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		<title>A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur&#039;s Court (episode)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;{{disambig2|the cartoon episode|the mobile game event|A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur&#039;s Court (Legends)}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{episode&lt;br /&gt;
|image=G1toon starscream king of the castle.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|caption=&amp;quot;It&#039;s only a model.&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Shhh.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|series=G1toon&lt;br /&gt;
|ep=40&lt;br /&gt;
|prev2=Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2&lt;br /&gt;
|next2=The Golden Lagoon (episode)&lt;br /&gt;
|series2=SRLFtoon&lt;br /&gt;
|ep2=30&lt;br /&gt;
|series3=&#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|Transformers: Generation 2]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|ep3=11&lt;br /&gt;
|prev3=The Master Builders (episode)&lt;br /&gt;
|next3=The Golden Lagoon (episode)&lt;br /&gt;
|title=&amp;quot;A Deceptacon Raider in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|season=2&lt;br /&gt;
|season ep=24&lt;br /&gt;
|airdate=[[October 24]], 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|written by=[[Douglas Booth]]&lt;br /&gt;
|production code=#700-39&lt;br /&gt;
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]&lt;br /&gt;
|animation studio=[[Unknown Generation 1 animation studios|Unknown]]&lt;br /&gt;
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]&lt;br /&gt;
|video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci98CseGP-g&lt;br /&gt;
|videosite=YouTube&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;The Transformers go to the sixth century but avoid Camelot, as it is a silly place.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Synopsis==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Ramjetinpast.gif|left|thumb|You yellow bastard! Come back here, and get what&#039;s coming to you! I&#039;ll bite yer legs off!]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] are battling it out with [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Ravage (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ravage]], and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]. When the [[Decepticon]]s retreat out of exhaustion, Rumble detects energy in a nearby cave, only for the Decepticons to get caught in a cave-in when they enter to investigate. While searching for the energy source, they accidentally activate ancient runes that transport them to [[United Kingdom|Britain]] in the year 543 A.D. There, they are greeted by Sir [[Wigend of Blackthorn]] and his knights, who believe the [[Transformer]]s are knights of an enemy realm.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Raiderrumblejoust.jpg|thumb|Listen... in order to maintain airspeed velocity, Ramjet needs to spin his turbines 43 times every second, right?]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The Decepticons agree to help Wigend&#039;s knights win their conflict with rival Sir [[Aetheling the Red]], but Starscream obviously wants to rule and have a land of his own. Nearby, Aetheling&#039;s daughter [[Nimue]] is spying on their conversation and runs to warn her father, but is detected by Ravage and pursued until the newly arrived [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike]], Warpath and Hoist rescue her.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Aetheling decides to organize a jousting tournament in hopes of settling his feud with Wigend peacefully. After Spike fails in the tournament, Wigend sends Ramjet and Rumble to compete on his behalf (Rumble riding Ramjet in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]), but they are defeated by Warpath and Sir Aetheling. An enraged Starscream is sick of chivalry, kidnaps Nimue and threatens her life unless Sir Aetheling agrees to give up his realm. The Autobots give chase but cannot keep up due to lack of energy and collapse out of exhaustion. The chase is also observed by an [[Solomon|owl]], who flies off to inform his master, the wizard [[Beorht]], of this new development.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Raiderstarscreamcooks.jpg|left|thumb|What manner of man are you, that can summon up fire without flint or tinder?]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Starscream holds Nimue prisoner in Wigend&#039;s castle, which he has commandeered, and forces its residents to construct and power a primitive electrical generator to keep the Decepticons energized. Having gathered sulfur, charcoal and rock salt to make gunpowder, Starscream then sends Rumble to get the last ingredient...{{w|potassium nitrate}} from lots of bird droppings. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Raiderrollinthehay.jpg|thumb|Yes! Yes! You must give us ALL a good spanking!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Spike attempts to rescue Nimue from Wigend&#039;s keep, only to find Sir Wigend has switched sides and the two of them are now a happy couple. Despite feeling rejected, Spike still agrees to help fight the war against the Decepticons. Meanwhile, the Autobots and Sir Aetheling&#039;s knights charge towards the castle to battle it out with the Decepticons. The Autobots help the knights cross the moat and scale the walls, but they can&#039;t put up much of a fight due to their dangerously low energy levels. Starscream&#039;s gunpowder projectiles make short work of the invading forces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Raiderdragonvsautobots.jpg|left|thumb|When suddenly... the ANIMATOR suffered a fatal heart attack!  And the cartoon peril was no more.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Beorht the wizard appears and summons lightning that repowers Warpath and Hoist back up to fighting strength, though not enough to use their weapons. They take back the battle with Starscream and are victorious, destroying Starscream&#039;s power dynamo. Beorht concludes the robots are [[time travel]]ers and that the cave they arrived in was the [[Dragon Mound]], a time travel structure of his own design. He leads the Autobots and captive Decepticons back to the cave, only to find it guarded by the eponymous [[dragon]]. Starscream refuses to go any closer, but Beorht pulls out a pouch of &amp;quot;[[Dragon&#039;s Bane]]&amp;quot;, his own name for gunpowder, noting that a little bit of it works every time. He throws the concoction at the dragon and it explodes, frightening away the beast. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Spike and the Transformers re-enter the Dragon Mound and return to the present. When they arrive back in their own time, they are greeted by multiple cannon blasts by [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]. Starscream tackles his leader in a burst of enthusiasm at being back safely. Megatron, on the other hand, isn&#039;t nearly as happy to see Starscream, who has just ruined his shot...&lt;br /&gt;
{{--}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Featured characters==&lt;br /&gt;
{{featuredcharacters&lt;br /&gt;
|c1=&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (5)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] (6)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
|c2=&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (1)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (2)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ravage (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ravage]] (3)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (4)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (16)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] (17)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (18)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]] (19)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (20)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
|c3=&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Nimue]] (7)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wigend of Blackthorn]] (8)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wulf]] (9)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] (11)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Deore]] (12)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Aetheling the Red]] (13)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Beorht]] (14)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
|c4=&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Solomon]] (10)&lt;br /&gt;
*A [[dragon]] (15)&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Quotes==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Beorht01.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Look! It&#039;s the old man from Scene 24!]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Raiderrumblepoo.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|&amp;quot;Who&#039;s that there?&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;I dunno. Must be a king.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Why?&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Oohh! I just changed heads last week!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—A ground-bound &#039;&#039;&#039;Ramjet&#039;&#039;&#039; learns that even a tough jet is no match for [[Warpath (G1)|a tank]].&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Out of the way, Rumble! It could be dangerous. As your leader, I must take the risk. Anyway, I&#039;m lower on energy than you!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—&#039;&#039;&#039;Starscream&#039;&#039;&#039; acting true to form.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Huh! Inferior construction, even for an Autobot. One good whack, it breaks right in two!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—&#039;&#039;&#039;Ramjet&#039;&#039;&#039; examining the &amp;quot;wreckage&amp;quot; of Sir Wulf and his horse.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;What&#039;s more important is that we have 1,451 years to go before we have to worry about the Autobots and that bungler Megatron!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—Even trapped in the past, &#039;&#039;&#039;Starscream&#039;&#039;&#039; looks on the bright side, unaware his math is failing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Whatcha waiting for, Red Knight? Don&#039;t you wanna rumble with Rumble?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—&amp;quot;Sir&amp;quot; &#039;&#039;&#039;Rumble&#039;&#039;&#039; prepares to joust.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Make some idiot twenty feet tall, and he thinks he rules the Earth.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:— &#039;&#039;&#039;Beorht&#039;&#039;&#039; isn&#039;t too impressed by Starscream.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Starscream! Lower the drawbridge! &#039;&#039;Ugh!&#039;&#039; I got your stupid potassium nitrate!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—&#039;&#039;&#039;Rumble&#039;&#039;&#039;, carrying a pot of bird droppings while also covered in same.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;What&#039;s the matter? Aren&#039;t you glad to see us?&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;RRRRAGGGH!!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—&#039;&#039;&#039;Starscream&#039;&#039;&#039; asks a rather loaded question of &#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Production information===&lt;br /&gt;
* First draft script: 8 March 1985&lt;br /&gt;
* Script revised by [[Ron Friedman]]: 13 March 1985&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Continuity notes===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:G1 DecepRaiderinKingArthurs WarpathramsRamjet.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|&#039;&#039;In war we&#039;re tough and able&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Quite in-de-fa-ti-gable&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Although at times, we&#039;re given rhymes&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;That are quite un-sing-able!&#039;&#039;]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Gadgets and powers:&lt;br /&gt;
** Starscream can create electric wiring out of gold coins &amp;amp; other treasure, simply by crushing it in his fist&lt;br /&gt;
* Ramjet apparently changes his head on a regular basis.  Hah!&lt;br /&gt;
* Fans have made much of the fact that Warpath defeats Ramjet in a collision, but really, Ramjet&#039;s specialty is hitting &#039;&#039;other planes&#039;&#039;.  Even a tough jet doesn&#039;t compare to a &#039;&#039;tank&#039;&#039;. It&#039;s impressive he withstood one hit when you get down to it.&lt;br /&gt;
* Warpath makes a strange observation, noting that he&#039;s so low on energy that he &amp;quot;can&#039;t even stay transformed&amp;quot;.  Apparently, remaining in vehicle mode consumes energy.&lt;br /&gt;
* Warpath speaks with a moving mouthplate in this episode, rather than the cheek blinkers he sometimes has.&lt;br /&gt;
* Even if he can&#039;t fire lasers, Warpath can still fire shells (and does so, trying to hit Ramjet in the castle).&lt;br /&gt;
* Given it was established that Starscream was a scientist before the war, it makes sense he&#039;s the one who takes the lead in creating the electric generator and the gunpowder.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Real-world references===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Exteriordragonmound.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|SO, brave knights, if you do DOUBT your courage or your strength, come no further, for &#039;&#039;[[Death|DEATH]]&#039;&#039; awaits you all... with nasty, big, pointy [[teeth]]!]]&lt;br /&gt;
* The title of this episode is an homage to the novel &#039;&#039;{{w|A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur&#039;s Court}}&#039;&#039; written by [[Mark Twain]] and published in 1889.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Dragon Mound is surrounded by a {{w|Stonehenge}}-like structure.&lt;br /&gt;
* The instrument panel on the time-travel device is written in {{w|Runic alphabet}}. [[:File:Runes1.jpg|[1]]] [[:File:Runes2.jpg|[2]]] [[File:Runes1.jpg|1px]][[File:Runes2.jpg|1px]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Sir Wigend was to have sworn by {{w|Wodin}} in a deleted line.&lt;br /&gt;
* Surprisingly, there is a slight bit of Arthurian legend present in the episode. Nimue (better known as the Lady of the Lake) is an Arthurian character who fell in love with Merlin. Unsurprisingly, that Nimue is nothing like this episode&#039;s Nimue.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]&#039;&#039; sound effects:&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Luke Skywalker]]&#039;s [[lightsaber]] deflecting the seeker ball bolts can be faintly heard as Beorht recharges Warpath and Hoist.&lt;br /&gt;
** The sound of a lightsaber igniting is used as Beorht drops his electrically charged staff.&lt;br /&gt;
* Despite the title, [[King Arthur]] doesn&#039;t make an appearance in this tale, thus making him Sir-Not-Appearing-In-This-Film.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Animation or technical errors===&lt;br /&gt;
*This episode omits Warpath&#039;s glowing blue faceplate-slits, which light up when he talks throughout the rest of the season. In fact, when he consoles Spike after Nimue is captured, his mouthplate moves up and down, which it doesn&#039;t do in any other episode.&lt;br /&gt;
*Warpath&#039;s chest cannon&#039;s length changes frequently during the episode.&lt;br /&gt;
* The first shot of Warpath has him rolling along in tank mode, drawn at about a 1/4-angle viewpoint, but the ground beneath him is scrolling parallel to the camera.&lt;br /&gt;
* A bizarre flash of energy envelopes Ramjet as he returns to [[robot mode]] after colliding with Warpath.&lt;br /&gt;
* When Starscream raises his right arm to point, the Decepticon emblem on his wing is no longer there.&lt;br /&gt;
* Again showing a wanton disregard for the background matte, Warpath slides sideways as he drives down the hill.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:DecepticonRaider Nimue.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|Oh, wicked, bad, evil, &#039;&#039;naughty&#039;&#039; Zoot!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Nimue has cleavage that appears and disappears from shot to shot and sometimes frame to frame.  And no, you are not a pervert if you watched the episode six times to chronicle this error.&lt;br /&gt;
* The script seems to have called for a trumpet fanfare to summon Spike to the jousting field (thus Hoist&#039;s &amp;quot;That&#039;s your call!&amp;quot; line.)  The sound editors complied by timing a fanfare in the background music to coincide with the moment, but the resulting effect is that Warpath seems to be listening to the background music.&lt;br /&gt;
* A glint of light from Sir Aetheling&#039;s sword gets a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; loud sound effect.  Since sunlight is so loud, y&#039;know.&lt;br /&gt;
* When Ramjet rams into Warpath in the jousting duel, his canopy is smashed and nose cone crushed in, yet less than a minute later, he&#039;s back to normal when the remaining Decepticons attempt to flee with Starscream.&lt;br /&gt;
* As Starscream walks up to kidnap Nimue, the background scrolls behind him much faster than the speed of his walk.&lt;br /&gt;
* Starscream is missing his wing emblems as he drives off with Nimue.&lt;br /&gt;
* Warpath&#039;s tank mode is rather consistently portrayed as bigger and taller than Hoist&#039;s truck mode.  While that would be accurate in the real world, Hoist is taller than Warpath in robot mode.&lt;br /&gt;
* Starscream&#039;s mouth doesn&#039;t move during most of his &amp;quot;No, Rumble, not I...&amp;quot; line.&lt;br /&gt;
* After he throws the gunpowder and puts his hands on his hips, one of Starscream&#039;s arm guns isn&#039;t quite attached to his arm.&lt;br /&gt;
* The tires on Hoist&#039;s feet are white instead of black as he stands up after the lightning recharge.&lt;br /&gt;
* Hoist tackles Starscream even though one frame later he&#039;s seen in vehicle mode.&lt;br /&gt;
* A bit of clumsy sound editing towards the end of this episode results in a small but noticeable error. As Hoist says, &amp;quot;That is, if there&#039;s a way—&amp;quot; his voice is very abruptly cut off.  Then Beohrt announces: &amp;quot;Hoist said &#039;time&#039;!&amp;quot; when Hoist has actually said nothing of the sort. The line as recorded was &amp;quot;That is, if there&#039;s a way back to our own time!&amp;quot; and it was followed by a short scene of Starscream feebly requesting a little energy and being threatened by Warpath, before Beorht makes his proclamation. The removal of the Warpath/Starscream scene appears to have inadvertently clipped the relevant few words off the end of Hoist&#039;s line.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Continuity errors===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Spike gets kissed.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|&amp;quot;Look, let me go back in there and face the peril.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;No, it&#039;s too perilous.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;...Oh, let me have just a little bit of peril?&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
* The historical accuracy of some aspects of this episode is somewhat lacking.  (No! Really?)&lt;br /&gt;
** While the recipe for gunpowder expressed in this episode is roughly correct, gunpowder would not make its way to medieval Europe for another eight hundred years or so, and then only from the Far East.  Of course, the whole &#039;&#039;point&#039;&#039; of its appearance is that it&#039;s a rare, mysterious, wizardly type of thing, so hey.&lt;br /&gt;
** Plate armour of the kind worn by the various knights in this episode was not introduced into medieval Europe until around the year 1400—almost a thousand years from the stated &#039;&#039;anno domini&#039;&#039; 543.  Even so, one should be fair to the writers and cartoonists, given that major motion pictures like &#039;&#039;Excalibur&#039;&#039; also made this sort of error (or used it for dramatic effect because audiences would easily recognise a stereotypical &amp;quot;knight&amp;quot; as opposed to a historically accurate version).  We can let slide the armor that Hoist creates for Spike.&lt;br /&gt;
* Starscream&#039;s math is off by a decade: 543 + 1451 = 1994, rather than the correct date of the Transformers&#039; awakening, 1984.&lt;br /&gt;
* Warpath&#039;s cannon changes from shooting lasers to shells again&lt;br /&gt;
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===Trivia===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Deceptacon.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|&amp;quot;Nu!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;No no no no, it&#039;s not that, it&#039;s &#039;ni&#039;.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Nu!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;No no, &#039;ni&#039;. You&#039;re not doing it properly.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
* The original broadcast version of this episode featured the misspelled title, &amp;quot;A Decept&#039;&#039;&#039;a&#039;&#039;&#039;con Raider...&amp;quot; The error was corrected for the &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|Generation 2]]&#039;&#039; version of the episode. Likewise, when [[Rhino Entertainment|Kid Rhino]] recreated the title cards for their DVD release of the series, it was also amended. This flub seemed minor then, [[Scorpinok (episode)|but]] [[A Tale of Two Heros|years]] [[Imprisoned Inferno|later...]] &lt;br /&gt;
* Per the [[dialogue script]], Starscream was going to say the &amp;quot;Autobots have us trapped like [[robo-rat]]s!&amp;quot; after the Decepticons were caved in by Warpath, but the line was shortened as-aired. Robo-rats would later be name-dropped in &amp;quot;[[Sea Change]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
* Spike actually gets a kiss from a girl. What will [[Carly]] think?&lt;br /&gt;
* This episode is one of four pre-movie episodes in which [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] does not appear.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:DecepticonRaider-NotHank.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Fear not, Ranger! Or is that &amp;quot;Fear not-Ranger&amp;quot;?]]&lt;br /&gt;
* This episode is not included on the Hasbro Pulse YouTube playlist for some reason.&lt;br /&gt;
* Among the audience members watching the joust is a dark-skinned man whose outfit greatly resembles the one worn by Hank the Ranger in the {{w|Dungeons and Dragons (TV series)|&#039;&#039;Dungeons and Dragons&#039;&#039; animated series}}—not entirely surprising, as that program was produced by [[Marvel Productions]], who partnered with [[Sunbow Productions|Sunbow]] on &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039;, and both shows were animated by [[Toei Animation|Toei]]. Next to &amp;quot;Hank&amp;quot; are a man with a shield and a woman in a cloak, but they do not otherwise strongly resemble Eric the Cavalier or Sheila the Thief, characters who were associated with magical versions of those items in the &#039;&#039;Dungeons and Dragons&#039;&#039; cartoon.&lt;br /&gt;
*Beorht wishes &amp;quot;godspeed&amp;quot; to the departing time-travelers, which has to be pretty rare as &#039;80s cartoons go.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Foreign localization===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;French&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title (Canadian French broadcast):&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;La cour du roi Décepticon&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;The court of the Decepticon king&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title (European French broadcast):&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;La cour du roi Deceptican&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;The court of the Decepticon king&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title (European French DVD release):&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Un commando Decepticon à la cour du Roi Arthur&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;A Decepticon Commando in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; ?&lt;br /&gt;
::*Starscream&#039;s first line &amp;quot;Wonderful!&amp;quot; was misinterpreted and translated literally, so he strangely says &amp;quot;It&#039;s the best!&amp;quot; before complaining about not having energy.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Warpath&#039;s lines are absent from the dub during the first battle.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Rumble&#039;s line as he inspects the stones is missing.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Ramjet&#039;s line &amp;quot;Look! It is not blocked anymore!&amp;quot; is missing.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Hoist mistakenly calls Wigend of Blackthorn &amp;quot;Wigend of Blackstone&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
::*For the first appearance of Wigend, [[Francis Lax]] voices him with his &amp;quot;hoarse&amp;quot; voice. He then uses that same voice for Aetheling the Red. Consequently, he dubs Wigend with his &amp;quot;classy&amp;quot; voice for the rest of the episode.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Unlike in English, Starscream does not use a precise number when talking about the time they have before the Transformers awakening. He says they have &amp;quot;a good fifteen centuries&amp;quot; to go.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Wigend mistakenly calls Ramjet &amp;quot;Ratchet&amp;quot;. Ramjet has already been called &amp;quot;Ratchet&amp;quot; the previous times he was named in the dub of the series. However, Starscream and Rumble pronounce his name correctly for the rest of the episode.&lt;br /&gt;
::*When Starscream asks Megatron &amp;quot;Aren&#039;t you happy to see us?&amp;quot;, Megatron screams &amp;quot;No&amp;quot;!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;German&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title (Generation 2 dub):&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Sprung in die Vergangenheit&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;Jump into the Past&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; [[July 9]], [[1994]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Italian&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title (dub 2):&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Un Decepticon alla corte di re Artù&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;A Decepticon in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; ?&lt;br /&gt;
