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Item42: /* my edit on The Latest RID episode */

==Stop==

We include the foreign titles so as to make the foreign spellings available. We strive to be as informative as possible and whether the foriegn words translate the same as the English titles is immaterial. We want that info present. So please stop removing information from the pages. If it upsets you that much, then let a discussion actually progress in the talk pages first, before going on a massive info-deleting spree. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 01:28, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

: I thought I was following the example set on the Revenge of the Fallen talk page. There, Walky had stated that foreign titles shouldn't be listed if they were simply a direct translation. I thought that was the consensus and was simply trying to catch examples that had fallen through the cracks. Apparently I was wrong, and I apologize for acting prematurely. Perhaps it is time to examine this policy. I will, of course, follow any decision made. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:28, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

==Primes==
Dear Khajidha,
I believe you have made an error in your statement "(→Notes: Nexus prime is one of the 13, not the lineage of primes (matrix bearers))". Right here on tfwiki.net you will find the following statements:
"They were the first Transformers, and all Primes..... In an answer in October 2009's Q&A Hasbro indicated that only seven of the 13 were Primes."
This clearly suggests that since Forest Lee had claimed Nexus to be a Prime and that there exists exactly seven "spirit guides" and that these must therefore be the seven aforesaid Primes, THEN Nexus Prime must be one of these seven "spirit guide" Primes. Can you disprove this by logic?
Sincerely, P.C. -{{unsigned|Deszarasu}} 00:31, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
:The spirit guides from Five Faces of Darkness are seven holders of the Matrix of Leadership before Rodimus Prime. The fact that there are seven of them is a simple coincidence with the "seven of the [original] 13" were Primes. Of the original 13 we have Primon/Alpha Prime, Megatronus Prime/The Fallen, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime. Only Primon is also one of the Spirit Guides, as he was also the first Matrix bearer. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:58, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

Merci on the spelling fix in my sandbox. [[User:JW|JW]] 12:02, 5 August 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron (Myth) ==

I am sorry, but I would like to post the fact the G1 Megatron would have named himself after the Preacon who named himself after the G1 Megatron. Is their a neater way you would prefer me to write it as, you said it was poorly written. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:47, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

== Transformers 3 ==

I did have a source for that, I just forgot where it was. It was revealed on TFW2005.com that on set, a pole with Megatron's head and a pole with Soundwave's head was found on set. Also, on the same website, Starscream's fate was revealed, so he must be in the movie. (I shall not reveal the fate unless asked.)[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 19:54, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
:Set leaks from TFW2005 do not count as official information. Neither does some website about caps talking about what they heard happens. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:45, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
:You know, the film crew just confirmed he will be in it and what he turns into. Just saying. Please don't try to kill me Detour. I know you a reading this.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:36, 28 October 2010 (EDT)

== Answer ==
Agreed. --[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 08:48, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron comment ==

You know, I kinda thought that Kibble comment that person wrote on 2007 Megatron's leader class toy caption was kinda funny. It is true, he does have a lot of kibble. Why did you delete that? Was it because of the grammer?[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:41, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
:The anonymous editor has not built a record of useful edits, policy is to revert. Also wasn't funny. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:41, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
::Whatever. I liked it, you didn't. Lets just leave it the way it is without a caption comment.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:39, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

== Scoop Bastard ==

Why can't I remove just that one tag? I said one thing that Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave are going to be in transformers 3 and I am automatically a scoop bastard because of one thing? So what their heads were seen on set! Who cares. Not to mention the fact that the actual wikipedia says they are in DOTM, so are you going to call them scoop bastards too? I have never done anything else and because of one thing one user doesn't like I am now a scoop bastard? What kind of crap is this? I am not removing the sign your posts thing or the spelling thing, just the thing that says I "stole" information.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 14:23, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
:You posted unverified information, that means you earned the scoop tag. The term "scoopbastard" may be unfortunate, but that is the name of the tag. What Wikipedia says is irrelevant. No official notice of them being in the movie had been released as of the time you added the information and the tag was added to your page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:29, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
::So, I will just have to deal with it. Ok. Look, I can tell i have been getting on your nerves recently. I would just want to apologize for that. It's been a stressful week.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:40, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::Just make sure to keep the advice in mind in the future. After a long while (say, this time next year) you can move all of this old stuff to an archive page linked to your talk page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:32, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::OK, Thanks for the help. Sorry for the trouble.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:31, 3 November 2010 (EDT)

== BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Editor_XXV/Archive#20_January_2011 Enjoy]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:12, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:At least they came to the correct conclusion. People CAN agree without being the same person, even if others don't like what they agree on. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:51, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== Good ==

now i'm A-1, thanks

--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 16:58, 2 April 2011 (EDT)

==Still pretty confused==
I read the disambig but am kind of in the dark. How many pages should be in a category before it is needed? I thought 2 was minimum, I get if it's a higher number but I'm wondering if the guideline's written somewhere so I can be consistant and know what to look for prior to creating anymore.

I'm also not sure why Sumdac should redirect to Isaac Sumdac rather than Sari or being a disambig for the two. Couldn't either of them be referred to like this? Plus "Sari" redirects to Sari Sumdac yet the redirect from Isaac to Isaac Sumdac isn't allowed? I guess I'm not sure, it's like the dad's never called by his given name nor Sari by her surname, very confusing. [[User:Tyciol|Ty]] 01:17, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
:Categories generally require at least 7 members. Disambiguation pages are only created when there are at least 3 items with the same name. When there are just two, the unmodified name should redirect to one of them. Since "Sumdac" is used for Isaac most often, it redirects to him. Since there are no other "Isaac's", typing Isaac into the search box will automatically bring him up in the list. The "Sari Sumdac" page was created as "Sari" and later moved, leaving a redirect behind. It probably could be deleted, I'll make the recommendation.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:04, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re: HOF ==

I based the inclusion on the toys shown at the Hall of Fame. Check them out [http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.228373357188447.77714.166004856758631 here]. I'm still waiting on the tribute videos to go online to see if Hasbro counts ''Cybertron'' Soundwave. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 12:37, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think you're putting a little too much emphasis on which toys were used for these rather random displays. For example, no RID Prime or Megatron is present in the displays but Hasbro said that no version of OP or Megs was eligible for the fan votes as they were automatically inducted as part of the first class. Similar language was used to exclude any version of Ironhide etc in this year's voting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::I doubt they were that random. I don't think Hasbro considers ''Energon'' Ironhide the same character because he's a kid-appeal character as opposed to Optimus's gruff right-hand bot. That's why I'm waiting on the videos for a final check: we used the videos to determine which pages went into the category last year and mentioned the odd exception (the RID versions in their notes). [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

== Username Origin ==

(Original section title: Uh...) Where'd you get your name from? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:44, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:It was the magic word used by the Silver Age Blue Beetle. I think I may have misspelled it, though. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:40, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
::I think you've got it right— that's how they spell it in the Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) comics (which are excellent), although I believe they put a space or a hyphen or somesuch in the middle. Nice username, strong approval, etc. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:13, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
::Just to be a completist (I'm in the right place for that, yes?) I looked it up, and officially nowadays there's no second H ("da" instead of "dha"). Close enough for government work, though. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:17, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I think it's varied all over the place over the years. I've seen "kaji dha", "khaji da" and "khaji dha". I just kind of went with what looked coolest to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 00:48, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Gaea ==

Sorry about that. I didn't see that the note was a recent addition, and thought it was meant to be there.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.165|192.249.47.165]] 18:04, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Brawl ==

While I agree that the entire script should not appear in the quotes section, what is there is far from approaching that.

Furthermore, I feel that the quotes I added are significant & add to the section since:
1) One shows a recurring theme of Spike's romantic interests and
2) The other is an rather adult quote for a kids show, much more deserving of the higher PG rating than the "bloody" comment. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the reason it got that rating.

I didn't randomly pick these, and put some thought into it. I would argue that there are other quotes that add less to the section, but more importantly, the section is not so big that it would constitute the "entire script". Other episodes have larger quote sections with many more superficial quotes.
:1)The recurring theme of Spike's romances is better handled as a note than a quote. 2)I think you are rather reaching for your adult interpretation. 3)We have been [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Hey.2C_I.27ve_got_a_new_user_talk_page_template_request...|having discussions]] here about reducing quote sections. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:53, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
::About the quote, Wise has said in an interview (I think the same one that said that Dion died) the visual with the screw was intentional, so I wouldn't be surprised about the quote. But that too would be better for a note than quote. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:24, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Interesting, Geewunling. I meant to mention earlier that part of why I had said what I said about the "entire script" was that (at least) one of the quotes that Brawl added was a continuation of a quote that was already there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:30, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== Comprised ==

God bless you for correcting people's use of "comprised". Srsly. [[User:JW|JW]] 12:48, 12 July 2011 (EDT)
:My personal little grammatical bugbear. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:22, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

== Midnight Express ==

Revision history of "Midnight Express (RID)"
* (cur) (last) 20:05, 8 October 2011 Khajidha (Talk | contribs) (11,588 bytes) (all English variants are valid)

Fair enough, but why remove the Brave homage that I thought should be pointed out? <=I
:Mainly because I didn't notice that you had added something, I just took the page back to how it had been before you changed English variants. Looking back at it, I don't mind if that is re-added. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:15, 21 October 2011 (EDT)

Alrighty then, I'll be adding it back. --[[User:Cannonfodder4000|Cannonfodder4000]] 11:09, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

== Karussell ==

I brought some sense into it: [[Karussell]]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:44, 31 October 2011 (EDT)
:Thanks, this is such a neglected corner of the history of the brand that any information is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:08, 31 October 2011 (EDT)

== Laserbeak (Prime) ==

I was reverting the 208 IP's caption-bastardry, which he had already gotten a warning for on his talk page. Am I not supposed to touch captions at all as an anon, even to revert bastardry?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:24, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry, I missed the fact that you were reverting. Go right ahead with that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:51, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
::Oh! Well, thanks then, I'll get that done in a jiff.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 16:38, 4 November 2011 (EDT)

==Voting==
You can't vote for Grimlock or Shockwave. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:37, 23 February 2012 (EST)
:Sorry, I missed the listings for this year's automatic inductees. I've fixed that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 23 February 2012 (EST)

==IMAGE==
excuse me can you say me where i can find some movie page without image?
[[user:Shockwave1704]]

ops sorry but sometimes i don't know how to entitle my image
[[user:Shockwave1704]]

==Frank Welker==

ah it's for this reason that soundwave spoke an american accent in roft[[user:Shockwave1704]]

==G. I. Joe==

Which articles are you talking about?

The bit about the first Joe / TF crossover came from digging out my copy of issue #2 and updating Hawk's profile.

For the individual Joes, every time I touch the flavor text on an article it either comes straight from the file cards (what we TF fans know as tech specs) or from an official source such as the Order of Battle series. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 17:26, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
:I was asking about the individual characters. GI Joe file cards and the Order of Battle series are valid sources for a GI Joe wiki, but not for a Transformers one as they are not TF fiction. GI Joe-only fiction cannot be used as a source here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:41, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
::I've been '''creating''' Joe articles for a year now (give or take), in each case using the material to help do the flavor text, and with one or two exceptions no one's said anything before now. In fact, I'm the guy who created the articles on Joes like Wild Bill, Mutt, and Dial-Tone. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 08:49, 5 April 2012 (EDT)

== Darkwing ==

Uh, the reason I did that was because the note was stretching out and covering part of the pic. (At least that's what happens on my screen.....) --[[Special:Contributions/81.164.215.61|81.164.215.61]] 12:00, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
:On my screen, your version left great heaping gobs of white space while the previous version had a broken note template. Perhaps we should let someone else weigh in on this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:08, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

== Fish/Pelycosaur ==

First off, please don't interpret this as an argument, 'cause I know I'm not as familiar with pelycosaurs as I'd like to be, and I'm just curious here.

Regarding your edit to Dinosaur (dinosaur), you basically said that pelycosaur is to dinosaur as fish is to human, rather than dolphin is to human. I'm kind of confused about that, since aren't pelycosaurs and dinosaurs at least part of the same class Reptilia, while fish would be a totally different class? Or is this a timescale thing?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 18:02, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
:Pelycosaurs are not part of Reptilia as currently defined. Pelycosaurs and mammals are both part of Synapsida. It was not meant as a straightforward comparison, but rather a rough indication of the genetic distance between the two groups. Saying that a human is a fish is actually a more valid comparison, as mammals derive from groups commonly considered "fish" while neither dinosaurs nor pelycosaurs derived from the other. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:28, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

== Shattered Glass Wreck-Gar ==
"Do some actual work"? This isn't a bloody office job, you know. We're doing this in our spare time, and this site isn't supposed to be taken all that seriously, in case you hadn't noticed. I don't see what the problem is. You've said "policy is to revert" if the user hasn't done much else, but I had a look at the policies and I didn't see that. Besides, isn't inserting a vaguely relevant movie quote appropriate for a page about a character who speaks entirely in quotes? There was even a setup line there that I only had to tweak a little bit. How is that hurting the article? --[[User:Magnus Prime|Magnus Prime]], 17 May 2012
:Yes, we are doing it in our spare time. BUT, there is a point to this website: it is a source of information about the Transformers brand and all of its components. If you are here to add to that, do so. If you are here just to show that you are funny, we're not interested. While the page is called [[Transformers Wiki:Caption]], it has always been interpreted as applying to ALL humor here. Also, you may notice that someone else had reverted your changes the first time you made them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:18, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
::Alright, you win. --[[User:Magnus Prime|Magnus Prime]], 17 May 2012

== Not a Lame excuse ==
that "error" about Mikaela wasnt a lame excuse to look at Megan, i am not fully into girls yet, i just thought it was a mistake and i posted it

== Sentient ==

According to the American Heritage Dictionary, the only correct pronunciation of "sentient" is so that it rhymes with "patient". What source are you using that approves of "sen-tee-ent"? [[User:JW|JW]] 22:09, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
:Both are given at [http://www.macmillandictionary.com/pronunciation/american/sentient Macmillan Dictionary], [http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/sentient Oxford Learners Dictionary] and [http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/sentient Merriam-Webster]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:42, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
:: Hurm. Wisdom received. [[User:JW|JW]] 21:55, 21 July 2012 (EDT)

== About Kup ==

My joke was a lot better than "I don't even like ice cream!" What does that joke have to do with Kup? Nothing.
:"________ callrd, he wants his ________ back" is not a good joke. Neither is "Not _______". Or any of the other things you tried. That's why you were reverted by several other people as well. The main point though, is that adding captions is a privilege that must be earned by making actual edits that add to the information available from this wiki. We don't exist just to make jokes, you know. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:30, 3 October 2012 (EDT)

==Re: Springer Edits==

I wasn't being sexist about Arcee. I was suggesting that Rodimus (or the show) was being sexist about Arcee. But be honest; between G1 Arcee, Grimlock (ANY continuity) and G1 Springer, who would ''you'' choose? But while Springer certainly didn't want Roddy to die, his attitude towards getting the Matrix seemed to be a combination of "I don't want to be leader" and "Rodimus must be delirious to pick me". [[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:23, 9 November 2012 (EST)

== KB Toys ==

Are you sure the clear Spychangers KB Toys exclusive in ''Car Robots''? KB Toys is an American company, after all. --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 16:44, 6 February 2013 (EST)
:I was going off the individual pages, if that is wrong go ahead and change them. All the RID Spychangers need to be gone back over again. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:12, 7 February 2013 (EST)
::You're talking about the Hasbro versions. The part you edited was about the Takara versions, and the character pages say the clear Takara versions are variants, not exclusives. --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 10:43, 7 February 2013 (EST)
:::Oh. I must have gotten confused. I'll fix it, if you haven't already. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:58, 7 February 2013 (EST)
::::I have, but thanks! --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 11:03, 7 February 2013 (EST)

== Template:Comicstory/doc ==

You do realise editing the documentation page doesn't actually do anything, yes? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:26, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
:No, I didn't. How do you change things, then? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:59, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
::In [[Template:Comicstory]], add this to a likely spot (obviously replacing <nowiki>{{{variable x|}}}/'''Variable X'''</nowiki> with the relevant variable.
<pre><nowiki>|-
{{#if: {{{variable x|}}} |
{{!}}'''Variable X''' {{!}}{{!}} {{{variable x|}}}}}
|-</nowiki></pre>
::- [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:47, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
:::Thanks. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:56, 2 May 2013 (EDT)

== Your Revenge of Bruticus edit ==

I'm confused as to the intent of [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=The_Revenge_of_Bruticus&curid=14359&diff=821316&oldid=821077 this edit]. Your edit reason is about something being too much speculation, and about confusing "implicit" with "explicit", but all the actual edit did was just restore a note I removed. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:00, 14 August 2013 (EDT)
:Sorry, meant to go back one more revision. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:35, 14 August 2013 (EDT)
::Hello. So, could the note on the fake Bruticus be reverted without the explanation given? It still seems a significant plot hole to me. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Skywarp|Skywarp]] [[User talk:Skywarp|Skywarp]] 22:40, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

== nbsp ==

It keeps the names from being split across two lines at smaller browser window sizes. Can it be readded?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 10:07, 19 February 2014 (EST)
:Sure, I just did it. I had removed them as Mimi had readded them without a reason after Primeformer had asked for one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:19, 19 February 2014 (EST)

== "Boy racer" ==

Slang in UK for a new driver - usually young and male, hence the name - who speeds, etc. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 12:43, 20 February 2015 (EST)
:Huh. I still fail to see how he could have a "boy racer" as an altmode, then. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:57, 20 February 2015 (EST)
::Same way you can have a rapper car, or a footballer car. It's a car associated with the stereotype.
::(You will, of course, notice I didn't revert your revert. This is purely for reference!). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 13:57, 20 February 2015 (EST)

== Cerebros disambiguation ==

Sorry about that. I meant to link to the Wikipedia article for the X-Men computer Cerebro. Which I wanted to get another opinion on, do you suppose it would be useful for this wiki? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:07, 21 July 2015 (EDT)
:Probably not directly helpful. The cerebrum one can probably stay, as it is the source of the name and is somewhat funny, but an X-Men reference is probably a little too much. You might could add a joke of some sort based on it to one of the character pages, but I am not in a position to give you permission to do so. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:10, 21 July 2015 (EDT)
::Gotcha, thanks. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:15, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

==More GoBots==
On community portal. Check it out. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 21:30, 6 January 2016 (EST)

== Question ==

Hi, um. Bit of an awkward question, but are you trans? And if so, which pronouns do you prefer? Sorry if I'm bothering you. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:59, 19 June 2016 (EDT)
:Not a bother at all. I am a dual-role transvestite. I have both a male and a female identity. I do not wish to transition, but am uncomfortable if I am not able to be my femme-self for long periods of time. I prefer that people use the pronouns that match my presentation at the time. On here you can use whichever you wish. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 04:51, 20 June 2016 (EDT)

==Hi Guy/Gal==

Hi, i'm Norev Durok.

I see you're not too happy about the "Seeker Scout" page that I've created.
--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]]
:Hi, Norev. I'm actually happy someone is trying to write up the Seeker Scouts (it's been a red link for a while), but there are some problems with the page. The paragraph under "Decepticon campaign" should start with a capital letter and should be written "in universe". Talking about "intro sequences" and "Autobot and Decepticon Campaigns" is "out of universe". Remember to write about the events as if they actually happened, not as part of a game. I'm also not clear about what the caption is trying to say. Do not take any of this as an attack on you, I just want you to become the best editor you can be.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 21:24, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

Hi, Khajidha. Ok then, i'll see if I can give it a few more edits, i'm glad that you're happy about completing this pages. Trust me when I say that the Seeker Scouts won't be the only page that it's going from "Red link to Blue link".

Also, what happened to:

"Omnibot Scout 1",
"Omnibot Scout 2",
"Omnibot Warrior",
"Aerialbot Warrior",
and
"Seeker Warrior"?

Because before I've even started to complete this pages, some of them indicate that the pages did actually had some info, but were deleted.--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).
:I think that most of those pages had been made before, but they were nowhere near complete and did not follow our layout or writing styles. Rather than have poorly constructed pages, it was decided to delete them until someone came along with the knowledge and will to complete them properly.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:36, 22 August 2016 (EDT)

::Ok then, but i'll need help if i'm gonna complete those page, voice actors for example, let's say that "I don't have a good ear for voice acting"..--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).
:::That's fine. You don't have to do everything, but some of the previous attempts were thoroughly lacking. You are already well ahead of them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:08, 22 August 2016 (EDT)
Ok then, i'll fill them with a few more info.--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).

==Unused Content?==

Hi, it's Norev Durok again.

Question: should any unused content be posted here?

I know It may be "out of universe", but I know that there's so much unused content in "Transformers: The Game", that if it have been used, it would have explained so much things about the game.

examples:

Autobot Campaign: it would explain why Bonecrusher is nowhere to be found.

Decepticon Campaign: it would explain why Bumblebee is nowhere to be found after "Level 2", when "level 3"'s ending states that Bumblebee survived and has got the Allspark, but in "level 4" it is Jazz who has the Allspark. *1.

*1: I say "Level X" because I don't remember those levels names.--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).

== Yooo ==

Your userpic and caption is friggin amazing [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 02:21, 29 January 2017 (EST)

== Script readings and other stuff ==

Dunno if you noticed, but there's been some stuff digged up recently that was missing/unavailable to the public for the time being. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B7b1Q4_nEXnZWlpCUHRnZ2ozdTA
https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/129168-searching-for-old-club-content/

Hope you enjoy. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:04, 31 January 2017 (EST)
:Nifty!--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:42, 31 January 2017 (EST)

== edit I made to Kremzeek ==

How do you mean where you say 'that's not a triumph, that's a joke'? The Decepticons '''do''' triumph over the Autobots, in this episode (since, like I said, which is even my '''source''' for my edit, I've '''seen''' the episode, and the Autobots '''still''' aren't rid of Kremzeek at the '''end''' of the episode). [[User:Chris rabbit|Chris rabbit]] ([[User talk:Chris rabbit|talk]]) 10:59, 4 April 2017 (EDT)Chris rabbit
:I've seen it, too, and the clear implication is that the Autobots are going to defeat that Kremzeek as well. Otherwise there would be no further episodes. It's a joke, a "here we go again" gag.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:05, 4 April 2017 (EDT)

==my edit on The Latest RID episode==
So your edit Says Fixed Grammer Spelling and all that, and out of universe context,
My synopis I thought was just fine, When I removed the Pictures a mistake, and I didn't know how to get them back,
But While my Synopious wasn't that great, It was something to hold over til a proper Edit was made, plus I thought it had decent humour, So instead of Letting it stay until a proper Synopios was placed, or just simply putting back the pictures, Why did you Trmoved my hard Work? I would like a explanation, (sorry for my bad typing t this moment, I only have my phone to use RN)
:You specifically point out that it's a crap edit in the edit summary. That clearly tells people it wasn't "just fine". [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 10:22, 31 October 2017 (EDT)

User talk:Khajidha/archive

2017-10-31T14:22:47Z

Item42: /* my edit on The Latest RID episode */

==Stop==

We include the foreign titles so as to make the foreign spellings available. We strive to be as informative as possible and whether the foriegn words translate the same as the English titles is immaterial. We want that info present. So please stop removing information from the pages. If it upsets you that much, then let a discussion actually progress in the talk pages first, before going on a massive info-deleting spree. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 01:28, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

: I thought I was following the example set on the Revenge of the Fallen talk page. There, Walky had stated that foreign titles shouldn't be listed if they were simply a direct translation. I thought that was the consensus and was simply trying to catch examples that had fallen through the cracks. Apparently I was wrong, and I apologize for acting prematurely. Perhaps it is time to examine this policy. I will, of course, follow any decision made. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:28, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

==Primes==
Dear Khajidha,
I believe you have made an error in your statement "(→Notes: Nexus prime is one of the 13, not the lineage of primes (matrix bearers))". Right here on tfwiki.net you will find the following statements:
"They were the first Transformers, and all Primes..... In an answer in October 2009's Q&A Hasbro indicated that only seven of the 13 were Primes."
This clearly suggests that since Forest Lee had claimed Nexus to be a Prime and that there exists exactly seven "spirit guides" and that these must therefore be the seven aforesaid Primes, THEN Nexus Prime must be one of these seven "spirit guide" Primes. Can you disprove this by logic?
Sincerely, P.C. -{{unsigned|Deszarasu}} 00:31, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
:The spirit guides from Five Faces of Darkness are seven holders of the Matrix of Leadership before Rodimus Prime. The fact that there are seven of them is a simple coincidence with the "seven of the [original] 13" were Primes. Of the original 13 we have Primon/Alpha Prime, Megatronus Prime/The Fallen, Vector Prime, and Nexus Prime. Only Primon is also one of the Spirit Guides, as he was also the first Matrix bearer. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:58, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

Merci on the spelling fix in my sandbox. [[User:JW|JW]] 12:02, 5 August 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron (Myth) ==

I am sorry, but I would like to post the fact the G1 Megatron would have named himself after the Preacon who named himself after the G1 Megatron. Is their a neater way you would prefer me to write it as, you said it was poorly written. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:47, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

== Transformers 3 ==

I did have a source for that, I just forgot where it was. It was revealed on TFW2005.com that on set, a pole with Megatron's head and a pole with Soundwave's head was found on set. Also, on the same website, Starscream's fate was revealed, so he must be in the movie. (I shall not reveal the fate unless asked.)[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 19:54, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
:Set leaks from TFW2005 do not count as official information. Neither does some website about caps talking about what they heard happens. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:45, 5 September 2010 (EDT)
:You know, the film crew just confirmed he will be in it and what he turns into. Just saying. Please don't try to kill me Detour. I know you a reading this.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:36, 28 October 2010 (EDT)

== Answer ==
Agreed. --[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 08:48, 12 September 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron comment ==

You know, I kinda thought that Kibble comment that person wrote on 2007 Megatron's leader class toy caption was kinda funny. It is true, he does have a lot of kibble. Why did you delete that? Was it because of the grammer?[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:41, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
:The anonymous editor has not built a record of useful edits, policy is to revert. Also wasn't funny. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:41, 28 October 2010 (EDT)
::Whatever. I liked it, you didn't. Lets just leave it the way it is without a caption comment.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:39, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

== Scoop Bastard ==

Why can't I remove just that one tag? I said one thing that Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave are going to be in transformers 3 and I am automatically a scoop bastard because of one thing? So what their heads were seen on set! Who cares. Not to mention the fact that the actual wikipedia says they are in DOTM, so are you going to call them scoop bastards too? I have never done anything else and because of one thing one user doesn't like I am now a scoop bastard? What kind of crap is this? I am not removing the sign your posts thing or the spelling thing, just the thing that says I "stole" information.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 14:23, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
:You posted unverified information, that means you earned the scoop tag. The term "scoopbastard" may be unfortunate, but that is the name of the tag. What Wikipedia says is irrelevant. No official notice of them being in the movie had been released as of the time you added the information and the tag was added to your page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:29, 31 October 2010 (EDT)
::So, I will just have to deal with it. Ok. Look, I can tell i have been getting on your nerves recently. I would just want to apologize for that. It's been a stressful week.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:40, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::Just make sure to keep the advice in mind in the future. After a long while (say, this time next year) you can move all of this old stuff to an archive page linked to your talk page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:32, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::OK, Thanks for the help. Sorry for the trouble.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:31, 3 November 2010 (EDT)

== BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Editor_XXV/Archive#20_January_2011 Enjoy]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:12, 23 January 2011 (EST)
:At least they came to the correct conclusion. People CAN agree without being the same person, even if others don't like what they agree on. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:51, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== Good ==

now i'm A-1, thanks

--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 16:58, 2 April 2011 (EDT)

==Still pretty confused==
I read the disambig but am kind of in the dark. How many pages should be in a category before it is needed? I thought 2 was minimum, I get if it's a higher number but I'm wondering if the guideline's written somewhere so I can be consistant and know what to look for prior to creating anymore.

I'm also not sure why Sumdac should redirect to Isaac Sumdac rather than Sari or being a disambig for the two. Couldn't either of them be referred to like this? Plus "Sari" redirects to Sari Sumdac yet the redirect from Isaac to Isaac Sumdac isn't allowed? I guess I'm not sure, it's like the dad's never called by his given name nor Sari by her surname, very confusing. [[User:Tyciol|Ty]] 01:17, 31 May 2011 (EDT)
:Categories generally require at least 7 members. Disambiguation pages are only created when there are at least 3 items with the same name. When there are just two, the unmodified name should redirect to one of them. Since "Sumdac" is used for Isaac most often, it redirects to him. Since there are no other "Isaac's", typing Isaac into the search box will automatically bring him up in the list. The "Sari Sumdac" page was created as "Sari" and later moved, leaving a redirect behind. It probably could be deleted, I'll make the recommendation.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:04, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

== Re: HOF ==

I based the inclusion on the toys shown at the Hall of Fame. Check them out [http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.228373357188447.77714.166004856758631 here]. I'm still waiting on the tribute videos to go online to see if Hasbro counts ''Cybertron'' Soundwave. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 12:37, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think you're putting a little too much emphasis on which toys were used for these rather random displays. For example, no RID Prime or Megatron is present in the displays but Hasbro said that no version of OP or Megs was eligible for the fan votes as they were automatically inducted as part of the first class. Similar language was used to exclude any version of Ironhide etc in this year's voting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::I doubt they were that random. I don't think Hasbro considers ''Energon'' Ironhide the same character because he's a kid-appeal character as opposed to Optimus's gruff right-hand bot. That's why I'm waiting on the videos for a final check: we used the videos to determine which pages went into the category last year and mentioned the odd exception (the RID versions in their notes). [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)

== Username Origin ==

(Original section title: Uh...) Where'd you get your name from? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:44, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:It was the magic word used by the Silver Age Blue Beetle. I think I may have misspelled it, though. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:40, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
::I think you've got it right— that's how they spell it in the Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes) comics (which are excellent), although I believe they put a space or a hyphen or somesuch in the middle. Nice username, strong approval, etc. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:13, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
::Just to be a completist (I'm in the right place for that, yes?) I looked it up, and officially nowadays there's no second H ("da" instead of "dha"). Close enough for government work, though. --[[User:Bobcat2022|Bobcat2022]] 23:17, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I think it's varied all over the place over the years. I've seen "kaji dha", "khaji da" and "khaji dha". I just kind of went with what looked coolest to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 00:48, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Gaea ==

Sorry about that. I didn't see that the note was a recent addition, and thought it was meant to be there.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.165|192.249.47.165]] 18:04, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Brawl ==

While I agree that the entire script should not appear in the quotes section, what is there is far from approaching that.

Furthermore, I feel that the quotes I added are significant & add to the section since:
1) One shows a recurring theme of Spike's romantic interests and
2) The other is an rather adult quote for a kids show, much more deserving of the higher PG rating than the "bloody" comment. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the reason it got that rating.

I didn't randomly pick these, and put some thought into it. I would argue that there are other quotes that add less to the section, but more importantly, the section is not so big that it would constitute the "entire script". Other episodes have larger quote sections with many more superficial quotes.
:1)The recurring theme of Spike's romances is better handled as a note than a quote. 2)I think you are rather reaching for your adult interpretation. 3)We have been [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Hey.2C_I.27ve_got_a_new_user_talk_page_template_request...|having discussions]] here about reducing quote sections. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:53, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
::About the quote, Wise has said in an interview (I think the same one that said that Dion died) the visual with the screw was intentional, so I wouldn't be surprised about the quote. But that too would be better for a note than quote. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:24, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Interesting, Geewunling. I meant to mention earlier that part of why I had said what I said about the "entire script" was that (at least) one of the quotes that Brawl added was a continuation of a quote that was already there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:30, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== Comprised ==

God bless you for correcting people's use of "comprised". Srsly. [[User:JW|JW]] 12:48, 12 July 2011 (EDT)
:My personal little grammatical bugbear. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:22, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

== Midnight Express ==

Revision history of "Midnight Express (RID)"
* (cur) (last) 20:05, 8 October 2011 Khajidha (Talk | contribs) (11,588 bytes) (all English variants are valid)

Fair enough, but why remove the Brave homage that I thought should be pointed out? <=I
:Mainly because I didn't notice that you had added something, I just took the page back to how it had been before you changed English variants. Looking back at it, I don't mind if that is re-added. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:15, 21 October 2011 (EDT)

Alrighty then, I'll be adding it back. --[[User:Cannonfodder4000|Cannonfodder4000]] 11:09, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

== Karussell ==

I brought some sense into it: [[Karussell]]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:44, 31 October 2011 (EDT)
:Thanks, this is such a neglected corner of the history of the brand that any information is greatly appreciated. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:08, 31 October 2011 (EDT)

== Laserbeak (Prime) ==

I was reverting the 208 IP's caption-bastardry, which he had already gotten a warning for on his talk page. Am I not supposed to touch captions at all as an anon, even to revert bastardry?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:24, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry, I missed the fact that you were reverting. Go right ahead with that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:51, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
::Oh! Well, thanks then, I'll get that done in a jiff.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 16:38, 4 November 2011 (EDT)

==Voting==
You can't vote for Grimlock or Shockwave. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:37, 23 February 2012 (EST)
:Sorry, I missed the listings for this year's automatic inductees. I've fixed that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 23 February 2012 (EST)

==IMAGE==
excuse me can you say me where i can find some movie page without image?
[[user:Shockwave1704]]

ops sorry but sometimes i don't know how to entitle my image
[[user:Shockwave1704]]

==Frank Welker==

ah it's for this reason that soundwave spoke an american accent in roft[[user:Shockwave1704]]

==G. I. Joe==

Which articles are you talking about?

The bit about the first Joe / TF crossover came from digging out my copy of issue #2 and updating Hawk's profile.

For the individual Joes, every time I touch the flavor text on an article it either comes straight from the file cards (what we TF fans know as tech specs) or from an official source such as the Order of Battle series. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 17:26, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
:I was asking about the individual characters. GI Joe file cards and the Order of Battle series are valid sources for a GI Joe wiki, but not for a Transformers one as they are not TF fiction. GI Joe-only fiction cannot be used as a source here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:41, 2 April 2012 (EDT)
::I've been '''creating''' Joe articles for a year now (give or take), in each case using the material to help do the flavor text, and with one or two exceptions no one's said anything before now. In fact, I'm the guy who created the articles on Joes like Wild Bill, Mutt, and Dial-Tone. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 08:49, 5 April 2012 (EDT)

== Darkwing ==

Uh, the reason I did that was because the note was stretching out and covering part of the pic. (At least that's what happens on my screen.....) --[[Special:Contributions/81.164.215.61|81.164.215.61]] 12:00, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
:On my screen, your version left great heaping gobs of white space while the previous version had a broken note template. Perhaps we should let someone else weigh in on this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:08, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

== Fish/Pelycosaur ==

First off, please don't interpret this as an argument, 'cause I know I'm not as familiar with pelycosaurs as I'd like to be, and I'm just curious here.

Regarding your edit to Dinosaur (dinosaur), you basically said that pelycosaur is to dinosaur as fish is to human, rather than dolphin is to human. I'm kind of confused about that, since aren't pelycosaurs and dinosaurs at least part of the same class Reptilia, while fish would be a totally different class? Or is this a timescale thing?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 18:02, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
:Pelycosaurs are not part of Reptilia as currently defined. Pelycosaurs and mammals are both part of Synapsida. It was not meant as a straightforward comparison, but rather a rough indication of the genetic distance between the two groups. Saying that a human is a fish is actually a more valid comparison, as mammals derive from groups commonly considered "fish" while neither dinosaurs nor pelycosaurs derived from the other. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:28, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

== Shattered Glass Wreck-Gar ==
"Do some actual work"? This isn't a bloody office job, you know. We're doing this in our spare time, and this site isn't supposed to be taken all that seriously, in case you hadn't noticed. I don't see what the problem is. You've said "policy is to revert" if the user hasn't done much else, but I had a look at the policies and I didn't see that. Besides, isn't inserting a vaguely relevant movie quote appropriate for a page about a character who speaks entirely in quotes? There was even a setup line there that I only had to tweak a little bit. How is that hurting the article? --[[User:Magnus Prime|Magnus Prime]], 17 May 2012
:Yes, we are doing it in our spare time. BUT, there is a point to this website: it is a source of information about the Transformers brand and all of its components. If you are here to add to that, do so. If you are here just to show that you are funny, we're not interested. While the page is called [[Transformers Wiki:Caption]], it has always been interpreted as applying to ALL humor here. Also, you may notice that someone else had reverted your changes the first time you made them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:18, 17 May 2012 (EDT)
::Alright, you win. --[[User:Magnus Prime|Magnus Prime]], 17 May 2012

== Not a Lame excuse ==
that "error" about Mikaela wasnt a lame excuse to look at Megan, i am not fully into girls yet, i just thought it was a mistake and i posted it

== Sentient ==

According to the American Heritage Dictionary, the only correct pronunciation of "sentient" is so that it rhymes with "patient". What source are you using that approves of "sen-tee-ent"? [[User:JW|JW]] 22:09, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
:Both are given at [http://www.macmillandictionary.com/pronunciation/american/sentient Macmillan Dictionary], [http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/sentient Oxford Learners Dictionary] and [http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/sentient Merriam-Webster]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:42, 20 July 2012 (EDT)
:: Hurm. Wisdom received. [[User:JW|JW]] 21:55, 21 July 2012 (EDT)

== About Kup ==

My joke was a lot better than "I don't even like ice cream!" What does that joke have to do with Kup? Nothing.
:"________ callrd, he wants his ________ back" is not a good joke. Neither is "Not _______". Or any of the other things you tried. That's why you were reverted by several other people as well. The main point though, is that adding captions is a privilege that must be earned by making actual edits that add to the information available from this wiki. We don't exist just to make jokes, you know. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:30, 3 October 2012 (EDT)

==Re: Springer Edits==

I wasn't being sexist about Arcee. I was suggesting that Rodimus (or the show) was being sexist about Arcee. But be honest; between G1 Arcee, Grimlock (ANY continuity) and G1 Springer, who would ''you'' choose? But while Springer certainly didn't want Roddy to die, his attitude towards getting the Matrix seemed to be a combination of "I don't want to be leader" and "Rodimus must be delirious to pick me". [[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 10:23, 9 November 2012 (EST)

== KB Toys ==

Are you sure the clear Spychangers KB Toys exclusive in ''Car Robots''? KB Toys is an American company, after all. --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 16:44, 6 February 2013 (EST)
:I was going off the individual pages, if that is wrong go ahead and change them. All the RID Spychangers need to be gone back over again. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:12, 7 February 2013 (EST)
::You're talking about the Hasbro versions. The part you edited was about the Takara versions, and the character pages say the clear Takara versions are variants, not exclusives. --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 10:43, 7 February 2013 (EST)
:::Oh. I must have gotten confused. I'll fix it, if you haven't already. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:58, 7 February 2013 (EST)
::::I have, but thanks! --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 11:03, 7 February 2013 (EST)

== Template:Comicstory/doc ==

You do realise editing the documentation page doesn't actually do anything, yes? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:26, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
:No, I didn't. How do you change things, then? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:59, 1 May 2013 (EDT)
::In [[Template:Comicstory]], add this to a likely spot (obviously replacing <nowiki>{{{variable x|}}}/'''Variable X'''</nowiki> with the relevant variable.
<pre><nowiki>|-
{{#if: {{{variable x|}}} |
{{!}}'''Variable X''' {{!}}{{!}} {{{variable x|}}}}}
|-</nowiki></pre>
::- [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:47, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
:::Thanks. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:56, 2 May 2013 (EDT)

== Your Revenge of Bruticus edit ==

I'm confused as to the intent of [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=The_Revenge_of_Bruticus&curid=14359&diff=821316&oldid=821077 this edit]. Your edit reason is about something being too much speculation, and about confusing "implicit" with "explicit", but all the actual edit did was just restore a note I removed. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:00, 14 August 2013 (EDT)
:Sorry, meant to go back one more revision. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:35, 14 August 2013 (EDT)
::Hello. So, could the note on the fake Bruticus be reverted without the explanation given? It still seems a significant plot hole to me. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Skywarp|Skywarp]] [[User talk:Skywarp|Skywarp]] 22:40, 14 August 2013 (EDT)

== nbsp ==

It keeps the names from being split across two lines at smaller browser window sizes. Can it be readded?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 10:07, 19 February 2014 (EST)
:Sure, I just did it. I had removed them as Mimi had readded them without a reason after Primeformer had asked for one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:19, 19 February 2014 (EST)

== "Boy racer" ==

Slang in UK for a new driver - usually young and male, hence the name - who speeds, etc. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 12:43, 20 February 2015 (EST)
:Huh. I still fail to see how he could have a "boy racer" as an altmode, then. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:57, 20 February 2015 (EST)
::Same way you can have a rapper car, or a footballer car. It's a car associated with the stereotype.
::(You will, of course, notice I didn't revert your revert. This is purely for reference!). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 13:57, 20 February 2015 (EST)

== Cerebros disambiguation ==

Sorry about that. I meant to link to the Wikipedia article for the X-Men computer Cerebro. Which I wanted to get another opinion on, do you suppose it would be useful for this wiki? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:07, 21 July 2015 (EDT)
:Probably not directly helpful. The cerebrum one can probably stay, as it is the source of the name and is somewhat funny, but an X-Men reference is probably a little too much. You might could add a joke of some sort based on it to one of the character pages, but I am not in a position to give you permission to do so. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:10, 21 July 2015 (EDT)
::Gotcha, thanks. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:15, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

==More GoBots==
On community portal. Check it out. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 21:30, 6 January 2016 (EST)

== Question ==

Hi, um. Bit of an awkward question, but are you trans? And if so, which pronouns do you prefer? Sorry if I'm bothering you. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:59, 19 June 2016 (EDT)
:Not a bother at all. I am a dual-role transvestite. I have both a male and a female identity. I do not wish to transition, but am uncomfortable if I am not able to be my femme-self for long periods of time. I prefer that people use the pronouns that match my presentation at the time. On here you can use whichever you wish. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 04:51, 20 June 2016 (EDT)

==Hi Guy/Gal==

Hi, i'm Norev Durok.

I see you're not too happy about the "Seeker Scout" page that I've created.
--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]]
:Hi, Norev. I'm actually happy someone is trying to write up the Seeker Scouts (it's been a red link for a while), but there are some problems with the page. The paragraph under "Decepticon campaign" should start with a capital letter and should be written "in universe". Talking about "intro sequences" and "Autobot and Decepticon Campaigns" is "out of universe". Remember to write about the events as if they actually happened, not as part of a game. I'm also not clear about what the caption is trying to say. Do not take any of this as an attack on you, I just want you to become the best editor you can be.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 21:24, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

Hi, Khajidha. Ok then, i'll see if I can give it a few more edits, i'm glad that you're happy about completing this pages. Trust me when I say that the Seeker Scouts won't be the only page that it's going from "Red link to Blue link".

Also, what happened to:

"Omnibot Scout 1",
"Omnibot Scout 2",
"Omnibot Warrior",
"Aerialbot Warrior",
and
"Seeker Warrior"?

Because before I've even started to complete this pages, some of them indicate that the pages did actually had some info, but were deleted.--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).
:I think that most of those pages had been made before, but they were nowhere near complete and did not follow our layout or writing styles. Rather than have poorly constructed pages, it was decided to delete them until someone came along with the knowledge and will to complete them properly.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:36, 22 August 2016 (EDT)

::Ok then, but i'll need help if i'm gonna complete those page, voice actors for example, let's say that "I don't have a good ear for voice acting"..--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).
:::That's fine. You don't have to do everything, but some of the previous attempts were thoroughly lacking. You are already well ahead of them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:08, 22 August 2016 (EDT)
Ok then, i'll fill them with a few more info.--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).

==Unused Content?==

Hi, it's Norev Durok again.

Question: should any unused content be posted here?

I know It may be "out of universe", but I know that there's so much unused content in "Transformers: The Game", that if it have been used, it would have explained so much things about the game.

examples:

Autobot Campaign: it would explain why Bonecrusher is nowhere to be found.

Decepticon Campaign: it would explain why Bumblebee is nowhere to be found after "Level 2", when "level 3"'s ending states that Bumblebee survived and has got the Allspark, but in "level 4" it is Jazz who has the Allspark. *1.

*1: I say "Level X" because I don't remember those levels names.--[[User:Norev Durok|Norev Durok]] ([[User talk:Norev Durok|talk]]).

