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2012-09-13T04:04:33Z

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Miko Nakadai

2012-03-08T14:22:03Z

G1MarvelBlaster: /* Titan Magazines Prime comics */ Removing expired spoiler tag

:''Miko is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:MikoNakadai_stockimage.jpg|thumb|200px|Reckless girl who gets the two guys into troub... oh crud, it's the anti-[[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]]!]]

'''Miko Nakadai''' is a 15-year old girl from [[Japan]] with a strong love of [[United States of America|American]] pop culture... as long as it's ''loud'' pop culture! Speed metal and wild punk outfits are her thing, and she's always searching for thrills, causing trouble for her mates [[Jack Darby]] and [[Raf Esquivel]]. She's started to hang out with the Autobot [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] too, helping him get over his fear of hurting his tiny partner and encouraging him to get in trouble with her. However, when the chips are down, she'll look out for her pals and Bulky has her back.

She is sometimes known as '''Mika''' and '''Miko Nakaki'''.

{{quote|...Don't even worry about my host parents. I think I scare them.|Miko explains her extended absences from home|"[[Deus ex Machina]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Prime'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tania Gunadi]] (English), [[Pilar Puebla]] (Spain-Spanish), [[So-yeong Lee]] (Korean), [[Gea Riva]] (Italian), [[Lydia Morgenstern]] (German), [[Karla Falcon]] (Latin American Spanish) [[Andressa Andreatto]] (Brazilian Portuguese)
When living in [[Tokyo]], Miko had two loving parents and two purebreed cats, [[Chi Chi]] and [[Ding Dong (Prime)|Ding Dong]]. She went to the best school and took piano lessons from the age of three, but she found it all so boring that she jumped at the chance to transfer to [[Jasper]], [[Nevada]]. Once there, she quickly realized the brochure had lied about it being "the entertainment capital of the world", and soon piano lessons seemed pretty good in comparison. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}}

[[Image:DarknessRising1-Mikoface.jpg|left|thumb|250px|"My country produced ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|what]]''?"]]

Miko was sitting outside her high school sketching [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]], who was parked in motorcycle mode. She received a phone call from her [[Miko's host parents|host parents]], but decided to ignore it. When Jack rode off on Arcee, she decided to follow the motorcycle because it was the coolest ever. She caught up to Jack in an alley in time to overhear Arcee, who had transformed to robot mode, asking Jack to go back with her to Autobot headquarters for his own safety. When Jack hesitated, Miko encouraged him to go.

Since Miko now also knew about the Autobots, Arcee took both of the humans back to headquarters. When [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] was surprised to see three humans, Arcee wryly explained that the youngsters had [[reproduction|multiplied]]. Miko introduced herself to [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] and promptly asked a barrage of questions, leaving the Autobot at a loss for words. [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] arrived and explained about "[[Autobot|autonomous robotic organisms]]" and the Transformers' [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|civil war]]. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}}

Ratchet picked up [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]]'s signal, but believed it was a computer system error, since Cliffjumper had previously gone [[death|offline]]. Prime went to investigate anyway. Miko offered to help, but Prime told the humans to remain with Ratchet, to both Miko and Ratchet's dismay. When the humans had to return home, Prime assigned Bulkhead to watch over Miko. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 2}}

[[Image:darknessrising3_mikorocks.jpg|thumb|200px|LONDON CALLING WITH [[Cliffjumper (Prime)#Prime cartoon|THE ZOMBIES OF DEATH!!]]]]

Bulkhead didn't need much encouragement to take Miko on an offroad jaunt on their way back to base. When they eventually reached their destination, they were deserted by pretty much all of the other Autobots, leaving them at the base with Jack and Raf. Miko decided to make the best of things by organizing those remaining into a band, and she kicked off with a solo on her electric guitar. Fortunately for the others, [[William Fowler|Agent Fowler]] picked this moment to make a return visit to complain about the energon mine explosion. The kids hid behind Bulkhead, but Miko's guitar gave them away. It was only Bulkhead's intervention that stopped Fowler from taking them into custody then and there. After the agent left, the base equipment picked up a distress call from his helicopter, suggesting he'd been captured by the Decepticons. When Bulkhead used the ground bridge to mount a rescue mission, Miko tagged along, unseen until it was too late. Bulkhead noticed her when she spoke up, but so did one of the Decepticon sentries, leading Miko to witness Bulkhead disemboweling the 'con. (He'd warned her not to look, but she thought it was awesome anyway.) They were joined a short time later by Jack and Raf, who accidentally attracted the attention of more sentries on the Decepticon ship. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 3}}

[[Image:DarknessRising4-Mikophone.jpg|left|thumb|250px|See? Proof that teenagers need cell phones.]]
Miko rode in Bulkhead's back seat as he swooped in and picked up the two other kids...and then stayed in there as he drove under the ship, transformed, scaled a nearby cliff, and fought some Decepticons. After spewing on his floor mats, she knocked, and he let her out. She then discovered that the middle of a fight between Bulkhead and some Decepticons was no place for a young human to be. Once they moved into the ship, he was forced to slide her along the floor to keep her safe. They quickly ran into Arcee and Bumblebee with the two boys and, after some more fighting, the Autobots cleared a room for the kids to hide in. Miko and Jack began arguing, which upset Raf, and the pair had to console him. They then noticed a computer screen displaying important info, but before they could make a copy, a Decepticon appeared. Jack yelled to Miko to get a photo with [[Miko's phone|her cell phone]], but only after she snapped a picture of the 'con did he clarify that he meant the readout. They were subsequently rescued once again by the Autobots, and Miko observed on the way back to base that they'd succeeded in rescuing Fowler.

Miko was exuberant over their experiences as she handed over the picture, but Jack was furious that they'd all almost gotten killed. After he opted to return to his normal life, Miko paid him a visit and unsuccessfully attempted to convince him that the exciting life they had with the Autobots was much better. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}}

[[Image:DarknessRising5-BulkheadMiko.jpg|right|thumb|300px|"It's okay, big guy. ''Lots'' of off-road vehicles have tires five feet tall."]]

When they discovered that the Decepticons were using a radio dish array in [[Texas]] for their [[space bridge]], Miko accompanied Jack and Raf there to do some on-site hacking. It wasn't long before [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] spotted them and sent a tentacle to attack them, knocking Miko and Jack aside. Miko tried to strike at the appendage with an axe, only to miss and have the tentacle snatch up the weapon. They chased it into the next room, where Soundwave had severed the computer system's hard line. Miko took a picture of the Decepticon as he flew away, and he responded by snapping a picture of the three of them. Defeated, the kids returned to base, where they monitored the Autobots' progress in destroying the space bridge. After the Autobots returned, Miko wondered if Optimus would now ask them to go home and forget everything that happened. (The answer, apparently, was no.) {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

Tasked with creating a science project for school, Miko decided on a model of the solar system. Bulkhead helped her by holding it up so she could paint it, but Ratchet somehow took over all of the kids' projects, leading her to observe he was a bit of a control freak. He produced a scale model of Cybertron for her which was not well received at school, and Miko presumably did not achieve a high grade on it. {{storylink|Masters & Students}}

[[Image:Scrapheap-Mikoaghast.jpg|thumb|200px|left|"I know, right?"]]

The kids arrived at base one Saturday just as Optimus and Arcee were heading out on a mission. She challenged Jack to a video game, but soon found herself on the losing end, at least until a random power fluctuation stopped the game. The reason for the malfunctions was revealed when Raf returned to the control room with a small metal critter the Autobots called a [[Scraplet]]. The day proceeded to be a series of surprises for Miko. First, Raf killed the Scraplet he'd found with a crowbar after it attacked Bumblebee, and second, when she was Scraplet-hunting with Bulkhead, she discovered that the large Autobot screamed like a little girl. After they returned to the control room, she helped Jack and Raf fight the Scraplets off their Autobot friends. A plan was formulated to rid the base of Scraplets using the ground bridge, which meant the three kids had to repair an [[energon]] fuel line rupture. After the successful expulsion of the invaders, they helped repair Bulkhead and Bumblebee, but Miko was scared off by an itsy bitsy spider. {{storylink|Scrapheap (episode)|Scrapheap}}

Miko was excited by the news that a new Autobot, [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]], was coming to Earth, but figured if he was going to stick around, he'd have to find his own human. She hit it off with Wheeljack right away, and when the Autobots decided to celebrate, brought out her electric guitar. The kids listened to Bulkhead's tales of the old days on Cybertron, and then Wheeljack asked Miko to show him around the base. She answered all of his questions about where the base was and the contents of the armory, but after they returned to the control room, Bulkhead unmasked Wheeljack as a [[Makeshift (Prime)|Decepticon impostor]]. The impostor took Miko hostage, threatening to squish her. After the ground bridge was activated, the real Wheeljack came through and hit the impostor, knocking Miko out of his grip and into Bulkhead's waiting hand. Once the impostor was disposed of, they again partied and Miko played her guitar some more. The three kids turned out to see Wheeljack off as he left for space, and Miko snapped off a picture of him and Bulkhead on her cell phone. {{storylink|Con Job}}

[[Image:JackFireExtinguisherMikoAxe.jpg|thumb|250px|"We're the stars, you're generic goons. ''Just walk away.''"]]

When the Autobots helped Fowler move a hi-tech device, the kids observed their progress from base with Ratchet. The [[Dynamic Nuclear Generation System]] was in danger of being captured by [[MECH]], and Miko had the bright idea that Ratchet could ground bridge them onto the speeding train that was transporting the object. With some help from Raf, Ratchet got Jack and Miko on the train, and Miko grabbed a fire ax to try and defend the device with. The MECH goons ended up retreating after seeing Optimus. [[Silas]] blew up the track ahead of the train, and for a few moments, Jack and Miko thought they were doomed—Miko even asked Raf to make sure Bulkhead got her beloved electric guitar—but Optimus managed to stop the train in time. {{storylink|Convoy (episode)|Convoy}}

Miko skipped out of detention one day when Bulkhead arrived outside the school, earning herself a lecture. Bulkhead took her on a mission to [[Greece]], with the theory that she could use the time to work on her history report, but instead they found an ancient fresco showing an [[Energon Harvester]]. [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] arrived and used Bulkhead to break the fresco, but luckily, Miko had already snapped a picture of it with her phone. When Raf located the actual Harvester in a museum, Miko volunteered the services of the three kids to go in and retrieve it. After some deft work disabling a security camera with her phone, she, Jack and Raf were able to swipe the Harvester, but while making their escape, Miko was caught by a [[museum security guard|security guard]]. While they waited for the police, Miko bored him with every bit of knowledge she could remember about Greek history. Eventually, Fowler arrived to bail her out, and she happily told Bulkhead that she was going to write her history project on how the Autobots interacted with ancient races. {{storylink|Deus ex Machina}}

At school, Miko and Raf heard all about Jack's race with [[Vince]], the local bully, and they congratulated him when he reached the Autobot base. He swore them both to secrecy. After Vince challenged Jack to another race but Arcee refused to take part, Miko helped Jack convince Raf to let him take Bumblebee instead. Miko and Raf subsequently failed to cover for Jack and Bumblebee's absence, first with Arcee, and then with Optimus. {{storylink|Speed Metal}}

After Optimus was struck down with a [[Cybonic plague]] and Arcee and Bumblebee infiltrated the Decepticon ship, the three kids watched Ratchet monitor the pair's progress as Arcee patched Bumblebee into the comatose Megatron's mind to find the cure. {{storylink|Sick Mind}} Miko later acted as referee for a basketball game between Bulkhead and Bumblebee. {{storylink|Out of His Head}}

[[Image:Shadowzone-shadow.jpg|thumb|250px|left|[[Dull surprise]]?]]

When the Autobots detected a Dark Energon signal, Miko cheered Bulkhead on, but her seeming not to want to go alone made Jack and Raf suspicious. Sure enough, she made a break for the GroundBridge, and though Jack tried to stop her, she and the two boys ended up on the battlefield. The Autobots finally noticed them when she realized that she'd lost her cellphone and yelled at Jack. The kids were promptly sent back through the bridge, but interference from a Decepticon GroundBridge caused a disruption which deposited the trio in a [[shadowzone (dimension)|shadowzone]] dimension. Unable to be seen or heard by the Autobots, they were pursued by [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] who had been resurrected as a [[zombie]] by [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]]. After Raf dropped his glasses, Miko risked her life to retrieve them. The kids managed to send a text to Miko's phone back at base to alert the Autobots, and attempted to use Starscream's severed arm against the rampaging Skyquake but only succeeded in dislodging his arm, which promptly began chasing them as well. The three kids returned to reality through a special GroundBridge portal engineered by Ratchet and, much to Jack's surprise, Miko took responsibility for the entire mess. Optimus said she'd suffered enough though. {{storylink|Shadowzone (episode)|Shadowzone}}

After Bulkhead was knocked out during a fight with Breakdown, Miko eventually managed to reach him on the comms, and he requested a GroundBridge back to base. She was disappointed to learn that Bulkhead hadn't manage to trash his foe, who had instead been snatched by MECH. She was even more dismayed when Bulkhead refused to go on the mission to rescue his arch-enemy, insisting that he should be the one to do it so that he could have a rematch. Even ''[[Dinolizard vs. Five-Headed Ape]]'' wasn't enough to distract her, and she eventually talked Bulkhead into going to [[Russia]] on his own to try to rescue Breakdown. {{storylink|Operation: Breakdown}}

Miko was at the Autobot base when Jack and Arcee brought [[June Darby|Jack's mom]] in to introduce her to everyone. {{storylink|Crisscross}} Unfortunately Jack's killjoy mom started making a habit of hanging out at the base, so things weren't as fun as they had been before. When Miko wanted to go on a mission with Bulkhead, he felt obliged to tell her to stay put because it wouldn't be safe. Miko managed to sneak along anyway, and persuaded Arcee not to make her go back to base. Though Arcee made them turn the rock music off, Miko got to hang out with Bulkhead, at least until they found Breakdown and [[Airachnid]]. From the cover of rocks, Miko attempted to snap a picture of the fight, only to have her phone snatched from her hand. The Decepticons' [[polarity gauntlet]] stuck Arcee and Bulkhead together, and as the further pursuit would be dangerous, Arcee insisted on Miko returning to base, causing the girl to complain loudly that Arcee was as bad as Jack's mom. After the mission, Miko took a picture of Bulkhead's new battle scars. {{storylink|Metal Attraction}}

[[Image:RockBottom-Mikocries.jpg‎|250px|thumb|"The fandom ''hates'' me?"]]
Miko was looking forward to a [[Slash Monkey]] concert when she was roped into going to an [[Stripped energon mine|old energon mine]] with Jack, Bulkhead and Arcee. After complaining a lot, she slipped inside to test the mine's acoustics, only for a cave-in to occur, trapping her and Bulkhead. While Bulkhead supported the roof so it didn't crush them both, Miko attempted to clear some of the rocks but eventually became exhausted. They were eventually found, but not by Arcee as they'd hoped, but by Starscream. After the Decepticon chased her around a bit, Jack arrived on a mining drill. Tearfully, she left Bulkhead behind and the two kids made a break for the surface. After Arcee rescued Bulkhead, they joined the two kids and escaped from the mine. {{storylink|Rock Bottom}}

Bulkhead and Miko sneaked into a monster truck rally and Miko recorded parts of it on her phone. A week later, they were reviewing the footage when Bulkhead was called into the field to help retrieve [[Cybertronian data cylinder]]. Unimpressed at being told to clean the place by Ratchet, Miko followed Bulkhead and attempted to move the cylinder, but only succeeded in making it eject its contents into Bulkhead's cranium. Though Bulkhead seemed fine at first, he started painting formula at a mad rate, and when Miko realized he was beginning to forget things, she had it confirmed by Ratchet that the data from the cylinder was slowly destroying Bulkhead's mind. In an attempt to try and jog Bulkhead's memory, she took him to the monster truck track, only to be found by [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] and Breakdown. Miko attempted to conceal Bulkhead and contact the other Autobots, but when the searching Decepticons found Bulkhead, she tried to stop them removing his head. She again triggered the cylinder energy, which left Bulkhead and fired off into space. She believed that the energy had taken Bulkhead's mind with it, and was near inconsolable until something Ratchet said prompted her to get out her guitar, and the sound from it caused the comatose Bulkhead to wake up. {{storylink|T.M.I.}}

Miko lent her voice to "Mars Cat", which Raf used to cover up evidence of the Autobots which had found its way on to conspiracy websites. After Raf was gravely injured in an attack, Miko watched Ratchet and Mrs. Darby work to save his life, and gave him a hug when they succeeded. {{storylink|One Shall Fall}}

When June attempted to take the children with her when she left the base, Miko refused to go, asserting that neither June nor Bulkhead were her mother. As the Autobots discussed the ramifications of [[Unicron]] being at the center of the Earth, Miko wondered if Unicron would stretch and make the Earth explode. Optimus wasn't sure. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

The humans listened as the Autobots battled giant stone Unicrons, and as Megatron arrived to offer to help the Autobots defeat Unicron. Miko was alarmed at the thought that Unicron would remain in the Earth's core after his defeat, but Raf and Ratchet explained that Unicron ''was'' the Earth's core and removing him would not be possible. To Miko's annoyance, the humans were instructed to hide when Megatron arrived. After Raf ran out to confront the Decepticon leader, Miko got her chance to holler that she would make sure Megatron would regret double-crossing any of her friends, and had to be dragged away by Fowler. The humans all watched the Autobots and Megatron step through the GroundBridge into Earth's core. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 2}}

Ratchet told the kids about Optimus back when he was Orion Pax, and how he got the Matrix. Miko and Raf were both concerned when they lost the Autobots' signals. The kids all took shelter underneath Ratchet when the ground started shaking, but were overjoyed when it turned out Prime's team had succeeded. They welcomed the Autobots back, but were shocked by the loss of Optimus, who had become amnesiac. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

When it was determined they would need to reach Cybertron to deal with the problem, Miko suggested using the GroundBridge, adding that Ratchet could turbo-charge it when Raf pointed out that it could barely reach orbit. She was present at base when the Autobots failed to stop the Decepticons from stealing a power source for a new space bridge, and thought Jack's plan to commandeer the Decepticon bridge was a good idea. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 1}} Miko turned out to see Jack off as he left for Cybertron, though she seemed more concerned with how Jack was going to use the toilet in the spacesuit Fowler had supplied. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 2}}
{{spoiler|Orion Pax, Part 3|March 10, 2012}}
Miko and the others monitored Jack's mission on Cybertron until he returned with the Autobots and a restored Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 3}}

===Titan Magazines ''Prime'' comics===
[[Image:Titan4.2 Miko wants storytime.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
Mika {{sic}} was impressed with the size of the [[Safe]] that Ratchet had built. Following the discovery of a nuclear bomb, when Jack pointed out there were enemy blips on the monitor, Mika suggested it was just a console game. She badgered Raf to hurry up while he was trying to defuse the nuke, much to his annoyance. He finally succeeded, to cheers from Mika and Jack. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.1|The Safe and the Failsafe}}

When the Autobots took the kids on a trip to [[Valley of Fire State Park]], Miko Nakaki {{sic}} persuaded Optimus to tell them a story from the war. Optimus told them about one time when Megatron acted in a compassionate manner, and Miko was disappointed that it ended in Optimus letting Megatron go. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.2|War Story}}

Miko watched while Bulkhead tried to decorate a [[Christmas]] tree, though she didn't defend him when Arcee and Jack started with the mocking. After the kids were left at the base with Arcee and Bulkhead, Raf suggested the two Autobots try to find something they had in common. They didn't get very far until Miko suggested they think of something Winter related. This resulted in them turning the base into an ice rink, though Miko proved a less-than-stellar skater. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.3|Ice Breaker}}

When Raf became hypnotised and let a bunch of Vehicons into the base, Miko looked at the box for the game he'd been playing and noticed the Decepticon insignia on the side. Jack reasoned that the game was controlling their friend, so Miko ripped the game console from the TV and threw it aside, successfully waking up Raf. After Raf used a loopback to violently suck all the Decepticons he'd let in back through the GroundBridge, Miko asked if they could do it again. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.4|Tinker, Tailor, Gamer, Spy!}}

Miko was disappointed that their school wasn't one of the schools that exploded. She cheered up when Optimus announced he was taking the three of them out of school though. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.5|School Is... Out!}}

==Toys==
===Prime===
{{anchor|EntertainmentPack}}
[[Image:Primetoy-JackMikoRaf.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Suck it, [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]]!]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron''' (5 figure gift set, 2011)
: A PVC figurine of Miko comes with figurines of [[Jack Darby]] and [[Raf Esquivel]], as well as Deluxe-Class toys of [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]. As with the other two figures, Miko's head can turn and she can be removed from her stand.
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==Notes==
* During the ''Transformers: Prime'' presentation at San Diego Comic-Con 2010, Miko was given the surname "Tezuka", likely an early name for the character. <ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwhJPGFEzy0#t=7m35s "Transformers: Prime" panel at San Diego Comic-Con 2010]</ref> With the surname change, the franchise was sadly robbed of having [[wikipedia:Miko|a priestess]] of ''[[wikipedia:Osamu Tezuka|Astro Boy]]''.

* According to the producers, Miko is [[Polygon Pictures]]' favourite character, so they add more expressive motions to even her simplest actions in the script.<ref>[http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/36193/transformers-prime-premiere-report-and-video-clip-plus-season-two-confirmation ToonZone season 1 interview]</ref>

* In both "[[Darkness Rising, Part 5]]" and "[[Convoy (episode)|Convoy]]", Miko's weapon of choice is an [[Axe (weapon)|axe]].

* The Titan comics like to get her name wrong a different way each issue.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Miko Nakadai''' (ミコ・ナカダイ)

==External links==
* [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/characters/miko-nakadai Miko's character page at Hubworld.com]

==References==
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Raf Esquivel

2012-03-08T14:20:58Z

G1MarvelBlaster: /* Titan Magazines Prime comics */ Removing expired spoiler tag

:''Raf Esquivel is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''
[[Image:Raf_stockimage.jpg|thumb|200px|[[wikipedia:Esquivel!|Esquivel!]]]]

He's the quiet, forgotten child of a large family, and he goes into "the zone" whenever he sees technology. You'd think he'd be constantly getting wedgies from nearby punks and biker kids, but no! '''Rafael "Raf" Esquivel''' is, in fact, best mates with [[Miko Nakadai]] and [[Jack Darby]]! Even more incredible, he's best mates with [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee, a robot car from outer space]], and since other Autobots like [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] are unfamiliar with human technology, he's called on at [[Autobot Central Command]] to use his know-how to save the world!

When you were twelve years old, you ''wished'' you were Raf.

(Okay, he's twelve and a ''quarter''. A very big quarter! He's very specific about that.)

==Fiction==
===''Prime'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Andy Pessoa]] (English), [[Diana Torres]] (Spain-Spanish), [[Do-hyeong Nam]] (Korean), [[Davide Garbolino]] (Italian), [[Christian Zeiger]] (German), [[Alan García]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Alex Minei]] (Brazilian Portuguese)

[[Image:OutHead-Very large family.jpg|thumb|250px|]]

Born into a large family, Raf has often felt like the smallest member and been ignored by older family members even if he were shouting for attention. {{storylink|Out of His Head}} He has been able to understand digital code since he was three. {{storylink|Raf's Notes}}

[[Image:DarknessRising1-RafRC.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Who needs parental supervision?]]

Raf was playing with his radio-controlled car in a dry drainage canal when he got a call from his mother, and he promised he'd come home after another five minutes. Playtime was interrupted shortly when Jark Darby executed a motorcycle leap into the canal. Raf was impressed by that, but more so when the motorcycle turned out to be an alien robot in disguise. [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] fought against two [[Decepticon]]s and was soon joined by [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]], who accidentally crushed Raf's toy underfoot. Raf wasn't too upset by the loss, and when Bumblebee was subsequently pinned down by the Decepticons, Raf courageously yelled at them to leave Bumblebee alone. He and Jack then fled up a storm drain as the Decepticons came after them, but his distraction helped the Autobots eventually win the battle.

After school the next day, Jack approached Raf and suggested they keep the whole thing to themselves. It wasn't that easy, as Bumblebee picked that moment to drive up to take Raf back to base. Raf was able to understand Bumblebee's buzzing, and he pointed out the nearby Arcee, who had come for Jack. At base, he, Jack and their friend [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] marveled at [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] and [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] before [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] briefed them on the ongoing Autobot/Decepticon war. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}} When an alarm went off, Raf translated Bumblebee's statement that it was a proximity alert. He, Jack and Miko hid to avoid being seen by Agent [[William Fowler|Fowler]], who was paying a visit to complain to Prime about recent Autobot activities.

A signal sent most of the Autobots rushing off on a mission, leaving the three kids with Ratchet. Raf made himself useful by helping the medical bot get the silo's aging computer system to work. Once the mission was over, Raf realised it was getting late and he was going to be grounded for a month if he didn't get home, so Optimus assigned Bumblebee to take him back and watch over him. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 2}}

Bumblebee and Raf were delayed getting back to the base because they stopped off to play a video game (which Raf lost). When they finally got there, Optimus promptly left on a mission with Ratchet, and Arcee and Bumblebee further abandoned the kids, leaving them with Bulkhead. Raf attempted to join in Miko's attempt to form a band by offering to play samples on his laptop. Another visit by Fowler resulted in the federal agent being captured by the Decepticons, and Raf used his hacking skills to locate Fowler. After Bulkhead departed to try and deal with it, Jack and Raf realized that Miko had sneaked after the Autobot. They used the [[GroundBridge]] to join the pair, arriving near the [[Nemesis (Prime)|Decepticon ship]], where they were spotted by sentries. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 3}}

[[Image:DarknessRising4-Rafconsoled.jpg|right|thumb|250px|"Come on, Raf, you knew Stargate had to end some day."]]

Bulkhead rescued the pair while they were under fire and dropped them off behind some cover before heading into the ship. Unfortunately, the pair were spotted by the Decepticons a short time later and found themselves being carried to the brig. Arcee and Bumblebee rescued them both, and the combined group found Bulkhead and Miko. The kids soon discovered that the middle of a battle—especially between giant robots—is not the healthiest place to be. The Autobots cleared out a room for them to hide in, but Jack and Miko began arguing as soon as the 'bots left. Raf became upset, and the other two had to console him, but his fears were soon forgotten when Jack pointed out an important-looking computer display. Raf's flash drive proved useless when he couldn't find a USB port, and they were interrupted by a Decepticon anyway. While Raf was fetching his backpack, the Decepticon spotted him and opened fire. He was only saved by Jack tackling him behind a Decepticon corpse. The kids legged it, and Bulkhead handily picked that moment to turn up and deal with the Decepticon. Back at the Autobot base, Jack decided to opt out of the exciting new life they'd found, and he suggested Raf do likewise, but Raf was content to stay put. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}}

[[Image:DarknessRising5-RafSoundwave.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Allow me to be the Peter Parker to your Doctor Octopus.]]

After the Autobots went to try and prevent Megatron from using his space bridge, they discovered that the Decepticon ship no longer had the ability to target the space bridge on Cybertron. Raf suggested that the Decepticons must be using a radio dish array in [[Texas]] for targeting. He attempted to hack into the installation's computer, but found that the computers there were too secure. At Jack's suggestion, he, Jack and Miko bridged to the array and accessed it via a computer in a spare room. Raf found he was able to download the space bridge plans, and when the Decepticons diverted the dishes, he could redirect them again. Unfortunately, [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] was in the next room, and he sent a tentacle to attack them. Though Raf was determined to keep working, he was knocked aside. Soundwave set the dishes to target Cybertron and disabled the computer. The three kids ran into the room in time to see Soundwave leaving and discover his handiwork. Back at base, Raf supplied Ratchet with the space bridge plans so he could instruct the other Autobots on how to sabotage the bridge. Raf was later present to welcome the Autobots back from their space battle. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

To cover for his visits to the Autobot base, Raf told his mom that he'd joined the Computer Club. {{storylink|Raf's Notes}} Raf decided on building a model volcano as a science project for school, though initial tests resulted in an explosion that rocked the Autobot base. He and Bumblebee continued work on it until Bumblebee had to leave on a mission, and Ratchet decided to "assist". Ratchet ended up building a large metal volcano, which blew a hole in the roof when Raf presented it at school. {{storylink|Masters & Students}} He had to stay behind to help repair the damage, which took more than a little explaining. {{storylink|Raf's Notes}}

[[Image:Scrapheap-adorableScraplet.jpg|thumb|right|200px|It's not dangerous enough to go alone. Take this.]]
The kids arrived at base one Saturday just as Optimus and Arcee were heading off to the [[Arctic]] on a mission. Raf was keen to go as well, having never seen snow, but Optimus told him it would be too dangerous. Disappointed, Raf went to play "being in the Arctic" in a base corridor, where he stumbled on a [[Scraplet]]. Raf was enchanted by the little creature and took it back to the control room, where it attacked Bumblebee and Raf had to smash it to death with a crowbar. The Autobots realised the base was infected, and Raf teamed up with Bumblebee as they hunted for more Scraplets. They found some, only for Bumblebee to be attacked. Returning to the control room, they were set upon by ''more'' Scraplets, and Raf helped Jack and Miko fight them off of the 'bots. With time running out, the three kids repaired an [[energon]] fuel line so Ratchet could get the GroundBridge working again and send the Scraplets to the Arctic. Afterwards, the kids helped repair the damaged Autobots. {{storylink|Scrapheap (episode)|Scrapheap}}

With the arrival of [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]], the Autobots decided to party. Miko brought out her electric guitar and encouraged Raf to try some moves. He responded by reluctantly breaking into The Robot, which Bumblebee proceeded to copy. When Wheeljack was found out as a Decepticon impostor, Raf and Jack watching in alarm as he took Miko hostage. Following the return of the real Wheeljack and the impostor's ejection, the Autobots had another party, during which Raf busted out his disco moves. He, Miko and Jack later saw Wheeljack off when the Autobot returned to space. {{storylink|Con Job}}

When the Autobots helped Fowler move a hi-tech device, the kids observed their progress from base with Ratchet. The [[Dynamic Nuclear Generation System]] was in danger of being captured by [[MECH]], and Raf was able to pinpoint the exact position of the train it was on so Ratchet could GroundBridge Jack and Miko on board. He followed that up by hacking into the rail system and changing some points to send the train down a different track, however the MECH guys responded by overloading his laptop. {{storylink|Convoy (episode)|Convoy}} Ratchet later helped him fix it. {{storylink|Raf's Notes|Raf's Notes #5}}

When the Autobots discovered that an [[Energon Harvester]] was possibly on Earth, Raf used his Internet search skills to trace it to a museum. Miko roped Jack and Raf into helping to steal it. The three of them GroundBridged into the museum on a scissor lift and set about dislodging the device from the statue holding it. However, during their getaway, Miko was grabbed by a [[museum security guard|security guard]] and Raf and Jack ran into Soundwave. Back at base, Raf continued their attempts to contact Fowler so they could retrieve Miko. {{storylink|Deus ex Machina}}

[[Image:SpeedMetal-RafMikolying.jpg|thumb|left|200px|It would seem that the Autobots aren't the only ones who go into 'robot mode' under pressure.]]

Miko and Raf heard all about Jack's race with [[Vince]] at school, and congratulated him when he reached the Autobot base. He swore them both to secrecy. After Vince challenged Jack to another race but Arcee refused to take part, Jack tried to convince Raf to let him take Bumblebee instead. Raf was uncertain it was a good idea, but Miko managed to convince him. He and Miko were later playing a computer game when Arcee wondered where Jack was, and they failed to cover for their friend. When Optimus asked where everyone else was, they completely failed to keep that secret too. {{storylink|Speed Metal}}

[[Image:OutHead-Notonlyones.jpg|250px|thumb|Raf finally got to see snow!]]

After Optimus was struck down with a [[Cybonic plague]] and Arcee and Bumblebee infiltrated the Decepticon ship, the three kids watched Ratchet monitor the pair's progress. Raf was particularly concerned when Arcee patched Bumblebee into the comatose Megatron's mind in an attempt to find a cure for the plague. {{storylink|Sick Mind}} Raf was a spectator for the subsequent basketball game between Bulkhead and Bumblebee, but was surprised at some of Bumblebee's behavior during the game. When Bumblebee failed to pick Raf up for school, Raf rang Jack. Back at base, it turned out that Bumblebee was having visions of Megatron, and Ratchet had to induce a power-down mode. Raf stayed to keep his friend company, chatting about how he was saving up for a new laptop and showing off a picture of his family to Ratchet. Raf followed Bumblebee to the control room after the Autobot spontaneously reactivated and disappeared into the GroundBridge. It transpired that Bumblebee had been possessed by Megatron, though Megatron's control was not great enough that Bumblebee couldn't prevent him from injuring Raf. Raf insisted on accompanying Ratchet, and they followed Bumblebee through the GroundBridge to the Decepticon ship, where they found Bumblebee in the process of transferring Megatron's mind back to his comatose body. Though the pair tried their best, and Raf even managed to get Bumblebee to break free from Megatron's control, ultimately, Megatron returned to his body, and the trio were forced to retreat. Back at base, Bumblebee thanked Raf for helping him. {{storylink|Out of His Head}}

[[Image:Shadowzone-shadow.jpg|thumb|250px|left]]

When Miko seemed totally disinterested in a mission the Autobots were going on, Jack and Raf suspected she was up to something, and sure enough, she made a break for the GroundBridge. Jack and Raf were forced to follow her through and ended up on the battlefield. Once the Autobots spotted the trio, Ratchet ordered them to return through the bridge, however interference from a Decepticon GroundBridge caused a disruption. When they came to, the children found that the Autobots couldn't see or hear them, and Raf theorized that the three kids were sent to an alternate dimension he dubbed the [[shadowzone (dimension)|shadowzone]] (Miko's response was basically NERD!). Unable to be seen or heard by the Autobots, they were pursued by [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] who had been resurrected as a zombie by Starscream. Raf tripped while fleeing and almost lost his glasses, without which he was blind as a bat, but Miko retrieved them for him. The kids were eventually able to take advantage of the fact that Miko had dropped her phone at the base, and sent a text message to it. They also attempted to use Starscream's severed arm to fend off Skyquake, but only succeeded in dislodging the zombie's arm, which began chasing them. They escaped back to the real world through a portal created by Ratchet. {{storylink|Shadowzone (episode)|Shadowzone}}

Raf was at the Autobot base when Jack and Arcee brought [[June Darby|Jack's mom]] in to introduce her to everyone. {{storylink|Crisscross}} He and Miko had a wild ride to the base in Bulkhead, but after they realized that Jack's mom was there, Raf assured her that he and Miko had been wearing their seat belts. He hung out at base while Bulkhead and Arcee went on a mission to retrieve a [[polarity gauntlet]], and later admired Bulkhead's new battle scars. {{storylink|Metal Attraction}}

Ratchet tested out some new synthetic energon while Raf watched. It was such a success that Raf was ready to try it on Bumblebee, but Ratchet warned that it needed further testing before they could try it on an Autobot. A short time after the other Autobots went out on a mission, Raf found Ratchet unconscious on the floor, having tried the synthetic energon on himself, and managed to wake the Autobot. When Arcee got into trouble, Ratchet left Raf in charge of the GroundBridge and went out to help. The Autobots soon returned to base, and Ratchet fondly picked up Raf for a moment. {{storylink|Stronger, Faster}}

In their spare time, the kids would track down pictures of the Autobots on conspiracy web sites, so Raf could hack in and replace them with pictures of lolcats. Raf rode in Bumblebee to play with his remote-controlled car, but first Bumblebee was called to a battle, and then they were attacked by Megatron. A burst of energon from Megatron's cannon struck Bumblebee, infecting Raf with Dark Energon and leaving him in a dire state. The Autobots took him back to base, where Ratchet and June Darby fought to save his life. After Ratchet discovered the nature of the energon infecting Raf, he gave the boy an infusion of real energon, and Raf finally began to recover. {{storylink|One Shall Fall}}

Raf was looking somewhat more perkier by the time they rescued Optimus from Megatron, however June still felt it necessary to take Raf to a real hospital, and she didn't intend on letting Raf return to the Autobots afterwards. Raf sadly watched Bumblebee from June's car as they left. The car didn't get very far before they were almost struck by lightning, and then the car was sucked towards a nearby tornado. Bumblebee came to the pair's rescue, pulling them out of the car before it was pulled into the tornado, and returning them to base where the Autobots worked out that [[Unicron]] was behind all the strange natural disasters now plaguing Earth. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

The humans listened as the Autobots battled giant stone Unicrons, and as Megatron arrived to offer to help the Autobots defeat Unicron. When Miko and Jack wondered about extracting Unicron's from the Earth's core, Raf pointed out that Unicron ''was'' the Earth's core. The humans concealed themselves as Megatron arrived, but Raf was unable to stop himself running out to confront the Decepticon leader, and had to be restrained by the others. The humans all watched the Autobots and Megatron step through the GroundBridge into Earth's core. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 2}}

Ratchet told the kids about Optimus back when he was Orion Pax, and how he got the Matrix. Miko and Raf were both concerned when they lost the Autobots' signals. The kids all took shelter underneath Ratchet when the ground started shaking, but were overjoyed when it turned out Prime's team had succeeded. They welcomed the Autobots back, but were shocked by the loss of Optimus, who had become amnesiac. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

When it was determined that they would need to somehow get to Cybertron, Miko suggested using the GroundBridge, but Raf pointed out that it could barely reach orbit, so unless Ratchet somehow souped it up, it wouldn't work. He later saw Ratchet working on it, though Ratchet claimed to merely be tinkering. Raf was also at base after the Autobots failed to stop the Decepticons from stealing a power supply for a space bridge. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 1}}

Raf assisted Ratchet in testing the modified GroundBridge, and when the test failed, he tried to cheer up the despondent Autobot with an inspiring tale of overcoming adversity. As Jack prepared to leave for Cybertron, Raf asked him to pick up a souvenir. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 2}}

{{spoiler|Orion Pax, Part 3|March 10, 2012}}
Raf and the others monitored Jack's progress from base, until he returned with the Autobots and a restored Optimus Prime. During the reunion, Raf gave Bumblebee a hug. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 3}}
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===Titan Magazines ''Prime'' comics===
[[Image:Titan4.1 Raf checks out Safe.jpg|thumb|right|200px|OMG, SQUEE! Are there death rays?!]]
Raf was particularly impressed with the [[Safe]], a training room Ratchet set up in a lower-level of the base. When the Autobots accidentally uncovered a live nuke in the process of testing the room, Raf was left with Ratchet to work out how to defuse it and as Raf was the expert on Earth technology, Ratchet deferred the problem to him. After a moment's panic, Raf correctly identified the type of timer mechanism and reprogrammed it to count upwards, giving them vastly more time to do something about the bomb itself. After Fowler and a team of scientists arrived to deal with the missile, Ratchet suggested that Raf and Bulkhead design a new Safe, and Raf's first idea was a popup Megatron target range. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.1|The Safe and the Failsafe}}

When the Autobots took the kids to [[Valley of Fire State Park]], Raf read up on the area from the park guidebook and impressed the others with his knowledge, though he thought it made him sound geeky. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.2|War Story}} While the Autobots decorated their base for [[Christmas]], Raf and Bumblebee played video games together. Optimus had to take Bumblebee and Ratchet with him, leaving Arcee and Bulkhead at base with the kids, and Raf suggested they try to find something they had in common. When this didn't go well, Jack asked what plan B was, and Raf suggested Jenga. Eventually the two Autobots settled on ice skating, and they turned the base into an ice rink. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.3|Ice Breaker}}

Raf got hold of the latest video game ''[[Invasionauts II]]''. He played it for three hours with Bulkhead before the Decepticon coding implanted in it hypnotised him and got him to open the [[GroundBridge]] to a location near the [[Grand Canyon]] so that hordes of [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] could flood through. Once Jack and Miko managed to snap him out of his trance, he turned the GroundBridge into a loopback, sucking the Decepticons back through, and resolved to avoid playing video games for a while. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.4|Tinker, Tailor, Gamer, Spy!}}

He was unimpressed by Miko's joke that it was bad that their school wasn't one of the ones which had mysteriously blown up. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.5|School Is... Out!}}
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==Toys==
===Prime===
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[[Image:Primetoy-JackRafNYCC.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Raf had to hunt far and wide for a New York-themed sweater vest.]]
*'''Bumblebee and Arcee, Includes Raf Esquivel and Jack Darby''' (NYCC 2011 exclusive)
: The [[Jack Darby]] and Raf Esquivel figurines were [[redeco]]ed in New York-themed shirts and came with redecoed figures of [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] and [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]]. They were sold exclusively at New York Comic-Con 2011.
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[[Image:Primetoy-JackMikoRaf.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Where's my mouth?]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron''' (5 figure gift set, 2011)
: A PVC figurine of Raf comes with figurines of [[Jack Darby]] and [[Miko Nakadai]], as well as Deluxe-Class toys of [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]. As with the other two figures, Raf's head can turn and he can be removed from his stand.
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==Notes==
* Raf told his [[Raf's mother|mother]] that he joined the Computer Club to explain where he goes after school all the time.<ref name="notes1">[[Raf's Notes]] #1</ref>
* Even Raf doesn't know why he understands Bumblebee. He just makes perfect sense.<ref name="notes1" />

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Rafael Esquivel''' (ラファイエル・エスキベル ''Rafaieru Esukiberu'')

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/characters/raf Raf's character page @ Hubworld.com]
* [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/rafs-notes Raf's Notes @ Hubworld.com]

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[[Category: Prime humans]]

Jack Darby

2012-03-08T14:19:58Z

G1MarvelBlaster: /* Titan Magazines Prime comics */ Removing expired spoiler tag

:''Jack is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)| Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:JackDarby_stockimage.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Sam Witwicky]] called, he wants his <s>clothes</s> <s>personality</s> life back.]]

'''Jackson "Jack" Darby''' is a smart, responsible sixteen-year old dude. Before he met the Autobots, he was hard at work flipping burgers so he could save up for his first motorbike; now, he helps fight the monstrous Decepticons alongside his friends [[Miko Nakadai]] and [[Raf Esquivel]]. Only two things get past his responsibility and intelligence: badass bikes and the need to impress girls. Since his guardian Autobot is [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]], he gets both at once! While she's not thrilled to guard him, his heroic qualities are winning her over.

==Fiction==
===''Prime'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Josh Keaton]] (English), [[Jorge Saudinós]] (Spain-Spanish), [[Sang-hyeon Eom]] (Korean), [[Paolo De Santis]] (Italian), [[Nico Sablik]] (German), [[Arturo Castañeda]] (Latin American-Spanish)
[[Image:DarknessRising1-JackKOBurger.jpg|left|thumb|250px|[[KO Burger]] has a pretty lax dress code.]]
Jack's menial after-school job at the drive-thru at [[KO Burger]] was getting him down, with rude customers who took food without paying. As he knocked off and reported in to his mom by phone, he spotted a sweet motorcycle in the parking lot. While he was admiring it and promising one day he'd have enough money to buy a motorcycle just like it, he was caught talking to it by [[Sierra]] and [[Sierra's friend|her friend]], causing him to trip over his words somewhat. He was saved from further embarrassment when the motorcycle — in reality Arcee — took off with him still on board as she was being chased by two Decepticon cars. After a short chase, she warned him not to tell anyone and let him go, only for one of the Decepticons to start following him, forcing her to pick him up again. The chase ended up in a drainage canal, where Jack encountered Raf for the first time, and the pair watched Arcee and [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] duke it out, before hastily making an escape when one of the Decepticons started chasing them.

[[Image:Jack Darby Arcee Darkness Rising 1.jpg|thumb|300px|You think that's embarrassing? You haven't heard him scream yet.]]

Jack later met Raf outside the high school and suggested to the boy that they keep the adventure to themselves, but Bumblebee and Arcee turned up to take the pair back to the [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|Autobot base]]. Jack wasn't keen, but the pair were spotted arguing by Miko, who loudly encouraged him to go, and as a result accompanied Jack on Arcee back to base. The three kids were awestruck by the Autobots and their headquarters, and [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] explained to them the whole Cybertronian war. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}} Jack was keen to get home, much to Miko's disgust, however they were interrupted by a visit by Agent [[William Fowler|Fowler]], forcing the three kids to hide. The kids we left at base with Ratchet when the rest of the Autobots left on a mission, and tried not to get under Ratchet's feet.

When the Autobots returned empty-handed, Jack whisked Miko away before her exuberance could become too tactless. He pointed out to Optimus that he really needed to get home as it was almost 10 and he had a curfew. Prime assigned Arcee to watch over him. Of course, when Jack got home, he had a job explaining when he'd gotten the motorcycle to [[June Darby|his mother]]. The next morning, Arcee woke him early, though it was a Saturday, as they had to get to the Autobot base promptly. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 2}}

On the way back, Arcee showed off some fancy riding skills. They reached the base at the same time as Bulkhead and Bumblebee, however Optimus immediately left on a mission with Ratchet. Arcee, left in charge, opted to go out on patrol with Bumblebee, leaving the kids with Bulkhead as a carer. When Miko suggested they get a band going, Jack offered the use of his harmonica skills, which Miko didn't seem particularly keen on. After having his ears punished by Miko's electric guitar solo, Jack and the others had to hide behind Bulkhead to avoid being seen by Agent Fowler, but Miko's guitar gave them away. Bulkhead managed to prevent Fowler from taking the three kids into custody, but a short time later they detected a distress call from Fowler's helicopter, suggesting the agent had been captured by the Decepticons. After Bulkhead bridged out to try for a rescue, Jack and Raf realized that Miko had surreptitiously followed the Autobot. Figuring that Bulkhead might not have noticed her, the pair reactivated the ground bridge and followed Bulkhead, only to arrive near the Decepticon ship and accidentally alert the sentries stationed on it. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 3}}

Bulkhead rescued the pair while they were under fire and dropped them off behind some cover before heading into the ship. Unfortunately the pair were spotted by the Decepticons a short time later, and found themselves being carried to the brig. Arcee and Bumblebee rescued them both, and they all found Bulkhead and Miko, but the kids soon discovered that the middle of a battle is not the healthiest place to be. The Autobots cleared out a room for them to hide in, and Jack immediately told Miko off for getting them involved. Their arguing upset Raf, and the pair tried to console him, before Jack noticed a computer display appeared to be showing important data. They were interrupted by a Decepticon, which led Jack to have to make a daring save to prevent Raf from being shot. Jack got Miko to take a cameraphone picture of the display before they hastily left the room. Luckily the Autobots were returning from having rescued Fowler, and Bulkhead was able to destroy the Decepticon.

