID2001cap|description.|Volcano (episode)|</nowiki>1|eptitle=Volcano}}'''.

Then, the link will show up like this:
[[Volcano (episode)|Volcano]]

Nice work on all that cleanup, by the way. Cheers! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:33, 1 March 2016 (EST)

== Dinosaurs ==

Okay, examples to try and clarify:
*火星 means "Mars". The kanji, treated separately, are literally rendered as "Fire Planet", but still plainly mean "Mars". It's not just being used to "refer" to Mars, it's straight up the name the Japanese give to the celestial body the English call "Mars".
*固定電話 means "Landline Phone". The kanji, treated separately, render as "Hard-determined Electricity-talker".

As demonstrated in the dictionary entries I posted, Japanese dictionaries ''dont'' give readers the symbolic runaround that the Dinoforce pages were using -- they simply treat "Gairyuu" as the word for an Ankylosaurus. I suppose I may be being somewhat oversensitive, but choosing to render Japanese words in a symbolic breakdown like that, contrary to how it's intended to be interpreted, feels a lot like refusing to acknowledge that it even ''has'' words for these concepts, and feels kind of Tarzanesque? I don't feel it's removing information, since to a Japanese speaker, Gairyuu doesn't ''mean'' "Armored Dragon" -- it means Ankylosaurus, just like to an English speaker (or Greek, if you want), Ankylosaurus doesn't "fused lizard", it means a type of dinosaur with an armored back and club tail --fused lizard is just the root of the name.

In addition, while many Japanese names for Dinosaur use "ryuu" in a similar manner to how English uses "saur", "ryuu" itself does not mean dinosaur, nor are dinosaur called "ryuu" -- as with English, they are instead called "恐竜", or "Ferocious dragon". I mean, "-saur" would be a workable translation of "ryuu", no complaints, but as in English "saur" is used to refer to more than just dinosaurs (e.g. Pterosaurs, Plesiosaurs, etc.) And in fact, Pterosaurs and Plesiosaurs include 竜 in their Japanese rendering.

I definitely see the value in retaining the kanji meanings here, especially if that's a thing we're going to be doing with characters like Triceradon, too. But I think we should make it clear that those are the ''root'' of the names, rather than treating the Japanese names as if they don't have specific direct meanings that a Japanese speaker would recognize.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 01:11, 2 March 2016 (EST)

== Image of Comet ==

I see that you have uploaded good quality images from almost every Club story PDF. Is there any reason you haven't got the one of dead [[Comet]] in "[[Withered Hope]]"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 15 March 2016 (EDT)

==Other Decepticons==
Why can't you just leave that link in, it works perfectly well, and dont forget they also are alchemor inmates. I dont see the problem with just having that there. - Junkheap117
:Stop fucking obsessing over this. They are not actual characters, and your overall antics are exhausting my patience. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:57, 21 March 2016 (EDT)

== Blackarachnia talk page ==

I understand talk pages are not chat rooms. The reason I posted that was because the article itself seems to question why the chest is transparent, so I thought that might explain it. I didn't just go and edit the page because I knew it would be undone. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 21:03, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

== Being last seen ==

Here's my take, for what it's worth. A ''good'' write-up is not a list of things that happened one after the other. A good write-up is a story unto itself. It is the story of that character, and it should read as "complete". And when the cartoon or comic adventures of that character stops abruptly - when a character's final appearance is as a face in a crowd and they receive no personal "finale" - then it's the job of the write-up to note that they "were last seen"/"last appeared"/"made their final recorded appearance", etc, to bring that write-up's "story" to its end, instead of, essentially, just stopping in what reads as mid-story. The complete BWII write-up of the Autorollers just stops mid-story. It does not read as complete. At best, a reader's reaction is "Oh, huh, I guess that's it, then," instead of knowing that they are reading an end - but really, an less-informed reader has no reason to assume there isn't more just because there's isn't a stub saying so. We don't always have stubs! There shouldn't be any expectation on the reader to know that storylinked title is the final episode, if it even is. The write-up needs to say this is "the end" for that character. Yes, they return for a cameo in BWN, but that's a separate header. The were "last seen" during the battle on Gaea in that moment. It's no more "out of universe" than describing art or writing errors as "anomalous accounts" or "erroneous reports" is. I'm not getting into an edit war or even fighting to make this change; I'm just saying, it's pretty standard "handbook" write-up terminology, how I write mine, and how I will continue to write them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:05, 25 April 2016 (EDT)

== Hey ==

Here's some more BotCon Diamond bios: http://postimg.org/gallery/7wuis1oc/27b9edf7/ [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:15, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
:Cool, thanks. I'll have a look when I get home. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:37, 1 June 2016 (EDT)

== Can you identify anyone else? ==

So regarding the new in-development Transformers Online, I stumbled across a trailer of some characters and skills in action. Right now, I can only make out Jazz, Bumblebee, and probably Swindle. Can you tell if the rest of the transformers in this video resemble any other character? Thanks! --[[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 19:01, 2 August 2016 (EDT)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFTeBn-BS8

== Dinobot (RID) article ==

the dinobot were reference in prime season 3 were they not? RID 2015 is the sequel to prime is it not. so why are not adding prime to that page. Yes they were only reference. but still though wouldn't it make more sense for that cartoon in that dinobot section. i mean are more a sequel to the game when you stop to think about it. Also there is no evidence supporting the fact were referring to the fall of cybertron version of the dinobots.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 04:29, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
:At the time that Miko and Bulkhead made that reference, the RID Dinobot subspecies didn't even exist yet. There was no way that the Prime cartoon was referencing something that never existed at the time that it made the reference. The FOC Dinobots, however, did exist, and were part of an active attempt to better unify the Aligned media between the games, the tie-in comics, and the Prime cartoon. Miko's and Bulkhead's Dinobots reference only makes sense in regards to the FOC Dinobots since they were only Aligned Dinobots that existed at the time the reference was made. What you're asking is for us to declare Miko's and Bulkhead's reference as having been retconned into referring to a subspecies that would not come into existence until later on, yet there has been no official media that has made such a retcon. We as fans have ZERO authority on such matters and are not going to start declaring our own unofficial retcons for virtually no other reason than "because we want to", as you seem to want us to do. Besides, Bulkhead's referring to Dinobots as something "Totally different" from how the Predacons were like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species makes no sense in regards to the RID Dinobots, since the RID Dinobots for all intents and purposes do very much seem to be like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species while the FOC Dinobots were an artificially-created subgroup that very much does make them totally different from a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 11:19, 12 August 2016 (EDT)

== [[Roboid]] [[Nook]] ==

Isn't it generally TFWiki's practice to ''point out'' Easter eggs, homages, and the like? --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:10, 3 September 2016 (EDT)

== Regarding TFO edits ==

Saix, I know there is currently no official parameter and that it's not within the wiki's obligation to decide upon an arbitrary translation, but some of the transliterations, even by Chinese (BOTH Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese) standards, are just flat out nonsensical and frivolous. I hope you understand that there are multiple ways (via synonyms) to translate the hanzi, and I can speak from experience behind the screen as a bilingual Mandarin-English speaker, and as a professor's teaching assistant in Elementary Chinese irl. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 10:50, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:By transliteration, I assume you actually mean translation? I realize there is leeway in translation to convey the same idea in a different language, but some of your translations were still questionable and played too loose with the meaning of the hanzi, in my opinion. Take 命运之殇 in particular—I don't understand how you derived "war" out of it, unless you were going by Google translate, when it's a straightforward name based on the certain death it supposedly doles out (as opposed to "Destiny's War", which means absolutely nothing). Or how you got "Laser Wrench" from F型扳手. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
I didn't use Google Translate. I consulted with native speaking relatives and peers and utilized Systransoft.com as well as MDBG, which I find for both to be more adequate. Bluestreak's sniper rifle, from the hanzi I recognize, can have synonymous possibilities. Certainly, "Destiny" can be interchanged with "Fate", altho I will admit, the second half of the title can be considered as: "war casualty" or "death" in general. For the second example, there's clearly no resemblance to an actual F-Type Wrench whatsoever, so I find even calling that weapon an "F-Type" in practicality to be redundant. (I've been a workshop assistant for a good year or so, so I've been familiar enough with tools in the shed.) If anything, Wheeljack's Melee weapon is identified as a Pipe Wrench, so shame on Tencent for the misleading name. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 15:19, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:A wiki is not the place for creative "translations" that basically are localizations. If the name is literally "F-type Wrench", then it's F-type Wrench, regardless of how much you think it makes sense. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:39, 14 September 2016 (EDT)

== Deluge ==

first of all, i know the story has deluge as both, but in most universe, he's and his decepticon counterpart are there own individual. i was trying to make that clear to the people reading that story, but you thought i was too stupid to realize that, i mean yes the blackout thing was stupid on my part. but seriously you could have easily edited it to say that this Deluge is a amalgam of both version.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 21:29, 28 December 2016 (EST)

== Missed the joke ==
While I appreciate the effort to correct errors on the page bearing my name ([[Mark Baker-Wright]]), it should be noted that the word "misspelled" was misspelled (as "mispelled") on purpose....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock|talk]]) 18:21, 13 January 2017 (EST) (sorry to get to this so late. I actually don't go around looking at my own page that often)
:Ah, I was using an automated tool that does automatic corrections and wasn't really reading that closely. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:05, 13 January 2017 (EST)

hey, i saw that you undid some of my edits for adding model numbers back into these wiki pages (apologies if i did it wrong!) - but how can we get these reinstated? that information is very useful, and should be on each of the main collection pages...