== Yooo ==

Your userpic and caption is friggin amazing [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 02:21, 29 January 2017 (EST)

== Script readings and other stuff ==

Dunno if you noticed, but there's been some stuff digged up recently that was missing/unavailable to the public for the time being. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B7b1Q4_nEXnZWlpCUHRnZ2ozdTA
https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/129168-searching-for-old-club-content/

Hope you enjoy. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:04, 31 January 2017 (EST)
:Nifty!--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:42, 31 January 2017 (EST)

== edit I made to Kremzeek ==

How do you mean where you say 'that's not a triumph, that's a joke'? The Decepticons '''do''' triumph over the Autobots, in this episode (since, like I said, which is even my '''source''' for my edit, I've '''seen''' the episode, and the Autobots '''still''' aren't rid of Kremzeek at the '''end''' of the episode). [[User:Chris rabbit|Chris rabbit]] ([[User talk:Chris rabbit|talk]]) 10:59, 4 April 2017 (EDT)Chris rabbit
:I've seen it, too, and the clear implication is that the Autobots are going to defeat that Kremzeek as well. Otherwise there would be no further episodes. It's a joke, a "here we go again" gag.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:05, 4 April 2017 (EDT)

==my edit on The Latest RID episode==
So your edit Says Fixed Grammer Spelling and all that, and out of universe context,
My synopis I thought was just fine, When I removed the Pictures a mistake, and I didn't know how to get them back,
But While my Synopious wasn't that great, It was something to hold over til a proper Edit was made, plus I thought it had decent humour, So instead of Letting it stay until a proper Synopios was placed, or just simply putting back the pictures, Why did you Trmoved my hard Work? I would like a explanation, (sorry for my bad typing t this moment, I only have my phone to use RN)
** You specifically point out that it's a crap edit in the edit summary. That clearly tells us it wasn't "just fine". [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 10:22, 31 October 2017 (EDT)

User talk:Abates

2017-09-20T01:14:30Z

Item42: /* Jolt in the Last Knight */

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==To-Do List==
===Operation: Screen Captures===
I don't know which episodes these are from - feel free to tag them with {{tl|MFcap}} or {{tl|Energoncap}} if you know!
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Image:Diver suiton.jpg|Diver from Masterforce
Image:EnergonGeneric.jpg|Some dude from Energon
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==Pages to delete for moves==
Since, obviously, it's hard to pick those out from all of my automated edits, the following pages need to be deleted so that articles can be moved: [[BuggyMan]], [[Big Convoy]], [[Legion]]. I'll let you know if there's any other ones. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 07:46, 12 March 2016 (EST)
:[[Red Wing]] still needs to be deleted so Red Wing (MW) can be moved. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:52, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
::Oh! My apologies. I was flying through them and didn't notice that one had a different deletion reason. I'll try to take better care to check the deletion reason in future. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:23, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
:::It's alright! Thanks for getting to that. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:27, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
If you get the time, could you delete the following: [[Airachnid]], [[Dalton]], [[Kicker]], [[Headlock]]? All of the [[Hot Rod (G1)]] redirects probably need to be deleted too, since we have TLK Hot Rod now. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 06:26, 3 January 2017 (EST)

Thanks for the above. Could you also take care of [[Blitz]]? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:26, 5 January 2017 (EST)
:And [[Thunder]], now I've noticed it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:15, 6 January 2017 (EST)
::No problem! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:18, 6 January 2017 (EST)

Can you move "[[Sparky|Sparky (Robotix)]]" to "Sparky"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:49, 8 January 2017 (EST)
:As well as "[[Beamer|Beamer (Autobot)]]", "[[Ace|Ace (G.I. Joe)]]", "[[Bolt|Bolt (G1)]]", "[[Twister|Twister (Armada)]]", "[[Boomer|Boomer (G1)]]", "[[Loco|Loco (RID)]]", "[[Pincher (G1)]]", and "[[Gong|Gong (Go-Bots)]]"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:17, 8 January 2017 (EST)
::Some of those didn't actually need an admin to move them (it's only if the target redirect has been edited that you need to have admin privileges) but they're all done now anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:40, 8 January 2017 (EST)
:::Thanks, abates! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:49, 8 January 2017 (EST)
Can you move "[[Obsidian (Kre-O)|Obsidian (Kre-O combiner)]]" to "Obsidian (Kre-O)"? And "[[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]" to "Hot Rod (G1)"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:39, 21 January 2017 (EST)

Can you move "[[Slash|Slash (AOE)]]" to "Slash"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:46, 23 February 2017 (EST)
:Done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:50, 23 February 2017 (EST)
::Thanks! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:51, 23 February 2017 (EST)

== Image upload preview ==

Hey abates, are you aware of how the summary box Preview button when uploading an image works? Looking to get it on the IDW Hasbro Wiki, but I can't find anything relating to it in either of the TFWiki CSS files, and have no idea how else it could be triggered. Thanks. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 07:10, 3 January 2017 (EST)
:It's in [[MediaWiki:Common.js]], should be easy to spot! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:07, 3 January 2017 (EST)
::Ah, excellent, forgot that was a thing! Thanks! [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 18:05, 3 January 2017 (EST)
:::I keep meaning to get around to changing it to filter out the error message that comes back with the preview, but if you want to have a try, feel free! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:37, 3 January 2017 (EST)
::::Oh, pfft, I'm not sure my meager JS knowledge would stretch to that... On a related note, though, I've yet to actually get this working on the IDW wiki. Don't think it's cache related since it's been a couple of days now. D'you know if there are any other chunks of code the preview function needs to work, or is it more likely to be some random incompatibility with ShoutWiki's MediaWiki installation? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:57, 5 January 2017 (EST)
:::::ShoutWiki is using Mediawiki 1.28 versus our 1.19, so I think it's likely to be something's changed between versions that broke the Javascript. I tried Googling to see if there was an update to the preview code (not sure where Derik got it from), but it looks like [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Live_preview preview is now built in] possibly. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:34, 5 January 2017 (EST)

===And another thing...===
Sorry for more queries, but d'you know if there's a potential tweak to [[gbwiki:Template:Nav|Template:Nav]] on GBWiki that would put the logo above the text box, on the right, instead over in the middle? I've figured the right alignment but don't know enough markup to get it up above the box... Thanks. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 14:37, 9 January 2017 (EST)
:The whole thing's already in a table, so you should be able to just change style="width: 100%;" at the top to style="float: right" and add a |- to start a new row right after the imagemap. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 9 January 2017 (EST)

== Fistfight (SG) ==

Thanks for [[User_talk:Rhymus#Fistfight|letting me know]] why you reverted my [[Fistfight (SG)]] edit. [[Transhuman]] explicitly states his colors, and since ''This character has no official visual representation whatsoever... yet, at least''... i thought the article should mention his deco. And, since so many SG characters take their color schemes from their G1 namesakes' rivals, Tyrannitron (partnered with one of the Dinobots, known for squaring off against Shockwave) seemed like a good guess at [[authorial intent]]--but it ''is'' just a guess. ([[Catgut]] is orange and black, too.) Hopefully this is cleared up in a more concise, humorous fashion in my new edit.
--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 21:02, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:Wait, when did Tyrannitron square off against Shockwave? His only fiction seems to be [[Games of Deception]], and the summary for that seems to suggest Shockwave was reduced to a head at the time. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:09, 23 January 2017 (EST)
::Sorry. What I meant was, the G1 Dinobots are known for squaring off against G1 Shockwave, G1 Tyrannitron is a G1 Dinobot's partner and G1 Fistfight is G1 Shockwave's partner, so it makes sense to me that G1 Tyrannitron likely inspired SG Fistfight's deco. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 00:31, 20 February 2017 (EST)
:::That sounds like a bit of a leap to me! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:32, 20 February 2017 (EST)

==Captions==
Dude I think I might have screwed up the CW Powerglide section I tried to do a caption but I made the pic too big can you fix it and tell me how to caption pics proper i'm new here [[User:Sharpshot45|Sharpshot45]] ([[User talk:Sharpshot45|talk]]) 20:39, 15 March 2017 (EDT)
:Hi, as I mentioned on your talk page, we prefer that new users make significant contributions to the wiki before they start adding captions to images, as adding images is regarded as a perk of contributing to the wiki. Otherwise tons of people would sign up just to add captions to pictures and nothing important would get done. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:35, 15 March 2017 (EDT)

dude can you teach me how to properly caption [[User:Sharpshot45|Sharpshot45]] ([[User talk:Sharpshot45|talk]]) 18:04, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
:The caption is included in the coding for the image like <nowiki>[[File:Wiki.png|frame|left|The logo for this Wiki]]</nowiki> - you can read more about formatting on [[Help:Editing]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:16, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

==Transformers The Last Knight's Characters==
You add Quintessa, Bulldog and the Infernocons to the Transformers The Last Knight page. [[User:Lockhqu|Lockhqu]] ([[User talk:Lockhqu|talk]]) 16:15, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
:Pal, I don't know if English is your primary language or not, but most people consider it customary to talk with more humility, especially to a site admin. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:45, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
::Additionally, of those names only Quintessa has a primary, non-leaked source, and there's nothing not-leaked to link it to the space lady in the trailer. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 18:10, 12 April 2017 (EDT)
:Lockhqu, please post requests for character additions on [[Talk:Transformers: The Last Knight (film)]], though you will need to include a link to where those characters have been officially revealed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:21, 12 April 2017 (EDT)

==Optimus Primal==
Can you move "Optimus Primal" to "Optimus Primal (BW)"? I'm not entirely sure how to deal with the suite. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:04, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
:All done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 01:29, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks, abates. Can you also restore "[[Sureshock (disambiguation)]]" and "[[Hardhead (BWN)|Hard Head]]"? I know it's easy to recreate those pages, but I like history. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:13, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Hard Head was just a redirect, so there's not really anything to restore. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:20, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
Can you move "LGC-8803" to "Metascan Omega" and restore "[[Nightbird (disambiguation)]]"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:41, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
:Done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:13, 10 June 2017 (EDT)
Can you restore [[Template:TRNightbeatMold]]? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:19, 11 July 2017 (EDT)
:Yep! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:04, 11 July 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:13, 11 July 2017 (EDT)
:::And "[[Salvo (G.I. Joe)]]" and "[[Ginrai (disambiguation)]]"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:51, 11 July 2017 (EDT)
Barring any objections, can you move "Adventure Team (G.I. Joe)" to "Adveture Team"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:51, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

Something's glitching about [[:File:RIDart-Bludgeon.jpg]]. Can you delete the whole thing so that I can re-upload a good version? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:21, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

Might I ask you to restore "[[Flak (disambiguation)]]" and "[[Deadlock (disambiguation)]]"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:55, 21 July 2017 (EDT)

Can you move "Excavator Autobot" to "[[Trench]]"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:16, 28 July 2017 (EDT)
:Yep, done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:36, 29 July 2017 (EDT)

== Seed ==

In AOE, Optimus said he was going to hide it somewhere. I think this should be adressed in the Last Knight notes section.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 12:43, 30 June 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, that's fine. It's speculating what actually happened to it that's out. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:46, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

== ''Robots in Disguise'' episode summaries ==

Hi, I was just wondering, where exactly do you get the episode titles and summaries for ''Robots in Disguise''? [[User:Panagiotis Zois|Panagiotis Zois]] ([[User talk:Panagiotis Zois|talk]]) 10:31, 1 July 2017 (EDT)
:Online listing sites like tvguide and zap2it, mainly! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:15, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

== comics placement ==

You said: "(I am not sure why the comic that doesn't have any Transformers in is prominently listed before the comic that is actually about Transformers)"

I agree, but when I'm updating the list of months worth of comics, it's easier for me to keep them in the same order as the publishing site so I don't make an error or leave something out. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 20:12, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
:I figured it was something along those lines, since they were in alphabetical order by title. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:59, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

== Deletion needed... ==

Apologies for the bother, but could I request that the first revision of [[:File:RiD2015 - Guilty As Charged - The Verdict Is Passed.jpg]] be deleted? I got distracted midway through preparing to upload (going to check the credits to see if they were presenting him as Dropforge, and being dissapointed when he was just "Proctor #1") and forgot I hadn't hit 'save' before completing the initial upload. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 14:56, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
:Sorted! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:11, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks! - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 16:33, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

== Jolt in the Last Knight ==

Hi I only want to say that adding Jolt to the characters is necessary. He died in the Canon comics, so this has sense, that´s why is a cameo.
:The problem is that the head in the video you linked to does not look like Jolt. They even display Jolt's head right next to it, and the two heads don't look the same. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:03, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
:There is in the movie he is a cameo and also there is a Fire Brothers video about this.--[[User:Crosshairs|Crosshairs]] 20:03, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
::That is not Jolt's head. That is a fusion of Ironhide and Starscream's heads. Just cause some Youtuber said it is doesn't mean it's Jolt. What is so hard to understand about that. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:13, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
::::That a random video exists does not change the fact that the head does not look like Jolt's. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 21:14, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2016-08-21T04:32:09Z

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This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

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<div class="list-header">'''Moving From Wikia:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving|Arriving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving|Leaving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|Complaints]]
 <div class="list-header">'''New Ad Policy:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads|Ads]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Bookworm Database-Crash:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central|Damage Control Central]]
* [[Project:Bookworm Crash]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving2|Leaving Take 2]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Server Move:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2|Arriving Take 2]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Relicensing:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
 <div class="list-header">'''GoBots Sister Wiki:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Wiki Technical Information:'''</div>
* [[Transformers_Wiki:Tech|A Not So Brief Summary of the Horrible Things That McFly and Co. Have Done To Keep This Wiki From Melting Down]]
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==Gobots Sister Wiki Progress==
Has anyone ever made any progress on the Gobots sister wiki? I have no experience in creating wikis, but would love to see this get made. -[[User:Halfshell25|Halfshell25]] ([[User talk:Halfshell25|talk]]) 19:21, 22 June 2016 (EDT)

== Template proposal ==

I'm getting really sick of cleaning up fiction note templates, so, hey, here's an idea. Every single one from now on has to actually be brought up here before the community before it's implemented and not done willy-nilly by one person or a small group of editors. I realize that, as a wiki, we are going to inherently have continuity boners, but the recent trend of drowning character pages in notes is annoying and intrusive. The idea that we need to mention every point of continuity minutiae even in articles like fucking [[universal greeting]] is obnoxious and needs to ''stop''. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:13, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:I agree. Things like "Regeneration One is a continuation of the Marvel Comics continuity" don't need to be in the middle of character write-ups. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 12:30, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::The Marvel thing is a unique case that at least is relevant to character write ups—it tells readers that the Marvel UK stuff mixed into the Marvel US stuff doesn't count. (Of course, this only applies to articles that actually have sections for the original Marvel comics.) The text in the notes could stand to be trimmed down, though. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:53, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::Do you have some other examples of unnecessary notes we could discuss specifically? I caught the 2001 Car Robots note you mentioned from [[universal greeting]], and I agree it's pointless unless there's actually an RiD vs. CR distinction to be made. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 13:04, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::::Wings, Classics, RG1 on pages without the continuity they're referring to. Ask Vector Prime. I'm bringing this up now because we need to develop a better way of vetting templates that are theoretically going to be used on many pages. One or two "yes" reponses on some hidden talk page most people don't notice shouldn't be used as a community-wide consensus on things that dramatically alter the reading experience across multiple pages. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:12, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::::And looking at the other stuff we have, Template:Notecmn could easily be made as part of the actual prose and flow more naturally that way, for example. ("In a divergent timeline, blahblah"). [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:17, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::::And there's [[:Template:Notemoviebio]], which explains what is a regular occurrence in all of Transformers fiction for no real reason. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:19, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::::::A similar one is [[:Template:Notetitantlg]], which I tried to make pointless when we overhauled the movie character pages a while back and which I think we ditched ''most'' uses of, but is still out there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:22, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::::::Not quite the same situation, but I'd like to chime in that I'm not a big fan of [[:Template:ongoing]]. Most of the time, editors completely forget to include it on the appropriate sections, it reiterates something that's obvious ("if there's information missing here, you should add it.") and it's a note that only gets put up so that it can be eventually be taken down. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 13:27, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::::::::I agree that it's quite useless when we already have stub templates. Either information is missing or it isn't and people just leave it up on pages that really don't need it because it's not that noticeable. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:33, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::::::::Ehhhhhn. I'm willing to let "ongoing" live, as, well, there's a TON of "dead" fictions and only a few currently-updating ones, and letting people know which ones are likely to actually ''continue'' and not just be a storyline dead-end is at least marginally informative. "Stub" can mean "it came out already and no-one's bothered yet", which is... different than "this cuts off because the scheduled continuation hasn't come out yet". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 08:12, 10 January 2016 (EST)
::::Also, if you find yourself overburdened with certain tasks, don't be afraid to ask for help. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 13:08, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::::Thanks for taking care of the CR note. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:12, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::::::No prob. As for the RG1 note, I agree that it would look nicer as a single line of text. I'm having difficulty reducing it in length without leaving out something crucial though. I'm putting it on the back-burner for now, but I'll keep it in mind. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 13:18, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::::::Tried cutting it down a bit. The G2 bit was redundant. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:43, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::::::::Ah yes. Much better. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 13:48, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::::::::Yeah, that's equally informative, but also far less intrusive. Nice work, Saix -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 13:53, 8 January 2016 (EST)
I just wanna say that I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks we have too many goddamned templates. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:03, 8 January 2016 (EST)

Two templates for discussion: Template:TransformersComicMagazin and [[:Template:GIJoeTransformersfiction]]. Necessary or not? I feel like the former states what's already obvious by the fact that it's in its own section ("Comic-Magazin is not Marvel"), while I dunno about the latter. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:43, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:Transformers Magazin could probably be done without. The {Gi joe transformers fiction} one, on the other hand, should probably be kept. With the way we use the {noteukonly} and generally treat the US and UK comics, I feel that we kinda need to point out "hey, unlike just about everything else from Marvel US, ''this'' doesn't actually fit into the Marvel UK 'verse." -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 15:53, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::The Joe one is terrible. It's just plopped into the middle of fiction write-ups with no specification as to what text it refers to. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 16:04, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::Yeah, I can understand the ''purpose'', but the execution just doesn't work at all. And I don't think it belongs on the issue pages. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:06, 8 January 2016 (EST)
===Collapsable continuity notes?===
I don't do much fiction-section work anymore, but if I can identify part of the problem ''with the fiction itself''... unlike most franchises, TFs has a metric fuckton of "major" divergent splinter timelines. I mean, how many different Marvel G1 comic timeline spinoffs do we have now that don't actually relate to each other? It can be difficult at first look of a page to tell the difference between a series of proper, one-timeline sequel-series and, well, the clusterfuck that is post-Marvel-G1-related stuff branching out like a hydra. So I'm loathe to just run with the "well everyone reading thew wiki should know this" mentality. 
So, can see ''why'' the templates began, but when we started getting more and more branches? A bit out of hand. And worse, it's not quite a thing the base wiki organization tools are good at adapting and making obvious. (Frankly I find it tricky to tell sometimes the difference between a <nowiki>===</nowiki>-subsection and a <nowiki>====</nowiki>-subsection, but that's another quibble for later). 
I think a good amount of this can be mitigated with some creative rewriting of the sections' openings, "ten years after the battle of Klo" or whatnot. And certainly that doesn't even need to be brought up if it's just a one-off page of a piece of minor technology from one issue of a spinoff. But for larger pages with a buttload of timeline-fragments? 
We might want to look into collapsible Notes. Just a single template that can be adapted not just for this, but, well, for anything. Whack it up top, collapsed, have it say "Continuity Note: (more)" (not as a default), then people can click on it and see "well this continuity branches off from blardeeblar and has no relation to blardeeblar". This way the clutter is minimal, the information on our confusing mess of fiction is right at the fingertips. 
Just a thought.--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:31, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:This sounds useful. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:47, 8 January 2016 (EST)

:I love this idea. Collapsable notes could solve a lot of the problems we've been having with the templates as of late. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 17:12, 8 January 2016 (EST)

:I just took a brief look at the voiceactor template, since that does basically what I'm looking at, and even that template's workings are beyond my ability to understand and adapt into a collapsible Note. So um. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:26, 8 January 2016 (EST)

::It depends how you want it to work. Something like <nowiki>{{cnote|text 1|text 2}}</nowiki> to produce:
<div class="tt1_graynote">text 1 text 2</div>
::Or just <nowiki>{{cnote|text 1}}</nowiki> and
<div class="tt1_graynote">text 1</div>
::It wouldn't be difficult to knock either of those templates up --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 09:50, 9 January 2016 (EST)
:::Expanding off of what Emvee posted here, I've worked up a collapsible note template which can display a custom header, custom visible text and hideable text that is either custom or derived from a preset name. The first draft, examples and documentation can be found here: [[User:Tigerpaw28/Sandbox/Template:CollapseNote]]. All critiques are welcome. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 18:50, 9 January 2016 (EST)
::::Is there a way to put that in a gray box so it matches with the rest of our Notes? I think this has legs. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:49, 9 January 2016 (EST)
:::::D'oh! There is. In fact, I actually did have the box but the CSS for it is only available in my personal CSS file at the moment. I'll go integrate that into the template itself for now, then once this is approved maybe it can be moved to a site wide CSS file to reduce template clutter.--[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 01:40, 10 January 2016 (EST)
:::::Okay, the CSS is now included in the template so users besides myself can see the gray box. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 01:50, 10 January 2016 (EST)
::::::I love it. Nice work, Tigerpaw. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 03:37, 10 January 2016 (EST)
::::::Seconded, good stuff. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 04:16, 10 January 2016 (EST)
::::::I'll stick the css in the common file when everyone's happy. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:29, 10 January 2016 (EST)

Speaking of notes and templates, can we also scrub the IDW notes that say ''"[[Revelation (IDW)|Revelation]] was shorter than it should've been because [[Simon Furman]] was fired."'' and the Dreamwave notes that say ''"Because Dreamwave collapsed, plot threads were left dangling."''...unless those notes are ''specifically'' contributing something to the character's page? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 13:53, 15 January 2016 (EST)
:I'd say yes. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:16, 15 January 2016 (EST)

== More Prominence for IDW ==

I'm going to propose a change, because the above discussion reminded me of something I find annoying -- the position of IDW in the Fiction sections. At this point, I believe IDW is the longest running continuous fiction in Transformers history. Yet while the 30 year cartoon and Marvel Comic are easy to pick out due to their position at the top or their multitude of subcategories, IDW is typically found near the bottom of the list, nestled in between Japanese micro-continuities, Sticker Adventures and, god help us, ''The Beast Within''. 
Is there a better configuration we could work with? I'd be supportive of a "Major Fiction" and "Minor Fiction" breakdown for the traditional "Fiction" section, if we could all peacefully agree to what counts as Major and Minor. Another thought I had was to do away with the ''Ongoing Fiction Template'', and just have "Ongoing Fiction" automatically at the top and "Previous Fiction" underneath. 
Any of this sound worth looking into more? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:08, 11 January 2016 (EST)
: Absolutely friggin' not, never or ever. Organizing fiction due to perceived prominence is counter to the very spirit this wiki was founded on. (It's also amazingly subjective and would be a headache to argue over indefinitely.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 00:36, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::Wasn't that the point of changing the disambiguation pages though? So that the more prominent stuff was at the top and had pictures to help people? [[User:Omegatron|omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:23, 12 January 2016 (EST)
:::That kind of potential slippery-sloping was why I had misgivings about that change in the first place. But Disambig pages are navigation pages, and articles are not, and I have faith that we can recognize the different needs for pages according to their utility and not just make everything the same just because it makes our brains feel superficially happier. But let me put it this way: Imagine Grapple's page. In a "we put IDW first because it's important" world, a dinky subsection in which he appears in the background twice is given precedence over a Big Looker storybook in which he is a major character. IDW isn't always super important to a character's page just because its fiction's gone on a decade! And here's the kicker -- for those folks who've appeared a buttload in IDW, those sections are split off into their own subpages and navigation at the very top of the page leads you right there, effectively already giving everyone this proposed functionality. And without losing the information of real-world chronological release order that levels the canonicity playing field, I might add. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 14:00, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::::Right. The disambiguation page thing wasn't something brought up on a whim. It's not a thing I'd propose for any other "type" of page, because disambig pages serve a different purpose than almost every other. That requires some special consideration. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:15, 12 January 2016 (EST)
:No, no, no, no and no, with a side order of no and no for dessert. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:08, 12 January 2016 (EST)

:Just throwing this out there as an alternative suggestion to moving the sections around: what do people think of the idea of bolding major sections in the table of contents, so for Optimus you'd end up with something [[:File:Contents bold test.jpg|like this]]. For the sake of preventing arguments we'd reserve it for the really prominent G1 continuities (G1 and BW cartoons, Marvel, IDW and possibly Dreamwave comics), since it's not generally a problem for other continuity families. I'm thinking this could be done very simply in CSS without having to edit a ton of pages, though it would mean that characters with only an IDW fiction section would have it bolded in their contents listing. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:30, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::That's got some potential, I think. I don't think single-fiction character with bold in their TOC would be a problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:48, 12 January 2016 (EST)

:This ties into an old proposal from way back that I'd also found in my Community Portal re-read, and was brought up on Allspark (and I'd briefly mentioned here recently); the visual differences between subheaders are really quite minimal. It's hard to tell at a look where one continuity-line ends and the other begins. there's got to be something we can do just '''''visually''''' to make these divisions easier to identify by sight. Can we make the header-text for continuity-breaks centered? If we wanna get fancy, can we make a graphic the header? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:47, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::Okay, apparently you [[User:M_Sipher/Sandbox:Fiction_header_experiment|CAN center section headers]]. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:32, 12 January 2016 (EST)
:::Did some experimenting and [[User:Tigerpaw28/Sandbox|found a way to do this]]. Requires a little bit of HTML/CSS inside the header but easily doable I think. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 23:04, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::::Since the initial concern, at least, was IDW, can someone sandbox a G1 character with an IDW section to see how that might look? [[Pipes (G1)]] seems like a good candidate, since he's got a good-sized IDW section that also isn't so big it should just be a subpage. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 23:13, 12 January 2016 (EST)

I've grown pretty iffy on using images as headers, honestly. There's a lotta "standalone" timelines that don't really have logos and having only SOME major headers be logo images... ehhhhhn. Might be best to just stick with text, maybe a thin bar above, with a wiki-wide change to a thicker tier-1-header-bar. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:12, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Actually? Second thoughts, no. This would likely start too many arguments. [[User:Sky Shadow|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow|talk]]) 10:05, 13 January 2016 (EST)

Another proposal after I had a thought just now: [[:File:H3 dashed overlines.jpg|dashed overlines]]. The difference should be enough to differentiate from the underlines on h2s, and they nicely group together related stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:46, 26 January 2016 (EST)

==The Goal Of The Wiki==
(slight editing of something I posted to the Allspark's wiki thread)

A little while back I decided to rummage through the Community Portal archives... from the beginning. The earliest stages, when we were hammering out how to lay out the damn pages, what we should disambiguate by, etc. Saw the suggestions for making information more readily-accessible (character appearance tables, the GO! Box, the navigation templates), the "common wiki" practices we rejected because they just could not apply to this franchise (character infoboxes, for example, thanks to the many many many bodies the characters could have), up through the big move away from Wikia when they started really fucking us over with their ads.

And during that lonnnnng string of arguments with Wikia staff, when we tried (repeatedly) to explain why this "only not-signed-in readers will see the ads so why are you complaining since you don't see the page-ruining ads see this will somehow make money!" thing was utter bullshit...

:''"We create the content on this wiki FOR casual readers."''

Re-read that. '''''RE-FUCKING-READ THAT.'''''

The wiki lost that mentality somewhere. At some point in the last few years, the wiki stopped being about the readers, what would make the vast ocean of material accessible and entertaining to them. It became a micro-minutia-based circlejerk. It became editors confusing anal-retentive busywork (based on the strictest interpretation of rules that always were meant to be applied with a slight degree of malleability because our subject matter absolutely HAS to be handled that way) with productive and useful updating. And with the advent of the Facebook AVP, it became "gee now I can make Real Transformers wheeeeee" with even more micro-minutia and bad-faith gaming of the canon policy that was originally meant to give equal space to the obscure so we wouldn't have the "prominence = more deserving" mentality (plus stuff very specifically made to create circumstances to middle-finger policies that have served us well for a decade prior).

Thus, people who've worked for a decade to make the wiki something huge and special and a wiki other fandoms look at and go "holy shit, we need something like this" find themselves frustrated and edging away as the spirit of the whole thing turns into this sour, solipsistic nigh-gatekeepery up-its-own-ass wank festival, especially when certain subjects just won't. Goddamn. STOP.

From one of our newest regulars:

:''"Hell, I've only had to deal with one day of GoBots discussion and I'm already sick of it! I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to deal with this shit on multiple different occasions over the course of several years, but I bet it's unpleasant."''

So when I see "hey why don't we move IDW sections up because I think it's more important" or "why don't we rename every character in the Japanese-fiction writeups to their Japanese names", yeah, I'm gonna respond harsher because it's kind of hit that point where we have to start bringing the hammer down hard to keep this thing even remotely accessible to anyone who isn't fully engaged in the minutia of TFdom.

I think wiki editors (and others) need to stop and have a good think about WHY they're doing what they're doing, and who they're actually doing it for, and, ultimately, if they should actually be doing it.

There's an important difference between "can" and "should", and too many don't see it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:08, 12 January 2016 (EST)
:''look i already apologised for the japanese name thing okay''
:Well, said, though, and you've given me something to think about. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 05:21, 12 January 2016 (EST)

:...Yeah, I'm taking exception to this.

:Because of recent events, I wasn't expecting anyone to jump for joy, but this is a bit much. First of all, "''hey why don't we move IDW sections up because I think it's more important''" is reductive and dismissive to the facts on the table and the argument I presented. IDW being "ongoing fiction" isn't my subjective opinion, it's a fact. It's also the longest running mass-market fiction not only ongoing right now, but also in Transformers history. So I'm not some weebo saying, "I like Japan, so other people must want Japan to be more prominent, too." (no offense, Riptide -- just for the argument) We were discussing a case of ''factual'' prominence, not the "perceived prominence" just inside my own silly head.

:And I don't need ''"We create the content on this wiki FOR casual readers."'' repeated back to me because it was you, M "Not lovin' this idea" Sipher I was thinking of, saying those very words, which made me think this was a good idea.

:Maybe we have different ideas about what casual readers are, but I think of them as new/returning fans who came here because of some ongoing fiction they just saw, and might like to learn more about. If they're watching ''Robots in Disguise'' or ''Rescue Bots'', that's cool -- most of those character pages are traceable by (RID) or (RB) disambigs, which is simple enough to figure out. And their Fiction box sections are (mostly) minimal enough to glance over and find what you wanted.

:But what about the comics? Well, first they have to know IDW is Generation 1, which isn't exactly on the cover of the comics. Then they have to know the Fiction section on a character's page is organized by release date. You and I know that, but is that rule actually posted in a FAQ somewhere so we could expect a casual reader to know it? The way Sunbow and Marvel subdivide on most pages, a casual reader could be forgiven for thinking the most prominent stuff is ''already'' on the top. And even assuming they're visiting the Wiki on a full-screen computer and not a mobile device, for the 1987 guys or earlier "IDW Generation 1 continuity" is likely going to be "below the fold". And if you made it to the end of this paragraph thinking TL;DR, imagine the casual reader going through this in real time. THAT was who I was thinking of when I suggested the Ongoing Fiction content that the casual reader might be looking for when they come here ''be easier to find somehow''.

:I'm not ''trying'' to throw your words back at you, M Sipher, but again it honestly was a post you made this week defending the Ongoing Fiction Template that made me think of this. You said, "''letting people know which ones are likely to actually continue and not just be a storyline dead-end is at least marginally informative''". But the current razor-thin, World's Smallest Template Note doesn't really accomplish that. A casual reader may stumble across it by accident, if they squint, or they'll find it if they're already looking for it, but that's it. Floating Ongoing Fiction to the top of the Fiction sections negates the need for the template, lets new readers find what they were most likely looking for more easily, and those Fictions can just as easily be shuffled back down into 'release date order "dead" fiction' once they are no longer ongoing.

:If this was a bad idea, fine. But maybe you could provide me a definition of "casual reader friendly", because obviously my ''WWMSD?'' bracelet doesn't help when I'm too stupid to know the answer. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:09, 12 January 2016 (EST)

::There's a Table of Contents at the top of just about every character page. The wiki software even ''automatically'' makes a TOC if a page has enough subsections. That TOC has "IDW continuity" in it, which links directly to said subsection. Easy.
::Your proposal is nothing but arguments waiting to happen over what's "more important", to become more arguments over which "more important" fiction takes prominenece over the other "more important" (comics or cartoons?) with no actual ''benefit''. It is furniture-shuffling. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:19, 12 January 2016 (EST)
:::Not to put words in Sipher's mouth, but I don't think the main idea he's putting across is ''really'' about your proposal, Xaaron, you've just said it at a moment in time in which we are seeing a lot of what Sipher describes (but trying to dub something "more important" ''will'' lead to arguments - I remember way back when when people would complain we were putting the Marvel comic ahead of the cartoon). To repost something I've also said on the Allspark - which I don't consider to relate to your proposal, Xaaron - I have been saying for a long time in private conversation what Sipher is saying now, and several months ago, I tried to explain how we're basically responsible for breeding this attitude into our readers. It's the same attitude that caused the AVP brouhaha - we are seeing editors now openly state that the wiki has been a gateway to a lot of this stuff for them, and that they have fixated on the minutiae and the continuity-fondling, which is such a small part of what Transformers, and the wiki, is about that it's the wrong lesson to come away with. Wiki projects ATTRACT those with mindsets focused on categorization, organization, and pattern-observation. It took years before we had editors who were able to reconcile that way of thinking with our "and also fun!" approach, but they now exist, and are more interested in trying to make sure all the headers are precisely the same, that everything is in exactly the right continuity-order and header-structure and category, that all the disambigs are exact - that absolutely everything fits into its little imaginary box, and that nothing breaks the rules by coming out of its box unless there's a seventeen-week debate about it first. ORGANIZATION IS IMPORTANT, but - with the greatest of actual respect to our new editors, because it is thankless hugging busywork and its impressive that you're dedicated to it - as Sipher says, this "moving of the furniture" is all that newer-guard editors actually seem to want to do, or to be capable of doing. It's very, very easy to paste a one-or-two sentence nugget of information from AVP into the wiki, which is why so many people do it and why it got so out of control - but you don't see anyone falling over themselves to add Spacewarp's Log stuff, even before the two-week delay, because it's not presented in nugget form, it's a piece of prose that you'd actually have to - shock, horror - read and summarize, and - oh christ no - it's NOT full of references to pre-existing things so you can't just paste it into existing articles or throw the AVP stub template in. When - just for a recent example - I can go to the article of a major character like Ironhide or Thundercracker and still find tons of material that needs filling in, that says "it doesn't matter that it's been ten years, there is a lot more important work to do than making sure that header is a level 2 or a level 3 one." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:32, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::::I just want to be clear that people who take the time to do "busywork" like, say, fixing links so they no longer lead to a redirect page are ''unquestionably welcome to''. That's good, that has a tangible benefit to our wiki (reducing server load). That kind of "busywork" is ''absolutely'' okay. It's the seemingly-endless stream of talks about reorganizing hundreds of pages, arguments over disambigs, and yeah, the "easy" trivia-nugget work that's grinding here. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:01, 12 January 2016 (EST)
:I get the concern over the AVP-inspired editors, and even counseled Giggidy about this very issue above. In hindsight, I probably should've waited for the dust to settle more on the GoBots matter before suggesting something similar for different reasons, but like I said, the idea was sparked by the above discussion about the Ongoing Template.
:And I completely agree that a Major/Minor Fiction split would likely lead to more arguments than benefits, which is why I also proposed Ongoing/Not Ongoing. That's completely binary and objective. It's not subject to debate over which fiction is "More Ongoing" than another.
:I agree that the IDW links above the main character images remove any need for my proposal...for the characters who have them. My concern rested with characters like Jazz or Soundwave who do not have IDW subpages, and that continuity is 21 or 24 listings down on their Fiction TOCs, nestled between things like ''Q-Robo'' and ''Henkei! Henkei!''. But, as I believe Chip suggested on the Allspark, a way to resolve all this is to just be more lenient with allowing IDW subpages in the first place. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:31, 12 January 2016 (EST)
::I too proposed that. Is there a specific reason why that tab system isn't more prominent. Heck, maybe it would even work for stuff like the Marvel and Sunbow cartoons. Those tabs are a simple and brilliant way to get our readers to what they are looking for. A casual coming here after googling say "Prowl Transformers" needs to be sent to were they need to be efficiently as possible. A page tab on his page header right at the top with IDW staring you in the face ks a good solution that doesn't deal with any of the parliamentary bojangling that's been such a hot topic lately[[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 01:25, 14 January 2016 (EST)

==Continuity Stream Bullshit==
I suggested this on the Allspark, and there's some momentum for it so I'll put it here.

As M Sipher said above, arbitrary furniture movement is bad. That said, all the continuity stream minutae is even worse, and serves only to bloat our pagecount with duplicated information in articles that will only ever be stubs forever. Why do both [[Primax 984.0 Gamma]] and [[The Transformers (issue)]] exist? Or [[Marvel Comics continuity]] if you think the continuity is more important than what the Universal Stream indicator actually decodes to, although if there weren't significant opposition I'd argue that since the stream encoding to a piece of fiction is a 1:1 mapping that we should respect that directly.

Since a Universal Stream page will not contain any useful information other than its actual stream indicator (and VERY occasionally some detail such as "this universe is destroying another one"), I'd like to propose that all universal stream pages either be redirected to the actual single piece of fiction that the stream indicator decodes to, or to the Continuity timeline page that best describes it - and somewhere on **that** page we try and find a place for the universal stream number. Perhaps in the same fashion we originally handled alternate names - directly below the introductory paragraph, in bold?

If this causes problems, feel free to disregard... but I've heard enough discontent about the matter and there's been enough push for it there that I feel confident enough to put my next foot forward on this happening. [[User:Sky Shadow|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow|talk]]) 10:32, 13 January 2016 (EST)

My proposal is that rather than stream pages, major continuities would all get pages. a Marvel g1 universe page, a sunbow cartoon universe a Classicsverse page and so on. Then, stream numbers used in universe would be redirect to those pages. Minor streams would get redirected to the current list pages we have now; AVP additions to minor streams would go in notes on the works main page. (For example, Ulchtar would go in the notes of that videogame)[[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 10:51, 13 January 2016 (EST)

I just noted that the already existing Universal Stream pages could be converted into continuity pages in some instances , http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Classicsverse could be simply renamed "Classics Continuity/Universe" for example[[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 11:07, 13 January 2016 (EST)
:I'm not seeing how universal streams are logically any different than random crap namedropped without context in stories all the time. [[Pralmtzurlz VI]], [[Vaulted Heights of K'th Kinsere]], and [[Payload of General Frightening]] have less content than most universe pages. There also isn't really a way to effectively have real-world information and then fictional universe information on the same article; [[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] isn't going to look any better if you put all of the [[To Die Game!]] stuff on it. (Primax 984.0 Gamma is also not limited to "The Transformers", so, uh, what?) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:10, 13 January 2016 (EST)
::The difference is those pages are not wholly redundant. For example, yeah, maybe the city "Gygax" only got mentioned offhand in one story. But as it gets a page, it goes in the Category listing of "Cybertron cities" (or whatever it's actually called) and then when, oh, say, a TV cartoon writer wants to look up cities for references...
::In other words, BAM, the whole reason we did this wiki. The obscure was given an outlet, and it got used again. And this is far from the only instance.
::But this is not a functionality that serves any real purpose for the named Streams. You need to know the code to make any sense of them, at which point you can easily make up a code for any piece of fiction that exists. And ''every piece of Transformers fiction that exists IS canonically its own universe'', '''''and''''' simultaneously wholly-subsumed parts of other universes, because of quantum (read: pseudoscience arglebargle translation of a meta-based concept with no real defined rules because we, and I literally mean WE as in me and Trent, made it all up and jesus on a tilt-a-whirl some people think way too hard and too rigidly about this). All these pages do is create a hoop for people to jump through unnecessarily. We don't need the pagecount bloat.
::If people are REALLY concerned about stuff not from, say, that one storybook that some FunPub gag-strip or Facebook post placed some wacky new event, then there is a simple solution. NOTES SECTION. One bullet point is really all you need in the overwhelming majority of cases. Something else, a subsection under notes called, oh, "Use in Other Fictions" will cover it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 15:49, 13 January 2016 (EST)
:::Yeah, the "club fiction adds a bunch of stuff to some random micro-continuity" scenario is really the only one where the stream pages are even remotely good for anything - the Shell Game/Megazarak universe springs to mind - and in those cases it is potentially useful to have the info from a bunch of separate AVP things (or whatever) collected. But as you say, Sipher, that kind of thing could happily live in the notes section of the fiction article. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:06, 13 January 2016 (EST)
::::From a group complaining about "moving the furniture around", there sure have been a lot of suggestions recently about deleting a lot of pages and taking all the info in them and putting them onto slightly harder-to-find pages. I'm not even sure I have an opinion on this proposal, but the observation struck me as odd. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:09, 13 January 2016 (EST)
:::::Context is important, and the context here is bandwidth issues and reader experience. Those are fucking important. Every time we bounce a reader to another page, that's another tick on our sever, and these pages are, as noted, almost wholly redundant info when we could send them to a page that has the whole thing. And you're gonna sit there and claim that a listing of made-up words and number gibberish is somehow easier for a reader to use than just putting the relevant information on a page titled in plain English they're ''vastly'' more likely to find on their own. Okay, sure, whatever. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:17, 13 January 2016 (EST)
::::::I think at the very least, there's little reason to argue that stream indicators for major continuities shouldn't just redirect to the continuity page, i.e. [[Primax 984.0 Gamma]] to [[Marvel Comics continuity]]. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 16:35, 13 January 2016 (EST)

::Let me put this another way... the stream pages feel akin to having a page for "Khrapovik" then listing only the things ''Prime'' Ratchet did in the Russian comics on it. Again, ''technically'' a different universe, sure, but it's part of the bigger universe and splitting it out really only obfuscates info in the name of pedantry, and it's just better off folding it into the main. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:09, 13 January 2016 (EST)
::: That makes a lot of sense to me. This might be one of those situations where we want to use flexibility. If there is a continuity page that already exists, maybe the redirect goes there and we have a fiction section. If there's a universal stream and little else, maybe that can just go away. And if there's a lot of information about the stream, maybe we just keep it. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 23:06, 13 January 2016 (EST)
::So should we start compiling solutions for wn eventual vote. I'm behind the idea of replacing stream pages with pages for the continuity. In fact I think a good way to deal with extra Avp infor is to use are already existing arrow system. Thede added storiee are just like,say Regeneration One added to the end of Marvel US in a way, so for example. Mystery of the Convoy would get an arrow that goes to To Die Game, Shell Game would get an extra a avp write up detail.

But over all I am for us having Continuity pages instead of streams. Like was said above we don't need Primax Whatever Gamma AND Marvel US continuity pages.
[[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 10:30, 14 January 2016 (EST)

==Alternate names==
When we mention a character's alternate names (i.e, on X's page, we note that "he is sometimes known as '''Y'''), there seems to be a bit of confusion as to exactly ''where'' we do it. [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Grapple_(G1)&oldid=1043677 Some pages]<ref>(EDIT: Grapple's alternate name has been moved to the bio, so the link goes to an older revision for clarity.)</ref> place such information near the top in the continuity note, whereas [[Octane|others]] put it at the end of the opening paragraph. Is there a policy on this? I don't particularly care one way or the other, I'd just like to see them made consistent. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 01:08, 17 January 2016 (EST)
:I prefer them to be in the top rather than in the bio.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 14:54, 17 January 2016 (EST)
::The continuity notes are cluttered enough already. Put them at the end of the bio. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:57, 20 January 2016 (EST)
::: I think, barring the unusual case of an obscure alternate name that is seldom used, the end of the continuity note is the ideal place. But I'm not sure consistency is absolutely necessary, as long as the information is conveyed in an appropriate way.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:14, 20 January 2016 (EST)
:::I concur with Saix. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:45, 20 January 2016 (EST)
:::I prefer the end of the intro over the continuity note. It leaves more room for multiple names (in case a character has 2 or more alternate names) and also makes room for context (like, when and where and why is the character sometimes called by that other name). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 13:54, 20 January 2016 (EST)
::::I prefer the end of the intro as well. Take a look at [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Hot_Rod&oldid=1046644 Hot Rod]. <ref>(EDIT: as of 18:11, 20 January 2016 (EST), they've been moved into the bio. The link goes to an older revision for clarity.)</ref>He has all his names in the continuity note, and it's a mess. If we're going to pick just one way to do it (and I think we should), it should be at the end of the intro. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 15:45, 20 January 2016 (EST)
:::::You've convinced me that the intro is a smarter spot. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:09, 20 January 2016 (EST)
How about [[Vector Prime]]'s alternate names? He's never made a solid appearance using any of them, so should they be in both the intro and in the AVP story section? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:23, 21 January 2016 (EST)
: That feels like a great place to make an exception and only list them in the fiction section or the notes.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:44, 21 January 2016 (EST)
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*tl;dr-r (too long; didn't re-read), but absolutely agree that if Miscellaneous Convoy is also called Miscellaneous Magnus, then [citation needed]. [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Starscream_%28G1%29&diff=prev&oldid=1096193 i did Megascream.] [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Alternate_names_links|see also]] --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:25, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

== Parodies ==

I think we should have one page that lists notable parodies and stuff. Just to get them out of the way. [[User:HarbringerOfDoom|HarbringerOfDoom]] ([[User talk:HarbringerOfDoom|talk]]) 08:29, 20 January 2016 (EST)

:They're already out of the way, by virtue of being not on this wiki. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 08:43, 20 January 2016 (EST)
::I noticed recently that the other place has started listing stuff like characters' appearances on ''Family Guy'' and ''Robot Chicken'' in their main profiles, which gives us even more reason not to. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 09:01, 20 January 2016 (EST)
:::I can see the appeal, but I suspect it would quickly get out of hand. Transformers gets referenced in a lot of pop culture. Every show, movie, and Web comic is somebody's favorite, so I suspect any such page would quickly become an unbearably long and tedious list. So what would that leave us with? A page saying Transformers often shows up in pop culture? I'm not sure there's any value to that. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:13, 20 January 2016 (EST)
:You guys have got to just be doing this on purpose now. [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 10:53, 21 January 2016 (EST)
::::I will get myself banned before I will allow this wiki to cover Family Guy and Robot Chicken. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:23, 20 January 2016 (EST)
:::::'''''NO.''''' Like, a thousand times no. I believe similar discussions have been had in the past, and the answer was a resounding no. (I can't find that particular discussion at the moment; I'll post it here if I find it.) -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 13:43, 20 January 2016 (EST)
::::::We have episodes of cartoons and issues of comics that are stubs and primary character articles that need to have their fiction sections filled out, but ok, yeah. Let's start pedantically listing every time ''Family Guy'' has referenced Transformers. That should be a priority. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 13:53, 20 January 2016 (EST)
:''<nowiki>**Condescending Wonka image**</nowiki>'' --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 15:00, 20 January 2016 (EST)
The only page that would make sense (to me) while keeping in line with the spirit for this wiki is a simple list of times that official product was used in movies and television.
*This toy was in such and such movie in year 19XX.
*Transformers episode so'n'so was seen the background of movie in year 200X.
*A number of toys were shown featured in McTV show in episode whatzitz.
References are out. Parodies are out, and it's only a single page as to not clutter up the rest (similar to what we do with unofficial Transformers guides.) --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] ([[User talk:Bluestreak7|talk]]) 02:36, 22 February 2016 (EST)
:I really don't see any potential benefit to that. Are we going to make a page full of stuff like "Some G1 toys showed up in ''Flight of the Navigator''" and stuff like that? Why? It's pointless, and it would just open the floodgates for more of the same pointless crap, not to mention how bloated and useless it would be. Before long, people will use that page as an argument for including bullshit from Family Guy and the Chevy commercial with the car that turns into a robot and god knows what else. Information about references to ''Transformers'' in other media is something for Wikipedia to cover. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 12:24, 22 February 2016 (EST)

== Question about GoBots....not the one you are thinking of ==

Discussion moved to [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/GoBots#Question_about_GoBots....not_the_one_you_are_thinking_of]]

== Is there a category for images from the ''Timelines'' Facebook pages? ==

Do we have a category for all the images posted on the ''Timelines'' Facebook pages like [[Ask Vector Prime]], [[Transformers: Renegade Rhetoric|Renegade Rhetoric]], etc? As I've been going through the [[Special:UncategorizedFiles|uncategorized images]], I've noticed that quite a few of them are from those Facebook pages. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 17:16, 8 February 2016 (EST)

== "Requested URL could not be retrieved" ==

I can't seem to find any kind of technical place to post this, so I'm just going to post it here in the hopes of getting some attention. For some reason, I've been locked out of the site; trying to access the website on either of my main computers results in a white page and an "ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved" message. I've tried clearing my cache, deleting cookies, all that stuff (I can still post on my phone). I suspect that it's some kind of internal server problem (I don't think I've done anything to break the wiki on my end), but I'm not sure? Any help would be appreciated. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 19:09, 28 February 2016 (EST)
:That might have been me being too zealous with the spam blocking. I'll send you an email shortly. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:36, 28 February 2016 (EST)
:: Thank you! I will see if it works. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 20:56, 28 February 2016 (EST)
:::Did you get the email? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:14, 28 February 2016 (EST)
:::: sorry for the late response, it got put into junk mail. Clicking the link just takes me to a blocked site. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 22:43, 28 February 2016 (EST)
:::::OK, I think you should now be unblocked. Give it another try! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:57, 28 February 2016 (EST)
:::::: It worked! Many thanks! [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 23:03, 28 February 2016 (EST)
:::::::No problem - sorry about that! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:05, 29 February 2016 (EST)

== Facebook-exclusive characters ==
Given the copious quantity of characters debuted through the Tornado and TransTech Facebook pages who have no toys and have yet to appear in any other fiction, would it be appropriate to create a "Facebook-only characters" subcategory of "Fiction-only characters"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:59, 1 March 2016 (EST)
:Not a bad idea. I'd also be down for "Online-media exclusive characters" or something along those lines. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 20:15, 1 March 2016 (EST)
::Yeah, that sounds worthwhile. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:19, 1 March 2016 (EST)

== Furthering the use of list articles ==

Looking at Chris McFeely's [[User:Chris_McFeely/Sandbox:ListofRenegades|sandbox]] for the GoBots list article, I think that maybe similar list articles would be a nice way to handle some of the minor Shattered Glass and Kre-O characters. Pages like [[Broadside (SG)]] are rather useless, and I think that consolidating such pages into a list article would lead to a better reader experience. (To save us from pointless page moves, I would suggest just turning the old pages into a redirect to the list article, keeping all the categories.) -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:38, 3 March 2016 (EST)
:No. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:41, 3 March 2016 (EST)
::Would you care to elaborate on that? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:20, 3 March 2016 (EST)
:::We only used a list for GoBots as a compromise for the endless debate. Applying that concept to inarguable Transformers characters is senseless and leads to more arguments over what counts for a list and what doesn't. You're just causing more inconsistency and headaches for no benefit. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:39, 3 March 2016 (EST)
I still hate the list pages for Gobots, I don't want to have to spread it further. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:25, 3 March 2016 (EST)

Lists are not ideal. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 20:26, 3 March 2016 (EST)
:Fair enough. It was just a thought -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:41, 3 March 2016 (EST)

== Sick Of Arguing About GoBots II ==

Discussion moved to [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/GoBots#Sick_Of_Arguing_About_GoBots_II]]

== RID Kre-O ==

Since we're unlikely to get any more Kre-O fiction, and all of the RID Kre-O articles are pretty sparse in content, maybe they should just be merged to the main RID character articles? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:27, 8 March 2016 (EST)
:I'll be honest, I'm not averse to this at all. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:13, 8 March 2016 (EST)
::I guess nobody's really opposed to this or cares, so I'll go ahead and do it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:48, 9 March 2016 (EST)
After looking through the Kre-O pages... I feel like the comic-only cameos should all just be merged to whatever they're referencing. After merging all of the Iocus crap, it feels right to do the same to articles that are pretty much just "BWII Galvatron, but as a Kreon". They're very specific references removed from their context for really no good reason. Maybe not a popular suggestion, but throwing it out there. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:50, 9 March 2016 (EST)
::So long as it doesn't mess around with characters that freely switch between different incarnations of themselves, or are composite homages that can't be neatly classified. I can't think of any way those could be neatly merged into another page. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 17:10, 9 March 2016 (EST)
:::Yeah, I'm mostly focusing on unique characters (Fractyl, Atari, Tarn, etc.) and not the big archetypes like Optimus or Bumblebee. Most characters with toys will be left alone. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:35, 9 March 2016 (EST)
:I'm extremely cool with this. Never been big fan of giving them individual articles in the first place. Like, honestly, in a more organized world where this stuff hadn't been created on an incremental basis, "Fornax" almost certainly wouldn't be a thing and it'd all be Iocus. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:48, 9 March 2016 (EST)
:Again, no real objection, if a tepid "sure". I mean, I'm not really convinced that Kreons based on existing characters who DO have toys but no fiction (like a hefty chunk of the "Class" sets) really need to be split out. A page from Kreon Topspin seems... overly redundant. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:29, 9 March 2016 (EST)
::Yeah, I'm looking around more and it seems like there's only a select few that couldn't be encompassed by their main versions. Most of the Class series is guilty of that, but there's also lots of Kreons based on one-shot characters ([[Wingspan Hawk]], [[Barrage (Kre-O)]]). We have a lot of pages that are just "this exists and is obviously this other thing" from both the toyline and the comic. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 00:39, 10 March 2016 (EST)
:::You probably are doing this, but be sure to add the "Kreons" category and such when condensing. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:53, 10 March 2016 (EST)
:Ehhh... I disagree. I mean, the Kreon Class ones, sure, but I'm less certain on What about the likes of the [[Soundwave's Trap? Stop Operation Brainwash Humanity!|Soundwaves and Convoys]] and [[Enter the New Emperor of Destruction!? Stop Galvatron's Rampage!|Starscreams]]? I'd probably vote strong "yes" to merging the Class of 84/5 guys, weak "yes" to merging the fictionless Kreons (and maybe the non-Transformer comic cameos, I don't know), but a strong "no" to anyone who was actually in the comic. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 06:55, 10 March 2016 (EST)
::We do have a couple of examples where character pages have sections that cover more than one character already. The Masterforce transtectors and the BeCool cartoon come to mind. Does it really serve anything to give those tiny one-panel cameos in a referential comic their own pages? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:03, 10 March 2016 (EST)
:::As I've noted before, there comes a point where we're just being pointlessly pedantic, making people jump through hoops (and incrementally hitting our bandwidth limits) for... no actual ''benefit'' near as I can tell. Seriously. What's the benefit? What is the purpose? "Consistency"? Sorry, this franchise has grown and mutated too big for us to try and cram everything into no-exceptions rules. We HAVE to be flexible and make exceptions in some places, and when it comes to overly-redundant pages, that's where I'm more than willing to make exceptions.
:::I'm down with low-content one-pages for one-panel ''unique'' characters to be certain, like the Hideous Brain Guy, but for Basically The Well-Known G1 Character But In Brick Form? ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhn. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:45, 10 March 2016 (EST)
Should we merge <nowiki>[[Soundblaster (Kre-O)]] into [[Soundblaster (G1)]]?</nowiki> Their colors aren't exactly the same, but they're both black repaint clones of the main Soundwave. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:02, 14 March 2016 (EDT)
:Sure, whatever. If another independent G1 Soundblaster pops up, that's probably where they're going anyway. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 00:54, 14 March 2016 (EDT)
So what are we doing about ''Kre-O'' toys who unambiguously represent a single established character? Back on March 25, Sipher undid the merger of ''Kre-O'' [[Ravage (Kre-O)|Ravage]], but on May 5, Chris merged ''Kre-O'' Megaplex. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:25, 15 May 2016 (EDT)

== Informing new users of the recent anti-spam measures ==

(Slight re-editing of something I posted on the Allspark) I think we may need to put something in [[Template:Welcome|the welcome template]] and/or on [[Main Page/editing-tips|Main Page/editing-tips]] about how new users are unable to create pages because of all the spam stuff; it seems to be [[User talk:Foffy the Sheep#Extreme Editing Difficulties|confusing some people]]. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 12:45, 13 March 2016 (EDT)
:I've just reduced the timeout for creating new pages down to 6 hours, which should still slow down the spammers but not be quite as much of a burden on legit new users. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:50, 13 March 2016 (EDT)
Is any active admin still getting emails sent to the webmaster mailbox? I ask because I'm getting a ton of them: Looks like new IP/User Agent blocks, and I haven't touched this setup since... 2014? [[User:McFly|McFly]] ([[User talk:McFly|talk]]) 23:12, 23 March 2016 (EDT)

We now have a new captcha based on the [[Transformers Name Generator]], which should hopefully be harder for the spammers to crack. Also my apologies to the non-spammers caught up in the blocking - all of the user agent blocks have been rolled back by now, so hopefully no one should be blocked from viewing the site. (Also as per McFly above, I've redirected the webmaster email address to me) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:18, 25 March 2016 (EDT)
:I hope the new signup test is not too difficult - I notice we haven't had any new signups since implementing it. I changed the notice to be clearer and provided an example. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:30, 27 March 2016 (EDT)

== Memobots and Deskcepticons ==

For those not in the know, the Hasbro Facebook page posted a bunch of new "characters" for April Fools, The Memobots and the Deskcepticons. While awesome, there's very little material for each "character" to have its own page. (All there is are photoshopped pictures of office supplies, some tech-spec stats and some very brief blurbs.) I'm thinking maybe each "faction" could have a single page, listing each of its members, instead of a very bare page for each "character." Thoughts? --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 22:53, 2 April 2016 (EDT)
: Just so long as they're represented here somehow. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 23:08, 2 April 2016 (EDT)

== Possible partnership with the German Transformers Wikia ==

I've been approached by the main admin of the German Transformers Wiki[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Abatesnz#Conflict_with_the_TFWiki.net] about forming a partnership with them. We've had a long running partnership with Wookieepedia, which is also hosted on Wikia. They'd link to our pages from their pages and vice versa. Possibly we could set them up as an interlanguage link - I'd have to look into what's involved. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:51, 7 April 2016 (EDT)

== Beast Wars reorganization ==

[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Demonstration]]. It's evident that all of the conflicting continuities and crap is out of control, so this seems like the cleanest approach now. It's based on the movie approach we're using, since it's a pretty similar situation. Thoughts? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:23, 15 April 2016 (EDT)
:That's fine by me. The old chronological way is becoming a clusterfudge. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:33, 15 April 2016 (EDT)

==GoBots discussions consolidated==
Since we've been discussing this topic for literally years, I thought it would be useful to consolidate it all in one place, in order, with summaries of the key decisions. It can be daunting to keep track of it all, and in recent months the rules have changed several times. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots]]. Summaries could use some work, but I tried to stick to the simple facts without editorializing. I think the important thing with the summaries is that they succinctly say roughly what was discussed and what, if any, decisions were reached. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:47, 28 April 2016 (EDT)

== "Transformers Trilogy" manga ==

(Although I'm not sure if that's the actual title.) Turns out I have it on my hard drive: [https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ymumej4klqkttlu/AAA2AdRbHyvvxUU6kR6b-rBCa?dl=0]. Feel free to do with as you please. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:03, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

==Alternate Names links==

Looking at [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise's]] page, I see from the top he is sometimes known as '''Streetstar''' and '''Streetsmart'''. I know Streetstar comes from ''Wings'', but I don't know where Streetsmart comes from. I recommend a practice of making those "sometimes known as" bits into links that carry you down to the particular Fiction or Toy where the particular name comes from, like <nowiki>[[Streetwise (G1)#Wings Universe|Streetstar]]</nowiki>. Thoughts? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:20, 20 May 2016 (EDT)
:I like the idea, but I would prefer ref notes to section links. Also, there are cases like Bluestreak/Silverstreak, where the alternate name is used in multiple places, and we'd have to decide how much detail we'd want to go into in those instances. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 12:36, 20 May 2016 (EDT)
::Yeah, if an alternate name is used in multiple places, a reference note explanation attached to the name could better cover all of those in one go. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:42, 20 May 2016 (EDT)
:::I would prefer to uses refs even when the name is only used in one place. I can't quite put it into words, but using section links for this purpose just feels...''wrong''. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 12:55, 20 May 2016 (EDT)
::::Could you try to put it in words? Because section links would be ''"Click here to find what you're looking for."'' Ref notes would be ''"Click here to go to some text at the bottom of the page to tell you where to look in the middle of the page to find what you're looking for."'' Seems like an unnecessary extra step. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 13:32, 20 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::I think the section link wouldn't make it very clear that it's showing you where the name is from. It looks like it's going to send you to a different page or something, then just sends you to a different section of the same page and hopes you figure out what's going on.

