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User talk:Gigirassy

2024-12-05T18:06:41Z

Gigirassy:

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Please don't upload any of the leaked Cybertron Con materials; we can wait a couple days for it to be made official. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:56, 5 December 2024 (EST)
: It showed up on an official listing on Chinese site JD. As far as I can recall, it was not "leaked"" in any form. [[User:Gigirassy|Gigirassy]] ([[User talk:Gigirassy|talk]])
:: Those listings went out before they were supposed to; they were meant to be reveals at Cybertron Con this weekend. It won't kill us to wait a couple extra days to publish a write-up. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:04, 5 December 2024 (EST)
::: Honestly, that's understandable. However, the toys are going to be officially revealed at about 9 PM ET, so I don't personally think there's any harm in it. I'll respect the moderation decision though and refrain. [[User:Gigirassy|Gigirassy]] ([[User talk:Gigirassy|talk]]) 13:06, 5 December 2024 (EST)

User talk:Cyberlink420

2024-12-05T18:01:48Z

Gigirassy: /* About "leaked" Wasp boxart */ new section

==Previous discussions==
Previous discussions from before I became an admin can be found at [[User talk:Cyberlink420/Archive1|Archive]]. However, please do not edit the Archive page.



Why are you against my merger with those go-bot page if i may be so bold to ask?--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 20:56, 3 October 2021 (EDT)

== Ok, sorry ==
Can I re-upload it after it fits the standards of this wiki? --[[User:GobotsFanForever|GobotsFanForever]] ([[User talk:GobotsFanForever|talk]]) 20:08, 9 April 2021 (EDT)
:Sure, but you might be better off finding a different image of Whirl. In the one you uploaded, she's just sort of standing there, while all the other images are more dynamic and show her actually doing things. Try to find something more distinct that better conveys what the character is doing in the episode. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:39, 9 April 2021 (EDT)

== Hoist Goes Hollywood ==

You reverted my edit saying it was "still a stretch." What I wrote was:

"The Autobot cast for this episode is particularly appropriate. Apart from Hoist, all the Autobots who crash the filming in search of stardom are notably vain attention-seekers. Though this trait is rarely played up with Warpath, his ego regarding his gun and shooting skills is mentioned in his bios, and he appropriately makes his entrance by displaying his sharpshooting skills."

My question is this: How the heck is that a stretch? It notes what was clearly the writer's intention in casting the episode and explains the choice of a character who would seemingly be the odd man out.

I don't do a lot of editing on here, and I genuinely try to do so only when I feel I'm adding something or improving something in accordance with the standards as I understand them, but I've had several edits reverted recently that I had put a good amount of thought into, and the justifications for those reversions have been uniformly unsatisfying and very poorly explained. {{unsigned|Tjfosko}}
:I genuinely don't think the writer put that much thought into it. And unless you have an interview with the writer saying as much, you can't say it was clearly their intention; it was more likely as simple as them being told "here's the toy(s) we want to promote this week, write a story about them". This just feels like adding a note for the sake of adding a note on an overly crowded page. (I personally think a lot of the existing notes don't serve to add much either, so it's not just a you thing.) And please remember to sign your talk page posts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:29, 15 May 2021 (EDT)

::So, you don't think the writer of the episode picked specifically four glory-hounds to crash a movie studio hoping for stardom, but that he instead got a note saying, "We want you to sell Hoist, Tracks, Sunstreaker, Powerglide, and Warpath this week"? Look at Earl Kress's episode credits. "The Immobilizer" is practically the only episode dealing with Ironhide's age (besides a few minor asides) and actually features a rare instance of Trailbreaker being a jokester. "B.O.T.," for all its flaws, plays up Swindle better than any other episode. "Desertion of the Dinobots" doesn't have the same degree of focus, but the episodes he wrote tend to be very strong in their depictions of characters. Even if your scenario of "promote these toys this week" is accurate (which I don't think it is, as the production materials that I've seen make it seem like Hasbro gave broad strokes with the exception of a few instances of "don't use this guy because we aren't releasing him" (Reflector) or "shove this in somewhere because it's a new toy" (Protectobots)), that only makes the cast more noteworthy, as it's an incredibly convenient accident. It seems way, way more likely that the writers, with the exception of the more mercenary jobs like "The Search for Vector Sigma," were given a box of toys and told, "these are your available characters, choose as you wish."

::As for the unsigned comment, my bad. Slipped my mind. Trying to keep up with that. [[User:Tjfosko|Tjfosko]] ([[User talk:Tjfosko|talk]]) 11:51, 17 May 2021 (EDT)

== Just a suggestion ==

Since G1 Optimus Prime and Megatron have an extremely long list of appearances and will likely have even more in the future, can I split their Game appearances into separate pages? --[[User:GobotsFanForever|GobotsFanForever]] ([[User talk:GobotsFanForever|talk]]) 13:36, 16 August 2021 (EDT)
:This has actually already been proposed over at [[Talk:Optimus Prime (G1)#Another split?]] -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:43, 16 August 2021 (EDT)

== Arcana ==

Hi. I just edited the Arcana page. However, I can't make the caption link to the page. The link and the caption are separate. Could you edit it so that the caption links to the page, please? {{unsigned|Cybertron1986}} 15:09, 15 September 2021 (EDT)

I suppose I should learn how to do it on practice pages. Thank you.
{{unsigned|Cybertron1986}} 15:14, 15 September 2021 (EDT)

== My mistake ==

Wait really? Oh gosh, my extreme apologies then! I wasn't aware that was a UK English spelling! I saw both Installment and Instalment on the same page and thought it was an error. [[User:BigRobot|BigRobot]] ([[User talk:BigRobot|talk]]) 23:05, 26 September 2021 (EDT)BigRobot

==Delete==
why do you keep deleting my stuff? is it irrelevant? [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 13:27, 8 November 2021 (EST)
:Irrelevant and/or inaccurate. For example, you claimed Doublecrosser said something that was actually said by Bug Bite, and you repeatedly got Rack'n'Ruin's name wrong. Also, you really need to stop trying to remove every instance of profanity; the wiki has always been PG-13, and any words that have been used in official Transformers media like "bitch" and "shit" are okay for use. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:40, 8 November 2021 (EST)
:::Noted, but that sounds unprofessional. Also, watch the tone. you are unnecessarily rude. {{unsigned|Tylerwu}}
:What I wrote in that page is relevant, it Is understandable taking from the list [[Grimlock (WFC)]] and [[Sideswipe (WFC)]] but tell me were Is Servo or Metroplex I never saw them in the list. ([[User talk: Rodezno7045]]).

==Apology==
For your politeness, I would like to formally apologize. I know I was being a jerk and being immature. That happens to me all the time. I'm sorry I did all that to you. Just please remember that not everyone needs to be treated like underlings and so. But in my case, I totally deserved it. So I'm just apologising. Thanks, [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 16:23, 8 November 2021 (EST)
:I genuinely appreciate the apology, but actions ultimately speak louder than words, so I hope you take this to heart and practice better judgment going forward. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:35, 8 November 2021 (EST)

==Universal==
Hello, can you keep some of my edits? or at least change them? I feel like the "difference from film" section might be relevant. Also, ironhide and ratchet don't speak. Should they still be credited? [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 19:58, 3 December 2021 (EST)
:It's not really meant to be explicitly based on any of the films, so it's largely unnecessary to note any differences. And as I said before, there's no reason for us to document what happens when the ride breaks because it's not standard procedure, and not everyone is going to have the same experience during a malfunction, so it's impossible to log every possible result. Also, Ratchet and Ironhide appear and speak in the queue for the ride, which the article also covers. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:21, 3 December 2021 (EST)

==Play Doh==
Hi, you deleted my stuff about the compound from the spoiler boxes from the WFC trilliogy toys because it was not marketed as playdoh, yet now, there is a new section about playdoh. Even though it IS playdoh, it was never marketed as playdoh. If you choose to keep it, why delete mine? [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 21:45, 13 January 2022 (EST)
:Apart from the fact that I didn't even realize someone had added it back until a few days ago (and was convinced to let it stay in a separate discussion), the current write-up is much more detailed and actually explains why it's mentioned in the Play-Doh article. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:21, 13 January 2022 (EST)

== Whirl - Marvel UK - Time Wars ==

You removed my parenthetical regarding Whirl's lack of appearance because you believed it had no bearing on his survival. However, no one knows what happened to Whirl since he never appeared, and that makes his survival ambiguous. The current note is also confusing as written because it implies Whirl appears in Time Wars, but he doesn't. I was trying to add in some clarity to answer a question I'd been trying to get answered for myself, as I looked through the wiki trying to figure out what happened to Whirl or if he'd died in a story that I somehow didn't have in my collection (since my G1 comics collection is the Titan collections, and with the weird way the UK stories were collected I wasn't 100% positive I had all the relevant stories), and it took far more digging than it should have for me to figure it out, and the Time Wars note did cause me actual confusion.[[User:Tjfosko|Tjfosko]] ([[User talk:Tjfosko|talk]]) 12:28, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:I disagree with outright questioning his survival, but I do think it's worth bringing up on his page that he stopped appearing, without us outright saying he's alive or dead. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I added a note to Whirl's character page to that effect. It was also deleted. Like probably 90% of the edits I make. C'est la vie. And I don't really mean to so much question his survival but to say that there's never any real statement as to what happened to him.[[User:Tjfosko|Tjfosko]] ([[User talk:Tjfosko|talk]]) 12:46, 17 February 2022 (EST)

== Re:Account rename ==

Thanks for the heads up! But there were other reasons why I wanted to ditch my old account, such as it being tied to an email I don't have access to anymore and me only vaguely remembering the password. It's not like I did much on it anyway, I think my most notable contribution was correcting a typo or two. If the staff wants me to use my old account for safe-keeping purposes or something, then I'd be fine with that though. --[[User:AmeliaLH|AmeliaLH]] ([[User talk:AmeliaLH|talk]]) 00:01, 25 February 2022 (EST)
:No worries. This was more just to ask if you would rather use a renamed old account or a fresh account since the rules only permit you to have one. I'll close your old account then. Thanks, and happy editing! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:36, 25 February 2022 (EST)

== "nipping this in the bud" ==

I take it you're just going to block me so you don't have to provide an argument, yeah? [[User:Elita1|Elita1]] ([[User talk:Elita1|talk]]) 23:14, 26 February 2022 (EST)
:I don't have to. As our [[Transformers_Wiki:Policies#Attitude_towards_authority|policy]] states, "he who owns the house, makes the rules". And as all of the admins are of the agreement that white nationalism is bad and have never been afraid to call out shitty people (see: [[Pat Lee]], [[Adam Baldwin]]), I see no reason why the paragraph should be removed. The fact that you joined just to do so indicates your intentions are less than noble. I suggest you drop it, or you will find yourself banned immediately. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:19, 26 February 2022 (EST)
::As you wish. [[User:Elita1|Elita1]] ([[User talk:Elita1|talk]]) 23:30, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== Discord ban appeal ==

Hey, not sure if you are the right person to ask, but over a year ago, I don’t quite recall when, I was (rightfully) banned from the Discord server for my immature and attention seeking behaviour, truthfully I am glad I was banned sooner than later since at that time I probably would’ve gotten myself banned for something much worst,
Now that over a year has passed, and I’ve dealt with a lot of the issues I had with my life and gotten myself in a better place, mentally socially, etc and again I’m into Transformers than ever I wanted to be able to contribute to the Wiki again, and learn how to be more professional about my edits, and I’d like to rejoin the discord server for that purpose, in order to discuss wiki contributions, unlike before when I *only* wanted it as a place to talk and receive attention when I had no one else to talk to in my life, I don’t mean to come off as sappy or anything of the sort, just me asking for a second chance and stating how I intend to be better if given it. (I was Lucas-Magic-Ninja’s on the Discord). [[User:Hexnut17|Hexnut17]] ([[User talk:Hexnut17|talk]]) 00:38, March 19 2022 (EST)
:I've spoken to the admin who issued your ban and they're willing to give you another shot. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:36, 19 March 2022 (EDT)

== Jacqueline ==

Send in a re-edited Jcqueline trivia (I don't know how to do tenses, so I apologize for that but hopefully the edited version works better).--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 10:49, 2 April 2022 (EDT)
==Rewording==
I wasn’t trying to remove Nick Studios on the EarthSpark page, I was trying to condense the sentence to be the same one that says how it is developed by eOne and Nick. There was another sentence that said Nick Studios is producing, so I wanted to merge the two and make it say that it is being co-produced and developed by them. But the caption still doesn’t make sense to me, since it isn’t for Nick alone anymore and the Nick who is a character designer isn’t really the person who the show is "by." [[User:Taylr2000|Taylr2000]] ([[User talk:Taylr2000|talk]]) 23:28, 12 April 2022 (EDT)
:It's simple wordplay, and it's still a show featuring designs ''by Nick'' Roche ''for Nick''elodeon Studios. And the existing verbiage for the paragraph is fine. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:03, 13 April 2022 (EDT)

==Misattribution note==
I added it because I saw another page that had a misattribution quote that explained it was a misattribution [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 09:59, 5 May 2022 (EDT)

== tagging images ==

I'm new in here mate, please exlain me about the image tag thing cuz i don't understand from what i've read. Thank you. {{unsigned|Cyberpunx80}} 03:55, 23 May 2022 (EDT)

== tagging images pt2 ==

Thank you very much for the help, i didn't mean to cause any trouble. {{unsigned|Cyberpunx80}} 07:10, 23 May 2022 (EDT)

==Accidental recreation==

II’ll remember the site, but as a mobile user, I can,t get to it due to parental restrictions {{unsigned|Liokaser19}} 11:40, 1 August 2022 (EDT)

==Tagging stock images==

Sorry to bother you but how do i add the stock tag to an image im uploading? {{unsigned|Kirby54}}
:Just type <nowiki>{{stock}}</nowiki> and the wiki will do the rest. We have a bunch of different stock templates for different toylines, so take a look through [[:Category:Stock image templates|this category]] and find the one that fits best, then just type the name of that template between brackets. For example, if you're uploading a stock image of a ''Collaborative'' toy, type <nowiki>{{Collaborativestock}}</nowiki>.

:(Also, make sure to sign your talk page posts! Just type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> and the wiki will automatically fill in your signature.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:12, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

thank you for clearing things up. [[User:Kirby54|Kirby54]] ([[User talk:Kirby54|talk]]) 13:28, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

==Thrash Picture Caption==
I understand how the first caption could have been taken as “whining”, with the ellipses and whatnot, but please explain why you consider the second attempt as me “whining”. It has a joking tone (as I was originally going for). I would simply like explanation, for as far as I can see, it’s far from plain complaining.

[[User:Deathwingtech|DeathwingTech]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19 November 2022 (EDT)
:Sure still came off whiny. Plus, captions where every word links to something else are a big no-no. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:07, 20 November 2022 (EST)

::Alright, in that case, how would you suggest fixing it? I do feel that it’s a good punchline, just needs a better tone. And thank you for clarifying, I’m pretty new around here! — [[User:Deathwingtech|DeathwingTech]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19 November 2022 (EDT)
:::I don't think there's any fixing it. Like, it's not even a joke, it's just saying there are other motorcycle characters. Half your examples aren't even main characters. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:16, 20 November 2022 (EST)
::::I mean, I’ve seen multiple examples of characters’ main captions comparing them to coincidentally similar characters, but if you say so. [[User:Deathwingtech|DeathwingTech]] 01:27, 20 November 2022 (EST)

==Legout (BB)==
Arn't Legout (BB) and Tuogel just like any other toy only character. [[User:Oldmajor|Oldmajor]] ([[User talk:Oldmajor|talk]]) 08:28, 12 January 2023 (EST)

==War for Cybertron==
Hey obviously I am updating this. Dreadwing has just been mentioned in Siege episode 5 as a Seeker in the past. Not sure where to update this history for the character.--[[User:Grauntlet|Grauntlet]] ([[User talk:Grauntlet|talk]]) 20:12, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

== APOLOGIES! I AM SO SORRY! ==

I made an edit a few days back on the sg Optimus page and didn’t realize that with the context of the image, it seemed like a George Floyd joke. I was trying to make a gag about Donald trump cuz I thought it was funny but I didn’t think about the fact that the image directly mirrored the incident. I take full responsibility for this and sincerely apologize, I hope I’m using this page right also! Yours truly, --[[User:Carno|Carno]] ([[User talk:Carno|talk]]) 12:48, 29 May 2023 (EDT)

== Images ==

I don't know who to write to about it, but I saw you admonished me once about the images, so maybe you'll know something. If I have an image with an unnecessary background (e.g. [[Media:Kinder-Joy-RID15-2017-Steeljaw.jpg|Steeljaw Toy]]), can I upload this image to a graphics program and cut out the background? Thanks in advance for your answer

== This message doesn't seem very mature ==

Look at the top of Talk:Sideways (ROTF) and look at Semysane's message. [[User:SuperKilogram|SuperKilogram]] ([[User talk:SuperKilogram|talk]]) 15:52, 29 June 2023 (EDT)
:What relevance does a talk page message from 13 years ago have to anything? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:01, 29 June 2023 (EDT)

== Should this be on Sideways' page ==

On the Sideways disambiguation page, there is a bullet point that says "Your mom", is that supposed to be there?
[[User:SuperKilogram|SuperKilogram]] ([[User talk:SuperKilogram|talk]]) 15:52, 29 June 2023 (EDT)
:Yes. Sideways once suggested that "your mom" was another incarnation of him in [[Ask Vector Prime]]. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:59, 29 June 2023 (EDT)

== ROTB Screencaps ==

Apologies for the sudden message, but I was wondering if it would be okay to upload screencaps from the YouTube Rise of the Beasts Videos for certain pages for use on character pages. They technically are within the guidelines under the ruling of "No leaks" as the screenshots are from publicly available videos on YouTube via the official Paramount Pictures Channel, and I believe they are of a good picture quality. If we need to wait until a home release is made, then I understand, but I wanted your input before jumping the gun on the matter. -- [[User:MavPolly123|MavPolly123]] ([[User talk:MavPolly123|talk]]) 18:26, 29 June 2023 (EDT)
:Yes, anything screencaps from official trailers or preview clips is fair game. If they're on an official Hasbro or Paramount channel, they're 100% okay to use. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:52, 29 June 2023 (EDT)

==ROTB Airazor==
What seems to be the issue with me merely adding that she was originally adding that she never transformed or that she was supposed to?
:Because both those things are already noted on her page. Also, sign your posts. (Type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:56, 2 July 2023 (EDT)
:I added to one of those and that's when you replied back to stop edit-warring it.

<[[User:Calexander0713|Calexander0713]] ([[User talk:Calexander0713|talk]]) 20:59, 2 July 2023 (EDT)>

== Puffer ==

I’ve recently added information about g1 Puffer. Unfortunately you deleted my entry, because I had no source. Unfortunately the website where Puffer was first mentioned, does not exist anymore (since it has been more than 20 years ago). So that pretty much rules out any proof I have of my text.
I know for a fact that what I’ve posted, really happened. But I don’t have any proof of that. Is there any way that you do add the information? Just until someone can proof something else (which they can’t because I know what legitimately happened :-))
Hope you can reconsider!
Thanks in advance! {{unsigned|GodGinrai}}
: Sorry, but you need proof for a claim like this. Besides, even if the story was true, I genuinely doubt it's the reason the toy was named as such; like, is there literally ''any'' reason to believe that Hasbro named the toy for that reason and not just the obvious "'''P'''ipes + H'''uffer'''"? Sometimes, the simplest answer is the right one. (Also, remember to type <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign your talk page posts.) -- 10:49, 4 July 2023 (EDT)
::Well, hold on, I agree that there needs to be more proof, but Hasbro absolutely named the toy that because it was a long-standing fan nickname. If we can find more proof that verifies GodGinrai's story, I think it should absolutely be included; the people at Hasbro might not have known its history, but that doesn't make it any less worthy of inclusion. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:14, 4 July 2023 (EDT)
:::: Thanks Escargon! And I actually found some sort of proof, on the old ATT newsgroup. I do mention Puffer (although making him Klaas as I mentioned in my earlier post). But the post from early 2000 is some sort of proof: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.transformers/c/YkR6bBAj9ww/m/bpGU4XDJkVoJ. On April 1 2000 I say: “ The reason WHY we called him Klaas cause it's because we didn't knew it was Huffer or Pipes... so we we're discussing that..eventually it was something like: "Blue Huffer.. No.. Alter-Transform-Pipes... Puffer.. Hipes...screw it.. it's KLAAS!.. hehehehe OK :)”
::::As you see in the discussion, no one has ever seen or mentioned Puffer before. This was the first time I explained where the name came from. {{unsigned|GodGinrai}}
:::::Perhaps, but I question the ability to claim this as the name's definitive origin point, especially 14 years removed from the toy's original release; it seems more likely IMO that "Puffer" is an obvious enough portmanteau like "[[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]]" that a lot of people independently came up with it, and it's just one of those things that gradually spread. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:17, 9 July 2023 (EDT)
::::::I had a search of ATT and it does look like the earliest uses of Puffer were from GodGinrai and Devvi, with it later being used by others (here's Nevermore using it in 2004 [https://groups.google.com/g/alt.toys.transformers/c/d0D4qlLxObY/m/AEREJcIzHd4J]) so lacking other evidence, I can buy that they coined the term originally and it caught on in Fandom. Though I don't know that we want to go into the amount of detail present in the original note. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:42, 9 July 2023 (EDT)
:::::: so.. are we cool to post the extra info I gave on Puffer? The proof is there and I believe it’s a cool piece of background information about the origin of the name Puffer. Hope you agree! {{unsigned|GodGinrai}}
::::::: I added back a truncated version of the note with the cited source, as I agree with Abates that there didn't need to be ''that'' much detail. Also, once again, please sign your posts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:13, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

==So there's a guy who removed my image of Bisk on his page twice==
Do you agree with why he said he removed it? He said it's cluttering the page, which isn't really the case to me. [[User:SerafettinB|SerafettinB]] ([[User talk:SerafettinB|talk]]) 4:35, 6 July 2023 (TRT)
:Don't know about Cyberlink, but I definitely agree with Saix. Three images in that short section of text is too much. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:25, 6 July 2023 (EDT)

==Partner up!==
Hi, my name is Kate and I am the founder of the Independent Fallout Wiki (over yonder at [https://fallout.wiki/ fallout.wiki]). A few members of our community recommended your wiki as one we should reach out to in order to partner up with (big fans!) The Independent Fallout Wiki split off the corporately hosted wiki to give independence a whirl in April 2022. We want to strengthen relationships between other independent wikis, as our community has interests that span beyond Fallout and are excited to check out other independent sites.

What does a partnership even mean? Good question! On our end, we feature your website on the wiki as both an article and part of the home page spotlight rotation. If you have a Discord, we also feature your invite along with links to your YouTube/website/videos. If you have similar spaces, we just ask that you do the same for us. You can check out the list of our current wiki buddies [https://fallout.wiki/wiki/FalloutWiki:Affiliates here]!

These partnerships work well to connect independent wikis, lead to new friends, and are generally good vibes across the board. I appreciate you considering our request to partner up! If you feel like giving it a go or have any questions, feel free to respond here or message me on Discord (kateaces) or let me know who I should reach out to if you aren't in the partnerin business. Thank you so much in advance! 
--- <3 [[User:Kid Aces|'''''Kate Aces''''']] [[File:SlipstreamCyberverse-magazinemodel.jpg|20px|link=User talk:Kid Aces]] [[User talk:Kid Aces|''Windblade be kinda mid ngl'']] 02:10, 23 August 2023 (EDT)
:Hi there! Appreciate you reaching out, but I spoke to other members of the team and we're not currently looking to do any sort of site affiliation right now. Wishing you all the best though. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:03, 24 August 2023 (EDT)
:: No worries at all, thank you for letting me know! [[User:Kid Aces|'''''Kate Aces''''']] [[File:SlipstreamCyberverse-magazinemodel.jpg|20px|link=User talk:Kid Aces]] [[User talk:Kid Aces|''Windblade be kinda mid ngl'']] 01:48, 27 August 2023 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Legitimately, thank you for fixing my bad name for the Gamerguy image. I haven’t edited a wiki in along while and forgot that would happen. Good thing you caught that!

[[User:Off-the-grounder|Off-the-grounder]] ([[User talk:Off-the-grounder|talk]]) 00:33, 6 November 2023 (EST)

== United Nations Space Law. ==

Hello, on the 18th of November you edited a post I made on the TFP episode 'Deadlock', citing that UN laws do not apply in space. I would like to present the following point to reinstate the edit accordingly;

https://www.unoosa.org/oosa/en/ourwork/spacelaw/index.html

Following the few laws set in space, it is noted that any astronaut in space must be considered an 'envoy of mankind'. Whilst Knock-Out is, obviously, not a human - he is still considered an enemy of the united states based on the clandestine war being held between the US divisions assisting the Autobots and the Decepticons. Therefore, Miko is expected to maintain these laws accordingly.

Whilst considered an enemy he is still, following our laws, subject to rights of soldiers in war regardless of the invading force's following of said laws.

Ergo, legally speaking, Miko is a war-criminal and I feel it is important to educate (and entertain) readers on the matter, and I would appreciate if you would reconsider your decision.

If you decide it is not to be, then I understand and wish you a lovely day and a happy 2024 to come regardless. We all deserve a pleasant year and good fortune in these times.

Sincerely, Minty. --{{unsigned|Mintyfreshtea|23:23, 2 January 2024 (EST)}}
:You are reading ''way'' too much into a one-off gag. The edit stands. Also, please use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to automatically sign your posts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:07, 3 January 2024 (EST)

::Thank you for the insight on the sign-off, but I would appreciate you don't speak to me like that. Telling someone they're "just reading too much" into it doesn't promote discussion. I'm not presenting a 'crack theory' or going out of my way to rant about how 'children cannot be soldiers in the Transformers show' as that would be a banal point. But Miko did assault someone who was not in a position nor a proclivity to fight back, and I feel it's important to note this at the very least.

::Perhaps a compromise - without citing laws if you feel they are inappropriate for the space. Maybe "Miko is noted to attack Knock-Out after he defects" - and, if humour is what was lacking from the trivia? "Not cool." Added to the end?
::Active critiques of media assist us in recognising inappropriate behaviour and analyze the writing of these shows, for example there is a section (using Knock-Out for example) where they comment on the stilted reaction of the audience during a 'QnA'.

::I understand you're a big name in the community and hold a lot of weight, you've been on a lot of shows (I recognised the username admittedly) and you are an avid editor on this wiki. I respect this, and I would like to collaborate rather than us leaving this element absent entirely.

::Sincerely, Minty.

::[[User:Mintyfreshtea|Mintyfreshtea]] ([[User talk:Mintyfreshtea|talk]]) 02:11, 4 January 2024 (EST)

:::No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:32, 4 January 2024 (EST)

::::This does hurt to experience from two administrators. This no longer feels like a wiki where I am welcome, nor that I have been heard or that I have been respected. I have presented my case, and I have been responded to with neither care nor consideration - but, I still hope you have a good day regardless of how this exchange has made me feel

::::Thank you Sipher and Cyberlink for your time.
::::Sincerely, [[User:Mintyfreshtea|Mintyfreshtea]] ([[User talk:Mintyfreshtea|talk]]) 02:42, 4 January 2024 (EST)
:::::It was a tangential trivia note that had very little to do with the episode, something we have actively taken steps to curtail in recent years, and one that makes a lot of assumptions about how international human law applies to the Cybertronian conflict that are not spelled out in the material as presented. And your compromise of "Miko is noted to attack Knock-Out after he defects. Not cool." isn't even adding any meaningful commentary at that point; it's just observing a thing that happens in the episode with no further analysis to explain why that's significant, making it even less worthy of inclusion. Furthermore, if being told "no" once by an authority figure is enough to inspire this level of vitriol, particularly when the initial response was not especially harsh, it does call into question your ability to edit collaboratively with others in the first place; per a discussion with other members of the administration, everyone is in agreement that your behavior in response to this incident has been out of line. Please take some time to reflect and decide whether this single bullet point is really worth getting this emotional over. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:43, 4 January 2024 (EST)

==Blocks==
can you stop blocking me because i accidentally sign into the wrong account? i'm trying to contribute but i keep getting locked out. [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 21:22, 12 January 2024 (EST)
:I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:23, 12 January 2024 (EST)
:EDIT: Okay, now I see what you're talking about. Unfortunately, [[Transformers_Wiki:Policies#Multiple_user_names|per our policies]], you're only allowed to have one username. As I recall, you were very close to being fully banned for being in violation of that rule, but it was decided to just ban the alt instead. I suggest you just stick with your existing account, or else you ''will'' find yourself fully banned. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:35, 12 January 2024 (EST)

==Thank you==
Thanks for helping me with [[Luis Antonio Delgado | this]] article, I'm still new and getting used to the formatting. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 21:46, 7 February 2024 (EST)

==Brad's girlfriend==
I think given comments in the film it's pretty clear that the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmkPONYlik4 Maaco - Transformers The Last Knight Commercial: Brad Decision] commercial is further developing this subplot. Which page would this be most appropriate to mention it on? [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 22:43, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
:It's really not. There's literally no evidence at all, overt or implied, that this is referring to the same Brad. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:46, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
::Well, where do we document marketing material associated with the films. The ad itself is worth documenting even if you don't agree with Brad. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 22:50, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
:::[[Commercial/The Last Knight]]. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:52, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
::::Thanks for your help! [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 22:54, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
==Quotes==
I thought that other user was referring to the quote which was attached to the other image of the Unicron page...which really was a bad quote according to the points you raised in the message you left in your edit. I left a note on the user's page as that quote is the only quote that actually identifies the book by that name so I thought it was important. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 00:25, 22 March 2024 (EDT)

==I have some questions in regards to image captions==
As far as I know, just changing jokes to other jokes without adding actual information is not allowed. is adding nothing but jokes to images that don't have any not allowed too?

Also, would you guys have problems with adding screencaps from cartoons where the caption is just mentioning what is in the image without making any jokes?

[[User:SerafettinB|SerafettinB]] ([[User talk:SerafettinB|talk]]) 18:55, 6 June 2024 (TRT)
:Yes, repeated adding of captions without information is frowned upon. If someone is an established user with a long history of positive contributions, we're more lenient if they want to add a joke to a blank caption here or there. The ability to add jokes has always been meant as a reward for the people who are actually putting in the work, and the people who aren't willing to do so usually don't get to stick around long.

:As for your other question, descriptive or informative captions are only needed if it's something that can't be conveyed just by looking at the image, though doing so may be redundant if the exact same text explaining it is already on the page in close proximity. The Decepticon Waspinator pic you uploaded, for example, probably didn't need the caption because there was already a note next to it explaining why he had a Decepticon insigna, hence why I scrapped the caption and just added (seen at right) to the end of the existing note to illustrate that's what it was talking about. In those instances, it's okay to just leave the caption blank or put a joke in as long as there's accompanying text to explain the context.

:I'd recommend reading our [[Transformers Wiki:Captions|captions policy]] to get a more in-depth understanding of what is and isn't permitted on that front. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:07, 7 June 2024 (EDT)

==Brawl in Skybound issue 7==
Hey just wondering about the removed edit to Skybound issue 7 about Brawl. What was ambiguous about it; my observation or my wording? Also was that the right place to put such things in the first place? Lastly, I think my theory is relevant given issue #9.([[User:Ratbat72!|Ratbat72!]] ([[User talk:Ratbat72!|talk]]) 21:53, 10 June 2024 (EDT)) {{unsigned|Ratbat72!}}
:Like I said, the page itself is too ambiguous. It's too hard to tell from the silhouettes who they actually are. If you don't have more substantial evidence than "it kinda looks like them", it shouldn't be added to the page. And I don't know what you mean about Issue 9, since it's not out yet. Also, please [[Transformers Wiki:Policies#SIGN YOUR POSTS|sign your posts]]. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 02:01, 9 June 2024 (EDT)

AH ok that makes sense. It looks like I got my copy of Issue #9 before street date; so I guess I'll stop talking for now. ([[User:Ratbat72!|Ratbat72!]] ([[User talk:Ratbat72!|talk]]) 21:53, 10 June 2024 (EDT))

== Discord ==

Hey, um, I have a problem with the discord wiki you guys got. I just joined in the discord to hang but someone on it kicked me out and i can't get back in. Is there a problem i had or...? [[User:B-Master2020|B-Master2020]] ([[User talk:B-Master2020|talk]]) 18:15, 25 June 2024 (EDT)
:I still haven't got an answer to why I was kicked out of the discord. It's still not letting me back in. [[User:B-Master2020|B-Master2020]] ([[User talk:B-Master2020|talk]]) 22:16, 7 October 2024 (EDT)
::I was told you were blocked for the linking of wildly inappropriate content in your Discord profile, and that the ban is non-negotiable. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:22, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
:::But i didn’t have any links to any inappropriate content on my discord profile. You didn’t told me i was blocked for that. Do I ever do that on that server? I would never do that. I just joined in and then suddenly they kicked me out with no reason. [[User:B-Master2020|B-Master2020]] ([[User talk:B-Master2020|talk]]) 12:26, 9 October 2024 (EDT)
::::I wasn't the one who blocked you since I was away at the time, but multiple other staff members have attested to seeing explicit content linked in your profile, so I stand by their decision. As said before, the block is non-negotiable. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:09, 9 October 2024 (EDT)
:::::I have no explicit content on my profile. I have nothing on it that has anything to do with this block. I haven’t broken any rules when i was on that server. You staff members need to recheck it through over this if i done anything, because i’ve been clean on whatever that discord server had! Period. It’s just a discord profile. There’s nothing bad about it having explicit content. What proof do you hve that I have against that? [[User:B-Master2020|B-Master2020]] ([[User talk:B-Master2020|talk]]) 16:44, 9 October 2024 (EDT)
::::::Okay, to be EXCEEDINGLY blunt, your associated social media profiles had a bunch of inappropriate comments about underage-coded characters, along with links to explicit art thereof. The volume of it was enough that multiple people on the mod team were thoroughly creeped out and unanimously decided that's not the kind of thing we want anywhere near our server, hence the block. While our current policies do not dictate that users banned on the Discord must also be banned on the Wiki and vice-versa, I suggest you drop this line of conversation unless you want to be fully cut off here as well. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:52, 9 October 2024 (EDT)

== I apologize... ==

Greetings. First, I want to really apologize for not understanding how things work here. It isn't the same thing as Wikipedia, but I still want to be useful. How could I make a new article? I want to write one based on the characters and story arcs featured in the [[Energon Universe]]. Thank you.[[User:Fico Puricelli|Fico Puricelli]] ([[User talk:Fico Puricelli|talk]]) 19:13, 24 July 2024 (EDT)
:We don't need an article listing all the characters because we already have [[:Category:Energon Universe characters|categories]] for that purpose. And we don't need an article with a list of story arcs because that's not how we format information here; each series and issue gets its own individual article, and we only make articles for [[:Category:Story arcs|specific story arcs]] when they are actually of note, such as a branded crossover story that spans multiple series. If you really want to help, you can look at the character tables on any of the individual issue articles and check to see which ones haven't been made yet or aren't up to date in terms of their EU fiction. Please take note of how other articles are formatted, such as the primarily in-universe writing style and the use of storylink templates to reference when each event took place. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:59, 24 July 2024 (EDT)

== Thank you ==
hi,just wanted to say I appreciate you fixing the Robosen article,I was in a rush with school and eager to do something to help the wiki,sorry if I made a mess of things--[[User:Balloney|Balloney]] ([[User talk:Balloney|talk]]) 22:16, 16 October 2024 (EDT)
:Writing for the wiki isn't really something you should be rushing. There isn't some time limit in which articles need to be made, and we do have certain standards for contributions, including an understanding of basic spelling, grammar and formatting; otherwise, it just creates more work that other editors need to clean up. I strongly suggest you read our help pages and study how other articles are formatted before making further contributions, or else you may find your edits being reverted simply because other editors don't have the patience to fix any errors. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:00, 17 October 2024 (EDT)

== There's an user who removed my additions to a bunch of pages ==
They are called Saix. I don't know why they started doing this since most of these additions were a year ago, and it seemed like they suddenly decided to check my contributions and remove every addition I added to pages

They also frequently remove other people's contributions as well, things like images that were on pages for years. I'm curious why they are frequently doing this.
[[User:SerafettinB|SerafettinB]] ([[User talk:SerafettinB|talk]]) 21:46, 1 September 2024 (TRT)

== I'm still not good at English.==
Hay Cyberlink420 I’m sorry I'm still not good at English. And I don’t edit tfone brawn page. But I like [[Animation error/gallery]]wiki page.
see you next time.[[user:1542bumblebee]](talk)05:43(Korean time)2024 October seventeenth

== About "leaked" Wasp boxart ==

The boxart image of Wasp I uploaded and that you removed for being leaked was not from a leaked source, it was from an official Hasbro Flagship Store listing on Chinese site JD. Same with any other AOTP boxart spreading around. [[User:Gigirassy|Gigirassy]] ([[User talk:Gigirassy|talk]]) 13:01, 5 December 2024 (EST)

User talk:Gigirassy

2024-12-05T17:57:27Z

Gigirassy:

Wasp

2024-12-05T17:56:16Z

Gigirassy:

{{factions|autobot|decepticon|predacon|hofsilver}}
{{disambig3|Waspinator}}
:''Wasp is an [[Autobot]]-turned-[[Decepticon]] from the [[Animated continuity family]].''

[[File:WaspAnimated-botmodel.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Wasp and Bee. Obvious, with hindsight.]]

'''Wasp''' is a lot like [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]... physically, at least. Built from the same chassis and sharing many of the same specifications and subroutines, the two Autobots attended boot camp together. Wasp's pompous, smarmy personality leaves something to be desired, but he had a lot going for him as a soldier, being highly skilled in the use of his stingers and knowing just how to toe the line with the drill sergeant. In a better life, he might have been [[Elite Guard]] commander material.

''Might'' have.

These days, though, Wasp is a broken bot, mentally unstable and on the run from the Autobots who have branded him a traitor. And, thanks to [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]'s experimentation, he's been reformatted into '''Waspinator''', a high-powered, techno-organic monstrosity. What little remains of his mind is focused on just one goal... destroying Bumblebee, the bot who ruined his life!

{{bigquote|You were always mean to me and Bumblebee. You may not be a traitor... but you were ''never'' a good bot.|[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] tells Wasp off|"[[Where Is Thy Sting?]]"}}
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==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
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{{voiceactor|[[Tom Kenny]] (English), [[Bumper Robinson]] (English, "Where Is Thy Sting?"), [[Kenji Nojima]] (Japanese, Wasp), [[Kensō Katō]] (Japanese, Waspinator)|[[Jaron Löwenberg]] (German), [[Luca Sandri]] (Italian), [[Rodrigo Contreras]] (Latin-American Spanish, seasons 1 and 2), [[Daniel Lema]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Marco Aurélio Campos]] (Portuguese), [[Nelson Machado]] (Portuguese, season 3), [[Petri Hanttu]] (Finnish), [[Vincent Violette]] (French, Wasp), [[Bruno Magne]] (French, "Where Is Thy Sting?"), [[Sylvain Lemarié]] (French, Waspinator)}}

[[File:WaspAutobot.jpg|left|thumb|upright=0.85|This can't end well.]]

Wasp was a cadet in the same group as Bumblebee, [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]] and [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm]]. Right away, Wasp took a dislike to Bumblebee, insulting him out of the blue as the yellow bot mused to himself about his future in the Elite Guard. He also dubbed Bulkhead a "[[Mudflap (slang)|mudflap]]," much to the amusement of his fellow cadets. The loud-mouthed drill sergeant [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Minor]] took an immediate liking to "Wasp," as he dubbed him due to being impressed with his accuracy with his stingers–it was Bumblebee "bumbling" in trying to compete with this that led to his own name being assigned. Wasp and Ironhide quickly became close friends, often competing in little tests of strength, usually involving Wasp hitting or stinging Ironhide while the latter was in armor mode.

After Bumblebee "bumbled" several more times, leading to many [[transform-up]]s for the whole group, Wasp and Ironhide decided to take matters into their own hands, unscrewing Bumblebee's lower legs and leaving them out of reach even before they dumped the rest of him in a locker.

Unbeknown to Wasp, however, the reason for Bumblebee's foul-ups was that he was trying to out a traitor in the group—and had pegged Wasp as the likely culprit after seeing him walk out of a hangar in which someone had contacted [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. (Plus, let's face it, he was a complete jerk. And [[Decepticon]]s are jerks, [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|right?]]) At Longarm's prompting, Bumblebee eventually found evidence incriminating Wasp as a spy. Wasp was stripped of his Autobot insignia and wheeled away, protesting his innocence and swearing revenge on Bumblebee.

[[File:WaspAnimated2.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Wasp was once a 'Bot...]]

Many years later, Wasp escaped from Autobot custody and apparently eluded the now-Sentinel Prime by jumping through a [[space bridge]]. What was left of Wasp hid beneath the bridge as Sentinel left, [[Waspinator (BW)|buzzing and twittering to himself]], still swearing revenge on "Bumblebot." In reality, however, the innocent bot—broken mentally by his years of imprisonment—had been set up with evidence planted by "Longarm," who had also arranged Wasp's "escape" to divert suspicion from himself. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

Needless to say, when the truth was revealed to Bumblebee by his old "friend," Longarm Prime (aka the Decepticon Shockwave), he took it pretty hard. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

[[File:WhereIsThySting-Bumblebeecreepilydefeated.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Bee-st Wars!]]

Wasp headed straight for the Autobots' base on Earth, with Sentinel Prime and [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] in pursuit. Waiting until Bumblebee was left alone on monitor duty (and actually playing ''[[Ninja Gladiator]]'' instead), he struck during a power outage, knocking Bumblebee cold and switching color schemes, helmets and even speech synthesizers with his rival. When Bumblebee came to, the others had returned and had him prisoner, with the disguised Wasp at their side. Despite Bumblebee's muffled cries, the Autobots fell for Wasp's ruse, forcing Bumblebee to flee into the night. Wasp stayed behind as the others tracked Bumblebee down, allowing him to try beating Bumblebee's video game and to search through Bumblebee's personal files.

When the others returned, joined by Sentinel, Jazz, [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]], Wasp was able to recount several of Bumblebee's adventures which were logged in his files to keep the Autobots confused as to which bot was which. Unfortunately for Wasp, [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] proposed the two battle against each other in ''Ninja Gladiator'', so that Bumblebee's video game skills would be readily apparent and the traitor revealed. Before their video game could begin, Wasp panicked and attacked Bumblebee, holding him hostage so he could make his escape. Wasp left Bumblebee with one final indignity, turning off the [[electronic paint job]] he'd installed in Bee and stealing his helmet back... tricking Bulkhead into pummeling the real Bumblebee while Wasp fled. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

The Autobots continued to pursue an erratic Wasp, though for different reasons: Sentinel Prime was still commanding the Elite Guard to bring him in on suspicion of treason, while Optimus and Bumblebee just wanted to help him (or at least keep him from damaging himself and bystanders during his crazed flight). In the midst of a pursuit through the streets of Detroit, Bumblebee tried once again to convince Wasp that he was now known to be innocent and was set up by Longarm, but Wasp refused to listen. During the chase, Wasp was suddenly abducted by [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]], who carried him to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]].

[[File:PredaconsRising Waspinator.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|"Wazzpinator is back...and Wazzpinator tired of being comic relief."]]

Wasp soon found himself in [[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]]'s old underground lab going ga-ga over [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]. The spiderbot used her feminine wiles and familiar-sounding sob stories of Autobot betrayal to win Wasp's trust, and she convinced him to undergo an organic power augmentation procedure by impressing him with the ferocity of her own [[beast mode]] (while shielding him from seeing the disfigured mutant corpses left behind from her prior experiments). Wasp entered one [[unspace|transwarp]] chamber, a real organic wasp was put into another, and out came... Waspinator, three times larger than before, with more powerful energy "stings" and a deeper, heavily processed, voice. Waspinator also now sported a Decepticon insignia, indicating a final break away from the Autobots on his part.

When he was finally tracked down by Bumblebee, who apologized to him and wanted to be his friend, he decided that while "Wasp" forgave his former accuser, "Waspinator" preferred violent revenge. Talk about Jekyll and Hyde. But before Waspinator could deliver the final blow, he overheard Blackarachnia admitting to the Autobots that she only viewed her new "friend" as another experimental attempt to cure her own organic infection. Irate at yet another betrayal, Waspinator started attacking everybody—and if that wasn't scary enough, his transwarp energy became unstable. Just as Waspinator reached critical mass, Blackarachnia sealed them both within a cocoon of her energy webbing, containing the explosion of transwarp energy.

[[File:TFAni Predacons Rising Waspinator Hazz Planzzz.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Some assembly required.]]

While only a crater was left on Dinobot Island, Waspinator and Blackarachnia were teleported by the transwarp energy to an unknown jungle. Although reduced to pieces by the explosion, Waspinator was still functional, and slowly began putting himself back together. After all, he couldn't go offline yet... because "Wazzzpinator hazz planzzz!" {{storylink|Predacons Rising (Animated)|Predacons Rising}}

''At the time of [[Cheetor (Animated)|Cheetor]]'s demotion from Transtech to Iacon Central, a wanted poster for Wasp was hung outside [[Depth Charge (Animated)|Depth Charge]]'s office.'' {{storylink|Moving Violations}}

{{--}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
In [[Malgus 508.6 Zeta]], the destruction of Dinobot Island blasted Waspinator's spark clear of his body and into [[Unspace]]. It was eventually discovered by the dimension-hopping Jhiaxus of [[Viron 903.0 Beta]], who used it to power a [[protoform]] [[blank]] who would become [[Thrust (Attacktix)|Thrust]]. Although Thrust cultivated a suave and confident persona, his subconscious memories of being an unlucky bungler continued to haunt him, manifesting as a cowardly streak in battle. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/09}}

==Toys==
===''Animated''===
[[File:Waspinatoranimateddeluxe.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Finally Blackarachnia has a pal... and by "pal", we mean "guinea pig".]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Waspinator''' (Deluxe Class, 2009 / 2010)}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number:'' '''TA-37'''
:*''Takara release date'': [[August 28]], 2010
{{toydesigner|[[Eric Siebenaler]] (Hasbro), [[Alex Kubalsky]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

: Part of the sixth wave of ''[[Transformers Animated|Animated]]'' Deluxe Class toys, Waspinator transforms from a techno-organic wasp into a techno-organic, four-armed, winged robot. In both modes, a lever on the thorax flaps his wings back and forth via spring-loaded internal gearing mechanism.

: His antennae are made of softer rubber, to allow them to be wedged within his insect head, as well as [[for safety reasons]].

: Takara also released Waspinator in the seventh wave of their [[Transformers Animated (toyline)#TakaraTomy Animated toyline|''Animated'' toyline]] years later. Waspinator is mostly the same, though the silver paint on his insect-mode head has been expanded down to his mouthparts, plus his Decepticon symbol is now colored purple with a white outline, rather than the Hasbro version's plain gold.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/Waspinator/waspinator.htm More information on Waspinator at TFU.info]''

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[[File:AnimatedFugitiveWaspinator.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Because nobody would buy "Forcefully Paint-Altered Bumblebee".]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Fugitive Waspinator''' (Deluxe Class, <s>2010</s>)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Detachable twin boosters
{{toydesigner|[[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}

: "Fugitive Waspinator", apparently named such because of [[trademark]] issues with the name "Wasp", represents Wasp before he became a freak mutant. He is a simple [[redeco]] of [[Bumblebee (Animated)#Deluxe|Deluxe class Bumblebee]], transforming into a green sub-compact hatchback. The two halves of his stinger weapon, stored in his forearms, can be flipped out and pegged together (presumably, this mold would have used the corrected version that allows them to fully retract into his forearms). In both robot and car mode, his two booster rockets can be attached on his back. In addition, although not shown in the cartoon, both Waspinator's windows and headlights are tinted purple in order to give him a more Beast Wars-like appearance while retaining his original vehicle form.

: While he was actually unaligned at the point in the cartoon when Wasp had this [[alternate mode]], Fugitive Waspinator is a Decepticon for simple branding purposes.

: At his reveal at [[BotCon 2009]], [[Hasbro]] explained that "...either [[Ironhide (Animated)#Toys|Ironhide]] got a new head, or Wasp did." They went with the former... which turned out for the better, since Wasp was ultimately never released.
{{canceledtoy}}
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[[File:AOTP_Wasp_Boxart.jpeg|thumb|width=200|After 15 years, Wasp has escaped <s>Miami</s> Detroit!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Animated Wasp''' (Deluxe Class, <s>2025</s>)}}</ul>
: First officially revealed through a listing with his box art on Chinese shopping site JD, Wasp is a new-head retool of [[Bumblebee_(Animated)/toys#Legacy|Legacy United Animated Bumblebee]]. He has a Decepticon symbol over a rubsign and his head is slightly thinner to allow for transformation.

==Notes==
* The small, vestigial arms present on the Deluxe Waspinator toy's [[robot mode]] torso have their origin in an early design concept for [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]; the bounty hunter robot's [[character model]] was subsequently altered to make his appearance less monstrous, but [[Derrick J. Wyatt]] loved the concept of the vestigial arms enough to incorporate them instead into Waspinator's design.<ref>[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/05/evolution-of-lockdown.html The Evolution of Lockdown] and [http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/10/tfa-s3-chin-on.html TFA S3: CHIN ON!]</ref>
* The signature quote given to Waspinator on his toy packaging is "Waspinator rules!", one of several phrases associated with the original ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' incarnation of Waspinator. He uttered it in "[[A Better Mousetrap]]" and "[[Maximal, No More]]".
* Derrick Wyatt stated on his blog that this incarnation of Waspinator is inspired by his ''Beast Wars'' counterpart, but made more monstrous and buglike. Wyatt examined photographs of actual wasps, nature shows like ''Life in the Undergrowth'' and monster movies for inspiration. The FX studio, Audio Circus, added insectoid clicks and other background sounds for the character.<ref>[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2009/04/oh-canada-here-i-come.html Oh Canada, here I come!]</ref>
* In technorganic mode, Waspinator is capable of firing energy blasts from his vestigial arms. This appears to be the mutated version of his original stinger attack, similar to Elita-1/Blackarachnia retaining her downloading power.
* Wasp is the only character to have shown three different bodies throughout the show (a Cybertronian race car, a green version of Bumblebee's Earthen car mode, and a giant wasp).
* Wasp wears the [[65356-9292-346]] [[body-type]].
* His last scene is an homage to the original ''Beast Wars'' Waspinator, who had a habit of getting blown to pieces and putting himself back together.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Wasp''' (ワスプ ''Wasupu''), '''Waspinator''' (ワスピネーター ''Wasupinētā'')
*''Russian:'' '''Osa''' (Оса, "Wasp")

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Animated Autobots]]
[[Category:Animated Decepticons]]
[[Category:Animated Predacons]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
[[Category:Turncoats]]

Transformers One (toyline)

2024-05-09T21:30:38Z

Gigirassy: adding race changers

{{Nav-one}}

The '''''Transformers One''''' toyline coincides with the [[Transformers One (film)|eighth film]] in the [[live-action film series]]. Much like the merchandising for ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (toyline)|Rise of the Beasts]]'', the film's self-titled toyline is focused on kid-oriented products, with the collector-targeted figures released as part of the ongoing ''[[Studio Series]]'' line, co-branded with the film's title.

==Hasbro ''Transformers One'' toyline==
As several characters undergo name changes in the film, many toys of those characters feature both names.

===Prime Changers===
Revealed on the same day as the first ''Transformers One'' trailer, the Prime Changers range of figures are of simpler build quality than the contemporary ''Generations'' toylines, more akin to the Deluxe Class offerings in the recent ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'' and ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (toyline)|EarthSpark]]'' toylines.

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Alpha Trion (ROTF)#One|Alpha Trion]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#One|Optimus Prime/Orion Pax]]}}
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|}

===Cog Changers===
This assortment of one-step changers is activated by pressing a [[transformation cog]] shaped panel.

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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-multi|[[Airachnid (One)#CogChangers|Airachnid]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#CogChangers|Bumblebee/B-127]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Wheeljack (Movie)#CogChangers|Wheeljack]]}}
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|[[File:TF-One-Cog-Changers-Airachnid.jpg|thumb|Cog Changers Airachnid]]
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===Mega Changers===
A rebranding of Titan Changers line of figures.
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
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<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#MegaChangers|Bumblebee]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#MegaChangers|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (Movie)/toys#MegaChangers|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Starscream (Movie)/toys#MegaChangers|Starscream]]}}
</ul>
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|}

===Race Changers===
Reusing [[Bot Shots (toyline)|Bot Shots]] molds out of all things, these two-packs are geared towards young children with a battle gimmick, and come with launchers.
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#RaceChangers|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (Movie)/toys#RaceChangers|Megatron]]}}
</ul>

===Robot Battlers===
A return of the rock'em sock'em style of play, this assortment features very simple transformable figures with accessories and battle bases, with the goal of knocking your opponent's figure off of their base.

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width=100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Single packs'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#RobotBattlers|Bumblebee/B-127]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Elita-One (Movie)#RobotBattlers|Elita-1]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)#RobotBattlers|Sentinel Prime]]}}
</ul>
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|width="20%" valign="top"|'''2-pack'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#RobotBattlers|Optimus Prime]] vs [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#RobotBattlers|Megatron]]}}
</ul>
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|[[File:TF-One-Robot-Battlers-Elita-1.jpg|thumb|Robot Battlers Elita-1]]
|}

===2 in 1 Masks===
The wearable transforming mask concept from ''Rise of the Beasts'' makes a return.

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<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#OneMask|Bumblebee/B-127]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#OneMask|Optimus Prime/Orion Pax]]}}
|}

===Other toys===
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Miscellaneous'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#PowerFlip|Power Flip Optimus Prime]]}}
|}

==''Generations''==
===''Studio Series''===
{{nav-studio}}
Continuing the pattern established by ''[[Transformers: Bumblebee (toyline)|Bumblebee]]'', the collector-focused toys in the ''Transformers One'' line were produced under the umbrella of the evergreen ''[[Studio Series]]'' collector toyline. All toys branded as ''Transformers One'' tie-ins are listed below. Notably, ''One'' characters have been scaled to fit within the Deluxe Class to make them more afforable.<ref>[[April 25]], [[2024]]'s [https://youtu.be/s06YE02e844?t=1181 Hasbro Pulse Transformers Fanstream | April 2024] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]], and [[Mark Maher]].</ref>

;Deluxe Class
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''A-Level'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|SS-112 [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#SS112|Optimus Prime]]}}
</ul>
|}

==Notes==

===Foreign names===

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:One (toyline)}}
[[Category:One| (toyline)]]
[[Category:Live-action film series toylines]]

Triple Changer

2024-04-14T10:08:19Z

Gigirassy: i think this little tidbit is worth mentioning

[[File:5 blitzwing new world order.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Blitzwing demonstrates his triple-changing abilities, transforming from an ''incredibly'' unconvincing jet into a tank that's only ''slightly'' unconvincing.]]
In their quest for ever-greater machines of war, the [[Decepticon]]s developed warriors with two distinct [[alternate mode]]s. These '''Triple Changers''' can travel by land and air with equal ease and in the heat of battle they can rapidly change form to confuse and outflank the enemy. To counter this threat, the [[Autobot]]s also developed their own group of Triple Changers.

The Triple Changers are:

<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Octane]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Springer (G1)|Springer]]}}
</ul>

{{note|In Transformers fiction, the term "Triple Changer" refers almost exclusively to these two subgroups which are the only such characters ever shown as cohesive teams. However, other official sources such as toy packaging, catalogs, [[Hasbro]] spokespersons and commercials have applied the term "Triple Changer" rather haphazardly to other characters from [[Continuity family|various continuities]]. Further muddying the waters, a few characters with three distinct modes have never been labeled as Triple Changers in toys or fiction even in cases where it would really make sense to do so.}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:TripleTakeover Blitzwing Astrotrain stadium.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]
The Triple Changers [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] joined [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s forces sometime after their leader woke up from a 4-million year sleep. Blitzwing took part in the sacking of [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]] {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} while Astrotrain helped take over [[Earth]] after the Autobots were exiled. {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2}} The pair were soon integrated into Megatron's forces with Astrotrain regularly providing transport {{storylink|Blaster Blues}} {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme (episode)|The Secret of Omega Supreme}} {{storylink|The Gambler}} {{storylink|Sea Change}} and Blitzwing providing extra muscle. {{storylink|The Golden Lagoon (episode)|The Golden Lagoon}} {{storylink|Quest for Survival}} Astrotrain had the opportunity to command a mission after shooting down [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] over [[Titan (moon)|Titan]] and took advantage of [[Titan (species)|the native species]]' [[Religion|superstitions]] by posing as one of their [[Sky God]]s. {{storylink|The God Gambit}}

It wasn't long before the two Triple Changers fell in with [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] and plotted to overthrow Megatron. What their co-conspirator didn't realize was that Astrotrain and Blitzwing intended to rule alone and once both he and their leader were out of the way the Triple Changers attempted to take over Earth in their own fashion. Astrotrain created a number of trains he controlled while Blitzwing took over a football stadium. Their rule lasted roughly as long as it took for Megatron and Starscream to thaw themselves out and then the pair found they faced [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. {{storylink|Triple Takeover}}

The two Triple Changers were dispatched to negotiate with [[Chumley|Lord Chumley]] for his help in destroying the Autobots, but the pair instead fell foul of the traps Chumley had intended for [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]. Chumley released them when it became clear he'd lost against Optimus, but instead of attacking the Autobots as he assumed they would the two Decepticons went after him. {{storylink|Prime Target (episode)|Prime Target}} Astrotrain largely returned to transportation duties following this {{storylink|The Search for Alpha Trion}} {{storylink|Hoist Goes Hollywood (episode)|Hoist Goes Hollywood}} {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}} even transporting Starscream into exile. {{storylink|Starscream's Brigade}}

By [[2005]], the Autobot Triple Changer [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] had arrived on Earth and was at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] when the Decepticons, including Astrotrain and Blitzwing attacked it. Following the climactic battle between Megatron and Prime, Astrotrain served as getaway ship taking the surviving Decepticons back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. After a second attack on Autobot City, Springer fled Earth with the other Autobots and after a stopover on [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]] took part in the effort to defeat [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}} Following Unicron's defeat the Decepticons including Astrotrain, Blitzwing and [[Octane]] ended up seeking refuge on [[Chaar]] where they survived in an [[energon]]-starved state. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} The Quintessons took advantage of this and manipulated both sides to attempt to destroy them all. Blitzwing, in the process of helping halt the Quintesson plan effectively turned traitor in [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]'s eyes and was banished from the Decepticon ranks. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

[[File:SandstormOctane BFF.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] also arrived on Earth and helped take part in investigations when Octane took control of [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], using the huge Transformer's might to secure him a deal with [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya|Carbombya]]. At the end of the affair Octane was also banished from the Decepticon ranks. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}} The Autobots encountered another Triple Changer, [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] on the planet [[Paradron]]. Sandstorm was descended from early Cybertronian migrants who had come to Paradron fleeing the war. After Paradron's destruction, Sandstorm joined the Autobot forces on Earth. {{storylink|Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee}} It was while on Earth that he befriended Octane though he was unable to prevent the Decepticons tracking the renegade down. Octane eventually fell in with Starscream, who had been reduced to an apparition and was trying to resurrect Unicron. This didn't go well. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}} Broadside continued to work with the Autobots as transport and occasionally muscle {{storylink|Carnage in C-Minor}} {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}} and for the Decepticons so did both Astrotrain {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (episode)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}} {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}} and apparently Octane. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}
{{groupstub}}
====Marvel Comics continuity====
=====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics=====
{{noteukonly}}
''[[Steamhammer (G1)|Steamhammer]] fought Autobots in a battle near the town of [[Yuss]] using both his jet and tank modes. He was killed.'' {{storylink|The Magnificent Six!}}

[[File:Ratbatcratercritters.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Didja ever wonder what guys like Astrotrain do if they have an itch in the middle of their back? That's gotta ''suck'' for 'em. There is ''no way'' he can reach back there.]]
''The Decepticon Triple Changers served alongside the [[Conehead]]s and [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] where Octane and Blitzwing developed a reputation as two of the Decepticons' [[Ten Deadliest Killers|deadliest killers]]: key targets in [[Operation: Volcano]].'' {{storylink|Target: 2006}} ''The deadly killer Octane would later oversee a [[Decepticon fuel store|fuel store]] and run away screaming from Autobots.'' {{storylink|Resurrection!}}

The Decepticon Triple Changers were called into service by [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] when a freighter that he had sent to [[Earth]] failed to make contact upon its arrival. The three Triple Changers traveled to Earth via [[space bridge]] and located the crashed freighter at the bottom of an impact crater. They quickly discovered that the pilot had become infected with [[scraplet]]s...which immediately infected ''them'' as well. Despite the rapidly spreading disease, they were happy to attack two Autobots who arrived to investigate the crater. One of the Autobots fled while the other proved to be a fair match for the trio. {{storylink|Crater Critters}}

Eventually, they overpowered and captured [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], taking him prisoner. Astrotrain contacted Ratbat on Cybertron, requesting a cure. Instead, Ratbat dispatched a group of captured Autobots with orders to destroy all the infected Transformers on Earth with canisters of acid... including his own troops! Weakened by the disease, the Triple Changers could do little but sit around in the crater and wait for the end to come, whether by acid melting or scraplet consumption.