Talk:Transformers Unite Warriors

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Fronkinsteen:

Talk:Transformers Unite Warriors

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Fronkinsteen: Created page with "apologies if i'm doing this wrong - but how can we get the model numbers reinstated onto the wiki pages here? that information is rather valuable, and should be on the main c..."

apologies if i'm doing this wrong - but how can we get the model numbers reinstated onto the wiki pages here? that information is rather valuable, and should be on the main collection pages like this. please advise... =)

Talk:Transformers Legends (franchise)

2017-03-03T19:01:53Z

Fronkinsteen: /* Images */

Why is this at (franchise) rather than (toyline)? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 09:21, 23 September 2014 (EDT)
:I'm not sure, is Generations a franchise or toyline? This it TT's version of that. Plus it accompanies a manga so maybe that's it? [[User:GelsharkTown|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown|talk]]) 01:06, 18 January 2015 (EST)
::Personally, I'm leaning towards toyline. Legends is too small and not encompassing enough to be classified as a franchise. --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 03:53, 18 January 2015 (EST)
::: Agreed. So how do we change it? Contact an admin? [[User:GelsharkTown|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown|talk]]) 15:14, 22 January 2015 (EST)

==Images==
I added the requested logo as well as an image depicting a toy from this line and an example of the packaging. Did I do good? [[User:GelsharkTown|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown|talk]]) 01:06, 18 January 2015 (EST)
:Yes, yes you did. Well, for the most part, but it's a great start! :-) --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 03:53, 18 January 2015 (EST)
:: What else does this page need? [[User:GelsharkTown|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown|talk]]) 15:04, 18 January 2015 (EST)

==Model Numbers==
apologies, new here - but how can we get the model #'s reinstated onto the wiki pages? that information is quite valuable, and should've never been deleted off all the pages. please advise... =)

Talk:Transformers Legends (franchise)

2017-03-03T19:01:35Z

Fronkinsteen:

Why is this at (franchise) rather than (toyline)? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 09:21, 23 September 2014 (EDT)
:I'm not sure, is Generations a franchise or toyline? This it TT's version of that. Plus it accompanies a manga so maybe that's it? [[User:GelsharkTown|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown|talk]]) 01:06, 18 January 2015 (EST)
::Personally, I'm leaning towards toyline. Legends is too small and not encompassing enough to be classified as a franchise. --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 03:53, 18 January 2015 (EST)
::: Agreed. So how do we change it? Contact an admin? [[User:GelsharkTown|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown|talk]]) 15:14, 22 January 2015 (EST)

==Images==
I added the requested logo as well as an image depicting a toy from this line and an example of the packaging. Did I do good? [[User:GelsharkTown|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown|talk]]) 01:06, 18 January 2015 (EST)
:Yes, yes you did. Well, for the most part, but it's a great start! :-) --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 03:53, 18 January 2015 (EST)
:: What else does this page need? [[User:GelsharkTown|GelsharkTown]] ([[User talk:GelsharkTown|talk]]) 15:04, 18 January 2015 (EST)

apologies, new here - but how can we get the model #'s reinstated onto the wiki pages? that information is quite valuable, and should've never been deleted off all the pages. please advise... =)

Talk:Transformers: Generations (toyline)

2017-03-03T18:56:07Z

Fronkinsteen: /* On the subject of listing the comics */

Can we get a source on Blurr coming in a future wave? I thought that was an April Fool's joke. --Anon, 10:42, 26 April 2010
:[http://www.parrygamepreserve.com/newsDetail.php?jID=1325 Parry Game Preserve's March Q&A answers]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:23, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

== War for Cybertron ==

I don't know how much this means, but if you click on "War for Cybertron toys" on Hasbro's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War for Cybertron] page it brings up the whole first wave of Generations. I doubt that this in itself pulls Drift and Thrust into the ''[[Transformers: Prime]]'' [[continuity family]], but I suppose there is a small chance that this is the direction Hasbro is going. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:05, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
: It means nothing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Launch Date ==

-Have the toys hit retail yet? I havn't seen them anywhere, but the page doesn't say Wave 1 is "scheduled for release" anymore.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 12:25, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
:One can order them on Walmart.com, thus why there isn't the 'scheduled for release' template for Wave 1. Looking forward to them being sold at actual stores. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:08, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::They ARE being sold at actual stores. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:32, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Depends on where you are. Around here (NC) stores tend to be about 2 months behind NY/CA in getting things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:51, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::::My local Walmart seems to have many Wave 4 ROTF Deluxe toys left. Back on topic; thank you, Blackout, for sharing. Looking forward to seeing them at stores in my neck of the woods. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:26, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 2 coming out?

Speaking of Wave 2, it seems to me that Drift and Thrust are not part of Wave 1. WFC Optimus and Bumblebee have been at stores for about a month, but I havn't seen the former two.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 12:12, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
: This is because Toys R Us got an advance WFC-only case to promote WFC when WFC came out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:26, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

-I think Dirge and Blurr will be released by this christmas, as they weren't included in Cybertroncon's "Spring 2011" transformers,but they didn't mention Reflector or Cliffjumper did they?
::Dirge and Blurr are being shipped by BigBadToyStore right now. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:05, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 5 coming out?

DESPERATELY SEEKING BLURR!! I've seen reportrs of people buying him in stores, but I havn't seen him anywhere. Are these reports true? I don't want to miss out on this guy.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 18:57, 27 November 2010 (EST)

——They sure are true, I've got Dirge, Blurr, Cliffjumper and Thunderwing, maybe it's just your location.

== Other "Generations-like" packaged toys ==

There's a bunch of toys that are in Generations-like packaging that don't say Generations on it: the new Seacons set, the dollar-store Classics Mini-Con redecos, the ROTF Activators (and probably other stuff I've forgotten). Should we place them under Generations here and in their individual articles? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:40, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Thanks for the total lack of comments, guys. Good hustle. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:57, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
::Just put them under the subtitle-less toyline. If they were meant to be in Generations, they would have it on their boxes. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:03, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Here's one - Masterpiece Grimlock is in a subtitle-less Generations style red packaging, but Hasbro's presentation slides (from Toy Fair, I believe) place him in Universe. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:25, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

== War for Cybertron toys ==

"* Clicking "War For Cybertron Toys" on Hasbro's [http://www2.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War For Cybertron] webpage brings up the whole "Generations" toyline. Looking for War For Cybertron toys? Here you go." It also brings up some PCC toys. Hasbro just loves messing with us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:41, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

== Kup ==
Is Kup confirmed enough for inclusion on the page? With the picture on the battle in space 2 pack, it seems compleatly comfirmed.--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 19:38, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not until it's officially announced. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 19:39, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Pretty sure he was officially announced at BotCon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:56, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Not really. They were vague in that Hasbro way at best. And it's not like G1 guys don't get fictional redesigns with frequency. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:32, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::I don't think going "cough cough KUP cough cough" in answer to "which guys coming out can you not talk about" in front of hundreds of people is vague at all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:47, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Well, I didn't know that. I suppose I'd wait until slightly more solid confirmation, but I guess I admit defeat for now. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:49, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I would suggest holding off on adding Kup until we're sure which toyline he'll be part of: Generations, Transformers (2010 toyline), or possibly something else (which most likely would be improbable since the main part of 2011 would focus on the third movie). Just want to spare everyone the trouble of cutting and pasting from one article to another like what was done for Special Ops Jazz and Turbo Tracks. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:09, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I agree with this. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:11, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

== Gen 2 Optimus Prime ==

I know that Gen 2 Optimus has been announced, but he wasn't declared a 'Generations' toy, was he? I know I listed him as such on the G1 Optimus Prime toy article, but there's a possibility that I might have jumped the gun (like what was done with Special Ops Jazz). That's why I removed him from the list on this article (after adding him the day before). Meanwhile, I'll leave the Prime toy page as is until there's verification. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 11:24, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:I hate how Hasbro is handling this! They have separate toylines and separate fictions, but the toylines don't match up to the fictions! ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why couldn't "Transformers" just be movie line figures and "Generations" non-movie line figures? (Sidebar- Why do retailers seem to think that movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie toys? OTHER than TFs and Star Wars EVERY movie line seems to clog shelves for years! The two Hulk toy lines were taking up tons of space on shelves right next to each other!) Okay, end of ranting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:32, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:: I would imagine that retailers think to seem Transformers movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie Transformers toys because they very very obviously are. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:51, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Especially after the huge demands for Transformers toys that lead to empty shelves in 2007. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 11:58, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Huh. Haven't noticed such a huge disparity around here. TFs have pretty much had the same shelf space since RID and have sold pretty steadily (except maybe Energon). The only real jump in shelf space was when Movie, Universe and Animated were running concurrently. Even then all sold well, with Movie having the largest proportion of shelfwarmers. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:55, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