:::::The ref note has an advantage in that it's already associated with addendums and citations. When the reader sees a ref note, they instantly know "this will show me some details about this bit of text", while a link says "This is going to send me to another page". -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 14:05, 20 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::...I feel like the reader would have to be pretty stupid not to understand what the link was doing. "Slingshot is sometimes known as '''Quickslinger'''." Click the link, see a toy of Slingshot called Quickslinger, with http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Slingshot_(G1) still in the address bar. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 14:21, 20 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, I guess you're probably right. Ref notes would only be absolutely necessary if an alternate name is used in multiple places. I'd still rather use ref notes on all of them, but your way works just as well and it's not really worth arguing about any further. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 15:16, 20 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::::Coming back to this, ref notes have the advantage of being easier to change if a variant name starts popping up in more fiction, just add it to the list. A section link would have to be completely rewritten into a ref note. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:00, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
@Foffy: I don't see a problem for the cases I've mentioned, no, but I'm not convinced my idea is best for cases where a character is regularly known by multiple names. For instance, how would this apply to Hot Rod's page? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:22, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

*tl;dr-r (too long; didn't re-read), but absolutely agree that if Miscellaneous Prime is also called Miscellaneous Maximus, then [citation needed]. [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Starscream_%28G1%29&diff=prev&oldid=1096193 i did Megascream.] [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Alternate_names|see also]] --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:24, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

== characters without pages ==

i do not feel compelled to create pages for [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Toxicity&diff=1096168&oldid=1072705 Scarytown] or [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Insecticon_%28WFC%29&diff=prev&oldid=1096169 Scurry Down], do you?
--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:10, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
:Given that this character doesn't exist and he's telling the other injured Insecticon to "stay down," no, I don't. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 05:13, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
::Chris McFeely edit summary: We went through this when the episode aired - he's telling the other Insecticon to "stay down."
:::Thanks. Can you link me to that discussion? (Not finding it on [[Talk:Insecticon_(WFC)]] or [[Talk:Toxicity]], maybe the Community Portal archives?) i have the DVD in my computer's disc drive right now and i really don't think he's saying "stay down"; i'm quite sure i hear another syllable in the middle there. (i also think Hardshell using the other Con's name makes more sense than telling him to stay down.) But like i said, it's hard to make out what he's saying. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:37, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
::::I don't think there's even a discussion to link to, because editors just reverted anyone who tried to add it. He's not calling him "Scurrytown." I'm sorry, he's just not. It's the snarling voice Kaye uses. There's KIND of a "k-" sound in there, but there's no R. The Insecticon has just tried to get up, and Hardshell is telling it not to bother, and instead stay down and radio the ship. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 05:52, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

== A suggestion to benefit the wiki ==

Hey everyone. I've noticed that this wiki lacks some templates that would be beneficial to have when it comes to linking articles. For example, if I want to link to the G1 Starscream page, I would have to write <nowiki>[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]</nowiki>. That's sort of a pain to do. Over on [http://www.ssbwiki.com/ SmashWiki], we use some templates to cut down on the amount of text needed to do that kind of linking. [http://www.ssbwiki.com/Template:SSB Here's an example].

If we implemented this, one would have to write <nowiki>{{G1|Starscream}}</nowiki> if they wanted to link to that page. That cuts down on a lot of text.

Is this a good suggestion? Btw, I still think that pages such as [[Optimus Prime (WFC)]] should be called Optimus Prime (Aligned) instead. It makes ''way'' more sense to do it that way and would make this template process a bit easier. [[User:John3637881|John3637881]] ([[User talk:John3637881|talk]]) 11:39, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
:Could be useful. But disambiguating by continuity family instead of franchise has been discussed to death and decided against repeatedly. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
::I know that it's a frequently argued topic, but I think it's more relevant than ever due to the fact that we have two franchises with the same name (RID). I mean, why are [[Steeljaw (RID)]] and [[Grimlock (RID)]] not characters from the same series? It makes no sense. [[User:John3637881|John3637881]] ([[User talk:John3637881|talk]]) 14:01, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
::: Part of the disambiguation by series, and not by continuity family, is because sometimes character names get re-used within a universe for different characters. For instance, we have [[Steeljaw (FOC)|Steeljaw]] the Autobot lion, and Steeljaw the Decepticon wolf, both of whom exist in the Aligned universe. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 14:05, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
::::The problem you're having is that you're expecting the disambig tags to convey information when that's not their actual job. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:13, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::It's not? Wouldn't it be simpler then to just go numerical by appearance? Optimus Prime (1), Optimus Prime (2), etc? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:32, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::Because then you'd have to memorise a list of numbers in order to link to the Optimus Prime that you wanted? If disambig tags were supposed to be a source of information, every single article would have one. Their actual job is to avoid having articles named the same thing. The continuity note, i.e. the ''first sentence of every article'', is the thing that's supposed to tell what franchise and continuity family a thing is from. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 15:39, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
:::::::That. The current disambig tags exist to help editors remember who's who while saving us from having to type "(RID 2015)" over and over. Would you be able to tell me offhand who "Blackout III" is? They are ultimately an editing convenience and are not meant to convey every single detail about a character. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:12, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::::I can see how that would be a pain. I wasn't proposing that system, just trying to reconcile the idea that tags don't convey information.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 23:42, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
::::So that case would move further down the hierarchy. How does that affect the idea of starting with continuity family? And it is completely ignoring the fact that the (RID) tags (and the (Universe) tags) are ambiguous in the real world sense. True, they may not be ambiguous in the narrow wiki definition, but to new and casual readers the fact that the exact same tag can refer to two different series is confusing. We should not be increasing real world ambiguity ("Which RID series is this again?") just because it doesn't cause wiki-centric ambiguity. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:15, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

oh my god you guys, '''no, stop''' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:13, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
:I feel like disambiguation tag debates should be definitively banned, to be honest. They just go into circles and nothing ever changes. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:44, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
Typing <nowiki>[[Starscream (G1)|]]</nowiki> also works, is only slightly longer than <nowiki>{{G1|Starscream}}</nowiki>, and has the benefit of not including the overhead of expanding a template which adds processing time to any page when the site has to render it. That last one might not be a problem on a small wiki with only medium-sized pages like SmashWiki, but here it could be a big issue. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:22, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
:That's great. I had no idea. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 23:42, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
::It ''is'' kinda buried in the middle of [[Help:Editing]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:37, 25 May 2016 (EDT)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:52, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

Well, to anyone who actually contributed to the discussion, thanks for your input. I can see that this sort of template isn't really what this wiki is looking for, although I do think it would make things a little easier. [[User:John3637881|John3637881]] ([[User talk:John3637881|talk]]) 23:40, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

== How to request main page changes? ==

Hi! I'm fairly new here, so I'm sorry if this is a silly question. The main page seems to be edit-locked except for admins, which is an excellent idea. However, I'm used to having a place to request edits to locked pages - in this case, I'd probably mostly be asking for updates to the Rescue Bots "newest episodes" list. Does this wiki have one? If yes, where? Thanks for answering! [[User:Raininshadows|Raininshadows]] ([[User talk:Raininshadows|talk]]) 17:02, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
:The current releases box actually runs off a separate template that anybody can edit - click the little 'V' in the corner of the box to access it and update to your heart's content! [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 17:12, 25 May 2016 (EDT)
::I didn't even notice that. Thanks! [[User:Raininshadows|Raininshadows]] ([[User talk:Raininshadows|talk]]) 19:23, 25 May 2016 (EDT)

== Anonymous Primal (BW) has lots of toys! You may be looking for Anonymous Primal (Animated) or Anonymous Primal (RID). ==

A [[Mirage_(G1)/toys|few]] [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys|spot]] [[Megatron_(G1)/toys|checks]] suggest that when a character has enough toys that they warrant a separate page from the character's main article, the toys page does not link directly to a disambiguation page, even if the character does. Looks like [[Shockwave_(G1)/Marvel_Comics_continuity|fiction]] [[Wheeljack_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|sections]] don't have disambiguation links, either. How easily could disambiguation links (where applicable) be added to the {(suite)} template? So if you're trying to look up a toy and, whoa, hey, these aren't the droids i'm looking for, but that's the name on the box--maybe someone else has that name?

i bet you're thinking, "If you start by looking up the name on the box, you'll land on the disambig page." But what if an internal link on the wiki sends you to /toys or /IDW_Generation_1_continuity or whatever, and it's not the right namesake?

Maybe it's easy enough to find the disambig pages. But maybe we can make it easier. i just don't know how to edit templates, myself (and wouldn't edit them without asking).

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 23:45, 28 May 2016 (EDT)
:"But what if an internal link on the wiki sends you to /toys or /IDW_Generation_1_continuity or whatever, and it's not the right namesake?" Which doesn't happen. You are creating solutions to problems that only exist in your head. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:18, 30 May 2016 (EDT)
::What Saix said. If the links are sending someone to the wrong place, what needs to happen is that we fix them, not create solutions to problems that will never arise if everything is done properly. Also, I'd really rather not clutter the suite templates; they're specifically desgned to be small and non-intrusive, and sticking disambigs in them detracts from that. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 22:26, 30 May 2016 (EDT)

== IDW Revolution ==

So the preview for ''Rom'' #1 shows the EDC in it and we can probably expect more of this sort of thing. This could be a problem for recording stuff, since the EDC is a Transformers concept but if it becomes a ''Rom'' one too, we technically need to put a lot of Rom storylinks here.

So should we do a rule that it has to be ''specifically'' a Transformer appearing to get covered, and otherwise we'll put it in Notes ("the EDC also shoot Rom!!")? --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 17:17, 7 June 2016 (GMT)

:I think the closest thing we have to an existing standard is [[Unfoldings!|G.I. Joe #138]], a comic that is not an identified crossover with Transformers and contains the most minor of guest-appearances inside. The full issue is summarized on this site, and details of that issue appear in the fiction section of every character, even ones like [[Wild Bill]] who had no contact with Transformers whatsoever for the story.

:Beyond that "standard", though, you're right that we will need to establish a rule for when Hasbro/IDW Universe stories are covered. Only when Transformers appear in the issue? Transformers characters? Transformers concepts? If Blackrock appears in MASK #3, do we cover that issue based on that alone? What if there's also a one-panel flashback of Blackrock with Galvatron? Do we cover it then? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 12:50, 7 June 2016 (EDT)

::My two cents. If it's not a piece of Transformers fiction, it generally only gets mentioned in the notes, even if a nominally-TF character appears. Major characters (you can decide who fits) can tip the scales, and situations like GI Joe #138 get included because that issue is essential to understanding issue #139 (where the crossover is first explicitly mentioned, but where the action is already well in play as the issue opens, and #138 is necessary to understand how we got there. Note also that a major TF character appears in #138, if only briefly). These general guidelines should be able to suffice for the most part. --[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock|talk]]) 13:32, 7 June 2016 (EDT)

:::Disagree on #138. It's completely unnecessary for understanding #139 ("Megatron is attacking the castle!" is pretty clearly conveyed by the splash page), and it actually ''confuses'' the situation, since the shadowy conversation in #138 is ignored or outright contradicted later in the story.

:::But regardless, that brings us back around to "What's a major character?" Only Transformers? Pre-IDW humans like Fairborne, Spike, and Blackrock as well? Jimmy Pink and Jones? What if Battle Force 2000 encounters the Enigma of Combination? What if MASK travels to Cybertron, but no identifiable Transformers appear? I realize a lot of these questions can't be answered until it happens, but some idea where everyone sits on the matter should be established ahead of time, if we can. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 13:46, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
::::If it's not an explicit and branded crossover we should have minimal coverage. If an actual Transformer shows up in another book, we cover his appearance but that's it. 138 is probably covered in too much detail already. Transformers concepts and settings and human companions appearing in other books are notes. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 14:15, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::I think if a Transformer or other Clearly A Transformers-Franchise Character like Blackrock, Marissa, Spike, etc. shows up in another title's issue, than that issue should get fully covered as a crossover regardless of "branding." A TF-originated ''concept'', however, like the EDC, putting in an appearance probably doesn't need to be more than a note somewhere. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 14:49, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::No. We don't cover every Marvel Comics issue Death's Head's shown up in following his departure from the TF universe. And before you "WELL ACTUALLY" me, he's only not a Fully Legal Transformers Character on the most petty of technicalities. He was made to be a Transformers character and given a legal out to be used elsewhere without paying Hasbro. 
::::::AT MOST, non-Transformers books should be lumped together in a fiction section on the franchise in question's page. Personally I have grave doubts as to just how much character bleed there actually will be, as well as how long any of these titles are even going to ''last''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 15:03, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::WELL ACTUALLY another difference there is that, like you said, Death's Head ''departed'' the TF universe. He was taken away from the TF franchise and given to Marvel-at-large. This has not happened with say, Marissa Fairborn, who is still a Transformers character. Her "home title" is still The Transformers. A hypothetical Marissa Fairborn guest appearance in an issue of M.A.S.K. is, IMO, just as much of a TF crossover as an appearance of, say, Cosmos or Soundwave would be. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:22, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::::Which should still be relegated to a singular fiction section on the not-Transformers franchise page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 15:41, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::But the fact that that legal out was ''created'' would, I think, make him a Marvel-by-way-of-Transformers character. He may have been ''created'' for Transformers, but he was also created to be ''used'' outside Transformers. Plus, uh, what Kil said.
:::::::My proposal: only issues with Transformers in get their own pages; any other appearances of TF characters and concepts go on a single page for the whole franchise/comic. Doesn't leave anything out, but also doesn't overstep the wiki's bounds. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:44, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::::Death's Head's legal reality is exactly why he's in those non-Transformers stories in the first place; I don't think he's a good example. I think sticking to things that cannot exist out of a ''Transformers'' context (i.e. the Enigma of Combination, Optimus Prime, etc.) is a okay baseline. The EDC can always serve as a generic "defense against aggressive aliens" organization independent of Transformers, but things like the Matrix can't. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:56, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::Transformers get full writeups and bestow full writeup coverage on the issues in which they appear. TF-originating non-TF characters and concepts (Spike, EDC, the Enigma, cosmic rust) get very brief mentions within the main bodies of their articles, in proper chronological order in the IDW Fiction sections, with storylinks properly annotated; these storylinks would be redirected to the main non-TF-franchise comic page. IE "storylink|ROM #6" just goes to the ROM comic. ROM (character) does not have any of his own adventures chronicled ever except when he's doing it right next to a Transformer, regardless of title. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:11, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::"Transformers get full writeups and bestow full writeup coverage on the issues in which they appear." No. A one-panel cameo does not mean we write up the entire issue as its own article. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:34, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::We've got full pages for the non-Transformers Infestation comics and Unit:E, just putting that out there. It's not like covering issues in which Transformers appear is going to lead to people insisting we cover the entirety of okay actually I may be giving the average wiki user too much credit --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:46, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::::I'd much rather just lose the full page coverage for Unit E and non-TF Infestation than start giving it to all these new comics. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:49, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::BINGO. It's not before anymore. We live in a very different world than when a lot of this wiki's "standards" were crafted. What worked when TFs was a healthy-yet-niche franchise, perhaps not so much now that it's being used as a tentpole for a lot of other things. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::Disagreed, I guess. I feel like if it's a book by a Hasbro licensee using their Transformers license to use Transformers in the story, it doesn't particularly matter what the name on the book is. Sure, if it's, like, a 1-panel flashback or something we wouldn't even mention otherwise, we can leave it out, but if they have a bigger role, it shouldn't need "The Transformers" on the cover to get a writeup. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:23, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::I'm down with "Transformers get full writeups and bestow full writeup coverage on the issues in which they appear", with the caveat of "except when it's a minor cameo" (i.e. not Megatron showing up in Joe #138 as he's the cliffhanger but like how Nick Fury's making a cameo in TF #3 to go "look this guy's paying attention). Anything else goes in Notes unless & until it explicitly impacts on a Transformers comic, i.e. crossover stories. --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]} 04:05, 8 June 2016 GMT

== "Foreign Names" ==
The original Mandarin names of the Chinese MMO characters are not their "foreign names" and it is factually inaccurate to label them as such. The AVP replacement names are actually the "foreign" ones. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 08:45, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
:Wouldn't the same objection apply to [[Ricochet (Headmasters)]] and the entirety of the Unicron Trilogy's characters? Perhaps a change to the title of the section would be appropriate, but I just read the heading as "names in a language other than English". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:16, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
::UT characters are in a much different position, since they were developed with both the English-speaking audience and the Japanese audience in mind, they weren't created for Japan and then imported elsewhere. I would also note that "Foreign names" isn't used to mean "names in a language other than English" on the Beastformers' articles, which list their English names under that header. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 09:56, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
:::What kind of a change would you suggest? Is it a matter of semantics, like we could change the headers to "International names"? Personally, I never thought the "Foreign names" header intimated something suggesting that the names were "secondary", just that we use English language names where appropriate and list the international/foreign ones at the bottom where appropriate. I don't think country of origin ever really factored into it. And we use the Foreign names section even when characters have the same names across languages, but render them in that language's alphabet for ease of reference (admittedly, we've been rather sloppy about that, particularly the similar Foreign localization sections of episodes where sometimes we list a language's info and sometimes we don't). While we could definitely stand to be more complete/precise across the board, I think altering the section titles based on country of origin would only confuse things for casual browsers. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 10:28, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
::::Honestly the main thing I wanna suggest is un-reverting the changes to the MMO characters back to "Original Mandarin Name" in place of "Foreign name" as that just more accurate, IMO. I also think that if the intent of the wiki is that "Foreign names" be read as "non-English names" then maybe "English" shouldn't actually appear under that header, as it does for Beastformers and Omni Producion dubs. And if "Foreign names" is actually supposed to mean "Names given to character in foreign markets" then should the name given in their ''original'' market actually be under there? Should a character's original name ever be labelled "foreign"? My gut instinct is to say "no" to that. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 11:16, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::They are foreign to our main readership, which is primarily Americans. That's what it means, regardless of whether the character is a foreign creation. We've had examples like [[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Ricochet/Stepper]], [[Snowblind|Snowblind/Beacon]], and [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime/Fire Convoy]] for years. Why is this any different? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:04, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::I don't know! Maybe it isn't! Maybe all characters should always have their original name listed as such instead of just being under the "Foreign names" header! Maybe they shouldn't! Maybe! --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:16, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::Foreign is always understood as being in relation to the speaker. As this wiki is English speaking, all non-English names are foreign, even if they are the original names for those characters. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:11, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Again, if "all non-English name are foreign" then maaaaaaaaybe the word "English" shouldn't be appearing beneath the "Foreign names" header on any articles? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:19, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::::That's a more valid point, though it is mainly used for the Omni Productions dub which is pretty foreign to anything close to English...or good.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:23, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::As we currently have it set up for English/Omni names, it looks like this:

*''English:'' '''Billy''' ([[Omni Productions]] dub), '''Blaster''' ([[Omni Productions]] dub Twincast)

While it seems pretty clear by having the Omni Productions note in parenthesis by the names, maybe it would look better like this?

*''English ([[Omni Productions]] dub):'' '''Billy''' (as Blaster), '''Blaster''' (as Twincast)

Is that better or worse or not even worth the effort? Personally, I don't have a dog in this race; I kinda think things are okay as-is. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 12:35, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
:I was walking about the presence of "English" beneath a "Foreign names" header at all if the intended meaning of "Foreign names" is "non-English." So this isn't really addressing that? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:45, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
::There isn't really any other good place for these names to go. Unless you want to elevate them to the level of legitimate English variants (like Hot Rod vs Rodimus Prime or Bluestreak vs Silverstreak). I would find it a lot more disturbing to see "Also known as Billy" in Blaster's intro. Oh, and I agree with Speng's new version of the listing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:57, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
:::Okay, but then, what else could we call it? How else could we catalog that info? Should we put the Omni names at the top of the article alongside the "Sometimes he is known as..." notation at the bottom of the intro? I dunno if anybody would like that. I get what you're saying about having "English" under Foreign names when we default to English as a standard, but I'm not sure of a better way to catalog their Omni names aside from how we have it (English with Omni in parenthesis) (EDIT: Ah, Khajida beat me to the punch by 2 minutes). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 12:59, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
::::I mean, I suppose just listing "Omni Productions Dub" without the word English next to it would read better? Or listing it's country of origin instead of language, rendering the meaning on "Foreign" as "non-American" rather than "non-English?" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 13:05, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::The Omni dubs are a very strange situation, though, and probably not something we need to build a whole policy around. Surely if we have a working system in place that reads a little strange in this one case we don't need to revamp everything. We can make some kind of reasonable exception just for Omni and call it a day.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 13:39, 14 July 2016 (EDT)
::::::Right. I think we're digressing from Kil's original complaint. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:38, 14 July 2016 (EDT)

== Striking Unit:E from the record ==

As someone who has been adding a bunch of pages for the newly introduced Hasbro properties that are part of IDW's Revolution, I think we're hitting a bit of a snag: Unit:E.
Unit:E was supposed to spin-out of Prime, which would put it in the Aligned continuity, while all the Revolution stuff is based in G1 continuity. As such, including info on both IDW Action Man and Unit:E Action Man on the same page doesn't make sense (especially when that page was built solely with IDW in mind.) However, this is a Transformers Wiki, and I don't think we need Action Man (IDW) and Action Man (Unit:E)
This kind of thing WILL spiral out of control, and will only get worse with things like G.I. Joe characters (who are all G1 based) and Micronauts (because Acroyear is so different between the two incarnations.)
As such, I propose that we set a precedent to excise ANY Unit:E-based material, with the exception of how it directly relates to the Transformers. Meaning the page on the actual group mentioned in Prime and the comic itself would stay, but unless Transformers were involved, the events aren't referenced. [[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 19:57 15 July 2016 (EST)
:Or we could just leave them on the same pages like we already are now. Don't overcomplicate things. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:27, 15 July 2016 (EDT)
::The way we handle non-Transformers original characters is to keep all appearances together on the same page. So, if Destro shows up in Animated, and again in G1, we don't make two articles. No need for an Action Man (Aligned) and an Action Man (G1) under this scheme. Having them on the same page is a simple and elegant solution. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:39, 15 July 2016 (EDT)
:::My issue with Unit:E is that none of the characters actually interact, and the multiversal nature of the story means that the Action Man featured there may not even have Transformers in his own universe, meaning his adventures would fall into the Megaverse, and thus outside this wiki's domain. The Unit:E information is therefore superfluous. Unit:E is also not a Transformers-branded piece of media. Notice we don't record the G.I. Joe events of Infestation. --[[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 20:53 15 July 2015 (EST)
::::Because those issues do not have Transformers in them. Unit:E does, and I'm seriously having a hard time seeing the harm in detailing an one-shot issue that didn't amount to anything and that nobody else will cover. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:57, 15 July 2016 (EDT)
:::::The Unit:E stuff is G1 already though. Arcee, Jazz, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are all seen as distinctly G1 incarnations of those characters. There isn't even a need to consider the fact that one spin-off is G1 and another is Aligned since that's not the case. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 00:40, 16 July 2016 (EDT)

== Aligned characters ==

[http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-247 As brought up here on the Allspark], is there any momentum to split the RiD2015 incarnations of characters such as [[Grimlock (WFC)]], [[Sideswipe (WFC)]], and [[Kickback (FOC)]]? A highly broken concept as it is, the Aligned continuity family does roughly fit together as one timeline. As the three aforementioned RiD characters quite obviously do not share the looks and personalities of the WfC/FoC characters, I, for one, do not see how to reconcile them as the WfC/FoC characters at a new stage of their lives. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:57, 4 August 2016 (EDT)
:Yeah, I've come around to the idea that they just don't have that much in common between names and altmodes (or, er, robot modes). I vote to split. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 04:52, 4 August 2016 (EDT)
::For the reasons I've laid out on the AllSpark and on Sideswipe (WFC)'s talk page, I also think they should be split. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 07:24, 4 August 2016 (EDT)
:::I also vote split. And just because I think this is a really useful way to conceptualize things, I want to repeat my formulation from the AllSpark thread:
::::''Let me present this little thought experiment. Let's say that the RID 15 guy was named "Trapjaw", an early name for Grimlock. Maybe for copyright reasons, maybe for creative reasons, we don't know specifically. Would we still be inclined to keep the pages merged? This is an issue that has been a part of the Transformers brand since 1984 (see: Jetfire and Skyfire, who do indeed share a page). Shockblasts comfortably share pages with Shockwaves, Silverstreaks with Bluestreaks, Jazzs with Meisters. Likewise, characters since G1 have shared names and yet not been the same characters: Sky High is the earliest example. In this case, take away the name, and is there any reason to keep them merged? If your answer to this question is no, then you should probably be in favor of a split. ''
:::I think this is an abstract enough test to be useful in a variety of cases where there is name reuse but little else. I've tested it against various counterexamples and (BW vs G1 Megatron, Octane and Tankor, various Unicron Trilogy Mini-Con nameslaps, toon vs comic Blaster) and it always seems to produce the 'correct' answer. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 09:52, 4 August 2016 (EDT)
::::This test is a fantastic measure and one I wholly advocate, but I'll note that this metric places ROTF and AOE Lockdown's merger on relatively shaky footing. Whether that's a good or bad thing is uncertain, but I'd say it's worth it to make sure these RID articles are split. [[User:Sky Shadow|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow|talk]]) 08:29, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
[http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/?p=3302429 Spectre makes a good point here] about the distinctiveness of Grimlock and Sideswipe. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 21:26, 4 August 2016 (EDT)

So...absent any complaints or counter-arguments in the next 24 hours, I say we go ahead and begin splitting these three characters. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:38, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
:As much as my vote matters, I agree with splitting them. [[User:Stealthyboy|Stealthyboy]] ([[User talk:Stealthyboy|talk]]) 13:04, 5 August 2016 (EDT)

So far what I'm getting from the Allspark thread is that it's highly subjective whether anyone thinks FOC Grimlock and RID Grimlock should share a page because they're both based on G1 Grimlock, or whether the differences between the two characters are enough that they should get separate pages. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:37, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
: Really? I got the sense that there was one guy that really thought they should be together, several people that really thought they should be separate, and a few people who seemed on the fence. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 23:19, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
:: '''Keep''' them merged. Any argument for splitting them is either arbitrary and could be applied to numerous other characters ([[Brawl (Movie)]], [[Vortex (Movie)]], [[Sideswipe (Movie)]], [[Swerve (Movie)]], [[Hound (Movie)]] and [[Lockdown (ROTF)]], to name a few), or based on [[authorial intent]].--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 09:02, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
::: None of those guys have the same problem of irreconcilable fiction and lots of it, and none of them right now have new material coming up on a regular basis. (The only big issue there is Brawl because Titan went "oh uh it's twins" and in practice that's been easy to skim over) --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 14:52, 6 August 2016 (GMT)
::::Yeah, if we'd got any significant fiction for Movie 1 Hound or ROTF Lockdown, I'd argue that they should be split. Hell, I'm still not convinced that the Lockdowns should share a page, but I'm flexible on that. Most of the ones you've brought up, I would think should share a page only because they ''both'' are based on the same vague concept ''and'' don't have large amounts of fiction in contradictory incarnations. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:49, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
:::::I would be up for splitting Brawl, Vortex, Sideswipe, etc though I think it would be unnecessary give how little material their non-screen versions received. But we already have [[Jetfire (Movie)]] and [[Jetfire (ROTF)]] split despite the former having no fiction whatsoever. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:49, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
::::::I think, fundamentally, what it comes down to me is: ''will splitting help casual fans to understand better/stop them being confused?'' In the case of RID Grimlock, Sideswipe, and probably Kickback, I think that yes, it would. With Movie Hound and Sideswipe and Vortex, there's very little understanding that would be improved by doing so, and would likely just confuse fans searching for "movie Hound", etc. In the case of the Lockdowns, they're arguably the same character by virtue of Q-Transformers, though that's obviously kinda shaky. (And splitting Brawl would be the most unnecessary pedantry in the whole world, damn.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:14, 6 August 2016 (EDT)

:: I'd vote to keep them merged, with the stipulation that we add a note of some kind explaining the discrepancy. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 09:02, 6 August 2016 (EDT)

::Split. They're wildly different characters with no visual similarity and aren't based on the same toy (WFC Grimlock not even originally from a toy!) and it means anyone browsing to look up RID Grimlock, the one they most likely will be, atm has to get through a lot of different Grimlock. --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 14:46, 6 August 2016 (GMT)

A lot of what I'm hearing from the "Keep them merged" crowd is that they don't think some of the reasons for splitting are good reasons. Let me flip it around for a minute -- can anyone think of a ''benefit'' to keeping these characters merged? Besides a slippery-slope argument that it may, someday in the future, be used to justify other splits? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:03, 6 August 2016 (EDT)

Split. They're very different characters. And there's no conflict between Hasbro statements and author intent here; the most relevant Hasbro statement is the one that would indicate that FoC and RiD do take place in the same timeline, in which case there can be no "different interpretation of the same characters" between them; characters who cannot be the actual same individual at different times in the same timeline therefore must be different ones with the same name. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 15:02, 6 August 2016 (EDT)

Can I vote that there should be no blanket policy here, to just evaluate on a case-by-case basis? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 16:33, 6 August 2016 (EDT)
: Absolutely, and seconded. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:45, 6 August 2016 (EDT)

So I count '''Split: 10''' (Xaaron, SHIELD Agent 47, Charles RB, Jim S, Riptide, Sky Shadow, Stealthyboy, NovaSaber, abates, Sabrblade), '''Keep: 2''' (Nevermore, Grum), with no guiding hand from Admin/Owners. Can we go ahead with splitting these three characters, with the understanding that no larger administrative policy is being established, and future cases should still be evaluated on an individual basis? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:42, 7 August 2016 (EDT)
:I mentioned it on the Allspark, but I don't have any particularly strong preference so long it's applied consistently for all the applicable Aligned characters, and not just Grimlock. I do kind of question the sense in still treating Aligned like it's still a single timeline under Squint Test rules, since it seems reasonably certain, between RID Grimlock's existence and the departure of Hasbro folks like Archer, that that concept has been thrown out the window. But I also feel like splitting these characters has benefits in terms of accessibility for the casual user, and I guess that's why I'm not going to vote against – I think I probably would if it felt entirely like meaningless "furniture rearrangement" (as Sipher puts it). I think it's worth putting out one final call for people to 'vote' on the Allspark thread before going ahead with the split. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:19, 7 August 2016 (EDT)
::Also, as a postscript: if the splits do go ahead, links will need updating pretty hasty-like, or else there'll be a hell of a lot of potential for confusion. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:26, 7 August 2016 (EDT)
:::Relinked episodes 1-12 and the main RID series page so far. Moving on to the non-show relinks now. --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 02:00, 8 August 2016 (GMT)
::::Every image and linked-to non-TV-story on Grim's page has been relinked, plus the RID toyline page. Just the rest of the eps and other character's pages to go--[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 02:30, 8 August 2016 (GMT)
:::::Eps and main Autobots relinked--[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 02:50, 8 August 2016 (GMT)
::::::I think I've got all of the remaining articles, so there's just a pile of images with links to the wrong Grimlock in their descriptions. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 07:11, 8 August 2016 (EDT)
:Throwing my vote in while I still can. I said it on The Allspark an will say it here that I'm in favor of splitting the Grimlock, Sideswipe, and Kickback articles. Although... [[Blurr (Prime)]] might be a fourth contender for splitting as well, but I'm not as eager to see that one split as the other three, so I won't fight for that one as much if enough people object to splitting the Blurr page. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:27, 7 August 2016 (EDT)
::Hrm. Yeah, I'd say split the Blurrs, too. They've really only got "car what goes fast" in common, and really, what ''else'' is a bot called Blurr going to turn into? With that one in particular, they're so different that there's no way to reconcile them for an opening paragraph other than the faux-narrative of "first he was this, then he was this". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:38, 7 August 2016 (EDT)
:I'm actually in favour of split. Not sure I'm particularly worried about Kickback, but Grimlock and Sideswipe definitely. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:34, 7 August 2016 (EDT)
Starting on Sideswipe now. Though, come to think of it, is it necessary to title ''Robots in Disguise'' Sideswipe at "Sideswipe (RID 2015)" since the 2001 guy has a space in his name? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 11:15, 8 August 2016 (EDT)
::No, strictly speaking it wouldn't need the 2015, though it's probably a case where an argument could be made for making an exception? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:36, 8 August 2016 (EDT)

== Generations toyline page ==

A thought: do the ''Combiner Wars'' and ''Titans Return'' sublines merit their own pages? The [[Transformers: Generations|''Generations'' page]] has exceeded the length of even the [[The Transformers (toyline)|U.S. G1 toyline page]], and barring some unforeseen financial disaster at Hasbro, we know that the Prime Wars Trilogy will get another entry after ''Titans Return''. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:28, 14 August 2016 (EDT)
:I agree. Given how the "''Combiner Wars''" and "''Titans Return''" names overshadow the "''Generations''" name on the packaging, I think we should give them their own page. The fact that each also has a [[Combiner Wars (franchise)|franchise]] [[Titans Return (franchise)|page]] I think warrants this expansion. --[[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 18:20, 14 August 2016 (EDT)
:I'm on board with that.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 06:27, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
::Given that Combiner Wars, Titans Return and the next line are under the "Prime Wars" umbrella, maybe we should make a Prime Wars subpage for Generations, similar to the way certain character pages have a separate Toys page, and put the toys in those three lines on that page.[[User:Stealthyboy|Stealthyboy]] ([[User talk:Stealthyboy|talk]]) 17:10, 18 August 2016 (EDT)
Anyone in opposition to this motion? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:09, 21 August 2016 (EDT)
:Splitting is probably the least unwieldy option, or will be eventually, so I don't see why not. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 00:32, 21 August 2016 (EDT)

User talk:Doomdorm64

2016-05-24T18:56:22Z

Item42: /* TFU.info images */

{{welcome}}

Welcome to the wiki! However, we don't put characters's foreign names on their disambiguation pages; there's a "foreign names" section at the bottom of each character's article for that. (See [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)#Foreign_names|here]] for an example.)

For future reference, mass changes to numerous pages, like adding foreign names to disambiguation pages, shouldn't be done without some sort of discussion. You can click on the "discussion" tab on any page to go to that article's talk page, where you can raise any questions, comments and concerns that you may have. There's also [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal]], which is where discussion of site-wide policies (such as, say, not putting foreign names on disambiguation pages) should go. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 21:04, 22 April 2016 (EDT)

== TFU.info images ==

Please don't take other sites' images, especially TFU.info's, and slap a TFWIKI watermark on them. They are not our content and it's crass when the toy photos are the entire point of their sites. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:34, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
:I've found pictures like that at [[:File:Powerlinx_blackout_info.jpg]] and [[:File:Energon_prowl_longarm_info.jpg]]. Did TFU even give permission for this site to use them? If they did I'd assume they wouldn't want another site's name on it instead of their's. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 14:49, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
And on that note there's [[:File:Megastorm camo deco bwii.jpg|some]] [[:File:Magnasicker silverbolt prowl ironhide.jpg|other]] [[:File:Cyber Key Filled Prime.jpg|images]] from other fansites that I can't tell whether there was permission for.[[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 14:56, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

User talk:Doomdorm64

2016-05-24T18:51:43Z

Item42: /* TFU.info images */

{{welcome}}

Welcome to the wiki! However, we don't put characters's foreign names on their disambiguation pages; there's a "foreign names" section at the bottom of each character's article for that. (See [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)#Foreign_names|here]] for an example.)

For future reference, mass changes to numerous pages, like adding foreign names to disambiguation pages, shouldn't be done without some sort of discussion. You can click on the "discussion" tab on any page to go to that article's talk page, where you can raise any questions, comments and concerns that you may have. There's also [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal]], which is where discussion of site-wide policies (such as, say, not putting foreign names on disambiguation pages) should go. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 21:04, 22 April 2016 (EDT)

== TFU.info images ==

Please don't take other sites' images, especially TFU.info's, and slap a TFWIKI watermark on them. They are not our content and it's crass when the toy photos are the entire point of their sites. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:34, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
:I've found pictures like that at File:Powerlinx_blackout_info.jpg and File:Energon_prowl_longarm_info.jpg. Did TFU even give permission for this site to use them? If they did I'd assume they wouldn't want another site's name on it instead of their's. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 14:49, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

User talk:Doomdorm64

2016-05-24T18:50:42Z

Item42: /* TFU.info images */

{{welcome}}

Welcome to the wiki! However, we don't put characters's foreign names on their disambiguation pages; there's a "foreign names" section at the bottom of each character's article for that. (See [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)#Foreign_names|here]] for an example.)

For future reference, mass changes to numerous pages, like adding foreign names to disambiguation pages, shouldn't be done without some sort of discussion. You can click on the "discussion" tab on any page to go to that article's talk page, where you can raise any questions, comments and concerns that you may have. There's also [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal]], which is where discussion of site-wide policies (such as, say, not putting foreign names on disambiguation pages) should go. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 21:04, 22 April 2016 (EDT)

== TFU.info images ==

Please don't take other sites' images, especially TFU.info's, and slap a TFWIKI watermark on them. They are not our content and it's crass when the toy photos are the entire point of their sites. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:34, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
:I've found pictures like that at [[File:Powerlinx_blackout_info.jpg|here]] and [[File:Energon_prowl_longarm_info.jpg|here]]. Did TFU even give permission for this site to use them? If they did I'd assume they wouldn't want another site's name on it instead of their's. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 14:49, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

User talk:Doomdorm64

2016-05-24T18:49:00Z

Item42: /* TFU.info images */

{{welcome}}

Welcome to the wiki! However, we don't put characters's foreign names on their disambiguation pages; there's a "foreign names" section at the bottom of each character's article for that. (See [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)#Foreign_names|here]] for an example.)

For future reference, mass changes to numerous pages, like adding foreign names to disambiguation pages, shouldn't be done without some sort of discussion. You can click on the "discussion" tab on any page to go to that article's talk page, where you can raise any questions, comments and concerns that you may have. There's also [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal]], which is where discussion of site-wide policies (such as, say, not putting foreign names on disambiguation pages) should go. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 21:04, 22 April 2016 (EDT)

== TFU.info images ==

Please don't take other sites' images, especially TFU.info's, and slap a TFWIKI watermark on them. They are not our content and it's crass when the toy photos are the entire point of their sites. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:34, 24 May 2016 (EDT)
:I've found pictures like that at [[File:Powerlinx_blackout_info.jpg]] and [[File:Energon_prowl_longarm_info.jpg]]. Did TFU even give permission for this site to use them? If they did I'd assume they wouldn't want another site's name on it instead of their's. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 14:49, 24 May 2016 (EDT)

User talk:Sabrblade

2016-04-26T22:56:56Z

Item42: /* Kamen Rider vs Masked Rider */

Hey, Sabrblade. We may have disliked some of your edits, but I'm glad to see that you've created an account. It's a lot easier to talk to a screen name than an IP address. ^_^ --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:38, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Nothing wrong with the captions per se, it's just common practice to revert caption changes from new anons. Now that I know it's a regular contributor, I've no objections. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:31, 11 February 2010 (EST)

{{preview}}
:::^ Right, sorry. I'm usually more careful than as of late. I'll try not to be so hasty. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 17:31, 4 February 2011 (EST)

== Spelling checks ==

Hey, in addition to the namechecks I mentioned on my talk page, in the middle of Flobsters on Parade, Chief Burns hands Cody a device he calls a "Comm tab". Can you please check how that's parsed in the captions? Thanks! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:31, 18 March 2012 (EDT)

Another quick check if you would - in the captions for Operation Bumblebee, is T-cog hyphenated? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:32, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
:Can't check the DVR recordings during the weekdays... but thankfully I made certain to check that one when I watched it. Yes. T-Cog is hyphenated (and because of that, I've been spelling it with a capital C). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 21:36, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
::Aha, thanks! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:55, 19 March 2012 (EDT)

== Go ==

I can't get the captions to show up on the google docs link. How stupid am I, and what am I doing wrong?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:17, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
:The YouTube video is just the normal raw version of the episode. The subbed version must be dowloded by clicking the downward-pointing arrow.
:Though, do note that these particular subs are the first rough draft, made prior to any QC checking. There have since been two updated drafts made in two other subtitle files, so these ones here are far from being the finished product. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 22:28, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
::Hey, the lightning blast blew a transformer on the power line! Puns.
::I watched it, I put up my thoughts, hopefully that satisfies. And wow this episode makes me sad. I thought that the "dead, emotionless faces" thing was just them making a poor choice for promotional artwork, not...not this. Anything but this...I thought Prime was too stuffy in, y'know, ''Prime'', but wow, they kicked it up a notch.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:51, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I spotted a few typos if it helps:
*Can I ask '''your''' name?
*Henceforth, we will carry on fighting shoulder-to-shoulder for Earth's peace.
*Actually, who are you?
:::LOL, yeah, I figured not many would like the no facial expressions. But, I wasn't bothered by it too much since it reminded me of the kind of costumed Tokusatsu characters who have similarly fixed faces. ;P
:::If you want, I could give you a link to the latest update to the subtitle script. Though, it's in a separate subtitle file that would have to be loaded to the original video file. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:17, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
::::You mean just for typo-checking? I'm honestly not very good at recognizing spoken Japanese unless I replay it several times (though for that matter, my hearing's going for English, too...WTF), so if you had it as a straight text file I could probably check it more efficiently.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:40, 16 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::Oh, I just meant if you'd prefer to watch a version with less typos. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 09:53, 16 July 2013 (EDT)
::::::One more thing (if you're still reading this). Would "sacred mirror" need the first letter of each of its words to be capitalized or no? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:26, 17 July 2013 (EDT)
::They're calling it something like "Seidara Kagami", yeah? Looks like it's based nominally and visually on the {{w|Yata no Kagami}}, one of the imperial regalia of Japan, and ''that'' doesn't get capitals. The Go! mirror's importance is restricted to that family, and it doesn't seem like it would be reappearing again, so I would not treat it as requiring termness. Then again, it is the MacGuffin for this episode, so...it could go either way. (With its basis in the Yata no Kagami, which was used to "summon" Amaterasu, I wouldn't be surprised if the big series MacGuffin was the Yata, and it released Dragotron or Unicron or something.)
::Also, do we know that it is "Legendisc", not "Regen Disc"?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 11:29, 17 July 2013 (EDT)
:::I asked since Walruslaw uppercased it and left it uppercased in the revised subs, but he may have done that unintentionally since he originally uppercased a ton of odd words in the first draft, so I was unsure. It's only mentioned once, so I'm not sure it if would need to be capitalized.
:::As for "Legendisc", there's a discussion on its [[Talk:Legendisc|talk page]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:49, 17 July 2013 (EDT)

== Optimus Exprime ==

Do we have a primary source for this romanization now?--[[User:BraveMax|BraveMax]] ([[User talk:BraveMax|talk]]) 00:39, 1 December 2013 (EST)
:It's a guess based on the name being spelled as オプティマスエクスプライム (as the "エクス" comes out as "Ex" or "X") and a portmanteau between "Express" and "Prime" (as at least one or two previous listings had the toy labeled as "Optimus Express"). "EX" gives off the connotation of it sounding like "ee ex" instead of just "ex", and some have taken to misreferring to the toy as such based on the "EX" spelling.
:Granted, it could be any of the following: "Exprime", "ExPrime", "Ex-Prime", "Ex-prime", "Ex Prime", "Xprime", "XPrime", "X-Prime", "X-prime", "X Prime", etc. But "Exprime" seems to resemble the assumed "Express/Prime" pun the most.
:This, along with the similarly-guessed "Go Prime", is one name that we desperately need Takara to tell us how to properly spell in English. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 06:21, 1 December 2013 (EST)
::So... You have no proof, you just prefer your romanization? I mean, I agree that "EX Prime" is probably not accurate... But it wouldn't be the first time TakTom has pulled a fast one on us, so shouldn't we hold off on making changes willy-nilly until we have more info?--[[User:BraveMax|BraveMax]] ([[User talk:BraveMax|talk]]) 00:30, 2 December 2013 (EST)
:::Technically, the "Exprime" spelling was on the Go! toyline page well before the other pages were created, so I was just uniforming the other pages based on that. But if you'd like to recommend a better spelling (preferably one that doesn't use the misleading "EX"), I'm open to suggestions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:40, 2 December 2013 (EST)
::::No. Just my usual "Let's leave it alone until we know for sure". Like I say - I don't disagree, I just think we don't have much proof either way. We will soon, though :)--[[User:BraveMax|BraveMax]] ([[User talk:BraveMax|talk]]) 01:03, 2 December 2013 (EST)

==The Riders of Midwinter and Chief Woodrow==
Do you know if and when the Hub Network will air the two missing ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Transformers: Rescue Bots]]'' episodes? Please let me know. This is important. Thank you. [[User:AdamDeanHall|AdamDeanHall]] ([[User talk:AdamDeanHall|talk]]) 12:53, 31 July 2014 (EDT)
:No one knows. Be patient. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 15:44, 31 July 2014 (EDT)
::I'd not be shocked if "The Riders of Midwinter" aired in December. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:44, 31 July 2014 (EDT)

== Pop-Up Inferno and Sunstreaker ==

So back during the discussion about the characters in the ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe|The Ultimate Pop-up Universe]]'', you stated that the designs for Inferno and Sunstreaker (as can be seen [[:File:InfernoAligned-UltimatePopUpUniverse.jpg|here]] and [[:File:SunstreakerAligned-UltimatePopUpUniverse.jpg|here]]) looked to be [[Binder of Revelation]] designs, therefore making them Aligned/Uniend characters. Do you know where I could find these BoR designs? I moved Pop-Inferno's info to the G1 page, but in retrospect I can see that I might have made a mistake in that regard. I would like to rectify this if I did indeed make a mistake in getting the Aligned Inferno page deleted. And if not, then I would like to get Aligned Sunstreaker moved to "Sunstreaker (Prime)" as opposed to its current labeling. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 06:38, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:The Pop-Up book is the first place that these designs of Inferno and Sunstreaker have appeared. As for Sunstreaker's disambig, since he first appeared in the Pop-Up book, he gets the "(Pop-Up)" disambig as was decided on the book's talk page. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 09:39, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::Although, hold off on the Pop-Up stuff for a moment since I'm needing to update that character list on the talk page. There are some on that list that I'm no longer fully certain of after new info has come to light since my last updating the list. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 10:03, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:::Hmmm. If you say that Pop-Up Inferno and Sunstreaker are original designs, not BoR-inspired, then doesn't that point to them being Primax guys, inspired by the traditional G1 designs? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 10:11, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::::I'm saying that the Pop-Up book is the first place that the Inferno and Sunstreaker designs have publicly appeared in, but are in the same style as the Binder designs of ''other'' characters that we've seen outside of the pop-up book. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 10:17, 18 November 2015 (EST)