::* It&#039;s unknown wether this episode was ever broadcast in Italy in the &#039;80s since, nowadays, the 2008 one is the only Italian dub available. Possibly, an 80s dub was produced and maybe broadcasted once, but it&#039;s currently lost. A similar fate happened to &#039;&#039;[[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|The Golden Lagoon]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Japanese&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title:&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Time Traveller&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (タイムトラベラー, &amp;quot;Time Travellers&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; [[February 7]], [[1986]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Mandarin&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title:&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Bàtiānhǔ Rùqīn Yàsè Wángcháo&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (霸天虎入侵亚瑟王朝, &amp;quot;Decepticons Invade King Arthur&#039;s Dynasty&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; ?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Brazilian Portuguese&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title:&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Um Cavaleiro Decepticon na Corte do Rei Arthur&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;A Decepticon Knight in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; ?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Russian&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title:&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Deseptikony pri dvore Korolya Artura&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (Десептиконы при дворе Короля Артура, &amp;quot;A Decepticons in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Home video releases==&lt;br /&gt;
{{homevidnote}}&lt;br /&gt;
;{{w|LaserDisc}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1994 — &#039;&#039;Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers&#039;&#039; — Convoy Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1998 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — Autobot Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.&lt;br /&gt;
;DVD&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — DVD Box 1 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — &#039;&#039;The Original Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season 2 Part 1 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — &#039;&#039;The Original Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season 2 Part 1: Vol. 4 (Rhino Entertainment)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2003 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season 2 Part 1 ([[Metrodome]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — Collection 2: Series 2.1 ([[Madman Entertainment]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of France.png|20px|France]] 2004 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — Volume 9 ([[Déclic Images]]) — European French audio only.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2008 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — Volume 04: Stagione Due Parte Seconda ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season Two: Part One (Metrodome)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season Two, Volume One: 25th Anniversary Edition ([[Shout! Factory]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary &amp;quot;Matrix of Leadership&amp;quot; Collection (Shout! Factory)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season Two, Volume One: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20210527062521/http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/season-2/synopses/700-39.html Episode Dossier at The Cybertron Chronicle]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/190Rwc2PF0Yk4RpKI_PPZb33WIsRV020X/view?usp=sharing First draft script, originally submitted 8th March 1985]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://drive.google.com/open?id=1GFwum58xVCsE7FmWgQnnvzL0XCGAheBW Full episode script, as revised by Ron Friedman 13th March 1985]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur&#039;s Court (episode)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;{{disambig2|the cartoon episode|the mobile game event|A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur&#039;s Court (Legends)}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{episode&lt;br /&gt;
|image=G1toon starscream king of the castle.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|caption=&amp;quot;It&#039;s only a model.&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Shhh.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|series=G1toon&lt;br /&gt;
|ep=40&lt;br /&gt;
|prev2=Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2&lt;br /&gt;
|next2=The Golden Lagoon (episode)&lt;br /&gt;
|series2=SRLFtoon&lt;br /&gt;
|ep2=30&lt;br /&gt;
|series3=&#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|Transformers: Generation 2]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|ep3=11&lt;br /&gt;
|prev3=The Master Builders (episode)&lt;br /&gt;
|next3=The Golden Lagoon (episode)&lt;br /&gt;
|title=&amp;quot;A Deceptacon Raider in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|season=2&lt;br /&gt;
|season ep=24&lt;br /&gt;
|airdate=[[October 24]], 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|written by=[[Douglas Booth]]&lt;br /&gt;
|production code=#700-39&lt;br /&gt;
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]&lt;br /&gt;
|animation studio=[[Unknown Generation 1 animation studios|Unknown]]&lt;br /&gt;
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]&lt;br /&gt;
|video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci98CseGP-g&lt;br /&gt;
|videosite=YouTube&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;The Transformers go to the sixth century but avoid Camelot, as it is a silly place.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Synopsis==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Ramjetinpast.gif|left|thumb|You yellow bastard! Come back here, and get what&#039;s coming to you! I&#039;ll bite yer legs off!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] are battling it out with [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Ravage (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ravage]], and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]. When the [[Decepticon]]s retreat out of exhaustion, Rumble detects energy in a nearby cave, only for the Decepticons to get caught in a cave-in when they enter to investigate. While searching for the energy source, they accidentally activate ancient runes that transport them to [[United Kingdom|Britain]] in the year 543 A.D. There, they are greeted by Sir [[Wigend of Blackthorn]] and his knights, who believe the [[Transformer]]s are knights of an enemy realm.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Raiderrumblejoust.jpg|thumb|Listen... in order to maintain airspeed velocity, Ramjet needs to spin his turbines 43 times every second, right?]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The Decepticons agree to help Wigend&#039;s knights win their conflict with rival Sir [[Aetheling the Red]], but Starscream obviously wants to rule and have a land of his own. Nearby, Aetheling&#039;s daughter [[Nimue]] is spying on their conversation and runs to warn her father, but is detected by Ravage and pursued until the newly arrived [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike]], Warpath and Hoist rescue her.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Aetheling decides to organize a jousting tournament in hopes of settling his feud with Wigend peacefully. After Spike fails in the tournament, Wigend sends Ramjet and Rumble to compete on his behalf (Rumble riding Ramjet in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]), but they are defeated by Warpath and Sir Aetheling. An enraged Starscream is sick of chivalry, kidnaps Nimue and threatens her life unless Sir Aetheling agrees to give up his realm. The Autobots give chase but cannot keep up due to lack of energy and collapse out of exhaustion. The chase is also observed by an [[Solomon|owl]], who flies off to inform his master, the wizard [[Beorht]], of this new development.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Raiderstarscreamcooks.jpg|left|thumb|What manner of man are you, that can summon up fire without flint or tinder?]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Starscream holds Nimue prisoner in Wigend&#039;s castle, which he has commandeered, and forces its residents to construct and power a primitive electrical generator to keep the Decepticons energized. Having gathered sulfur, charcoal and rock salt to make gunpowder, Starscream then sends Rumble to get the last ingredient...{{w|potassium nitrate}} from lots of bird droppings. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Raiderrollinthehay.jpg|thumb|Yes! Yes! You must give us ALL a good spanking!]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Spike attempts to rescue Nimue from Wigend&#039;s keep, only to find Sir Wigend has switched sides and the two of them are now a happy couple. Despite feeling rejected, Spike still agrees to help fight the war against the Decepticons. Meanwhile, the Autobots and Sir Aetheling&#039;s knights charge towards the castle to battle it out with the Decepticons. The Autobots help the knights cross the moat and scale the walls, but they can&#039;t put up much of a fight due to their dangerously low energy levels. Starscream&#039;s gunpowder projectiles make short work of the invading forces.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Raiderdragonvsautobots.jpg|left|thumb|When suddenly... the ANIMATOR suffered a fatal heart attack!  And the cartoon peril was no more.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Beorht the wizard appears and summons lightning that repowers Warpath and Hoist back up to fighting strength, though not enough to use their weapons. They take back the battle with Starscream and are victorious, destroying Starscream&#039;s power dynamo. Beorht concludes the robots are [[time travel]]ers and that the cave they arrived in was the [[Dragon Mound]], a time travel structure of his own design. He leads the Autobots and captive Decepticons back to the cave, only to find it guarded by the eponymous [[dragon]]. Starscream refuses to go any closer, but Beorht pulls out a pouch of &amp;quot;[[Dragon&#039;s Bane]]&amp;quot;, his own name for gunpowder, noting that a little bit of it works every time. He throws the concoction at the dragon and it explodes, frightening away the beast. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Spike and the Transformers re-enter the Dragon Mound and return to the present. When they arrive back in their own time, they are greeted by multiple cannon blasts by [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]. Starscream tackles his leader in a burst of enthusiasm at being back safely. Megatron, on the other hand, isn&#039;t nearly as happy to see Starscream, who has just ruined his shot...&lt;br /&gt;
{{--}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Featured characters==&lt;br /&gt;
{{featuredcharacters&lt;br /&gt;
|c1=&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (5)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] (6)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
|c2=&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (1)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (2)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ravage (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ravage]] (3)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (4)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (16)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] (17)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (18)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]] (19)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (20)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
|c3=&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Nimue]] (7)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wigend of Blackthorn]] (8)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Wulf]] (9)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] (11)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Deore]] (12)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Aetheling the Red]] (13)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Beorht]] (14)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
|c4=&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Solomon]] (10)&lt;br /&gt;
*A [[dragon]] (15)&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Quotes==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Beorht01.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Look! It&#039;s the old man from Scene 24!]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Raiderrumblepoo.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|&amp;quot;Who&#039;s that there?&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;I dunno. Must be a king.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Why?&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Oohh! I just changed heads last week!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—A ground-bound &#039;&#039;&#039;Ramjet&#039;&#039;&#039; learns that even a tough jet is no match for [[Warpath (G1)|a tank]].&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Out of the way, Rumble! It could be dangerous. As your leader, I must take the risk. Anyway, I&#039;m lower on energy than you!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—&#039;&#039;&#039;Starscream&#039;&#039;&#039; acting true to form.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Huh! Inferior construction, even for an Autobot. One good whack, it breaks right in two!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—&#039;&#039;&#039;Ramjet&#039;&#039;&#039; examining the &amp;quot;wreckage&amp;quot; of Sir Wulf and his horse.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;What&#039;s more important is that we have 1,451 years to go before we have to worry about the Autobots and that bungler Megatron!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—Even trapped in the past, &#039;&#039;&#039;Starscream&#039;&#039;&#039; looks on the bright side, unaware his math is failing.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Whatcha waiting for, Red Knight? Don&#039;t you wanna rumble with Rumble?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—&amp;quot;Sir&amp;quot; &#039;&#039;&#039;Rumble&#039;&#039;&#039; prepares to joust.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Make some idiot twenty feet tall, and he thinks he rules the Earth.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:— &#039;&#039;&#039;Beorht&#039;&#039;&#039; isn&#039;t too impressed by Starscream.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Starscream! Lower the drawbridge! &#039;&#039;Ugh!&#039;&#039; I got your stupid potassium nitrate!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—&#039;&#039;&#039;Rumble&#039;&#039;&#039;, carrying a pot of bird droppings while also covered in same.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;What&#039;s the matter? Aren&#039;t you glad to see us?&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;RRRRAGGGH!!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:—&#039;&#039;&#039;Starscream&#039;&#039;&#039; asks a rather loaded question of &#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
===Production information===&lt;br /&gt;
* First draft script: 8 March 1985&lt;br /&gt;
* Script revised by [[Ron Friedman]]: 13 March 1985&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Continuity notes===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:G1 DecepRaiderinKingArthurs WarpathramsRamjet.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|&#039;&#039;In war we&#039;re tough and able&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Quite in-de-fa-ti-gable&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Although at times, we&#039;re given rhymes&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;That are quite un-sing-able!&#039;&#039;]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Gadgets and powers:&lt;br /&gt;
** Starscream can create electric wiring out of gold coins &amp;amp; other treasure, simply by crushing it in his fist&lt;br /&gt;
* Ramjet apparently changes his head on a regular basis.  Hah!&lt;br /&gt;
* Fans have made much of the fact that Warpath defeats Ramjet in a collision, but really, Ramjet&#039;s specialty is hitting &#039;&#039;other planes&#039;&#039;.  Even a tough jet doesn&#039;t compare to a &#039;&#039;tank&#039;&#039;. It&#039;s impressive he withstood one hit when you get down to it.&lt;br /&gt;
* Warpath makes a strange observation, noting that he&#039;s so low on energy that he &amp;quot;can&#039;t even stay transformed&amp;quot;.  Apparently, remaining in vehicle mode consumes energy.&lt;br /&gt;
* Warpath speaks with a moving mouthplate in this episode, rather than the cheek blinkers he sometimes has.&lt;br /&gt;
* Even if he can&#039;t fire lasers, Warpath can still fire shells (and does so, trying to hit Ramjet in the castle).&lt;br /&gt;
* Given it was established that Starscream was a scientist before the war, it makes sense he&#039;s the one who takes the lead in creating the electric generator and the gunpowder.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Real-world references===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Exteriordragonmound.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|SO, brave knights, if you do DOUBT your courage or your strength, come no further, for &#039;&#039;[[Death|DEATH]]&#039;&#039; awaits you all... with nasty, big, pointy [[teeth]]!]]&lt;br /&gt;
* The title of this episode is an homage to the novel &#039;&#039;{{w|A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur&#039;s Court}}&#039;&#039; written by [[Mark Twain]] and published in 1889.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Dragon Mound is surrounded by a {{w|Stonehenge}}-like structure.&lt;br /&gt;
* The instrument panel on the time-travel device is written in {{w|Runic alphabet}}. [[:File:Runes1.jpg|[1]]] [[:File:Runes2.jpg|[2]]] [[File:Runes1.jpg|1px]][[File:Runes2.jpg|1px]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Sir Wigend was to have sworn by {{w|Wodin}} in a deleted line.&lt;br /&gt;
* Surprisingly, there is a slight bit of Arthurian legend present in the episode. Nimue (better known as the Lady of the Lake) is an Arthurian character who fell in love with Merlin. Unsurprisingly, that Nimue is nothing like this episode&#039;s Nimue.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]&#039;&#039; sound effects:&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Luke Skywalker]]&#039;s [[lightsaber]] deflecting the seeker ball bolts can be faintly heard as Beorht recharges Warpath and Hoist.&lt;br /&gt;
** The sound of a lightsaber igniting is used as Beorht drops his electrically charged staff.&lt;br /&gt;
* Despite the title, [[King Arthur]] doesn&#039;t make an appearance in this tale, thus making him Sir-Not-Appearing-In-This-Film.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Animation or technical errors===&lt;br /&gt;
*This episode omits Warpath&#039;s glowing blue faceplate-slits, which light up when he talks throughout the rest of the season. In fact, when he consoles Spike after Nimue is captured, his mouthplate moves up and down, which it doesn&#039;t do in any other episode.&lt;br /&gt;
*Warpath&#039;s chest cannon&#039;s length changes frequently during the episode.&lt;br /&gt;
* The first shot of Warpath has him rolling along in tank mode, drawn at about a 1/4-angle viewpoint, but the ground beneath him is scrolling parallel to the camera.&lt;br /&gt;
* A bizarre flash of energy envelopes Ramjet as he returns to [[robot mode]] after colliding with Warpath.&lt;br /&gt;
* When Starscream raises his right arm to point, the Decepticon emblem on his wing is no longer there.&lt;br /&gt;
* Again showing a wanton disregard for the background matte, Warpath slides sideways as he drives down the hill.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:DecepticonRaider Nimue.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|Oh, wicked, bad, evil, &#039;&#039;naughty&#039;&#039; Zoot!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Nimue has cleavage that appears and disappears from shot to shot and sometimes frame to frame.  And no, you are not a pervert if you watched the episode six times to chronicle this error.&lt;br /&gt;
* The script seems to have called for a trumpet fanfare to summon Spike to the jousting field (thus Hoist&#039;s &amp;quot;That&#039;s your call!&amp;quot; line.)  The sound editors complied by timing a fanfare in the background music to coincide with the moment, but the resulting effect is that Warpath seems to be listening to the background music.&lt;br /&gt;
* A glint of light from Sir Aetheling&#039;s sword gets a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; loud sound effect.  Since sunlight is so loud, y&#039;know.&lt;br /&gt;
* When Ramjet rams into Warpath in the jousting duel, his canopy is smashed and nose cone crushed in, yet less than a minute later, he&#039;s back to normal when the remaining Decepticons attempt to flee with Starscream.&lt;br /&gt;
* As Starscream walks up to kidnap Nimue, the background scrolls behind him much faster than the speed of his walk.&lt;br /&gt;
* Starscream is missing his wing emblems as he drives off with Nimue.&lt;br /&gt;
* Warpath&#039;s tank mode is rather consistently portrayed as bigger and taller than Hoist&#039;s truck mode.  While that would be accurate in the real world, Hoist is taller than Warpath in robot mode.&lt;br /&gt;
* Starscream&#039;s mouth doesn&#039;t move during most of his &amp;quot;No, Rumble, not I...&amp;quot; line.&lt;br /&gt;
* After he throws the gunpowder and puts his hands on his hips, one of Starscream&#039;s arm guns isn&#039;t quite attached to his arm.&lt;br /&gt;
* The tires on Hoist&#039;s feet are white instead of black as he stands up after the lightning recharge.&lt;br /&gt;
* Hoist tackles Starscream even though one frame later he&#039;s seen in vehicle mode.&lt;br /&gt;
* A bit of clumsy sound editing towards the end of this episode results in a small but noticeable error. As Hoist says, &amp;quot;That is, if there&#039;s a way—&amp;quot; his voice is very abruptly cut off.  Then Beohrt announces: &amp;quot;Hoist said &#039;time&#039;!&amp;quot; when Hoist has actually said nothing of the sort. The line as recorded was &amp;quot;That is, if there&#039;s a way back to our own time!&amp;quot; and it was followed by a short scene of Starscream feebly requesting a little energy and being threatened by Warpath, before Beorht makes his proclamation. The removal of the Warpath/Starscream scene appears to have inadvertently clipped the relevant few words off the end of Hoist&#039;s line.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Continuity errors===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Spike gets kissed.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|&amp;quot;Look, let me go back in there and face the peril.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;No, it&#039;s too perilous.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;...Oh, let me have just a little bit of peril?&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
* The historical accuracy of some aspects of this episode is somewhat lacking.  (No! Really?)&lt;br /&gt;
** While the recipe for gunpowder expressed in this episode is roughly correct, gunpowder would not make its way to medieval Europe for another eight hundred years or so, and then only from the Far East.  Of course, the whole &#039;&#039;point&#039;&#039; of its appearance is that it&#039;s a rare, mysterious, wizardly type of thing, so hey.&lt;br /&gt;
** Plate armour of the kind worn by the various knights in this episode was not introduced into medieval Europe until around the year 1400—almost a thousand years from the stated &#039;&#039;anno domini&#039;&#039; 543.  Even so, one should be fair to the writers and cartoonists, given that major motion pictures like &#039;&#039;Excalibur&#039;&#039; also made this sort of error (or used it for dramatic effect because audiences would easily recognise a stereotypical &amp;quot;knight&amp;quot; as opposed to a historically accurate version).  We can let slide the armor that Hoist creates for Spike.&lt;br /&gt;
* Starscream&#039;s math is off by a decade: 543 + 1451 = 1994, rather than the correct date of the Transformers&#039; awakening, 1984.&lt;br /&gt;
* Warpath&#039;s cannon changes from shooting lasers to shells again&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Trivia===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Deceptacon.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|&amp;quot;Nu!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;No no no no, it&#039;s not that, it&#039;s &#039;ni&#039;.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Nu!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;quot;No no, &#039;ni&#039;. You&#039;re not doing it properly.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
* The original broadcast version of this episode featured the misspelled title, &amp;quot;A Decept&#039;&#039;&#039;a&#039;&#039;&#039;con Raider...&amp;quot; The error was corrected for the &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|Generation 2]]&#039;&#039; version of the episode. Likewise, when [[Rhino Entertainment|Kid Rhino]] recreated the title cards for their DVD release of the series, it was also amended. This flub seemed minor then, [[Scorpinok (episode)|but]] [[A Tale of Two Heros|years]] [[Imprisoned Inferno|later...]] &lt;br /&gt;
* Per the [[dialogue script]], Starscream was going to say the &amp;quot;Autobots have us trapped like [[robo-rat]]s!&amp;quot; after the Decepticons were caved in by Warpath, but the line was shortened as-aired. Robo-rats would later be name-dropped in &amp;quot;[[Sea Change]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
* Spike actually gets a kiss from a girl. What will [[Carly]] think?&lt;br /&gt;
* This episode is one of four pre-movie episodes in which [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] does not appear.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:DecepticonRaider-NotHank.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Fear not, Ranger! Or is that &amp;quot;Fear not-Ranger&amp;quot;?]]&lt;br /&gt;
* This episode is not included on the Hasbro Pulse YouTube page for some reason.&lt;br /&gt;
* Among the audience members watching the joust is a dark-skinned man whose outfit greatly resembles the one worn by Hank the Ranger in the {{w|Dungeons and Dragons (TV series)|&#039;&#039;Dungeons and Dragons&#039;&#039; animated series}}—not entirely surprising, as that program was produced by [[Marvel Productions]], who partnered with [[Sunbow Productions|Sunbow]] on &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039;, and both shows were animated by [[Toei Animation|Toei]]. Next to &amp;quot;Hank&amp;quot; are a man with a shield and a woman in a cloak, but they do not otherwise strongly resemble Eric the Cavalier or Sheila the Thief, characters who were associated with magical versions of those items in the &#039;&#039;Dungeons and Dragons&#039;&#039; cartoon.&lt;br /&gt;