== Shouldn't Tracks, Jazz et al at least get a mention in the article ==
I know Hasbro ain't exactly making this easy for us with their confusing brand nomenclature, but shoudn't we making it easy for ourselves? I know this is simlar to the Kup and G2 Prime points above, but we currently do know how Jazz and Tracks are coming. They are obviously CHUG in design, though not in brand. They deserve a mention in the article. I would do it myself right now, but the more anankastic among us would automatically click the undo button and I couldn't be arsed wasting the effort in that particular style of edit war. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 07:34, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
:No, not if they aren't ''Generations''. They are listed on the ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers]]'' page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:47, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
::Crockalley had added a note that was then edited by me to say "The [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers 2010 toyline]] contains several toys with a design aesthetic similar to the Generations line. This led to confusion when fan expectations were contradicted by official Hasbro announcements." Is there consensus to leave this note, remove it entirely or edit it? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:05, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I say leave the note as is. Having two toylines, both of which has G1-based characters in them, does cause confusion. Hopefully Hasbro will do be better job of seperating characters if they have future branching main toylines. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:50, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
::::And another batch of expected Generations figures is revealed as 2010 line instead. Any bets on how much longer this remains an ongoing line? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:14, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
::::: For as long as Hasbro wants to maximize shelf space. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:24, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

I know this doesn't belong on this page's talk page, but we haven't really got a grasp on HFTD or Reveal the Shiled sublines of the other line. And right now giving each of those lines their own category is as a good as a suggestion as any (i.e not much). The retailiers are doing better job than us on this point. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 16:12, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:Actually after reading the discussion on Lugnut's talk page, and the more the I think of it, is Generations any more of a separate line than HFTD or RTS? Wouldn't it make as much sense as to incorpoarte Generations under Transformers 2010? A bit like how Universe 2008 had G1 series, War Within series, G2 series etc etc 15:59, 4 November 2010 (EDT)
::No, because Generations has a different style of packaging. Universe '08 had the same packaging while denoting which era the toys came from. HFTD and RTS is only a promo. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 16:22, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

== United ==
-I want to know more about the relationship between Generations and the united toyline...Is Generations releasing Wheeljack and Kup like United, or is United releasing additional transformers. Besides, when is United being released?
: We don't have official solicitations from Hasbro about Wheeljack or Kup, but there is no doubt that we'll see them over here. Takara wouldn't make those toys on their own; it just doesn't happen. As for release dates, the preorder pages on BigBadToyStore and the like will tell you that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:19, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Difficulty bar note ==

What is that note about the difficulty bar trying to say? What is the difficulty bar for in lines that aren't all deluxes? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:14, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:Normally, the difficulty bar denotes the size of the toy rather than how difficult it is to convert the toy (or so has been my observation). If you take a look on the packaging of past toys (and on the packaging of the Transformers (2010) toyline), you'll notice that ''all'' the Deluxe-sized toys has a difficulty rating of 3, ''all'' the Voyager-class toys has a rating of 4, etc. However, Universe '08 Onslaught (an Ultra-size toy with a difficulty rating of 4) was a cinch to transform while TF (2010) Ironhide (a Deluxe-sized toy with a difficulty rating of 3) was a pain in the....neck to convert (especially with that chest piece you had to get just right and then you move him a little and it pops out! '''Argh!!!'''). But with the 'Generations' line, Hasbro was kind enough to have individual ratings for the toys (as noted in the article). Therefore, if it says Cybertronian Bumblebee is a 4th-level difficulty toy, I'm not as aggrevated and less compelled to break the toy in half out of frustration ("You knew the danger when you took it", as one feathered superhero used to say). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 08:45, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::Some 2010 Deluxes have difficulty ratings of 4 now. Maybe Hasbro is rationalizing things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:41, 30 November 2010 (EST)

== Arcee and others ==

There was an interesting article on TFW showing some possible figures.[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/generations-arcee-and-warpath-listed-171232/] Is this source good enough for those too be added?--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 00:29, 8 January 2011 (EST)
:The article simply mentioned some listings in Walmart's database, then went on to speculate. Sorry, but that's not enough in my book. Besides, we don't know which Warpath is being made into a Generations toy (G1 or Prime...or, though highly unlikely, Animated). As for Arcee, yes, it could be the G1 version since it's the Generations line, but Hasbro might throw us for a loop and come out with a Movieverse version of Arcee (despite one being released for 'ROTF' as well as Elita-One being part of the TF2010 line). Or, Arcee could be the 'Energon' version. Just be patient, gang, and we'll find out for sure soon enough. Until then, pray for a Generations version of Battletrap. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:02, 8 January 2011 (EST)
::I'd just like to pint out that computer listings can, have, and will change. We'd found computer listings for Alternators that never existed. BW Cackle was named "Kangaroo" when he rung up AT THE REGISTER, just as Mutant Razorclaw came up "Dinobite". So... yeah. Lot of variable that can easily change. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:36, 8 January 2011 (EST)
:::Can we protect this page or something? This is getting ridiculous. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:59, 9 January 2011 (EST)

== Warpath? ==

Why is he on there right now, has he been officially stated to be part of the line? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 04:31, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:At Toyfair, I believe. If not, I know he's been officially solicited to retailers. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:54, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::He was not mentioned at Toy Fair. <strike>We'd only officially know he exists due to Zobovor's Walmart computer listings, and we already know those are out of date because Arcee, Bumblebee, and Starscream are no longer Generations. Warpath should not yet be on this list.</strike> Durrrr, BBTS has him for preorder. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::BBTS pre-order is official enough for us to list, then? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:48, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::::I think so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:02, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Good show, thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 16:47, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Kaon Prisoner does not understand what waves are. ==

Wave 8 has only one toy: Warpath. THIS IS NOT A WAVE, WAVES CONSIST OF FOUR FIGURES, NOT ONE!!! So can I make a change? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 19:31, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
:No. That is a wave, Warpath is just the only new figure in it. The rest are figures from older waves. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:13, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
::I think it would be useful to include all of the toys included within a wave to the section, though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:26, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

No, 'cause it's only one toy on wave 8, that's not a wave, they should make three more. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:03, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

P.S. A wave is 4 figures, that's what I meant. Why don't you understand me? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:05, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
: A wave is not 4 figures. A wave has never ever ever been defined as 4 figures, except only by you, right now. A case of Deluxe Class toys has 8 figures, and the number of distinct toys in that case, new or old, can range from 1 to 8. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

About the title: I ''do'' know what waves are, thank you very much. '''''ALSO:''''' What about the others?! --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:11, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
:Wave 8's layout is as follows: One Scourge, one Kup, two Wheeljacks, two Thundercrackers and two Warpaths: [http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HT98452H] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

At [[User: ItsWalky]]: Not as a box, as a single figure, I have Generations Megs and Soundwave, it's four, not 8, you must be confused with [[Reveal The Shield]]. As in [[Rodimus vs. Cyclonus]]. So... logic dictates that you're an idiot. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:20, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Detour: No those are from other waves. Also way too many figures. Sigh. Look, it's only one figure! Currently. Or is it never, what with the Prime toyline rolling in? Also the caption is "That's it! We're done!" So that ''is'' it. They ''are'' done. ''THEY NO LONGER MAKING ANYMORE YOYS!!!!!!!'' --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:36, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
:You need to read the definition of a [[wave]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:40, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
::To clarify for Kaon Prisoner: A case contains 8 figures. Those eight figures make up a wave. They may be all the same or they may be eight different figures or some mixture. When the figures in a case change, that is a new wave. Often some figures from a previous wave will continue to be shipped in the new wave. Example: Wave 1 may contain 2 each of Figures A, B, C, and D. Wave 2 may contain 2 As, 2 Bs, 1C, 1D and two Figure Es. A, B, C, D and E are ALL Wave 2 figures but only Figure E is new. This is the situation with Warpath and the rest of Wave 8. A = Wheeljack, B = Thundercracker, C = Scourge, D = Kup and E = Warpath. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:49, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Khauis... Ah fuhgeddit... (and this is me quoting TRON:) I don't get it. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:00, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Also I've read the article on waves, thanks for the tip. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:06, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
:If you've read my explanation and the article on waves and still don't understand, then I don't know what to tell you to show you why you're mistaken. I would advise you that calling people idiots is not good behavior. Especially when one of them (ItsWalky) is an admin on this site. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:16, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Sorry about that. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 14:23, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== Hm. ==

They've not announced new figures. Strange.--[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:42, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:The Generations toyline has ran its course. It's now all about the DOTM line and the Transformers: Prime line (which is scheduled for sometime in October). This is the natural course of toylines nowadays. Check out the [[Subline imprint]] article (especially the 'Game Theory' subheading) for more information. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:55, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::Actually NO. Hasbro has insisted consistantly and just repeated at Botcon that Generations is not over and will continue at least through the end of the year. So his Hmm. Strange. Kinda stands. It may be they're still going to include Prime in Generations. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 22:10, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Even if they do more Generations figures later this year, it still is to be expected that there would be no new announcements about them right now. Right now, Hasbro's focus is on DOTM. Basically every release we will hear about for the next 3 months will be DOTM. So, no, that "strange" doesn't stand. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:30, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
:::We saw the packaging for Prime toys at BotCon. It isn't Generations packaging. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:12, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Do the Asian exclusives count towards the 40+ Generations toys mentioned at Toy Fair? [[Special:Contributions/90.192.94.240|90.192.94.240]] 08:43, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

:No. 1) 40+ are US releases, those are not, 2) those are 2012 releases, the 40 are for 2013.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 09:31, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== 2013 Generations at SDCC ==

First, Asian exclusives will come to US, at Toys R US:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/asian-import-exclusive-transformers-generations-hasbro-official-images-175484/

And voyager Grimlock is confirmed with a bunch of repains:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/2012-transformers-generations-official-hasbro-product-images-175488/

== Future toys ==

The page is missing Voyager Grimlock and Blaster. Also the Asian exclusives are coming to the U.S.