== Kamen Rider vs Masked Rider ==

Toei specifically uses "Masked Rider" for series titles and the Riders themselves up until Kamen Rider W when. The toys use it (including SH Figuarts of pre-W Riders to this day), the DVDs and Blurays of those series use it, it's used in Shin, and the teaser trailers for ZO and J, and the series logos for Agito-Blade and Kabuto-Decade. There's even an episode of Masked Rider Black where an American scientist calls Black "Masked Rider". --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 15:04, 23 April 2016 (EDT)
:It was decided on Allspark.com's TFWiki thread to keep the "Kamen Rider" name as it's the most widespread and commonly understood name of the franchise (and what it is still verbally called 99% of the time, even by the English-speaking world) with using "Masked Rider" to refer to said franchise (and not the admittedly horrid 90's Saban adaptation) being needlessly pedantic and obfuscating information, which is the opposite of what this Wiki strives to do. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 02:33, 24 April 2016 (EDT)
::I'm with Sabrblade. How many people know about "Kamen Rider" compared to "Masked Rider"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:18, 24 April 2016 (EDT)
:::And I'm not sure how leaping out of nowhere to insist on unilaterally changing the most minor thing ever is helpful in any way. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:22, 24 April 2016 (EDT)
::::"Kamen Rider" for the framchise is just fine, and is what TOei uses. But "Masked Rider" really should be used for the specific shows and characters that Toei and Bandai use "Masked Rider" for. So you have, day, Masked Rider Kaixa, from the show Masked Rider Blade, which is part of the Kamen Rider Franchise. Also, going with "Kamen Rider" for everything just because Wikipedia does is a bad idea considering Ryulong rules the toku pages there with an iron fist. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 13:39, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
:::::I guess admin action stands paramount, but I disagree with this reasoning. Also, I'm unaware of the full context, but a check of Wikipedia shows that this "Ryulong" guy has been banned since last year. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:47, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
::::::Saying "Masked Rider Blahblahblah is a character from the Masked Rider Blahblahblah show in the ''Kamen'' Rider franchise" is the very kind of needless pedantry and confusion that this Wiki aims to avoid, especially when it's for material that is completely ancillary to Transformers and outside of what this Wiki chooses to cover at length. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:16, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, we're not a Kamen Rider wiki, and thus do not have any obligation to use what Toei uses. Kamen Rider is what it's most commonly known as amongst English-speakers and fans, and what casual readers of the wiki are most likely to recognise and/or search for. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:37, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
::::::::I've seen "Kamen Rider" in English discussions since at least as far back as [https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.tv.sentai/HDh3vGb7XlY/discussion 2000] so it probably predates Wikipedia's use. And nobody on the internet could even ''find'' the official English versions with "Masked" for most of the shows, anyway. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 18:47, 26 April 2016 (EDT)

User talk:Sabrblade

2016-04-26T22:47:03Z

Item42: /* Kamen Rider vs Masked Rider */

Hey, Sabrblade. We may have disliked some of your edits, but I'm glad to see that you've created an account. It's a lot easier to talk to a screen name than an IP address. ^_^ --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:38, 16 February 2008 (EST)

Nothing wrong with the captions per se, it's just common practice to revert caption changes from new anons. Now that I know it's a regular contributor, I've no objections. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:31, 11 February 2010 (EST)

{{preview}}
:::^ Right, sorry. I'm usually more careful than as of late. I'll try not to be so hasty. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 17:31, 4 February 2011 (EST)

== Spelling checks ==

Hey, in addition to the namechecks I mentioned on my talk page, in the middle of Flobsters on Parade, Chief Burns hands Cody a device he calls a "Comm tab". Can you please check how that's parsed in the captions? Thanks! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:31, 18 March 2012 (EDT)

Another quick check if you would - in the captions for Operation Bumblebee, is T-cog hyphenated? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:32, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
:Can't check the DVR recordings during the weekdays... but thankfully I made certain to check that one when I watched it. Yes. T-Cog is hyphenated (and because of that, I've been spelling it with a capital C). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 21:36, 19 March 2012 (EDT)
::Aha, thanks! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:55, 19 March 2012 (EDT)

== Go ==

I can't get the captions to show up on the google docs link. How stupid am I, and what am I doing wrong?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:17, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
:The YouTube video is just the normal raw version of the episode. The subbed version must be dowloded by clicking the downward-pointing arrow.
:Though, do note that these particular subs are the first rough draft, made prior to any QC checking. There have since been two updated drafts made in two other subtitle files, so these ones here are far from being the finished product. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 22:28, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
::Hey, the lightning blast blew a transformer on the power line! Puns.
::I watched it, I put up my thoughts, hopefully that satisfies. And wow this episode makes me sad. I thought that the "dead, emotionless faces" thing was just them making a poor choice for promotional artwork, not...not this. Anything but this...I thought Prime was too stuffy in, y'know, ''Prime'', but wow, they kicked it up a notch.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:51, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
:::Oh, and I spotted a few typos if it helps:
*Can I ask '''your''' name?
*Henceforth, we will carry on fighting shoulder-to-shoulder for Earth's peace.
*Actually, who are you?
:::LOL, yeah, I figured not many would like the no facial expressions. But, I wasn't bothered by it too much since it reminded me of the kind of costumed Tokusatsu characters who have similarly fixed faces. ;P
:::If you want, I could give you a link to the latest update to the subtitle script. Though, it's in a separate subtitle file that would have to be loaded to the original video file. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:17, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
::::You mean just for typo-checking? I'm honestly not very good at recognizing spoken Japanese unless I replay it several times (though for that matter, my hearing's going for English, too...WTF), so if you had it as a straight text file I could probably check it more efficiently.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:40, 16 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::Oh, I just meant if you'd prefer to watch a version with less typos. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 09:53, 16 July 2013 (EDT)
::::::One more thing (if you're still reading this). Would "sacred mirror" need the first letter of each of its words to be capitalized or no? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:26, 17 July 2013 (EDT)
::They're calling it something like "Seidara Kagami", yeah? Looks like it's based nominally and visually on the {{w|Yata no Kagami}}, one of the imperial regalia of Japan, and ''that'' doesn't get capitals. The Go! mirror's importance is restricted to that family, and it doesn't seem like it would be reappearing again, so I would not treat it as requiring termness. Then again, it is the MacGuffin for this episode, so...it could go either way. (With its basis in the Yata no Kagami, which was used to "summon" Amaterasu, I wouldn't be surprised if the big series MacGuffin was the Yata, and it released Dragotron or Unicron or something.)
::Also, do we know that it is "Legendisc", not "Regen Disc"?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 11:29, 17 July 2013 (EDT)
:::I asked since Walruslaw uppercased it and left it uppercased in the revised subs, but he may have done that unintentionally since he originally uppercased a ton of odd words in the first draft, so I was unsure. It's only mentioned once, so I'm not sure it if would need to be capitalized.
:::As for "Legendisc", there's a discussion on its [[Talk:Legendisc|talk page]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:49, 17 July 2013 (EDT)

== Optimus Exprime ==

Do we have a primary source for this romanization now?--[[User:BraveMax|BraveMax]] ([[User talk:BraveMax|talk]]) 00:39, 1 December 2013 (EST)
:It's a guess based on the name being spelled as オプティマスエクスプライム (as the "エクス" comes out as "Ex" or "X") and a portmanteau between "Express" and "Prime" (as at least one or two previous listings had the toy labeled as "Optimus Express"). "EX" gives off the connotation of it sounding like "ee ex" instead of just "ex", and some have taken to misreferring to the toy as such based on the "EX" spelling.
:Granted, it could be any of the following: "Exprime", "ExPrime", "Ex-Prime", "Ex-prime", "Ex Prime", "Xprime", "XPrime", "X-Prime", "X-prime", "X Prime", etc. But "Exprime" seems to resemble the assumed "Express/Prime" pun the most.
:This, along with the similarly-guessed "Go Prime", is one name that we desperately need Takara to tell us how to properly spell in English. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 06:21, 1 December 2013 (EST)
::So... You have no proof, you just prefer your romanization? I mean, I agree that "EX Prime" is probably not accurate... But it wouldn't be the first time TakTom has pulled a fast one on us, so shouldn't we hold off on making changes willy-nilly until we have more info?--[[User:BraveMax|BraveMax]] ([[User talk:BraveMax|talk]]) 00:30, 2 December 2013 (EST)
:::Technically, the "Exprime" spelling was on the Go! toyline page well before the other pages were created, so I was just uniforming the other pages based on that. But if you'd like to recommend a better spelling (preferably one that doesn't use the misleading "EX"), I'm open to suggestions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:40, 2 December 2013 (EST)
::::No. Just my usual "Let's leave it alone until we know for sure". Like I say - I don't disagree, I just think we don't have much proof either way. We will soon, though :)--[[User:BraveMax|BraveMax]] ([[User talk:BraveMax|talk]]) 01:03, 2 December 2013 (EST)

==The Riders of Midwinter and Chief Woodrow==
Do you know if and when the Hub Network will air the two missing ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Transformers: Rescue Bots]]'' episodes? Please let me know. This is important. Thank you. [[User:AdamDeanHall|AdamDeanHall]] ([[User talk:AdamDeanHall|talk]]) 12:53, 31 July 2014 (EDT)
:No one knows. Be patient. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 15:44, 31 July 2014 (EDT)
::I'd not be shocked if "The Riders of Midwinter" aired in December. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:44, 31 July 2014 (EDT)

== Pop-Up Inferno and Sunstreaker ==

So back during the discussion about the characters in the ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe|The Ultimate Pop-up Universe]]'', you stated that the designs for Inferno and Sunstreaker (as can be seen [[:File:InfernoAligned-UltimatePopUpUniverse.jpg|here]] and [[:File:SunstreakerAligned-UltimatePopUpUniverse.jpg|here]]) looked to be [[Binder of Revelation]] designs, therefore making them Aligned/Uniend characters. Do you know where I could find these BoR designs? I moved Pop-Inferno's info to the G1 page, but in retrospect I can see that I might have made a mistake in that regard. I would like to rectify this if I did indeed make a mistake in getting the Aligned Inferno page deleted. And if not, then I would like to get Aligned Sunstreaker moved to "Sunstreaker (Prime)" as opposed to its current labeling. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 06:38, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:The Pop-Up book is the first place that these designs of Inferno and Sunstreaker have appeared. As for Sunstreaker's disambig, since he first appeared in the Pop-Up book, he gets the "(Pop-Up)" disambig as was decided on the book's talk page. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 09:39, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::Although, hold off on the Pop-Up stuff for a moment since I'm needing to update that character list on the talk page. There are some on that list that I'm no longer fully certain of after new info has come to light since my last updating the list. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 10:03, 18 November 2015 (EST)
:::Hmmm. If you say that Pop-Up Inferno and Sunstreaker are original designs, not BoR-inspired, then doesn't that point to them being Primax guys, inspired by the traditional G1 designs? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 10:11, 18 November 2015 (EST)
::::I'm saying that the Pop-Up book is the first place that the Inferno and Sunstreaker designs have publicly appeared in, but are in the same style as the Binder designs of ''other'' characters that we've seen outside of the pop-up book. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 10:17, 18 November 2015 (EST)

== Kamen Rider vs Masked Rider ==

Toei specifically uses "Masked Rider" for series titles and the Riders themselves up until Kamen Rider W when. The toys use it (including SH Figuarts of pre-W Riders to this day), the DVDs and Blurays of those series use it, it's used in Shin, and the teaser trailers for ZO and J, and the series logos for Agito-Blade and Kabuto-Decade. There's even an episode of Masked Rider Black where an American scientist calls Black "Masked Rider". --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 15:04, 23 April 2016 (EDT)
:It was decided on Allspark.com's TFWiki thread to keep the "Kamen Rider" name as it's the most widespread and commonly understood name of the franchise (and what it is still verbally called 99% of the time, even by the English-speaking world) with using "Masked Rider" to refer to said franchise (and not the admittedly horrid 90's Saban adaptation) being needlessly pedantic and obfuscating information, which is the opposite of what this Wiki strives to do. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 02:33, 24 April 2016 (EDT)
::I'm with Sabrblade. How many people know about "Kamen Rider" compared to "Masked Rider"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:18, 24 April 2016 (EDT)
:::And I'm not sure how leaping out of nowhere to insist on unilaterally changing the most minor thing ever is helpful in any way. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:22, 24 April 2016 (EDT)
::::"Kamen Rider" for the framchise is just fine, and is what TOei uses. But "Masked Rider" really should be used for the specific shows and characters that Toei and Bandai use "Masked Rider" for. So you have, day, Masked Rider Kaixa, from the show Masked Rider Blade, which is part of the Kamen Rider Franchise. Also, going with "Kamen Rider" for everything just because Wikipedia does is a bad idea considering Ryulong rules the toku pages there with an iron fist. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 13:39, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
:::::I guess admin action stands paramount, but I disagree with this reasoning. Also, I'm unaware of the full context, but a check of Wikipedia shows that this "Ryulong" guy has been banned since last year. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:47, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
::::::Saying "Masked Rider Blahblahblah is a character from the Masked Rider Blahblahblah show in the ''Kamen'' Rider franchise" is the very kind of needless pedantry and confusion that this Wiki aims to avoid, especially when it's for material that is completely ancillary to Transformers and outside of what this Wiki chooses to cover at length. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:16, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, we're not a Kamen Rider wiki, and thus do not have any obligation to use what Toei uses. Kamen Rider is what it's most commonly known as amongst English-speakers and fans, and what casual readers of the wiki are most likely to recognise and/or search for. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:37, 26 April 2016 (EDT)
::::::::I've seen "Kamen Rider" in English discussions since at least as far back as [https://groups.google.com/d/topic/alt.tv.sentai/HDh3vGb7XlY/discussion 2000] so it probably predates Wikipedia's use. And nobody on the internet could even ''find'' the official English versions with "Masked" for most of the shows, so it's not an official thing you see that often. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 18:47, 26 April 2016 (EDT)

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2014-09-19T08:30:39Z

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Talk:Sky-Byte (RID)

2014-09-19T08:26:56Z

Item42: Legends Toy

==Legends Toy==

"Despite being released by Takara, he still retains his Robots in Disguise name rather than the traditional Japanese name Gelshark."

But [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/lineup/detail/tflegend812913.html Takara's site] has "LG-06 Gerushāku" there. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 04:26, 19 September 2014 (EDT)

Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7

2014-07-21T22:05:15Z

Item42: Shortened a note. http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-9#entry2634954

{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (manga)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers]]'' #7
|prev=Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 6
|next=Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 8
|image=FSRLmanga07-title.jpg
|caption=
|publisher=[[Kodansha]]
|published in=''[[TV Magazine]]''
|date=October 1986
|writer=[[Masumi Kaneda]]
|penciler=[[Ban Magami]]
|continuity=[[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''The Decepticon Trailer Brigade and the Stunticons ruin the Autobots with bad publicity! Yes, there IS such a thing as bad publicity.'''

==Synopsis==
In the dead of night, a fleet of Autobot vehicles destroy a Japanese industrial park, leaving behind a letter reading "Courtesy of the Autobots" that's signed by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]! More destruction is later caused by these so-called Autobots who leave behind more calling cards (this time signed by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]]).

[[Image:DeceptiKlanFrenzyRumble01.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Dear Takara, ''Up yours.'' Love, Black People. ]]
The next morning, at [[Kenji]]'s elementary school, his classmates are convinced that the Autobots are evil. Kenji defends his buddies, though his rival, [[Makoto (FSRL)|Makoto]], praises the glory of the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]].

Walking home, Kenji catches a ride from [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]. Kenji explains the situation to him, but Tailgate reminds him that he's an [[honorary Autobot]] and shouldn't worry. Their conversation is cut short when they happen upon a large crowd. The people are cheering and praising a pair of hooded figures who are glorifying the Decepticons as true heroes and decrying the Autobots as villains.

As the crowd works itself up, they are suddenly attacked by the mysterious "Autobots" who have been destroying factories. Before they can cause too much damage, Optimus Prime arrives with [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]], [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]. Hot Spot and Inferno use their hoses to wash the phony Autobot insignias off the imposters, revealing the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] and the [[Decepticon Trailer Brigade]] ([[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] and [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]])! Prowl then releases [[Eject (G1)|Eject]] and [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]], who unmask the hooded figures as [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and quickly subdue them.

Worried, Onslaught advises Motormaster to form [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. That plan falls apart once they notice that all the Stunticons have fled the battle. With no other option, the Decepticon Trailer Brigade decide to access the "Decepticon Trailer Transformation". Motormaster climbs on to Onslaught's shoulders and the two create the (''sigh'') "Decepticon Great Wheel".

Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus attempt to fight the whirling wheel, but cannot get a fix on it because it's moving too fast. Kenji then orders Hot Spot to launch the Great Wheel with his ladder at Inferno, who then hits it with ''his'' ladder like a baseball. This leaves Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime the opening to finish the battle with the (''sigh'') "Prime-Magnus Finish Double".

Onslaught and Motormaster are then launched way out into the Pacific Ocean where they land on the deck of [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s ship. Megatron is ''not amused''.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (2)
* [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (11)
* [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] (15)
* [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] (16)
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (17)
* [[Eject (G1)|Eject]] (18)
* [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] (19)
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (20)
|c2=
* [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (3)
* [[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (4)
* [[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] (5)
* [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (6)
* [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (7)
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (12)
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (13)
* [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (14)
* [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (21)
|c3=
* [[Kenji]] (1)
* [[Kenji|Kenji's girlfriend]] (8)
* [[Kenji|Kenji's classmates]] (9)
* [[Makoto (FSRL)|Makoto]] (10)
}}

==Notes==
* This issue takes place before the "[[Scramble City: Mobilization]]" OVA.

* [[Human]]s have mistaken the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] for [[Autobot]]s before in "[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2]]". Except ''that'' time they didn't have fake Autobot insignias on.

* [[Kenji]] uses his [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]]-themed [[wrist-communicator]] while arguing with [[Makoto (FSRL)|Makoto]], but oddly, Makoto counters with his ''[[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]''-themed wrist-communicator. Obviously, from a story standpoint, Galvatron should not exist yet. At the time, [[Hasbro]] was making it a point to keep Galvatron's identity a secret (hence the rank of City Commander), even from [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]. This resulted in Takara advertising the Galvatron toy as a subordinate of Megatron's in [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (story page)|quite a]] [[Scramble City (diorama)|few places]]. This inconsistency was later [[retcon]]ned, but the wackiness still remains. Try not to think about it.

* It is ''possible'', however, that Makoto's watch might be designed after [[Galvatron II]], who, thanks to a [[retcon]] by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]], was established to be dimension-hopping into the Japanese continuity at the time. The thought of a small Japanese boy being able to contact and summon the most bat-shit crazy Transformer in the entire Multiverse has an intriguing value to it.

* On a related note, what is Makoto doing with a Decepticon wrist-communicator? While in the real world, the "wrist-communicators" were actually a series of transforming watches, in the fiction they served as a means to speak with and summon the Transformer the communicator was shaped like. Perhaps Makoto was given the communicator by [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] during one of their earlier public demonstrations? Who knows.

* Rumble and Frenzy are dressed in garb modeled after the hooded outfits worn by the Ku Klux Klan.

===Reprints===
*2002 — ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Comics]]''

==External links==
*[http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/japanese/trans085.php ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' #7 in English]

[[Category:Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issues]]

Talk:Crosshairs (Movie)

2014-07-06T14:02:32Z

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==Split?==
Unlike Drift or Lockdown, I think it ''is'' worth discussing if we want to split this into Crosshairs (Movie) and Crosshairs (AOE). The TF07/DOTM character is basically G1 Crosshairs, the meticulous armourer, whilst the AOE guy is an entirely different kettle of fish - a paratrooping, running-and-gunning jerk. Thoughts? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:41, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
:Eh, I don't think they're different enough for it to be an issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:34, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
::Eh, we saw Movie Crosshairs in movie continuity back in TROS, and he acted way differently there. I'd vote to seperate. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:10, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
:::Marvel and Sunbow Shockwaves also act way differently. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:14, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
::::To be fair, we saw Optimus in the previous movies and he was like "I have great faith in these humans", and now he's like "I'm gonna kill you, fuck you guys."[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 16:33, 27 June 2014 (EDT)
::::Problem with that is that Reign of Starscream and Age of Extinction are in the same timeline. And plus, ROTF Lockdown was seen on Earth during Nefarious, and had been captured by the Initiative for years, which wouldn't of gave time for the things AOE Lockdown did. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:28, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
:::::Why are you assuming they're all in the same continuity? [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 12:10, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
::::::All the IDW comics for the movies were written to be in the same continuity as them, and our Movie Timeline page has them listed as part of it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:31, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
:::::::They were written to be in continuity with their relevant movies, not Age of Extinction, and the people who make the movies don't go out of their way to be in continuity with the comics. We have two different Jhiaxuses in Marvel Comic continuities; we can also have two different Lockdowns in movie continuities. Our articles are not official proclamations on anything. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 13:04, 28 June 2014 (EDT)
I think they should be split. There's absolutely nothing connecting AOE Crosshairs to the previous one except the name, and I find this article's character write-up ridiculous, pretending the two different personalities are some sort of character development. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 11:41, 1 July 2014 (EDT)
:To further elobrate: Even if we don't split the article (still think we should), then I think the intro needs a major rewrite. Anyone who saw Crosshairs in AOE and decided to look him up to see if there's anything else to learn about him would be presented with a sort of false narrative about how he used to be this completely different type of character and has only recently changed into the asshole we saw in the movie. Making up a non-existant character arc is not something we should be doing. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 09:01, 3 July 2014 (EDT)
:Anyone else have any opinions on this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 08:31, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
::We should definitely move EDIT: I meant split. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:34, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
::We gave movie Crankcase and DOTM Crankcase their own separate pages, so why not this guy? Granted, part of it was that movie Crankcase was unquestionably dead. But I think this is the same scenario more or less. [[User:Spark Mandrill|Spark Mandrill]] ([[User talk:Spark Mandrill|talk]]) 16:31, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
::If Movie and AoE Crosshairs get split, Armada and Cybertron Thundercracker should get split as well. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 08:09, 6 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I think that issue should be discussed on its own talk page. But yeah, this one should be split. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 10:02, 6 July 2014 (EDT)

== Hand grenades ==

The little "pistols" that the AoE Generations toy comes with aren't pistols, if you look closely they're little grenades - they've even got countdown timers molded on them.
:His package refers to them as sidearms. Plus his instructions and stock photos clearly show him holding his accessories as guns, not as grenades. That being said, I can see what looks like a timer. And he can hold them like a grenade. But they're meant to be pistols. Besides, he used those more in the movie than grenades. [[User:Spark Mandrill|Spark Mandrill]] ([[User talk:Spark Mandrill|talk]]) 15:42, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

User talk:Kirby-Force

2014-06-19T00:12:07Z

Item42: /* Hello again */

{{Template:Caption bastard}}
We like 'em fine where they are, good sir.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:52, 11 December 2010 (EST)

==Hello again==
Stop moving stuff around on a whim. You'll be blocked as soon as a sysop turns up anyway. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:29, 18 June 2014 (EDT)
:What did I do wrong exactly? Also, what's a sysop? [[User:Kirby-Force|Kirby-Force]] ([[User talk:Kirby-Force|talk]]) 00:34, 19 June 2014
::Well for a start, you're ban evading, even if this is a four-year-old account. But even if you weren't, moving articles around like without discussing it is a bad idea. And users with sysops have the ability to ban other users. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:38, 18 June 2014 (EDT)
:::Look. I may have made some mistakes in the past, but I promise from now on to not keep replacing any image files unnecessarily again. I've even been helping out by posting some new photos, but then I go and get banned again anyway just because of what I did on one of my previous accounts, and I'm still not forgiven. I'm just trying to help out, that's all, but from now on, I'll only be posting new photos instead of replacing old ones, even though it still doesn't makew sense as to why you prefer user taken images over official stock photos. Can't you at least give me another chance? [[User:Kirby-Force|Kirby-Force]] ([[User talk:Kirby-Force|talk]]) 00:48, 19 June 2014
::::If an account gets banned that means they don't want the person behind the account to keep editing. There is no reason to epect anyone to allow you bak so easily even if it's not the same account. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 20:12, 18 June 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Optimus Primal (BW)

2014-05-09T14:03:28Z

Item42: /* Optimal Optimus is... not here?! */

Robot Masters would be a better title for the article, when it's made. After all, we have articles at [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]] and [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]], rather than either prefixed with "Transformers:". --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 06:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Is there a reason why this isn't in chronological order anymore? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 02:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
: Robot Masters does not occur in American continuity. (Nor does BWII. Our Primal does not possess the Matrix.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't realy agrea with that but I guess your the admin... [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 02:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Says BWX Primal was designed for Cybertron and "slapped into the ann line at the last minute." Do we know that? I would imagine it was always intended to be used in both to help ammeliate the cost.

Why aren't there any images of Optimal Optimus in this article?
~Ithekro

== Bat-Primal ==

I've hear a lot of so-and-so about the Japanese view on bat-primal as G1 convoy.

So, for someone who reads nipponese... does [http://members.aol.com/regenesis0/batprimal.jpg this] say anything at all helpful/interesting? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Nothing that I can make out. --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 11:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:The first sentence under the name says ''Konboi ga Amason de Megatoron to ta ta ka tsu ta to ki no sugata.'' As I have no idea what words are being referred by the Hiragana, I've put the symbol transliteration separate except the obvious one. It seems to say something about Convoy fighting Megatron in the Amazon and changing shape. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 18:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

*“When Convoy battled Megatron in the Amazon, this was his appearance. In order to protect the homes and peace of all living creatures, he changed.”
It would appear he took on this appearance in order to more appropriately battle Megatron in the Amazon jungles. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
: Ah, I didn't think of that angle. I just assumed they were referring to the Convoy that we call Optimus Primal. --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 23:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

:''Ga'' was really confusing me, as my dictionary said it meant "moth". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 18:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

*Ah, "ga" is actually a particle, though there ''is'' a noun "ga" as well. You just kinda have to look at the context. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

==man, whatever steve-o==

BURNING HEART-O PROTECT MY BALLS!!! [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

==Blurgh.==

How come nobody mentions how OpOp's techspecs reference Jetfire? They have the same kind of jet engine, or something like that. Little nifty tidbits like that, 'that's' the kinda stuff we should have here. Honestly.

==Different DVD?==
I know the TRU two pack Primal - Megatron set comes with "Possession". Heck, mine did. But while carousing for TFs recently, I realized that the ones in the store NOW have Cheetor's "Equal Rites". Anyone else experiancing this apparent running change?
:Blech. Equal RITES? I meant Equal Measures. I must have had Discworld on the brain or something. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 08:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Optimal Optimus's handheld gun ==

Did Primal the handheld gun from his Optimal for mon the show? I've been trying to figure out which versions of the various BW toys are closest to the show models, and Optimal Optimus is one of the easy ones (i.e, not slightly different shade of plastic that is hard to judge by tfu.info photos). --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

== Blackjack? ==

Which version of Primal was called Blackjack? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
: Original ape. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

== Optimal Megatron? ==

Re: Titanium Optimal Optimus, "Some fans have identified it more as a representative of Megatron from the final episodes of Beast Machines than as Optimus Primal." Where does this statement come from? Is there actual discussion somewhere on the Web about this? At a glance, that face looks pretty damn Primalicious to me, but if there really are fans who think otherwise... - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 05:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
: At a guess, it's because he has no ape mode. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:23, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, I got that part. But with Primal's face, it seems like a leap to say it's "more representative" of Megatron, so I'm questioning the statement that "some fans" actually think of the toy that way. If anyone can point to an Allspark thread or something, then I'll buy it. But otherwise, I think that line should be deleted. '''EDIT:''' Okay, I've changed the line to retain the observation without the questionable judgement. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== Optimal Optimus ==
Uh, am I the only one thinking Optimal Optimus's upper torso (including arms) is a little similar to [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'? --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 20:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

So, does McDonalds Primal go in Merch or Beast Machines? --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

== Optimus Primal vs Megatron! ==

As it is noted on this page, the events of this mini-comic depicts Optimus Primal as G1 Optimus Prime. Shouldn't that section be included in [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] instead? (or as well?) Same goes for Megatron and his namesake. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 22:03, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

== Split? ==

Would anybody mind if the cartoon continuity section was split off into its own article? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:15, 20 January 2012 (EST)

:Seems okay to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:28, 20 January 2012 (EST)
::Coolsville, daddy-o.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:16, 20 January 2012 (EST)

:-> ''Rearranging; mostly putting the Japanese stuff in its own section.''
::Nice job! ;-D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:15, 21 January 2012 (EST)

== "Down-to-cybertron" ==

That is a great turn of phrase. My compliments. [[User:Cr85747|Cr85747]] 21:09, 5 May 2013 (EST)

== Optimal Optimus is... not here?! ==

There is (A) ZERO information on Optimal Optimus, and Optimal Optimus should be an independent article, rather than redirecting here. A link to my attempt is here: [[Optimal Optimus]][[User:Keepcalm&rollout|Keepcalm&rollout]] ([[User talk:Keepcalm&rollout|talk]]) 09:05, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

[[Optimus Primal/Beast Wars cartoon continuity]] --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 09:46, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

:Yeah, most of the information about the time he was Optimal Optimus is under the cartoon section. The top of the article has a link to it. [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 09:55, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Optimus Primal (BW)

2014-05-09T13:55:02Z

Item42: /* Optimal Optimus is... not here?! */

Robot Masters would be a better title for the article, when it's made. After all, we have articles at [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]] and [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]], rather than either prefixed with "Transformers:". --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 06:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Is there a reason why this isn't in chronological order anymore? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 02:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
: Robot Masters does not occur in American continuity. (Nor does BWII. Our Primal does not possess the Matrix.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:13, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't realy agrea with that but I guess your the admin... [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 02:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Says BWX Primal was designed for Cybertron and "slapped into the ann line at the last minute." Do we know that? I would imagine it was always intended to be used in both to help ammeliate the cost.

Why aren't there any images of Optimal Optimus in this article?
~Ithekro

== Bat-Primal ==

I've hear a lot of so-and-so about the Japanese view on bat-primal as G1 convoy.

So, for someone who reads nipponese... does [http://members.aol.com/regenesis0/batprimal.jpg this] say anything at all helpful/interesting? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Nothing that I can make out. --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 11:06, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:The first sentence under the name says ''Konboi ga Amason de Megatoron to ta ta ka tsu ta to ki no sugata.'' As I have no idea what words are being referred by the Hiragana, I've put the symbol transliteration separate except the obvious one. It seems to say something about Convoy fighting Megatron in the Amazon and changing shape. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 18:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

*“When Convoy battled Megatron in the Amazon, this was his appearance. In order to protect the homes and peace of all living creatures, he changed.”
It would appear he took on this appearance in order to more appropriately battle Megatron in the Amazon jungles. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
: Ah, I didn't think of that angle. I just assumed they were referring to the Convoy that we call Optimus Primal. --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 23:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

:''Ga'' was really confusing me, as my dictionary said it meant "moth". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 18:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

*Ah, "ga" is actually a particle, though there ''is'' a noun "ga" as well. You just kinda have to look at the context. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

==man, whatever steve-o==

BURNING HEART-O PROTECT MY BALLS!!! [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

==Blurgh.==

How come nobody mentions how OpOp's techspecs reference Jetfire? They have the same kind of jet engine, or something like that. Little nifty tidbits like that, 'that's' the kinda stuff we should have here. Honestly.

==Different DVD?==
I know the TRU two pack Primal - Megatron set comes with "Possession". Heck, mine did. But while carousing for TFs recently, I realized that the ones in the store NOW have Cheetor's "Equal Rites". Anyone else experiancing this apparent running change?
:Blech. Equal RITES? I meant Equal Measures. I must have had Discworld on the brain or something. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 08:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Optimal Optimus's handheld gun ==

Did Primal the handheld gun from his Optimal for mon the show? I've been trying to figure out which versions of the various BW toys are closest to the show models, and Optimal Optimus is one of the easy ones (i.e, not slightly different shade of plastic that is hard to judge by tfu.info photos). --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

== Blackjack? ==

Which version of Primal was called Blackjack? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
: Original ape. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:11, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

== Optimal Megatron? ==

Re: Titanium Optimal Optimus, "Some fans have identified it more as a representative of Megatron from the final episodes of Beast Machines than as Optimus Primal." Where does this statement come from? Is there actual discussion somewhere on the Web about this? At a glance, that face looks pretty damn Primalicious to me, but if there really are fans who think otherwise... - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 05:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
: At a guess, it's because he has no ape mode. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:23, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, I got that part. But with Primal's face, it seems like a leap to say it's "more representative" of Megatron, so I'm questioning the statement that "some fans" actually think of the toy that way. If anyone can point to an Allspark thread or something, then I'll buy it. But otherwise, I think that line should be deleted. '''EDIT:''' Okay, I've changed the line to retain the observation without the questionable judgement. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:26, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== Optimal Optimus ==
Uh, am I the only one thinking Optimal Optimus's upper torso (including arms) is a little similar to [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]'? --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 20:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

So, does McDonalds Primal go in Merch or Beast Machines? --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

== Optimus Primal vs Megatron! ==

As it is noted on this page, the events of this mini-comic depicts Optimus Primal as G1 Optimus Prime. Shouldn't that section be included in [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] instead? (or as well?) Same goes for Megatron and his namesake. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 22:03, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

== Split? ==

Would anybody mind if the cartoon continuity section was split off into its own article? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:15, 20 January 2012 (EST)

:Seems okay to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:28, 20 January 2012 (EST)
::Coolsville, daddy-o.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:16, 20 January 2012 (EST)

:-> ''Rearranging; mostly putting the Japanese stuff in its own section.''
::Nice job! ;-D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:15, 21 January 2012 (EST)

== "Down-to-cybertron" ==

That is a great turn of phrase. My compliments. [[User:Cr85747|Cr85747]] 21:09, 5 May 2013 (EST)

== Optimal Optimus is... not here?! ==

There is (A) ZERO information on Optimal Optimus, and Optimal Optimus should be an independent article, rather than redirecting here. A link to my attempt is here: [[Optimal Optimus]][[User:Keepcalm&rollout|Keepcalm&rollout]] ([[User talk:Keepcalm&rollout|talk]]) 09:05, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

[[Optimus Primal/Beast Wars cartoon continuity]] --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 09:46, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

:Yeah, most of the information about the time he was Optimal Optimus is under the cartoon section. Where else would it be? [[User:Item42|Item42]] ([[User talk:Item42|talk]]) 09:55, 9 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys

2012-04-17T10:13:57Z

Item42: /* Sound Convoy? */ new section

== THS-01 ==

Hi.

I couldn't help but notice that the [[Hybrid Style]] [http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/HybridGalaxyConvoy/galaxyconvoy.htm THS-01 Galaxy Comvoy] is missing from this list - any particulr reason why this is so?

(I have that figure, though not with me in Canada - but I'm not sure if I have enough details to do an entry for it myself...)--[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 17:56, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

:I added an entry for THS-01 - but does anyone have a stock photo, or other suitable image, which can be used to illustrate it? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 12:39, 2 March 2010 (EST)

== (Armada) Optimus prime GPS problem? ==

Can it be that the original super base version of 'prime suffers from this? I picked one up from a garage sale, and moments later, the smaller Optimus Prime figure's arm just BROKE without stressmarks and there was a little dust falling off.(good that i only payed 10 euros, but still...)--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 14:51, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

::I've had my 'Prime for several years and just a couple days ago, the left arm for the normal mode broke off after I noticed it was not as "stiff" as the other wrist. It looks like a GPS fracture, 'cause picking at the piece attached to Prime's arm, a small piece chipped off. Good thing the only other gold plastic on the figure is the button on top of the cab and the super mode's "exhaust pipe" things on the sides of the head. All the other gold is just paint. I just hope superglue can at least temporarily help Prime keep it together. [[Special:Contributions/75.163.226.233|75.163.226.233]] 03:48, 20 March 2010 (EDT)

== Wing Convoy PVC ==
I've got a Wing Convoy PVC, Takara, 2004. Is there any other info on this guy?[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 23:24, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:There should be. I guess nobody ever got around to adding info on the Armada PVCs. I know Hot Shot and Sideways have them, considering who worked on the pages (;P). Feel free to add info if you have any. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:26, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

==Optimus Prime and Overload (Multi-pack, 2005)==
: I just noticed that the picture of the combined mode with Overload also is combined with Jetfire. Was he also included?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 16:54, 28 March 2010 (EDT)
:: He was not. That probably means we need a different picture. --[[Special:Contributions/152.15.24.58|152.15.24.58]] 15:14, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
:::Hasbro stock photos are craptacular. I just grabbed that about 2 years ago and hoped it would work. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

== Armada Super-Con lacks Matrix? ==

Thought i remembered it having one (sculpted, non-removable), but the article says not.
[[Special:Contributions/70.17.201.185|70.17.201.185]] 01:37, 2 December 2011 (EST)
: That's only in the larger, Super-Base version. The smaller, "Deluxe" Prime does not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:44, 2 December 2011 (EST)

== Sound Convoy? ==

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=C3599P0014&mode=vintage [http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:fdS7lK_3KgUJ:www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx%3Fproduct%3DC3599P0014%26mode%3Dvintage+http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx%3Fproduct%3DC3599P0014%26mode%3Dvintage&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk (and Google Cache, in case)] What is this thing? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 06:13, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys

2011-08-23T07:51:03Z

Item42: /* Revoltech and Robot Replicas */

== Buster Optimus Prime? ==

Where did you get all that info? Any officially released pictures? Or are you simply going off stolen Chinese toys? [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 13:29, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:He has appeared at the Tokyo toy show.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:41, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:If you've seen me going around telling people off on this wiki, you should know I don't add info from unofficial toy leaks ;) They had Buster Optimus Prime on display at the Tokyo Toy Show. Two leader Primes with new parts, all painted up, and unlike Hasbro, what you see is usually what you get with TakaraTomy.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:43, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
::Ooooh, nice. I don't do Takara, though. Except once, with Universe Hound. Besides, I prefer Faceplated. But I'm sorry for accusing you. :/ [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 13:49, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:::No worries :P Thread's been deleted, it seems. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:50, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Leader Voice Chip ==

My UK bought one says "I am Optimus Prime".

[[User:The Ideon|The Ideon]] 19:36, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Power Up Prime ==

Was the Voyager Class Powered Up Optimus Prime cancelled or is it still on hold? because on the Optimus Prime page, it says it was cancelled, but in the Jetfire page, it says it hasn't been released yet

--[[Special:Contributions/190.206.80.130|190.206.80.130]] 19:24, 13 February 2011 (EST)

== Dual Model Kit ==

Should the information of [http://i.imgur.com/0NkT3.jpg Dual Model Kit] be added? Or it should be waited until the prototype comes out? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:23, 23 February 2011 (EST)

== DOTM Voyager Takara redeco ==

I saw some stock images of a redeco iof DOTM Voyager Prime with new parts for a non-powered-up truck mode: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/0/5/9/7/untitled_1298551815.png --[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:46, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Mini Optimus Prime ==

The one that came with Starosphere? I located his page on TFU.info, and this link is where it is: [http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/MiniOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Optimus Prime at TFU.info]

== ARRRGH!/ROTF Optimus Prime/Jetfire voyager class combo ==

There are too many loose ends for the subjects!!! This ends HERE!/O.P. article reads it's been cancelled but Jetfire's article it's upcoming-- no wait, it's all right! ... I think.

== Stealth Force Optimus Prime ==

The box depicts more weapons than the figure actually has, including a missile rack above the windscreen, missiles above the rear wheels and an opening panel on the large fuel tanks. Also it depicts the headlights being attached to the grill. {{unsigned|188.28.194.113}}

== Battle Blades Prime's well, blades. ==

Are they really removable? Because it says that in the accessories list, but the swords sure seem like they're just made of soft plastic and aren't really meant to be detached.
[[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 15:01, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
:They are, entirely BECAUSE the're soft plastic. They're held on by a mushroom joint, making them fairly easy to pop on and off. However, they can deform if you do it too much. Personally, I'd exercise caution. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 13:00, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

== Revoltech and Robot Replicas ==

So, why is [[Robot Replicas]] under toys, but [[Revoltech]] is under [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/merchandise#Revoltech|merhandise]]? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 02:33, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
:My guess is it's because Revoltech is made by Kaiyodo, a third-party company, unrelated to Hasbro or Takara/Tomy -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:10, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
::But, the merchandise page also covers HasTak merch as well as licensed third-party products! [[User:Item42|Item42]] 03:51, 23 August 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys

2011-08-23T06:33:47Z

Item42: /* Revoltech and Robot Replicas */ new section

Talk:Shockwave (Movie)

2011-03-08T17:58:57Z

Item42: /* Dark of the Moon */

Anyone care to get a picture of his altmodes? [[User:Felancer Prime|Felancer Prime]] 00:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Dark of the Moon ==

Not really a rumor: [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-3-Push-Pops-Readers-Digest/dp/0794423094/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1287431242&sr=1-7] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:11, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
:Whoops. Anon said it was a rumor, so... I took it as such. Don't worry, I'll put it back in. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:21, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
::Technically that isn't the type of thing that would be in the "Notes" section. Neither is the "Shockwave will be the main villain in The Dark of the Moon. That should be in the "Fiction" section. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:27, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Uh, no it isn't. Fiction covers fiction. Not news about fiction. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:28, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
::::News about fiction? I didn't think the wiki did that. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:33, 18 October 2010 (EDT)

Shouldn't Dark of the Moon version of Shockwave have his own article? I don't he's the same Shockwave we know from Transformers: The Game. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 12:08, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

:Sorry for updating my previous message. I wrote accidently Starfield's user name. But it's fixed now--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 12:08, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
::The Optimus Prime from the G1 cartoon isn't the same as the Optimus Prime from Hearts of Steel, but they don't have separate articles. Generally speaking, no character gets more than one article per continuity family. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:43, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah. We might have to refocus the article on the DOTM portrayal, but there's little point in separating out the game version. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 06:39, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
::::There is precedent for separating out a video game character with a later major motion picture character in [[Sideswipe (Movie)]] and [[Sideswipe (ROTF)]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:13, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Which leads me to ask why those are separated in the first place. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:03, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::Looks like the talk page was lost. There was a discussion on it. I was against separate articles. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:18, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I thought I remembered a discussion there! I think it was a case of [[author intent]] trumping the lack of canon. Not sure that that is a good guide in situations like this, though. A video game is not always developed as a piece of fiction (which we are treating them as). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:39, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::The situations are different. The fundamental concept of both versions of Shockwave is the same. The Sideswipes are... two guys with the same name, one without much of a personality. If you wanted to merge the two, I don't think anybody would really care at this point. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:39, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Agreed Interrobang, I mean they're both purple one-eyed Decepticon scientists. Who's to say he didn't pay a visit to Earth before 2011, I mean we barely saw what the Autobots did before getting to the Hoover Dam... [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:52, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::We don't have to try to make the events of a video game fit in with the movies. The events of the video games already don't fit in with the movies. Shockwave didn't have to pay a visit to earth 2011 for him to make sense on this page, it just means in one microcontinuity he did something differently than in most. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::If the 3D Battle Card Swerve and the ROTF Sideswipe retool Swerve can be considered Swerve, I really see no reason why the Shockwave from the first movie's tie-in games and this Shockwave can't be considered the same. And I believe the same thing for the first PSP game's Sideswipe and ROTF Sideswipe. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:04, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

Wikipedia says his toy is a Voyager and is a Cybertronian tank.—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:03, 24 January 2011 (EST)
:Wikipedia does not keep to the same stringent requirements that we do for sources. No official sources have said what his toy will be, so we WILL NOT LIST IT. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:12, 24 January 2011 (EST)
:This very wiki is ''unofficial''!—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:20, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::Have we ever claimed that this wiki was ''official'' in the first place? And how many times have we said about citing official sources when it comes to upcoming materials? Wikipedia doesn't count, and even they have to cite official sources at a later point. Why do you think their articles occasionally have "citation needed" marks next to certain phrases? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:12, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:I really don't get how you can't put unofficial stuff on an unofficial website, but OK, I'll follow the rules. Sorry for any problems.—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:09, 27 January 2011 (EST)
::While the website is unofficial, it is our policy to only cover official material. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:29, 27 January 2011 (EST)
:::Then makes me wonder about [[Unofficial conventions]].—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 16:11, 1 February 2011 (EST)
::::Ad [[BotCon 2004]].—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 16:12, 1 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Those are significantly different. Those aren't unofficial, stolen Transformers information, they're unofficial fan gatherings, one of which later became an OFFICIAL fan gathering. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:35, 1 February 2011 (EST)
Are we still saying the "mysterious robot" that cameoed in ROTF is the same Shockwave that will be in DOTM? It doesn't look like the same guy. Maybe we have to wait and see if it is plausible for him to have been on Earth in 2009. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:23, 16 February 2011 (EST)
:if it's not plausible, what's gonna happen to that section? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:58, 8 March 2011 (EST)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2011-03-08T10:33:22Z

Item42: /* Captured-Prey ads */ new section

Talk:Sonokong

2011-03-07T17:09:55Z

Item42: /* Lost their license */

== OBJECTION! ==
In his first point of testimony on the Sonokong/Takara toyline differences, the article's author stated thusly: 
:"For example, their Car Robots line is missing the three basic-size Destrongers and the three Super Car Brothers."

Yet in his third point of testimony, he stated: 
:"For example, the Super Car Brothers were released only as a 3-pack."

Clearly a contradiction, your honor. Either the toys were missing entirely or they were released as a 3-pack.

''(Oh, sweet "Not Guilty" verdict, here I come{{m-}}wait, what game am I playing again?)''--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 06:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:I removed the first reference. Because it looks the most wonky. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::You erased the wrong one. I meant to put "Car Bros" instead of "Super Car Bros" in the second excerpt. It's fixed now. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 01:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

===Lost their license===
If they lost the TF license around 2007, how come [[BigBadToyStore]] had restocked on a bunch of sonokong TFs earlier this year? Is it that they could still make older, pre-2007 product? Or were those actually made by [[Mocom Toy]] and BBTS mislabeled? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:06, 7 March 2011 (EST)
:What makes you think those aren't old product? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]]
::So, BBTS just tracked down unsold stock from several years ago, is what you're telling me? (By the way, their website actually had an icon labelld "Sonokong TF '''Restock''', so it's not just stuff they've always had in stock since forever like they did with Battle Unicorn) Do they do that often? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:56, 7 March 2011 (EST)

Talk:Sonokong

2011-03-07T17:01:01Z

Item42: /* Lost their license */

== OBJECTION! ==
In his first point of testimony on the Sonokong/Takara toyline differences, the article's author stated thusly: 
:"For example, their Car Robots line is missing the three basic-size Destrongers and the three Super Car Brothers."

Yet in his third point of testimony, he stated: 
:"For example, the Super Car Brothers were released only as a 3-pack."

Clearly a contradiction, your honor. Either the toys were missing entirely or they were released as a 3-pack.

''(Oh, sweet "Not Guilty" verdict, here I come{{m-}}wait, what game am I playing again?)''--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 06:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:I removed the first reference. Because it looks the most wonky. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::You erased the wrong one. I meant to put "Car Bros" instead of "Super Car Bros" in the second excerpt. It's fixed now. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 01:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

===Lost their license===
If they lost the TF license around 2007, how come [[BigBadToyStore]] had restocked on a bunch of sonokong TFs earlier this year? Is it that they could still make older, pre-2007 product? Or were those actually made by [[Mocom Toy]] and BBTS mislabeled? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:06, 7 March 2011 (EST)
:What makes you think those aren't old product? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]]
::So, BBTS just found unsold stock from several years ago, is what you're telling me? (By the way, their website actually had an icon labelld "Sonokong TF '''Restock''', so it's not just stuff they've always had in stock since forever like they did with Battle Unicorn) Do they do that often? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:56, 7 March 2011 (EST)

Talk:Sonokong

2011-03-07T16:56:30Z

Item42: /* Lost their license */

== OBJECTION! ==
In his first point of testimony on the Sonokong/Takara toyline differences, the article's author stated thusly: 
:"For example, their Car Robots line is missing the three basic-size Destrongers and the three Super Car Brothers."

Yet in his third point of testimony, he stated: 
:"For example, the Super Car Brothers were released only as a 3-pack."

Clearly a contradiction, your honor. Either the toys were missing entirely or they were released as a 3-pack.

''(Oh, sweet "Not Guilty" verdict, here I come{{m-}}wait, what game am I playing again?)''--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 06:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:I removed the first reference. Because it looks the most wonky. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::You erased the wrong one. I meant to put "Car Bros" instead of "Super Car Bros" in the second excerpt. It's fixed now. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 01:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

===Lost their license===
If they lost the TF license around 2007, how come [[BigBadToyStore]] had restocked on a bunch of sonokong TFs earlier this year? Is it that they could still make older, pre-2007 product? Or were those actually made by [[Mocom Toy]] and BBTS mislabeled? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:06, 7 March 2011 (EST)
:What makes you think those aren't old product? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]]
::So, BBTS just found unsold stock from several years ago, is what you're telling me? Do they do that often? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:56, 7 March 2011 (EST)

Talk:Sonokong

2011-03-07T15:06:11Z

Item42: /* OBJECTION! */

User:Item42

2011-03-07T15:00:46Z

Item42:

I am a user here. That's rather obvious. No need to tell everybody about myself, yet. Or possibly, ever.

{{note|I may disappear from this wiki from time to time.}}

==External links==
* [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/ThatHuman Me on TV Tropes wiki].
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NotARealWord Me on] [[Wikipedia]].