Luckily for the Triple Changers, the other Autobot, [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]], had managed to find a cure for the disease. Though Blaster demanded that Goldbug kill him along with the Decepticons rather than curing them, Goldbug's hand was forced the other way when the scraplets merged into a titanic combined form. He sprayed [[water|the cure]] on all the crater's occupants, including the Decepticons. Quickly recovering, the Triple Changers rallied to the attack, bringing down the combined scraplet monster with their weapons. Subsequently, they grabbed the cargo of the crashed freighter and made good their escape. {{storylink|The Cure!}}

The Triple Changers subsequently joined the main force of Decepticons on Earth, initially under [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]]'s command, then later Ratbat's. They participated in the great battle against the Autobots on the Moon, {{storylink|Totaled!}} played host to human guests at [[Club Con]], {{storylink|Club Con!}} and battled [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]]'s forces in the [[Arctic]], a battle in which they fared particularly well. {{storylink|Cold War!}} They didn't fare so well against the [[Underbase]]-powered [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], however, who slaughtered all three of them in a single blast. {{storylink|Dark Star}}

In a dystopian future, they served under [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] and killed [[Crossblades (G1)|Crossblades]]. {{storylink|Rhythms of Darkness!}}

[[File:Triplechangerstarget2006.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
''The Autobot Triple Changers first came to prominence in the days leading up to [[Operation: Volcano]]; they were called into service by [[Emirate]] [[Xaaron]] to fill in for Ultra Magnus, should the latter not return from Earth in time to participate in the mission. They convinced the [[Wreckers]]' leader, [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]], that they would be up to the challenge by beating the stuffing out of him before rocketing back to the Autobot base, [[Debris]]. When Impactor was killed in the aborted mission, Triple Changer Springer took over as Wrecker leader, with the other two becoming part of the force as well.'' {{storylink|Target: 2006}}

''The Triple Changers participated in several of the Wreckers' missions on Cybertron'' {{storylink|City of Fear!}} ''and Earth.'' {{storylink|Wrecking Havoc}} ''After the latter mission turned into a near-disaster, Sandstorm and Broadside were sent to Earth along with Inferno as an advance guard.'' {{storylink|Firebug!}} {{storylink|Cold Comfort and Joy!}}

''They were still with the Wreckers during the catastrophic battle against [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], which saw Sandstorm destroyed. Broadside and Springer survived ''{{storylink|Time Wars}} ''eventually going on to form the [[Survivors]] group.'' {{storylink|Survivors!}}
{{note|The Survivors' storyline then suffered a minor continuity switch ending up in the Earthforce continuity as seen below.}}
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======Earthforce======
{{earthforcefiction}}
[[File:Triple changers shockwave secrets.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb]]
During the [[Decepticon Civil War]] on Earth, the Decepticon Triple Changers would serve under Shockwave. {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}} Their great highlights were helping beat the snot out of [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] {{storylink|Secrets (G1)|Secrets}} and joining the massed attack on Autobot [[Earthbase]]. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}} Their lowlight was Octane getting stuck on a military firing range while full of fuel, and Astrotrain and Blitzwing leaving him behind out of annoyance. {{storylink|Manoeuvres!}}

Meanwhile, Springer and Broadside had to deal with the Decepticon [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]] leaving the Survivors to avenge his friend [[Catilla (G1)|Catilla]]'s death at the hands of the new [[Mayhem Attack Squad]], {{storylink|Wolf in the Fold!}} hooking up with [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]]'s [[Earthforce]] to assist him in defeating the Decepticon unit. {{storylink|Where Wolf?}} They would go on to defend an [[oil tanker]] from Starscream in the [[Gulf of Mexico]]. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}}
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======Marvel UK future timelines======
[[File:Rodimus technobots wreckers peace.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
In one possible future, Broadside, Springer and Sandstorm would be three of the last Autobots when the war ended in [[2510]]. [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] made Springer his successor, only for fighting to break out over it; Sandstorm fired the second shot, killing [[Triton]]. {{storylink|Peace}}
{{-}}

=====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic=====
Broadside was part of a team of "[[Firestormer]]s" that raided various Decepticon outposts across the galaxy. {{storylink|War Without End!}} Springer, meanwhile, had apparently joined [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s main force of Autobots and participated in a counter-Decepticon raid on [[Ethos]] {{storylink|Escalation!}} as well as the final battle against the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]] on Earth. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

Octane was also present in the conflict, but [[Death|not for long]]. {{storylink|Total War!}}

=====''Regeneration One''=====
{{NoteRG1}}
Megatron reanimated and lobotomized all three Decepticon Triple Changers after recovering their remains from the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], and utilized them as part of his [[zombie]] army. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 3}} The Autobot Triple Changers, as part of the Wreckers, travelled to Earth to combat this threat, though Megatron executed Springer in cold blood to provoke Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 5}} With Megatron dead and [[Aunty|Auntie]] deactivated, the inert zombies were dumped into a pit and vaporised from orbit. {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part One}}

Sandstorm and the injured Broadside returned to Cybertron aboard the ''[[Valiant (G1)|Valiant]]'' {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part Five}} where Sandstorm continued to serve with the Wreckers; keeping the peace at [[Eugenesis Plaza]] {{storylink|Destiny, Part One}} and [[Auto-artery RG1]] {{storylink|Destiny, Part Two}} and participating in a failed attack at [[Fort Scyk]] to root out [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]]'s Neo-Decepticons. {{storylink|Destiny, Part Three}} With the arrival of [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s ''[[Warworld]]'' above the planet, he formed part of a raid on the Decepticon ship but was caught unawares by the master of [[Metallikato]] and found himself impaled by a sword. {{storylink|Destiny, Part Five}}

Both Broadside and Sandstorm were well enough recovered to join Rodimus Prime's assault on the [[Hub (G2)|Hub Network]], with the Wreckers operating separately from the main Autobot forces and using the Hub's interplanetary "[[slam rail]]" tube system to avoid detection while causing massive explosions to detach planets from its superstructure. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 4}}

====Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity====
[[File:BlitzwingDissectionDreamwave.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|This detailed scientific cutaway view reveals that underneath all that armor Blitzwing is... made of [[:Category:Transformer anatomy|mechanical stuff]].]]
Triple Changers Blitzwing, Octane, Astrotrain and [[Fumes]] were involved in Decepticon battle operations around the time that Optimus Prime rose to command the Autobots. They participated in a major attack on [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] {{storylink|The War Within issue 3|The War Within #3}} and came close to victory {{storylink|The War Within issue 5|The War Within #5}} before [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] managed to destroy the entire [[Polities of Cybertron|city-state]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 6|The War Within #6}}

{{note|Blitzwing is shown to transform into all three modes during the attack on Iacon though this would seem to be retconned away by subsequent issues.}}

Blitzwing was a dangerous experiment of Shockwave's captured and kept in containment by the Autobots. He possessed unique qualities that led [[the Fallen]] to seek him out for the [[Unbinding]]. During this time, Springer led the splinter faction the Wreckers. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages}}

Later, Blitzwing and Astrotrain spontaneously began to grow new parts perhaps heralding their evolution into Triple Changers. (Yes, we know this makes no sense.) {{storylink|Recipe for Hate}}

Obsessed with improving the Cybertronian race, Shockwave created the [[Duocon]]s and though they were unstable it convinced him to go one stage further and modify several other Transformers into Triple Changers starting with Springer. Triple Changers can change between modes three times as fast as a normal Transformer. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye}}

Sandstorm, Broadside, Octane and Blitzwing formed Shockwave's Triple Changer Strike Team and travelled to Earth to apprehend the rogue crews of the ''Ark'' and ''Nemesis''. {{storylink|New World Order}} On their return to Cybertron it was revealed the Autobots had doubts about their alliance with the former Decepticons and released Prime's crew to the Autobot resistance though Sandstorm was killed by [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]]. Meanwhile, Octane chanced across the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] and provoked [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] into decapitating him. {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}} When [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] returned to wrest control of the Decepticons from Shockwave, Blitzwing remained steadfastly loyal to the one-eyed commander and so was torn apart by the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] for his trouble. {{storylink|Lost and Found (issue)|Lost and Found}}
====2005 IDW continuity====
[[File:Overcharge shadowplay.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67]]
Long before the war started Blitzwing and [[Overcharge (G1)|Overcharge]] were members of the [[Triorian Guard]], the [[Senate]]'s unit of multi-terrain Triple Changers charged with guarding the body of [[Nominus Prime]] as it lay in the [[Primal Basilica]]. {{storylink|Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|An Intimate Beheading}} Around the same time, [[Trepan]]'s [[Relinquishment Clinic]] was running a special offer on Triple Changers that proved very popular. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}}

Astrotrain and Blitzwing joined the Decepticons early in the war {{storylink|The Transformers: Autocracy|Autocracy}} and [[Octane|Tankor]] transported energy for the Decepticon army on several occasions. {{storylink|Faces of Darkness}} {{storylink|The Iron Age}}

The orphaned [[Caminus (planet)|Camien]] [[Stardrive]] was a Triple Changer able to turn into both a car and jet. After meeting more Cybertronians, she was surprised and confused to learn not all of them possessed this ability. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 3|Shining Armor #3}}

Astrotrain and Blitzwing were part of Starscream's [[Infiltration protocol|infiltration unit]] on Earth. {{storylink|The Transformers: Infiltration|Infiltration}} They survived attacks by the [[Reaper]]s and Autobots before they were driven from the planet. {{storylink|The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation}} When the Autobots returned with Omega Supreme the Decepticons retreated into space ferried by Astrotrain. {{storylink|The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron}} Tankor was left behind until [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] returned to Earth and reunited his army. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine|Enemy Mine}}

[[File:Wreckersstormbringer.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
The Autobot Triple Changers were part of the [[Wreckers]] until the team fractured leaving only Springer {{storylink|Bullets}} who was then put in a coma by [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]]. {{storylink|Zero Point}} Broadside and Sandstorm ended up with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s forces on Earth after the [[Surge (event)|Surge]]. {{storylink|The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers}} After the war formally ended, Broadside aided [[Autobot High Command]] in rebuilding society on Cybertron. Astrotrain and Blitzwing aided [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]] in preparing for Megatron's return while Tankor fell in with [[NAIL|the neutrals]] and left the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Verge}}

The two remaining Decepticons would then fall under the command of [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}} and returned to Earth as part of his plan to locate [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]]. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}} Broadside and Sandstorm served as Megatron's guards during his trial on [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]]; {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} Broadside then went on to serve under Megatron as part of the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]''. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} Meanwhile, Tankor joined a motley crew of former Autobots and Decepticons on Cybertron who would become allied with the Camiens [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] and [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]]. {{storylink|Windblade issue 3|Windblade #3}}

The [[Hydrobot (G1)|Hydrobots]] counted at least two Triple Changers among their number: [[Aquabat]] and "the other one". {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}}

===Live-action film series===
According to hypotheses chronicled in [[Vector Sigma]]'s [[datatrax]], the ability to have two or even more alternate modes may be connected to a Transformer's [[CNA|genetics]].<ref>Hasbro's online [http://web.archive.org/web/20100330183135/http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/TRANSFORMERS-Glossary.cfm Transformers glossary].</ref>

When resurrected by an [[AllSpark]] fragment, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] gained the altmode of a flying Cybertronian tank thanks to an infusion of new parts from [[Scrapmetal (ROTF)|ze little one]], in addition to his Cybertronian jet mode from [[Transformers (film)|before]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Official Movie Adaptation|Revenge of the Fallen comic adaptation}}

[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]] is shown contorting into a gun-emplacement artillery mode during [[Operation: Firestorm]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

[[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] takes on many different disguises including a printer, TV and human-sized pink [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

[[Drift (AOE)|Drift]] is shown to be able to transform into both a helicopter and a Bugatti Veyron at will without having to [[scanning|scan]] a new form. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}} Since switching into a Mercedes AMG GT R, it is currently unknown if he still possesses a third mode. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

[[Blitzwing (BB)|Blitzwing]] is also a Triple Changer, following along with [[Blitzwing (G1)|his]] [[Blitzwing (Animated)|roots]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Bumblebee Movie Prequel|Bumblebee Movie Prequel}}

[[Shatter]] and [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] were originally standard Transformers, each with their own muscle car mode, before upgrading into Triple Changers by scanning a {{w|Harrier Jump Jet|Harrier jet}} and a {{w|Bell AH-1 SuperCobra}} helicopter, respectively. {{storylink|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}}

===''Animated''===
[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] was experimented on by [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] and rebuilt as a Triple Changer, but this had the result of fracturing his mind into three distinct personalities: "Icy" Blitzwing, a cold, cunning and stone-faced tactician; "Hothead" Blitzwing, a destructively uncontained vent of rage; and "Random" Blitzwing, a comically insane and rambling maniac. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The AllSpark Almanac}} However, when it came to an [[Earth]]-based alternate mode two of his personalities, Icy and Hothead were unable to choose between a jet for the former and a tank for the latter until his Random side suggested scanning ''both'' of them. Unfortunately, his personalities changed primarily in sync with his vehicle modes, especially if he converted from Icy or Random to Hothead, which [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] later noticed and exploited via [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]'s obnoxious personality, causing Blitzwing to crash when he converted from jet mode to tank mode mid-flight. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}} {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

After Blitzwing placed a bounty on [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], the bounty hunter [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] noted to himself there was an old Decepticon saying to "never make a deal with a triple-changer". {{storylink|The Arrival issue 4|A Few Loose Strands}}

It is unknown if [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm Prime/Shockwave]] counts as a Triple Changer since his "Longarm" form had a crane-alternate mode while his default "Shockwave" form had a tank-alternate mode. This may have been due to his unique [[size changing]] abilities he employed during his extended infiltration of the Autobot ranks. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}} {{storylink|TransWarped}}

===''Cloud''===
Within [[Cloud World]], the ability to triple change was an inborn ability possessed by a few, including [[Blitzwing (Cloud)|Blitzwing]] {{Storylink|Crisis (Armada)|Crisis}} and [[Astrotrain (Cloud)|Astrotrain]]. {{Storylink|Lightwave}} Many were envious of this capability, including [[Starscream (Cloud)|Starscream]], which influenced his upgrade into a Triple Changer body by [[SARA]]'s energies. {{Storylink|Transfiguration}} [[Hot Rodimus]] would also attain a third mode through SARA's energies, although his body did not change form. {{Storylink|Awakening (Cloud)|Awakening}}

It was possible to modify one's body to gain a third mode, but this carried a large risk of terminating one's life. [[Shockwave (Cloud)|Shockwave]], being a mad logician, was able to endure the pain of modifying himself to attain a "battle mode" that combined advantages of his two natural modes. {{Storylink|Shock (Cloud)|Shock}}

===''Rescue Bots'' cartoon===
Transformers can readily scan additional modes bringing up their total to three or more. {{storylink|Changes}} {{storylink|Land Before Prime (episode)|Land Before Prime}} [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Heatwave (RB)|Heatwave]], [[Boulder]], [[Chase (RB)|Chase]], and [[Blades (RB)|Blades]] are all eventually referred to as Triple Changers, having each taken on third Dinobot forms. {{storylink|Quarry's Quarry}} Blades believes the use of Triple-Changing is unfair when used in a game of [[Rescue Ball]]. {{storylink|Rise of the Heroes}}

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:Blitzwingg1toy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|In a line cut from ''The Transformers: The Movie'', Blitzwing says that as a Triple Changer he's worth any two of his comrades. But it turns out that he retailed for a bit less than the Seekers.]]
*'''Decepticon Triple Changers''' (1985)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]}}

*'''Autobot Triple Changers''' (1986)
{{Bp-a1|[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]]}}
{{Bp-a1|[[Springer (G1)|Springer]]}}

*'''Decepticon Triple Changers''' (1986)
{{Bp-d1|[[Octane]]}}
</ul>

:The original Triple Changers were released in the second year of Generation 1, and were sufficiently popular to inspire four more in [[1986]]. Springer, Sandstorm, Astrotrain, and Octane were re-released in [[1991]] as part of the [[Europe]]an ''[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]'' line.

===''Classics''===
[[File:ClassicsAstrotrain.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb]]
*[[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Classics|Astrotrain]]

===''Universe'' (2008)===
*[[Octane|Tankor]]
:Octane with a new name.

===''Generations''===
*[[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Generations|Blitzwing]]
*[[Sandstorm (G1)#Generations|Sandstorm]]
*[[Springer (G1)/toys#Thrilling 30|Autobot Springer]]
*All [[Titans Return]] Voyagers.
{{note|This list includes only toys that actually have three modes. Several of the Triple Changer characters have had later releases in other toy molds, most notably Sandstorm and Springer, but these forms lacked the third mode required to qualify as Triple Changers.}}

===Subsequent toys labeled as "Triple Changers"===
[[File:G1 Scorponok toy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb]]
;Generation 1
*[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] (called a "Headmaster Triple Changer base" in a commercial and in "[[Doomsday for Nebulos]].")

;''Generation 2''
*[[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] (1994)
:The bomber/tank/robot describes himself as "triple-changing Dreadwing" in a television [[commercial]]. Another commercial has the announcer saying "Dreadwing is a Triple Changer."

;''Beast Wars''
[[File:BW-toy Depthcharge.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|[[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]]: a triple-changing [[Transmetal]] from the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'']]
*[[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] (1998)
*[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] (1998)
:Although the packaging says "3 mode conversion", the commercial announcer says that each of these characters "triple changes".

;''Armada''
[[File:Arm-toy Laserbeak.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|The only Triple Changer from ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'': [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]]]]
*[[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]] (2002)

;''Energon''
*[[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] (2004)
*[[Shockblast]] (2004)
*[[Six Shot (Energon)|Six Shot]] (2005)

;''Cybertron''
*[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]] (2005)
*[[Anti-Blaze]] (2006)
*[[Checkpoint (Cybertron)|Checkpoint]] (2006)
*[[Scythe (Cybertron)|Scythe]] (2006)
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Cryo Scourge]] (2006)
*[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Galvatron]] (2006)

;''Animated''
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (2008)

;''Revenge of the Fallen''
[[File:Soundwaverotfpreviewtoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Triple-changing [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], superior!]]
*[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]] (2009)
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)/toys|Soundwave]] (2009)
*[[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]]<ref>Megatron was identified as a Triple Changer in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe]]'' and was shown with two alternate modes in [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Official Movie Adaptation|''Revenge of the Fallen'' comic adaption]]. He did not display this ability in [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|the film]], nor [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|his toys]].</ref> (2009)

;''Dark of the Moon''
[[File:DOTM-toy Backfire SpikeWitwicky.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Triple-changing [[Backfire (TF 2010)|Backfire]], who's being ridden by [[Spike Witwicky (DOTM)|some guy]].]]
*[[Thunderhead]] (2011)
*[[Sandstorm (TF 2010)|Sandstorm]] (2011)
*[[Icepick (PCC)|Icepick]] (2011)
*[[Backfire (TF 2010)|Backfire]] (2011)
*[[Whirl (ROTF)|Whirl]] (2011)
*[[Tailpipe (DOTM)|Tailpipe]] & [[Pinpointer (DOTM)|Pinpointer]] (2011)
*[[Drag Strip (DOTM)|Drag Strip]] (2011)
*[[Half-Track (DOTM)|Half-Track]] (2011)
*[[Reverb (DOTM)|Reverb]] (2011)
*[[Crosshairs (Movie)|Crosshairs]] (2011)
:''All'' the [[Human Alliance]] Basic-class robot figures are Triple Changers.
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Leader Class toys 4|Striker Optimus]] (2011)

;''Construct-Bots''
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Bumblebee]]
*[[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Blitzwing]]

;Unreleased
*"[[Dropshot (Armada)|Dropshot]]"
*"[[Fumes]]"
*ATB Megatron (called a Triple Changer by a Hasbro pitch man.)
*Marauder Megatron

===Retroactively labeled as Triple Changers===
[[File:G1toy Snapdragon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
*[[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' profile book series identifies [[Apeface]] and [[Snapdragon (G1)|''G1'' Snapdragon]] as Triple Changers.
**This is further acknowledged in ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars|Earth Wars]]'' game where both Horrorcons are classified as Triple Changer class. Snapdragon, depicted as a Mercenary, is also available on Autobot side with the same abilities.
*[[Doubledealer]]'s rendition in WFC trilogy (which is also applied for his character in '''Earth Wars ''' game) is classified as a Triple Changer with his bird mode being air-based alternate mode rather than his Decepticon mode.
*Since Scorponok is classified as a Headmaster Triple Changer base, his primary adversary - Fortress Maximus is technically a Headmaster Triple Changer base as well.
*Dreamwave's ''[[More than Meets the Eye: Transformers: Armada|More Than Meets The Eye: Armada]]'' book labels [[Over-Run (Armada)|''Armada'' Over-Run]] as a Triple Changer, also stating that other Mini-Cons with a third mode are Triple Changers.
*[[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' labels [[B'Boom]] as a Triple Changer but not [[Apache]].
*The mobile game ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars|Earth Wars]]'' identifies [[Sky Lynx (G1)|''G1'' Sky Lynx]] as a Triple Changer, with the appropriate in-game ability boost.
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==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Triple Changer''' (トリプルチェンジャー ''Toripuru Chenjā''), '''Triplebot''' (Autobots, トリプルボット ''Toripurubotto''), '''Tripletron''' (Decepticons, トリプルトロン ''Toripurutoron'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Triplaváltozók'''
*''Italian:'' '''Tripla Azione''' ("Triple Action")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Sānbiàn Rén''' (Taiwan, 三變人, "Triple Changer"), '''Sānbiàn Jīngāng''' (Taiwan, 三變金剛, "Triple-change Vajra"), '''Sānbiàn Zhànshì''' (China, 三变战士, "Triple-change Fighter")
*''Polish:'' '''Trójzmienny'''

==See also==
*[[Super Mode]]
*[[Attack mode]]
*[[Transportation mode]]
*[[:Category:Transformers with three modes|Transformers with three modes]]
*[[Transmetal]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Wars subgroups]]
[[Category:Cloud subgroups]]
[[Category:Cybertron franchise]]
[[Category:Energon franchise]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Gimmicks]]
[[Category:Subgroups]]
[[Category:Toys]]
[[Category:Triple Changers| ]]

Geckobot

2024-01-03T17:16:57Z

Gigirassy: corrected typo

{{factions|maximalbm|maximal|liegemaximo}}
:''Geckobot is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:BM-toy Geckobot.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Free hugs!]]
The agile '''Geckobot''' is both highly intelligent and very creative. Their sail-like wings absorb energy, which they store in a module on their back for use in their energy pulse weapons. They're very maneuverable in flight, and the absorption properties of their wings make them perfect for long-range missions.

In their spare time, they like to create [[Slogism|garbage art]] from scrapped [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
[[Image:AloneTogetherPrologue impercepton shield.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Geckobot (second from right) cannot actually get you a great deal on car insurance from {{w|Geico}}.]]
Geckobot was part of a cell of Maximals who rebelled against the status quo imposed by their [[Autobot]] masters. They joined a nighttime raid on [[Ferromax Detention Center]] to free [[Dinobot (BW)|Dynobot]], though they weren't very keen on the name chosen for their concealment: the [[impercepton shield]]. When they rendezvoused with [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]], Geckobot recalled they'd heard reports the other Maximal had died, but Rattrap assured them the rumors were false. The team went on to liberate Dynobot. {{storylink|Alone Together: Prologue|Prologue}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
Geckobot was one of [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]]'s [[Maximal]]s. After their master invaded [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and felled [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]], Geckobot was sent out of [[Nemesis (BW)|Nemesis]] under [[Liege Maximo]]'s command to root out the [[Titan (group)|Titan]]'s companions. {{Storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}}

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==Toys==
===''Beast Machines''===
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m2|'''Geckobot''' (Basic Class, 2000)}}</ul>
:*''Known designers'': [[Tim Bradley]] (concept artist)

: Part of the third wave of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' Basics, Geckobot does not actually transform into a gecko despite their name; their [[technorganic]] [[beast mode]] is instead based on a {{w|Draco (genus)|flying dragon}}. Their wings are geared to "flap" in beast mode and become arm-mounted blades in [[robot mode]]. Their [[spark crystal]] forms their beast mode eyes and is revealed fully by flipping open their lizard skull. Gruesome!

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/Geckobot/geckobot.htm More info on Geckobot at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BM-toy GeckobotLonghorn2pack.jpg|thumb|upright=1]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m2|'''Geckobot''' / '''Longhorn''' (2-pack, 2000)}}</ul>

: Geckobot was also available in a two-pack with their fellow Maximal [[Longhorn#2pack|Longhorn]]. Both toys are actually on their original individual cards, but packed within a thick cardboard backing with "Beast Machines 2 Pack" printed on it. The set was sold at the now-defunct ToyCo retail store, which was similar to [[KB Toys]] and appeared in several of the "Mills" family of shopping centers, like Arizona Mills or Ontario Mills, in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

==Notes==
* Geckobot had the pre-release name of '''Kamilion'''.<ref>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.toys.transformers/f_-M55vdPn0/gBDdVeAcrm4J</ref>
* Geckobot's body in ''[[Alone Together]]'' is modeled on two separate versions of the ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)#RID|Prime]]'' Deluxe Class [[Wheeljack (Prime)#Robots in Disguise|Wheeljack]] mold; the head comes from [[Dead End (WFC)#Toys|Dead End]] while the body comes from the ''[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)#BH|Beast Hunters]]'' retooling of [[Wheeljack (Prime)#Beast Hunters|Wheeljack]].
* Funnily enough, thanks to an absence of pronouns in their toy bio and not being referred to by any in "Alone Together", Geckobot's gender remains ambiguous despite having an appearance in fiction.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Artists]]
[[Category:Beast Machines Maximals]]
[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Maximals]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Maximals]]
[[Category:Resistance]]

User talk:Khajidha

2023-10-04T17:42:51Z

Gigirassy:

==Keep these here==
===Username Origin===

(Original section title: Uh...) Where'd you get your name from? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:44, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:It was the magic word used by the Silver Age Blue Beetle. I think I may have misspelled it, though. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:40, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
::I think you've got it right— that's how they spell it in the Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) comics (which are excellent), although I believe they put a space or a hyphen or somesuch in the middle. Nice username, strong approval, etc. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:13, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
::Just to be a completist (I'm in the right place for that, yes?) I looked it up, and officially nowadays there's no second H ("da" instead of "dha"). Close enough for government work, though. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:17, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I think it's varied all over the place over the years. I've seen "kaji dha", "khaji da" and "khaji dha". I just kind of went with what looked coolest to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 00:48, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

===Question===

Hi, um. Bit of an awkward question, but are you trans? And if so, which pronouns do you prefer? Sorry if I'm bothering you. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:59, 19 June 2016 (EDT)
:Not a bother at all. I am a dual-role transvestite. I have both a male and a female identity. I do not wish to transition, but am uncomfortable if I am not able to be my femme-self for long periods of time. I prefer that people use the pronouns that match my presentation at the time. On here you can use whichever you wish. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 04:51, 20 June 2016 (EDT)

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Your userpic and caption is friggin amazing [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 02:21, 29 January 2017 (EST)

===Generous Question===
Hello! I noticed you took down my edit on the shelfwarmer article. That's totally okay; but I was curious on where that bit of trivia would belong instead, if anywhere. I personally think something being on a shelf for over a decade is notable enough to be on the wiki, so where could I put it? Thanks! [[User:Gigirassy|Gigirassy]] ([[User talk:Gigirassy|talk]]) 09:38, 4 October 2023 (EDT)

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===Generous Question===
Hello! I noticed you took down my edit on the shelfwarmer article. That's totally okay; but I was curious on where that bit of trivia would belong instead, if anywhere. I personally think something being on a shelf for over a decade is notable enough to be on the wiki, so where could I put it? Thanks! [[User:Gigirassy|Gigirassy]] ([[User talk:Gigirassy|talk]]) 09:38, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
:Minor toy markets like Rite-Aid often have product on the shelves for such long times, so I don't see it as worth noting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:51, 4 October 2023 (EDT)
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User talk:Khajidha

2023-10-04T13:38:28Z

Gigirassy:

Shelfwarmer

2023-10-04T07:51:38Z

Gigirassy: fixed ref

{{disambig2|toys from a long time ago that still haven't been sold|toys that have lots of kibble|Shellformer}}
[[File:ShelfwarmersBumblebeeTRUGermany.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|right|Low sales? A LARGE INFLUX OF '''BEES''' OUGHTTA PUT A STOP TO THAT! (Or not)]]
'''Shelfwarmer''' is the colloquial term for a toy or product that either fails to sell well or is over-produced, leaving residual quantities on store shelves for months or even years after its original release, conspicuously more than other toys from the same [[wave]]s... or from the same toyline as a whole... or even subsequent toylines.

The phenomenon is of course heavily regional and the evidence largely anecdotal, as toys can linger in one area but sell briskly in others, especially in different nations where case ratios can be radically different. But there are plenty of notable examples widespread enough that most fans and collectors can agree... that toy just didn't sell.

The related term '''pegwarmer''' refers to toys packaged on cards, lingering unwanted for years on pegs instead of shelves.

{{TOCclear}}

==Shelfwarmers in Generation 1==
[[File:G1TopspinToy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|left|Non-starters]]
Due to significant differences in the toy industry and [[fandom]] over the decades, it can be hard to demonstrate which toys were warming shelves in the 1980s. Unlike the modern era, it was very common to keep popular characters in case assortments for months or years on end without any changes. [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] could still be found in large quantities through 1986, but this was because his toy still got shipped throughout that period (and being Starscream, still got sold). However, the [[Jumpstarter]]s were both over-produced and, as non-show characters, in such low demand that pretty much to this day you can find [[mint in sealed box]] specimens for significantly less than their contemporaries.
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==Shelfwarmers in ''Beast Wars''==
[[File:Crosssell-beastwars.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Gotta catch <s>'em all</s> some of 'em.]]
''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]],'' as the first ''Transformers'' toyline to be released after Internet access became widespread, was the first to really introduce collectors to the concept of shelfwarming. Toys that were noted for their abnormally high shelfwarming capacity in ''Beast Wars'' included [[Injector (BW)|Injector]], [[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]], [[Transquito]], and even show character [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]]. (Apparently, kids don't like bug-bots.) It was not uncommon to see store pegboards that were ''entirely'' Injector, and there were reports of Transquitos still being on shelves ''seven years'' after the initial release. Now ''that's'' a shelfwarmer.

In the [[United Kingdom]], both [[Cybershark]] and [[Claw Jaw]] struggled to sell due to being packed several per case in multiple waves and not featuring in the TV show.
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==Shelfwarmers in later series==
[[Image:ShelfwarmerTRUWheelie.jpg|thumb|150px|left|A German Toys"R"Us store in 2010. Generations? Hunt for the Decepticons? Why, buy ROTF Wheelie instead! Still plenty left!]][[Image:ShelfwarmerSupremeGrimlock.jpg|thumb|200px|right|And yet another German TRU store, where Stomp & Chomp RID Grimlock follows his predecessor Stomp & Chomp AoE Grimlock as supreme shelfwarmer!]]

Each series has had its own notorious shelfwarmers. In North America, ''Armada'' clogged shelves with flocks of [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeaks]] and fleets of [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreens]]. ''Energon'' made sure there was no shortage of [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]]. ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' gave us unmoving armies of [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]]s, who often stayed on the shelf long enough to sit beside their [[redeco]], the first movie [[Mudflap (Movie)|Mudflap]] (''itself'' a shelfwarmer). In the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' toy line]], any of the ''Cybertron'' redecos stayed on shelves for years on end, and you could still find [[Dropshot (G1)#Universe (2008)|Dropshots]] on the shelf at some Walmarts years after its release.

With the [[Transformers (film)|2007 ''Transformers'' movie]], the playing field was changed slightly. Suddenly, Transformers were '''big''' again. Toys were in short supply and any toys that stayed on the shelves for very long did so very conspicuously. During the Christmas shopping period following the 2007 movie, [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]]s could be found in hordes, even as ''everything'' else Transformers (including leftover ''Cybertron'' and ''Classics'' stock) was disappearing from shelves.

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==Supply vs. demand==
[[File:BMToy BattleUnicorn CardedSample.jpg|left|200px|thumb|You will pay $14.99 just to look at this picture for the first time. Sucker.]]
[[Image:ShelfwarmersGermanyNovember2015.jpg|right|upright=0.7|thumb|Sometimes shelfwarmers are a localized phenomenon, occasionally even limited to one particular store.]]

Sometimes toys were in desperate demand in the fandom when they were difficult to get, but didn't do so well when released more widely. One online example of this phenomenon is [[Battle Unicorn]]. This ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' toy was part of the very last wave of that series's product and was thus barely shipped to retailers. As such, it was ''very'' hard to get. It was so rare, in fact, that online store [[BigBadToyStore]] made a large special order for them from Hasbro — but despite the [[fandom]]'s previous clamoring for the toy, they were stuck sitting on a lot of that stock for quite a long time.

The original releases of ''[[Transformers: Alternators| Alternators]]'' [[Tracks (G1)|Autobot Tracks]] and [[Jazz (G1)/toys|Meister]], which only shipped in two [[wave]]s each, also demanded a high rise in aftermarket prices... until Hasbro decided to re-release them as part of a semi-relaunch of the ''Alternators'' line. Now, Tracks and Meister suddenly became major shelfwarmers.

A similar thing happened with ''Alternators'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]]: In North America, he was released only at the [[San Diego Comic-Con]] and via the [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] website for the few people who were able to get him from there, and so was very difficult to get. Fans of the ''Alternators'' line who desperately wanted the toy were furious about its release only at a non-Transformers [[convention]] and complained at length about it not being easily available. Then suddenly the toy turned up in Australia. It hit the retail store Toyworld in massive numbers, and at half the price of usual Alternators. But... no one there wanted it. The American fans had gotten over it by that point, and no one in Australia gave a damn.

Boy, did that thing sit around for ''ages''. It was still available in some stores as of September 2009!

Another example is the [[Unicron/toys#Transformers_.282010.29|25th Anniversary Unicron]] figure. When it was released as an [[Amazon (website)|Amazon.com]] exclusive in the US, it sold out quickly and was subject to much [[toy scalping|scalping]], but when it was released to mass retail stores in Canada and South-East Asia, the demand wasn't as high, and there he warmed shelves.

Some toys that sell well in one country may become shelfwarmers in others. Usually this is due to a toy only being released [[shortpacking|in very limited quantities]] in Country A but getting more favorable [[case|case ratios]] in Country B. ''Energon'' [[Ultra Magnus (Energon)|Ultra Magnus]] is a rather infamous example of this. ''Armada'' [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] and [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|2007 movie]] [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] and [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] ended up as prolonged shelfwarmers in many European stores because they were the ''only'' toys from their respective [[Size class|size classes]] those stores would ever get from Hasbro. It didn't help that the latter two shipped after the movie line nominally ended.
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==Expensive toys==
[[File:ArmadaToy Unicron BoxedSample.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Your wallet proceeds to oblivion.]]
Sometimes, it doesn't matter how desirable a toy is if the asking price is too high! Large scale ''Transformers'' toys, such as Supreme Class and Titan Class figures, are often too expensive for parents to purchase lightly and are often reserved for special occasions. As a result, they tend to warm the shelves until the holiday season.

''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toys are an interesting case. Despite being stocked in very small quantities, they are so expensive that they can still warm the shelves. While ''Masterpiece'' figures of popular characters like Optimus Prime and Starscream are guaranteed to sell in short order, ''Masterpiece'' figures of minor characters are unlikely to sell with younger fans who are unfamiliar with them. ''Masterpiece'' Skywarp wound up being marked down to $30 at Wal-Mart. Good luck finding a ''Masterpiece'' [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] for that price now!

In the mid-2010s, the ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' line as a whole proved notorious for large quantities of shelfwarmers. The combination of a premium pricetag, a store-exclusive status, and consisting almost entirely of retools, redecos, and reissues, leaves a lot of its offerings undesirable to the average consumer or collector.
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==The Mudflap Conspiracy==
[[File:ShelfwarmersTRUGermany.jpg|left|upright=1.5|thumb|You ''know'' something is wrong when you see toys from no fewer than ''four'' different lines, released several years apart, all side by side on the same store shelf.]]
For whatever reason, toys named "[[Mudflap (disambiguation)|Mudflap]]" tend to end up as shelfwarmers regardless of the sculpt: ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Voyager Class [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]], the first toy using the name, started the trend, which was continued by his [[redeco]], ''[[Transformers (2007 toyline)|Movie]]'' [[Mudflap (Movie)|Mudflap]] (thus accompanying his ''Cybertron'' predecessor on many a store shelf). ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' gave us a [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] [[character]] with multiple toy incarnations: Deluxe Class Mudflap generally moved more slowly than his [[Twins (ROTF)|twin]] brother, [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]], from the same assortment. Likewise, [[Fast Action Battlers]] Grapple Grip Mudflap was easier to find than Missile Blast Skids, and things got even worse with the Deluxe Class Mudflap redeco, Tuner Mudflap, a ''colossal'' shelfwarmer. Presumably, the only reason [[Human Alliance]] Mudflap didn't share the same fate was the fact that the toy was stocked in low numbers by stores in the first place, ironically making this particular toy hard to find.
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==Notes==
[[File:Bumper Battler Jazz shelfwarming.jpg|right|upright=0.8|thumb|]]
* 'Shelfwarmer' and 'pegwarmer' are derived from the sports term [[Wiktionary:bench-warmer|benchwarmer]], which refers to players who seldom get to play during games, and are thus said to be 'warming the bench' because they rarely leave it.
* The [[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]] [[Bumper Battlers]] toys from 2008 have been reported via forums to be the worst case of shelfwarming, with reports as late as May 2022 of them still being on Rite-Aid shelves. <ref>https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/longest-shelfwarmer-ever.1101769</ref><ref>https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/what-was-the-worst-mainline-shelfwarmer-in-all-of-transformers-that-youve-ever-seen.1217282/page-7#post-20247400</ref>
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==External links==

* [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Shelfwarmer 'Shelfwarmer' at the Urban Dictionary]
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==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Fan terminology]]
[[Category:Toys]]

Shelfwarmer

2023-10-04T00:05:50Z

Gigirassy: thought this was notable enough to be mentioned here

{{disambig2|toys from a long time ago that still haven't been sold|toys that have lots of kibble|Shellformer}}
[[File:ShelfwarmersBumblebeeTRUGermany.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|right|Low sales? A LARGE INFLUX OF '''BEES''' OUGHTTA PUT A STOP TO THAT! (Or not)]]
'''Shelfwarmer''' is the colloquial term for a toy or product that either fails to sell well or is over-produced, leaving residual quantities on store shelves for months or even years after its original release, conspicuously more than other toys from the same [[wave]]s... or from the same toyline as a whole... or even subsequent toylines.

The phenomenon is of course heavily regional and the evidence largely anecdotal, as toys can linger in one area but sell briskly in others, especially in different nations where case ratios can be radically different. But there are plenty of notable examples widespread enough that most fans and collectors can agree... that toy just didn't sell.

The related term '''pegwarmer''' refers to toys packaged on cards, lingering unwanted for years on pegs instead of shelves.

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==Shelfwarmers in Generation 1==
[[File:G1TopspinToy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|left|Non-starters]]
Due to significant differences in the toy industry and [[fandom]] over the decades, it can be hard to demonstrate which toys were warming shelves in the 1980s. Unlike the modern era, it was very common to keep popular characters in case assortments for months or years on end without any changes. [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] could still be found in large quantities through 1986, but this was because his toy still got shipped throughout that period (and being Starscream, still got sold). However, the [[Jumpstarter]]s were both over-produced and, as non-show characters, in such low demand that pretty much to this day you can find [[mint in sealed box]] specimens for significantly less than their contemporaries.
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==Shelfwarmers in ''Beast Wars''==
[[File:Crosssell-beastwars.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Gotta catch <s>'em all</s> some of 'em.]]
''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]],'' as the first ''Transformers'' toyline to be released after Internet access became widespread, was the first to really introduce collectors to the concept of shelfwarming. Toys that were noted for their abnormally high shelfwarming capacity in ''Beast Wars'' included [[Injector (BW)|Injector]], [[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]], [[Transquito]], and even show character [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]]. (Apparently, kids don't like bug-bots.) It was not uncommon to see store pegboards that were ''entirely'' Injector, and there were reports of Transquitos still being on shelves ''seven years'' after the initial release. Now ''that's'' a shelfwarmer.

In the [[United Kingdom]], both [[Cybershark]] and [[Claw Jaw]] struggled to sell due to being packed several per case in multiple waves and not featuring in the TV show.
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==Shelfwarmers in later series==
[[Image:ShelfwarmerTRUWheelie.jpg|thumb|150px|left|A German Toys"R"Us store in 2010. Generations? Hunt for the Decepticons? Why, buy ROTF Wheelie instead! Still plenty left!]][[Image:ShelfwarmerSupremeGrimlock.jpg|thumb|200px|right|And yet another German TRU store, where Stomp & Chomp RID Grimlock follows his predecessor Stomp & Chomp AoE Grimlock as supreme shelfwarmer!]]

Each series has had its own notorious shelfwarmers. In North America, ''Armada'' clogged shelves with flocks of [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeaks]] and fleets of [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreens]]. ''Energon'' made sure there was no shortage of [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]]. ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' gave us unmoving armies of [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]]s, who often stayed on the shelf long enough to sit beside their [[redeco]], the first movie [[Mudflap (Movie)|Mudflap]] (''itself'' a shelfwarmer). In the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' toy line]], any of the ''Cybertron'' redecos stayed on shelves for years on end, and you could still find [[Dropshot (G1)#Universe (2008)|Dropshots]] on the shelf at some Walmarts years after its release.

With the [[Transformers (film)|2007 ''Transformers'' movie]], the playing field was changed slightly. Suddenly, Transformers were '''big''' again. Toys were in short supply and any toys that stayed on the shelves for very long did so very conspicuously. During the Christmas shopping period following the 2007 movie, [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]]s could be found in hordes, even as ''everything'' else Transformers (including leftover ''Cybertron'' and ''Classics'' stock) was disappearing from shelves.

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==Supply vs. demand==
[[File:BMToy BattleUnicorn CardedSample.jpg|left|200px|thumb|You will pay $14.99 just to look at this picture for the first time. Sucker.]]
[[Image:ShelfwarmersGermanyNovember2015.jpg|right|upright=0.7|thumb|Sometimes shelfwarmers are a localized phenomenon, occasionally even limited to one particular store.]]

Sometimes toys were in desperate demand in the fandom when they were difficult to get, but didn't do so well when released more widely. One online example of this phenomenon is [[Battle Unicorn]]. This ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' toy was part of the very last wave of that series's product and was thus barely shipped to retailers. As such, it was ''very'' hard to get. It was so rare, in fact, that online store [[BigBadToyStore]] made a large special order for them from Hasbro — but despite the [[fandom]]'s previous clamoring for the toy, they were stuck sitting on a lot of that stock for quite a long time.

The original releases of ''[[Transformers: Alternators| Alternators]]'' [[Tracks (G1)|Autobot Tracks]] and [[Jazz (G1)/toys|Meister]], which only shipped in two [[wave]]s each, also demanded a high rise in aftermarket prices... until Hasbro decided to re-release them as part of a semi-relaunch of the ''Alternators'' line. Now, Tracks and Meister suddenly became major shelfwarmers.

A similar thing happened with ''Alternators'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]]: In North America, he was released only at the [[San Diego Comic-Con]] and via the [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] website for the few people who were able to get him from there, and so was very difficult to get. Fans of the ''Alternators'' line who desperately wanted the toy were furious about its release only at a non-Transformers [[convention]] and complained at length about it not being easily available. Then suddenly the toy turned up in Australia. It hit the retail store Toyworld in massive numbers, and at half the price of usual Alternators. But... no one there wanted it. The American fans had gotten over it by that point, and no one in Australia gave a damn.

Boy, did that thing sit around for ''ages''. It was still available in some stores as of September 2009!

Another example is the [[Unicron/toys#Transformers_.282010.29|25th Anniversary Unicron]] figure. When it was released as an [[Amazon (website)|Amazon.com]] exclusive in the US, it sold out quickly and was subject to much [[toy scalping|scalping]], but when it was released to mass retail stores in Canada and South-East Asia, the demand wasn't as high, and there he warmed shelves.

Some toys that sell well in one country may become shelfwarmers in others. Usually this is due to a toy only being released [[shortpacking|in very limited quantities]] in Country A but getting more favorable [[case|case ratios]] in Country B. ''Energon'' [[Ultra Magnus (Energon)|Ultra Magnus]] is a rather infamous example of this. ''Armada'' [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] and [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|2007 movie]] [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] and [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] ended up as prolonged shelfwarmers in many European stores because they were the ''only'' toys from their respective [[Size class|size classes]] those stores would ever get from Hasbro. It didn't help that the latter two shipped after the movie line nominally ended.
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==Expensive toys==
[[File:ArmadaToy Unicron BoxedSample.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Your wallet proceeds to oblivion.]]
Sometimes, it doesn't matter how desirable a toy is if the asking price is too high! Large scale ''Transformers'' toys, such as Supreme Class and Titan Class figures, are often too expensive for parents to purchase lightly and are often reserved for special occasions. As a result, they tend to warm the shelves until the holiday season.

''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toys are an interesting case. Despite being stocked in very small quantities, they are so expensive that they can still warm the shelves. While ''Masterpiece'' figures of popular characters like Optimus Prime and Starscream are guaranteed to sell in short order, ''Masterpiece'' figures of minor characters are unlikely to sell with younger fans who are unfamiliar with them. ''Masterpiece'' Skywarp wound up being marked down to $30 at Wal-Mart. Good luck finding a ''Masterpiece'' [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] for that price now!

In the mid-2010s, the ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' line as a whole proved notorious for large quantities of shelfwarmers. The combination of a premium pricetag, a store-exclusive status, and consisting almost entirely of retools, redecos, and reissues, leaves a lot of its offerings undesirable to the average consumer or collector.
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==The Mudflap Conspiracy==
[[File:ShelfwarmersTRUGermany.jpg|left|upright=1.5|thumb|You ''know'' something is wrong when you see toys from no fewer than ''four'' different lines, released several years apart, all side by side on the same store shelf.]]
For whatever reason, toys named "[[Mudflap (disambiguation)|Mudflap]]" tend to end up as shelfwarmers regardless of the sculpt: ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Voyager Class [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]], the first toy using the name, started the trend, which was continued by his [[redeco]], ''[[Transformers (2007 toyline)|Movie]]'' [[Mudflap (Movie)|Mudflap]] (thus accompanying his ''Cybertron'' predecessor on many a store shelf). ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' gave us a [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] [[character]] with multiple toy incarnations: Deluxe Class Mudflap generally moved more slowly than his [[Twins (ROTF)|twin]] brother, [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]], from the same assortment. Likewise, [[Fast Action Battlers]] Grapple Grip Mudflap was easier to find than Missile Blast Skids, and things got even worse with the Deluxe Class Mudflap redeco, Tuner Mudflap, a ''colossal'' shelfwarmer. Presumably, the only reason [[Human Alliance]] Mudflap didn't share the same fate was the fact that the toy was stocked in low numbers by stores in the first place, ironically making this particular toy hard to find.
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==Notes==
[[File:Bumper Battler Jazz shelfwarming.jpg|right|upright=0.8|thumb|]]
* 'Shelfwarmer' and 'pegwarmer' are derived from the sports term [[Wiktionary:bench-warmer|benchwarmer]], which refers to players who seldom get to play during games, and are thus said to be 'warming the bench' because they rarely leave it.
* The [[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]] [[Bumper Battlers]] toys from 2008 have been reported via forums to be the worst case of shelfwarming, with reports as late as May 2022 of them still being on Rite-Aid shelves. <ref>https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/longest-shelfwarmer-ever.1101769/}} {{ref|https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/longest-shelfwarmer-ever.1101769/</ref><ref>https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/what-was-the-worst-mainline-shelfwarmer-in-all-of-transformers-that-youve-ever-seen.1217282/page-7#post-20247400</ref>
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==External links==

* [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Shelfwarmer 'Shelfwarmer' at the Urban Dictionary]
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==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Fan terminology]]
[[Category:Toys]]

File:Bumper Battler Jazz shelfwarming.jpg

2023-10-03T23:58:50Z

Gigirassy: An Animated Bumper Battler Jazz that's been sitting on a Rite-Aid shelf for over 8 years as of March 2017. From NewtypeS3 on TFW2005. {{Fairuse}}

An [[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]] [[Jazz (Animated)#BumperBattler|Bumper Battler Jazz]] that's been sitting on a Rite-Aid shelf for over 8 years as of March 2017. From NewtypeS3 on TFW2005.
{{Fairuse}}

Crib Watch

2023-08-12T00:27:02Z

Gigirassy: adding a source

{{factions|googoogroopies}}
:''Crib Watch is a member of the [[Goo-Goo Groopies]] from [[Transformers: BotBots (franchise)|BotBots]].
[[File:Crib watch--1.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|If there were three of them, maybe everything would go better?]]

As a baby monitor, '''Crib Watch''' is basically designed to watch over infants. However, it seems the job gives Crib Watch very little time to themself. They've become incredibly paranoid after all of this time, making sure the little tikes are safe and aren't crying and don't have stinky diapers. What this overworked bot needs the most is a long nap.

Babies are tough, man.
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==Toys==
===''BotBots''===
[[File:BotBots-toys Crib Watch.jpg|thumb|upright=1.33|]]
*'''Playroom Posse''' (5-pack, 2019)
**''Series'': '''3'''
**''Level'': '''1 Star'''

: Part of the third series of ''[[Transformers: BotBots (toyline)|BotBots]]'', Crib Watch is a [[redeco]] of [[Screen Fiend]], transforming into a baby monitor. They are available in one of the "[[Playroom Posse]]" themed 5-packs, packed with [[Bunches]], [[Kikmee]], [[Quackles]], and [[Lost Bots|Lost Bot]] [[Grave Rave]].

: This mold was also used to make [[Caution#Toys|Caution]], [[Fall Guy]] and [[Glitch Face]].

{{note|This set is a "recommended minimum buy" for a complete set of Series 3 BotBots.}}

*'''Fresh Squeezes''' (8-pack, 2019)
**''Series'': '''3'''
**''Level'': '''1 Star'''

: Crib Watch is also available in one of the "[[Fresh Squeezes]]" themed 8-packs, packed with [[Bunches]], [[Excessory]], [[Halloween Knight]], [[Sardank]], [[Sugar Saddle]], [[Trend Blend]], and Lost Bot [[Smooth Shaker]]

*'''Goo-Goo Groopies''' (8-pack, 2019)
**''Series'': '''3'''
**''Level'': '''1 Star'''

: Crib Watch is also ''also'' available in two of the "[[Goo-Goo Groopies]]" themed 8-packs:
:: The first pack includes them, [[Bunches]], [[Croaks]], [[Loudsy]], [[Mal Content]], [[Nampy]], [[Sugar Saddle]], and Lost Bot [[Fail Polish]].
:: The second pack includes them, [[Avocando]], [[Batterhead]], [[Excessory]], [[Halloween Knight]], [[Sardank]], [[Shushifier]], and Lost Bot [[Strike Four]]
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==Notes==
* Crib Watch is the "example" character used for the "2 MODES" demonstration illustration on the Goo-Goo Groopies' packaging.
* Crib Watch's English-language bio on the Hasbro website lacks gender pronouns.<ref>"Being on constant baby watch is hard work. Who's crying? Who's screaming?? WHAT WAS THAT NOISE!? ''Crib Watch has'' become slightly paranoid (and a little bit twitchy) from being so overworked. ''What Crib Watch really needs'' is a good night's sleep."</ref> Thus, so does this article. Other languages on the website do use male adjectives on their translations, but that may be out of necessity rather than reflecting the original intent for the character.
* Their baby monitor mode has an [[Autobot]] [[insignia]] on its screen. Given the Autobot and [[Decepticon]] faction symbols appear on some other BotBots' product modes, this is more than likely just in-universe marketing, not actual faction affiliation.
* Also on the screen in baby monitor mode are the numbers 19:84. This is a nod to the year [[1984]] when the original [[The_Transformers_(franchise)|Transformers]] series debuted.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category: Goo-Goo Groopies]]

Blitzwing (Animated)

2023-07-30T21:29:35Z

Gigirassy: important to know

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Blitzwing}}
:''Blitzwing is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Animated continuity family]].''

[[File:AniBlitzwingPromoModel.jpg|right|upright=1.4|thumb|That's far enough, Dr. Jones.]]
'''Blitzwing''' not only has three modes (robot, jet, and tank), he also has three alternate personalities (an "Icy" cold strategist, a short-tempered "Hothead", and a total "Random" nutcase) along with the faces rattling around in his head to go with them.<ref>Blitzwing's three personas are named "Icy", "Hothead" and "Random" on his [[Character model|model]] sheets.</ref> He's as liable to have a conversation with himself as he is to say a word to his fellow Decepticons. Pretty much the only thing that keeps him in line is that all three of his personalities are scared to death of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]].

Blitzwing's "dominant", Icy personality is represented by a long, blue face with a monocle and speaks with quiet disdain. His easily angered Hothead personality has a wide, red face, is gap-toothed, and tends to react angrily with violent threats towards almost anyone. Finally, his Random personality's face looks like nothing so much as a black jack-o'-lantern, and may toss out bad puns and jokes, children's nursery rhymes, or random non sequiturs, mostly followed by hysterical laughter. All three personalities speak with a pronounced German [[accent]] and apparently he has trouble flying in a straight line.

Blitzwing's armament varies depending upon which personality is dominant at the time. His calculating personality has an arsenal of ice weaponry, while the Hothead predictably can turn up the heat. When his third personality is foremost, nearly anything can be dished out from either of his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]s. Blitzwing's alt mode is likewise usually dependent on which aspect is dominant at the time. His cold side uses the jet, his angry side uses the tank, and his insane side can use either. However it seems that if he changes personality while in his alt mode, that alt will change with him, and if that's a jet to tank change, he'll fall right out of the sky.

{{quote|Ze name iz Blitzwing, [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|insect]]; remember it! Cause it's ze last thing you're gonna hear before I—express my feelings in song!|Blitzwing switching personalities like we switch shoes|"[[Transform and Roll Out]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{Idw-tfa}}
{{voiceactor|[[Bumper Robinson]] (English), [[Yūichi Nagashima]] (Japanese)|[[Alexander Kovriznyh]] (Russian, Hothead), [[Rainer Doering]] (German), [[Giorgio Bonino]] (Italian), [[Wellington Lima]] (Portuguese), [[Rodolfo Vasquez]] (Latin American Spanish, all heads during the pilot episode), [[Sergio Aliaga]] (Latin American Spanish, Icy head, seasons 1 and 2), [[Nelson Medina]] (Latin American Spanish, Hothead head, seasons 1 and 2), [[Rodrigo Saavedra]] (Latin American Spanish, Random head, seasons 1 and 2), [[Jari Salo]] (Finnish, unknown head), [[Julio Lorenzo]] (Castillo Spanish, unknown head), [[Maciej Walentek]] (Polish), [[Frédéric Cerdal]] (French, seasons 1, 2 and first half of 3), [[Gérard Rouzier]] (French, second half of season 3)}}

[[File:Animated blitzwing faces1.JPG|left|125px|thumb|"So Arnold, Dietrich, and Blot walk into a bar..."]]
''During the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]], Blitzwing destroyed [[Kappa Supreme]] while she was escorting a supply convoy.'' {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}} ''Long after the war ended and the Decepticons went into hiding, [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] experimented upon Blitzwing, rebuilding him into a Triple Changer and giving him the fractured mind he is known for today.'' {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The AllSpark Almanac}}

Blitzwing was aboard the [[Nemesis (Animated)|''Nemesis'']] with the other Decepticons at the time of the [[AllSpark]]'s re-discovery. He partially froze [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]'s arm, commenting on how her demeanor was as unpleasant as her organic [[beast mode]]. When Blackarachnia advised him to blow it out his actuator, Blitzwing angrily demanded that she refer to him by his proper name, or else he would...''express his feelings in song!'' His out-of-tune rendition of "The Itsy Bitsy Spider" got all the Decepticons arguing until Megatron entered, prompting Blitzwing to fall silent with the rest.

When it became clear the ''Nemesis'' was going to crash into an exploding space bridge, Blitzwing fled in an escape pod. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

''After Megatron's disappearance, the Decepticons held a funeral at [[New Kaon]]. Blitzwing gave the eulogy, in which he vowed that they would destroy the [[Autobot]]s responsible for their leader's demise...and then paint mustaches on their faceplates. [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] was angry with the service, declaring that Megatron was alive and would return. When Blitzwing pointed out evidence to the contrary, Lugnut destroyed the statue of Megatron that Blitzwing had built. This angered Blitzwing, who'd spent six deca-cycles building it, and initiated an exchange of fire between him and Lugnut.'' {{storylink|Dispatches}}

[[File:Everythingmustgo-BlitzwingGlassGas.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0|right|Blitzwing performs one of his famous tuba solos.]]
Blitzwing placed a bounty on [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], intending to punish him for destroying Megatron. ''When Lockdown proposed that Blitzwing pay him for his services with Lugnut's "[[Punch of Kill Everything|P.O.K.E.]]", Blitzwing agreed to the terms.'' {{storylink|The Arrival issue 4|A Few Loose Strands}} Fifty stellar cycles later, the bounty hunter [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] contacted Blitzwing, saying he had Prime. Blitzwing promised that Lockdown would receive payment once Blitzwing received Prime—then his random side asked if he could ''please, please, please'' see Prime turn into a firetruck. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}} ''His conversation was cut short however, when an enraged Lugnut slammed his face into the monitor for daring to commune with the bounty hunter. The pair began scrapping, and things were only made worse when [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] showed up, taking the opportunity to sell each of them a wide variety of weapons so they could pummel each other. It eventually culminated in him selling the pair of them doomsday weapons and unbreakable nemesis shields. Realizing they were being played, Lugs and Blitz put aside their anger, beat the holy hell out of Swindle and made friends again.'' {{storylink|The Arrival issue 5#Everything Must Go|Everything Must Go}}

Some time after this, Blitzwing and Lugnut followed a beacon to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] to find the wreckage of the ''Nemesis''. Noting that [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] was bad at parking, Blitzwing also remembered that this quadrant was the last time they received an update from Lockdown. Concluding that the Autobots responsible for killing Megatron were nearby, the duo went to Earth. Landing at a construction site, the two had similar problems determining the dominant species on Earth as the Autobots did, mistaking Earth's automatons and machines for sentient beings. Lugnut's attempt to interrogate a crane ended up getting Blitzwing hit by the wrecking ball, which convinced the Decepticons to do a more time honored tactic—blow stuff up and hope it forces the Autobots to come out. It worked. During the battle with the Autobots, [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] were hard pressed to avoid Blitzwing's energy blasts, but his freeze beam did get Bumblebee off his feet. When Lugnut demanded information on Megatron's location, the Autobots mentioned that he had "turned into a fireball somewhere over [[Cleveland (city)|Cleveland]]". Naturally, Lugnut was displeased, and he used his [[Punch of Kill Everything|super-punch]] to floor the Autobots—and bury himself and Blitzwing under the rubble. When Blitzwing unburied himself, he irritatedly reminded Lugnut of his oft-repeated request for a little warning before the punch.

[[File:LugnutBlitzwingNemesis.JPG|left|upright=1.1|thumb|"This was Megatron's ship!" "Oh, cool! Maybe my DVD collection's still in there."]]
Having observed the battle over a live feed, Megatron opted to radio Lugnut exclusively, leaving Blitzwing struggling to work out what exactly was going on. Blitzwing believed Lugnut was only listening to voices in his head, so Lugnut had to take him along forcibly. Uncertain of the number and strength of the Autobots' "reinforcements" (the Detroit Police Department), the pair scanned Earth vehicles for disguises so they could lay low. Icy Blitzwing wanted to scan a fighter jet, while Hothead wanted a tank. After a brief argument, Random suggested that they scan both. That evening, the two Decepticons followed the Autobots to [[Lake Erie]], where Blitzwing froze the lake. When the Autobots submerged, he followed them in tank form. Blitzwing was lured by the Autobots towards [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|their ship]] and blasted by one of its weapons systems. He and Lugnut were left fragmented but functional and floated to the surface, only to be met by Starscream, who offered to repair them in exchange for a pledge of undying allegiance. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}

[[File:Megatron Rising 1 Ratchet Blitzwing Key.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Oooh, Autobot-cicles, fresh out of the freezer!]]
Apparently, they chose to serve under Starscream, but still were bickering with each other. When Lugnut began receiving internal transmissions from Megatron again, Starscream was confused, and Blitzwing explained that it was a "technical glitch" that happened. A lot. When Starscream learned that Lugnut thought he was talking to Megatron, he felt threatened and scanned Lugnut, detecting the signals. Starscream ordered both Lugnut and Blitzwing to find the [[AllSpark Key]] while he himself tracked the transmissions.