== Language on multilingual packaging on those Toys R Us exclusive legends ==

Does anybody know what language is on the multilingual packaging on those Toys R Us exclusive legends? Chinese? Japanese? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:18, 14 December 2012 (EST)
:Chinese.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:30, 14 December 2012 (EST)

== Asian retail exclusives continuity ==
Is it because these figures are imported from Asia that we consider the characters G1 as opposed to Prime? I mean they clearly look like G1, but I thought all future toys were part of an aligned continuity. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:46, 15 December 2012 (EST)
: I don't think it was said anywhere that "all future toys are part of Aligned." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:30, 15 December 2012 (EST)

== Japanese Generations Releases ==
So how is the wiki going to be handling listing these? I noticed the site is mostly void of mentioning the Japanese versions. The releases are mostly inline with what Hasbro is doing, but the number is different and obviously the figures are very different. Thanks! [[User:Poweredconvoy|poweredconvoy]] 20:38, 3 February 2013 (EST)

== Flanker and Payload ==

I know that they are based off of Blast Master and Sky High in appearance, but are we really going to put them under the toy sections for the G1 Sky High and Blast Master? There are already names for Flanker and Payload so why don't we just place the toys under the names they were given instead of the appearances they were based off of.

== Comic Pack release in Quebec ==

So, much like the Universe comic 2-packs, the "Thrilling 30" comic pack releases have seen release in Quebec and do not include the comic, the cardback instead featuring a bust crop of Orion Pax's cover for all figures. Should this be noted on every comic pack figure's article, or should it be noted here or in the [[Multilingual packaging]] article? Or all of the above? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:29, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

== Age of Extinction ==

The AOE character articles have their toys listed as Generations. Does that mean they're putting the AOE toys as part of the Generations line instead of a new toyline? Aren't movie toylines huge though? [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|Bioniclepluslotr]] ([[User talk:Bioniclepluslotr|talk]]) 14:47, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

== Air Raid Retool? ==

It says here that Air Raid is a retool of Skydive. That is not referenced on their individual sections and when you look at the figures beyond the legs which they share everything else looks new. Should this say partial retool perhaps? Extensive retool? Or something more specific? At the moment I think just retool is misleading. [[User:Mister Jazzz|Mister Jazz]] ([[User talk:Mister Jazzz|talk]]) 10:52, 3 January 2015 (EST)

== So where do we put Quickslinger and Brake-Neck? ==

Under "Combiner Wars" or under "exclusives"?

Also, should we maybe possibly reorganize the whole thing into three "phases" (2010-onwards, Fall of Cybertron/Thrilling 30, the later with a FOC/T30 subdivision for the mass retail releases, and Combiner Wars), with exclusives listed as part of these phases? An entire "exclusives" list separate from everything else doesn't make much sense to me at this point.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 09:00, 2 April 2015 (EDT)
:Yeah, I'd been considering splitting up the exclusives too. They all divide up nicely based on the Generations logo used. My only concern would be that that could lead to some very deeply nested sub-headings, which always look a bit daft... [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:57, 2 April 2015 (EDT)
::Well, I seriously doubt we need separate sub-headings for exclusive Bruticus, Metroplex and the Ultimate Gift Set. When each sub-heading has one entry, the sub-headings become kinda pointless really. Plus, HTS/SDCC/ACGHK Metroplex isn't actually Generations, is he? Unlike the mass retail version, the exclusive version doesn't have the "Generations" logo anywhere on its packaging or instructions. I gave the site an overhaul; please let me know if it's okay in its new form.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 15:54, 6 April 2015 (EDT)
:::Looks good. Not sure about the "Phase X" bits in the headers, though, since it could give the false impression that that's terminology Hasbro themselves have used. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:07, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

== Possibly Offensive Caption ==

Couldn't the Windblade caption on this page be seen as offensive? I've seen similar cases (Animated Drag Strip, Masterforce Overlord) and they were changed. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 11:56, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
: What strikes me about the caption mostly is that it isn't really very true. Red/black VTOL jet, sure, but Windblade is pretty visually distinct. My personal feeling is that the caption isn't portraying "gender-swapping" as the butt of a joke, nor is it using terminology that I understand to be offensive. I had to dig into the history to find out what captions removed from the pages you mentioned, and they were both captions that used questionable words and targets for humor. This one is not like those, as far as I am competent to understand. So I personally don't see a problem with it. But if someone does have a problem with it, versus worrying someone else might have a problem with it, I'm super fine with ditching it. It's not a great caption anyway. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:30, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
Okay. Thanks. I will leave it for now, then. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 14:56, 15 April 2015 (EDT)

== On the subject of listing the comics ==

I've seen multiple instances of people being referred to this article upon asking the reading order for the pack-in comics, so I'd throw a vote behind keeping them listed here. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:11, 23 August 2015 (EDT)

== Model Numbers ==
please reinstate model numbers for the Japanese releases (TG-01 to TG-33).

Talk:Transformers: Generations (toyline)

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Fronkinsteen:

Can we get a source on Blurr coming in a future wave? I thought that was an April Fool's joke. --Anon, 10:42, 26 April 2010
:[http://www.parrygamepreserve.com/newsDetail.php?jID=1325 Parry Game Preserve's March Q&A answers]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:23, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

== War for Cybertron ==

I don't know how much this means, but if you click on "War for Cybertron toys" on Hasbro's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War for Cybertron] page it brings up the whole first wave of Generations. I doubt that this in itself pulls Drift and Thrust into the ''[[Transformers: Prime]]'' [[continuity family]], but I suppose there is a small chance that this is the direction Hasbro is going. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:05, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
: It means nothing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Launch Date ==

-Have the toys hit retail yet? I havn't seen them anywhere, but the page doesn't say Wave 1 is "scheduled for release" anymore.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 12:25, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
:One can order them on Walmart.com, thus why there isn't the 'scheduled for release' template for Wave 1. Looking forward to them being sold at actual stores. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:08, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::They ARE being sold at actual stores. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:32, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Depends on where you are. Around here (NC) stores tend to be about 2 months behind NY/CA in getting things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:51, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::::My local Walmart seems to have many Wave 4 ROTF Deluxe toys left. Back on topic; thank you, Blackout, for sharing. Looking forward to seeing them at stores in my neck of the woods. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:26, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 2 coming out?

Speaking of Wave 2, it seems to me that Drift and Thrust are not part of Wave 1. WFC Optimus and Bumblebee have been at stores for about a month, but I havn't seen the former two.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 12:12, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
: This is because Toys R Us got an advance WFC-only case to promote WFC when WFC came out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:26, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

-I think Dirge and Blurr will be released by this christmas, as they weren't included in Cybertroncon's "Spring 2011" transformers,but they didn't mention Reflector or Cliffjumper did they?
::Dirge and Blurr are being shipped by BigBadToyStore right now. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:05, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 5 coming out?

DESPERATELY SEEKING BLURR!! I've seen reportrs of people buying him in stores, but I havn't seen him anywhere. Are these reports true? I don't want to miss out on this guy.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 18:57, 27 November 2010 (EST)

——They sure are true, I've got Dirge, Blurr, Cliffjumper and Thunderwing, maybe it's just your location.

== Other "Generations-like" packaged toys ==

There's a bunch of toys that are in Generations-like packaging that don't say Generations on it: the new Seacons set, the dollar-store Classics Mini-Con redecos, the ROTF Activators (and probably other stuff I've forgotten). Should we place them under Generations here and in their individual articles? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:40, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Thanks for the total lack of comments, guys. Good hustle. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:57, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
::Just put them under the subtitle-less toyline. If they were meant to be in Generations, they would have it on their boxes. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:03, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Here's one - Masterpiece Grimlock is in a subtitle-less Generations style red packaging, but Hasbro's presentation slides (from Toy Fair, I believe) place him in Universe. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:25, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

== War for Cybertron toys ==

"* Clicking "War For Cybertron Toys" on Hasbro's [http://www2.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War For Cybertron] webpage brings up the whole "Generations" toyline. Looking for War For Cybertron toys? Here you go." It also brings up some PCC toys. Hasbro just loves messing with us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:41, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

== Kup ==
Is Kup confirmed enough for inclusion on the page? With the picture on the battle in space 2 pack, it seems compleatly comfirmed.--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 19:38, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not until it's officially announced. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 19:39, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Pretty sure he was officially announced at BotCon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:56, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Not really. They were vague in that Hasbro way at best. And it's not like G1 guys don't get fictional redesigns with frequency. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:32, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::I don't think going "cough cough KUP cough cough" in answer to "which guys coming out can you not talk about" in front of hundreds of people is vague at all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:47, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Well, I didn't know that. I suppose I'd wait until slightly more solid confirmation, but I guess I admit defeat for now. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:49, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I would suggest holding off on adding Kup until we're sure which toyline he'll be part of: Generations, Transformers (2010 toyline), or possibly something else (which most likely would be improbable since the main part of 2011 would focus on the third movie). Just want to spare everyone the trouble of cutting and pasting from one article to another like what was done for Special Ops Jazz and Turbo Tracks. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:09, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I agree with this. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:11, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