Once they were back at base, Jack expressed his discontent about the hazards of hanging around the Autobots, and decided to return to his old boring life. They sent him home by ground bridge. Miko dropped by later, and attempted to talk him into returning to the excitement of helping the Autobots, but Jack preferred a more normal existence. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}}

[[Image:DarknessRising5-Arceeunconscious.jpg|thumb|250px|left|Other bikes won't transform into robot guardians.]]

Arcee paid him a visit as he arrived at his KO Burger job, and managed to persuade him to return with her to the Autobot base. No sooner had they arrived than the Autobots left on a mission into space to stop the Decepticons from using their [[space bridge]]. It became apparent that the Decepticons were targeting the bridge using a radio telescope array in [[Texas]], and Jack suggested the three kids bridge there so Raf could override the system onsite. They did so, but it turned out that [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] was also onsite, and the Decepticon dispatched a tentacle to interfere with their attempts to stop him. Jack and Miko were knocked aside by the tentacle, however Jack was not impressed by Miko's attempts to fight back when the tentacle took the axe she was holding. They followed it to the next room to find Soundwave had locked the dishes on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The kids returned to base where they kept track of the other Autobots' work in blowing up the space bridge, however they returned with Arcee in a bad way. After she and Jack shared a moment, she seemed much better. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

Assigned to do a science project for school, Jack opted to get a motorcycle engine working, but was surprised when Arcee turned out to be clueless in the area of automotive engineering. The project was eventually taken over by Ratchet who built ''something'' which could be said to resemble an engine. When Jack switched it on at school, it promptly ran riot and it can be assumed he did not achieve a favorable grade. {{storylink|Masters & Students}}

[[Image:ScrapheapJackfireextinguisher.jpg|thumb|200px|Relax, that's not a scar.]]

The kids arrived at base on a Saturday just as Optimus and Arcee were preparing to go on a mission. Jack was initially keen to come along, until he found out they were headed for the [[Arctic]]. Instead, he stayed at base and played [[Generic racing game|videogames]] with Miko. Of course, just as he was winning, the power went out momentarily and stopped the game. The cause of the malfunctions became clear when Raf returned to the control room with a small metal critter the Autobots called a [[Scraplet]]. Jack attempted to protect Ratchet as the Autobot worked on the broken ground bridge, and used a [[fire extinguisher]] to freeze the Scraplets that attacked them. Once he and the other kids had help the Autobots, a plan was formulated to get rid of the Scraplets, and the three kids repaired an [[energon]] fuel line, enabling the Autobots to send the Scraplets to the Arctic. Later, the kids helped with repairs on Bulkhead and Bumblebee. {{storylink|Scrapheap (episode)|Scrapheap}}

Jack was surprised to learn there were more Autobots out in space when [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] arrived on the planet. The Autobots celebrated his arrival, though Jack mostly hung out on the sidelines with Arcee. When Wheeljack turned out to be a Decepticon imposter, Jack wondered if there was a real Wheeljack, and was alarmed when the phony took Miko hostage. Following the Imposters ejection from the base and the arrival of the real Wheeljack, the Autobots had another party and Jack, Raf and Bumblebee busted out some dance moves. The three kids turned out to see Wheeljack off when he returned to space. {{storylink|Con Job}}

[[Image:JackFireExtinguisherMikoAxe.jpg|thumb|250px|left|By now, he's giving Gordon Freeman a run for his money.]]
When the Autobots helped Fowler move a hi-tech device, the kids observed their progress from base with Ratchet. The [[Dynamic Nuclear Generation System]] was in danger of being captured by [[MECH]], so Jack and Miko ground bridged to the speeding train it was on in a last-ditch attempt to defend it. Jack grabbed a fire extinguisher to wave at the incoming MECH goons, but in the end they retreated after seeing Optimus. [[Silas]] blew up the track ahead of the train, and for a few moments Jack and Miko thought they were doomed, but Optimus managed to stop the train in time. {{storylink|Convoy (episode)|Convoy}}

When Miko and Bulkhead arrived at base following Miko's detention, Jack loudly asked what she had done this time. When the Autobots later discovered that an [[Energon Harvester]] was in an Earth museum, Jack and Raf found themselves volunteered by Miko to go in and retrieve it, despite Jack's protest that what they were doing was theft. They were sent in on a scissor lift via GroundBridge and successfully pinched the device from the statue holding it. During their escape, Miko was caught by a [[museum security guard|security guard]], and Jack and Raf ran into Soundwave, who swiped the Harvester off them. Back at base, Jack wondered how they were going to free Miko, and Ratchet revealed the replica Harvester he was working on to replace the stolen one. Jack resigned himself to the idea of adding forgery to his list of crimes, which now already included theft. {{storylink|Deus ex Machina}}

While talking to Sierra one day after school, Jack was challenged to a race by school bully [[Vince]]. Though Arcee reminded Jack of the rules, Vince's disparaging of her vehicle mode caused her to reconsider, and Jack took up Vince's challenge. They trounced Vince in the race, though Arcee still wouldn't let Jack offer Sierra a ride and told him to keep the whole thing a secret from the other Autobots. When it turned out that Miko and Raf had already found out, Jack swore them to secrecy too. The next day, Vince challenged Jack to another street race, and with Sierra watching, Jack was compelled to agree. Arcee refused to take part, however Jack instead managed to get Bumblebee to help him. He and Bumblebee joined the street race, but so did [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]], and they quickly found themselves under attack by the Decepticon. Jack struggled to understand Bumblebee's beeping. They lost the 'Con, but Vince confronted them, drawing Knock Out's attention, and the bully was captured. When Arcee and Bulkhead arrived, Jack told them what had happened, and accompanied Arcee to the storage lockup where the Decepticon was hiding. He later spun a story to Vince, covering up the whole affair. The following day, Arcee allowed Jack to take Sierra for a ride. {{storylink|Speed Metal}}

[[Image:Predatory-Darbywebbed.jpg|thumb|250px|How does it feel to be on the receiving end [[Spider-Man]]!]]
Jack accompanied Arcee on a safe mission to a remote wooded region to scout an energon deposit. When they found a downed spacecraft, Arcee began acting cagey and dropped him off a fair distance from the ship as she believed it wasn't safe for Jack. He hiked his way back and eventually found her engaged in combat with newcomer [[Airachnid]]. After her foe pinned her to a rock with a glob of webbing, Jack attempted to free her, but fled when Airachnid recovered and began chasing him, intent on adding his head to her "trophies". Though clearly outmatched, Jack made it back to the crashed ship, where he used his pocket knife and fire starter to light a stick, igniting energon leaking from the ship and causing it to explode with Airachnid atop. Unfortunately she survived and globbed him to a tree, but Arcee arrived in time to save him, and Airachnid was forced to flee underground. Jack found that Arcee subsequently had more respect for his ability to face danger. {{storylink|Predatory}}

After Optimus was struck down with a [[Cybonic plague]] and Arcee and Bumblebee infiltrated the Decepticon ship, the three kids watched Ratchet monitor the pair's progress as Arcee patched Bumblebee into the comatose [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]'s mind to find the cure. {{storylink|Sick Mind}} Jack was a spectator for a basketball game between Bulkhead and Bumblebee, and observed that it was starting to turn into a dodge ball match instead. The next morning, he received a phone call in class from Raf, who reported that Bumblebee had failed to pick him up for school. {{storylink|Out of His Head}}

[[Image:Shadowzone-shadow.jpg|thumb|250px|left]]

When Miko seemed totally disinterested in a mission the Autobots were going on, Jack and Raf suspected she was up to something, and sure enough, she made a break for the GroundBridge. Jack tried to stop her, but only succeeded in dislodging [[Miko's phone|her cellphone]], and he and Raf were forced to follow her through. Once the Autobots spotted the trio, Ratchet ordered them to return through the bridge, however interference from a Decepticon GroundBridge caused a disruption which deposited the three kids in a [[shadowzone (dimension)|shadowzone]] dimension. Unable to be seen or heard by the Autobots, they were pursued by [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] who had been resurrected as a zombie by [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]]. Arcee attempted to ring Jack, but though his phone rang, they were unable to communicate through the interference. Jack was able to send a text message to Miko's phone back at base. The three kids attempted to use Starscream's severed arm to fend off Skyquake, but only succeeded in dislodging the zombie's arm, which began chasing them. They escaped back to the real world through a portal created by Ratchet. Back at base, and much to Jack's amazement, Miko offered to take responsibility for the whole mess. {{storylink|Shadowzone (episode)|Shadowzone}}

[[Image:JunemeetstheAutobots.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
Arriving home one night, Jack was met by his mom, who was upset that he was breaking curfew and had been neglecting his job and schoolwork. She grounded him for the next few weeks, banning him from using his motocycle. What's worse, there was no way Arcee would be able to stay in the garage, though she promised to try and get home before June Darby did each night. The next night Arcee failed to get back in time and had to sneak in after Jack's mom had already seen the empty garage. Jack ended up explaining about the Autobots, but she didn't believe him. Later that night Jack returned home to find a communicator from MECH telling him they had his mother. He and Arcee followed the Silas's instructions, finding the MECH hideout in an abandoned factory, but were shocked to discover that Airachnid was also involved. The 'Con gave Jack six minutes to rescue his mother, however he was able to pickpocket Silas's radio before he began his search. He found June in time, but Airachnid reminded him that the task was to ''rescue'' mom, and webbed his hand to the floor. While Arcee and Airachnid fought, Jack freed himself with an iron bar and helped Arcee by pouring concrete on top of the 'Con. Though it was only a temporary win, it gained them enough time for Fowler, alerted by Jack over the radio, to arrive with helicopters and force Airachnid to retreat. Jack and Arcee later look Jack's mother to the Autobot base to meet the others. {{storylink|Crisscross}}

Preparing to help Arcee with some routine maintenance, Jack was annoyed when his mom turned up at the base and her questioning about whether it was safe ended up with Arcee instead leaving on a mission with Bulkhead. Jack stayed at the base and listened as they reported back that the Decepticons had used a [[polarity gauntlet]] to stick them together. When Miko complained that Arcee was as bad as Jack's mom, June asked if she was really that bad, and Jack refused to answer. After Arcee returned, Jack went to greet her, but June interrupted him so she could give Arcee an apology. {{storylink|Metal Attraction}}

Jack and Miko accompanied Arcee and Bulkhead to an [[Stripped energon mine|abandoned energon mine]]. When Miko decided to go inside, Jack persuaded Arcee to let him go in too. While exploring the mine, he and Arcee stumbled on Megatron and Starscream. A firefight ensued, during which there was a cave in and Jack lost track of the others. He found an old Decepticon mining drill and managed to activate it. In the process of digging his way out, he found Megatron, now buried in rock, who suggested Jack take the opportunity to finish him off. Jack declined, believing it was not what Optimus would have wanted, and instead used the drill to rescue Miko from Starscream. The two kids were soon reunited with their Autobot friends and escaped the mine. {{storylink|Rock Bottom}} Optimus was proud of Jack for not finishing Megatron when he had the chance. {{storylink|Raf's Notes#Note15|Raf's Notes}}

Jack helped Raf surf the web looking for conspiracy sites with photos of Autobots on and was surprised when their antics elicited a laugh from Ratchet. When Raf was severely injured during a mission, Jack called in his mom to help, and watched as she and Ratchet worked to save Raf's life. {{storylink|One Shall Fall}}

When his mom decided she was going to take Jack and Miko with her so they wouldn't be endangered by the Autobots, opted to stay, believing that they were all endangered by the Dark Energon. He was pleased when she came back safe and sound after an encounter with a tornado, though she still grounded him. Jack was thus still at the base when the Autobots and gathered humans worked out that [[Unicron]] was at the center of the Earth and likely waking up. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

The humans listened as the Autobots battled giant stone Unicrons, and as Megatron arrived to offer to help the Autobots defeat Unicron. When Jack wondered about siphoning Unicron out of the Earth's core somehow, Raf and Ratchet explained that Unicron ''was'' the Earth's core and it wouldn't be possible to remove him. The humans hid as Megatron arrived, but after Raf ran out to confront the Decepticon leader, Jack had to restrain him. Megatron recognized Jack from their earlier encounter. Before leaving on the mission to the Earth's core, Optimus presented Jack with the key to the GroundBridge power supply for safe keeping. The humans all watched the Autobots and Megatron step through the GroundBridge into Earth's core. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 2}}

Ratchet told the kids about Optimus back when he was Orion Pax, and how he got the Matrix. Jack was shocked when Ratchet revealed that the key Optimus had given him was actually the [[Key to Vector Sigma]]. The kids all took shelter underneath Ratchet when the ground started shaking, but were overjoyed when it turned out Prime's team had succeeded. They welcomed the Autobots back, but were shocked by the loss of Optimus, who had become amnesiac. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

[[Image:TFP Orion Pax Part 2 - Jack Salute .jpg|thumb|left|250px|]]When it was determined that accessing Vector Sigma would be the only way to restore Optimus's memory, Jack was more than willing to go, but they lacked a way to reach Cybertron. He had a brief encounter with Sierra when she came to visit him at his after-school job at KO Burger, though that didn't go so well. Neither did the Autobot's hunt for Optimus, however Jack believed that they would be able to commandeer the Decepticon space bridge when it was completed and reach [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 1}} Once the Autobots located and secured the space bridge, Jack and Arcee went through, arriving on Cybertron. They soon found the Key to Vector Sigma was pointing them towards [[Kaon]] and headed in to the former Decepticon stronghold. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 2}}
{{spoiler|Orion Pax, Part 3|March 10, 2012}}
While Arcee was kept busy by an [[Insecticon (Prime)|Insecticon]], Jack headed down to the Victor Sigma chamber and began downloading information into the Key. He was soon trying to fight off a swarm of scraplets, but lucked out when the Insecticon arrived and he was able to divert them to attacking it instead. With the Key fully charged with info, he and Arcee returned to Earth where he transferred it back to Optimus, restoring the Autobot leader's memory. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 3}}
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===Titan Magazines ''Prime'' comics===
After the Autobots found a live nuke in the base, Jack gave them more bad news by pointing out the sensors were picking up incoming Decepticons. He and Mika watched Raf try to defuse the nuclear bomb, and both cheered when he succeeded. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.1|The Safe and the Failsafe}} The Autobots took the kids to [[Valley of Fire State Park]] to relax, and Jack was impressed by Raf's knowledge of the area. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.2|War Story}} Jack took part in mocking Bulkhead as he tried to decorate a [[Christmas]] tree. When Arcee and Bulkhead were left at base to look after the kids, Raf suggested that they try to find something they had in common. When that seemed to be going badly, Jack asked Raf what plan B was, and it turned out to be Jenga. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.3|Ice Breaker}}

When Raf became hypnotised and let a bunch of Vehicons into the base, Jack tried unsuccessfully to snap his friend out of his trance. It was only when Miko pointed out the Decepticon logo on the packaging for the game that Jack figured it out, and once they'd brought Raf back to reality, Jack filled him in on what was happening. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.4|Tinker, Tailor, Gamer, Spy!}}

Suspicious about some exploding schools, Jack and Arcee camped out at [[Franklin High School]] and were rewarded when [[Silas]] arrived to blow the school up. Realising that Silas was seeking vengeance for [[Crisscross|an earlier encounter]], Jack sneaked into the school and was quickly caught by Silas, who detonated bombs to trap him. Arcee naturally came to the rescue and they followed Silas up to the roof where Jack administered a blow to the unmentionables. Despite this, Silas was able to escape, and the pair had to leap from the burning building. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.5|School Is... Out!}}

==Toys==
===Prime===
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[[Image:Primetoy-JackRafNYCC.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Ugh! It's like New York out there!]]
*'''Bumblebee and Arcee, Includes Raf Esquivel and Jack Darby''' (NYCC 2011 exclusive)
: The Jack Darby and [[Raf Esquivel]] figurines were [[redeco]]ed in New York-themed shirts and came with redecoed figures of [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] and [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]]. They were sold exclusively at New York Comic-Con 2011.
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[[Image:Primetoy-JackMikoRaf.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The surliest Transformers merchandise ever.]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron''' (5 figure gift set, 2011)
: A PVC figurine of Jack comes with figurines of [[Miko Nakadai]] and [[Raf Esquivel]], as well as Deluxe-Class toys of [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]. As with the other two figures, Jack's head can turn and he can be removed from his stand.
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==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Jack Darby''' (ジャック・ダービー ''Jakku Dābī'')

==External links==
* [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/characters/jackson-darby Jack's character page @ Hubworld.com]

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[[Category: Prime humans]]

Space bridge

2012-03-08T14:19:11Z

G1MarvelBlaster: /* Prime cartoon */ Removing expired spoiler tag

The '''space bridge''' is a means of moving Transformers from one planet to another almost instantaneously, without the need for a spacecraft.

Space bridges are not to be confused with [[Transwarp]] technology, which is generally used to propel a spaceship between worlds (and, on occasion, through time.)

{{quote|It defies your laws of physics, and can transport matter through time and space.|Sentinel Prime describes what a space bridge does|[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]}}

{{note|Space bridge technology varies widely between continuities, as described below.}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[Image:DivideConquer Earth spacebridge.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Colonel White has been looking for his control panel.]]
The space bridge was apparently first conceived by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] in 1984, as a means of transport back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] for the [[Decepticon]]s stranded on [[Earth]], and to allow them to ferry [[energon cube]]s to revitalize the planet. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}}

The Cybertronic end of the space bridge is a fixture in [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Cybertron)|Shockwave's command center]], where it takes the form of a cylindrical tube, the top of which projects outside of the center's dome; it is through this open end that transportees enter or depart amid a geyser of energy. The Earth-based end of the space bridge is decidedly more flexible—the Decepticons frequently constructed new space bridges in various locations, normally in the form of large metal rings.

In early uses of the space bridge, the dimensional portal could only remain open and stable for a maximum of 11 minutes. Early Space Bridge travel likewise proved somewhat unstable, and required the use of a small vehicle to safely transport any cargo. The vehicle was rolled into the ring on a railed structure, and then had to be piloted along "a beam of light". [[Reflector (G1)|Some]] Decepticons displayed pronounced horror at being chosen for this unenviable task, as not staying on the light beam would cause the pilot and cargo to "cease to exist". {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} In the very first practice run of the mechanism, the villains opted to use the captive [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], rather than risk any of their number.

[[Image:SpaceBridgeCartoon1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Indiana Jones and the Flower of Doom!]]
After being knocked into the bridge by accident, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] proved able to traverse the bridge without a craft. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}} Several Autobots likewise survived the trip in their vehicle forms. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} After this, the need for the craft seems to have been removed, as many Transformers and various cargoes would travel by space bridge with no vessel and no difficulties. On one occasion, two humans in a convertible even made the trip with no ill effects. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}} The process could, however, still go wrong, as it did when the Decepticons attempted to convert a baseball field into a new space bridge site, and a malfunction blasted a small group of Transformers to an alien world of giants. {{storylink|Child's Play (episode)|Child's Play}}

It's never made clear exactly how the space bridge works. Typical activation sequences show what appears to be a dimensional portal in the sky above the bridge, opened up by a blast of energy from the bridge ring; the bridge's contents (along with a great deal of rock and detritus) were then drawn into the portal, which then closed with a large discharge of energy. On the Cybertron end, the arrival is marked by a beam or gusher of energy arriving from deep space.

[[Image:TransportOblivion Cybertron spacebridge.jpg|right|200px|thumb|That door wasn't there a moment ago.]]
The space bridge technology was taken to its ultimate extent when the Decepticons constructed three colossal pylons that would generate a "space pyramid", the apex of which extended to Cybertron's location in another galaxy. Using this, Cybertron was transported into Earth's orbit for a brief period. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}} Cybertron was later removed from Earth's orbit by an explosion; though never explicitly addressed, this event by rights should have left Cybertron ''much'' closer to Earth, possibly accounting for the ease of travel between the two planets thereafter. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 3}}

The space bridge was used for planetary transportation once more when the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]] [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] wired his missile guidance systems into it and used its powers to redirect the orbit of Earth, intending to send it spiraling into the sun, only to be stopped by an [[Autobot]]-Decepticon team-up. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

The space bridge fell into disuse when the Autobots reclaimed Cybertron in 2005, and throughout 2006, both they and the Decepticons were shown to rely on more mundane means of space travel (shuttles, self-propelled flight) in addition to space bridge-like devices called "[[Warp Gate]]s" located throughout space. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
By the year 2011, the Autobots had studied and duplicated the space bridge technology for their own use. They developed their own space bridge network, allowing transport between Cybertron, Earth and the planet [[Athenia]], with fixed space bridge receptors in each base (the transport beam was, of course, now the traditional Autobot orange, as opposed to the Decepticons' iconic purple). {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} They did not, however, destroy the original Decepticon space bridge, as the Decepticons were unable to use it to travel to the planet due to Vector Sigma maintaining an Autobot balance of power. This proved to be a mistake, however, when the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]'s energy was released in 2010 to cure the [[Hate Plague]]; this caused Vector Sigma to become destabilized, and the Decepticons were able to exploit this to use the space bridge to invade Cybertron. {{Storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}

When [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] was destroyed by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], the gravimetric balance of the solar system was disrupted, making space bridge travel to Earth unstable. This soon ceased to be an issue, however, when the Decepticons headed off on an interplanetary energy raid; in order to slow the Autobots down, [[Sixshot]] destroyed the Earth-based space bridge, causing a chain reaction that detonated the entire network. {{storylink|Daniel Faces His Biggest Crisis Ever!!}}

The destruction of the space bridge left the only means to travel to Earth as the [[Trainbot]]s and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Battleship Maximus]] (or on one occasion, [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]). {{storylink| This reduced ability to travel to Earth is one of the reasons for the heavy human involvement in the [[Masterforce War|following battles]], since Transformers are mostly unable to join the battle on Earth themselves. {{Storylink|Master File No, 1}}

===Marvel Generation 1 comics===
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[[Image:Spacebridgemarvelcomic.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Get it? Space "bridge"? Ahahaha.]]
[[Image:Spanner2.JPG|left|180px|thumb|"Blow me up so that I may die with dignity."]]
The space bridge was built by [[Straxus (G1)|Lord Straxus]]'s Cybertronian Decepticons, in response to the discovery that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s lost group of Decepticons were alive and had set up operations on Earth. The bridge, which resembles a normal Earthen suspension bridge when not in use, has two halves; one which which remains stationary on Cybertron, and another which teleports to Earth. Passing through the bridge's central arch transports objects across vast distances, instantly and painlessly. Although a properly functioning space bridge is a far more pleasant mode of transportation than the more fuel-efficient Autobot version, the [[Trans-Time Dimensional Portal]], an improperly calibrated space bridge will annihilate any object or being who attempts to pass through its arch. Lord Straxus illustrated this fact when [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] sent him over the edge during transit.

The original space bridge was built from the vast body of [[Spanner (G1)|Spanner]], a neutral scientist who had been captured by Straxus's forces and forced to design the Bridge. ''After the space bridge was almost completely destroyed, a new Bridge was built to replace it.''

===Dreamwave Generation One comics===
The space bridge was developed by the Decepticons as a means of exploring (and presumably conquering) other worlds far away from Cybertron. These bridges were <s>[[wikipedia:Stargate_(device)|stargates]]</s> small portals that could only be programmed for a certain number of people. Megatron himself underwent the first test of the space bridge. However, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] collided with him before he entered. As it had been only programmed to accept one, the space bridge exploded, and both leaders were presumed dead. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages}} In actuality, they had survived, and been transported to [[Quintessa]], where they remained for several millennia. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Age of Wrath|War Within: The Age of Wrath}}

===IDW Generation 1 comics===
Space bridge technology was invented by [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]. After being turned into a zombie by Jhiaxus, [[Sixshot]] obtained his space bridge schematics and traded them to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] in exchange for being returned to normal. {{storylink|Spotlight: Metroplex}} Megatron planned to create a web of space bridges across the galaxy, granting the Decepticons instant access to anything they needed. The first space bridge was constructed by [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] in the Decepticon-conquered [[New York City]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}} After Megatron was put in a coma by Optimus Prime and Spike Witwicky and the Decepticons began to fall apart, Starscream put Shockwave in charge of developing a new space bridge which he completed just in time for Megatron to use. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon}}

===''Robots in Disguise''===
{{main|Global Space Bridge}}

===Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity===
Space bridges are the main mode of traveling in the [[Unicron Trilogy]]. Unlike their Generation 1 counterparts, they do not appear to need the use of a fixed device at both ends.

They appear to change in variation from series to series, although this is likely simply due to art direction. In ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', the Transformers are 'stretched' into warp gates, while in ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' and ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'', space bridges tend to appear as a large hole in the sky that may or may not have a clear ramp leading into it.

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===Panini ''Armada'' comic===
[[Image:PaniniArmada4_spacebridge.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Can you set it so it goes to Gensokyo?]]
[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], and their respective troops used space bridges to travel to [[Earth]] once they learned of the [[Mini-Con]]s awakening there. {{storylink|First Encounter!}} Once Megatron lost a duel with Prime, he also used one to flee. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 2|Friends and Foes!}} Prime's initial plan was to send the Mini-Cons they found back to [[Autobase|Autobase: Cybertron]] via their space bridge, but the bridge was destroyed in a Decepticon attack, stranding the Autobots on Earth. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 4|No Way Back!}}

The loss of the space bridge made it impossible for the Autobots to follow Megatron to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], forcing them to contact [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] on Cybertron. As Autobase: Cybertron had functional space bridges, he could send [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] and [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] to save the day, though neither of them enjoyed the feeling of being warped across space. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 6|Between Two Worlds!}}

Megatron continued to use the faraway Moon to his advantage, building a base there and firing missiles at the helpless Autobots on Earth. Though unable to stop the launch, Optimus Prime hatched a different plan and had [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] hurry to repair their space bridge. In the meantime, Scavenger and Smokescreen broke into the Decepticon moonbase's space bridge control room and activated their bridge, connecting it to the Autobots' one on Earth. Hot Shot got their bridge working just in time for the missiles to arrive and fly straight into the portal, teleporting them straight back to the Decepticon base. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 8|Earthshaker!}}

===Live-action film series===
====''Transformers'' RISK====
If the [[Risk|''Transformers'' RISK]] game is to be taken at face value, there is a location on Cybertron housing a stationary space bridge. This area is bordered by [[Perihex]] and [[Polyhex]], and is linked via a bridge to [[Kalis]]. It is in this location where [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] began his adventure. {{storylink|Risk}}

====IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics====
Space bridges (also known as "transpatial portals") were first used by the [[Dynasty of Primes]], allowing them to transport between dimensions. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}} [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]] had the ability to create space bridges, teleporting across worlds and between planets. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 3|Tales of the Fallen #3}} It was eventually discontinued in later models because of the excessive rate of failure. Apparently it was prone to catastrophic malfunction. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

Thousands of years after the fall of the Dynasty of Primes, [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] recreated space bridge technology, claiming it would allow the Autobots to win the war. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} The [[pillar]]s that served as the basis of the technology were stored on the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'', but after it sustained damage in a Decepticon attack, they malfunctioned and began to warp the ship randomly across space and time until it crashed on [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|moon]]. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 1}}

[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]'s Decepticons subsequently recovered most of the pillars from the wrecked ship. [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] used one of them to create a primitive space bridge on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]], allowing the Decepticons to travel back to Cybertron through the passage created by the ''Ark''. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 4}} The trials were successful, but because of the distance between Mars and [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the Decepticonswould have to pass through several nodes to return to their homeworld. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 2|The Reign of Starscream #2}}

====''Revenge of the Fallen'' film====
[[Image:ROTF Jetfire space bridge.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
{{quote|You{{m-}}you blue-lighted us and something loud and painful and hallucinogenic happened and there was five seconds of Ted Nugent meets [[Thor]] and then...!|[[Sam Witwicky]] describes going through a space bridge.|[[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen]]}}
[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] mentioned the Space Bridge by name shortly before he did a really half-assed job of throwing himself and the rest of the heroes halfway across the world to Egypt, wrecking Sam's hand in the process (Jetfire wasn't entirely sure they were still on the right planet). The even-more-ancient but significantly less senile [[The Fallen|Fallen]], one of the [[Thirteen|original Primes]], shows a similar ability where he teleports across short distances, seeming to use it as a form of flight. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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====''Dark of the Moon'' film====
During the last days of Cybertron's civil war, Autobot leader [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] developed a new space bridge technology which used [[Pillar|a system of pillars]] to provide instantaneous transport between any two points. It was hoped that the technology would be able to turn the tide of the war and defeat the Decepticons once and for all. But the technology was lost when Decepticon ships attacked the Autobot flagship ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'', which was transporting both Sentinel and the pillars.

[[Image:DOTM-Moonspacebridge.jpg‎|thumb|250px|left|]]

In 1961, the ''Ark'' crash landed on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|moon]], sparking a space race between the [[United States of America]] and the [[Soviet Union]] in an effort to reach the wreck first. During this era, the Decepticons began removing hundreds of pillars from the crash site, an activity secretly recorded by Soviet space probes. Decades later, the Autobots learned of the ''Ark'''s presence on the Moon, and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] traveled to the crash site to investigate. Once aboard, the two retrieved Sentinel Prime's body and five of the pillars, including the master pillar that controlled the bridge. Back on Earth, the pillars were confiscated by [[NEST]] out of fear that they would be used as weapons.

That fear was quickly realized when Sentinel attacked the Autobots and their human allies, revealing that he had made a truce with Megatron in order to save Cybertron from destruction. Stealing the five pillars, he activated them in front of the Lincoln Memorial, teleporting hundreds of Decepticons hiding on the Moon onto Earth. [[Chicago]] was soon conquered by the invading army, and there Sentinel and Megatron launched their master plan: using the pillars covertly taken from the ''Ark'' crash site, they would create a space bridge between Earth and Cybertron, bringing their homeworld into Earth's atmosphere. Earth would then be raided for its resources, and humanity would be enslaved and forced to rebuild Cybertron.

[[Image:DOTMCybertrontransit.jpg‎|thumb|300px|]]

NEST and the Autobots eventually arrived in Chicago to retake the war-torn city, and Optimus Prime was able to knock over the control pillar, deactivating the space bridge. It was only a temporary victory, though, as the Decepticon human ally [[Dylan Gould]] restarted the pillar and the transport sequence recommenced. Ultimately, Gould was killed by [[Sam Witwicky]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] destroyed the control pillar. With the bridge rendered inoperable, Cybertron collapsed and was completely destroyed. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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===''Animated''===
[[Image:TFA Space Bridge.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Chevron seven is locked.]]
Space bridges are used to travel around the galaxy. This incarnation takes the form of a large, forked structure and works by generating a sphere of energy between the two prongs.

The technology is exclusively Autobot, and gave them a major strategic advantage over the Decepticons: thanks to the bridges, the Decepticon expansion was halted. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}}

The [[AllSpark]] was thrown into one to keep it out of Decepticon hands. [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and his [[Bumblebee (Animated)|small]] [[Bulkhead (Animated)|band]] [[Prowl (Animated)|of]] [[Ratchet (Animated)|Autobots]] were put in charge of repairing space bridges. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] planned to use some schematics to build his own, allowing him to [[transwarp]] to Cybertron and strike it without warning. He kidnapped [[Isaac Sumdac]] to design it {{storylink|The Elite Guard}} and used [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] and [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] to build it, but it wasn't enough. With [[Bulkhead (Animated)|some additional help]] he completed it, {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}} but as often is the case with Decepticon plans, it didn't end well. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

During the [[Decepticon Uprisings]], the Decepticons went after every space bridge on the periphery in a simultaneous assault. [[Team Chaar]] were the first squad to capture a bridge, but couldn't arrive at the [[Space bridge nexus]] on Cybertron as Shockwave, who held the access codes at the nexus, was waiting for Megatron's signal to begin the attack. The network was later shut down by the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]]. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] used components from a transwarp generator in order to create a teleportation pod which she used to transform [[Wasp]] into a [[Technorganic]] being; however, after its use, the chamber exploded. {{storylink|Predacons Rising}} Bulkhead along with Isaac Sumdac later attempted to work together in making a space bridge on Earth for the Autobots but faced many arguments on how to calibrate the equipment. Luckily, Sari Sumdac managed to activate the system which was later used to transport Optimus Prime onto the [[Steelhaven (Animated)|Elite Guard flagship]] which had been taken over by the former Decepticon prisoners. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

===''Exodus''===
Space bridges were the foundation for Cybertron's [[Golden Age]], linking it to [[Velocitron]], [[Gigantion]], [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] and the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]]. As they grew less reliable, Cybertron's society stagnated and lost contact with its colonies. During the civil war, only one in Cybertron's orbit was still believed to be operational. When the ''[[Ark (Prime)|Ark]]'' and the ''[[Trypticon (Prime)|Nemesis]]'' entered it, it separated the two ships to different parts of space. According to [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]], the space bridges work by tearing holes in the fabric of reality. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus}}

===''Prime''===
====''Prime'' comic====
[[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] was assigned by [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] to find remnants of space bridges, and he successfully built one in [[Kaon]]. [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] and [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]] overloaded its systems, jumping through it and landing on [[Earth]]—as did Starscream—before it blew up. Meanwhile, [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] developed the [[GroundBridge]], to transport themselves across [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Prime (comic)|Transformers: Prime}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
[[Image:PrimeSpacebridge.jpg|thumb|''Stargate: Cybertron.'' Only on the Hub]]

Starscream built a space bridge in Earth's orbit, which he used to bring back Megatron from his deep space [[Dark Energon]] expedition, {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}} Megatron intended to use Dark Energon to resurrect the Cybertronian dead and bring them to Earth via the space bridge. The Autobots discovered the Decepticons' plans for a space time vortex generator, indicating that they had built a space bridge. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}} The fact that the [[Nemesis (Prime)|Decepticon ship]]'s navigation sensors were damaged meant that the Decepticons had to use a radio dish array in [[Texas]] to target the space bridge at Cybertron. Once this was accomplished, Megatron heaved a big chunk of Dark Energon through and raised Cybertron's dead. This undead army began traversing the space bridge to Earth, however the Autobots had obtained the space bridge schematics, and were able to reverse the valve on the energon pump. The reversed power caused the space bridge to explode, taking the zombie army and possibly Megatron with it. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

While observing [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]]'s battle with Optimus and Bumblebee, Soundwave picked up a Decepticon life signal near the remains of the space bridge, possibly Megatron's. Although initially trying to dismiss it, Starscream eventually went to investigate. At the space bridge debris field, he found Megatron, still alive thanks to the Dark Energon crystal he had placed within himself. Although Starscream intended to leave Megatron for dead, Soundwave, not trusting his comrade, sent his [[Deployer (Prime)|Deployer]] to also search the space bridge debris field, forcing Starscream to take Megatron back to the Decepticon ship. {{storylink|Masters & Students}}

Aiming to build a new space bridge, the Decepticons set about stealing the components they'd need, including a phase converter, plasma injector, neutron shield, tesseract and a suitable power source. {{storylink|One Shall Fall}} After the unfortunate incident with [[Unicron]], the Decepticons stole the necessary power source. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 1}}

The Autobots searched for the space bridge so they could use it to reach Cybertron. With Starscream's help, they located it in a disused energon mine and managed to secure it and send [[Jack Darby]] and [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] through. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 2}}

==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
After contact was lost with a team of Decepticons dispatched to [[Zel Samine]], [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] took a shuttle to the planet and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] would follow using a space bridge portal aboard the shuttle. Some technical problems occurred at first, leading to a rant from Starscream on how using a portable space bridge was asking for trouble. Soundwave assured him that the next attempt would work, but then, the portal blew up. Starscream enquired what had happened to Megatron, as he was on the bridge when the malfunction occurred. Soundwave detected that Megatron had been transported to only a slightly different location and Starscream suggested they go and fetch him.

When Megatron was found, Soundwave explained the effects of the solar system's sun, [[Paradius]], had been causing the problems with the shuttle and the space bridge and that they were forced to repair either one if they wished to leave the planet.

Meanwhile, [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] detected the space bridge energy and warned the other Autobots that the Decepticons were in the area too. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

==Merchandise==
* '''RISK TRANSFORMERS CYBERTRON Battle Edition''' (2007)
: The Space Bridge is one of the yellow zones on the board.

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Space bridge''' (スペースブリッジ ''supēsu burijji'')
*''German:'' '''Weltraumbrücke''' ("space bridge"), '''Raumbrücke''' (''Generation 2'', "space bridge")
*''Polish:'' '''Most kosmiczny''' ("space bridge")

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Buzzsaw (G1)

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:''Buzzsaw is a [[Decepticon]] [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|Mini-Cassette]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:G1BuzzsawJapaneseArt.jpg|right|325px|thumb|He hovers like some vast, predatory bird—if vast, predatory birds struck out in sudden, frightening death from above over and over and over, with no escape.]]
'''Buzzsaw''' is an artist—rather, he likes to make art out of ''his victims''. He approaches his victims with reasoned clarity and sophistication, gutting them with what he believes to be inspirational precision. However, his ego is easily wounded, and he's not adept at improvisation. If one of his "masterpieces" is interrupted and he cannot proceed as planned, he would rather retreat to sulk than rethink his approach.

He will kill you. It's not a matter of ''if'', but a matter of where, when, and how painful it is.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Generation 1 comics===
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Buzzsawyikes2.jpg|left|120px|thumb|He shot Gears right in the face!]]
Buzzsaw was among [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s attack party which ambushed the [[Autobot]]s aboard the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], crashing on [[Earth]] 4 million years ago. When the Autobots and Decepticons were revived in 1984, Buzzsaw was given the [[alternate mode]] of a gold cassette tape. As Megatron gave a roll call to determine who had survived the crash, Buzzsaw noted that his beak "has carved many an Autobot warrior into a masterpiece of scrap metal." {{storylink|The Transformers (issue)|The Transformers}}

[[Image:Buzzsawlaststand.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Sweet Primus!]]
The Decepticons soon attacked [[Harrison Nuclear Power Plant]] to use as material to build a [[Fortress Sinister|new headquarters]], and Buzzsaw was able to fly through its reinforced concrete walls as if they were paper. It was discovered that the [[human]] ally of the Autobots, [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], may know of a way to convert Earth fuel into a form Transformers can use, and so Buzzsaw and the Decepticons led an attack on [[S. Witwicky Auto Repairs & Tow Service|his auto repair shop]]. Though [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] scored a direct hit on Buzzsaw, he was able to return with his fellow Decepticons to their base with Sparkplug. {{storylink|Power Play!}} The human military surrounded the Decepticons' headquarters, and Megatron ordered his warriors to "greet" them. Buzzsaw happily cut through the wings of the fighter jets while disparaging their primitive technology. {{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

''When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] fired upon his teammate [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] for eavesdropping on his plot to overthrow Megatron, Buzzsaw and the other Decepticons sought deadly revenge on the Decepticon Air Commander. {{storylink|The Enemy Within!}} Though Starscream escaped, the Decepticons soon regrouped to attack the ''Ark''. [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] was the first casualty of the raid, which Buzzsaw quickly reported back to Megatron, but their battle was ended prematurely when [[Aunty|Auntie]], the ''Ark'''s computer system, magnetized the walls, immobilizing both factions. {{storylink|Raiders of the Last Ark}}'' Buzzsaw also travelled with the Decepticons to the [[United Kingdom]], where he and his teammates attempted to take control of the [[Man of Iron (Autobot)|Man of Iron]]'s ship. When [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] fired upon the ship, destroying it, the Decepticons could no longer take the ship and learn from it the location of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], so they left. Notably, in the battle against the Autobot's ship, Buzzsaw's attacks were [[:Image:Arkshuttle2.jpg|visibly of greater power than his comrades...]] {{storylink|Man of Iron (issue)|Man of Iron}}

The Decepticons were successful in learning from Sparkplug Witwicky how to convert Earth fuel for themselves, and they attacked the Ark in force. The Autobots were weakened from their own lingering fuel problems, and Buzzsaw noticed that even Optimus Prime had trouble hitting him with a shot from his rifle. The Decepticons were clearly the imminent victors in this lopsided battle, and as Buzzsaw tore through the head of one of the final remaining Autobots, [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], the Decepticons declared victory. ...Or, they would have, if Sparkplug hadn't poisoned their fuel, causing the Decepticons to stumble over themselves in pain. It was only the surprise arrival of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] that saved Buzzsaw and the others from certain defeat. {{storylink|The Last Stand}}

[[Image:Buzzsawyikes1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Holy crap!]]
After Shockwave assumed command and set up shop at [[Blackrock Aerospace Assembly Plant Number One]], Buzzsaw would perch on Shockwave's shoulder and keep his unruly troops in line. {{storylink|DIS-Integrated Circuits!}} Buzzsaw, though unnamed, later accompanied Soundwave and most of the other cassette-tape Decepticons to aid their impostor [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s ambush of the Autobots, though all of them were easily defeated once the real Optimus Prime was restored. {{storylink|Prime Time!}}

[[Image:Buzzsawyikes3.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Aieee!]]
Unlike the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]], Soundwave, Buzzsaw, and the other animal cassettes remained more loyal to Megatron than to Shockwave, and so when the former Decepticon leader was discovered in a coal mine, they arrived swiftly to refuel and reclaim him. {{storylink|I, Robot-Master!}} (Meanwhile, Buzzsaw also supported Shockwave, including his unsuccessful plot to kidnap and brainwash [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] into being a Decepticon. {{storylink|Plight of the Bumblebee!}}) One of Megatron's first acts upon returning to the Decepticons was to attack the ''Ark'' while seemingly all of the Autobots were attacking the Decepticon base, and he took the Seekers and all of the cassette Decepticons (minus Ravage) with him. Unfortunately, the ''Ark'' was now defended by the newly-built [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. All of the attacking Decepticons except for Laserbeak and Megatron were obliterated. Buzzsaw's destroyed body was kept in storage within the ''Ark'' for several years. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

Buzzsaw's body and the others destroyed by Omega Supreme were lifted from the ''Ark'' by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] while the rest of the Decepticons (now under leadership of [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]) ambushed the Autobots on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

[[Image:Buzzsawyikes4.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Run for your freakin' lives!]]
Soon a civil war erupted between Ratbat's Decepticons and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s Decepticons, during which Buzzsaw brutally (and literally) disarmed [[Cutthroat (G1)|Cutthroat]]. {{storylink|Cold War!}} However, it was discovered that the civil war was instigated by Starscream to distract from his evil intentions for the [[Underbase]]. The Autobots also showed up, as part of Starscream's diversion, and the two Decepticon armies teamed up to destroy them. Just before strafing [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]], Buzzsaw cannon-blasted Omega Supreme. However, he had little time to celebrate what may be the single most lop-sided takedown in Transformers history, as he was destroyed by the Underbase-powered [[Starscream (G1)| Starscream]] soon afterwards. {{storylink|Dark Star}}

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[Image:Buzzsawcityofsteel.jpg|right|200px|thumb|There's nowhere to hide!]]
:''Voice actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (English),? (Japanese)

Buzzsaw and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] strafed [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] on the roof of the Constructicons' newly-constructed skyscraper in [[New York City]]. {{storylink|City of Steel}} Later, Buzzsaw and Laserbeak located the energy-rich underwater city of [[Sub-Atlantica]] for [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]. This led to an alliance between the Decepticons and King [[Nergill]] to conquer [[Washington, D.C.]]. Buzzsaw helped the [[Sub-Atlantica]]ns capture the Autobot [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] when he was investigating the situation. His luck didn't hold out when the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] came to occupied Washington, though. [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] outflew Buzzsaw and Laserbeak, shooting them down with air-to-air missiles. {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}}

[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] unleashed Buzzsaw and Laserbeak at [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] when the Decepticons teamed up with the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] to take the [[Nova Power Plant]] for its energy. Laserbeak was quickly shot down, but Buzzsaw managed to avoid the Autobots' laser fire and flew off. Later, he lost control of his faculties when [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] used his [[cerebro-shell]]s to turn the Decepticons against Megatron, before their fearless leader could turn against them. He was presumably restored with the others when Bombshell's excess power was negated. {{storylink|The Insecticon Syndrome}} Buzzsaw later trapped the Autobots inside their bunker behind a pile of rubble, allowing Rumble to get close enough to steal the [[Negavator]], but eventually the Autobots got free and the Decepticons were driven away. {{storylink|Auto Berserk}}

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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
[[Image:JHeadmasters02BuzzsawLaserbeak.jpg|thumb|left|Unfortunately, you're more likely to die of boredom than Buzzsaw in ''Headmasters''.]]
While searching for the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], Soundwave ejected Buzzsaw and Laserbeak to fight [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]. Hot Rod was rescued by [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], prompting Blaster and Soundwave to fight to the death. Buzzsaw, Laserbeak, and [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] gathered Soundwave's scattered remains and escaped to the Decepticon base on [[Chaar]]. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} There, Buzzsaw met with the rest of the Decepticon cassettes, and at [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s instruction, used technology borrowed from [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] to rebuild him into Soundblaster. As Soundblaster came to life, Buzzsaw and the others cheered. Likewise, the Autobots rebuilt Blaster into [[Blaster (G1)|Twincast]], who travelled to Chaar to face Soundblaster again. Entering the Decepticon base, Twincast encountered Buzzsaw, Laserbeak, and Ratbat, so he ejected [[Eject]], [[Rewind]], [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]], and [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] to fight them. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} Buzzsaw helped the Cassettes on their spying mission which uncovered [[Vector Sigma]]'s production of [[cybertonuron]]. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} Buzzsaw and the other Cassettes would later show concern when it seemed like [[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]] was getting all the good spying jobs. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}

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=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====
Buzzsaw and the rest of the cassettes gathered over a comically-defeated Soundblaster (at the hands of [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]]) as [[Sixshot]] announced his intent to defect from the Decepticons and travel the universe. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters #8}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation 1'' comics===
{{notekeepers}}

Buzzsaw was part of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s Decepticon faction during the [[Dark Ages]]. {{Storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|The Dark Ages}} He was later aboard the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' when it crash-landed on [[Earth]].{{fact}}

''Buzzsaw was involved with Starscream's occupation of the human city, [[Las Vegas]]. Presumably, he came in under Soundwave's direction. The Decepticons initially worked closely with the Las Vegas Police Department, with Buzzsaw and Laserbeak serving as "watchbirds" to keep an optic open for any unlawful activity in the city limits. Buzzsaw even served as a passive deterrent when necessary, divebombing a hold-up artist named [[Bernie Kalus]] before he could enter the convenience store he had targeted. {{storylink|Hardwired}} Later on, after the Autobots had invaded Las Vegas, Buzzsaw tried to eliminate [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and a wounded Bumblebee, but was chased off the hunt when Optimus Prime got involved in the skirmish. When Megatron and Starscream divvyed up the Decepticon forces, Buzzsaw somehow managed to be on BOTH factions simultaneously. In the final fight with the [[Keeper (species)|Keepers]] in Las Vegas, he joined [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], Laserbeak and the Autobot flyer named [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] in performing aerial assaults on the alien beings. {{storylink|Annihilation}} Several days later, Buzzsaw and the Decepticons joined the Autobots again in defending against an ambush by the American military in the Nevada desert. The Army had reverse-engineered some Cybertronian technology to create the [[Deconstructionite|deconstructionites]], microchip-sized projectile sprays that drained the Transformers of their processing power on contact. Buzzsaw caught heavy flak in the first salvo, and quickly found himself unable to fly. He was dragged to safety by Megatron himself, but was left incapacitated for some time thereafter. {{storylink|Fusion (novel)|Fusion}}''

===''G.I. Joe vs the Transformers''===
[[Image:Decepticons art of war issue 4.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The Decepticons are not running ''into'' battle. They are running ''away'' from Buzzsaw.]]
Buzzsaw was part of the army of Decepticons that surrounded [[Teletran 3]] while several of the building's inhabitants were thrown into various Earth historical periods. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #2}}

Buzzsaw was seen again on Cybertron as part of [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]'s invading forces, assaulting an Autobot peace ceremony alongside [[Sixshot]], [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 3|The Art of War #3}} He was later part of a Decepticon force preparing to fight off a major Autobot-[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] assault. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 4|The Art of War #4}}
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===Dawn of Future's Past===
[[Image:Laserbeakbuzzsawdawn.jpg|left|200px|thumb|T-REX, WE PUT OUR MINDS TO IT AND TAUGHT OURSELVES ENGLISH!]]
At the end of the great war, most Decepticons who were granted amnesty simply retired and vanished from public life. So too would have been the fate of Buzzsaw if not for the intervention of the [[Predacon (G1)| Predacon]] [[Divebomb (G1)| Divebomb]]. Divebomb granted Laserbeak, Buzzsaw, and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] a new lease on life, rebuilding them into members of the new faction of Predacons.