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2010-10-05T15:37:43Z

Item42: /* Frank Miller */

__NEWSECTIONLINK__

This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

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* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
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* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
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== TFsource ad buy ==

TFsource contacted me, having seen our perennial Reprolabels ad up above and wanting in on a piece of the action, wanting to permanently buy one of our other ad spots. The question I have is, would/should we restrict them from ads depicting "third-party" toys and bootlegs? Perhaps this is the ghost of BotCon hovering over me, since their Wall Of Trademark And Copyright Theft Directly Facing the Hasbro Booth is prominent in my mind, and I know a few of the editors here expressed some displeasure with that. Is that a big deal for anyone, does anyone care in this context, or should I be all "ABSOLUTELY!" and then we make a deal and rake in the dough? Can we even judge, since we have, you know, all of this scanned material and whatnot? These are the questions I present. Tell me how much they matter. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:24, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:All else being equal I'd prefer to avoid it, unless we're desperate for cash. We know some Hasbro staff look at this wiki and they've been clear in how much that stuff bugs them. Also, the more our pageviews include imagery of Fake Magnus Armor and Fake Springer and Fake Rod et al., the more we're going to have to deal with new arrivals who feel that's all kosher for inclusion in the main articles. If it's possible to get a TFSource ad that will never display a bootleg, then I'd have no problem with it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:36, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Seems like a reasonable restriction for us to make to me. My take on our scans is that one, we generally err on the side of fair use in not uploading entire pages and making sure we credit the hell out of things, and two, they're not a 100% vital part of the wiki anyway--if Hasbro told us to take every scan down tomorrow we could comply and still have a perfectly usable (just a less visually exciting) wiki. 
::That's kind of different from openly advertising toys that totally violate Hasbro's copyright, though. Even aside from the legal tangles (which is no small aside, certainly), while I know we are in that murky grey area in some things, we ''have'' always tried to play as fair as we can with Hasbro in how we operate. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:40, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree, no knockoffs in our ads if we can help it.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:44, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ditto on no knockoffs in the ads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:59, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::ALL ABOARD THE DITTO ASTROTRAIN --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:07, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::N-O on the K-Os. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, if TFSource can give us ad without IP infringing product, I say let em in. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:17, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Yikes, I'm looking at the side banner right now and it's full of IP infringing products. The one I see has Knight Morpher Commander, Crossfire Munition and Explorer and Warbot Defender. The only ACTUAL Transformers product in there is Masterpiece Ghost Starscream. I think it would be bad form to keep ads like that on the site. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:19, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ads without IP infringing material would be fine with me. [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]] 18:56, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Ugh. When they were allowed to buy the ad space, did they promise no knock-offs? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::Big NO on knockoffs, including third-party. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:51, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I am cool with them buying adspace IF they only advertise official Transformers products. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:14, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::I say YES to having the Third party stuff on here. As you can see by the continuity discussion above Hasbro don't really give a damn about Transformers fiction the way we do. The third party stuff proves that those guys have passion that many in Hasbro do not. And "knock-offs" is a bit harsh, no? So in summary, screw Hasbro and yeah Fansproject! And let's be honest if the choice as to who controls Transformers came down to a two-way battle between Hasbro and TFWiki, who would you pick? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:44, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Drmick, we're talking '''''IP infringement''''' here and we occasionally have actual Hasbro folks peek in here time to time. I think I speak for the others in that none of us wants them knocking on the wiki's doors with some form of a C&D or something that'll restrict us (save certain circumstances). We've probably toed a couple lines somewhere more than several times, and I for one, do NOT want our relationship with Hasbro to be messed up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 12:22, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::What LG said. Also, we're not talking about putting Fansproject's knockoffs on the wiki itself... just adspace for sites dedicated to selling such knockoffs. And I'm giving that idea a big fat ''hell no''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:49, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::No doubt the only reason the ad is still up is because Walky's on the road. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:38, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::What ad are you guys seeing? All I see is a Project Wonderful sidebar ad (current bidder is Unreal Books) and reprolabels permanent banner up top. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::I'm seeing a TFSource ad ABSOLUTELY FULL of pics of third-party stuff. And MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:57, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::Yeah, for some reason I'm not seeing any of that. I just see two Project Wonderful ads on the left hand side "Advertisement" sidebar, so TF Source's ad must be triggered by IP address or something. Also, if the ad is already up after only one day (or less) of community consultation, and Walky's not around to deal with administration problems relating to it (especially as there is a fear of how TF Source's wares would look to Hasbro), then that's poor planning on his part, (no offense intended, boss.) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:02, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::Weird, it's gone for me, now. Where it was I have a Project Wonderful ad displaying Akemi's Anime World. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:11, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::Still there for me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:36, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::Just tried it on another browser that I never use (in case there's some cache thing on the main browser - no change, I don't see the TF Source banner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::Project Wonderful ads are localized, guys. TFSource probably just shelled out the dough for their ad in the States only. I've never seen it up, myself. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:34, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::I'm in ''Poland'', Detour. That's on an entirely different ''continent'' than the US. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:37, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::I'm in Canada, and I have seen it. I just don't see it anymore. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:44, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::Wait, you're Polish? I had no idea. You talk gooder English than me. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:39, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::: The advert's currently only displaying in Europe. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:26, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::::: No wonder, all I see are just two Project Wonderful random ads. And I'm in Taiwan. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 05:52, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TFsource said they were willing to give us a banner that has no third-party stuff on it! Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yeh, that sounds nice to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:09, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::And it should be noted that during the time we were displaying the "offending" ad, we had not yet agreed to have an adspace bought out by TFSource. They'd just bought the ad the normal way, and as they'd been a prior bidder, they were pre-approved.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:13, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Excellent - my apologies, Walky. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:00, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
That sidebar ad with the knock-off Swindle, Springer, and HoS Optimus has started showing up for me again, in Canada if that's relevant. It had stopped showing up less than a day after I first saw it, but now it's there again. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:46, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

:Another Canadian here. Same situation as Cattleprod. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:58, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

::Me too, same ad as before, knockoffs and all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:12, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yep, knock-off ad here too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:44, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

::::On the Project Wonderful site, both the Canadian and EU traffic are seeing the version of the banner with the Munitioner upgrade sets, Knight Morpher Commander and Warbot Defender. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:24, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Now I see THE ad, too. (Taiwan, Asia) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

Welp, Californian and now I'm seeing the Munitioner set, alongside Knight Morpher and Warbot Defender with MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm in Ohio and getting Naruto vol. 48 as the ad. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 02:45, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

::TFSource's knockoffs ad is back for Canadian and European visitors. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:59, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Seeing all sorts of KOs advertised now. Can we void their contract and keep their money as a fine for breaking their agreement with us? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:02, 15 July 2010 (EDT)PS- since when is NC in Europe/Canada?

:::Welp, [http://img535.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead01.jpg/ this] [http://img693.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead02.jpg/ I certainly] [http://img14.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead03.jpg/ agree]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:05, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Same here, and I'm American. I'm only sort of mentioning this because they let someone steal my credit card. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 22:50, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::As mentioned, we haven't actually committed to any deal yet with them, and any ads you see are them going through the standard Project Wonderful process. They've bought ads with us before, and thus as long as they have the high bid, they're pre-approved. They're going to have the proposed first-party-products-only ad to submit to Walky sometime next week.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:11, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

====Guys====
There is no "contract" to "void." Their permanent ad buy hasn't STARTED. They've been advertising with those particular ads for months. You've just finally noticed them because I brought them up. We haven't even discussed what the ad space will cost them since I've been busy and they said they won't have a new ad for us for about a week anyway. So, like, chill out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:31, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:For months? Huh... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:21, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

====And it's done====
TFsource owns our skyscraper until whenever they don't want to anymore. It's all official stuff, so everyone happy? (Yay!) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:Can we please somehow code it to say "This ad comes with a 100% chance of not causing us headaches" beneath the ad? (Nah, not really.)
:Also, I'm happy. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

:Looks awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:That looks great! Nice and slick-looking. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:55, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Simon Furman's IDW pitch ==

So here's a thing. The following text is Simon Furman's original pitch for Transformers comics when IDW took up the license, printed in the back of the "Best of Simon Furman" hardback collection. I skimmed this a few years back when the book was released and it passed under my nose at work, but since then, we've never had any of the info on the wiki, and I've never seen any discussion of it on any forums - presumably because none of us actually BOUGHT the dang thing, since we own all these stories in multiple formats already. I borrowed the book and transcribed the pitch so that anyone interested can read it, and we can maybe actually do something with the info. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:01, 8 July 2010 (EDT)
:Hmm. I've never seen this before. It's pretty interesting that Furman was itching to do Cybertron , which is weird, because by the time IDW was announced as the new comic licensee, Cybertron had started. Would take awhile to get a Cybertron comic up and running, I would think. By the time it came out, it might be already too late. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:58, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::It wouldn't surprise me if that's why it was modified so much. But, um, should we be duplicating this sort of material here? I mean, sure, The Best of Simon Furman wasn't the most popular book, but isn't this just copyright infringement? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 03:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, that was on my mind as I was transcribing it. I don't really intend to permanently house this anywhere - I just wanted to get it up so people could get a look, take in the info, maybe do something wiki-related with it, then I'd scrub it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TRANSFORMERS… A NEW DIRECTION

A Proposal For IDW

--Simon Furman--

In the (Armada/Energon) Cybertron timeline…

…UNICRON IS DESTROYED, utterly wiped out of existence by a seismic shock warhead detonated deep within its superstructure (events which would be visited retroactively in any subsequent ‘Energon’ conclusion issues).

But as one threat to Cybertron ends, another has only just begun. A rift in time and space – a massive ‘chronal’ black hole formed by the annihilation of Unicron – is threatening to suck Cybertron in, tear it apart in an internal maelstrom of deconstructed space and time. Only by anchoring the planet, via a spacebridge, to Earth’s energon core can Cybertron maintain its tenuous position, but it’s at best a quick fix. To seal the rift, they need the power of PRIMUS, the progenitor of the entire TRANSFORMERS race. But while a fragment of the dormant Primus lifeforce exists within Cybertron, the rest is lost, scattered throughout the universe, buried deep within strange, alien worlds.

Roused (from eons of chronal stasis in a dimension outside of normal space and time) by the impending cataclysm, the immortal sentinel known as Vector Prime spearheads the search for the Primus lifeforce, guiding Optimus Prime and his Autobots on a quest that will take them to aliens worlds in the farthest corners of the galaxy and beyond. But where Prime and the Autobots go… Megatron and the Decepticons are never far behind.

Clad in the armor of Unicron, fuelled by a fragment of his Spark, Megatron has become a true agent of chaos. He’s prepared to sacrifice Cybertron, Earth and any other world in order to contain and absorb the lifeforce of Primus himself, his ultimate aim to transform himself… into a living god!

And the ‘Cybertron’ timeline is not the only one to feel the effects of the destruction of Unicron. In fact… it’s one of the lucky ones.

<<In all the disparate timelines, all the myriad dimensions, there is but one Unicron. Though physical presence is limited to a single reality at any given time, it exists simultaneously in countless dimensions, shadows of its vast, ancient consciousness inextricably interwoven into the complex geometry of time and space. Its destruction in the Cybertron timeline creates ripples, which become shockwaves, which gather force, become a tidal wave of destruction. In some realities, the effect of the ‘chaos wave’ is total, instantaneous, entire timelines… wiped out. In others, the initial effect is less pronounced, a dramatic event heralding a slow descent into space/time anarchy.>>

In the G1 timeline…

…CYBERTRON IS DESTROYED! The resident Autobots and Decepticons barely have time to evacuate the planet, to eject the core of the planet and it’s precious Vector Sigma cargo (an eventuality made feasible way back when [in The War Within v3]) before the planet is torn apart, smashed into component molecules by the roiling chaos wave. Many Cybertronians don’t make it at all, and are simply wiped out. In a shockingly short time, Cybertron is gone. Forever.

Shocked, stunned, bereft of their homeworld, the remaining populous finds itself spread far and wide throughout the galaxy, seeking (in the Autobots’ case) safe harbor or (in the Decepticons’ case) new worlds to conquer… and colonise. Megatron’s Decepticons have perfecting ‘mechaforming’ technology, invasive, self-replicating machinery designed to restructure the entire geological substructure of a planet, in effect turn it into a new Cybertron. And since the Decepticons are indifferent to the presence or fate of any indigenous civilizations on the planet(s) of choice, it’s down to the Autobots to stop them… at any cost.

Earth, always a pivotal world in the G1 timeline, becomes even more of a focal battleground. Its natural resources are a potent brew that – with the right exploitation and manipulation – can be turned into energon, the lifeblood of the Transformer race. In Decepticon hands the whole world would be turned into a vast refinery, bled dry to fuel the creation of the ‘new’ Cybertron.

And Optimus Prime has an even more pressing concern. Contacted by Vector Prime (who can move within all remaining TF timelines), he is warned that the omniversal geometry is critically out of alignment. The removal of – for want of a better word – ‘evil’ has disturbed an age-old natural balance. Though it goes against every Autobot credo, they must somehow resurrect the dark force known, among other things, as Unicron! The key is the so-called ‘Decepticon Matrix’, a quasi-mythical power source spread throughout the galaxy. Said to be fragments of Unicron itself, released in some apocalyptic confrontation with Primus before the dawn of time, its retrieval and coalescence could restore the balance and dissipate the chaos wave.

Reluctantly, with grave reservations (and considerable dissent in the Autobot ranks) Prime forges an uneasy alliance with two of Unicron’s heralds, Cylonus and Scourge, both of whom are dedicated to the rebirth of their master (for different reasons). But, unknown to Prime, they have a secondary agenda, a plan to use a fragment of the Decepticon Matrix to destroy Megatron… and recreate him as the unstoppable force known as Galvatron!

<<And so, in one timeline, the Autobots seek to make Primus whole once more, while in another, they seek to resurrect the spirit of Unicron, leading ultimately to the new, universe-shaking confrontation between the two ancient forces… one that will (briefly) unite all remaining TRANSFORMERS timelines and continuities in an epic battle for survival.>>

CYBERTRON #0 (AND ONGOING)/G1 #0 (AND ONGOING)

Amidst the larger framework of the ‘chaos wave’ saga, the ongoing thrust of Cybertron is a focused series of one or two-part (largely self-contained, featuring different character assortments) adventures set on Cybertron, Earth and the key planets (Speed, Beast and Giant) that support its core quest… the search for the lifeforce of Primus. At every turn, the Autobots are confounded and frustrated by the Decepticons, but in the process forge new alliances and friendships, both on Earth and beyond. It’s a race against time… with the fate of Cybertron (and more) hanging in the balance.

The G1 title expands the scope and reach of the line, exploring wider character/conflict story arcs (while pulling in much more fan-friendly past and future continuity) and dramatically shaking the whole TRANSFORMERS mythos to its core, streamlining and redefining the sometimes confusing mass of ‘alternate’ timelines. But as with Cybertron, the focus will shift to different groups of Autobots/Decepticons on different worlds, faced with differing agendas and challenges.

The issue #0s will be mirror-images of each other, both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an omniverse in chaos, threatened on all fronts. His narrative will serve to encapsulate what has gone before while his actions introduce the primary cast and lay the groundwork for what is to come.

===Noticed something===

{{quote|both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an '''omniverse''' in chaos}}

Some use of the word [[omniverse]]. Wow. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:16, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

===Added it in somewheres===
I've added references to that thing at [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] and [[Cybertron (franchise)]]. Did I do it right? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:21, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

== Usernames ==

Our latest user [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] has what I consider to be a somewhat inflammatory username considering the how many arguments ensue regarding the live-action movies. It's probable that you would have difficulty registering on a forum with such a username. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:I was thinking the same thing. We blocked some guy from registering such a name referencing Detour, why should we allow such statements against Bay? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:09, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, I also thought his name was inappropriate. I don't think personal threats would be acceptable here, particularly about such a controversial figure in Transformers fandom. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::On Wookieepedia we routinely block people for having inappropriate names. I see no reason why we shouldn't have a similar policy here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:19, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::How he creates a new account and the old one is blocked? Some of his edits aren't too bad; I don't see why he shouldn't get a second chance. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:21, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Block the old account, post a nice note explaining that we want him to stay and continue working but that he cannot use a name that is attacking/insulting any person. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:32, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::I am in support of this, but he should be informed via his talkpage for one full day prior to the block, for the sake of not being too harsh. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:04, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I fully agree with Detour. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:18, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Now we just need to find an actual admin. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:12, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::And set the thing right. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:47, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::Well, he ignored Abates. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:52, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::I was [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] but then I kinda stop using it because some mind find it offensive. So I am sorry for my inflammatory username. --[[User:HeyTFWiki|HeyTFWiki]] 05:17, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Official sources policy ==

Recently, some of us have been explaining to a user why video from a cellphone camera of the movie set cannot be taken as official sources. I was going to link to the official sources page when I realized that I do not know what it's called and cannot find it. Which brings me to this point: we actually took the time to write out and codify our what we consider to be official sources, right? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:It's at [[Help:Official info]]. And next time, somebody should probably just place the <nowiki>{{scoop bastard}}</nowiki> template. (I was going to but couldn't find a good chance.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

== Disgusting ad ==
Sorry if I'm posting this at the wrong place, but is there anywhere we can complain about the ads on the wiki? Not to overstep my (very modest) bounds here or anything, but that ad with the GIANT PIMPLE on the back of the guy's neck is really off-putting... You've probably all seen it by now right? I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks this... Call me squeamish if you will, but it's really bothering me... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm with this 100%. I'm so glad I haven't eaten a thing all day, because I'd have lost my breakfast and my lunch by now. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:49, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't mind so much if it would only pop up occassionally (then again, my gross tolerance is relatively high). But to be confronted with the world's largest zit every page I go on this wiki... Rather not. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:55, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I checked the PW sites - must have been outbid so I missed it. What the heck was it for? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:37, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::::It was for a website ''about the world's largest pimple!'' It was [http://www.worldslargestzit.net this] I believe. SO not missing that ad. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:19, 16 July 2010 (EDT)

==Disamb template on calendar pages?==
So while fiddling around with the latest additions to our "day in history" pages, I got to thinking. Separating bullets with a blank line adds to our pages' sizes because that adds a "list start/stop" in the coding, yes? 
Well... does the <nowiki>{{disamb}}</nowiki> Template do that when we split that up with a blank line between them? The only real difference we ''see'' on the page is a "—" instead of a ":" after the bolded year. I fiddled with it a bit (without saving) and it looks good to me; I'll probably do up a Sandbox. If using this template doesn't add to the page size in the back-end that we don't see in the normal edit window... it sure would make it easier to read in said edit window, plus give the lists that litlte extra space between lines for readability on the normal pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:45, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yes, putting spaces between {{tl|disamb}} also causes the problem whereby each item is in its own list. We can space out the more compact lists on the normal pages using css, but I don't think there's any way to space them out on the edit window due to the way MediaWiki parses stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:43, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well, that's goddamn irksome. It's too easy to get lost in a mass of unbroken text in the edit window. but if we can add jsut a little space between items in the final result, I'll be happy. Though this does beg the question of whether we should move over to using the disamb template anyway for calendars. Probably ought to be going over our disambiguation pages and bringing them up to code anyway (well, where dates are applicable). At the very least, I'm liking the use of em-dashes instead of colons. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:23, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

==TF Wiki Firefox Search Engine Add-On==
I'm surprised that one wasn't created a long time ago. It would make things incredibly convenient, and it can't be that hard to make. Anyone else like the idea? Anyone here have experience?
--[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:27, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Please elaborate. What function exactly would such an add-on serve? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:32, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::None. You can add the wiki to the search engines list without messing with addons. Just go to a page on the wiki, and click on the down arrow in Firefox's search box. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:38, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Wow, I must be blind. Thanks guys. There should be something on the home page encouraging visitors to do just that. Might help with traffic. --[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:50, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

== In regards to expo 86. ==

Hey, Editor from Seibertron.com here. The front page list a request about "Information on the Transformers presentation at Vancouver's Expo '86".

I was about 11 then but I spent a lot of time at Expo during that summer. I don't remember any presentations per say, but I do remember that Hasbro (or at least Hasbro Canada) did have a presence. Namely they had 3-4 outdoor kiosks located around the fair, these were freestanding units with each one branded with one of four Hasbro properties, I clearly remember one being for Transformers and another for My Little Pony, the other(s) escape me at the moment but I am fairly certain that GIJoe wasn't there, and one could have been a generic Hasbro one. Additionally, one proper store was set up more for kids goods in the Red Zone near the Land Plaza and UFOH2O, that stocked the same items.

Due to the size of the units a good amount of available items were blister packs mainly Scamble City units. Boxed TF's were available but in smaller amounts (For some reason I want to say a good number of Wreck-gars and Gnaws were there) Sadly due to the location everything was more expensive than they could be found for at local stores. What was cool is that each of the kiosks regardless of how they were branded had a bit of everything, and they occasionally had loose pieces on hand. (I do remember playing with a Swindle at the actual TF Kiosk.

Don't know if that really helps but hopefully it did. Feel free to contact me thru Seibs if you have any questions.

:Hmm, that's interesting, though, it being your memories from about 24 years ago, I'm not sure how "article information"-worthy it is. Would you happen to have any photos taken of the event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:25, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

::Not in my personal collection, but since writing the above I have been looking thru some online records of the fair to see if I can spot those kiosks. If I remember correctly where a couple were I might be able locate some. If I can find them I'll post here.

:::In our anon's defense, I offer the following taken from a story titled "Expo '86 a hit at luring firms through turnstiles" written by Jennifer Hunter, and published in the May 1st, 1986 edition of ''The Globe and Post'':
::::Expo is offering corporate exclusivity; there was already a soft-drink manufacturer, a car maker and a bank, but no toy company. Hasbro - with 1985 sales of $1.2-billion (U.S.) and profit of $99-million - is one of the largest toy manufacturers in North America and seemed a likely candidate to fork over dollars for a world's fair.

::::Mr. Hassenfeld and his brother Stephan could not resist the Expo slogan - Invite the World. A global showcase for Hasbro toys was too good an offer to turn down. So the Hassenfeld brothers delivered a cheque for $2-million (Canadian) to sponsor the Expo Centre geodesic dome. In return, Hasbro toys will be sold on the fair site.

::::"Bringing the name Hasbro before the public is the major reason we are participating," Mr. Hassenfeld said.

:::So it looks like his memories are probably accurate. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:22, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Hopefully '''''whomever asked for this information in the first place''''' will pop in and comment. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:53, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Titan Magazines ==

Is there a reason why none of the Titan Movie comics pages have Featured Character boxes? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:It is highly possible that the pages (or at least the sections) are still under working. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:52, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

::They seem pretty complete other than the featured character lists. Not sure what's up with that! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:26, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:::*makes note to add Featured Character boxes to as many Titan Movie comics pages as possible sometime in the near future* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:53, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== No Hasbro Q and A? ==

Just wondering: Are we not participating in the Hasbro QandA's any more? We apparently didn't submit anything to the last one (along with a lot of other places weirdly, did Hasbro trim the list of who could ask or something?). Anyway, according to the Allspark the next set of questions are due Aug 9th, just wanted to see if anyone knew what was up? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:30, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
: We didn't send in questions because they were due during BotCon and we messed up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well it's kinda understandable. We were hardly the only ones to miss it, given the slim list of sites with questions for July. Anyway, we'll have question solicitation for August open soon then? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:45, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== An article on racing ==

Not sure if this is exactly the right place to ask this, but...

Would an article on [[racing]] be appropriate for the wiki? Races do seem to crop up a lot in TF fiction. Off the top of my head, I can think of the [[Trans-Europe Express]] (G1), the race series where [[Road King]] was found (Masterforce), the nutty race where everyone tried to lure out [[Skid-Z (RID)|Skid-Z]] (RID), the one the Autobots had after Inferno died (Energon), [[Velocitron]]'s entire culture (Cybertron), and [[Street Demon]] (Animated).

Aye or nay? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 13:23, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
: If there's enough races, perhaps a category would suffice? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::Might I suggest [[Cybertronian_sport#Races|here]] as a starting point.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:37, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Didn't know about that page. Yeah, that's more appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:52, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Fan translated manga images. ==

I noticed quite a few images of manga that have fan translations in the word bubbles. It the wiki cool with that? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:55, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Well, I for one don't mind, because it lets me understand what's going on... it's official media, just translated by fans. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:58, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::If the person uploading it can vouch for the accuracy of the translation, then I have no problem with it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:04, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Movie 1 characters vs drones ==

Am I alone in thinking maybe we should split up pages like [[Longarm (Movie)]] and [[Swindle (Movie)]] into pages that cover the individual characters and the drones in their likeness separately? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:56, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:I'd agree with that. I thought we had already done that for some of them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:36, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree with the splitting if possible. Since individual characters are much different from drones. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:20, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Split 'em. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:33, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Reissues and rereleases ==

Which reissues deserve to be listed separately from their original release? For some reason, reissues of G1 toys have been listed separately on some pages but not on others. I think [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s toy page mentions aimsing to list all reissues separately. The 2010 [[Piranacon]] reissue is listed separately, but not the 2010 [[Predaking]]. Also, the toys rereleased in [[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] are listed separately on the character pages even though they're ''completely'' unchanged, unlike some reissues of G1 figures. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:35, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:I think part of that is simply older pages not having been updated since the decision was made to separate reissues (At least I'm pretty sure we are aiming to keep them separate). Newer reissues, like the Predaking, have probably been handled in the way the poster in question had seen such things done on other pages, leading to continuing inconsistency. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:58, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
::So, the current standard is to list releases separately? Is that on any help or policy page? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:12, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Wikia ==

Thank god we jumped ship when we did, because Wikia is planning on switching to a new skin.

[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia Preview]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:43, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

:They must have switched already? Because every single Wikia site is completely effed up in IE7 now. --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 18:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::No, they haven't. They're having technical problems with the server they use for css and images. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:12, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

== Explicitly Saying Characters Are Similar To Earlier Characters Of Same Name ==

On the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] talk page, [[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] is saying that characters that are homages to earlier characters of the same name need to have this pointed out, in something like the form "Blackarachnia (Animated) is based on the original Blackarachnia (BW), who first appeared in the Beast Wars franchise."
* Is this a good idea, as it will help people who are new to Transformers learn about the history of the brand?
* Is it unnecessary to point out that characters are similar to earlier characters of the same name, since it's very common, and would involve altering lots of pages?
* Other?
[[User:JW|JW]] 19:18, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:Blackarachnia (Animated) has a lot of similarities and also a lot of differences with Blackarachnia (BW). I don't think I'd go so far as to say she was "based on" Blackarachnia (BW). Swindle (Animated), on the other hand, is a direct transplant of Swindle (G1). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:47, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

::It may seem like a total DUH kind of thing to all the long-time TF fans who inhabit this place, but for our readers, such information seems totally relevant and useful. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:05, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::There's a friggin' disambig right up top in a separated box for... all the charcaters who have the same name! Wow! And we're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of pages where we'd have to do this. It's not quite "This is a picture of Megatron" level DUH, but it's in the ballpark. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:53, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I honestly don't understand what the disambigs have to do with this. The only information they are there to convey is "there are other characters with this name, go to this separate page for a list." They don't in any way tell you "this character who's article you're reading now was based on this other one." Especially since many characters who share the name don't actually have any other relationship to each other. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:15, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Characters with the same name as each other within the same brand are expected to be similar (if not identical) to each other, with older ones serving as inspiration for later ones. If characters of the same name are not similar would seem to be more notable than if they are similar. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:09, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::The Prowls, Scavengers, Razorclaws, and Bonecrushers tend to have very little to do with one another. Note that the main page for the Animated franchise points out that so many of the characters are clear homages to their earlier-series namesakes too. Since it has been over 10 years since the first Blackarachnia did anything, I don't see the harm in putting a one-liner at the top of BA-Animated's "Notes" section saying she's totally based on the first one. Kil is right--it wouldn't be "just so obvious" to a 14-year-old who was brought in by the movies and Animated. To a newcomer, why would it be especially obvious that Animated Ironhide and Blitzwing are based on namesakes from Cold War-era cartoons they never saw? Where's the harm in just one line? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:29, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I have to agree that it's not going to be obvious to someone coming in from the Movie or Animated, or even the Unicron Trilogy that many of the homages are homages. Especially Ratchet, given the drastically different color scheme Movie Ratchet (Rescue Ratchet toys notwithstanding) has compared to the others. I admit, it might seem a litte weird to make what seems to us to be such an obvious note on so many pages but if our goal is to make this Wiki accessible and informative to fans of all levels then I think it's necessary to do so.
::::::And for BA's case, I think it additionally warrants mentioning Binaltech Blackwidow as a direct inspiration. Because even though most of the design cues come originally from her first and TM2 incarnations, I don't think you get to Animated BA with the combination of attributes (and the black gloves) without going through the Binaltech version first. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:06, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I feel it's necessary to point out that a newcomer is probably not going to get to the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] page without passing through [[Blackarachnia (disambiguation)]] first. So, they're gonna be made aware of the Beast Wars character. (Sure, they might get there through other means, but it's not the most likely route.)
::::::However, if the consensus is leaning toward allowing notes of the form "Foo is based on Foo of same name," how do we decide which characters need it? Just from Animated, here's all the characters who visually homage previous characters of the same name: Arcee, Big Bang Prime, Blackarachnia, Blackout, Blitzwing, Blurr, Botanica, Brawn, Bumblebee, Bumper, Cliffjumper, Cosmos, Cyclonus, Dai Atlas, Devcon, Flip Sides, Grimlock, Highbrow, Hot Shot, Hot Spot Major, Impactor Major, Ironhide, Jazz, Laserbeak, Longrack Major, Mainframe, Mixmaster, Octus, Omega Supreme, Omega SPREEM, Optimus Prime, Perceptor, Powerglide, Primal Major, Railspike Major, Ratbat, Ratchet, Reflector, Rodimus Prime, Rosanna, Seaspray, Silverbolt Major, Sky-Byte, Soundwave, Spittor, Springer, Starscream (Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ramjet, Dirge, Thrust, Sunstorm), Steeljaw, Straxus, Strika, Swindle, Swoop, Tracks, Warpath, Wheeljack, Zaur. (I left out the Witwickys and some of the Bumblebee-clones.) Do we add that note to ''all'' of them? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:49, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
In the absence of any strong support either way on this issue, I'm going to assume our current implicit policy holds: When a new character is based on an old character of the same name, explictly pointing it out is neither required nor prohibited. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:14, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity note ==

Which articles don't need one. [[Vector Prime]] doesn't but [[Nexus Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion (Prime)]] ''do''. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:42, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:...what? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:32, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::He means as multiversal singularities the One, Primus, Unicron, Prima, Fallen and Vector don't have continuity notes at the top indicating which franchise they're from. Nexus is just an interesting case, and frankly all the Alpha Trions should be merged. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:43, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: So, any of 'em need removing? (Also, when did I ever admitmy gender either way?) [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:11, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::How about we wait until we have more information before dealing with any of this? I swear. We know so very little about how this new continuity family works with (or doesn't) what's come before, and sweeping changes like merging Alpha Trions may end up being messily reverted. How about we hold the hell off until we learn more. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:21, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::What about [[Nexus Prime]]'s article? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:31, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::What's '''wrong''' with it? Seriously? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:I'm asking about the need for a continuity identifier,which, as pointed out above is absent in some [[multiversal singularity|similar]] articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:18, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:: Those guys aren't made out of other guys. I am wondering very hard why this is an issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: I just want to know how things are supposed to be done so I could do said things properly. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:46, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

== Malware warning ==

I just got a malware warning when I tried to load the page, seemingly resulting from the css file included from [[User:Derik|Derik]]'s site emopanda. I'm taking the call to that script out of common.css until we can get it sorted. Most of the css is also in a local file that's already being included anyway, so hopefully nothing should break. The malware warning refers me to [http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://emopanda.com/&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US this page]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:15, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some Wikipedia user ==

From [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NotARealWord&oldid=381724818 my Wikipedia talk page]
{{note|Yes, I have different usernames on different wikis.}}

{{quote|I take it you don't know the TFWiki very well. It's server is run by [[David Willis|a guy]] who blocked Wikipedia Transformers editors from it He has publically stated that he started that server to have a place away from Wikipedia to make his articles. Anyone who edits in a proper Wikipedia style with limiting things to notable topics with reliable sources (which is me, by his standards) gets reverted and blocked|
User:Mathewignash|
}}

Okay, User:Mathewignash seems to be responsible for a lot of the TF fancruft on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Transformers Wikipedia]. Also has been trying to "save" articles nominated for deletion due to lack of notability. Makes me wonder:
* Is this person somebody the admins here are familiar with?
* How do I respond to that statement against TFWiki? Considering I was pretty welcomed here when I started. Should I point out the users who regularly use ''both'' sites?
* Is there some small corner of the [[fandom]] that likes buttloads of fancruft-y TF articles, but have something against using TFWiki?
* Is this person anything to do with the people asking TFWiki to be more like [[Wikipedia]], despite how its rules are '''very''' unsuitable for a TF-specific wiki? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:[[User:Primal Rage]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:53, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yes, the community here is very familiar with Mr. Ignash. He and Walky have a long history of feuding. Walky has stated that he came here to escape Ignash in particular, not wikipedia editors in general. In the few times I've run across Ignash he seems rather jerky, virtually everyone here seems welcoming to me. Don't know about point three. Not sure if Ignash has connections to any of the various people who don't like the wiki's tone, but your point about wikipedia being a bad model for a TF specific site is a good one. While we do strive for proper citations here, "notability" is not a valid criterion for this site. Few TF characters/concepts are truly notable in a real world sense. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:56, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::Thank you, I try to treat wikis differently since they have different purposes. What about the questions in bullet-point number two? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:01, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Your suggestion of mentioning people on both sites is a good idea, I edit on wikipedia under the same alias but much less frequently and even less substantially. Don't know about anyone else. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:07, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::I do. Rarely and with a different name, but I do. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:13, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Ignash is not worth responding to. Let him play in his turd-filled sandbox. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:21, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Correction. Nobody who thinks that Wikipedia is better than TFWiki is worth responding to. I have learned this the hard way. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:31, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::What about that bit about a small corner of the fandom? User:Dream Focus seems to also fit that description. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:43, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::Yes, there is a small corner of the fandom that likes the Wikipedia-style TF articles. However, I would like to know is where the hell you are getting this stuff about Dream Focus fitting that description. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::::To Item42, read the archives on Matthewignash's user talk page at wikipedia. The man can't even follow the rules that he exhorts as superior to ours. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:49, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Please, do point the above out to him. I'd do it myself but they blocked my IP because I decided that Wikipedia was a piece of crap and went on a massive, 40-account vandalism rampage. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:04, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::From what I can tell, Dream Focus is just against deletion of Wikipedia articles under non-notability, and may not be active in Transformers fandom. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:20, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:The issue, simply, is not with "other Wikipedia users" - it is with Ignash himself. There is a ''reason'' the Transformers articles on Wikipedia are such a jumbled mess of copy-pasted partially-overly-detailed summaries, gross generalizations and list after list of Optimus Prime's appearances in ''Family Guy'' and ''Robot Chicken'' that lack any kind of consistency between each other and he is mainly it. Nearly everyone who ever tried to edit constructively there came here because he never compromises on his stupid, stupid way of organizing an article, and we neither want nor require his presence here. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::It reminds me that I moved to Wikia (long before the Exodus) as soon as I found the TFwiki, and soon after that, I left Wikipedia(TF-related) as soon as I found TFwiki has more strict rules than Wikipedia does in some way (for example, we won't see any leak or unofficial information in TFwiki). (And yes, I can't stand some users on Wikipedia.) Plus, I feel Wikipedia is more harsh on fictional-related articles sometimes. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:41, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Once again, correction. It doesn't really matter what the subject is, it just matters if someone has an axe to grind and if there's an admin who is willing to completely ignore common sense so that the people holding the axes can come out on top. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:19, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Well, now it looks like Ignash can't always [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Transformers/Proposed_centralized_transformers_discussion come out on top]. Seems mostly him and Dream Focus trying to stop the article deletions. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:15, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

I think most of us at some point or other already came to the conclusion that Wikipedia was never going to have in-depth Transformers coverage. I'm pretty at-peace with that, because it was never realistic to think that they'd ever do it in the granularity that a dedicated wiki like this place can afford to do. Ignash came over here at one point, and I more or less went to bat for him, which I realize in retrospect was a mistake. The guy's very set in his ways, and he's poison to collaborative projects.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:37, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

:A general purpose encyclopedia (Wikipedia) cannot and should not have the same depth of coverage as dedicated references (tfwiki). Just as you wouldn't expect articles on every minor Shakespearean character on Wikipedia, you shouldn't expect every minor TF to have an article there. As far as going to bat for Ignash, I actually agreed with you standing up for him. Everyone deserves a chance to contribute. The problem was that he didn't want to contribute and collaborate and work within the guidelines here, because of that he is banned. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

::[[Wikipedia]] has just '''way''' too much TF fancruft. The big-time deletion "campaign" going on right now should be able to fix ''some'' of that. Hopefully. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:12, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

:::Dream Focus [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dream_Focus is on Wikia]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:19, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

===Wikipedia's TF Project===
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers|Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers]] 666 articles. Heh [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:26, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

== Dimension-hopping ==

Should that get an article? The "Fiction" sections on [[continuity]] and [[multiverse]] seem mainly about that. Comparing those sections, it seems they're somewhat... redundant. Maybe a separate article about dimension-hopping would be better. Maybe the article should also cover characters moving within the same [[continuity family]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:34, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:The "multiverse" really only appears in fiction when dimension-hopping is involved, so that's why the fiction section is all about dimension hopping. "Continuity" probably doesn't need a fiction section since it is pretty much a wiki thing explaining how the wiki is organized. You are right that we should talk about dimension-hopping in the same continuity. There is a mini-multiverse in the G1 cartoon episode [[Madman's Paradise]] that should be commented on. How does [[Menonia]] relate to the [[multiverse]]? That's a good question. I think that can be explored on the "multiverse" page though. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:53, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Would it be okay if I (or anybody else) removes the "fiction" section of "[[continuity]]" and puts up that information in "[[multiverse]]"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== User admonition templates ==

Is there a list of the various templates that can be placed on a user page to give them advice (editing tips, spelling, no scoops, no fanon, etc)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:27, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[:Category:User notice templates]]. There are some in there that rarely get used! --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:32, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks, NCZ. I could not remember the "correct english" one and couldn't find a page that had one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:58, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Can anyone explain to me why categories that apply to specific toys are put on the general article for the character that toy represents and not on the image of the particular toy? Why not put the category tags on the picture's own page? For example, [[Starscream (Movie)]] is not actually a Kmart exclusive, the Nebular Starscream toy is. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:33, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== Links that overexplain jokes ==

I got reverted on [[Soundwave (ROTF)]] because apparently, adding links to explain captions ruins them. (I didn't remove or change the joke, just added the links. )Should that be on the official caption policy? . Although, I'm rather concerned that more casual readers might not understand references (like "[[JaAm|hump that tank]]" for example), and I don't intend to confuse people. So really, is it so bad to explain jokes (through wikilinks) for the sake of people with little TF knowledge? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:08, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:Well, y'know what they say - "If you have to ''explain'' a joke, there ''is'' no joke." Personally, I've always loathed joke-explaining word-linking, especially when it's to something off-site. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:30, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::Personally, I think that adding those links introduce casual wiki-readers to more TF stuff, and that content should be written with more clueless readers in mind. Although, if it's just ''that bad'', maybe it should be mentioned on the policy page. It's easier to avoid doing things when you know you should. Also, what about on-site linking, like potholing "hump that tank" to [[jaAm]]? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:50, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
Anyway, can I (or anyone else) do at least a ''little bit'' of on-site caption linking?[[User:Item42|Item42]] 18:19, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:43, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Then can someone please put that up on [[Transformers Wiki:Caption]] so that people can be sure that's what the community as a whole wants, and not just the two people who responded here? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:55, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

== Next Hasbro Q&A Questions due Mon! ==

According to the Allspark the next round of Hasbro Q&A questions are due 1 week from today (Sept 13). I know we havn't even recieved the last set of answers back yet. But shouldn't we set up a page to take question submissions for next Mon. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:33, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

:Hey, how come we haven't gotten answers from the [[Hasbro Q&A/August 2010: Question submission|most recent one]] yet? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 17:20, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

::Because Hasbro's a busy place and they haven't had a chance to get them back to us yet. They're usually a week or two behind their estimated return date, nothing new there. This IS the first time I can recall where the next questions might be due before the last set of answers appears though. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== RFC Wiki Spotlight ==

What-ho. If any wiki contributors happen to be listeners of [http://www.tfradio.net Radio Free Cybertron], you may have noticed that I've started doing a small spot on the show called the "Wiki Spotlight", highlighting an interesting article each week and drawing attention to it. Thus far I've just done our featured articles of the last two months, but I figured I'd open up the floor to any and all random suggestions as to what articles - big or small, well-known or obscure - deserve a mention. Speak up! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:07, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[Angry Archer]] and [[Thor]]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:48, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::[[Sky-Byte (RID)]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:::[[Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III]]! -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:56, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::::[[Shockwave (G1)]] looks pretty good to me. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:38, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::[[Wheelie (G1)]], [[Scale]] and [[B.O.T. (episode)]] might be fun to feature. Can I also suggest that a link to the article mentioned be placed on the tfradio.net post accompanying the podcast, because it'll be easier for the listeners. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:48, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

A while back I tried to edit the [[fandom]] page to mention the Podcasts around at the time (TFWIRE, WTF@TFW and the joke that was the Tformers podcast at that time. But TPTB wiped the whole lot! That was a pretty big "Screw you!" to the podcasts. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 15:21, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

== Toy patents ==

User: Sarujo at Wikipedia posted a list of TF related patents. I have put them in [[User: Khajidha/sandbox|my sandbox]]. I've found and corrected a few errors/misidentifications already. Is this material useful or was it all already known? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:30, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:Interesting stuff. Do you mind if I go through the unknowns and put names on the ones I can identify? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:35, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Feel free, that's why I posted the link. I won't have time today to give it the thorough going over it deserves. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:39, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Thanks. And that, as they say, is that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:22, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::They still need to be resorted. Warpath wasn't a Microman mold and it would probably be useful to have the Scramble City molds separated. Beyond that, I don't know. I don't want to get it so sorted that it becomes LESS useful. If nothing else, I figured the notes about inventors/designers might be data otherwise hard to come by. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:32, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Anyone willing to go trolling through patent listings? We seem to be missing those for several members of various combiner teams. Perhaps they can be found by cross referencing those we do have? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:54, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::The designer data ALONE makes these worthwhile. That's awesome information. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:28, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I've conveyed our thanks to Sarujo over at Wikipedia. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:18, 13 September 2010 (EDT)

== Photos of toys ==
I found [[Wikipedia:Template:Non-free 3D art|this]] bit about copyright law.
*Does that mean ''every'' photo of an official TF figure needs a note like "character and toy design under copyright by [[HasTak]]"?
*Should this site also make a template like that?
*Would this be a good reason/excuse to copy photos from other fansites since ''your own photos'' (and anyone else's) would still have to go under fair use?
-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:47, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
: I think that specifically applies to non-US countries, particularly IIRC Germany (Nevermore, confirm/deny?). As the Wiki is hosted in the US it isn't really relevant... yet? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, the Wikipedia template in that link says:
{{quote|This is a two-dimensional representation of a copyrighted sculpture, statue or any other three-dimensional work of art. As such it is a derivative work of art, and per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106 US Copyright Act of 1976, § 106(2)] whoever holds copyright of the original has the exclusive right to authorize derivative works. 

Per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 § 107] it is believed that reproduction for criticism, comment, teaching and scholarship constitutes fair use and does not infringe copyright.}}
So it ''is'' US-relevant. Although, looking at the [[Wikipedia:Template talk:Non-free 3D art#totallydisputed|talk page]], it seems that said law(s) might not be something to take seriously. So, no stealing toy photos? If not, can I try to get the clearly stolen ones (like one section of [[:Image:20thAnniversary OptimusPrimesm.jpg|this]]) replaced? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:44, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:IIRC the law in question came up during (of all things) Batman Forever, when a copyrighted piece of industrial statue donated to a city as used as a shooting location in the film, got integrated into the sets, showed up on t-shirts and promotional cups, etc... the studio ended up paying millions in damages.
:Generally when I (rarely) take toy photos, I note that the '''photo''' is released to the public domain but ''Character likeness is {{c}} Hasbro 20XX'', making it clear that the ''photo'' is free, but its subject may not be. (Making a sculpture based on the photo would, obviously, present copyright issues.) Character likeness, IMO, seems like a better phrase to use than design since with multiple toys over decades, that's really what's being protected here-- not the transformation schema of mold D-22B.
:Part of what it means is that virtually '''no''' images on the wiki are eligible for "Copyleft," the status of absolute-public-domain with no entailment or restrictions. (This is not unique. A photo of your own family with a Coke ad in the background isn't eligible for Copyleft either.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:04, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::Derik, how do you release something in public domain if you can't release it under copyleft? Also, does this mean that it's okay to steal toy photos? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:04, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

== Galvatron ==
So in [http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2010/09/14/hasbro-transformers-qa-august-2010-answers/ ASM's Q&A response], Hasbro pretty much officially says to consider Galvatron a separate character from Megatron for all practical purposes. How do we tackle this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:I interpret it as saying that in inducting Megatron, Galvatron is not being inducted by connection, since [[Megatron (Animated)|not all Megatrons have become Galvatrons]], and some interpretations of Galvatron (like IDW) are separate from Megatron. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:00, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I don't think this really changes anything about the way we've already got Galvy covered. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:14, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

== Excessive Trivia Sections ==

Ok, a few days ago I attempted to clean up some trivia sections. I realize in hindsight I was tired and being a wanker and was removing valuable information, and I apologize for that. However, I think some of our trivia could definitely stand to be integrated into the articles themselves, especially notes like "This character's Universe toy was..." or "in the Energon comic, so-and so was completely different". I would like to integrate these but I was hoping to get an opinion on this, since I went about it wrong once already. Thoughts? -- [[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 12:44, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
:Agreed. The Notes sections (shouldn't be Trivia anymore) are for information that doesn't fit elsewhere. If there is a logical place to put it, move the information there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:58, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Editing Drift's related materials ==
Actually, this would cover whatever anyone of us have a '''large''' dislike of, but yeah. This is a wiki, where we're supposed to be informative and be able to present the info in a fun way. I'm not entirely sure of how objective we can be (humor aside), but the whole kerfluffle on Drift's mini and cameos showing in his mini is making me worried on the attitudes of certain editors that could easily descend into a editing/name-calling/accusation war. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:39, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
:My position is the Wiki doesn't have to be ''objective'', so long as it isn't ''unreasonable''. There are plenty of flaws in Drift and Shane McCarthy's work to poke fun of -- there's no reason to create ones that aren't true.
:I was re-reading Drift #1 and happened to notice he DID suffer damage from those laser blasts while fleeing. I remembered that note on the Wiki joking that he was "laser-proof", so I removed it. I also posted on the Talk page explaining why. Detour restored the Note several times anyway, even though it was false as written. He eventually tried to re-write it, adding something about Deadlock surviving blasts that blew off Jetstorm's head earlier. Nowhere in the comic did Jetstorm's head get blown off. Drench's did, notCarnivac's did, but Jetstorm was fine. It just shows that Detour doesn't care about being accurate so long as he's not giving an inch on anything Anti-McCarthy on the Wiki.
:So really -- can't we be ''better'' than that? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 22:05, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but I really think Detour shouldn't be allowed to edit anything connected to McCarthy. And I'm pretty much branded an irrational anti-McCarthy troll on the IDW boards, so I think this is saying something. I'm first in line to complain when ''he deserves it'', this sort of stuff is just petty and weakens the valid criticism by association. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:25, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::So because I mixed up Drench and Jetstorm's name, I'm now "making stuff up"? Now who's being irrational? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:39, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Please try to be accurate when editing articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 02:57, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I don't think you really comprehend this discussion and the situation leading up to it, Item42. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:17, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Um, people generally hate [[Drift (G1)|Drift]], this wiki's editors want to have reliable articles, and Detour got stuff mixed up, which people blame on his anti-Drift-ism. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:53, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

== External Links ==

Similar to the whole business of changing all the "Trivia" sections into "Notes" sections, this is just a heads up for anyone who wants to chip in for a mundane task: if you ever see a link to TFU.info (or a similar toy site) in the External Links section of a character's page, relocating it to that character's Toys section would be super-awesome. (And if the External Links section subsequently becomes empty, get rid of it.) I wouldn't really describe this as a task with much urgency behind it, but it will make characters' pages look consistent, and consistency looks nice. It's really a minor edit that's easy and quick to do, and I'd appreciate some help in this fiasco. An example of how this is supposed to look like can be found at [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal's toy section]]. So keep an eye out while you're bored and clicking that "Random Page" button. :) --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 12:37, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
:I've been trying to do these whenever I come across one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
==Who hosts your wiki now==
Wikia is making more unpopular changes, [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia] with a new skin which is even more unpopulat.

In this angry discussion, your site was mentioned as one site which said "f--- you wikia" and left, which I respect so much, and would like to emulate.

I am wondering who is hosting your wikia, and how much does it cost per year? If you could do it again, how would you do it differently? Who could I maybe ask these questions too?

Thank you. [[User:Adamtheclown|Adamtheclown]] 17:12, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:We're hosted on [http://www.slicehost.com/ Slicehost]. What you go for hostingwise will really depend on how popular your site is though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:25, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

== McAfee SiteAdvisor review rating this site incorrectly ==

As a countermeasure to viruses on the net, I have a special version of McAfee that has this widget-type thing that gives me ratings on the security of certain websites. I have noticed that this website was recently given a big, fat red "X" rating, showing that this website contains malware and other things, all because of one single rating that the reviewer said he did not like this website. He did not say this was a malware site, but the system apparently decided to take ''one'' person's personal opinion and rate this site as a horrible website so every time I go in, I get this asininely huge message saying "MCAFEE HAS TESTED THIS SITE AND FOUND IT TO BE BLAH BLAH BLAH".

I don't think that just one siteadvisor reviewer (myself) can turn around that rating. Sure, a website can be full of people with questionable morals and values, but that has no reflection on the security of the website. Can I have a little help here?