== Gen 2 Optimus Prime ==

I know that Gen 2 Optimus has been announced, but he wasn't declared a 'Generations' toy, was he? I know I listed him as such on the G1 Optimus Prime toy article, but there's a possibility that I might have jumped the gun (like what was done with Special Ops Jazz). That's why I removed him from the list on this article (after adding him the day before). Meanwhile, I'll leave the Prime toy page as is until there's verification. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 11:24, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:I hate how Hasbro is handling this! They have separate toylines and separate fictions, but the toylines don't match up to the fictions! ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why couldn't "Transformers" just be movie line figures and "Generations" non-movie line figures? (Sidebar- Why do retailers seem to think that movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie toys? OTHER than TFs and Star Wars EVERY movie line seems to clog shelves for years! The two Hulk toy lines were taking up tons of space on shelves right next to each other!) Okay, end of ranting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:32, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:: I would imagine that retailers think to seem Transformers movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie Transformers toys because they very very obviously are. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:51, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Especially after the huge demands for Transformers toys that lead to empty shelves in 2007. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 11:58, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Huh. Haven't noticed such a huge disparity around here. TFs have pretty much had the same shelf space since RID and have sold pretty steadily (except maybe Energon). The only real jump in shelf space was when Movie, Universe and Animated were running concurrently. Even then all sold well, with Movie having the largest proportion of shelfwarmers. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:55, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

== Shouldn't Tracks, Jazz et al at least get a mention in the article ==
I know Hasbro ain't exactly making this easy for us with their confusing brand nomenclature, but shoudn't we making it easy for ourselves? I know this is simlar to the Kup and G2 Prime points above, but we currently do know how Jazz and Tracks are coming. They are obviously CHUG in design, though not in brand. They deserve a mention in the article. I would do it myself right now, but the more anankastic among us would automatically click the undo button and I couldn't be arsed wasting the effort in that particular style of edit war. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 07:34, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
:No, not if they aren't ''Generations''. They are listed on the ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers]]'' page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:47, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
::Crockalley had added a note that was then edited by me to say "The [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers 2010 toyline]] contains several toys with a design aesthetic similar to the Generations line. This led to confusion when fan expectations were contradicted by official Hasbro announcements." Is there consensus to leave this note, remove it entirely or edit it? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:05, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I say leave the note as is. Having two toylines, both of which has G1-based characters in them, does cause confusion. Hopefully Hasbro will do be better job of seperating characters if they have future branching main toylines. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:50, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
::::And another batch of expected Generations figures is revealed as 2010 line instead. Any bets on how much longer this remains an ongoing line? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:14, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
::::: For as long as Hasbro wants to maximize shelf space. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:24, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

I know this doesn't belong on this page's talk page, but we haven't really got a grasp on HFTD or Reveal the Shiled sublines of the other line. And right now giving each of those lines their own category is as a good as a suggestion as any (i.e not much). The retailiers are doing better job than us on this point. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 16:12, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:Actually after reading the discussion on Lugnut's talk page, and the more the I think of it, is Generations any more of a separate line than HFTD or RTS? Wouldn't it make as much sense as to incorpoarte Generations under Transformers 2010? A bit like how Universe 2008 had G1 series, War Within series, G2 series etc etc 15:59, 4 November 2010 (EDT)
::No, because Generations has a different style of packaging. Universe '08 had the same packaging while denoting which era the toys came from. HFTD and RTS is only a promo. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 16:22, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

== United ==
-I want to know more about the relationship between Generations and the united toyline...Is Generations releasing Wheeljack and Kup like United, or is United releasing additional transformers. Besides, when is United being released?
: We don't have official solicitations from Hasbro about Wheeljack or Kup, but there is no doubt that we'll see them over here. Takara wouldn't make those toys on their own; it just doesn't happen. As for release dates, the preorder pages on BigBadToyStore and the like will tell you that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:19, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Difficulty bar note ==

What is that note about the difficulty bar trying to say? What is the difficulty bar for in lines that aren't all deluxes? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:14, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:Normally, the difficulty bar denotes the size of the toy rather than how difficult it is to convert the toy (or so has been my observation). If you take a look on the packaging of past toys (and on the packaging of the Transformers (2010) toyline), you'll notice that ''all'' the Deluxe-sized toys has a difficulty rating of 3, ''all'' the Voyager-class toys has a rating of 4, etc. However, Universe '08 Onslaught (an Ultra-size toy with a difficulty rating of 4) was a cinch to transform while TF (2010) Ironhide (a Deluxe-sized toy with a difficulty rating of 3) was a pain in the....neck to convert (especially with that chest piece you had to get just right and then you move him a little and it pops out! '''Argh!!!'''). But with the 'Generations' line, Hasbro was kind enough to have individual ratings for the toys (as noted in the article). Therefore, if it says Cybertronian Bumblebee is a 4th-level difficulty toy, I'm not as aggrevated and less compelled to break the toy in half out of frustration ("You knew the danger when you took it", as one feathered superhero used to say). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 08:45, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::Some 2010 Deluxes have difficulty ratings of 4 now. Maybe Hasbro is rationalizing things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:41, 30 November 2010 (EST)

== Arcee and others ==

There was an interesting article on TFW showing some possible figures.[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/generations-arcee-and-warpath-listed-171232/] Is this source good enough for those too be added?--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 00:29, 8 January 2011 (EST)
:The article simply mentioned some listings in Walmart's database, then went on to speculate. Sorry, but that's not enough in my book. Besides, we don't know which Warpath is being made into a Generations toy (G1 or Prime...or, though highly unlikely, Animated). As for Arcee, yes, it could be the G1 version since it's the Generations line, but Hasbro might throw us for a loop and come out with a Movieverse version of Arcee (despite one being released for 'ROTF' as well as Elita-One being part of the TF2010 line). Or, Arcee could be the 'Energon' version. Just be patient, gang, and we'll find out for sure soon enough. Until then, pray for a Generations version of Battletrap. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:02, 8 January 2011 (EST)
::I'd just like to pint out that computer listings can, have, and will change. We'd found computer listings for Alternators that never existed. BW Cackle was named "Kangaroo" when he rung up AT THE REGISTER, just as Mutant Razorclaw came up "Dinobite". So... yeah. Lot of variable that can easily change. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:36, 8 January 2011 (EST)
:::Can we protect this page or something? This is getting ridiculous. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:59, 9 January 2011 (EST)

== Warpath? ==

Why is he on there right now, has he been officially stated to be part of the line? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 04:31, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:At Toyfair, I believe. If not, I know he's been officially solicited to retailers. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:54, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::He was not mentioned at Toy Fair. <strike>We'd only officially know he exists due to Zobovor's Walmart computer listings, and we already know those are out of date because Arcee, Bumblebee, and Starscream are no longer Generations. Warpath should not yet be on this list.</strike> Durrrr, BBTS has him for preorder. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::BBTS pre-order is official enough for us to list, then? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:48, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::::I think so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:02, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Good show, thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 16:47, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Kaon Prisoner does not understand what waves are. ==

Wave 8 has only one toy: Warpath. THIS IS NOT A WAVE, WAVES CONSIST OF FOUR FIGURES, NOT ONE!!! So can I make a change? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 19:31, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
:No. That is a wave, Warpath is just the only new figure in it. The rest are figures from older waves. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:13, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
::I think it would be useful to include all of the toys included within a wave to the section, though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:26, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

No, 'cause it's only one toy on wave 8, that's not a wave, they should make three more. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:03, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

P.S. A wave is 4 figures, that's what I meant. Why don't you understand me? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:05, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
: A wave is not 4 figures. A wave has never ever ever been defined as 4 figures, except only by you, right now. A case of Deluxe Class toys has 8 figures, and the number of distinct toys in that case, new or old, can range from 1 to 8. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

About the title: I ''do'' know what waves are, thank you very much. '''''ALSO:''''' What about the others?! --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:11, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
:Wave 8's layout is as follows: One Scourge, one Kup, two Wheeljacks, two Thundercrackers and two Warpaths: [http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HT98452H] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

At [[User: ItsWalky]]: Not as a box, as a single figure, I have Generations Megs and Soundwave, it's four, not 8, you must be confused with [[Reveal The Shield]]. As in [[Rodimus vs. Cyclonus]]. So... logic dictates that you're an idiot. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:20, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Detour: No those are from other waves. Also way too many figures. Sigh. Look, it's only one figure! Currently. Or is it never, what with the Prime toyline rolling in? Also the caption is "That's it! We're done!" So that ''is'' it. They ''are'' done. ''THEY NO LONGER MAKING ANYMORE YOYS!!!!!!!'' --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:36, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
:You need to read the definition of a [[wave]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:40, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
::To clarify for Kaon Prisoner: A case contains 8 figures. Those eight figures make up a wave. They may be all the same or they may be eight different figures or some mixture. When the figures in a case change, that is a new wave. Often some figures from a previous wave will continue to be shipped in the new wave. Example: Wave 1 may contain 2 each of Figures A, B, C, and D. Wave 2 may contain 2 As, 2 Bs, 1C, 1D and two Figure Es. A, B, C, D and E are ALL Wave 2 figures but only Figure E is new. This is the situation with Warpath and the rest of Wave 8. A = Wheeljack, B = Thundercracker, C = Scourge, D = Kup and E = Warpath. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:49, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Khauis... Ah fuhgeddit... (and this is me quoting TRON:) I don't get it. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:00, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Also I've read the article on waves, thanks for the tip. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:06, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
:If you've read my explanation and the article on waves and still don't understand, then I don't know what to tell you to show you why you're mistaken. I would advise you that calling people idiots is not good behavior. Especially when one of them (ItsWalky) is an admin on this site. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:16, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Sorry about that. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 14:23, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== Hm. ==