Predacon [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s theft of the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] was closely watched by Divebomb, who sent Laserbeak and Buzzsaw to ensure Megatron and his rogues reached their destination. [[Buzzsaw and Laserbeak's ship|Their ship]] intercepted the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'', pummelling it with missiles. Before it could come back for another pass, it was fired upon by the ''[[Chromia 10]]'', giving the ''Axalon'' enough time to restore enough power to return fire and completely destroy Laserbeak and Buzzsaw's ship, with the pair inside. {{storylink|Dawn of Future's Past}}
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===IDW Generation 1 comics===
Buzzsaw was seen among Soundwave's cache of cassettes on Cybertron millions of years ago. He and Laserbeak helped catch the Autobot spies [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] and [[Fastback (G1)|Fastback]] when Soundwave introduced himself to Megatron. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}} He later helped devastate the [[Senate]] and free the captured Decepticons in their Trojan Horse play at [[Kaon]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4|Megatron Origin #4}}

When Soundwave was ambushed by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Orion Pax]] while fleeing from a failed infiltration attempt, he tried to eject Buzzsaw to aid him. Unfortunately for him, Orion smashed his torso in before he was able to. {{storylink|The Hunt for Soundwave}}

Four million years ago, Buzzsaw charged the Autobot position with Soundwave and a horde of Decepticons, in a vain attempt to keep them from interfering with an energon convoy headed for Megatron's troops. {{storylink|The Iron Age}}

During the modern-day invasion of Earth, Buzzsaw participated in the Decepticon attack on [[Beijing]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}} When the invasion failed he escaped Earth onboard [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], and was seen perched on Soundwave's shoulder while his master tended to their fallen leader, Megatron. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|Uneasy Lies the Head}}

Buzzsaw was later among the Decepticons outfitted with [[inhibitor/deterrence chip]]s by the Autobots. {{storylink|The Autonomy Lesson}}

==Games==
===Adventure Game: Defeat the Decepticons===
When Optimus embarked on his mission to rescue the Autobots' [[Mini Vehicle|Minicar]] troops from the Decepticons, Buzzsaw could hinder Optimus Prime's progress, by stalling him and giving him a flat tire. {{storylink|Adventure Game: Defeat the Decepticons|Adventure Game: Defeat the Decepticons packaging blurb and game}}

===''The Transformers'' (Commodore 64)===
Buzzsaw was among the Decepticons who tried to prevent the Autobots from recovering the scattered pieces of their [[Energon cube]]s. Created by the power of [[Robo-Cloning]], innumerable duplicate copies of Buzzsaw bedevilled the Autobots on their quest. {{storylink|The Transformers (Commodore 64)|The Transformers}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:Buzzsawg1toycondor.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The hook at the end of his beak is so that when he punctures you, you can't just yank him out. You'll rip off a wad of flesh.]]
*'''Soundwave w/ Buzzsaw''' (Decepticon Communicator, 1984/1985/1986)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right "Twin Mortar Cannons"

: Coming only with the [[Hasbro]] release of [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] (the Japanese version had [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] instead), Buzzsaw transforms from a microcassette to a robotic condor. His cassette mode can fit into the tape compartment of the Soundwave and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] toys. Unlike the other four original Mini-Cassettes, Buzzsaw's deco is unique to the Transformer line rather than originating from [[Micro Change]].

: This mold was also used to make [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], [[Garboil (G1)|Garboil]], and [[Sundor]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Buzzsaw/buzzsaw.htm More information on Buzzsaw at TFU.info]''

*'''VSZ Set''' (Multi-pack, 1985)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right "Twin Mortar Cannons", tape case

: Buzzsaw's first Japanese release was in a multi-set with [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]. Like most Japanese cassettes (and all future Japanese releases of Buzzsaw), he came with a clear-plastic tape case to be "stored" in.

*'''Soundblaster w/ Buzzsaw''' (Decepticon, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-106'''
**''Accessories:'' Left & right "Twin Mortar Cannons", tape case

: During ''[[Transformers: The Headmasters (toyline)|Headmasters]]'', Buzzsaw saw re-release as a pack-in with Soundblaster. This version has a new sticker featuring [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]' weak spot, revealed through the clear-red tape-doors of the Soundblaster and [[Blaster (G1)|Twincast]] toys.

* '''Soundblaster w/ Buzzsaw and Ravage''' (Transformers Collection, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TFC-18'''

: The ''Headmasters'' version of Buzzsaw was included in the Soundblaster reissue, though this time the duo also came with a similarly-sticker-altered version of [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]].

*'''Great Cassette Operation''' (2009)
**''Encore number'': '''15'''
**''Accessories'': Left & right "Twin Mortar Cannons", tape case

: As part of the ''[[Transformers Encore]]'' Generation 1 [[reissue]] line, Buzzsaw was released along with [[Rewind]], [[Eject]] and [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]].
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===Timelines===
[[Image:Buzzsawtimelinestoy.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Sure, it seems like an improvement, but he still has to pick everything up in his jaws.]]
* '''Laserbeak and Buzzsaw''' (bagged souvenir set, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Left & right energon blades, Energon star

: A [[redeco]] of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb]] mold, Buzzsaw gains a humanoid mode along with his robot-falcon form. He came with a set of clear-indigo [[Energon weapon|energon weapons]] that could combine to form a large blade, plus an indigo [[energon star]]. He was available only in a "souvenir" 2-piece set with [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], sold at [[BotCon 2006]], and limited to 500 pieces.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2006/Predacon/BCBuzzsaw/buzzsaw.htm More information on BotCon 2006 Buzzsaw at TFU.info]''
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===Universe (2008)===
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*'''Soundwave''' (2009)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right "Twin Mortar Cannons"

: In 2009, Buzzsaw was included with yet another reissue of Soundwave as part of the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' line, this time as a [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] exclusive that was prominently offered at San Diego Comic-Con 2009. Included were his weapons and his own cassette case.
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==Notes==
* Though Buzzsaw is portrayed as transforming into a normal audio cassette in the various fictions, his original toy was a ''micro''cassette. (Likewise, Soundwave's toy was a microcassette recorder, rather than the "stereo cassette deck" he's stated to be elsewhere.)

*Buzzsaw's scant appearances in the original animated series come as a result of a note in the [[production bible]] that says he should only "be used occasionally". This, presumably, is due to the fact that his toy was only available packaged with Soundwave, and hence did not need to be advertised via the show. Poor little guy didn't even get an individual bio in there. (No wonder he took it out on everybody.)

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* Buzzsaw could talk in the Marvel UK Comics, as well as in some episodes of the Japanese Headmasters cartoon (where he even commented on how tired he is of seeing Scourge and Cyclonus always lick Galvatron's feet modules). In all media though, he certainly possesses normal transformer intelligence.

*The title screen to Ocean's ''[[The Transformers (Commodore 64)|Transformers]]'' game for the Commodore 64 depicts either a Laserbeak or a Buzzsaw that is primarily red with gold wings. Get on it, [[e-HOBBY]]!

* At BotCon 2006, the signboards advertising the Laserbeak/Buzzsaw set incorrectly identified him as "Buzzclaw". This was the only place the error appeared.

* Buzzsaw is ''the'' coolest cassette. Don't ''even'' bother arguing.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Buzzsaw''' (バズソー ''Bazusō'')
*''French:'' '''Condor''' (Canada)
*''Hungarian:'' '''Körfűrész'''
*''Italian:'' '''Micro'''
*''Portuguese:'' '''Serrote''' (Portugal comics), '''Serra''' (Brazil comics)
*''Russian:'' '''Lobzik''' (Лобзик, "Fretsaw")

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Buzzsaw Buzzsaw's Transformers Universe profile]

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Jack Darby

2012-03-08T14:12:16Z

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:''Jack is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)| Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:JackDarby_stockimage.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Sam Witwicky]] called, he wants his <s>clothes</s> <s>personality</s> life back.]]

'''Jackson "Jack" Darby''' is a smart, responsible sixteen-year old dude. Before he met the Autobots, he was hard at work flipping burgers so he could save up for his first motorbike; now, he helps fight the monstrous Decepticons alongside his friends [[Miko Nakadai]] and [[Raf Esquivel]]. Only two things get past his responsibility and intelligence: badass bikes and the need to impress girls. Since his guardian Autobot is [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]], he gets both at once! While she's not thrilled to guard him, his heroic qualities are winning her over.

==Fiction==
===''Prime'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Josh Keaton]] (English), [[Jorge Saudinós]] (Spain-Spanish), [[Sang-hyeon Eom]] (Korean), [[Paolo De Santis]] (Italian), [[Nico Sablik]] (German), [[Arturo Castañeda]] (Latin American-Spanish)
[[Image:DarknessRising1-JackKOBurger.jpg|left|thumb|250px|[[KO Burger]] has a pretty lax dress code.]]
Jack's menial after-school job at the drive-thru at [[KO Burger]] was getting him down, with rude customers who took food without paying. As he knocked off and reported in to his mom by phone, he spotted a sweet motorcycle in the parking lot. While he was admiring it and promising one day he'd have enough money to buy a motorcycle just like it, he was caught talking to it by [[Sierra]] and [[Sierra's friend|her friend]], causing him to trip over his words somewhat. He was saved from further embarrassment when the motorcycle — in reality Arcee — took off with him still on board as she was being chased by two Decepticon cars. After a short chase, she warned him not to tell anyone and let him go, only for one of the Decepticons to start following him, forcing her to pick him up again. The chase ended up in a drainage canal, where Jack encountered Raf for the first time, and the pair watched Arcee and [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] duke it out, before hastily making an escape when one of the Decepticons started chasing them.

[[Image:Jack Darby Arcee Darkness Rising 1.jpg|thumb|300px|You think that's embarrassing? You haven't heard him scream yet.]]

Jack later met Raf outside the high school and suggested to the boy that they keep the adventure to themselves, but Bumblebee and Arcee turned up to take the pair back to the [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|Autobot base]]. Jack wasn't keen, but the pair were spotted arguing by Miko, who loudly encouraged him to go, and as a result accompanied Jack on Arcee back to base. The three kids were awestruck by the Autobots and their headquarters, and [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] explained to them the whole Cybertronian war. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}} Jack was keen to get home, much to Miko's disgust, however they were interrupted by a visit by Agent [[William Fowler|Fowler]], forcing the three kids to hide. The kids we left at base with Ratchet when the rest of the Autobots left on a mission, and tried not to get under Ratchet's feet.

When the Autobots returned empty-handed, Jack whisked Miko away before her exuberance could become too tactless. He pointed out to Optimus that he really needed to get home as it was almost 10 and he had a curfew. Prime assigned Arcee to watch over him. Of course, when Jack got home, he had a job explaining when he'd gotten the motorcycle to [[June Darby|his mother]]. The next morning, Arcee woke him early, though it was a Saturday, as they had to get to the Autobot base promptly. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 2}}

On the way back, Arcee showed off some fancy riding skills. They reached the base at the same time as Bulkhead and Bumblebee, however Optimus immediately left on a mission with Ratchet. Arcee, left in charge, opted to go out on patrol with Bumblebee, leaving the kids with Bulkhead as a carer. When Miko suggested they get a band going, Jack offered the use of his harmonica skills, which Miko didn't seem particularly keen on. After having his ears punished by Miko's electric guitar solo, Jack and the others had to hide behind Bulkhead to avoid being seen by Agent Fowler, but Miko's guitar gave them away. Bulkhead managed to prevent Fowler from taking the three kids into custody, but a short time later they detected a distress call from Fowler's helicopter, suggesting the agent had been captured by the Decepticons. After Bulkhead bridged out to try for a rescue, Jack and Raf realized that Miko had surreptitiously followed the Autobot. Figuring that Bulkhead might not have noticed her, the pair reactivated the ground bridge and followed Bulkhead, only to arrive near the Decepticon ship and accidentally alert the sentries stationed on it. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 3}}

Bulkhead rescued the pair while they were under fire and dropped them off behind some cover before heading into the ship. Unfortunately the pair were spotted by the Decepticons a short time later, and found themselves being carried to the brig. Arcee and Bumblebee rescued them both, and they all found Bulkhead and Miko, but the kids soon discovered that the middle of a battle is not the healthiest place to be. The Autobots cleared out a room for them to hide in, and Jack immediately told Miko off for getting them involved. Their arguing upset Raf, and the pair tried to console him, before Jack noticed a computer display appeared to be showing important data. They were interrupted by a Decepticon, which led Jack to have to make a daring save to prevent Raf from being shot. Jack got Miko to take a cameraphone picture of the display before they hastily left the room. Luckily the Autobots were returning from having rescued Fowler, and Bulkhead was able to destroy the Decepticon.

Once they were back at base, Jack expressed his discontent about the hazards of hanging around the Autobots, and decided to return to his old boring life. They sent him home by ground bridge. Miko dropped by later, and attempted to talk him into returning to the excitement of helping the Autobots, but Jack preferred a more normal existence. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}}

[[Image:DarknessRising5-Arceeunconscious.jpg|thumb|250px|left|Other bikes won't transform into robot guardians.]]

Arcee paid him a visit as he arrived at his KO Burger job, and managed to persuade him to return with her to the Autobot base. No sooner had they arrived than the Autobots left on a mission into space to stop the Decepticons from using their [[space bridge]]. It became apparent that the Decepticons were targeting the bridge using a radio telescope array in [[Texas]], and Jack suggested the three kids bridge there so Raf could override the system onsite. They did so, but it turned out that [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] was also onsite, and the Decepticon dispatched a tentacle to interfere with their attempts to stop him. Jack and Miko were knocked aside by the tentacle, however Jack was not impressed by Miko's attempts to fight back when the tentacle took the axe she was holding. They followed it to the next room to find Soundwave had locked the dishes on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The kids returned to base where they kept track of the other Autobots' work in blowing up the space bridge, however they returned with Arcee in a bad way. After she and Jack shared a moment, she seemed much better. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

Assigned to do a science project for school, Jack opted to get a motorcycle engine working, but was surprised when Arcee turned out to be clueless in the area of automotive engineering. The project was eventually taken over by Ratchet who built ''something'' which could be said to resemble an engine. When Jack switched it on at school, it promptly ran riot and it can be assumed he did not achieve a favorable grade. {{storylink|Masters & Students}}

[[Image:ScrapheapJackfireextinguisher.jpg|thumb|200px|Relax, that's not a scar.]]

The kids arrived at base on a Saturday just as Optimus and Arcee were preparing to go on a mission. Jack was initially keen to come along, until he found out they were headed for the [[Arctic]]. Instead, he stayed at base and played [[Generic racing game|videogames]] with Miko. Of course, just as he was winning, the power went out momentarily and stopped the game. The cause of the malfunctions became clear when Raf returned to the control room with a small metal critter the Autobots called a [[Scraplet]]. Jack attempted to protect Ratchet as the Autobot worked on the broken ground bridge, and used a [[fire extinguisher]] to freeze the Scraplets that attacked them. Once he and the other kids had help the Autobots, a plan was formulated to get rid of the Scraplets, and the three kids repaired an [[energon]] fuel line, enabling the Autobots to send the Scraplets to the Arctic. Later, the kids helped with repairs on Bulkhead and Bumblebee. {{storylink|Scrapheap (episode)|Scrapheap}}

Jack was surprised to learn there were more Autobots out in space when [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] arrived on the planet. The Autobots celebrated his arrival, though Jack mostly hung out on the sidelines with Arcee. When Wheeljack turned out to be a Decepticon imposter, Jack wondered if there was a real Wheeljack, and was alarmed when the phony took Miko hostage. Following the Imposters ejection from the base and the arrival of the real Wheeljack, the Autobots had another party and Jack, Raf and Bumblebee busted out some dance moves. The three kids turned out to see Wheeljack off when he returned to space. {{storylink|Con Job}}

[[Image:JackFireExtinguisherMikoAxe.jpg|thumb|250px|left|By now, he's giving Gordon Freeman a run for his money.]]
When the Autobots helped Fowler move a hi-tech device, the kids observed their progress from base with Ratchet. The [[Dynamic Nuclear Generation System]] was in danger of being captured by [[MECH]], so Jack and Miko ground bridged to the speeding train it was on in a last-ditch attempt to defend it. Jack grabbed a fire extinguisher to wave at the incoming MECH goons, but in the end they retreated after seeing Optimus. [[Silas]] blew up the track ahead of the train, and for a few moments Jack and Miko thought they were doomed, but Optimus managed to stop the train in time. {{storylink|Convoy (episode)|Convoy}}

When Miko and Bulkhead arrived at base following Miko's detention, Jack loudly asked what she had done this time. When the Autobots later discovered that an [[Energon Harvester]] was in an Earth museum, Jack and Raf found themselves volunteered by Miko to go in and retrieve it, despite Jack's protest that what they were doing was theft. They were sent in on a scissor lift via GroundBridge and successfully pinched the device from the statue holding it. During their escape, Miko was caught by a [[museum security guard|security guard]], and Jack and Raf ran into Soundwave, who swiped the Harvester off them. Back at base, Jack wondered how they were going to free Miko, and Ratchet revealed the replica Harvester he was working on to replace the stolen one. Jack resigned himself to the idea of adding forgery to his list of crimes, which now already included theft. {{storylink|Deus ex Machina}}

While talking to Sierra one day after school, Jack was challenged to a race by school bully [[Vince]]. Though Arcee reminded Jack of the rules, Vince's disparaging of her vehicle mode caused her to reconsider, and Jack took up Vince's challenge. They trounced Vince in the race, though Arcee still wouldn't let Jack offer Sierra a ride and told him to keep the whole thing a secret from the other Autobots. When it turned out that Miko and Raf had already found out, Jack swore them to secrecy too. The next day, Vince challenged Jack to another street race, and with Sierra watching, Jack was compelled to agree. Arcee refused to take part, however Jack instead managed to get Bumblebee to help him. He and Bumblebee joined the street race, but so did [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]], and they quickly found themselves under attack by the Decepticon. Jack struggled to understand Bumblebee's beeping. They lost the 'Con, but Vince confronted them, drawing Knock Out's attention, and the bully was captured. When Arcee and Bulkhead arrived, Jack told them what had happened, and accompanied Arcee to the storage lockup where the Decepticon was hiding. He later spun a story to Vince, covering up the whole affair. The following day, Arcee allowed Jack to take Sierra for a ride. {{storylink|Speed Metal}}

[[Image:Predatory-Darbywebbed.jpg|thumb|250px|How does it feel to be on the receiving end [[Spider-Man]]!]]
Jack accompanied Arcee on a safe mission to a remote wooded region to scout an energon deposit. When they found a downed spacecraft, Arcee began acting cagey and dropped him off a fair distance from the ship as she believed it wasn't safe for Jack. He hiked his way back and eventually found her engaged in combat with newcomer [[Airachnid]]. After her foe pinned her to a rock with a glob of webbing, Jack attempted to free her, but fled when Airachnid recovered and began chasing him, intent on adding his head to her "trophies". Though clearly outmatched, Jack made it back to the crashed ship, where he used his pocket knife and fire starter to light a stick, igniting energon leaking from the ship and causing it to explode with Airachnid atop. Unfortunately she survived and globbed him to a tree, but Arcee arrived in time to save him, and Airachnid was forced to flee underground. Jack found that Arcee subsequently had more respect for his ability to face danger. {{storylink|Predatory}}

After Optimus was struck down with a [[Cybonic plague]] and Arcee and Bumblebee infiltrated the Decepticon ship, the three kids watched Ratchet monitor the pair's progress as Arcee patched Bumblebee into the comatose [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]'s mind to find the cure. {{storylink|Sick Mind}} Jack was a spectator for a basketball game between Bulkhead and Bumblebee, and observed that it was starting to turn into a dodge ball match instead. The next morning, he received a phone call in class from Raf, who reported that Bumblebee had failed to pick him up for school. {{storylink|Out of His Head}}

[[Image:Shadowzone-shadow.jpg|thumb|250px|left]]

When Miko seemed totally disinterested in a mission the Autobots were going on, Jack and Raf suspected she was up to something, and sure enough, she made a break for the GroundBridge. Jack tried to stop her, but only succeeded in dislodging [[Miko's phone|her cellphone]], and he and Raf were forced to follow her through. Once the Autobots spotted the trio, Ratchet ordered them to return through the bridge, however interference from a Decepticon GroundBridge caused a disruption which deposited the three kids in a [[shadowzone (dimension)|shadowzone]] dimension. Unable to be seen or heard by the Autobots, they were pursued by [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] who had been resurrected as a zombie by [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]]. Arcee attempted to ring Jack, but though his phone rang, they were unable to communicate through the interference. Jack was able to send a text message to Miko's phone back at base. The three kids attempted to use Starscream's severed arm to fend off Skyquake, but only succeeded in dislodging the zombie's arm, which began chasing them. They escaped back to the real world through a portal created by Ratchet. Back at base, and much to Jack's amazement, Miko offered to take responsibility for the whole mess. {{storylink|Shadowzone (episode)|Shadowzone}}

[[Image:JunemeetstheAutobots.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
Arriving home one night, Jack was met by his mom, who was upset that he was breaking curfew and had been neglecting his job and schoolwork. She grounded him for the next few weeks, banning him from using his motocycle. What's worse, there was no way Arcee would be able to stay in the garage, though she promised to try and get home before June Darby did each night. The next night Arcee failed to get back in time and had to sneak in after Jack's mom had already seen the empty garage. Jack ended up explaining about the Autobots, but she didn't believe him. Later that night Jack returned home to find a communicator from MECH telling him they had his mother. He and Arcee followed the Silas's instructions, finding the MECH hideout in an abandoned factory, but were shocked to discover that Airachnid was also involved. The 'Con gave Jack six minutes to rescue his mother, however he was able to pickpocket Silas's radio before he began his search. He found June in time, but Airachnid reminded him that the task was to ''rescue'' mom, and webbed his hand to the floor. While Arcee and Airachnid fought, Jack freed himself with an iron bar and helped Arcee by pouring concrete on top of the 'Con. Though it was only a temporary win, it gained them enough time for Fowler, alerted by Jack over the radio, to arrive with helicopters and force Airachnid to retreat. Jack and Arcee later look Jack's mother to the Autobot base to meet the others. {{storylink|Crisscross}}

Preparing to help Arcee with some routine maintenance, Jack was annoyed when his mom turned up at the base and her questioning about whether it was safe ended up with Arcee instead leaving on a mission with Bulkhead. Jack stayed at the base and listened as they reported back that the Decepticons had used a [[polarity gauntlet]] to stick them together. When Miko complained that Arcee was as bad as Jack's mom, June asked if she was really that bad, and Jack refused to answer. After Arcee returned, Jack went to greet her, but June interrupted him so she could give Arcee an apology. {{storylink|Metal Attraction}}

Jack and Miko accompanied Arcee and Bulkhead to an [[Stripped energon mine|abandoned energon mine]]. When Miko decided to go inside, Jack persuaded Arcee to let him go in too. While exploring the mine, he and Arcee stumbled on Megatron and Starscream. A firefight ensued, during which there was a cave in and Jack lost track of the others. He found an old Decepticon mining drill and managed to activate it. In the process of digging his way out, he found Megatron, now buried in rock, who suggested Jack take the opportunity to finish him off. Jack declined, believing it was not what Optimus would have wanted, and instead used the drill to rescue Miko from Starscream. The two kids were soon reunited with their Autobot friends and escaped the mine. {{storylink|Rock Bottom}} Optimus was proud of Jack for not finishing Megatron when he had the chance. {{storylink|Raf's Notes#Note15|Raf's Notes}}

Jack helped Raf surf the web looking for conspiracy sites with photos of Autobots on and was surprised when their antics elicited a laugh from Ratchet. When Raf was severely injured during a mission, Jack called in his mom to help, and watched as she and Ratchet worked to save Raf's life. {{storylink|One Shall Fall}}

When his mom decided she was going to take Jack and Miko with her so they wouldn't be endangered by the Autobots, opted to stay, believing that they were all endangered by the Dark Energon. He was pleased when she came back safe and sound after an encounter with a tornado, though she still grounded him. Jack was thus still at the base when the Autobots and gathered humans worked out that [[Unicron]] was at the center of the Earth and likely waking up. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

The humans listened as the Autobots battled giant stone Unicrons, and as Megatron arrived to offer to help the Autobots defeat Unicron. When Jack wondered about siphoning Unicron out of the Earth's core somehow, Raf and Ratchet explained that Unicron ''was'' the Earth's core and it wouldn't be possible to remove him. The humans hid as Megatron arrived, but after Raf ran out to confront the Decepticon leader, Jack had to restrain him. Megatron recognized Jack from their earlier encounter. Before leaving on the mission to the Earth's core, Optimus presented Jack with the key to the GroundBridge power supply for safe keeping. The humans all watched the Autobots and Megatron step through the GroundBridge into Earth's core. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 2}}

Ratchet told the kids about Optimus back when he was Orion Pax, and how he got the Matrix. Jack was shocked when Ratchet revealed that the key Optimus had given him was actually the [[Key to Vector Sigma]]. The kids all took shelter underneath Ratchet when the ground started shaking, but were overjoyed when it turned out Prime's team had succeeded. They welcomed the Autobots back, but were shocked by the loss of Optimus, who had become amnesiac. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

[[Image:TFP Orion Pax Part 2 - Jack Salute .jpg|thumb|left|250px|]]When it was determined that accessing Vector Sigma would be the only way to restore Optimus's memory, Jack was more than willing to go, but they lacked a way to reach Cybertron. He had a brief encounter with Sierra when she came to visit him at his after-school job at KO Burger, though that didn't go so well. Neither did the Autobot's hunt for Optimus, however Jack believed that they would be able to commandeer the Decepticon space bridge when it was completed and reach [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 1}} Once the Autobots located and secured the space bridge, Jack and Arcee went through, arriving on Cybertron. They soon found the Key to Vector Sigma was pointing them towards [[Kaon]] and headed in to the former Decepticon stronghold. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 2}}
{{spoiler|Orion Pax, Part 3|March 10, 2012}}
While Arcee was kept busy by an [[Insecticon (Prime)|Insecticon]], Jack headed down to the Victor Sigma chamber and began downloading information into the Key. He was soon trying to fight off a swarm of scraplets, but lucked out when the Insecticon arrived and he was able to divert them to attacking it instead. With the Key fully charged with info, he and Arcee returned to Earth where he transferred it back to Optimus, restoring the Autobot leader's memory. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 3}}
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===Titan Magazines ''Prime'' comics===
After the Autobots found a live nuke in the base, Jack gave them more bad news by pointing out the sensors were picking up incoming Decepticons. He and Mika watched Raf try to defuse the nuclear bomb, and both cheered when he succeeded. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.1|The Safe and the Failsafe}} The Autobots took the kids to [[Valley of Fire State Park]] to relax, and Jack was impressed by Raf's knowledge of the area. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.2|War Story}} Jack took part in mocking Bulkhead as he tried to decorate a [[Christmas]] tree. When Arcee and Bulkhead were left at base to look after the kids, Raf suggested that they try to find something they had in common. When that seemed to be going badly, Jack asked Raf what plan B was, and it turned out to be Jenga. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.3|Ice Breaker}}

When Raf became hypnotised and let a bunch of Vehicons into the base, Jack tried unsuccessfully to snap his friend out of his trance. It was only when Miko pointed out the Decepticon logo on the packaging for the game that Jack figured it out, and once they'd brought Raf back to reality, Jack filled him in on what was happening. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.4|Tinker, Tailor, Gamer, Spy!}}

{{spoiler|Transformers Comic issue 4.5|March 2, 2012}}
Suspicious about some exploding schools, Jack and Arcee camped out at [[Franklin High School]] and were rewarded when [[Silas]] arrived to blow the school up. Realising that Silas was seeking vengeance for [[Crisscross|an earlier encounter]], Jack sneaked into the school and was quickly caught by Silas, who detonated bombs to trap him. Arcee naturally came to the rescue and they followed Silas up to the roof where Jack administered a blow to the unmentionables. Despite this, Silas was able to escape, and the pair had to leap from the burning building. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.5|School Is... Out!}}

==Toys==
===Prime===
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[[Image:Primetoy-JackRafNYCC.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Ugh! It's like New York out there!]]
*'''Bumblebee and Arcee, Includes Raf Esquivel and Jack Darby''' (NYCC 2011 exclusive)
: The Jack Darby and [[Raf Esquivel]] figurines were [[redeco]]ed in New York-themed shirts and came with redecoed figures of [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] and [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]]. They were sold exclusively at New York Comic-Con 2011.
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[[Image:Primetoy-JackMikoRaf.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The surliest Transformers merchandise ever.]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron''' (5 figure gift set, 2011)
: A PVC figurine of Jack comes with figurines of [[Miko Nakadai]] and [[Raf Esquivel]], as well as Deluxe-Class toys of [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]. As with the other two figures, Jack's head can turn and he can be removed from his stand.
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==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Jack Darby''' (ジャック・ダービー ''Jakku Dābī'')

==External links==
* [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/characters/jackson-darby Jack's character page @ Hubworld.com]

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[[Category: Prime humans]]

Jack Darby

2012-03-08T14:10:21Z

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:''Jack is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)| Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''

[[Image:JackDarby_stockimage.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Sam Witwicky]] called, he wants his <s>clothes</s> <s>personality</s> life back.]]

'''Jackson "Jack" Darby''' is a smart, responsible sixteen-year old dude. Before he met the Autobots, he was hard at work flipping burgers so he could save up for his first motorbike; now, he helps fight the monstrous Decepticons alongside his friends [[Miko Nakadai]] and [[Raf Esquivel]]. Only two things get past his responsibility and intelligence: badass bikes and the need to impress girls. Since his guardian Autobot is [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]], he gets both at once! While she's not thrilled to guard him, his heroic qualities are winning her over.

==Fiction==
===''Prime'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Josh Keaton]] (English), [[Jorge Saudinós]] (Spain-Spanish), [[Sang-hyeon Eom]] (Korean), [[Paolo De Santis]] (Italian), [[Nico Sablik]] (German), [[Arturo Castañeda]] (Latin American-Spanish)
[[Image:DarknessRising1-JackKOBurger.jpg|left|thumb|250px|[[KO Burger]] has a pretty lax dress code.]]
Jack's menial after-school job at the drive-thru at [[KO Burger]] was getting him down, with rude customers who took food without paying. As he knocked off and reported in to his mom by phone, he spotted a sweet motorcycle in the parking lot. While he was admiring it and promising one day he'd have enough money to buy a motorcycle just like it, he was caught talking to it by [[Sierra]] and [[Sierra's friend|her friend]], causing him to trip over his words somewhat. He was saved from further embarrassment when the motorcycle — in reality Arcee — took off with him still on board as she was being chased by two Decepticon cars. After a short chase, she warned him not to tell anyone and let him go, only for one of the Decepticons to start following him, forcing her to pick him up again. The chase ended up in a drainage canal, where Jack encountered Raf for the first time, and the pair watched Arcee and [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] duke it out, before hastily making an escape when one of the Decepticons started chasing them.

[[Image:Jack Darby Arcee Darkness Rising 1.jpg|thumb|300px|You think that's embarrassing? You haven't heard him scream yet.]]

Jack later met Raf outside the high school and suggested to the boy that they keep the adventure to themselves, but Bumblebee and Arcee turned up to take the pair back to the [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|Autobot base]]. Jack wasn't keen, but the pair were spotted arguing by Miko, who loudly encouraged him to go, and as a result accompanied Jack on Arcee back to base. The three kids were awestruck by the Autobots and their headquarters, and [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] explained to them the whole Cybertronian war. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}} Jack was keen to get home, much to Miko's disgust, however they were interrupted by a visit by Agent [[William Fowler|Fowler]], forcing the three kids to hide. The kids we left at base with Ratchet when the rest of the Autobots left on a mission, and tried not to get under Ratchet's feet.

When the Autobots returned empty-handed, Jack whisked Miko away before her exuberance could become too tactless. He pointed out to Optimus that he really needed to get home as it was almost 10 and he had a curfew. Prime assigned Arcee to watch over him. Of course, when Jack got home, he had a job explaining when he'd gotten the motorcycle to [[June Darby|his mother]]. The next morning, Arcee woke him early, though it was a Saturday, as they had to get to the Autobot base promptly. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 2}}

On the way back, Arcee showed off some fancy riding skills. They reached the base at the same time as Bulkhead and Bumblebee, however Optimus immediately left on a mission with Ratchet. Arcee, left in charge, opted to go out on patrol with Bumblebee, leaving the kids with Bulkhead as a carer. When Miko suggested they get a band going, Jack offered the use of his harmonica skills, which Miko didn't seem particularly keen on. After having his ears punished by Miko's electric guitar solo, Jack and the others had to hide behind Bulkhead to avoid being seen by Agent Fowler, but Miko's guitar gave them away. Bulkhead managed to prevent Fowler from taking the three kids into custody, but a short time later they detected a distress call from Fowler's helicopter, suggesting the agent had been captured by the Decepticons. After Bulkhead bridged out to try for a rescue, Jack and Raf realized that Miko had surreptitiously followed the Autobot. Figuring that Bulkhead might not have noticed her, the pair reactivated the ground bridge and followed Bulkhead, only to arrive near the Decepticon ship and accidentally alert the sentries stationed on it. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 3}}

Bulkhead rescued the pair while they were under fire and dropped them off behind some cover before heading into the ship. Unfortunately the pair were spotted by the Decepticons a short time later, and found themselves being carried to the brig. Arcee and Bumblebee rescued them both, and they all found Bulkhead and Miko, but the kids soon discovered that the middle of a battle is not the healthiest place to be. The Autobots cleared out a room for them to hide in, and Jack immediately told Miko off for getting them involved. Their arguing upset Raf, and the pair tried to console him, before Jack noticed a computer display appeared to be showing important data. They were interrupted by a Decepticon, which led Jack to have to make a daring save to prevent Raf from being shot. Jack got Miko to take a cameraphone picture of the display before they hastily left the room. Luckily the Autobots were returning from having rescued Fowler, and Bulkhead was able to destroy the Decepticon.

Once they were back at base, Jack expressed his discontent about the hazards of hanging around the Autobots, and decided to return to his old boring life. They sent him home by ground bridge. Miko dropped by later, and attempted to talk him into returning to the excitement of helping the Autobots, but Jack preferred a more normal existence. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}}

[[Image:DarknessRising5-Arceeunconscious.jpg|thumb|250px|left|Other bikes won't transform into robot guardians.]]

Arcee paid him a visit as he arrived at his KO Burger job, and managed to persuade him to return with her to the Autobot base. No sooner had they arrived than the Autobots left on a mission into space to stop the Decepticons from using their [[space bridge]]. It became apparent that the Decepticons were targeting the bridge using a radio telescope array in [[Texas]], and Jack suggested the three kids bridge there so Raf could override the system onsite. They did so, but it turned out that [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] was also onsite, and the Decepticon dispatched a tentacle to interfere with their attempts to stop him. Jack and Miko were knocked aside by the tentacle, however Jack was not impressed by Miko's attempts to fight back when the tentacle took the axe she was holding. They followed it to the next room to find Soundwave had locked the dishes on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The kids returned to base where they kept track of the other Autobots' work in blowing up the space bridge, however they returned with Arcee in a bad way. After she and Jack shared a moment, she seemed much better. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

Assigned to do a science project for school, Jack opted to get a motorcycle engine working, but was surprised when Arcee turned out to be clueless in the area of automotive engineering. The project was eventually taken over by Ratchet who built ''something'' which could be said to resemble an engine. When Jack switched it on at school, it promptly ran riot and it can be assumed he did not achieve a favorable grade. {{storylink|Masters & Students}}

[[Image:ScrapheapJackfireextinguisher.jpg|thumb|200px|Relax, that's not a scar.]]

The kids arrived at base on a Saturday just as Optimus and Arcee were preparing to go on a mission. Jack was initially keen to come along, until he found out they were headed for the [[Arctic]]. Instead, he stayed at base and played [[Generic racing game|videogames]] with Miko. Of course, just as he was winning, the power went out momentarily and stopped the game. The cause of the malfunctions became clear when Raf returned to the control room with a small metal critter the Autobots called a [[Scraplet]]. Jack attempted to protect Ratchet as the Autobot worked on the broken ground bridge, and used a [[fire extinguisher]] to freeze the Scraplets that attacked them. Once he and the other kids had help the Autobots, a plan was formulated to get rid of the Scraplets, and the three kids repaired an [[energon]] fuel line, enabling the Autobots to send the Scraplets to the Arctic. Later, the kids helped with repairs on Bulkhead and Bumblebee. {{storylink|Scrapheap (episode)|Scrapheap}}

Jack was surprised to learn there were more Autobots out in space when [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] arrived on the planet. The Autobots celebrated his arrival, though Jack mostly hung out on the sidelines with Arcee. When Wheeljack turned out to be a Decepticon imposter, Jack wondered if there was a real Wheeljack, and was alarmed when the phony took Miko hostage. Following the Imposters ejection from the base and the arrival of the real Wheeljack, the Autobots had another party and Jack, Raf and Bumblebee busted out some dance moves. The three kids turned out to see Wheeljack off when he returned to space. {{storylink|Con Job}}

[[Image:JackFireExtinguisherMikoAxe.jpg|thumb|250px|left|By now, he's giving Gordon Freeman a run for his money.]]
When the Autobots helped Fowler move a hi-tech device, the kids observed their progress from base with Ratchet. The [[Dynamic Nuclear Generation System]] was in danger of being captured by [[MECH]], so Jack and Miko ground bridged to the speeding train it was on in a last-ditch attempt to defend it. Jack grabbed a fire extinguisher to wave at the incoming MECH goons, but in the end they retreated after seeing Optimus. [[Silas]] blew up the track ahead of the train, and for a few moments Jack and Miko thought they were doomed, but Optimus managed to stop the train in time. {{storylink|Convoy (episode)|Convoy}}

When Miko and Bulkhead arrived at base following Miko's detention, Jack loudly asked what she had done this time. When the Autobots later discovered that an [[Energon Harvester]] was in an Earth museum, Jack and Raf found themselves volunteered by Miko to go in and retrieve it, despite Jack's protest that what they were doing was theft. They were sent in on a scissor lift via GroundBridge and successfully pinched the device from the statue holding it. During their escape, Miko was caught by a [[museum security guard|security guard]], and Jack and Raf ran into Soundwave, who swiped the Harvester off them. Back at base, Jack wondered how they were going to free Miko, and Ratchet revealed the replica Harvester he was working on to replace the stolen one. Jack resigned himself to the idea of adding forgery to his list of crimes, which now already included theft. {{storylink|Deus ex Machina}}

While talking to Sierra one day after school, Jack was challenged to a race by school bully [[Vince]]. Though Arcee reminded Jack of the rules, Vince's disparaging of her vehicle mode caused her to reconsider, and Jack took up Vince's challenge. They trounced Vince in the race, though Arcee still wouldn't let Jack offer Sierra a ride and told him to keep the whole thing a secret from the other Autobots. When it turned out that Miko and Raf had already found out, Jack swore them to secrecy too. The next day, Vince challenged Jack to another street race, and with Sierra watching, Jack was compelled to agree. Arcee refused to take part, however Jack instead managed to get Bumblebee to help him. He and Bumblebee joined the street race, but so did [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]], and they quickly found themselves under attack by the Decepticon. Jack struggled to understand Bumblebee's beeping. They lost the 'Con, but Vince confronted them, drawing Knock Out's attention, and the bully was captured. When Arcee and Bulkhead arrived, Jack told them what had happened, and accompanied Arcee to the storage lockup where the Decepticon was hiding. He later spun a story to Vince, covering up the whole affair. The following day, Arcee allowed Jack to take Sierra for a ride. {{storylink|Speed Metal}}

[[Image:Predatory-Darbywebbed.jpg|thumb|250px|How does it feel to be on the receiving end [[Spider-Man]]!]]
Jack accompanied Arcee on a safe mission to a remote wooded region to scout an energon deposit. When they found a downed spacecraft, Arcee began acting cagey and dropped him off a fair distance from the ship as she believed it wasn't safe for Jack. He hiked his way back and eventually found her engaged in combat with newcomer [[Airachnid]]. After her foe pinned her to a rock with a glob of webbing, Jack attempted to free her, but fled when Airachnid recovered and began chasing him, intent on adding his head to her "trophies". Though clearly outmatched, Jack made it back to the crashed ship, where he used his pocket knife and fire starter to light a stick, igniting energon leaking from the ship and causing it to explode with Airachnid atop. Unfortunately she survived and globbed him to a tree, but Arcee arrived in time to save him, and Airachnid was forced to flee underground. Jack found that Arcee subsequently had more respect for his ability to face danger. {{storylink|Predatory}}

After Optimus was struck down with a [[Cybonic plague]] and Arcee and Bumblebee infiltrated the Decepticon ship, the three kids watched Ratchet monitor the pair's progress as Arcee patched Bumblebee into the comatose [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]'s mind to find the cure. {{storylink|Sick Mind}} Jack was a spectator for a basketball game between Bulkhead and Bumblebee, and observed that it was starting to turn into a dodge ball match instead. The next morning, he received a phone call in class from Raf, who reported that Bumblebee had failed to pick him up for school. {{storylink|Out of His Head}}

[[Image:Shadowzone-shadow.jpg|thumb|250px|left]]

When Miko seemed totally disinterested in a mission the Autobots were going on, Jack and Raf suspected she was up to something, and sure enough, she made a break for the GroundBridge. Jack tried to stop her, but only succeeded in dislodging [[Miko's phone|her cellphone]], and he and Raf were forced to follow her through. Once the Autobots spotted the trio, Ratchet ordered them to return through the bridge, however interference from a Decepticon GroundBridge caused a disruption which deposited the three kids in a [[shadowzone (dimension)|shadowzone]] dimension. Unable to be seen or heard by the Autobots, they were pursued by [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] who had been resurrected as a zombie by [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]]. Arcee attempted to ring Jack, but though his phone rang, they were unable to communicate through the interference. Jack was able to send a text message to Miko's phone back at base. The three kids attempted to use Starscream's severed arm to fend off Skyquake, but only succeeded in dislodging the zombie's arm, which began chasing them. They escaped back to the real world through a portal created by Ratchet. Back at base, and much to Jack's amazement, Miko offered to take responsibility for the whole mess. {{storylink|Shadowzone (episode)|Shadowzone}}

[[Image:JunemeetstheAutobots.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
Arriving home one night, Jack was met by his mom, who was upset that he was breaking curfew and had been neglecting his job and schoolwork. She grounded him for the next few weeks, banning him from using his motocycle. What's worse, there was no way Arcee would be able to stay in the garage, though she promised to try and get home before June Darby did each night. The next night Arcee failed to get back in time and had to sneak in after Jack's mom had already seen the empty garage. Jack ended up explaining about the Autobots, but she didn't believe him. Later that night Jack returned home to find a communicator from MECH telling him they had his mother. He and Arcee followed the Silas's instructions, finding the MECH hideout in an abandoned factory, but were shocked to discover that Airachnid was also involved. The 'Con gave Jack six minutes to rescue his mother, however he was able to pickpocket Silas's radio before he began his search. He found June in time, but Airachnid reminded him that the task was to ''rescue'' mom, and webbed his hand to the floor. While Arcee and Airachnid fought, Jack freed himself with an iron bar and helped Arcee by pouring concrete on top of the 'Con. Though it was only a temporary win, it gained them enough time for Fowler, alerted by Jack over the radio, to arrive with helicopters and force Airachnid to retreat. Jack and Arcee later look Jack's mother to the Autobot base to meet the others. {{storylink|Crisscross}}