At the moment, the AllSpark Key was in the hands of [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]. Blitzwing used his ice guns to freeze Ratchet and rip off the arm that was carrying the Key. Afterward, they went to [[Sumdac Tower]] to find Megatron. In the process of greeting him, they revealed Megatron's true Decepticon nature to [[Isaac Sumdac (Animated)|Prof. Sumdac]]. Blitzwing, now understanding what had been going on with Lugnut, inserted the Key into Megatron's head, restoring their true leader. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

[[File:Megatron Rising 2 Blitzwing tank crash.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|He's just as aerodynamic as the next tank.]]
As Megatron proceeded to beat up the Autobots, Blitzwing and Lugnut decided not to intervene and kept an eye on Professor Sumdac instead. When Megatron called his loyal troops to him, Blitzwing looked on as his leader made an example of Starscream. The Decepticons took to the air, locating and attacking the Autobots' ship as it travelled from the lake to the Tower, then from the Tower to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], where it was shot down. Blitzwing split off to tackle Prowl, Ratchet and Bumblebee, before being brought down by a combined EMP burst. As Blitzwing rolled around and shelled the Autobots, Prowl noticed that Blitzwing's personalities were connected to his alternate modes and powers. By this time, Blitzwing was back in the air, but Bumblebee taunted the Triple Changer enough that Hothead Blitzwing took over, transformed from jet to tank—and fell into the lake. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

[[File:TFA Blitzwing Jet Altmode.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|I'm gunning for you, [[Snoopy]].]]
The Decepticons set up a base in a mine containing carbon deposits, which would block their energy signatures so they could recover from their encounter with the Autobots without detection. When Megatron announced his new plan to conquer [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Blitzwing felt the plan was crazy, as neither he nor Lugnut had any idea how they would get there. He changed his mind when Megatron explained that they would build their own [[space bridge]] using the specs Megatron had downloaded from the Autobots' ship during one of the encounters with the Autobots. However, they would need the captured Prof. Sumdac to help them, as the specs were incomplete. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

After Isaac Sumdac developed a device that shielded their energy signatures from Autobot sensors, Blitzwing and Lugnut went to retrieve a tachyon transmitter from the [[Elite Guard]]'s [[Sigma Supreme|ship]]. When they presented it to Megatron, Starscream appeared, tried to kill Megatron—and was killed by Megatron. However, Starscream appeared to survive, and Blitzwing spent the rest of the evening dumping Starscream's body into the river...repeatedly. The next day, Blitzwing and Megatron responded to an AllSpark energy signature which turned out to be a trap laid by Starscream. Blitzwing and Megatron then pursued the traitor, offlining him again. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

Blitzwing was later sent by Megatron to track down an AllSpark fragment, with an oddly disappearing energy signature. He froze [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] and much of the surrounding landscape, destroyed a bridge, [[Carmine Fanzone|Captain Fanzone]]'s [[Captain Fanzone's car|car]], and [[Master Disaster (Animated)|Master Disaster]]'s truck before [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari Sumdac]] managed to make him leave using Master Disaster's remote. {{storylink|Velocity (episode)|Velocity}}

Blitzwing and Lugnut wound up stuck with the dirty work, collecting supplies for the construction of the space bridge. Foiled by the Autobots, they tried again the next day, hauling heavy trailers up a hill. Blitzwing's foot slipped, and he was nearly offlined by the trailer sending him careening towards a wall. Bracing for impact, his demise was interrupted by the intervention of [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] and [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]]. Seeing a good opportunity in the brawny Constructibots, he tricked them into hauling the two trailers to the mine. Though Lugnut stated that Megatron would never stand for this, he reassured the huge Decepticon that the two newcomers would be offlined as soon as the work was done. True to his word, Blitzwing was about to have Lugnut dispatch the hapless bots when Megatron stepped in. He had bigger plans for them. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

When Lockdown announced he had captured Starscream, whose head Megatron had set a bounty on, Blitzwing was among the Decepticons who accompanied Megatron to collect the traitor and apprehended Prowl when he tried to intervene. However, when the Autobots arrived with ''another'' Starscream, it was revealed that both Starscreams were actually [[Clone number 3370318|booby-trapped]] [[Clone number 2716057|sparkless clones]]. Blitzwing followed Megatron in escaping forcibly through the ceiling. However, when Prowl used the upgrades given to him by Lockdown to send the clones into the air, the bombs exploded, not too far from the fleeing Decepticons {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}

[[File:TFA Sari no one home Blitzwing Ratchet hostage.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Verrry interesting...but shtupid.]]
When the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]] resurfaced, Megatron dispatched Blitzwing to bring them back to the mine, giving him some oil to entice them, and instructing the Triple Changer not to engage the Autobots. During his search, Blitzwing came across the Autobots. Although his Icy personality wanted to continue the search, his Hothead and Random personality decided to engage them. During the battle, Blitzwing utterly dominated the Autobots, and eventually took Ratchet hostage. At that point, Megatron ordered Blitzwing to disengage and resume his search. Finally locating the Constructicons, Blitzwing offered the two the oil barrels he was carrying, and led them back to base. {{storylink|Sari, No One's Home}}

Soon after the space bridge was near completion, the Autobots found the Decepticons' hideout and attempted to stop them. Blitzwing and Lugnut attacked the Autobots invading their underground base, but they ended up getting [[Stasis cuffs|stasis cuffed]] by [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]]. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}} Blitzwing was later retrieved by Scrapper and joined in on the attack on [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]. His Hothead side was unimpressed with the gargantuan Autobot, and he vowed to damage Omega Supreme so badly he'd need a GPS locator to help him find his still-attached exhaust port. Omega was equally unimpressed with the verbal posturing and headbutted Blitzwing to the horizon. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

[[File:FiveServosOfDoom-CapturedDecepticons.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|"So, how often do you transform them for display?"]]
When [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] hired Lockdown to capture Decepticons for him, Blitzwing was one of the bounty hunter's early victims. He was subsequently locked up in the Elite Guard flagship alongside a stasis-locked Swindle, and had mouth clamps placed on each of his faces to keep him quiet. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}} Along with the other captured Decepticons, Blitzwing was transported back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Predacons Rising (Animated)|Predacons Rising}}

When the Autobots became trapped in [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave's]] virtual reality, Blitzwing was among the Decepticons who invaded and attack Detroit. Unfortunately for him, Bulkhead smashed through his leg as he attempted to stomp Prowl while Bumblebee pummeled his faces.{{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}

As the Elite Guard headed back to Cybertron with their prisoners, they navigated the ship through an energy storm in outer space, causing a stray bolt of energy to hit the ship and free Swindle, who had been left unrestrained. The greedy Decepticon immediately released Blitzwing and the others from their bonds and provided them with new weaponry. Led by Lugnut, the Decepticons defeated and captured the crew, only for Optimus Prime to transwarp into the ship and release them. The ensuing battle took place outside the ship, where Blitzwing froze Sentinel Prime and threatened to blast his head off if the other Autobots didn't surrender. The plan was a success, and the captured Autobots were led into their own decontamination unit to be frozen. (Blitzwing's crazy side also wanted them grinded up into snowcones.) However, this was the Autobots' plan all along, as [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] had tampered with the freeze-gas pipes, causing Blitzwing, [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]] and [[Ramjet (Animated)|Ramjet]] to be frozen instead. The three Decepticons were subsequently recaptured and brought to Cybertron, where Sentinel Prime displayed them during his [[Magnus (rank)|Magnus]]-promotion parade. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

===''Animated'' shorts===
[[File:MockMeg-lackeys.jpg|200px|thumb|Not pictured: JK Rowling's Twitter page]]
As Starscream heckled Megatron during a rousing speech, Blitzwing looked on in utter horror until Megatron eventually dispatched Starscream straight through a wall. The sight of such brutality caused Blitzwing to wince. {{storylink|Starscream Heckles Megatron}}

After the defeat of the Autobots, Blitzwing praised Starscream as the obvious choice for Decepticon leadership, threatening to crush anyone crazy enough to suggest otherwise...or, at least, the imagined version in Starscream's dream did. The real Blitzwing was none too pleased about Starscream falling asleep in the middle of the Decepticons' staff meeting. {{storylink|Starscream's Fantasy}}

Later, Blitzwing asked Lugnut to help build a new Decepticon swimming pool, but the lunatic couldn't settle on where it should be located, forcing Lugnut to use his [[Punch of Kill Everything]] to create gigantic craters over and over ''and over''. {{storylink|Explosive Fist}}

Blitzwing once came across a tiny medallion with Autobot and Decepticon logos on either side, and begin idly [[scene transition|spinning it back-and-forth while humming to himself]]. Eventually, Lugnut got sick of it and punched him in the back of the head, knocking him out of his apparent trance. {{storylink|Logo (Animated)|Logo}}

===''Be the Hero'' books===
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====''Prime Suspect''====
Upon discovering that the launch of [[HomeTech]]'s new range of [[Pixie-6]] helpbots was imminent, Blitzwing cooked up a plan to steal a Pixie-6 control sphere. Holographically disguising himself as Optimus Prime, he broke into HomeTech's laboratory and successfully stole a controller, which he modified to be powerful enough to control ''all'' of the Pixie-6 'bots. He intended to wait until they had been sold and installed in every home in America, but the Autobots caught up with him at HomeTech's warehouse. After a brief battle, Blitzwing was subdued, and Prime announced that they would attempt to reprogram him into an Autobot. {{storylink|Prime Suspect (Animated)|Prime Suspect}}

===''The Cool'' comic===
[[File:TheCoolBlitzwingKneels01.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|right|Everybody knows Triple-Changers speak perfect Japanese!]]

Blitzwing was part of Megatron's band of Decepticons, chasing down the Autobots who had rediscovered the long-lost AllSpark. He was visibly frustrated (though he maintained his "Icy" persona) when Megatron along with the Autobots disappeared through a Space Bridge gate. {{storylink|The Cool Extra issue 3|The Cool Extra #3}}

Through some means, Blitzwing succeeded in obtaining the [[AllSpark Key|key]] and bringing it to the disembodied head of Megatron. Upon Megatron's rebirth, Blitzwing offered to help him destroy the opposing Autobots. Lugnut berated Blitzwing for trying to rob Megatron of a good time, and Megatron agreed with Lugnut, as he wanted the Autobots all to himself. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 5}}

Blitzwing later joined the other Decepticons in intercepting the rogue Starscream from the bounty hunter [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]. When the "Starscream" they were given turned out to be a bomb, Blitzwing and the other Decepticons fled into the sky, only to be caught in the explosion ''anyway'' after [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] launched the clones at them with his rocket packs. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 6}}

During the battle for the Decepticon [[Space bridge|Space Bridge]], Blitzwing attempted to keep [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] from interfering with Megatron's battle against Optimus Prime. The speedsters proved too much for him, however, running in circles around him until his rotating faces got dizzy. They then slapped a pair of stasis cuffs on him, and "random" Blitzwing cried that his arms had "fallen asleep" as the cuffs paralyzed him. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 7}}
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==Games==
===Transformers Animated: The Game===
{{voiceactor|[[Bumper Robinson]] (English)|[[Martial Le Minoux]] (French)}}

[[File:TFAnimated Game Blitzwing.jpg|thumb|left|324px|Can you guess which one wants to do the victory dance?]]
As the Decepticon armies stood ready to invade [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], two of Blitzwing's personalities were keen to get to bashing Autobots. The third just wanted to do the Decepticon victory dance. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The Game}}
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===Transformers Animated: ''Action Packs''===
{{note|Blitzwing is featured as a playable game card. He is a black card, has a value of 9 points, and has the following power: "-2 to all reds in play".}} {{storylink|Transformers Animated: Action Packs}}

==Toys==
===''Animated''===
[[File:Ani blitz.JPG|right|upright=1.66|thumb|"WHY IS IT GETTING SO CROWDED IN HERE?!" "Oh, wait, it's me." ''"And me! AHAHAHAHAAA!!!"'' ''(Hasbro Version Pictured)'']]
*'''Blitzwing''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TA-13'''
**''Accessories'': 2 "flame" missiles
{{toydesigner|[[Eric Siebenaler]] (Hasbro), [[Alex Kubalsky]] and [[Takashi Kunihiro]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Derrick J. Wyatt]] (concept artist)}}

: Blitzwing transforms into a futuristic "Mech-Warrior"-ish tank with two large, spring-loaded anti-aircraft-like guns, and a fighter jet that loosely resembles the Northrop Grumman F-14 Tomcat. His tank-cannons become the jet's thrusters. The [[robot mode]] has three faces, which can be switched around via a knob on the back of the head. Surprisingly against the [[For safety reasons|norm]], Blitzwing's pointy nosecone is molded from rigid plastic. He has a pair of panels on his forearms that are spring-loaded to be able to lie flush in his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]s, yet make his arms wider in robot mode (as they tend to be rather flat without them).
: Sadly, his cannons cannot tilt forward over his shoulders when in robot mode. Though promotional photos showed the figure with a gold traditional Decepticon insignia, the final toy used the movie variant in the tampograph.

: Blitzwing also has a minor [[misassembly]] problem, in that his upper arms are swapped. This is the reason his wings cannot press down flush with the rest of the jet fuselage. This can be fixed by pulling off his arms, unscrewing the one screw visible on either forearm, then separating the upper arms and switching them, which makes for a much-improved jet mode.

: In addition, this figure's [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/attachments/img_20160314_131023-1-jpg.27574915/ helmet tends to become sticky] after storage. This can easily be fixed with some careful washcloth treatment.

: The TakaraTomy release of the figure features a metallic paint scheme on most of the paintable parts.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/Blitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on Animated Blitzwing at TFU.info]''
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[[File:TFAnimated McDonalds Blitzwing.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|[[Chip Chase|No one's ever really insane so long as he has courage!]]]]
*'''Blitzwing''' (McDonald's Happy Meal toys, 2009)

: A very simplified (but well painted!) version of Blitzwing that has abandoned his triple changer aspect for simplicity's sake. Although this toy sports Blitzwing's "Icy" face, he transforms into "Hothead"'s tank mode.

:This toy was only available in French McDonald's restaurants. Why they got this singular exclusive is anyone's guess.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/McBlitzwing/blitzwing.htm More information on McDonald's Blitzwing at TFU.info]''

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*'''Darkness Showdown: Prowl / Blitzwing''' (Multi-pack, [[April 24]] 2010)
**''Accessories'': 2 "flame" missiles

: In the Takara ''Animated'' line, Blitzwing was also available in a "Darkness Showdown" (暗闇の対決, ''kurayami no taiketsu'', also called "Battle in the Dark" on English on the box-back) two-pack with [[Prowl (Animated)#Toys|Prowl]]. Released in the second wave of ''Animated'' product, both toys are identical to their individual releases.
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==Notes==
*When developing the character who would become Blitzwing, [[Marty Isenberg]] originally envisioned a crazy, Joker-like character who could turn into anything, but was driven mad by his constant shapeshifting.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20160923144431/http://www.allspark.com/2016/09/transformers-animated-story-bible-never-seen-before Allspark.com: "Transformers Animated Story Bible – Never Seen Before!" (via the Internet Archive)]</ref> Obviously, that idea proved unworkable in toy terms, so art director [[Derrick J. Wyatt]] proposed using [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] for the role. When Hasbro deemed a [[Six Changer]] to be too expensive, the Triple Changer Blitzwing was finally settled upon instead.<ref name="artstory">[http://web.archive.org/web/20131211020037/http://www.cvcomics.com/artandstory/?p=242 Art & Story interview with Marty Isenberg] (Archive copy)</ref> As fate would have it, Hasbro designer [[Eric Siebenaler]] had been itching to do a face-swapping Blitzwing since 2005.<ref>Blitzwing's long design history was detailed at [[BotCon 2008|BotCon 2008's]] Hasbro Design panel.</ref>
*His German accent was a last-minute improvisation by voice actor [[Bumper Robinson]], inspired by the character's name, that went on to influence his entire [[robot mode]] aesthetic; once Robinson had been cast in the role, Blitzwing was subsequently designed to "make him look really German",<ref name="artstory"/> with his helmet an obvious nod to a World War II-era {{w|Stahlhelm}} helmet and goggles.
*Blitzwing's face-changing [[gimmick]] was in part inspired by {{w|Man-E-Faces}} from ''Masters of the Universe.''<ref>According to [[Hasbro]] employees speaking at the 2007 Comic-ConInternational.</ref> He's not the first Transformers toy to feature multiple rotating faces; [[Alpha Quintesson]], inspired by the five-faced Generation 1 [[Quintesson]]s, holds that distinction. The fiction-only character [[Violengiguar]] also had three faces that spoke in different tones.
*According to the Allspark Almanac, Blitzwing wasn't always the [[Triple Changer]] we know him as today. His current state came about as a result of being rebuilt by [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] after the Great War, to increase his versatility. This process, however, also had the side effect of giving him three distinct personalities, something [[Springer (Animated)|hinted at earlier]] by [[Derrick J. Wyatt]].
*According to [[Derrick J. Wyatt]], becoming crazy seems to be an inevitability for Triple-Changers, as opposed to an avoidable side-effect or possible risk.<ref>[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/11/my-desk-is-mess.html#c5110113958119556634]</ref>
*In the Japanese dub of the series, Blitzwing speaks with a stressed ''American'' accent, rather than a German one.
**His "Icy" personality speaks with (what's regarded in Japan as) a very stereotypical (but polite) American accent; sounding out words slowly, always using the bland but respectful ''-masu'' form and ending nearly every sentence with a proper ''desu''.
**His "Hothead" personality speaks with a "rude" American accent and spouts English words and phrases such as "Hey!", "Now" and often ends sentences with "Man!"
**His "Random" personality mostly loses the American accent and is instead a throwback to actor [[Yūichi Nagashima]]'s previous performance as [[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]] in ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Super Link]]'' (another character with a split personality/rotating face gimmick).
*Blitzwing's design was used in the [[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|''More Than Meets the Eye'' comic book]] as the basis for a generic member of the [[Titan Hunter]]s, chumming around with [[Lugnut (TF 2010)|that continuity's Lugnut]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Blitzwing''' (ブリッツウイング ''Burittsuuingu'')

==References==
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[[Category:McDonald's exclusives]]
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Nightshade (ES)

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Gigirassy: wings are removable

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig2|the Terran from ''EarthSpark''|the BotBot|Nightshade (BotBots)}}
:''Nightshade is a [[Terran]] from the [[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|EarthSpark]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Nightshade-earthspark-stock.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.1|Give a hoot! Read a book!]]

A [[Terran]] with a flair for the dramatic and boundless confidence, '''Nightshade Malto''' can seem weirdly distant at times. It's not that they're unfriendly by any measure: while they can certainly be glib and quick with a quip, they approach nearly everything and everyone with bright eyes and a huge smile. They're fascinated and delighted with the world they've found themselves in, and long to experience as much of it as possible. It's just that they'll do so on ''their'' terms. Nightshade prefers a quiet time reading rather than the energetic physical play of their siblings (or the endless online media onslaught that [[Hashtag (ES)|Hashtag]] enjoys). They're often in their lab tinkering away on some new device to aid their family, though they have a tendency to spring these surprises without warning, which can be awkward, or worse, depending on how ambitious Nightshade was feeling at the time. But as much time as they spend alone, they always come back in time, ever happy to join in family game nights and group celebrations.

But their bright, easygoing, giving nature should not be mistaken as weakness. Though they're generally averse to conflict, they do not abide threats to family, friends or even strangers they've just met, and they ''will'' fight with everything they have to protect those in need. Their incredible aerial maneuverability and quick thinking make them a very unpredictable opponent who aims to stop the fight as quickly as possible... after all, there are so many, many much nicer things to be doing.

{{bigquote|I always knew my pronouns felt right, but... what a wonderful word for a wonderful experience.|Nightshade on "nonbinary", "[[Home, Part 1]]"}}

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==Fiction==
===''EarthSpark'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Z Infante]] (English)|[[Benjamin Bollen]] (French), [[Mario Heras]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Carole Fernandez]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}

[[File:AgeOfEvolution1-Nightshadeonline.jpg|thumb|upright=1.33|]]

Nightshade was brought to life at the same time as their other siblings [[Jawbreaker (ES)|Jawbreaker]] and [[Hashtag (ES)|Hashtag]] by the Malto siblings [[Mo Malto| Mo]] and [[Robby Malto| Robby]] via the [[Emberstone]] in the same cave where their other siblings, [[Twitch]] and [[Thrash (ES)|Thrash]], were first created. The otherwise happy moment was interrupted by a cave-in caused by a battle outside the cave between [[Optimus Prime (ES)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bumblebee (ES)|Bumblebee]] against the Decepticon Seekers, [[Skywarp (ES)| Skywarp]] and [[Nova Storm (ES)| Nova Storm]]. {{storylink|Age of Evolution, Part 1}} Despite being only a few seconds old, Nightshade and the other new Terrans instinctually came to their new family's rescue by shielding them from the collapsing cave rubble.

Emerging from the collapsed cave, they were warmly greeted by Optimus, who inquired about Nightshade and their siblings' names. Unlike Hashtag and Jawbreaker, Nightshade instinctually knew their name right off the bat and said what a delight it was to meet them. Sensing the pain the other Maltos and Terrans felt about learning their [[Dot Malto|mother]] was held captive by someone called [[Mandroid]], Nightshade volunteered to help them. While planning "Operation: Terran Horse", Nightshade, via their connection to Mo through her [[cyber-sleeve]], informed Optimus their pronouns were "they" and "them" and that male or female pronouns didn't fit them. While infiltrating Mandroid's base with Jawbreaker and Hashtag by posing as Decepticons who had captured Optimus, Nightshade was unable to hide their horror at Mandroid's experiments he was performing on the captured [[Megatron (ES)|Megatron]]. Their ruse quickly exposed, a battle erupted that saw Mandroid's base turn into a walking mech that required the combined efforts of the Malto family and their allies to take down. Following the battle, Nightshade was formally introduced to Dot and welcomed into her family. {{storylink|Age of Evolution, Part 2}}

Now a formal member of the Malto household, Nightshade found the cramped living quarters of the family barn unsuitable as a living space for their Terran siblings and set out to construct a new one. They covertly ended up recruiting Thrash to aide them in this, who was looking to try and bond with his new younger sibling. When Hashtag and Twitch returned with Bumblebee from a mishap with G.H.OS.T., Nightshade used the family gathering to introduce everyone to the [[Dugout|new base]] they had constructed beneath the farmstead. {{storylink|Hashtag: Oops}} Nightshade was present at the family movie night that showed off the movie Hashtag made while trying to find Jawbreaker an alt-mode. {{storylink|Outtakes}}

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Worried that Nightshade was isolating themselves from their family because they didn't share many interests, Alex introduced Nightshade to the ''[[Winged Sentinel]]'' books by his favorite author, [[D.E. O'Neil]]. Taken by the stories of daring heroism, Nightshade resolved to meet O'Neil, who was a Witwicky local, feeling they had found someone they could bond with. They quickly worked out O'Neil's current address and took off to visit... only to discover their "current address" was a cemetery, as the author was in fact deceased. But an encounter with a "groundskeeper" soon led to Nightshade instead discovering the reclusive Decepticon scientist, [[Tarantulas (ES)|Tarantulas]]. Bonding with the Decepticon spider over their shared interests in science and shared ''lack'' of interest in continuing the Autobot/Decepticon conflict, Nightshade aided Tarantulas in constructing a holographic projector that would allow him to completely avoid detection from G.H.O.S.T. During this partnership, Tarantulas expanded the young Terran's mindset on what alt-modes could be. Following a miscommunication, Tarantulas came to believe Nightshade was a prisoner of their human parents and kidnapped the two with the intent of wiping their memories so he could take Nightshade on the run with him. When Nightshade rescued their parents, they scanned a statue of the ''Winged Sentinel'' owl, granting them a new [[beast mode]]. Besting Tarantulas in combat just as the rest of Nightshade's family arrived on scene, Nightshade convinced Bumblebee to give the spider a second chance. When G.H.O.S.T. showed up, Tarantulas decided to make the best of this second chance and volunteered to lead G.H.O.S.T. away to let the Maltos escape. {{storylink|Missed Connection}}

When [[Jon Schloder|Agent Schloder]] arrived at the Malto family farm hot on Bumblebee's trail, Nightshade and Hashtag used the opportunity to show off the new "Emergency Lockdown" protocol they had installed in the Terran base. Sealing up the base whenever a G.H.O.S.T. vehicle (Hashtag excluded) approached the area, it made entry or exit of the dugout virtually impossible. Unfortunately the two hadn't worked out all the kinks yet and discovered that instead of keeping the lockdown going for 10 minutes after Schloder departed, it was instead set for 10 ''hours''. Stuck in the base, Nightshade and the others were unable to help Bumblebee and Dot in their attempts to evade G.H.OS.T. When Dot and Alex returned later that night and informed them Bee had to go back on the run, Nightshade confronted the devastated Twitch. {{storylink|Security Protocols}}

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Still new to the concept of gift-giving, for their present to Dot on Mother's Day, Nightshade made several secret modification to their mother's prosthetic leg in hopes of making her life easier. While it proved critical in aiding Dot and the others in taking care of a mutated mother bear that was terrorizing them, Nightshade was confronted by Dot that they needed to ask for permission when tampering with something as personal as Dot's leg. Nightshade apologized and in the future promised to work with Dot if they wanted to modify her leg. {{storylink|Bear Necessities}} When Nightshade, and their other siblings, were taken to [[Spacebridge Memorial Park]] by Megatron to learn of the history of the Cybertronian War, they found their meeting interrupted by the return of the dormant Decepticon [[Shockwave (ES)|Shockwave]]. When Shockwave initiated an overload of the power chamber of the derelict Space Bridge, Nightshade worked with Robby and Thrash to disconnect them while Megatron battled it out with Shockwave. {{storylink|Warzone}}

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When the Terrans were taken on a nightly visit to [[Philadelphia]] by Robby and Mo, Nightshade went by themselves when the group split up and got a chance to act out their heroic fantasies when they saved a young non-binary female from an attempted mugging. Taking note of their pronoun pins on their purse, Nightshade introduced themselves to [[Sam (ES)|Sam]], who warmed up to the Terran when they told of them of their own pronouns. It was talking with Sam where Nightshade learned of the concept of being "non-binary", which they felt was a wonderful word to describe themselves. Upon reuniting with their family, Nightshade was surprised to see Bumblebee along with them. Needing help in tracking down the lost Autobot, [[Grimlock (ES)|Grimlock]], Nightshade eagerly joined him. {{storylink|Home, Part 1}} However, the search for Grimlock soon turned into a battle with the returning Mandroid. After taking down one of Mandroid's newest Arachnamech creations, Nightshade and the rest of their family found themselves having to fight the mind-controlled Hashtag. Taking the fight to the city above, Nightshade discovered attempts to forcibly remove her control chip were blocked by a forcefield. Eventually, they were all able free their sister when they were empowered by a mysterious energy that originated from the cave where the Terrans had been born. With their sister freed, Nightshade and the others raced back to Witwicky in hopes of getting home before their parents woke up. {{storylink|Home, Part 2}}

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==Toys==
===''EarthSpark''===
[[File:TF-Earthspark-Deluxe-Nightshade.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|That's the kind of thousand-yard stare that only comes from a veteran of the Culture Wars.]]
*'''Nightshade''' (Deluxe, 2023)
**''Accessories'': Owl wings, 2 knives, Mandroid torso

: Released as part of the third wave of ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (toyline)|EarthSpark]]'' Deluxe Class toys, Nightshade transforms into a robotic/statuesque hawk owl in thirteen steps. Notably, their robot mode has the full-size wings of the owl mode as a removable back accessory, as Hasbro/Takara have not yet figured out how to break physics. Speaking of the wings, each one contains a <s>shiv</s> knife that Nightshade can use as a hand-held weapon in robot mode.

: This toy also comes packed with the torso to the [[Mandroid]] [[Build a Figure|build-a-figure]].

: Nightshade was first listed on Portuguese toy website ''fnac.pt'', prior to any official announcement by Hasbro. They were then spotted alongside their wavemate Grimlock about a month later in Taiwan.

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==Notes==
* While other nonbinary characters like [[Screwball]] had previously been introduced in other extended ''Transformers'' media, Nightshade is the first character to be openly identified as such in a ''Transformers'' cartoon. ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse]]'' previously featured a sort of edge case in the form of [[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)|Acid Storm]], but the character was not intentionally written that way, instead falling into the realm of [[pseudocanon]] via [[authorial intent]] in response to a recurring [[animation error]].
* Nightshade's alternate mode is scanned from a decorative statue of an owl. Thus, it is not clear whether this mode is supposed to look like a real (albeit huge) owl or a moving statue.

===Foreign names===
*''Hungarian:'' '''Gyorsacél''' ("High-Speed Steel")

[[Category:Nonbinary characters]]
[[Category:Terrans]]

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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games. 
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I think artistic liberty vs. new design would have to be on a case by case basis. Burcham's art of the BW cast wouldn't count for gallery purposes, in my opinion. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I think it would be cool to have art of the same designs in different artstyles, but I agree it should probably be on case by case basis. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 6:17 PM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I currently have a sandbox to test galleries using Tigatron https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:MrRald/sandbox/Tigatron#Gallery. I'd appreciate any feedback on things to add or change! [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:44, 1 April 2022 (EDT)
::: I like what you have so far, I think we should maybe add a few more versions of Tigatron, like his different comic appearances and such. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]])

: Now that we're actually going ahead with this... I have to ask, what are the galleries actually ''for''? When we were discussing this I was under the impression that they were going to be for "behind-the-scenes" images that wouldn't otherwise have a place on the wiki, like out-of-universe character models, character concept art, or full-body renders from stuff like guidebooks. Right now, a lot of the galleries just feel redundant, given that they're just a bunch of cartoon and comic screengrabs taken from the relevant section and removed of all context... and a lot of them, like [[Blaster (G1)/gallery]] are just completely empty. The fact that every character ''can'' have a gallery does not mean that all of them ''should'', especially if most of them are just going to be redundant or mostly empty. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 18:57, 4 August 2022 (EDT)
::Agreed, I feel like this is bloating the wiki and toeing over the line of our vague remit. Despite having a LOT of images, we're not an image repository. Also, a lot of these could probably be done as a single subsection of the characters' mainpage under below "Notes" of whatever rather than as separate mostly-blank-space sub-pages full of sub-headers with like two images total in them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 06:11, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I didn't think they'd be separate pages. What I was expecting was whichever of the cartoon character model, Dreamwave profile art or package art weren't being used for the mainpic, plus behind-the-scenes stuff, plus maybe extra bits from artbooks, covers, or sources like that. Stuff that can't just be slotted into a fiction writeup—and I don't mean "comic crops we don't have room for because equivalent/better panels are already in the fiction section". —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:35, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
My intentions for the gallery pages were for users to actually do the work in uploading character models, renders, et al., not dumping whatever cartoon screencaps we already have in fiction sections. And separate pages would be on a case by case basis. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:46, 5 August 2022 (EDT)
I don't see the point, honestly. It seems like pretty much any significant body a significant enough character has will appear on the wiki at some point in a comic panel or a toy info image or a screenshot or something, somewhere. I'm not sure this is a problem that needs solving. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 20:36, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

===G1 model images===
To branch off of this topic, how would we feel about using [https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/the-most-accurately-coloured-g1-animation-models-online.301/ DM's coloured models] for the G1 cartoon model galleries? The last time I brought this topic up (on Discord), some people were against the idea, due to them being fan-colour works and not official, but a few newer developments have been made since I last brought it up.

To clarify, for those unaware of DM's works:

* All of the line art is original and unedited (unlike several of the models in ''The Ark'' books, which had been tweaked, altered and traced by Bill Forster to make them presentable for publishing).
* The models are the final ones used throughout the majority of the cartoon (in Toei-animated episodes at least). Note: several of the models in ''The Ark'' books we have also come to discover were unfinalized ones, due to the internet and more stuff being made public since what was originally found around 2007—not to discredit Jim and Bill's hard work in putting those books together, it's just some of what we knew then isn't entirely correct now.
* And finally, the colours (which was the big thing some people were against). Unlike the handful of fan-coloured models that were originally uploaded to the wiki in the past, which eye dropped colors straight from poor quality episode masters, DM's colours are based directly on Toei and Marvel Productions' model colour guides, colour codes, charts, colour chips found by a member of the ''Dragon Ball'' fandom (who has scanned and digitized said colour chips) and other original production materials, meaning that the colours DM has used are all coming from the ''original'' original source.

An alternative Mr. Rald had brought up on Discord is that we could possibly look at using the uncoloured model line art instead, if people feel strongly against using fan-coloured works, but I think in order to present the G1 character models fully as references, you kinda need the colours included, especially given how poor the cartoon production was, what with all the animation errors (even in Toei episodes) etc, making it hard to gather decent references for the characters, which is mostly what these galleries are for.

Also, for the record, DM has given us permission to use his colourings on the wiki.

Let me know you thoughts. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (EDT)

: I personally think that we should use DM's coloured models, they are as official as coloured models are going to get, and it's not like DM just randomly picked and chose want colours to use as FOCS said. We could just have the model and the colour guide, but at that point, just have the model sheet coloured. I would however be in favour of the uncoloured models with colour guides and the sheets with the fully coloured models to cover all our bases. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:16 AM, 6 April 2022 (PDT)

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

== Category for characters with no established gender ==

So I just had this idea and decided to share it here because why not? We have categories for female characters and variable gender characters but not for characters with undetermined genders. Many BotBots for example don't have genders and I think this category could be a useful way of grouping them together. And who knows, maybe someday it could even help official creators specifically looking for genderless characters to establish a gender to them. Does anyone agree to implement this category? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:06, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:This concept has been discussed before in the past, and generally the feeling has been that this would be a bit too much like the wiki actively trying to shape canon. Don't get me wrong, creators taking advantage of characters with no official pronouns is neat and I'm all for it, but IMO the wiki shouldn't directly serve up them. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:26, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
::Interestingly, I can't seem to find a prior community portal discussion about this matter, though I know it has come up on the Discord server more than once, to the conclusion Jalaguy mentioned. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:35, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify, I thought of "official creators using it" as a quick example in favor of the category, but now I can totally see how it sounded like trying to influence canon too much. Regardless, I'd still be down for having the category if we agreed on it being useful for any other reason. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:51, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

== Category for trans characters ==

We had a productive conversation about the no established gender thing on the wiki discord and it made me realize that there should be a transgender category for the five established trans characters that there are so far, Arcee (who has established trans characterization on two different pages), Howlback, Arcadis, Anode, and Lug. Jalaguy mentioned that this has been discussed and people thought it was a good idea but it hasn't happened, so I just thought I'd ask for go-ahead on this. I figured that transgender rather than just trans could be a good word to use for this, due to them all being people who have gender. The term trans is merely more broad and could cover different kinds of transness than that or aesthetic stuff that is similar to gender, but we have no confirmation of being there yet in canon. Thus I think transgender would be the most accurate and desirable term here, and the umbrella trans can always be tacked on later if we need to. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 5:40PM 3 April 2022 (PDT) (edited 5:48PM PDT for clarity)
:Seconded. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 5:53 PM, 3 April 2022 (PDT)
::Since there are no objections, I'll go ahead. :3 -- [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 4:19AM, 11 April 2022 (PDT)

==Streamlining disambig headers (revist)==
So I remember this conversation from last year about streamlining the disambiguation headers. I checked back on the talk page discussion (link to said discussion archive here https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Streamlining_disambig_headers) to see what happened and even though there was a lot of people who liked the idea with some who did not, it did not seem like it went anywhere. I thought I'd see if anyone else would like to revisit this idea as I feel like this would streamline things more, especially for Movie and Aligned and maybe a bit of UT especially for the guys who show up in all 3 shows or those don't have other bots who are completely different sharing the same name within the trilogy. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 9:01 PM, 12 April 2022 (PDT)

== Disambig tags and suites for Masterforce paired pages ==

We need to balance out our page titles for ''Masterforce'' human + transtector character pairs. Right now we have among extant pages and tentative redlinks:

Bullhorn (G1), Cab (human), Cancer (G1), Clouder, Ginrai (human), Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1), Minerva (human), Ranger, Road King, Wilder (G1)

Bullhorn (robot), Cab (robot), Cancer (robot), [something], Ginrai (robot), Goshooter, Lightfoot (robot), Minerva (G1 robot), Ranger (robot), Road King (robot), Wilder (robot)

I propose either we do human gets no species tag with the robot getting a species tag as the splinter page:

Bullhorn (G1) | Bullhorn (G1)/robot

or the human does get a species tag to equally balance with the robot:

Bullhorn (G1)/human | Bullhorn (G1)/robot

This would eliminate the need to have any longer-within-parentheses tag like "Minerva (G1 robot)" which would be affected by future continuities which may not yet have happened. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:55, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
:I would prefer either the human gets the "default" continuity tag with no further disambiguation or (human)/(robot) (with needed variations for disambiguation). The slash system is ugly to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:59, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
::I'm of the opinion that the slash option for both feels the most fair. While the human versions were the first and thus feel the most deserving of the "default" tag, the robot versions are likely to become more commonplace and relevant as newer fiction dips its toes into using more Japanese characters. On a similar note, it was decided not to give the "BW" tag to either BW Silverbolt out of fairness, so while a similar "human/robot" concept could be implemented, there is the problem with Minerva having an Animated counterpart who is also a robot, Cancer having an Animated counterpart who is also a human, there being a Kre-O Bullhorn who is also a robot, a G.I. Joe Lightfoot who is also a human, and an IDW Wilder who is also a human. "Minerva (Headmaster)" also doesn't work for the G1 robot since the human was a Headmaster too. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:29, 22 April 2022 (EDT)
::The slash system may not be entirely visually pleasant, but I consider having "Minerva (G1 robot)" in parentheses worse. In my proposal, all transtector characters would be unified symmetrically as "(robot)". [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:47, 24 April 2022 (EDT)

Here are three proposals to unify the namespaces:

Possibility 1: humans get nothing and robots get slashes

Bullhorn (G1), Cab, Cancer (G1), Clouder, Ginrai, Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1), Minerva (G1), Ranger, Road King, Wilder (G1)

Bullhorn (G1)/robot, Cab/robot, Cancer (G1)/robot, Doubleclouder, Ginrai/robot, Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1)/robot, Minerva (G1)/robot, Ranger/robot, Road King/robot, Wilder (G1)/robot

Possibility 2: both humans and robots get slashes

Bullhorn (G1)/human, Cab/human, Cancer (G1)/human, Clouder/human, Ginrai/human, Shūta Gō/human, Lightfoot (G1)/human, Minerva (G1)/human, Ranger/human, Road King/human, Wilder (G1)/human

Bullhorn (G1)/robot, Cab/robot, Cancer (G1)/robot, Doubleclouder, Ginrai/robot, Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1)/robot, Minerva (G1)/robot, Ranger/robot, Road King/robot, Wilder (G1)/robot

Possibility 3: both humans and robots get parentheses

Bullhorn (G1 human), Cab (human), Cancer (G1 human), Clouder, Ginrai (human), Shūta Gō, Lightfoot (G1 human), Minerva (G1 human), Ranger (human), Road King (human), Wilder (G1 human)

Bullhorn (G1 robot), Cab (robot), Cancer (G1 robot), Doubleclouder, Ginrai (robot), Goshooter, Lightfoot (G1 robot), Minerva (G1 robot), Ranger (robot), Road King (robot), Wilder (G1 robot)

Thoughts? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:12, 12 June 2022 (EDT)
:Isn't Option 1 one basically just a slightly different version of what we're already using and what you're proposing to change in the first place? Anyway, like I said above, Option 2 is the most fair between the human and robot depictions (as Option 1 feels like we're saying "The human versions are the more important versions" when it's the robot versions that are more likely to get any representation in future comic appearances), and it reduces the amount of multiple-word parentheses tags that we usually dislike using and try to avoid as best we can (which is the exact opposite of what Option 3 is proposing). Though, drop the "/human" from Clouder and Shūta Gō since their names already differ from "Doubleclouder" and "Goshooter". No need to complicate those two. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 08:45, 12 June 2022 (EDT)

==Transformers: Armada (Trading Card Collection)==
I recently discovered that Fleer published a Trading Card collection in 2003 for Transformers Armada.
I've documented everything I could find about it - including an Energon (preview) Scorponok card I got from a local retro game store.
[[Iacon0/Sandbox]]
Is it alright if I roll this out? [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 12:52, 1 May 2022 (EDT)

== WFC/FOC Reenergized Server Project info? ==

Info: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO5yzrWE9yVT56Rgxl9oqntVysxWr2k7e

Basically, it brings back the multiplayer servers for the Cybertron games, PC and PS3. Should this be talked about in the pages for those games? (ROTDS and ROTF aren't online at the moment, and 360 versions won't have support) [[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]])}
:It's not official, so no, it shouldn't. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 14:54, 27 June 2022 (EDT)

== Handling of "former GoBots" and "former Diaclone" characters on the wiki ==

So recently we've been seeing multiple characters that had previously been portrayed as dimension-hoppers from non-Transformers realities, but using Transformers designs — [[Bug Bite (GoBots)]], [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]] and [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]] — appearing as "normal" Transformers ([[Bug Bite (G1)]], [[Burn Out (G1)]], [[Lift-Ticket (G1)]]). There's some heavy dispute over whether we should put them on the same page or split them out (e.g. "since the GoBots Bug Bite isn't ''originally'' from a G1 universe, he shouldn't go on the G1 Bug Bite page), so I thought we should probably have a centralised place to put together a comprehensive set of standards.

My take, personally, is that GoBots and Diaclone are *not* continuity families, they're their own properties that happen to cross over with Transformers, and so shouldn't be split on that basis. I feel that Burn Out and Lift-Ticket, regardless of them being portrayed as Diaclone mecha in their initial appearance, are the same basic concept as the likes of Road Rage and Tigertrack — "Transformers versions" of existing Diaclone toys and decoes. It helps that [[Spin-Out (G1)]] inherently blurs the lines, having first appeared as a "normal" Transformer ''before'' he was portrayed as a former Diaclone mech.

For the GoBots characters, I'd frankly be tempted to go even more radical and just merge ''all'' of them — put all the [[Cy-Kill (disambiguation)|Cy-Kill]] cameos on one page, like we do for other external property characters. Even in the edge cases like [[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]], there's the precedent of her actually being intended as just ''being'' the GoBot. It feels a lot simpler to me than the headache of having Bug Bite, the white Bumblebee who appeared in G1 stories, and Bug Bite, the ''other'' white Bumblebee who appeared in G1 stories, having separate pages on a technicality. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:57, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:Hard disagree on GoBots. By virtue of covering the Scioli comic in full, we have a GoBots continuity family to put them in. I say keep the ones who are explicitly GoBots at (GoBots), and put the ones who are Transformers (or ambiguous) at their respective continuity families. Basically, what we're doing for Bug Bite, do for all of them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:23, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:I don't agree on movie-Fracture in specific and the mass-merge of ''all'' GoBots-based characters in general. Fracture's a movie-universe character who premiered in a movie-based toyline and appeared in movie-timeline fiction. "The toy was originally conceived as" holds very little water there in light of all the rest of that. I'm not wild about merging characters from different continuity families (aka "major franchise umbrellas", the point of that divide was always less "fiction-detail based" and more "real-world Hasbro/Takara starting over based" as an organizational tool), as that leans heavily towards the Wikipedia style "just lump 'em all together" manner that... doesn't really work for our scope. There's SG Bug Bite and Crasher too, I don't think they should go under a giant singular page for the character concept.
: But ''in general'' I agree with keeping stuff like Lift-Ticket and Burn Out together because the distinction is really too nitpicky to be useful. If we get an EarthSpark Lift-Ticket who is a red Hoist-like bot, then they can go on a separate page because "new major franchise umbrella" gives a decent degree of separation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:25, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:: Oh, well, the SG GoBots are an obvious exception. If it's a "mirror universe" I feel like it should never share a page because the point is that it's the opposite.
:: That said, there are other nuances I admit I skimmed over — stuff like Wings Universe Cop-Tur, who's based on the original but is a secret genius and a good guy, I'm not sure he should be merged in. At the same time, though, splitting the Bug Bites feels disingenuous, and I'm not sure whether there's a good middle ground between "split 'em all" and "merge 'em all". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:44, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:::I also agree there isn't really a good middle ground. But here's the thing: If GoBots wasn't a factor and it was just G1 and Cyberverse, we wouldn't be having this conversation. At the end of the day, they're from another IP, but they're also genuine Transformers characters, and thus they should remain split like other Transformers characters. And that includes treating the genuine GoBot incarnations as separate entities. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:51, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:::I am, honestly, not sold either way on splitting/merging re: the "very distinctly the Tonka GoBots who originated from the Tonka GoBots franchise". I feel that there are '''''definitely''''' some bots that should not be merged with the Tonkas, by virtue of being from different continuity-families/hub-franchises (bots from the live action movies and Cyberverse, for example, should really stay separate). I'm less concerned about "in-fiction origin" because that's a clusterfuck all its own since 1984 best just left alone and we already disregard that for like Nebulans and stuff anyway, though I'd also argue that like, it should be taken into consideration the diff between an homage and an iteration (I'd argue ''Timelines'' Cop-Tur is the former and probably shouldn't be merged). But even just looking at them from the real-world staggered integration of the franchises, GoBots ARE a weird edge case (whaaat, something Scioli was involved in got weird? ''nnnoooOOOOOooooo'') and it kinda feels off to not treat them as a separate thing given their ultimate origins. But like, they are, functionally, "G1" characters as far as "how they were brought to TF" goes in the real world, and I'm not convinced that splitting out WFC Bug Bite is really a good idea or terribly helpful. So like, I dunno. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:06, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::::And then there's the ''very'' unique case of GoBots Stretch having been given a retroactive backstory of being born in the world of Transformers Animated before he crossed dimensions and became a GoBot. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 02:23, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:::::If anything, Stretch is a Transformer pretending to be a GoBot.
:::::The criteria that keep this wiki running and readable have always had some smudgy bits, and if you stare too long at any of them pretty soon all one sees is the smudge, not the dividing line or even the story itself. Cyberverse and Prime are each ''basically'' a retelling of G1, and if they didn't have a few features we've accepted as clear dividers from "real" G1, they could have gone within G1 just as much as the IDW comics have. The divisions are necessary to keep information from being a useless, unstructured, unnavigable mess; hopefully we can draw the lines in a way that comes to require the fewest exceptions later. '''My thoughts''': when there's a Bug Bite whose origin is explicitly "I'm not a Transformer, I'm hiding among them, creatures like myself find Transformers to be nauseating uncanny valley aliens," then that's a pretty extreme division, more extreme than many others we've been holding up for years without controversy, and should stay very much separate from any other Bug Bites who are just plain ol' white car Transformers. The various Cy-Kill cameos in G1 and Armada should stay separate, just because that's how we handle other hi-and-die cameos across firm storyline borders (Animated Overlord, SG Krok). I agreed at first with splitting the Burnouts/Lift-Tickets, but if it is really causing a huge dilemma I do not object to re-merging them. Each pair exists within the G1 storytelling universe. It is not essential that we build 2 different pages for G1 universe Lift-Tickets where one of them is a Diaclone mech and the other looks just like it and comes from someplace called Diaclone. We could paper that over with a "Note" explanation. The really important part is that both the Burn-Out and Lift-Ticket cases must get the same resolution. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 05:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:I vote for split. I regret ever pushing for merging similar concepts around the time of ''Ask Vector Prime'' because a decade ago this wouldn't have been a question, it would have been settled with "obvious they're different characters." [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:38, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:Strongly in favor of putting the Diaclones back together so long as they remain essentially G1 guys. Especially since we now have ''two nigh-identical Burn-Out pages that differ only by which sliver of fiction section they possess''. Moderately in favor of putting all the dumb Cy-Kill cameos together because, like, it's only moderately funny to split out Cy-Kill (Armada) on a technicality. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:47, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
:: I'm going to stay out of the Bugbite / Fracture question. I'm too involved on the creative side. I think Walky nails it about Burn-Out & Lift-Ticket. And probably the Cy-Kill cameos too. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 21:11, 29 July 2022 (EDT)

:I have to ask: if this is a concern, why did we split out the Cloud articles a month ago. Because they also are clearly designed to look like G1 characters, and aside from some minor changes in personality and dimension hopping stuff (which also applies to these three examples here), are near-identical in fiction to their Generation 1 counterparts. What makes them different from Bug Bite, Burn Out, and Lift-Ticket? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:29, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::Lead Cloud translator here. As we discussed in-depth at the time, the Cloud characters do nothing *but* dimension hop and frequently cross over with the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity and their own G1 incarnations, rendering them nigh unintelligible when buried in A-list G1 articles. The Cloud issue was one of logistics and readability, not one on the philosophy of intrinsic "G1-ness," as I believe was said at the time. I would also argue something on the scale of Cloud is a different discussion entirely from the current topic of merging two one-paragraph articles.

::On a most practical level re-merging a thoroughly deliberated and reasonably large scale split from a couple months ago just strikes me as kind of a waste of community resources.

::For those that missed it the impetus was translating the other 80-90% of the prose and the discussion can be found [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Splitting_Cloud_characters|here]]. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:40, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

Had a brainwave about a potential way to handle the GoBots characters—as a compromise between "treating them like full Transformers characters" and "treating them like external properties", use the GoBots page as a "hub" for the others. I've mocked up a couple of sandboxes for [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. Any thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:16, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:If we absolutely have to (which I still really don't agree with) I'd prefer this over full fledged merging. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:02, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:I think this is a good compromise. The important thing is that there's a clear delineation between the dimension-hopping GoBots and native Cybertronians, and I think this fits the bill. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:03, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
::I still don't like the idea of rolling in the ''Cyberverse'' Bug Bite or any other not-G1-franchise iterations on the GB character concepts (like movieverse Fracture), even in the proposed super-abridged-and-linked-to-main-article format. For the appearances within the franchise of TF-origin, sure, I think this works. Cy-Kill's multiverse of murder... ehn. I'm not really feeling strongly either way but like we got hi-then-die charcater micropages aplenty, I don't think Cy is something terribly unique to not get them. Like... we got a page for "the many deaths of Optimus Prime", I feel like "the many deaths of Cy-Kill" could probably stand to be its own thing if we REALLY wanted to hammer the point of how stupid and hack it is home. Which, come to think about it, I kinda DO. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:42, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
:::Ah, see, Fracture was something I was specifically thinking of here — I thought it would work to accomodate both the original intent and how she's been tied back to Crasher in <s>Jim's nonsense</s> fan-targeted media while still respecting the practical reality of Fracture as her own, movieverse character. That said, I do understand your reluctance, so if the majority is against this I'm not too fussed. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:22, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, it feels like "Bug Bite, the white Bumblebee" is its own Transformers thing at this point. He may have originated as a GoBots transplant (both in real life and in fiction), but that doesn't automatically make every iteration of Bug Bite a GoBot, any more than every subsequent iteration of Lockdown or Lugnut is considered an Animated character. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 04:34, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
::::I appreciate the work Riptide put into this and like the writing / presentation style employed... and I just still don't think it's necessary. Between disambigs and "You Look Familiar...", we already have ways to cope with characters who look alike across different continuities but who aren't the same character. Most of these transplanted GoBots are absolutely not the same characters as each other - most of the Cy-Kill cameos, Cyberverse Bug Bite. There is no need for us to build a new way to unite those cross-continuity characters when nothing unites them more than the "basic concepts" that we've kept separate on hundreds of other name / appearance reuses. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:43, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
::I adore this brain blast, over and above what I proposed below (as it actually accommodates, in Cy-Kill's case, say, the ''Armada/TransTech/Animated'' cameos), and think the fact that people on both sides of this polarising issue aren't immediately opposed to it makes it strike me as a really good compromise. I still would prefer the ''Diaclone'' pages to be merged with their G1 counterparts, but whether or not it's a full merge or just the "main article" structure here, the intro phrasing proposed with Cy-Kill and Bug-Bite is perfect in my opinion. The key thing for me is that, when people look up info on Cy-Kill or Burn Out, they still find a pointer to the relevant information at the exact point they'd expect it to be, and not only that, but they can chart the entire conceptual history of the character on one page (I know the disambigs theoretically do the same, but in practise Jo's approach is much more effective). Assuming the same policy isn't applied to ''Uprising'' appearances, I still think something should be done about those—but otherwise I'd be very happy with this. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:16, 1 August 2022 (EDT)

So as I understand it, the consensus is that Diaclone characters should share a page with their G1 counterparts, and that — at least for the moment — GoBot characters should be left as-is, with White Bumblebee's G1 adventures split between the GoBot and G1 pages? Would appreciate some more input before we begin implementing this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:09, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
:I still don't like the Diaclone thing but clearly I'm outvoted. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:48, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
:More or less. I'm fine with rolling G1 WFC Bug Bite in with the explicitly-GoBots one in the manner test-bedded above on the same grounds as the whole "Nebulan/Cybertronian" deal with Targetmaster gun-bots we've done forever; I think the proposed format both works with the way we've handled disparate depictions between different fictions within the same franchise chunk for a very long time now while noting the important real-world issues with these transplanted characters. And it's not like the combo page would be anywhere near big enough to make a split-out necessary. But I'm willing to table that for the moment while moving ahead with rolling the Diaclones back in. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
::I agree with this completely. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:11, 3 August 2022 (EDT)
:Diaclone characters should share pages with G1 counterparts who are also canonically said to be Diaclone-y. If we ever get a "Gobots Universe Bug Bite" that would be merged too - but just "white car Bug Bite" should not. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:21, 3 August 2022 (EDT)

==Proposal re: G1 pages==
I'm not expecting anything other than a hard "no" on this from the vast majority of editors, but a few people impelled me to post it, so here goes. In particular, I think this perspective is one held by many casual readers of the wiki. As I said over on [[Talk:Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burn Out's talk page]], I think both camps feel a sense of "''obviously'' these are (not) the same character", depending on whether they're coming from a strictly in-universe perspective or not. I want to put that whole discussion into an even broader perspective. Plus, I think the list of characters below is an interesting resource in its own right.

For ages, the wiki's had it so G1 appearances of characters originating in ''Robots in Disguise''—such as [[Sky-Byte (RID)]]—just get put on those pages. My understanding is that RID was considered something of a special case, because of how it was originally conceived as an in-continuity G1 thing, and remained such in Japanese continuity. For a less-prominent example, see also ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'', which similarly lists the IDW G1 appearances of [[Smolder (PCC)]] and [[Steamhammer (PCC)]] just on those pages. Again, this was a special case, because PCC was never concretely established as being a live-action movieverse thing or a G1 thing (which makes sense, because in Hasbro's eyes at the time, that wasn't a distinction that mattered to them).

There are other areas on the wiki that take a continuity-agnostic approach; I think it's just character pages that are handled so strictly. Check out [[Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version]]—which honestly ''is'' a character page in every way that matters—for a recently-made-relevant-again example. For many bigger-picture concept pages, a similar approach is used to great effect: [[Transformation]], [[Scanning]], [[Energon]], [[Protoform]], [[Spark]], [[Living metal]], [[Mini-Con]], [[Energon mutation]], just to grab a few random examples.

To draw attention to one last point, which I predict will resonate a lot with people who already agree with me and not at all with people who don't: any and all ''Beast Wars'' or ''Beast Machines'' original characters are exempt from this issue—despite, on a real-world level, there not really being any difference between those franchises and the likes of ''Armada'' or ''Animated''. It's just the lore connection that keeps it tethered, despite the wiki treating it as its ''own'' continuity family in basically every other way that matters.

My specific proposal is this: '''for characters originating ''outside of G1'', don't keep separate G1 pages.''' Treat those characters as we do Sky-Byte, ignoring the "continuity family" divide, and put the appearances on the page where they're most relevant. Here are the salient benefits of this approach:
*Have all the information on many popular post-G1 characters in the place where most casual readers would expect to look.
*Cut the Gordian knot of the GoBots/Diaclone debate.
*Finally ditch all those (BWU) pages consisting of a single sentence and a duplicated toy entry.
*Fewer redundant toy writeups which need to be maintained in parallel.
*Far, far fewer awkward paragraphs in Notes sections talking about "continuity transplants" like those are a real thing.

Here is a list of pages which I think would be affected, sorted by continuity, just from an hour or so of searching:
*'''''Diaclone''''': [[Lift-Ticket (G1)]], [[Burn Out (G1)]]
*'''''GoBots''''': [[Bug Bite (G1)]], [[Crasher (G1)]], [[Cy-Kill (G1)]], [[Leader-1 (G1)]], [[Rest-Q (G1)]], [[Cop-Tur (G1)]] (!)
*'''''Armada''''': [[Hot Shot (G1)]], [[Red Alert (IDW)]], [[Demolisher (G1)]], [[Tidal Wave (G1)]], [[Sideways (RM)]] (!), [[Treadshot (IDW)]]
*'''''Energon''''': [[Steam Hammer]], [[Doom-Lock (BWU)]], [[Avalon (BWU)]]
*'''''Cybertron''''': [[Override (BWU)]], [[Ransack (IDW)]], [[Wing Saber (BWU)]], [[Cannonball (G1)]], [[Signal Lancer (G1)]], [[Shortround (BWU)]]
*'''Movies''': [[Barricade (IDW)]], [[Black-Out]], [[Reckage]], [[Hatchet (BWU)]], [[Breacher (G1)]], [[Terradive (G1)]], [[Hailstorm (G1)]], [[Skipjack (BWU)]], [[Sea Spray (BWU)]], [[Fearswoop (BWU)]], [[Depthcharge (BWU)]], [[Rav (BWU)]], [[Evac (BWU)]], [[Drydock (BWU)]], [[Photon (BWU)]]
*'''''Animated''''': [[Bulkhead (G1)]] (!), [[Lugnut (TF 2010)]], [[Lockdown (G1)]], [[Slipstream (G1)]] (!), [[Oil Slick (G1)]], [[Lightbright (G1)]], [[Lickety-Split (G1)]]
*'''''TransTech''''': [[Ego (BWU)]]
*'''''War for Cybertron''''': [[Contrail (BWU)]], [[Sigil (BWU)]], [[Halogen (G1)]], [[Gauntlet (BWU)]]
*'''''Prime''''': [[Knock Out (G1)]], [[Breakdown (IDW)]], [[Airachnid (G1)]], [[Predaking (Kingdom)]], [[Ser-Ket (BWU)]], [[Rot Gut (BWU)]], [[Twinstrike (BWU)]], [[Gaidora (BWU)]], [[Budora (BWU)]], [[Darksteel (BWU)]], [[Vertebreak (BWU)]], [[Grimwing (BWU)]], [[Blackbeak (BWU)]], [[Judora (BWU)]]
*'''''Rescue Bots''''': [[Medix (G1)]]
*'''''Robots in Disguise''''': [[Strongarm (G1)]], [[Thunderhoof (BWU)]], [[Bisk (BWU)]], [[Paralon (BWU)]], [[Quillfire (BWU)]], [[Scatterspike (G1)]], [[Ped (BWU)]], [[Psychobat (BWU)]], [[Headlock (G1)]], [[Springload (BWU)]], [[Transit (G1)]], [[Fracture (Cybertron)]], [[Snitch (BWU)]], [[Razorgrille (BWU)]]
*'''''Cyberverse''''': [[Shadow Striker (G1)]], [[Croaton (G1)]], [[Meteorfire (G1)]], [[Wildwheel (G1)]]
*'''''Transformers Online''''': [[Doomwings (G1)]], [[Ursa Major (G1)]], [[Astral Knight (BWU)]], [[Psychic Shortstop (BWU)]], [[Wrath Thunder (BWU)]], [[Deep Blue (BWU)]]
*'''Mini-Cons''': (deep breath) [[Synapse (BWU)]], [[Black Out]], [[Twirl (G1)]], [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], [[Sky Blast (G1)]], [[Sureshock (G1)]], [[Flat-Out (BWU)]], [[Six-Speed (BWU)]], [[Zapmaster (BWU)]], [[Crumplezone (BWU)]], [[Cannon (BWU)]], [[Bulge (BWU)]], [[Bomb (BWU)]], [[Shot (BWU)]], [[Crack (BWU)]], [[Thunderblast (BWU)]], [[Wreckage (BWU)]], [[Bonecrusher (BWU)]], [[Broadside (BWU)]], [[Tankor (BWU)]], [[Caliburn (BWU)]], [[Torque (BWU)]], [[Bilge (BWU)]], [[Search (BWU)]], [[Refute (BWU)]], [[Kingbolt (BWU)]], [[Starcatcher (BWU)]], [[Clench (BWU)]], [[Run-Over (BWU)]], [[Deepdive (BWU)]], [[Astro-Sinker (BWU)]], [[Snow Cat (BWU)]], [[Draft (BWU)]], [[Screw (BWU)]], [[Aston (BWU)]] (deep sigh)
*'''Other''': [[Terrastar (BWU)]], [[Hyperborea (BWU)]], [[Alchemor (BWU)]], [[Minion of Unicron (BWU)]]
I assuredly missed some, so feel free to edit the lists above to add any other characters that would be affected by this proposal which are omitted!

Again, the vast majority of these are from ''Beast Wars Uprising'', which does have some weird lingering cases that would need further individual discussion, I think: [[Clobber (BWU)]], [[Apex (BWU)]], [[Offshoot (BWU)]], [[Cybaxx (BWU)]], [[Overbite (BWU)]], and [[Terrorcon (BWU)]]. But for the most part, I really don't see any reason why there should be all these tiny nothing pages; the only reason all those Mini-Cons were not called Mini-Cons is that in the ''Uprising'' universe, Mini-Cons are called Micromasters instead (which is the lore equivalent of "[[Barricade (G1)]] doesn't look like he's made of knives"). This is even ''less'' an irreconcilable lore detail than, for example, the organic/robotic split for Targetmasters and the like. My main goal with sharing this is to revisit the ''Uprising'' policy, because from where I'm sitting, it's resulted in exactly the same horribly inconvenient setup as the ''Diaclone'' stuff. A different, specific policy there would deal with most of the examples above, and I'd be very happy; what I've suggested is just a one-size-fits-all policy.

The weirdest victim of this stated policy, I think, is that of [[Bulkhead (G1)]], who technically originated with Animated, but whose appearances in G1 media have all drawn specifically from the ''Prime'' version. [[Slipstream (G1)]] is in a similar situation. I guess my proposal here would be to actually split the G1 content across the various pages: [[Slipstream (Animated)]], [[Slipstream (WFC)]] and [[Slipstream (Cyberverse)]], depending on which specific version is being depicted. That means all of the Bulkhead appearances would actually go on the ''Prime'' page. I really don't feel strongly on this detail, though. [[Cop-Tur (G1)]], as mentioned in the above discussion, is another edge case. One more strange case ''not'' listed above is that of [[Emissary (IDW)]], who homages the ''Robots in Disguise'' character but genuinely has what I'd consider to be a radically different portrayal, likely inspired as much by the ''Titans Return'' figure as anything.

To be clear, I consider G1 a special case because of how it's a catch-all label for anything that isn't Hasbro's newest ground-up reboot du jour. Like it or not, G1 usually doesn't actually mean "G1" any more, it just means ''Transformers''. I absolutely wouldn't want to start merging anything from other continuity families—that way pure madness lies. But I think this proposal has clear-cut criteria for inclusion, and would feel more consistent with other areas of existing wiki policy. To give a specific, relevant example: I don't think [[Fracture (Movie)]]'s appearances should be folded onto her merged ''GoBots'' page as some have suggested, ''but'' I do think her toy writeup should be on both without any "blah blah repurposed" hedging, and likewise for the other movieverse characters based on redecos designed by [[Joe Kyde]] contemporaneously with Classics and Universe with specific G1 characters (mostly Micromasters) in mind, some of which were even intended to be released as part of the ''Universe'' toyline. These being: [[Fracture (Movie)]], [[Big Daddy (Movie)]], [[Jolt (Movie)]], [[Grindcore (Movie)]], [[Breakaway (Movie)]], and [[Crankcase (Movie)]]. [[Mudflap (Movie)]] and [[Inferno (Movie)]] are basically the exact same but nobody ever talks about that.