Here is the page for this website: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/tfwiki.net?premium=false&client_uid=1093063016&client_ver=3.1.0.175&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0-884&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0&pip=true --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 08:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

:Questionable "morals and values"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:27, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I feel like I know that guy from somewhere. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Gotta be [[User: Primal Rage|mignash]]. Also, how could it be a bad shopping experience, we don't SELL anything. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::No, mignash doesn't spell that well. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:43, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::People usually say "bad shopping experience" in place of "bad experience" because there is a bulleted selector so you don't have a lot of choices. What I don't like is having this website have a false security rating, I don't really care about that negative reviewer with the social rating. It's a ''security'' database, not how good or bad something is socially. Maybe the person was [[User:Trolly McTrollerson|Trolly McTrollerson]] and since he was b& he just wanted to troll even more? --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:45, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Meh. Considering David Willis's reputation as a "fandom boogeyman", stunts like this hardly surprise me. There's a lot of petty fans who apparently categorically refuse to edit this wiki out of hatred for Willis (which apparently also stops them from editing at Wikia as well, go figure...) and who basically go "Yeah? I know Transformers! I'm going to make my own Transformers wiki! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the wiki!". So, yeah. Hardly surprising. I've dropped off a review myself, but it still doesn't appear to be enough to raise the rating... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:11, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::If Walky wants to dispute it, he can use support@siteadvisor.com to see if that'll fix the rating. Really, that negative "shopping experience review" is ridiculous. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:15, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Sorry I can't help much, all I can add to this discussion is that the negative review is likely from a British TF fan, due to his use of the word "cleverer" which I can count the number of times I've heard it from a non Brit on one hand. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:21, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::WAIT! I stand corrected. In one of his other reviews he uses Shaw Secure, and Shaw is a Canadian ISP. That's what I get for trying to analyze someone's vocabulary, I guess. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:23, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Hmm, the wording's very similar to the Google Sidewiki comment we got dated the same day as this. I suspect it's the same dude. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:39, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::I ****LOVE**** how Walky disputed this "The site is indeed full of assholes, but it's malware free." That's us all right! Apparently that was enough to tip us into a green/safe review. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:28, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Fan-configurations of toys ==

(From [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fan-mode|here]], I'm not sure who "User:Divebomb" is though)
Should we have an article on how people would have made-up modes of their toys just because the toys can be configured that way (such as that "combination" of Classics Jetfire and Optimus Prime)? Or maybe just mention that stuff in an article somewhere (like [[Toy]])?
{{note|I'm not suggesting we mention that on individual character ''pages'', cos that will just spiral out of control.}}

-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I find it odd that we don't have a fan-mode article here. It seems like it would be a valid topic, and a few famous/infamous examples should be mentioned on that page. I agree that we don't need to mention them on individual pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:37, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::FYI, User:Divebomb would happen to be me. (Don't tell the Wikipedia guys that though.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Once you admitted to something on a ''publically viewable'' webpage, there's really no stopping the info from getting out. You didn't have to admit who it was ''specifically''. But, I guess if you're gonna be good over there, you ''might'' be allowed to stay. Doesn't Wikipedia have something for reformed vandals? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:53, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::You're assuming they're even gonna notice. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::I like being honest. If anybody asks, I can tell them who "Divebomb" is, since I never agreed to keep it secret. Don't tempt me. Also, we (both of us) should get back on topic. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:52, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I think it is certainly a good idea to make a page such as that! I happen to be very interested in this kind of thing because I, too used to dick around with my toys and I want a wiki article on it; I don't want to search around on geoshitties-type websites for such things. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:It would have to be kept brief, with just a few well-known examples, or we'd have people forever adding the fan mode they thought up five minutes ago to turn classics Bumblebee into a turtle with the head of a walrus. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::The toilet mode for [[Shortround]] and his redecos should definitely be listed. The Classics [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Classics|Optimus Prime]] and [[Jetfire (G1)#Classics|Jetfire]] combination is another probably notable one. Mention should be made that the design of many movie toys allows multiple configurations.Oh, and the "gerwalk" mode for G1 Jetfire. Beyond that, I'm not sure. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:10, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Don't forget that not all modes are Fan Created. The Jetfire gerwalk mode, for example, is displayed in his instructions, sort of making it official. I remember quite a few instruction booklets showing alternate modes [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:17, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Guess I should have left that one out, I put it in as an afterthought. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:21, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Not going into specifics, but the multiple modes created from RID Megatron and how some of the fandom kept looking for additional modes. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 10:16, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== [[Frank Miller]] ==

A bit of an edit war or something [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Frank_Miller&action=history here]. [[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] and [[User:Detour|Detour]] changed the caption to a [[david Willis|Shortpacked]] reference, changingthe caption to a picture '''I uploaded'''. Isn't that [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|wrong]] or somesuch? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:54, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I guess if other people dislike a joke, then it's okay to change the caption, I think. A while ago, Eire changed a caption I added on [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]'s page, but I didn't mind because the new one was funnier. If you take offense, however, that's something that needs to be discussed.--[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:58, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thing is, their edits put in an '''external link''', that explains the joke. If you look further up this page there's (currently) a section with me getting told by [[Chris McFeely]] and Interrobang that doing so would be a ''bad''thing. If I have to stop doing that, then so should they. Plus, changing a caption like that is discouraged by policy. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:02, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh lordy McLordlord. Okay, first of all. "Who the hell do you think I am?" was Kamina's catchphrase and that's why Konishi gets it. "WTHDYTIA" is merely a small portion of the larger "What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!", and generally the first part to be left out when it's misquoted because it's so forgettable there compared to what comes before and after it. It's really a poor-ass choice of words for Miller's caption any way you look at it. Second of all, the Shortpacked link does not, as you put it, "explain the joke". The joke doesn't need explaining if you know ANYTHING about Miller, that's why it turned meme mere moments after Willis put it up. It's there because that's where the joke originated, and the comic's funny. Just because there's a link in a caption doesn't mean it's a deliberate attempt at explaining a joke. Look around and you'll see plenty of other captions with such links within them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:17, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::''Second of all, the Shortpacked link does not, as you put it, "explain the joke". The joke doesn't need explaining if you know ANYTHING about Miller,'' What kind of logic is that? "The link doesn't explain the joke, provided you already understand the joke!" Anyway, while I am personally probably more in favor of linked-text jokes then some seem to be lately, I think they should only be done when the links are inter-wiki. Also, if Item42 put the image up, I say let him keep his own damn caption. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Eh, I guess if it's Uploader's Choice... I finally managed to be provided with a much cooler image of Miller that's in tune with other real-life people's photos (such as [[Maurice LaMarche]] and [[Ernie Hudson]]), going with an unlikely role of theirs. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:53, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

:::Ahem,
#I know both lines pretty well.
#Just because people do that a lot,doesn't mean it should be done (for example, the caption page has a list of jokes this community is sick of. An example outside this wiki would be main namespace-conversation on TV Tropes)
#I thought the captions are supposed to be a bonus for people who upload stuff?
#It would be much better if this wiki's pages policy give more comprehensive/complete advice.
[[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:23, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:Did... did Detour just upload a ''different'' picture of Frank Miller just so he could get to "win" and make up it's caption? Seriously? Wow. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:54, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::He did both and it's fuckin' hilarious. Much better than anything that was there before! --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 12:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't even disagree that it's a better picture for us to use, it's just to up and do that right in the middle of this discussion is, well... kind of a dick move, really. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:58, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::Not exactly. I'd been asking around for a still of Frank the chemist for a while now. The previous caption just gave my acquaintances the extra motivation to it for me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:00, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
Why the fuck are we having a discussion on this. 
::::I don't have a problem with somebody changing the caption if they uploaded a new picture. Unless... a few hundred pictures are uploaded over old ones just because somebody wanted to change the caption. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:14, 1 October 2010 (EDT)
I would like to point out that half of the discussions on this page in the last six weeks have been started by Item42. Can you dial back the need to have elaborate explanations for reverts of your edits, please? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:32, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:To prevent edit warring? I don't see why this shouldn't be discussed. (Though I might point Item to our Allspark thread for other discussions.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:36, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I suppose I should also ask why we're having an edit war over a ''caption''. Guys. ''Guys.''[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Also, why isn't this being discussed on [[Talk:Frank Miller]]? The Community Portal is for sitewide stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:28, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

Sorry that I overreacted. found the [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51208 Allspark thread], I think. There should be a link to that somewhere on the help pages or something. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:37, 5 October 2010 (EDT)

== Skin ==

What the hell happened to the skin? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:41, 1 October 2010 (EDT)
:No, seriously, what happened? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:48, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
::I don't see anything wrong with it. Is something not working? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:33, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Well, the Monacobook colours seem to have randomly changed. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:59, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Must be a problem on your end, because I use MonacoBook and nothing seems different to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:01, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Weird. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:58, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I even tried clearing my cache, and it all loaded up fine. You could try doing the same and seeing if it fixes the problem. If not, post a screen shot and maybe someone will recognise the problem. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:08, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Cache clearing didn't work.
:::::::[[Image:Skinwtf.JPG|thumb|right|250px|That is what Monacobook now looks like.]] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:42, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I just noticed emopanda's been suspended by its webhost. You've still got the code for Derik's tools in your personal css file, and the fact that emopanda's now giving you an html file instead of css is probably confusing your browser. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:48, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I removed the offending code, and BAM! the skin is back to normal. Thanks. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:00, 4 October 2010 (EDT)

== Talk:/Talk: pages ==

Is there some way to prevent all the spammers from creating these pages? There doesn't seem to be ANY legitimate use for such a page, can't it be forbidden or limited to admins or something? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:40, 1 October 2010 (EDT)
:I believe I brought this up at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism]]. No one responded. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:50, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

:Not without installing some sort of blacklist extension. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:57, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

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== TFsource ad buy ==

TFsource contacted me, having seen our perennial Reprolabels ad up above and wanting in on a piece of the action, wanting to permanently buy one of our other ad spots. The question I have is, would/should we restrict them from ads depicting "third-party" toys and bootlegs? Perhaps this is the ghost of BotCon hovering over me, since their Wall Of Trademark And Copyright Theft Directly Facing the Hasbro Booth is prominent in my mind, and I know a few of the editors here expressed some displeasure with that. Is that a big deal for anyone, does anyone care in this context, or should I be all "ABSOLUTELY!" and then we make a deal and rake in the dough? Can we even judge, since we have, you know, all of this scanned material and whatnot? These are the questions I present. Tell me how much they matter. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:24, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:All else being equal I'd prefer to avoid it, unless we're desperate for cash. We know some Hasbro staff look at this wiki and they've been clear in how much that stuff bugs them. Also, the more our pageviews include imagery of Fake Magnus Armor and Fake Springer and Fake Rod et al., the more we're going to have to deal with new arrivals who feel that's all kosher for inclusion in the main articles. If it's possible to get a TFSource ad that will never display a bootleg, then I'd have no problem with it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:36, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Seems like a reasonable restriction for us to make to me. My take on our scans is that one, we generally err on the side of fair use in not uploading entire pages and making sure we credit the hell out of things, and two, they're not a 100% vital part of the wiki anyway--if Hasbro told us to take every scan down tomorrow we could comply and still have a perfectly usable (just a less visually exciting) wiki. 
::That's kind of different from openly advertising toys that totally violate Hasbro's copyright, though. Even aside from the legal tangles (which is no small aside, certainly), while I know we are in that murky grey area in some things, we ''have'' always tried to play as fair as we can with Hasbro in how we operate. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:40, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree, no knockoffs in our ads if we can help it.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:44, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ditto on no knockoffs in the ads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:59, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::ALL ABOARD THE DITTO ASTROTRAIN --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:07, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::N-O on the K-Os. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, if TFSource can give us ad without IP infringing product, I say let em in. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:17, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Yikes, I'm looking at the side banner right now and it's full of IP infringing products. The one I see has Knight Morpher Commander, Crossfire Munition and Explorer and Warbot Defender. The only ACTUAL Transformers product in there is Masterpiece Ghost Starscream. I think it would be bad form to keep ads like that on the site. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:19, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ads without IP infringing material would be fine with me. [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]] 18:56, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Ugh. When they were allowed to buy the ad space, did they promise no knock-offs? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::Big NO on knockoffs, including third-party. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:51, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I am cool with them buying adspace IF they only advertise official Transformers products. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:14, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::I say YES to having the Third party stuff on here. As you can see by the continuity discussion above Hasbro don't really give a damn about Transformers fiction the way we do. The third party stuff proves that those guys have passion that many in Hasbro do not. And "knock-offs" is a bit harsh, no? So in summary, screw Hasbro and yeah Fansproject! And let's be honest if the choice as to who controls Transformers came down to a two-way battle between Hasbro and TFWiki, who would you pick? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:44, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Drmick, we're talking '''''IP infringement''''' here and we occasionally have actual Hasbro folks peek in here time to time. I think I speak for the others in that none of us wants them knocking on the wiki's doors with some form of a C&D or something that'll restrict us (save certain circumstances). We've probably toed a couple lines somewhere more than several times, and I for one, do NOT want our relationship with Hasbro to be messed up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 12:22, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::What LG said. Also, we're not talking about putting Fansproject's knockoffs on the wiki itself... just adspace for sites dedicated to selling such knockoffs. And I'm giving that idea a big fat ''hell no''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:49, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::No doubt the only reason the ad is still up is because Walky's on the road. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:38, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::What ad are you guys seeing? All I see is a Project Wonderful sidebar ad (current bidder is Unreal Books) and reprolabels permanent banner up top. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::I'm seeing a TFSource ad ABSOLUTELY FULL of pics of third-party stuff. And MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:57, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::Yeah, for some reason I'm not seeing any of that. I just see two Project Wonderful ads on the left hand side "Advertisement" sidebar, so TF Source's ad must be triggered by IP address or something. Also, if the ad is already up after only one day (or less) of community consultation, and Walky's not around to deal with administration problems relating to it (especially as there is a fear of how TF Source's wares would look to Hasbro), then that's poor planning on his part, (no offense intended, boss.) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:02, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::Weird, it's gone for me, now. Where it was I have a Project Wonderful ad displaying Akemi's Anime World. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:11, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::Still there for me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:36, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::Just tried it on another browser that I never use (in case there's some cache thing on the main browser - no change, I don't see the TF Source banner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::Project Wonderful ads are localized, guys. TFSource probably just shelled out the dough for their ad in the States only. I've never seen it up, myself. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:34, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::I'm in ''Poland'', Detour. That's on an entirely different ''continent'' than the US. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:37, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::I'm in Canada, and I have seen it. I just don't see it anymore. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:44, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::Wait, you're Polish? I had no idea. You talk gooder English than me. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:39, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::: The advert's currently only displaying in Europe. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:26, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::::: No wonder, all I see are just two Project Wonderful random ads. And I'm in Taiwan. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 05:52, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TFsource said they were willing to give us a banner that has no third-party stuff on it! Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yeh, that sounds nice to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:09, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::And it should be noted that during the time we were displaying the "offending" ad, we had not yet agreed to have an adspace bought out by TFSource. They'd just bought the ad the normal way, and as they'd been a prior bidder, they were pre-approved.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:13, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Excellent - my apologies, Walky. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:00, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
That sidebar ad with the knock-off Swindle, Springer, and HoS Optimus has started showing up for me again, in Canada if that's relevant. It had stopped showing up less than a day after I first saw it, but now it's there again. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:46, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

:Another Canadian here. Same situation as Cattleprod. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:58, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

::Me too, same ad as before, knockoffs and all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:12, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yep, knock-off ad here too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:44, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

::::On the Project Wonderful site, both the Canadian and EU traffic are seeing the version of the banner with the Munitioner upgrade sets, Knight Morpher Commander and Warbot Defender. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:24, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Now I see THE ad, too. (Taiwan, Asia) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

Welp, Californian and now I'm seeing the Munitioner set, alongside Knight Morpher and Warbot Defender with MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm in Ohio and getting Naruto vol. 48 as the ad. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 02:45, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

::TFSource's knockoffs ad is back for Canadian and European visitors. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:59, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Seeing all sorts of KOs advertised now. Can we void their contract and keep their money as a fine for breaking their agreement with us? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:02, 15 July 2010 (EDT)PS- since when is NC in Europe/Canada?

:::Welp, [http://img535.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead01.jpg/ this] [http://img693.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead02.jpg/ I certainly] [http://img14.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead03.jpg/ agree]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:05, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Same here, and I'm American. I'm only sort of mentioning this because they let someone steal my credit card. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 22:50, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::As mentioned, we haven't actually committed to any deal yet with them, and any ads you see are them going through the standard Project Wonderful process. They've bought ads with us before, and thus as long as they have the high bid, they're pre-approved. They're going to have the proposed first-party-products-only ad to submit to Walky sometime next week.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:11, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

====Guys====
There is no "contract" to "void." Their permanent ad buy hasn't STARTED. They've been advertising with those particular ads for months. You've just finally noticed them because I brought them up. We haven't even discussed what the ad space will cost them since I've been busy and they said they won't have a new ad for us for about a week anyway. So, like, chill out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:31, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:For months? Huh... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:21, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

====And it's done====
TFsource owns our skyscraper until whenever they don't want to anymore. It's all official stuff, so everyone happy? (Yay!) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:Can we please somehow code it to say "This ad comes with a 100% chance of not causing us headaches" beneath the ad? (Nah, not really.)
:Also, I'm happy. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

:Looks awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:That looks great! Nice and slick-looking. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:55, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Simon Furman's IDW pitch ==

So here's a thing. The following text is Simon Furman's original pitch for Transformers comics when IDW took up the license, printed in the back of the "Best of Simon Furman" hardback collection. I skimmed this a few years back when the book was released and it passed under my nose at work, but since then, we've never had any of the info on the wiki, and I've never seen any discussion of it on any forums - presumably because none of us actually BOUGHT the dang thing, since we own all these stories in multiple formats already. I borrowed the book and transcribed the pitch so that anyone interested can read it, and we can maybe actually do something with the info. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:01, 8 July 2010 (EDT)
:Hmm. I've never seen this before. It's pretty interesting that Furman was itching to do Cybertron , which is weird, because by the time IDW was announced as the new comic licensee, Cybertron had started. Would take awhile to get a Cybertron comic up and running, I would think. By the time it came out, it might be already too late. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:58, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::It wouldn't surprise me if that's why it was modified so much. But, um, should we be duplicating this sort of material here? I mean, sure, The Best of Simon Furman wasn't the most popular book, but isn't this just copyright infringement? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 03:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, that was on my mind as I was transcribing it. I don't really intend to permanently house this anywhere - I just wanted to get it up so people could get a look, take in the info, maybe do something wiki-related with it, then I'd scrub it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TRANSFORMERS… A NEW DIRECTION

A Proposal For IDW

--Simon Furman--

In the (Armada/Energon) Cybertron timeline…

…UNICRON IS DESTROYED, utterly wiped out of existence by a seismic shock warhead detonated deep within its superstructure (events which would be visited retroactively in any subsequent ‘Energon’ conclusion issues).

But as one threat to Cybertron ends, another has only just begun. A rift in time and space – a massive ‘chronal’ black hole formed by the annihilation of Unicron – is threatening to suck Cybertron in, tear it apart in an internal maelstrom of deconstructed space and time. Only by anchoring the planet, via a spacebridge, to Earth’s energon core can Cybertron maintain its tenuous position, but it’s at best a quick fix. To seal the rift, they need the power of PRIMUS, the progenitor of the entire TRANSFORMERS race. But while a fragment of the dormant Primus lifeforce exists within Cybertron, the rest is lost, scattered throughout the universe, buried deep within strange, alien worlds.

Roused (from eons of chronal stasis in a dimension outside of normal space and time) by the impending cataclysm, the immortal sentinel known as Vector Prime spearheads the search for the Primus lifeforce, guiding Optimus Prime and his Autobots on a quest that will take them to aliens worlds in the farthest corners of the galaxy and beyond. But where Prime and the Autobots go… Megatron and the Decepticons are never far behind.

Clad in the armor of Unicron, fuelled by a fragment of his Spark, Megatron has become a true agent of chaos. He’s prepared to sacrifice Cybertron, Earth and any other world in order to contain and absorb the lifeforce of Primus himself, his ultimate aim to transform himself… into a living god!

And the ‘Cybertron’ timeline is not the only one to feel the effects of the destruction of Unicron. In fact… it’s one of the lucky ones.

<<In all the disparate timelines, all the myriad dimensions, there is but one Unicron. Though physical presence is limited to a single reality at any given time, it exists simultaneously in countless dimensions, shadows of its vast, ancient consciousness inextricably interwoven into the complex geometry of time and space. Its destruction in the Cybertron timeline creates ripples, which become shockwaves, which gather force, become a tidal wave of destruction. In some realities, the effect of the ‘chaos wave’ is total, instantaneous, entire timelines… wiped out. In others, the initial effect is less pronounced, a dramatic event heralding a slow descent into space/time anarchy.>>

In the G1 timeline…

…CYBERTRON IS DESTROYED! The resident Autobots and Decepticons barely have time to evacuate the planet, to eject the core of the planet and it’s precious Vector Sigma cargo (an eventuality made feasible way back when [in The War Within v3]) before the planet is torn apart, smashed into component molecules by the roiling chaos wave. Many Cybertronians don’t make it at all, and are simply wiped out. In a shockingly short time, Cybertron is gone. Forever.

Shocked, stunned, bereft of their homeworld, the remaining populous finds itself spread far and wide throughout the galaxy, seeking (in the Autobots’ case) safe harbor or (in the Decepticons’ case) new worlds to conquer… and colonise. Megatron’s Decepticons have perfecting ‘mechaforming’ technology, invasive, self-replicating machinery designed to restructure the entire geological substructure of a planet, in effect turn it into a new Cybertron. And since the Decepticons are indifferent to the presence or fate of any indigenous civilizations on the planet(s) of choice, it’s down to the Autobots to stop them… at any cost.

Earth, always a pivotal world in the G1 timeline, becomes even more of a focal battleground. Its natural resources are a potent brew that – with the right exploitation and manipulation – can be turned into energon, the lifeblood of the Transformer race. In Decepticon hands the whole world would be turned into a vast refinery, bled dry to fuel the creation of the ‘new’ Cybertron.

And Optimus Prime has an even more pressing concern. Contacted by Vector Prime (who can move within all remaining TF timelines), he is warned that the omniversal geometry is critically out of alignment. The removal of – for want of a better word – ‘evil’ has disturbed an age-old natural balance. Though it goes against every Autobot credo, they must somehow resurrect the dark force known, among other things, as Unicron! The key is the so-called ‘Decepticon Matrix’, a quasi-mythical power source spread throughout the galaxy. Said to be fragments of Unicron itself, released in some apocalyptic confrontation with Primus before the dawn of time, its retrieval and coalescence could restore the balance and dissipate the chaos wave.

Reluctantly, with grave reservations (and considerable dissent in the Autobot ranks) Prime forges an uneasy alliance with two of Unicron’s heralds, Cylonus and Scourge, both of whom are dedicated to the rebirth of their master (for different reasons). But, unknown to Prime, they have a secondary agenda, a plan to use a fragment of the Decepticon Matrix to destroy Megatron… and recreate him as the unstoppable force known as Galvatron!

<<And so, in one timeline, the Autobots seek to make Primus whole once more, while in another, they seek to resurrect the spirit of Unicron, leading ultimately to the new, universe-shaking confrontation between the two ancient forces… one that will (briefly) unite all remaining TRANSFORMERS timelines and continuities in an epic battle for survival.>>

CYBERTRON #0 (AND ONGOING)/G1 #0 (AND ONGOING)

Amidst the larger framework of the ‘chaos wave’ saga, the ongoing thrust of Cybertron is a focused series of one or two-part (largely self-contained, featuring different character assortments) adventures set on Cybertron, Earth and the key planets (Speed, Beast and Giant) that support its core quest… the search for the lifeforce of Primus. At every turn, the Autobots are confounded and frustrated by the Decepticons, but in the process forge new alliances and friendships, both on Earth and beyond. It’s a race against time… with the fate of Cybertron (and more) hanging in the balance.

The G1 title expands the scope and reach of the line, exploring wider character/conflict story arcs (while pulling in much more fan-friendly past and future continuity) and dramatically shaking the whole TRANSFORMERS mythos to its core, streamlining and redefining the sometimes confusing mass of ‘alternate’ timelines. But as with Cybertron, the focus will shift to different groups of Autobots/Decepticons on different worlds, faced with differing agendas and challenges.

The issue #0s will be mirror-images of each other, both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an omniverse in chaos, threatened on all fronts. His narrative will serve to encapsulate what has gone before while his actions introduce the primary cast and lay the groundwork for what is to come.

===Noticed something===

{{quote|both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an '''omniverse''' in chaos}}

Some use of the word [[omniverse]]. Wow. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:16, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

===Added it in somewheres===
I've added references to that thing at [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] and [[Cybertron (franchise)]]. Did I do it right? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:21, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

== Usernames ==

Our latest user [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] has what I consider to be a somewhat inflammatory username considering the how many arguments ensue regarding the live-action movies. It's probable that you would have difficulty registering on a forum with such a username. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:I was thinking the same thing. We blocked some guy from registering such a name referencing Detour, why should we allow such statements against Bay? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:09, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, I also thought his name was inappropriate. I don't think personal threats would be acceptable here, particularly about such a controversial figure in Transformers fandom. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::On Wookieepedia we routinely block people for having inappropriate names. I see no reason why we shouldn't have a similar policy here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:19, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::How he creates a new account and the old one is blocked? Some of his edits aren't too bad; I don't see why he shouldn't get a second chance. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:21, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Block the old account, post a nice note explaining that we want him to stay and continue working but that he cannot use a name that is attacking/insulting any person. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:32, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::I am in support of this, but he should be informed via his talkpage for one full day prior to the block, for the sake of not being too harsh. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:04, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I fully agree with Detour. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:18, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Now we just need to find an actual admin. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:12, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::And set the thing right. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:47, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::Well, he ignored Abates. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:52, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::I was [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] but then I kinda stop using it because some mind find it offensive. So I am sorry for my inflammatory username. --[[User:HeyTFWiki|HeyTFWiki]] 05:17, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Official sources policy ==

Recently, some of us have been explaining to a user why video from a cellphone camera of the movie set cannot be taken as official sources. I was going to link to the official sources page when I realized that I do not know what it's called and cannot find it. Which brings me to this point: we actually took the time to write out and codify our what we consider to be official sources, right? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:It's at [[Help:Official info]]. And next time, somebody should probably just place the <nowiki>{{scoop bastard}}</nowiki> template. (I was going to but couldn't find a good chance.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

== Disgusting ad ==
Sorry if I'm posting this at the wrong place, but is there anywhere we can complain about the ads on the wiki? Not to overstep my (very modest) bounds here or anything, but that ad with the GIANT PIMPLE on the back of the guy's neck is really off-putting... You've probably all seen it by now right? I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks this... Call me squeamish if you will, but it's really bothering me... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm with this 100%. I'm so glad I haven't eaten a thing all day, because I'd have lost my breakfast and my lunch by now. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:49, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't mind so much if it would only pop up occassionally (then again, my gross tolerance is relatively high). But to be confronted with the world's largest zit every page I go on this wiki... Rather not. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:55, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I checked the PW sites - must have been outbid so I missed it. What the heck was it for? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:37, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::::It was for a website ''about the world's largest pimple!'' It was [http://www.worldslargestzit.net this] I believe. SO not missing that ad. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:19, 16 July 2010 (EDT)

==Disamb template on calendar pages?==
So while fiddling around with the latest additions to our "day in history" pages, I got to thinking. Separating bullets with a blank line adds to our pages' sizes because that adds a "list start/stop" in the coding, yes? 
Well... does the <nowiki>{{disamb}}</nowiki> Template do that when we split that up with a blank line between them? The only real difference we ''see'' on the page is a "—" instead of a ":" after the bolded year. I fiddled with it a bit (without saving) and it looks good to me; I'll probably do up a Sandbox. If using this template doesn't add to the page size in the back-end that we don't see in the normal edit window... it sure would make it easier to read in said edit window, plus give the lists that litlte extra space between lines for readability on the normal pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:45, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yes, putting spaces between {{tl|disamb}} also causes the problem whereby each item is in its own list. We can space out the more compact lists on the normal pages using css, but I don't think there's any way to space them out on the edit window due to the way MediaWiki parses stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:43, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well, that's goddamn irksome. It's too easy to get lost in a mass of unbroken text in the edit window. but if we can add jsut a little space between items in the final result, I'll be happy. Though this does beg the question of whether we should move over to using the disamb template anyway for calendars. Probably ought to be going over our disambiguation pages and bringing them up to code anyway (well, where dates are applicable). At the very least, I'm liking the use of em-dashes instead of colons. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:23, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

==TF Wiki Firefox Search Engine Add-On==
I'm surprised that one wasn't created a long time ago. It would make things incredibly convenient, and it can't be that hard to make. Anyone else like the idea? Anyone here have experience?
--[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:27, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Please elaborate. What function exactly would such an add-on serve? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:32, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::None. You can add the wiki to the search engines list without messing with addons. Just go to a page on the wiki, and click on the down arrow in Firefox's search box. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:38, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Wow, I must be blind. Thanks guys. There should be something on the home page encouraging visitors to do just that. Might help with traffic. --[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:50, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

== In regards to expo 86. ==

Hey, Editor from Seibertron.com here. The front page list a request about "Information on the Transformers presentation at Vancouver's Expo '86".

I was about 11 then but I spent a lot of time at Expo during that summer. I don't remember any presentations per say, but I do remember that Hasbro (or at least Hasbro Canada) did have a presence. Namely they had 3-4 outdoor kiosks located around the fair, these were freestanding units with each one branded with one of four Hasbro properties, I clearly remember one being for Transformers and another for My Little Pony, the other(s) escape me at the moment but I am fairly certain that GIJoe wasn't there, and one could have been a generic Hasbro one. Additionally, one proper store was set up more for kids goods in the Red Zone near the Land Plaza and UFOH2O, that stocked the same items.

Due to the size of the units a good amount of available items were blister packs mainly Scamble City units. Boxed TF's were available but in smaller amounts (For some reason I want to say a good number of Wreck-gars and Gnaws were there) Sadly due to the location everything was more expensive than they could be found for at local stores. What was cool is that each of the kiosks regardless of how they were branded had a bit of everything, and they occasionally had loose pieces on hand. (I do remember playing with a Swindle at the actual TF Kiosk.

Don't know if that really helps but hopefully it did. Feel free to contact me thru Seibs if you have any questions.

:Hmm, that's interesting, though, it being your memories from about 24 years ago, I'm not sure how "article information"-worthy it is. Would you happen to have any photos taken of the event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:25, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

::Not in my personal collection, but since writing the above I have been looking thru some online records of the fair to see if I can spot those kiosks. If I remember correctly where a couple were I might be able locate some. If I can find them I'll post here.

:::In our anon's defense, I offer the following taken from a story titled "Expo '86 a hit at luring firms through turnstiles" written by Jennifer Hunter, and published in the May 1st, 1986 edition of ''The Globe and Post'':
::::Expo is offering corporate exclusivity; there was already a soft-drink manufacturer, a car maker and a bank, but no toy company. Hasbro - with 1985 sales of $1.2-billion (U.S.) and profit of $99-million - is one of the largest toy manufacturers in North America and seemed a likely candidate to fork over dollars for a world's fair.

::::Mr. Hassenfeld and his brother Stephan could not resist the Expo slogan - Invite the World. A global showcase for Hasbro toys was too good an offer to turn down. So the Hassenfeld brothers delivered a cheque for $2-million (Canadian) to sponsor the Expo Centre geodesic dome. In return, Hasbro toys will be sold on the fair site.

::::"Bringing the name Hasbro before the public is the major reason we are participating," Mr. Hassenfeld said.

:::So it looks like his memories are probably accurate. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:22, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Hopefully '''''whomever asked for this information in the first place''''' will pop in and comment. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:53, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Titan Magazines ==

Is there a reason why none of the Titan Movie comics pages have Featured Character boxes? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:It is highly possible that the pages (or at least the sections) are still under working. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:52, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

::They seem pretty complete other than the featured character lists. Not sure what's up with that! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:26, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:::*makes note to add Featured Character boxes to as many Titan Movie comics pages as possible sometime in the near future* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:53, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== No Hasbro Q and A? ==

Just wondering: Are we not participating in the Hasbro QandA's any more? We apparently didn't submit anything to the last one (along with a lot of other places weirdly, did Hasbro trim the list of who could ask or something?). Anyway, according to the Allspark the next set of questions are due Aug 9th, just wanted to see if anyone knew what was up? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:30, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
: We didn't send in questions because they were due during BotCon and we messed up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well it's kinda understandable. We were hardly the only ones to miss it, given the slim list of sites with questions for July. Anyway, we'll have question solicitation for August open soon then? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:45, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== An article on racing ==

Not sure if this is exactly the right place to ask this, but...

Would an article on [[racing]] be appropriate for the wiki? Races do seem to crop up a lot in TF fiction. Off the top of my head, I can think of the [[Trans-Europe Express]] (G1), the race series where [[Road King]] was found (Masterforce), the nutty race where everyone tried to lure out [[Skid-Z (RID)|Skid-Z]] (RID), the one the Autobots had after Inferno died (Energon), [[Velocitron]]'s entire culture (Cybertron), and [[Street Demon]] (Animated).

Aye or nay? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 13:23, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
: If there's enough races, perhaps a category would suffice? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::Might I suggest [[Cybertronian_sport#Races|here]] as a starting point.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:37, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Didn't know about that page. Yeah, that's more appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:52, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Fan translated manga images. ==

I noticed quite a few images of manga that have fan translations in the word bubbles. It the wiki cool with that? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:55, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Well, I for one don't mind, because it lets me understand what's going on... it's official media, just translated by fans. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:58, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::If the person uploading it can vouch for the accuracy of the translation, then I have no problem with it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:04, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Movie 1 characters vs drones ==

Am I alone in thinking maybe we should split up pages like [[Longarm (Movie)]] and [[Swindle (Movie)]] into pages that cover the individual characters and the drones in their likeness separately? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:56, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:I'd agree with that. I thought we had already done that for some of them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:36, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree with the splitting if possible. Since individual characters are much different from drones. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:20, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Split 'em. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:33, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Reissues and rereleases ==

Which reissues deserve to be listed separately from their original release? For some reason, reissues of G1 toys have been listed separately on some pages but not on others. I think [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s toy page mentions aimsing to list all reissues separately. The 2010 [[Piranacon]] reissue is listed separately, but not the 2010 [[Predaking]]. Also, the toys rereleased in [[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] are listed separately on the character pages even though they're ''completely'' unchanged, unlike some reissues of G1 figures. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:35, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:I think part of that is simply older pages not having been updated since the decision was made to separate reissues (At least I'm pretty sure we are aiming to keep them separate). Newer reissues, like the Predaking, have probably been handled in the way the poster in question had seen such things done on other pages, leading to continuing inconsistency. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:58, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
::So, the current standard is to list releases separately? Is that on any help or policy page? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:12, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Wikia ==

Thank god we jumped ship when we did, because Wikia is planning on switching to a new skin.

[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia Preview]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:43, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

:They must have switched already? Because every single Wikia site is completely effed up in IE7 now. --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 18:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::No, they haven't. They're having technical problems with the server they use for css and images. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:12, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

== Explicitly Saying Characters Are Similar To Earlier Characters Of Same Name ==

On the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] talk page, [[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] is saying that characters that are homages to earlier characters of the same name need to have this pointed out, in something like the form "Blackarachnia (Animated) is based on the original Blackarachnia (BW), who first appeared in the Beast Wars franchise."
* Is this a good idea, as it will help people who are new to Transformers learn about the history of the brand?
* Is it unnecessary to point out that characters are similar to earlier characters of the same name, since it's very common, and would involve altering lots of pages?
* Other?
[[User:JW|JW]] 19:18, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:Blackarachnia (Animated) has a lot of similarities and also a lot of differences with Blackarachnia (BW). I don't think I'd go so far as to say she was "based on" Blackarachnia (BW). Swindle (Animated), on the other hand, is a direct transplant of Swindle (G1). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:47, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

::It may seem like a total DUH kind of thing to all the long-time TF fans who inhabit this place, but for our readers, such information seems totally relevant and useful. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:05, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::There's a friggin' disambig right up top in a separated box for... all the charcaters who have the same name! Wow! And we're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of pages where we'd have to do this. It's not quite "This is a picture of Megatron" level DUH, but it's in the ballpark. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:53, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I honestly don't understand what the disambigs have to do with this. The only information they are there to convey is "there are other characters with this name, go to this separate page for a list." They don't in any way tell you "this character who's article you're reading now was based on this other one." Especially since many characters who share the name don't actually have any other relationship to each other. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:15, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Characters with the same name as each other within the same brand are expected to be similar (if not identical) to each other, with older ones serving as inspiration for later ones. If characters of the same name are not similar would seem to be more notable than if they are similar. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:09, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::The Prowls, Scavengers, Razorclaws, and Bonecrushers tend to have very little to do with one another. Note that the main page for the Animated franchise points out that so many of the characters are clear homages to their earlier-series namesakes too. Since it has been over 10 years since the first Blackarachnia did anything, I don't see the harm in putting a one-liner at the top of BA-Animated's "Notes" section saying she's totally based on the first one. Kil is right--it wouldn't be "just so obvious" to a 14-year-old who was brought in by the movies and Animated. To a newcomer, why would it be especially obvious that Animated Ironhide and Blitzwing are based on namesakes from Cold War-era cartoons they never saw? Where's the harm in just one line? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:29, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I have to agree that it's not going to be obvious to someone coming in from the Movie or Animated, or even the Unicron Trilogy that many of the homages are homages. Especially Ratchet, given the drastically different color scheme Movie Ratchet (Rescue Ratchet toys notwithstanding) has compared to the others. I admit, it might seem a litte weird to make what seems to us to be such an obvious note on so many pages but if our goal is to make this Wiki accessible and informative to fans of all levels then I think it's necessary to do so.
::::::And for BA's case, I think it additionally warrants mentioning Binaltech Blackwidow as a direct inspiration. Because even though most of the design cues come originally from her first and TM2 incarnations, I don't think you get to Animated BA with the combination of attributes (and the black gloves) without going through the Binaltech version first. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:06, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I feel it's necessary to point out that a newcomer is probably not going to get to the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] page without passing through [[Blackarachnia (disambiguation)]] first. So, they're gonna be made aware of the Beast Wars character. (Sure, they might get there through other means, but it's not the most likely route.)
::::::However, if the consensus is leaning toward allowing notes of the form "Foo is based on Foo of same name," how do we decide which characters need it? Just from Animated, here's all the characters who visually homage previous characters of the same name: Arcee, Big Bang Prime, Blackarachnia, Blackout, Blitzwing, Blurr, Botanica, Brawn, Bumblebee, Bumper, Cliffjumper, Cosmos, Cyclonus, Dai Atlas, Devcon, Flip Sides, Grimlock, Highbrow, Hot Shot, Hot Spot Major, Impactor Major, Ironhide, Jazz, Laserbeak, Longrack Major, Mainframe, Mixmaster, Octus, Omega Supreme, Omega SPREEM, Optimus Prime, Perceptor, Powerglide, Primal Major, Railspike Major, Ratbat, Ratchet, Reflector, Rodimus Prime, Rosanna, Seaspray, Silverbolt Major, Sky-Byte, Soundwave, Spittor, Springer, Starscream (Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ramjet, Dirge, Thrust, Sunstorm), Steeljaw, Straxus, Strika, Swindle, Swoop, Tracks, Warpath, Wheeljack, Zaur. (I left out the Witwickys and some of the Bumblebee-clones.) Do we add that note to ''all'' of them? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:49, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
In the absence of any strong support either way on this issue, I'm going to assume our current implicit policy holds: When a new character is based on an old character of the same name, explictly pointing it out is neither required nor prohibited. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:14, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity note ==

Which articles don't need one. [[Vector Prime]] doesn't but [[Nexus Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion (Prime)]] ''do''. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:42, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:...what? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:32, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::He means as multiversal singularities the One, Primus, Unicron, Prima, Fallen and Vector don't have continuity notes at the top indicating which franchise they're from. Nexus is just an interesting case, and frankly all the Alpha Trions should be merged. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:43, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: So, any of 'em need removing? (Also, when did I ever admitmy gender either way?) [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:11, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::How about we wait until we have more information before dealing with any of this? I swear. We know so very little about how this new continuity family works with (or doesn't) what's come before, and sweeping changes like merging Alpha Trions may end up being messily reverted. How about we hold the hell off until we learn more. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:21, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::What about [[Nexus Prime]]'s article? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:31, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::What's '''wrong''' with it? Seriously? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:I'm asking about the need for a continuity identifier,which, as pointed out above is absent in some [[multiversal singularity|similar]] articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:18, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:: Those guys aren't made out of other guys. I am wondering very hard why this is an issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: I just want to know how things are supposed to be done so I could do said things properly. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:46, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

== Malware warning ==

I just got a malware warning when I tried to load the page, seemingly resulting from the css file included from [[User:Derik|Derik]]'s site emopanda. I'm taking the call to that script out of common.css until we can get it sorted. Most of the css is also in a local file that's already being included anyway, so hopefully nothing should break. The malware warning refers me to [http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://emopanda.com/&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US this page]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:15, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some Wikipedia user ==

From [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NotARealWord&oldid=381724818 my Wikipedia talk page]
{{note|Yes, I have different usernames on different wikis.}}

{{quote|I take it you don't know the TFWiki very well. It's server is run by [[David Willis|a guy]] who blocked Wikipedia Transformers editors from it He has publically stated that he started that server to have a place away from Wikipedia to make his articles. Anyone who edits in a proper Wikipedia style with limiting things to notable topics with reliable sources (which is me, by his standards) gets reverted and blocked|
User:Mathewignash|
}}

Okay, User:Mathewignash seems to be responsible for a lot of the TF fancruft on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Transformers Wikipedia]. Also has been trying to "save" articles nominated for deletion due to lack of notability. Makes me wonder:
* Is this person somebody the admins here are familiar with?
* How do I respond to that statement against TFWiki? Considering I was pretty welcomed here when I started. Should I point out the users who regularly use ''both'' sites?
* Is there some small corner of the [[fandom]] that likes buttloads of fancruft-y TF articles, but have something against using TFWiki?
* Is this person anything to do with the people asking TFWiki to be more like [[Wikipedia]], despite how its rules are '''very''' unsuitable for a TF-specific wiki? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:[[User:Primal Rage]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:53, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yes, the community here is very familiar with Mr. Ignash. He and Walky have a long history of feuding. Walky has stated that he came here to escape Ignash in particular, not wikipedia editors in general. In the few times I've run across Ignash he seems rather jerky, virtually everyone here seems welcoming to me. Don't know about point three. Not sure if Ignash has connections to any of the various people who don't like the wiki's tone, but your point about wikipedia being a bad model for a TF specific site is a good one. While we do strive for proper citations here, "notability" is not a valid criterion for this site. Few TF characters/concepts are truly notable in a real world sense. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:56, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::Thank you, I try to treat wikis differently since they have different purposes. What about the questions in bullet-point number two? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:01, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Your suggestion of mentioning people on both sites is a good idea, I edit on wikipedia under the same alias but much less frequently and even less substantially. Don't know about anyone else. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:07, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::I do. Rarely and with a different name, but I do. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:13, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Ignash is not worth responding to. Let him play in his turd-filled sandbox. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:21, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Correction. Nobody who thinks that Wikipedia is better than TFWiki is worth responding to. I have learned this the hard way. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:31, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::What about that bit about a small corner of the fandom? User:Dream Focus seems to also fit that description. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:43, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::Yes, there is a small corner of the fandom that likes the Wikipedia-style TF articles. However, I would like to know is where the hell you are getting this stuff about Dream Focus fitting that description. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::::To Item42, read the archives on Matthewignash's user talk page at wikipedia. The man can't even follow the rules that he exhorts as superior to ours. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:49, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Please, do point the above out to him. I'd do it myself but they blocked my IP because I decided that Wikipedia was a piece of crap and went on a massive, 40-account vandalism rampage. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:04, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::From what I can tell, Dream Focus is just against deletion of Wikipedia articles under non-notability, and may not be active in Transformers fandom. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:20, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:The issue, simply, is not with "other Wikipedia users" - it is with Ignash himself. There is a ''reason'' the Transformers articles on Wikipedia are such a jumbled mess of copy-pasted partially-overly-detailed summaries, gross generalizations and list after list of Optimus Prime's appearances in ''Family Guy'' and ''Robot Chicken'' that lack any kind of consistency between each other and he is mainly it. Nearly everyone who ever tried to edit constructively there came here because he never compromises on his stupid, stupid way of organizing an article, and we neither want nor require his presence here. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::It reminds me that I moved to Wikia (long before the Exodus) as soon as I found the TFwiki, and soon after that, I left Wikipedia(TF-related) as soon as I found TFwiki has more strict rules than Wikipedia does in some way (for example, we won't see any leak or unofficial information in TFwiki). (And yes, I can't stand some users on Wikipedia.) Plus, I feel Wikipedia is more harsh on fictional-related articles sometimes. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:41, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Once again, correction. It doesn't really matter what the subject is, it just matters if someone has an axe to grind and if there's an admin who is willing to completely ignore common sense so that the people holding the axes can come out on top. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:19, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Well, now it looks like Ignash can't always [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Transformers/Proposed_centralized_transformers_discussion come out on top]. Seems mostly him and Dream Focus trying to stop the article deletions. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:15, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

I think most of us at some point or other already came to the conclusion that Wikipedia was never going to have in-depth Transformers coverage. I'm pretty at-peace with that, because it was never realistic to think that they'd ever do it in the granularity that a dedicated wiki like this place can afford to do. Ignash came over here at one point, and I more or less went to bat for him, which I realize in retrospect was a mistake. The guy's very set in his ways, and he's poison to collaborative projects.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:37, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

:A general purpose encyclopedia (Wikipedia) cannot and should not have the same depth of coverage as dedicated references (tfwiki). Just as you wouldn't expect articles on every minor Shakespearean character on Wikipedia, you shouldn't expect every minor TF to have an article there. As far as going to bat for Ignash, I actually agreed with you standing up for him. Everyone deserves a chance to contribute. The problem was that he didn't want to contribute and collaborate and work within the guidelines here, because of that he is banned. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

::[[Wikipedia]] has just '''way''' too much TF fancruft. The big-time deletion "campaign" going on right now should be able to fix ''some'' of that. Hopefully. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:12, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

:::Dream Focus [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dream_Focus is on Wikia]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:19, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

===Wikipedia's TF Project===
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers|Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers]] 666 articles. Heh [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:26, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

== Dimension-hopping ==

Should that get an article? The "Fiction" sections on [[continuity]] and [[multiverse]] seem mainly about that. Comparing those sections, it seems they're somewhat... redundant. Maybe a separate article about dimension-hopping would be better. Maybe the article should also cover characters moving within the same [[continuity family]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:34, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:The "multiverse" really only appears in fiction when dimension-hopping is involved, so that's why the fiction section is all about dimension hopping. "Continuity" probably doesn't need a fiction section since it is pretty much a wiki thing explaining how the wiki is organized. You are right that we should talk about dimension-hopping in the same continuity. There is a mini-multiverse in the G1 cartoon episode [[Madman's Paradise]] that should be commented on. How does [[Menonia]] relate to the [[multiverse]]? That's a good question. I think that can be explored on the "multiverse" page though. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:53, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Would it be okay if I (or anybody else) removes the "fiction" section of "[[continuity]]" and puts up that information in "[[multiverse]]"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== User admonition templates ==

Is there a list of the various templates that can be placed on a user page to give them advice (editing tips, spelling, no scoops, no fanon, etc)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:27, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[:Category:User notice templates]]. There are some in there that rarely get used! --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:32, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks, NCZ. I could not remember the "correct english" one and couldn't find a page that had one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:58, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Can anyone explain to me why categories that apply to specific toys are put on the general article for the character that toy represents and not on the image of the particular toy? Why not put the category tags on the picture's own page? For example, [[Starscream (Movie)]] is not actually a Kmart exclusive, the Nebular Starscream toy is. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:33, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== Links that overexplain jokes ==

I got reverted on [[Soundwave (ROTF)]] because apparently, adding links to explain captions ruins them. (I didn't remove or change the joke, just added the links. )Should that be on the official caption policy? . Although, I'm rather concerned that more casual readers might not understand references (like "[[JaAm|hump that tank]]" for example), and I don't intend to confuse people. So really, is it so bad to explain jokes (through wikilinks) for the sake of people with little TF knowledge? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:08, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:Well, y'know what they say - "If you have to ''explain'' a joke, there ''is'' no joke." Personally, I've always loathed joke-explaining word-linking, especially when it's to something off-site. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:30, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::Personally, I think that adding those links introduce casual wiki-readers to more TF stuff, and that content should be written with more clueless readers in mind. Although, if it's just ''that bad'', maybe it should be mentioned on the policy page. It's easier to avoid doing things when you know you should. Also, what about on-site linking, like potholing "hump that tank" to [[jaAm]]? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:50, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
Anyway, can I (or anyone else) do at least a ''little bit'' of on-site caption linking?[[User:Item42|Item42]] 18:19, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:43, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Then can someone please put that up on [[Transformers Wiki:Caption]] so that people can be sure that's what the community as a whole wants, and not just the two people who responded here? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:55, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

== Next Hasbro Q&A Questions due Mon! ==

According to the Allspark the next round of Hasbro Q&A questions are due 1 week from today (Sept 13). I know we havn't even recieved the last set of answers back yet. But shouldn't we set up a page to take question submissions for next Mon. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:33, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

:Hey, how come we haven't gotten answers from the [[Hasbro Q&A/August 2010: Question submission|most recent one]] yet? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 17:20, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

::Because Hasbro's a busy place and they haven't had a chance to get them back to us yet. They're usually a week or two behind their estimated return date, nothing new there. This IS the first time I can recall where the next questions might be due before the last set of answers appears though. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== RFC Wiki Spotlight ==

What-ho. If any wiki contributors happen to be listeners of [http://www.tfradio.net Radio Free Cybertron], you may have noticed that I've started doing a small spot on the show called the "Wiki Spotlight", highlighting an interesting article each week and drawing attention to it. Thus far I've just done our featured articles of the last two months, but I figured I'd open up the floor to any and all random suggestions as to what articles - big or small, well-known or obscure - deserve a mention. Speak up! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:07, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[Angry Archer]] and [[Thor]]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:48, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::[[Sky-Byte (RID)]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:::[[Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III]]! -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:56, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::::[[Shockwave (G1)]] looks pretty good to me. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:38, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::[[Wheelie (G1)]], [[Scale]] and [[B.O.T. (episode)]] might be fun to feature. Can I also suggest that a link to the article mentioned be placed on the tfradio.net post accompanying the podcast, because it'll be easier for the listeners. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:48, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

A while back I tried to edit the [[fandom]] page to mention the Podcasts around at the time (TFWIRE, WTF@TFW and the joke that was the Tformers podcast at that time. But TPTB wiped the whole lot! That was a pretty big "Screw you!" to the podcasts. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 15:21, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

== Toy patents ==

User: Sarujo at Wikipedia posted a list of TF related patents. I have put them in [[User: Khajidha/sandbox|my sandbox]]. I've found and corrected a few errors/misidentifications already. Is this material useful or was it all already known? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:30, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:Interesting stuff. Do you mind if I go through the unknowns and put names on the ones I can identify? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:35, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Feel free, that's why I posted the link. I won't have time today to give it the thorough going over it deserves. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:39, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Thanks. And that, as they say, is that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:22, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::They still need to be resorted. Warpath wasn't a Microman mold and it would probably be useful to have the Scramble City molds separated. Beyond that, I don't know. I don't want to get it so sorted that it becomes LESS useful. If nothing else, I figured the notes about inventors/designers might be data otherwise hard to come by. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:32, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Anyone willing to go trolling through patent listings? We seem to be missing those for several members of various combiner teams. Perhaps they can be found by cross referencing those we do have? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:54, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::The designer data ALONE makes these worthwhile. That's awesome information. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:28, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I've conveyed our thanks to Sarujo over at Wikipedia. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:18, 13 September 2010 (EDT)

== Photos of toys ==
I found [[Wikipedia:Template:Non-free 3D art|this]] bit about copyright law.
*Does that mean ''every'' photo of an official TF figure needs a note like "character and toy design under copyright by [[HasTak]]"?
*Should this site also make a template like that?
*Would this be a good reason/excuse to copy photos from other fansites since ''your own photos'' (and anyone else's) would still have to go under fair use?
-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:47, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
: I think that specifically applies to non-US countries, particularly IIRC Germany (Nevermore, confirm/deny?). As the Wiki is hosted in the US it isn't really relevant... yet? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, the Wikipedia template in that link says:
{{quote|This is a two-dimensional representation of a copyrighted sculpture, statue or any other three-dimensional work of art. As such it is a derivative work of art, and per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106 US Copyright Act of 1976, § 106(2)] whoever holds copyright of the original has the exclusive right to authorize derivative works. 