Preparing to help Arcee with some routine maintenance, Jack was annoyed when his mom turned up at the base and her questioning about whether it was safe ended up with Arcee instead leaving on a mission with Bulkhead. Jack stayed at the base and listened as they reported back that the Decepticons had used a [[polarity gauntlet]] to stick them together. When Miko complained that Arcee was as bad as Jack's mom, June asked if she was really that bad, and Jack refused to answer. After Arcee returned, Jack went to greet her, but June interrupted him so she could give Arcee an apology. {{storylink|Metal Attraction}}

Jack and Miko accompanied Arcee and Bulkhead to an [[Stripped energon mine|abandoned energon mine]]. When Miko decided to go inside, Jack persuaded Arcee to let him go in too. While exploring the mine, he and Arcee stumbled on Megatron and Starscream. A firefight ensued, during which there was a cave in and Jack lost track of the others. He found an old Decepticon mining drill and managed to activate it. In the process of digging his way out, he found Megatron, now buried in rock, who suggested Jack take the opportunity to finish him off. Jack declined, believing it was not what Optimus would have wanted, and instead used the drill to rescue Miko from Starscream. The two kids were soon reunited with their Autobot friends and escaped the mine. {{storylink|Rock Bottom}} Optimus was proud of Jack for not finishing Megatron when he had the chance. {{storylink|Raf's Notes#Note15|Raf's Notes}}

Jack helped Raf surf the web looking for conspiracy sites with photos of Autobots on and was surprised when their antics elicited a laugh from Ratchet. When Raf was severely injured during a mission, Jack called in his mom to help, and watched as she and Ratchet worked to save Raf's life. {{storylink|One Shall Fall}}

When his mom decided she was going to take Jack and Miko with her so they wouldn't be endangered by the Autobots, opted to stay, believing that they were all endangered by the Dark Energon. He was pleased when she came back safe and sound after an encounter with a tornado, though she still grounded him. Jack was thus still at the base when the Autobots and gathered humans worked out that [[Unicron]] was at the center of the Earth and likely waking up. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

The humans listened as the Autobots battled giant stone Unicrons, and as Megatron arrived to offer to help the Autobots defeat Unicron. When Jack wondered about siphoning Unicron out of the Earth's core somehow, Raf and Ratchet explained that Unicron ''was'' the Earth's core and it wouldn't be possible to remove him. The humans hid as Megatron arrived, but after Raf ran out to confront the Decepticon leader, Jack had to restrain him. Megatron recognized Jack from their earlier encounter. Before leaving on the mission to the Earth's core, Optimus presented Jack with the key to the GroundBridge power supply for safe keeping. The humans all watched the Autobots and Megatron step through the GroundBridge into Earth's core. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 2}}

Ratchet told the kids about Optimus back when he was Orion Pax, and how he got the Matrix. Jack was shocked when Ratchet revealed that the key Optimus had given him was actually the [[Key to Vector Sigma]]. The kids all took shelter underneath Ratchet when the ground started shaking, but were overjoyed when it turned out Prime's team had succeeded. They welcomed the Autobots back, but were shocked by the loss of Optimus, who had become amnesiac. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

When it was determined that accessing Vector Sigma would be the only way to restore Optimus's memory, Jack was more than willing to go, but they lacked a way to reach Cybertron. He had a brief encounter with Sierra when she came to visit him at his after-school job at KO Burger, though that didn't go so well. Neither did the Autobot's hunt for Optimus, however Jack believed that they would be able to commandeer the Decepticon space bridge when it was completed and reach [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 1}} Once the Autobots located and secured the space bridge, Jack and Arcee went through, arriving on Cybertron. They soon found the Key to Vector Sigma was pointing them towards [[Kaon]] and headed in to the former Decepticon stronghold. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 2}}
{{spoiler|Orion Pax, Part 3|March 10, 2012}}
[[Image:TFP Orion Pax Part 2 - Jack Salute .jpg|thumb|left|250px|]]While Arcee was kept busy by an [[Insecticon (Prime)|Insecticon]], Jack headed down to the Victor Sigma chamber and began downloading information into the Key. He was soon trying to fight off a swarm of scraplets, but lucked out when the Insecticon arrived and he was able to divert them to attacking it instead. With the Key fully charged with info, he and Arcee returned to Earth where he transferred it back to Optimus, restoring the Autobot leader's memory. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 3}}
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===Titan Magazines ''Prime'' comics===
After the Autobots found a live nuke in the base, Jack gave them more bad news by pointing out the sensors were picking up incoming Decepticons. He and Mika watched Raf try to defuse the nuclear bomb, and both cheered when he succeeded. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.1|The Safe and the Failsafe}} The Autobots took the kids to [[Valley of Fire State Park]] to relax, and Jack was impressed by Raf's knowledge of the area. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.2|War Story}} Jack took part in mocking Bulkhead as he tried to decorate a [[Christmas]] tree. When Arcee and Bulkhead were left at base to look after the kids, Raf suggested that they try to find something they had in common. When that seemed to be going badly, Jack asked Raf what plan B was, and it turned out to be Jenga. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.3|Ice Breaker}}

When Raf became hypnotised and let a bunch of Vehicons into the base, Jack tried unsuccessfully to snap his friend out of his trance. It was only when Miko pointed out the Decepticon logo on the packaging for the game that Jack figured it out, and once they'd brought Raf back to reality, Jack filled him in on what was happening. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.4|Tinker, Tailor, Gamer, Spy!}}

{{spoiler|Transformers Comic issue 4.5|March 2, 2012}}
Suspicious about some exploding schools, Jack and Arcee camped out at [[Franklin High School]] and were rewarded when [[Silas]] arrived to blow the school up. Realising that Silas was seeking vengeance for [[Crisscross|an earlier encounter]], Jack sneaked into the school and was quickly caught by Silas, who detonated bombs to trap him. Arcee naturally came to the rescue and they followed Silas up to the roof where Jack administered a blow to the unmentionables. Despite this, Silas was able to escape, and the pair had to leap from the burning building. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.5|School Is... Out!}}

==Toys==
===Prime===
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[[Image:Primetoy-JackRafNYCC.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Ugh! It's like New York out there!]]
*'''Bumblebee and Arcee, Includes Raf Esquivel and Jack Darby''' (NYCC 2011 exclusive)
: The Jack Darby and [[Raf Esquivel]] figurines were [[redeco]]ed in New York-themed shirts and came with redecoed figures of [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] and [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]]. They were sold exclusively at New York Comic-Con 2011.
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[[Image:Primetoy-JackMikoRaf.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The surliest Transformers merchandise ever.]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron''' (5 figure gift set, 2011)
: A PVC figurine of Jack comes with figurines of [[Miko Nakadai]] and [[Raf Esquivel]], as well as Deluxe-Class toys of [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]. As with the other two figures, Jack's head can turn and he can be removed from his stand.
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==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Jack Darby''' (ジャック・ダービー ''Jakku Dābī'')

==External links==
* [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/characters/jackson-darby Jack's character page @ Hubworld.com]

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[[Category: Prime humans]]

Orion Pax, Part 2

2012-03-08T14:01:35Z

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|title="Orion Pax, Part 2"
|airdate=[[February 25]], [[2012]]
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|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
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'''Jack learns how to restore Optimus's memory.'''

==Synopsis==
On the ''[[Nemesis (Prime)|Nemesis]]'', [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] points his missiles at [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Orion Pax]]. Accidentally addressing him as "Optimus Prime", the former Seeker realizes something is wrong. Through a brief conversation, Starscream learns of [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]'s deception to Orion, and states that the archivist has much to learn. He begins to speak, but is interrupted by a team of [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]]. Starscream leaps into action and makes a quick escape, and Pax is ordered to stay in his quarters, his curiosity piqued.

Back at base, [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] finishes adjustments on the [[GroundBridge]]'s power level, hoping to increase its range. [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]] pilots a test subject in the form of a toy car into the bridge, but instead of teleporting, it is destroyed. Raf consoles Ratchet on the failure, saying it was only the first try, but Ratchet thinks it was a doomed idea from the start. In an effort to cheer him up, Raf tells the story of his slow triumph over the rope climb in gym class, but it falls on oblivious ears, since Ratchet doesn't understand what gym class has to do with increasing the Ground Bridge's power level.

In the halls of the ''Nemesis'', Starscream deftly maneuvers his way past many guards, blasting a door out in his bid for freedom. Seconds away from escape, a laser blast catches his tail, and he spins to the ground. Orion is soon visited by Megatron, who apologizes for the commotion. Orion asks why Megatron told him Starscream was dead, and he replies that Starscream is dead to the Decepticon cause—a defector to the Autobots. Megatron departs, but Orion's interest is piqued by Starscream's reference to him, and he begins to read more about this "Optimus Prime." On the database page for Optimus Prime (which displays a false image of a menacing-looking robot), Orion reads that the name belonged to the leader of the Autobot faction, who was not Ratchet, as Megatron told him.

[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] arrives at base, and reports no leads on the location of the Decepticons' [[space bridge]]. About to send Bulkhead on his way to the next search quadrant, Ratchet receives a high-frequency message of peculiar nature: it is addressed to him, and is from Starscream. The plane tells him that he must come alone with a medical kit to repair him, in exchange for valuable intel about Optimus.

In a forest, the Ground Bridge portal opens, to the surprise and dismay of the wounded Starscream, for both Ratchet and Bulkhead step out. Ratchet plays no games with his help, refusing to repair him unless he gets some useful information. Realizing his compromised position, Starscream tells all, but succumbs to horror when he finds the Autobots already know it as well, and plan to abandon him as a result. As Ratchet and Bulkhead depart, the medic responds to Starscream's pleading with the ultimatum that unless he knows anything about the space bridge, he's going to rot. The jet is amazed that his troops finished his project when he was gone, then realizes that this is the information Ratchet is looking for. He smugly shows the Autobot where it hurts.

The group convenes at base to discuss the plan of action in seizing the space bridge. [[June Darby|June]] voices her concern at the prospect of [[Jack Darby|Jack]] traveling to another planet, but is reassured by [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] and [[William Fowler|Fowler]], and realizes the necessity of his mission. Ratchet works out a plan, where all four Autobots storm the space bridge chamber, jamming communications to block the deployment of Decepticon reinforcements. Fowler offers Jack a spacesuit for use on Cybertron, and Arcee volunteers to go with him. The Ground Bridge opens, and the team enters.

[[Image:TFP Orion Pax Part 2 - Jack Salute .jpg|thumb|left|200px|Don't wanna close my eyes, don't wanna fall asleep...]]At the Space Bridge complex, the team makes quick work of the guards. One attempts to send a message to control, but is stymied by Ratchet's scrambler and Bulkhead's fist. They arrive at the bridge, and Jack, fully decked out in a donated spacesuit from [[NASA]], is bridged to the location. The space bridge is activated, and the duo step through to Arcee's homeworld and Jack's destiny.

In the complex, the remaining Autobots are stopped in their tracks by a transmission from [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]], asking for a status report. As he makes continual demands for a report, who should take the call is fumbled over, as Ratchet and Bulkhead's voices would be recognized, and Bumblebee can't speak at all. Ratchet settles on Agent Fowler, and he is patched through. He manages to field the call, and turns it around, asking Breakdown how he was, to surprising success.

Meanwhile, Orion searches through all files he can on "Optimus Prime", only to find that they have been altered, the true files encrypted, to his chagrin. However, Orion, a skillful hacker, manages to get past them and find an image that shocks him; ''he'' is Optimus Prime! This does not go unnoticed by [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] and Megatron. The latter vows that he ''will'' see to it that Orion completes [[Project Iacon]], even if he has to inflict grievous pain on him.

On Cybertron, Jack and Arcee follow the [[Key to Vector Sigma|Key]]'s signal and are surprised to find that it leads to [[Kaon]], the Decepticon capital, which is now abandoned, except, as Arcee puts it, for "Vermin". As they advance on foot, they cross a bridge, unaware that underneath them, one such Vermin is transforming and beginning to follow them...
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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
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*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (4)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (8)
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (9)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (10)

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*"[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Orion Pax]]" (2)
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (3)
*[[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] (6)
*[[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] (7)
*[[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] (15)
*[[Insecticon (WFC)|Insecticon]] (16)

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*[[Raf Esquivel]] (5)
*[[June Darby]] (11)
*[[William Fowler]] (12)
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (13)
*[[Jack Darby]] (14)

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*[[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] (1)

}}

==Quotes==
"You do not suggest that our leader... would speak falsehoods?" 
"You truly are being kept in the dark, aren't you?"
:—'''Starscream''', upon learning of "Orion's" deception.

"The Decepticon Space Bridge is located right here, deep within an energon mine." 
"Adjacent to a raw fuel supply, clever. What's our intel?" 
"A... reliable source" 
:—'''Ratchet''' talks to '''Arcee''' about their tip, without realizing he's calling a Decepticon reliable.

"Command, this is Space Bridge Control! We are under attack! Command, do you read me?" 
<nowiki>*</nowiki>commlink static* 
<nowiki>*</nowiki>''Bulkhead smashes the Vehicon's face''* 
"Shhhh."
:—A '''Vehicon''' is reminded of the no talking rule by '''Ratchet'''.

"Thank you, Starscream." 
<nowiki>*</nowiki>''Bulkhead looks at Arcee* 
"Who else would it have been?"
:—'''Arcee'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s too clever by half.

"Don't worry, Space Bridging is just like Ground Bridging." 
<nowiki>*</nowiki>Space Bridge fires up with a loud noise* 
"JUST A LITTLE MORE INTENSE."
:—'''Arcee''' tries to ease '''Jack's''' nerves about going on the big boy rides.

"Somebody say something, pronto!" 
"Rafael, patch in Agent Fowler."
:—'''Agent Fowler''' gets exactly what he wants, just not what he expected.

"You have one nano-cycle to respond or-" 
"This is space bridge control... situation normal." 
"Normal? You sure about that?" 
"We were just, calibrating the sub-systems and, we uh, had a surge, but it's fine now. How are ''you?''" 
"...Uh, uh, never better. I know it's thankless down there, keep up the good work, huh?" 
"Will do, control out."
:—'''Breakdown''' and '''Fowler''' demonstrate that hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good "how are you" at your side.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===

===Continuity errors===
*There's no evidence of [[Dark Energon]] on Cybertron, much less any [[Terrorcon (Prime)|zombies]], despite Megatron having used enough to cover the entire planet in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 5]]".

===Continuity notes===
* The braces on Raf's legs from last episode are gone. This is not so jarring as it seems at first, as the events of that led to his condition (in "[[One Shall Fall]]") took place two months prior, according to Fowler.
*Ratchet notes that Breakdown would recognize his or Bulkhead's voice. The latter is due to Breakdown and Bulkhead's rivalry (seen from Breakdown's first appearance in "[[Deus Ex Machina]]"), and the former is probably from Breakdown's encounter with Ratchet in "[[Stronger, Faster]]".
*Kaon, the Decepticon capital, makes its first actual appearance, following Megatron's dream recreation of it in "[[Sick Mind]]". Jack remembers it from the events of that episode after Arcee identifies it.

===Transformers references===

===Real-world references===
*The scene of Fowler talking to Breakdown is a reference to a similar scene in ''[[Star Wars]] Episode IV: A New Hope''. However, this time the guy on the other end responds more warmly to the "how are you?" bit.

===Trivia===
* Aww, Breakdown cares about the worker bots.
* This is the second time Megatron denounces a mistake relating to Starscream that he "[[Out of His Head|does not intend to make again]]".

[[Category:Prime episodes]]

File:TFP Orion Pax Part 2 - Jack Salute .jpg

2012-03-08T13:58:06Z

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{{Primecap|[[Jack Darby]] prepares to enter the [[space bridge]] to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]|Orion Pax, Part 2|2}}

MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2012 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Entries

2012-02-24T05:47:44Z

G1MarvelBlaster:

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top five ''Transformers'' characters, from any era. They must actually '''be''' Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, non-Transformer robots, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will '''not''' be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.
#Take your top five list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character's franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results.
#You '''cannot''' vote for a specific version of Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Megatron, Starscream, Dinobot, Ironhide, Ratchet, Soundwave, or Waspinator. They've already been inducted!
##You '''also''' can't vote for '''Grimlock, Jazz or Shockwave'''. They're being automatically inducted this year!
#'''However, you CAN vote for ''[[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] or [[Optimus Primal]]! Hasbro considers them separate!'''
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*Bulkhead, Emirate Xaaron, Side Swipe, Terrorsaur (BW), X-Brawn --(four tildes)

Poll entry period ends at 3pm on '''[[March 1]], 2012'''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:25, 23 February 2012 (EST)

==Poll entries==


*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Blaster, Perceptor, Rumble --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:32, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Barricade, Devastator, Laserbeak, Ravage, Sideways --[[User:LV|LV]] 12:34, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Bluestreak, Hot Rod, Rattrap, Ravage, Wheeljack --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:41, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Hot Rod, Ratbat, Ravage, Skywarp--[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 12:44, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Barricade, Bulkhead, Rattrap, Sideways, Sky-Byte [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:58, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Blaster, Hot Rod, Perceptor, Scorponok, Wheeljack {{unsigned|84.13.39.130}}
*Demolishor, Megatron (BW), Scorponok, Sideways, Sky-Byte. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 13:14, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Cyclonus, Hot Rod, Jetfire, Kup, Rhinox - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:21, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Kup, Prowl (G1), Scorponok (G1), Sunstreaker, Swindle --[[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 13:32, 23 February 2012 (EST)
* Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Hot Rod, Megatron (BW), Swindle --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:41, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Ravage, Unicron --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:47, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Blackarachnia, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rhinox, Sky-Byte [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:54, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Megatron (BW), Minerva (Masterforce), Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Rhinox {{unsigned|50.10.61.121}}
*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Laserbeak, Prowl, Sky-Byte --[[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 14:07, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Blades, Hot Rod, Kup, Megatron (BW), Smokescreen --[[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 14:11, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Bruticus, Fortress Maximus, Omega Supreme, Skywarp, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Starfield|Starﬁeld]] 14:19, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Rhinox, Sky-Byte --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:22, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Cliffjumper, Cyclonus, Prowl, Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack --[[User:AutoUIMagnus299|AutoUIMagnus299]] 14:37, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Hot Rod, Jetfire, Omega Supreme, Prowl --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:57, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Depth Charge, Quickstrike, Rattrap, Rhinox, Wreck-Gar --[[User:Femmes Rule!|Femmes Rule!]] 15:01, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Prowl, Rodimus Prime, Scorponok, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 15:19, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Hot Spot, Quickmix, Searchlight, Silverbolt, Steeljaw --[[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 15:35, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Astrotrain, Bruticus, Rumble, Skywarp, Thundercracker --[[User:crown of starscream|crown of starscream]] 16:02, 23 Febuary 2012 (EST)
*Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Prowl, Ravage, Sky-Byte --[[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 15:36, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Blackarachnia, Paddles, Piano Transformer Guy, Scrounge, Silverbolt (BW)--[[Special:Contributions/184.56.30.163|184.56.30.163]] 15:40, 23 February 2012 (EST))
*Metroplex, Mudflap (movie), Predaking, Trypticon, Sunstorm (G1) {{unsigned|94.7.56.6}}
*Blitzwing (Animated), Ironfist, Straxus, Ultra Magnus, Wreck-Gar --[[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 16:02, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Jetstorm (BM), Lugnut (Animated), Megatron (BW/BM), Optimus Primal, Roadbuster.--[[Special:Contributions/96.237.141.219|96.237.141.219]] 16:31, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Cliffjumper, Fortress Maximus, Optimus Primal, Ultra Magnus--[[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 16:36, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Bulkhead, Cliffjumper, Jetfire, Prowl [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 16:37, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Laserbeak (DOTM), Megatron (BW), Ravage, Unicron. [[Special:Contributions/95.151.0.33|95.151.0.33]] 17:04, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Bulkhead, Fortress Maximus, Ginrai, Prowl, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ookalf|Ookalf]] 17:06, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Impactor, Ironfist, Overlord, Straxus, Tarantulas --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:25, 23 February 2012 (EST)
* Bulkhead, Lugnut, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Sunstorm --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:34, 23 February 2012 (EST)
* Blurr, Rattrap, Tarantulas, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Russellestate|Russellestate]] 19:02, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Blackarachnia, Inferno (BW), Rampage (BW), Sky-Byte, Swindle --[[Special:Contributions/72.187.230.66|72.187.230.66]] 19:08, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Megatron (BW), Nightbeat, Sentinel Prime (Animated), Sky-Byte, Thunderwing--[[Special:Contributions/74.110.211.53|74.110.211.53]] 19:24, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Laserbeak(G1), Optimus Primal, Predaking, Primus, Ultra Magnus (G1).If combiners count.If not then Warpath--[[User:Gamemaster|Gamemaster]] 7:53, 23 February 2012
*Rampage (BW), Rattrap, Scorponok (BW), Tarantualas (BW), Terrorsaur (BW) [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 19:57, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Cheetor (Beast Era), Ginrai, Megatron (Beast Era), Optimus Primal, Thunderwing --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:03, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Bluestreak, Chromia, First Aid, Prowl, Ravage--[[User:al_cielo|al_cielo]] 20:02, 23 February 2012
*Jetfire, Landmine, Sky lynx, Smokescreen, Swoop--[[User:Wwelord|Wwelord]] 20:08, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Botanica (both BW and Animated), Firestar, Moonracer, Perceptor (Animated), Slipstream (Animated). If Botanica doesn't count, put Chromia in her place. --[[User:Firestar_of_Kalis|Firestar_of_Kalis]] 15:22, 23 February 2012 (HST)
*[[Blackarachnia]], [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]], [[Sentinel Prime (DOTM)|Sentinel Prime]] -- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 20:42, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Wheeljack. ----[[Special:Contributions/71.17.207.182|71.17.207.182]] 20:59, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Skybyte --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:59, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*[[Barricade]], [[Bulkhead]], [[Hot Rod]], [[Megatron (BW)]], [[Rattrap]] --[[Special:Contributions/24.166.250.111|24.166.250.111]] 21:02, 23 February 2012 (EST)
* Arcee, Bulkhead, Optimus Primal, Ironhide, Sky-byte --(Dinobotairfeather)
*Jetfire, Megatron(BW), Rampage(BW), Sari Sumdac(She counts), Sentinel Prime [[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 21:52, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Bulkhead, Devastator, Silverbolt, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus (if Devastator doesn't count, then put me up for Jetfire/Skyfire) --[[Special:Contributions/68.147.45.66|68.147.45.66]] 22:19, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Cyclonus (G1), Galvatron (G1), Rampage (BW), Silverbolt (BW), Sky-Byte --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:34, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*[[Arcee]], [[Blackarachnia]], [[Firestar]], [[Moonracer]], [[Sunstreaker]] --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 22:35, 23 February 2012 (EST)
* Bombshell (G1), Cyclonus (G1), Demolishor (Armada), Scourge (RID), Swerve (G1) --[[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 23:17, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Brawn (G1), Megatron (BW), Ravage (SG), Sunstorm (G1), Ultra Magnus (G1) {{unsigned|74.37.238.167}}
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]], [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] --[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 00:47, 24 February 2012 (EST)


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2012-01-25T21:15:43Z

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File:Pax Cybertonia Alpha Trion.jpg

2012-01-09T13:39:10Z

G1MarvelBlaster:

[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] assures [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] that he still has a role in [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s future..

{{art|script=[[Mike Costa]]|art=[[Casey Coller]]|colors=[[Joana Lafuente]]|letters=[[Neil Uyetake]]}}

© [[2011]] [[Hasbro]], [[IDW Publishing]]

{{comicinterior|source=[[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' issue 31 "[[Pax Cybertronia (issue)|Pax Cybertronia]]"|owner=[[IDW Publishing]] & [[Hasbro]]}}

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File:Pax Cybertonia Autobot Youths.jpg

2012-01-09T13:38:43Z

G1MarvelBlaster:

Three [[Autobot]] youths, eager to hear the stories of [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]].

{{art|script=[[Mike Costa]]|art=[[Casey Coller]]|colors=[[Joana Lafuente]]|letters=[[Neil Uyetake]]}}

© [[2011]] [[Hasbro]], [[IDW Publishing]]

{{comicinterior|source=[[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' issue 31 "[[Pax Cybertronia (issue)|Pax Cybertronia]]"|owner=[[IDW Publishing]] & [[Hasbro]]}}

[[Category: Images by Casey Coller]]
[[Category: Images by Joana Lafuente]]
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Pax Cybertronia (issue)

2012-01-09T13:37:02Z

G1MarvelBlaster: Added a couple of pictures

{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' #31
|prev=Chaos Part Four: Genesis
|next=Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime
|caption=Ironhide is right, he ''is'' out there!
|image=Ongoing 31 Cover.jpg
|title="Pax Cybertronia"
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[December 7]], [[2011]]
|coverdate=December 2011
|story by=[[Mike Costa]]
|art by=[[Casey Coller]]
|colors by=[[Joana Lafuente]]
|letters by=[[Neil Uyetake]]
|associate editor=[[Carlos Guzman]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[IDW timeline|Far future]]
}}

'''In a new era of peace, Ironhide and Alpha Trion reflect on what has happened...'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Pax Cybertonia Autobot Youths.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Skip to the [[Simon Furman|good part]].]]On [[Gorlam Prime]], it is a time of peace, and [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] entertains a group of three young [[Autobot]]s with tales of times past. The four speak of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s [[Megatron Origin issue 4|insurrection]], the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]' [[Spotlight: Shockwave|attack]] on [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Escalation issue 5|defeat]] by Megatron. The stories are cut short when the fireworks for the upcoming [[Remembrance Night]] ceremony begins and Alpha suggests the youths go home. One youth expresses preference for Alpha's stories over the [[media-tron]]—his experiences are much more '''real'''. This comment prompts an arriving [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] to rebuff Alpha's supposed presence at events during the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. The young Autobots are in awe of the veteran and, after a question, leave for their homes to prepare for the ceremony.

At the ceremony, the speaker establishes that it has been fifteen million years since the end of the Unification War and the [[Great Years]]. He introduces the key speaker for the event, the last veteran at Gorlam, Ironhide. Ironhide makes his speech, noting that the prosperous time they live in is what the Autobots fought for all those years. He recalls the [[Stormbringer issue 4|fight]] against [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], Megatron's [[All Hail Megatron issue 1|invasion]] of [[Earth]], his own [[Any Old Iron|fight]] against the [[Insecticon swarm]], and Megatron's [[Chaos Part Four: Genesis|battle]] against the [[D-Void]]. Ironhide finishes his speech, expressing that his time has passed and leaves the hall.[[Image:Pax Cybertonia Alpha Trion.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Back in my day..]]

Outside, Alpha Trion finds Ironhide looking at the stars. Alpha asks the old [[Transformer]] if he believes Megatron is still out there and comforts him with the thought that Optimus Prime, too, is still out there. Ironhide doesn't understand why he is being honored—he did little else but punch [[Decepticon]]s. Now, he's just a relic of a bygone era who did nothing to build the current civilization. Alpha Trion tells him that the future is based on the past, and that Ironhide's contributions are vital to understanding what is to come. One of the three young Autobots comes up to the pair and asks Ironhide what would happen if Megatron returned. When Ironhide points out that they stopped him before and can stop him again, the young one asks him to tell him the story of Megatron's defeat.

==Featured characters==

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*[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] (4)
*[[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] (11)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (13)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (14)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (15)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (17)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (18)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (19)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (20)

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*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (5)
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (6)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (7)
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (8)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (9)
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (10)
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (12)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (16)
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] (21)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (22)
*[[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] (23)
*[[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] (24)
*[[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] (25)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (26)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (27)
*[[Insecticon swarm]] (28)

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==Quotes==

"If Prime were here, he'd know what to say. Over the years, I got to thinkin'. What Prime had... what made him great, it wasn't that he was so strong — even though he was — it was that he could ''talk''... and what he said, it made you feel as strong as he was. I really do wish Prime was here right now."
:—'''Ironhide''' addresses the audience

"What "everything"? I didn't build any of this. All these beautiful things, all these 'bots running around... I didn't have nothin' to do with that. It's been millions of years, Trion. Honor me nothin'. All I ever did was punch guys in the face." 
"I remember." 
"''These'' are the Great Years. ''All of this.'' How do they not ''see'' that?"
:—'''Ironhide''' and '''Alpha Trion''' take in the future

"The story never ends, Ironhide. It just changes into something else."
:—'''Alpha Trion''' has heard of reboots

==Notes==
*This was deliberately written as a potential "last issue" for the whole of ''The Transformers''; it was also a homage to [[Peter David]]'s last issue of ''[[Hulk|The Incredible Hulk]]'', where an older Rick Jones was interviewed about the Hulk, and a ''Starman'' issue where the immortal Shade was telling stories to children a million years in the future (with Alpha Trion always meant to be the Shade). <ref name="costa interview">[http://moonbase2.libsyn.com/webpage/the-underbase-reviews-ongoing-31 Moonbase 2 interview with Mike Costa ("Special Guest")]</ref>
*What has happened to Cybertron and why are they on Gorlam Prime? Mike Costa tells us this question is "very interesting, I guess you're going to have to keep reading the comic!"<ref name="costa interview"/>
*The young Autobots sport the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' Autobot [[insignia]].
*The future Autobots have multiple alternate modes; the idea Ironhide only has ''one'' is fascinating to them.
*Statues of [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]], and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] adorn the scenery of Gorlam Prime in this issue.
*Alpha Trion is deliberately drawn as younger than Ironhide, to show that Trion is constantly changing but Ironhide remains the same. Originally, it was going to be [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] as the last veteran, but it was then decided to use Ironhide, as he had an established history with Alpha Trion.<ref name="costa interview"/>
* This issue was released as part of IDW's Photo Cover Month, which also includes "[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime]]".
*The issue's title is from the [[Pax Cybertronia]] established in ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', a reference to "[[Wikipedia:Pax Romana|Pax Romana]]", a term for an era of peace and stability in the Roman Empire.

===Errors===
* On page 4, Megatron is seen with his Decepticon symbol neckchain. However, in ''Megatron Origin'', when he was about to give his deathblow to Sentinel Prime, he never wore this chain. Casey Coller admitted on his deviantArt page that he added it in to make the scene look cool.

===Covers (3)===
* '''Cover A:''' ''Revoltech'' Megatron toy; photo by [[Rik Alvarez]]
* '''Cover B:''' Close-up of Ironhide staring at the stars; art by [[Casey Coller]] and colors by [[Joana Lafuente]]
* '''Cover RI:''' ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' poster homage, with Optimus Prime, Rodimus, Bumblebee, Ironhide and Prowl replacing Ultra Magnus, Kup, Springer, Arcee and Blurr respectively; art by [[Trevor Hutchison]]

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2012-01-09T13:32:09Z

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[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] assures [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] that he still has a role in [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s future..

{{art|script=[[Mike Costa]]|art=[[Casey Coller]]|colors=[[Joana Lafuente]]|letters=[[Neil Uyetake]]}}

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|art by=[[Nick Roche]]
|colors by=[[Josh Burcham]]
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|editor=[[Carlos Guzman]]
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''' '''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:DoOP Optimus Metalhawk.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]A confused and disoriented [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] awakens on what seems to be [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], though the planet is now convulsing with primordial energies and is missing some of its characteristic features. He assumes he has somehow been transported into the distant past, but spotting the wreckage of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s [[Sweep]]s reveals that something even stranger is afoot. Prime soon discovers that [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] still exists, though it is now populated by Cybertronians whom he does not recognize and who mostly seem equally ignorant of himself. One of them, however, certainly recognizes Optimus and berates him for Cybertron's sorry state. The situation is defused when [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] arrive, intimidating the outspoken Transformer and introducing Optimus to the newly-adopted acronym "[[NAIL]]"—Non-Aligned Indigenous Lifeforms—designating the multitudes of Cybertronians who evacuated their planet in the early stages of the [[Great War (G1)|civil war]] rather than picking and fighting for a side. Optimus is then reunited with [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], who describe the relative ease with which they captured the disoriented, post-[[Deceptigod]] [[Decepticon]]s. They also express both their awe at the never-ending hordes of NAILs now returning to a pacified Cybertron and their tension at the situation, since they realize the NAILs perceive the Autobots to be nothing but symbols of the war they hate so much. That's certainly how [[Metalhawk]] feels—though the harshness of his contempt for the Autobots is certainly matched by Optimuss' own declarations that Metalhawk was a coward who abandoned his own race in its time of greatest need. Some of the Autobots recommend that Optimus demonstrate the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership]] in order to convince the NAILs of the justness of their cause, but this is clearly impossible as the Matrix is totally depleted.

Optimus visits the captive Decepticons, now imprisoned within the gun chamber of the crashed [[Kimia Facility]]. [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] tries to impress Optimus with his own record of Senatorial service, but Optimus tersely cuts him off by noting that, regardless of his pre-war history, he is now just as much a criminal as the rest of his faction.

[[Image:DoOP protestors effigy.jpg|thumb|right|200px]Prime's just hanging out with the populace]]Day by day, the standoff with the NAILs grows ever more tense; for all his own dislike of the Autobots, Metalhawk is forced to play peacemaker when other NAILs such as [[Zetca]] begin to openly rally for violence against them. [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and [[Rewind]] finish their examination of the empty halves of the Matrix shell, and determine that it is actually an ancient cosmic map that leads to... something. [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] immediately declares that it must be pointing out the location of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], whose awesome power could surely help unite all Cybertronians and restore stability to the planet. The fact that these Knights are widely believed to be mythical does not dissuade him, and nor does Optimus's insistence that the [[Circle of Light]] was nothing but an eccentric cult. Drift is adamant about the reality of the Knights, and the wisdom of [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]]'s guarantees of their power; gradually, he manages to convince some other Autobots of the need to undertake a quest for these Knights. [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] is outraged at the thought of leaving Cybertron in control of the NAILs, whom he considers to be lazy and opportunistic ingrates—though Metalhawk retorts that Prowl is only bitter because he had tried and failed to remain unaligned during the war. Suddenly, the crowd of NAILs outside attacks the Autobot base. Though disorganized, they can present a threat—emphasis on "can", as Prowl fixates on the potential of Autobot lives being at risk as being sufficient justification for releasing the captive Decepticons to beat back the crowds. Ratbat pleads with the other Decepticons not to obey Autobot orders and, instead, to attack their old enemies then and there. [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] countermands that order, pointing out that they would easily be destroyed by an alliance of Autobots and NAILs. With their transformation capabilities and heaviest weapons disabled, the Decepticons use sheer brute force to push back the NAILs, and thereafter are held in line by Prowl's warning that they have each been fitted with remote-controlled detonator chips.

[[Image:DoOP matrix bequeathed.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]In despair, Optimus Prime addresses the entire populace of Cybertron. Though he means only the best for all of them, he grudgingly admits that in a way he himself has become just another aspect of endless war, and that he is willing to leave Cybertron forever in the hopes that its society will be able to restructure itself peacefully without him. As Optimus prepares for his departure, Rodimus and Bumblebee continue to disagree over the wisdom of manning an expedition to seek out the Knights of Cybertron and, in the end, decide to split their forces, with some Autobots going on the quest and others remaining behind to try to rebuild. Optimus Prime's last act among his old cohorts is to leave the empty halves of the Matrix shell in their hands.

On his lonely flight away from Cybertron, destined for parts unknown, the former leader of the Autobots reflects on how, for the first time in eons, he is no longer responsible for anyone else's life or death. At last, he feels free. Optimus Prime is dead; Orion Pax has been reborn.

==Featured characters==
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*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (3)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (4)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] (5)
*[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] (6)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (7)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (8)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (10)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (21)
*[[Rewind]] (22)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (24)
*[[Drift (G1)|Drift]] (25)
*[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (30)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (31)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (32)

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*[[Sweep]]s (2)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (9)
*[[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] (12)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (13)
*[[Pounce]] or [[Wingspan]] (14)
*[[Horri-Bull]] (15)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (16)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (17)
*[[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] (18)
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (19)
*[[Needlenose]] (20)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]]? (26)
*Another Constructicon's foot (27)
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (28)
*[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] (29)

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*[[Metalhawk]] (11)
*[[Zetca]] (23)

}}

==Quotes==
"'''No!''' They're just '''using''' you! My Decepticons—we must '''rise''' against the '''Autobots!'''" 
"'''That's''' what you want? Attack and give the '''Autobots''' and these '''rioters''' something to unite against?" 
"You just don't '''understand''', Starscream." 
"Well, I understand why nobody's listened to '''Ratbat''' for four million years."
:—'''Ratbat''' doesn't get much respect from '''Starscream'''

"That '''mob''' outside? We owe them '''nothing!''' '''We're''' the ones who risked our lives against the Decepticons! Where was Metalhawk when Megatron invaded [[Vos]], or—or blew up the '''[[Grand Imperium]]?''' But now that the smoke's cleared, they think they can just '''turn up and reclaim the planet?!''' I don't know what's worse—their '''arrogance''' or their '''cowardice!'''
:—'''Prowl''' protests...too much

==Notes==
*This issue was originally advertised as "issue #125", but was instead sold as a standalone one-shot with a banner that simply identified it as a "celebration" of 125 issues. This count includes all of IDW's different Generation 1 universe series, mini-series and one-shots, with the exception of crossover projects ''[[Infestation (IDW)|Infestation]]'' and ''[[New Avengers/Transformers]]''.
* The generic NAIL who accosts Optimus Prime at the start of the issue, and who is seen again during the battle, is based on the famous British children's book character [[Wikipedia: Noddy (character)|Noddy]], sporting his conical blue "hat" topped in a bell, red torso, blue "shorts" and coloured cheeks. Moreover, his visible [[alternate mode]] components, including a chest grill and large red wheel wells on his shoulders, indicate that he transforms into [http://www.google.com/search?q=noddy%27s+car&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=uWrzTsfWNOOh4gTe9tGNCA&ved=0CGYQsAQ&biw=1320&bih=636 Noddy's car], itself one of the most well-known aspects of the character. He also shares the same character model (with the exception of his head) as [[Dipstick]].
* Sideswipe is now sporting a body based on the [[BotCon 2010]] [[Sideswipe (G1)#Timelines|"customizing class" toy]]: his [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' body]] in his ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)| Generation 2]]'' colors. He's also wearing the bandolier he wore in the ''Generation 2'' comics.
* A generic NAIL on page 16 has a striking resemblance to that of movie [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]. A mostly black body with a partially bronze face as well as red and blue siren lights. This generic is seen being held by Ironhide in a sort of Full Nelson. On the IDW boards, Josh Burcham confirmed that while the character wasn't specified to be Barricade in the script, he looked so much like him that he used Barricade's colors.
* This is the first fiction Zetca's ever gotten. Though, as a [[Masterforce Warrior]], he should technically be a human...
* Cyclonus protests that [[Infestation (IDW)|he shouldn't]] [[The Transformers: Heart of Darkness|be with the Decepticons]].
* Swindle [[Spotlight: Ultra Magnus|once]] [[New Arrivals, Old Encounters|again]] proposes to "make a deal". However, it doesn't fool Optimus Prime. Nice try, though.

===Covers (4)===
* '''Cover A:''' Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy; photo by [[Rik Alvarez]]
* '''Cover B:''' Homage to [[:Image:Transformers (UK) 150.jpg|Marvel UK #150]] cover; art by [[Nick Roche]] and colors by [[Josh Burcham]]
* '''Cover RI-A:''' Homage to "[[The Transformers (issue)|The Transformers]]" cover; art by [[Livio Ramondelli]]
* '''Cover RI-B:''' Montage of covers of the previous 124 issues

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''' '''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:DoOP Optimus Metalhawk.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]A confused and disoriented [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] awakens on what seems to be [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], though the planet is now convulsing with primordial energies and is missing some of its characteristic features. He assumes he has somehow been transported into the distant past, but spotting the wreckage of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s [[Sweep]]s reveals that something even stranger is afoot. Prime soon discovers that [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] still exists, though it is now populated by Cybertronians whom he does not recognize and who mostly seem equally ignorant of himself. One of them, however, certainly recognizes Optimus and berates him for Cybertron's sorry state. The situation is defused when [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] arrive, intimidating the outspoken Transformer and introducing Optimus to the newly-adopted acronym "[[NAIL]]"—Non-Aligned Indigenous Lifeforms—designating the multitudes of Cybertronians who evacuated their planet in the early stages of the [[Great War (G1)|civil war]] rather than picking and fighting for a side. Optimus is then reunited with [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], who describe the relative ease with which they captured the disoriented, post-[[Deceptigod]] [[Decepticon]]s. They also express both their awe at the never-ending hordes of NAILs now returning to a pacified Cybertron and their tension at the situation, since they realize the NAILs perceive the Autobots to be nothing but symbols of the war they hate so much. That's certainly how [[Metalhawk]] feels—though the harshness of his contempt for the Autobots is certainly matched by Optimuss' own declarations that Metalhawk was a coward who abandoned his own race in its time of greatest need. Some of the Autobots recommend that Optimus demonstrate the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership]] in order to convince the NAILs of the justness of their cause, but this is clearly impossible as the Matrix is totally depleted.

Optimus visits the captive Decepticons, now imprisoned within the gun chamber of the crashed [[Kimia Facility]]. [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] tries to impress Optimus with his own record of Senatorial service, but Optimus tersely cuts him off by noting that, regardless of his pre-war history, he is now just as much a criminal as the rest of his faction.

[[Image:DoOP protestors effigy.jpg|thumb|right|200px]Prime's just hanging out with the populace]]Day by day, the standoff with the NAILs grows ever more tense; for all his own dislike of the Autobots, Metalhawk is forced to play peacemaker when other NAILs such as [[Zetca]] begin to openly rally for violence against them. [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and [[Rewind]] finish their examination of the empty halves of the Matrix shell, and determine that it is actually an ancient cosmic map that leads to... something. [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] immediately declares that it must be pointing out the location of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], whose awesome power could surely help unite all Cybertronians and restore stability to the planet. The fact that these Knights are widely believed to be mythical does not dissuade him, and nor does Optimus's insistence that the [[Circle of Light]] was nothing but an eccentric cult. Drift is adamant about the reality of the Knights, and the wisdom of [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]]'s guarantees of their power; gradually, he manages to convince some other Autobots of the need to undertake a quest for these Knights. [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] is outraged at the thought of leaving Cybertron in control of the NAILs, whom he considers to be lazy and opportunistic ingrates—though Metalhawk retorts that Prowl is only bitter because he had tried and failed to remain unaligned during the war. Suddenly, the crowd of NAILs outside attacks the Autobot base. Though disorganized, they can present a threat—emphasis on "can", as Prowl fixates on the potential of Autobot lives being at risk as being sufficient justification for releasing the captive Decepticons to beat back the crowds. Ratbat pleads with the other Decepticons not to obey Autobot orders and, instead, to attack their old enemies then and there. [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] countermands that order, pointing out that they would easily be destroyed by an alliance of Autobots and NAILs. With their transformation capabilities and heaviest weapons disabled, the Decepticons use sheer brute force to push back the NAILs, and thereafter are held in line by Prowl's warning that they have each been fitted with remote-controlled detonator chips.

[[Image:DoOP matrix bequeathed.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]In despair, Optimus Prime addresses the entire populace of Cybertron. Though he means only the best for all of them, he grudgingly admits that in a way he himself has become just another aspect of endless war, and that he is willing to leave Cybertron forever in the hopes that its society will be able to restructure itself peacefully without him. As Optimus prepares for his departure, Rodimus and Bumblebee continue to disagree over the wisdom of manning an expedition to seek out the Knights of Cybertron and, in the end, decide to split their forces, with some Autobots going on the quest and others remaining behind to try to rebuild. Optimus Prime's last act among his old cohorts is to leave the empty halves of the Matrix shell in their hands.

On his lonely flight away from Cybertron, destined for parts unknown, the former leader of the Autobots reflects on how, for the first time in eons, he is no longer responsible for anyone else's life or death. At last, he feels free. Optimus Prime is dead; Orion Pax has been reborn.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (3)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (4)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] (5)
*[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] (6)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (7)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (8)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (10)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (21)
*[[Rewind]] (22)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (24)
*[[Drift (G1)|Drift]] (25)
*[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (30)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (31)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (32)

|c2=
*[[Sweep]]s (2)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (9)
*[[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] (12)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (13)
*[[Pounce]] or [[Wingspan]] (14)
*[[Horri-Bull]] (15)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (16)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (17)
*[[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] (18)
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (19)
*[[Needlenose]] (20)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]]? (26)
*Another Constructicon's foot (27)
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (28)
*[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] (29)

|h4=[[NAIL]]s|c4=
*[[Metalhawk]] (11)
*[[Zetca]] (23)

}}

==Quotes==
"'''No!''' They're just '''using''' you! My Decepticons—we must '''rise''' against the '''Autobots!'''" 
"'''That's''' what you want? Attack and give the '''Autobots''' and these '''rioters''' something to unite against?" 
"You just don't '''understand''', Starscream." 
"Well, I understand why nobody's listened to '''Ratbat''' for four million years."
:—'''Ratbat''' doesn't get much respect from '''Starscream'''

"That '''mob''' outside? We owe them '''nothing!''' '''We're''' the ones who risked our lives against the Decepticons! Where was Metalhawk when Megatron invaded [[Vos]], or—or blew up the '''[[Grand Imperium]]?''' But now that the smoke's cleared, they think they can just '''turn up and reclaim the planet?!''' I don't know what's worse—their '''arrogance''' or their '''cowardice!'''
:—'''Prowl''' protests...too much

==Notes==
*This issue was originally advertised as "issue #125", but was instead sold as a standalone one-shot with a banner that simply identified it as a "celebration" of 125 issues. This count includes all of IDW's different Generation 1 universe series, mini-series and one-shots, with the exception of crossover projects ''[[Infestation (IDW)|Infestation]]'' and ''[[New Avengers/Transformers]]''.
* The generic NAIL who accosts Optimus Prime at the start of the issue, and who is seen again during the battle, is based on the famous British children's book character [[Wikipedia: Noddy (character)|Noddy]], sporting his conical blue "hat" topped in a bell, red torso, blue "shorts" and coloured cheeks. Moreover, his visible [[alternate mode]] components, including a chest grill and large red wheel wells on his shoulders, indicate that he transforms into [http://www.google.com/search?q=noddy%27s+car&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=uWrzTsfWNOOh4gTe9tGNCA&ved=0CGYQsAQ&biw=1320&bih=636 Noddy's car], itself one of the most well-known aspects of the character. He also shares the same character model (with the exception of his head) as [[Dipstick]].
* Sideswipe is now sporting a body based on the [[BotCon 2010]] [[Sideswipe (G1)#Timelines|"customizing class" toy]]: his [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' body]] in his ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)| Generation 2]]'' colors. He's also wearing the bandolier he wore in the ''Generation 2'' comics.
* A generic NAIL on page 16 has a striking resemblance to that of movie [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]. A mostly black body with a partially bronze face as well as red and blue siren lights. This generic is seen being held by Ironhide in a sort of Full Nelson. On the IDW boards, Josh Burcham confirmed that while the character wasn't specified to be Barricade in the script, he looked so much like him that he used Barricade's colors.
* This is the first fiction Zetca's ever gotten. Though, as a [[Masterforce Warrior]], he should technically be a human...
* Cyclonus protests that [[Infestation (IDW)|he shouldn't]] [[The Transformers: Heart of Darkness|be with the Decepticons]].
* Swindle [[Spotlight: Ultra Magnus|once]] [[New Arrivals, Old Encounters|again]] proposes to "make a deal". However, it doesn't fool Optimus Prime. Nice try, though.