*Beorht wishes &amp;quot;godspeed&amp;quot; to the departing time-travelers, which has to be pretty rare as &#039;80s cartoons go.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Foreign localization===&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;French&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title (Canadian French broadcast):&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;La cour du roi Décepticon&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;The court of the Decepticon king&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title (European French broadcast):&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;La cour du roi Deceptican&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;The court of the Decepticon king&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title (European French DVD release):&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Un commando Decepticon à la cour du Roi Arthur&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;A Decepticon Commando in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; ?&lt;br /&gt;
::*Starscream&#039;s first line &amp;quot;Wonderful!&amp;quot; was misinterpreted and translated literally, so he strangely says &amp;quot;It&#039;s the best!&amp;quot; before complaining about not having energy.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Warpath&#039;s lines are absent from the dub during the first battle.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Rumble&#039;s line as he inspects the stones is missing.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Ramjet&#039;s line &amp;quot;Look! It is not blocked anymore!&amp;quot; is missing.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Hoist mistakenly calls Wigend of Blackthorn &amp;quot;Wigend of Blackstone&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
::*For the first appearance of Wigend, [[Francis Lax]] voices him with his &amp;quot;hoarse&amp;quot; voice. He then uses that same voice for Aetheling the Red. Consequently, he dubs Wigend with his &amp;quot;classy&amp;quot; voice for the rest of the episode.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Unlike in English, Starscream does not use a precise number when talking about the time they have before the Transformers awakening. He says they have &amp;quot;a good fifteen centuries&amp;quot; to go.&lt;br /&gt;
::*Wigend mistakenly calls Ramjet &amp;quot;Ratchet&amp;quot;. Ramjet has already been called &amp;quot;Ratchet&amp;quot; the previous times he was named in the dub of the series. However, Starscream and Rumble pronounce his name correctly for the rest of the episode.&lt;br /&gt;
::*When Starscream asks Megatron &amp;quot;Aren&#039;t you happy to see us?&amp;quot;, Megatron screams &amp;quot;No&amp;quot;!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;German&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title (Generation 2 dub):&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Sprung in die Vergangenheit&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;Jump into the Past&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; [[July 9]], [[1994]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Italian&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title (dub 2):&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Un Decepticon alla corte di re Artù&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;A Decepticon in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; ?&lt;br /&gt;
::* It&#039;s unknown wether this episode was ever broadcast in Italy in the &#039;80s since, nowadays, the 2008 one is the only Italian dub available. Possibly, an 80s dub was produced and maybe broadcasted once, but it&#039;s currently lost. A similar fate happened to &#039;&#039;[[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|The Golden Lagoon]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Japanese&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title:&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Time Traveller&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (タイムトラベラー, &amp;quot;Time Travellers&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; [[February 7]], [[1986]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Mandarin&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title:&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Bàtiānhǔ Rùqīn Yàsè Wángcháo&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (霸天虎入侵亚瑟王朝, &amp;quot;Decepticons Invade King Arthur&#039;s Dynasty&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; ?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Brazilian Portuguese&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title:&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Um Cavaleiro Decepticon na Corte do Rei Arthur&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;A Decepticon Knight in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039; ?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Russian&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Title:&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Deseptikony pri dvore Korolya Artura&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; (Десептиконы при дворе Короля Артура, &amp;quot;A Decepticons in King Arthur&#039;s Court&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Original airdate:&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Home video releases==&lt;br /&gt;
{{homevidnote}}&lt;br /&gt;
;{{w|LaserDisc}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1994 — &#039;&#039;Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers&#039;&#039; — Convoy Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1998 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — Autobot Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.&lt;br /&gt;
;DVD&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — DVD Box 1 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — &#039;&#039;The Original Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season 2 Part 1 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — &#039;&#039;The Original Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season 2 Part 1: Vol. 4 (Rhino Entertainment)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2003 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season 2 Part 1 ([[Metrodome]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — Collection 2: Series 2.1 ([[Madman Entertainment]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of France.png|20px|France]] 2004 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — Volume 9 ([[Déclic Images]]) — European French audio only.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2008 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — Volume 04: Stagione Due Parte Seconda ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season Two: Part One (Metrodome)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season Two, Volume One: 25th Anniversary Edition ([[Shout! Factory]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary &amp;quot;Matrix of Leadership&amp;quot; Collection (Shout! Factory)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; — Season Two, Volume One: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20210527062521/http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/season-2/synopses/700-39.html Episode Dossier at The Cybertron Chronicle]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/190Rwc2PF0Yk4RpKI_PPZb33WIsRV020X/view?usp=sharing First draft script, originally submitted 8th March 1985]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://drive.google.com/open?id=1GFwum58xVCsE7FmWgQnnvzL0XCGAheBW Full episode script, as revised by Ron Friedman 13th March 1985]&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Quick facts about me:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*My first &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; toys was Trailbreaker and Prowl.&lt;br /&gt;
*I created my one version of Transformers called The Zapbots.&lt;br /&gt;
*I play keyboards in several progressive rock bands&lt;br /&gt;
*I did the [http://www.tformers.com Tformers.com] Podcast with ZePiper for a short time.&lt;br /&gt;
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My name is &#039;&#039;&#039;ironhide1975&#039;&#039;&#039; and I am from Columbus Ohio. I&#039;ve been a Transformers fan since the age of 8. I was around during G1. It was a great time to be a kid. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Quick facts about me:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*My first &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; toys was Trailbreaker and Prowl.&lt;br /&gt;
*I created my one version of Transformers called The Zapbots.&lt;br /&gt;
*I play keyboards in several progressive rock bands&lt;br /&gt;
*I did the [http://www.tformers.com Tformers.com] Podcast with ZePiper for a short time.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==My personal links==&lt;br /&gt;
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My name is &#039;&#039;&#039;ironhide1975&#039;&#039;&#039; and I am from Columbus Ohio. I&#039;ve been a Transformers fan since the age of 8. I was around during G1. It was a great time to be a kid. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Quick facts about me:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*My first &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; toys was Trailbreaker and Prowl.&lt;br /&gt;
*I created my one version of Transformers called The Zapbots.&lt;br /&gt;
*I play keyboards in several progressive rock bands&lt;br /&gt;
*I did the [http://www.tformers.com Tformers.com]]Podcast with ZePiper for a short time.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==My personal links==&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I am all for having an entry that consists entirely of &amp;quot;OUR MISSILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot;, but is the bold really neccessary? It makes it look like a header. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 02:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Trivia says: &#039;&#039;At OTFCC 2004 that there was no Prowl Alternator in the works&#039;&#039;.  I&#039;m assumignt here&#039;s suppsoed ot be a &amp;quot;_____ stated&amp;quot; int here someplace.  Who stated?  Hasbro?  Aaron Archer?  Hooper-X?  (I could see Hooper wanting to disappoint a room full of Transfans.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought the Prowl2 line was just a joke.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Past Tense? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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We probably need a policy statement somewhere (or at least somewhere I can find it) as to whether fictional events are described in present tense (as in the Wikipedia), in past tense (as preferred by at least one of our mods), or in whichever the writer prefers. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Apparently I&#039;m no good at keeping track of tense, so people sometimes chastise me after I&#039;ve filled in the fiction sections. Of course, I didn&#039;t even know we had a policy. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, apparently we do need a summary of what tense to use where, &#039;cuz I can&#039;t find anything like that.  But to sum up -- Introductory paragraph in present tense, fiction in past tense.  Basically, &amp;quot;This is who the character IS, this is what the character DID.&amp;quot;  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do we have a consensus on that, or are you speaking &#039;&#039;ex moderata?&#039;&#039;  And, how does this apply to non-character pages, like synopses of comics?  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I&#039;d say it&#039;s a consensus, as I believe most of the top-contributers write the pages in that way.  (For a while, [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] was our &amp;quot;this is how you do a page&amp;quot; project, though it&#039;s likely out of date by now for some new developments...)  For non-character pages like episode or comic summaries, I&#039;d suggest present tense.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve actually read enough summary pages close enough to say if they&#039;re being written in mostly one tense or the other... but &amp;quot;present&amp;quot; is my off-the-cuff preference.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Most of what we write is past tense, especially when summarizing fiction.  It doesn&#039;t matter whether it&#039;s a character page or an episode/issue page.  -- [[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Walky&#039;s rationale makes sense to me, and I agree with Steve that it should apply to episode/issue pages.  A story summary is a story summary, and summaries are written by definition after something has happened. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::See, I&#039;d vote for present tense on the comic/episode summary pages, but past tense when summarizing fiction on character/object/location pages. In the case of the latter, that&#039;s the &amp;quot;Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe&amp;quot;-reader in me - it&#039;s the character&#039;s whole &#039;&#039;history&#039;&#039;, as in, what has gone before, so it should be past tense. But when specifically summarizing one, small, condensed piece of fiction, there&#039;s that rule of thumb Wikipedia uses that says to use present tense &amp;quot;as this is the way that the story is experienced as it is read or viewed.&amp;quot; - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I find the present tense in story summaries to be a laudable goal-- but often difficult to accomplish.  The past tense is more friendly to omniscient narration (because you&#039;re looking back on things) and I would have found it vexing to summarize, say, [[The Magnificent Six!]]. in the present-tense while reflecting the narrative ignorance that&#039;s central to its slowly revealed backstory. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Resetting the indents...) It&#039;s news to me that Wikipedia perfers present tense for summaries.  Personally, I think that present tense reporting sounds amateurish.  Compare the present Dreamwave text:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Prowl was an Autobot from Praxus. After the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock called him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, where he declared that if the new Prime was insufficient, they would take control of the Autobot military. Prowl was present at the ceremony when Optronix became Optimus Prime, and was restrained by Grimlock when Prime was attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
To a present-tense rewrite:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Prowl is an Autobot from Praxus. After the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock calls him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, where he declares that if the new Prime is insufficient, they will take control of the Autobot military. Prowl is present at the ceremony when Optronix becomes Optimus Prime, and is restrained by Grimlock when Prime is attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
Granted, I could rewrite a little bit to make it more elegant...&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|The Autobot Prowl calls Praxus his home.  Upon the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock summons him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, and declares that if the new Prime is insufficient, they will take control of the Autobot military. Later, Prowl attends the ceremony in which Optronix becomes Optimus Prime, and is restrained by Grimlock when Prime is attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
...but I still think that sounds like it was written by a 12 year old.  The past-tense version is more professional and authoritative. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;It&#039;s news to me that Wikipedia perfers present tense for summaries.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s specified here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28writing_about_fiction%29 Writing About Fiction], under &amp;quot;Contextual presentation&amp;quot;.  I disagree about it sounding amateurish.  [[User:JW|JW]] 00:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Wiki&#039;s insistence on present tense is part of it&#039;s &amp;quot;do not ever ever write in-universe on pain of fucking death&amp;quot; approach. To write a summary of the life and activities of a real person, you write in past tense - so since we write in-universe here, as though these were &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; characters, past tense is appropriate. But when you&#039;re writing a summary of a single episode or comic, on it&#039;s own page, where you acknowledge that it&#039;s fiction, present tense flows better, I think. It&#039;s &amp;quot;coming alive,&amp;quot; in the here and now, as it were. I don&#039;t know about anyone else, but when I write a summary, I&#039;ve got the episode or comic in front of me, and go through it. It&#039;s actually &amp;quot;happening&amp;quot; in front of me as the summary is created, hence, present tense. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Earthforce ==&lt;br /&gt;
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With Earthforce being in a separate timeline section, should flashbacks from Earthforce that supposedly take place back during the regular UK run (like Prowl&#039;s encounter with the Battlechargers) be in the main body of the Marvel timeline or just in the Earthforce section?--[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 03:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That&#039;s something I&#039;ve wrestled with.  They could be considered retroactive additions to canon &amp;quot;before&amp;quot; the timeline split off, or... I dunno.  I can see it both ways.  I just worry that segregating the flashback material from the context in which they happened is unnecessarily confusing.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Reprolabels? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Given the minor edit war here over whether to include mention of the Reprolabels set available for the Alternators toys, should we cut &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; mention of Reprolabels from the wiki?  It&#039;s mentioned on five other pages.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Reprolabels is pretty clearly Not Official.  They probably shouldn&#039;t be on the Wiki at all.  If they are, they should be either on the [[Fandom]] page (I could see mentioning a few sample fandom-based businesses like this, Unicron.com, Justitoys, etc.), or listed in a character&#039;s trivia as a response to any outstanding fan controversy surrounding a particular toy -- but that&#039;s a very slippery slope, and I&#039;m pretty sure other folks around here would just say Not Official is the whole story, fullstop. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, especially this particular invocation of Reprolabels is against our policies here.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Universe Prowl Picture? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How come there isn&#039;t a piccie for Universe (2008) Prowl? Shouldn&#039;t there be an official photograph &#039;&#039;somewheres&#039;&#039;? Or is Prowl that much of a prick that he doesn&#039;t want a pic of his newest figure to be displayed? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 11:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I dunno.  Probably no one&#039;s done it yet.  We &#039;&#039;do&#039;&#039; have 22 years of back material to catch up on you know.  Has Hasbro put out official pics? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I thought they did. Buggered if I know where they are. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 11:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Prowl (Magnaboss)==&lt;br /&gt;
Page needs deleating. Furman has said he&#039;s established as G1 Prowl in the upcomming IDW BW mini. Same for the other Magnaboss components and their G1 counterparts.&lt;br /&gt;
: God DAMMIT Furman...&lt;br /&gt;
:: Is there some way to completely remove Furman from Transformers without doing actual physical harm to him? :( --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Honestly don&#039;t see what the big deal is. This guy and his compatriots had ZERO personality anywhere ever, and have long been speculated by fans to be their G1 counterparts, asspecially with the assumed leadership role as counterpart to Tripredacus. I&#039;d a thousand times rather have them be their G1 selves and hence ACTUAL CHARACTERS, than remain blank slates for an eternity.  As for Furman he&#039;s been doing SPECTACULAR work on the regular IDW books. He&#039;s as strong or stronger than he&#039;s ever been IMO.&lt;br /&gt;
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We&#039;ll see what else comes down the pike before deleting. Also, I like the false choice you present -- that they can EITHER be the G1 guys OR they can be nobodies forever.  Because clearly, making them NEW guys who are &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; GEEWUN AGAIN LOOK MORE GEEWUN YOU LIKE GEEWUN RIGHT?! can&#039;t &#039;&#039;possibly&#039;&#039; be an option. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: As long as they give the writing to Furman, &amp;quot;HAY LUK GUYZ IM PROWL FROM GEEWUN&amp;quot; is the most characterization they could get. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::That&#039;s pretty funny since Furman&#039;s pretty much the only guy to ever give Prowl a personality. He was a non-entity in the G1 toon and early comic only furman&#039;s work on the later Marvel book and in IDW have ever brought him to life as the by-the-book Prick everyone loves to hate. &lt;br /&gt;
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:: Do you know of any other non-IDW project pending using these characters? If not, there&#039;s just NO justification for not deleating these. In their only fiction ever they ARE new bodies of the G1 characters. Fictional portrail IS what we base these pages on, right?  If someone else were schedualed to use the characters as seperate beings soon that would be one thing, but giving them seperate pages simply becasue you happen to dislike the fact that they are the G1 folks is totally without merit and against the principles of presenting the facts that this wiki tries to stand by, IMO.&lt;br /&gt;
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::As for the choice bit, no choice was intended. I simply stated that these guys were &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;total non-entities fan-speculated to be G1ers&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; for all the years of their existance and now they &#039;&#039;actually difinitivly G1ers&#039;&#039; and between those two states I find the latter much preferable. Sure they could have been non-G1ers, and that would have been fine too, but they have *always* been likely speculated suspects for surviving Autobots and now it&#039;s simbly been confirmed. It&#039;s not like he made Torca = Ultra Magnus or Bantor = Wreck-gar. It was a very small and acceptable step IMO. If the IDW Profile books come out and are FILLED with G1ers reborn that will be bad, but for these three it&#039;s rather appropriate and fitting I&#039;d say.&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s not about prowl and co &#039;&#039;per se&#039;&#039;, it&#039;s about the fact that the autobots are supposed to be &#039;&#039;&#039;gone&#039;&#039;&#039; or &#039;&#039;&#039;extremely rare&#039;&#039;&#039; in BW-era.  But &#039;&#039;&#039;every single&#039;&#039;&#039; comic book, or convention story dealing with the BW era has introduced G1 characters int he Beast Era.  Scads of them.  Soon they will out number the actual Beast Warriors.  (I&#039;m not joking, it was only 3 years of a fairly limited assortment with lots of repeat characters.)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Beast Wars entire &#039;&#039;&#039;thing&#039;&#039;&#039; that makes it unique is that G1 is &#039;&#039;over&#039;&#039; and thsoe characters are &#039;&#039;gone.&#039;&#039;  But the first thing &#039;&#039;any&#039;&#039; writer does, given a chance to mess with the Beast Era, is introduce more G1 characters.&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s like you give a small child with no self-restraint a marshmellow and tell them &amp;quot;Now, the only thing you must remember is &#039;&#039;do not masturbate on the marshmallow.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;  And the idea &#039;&#039;consumes&#039;&#039; them, and the next thing you know they&#039;re jerking off.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Nothing against G1?  We&#039;d just prefer BW wasn&#039;t &#039;&#039;quite&#039;&#039; so sticky with fanwank. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Besides, considering Beast Wars is G1 cartoon canon (Starscream dies in 2005, Nemesis, etc.), shouldn&#039;t Prowl and Ironhide be, I dunno.... &#039;&#039;dead&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Who says its cartoon canon? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Starscream&#039;s ghost, the Nemesis, Energon (Shockwave built an Energon making machine once in the comic, but after Bumblebee blasted it, Energon was never brought up again so...), Megatron becoming Galvatron...&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::The energy siphon came up quite regularly in the UK comics.  Primus, Unicron, gods not Primacron...&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Bob and Larry always intended it to be a &#039;&#039;new&#039;&#039; continuity that blended the elements of both cartoon and comic.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Doesn&#039;t Magnaboss or his components appear in [[Homecoming (Universe)|Universe #3]]? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 13:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If they do, the I think questions that arise are: 1) are they an alternate reality version (it is Universe after all) and 2) is there anything in the portrayle there that specifically contridicts/prevents them being the G1 characters then too. If not then the pages still need to be merged, I&#039;d say. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Here we are: [[Maximal High Council]]. So, no, not alternate universe. But no details on &amp;quot;G1 or not&amp;quot;, I&#039;m sure. Should there be any thought given about Magnaboss&#039; two appearances being from conflicting continuities (3H&#039;s comics vs. IDW&#039;s Beast Wars comics)? IDW says they&#039;re G1, but IDW conflicts with 3H on many other things. Just a though. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Your opinion doesn&#039;t matter==&lt;br /&gt;