Finally, I think [[Gigatron (G1)]]/[[Overlord (G1)]], [[Zaptrap]]/[[Kuwagatrer]], and [[Rotorbolt (Timelines)]]/[[Skyklik]]/[[Fumes]] should prrrooobably be revisited? In the former two cases, they exist due to niche media establishing them as separate individuals within the same continuity, but we already have precedent for dealing with that—see [[Hot Shot (G1)]]. I will concede that the Rotorbolt situation is quite funny.

I understand that the wiki is structured the way it is for good reasons, but the post-[[Evergreen]] state of the franchise is one where most writers are plucking characters from anywhere in the franchise's history without any significant changes to their depiction. The existing policy will only become more cumbersome as time goes on, in my eyes—I know for many editors, the list of pages above is a horrible scary list of Exceptions, but from where I'm sitting, they feel more like exceptions as they already stand? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 07:25, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:As someone who is basically sympathetic to your goals and not knee-jerk opposed to the idea, this:
:::"Slipstream (G1) is in a similar situation. I guess my proposal here would be to actually split the G1 content across the various pages: Slipstream (Animated), Slipstream (WFC) and Slipstream (Cyberverse), depending on which specific version is being depicted."
:is the worst thing I've ever read. Just, why? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 08:14, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::I was mostly being glib, I don't have a good answer there! Just wanted to draw attention to the fact that it ''would'' be a problem with the proposal. It's also been pointed out that all of [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]]'s appearances are visually based on the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' toy! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:56, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:Absolutely not. There's so much here that's based on false assumptions/incorrect information that I absolutely refuse to take any of this seriously. Concepts are on the same page because they are just that: concepts. There's so much to pick apart here but because I have important things to do, I'll just say that right now, the only reason why there was ''ever'' any confusion over Power Core Combiners is because fans took behind the scenes information from the company overly literally. You actually look at the one piece of information about the toyline (the brief history provided directly by Hasbro the club) and it makes it abundantly clear that it was always meant to be movieverse; I even argued back at the time about Smoulder and Steamhammer being put on that page, and the only reason why it's still that way is because the argument just fizzled out. And once again, I really have to ask: why the hell are we pushing forward merges based on "vibes" when we still keep the Sideways' (someone who is actually said in fiction to all be the same guy) apart based on moronic, petty reasons? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:01, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:Yeah, no, sorry, I think this is ultimately unhelpful and going to cause more accessibility issues than it solves. "The wiki sorts the brand into broad franchise-based chunks (G1/BW, UT, movie, etc), and characters are split up by which of those chunks they appeared in" is perhaps a little confusing to new readers, but it's ultimately fairly self-consistent and easy to navigate once you understand the basic concept; "The wiki sorts the brand into broad franchise-based chunks (G1/BW, UT, movie, etc), and characters are split up by which of those chunks they appeared in, with the exception of RID01 which shares its pages with G1, and any latter-day characters imported into G1, which go on the pages of their non-G1 incarnations" is very confusing and requires you to be deep in the sauce to understand which characters are and are not exceptions to the rule. I obviously think that flexibility of the system is a good thing — the RID/G1 merge, while less than ideal, is definitely the best way to solve a very unintuitive issue — but the more holes we poke in the tower the closer it comes to collapsing, if you catch my drift.
:Ultimately I think the occasional silliness of "Shadow Striker (G1) who is identical to Shadow Striker (Cyberverse)" and such is the price we pay for having any structure whatsoever. The more we make exceptions on the basis of ultimately arbitrary "well this one's SO similar" the less consistent the wiki overall gets, and the harder it gets to navigate. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:40, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::Basically, this. And I don't even think that drawing the franchise-based chunk distinction is all that confusing given I think most people grok the idea that characters will pop up across sub-fictions of major multi-media franchises with varying levels of similarity to prior incarnations that are still "oh, it's a wholly separate storyline, okay". That's just how these things ''do''. (and like "multiverse" has kinda become a ''thing'' in other franchises the last several years) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 10:00, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

:"We've always put RID guys appearing in G1 as still being the RID character, look at Sky Byte" - what other examples make this an "always"? There WERE two Sky Byte pages, for years. We only stopped having a Sky-Byte (G2) when its character model in the IDW G1 comic was explicitly based off the new T30 toy sculpt which wound up with like half of these separate articles duplicating each other. It was argued on that talk page for a long while. The only other case I can think of at all is Gigatron (G1), and we ''don't'' treat him like Megatron (RID).
:"We treat BW as a continuity family like Armada, it looks like we are showing favoritism to them" - we treat it like a franchise within G1, which is what it is. And we disambig by franchise, not by continuity family. "Chase (RB)", not "Chase (Aligned)" or "Chase (Prime)". This was one of the concerns I raised last year when we turned Victory, Masterforce et al into G1 because they had no separate box branding of their own, wait it turned out they did, welp whattaya gonna do, no backsies.
:'''Last but MOST''', I'd say that, yes, "lore connections" mean a great deal here, it is a feature not a bug. This is a fiction-centric wiki as surely as it's an English-centric one. We put character writeups first, above the toys. We give the toys the character names and say "his stickers", not "its stickers" and talk about how it represents the character, not about how many micrograms of silicon it contains. Separating characters because they come from different storyline eras / offerings is entirely normal and reasonable for us. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:43, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
::I don't disagree in general, but G1/IDW Gigatron DOES share a page with RID Megatron. [[Gigatron (G1)]] is the Overlord repurpose. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:49, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
:::Oof. Don't know why I clearly remembered them as being separate, but in any case I regret the error. Thank you.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:14, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
There's no way to organize something like this place without something somewhere seeming arbitrary. I think the existing structure is arbitrary in the best way that makes the most sense, and trying to "mitigate" that arbitrariness just creates different arbitrariness. A lot of this "but what if we redid all this to fix this particular thing" shuffling just relitigates why we already do the stuff we already do. so, like: no --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 09:54, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

== The Discord ==

Alright, seriously, we need to talk about this. It is beyond frustrating that a greater than 50% chunk of discussion about what big edits will happen on the wiki are happening on an app that people either aren't on or (in my case) aren't allowed on. I was told it was going to just to get voices onto things but that clearly isn't how it's working out. We need either some sort of archival dump of all these posts or something because I'm tired of getting into arguments where half the responses haven't even happened on the main site itself. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:45, 17 August 2022 (EDT)
: I think you're drastically overestimating how much discussion about big edits is happening on the Discord. No actual big decisions are getting made there, and we make it a point to repeatedly remind people that discussion for major changes needs to happen here before anything gets decided. But we also can't stop anyone from simply talking about things there the same way we couldn't stop discussion on the AllSpark thread when that was a thing, and having a public log of discussions from the editing channel is both infeasible and frankly unnecessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:09, 17 August 2022 (EDT)

==Designer bylines on toy writeups==

As those of us who have been tuning in to the [[Hasbro Pulse#Livestreams|Hasbro Pulse livestreams]] have no doubt noticed, one side effect of the unprecedented transparency of the current team on the ''Generations'' franchise is that we are now pretty consistently being blasted with a fire hose of toy designer credits. While there's been a scramble to record them on the designers' pages as best we can, this rapidly growing body of information is not doing the average reader a whole lot of good sequestered away on pages that require them to already know the designers by name. As such, I've put together a template to act as a designer byline for relevant toy write-ups, largely following the formatting of our existing voice actor template.

Documentation for the prototype template which I've named '''<nowiki>{{toydesigner}}</nowiki>''' can be found here:

*[[:Template:Toydesigner-Prototype]]

And a variety of examples of implementation can be found here:

*[[User:AzimuthAcolyte/Sandbox/Toy credits demo]]

Is this something we would be interested in implementing?

Questions, concerns, suggestions etc are welcome. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 22 August 2022 (EDT)

:I support adding this template, it's valid information and helps put names and faces in a historically anonymous industry due to the lack of credits in the products themselves.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:38, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::I think this is a great idea. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
:::I really like it. The only possible negative is that unless a whole bunch of people are very dedicated to this (or one brave soul is ''extremely'' dedicated to it) we might end up seeing it only appear on a small handful of toy entries and most will never feature it. I vote for going ahead with it regardless.
:::While we are addressing the "designer credits" issue, can we also please find a better phrase to use on the designer pages than "Toys So-and-so is known to have had a hand in creating"? It's just so overwrought. I think "Design Team Credits Include:" gets the point across much more naturally.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:54, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::::This is a fair point. Maybe something as blunt as "Known Design Work" mirroring the "Published Works" thing we use for writers/artists? -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:17, 25 August 2022 (EDT)
:Looks good to me. Hope we can scrounge together sources and lists for older design teams too. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 15:05, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
::I can't see any reason not to do this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:05, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not a toy person, but that looks really cool! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:23, 22 August 2022 (EDT)
Oh wow, I'm blown away by the universally positive reception here! If there are no concerns in the next few days I guess I'll get started rolling this out. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:17, 25 August 2022 (EDT)
:Alrighty it's been a fair bit with no further concerns, so I have pushed the template live to [[:Template:Toydesigner]] and will begin implementing it as I have time. Any and all help is appreciated, as this will of course be a huge job. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:13, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

== Wiki Toy Photo Quality Standards ==
So we know (and had long suspected anyway) that Hasbro designers are sometimes pulling Wiki photos for reference. That's great, but we've got some toy photography on here that's a good bit off from what the figures look like in reality for one reason or another. Is there any way to flag shots that are out of whack so that they might get tweaked or replaced? This issue comes to mind since, while I've been here more or less since the Wiki started, I don't recall there being a formal set of standards for photos since it just wasn't really a big deal before now. Oversaturation is my main complaint, since one user a long while ago was going through, taking existing shots into Photoshop and oversaturating the hell out of them without regard to the actual toy, and I've noticed some updated photography like [[Prowl (Magnaboss)]] that does basically the same. It's a larger photo, but that Prowl is definitely not blazing yellow in person. Apologies in advance and please disregard if this has already been discussed elsewhere or before.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 16:10, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
:For the record, my lighting set up is very warm, hence why Prowl's colours appear so bright. I haven't figured out the right balance in Photoshop to get the colours of figures to look spot on so figures either appear too bright or too dull in the finished product. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:30, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
::Oh, I'm not intending to put you on the spot, that's just the first example I had on hand of a wider issue that we probably need to start being careful about since it appears to be (hilariously) affecting actual figures now, like Titans Return PMOP or Legacy Iguanus. When it was the one guy tweaking things to be inaccurate "because it looked better", I could follow him and revert stuff, but I can't when there's nothing to revert in most cases.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 18:38, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
::I recommend ring lights, you can get some pretty cheap, they've good at spreading light out rather than heavy-focus, and they have adjustable brightness and warm/cool light settings: use "cool" (aka white/blue-tinted). Even before I got ring lights, I used "cool" light bulbs in the lamps. The problem is these are nowhere as common as the "normal" yellow-tinted bulbs, thus, go with the ring lights.
::As for "standards"... well, good luck with that. Every camera's a little different. Every MONITOR is a little different. Hell, I have a double-monitor setup with different models and they have small but distinct differences in brightness & etc; honestly I'm good with it since it lets me check how things may look to different people. But I think maybe a tag for photos that we are CERTAIN are too far off from final product (be they user-made or stock images) may not be a bad idea. Assuming we notice. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:44, 24 August 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, a tag we can throw on to a photo just to make it at least visible that it's incorrect would be useful. And would probably prompt a deco designer to gather some secondary reference material, assuming the tag's obvious. I like the idea.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] ([[User talk:MCRG|talk]]) 16:29, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:::I've noticed that the quality of the UT stuff in the toys section flunctuates greatly-- for example, ML Starscream still uses the guidebook picture, and Superlink ver of the combining Optimus downright doesn't exist. I've started to collect UT toys since Hasbro has been updating UT stuff with more commitment and I have 0 faith in them doing it right, and most of the stuff I've gotten are the JP versions. For minor alterations like ML/ Armada Megs, is it worth uploading a completely new picture of ML Megatron onto his page? Another issue worth regarding discussing is "cartoon accuracy". Whilst Hasbro is indeed working on making more accurate figures, they obviously aren't 100% accurate, like 86 starscream using the commonly accepted G1 logo instead of the sunbow accurate one with the spike in the middle, and even from a sculpt and proportional standppint the ER mold is far from accurate compared to the sunbow model, let alone MP52. I actually cleaned up the page for TM2 Megatron because he deviates pretty heavily if you compare the CG model to the final toy, and changed the claim that Skids is "toon" accurate as he is blantently based on the original toy in deco. The same goes for Starscream, aside from the forearms and forehead hes blatently based on the T30 toy. I also had to edit that bit --[[User: Pixelmaster|Pixelmaster]] 3:31 HKT

==Reconsolidating some of our pages==
This is something I've been thinking about for a while, but I'd like to propose re-merging some of our excessively split articles back into something more manageable. It seems like that once a page is split out, a) we get a lot less editorial oversight, as the recent toy page trimming has revealed, b), stuff does not get updated nearly as often as they would be on their respective mainpages, and c) it makes information harder to find by pushing it behind a subpage that's not readily accessible.

Obviously I understand that splits are necessary for the really long pages like [[Optimus Prime (G1)]], [[Megatron (G1)]], and soforth, but when you get down to like, [[Mirage (G1)]] or [[Hound (G1)]] or [[Hot Shot (Armada)]], there's barely anything of any significance on their main pages beyond Dreamwave or the odd IDW cameo. Are, for instance, [[Ravage (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ravage]]'s Marvel adventures that major that they can't fit into the main page? Are [[Hook (G1)/toys|Hook]] or [[Warpath (G1)#Toys|Warpath]] really that inundated with toys that they need their own subpage? If it's a problem of just ''length'', then a lot of the subpaged articles or mainpage stuff like the storybooks could just be trimmed down into something more manageable—as I did with G1 Cliffjumper's Marvel section earlier this year. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 17:00, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
:I 100% agree with this. --[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:04, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
: Fully in favour. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:20, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
: Sub-pages should, on their own, be significantly sizable pages to justify making readers link-jump. A dozen toys does not strike me as remotely enough to justify a subpage split. Being ''in'' a major long-running fiction but mostly having appearances in a minority of installments that can be summed up in two sentences doesn't justify a split. New editing tools are fun and all, but just 'cuz you gotta new hammer doesn't mean you have to go hunting for anything that looks vaguely nail-like. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 29 August 2022 (EDT)

== Incoming maintenance ==

Just a heads up, our host is going to be doing some maintenance in about an hour that may cause problems with the site, so if you have trouble reaching it and therefore cannot read this message, that's what it is. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:11, 23 November 2022 (EST)

== Foreign names ==

A dispute came up recently on the [[Megatron (ES)]] page. User:Kiké Prime has been providing Hungarian names for all the characters, but this one apparently is just "Megatron". Cyberlink420 removed it. I disputed it, pointing out that not listing it leaves the implication that we do not know the name of the character in the language. Despite having my reversion again reverted, I still find deliberately leaving blanks in our name lists odd. I am thus bringing the matter here for further discussion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:16, 5 December 2022 (EST)
:My understanding has always been that we only add foreign names if they are different from the English name. Per pages like [[Megatron (G1)]], this includes examples where the name is the same, but is spelled with a diacritic or using a different alphabet. So "Megatron" wouldn't be different enough to justify inclusion, but examples like Mégatron, Megatrón, Мегатрон and メガトロン would. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:10, 5 December 2022 (EST)

== Nonbinary Character Category ==

So, we now have another nonbinary character (who actually used their pronouns during the media no less), [[Nightshade (ES)|Nightshade]] from [[Earthspark]] (Nightshade at time of posting doesn't have a page yet)! The other fully for certain fully intentional one is [[Screwball]] from [[Beast Wars Uprising]] while [[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)|Acid Storm]] was at least an out of media by writer retcon of animation, and [[Overlord_(G1)#Ask_Vector_Prime|Overlord's]] gender is somewhat nebulous on where that fits beyond being gender expansive due to being [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#December 23, 2015|"what some would call genderfluid"]] but that at least puts us at three. Given that we have a trans category now we thought it best to at this point suggestion a nonbinary category for the sake of users (including gender expansive people) easily finding nonbinary characters on here. Obviously adding Nightshade will have to wait until they have a page but any thoughts on this yea or nay? [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 18:28, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:I forgot about Screwball. I think with three confirmed examples, even without the edge case of Overlord, that's probably enough to justify one. Care will have to be taken, however, to only include confirmed examples and not use it as a dumping ground for any character whose gender has never been explicitly identified. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:37, 8 December 2022 (EST)
::Authorial intent and all, but I can say that if I had the option to go back and rewrite it I would have used the term non binary for Overlord. I feel like Acid Storm is more of an edge case; it’s what one person said on their account to justify it. Whenever Acid Storm actually says something they’re animated with a female face; it’s not done at random.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:47, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:::Acid Storm changes from masculine male to feminine female and back. Gender-fluid, sure, but definitely non-binary? As for Overlord, in the Legends manga Mega gives Overlord a female-presenting face - is there a pronoun change during that time? Would we have more candidates for inclusion in a Gender-fluid category first? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:17, 8 December 2022 (EST)
:::::Thank for the notes folks, that does help to piece this together! Just want to note that a pronoun change is not necessary for a gender being experienced in fluidity to be the one expressed or what have you, so unless the Legends manga actually has some sort of statement about Overlord's fluidity that kind of puts us back with an umbrella term of nonbinary (which we are unsure as not having read the Legends manga if that would work for that Overlord so we can't speak to where/if Overlord falls under gender expansiveness beyond the fact that Overlord's presentation changes depending on the binary bond partner right?). Acid Storm is an edge case yes but if we do count the edge case that they are we think it is worth noting that for Acid Storm what Catt said was specifically that changing expression is just something they do, and "any pronouns" work for Acid Storm, no statement about the binary. Of course, we only see two faces which are the two different Seeker faces that were otherwise delineated by gender, but at this point we're getting into the opt-in thing of 'x person is genderfluid and thus considers themself nonbinary' or 'z person is genderfluid and only considers themself as under the multigender umbrella'. Which we don't have detail on really if Acid Storm is genderfluid as how they know themselves right? Because that's just a thing that was written in the Female Transformers page because of (no blame being given, it's understandable) the user finding that to be the term that fit best? Feel like we've ended up just pointing out an need for just a gender expansive category instead but ah well. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 21:46, 1 January 2023 (EST)
::::::We seem to have killed this with a non-solution for the nonbinary category by pointing out that gender expansive is more certain than saying genderfluid. If we count Nightshade, Overlord, and Screwball, is that a go on nonbinary, or should we just have a gender expansive category at this point that would also be one trans characters use? For people wondering what gender expansive means you can find a definition here https://www.diversitystyleguide.com/glossary/gender-expansive/ https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/08/gender-expansive-mean/ [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 23:18, 6 February 2023 (EST)
:::::::Respectfully, I think needing to invoke a glossary suggests the term is so little-used in common parlance that it would not be useful for our needs and style. We don't have a category tag at the bottom of a bunch of BW characters saying "tetrapods" or "perissodactyls" (we ''do'' talk like that on [[Popular beast alternate modes]], maybe a grouping ''page'' would be a better approach? Just a thought...). If we are looking for a category tag I think it would be better to find the term that unambiguously covers the largest number of candidates, without a need to rely on edge cases, maintaining both accuracy and readability. I see three characters that could sensibly go in a Gender-fluid tag, one that could go in a Non-binary tag (meaning we wouldn't make the latter). We may be facing a case where there are few enough disparate examples that there isn't one single category tag that usefully unites them. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:55, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::::::::With the most recent block of EarthSpark episodes having further explored Nightshade's character and introduced a new nonbinary character in the form of Sam (this also saw the term nonbinary used in the show for the first time), we have been discussing the topic of introducing a Nonbinary characters category on the Discord. Doing some research, AVP also confirmed the Tigerhawk of Primax 496.22 Alpha (the Beast Wars cartoon continuity) to be nonbinary, so that's another character to justify that category. It's been suggested by an expert on the matter that we could introduce a "Gender expansive characters" category as an umbrella category, with Genderfluid characters, Nonbinary characters, and Transgender characters existing as subcategories as a way of future-proofing our coverage of gender expansive characters, while also ensuring we don't lump every gender expansive character together into a single broad category and hopefully making these concepts easier to navigate for casual readers. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 17:26, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::In sequence you replied to my post of Feb 7 but seem to have side-stepped the part where I questioned the usefulness of a category tag that will not be widely understood. Also, creating such a category exactly ''is'' "lumping them all together into a single broad category." So is that approach desirable or not? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:43, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::: They said the word nonbinary in the show. In a show full of nonbinary rep. And then nonbinary characters exists outside of that show, and it would not be a dangerous bet to expect this to continue. But people are born with an innate understanding of what an Alpha Primax 9384u743 is, or Transmetals, or Powermasters, but not what a nonbinary person is so yeah maybe we are going too far on this website for nerds who want to learn more about things related to Transformers (like nonbinary characters). We have a category called council members. Literally for any character who has served on any council. I did not understand what "council members" actually refered to before I clicked on it, assumed it was more specific than it was, but in fact it took me two seconds to figure it out. A non-binary category and/or gender-expansive category would surely be the same. And as Archforce says, make these concepts easier to navigate. Or if that was too long, what Walky said. Seriously. You also appear to misunderstand what is meant by lumping together. Because putting all non-binary people in a non-binary category is accurate, and is something I and at least some others want, putting all non-binary people on a transgender page would be a misrepresentative "all of these are the same thing right?". Gender-expansive on the other hand comes from someone familiar with the matter, and as a non-binary person myself, as someone who has researched gender representation in media at an honours level (to flex some credentials that yeah I could be making up), I agree with what is being said on the Discord. Gender expansive as an umbrella provides the room to not lump everyone together while recognising yeah there is something shared in any act of gender that is not one of cisgender conformity. Having transgender and nonbinary characters on the same page while called out as two seperate subcategories I again think helps casual readers navigate based on this. [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 18:40, 4 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::Not using the best useful terms because they're not understood by enough people is extremely self-defeating. I reject that line of thinking. (also, like, c'mon, the first complete article for this wiki was gaddang Robot-Master, not Optimus Prime, so I think we can say the words "gender expansive" even if someone hasn't heard of them) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:49, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::Thank you all for the discussion! To clarify regarding aesthetics (because gender is aesthetics, we can give recommendations on stuff to read re that), the term gender expansive does not in fact cover everybody, merely all the bots we're talking about it in this instance and likely future unless we get canon transformers fiction that actually uses a variable alien aesthetic system that isn't gender but is something similar. To put this another way: not all human societies' aesthetic category concepts and formulation of individual and collective context for self such as pronouns, names, expressions, (to use Leslie Feinberg's words for navigating transness and gender itself, the 'poetics,' not just construction) etc. used or uses those in a way that neatly fits modern Western gender constructs with a large number of examples both from outside Europe and within it. In a similar vein some xeno aesthetic spectrum folks (like some of ourselves, and yes we're getting very obscure here the gender parallel is xenogender) and speculative fiction/sci-fi about aliens live or navigates the idea of aesthetic structures that are not gender at all but merely overlap or parallel.
:::::::::::Transformers fiction has really only touched on the subject of the alien aspect of the bots' gender or lack thereof when trying to portray that something is there by e.g.; parallel with the embodying and living of their various modes such as when Lodestar speaks to having weapon retrofit dysphoria in the 2021 annual (yes, the 'embodying and living' is something we're borrowing from Gayle Salamon on how she frames gender), their unique histories, the December 23rd 2015 AVP gender answer having a note about continuities where the concept of gender is barely relevant, and possibly that time 'gal' got put in quotations (it's still unclear what Maggs meant by that but that's okay). So rest assured that while gender expansive is a broad category- it only future proofs us until alien terminology or narrative that is clearly shown in replacement of when gender would otherwise be used in a story actually happens in canon. Which would be incredibly exciting, but isn't where we are right now. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 19:11, 4 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::But we are nonetheless at a special point in time in the transformations of transformers, that the categories genderfluid, nonbinary, and gender expansive would be useful for. <3 [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 19:15, 4 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::::Gosh that felt good to dedicating an afternoon to doing, thank you for the help! We feel that [[Editor|Chief]] ought to be included in the gender expansive category, and given the entry regarding Tigerhawk that was mentioned here, Spittor arguably also could be [[Source:Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook#May_23.2C_2015|"In some universes where Spittor scans an organic alternate mode, his biological system conforms to female while his Cybertronian gender identity is male."]]. Chief seems fairly obvious? RE Spittor where his situation could be argued to break down is the cybertronian understanding of gender maybe not matching gender and anatomy as framed by humans but then that in itself still qualifies. [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 20:32, 5 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::: *shrugs* maybe the latter re Spittor and similar situations is just something to note in an eventual article rather than to throw in the category itself [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 20:45, 5 March 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::::I'm gonna say that I'm for Editor while Spittor is ultimately a way of just saying that his alt-mode is a female frog even though he's male. Ala Tigatron in the cartoon, Waspinator, etc. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:57, 5 March 2023 (EST)
::::::::::::::Thank you, that helps clarify things! :3 [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 21:47, 5 March 2023 (EST)

== Adding an informative table to each character page ==
I was thinking about it since it's striking.. lack.. There should be a way to tell people in which and how many episodes/issues/movies each character appears in the continuity they belong to, their debut episode/issue movie, what aliases they have had and nicknames they were given by other characters, a more centered area for the voice or live actors, a link to their gallery pages(if they have any) and one to their disambiguation pages etc. The kind of information that one would prefer to find with greater ease, especially if they aren't members. And talking about their appearances, that should prove quite useful for future page edits, since we'll know exactly where to look especially when it's about latecomers or characters that don't appear on a regular basis. I just think it'd be useful. [[User:Darthrone|Darthrone]] ([[User talk:Darthrone|talk]]) 15:44, 2 February 2023 (EST)
:This kind of infobox was discussed at the very earliest days of this wiki, and it was decided that there was just way, way too much information for it to work... and this was in 2006, BEFORE the franchise exploded. TF is such a fragmented kludge of fictions from multiple sources and creators spanning 40 years that any major character would end up with one ultra-massive thing of dubious use (can't say I see the value in a "number of appearances" tally, aside from the headache of keeping that accurate over time and arguing "what counts"), or a billion splintered ones spread across the page for the different fictions. And "nicknames" is always a minefield as those tend to turn into a massive list of "someone called them this once" which is... not helpful. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:46, 2 February 2023 (EST)
::Even if it had been a day-1 thing, I don't see how this is more informative than our current style. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:58, 2 February 2023 (EST)
:::I'm for infoboxes, but the information you're asking for is far too abstract and meaningless in this franchise. (We are absolutely not doing "nicknames". No.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:09, 2 February 2023 (EST)

==The (BWU) tag==
I understand the reasons why [[#Proposal re: G1 pages|my previous proposal]] regarding the proliferation of (G1) pages for random newer characters was soundly rejected. However, my main motivation for raising it was that I find the huge quantity of (BWU) pages for "repurposed" Mini-Cons and bestial Transformers to be reader-unfriendly, so I wanted to make a case for making an exception for ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' cameos. ''Uprising'' was an obscure barely-canon multi-continuity-drifting web serial which we are very unlikely to get further instalments of, and most of the relevant characters are similarly very deep pulls who will assuredly not be appearing again in future stories, and who will otherwise be stuck with tiny stub-pages forever. Most of these are Mini-Cons (here Micromasters) or bestial Transformers (here Protoformers), with a few boats or Constructicons from "[[Derailment]]". In many cases, I perceive ''Uprising'' as having tried to give these toys a hint of fiction where previously they had none at all, much like [[Ask Vector Prime]] before it. It's a very different phenomenon to most so-called "continuity transplants" we've seen in other series (such as with, say, [[Hot Shot (G1)]]), which are instead rooted in the popularity of those characters.

I think the problem here is that strictly speaking ''Uprising'' is a "Primax" continuity, sure, but it lifts dozens of characters (let alone concepts) unchanged from later stories. Slavishly hewing to that label when it's such an intertextual melting pot has resulted in this unfriendly setup. It feels like a fair decision made at the time (was [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive64#Derailment & Uprising pages|this discussion]] the one?) but in my opinion the wiki's policy kinda fails here. If we get rid of the (BWU) tag, the (G1) back-ports remaining (a minority!) will be for more significant characters, often adapted more radically. Here's the list of tiny pages we could be rid of, just like that:

*'''''Energon''''': [[Steam Hammer]], [[Doom-Lock (BWU)]], [[Avalon (BWU)]]
*'''''Cybertron''''': [[Wing Saber (BWU)]], [[Shortround (BWU)]]
*'''Movies''': [[Reckage]], [[Hatchet (BWU)]], [[Skipjack (BWU)]], [[Sea Spray (BWU)]], [[Fearswoop (BWU)]], [[Depthcharge (BWU)]], [[Rav (BWU)]], [[Evac (BWU)]], [[Drydock (BWU)]], [[Photon (BWU)]]
*'''''TransTech''''': [[Ego (BWU)]]
*'''''War for Cybertron''''': [[Contrail (BWU)]], [[Sigil (BWU)]], [[Gauntlet (BWU)]]
*'''''Prime''''': [[Ser-Ket (BWU)]], [[Rot Gut (BWU)]], [[Twinstrike (BWU)]], [[Budora (BWU)]], [[Darksteel (BWU)]], [[Vertebreak (BWU)]], [[Grimwing (BWU)]], [[Blackbeak (BWU)]], [[Judora (BWU)]]
*'''''Robots in Disguise''''': [[Bisk (BWU)]], [[Paralon (BWU)]], [[Quillfire (BWU)]], [[Ped (BWU)]], [[Psychobat (BWU)]], [[Springload (BWU)]], [[Snitch (BWU)]], [[Razorgrille (BWU)]]
*'''''Transformers Online''''': [[Astral Knight (BWU)]], [[Psychic Shortstop (BWU)]], [[Wrath Thunder (BWU)]], [[Deep Blue (BWU)]]
*'''Mini-Cons''': [[Synapse (BWU)]], [[Black Out]], [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], [[Flat-Out (BWU)]], [[Six-Speed (BWU)]], [[Zapmaster (BWU)]], [[Crumplezone (BWU)]], [[Cannon (BWU)]], [[Bulge (BWU)]], [[Bomb (BWU)]], [[Shot (BWU)]], [[Crack (BWU)]], [[Thunderblast (BWU)]], [[Wreckage (BWU)]], [[Bonecrusher (BWU)]], [[Broadside (BWU)]], [[Tankor (BWU)]], [[Caliburn (BWU)]], [[Torque (BWU)]], [[Bilge (BWU)]], [[Search (BWU)]], [[Refute (BWU)]], [[Kingbolt (BWU)]], [[Starcatcher (BWU)]], [[Clench (BWU)]], [[Run-Over (BWU)]], [[Deepdive (BWU)]], [[Astro-Sinker (BWU)]], [[Snow Cat (BWU)]], [[Draft (BWU)]], [[Screw (BWU)]], [[Aston (BWU)]] (deep sigh)
*'''Other''': [[Terrastar (BWU)]], [[Hyperborea (BWU)]], [[Alchemor (BWU)]], [[Minion of Unicron (BWU)]]

There's a handful of ''Uprising'' characters that need a (G1) page anyway for non-''Uprising'' reasons; I'm totally ambivalent about where the ''Uprising'' content ends up for these: [[Tidal Wave (G1)]], [[Override (BWU)]] (!), [[Cannonball (G1)]], [[Black-Out]], [[Halogen (G1)]], [[Knock Out (G1)]], [[Gaidora (BWU)]], [[Strongarm (G1)]], [[Thunderhoof (BWU)]], [[Twirl (G1)]].

Finally there's a few weird cases that would merit individual discussion but would probably just need to keep their own pages: [[Clobber (BWU)]], [[Apex (BWU)]], [[Offshoot (BWU)]], [[Cybaxx (BWU)]], [[Overbite (BWU)]], and [[Terrorcon (BWU)]].

Here is a ([https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&redirs=1&profile=all&search=%22from+the%22+%22continuity+families%22 probably non-exhaustive]) list of existing cases of multi-continuity drifting you should probably consider before weighing in:
* [[Buckethead]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 31, 2015|this Ask Vector Prime answer]])
* [[Drydock (TF 2010)]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 13, 2015|this answer]] which explicitly has him travel from one continuity to another)
* [[Drelnar Feh'd]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 17, 2015|this one]])
* [[Scorpia (G2)]], [[Autoceptor]], [[Deceptor]], and [[Kaltor]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#June 12, 2015|this one]])
* The [[Night Rescue Team]], [[Clear Skies Team]], [[Rapid Intervention Team]], [[Prehistoric Team]], [[Demolition Team]], [[Dirt Digger Team]], [[Heavy Load (Universe)]] and the [[Mobile Fortification Team]], and [[Detectas]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 28, 2015|this one]]).
**However, exceptions from these Mini-Con teams are [[Nightscream (Cybertron)|Nightscream]], [[Offshoot (Cybertron)|Offshoot]], [[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]] and [[Knockdown (Cybertron)|Knockdown]], who all have separate (Cybertron) basis on the basis of receiving separate bios after being packed in with ''Cybertron'' Primus...
**...but then [[Liftor]] is all on a single page, despite his ''Classics'' bio.
**[[Snarl (Classics)|Snarl]], [[Sledge (Classics)|Sledge]], [[Wideload (Classics)|Wideload]], [[Knockdown (Classics)|Knockdown]], and [[Steel Wind]] already have ''Uprising'' content on their pages, but that makes sense as these were originally ''Classics'' guys.
* The [[Saurian Strike Team]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#September 28, 2015|this one]])
* The [[Minicon 8 Pack]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#July 24, 2015|this one]])
* The ''Dark of the Moon'' Mini-Cons [[Dualor (DOTM)]], [[Triceradon (DOTM)]], [[Rav (DOTM)]], and [[Catilla (DOTM)]], plus [[Ironlunge]], [[Reptix]], [[Sling (AOE)]], [[Gnashteeth]], [[Wedge Shape]], [[Brimstone (Universe)]], [[Apexus]], [[Gredator]], and [[Dragoyell]] (because of [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#August 13, 2015|this one]])
** Weirdly, we ''separately'' have a page for [[Rav (BWU)]], but Catilla has Unicron Trilogy, movie, and ''Uprising'' appearances covered all on the one page!
* [[Galadria]] and [[Ramak]] (because of [[Source:Transformers: Spacewarp's Log#December 5, 2015|this post]])
* Am I to understand that [[Wind Sheer (RID)]], [[Skyfire (RID)]] and the [[Dimensional Patrol]] each have just a single page because (RID) ''is'' part of the G1 continuity family sometimes...?
* And I understand that [[Primus Vanguard]] cameos just go on their original pages because that's a weird thing kinda outside of G1 anyway (at least from an in-universe perspective, if not a real-world one).
* ''Diaclone'' examples like [[Burn Out (Diaclone)]], [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)]], and [[Chifumi Takahashi]] have been discussed to death.
* [[Monsterous]] was retconned to originally be from an Aligned universe (in [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Guest column#October 21, 2015|this post]], though I can't actually find any mention of Uniend? EDIT: [[Source:Ask Vector Prime/Guest column#November 7, 2015|found it]]!)
* [[Primacron]] was apparently mentioned in ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II| The AllSpark Almanac II]]''.
* And [[Sentinel Supreme]] is just an Easter egg that everyone seemed to shrug about at the time.

To those who say the exception I'm proposing would be confusing, I submit these existing examples where we've apparently neglected to split something out as evidence that the only people this confuses are wiki editors like me wondering why they're not all that way. Maybe I'm just unaware of some aspect of the existing policy which accounts for all these cases? But is it really helpful to anyone to have a given toy's associated fiction squirrelled away somewhere separate you have to go into the disambiguation to find? We recently merged [[Chromhorn]] (another Sorenson job) on the basis that "There's literally no reason for these to be on different pages. They are the same thing." Can we not do the same for these Sorenson-penned cases that are basically going "look, the exact same guy shows up in multiple universes, alright?" And if the answer is no, will someone go through and split all these out? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2023 (EST)

:I think my response to your earlier G1-import proposal still applies here: the more exceptions we make to our system for the sake of "accessibility", the harder the overall structure becomes to grok for a new reader, and thus ironically it all becomes ''less'' accessible. Why should ''Uprising'' Steel Jaw be at [[Steel Jaw]], but ''Uprising'' Bisk be at [[Bisk (RID)]]? Or, conversely, why should ''Uprising'' Steel Jaw be at [[Steeljaw (RID)]], but LBS Steeljaw be at [[Steel Jaw|Steeljaw (IDW)]]? Neither solution is good.
:As for the current list of exceptions, I'd argue everything you list from Buckethead to the DOTM Mini-Cons should probably be split. Galadria and Ramak are characters from outside media, so we don't split them across continuity lines. Wind Sheer and Skyfire have one page for consistency with the other RID guys. The source on Monsterous being Aligned is [[Source:Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook#November_7.2C_2015|here]], but I would argue that's just giving an origin to the GoBot and so they should share a page anyway.
:Lastly - I object to you bringing the Chromhorn thing into this, as I don't think it's a fair comparison. Chromhorn wasn't making any exception to our categorisation system; it was one page saying "Chromhorn is a green variant of Insecticon from the UT" and another saying "Chromhorn Forest Type is a green variant of Insecticon from the UT", and the former was somehow a "repurposing" of the fictionless latter. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:24, 6 February 2023 (EST)
::Totally get the Steeljaw example—although it ''is'' crazy that we're currently disambiguating G1 wolf Steeljaw simply by [[Steel Jaw]]. You should post about the disambiguation tag policy change you suggested on Discord, I think a lot of people were thinking along similar lines there. Agree with your interpretation of the current policy as to which of the examples listed should be split and which shouldn't—although the more I think about the Primus Vanguard, the more I think those should technically be split too. While I guess the [[Time Warrior (AVP)|Time Warrior]]s are multiversal travellers like Drydock. RE: Chromhorn, I understand why it's technically different; I brought it up because I think it speaks to the tenor of ''Ask Vector Prime'' answers—in spirit, I think its aim was exactly the same as with the Mini-Con examples I've given.
::What do I mean by that? To match your Steeljaw example, from the opposite angle: say I'm your typical fan scrolling [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)]], and I click on, say, [[Dualor (DOTM)]], wondering if he's ever shown up in anything. In their current state, I get my answer immediately. With the proposed split for consistency, I instead get a page telling me that Dualor (DOTM) is a dinosaur Mini-Con from ''Dark of the Moon'', some info about the toy, ''maybe'' ending with an inscrutable note about how he was "repurposed" as an identical guy. Now, there's ''already'' an unrelated [[Dualor (Armada)]], so we'd need to make a disambiguation page. We can see this already by looking at [[Snow Cat (Universe)]], which is barren (the very scenario AVP so often tried to address!), and doesn't even admit to the existence of [[Snow Cat (BWU)]] aside from a general Snow Cat disambiguation tag. In some existing cases like [[Steamhammer (BWU)]], we've mirrored a toy writeup, which needs upkeep in parallel; in others, like Snow Cat, we're asking the user to visit the other page to read about the toy ''anyway''. To my mind, this is inarguably less accessible. I don't understand arguments made about accessibility here which are predicated on readers having learned editing policy to begin with, and I don't think this proposal would actually make it any harder to learn the system.
::I regret not listing out all the individual members of those Mini-Con teams above, to better communicate the sheer number of pages that would need to be made (and pages that would need to be renamed, in case of conflicts) to create this inconvenience in service of a rule we've already been ignoring without issue. Nobody wants to do this work, and I think it's less that no-one cares, and more that some people think it'd actually make the wiki worse, and the rest don't particularly think it'd make the wiki better.
::What about just making an exception for Mini-Cons/Micromasters? I've talked about ''Uprising'', but obviously the vast majority of cases that theoretically need splitting aren't from ''Uprising'' at all. Could probably even do a generic template like "X exists in multiple continuity families, and is a Micromaster/Maximal/Predacon in those without Mini-Cons". Thus your Steeljaws and Bisks and Overrides go unchanged, no problems or ambiguity there! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)
:Once upon a time, I probably would have pushed for something like this, but where we are now: I am not a fan of any push towards treating something differently based on how "relevant" something is or not. It goes against the very spirit this wiki was founded on, because that is what was happening to the Wikipedia coverage of Transformers where they were just getting rid of things wholesale because of "relevancy." I can understand the basic point behind this, but I feel that doing so would set a bad precedent that could be exploited in the future.
:I'd be fine with splitting most of these out. I've said it before elsewhere but by and large a lot of the inconsistencies were largely the result of different contributors adding stuff or splitting stuff without a general consensus, and they haven't been cleaned up afterwards. Also, a minor note, but the Liftor thing was mainly cause no one noticed at the time until I wrote up about the profile years after the fact. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:26, 6 February 2023 (EST)
::If I gave the impression "relevancy" was the main thrust of my argument here, I didn't mean to! Like, it goes both ways—would we be merging because ''Uprising'' is so irrelevant that we shouldn't devote all these random stub pages to it, ''or'' are we merging because it's sufficiently relevant that we shouldn't be hiding that content in stub pages nobody visits? Either is true! I'm arguing for convenience and clarity. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 17:09, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::: This definitely feels like the strongest argument to the merge in my mind. The wiki is no stranger to niche pages, pages for nameless, fictionless, toyless nonentities. But I believe these fictionless toys and toyless fiction which are really the same thing would be a richer niche page for the merges. [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] ([[User talk:Bumblebee2000|talk]]) 20:36, 7 February 2023 (EST)
::: I really think that once again, this overrates the number of people who would be confused by this, and underrates the number of people who would be able to figure out where to go if they wish to find the information. Like, I hate to do the whole "I was able to figure it out" thing but I was a small child with a single-digit age when I first discovered the wiki and I was able to figure out pretty quick why it was laid out the way it was. I'm not saying there's no room for improvement; I think there's a lot of cases in which the way we have things set up now is kind of ridiculous. But in this particular case, I don't really see how merging things would be any more convenient than just leaving them the way they are and splitting out the cases that we never got around to. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:52, 7 February 2023 (EST)

Just found some more pages that would need splitting under current policy: [[Crystal Widow]], [[Seawave]], [[Cradon]], [[Freefall (Kre-O)]], [[Liftoff]], and [[Epsilon Holdings]]. All due to ''Uprising'' and ''The Allspark Almanac''. Really hoping someone can propose a solution here that doesn't involve creating a billion pages and disambigs. --[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 09:24, 18 February 2023 (EST)
:We don't split businesses/locations/organizations, so Epsilon Holdings isn't one we need to consider. Kre-O doesn't really occupy a continuity family in our organization and I would just split the rest, especially Crystal Widow. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:28, 18 February 2023 (EST)

Noticed the ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars| Earth Wars]]'' stub templates on Mini-Con pages for [[Wheeljack Kunai]] and [[Bido]]. The game had previously added [[Gabu]], [[Zori]], [[Baru]], [[Bashbreaker]], [[Windstrike]], and [[Tricerashot]]. Following policy, these should ''all'' be split—see [[Giza (POTP)]] and [[Giza (Prime)]], although to be fair they're not the same animal at least. As always, I think the fiction for those toys should go on the pages for those toys. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 12:39, 17 March 2023 (EDT)

Just finished going through documenting the preliminary bios for the [[Night Rescue Team]], [[Predator Attack Team]], and [[Mini-Con Council of Sages]], from when the ''Classics'' Mini-Cons were still going to be released as ''Cybertron'' two-packs, and it occurs to me that if ''all'' of those guys end up getting duplicate pages, the Unicron Trilogy pages would be where that information should probably end up. Right now it's all a bit of a mess, as some of those characters have (Cybertron) pages via the Primus bonus-pack-in, some don't, and others had their names changed from their would've-been ''Cybertron'' incarnations anyway. I've generally tried to stick to linking to the existing pages rather than redlinking—naturally I remain convinced that it'd be for the best if we didn't distinguish between ''Classics'' and ''Cybertron'' at all in this case and just kept all the relevant information for each of those Mini-Cons on one page per; I think [[Liftor]] is proof that this is in fact perfectly fine and much, much less of a headache for readers. See whatever the hell is going on with the page for the [[Night Rescue Team]], which names the patrol car as "[[Strongarm (Classics)|Strongarm]]/[[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]]" as though that's something which makes any sense at all. Tangentially, I also reckon the material from these early bios (which evidently made it out via the official Hasbro website ''somehow'') should probably just be written up in fiction sections proper, along the lines of, say, cancelled Dreamwave issues...? —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 18:03, 23 April 2023 (EDT)
:The Cybertron Primus pack-in guys had bios written by Sepelak and Troop (who also wrote the bios for the Classics guys) that deliberately made them different characters for the Club website with little in common besides their physical appearances. It's not a case of "old rules" at all, it was something specific done at the time. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:28, 23 April 2023 (EDT)

==Wikia links still around?==
https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Smelting_pool&direction=prev&oldid=109505
Are other archived "intermediate / obsolete" edit pages still pointing to Wikia? Or have they been somehow neutralized? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:52, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
:Not exactly sure what you're asking? I mean, the link is literally part of the text in that edit, so it wouldn't be removed. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:25, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
::Is that page (and presumably any other intermediate edit page from those years) still directing search engines to Wikia? Some years ago it was seen as pretty urgent that every last such link be removed, regardless of location. Not "gone from current pages," gone from ''everything''. As I recall, there were even refs to Wikia pre-struck-out on pages so people could only see them in mid-edit, but they were still boosting Wikia's rankings, and an admin had to create a bot to scrape them out of everywhere. If they still persist on hundreds of intermediate edit pages from those years, should those pages be totally erased, as they would be when randos insert porn or hate speech here? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:10, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
:::Historic page revisions are not indexed by Google, so they won't boost Wikia rankings. Those links will be present on any revisions before March 2008, as those revisions are from a backup imported from when the site was on Wikia. We still do have some Wikia links on live pages ([[Miscolorings based on the Generation 1 cartoon]] is an example) but those links will be marked nofollow as all external links are, so they should, in theory, not be boosting Wikia's ranking either. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:04, 26 May 2023 (EDT)

== ROTB being a reboot - what should we do with that? ==

I don't necessarily hold an opinion on this issue, but according to an interview with the director of ROTB, Rise of the Beasts will be a reboot of the live-action movie franchise. Will this affect how existing articles are grouped and written? Or does the wiki just consider it a case of authorial intent? ([https://news.tfw2005.com/2023/05/27/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-director-steven-caple-jr-confirms-rotb-set-in-a-rebooted-universe-484900 source]) [[User:Gigirassy|Gigirassy]] ([[User talk:Gigirassy|talk]]) 16:19, 27 May 2023 (EDT)

Transformers Evo.

2023-04-12T09:16:56Z

Gigirassy:

{{song
|title=TRANSFORMERS EVO.
|japanese=
|translation=
|image=Transformers Evo OP.jpg
|caption=
|series=[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)#Japanese release|Animated]]
|position=opening theme
|performer=[[JAM Project]]
|composer=[[Hironobu Kageyama]]
|lyrics=Hironobu Kageyama
|arrangement=[[Daisuke Kikuta]]
}}
"'''TRANSFORMERS EVO.'''" is the [[Japanese themes|opening song]] to the Japanese release of the [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)#Japanese release|''Animated'']] cartoon.

==Lyrics==
{{note|The lyrics on this page have been translated more idiomatically than literally.}}
===1st version TV size edit===
{|width=100%
|valign=top width=33%|
====Original Japanese====
闇の彼方静寂を引き裂き 
地球の眠り呼び起こすのは 
どいつだ?

ほら目の前邪悪な魂達 
逃げ場は無いまっすぐに受け止めろ! 
サムワン・テルズ・ミー「弱気」や「恐れ」を消去して 
僕らは意識組み替える

その手を強く握り 
互いの絆信じて 
戦え!

:さぁオール・アィ・キャン・ドゥ
:アンド・オール・ユー・キャン・ドゥ
:羽ばたけトランスフォーム
:その胸貫く怒りを力に変え
:今オール・アィ・キャン・ドゥ
:アンド・オール・ユー・キャン・ドゥ
:輝けトランスフォーム
:進化のステージへ
:タッチ・アンド・ゴー!

|valign=top width=33%|
====Rōmaji transliteration====
Yami no kanata seijaku o hikisaki 
Hoshi no nemuri yobiokosu no wa 
Doitsu da?

Hora me no mae jaaku na tamashiitachi 
Nigeba wa nai massugu ni uketomero! 
Someone tells me "yowaki" ya "osore" o shōkyo shite 
Bokura wa ishiki kumikaeru

Sono te o tsuyoku nigiri 
Tagai no kizuna shinjite 
Tatakae!

:Saa All I can do
:And all you can do
:Habatake Transform
:Sono mune tsuranuku ikari o chikara ni kae
:Ima All I can do
:And all you can do
:Kagayake Transform
:Shinka no Stage e
:Touch and go!

|valign=top width=33%|
====English translation====
Out in the darkness, someone is rending the silence 
Awakening this planet from its sleep 
Who is it?

Look, evil spirits are right before you 
There's nowhere to run, so take 'em straight on! 
Someone tells me to erase my "worries" and "fear" 
We reconstruct our minds

Clench your fists strongly 
Believe in the bonds between us 
And fight!

:So all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is spread your wings and transform
:Take the anger piercing your heart and turn it into strength
:Now all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is shine and transform
:To the stage of evolution
:Touch and go!
|}

===2nd version TV size edit===
{|width=100%
|valign=top width=33%|
====Original Japanese====
耳を住ませ！新たなる「始まり」 
なぜ時代は僕らを試すんだろう

未知のエリア覚醒されたパワー 
光放ち究極のレベル目指せ！ 
誰もが幾多の試練をクリアして 
現在の自分を乗り越える

苦難の道を進め！ 
無限の進化信じて 
戦え！

:さあオール・アィ・キャン・ドゥ
:アンド・オール・ユー・キャン・ドゥ
:飛び立てトランスフォーム
:受けた身体の傷跡さえ誇りにして
:今オール・アィ・キャン・ドゥ
:アンド・オール・ユー・キャン・ドゥ
:戦えトランスフォーム
:進化の道を
:タッチ・アンド・ゴー!

|valign=top width=33%|
====Rōmaji transliteration====
Mimi o sumase! Aratanaru "hajimari" 
Naze jidai wa bokura o tamesun darou?

Michi no Area kakusei sareta Power 
Hikari hanachi kyūkyoku no Level mesaze! 
Daremo ga ikuta no shiren o Clear shite 
Ima no jibun o norikoeru

Kunan no michi o susume! 
Mugen no shinka shinjite 
Tatakae!

:Saa All I can do
:And all you can do
:Tobitate Transform
:Uketa karada no kizuato sae hokori ni shite
:Ima All I can do
:And all you can do
:Tatakae Transform
:Shinka no michi o
:Touch and go!

|valign=top width=33%|
====English translation====
Listen closely! It's a new "beginning" 
Why do you think this age is testing us?

Power is awakened in an unknown area 
Unleash the light, aim for the ultimate level! 
We will all clear a series of trials 
And overcome what we are now

Forward down the path of distress! 
Believe in infinite evolution 
And fight! 

:So all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is take off and transform
:Turn all the scars left on your body into marks of pride
:Now all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is battle on and transform
:Down the road of evolution
:Touch and go!
|}

===Full version===
{|width=100%
|valign=top width=33%|
====Original Japanese====
闇の彼方静寂を引き裂き 
地球の眠り呼び起こすのは 
どいつだ?

ほら目の前邪悪な魂達 
逃げ場は無いまっすぐに受け止めろ! 
Someone tells me 「弱気」や「恐れ」を消去して 
僕らは意識組み替える

その手を強く握り 
互いの絆信じて 
戦え!

:さぁ All I can do
:And all you can do
:羽ばたけ Transform
:その胸貫く怒りを力に変え
:今 All I can do
:And all you can do
:輝け Transform
:進化のステージへ
:Touch and go!

耳を住ませ！新たなる「始まり」 
なぜ時代は僕らを試すんだろう

未知のエリア覚醒されたパワー 
光放ち究極のレベル目指せ！ 
誰もが幾多の試練をクリアして 
現在の自分を乗り越える

苦難の道を進め！ 
無限の進化信じて 
戦え！

:さあ All I can do
:And all you can do
:飛び立て Transform
:受けた身体の傷跡さえ誇りにして
:今 All I can do
:And all you can do
:戦え Transform
:進化の道を
:Get and go!

その手を強く握り 
互いの絆信じて 
戦え!

:さぁ All I can do
:And all you can do
:羽ばたけ Transform
:その胸貫く怒りを力に変え
:今 All I can do
:And all you can do
:輝け Transform
:進化のステージへ
:Touch and go!

|valign=top width=33%|
====Rōmaji transliteration====
Yami no kanata seijaku o hikisaki 
Hoshi no nemuri yobiokosu no wa 
Doitsu da?

Hora me no mae jaaku na tamashiitachi 
Nigeba wa nai massugu ni uketomero! 
Someone tells me "yowaki" ya "osore" o shōkyo shite 
Bokura wa ishiki kumikaeru

Sono te o tsuyoku nigiri 
Tagai no kizuna shinjite 
Tatakae!

:Saa All I can do
:And all you can do
:Habatake Transform
:Sono mune tsuranuku ikari o chikara ni kae
:Ima All I can do
:And all you can do
:Kagayake Transform
:Shinka no Stage e
:Touch and go!

Mimi o sumase! Aratanaru "hajimari" 
Naze jidai wa bokura o tamesun darou? 

Michi no Area kakusei sareta Power 
Hikari hanachi kyūkyoku no Level mesaze! 
Daremo ga ikuta no shiren o Clear shite 
Ima no jibun o norikoeru

Kunan no michi o susume! 
Mugen no shinka shinjite 
Tatakae!

:Saa All I can do
:And all you can do
:Tobitate Transform
:Uketa karada no kizuato sae hokori ni shite
:Ima All I can do
:And all you can do
:Tatakae Transform
:Shinka no michi o
:Get and go!

Sono te o tsuyoku nigiri 
Tagai no kizuna shinjite 
Tatakae!

:Saa All I can do
:And all you can do
:Habatake Transform
:Sono mune tsuranuku ikari o chikara ni kae
:Ima All I can do
:And all you can do
:Kagayake Transform
:Shinka no Stage e
:Touch and go!

|valign=top width=33%|
====English translation====
Out in the darkness, someone is rending the silence 
Awakening this planet from its sleep 
Who is it?

Look, evil spirits are right before you 
There's nowhere to run, so take 'em straight on! 
Someone tells me to erase my "worries" and "fear" 
We reconstruct our minds

Clench your fists strongly 
Believe in the bonds between us 
And fight!

:So all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is spread your wings and transform
:Take the anger piercing your heart and turn it into strength
:Now all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is shine and transform
:To the stage of evolution
:Touch and go!

Listen closely! It's a new "beginning" 
Why do you think this age is testing us?

Power is awakened in an unknown area 
Unleash the light, aim for the ultimate level! 
We will all clear a series of trials 
And overcome what we are now

Forward down the path of distress! 
Believe in infinite evolution 
And fight! 

:So all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is take off and transform
:Turn all the scars left on your body into marks of pride
:Now all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is battle on and transform
:Down the road of evolution
:Get and go!

Clench your fists strongly 
Believe in the bonds between us 
And fight!

:So all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is spread your wings and transform
:Take the anger piercing your heart and turn it into strength
:Now all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is shine and transform
:To the stage of evolution
:Touch and go!
|}

==Single release==
[[Image:Transformers Evo single.jpg|thumb|150px|Hahahaha look at that one dude! He is so serious and his wig is SO BAD.]]
;Track listing
#"TRANSFORMERS EVO."
#"[[Praise Be to Decepticon|PRAISE BE TO DECEPTICON]]"
#"TRANSFORMERS EVO. （off vocal）"
#"PRAISE BE TO DECEPTICON （off vocal）"

'''Release date:''' [[April 21]], [[2010]] 
'''Label:''' [[Lantis|Lantis Co., Ltd.]] 
'''Prod. code:''' LACM-4705 
'''ASIN:''' B0037NIA0O
{{--}}

===Album releases===
{{note|All releases listed feature the full version of the song, unless otherwise noted.}}
* 2011 — ''GOING ~JAM Project BEST COLLECTION VIII~''
* 2014 — ''[[Transformers Theme Song DVD ~Transformers Music Matrix 30th Anniversary Ver.~]]'' (1st version TV size edit)

==Notes==
*For some reason, the on-screen subs for the cartoon's opening transliterates all the English words into katakana while the CD's lyric sheet uses a mix of Japanese and English text. Since these are both official media, that's also what we've done here.
*This [[title sequence#Japanese version|title sequence]] uses completely original animation and features no recycled footage from the show.
**To say that this intro has little to do with the actual show would be an understatement. [[Ironhide (Animated)|Some]] [[Arcee (Animated)|characters]] with small roles within the series as a whole get [[To sell toys|lots of exposure]] in the video, while more [[Jazz (Animated)|prominent]] [[Lugnut (Animated)|ones]] are only briefly seen, and [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|one]] particularly important character is completely absent. Rather than focusing on [[Detroit]], the intro seems to jump all over the globe, such as [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]], [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] in front of the {{w|Flatiron Building}} in [[New York City]], [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] on the Great Wall of [[China]], [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] in [[Egypt]], Ironhide in [[Australia|Sydney]], [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] fighting in Paris, [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] fighting [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] in Osaka, [[Japan]], [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] wreaking havoc at Moscow, and [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] appearing in [[Washington, D.C.]]
**[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] seems to power up with [[burning justice]], and for some reason, a [[Cloaked mystery villain|strange, evil character]] appears at the beginning of the video.
**For those who have not seen the show, the intro spoils a '''lot''' of things, including [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]'s relation to Elita-1, [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]'s embedded [[AllSpark#Animated|AllSpark]] shard, [[Starscream clone (Animated)|his clones]], [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]'s appearance, Blackarachnia's control of the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]] and even [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm]]'s betrayal, as [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] fights him rather than Shockwave.
*During the bridge after the phrase 'Get and Go', a chant going "Defeat Decepticon!" can be heard.
**A variant of this song exists where the "Defeat Decepticon" chant near the end of the song is replaced with "Defeat Destron", the common Japanese name for the Decepticons.
*A second and slightly modified version of the [[title sequence#Animated|title sequence]] debuts in the episode "[[The Return of the Headmaster|Headmaster, Once Again!]]" using the second half of the song.
*In the final episode "[[Endgame, Part II|The Final Decisive Battle! Suppress Megatron]]", the dubbing cast sings over the first version.
*A newly recorded version of the song, titled "'''TRANSFORMERS EVO. -2015-'''", was released as part of the ''STRONG BEST ALBUM MOTTO! MOTTO!! -2015-'' album on September 9, 2015.

==References==
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ODtsNMNJXk 1st version TV size intro] at YouTube, subs by [http://www.tvnihon.com/ TV-Nihon]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIj3bz9-PCA 2nd version TV size intro] at YouTube
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihFKsEcCLnc Full length version] at YouTube
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQA3QUO-eY Dubbing cast version] at YouTube
*[http://vimeo.com/40200290 Live symphonic version] at the Tokyo Metropolitan Art Space, February 3–4, 2011
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inAnTUkCOaM The alternate "Defeat Destron" version] at YouTube

[[Category:Animated media]]
[[Category:Japanese theme songs]]

Transformers Evo.

2023-04-12T09:14:56Z

Gigirassy:

{{song
|title=TRANSFORMERS EVO.
|japanese=
|translation=
|image=Transformers Evo OP.jpg
|caption=
|series=[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)#Japanese release|Animated]]
|position=opening theme
|performer=[[JAM Project]]
|composer=[[Hironobu Kageyama]]
|lyrics=Hironobu Kageyama
|arrangement=[[Daisuke Kikuta]]
}}
"'''TRANSFORMERS EVO.'''" is the [[Japanese themes|opening song]] to the Japanese release of the [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)#Japanese release|''Animated'']] cartoon.

==Lyrics==
{{note|The lyrics on this page have been translated more idiomatically than literally.}}
===1st version TV size edit===
{|width=100%
|valign=top width=33%|
====Original Japanese====
闇の彼方静寂を引き裂き 
地球の眠り呼び起こすのは 
どいつだ?

ほら目の前邪悪な魂達 
逃げ場は無いまっすぐに受け止めろ! 
サムワン・テルズ・ミー「弱気」や「恐れ」を消去して 
僕らは意識組み替える

その手を強く握り 
互いの絆信じて 
戦え!

:さぁオール・アィ・キャン・ドゥ
:アンド・オール・ユー・キャン・ドゥ
:羽ばたけトランスフォーム
:その胸貫く怒りを力に変え
:今オール・アィ・キャン・ドゥ
:アンド・オール・ユー・キャン・ドゥ
:輝けトランスフォーム
:進化のステージへ
:タッチ・アンド・ゴー!

|valign=top width=33%|
====Rōmaji transliteration====
Yami no kanata seijaku o hikisaki 
Hoshi no nemuri yobiokosu no wa 
Doitsu da?

Hora me no mae jaaku na tamashiitachi 
Nigeba wa nai massugu ni uketomero! 
Someone tells me "yowaki" ya "osore" o shōkyo shite 
Bokura wa ishiki kumikaeru

Sono te o tsuyoku nigiri 
Tagai no kizuna shinjite 
Tatakae!

:Saa All I can do
:And all you can do
:Habatake Transform
:Sono mune tsuranuku ikari o chikara ni kae
:Ima All I can do
:And all you can do
:Kagayake Transform
:Shinka no Stage e
:Touch and go!

|valign=top width=33%|
====English translation====
Out in the darkness, someone is rending the silence 
Awakening this planet from its sleep 
Who is it?