===Covers (4)===
* '''Cover A:''' Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy; photo by [[Rik Alvarez]]
* '''Cover B:''' Homage to [[:Image:Transformers (UK) 150.jpg|Marvel UK #150]] cover; art by [[Nick Roche]] and colors by [[Josh Burcham]]
* '''Cover RI-A:''' Homage to "[[The Transformers (issue)|The Transformers]]" cover; art by [[Livio Ramondelli]]
* '''Cover RI-B:''' Montage of covers of the previous 124 issues

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2012-01-05T22:01:17Z

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[[NAIL]]s protest the [[Autobot]]s, including an effigy of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Panel from [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime]]. {{art|script=[[James Roberts]] & [[John Barber]]|art=[[Nick Roche]]|colors=[[Josh Burcham]]|letters=[[Shawn Lee]]}} © [[2011]] [[Hasbro]], [[IDW Publishing]] {{comicinterior|source="[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime]]"|owner=[[IDW Publishing]]}} [[Category: Images by Nick Roche]] [[Category: Images by Josh Burcham]] [[Category: Images by Shawn Lee]]

File:DoOP Optimus Metalhawk.jpg

2012-01-05T21:52:53Z

G1MarvelBlaster: Metalhawk confronts Optimus Prime (G1)|. Panel from IDW Publishing's ''Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime. {{art|script=James Roberts & John Barber|art=Nick Roche|colors=Josh Burcham|letters=Shawn Lee}} © [[2011

[[Metalhawk]] confronts [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Panel from [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime]].
{{art|script=[[James Roberts]] & [[John Barber]]|art=[[Nick Roche]]|colors=[[Josh Burcham]]|letters=[[Shawn Lee]]}}

© [[2011]] [[Hasbro]], [[IDW Publishing]]

{{comicinterior|source="[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime]]"|owner=[[IDW Publishing]]}}

[[Category: Images by Nick Roche]]
[[Category: Images by Josh Burcham]]
[[Category: Images by Shawn Lee]]

Busty Beauties

2011-11-04T16:40:54Z

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:Busty Beauties'' is a magazine from the [[Movie (franchise)|Movie]] [[continuity family]].''

'''''Busty Beauties''''' is a magazine of unknown content, but whatever is contained within its hallowed pages is presumably both beautiful and busty.

==Fiction==
===''Transformers'' film===
[[Charles (Movie)|Charles]] had gifted [[Sam Witwicky]] a stack of ''Busty Beauties''.

This came to light when Sam was chasing down the "guy" stealing [[Bumblebee (Movie)|his car]] and saw it transform. As part of a cell phone confession, Sam initially claimed that these fine examples of gentlemen's literature belonged to [[Miles Lancaster|Miles]], before admitting that these highbrow periodicals were in fact his, given to him by his uncle Charles. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

[[Category:Earth culture]]
[[Category:Magazines]]
[[Category:Movie]]

Busty Beauties

2011-11-04T04:16:11Z

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:''Busty Beauties is a magazine from the [[Movie (franchise)|Movie]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Busty Beauties''' is a magazine of unknown content, but whatever is contained within its hallowed pages is presumably both beautiful and busty.

==Fiction==
===''Transformers'' film===
[[Charles (Movie)|Charles]] had gifted [[Sam Witwicky]] a stack of these delightful publications.

This came to light when Sam was chasing down the "guy" stealing [[Bumblebee (Movie)|his car]] and saw it transform. As part of a cell phone confession, Sam initially claimed that these fine examples of gentleman's literature belonged to [[Miles Lancaster|Miles]], before admitting that these highbrow periodicals were in fact Sam's.{{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

[[Category:Earth culture]]

Jetfire (disambiguation)

2011-11-03T14:29:13Z

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The name '''Jetfire''' has been applied to several ''Transformers'' characters.

*'''1985''' — [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] the (American-accented) [[Decepticon]] turned [[Autobot]] superjet from [[Generation 1]], who has also been known as "Skyfire".

*'''2003''' — [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] the (sometimes [[Australia|Nebulonian-accented]]) Autobot second-in-command from the [[Unicron Trilogy]].

*'''2008''' — [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]] the (accentless) Autobot jet from the [[Movie (franchise)|2007 movie franchise]].

*'''2008''' — [[Jetfire (SG)|Jetfire]], the purple Autobot jet from [[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]].

*'''2009''' — [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] the (Russian-accented) Autobot Cybertronic jet and twin brother to [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] from ''[[Transformers Animated|Animated]]''.

*'''2009''' — [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] the geriatric (Yorkshire-accented) Decepticon turned Autobot Blackbird jet from ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''.

*'''2010''' — [[Jetfire (WFC)|Jetfire]] the virtuous (ambiguously-accented) Autobot scientist from ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)| War for Cybertron]]''.

Jetfire should only ''sometimes'' be confused with

*[[Skyfire (disambiguation)|Skyfire]]

However, he should ''not'' be confused with

*[[Jetstorm (disambiguation)|Jetstorm]]

*[[Skyblast (disambiguation)|Skyblast]]

*[[Storm Jet (RID)|Storm Jet]], a guy colored like [[:Image:Jetfireg1toy.jpg|him]]

*[[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]], a good guy who dresses like [[Starscream (G1)|his]] [[:Image:Jetfiretitaniumwarwithin.jpg|buddy]].

*[[R-Blade]], a big Jetfire fanboy who cosplays as Jetfire.

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Atari, Inc.

2011-10-05T02:17:19Z

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{{disambig2|the publisher of the Armada-based Transformers PS2 game|the Kiss-Play character|Atari Hitotonari}}
'''Atari, Inc''' is a video game publisher and developer originally founded in 1972 that through a complicated path of mergers and acquisitions (including at one point [[Hasbro]] Interactive) is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the [[France|French]] Atari, SA corporation (formerly Infogrames.)

Their relevance to this wiki is that they were the publishers for [[Melbourne House]]'s [[Transformers (PS2)|Transformers]] videogame based upon the [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]].
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Shaun

2011-09-06T05:08:23Z

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{{disambig2|the boy from ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]''|other people with similar names|Shawn (disambiguation)}}

:''Shaun is a [[human]] boy from the [[Armada (franchise)|Armada]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Sean_Armada_Vacation.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Wheeee!]]

'''Shaun''' is a young boy who likes to have fun. He can't be counted on to keep a secret.

==Fiction==
===''Armada'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Danny McKinnon]] (English), [[Masako Inui]] (Japanese)

[[Rad White|Rad]], [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]], [[Billy (Armada)|Billy]], and [[Fred (Armada)|Fred]] met Shaun while taking a vacation. They swam in the lake while swinging on cables provided by [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]]. Shaun promised not to tell anyone about the robots. A sudden storm came up which caused a mudslide, trapping Carlos and Shaun inside Red Alert under a pile of mud. They were rescued by the Autobots. Shaun told his father about the robots, but they had already left. {{storylink|Vacation}}

==Notes==
*The spelling of Shaun's name is uncertain.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Shaun''' (ショーン ''Shōn'')

[[Category: Armada humans]]
[[Category: Cartoon-only characters]]

File:Sean Armada Vacation.jpg

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{{Armadacap|[[Shaun]] hanging with the [[Autobot]]s on vacation.|Vacation|3}}

Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)

2011-07-06T18:58:18Z

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'''''Transformers: Dark of the Moon''''' is the third film in the [[live-action film series]]. It was released in 3D and IMAX at 9PM on [[June 28]], [[2011]]<ref name="open3D">[http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/files/1ef99019addbf7f207595f5da129bfb6-690.php See Dark Of The Moon One Day Earlier on IMAX 3D | MichaelBay]</ref> and in wide release on [[June 29]], [[2011]]<ref name="open">[http://www.deadline.com/2011/05/paramount-moving-up-transformers-3/ Paramount Moving Up ‘T’formers 3′ Release – Deadline.com]</ref> in the United States, and between [[June 29]] and July 1 for other markets.

The film is set three years after the events of ''Revenge of the Fallen.'' The Autobots continue to work for NEST, but no longer in secret, and for the goal of keeping peace between humans by taking out volatile overseas political targets. But after discovering a strange artifact during a mission in Chernobyl, it becomes apparent to Optimus Prime that the United States government has been less than forthright with them.

And SCENE!

{{bigquote|We will kill them all.|<s>Michael Bay</s> Optimus Prime|Transformers: Dark of the Moon}}

{{TOCclear}}

==Synopsis==

==Quotes==
"The Decepticons have my trailer. I ''need'' that flight tech!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''', [[To sell toys|selling toys]]

"In any war, there are calms between the storms. There will be days when we lose faith. Days when our allies turn against us... but the day will never come when we forsake this planet and its people. For I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to the universe: We are here. We are home."
:—'''Optimus Prime''', talking to himself.

==Main cast==

{{featuredcharacters|
h1=[[Autobot]]s|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] ([[Jess Harnell]])
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] ([[Robert Foxworth]])
*[[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] ([[James Remar]])
*[[Mirage (Movie)|Dino/Mirage]]<ref name="credits">Mirage and Wheeljack, known by those names in the toyline and essentially all supporting media, are respectively named "Dino" and "Que" in the film. While Dino is simply credited as such, Que is listed in the credits as "Que/Wheeljack".</ref> ([[Francesco Quinn]])
*[[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] ([[Leonard Nimoy]])
*[[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que/Wheeljack]]<ref name="credits"/> ([[George Coe]])
*[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] ([[Tom Kenny]])
*[[Brains]] ([[Reno Wilson]])
*[[Topspin (DOTM)|Topspin]]
*[[Roadbuster (DOTM)|Roadbuster]]<ref>Roadbuster is listed as "Roadbuster/Amp" in the credits, a reference to his car mode's sponsor. His name is not used in the film, but he is called "Roadbuster" in the toyline and supporting media.</ref> ([[Ron Bottitta]])
*[[Leadfoot (DOTM)|Leadfoot]]<ref>Leadfoot is listed in the film's end credits as "Leadfoot/Target", a reference to his car mode's sponsor. His name is not spoken in the film, but he is called "Leadfoot" in the toyline and the supporting media.</ref> ([[John DiMaggio]])
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]]<ref name=skidsandmudflap>Skids and Mudflap only appear during the convoy scene at the beginning of the film</ref>
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]<ref name=skidsandmudflap/>

|h2=[[Decepticon]]s|c2=
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] ([[Hugo Weaving]])
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] ([[Charlie Adler]])
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] ([[Frank Welker]])
*[[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] ([[Keith Szarabajka]])
*[[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] ([[Frank Welker]])
*[[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]]
*[[Crowbar]]
*[[Hatchet]]
*[[Driller]]
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]
*[[Igor (DOTM)|Igor]] ([[Greg Berg]])
*[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]] type Decepticon
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] type Decepticon
*An unnamed [[M1 Abrams Decepticon]]
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] type Decepticon
*Unnamed [[Lensmeter Decepticon]]s
*Unnamed [[protoform]]s
*[[Superfund Decepticon]]

|h3=[[Human]]s|c3=
*[[Sam Witwicky]] ([[Shia LaBeouf]])
*[[Carly Brooks-Spencer]] ([[Rosie Huntington-Whiteley]])
*[[William Lennox]] ([[Josh Duhamel]])
*[[Robert Epps]] ([[Tyrese Gibson]])
*[[Seymour Simmons]] ([[John Turturro]])
*[[Charlotte Mearing]] ([[Frances McDormand]])
*[[Dylan Gould]] ([[Patrick Dempsey]])
*[[Bruce Brazos]] ([[John Malkovich]])
*[[Hardcore Eddie]] ([[Lester Speight]])
*[[Morshower]] ([[Glenn Morshower]])
*[[Dutch (DOTM)|Dutch]] ([[Alan Tudyk]])
*[[Ron Witwicky]] ([[Kevin Dunn]])
*[[Judy Witwicky]] ([[Julie White]])
*[[Jerry Wang]] ([[Ken Jeong]])
*[[Neil Armstrong]] ([[Don Jeanes]])
*[[Buzz Aldrin]] ([[Cory Tucker]])/(himself)
*[[Bill O'Reilly]] (himself)

|h4=Other|c4=
|nonumbering=true
}}

==Errors==
* The Moon does not rotate with respect to Earth, and Mare Tranquillitatis is near the middle of the near side. Therefore, Tranquility Base could never be described as being on the far side/dark side, and Earth is never as close to the horizon as shown in the movie.
* When the modern day site of the Apollo 11 landing is seen, the ascent module (the cabin Buzz and Neil flew back to orbit in) is still there.
* Sam is supposedly living in Washington, DC, but skyscrapers appear in background shots outside his loft. That city has no skyscrapers.
* Also, Washington, DC almost entirely lacks old industrial buildings that could be converted into lofts.
* In the Highway Scene, Bumblebee enhances his front wheels to evade Hatchet, yet in the next scene he's fully in Stealth Force.
* When the Autobots are boarding the ''Xantium,'' it's said that nine of them are leaving. Wheelie and Brains apparently don't count. Poor little guys!

==Transformers references==

* The ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' gets its name from the Autobots' crashed spaceship in the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''Transformers'' comics]].

* "Carly" was the name of [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]'s [[Carly|girlfriend and eventual wife]] in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]].

* When the worker at Accureta systems is trying to make the [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|photocopier]] work, it plays a tune like the original cartoon's [[theme song]].

* Megatron removing [[Abraham Lincoln]] from his chair at the [[Lincoln Memorial]] and then sitting in it is a scene taken directly from the Generation 1 cartoon episode, "[[Atlantis, Arise!]]", and the Decepticon ending for [[Transformers: The Game]] (sort of).

* The idea of bringing Cybertron to Earth via space bridge and enslaving humans was the plot of the well-regarded Generation 1 multi-part episode "[[The Ultimate Doom]]."

* Likewise, the idea of an influential and powerful human joining forces with the Decepticons, resulting in the Autobots being exiled from Earth by the government via a spacecraft, only for that spacecraft to be destroyed, was the plot behind another popular Generation 1 cartoon multi-part episode, "[[Megatron's Master Plan]]."

* The ''[[Xantium (G1)|Xantium]]'' is the name of the [[Wrecker]]s' spaceship in the [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''Transformers'' comics.

==Real-world references==
* When Brains and Wheelie are watching ''[[Wikipedia: Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek: The Original Series]]'', the screen features [[Wikipedia:Spock|Mr. Spock]], portrayed by Leonard Nimoy {{m-}} who voices Sentinel Prime. They comment that it is "the one where Spock goes nuts," which foreshadows Sentinel's heel turn.

* Sentinel Prime says "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." The voice actor said the same line in the 1982 film ''[[Wikipedia:Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan|Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan]]'' as Mr. Spock. However in that movie, Nimoy's character dies a hero.

* To finish the Spock trifecta, when Bumblebee says his goodbyes to Sam, he uses a clip of Leonard Nimoy, as Spock, saying "I will always be your friend.", another line from ''Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan''.

*[[Dutch (DOTM)|Dutch]] and his fake girlfriend's name, "India", are a reference to [[Wikipedia:Dutch India|Dutch India]].

*[[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que]]'s name may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Q (James Bond)|Q]] from ''[[Wikipedia:James Bond|James Bond]]'' novels and films. Que also gives weapons to NEST soldiers while explaining the advantages and abilities for the weapons much like Q does for James Bond.

* Part of the scene of the car-chase battle in Washington DC is "[[Stock footage|borrowed]]" from the 2005 film ''[[Wikipedia:The Island (2005 film)|The Island]]'', another film by Michael Bay.<ref>[http://www.nationalturk.com/en/has-michael-bay-used-old-clips-for-transformers-3-12737 Michael Bay : Used old clips for Transformers 3 ?]</ref><ref>[http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Michael-Bay-Borrows-The-Island-Footage-for-Transformers-3/9147 Michael Bay Borrows The Island Footage for Transformers 3 | TheHDRoom]</ref> Bay admitted, stating it was nothing wrong for the energy saving and carbon reduction.<ref>[http://www.nownews.com/2011/07/04/11490-2725129.htm#ixzz1R8XViUkj Recycling Old Footage for ''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' Gets Busted by Internet Users Michael Bay: I Did It For the Energy Saving and Carbon Reduction. at NOWNEWS (Traditional Chinese)]</ref>

==Other editions==

==Prequel material==

==Adaptations==

==Soundtrack==
{{main|Dark of the Moon: The Album}}

==Score==
{{main|Dark of the Moon: The Score}}

==Home video releases==

==Theatrical posters==
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</center>

==Reception==
On June 23, 2011, the world premiere of ''Dark of the Moon'' was held in [[Moscow]], [[Russia]], with band [[Linkin Park]] performing a concert that included their title song for the movie, "Iridescent".

The official release date was movie up from July 1 to June 29 to allow breathing room between its release and ''[[Wikipedia:Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2|Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2]]''. On June 28, 2011, the film was released in 3D and IMAX at 9pm in the US. Some theaters cheated a little and showed it at 8:45.

==Production staff==
===Visual effects===
===Locations department===

==Development details==
===Cast and crew signing on===
[[Image:TF3-licensingPrime.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Featuring a surprise appearance by Optimus Prime!]]
On May 30, 2007, a month before the official release of ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'', [[DreamWorks]] announced that two sequels were already being planned.<ref name="spy">[http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a58430/two-transformers-sequels-in-pipeline.html Digital Spy article from May 2007, confirming that two sequels were being planned]</ref> On March 16, 2009, over three months before the premiere of ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', [[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]] announced the third movie for July 1, 2011.<ref name="3release">Pamela McClintock: [http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118001280?refCatId=13 Variety article from March 2009], confirming Transformers 3 for July 2011.</ref> Director [[Michael Bay]] promptly backpedaled, as he had intended for the third ''Transformers'' movie to be released in 2012.<ref name="baywait">[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?3947-Wait-a-minute! Michael Bay's reaction to Paramount's July 2011 date for ''Transformers 3''], March 2009.</ref> He officially changed his mind in October 2009, agreeing to the release date set by Paramount.<ref name="bay3-2011">[http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/files/a2bd79bb4c222b807e27707aaf1497e6-570.php Michael Bay officially confirms the 2011 release date], October 2009.</ref>

[[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]], two of the previous two movies' screenwriters, had already announced in March 2009 that they would not return for a third part.<ref name="noorcikurtz">[http://www.slashfilm.com/orci-and-kurtzman-not-returning-for-transformers-3-will-leonard-nimoy-voice-the-fallen/ Slashfilm quoting Roberto Orci that he and Kurtzman would not return for a third movie], March 2009. (Original post on Don Murphy's message board appears to no longer exist.)</ref> In September 2009, their ''Revenge'' co-writer [[Ehren Kruger]] was confirmed as the screenwriter of ''Transformers 3''.<ref name="krugernelson">[http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/files/0fd64fd57c9b9b6d33e15c76a46dae48-565.php Michael Bay's website admin Nelson Lauren sorta-confirms Ehren Kruger as TF3's screenwriter], September 2009.</ref> Kruger had already impressed both director Michael Bay and [[Hasbro]] CEO [[Brian Goldner]] with his knowledge of ''Transformers'' mythology prior to working on ''Revenge''.<ref name="writersr">[http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/zap-transformers2writers,0,1938976.story Zap2it story about the ROTF writers]</ref>

In an interview with ''Wonderland'' magazine in September 2009, [[Megan Fox]], the main female star of the previous two movies, discussed the harsh conditions on the sets and compared director Michael Bay to [[Wikipedia:Adolf Hitler|Adolf Hitler]].<ref name="latimesfox">[http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/the_big_picture/2009/09/megan-fox-on-michael-bay-he-wants-to-be-hitler.html Los Angeles Times article about Megan Fox's fatal interview with ''Wonderland'' magazine], September 2009.</ref> Bay initially played down the affair and still welcomed Fox back for the third installment a month later.<ref name="bay3-2011"/> Even though Fox was still spotted on the ''Transformers 3'' set in May 2010<ref name="foxonset">[http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/100786-megan-fox-on-set-for-transformers-3-previz Megan Fox on the DOTM set], May 2010.</ref>, Paramount announced a few weeks later that she wouldn't return for a third movie after all.<ref name="nomorefox">[http://www.deadline.com/2010/05/michael-bays-revenge-no-more-megan/ Deadline article confirming that Megan Fox had been dropped off ''Transformers 3''], May 2010.</ref> Still that same month, [[Rosie Huntington-Whiteley]] was confirmed as her replacement.<ref name="rosierepl">[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1640047/model-rosie-huntingtonwhiteley-cast-transformers-3.jhtml MTV.com article confirming Rosie Huntington-Whiteley as the new female star of ''Transformers ''], May 2010.</ref> Her character's name was confirmed as "[[Carly Brooks-Spencer|Carly]]" by Nelson Lauren, the webmaster of Michael Bay's official website, in July 2010.<ref name="nelsonchicagojul">[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?7566-Transformers-3-Chicago-Set-Photos Nelson posts about his visit to the Chicago set at shootfortheedit.com's forums], July 2010.</ref> In 2011, Michael Bay finally confirmed in an interview with ''GQ'' magazine that it had been [[Steven Spielberg]], executive producer of the ''Transformers'' movies, who had urged him to fire Fox following the Hitler comparison.<ref name="baygq">[http://www.gq.com/entertainment/movies-and-tv/201107/michael-bay-steven-spielberg-fired-megan-fox-transformers GQ interview with Michael Bay], June 2011.</ref>

In March 2010, Oscar winners [[John Malkovich]] and [[Frances McDormand]] as well as Comedian [[Ken Jeong]] were confirmed having signed on for supporting roles.<ref name="malkomcdor">[http://michaelbay.com/blog/files/73978045c5496d5271c90be6884209a8-598.php Michael Bay confirming John Malkovich, Frances McDormand and Ken Jeong for ''Transformers 3''], March 2010.</ref>

In April 2010, [[Kevin Dunn]] and [[Julie White]] were confirmed as returning as Sam Witwicky's parents.<ref name="varietydunnwhite">[http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118017329.html?categoryid=1236&cs=1 'Dunn, White sign on for 'Transformers 3''], Variety, April 2010.</ref>

In May 2010, Paramount confirmed that [[Patrick Dempsey]] has been cast in ''Transformers 3'' to play Mikaela Banes' boss (this was before Megan Fox was fired from the production).<ref name="dempsey">[http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/05/04/patrick-dempsey-confirmed-for-transformers-3/ "Patrick Dempsey confirmed for Transformers 3"], Hollywood Insider, May 2010.</ref>

In July 2010, Nelson Lauren confirmed that former American footballer [[Lester Speight]] would play a soldier in the movie.<ref name="nelsonchicagophotos">[http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/files/6e7f5a008e98162953abdfdfca1d32e8-612.php Photos of the Chicago set by michaelbay.com webmaster Nelson Lauren], July 2010.</ref>

[[Leonard Nimoy]] was confirmed as the voice actor for [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] in March 2011.<ref name="nimoysent">[http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/03/31/leonard-nimoy-transformers-dark-of-the-moon Entertainment Weekly announces Leonard Nimoy's involvement], March 2011]</ref> Nimoy, who had previously voiced [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] in 1986's ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' and is married to Michael Bay's cousin Susan, had previously been under consideration for [[The Fallen]]'s voice in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', but Bay had been hesitant for fear of offending his relative with the relatively low pay allotted to voice actors.<ref name="nimoy1">[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/04/21/michael-bay-afraid-to-offend-leonard-nimoy-with-transformers-family-reunion-offer/ ''Michael Bay Afraid To Offend Leonard Nimoy With ‘Transformers’ Family Reunion Offer''], MTV.com Movies blog, April 2009.</ref> Even though Nimoy openly asked Bay to simply give him a call<ref name="nimoy2">[http://www.latinoreview.com/news/leonard-nimoy-to-michael-bay-call-me-6682 Leonard Nimoy To Michael Bay: "Call Me!"], Latino Review, April 2009.</ref>, it ultimately never worked out, and The Fallen was voiced by [[Tony Todd]] instead. For ''Dark of the Moon'', Bay finally overcame his anxiety and hired Nimoy, who accepted the offer.<ref name="nimoy3">[http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/03/31/leonard-nimoy-transformers-dark-of-the-moon/ "Leonard Nimoy joins 'Transformers: Dark of the Moon' voice cast -- EXCLUSIVE"], Entertainment Weekly, March 2011.</ref> In return, screenwriter Ehren Kruger included several nods to Nimoy's well-known character as Mr. Spock from ''Star Trek'' in the movie.<ref name="nimoystartrek">[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1666643/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-star-trek-references.jhtml "'Transformers: Dark Of The Moon': Behind The 'Star Trek' Nods"], MTV.com, July 2011.</ref>

===Writing and production===
After having defended the almost universally critically panned ''Revenge of the Fallen'' for a long time, Michael Bay finally acknowledged flaws of the script, but blamed the [[Wikipedia:2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike|2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike]] prior to the movie for many problems. As a definite error, he singled out the "dork comedy", which he promised to avoid with ''Dark of the Moon''.<ref name="bayvisit">[http://collider.com/michael-bay-interview-transformers-dark-moon-edit-bay-visit/63824/ Collider.com article about DOTM], December 2010.</ref>

Principal shooting began in May 2010. Shooting locations were [[Chicago]], Moscow,<ref name="locations">[http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=63682 "Transformers 3 Headed to Chicago and Moscow"], Comingsoon.net, February 2010.</ref> the [[Kennedy Space Center]] in Florida<ref name="kennedyspace">[http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/101114-the-transformers-3-shoot-at-kennedy-space-center "The Transformers 3 Shoot at Kennedy Space Center"], SuperHeroHype.com, May 2010.</ref>, Milwaukee (Wisconsin)<ref name="milwaukee">[http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/movies/98266574.html "'Transformers 3' takes over Milwaukee Art Museum"], Journal Sentinel Online, July 2010.</ref>, Detroit<ref name="detroit">[http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/107775-photos-from-the-detroit-transformers-3-set "Photos From the Detroit Transformers 3 Set"], SuperHeroHype.com, September 2010.</ref>, [[Washington, D.C.]]<ref name="militaryextras">[http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=473674758199&id=114648515718 US Department of Defense casting call for ''Dark of the Moon'', October 2010.</ref> and Angkor Wat in Cambodia.<ref name="angkor">[http://www.akp.gov.kh/?p=1184 "'Transformers 3' To Be Shot in Cambodia"], Agence Kampuchea Presse, January 2011.</ref>

For the scene where Lennox and his soldier jump out of a V-22 Osprey using wingsuits, Michael Bay used real parachutists and thus avoided unnecessary CG effects. In fact, he had been inspired for this scene in the first place by watching the parachutists in their wingsuits on television<ref name="wingsuits">[http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/1498-transformers-wingsuits-no-cgi-required Yahoo! Movies article on the wingsuit parachutists], June 2011.</ref> and wrote the scene with the intention of using the parachutists in the movie.<ref name="bayvisit"/>

For the Apollo 11 moon landing mission in the flashback sequence at the beginning of the movie, astronauts [[Neil Armstrong]] and [[Buzz Aldrin]] are played by actors Don Jeanes and Cory Tucker, respectively. In the present day timeline, Aldrin himself appears briefly as his own older self.<ref name="aldrin">[http://movies.yahoo.com/news/yahoo-contributor-network/astronaut-buzz-aldrin-hangs-out-with-optimus-prime-transformers-dark-moon Yahoo! Movies article on Buzz Aldrin's appearance in DOTM], July 2011.</ref>

Two accidents happened during shooting: In September 2010, while shooting in East Chicago, Indiana, a female extra was severely injured when a stunt scene went wrong, leaving her with permanent brain damage, the left side of her body paralyzed and her left eye stitched shut. Paramount was subsequently sued for damages by the victim's family.<ref name="extrastunt">[http://articlles.chicagotribune.com/2010-10-05/news/ct-met-transformers-lawsuit-20101005_1_gabriela-cedillo-stunt-welding Chicago tibune article on the injured extra and the subsequent lawsuit], October 2010.</ref> While shooting in Washington, D.C., in October 2010, one of the Chevrolet Camaro prop cars that serve as Bumblebee's [[alternate mode]] crashed into a police car. Nobody was seriously injured this time.<ref name="camarocrash">[http://jalopnik.com/5661321/bumblebee-smashes-cop-car-in-yet-another-transformers-3-accident Jalopnik article on the Camaro crash], October 2010.</ref>

''Dark of the Moon'' is the first of the ''Transformers'' movies to be released in 3D. Despite early considerations to shoot the movie in 2D and convert it into 3D later, Michael Bay ultimately shot 60% of the film in native 3D, another 15% were done digitally, and the rest was shot in 2D and converted later. [[James Cameron]] assisted Michael Bay with the 3D effects. The movie's budget amounted to $195 million, which is about the same budget ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had. About $30 million went into the 3D effects.<ref name="cameron">[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-bay-reveals-james-camerons-191774 "Michael Bay Reveals James Cameron's Secret Role in the Making of 'Transformers'"], The Hollywood Reporter, May 2011.</ref>

=== Sponsors and partners ===
==== Hasbro ====
Hasbro, licensor of the [[Transformers brand]], hoped that the third movie would once again boost toy sales, after profits had dropped in the first quarter of 2011.<ref name="hasbroq12011">[http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Hasbro-1Q-profit-drops-71-pct-apf-664090076.html?x=0&.v=11 Yahoo! Finance article about weak Hasbro toy sales in 2011's first quarter], April 2011.</ref>

==== US military ====
Like the previous two movies, ''Dark of the Moon'' featured real military personnel as extras, supported by the US Department of Defense.<ref name="militaryextras"/> Shooting locations were Hurlburt Field and Edwards Air Force Base.<ref name="hurlburt">[http://www.shadowspear.com/special-operations-entertainment/105725-transformers-filmed-at-hurlburt.html "'Transformers 3 Filmed at Hurlburt, 1SOW Included as 'Extras'"], ShadowSpear Special Operations, July 2011.</ref>

==== General Motors and other car manufacturers ====
[[General Motors]] once again provided several vehicles. All recurring Autobots retain their [[alternate mode]]s from ''Revenge of the Fallen'' despite some minor tweaks, such as Sideswipe now being a convertible, and Bumblebee now sporting a rear spoiler. Once again, the cooperation was mutual, with General Motors using Bumblebee for TV commercials. The first of those, aired during the 2011 Super Bowl, also revealed some minor tweaks to Bumblebee's robot mode.<ref name="bumblebeead1">[http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/02/-bumblebee-appears-in-a-chevrolet-camaro-super-bowl-ad/1 "'Bumblebee' appears in Chevrolet's Super Bowl ad"], USA Today, February 2011.</ref><ref name="bumblebeead2">[http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/06/chevy-drops-new-ad-touting-transformers-3-tie-in/ "Video: Chevy drops new ad touting Transformers 3 tie-in"], Autoblog.com, June 2011.</ref> According to Chevrolet, the ''Transformers'' movies notably affect car sales, as about ten percent of all Camaros sold in the preceding year were yellow, twice as many as with other models.<ref name="carstarscast">[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/transformers-dark-moon-how-sequels-204557 "'Transformers: Dark of the Moon': How the Sequel's Star Cars Were Cast"], The Hollywood Reporter, June 2011.</ref>

New additions for ''Dark of the Moon'' are a Ferrari 458 Italia ([[Mirage (Movie)|Dino]]) and a Mercedes-Benz E550 ([[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que]]). Both robots sport names in the movie which aren't recycled from existing Hasbro toys. In the Ferrari's case, the reason for this is that Hasbro's greatest competitor, Mattel, has an exclusive license for Ferrari toys.<ref name="ferrarimattel">[http://www.ferrari.com/English/Pages/Mattel.aspx Mattel license information], Ferrari.com.</ref><ref name="nelsonnomirage">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/409844-mirage-no-longer-name-red-italia-dotm-3.html#post6103423 Michael Bay's website Admin explaining why the Ferrari isn't named "Mirage"], TFW2005, May 2011.</ref> "Dino" is named in reference to [[Wikipedia: Alfredo Ferrari|Alfredo "Dino" Ferrari]], as per Ferrari's request. The Mercedes-Benz E550, meanwhile, was specifically customized for the movie.<ref name="e550tuning">[http://www.eurotuner.com/news/eurp_1102_mercedes_benz_e550_for_next_transformers_movie/index.html "Mercedes-Benz E550 for Next Transformers Movie - Web Exclusive"], Eurotuner.com, February 2011.</ref> "Que" is named in homage to [[Wikipedia:Q (James Bond)|Q]] from [[Wikipedia:James Bond|James Bond]].

Since the heavily armed Chevrolet Impalas that serve as the [[Wrecker|Wreckers']] alternate modes are directly based on existing NASCAR race cars, the prop versions of [[Roadbuster (DOTM)|Roadbuster]], [[Leadfoot (DOTM)|Leadfoot]], and [[Topspin (DOTM)|Topspin]] made an appearance at [[2011]] Daytona 500 at Daytona International Speedway on [[February 20]], four month before the movie's release, appearing both off the track as display cars, and on the track, participating in the ceremonial first lap.<ref name="daytona">[http://www.hendrickmotorsports.com/news/photos/2011/02/18/TRANSFORMERS-cars-on-display-at-Daytona "'TRANSFORMERS' cars on display at Daytona"], Hendrick Motorsports, February 2011.</ref> Director [[Michael Bay]], actor [[Josh Duhamel]] and actress [[Rosie Huntington-Whiteley]] also attended the event, and during the television broadcast of the race, a new ''Dark of the Moon'' television spot was aired.

=== Changes before, during and after production ===
* In an interview with the Los Angeles Times in June 2009, Michael Bay suggested that [[Ramon Rodriguez]] would reprise his role as [[Leo Spitz]] from ''Revenge of the Fallen'' for the third movie.<ref name="bayramon">[http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2009/06/30/ramon-rodriguez-will-have-bigger-role-in-third-transformers-movie-bay-hints/ "Ramon Rodriguez will have bigger role in third ‘Transformers’ movie, Bay hints"], Los Angeles Times, June 2009.</ref>

* As stated above, [[Megan Fox]] was originally intended to reprise her role as [[Mikaela Banes]] from the previous two movies. She was still spotted on the ''Dark of the Moon'' set during the previsualization stage in May 2010<ref name="foxonset"/>, but was fired from the production shortly afterwards due to a falling out with director [[Michael Bay]]. [[Rosie Huntington-Whiteley]]'s character of [[Carly Brooks-Spencer|Carly Spencer]] was written in as a replacement, though the fact that her part was originally written for Mikaela still shows in some parts: For example, Carly is overseeing [[Dylan Gould|Dylan's]] car collection, which could be viewed as an extension of Mikaela's history with working with cars. Furthermore, Sam and Carly not only have [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] (who had been previously "domesticated" by Mikaela) as a "pet", but also her dog [[Bonecrusher (dog)|Bonecrusher]] (played by Michael Bay's eponymous real-life dog).

*In January 2010, James Avery claimed in an interview that he would be playing a new Autobot named Silverbolt.<ref name="avery">[http://unscripted.ca/episodes/show/136 James Avery interview on Unscripted], January 2010</ref> In June 2010, representatives of James Avery, responding to a bizarre rumor that he had passed away, confirmed that the actor was indeed alive and would be playing Silverbolt in ''Transformers 3''.<ref>[http://www.examiner.com/entertainment-in-national/uncle-phil-james-avery-isn-t-dead-after-all James Avery isn't dead after all], The Examiner, June 2010.</ref> Despite this, neither Avery nor Silverbolt ultimately appear in ''Dark of the Moon''.

* In an earlier draft of the movie's script, Megatron is serious when he offers Optimus Prime a truce at the end. Optimus accepts, and Megatron and the remaining Decepticons leave Earth to rebuild Cybertron. This ending is used for the [[Dark of the Moon (novel)|novelization]] and the [[Dark of the Moon (comic series)|comic adaptation]].

* [[The Twins]], [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]], were originally supposed to return for ''Dark of the Moon''. Even though [[General Motors]] provided two Chevrolet Sparks to serve as their alternate modes<ref name="chevyspark">[http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-spark-transformers-3.html Left Lane News article on two Chevrolet Sparks spotted on the DOTM set], May 2010.</ref> which were still spotted on the set as late as October 2010<ref name="dcparking">[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2010/10/transformers-3-dc-parking-lot-gallery.html "Transformers 3 DC Parking Lot Gallery"], Transformers Live Action Movie Blog, October 2010.</ref>, the two were mostly edited out of the final movie (their vehicle modes can barely be glimpsed in a brief shot). Michael Bay even went so far as to offer a $25,000 reward for anyone who would see the Twins "perform" in the movie.<ref name="reward">[http://collider.com/transformers-3-twins-skids-mudflap-michael-bay/91104/ Collider.com article on Michael Bay's "reward" for spotting Skids and Mudflap "perform" in DOTM], May 2011.</ref> In the novelization and the comic adaptation, Skids and Mudflap still appear.

* Early working names included "[[Ultra Magnus (disambiguation)|Ultra Magnus]]" for [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]<ref name="chicagocall">[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2011/06/chicgo-call-sheet-for-ultra-magnus.html "Chicago Call Sheet For Ultra Magnus"], Transformers Live Action Movie Blog, June 2011.</ref>, "Enzo" (after [[Wikipedia:Enzo Ferrari|Enzo Ferrari]])<ref name="callsheet2">[http://tilallaremine.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/dark-of-the-moon-call-sheets/ Dark of the Moon Call Sheets!] at Til All Are Mine blog, July 2011.</ref> and "Rush" for [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage/"Dino"]], "[[Warpath (disambiguation)|Warpath]]" for both [[Roadbuster (DOTM)|Roadbuster]] and [[Topspin (DOTM)|Topspin]], "Tempest" for Topspin, "[[Flash (disambiguation)|Flash]]" for [[Leadfoot (DOTM)|Leadfoot]], "[[Dreadwind (disambiguation)|Dreadwind]]" for [[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]], "[[Hooligan]]" for [[Crowbar]], "[[Dirtbag]]" for [[Hatchet]], "[[Blitzwing (disambiguation)|Blitzwing]]" for [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]], "[[Breakdown (disambiguation)|Breakdown]]" for [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave's]] new vehicular design and "Colossus" for the [[Driller]].<ref name="nizzi">[http://www.joshnizzi.com/TF3.htm Josh Nizzi DOTM concepts.]</ref>

* Roadbuster was originally intended to have [[Wikipedia:Jeff Gordon|Jeff Gordon's]] #24 [[Wikipedia:DuPont|DuPont]]-sponsored Chevrolet Impala as his alternate mode, rather than [[Wikipedia:Dale_Earnhardt,_Jr.|Dale Earnhardt, Jr.'s]] #88 Impala sponsored by [[Wikipedia:Amp Energy|Amp Energy]].<ref name="nizzi"/>

* The Wreckers were originally intended to have a robot pet dog, whose working names also included "Warpath".<ref name="nizzi"/> Hasbro's official Transformers website identifies the dog as "[[Steeljaw (DOTM)|Steeljaw]]".<ref name="vectorsigma">[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/cybertronian-database.cfm Vector Sigma Database] Hasbro.com.</ref>

* In an interview with MTV.com, actors [[Shia LaBeouf]] and [[John Malkovich]] hinted at at some smaller scenes that were cut from the final edit of the movie. In addition to some add-libbing by the actors, one scene would have featured Malkovich's character, [[Bruce Brazos]], attempting to get Carly's phone number.<ref name="deletedmtv">[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1666772/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-dvd-deleted-scenes.jhtml MTV.com on deleted scenes], July 2011.</ref>

=== Leaks and disinformation===
The movie's title, then "Transformers: ''The'' Dark of the Moon", was first discovered on October 6, 2010 via listings for childrens' books on [http://www.amazon.com/ Amazon.com]. The title was further confirmed by a whois check for "www.transformersdarkofthemoonmovie.com".<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-3-title-revealed-170697/ Transformers 3 Title Revealed?] @ TFW2005.com</ref> On October 31, the official website for all three movies, [http://www.transformersmovie.com/ transformersmovie.com], was updated to show the ''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' logo as well as international release dates.

[[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] was heavily touted as the new main villain, no doubt in an attempt to conceal [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime's]] unexpected betrayal halfway through the movie. A piece of information that commonly popped up in official plot "summaries" was the claim that Shockwave was the ruler of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] while the other Autobots and Decepticons were duking it out on Earth.<ref name="pushpops">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-3-plot-summary-revealed-170756/ "Transformers 3 Plot Summary Revealed"], TFW2005, October 2010.</ref> The last bit could be written off as a case of [[Wikipedia:Chinese whispers|chinese whisper]]: Shockwave got announced as the villain for ''Dark of the Moon'', mainstream media (such as USA Today<ref name="usatodayswitch">[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2010-06-11-Transformers11_ST_N.htm "Next 'Transformers' is due for a switch"], USA Today, June 2010.</ref>) who aren't versed in Transformers lore looked up the character, found out about his ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' [[Shockwave (G1)|namesake's]] role in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]], included it as a piece of trivia to show they did their research, and then the trivia note got picked up as gospel by other media. Nevertheless, it was included in the ''official plot summary'' by Paramount's German branch (which also claimed that ''Shockwave'' was the robot discovered inside the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' as seen in the trailer).<ref name="germansite">[http://www.transformers3-film.de/ Official German DOTM site including faulty plot summary.</ref>

Michael Bay and other official parties tried ''really'' hard to hide the twist fact that the silver Mercedes SLS AMG given to [[Carly Brooks-Spencer|Carly]] by [[Dylan Gould|Dylan]] would turn out to be the new [[alternate mode]] of [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]. After the Mercedes had been spotted on the set, with [[Rosie Huntington-Whiteley]] exiting it<ref name="mercedesset">[http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=67518 DOTM Set Photos], ComingSoon.net, July 2010.</ref>, the first hint that it was more than meets the eye came with the trailer for the [[Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)|video game]], which showed Soundwave's robot mode with car [[kibble]] such as wheels that heavily resembled those of the Mercedes. In addition, [[Rising Storm issue 3|issue 3]] of ''[[Rising Storm]]'' depicted Soundwave's robot mode not only with car kibble, but with a Mercedes star on his chest. Despite this, director Michael Bay insisted that the Mercedes was simply Carly's car, claiming that "Mercedes would never let us make their car into a bad Decepticon. Car company's {{sic}} really frown on that. I can't say what the game company and comics do that's their own thing. They don't have the same constraints movies do. It's Carly's car."<ref name="baynomerc">[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?8724-Update-Is-Soundwave-the-silver-Mercedes-on-set-of-DOTM&p=169598&viewfull=1#post169598 Michael Bay's response to the fan theory that Soundwave is the Silver Mercedes.], April 2011.</ref> On April 19, 2011, an event for promoting the ''Spider-Man: Edge of Time'' and ''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' video games was held in London. As part of this, [[High Moon Studios]] released promotional stills from the ''Dark of the Moon'' game, one of which depicted Soundwave's new robot mode, again with Mercedes parts. However, a news embargo was enforced on the attending press, which was broken by South African video game site [http://egamer.co.za egamer].<ref name="egamera">[http://egamer.co.za/2011/05/exclusive-hands-on-transformers-dark-of-the-moon/ egamer's preview of the ''Dark of the Moon'' video game]</ref> The site was soon asked to take down the article and images, as were various ''Transformers'' fan sites that had reported on the article and mirrored the images. On May 2, 2011, Hasbro's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/ official Transformers website] was given a massive overhaul, including the addition of the new [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/cybertronian-database.cfm Vector Sigma database]. The entry for Soundwave initially identified his alternate mode as a Mercedes SLS AMG, but was soon changed to "satellite". On May 3, 2011, the embargo for the video game article and promotional stills was finally lifted, allowing sites to freely show the image of Soundwave's new robot mode.

On May 5, 2011, several weeks before the trade paperback collection's official release, preview pages from [[IDW Publishing|IDW's]] [[Dark of the Moon (comic series)|''Dark of the Moon'' comic adaptation]] were discovered on [http://www.amazon.com/ Amazon.com]. Through some bizarre system error, ''several dozen pages'' were made available, which included the major plot twist of Sentinel Prime showing his true colors and killing [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]. Unsurprisingly, this discovery was quickly posted on several major Transformers [[fandom|fan sites]], often without a spoiler warning.

==Notes==
* A 126-page script for the movie was leaked in December 2009<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/content/view/6435/20/ The Allspark: Transformers News Movie Comics Animated - Script Treatment for Transformers 3? Bogus or Not, Here You Go!]</ref>, causing much discussion among the fandom. It was later confirmed as fake.<ref>[http://shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6532 Script]</ref>
* When word hit that [[Megan Fox]] was off the picture, [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIuqiepu4UY Heidi Montag] put an "audition" for her part on YouTube. [http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/114ce28ddd/sir-ben-kingsley-shows-up-heidi-montag Sir Ben Kingsley] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4FZeucBO0c Ashton Kutcher] made fun of her, because life is rad.