They've not announced new figures. Strange.--[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:42, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:The Generations toyline has ran its course. It's now all about the DOTM line and the Transformers: Prime line (which is scheduled for sometime in October). This is the natural course of toylines nowadays. Check out the [[Subline imprint]] article (especially the 'Game Theory' subheading) for more information. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:55, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::Actually NO. Hasbro has insisted consistantly and just repeated at Botcon that Generations is not over and will continue at least through the end of the year. So his Hmm. Strange. Kinda stands. It may be they're still going to include Prime in Generations. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 22:10, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Even if they do more Generations figures later this year, it still is to be expected that there would be no new announcements about them right now. Right now, Hasbro's focus is on DOTM. Basically every release we will hear about for the next 3 months will be DOTM. So, no, that "strange" doesn't stand. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:30, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
:::We saw the packaging for Prime toys at BotCon. It isn't Generations packaging. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:12, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Do the Asian exclusives count towards the 40+ Generations toys mentioned at Toy Fair? [[Special:Contributions/90.192.94.240|90.192.94.240]] 08:43, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

:No. 1) 40+ are US releases, those are not, 2) those are 2012 releases, the 40 are for 2013.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 09:31, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== 2013 Generations at SDCC ==

First, Asian exclusives will come to US, at Toys R US:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/asian-import-exclusive-transformers-generations-hasbro-official-images-175484/

And voyager Grimlock is confirmed with a bunch of repains:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/2012-transformers-generations-official-hasbro-product-images-175488/

== Future toys ==

The page is missing Voyager Grimlock and Blaster. Also the Asian exclusives are coming to the U.S.

== Language on multilingual packaging on those Toys R Us exclusive legends ==

Does anybody know what language is on the multilingual packaging on those Toys R Us exclusive legends? Chinese? Japanese? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:18, 14 December 2012 (EST)
:Chinese.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:30, 14 December 2012 (EST)

== Asian retail exclusives continuity ==
Is it because these figures are imported from Asia that we consider the characters G1 as opposed to Prime? I mean they clearly look like G1, but I thought all future toys were part of an aligned continuity. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:46, 15 December 2012 (EST)
: I don't think it was said anywhere that "all future toys are part of Aligned." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:30, 15 December 2012 (EST)

== Japanese Generations Releases ==
So how is the wiki going to be handling listing these? I noticed the site is mostly void of mentioning the Japanese versions. The releases are mostly inline with what Hasbro is doing, but the number is different and obviously the figures are very different. Thanks! [[User:Poweredconvoy|poweredconvoy]] 20:38, 3 February 2013 (EST)

== Flanker and Payload ==

I know that they are based off of Blast Master and Sky High in appearance, but are we really going to put them under the toy sections for the G1 Sky High and Blast Master? There are already names for Flanker and Payload so why don't we just place the toys under the names they were given instead of the appearances they were based off of.

== Comic Pack release in Quebec ==

So, much like the Universe comic 2-packs, the "Thrilling 30" comic pack releases have seen release in Quebec and do not include the comic, the cardback instead featuring a bust crop of Orion Pax's cover for all figures. Should this be noted on every comic pack figure's article, or should it be noted here or in the [[Multilingual packaging]] article? Or all of the above? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:29, 13 September 2013 (EDT)

== Age of Extinction ==

The AOE character articles have their toys listed as Generations. Does that mean they're putting the AOE toys as part of the Generations line instead of a new toyline? Aren't movie toylines huge though? [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|Bioniclepluslotr]] ([[User talk:Bioniclepluslotr|talk]]) 14:47, 10 March 2014 (EDT)

== Air Raid Retool? ==

It says here that Air Raid is a retool of Skydive. That is not referenced on their individual sections and when you look at the figures beyond the legs which they share everything else looks new. Should this say partial retool perhaps? Extensive retool? Or something more specific? At the moment I think just retool is misleading. [[User:Mister Jazzz|Mister Jazz]] ([[User talk:Mister Jazzz|talk]]) 10:52, 3 January 2015 (EST)

== So where do we put Quickslinger and Brake-Neck? ==

Under "Combiner Wars" or under "exclusives"?

Also, should we maybe possibly reorganize the whole thing into three "phases" (2010-onwards, Fall of Cybertron/Thrilling 30, the later with a FOC/T30 subdivision for the mass retail releases, and Combiner Wars), with exclusives listed as part of these phases? An entire "exclusives" list separate from everything else doesn't make much sense to me at this point.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 09:00, 2 April 2015 (EDT)
:Yeah, I'd been considering splitting up the exclusives too. They all divide up nicely based on the Generations logo used. My only concern would be that that could lead to some very deeply nested sub-headings, which always look a bit daft... [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:57, 2 April 2015 (EDT)
::Well, I seriously doubt we need separate sub-headings for exclusive Bruticus, Metroplex and the Ultimate Gift Set. When each sub-heading has one entry, the sub-headings become kinda pointless really. Plus, HTS/SDCC/ACGHK Metroplex isn't actually Generations, is he? Unlike the mass retail version, the exclusive version doesn't have the "Generations" logo anywhere on its packaging or instructions. I gave the site an overhaul; please let me know if it's okay in its new form.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 15:54, 6 April 2015 (EDT)
:::Looks good. Not sure about the "Phase X" bits in the headers, though, since it could give the false impression that that's terminology Hasbro themselves have used. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:07, 6 April 2015 (EDT)

== Possibly Offensive Caption ==

Couldn't the Windblade caption on this page be seen as offensive? I've seen similar cases (Animated Drag Strip, Masterforce Overlord) and they were changed. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 11:56, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
: What strikes me about the caption mostly is that it isn't really very true. Red/black VTOL jet, sure, but Windblade is pretty visually distinct. My personal feeling is that the caption isn't portraying "gender-swapping" as the butt of a joke, nor is it using terminology that I understand to be offensive. I had to dig into the history to find out what captions removed from the pages you mentioned, and they were both captions that used questionable words and targets for humor. This one is not like those, as far as I am competent to understand. So I personally don't see a problem with it. But if someone does have a problem with it, versus worrying someone else might have a problem with it, I'm super fine with ditching it. It's not a great caption anyway. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:30, 15 April 2015 (EDT)
Okay. Thanks. I will leave it for now, then. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 14:56, 15 April 2015 (EDT)

== On the subject of listing the comics ==

I've seen multiple instances of people being referred to this article upon asking the reading order for the pack-in comics, so I'd throw a vote behind keeping them listed here. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:11, 23 August 2015 (EDT)

please reinstate model numbers for the Japanese releases (TG-01 to TG-33).

Transformers Legends (franchise)

2017-03-03T18:44:08Z

Fronkinsteen: fix Trypticon link

{{disambig3|Legends}}
{{Nav-Legends}}

'''''Transformers Legends''''' (トランスフォーマーレジェンズ ''Toransufōmā Rejenzu'') is a [[TakaraTomy]] toyline, beginning in [[2014]] and following in the footsteps of ''[[Transformers United]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Generations#Generations in Japan|Transformers Generations]]''. It mostly consists of [[Hasbro]] ''Generations'' toys released by TakaraTomy with more premium/accurate paint jobs. It created some confusion in the [[fandom]] when it was first announced due to it sharing its name with a common [[size class]], with several fans speculating if the line would be all small-sized releases.

It is accompanied by a lighthearted [[Transformers Legends (comic)|web comic]]. Each toy also includes an issue of a spinoff of the web comic, focusing on the character it is packed with.