Look, evil spirits are right before you 
There's nowhere to run, so take 'em straight on! 
Someone tells me to erase my "worries" and "fear" 
We reconstruct our minds

Clench your fists strongly 
Believe in the bonds between us 
And fight!

:So all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is spread your wings and transform
:Take the anger piercing your heart and turn it into strength
:Now all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is shine and transform
:To the stage of evolution
:Touch and go!
|}

===2nd version TV size edit===
{|width=100%
|valign=top width=33%|
====Original Japanese====
耳を住ませ！新たなる「始まり」 
なぜ時代は僕らを試すんだろう

未知のエリア覚醒されたパワー 
光放ち究極のレベル目指せ！ 
誰もが幾多の試練をクリアして 
現在の自分を乗り越える

苦難の道を進め！ 
無限の進化信じて 
戦え！

:さあオール・アィ・キャン・ドゥ
:アンド・オール・ユー・キャン・ドゥ
:飛び立てトランスフォーム
:受けた身体の傷跡さえ誇りにして
:今オール・アィ・キャン・ドゥ
:アンド・オール・ユー・キャン・ドゥ
:戦えトランスフォーム
:進化の道を
:タッチ・アンド・ゴー!

|valign=top width=33%|
====Rōmaji transliteration====
Mimi o sumase! Aratanaru "hajimari" 
Naze jidai wa bokura o tamesun darou?

Michi no Area kakusei sareta Power 
Hikari hanachi kyūkyoku no Level mesaze! 
Daremo ga ikuta no shiren o Clear shite 
Ima no jibun o norikoeru

Kunan no michi o susume! 
Mugen no shinka shinjite 
Tatakae!

:Saa All I can do
:And all you can do
:Tobitate Transform
:Uketa karada no kizuato sae hokori ni shite
:Ima All I can do
:And all you can do
:Tatakae Transform
:Shinka no michi o
:Touch and go!

|valign=top width=33%|
====English translation====
Listen closely! It's a new "beginning" 
Why do you think this age is testing us?

Power is awakened in an unknown area 
Unleash the light, aim for the ultimate level! 
We will all clear a series of trials 
And overcome what we are now

Forward down the path of distress! 
Believe in infinite evolution 
And fight! 

:So all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is take off and transform
:Turn all the scars left on your body into marks of pride
:Now all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is battle on and transform
:Down the road of evolution
:Touch and go!
|}

===Full version===
{|width=100%
|valign=top width=33%|
====Original Japanese====
闇の彼方静寂を引き裂き 
地球の眠り呼び起こすのは 
どいつだ?

ほら目の前邪悪な魂達 
逃げ場は無いまっすぐに受け止めろ! 
Someone tells me 「弱気」や「恐れ」を消去して 
僕らは意識組み替える

その手を強く握り 
互いの絆信じて 
戦え!

:さぁ All I can do
:And all you can do
:羽ばたけ Transform
:その胸貫く怒りを力に変え
:今 All I can do
:And all you can do
:輝け Transform
:進化のステージへ
:Touch and go!

耳を住ませ！新たなる「始まり」 
なぜ時代は僕らを試すんだろう

未知のエリア覚醒されたパワー 
光放ち究極のレベル目指せ！ 
誰もが幾多の試練をクリアして 
現在の自分を乗り越える

苦難の道を進め！ 
無限の進化信じて 
戦え！

:さあ All I can do
:And all you can do
:飛び立て Transform
:受けた身体の傷跡さえ誇りにして
:今 All I can do
:And all you can do
:戦え Transform
:進化の道を
:Get and go!

その手を強く握り 
互いの絆信じて 
戦え!

:さぁ All I can do
:And all you can do
:羽ばたけ Transform
:その胸貫く怒りを力に変え
:今 All I can do
:And all you can do
:輝け Transform
:進化のステージへ
:Touch and go!

|valign=top width=33%|
====Rōmaji transliteration====
Yami no kanata seijaku o hikisaki 
Hoshi no nemuri yobiokosu no wa 
Doitsu da?

Hora me no mae jaaku na tamashiitachi 
Nigeba wa nai massugu ni uketomero! 
Someone tells me "yowaki" ya "osore" o shōkyo shite 
Bokura wa ishiki kumikaeru

Sono te o tsuyoku nigiri 
Tagai no kizuna shinjite 
Tatakae!

:Saa All I can do
:And all you can do
:Habatake Transform
:Sono mune tsuranuku ikari o chikara ni kae
:Ima All I can do
:And all you can do
:Kagayake Transform
:Shinka no Stage e
:Touch and go!

Mimi o sumase! Aratanaru "hajimari" 
Naze jidai wa bokura o tamesun darou? 

Michi no Area kakusei sareta Power 
Hikari hanachi kyūkyoku no Level mesaze! 
Daremo ga ikuta no shiren o Clear shite 
Ima no jibun o norikoeru

Kunan no michi o susume! 
Mugen no shinka shinjite 
Tatakae!

:Saa All I can do
:And all you can do
:Tobitate Transform
:Uketa karada no kizuato sae hokori ni shite
:Ima All I can do
:And all you can do
:Tatakae Transform
:Shinka no michi o
:Get and go!

Sono te o tsuyoku nigiri 
Tagai no kizuna shinjite 
Tatakae!

:Saa All I can do
:And all you can do
:Habatake Transform
:Sono mune tsuranuku ikari o chikara ni kae
:Ima All I can do
:And all you can do
:Kagayake Transform
:Shinka no Stage e
:Touch and go!

|valign=top width=33%|
====English translation====
Out in the darkness, someone is rending the silence 
Awakening this planet from its sleep 
Who is it?

Look, evil spirits are right before you 
There's nowhere to run, so take 'em straight on! 
Someone tells me to erase my "worries" and "fear" 
We reconstruct our minds

Clench your fists strongly 
Believe in the bonds between us 
And fight!

:So all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is spread your wings and transform
:Take the anger piercing your heart and turn it into strength
:Now all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is shine and transform
:To the stage of evolution
:Touch and go!

Listen closely! It's a new "beginning" 
Why do you think this age is testing us?

Power is awakened in an unknown area 
Unleash the light, aim for the ultimate level! 
We will all clear a series of trials 
And overcome what we are now

Forward down the path of distress! 
Believe in infinite evolution 
And fight! 

:So all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is take off and transform
:Turn all the scars left on your body into marks of pride
:Now all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is battle on and transform
:Down the road of evolution
:Get and go!

Clench your fists strongly 
Believe in the bonds between us 
And fight!

:So all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is spread your wings and transform
:Take the anger piercing your heart and turn it into strength
:Now all I can do
:And all you can do
:Is shine and transform
:To the stage of evolution
:Touch and go!
|}

==Single release==
[[Image:Transformers Evo single.jpg|thumb|150px|Hahahaha look at that one dude! He is so serious and his wig is SO BAD.]]
;Track listing
#"TRANSFORMERS EVO."
#"[[Praise Be to Decepticon|PRAISE BE TO DECEPTICON]]"
#"TRANSFORMERS EVO. （off vocal）"
#"PRAISE BE TO DECEPTICON （off vocal）"

'''Release date:''' [[April 21]], [[2010]] 
'''Label:''' [[Lantis|Lantis Co., Ltd.]] 
'''Prod. code:''' LACM-4705 
'''ASIN:''' B0037NIA0O
{{--}}

===Album releases===
{{note|All releases listed feature the full version of the song, unless otherwise noted.}}
* 2011 — ''GOING ~JAM Project BEST COLLECTION VIII~''
* 2014 — ''[[Transformers Theme Song DVD ~Transformers Music Matrix 30th Anniversary Ver.~]]'' (1st version TV size edit)

==Notes==
*For some reason, the on-screen subs for the cartoon's opening transliterates all the English words into katakana while the CD's lyric sheet uses a mix of Japanese and English text. Since these are both official media, that's also what we've done here.
*This [[title sequence#Japanese version|title sequence]] uses completely original animation and features no recycled footage from the show.
**To say that this intro has little to do with the actual show would be an understatement. [[Ironhide (Animated)|Some]] [[Arcee (Animated)|characters]] with small roles within the series as a whole get [[To sell toys|lots of exposure]] in the video, while more [[Jazz (Animated)|prominent]] [[Lugnut (Animated)|ones]] are only briefly seen, and [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|one]] particularly important character is completely absent. Rather than focusing on [[Detroit]], the intro seems to jump all over the globe, such as [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]], [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] in front of the {{w|Flatiron Building}} in [[New York City]], [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] on the Great Wall of [[China]], [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] in [[Egypt]], Ironhide in [[Australia|Sydney]], [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] fighting in Paris, [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] fighting [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] in Osaka, [[Japan]], [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] wreaking havoc at Moscow, and [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] appearing in [[Washington, D.C.]]
**[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] seems to power up with [[burning justice]], and for some reason, a [[Cloaked mystery villain|strange, evil character]] appears at the beginning of the video.
**For those who have not seen the show, the intro spoils a '''lot''' of things, including [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]'s relation to Elita-1, [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]'s embedded [[AllSpark#Animated|AllSpark]] shard, [[Starscream clone (Animated)|his clones]], [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]'s appearance, Blackarachnia's control of the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]] and even [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm]]'s betrayal, as [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] fights him rather than Shockwave.
*During the bridge after the phrase 'Get and Go', a chant going "Defeat Decepticon!" can be heard.
*A second and slightly modified version of the [[title sequence#Animated|title sequence]] debuts in the episode "[[The Return of the Headmaster|Headmaster, Once Again!]]" using the second half of the song.
*In the final episode "[[Endgame, Part II|The Final Decisive Battle! Suppress Megatron]]", the dubbing cast sings over the first version.
*A newly recorded version of the song, titled "'''TRANSFORMERS EVO. -2015-'''", was released as part of the ''STRONG BEST ALBUM MOTTO! MOTTO!! -2015-'' album on September 9, 2015.
*A variant of this song exists where the "Defeat Decepticon" chant near the end of the song is replaced with "Defeat Destron", the common Japanese name for the Decepticons.

==References==
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ODtsNMNJXk 1st version TV size intro] at YouTube, subs by [http://www.tvnihon.com/ TV-Nihon]
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIj3bz9-PCA 2nd version TV size intro] at YouTube
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihFKsEcCLnc Full length version] at YouTube
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQA3QUO-eY Dubbing cast version] at YouTube
*[http://vimeo.com/40200290 Live symphonic version] at the Tokyo Metropolitan Art Space, February 3–4, 2011
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inAnTUkCOaM The alternate "Defeat Destron" version] at YouTube

[[Category:Animated media]]
[[Category:Japanese theme songs]]

User:Gigirassy/Sandbox

2023-04-03T19:20:20Z

Gigirassy:

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|caption=
|title="Fixing Bridges"
|publisher=[[Storybook Pillow Company]]
|based on=[[Transform and Roll Out]]
|written by=[[Eric LeFeber]]
|illustrations by=[[Eugene Qahhaar II]]
|continuity=[[Animated cartoon continuity]]
|pagecount=10
|printed in=[[China]]
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In this children's comic book doubling as a pillow, Bumblebee recounts the events of the first episode of Transformers Animated to Sari.
==Summary==
[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] is fishing with [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]], while missing his home planet of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Sari says that fishing helps her appreciate the Earth, but Bumblebee notes that fishing doesn't exist where he comes from.

Sari's statement reminds Bumblebee of how he got to [[Earth]]. Bumblebee gives an explanation mirroring the events of [[Transform and Roll Out]], with him noting that he and the Autobots mimicked the appearance of the local lifeforms/vehicles after crashing.

The comic book ends abruptly at the revival of [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], with no wrap-up to the explanation provided.
==Trivia==
* The book uses a combination of original art and traced stock art.

User:Gigirassy/Sandbox

2023-04-03T19:19:58Z

Gigirassy:

{{comicstory
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|title="Fixing Bridges"
|publisher=[[Storybook Pillow Company]]
|based on="[[Transform and Roll Out]]"
|written by=[[Eric LeFeber]]
|illustrations by=[[Eugene Qahhaar II]]
|continuity=[[Animated cartoon continuity]]
|pagecount=10
|printed in=[[China]]
}}

In this children's comic book doubling as a pillow, Bumblebee recounts the events of the first episode of Transformers Animated to Sari.
==Summary==
[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] is fishing with [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]], while missing his home planet of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Sari says that fishing helps her appreciate the Earth, but Bumblebee notes that fishing doesn't exist where he comes from.

Sari's statement reminds Bumblebee of how he got to [[Earth]]. Bumblebee gives an explanation mirroring the events of [[Transform and Roll Out]], with him noting that he and the Autobots mimicked the appearance of the local lifeforms/vehicles after crashing.

The comic book ends abruptly at the revival of [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], with no wrap-up to the explanation provided.
==Trivia==
* The book uses a combination of original art and traced stock art.

File:Transformers Animated Storybook Pillow cover.jpg

2023-04-03T19:18:50Z

Gigirassy: Photograph of Fixing Bridges's cover. Sourced from the eBay seller danadee949.

Photograph of [[Fixing Bridges]]'s cover. Sourced from the eBay seller danadee949.

User talk:SmellyDive

2023-04-01T09:35:37Z

Gigirassy:

{{welcome}}
{{what a scoop}}
==Leaks==
I would generously like to remind you to keep in mind that the wiki has a policy against leaking. --[[User:Gigirassy|Gigirassy]] ([[User talk:Gigirassy|talk]]) 05:35, 1 April 2023 (EDT)

Transformers Animated Sight Words Workbook

2023-03-20T23:20:05Z

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|adaptation by=[[Quinlan B. Lee]]
|pagecount=36
|ISBN=978-0545098403
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The Autobots get put in wacky hijinks to teach the young reader about sight words.

==Activities==
* [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] made a mess with his wrecking ball! Can [[You|you]] fill out the missing letters?
* Think you feel the need for speed like [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]? Try unscrambling these words!
* [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] somehow can't make out basic words while trying to snoop on Megatron's conversations.
* Put together pipes for [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]], or [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|the Ark]] will short-circuit.
* Help [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]] dodge word bombs.
* Put these words into alphabetical order so [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] can relearn them.
* Follow clues to help Bulkhead figure out what color paints he needs to buy.
* Optimus and [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] are opposites, and words can be too! Match the words to their antonyms!
* Help Ratchet rebuild a highway overpass in [[Detroit]] with a word path!
* Turn these words into different ones, using [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]]'s gimmick as an example.

==Notes==
* If you didn't know what a [[w:Sight word|sight word]] was, it's a recent theory about memorizing basic words for children to read faster.
[[Image:Animated Sight Words Workbook Certificate.jpg|right|200px|thumb|This is going on my wall with my Harvard certificate.]]

[[Category:Animated activity books|Sight Words Workbook]]

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2023-03-20T23:19:15Z

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2023-03-20T22:29:30Z

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|adaptation by=[[Quinlan B. Lee]]
|pagecount=36
|ISBN=978-0545098403
|printed in=
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The Autobots get put in wacky hijinks to teach the young reader about sight words.

==Activities==
* [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] made a mess with his wrecking ball! Can [[You|you]] fill out the missing letters?
* Think you feel the need for speed like [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]? Try unscrambling these words!
* [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] somehow can't make out basic words while trying to snoop on Megatron's conversations.
* Put together pipes for [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]], or [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|the Ark]] will short-circuit.
* Help [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]] dodge word bombs.
* Put these words into alphabetical order so [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] can relearn them.
* Follow clues to help Bulkhead figure out what color paints he needs to buy.
* Optimus and [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] are opposites, and words can be too! Match the words to their antonyms!
* Help Ratchet rebuild a highway overpass in [[Detroit]] with a word path!
* Turn these words into different ones, using [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]]'s gimmick as an example.

==Notes==
* If you didn't know what a [[w:sight word]] was, it's a recent theory about memorizing basic words for children to read faster.
[[Image:Animated Sight Words Workbook Certificate.jpg|right|200px|thumb|This is going on my wall with my Harvard certificate.]]

[.[.Category:Animated activity books|Sight Words Workbook.].]

User:Gigirassy/Sandbox

2023-03-20T22:29:06Z

Gigirassy:

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|adaptation by=[[Quinlan B. Lee]]
|pagecount=36
|ISBN=978-0545098403
|printed in=
}}

The Autobots get put in wacky hijinks to teach the young reader about sight words.

==Activities==
* [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] made a mess with his wrecking ball! Can [[You|you]] fill out the missing letters?
* Think you feel the need for speed like [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]? Try unscrambling these words!
* [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] somehow can't make out basic words while trying to snoop on Megatron's conversations.
* Put together pipes for [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]], or [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|the Ark]] will short-circuit.
* Help [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]] dodge word bombs.
* Put these words into alphabetical order so [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] can relearn them.
* Follow clues to help Bulkhead figure out what color paints he needs to buy.
* Optimus and [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] are opposites, and words can be too! Match the words to their antonyms!
* Help Ratchet rebuild a highway overpass in [[Detroit]] with a word path!
* Turn these words into different ones, using [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]]'s gimmick as an example.

==Notes==
* If you didn't know what a [[w:sight word]] was, it's a recent theory about memorizing basic words for children to read faster.
[[Image:Animated Sight Words Workbook Certificate.jpg|right|200px|thumb|This is going on my wall with my Harvard certificate.]]

[[Category:Animated activity books|Sight Words Workbook]]

User:Gigirassy/Sandbox

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Gigirassy:

File:Animated Sight Words Workbook Certificate.jpg

2023-03-20T22:23:23Z

Gigirassy: The most important of certifications, from the Transformers Animated Sight Words Workbook. {{hastak}}

The most important of certifications, from the [[Transformers Animated Sight Words Workbook]].
{{hastak}}

File:Transformers Animated Sight Words Workbook.jpg

2023-03-20T22:21:19Z

Gigirassy: The cober to the Transformers Animated Sight Words Workbook. {{hastak}}

The cober to the [[Transformers Animated Sight Words Workbook]].
{{hastak}}

NAIL protester

2023-03-12T23:00:23Z

Gigirassy: https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/please-stop-using-the-term-spirit-animal

{{noname-nickname}}
:''The NAIL protester is a [[NAIL]] from the [[2005 IDW continuity|2005 IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:NAILProtesterShadowplay.jpg|thumb|200px|''The people's Autobrand is deepest red...'']]
The '''NAIL protester''' doesn't like Autobots.

==Fiction==
===2005 IDW continuity===
Four million years ago, the NAIL protester spoke at the [[Jhiaxian Academy of Advanced Technology|J.A.A.T. Lectures]] against [[Nova Prime]]'s population augmentation program, saying it had given Cybertron a legacy of energon shortages and virulent racism. He said it should not matter if a Transformer was forged or constructed. These lectures were televised and viewed by at least [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]], if extremely briefly. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}}

[[File:NAILProtesterDoOP.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
The NAIL protester left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to escape the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. When he returned to Cybertron, he was notably displeased with the way things were working out, and took to the streets to make his message known. While protesting, he and his fellow [[NAIL]]s were attacked by [[Decepticon]]s let loose by [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] as crowd control. When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] stepped forward and the fighting stopped, the NAIL protester listened intently to the Autobot leader's words as he stepped down from command, and exiled himself from Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime}}

[[File:LiarsAtoDpt1 rigor morphis.jpg|right|thumb|350px]]
In an act of defiance, the NAIL protester set himself up outside of the temporary Autobot base at the crashed [[Kimia Facility]] and transformed repeatedly, until his [[Transformation cog]] burned out and he died. After being brought to [[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]] for an autopsy, [[Rigor morphis]] set in on the NAIL protester's body, reverting him to his body's preferred form, his vehicle mode. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}}

==Notes==
*His vehicle mode rather resembles [[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys#Generations|''War for Cybertron'' Bumblebee]].

[[Category:Comic-only Transformers]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Transformers]]
[[Category:Neutrals]]

Anatomic euphemism

2023-03-08T17:17:49Z

Gigirassy:

{{disambigr|Lugnuts|the Decepticon from ''Cybertron''|Lugnutz}}

Because most Transformers fiction is aimed at kids, and most Transformers don't have organic squishy bits, the fiction has introduced a lot of '''anatomic euphemisms''' for assorted bits of human anatomy, especially the one you sit on. Most are real mechanical or electronic terms, and also presumably real parts of [[:Category:Transformer anatomy|Transformer anatomy]]. A few are ''also'' the ''names'' of Transformers. This is probably akin to being named {{w|Dick Trickle}} or {{w|Alfred Mosher Butts|Alfred Butts}}.

==Actuator==
"Blow it out your actuator, [[Blitzwing (Animated)|three-face]]."
:—'''[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]''', "[[Transform and Roll Out]]", ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated cartoon]]''

"Collaborate, my actuator!"
:—'''[[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]]''', "[[Decepticon Air]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"You're tickling my actuators!"
:—'''[[Fixit (RID)|Fixit]]''', "[[Brainpower]]", ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' cartoon

==Afterburner==
"Now, let's kick afterburners!"
:—'''[[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]]''', "[[Aerial Assault]]", [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' cartoon]]

"Say uncle, or I'll shove your nose in your afterburner!"
:—'''[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]]''', "[[City of Steel (episode)|City of Steel]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

"Kiss your afterburners goodbye, [[Decepticon]] slime!!"
:—'''[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]''', "[[The Rebirth, Part 3]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

"If I take out Optimus Prime, even Starscream's gonna have to kiss my afterburners."
:—'''[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]''', ''unknown episode'', [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]]

''See also [[Afterburner (disambiguation)|any of the characters named Afterburner]].''

==Asynchronous transfer adapter==
"Aww! My asynchronous transfer adapter is killing me."
:—'''[[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]]''' as he rubbed his back, "[[Destructive Power]]", [[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|''Energon'' cartoon]]

==Bearing==
"[[Dinobot (BW)|This guy]]'s got bearings of chrome steel."
:—'''[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]''', "[[Beast Wars (Part 1)]]", ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars cartoon]]''

"I can't believe that [[Grimlock (G1)|dino-dummy]] has got the bearings to show his backstabbing mug around here."
:—'''[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]''', "[[New World Order]]", [[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)|Generation 1 comic]]

"What if there was ''one [[Insignia|badge]]'' for ''all of us''? And instead of fighting each other, we attack those that put us here... and we take what is ours! Would ''you'' have the ''bearings'' for that?"
:—'''[[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]],''' [[Megatron Origin issue 3|''Megatron Origin'' #3]]

"Starscream's the kind that would kill you in your sleep. At least Megatron has the ball bearings to do it to your face."
:—'''[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]''', ''[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers The Game]]''

"Pretty big bearings. For a human..."
:—'''[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]]''' on Agent Fowler, "[[Darkness Rising, Part 2]]", [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|''Prime'' cartoon]]

==Boron compressor==
"We were brilliant in battle, Megatron. The [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] overwhelmed us with sheer brute force!" 
"Brilliant, my boron compressor!"
:—'''[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]''' and '''[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]''', "[[War of the Dinobots]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

==Bumper==
"My bumper! Look at what you did to my poor bumper!"
:—Unseen transformer, "[[Moving Violations]]", ''[[Transformers Timelines]]''

''See also [[Bumper (disambiguation)|Bumper]].''

==Can==
"You know where to find Decepticon mines?" 
"You didn't think I've just been sitting on my can since I've been on this rock?"
:—'''[[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] and '''[[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]]''', "[[Hurt]]", [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|''Prime'' cartoon]]

==Clutch==
"Look out the clutch-munching window!"
:-'''[[Rook (Universe)|Rook]]''', "[[Derailment]]", "[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]"

==Command module==
"Stick it in your command module, [[Tarantulas (BW)|eight-eyes]]."
:—'''[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]''', "[[Power Surge (episode)|Power Surge]]", ''Beast Wars'' cartoon

==Crankcase==
"Sorry about yankin' your crankcase."
:—'''[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]''', "[[Total Meltdown]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

''See also [[Crankcase (disambiguation)|Crankcase]].''

==Diode==
"Aw, go ding your diodes and get defunct, Megatron. I'm not helping you do zilch."
:—'''[[Gears (G1)|Gears]]''', "[[Changing Gears]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

"Me Grimlock here again, Optimus Prime, to pull your diodes out of laser fire."
:—'''[[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]]''', "[[Atlantis, Arise!]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

"[[Chumley]], you're one royal pain in the diode."
:—'''[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]''', "[[Prime Target (episode)|Prime Target]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

"I'll rip you to pieces with my ''bare claws,'' tear out your [[Circuit (circuit)|circuits]] with my ''teeth,'' and spit your diodes ''back'' at you!"
:—'''[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]''' (hopefully using a different definition of "diodes") to [[Unicron]], "[[On the Edge of Extinction!]]", [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel ''The Transformers'' comic]]

"Those bureaucratobots couldn't find their own diodes with a bitmap and a homing beacon."
:—'''[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]''' talks behind the council's back, "[[Decepticon Air]]", ''Animated'' cartoon.

"Have you blown a diode?! I'm trying to work here!!"
:—'''[[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]]''', "[[Endgame, Part I]]", ''Animated'' cartoon.

==Engine block==
"Woah, somebody's got a huge chip on his engine block"
:—'''[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]''' to [[Dirt Boss (Animated)|Dirt Boss]], "[[Three's a Crowd]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

==Exhaust port==
"Tell Megatron to blow it out his exhaust port. We're having a demolition derby."
:—'''[[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]]''' mouthing off, "[[Starscream's Brigade]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

"Nothing, my exhaust port."
:—'''[[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]]''', "[[Mercenary Pursuits]]", [[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|''Beast Machines'' cartoon]]

"Have [[Bumblebee (Animated)|you]] got your processor up your exhaust port?"
:—'''[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]''', "[[Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"You overgrown Autobot! I will scramble your circuits so bad you'll need a GPS scanner to find your own exhaust port—"
:—'''[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Hothead Blitzwing]]''' to [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]], "[[A Bridge Too Close, Part II]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"Suck. My. Exhaust. Pipe."
:—'''[[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]''' to [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]], "[[At the Last Second]]", ''[[Transformers: Titans Return (cartoon)|Titans Return]]'' cartoon

==Fan belt==
"[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]]! [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Elita-1]]! Get your fan belts in gear!"
:—'''[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]''', "[[Along Came a Spider]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

==Fuel pump==
"[[Scrounge (G1)|Scrounge]] wasn't much of a warrior, but he had a fuel pump as big as a planet."
:—'''[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]''', "[[Crater Critters]]", Marvel ''The Transformers'' comic

==Gearbox==
"What's with you two? ''[Gestures toward pants area.]'' Is my gearbox hangin' out or somethin'?"
:—'''Rattrap''', "[[Aftermath]]", ''Beast Wars'' cartoon

==Hard drive==
"So, [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], take your order, ''and'' your condescending attitude, and stick 'em in your hard drive! You're on ''my'' turf now!"
:—'''[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]''', "[[The Elite Guard]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

==Joystick==
"They're on my tail!" 
"Oh, [[Cheetor (BW)|pussycat]], you really know how to tickle my joystick."
:—'''[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]''' and '''[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]''', "[[Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)]]", ''Beast Wars'' cartoon

==Lubricant==
{{main|Lubricant}}
"Leaking lubricants!"
:—'''[[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]]''', "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

"[[Mojo|He]]'s leaked lubricants all over my foot!"
:—'''[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]''', ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' film

"[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]! Stop lubricating [[Seymour Simmons|the man]]!"
:—'''[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]''', ''Transformers'' film

==Lugnuts==
"The other equipment has been salvaged, but you took the [[Vok|alien]] [[Transmetal driver]]. Where is it?" 
"Gone. Ain't that a kick in the lugnuts?"
:—'''[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]]''' and '''[[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]]''', "[[Feral Scream Part 2]]", ''Beast Wars'' cartoon

''See also [[Lugnut (disambiguation)|Lugnut]].''

==Magna fuses==
"Kiss your magna fuses goodbye, Autobots!"
:—'''Megatron''', "[[Fire on the Mountain (episode)|Fire on the Mountain]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

==Manifold==
"I've got the plan, if all of you've got the cast-iron manifolds for it."
:—'''[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]''', "[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 1]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

"I don't like the idea of Megatron getting the [[antimatter]] formula. He can't be trusted!" 
"Sure can't, manifold-mouth!"
:—'''Starscream''' and '''[[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]]''', "[[Roll for It]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

"We should have been allies, you know. Imagine what we could have accomplished. But you never had the manifolds to do what needed to be done." 
"I have the manifolds to stand up for those who cannot stand for themselves."
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Optimus Prime''', ''[[Transformers: Devastation]]''

==Motherboard==
"Let's go kick their motherboards."
:—'''[[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari Sumdac]]''', "[[Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"Scruples? You'd sell your own motherboard to the highest bidder."
:—'''[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]''' sums up [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]], "[[SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"[[Bumblebee (Animated)|You]], sound-off. Why do you want to be here?" 
"To be an Elite Guard warrior and kick Decepticon [[#Skidplate|skidplate]], sir!" 
"You couldn't kick my motherboard if I held it in front of your foot."
:—'''[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Minor]]''', "[[Autoboot Camp]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"You're a few microchips short of a motherboard."
:-'''[[Rook (Universe)|Rook]]''', "[[Derailment]]", ''Beast Wars: Uprising''

==Nodes==
"Way to go, numb nodes!"
:—'''[[Wasp]]''', "[[Autoboot Camp]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"Put me down you [[Jetfire (Animated)|numb]] [[Jetstorm (Animated)|nodes]]!"
:—'''[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]''', "[[Predacons Rising (Animated)|Predacons Rising]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

==Piston==
"Give me that or I'll pulverize your pistons!"
:—'''[[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]]''', "[[Megatron Rising - Part 1]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"Don't just stand around with your pistons in your servos!"
:—'''[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]''', "[[Predacons Rising (Animated)|Predacons Rising]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"They've been the biggest pumping pistons in the galaxy since before I was spat into this world."
:-'''[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]]''', "[[Cultural Appropriation]]", ''Beast Wars: Uprising''

==Piston rod==
"We wanted to ''thank'' you for all that extra ''punishment,'' piston rod!"
:—'''[[Wasp]]''', "[[Autoboot Camp]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

==Poppet valve==
"If '''that's''' how you want to play this... ...which one of you '''poppet valves''' is '''next'''?"
:-'''[[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]]''', "[[Devisive]]",''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'' comic

"It's about time I get a '''rematch''' with these '''poppet valves'''."
:-'''[[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]]''', "[[Second Exodus]]",''The Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' comic

==Reactor linkage==
"I repeat, Decepticons—surrender, or face the consequences!" 
"Yeah, and we repeat—''go stuff it up your reactor linkage!''"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''[[Tailwind (G1)|Tailwind]]''', "[[The Resurrection Gambit!]]", Marvel ''The Transformers'' comic

==Skidplate==
"Yeah? And you can just [[kiss]] my skidplate, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|fearless leader]]. 'Cause I ain't goin' out there and gettin' ''my'' pelt punctured!"
:—'''Rattrap''',<ref>We sure do get a lot of these from Rattrap, don't we?</ref> "[[Beast Wars (Part 1)]]", ''Beast Wars'' cartoon

"You know me, I can't resist the upgrades." 
"And you know me, Masterson. I can't resist kicking your skidplate!"
:—'''[[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]]''' and '''Optimus Prime''', "[[The Return of the Headmaster]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

==Solenoid==
"That's 'cause we kicked their sorry solenoids!"
:—'''[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]''', "[[The Elite Guard]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"The [[Elite Guard]] has done nothing but bust our solenoids since they got here!"
:—'''Bumblebee''', "[[Mission Accomplished]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

==Sparkplug(s)==
"The Arctic? Great. Another chance to freeze our sparkplugs off."
:—'''[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]]''', "[[Out of His Head]]", ''Prime'' cartoon

==Sprocket==
"Blow it out your sprocket, '''<nowiki>'Chosen One.'</nowiki>'''"
:—'''[[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]]''', "[[City on Fire]]", ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]''

''See also [[Sprocket (G1)]].''

==Strut==
"Strutless cowards!"
:—'''[[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]]''', [[Infiltration issue 6|''Infiltration'' #6]]

"Strutless fool. She's nothing."
:—'''[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]]''', [[Spotlight: Arcee]]

==Tailgate==
"Let's kick tailgate!"
:—'''[[Rumble (G1)|one]]''' '''[[Frenzy (G1)|of]]''' '''[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave's]]''' '''[[FIRRIB|cassettes]]''', ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''

''See also [[Tailgate (disambiguation)]].''

==Tailpipe==
"Now they've got their tailpipes between their legs!"
:—'''[[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]]''', "[[Quest for Survival]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

"Hey, if [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|you]] took that broomstick out of your tailpipe every once in a while, you might have some ''fun'' for a change!"
:—'''Rattrap''', "[[The Agenda (Part 1)]]", ''Beast Wars'' cartoon

"Whoa! What crawled up ''[[Ratchet (Animated)|your]]'' tailpipe?"
:—'''Bumblebee''', "[[The Thrill of the Hunt]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"Come back here so that I can pull your pistons out through ''[[Autobot|your]]'' tailpipes!"
:—'''Hothead Blitzwing''', "[[Sari, No One's Home]]", ''Animated'' cartoon

"What crawled up his tailpipe and died?"
:—'''Miko''', "[[Regeneration (Prime)|Regeneration]]", ''Transformers: Prime'' cartoon

==Thruster==
"Fine. Whatever makes you a happy Decepticon. Just watch your rear thruster."
:—'''Rodimus Prime''', "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

==Transistor==
"If you guys don't give me my circuit back, I'm gonna start kickin' transistor!"
:—'''Gears''', "Changing Gears", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

"We are in deep transistor parts!"
:—'''[[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]]''', "[[Day of the Machines]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

==Turbocharger==
"I'm goin', too. I'm gonna boot some Decepticon right in his turbocharger."
:—'''[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]]''', "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]", ''The Transformers'' cartoon

==Vent==
"Cram it in your vent, ya '''[[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|psychopath]]'''!"
:—'''[[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]]''', [[Megatron Origin issue 3|''Megatron Origin'' #3]]

==Waste-disposal unit==
"Waspinator find [[Tarantulas (BW)|Spider-bot]] and tear him a new waste-disposal unit!"
:—'''[[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]''', "[[Other Voices, Part 1]]", ''Beast Wars'' cartoon

==Footnotes==
<references />

[[Category:Curses]]
[[Category:Transformer anatomy]]
[[Category:Transformer culture]]

Nightshade

2023-03-05T12:03:18Z

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#REDIRECT [[Nightshade (ES)]]

British monarchy

2023-02-11T19:53:48Z

Gigirassy:

[[File:KingBurns King Charles.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]

As leaders of the people of the [[United Kingdom]], the '''British monarchy''' have occasionally found themselves involved in the [[Transformer]]s' [[Great War (G1)|conflict]] on [[Earth]].

==Fiction==
===''Shattered Glass''===
In the early 21st century of [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|a strange and backward universe]], the British desired to invade the [[United States of America]], though the Queen argued against bombing the very land she wished to conquer. {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}}

===''Be the Hero'' books===
{{notemultipath}}
====Time-Quake====
Upon accidentally traveling from the 18th century to the 22nd century, [[John Hawkins]] mistook [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] for being some mechanical trick of [[King George|King George III]], enemy of the early United States. {{storylink|Time-Quake}}

===''Wings Universe''===
When [[Clench (G1)|Clench]]'s [[Decepticon Syndicate]] attempted to kidnap and ransom the Queen of England, UK citizen [[Pyro (G1)|Pyro Ignatius Spark]] gathered his own team of [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Second Generation]] [[Autobot]]s to rescue Her Majesty. Pyro was subsequently knighted by the Queen for this brave act. {{storylink|Generation 2: Redux|Clench's profile}}

===''Rescue Bots'' cartoon===
In the 17th century, [[King Charles|King Charles I]] was so impressed at [[Horace Burns]]'s heroic service, that he made [[Griffin Rock]] a Protectorate of the Crown and named him King Horace the First. Burns turned it down in favor of installing some sort of weird democracy. {{storylink|King Burns}}

===''The Last Knight'' film===
Both Queen [[Elizabeth I]] and Queen [[Victoria]] were members of the [[Order of the Witwiccans]], a secret society who knew of the presence of Transformers on [[Earth]] and worked to keep their secret. Portraits of both queens were included in [[Edmund Burton]]'s collection of Witwiccan/Cybertronian artifacts.

Upon meeting the new [[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom|Prime Minister]], Sir [[Edmund Burton]] cited his military service in Her Majesty's [[Royal Navy]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

==Notes==
*For the first 38 years of the [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'' brand]], {{w|Elizabeth II}} was the Queen of the United Kingdom. She is likely the unnamed ''Wings Universe'' queen in the 2000s and ''The Last Knight'' queen in the 2020s while it is less clear if this is true of ''Shattered Glass''.
**Shortly before her passing, one of the last things she had signed off on were the Royal Mail Transformers stamps.
*The term "{{w|Queen of England}}" is often used erroneously by foreigners in modern times. As Wikipedia explains, "of England" stopped being the official parlance when England and Scotland {{w|Acts of Union 1707|united}} in 1707. Similarly, [[King Arthur]] and [[Canute|Cnut the Great]] are not listed above on this page because they predate the founding of the {{w|Kingdom of England}} in the year 927.
*The thinking by [[James Roberts]] in the [[2005 IDW continuity|2005-2018 IDW comics]] is that by [[Nominus Prime]]'s time, the [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]s had become like the Queen: a constitutional leader but with the government having more of the power.<ref>[http://www.transmissionspodcast.com/2015/03/transmissions-episode-94-james-roberts-mtmte-elegant-chaos-interview/ TransMissions Episode 94 – James Roberts MTMTE Elegant Chaos Interview] 1:09:06 to 1:09:50</ref>

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*{{w|Monarchy of the United Kingdom}} at Wikipedia

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[[Category:Queens]]
[[Category:Ranks]]
[[Category:Real people]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass humans]]
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Phoning It In

2023-02-06T08:57:16Z

Gigirassy: replaced this word because of its controversial origins

{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: BotBots (cartoon)|Transformers: BotBots]]'' ep 3a
|image=BotBots-PhoningItIn-Rage.jpg
|caption=The Lost Bots do their best impressions of the Langoliers.
|prev=I, Cheeseburger (episode)
|next=The Lost Bots and the Claw Crusade
|title="Phoning It In"
|airdate=[[March 25]], [[2022]]
|production company=[[Entertainment One]]
|writer=[[Taneka Stotts]]
|animation studio=[[Boulder Media Studio]]
|directors=[[Paul O'Flanagan]]
|video=https://www.netflix.com/watch/81455905
|videosite=Netflix
}}

'''Debilitating addiction and interpersonal discord? There's an app for that.'''

==Synopsis==
Hey you! Yes, ''[[you]]!'' You wanna be ''famous''?! Because the [[Mall (BotBots)|mall]] is looking to cast hip young trendsetters to appear in their video ads, probably because the average shopping mall has been in a tailspin since the mid-1990s. Mallgoers just have to submit their pics via the ''[[MallFace]]'' app, with the user who gets the most likes becoming their new star! And no one wants to be mall famous more than [[Dave (BotBots)|Dave]], who immediately starts taking some...questionable but well-intentioned selfies. When the first batch of pics fails to get any likes, he decides to try adding some action poses to the mix instead. Not far away, [[Clogstopper]] has purposefully gotten himself stuck to a wall as part of his "hobby", and the [[Lost Bots]] are standing on a railing and attempting to pull him free. [[Dimlit]] attempts to warn them of Dave's photography nearby, but is interrupted as Clogstopper finally comes loose and all five topple off the railing, getting caught in several of Dave's snapshots on their way down. Thankfully, before he can look at his photos, Dave is interrupted by an important notification...his midnight snack alarm! As he wanders off, the Lost Bots begin to panic, knowing that they will never be forgiven by the others if their secret is exposed, with [[Burgertron]] even assuming they will be sacrificed to <s>the waste incinerator</s> "the fiery dumpster from which none return"! With no time to waste, the five rush to Dave's office.

As they watch Dave play with his food, they attempt to use Clogstopper to launch [[Kikmee]] onto Dave's desk and knock away his phone, but only succeed in bouncing her back at themselves. Fortunately, [[Bonz-Eye]] remembers that Dave's snack breaks are always followed by a nap break and simply retrieves the phone from his desk while he sleeps. Unfortunately, the phone is password-protected, so they carry it back with them to the [[Lost and Found (BotBots)|Lost and Found]]. When they get back, Clogstopper's "hacking skills" unlock the phone with his first guess of...1111111. Once they're in, Burgertron quickly moves the offending photos to the trash. Before he can order the others to take it back, however, Dimlit finds a puzzle game app on the phone and becomes completely enamored, frantically matching cookies to make them disappear. Burgertron attempts to stop him, as they don't want Dave to start rampaging around the mall looking for his missing phone, but the poor flashlight is already too far gone. Kikmee similarly tries to drag him away from the screen, but he hooks her in with a sports game app, and Kikmee too becomes entranced as she begins to live out her gridiron fantasies in 8-bit. Eager to find something for himself, Clogstopper discovers the ''[[Mer-chants]]'' shopping app and begins swimming through a metaphorical ocean of great deals and low prices. Bonz-Eye attempts to assist Burgertron in taking the phone back, but discovers the ''[[Mindfulness]]'' mediation app and becomes lost in the alluring whale song of a calm mind.

[[File:BotBots ep3a Phoning - Daaaaaave.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Ooh you touch my tralala.]]
Burgertron chastises them all, reminding them that Dave is going to want the phone back so he can submit his pics to ''MallFace'', but when he opens the app and actually sees Dave's pics, he realizes how terrible they all are and decides to do some...light touch-ups. One photo-editing montage later, Dave's pic has never looked better and Burgertron is consumed by the feeling of power and control the editing suite gives him. He decides that they could borrow the phone for a ''little'' longer...and they can hide it in ''his'' cubby-hole. This doesn't sit well with the other Lost Bots, who each believe it would be better off staying with them. As they grapple for the phone, their fantasies begin to overlap in a chaotic hodge-podge, consumed by sheer discord. Before they can argue further, the phone runs out of power and the five bots see their reflections in its screen, twisted by their own rage. Horrified at what they have become, Burgertron acknowledges their selfishness...but decides that it's clearly the phone's fault for corrupting them, something the others are quick to concur with.

The Lost Bots decide to hurl the phone into "the fiery dumpster from which none return" to purge the world of its evil...only for the phone to transform back into [[Ring-A-Ling]] at the last moment, much to everyone's shock. Terrified and infuriated, Ring-A-Ling chews them out for not realizing the truth, pointing out that she has done nothing but help them all night, including setting off Dave's alarm to distract him, unlocking herself, and faking her power loss so they would snap out of their obsession. Reminding them that they should be setting their own boundaries, Ring-A-Ling declares they are beyond help and returns to Dave's pocket, waking him from his nap. To his surprise, a notification informs him that his ''MallFace'' likes have risen significantly. Back in the Lost and Found, the Lost Bots feel guilty for letting themselves get so obsessed, acknowledging their fault in doing so...all except Burgertron, who has refused to learn anything and instead decided it's Dave's fault for owning the phone in the first place. As they transform back to their [[alternate mode]]s before the mall opens, the last bot crosses the finish line as Clogstopper declares his suspicion that ''the phone was a bot the whole time''. The next morning, Dave is attempting to film ads for the mall, but ends up constantly tripping over both his words and a nearby cable. As a microphone falls on him, the production crew calls "cut" and wonder to themselves how the man could have ''possibly'' gotten so many likes, noting he doesn't even resemble his photo...

==Featured characters==
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* [[Bonz-Eye]] (4)
* [[Dimlit]] (5)
* [[Clogstopper]] (6)
* [[Spud Muffin]] (7)
* [[Fomo]] (8)
* [[Ulf the Orange]] (9)
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==Quotes==
"You're one pic away from being the best kind of famous: '''MALL FAMOUS!'''" 
"Oh man, ''MALL FAMOUS?!'' It does ''not'' get better than that!"
:—A very convincing '''''MallFace''''' video ad gets its hooks into '''Dave'''.

"All my best ideas are bad ideas!"
:—'''Clogstopper''' in a nutshell.

"I believe his mantra is 'it's almost nap-o'clock somewhere.'"
:—'''Bonz-Eye''' knows Dave all too well.

"But the cookies must find their twins! '''THEIR ONLY PURPOSE!'''" [''laughs maniacally'']
:—'''Dimlit''' gets into the game.

"How can they afford to sell a used case of creamed corn that cheap?"
:—'''Clogstopper''' has an eye for bargains.

"With every deep breath, focus your unending rage. [...] Only sweat the big things, and they are all big things."
:—The '''''Mindfulness''''' app becomes slightly less calming.

"We have moral centers and solid attention spans! It's ''obviously'' the phone's fault!"
:—'''Burgertron''' deflects harder than the [[Skyboom (Armada)|Skyboom Shield]].

==Notes==
===Real-world references===
* Dave acts out a tragic romance scene with his snacks that bears remarkable resemblance to the ending of ''[[Titanic]]''.
* Dimlit's matching game is based on the countless matching puzzle games clogging up app stores everywhere, most prominently ''{{w|Candy Crush}}''.
* ''Mer-chants'' is based on bargain-buy apps like {{w|Wish (company)|Wish}}, which have a reputation for selling... ''questionable'' merchandise.
* ''Mindfulness'' is based on the ''{{w|Calm (company)|Calm}}'' meditation app, which previously released the "[[History of the Transformers]]" sleep story.
* The Lost Bots attempting to throw the phone into the incinerator may be a reference to Frodo and Samwise attempting to throw the One Ring into Mount Doom in ''{{w|The Return of the King}}''; Burgertron even refers to it as "my precious" at one point, a la Gollum.
===Animation and technical errors===
* In the French dub, after Burgertron presents Dave's edited photo, Bonz-Eye's line is missing despite her mouth visibly moving.
* The Descriptive Audio identifies the mascot of the Mer-chants app as a djinni instead of a merman.

===Trivia===
* This is actually the second ''Transformers'' episode to confront the dangers of {{w|Problematic smartphone use|phone addiction}}, the first being the ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (cartoon)|Rescue Bots Academy]]'' episode "[[Screen Time]]".

===Foreign localization===
'''French'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Le téléphone volé'''" ("The stolen telephone")

'''Brazilian Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Ligados no telefone'''" ("Addicted to the phone")

'''European Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Obsessão telefónica'''" ("Phone obsession")

'''Arabic'''
:*''Title:'' "'''فتور الهمّة'''" ("apathy")

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:BotBots episodes]]

Prowl (Animated)

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{{disambig3|Prowl}}
:''Prowl is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Animated continuity family]].''
[[Image:Animated_Prowl_character_model.jpg|right|230px|thumb|True warriors must move like water. NINJA water.]]

Some people are team players, and some... well, aren't. '''Prowl''' falls into the latter category. A loner at heart, he has little interest in teamwork, something [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] finds extremely frustrating. Prowl feels cooperation with the [[Bumblebee (Animated)|loud]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|unsubtle]] Autobots around him would cramp his style: a keen [[Cyber-Ninja Corps|Cyber-Ninja]] prowess with elements of [[Circuit-Su]]<ref>Prowl's on-package [[bio]]</ref> and [[Metallikato]].<ref name="TEG">"[[The Elite Guard]]"</ref>

Seemingly bound up in his martial-arts philosophy is his deep, deep fascination with [[Earth]]'s natural environment. His quarters on [[Earth]] is missing most of its ceiling, allowing him a permanent window into nature. In fact, he seems to have a deeper appreciation of his new surroundings than the [[human]]s who grew up with them. The phrase "stop and smell the roses" is a life truth for Prowl, and he can spend hours motionless, watching the organic world play out around him.

When called to battle, Prowl uses an array of throwing weapons, such as cutting discs, that he can hurl with high accuracy. While useful as projectiles, these weapons tend to be far more damaging at close range and will occasionally bounce off their target with little damage if thrown from too great a distance. He can project [[hologram]]s of himself, using them to misdirect his enemies. He also has a jetpack, granting him limited flight.

Prowl is probably the most skilled fighter of his comrades, but this might not be saying much, as they were a mere [[space bridge]] repair crew before finding themselves suddenly defending the [[AllSpark]] against the resurgent [[Decepticon]]s.<ref>"[[Transform and Roll Out]]"</ref> In fact, [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]], witnessing him in action, remarked that Prowl must not have ''finished'' his cyber ninja training.<ref name="TEG">"[[The Elite Guard]]"</ref> The true story is more complex: having failed to protect the infant protoforms,<ref>"[[Five Servos of Doom]]"</ref> Prowl ended his studies in disgrace, seeking to commune with the Allspark. His quest for redemption and inner peace has ended in failure...so far.

{{bigquote|Stillness... then ''strike''.|Prowl getting past motion detectors|"[[Home Is Where the Spark Is]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
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{{voiceactor|[[Jeff Glen Bennett]] (English), [[Kōji Yusa]] (Japanese)|[[Lutz Schnell]] (German), [[Louis van Beek]] (Dutch), [[Gianluca Iacono]] (Italian), [[Junseok Song]] (Korean), [[Fritz Gianvitto]] (Portuguese), [[Rodrigo de la Paz]] (Latin-American Spanish, seasons 1 and 2), [[Mario Gutiérrez]] (Latin-American Spanish, season 3), [[Suso Álvarez]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Joonas Suominen]] (Finnish), [[Vincent Violette]] (French)}}

[[Image:TFA Five Servos Yoketron vs Prowl.JPG|thumb|left|300px|This looks ''way'' more exciting in motion.]]

Prowl tried to avoid being drafted into fighting in the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]], but was apprehended by [[Warpath (Animated)|Warpath]] and taken to [[Yoketron (Animated)|Yoketron]]'s [[Cyber-Ninja Dojo|dojo]]. Seeing potential in the young 'bot, Yoketron offered to teach Prowl in exchange for dropping the charges against him. Despite some initial difficulties, Prowl soon became an accomplished martial artist, and eventually Yoketron deemed him worthy of a place in the [[Cyber-Ninja Corps]]. After receiving the shurikens that would become his signature weapons, Yoketron showed Prowl a hidden room in the dojo, accessible only via the advanced [[processor-over-matter]] technique. This room contained the [[protoform]]s the Cyber-Ninja Corps had sworn to protect, a last-ditch reserve of potential soldiers should [[Project Omega]] fail. However, Prowl proved unable to operate the door, and Yoketron thus sent him on an optics quest to master the skill and become a true Cyber-Ninja.

Prowl continued to struggle with the technique, however, and on returning to the dojo he discovered that an [[Lockdown (Animated)|unknown assailant]] had ransacked the dojo, stolen the protoforms, and mortally wounded Yoketron. Prowl attempted to save his master's life by transferring Yoketron's [[spark]] into the last remaining protoform, but only managed to make his master unhappy by sacrificing a little of the future to save the past. Assured by Yoketron that he would understand some day, Prowl watched his sensei's spark expire and mourned his loss. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}}

[[File:TransformAndRollOut-Prowljetpack.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]

Determined to find a way to finish his training, Prowl eventually left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] entirely aboard his own personal [[Dawn Treader|starship]] and secluded himself in deep space for at least a million stellar cycles in the hopes of communing with the [[AllSpark]]. While meditating on a remote asteroid, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]'s [[space bridge]] repair crew stumbled across the Cyber-Ninja. [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] promised to work around him, but an [[energon cube]] set by [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] fell into the cavern and accidentally destroyed Prowl's ship. Stranded, Prowl grudgingly accepted Optimus Prime's offer to take him back to Cybertron after completing their tour of the sector, but fumed that his path had taken so many twists and turns that he didn't even know where he was... a sentiment to which Optimus Prime could relate. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

As the impromptu fifth member of Optimus Prime's repair crew aboard the starship ''[[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Orion]]'', Prowl showed a lack of interest in both teamwork and in Optimus Prime's motivational speeches. While performing some routine maintenance on a malfunctioning space bridge, the team abruptly discovered the AllSpark itself, the life-giving artifact which had been hidden offworld during the Great War. However, the presence of the AllSpark ''also'' attracted the attentions of a group of [[Decepticon]]s led by [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Determined to seize the artifact for himself, Megatron boarded the ''Orion'' and fought the Autobots inside, with Prowl responsible for cutting off one of Megatron's arms. The ship careened through the active space bridge and rematerialized over the planet [[Earth]]; though Prime managed to eject Megatron—wounded due to [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]'s sabotage—from their vessel, they were unable to stop the ship from crash-landing beneath [[Lake Erie]] and entered [[stasis pod]]s to survive.

[[File:TransformAndRollOut-Prowl.jpg|thumb|left|300px]]

Fifty years later, a glob of nanotechnological matter found its way into the vessel, which triggered the ship's autonomus systems and brought its Autobot crew back online. The Autobots decided to help the locals defend themselves from the nanotech monster wreaking havoc in nearby [[Detroit]], but mistook cars and trucks for the native life-forms and reformatted themselves into suitable disguises. The Autobots successfully took down the monster, but Prowl's refusal to work with the team led to him taking on the creature by himself and getting absorbed for his troubles. Gravely wounded, the Autobots rushed him back to their ship where Ratchet unsuccessfully tried to operate on him—it's likely that he might have died had [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari Sumdac]] not discovered the power of her [[AllSpark Key]] and used it to miraculously save his life.

Over the next few days, the Autobots settled into life on Earth, became local celebrities, and set up shop in an [[Autobot Earth Base|abandoned factory]] while Prowl discovered he had a particular fondness for the planet's organic fauna. During the team's next major battle against [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]], Prowl showed that he had become a much better team player after working with Bumblebee and Sari to save [[Isaac Sumdac (Animated)|Professor Sumdac]] and [[Carmine Fanzone|Captain Fanzone]] from the airborne Decepticon, using his thrusters to slow a falling train car. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}} {{storylink|Dispatches}}

[[File:HomeIsWhereTheSparkIs-Prowl.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]

Prowl watched a local [[Skippy|cat]] stalk a bird and found it fascinating, but was aggravated when he was interrupted by human fans. Returning to base, he hid out in his Japanese-themed room, only to be interrupted by Prime and Bumblebee. Even worse, Sari threw a slumber party, pushing Prowl to the edge with the commotion. Ironically, when [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] took over the factory, Prowl was able to show Bumblebee the value of stillness in battle, something the pair would work on later in a game of Twister. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

Prowl joined Optimus, Ratchet and Bulkhead in an attempt to learn about Earth customs by watching television. They eventually stumbled upon a program wherein [[Meltdown (Animated)|Prometheus Black]] pitted the bio-enhanced [[Colossus Rhodes]] against Bumblebee, and the other four Autobots had to come to Bumblebee's rescue after Rhodes lost control of his augmentations. Prowl managed to take down Rhodes by throwing a couple of shurikens at the pistons that triggered Rhodes's enhancements and later helped rescue Professor Sumdac after Black had become the mutated "Meltdown". Finding Sumdac Tower in defense mode upon their arrival, Prowl, Bulkhead and Ratchet were pitted against Colossus Rhodes once more. Prowl tried to take Rhodes out as he had before, only to learn that Rhodes's one weakness had been reinforced since their last encounter. The battle was eventually won when Prowl noticed that a nearby church bell's toll was interfering with Rhodes's upgrades. Using this to their advantage, the Autobots managed to defeat the villain. Through some quick thinking, the Autobots then overpowered Meltdown by using the same force-field that had kept the Autobots from reaching him beforehand. {{storylink|Total Meltdown}}

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''Bumblebee and Prowl inadvertently exposed the [[Wraith]]'s modus operandi on live television when they captured the Angry Archer. Later, when a news broadcast showed the Wraith using his holographic equipment to pass off as a ghostly figure, Bumblebee asked why the fellow couldn't just "scan a new altmode". Prowl explained that, even if the Wraith could, it would make little difference; the vigilante relied on mystery to aid him in his crime-fighting career. Since he and Bumblebee had stripped away the mystery, a change of appearance would hardly make a difference.''

''Later, when Bumblebee apprehended Colossus Rhodes, Prowl helped sign autographs for the grateful Detroiters. Later still, when the Autobots saw "Bumblebee" attack Michigan Stadium, Prowl helped clear the little Autobot's name by halting what was really a plot by the jealous Wraith. Prowl attempted to capture the Wraith as he made his getaway, only to realize he had been fooled by one of the masked vigilante's many holographic projections. Thankfully, Optimus Prime grabbed the real Wrait, who was shipped off the an asylum for treatment.'' {{storylink|The Arrival issue 2|Attention Surplus Disorder}}

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''Prowl joined the rest of the Autobots in investigating a theft at Sumdac's laboratories. They discovered that the crime in question had been committed by an industrial saboteur going by the name of "[[Stiletto (Animated)|Stiletto]]". She soon attempted to collapse Detroit's Ambassador Bridge, prompting the Autobots to leap into action. During the confrontation, Prowl used his holographic abilities to blindside Stiletto. Stiletto managed to recover quickly from Prowl's trickery. She then used trickery of her own to dupe Bumblebee into exploding a truck's payload of gasoline, rendering Prowl unconscious for the remainder of the battle. The Autobots nonetheless managed to capture Stiletto, and Prowl was later patched up at Autobot headquarters.'' {{storylink|The Arrival issue 3|Stiletto}}

''Prowl and the other Autobots had to calm Bulkhead down when Porter C. Powell began to market Bulkhead's altmode as a vehicle for the masses, and further rubbed salt in the wound by using highly-doctored footage to have Bulkhead "promote" the vehicle. Thankfully, Sari and Bulkhead proved that the vehicle wasn't safe for the everyday citizen. Prowl later watched an announcement on television declaring that the "Bulkhead" line was being recalled.'' {{storylink|The Arrival issue 4|The Insincerest Form of Flattery}}

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In an attempt to get [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] to be less bumbling and destructive after an embarrassing incident at the [[Dino Drive]] park, Prowl tried to teach Bulkhead how to move with ninja-lke grace. His unsuccessful attempts to teach Bulkhead only undermined the green Autobot's confidence, and Prowl was taken out of commission when the park's rebuilt animatronics malfunctioned and Bulkhead fell on him. Finally, when these newly minted [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]] escaped from a Sumdac lab and ran amok, Prowl realized that Bulkhead's destructive approach had its place and encouraged him to do what he did best. After the capture of the Dinobots, Prowl sensed [[spark]]s within the trio and, unwilling to let them be destroyed, secretly hid them on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|a small island]] before they were melted down. As he explained to Bulkhead, "Just because something's big and lumbering and destructive, doesn't mean you give up on it." {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}

When [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]], a bounty hunter from Ratchet's past, appeared on Earth to abduct Optimus, Prowl and the other Autobots intervened. Though Prowl got passed the defenses of [[Death's Head (Animated)|Lockdown's ship]], and got the drop on the bounty hunter with his ninja skills, Lockdown managed to shut down Prowl by using one of his trophies: Ratchet's old [[Electromagnetic pulse|EMP generator]]. Thankfully, Ratchet was immune to the device, and rescued Optimus while the other Autobots were indisposed. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}}

[[File:Nanosec-ProwlsHologram.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]

Prowl was put on a training assignment to help Bumblebee and Bulkhead learn how to better blend in with their environment. Bumblebee's impatience put an early end to the exercise, and the yellow 'bot ran afoul of [[Nanosec]], a criminal that had nearly gotten away from him the day before. Prowl was unable to stop the speedy villain when he joined in trying to apprehend him. Later, the Autobots caught news of Nanosec robbing Sumdac Laboratories and pursued him across town until Nanosec's high-tech suit accelerated his aging until he collapsed from fatigue. With his boosters, Prowl aided Bumblebee as the yellow Autobot hurled Nanosec's stolen [[Destronium]] supply into Earth's upper atmosphere, where it exploded harmlessly. Prowl asked Bumblebee if he would like to race him back to base, but Bumblebee declined, having gotten enough high-speed chases for the day. {{storylink|Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec}}

Prowl and the other Autobots attended Sari's eighth birthday party. Though he wound up entertaining Sari's guests, Sari herself was left behind with Bulkhead. A few days after the event, Sari's birthday present [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]] gained sentience and became a Decepticon, taking control of Detroits robots in an attempt to subjugate the city's human population. Prowl teamed up with Ratchet to fight back against the hostile robots, but between their sheer numbers and Soundwave interfering with their communications, the pair were soon overwhelmed until Bulkhead took out Soundwave and returned the malfucntioning robots to normal. {{storylink|Sound and Fury}}

When the Decepticons [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] arrived on Earth, the Autobots were quickly bested by the duo, and Optimus Prime decided that the AllSpark was no longer safe on the planet. When Prowl and the others headed off to fix their ship at the bottom of lake Erie, they encountered Blitzwing and Lugnut once more and fought them underwater, where their enemies couldn't use their flight powers. Optimus kicked up dirt from the bottom of the lake as cover, which Prowl used to great advantage to sneak up on and attack Blitzwing before the Autobots retreated back to their ship... which had been armed by Ratchet and Sari while Prowl and the others had bought them time. The Decepticons were blown away, and Prowl returned to their Earth base for repairs. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}

[[File:SurvivalOfTheFittest-ProwlAndFanzone.jpg|thumb|left|300px]]

Reasoning correctly that the Decepticons would target Sari to get at the AllSpark Key, Prowl took to instructing her in the art of "ninja nerve blows". It was shortly after one of these sessions that his decision to save the Dinobots seemingly came back to haunt him when the gargantuan robots kidnapped the girl. He headed to their island home with Bulkhead in tow, the suspicious [[Carmine Fanzone|Captain Fanzone]] shadowing them somewhat clumsily the whole way. However, the police captain was not prepared for the environmental hazards of the secluded island and had to be rescued by the pair of Autobots. Together, the three of them discovered that the Dinobots had been coerced into kidnapping Sari by [[Meltdown (Animated)|Prometheus Black]], whose corrosive touch they had come to fear. Forced along with Fanzone to fight the mad geneticist's [[Fusion creature|creations]] in a gladiatorial arena, Prowl began to develop a bond with the captain, who in turn came to trust Prowl. {{storylink|Survival of the Fittest}}

After his latest rescue mission ended in destructive disaster, Bulkhead attempted to pick up painting, to prove he could create as well as destroy. Prowl showed some appreciation for Bulkhead's new hobby, admiring his friend's capability of creating an image whole-cloth from his imagination... until he learned that the painting he was contemplating was, in fact, a still life depicting an "accident" Bulkhead had with Ratchet's blowtorch. Later, [[Headmaster (Animated)|Henry Masterson]], aka "The Headmaster" stole Bulkhead's body and used it to hold the entire city at ransom by threatening to overload the city's [[Sidney Biggles-Jones Memorial Solar Fusion Plant|power plant]]. Unable to overpower the Headmaster or prevent the power plant from overloading Sari the Autobots instead quickly built and animated a makeshift robot that took the fatal trip into the plant's core and halted the chain reaction from within. The city safe once more, Prowl and the other Autobots attended the successful opening of Bulkhead's art show. {{storylink|Headmaster (episode)|Headmaster}}

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When the Autobots detected a non-sentient Cybertronian energy signature form the woods outside of Detroit, Optimus sent Prowl, Bumblebee, and Sari to investigate on an impromptu "camping trip". Though Prowl felt at home in the middle of nature, his two companions weren't as well-adjusted to the change of scenery: Sari had an idealized vision of what camping was based on movies, and Bumblebee simply couldn't cope without technology. Prowl attempted to teach the other two the value of disconnecting one's self from the technological, only for the lesson to be cut short when a monstrous colony of mutant [[space barnacle]]s attacked. Prowl's attempt to fight the creature proved ineffective and he was eventually infected by the alien creatures, pursuing and eventually turning Bumblebee into a monster as well. By this time, however, Sari had found the boiler room within one of her father's mines and turned the scalding water on the Autobots to eradicate the aliens and restore them to normal. Returning to base, the Autobots came to the agreement that nature and technology could work in harmony to achieve greater things than either could on its own. {{storylink|Nature Calls}}

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When Decepticon energy signals were detected, the Autobots quickly realized that they were outnumbered. Bulkhead mentioned that the Dinobots might be able to help, not aware that Prowl hadn't told Optimus they had moved them to Dinobot Island. Prime was furious and ordered the two to take him there at once. After searching the island, the Autobots found the Dinobots. Prime's introduction was less than friendly, and Prowl was forced to smooth things over with Grimlock. They were unwilling to help, so the Autobots left, unsure of their next move. When Bumblebee contacted Prime, saying that Starscream was at Sumdac Tower, he ordered him to stand down. When they arrived at the tower, they saw Bumblebee fighting Starscream. Prime dryly noted that disobeying orders was becoming a habit, but Prowl wasn't too insulted.