Unfortunately, no matter how stupid certain revalations about the new BW series are, it&#039;s happening. The wiki isn&#039;t a discussion forum... we&#039;ll give boatloads of leeway when it comes to random thoughts being put on talk pages, but really, this isn&#039;t the place for heated debate about news. And anonymous user is correct; when the series actually comes out, we&#039;ll have to merge the Magnaboss component character pages. As it stands now, it&#039;s a non-issue. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Split?==&lt;br /&gt;
Could someone create a separate toy page? It&#039;s about time, but I&#039;m not sure how to do it properly. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:38, 7 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobot Insignia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It appears to be based off of Prowl&#039;s head. No, seriously, take a look. And I think we should make a note of this. [[Special:Contributions/156.3.149.15|156.3.149.15]] 15:58, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not really, no. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:13, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s already mentioned on [[Insignia]] --[[User:HotAndCold|HotAndCold]] 16:42, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, this is not new information.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:57, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The note about Soundwave and the Decepticon symbol is on his page, so I could see the desire for this page to parallel it. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:00, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Big quote/picture overlap ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone else see the big quote and the top picture overlapping? Or is it some glitch on my end? If it is real, how can we fix it? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:13, 19 May 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Changed bigquote to quote and it works fine now. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:32, 21 May 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== IDW chronology ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought i would ask before there would be some editing, but I think Prowl&#039;s actions in LSOTW#4 happens in between Spotlight: Prowl and For All Mankind. [[User:Mojotron|Mojotron]] 20:06, 29 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Kreo Class of 1984 Superlatives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m unconvinced that Prowl&#039;s superlative has somehow been switched with Shockwave&#039;s. &amp;quot;Logic&amp;quot; is a term that could apply to either. Conversely, &amp;quot;Best Optics&amp;quot; (a play on &amp;quot;best eyes&amp;quot;), would appear to be a joke on Shockwave&#039;s face.&lt;br /&gt;
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More importantly, Prowl&#039;s [http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-autobot-cars-Prowl/177/|1984 toy bio] does &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; actually include any reference regarding trajectory tracking. (It &#039;&#039;does&#039;&#039; read &amp;quot;has most sophisticated logic center of all the Autobots.&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Randomus|Randomus]] ([[User talk:Randomus|talk]]) 12:12, 11 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The versions printed on the boxes were extracted from longer versions. The fuller version published in [[The Transformers Universe]] (see here: https://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&amp;amp;char=Prowl) does include the bit about his eyes.  --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:18, 11 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Inappropriate Caption Jokes ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I feel like the &#039;Kent State&#039; reference is in poor taste. [[User:Ironhide1975|Ironhide1975]] ([[User talk:Ironhide1975|talk]]) 08:50, 1 November 2021 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
:The caption in question has been removed, thank you for letting us know. If you find inappropriate captions of that sort in the future, please feel free to delete them. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:30, 1 November 2021 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Ironhide1975|Ironhide1975]] ([[User talk:Ironhide1975|talk]])&lt;br /&gt;
:Wow! Thank you, I&#039;m impressed that I was able to contribute something positive to the world. While we&#039;re along these lines, I don&#039;t know why Prowl is considered a Prick. I had the original Prowl G1 toy and my father was a cop so as a kid, I looked up to Prowl and even cried in the theater when he died in the movie. While I&#039;m not as familiar with the comics versions, I would recommend adjusting this page to something a bit nicer and more pallettable.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;I am all for having an entry that consists entirely of &amp;quot;OUR MISSILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot;, but is the bold really neccessary? It makes it look like a header. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 02:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Trivia says: &#039;&#039;At OTFCC 2004 that there was no Prowl Alternator in the works&#039;&#039;.  I&#039;m assumignt here&#039;s suppsoed ot be a &amp;quot;_____ stated&amp;quot; int here someplace.  Who stated?  Hasbro?  Aaron Archer?  Hooper-X?  (I could see Hooper wanting to disappoint a room full of Transfans.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought the Prowl2 line was just a joke.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Past Tense? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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We probably need a policy statement somewhere (or at least somewhere I can find it) as to whether fictional events are described in present tense (as in the Wikipedia), in past tense (as preferred by at least one of our mods), or in whichever the writer prefers. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Apparently I&#039;m no good at keeping track of tense, so people sometimes chastise me after I&#039;ve filled in the fiction sections. Of course, I didn&#039;t even know we had a policy. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, apparently we do need a summary of what tense to use where, &#039;cuz I can&#039;t find anything like that.  But to sum up -- Introductory paragraph in present tense, fiction in past tense.  Basically, &amp;quot;This is who the character IS, this is what the character DID.&amp;quot;  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do we have a consensus on that, or are you speaking &#039;&#039;ex moderata?&#039;&#039;  And, how does this apply to non-character pages, like synopses of comics?  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I&#039;d say it&#039;s a consensus, as I believe most of the top-contributers write the pages in that way.  (For a while, [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] was our &amp;quot;this is how you do a page&amp;quot; project, though it&#039;s likely out of date by now for some new developments...)  For non-character pages like episode or comic summaries, I&#039;d suggest present tense.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve actually read enough summary pages close enough to say if they&#039;re being written in mostly one tense or the other... but &amp;quot;present&amp;quot; is my off-the-cuff preference.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Most of what we write is past tense, especially when summarizing fiction.  It doesn&#039;t matter whether it&#039;s a character page or an episode/issue page.  -- [[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Walky&#039;s rationale makes sense to me, and I agree with Steve that it should apply to episode/issue pages.  A story summary is a story summary, and summaries are written by definition after something has happened. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::See, I&#039;d vote for present tense on the comic/episode summary pages, but past tense when summarizing fiction on character/object/location pages. In the case of the latter, that&#039;s the &amp;quot;Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe&amp;quot;-reader in me - it&#039;s the character&#039;s whole &#039;&#039;history&#039;&#039;, as in, what has gone before, so it should be past tense. But when specifically summarizing one, small, condensed piece of fiction, there&#039;s that rule of thumb Wikipedia uses that says to use present tense &amp;quot;as this is the way that the story is experienced as it is read or viewed.&amp;quot; - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I find the present tense in story summaries to be a laudable goal-- but often difficult to accomplish.  The past tense is more friendly to omniscient narration (because you&#039;re looking back on things) and I would have found it vexing to summarize, say, [[The Magnificent Six!]]. in the present-tense while reflecting the narrative ignorance that&#039;s central to its slowly revealed backstory. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Resetting the indents...) It&#039;s news to me that Wikipedia perfers present tense for summaries.  Personally, I think that present tense reporting sounds amateurish.  Compare the present Dreamwave text:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Prowl was an Autobot from Praxus. After the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock called him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, where he declared that if the new Prime was insufficient, they would take control of the Autobot military. Prowl was present at the ceremony when Optronix became Optimus Prime, and was restrained by Grimlock when Prime was attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
To a present-tense rewrite:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Prowl is an Autobot from Praxus. After the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock calls him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, where he declares that if the new Prime is insufficient, they will take control of the Autobot military. Prowl is present at the ceremony when Optronix becomes Optimus Prime, and is restrained by Grimlock when Prime is attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
Granted, I could rewrite a little bit to make it more elegant...&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|The Autobot Prowl calls Praxus his home.  Upon the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock summons him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, and declares that if the new Prime is insufficient, they will take control of the Autobot military. Later, Prowl attends the ceremony in which Optronix becomes Optimus Prime, and is restrained by Grimlock when Prime is attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
...but I still think that sounds like it was written by a 12 year old.  The past-tense version is more professional and authoritative. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;It&#039;s news to me that Wikipedia perfers present tense for summaries.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s specified here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28writing_about_fiction%29 Writing About Fiction], under &amp;quot;Contextual presentation&amp;quot;.  I disagree about it sounding amateurish.  [[User:JW|JW]] 00:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Wiki&#039;s insistence on present tense is part of it&#039;s &amp;quot;do not ever ever write in-universe on pain of fucking death&amp;quot; approach. To write a summary of the life and activities of a real person, you write in past tense - so since we write in-universe here, as though these were &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; characters, past tense is appropriate. But when you&#039;re writing a summary of a single episode or comic, on it&#039;s own page, where you acknowledge that it&#039;s fiction, present tense flows better, I think. It&#039;s &amp;quot;coming alive,&amp;quot; in the here and now, as it were. I don&#039;t know about anyone else, but when I write a summary, I&#039;ve got the episode or comic in front of me, and go through it. It&#039;s actually &amp;quot;happening&amp;quot; in front of me as the summary is created, hence, present tense. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Earthforce ==&lt;br /&gt;
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With Earthforce being in a separate timeline section, should flashbacks from Earthforce that supposedly take place back during the regular UK run (like Prowl&#039;s encounter with the Battlechargers) be in the main body of the Marvel timeline or just in the Earthforce section?--[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 03:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That&#039;s something I&#039;ve wrestled with.  They could be considered retroactive additions to canon &amp;quot;before&amp;quot; the timeline split off, or... I dunno.  I can see it both ways.  I just worry that segregating the flashback material from the context in which they happened is unnecessarily confusing.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Reprolabels? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Given the minor edit war here over whether to include mention of the Reprolabels set available for the Alternators toys, should we cut &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; mention of Reprolabels from the wiki?  It&#039;s mentioned on five other pages.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Reprolabels is pretty clearly Not Official.  They probably shouldn&#039;t be on the Wiki at all.  If they are, they should be either on the [[Fandom]] page (I could see mentioning a few sample fandom-based businesses like this, Unicron.com, Justitoys, etc.), or listed in a character&#039;s trivia as a response to any outstanding fan controversy surrounding a particular toy -- but that&#039;s a very slippery slope, and I&#039;m pretty sure other folks around here would just say Not Official is the whole story, fullstop. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, especially this particular invocation of Reprolabels is against our policies here.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Universe Prowl Picture? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How come there isn&#039;t a piccie for Universe (2008) Prowl? Shouldn&#039;t there be an official photograph &#039;&#039;somewheres&#039;&#039;? Or is Prowl that much of a prick that he doesn&#039;t want a pic of his newest figure to be displayed? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 11:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I dunno.  Probably no one&#039;s done it yet.  We &#039;&#039;do&#039;&#039; have 22 years of back material to catch up on you know.  Has Hasbro put out official pics? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I thought they did. Buggered if I know where they are. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 11:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Prowl (Magnaboss)==&lt;br /&gt;
Page needs deleating. Furman has said he&#039;s established as G1 Prowl in the upcomming IDW BW mini. Same for the other Magnaboss components and their G1 counterparts.&lt;br /&gt;
: God DAMMIT Furman...&lt;br /&gt;
:: Is there some way to completely remove Furman from Transformers without doing actual physical harm to him? :( --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Honestly don&#039;t see what the big deal is. This guy and his compatriots had ZERO personality anywhere ever, and have long been speculated by fans to be their G1 counterparts, asspecially with the assumed leadership role as counterpart to Tripredacus. I&#039;d a thousand times rather have them be their G1 selves and hence ACTUAL CHARACTERS, than remain blank slates for an eternity.  As for Furman he&#039;s been doing SPECTACULAR work on the regular IDW books. He&#039;s as strong or stronger than he&#039;s ever been IMO.&lt;br /&gt;
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We&#039;ll see what else comes down the pike before deleting. Also, I like the false choice you present -- that they can EITHER be the G1 guys OR they can be nobodies forever.  Because clearly, making them NEW guys who are &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; GEEWUN AGAIN LOOK MORE GEEWUN YOU LIKE GEEWUN RIGHT?! can&#039;t &#039;&#039;possibly&#039;&#039; be an option. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: As long as they give the writing to Furman, &amp;quot;HAY LUK GUYZ IM PROWL FROM GEEWUN&amp;quot; is the most characterization they could get. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::That&#039;s pretty funny since Furman&#039;s pretty much the only guy to ever give Prowl a personality. He was a non-entity in the G1 toon and early comic only furman&#039;s work on the later Marvel book and in IDW have ever brought him to life as the by-the-book Prick everyone loves to hate. &lt;br /&gt;
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:: Do you know of any other non-IDW project pending using these characters? If not, there&#039;s just NO justification for not deleating these. In their only fiction ever they ARE new bodies of the G1 characters. Fictional portrail IS what we base these pages on, right?  If someone else were schedualed to use the characters as seperate beings soon that would be one thing, but giving them seperate pages simply becasue you happen to dislike the fact that they are the G1 folks is totally without merit and against the principles of presenting the facts that this wiki tries to stand by, IMO.&lt;br /&gt;
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::As for the choice bit, no choice was intended. I simply stated that these guys were &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;total non-entities fan-speculated to be G1ers&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; for all the years of their existance and now they &#039;&#039;actually difinitivly G1ers&#039;&#039; and between those two states I find the latter much preferable. Sure they could have been non-G1ers, and that would have been fine too, but they have *always* been likely speculated suspects for surviving Autobots and now it&#039;s simbly been confirmed. It&#039;s not like he made Torca = Ultra Magnus or Bantor = Wreck-gar. It was a very small and acceptable step IMO. If the IDW Profile books come out and are FILLED with G1ers reborn that will be bad, but for these three it&#039;s rather appropriate and fitting I&#039;d say.&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s not about prowl and co &#039;&#039;per se&#039;&#039;, it&#039;s about the fact that the autobots are supposed to be &#039;&#039;&#039;gone&#039;&#039;&#039; or &#039;&#039;&#039;extremely rare&#039;&#039;&#039; in BW-era.  But &#039;&#039;&#039;every single&#039;&#039;&#039; comic book, or convention story dealing with the BW era has introduced G1 characters int he Beast Era.  Scads of them.  Soon they will out number the actual Beast Warriors.  (I&#039;m not joking, it was only 3 years of a fairly limited assortment with lots of repeat characters.)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Beast Wars entire &#039;&#039;&#039;thing&#039;&#039;&#039; that makes it unique is that G1 is &#039;&#039;over&#039;&#039; and thsoe characters are &#039;&#039;gone.&#039;&#039;  But the first thing &#039;&#039;any&#039;&#039; writer does, given a chance to mess with the Beast Era, is introduce more G1 characters.&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s like you give a small child with no self-restraint a marshmellow and tell them &amp;quot;Now, the only thing you must remember is &#039;&#039;do not masturbate on the marshmallow.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;  And the idea &#039;&#039;consumes&#039;&#039; them, and the next thing you know they&#039;re jerking off.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Nothing against G1?  We&#039;d just prefer BW wasn&#039;t &#039;&#039;quite&#039;&#039; so sticky with fanwank. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Besides, considering Beast Wars is G1 cartoon canon (Starscream dies in 2005, Nemesis, etc.), shouldn&#039;t Prowl and Ironhide be, I dunno.... &#039;&#039;dead&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Who says its cartoon canon? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Starscream&#039;s ghost, the Nemesis, Energon (Shockwave built an Energon making machine once in the comic, but after Bumblebee blasted it, Energon was never brought up again so...), Megatron becoming Galvatron...&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::The energy siphon came up quite regularly in the UK comics.  Primus, Unicron, gods not Primacron...&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Bob and Larry always intended it to be a &#039;&#039;new&#039;&#039; continuity that blended the elements of both cartoon and comic.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Doesn&#039;t Magnaboss or his components appear in [[Homecoming (Universe)|Universe #3]]? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 13:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If they do, the I think questions that arise are: 1) are they an alternate reality version (it is Universe after all) and 2) is there anything in the portrayle there that specifically contridicts/prevents them being the G1 characters then too. If not then the pages still need to be merged, I&#039;d say. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Here we are: [[Maximal High Council]]. So, no, not alternate universe. But no details on &amp;quot;G1 or not&amp;quot;, I&#039;m sure. Should there be any thought given about Magnaboss&#039; two appearances being from conflicting continuities (3H&#039;s comics vs. IDW&#039;s Beast Wars comics)? IDW says they&#039;re G1, but IDW conflicts with 3H on many other things. Just a though. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Your opinion doesn&#039;t matter==&lt;br /&gt;
Unfortunately, no matter how stupid certain revalations about the new BW series are, it&#039;s happening. The wiki isn&#039;t a discussion forum... we&#039;ll give boatloads of leeway when it comes to random thoughts being put on talk pages, but really, this isn&#039;t the place for heated debate about news. And anonymous user is correct; when the series actually comes out, we&#039;ll have to merge the Magnaboss component character pages. As it stands now, it&#039;s a non-issue. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Split?==&lt;br /&gt;
Could someone create a separate toy page? It&#039;s about time, but I&#039;m not sure how to do it properly. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:38, 7 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobot Insignia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It appears to be based off of Prowl&#039;s head. No, seriously, take a look. And I think we should make a note of this. [[Special:Contributions/156.3.149.15|156.3.149.15]] 15:58, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not really, no. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:13, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s already mentioned on [[Insignia]] --[[User:HotAndCold|HotAndCold]] 16:42, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, this is not new information.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:57, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The note about Soundwave and the Decepticon symbol is on his page, so I could see the desire for this page to parallel it. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:00, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Big quote/picture overlap ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone else see the big quote and the top picture overlapping? Or is it some glitch on my end? If it is real, how can we fix it? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:13, 19 May 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Changed bigquote to quote and it works fine now. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:32, 21 May 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== IDW chronology ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought i would ask before there would be some editing, but I think Prowl&#039;s actions in LSOTW#4 happens in between Spotlight: Prowl and For All Mankind. [[User:Mojotron|Mojotron]] 20:06, 29 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Kreo Class of 1984 Superlatives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m unconvinced that Prowl&#039;s superlative has somehow been switched with Shockwave&#039;s. &amp;quot;Logic&amp;quot; is a term that could apply to either. Conversely, &amp;quot;Best Optics&amp;quot; (a play on &amp;quot;best eyes&amp;quot;), would appear to be a joke on Shockwave&#039;s face.&lt;br /&gt;
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More importantly, Prowl&#039;s [http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-autobot-cars-Prowl/177/|1984 toy bio] does &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; actually include any reference regarding trajectory tracking. (It &#039;&#039;does&#039;&#039; read &amp;quot;has most sophisticated logic center of all the Autobots.&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Randomus|Randomus]] ([[User talk:Randomus|talk]]) 12:12, 11 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The versions printed on the boxes were extracted from longer versions. The fuller version published in [[The Transformers Universe]] (see here: https://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&amp;amp;char=Prowl) does include the bit about his eyes.  --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:18, 11 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Inappropriate Caption Jokes ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I feel like the &#039;Kent State&#039; reference is in poor taste. [[User:Ironhide1975|Ironhide1975]] ([[User talk:Ironhide1975|talk]]) 08:50, 1 November 2021 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
:The caption in question has been removed, thank you for letting us know. If you find inappropriate captions of that sort in the future, please feel free to delete them. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:30, 1 November 2021 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
--Wow! Thank you, I&#039;m impressed that I was able to contribute something positive to the world. While we&#039;re along these lines, I don&#039;t know why Prowl is considered a Prick. I had the original Prowl G1 toy and my father was a cop so as a kid, I looked up to Prowl and even cried in the theater when he died in the movie. While I&#039;m not as familiar with the comics versions, I would recommend adjusting this page to something a bit nicer and more pallettable. [[User:Ironhide1975|Ironhide1975]] ([[User talk:Ironhide1975|talk]])&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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My name is &#039;&#039;&#039;ironhide1975&#039;&#039;&#039; and I am from Columbus Ohio. I&#039;ve been a Transformers fan since the age of 8. I was around during G1. It was a great time to be a kid. &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Quick facts about me:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*My first &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; toys was Trailbreaker and Prowl.&lt;br /&gt;