Per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 § 107] it is believed that reproduction for criticism, comment, teaching and scholarship constitutes fair use and does not infringe copyright.}}
So it ''is'' US-relevant. Although, looking at the [[Wikipedia:Template talk:Non-free 3D art#totallydisputed|talk page]], it seems that said law(s) might not be something to take seriously. So, no stealing toy photos? If not, can I try to get the clearly stolen ones (like one section of [[:Image:20thAnniversary OptimusPrimesm.jpg|this]]) replaced? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:44, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:IIRC the law in question came up during (of all things) Batman Forever, when a copyrighted piece of industrial statue donated to a city as used as a shooting location in the film, got integrated into the sets, showed up on t-shirts and promotional cups, etc... the studio ended up paying millions in damages.
:Generally when I (rarely) take toy photos, I note that the '''photo''' is released to the public domain but ''Character likeness is {{c}} Hasbro 20XX'', making it clear that the ''photo'' is free, but its subject may not be. (Making a sculpture based on the photo would, obviously, present copyright issues.) Character likeness, IMO, seems like a better phrase to use than design since with multiple toys over decades, that's really what's being protected here-- not the transformation schema of mold D-22B.
:Part of what it means is that virtually '''no''' images on the wiki are eligible for "Copyleft," the status of absolute-public-domain with no entailment or restrictions. (This is not unique. A photo of your own family with a Coke ad in the background isn't eligible for Copyleft either.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:04, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::Derik, how do you release something in public domain if you can't release it under copyleft? Also, does this mean that it's okay to steal toy photos? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:04, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

== Galvatron ==
So in [http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2010/09/14/hasbro-transformers-qa-august-2010-answers/ ASM's Q&A response], Hasbro pretty much officially says to consider Galvatron a separate character from Megatron for all practical purposes. How do we tackle this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:I interpret it as saying that in inducting Megatron, Galvatron is not being inducted by connection, since [[Megatron (Animated)|not all Megatrons have become Galvatrons]], and some interpretations of Galvatron (like IDW) are separate from Megatron. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:00, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I don't think this really changes anything about the way we've already got Galvy covered. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:14, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

== Excessive Trivia Sections ==

Ok, a few days ago I attempted to clean up some trivia sections. I realize in hindsight I was tired and being a wanker and was removing valuable information, and I apologize for that. However, I think some of our trivia could definitely stand to be integrated into the articles themselves, especially notes like "This character's Universe toy was..." or "in the Energon comic, so-and so was completely different". I would like to integrate these but I was hoping to get an opinion on this, since I went about it wrong once already. Thoughts? -- [[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 12:44, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
:Agreed. The Notes sections (shouldn't be Trivia anymore) are for information that doesn't fit elsewhere. If there is a logical place to put it, move the information there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:58, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Editing Drift's related materials ==
Actually, this would cover whatever anyone of us have a '''large''' dislike of, but yeah. This is a wiki, where we're supposed to be informative and be able to present the info in a fun way. I'm not entirely sure of how objective we can be (humor aside), but the whole kerfluffle on Drift's mini and cameos showing in his mini is making me worried on the attitudes of certain editors that could easily descend into a editing/name-calling/accusation war. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:39, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
:My position is the Wiki doesn't have to be ''objective'', so long as it isn't ''unreasonable''. There are plenty of flaws in Drift and Shane McCarthy's work to poke fun of -- there's no reason to create ones that aren't true.
:I was re-reading Drift #1 and happened to notice he DID suffer damage from those laser blasts while fleeing. I remembered that note on the Wiki joking that he was "laser-proof", so I removed it. I also posted on the Talk page explaining why. Detour restored the Note several times anyway, even though it was false as written. He eventually tried to re-write it, adding something about Deadlock surviving blasts that blew off Jetstorm's head earlier. Nowhere in the comic did Jetstorm's head get blown off. Drench's did, notCarnivac's did, but Jetstorm was fine. It just shows that Detour doesn't care about being accurate so long as he's not giving an inch on anything Anti-McCarthy on the Wiki.
:So really -- can't we be ''better'' than that? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 22:05, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but I really think Detour shouldn't be allowed to edit anything connected to McCarthy. And I'm pretty much branded an irrational anti-McCarthy troll on the IDW boards, so I think this is saying something. I'm first in line to complain when ''he deserves it'', this sort of stuff is just petty and weakens the valid criticism by association. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:25, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::So because I mixed up Drench and Jetstorm's name, I'm now "making stuff up"? Now who's being irrational? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:39, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Please try to be accurate when editing articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 02:57, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I don't think you really comprehend this discussion and the situation leading up to it, Item42. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:17, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Um, people generally hate [[Drift (G1)|Drift]], this wiki's editors want to have reliable articles, and Detour got stuff mixed up, which people blame on his anti-Drift-ism. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:53, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

== External Links ==

Similar to the whole business of changing all the "Trivia" sections into "Notes" sections, this is just a heads up for anyone who wants to chip in for a mundane task: if you ever see a link to TFU.info (or a similar toy site) in the External Links section of a character's page, relocating it to that character's Toys section would be super-awesome. (And if the External Links section subsequently becomes empty, get rid of it.) I wouldn't really describe this as a task with much urgency behind it, but it will make characters' pages look consistent, and consistency looks nice. It's really a minor edit that's easy and quick to do, and I'd appreciate some help in this fiasco. An example of how this is supposed to look like can be found at [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal's toy section]]. So keep an eye out while you're bored and clicking that "Random Page" button. :) --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 12:37, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
:I've been trying to do these whenever I come across one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
==Who hosts your wiki now==
Wikia is making more unpopular changes, [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia] with a new skin which is even more unpopulat.

In this angry discussion, your site was mentioned as one site which said "f--- you wikia" and left, which I respect so much, and would like to emulate.

I am wondering who is hosting your wikia, and how much does it cost per year? If you could do it again, how would you do it differently? Who could I maybe ask these questions too?

Thank you. [[User:Adamtheclown|Adamtheclown]] 17:12, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:We're hosted on [http://www.slicehost.com/ Slicehost]. What you go for hostingwise will really depend on how popular your site is though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:25, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

== McAfee SiteAdvisor review rating this site incorrectly ==

As a countermeasure to viruses on the net, I have a special version of McAfee that has this widget-type thing that gives me ratings on the security of certain websites. I have noticed that this website was recently given a big, fat red "X" rating, showing that this website contains malware and other things, all because of one single rating that the reviewer said he did not like this website. He did not say this was a malware site, but the system apparently decided to take ''one'' person's personal opinion and rate this site as a horrible website so every time I go in, I get this asininely huge message saying "MCAFEE HAS TESTED THIS SITE AND FOUND IT TO BE BLAH BLAH BLAH".

I don't think that just one siteadvisor reviewer (myself) can turn around that rating. Sure, a website can be full of people with questionable morals and values, but that has no reflection on the security of the website. Can I have a little help here?

Here is the page for this website: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/tfwiki.net?premium=false&client_uid=1093063016&client_ver=3.1.0.175&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0-884&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0&pip=true --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 08:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

:Questionable "morals and values"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:27, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I feel like I know that guy from somewhere. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Gotta be [[User: Primal Rage|mignash]]. Also, how could it be a bad shopping experience, we don't SELL anything. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::No, mignash doesn't spell that well. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:43, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::People usually say "bad shopping experience" in place of "bad experience" because there is a bulleted selector so you don't have a lot of choices. What I don't like is having this website have a false security rating, I don't really care about that negative reviewer with the social rating. It's a ''security'' database, not how good or bad something is socially. Maybe the person was [[User:Trolly McTrollerson|Trolly McTrollerson]] and since he was b& he just wanted to troll even more? --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:45, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Meh. Considering David Willis's reputation as a "fandom boogeyman", stunts like this hardly surprise me. There's a lot of petty fans who apparently categorically refuse to edit this wiki out of hatred for Willis (which apparently also stops them from editing at Wikia as well, go figure...) and who basically go "Yeah? I know Transformers! I'm going to make my own Transformers wiki! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the wiki!". So, yeah. Hardly surprising. I've dropped off a review myself, but it still doesn't appear to be enough to raise the rating... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:11, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::If Walky wants to dispute it, he can use support@siteadvisor.com to see if that'll fix the rating. Really, that negative "shopping experience review" is ridiculous. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:15, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Sorry I can't help much, all I can add to this discussion is that the negative review is likely from a British TF fan, due to his use of the word "cleverer" which I can count the number of times I've heard it from a non Brit on one hand. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:21, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::WAIT! I stand corrected. In one of his other reviews he uses Shaw Secure, and Shaw is a Canadian ISP. That's what I get for trying to analyze someone's vocabulary, I guess. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:23, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Hmm, the wording's very similar to the Google Sidewiki comment we got dated the same day as this. I suspect it's the same dude. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:39, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::I ****LOVE**** how Walky disputed this "The site is indeed full of assholes, but it's malware free." That's us all right! Apparently that was enough to tip us into a green/safe review. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:28, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Fan-configurations of toys ==

(From [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fan-mode|here]], I'm not sure who "User:Divebomb" is though)
Should we have an article on how people would have made-up modes of their toys just because the toys can be configured that way (such as that "combination" of Classics Jetfire and Optimus Prime)? Or maybe just mention that stuff in an article somewhere (like [[Toy]])?
{{note|I'm not suggesting we mention that on individual character ''pages'', cos that will just spiral out of control.}}

-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I find it odd that we don't have a fan-mode article here. It seems like it would be a valid topic, and a few famous/infamous examples should be mentioned on that page. I agree that we don't need to mention them on individual pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:37, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::FYI, User:Divebomb would happen to be me. (Don't tell the Wikipedia guys that though.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Once you admitted to something on a ''publically viewable'' webpage, there's really no stopping the info from getting out. You didn't have to admit who it was ''specifically''. But, I guess if you're gonna be good over there, you ''might'' be allowed to stay. Doesn't Wikipedia have something for reformed vandals? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:53, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::You're assuming they're even gonna notice. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::I like being honest. If anybody asks, I can tell them who "Divebomb" is, since I never agreed to keep it secret. Don't tempt me. Also, we (both of us) should get back on topic. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:52, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I think it is certainly a good idea to make a page such as that! I happen to be very interested in this kind of thing because I, too used to dick around with my toys and I want a wiki article on it; I don't want to search around on geoshitties-type websites for such things. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:It would have to be kept brief, with just a few well-known examples, or we'd have people forever adding the fan mode they thought up five minutes ago to turn classics Bumblebee into a turtle with the head of a walrus. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::The toilet mode for [[Shortround]] and his redecos should definitely be listed. The Classics [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Classics|Optimus Prime]] and [[Jetfire (G1)#Classics|Jetfire]] combination is another probably notable one. Mention should be made that the design of many movie toys allows multiple configurations.Oh, and the "gerwalk" mode for G1 Jetfire. Beyond that, I'm not sure. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:10, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Don't forget that not all modes are Fan Created. The Jetfire gerwalk mode, for example, is displayed in his instructions, sort of making it official. I remember quite a few instruction booklets showing alternate modes [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:17, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Guess I should have left that one out, I put it in as an afterthought. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:21, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Not going into specifics, but the multiple modes created from RID Megatron and how some of the fandom kept looking for additional modes. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 10:16, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== [[Frank Miller]] ==

A bit of an edit war or something [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Frank_Miller&action=history here]. [[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] and [[User:Detour|Detour]] changed the caption to a [[david Willis|Shortpacked]] reference, changingthe caption to a picture '''I uploaded'''. Isn't that [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|wrong]] or somesuch? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:54, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I guess if other people dislike a joke, then it's okay to change the caption, I think. A while ago, Eire changed a caption I added on [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]'s page, but I didn't mind because the new one was funnier. If you take offense, however, that's something that needs to be discussed.--[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:58, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thing is, their edits put in an '''external link''', that explains the joke. If you look further up this page there's (currently) a section with me getting told by [[Chris McFeely]] and Interrobang that doing so would be a ''bad''thing. If I have to stop doing that, then so should they. Plus, changing a caption like that is discouraged by policy. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:02, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh lordy McLordlord. Okay, first of all. "Who the hell do you think I am?" was Kamina's catchphrase and that's why Konishi gets it. "WTHDYTIA" is merely a small portion of the larger "What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!", and generally the first part to be left out when it's misquoted because it's so forgettable there compared to what comes before and after it. It's really a poor-ass choice of words for Miller's caption any way you look at it. Second of all, the Shortpacked link does not, as you put it, "explain the joke". The joke doesn't need explaining if you know ANYTHING about Miller, that's why it turned meme mere moments after Willis put it up. It's there because that's where the joke originated, and the comic's funny. Just because there's a link in a caption doesn't mean it's a deliberate attempt at explaining a joke. Look around and you'll see plenty of other captions with such links within them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:17, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::''Second of all, the Shortpacked link does not, as you put it, "explain the joke". The joke doesn't need explaining if you know ANYTHING about Miller,'' What kind of logic is that? "The link doesn't explain the joke, provided you already understand the joke!" Anyway, while I am personally probably more in favor of linked-text jokes then some seem to be lately, I think they should only be done when the links are inter-wiki. Also, if Item42 put the image up, I say let him keep his own damn caption. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Eh, I guess if it's Uploader's Choice... I finally managed to be provided with a much cooler image of Miller that's in tune with other real-life people's photos (such as [[Maurice LaMarche]] and [[Ernie Hudson]]), going with an unlikely role of theirs. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:53, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

:::Ahem,
#I know both lines pretty well.
#Just because people do that a lot,doesn't mean it should be done (for example, the caption page has a list of jokes this community is sick of. An example outside this wiki would be main namespace-conversation on TV Tropes)
#I thought the captions are supposed to be a bonus for people who upload stuff?
#It would be much better if this wiki's pages policy give more comprehensive/complete advice.
[[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:23, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:Did... did Detour just upload a ''different'' picture of Frank Miller just so he could get to "win" and make up it's caption? Seriously? Wow. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:54, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::He did both and it's fuckin' hilarious. Much better than anything that was there before! --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 12:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't even disagree that it's a better picture for us to use, it's just to up and do that right in the middle of this discussion is, well... kind of a dick move, really. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:58, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::Not exactly. I'd been asking around for a still of Frank the chemist for a while now. The previous caption just gave my acquaintances the extra motivation to it for me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:00, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
Why the fuck are we having a discussion on this. 
::::I don't have a problem with somebody changing the caption if they uploaded a new picture. Unless... a few hundred pictures are uploaded over old ones just because somebody wanted to change the caption. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:14, 1 October 2010 (EDT)
I would like to point out that half of the discussions on this page in the last six weeks have been started by Item42. Can you dial back the need to have elaborate explanations for reverts of your edits, please? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:32, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:To prevent edit warring? I don't see why this shouldn't be discussed. (Though I might point Item to our Allspark thread for other discussions.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:36, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I suppose I should also ask why we're having an edit war over a ''caption''. Guys. ''Guys.''[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

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== TFsource ad buy ==

TFsource contacted me, having seen our perennial Reprolabels ad up above and wanting in on a piece of the action, wanting to permanently buy one of our other ad spots. The question I have is, would/should we restrict them from ads depicting "third-party" toys and bootlegs? Perhaps this is the ghost of BotCon hovering over me, since their Wall Of Trademark And Copyright Theft Directly Facing the Hasbro Booth is prominent in my mind, and I know a few of the editors here expressed some displeasure with that. Is that a big deal for anyone, does anyone care in this context, or should I be all "ABSOLUTELY!" and then we make a deal and rake in the dough? Can we even judge, since we have, you know, all of this scanned material and whatnot? These are the questions I present. Tell me how much they matter. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:24, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:All else being equal I'd prefer to avoid it, unless we're desperate for cash. We know some Hasbro staff look at this wiki and they've been clear in how much that stuff bugs them. Also, the more our pageviews include imagery of Fake Magnus Armor and Fake Springer and Fake Rod et al., the more we're going to have to deal with new arrivals who feel that's all kosher for inclusion in the main articles. If it's possible to get a TFSource ad that will never display a bootleg, then I'd have no problem with it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:36, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Seems like a reasonable restriction for us to make to me. My take on our scans is that one, we generally err on the side of fair use in not uploading entire pages and making sure we credit the hell out of things, and two, they're not a 100% vital part of the wiki anyway--if Hasbro told us to take every scan down tomorrow we could comply and still have a perfectly usable (just a less visually exciting) wiki. 
::That's kind of different from openly advertising toys that totally violate Hasbro's copyright, though. Even aside from the legal tangles (which is no small aside, certainly), while I know we are in that murky grey area in some things, we ''have'' always tried to play as fair as we can with Hasbro in how we operate. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:40, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree, no knockoffs in our ads if we can help it.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:44, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ditto on no knockoffs in the ads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:59, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::ALL ABOARD THE DITTO ASTROTRAIN --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:07, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::N-O on the K-Os. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, if TFSource can give us ad without IP infringing product, I say let em in. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:17, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Yikes, I'm looking at the side banner right now and it's full of IP infringing products. The one I see has Knight Morpher Commander, Crossfire Munition and Explorer and Warbot Defender. The only ACTUAL Transformers product in there is Masterpiece Ghost Starscream. I think it would be bad form to keep ads like that on the site. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:19, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ads without IP infringing material would be fine with me. [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]] 18:56, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Ugh. When they were allowed to buy the ad space, did they promise no knock-offs? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::Big NO on knockoffs, including third-party. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:51, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I am cool with them buying adspace IF they only advertise official Transformers products. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:14, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::I say YES to having the Third party stuff on here. As you can see by the continuity discussion above Hasbro don't really give a damn about Transformers fiction the way we do. The third party stuff proves that those guys have passion that many in Hasbro do not. And "knock-offs" is a bit harsh, no? So in summary, screw Hasbro and yeah Fansproject! And let's be honest if the choice as to who controls Transformers came down to a two-way battle between Hasbro and TFWiki, who would you pick? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:44, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Drmick, we're talking '''''IP infringement''''' here and we occasionally have actual Hasbro folks peek in here time to time. I think I speak for the others in that none of us wants them knocking on the wiki's doors with some form of a C&D or something that'll restrict us (save certain circumstances). We've probably toed a couple lines somewhere more than several times, and I for one, do NOT want our relationship with Hasbro to be messed up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 12:22, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::What LG said. Also, we're not talking about putting Fansproject's knockoffs on the wiki itself... just adspace for sites dedicated to selling such knockoffs. And I'm giving that idea a big fat ''hell no''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:49, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::No doubt the only reason the ad is still up is because Walky's on the road. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:38, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::What ad are you guys seeing? All I see is a Project Wonderful sidebar ad (current bidder is Unreal Books) and reprolabels permanent banner up top. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::I'm seeing a TFSource ad ABSOLUTELY FULL of pics of third-party stuff. And MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:57, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::Yeah, for some reason I'm not seeing any of that. I just see two Project Wonderful ads on the left hand side "Advertisement" sidebar, so TF Source's ad must be triggered by IP address or something. Also, if the ad is already up after only one day (or less) of community consultation, and Walky's not around to deal with administration problems relating to it (especially as there is a fear of how TF Source's wares would look to Hasbro), then that's poor planning on his part, (no offense intended, boss.) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:02, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::Weird, it's gone for me, now. Where it was I have a Project Wonderful ad displaying Akemi's Anime World. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:11, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::Still there for me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:36, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::Just tried it on another browser that I never use (in case there's some cache thing on the main browser - no change, I don't see the TF Source banner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::Project Wonderful ads are localized, guys. TFSource probably just shelled out the dough for their ad in the States only. I've never seen it up, myself. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:34, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::I'm in ''Poland'', Detour. That's on an entirely different ''continent'' than the US. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:37, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::I'm in Canada, and I have seen it. I just don't see it anymore. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:44, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::Wait, you're Polish? I had no idea. You talk gooder English than me. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:39, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::: The advert's currently only displaying in Europe. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:26, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::::: No wonder, all I see are just two Project Wonderful random ads. And I'm in Taiwan. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 05:52, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TFsource said they were willing to give us a banner that has no third-party stuff on it! Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yeh, that sounds nice to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:09, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::And it should be noted that during the time we were displaying the "offending" ad, we had not yet agreed to have an adspace bought out by TFSource. They'd just bought the ad the normal way, and as they'd been a prior bidder, they were pre-approved.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:13, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Excellent - my apologies, Walky. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:00, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
That sidebar ad with the knock-off Swindle, Springer, and HoS Optimus has started showing up for me again, in Canada if that's relevant. It had stopped showing up less than a day after I first saw it, but now it's there again. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:46, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

:Another Canadian here. Same situation as Cattleprod. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:58, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

::Me too, same ad as before, knockoffs and all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:12, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yep, knock-off ad here too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:44, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

::::On the Project Wonderful site, both the Canadian and EU traffic are seeing the version of the banner with the Munitioner upgrade sets, Knight Morpher Commander and Warbot Defender. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:24, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Now I see THE ad, too. (Taiwan, Asia) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

Welp, Californian and now I'm seeing the Munitioner set, alongside Knight Morpher and Warbot Defender with MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm in Ohio and getting Naruto vol. 48 as the ad. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 02:45, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

::TFSource's knockoffs ad is back for Canadian and European visitors. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:59, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Seeing all sorts of KOs advertised now. Can we void their contract and keep their money as a fine for breaking their agreement with us? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:02, 15 July 2010 (EDT)PS- since when is NC in Europe/Canada?

:::Welp, [http://img535.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead01.jpg/ this] [http://img693.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead02.jpg/ I certainly] [http://img14.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead03.jpg/ agree]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:05, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Same here, and I'm American. I'm only sort of mentioning this because they let someone steal my credit card. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 22:50, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::As mentioned, we haven't actually committed to any deal yet with them, and any ads you see are them going through the standard Project Wonderful process. They've bought ads with us before, and thus as long as they have the high bid, they're pre-approved. They're going to have the proposed first-party-products-only ad to submit to Walky sometime next week.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:11, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

====Guys====
There is no "contract" to "void." Their permanent ad buy hasn't STARTED. They've been advertising with those particular ads for months. You've just finally noticed them because I brought them up. We haven't even discussed what the ad space will cost them since I've been busy and they said they won't have a new ad for us for about a week anyway. So, like, chill out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:31, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:For months? Huh... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:21, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

====And it's done====
TFsource owns our skyscraper until whenever they don't want to anymore. It's all official stuff, so everyone happy? (Yay!) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:Can we please somehow code it to say "This ad comes with a 100% chance of not causing us headaches" beneath the ad? (Nah, not really.)
:Also, I'm happy. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

:Looks awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:That looks great! Nice and slick-looking. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:55, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Simon Furman's IDW pitch ==

So here's a thing. The following text is Simon Furman's original pitch for Transformers comics when IDW took up the license, printed in the back of the "Best of Simon Furman" hardback collection. I skimmed this a few years back when the book was released and it passed under my nose at work, but since then, we've never had any of the info on the wiki, and I've never seen any discussion of it on any forums - presumably because none of us actually BOUGHT the dang thing, since we own all these stories in multiple formats already. I borrowed the book and transcribed the pitch so that anyone interested can read it, and we can maybe actually do something with the info. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:01, 8 July 2010 (EDT)
:Hmm. I've never seen this before. It's pretty interesting that Furman was itching to do Cybertron , which is weird, because by the time IDW was announced as the new comic licensee, Cybertron had started. Would take awhile to get a Cybertron comic up and running, I would think. By the time it came out, it might be already too late. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:58, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::It wouldn't surprise me if that's why it was modified so much. But, um, should we be duplicating this sort of material here? I mean, sure, The Best of Simon Furman wasn't the most popular book, but isn't this just copyright infringement? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 03:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, that was on my mind as I was transcribing it. I don't really intend to permanently house this anywhere - I just wanted to get it up so people could get a look, take in the info, maybe do something wiki-related with it, then I'd scrub it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TRANSFORMERS… A NEW DIRECTION

A Proposal For IDW

--Simon Furman--

In the (Armada/Energon) Cybertron timeline…

…UNICRON IS DESTROYED, utterly wiped out of existence by a seismic shock warhead detonated deep within its superstructure (events which would be visited retroactively in any subsequent ‘Energon’ conclusion issues).

But as one threat to Cybertron ends, another has only just begun. A rift in time and space – a massive ‘chronal’ black hole formed by the annihilation of Unicron – is threatening to suck Cybertron in, tear it apart in an internal maelstrom of deconstructed space and time. Only by anchoring the planet, via a spacebridge, to Earth’s energon core can Cybertron maintain its tenuous position, but it’s at best a quick fix. To seal the rift, they need the power of PRIMUS, the progenitor of the entire TRANSFORMERS race. But while a fragment of the dormant Primus lifeforce exists within Cybertron, the rest is lost, scattered throughout the universe, buried deep within strange, alien worlds.

Roused (from eons of chronal stasis in a dimension outside of normal space and time) by the impending cataclysm, the immortal sentinel known as Vector Prime spearheads the search for the Primus lifeforce, guiding Optimus Prime and his Autobots on a quest that will take them to aliens worlds in the farthest corners of the galaxy and beyond. But where Prime and the Autobots go… Megatron and the Decepticons are never far behind.

Clad in the armor of Unicron, fuelled by a fragment of his Spark, Megatron has become a true agent of chaos. He’s prepared to sacrifice Cybertron, Earth and any other world in order to contain and absorb the lifeforce of Primus himself, his ultimate aim to transform himself… into a living god!

And the ‘Cybertron’ timeline is not the only one to feel the effects of the destruction of Unicron. In fact… it’s one of the lucky ones.

<<In all the disparate timelines, all the myriad dimensions, there is but one Unicron. Though physical presence is limited to a single reality at any given time, it exists simultaneously in countless dimensions, shadows of its vast, ancient consciousness inextricably interwoven into the complex geometry of time and space. Its destruction in the Cybertron timeline creates ripples, which become shockwaves, which gather force, become a tidal wave of destruction. In some realities, the effect of the ‘chaos wave’ is total, instantaneous, entire timelines… wiped out. In others, the initial effect is less pronounced, a dramatic event heralding a slow descent into space/time anarchy.>>

In the G1 timeline…

…CYBERTRON IS DESTROYED! The resident Autobots and Decepticons barely have time to evacuate the planet, to eject the core of the planet and it’s precious Vector Sigma cargo (an eventuality made feasible way back when [in The War Within v3]) before the planet is torn apart, smashed into component molecules by the roiling chaos wave. Many Cybertronians don’t make it at all, and are simply wiped out. In a shockingly short time, Cybertron is gone. Forever.

Shocked, stunned, bereft of their homeworld, the remaining populous finds itself spread far and wide throughout the galaxy, seeking (in the Autobots’ case) safe harbor or (in the Decepticons’ case) new worlds to conquer… and colonise. Megatron’s Decepticons have perfecting ‘mechaforming’ technology, invasive, self-replicating machinery designed to restructure the entire geological substructure of a planet, in effect turn it into a new Cybertron. And since the Decepticons are indifferent to the presence or fate of any indigenous civilizations on the planet(s) of choice, it’s down to the Autobots to stop them… at any cost.

Earth, always a pivotal world in the G1 timeline, becomes even more of a focal battleground. Its natural resources are a potent brew that – with the right exploitation and manipulation – can be turned into energon, the lifeblood of the Transformer race. In Decepticon hands the whole world would be turned into a vast refinery, bled dry to fuel the creation of the ‘new’ Cybertron.

And Optimus Prime has an even more pressing concern. Contacted by Vector Prime (who can move within all remaining TF timelines), he is warned that the omniversal geometry is critically out of alignment. The removal of – for want of a better word – ‘evil’ has disturbed an age-old natural balance. Though it goes against every Autobot credo, they must somehow resurrect the dark force known, among other things, as Unicron! The key is the so-called ‘Decepticon Matrix’, a quasi-mythical power source spread throughout the galaxy. Said to be fragments of Unicron itself, released in some apocalyptic confrontation with Primus before the dawn of time, its retrieval and coalescence could restore the balance and dissipate the chaos wave.

Reluctantly, with grave reservations (and considerable dissent in the Autobot ranks) Prime forges an uneasy alliance with two of Unicron’s heralds, Cylonus and Scourge, both of whom are dedicated to the rebirth of their master (for different reasons). But, unknown to Prime, they have a secondary agenda, a plan to use a fragment of the Decepticon Matrix to destroy Megatron… and recreate him as the unstoppable force known as Galvatron!

<<And so, in one timeline, the Autobots seek to make Primus whole once more, while in another, they seek to resurrect the spirit of Unicron, leading ultimately to the new, universe-shaking confrontation between the two ancient forces… one that will (briefly) unite all remaining TRANSFORMERS timelines and continuities in an epic battle for survival.>>

CYBERTRON #0 (AND ONGOING)/G1 #0 (AND ONGOING)

Amidst the larger framework of the ‘chaos wave’ saga, the ongoing thrust of Cybertron is a focused series of one or two-part (largely self-contained, featuring different character assortments) adventures set on Cybertron, Earth and the key planets (Speed, Beast and Giant) that support its core quest… the search for the lifeforce of Primus. At every turn, the Autobots are confounded and frustrated by the Decepticons, but in the process forge new alliances and friendships, both on Earth and beyond. It’s a race against time… with the fate of Cybertron (and more) hanging in the balance.

The G1 title expands the scope and reach of the line, exploring wider character/conflict story arcs (while pulling in much more fan-friendly past and future continuity) and dramatically shaking the whole TRANSFORMERS mythos to its core, streamlining and redefining the sometimes confusing mass of ‘alternate’ timelines. But as with Cybertron, the focus will shift to different groups of Autobots/Decepticons on different worlds, faced with differing agendas and challenges.

The issue #0s will be mirror-images of each other, both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an omniverse in chaos, threatened on all fronts. His narrative will serve to encapsulate what has gone before while his actions introduce the primary cast and lay the groundwork for what is to come.

===Noticed something===

{{quote|both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an '''omniverse''' in chaos}}

Some use of the word [[omniverse]]. Wow. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:16, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

===Added it in somewheres===
I've added references to that thing at [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] and [[Cybertron (franchise)]]. Did I do it right? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:21, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

== Usernames ==

Our latest user [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] has what I consider to be a somewhat inflammatory username considering the how many arguments ensue regarding the live-action movies. It's probable that you would have difficulty registering on a forum with such a username. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:I was thinking the same thing. We blocked some guy from registering such a name referencing Detour, why should we allow such statements against Bay? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:09, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, I also thought his name was inappropriate. I don't think personal threats would be acceptable here, particularly about such a controversial figure in Transformers fandom. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::On Wookieepedia we routinely block people for having inappropriate names. I see no reason why we shouldn't have a similar policy here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:19, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::How he creates a new account and the old one is blocked? Some of his edits aren't too bad; I don't see why he shouldn't get a second chance. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:21, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Block the old account, post a nice note explaining that we want him to stay and continue working but that he cannot use a name that is attacking/insulting any person. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:32, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::I am in support of this, but he should be informed via his talkpage for one full day prior to the block, for the sake of not being too harsh. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:04, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I fully agree with Detour. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:18, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Now we just need to find an actual admin. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:12, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::And set the thing right. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:47, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::Well, he ignored Abates. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:52, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::I was [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] but then I kinda stop using it because some mind find it offensive. So I am sorry for my inflammatory username. --[[User:HeyTFWiki|HeyTFWiki]] 05:17, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Official sources policy ==

Recently, some of us have been explaining to a user why video from a cellphone camera of the movie set cannot be taken as official sources. I was going to link to the official sources page when I realized that I do not know what it's called and cannot find it. Which brings me to this point: we actually took the time to write out and codify our what we consider to be official sources, right? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:It's at [[Help:Official info]]. And next time, somebody should probably just place the <nowiki>{{scoop bastard}}</nowiki> template. (I was going to but couldn't find a good chance.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

== Disgusting ad ==
Sorry if I'm posting this at the wrong place, but is there anywhere we can complain about the ads on the wiki? Not to overstep my (very modest) bounds here or anything, but that ad with the GIANT PIMPLE on the back of the guy's neck is really off-putting... You've probably all seen it by now right? I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks this... Call me squeamish if you will, but it's really bothering me... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm with this 100%. I'm so glad I haven't eaten a thing all day, because I'd have lost my breakfast and my lunch by now. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:49, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't mind so much if it would only pop up occassionally (then again, my gross tolerance is relatively high). But to be confronted with the world's largest zit every page I go on this wiki... Rather not. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:55, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I checked the PW sites - must have been outbid so I missed it. What the heck was it for? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:37, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::::It was for a website ''about the world's largest pimple!'' It was [http://www.worldslargestzit.net this] I believe. SO not missing that ad. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:19, 16 July 2010 (EDT)

==Disamb template on calendar pages?==
So while fiddling around with the latest additions to our "day in history" pages, I got to thinking. Separating bullets with a blank line adds to our pages' sizes because that adds a "list start/stop" in the coding, yes? 
Well... does the <nowiki>{{disamb}}</nowiki> Template do that when we split that up with a blank line between them? The only real difference we ''see'' on the page is a "—" instead of a ":" after the bolded year. I fiddled with it a bit (without saving) and it looks good to me; I'll probably do up a Sandbox. If using this template doesn't add to the page size in the back-end that we don't see in the normal edit window... it sure would make it easier to read in said edit window, plus give the lists that litlte extra space between lines for readability on the normal pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:45, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yes, putting spaces between {{tl|disamb}} also causes the problem whereby each item is in its own list. We can space out the more compact lists on the normal pages using css, but I don't think there's any way to space them out on the edit window due to the way MediaWiki parses stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:43, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well, that's goddamn irksome. It's too easy to get lost in a mass of unbroken text in the edit window. but if we can add jsut a little space between items in the final result, I'll be happy. Though this does beg the question of whether we should move over to using the disamb template anyway for calendars. Probably ought to be going over our disambiguation pages and bringing them up to code anyway (well, where dates are applicable). At the very least, I'm liking the use of em-dashes instead of colons. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:23, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

==TF Wiki Firefox Search Engine Add-On==
I'm surprised that one wasn't created a long time ago. It would make things incredibly convenient, and it can't be that hard to make. Anyone else like the idea? Anyone here have experience?
--[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:27, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Please elaborate. What function exactly would such an add-on serve? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:32, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::None. You can add the wiki to the search engines list without messing with addons. Just go to a page on the wiki, and click on the down arrow in Firefox's search box. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:38, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Wow, I must be blind. Thanks guys. There should be something on the home page encouraging visitors to do just that. Might help with traffic. --[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:50, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

== In regards to expo 86. ==

Hey, Editor from Seibertron.com here. The front page list a request about "Information on the Transformers presentation at Vancouver's Expo '86".

I was about 11 then but I spent a lot of time at Expo during that summer. I don't remember any presentations per say, but I do remember that Hasbro (or at least Hasbro Canada) did have a presence. Namely they had 3-4 outdoor kiosks located around the fair, these were freestanding units with each one branded with one of four Hasbro properties, I clearly remember one being for Transformers and another for My Little Pony, the other(s) escape me at the moment but I am fairly certain that GIJoe wasn't there, and one could have been a generic Hasbro one. Additionally, one proper store was set up more for kids goods in the Red Zone near the Land Plaza and UFOH2O, that stocked the same items.

Due to the size of the units a good amount of available items were blister packs mainly Scamble City units. Boxed TF's were available but in smaller amounts (For some reason I want to say a good number of Wreck-gars and Gnaws were there) Sadly due to the location everything was more expensive than they could be found for at local stores. What was cool is that each of the kiosks regardless of how they were branded had a bit of everything, and they occasionally had loose pieces on hand. (I do remember playing with a Swindle at the actual TF Kiosk.

Don't know if that really helps but hopefully it did. Feel free to contact me thru Seibs if you have any questions.

:Hmm, that's interesting, though, it being your memories from about 24 years ago, I'm not sure how "article information"-worthy it is. Would you happen to have any photos taken of the event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:25, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

::Not in my personal collection, but since writing the above I have been looking thru some online records of the fair to see if I can spot those kiosks. If I remember correctly where a couple were I might be able locate some. If I can find them I'll post here.

:::In our anon's defense, I offer the following taken from a story titled "Expo '86 a hit at luring firms through turnstiles" written by Jennifer Hunter, and published in the May 1st, 1986 edition of ''The Globe and Post'':
::::Expo is offering corporate exclusivity; there was already a soft-drink manufacturer, a car maker and a bank, but no toy company. Hasbro - with 1985 sales of $1.2-billion (U.S.) and profit of $99-million - is one of the largest toy manufacturers in North America and seemed a likely candidate to fork over dollars for a world's fair.

::::Mr. Hassenfeld and his brother Stephan could not resist the Expo slogan - Invite the World. A global showcase for Hasbro toys was too good an offer to turn down. So the Hassenfeld brothers delivered a cheque for $2-million (Canadian) to sponsor the Expo Centre geodesic dome. In return, Hasbro toys will be sold on the fair site.

::::"Bringing the name Hasbro before the public is the major reason we are participating," Mr. Hassenfeld said.

:::So it looks like his memories are probably accurate. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:22, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Hopefully '''''whomever asked for this information in the first place''''' will pop in and comment. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:53, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Titan Magazines ==

Is there a reason why none of the Titan Movie comics pages have Featured Character boxes? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:It is highly possible that the pages (or at least the sections) are still under working. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:52, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

::They seem pretty complete other than the featured character lists. Not sure what's up with that! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:26, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:::*makes note to add Featured Character boxes to as many Titan Movie comics pages as possible sometime in the near future* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:53, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== No Hasbro Q and A? ==

Just wondering: Are we not participating in the Hasbro QandA's any more? We apparently didn't submit anything to the last one (along with a lot of other places weirdly, did Hasbro trim the list of who could ask or something?). Anyway, according to the Allspark the next set of questions are due Aug 9th, just wanted to see if anyone knew what was up? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:30, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
: We didn't send in questions because they were due during BotCon and we messed up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well it's kinda understandable. We were hardly the only ones to miss it, given the slim list of sites with questions for July. Anyway, we'll have question solicitation for August open soon then? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:45, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== An article on racing ==

Not sure if this is exactly the right place to ask this, but...

Would an article on [[racing]] be appropriate for the wiki? Races do seem to crop up a lot in TF fiction. Off the top of my head, I can think of the [[Trans-Europe Express]] (G1), the race series where [[Road King]] was found (Masterforce), the nutty race where everyone tried to lure out [[Skid-Z (RID)|Skid-Z]] (RID), the one the Autobots had after Inferno died (Energon), [[Velocitron]]'s entire culture (Cybertron), and [[Street Demon]] (Animated).

Aye or nay? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 13:23, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
: If there's enough races, perhaps a category would suffice? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::Might I suggest [[Cybertronian_sport#Races|here]] as a starting point.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:37, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Didn't know about that page. Yeah, that's more appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:52, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Fan translated manga images. ==

I noticed quite a few images of manga that have fan translations in the word bubbles. It the wiki cool with that? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:55, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Well, I for one don't mind, because it lets me understand what's going on... it's official media, just translated by fans. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:58, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::If the person uploading it can vouch for the accuracy of the translation, then I have no problem with it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:04, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Movie 1 characters vs drones ==

Am I alone in thinking maybe we should split up pages like [[Longarm (Movie)]] and [[Swindle (Movie)]] into pages that cover the individual characters and the drones in their likeness separately? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:56, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:I'd agree with that. I thought we had already done that for some of them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:36, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree with the splitting if possible. Since individual characters are much different from drones. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:20, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Split 'em. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:33, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Reissues and rereleases ==

Which reissues deserve to be listed separately from their original release? For some reason, reissues of G1 toys have been listed separately on some pages but not on others. I think [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s toy page mentions aimsing to list all reissues separately. The 2010 [[Piranacon]] reissue is listed separately, but not the 2010 [[Predaking]]. Also, the toys rereleased in [[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] are listed separately on the character pages even though they're ''completely'' unchanged, unlike some reissues of G1 figures. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:35, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:I think part of that is simply older pages not having been updated since the decision was made to separate reissues (At least I'm pretty sure we are aiming to keep them separate). Newer reissues, like the Predaking, have probably been handled in the way the poster in question had seen such things done on other pages, leading to continuing inconsistency. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:58, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
::So, the current standard is to list releases separately? Is that on any help or policy page? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:12, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Wikia ==

Thank god we jumped ship when we did, because Wikia is planning on switching to a new skin.

[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia Preview]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:43, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

:They must have switched already? Because every single Wikia site is completely effed up in IE7 now. --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 18:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::No, they haven't. They're having technical problems with the server they use for css and images. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:12, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

== Explicitly Saying Characters Are Similar To Earlier Characters Of Same Name ==

On the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] talk page, [[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] is saying that characters that are homages to earlier characters of the same name need to have this pointed out, in something like the form "Blackarachnia (Animated) is based on the original Blackarachnia (BW), who first appeared in the Beast Wars franchise."
* Is this a good idea, as it will help people who are new to Transformers learn about the history of the brand?
* Is it unnecessary to point out that characters are similar to earlier characters of the same name, since it's very common, and would involve altering lots of pages?
* Other?
[[User:JW|JW]] 19:18, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:Blackarachnia (Animated) has a lot of similarities and also a lot of differences with Blackarachnia (BW). I don't think I'd go so far as to say she was "based on" Blackarachnia (BW). Swindle (Animated), on the other hand, is a direct transplant of Swindle (G1). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:47, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

::It may seem like a total DUH kind of thing to all the long-time TF fans who inhabit this place, but for our readers, such information seems totally relevant and useful. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:05, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::There's a friggin' disambig right up top in a separated box for... all the charcaters who have the same name! Wow! And we're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of pages where we'd have to do this. It's not quite "This is a picture of Megatron" level DUH, but it's in the ballpark. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:53, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I honestly don't understand what the disambigs have to do with this. The only information they are there to convey is "there are other characters with this name, go to this separate page for a list." They don't in any way tell you "this character who's article you're reading now was based on this other one." Especially since many characters who share the name don't actually have any other relationship to each other. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:15, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Characters with the same name as each other within the same brand are expected to be similar (if not identical) to each other, with older ones serving as inspiration for later ones. If characters of the same name are not similar would seem to be more notable than if they are similar. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:09, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::The Prowls, Scavengers, Razorclaws, and Bonecrushers tend to have very little to do with one another. Note that the main page for the Animated franchise points out that so many of the characters are clear homages to their earlier-series namesakes too. Since it has been over 10 years since the first Blackarachnia did anything, I don't see the harm in putting a one-liner at the top of BA-Animated's "Notes" section saying she's totally based on the first one. Kil is right--it wouldn't be "just so obvious" to a 14-year-old who was brought in by the movies and Animated. To a newcomer, why would it be especially obvious that Animated Ironhide and Blitzwing are based on namesakes from Cold War-era cartoons they never saw? Where's the harm in just one line? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:29, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I have to agree that it's not going to be obvious to someone coming in from the Movie or Animated, or even the Unicron Trilogy that many of the homages are homages. Especially Ratchet, given the drastically different color scheme Movie Ratchet (Rescue Ratchet toys notwithstanding) has compared to the others. I admit, it might seem a litte weird to make what seems to us to be such an obvious note on so many pages but if our goal is to make this Wiki accessible and informative to fans of all levels then I think it's necessary to do so.
::::::And for BA's case, I think it additionally warrants mentioning Binaltech Blackwidow as a direct inspiration. Because even though most of the design cues come originally from her first and TM2 incarnations, I don't think you get to Animated BA with the combination of attributes (and the black gloves) without going through the Binaltech version first. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:06, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I feel it's necessary to point out that a newcomer is probably not going to get to the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] page without passing through [[Blackarachnia (disambiguation)]] first. So, they're gonna be made aware of the Beast Wars character. (Sure, they might get there through other means, but it's not the most likely route.)
::::::However, if the consensus is leaning toward allowing notes of the form "Foo is based on Foo of same name," how do we decide which characters need it? Just from Animated, here's all the characters who visually homage previous characters of the same name: Arcee, Big Bang Prime, Blackarachnia, Blackout, Blitzwing, Blurr, Botanica, Brawn, Bumblebee, Bumper, Cliffjumper, Cosmos, Cyclonus, Dai Atlas, Devcon, Flip Sides, Grimlock, Highbrow, Hot Shot, Hot Spot Major, Impactor Major, Ironhide, Jazz, Laserbeak, Longrack Major, Mainframe, Mixmaster, Octus, Omega Supreme, Omega SPREEM, Optimus Prime, Perceptor, Powerglide, Primal Major, Railspike Major, Ratbat, Ratchet, Reflector, Rodimus Prime, Rosanna, Seaspray, Silverbolt Major, Sky-Byte, Soundwave, Spittor, Springer, Starscream (Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ramjet, Dirge, Thrust, Sunstorm), Steeljaw, Straxus, Strika, Swindle, Swoop, Tracks, Warpath, Wheeljack, Zaur. (I left out the Witwickys and some of the Bumblebee-clones.) Do we add that note to ''all'' of them? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:49, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
In the absence of any strong support either way on this issue, I'm going to assume our current implicit policy holds: When a new character is based on an old character of the same name, explictly pointing it out is neither required nor prohibited. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:14, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity note ==

Which articles don't need one. [[Vector Prime]] doesn't but [[Nexus Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion (Prime)]] ''do''. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:42, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:...what? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:32, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::He means as multiversal singularities the One, Primus, Unicron, Prima, Fallen and Vector don't have continuity notes at the top indicating which franchise they're from. Nexus is just an interesting case, and frankly all the Alpha Trions should be merged. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:43, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: So, any of 'em need removing? (Also, when did I ever admitmy gender either way?) [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:11, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::How about we wait until we have more information before dealing with any of this? I swear. We know so very little about how this new continuity family works with (or doesn't) what's come before, and sweeping changes like merging Alpha Trions may end up being messily reverted. How about we hold the hell off until we learn more. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:21, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::What about [[Nexus Prime]]'s article? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:31, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::What's '''wrong''' with it? Seriously? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:I'm asking about the need for a continuity identifier,which, as pointed out above is absent in some [[multiversal singularity|similar]] articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:18, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:: Those guys aren't made out of other guys. I am wondering very hard why this is an issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: I just want to know how things are supposed to be done so I could do said things properly. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:46, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

== Malware warning ==

I just got a malware warning when I tried to load the page, seemingly resulting from the css file included from [[User:Derik|Derik]]'s site emopanda. I'm taking the call to that script out of common.css until we can get it sorted. Most of the css is also in a local file that's already being included anyway, so hopefully nothing should break. The malware warning refers me to [http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://emopanda.com/&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US this page]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:15, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some Wikipedia user ==

From [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NotARealWord&oldid=381724818 my Wikipedia talk page]
{{note|Yes, I have different usernames on different wikis.}}

{{quote|I take it you don't know the TFWiki very well. It's server is run by [[David Willis|a guy]] who blocked Wikipedia Transformers editors from it He has publically stated that he started that server to have a place away from Wikipedia to make his articles. Anyone who edits in a proper Wikipedia style with limiting things to notable topics with reliable sources (which is me, by his standards) gets reverted and blocked|
User:Mathewignash|
}}

Okay, User:Mathewignash seems to be responsible for a lot of the TF fancruft on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Transformers Wikipedia]. Also has been trying to "save" articles nominated for deletion due to lack of notability. Makes me wonder:
* Is this person somebody the admins here are familiar with?
* How do I respond to that statement against TFWiki? Considering I was pretty welcomed here when I started. Should I point out the users who regularly use ''both'' sites?
* Is there some small corner of the [[fandom]] that likes buttloads of fancruft-y TF articles, but have something against using TFWiki?
* Is this person anything to do with the people asking TFWiki to be more like [[Wikipedia]], despite how its rules are '''very''' unsuitable for a TF-specific wiki? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:[[User:Primal Rage]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:53, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yes, the community here is very familiar with Mr. Ignash. He and Walky have a long history of feuding. Walky has stated that he came here to escape Ignash in particular, not wikipedia editors in general. In the few times I've run across Ignash he seems rather jerky, virtually everyone here seems welcoming to me. Don't know about point three. Not sure if Ignash has connections to any of the various people who don't like the wiki's tone, but your point about wikipedia being a bad model for a TF specific site is a good one. While we do strive for proper citations here, "notability" is not a valid criterion for this site. Few TF characters/concepts are truly notable in a real world sense. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:56, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::Thank you, I try to treat wikis differently since they have different purposes. What about the questions in bullet-point number two? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:01, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Your suggestion of mentioning people on both sites is a good idea, I edit on wikipedia under the same alias but much less frequently and even less substantially. Don't know about anyone else. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:07, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::I do. Rarely and with a different name, but I do. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:13, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Ignash is not worth responding to. Let him play in his turd-filled sandbox. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:21, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Correction. Nobody who thinks that Wikipedia is better than TFWiki is worth responding to. I have learned this the hard way. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:31, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::What about that bit about a small corner of the fandom? User:Dream Focus seems to also fit that description. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:43, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::Yes, there is a small corner of the fandom that likes the Wikipedia-style TF articles. However, I would like to know is where the hell you are getting this stuff about Dream Focus fitting that description. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::::To Item42, read the archives on Matthewignash's user talk page at wikipedia. The man can't even follow the rules that he exhorts as superior to ours. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:49, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Please, do point the above out to him. I'd do it myself but they blocked my IP because I decided that Wikipedia was a piece of crap and went on a massive, 40-account vandalism rampage. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:04, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::From what I can tell, Dream Focus is just against deletion of Wikipedia articles under non-notability, and may not be active in Transformers fandom. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:20, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:The issue, simply, is not with "other Wikipedia users" - it is with Ignash himself. There is a ''reason'' the Transformers articles on Wikipedia are such a jumbled mess of copy-pasted partially-overly-detailed summaries, gross generalizations and list after list of Optimus Prime's appearances in ''Family Guy'' and ''Robot Chicken'' that lack any kind of consistency between each other and he is mainly it. Nearly everyone who ever tried to edit constructively there came here because he never compromises on his stupid, stupid way of organizing an article, and we neither want nor require his presence here. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::It reminds me that I moved to Wikia (long before the Exodus) as soon as I found the TFwiki, and soon after that, I left Wikipedia(TF-related) as soon as I found TFwiki has more strict rules than Wikipedia does in some way (for example, we won't see any leak or unofficial information in TFwiki). (And yes, I can't stand some users on Wikipedia.) Plus, I feel Wikipedia is more harsh on fictional-related articles sometimes. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:41, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Once again, correction. It doesn't really matter what the subject is, it just matters if someone has an axe to grind and if there's an admin who is willing to completely ignore common sense so that the people holding the axes can come out on top. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:19, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Well, now it looks like Ignash can't always [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Transformers/Proposed_centralized_transformers_discussion come out on top]. Seems mostly him and Dream Focus trying to stop the article deletions. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:15, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

I think most of us at some point or other already came to the conclusion that Wikipedia was never going to have in-depth Transformers coverage. I'm pretty at-peace with that, because it was never realistic to think that they'd ever do it in the granularity that a dedicated wiki like this place can afford to do. Ignash came over here at one point, and I more or less went to bat for him, which I realize in retrospect was a mistake. The guy's very set in his ways, and he's poison to collaborative projects.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:37, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

:A general purpose encyclopedia (Wikipedia) cannot and should not have the same depth of coverage as dedicated references (tfwiki). Just as you wouldn't expect articles on every minor Shakespearean character on Wikipedia, you shouldn't expect every minor TF to have an article there. As far as going to bat for Ignash, I actually agreed with you standing up for him. Everyone deserves a chance to contribute. The problem was that he didn't want to contribute and collaborate and work within the guidelines here, because of that he is banned. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

::[[Wikipedia]] has just '''way''' too much TF fancruft. The big-time deletion "campaign" going on right now should be able to fix ''some'' of that. Hopefully. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:12, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

:::Dream Focus [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dream_Focus is on Wikia]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:19, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

===Wikipedia's TF Project===
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers|Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers]] 666 articles. Heh [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:26, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

== Dimension-hopping ==

Should that get an article? The "Fiction" sections on [[continuity]] and [[multiverse]] seem mainly about that. Comparing those sections, it seems they're somewhat... redundant. Maybe a separate article about dimension-hopping would be better. Maybe the article should also cover characters moving within the same [[continuity family]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:34, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:The "multiverse" really only appears in fiction when dimension-hopping is involved, so that's why the fiction section is all about dimension hopping. "Continuity" probably doesn't need a fiction section since it is pretty much a wiki thing explaining how the wiki is organized. You are right that we should talk about dimension-hopping in the same continuity. There is a mini-multiverse in the G1 cartoon episode [[Madman's Paradise]] that should be commented on. How does [[Menonia]] relate to the [[multiverse]]? That's a good question. I think that can be explored on the "multiverse" page though. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:53, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Would it be okay if I (or anybody else) removes the "fiction" section of "[[continuity]]" and puts up that information in "[[multiverse]]"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== User admonition templates ==

Is there a list of the various templates that can be placed on a user page to give them advice (editing tips, spelling, no scoops, no fanon, etc)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:27, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[:Category:User notice templates]]. There are some in there that rarely get used! --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:32, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks, NCZ. I could not remember the "correct english" one and couldn't find a page that had one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:58, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Can anyone explain to me why categories that apply to specific toys are put on the general article for the character that toy represents and not on the image of the particular toy? Why not put the category tags on the picture's own page? For example, [[Starscream (Movie)]] is not actually a Kmart exclusive, the Nebular Starscream toy is. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:33, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== Links that overexplain jokes ==

I got reverted on [[Soundwave (ROTF)]] because apparently, adding links to explain captions ruins them. (I didn't remove or change the joke, just added the links. )Should that be on the official caption policy? . Although, I'm rather concerned that more casual readers might not understand references (like "[[JaAm|hump that tank]]" for example), and I don't intend to confuse people. So really, is it so bad to explain jokes (through wikilinks) for the sake of people with little TF knowledge? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:08, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:Well, y'know what they say - "If you have to ''explain'' a joke, there ''is'' no joke." Personally, I've always loathed joke-explaining word-linking, especially when it's to something off-site. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:30, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::Personally, I think that adding those links introduce casual wiki-readers to more TF stuff, and that content should be written with more clueless readers in mind. Although, if it's just ''that bad'', maybe it should be mentioned on the policy page. It's easier to avoid doing things when you know you should. Also, what about on-site linking, like potholing "hump that tank" to [[jaAm]]? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:50, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
Anyway, can I (or anyone else) do at least a ''little bit'' of on-site caption linking?[[User:Item42|Item42]] 18:19, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:43, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Then can someone please put that up on [[Transformers Wiki:Caption]] so that people can be sure that's what the community as a whole wants, and not just the two people who responded here? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:55, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

== Next Hasbro Q&A Questions due Mon! ==

According to the Allspark the next round of Hasbro Q&A questions are due 1 week from today (Sept 13). I know we havn't even recieved the last set of answers back yet. But shouldn't we set up a page to take question submissions for next Mon. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:33, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

:Hey, how come we haven't gotten answers from the [[Hasbro Q&A/August 2010: Question submission|most recent one]] yet? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 17:20, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

::Because Hasbro's a busy place and they haven't had a chance to get them back to us yet. They're usually a week or two behind their estimated return date, nothing new there. This IS the first time I can recall where the next questions might be due before the last set of answers appears though. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== RFC Wiki Spotlight ==

What-ho. If any wiki contributors happen to be listeners of [http://www.tfradio.net Radio Free Cybertron], you may have noticed that I've started doing a small spot on the show called the "Wiki Spotlight", highlighting an interesting article each week and drawing attention to it. Thus far I've just done our featured articles of the last two months, but I figured I'd open up the floor to any and all random suggestions as to what articles - big or small, well-known or obscure - deserve a mention. Speak up! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:07, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[Angry Archer]] and [[Thor]]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:48, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::[[Sky-Byte (RID)]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:::[[Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III]]! -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:56, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::::[[Shockwave (G1)]] looks pretty good to me. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:38, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::[[Wheelie (G1)]], [[Scale]] and [[B.O.T. (episode)]] might be fun to feature. Can I also suggest that a link to the article mentioned be placed on the tfradio.net post accompanying the podcast, because it'll be easier for the listeners. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:48, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

A while back I tried to edit the [[fandom]] page to mention the Podcasts around at the time (TFWIRE, WTF@TFW and the joke that was the Tformers podcast at that time. But TPTB wiped the whole lot! That was a pretty big "Screw you!" to the podcasts. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 15:21, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

== Toy patents ==

User: Sarujo at Wikipedia posted a list of TF related patents. I have put them in [[User: Khajidha/sandbox|my sandbox]]. I've found and corrected a few errors/misidentifications already. Is this material useful or was it all already known? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:30, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:Interesting stuff. Do you mind if I go through the unknowns and put names on the ones I can identify? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:35, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Feel free, that's why I posted the link. I won't have time today to give it the thorough going over it deserves. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:39, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Thanks. And that, as they say, is that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:22, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::They still need to be resorted. Warpath wasn't a Microman mold and it would probably be useful to have the Scramble City molds separated. Beyond that, I don't know. I don't want to get it so sorted that it becomes LESS useful. If nothing else, I figured the notes about inventors/designers might be data otherwise hard to come by. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:32, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Anyone willing to go trolling through patent listings? We seem to be missing those for several members of various combiner teams. Perhaps they can be found by cross referencing those we do have? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:54, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::The designer data ALONE makes these worthwhile. That's awesome information. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:28, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I've conveyed our thanks to Sarujo over at Wikipedia. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:18, 13 September 2010 (EDT)

== Photos of toys ==
I found [[Wikipedia:Template:Non-free 3D art|this]] bit about copyright law.
*Does that mean ''every'' photo of an official TF figure needs a note like "character and toy design under copyright by [[HasTak]]"?
*Should this site also make a template like that?
*Would this be a good reason/excuse to copy photos from other fansites since ''your own photos'' (and anyone else's) would still have to go under fair use?
-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:47, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
: I think that specifically applies to non-US countries, particularly IIRC Germany (Nevermore, confirm/deny?). As the Wiki is hosted in the US it isn't really relevant... yet? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, the Wikipedia template in that link says:
{{quote|This is a two-dimensional representation of a copyrighted sculpture, statue or any other three-dimensional work of art. As such it is a derivative work of art, and per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106 US Copyright Act of 1976, § 106(2)] whoever holds copyright of the original has the exclusive right to authorize derivative works. 