He was too busy being shocked by Megatron bursting through Sumdac Tower. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

Quickly regaining their composure, the Autobots attacked, only for Megatron to defeat all three of them himself. After the battle, Sumdac revealed his role in Megatron's resurrection, explaining that he had built his robotics empire by reverse-engineering Cybertronian technology; although Prowl and the other Autobots were furious at learning this, Prime reminded them that they had other priorities. Using residual AllSpark Key energy in Sumdac's lab, the Autobots repaired themselves, and Prime apologized for his harsh words. Although Ratchet and Sari had gotten the ''Orion'' flightworthy, the ship was shot down over Dinobot Island, where the Autobots made their last stand. During the subsequent battle, Prowl noticed that [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing's]] multiple personalities were connected to his [[alternate mode]]s. To cause his hotheaded side to emerge and transform into a tank, Prowl suggested that Bumblebee use his greatest strength—his obnoxious personality. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

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Though the Autobots managed to drive off the Decepticons, the cost proved high: not only had the AllSpark been lost, its essence shattered into a thousand crystalline fragments, and not only had Isaac Sumdac disappeared, kidnapped by the Decepticons as the villains went into hiding, but the destructive battle meant that humanity now viewed the team as potential menaces, despite their best efforts to repair the damage. Eventually, [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] and several members of the Autobot [[Elite Guard]] touched down in the city, and Prowl joined the rest of the team in meeting them aboard the ''[[Sigma Supreme]]''. Unable to detect the energy signatures of the hidden Decepticons, [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] doubted the veractity of Prime's tale, and tensions nearly boiled over until the two Autobot teams worked together to quell a flood of police robots at a malfunctioning Sumdac plant. During the fight, Prowl was awed by Jazz's superior cyber-ninja skills. Prowl helped Jazz and Optimus infiltrate the plant while the others kept the drones busy, and together they removed the AllSpark shard that had caused the disaster—proving that Prime's story had some truth to it after all. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

Shortly afterwards, Sari was kicked out of her home by [[Porter C. Powell]]. Bumblebee and Bulkhead attempted to cheer up their friend after she moved in to live with the Autobots, but they botched every attempt they made. Prowl eventually felt the need to intervene, and advised the pair to simply listen to Sari. It turned out to be sound advice. {{storylink|The Return of the Headmaster}} Prowl later helped stop a runaway train powered by an AllSpark fragment. When Starscream stopped by again, Prowl was tasked with keeping civilians out of harm's way while Sentinel, Optimus and Jazz took down the AllSpark-powered Decepticon. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}} Prowl helped clear trash from the city of Detroit during a garbage dispute in an effort to mend strained Autobot/human relations. {{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out}} Later, he helped search for an AllSpark fragment, only for the mission to be interrupted by a group of illegal street racers, the Street Demons, zooming by. When one of the racers caused two others to crash, Prowl stopped to help [[Ming-Li]] out of her wrecked vehicle. {{storylink|Velocity (episode)|Velocity}}

[[Image:Samprowl.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Got to get back... Back to the past. Samurai <s>Jack</s> <s>Jazz</s> Prowl.]]

As the Autobots helped fix an overpass as part of their ongoing repair efforts, the group spotted Blitzwing and Lugnut trying to sneak off with some construction supplies and had to stay late to fix it after failing to capture the duo. That night, Bulkhead returned home with two new 'bots in tow: [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] and [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]], two former construction vehicles brought to life by a pair of AllSpark fragments. Prowl tried his best to keep Sari away from the crass duo, and her encounter with the Constructibots left her without her signature pigtails. Though these new "Constructibots" were insufferable to begin with, they became an actual threat when they allied themselves with Megatron. Now calling themselves the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicon]]s, the duo attempted to snatch away the Autobots' AllSpark fragments for their new boss, but Bulkhead was able to drive off the pair. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

While responding to a report of rampages on Dinobot Island, Prowl and Bulkhead were given Ratchet's EMP generator and stasis cuffs to detain the Dinobots. Discovering that Grimlock had a metal shard wedged in his foot, Prowl used the generator to dull Grimlock's sensors and remove the shard. However, they then received a call from [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] that Starscream had escaped. Heading to the Autobots' crashed ship, Prowl used [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Teletran-1]] to scan for Starscream, discovering him on the Moon. When Bulkhead refused to go on the mission, deeming it a suicide run, Prowl stole a shuttle and went off by himself. Locating Starscream on the Moon, he managed to place stasis cuffs on the Decepticon, but [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] appeared to take Starscream off Prowl's hands. During their fight, Starscream escaped and destroyed Prowl's shuttle. Stowing away on Lockdown's ship, Prowl suggested an alliance to capture him and Lockdown gave him a set of armor that would assist him in the hunt. Together, the pair cornered [[Clone number 3370318|what appeared to be Starscream]], but Lockdown revealed that he was working for Megatron. Prowl would not allow "Starscream" to be taken, but Lockdown tied Prowl up and left.

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The other Autobots arrived and chewed out Prowl for his actions, but Prowl insisted that they retrieve Starscream first. During their pursuit, a [[Clone number 2716057|second Starscream]] somehow showed up and offered an alliance against Megatron. Prowl took down Starscream, but in his actions, he destroyed a bird's nest. Realizing that the modifications he had were going to his head, he resolved to abandon them... once they got Starscream. Prowl initially flubbed an attempt to spy on the meet between Megatron and Lockdown and quickly found himself outgunned until the other Autobots arrived with the second Starscream. During the standoff that followed, the two Starscreams revealed that they had bombs inside them. Prowl used the armor he had been given to send them into the sky, saving Detroit from destruction. Lockdown then contacted Prowl, offering him a partnership, but Prowl declined and returned Ratchet's EMP generator. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}

Prowl took part in a pursuit to catch Nanosec after the super-speedy villain got a second wind, but the chase came to an end when Bumblebee mysteriously slowed down to a stop. After the other Autobots returned to base for repairs, Bumblebee alerted the rest of his team that [[Swindle (Animated)|a Decepticon]] had built a machine that could freeze any electronic machine within its range, just as he had been earlier that day. Prowl and the others sped out to take on the threat. They were all affected by the device's power before they could reach their destination, and were only able to take on Swindle once Sari had deactivated his weapon. {{storylink|SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy}}

Prowl and the other Autobots gathered to listen in on an all-points bulletin from Ultra Magnus, alerting them that the criminal [[Wasp]] had escaped from prison. Later, Bumblebee told the rest of his team that he had stumbled upon a Decepticon transmission, and they reported his findings to the head of [[Cybertron Intelligence]], [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm Prime]]. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

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Due to his inability to stay quiet, Prowl placed a bet on Bumblebee—that he couldn't go 10 cycles without talking. Should he keep to this, Prowl would fork over a case of axel grease. Bumblebee kept on slipping up, though Prowl was gracious enough to give him multiple shots at winning the bet. Prime took Prowl and Bumblebee with him to Dinobot Island to investigate Meltdown's prison break. The pair's bet was put on hold after both Prowl and Bumblebee were off-lined by Blackarachnia's cyber venom. After the day was saved, Prime used the antidote on the bots, and Bumblebee pointed out he'd been quiet for ages! Prowl dryly noted it took Bumblebee being comatose to achieve this, but the yellow bot didn't care—he just wanted his grease! {{storylink|Black Friday (episode)|Black Friday}}

Prowl had been helping Sari train through an obstacle course when he learned from Optimus that the Constructobots had resurfaced. The Autobots looked high and low throughout Detroit for Mixmaster and Scrapper, but without Sari's key to track their AllSpark signatures, the search proved fruitless. Then, Blitzwing dropped out of the sky and took on the whole crew. Pinned down by the Decepticon the Autobots learned that Sari was dealing with the Constructobots on her own back at headquarters, but couldn't get back to help her until Blitzwing abruptly ditched the battle. Although the Autobots raced home, they found that Sari had taken care of the intruders all by herself. {{storylink|Sari, No One's Home}}

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When Bulkhead was kidnapped, Bumblebee brought the Autobot intelligence agent [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] to the plant, who revealed that Megatron was building a space bridge to conquer Cybertron from within. As Sari and Ratchet went to repair the ship, Prowl went with the others to rescue Bulkhead and shut down the space bridge. However, they were incapacitated by the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]]... just in time for Starscream and [[Starscream clone (Animated)|his clones]] to attack. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

Escaping the Constructicons, Prowl was able to lock stasis cuffs on [[Ramjet (Animated)|a lying clone]], but was soon occupied with [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]]. When Prowl managed to disengage long enough to check on an injured Prime, [[Sunstorm (Animated)|a fawning clone]] managed to place stasis cuffs on him. Once he came back online, Prowl once again tried the processor-over-matter technique to disable his stasis cuffs, a gamble that ultimately paid off, and Prowl was able to throw a shuriken at Prime's stasis cuffs as he was being thrown through the space bridge. Unfortunately, power problems with the bridge arose, causing Megatron to add Starscream's AllSpark infused head to the mix. This caused a power overload which sucked up Megatron and Starscream, and nearly sucked up the Autobots as well. Fortunately, Ratchet had gone to the ''Orion'' and brought his old friend [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] back online; their transformed ship allowed himself to be sucked into the malfunctioning space-bridge, overloading and destroying the structure. Although the Autobots managed to rescue Professor Sumdac and reunited him with his daughter, Sari discovered that the skin of her right arm had been torn, revealing robotic circuitry underneath! {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

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Hearing of Professor Sumdac's sketchy explanation of Sari's origins, Prowl infiltrated Sumdac's lab, scanned the professor and accessed his computer data. He later revealed his conclusions: Sari had begun her existence as a Cybertronian protoform. When a [[Rock Lord]] was TransWarped to Earth with Bumblebee inside, Prowl was surprised that Ratchet was taking his EMP generator into battle again. They barely got a chance to face the thing when Sari upgraded herself with her key and smashed the Rock Lord into bits. Unfortunately her upgrades went out of control and she wounded Bumblebee. While Ratchet tended to Bumblebee, Prime, Bulkhead and Prowl attempted to remove Sari's key from her. Prowl's ninja moves allowed him to extract the key and he rushed it back to Ratchet, only to find its charge had been expended.

After all that excitement was done, the Autobots were surprised when Omega Supreme, now under Megatron's control, transwarped into view and attacked them. Optimus and Prowl infiltrated the giant's leg, and Prowl headed for Omega's spark chamber while Optimus went to keep Megatron distracted. Prowl jacked in to Omega's memory, and was able to successfully encourage Omega Supreme to reject Megatron's control and reassert his own. The victory was short-lived, as Starscream took the opportunity to take over and eject both Prowl and Optimus from Omega Supreme. The problem was later solved via the application of a [[plasma dynamic thruster]], which sent Omega Supreme and his two prisoners randomly transwarping across the galaxy. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

With Professor Sumdac back on their side, the Autobots set about tracking down what remained of the Earthbound Decepticons. The first one they ran into was Lugnut. Optimus and Prowl managed to get stasis cuff onto him while the others kept him distracted. Of course, then they had the problem of getting him out of the crater, but while they were doing that, Bulkhead got into some trouble with the Constructicons and they were forced to go help. Prowl warned Bumblebee not to make any sparks because there was oil everywhere, but otherwise stood around watching everyone else win the fight. {{storylink|Three's a Crowd}} Prowl's keen ninja senses somehow failed to detect when [[Wasp]] switched identities with Bumblebee. He and Bulkhead hunted the city for the now fugitive "Wasp" and found him attacking a [[Hot Dog Bot]]. He managed to convince the pair he was Bumblebee, but they were attacked by [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]]. Prowl eventually clarified Bulkhead's garbled explanation to Optimus and Sentinel, after which they returned to the plant to unsuccessfully try to catch the real Wasp. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

[[Image:TFA Five Servos processor over matter.JPG|300px|right|thumb|Everyone knows ninjas have magical powers like that.]]

Assisting Optimus and the Elite Guard in hunting down a Decepticon, Prowl was as stunned as anyone else when Sentinel Prime apparently caught their quarry all by himself—and it was only the most recent of several solo captures Sentinel had made. He then learned that Optimus had spotted a silhouette wearing a unique helmet that evening. Going over the helmets in the data banks with Optimus, Prowl was amazed when his commander identified Yoketron's old helmet as the one he'd seen. As Prowl unsuccessfully tried to solve the mystery, Sentinel continued to capture Decepticons, but realized that all of the Decepticons were missing their unique weapons and modifications, despite Sentinel showing him Lugnut's power-punch mods in storage. Prowl still suspected something was up, however, and his theories were borne out when he overheard Sentinel talking via communicator to an unknown party.

Alerting Jazz, Prowl set out after Sentinel and discovered he'd been working with none other than Lockdown, who was wearing Yoketron's helmet. However, even as Prowl watched, Lockdown and the Starscream clone he'd just captured double-crossed Sentinel, and Lockdown revealed he'd been a student of Yoketron's too. Realizing who'd killed his sensei and destroyed the protoforms, Prowl attacked Lockdown and demanded the helmet. Lockdown complied, but the helmet had been rigged to spring a trap, and Prowl found himself bound tight and hauled aboard Lockdown's ship, there to have his mods removed and added to a duplicate of the power armor sidecar Lockdown had once lent him. However, Prowl was able to master the processor-over-matter technique to free himself, don the armor and battle Lockdown back outside. They landed by the Starscream clone just in time to have a scoreboard fall on them, but Prowl's processor-over-matter saved them from injury. The clone was captured, though Lockdown got away, and with a line to Cybertron finally open, Prime reported to [[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper]] that Prowl was responsible for capturing all the Decepticons they had on the ship. Back in his quarters, Prowl graciously accepted Jazz's compliment that Yoketron would approve of the helmet's new owner, vowing to do all he could to be worthy of it. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}}

Prowl turned out with the other Autobots to see off Sentinel and his team as they left Earth for Cybertron. {{storylink|Predacons Rising (Animated)|Predacons Rising}}

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At [[Christmas]], Prowl theorized that [[Santa Claus]] could use holograms to deliver billions of presents in one night. He joined the other Autobots in drinking [[oilnog]], unaware that their drink had been spiked by Soundwave, who took the opportunity to trap the five 'bots in a virtual reality world of his own making. In this simulation, the Autobots awoke on Christmas to discover that they'd somehow turned into humans. Only Prowl seemed at ease with the change, taking the opportunity to experience life from a different perspective as the Autobots made their way to Sumdac Tower, playing with a [[Nancy Witwicky|baby]] and trying vegetarian food at a [[Burger Bot]] restaurant. The peace was interrupted by a Decepticon attack, and the Autobots helped rescue people from a damaged building. Prowl dashed inside to rescue [[Gary]], exiting the building with a spectacular leap that ''should'' have been impossible. After an abortive attempt to fight the Decepticons in their new human forms, Prowl suggested they proceed to Sumdac Tower by bus.

They reached the tower, only to see the planet Cybertron move into view and blast it. As Megatron and a host of Decepticons landed, Prowl and Optimus began to come to the realization that none of what they were experiencing was real. When Megatron picked up Prowl, the Autobot was able to slice Megatron's arm off with one blow and resist being stepped on by Blitzwing. Prowl proceeded to float in the air, menacing Starscream before phasing through his foe's head. After the Decepticons evaporated, the Autobots found they were able to return to their robot forms just by willing it. At that point, a giant [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]] scooped them up, while in the real world, Soundwave planned to reprogram them into Decepticons. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}

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After Soundwave's reprogramming was interrupted, Prowl used processor over matter to escape the virtual world. Soundwave promptly caught him trying to free Optimus and put him back into the simulation, turning them back into humans and forcing them to pursue Soundwave's virtual avatar in nearby vehicles that matched their alternate modes. They had great difficulty adapting to driving and Prowl inadvertently did wheelies on his police cycle. The five Autobots were cornered by Soundwave, who began reprogramming them. Prowl was successful in using processor-over-mater to resist Soundwave's control, and when Soundwave used the Autobots in the real world to attack Sari and the group of "[[Substitute Autobot]]s" she'd gathered, he carefully made sure no one was harmed. As Soundwave focused on getting Optimus to offline Sari, Prowl took the opportunity to knock [[Ratbat (Animated)|Ratbat]] out of the Decepticon's hands, breaking his control. Soundwave responded by having Ratbat grab Prowl, lift him into the air and drop him into a building. After Optimus managed to defeat Soundwave, the Autobots reassembled, and Prowl reflected on how much they'd learned about what it meant to be organic. {{storylink|Human Error, Part II}}

[[Image:EndgamePart2-Prowlsmiles.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Prowl turns that frown (and his sunglasses) upside down.]]

When Omega Supreme's energy signature was detected on the Moon, Optimus decided that he needed an upgrade to keep up with Megatron. Prowl offered his boosters for Ratchet to study, and also offered to go to the Moon to check things out. Jazz insisted he stay on Earth and try to complete his cyber-ninja training. The pair retired to some woods, where Prowl was able to reconstitute an AllSpark fragment through meditation. After returning to base, they watch Ratchet repair Optimus after the testing of Prime's boosters, and Prowl encouraged his leader to take up the [[Magnus Hammer]]. As the Autobots discovered when they rushed outside, Megatron had created three clones of Omega Supreme, and they were on their way to Detroit. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

With the three [[Lugnut Supreme]]s bearing in on the city, Optimus had serious doubts over whether he could take them. Prowl reassured him, saying that he'd be behind Optimus every step of the way. The two took to the sky, but despite their best efforts, the Lugnut Supremes couldn't be taken individually. When Prowl suggested looking for a way to remove them all at the same time, Prime used his Magnus Hammer to carry them away to Dinobot Island with a whirlwind. This destroyed one and disabled flight capabilities for the remaining two, but still they advanced.

Prime ordered Prowl and Jazz to help evacuate the city's humans towards Sumdac Tower, since its force shields should make it a safe place. After this was accomplished, Prowl and Jazz tried to stop the Lugnut Supremes with their melee weapons, but they were ineffectual. Prime radioed Prowl, telling him that the only way to stop them from destroying the city was to gather the power of the AllSpark. Prowl took Jazz back with him to the tower, which had just lost its force shield. As the two cyber-ninjas meditated, fragments of the AllSpark were telekinetically gathered from all corners of the city, thanks to their mastery of [[Processor-over-matter]]. Starscream was an unwitting casualty of this, as the Decepticon had flown too close, and the AllSpark fragment that kept him alive was yanked from his skull.

[[Image:EndgamePart2-lastminutesave.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Who's that playing "Unchained Melody"?]]

But Prowl and Jazz couldn't muster enough AllSpark fragments to serve their needs. Some of it was missing! With the Lugnut Supremes now threatening to blow up the city and everything else in a 100-mile radius, Prowl made a tough choice. He levitated himself up towards their growing AllSpark fragment collection and relinquished his own [[spark]], despite Jazz's protests. With one last serene smile, Prowl was lost momentarily in a flash of light. His uncolored body fell into Jazz's arms as the light dimmed.

[[File:EndgamePartII-CorpsemasterProwl.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Inaction Master Prowl, available at stores near you.]]

This last, desperate act enveloped the final Lugnut Supreme in an AllSpark-powered shell, capturing both Optimus Prime and Megatron inside. Prowl appeared once more, as an AllSpark ghost, to carry Prime away to safety.

With Megatron seemingly destroyed, Jazz carried the dead body of Prowl to the others. But before the Autobots could begin to mourn, Megatron reappeared, though heavily damaged. Prime fought the Decepticon leader with renewed vigor in the knowledge that this battle cost the life of his friend, but he stopped just short of killing the villain. Megatron and the other Decepticons were taken in captivity back to Cybertron, along with Prowl's body. Bumblebee, Jazz, Ratchet, and Bulkhead were Prowl's pallbearers, and the crowds of Cybertron cheered their victory. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}
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===''Be the Hero'' books===
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====''Prime Suspect''====
When the police began pursuing [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]] for breaking and entering, Prowl protected [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]] and [[You|another kid]] who had been caught up in things, using his holograms to distract the cops. The trail led the Autobots to [[HomeTech]]'s laboratory, where the two kids were sent in to find the security footage of Prime apparently breaking in, which later necessitated a rescue by Prowl and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]. The Autobots continued to follow the clues to HomeTech's main warehouse, where they fought [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]], the real mastermind behind the theft. {{storylink|Prime Suspect (Animated)|Prime Suspect}}

====''Quest for the AllSpark''====
Prowl chose [[Texas]] to conceal a fake [[AllSpark]] when [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] took control of [[Detroit]]'s robot workforce in an attempt to locate the artifact. He returned to Detroit in time to join [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] as they went to help Optimus and [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] fight [[Crush-A]]. {{storylink|Quest for the AllSpark}}

====''Web of Deception''====
Prowl saved Sari and her friend from drowning after their [[Sumdac Aquaskimmer Mk 1|Aquaskimmer]] was destroyed on the surface of Lake Erie. He, Bumblebee and Bulkhead subsequently found that the Autobot ship was offline and Optimus missing. Once everything was working again, Ratchet's scans located [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]'s ship parked on the lake bed nearby, sending Bumblebee, Bulkhead, Prowl and the two young humans on a mission to investigate. While fighting the bounty hunter, they discovered the involvement of [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], who wanted revenge on Prime. After the clash, Prowl found he had to use [[Circuit-Su]] mediation to realign his inner processes before he could continue, however the delay led to Sari's young friend locating Blackarachnia and her eventual defeat. {{storylink|Web of Deception}}

====''Time-Quake''====
When strange time distortions began occurring across Detroit, the Autobots split up with special scanners to try and track down the cause of the problem. Prowl traced the signal to a disused warehouse on the Detroit River, arriving at around the same time as Bulkhead and a random [[You|human]]. Within, Prowl narrowly rescued the human when the floor collapsed, and in the basement the trio found a time machine. After Bulkhead and the human were plunged back in time, Prowl remained at the warehouse, but it was several days before the pair returned, having jaunted around history. Meanwhile, the other Autobots had tracked down the culprit behind the strange machine. Prowl and Bulkhead joined them at said culprit's hideout, but the foe was able to keep the Autobots at bay, forcing the human to go in to wrap things up. {{storylink|Time-Quake}}

===Titan Magazines===
When [[Quake-Maker]] attacked Detroit with, yep, earthquakes, Prowl was there saving people from falling rubble before the villain temporarily buried him. Once he got out, he found himself following the orders of new arrival [[Afterburn]] and helped beat Quake-Maker. {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 1#Burnout|Burnout}}

On his day off, Prowl went to a [[basketball]] game with Bulkhead, Sari and Afterburn. The speed, grace and tactics of the game thrilled him, leaving him with the belief they could learn much from basketball. Unfortunately he had to duck out of the game to stop the supervillain [[Crossroads]], who was causing robotic systems across Detroit. Working out with Sari that this was a diversionary tactic so Crossroads could reach [[Sumdac Tower]], Prowl and the others headed for the building, and Prowl disabled the villain's robot-controlling gauntlets with well-aimed shurikens. And he spouted basketball terms while doing this for... well, we dunno.

He stood in front of Afterburn while saying they should all keep their eyes out for the enemy. Surely a coincidental posing! {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 3|Crossroads!}}

[[Image:Prowl_CRUNK!.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Take that, ''Shattered Glass'' Bumblebee!]]

When Bumblebee was boasting about his incredible speed, Prowl pointed out that he was also reckless and a dangerous driver. Why, if Bumblebee had to follow rules when he drove, Prowl could whip him! This throwing of the gauntlet led to the two Autobots having a race at [[Crazy Coyote Canyon]], with Bulkhead joining in for the heck of it. With his superior reflexes and ''driving over'' his opponent, Prowl shot into the lead, smugly noting that reckless actions get you into trouble...

...and then, not looking where he was going, ran into a Decepticon trap. With Lugnut planning to use him as a piñata, only Bumblebee's arrival saved him, and reckless action saw the two escape. If that wasn't embarrassing enough for Prowl, Bumblebee beat him in the rest of the race and ''Bulkhead'' won the whole thing... ! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|The Race}}
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===''Lil Formers''===
Prowl shared his weight loss secrets with a [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] from another universe. {{storylink|Lil Formers}}

===''The Cool'' comic===
Witnessing the mysterious Allspark being uncovered, Prowl along with the rest of Optimus Prime's crew fled through a space bridge gate in order to keep the artifact out of Decepticon clutches. Unfortunately, Megatron was able to board their ship and left Prowl defeated on the floor, leaving Optimus to deal with the Decepticon leader by himself. {{storylink|The Cool Extra issue 3}}

Prowl was among the Autobots who traveled to the [[Earth]] city of [[Detroit]] in order to protect the [[AllSpark]] from the Decepticons. When [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]], [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] attacked, Prowl joined in the fray, pitting his skills against Blackarachnia. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 1}}

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The Autobots were unable to prevent Starscream from seizing the AllSpark, however, and Prowl was helpless to defend himself from Starscream's AllSpark-powered aerial attacks. When [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] died stopping Starscream, and was subsequently revived by the power of [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]]'s [[AllSpark Key|key]], Prowl was there to greet him. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 2}}

Prowl later took part in defending [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]] from a Decepticon raid. He expressed displeasure at [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]]'s aerial bombardments, observing that their weapons didn't have the range to counterattack. Once the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobot]]s saved the day, however, Prowl saw them off along with the rest of the Autobots. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 3}}

Prowl was present at [[Sumdac Systems]] headquarters when Megatron was revived in a new body. He fared poorly in battle, as Megatron swatted him away with a single blast of his [[fusion cannon]]. Prowl survived the fight and later greeted the [[Elite Guard]] when they arrived on Earth. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 5}}

Later, Prowl joined up with Lockdown, donning a set of power-boosting armor in order to take down [[Clone number 3370318|Clone #3370318]] (whom he mistook for the real Starscream). When Prowl learned that Lockdown would be selling "Starscream" to Megatron rather than Ultra Magnus, he attempted to stop his ex-partner, only to be subdued and rendered unconscious. Prowl eventually came to, joining the rest of the Autobots as [[Clone number 2716057|Clone #2716057]] attacked. Prowl defeated the clone, but destroyed an entire city park in the process. Prowl then recalled a lesson from his [[Cyber-Ninja Corps|Cyber-Ninja]] master, [[Yoketron (Animated)|Yoketron]], regarding power and choices. Realizing there was one Starscream too many, Prowl and the Autobots then rushed to a warehouse where Lockdown was meeting Megatron. The ''real'' Starscream had rigged the clones to explode and kill everyone. Using his head, Prowl attached his armor's rocket packs to the clones and sent them flying; harmlessly detonating in the sky. Prowl then discarded his armor, vowing to the memory of Yoketron that he would start his training over from scratch. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 6}}

Prowl then joined in the battle for the Decepticon [[space bridge#Animated cartoon|Space Bridge]]. He registered horror at the sight of Optimus Prime being blasted by [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]]. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 7}} When the battle for the Space Bridge had ended, Prowl joined the other Autobots in bidding farewell to [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]], who sacrificed himself in the fight. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 8}}

At Autobot HQ, Prowl performed a full body-scan on Sari and determined that she was originally a Transformer [[protoform]] that scanned Professor Sumdac's DNA, creating an entirely new lifeform. Suddenly, the Autobots were attacked by Starscream in Omega Supreme's body! Prowl encouraged Bulkhead to keep the fiend busy until Optimus could return from wherever it is that he went. Once Optimus ''did'' return and vanquished the Decepticon, Prowl was put in charge of finding Starscream's leftovers and pulling them out of Omega Supreme. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 9}}

Prior to the final confrontation against the Decepticons, Prowl stood heroically alongside his fellow Autobots. {{storylink|The Cool Extra issue 1}}

When Optimus was nearly killed during his epic showdown with Megatron, Prowl joined the rest of the Autobots in looking on in horror. However, when the Autobots returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] victorious, Prowl was nowhere to be seen. His fate remains a mystery. {{storylink|The Cool Episode Final}}

===Precursor World===
A [[Primus Vanguard|Warrior of the Seven Lights]] resembling a white Prowl was a member of the [[White Order]]. At their base on the [[White Planet]], he notified his commander [[White Gallant Convoy]] of the conflict between [[G1 World|extradimensional]] warriors [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Star Convoy]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Generations Selects Special Comic (1)|Super Megatron]] on the [[Blue Planet (GS)|Blue Planet]]. When he suggested they intervene, Gallant directed him to stand down and let the [[Blue Order]] do their work. The matter resolved, the pair kept watching and marveled at Star Convoy's heroics for a time. {{storylink|God Neptune comic 2}}

Later, the Warrior was nearby when Gallant found out he'd made a real bad call as the [[Primus Vanguard]]'s [[Primus#The old universe|eponymous supreme leader]] warned him of the fall of the Blue Order and the threat of the now-supercharged Ultra Megatron Omega.

Later still, the Warrior supported Gallant in battle when the similarly dimension-hopping [[Seacon (BW)|pirate]] [[Halfshell]] attacked looking to plunder the Order's holy [[Matrix Saber]]. {{storylink|God Neptune comic 1}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers Animated: The Game''===
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{{voiceactor|[[Jeff Glen Bennett]] (English)}}
Prowl set up the Autobots' headquarters into an obstacle course for [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]], [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] to practice their skills on. When Ratchet picked up a Decepticon signal, Optimus dispatched Prowl to investigate. Taking to the roads, Prowl located a [[Decepticon Transmitter Drone]] and shot it down. After Ratchet modified the drone to return home, it escaped from the Autobot base and Prowl chased after it but failed to catch up with it. He later tracked down and captured [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]], after the bounty hunter gave Bumblebee some trouble. He joined Bumblebee at the Decepticon mine base, and offered [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]] a lift back to headquarters. Following the safe return from Cybertron of Optimus, Bumblebee and Bulkhead, he expressed incredulity that Optimus had turned down the chance to join the [[Elite Guard]]. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The Game}}
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===''Transformers Animated: Action Packs''===
{{note|Prowl is featured as a playable game card. He is a black card, has a value of 6 points, and has the following power: "x2 if any Starscream is in play".}} {{storylink|Transformers Animated: Action Packs}}
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==Toys==
===''Animated''===
====Legends Class====
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[[Image:Legends animated prowl.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Even as a legend he keeps the epic transformation.]]
*'''Rescue Ratchet''' (Animated 3-pack, 2008)

: A [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Prowl toy came packaged with this version of [[Ratchet (Animated)#Rescue|Ratchet]], as well as a Legends [[Starscream (Animated)#Legends Class|Starscream]]. It features a slightly different deco from the ''Universe'' release of the mold, including a silver chevron and a silver Autobot sigil.

: Other than the various Legends Prowls below, this mold would have also been used to make [[EZ Collection]] [[Turbo Cycle (G1)|Turbo Cycle]], but that toy was cancelled.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/AniLegendsProwl/prowl.htm Prowl (Rescue Ratchet 3-pack) at TFU.info]

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[[Image:AniLegendsProwlClearSmoke.jpg|thumb|300px|Clear smoke? Future Detroit's air filtration systems are truly amazing!]]
*'''Prowl Clear Smoke Ver.''' (EZ Collection, 2010)

: A redeco of Legends Prowl in smokey translucent black, with some opaque grey parts. He was only available at Apita stores in Japan, given away for free to customers who purchased Voyager Class [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] or [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]].

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*'''EZ Collection Limited Clear Version''' (EZ Collection, 2010)

:The "EZ Collection Limited Clear Version" set included a redeco of Legends Prowl in mostly translucent black with some opaque parts. The set was given away at Family Mart stores in Japan as part of their raffle token promotion. Unlike Prowl Clear Smoke Version, this version of Prowl is painted to resemble his normal coloration, only clear. The "EZ Collection Limited Clear Version" set was prize D, and included four different translucent EZ Collection figures, the other three being Bumblebee, Optimus Prime, and Starscream.

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[[Image:AniEZEliteGuardProwl.jpg|thumb|300px|This needs Saba badly.]]
*'''Prowl Elite Guard Version''' (EZ Collection, 2010)

:A white, black, and gold redeco of Legends Prowl, Prowl Elite Guard Version shares its overall deco with the Tokyo Toy Show exclusive Deluxe Class figure. It was only available blindpacked in TakaraTomy's EZ Collection Volume 4.

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====Deluxe Class====
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[[Image:Prowl anim toy.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|No, you're not seeing things, both of his wheels are part of his robot mode, and it's still symmetrical.]]
*'''Prowl''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''TA-05'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 bladed mecha stars, traffic light "chain" weapon
{{toydesigner|[[Eric Siebenaler]] (Hasbro), [[Alex Kubalsky]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Derrick J. Wyatt]] (concept artist)}}

: Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' Deluxe Class toys, Prowl transforms into a black and gold police "superbike" of made-up model. Two of his hubcaps are removable, and they both can reconfigure into three-bladed "mecha stars" which he can hold in robot mode. The mecha stars have a pseudo-[[Automorph Technology|automorph feature]]; pulling out on one blade simultaneously opens the other two. He also comes with a traffic light "chain" weapon which he can hold in robot mode, but it cannot be stowed in superbike mode. Unfortunately, it also has a tendency to break his thumbs off if held by the handle. As advertised on the back of the box, his rear bike mode lights can flip forward to form "flash blasters".

:Partly due to his lithe proportions, as well as both the waist ball joint and double-jointed knees required for his transformation, Prowl is ''extremely'' [[Articulation|poseable]].

:The Japanese [[TakaraTomy]] release features a glossy, shiny paint job for the entire front of his bike, painting his headlights, and having an almost [[Vacuum metallizing|vac-metal]]-like finish for his headlights and gold parts. The Autobot [[insignia]] on his abdomen/vehicle front is now in full color, bordered in white.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Prowl/prowl.htm Prowl at TFU.info]

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*'''Battle in Space''' (Deluxe 2-pack, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 bladed mecha stars, traffic light "chain" weapon

: This Wal-Mart [[exclusive]] two-pack features an unchanged Deluxe Prowl and an unchanged Battle Damaged Deluxe [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] from the ''Battle Begins'' two-pack. The bundle was a 2008 [[Walmart]]-[[exclusive]] [[Black Friday (event)|Black Friday]] release in 2008.

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[[Image:Samuraiprowldeluxe.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Bludgeon redeco in 5...4...3...]]
[[Image:Samuraiprowlsplitwheels.jpg|right|125px|thumb|Yours won't do this.]]
*'''Samurai Prowl''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''TA-34'''
**''Accessories'': Sidecar/battle armor, wheel/"sword", 2 bladed mecha stars
{{toydesigner|[[Eric Siebenaler]] (Hasbro)}}

: Part of the sixth wave of ''Animated'' Deluxe Class toys, this [[redeco]] and heavy [[retool]] of Prowl includes an all-new sidecar which transforms into the "samurai" armor that appeared in "[[A Fistful of Energon]]". Roughly 80% of the original robot mode is retooled, leaving only parts such as the biceps, interior of the arms, and the lower legs untouched. Among other deco changes, his gold is paler, and all of his translucent plastic is now teal. The robot mode "wings" are now designed to fold upwards, and a pair of slots were added to accommodate the body of the samurai armor. A new, smaller head with a translucent plastic visor replaces the original head so that the samurai helmet can fit, and either of the new pegs on his forearms can be used to mount the new wheel/blade weapon. Additionally, he gains thigh [[Swivel joint|swivel]]s, making him even ''more'' posable.

:A change was made to the wheel/sword weapon between the photography and final production stages. The Hasbro stock photography shows that the wheel was originally able to split down the middle, with each half pegging onto a forearm. However, this is not possible on the production version. The two halves are screwed together, and there's no hint of a second connection piece when disassembled. It's probable that the divided pieces constituted [[For safety reasons|a choking hazard]]. This modification, on the other hand, allows the sidecar to actually roll.

:Prowl's bladed ninja stars don't really seem to be intended to be removed from his legs, but with a bit of force, you can still pry them out of there. They have, however, been remolded so they're now fused together and no longer able to open, but they are exchangeable with the stars from the original Deluxe Prowl. While not being included, he can also still hold the chain traffic light from the original version.

:Prowl loses a lot of his original maneuverability when you put his Samurai armor on, and also becomes a little more tricky to balance, but that's the price you pay for the ability to blind your enemies with overexposure to pure awesomeness and teal translucent plastic.

:The Japanese TakaraTomy release is virtually identical to the Hasbro version, with the only notable change to the Japanese version being the use of a white and red Autobot symbol on his torso rather than a non-outlined silver one.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/SamuraiProwl/prowl.htm Samurai Prowl at TFU.info]

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*'''Darkness Showdown: Prowl / Blitzwing''' (Multi-pack, [[April 24]] 2010)
**''Accessories:'' 2 bladed mecha stars, traffic light "chain" weapon

: In the Takara ''Animated'' line, Prowl was also available in a "Darkness Showdown" (暗闇の対決, ''kurayami no taiketsu'', also called "Battle in the Dark" on English on the box-back) two-pack with [[Blitzwing (Animated)#Toys|Blitzwing]]. Released in the second wave of ''Animated'' product, both toys are identical to their individual releases.

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[[File:Ani-toy Prowl EliteGuardDx.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Now he's a different kind of assassin.]]
*'''Prowl Elite Guard Ver.''' (Deluxe, [[July 15]]-[[July 18|18]] 2010)
**''Accessories:'' 2 bladed mecha stars, traffic light "chain" weapon

: Available [[exclusive]]ly at [[Tokyo Toy Show]] 2010, "Prowl Elite Guard Ver." is a redeco of the original Deluxe-class Prowl toy in a pseudo-policey white, black and gold color scheme, with a head deco inspired by [[Prowl (G1)|"Generation 1" Prowl]], silver-chromed headlamps, and of course the [[Elite Guard]] symbol on his windshield/chest. Yes, even the traffic light "chain" weapon is redecoed in white.

: The packaging is unchanged from the original retail release, bar a sticker on the front of the bubble. It is currently unknown how many of this toy were produced.

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*'''Battle in the Dark: Prowl VS Blitzwing''' (Two-pack, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' 2 bladed mecha stars, traffic light "chain" weapon

: This Japanese two-pack contains the TakaraTomy versions of the original Deluxe Class Prowl, as well as Voyager Class [[Blitzwing (Animated)#BITD|Blitzwing]].
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===''Universe'' (2008)===
[[Image:Legends animated prowl.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Itty-bitty ninja.]]
*'''Prowl''' (Legends, 2008)
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro)}}

:A slight repaint of the Legends Prowl included with the Rescue Ratchet 3 pack was available in the Universe 2008 line as well as Legends versions of Starscream (also included in the 3 pack), Optimus and Bumblebee. He was also available as part of a ''Universe'' three-pack with the three aforementioned slightly repainted Legends figures.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/AniLegendsProwl/prowl.htm More information on ''Universe'' Prowl at TFU.info]''
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===''EZ Collection''===
*'''Prowl''' (EZ Collection, 2010)
**''ID Number'': '''EZ-19'''
:In Japan, The ''Universe'' Animated Prowl toy was re-released as part of the 3rd volume of EZ Collection, in blindpacked packaging.
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===''Legacy''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Deluxe-Class-Aniprowl.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|In order to become one with the Allspark, Prowl had to sacrifice his lithe thighs, and some of his [[chin]].]]
*'''Animated Universe Prowl''' (Deluxe Class, [[2023]])
**''Accessories'': 2 Bladed Mecha Stars

:Released in the second wave of ''[[Transformers: Legacy#Evolution (2023)|Legacy: Evolution]]'' Deluxes, "Animated Universe Prowl" is a ''Generations''-styled version of the character that transforms into a police motorcycle in 20 steps. He comes with two Mecha Stars that, like his original toy, can be stored in his motorcycle wheels. His stock art shows him slightly mistransformed, with his head poking out behind his front window.

:Notably, this is the first mainline Animated toy since the show's cancellation in 2009.

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==Merchandise==
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*'''Transformers Animated Game Collection''' (2008)

: Released as part of the board game set, this Prowl is a (very) show-accurate mini-figure figure based on his animation model.

: Prowl is also sold with Bumblebee, Bulkhead, and Optimus Prime minifigures, and of course: 3 board games (''Transformers Animated'' Game, Checkers, and Tic Tac Toe), and a 100-piece puzzle.
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==Notes==
[[File:Animated_Prowl_season_3_character_model.jpg|thumb|Hhm, [[Drift (AOE)|foreshadowing]]?]]
*Prowl's eyes are a reference to ''{{w|2000 AD (comic)|2000 AD}}''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s {{w|ABC Warriors}},<ref>[https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21975298&postID=8564559979841180115 Comment section for "Back from Botcon" entry in Derrick Wyatt's blog]</ref> specifically to the character Joe Pineapples.
*Prowl's general robot mode design, down to his khaki legs, tall boots, and helmet-shaped head, is meant to evoke a {{w|California Highway Patrol}} motorcycle cop, circa ''{{w|CHiPs}}''. Eat your heart out, {{w|Erik Estrada}}.<ref name="Hey">[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/09/hey-everybody-its-prowl.html Derrick Wyatt explains Prowl's design in his personal blog]</ref>
*Despite his alternate mode being the smallest among the core cast, [[Size changing|Prowl's robot mode is about the same height as Ratchet's, and much taller than Bumblebee's]].
*Since he was in the AllSpark energy and able to save Optimus Prime after he relinquished his spark he seems to have fused with it much like [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] and [[Vector Sigma]]. It also seems possible that his spark, rather than truly being extinguished has fused with the AllSpark since he did appear as a spark ghost.
*Amazingly, Hasbro hadn't originally intended to make a Samurai Prowl toy until one of their team saw the episode.<ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/tf_animated/271043.html Derrick J. Wyatt Q&A... answers!]</ref> The on-show introduction of the samurai armor certainly wasn't your typical [[To sell toys|marketing vehicle]], considering Prowl's speech about how he didn't need the armor after all and everybody crediting him with a wise choice when he abandoned and destroyed it. This leads to some mildly amusing backtracking once Hasbro finally produced the toy, with a [[Five Servos of Doom|new episode]] airing that just happened to feature a second, identical set of armor that Prowl could now wear because he <s>had a new toy out</s> had grown as a person and could now handle the responsibility.
*Prowl's retractable [[mouthplate]] was inspired by [[Snake-Eyes]] from [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]].<ref>[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/09/hey-everybody-its-prowl.html Response to comments in "Hey Everybody, It's Prowl!" article on Derrick Wyatt's blog]</ref>
*Prowl shares his [[body-type]] with fellow Autobots [[Horsepower (Animated)|Horsepower]] and [[Sparkride (Animated)|Sparkride]].
*In the ''Transformers Animated'' profile shorts, Prowl is introduced to the audience by Bulkhead in "[[Meet Prowl]]".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Prowl''' (プロール ''Purōru'')
*''Russian:'' '''Syshhik''' (Сыщик, "Detective")
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==References==
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Pete

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Gigirassy:

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:''Pete is a [[Go-Bot (species)|Go-Bot]] from the [[Kids' Transformers: Rescue Hero Go-Bots (franchise)|Rescue Hero Go-Bots]] portion of the [[Go-Bots continuity family|Go-Bots]] [[continuity family]].''
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'''Pete''' (ピート ''Pīto'') is an extremely lenient police officer.

==Fiction==
===''Rescue Hero Go-Bots'' comic===
Pete needed [[Beck]] to move a boulder that was blocking road, but found him sleeping and had to wake him up. After Beck had done his duty, he immediately went back to sleep, which Pete thought was typical of him. {{storylink|Beck's Service}}

A yellow car knocked Pete aside while he was patrolling. He gave chase, and as it crashed off the side of a cliff, transformed and caught it. The apologetic car sloped off. {{storylink|Pete's Service}}

==Toys==
===''Rescue Hero Go-Bots''===
* '''Pete''' (Basic Go-Bot, 2003)
**''Accessories:'' Nightstick, shield.
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''GO-10'''
:Pete is a redeco of [[Policeman Pete]], transforming from a robot to an SUV with police markings. His deco replaces the "Tonka" on the side of his vehicle mode with the name "Peat", and the insignia on his door with a P star. The mold was also used for [[Fire Marshal Mike]].

::* ''[https://web.archive.org/web/20150921033838/http://www.gobotsarepurelove.com:80/toys/peat.shtml Pete at Go-Bots are Pure Love (via Wayback Machine)]''

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Nightbeat (G1)

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Gigirassy: adding archive link

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:''Nightbeat is an [[Autobot]] [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:Spotlight Nightbeat cvrA clean.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|My mind's like an engine, racing out of control; a rocket tearing itself to pieces, trapped on the launchpad...''I need a case!'']]

'''Nightbeat''', a self-declared detective, loves mystery, suspense, and conspiracy. When Nightbeat is on the trail for clues, nothing else matters. Deny him information, and he'll doggedly pursue every possible lead until he's obtained it. This monomania has famously gotten him into trouble over his head more times than he can count, yet in the face of adversity, he remains cool, confident, and even irreverent. Over the course of his investigations, Nightbeat's wont to ignore rules, regulations, and any sort of social niceties. He has insulted creatures many times his size and committed huge faux-pas to uncover the truth. It is not so much that Nightbeat is brave, but more that, when the thrill of the hunt has him, he will not be denied.

Nightbeat has a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] partner, [[Muzzle]], whom he gets along ''amazingly'' well with. The two seem to have been of one mind even before they were [[Binary bonding|binary bonded]].

{{bigquote|For me, it's all about the '''details'''. Look closely at something and it'll make sense. If it '''doesn't''', look '''closer'''.|Nightbeat|"[[Omega's Conundrum]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
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[[File:Sirennightbeatbigshutdown.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|"Nightbeat, I thought 'Truth is revealed in the smallest detail' is what you always say." "...Shut up, Siren."]]
''Shortly after being made a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] and joining [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s crew on Earth, Nightbeat learned of a mysterious robot corpse which had seemingly washed up on the [[California]]n shoreline. He decided to investigate, bringing along [[Siren (G1)|Siren]] to serve as his personal "Watson". At the scene of the crime, they found a pair of Transformers hovering over [[Playback (G1)|the body]], and who quickly burned rubber once they spotted the Autobots. Sending Siren off to chase them down, Nightbeat pulled out the giant retractable magnifying glass in his sleeve and went to work collecting evidence from the body.''

''Finding a serial brand from a Decepticon prison on the body, and identifying a signature Decepticon [[cyclone cannon]] as the murder weapon, Nightbeat concluded that a lone, well-armed Decepticon was hunting down escaped Autobot prisoners. Siren returned at that moment, correcting Nightbeat's analysis by informing him the prisoners weren't escapees, but deliberately let loose as prey to be hunted down. His source? The surviving prisoner, [[Hosehead (G1)|Hosehead]], and the lone, well-armed Decepticon named [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] who was right on their tails. Thinking quickly, Nightbeat had his Nebulan partner Muzzle binary-bond with the dead Autobot in order to partially reactivate his motor functions. Caught off-guard by his prey supposedly coming back to life right in front of him, Thunderwing left himself wide open when Muzzle disengaged and Nightbeat blew up the Autobot's fuel core at close enough range to send Thunderwing packing into the waves to dose the flames. Hosehead then returned to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] with Nightbeat and Siren.'' {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}} {{storylink|Rage!}}

[[File:Nightbeatdeathbringer.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Get your head out of 1984, Prime!]]
''Optimus Prime was confiding in Nightbeat his desire to find a way to restore the warriors who were destroyed during the [[Underbase Saga]] when they received a distress signal from the Earth's surface. Nightbeat assembled a combat team that included [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]], Siren, Hosehead, [[Getaway]], and himself, and under Optimus Prime's command, they rushed to Earth to help their fallen comrades. There they found the [[Deathbringer (Marvel)|Deathbringer]], who had come to cleanse the planet of life. Ironically, Deathbringer was powered by the energies of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]], the very thing Prime had desired earlier to restore his fallen warriors! And it had to be destroyed to save Earth! While the rest of the combat team were getting slaughtered by Deathbringer, Nightbeat pulled away and consulted via comlink [[Waverider]] on the Ark. Through Waverider's information digging, Nightbeat learned that Deathbringers were mechanoids designed to give death painlessly to the terminally ill. Though this particular Deathbringer's purpose had been twisted, Nightbeat devised a means to use its own programming against it. Nightbeat clued Optimus in on his plan, and the Deathbringer was told that its own body was diseased, and that it should destroy itself. It did, leaving Nightbeat and Prime a hollow victory with questions about the true essence of the Matrix.'' {{storylink|Deathbringer (issue)|Deathbringer}}

''Later, Thunderwing emerged from the ocean, intent on destroying Nightbeat, Hosehead, and Siren. To this end, he led his troops on a suicidal attack on the Ark, interrupting the Autobots' downtime in the process. As he helped repel the invaders, Nightbeat revealed to Siren that he had already begun suspecting that Thunderwing had survived their previous encounter. Despite his immense power, Thunderwing was no match for all of the Autobots aboard the Ark, and was soon repelled.'' {{storylink|Assault on the Ark!}}

[[File:Nightbeatincontrol.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|But what does he think about waterboarding?]]
During the Matrix Quest, Nightbeat led Hosehead and Siren on a search of the planet [[Pz-Zazz]] for any sign of the Matrix. Pz-Zazz was on file as a vibrant, lush world; in reality it was a cesspool, festering with mob violence and untamed decadence. While questioning the wrong sort of people, the Autobots were caught in the middle of a crossfire between B'hgdad's men and Gutt's boys. One alien on the street fared worse than they did, passing on a mysterious [[bird|bird statue]] to Siren before dying in his arms. Despite Nightbeat's keen interest in the clear film noir plot developing around them, Siren and Hosehead convinced him to put the bird aside and continue searching for the Matrix.

At the next bar they were canvassing, the Autobots were confronted by the delightful Miss [[Fatale]]. Fatale informed them of a legendary Font of Life which had once lit a nearby mountaintop. The sick and weak would pilgrimage to the mountain in order to touch a "sacred idol" and heal their wounds. She offered to lead them to the temple on the mountain in exchange for the bird, which she claimed was her property. Suspicious, Nightbeat sent Hosehead and Siren ahead to the mountain with Fatale while he retrieved the bird from where they had stashed it. Confronted by B'hgdad and his men, Nightbeat only managed to escape after chipping off a piece of the bird's outer enamel, revealing the radiant life-source within. Briefly considering keeping the bird as a replacement for the Matrix, to help heal all his comrades aboard the Ark, Nightbeat quickly rejected the idea and returned the bird to its rightful place on the mountain's altar, releasing waves of pure light and hope to revitalize Pz-Zazz and its people.

Then he got shot in the back. No good deed goes unpunished. {{storylink|Bird of Prey!}}

Thunderwing and his [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] had gotten wind of Autobot parties searching this one area of the galaxy, and his curiosity was piqued. Hooking Nightbeat and the others up to his torturous [[Mind Leech]] device, Thunderwing extracted all he needed to know about the Matrix Quest and the possible planets on the search list. {{storylink|Kings of the Wild Frontier.}} The Autobot trio remained captives on board the [[Thunderwing's ship|Decepticon ship]] until Thunderwing backhanded his minion [[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]] into some equipment. {{storylink|Deadly Obsession}} This caused a short circuit which, unknown to the Decepticons, freed Nightbeat and his team. {{storylink|Dark Creation}} Learning that Thunderwing had successfully found the Matrix in their absence and was planning to sneak aboard the Ark in a stolen [[Ark shuttlecraft|Autobot shuttle]], Nightbeat and pals stowed away on the shuttle in the hopes of disrupting the Decepticons' schemes somehow.

[[File:Nightbeatmatrixguideme.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Stop writing our captions for us, Nightbeat.]]
The situation was worse than they thought. The Matrix was corrupted from a series of unstable hosts, and now had an evil sentience that had overwhelmed Thunderwing and made him a puppet to its will. With the combined forces of the Ark unable to best the Thunderwing / Matrix combo, Nightbeat devised a desperate plan. As Siren triggered the shuttle's self-destruct sequence, Nightbeat fired the ship's grappling [[harpoon]] straight through Thunderwing's chest and shut off the docking clamps, just as Hosehead turned off the [[artificial gravity]] in the hangar bay. The result was the shuttle being sucked out into the black void, taking Thunderwing and the Matrix along with it before exploding. Thunderwing was last seen hurtling through space, still harpooned to a piece of flaming debris. {{storylink|All Fall Down}}

[[File:Nightbeateyeofthestorm.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|And a second gunman! On the grassy knoll!]]
Optimus Prime next gave Nightbeat an investigational assignment to look into the disappearance and supposed death of [[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] in a massive explosion on Cybertron some months back. After reviewing witness statements and making a few leaps of deductive logic, Nightbeat reached the hypothesis that Ratchet may have been cast into a [[trans-time dimensional portal|dimensional portal]] they knew had been active at the time of the explosion and then been caught between space as the explosion destroyed the delicate portal mechanism. To test his theory, Nightbeat arranged for an inter-dimensional probe to search for and retrieve Ratchet's spark signature in [[unspace]], assuming it was anywhere to be found. {{storylink|Eye of the Storm}}

It was. Nightbeat witnessed Ratchet materializing on the Ark, fused at a molecular level to Megatron in a horrific blending of two mechanoids, both in constant and indescribable agony. [[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]] was more than willing to put the grotesque fusion down, but Nightbeat begged him to stay his hand. Upon explaining how the Ratchet/Megatron fusion had come to appear on the ship, Nightbeat was berated by Kup, who asked him if he didn't think their friend was better off dead than in his current state. The discussion on the matter was cut short by the creature tackling the Autobots into a nearby wall and then scampering off to cause havoc throughout the Ark. Nightbeat and the others tracked it down to the engine room, where Kup told Optimus that his recent unpopular decisions risked turning the rest of his crew against him. Optimus turned to the others for confirmation on Kup's statement, and Nightbeat couldn't bring himself to look his leader in the eye. Finding his resolve, Optimus managed to subdue the creature, and Autobot medic [[Fixit (G1)|Fixit]] took steps to separate the pair, who were then placed in stasis chambers. {{storylink|The Pri¢e of Life!}}

[[File:AllThisAndCivilWar2 NightbeatScorponok.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|right|"If I'm to save the world, your existence must come to an end before you take office."]]
During the aftermath, Optimus Prime surrendered his forces, including Nightbeat, to [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]]'s Decepticons on Earth, hoping to use his desperate action to unite both factions against [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]. This alliance was about to form when the entire Decepticon base imploded in on itself due to an attack from [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]]'s small team of rival Decepticon forces. {{storylink|Surrender!}} Nightbeat survived this initial strike, and along with Optimus Prime and the other Autobots, emerged and tried to keep the new Decepticon Civil War from spreading beyond the area. Optimus charged himself and Nightbeat with keeping Scorponok specifically out of Manhattan. {{storylink|...All This and Civil War 2}} However, when [[G.B. Blackrock]]'s team of robot-fighting mutants, the [[Neo-Knights]] arrived, Nightbeat was the first to fall at the hands of the psychotic [[Circuit Breaker (G1)|Circuit Breaker]]. As the fighting neared its end, and the alliance began to form again, [[Primus]] teleported the Earth-bound Transformers to Cybertron; Nightbeat's antenna was in contact with the Neo-Knight's helicopter, accidentally bringing them to Cybertron as well! {{storylink|Out of Time!}}

[[File:Nightbeatsnapdragon.jpg|upright=0.8|thumb|left|Oh no! Muzzle!]]
Once on Cybertron, Nightbeat, able to stand up again, watched as Primus spoke through [[Emirate]] [[Xaaron]], telling "his children" of their origin and their charge to defeat Unicron. {{storylink|The Void! (US)|The Void!}} Once Unicron arrived, the alliance was put to the test, and Nightbeat was among several Autobots who utilized [[sky-sled]]s in their attacks on the Dark God. He was annoyed at both Siren's and Hot Rod's reckless abandon when they joined in on the attack, but all three managed to survive this cataclysmic battle. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}}

Nightbeat was seen nailing both an Autobot and Decepticon logo on the wall of their fragile alliance's headquarters {{storylink|Still Life!}} and joined the Autobots in their delayed evacuation of Cybertron. As they headed for [[Klo]], he urged [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] to cool down and save his bring-a-prick for the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Last Autobot?}} Unfortunately, the Decepticons were aware of the Autobots' surprise attack, and all but five Autobots were destroyed. [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] kicked a head away from Nightbeat's remains. {{storylink|End of the Road! (US)|End of the Road!}}

{{note|It can be assumed that Nightbeat was revived along with the other casualties by the [[Last Autobot]].}}

=====Another Time & Place=====
When the Decepticons took control of the [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]] on [[Hydrus Four]], Nightbeat joined a commando unit of Autobots to infiltrate their position. Their first obstacle was [[Fangry (G1)|Fangry]], but luck was on their side. The Decepticon tracker was looking to kill something, and bent waaaaay over the water trying to skewer a fish. Nightbeat just had to give him a tiny nudge, and Fangry fell over into the waiting arms of the Autobots hidden in the murky water. The rest of the surviving Decepticons were defeated in short order afterwards, bringing an end to the Cybertronian civil war. {{storylink|Another Time & Place}}

====''Transformers Comic-Magazin''====
Nightbeat was present when Powermaster Optimus Prime led the Autobots against the joint Decepticon leaders Shockwave and Megatron, who had tried to hijack the oil reserves of [[Alaska]]. Nightbeat was hit by a laser, causing him to transform into [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]. The Autobots drove off the Decepticons, but not before [[Quickmix (G1)|Quickmix]] shot a minibot because he turned off his targeting computer. Optimus then sat his troops down and explained to them the differences between Autobots and Decepticons. {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 2|Attack at Dawn}}

Recordings of the attack on Alaska, along with Optimus Prime reviewing Nightbeat's characteristics to Bumblebee, were used in a wayward simulation experienced by [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 15|Memories of Bumblebee}}

Nightbeat was among the Autobots who fought to safeguard the nuclear arms at [[Nevada Alpha]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 8|Save Nevada Alpha}}

====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
[[File:Dirge DeathSwarm.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|left|We hate you, Furman, forever.]]
Nightbeat worked on a computer console as Optimus Prime and Megatron observed some data on the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]]. When [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'s [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian army]] attacked the base, Nightbeat's console exploded, sending him flying across the room. {{storylink|Swarm (issue)|Tales of Earth Part Six}}

He later appeared among the Autobot forces just long enough to sacrifice himself futilely against the Swarm, self-destructing alongside [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]. Moments later, Megatron showed up with the [[rheanimum]] that could have saved him. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}
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====''Classics''====
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[[File:Nightbeatsirencheapshots.jpg|right|upright=1.6|thumb|Detective by trade, but moonlights as a babysitter.]]
When the war ended with the Decepticons' defeat on Klo, Nightbeat initially accepted [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]]'s offer to search the galaxy for [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and his scattered troops. However, Nightbeat soon tired of this mission and left. He and his former [[Binary bonding|binary bonded]] partner [[Muzzle]] were put back on track when Optimus hired them as his personal investigative agents, but they quickly found themselves stifled by military authority, and struck out on their own. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 22|''Classics'' Muzzle profile}} They teamed up with [[Siren (G1)|Siren]] and his partner [[Quig]], and afterwards picked up [[Lug (G1)|Lug]] from [[Nebulos]] {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 22|''Classics'' Lug profile}} The group was afterwards joined by a new [[human]] recruit, [[Minerva (human)|Minerva]]. [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] and [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] became part of the gang when the two intoxicated Dinobots burst in on one of their sting operations. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 22|''Classics'' Slag profile}}

[[File:Nightbeatcheapshotsnoggin.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|left|You'd lose the ears, too, if you hung out with Siren.]]
Nightbeat's crew once had to <s>set their ship down on the planet [[Azure]] for repairs</s> crash their ship into the only repair bay on Azure equipped to repair their ship, and they were stranded there for the interim. After a barroom brawl, Nightbeat found that he was a person of interest to a potential client, a sentient ship named ''[[Amory]]''. ''Amory'' required the services of Nightbeat and his team in finding her pilot, [[Phyrion]]. However, the entire arrangement was a setup put together by the Decepticons [[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]] and [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]], who had assembled an alleged "new [[Mayhem Attack Squad]]" by promising payment to [[Octopunch (G1)|Octopunch]] and [[Stranglehold]] for their assistance. Ruckus wasn't very smart, however, and had brought his hostage with him. The Decepticons were brutalized and Phyrion was returned to ''Amory''. Regretting her involvement, ''Amory'' paid the Autobots for her services, plus she chipped in for a new head for Nightbeat, as his was damaged during the battle. Despite their short run-in with good luck, Nightbeat and his crew were still stranded on Azure without a working ship. In the meantime, surely someone was in need of a detective... {{storylink|Cheap Shots}}
[[File:GravitonCrew.png|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Nightbeat and the rest of the crew eventually set up an official "Nightbeat and Associates" agency for hire. {{Storylink|At Fight's End}} Nightbeat and his team managed to survive the destruction of [[Primax 207.0 Epsilon|their universe]] and ended up in [[Axiom Nexus]]. {{storylink|Epilogue}}
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====''Regeneration One''====
{{NoteRG1}}
[[File:Zero unit the war to end all wars.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67|"I'm afraid we're not going to get much help from the Batcomputer, Robin. It can't go back to prehistoric times."]]
When "[[Primus]]" set [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]] adrift in [[Zero Space]] he witnessed a series of events that could spell the end of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] including Nightbeat and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] battling the [[Dark Matrix]]-infected [[Deathbringer (Marvel)|Deathbringer]]. {{storylink|Less Than Zero}} After becoming Rodimus Prime, he formed Nightbeat and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Bumblebee]] into the "[[Zero Unit]]", a group tasked with finding the cause of the Zero Effect around.