*I created my one version of Transformers called The Zapbots.&lt;br /&gt;
*I play keyboards in several progressive rock bands&lt;br /&gt;
*I did the [[Tformers.com]] Podcast with ZePiper for a short time.&lt;br /&gt;
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==My personal links==&lt;br /&gt;
*You can find my Zapbots here &#039;&#039;&#039;[https://zapbots.com]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*You can find my Music here &#039;&#039;&#039;[https://anthonyanselmo.com]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*You can find me on MeWe &#039;&#039;&#039;[https://mewe.com/i/anthonyanselmo1]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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My name is &#039;&#039;&#039;ironhide1975&#039;&#039;&#039; and I am from Columbus Ohio. I&#039;ve been a Transformers fan since the age of 8. I was around during G1. It was a great time to be a kid. &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Quick facts about me:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*My first &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; toys was Trailbreaker and Prowl.&lt;br /&gt;
*I created my one version of Transformers called The Zapbots.&lt;br /&gt;
*I play keyboards in several progressive rock bands&lt;br /&gt;
*I am an artist and occasional writer.&lt;br /&gt;
*I did the Tformers.com podcast for a short time.&lt;br /&gt;
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==My personal links==&lt;br /&gt;
*You can find my Zapbots here &#039;&#039;&#039;[https://zapbots.com]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*You can find my Music here &#039;&#039;&#039;[https://anthonyanselmo.com]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*You can find me on MeWe &#039;&#039;&#039;[https://mewe.com/i/anthonyanselmo1]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I am all for having an entry that consists entirely of &amp;quot;OUR MISSILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot;, but is the bold really neccessary? It makes it look like a header. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 02:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Trivia says: &#039;&#039;At OTFCC 2004 that there was no Prowl Alternator in the works&#039;&#039;.  I&#039;m assumignt here&#039;s suppsoed ot be a &amp;quot;_____ stated&amp;quot; int here someplace.  Who stated?  Hasbro?  Aaron Archer?  Hooper-X?  (I could see Hooper wanting to disappoint a room full of Transfans.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought the Prowl2 line was just a joke.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Past Tense? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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We probably need a policy statement somewhere (or at least somewhere I can find it) as to whether fictional events are described in present tense (as in the Wikipedia), in past tense (as preferred by at least one of our mods), or in whichever the writer prefers. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Apparently I&#039;m no good at keeping track of tense, so people sometimes chastise me after I&#039;ve filled in the fiction sections. Of course, I didn&#039;t even know we had a policy. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, apparently we do need a summary of what tense to use where, &#039;cuz I can&#039;t find anything like that.  But to sum up -- Introductory paragraph in present tense, fiction in past tense.  Basically, &amp;quot;This is who the character IS, this is what the character DID.&amp;quot;  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do we have a consensus on that, or are you speaking &#039;&#039;ex moderata?&#039;&#039;  And, how does this apply to non-character pages, like synopses of comics?  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I&#039;d say it&#039;s a consensus, as I believe most of the top-contributers write the pages in that way.  (For a while, [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] was our &amp;quot;this is how you do a page&amp;quot; project, though it&#039;s likely out of date by now for some new developments...)  For non-character pages like episode or comic summaries, I&#039;d suggest present tense.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve actually read enough summary pages close enough to say if they&#039;re being written in mostly one tense or the other... but &amp;quot;present&amp;quot; is my off-the-cuff preference.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Most of what we write is past tense, especially when summarizing fiction.  It doesn&#039;t matter whether it&#039;s a character page or an episode/issue page.  -- [[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Walky&#039;s rationale makes sense to me, and I agree with Steve that it should apply to episode/issue pages.  A story summary is a story summary, and summaries are written by definition after something has happened. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::See, I&#039;d vote for present tense on the comic/episode summary pages, but past tense when summarizing fiction on character/object/location pages. In the case of the latter, that&#039;s the &amp;quot;Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe&amp;quot;-reader in me - it&#039;s the character&#039;s whole &#039;&#039;history&#039;&#039;, as in, what has gone before, so it should be past tense. But when specifically summarizing one, small, condensed piece of fiction, there&#039;s that rule of thumb Wikipedia uses that says to use present tense &amp;quot;as this is the way that the story is experienced as it is read or viewed.&amp;quot; - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I find the present tense in story summaries to be a laudable goal-- but often difficult to accomplish.  The past tense is more friendly to omniscient narration (because you&#039;re looking back on things) and I would have found it vexing to summarize, say, [[The Magnificent Six!]]. in the present-tense while reflecting the narrative ignorance that&#039;s central to its slowly revealed backstory. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Resetting the indents...) It&#039;s news to me that Wikipedia perfers present tense for summaries.  Personally, I think that present tense reporting sounds amateurish.  Compare the present Dreamwave text:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Prowl was an Autobot from Praxus. After the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock called him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, where he declared that if the new Prime was insufficient, they would take control of the Autobot military. Prowl was present at the ceremony when Optronix became Optimus Prime, and was restrained by Grimlock when Prime was attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
To a present-tense rewrite:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Prowl is an Autobot from Praxus. After the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock calls him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, where he declares that if the new Prime is insufficient, they will take control of the Autobot military. Prowl is present at the ceremony when Optronix becomes Optimus Prime, and is restrained by Grimlock when Prime is attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
Granted, I could rewrite a little bit to make it more elegant...&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|The Autobot Prowl calls Praxus his home.  Upon the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock summons him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, and declares that if the new Prime is insufficient, they will take control of the Autobot military. Later, Prowl attends the ceremony in which Optronix becomes Optimus Prime, and is restrained by Grimlock when Prime is attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
...but I still think that sounds like it was written by a 12 year old.  The past-tense version is more professional and authoritative. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;It&#039;s news to me that Wikipedia perfers present tense for summaries.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s specified here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28writing_about_fiction%29 Writing About Fiction], under &amp;quot;Contextual presentation&amp;quot;.  I disagree about it sounding amateurish.  [[User:JW|JW]] 00:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Wiki&#039;s insistence on present tense is part of it&#039;s &amp;quot;do not ever ever write in-universe on pain of fucking death&amp;quot; approach. To write a summary of the life and activities of a real person, you write in past tense - so since we write in-universe here, as though these were &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; characters, past tense is appropriate. But when you&#039;re writing a summary of a single episode or comic, on it&#039;s own page, where you acknowledge that it&#039;s fiction, present tense flows better, I think. It&#039;s &amp;quot;coming alive,&amp;quot; in the here and now, as it were. I don&#039;t know about anyone else, but when I write a summary, I&#039;ve got the episode or comic in front of me, and go through it. It&#039;s actually &amp;quot;happening&amp;quot; in front of me as the summary is created, hence, present tense. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I feel like the &#039;Kent State&#039; reference is in poor taste. [[User:Ironhide1975|Ironhide1975]] ([[User talk:Ironhide1975|talk]]) 08:50, 1 November 2021 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Earthforce ==&lt;br /&gt;
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With Earthforce being in a separate timeline section, should flashbacks from Earthforce that supposedly take place back during the regular UK run (like Prowl&#039;s encounter with the Battlechargers) be in the main body of the Marvel timeline or just in the Earthforce section?--[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 03:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That&#039;s something I&#039;ve wrestled with.  They could be considered retroactive additions to canon &amp;quot;before&amp;quot; the timeline split off, or... I dunno.  I can see it both ways.  I just worry that segregating the flashback material from the context in which they happened is unnecessarily confusing.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Reprolabels? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Given the minor edit war here over whether to include mention of the Reprolabels set available for the Alternators toys, should we cut &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; mention of Reprolabels from the wiki?  It&#039;s mentioned on five other pages.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Reprolabels is pretty clearly Not Official.  They probably shouldn&#039;t be on the Wiki at all.  If they are, they should be either on the [[Fandom]] page (I could see mentioning a few sample fandom-based businesses like this, Unicron.com, Justitoys, etc.), or listed in a character&#039;s trivia as a response to any outstanding fan controversy surrounding a particular toy -- but that&#039;s a very slippery slope, and I&#039;m pretty sure other folks around here would just say Not Official is the whole story, fullstop. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, especially this particular invocation of Reprolabels is against our policies here.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Universe Prowl Picture? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How come there isn&#039;t a piccie for Universe (2008) Prowl? Shouldn&#039;t there be an official photograph &#039;&#039;somewheres&#039;&#039;? Or is Prowl that much of a prick that he doesn&#039;t want a pic of his newest figure to be displayed? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 11:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I dunno.  Probably no one&#039;s done it yet.  We &#039;&#039;do&#039;&#039; have 22 years of back material to catch up on you know.  Has Hasbro put out official pics? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I thought they did. Buggered if I know where they are. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 11:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Prowl (Magnaboss)==&lt;br /&gt;
Page needs deleating. Furman has said he&#039;s established as G1 Prowl in the upcomming IDW BW mini. Same for the other Magnaboss components and their G1 counterparts.&lt;br /&gt;
: God DAMMIT Furman...&lt;br /&gt;
:: Is there some way to completely remove Furman from Transformers without doing actual physical harm to him? :( --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Honestly don&#039;t see what the big deal is. This guy and his compatriots had ZERO personality anywhere ever, and have long been speculated by fans to be their G1 counterparts, asspecially with the assumed leadership role as counterpart to Tripredacus. I&#039;d a thousand times rather have them be their G1 selves and hence ACTUAL CHARACTERS, than remain blank slates for an eternity.  As for Furman he&#039;s been doing SPECTACULAR work on the regular IDW books. He&#039;s as strong or stronger than he&#039;s ever been IMO.&lt;br /&gt;
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We&#039;ll see what else comes down the pike before deleting. Also, I like the false choice you present -- that they can EITHER be the G1 guys OR they can be nobodies forever.  Because clearly, making them NEW guys who are &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; GEEWUN AGAIN LOOK MORE GEEWUN YOU LIKE GEEWUN RIGHT?! can&#039;t &#039;&#039;possibly&#039;&#039; be an option. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: As long as they give the writing to Furman, &amp;quot;HAY LUK GUYZ IM PROWL FROM GEEWUN&amp;quot; is the most characterization they could get. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::That&#039;s pretty funny since Furman&#039;s pretty much the only guy to ever give Prowl a personality. He was a non-entity in the G1 toon and early comic only furman&#039;s work on the later Marvel book and in IDW have ever brought him to life as the by-the-book Prick everyone loves to hate. &lt;br /&gt;
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:: Do you know of any other non-IDW project pending using these characters? If not, there&#039;s just NO justification for not deleating these. In their only fiction ever they ARE new bodies of the G1 characters. Fictional portrail IS what we base these pages on, right?  If someone else were schedualed to use the characters as seperate beings soon that would be one thing, but giving them seperate pages simply becasue you happen to dislike the fact that they are the G1 folks is totally without merit and against the principles of presenting the facts that this wiki tries to stand by, IMO.&lt;br /&gt;
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::As for the choice bit, no choice was intended. I simply stated that these guys were &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;total non-entities fan-speculated to be G1ers&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; for all the years of their existance and now they &#039;&#039;actually difinitivly G1ers&#039;&#039; and between those two states I find the latter much preferable. Sure they could have been non-G1ers, and that would have been fine too, but they have *always* been likely speculated suspects for surviving Autobots and now it&#039;s simbly been confirmed. It&#039;s not like he made Torca = Ultra Magnus or Bantor = Wreck-gar. It was a very small and acceptable step IMO. If the IDW Profile books come out and are FILLED with G1ers reborn that will be bad, but for these three it&#039;s rather appropriate and fitting I&#039;d say.&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s not about prowl and co &#039;&#039;per se&#039;&#039;, it&#039;s about the fact that the autobots are supposed to be &#039;&#039;&#039;gone&#039;&#039;&#039; or &#039;&#039;&#039;extremely rare&#039;&#039;&#039; in BW-era.  But &#039;&#039;&#039;every single&#039;&#039;&#039; comic book, or convention story dealing with the BW era has introduced G1 characters int he Beast Era.  Scads of them.  Soon they will out number the actual Beast Warriors.  (I&#039;m not joking, it was only 3 years of a fairly limited assortment with lots of repeat characters.)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Beast Wars entire &#039;&#039;&#039;thing&#039;&#039;&#039; that makes it unique is that G1 is &#039;&#039;over&#039;&#039; and thsoe characters are &#039;&#039;gone.&#039;&#039;  But the first thing &#039;&#039;any&#039;&#039; writer does, given a chance to mess with the Beast Era, is introduce more G1 characters.&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s like you give a small child with no self-restraint a marshmellow and tell them &amp;quot;Now, the only thing you must remember is &#039;&#039;do not masturbate on the marshmallow.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;  And the idea &#039;&#039;consumes&#039;&#039; them, and the next thing you know they&#039;re jerking off.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Nothing against G1?  We&#039;d just prefer BW wasn&#039;t &#039;&#039;quite&#039;&#039; so sticky with fanwank. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Besides, considering Beast Wars is G1 cartoon canon (Starscream dies in 2005, Nemesis, etc.), shouldn&#039;t Prowl and Ironhide be, I dunno.... &#039;&#039;dead&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Who says its cartoon canon? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Starscream&#039;s ghost, the Nemesis, Energon (Shockwave built an Energon making machine once in the comic, but after Bumblebee blasted it, Energon was never brought up again so...), Megatron becoming Galvatron...&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::The energy siphon came up quite regularly in the UK comics.  Primus, Unicron, gods not Primacron...&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Bob and Larry always intended it to be a &#039;&#039;new&#039;&#039; continuity that blended the elements of both cartoon and comic.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Doesn&#039;t Magnaboss or his components appear in [[Homecoming (Universe)|Universe #3]]? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 13:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If they do, the I think questions that arise are: 1) are they an alternate reality version (it is Universe after all) and 2) is there anything in the portrayle there that specifically contridicts/prevents them being the G1 characters then too. If not then the pages still need to be merged, I&#039;d say. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Here we are: [[Maximal High Council]]. So, no, not alternate universe. But no details on &amp;quot;G1 or not&amp;quot;, I&#039;m sure. Should there be any thought given about Magnaboss&#039; two appearances being from conflicting continuities (3H&#039;s comics vs. IDW&#039;s Beast Wars comics)? IDW says they&#039;re G1, but IDW conflicts with 3H on many other things. Just a though. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Your opinion doesn&#039;t matter==&lt;br /&gt;
Unfortunately, no matter how stupid certain revalations about the new BW series are, it&#039;s happening. The wiki isn&#039;t a discussion forum... we&#039;ll give boatloads of leeway when it comes to random thoughts being put on talk pages, but really, this isn&#039;t the place for heated debate about news. And anonymous user is correct; when the series actually comes out, we&#039;ll have to merge the Magnaboss component character pages. As it stands now, it&#039;s a non-issue. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Split?==&lt;br /&gt;
Could someone create a separate toy page? It&#039;s about time, but I&#039;m not sure how to do it properly. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:38, 7 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobot Insignia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It appears to be based off of Prowl&#039;s head. No, seriously, take a look. And I think we should make a note of this. [[Special:Contributions/156.3.149.15|156.3.149.15]] 15:58, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not really, no. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:13, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s already mentioned on [[Insignia]] --[[User:HotAndCold|HotAndCold]] 16:42, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, this is not new information.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:57, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The note about Soundwave and the Decepticon symbol is on his page, so I could see the desire for this page to parallel it. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:00, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Big quote/picture overlap ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone else see the big quote and the top picture overlapping? Or is it some glitch on my end? If it is real, how can we fix it? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:13, 19 May 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Changed bigquote to quote and it works fine now. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:32, 21 May 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== IDW chronology ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought i would ask before there would be some editing, but I think Prowl&#039;s actions in LSOTW#4 happens in between Spotlight: Prowl and For All Mankind. [[User:Mojotron|Mojotron]] 20:06, 29 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Kreo Class of 1984 Superlatives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m unconvinced that Prowl&#039;s superlative has somehow been switched with Shockwave&#039;s. &amp;quot;Logic&amp;quot; is a term that could apply to either. Conversely, &amp;quot;Best Optics&amp;quot; (a play on &amp;quot;best eyes&amp;quot;), would appear to be a joke on Shockwave&#039;s face.&lt;br /&gt;
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More importantly, Prowl&#039;s [http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-autobot-cars-Prowl/177/|1984 toy bio] does &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; actually include any reference regarding trajectory tracking. (It &#039;&#039;does&#039;&#039; read &amp;quot;has most sophisticated logic center of all the Autobots.&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The versions printed on the boxes were extracted from longer versions. The fuller version published in [[The Transformers Universe]] (see here: https://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&amp;amp;char=Prowl) does include the bit about his eyes.  --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:18, 11 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;I am all for having an entry that consists entirely of &amp;quot;OUR MISSILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot;, but is the bold really neccessary? It makes it look like a header. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 02:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Trivia says: &#039;&#039;At OTFCC 2004 that there was no Prowl Alternator in the works&#039;&#039;.  I&#039;m assumignt here&#039;s suppsoed ot be a &amp;quot;_____ stated&amp;quot; int here someplace.  Who stated?  Hasbro?  Aaron Archer?  Hooper-X?  (I could see Hooper wanting to disappoint a room full of Transfans.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Past Tense? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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We probably need a policy statement somewhere (or at least somewhere I can find it) as to whether fictional events are described in present tense (as in the Wikipedia), in past tense (as preferred by at least one of our mods), or in whichever the writer prefers. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Apparently I&#039;m no good at keeping track of tense, so people sometimes chastise me after I&#039;ve filled in the fiction sections. Of course, I didn&#039;t even know we had a policy. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, apparently we do need a summary of what tense to use where, &#039;cuz I can&#039;t find anything like that.  But to sum up -- Introductory paragraph in present tense, fiction in past tense.  Basically, &amp;quot;This is who the character IS, this is what the character DID.&amp;quot;  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do we have a consensus on that, or are you speaking &#039;&#039;ex moderata?&#039;&#039;  And, how does this apply to non-character pages, like synopses of comics?  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I&#039;d say it&#039;s a consensus, as I believe most of the top-contributers write the pages in that way.  (For a while, [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] was our &amp;quot;this is how you do a page&amp;quot; project, though it&#039;s likely out of date by now for some new developments...)  For non-character pages like episode or comic summaries, I&#039;d suggest present tense.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve actually read enough summary pages close enough to say if they&#039;re being written in mostly one tense or the other... but &amp;quot;present&amp;quot; is my off-the-cuff preference.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Most of what we write is past tense, especially when summarizing fiction.  It doesn&#039;t matter whether it&#039;s a character page or an episode/issue page.  -- [[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Walky&#039;s rationale makes sense to me, and I agree with Steve that it should apply to episode/issue pages.  A story summary is a story summary, and summaries are written by definition after something has happened. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::See, I&#039;d vote for present tense on the comic/episode summary pages, but past tense when summarizing fiction on character/object/location pages. In the case of the latter, that&#039;s the &amp;quot;Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe&amp;quot;-reader in me - it&#039;s the character&#039;s whole &#039;&#039;history&#039;&#039;, as in, what has gone before, so it should be past tense. But when specifically summarizing one, small, condensed piece of fiction, there&#039;s that rule of thumb Wikipedia uses that says to use present tense &amp;quot;as this is the way that the story is experienced as it is read or viewed.&amp;quot; - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I find the present tense in story summaries to be a laudable goal-- but often difficult to accomplish.  The past tense is more friendly to omniscient narration (because you&#039;re looking back on things) and I would have found it vexing to summarize, say, [[The Magnificent Six!]]. in the present-tense while reflecting the narrative ignorance that&#039;s central to its slowly revealed backstory. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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(Resetting the indents...) It&#039;s news to me that Wikipedia perfers present tense for summaries.  Personally, I think that present tense reporting sounds amateurish.  Compare the present Dreamwave text:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Prowl was an Autobot from Praxus. After the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock called him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, where he declared that if the new Prime was insufficient, they would take control of the Autobot military. Prowl was present at the ceremony when Optronix became Optimus Prime, and was restrained by Grimlock when Prime was attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