===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''''Transformers/Dark Side Moon''''' (トランスフォーマー/ダークサイド・ムーン ''Toransufōmā/Dāku Saido Mūn'')
*''Finnish:'' '''''Transformers: Kuun pimeä puoli''''' ("Transformers: The Dark Side of the Moon")
*''French:'' '''''Transformers 3: La Face cachée de la Lune''''' ("Transformers 3: The Hidden Side of the Moon")
*''German:'' '''''Transformers 3'''''
*''Polish:'' '''''Transformers 3'''''
*''Portuguese:'' '''''Transformers: O Lado Oculto da Lua''''' ("Transformers: The Hidden Side of the Moon")
*''Russian:'' '''''Transformery 3: Tjomnaja storona Luny''''' (Трансформеры 3: Тёмная сторона Луны, "Transformers 3: The Dark Side of the Moon")
*''Serbian:'' '''''Transformers 3: Tama Meseca''''' ("Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon")
*''Spanish:'' '''''Transformers: El Lado Oscuro de la Luna''''' (America, "Transformers: The Dark Side of the Moon")
*''Swedish:'' '''''Transformers 3'''''

==Footnotes==
{{reflist|2}}

==External links==
*[http://www.transformersmovie.com/ Official ''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' website]
*[http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/paramount/transformersdarkofthemoon/ Trailers.Apple.com ''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' page]
* Designer portfolios: [http://www.joshnizzi.com/TF3.htm Josh Nizzi], [http://www.warrenmanser.com/WarrenManser.com/PORTFOLIO_M/Pages/TRANSFORMERS_3.html Warren Manser], [http://www.joelchang.com/index.php?/projects/transformers-dark-of-the-moon/ Joel Chang], [http://conceptartworld.com/?p=8293 The Aaron Sims Company] (at Concept Art World)

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Talk:Noble (BM)

2011-06-13T06:24:15Z

G1MarvelBlaster:

Says "one of the few"... Are there really ANY other purely organic TFs? I mean even the mutants are still robots who are just locked out of their "robot" mode. Am I forgetting some other weird abberation?

Also, I assume this page is intended to cover only the Post-megatron's spark version of the character, since anything prior to that would just go on Megs page, right? Just wondering what to focus on in writing a little more character (rather than physical) description into that opening paragraph.

--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:One could probably put forth an argument that the Animorphs (and Visser Three) are purely organic Transformers. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 21:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
::What about Botanica? --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 00:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

::: No. The Animorphs aren't Transformers "in fiction" which is what this is refering to, and Botanica was just a regular Maximal robot when she reched Cybertron and just a regular technorganic like the rest of them after she was reformated. Any other contestants or should I go ahead and change it? - [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 00:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Silverbolt being a condor doesn't have anything to do with Beast Changer. He's a condor because that's what he scanned when Blackarachnia reformatted him. His old wolf-and-eagle body didn't enter into it.

(Okay, he scanned a prehistoric alien condor. Which I believe had bat wings.) -[[User:LV|LV]] 06:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Weren't there a couple of others released along with Savage/Noble that were just animals that turned into other animals?

:You're thinking of the BW [[Mutant (BW)|Mutants]]. The toys did not have robot modes BUT they were not entirely organic either. They were still robots and robot parts inside, like regular BW characters, they had just been locked out of accessing their robot modes by Megatron's virus.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Both [[Savage]] and [[Noble]] should redirect here I think. Anyone know how to arrange that?
:Done, thank you for suggesting it. Moving forward, please sign your talk page edits by typing four tildes (~) in a row. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC) (Like I just forgot to do.)

==Further Disambiguation?==
Hmm, given that both "Savage" and "Noble" technically refer to ''two'' different characters (with, granted, the same body), possibly we should have a disambig page that points to [[Megatron (BW)]] and "Savage/Noble (sparkless)" (or similar)? Or am I overthinking things, and what we have is sufficient? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

:I doubt anybody would look for the Megatron article by typing Savage/Noble into the search box, so I would say a disambig page is unnecessary. The article itself is good enough. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

==Unique Symbol==
From the page ''The toy's spark crystal has its own unique symbol, a merger of the Beast Machines Maximal and Vehicon logos.''

Could someone who has the toy post a picture of this symbol, so I can take a crack at making a faction icon for our poor, maligned Beast Changer? --[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 02:24, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

User:G1MarvelBlaster

2011-06-13T06:15:30Z

G1MarvelBlaster: /* Generation 1 cartoon continuity */

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{{disambig2|the TFWiki contributor|the red [[Autobot]] badass|Blaster (G1)}}
:''G1MarvelBlaster is a [[human]] in the [[Main Page|Transformers Wiki]] [[continuity family]]''

[[Image:BlasterUS17.jpg||right|thumb|What did you expect?]]
'''G1MarvelBlaster''' has enjoyed the many varied iterations of the ''[[Transformers brand]]'' since near the beginning. He lived in the [[United Kingdom]] from 1981-[[2003]] before moving to the [[United States of America]]. He's always been much more about the fiction of Transformers than the toys, though he had a few growing up, and now has a 6-year-old son as a convenient excuse to buy more toys.

He really wants toys for [[Impactor]] and [[Spanner (G1)|Spanner]].

He also really sucks at writing captions, so if you do add or change a caption G1MarvelBlaster is responsible for, he won't put the <nowiki> {{captionbastard}} template </nowiki> on your user talk page. Others might though.

:Favourite G1 Autobot (comics): [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]
:Favourite G1 Autobot (cartoon): [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]]
:Favourite G1 Decepticon (comics): [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
:Favourite G1 Decepticon (cartoon): [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]

=Fiction=
==Generation 1==
Aaah, the era that began it all, and still G1MarvelBlaster's most favourite Transformers [[Continuity family]].
[[Image:MarvelUK-079.jpg|thumb|left|150px|[[Ruined FOREVER|The beginning]]]]
===Marvel Comics continuity===
Being a young Transformers [[Fandom|fan]] in the UK, his first exposure to the fiction of The Transformers was the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|Marvel UK]] comic series, specifically part one of the now-legendary time travel epic that was [[Target: 2006]]. With such an auspicious jumping on point, his favourite characters initially were [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] who were such awesome badasses (especially Magnus) that young G1MarvelBlaster was hooked.

Now as an older Transfan, and someone who has the entire UK run by various means and reprints, he has come to appreciate the differences between the US & UK lines and is phenomenally impressed by the job [[Simon Furman]] did writing around the various US issues. G1MarvelBlaster's favourite story does come from the US run, and is the double header of [[The Smelting Pool!]] and [[The Bridge to Nowhere!]]. So awesome was [[Bob Budiansky]]'s characterization of Blaster that the red radio dude has become, unshakably my favourite G1 [[Autobot]], and indeed my favourite character across all the Transformers factions and franchises.
====Another Time and Place====
In his [[personal canon]] this is the last [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel]] Transformers story and a fitting coda. The various fan club comics and [[Generation 2 (Marvel Comics)|Generation 2]] never happened. It's not that they're bad fiction, it's just they don't fit with the mood of the Marvel series to him.
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
[[Image:Transformersanimatedfilmposter.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Prime DOES die.]]
Like most British Transfans, G1MarvelBlaster has a dim memory of the ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'', mostly the end credit [[stock footage]] of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] transforming and rolling out. He was much more familiar with the far-flung future of [[2006]] as depicted by [[The Transformers: The Movie]], which G1MarvelBlaster watched so much he wore out at least 2 VHS copies. This does mean that his main memories of cartoon Optimus are him transforming into a truck, and also transforming into a grey corpse.

More recently, he has watched all 4 seasons of the original G1 cartoon on DVD, and was surprisingly impressed with how well it stands up. Sure, it's mostly a goofy error-riddled mess, but compared to cartoons of a similar vintage (especially Masters of the Universe) the animation quality is really pretty decent. The characters are very distinctly drawn, though very different from the characterizations he's used to as a comics-first guy. His two favorite G1 characters from the comics, Blaster & Shockwave are basically nothing alike. Shockwave went from a extremely tough, scheming, albeit logical, wannabe Decepticon leader/Decepticon leader/betrayer of Megatron to Megatron's loyal assistant who sat on his duff for 4 million years not noticing resistance.

In general, he's surprised with how much more cohesive season 3 feels. The focus on a smaller group of core characters is a template that's been copied by later shows. He's also more impressed with [[The Rebirth]] than he expected to be, given its status as a hastily cut down post-script season that introduces a whole mess of new characters. The miniseries manages to introduce the characters well enough that they don't all blend in to one, the concepts of [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]s & [[Targetmaster]]s are introduced in a way that mostly makes sense of the way the toys gimmicks could work in fiction (though G1MarvelBlaster's not a fan of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] being basically an armored suit for [[Zarak (Nebulan)|Zarak]] as opposed to a Decepticon with personality.)

He would have liked to see how the cartoon would have handled the concepts of [[Powermaster]]s, [[Action Master]]s and especially [[Pretender]]s though...

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
Almost all of the non-Western canon is completely [[alien]] to G1MarvelBlaster. The exception is the [[Omni Productions]] dub of [[Four Warriors Come out of the Sky]] which he had to turn off after roughly five minutes because the voice acting was just so ''terrible''.

Oh, a second exception is [[The Great Cassette Operation]], which G1MarvelBlaster watched subbed on YouTube, once again in the process of editing Blaster's article on this very wiki.

===IDW Comics continuity===
===Beast Wars cartoon===
===Beast Machines cartoon===

==Robots in Disguise==
==Unicron Trilogy==
===Armada cartoon===
==Live-action film continuity==
==Transformers Animated continuity==
==Prime continuity==
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The [[Beast Wars Telemocha Series]] [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] toy.
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A comparison of [[Triggerhappy]]'s two heads. On the left is his [[character model]] with [[mouthplate|face plate]] and regular eyes. On the right, his [[package art]] with an actual face and [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] style "shades."
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Is there any way Big Grim doesn't end up winning this? --[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 16:29, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

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==Didn't we have a Transformers Appearances/References in Other Media page?==
I could have sworn we did, mentioning stuff like Family guy etc. If we don't have such a page, would it be allowed to be created? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 11:53, 18 December 2010 (EST)
:Unless it's officially sanctioned by Hasbro, no, we do not mention Transformer appearances in other media. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:54, 18 December 2010 (EST)
:: If it ever existed, it would have been destroyed with fire in about 30 seconds. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::: Of course, if we did have such a page, we could use it as a lighting rod, keep anons from adding something to Soundwave's page every time Seth Green says the word "transformers." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:28, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::::Of course, NO. Discussion over. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:45, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::::Discussion not quite over. If the unofficial nature of the topic is the reason why it is not allowed, then there are several articles that already exist that are pushing boundaries on the wiki. I would have thought that the biggest problem would be it's size.[[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 09:26, 20 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Yeah, that'd be the other big reason. There's so many such references it would be impossible to keep track of them all. It would also involve making sure what's added there is actually a TF reference. And given all the Toms, Dicks and Harrys that'll come out of the woodwork to add such stuff, that's going to be more trouble than not having a page. Best not to get a larger headache for the sake of reducing a smaller one. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 12:44, 20 December 2010 (EST)

=="Knockoff warning" for toy sections?==
Just something that occurred to me... as I skimmed this page http://www.highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 and looked at alllllll the "could be mistaken for real and paid stupid money for" knockoffs... is there any objection to some form of link to this in the relevant toy sections? Sadly, the page lacks a "jump to" feature of any kind, but alerting people to the potential danger of dropping several hundred on what they think is a genuine Defensor box set... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:50, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:I think it skirts the line with our "we don't really discuss knockoffs" policy, but on the other hand, yeah, it's a useful bit of information, almost to the point where we could stand to have a special page about ''these specific knockoffs''. I am not opposed to adding a link to that site, no, as long as it's got a massive and specific caveat attached to it (maybe even with a special template box thing ("A Prime Problem"-themed perhaps?)). Hell, maybe the highendtfs people would be willing to throw up navigation in exchange for the inevitable deluge of hits - anyone got contact info for the owner? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:11, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::It's worth noting that there are some very well-done Henkei seekers knockoffs now, too. The really expensive ones even, like Thundercracker. Their sections could use warnings as well. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:56, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::Are they in knockoff PACKAGING that is meant to look like the real thing? That's the really tricky part. G1 MIB shit is much, much more expensive. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:27, 19 December 2010 (EST)
::::Yes, they are: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/buyer-beware-update-on-ko-henkei-seekers/20380/ -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:03, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::I am not sure I want to attach more template boxes to pages as is. Especially over something like knockoffs. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:55, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::I'd ''thought'' about a template, but... ehn. I think a simple link under the TFU.info (or whatever), perhaps with a bolded "'''Knockoff alert'''" text. Like...

::::*''[http://www.highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 '''Knockoff alert''': More information on packaged imitations of this toy at HighendTFs.com]''

:::Thoughts? This would ONLY cover stuff that is in packaging meant to deceive you by looking as real as they can get it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:05, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::::I could agree with that. This is a step beyond your standard knock off crap, some notice might be appropriate.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:44, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::::I think it is a good idea to have it, since it is useful. This is different from putting info of some KO or unlicensed products on the page. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:49, 19 December 2010 (EST)

== Extension:Oversight ==

Quite a few times I've seen admins delete and undelete pages to clean out bad revisions. Why they do this I have no idea, since we have [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight the Oversight extension] installed.

Perhaps we should look into granting some people "oversighter" access? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:09, 25 December 2010 (EST)
:I've just noticed that deleting and then restoring pages in the manner mentioned above has the side effect of resetting a page's page views stats, so that's another point in favour of the Oversight extension. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:40, 11 January 2011 (EST)

== Wikipedia, revisited ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#The_.22Campaign_of_Deletion.22_against_the_Transformers_Wiki_Project_by_NotARealWord_and_TFWiki.net]

Just in case anyone's interested. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 10:54, 5 January 2011 (EST) (-Blackout-, can't be bothered to log back in)
:NEWSFLASH: Nobody cares. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:21, 5 January 2011 (EST)

== Captcha to prevent spambots? ==

Is there any way we could implement captcha to account creation to prevent the spambot problem we're having now? I've seen other wikis use that measure. Maybe also disable new page creation by anons? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:56, 6 January 2011 (EST)
:We already have CAPTCHA implemented on the account creation service. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 13:09, 6 January 2011 (EST) (-Blackout-, can't be bothered to log in)
::Never mind, then! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:30, 6 January 2011 (EST)

== Real world events by day Category ==

These of course comprise every date of the year. However, I notice recently people have been adding fictional events to these dates. That basically invalidates the Category, since it's no longer comprised of only real-world events. The fictional events should be moved out into another section, or the category name should be changed to "Events by day". Thoughts? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 22:01, 9 January 2011 (EST)
:I agree with changing to "Events by day". I would also support having separate fictional and real world sections on the pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:38, 9 January 2011 (EST)

== Project Wonderful ads ==

Um, guys, I found there [http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/uploads/pics/53018-1293943633.gif Non-official products] in the ads of CapturedPrey. I know the small ads are showing up randomly (and may not be controllable since we can't regulate them), but I think it is still need to be reported here. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:04, 16 January 2011 (EST)
: I don't mind them in the non-permanent ads. TFSource used them all the time in their ads before we made them permanent sponsors. It was only when we made them a permanent sponsor did we ask to make them free of third-party product. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:57, 16 January 2011 (EST)

== Games <strike>fiction</strike> ==

Okay, now that [[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] has flooded the character pages with stubs for 30 years worth of crappy Transformers games, can we reconsider how the Games sections are treated? I really don't think in-universe fiction descriptions are the way to handle it. [[War for Cybertron]] may've had a plot, but the majority of TF games are more in the vein of "hit things until they stop coming". A fiction section makes even less sense for games where the character selection is variable. ''"[[Hardhead (G1)#Transformers:_The_Headmasters|Hardhead]] may (or may not) have been present at this battle. Or this one. Or this..."'' Ditto for generic drone soldiers. Isn't there a way to address the games without trying to craft a sensical fiction for them? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 08:46, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:I agree. The games should appear as merchandise on all relevant characters pages, but there is no need for a fiction write up for most games on those same pages. A generic write up on the game page should suffice. Something like "An Autobot warrior participated in a battle...", with a character box listing all potential "Autobot warriors" (aka playable characters). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:21, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::Moving games to merchandise sounds awful. It would result in amazing amounts of lost information. I have no idea what doing that would solve. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:44, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::I think it depends on the game - for example in the ROTF console game, while you CAN play as multiple characters, the game provides a suggested one for you. IMO, that's who "actually" did the stuff depicted in the game (and the opposing side's campaign generally suggests it as well). When you can just pick from a half-dozen dudes and it doesn't matter, then maybe a brief summary of the game's plot and a note. "Jerkwagon was one of many Autobots involved in blah blah plot synopsis bluh. NOTE: Such-and-such game allowed players to choose multiple protagonists, including Jerkwagon." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:19, 25 January 2011 (EST)
I agree that Games should be their own section -- there's certainly enough of them, and they should be treated differently than keychains and what-not. But I think an out-of-universe description of the games would be better in most cases. Instead of having to write vague text like ''"As Ultra Magnus searched for the truth behind Optimus Prime's death, he battled Trypticon in a game of death and suffering."'', which is about all the plot I could wrangle out of [[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Convoy no Nazo]] and tells you virtually nothing, we could write something more informative, like ''"Trypticon is the boss of Stage 10."'', and describe what actually happens in the game instead of trying to make it sound like believable fiction. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 11:29, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:::My personal view on the matter is, from a character's page, I should be able to find EVERY place that character has appeared. And when we do list guys having an appearance when they're most likely an animation error in the far-background of an episode, I don't think there's any excuse to NOT list an appearance of a character wherever he might appear, including board and video games. Is that a lot of work? Yeah. But beneath all the jokes that make this place so great, this is still an encyclopedia, and purposely leaving out information out of an encyclopedia is wrong. Though I think Hooper X has the right idea... I doesn't have to be the most super-extensive write up. Heck, I was even going to suggest just having a link saying "See Return of Convoy article" or something like that. Also: I apologize if I had started getting very sloppy last night, but looking back, it was like 5 in the morning by the time I finished up. Yikes. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:10, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::I totally agree that the games should be dealt with on the character pages. I'm just looking for an option other than a completely in-fiction description. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 15:14, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::: The first idea that comes to mind is having a subsection called "Gameplay" or something like that for each game write-up, something that would be similar to a note? Though really, my main solution for stuff like that has been, up to this point, to just stick a couple of notes in the game write-up, like on [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s page. I'll keep on trying to think up other solutions though... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 15:26, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::Storylinks already serve as that, so what's the point of another link? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:47, 25 January 2011 (EST)

== Fiction order guide? ==

I've been over the Style guides a few times trying to find if a page like this already exists, but it doesn't look like it. I'll be the first to admit that when adding in new fiction/game subsections to a character's article, I sometimes confuse and probably put them out of order. So I've been wondering if a page that lists every fictional work and game in the proper order of each other would be a good idea? On one hand, it seems like an ABSURD amount of work for a style guide, one that would have to be CONSTANTLY updated as new things come out. On the other hand, it would be very handy to have a list to reference for character pages. Especially because it can get VERY frustrating trying to hunt down which book/cartoon/whatever came first in the same year. For those who don't understand what I'm talking about, here's an example I quickly put together, using the [[Cheetor (BW)]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] pages as reference.

When listing a character's media appearances, use this sorting order:
*Fiction
**Generation 1 Marvel Comics continuity
**Generation 1 S.T.A.R.S. pack-in flyers
**Generation 1 cartoon continuity
**Generation 1 Kid Stuff Talking Story Books
**Generation 1 Big Looker Story Books
**Generation 1 Ladybird Books continuity
**''Transformers in 3-D''
**''Transformers PD Type'' comic
**''Comic Bom Bom G-2'' comic
**Beast Wars First wave toy bios
**Beast Wars Cartoon continuity
***Dawn of Future's Past
***''Beast Wars'' cartoon
***Fast Action Battlers toyline
***3H ''Tales from the Beast Wars'' comics
***IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics
***''Transformers Legends'' anthology
***''Beast Machines'' cartoon
***''Beast Machines'' toy bio
***''Universe'' comic
***''Beast Wars Metals'' comic
***Beast Wars ''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in comic
**Generation 1 Dreamwave comics continuity
**''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''
**''Transformers/G.I. Joe''
**Generation 1 IDW comics continuity
**''Hearts of Steel''
**''Music Label''
**''Henkei! Henkei!'' (pack-in comic)
**''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bun Bun manga
**Alternity
**''Robot Heroes'' comic
**''Universe'' cartoon
**Wings of Honor

Is this a good idea? Would anyone actually like to see this kind of thing, or would I just be putting a whole bunch of work into something we don't need? --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:28, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:We do need standardization of section names. The section order, however, depends on order in which the character appeared in those continuities in the real world. Then the subsections are ordered by the fictional chronology. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:35, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::No wonder I get confused by this fiction order thing. @_@ I guess I might just be one of those people that will never get the hang of some of these things. And yeah, the section names was definitely something else I wanted to tackle, since I've seen at times no less than four different ways to refer to a certain media. I sometimes have to check the storylinks at the end to be sure it's all part of the same story! --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:45, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::Note that, within a continuity, flashbacks and time travel can mean that experiential fictional chronology for one character requires a different order of headings than for another. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:16, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:::In regards to standardization, I have an idea. What if we create a list of headers (kept on this page perhaps) used on Optimus Prime (G1)'s page (probably has the greatest number of different headers), use that as our initial standards list, then update it as we find other headers or decide to change the existing standards? Once we think we've covered the majority of possibilities, we could move it to a help page and make it official policy. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:49, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::::I put together [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections|a sandbox along these lines]] a couple of years ago. It hasn't been updated in quite a while, and I'm not sure it was ever actually complete, and it was the subject of [[User_talk:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections|a bit of debate]]... but there it is, for what it's worth. (Also, I support standardization of headers, but I've run into [[Talk:Ricochet_(Headmasters)#Header|some]] [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive22#Section_naming_conventions|opposition]] over the nitty-gritty before, so best of luck.) - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:11, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Foreign name reorganization ==

Is there any chance we could consider moving the foreign names somewhere else in the article other than at the top? We've already established a new standard for episodes, but characters could stand to have their names moved to their own dedicated section, likely under "Notes". There, we could add things like kana and Cyrillic forms of names not different from the English version. Opinions? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 4 February 2011 (EST)
:I'm in favor of it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:33, 4 February 2011 (EST)

::All things considered, since this is (mostly) an english-centric wiki when it comes to stuff, the foreign names do come off as being interesting trivia more than anything else. I'm in favour of this too. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:37, 4 February 2011 (EST)

:I'm fine with where they are now, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:39, 4 February 2011 (EST)

:I can see the logic in them being moved down to notes. You've got an in-universe profile, then a bunch of out-of-universe names, then the in-universe fiction section. The only argument I have against it is that I'm used to seeing the foreign names at the top. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:05, 4 February 2011 (EST)

::If it can be moved downward (to the first entry of the notes section or a new section after the notes section) instead of being on the top, MOVE it. Originally, I'm fine withe where they are {{m-}} but that would be a character with fewer foreign names. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 19:55, 4 February 2011 (EST)
Any further opinions on this? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:36, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:What about cases where some of the extra names at the top are English, e.g. Omni Productions names, or preliminary or nicknames? Would they remain at the top or become notes too? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:29, 21 February 2011 (EST)
::The Malay dub still technically counts as foreign in my mind. Nicknames should be integrated in the introduction (or notes section), and preliminary names should have been in notes in the first place, since they aren't the characters' "real names" in any sense. Further elaboration of the preliminary names better suits the notes section, anyway. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:43, 21 February 2011 (EST)
Japanese names are often for a character in a slightly different continuity. Like "Fire Convoy" is a Car Robots character and "Optimus Prime" is an RID character, but they share the same page. Or "Flame Convoy" is a Galaxy Force character but "Scourge" is a Cybertron character. In that case they should have the Japanese name up top. The names that are just different language versions of the English character can go on bottom. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:18, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:... no. ''Cybertron'' and ''Galaxy Force'' are NOT different stories (Takara officially put GF back in the same timeline as the prior two series), and the ''RID/CR'' split is a unique case. In neither case should the names go up top. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:44, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::They are slightly different continuities. Galaxy Force doesn't have the [[Omega Frequency]] for example. And the Grand Black Hole is different. And the [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] is different. [[Blaster (G1)|Broadcast]] never became Twincast in English. I think Japanese names are a special case and deserve to be on top since Japanese toyline & fiction continuity is always slightly separate. But I can hit the "end" key on the keyboard easy enough. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:56, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:::Every single foreign language version of something is technically a slightly different continuity, strictly due to the nature of translation. This is not a arena in which Galaxy Force is unique. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:01, 23 February 2011 (EST)

== Commercial Appearances section ==

Alright, so I plan later on to start going through characters' pages and add in a "Commercial Appearances" section where it applies (sorry, I can't this weekend... homework to do!). Several characters already have this section and a lot of these commercials have nice short animations or other interesting characterizations and tidbits that I think they bear to be included in the characters' pages. Although, much like the Games sections, I'll only be able to marginally help by adding in the section itself to let people know that there's work to be done on a character's page... MY computer is so incredibly shitty that I can't even play videos off youtube. D:

But anyways, the reason I'm bringing this up here is because before I get started, I'd like to discuss what kind of format we want for this section, so it can be done right the first time around. Obviously, where it applies, stuff like indicating who the voice actor for the character makes sense, but should the write-up be in-universe or not? Since commercials fluctuate between using a short animation telling a mini-story and just being a straight-up commercial saying "buy this toy!" should a combination of both in-universe and out-of-universe description be used? And should we count the parts where the kids brandish their action figures and talk for the character as dialog spoken by the character? That's all the questions on the subject I can really think of for now... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 15:12, 6 February 2011 (EST)
:I would write up the animation segments in-universe so long as they're unique to the commercial (i.e. not just recycled footage from one of the cartoons). Anything else that's notable enough could qualify for an out of universe note. But I wouldn't bother with recycled animation or the kids talking for the figures. That doesn't qualify as fiction to me.
:In regards to your inability to view the commercials, would it help if you could download them in some fashion and then watch them offline? Maybe burn the videos to a DVD disc? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:43, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, any clips taken from pre-existing mediums would be redundant from those scenes being already covered in other sections on that character's page. Personally though, I'm still on the fence about the kids talking for the figures... I find it comparable to botcon script readings in a way... People just talking out loud for a character without any accompanying animation... I'm prone to be swayed either way. As for me viewing the commercials themselves, my spring break is a week from now. I might have access to a better computer then, but otherwise I'll just be putting in information already available on the wiki to the appropriate pages throughout the week, I guess. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 17:53, 6 February 2011 (EST)

==How to resolve monster debates?==
[[User:-Blackout-]]'s recent meltdown over being prevented from editing [[Goldbug (IDW)]] has made me think again about how policy/content discussions tend to go on this wiki. It's a big part of why I haven't been around since last summer: I found myself perpetuating these miles-long debates that few cared to read, everyone was irritated by, and most importantly ''were impossible to resolve.''

That Goldbug article is a sterling example. Right now, people are talking about it as if the [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive1|giant]] [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive2|debate]] had resolved in favor of the current setup, so changing the article at this point is taboo because it "was dealt with already." But that's not how it went at all. Blackout's dickishly unilateral edit-war was definitely the Wrong Way to reopen this, but it's also wrong to pretend that we had achieved consensus or closure on the issue.

At [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive2#Breaking down the problem|the end of the debate]], I had restated the case for [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Goldbug (G1)|my "Goldbug (G1)" sandbox]], which is definitely different from the current setup, and 6 other people declared support for it while 2 objected at length. But the objectors were also against the current setup: Jeysie wanted the toy gone, and Derik wanted... something inscrutable and Deriky. Combining those numbers with the [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive1#Vote Tally|premature vote]] that had been taken earlier (and adjusting for the voters who changed their minds by the end), I count:

Sandbox: 8 
Sandbox with modifications: 3 
Current page: 7 
Current page without the toy: 2

That's not consensus. That's deadlock. In fact, there were fewer votes to keep the page as-is than there were to change it in some fashion. The current setup didn't win out in terms of votes, logic, precedent, or any other measure: It won out because it was what happened to be there when the debate died of exhaustion.

So we're stuck with an awkward page that most people want to be different, encased in concrete forevermore. I don't see any way out of this situation, and I've watched the same principle play out with other debates too many times. At the very least, I wonder if it would be helpful to have a Template:Deadlock that we could slap on inconclusive debates (with a picture of [[Drift (G1)|Deadlock]], natch) so people know the true state of things.

Taking that idea further, maybe it could come with a period of enforced moratorium – say, two weeks – followed by a revote and/or a formalized "final statements" opportunity? The most extreme option I can think of is to create a "council of elders" that has the community-bestowed power to resolve intractable debates and declare relevant policy principles. Basically, a Supreme Court. I do worry that creating an authoritative heirarchy might produce even more problems, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

Thoughts? Other ideas?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:20, 9 February 2011 (EST)
: This whole argument goes to the heart of what we mean when we say two characters are "the same". The Bumblebee toy was produced and fiction was made to promote that toy, thus all of those fictions (which differ from each other) are about "the same" character. The Goldbug toy was produced with a tech spec that stated that it was "the same" character as Bumblebee. Fiction was produced to promote that toy, thus all those varying depictions of Goldbug are "the same" character as Bumblebee. The same argument applies to the differing backstories of Optimus Prime; Orion Pax and Optronix are "the same" character because they both are earlier forms of the character that was used to promote the sale of the Optimus Prime toy. The problem comes in with later stories that are not produced to promote those original toys. How do we decide what is the same? When is a character "the same character under different circumstances/in a different universe" and when is it simply an homage character? I really can't see how others see the IDW Goldbug as "the same" character as the original toy and not (as I see him) as a simple homage character. Under their viewpoint the toy belongs, under mine it doesn't. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:15, 10 February 2011 (EST)

: I NOMINATE MYSELF AS FINAL ARBITER AND SUPREME OVERLORD. all decisions will be made based on what amuses me the most. (seriously, we probably ought to have some kind of "no consensus" tag for articles like that.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:58, 10 February 2011 (EST)

Mmm...probably best not to restart the Goldbug debate itself here, Khajidha -- that would quickly distract from what Jackpot's actually asking here, which is how debates should be resolved ''in general''.

Some of the basic rules we already follow should remain. No "edit-warring"...leave it up to the Talk Pages to hash out the problem. I don't think a mere two weeks is enough to give people time to change their minds, though, especially in this crowd. One thing I notice is that despite dozens of regular contributors and hundreds overall, most Talk Page or Community Portal votes I've seen have less than 20 votes at the end. Many of these debates fly right under the radar. I'm relatively active here, but the Goldbug (IDW) chaos completely passed me by.

What about, when a Talk Page debate has clearly reached an impasse between <strike>obstinant</strike> strong-willed parties, a Vote is taken on the ''Main Page''? Some sort of easy-to-see box temporarily added to the Main Page, "above the fold" so that its visible to all visitors when they enter? It would be more noticeable than if the vote is hidden away on a single Talk Page people may or may not see. Something like ''"A [[Deadlock]] has arisen! Choose from the following choices: Should [[Goldbug (IDW)]] have the G1 toy on his page? Yes or No? (See the Goldbug (IDW) Talk Page for the full debate.)"''

I realize many debates won't be as simple as Yes or No, but if the debating parties agree in advance how to phrase the Voting Box, it could be a useful tool. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 13:07, 10 February 2011 (EST)

:Yeah, wasn't really trying to restart that debate. Was bringing up questions about general character debates, as they seem to occur quite often. But other debates also bog down, so I recognize that my questions don't apply to those debates.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:35, 10 February 2011 (EST)

:I like the idea of keeping a debate in the regulars' faces until a decision has been reached by enough people (at least 20? 25?). Many debates I keep away from because I think they'll disappear anyway and my vote doesn't really matter <s>and I also can't deal all that well with the aggressive nature of most debates, making it actively a lose-only situation if I'd enter</s>. I'm not sure if others feel that way, but I imagine this would be a boost for all to participate. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:23, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::I absolutely disagree with the premise that people who don't care enough to read the argument should have it shoved in their face until they vote. AT MOST, we should mention it somewhere prominent, like the community portal. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:53, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:::I agree that essentially putting a ballot on the front page is asking for trouble. You might get the dozens of votes you're looking for, but they'll all be uninformed gut reactions. One of the reasons these debates happen is that issues can be much more complicated and subtle than they seem at first glance. Plus one would hope that the reasoning behind the winning option would help develop our policies, but if the decisions are made by the majority of an explicitly uninformed mob, it's hard to glean any substantial precedent out of that.
:::But I think an approach like that ''could'' be combined with my "final statements" suggestion. Thinking out loud here: After a cooling-off period has been declared and a set amount of time has passed, anyone who wants to present a case can write up a defense of his or her preferred option. Those are all submitted to a neutral volunteer, who then posts them simultaneously on the relevant Talk page, and those become the voting choices. No replies are allowed, only votes. We put a notice up at least on the Community Portal, possibly on the Main Page, for another set time period, then close voting and go with the majority.
:::How does that sound? Like I said, thinking out loud, so suggestions are more than welcome.
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:18, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::::Sounds pretty good to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:19, 11 February 2011 (EST)

==How featured articles are chosen==
On a side note, would a box like that also be useful to start a voting system for featured pages? Because I'm fine with Drift and Wreck-Gar and all others before, but I am absolutely clueless as to who chose them to become featured for what reasons. I'd like to see a better system for that. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:23, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: If there was a recently-completed article that's of respectable length, I choose it. The pool for featured articles is pretty damn small. Not many articles are finished, and the ones that are finished have usually already been Featured Articles already. Finished articles don't happen very frequently, so sometimes we find one that's close to completion near the end of a month and then push to finish it before the month is over. Sometimes we think a subject or a character is timely (like around BotCon, or before an episode or movie premiere) and push for that. If you want a heads up, Chris McFeely's [[Matrix of Leadership]] article is so totally March's. (I think Chris has the record for number of articles he's completed which have become featured.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:31, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: Long story short, if you want an article to be featured, finish it. That means photos for every toy and known merchandise, and storylinks (with summaries) to every piece of fiction they've appeared in. Behind the scenes information helps. The longer and more involved the article, the more appealing it is. Meaning, finishing an article for a Mini-Con who showed up in the background somewhere, or finishing an article for someone who doesn't have any illutrated appearances... these are probably not going to be featured. But people like Perceptor (G1) or Side Burn (RID) or High Wire (Armada) have enough about them to say to make an interesting featured article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:36, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: "Long story short," my ass. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:37, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:: Have we done any episodes as Featured yet? I know the over-arching "Target 2006" article was chosen once. You'd think we could get, say [[Code of Hero]] up to that standard pretty quickly. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:42, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:::I really think we need to get [[BotCon]] up to that standard. We're pretty close! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:22, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:::[[B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.]] is a Featured article about an episode. [[User:Excise|Excise]] 00:00, 16 February 2011 (EST)

== Letterers ==
On images of comic pages, do we credit the ''letterers'' by placing the image in an "Image by Letterer Name" category? We've got a few contradictory examples around. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:32, 12 February 2011 (EST)
:Okay, three options: For images currently in categories like "Images by Mike Scott" (where Mike Scott is a letterer), we can:
:# Create the category and treat letterers just like artists, inkers, and colorists.
:# Instead place them in a "Images ''lettered'' by Mike Scott" category.
:# Remove the category, and not attempt to categorize images by letterer.
:I'm probably going to go with option 3 barring dissent. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:25, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::I added galleries to a few of the pages for letterers (eg [[Bill Oakley]], [[Peri Godbold]]) on the basis that lettering can make or [[:Image:Cryotekmrrghmraghmrugghagh.jpg|break]] a comic. As well as adding the text, the letterer has to pick where the balloons will go and place, them, so they do have a large degree of control over how the comic turns out. That said, I don't know that we need to categorise images by letterer. The original intention was [[:Category talk:Images by artist|not to]], but it looks like we ended up doing it anyway, and at least one template is set up to put images into category by letterer. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:44, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I'd vote for option 3 as well.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 22:02, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::I'm leaning towards option 3 myself. My reasoning is that even though letterers can have a large effect on a comic, I don't see too many people wanting to find every image lettered by a given letterer. The galleries, on the other hand, are useful for demonstrating the quality of an individual's work. So those should be used. While the obsessive in me thinks we should categorize images by every applicable characteristic, it's not realistic. I don't think it benefits us enough to go through all that work for categories that only a few people might find useful. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 01:09, 17 February 2011 (EST)
'Kay, I'm going to go with option 3. This may involve editing a template or two. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:35, 17 February 2011 (EST)

== Categories by toy size class? ==
Do we ''want'' the following categories?
 Leader class toy images
 Deluxe class toy images
 Voyager class toy images
 Scout class toy images
 They currently have a very few things in them (and could obviously have many more), but the cat' pages themselves have not been created. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 12 February 2011 (EST)

:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:13, 12 February 2011 (EST)

::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:06, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:::As long as it's only the images and not the articles, I couldn't care less. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:09, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:There's also a "Legends class toy images" category which has 90 images in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:21, 15 February 2011 (EST)

::Legends are kind of an exception because they're a different scale/play pattern, as evidenced by the upcoming Cyberverse stuff. Scouts-on-up are ''generally'' meant to intermingle, Legends aren't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:41, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I could go either way on this one. It's a lot of work to fill these categories out, but the ability to find all the Deluxe figures easily intrigues me. If we did institute this I would also think that this would be the proper place to put the "exclusive figure" categories and such. Basically, any category that pertains to a particular toy and not to the character could be tagged to the image of that toy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:08, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:I've been doing them because I saw other people do them. I don't mind either way. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:51, 16 February 2011 (EST)
So, counting me as "no", that's three "no"s, an "I don't care", an "I don't mind either way", and an "either way/intrigues me". I think we're leaning toward "no". Final comments? [[User:JW|JW]] 07:08, 16 February 2011 (EST)

::I guess it's "no" or at least "not the time"? (Though I'm "I'm not sure".) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:21, 16 February 2011 (EST)
:::I've gone with "no", and added a note to that effect to [[Transformers_Wiki:Images]]. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:27, 16 February 2011 (EST)

Ha ha, none of the no's have actually said why they've said no. Such super debating skills that. [[Special:Contributions/213.105.226.130|213.105.226.130]] 17:44, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Undo Redone? ==

I just undid an edit, but instead of getting the automatic "Reverting edit ##### by User1 to last version by User2" summary, that box was blank. In addition, above the edit window were the captions "Current revision" and "Your text", side by side, as if there's meant to be one editable text window under each. Instead, there was only one such text window beneath them, stretching across under both captions. The page is protected so only registered users can edit it, so that MIGHT have something to do with the problem, though I doubt it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:28, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:It doesn't automatically create an edit summary if you're doing an undo on multiple revisions, so that might be it. Not sure about the other part - it's always shown me a diff at the top of the screen when I've done an undo. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:54, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::Okay, blank edit summary's explained, because it was indeed a group of 3-4 edits being undone all at once. Still inexplicable is the fact that I just checked the page history; it didn't even accept my Undo! LoneGamer78 ended up doing it instead. I've noticed some sluggish response from the site over the past fifteen minutes or so, perhaps whatever caused that was a factor? It may never be known...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:02, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::Is it possible she just beat you to it by a few moments and thus there was an edit conflict? I've had that happen sometimes, and so there's no diff shown because now the page already matches what you were going to change it to. (Uh, does that make sense?) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 22:17, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::::Can't rule it out entirely, but edit conflicts usually announce themselves as such, and they DO have two distinct editable text windows: one showing the text as it stands after someone edited while you were typing, the other as it would have been if you'd edited without interference.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 22:24, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::::A few times I've "undone" an edit, but someone else beat me to it. It doesn't seem to show an edit conflict if that happens, probably because the change is identical to the previous one. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:06, 19 February 2011 (EST)

== Banner ad question. ==
The small side box ad (the one that's still a free-floater) currently has an ad for some webcomic. Which is fine, but one of the panels has GIANT ERECT LADY NIPPLES ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'm not offended by it, but it's, uh, something. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:39, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:Ah, yeah. That'd be because it's an NSFW comic called DarkBrain which is read aloud by "adult film star Tabitha Stevens." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:50, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:: If people don't like it, I can yank it. I didn't think its THO was that objectionable, apparently, when I okayed it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:27, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== help ==

I cant find the latest talk please help([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 15:44, 21 February 2011 (EST))
:What do you mean by the latest talk? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:54, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen Online Games ==

So, I figured I might as well finish up the online game write-ups for Revenge of the Fallen online games, in case they go offline once Dark of the Moon comes out. But, hot damn, do I ever suck. Which means I'm not very likely to get pics of later levels in some of these games. I'll be trying to add in whatever I can to these sections, but some help would be much appreciated! --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:57, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:I can have a go at getting some screencaps tonight if no one else does. Which games in particular? I noticed some of them are already gone a couple of weeks ago, as Hasbro has redirected most of the monkeybar site they were on to the Hub site, which doesn't have them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::Well, personally I'm having difficulty getting pics of every character's sprite from Battle for the Matrix. I'm currently working on The RPMs Devastator game. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::I got caps of everyone except the Fallen, haven't uploaded them yet though. I couldn't get the [[flying drone]]s to transform either. They just seem to fly around wildly in robot mode. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:56, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::Dang! The Fallen is the only one I can't get to either! And yeah, the flying drones are near-impossible to get a screencap of. I got a couple mid-transformation, but that's it. If any of your pics are better than mine, feel free to replace them. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 13:55, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I went and got pics from Flight of the Bumblebee and Allspark Highway. Unfortunately I can't get pics of Ratchet from the later since robovision isn't up anymore! Darn! I'll upload them later. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:45, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I grabbed a screenshot of The Fallen finally. Man, that game is a memory hog. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:38, 25 February 2011 (EST)

== Countdown? ==

Sorry if this isn't the right place to put this, but a while back ago, there was a countdown to ROTF on the Main Page. Perhaps a countdown to DOTM would now be appropriate as it's so close?

Also, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to program/insert/design/<insert verb here> a countdown on a wiki page (it's for another wiki). What template or whatever does that use? I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me.

Again, terribly sorry if this is the wrong place to say this...
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 4:02 PM, 22 February 2011 A.D.
:Dark of the Moon countdown based on Derik's ROTF code: {{#expr: ({{ #time: U |July 1, 2011}} - {{ #time: U }})/86400 round 0}} days until [[Dark of the Moon (film)|TF: Dark of the Moon]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:05, 22 February 2011 (EST)

==When to omit "Transformers" from an article title==
So I got a hankering to remove the "Transformers" from [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and all of their related pages, since unlike [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]], there's just no good reason to break policy for them. There are [[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|other video games that we drop the "TF" from]], and if "Prime" is too common a term, then what about "[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]" or "[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]"?

But then I decided to check out [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Transformers&searchx=Search&limit=500 which pages use "Transformers" in their titles,] and holyyyyyyyy crap. I copy-pasted here all the ones I found that I thought could lose the "Transformers" without negating their meaning, destroying a phrase, or otherwise severely damaging the title. (I added an "(etc.)" to each one that represents a series of identically-worded pages):

[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)]] 
[[1-2-3 Transformers]] 
[[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Legends]] 
[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)]] 
[[The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Energon Within]] 
[[The Transformers Collection]] 
[[Transformers Quest]] 
[[Transformers Key Recovery: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Power Up: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Cybertron: Primus Unleashed]] 
[[Transformers PD Type]] 
[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]] 
[[Transformers Generations]] 
[[Transformers: Rise of the Chevy Autobots]] 
[[Transformers Annual 1990]] (etc.) 
[[The Transformers Sticker Book (1986)]] 
[[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)]] 
[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]] 
[[Look and Find Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Coloring and Activity Book and Crayons]] 
[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers: Learn to Count Activity Tablet]] 
[[Transformers The Reusable Sticker Book]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Storybook]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Guide]] 
[[Transformers Prime Time]] 
[[Transformers Mix & Match]] 
[[Transformers Comic issue 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers The Game (console)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons]] 
[[Transformers History of Music 1984-1990]] 
[[Transformers: Mosaic]] 
[[Transformers Name Generator]] 
[[Transformers Battle Universe]] 
[[The Transformers: Binaltech & TF Collection Complete Guide]] 
[[The Transformers Comic Magazine]] 
[[Transformers Pop-Up Book]] 
[[Transformers Visualworks]] 
[[Transformers Tooth Tunes]] 
[[Transformers Tapestry]] 
[[Transformers Song Universe]] 
[[Transformers G1: Awakening]] 
[[Transformers Armada Annual 2004]] 
[[Transformers: Beginnings]] 
[[Transformers the Movie water]] 
[[Transformers: The Score]] 
[[Transformers: The Thirteen]] 
[[Transformers: War Within Omnibus]] 
[[Transformers: The Ride]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Jigsaw Puzzle]] 
[[Transformers: Kōtetsu no Yūki]] 
[[The Transformers Continuum: The Definitive Chronology]] 
[[The Transformers: Bumblebee]] 
[[Transformers Adventures]] (etc.) 
[[Top Trumps: Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Race For The Mini-con Robots]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Battle Begins]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Secret of the Star Saber]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Autobots Strike Back]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 1]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 2]] 
[[Transformers Theme Song Collection]] 
[[The Transformers: Drift]] 
[[Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Annual 2010]] 
[[Transformers CyberToy]] 
[[Transformers Hall of Fame]] 
[[The Transformers: Ironhide]] 
[[Transformers Evo.]] 
[[The Transformers Legends of the Microns: Sound of Evolution Vol. 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Music Matrix]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide: Revenge]] 
[[Transformers: Battle for the Matrix]] 
[[Transformers: Coloring and Activity Book and Stickers]] 
[[Transformers: Activity Book and Gel Pen]] 
[[Transformers: Sector 7]] 
[[Transformers: Cybertron Adventures]] 
[[Transformers Cards]] 
[[Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise]] 
[[Cadbury's Transformers Card Game]] 
[[Ridiculous Legend Transformers]] 
[[Famicom How-to Manga: Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Transformers Caramel]] 
[[Transformers Comic-Magazin]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Extra Comic-Sonderheft]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Super-Auswahlband]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Energon Valentine's cards]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 1]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 2]]

For many of them, the choice to keep or drop the "TF" seems intuitive, and many others are in a grey area... but I'll be damned if I can put into words any kind of coherent rationale. I'm seriously thinking that we've outgrown the "drop extraneous 'TF's" rule. Back when we only had a few hundred pages, it made a certain kind of sense: Why bother writing out stuff like "Transformers: Generation 2" when just "Generation 2" is equally meaningful to everyone here? Besides, isn't every page about Transformers by default? But in the past five years, both the wiki and the subject matter have exploded, and with both so many fine-grain, obscure topics being covered and so much not-strictly-TF content we've added, I don't think the policy serves us anymore. It doesn't make things simple; it makes things arbitrary and unpredictable.