Working out of [[Ops-Command HQ]], the Zero Unit decided that out of the four disparate strands of the Zero Effect, their time would be best spent investigating the missing Senator [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]], realising that as a prominent Cybertronian he would most likely have had offworld dealings. They sent bulk pulsewaves to any mech civilisations that might have encountered him asking for information but received nothing back in reply until they launched a probe... and suddenly Jhiaxus's entire fleet materialised in the skies above Cybertron! {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 1}}

Rodimus returned to the [[Presidium (facility)|Presidium]] to consult with Nightbeat, Bumblebee and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]. They cautioned against making any aggressive moves, instead advising the Autobot leader to meet with Jhiaxus at the [[Eugenesis Plaza]] where he could be covered by snipers nearby. The Zero Unit monitored the situation as Prime took the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]] leader to [[Nova Point]] to continue their conversation in "private", moving in along with [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] the moment diplomacy went out of the window and Jhiaxus turned violent. Nightbeat directed [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] to attend to the casualties while he, [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] dug out their leader. Appraising Prime of the situation, he noted that the Zero Unit had managed to capture a large amount of data during the Cybertronians' visit and had perhaps come up with a way to hurt them, convincing Rodimus to take the fight to the enemy. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 2}}

[[File:Nightbeat the war to end all wars.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|"To the Beat-Mobile!!"{{-}}"You mean your Chevy?"{{-}}"...Yes."]]
Along with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]], [[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]], [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] and Bumblebee, Nightbeat landed at area 59, subdivision 17.4, branch 5: Z-9-#J-4 of the [[Hub (G2)|Hub Network]] and using telemetry from the probe they had launched and structural analysis of the Hub itself, he postulated that striking a key link of the superstructure—with the warhead yields synchronised with the local frequency harmonics—would cause a chain reaction, destroying the whole network. While the Autobot ships ''[[Lancer One]]'' and ''[[Lancer Two]]'' launched the warheads successfully, Jhiaxus had anticipated this entire strategy and taken steps to protect the Hub. He then sent his troops to retaliate against the invading Autobot forces, forcing Rodimus Prime to surrender. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 3}}

Locked up in the [[Corral]] and forced to watch their comrades being arbitrarily executed, Nightbeat and the rest of the Autobots were eventually freed when Rodimus Prime took advantage of the distraction afforded by the [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]]/[[Underbase]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]]/[[Ark (G1)|Ark]] hybrids. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 4}}

Upon their return to Cybertron they found that it was a ghost planet, populated by energy-draining [[shadow-leech]]es that Nightbeat quickly surmised were deadly to the touch after they sucked the lives out of [[Hosehead (G1)|Hosehead]] and [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]]. As Rodimus Prime headed into Zero Space to confront the leeches' Dark Matrix master, the rest of the Autobots secured the [[Star Chamber]] where Nightbeat deduced that the situations unfolding on [[Earth]] and [[Nebulos]] were also part of the Dark Matrix's plan and dispatched teams of Autobots via [[space bridge]] to deal with them. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 5}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Nightbeatageofwrath.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|left|''War Within'' Nightbeat transforms into Roger Clemens.]]
One of the few remaining Autobots battling the Decepticons during the [[Age of Internment]], Nightbeat was leader of a strike team consisting of Hosehead, Siren, [[Slapdash (G1)|Slapdash]], [[Joyride (G1)|Joyride]], and [[Getaway]]. They were tasked with acquiring a member of the [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]] for [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] to study and, hopefully, find some sort of defense against. Using Getaway as a decoy with the rest of the team hiding under a [[null-field cloak]], they managed to lure three of them into a trap at [[Nova Cronum]]. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}} After the first two drones were destroyed, the third simply shut itself down. As Nightbeat discussed the best course of action with [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], he approached it with an [[inhibitor claw]] - only for it to suddenly reactivate and slam Nightbeat against a wall, temporarily knocking him out of commission. Nightbeat revived shortly afterwards but was helpless to stop the rampaging drone, which was eventually put down by Getaway. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.3}}

{{Unreleased WW comic}}

Nightbeat and Getaway brought the inert drone to Perceptor, who discovered upon analyzing it that it was powered by cyberstatic energy. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.4}} When Optimus finally returned to Cybertron, Nightbeat and Perceptor brought him up to date with their current situation. Under his leadership, the Autobots were able to overthrow Megatron and thwart a Quintesson invasion. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.6}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|''[[Spotlight: Nightbeat|Transformers Spotlight: Nightbeat]]''}}

[[File:Nightbeat quark maccadams post hoc.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|Quark finds out that his role of Dr. Watson has been recast for Hardhead.]]

'''Nightbeat of [[Yuss]]''' {{storylink|The Not Knowing}} was [[Reproduction#2005 IDW continuity|constructed cold]]. He was among the first of the first wave of constructed cold Cybertronian brought online. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}} He desired to solve one of the "Big Three" mysteries, finding [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], finding the [[Ark (G1)|''Ark'']] or determining the purpose of [[Rung (G1)|Rung]]'s alternate mode. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|Metastasis}}

Four million years ago, Nightbeat was a hostage negotiator with an interest in political news. He disapproved of the [[Clampdown (event)|Clampdown]] and watched the early Decepticon movement with interest. Nightbeat was sharing a drink outside of [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's New Oil House]] with his friend [[Quark]] when they discovered the body of Senator [[Sherma]] hanging from the underside of the [[Sherma Bridge|Interstate Bridge]]. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc}}

Years later, Nightbeat was assigned by [[Zeta Prime (G1)|Zeta Prime]] to work a hostage exchange with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]] and [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]]. They were attacked by [[Slicer (group)|Slicers]] on the way there and Nightbeat was consistently annoyed by Alpha Trion's nebulous platitudes. The whole thing turned out to be a trap set by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] to capture Alpha Trion. Nightbeat and the others managed to get away while Orion Pax covered their escape. {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}}

After the war officially began, Nightbeat was part of the [[113th Battalion]] and took part in a massive battle against [[Black Shadow (G1)|Black Shadow]]. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}}

[[File:Nightbeat The Hunting Party.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]
Some time after Metroplex's departure from Cybertron, Nightbeat, [[Bumblebee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Bumblebee]], and [[Jetfire (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Jetfire]] were in space pursuing [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s [[Empirion|ship]] from a distance, trying to put a stop to them despite being outnumbered and outmatched. When Bludgeon found a remote asteroid with a small civilization of [[Urtuskian]]s and his troops attacked the outpost, the Autobots intervened to save as many lives as they could. Nightbeat was left on the asteroid's surface while Jetfire took care of the Decepticons' shuttle, and Bumblebee pursued Thundercracker down a tunnel. Though tired after having been through a long day, Nightbeat warded off the Decepticons until they broke off their attack. With their ship destroyed, Nightbeat and the others found themselves stuck on the planetoid for an unspecified amount of time. Thankfully, this was another of those "Bumblebee makes a friend" stories, as Nightbeat put it, and so they had hospitable hosts until they were rescued. {{storylink|The Hunting Party (IDW)|The Hunting Party}}

Decades ago, [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] was tried by [[Aequitas]] for several crimes as [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]], [[Solomus|Chief Justice Tyrest]], [[Xaaron]], Nightbeat, and others watched in disgust and/or intrigue. They decided that the records of the trials would be sealed until the final verdict would be reached, for fear of the damage the information about the trials would do to Autobot morale and potential for Decepticon propaganda usage. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Last Stand of the Wreckers #5}} Nightbeat also participated in the infamous [[Magnus Inquiry]] in [[Room 113]] of the [[Kimia Facility]], where High Command investigated allegations that "[[Gideon's Glue]]", the substance which brought such devastation on Flame's original troop on [[Babu Yar]], had been created originally by an Autobot. The investigation was ultimately inconclusive, and no formal charges were filed. {{storylink|Bullets}}

At some point Nightbeat was talking with Rewind, who recorded what he said. {{storylink|The Gloaming}}

[[File:SpotlightNightbeat NightbeatKrakon.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|Nightbeat, star of CSI: Kalis.]]
Nightbeat, passing the time by trying to answer the mystery of the first ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', went to meet with a mechanoid trader named [[Krakon]], only to find him dead by unknown means. Nightbeat followed the clues that the late Krakon (and his killers) left behind and was lured into an apparent trap on [[Gorlam Prime]]. He found a strange dimensional portal deep beneath the world, but got captured by an [[Straxus (G1)|unknown villain]] before he could tell anyone. They put something in his head, erased his memory, and then sent him back out into space. Shortly thereafter he was contacted by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] and ordered to head for [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Nightbeat}}

Nightbeat was one of the many bots surprised to hear of Blaster's miraculous return. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster}}

Aboard ''[[Ark-32]]'', Nightbeat arrived in Earth orbit with [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hot Rod]] and [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] in tow just as Optimus Prime and his troops were confronting [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] head-on in the breakaway Soviet state of [[Brasnya]]. {{storylink|Escalation issue 3|Escalation #3}} While his two rather over-eager companions headed to the surface, Nightbeat remained aboard the ship and provided intel for the Autobots below. {{storylink|Escalation issue 4|Escalation #4}}

Planetside, Hot Rod succeeded in carrying out his primary mission, the capture of the Decepticons' [[Facsimile construct|facsimile avatar]]. Anxious to re-join the battle, he requested Nightbeat to send him through a double orbital bounce—transporting him up to the ship just long enough to drop off his captive, then returning to the planet. Nightbeat was rather bemused at the thought of the thrill-seeking Hot Rod abandoning a combat zone, but complied. At that instant, though, [[Skywarp (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Skywarp]] and [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]] arrived and attacked Hot Rod. Nightbeat reported back to [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] that Hot Rod was in a [[CR chamber]], and the facsimile—injured by flak—had expired. {{storylink|Escalation issue 6|Escalation #6}}

[[File:Nightbeat-devastation1.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|left|I can bluff my way through anything, he thought, even Pictionary.]]
After [[Sunstreaker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sunstreaker]]'s disappearance, Nightbeat began investigating the sequence of events that led to his capture. Examining the [[SM-40]] Notepad stolen by [[Verity Carlo]], he discovered a homing device that had allowed Sunstreaker's unknown assailants to discover the underwater location of ''[[Ark-19]]''. Nightbeat ordered [[Bumblebee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Bumblebee]] on a scouting mission along the shores of [[Lake Michigan]], where Bumblebee discovered a great deal of advanced surveillance equipment. Deducing that ''Ark-19''’s location was compromised, Nightbeat advised Optimus and Prowl to move the ship immediately. Nightbeat handled navigation chores as the ship lifted off. Unfortunately, the Decepticon [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] attacked shortly thereafter, sending ''Ark-19'' plummeting to Earth. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1|Devastation #1}}

Per Optimus Prime's order, Nightbeat transferred the damaged ship's data to ''Ark-32'', then moved with the other Autobots to the ship's cargo bay shortly before it crashed into the [[Gulf of Mexico]] and self-destructed. {{storylink|Devastation issue 2|Devastation #2}}

Nightbeat and the others survived, however {{storylink|Devastation issue 3|Devastation #3}} and while the other Autobots battled Sixshot, Nightbeat attempted to activate the orbital bounce abilities of the ''Ark-32''. After a few Autobot injuries, Nightbeat was able to beam them up to the ship, along with [[Jimmy Pink]] and Verity Carlo, who nearly died during the bounce. Optimus Prime stayed behind to battle Sixshot alone, but once Sixshot left the battle, Nightbeat also evacuated Prime seconds before an air strike by the U.S. military. {{storylink|Devastation issue 4|Devastation #4}}

Afterward, Nightbeat studied the telemetry [[Hound (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hound]]'s unit sent on [[Leadfoot (G2)|Leadfoot]]'s death. {{storylink|Devastation issue 5|Devastation #5}} After examining the data, Nightbeat observed that it was as though a virus of unlife had attacked and destroyed every living cyber-cell in Leadfoot simultaneously, in a fraction of a [[Units of time|nano-klik]]. While it was something he had never encountered before, he couldn't shake the nagging feeling that he had forgotten something important, as if his memory had been tampered with. Seeking inspiration to jog his memory, he went down to the hangar of ''Ark 32'' where his personal ship was stored. {{storylink|Devastation issue 6|Devastation #6}} Nightbeat soon found out that he logged a message about his trip to Gorlam Prime, which he had no recollection of. He asked Hardhead to help him with his investigation. {{storylink|Spotlight: Cyclonus}}

[[File:Nightbeatexecuted.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|Watson had finally had enough of Holmes' lip.]]
Discovering a large part of his memory missing, a worried Nightbeat realised someone may have tampered with him and asked Hardhead to accompany him to Gorlam Prime, with orders to terminate Nightbeat if he turned. Upon arrival, they found the entire planet frozen. Nightbeat theorised that the planet was evolving somehow, from organic to techno-organic... to something like Cybertronians. His musings were interrupted by a force of small Transformers. As Hardhead held them off, Nightbeat found some kind of tunnels leading down to a strange cavern. There, losing control of himself, he turned his gun on Hardhead and [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] revealed himself to be in control of the Autobot. After providing some background on their plans, Jhiaxus, as Nightbeat, shot Hardhead in the head. However, he had not counted on Hardhead's resilience, and the Autobot escaped to the strange pool that served as a portal between the living and Dead universes. Jhiaxus attempted to persuade Hardhead into accepting a quick death over pointless resistance, but as he did so, Hardhead suddenly shot Nightbeat. As the Autobot died, Jhiaxus screamed, revealing to [[Nova Prime|Nemesis Prime]] that their agent was gone. Nemesis considered that he was now forced to take Nightbeat's mission as his own: Find and kill Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Spotlight: Hardhead}}

However, thanks to the Dead Universe, Nightbeat wasn't as dead as he seemed. Kept alive by its properties, he was dragged into the other universe, unbeknownst to Hardhead or anyone else, including the fabled Necrobot. But his brush with death left Nightbeat feeling that there was no [[Transformer afterlife|Afterspark]], no life ''after'' death. {{storylink|The Not Knowing}} {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|Metastasis}}

[[File:FinestHour-Nightbeat.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67|Probably sounds like Benedict Cumberbatch.]]
Nightbeat would eventually reappear 7 years later, following Orion Pax's group when they entered the Dead Universe. {{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}} He later appeared to the group after [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] started to leak strange fluids from his face. {{storylink|Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|Into the Abyss}} He then proceeded to convince them of his reliability by recounting the [[Spotlight: Hardhead|circumstances of his death]]. He then performed a cold-reading of Cyclonus and reassured him that [[Tailgate (G1)|his friend]] would recover, he finally started to lead the group to the contraction point of the Dead Universe.

All of this turned out to be a ruse on Nova Prime's part to lure the team into a trap with Nightbeat still being a sleeper agent. {{storylink|Finest Hour: Dark Cybertron Chapter 5|Finest Hour}} He was then left by Nova to protect the containment field that Pax's team were trapped in, he was briefly broken out of Nova's control by the contents of [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]]' palm just before Nova Prime arrived. {{storylink|No Exit: Dark Cybertron Chapter 6|No Exit}} He was then ordered to take the group to a separate cell where he explained that Nova was planning to use their [[spark]]s to strengthen the [[Kup (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|space bridge]] at the center of the Dead Universe.

He was broken out of Nova's control by Rodimus asking him to ask him the solve the mystery of what was in his palm and then he set them free from the cell. {{storylink|The Dead Are Not Enough: Dark Cybertron Chapter 7|The Dead Are Not Enough}} He then led the team through the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]] horde to the chamber holding Kup and was there when Nova Prime arrived. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} He helped the others keep the Sweeps busy while Orion Pax fought Nova Prime and reclaimed the title of Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}}

However, the team still had more problems as the Dead Universe was rapidly contracting around them and the Gorlam Prime portal was nowhere to be found. Nightbeat found a miniscule tear in the fabric of the universe which the group used to send a transmission through to [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]. {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} The group escaped the Dead Universe in time to save [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]] from [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], via [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]]'s chest. {{storylink|Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11|Black Planet}} Unfortunately Nightbeat, Cyclonus and Kup started to collapse due to the destruction of the Dead Universe, but Brainstorm managed to stabilize them. He later explained to Rodimus how the group managed to escape the Dead Universe: by creating a Space Bridge from Nova Prime's corpse. He also explained to Brainstorm on why he had a space bridge in his chest, he was later interested in how Rodimus had gotten the ''[[Lost Light]]''. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

[[File:WordsHangInTheAir-Nightbeat.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Nightbeat's door is too cool for the silent K.]]
Nightbeat later joined the crew of the ''Lost Light''. Before Megatron's trial took place Nightbeat exposed [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]'s "crew auditions" as fake due to the fact that Ultra Magnus would never allow them to be advertised as "Crewditions". He was also present at Megatron's trial on Luna-2. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Toward Peace}} Six months later, Nightbeat was among the group given a tour of the ship by [[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]]. {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}} He later joined [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] in trying to get [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] to leave his hab suite (number 208) and was instead intrigued by the number 8 being missing from the door. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Toward Peace}} Chromedome approached the detective to investigate a sudden change in the content of [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]]'s [[The Gloaming|message]], Nightbeat was quick to blame the change on the mnemosurgeon's grief (as the message had returned to its normal content) but quickly changed his mind when he saw Rewind himself standing in the doorway to the room. On the way back to Nightbeat's quarters the detective explained that he had seen a [[data ghost]] of Rewind due to the little 'bot's function as an archivist but Nightbeat was shocked to find that the walls of his quarters had disappeared! {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} As part of "Team Rodimus" Nightbeat was called in to investigate the dead body of a duplicate Rodimus. When Rodimus came to the conclusion that hacking off his right arm was the best way to proceed, Nightbeat stopped him. He reasoned that the body was not Rodimus' future self due to the Crisis Vote missing from his right hand. However, Rodimus revealed he had removed the results from his hand due to a talk with [[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]], only to be ignored as the wall in the room disappeared. When the entire ship began disintegrating Nightbeat and twenty other bots crammed into the new [[Rodpod]]. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}}

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Rodimus issued an order that everyone was to regroup at [[Ofsted XVII]]. [[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]] then suddenly disappeared followed by [[Gears (G1)|Gears]], [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]], Chromedome, Hound, and [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]]. [[Ravage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ravage]] then made his presence known and was knocked out by Megatron. Nightbeat dedicated himself to finding a pattern linking those who had been taken. Inspired by Cyclonus, he put forward the theory that those who were taken were all Forged. The theory seemed to be accepted by the [[M.T.O.]]s present only for Ratchet to point out several in the room where Forged and a few taken were constructed cold. Ultra Magnus eventually made contact with the Rodpod via holomatter and informed them everyone else had disappeared on the [[Leading Light]] only for he himself to disappear mid-sentence. Nightbeat then requested all the information on the crew trying to find the common denominator. It was only when [[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]] revealed that he was '''not''' on board the ''Lost Light'' when it first launched did Nightbeat make the connection. Everyone who disappeared was part of the original crew. Megatron was not amused and scolded him for failing to save anyone. Nightbeat, rattled, tried (badly) to suggest that it still counted that he'd worked it out.

Shortly after the Rodpod arrived at Ofsted XVII and found a bisected ''Lost Light'' {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}} Boarding the ship, the Autobots released Ravage to use his tracking ability. Ravage eventually found a dead Ultra Magnus or rather [[Minimus Ambus]] stripped of his armour. Skids identified that Magnus had been killed by a [[fusion cannon]] and Megatron and Ravage were locked up by the Autobots at Megatron's request. Nightbeat and [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] made their way to the engines to try and stop the leakage of quantum foam. The two began to discuss the strangeness of recent events and began to bond in the process, Nautica eventually came across Brainstorm's [[Time case|briefcase]]. Opening it they found nothing-failing to notice local space-time warping around them. Eventually they came to stairs leading to a lower deck, despite them being on the lowest deck. There they found [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]]'s headless corpse, Nightbeat realized who had attacked the ship and when he called his crew mates they all realized that the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] had attacked the ship. Nautica, however, refused to leave until they had searched the entire ship for survivors with Megatron arguing there would not be any. Ravage however soon detected Rewind hiding in the [[Magnus Armor]]. {{storylink|slaughterhouse}}

[[File:Slaughterhouse2-BeneathBrainstormsFaceplate.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.2|"Oh yeah? Then what is THIS?"]]
Nightbeat's being alive, combined with a ''female'' Nautica and an ''Autobot'' Megatron proved too much for the alternate Rewind who began whimpering and offered a data slug to Nightbeat to explain what happened. While he analyzed it Nautica realized that the ''Lost Light'' undergone a quantum duplication at launch creating an exact copy, just as valid as the original. Nightbeat confirmed this saying the Rodimus they found in the coffin was from this ship and died during the [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]] fiasco. Drift interred him and someone (according to Rewind ''deliberately'') deactivated Overlord's cell luring the D.J.D. to the ship. Nautica proposed deactivating the engines as the foam would destroy Ofsted XVII and theoretically restore their ship. Rewind offered to deactivate one of the quantum drums but would need someone of equal size to deactivate the other. The Autobots went to find the [[mass-displacement gun]] that their Brainstorm invented hoping the alternate one had also built one, in order to shrink someone down to help Rewind. While there Nightbeat and Nautica theorized that the alternate Rewind and his altered message appeared on their ship due to cross-contamination. They concluded that their ship disappeared because of how close it got to the alternate one, the paradox being too massive to ignore. Nightbeat then made the startling discovery that Brainstorm had a Decepticon insignia painted in his faceplate and that made their Brainstorm a spy! When they could not find the gun, Megatron offered to shrink himself down and help Rewind. The drums were deactivated and the Autobots blasted off in Rodpod with the alternate Rewind in tow. Nightbeat and Nautica theorized over how Rewind survived the quantum erasure with Nightbeat joking it was the "Power of Love". Nautica then asked him to explain how he managed to hold onto the alternate Brainstorm's briefcase. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}}

It turned out the briefcase was actually part of an intricate time-travel machine. Nightbeat immediately went to work studying it, until [[Perceptor (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Perceptor]] borrowed it. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}}

[[File:TheSensuousFrame NightbeatGetawaySurrounded.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.45|Nightbeat and Getaway in- ''The Case of "'''HOLY $#%&, WHAT THE $#%& ARE THOSE???'''"'']]
A few days later, the ''Lost Light'' set down on [[Scarvix]]. While wandering the ship, Nightbeat nearly got hit by Tailgate joyriding about on a [[hoverboard]]. Shortly thereafter he was present at Brainstorm's hearing at the hands of the [[Lost Light Internal Legal Affairs Committee]]. {{storylink|Our Steps Will Always Rhyme}}

When Rodimus summoned the entire ship's crew to make the momentous announcement that they'd actually accomplished something, Nightbeat and Nautica were some of the last to actually arrive, something Nightbeat felt was cool. It turned out Thunderclash was dying, and the entire crew had been invited to his pre-wake on the ''Vis Vitalis''. Once there, Nightbeat was one of the four people present who didn't dance at all. Eventually, feeling judged by everyone else, he decided to borrow [[Nautica's wrench]] and go off for a snoop, brushing off Nautica's attempt to introduce him to her ''Amica Endura'' Firestar. He soon stumbled upon Getaway having a lie-down, and tried to fake concern at him. This was interrupted by a manic Ravage running past, babbling about "them" being "everywhere". Following him into the morgue, Nightbeat wasn't interested in the bodies contained within, until he looked over [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]]'s corpse and found it was covered in hundreds of throbbing pustules, which were also growing on Getaway. Almost immediately, the two found themselves surrounded by strange shambling creatures. {{storylink|The Sensuous Frame}}

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The creatures did not appreciate Nightbeat trying to determine how they'd managed to remain hidden, and attacked him. Fortunately, Ravage appeared to drive them off, and at Getaway's suggestion they fled the morgue, though not before Nightbeat took a moment to study [[Photon (G1)|Photon]]'s corpse. The three soon met up with everyone else who'd ran into the creatures at the same time. Nightbeat began examining everyone, and found the creatures had already gotten to Skids, though he was confused as to why they seemed drawn to some people and not others. It was thanks to Firestar pointing out those people all had charismatic traits that finally clued Nightbeat in on what they were: [[personality tick]]s. Nightbeat had always dismissed these as a myth, but he worked it out from Firestar was burning a black diamond, which only came from the planet the ticks originated on.

He had an idea to kill the creatures, summoning the most charismatic people he knew of to kill them, but before he could implement it, the ticks attacked again. As the motley crew fought the ticks, they suddenly perished at the arrival of Rodimus and Megatron, baffling Nightbeat, since he hadn't had a chance to summon them. Turned out some other bunch of people had already come up with the idea and done it themselves. Afterward, Nightbeat attended an Earth Dance party at Swerve's, where he contributed to the dancing by tapping his foot. {{storylink|The Frail Gaze}}

[[File:Luther, Bender, and an engineer walk into a bar.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.3|"Surprise! I actually sound like Idris Elba!"]]
When Swerve disappeared suddenly and was found half-dead, it was Nightbeat that worked out how the bartender had been using a [[Holomatter|holomatter avatar]] to appear in public for him while he wasted away. Everyone went on a massive rescue effort on the hologram planet of "[[Swearth]]" in human avatars, with Nightbeat working with Rodimus, Nautica, and Megatron. While there, he rebuked Megatron for commenting that humans were fragile, believing the man was calling them weak. {{storylink|The One Where They Go to Earth}} It turned out the cause of Swerve's ailment was an old injury, inflicted during an encounter with the D.J.D. many years ago. When Velocity examined the wound, she found a message from Agent 113, which included the location of the Necrobot's homeworld. Naturally, the investigative Nightbeat leapt at the chance to "explain" that, and joined the expedition. When the ship landed, Nightbeat spotted the Necrobot at the front door of the vast structure he lived in, only to get the door slammed in his face. This did not deter Nightbeat, who made it clear he wouldn't leave until he got answers.

[[File:TheNotKnowing NightbeatHope.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4]]
So the Necrobot opened the door and ushered him in. As they walked and talked, he was surprised to find the Necrobot (aka [[Mortilus|Censere]]) could talk, and was old. Old enough to remember [[First Cybertronian Civil War|the ''first'' war]]. Nightbeat expressed profound disappointment that the Necrobot wasn't in fact magic, that he was just a "phony" using technology to track death, rather than what Nightbeat wanted: proof of life after death, proof he hadn't gotten after his headshot back on Gorlam Prime, which was causing him a severe amount of distress. However, Censere countered that just because there wasn't proof of the Afterspark didn't mean there ''wasn't'' either. Then Nightbeat asked why the Necrobot had let him in. It turned out it was because Nightbeat's unusual manner of death had made him a mystery, one of the disappeared. Learning of the list of the disappeared, Nightbeat examined it, and found the name of [[Dominus Ambus]], something he showed to a depressed Rewind. Later, as the crew prepared to leave, Nightbeat asked whether Censere would've saved him, had he been able to. When he was told he wouldn't, Nightbeat suggested that maybe the ancient 'bot should try saving those still living in the future. {{storylink|The Not Knowing}}

[[File:HowBrightTheirFrailDeeds NightbeatWill.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|"Maybe you can, I dunno... fit a little man in there or something."]]
At some point, Nightbeat was approached by [[Getaway]] and/or [[Atomizer]] and asked whether or not he would stand with them in a mutiny against Megatron. Responding in the negative, Nightbeat's memories of the event were then erased via [[nudge gun]]. Nightbeat later attended one of Megatron's lectures on the [[Knights of Cybertron]] where the class theorized about the clan markings they'd seen in their travels before Megatron, the victim of a psychic attack, punched Minimus Ambus across the room and dismissed the class. As part of [[Team Rodimus]], Nightbeat got volunteered to go on a mission to discover the cause of the attack. The group found themselves back on [[Necroworld]] with Censere having been brutally murdered. Accessing the logs, Nightbeat found the signal was beamed to the ''Lost Light'' but Censere deliberately corrupted it to try and scare off the crew. Eventually making contact with the ship, they found Getaway had led a mutiny against Rodimus and Megatron and the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] was knocking at the door. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

With the D.J.D. due to return at sunset, Rodimus gave orders to search the fortress for anything useful. Nightbeat found a teleport chamber that had just enough power to teleport them all to safety before Nautica and Velocity revealed the existence of organics in life-support pods. As the group began to debate their actions, Megatron announced he was staying behind and made a passioned speech that convinced the group to stand and fight. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 2: The Sun in Flight|The Sun in Flight}} With death seemingly assured, Nightbeat recorded a will asking that his head be preserved but that the rest of his body be burned. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

[[File:DoNotGoGentle NightbeatRungGeobomb.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4]]
As Brainstorm measured Minimus for a new suit of armor, Nightbeat literally begged him for a chance to investigate the mystery of Necroworld's hollow interior in the hopes that solving one last mystery could save them all and promising to return before sunset. Taking [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] with him, the two briefly stopped off to take part in Nautica's [[Amica Endura]] ritual, in which the Camien boat thanked Nightbeat for his curiosity. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} Despite his earlier promise, the internal gravity played havoc with their internal clocks and Nightbeat and Rung were gone long past ''sunrise''. As they emerged onto the center of the hollow world, Nightbeat revealed to Rung how long they had really been gone before the psychiatrist pointed out the inverted pattern of the [[Vinvissius Canals]]. The two realized that Necroworld was the mould that Cybertron had been poured into before the moment was ruined by a [[geobomb]] suddenly teleporting in. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

[[File:AWorldMisplaced BrainstormNightbeatSquees.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Nerds.]]
After "very nearly" being teleported back to the surface, Nightbeat ran to Rodimus and explained his findings along with the geobomb's seemingly harmless detonation. With a group ready to return to Cybertron, Minimus ordered Nightbeat to keep an optic on [[Anode]]. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|Some Other Cybertron}} Nightbeat passed the time by analyzing a flower dedicated to people [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] had killed before Rodimus called with news that caused Brainstorm to squee and do three laps. Taking over, Nightbeat was informed that they were in a [[Functionist Universe|parallel universe]] causing him to squee and do three laps. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced|A World Misplaced}}

Seeking to break Rung out of his funk, Nightbeat invited the doctor to a sit-down. Rung soon revealed that [[information creep]] caused him to forget much of his past including his ability to produce [[photonic crystal]]s. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}} With all three mysteries now lost to him, Nightbeat devoted himself to finding out if there was life after death. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|Metastasis}}

[[File:TheGodWar NightbeatAscends.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.3|Nightbeat tends [[End of the Road! (US)|to die]] [[A Rage in Heaven!|at the]] [[Spotlight: Hardhead|eleventh hour]].]]
After returning to their native reality, Nightbeat was part of the group welcoming back Rodimus's team. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|This Machine Kills Fascists}} He later talked with Brainstorm about the science of how they'd made it home. Nightbeat then boarded [[Skip]] to leave Necroworld. {{storylink|After Megatron (A Dissolution Epilogue)|After Megatron}} Aboard the cramped ship, Nightbeat sequestered himself in a small corner and had drinks. {{storylink|Sardines}}

When the ship started to collapse as the mass displacement override wore off on Skip, Ten (of all people) guided the crew through the [[Warren]] in effort to reach a [[Mederi]] facility so as to seek aid for Ratchet. While they managed to access the quantum structure, the crew was forced to bail out mid-transit, their bodies being ravaged by super-compressed space. Nightbeat then found himself in the [[Transformer afterlife|Afterspark]], the realm turning him melancholic at his failure to solve any of life's great mysteries, even the one he had set himself. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|Metastasis}} As the group continued to explore the Afterspark, Nightbeat continued to mope until he spied a trail of photonic crystals and followed them back to the hovering Matrix. In doing so, he belatedly realized that Rung had not needed to transform to produce the crystals, meaning their production could not have been his alternate mode's purpose. As he continued to gather them, he eventually worked out what Rung actually turned into but before he could share his discovery with anyone, his sheer joy at solving one of the Big Three mysteries caused him to "ascend" on the spot, {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (2): The God War|The God War}} never learning that the "Afterspark" was nothing more than an elaborate hologram created by the telepaths on the original Mederi, a moon-sized euthanasia clinic that the crew had accidentally wound up on. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (3): You Are Here|You Are Here}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' marketing material===
An ancient [[Titan Master]] as well as a skilled detective, Nightbeat helped crew the massive [[Titan (group)|Titan]] robots as they explored the universe near the dawn of time. His special spark gifts which he carried out to the friendly worlds they met and was able to share with any robot he joins with were enhanced tracking abilities. Upon returning in modern times he joined up with the Autobots. {{storylink|#TitansReturn|''Titans Return'' Nightbeat online bio}}

===Legends World===
[[File:LegendsManga BonusEdition42 Minerva Verse.jpg|thumb|left|100px|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr-Lw11xO6U -I'm Barry Allen -I'm Barry Allen]]]

Nightbeat was a [[human]] resident of the [[Legends World]] and that universe's version of [[Minerva (human)|Minerva]]. When Minerva appeared in the same world, Nightbeat figured that if they were the same person, she could become a [[Masterforce (technology)|Masterforce]] warrior too. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 42|Bonus Edition Vol. 42}} She succeeded thanks to a pair of prototype [[Master-Brace]]s provided by [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]], who hired her services to solve the mysteries surrounding the Masterforce system. As part of their partnership, Rewind collected data on the subject by having her Master-Braces mass-produced, temporarily creating an army of Headmasters identical to her. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 28|Bonus Edition Vol. 28}}

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When [[Axalon Trading Company|Autobot Axalon Trading Company]] began building a new [[Godbomber]], Nightbeat believed it held a clue and used her similarity to Minerva to infiltrate their base and copy Godbomber's blueprints. Caught in the act, she revealed her true identity as well as the fact that she was working with [[Decepticon]]s despite them only wanting to use Godbomber for evil. They stole Godbomber and finished construction thanks to [[Tera-Kura Co.|Decepticon Tera-Kura Co.]], and when they learned it needed a Headmaster to function, she took the spot to test her Masterforce abilities. Impressed by the power Godbomber granted her, she tested herself further by taking on and easily defeating [[Ginrai (human)|Super Ginrai]] before another Godbomber showed up, controlled by its own Headmaster. It combined with Ginrai into God Ginrai, who defeated Nightbeat and explained that Godbomber itself was a Master-Brace that connected humans and robots through [[Chōkon Power]]. Realizing that Master-Braces served to bridge organic and robotic life to create a new type of lifeform, Nightbeat declared the mystery solved and was delighted that Godbomber's technology could be used for the [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] project. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 42|Bonus Edition Vol. 42}}

Nightbeat continued helping the Decepticons with Trypticon, even charming [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] into lending a hand. She participated in the Decepticons' attack on [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], controlling [[Full-Tilt (G1)|Full-Tilt]]'s transtector for him while his head component sneaked in and stole Metroplex's [[transformation cog]]. {{storylink|LG43 Trypticon Mobilization Chapter: Decepticon Civil War|Decepticon Civil War}} She was among the world's Masterforce warriors when they all joined forces to defeat [[Devil Z]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Grand Maximus)|Bonus Edition Grand Maximus}}

After the Legends World was destroyed, Nightbeat watched on as the Autobots, Zamojin, and Legends refugees restored the universe. She was one of several people whose wishes were channeled through [[White Leo]]'s [[MVP Weapon]] to aid in the recreation. {{storylink|Transformers Legends Final Chapter "Epiloge"|Epiloge}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[The Change In Your Nature Part One|''Transformers'' #13]]}}

When [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] returned to Cybertron, he cracked down on policing, sending ''every'' [[Security Operations]] member to root out [[the Rise]]. Kicking down the door to a drug den, Nightbeat requested calm and to be directed to [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]'s squad from the [[War of the Threefold Spark]]. {{storylink|The Change In Your Nature Part One}}

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Nightbeat visited a brooding [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], seeking his old colleague's help. He commented on the unimaginative name Prowl had picked for [[Green|his pet]] and told Prowl that Security had a new lead on The Rise. Soon, Nightbeat had cadets [[Strongarm (G1)|Strongarm]] and [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] observing as Prowl forcefully interrogated [[Singe]] to shake loose some information. Singe's tip-off led them to [[Swindle's]], with the illegal gambling den possibly having ties with The Rise. Nightbeat let Prowl form the plan to infiltrate Swindle's and look for evidence of Rise activity, waiting outside as Bumper entered alone and scouted the place. After Bumper was rumbled by [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]], Nightbeat and the rest busted in and chaos erupted. Nightbeat was taken out when [[Whisper (G1)|Visper]] rammed into him in jet mode, but recovered just in time to help Prowl apprehend and prepare to interrogate [[Storm Cloud (G1)|Storm Cloud]]. {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons: Swindle's|Swindle's}}

After Sentinel Prime convened a [[Senate]] session to denounce the [[Decepticon|Ascenticon]] faction, Nightbeat stood on guard outside the building facing a massive crowd, and watched them part to allow [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and his fellow Ascenticon senators to approach. {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons: We Have Deceived You|We Have Deceived You}}

Following the start of the Decepticon uprising, Nightbeat was among those who accompanied [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] to the [[Forge Pyramid]] and helped defend it against a Decepticon attack. {{storylink|War World: Titans|Titans}} Nightbeat later evacuated [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] with the rest of the Autobots after Optimus Prime's parlay with Megatron failed. {{storylink|War World: We Are Not Meant To Be Darkness|We Are Not Meant To Be Darkness}}

Nightbeat took part in the defense of [[Darkmount (Cybertron)|Darkmount]] when the Decepticons launched an attack to prevent the Autobots from leaving the planet. The Autobots succeeded in launching the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' and headed to the [[Winged Moon]] to plan their future out among the stars. {{storylink|Transformers: Fate of Cybertron|Fate of Cybertron}}

==Commercial appearances==
[[File:NightbeatTV.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Feel the beat of the rhythm of the Nightbeat.]]
While being driven by [[Muzzle]] on the surface of an unidentified planet (with [[Siren (G1)|Siren]] and [[Hosehead (G1)|Hosehead]] at his side), Nightbeat transformed into [[robot mode]]. Shortly thereafter, three [[Decepticon]] Headmasters burst through a wall, and Nightbeat engaged [[Horri-Bull]] in battle. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Small Headmasters|Small Headmasters Commercial}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
Early in the war, Nightbeat, Orion Pax, and Alpha Trion escorted the Decepticon prisoners Rack'n'Ruin towards a prisoner exchange. After encountering Slicers and fending them off, the group met with Bludgeon, only to be ambushed by the Decepticons. In the confusion, Alpha Trion was captured, only to be later rescued by the combined efforts of Nightbeat and Orion. {{storylink|Orion's Gambit}}

Nightbeat teamed up with [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] to investigate when a suspicious pattern emerged in a string of Decepticon victories. They eventually uncovered [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s infiltration and sent the Decepticon and his tapes packing. {{storylink|Covert Operations}}

Nightbeat and [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] were dispatched from the ''[[Lost Light]]'' to explore a distant planet. There they met a group of Decepticons, and joined forces with them to battle their mutual foes, the [[Ammonite]]s. Though several Ammonite attacks were thwarted by the alliance, soon differing opinions caused infighting in the group. Eventually, both the Ammonites and the Decepticons were defeated, and the two Autobots returned to their spaceship. {{storylink|Into the Abyss}}
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===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:BattleTacticsNightbeat.jpg|thumb|right|400px|His objective here is to find out what is the purpose of these battles.]]
Nightbeat participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was an Rare character that could be recruited by collecting 75 units of Cybermetal, 35 units of Transmetal, and 20 soldier cores. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1Nightbeat toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Too cool for Playskool.]]
*'''Nightbeat with Muzzle''' (Headmaster, [[1988]])
**''Accessories'': "Muzzle" Headmaster driver, seat/helmet, [[plasma blaster]] rifle, left & right [[photon pistol]]s
:Nightbeat transforms into a blue and yellow Porsche 959. The roof is hinged and can be opened to reveal an interior that his Headmaster unit, Muzzle, can sit inside of. His head guns can be stored just above the headlights while his rifle can be plugged onto the roof.

:In [[robot mode]], like all Headmaster toys, Nightbeat has a flip-down panel on his chest which covers a spring-loaded mini-[[Tech Spec|Tech-Spec]]-meter which gives readings for Speed, Strength and Intelligence. The tumblers are activated when Muzzle (or any other Headmaster unit) is plugged into his neck socket. Muzzle has Nightbeat's face plainly visible on his back because, as a smaller Headmaster toy, he lacks the flip down panel that covers the face, featured on larger Headmasters. As another consequence of being a smaller Headmaster, his chest cavity was apparently too small for 3 individual tumblers. As a result, all Headmaster heads inserted will display Nightbeat's pre-molded (and painted) Speed, Strength, and Intelligence readings (7, 5, 8) on one large sliding plate.

:He shares a mold with the Japanese ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#1988 (Super-God Masterforce)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' [[Headmaster Junior]], [[Minerva (human)|Minerva]], who also got a mail-order exclusive version in Nightbeat's colors.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Autobot/Nightbeat/nightbeat.htm More information on Nightbeat at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPATD311042&id=O6IoAAAAEBAJ&pg=RA1-PA4#PPA2,M1 Nightbeat's patent on Google.]''
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===''Timelines''===
[[File:Nightbeattimelinestoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your...]]
*'''Nightbeat''' (Deluxe, [[2008]])
**''Accessories:'' missile launcher, missile, radar
:This [[redeco]]/[[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Energon|Hot Shot]] is one of two 2008 [[Fun Publications]] Fan Club exclusives. The new head is based on the character model's head (by which we mean [[Siren (G1)|Siren]]'s with some nods to the toy-Nightbeat's, see Notes below), but is missing its "ears" thanks to clearance and production timing issues. Nightbeat comes with a clear-plastic spring-loaded missile launcher. He can also form the top or bottom half of a combined robot with any other "[[Powerlinx]]"-style 2-bot combiner toy. Though the toy is compatible with the [[energon star]]s from its parent toyline, its [[spark crystal]] lacks the internal chroming characteristic of earlier uses of the mold.

:Nightbeat was originally announced to be available by [[BotCon 2008]] in April, but after multiple delays, preorders finally went up months later on [[August 27]], 2008, with a release date of "within four weeks" of September 30, 2008.

:The retooled version of this mold was used to create ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]] at [[BotCon 2008]]'s customization class.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/TFCCNightbeat/nightbeat.htm More information on ''Timelines'' Nightbeat at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnhbeRLlVnI Promotional YouTube video for Timelines Nightbeat, featuring lots of spinny-spinny]''
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Generationstoy-Nightbeat.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Why is he not a retool of Jazz? That's a mystery for ''[[you]]'' to find out.]]
*'''Nightbeat''' (Deluxe, [[2014]])
**''Series / Number'': '''02 / #020'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 blasters
:Part of the tenth wave of 2012-onwards ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Deluxe Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' Nightbeat is a retool of ''Thrilling 30'' Deluxe Class [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#T30Deluxe|Bumblebee]] with a new head. He comes with two blasters which peg via [[5 mm post]] into his hands, forearms, and rear vehicle sides, and can also combine into a large weapon. The new head is designed to feature [[light-piping]], but is painted over on both the front and back in red, thus rendering the [[gimmick]] useless. Some units have shins that are glued into place so that they no longer move laterally during transformation.

[[File:GenerationsNightbeatJazzvsBumblebees.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|right|One of these is not like the others.]]
:He comes packaged with a copy of "[[Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9]]", in which Nightbeat appears in the background of a single panel.

:Evidence indicates that a different sculpt was originally intended to be redecoed into Nightbeat for this release: In January 2014, Japanese online retailers Red Mercury and eToysJapan (among others) listed preorders for the wave containing Nightbeat, [[Windblade (G1)#Generations|Windblade]], and [[Jhiaxus (G2)#Generations|Jhiaxus]], making this the first official confirmation of Nightbeat and Jhiaxus. The images used for Nightbeat depicted a retool of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)#RTS|2010 ''Reveal the Shield'']] [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Special Ops Jazz]] with a new head sculpt and spotlight accessories.<ref name="redmerc">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generations-classics-44/generations-2014-deluxe-wave-4-is-jhiaxus-nightbeat-and-windblade-179062/ TFW2005 news story] on the Red Mercury preorders for Nightbeat, Windblade and Jhiaxus.</ref> In addition, the [[package art]] for the Nightbeat toy itself, i.e. the cover of the [[pack-in material|included]] [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] comic, ''also'' depicts him in the 2010 Jazz body,<ref name="botcon2014">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/botcon-2014-hasbro-transformers-figure-display-photos-180437/ Nightbeat and other ''Generations'' toys on display] at BotCon 2014.</ref> suggesting that the decision to use the Bumblebee sculpt instead was made at a very late point in the development process.

:Nightbeat was redecoed into ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Goshooter#Generations|Goshooter]], and the mold was separately retooled into ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' [[Carzap (BT)#Toys|Carzap]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/GenNightbeat/nightbeat.htm More information on ''Generations'' Nightbeat at TFU.info]''
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===''Kre-O''===
{{note|The [[Punch (G1)#Kre-O|Punch]] [[Kreon]] [[Micro-Changer]] is inexplicably named "Nightbeat" for reasons we cannot discern. See Punch's page for details.}}

===''Titans Return''===
[[File:TitansReturntoy-Nightbeat.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66|Nightbeat in "The Mystery of the Disappearing Bodies!"]]
*'''Nightbeat''' (Titan Master, 2016)
**''Accessories:'' jet/drill-tank
{{toydesigner|[[John Warden]] (Hasbro)|[[Emiliano Santalucia]] (concept artist)}}

:Part of the first wave of individually-packed ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Titan Master]]s, Nightbeat transforms from robot to a head based on the original Nightbeat toy's. In this mode, Nightbeat can serve as the head of any ''Titans Return'' Deluxe, Voyager, or Leader Class figure. He also features ports in his feet that allow him to peg onto a wide variety of ''Titans Return'' figures. His blue plastic matches the colored plastic used by [[Blurr (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Blurr]].

:Nightbeat is packaged with a small vehicle that can transform into three modes: a jet for Nightbeat to ride, a drill-tank formed by combining with Nightbeat, and a 5 mm drill weapon for larger figures. His head has a tendency to get stuck, causing it to pop off at the neck when removing him. The shape of the tank's back end also makes inserting him as instructed somewhat awkward. A solution to both problems is to insert him into the slot with his head mode face pointing up, rotating the body, and then finally folding the legs in place.

:As with most Titan Master vehicle accessories, care must be taken with the gun mode's handle: the handle fits tightly in many 5 mm-compatible closed hands, and combined with the handle's lack of metal pin running through the joint, removing it by force causes the handle to pop out of the joint. Also, most of the units had a problem with the legs not folding down neatly in head mode due to the tolerance of the side panels on the legs.

:Nightbeat was originally designed by [[Emiliano Santalucia]] as a new character, and sported an original head-mode design. Between the promotional render and the final product, the plastic color of Nightbeat's shins was changed from yellow to blue. His face is also a more orange-y yellow than the brighter yellow plastic, while his eyes are dark orange instead of blue.

:His vehicle was redecoed as [[Moguru#Toys|Moguru]] and packaged with ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' [[Chromedome (G1)#Legends|Chromedome]]. His head mode served as the model for [[Soundwave (BW)#e-HOBBY comics|Soundwave]]'s head in several [[e-HOBBY]] comics. Nightbeat, along with Skytread, was also re-released as part of the fourth wave of Titan Masters alongside Shuffler and Repugnus. Nightbeat's main body was later retooled into [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Legends|Ghost Starscream]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2016/Autobot/TRNightbeat/nightbeat.htm More information on ''Titans Return'' Nightbeat at TFU.info]''
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===''Legends''===
[[File:TF-Legends-LG28-Nightbeat.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I'm an evil blonde.]]
*'''Rewind & Nightbeat''' (2016-[[September 24|09-24]])
**''ID number:'' '''LG28'''
:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Nightbeat (see [[#Legends World|above]] for how ''that'' works) is a redeco of the ''Titans Return'' figure; her head mode better resembles the head of the original 1988 Nightbeat toy, while the robot mode takes cues from both Nightbeat's head and Muzzle's body.
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==Notes==
[[File:Nightbeatsirenswappedheads.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Top row: toy Nightbeat, toy Siren. Bottom row: comic Siren, comic Nightbeat.]]
*In Nightbeat's [[:File:Transformsfromracecartorobot.jpg|toy packaging photography]], Muzzle's legs are blue instead of the final black, and the flame stickers on Nightbeat's doors are different. This early flame design made it into [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Nightbeat Nightbeat's ''Universe'' profile art] and, as a result, into some Marvel Comics stories.
*For their [[character model]]s, the face/Nebulan and helmet/seat pieces of Nightbeat and [[Siren (G1)|Siren]] were inexplicably switched. (It is difficult to tell for sure, but they may have kept the correct antennae/guns judging by the basic shapes involved.) This switch gave comic book Nightbeat the "shades" he's remembered for, as well as the crest on his forehead, while comic book Siren ended up with his trademark combined brow/nosepiece. Likewise, the model sheet for Nightbeat's car mode has Siren's antennae guns on the hood. Nightbeat and Siren's guns are even swapped on the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxHU63O9ApQ&ab_channel=walruslaw commercial]. How or why this switch happened, and in what stage of development it occurred, is unknown.
*He was depicted with his own toy's head (for the first time) in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Age of Wrath]]''. Nightbeat's appearances in [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s ''Transformers'' comics retain the Siren face design, but inside the Nightbeat helmet. In [[Fun Publications]]' "[[Cheap Shots]]", his appearance is based on his new toy, whose head is based on Siren's face and helmet.
[[File:Nightbeatchests.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Where'd he get that extra boob?]]
*Another Nightbeat visual oddity is the large difference between the design of his toy's chest and of the character model's chest. While the toy's chest is an asymmetrical shape with one "boob" and a "tummy grill" not unlike Optimus Prime's, the character model gives him a concave octagon which symmetrically houses two hollow boxes. Where did this design come from, and why is it the only thing on his character model, other than the swapped head, that departs from his toy design?
*Due to his asymmetrical chest details, Nightbeat's original [[package art]] is noticeably flipped horizontally, putting his "boob" on the right instead of the left. Dreamwave's ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[:File:Nightbeatg1.jpg|profile art]] of him, seems to have been based on the boxart's flip, as well as IDW's material for a long time. In ''[[The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation]]'' [[Devastation issue 6|#6]], IDW's Nightbeat chest is symmetrical, mirroring the half of his chest with the "boob," giving him an approximation of the made-up Marvel Comics/character model chest — but in "[[Spotlight: Hardhead]]", it's back to the asymmetrical design again.
*Nightbeat has worn the trenchcoat and fedora on occasion. [[:File:MarvelUK-230.jpg|Sometimes]] the artist remembers he has very tall shoulders under there, [[:File:MarvelUS-62.jpg|sometimes not]].
*In the (hilariously bad) [[Omni Productions|dub]] of ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'', [[Minerva (human)|Minerva]] is called "Nightbeat."
*At [[BotCon 1997]], [[Simon Furman]] was asked why he killed Nightbeat in ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2]]''. He said:
{{bigquote|I don't have a good answer for you... It was too easy to say, I'll kill off all the incidental characters, all the ones I don't like. It sort of added to the bigger picture by ... some of the favorites got it in the neck as well... It's like, say [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] or something died, it's like.. Who cares? I do like Beast Wars as well... it was too easy to just knock off 'B' characters...}}
:Suffice to say, Furman wasn't very familiar with ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' at the time.<ref>[http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/nightbeat/index.html Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About NIGHTBEAT at builtstlouis.net]</ref>
*A "dinner mystery theatre" starring Nightbeat was planned for [[OTFCC 2004]], with Optimus Prime as the murder victim. Instead, the Transformer theme was shelved and attendees were subjected to [[DEATH BY CHOCOLATE]].
*Quite bizarrely, the Chinese and Korean release of the original toy had a sticker depicting [[Shūta Gō]] on the box; conversely, Minerva was on the box for Siren. Don't believe us? [http://web.archive.org/web/20140317164832/https://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/NightbeatKoreaStickerMISB1.html Here's your proof].
*Nightbeat's [[holomatter]] avatar in [[The One Where They Go to Earth|MTMTE #43]] is based on {{w|Idris Elba}} as the eponymous Detective Chief Inspector John Luther in ''{{w|Luther (TV series)|Luther}}.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Nightbeat''' (ナイトビート ''Naitobīto'')
*''French:'' '''Veilleur''' (Canada, "Watcher")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Éjvadász''' ("Night Hunter")

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/nightbeat/index.html Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About NIGHTBEAT]

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[[File:TF-Commemorative-Series-Megatron.jpg|upright=2|thumb|This was deemed insufficiently safe for release in the mid-2000s. Think about that.]]

Toys should not hurt people. If a child is injured (or, heaven forbid, killed) by use or abuse of a toy, that child's parents are very likely to sue the toy manufacturer. Plus there is the cavalcade of bad press and word-of-mouth that will accompany the suit, ruining a toymaker's reputation. On top of, of course, ''injured kid. That's bad.''

As such, [[Hasbro]] puts its toys through rigorous testing and design work '''for safety reasons'''. Sometimes, a [[Toy|Transformers toy]] has to be [[design change|altered from the original design]] in order to maintain safety standards; some of these standards are self-imposed, while others are mandated at the state or national level. These also often change with the times, and vary from country to country, or even within different regions of a single country. Since Hasbro and [[TakaraTomy]] want to sell their toys in as many markets as possible, all of these standards must be taken into account when creating a new ''Transformers'' toy.

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==Safety issues and ''Transformers''==
===Toxic materials===
One of the earliest safety standards involves the banning of toxic materials in toys, such as lead-based paints. Though this predates ''Transformers'' by a considerable amount of time and was pretty much not an issue in most major markets by the 1980s, it actually ''was'' an issue with the short-lived [[The Transformers (toyline)#Mexican & South American Transformers|Mexican ''The Transformers'' line]], when those toys somehow ended up being dumped into various European markets years later, where it was discovered that yes, they used lead paint. Yikes!

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===Breakage issues===
[[File:DVD 20thPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Stubbimus Prime]]
Obviously, toys ostensibly for children should not break easily. More importantly, they should not break in a way as to create sharp or jagged pieces that can cause lacerations. This makes what materials the toys are made out of vitally important. Long, thin parts potentially prone to breakage may end up being made with a softer, more pliable plastic than the base toy, such as the wings and sword of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Vector Prime#Cybertron|Vector Prime]], or the permanently-attached-to-the-roof long gunbarrels of ''[[Studio Series]]'' [[Topspin (DOTM)#Studio Series|Topspin]] (which are notoriously rubbery). One trade-off to this technique is that most of these materials are "[[Unpaintable plastic|unpaintable]]", thus they can only be one single, solid color.

Or, those elements might be made of the normal, paintable, harder plastic, but also be shortened enough so that there is not enough leverage to "reliably" break the piece. This has been the case with ''many'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime toys]] over the years, as many of these toys featured shortened smokestacks in the U.S. (it's a common mistake to assume this started in 1988 with the [[Powermaster]] version;<ref>For one thing the pegs on Powermaster Prime's shoulder-cannons were brittle as hell!</ref> however, it was actually the Japanese [[Ginrai (human)|Super Ginrai]] version that had the shorter stacks, not the Hasbro Optimus Prime version). Not every long/thin piece needs to be made of softer plastic, mind; most toys' weapons are not permanently attached to the toys, and are far more likely to pop out of the attachment socket than break should the toy be dropped. Speaking of dropped...

Hasbro's safety testing also extends to toy packaging, ensuring that were a packaged toy to be dropped, said packaging would take the full force of the fall, leaving the toy inside intact. Thus, Hasbro performs the "drop test" on their toys both loose and packaged. As its name implies, this involves dropping a toy from various heights in order to ascertain whether or not said toy will break, where it might, if any of the parts which may have broken loose could potentially injure a child, and if the packaging is insufficient to prevent damage. Failure to pass this test is often cited as the reason the original [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys#The Transformers|Fortress Maximus]] mold has not been reissued in the United States.

Interestingly, these safety standards ultimately provided a boon to ''Transformers'' toy design, though it would be a good decade-plus before it was realized. During the time Hasbro started to make its own molds to represent characters as toys instead of importing from other toy lines, the safety standards of a toy had to withstand a pulling force of twenty pounds to deem them safe. Because most toys in those days had little to no outward movement in their legs or arms, they could rather quickly break with little force, so most figures were made with fused legs, preventing kids from pulling them apart. Because of this, most of the toys dropped articulation to make the figures stronger, turning a large amount of them into "[[Brick (term)|brick]]s". During the time [[Takio Ejima]] started working on the brand, he noted that they could make the toys safer by the use of [[ball joint]]s, making it easier for the toy to pass the test by simply allowing the limbs to pop free rather than break (and be easily re-attached), and still have full range of motion. This idea saw its first steps in late ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', and come ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'', would change the standard of articulation both inside and outside the ''Transformers'' brand.

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===Blunt force trauma===
[[File:TFU03-toy Movor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Movor got less pointy over the years.]]
The use of softer materials for key parts also plays into another safety concern, namely "what happens if kid A jabs toy B into person C or self A." Obviously not much can be done about a toy being used as a cudgel, but ''normal play accidents'' should not result in injury. Thus, "flying" toys in particular are subject to much greater design scrutiny than your average car-former. Even as early as 1985, [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#The Transformers|Jetfire]] and [[Swoop (G1)#Toys|Swoop]] were altered to have blunted nosecones, and the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] jets had rubber nosecones instead of hard plastic. The ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' [[Starscream (Armada)/toys#Armada|Starscream]] toy was designed with a slight "droop" to its nosecone/cockpit component, so that were a child "flying" it around end up ramming it nose-cone-first into a wall (or sibling), that ever-so-slight droop would more easily cause the force of the impact to push the nosecone down on its transformation hinge, thus better dispersing the force of the blow. As with many safety standards, these are always in a state of flux: [[Movor]]'s toy from 2001 is a redeco of [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]], with no detectable physical changes, but in 2003 another redeco of the same sculpt had to be retooled to round off the nosecone. For the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'']]/''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Superion (G1)#Universe (2008)|Superion]] [[Superion (ROTF)|giftset]], Hasbro retooled the nosecone of the ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Treadshot (Energon)#Toys|Treadshot]]/[[Windrazor (Energon)#Toys|Windrazor]] sculpt to be less pointy—a sculpt that had originally been released a mere five years earlier.

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===Choking hazards===
[[File:G1Thunder clash toy.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|I'm a choking hazard!]]
[[File:MW-toy OptimusPrime.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|I'm not!]]
There are also "choke" laws designed to prevent small parts, '''''especially''''' projectiles, from being lodged in a child's windpipe. Easily the biggest impetus for this came in 1979, when there were [http://theswca.com/textf/toydeath.html multiple instances of children choking on accidentally-fired missiles from a ''Battlestar Galactica'' toy], including one death. This quickly scuppered [[Kenner]]'s plans for a missile-firing ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' [[Boba Fett]] figure, and resulted in a change to how projectiles were developed in toys from then on out. In the original ''Transformers'' toys, this mostly meant just replacing the launchers' springs with incredibly weak springs (providing just enough tension to keep the projectiles locked in place, but not enough to propel them more than a fraction of an inch once released), as the missiles were right in that "small enough to swallow, big enough to potentially get caught on the way down" range. When all-new-mold toys began development, the issue was circumvented almost entirely by simply not giving them projectile launchers in the first dang place.

Come ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)| Generation 2]]'', spring-loaded projectile launchers returned in a big way, quite literally. The missiles for these toys now measured nearly three inches in length, far too long to slip into an esophagus. (A single original-series toy, [[Metroplex (G1)#Toys|Metroplex]], also featured extra-long missiles, but still had his launchers neutered.) Some vintage molds used in the line, like [[Inferno (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Inferno]] and the [[Constructicon (G1)#Generation 2|Constructicons]], had their launchers and missiles extensively altered to remove the launching mechanisms altogether, the "projectiles" now simply pegged into place and held by friction. Disc launchers also came into play; these projectiles were made both wide enough to make swallowing them difficult, and had holes cut through them so air could pass through unobstructed just in case they somehow did get lodged in. These standards are still in effect today, and probably will be indefinitely (even though launching projectiles have been increasingly infrequent in ''Transformers'' toylines in the latter half on the 2010's).