To a present-tense rewrite:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Prowl is an Autobot from Praxus. After the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock calls him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, where he declares that if the new Prime is insufficient, they will take control of the Autobot military. Prowl is present at the ceremony when Optronix becomes Optimus Prime, and is restrained by Grimlock when Prime is attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
Granted, I could rewrite a little bit to make it more elegant...&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|The Autobot Prowl calls Praxus his home.  Upon the death of Sentinel Prime, Grimlock summons him, Jazz, and others to the ruins of Praxus, and declares that if the new Prime is insufficient, they will take control of the Autobot military. Later, Prowl attends the ceremony in which Optronix becomes Optimus Prime, and is restrained by Grimlock when Prime is attacked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
...but I still think that sounds like it was written by a 12 year old.  The past-tense version is more professional and authoritative. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:16, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It&#039;s specified here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28writing_about_fiction%29 Writing About Fiction], under &amp;quot;Contextual presentation&amp;quot;.  I disagree about it sounding amateurish.  [[User:JW|JW]] 00:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Wiki&#039;s insistence on present tense is part of it&#039;s &amp;quot;do not ever ever write in-universe on pain of fucking death&amp;quot; approach. To write a summary of the life and activities of a real person, you write in past tense - so since we write in-universe here, as though these were &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; characters, past tense is appropriate. But when you&#039;re writing a summary of a single episode or comic, on it&#039;s own page, where you acknowledge that it&#039;s fiction, present tense flows better, I think. It&#039;s &amp;quot;coming alive,&amp;quot; in the here and now, as it were. I don&#039;t know about anyone else, but when I write a summary, I&#039;ve got the episode or comic in front of me, and go through it. It&#039;s actually &amp;quot;happening&amp;quot; in front of me as the summary is created, hence, present tense. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Earthforce ==&lt;br /&gt;
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With Earthforce being in a separate timeline section, should flashbacks from Earthforce that supposedly take place back during the regular UK run (like Prowl&#039;s encounter with the Battlechargers) be in the main body of the Marvel timeline or just in the Earthforce section?--[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 03:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That&#039;s something I&#039;ve wrestled with.  They could be considered retroactive additions to canon &amp;quot;before&amp;quot; the timeline split off, or... I dunno.  I can see it both ways.  I just worry that segregating the flashback material from the context in which they happened is unnecessarily confusing.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Reprolabels? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Given the minor edit war here over whether to include mention of the Reprolabels set available for the Alternators toys, should we cut &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; mention of Reprolabels from the wiki?  It&#039;s mentioned on five other pages.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Reprolabels is pretty clearly Not Official.  They probably shouldn&#039;t be on the Wiki at all.  If they are, they should be either on the [[Fandom]] page (I could see mentioning a few sample fandom-based businesses like this, Unicron.com, Justitoys, etc.), or listed in a character&#039;s trivia as a response to any outstanding fan controversy surrounding a particular toy -- but that&#039;s a very slippery slope, and I&#039;m pretty sure other folks around here would just say Not Official is the whole story, fullstop. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, especially this particular invocation of Reprolabels is against our policies here.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Universe Prowl Picture? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How come there isn&#039;t a piccie for Universe (2008) Prowl? Shouldn&#039;t there be an official photograph &#039;&#039;somewheres&#039;&#039;? Or is Prowl that much of a prick that he doesn&#039;t want a pic of his newest figure to be displayed? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 11:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I dunno.  Probably no one&#039;s done it yet.  We &#039;&#039;do&#039;&#039; have 22 years of back material to catch up on you know.  Has Hasbro put out official pics? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I thought they did. Buggered if I know where they are. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 11:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Prowl (Magnaboss)==&lt;br /&gt;
Page needs deleating. Furman has said he&#039;s established as G1 Prowl in the upcomming IDW BW mini. Same for the other Magnaboss components and their G1 counterparts.&lt;br /&gt;
: God DAMMIT Furman...&lt;br /&gt;
:: Is there some way to completely remove Furman from Transformers without doing actual physical harm to him? :( --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Honestly don&#039;t see what the big deal is. This guy and his compatriots had ZERO personality anywhere ever, and have long been speculated by fans to be their G1 counterparts, asspecially with the assumed leadership role as counterpart to Tripredacus. I&#039;d a thousand times rather have them be their G1 selves and hence ACTUAL CHARACTERS, than remain blank slates for an eternity.  As for Furman he&#039;s been doing SPECTACULAR work on the regular IDW books. He&#039;s as strong or stronger than he&#039;s ever been IMO.&lt;br /&gt;
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We&#039;ll see what else comes down the pike before deleting. Also, I like the false choice you present -- that they can EITHER be the G1 guys OR they can be nobodies forever.  Because clearly, making them NEW guys who are &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; GEEWUN AGAIN LOOK MORE GEEWUN YOU LIKE GEEWUN RIGHT?! can&#039;t &#039;&#039;possibly&#039;&#039; be an option. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: As long as they give the writing to Furman, &amp;quot;HAY LUK GUYZ IM PROWL FROM GEEWUN&amp;quot; is the most characterization they could get. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::That&#039;s pretty funny since Furman&#039;s pretty much the only guy to ever give Prowl a personality. He was a non-entity in the G1 toon and early comic only furman&#039;s work on the later Marvel book and in IDW have ever brought him to life as the by-the-book Prick everyone loves to hate. &lt;br /&gt;
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:: Do you know of any other non-IDW project pending using these characters? If not, there&#039;s just NO justification for not deleating these. In their only fiction ever they ARE new bodies of the G1 characters. Fictional portrail IS what we base these pages on, right?  If someone else were schedualed to use the characters as seperate beings soon that would be one thing, but giving them seperate pages simply becasue you happen to dislike the fact that they are the G1 folks is totally without merit and against the principles of presenting the facts that this wiki tries to stand by, IMO.&lt;br /&gt;
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::As for the choice bit, no choice was intended. I simply stated that these guys were &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;total non-entities fan-speculated to be G1ers&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; for all the years of their existance and now they &#039;&#039;actually difinitivly G1ers&#039;&#039; and between those two states I find the latter much preferable. Sure they could have been non-G1ers, and that would have been fine too, but they have *always* been likely speculated suspects for surviving Autobots and now it&#039;s simbly been confirmed. It&#039;s not like he made Torca = Ultra Magnus or Bantor = Wreck-gar. It was a very small and acceptable step IMO. If the IDW Profile books come out and are FILLED with G1ers reborn that will be bad, but for these three it&#039;s rather appropriate and fitting I&#039;d say.&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s not about prowl and co &#039;&#039;per se&#039;&#039;, it&#039;s about the fact that the autobots are supposed to be &#039;&#039;&#039;gone&#039;&#039;&#039; or &#039;&#039;&#039;extremely rare&#039;&#039;&#039; in BW-era.  But &#039;&#039;&#039;every single&#039;&#039;&#039; comic book, or convention story dealing with the BW era has introduced G1 characters int he Beast Era.  Scads of them.  Soon they will out number the actual Beast Warriors.  (I&#039;m not joking, it was only 3 years of a fairly limited assortment with lots of repeat characters.)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Beast Wars entire &#039;&#039;&#039;thing&#039;&#039;&#039; that makes it unique is that G1 is &#039;&#039;over&#039;&#039; and thsoe characters are &#039;&#039;gone.&#039;&#039;  But the first thing &#039;&#039;any&#039;&#039; writer does, given a chance to mess with the Beast Era, is introduce more G1 characters.&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s like you give a small child with no self-restraint a marshmellow and tell them &amp;quot;Now, the only thing you must remember is &#039;&#039;do not masturbate on the marshmallow.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;  And the idea &#039;&#039;consumes&#039;&#039; them, and the next thing you know they&#039;re jerking off.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Nothing against G1?  We&#039;d just prefer BW wasn&#039;t &#039;&#039;quite&#039;&#039; so sticky with fanwank. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Besides, considering Beast Wars is G1 cartoon canon (Starscream dies in 2005, Nemesis, etc.), shouldn&#039;t Prowl and Ironhide be, I dunno.... &#039;&#039;dead&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Who says its cartoon canon? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Starscream&#039;s ghost, the Nemesis, Energon (Shockwave built an Energon making machine once in the comic, but after Bumblebee blasted it, Energon was never brought up again so...), Megatron becoming Galvatron...&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::The energy siphon came up quite regularly in the UK comics.  Primus, Unicron, gods not Primacron...&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Bob and Larry always intended it to be a &#039;&#039;new&#039;&#039; continuity that blended the elements of both cartoon and comic.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Doesn&#039;t Magnaboss or his components appear in [[Homecoming (Universe)|Universe #3]]? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 13:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If they do, the I think questions that arise are: 1) are they an alternate reality version (it is Universe after all) and 2) is there anything in the portrayle there that specifically contridicts/prevents them being the G1 characters then too. If not then the pages still need to be merged, I&#039;d say. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:14, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Here we are: [[Maximal High Council]]. So, no, not alternate universe. But no details on &amp;quot;G1 or not&amp;quot;, I&#039;m sure. Should there be any thought given about Magnaboss&#039; two appearances being from conflicting continuities (3H&#039;s comics vs. IDW&#039;s Beast Wars comics)? IDW says they&#039;re G1, but IDW conflicts with 3H on many other things. Just a though. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Your opinion doesn&#039;t matter==&lt;br /&gt;
Unfortunately, no matter how stupid certain revalations about the new BW series are, it&#039;s happening. The wiki isn&#039;t a discussion forum... we&#039;ll give boatloads of leeway when it comes to random thoughts being put on talk pages, but really, this isn&#039;t the place for heated debate about news. And anonymous user is correct; when the series actually comes out, we&#039;ll have to merge the Magnaboss component character pages. As it stands now, it&#039;s a non-issue. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Split?==&lt;br /&gt;
Could someone create a separate toy page? It&#039;s about time, but I&#039;m not sure how to do it properly. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:38, 7 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobot Insignia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It appears to be based off of Prowl&#039;s head. No, seriously, take a look. And I think we should make a note of this. [[Special:Contributions/156.3.149.15|156.3.149.15]] 15:58, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not really, no. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:13, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s already mentioned on [[Insignia]] --[[User:HotAndCold|HotAndCold]] 16:42, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, this is not new information.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:57, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The note about Soundwave and the Decepticon symbol is on his page, so I could see the desire for this page to parallel it. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:00, 22 April 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Big quote/picture overlap ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Does anyone else see the big quote and the top picture overlapping? Or is it some glitch on my end? If it is real, how can we fix it? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:13, 19 May 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Changed bigquote to quote and it works fine now. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:32, 21 May 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== IDW chronology ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I thought i would ask before there would be some editing, but I think Prowl&#039;s actions in LSOTW#4 happens in between Spotlight: Prowl and For All Mankind. [[User:Mojotron|Mojotron]] 20:06, 29 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Kreo Class of 1984 Superlatives ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m unconvinced that Prowl&#039;s superlative has somehow been switched with Shockwave&#039;s. &amp;quot;Logic&amp;quot; is a term that could apply to either. Conversely, &amp;quot;Best Optics&amp;quot; (a play on &amp;quot;best eyes&amp;quot;), would appear to be a joke on Shockwave&#039;s face.&lt;br /&gt;
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More importantly, Prowl&#039;s [http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-autobot-cars-Prowl/177/|1984 toy bio] does &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; actually include any reference regarding trajectory tracking. (It &#039;&#039;does&#039;&#039; read &amp;quot;has most sophisticated logic center of all the Autobots.&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Randomus|Randomus]] ([[User talk:Randomus|talk]]) 12:12, 11 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The versions printed on the boxes were extracted from longer versions. The fuller version published in [[The Transformers Universe]] (see here: https://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&amp;amp;char=Prowl) does include the bit about his eyes.  --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:18, 11 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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== Sidebar ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Given its imminence and &amp;quot;big deal&amp;quot; status, would it make sense to put [[Unicron: The Darkest Hour]] on the sidebar? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 21:36, 18 March 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe - we don&#039;t usually put miniseries up, but it is likely to be pretty important for the IDW continuity. Now I think of it, we should probably have Cyberverse up there too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:59, 18 March 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::How about Rescue Bots Academy? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:00, 20 March 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s probably a bit early yet. That&#039;s not out until next year. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:46, 20 March 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Actually, it just got moved up to Fall according to [http://www.cynopsis.com/032018-discovery-family-heads-into-upfront-season-with-legacy-kids-brands-cake-boss-spinoff/ Discovery Family&#039;s 2018-2019 upfront]. If we&#039;re gonna add Cyberverse, it might be prudent to add RBA as well. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:26, 21 March 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::That&#039;s pretty fantastic news! Sounds like adding that is reasonable then. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:53, 21 March 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Could we please add links to the GoBots and IDW sister wikis? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:29, 7 May 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Sure, I&#039;ve just added links for them to the main page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:52, 7 May 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think it&#039;d be a good idea to have links to them in the sidebar too - their own subsection under the &amp;quot;current media&amp;quot; section? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:28, 7 May 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Having links in the &amp;quot;Navigation&amp;quot; section that go to entire other websites would not be good, IMHO, as users are not going to expect it. Adding links to other sites in the sidebar is something that needs more of a discussion than it has been given, and also should be run by Walky. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:43, 7 May 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Multiple account abuser ==&lt;br /&gt;
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A not exactly subtle case: [[Special:Contributions/Transformers1001|Transformers1001]] and [[Special:Contributions/TransformersFan1001|TransformersFan1001]]. The two accounts were created the exact same day, make very similar edits (i.e. the kind that have to keep getting reverted), and are never active at the same time. Note that when one account stops making edits, the other starts. Would you please take care of them? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:38, 20 May 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bumblebee (film) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Would you please be so kind as to update the links from &amp;quot;Bumblebee: The Movie&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;[[Bumblebee (film)]]&amp;quot; on the main nav and the [[Live-action film series]] page? Thanks much. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:20, 5 June 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Thank you! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:37, 5 June 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::No problem! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:47, 5 June 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Vandalist? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Polar Prime 12]] keeps copy and pasting a poor fiction section for [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)]] based on his bio. They have been told many times to stop, and their edits are reverted, yet they insist on having their summary on the page. Can you give them a penalty? [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 19:32, 13 July 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:For now, I have dropped an explanation on their talk page as it&#039;s more obvious for them to see than the page edit history. I&#039;d prefer to err on the side of being friendly and making sure they know why they&#039;re being reverted before getting out the ban stick. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:09, 13 July 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Cyberverse ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Could you please unlock the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse cartoon]] article? Locking it made sense months ago when we didn&#039;t know anything and wanted to prevent vandalism, but now that we&#039;re only a few months from launch and details are actually starting to emerge, it makes more sense to re-open it for editing so we can keep up with any new information. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:01, 25 July 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yep, I think it&#039;s OK to unlock it now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:28, 25 July 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Botched move ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If you have the time, could you fix the &amp;quot;KSI Sentry&amp;quot;/&amp;quot;Trax (AOE)&amp;quot; histories? And move &amp;quot;Trax (G1)&amp;quot; to just &amp;quot;Trax&amp;quot;. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:25, 30 July 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I apologize for the inconvenience I created. I wasn&#039;t aware of the issues that would arise from it. [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 13:06, 30 July 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ruined Forever update (NOT content-related) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ve been working on updating instances of inter-wiki linking to remove bare URLs and use the current preferred templates, and I realized there&#039;s a few spots on [[Ruined FOREVER]] that need to be brought up to date. I&#039;m not changing any of the content, but I have put together a new draft in my [[User:Cyberlink420/sandbox-ruin|sandbox]] that uses our &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{w}} and [[tvtropes]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; templates, as well as fixing one of the links to redirect properly. Unfortunately I can&#039;t implement the changes myself since the page is locked; could you please copy-paste the draft onto the article when you get the chance? Thanks much. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:50, 24 August 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I have updated the TVTropes link and the anchor on the Wikipedia like, but I don&#039;t see the point in changing perfectly good Wikipedia links to use a template instead. What&#039;s the advantage there? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:57, 24 August 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Scroll box template ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey, I was wondering if it would be possible to integrate the coding for [https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Scroll_box this template] to here? I want to try out a proposal. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:16, 4 November 2018 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve added the scrollbox class styling they&#039;re using on it. Let me know if you need anything else. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 01:11, 4 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What everybody lacks but me. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was able to add in more information to the Transformers video games, more specifically, the NDS games for the 2007 &amp;amp; ROTF movies, the ROTF PSP game, and the Wii/PS2 version of the ROTF game. I even added in character pages for the Krome-exclusive NPCs, and the playable ROTF DS Transformers. Something that nobody, not even you, were never able to do, because I have the time &amp;amp; energy to do so, all because I did some heavy researching, and thorough analysis. [[User:StormJet|StormJet]] ([[User talk:StormJet|talk]]) 22:29, 5 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Cool, good work! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:52, 5 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:You really need to tone down that passive-aggressiveness. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:09, 5 November 2018 (EST) &lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re lucky, everything I did was unfairly removed. -[[User:MisterKenneth|MisterKenneth]] ([[User talk:MisterKenneth|talk]]) 22:58, 5 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::: From what I can see, you added a toy listing for something that was leaked, and the other one was an addition to the &amp;quot;many deaths of Optimus&amp;quot; page that wasn&#039;t really a death. Hardly unfair. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:09, 5 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: It wasn&#039;t fair. If the toy wasn&#039;t real, I wouldn&#039;t have posted anything about it, but it was clearly real and a planned product. It wasn&#039;t like it was secret North Korean nuke codes or something, it was a prototype on display, clearly it was being revealed and confirmed. Later on, the same user who called me out later took the credit for himself, when I deserve the credit. I do not understand how that on &amp;quot;the many deaths of Optimus Prime&amp;quot; was wrong when 1. There&#039;s a couple of near death mentions on the page 2. The film really built it up like he was going to die and 3. It was the truth. It honestly doesn&#039;t end there, but I don&#039;t feel like digging it all up, but to make it short, I&#039;ve been insulted, called a liar, etc. It really makes me think this place is highly elitist, hypocritical, and unwelcoming of newer users, which is why I&#039;m leaving, but want to put my case to rest before I do. -[[User:MisterKenneth|MisterKenneth]] ([[User talk:MisterKenneth|talk]]) 23:24, 5 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: So you came to an entirely different conversation to bring up your, putting it kindly, imagined unfair treatment. Very mature. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 00:04, 6 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: @MisterKenneth: I hope you&#039;ll understand that there are very good reasons why we don&#039;t list leaked toys here. It&#039;s because if we acknowledge the leaked toy, it will encourage further leaks in future, which is essentially encouraging people to break the law. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:12, 6 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: @Escargon You started by saying that what people did to me was fair. I simply joined in here to tell @Stormjet that he&#039;s lucky he was able to get that cool info in without somebody going after him, which wasn&#039;t the case for me. I didn&#039;t intend on saying anything else. @Abates I don&#039;t understand. How is it a leak if its a confirmed product? I saw people confirm that MPM-7 was a real product going to hit the shelves and online stores, so I have no idea how that&#039;s a leak and illegal. It&#039;s not like I collected that information from some shady spy in a dark alleyway, the image I uploaded of MPM-7 was from I believe either Seibertron or TFW2005, and I saw sources confirming MPM-7&#039;s existence. I was telling the truth. I didn&#039;t come here to spread lies, I&#039;m not that kind of person. -[[User:MisterKenneth|MisterKenneth]] ([[User talk:MisterKenneth|talk]]) 00:54, 6 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::That particular image that was uploaded was a leak, as you can see here: https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/bumblebee-the-movie-masterpiece-movie-vw-beetle-bumblebee-prototype-figure-leaked/40982/ If someone has it displayed somewhere without making it clear that it&#039;s from a leak, then that&#039;s an error on their part, but we still can&#039;t have it on the Wiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 01:05, 6 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::: I most likely got that image and the info from here https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-movie-masterpiece-mpm7-volkswagen-bumblebee/41919/ this article proves the toys existence by going as far as to mention pre-order and release dates. They said that it may not have anything to do with the final toy, but after looking at images of the final toy, I can safely say it had everything to do with it. Would a &amp;quot;leak&amp;quot; as you call it have the kind information seen here? -[[User:MisterKenneth|MisterKenneth]] ([[User talk:MisterKenneth|talk]]) 01:17, 6 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;It exists&amp;quot; is &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; the concern here. The issue is: has it been officially announced? If &#039;&#039;no&#039;&#039;, then it&#039;s a leak, no matter how &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; it is. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:25, 6 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::: Well, I guess there&#039;s not really much else I can say. With that said, I don&#039;t want to continue this discussion, so good day, or night depending on where you&#039;re at. @StormJet I apologize if what I said got your thing here derailed. -[[User:MisterKenneth|MisterKenneth]] ([[User talk:MisterKenneth|talk]]) 01:37, 6 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Re the above conversation, if people are removing your edits repeatedly, then the proper course of action is to talk it out on the talk page in question. I didn&#039;t remove the edits in question, so I can&#039;t give any more insight into their removal than anyone other than the person who did so. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:09, 11 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible use of multiple accounts? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey, would you be so kind as to run an IP check on [[User:‎Kampungpisangadrian]] and make sure they aren’t the same IP as [[User:Memeuser17]]? I know it’s a weird request and I’m probably just being paranoid, but something about the whole thing feels off. Like, Kampung doesn’t make any edits for 8 months, then Memeuser suddenly tries to start something on their talk page unprovoked, and that just HAPPENS to be when Kampung comes back? Like I said, I’m probably just being paranoid and I&#039;ll gladly admit it if I&#039;m wrong, but there’s something weird about the whole thing and I just wanna make sure. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:57, 29 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Those users both edited from the same IP address and with the exact same user agent, so I&#039;m going to go out on a limb here and say they are most likely one and the same person. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:07, 29 November 2018 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Stop assuming they are the same person, please[[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 17:26, 26 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Except that there&#039;s evidence to say they were. Also, [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Knockoff&amp;amp;oldid=1318959 vandalizing] [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Knockoff&amp;amp;oldid=1318960 articles] to make fun of other users (one of whom is an admin) is a real bad look. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:12, 26 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Titan page move ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for moving the Titan page. Could you get the talk page as well? I moved the messages from it onto the Titan (IDW) talk page, so it should be safe to relocate. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:53, 7 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks, done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:53, 7 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Another possible multi-account vandal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey, if you get the chance, could you run an IP check on [[Special:Contributions/Tritusk]] and [[Special:Contributions/Firetrack]]? Both are relatively new, and both are attempting to erase instances of characters dying or inserting claims of &amp;quot;but they were fine&amp;quot;, not unlike the already-banned [[Special:Contributions/StarPlat]]. Would rather nip this in the bud early before they start messing up more pages. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:56, 15 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Tritusk appears to be the same person as [[Special:Contributions/Hipfiree]], which is kinda bizarre because Hipfiree is not banned, (they were banned briefly when we thought they were StarPlat) and in fact edited a few days before they created the Tritusk account. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:32, 15 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Weird. So I guess Firetrack is clean then? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:35, 15 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Firetrack I&#039;m not sure on. It&#039;s possible that they could be Hipfiree but the evidence there isn&#039;t conclusive enough for my liking. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:46, 15 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Fair enough, then. I&#039;ll keep an eye on things just to be safe. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:48, 15 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::[[User:NovaStorm]] also seems to have a bee up their bonnet about changing statements of character deaths. Possible alternate account of one of these guys? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:15, 16 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yep. I&#039;m also more confident about Firetrack than I was yesterday, so I&#039;ve banned that account too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:21, 16 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Wikia to Fandom changeover ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on my cursory research, it seems the migration from Wikia to Fandom is complete, as every Wikia link I&#039;ve tested so far has redirected to the .fandom URL. When you get the chance, could you update the interwiki linking system to point directly to the Fandom URL instead? Also, do we have a full list of wikia sites with their own domains that we support interwiki linking to? I know Memory-Alpha is one of them, but that redirects to a .fandom URL now as well instead of memory-alpha.org, so it wouldn&#039;t hurt to make sure those are up to date too. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:23, 24 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:It looks like there are some which haven&#039;t yet been migrated - e.g. community.wikia.com is still non-migrated. They will probably make an announcement on the staff blog when the migration is finished so once they do that, it should be safer. Our Interwiki for Memory-Alpha points to the .org domain, so so long as that&#039;s still redirecting, we should be all right. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:38, 24 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Based on [[wikia:community:Help:Fandom domain migration#What are the next steps?|this help entry]], it sounds like the changeover to Fandom will be finished by February 4th, so we should be safe to update things after that date. (Side note, do we want to change the prefix to &amp;quot;fandom:&amp;quot; instead of &amp;quot;wikia:&amp;quot;? I don&#039;t mind going in and editing any articles accordingly to update them if we do.). -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:10, 26 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::We can easily just make two prefixes so people can use either wikia: or fandom: depending. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:21, 26 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::This may be a stupid question, but why do you want wikia interwiki links? Even if you want to link out to wikia/&amp;quot;fandom&amp;quot;, interwiki links aren&#039;t nofollow&#039;d (unlike standard external links), so they help wikia&#039;s SEO. (Similar but lesser point about changing existing links from wikia to fandom - or memory-alpha.org to the fandom link - since they redirect anyway) - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 12:00, 26 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I mean, if you&#039;re asking why we&#039;d want to point directly to a page instead of a redirect, that&#039;s just good policy from a web accessibility perspective. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:54, 26 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I don&#039;t believe the SEO impact of us linking to, say, Memory Alpha would be significant. In most cases there&#039;s going to be one or two links on a page with hundreds of links to other TFWiki pages, and any pagerank juice is shared evenly between all of those links so we&#039;re talking about 1/100 of the total from that page. That said, admittedly my knowledge of how Google&#039;s SEO system works may be a little out of date of if anyone has more recent knowledge, feel free to join in this thread! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:09, 26 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sounds like you want to actively hurt Wikia/Fandom. Why should we want to do that? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:14, 26 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Well, they &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; absolutely shitty. There&#039;s multiple reasons we left them so long ago, and they&#039;ve only gotten worse since then. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:10, 26 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::^ What this guy said. Other wikis have quit Wikia too when they hit their breaking points. (And then Wikia bought Gamepedia, where a bunch of wikis went to specifically to *escape* Wikia) - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 11:32, 27 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::Oh, I know all about that. My point probably should have been made clearer. If we really don&#039;t want to help Wikia/Fandom, why link to their sites at all? If, on the other hand, we want to utilize the wikis they host as a resource to help our readers, we should do so with the best formatted links we can use (and not rely on outdated links to continue to redirect). I look at it as us helping the communities hosted there more than the hosting company. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:31, 27 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Yeah, I&#039;m not a fan of Wikia/Fandom either, but I&#039;m looking at it solely from the perspective of good web design practices, i.e. links should point to actual pages instead of redirects. Whether we should have interwiki linking to Wikia/Fandom at all is an entirely separate discussion. (And one that I&#039;m surprised has taken over a decade to have.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:32, 27 January 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Not to restart this whole discussion, but the changeover is long since complete, and our existing interwiki links don&#039;t seem to work anymore on desktop browsers. I really think it&#039;s time we update things on the back end. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:28, 1 May 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thanks, I have updated the interwiki link based on a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map#Wikia,_again discussion on here]. Wikia are really shooting themselves in the foot by not maintaining the original redirects though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:50, 1 May 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You ain&#039;t kidding. Regardless, thanks for the help! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:48, 1 May 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Another spammer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Ethereum Code]] is plainly not here to build an encyclopedia. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 02:49, 4 March 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hopefully once they realize their spam isn&#039;t going to stick, they&#039;ll get lost. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:26, 4 March 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I am clearly still not up to speed after lungpocalypse now and am missing SOMETHING so could you please make it so the usernames are hidden too? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:36, 4 March 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;ve hidden them on the user creation and block logs. So long as we&#039;ve removed the links they added to their sites, we should be OK anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:56, 4 March 2019 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Unable to move page ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was trying to move Powa Pro-kun back to [[Power Pro-kun]], but wasn&#039;t able to because Power Pro still has leftover edit history from before it was moved to Powa Pro, as it wasn&#039;t moved properly due to the move taking place in the middle of the bookworm crash. If it&#039;s not too much trouble, could you please delete the Power Pro page so that I can properly move the Powa Pro content back there? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:41, 5 April 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:All moved. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:50, 5 April 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Much appreciated! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:08, 5 April 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible block evasion ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Could you please run a check to see if [[User:PZAD457]] and [[User:KS7564‎]] are one and the same? Their recent edits would certainly suggest so, but I wanted to be sure. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:16, 18 August 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I couldn&#039;t tell conclusively if they are the same person, sorry. I agree that their recent edits suggest as much though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:49, 18 August 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Issues with moving images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey. So, I&#039;ve been editing on this site for like a good couple years, and recently I&#039;ve started having issues with moving images again, as seen to the right. I dealt with this before but I honest to god forgot how to fix this. Can you help me understand what to do? Thanks. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:38, 26 August 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:That image is a PNG which someone has uploaded as a JPG, so you either need to move it to a png extension or reupload as a jpg. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:52, 26 August 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Identity Error  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey, why have you asked me if I am [[User:RoboWarriorPrime]]? Have I done something wrong? [[User:Grievous Prime|--Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 08:30, 30 August 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possible use of multiple accounts ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that [[User:Grievous Prime]] and [[User:Thetransformersmorethanmeetstheeye]] may be the same person. Both have edited [[User talk:Cyberlink420/Archive1]] to ask questions. This is a strange behavior that seems unlikely to happen with multiple people.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:38, 18 September 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Not so far as I can tell! I&#039;m reasonably confident they&#039;re not the same person. Maybe they followed the link from Cyberlink420&#039;s talk page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:44, 18 September 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Okay. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:46, 18 September 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Did anything come of the check regarding whether one of them was RoboWarriorPrime? I remember you suspected that for a bit. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:38, 18 September 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::The check was inconclusive, so I&#039;m giving them the benefit of the doubt. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:06, 18 September 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Cyberlink420, I hope you didn&#039;t mind my editing your talk page to attempt to prevent this problem from recurring. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:22, 19 September 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Nah, It&#039;s cool. I had assumed the presence of another message on the talk page would have given the hint, but apparently not, so I appreciate you making it explicit. (Side note, I&#039;m still not totally convinced that GP isn&#039;t RWP since they&#039;ve been popping up on the same articles as of late like Battle at Half Dome, Prime Predaking, and Battlechargers, but if abates is willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, I guess I can too.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:33, 19 September 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Caching errors ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So looking through those pages I marked for speedy deletion a few days ago due to being empty files improperly migrated when the site moved from Wikia, they&#039;re still showing up in the list of files (and as large ones at that) despite you having deleted them. I&#039;m going to try uploading a simple image to see if deleting those will get rid of them for good; if you get the chance, I&#039;d appreciate if you&#039;d try deleting them one more time to see if it fixes the issue. Thanks much. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:06, 22 October 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m not seeing them in any file lists now, so I guess it worked? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:46, 22 October 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Cool. There&#039;s a lot of other files like that, so I&#039;ll do an audit of our file list and see how many I can find and mark for removal. Hopefully it shouldn&#039;t take too long to get things cleaned up, but it&#039;s not a high priority, so don&#039;t worry too much about deleting the ones I&#039;ve marked afterwards; just get to them when you can. Thanks for your help! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:54, 22 October 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== A question ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How do you add image captions? {{unsigned|Gadgetprime12}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Hi! In the article where the image is being displayed, you&#039;ll see something like &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:image.jpg|300px|thumb]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. That&#039;s the code that displays the image, so adding a caption is a matter of adding it to this code like &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:image.jpg|300px|thumb|Caption goes here]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;, though I should warn you in advance that adding captions on this wiki is regarded as a reward for making a significant contribution, so you should concentrate on editing in other areas before you start adding them. &lt;br /&gt;
:You can read more about the syntax this wiki uses in [[Help:Editing]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:34, 31 October 2019 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Changing visibility of the really old bad junk ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Think I&#039;m going a little too crazy? Most of the ones I&#039;ve been working on are NOT kid friendly. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 02:35, 22 January 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Sounds like a good plan. Excellent work! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:42, 22 January 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Seems like a totally worthwhile endeavor to me. Why let that fester in the baseboards? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 09:10, 22 January 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== I&#039;d like to rename my account. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;d like it changed to Tyranno. --[[User:Razorsaw|Tyranno]] ([[User talk:Razorsaw|talk]]) 18:53, 1 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:All done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:01, 1 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ruby text support ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m curious if it&#039;s possible to port over the necessary css here for a template like {{w|Template:Ruby-ja|this}}? It&#039;d come in handy for a couple of stuff. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:10, 18 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve just had a brief look at it, but it should be possible to do. Seems reasonable simple! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:27, 18 May 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Change username ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi! I&#039;m posting as you asked on Discord :)&lt;br /&gt;
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Could you change my username to &amp;quot;Aristiana&amp;quot; please?&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks!&lt;br /&gt;
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== Username change, take 2: Flawlessvoid -&amp;gt; Prime Radiant ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Would you kindly change it?&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you! [[User:Flawlessvoid|Prime Radiant]] ([[User talk:Flawlessvoid|talk]]) 21:05, 5 August 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== World of Warships: Transformers template? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I mean, I could follow the other video game templates to create one for &#039;&#039;[[World of Warships: Transformers]]&#039;&#039; and go from there, but I don&#039;t think my markup language is up to snuff. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 20:18, 12 September 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Sure, I can put together an image template for World of Warships. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:40, 12 September 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Much thanks! --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 23:53, 12 September 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Could you please change my username? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello. Could you please change my username to ChangingFate? Thank you. [[User:ZodiacLegacy911|ChangingFate]] ([[User talk:ZodiacLegacy911|talk]]) 18:25, 17 September 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:32, 17 September 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tweaking the video game template? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe add a &amp;quot;End of service: *date*&amp;quot; to the video game template, so that it can be used for the mobile games? A few other Wikis have it on theirs, like &#039;&#039;[https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Before_Crisis_-Final_Fantasy_VII- Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII]&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;[https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/Tales_of_the_Rays Tales of the Rays]&#039;&#039;. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 03:21, 21 September 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:That seems like a good idea, especially since it&#039;s becoming more common these days! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:19, 21 September 2020 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Realeffigdeal archive ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can the ROTF viral sites be documented in a source page?&lt;br /&gt;