==Toys==
===General retail===

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[October 25|10-25]]-[[2014]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|LG01 [[Rattrap (BW)/toys#Legends|Rattle]]}}
{{Bp-m1|LG02 [[Optimus Primal/toys#Legends|Convoy]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[November 29|11-29]]-2014)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-vh|LG03 [[Tankor (BM)#Legends|Tankor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG04 [[Roadbuster (G1)#Legends|Roadbuster]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG05 [[Whirl (G1)#Legends|Whirl]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[December 27|12-27]]-2014)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-p1|LG06 [[Sky-Byte (RID)#Legends|Gelshark]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG07 [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Legends|Jetfire]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[January 24|1-24]]-[[2015]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG08 [[Swerve (G1)#Legends|Swerve]] & [[Tailgate (G1)#Legends|Tailgate]] (w/ [[Phaser#Legends|Phaser]] & [[Neutro#Legends|Groundshaker]])}}
{{Bp-a1|LG09 [[Brainstorm (G1)#Legends|Brainstorm]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=3|[[File:TakaraLegends LG06 Gelshark.jpg|thumb|200px|Gelshark]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[February 14|2-14]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG10 [[Arcee (G1)/toys#Legends|Arcee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG11 [[Chromia (G1)#Legends|Chromia]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG12 [[Windblade (G1)#Legends|Windblade]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[May 30|5-30]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG13 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Legends|Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[September 19|9-19]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG14 [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Legends|Ultra Magnus]] (w/ [[Alpha Trion (G1)#Legends|Alpha Trion]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 8''' ([[October 24|10-24]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG15 [[Nightbird (G1)#Legends|Nightbird Shadow]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG16 [[Slipstream (Animated)#Legends|Slipstream]]}}
{{Bp-p1|LG17 [[Blackarachnia (BW)/toys#Legends|Blackwidow]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 9''' ([[January 30|1-30]]-[[2016]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG18 [[Starscream (Armada)#Legends|Armada Starscream Super Mode]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 10''' ([[February 29|2-29]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG19 [[Springer (G1)/toys#Legends|Sprung]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 11''' ([[May 28|5-28]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG20 [[Skids (G1)#Legends|Skids]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 12''' ([[July 23|7-23]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG21 [[Hardhead (G1)#Legends|Hardhead]] (w/ [[Tankette#Legends|Tankette]])}}
{{Bp-d1|LG22 [[Skullcruncher (G1)#Legends|Skull]] (w/ [[Batora#Legends|Batora]])}}
{{Bp-d1|LG23 [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#Legends|Galvatron]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 13''' ([[August 27|8-27]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG24 [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Legends|Shockwave]] & [[Cancer (Masterforce)#Legends|Cancer]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG25 [[Blurr (G1)/toys#Legends|Blurr]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG26 [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Legends|Scourge]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 14''' ([[September 24|9-24]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG27 [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Legends|Broadcast]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG28 [[Rewind (G1)#Legends|Rewind]] & [[Nightbeat (G1)#Legends|Nightbeat]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG29 [[Wheelie (G1)#Legends|Wheelie]] & [[Shūta Gō#Legends|Goshooter]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG30 [[Weirdwolf (G1)#Legends|Weirdwolf]] (w/ [[Rarigo#Legends|Rarigo]])}}
{{Bp-a1|LG31 [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Legends|Fortress Maximus]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 15''' ([[November 26|11-26]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG32 [[Chromedome (G1)#Legends|Chromedome]] (w/ [[Moguru#Legends|Moguru]])}}
{{Bp-d1|LG33 [[Highbrow (G1)#Legends|Highbrow]] (w/ [[Karugo#Legends|Karugo]])}}
{{Bp-d1|LG34 [[Mindwipe (G1)#Legends|Wipe]] (w/ [[Servant#Legends|Servant]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 16''' ([[December 28|12-28]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG35 [[Ginrai (human)#Legends|Super Ginrai]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG36 [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Legends|Soundwave]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG37 [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Legends|Jaguar]] & [[Bullhorn (Masterforce)#Legends|Bullhorn]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG38 [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Legends|Condor]] & [[Apeface#Legends|Apeface]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG39 [[Brainstorm (G1)#LG39|Brainstorm]] (w/ [[Synapse (Legends)#Legends|Synapse]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF-Legends-LG25-Blurr.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Blurr]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 17''' ([[January 28|1-28]]-[[2017]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG40 [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Legends|Astrotrain]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 18''' ([[February 25|2-25]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|LG41 [[Lio Convoy#Legends|Leo Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 19''' ([[May 19|5-19]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG-42 [[Godbomber#Legends|Godbomber]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 20''' ([[August 26|8-26]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG-43 [[Trypticon_(G1)#Legends|Dinosaurer]]}}
</ul>
|}
{{comingsoontoy|Waves 19 and beyond not released yet}}

{{-}}

===Exclusives===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[e-HOBBY]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG-EX [[Convobat#Toys|Convobat]] (w/ [[Megalligator]] and [[Ape X Arms]])}}
{{Bp-d1|LG-EX [[Drift (G1)#Legends|Deadlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG-EX [[Magna Convoy]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Tokyo Toy Show''' ([[June 20|6-20]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG-EX [[Scourge (RID)#Legends|Black Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG-EX [[Megatron (Armada)/toys#Legends|Armada Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Transformers Fes2016''' ([[May 7|5-7]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|LG-EX [[Rattrap (BW)/toys#LGEX|Rattle]]}}
{{Bp-m1|LG-EX [[Rhinox (BW)#Legends|Rhinox]]}}
{{Bp-p1|LG-EX [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#Legends|Waspeeter]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Transformers Fes2017''' (2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|LG-EX Headmaster Set (includes [[Brawn (G1)/toys#Legends|Gong]], [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Legends|Grimlock]], [[Flywheels#Legends|Flywheel]], [[Duros#HeadmasterSet|Hardhead]], [[Stylor#HeadmasterSet|Chromedome]], and [[Arcana#HeadmasterSet|Brainstorm]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:TF-Legends-LGEX-Convobat.jpg|right|thumb|200px|e-HOBBY Convobat]]
|}

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[[Category:Legends franchise| ]]

Transformers Legends (franchise)

2017-03-03T18:42:10Z

Fronkinsteen: reinstated model numbers

{{disambig3|Legends}}
{{Nav-Legends}}

'''''Transformers Legends''''' (トランスフォーマーレジェンズ ''Toransufōmā Rejenzu'') is a [[TakaraTomy]] toyline, beginning in [[2014]] and following in the footsteps of ''[[Transformers United]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Generations#Generations in Japan|Transformers Generations]]''. It mostly consists of [[Hasbro]] ''Generations'' toys released by TakaraTomy with more premium/accurate paint jobs. It created some confusion in the [[fandom]] when it was first announced due to it sharing its name with a common [[size class]], with several fans speculating if the line would be all small-sized releases.

It is accompanied by a lighthearted [[Transformers Legends (comic)|web comic]]. Each toy also includes an issue of a spinoff of the web comic, focusing on the character it is packed with.

==Toys==
===General retail===

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[October 25|10-25]]-[[2014]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|LG01 [[Rattrap (BW)/toys#Legends|Rattle]]}}
{{Bp-m1|LG02 [[Optimus Primal/toys#Legends|Convoy]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[November 29|11-29]]-2014)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-vh|LG03 [[Tankor (BM)#Legends|Tankor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG04 [[Roadbuster (G1)#Legends|Roadbuster]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG05 [[Whirl (G1)#Legends|Whirl]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[December 27|12-27]]-2014)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-p1|LG06 [[Sky-Byte (RID)#Legends|Gelshark]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG07 [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Legends|Jetfire]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[January 24|1-24]]-[[2015]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG08 [[Swerve (G1)#Legends|Swerve]] & [[Tailgate (G1)#Legends|Tailgate]] (w/ [[Phaser#Legends|Phaser]] & [[Neutro#Legends|Groundshaker]])}}
{{Bp-a1|LG09 [[Brainstorm (G1)#Legends|Brainstorm]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=3|[[File:TakaraLegends LG06 Gelshark.jpg|thumb|200px|Gelshark]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[February 14|2-14]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG10 [[Arcee (G1)/toys#Legends|Arcee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG11 [[Chromia (G1)#Legends|Chromia]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG12 [[Windblade (G1)#Legends|Windblade]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[May 30|5-30]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG13 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Legends|Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[September 19|9-19]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG14 [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Legends|Ultra Magnus]] (w/ [[Alpha Trion (G1)#Legends|Alpha Trion]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 8''' ([[October 24|10-24]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG15 [[Nightbird (G1)#Legends|Nightbird Shadow]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG16 [[Slipstream (Animated)#Legends|Slipstream]]}}
{{Bp-p1|LG17 [[Blackarachnia (BW)/toys#Legends|Blackwidow]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 9''' ([[January 30|1-30]]-[[2016]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG18 [[Starscream (Armada)#Legends|Armada Starscream Super Mode]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 10''' ([[February 29|2-29]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG19 [[Springer (G1)/toys#Legends|Sprung]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 11''' ([[May 28|5-28]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG20 [[Skids (G1)#Legends|Skids]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 12''' ([[July 23|7-23]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG21 [[Hardhead (G1)#Legends|Hardhead]] (w/ [[Tankette#Legends|Tankette]])}}
{{Bp-d1|LG22 [[Skullcruncher (G1)#Legends|Skull]] (w/ [[Batora#Legends|Batora]])}}
{{Bp-d1|LG23 [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#Legends|Galvatron]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 13''' ([[August 27|8-27]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG24 [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Legends|Shockwave]] & [[Cancer (Masterforce)#Legends|Cancer]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG25 [[Blurr (G1)/toys#Legends|Blurr]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG26 [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Legends|Scourge]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 14''' ([[September 24|9-24]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG27 [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Legends|Broadcast]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG28 [[Rewind (G1)#Legends|Rewind]] & [[Nightbeat (G1)#Legends|Nightbeat]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG29 [[Wheelie (G1)#Legends|Wheelie]] & [[Shūta Gō#Legends|Goshooter]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG30 [[Weirdwolf (G1)#Legends|Weirdwolf]] (w/ [[Rarigo#Legends|Rarigo]])}}
{{Bp-a1|LG31 [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Legends|Fortress Maximus]]}}
</ul>
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 15''' ([[November 26|11-26]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG32 [[Chromedome (G1)#Legends|Chromedome]] (w/ [[Moguru#Legends|Moguru]])}}
{{Bp-d1|LG33 [[Highbrow (G1)#Legends|Highbrow]] (w/ [[Karugo#Legends|Karugo]])}}
{{Bp-d1|LG34 [[Mindwipe (G1)#Legends|Wipe]] (w/ [[Servant#Legends|Servant]])}}
</ul>
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 16''' ([[December 28|12-28]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG35 [[Ginrai (human)#Legends|Super Ginrai]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG36 [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Legends|Soundwave]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG37 [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Legends|Jaguar]] & [[Bullhorn (Masterforce)#Legends|Bullhorn]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG38 [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Legends|Condor]] & [[Apeface#Legends|Apeface]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG39 [[Brainstorm (G1)#LG39|Brainstorm]] (w/ [[Synapse (Legends)#Legends|Synapse]])}}
</ul>
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|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF-Legends-LG25-Blurr.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Blurr]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 17''' ([[January 28|1-28]]-[[2017]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG40 [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Legends|Astrotrain]]}}
</ul>
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 18''' ([[February 25|2-25]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|LG41 [[Lio Convoy#Legends|Leo Prime]]}}
</ul>
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 19''' ([[May 19|5-19]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG-42 [[Godbomber#Legends|Godbomber]]}}
</ul>
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 20''' ([[August 26|8-26]]-2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG-43 [[Trypticon#Legends|Dinosaurer]]}}
</ul>
|}
{{comingsoontoy|Waves 19 and beyond not released yet}}