Of course, this is mostly how the U.S. toys needed to be made. The European and Japanese markets had, and still have, considerably laxer standards for projectiles. Thus, the Takara releases of the original ''Transformers'' toys retained their full spring-launching capability, as have every reissue of those molds up to today. The European [[Turbomaster]]s and [[Predator (subgroup)|Predators]] from 1992 (also released in Japan) had spring-fired missiles a mere one inch long. Notably, the larger Turbomasters and Predators were released in the U.S. for the ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' toyline, which took two different approaches to the un-safe missiles: the Autobot toys had their launchers heavily altered to use new, much larger missiles (likely because said launchers were integral to the toys), where the Decepticons simply had their (non-integrated) launchers removed altogether, with [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Starscream]] keeping the missiles to use the the toy's non-spring-loaded "carpet bombing" gimmick.

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===Firearm replicas===
[[File:Megatronclassicstoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|right|Acceptable in 2006... and not a day later.]]
Aaaaaand then there are toy gun laws which are designed to prevent scenarios where police (or others) mistake a "realistic" toy gun, like say, [[Megatron (G1)/toys|the original Megatron]], for an actual firearm and shoot or arrest the person carrying it. U.S. law requires that toy guns have either an orange plug in the barrel, or a barrel made out of unpainted orange plastic.

Some states have even more stringent laws (particularly [[California]], which is such a huge market that it effectively makes those ''nationwide'' standards), which require that toy guns must be brightly colored and must not resemble real-world firearms (such toy guns are almost exclusively water guns, Nerf-style "blasters", or resemble real firearms but have [[neon]] colors and cartoonish proportions). Some retailers won't even carry realistic toy guns ''anyway'', so that's a double-whammy in some places. Which is why ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Sixshot (G1)#Titans_Return|Sixshot]] doesn't have a "gun" mode, but he ''does'' have a "submarine" mode that ''totally isn't'' the exact same configuration just turned upside-down how could you even think that.

Note that the major federal toy gun law was enacted in 1988, and applies to all toy guns manufactured after May 1989. As such, it is entirely legal for dealers to sell original 1984 Megatron figures, as they are grandfathered in; but any later American release of the toy WOULD have to meet these standards, hence the "Safety/Lava Bath Megatron" toy pictured at the top of this article, which STILL failed to meet these guidelines, as the entire external surface was not (and likely could not be) made from a single color of plastic. As a result, an American reissue of the original Megatron toy has never happened, yet it's been reissued like crazy in Japan, which has very different toy safety laws and doesn't have any restrictions on toy guns.

The range of what is "acceptable" for a gun-toy has also gotten ever-increasingly narrow over the years. ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Megatron]], released in 2006, turns into a weapon heavily inspired by a [[Nerf]] N-Strike Maverick blaster with a bright orange cap on the end of both the scope and the barrel. With Hasbro's ever-more-conservative legal department, even this deco was not deemed sufficient for long. This figure would not see release again in the U.S. for ''ten years'', and when it finally did come out again it was [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Platinum Edition|almost entirely stop-sign red]]. Considering [[wikia:nerf:N-Strike Elite#Blasters|what color schemes]] [[wikia:nerf:Elite XD#Elite XD products|''actual'' Nerf blasters]] released at retail in the interim time have sported, how much of this is ''really'' due to genuine safety concerns and how much is just down to Hasbro's concern for the public perception of the ''Transformers'' brand is anyone's guess. Though given, well, ''the news'', this is probably for the best.

Also note that there's no size limitation anywhere in the legal regulations. As a consequence, even the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']] [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] [[Megatron (G1)/toys#2010Legend|Megatron]] had to sport an orange barrel, despite his tiny size.

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===Fire!===
[[File:G2-toy Sparkstalker.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Underwear, beware!]]
The [[sparking gimmick]] found in the [[Firecon]]s/[[Sparkabot]]s and [[Monsterbot (G1)|Monsterbot]]s would spit "cold" sparks out, simulating fire-breathing or fire-exhaust. In 1991, a "Rollerblade Barbie" doll with a similar action feature reportedly set a child's underwear on fire. [http://diswww.mit.edu/tla/humor/442 No, seriously.] The Barbie doll was quickly recalled due to the potential for lighting flammable things on fire, even though the incident in question also involved hair spray (highly flammable!), but, well, yeah, dolls, hair spray... yeah. Thanks to this instance, sparking toys more or less just stopped happening in the US. Curiously, the European ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' series included recolors of the spark-throwing Firecons and Sparkabots conspicuously absent in the U.S. version of the line.

While sparking eventually returned to America in the form of the ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Age of Extinction]]'' "Dino Sparkers", those toys kept the sparks contained ''within'' the clear-plastic toys rather than spewed out, preventing possible pyrotechnics.

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==Safety standards in other countries==
The USA isn't the only country with rigid toy safety standards that affect Transformers. In fact, some countries have safety standards that are even ''more'' rigid than anything the USA has. Examples:

[[File:GiGmissiles.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|right|Awww ''come on'', Italy.]]
*In Italy's ''[[Trasformer]]'' {{sic}} line by [[GiG]], many toys' missile launchers didn't have their springs removed, but the missiles ''did'' have comically-huge giant rubber balls attached to the tips. Some of the subsequent, officially-licensed-by-Hasbro ''Transformers'' re-releases of those toys still featured the same kind of missiles. Makes those elongated [[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] missiles seem not so bad after all, huh?
*Whereas European toy gun laws are more relaxed, hence making the import of [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Generation 1 Megatron]] reissues and ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' Megatron less of a legal hassle, Australia actually has ''harsher'' regulations than the US, officially classifying MP Megatron as a "firearm replica". Some Australian states even consider the ''possession'' of the toy ''illegal'', even if it was painted in bright orange or sported a permanently glued on orange plug. In the state of Queensland the only way to circumvent this problem requires joining some kind of registered ''firearms'' Collectors' Club.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20170218100232/http://www.csapo.com.au/ttf/TCTF_Club.htm Details about the legal situation concerning the import and possession of Masterpiece Megatron in Australia] (archived copy)</ref>
*Members of the European Union don't consider American safety regulations sufficient, but require their own safety tests, with the toys having to adhere to the European standard EN 71. As a consequence, toys that are perfectly fine to be released in the USA might occasionally not be considered suitable for the European market. And since Hasbro has long since abandoned producing international "variants" of toys beyond mere packaging differences, that would mean those toys simply won't come out in Europe at all. (However, while specific examples are unconfirmed, it's highly doubtful that this affects a large number of toys.)
*Conversely, Japan has comparatively ''lax'' toy safety regulations. The Japanese toy safety standard is called "ST", which can be applied to toys aimed at children under the age of 14; however, that doesn't mean that a toy ''can't'' be sold if it ''doesn't'' sport the "ST" seal. The only difference is that parents will receive a compensation if their child gets injured by playing with an "ST"-approved toy, therefore parents are more likely to buy toys that are "ST"-approved than toys that are not.
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==Notes==
[[File:CommemorativeSeriesIIIStock.jpg|upright=2.0|thumb|Yeah, if only..]]
* At one point Hasbro apparently considered selling the ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]]'' reissues as "adult collectables" to avoid having to adhere to US toy safety standards. [[Stock photography|Stock photos]] for the Series III figures [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Commemorative Series|Thundercracker]], [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Commemorative Series|Silverstreak]] and [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Commemorative Series|Autobot Jazz]] depict [[prototype#Packaging prototypes|sample packaging]] labeled as "adult collectable", as does a Toys"R"Us print ad published in [[The War Within issue 6|issue 6]] of [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s first ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' mini-series,<ref name="truad">[http://www.battlegrip.com/2003-toysrus-transformers-toy-reissue-advertisement/ 2003 ToysRUs Transformers Toy Reissue Advertisement] at Battlegrip.com.</ref> while the final packaging has those labels covered with stickers containing choking hazard safety warnings, in addition to stickers containing "Ages 5+" recommendations. Ultimately, the toys would end up with either functional launchers with extended missiles (looking ridiculous), or original-length missiles with non-functional launchers. (Also noteworthy: many missiles and weapons that were [[Vacuum metallizing|chromed]] in their original releases ended up made from matte, slightly-softer plastic in this series, potentially due to safety/breakage concerns.)
* You know how the original Megatron turns into a realistic-looking handgun? And how there are various laws prohibiting the sale of realistic-looking toy handguns? [http://www.unicron.com/news_item/1877/ Yeah.] C'mon, you knew it was bound to happen sooner or later.

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==External links==
*[http://theswca.com/textf/toydeath.html Page featuring articles on the genesis of the choke-gate test, due to a missile-firing ''Battlestar Galactica'' toy.]
*[http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2011-title15-vol3/xml/CFR-2011-title15-vol3-part1150.xml CFR Title 15, Part 1150, the official federal law on "realistic" toy guns and the markings thereof.]
*[http://www.btha.co.uk/toy-safety/btha-guidance-documents/toy-safety-directive/ Overview on toy safety standards in the UK]
*[http://www.cpsc.gov/PageFiles/102973/toypremguid04.pdf Pages five and six of this article give a brief summary of the federal safety guidelines regarding breakability testing.] (PDF format.)
*[https://www.theonion.com/fun-toy-banned-because-of-three-stupid-dead-kids-1819565691 ''The Onion''{{'}}s slightly snarkier take on the subject, for those who like their snarky snark snarkiness.]
*[http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/leader-of-the-decepticons-yes-replica-firearm-no/article4222576/ Canadian ruling that Masterpiece Megatron does not constitute a "replica firearm" for importing purposes.]

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==Footnotes==
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[[Category:Toys]]

Humanization

2022-11-26T22:23:29Z

Gigirassy: adding a link

Throughout the various Transformers [[canon]], there have been several instances of [[Transformer]]s with humanistic traits and having very [[human]] actions that possibly conflict with their status as mechanical robots. Many of these instances can be dismissed as stylistic choices by the artists or as gags not to be taken seriously.

{{quote|You order a pizza?}}
{{quote|Why would I order a pizza? We don't eat human food!|[[Sludge (FOC)|Sludge]] and [[Snarl (FOC)|Snarl]]|"[[Dino-mite Duo]]"}}

==Glandular, digestive, and respiratory==
===Sweating===
[[File:LandsharkWOH-energondelivery.jpg|thumb]]

*In [[Prime Time!|issue twelve]] of the original [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US comic]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is seen [[:File:PrimeTime Rumble sweat.JPG|leaking lubricant]] from his head during a stressful confrontation with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (as Shockwave points out), in a manner resembling sweating.
*Numerous times in the Marvel UK comic, [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] can be seen "sweating".
*[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 cartoon)|''Robots in Disguise'' (2001)]] and ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' featured Transformers displaying the traditional anime "sweat drop", a giant bead of liquid appearing at the side of the head to convey embarrassment or exasperation.
*[[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] sweatdrops upon seeing a particularly scary expression on [[Lori Jiménez|Lori]]'s face. {{storylink|Ambush (episode)|Ambush}}
*[[Leozack]] sweatdrops oil when [[Landshark (G1)|Landshark]] attacks him. {{storylink|Wings of Honor}}

===Coughing===
*In the G1 episode "[[Roll for It]]", when the Autobots emerge from the ruins of a demolished [[antimatter]] laboratory, they are coughing.
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] coughs when [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] surrounds him with smoke.{{storylink|Triple Takeover}}
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] coughs while infected with Cosmic Rust. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}
*In "[[Call of the Primitives]]", a fiery blast from [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] causes both the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] and [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] to cough.
*In ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] begins to cough for no reason while making a triumphant speech. Much like Powerglide's "heart", this could be a one-shot joke. He also coughs while sleeping, and when amidst the smoky remains of an electrical fire.
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] fake-coughed in the episode "[[Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege]]" of the [[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|''Beast Machines'' cartoon]] to draw [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]]'s attention to the matter of [[Noble (BM)|Noble]].
*In [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 cartoon)|the 2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]] episode "[[Secret Weapon: D-5]]", [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]], [[Slapper (RID)|Slapper]], and [[Dark Scream]] all cough after inhaling smoke.
*In the ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' episode "[[Mortal Combat]]", right after Optimus Prime says "I wish I could accommodate you," he coughs silently.
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] visibly coughs after [[Sam Witwicky]] uses the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to restore him to life in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', even expelling what appears to be dust.
*In "[[Rock Bottom]]", [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] coughs after escaping the collapsed mine. Ironically, Bulkhead later claims ''in the same episode'' that Autobots don't need to breathe.
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Galvatron]] coughs once he activates himself in ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]''

===Breathing===
On ''[[memoryalpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'', it was explained that the android [[memoryalpha:Data|Data]]'s breathing served to cool his inner components, but mostly so that he doesn't appear unnatural to the humans he was designed to resemble. He also blinks for this reason. It could be argued that breathing serves the same "cooling" purpose in Transformers, as it is possible for their internal systems to overheat with use, but this explanation is always going to smack of desperation.

*In an ''Energon'' episode, [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] instructs [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] that they have to synchronize their breathing before they can [[Powerlinx]].
*At the climax of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] tries to strangle [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]], complete with sounds of Hot Rod gagging and struggling to breathe. It's possible that Galvatron was trying to compress Hot Rod's neck until the Autobot's head popped off, but that isn't likely.
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], calling for help as a python constricts him, says he can't breathe. {{storylink|Dark Voyage}}
*[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] gags a bit when [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] lifts him into the air by his throat. When told by Rhinox, "I'm in a bad mood. Understand?" Dinobot responds with a weak, breathless "Uh huh." {{storylink|Aftermath}}
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] is shown to be breathing heavily after trying to chase down Blurr, even though he quips in a previous episode that not needing to breathe is useful for an Autobot. {{storylink|Velocity (episode)|Velocity}}
**Blurr did the same thing when he had completed running all the way back to Cybertron. {{storylink|TransWarped}}
*On the [[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]], [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream's]] breath can be seen due to condensation in the cold ship. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
*[[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] breathes heavily as he runs in fear from [[Chaos (alien)|Chaos]] and the slave mines on [[Dread (planet)|Dread]]. {{storylink|Chaos (episode)|Chaos}}
*[[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] is visibly breathing while in stasis. {{storylink|Deus ex Machina}}
*"[[A Team Effort]]" confirms that Transformers require ventilation airways in their neck to prevent system overheating, as when [[Charger]] strangles [[Roadgrabber]] in a fit of rage.
*When [[Vigil]] filled the atmosphere with a sleeping agent, [[Blades (RB)|Blades]] melodramatically held his breath until [[Chase (RB)|Chase]] assured him that the air was safe for Autobots to breathe. {{storylink|No Place Like Dome}} Air does not seem to be a requirement, however, as Rescue Bots operate perfectly well in space. {{storylink|Space Bots}} {{storylink|Unfinished Business}}

===Spitting===
*Throughout his term on the Marvel UK comic letters page, [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] would regularly say "(Puttup)" after mentioning the Autobots or an Autobot's name to represent him spitting in disgust. This habit made an in-story appearance, with him spitting at [[Donny Finkleberg|Robot-Master]] despite his [[mouthplate]]. {{storylink|Second Generation!}}
*After [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] escapes from the Decepticons's New Jersey base via a sewer, he spits as he complains about their poor choice of back door.{{storylink|...All This and Civil War 2}}
*In the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode "[[Tangled Web]]", [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] "spits" after reissuing his challenge to tangle with [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]], despite the fact that, like Soundwave, he has no apparent mouth.
*In ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]] repeatedly spits while talking to [[Sam Witwicky]] and his companions. [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] also has to spit his mouth clean after being blasted across a forest by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] spits thrice: once at Sam while in the [[Broadwater Metal Works]] foundry, again when he mentions Prime's name and lastly when facing down Sam in Chicago. [[Leadfoot (DOTM)|Leadfoot]] also spits, albeit for no real reason, when addressing Sam and the humans outside of [[Chicago]] in ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]].''
*[[Galvatron II]] is seen spitting and drooling while explaining the situation. {{storylink|Out of Time!}} Both Megatron and Galvatron II are seen both spitting on each other. Gross! {{storylink|Exodus!}}
*An ancient [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] rejects [[Steel Jaw|Steeljaw's]] offer to convert his body to run on [[biofuel]] by spitting in his face and remarked "Poetry ain't the only thing you can pick up from Earth." {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 3|Last Bot Standing #3}}

===Crying===
[[File:Omega Supreme tears up.jpg|thumb|Tissue: desired.]]

*A twinkle of light that may not literally be a tear, but is clearly intended to imply one, can be seen in [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]'s eye at the end of "[[The Secret of Omega Supreme (episode)|The Secret of Omega Supreme]]".
*When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] dies in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] is seen to dab at her eyes.
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] told his colleagues he was about to "leak optical lubricant" when they wouldn't stop about giving up on [[Operation: Volcano]]. {{storylink|Target: 2006}}
*In "[[The Burden Hardest to Bear]]", [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] has tears falling from his eyes, presumably in pain, during his monstrous disfigurement after he gains the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]].
*There is a teardrop on young [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'s face after being beaten by Deathsaurus. {{storylink|Star of Friendship, Jan and Star Saber!}}
[[File:BurdenHardestToBearScourgeCries.jpg|thumb|My allergies are bad this year.]]
*At the end of "[[The Grand Victory War]]", some Decepticons are crying over their defeat.
*As he mourns his dead friend [[Snowstalker]] and decides he can never fight again, [[Tigatron]] cries a single tear in beast mode.
*[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] wiped a fake tear when [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] put on the heroic act. {{storylink|Code of Hero}}
*When pondering [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]]'s fate in ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] is shown to shed a single tear from one of her spider eyes. This may be due to her technoganic nature though. {{storylink|Revelations Part I: Discovery}}
[[File:Bw2 ep6 twinwaterfalls.jpg|thumb|Surf's up—and I'm talkin' ''up''!]]
*Throughout ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' and [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 cartoon)|the 2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]], and occasionally in the ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' cartoon, several characters are seen crying in hyperbolic anime fashion.
*Tears can be seen welling up in [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]]'s eyes and falling to the ground in ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' as he mourns a fallen comrade.
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] told [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] to "cry him a river". {{storylink|Night of the Combaticons}}
*Ratchet ''actually'' cries tears of defeat when outwitted by Megatron. {{storylink|Warrior School!}}
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] cries over [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s death in [[The Art of War issue 5|''The Art of War'' #5]].
*In ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]'', [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] cries, though this "ability" could be part of her partially organic nature. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] cries after [[Sam Witwicky]] tells him cars are not allowed on campus, although he was exaggerating his sorrow and was likely deliberately leaking fluids to enhance the visual. ''{{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}''
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] was crying in the corner for not being in the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|War for Cybertron]] game. [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] had to talk to him. Again. {{Storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.12#Law and Disorder|Law and Disorder}}
*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] sometimes manifests streams of light from his optics resembling tears. {{storylink|Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon}}
*[[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] cries after the death of [[Chela]]. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|Windblade vol. 2 #6}}
{{note|In the 2005 IDW continuity, [[Authorial intent]] is that this is an overheating of the optical gauze covering their eyes.[https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/396070452738535424]}}
*[[Sideswipe (RID)|Sideswipe]] was crying while watching a cowboys movie with [[Russell Clay|Russell]] and a childlike [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]. {{storylink|Adventures in Bumblebee-Sitting!}}
*Windblade cried after [[Maxima]]'s death. {{storylink|The Fall}}

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===Eating===
[[File:GoGo12-breakfast.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4|My knowledge of eggs is tremendously wide. I've eaten them boiled, I've eaten them fried.]]

*There are references to [[Cybertronian food]].
*[[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]] has been known to eat Autobots as well as humans and other organics, despite not needing to do so to survive. Other Decepticons are disgusted by this practice.
*There are Pepsi and [[Destron Pizza|pizza]] in the refrigerator in [[Pepsi Convoy]]'s home.
*In ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', the Maximals and Predacons are shown to eat:
**[[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] even displays something of a voracious appetite, eating rats and leaving webs to catch prey. At one point, he captures Cheetor and prepares to drain the Maximal's fluids, claiming that it is the act he prefers over the nourishment (which adds just another level of creepy to the already creepy Tarantulas). {{storylink|The Web}}
**[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] eats apples. {{storylink|The Web}}
**And garbage. {{storylink|The Web}}
**[[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] eats a bird. {{storylink|Power Surge (episode)|Power Surge}}
**[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] eats [[Clone One|his clone]]. [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] remarks that he is "disgusting". {{storylink|Double Dinobot}}
**While suffering from an [[Energon discharge virus]], [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] eats wild beans to build up his power. This later ends disastrously for [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]]. {{storylink|The Low Road}}
*In ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] wants to eat the underground tree's fruit; [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] protests that "we don't eat food, we process [[energon]]—PERIOD!", but is overruled. {{storylink|Forbidden Fruit}}
*According to [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] eats [[Autobot]] [[Protoform]]s for breakfast. But of course that could just be a rumour. {{Storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}
*[[Brains]] is seen chewing on a screw, while [[Igor]] and the [[hatchling]]s are clearly shown to be ingesting minerals. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
*[[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] complains that he shouldn't have eaten a lot of "Tijuana street machinery" when he returns to the [[Junkyard (TLK)|junkyard]]. [[Grimlock (AOE)|Grimlock]] has also developed a bad habit of eating cars. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
*In ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'', Decepticons are seen eating food with human allies. Dauros chokes on a chicken bone. {{storylink|The Autobot Warrior, Sixknight?!}}
*Multiple characters in ''[[Transformers Go! Go!]]'' eat human food for comedic effect. {{storylink|Go! Go! issue 12}} {{storylink|Muscle Revolution! Ya!}}
*In ''[[Transformers: BotBots (cartoon)|BotBots]]'' [[Bonz-Eye]] is shown eating popcorn. {{storylink|I, Cheeseburger (episode)}}

===Flatulence===
*In the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode "[[The Low Road]]", Rhinox lets out an extreme amount of flatulence after consuming wild bean vines. This could be due to Maximals having organic parts in their makeup.
*In the ''Beast Wars'' episode "[[Bad Spark]]", [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] also lets out flatulence, blaming it on a large buildup of energy from his [[Transmetal]] body.
*Just go watch ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''. Happens every five minutes. You can set a clock by it.
*One of the [[Mini-Constructicon]]s "cuts one", causing the others to laugh and request someone to open a window in "[[Spotlight: Ramjet]]".
*[[Fottle Barts]] farts. And farts. And farts and farts and farts...

===Eructation===
*In an Earth Wars event, [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]] gets a bit gassy after having eaten his fill of Sharkticons.{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars/Events|Death's Trap}}
*[[Twerple Burple]].
*[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] belches after devouring his own clone, much to the disgust of [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]]. {{storylink|Double Dinobot}}
*In the ''Transformers Animated'' episode "[[Rise of the Constructicons]]", [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]], [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] AND [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] belch a few times after downing some oil.
*[[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]] and [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] drunkenly belch and hiccup quite a few times after getting well and wasted.{{storylink|Out to Lunch!}}

===Urination===
[[File:Movie2007 Bumblebee lubricates Simmons.JPG|upright=1.95|thumb|Sorry, this was the best image we could find.]]
*[[Tasmania Kid]] urinates (in beast mode) to put out a fire.
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] performs a similar action on [[Seymour Simmons|Agent Simmons]] by popping off his automobile oil filter in [[robot mode]]. Optimus Prime claims that 'Bee is just leaking [[lubricant]]s on him. Presumably, this action was inspired from witnessing a [[Mojo|similar incident]].
*[[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] apparently urinates himself in [[Do Over]].
*In Beast Wars II, [[DJ (BW)|DJ]] is known for wetting himself whenever he drinks too much oil.
*[[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]] claims that he "sprung a leak" after freaking out about [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]'s goal to take on [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}
*After [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] shoots at [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] to test an energy shield, the latter claims that the trauma caused him to "leak some transmission fluid." {{storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 2}}
*A brain-damaged [[Grimlock (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Grimlock]] "drains his tank" on the floor, much to the dismay and disgust of his fellow [[Scavenger (group)|Scavengers]]. {{storylink|Some Of My Best Friends Are Autobots}}
* [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] admits that while in [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]' shoulder turrets, he "may've leaked a little" when [[Leozack]] went to attack them earlier. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 5: Rage, Rage}}

===Defecation===
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] defecates on [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] in ''[[Robo-Capers]]'' from Marvel UK issue [[Robo-Capers issue 87|#87]].

===Use of bathrooms in general===
*[[Grimlock (RID 2015)|Grimlock]] is at one point seen running into an outhouse. It isn't clear which of the previously covered wastes he needs to excrete. {{storylink|Fixit Jam}}
*[[Kreon]] [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)|Optimus Prime]] had to go to the bathroom so bad, he drove right through the Decepticon's forces to get to the Autobot base. {{storylink|Emergency! Hurry to the Base, Optimus!}}
*The Cyberverse version of [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's]] has signs in Cybertronian showing the location of the bathroom. {{storylink|Maccadam's}}

===Blushing===
[[File:SeaChange Seaspray Blush.JPEG|thumb]]
*In the G1 episode "[[Sea Change]]", [[Seaspray (G1)|Seaspray]] has his whole face turn bright red, even before he jumps into the [[Well of Transformation]] and gets turned into a humanoid.
*''Transformers Animated'' Bumblebee has also been shown to be able to blush in a few episodes. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}} {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}
*''Transformers Cybertron'' Override blushes when speaking to Lori, which is an indication of the character's original male gender in ''Galaxy Force''. {{storylink|Honor}}

===Intoxication===
*In the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] episode "[[Microbots]]", the [[Decepticon]]s behaving in a noticeably intoxicated fashion after consuming high-grade [[energon]]. [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] refers to this as "over-energizing".
*In the UK comic, the [[Wreckers]] frequent a "bar" on Cybertron called [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], where they consume high-grade energon, presumably for the purposes of getting intoxicated. [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]] pay a visit to this establishment in a later story, and get so hammered that they don't even notice [[Quickswitch]] fighting with some [[Mecannibal]]s.
*In ''Beast Wars II'', [[Galvatron (BW)|Galvatron]] gets "drunk" on numerous occasions.
*In the ''Beast Wars II'' manga, [[Lio Convoy]] gets drunk once and messes up [[Apache]]'s room.{{storylink|Recover the Bonds Lost!}}
*The [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]] in ''Animated'', whose personalities are shout-outs to construction worker stereotypes, seem to drink oil the way humans drink beer. However, they never actually get drunk.
**However, the Autobots did feel dizzy after a mini Soundwave spiked the oil nog. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}
*[[Alchemist Prime]] is known for his love of alcoholic beverages. Some say that he came up with the legend of Cybertron's [[Chosen One]] after downing twelve drams of rancid [[Engex]].

===Miscellaneous===
[[File:IDW Kup's non-cigar.jpg|250px|thumb|You can't get the really good ones anymore thanks to Castrol.]]
*[[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]] once gets a cold, causing him to cough and have a fever, in an issue of the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (manga)|''Victory'' manga]]. {{storylink|Star of Friendship, Jan and Star Saber!}}
*[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] got a bump on his head after being hit by Deathsaurus with a staff when they were young boys. {{storylink|Star of Friendship, Jan and Star Saber!}}
* ''Transformers Armada'' [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] is seen in bandages after being attacked by [[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]]. {{storylink|Past II}}
*In ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'', [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] chomps on a [[cy-gar|cy-]][[Cigar|gar]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron}}
*As does [[Hound (Movie) |Hound]] in ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'' and [[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)| its sequel]] {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)| Age of Extinction}}
*''Transformers Animated'' [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] has bandages wrapped around his middle after Sari is knocked out and the Autobots return to their base. {{storylink|TransWarped}}
*''Transformers Animated'' [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] wore a cast over his arm after being hit by a falling building. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}
*In ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'', [[Blades (RB)|Blades]] sneezes when he gets coated in flour. {{storylink|Pizza Pi Party}}

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==Body parts==
===Mouths/teeth/tongues===
{{Main|Teeth|Tongue|Mouthplate}}
*The [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon series]] is the only major piece of fiction to ''not'' present Transformers as possessing [[teeth]] and/or [[tongue]]s. The features appear in both the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] and [[Dreamwave Productions]] comics, [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (manga)|''The Battlestars'' manga]], the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' animated series (where teeth would even be knocked out on occasion), the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 cartoon)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]], and the [[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|Unicron Trilogy]] cartoons and comics.
*In an episode of [[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]], [[Browning]] sticks his tongue out at [[Wilder (G1)|Wilder]] and [[Bullhorn (G1)|Bullhorn]] after they insult [[Cancer (G1)|Cancer]].
*In the [[live-action film series]], the more human-like the robot, the more they are likely to have teeth. In the case of, say, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], his teeth are mechanical cubes overlaid on each other, while [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] has bona fide fangs. Optimus spits out a piece of his shattered faceplate in the second film, which is intended to resemble a boxer spitting out a tooth after a brutal match. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
*One of the most prevalent examples of this tradition is the [[Transformers: Kiss Players (manga)|''Kiss Players'' manga]], in which a [[Legion]] character is equipped with a distinctive prehensile (and phallic) tongue.
*In ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'', a majority of the Transformers possess teeth and throats, but completely lack tongues.

===Eyeballs/eyelashes===
[[File:AutoBerserk OptimusPrime closedeyes.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Oh, my eyes!!]]

*Most Transformers have eyes. They see with them.
*In the episode "[[Auto Berserk]]", Optimus Prime's eyes are closed (apparently to shield them against the smoke) much like a human's when the Autobots stagger out of the fire and smoke of the Negavator's destruction.
*While dying from life force depletion, [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] occasionally closes her eyes. {{storylink|The Search for Alpha Trion}}
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]]'s ''Brontosaurus''-mode eyes briefly pop out in a cartoonish manner when he is punched by [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] clench their eyes shut when their ship is grabbed by a claw. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}}
*Cyclonus also closes his eyes when Galvatron is about to go through the [[Alya]] treatment and he cannot bear to watch. {{storylink|Webworld}}
*[[Lyzack (G1)|Lyzack]] sports some pretty heavy-duty eyelashes for her brief appearance in the ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (manga)|Victory]]'' manga. So does [[Esmeral (G1)|Esmeral]]. {{storylink|The Grand Victory War}}
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] clenches his eyes shut when [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] shines blinding headlights in his face. {{storylink|Autobots Fight Back}}
*In [[Spotlight: Hot Rod]], Hot Rod is shown to have what appears to be blast shields for his optics when he passes out after landing. Dealer's optics are mostly covered by his eyelids, so he looks half-passed out.
{{Note|Per an email query to IDW, their response is that Transformers do not have eyelids; it's just artistic license.}}
*The robots in the [[live-action film series]] have eyes designed to resemble cameras, enabling them to dilate and blink.
*''Animated'' [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] has eyelids. He also blinks frequently.
*The cyborg [[GoBots]], as portrayed in the animated cartoon, do in fact possess eyelids (when the eyes aren't covered by a visor) and frequently blink. Some also have visible pupils.
*Most robots in ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' possess camera-like eyes similar to those seen in the live-action films, which dilate, contract, and blink in a highly human-like fashion. Notably, they also replicate the involuntary saccades of the human eye when idle.
*Likewise the robots in ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (cartoon)|Rescue Bots Academy]]'' blink. [[Wedge (RBA)|Wedge]] once ruined a photo [[Hot Shot (Prime)|Hot Shot]] was taking of the recruits by blinking. {{storylink|Screen Time}}

<center><gallery>
File:Esmeral-manga.jpg|She puts it on with a paint roller.
File:LyzackEyelashes01.jpg|About 15 gallons of mascara for those things.
File:HotRodOpticShields.jpg|Hey, wake up!
File:Dealerseyelids.jpg|Got munchies?
</gallery></center>

===Obesity===
[[File:AOE-HoundStuck.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|"911, what's the nature of your emergency?" "I'm looking at twenty tons of fat robot ass stuck in my window!"]]
Although Transformers come in all shapes and sizes anyway, some characters have particularly round appearances that suggest something equivalent to human obesity.

*In [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|Grim Grams #94]], [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] mentioned that [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] weighs a little over 90 tons and "could stand to lose a little around the fuel storage system".
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] complained that the Decepticons had grown "fat and complacent" under [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s rule. {{storylink|Surrender!}}
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] is virtually as wide as he is tall and is depicted as extremely round, with very short, stubby legs. It gives him more than a passing resemblance to a heavily obese person, or at best one of those huge, flabby, off-season wrestlers.
*Much the same could be said of [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. Being big-chassised is no excuse to let yourself go.
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|''Animated'' Ratchet]] has a prominent gut that resembles a human paunch. Although ordinarily this might be considered merely a feature of his [[Transformation|transformation scheme]] (ala [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]), he is specifically designed to be a crotchety "old man" character, and in flashback sequences to his younger days in the Great War, he notably ''lacks'' said paunch.
*[[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]]. Well, all the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]], really, but seriously. It's kind of comically appropriate that the robots which do absolutely nothing but hang out and eat stuff all day are so roly-poly.
*[[Leadfoot (DOTM)|Leadfoot]] has a set of metal plates that form the front of his Alt mode forming a sort of "beer gut" on his abdomen. His buddy [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]], a fat ballerina, is also pretty darn bulbous, and though it got him stuck in a building once, his weight doesn't really slow him down too much.
** [[Daytrader]] is very portly, but he insists that he is less likely to die in battle than his "corpulent comrade" Hound is of dying from carbon monoxide poisoning and his oil drinking problem. Later, when asked if he's actually overweight by [[Izabella]], Hound insists it's just all his gear and "this is like if somebody packed ten pounds of shit in a five pound sack". [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]] disagrees and jokes he's just a chunky Autobot. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

===Masculine characteristics===
====Facial hair====
{{Main|Facial hair}}
*[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], [[Unicron]], and [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] all sport "facial hair" in the G1 cartoon. In addition to that, ''Energon''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]], the films' Optimus (who has a goatee), [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] and [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]] and ''Animated''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]], [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]], and [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|the other Wreck-Gar]] all have varying amounts of facial hair. (The last of these was modeled after [["Weird Al" Yankovic|his voice actor's]] own, prior to his appearance's overhaul.) The ''Shattered Glass'' versions of [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] and [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus Prime]] also have "facial hair", probably as a homage to Evil [[Spock]]'s appearance in ''[[Star Trek]]''.
*Many characters in the live-action series have facial hair, like [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]], [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel]], and [[The Fallen]].
*In ''[[Transformers: BotBots (cartoon)|BotBots]]'' [[Sergeant Scrubforce]] has a bristle brush style mustache. [[Disgusto Desserto]] has a full beard made from canolli filling.

====Nuts, bolts, and screws====
[[File:LightfootDramaticEncounter Gilmer's injury.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Hit a Decepticon in its voonerables, he said, and you've killed it.]]
*[[Gilmer]] got rammed in his crotch by [[Lightfoot (G1)|Lightfoot]], causing it to become red and Gilmer to clutch it, groaning he got "kicked in the balls". {{storylink|Lightfoot: A Dramatic Encounter}}
*[[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] kicks [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] in the groin, causing apparent pain and giving him a high-pitched voice. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}}
*[[Stampy (BW)|Stampy]] once suggested a kick to the "unmentionables" as a workable battle tactic. {{storylink|The Ascending issue 3|The Ascending #3}}
*[[Heinrad (BW)|Heinrad]] has a set in [[Beast mode|tanuki mode]]. Since tanuki are known for their massive testicles, his equipment's existence actually makes sense.
*[[Flareup (G1)|Flareup]] interpreted the word "[[AllSpark Key|key]]" in "{{w|Ghostbusters|keymaster}}" a little differently than [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] intended. {{storylink|Bee in the City}}
*[[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] has a pair of dangling wrecking balls in a... very unfortunate place. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
*[[Dickbot the blender guy|Blenderbot]] has a... well... [[:File:Appliancebots2.jpg|just look for yourself (NSFW?)]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
*In ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'' one of [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]]'s takedown animations has him kicking a Decepticon Sharpshooter in the crotch.
*The same animation is used for [[Ironhide (WFC)|Ironhide]] in his fight with [[Sharpshot]] in ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (console)|Rise of the Dark Spark]]'' if the player chooses to preform a stealth takedown.

===Feminine characteristics===
[[File:CrossingtheRubicron-newbody.jpg|upright=1.3|thumb|And her beast mode isn't even mammalian!]]
{{main|Female Transformer}}

====Breasts====
Protruding chest areas are a common sight on Transformers, with characters like [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] wearing their vehicle mode hoods as huge "monoboobs." Female Transformers, however, will more often than not be designed with protruding chest pieces not as a consequence of [[Alternate mode|alt mode]], but deliberately to resemble a human female silhouette. Some even have two separate and even more distinctly rounded breast-like protuberances, particularly in their fictional depictions. [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], [[Antagony (BW)|Antagony]] and [[Beta (G1)|Beta]] all fall into this category. One, [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]], even has [[:File:ThunderblastBoobsAndNipples01.jpg|visible nipples]]. ''(You're going to look, aren't you...?)'' Meanwhile, ''Legends'' Arcee had ''partially visible cleavage'' as her armor is consumed by [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]].

====Lips====
[[File:G1 Silverbolt cartoon.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Though not female, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s got <s>sexy</s> nice lips.]]
Another common feature to denote gender in female Transformers is distinctly fuller, plumper lips than is standard, such as Blackarachnia's in ''Beast Wars''. Sometimes, however, they will additionally have red or otherwise different/darker coloration to their lips, with an evident similarity to human lipstick. Such paint-mouthed female Cybertronians include Blackarachnia in ''Beast Machines'', her [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|''Animated'' counterpart]], and the [[Female Autobots|G1 Female Autobots]].

As far as males go, none of them have differently colored lips, but some do have noticeably thicker lips. Generation 1 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Orion Pax]], [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]], [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]] and [[Shouki]], for instance, have lips that can easily compete with the females', as does [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|''Animated'' Optimus Prime]]. [[Megatron (G1)#War for Cybertron Trilogy cartoon|Megatron]] in the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' cartoon takes things to a whole other level.

====Hips====
[[File:SpacePirates Arcee Bunsofsteel.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Dan Reed, you perv.]]

Much like humans, many female Transformers have a more highly curved hip structure.

:''See also the '''[[Humanization#Sexuality|Sexuality]]''' section below.

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===Questionable body parts===
[[File:Powerglide heart.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Not {{w|Astroboy}}, we swear!]]

*Nearly all Transformers seem to possess noses for no discernible functional reason, ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' characters and movieverse [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] being exceptions. Movie [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] also notes that he can smell [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] when the latter is trying to escape from him, and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] remarks that he can "smell" [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]]. This would seem to imply that movieverse Transformers have a form of olfactory systems. The idea of noses is somewhat 'fixed' in ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Transformers Prime]]'' by having the noses be a visible part of the robot's helmet as opposed to being part of their face.
*At the end of the G1 episode "[[The Girl Who Loved Powerglide]]", [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] is seen to have the LED outline of a cartoon heart within his chassis. This is somewhat nonsensical even within in the context of the show (the contents of Transformers chest cavities had been shown several times before), and is doubtless merely meant as a one-off sight gag.
*Although listed separately above, breasts and "nuts, bolts and screws" would also fit under this category quite well, seeing as there doesn't appear to be any use for them on Transformers, other than to show them off.
*''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' and its eyebrows... my God, the eyebrows...
*''Transformers: Prime'' also has Megatron (and sometimes other Decepticons) referring to consumed Dark Energon "flowing through my veins!" Whether they were being poetic, or if it was part of ''Prime's'' attempt to redefine the technobiological nature of the Transformers, is unknown.
*''Animated'' [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] and [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] have buttcracks.
* The [[Con Crew]]'s promotional packaging shows [[:File:Botbots captain cartridge flexing.jpg|a social media post]] of [[Captain Cartridge]] flexing his...exterior.

;Brains
[[File:PredaBrain1.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Predaking: All brawn AND brains!]]

*[[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] has an organic brain when he is sliced in half in the [[Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!|''Zone'' cartoon]].
*[[Unicron]] also has an organic brain in the G.I. Joe crossover, [[Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2|Black Horizon Part 2]]. Later handwaved by explaining that the particular Unicron in the crossover came from the universal stream [[Gargent 984.08 Alpha]] and had taken on an organic brain in a similar fashion as the native [[GoBots]].
*[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|''Dark of the Moon'']]'s Sentinel Prime seemed to have something in his head resembling a brain after Optimus executed him.
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==Other biological functions==
===Sleep===
*In the Marvel G1 comic, [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] plays a prank on [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] while he is in "rest mode." {{storylink|The Transformers Universe (Marvel)|Trailbreaker's ''Universe'' profile}} [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] falls asleep and dreams (or rather, has a nightmare), an experience Prime refers to as an "involuntary systems shutdown". {{storylink|Back from the Dead}} Kup later attempts to rouse a vision-struck Optimus Prime by urging him to "wake up"—then reminds himself that "we don't sleep!" {{storylink|The Power and the Glory}} When [[Donny Finkleberg]] remarks that unlike machines, humans need to rest, [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] informs him Transformers need to as well to conserve fuel. Skids also has an on/off button in his dashboard. {{storylink|Heavy Traffic!}}
*In the [[Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)|''The Headmasters'' cartoon]], [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] is able to use a form of hypnotism on the Autobots, which can include lulling them to sleep. In the [[Omni Productions]] dub, [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] notes the strangeness of a robot feeling sleepy.
*This ability is also shown by [[Hellbat (G1)|Hellbat]] in the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (cartoon)|''Victory'' cartoon]].
*In ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', it has been firmly established that (perhaps partially due to their organic components), all Transformers within the cartoon sleep. Some prime examples of this are:
**Megatron has been shown to sleep in the command chair of the ''Darksyde'', while his dino head mounted on the end of his arm stays awake, looks around, and smiles slyly. Wonder what it thinks about...
**Cheetor has been shown asleep at many points, complete with (occasionally prophetic) dreams. In "[[Feral Scream Part 2]]", he also purrs when he's asleep. How cute!
**In "[[Call of the Wild]]", the Maximals are kept awake for two days by the Predacons' non-stop attacks on their base, which exacerbate their beast instincts overriding their logic circuits.
*In ''Beast Wars II'', [[Galvatron (BW)|Galvatron]] often nods off in a narcoleptic-like fashion.
*In the ''Beast Wars II'' manga, Lio Convoy sleeps and has a nightmare at one point.
*''Armada'' [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] is quite fond of catching forty winks when possible. [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] does the same on one occasion. Armada Megatron is also seen asleep twice in the episode "Rebellion".
*''Animated'' [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] enters a form of sleep he calls a "stasis nap", during which he gets several parking tickets. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}
*Also in ''Animated'', when the Autobots feel tired after drinking an oil-nog (which Soundwave had spiked), they decide to go to sleep, pardon, to take a stasis nap. [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]] even yawns. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}
*[[Nightstrike]]'s screams put his victims in a sleep-like state, while also stimulating the "fear centers" of their [[processor]] and forcing them to have nightmares based on their worst fears. {{storylink|Even Robots Have Nightmares}}
*[[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] falls asleep and has a bad dream about the [[Dark Dawn]]. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}}
*The [[Lost Bots]] apparently sleep during the day in their alternate modes. Given BotBots in general are norturnal, it makes sense the others in the [[mall (BotBots)|mall]] may as well. {{storylink|(Never) Be Yourself}}

===Aging===
: ''Main article: [[Transformer#Transformer life cycle|Life cycle]]''
Some Transformers have been depicted as aging.

*[[File:Alpha Trion through the epochs.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb]][[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] has been depicted in three different eras: 11 million years in the past, 9 million years in the past, and the present day. Though his [[character model]] undergoes many changes, his facial hair changes seem to mimic human aging. In his (chronologically) earliest depiction, he has a small black mustache. In his second depiction, his mustache has turned white. By the modern era, he sports a long mustache and beard.
*The [[Overlord (rank)|Overlord]] was so old that his body needed a regular energy supply to keep him functioning. {{storylink|State Games}}
*[[Xaaron]] couldn't transform anymore because he was old.[[File:MangaYoungDeathyStarSaber.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Young and Innocent]]
*In an issue of the Marvel UK G1 comics, Kup's systems are going to shut down because he is too old.
*[[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]] and [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] are depicted in flashbacks as "child" Transformers, complete with childlike temperaments. {{storylink|Star of Friendship, Jan and Star Saber!}}
*[[Colada]] is depicted as "child" in his flashback in the issue "[[A Battle Fought Alone]]".
*[[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]] has a cane and is rusting. Some parts even fall off him when he transforms! However, he states that the reason for his decrepit condition is not just that he is very, very old, but mainly due to the fact that his Energon supplies are very low.
*[[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] claimed to have been a classic car when he was younger, and a tricycle when he was even younger in [[Sideburn's Obsession]]. While he was lying, his story was plausible enough for [[Slapper (RID)|Slapper]]. On the other hand, Slapper is an idiot.
*[[Slipstream (RID)|Slipstream]] says he grew up on [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]] in the short "[[The Tragedy of Slipstream]]" and is even depicted as a child in flashback.
*[[Stardrive]] mentions growing up faster than her friends on Elonia. {{storylink|Rom vs. Transformers: Shining Armor}}
*Eons on [[Donnokt]] without sufficient energon caused Rodimus to visibly age. {{storylink|Transformers: Last Bot Standing}}

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===Sexuality===
[[File:Sideburnhearts.jpg|thumb|Sorry, Side Burn, I don't think Wedge rolls that way.]]
{{Main|Transformer romance|Reproduction}}

One of the most controversial aspects of Transformers is the idea of sexuality. While it is established in most continuities that Transformers do not reproduce sexually, most continuities nonetheless have distinctive male and [[Female Transformer|female characters]] and sometimes drops a hint Transformers may engage in (recreational) sex.

The [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original ''The Transformers'' cartoon]] brought the first official female Transformers into the canon, including [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. The characters are noticeably more feminine in design and some have clearly defined romantic relationships with male Transformers. In contrast, such relations between two individuals of the same gender are [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|virtually]] [[Airazor (BW)#Gender|unheard]] of, outside of the 2005 IDW continuity, where it's [[Conjunx Endura|commonly accepted]].

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==Accents==
{{Main|Accent}}

==Notes==
[[File:TFLegends-ElitaOne-Before&After.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|LMAO.]]
*[[Mobage]] wound up on the wrong end of the "feminine characteristics" conversation over [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]]'s character art in the [[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|''Transformers Legends'']] game. The initial art featured what can only be described as a "boobs and butt" pose, complete with shiny pink "underboob" and a very defined gluteal region. Following outcry from users, the game art was modified to a less obviously sultry version.

==See also==
*[[:Category:Transformer anatomy|Transformer anatomy]]
*[[Anatomic euphemism]]
*[[Relatives]]
*[[Transformer clothing|Clothing]]

==External links==
*[http://transfans.co.uk/comics_guide_detail.php?id=106&page=5 Transformers #94 Letters Page on Transfans.co.uk]

[[Category:Transformer anatomy]]

Thundercracker (ES)

2022-11-25T16:43:54Z

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:''Thundercracker is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|EarthSpark]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:thunder es.JPG|thumb|upright=1.67|]]

'''Thundercracker''' is a Decepticon that fought in the war when it was taking place in [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

==Fiction==
===''EarthSpark'' cartoon===
Thundercracker fought up against [[Jazz (ES)|Jazz]] before the Autobots and the Decepticons went to [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Secret Legacy, Part 1}}

[[Category:Cartoon-only Transformers]]
[[Category:EarthSpark Decepticons]]

File:AM Shockwave boxart.jpg

2022-11-19T20:13:14Z

Gigirassy: Someone did a confusion

[[Action Master]] [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s [[package art]], courtesy of [http://www.botchthecrab.com/ Botch's Transformers Box Art Archive].

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{{C}} Hasbro, [[1990]].

[[Category:Action Master images]]

Trukk not munky

2022-11-19T18:59:51Z

Gigirassy: adding archive link

:''Optimus prime has gone from a mack truck to a damn gorilla. Every transformer fan I know almost wants to cry when they go into a store and see what Transformers have become.''
:[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/322e8b0f8a567b71?dmode=source — rob "the choda" smith, November 1996]

[[File:JPLegendswebcomic-TrukkVsMunky.jpg|frame|right]]
'''"Trukk not Munky"''' (or '''"Truk not Munky"''') is a phrase used by Transformers fans derisively towards those that complain about changes to the mythos.

How did this phrase come into use? The answer is surprisingly hard to find; history is quickly lost online. Some records do exist, however, such as the [[alt.toys.transformers]] archives.

During ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'', very serious posts bemoaning that "Optimus should be a [[Optimus Prime (G1)|truck]], not a stupid [[Optimus Primal (BW)|monkey]]" were not uncommon, as indicated by the Usenet quote above. They took various forms, and were quickly parodied. Rob Powers was particularly fond of these parodies, which he usually formed as variations on the phrase "Why is Optimus a stupid monkey instead of a cool truck", with assorted intentional misspellings and cacography for humorous effect. By June of 2000,<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/b4fbda74bb0f9456 The original post]</ref> his parody seems to have become fairly standardized in form, but it was not "TRUKK NOT MUNKY" yet.

This condensed form first appeared in early 2001 (the single-K form seems a few months older, but the doubled K soon eclipsed it). The new phrase was a further condensing of the earlier forms, apparently conceived by Recharge in an IRC-related search for a band name.<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/934abde071b00b3d The original post]</ref> Immediately thereafter a song titled "TRUKK NOT MUNKY" was recorded by Brian Kilby and appeared on [http://www.tfradio.net Radio Free Cybertron].<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20150427000754/http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/399038/22710397/1368785761947/tnm2full.mp3?token=A3tDxVjv6g8HkKyrTZWCZH1Oo3Q%3D The song in mp3 format] (archived copy) </ref> Being brief, easily understood by most fans, and amusing, "TRUKK NOT MUNKY" quickly became the go-to sarcastic reply.

Since the Beast Era has ended, the term's usage has been generalized to indicate knee-jerk reactionary complaints of a "it's not what we had before (even if we did) so it's bad" nature.

Of course, the whole point is rendered moot when you realize that Optimus Primal's [[alternate mode]] is actually an ape, specifically a gorilla, not a monkey.<ref>''Generation 1'' Optimus Prime never turned into a ''Mack'' truck, either.</ref> (This has been understood by the humorous users of the term all along, and adds approximately 34.5% of the snide.)

==See also==
*[[GEEWUN]]
*[[Pokeformers]]
*[[Ruined FOREVER]]

==Footnotes==
<references />

[[Category:Fan terminology]]

Pew Pew Pew

2022-11-01T21:48:58Z

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:''Pew Pew Pew is a member of the [[Gamer Geeks]] from [[Transformers: BotBots (franchise)|BotBots]].

'''Pew Pew Pew''' probably doesn't drain energy sources.

==Toys==
===''BotBots''===
[[File:BotBots_SeriesSix_PewPewPew.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Gamer Geeks''' (5-pack, 2022)
**''Series'': '''6'''
**''Rarity'': '''Common'''
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (concept artist)}}

: Part of the Sixth Series of BotBots, Pew Pew Pew transforms from a 1-inch tall robot into a blaster gun and back.

*'''Outta Controller''' (Ruckus Racer vehicle pack, 2022)
**''Series'': '''6'''
**''Level'': '''Common'''

: Pew Pew Pew was also available with the [[Outta Controller#Toys|Outta Controller]] vehicle, packed along with [[Player the Handbook]], [[Snuzzlebeard]], and [[Steer'd Wrong]].

==Notes==
* Pew Pew Pew's transformation scheme and lower body is modeled off of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]].
** In another, less obvious Transformers reference, Pew Pew Pew's face is modeled off of [[Kremzeek]].

[[Category: Gamer Geeks]]

Pew Pew Pew

2022-11-01T21:27:20Z

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:''Pew Pew Pew is a member of the [[Gamer Geeks]] from [[Transformers: BotBots (franchise)|BotBots]].

'''Pew Pew Pew''' probably doesn't drain energy sources.

==Toys==
===''BotBots''===
[[File:BotBots_SeriesSix_PewPewPew.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Gamer Geeks''' (5-pack, 2022)
**''Series'': '''6'''
**''Rarity'': '''Common'''

: Part of the first Series of BotBots, Pew Pew Pew transforms from a 1-inch tall robot into a blaster gun and back.

*'''Outta Controller''' (Ruckus Racer vehicle pack, 2022)
**''Series'': '''6'''
**''Level'': '''Common'''

: Pew Pew Pew was also available with the [[Outta Controller#Toys|Outta Controller]] vehicle, packed along with [[Player the Handbook]], [[Snuzzlebeard]], and [[Steer'd Wrong]].

==Notes==
* Pew Pew Pew's transformation scheme and lower body is modeled off of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]].
** In another, less obvious Transformers reference, Pew Pew Pew's face is modeled off of [[Kremzeek]].

[[Category: Gamer Geeks]]

Pew Pew Pew

2022-11-01T21:25:12Z

Gigirassy:

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:''Pew Pew Pew is a member of the [[Gamer Geeks]] from [[Transformers: BotBots (franchise)|BotBots]].

'''Pew Pew Pew''' probably doesn't drain energy sources.

==Toys==
===''BotBots''===
[[File:BotBots_SeriesSix_PewPewPew.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Gamer Geeks''' (5-pack, 2011)
**''Series'': '''6'''
**''Rarity'': '''Common'''

: Part of the first Series of BotBots, Pew Pew Pew transforms from a 1-inch tall robot into a blaster gun and back.

*'''Outta Controller''' (Ruckus Racer vehicle pack, 2022)
**''Series'': '''6'''
**''Level'': '''Common'''

: Pew Pew Pew was also available with the [[Outta Controller#Toys|Outta Controller]] vehicle, packed along with [[Player the Handbook]], [[Snuzzlebeard]], and [[Steer'd Wrong]].

==Notes==
* Pew Pew Pew's transformation scheme and lower body is modeled off of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]].
** In another, more obvious Transformers reference, Pew Pew Pew's face is modeled off of [[Kremzeek]].

[[Category: Gamer Geeks]]

Pew Pew Pew

2022-11-01T21:17:38Z

Gigirassy: a head-start

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:''Pew Pew Pew is a member of the [[Gamer Geeks]] from [[Transformers: BotBots (franchise)|BotBots]].

'''Pew Pew Pew''' probably doesn't drain energy sources.

==Toys==
===''BotBots''===
*'''Gamer Geeks''' (5-pack, 2011)
**''Series'': '''6'''
**''Rarity'': '''Common'''

: Part of the first Series of BotBots, Pew Pew Pew transforms from a 1-inch tall robot into a blaster gun and back.

*'''Outta Controller''' (Ruckus Racer vehicle pack, 2022)
**''Series'': '''6'''
**''Level'': '''Common'''

: Pew Pew Pew was also available with the [[Outta Controller#Toys|Outta Controller]] vehicle, packed along with [[Player the Handbook]], [[Snuzzlebeard]], and [[Steer'd Wrong]].

==Notes==
* Pew Pew Pew's transformation scheme with their blaster cannon being an arm is similar to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]].
** In another, more obvious Transformers reference, Pew Pew Pew's face is modeled off of [[Kremzeek]].

[[Category: Gamer Geeks]]

Transformers: Kindergarten Series

2022-10-14T18:07:53Z

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[[File:Transformers_kindergarten_series_promo.jpeg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
Transformers: Kindergarten Series is a [[Hasbro]] [[China]]-exclusive toyline showcasing classic Transformers characters as toddlers. The toyline's figures are non-transforming, and are meant to appeal to a younger, cuteness-loving demographic.

Currently, the figures are only available through a crowdfunding campaign or unofficial import stores. The crowdfunding campaign reached far past its goal of 30,000 Chinese yuan (or about $4,438 USD at time of August 2022).

==Known Figures==
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)]]
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)]]
*[[Megatron (G1)]]
*[[Megatron (BW)]]
*[[Bumblebee (G1)]]
*[[Elita One (G1)]]
*[[Windblade (G1)]]
*[[Hot Rod (G1)]]
*[[Nemesis Prime (G1)]]

==Notes==
* The promotional material for the toyline references several pieces of Transformers media.
** [[Megatron (BW)]] is shown donning a rubber ducky float, a reference to his very own [[Rubber Ducky]].
** [[Kremzeek]] is shown as a soda can accessory.

==External links==

* [https://zhongchou.modian.com/item/122027.html The crowdfunding campaign's website] (in Chinese)

[[Category:Toylines]]

Donnokt

2022-10-10T08:09:54Z

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[[File:LastBotStanding1-Donnokt.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5|Despite appearances, that light is ''not'' the Blue Fairy coming to turn Pinocchio into a real boy.]]

At the end of time and space, there exists the planet '''Donnokt''', an oasis in a [[Milky Way|galaxy]] ruined by [[Great War (G1)|war]]. Though the universe it inhabits is old, Donnokt is young, its people only just beginning to understand the wonders of steam-powered technology. A state of affairs that leaves the young globe particularly vulnerable if any hostile visitors should set their sights on it...

==Fiction==
===''Last Bot Standing''===

After the Great War used up all the resources that the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s needed, a trio of Autobots consisting of [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]], [[Strongarm (G1)|Strongarm]], and [[Gripper (G1)|Gripper]], who believed themselves to be the last three Cybertronians left in the universe, {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 3|Last Bot Standing #3}} were ambushed by a pair of Decepticon ships. The fighting took them down to the surface of prehistoric Donnokt. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 1|Last Bot Standing #1}} When only [[Talon (G1)|Talon]] and [[Fangry (G1)|Fangry]] remained, it was found that the planet held energon-sympathetic materials and would yield a large, if volatile, bounty of [[energon crystal]]s in millions of years. After the two Decepticons had been executed, {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 4|Last Bot Standing #4}} the Autobots decided to leave the energon alone and instead subsist off their own reserves. Eventually however, they discovered that Donnokt was home to an evolving race. Fearing that other surviving Cybertronians might come to Donnokt, the three Autobots hatched a plan. When the organics had developed into a tribal society, one capable of communicating with Cybertronians, Rodimus made contact with a trustworthy individual and gifted them three [[energon]] keys that could awaken their Cybertronian guardians should other visitors from the stars threaten their existence. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 3|Last Bot Standing #3}} Rodimus later recorded a video for the organics and their descendants, warning that the energon was intertwined with the planet's underground and that reckless overharvesting could destabilize Donnokt. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 4|Last Bot Standing #4}}

Over time, however, Strongarm grew increasingly restless, and began petitioning Rodimus to take their only starship and search for other Cybertronian survivors. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 2|Last Bot Standing #2}} Thousands of years later, Gripper had an accident while recklessly driving in the mountains, and without the resources or skills required to repair their comrade, Strongarm and Rodimus couldn't save him. After this event, Strongarm snapped and stole their ship, hoping to find other Cybertronians out among the cosmos. While trying to clip the ship's wings, Rodimus accidentally destroyed the ship and killed Strongarm with it. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 3|Last Bot Standing #3}}

Thinking himself the very last of his species, Rodimus located the Wallkis family, the descendants of the tribe he'd contacted thousands of years ago, and made them an offer: if they kept him safe, he would protect their world from any outsiders who would do them harm. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 2|Last Bot Standing #2}} The Wallkises accepted the deal, and Rodimus went into a fuel-conserving low-power mode after assuming his [[alternate mode]], becoming nothing more than a family heirloom to be passed down from parent to child until he and the energon keys eventually found their way into the possession of [[Shib Wallkis|Shib]], the eldest of Wallkis clan. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 3|Last Bot Standing #3}}

As Donnokt began to engineer steam powered technologies, it was visited by [[Steel Jaw|Steeljaw]]'s pack of Cybertronian survivors, a group who had taken to farming organic life into [[biofuel]] as a replacement for energon. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 2|Last Bot Standing #2}} The first to touch down was the forward scout [[Nitro (IDW)|Nitro]] who deliriously stumbled his way to the settlement of [[Fembrance]]. The presence of another Cybertronian roused Rodimus from his slumber. After killing Nitro, Rodimus left the town to investigate where Nitro had come from. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 1|Last Bot Standing #1}}

Though Rodimus found Nitro's space pod, the citizens of Fembrance arrived to take him prisoner, Rodimus agreeing to play along. Elsewhere in the desert, the rest of Steeljaw's pack made planetfall and began unloading their equipment. After a headcount, Steeljaw sent [[Override (BWU)|Override]] and [[Riotgear (G1)|Riotgear]] to find Nitro. Though they tracked him to Fembrance, {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 2|Last Bot Standing #2}} their depowered sensors failed to detect his remains. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 3|Last Bot Standing #3}} Finding instead the bound Rodimus, the two freed him and brought him to Steeljaw. Having stowed away in Rodimus' cloak, Shib was found by Steeljaw's pack and claimed as their first meal on Donnokt. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 2|Last Bot Standing #2}}

Once [[Wheelie (G1)|the Veteran]] had been reactivated, Steeljaw left a portion of his men behind to continue setting up their infrastructure while retrofitting Rodimus with a new intake system to accept biofuel as he led most of his force to harvest Fembrance. At the Veteran's urging, Shib was allowed to say a last goodbye to Rodimus, allowing the girl to insert one of the energon keys and restore the Autobot to fighting shape. Properly fuelled, Rodimus was able to destroy the refinery and best the members of the pack. In Fembrance, the rest of the group rounded up the town's organic matter before Steeljaw and [[Sharpclaw]] found a Cybertronian data pad that held Rodimus' secret, furiously confronting Rodimus about it when he and Shib arrived. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 3|Last Bot Standing #3}}

After one of the energon keys had been shattered, the last was spirited away by Shib. Leaving [[Unstoppimus]] to deal with Rodimus, Steeljaw and Sharpclaw followed the girl who led them to the mouth of the energon mine. When Rodimus caught up to the pair, he and Shib revealed that he'd destroyed their biofuel rendering plant, leaving them with no power supply to fuel their conversion back to energon. Deciding to die on his own terms, Steeljaw prepared to ignite the energon and destroy Donnokt, only for Sharpclaw to throw herself in front of the blast and save the planet. After Rodimus had killed Steeljaw, he turned the remains of the visitors' ship into a one-way escape pod. exiling himself and the survivors of Steeljaw's crew to orbit, the craft looking like a new star in Donnokt's sky. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 4|Last Bot Standing #4}}

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