So unless someone can sum up our policy in a way that makes a lick of sense, I propose: '''If a topic has an official title, then that should be used in full as the title of the relevant articles.''' Period. So [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] would stay right where they are, and yes, [[Generation 2 (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)", [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)", etc. I don't think we'd need to make that change happen instantly, but we could slowly propagate it as people feel inclined to. I also think we can keep the parenthetical abbreviations and in-sentence references as short as they currently are; this is only about the titles.

Thoughts?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:43, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:What are these "Transformers"? -[[Special:Contributions/75.185.113.106|75.185.113.106]] 18:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)

::I've always been for having the full name as article titles. (Maybe also drop the "(franchise)" disambigs, because durr, but that's other topic.) Not only do we keep the full name of the subject, it aids us in disambiguation (it's easier to have smaller sets of "Transformers: Cybertron" and "Cybertron" than a large set of just "Cybertron"). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:22, 22 February 2011 (EST)

:::I don't have an opinion on adding or removing "Transformers:" from articles (other than that adding it would perhaps make articles and reading unnecessarily longer - right now, I hate having to type out "Transformers Animated" before "The AllSpark Almanac"), but I do oppose removing (franchise). If there's one thing I hate, it's when there's one 'most important' page that goes undisamb'ed (like Spark) and you'll have to go through a lot of trouble to ensure it all is meant to link there. When I cleaned up the Lithone links for planet and species, nearly every single one link directed the wrong way. Same for D-HQ, AllSpark vs Allspark, Junkion, Black Friday, etc. So, keep (franchise). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:49, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I too think "Transformers: " should be kept as well as " (franchise)". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:46, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::I don't mind losing Transformers when it the prefix in a title that's the form of Transformers: <subtitle>, as in that case the subtitle itself is more the actual official name and "Transformers" is just tacked on as an extra identifier.

::::But in some of those things, Transformers is, well, a vital part of the thing's actual name. I mean, for instance, the Club's full official name ''is'' "Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club", so removing "Transformers" from it would be incorrect. --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 03:00, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I don't think that distinction is clear enough to be workable anymore. Looking at that list, tons of them I have no idea which side of the divide they'd fall on. For instance, "[[Transformers Legends]]" is the proper title of the book; that's how it would be listed in any store or library, but for ''our'' purposes the "TF" is as extraneous as the one that we omit from [[Energon (comic)]] or [[Dinobots Strike Back]]. The "for our purposes" thing is so often so questionable... like, what would that dictate for [[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]? It's definitely a subtitle situation like you described, but there are lots of non-TF "Ultimate Guide"s published by the same company... but we would never cover them, so for our purposes is the "TF" still redundant?
:::::I agree with Geewunling that it would be annoying to have to type out longer titles (though readability should be unchanged, since I think we could still truncate in-sentence references). But right NOW it's annoying that our lack of a coherent policy is making everything increasingly unpredictable. We're seeing a lot of creep in the form of stuff like [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and for some reason video games. So I don't even know what should be "corrected" anymore or how to decide the matter when creating a new article.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:58, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::::The annoyance of editors doesn't really enter into my consideration; the wiki is ultimately for the readers, not our convenience. If we have to do some more work for the best presentation, so be it. —Interrobang, not logged in

:I'm OK with moving articles to put Transformers into the title so long as we don't delete the redirects. If we move "Revenge of the Fallen (film)" to "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)", there are going to be a whole bunch of sites linking to the old URL, and I don't wanna have a repeat of the "(Shattered Glass)" thing where all the redirects get deleted and a whole lot of other sites are pointing to useless error pages. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:25, 23 February 2011 (EST)

=="(WFC)" vs. "(Prime)"==
There are currently [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|two]] [[Talk:Optimus Prime (Prime)#Move|discussions]] going about whether articles on subjects that originated in ''War for Cybertron''-branded fiction (the [[War for Cybertron games|games]], [[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|novel]], and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|comic]]) should be titled "(WFC)" rather than "(Prime)". It was suggested that this should be brought up in the Community Portal, so here it is.

For the record, looking at [[War for Cybertron games#Featured Characters|this list]], right now we're using "(Prime)" for all named characters, even those currently exclusive to WfC, and "(WFC)" for all character ''types'' from the games. I'm not sure why that is, but that's the state of things.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I completely agree with Jackpot. It is stupid we have an article called [[Ultra Magnus (Prime)]] stating "Ultra Magnus is an Autobot Wrecker from the WFC portion of the Aligned family continuity". I blame myself for not doing this a lot earlier, treating the WFC navbox as like a subsection of Prime when the novel was so clearly a tie-in to those games. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::WFC is a tie-in game. As I pointed out, how many Mini-Cons from the PS2 Transformers game use the disambiguator "(Transformers)"? And even then, what of novel-original characters? Do they get "(Exodus)"? And heck, didn't Exodus come out ''before'' WFC? Shouldn't the characters thusly use "(Exodus)" over "(WFC)" or "(Prime)"? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::: The book and game came out on the same day, as I recall. So... yeah. I'm completely against this. We used "Prime" because that was the name we WERE using for the continuity family; frankly, I find this wishy-washy "aligned continuity family" thing pretty lame. The core of the damn family is the Prime cartoon. It is THE central feature, and will be THE major fictional outlet and -almost assuredly- what future non-show fictions will adhere more closely to. I don't see the point in all this subdividing and adding more parantheticals. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:19, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I find it ''extremely'' hard to believe that if Hasbro's "decade" plan goes through, ''Prime'' is the last franchise we're going to see spring from it. Even Aaron Archer thinks "Prime" is a bad name for the overall deal. Given what a fractured start it's already off to, I think separating out the "family" foundation is the only sensible thing to do. So that's why [[Aligned continuity family]] exists.
::::As for the "(WFC)" notion, I'm not as personally attached to that, even though I do think it's the correct thing to do. Mostly I think that WfC needs to be acknowledged as an entity unto itself, not just a subset of ''Prime''. Strictly from a branding point of view, it ISN'T a subset; nothing has been both WfC- and Prime-branded. It's not just the title of a video game; it's in the titles of [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|a comic]] and [[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|a novel]], plus they've made [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#Toys|toys from it]] that definitely don't fit the ''Prime'' brand. (True, the toys aren't labeled "WfC", but that's par for the course with ''Generations'' anyway. At the very least, it's a grey area.) Beyond branding, it just has a unique aesthetic and sensibility that's very different from ''Prime''.
::::Based on all that, the best place WfC fits in our schema is as a "franchise", to my judgement. "''Prime'' tie-in" doesn't cut it.
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:55, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::WFC is not ''just'' a tie-in game. It has [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fcfb1b5-19b9-f369-10be-e91a2108d9ab online bios] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 online timeline]. Hasbro made it its own thing. Franchise-like. Before any Prime show started we learned from the timeline that [[Megatron (Prime)|D-16]] was an Energon mine laborer and rose to prominence in secret gladiatorial combat and took the name "Megatron". So [[Megatron (Prime)]] had a whole history before the show even existed. The non-show characters with the (Prime) disambiguation also shows it doesn't quite fit. I'd go for WFC. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:35, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::AGAIN, Exodus came out the SAME DAY. So why does WFC get prominence? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Because that's the phrase that's used in the names of [[War for Cybertron games|all]] [[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|the]] [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|media]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I don't see how the subline "The official history of the war for Cybertron" is the exact same as "War For Cybertron: The Vidya Game". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:24, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::I agree. Aside from three (ambiguous) words on the book's front, there's not much that says it's part of the WFC "franchise". Same for Generations. If they wanted to, they could have made figures of every War for Cybertron character and released it in a toyline explicitly called "Transformers: War for Cybertron". But they didn't; they just released five toys based on WFC designs and released them under Generations, so Generations is a WFC toy line as much as it is a G1 one (actually, probably more of G1 considering how very few WFC toys there were). The video games are only different because of hardware limitations, so having multiple games with the same title does not a franchise make. Having a website with bios and everything is a moot point, because almost every video game has that. The comic, I'll give you that one, but I don't think it's a franchise if it's a game and a tie-in comic with a limited release. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::For what it's worth, when you [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm click on "War For Cybertron"] it brings up all the Generations toys. I also think the WFC timeline ties in Exodus to WFC since the events in the comic and timeline are basically from the book. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::It also brings up PCC Icepick (item 12 of 12, on page 2). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:52, 28 February 2011 (EST)

::::::::The WfC-branded timeline and comic both cover events in ''Exodus''. Hell, the comic was written by the same dude. I don't understand the logic that says that the "War for Cybertron" in the novel's title doesn't mean the same thing. If there were a novel called "Deuteronomy: The Official History of the Beast Wars" set during the events of the cartoon, I wouldn't be trying to say it was part of the ''Beast Machines'' franchise.
::::::::Let me put in a slightly different light: Because franchises are branding-based, not continuity-based, I'm not comfortable with the ''Prime'' franchise being stretched to include all this stuff that doesn't have the ''Prime'' label on it. Yes, it's clearly all RELATED, story-wise, but that's what [[Aligned continuity family|continuity pages]] are for. This feels like taking ''Machine Wars'' (which is the opposite kind of sparse: a toyline with virtually no fiction) and rolling it into G2. Sure, they're in the same family, and there are connections between the two, but they're not marketed with the same label, so we don't do it. Before ''Prime'' existed, there were these other forms of media sharing a unique title (that even got the TF-logo lockup treatment!) and covering common ground. Then ''Prime'' showed up, and so far the two labels have not been seen on the same product. To me, that means two franchises.
::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:20, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::::::::But... there is no overarching label on the products we have poked into the WFC "Franchise". "Transformers: War for Cybertron" has its own logo which is also on the tie-in comic, and Exodus has its own logo. They're still prequels to TF:Prime. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:33, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I guess I just see the "War for Cybertron" in the title of ''Exodus'' as having more meaning than you do. Yeah, Hasbro could've been more blatant if they'd wanted to, but it's still clearly telling the reader it's part of the same deal as the WfC games and comic, without making any reference to ''Prime'' (or vice-versa). I can imagine a situation where the ''Prime'' branding might retroactively subsume WfC, like how the "Wreckers" comic was given the ''Universe'' brand (they say there's another game coming out, after all). But that hasn't happened yet, so in the meantime I say WfC doesn't belong under the ''Prime'' franchise.
::::::::::Anyway, at this point if we don't see eye-to-eye, we probably won't, so I'm going to shut up now.
::::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:What about the next thing after ''Prime'' that is in the Modern/Aligned continuity? We would have a new disambiguation, like, "Spike (Next Franchise)." and characters that have never been in Prime, like "Ultra Magnus (Prime)." Kind of confusing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::No it isn't. The idea that WFC/Exodus are part of a big wad of continuity colloquially known as "Prime", and referred to as "Prime" because the "Prime" cartoon is THE core of the whole shebang, and will liekly BE said core for the near future, is not a hard one. It only gets confusing when you start letting obfuscating pedantry in, at which point you're only making more work for no payoff and making things harder for our readers. A trend which seems to keep coming up over and over again, I've noticed... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::I'm pretty sure I've had my share of "obfuscating pedantry" moments, but I completely agree with Siph on this one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:18, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::For the record, if people really think that using "(WFC)" would be confounding to readers, that's not a decision I'm very invested in. This discussion has ballooned into bigger issues that I ''do'' feel more strongly about, but the parenthetical itself is very take-it-or-leave-it for me. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I would at the least support migrating characters who have thus far ''only'' appeared in WFC to the appropriate parenthetical.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:55, 1 March 2011 (EST)
:And move them back if they appear in Prime? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:03, 1 March 2011 (EST)
::Yes. I think that would make the most sense to people looking for the characters.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::I am willing to make this compromise for the time being. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)

==War For Cybertron==
War for cybertron is a relativley new game, but it is a great one. I am kind of new on this website, but to me, it looks like the War For Cybertron title has gotten mixed up with Transformers: Prime, a completley diffrent universe. also, WFC is G1 Canon. All the WFC pages and articles should be labled on G1, MAJOR cleanup is needed. {{unsigned|Holymoses|06:30, March 3, 2011 (EST)}}
:You clearly ''are'' quite new, because we would advise you to read [[Aligned continuity family|this article]] before you start in on this notion. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:33, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:In Hasbro's own words: "The TRANSFORMERS brand team would like to confirm that Transformers War for Cybertron video game, Transformers Exodus novel, and the Transformers Prime television show are in the same aligned continuity. Hasbro is creating a single continuity to tell the bulk of our TRANSFORMERS stories going forward." Here's the [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/ link] to the announcement --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:45, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::You aren't completely wrong. The game developers were heavily inspired by G1, and were pretty much making a G1 game as far as they knew. It's just that, like Khajidha said, Hasbro says War for Cybertron is part of the same continuity as Prime, so that's what the wiki goes with. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:00, 4 March 2011 (EST)

Well that still seems weird, since "Prime" has a completley diffrent story, and "Exodus" doesnt connect the two sagas very well. even if its what Hasbro said, i think we should put all this into consideration, Aaron Archer himself said that War for Cybertron was a game set in the G1 Universe. I think its wrong of Hasbro to try and connect the two diffrent Continuities. {{unsigned|Holymoses|09:12, March 4, 2011 (EST)}}
:First of all, when did Aaron Archer say that? Second, Hasbro gets to define what is in each continuity for the simple reason that it is their intellectual property. It may not be to your liking, but it cannot be wrong as they are the ones who determine what is right. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:35, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, gonna need a source on that Archer statement. Especially since he's been amongst the ones saying WFC/Exodus is part of the new continuity. Also, weren't a lot of elements in WFC, like Dark Energon, Hasbro mandates from a story bible they supplied the creators (hereby proving that Hasbro's intent was always for it to be part of the new continuity), or am I imagining things again? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:08, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::From what I read about that production bible, it is a result of guys at Hasbro sitting down and "[http://collider.com/roberto-orci-jeff-kline-interview-transformers-prime/75039/ coalescing all the mythologies] that they had institutionally for years. Actually putting it down to paper." It sounds like they were just collecting and not adding new stuff in. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark Energon were added ''after'' it was in the game. And what about timing? Orci said Hasbro put together the bible after the movies came out (in mid 2009). The video game came out in mid 2010 with a video game lead time of ??? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Unless Dark Energon is actually just the new name for Angolmois energy. The name may have been taken from the video game, but the concept could well have been in the production bible before WFC. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:37, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::What a load of supposition and crap. I hereby dub it "crapposition". I can pretty much say that you are completely wrong. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:38, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::::[http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/05/interview-matt-tieger-of-high-moon-studios-on-transformers/ Matt Tieger said] that High Moon started working on WfC when they shipped their "Bourne" game, which according to the accompanying notes was mid-2008, between the first movie and RotF. [http://www.cheatcc.com/extra/interviewtransformerswarforcybertron2.html This interview] talks up the G1 inspiration and then says the WfC storyline is "a completely original story that we made up at High Moon. We worked closely with Hasbro..." The consistent impression I've gotten from several different interviews is that High Moon started from G1 and then made pitches to Hasbro, which Hasbro would provide feedback on, and eventually there was a game. The only people who I've seen actually talk about the 400-page story-bible are the ''Prime'' creators. And if Orci was being literal when he said the bible was put together "after the movie’s came out", then game development would've indeed started earlier. At the very least, it sounds pretty likely that there was some simultaneous creation.
:::::In the end, the chicken-and-egg question is basically moot because either way, WfC is part of the new deal. It doesn't matter who said the words "Dark Energon" first; it's part of the structure that binds all of the pieces, so that's that. But for nitpicking's sake, Starfield's suppositions aren't off-base from the evidence we have. Siph, if you have additional info that clarifies or contradicts any of that, please share.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:44, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::::I, similarly, have found it quite plausible when thinking on the subject to believe that High Moon could have created the idea of Dark Energon, and that Hasbro then said to themselves "We can use THAT!" and put it in the bible. It's certainly outside the realm of possibility, unless you know something we don't, Siph. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:24, 5 March 2011 (EST)

:Because nothing whatsoever can change in the millions of years between the WFC era and the Prime cartoon era. And yeah, good luck sourcing that Aaron claim. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)

== Captured-Prey ads ==

One of the things advertised there appears to be a fan-made Megatron min-figure. Seeing as how everybody was upset that the TFSource ad [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive47#TFsource_ad_buy|featured fansproject stuff]], surely, this isn't right either? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:33, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:Check the section back up this page titled [[#Project_Wonderful_ads|Project Wonderful ads]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:59, 8 March 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen video game character articles - [X] Scout 1, [X] Scout 2 pages for the same design ==

With the upcoming DOTM games, I thought I should look at the ROTF game articles that were abandoned in 2009 and see if I could do anything for them. I believe it was Derik who made this decision, but I am now wondering if it is necessary to have say [[Aerialbot Scout 1]] and [[Aerialbot Scout 2]], [[Omnibot Scout 1]] and [[Omnibot Scout 2]] (and so on) considering "Scout 1" and "Scout 2" are just the two different colour schemes for these mass produced generic, nameless characters who only differ in terms of textures. Any completed articles on these will have different images, but exactly the same information. Isn't that redundant? Should we perhaps just stick both of each under Aeriabot Scout, Omnibot Scout, Stunticon Scout? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:14, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:According to the articles the two Aerialbot Scouts have different health, primary weapon and secondary weapon ratings. Is that enough for separation? I don't know, but it should be considered before making a decision. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::I don't even know where those stats came from - I don't believe the person who filled them in originally ever explained. Were they from a website, article or guide book? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:42, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Found some much needed images, but... ==

I found them on [http://transformersiv.mforos.com/1519135/8979801-transformers-g1-aventuras-y-nostalgias-que-nunca-moriran/ this site], and I don't speak the language (I think it's Spanish) to ask for their permission to use them. The images are covers of the [[Marvel Books]] titles [[Battle at Oil Valley]], [[Summertime Coloring Book]], and [[Super Activity Book]]. That's right we don't even have an article for that last one. They also have page scans of these and other Marvel Books titles. I don't feel right just taking them for our use here and was wondering if someone who spoke the lingo would contact them for us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:21, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Nevermind, Google Chrome finally remembered that it had translational abilities. The poster is offering them for download to all and sundry, so he/she can hardly care if we borrow them. I'll probably still insert a link to the main site out of courtesy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:22, 12 March 2011 (EST)
::After looking at them, I realized that they were Steve Stonebreaker's scans. I have contacted him and received permission to use them here. I'll be adding more soon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Hey, I've got a new user talk page template request... ==
[[Image:Rebirth1 Hardhead and Blurr.jpg|right|thumb|300px|TOO MANY QUOTES]]
Can we have one that reminds folks that every new thing in Transformers that even vaguely reminds you of an old thing in Transformers IS NOT A REFERENCE AND THAT IS NOT HOW REFERENCES WORK AND STOP PUTTING THEM IN THE "TRANSFORMERS REFERENCES" SECTION. Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:18, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:You mean like [[Template:notareference|this]]? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:22, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
::Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:30, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:::Brilliant. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::That's an oldie, but a goodie. Personally, I'm wondering if there's any template that can be set up for the people that just drown episode articles in quotes... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:42, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::I think we'd first need a consensus on how many quotes are appropriate. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:41, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::It's a conversation that needs to be had, I think. You have to take length of the story into account - there are more quotes in a two hour movie than in a twenty five minute episode. I'd put the early cutoff at around five for episodes, though. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:00, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I like the idera of a mximum of 5 per 30 minutes (or part thereof) for Episodes & movies, but what would be a good size for comics? I'd say around 3 per issue, but it breaks down with short issues and back up stories (i.e.e most of the Marvel UK exclusive stuff...) [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 10:19, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I'd set a "soft" limit higher for 30-minute episodes {{m-}} around 10 quotes {{m-}} and I'd allow more than that if the episode was particularly well-written or quotable. I don't think there's any need for a low, hard limit, as I don't think lots of quotes hurt the wiki until we get into "quoting the whole darn episode" territory. Heck, in fact, I might favor a policy of ''judging each quote for itself.'' I.e., if a quote is good/noteworthy/illustrative/funny/wadeva, it can be kept, even if there are two dozen other quotes already. Each must stand on its merits, but there would be no hard cap. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:31, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah, some episodes happen to have a lot of funny/significant/memorable lines, others don't. If we set a hard cap, we might be damning ourselves to a lot of pointless fights over which quotes deserve to be included under the arbitrary limit. I'm more in favor of making a list of criteria that we can point to when we weed lame quotes out.
:::::::::Oh, and I support making a template. ''Prime'' Soundwave is the best character I can think of to use, but Movie Bumblebee or G1 Wreck-Gar would also be appropriate. Or a shot of G1 Soundwave with a tape inside of him? Can't think of a good header, though...
:::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 11:49, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::I mainly suggested it as a starting point because if it comes down to putting each quote in place based on "which one we like more" the talk pages are going to be absolutely horrible. HOW CAN YOU LEAVE OUT MY FAVORITE QUOTE IT IS SO FUNNY AND RELEVANT. The "5 per 30 minutes" is just a suggestion - obviously an episode that's really funny or poignant can get more. Comics issues we could maybe use pagecount as a starting point. But basically, combine the two ideas. A list of criteria is a good idea, but we also need to avoid having like, thirty quotes for a given story, twelve of which are totally shitty. If we get over five-six quotes, it's time to think about trimming, just because seriously, 90% of TF fiction isn't that goddamned quotable - or there are better places for the quotes. "I don't rock and roll - I burn!" belongs on Inferno's page, not on the episode it appeared in. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:51, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::Fair enough. Just so long as the number is sufficiently "soft" that we don't forget that our goal is high quality, not an arbitrarily low quantity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:17, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Exactly. Like I said, I think we can also judiciously use key ''character'' quotes on the ''characters''' pages. Some quotes are very episode/story specific, while others provide insight into a character's personality or mindset. I think that's a good way to winnow the chaff, you know? -hx at work not logged in gotta run
::::::::::::::The 5-6 quotes before we start trimming sounds good, especially if some more individual character based quotes can be moved to the character pages. The big problem I keep seeing with quotes is that too many people want to quote an entire scene. If it goes beyond 3 lines it's probably not what we mean by quote here. And even 3 lines is pushing it. These should really be a single line quip or a two line set up and pay off. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:22, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::::5 to 6 sounds like a good starting point to me as well. Khajidha makes a good point about the definition of quote. That, along with Hooks' point about using key character quotes on that character's article, should be pointed out on [[Help:Example episode article]], once it exists. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:32, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

Ballantine Books

2011-03-14T21:00:32Z

G1MarvelBlaster: Launched a wanted page

[[Image:Dinobots strike back fyf.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Of course, as this is the first book, one wonders what they're striking back for...]]
'''Ballantine Books''' is an American publishing company founded in 1952 and acquired by publishing giant Random House in 1973. They released a series of Transformers [[multipath adventure]] books under the imprint [[Find Your Fate Junior]] books in [[1986]].
==Books==
* [[Dinobots Strike Back]]
* [[Battle Drive]]
* [[Attack of the Insecticons]]
* [[Earthquake (book)|Earthquake]]
* [[Desert Flight]]
* [[Decepticon Poison]]
* [[Autobot Alert!]]
* [[Project Brain Drain]]
* [[The Invisibility Factor]]

==External Links==
* [http://ballantine.atrandom.com Official Website]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballantine_Books Ballantine Books at Wikipedia]
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[[Category:Companies]]
[[Category:Generation 1 multipath adventures]]

Talk:Deus ex Machina

2011-03-14T17:29:42Z

G1MarvelBlaster:

"Ex" may be a preposition, but the Hub website capitalizes it in the title. How much do we care? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:42, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:I've always preferred to capitalize all words in a title, but that's just me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:17, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::We should default to how the title is spelled "canonically," but the general rule is that some words are not capitalized when in titles, such as most prepositions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:04, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:::The problem with ''Prime'' is that it doesn't show episode titles inside the episodes themselves. I guess we could default to the next most official rendition of the title, but I've never liked using websites as the end-to-be-all for anything. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:26, 12 March 2011 (EST)
::::Of course, they'd probably be in all caps. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:34, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:::::What about the info box on the on-screen menu for Comcast? There they spell it with the preposition capitalized. [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 00:41, 13 March 2011 (EST)
::::::Also, the Verizon FiOS DVR system stores by episode titles and also list the episode as "Deus Ex Machina" with the capitalized "Ex" --[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 13:29, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

Is it an error that the kids didn't think to wear gloves or masks when they broke into the museum? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 19:34, 12 March 2011 (EST)

== "It's harvest time." ==

In the "Trivia", it's said that: ''"In the previous episode's promotion for this episode, Starscream utters the line "It's harvest time." while pointing the harvester at something. However that scene is not present in the finished episode."''

After watching the episode, I thought back at that promo; in my opinion, the line ''"It's harvest time"'' (said by Starscream during the episode, when he is still on board the "Nemesis") has been added into the promo in the scene where Starscream points the Energon Harvester towards the Vehicon and activates it.

So, it looks like the scene is not actually missing from the episode. Only that line is missing, for it has been said earlier. --[[User:Sharky7|Sharky7]] 07:54, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Correct. I don't really think this is worth a "Note" line, as it is a longstanding TV and film trailer tradition and has certainly happened in Transformers before. "Depth Charge. Depth Charge. Depth Charge? IIIIIIIIIII LIKE THAT! It's not revenge I'm looking for. Ignore the pain!" --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:19, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:: That's what I've been thinking, too. I guess that that note in "Trivia" may be removed then, since no error occured actually. --[[User:Sharky7|Sharky7]] 10:11, 12 March 2011 (EST)

== Battle Damage = Animation Error? ==

When Bulkhead grabs the harvester from Starscream, he yanks it out of 'Scream's hand and then punches him into a wall. Otherwise, Starscream seems undamaged. Just before Starscream retreats, however, his arm appears to be covered in glowing red wounds of some kind—well, I think that's what they are. Hard for me to tell on my recording. At any rate, the arm doesn't look the same as it did when the harvester was taken from him. Error, or am I overlooking something obvious?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:10, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:That's his arm cannon that also appeared in "Darkness Rising, Part 4". Yes, his face didn't have any chips or cracks at all when he retreated, which was an odd oversight. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 05:36, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::In my opinion, it looks like in this series plenty of robots can recover pretty quickly from their damages. In the last part of "Darkness Rising", Arcee is carried back through the GroundBridge by Bumblebee barely alive (as Ratchet looks at the Autobot's energy signatures, reading one of those as "very faint"). A few seconds later not only she regains consciousness, but she is also able to stand on her feet.

::In other episodes (i.e. Con Job), some robots are shown with a trail of coughed up energon close to their mouths (namely: Starscream and Makeshift -disguised as Wheeljack-), but it takes only a change of scene to get rid of said trail and be fine again. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see also Starscream recovering that fast from Bulkhead's punch. --[[User:Sharky7|Sharky7]] 08:37, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome

2011-03-14T17:25:36Z

G1MarvelBlaster: Synopsis. There ust be a better term than Megatron-gun though.

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|seriesissue=''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' #17
|prev=Revenge of the Decepticons Part 3: Woken Furies
|next=Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5
|title="Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome"
|image=IDW TF 17b.jpg|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[March 9]], [[2011]]
|coverdate=March 2011
|written by=[[Mike Costa]]
|art by=[[Alex Milne]]
|colors by=[[Andrew Dalhouse]] and [[Romulo Fajardo]]
|letters by=[[Shawn Lee]]
|assistant editor=[[Carlos Guzman]]
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}}

'''Things continue to go downhill for the Autobots, as Megatron holds Ultra Magnus hostage.'''

==Synopsis==
''Trapped underwater in Optimus Prime's trailer, Spike is unconvinced about the Autobot's supposed ability to manufacture oxygen to keep the men alive. Spike then begins lamenting about being unable to contact his sister to his equally trapped [[Skywatch]] compatriots. As he says this, ocean water comes pouring through the gaps in the trailer.''

Presently, Spike awakens in a sweat in Prime's cab, no longer underwater. After Joe Henderson asks bout the health of his commanding officer, Spike comments that it's going to take some time for his brain to stop reliving their recent aquatic plight. Composing hismelf, Spike orders Henderson to check for communications from the Skywatch base in Albuquerque, [[New Mexico]]. Joe does so, and sees that in addition to the expected offline distress call, there is another message encoded underneath that Prime is going to want to see.

The message plays, and a projection of Megatron appears, greeting Prime, who the Decepticon tyrant knows will still be alive to receive this message. The same can not be said of some of the Autobot troops, notably Ultra Magnus, and Skywatch personnel mustered against Megatron. Megatron ends the message not by threatening to kill Prime, but to destroy him, stating that the Autobots will know the difference. After Optimus verifies that the message came from near a population center, the Autobots and Skywatch personnel roll out, despite the ammo shortages, power depletion and fatigue affecting all of them.

Outside of Albuquerque, Brawn is forced to abandon his prisoner, Starscream, and take his wounded ally Thundercracker to get repairs from [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]]. Not far away, Prime and his group of Autobots rendezvous with Megatron and Soundwave. Megatron tells Prime to lower his weapons as they can do no harm to the Decepticon leader's new form. Megatron then gloats that in the city, there are 46 people armed with weapons derived from his previous body, and hundreds more scattered across the planet. Optimus dismisses these people as renegades that mean nothing and claims they Cybertronians can learn much for the humans, an idea that Megatron scoffs at. Megatron claims that the only things the Autobots will learn is how they've brought ruin to themselves. Prime asks if this is how it's always going to be, a philosophical disagreement and then the punching starts. Megatron answers no, this time things have changed. rather than kill Prime, he wants to destroy him. To this end, Megatron had dumped the wounded and incapacitated Autobots in the city fifteen minutes earlier.

Knowing that if his troops take on non-military humans in their own cities they'll never be accepted on Earth, Prime sends Spike and Campologno to find his cohorts, ordering Jazz to transport them as he's the fastest of the group. Prime admits to Metaron that he doesn't trust all humans, but he does trust Spike.

Driving through the city, Spiek hears via the radio that Megtaron dumped the wounded Autobots on a school playground. At the playground, there are two men with Megtaron-derived guns aiming at the Autobots. Several policemen with regular sidearms have the Megatron-gun wielders in their sights. Gears is trying to get the humans to stand down so that nobody on either side gets hurt, but the Autobot's message isn't getting through. Spike pulls up in Jazz, disembarks and tells the police that he's taking operational command and that the first priority is evacuating the area so that no people get hurt. An officer on the scene ignores Spike and orders teh assembled police to hold their fire, despite protestations from a wounded elderly fellow officer.

Back outside the city, Megatron is telling Prime that he can feel the renegade humans getting ready to fire on the Autobots. This leads prime to conclude that he Decepticon hasn't left this to chance and must be communicating somehow through the Cybertronian weaponry. Prime charges up his [[ion blaster]]. Megatron reminds Optimus that it won't hurt him. Optimus knows and blasts Soundwave through the head, deactivating both the Decepticon communications officer and the signals broadcasting into the Megatron-guns. Megatron is predictably enraged, and threatens to destroy Prime's [[spark]] with his bare hands. Megatron stops himself, statign that while he may have lost one soldier, Prime is going to lose ''everything''. With that statement, Megatron then scoops up Soundwave's body and leaves.

Back in the city, the gun wielders are a little disoriented now that the "voices" have stopped. They are subsequently disarmed and detained rather easily. However, the policeman who gave the order to hold fire earlier now has one of the Megatron-guns and says hat while the renegades may have been insane, they were not wrong, and points the Megatron-gun at Bumblebee. Bumblebee tries to reason with the man, but an impatient Jazz disobeys Prime's order to stand down, transforms and creeps up on the situation. Right as the man goes to squeeze the trigger on the Megatron-gun, Jazz fires his [[photon rifle]] at the human, engulfing him in flames. A horrified Bumblebee asks a shaken Jazz what he just did...

==Featured characters==

{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (6)
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (7)
*[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] (8)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (9)
*[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (10)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (11)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (12)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (13)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (14)
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] (17)
*[[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (19)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (20)
*[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] (21)
*[[Bluestreak (G1)|Silverstreak]] (22)
*[[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (23)
|c2=
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (5)
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (15)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (16)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (18)
|c3=
* [[Campologno]] (1)
* [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (2)
* [[Joe Henderson]] (3)
* [[Schwalbe]] (24)
}}

==Quotes==

==Errors==
* Optimus is the only Autobot to have faction symbols on page 3.
* The first panel of page 12 seems to be either missing a dialog balloon before Megatron says" Or you can..." or that "Or" is an extra word that needed to be deleted.
* Blurr, Tracks, and Windcharger are mysteriously absent in the group that Megatron leaves on the school playground, even though were seen last issue.
*On Page 12, Campologno is mis-spelled as "Campolongo"
* On page 14, third panel, Silverstreak's shoulder is mistakenly colored orange.
* And on the subject of colors, in the pages colored by Andrew Dalhouse, Jazz's visor is G1 blue, but in the pages colored by Romulo Fajardo, they're colored like his [[Jazz (Movie)|movie counterpart's]]. Also, Red Alert's helmet is colored red (like in the cartoon), whereas the previous Earth-based story had him with a black helmet (his figure).

==Items of note==
* Burning Chrome is the name of a 1982 short story (and later written short story collection) by William Gibson.
* Red Alert is seen with Prime's team from [[Korea]], while [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] is nowhere to be found. It's possible the Korean unit reconnected with the other Autobots on Earth (besides those with Ultra Magnus) between this issue and the last, but this isn't clearly indicated from the context.

===Covers (3)===
* '''Cover A:''' Soundwave holding Ultra Magnus hostage; art by [[Marcelo Matere]] and colors by [[Priscilla Tramontano]]
* '''Cover B:''' A devastated Jazz near a dead cop; art by [[Nick Roche]] and colors by [[James Brown|J. Brown]].
* '''Cover RI:''' Concept art of Soundwave by Marcelo Matere.
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MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2011-03-14T14:19:44Z

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This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

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* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving|Arriving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving|Leaving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|Complaints]]
 <div class="list-header">'''New Ad Policy:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads|Ads]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Bookworm Database-Crash:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central|Damage Control Central]]
* [[Project:Bookworm Crash]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving2|Leaving Take 2]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Server Move:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2|Arriving Take 2]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Relicensing:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
 <div class="list-header">'''GoBots Sister Wiki:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
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==Didn't we have a Transformers Appearances/References in Other Media page?==
I could have sworn we did, mentioning stuff like Family guy etc. If we don't have such a page, would it be allowed to be created? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 11:53, 18 December 2010 (EST)
:Unless it's officially sanctioned by Hasbro, no, we do not mention Transformer appearances in other media. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:54, 18 December 2010 (EST)
:: If it ever existed, it would have been destroyed with fire in about 30 seconds. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::: Of course, if we did have such a page, we could use it as a lighting rod, keep anons from adding something to Soundwave's page every time Seth Green says the word "transformers." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:28, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::::Of course, NO. Discussion over. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:45, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::::Discussion not quite over. If the unofficial nature of the topic is the reason why it is not allowed, then there are several articles that already exist that are pushing boundaries on the wiki. I would have thought that the biggest problem would be it's size.[[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 09:26, 20 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Yeah, that'd be the other big reason. There's so many such references it would be impossible to keep track of them all. It would also involve making sure what's added there is actually a TF reference. And given all the Toms, Dicks and Harrys that'll come out of the woodwork to add such stuff, that's going to be more trouble than not having a page. Best not to get a larger headache for the sake of reducing a smaller one. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 12:44, 20 December 2010 (EST)

=="Knockoff warning" for toy sections?==
Just something that occurred to me... as I skimmed this page http://www.highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 and looked at alllllll the "could be mistaken for real and paid stupid money for" knockoffs... is there any objection to some form of link to this in the relevant toy sections? Sadly, the page lacks a "jump to" feature of any kind, but alerting people to the potential danger of dropping several hundred on what they think is a genuine Defensor box set... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:50, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:I think it skirts the line with our "we don't really discuss knockoffs" policy, but on the other hand, yeah, it's a useful bit of information, almost to the point where we could stand to have a special page about ''these specific knockoffs''. I am not opposed to adding a link to that site, no, as long as it's got a massive and specific caveat attached to it (maybe even with a special template box thing ("A Prime Problem"-themed perhaps?)). Hell, maybe the highendtfs people would be willing to throw up navigation in exchange for the inevitable deluge of hits - anyone got contact info for the owner? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:11, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::It's worth noting that there are some very well-done Henkei seekers knockoffs now, too. The really expensive ones even, like Thundercracker. Their sections could use warnings as well. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:56, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::Are they in knockoff PACKAGING that is meant to look like the real thing? That's the really tricky part. G1 MIB shit is much, much more expensive. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:27, 19 December 2010 (EST)
::::Yes, they are: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/buyer-beware-update-on-ko-henkei-seekers/20380/ -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:03, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::I am not sure I want to attach more template boxes to pages as is. Especially over something like knockoffs. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:55, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::I'd ''thought'' about a template, but... ehn. I think a simple link under the TFU.info (or whatever), perhaps with a bolded "'''Knockoff alert'''" text. Like...

::::*''[http://www.highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 '''Knockoff alert''': More information on packaged imitations of this toy at HighendTFs.com]''

:::Thoughts? This would ONLY cover stuff that is in packaging meant to deceive you by looking as real as they can get it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:05, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::::I could agree with that. This is a step beyond your standard knock off crap, some notice might be appropriate.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:44, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::::I think it is a good idea to have it, since it is useful. This is different from putting info of some KO or unlicensed products on the page. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:49, 19 December 2010 (EST)

== Extension:Oversight ==

Quite a few times I've seen admins delete and undelete pages to clean out bad revisions. Why they do this I have no idea, since we have [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight the Oversight extension] installed.

Perhaps we should look into granting some people "oversighter" access? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:09, 25 December 2010 (EST)
:I've just noticed that deleting and then restoring pages in the manner mentioned above has the side effect of resetting a page's page views stats, so that's another point in favour of the Oversight extension. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:40, 11 January 2011 (EST)

== Wikipedia, revisited ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#The_.22Campaign_of_Deletion.22_against_the_Transformers_Wiki_Project_by_NotARealWord_and_TFWiki.net]

Just in case anyone's interested. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 10:54, 5 January 2011 (EST) (-Blackout-, can't be bothered to log back in)
:NEWSFLASH: Nobody cares. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:21, 5 January 2011 (EST)

== Captcha to prevent spambots? ==

Is there any way we could implement captcha to account creation to prevent the spambot problem we're having now? I've seen other wikis use that measure. Maybe also disable new page creation by anons? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:56, 6 January 2011 (EST)
:We already have CAPTCHA implemented on the account creation service. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 13:09, 6 January 2011 (EST) (-Blackout-, can't be bothered to log in)
::Never mind, then! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:30, 6 January 2011 (EST)

== Real world events by day Category ==

These of course comprise every date of the year. However, I notice recently people have been adding fictional events to these dates. That basically invalidates the Category, since it's no longer comprised of only real-world events. The fictional events should be moved out into another section, or the category name should be changed to "Events by day". Thoughts? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 22:01, 9 January 2011 (EST)
:I agree with changing to "Events by day". I would also support having separate fictional and real world sections on the pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:38, 9 January 2011 (EST)

== Project Wonderful ads ==

Um, guys, I found there [http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/uploads/pics/53018-1293943633.gif Non-official products] in the ads of CapturedPrey. I know the small ads are showing up randomly (and may not be controllable since we can't regulate them), but I think it is still need to be reported here. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:04, 16 January 2011 (EST)
: I don't mind them in the non-permanent ads. TFSource used them all the time in their ads before we made them permanent sponsors. It was only when we made them a permanent sponsor did we ask to make them free of third-party product. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:57, 16 January 2011 (EST)

== Games <strike>fiction</strike> ==

Okay, now that [[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] has flooded the character pages with stubs for 30 years worth of crappy Transformers games, can we reconsider how the Games sections are treated? I really don't think in-universe fiction descriptions are the way to handle it. [[War for Cybertron]] may've had a plot, but the majority of TF games are more in the vein of "hit things until they stop coming". A fiction section makes even less sense for games where the character selection is variable. ''"[[Hardhead (G1)#Transformers:_The_Headmasters|Hardhead]] may (or may not) have been present at this battle. Or this one. Or this..."'' Ditto for generic drone soldiers. Isn't there a way to address the games without trying to craft a sensical fiction for them? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 08:46, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:I agree. The games should appear as merchandise on all relevant characters pages, but there is no need for a fiction write up for most games on those same pages. A generic write up on the game page should suffice. Something like "An Autobot warrior participated in a battle...", with a character box listing all potential "Autobot warriors" (aka playable characters). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:21, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::Moving games to merchandise sounds awful. It would result in amazing amounts of lost information. I have no idea what doing that would solve. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:44, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::I think it depends on the game - for example in the ROTF console game, while you CAN play as multiple characters, the game provides a suggested one for you. IMO, that's who "actually" did the stuff depicted in the game (and the opposing side's campaign generally suggests it as well). When you can just pick from a half-dozen dudes and it doesn't matter, then maybe a brief summary of the game's plot and a note. "Jerkwagon was one of many Autobots involved in blah blah plot synopsis bluh. NOTE: Such-and-such game allowed players to choose multiple protagonists, including Jerkwagon." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:19, 25 January 2011 (EST)
I agree that Games should be their own section -- there's certainly enough of them, and they should be treated differently than keychains and what-not. But I think an out-of-universe description of the games would be better in most cases. Instead of having to write vague text like ''"As Ultra Magnus searched for the truth behind Optimus Prime's death, he battled Trypticon in a game of death and suffering."'', which is about all the plot I could wrangle out of [[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Convoy no Nazo]] and tells you virtually nothing, we could write something more informative, like ''"Trypticon is the boss of Stage 10."'', and describe what actually happens in the game instead of trying to make it sound like believable fiction. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 11:29, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:::My personal view on the matter is, from a character's page, I should be able to find EVERY place that character has appeared. And when we do list guys having an appearance when they're most likely an animation error in the far-background of an episode, I don't think there's any excuse to NOT list an appearance of a character wherever he might appear, including board and video games. Is that a lot of work? Yeah. But beneath all the jokes that make this place so great, this is still an encyclopedia, and purposely leaving out information out of an encyclopedia is wrong. Though I think Hooper X has the right idea... I doesn't have to be the most super-extensive write up. Heck, I was even going to suggest just having a link saying "See Return of Convoy article" or something like that. Also: I apologize if I had started getting very sloppy last night, but looking back, it was like 5 in the morning by the time I finished up. Yikes. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:10, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::I totally agree that the games should be dealt with on the character pages. I'm just looking for an option other than a completely in-fiction description. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 15:14, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::: The first idea that comes to mind is having a subsection called "Gameplay" or something like that for each game write-up, something that would be similar to a note? Though really, my main solution for stuff like that has been, up to this point, to just stick a couple of notes in the game write-up, like on [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s page. I'll keep on trying to think up other solutions though... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 15:26, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::Storylinks already serve as that, so what's the point of another link? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:47, 25 January 2011 (EST)

== Fiction order guide? ==

I've been over the Style guides a few times trying to find if a page like this already exists, but it doesn't look like it. I'll be the first to admit that when adding in new fiction/game subsections to a character's article, I sometimes confuse and probably put them out of order. So I've been wondering if a page that lists every fictional work and game in the proper order of each other would be a good idea? On one hand, it seems like an ABSURD amount of work for a style guide, one that would have to be CONSTANTLY updated as new things come out. On the other hand, it would be very handy to have a list to reference for character pages. Especially because it can get VERY frustrating trying to hunt down which book/cartoon/whatever came first in the same year. For those who don't understand what I'm talking about, here's an example I quickly put together, using the [[Cheetor (BW)]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] pages as reference.