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===Exclusives===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[e-HOBBY]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|LG-EX [[Convobat#Toys|Convobat]] (w/ [[Megalligator]] and [[Ape X Arms]])}}
{{Bp-d1|LG-EX [[Drift (G1)#Legends|Deadlock]]}}
{{Bp-a1|LG-EX [[Magna Convoy]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Tokyo Toy Show''' ([[June 20|6-20]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|LG-EX [[Scourge (RID)#Legends|Black Convoy]]}}
{{Bp-d1|LG-EX [[Megatron (Armada)/toys#Legends|Armada Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Transformers Fes2016''' ([[May 7|5-7]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-m1|LG-EX [[Rattrap (BW)/toys#LGEX|Rattle]]}}
{{Bp-m1|LG-EX [[Rhinox (BW)#Legends|Rhinox]]}}
{{Bp-p1|LG-EX [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#Legends|Waspeeter]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Transformers Fes2017''' (2017)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|LG-EX Headmaster Set (includes [[Brawn (G1)/toys#Legends|Gong]], [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Legends|Grimlock]], [[Flywheels#Legends|Flywheel]], [[Duros#HeadmasterSet|Hardhead]], [[Stylor#HeadmasterSet|Chromedome]], and [[Arcana#HeadmasterSet|Brainstorm]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|[[File:TF-Legends-LGEX-Convobat.jpg|right|thumb|200px|e-HOBBY Convobat]]
|}

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[[Category:Legends franchise| ]]

Transformers Unite Warriors

2017-03-03T18:12:15Z

Fronkinsteen: reinstated model numbers

[[File:Unite Warriors logo.jpg|350px|center]]
'''''Transformers Unite Warriors''''' (トランスフォーマーユナイトウォリアーズ) is a [[2015]] [[TakaraTomy]] toyline, the Japanese counterpart to ''[[Combiner Wars (franchise)|Combiner Wars]]''.

==Fiction==
*''[[Unite Warriors Offshot]]'', a series of lighthearted illustrated short stories packaged with the toys.
*''Unite Warriors —Spin Off—'' "[[Decepticon Dark Commander Grand Scourge]]", a comic packaged with [[Grand Scourge#Unite Warriors|UW-EX Grand Scourge]].
*A series of online manga:
{{chapters|title=''The Transformers Unite Warriors'' online chapters|style=3 |align=center|content=
*[[Grand Galvatron Chapter|First Story]]
*[[Sky Reign Chapter|Second Story]]
*[[Megatronia Chapter|Third Story]]
*[[Baldigus Chapter, Part One|4th Story]]
*[[Baldigus Chapter, Part Two|Final Story]]
}}

==Toys==
<big>'''Regular Retail'''</big>
The normal retail ''Unite Warriors'' line had some pretty big gaps in its release schedule, including a six-month break halfway through. While this might seem odd, these gaps were filled by a number of [[exclusive]] sets sold online through [[TakaraTomy Mall]] (see below).

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[June 27|6-27]]-[[2015]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Superion (G1)#Unite Warriors|Superion]] (UW-01) ([[Air Raid (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Air Rider]], [[Fireflight (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Firebolt]], [[Silverbolt (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Silverbolt]], [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)#Unite Warriors 2|Skydive]], [[Slingshot (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Sling]])}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[August 22|8-22]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Menasor (G1)#Unite Warriors|Menasor]] (UW-02) ([[Breakdown (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Breakdown]], [[Dead End (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Dead End]], [[Drag Strip (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Drag Stripe]], [[Motormaster (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Motormaster]], [[Wildrider (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Wildrider]])}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[December 12|12-12]]-2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Devastator (G1)#Unite Warriors|Devastor]] (UW-04) ([[Bonecrusher (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Bonecrusher]], [[Hook (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Gren]], [[Long Haul (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Long Haul]], [[Mixmaster (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Mixmaster]], [[Scavenger (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Scavenger]], [[Scrapper (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Scrapper]])}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[June 25|6-15]]-[[2016]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Bruticus (G1)#Unite Warriors|Bruticus]] (UW-07) ([[Blast Off (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Blast Off]], [[Brawl (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Brawl]], [[Onslaught (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Onslaught]], [[Swindle (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Swindle]], [[Vortex (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Vorter]])}}
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|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[August 27|8-27]]-2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Computron (G1)#Unite Warriors|Computicon]] (UW-08) ([[Afterburner (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Afterburner]], [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)#Unite Warriors 2|Lightspeed]], [[Nosecone (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Nosecone]], [[Scattershot (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Scattershot]], [[Strafe (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Strafe]])}}
|}

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<big>'''Exclusives'''</big>

;[[e-HOBBY]]
<ul class="iconlist">
:{{Bp-d1|[[Grand Scourge#Unite Warriors 2|Grand Scourge]] (UW-EX)}}</ul>

;[[TakaraTomy Mall]]
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[December]] 2015)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Defensor (G1)#Unite Warriors|Guardian]] (UW-03) ([[First Aid (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|First Aid]], [[Blades (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Graze]], [[Groove (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Groove]], [[Hot Spot (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Hot Spot]], [[Streetwise (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Streetwise]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[February]] [[2016]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Maximus (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Convoy Grand Prime]] (UW-05) ([[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Convoy]], [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Ironhide]], [[Mirage (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Ligier]], [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Prowl]], [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Sunstreaker]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[April]] 2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Grand Galvatron#Unite Warriors 2|Grand Galvatron]] (UW-06) ([[Breakdown (WFC)#Unite Warriors 2|Zombie War Breakdown]], [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Tactician Cyclonus]], [[Roller (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Wandering Roller]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Ghost Starscream]], [[Thrust (Armada)#Unite Warriors 2|Curse Armada Thrust]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[October]] 2016)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Sky Reign#Unite Warriors 2|Lynxmaster]] (UW-EX) ([[Hound (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Hound]], [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Ratchet]], [[Sky Lynx (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Sky Lynx]], [[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Trailbreaker]], [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Unite Warriors|Wheeljack]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[January]] [[2017]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatronia#Unite Warriors 2|Megatronia]] (UW-EX) ([[Flowspade#Toys|Flowspade]], [[Megaempress#Toys|Megaempress]], [[Lunaclub#Unite Warriors 2|Lunaclub]], [[Moonheart#Toys|Moonheart]], [[Trickdiamond#Toys|Trickdiamond]])}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[March]] [[2017]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-cm|[[Ruination (RID)#Unite Warriors 2|Baldigus]] (UW-EX) ([[Armorhide (RID)#Unite Warriors 2|Dangar]], [[Mega-Octane#Unite Warriors 2|Dolrailer]], [[Rollbar (RID)#Unite Warriors 2|Greejeeber]], [[Ro-Tor (RID)#Unite Warriors 2|Hepter]], [[Movor#Unite Warriors 2|Shuttler]])}}
|}
{{comingsoontoy|Baldigus not yet shipped}}

==Other==
[[File:Scramble Comic cover.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]

*As a tie-in with the ''Unite Warriors'' release, the vintage [[manga]] special "[[Full Throttle Scramble Power!]]" was reprinted as an eBook by publisher [[Hero-X]].<ref>[https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%88%A6%E3%81%88%EF%BC%81%E8%B6%85%E3%83%AD%E3%83%9C%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E7%94%9F%E5%91%BD%E4%BD%93%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC-%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AF%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%83%96%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B3%E3%83%9F%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF-%E6%A3%AE%E8%97%A4%E3%82%88%E3%81%97%E3%81%B2%E3%82%8D-ebook/dp/B01C5M5MA8/ref=pd_sim_351_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=61dlqtLH9cL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR113%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=86K04KWGR2C0Q6CFJ0FR Japanese Amazon listing, citing tie-in to ''Unite Warriors'']</ref>
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==References==
{{reflist}}

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