Realeffingdeal and Gianteffingrobots.com. Though they will be incomplete since not all of it is saved (especially the second site). I want to archive the surviving images and the posts regardless.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 10:37, 2 November 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Heyo back with another name change ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Fast forward 3 years! I feel bad that I think I started the tidal wave of people coming to you to change names but you do offer the best service in town! Alright, I&#039;ll stop playin&#039; around, I would like my name changed to Notsoalex. Thank you! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:24, 14 November 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== How To Create Media Wiki ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How do I go about creating a wiki website?&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi, the MediaWiki website has a [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_guide very detailed guide] on installing MediaWiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:41, 29 November 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yes, I saw that and I still couldn&#039;t figure it out that&#039;s why I&#039;ve decided to ask people.[[User:CarverSindile|CarverSindile]] ([[User talk:CarverSindile|talk]]) 06:21, 29 November 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Briefly: it&#039;s a case of signing up with a web host and paying for some web space. How you go from there will depend on the web host you&#039;ve chosen - some have a control panel interface that will let you install MediaWiki by selecting an option, or otherwise you&#039;d need to download MediaWiki and install it yourself. The web host may have help documents that tell you how to install MediaWiki (e.g. [https://help.dreamhost.com/hc/en-us/articles/217292577-MediaWiki-overview here are dreamhost&#039;s instructions]).&lt;br /&gt;
:::Alternately you can use a wiki farm, which takes care of all the hosting and so on for you. Our sister wiki use ShoutWiki and I&#039;ve also heard good things about Miraheze, though you may want to talk to someone who&#039;s actually used it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:49, 29 November 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I was going to talk with the person who created this site but that user hasn&#039;t been active in what, two years? [[User:CarverSindile|CarverSindile]] ([[User talk:CarverSindile|talk]]) 15:03, 29 November 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dylan Gould&#039;s maid ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well if you don&#039;t think &amp;quot;maid&amp;quot; is a great name for the elderly lady who work for [[Dylan Gould]] that appears when [[Sam Witwicky]] visited [[Carly Spencer]] in her job at [[Hotchkiss Gould Investments]] and when Dylan revealed he work for Decepticons in [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|DOTM]]. Then how should we call her? Also do you know her &amp;quot;In universe real name&amp;quot; and the actress who played her in the movie? Because i want to create an article about her, but i need to know who played her in the film to create an article about her in-film role. And fast because the image that i uploaded is about to be deleted. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 17:14, 13 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:A maid is generally someone who does cleaning, whereas the elderly lady in question appears to be an assistant of some sort. The information you&#039;re looking for is likely to be in the movie&#039;s internal documentation which, AFAIK, has never been made public, so you&#039;re looking for information which I don&#039;t believe is available to us. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:22, 13 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I discovered that her Brazilian voice actor is [[Marly Ribeiro]], but of course that piece of information is not enough, since the article about [[Dylan Gould&#039;s watchdogs|Dylan&#039;s dogs]] was created only because they both have &amp;quot;in-universe&amp;quot; names (or in this case nicknames) and the identity of the [[Shooter and Hottie|dog actors who played them]] confirmed. I was originally going to call her &amp;quot;Dylan Gould&#039;s aide&amp;quot;, due to the fact that she helps him the same way [[Charlotte Mearing|Charlotte]] [[Mearing&#039;s aide]] does, but i called her maid because the word &amp;quot;aide&amp;quot; was used for the [[Trump Tower]]&#039;s female workers in his dogs&#039; article. So i&#039;ll call her Dylan Gould&#039;s assistant okay? As for how i&#039;m going to save the image i uploaded from being deleted is by creating an article about her, but first, i need to find more information about her. And trust me, it&#039;s not gonna be easy racing against time, since i&#039;ll have to find something that is most likely impossible to find before time runs out. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;d be interested to know where you found Marly Ribeiro was her voice actor! Unfortunately the IMDB page lists a lot of uncredited people, but no one, apparently, for that role. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:17, 14 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::it&#039;s much easier than you could expect Abates, recently my husband Renato and i were re-watching DOTM to have that amazing nostalgia feeling of the day when we went to the theaters and watched the [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|then-apparent]] final chapter of the [[Live-action film series]] together, suddendly we both noticed that her voice in our language was the same of a character from a kid cartoon that our son Gabriel was watching at the time. We then correctly deduced that it was the same voice actor, so after watching the movie and put Gabriel to sleep, Renato then searched for who voiced her in the movie, but nothing was found, until i decided to search for the voice actor of the kid cartoon character instead, and then i found the answer, that&#039;s how we both killed the riddle of who&#039;s her Brazilian voice actor which is Marly Ribeiro. As for her actress, Fanofcoolstuff27 told me he discovered who played her in the film, so go and check his talk page to find out who is her actress and how he found out. Sorry for not telling this before, but in December my family is passing through so many difficulties and i just didn&#039;t had enough time to be active here, i managed to a few contributions this month but still very hard to keep the pace. Anyways Marry Christmas! --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 21:30, 25 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Thanks for the response, very interesting! Sorry to hear about your family difficulties, and I hope you&#039;re having a merry Christmas regardless. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:36, 25 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I just thought to update you, yesterday i&#039;ve created the page for [[Jennifer Williams|her actress]], and now i created the page for the [[Dylan Gould&#039;s assistant|in-film role]]. Guess i&#039;m returning be able to be active here much sooner than expected now that there&#039;s 2 days left to end this cursed year then. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 11:24, 29 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Project: Black Knife ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you and/or [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] know something about Project: Black Knife from &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]&#039;&#039;? Because i&#039;m also planning in creating its page. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 18:36, 29 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Sorry, it&#039;s been a long time since I saw Revenge of the Fallen and I don&#039;t remember what Project: Black Knife even was. One tip I can give you though is to leave the colon out of the name, as the MediaWiki software automatically redirects any title starting with &amp;quot;Project:&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;Transformers Wiki:&amp;quot;. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:53, 29 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Is there any way to remove that? &amp;quot;Project:&amp;quot; as a namespace isn&#039;t really a thing here. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:02, 29 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Unfortunately the Project namespace redirect is a system thing and I don&#039;t believe there&#039;s any way to remove it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:02, 29 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I just created the page for the [[Project Black Knife|Project: Black Knife]]. Go and check it out! Thanks for the information that you&#039;ve provided. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 19:50, 29 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Human Collaborators ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am going to create a page about all the humans who work for the Decepticons in [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]. Should &amp;quot;Human Collaborators&amp;quot; be considered an organization or a group? If you know what should i consider about them, then i&#039;ll make it happen. Spoiler: all the members who were not in [[Chicago]] were killed by the Decepticons, all the members who were in Chicago, except for [[Dylan Gould|their leader]] were killed by [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] when he destroyed the apartment in [[Trump Tower]], and finally, Dylan is killed by [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]]. everything i&#039;ll insert on the page is based on what i learned when i watched the film, so this claim of mine about all them being dead at the end of the film is true so don&#039;t change-it please. Hope you have a Happy New Year. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 23:46, 29 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I am not sure at all that that was intended as a proper noun. Megatron was just saying that they should kill the humans who collaborated with them. It&#039;s entirely possible that the collaborators were not aware of each other, and I think it would be a stretch to call it an organization or group. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:16, 30 December 2020 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Exactly what i&#039;m talking about, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] ordered them to kill &#039;&#039;all the humans who collaborated with them&#039;&#039; to make sure their plan wouldn&#039;t be exposed, some of them were disposed off before the party where he revealed their relationship with the Decepticons to Sam, and after the party was over, the remaining collaborators where (including his friends and his assistant) where all killed, they didn&#039;t killed Dylan because he gained permission to stay alive by selling [[Human|his race]] as slaves to them and they didn&#039;t killed his bodyguards because every rich person as Dylan for exemple must always have someone to defend them from danger.&lt;br /&gt;
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::During the onslaught in his apartment, there is one brief moment that shows Bumblebee&#039;s firing from Carly&#039;s point of view (POV) and in that moment it&#039;s possible to see that there were no bodyguards there. And if you saw the moment when an [[Orbital Assault Carrier]] ambushed Sam and Epps&#039; team, the bullets from the Carriers causes a human to be reduced to dust, which is exactly what happened to them in that scene, i know all his bodyguards did also duck and covered themselves but the fire literally obliterated his apartment completely. Also his bodyguards are so loyal to him that they follow him anywhere he goes if he is outside of any of his properties, (i know the garden where he revealed he work for the Decepticons to Sam belongs to his estate but he was outside of his mansion, so that also counts), but in the moment where he approached [[35 East Wacker]] to inform that the Autobots are still alive none of his bodyguards came with him, which proves once again that they were murdered by Bumblebee when he decided they must pay for all the evil they were causing with their lives.&lt;br /&gt;
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::If you don&#039;t believe me there is one piece of information that proves it other than visual facts and concrete dialogs, that being the movie&#039;s script. And no its not an earlier version of the script that was later revised, its the script in its final version (the version that is 100% accurate to how it happened in the film itself), the script in its final version is even in many script websites you can go and see. Unfortunately those websites don&#039;t have the text of what happens in the scene, only the characters&#039; dialogs, and DOTM is not the only movie in which the final version of the script includes only the characters&#039; dialogs in script websites, there&#039;re many other movies which suffers the same fate as DOTM in those websites. How do i know that you may ask, because sometime after i completed my 11th birthday, i was searching for the movie&#039;s script to learn more about the human villains from &#039;&#039;Dark of the Moon&#039;&#039; on the internet since i wanted to know what happened to all of them, when suddenly i found a website which has the script on its final version, i was too young to understand English at the time, but with Renato&#039;s help i managed to translate everything, and after analyzing every single text written on it, it was left clear for us that is the script on its final version and so what happened to all the human collaborators was finally revealed to us. After discovering that, i took pictures from my computer screen using a camera that i received for my birthday, of the writings that mentioned what happened to all of them, which is about their deaths, exactly as i said above, after i took the pictures we then printed the photos and guarded them inside a box with things of my childhood, so that i could recall them once i was more older. Nine years later both Renato and i forgot that they all died and the photos we took before, but i had a dê-ja-vu feeling when i interpreted in my mind that they all died. So we searched for it on the movie&#039;s script again, only to find out it didn&#039;t had the text from the scenes and only has the dialogs. Now in [[2021]] because of every goddamn thing that happened last year, we&#039;re gonna have to move to a new home, and one day while making preparations to move out, Gabriel have found that box with things from our childhood, and after opening it we found the pictures and remembered them, it was thanks to our son that we found official evidences of their deaths to prove here and create the page.&lt;br /&gt;
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::As for the page, i want to create-it because the story of everything they did goes beyond what was showed to us in the film, one of them appeared in the [[Transformers: Rising Storm|Rising Storm]] comic miniseries &amp;amp; their origin and why [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] decided the Decepticons should have human allies is explained in the [[Transformers: Convergence|Convergence]] prose-story. But i will include only the members who were relevant to the comic, prose-story and movie&#039;s plot. Those members being [[Dylan Gould]], [[Gould|his father]], [[Dylan Gould&#039;s assistant|his assistant]], his bodyguards, [[Alexi Voskhod]], [[Voskhod|his uncle]], [[Jerry Wang]] and [[Bob Singer|the Engineer]], and no i won&#039;t create an page about Dylan&#039;s bodyguards because that would be ridiculously dumb.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I talked about this to [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) but he said that i was just speculating things, after that i said that i would keep it to myself and i wouldn&#039;t do any change nor create the page because of what he told me, now i regret doing that since i&#039;m afraid he won&#039;t believe me about what i&#039;m telling you right now.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry for not talking to you at the very beginning of the year but just like December i&#039;m not having free time to be here due to us being packing our stuff to move out, i was able to make some contributions right at the beginning of the 2021 but not to talk to someone about anything on their User talk pages. Still Happy 2021 and hope that this year is better than the fraggin&#039; crap that was [[2020]]! --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 13:50, 15 January 2021 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That is quite a lot of text and I am not sure I am following the gist of your argument. The fate of these people doesn&#039;t have any relevance to whether they can be considered a coherent organization. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:05, 16 January 2021 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Sorry if my last reply was too extensive but its because there was so many things that i found out about the collaborators and that happened in the meantime and i wanted to explain everything to you. I know the fact that my son (who is 2 years old) managed to find the box where my husband and i guarded the pictures we took from the website where we found the movie&#039;s script in its final version when we were kids at that time seems like an impossible case scenario, but what happened was that one day after we were done making our preparations to move out for that day to continue in the following day, we forgot that we left the ladder to attic opened, Gabriel was playing inside the house and sometime while none of us where paying attention he went upstairs and entered the attic. When we found him there he was opening all the boxes he found, after preventing him from opening more i saw that one of the boxes he opened contained things from our childhood that we forgot, including the pictures i took when i was 11 years old, that how he found it.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::That&#039;s all what happened that brought me here and allow me to have an evidence that all the collaborators are as good as dead. You may not follow the gist of my last argument but its true, since if wasn&#039;t i wouldn&#039;t come up with the idea to create a page about them. In fact i never wanted to write any speculation of mine on this wiki since i always go for concrete facts about the brand.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Speaking of which you shouldn&#039;t have said that &amp;quot;their fates are irrelevant to whether they can be considered a coherent organization&amp;quot; because after what Fanofcoolstuff27 told me, i realized that human collaborators is not a group nor an organization, and so when i create the page it&#039;ll read like &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;the human collaborators are Decepticon-allied humans from the Dark of the Moon portion of the Live-action continuity family&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; and of course reveal what happened to them and include the fact that its revealed in the script on the notes section of the page, so that fans will know what happened to all of them at the end of the film and so prevent it from being changed to look ambiguous, since that&#039;s what everyone thinks when about them when (as i&#039;m saying a lot of times above) the script reveals what happened to all of them, besides i think that creating a page about the collaborators is a good way to celebrate Transformers: Dark of the Moon 10th year anniversary. I&#039;ll wait for your reply thanks! --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 20:25, 16 January 2021 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Human collaborators are not unique to Dark of the Moon. E.G. [[Shawn Berger]] can be regarded a human collaborator because he worked with the Decepticons. Then you have the question over whether, say, [[Marissa Faireborn]] would be covereed since she was part of the EDC in the IDW comics when they were working with the Decepticons.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::All that aside, I am not sure why you are trying to persuade me in particular that the wiki needs this page. A wiki is a group effort. If you are determined to create this, I would suggest creating it as a sandbox page and asking the community at large. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:30, 17 January 2021 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Abates, i&#039;m not persuading you, i&#039;m just saying everything to let you know about this subject and what i plan to do with it. I now understand that the human collaborators are something that exists from the beginning of the brand, and so i&#039;m going to do what you&#039;ve said and i&#039;ll create it as a sandbox and ask everyone if this wiki should really have it. Thanks! --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 11:22, 17 January 2021 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just letting you know, you&#039;ve more than likely found an unofficial transcript of the dialogue which can be found for just about any film on the web. People with a lot of spare time write down every line of dialogue from films. This also sometimes leads to made up dialogue if something has been misinterpreted by the person recording the dialogue in written format. If the writer has used extracted subtitle files from films, that can also lead to misinterpreted dialogue (e.g. Bonecrusher&#039;s growls and alien gibberish being misinterpreted as spoken English words in the official subtitles for the first film or Animated&#039;s subtitles mistaking Shockwave&#039;s name for &amp;quot;Chug-Way&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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As for the body guards dying in the apartment, it is still just built on speculation. Yes, the Decepticon ship weapons turn humans to dust, but there is no dust or bones shown in the apartment. Again, we can&#039;t record anything on the wiki if it hasn&#039;t been confirmed or shown visibly. Their fates are simply left ambiguous. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:51, 17 January 2021 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Fanofcollstuff27, i know that the final version of the script that i found is an transcript made by someone, after all its obvious that no movie company would do something like that, but the version i&#039;m talking specifically about is accurate to how it happened in the film.&lt;br /&gt;
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:As for the collaborators in DOTM most of what i&#039;m saying is true, after all if Megatron ordered them to execute all of them to avoid any danger of his plans being exposed, then they really did killed them all, except for Dylan since he sold humanity as slaves for them so that their plan could finally be set into motion. But the bodyguards is the only part that&#039;s causing a lotta headache here, i know there was no dust or bones shown in the apartment during the slaughter after rescuing Carly, but their deaths could have happened while the drone sent by the government was descending to see what was going on, and so it wasn&#039;t shown to us. Also as i said on your talk page and this one, his body guards are so loyal to him they follow him anywhere he goes, so that means they should have followed Dylan when he approached 35 East Wacker to warn them about the situation, but as we saw in the film none of his body guards came with him. And last but not least the reason why there weren&#039;t dust or bones is because the slaughter was caused by the [[Orbital Assault Carrier]]&#039;s guns, not by the [[Disintegrator ray]]. Since the Disintegrator ray is the Carrier&#039;s weapons that causes the Humans to be reduced to dust with only remaining of their corpses being their skeletons, while the guns kills the human in a way that leaves absolutely nothing of their corpses, no body, no blood, no organs, no bones, no clothes, no dust, nothing, like if the victim didn&#039;t even existed. So why did i said that the guns causes to be reduced to dust with bones instead of being reduced to absolutely nothing? Because i decided that i would say only what fans want to hear, since one day while i was talking about what each of the Orbital Assault Carrier&#039;s guns do to the human body and when i said that the guns causes to be reduced to nothing and the disintegrator rays causes to be reduced to dust and bones, all the members of our transformers&#039; fan club on my school shouted at me &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;IF YOU CLAIM THAT THE ORBITAL ASSAULT CARRIERS&#039; GUNS REDUCE US TO NOTHING AND THE ORBITAL ASSAULT CARRIERS&#039; DISINTEGRATOR RAYS REDUCE US TO DUST WITH BONES, YOU&#039;RE NOT A TRUE TRANSFORMERS&#039; FAN!&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;. So that&#039;s why i did that. I&#039;m sorry.&lt;br /&gt;
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:If you and/or Abates want to reply me again, please don&#039;t do it here, do it on [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal|the wiki&#039;s community portal]] because this is the last time i&#039;ll talk about this here, since i&#039;ll bring this conversation there so that more people can discuss about it. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 16:13, 18 January 2021 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Backing up the wiki with rsync ==&lt;br /&gt;
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::Long term, we should find someone to host an rsync backup of the entire /var/lib/mediawiki directory, along with an offsite replica of the MySQL database. While it would take a while to reupload the data, this would effectively preserve the wiki in the event of a complete catastrophic datacenter failure.&lt;br /&gt;
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Synching MySQL and InnoDB can be tricky (especially with InnoDB), but even just backing up /var/lib/mediawiki to a separate Linode and using `mysqldump` every so often would be a good start? Would love to work out the details. Also, plesae let me know if there&#039;s a better place to work this out too. Thanks! [[User:Prime Radiant|Prime Radiant]] ([[User talk:Prime Radiant|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2021 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Linode does provide regular backups, for what it&#039;s worth. Discord might be an easier place to discuss stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:35, 24 January 2021 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Yet another Username Change ==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;d like it changed to just &amp;quot;Some Dweeb&amp;quot;. [[User:Some Disney dweeb|Some Disney dweeb]] ([[User talk:Some Disney dweeb|talk]]) 16:39, 3 February 2021 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Done! You may need to relog in. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:51, 3 February 2021 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Comic Panels==&lt;br /&gt;
Greetings, apologize for writing here but trying to get some assistance with a wiki I am working on and was wondering where you got the code of the comic panel info for the wiki? How did you set this up?&lt;br /&gt;
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