When listing a character's media appearances, use this sorting order:
*Fiction
**Generation 1 Marvel Comics continuity
**Generation 1 S.T.A.R.S. pack-in flyers
**Generation 1 cartoon continuity
**Generation 1 Kid Stuff Talking Story Books
**Generation 1 Big Looker Story Books
**Generation 1 Ladybird Books continuity
**''Transformers in 3-D''
**''Transformers PD Type'' comic
**''Comic Bom Bom G-2'' comic
**Beast Wars First wave toy bios
**Beast Wars Cartoon continuity
***Dawn of Future's Past
***''Beast Wars'' cartoon
***Fast Action Battlers toyline
***3H ''Tales from the Beast Wars'' comics
***IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics
***''Transformers Legends'' anthology
***''Beast Machines'' cartoon
***''Beast Machines'' toy bio
***''Universe'' comic
***''Beast Wars Metals'' comic
***Beast Wars ''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in comic
**Generation 1 Dreamwave comics continuity
**''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''
**''Transformers/G.I. Joe''
**Generation 1 IDW comics continuity
**''Hearts of Steel''
**''Music Label''
**''Henkei! Henkei!'' (pack-in comic)
**''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bun Bun manga
**Alternity
**''Robot Heroes'' comic
**''Universe'' cartoon
**Wings of Honor

Is this a good idea? Would anyone actually like to see this kind of thing, or would I just be putting a whole bunch of work into something we don't need? --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:28, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:We do need standardization of section names. The section order, however, depends on order in which the character appeared in those continuities in the real world. Then the subsections are ordered by the fictional chronology. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:35, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::No wonder I get confused by this fiction order thing. @_@ I guess I might just be one of those people that will never get the hang of some of these things. And yeah, the section names was definitely something else I wanted to tackle, since I've seen at times no less than four different ways to refer to a certain media. I sometimes have to check the storylinks at the end to be sure it's all part of the same story! --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:45, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::Note that, within a continuity, flashbacks and time travel can mean that experiential fictional chronology for one character requires a different order of headings than for another. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:16, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:::In regards to standardization, I have an idea. What if we create a list of headers (kept on this page perhaps) used on Optimus Prime (G1)'s page (probably has the greatest number of different headers), use that as our initial standards list, then update it as we find other headers or decide to change the existing standards? Once we think we've covered the majority of possibilities, we could move it to a help page and make it official policy. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:49, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::::I put together [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections|a sandbox along these lines]] a couple of years ago. It hasn't been updated in quite a while, and I'm not sure it was ever actually complete, and it was the subject of [[User_talk:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections|a bit of debate]]... but there it is, for what it's worth. (Also, I support standardization of headers, but I've run into [[Talk:Ricochet_(Headmasters)#Header|some]] [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive22#Section_naming_conventions|opposition]] over the nitty-gritty before, so best of luck.) - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:11, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Foreign name reorganization ==

Is there any chance we could consider moving the foreign names somewhere else in the article other than at the top? We've already established a new standard for episodes, but characters could stand to have their names moved to their own dedicated section, likely under "Notes". There, we could add things like kana and Cyrillic forms of names not different from the English version. Opinions? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 4 February 2011 (EST)
:I'm in favor of it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:33, 4 February 2011 (EST)

::All things considered, since this is (mostly) an english-centric wiki when it comes to stuff, the foreign names do come off as being interesting trivia more than anything else. I'm in favour of this too. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:37, 4 February 2011 (EST)

:I'm fine with where they are now, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:39, 4 February 2011 (EST)

:I can see the logic in them being moved down to notes. You've got an in-universe profile, then a bunch of out-of-universe names, then the in-universe fiction section. The only argument I have against it is that I'm used to seeing the foreign names at the top. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:05, 4 February 2011 (EST)

::If it can be moved downward (to the first entry of the notes section or a new section after the notes section) instead of being on the top, MOVE it. Originally, I'm fine withe where they are {{m-}} but that would be a character with fewer foreign names. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 19:55, 4 February 2011 (EST)
Any further opinions on this? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:36, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:What about cases where some of the extra names at the top are English, e.g. Omni Productions names, or preliminary or nicknames? Would they remain at the top or become notes too? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:29, 21 February 2011 (EST)
::The Malay dub still technically counts as foreign in my mind. Nicknames should be integrated in the introduction (or notes section), and preliminary names should have been in notes in the first place, since they aren't the characters' "real names" in any sense. Further elaboration of the preliminary names better suits the notes section, anyway. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:43, 21 February 2011 (EST)
Japanese names are often for a character in a slightly different continuity. Like "Fire Convoy" is a Car Robots character and "Optimus Prime" is an RID character, but they share the same page. Or "Flame Convoy" is a Galaxy Force character but "Scourge" is a Cybertron character. In that case they should have the Japanese name up top. The names that are just different language versions of the English character can go on bottom. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:18, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:... no. ''Cybertron'' and ''Galaxy Force'' are NOT different stories (Takara officially put GF back in the same timeline as the prior two series), and the ''RID/CR'' split is a unique case. In neither case should the names go up top. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:44, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::They are slightly different continuities. Galaxy Force doesn't have the [[Omega Frequency]] for example. And the Grand Black Hole is different. And the [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] is different. [[Blaster (G1)|Broadcast]] never became Twincast in English. I think Japanese names are a special case and deserve to be on top since Japanese toyline & fiction continuity is always slightly separate. But I can hit the "end" key on the keyboard easy enough. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:56, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:::Every single foreign language version of something is technically a slightly different continuity, strictly due to the nature of translation. This is not a arena in which Galaxy Force is unique. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:01, 23 February 2011 (EST)

== Commercial Appearances section ==

Alright, so I plan later on to start going through characters' pages and add in a "Commercial Appearances" section where it applies (sorry, I can't this weekend... homework to do!). Several characters already have this section and a lot of these commercials have nice short animations or other interesting characterizations and tidbits that I think they bear to be included in the characters' pages. Although, much like the Games sections, I'll only be able to marginally help by adding in the section itself to let people know that there's work to be done on a character's page... MY computer is so incredibly shitty that I can't even play videos off youtube. D:

But anyways, the reason I'm bringing this up here is because before I get started, I'd like to discuss what kind of format we want for this section, so it can be done right the first time around. Obviously, where it applies, stuff like indicating who the voice actor for the character makes sense, but should the write-up be in-universe or not? Since commercials fluctuate between using a short animation telling a mini-story and just being a straight-up commercial saying "buy this toy!" should a combination of both in-universe and out-of-universe description be used? And should we count the parts where the kids brandish their action figures and talk for the character as dialog spoken by the character? That's all the questions on the subject I can really think of for now... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 15:12, 6 February 2011 (EST)
:I would write up the animation segments in-universe so long as they're unique to the commercial (i.e. not just recycled footage from one of the cartoons). Anything else that's notable enough could qualify for an out of universe note. But I wouldn't bother with recycled animation or the kids talking for the figures. That doesn't qualify as fiction to me.
:In regards to your inability to view the commercials, would it help if you could download them in some fashion and then watch them offline? Maybe burn the videos to a DVD disc? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:43, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, any clips taken from pre-existing mediums would be redundant from those scenes being already covered in other sections on that character's page. Personally though, I'm still on the fence about the kids talking for the figures... I find it comparable to botcon script readings in a way... People just talking out loud for a character without any accompanying animation... I'm prone to be swayed either way. As for me viewing the commercials themselves, my spring break is a week from now. I might have access to a better computer then, but otherwise I'll just be putting in information already available on the wiki to the appropriate pages throughout the week, I guess. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 17:53, 6 February 2011 (EST)

==How to resolve monster debates?==
[[User:-Blackout-]]'s recent meltdown over being prevented from editing [[Goldbug (IDW)]] has made me think again about how policy/content discussions tend to go on this wiki. It's a big part of why I haven't been around since last summer: I found myself perpetuating these miles-long debates that few cared to read, everyone was irritated by, and most importantly ''were impossible to resolve.''

That Goldbug article is a sterling example. Right now, people are talking about it as if the [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive1|giant]] [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive2|debate]] had resolved in favor of the current setup, so changing the article at this point is taboo because it "was dealt with already." But that's not how it went at all. Blackout's dickishly unilateral edit-war was definitely the Wrong Way to reopen this, but it's also wrong to pretend that we had achieved consensus or closure on the issue.

At [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive2#Breaking down the problem|the end of the debate]], I had restated the case for [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Goldbug (G1)|my "Goldbug (G1)" sandbox]], which is definitely different from the current setup, and 6 other people declared support for it while 2 objected at length. But the objectors were also against the current setup: Jeysie wanted the toy gone, and Derik wanted... something inscrutable and Deriky. Combining those numbers with the [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive1#Vote Tally|premature vote]] that had been taken earlier (and adjusting for the voters who changed their minds by the end), I count:

Sandbox: 8 
Sandbox with modifications: 3 
Current page: 7 
Current page without the toy: 2

That's not consensus. That's deadlock. In fact, there were fewer votes to keep the page as-is than there were to change it in some fashion. The current setup didn't win out in terms of votes, logic, precedent, or any other measure: It won out because it was what happened to be there when the debate died of exhaustion.

So we're stuck with an awkward page that most people want to be different, encased in concrete forevermore. I don't see any way out of this situation, and I've watched the same principle play out with other debates too many times. At the very least, I wonder if it would be helpful to have a Template:Deadlock that we could slap on inconclusive debates (with a picture of [[Drift (G1)|Deadlock]], natch) so people know the true state of things.

Taking that idea further, maybe it could come with a period of enforced moratorium – say, two weeks – followed by a revote and/or a formalized "final statements" opportunity? The most extreme option I can think of is to create a "council of elders" that has the community-bestowed power to resolve intractable debates and declare relevant policy principles. Basically, a Supreme Court. I do worry that creating an authoritative heirarchy might produce even more problems, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

Thoughts? Other ideas?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:20, 9 February 2011 (EST)
: This whole argument goes to the heart of what we mean when we say two characters are "the same". The Bumblebee toy was produced and fiction was made to promote that toy, thus all of those fictions (which differ from each other) are about "the same" character. The Goldbug toy was produced with a tech spec that stated that it was "the same" character as Bumblebee. Fiction was produced to promote that toy, thus all those varying depictions of Goldbug are "the same" character as Bumblebee. The same argument applies to the differing backstories of Optimus Prime; Orion Pax and Optronix are "the same" character because they both are earlier forms of the character that was used to promote the sale of the Optimus Prime toy. The problem comes in with later stories that are not produced to promote those original toys. How do we decide what is the same? When is a character "the same character under different circumstances/in a different universe" and when is it simply an homage character? I really can't see how others see the IDW Goldbug as "the same" character as the original toy and not (as I see him) as a simple homage character. Under their viewpoint the toy belongs, under mine it doesn't. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:15, 10 February 2011 (EST)

: I NOMINATE MYSELF AS FINAL ARBITER AND SUPREME OVERLORD. all decisions will be made based on what amuses me the most. (seriously, we probably ought to have some kind of "no consensus" tag for articles like that.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:58, 10 February 2011 (EST)

Mmm...probably best not to restart the Goldbug debate itself here, Khajidha -- that would quickly distract from what Jackpot's actually asking here, which is how debates should be resolved ''in general''.

Some of the basic rules we already follow should remain. No "edit-warring"...leave it up to the Talk Pages to hash out the problem. I don't think a mere two weeks is enough to give people time to change their minds, though, especially in this crowd. One thing I notice is that despite dozens of regular contributors and hundreds overall, most Talk Page or Community Portal votes I've seen have less than 20 votes at the end. Many of these debates fly right under the radar. I'm relatively active here, but the Goldbug (IDW) chaos completely passed me by.

What about, when a Talk Page debate has clearly reached an impasse between <strike>obstinant</strike> strong-willed parties, a Vote is taken on the ''Main Page''? Some sort of easy-to-see box temporarily added to the Main Page, "above the fold" so that its visible to all visitors when they enter? It would be more noticeable than if the vote is hidden away on a single Talk Page people may or may not see. Something like ''"A [[Deadlock]] has arisen! Choose from the following choices: Should [[Goldbug (IDW)]] have the G1 toy on his page? Yes or No? (See the Goldbug (IDW) Talk Page for the full debate.)"''

I realize many debates won't be as simple as Yes or No, but if the debating parties agree in advance how to phrase the Voting Box, it could be a useful tool. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 13:07, 10 February 2011 (EST)

:Yeah, wasn't really trying to restart that debate. Was bringing up questions about general character debates, as they seem to occur quite often. But other debates also bog down, so I recognize that my questions don't apply to those debates.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:35, 10 February 2011 (EST)

:I like the idea of keeping a debate in the regulars' faces until a decision has been reached by enough people (at least 20? 25?). Many debates I keep away from because I think they'll disappear anyway and my vote doesn't really matter <s>and I also can't deal all that well with the aggressive nature of most debates, making it actively a lose-only situation if I'd enter</s>. I'm not sure if others feel that way, but I imagine this would be a boost for all to participate. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:23, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::I absolutely disagree with the premise that people who don't care enough to read the argument should have it shoved in their face until they vote. AT MOST, we should mention it somewhere prominent, like the community portal. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:53, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:::I agree that essentially putting a ballot on the front page is asking for trouble. You might get the dozens of votes you're looking for, but they'll all be uninformed gut reactions. One of the reasons these debates happen is that issues can be much more complicated and subtle than they seem at first glance. Plus one would hope that the reasoning behind the winning option would help develop our policies, but if the decisions are made by the majority of an explicitly uninformed mob, it's hard to glean any substantial precedent out of that.
:::But I think an approach like that ''could'' be combined with my "final statements" suggestion. Thinking out loud here: After a cooling-off period has been declared and a set amount of time has passed, anyone who wants to present a case can write up a defense of his or her preferred option. Those are all submitted to a neutral volunteer, who then posts them simultaneously on the relevant Talk page, and those become the voting choices. No replies are allowed, only votes. We put a notice up at least on the Community Portal, possibly on the Main Page, for another set time period, then close voting and go with the majority.
:::How does that sound? Like I said, thinking out loud, so suggestions are more than welcome.
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:18, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::::Sounds pretty good to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:19, 11 February 2011 (EST)

==How featured articles are chosen==
On a side note, would a box like that also be useful to start a voting system for featured pages? Because I'm fine with Drift and Wreck-Gar and all others before, but I am absolutely clueless as to who chose them to become featured for what reasons. I'd like to see a better system for that. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:23, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: If there was a recently-completed article that's of respectable length, I choose it. The pool for featured articles is pretty damn small. Not many articles are finished, and the ones that are finished have usually already been Featured Articles already. Finished articles don't happen very frequently, so sometimes we find one that's close to completion near the end of a month and then push to finish it before the month is over. Sometimes we think a subject or a character is timely (like around BotCon, or before an episode or movie premiere) and push for that. If you want a heads up, Chris McFeely's [[Matrix of Leadership]] article is so totally March's. (I think Chris has the record for number of articles he's completed which have become featured.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:31, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: Long story short, if you want an article to be featured, finish it. That means photos for every toy and known merchandise, and storylinks (with summaries) to every piece of fiction they've appeared in. Behind the scenes information helps. The longer and more involved the article, the more appealing it is. Meaning, finishing an article for a Mini-Con who showed up in the background somewhere, or finishing an article for someone who doesn't have any illutrated appearances... these are probably not going to be featured. But people like Perceptor (G1) or Side Burn (RID) or High Wire (Armada) have enough about them to say to make an interesting featured article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:36, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: "Long story short," my ass. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:37, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:: Have we done any episodes as Featured yet? I know the over-arching "Target 2006" article was chosen once. You'd think we could get, say [[Code of Hero]] up to that standard pretty quickly. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:42, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:::I really think we need to get [[BotCon]] up to that standard. We're pretty close! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:22, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:::[[B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.]] is a Featured article about an episode. [[User:Excise|Excise]] 00:00, 16 February 2011 (EST)

== Letterers ==
On images of comic pages, do we credit the ''letterers'' by placing the image in an "Image by Letterer Name" category? We've got a few contradictory examples around. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:32, 12 February 2011 (EST)
:Okay, three options: For images currently in categories like "Images by Mike Scott" (where Mike Scott is a letterer), we can:
:# Create the category and treat letterers just like artists, inkers, and colorists.
:# Instead place them in a "Images ''lettered'' by Mike Scott" category.
:# Remove the category, and not attempt to categorize images by letterer.
:I'm probably going to go with option 3 barring dissent. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:25, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::I added galleries to a few of the pages for letterers (eg [[Bill Oakley]], [[Peri Godbold]]) on the basis that lettering can make or [[:Image:Cryotekmrrghmraghmrugghagh.jpg|break]] a comic. As well as adding the text, the letterer has to pick where the balloons will go and place, them, so they do have a large degree of control over how the comic turns out. That said, I don't know that we need to categorise images by letterer. The original intention was [[:Category talk:Images by artist|not to]], but it looks like we ended up doing it anyway, and at least one template is set up to put images into category by letterer. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:44, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I'd vote for option 3 as well.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 22:02, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::I'm leaning towards option 3 myself. My reasoning is that even though letterers can have a large effect on a comic, I don't see too many people wanting to find every image lettered by a given letterer. The galleries, on the other hand, are useful for demonstrating the quality of an individual's work. So those should be used. While the obsessive in me thinks we should categorize images by every applicable characteristic, it's not realistic. I don't think it benefits us enough to go through all that work for categories that only a few people might find useful. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 01:09, 17 February 2011 (EST)
'Kay, I'm going to go with option 3. This may involve editing a template or two. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:35, 17 February 2011 (EST)

== Categories by toy size class? ==
Do we ''want'' the following categories?
 Leader class toy images
 Deluxe class toy images
 Voyager class toy images
 Scout class toy images
 They currently have a very few things in them (and could obviously have many more), but the cat' pages themselves have not been created. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 12 February 2011 (EST)

:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:13, 12 February 2011 (EST)

::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:06, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:::As long as it's only the images and not the articles, I couldn't care less. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:09, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:There's also a "Legends class toy images" category which has 90 images in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:21, 15 February 2011 (EST)

::Legends are kind of an exception because they're a different scale/play pattern, as evidenced by the upcoming Cyberverse stuff. Scouts-on-up are ''generally'' meant to intermingle, Legends aren't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:41, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I could go either way on this one. It's a lot of work to fill these categories out, but the ability to find all the Deluxe figures easily intrigues me. If we did institute this I would also think that this would be the proper place to put the "exclusive figure" categories and such. Basically, any category that pertains to a particular toy and not to the character could be tagged to the image of that toy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:08, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:I've been doing them because I saw other people do them. I don't mind either way. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:51, 16 February 2011 (EST)
So, counting me as "no", that's three "no"s, an "I don't care", an "I don't mind either way", and an "either way/intrigues me". I think we're leaning toward "no". Final comments? [[User:JW|JW]] 07:08, 16 February 2011 (EST)

::I guess it's "no" or at least "not the time"? (Though I'm "I'm not sure".) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:21, 16 February 2011 (EST)
:::I've gone with "no", and added a note to that effect to [[Transformers_Wiki:Images]]. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:27, 16 February 2011 (EST)

Ha ha, none of the no's have actually said why they've said no. Such super debating skills that. [[Special:Contributions/213.105.226.130|213.105.226.130]] 17:44, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Undo Redone? ==

I just undid an edit, but instead of getting the automatic "Reverting edit ##### by User1 to last version by User2" summary, that box was blank. In addition, above the edit window were the captions "Current revision" and "Your text", side by side, as if there's meant to be one editable text window under each. Instead, there was only one such text window beneath them, stretching across under both captions. The page is protected so only registered users can edit it, so that MIGHT have something to do with the problem, though I doubt it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:28, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:It doesn't automatically create an edit summary if you're doing an undo on multiple revisions, so that might be it. Not sure about the other part - it's always shown me a diff at the top of the screen when I've done an undo. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:54, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::Okay, blank edit summary's explained, because it was indeed a group of 3-4 edits being undone all at once. Still inexplicable is the fact that I just checked the page history; it didn't even accept my Undo! LoneGamer78 ended up doing it instead. I've noticed some sluggish response from the site over the past fifteen minutes or so, perhaps whatever caused that was a factor? It may never be known...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:02, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::Is it possible she just beat you to it by a few moments and thus there was an edit conflict? I've had that happen sometimes, and so there's no diff shown because now the page already matches what you were going to change it to. (Uh, does that make sense?) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 22:17, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::::Can't rule it out entirely, but edit conflicts usually announce themselves as such, and they DO have two distinct editable text windows: one showing the text as it stands after someone edited while you were typing, the other as it would have been if you'd edited without interference.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 22:24, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::::A few times I've "undone" an edit, but someone else beat me to it. It doesn't seem to show an edit conflict if that happens, probably because the change is identical to the previous one. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:06, 19 February 2011 (EST)

== Banner ad question. ==
The small side box ad (the one that's still a free-floater) currently has an ad for some webcomic. Which is fine, but one of the panels has GIANT ERECT LADY NIPPLES ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'm not offended by it, but it's, uh, something. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:39, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:Ah, yeah. That'd be because it's an NSFW comic called DarkBrain which is read aloud by "adult film star Tabitha Stevens." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:50, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:: If people don't like it, I can yank it. I didn't think its THO was that objectionable, apparently, when I okayed it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:27, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== help ==

I cant find the latest talk please help([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 15:44, 21 February 2011 (EST))
:What do you mean by the latest talk? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:54, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen Online Games ==

So, I figured I might as well finish up the online game write-ups for Revenge of the Fallen online games, in case they go offline once Dark of the Moon comes out. But, hot damn, do I ever suck. Which means I'm not very likely to get pics of later levels in some of these games. I'll be trying to add in whatever I can to these sections, but some help would be much appreciated! --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:57, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:I can have a go at getting some screencaps tonight if no one else does. Which games in particular? I noticed some of them are already gone a couple of weeks ago, as Hasbro has redirected most of the monkeybar site they were on to the Hub site, which doesn't have them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::Well, personally I'm having difficulty getting pics of every character's sprite from Battle for the Matrix. I'm currently working on The RPMs Devastator game. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::I got caps of everyone except the Fallen, haven't uploaded them yet though. I couldn't get the [[flying drone]]s to transform either. They just seem to fly around wildly in robot mode. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:56, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::Dang! The Fallen is the only one I can't get to either! And yeah, the flying drones are near-impossible to get a screencap of. I got a couple mid-transformation, but that's it. If any of your pics are better than mine, feel free to replace them. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 13:55, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I went and got pics from Flight of the Bumblebee and Allspark Highway. Unfortunately I can't get pics of Ratchet from the later since robovision isn't up anymore! Darn! I'll upload them later. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:45, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I grabbed a screenshot of The Fallen finally. Man, that game is a memory hog. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:38, 25 February 2011 (EST)

== Countdown? ==

Sorry if this isn't the right place to put this, but a while back ago, there was a countdown to ROTF on the Main Page. Perhaps a countdown to DOTM would now be appropriate as it's so close?

Also, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to program/insert/design/<insert verb here> a countdown on a wiki page (it's for another wiki). What template or whatever does that use? I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me.

Again, terribly sorry if this is the wrong place to say this...
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 4:02 PM, 22 February 2011 A.D.
:Dark of the Moon countdown based on Derik's ROTF code: {{#expr: ({{ #time: U |July 1, 2011}} - {{ #time: U }})/86400 round 0}} days until [[Dark of the Moon (film)|TF: Dark of the Moon]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:05, 22 February 2011 (EST)

==When to omit "Transformers" from an article title==
So I got a hankering to remove the "Transformers" from [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and all of their related pages, since unlike [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]], there's just no good reason to break policy for them. There are [[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|other video games that we drop the "TF" from]], and if "Prime" is too common a term, then what about "[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]" or "[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]"?

But then I decided to check out [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Transformers&searchx=Search&limit=500 which pages use "Transformers" in their titles,] and holyyyyyyyy crap. I copy-pasted here all the ones I found that I thought could lose the "Transformers" without negating their meaning, destroying a phrase, or otherwise severely damaging the title. (I added an "(etc.)" to each one that represents a series of identically-worded pages):

[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)]] 
[[1-2-3 Transformers]] 
[[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Legends]] 
[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)]] 
[[The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Energon Within]] 
[[The Transformers Collection]] 
[[Transformers Quest]] 
[[Transformers Key Recovery: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Power Up: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Cybertron: Primus Unleashed]] 
[[Transformers PD Type]] 
[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]] 
[[Transformers Generations]] 
[[Transformers: Rise of the Chevy Autobots]] 
[[Transformers Annual 1990]] (etc.) 
[[The Transformers Sticker Book (1986)]] 
[[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)]] 
[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]] 
[[Look and Find Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Coloring and Activity Book and Crayons]] 
[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers: Learn to Count Activity Tablet]] 
[[Transformers The Reusable Sticker Book]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Storybook]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Guide]] 
[[Transformers Prime Time]] 
[[Transformers Mix & Match]] 
[[Transformers Comic issue 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers The Game (console)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons]] 
[[Transformers History of Music 1984-1990]] 
[[Transformers: Mosaic]] 
[[Transformers Name Generator]] 
[[Transformers Battle Universe]] 
[[The Transformers: Binaltech & TF Collection Complete Guide]] 
[[The Transformers Comic Magazine]] 
[[Transformers Pop-Up Book]] 
[[Transformers Visualworks]] 
[[Transformers Tooth Tunes]] 
[[Transformers Tapestry]] 
[[Transformers Song Universe]] 
[[Transformers G1: Awakening]] 
[[Transformers Armada Annual 2004]] 
[[Transformers: Beginnings]] 
[[Transformers the Movie water]] 
[[Transformers: The Score]] 
[[Transformers: The Thirteen]] 
[[Transformers: War Within Omnibus]] 
[[Transformers: The Ride]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Jigsaw Puzzle]] 
[[Transformers: Kōtetsu no Yūki]] 
[[The Transformers Continuum: The Definitive Chronology]] 
[[The Transformers: Bumblebee]] 
[[Transformers Adventures]] (etc.) 
[[Top Trumps: Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Race For The Mini-con Robots]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Battle Begins]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Secret of the Star Saber]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Autobots Strike Back]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 1]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 2]] 
[[Transformers Theme Song Collection]] 
[[The Transformers: Drift]] 
[[Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Annual 2010]] 
[[Transformers CyberToy]] 
[[Transformers Hall of Fame]] 
[[The Transformers: Ironhide]] 
[[Transformers Evo.]] 
[[The Transformers Legends of the Microns: Sound of Evolution Vol. 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Music Matrix]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide: Revenge]] 
[[Transformers: Battle for the Matrix]] 
[[Transformers: Coloring and Activity Book and Stickers]] 
[[Transformers: Activity Book and Gel Pen]] 
[[Transformers: Sector 7]] 
[[Transformers: Cybertron Adventures]] 
[[Transformers Cards]] 
[[Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise]] 
[[Cadbury's Transformers Card Game]] 
[[Ridiculous Legend Transformers]] 
[[Famicom How-to Manga: Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Transformers Caramel]] 
[[Transformers Comic-Magazin]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Extra Comic-Sonderheft]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Super-Auswahlband]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Energon Valentine's cards]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 1]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 2]]

For many of them, the choice to keep or drop the "TF" seems intuitive, and many others are in a grey area... but I'll be damned if I can put into words any kind of coherent rationale. I'm seriously thinking that we've outgrown the "drop extraneous 'TF's" rule. Back when we only had a few hundred pages, it made a certain kind of sense: Why bother writing out stuff like "Transformers: Generation 2" when just "Generation 2" is equally meaningful to everyone here? Besides, isn't every page about Transformers by default? But in the past five years, both the wiki and the subject matter have exploded, and with both so many fine-grain, obscure topics being covered and so much not-strictly-TF content we've added, I don't think the policy serves us anymore. It doesn't make things simple; it makes things arbitrary and unpredictable.

So unless someone can sum up our policy in a way that makes a lick of sense, I propose: '''If a topic has an official title, then that should be used in full as the title of the relevant articles.''' Period. So [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] would stay right where they are, and yes, [[Generation 2 (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)", [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)", etc. I don't think we'd need to make that change happen instantly, but we could slowly propagate it as people feel inclined to. I also think we can keep the parenthetical abbreviations and in-sentence references as short as they currently are; this is only about the titles.

Thoughts?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:43, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:What are these "Transformers"? -[[Special:Contributions/75.185.113.106|75.185.113.106]] 18:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)

::I've always been for having the full name as article titles. (Maybe also drop the "(franchise)" disambigs, because durr, but that's other topic.) Not only do we keep the full name of the subject, it aids us in disambiguation (it's easier to have smaller sets of "Transformers: Cybertron" and "Cybertron" than a large set of just "Cybertron"). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:22, 22 February 2011 (EST)

:::I don't have an opinion on adding or removing "Transformers:" from articles (other than that adding it would perhaps make articles and reading unnecessarily longer - right now, I hate having to type out "Transformers Animated" before "The AllSpark Almanac"), but I do oppose removing (franchise). If there's one thing I hate, it's when there's one 'most important' page that goes undisamb'ed (like Spark) and you'll have to go through a lot of trouble to ensure it all is meant to link there. When I cleaned up the Lithone links for planet and species, nearly every single one link directed the wrong way. Same for D-HQ, AllSpark vs Allspark, Junkion, Black Friday, etc. So, keep (franchise). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:49, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I too think "Transformers: " should be kept as well as " (franchise)". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:46, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::I don't mind losing Transformers when it the prefix in a title that's the form of Transformers: <subtitle>, as in that case the subtitle itself is more the actual official name and "Transformers" is just tacked on as an extra identifier.

::::But in some of those things, Transformers is, well, a vital part of the thing's actual name. I mean, for instance, the Club's full official name ''is'' "Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club", so removing "Transformers" from it would be incorrect. --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 03:00, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I don't think that distinction is clear enough to be workable anymore. Looking at that list, tons of them I have no idea which side of the divide they'd fall on. For instance, "[[Transformers Legends]]" is the proper title of the book; that's how it would be listed in any store or library, but for ''our'' purposes the "TF" is as extraneous as the one that we omit from [[Energon (comic)]] or [[Dinobots Strike Back]]. The "for our purposes" thing is so often so questionable... like, what would that dictate for [[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]? It's definitely a subtitle situation like you described, but there are lots of non-TF "Ultimate Guide"s published by the same company... but we would never cover them, so for our purposes is the "TF" still redundant?
:::::I agree with Geewunling that it would be annoying to have to type out longer titles (though readability should be unchanged, since I think we could still truncate in-sentence references). But right NOW it's annoying that our lack of a coherent policy is making everything increasingly unpredictable. We're seeing a lot of creep in the form of stuff like [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and for some reason video games. So I don't even know what should be "corrected" anymore or how to decide the matter when creating a new article.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:58, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::::The annoyance of editors doesn't really enter into my consideration; the wiki is ultimately for the readers, not our convenience. If we have to do some more work for the best presentation, so be it. —Interrobang, not logged in

:I'm OK with moving articles to put Transformers into the title so long as we don't delete the redirects. If we move "Revenge of the Fallen (film)" to "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)", there are going to be a whole bunch of sites linking to the old URL, and I don't wanna have a repeat of the "(Shattered Glass)" thing where all the redirects get deleted and a whole lot of other sites are pointing to useless error pages. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:25, 23 February 2011 (EST)

=="(WFC)" vs. "(Prime)"==
There are currently [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|two]] [[Talk:Optimus Prime (Prime)#Move|discussions]] going about whether articles on subjects that originated in ''War for Cybertron''-branded fiction (the [[War for Cybertron games|games]], [[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|novel]], and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|comic]]) should be titled "(WFC)" rather than "(Prime)". It was suggested that this should be brought up in the Community Portal, so here it is.

For the record, looking at [[War for Cybertron games#Featured Characters|this list]], right now we're using "(Prime)" for all named characters, even those currently exclusive to WfC, and "(WFC)" for all character ''types'' from the games. I'm not sure why that is, but that's the state of things.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I completely agree with Jackpot. It is stupid we have an article called [[Ultra Magnus (Prime)]] stating "Ultra Magnus is an Autobot Wrecker from the WFC portion of the Aligned family continuity". I blame myself for not doing this a lot earlier, treating the WFC navbox as like a subsection of Prime when the novel was so clearly a tie-in to those games. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::WFC is a tie-in game. As I pointed out, how many Mini-Cons from the PS2 Transformers game use the disambiguator "(Transformers)"? And even then, what of novel-original characters? Do they get "(Exodus)"? And heck, didn't Exodus come out ''before'' WFC? Shouldn't the characters thusly use "(Exodus)" over "(WFC)" or "(Prime)"? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::: The book and game came out on the same day, as I recall. So... yeah. I'm completely against this. We used "Prime" because that was the name we WERE using for the continuity family; frankly, I find this wishy-washy "aligned continuity family" thing pretty lame. The core of the damn family is the Prime cartoon. It is THE central feature, and will be THE major fictional outlet and -almost assuredly- what future non-show fictions will adhere more closely to. I don't see the point in all this subdividing and adding more parantheticals. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:19, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I find it ''extremely'' hard to believe that if Hasbro's "decade" plan goes through, ''Prime'' is the last franchise we're going to see spring from it. Even Aaron Archer thinks "Prime" is a bad name for the overall deal. Given what a fractured start it's already off to, I think separating out the "family" foundation is the only sensible thing to do. So that's why [[Aligned continuity family]] exists.
::::As for the "(WFC)" notion, I'm not as personally attached to that, even though I do think it's the correct thing to do. Mostly I think that WfC needs to be acknowledged as an entity unto itself, not just a subset of ''Prime''. Strictly from a branding point of view, it ISN'T a subset; nothing has been both WfC- and Prime-branded. It's not just the title of a video game; it's in the titles of [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|a comic]] and [[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|a novel]], plus they've made [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#Toys|toys from it]] that definitely don't fit the ''Prime'' brand. (True, the toys aren't labeled "WfC", but that's par for the course with ''Generations'' anyway. At the very least, it's a grey area.) Beyond branding, it just has a unique aesthetic and sensibility that's very different from ''Prime''.
::::Based on all that, the best place WfC fits in our schema is as a "franchise", to my judgement. "''Prime'' tie-in" doesn't cut it.
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:55, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::WFC is not ''just'' a tie-in game. It has [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fcfb1b5-19b9-f369-10be-e91a2108d9ab online bios] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 online timeline]. Hasbro made it its own thing. Franchise-like. Before any Prime show started we learned from the timeline that [[Megatron (Prime)|D-16]] was an Energon mine laborer and rose to prominence in secret gladiatorial combat and took the name "Megatron". So [[Megatron (Prime)]] had a whole history before the show even existed. The non-show characters with the (Prime) disambiguation also shows it doesn't quite fit. I'd go for WFC. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:35, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::AGAIN, Exodus came out the SAME DAY. So why does WFC get prominence? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Because that's the phrase that's used in the names of [[War for Cybertron games|all]] [[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|the]] [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|media]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I don't see how the subline "The official history of the war for Cybertron" is the exact same as "War For Cybertron: The Vidya Game". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:24, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::I agree. Aside from three (ambiguous) words on the book's front, there's not much that says it's part of the WFC "franchise". Same for Generations. If they wanted to, they could have made figures of every War for Cybertron character and released it in a toyline explicitly called "Transformers: War for Cybertron". But they didn't; they just released five toys based on WFC designs and released them under Generations, so Generations is a WFC toy line as much as it is a G1 one (actually, probably more of G1 considering how very few WFC toys there were). The video games are only different because of hardware limitations, so having multiple games with the same title does not a franchise make. Having a website with bios and everything is a moot point, because almost every video game has that. The comic, I'll give you that one, but I don't think it's a franchise if it's a game and a tie-in comic with a limited release. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::For what it's worth, when you [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm click on "War For Cybertron"] it brings up all the Generations toys. I also think the WFC timeline ties in Exodus to WFC since the events in the comic and timeline are basically from the book. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::It also brings up PCC Icepick (item 12 of 12, on page 2). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:52, 28 February 2011 (EST)

::::::::The WfC-branded timeline and comic both cover events in ''Exodus''. Hell, the comic was written by the same dude. I don't understand the logic that says that the "War for Cybertron" in the novel's title doesn't mean the same thing. If there were a novel called "Deuteronomy: The Official History of the Beast Wars" set during the events of the cartoon, I wouldn't be trying to say it was part of the ''Beast Machines'' franchise.
::::::::Let me put in a slightly different light: Because franchises are branding-based, not continuity-based, I'm not comfortable with the ''Prime'' franchise being stretched to include all this stuff that doesn't have the ''Prime'' label on it. Yes, it's clearly all RELATED, story-wise, but that's what [[Aligned continuity family|continuity pages]] are for. This feels like taking ''Machine Wars'' (which is the opposite kind of sparse: a toyline with virtually no fiction) and rolling it into G2. Sure, they're in the same family, and there are connections between the two, but they're not marketed with the same label, so we don't do it. Before ''Prime'' existed, there were these other forms of media sharing a unique title (that even got the TF-logo lockup treatment!) and covering common ground. Then ''Prime'' showed up, and so far the two labels have not been seen on the same product. To me, that means two franchises.
::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:20, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::::::::But... there is no overarching label on the products we have poked into the WFC "Franchise". "Transformers: War for Cybertron" has its own logo which is also on the tie-in comic, and Exodus has its own logo. They're still prequels to TF:Prime. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:33, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I guess I just see the "War for Cybertron" in the title of ''Exodus'' as having more meaning than you do. Yeah, Hasbro could've been more blatant if they'd wanted to, but it's still clearly telling the reader it's part of the same deal as the WfC games and comic, without making any reference to ''Prime'' (or vice-versa). I can imagine a situation where the ''Prime'' branding might retroactively subsume WfC, like how the "Wreckers" comic was given the ''Universe'' brand (they say there's another game coming out, after all). But that hasn't happened yet, so in the meantime I say WfC doesn't belong under the ''Prime'' franchise.
::::::::::Anyway, at this point if we don't see eye-to-eye, we probably won't, so I'm going to shut up now.
::::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:What about the next thing after ''Prime'' that is in the Modern/Aligned continuity? We would have a new disambiguation, like, "Spike (Next Franchise)." and characters that have never been in Prime, like "Ultra Magnus (Prime)." Kind of confusing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::No it isn't. The idea that WFC/Exodus are part of a big wad of continuity colloquially known as "Prime", and referred to as "Prime" because the "Prime" cartoon is THE core of the whole shebang, and will liekly BE said core for the near future, is not a hard one. It only gets confusing when you start letting obfuscating pedantry in, at which point you're only making more work for no payoff and making things harder for our readers. A trend which seems to keep coming up over and over again, I've noticed... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::I'm pretty sure I've had my share of "obfuscating pedantry" moments, but I completely agree with Siph on this one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:18, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::For the record, if people really think that using "(WFC)" would be confounding to readers, that's not a decision I'm very invested in. This discussion has ballooned into bigger issues that I ''do'' feel more strongly about, but the parenthetical itself is very take-it-or-leave-it for me. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I would at the least support migrating characters who have thus far ''only'' appeared in WFC to the appropriate parenthetical.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:55, 1 March 2011 (EST)
:And move them back if they appear in Prime? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:03, 1 March 2011 (EST)
::Yes. I think that would make the most sense to people looking for the characters.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::I am willing to make this compromise for the time being. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)

==War For Cybertron==
War for cybertron is a relativley new game, but it is a great one. I am kind of new on this website, but to me, it looks like the War For Cybertron title has gotten mixed up with Transformers: Prime, a completley diffrent universe. also, WFC is G1 Canon. All the WFC pages and articles should be labled on G1, MAJOR cleanup is needed. {{unsigned|Holymoses|06:30, March 3, 2011 (EST)}}
:You clearly ''are'' quite new, because we would advise you to read [[Aligned continuity family|this article]] before you start in on this notion. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:33, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:In Hasbro's own words: "The TRANSFORMERS brand team would like to confirm that Transformers War for Cybertron video game, Transformers Exodus novel, and the Transformers Prime television show are in the same aligned continuity. Hasbro is creating a single continuity to tell the bulk of our TRANSFORMERS stories going forward." Here's the [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/ link] to the announcement --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:45, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::You aren't completely wrong. The game developers were heavily inspired by G1, and were pretty much making a G1 game as far as they knew. It's just that, like Khajidha said, Hasbro says War for Cybertron is part of the same continuity as Prime, so that's what the wiki goes with. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:00, 4 March 2011 (EST)

Well that still seems weird, since "Prime" has a completley diffrent story, and "Exodus" doesnt connect the two sagas very well. even if its what Hasbro said, i think we should put all this into consideration, Aaron Archer himself said that War for Cybertron was a game set in the G1 Universe. I think its wrong of Hasbro to try and connect the two diffrent Continuities. {{unsigned|Holymoses|09:12, March 4, 2011 (EST)}}
:First of all, when did Aaron Archer say that? Second, Hasbro gets to define what is in each continuity for the simple reason that it is their intellectual property. It may not be to your liking, but it cannot be wrong as they are the ones who determine what is right. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:35, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, gonna need a source on that Archer statement. Especially since he's been amongst the ones saying WFC/Exodus is part of the new continuity. Also, weren't a lot of elements in WFC, like Dark Energon, Hasbro mandates from a story bible they supplied the creators (hereby proving that Hasbro's intent was always for it to be part of the new continuity), or am I imagining things again? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:08, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::From what I read about that production bible, it is a result of guys at Hasbro sitting down and "[http://collider.com/roberto-orci-jeff-kline-interview-transformers-prime/75039/ coalescing all the mythologies] that they had institutionally for years. Actually putting it down to paper." It sounds like they were just collecting and not adding new stuff in. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark Energon were added ''after'' it was in the game. And what about timing? Orci said Hasbro put together the bible after the movies came out (in mid 2009). The video game came out in mid 2010 with a video game lead time of ??? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Unless Dark Energon is actually just the new name for Angolmois energy. The name may have been taken from the video game, but the concept could well have been in the production bible before WFC. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:37, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::What a load of supposition and crap. I hereby dub it "crapposition". I can pretty much say that you are completely wrong. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:38, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::::[http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/05/interview-matt-tieger-of-high-moon-studios-on-transformers/ Matt Tieger said] that High Moon started working on WfC when they shipped their "Bourne" game, which according to the accompanying notes was mid-2008, between the first movie and RotF. [http://www.cheatcc.com/extra/interviewtransformerswarforcybertron2.html This interview] talks up the G1 inspiration and then says the WfC storyline is "a completely original story that we made up at High Moon. We worked closely with Hasbro..." The consistent impression I've gotten from several different interviews is that High Moon started from G1 and then made pitches to Hasbro, which Hasbro would provide feedback on, and eventually there was a game. The only people who I've seen actually talk about the 400-page story-bible are the ''Prime'' creators. And if Orci was being literal when he said the bible was put together "after the movie’s came out", then game development would've indeed started earlier. At the very least, it sounds pretty likely that there was some simultaneous creation.
:::::In the end, the chicken-and-egg question is basically moot because either way, WfC is part of the new deal. It doesn't matter who said the words "Dark Energon" first; it's part of the structure that binds all of the pieces, so that's that. But for nitpicking's sake, Starfield's suppositions aren't off-base from the evidence we have. Siph, if you have additional info that clarifies or contradicts any of that, please share.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:44, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::::I, similarly, have found it quite plausible when thinking on the subject to believe that High Moon could have created the idea of Dark Energon, and that Hasbro then said to themselves "We can use THAT!" and put it in the bible. It's certainly outside the realm of possibility, unless you know something we don't, Siph. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:24, 5 March 2011 (EST)

:Because nothing whatsoever can change in the millions of years between the WFC era and the Prime cartoon era. And yeah, good luck sourcing that Aaron claim. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)

== Captured-Prey ads ==

One of the things advertised there appears to be a fan-made Megatron min-figure. Seeing as how everybody was upset that the TFSource ad [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive47#TFsource_ad_buy|featured fansproject stuff]], surely, this isn't right either? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:33, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:Check the section back up this page titled [[#Project_Wonderful_ads|Project Wonderful ads]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:59, 8 March 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen video game character articles - [X] Scout 1, [X] Scout 2 pages for the same design ==

With the upcoming DOTM games, I thought I should look at the ROTF game articles that were abandoned in 2009 and see if I could do anything for them. I believe it was Derik who made this decision, but I am now wondering if it is necessary to have say [[Aerialbot Scout 1]] and [[Aerialbot Scout 2]], [[Omnibot Scout 1]] and [[Omnibot Scout 2]] (and so on) considering "Scout 1" and "Scout 2" are just the two different colour schemes for these mass produced generic, nameless characters who only differ in terms of textures. Any completed articles on these will have different images, but exactly the same information. Isn't that redundant? Should we perhaps just stick both of each under Aeriabot Scout, Omnibot Scout, Stunticon Scout? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:14, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:According to the articles the two Aerialbot Scouts have different health, primary weapon and secondary weapon ratings. Is that enough for separation? I don't know, but it should be considered before making a decision. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::I don't even know where those stats came from - I don't believe the person who filled them in originally ever explained. Were they from a website, article or guide book? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:42, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Found some much needed images, but... ==

I found them on [http://transformersiv.mforos.com/1519135/8979801-transformers-g1-aventuras-y-nostalgias-que-nunca-moriran/ this site], and I don't speak the language (I think it's Spanish) to ask for their permission to use them. The images are covers of the [[Marvel Books]] titles [[Battle at Oil Valley]], [[Summertime Coloring Book]], and [[Super Activity Book]]. That's right we don't even have an article for that last one. They also have page scans of these and other Marvel Books titles. I don't feel right just taking them for our use here and was wondering if someone who spoke the lingo would contact them for us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:21, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Nevermind, Google Chrome finally remembered that it had translational abilities. The poster is offering them for download to all and sundry, so he/she can hardly care if we borrow them. I'll probably still insert a link to the main site out of courtesy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:22, 12 March 2011 (EST)

== Hey, I've got a new user talk page template request... ==

Can we have one that reminds folks that every new thing in Transformers that even vaguely reminds you of an old thing in Transformers IS NOT A REFERENCE AND THAT IS NOT HOW REFERENCES WORK AND STOP PUTTING THEM IN THE "TRANSFORMERS REFERENCES" SECTION. Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:18, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:You mean like [[Template:notareference|this]]? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:22, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
::Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:30, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:::Brilliant. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::That's an oldie, but a goodie. Personally, I'm wondering if there's any template that can be set up for the people that just drown episode articles in quotes... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:42, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::I think we'd first need a consensus on how many quotes are appropriate. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:41, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::It's a conversation that needs to be had, I think. You have to take length of the story into account - there are more quotes in a two hour movie than in a twenty five minute episode. I'd put the early cutoff at around five for episodes, though. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:00, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I like the idera of a mximum of 5 per 30 minutes (or part thereof) for Episodes & movies, but what would be a good size for comics? I'd say around 3 per issue, but it breaks down with short issues and back up stories (i.e.e most of the Marvel UK exclusive stuff...) [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 10:19, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome

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G1MarvelBlaster: Added cover images

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G1MarvelBlaster: Retailer incentive cover for IDW's ''The Transformers'' issue 17, "Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome". Art by Marcelo Matere. © 2011 Hasbro, IDW Publishing {{comiccover|s

Retailer incentive cover for [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s ''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' issue 17, "[[Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome]]". Art by [[Marcelo Matere]].

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[[Category: Images by Marcelo Matere]]

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Cover B for [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s ''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' issue 17, "[[Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome]]".
{{art|lineart=[[Nick Roche]]|color=[[James Brown]]}}

© [[2011]] [[Hasbro]], [[IDW Publishing]]

{{comiccover|source="[[Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome]]"|owner=[[IDW Publishing]]}}

[[Category: Images by Nick Roche]]
[[Category: Images by James Brown]]

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G1MarvelBlaster: Cover A for IDW's ''The Transformers'' issue 17, "Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome". {{art|lineart=Marcelo Matere|color=Priscilla Tramontano}} © 2011 Hasbro, [[IDW Publis

Cover A for [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s ''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' issue 17, "[[Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome]]".
{{art|lineart=[[Marcelo Matere]]|color=[[Priscilla Tramontano]]}}

© [[2011]] [[Hasbro]], [[IDW Publishing]]

{{comiccover|source="[[Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome]]"|owner=[[IDW Publishing]]}}

[[Category: Images by Marcelo Matere]]
[[Category: Images by Priscilla Tramontano]]