Per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 § 107] it is believed that reproduction for criticism, comment, teaching and scholarship constitutes fair use and does not infringe copyright.}}
So it ''is'' US-relevant. Although, looking at the [[Wikipedia:Template talk:Non-free 3D art#totallydisputed|talk page]], it seems that said law(s) might not be something to take seriously. So, no stealing toy photos? If not, can I try to get the clearly stolen ones (like one section of [[:Image:20thAnniversary OptimusPrimesm.jpg|this]]) replaced? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:44, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:IIRC the law in question came up during (of all things) Batman Forever, when a copyrighted piece of industrial statue donated to a city as used as a shooting location in the film, got integrated into the sets, showed up on t-shirts and promotional cups, etc... the studio ended up paying millions in damages.
:Generally when I (rarely) take toy photos, I note that the '''photo''' is released to the public domain but ''Character likeness is {{c}} Hasbro 20XX'', making it clear that the ''photo'' is free, but its subject may not be. (Making a sculpture based on the photo would, obviously, present copyright issues.) Character likeness, IMO, seems like a better phrase to use than design since with multiple toys over decades, that's really what's being protected here-- not the transformation schema of mold D-22B.
:Part of what it means is that virtually '''no''' images on the wiki are eligible for "Copyleft," the status of absolute-public-domain with no entailment or restrictions. (This is not unique. A photo of your own family with a Coke ad in the background isn't eligible for Copyleft either.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:04, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::Derik, how do you release something in public domain if you can't release it under copyleft? Also, does this mean that it's okay to steal toy photos? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:04, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

== Galvatron ==
So in [http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2010/09/14/hasbro-transformers-qa-august-2010-answers/ ASM's Q&A response], Hasbro pretty much officially says to consider Galvatron a separate character from Megatron for all practical purposes. How do we tackle this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:I interpret it as saying that in inducting Megatron, Galvatron is not being inducted by connection, since [[Megatron (Animated)|not all Megatrons have become Galvatrons]], and some interpretations of Galvatron (like IDW) are separate from Megatron. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:00, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I don't think this really changes anything about the way we've already got Galvy covered. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:14, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

== Excessive Trivia Sections ==

Ok, a few days ago I attempted to clean up some trivia sections. I realize in hindsight I was tired and being a wanker and was removing valuable information, and I apologize for that. However, I think some of our trivia could definitely stand to be integrated into the articles themselves, especially notes like "This character's Universe toy was..." or "in the Energon comic, so-and so was completely different". I would like to integrate these but I was hoping to get an opinion on this, since I went about it wrong once already. Thoughts? -- [[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 12:44, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
:Agreed. The Notes sections (shouldn't be Trivia anymore) are for information that doesn't fit elsewhere. If there is a logical place to put it, move the information there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:58, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Editing Drift's related materials ==
Actually, this would cover whatever anyone of us have a '''large''' dislike of, but yeah. This is a wiki, where we're supposed to be informative and be able to present the info in a fun way. I'm not entirely sure of how objective we can be (humor aside), but the whole kerfluffle on Drift's mini and cameos showing in his mini is making me worried on the attitudes of certain editors that could easily descend into a editing/name-calling/accusation war. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:39, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
:My position is the Wiki doesn't have to be ''objective'', so long as it isn't ''unreasonable''. There are plenty of flaws in Drift and Shane McCarthy's work to poke fun of -- there's no reason to create ones that aren't true.
:I was re-reading Drift #1 and happened to notice he DID suffer damage from those laser blasts while fleeing. I remembered that note on the Wiki joking that he was "laser-proof", so I removed it. I also posted on the Talk page explaining why. Detour restored the Note several times anyway, even though it was false as written. He eventually tried to re-write it, adding something about Deadlock surviving blasts that blew off Jetstorm's head earlier. Nowhere in the comic did Jetstorm's head get blown off. Drench's did, notCarnivac's did, but Jetstorm was fine. It just shows that Detour doesn't care about being accurate so long as he's not giving an inch on anything Anti-McCarthy on the Wiki.
:So really -- can't we be ''better'' than that? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 22:05, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but I really think Detour shouldn't be allowed to edit anything connected to McCarthy. And I'm pretty much branded an irrational anti-McCarthy troll on the IDW boards, so I think this is saying something. I'm first in line to complain when ''he deserves it'', this sort of stuff is just petty and weakens the valid criticism by association. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:25, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::So because I mixed up Drench and Jetstorm's name, I'm now "making stuff up"? Now who's being irrational? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:39, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Please try to be accurate when editing articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 02:57, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I don't think you really comprehend this discussion and the situation leading up to it, Item42. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:17, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Um, people generally hate [[Drift (G1)|Drift]], this wiki's editors want to have reliable articles, and Detour got stuff mixed up, which people blame on his anti-Drift-ism. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:53, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

== External Links ==

Similar to the whole business of changing all the "Trivia" sections into "Notes" sections, this is just a heads up for anyone who wants to chip in for a mundane task: if you ever see a link to TFU.info (or a similar toy site) in the External Links section of a character's page, relocating it to that character's Toys section would be super-awesome. (And if the External Links section subsequently becomes empty, get rid of it.) I wouldn't really describe this as a task with much urgency behind it, but it will make characters' pages look consistent, and consistency looks nice. It's really a minor edit that's easy and quick to do, and I'd appreciate some help in this fiasco. An example of how this is supposed to look like can be found at [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal's toy section]]. So keep an eye out while you're bored and clicking that "Random Page" button. :) --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 12:37, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
:I've been trying to do these whenever I come across one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
==Who hosts your wiki now==
Wikia is making more unpopular changes, [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia] with a new skin which is even more unpopulat.

In this angry discussion, your site was mentioned as one site which said "f--- you wikia" and left, which I respect so much, and would like to emulate.

I am wondering who is hosting your wikia, and how much does it cost per year? If you could do it again, how would you do it differently? Who could I maybe ask these questions too?

Thank you. [[User:Adamtheclown|Adamtheclown]] 17:12, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:We're hosted on [http://www.slicehost.com/ Slicehost]. What you go for hostingwise will really depend on how popular your site is though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:25, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

== McAfee SiteAdvisor review rating this site incorrectly ==

As a countermeasure to viruses on the net, I have a special version of McAfee that has this widget-type thing that gives me ratings on the security of certain websites. I have noticed that this website was recently given a big, fat red "X" rating, showing that this website contains malware and other things, all because of one single rating that the reviewer said he did not like this website. He did not say this was a malware site, but the system apparently decided to take ''one'' person's personal opinion and rate this site as a horrible website so every time I go in, I get this asininely huge message saying "MCAFEE HAS TESTED THIS SITE AND FOUND IT TO BE BLAH BLAH BLAH".

I don't think that just one siteadvisor reviewer (myself) can turn around that rating. Sure, a website can be full of people with questionable morals and values, but that has no reflection on the security of the website. Can I have a little help here?

Here is the page for this website: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/tfwiki.net?premium=false&client_uid=1093063016&client_ver=3.1.0.175&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0-884&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0&pip=true --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 08:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

:Questionable "morals and values"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:27, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I feel like I know that guy from somewhere. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Gotta be [[User: Primal Rage|mignash]]. Also, how could it be a bad shopping experience, we don't SELL anything. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::No, mignash doesn't spell that well. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:43, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::People usually say "bad shopping experience" in place of "bad experience" because there is a bulleted selector so you don't have a lot of choices. What I don't like is having this website have a false security rating, I don't really care about that negative reviewer with the social rating. It's a ''security'' database, not how good or bad something is socially. Maybe the person was [[User:Trolly McTrollerson|Trolly McTrollerson]] and since he was b& he just wanted to troll even more? --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:45, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Meh. Considering David Willis's reputation as a "fandom boogeyman", stunts like this hardly surprise me. There's a lot of petty fans who apparently categorically refuse to edit this wiki out of hatred for Willis (which apparently also stops them from editing at Wikia as well, go figure...) and who basically go "Yeah? I know Transformers! I'm going to make my own Transformers wiki! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the wiki!". So, yeah. Hardly surprising. I've dropped off a review myself, but it still doesn't appear to be enough to raise the rating... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:11, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== Fan-configurations of toys ==

(From [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fan-mode|here]], I'm not sure who "User:Divebomb" is though)
Should we have an article on how people would have made-up modes of their toys just because the toys can be configured that way (such as that "combination" of Classics Jetfire and Optimus Prime)? Or maybe just mention that stuff in an article somewhere (like [[Toy]])?
{{note|I'm not suggesting we mention that on individual character ''pages'', cos that will just spiral out of control.}}

-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I find it odd that we don't have a fan-mode article here. It seems like it would be a valid topic, and a few famous/infamous examples should be mentioned on that page. I agree that we don't need to mention them on individual pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:37, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::FYI, User:Divebomb would happen to be me. (Don't tell the Wikipedia guys that though.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Once you admitted to something on a ''publically viewable'' webpage, there's really no stopping the info from getting out. You didn't have to admit who it was ''specifically''. But, I guess if you're gonna be good over there, you ''might'' be allowed to stay. Doesn't Wikipedia have something for reformed vandals? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:53, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::You're assuming they're even gonna notice. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::I like being honest. If anybody asks, I can tell them who "Divebomb" is, since I never agreed to keep it secret. Don't tempt me. Also, we (both of us) should get back on topic. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:52, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I think it is certainly a good idea to make a page such as that! I happen to be very interested in this kind of thing because I, too used to dick around with my toys and I want a wiki article on it; I don't want to search around on geoshitties-type websites for such things. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== [[Frank Miller]] ==

A bit of an edit war or something [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Frank_Miller&action=history here]. [[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] and [[User:Detour|Detour]] changed the caption to a [[david Willis|Shortpacked]] reference, changingthe caption to a picture '''I uploaded'''. Isn't that [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|wrong]] or somesuch? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:54, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I guess if other people dislike a joke, then it's okay to change the caption, I think. A while ago, Eire changed a caption I added on [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]'s page, but I didn't mind because the new one was funnier. If you take offense, however, that's something that needs to be discussed.--[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:58, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thing is, their edits put in an '''external link''', that explains the joke. If you look further up this page there's (currently) a section with me getting told by [[Chris McFeely]] and Interrobang that doing so would be a ''bad''thing. If I have to stop doing that, then so should they. Plus, changing a caption like that is discouraged by policy. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:02, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh lordy McLordlord. Okay, first of all. "Who the hell do you think I am?" was Kamina's catchphrase and that's why Konishi gets it. "WTHDYTIA" is merely a small portion of the larger "What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!", and generally the first part to be left out when it's misquoted because it's so forgettable there compared to what comes before and after it. It's really a poor-ass choice of words for Miller's caption any way you look at it. Second of all, the Shortpacked link does not, as you put it, "explain the joke". The joke doesn't need explaining if you know ANYTHING about Miller, that's why it turned meme mere moments after Willis put it up. It's there because that's where the joke originated, and the comic's funny. Just because there's a link in a caption doesn't mean it's a deliberate attempt at explaining a joke. Look around and you'll see plenty of other captions with such links within them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:17, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Ahem,
#I know both lines pretty well.
#Just because people do that a lot,doesn't mean it should be done (for example, the caption page has a list of jokes this community is sick of. An example outside this wiki would be main namespace-conversation on TV Tropes)
#I thought the captions are supposed to be a bonus for people who upload stuff?
#It would be much better if this wiki's pages policy give more comprehensive/complete advice.
[[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:23, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

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== TFsource ad buy ==

TFsource contacted me, having seen our perennial Reprolabels ad up above and wanting in on a piece of the action, wanting to permanently buy one of our other ad spots. The question I have is, would/should we restrict them from ads depicting "third-party" toys and bootlegs? Perhaps this is the ghost of BotCon hovering over me, since their Wall Of Trademark And Copyright Theft Directly Facing the Hasbro Booth is prominent in my mind, and I know a few of the editors here expressed some displeasure with that. Is that a big deal for anyone, does anyone care in this context, or should I be all "ABSOLUTELY!" and then we make a deal and rake in the dough? Can we even judge, since we have, you know, all of this scanned material and whatnot? These are the questions I present. Tell me how much they matter. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:24, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:All else being equal I'd prefer to avoid it, unless we're desperate for cash. We know some Hasbro staff look at this wiki and they've been clear in how much that stuff bugs them. Also, the more our pageviews include imagery of Fake Magnus Armor and Fake Springer and Fake Rod et al., the more we're going to have to deal with new arrivals who feel that's all kosher for inclusion in the main articles. If it's possible to get a TFSource ad that will never display a bootleg, then I'd have no problem with it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:36, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Seems like a reasonable restriction for us to make to me. My take on our scans is that one, we generally err on the side of fair use in not uploading entire pages and making sure we credit the hell out of things, and two, they're not a 100% vital part of the wiki anyway--if Hasbro told us to take every scan down tomorrow we could comply and still have a perfectly usable (just a less visually exciting) wiki. 
::That's kind of different from openly advertising toys that totally violate Hasbro's copyright, though. Even aside from the legal tangles (which is no small aside, certainly), while I know we are in that murky grey area in some things, we ''have'' always tried to play as fair as we can with Hasbro in how we operate. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:40, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree, no knockoffs in our ads if we can help it.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:44, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ditto on no knockoffs in the ads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:59, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::ALL ABOARD THE DITTO ASTROTRAIN --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:07, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::N-O on the K-Os. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, if TFSource can give us ad without IP infringing product, I say let em in. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:17, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Yikes, I'm looking at the side banner right now and it's full of IP infringing products. The one I see has Knight Morpher Commander, Crossfire Munition and Explorer and Warbot Defender. The only ACTUAL Transformers product in there is Masterpiece Ghost Starscream. I think it would be bad form to keep ads like that on the site. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:19, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ads without IP infringing material would be fine with me. [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]] 18:56, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Ugh. When they were allowed to buy the ad space, did they promise no knock-offs? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::Big NO on knockoffs, including third-party. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:51, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I am cool with them buying adspace IF they only advertise official Transformers products. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:14, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::I say YES to having the Third party stuff on here. As you can see by the continuity discussion above Hasbro don't really give a damn about Transformers fiction the way we do. The third party stuff proves that those guys have passion that many in Hasbro do not. And "knock-offs" is a bit harsh, no? So in summary, screw Hasbro and yeah Fansproject! And let's be honest if the choice as to who controls Transformers came down to a two-way battle between Hasbro and TFWiki, who would you pick? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:44, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Drmick, we're talking '''''IP infringement''''' here and we occasionally have actual Hasbro folks peek in here time to time. I think I speak for the others in that none of us wants them knocking on the wiki's doors with some form of a C&D or something that'll restrict us (save certain circumstances). We've probably toed a couple lines somewhere more than several times, and I for one, do NOT want our relationship with Hasbro to be messed up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 12:22, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::What LG said. Also, we're not talking about putting Fansproject's knockoffs on the wiki itself... just adspace for sites dedicated to selling such knockoffs. And I'm giving that idea a big fat ''hell no''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:49, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::No doubt the only reason the ad is still up is because Walky's on the road. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:38, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::What ad are you guys seeing? All I see is a Project Wonderful sidebar ad (current bidder is Unreal Books) and reprolabels permanent banner up top. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::I'm seeing a TFSource ad ABSOLUTELY FULL of pics of third-party stuff. And MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:57, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::Yeah, for some reason I'm not seeing any of that. I just see two Project Wonderful ads on the left hand side "Advertisement" sidebar, so TF Source's ad must be triggered by IP address or something. Also, if the ad is already up after only one day (or less) of community consultation, and Walky's not around to deal with administration problems relating to it (especially as there is a fear of how TF Source's wares would look to Hasbro), then that's poor planning on his part, (no offense intended, boss.) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:02, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::Weird, it's gone for me, now. Where it was I have a Project Wonderful ad displaying Akemi's Anime World. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:11, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::Still there for me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:36, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::Just tried it on another browser that I never use (in case there's some cache thing on the main browser - no change, I don't see the TF Source banner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::Project Wonderful ads are localized, guys. TFSource probably just shelled out the dough for their ad in the States only. I've never seen it up, myself. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:34, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::I'm in ''Poland'', Detour. That's on an entirely different ''continent'' than the US. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:37, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::I'm in Canada, and I have seen it. I just don't see it anymore. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:44, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::Wait, you're Polish? I had no idea. You talk gooder English than me. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:39, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::: The advert's currently only displaying in Europe. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:26, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::::: No wonder, all I see are just two Project Wonderful random ads. And I'm in Taiwan. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 05:52, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TFsource said they were willing to give us a banner that has no third-party stuff on it! Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yeh, that sounds nice to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:09, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::And it should be noted that during the time we were displaying the "offending" ad, we had not yet agreed to have an adspace bought out by TFSource. They'd just bought the ad the normal way, and as they'd been a prior bidder, they were pre-approved.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:13, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Excellent - my apologies, Walky. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:00, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
That sidebar ad with the knock-off Swindle, Springer, and HoS Optimus has started showing up for me again, in Canada if that's relevant. It had stopped showing up less than a day after I first saw it, but now it's there again. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:46, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

:Another Canadian here. Same situation as Cattleprod. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:58, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

::Me too, same ad as before, knockoffs and all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:12, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yep, knock-off ad here too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:44, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

::::On the Project Wonderful site, both the Canadian and EU traffic are seeing the version of the banner with the Munitioner upgrade sets, Knight Morpher Commander and Warbot Defender. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:24, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Now I see THE ad, too. (Taiwan, Asia) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

Welp, Californian and now I'm seeing the Munitioner set, alongside Knight Morpher and Warbot Defender with MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm in Ohio and getting Naruto vol. 48 as the ad. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 02:45, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

::TFSource's knockoffs ad is back for Canadian and European visitors. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:59, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Seeing all sorts of KOs advertised now. Can we void their contract and keep their money as a fine for breaking their agreement with us? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:02, 15 July 2010 (EDT)PS- since when is NC in Europe/Canada?

:::Welp, [http://img535.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead01.jpg/ this] [http://img693.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead02.jpg/ I certainly] [http://img14.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead03.jpg/ agree]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:05, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Same here, and I'm American. I'm only sort of mentioning this because they let someone steal my credit card. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 22:50, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::As mentioned, we haven't actually committed to any deal yet with them, and any ads you see are them going through the standard Project Wonderful process. They've bought ads with us before, and thus as long as they have the high bid, they're pre-approved. They're going to have the proposed first-party-products-only ad to submit to Walky sometime next week.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:11, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

====Guys====
There is no "contract" to "void." Their permanent ad buy hasn't STARTED. They've been advertising with those particular ads for months. You've just finally noticed them because I brought them up. We haven't even discussed what the ad space will cost them since I've been busy and they said they won't have a new ad for us for about a week anyway. So, like, chill out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:31, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:For months? Huh... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:21, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

====And it's done====
TFsource owns our skyscraper until whenever they don't want to anymore. It's all official stuff, so everyone happy? (Yay!) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:Can we please somehow code it to say "This ad comes with a 100% chance of not causing us headaches" beneath the ad? (Nah, not really.)
:Also, I'm happy. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

:Looks awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:That looks great! Nice and slick-looking. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:55, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Simon Furman's IDW pitch ==

So here's a thing. The following text is Simon Furman's original pitch for Transformers comics when IDW took up the license, printed in the back of the "Best of Simon Furman" hardback collection. I skimmed this a few years back when the book was released and it passed under my nose at work, but since then, we've never had any of the info on the wiki, and I've never seen any discussion of it on any forums - presumably because none of us actually BOUGHT the dang thing, since we own all these stories in multiple formats already. I borrowed the book and transcribed the pitch so that anyone interested can read it, and we can maybe actually do something with the info. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:01, 8 July 2010 (EDT)
:Hmm. I've never seen this before. It's pretty interesting that Furman was itching to do Cybertron , which is weird, because by the time IDW was announced as the new comic licensee, Cybertron had started. Would take awhile to get a Cybertron comic up and running, I would think. By the time it came out, it might be already too late. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:58, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::It wouldn't surprise me if that's why it was modified so much. But, um, should we be duplicating this sort of material here? I mean, sure, The Best of Simon Furman wasn't the most popular book, but isn't this just copyright infringement? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 03:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, that was on my mind as I was transcribing it. I don't really intend to permanently house this anywhere - I just wanted to get it up so people could get a look, take in the info, maybe do something wiki-related with it, then I'd scrub it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TRANSFORMERS… A NEW DIRECTION

A Proposal For IDW

--Simon Furman--

In the (Armada/Energon) Cybertron timeline…

…UNICRON IS DESTROYED, utterly wiped out of existence by a seismic shock warhead detonated deep within its superstructure (events which would be visited retroactively in any subsequent ‘Energon’ conclusion issues).

But as one threat to Cybertron ends, another has only just begun. A rift in time and space – a massive ‘chronal’ black hole formed by the annihilation of Unicron – is threatening to suck Cybertron in, tear it apart in an internal maelstrom of deconstructed space and time. Only by anchoring the planet, via a spacebridge, to Earth’s energon core can Cybertron maintain its tenuous position, but it’s at best a quick fix. To seal the rift, they need the power of PRIMUS, the progenitor of the entire TRANSFORMERS race. But while a fragment of the dormant Primus lifeforce exists within Cybertron, the rest is lost, scattered throughout the universe, buried deep within strange, alien worlds.

Roused (from eons of chronal stasis in a dimension outside of normal space and time) by the impending cataclysm, the immortal sentinel known as Vector Prime spearheads the search for the Primus lifeforce, guiding Optimus Prime and his Autobots on a quest that will take them to aliens worlds in the farthest corners of the galaxy and beyond. But where Prime and the Autobots go… Megatron and the Decepticons are never far behind.

Clad in the armor of Unicron, fuelled by a fragment of his Spark, Megatron has become a true agent of chaos. He’s prepared to sacrifice Cybertron, Earth and any other world in order to contain and absorb the lifeforce of Primus himself, his ultimate aim to transform himself… into a living god!

And the ‘Cybertron’ timeline is not the only one to feel the effects of the destruction of Unicron. In fact… it’s one of the lucky ones.

<<In all the disparate timelines, all the myriad dimensions, there is but one Unicron. Though physical presence is limited to a single reality at any given time, it exists simultaneously in countless dimensions, shadows of its vast, ancient consciousness inextricably interwoven into the complex geometry of time and space. Its destruction in the Cybertron timeline creates ripples, which become shockwaves, which gather force, become a tidal wave of destruction. In some realities, the effect of the ‘chaos wave’ is total, instantaneous, entire timelines… wiped out. In others, the initial effect is less pronounced, a dramatic event heralding a slow descent into space/time anarchy.>>

In the G1 timeline…

…CYBERTRON IS DESTROYED! The resident Autobots and Decepticons barely have time to evacuate the planet, to eject the core of the planet and it’s precious Vector Sigma cargo (an eventuality made feasible way back when [in The War Within v3]) before the planet is torn apart, smashed into component molecules by the roiling chaos wave. Many Cybertronians don’t make it at all, and are simply wiped out. In a shockingly short time, Cybertron is gone. Forever.

Shocked, stunned, bereft of their homeworld, the remaining populous finds itself spread far and wide throughout the galaxy, seeking (in the Autobots’ case) safe harbor or (in the Decepticons’ case) new worlds to conquer… and colonise. Megatron’s Decepticons have perfecting ‘mechaforming’ technology, invasive, self-replicating machinery designed to restructure the entire geological substructure of a planet, in effect turn it into a new Cybertron. And since the Decepticons are indifferent to the presence or fate of any indigenous civilizations on the planet(s) of choice, it’s down to the Autobots to stop them… at any cost.

Earth, always a pivotal world in the G1 timeline, becomes even more of a focal battleground. Its natural resources are a potent brew that – with the right exploitation and manipulation – can be turned into energon, the lifeblood of the Transformer race. In Decepticon hands the whole world would be turned into a vast refinery, bled dry to fuel the creation of the ‘new’ Cybertron.

And Optimus Prime has an even more pressing concern. Contacted by Vector Prime (who can move within all remaining TF timelines), he is warned that the omniversal geometry is critically out of alignment. The removal of – for want of a better word – ‘evil’ has disturbed an age-old natural balance. Though it goes against every Autobot credo, they must somehow resurrect the dark force known, among other things, as Unicron! The key is the so-called ‘Decepticon Matrix’, a quasi-mythical power source spread throughout the galaxy. Said to be fragments of Unicron itself, released in some apocalyptic confrontation with Primus before the dawn of time, its retrieval and coalescence could restore the balance and dissipate the chaos wave.

Reluctantly, with grave reservations (and considerable dissent in the Autobot ranks) Prime forges an uneasy alliance with two of Unicron’s heralds, Cylonus and Scourge, both of whom are dedicated to the rebirth of their master (for different reasons). But, unknown to Prime, they have a secondary agenda, a plan to use a fragment of the Decepticon Matrix to destroy Megatron… and recreate him as the unstoppable force known as Galvatron!

<<And so, in one timeline, the Autobots seek to make Primus whole once more, while in another, they seek to resurrect the spirit of Unicron, leading ultimately to the new, universe-shaking confrontation between the two ancient forces… one that will (briefly) unite all remaining TRANSFORMERS timelines and continuities in an epic battle for survival.>>

CYBERTRON #0 (AND ONGOING)/G1 #0 (AND ONGOING)

Amidst the larger framework of the ‘chaos wave’ saga, the ongoing thrust of Cybertron is a focused series of one or two-part (largely self-contained, featuring different character assortments) adventures set on Cybertron, Earth and the key planets (Speed, Beast and Giant) that support its core quest… the search for the lifeforce of Primus. At every turn, the Autobots are confounded and frustrated by the Decepticons, but in the process forge new alliances and friendships, both on Earth and beyond. It’s a race against time… with the fate of Cybertron (and more) hanging in the balance.

The G1 title expands the scope and reach of the line, exploring wider character/conflict story arcs (while pulling in much more fan-friendly past and future continuity) and dramatically shaking the whole TRANSFORMERS mythos to its core, streamlining and redefining the sometimes confusing mass of ‘alternate’ timelines. But as with Cybertron, the focus will shift to different groups of Autobots/Decepticons on different worlds, faced with differing agendas and challenges.

The issue #0s will be mirror-images of each other, both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an omniverse in chaos, threatened on all fronts. His narrative will serve to encapsulate what has gone before while his actions introduce the primary cast and lay the groundwork for what is to come.

===Noticed something===

{{quote|both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an '''omniverse''' in chaos}}

Some use of the word [[omniverse]]. Wow. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:16, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

===Added it in somewheres===
I've added references to that thing at [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] and [[Cybertron (franchise)]]. Did I do it right? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:21, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

== Usernames ==

Our latest user [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] has what I consider to be a somewhat inflammatory username considering the how many arguments ensue regarding the live-action movies. It's probable that you would have difficulty registering on a forum with such a username. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:I was thinking the same thing. We blocked some guy from registering such a name referencing Detour, why should we allow such statements against Bay? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:09, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, I also thought his name was inappropriate. I don't think personal threats would be acceptable here, particularly about such a controversial figure in Transformers fandom. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::On Wookieepedia we routinely block people for having inappropriate names. I see no reason why we shouldn't have a similar policy here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:19, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::How he creates a new account and the old one is blocked? Some of his edits aren't too bad; I don't see why he shouldn't get a second chance. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:21, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Block the old account, post a nice note explaining that we want him to stay and continue working but that he cannot use a name that is attacking/insulting any person. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:32, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::I am in support of this, but he should be informed via his talkpage for one full day prior to the block, for the sake of not being too harsh. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:04, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I fully agree with Detour. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:18, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Now we just need to find an actual admin. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:12, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::And set the thing right. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:47, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::Well, he ignored Abates. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:52, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::I was [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] but then I kinda stop using it because some mind find it offensive. So I am sorry for my inflammatory username. --[[User:HeyTFWiki|HeyTFWiki]] 05:17, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Official sources policy ==

Recently, some of us have been explaining to a user why video from a cellphone camera of the movie set cannot be taken as official sources. I was going to link to the official sources page when I realized that I do not know what it's called and cannot find it. Which brings me to this point: we actually took the time to write out and codify our what we consider to be official sources, right? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:It's at [[Help:Official info]]. And next time, somebody should probably just place the <nowiki>{{scoop bastard}}</nowiki> template. (I was going to but couldn't find a good chance.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

== Disgusting ad ==
Sorry if I'm posting this at the wrong place, but is there anywhere we can complain about the ads on the wiki? Not to overstep my (very modest) bounds here or anything, but that ad with the GIANT PIMPLE on the back of the guy's neck is really off-putting... You've probably all seen it by now right? I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks this... Call me squeamish if you will, but it's really bothering me... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm with this 100%. I'm so glad I haven't eaten a thing all day, because I'd have lost my breakfast and my lunch by now. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:49, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't mind so much if it would only pop up occassionally (then again, my gross tolerance is relatively high). But to be confronted with the world's largest zit every page I go on this wiki... Rather not. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:55, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I checked the PW sites - must have been outbid so I missed it. What the heck was it for? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:37, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::::It was for a website ''about the world's largest pimple!'' It was [http://www.worldslargestzit.net this] I believe. SO not missing that ad. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:19, 16 July 2010 (EDT)

==Disamb template on calendar pages?==
So while fiddling around with the latest additions to our "day in history" pages, I got to thinking. Separating bullets with a blank line adds to our pages' sizes because that adds a "list start/stop" in the coding, yes? 
Well... does the <nowiki>{{disamb}}</nowiki> Template do that when we split that up with a blank line between them? The only real difference we ''see'' on the page is a "—" instead of a ":" after the bolded year. I fiddled with it a bit (without saving) and it looks good to me; I'll probably do up a Sandbox. If using this template doesn't add to the page size in the back-end that we don't see in the normal edit window... it sure would make it easier to read in said edit window, plus give the lists that litlte extra space between lines for readability on the normal pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:45, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yes, putting spaces between {{tl|disamb}} also causes the problem whereby each item is in its own list. We can space out the more compact lists on the normal pages using css, but I don't think there's any way to space them out on the edit window due to the way MediaWiki parses stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:43, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well, that's goddamn irksome. It's too easy to get lost in a mass of unbroken text in the edit window. but if we can add jsut a little space between items in the final result, I'll be happy. Though this does beg the question of whether we should move over to using the disamb template anyway for calendars. Probably ought to be going over our disambiguation pages and bringing them up to code anyway (well, where dates are applicable). At the very least, I'm liking the use of em-dashes instead of colons. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:23, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

==TF Wiki Firefox Search Engine Add-On==
I'm surprised that one wasn't created a long time ago. It would make things incredibly convenient, and it can't be that hard to make. Anyone else like the idea? Anyone here have experience?
--[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:27, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Please elaborate. What function exactly would such an add-on serve? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:32, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::None. You can add the wiki to the search engines list without messing with addons. Just go to a page on the wiki, and click on the down arrow in Firefox's search box. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:38, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Wow, I must be blind. Thanks guys. There should be something on the home page encouraging visitors to do just that. Might help with traffic. --[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:50, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

== In regards to expo 86. ==

Hey, Editor from Seibertron.com here. The front page list a request about "Information on the Transformers presentation at Vancouver's Expo '86".

I was about 11 then but I spent a lot of time at Expo during that summer. I don't remember any presentations per say, but I do remember that Hasbro (or at least Hasbro Canada) did have a presence. Namely they had 3-4 outdoor kiosks located around the fair, these were freestanding units with each one branded with one of four Hasbro properties, I clearly remember one being for Transformers and another for My Little Pony, the other(s) escape me at the moment but I am fairly certain that GIJoe wasn't there, and one could have been a generic Hasbro one. Additionally, one proper store was set up more for kids goods in the Red Zone near the Land Plaza and UFOH2O, that stocked the same items.

Due to the size of the units a good amount of available items were blister packs mainly Scamble City units. Boxed TF's were available but in smaller amounts (For some reason I want to say a good number of Wreck-gars and Gnaws were there) Sadly due to the location everything was more expensive than they could be found for at local stores. What was cool is that each of the kiosks regardless of how they were branded had a bit of everything, and they occasionally had loose pieces on hand. (I do remember playing with a Swindle at the actual TF Kiosk.

Don't know if that really helps but hopefully it did. Feel free to contact me thru Seibs if you have any questions.

:Hmm, that's interesting, though, it being your memories from about 24 years ago, I'm not sure how "article information"-worthy it is. Would you happen to have any photos taken of the event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:25, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

::Not in my personal collection, but since writing the above I have been looking thru some online records of the fair to see if I can spot those kiosks. If I remember correctly where a couple were I might be able locate some. If I can find them I'll post here.

:::In our anon's defense, I offer the following taken from a story titled "Expo '86 a hit at luring firms through turnstiles" written by Jennifer Hunter, and published in the May 1st, 1986 edition of ''The Globe and Post'':
::::Expo is offering corporate exclusivity; there was already a soft-drink manufacturer, a car maker and a bank, but no toy company. Hasbro - with 1985 sales of $1.2-billion (U.S.) and profit of $99-million - is one of the largest toy manufacturers in North America and seemed a likely candidate to fork over dollars for a world's fair.

::::Mr. Hassenfeld and his brother Stephan could not resist the Expo slogan - Invite the World. A global showcase for Hasbro toys was too good an offer to turn down. So the Hassenfeld brothers delivered a cheque for $2-million (Canadian) to sponsor the Expo Centre geodesic dome. In return, Hasbro toys will be sold on the fair site.

::::"Bringing the name Hasbro before the public is the major reason we are participating," Mr. Hassenfeld said.

:::So it looks like his memories are probably accurate. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:22, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Hopefully '''''whomever asked for this information in the first place''''' will pop in and comment. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:53, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Titan Magazines ==

Is there a reason why none of the Titan Movie comics pages have Featured Character boxes? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:It is highly possible that the pages (or at least the sections) are still under working. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:52, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

::They seem pretty complete other than the featured character lists. Not sure what's up with that! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:26, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:::*makes note to add Featured Character boxes to as many Titan Movie comics pages as possible sometime in the near future* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:53, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== No Hasbro Q and A? ==

Just wondering: Are we not participating in the Hasbro QandA's any more? We apparently didn't submit anything to the last one (along with a lot of other places weirdly, did Hasbro trim the list of who could ask or something?). Anyway, according to the Allspark the next set of questions are due Aug 9th, just wanted to see if anyone knew what was up? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:30, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
: We didn't send in questions because they were due during BotCon and we messed up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well it's kinda understandable. We were hardly the only ones to miss it, given the slim list of sites with questions for July. Anyway, we'll have question solicitation for August open soon then? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:45, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== An article on racing ==

Not sure if this is exactly the right place to ask this, but...

Would an article on [[racing]] be appropriate for the wiki? Races do seem to crop up a lot in TF fiction. Off the top of my head, I can think of the [[Trans-Europe Express]] (G1), the race series where [[Road King]] was found (Masterforce), the nutty race where everyone tried to lure out [[Skid-Z (RID)|Skid-Z]] (RID), the one the Autobots had after Inferno died (Energon), [[Velocitron]]'s entire culture (Cybertron), and [[Street Demon]] (Animated).

Aye or nay? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 13:23, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
: If there's enough races, perhaps a category would suffice? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::Might I suggest [[Cybertronian_sport#Races|here]] as a starting point.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:37, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Didn't know about that page. Yeah, that's more appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:52, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Fan translated manga images. ==

I noticed quite a few images of manga that have fan translations in the word bubbles. It the wiki cool with that? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:55, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Well, I for one don't mind, because it lets me understand what's going on... it's official media, just translated by fans. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:58, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::If the person uploading it can vouch for the accuracy of the translation, then I have no problem with it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:04, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Movie 1 characters vs drones ==

Am I alone in thinking maybe we should split up pages like [[Longarm (Movie)]] and [[Swindle (Movie)]] into pages that cover the individual characters and the drones in their likeness separately? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:56, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:I'd agree with that. I thought we had already done that for some of them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:36, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree with the splitting if possible. Since individual characters are much different from drones. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:20, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Split 'em. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:33, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Reissues and rereleases ==

Which reissues deserve to be listed separately from their original release? For some reason, reissues of G1 toys have been listed separately on some pages but not on others. I think [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s toy page mentions aimsing to list all reissues separately. The 2010 [[Piranacon]] reissue is listed separately, but not the 2010 [[Predaking]]. Also, the toys rereleased in [[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] are listed separately on the character pages even though they're ''completely'' unchanged, unlike some reissues of G1 figures. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:35, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:I think part of that is simply older pages not having been updated since the decision was made to separate reissues (At least I'm pretty sure we are aiming to keep them separate). Newer reissues, like the Predaking, have probably been handled in the way the poster in question had seen such things done on other pages, leading to continuing inconsistency. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:58, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
::So, the current standard is to list releases separately? Is that on any help or policy page? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:12, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Wikia ==

Thank god we jumped ship when we did, because Wikia is planning on switching to a new skin.

[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia Preview]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:43, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

:They must have switched already? Because every single Wikia site is completely effed up in IE7 now. --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 18:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::No, they haven't. They're having technical problems with the server they use for css and images. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:12, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

== Explicitly Saying Characters Are Similar To Earlier Characters Of Same Name ==

On the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] talk page, [[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] is saying that characters that are homages to earlier characters of the same name need to have this pointed out, in something like the form "Blackarachnia (Animated) is based on the original Blackarachnia (BW), who first appeared in the Beast Wars franchise."
* Is this a good idea, as it will help people who are new to Transformers learn about the history of the brand?
* Is it unnecessary to point out that characters are similar to earlier characters of the same name, since it's very common, and would involve altering lots of pages?
* Other?
[[User:JW|JW]] 19:18, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:Blackarachnia (Animated) has a lot of similarities and also a lot of differences with Blackarachnia (BW). I don't think I'd go so far as to say she was "based on" Blackarachnia (BW). Swindle (Animated), on the other hand, is a direct transplant of Swindle (G1). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:47, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

::It may seem like a total DUH kind of thing to all the long-time TF fans who inhabit this place, but for our readers, such information seems totally relevant and useful. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:05, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::There's a friggin' disambig right up top in a separated box for... all the charcaters who have the same name! Wow! And we're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of pages where we'd have to do this. It's not quite "This is a picture of Megatron" level DUH, but it's in the ballpark. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:53, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I honestly don't understand what the disambigs have to do with this. The only information they are there to convey is "there are other characters with this name, go to this separate page for a list." They don't in any way tell you "this character who's article you're reading now was based on this other one." Especially since many characters who share the name don't actually have any other relationship to each other. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:15, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Characters with the same name as each other within the same brand are expected to be similar (if not identical) to each other, with older ones serving as inspiration for later ones. If characters of the same name are not similar would seem to be more notable than if they are similar. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:09, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::The Prowls, Scavengers, Razorclaws, and Bonecrushers tend to have very little to do with one another. Note that the main page for the Animated franchise points out that so many of the characters are clear homages to their earlier-series namesakes too. Since it has been over 10 years since the first Blackarachnia did anything, I don't see the harm in putting a one-liner at the top of BA-Animated's "Notes" section saying she's totally based on the first one. Kil is right--it wouldn't be "just so obvious" to a 14-year-old who was brought in by the movies and Animated. To a newcomer, why would it be especially obvious that Animated Ironhide and Blitzwing are based on namesakes from Cold War-era cartoons they never saw? Where's the harm in just one line? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:29, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I have to agree that it's not going to be obvious to someone coming in from the Movie or Animated, or even the Unicron Trilogy that many of the homages are homages. Especially Ratchet, given the drastically different color scheme Movie Ratchet (Rescue Ratchet toys notwithstanding) has compared to the others. I admit, it might seem a litte weird to make what seems to us to be such an obvious note on so many pages but if our goal is to make this Wiki accessible and informative to fans of all levels then I think it's necessary to do so.
::::::And for BA's case, I think it additionally warrants mentioning Binaltech Blackwidow as a direct inspiration. Because even though most of the design cues come originally from her first and TM2 incarnations, I don't think you get to Animated BA with the combination of attributes (and the black gloves) without going through the Binaltech version first. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:06, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I feel it's necessary to point out that a newcomer is probably not going to get to the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] page without passing through [[Blackarachnia (disambiguation)]] first. So, they're gonna be made aware of the Beast Wars character. (Sure, they might get there through other means, but it's not the most likely route.)
::::::However, if the consensus is leaning toward allowing notes of the form "Foo is based on Foo of same name," how do we decide which characters need it? Just from Animated, here's all the characters who visually homage previous characters of the same name: Arcee, Big Bang Prime, Blackarachnia, Blackout, Blitzwing, Blurr, Botanica, Brawn, Bumblebee, Bumper, Cliffjumper, Cosmos, Cyclonus, Dai Atlas, Devcon, Flip Sides, Grimlock, Highbrow, Hot Shot, Hot Spot Major, Impactor Major, Ironhide, Jazz, Laserbeak, Longrack Major, Mainframe, Mixmaster, Octus, Omega Supreme, Omega SPREEM, Optimus Prime, Perceptor, Powerglide, Primal Major, Railspike Major, Ratbat, Ratchet, Reflector, Rodimus Prime, Rosanna, Seaspray, Silverbolt Major, Sky-Byte, Soundwave, Spittor, Springer, Starscream (Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ramjet, Dirge, Thrust, Sunstorm), Steeljaw, Straxus, Strika, Swindle, Swoop, Tracks, Warpath, Wheeljack, Zaur. (I left out the Witwickys and some of the Bumblebee-clones.) Do we add that note to ''all'' of them? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:49, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
In the absence of any strong support either way on this issue, I'm going to assume our current implicit policy holds: When a new character is based on an old character of the same name, explictly pointing it out is neither required nor prohibited. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:14, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity note ==

Which articles don't need one. [[Vector Prime]] doesn't but [[Nexus Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion (Prime)]] ''do''. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:42, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:...what? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:32, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::He means as multiversal singularities the One, Primus, Unicron, Prima, Fallen and Vector don't have continuity notes at the top indicating which franchise they're from. Nexus is just an interesting case, and frankly all the Alpha Trions should be merged. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:43, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: So, any of 'em need removing? (Also, when did I ever admitmy gender either way?) [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:11, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::How about we wait until we have more information before dealing with any of this? I swear. We know so very little about how this new continuity family works with (or doesn't) what's come before, and sweeping changes like merging Alpha Trions may end up being messily reverted. How about we hold the hell off until we learn more. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:21, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::What about [[Nexus Prime]]'s article? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:31, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::What's '''wrong''' with it? Seriously? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:I'm asking about the need for a continuity identifier,which, as pointed out above is absent in some [[multiversal singularity|similar]] articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:18, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:: Those guys aren't made out of other guys. I am wondering very hard why this is an issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: I just want to know how things are supposed to be done so I could do said things properly. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:46, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

== Malware warning ==

I just got a malware warning when I tried to load the page, seemingly resulting from the css file included from [[User:Derik|Derik]]'s site emopanda. I'm taking the call to that script out of common.css until we can get it sorted. Most of the css is also in a local file that's already being included anyway, so hopefully nothing should break. The malware warning refers me to [http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://emopanda.com/&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US this page]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:15, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some Wikipedia user ==

From [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NotARealWord&oldid=381724818 my Wikipedia talk page]
{{note|Yes, I have different usernames on different wikis.}}

{{quote|I take it you don't know the TFWiki very well. It's server is run by [[David Willis|a guy]] who blocked Wikipedia Transformers editors from it He has publically stated that he started that server to have a place away from Wikipedia to make his articles. Anyone who edits in a proper Wikipedia style with limiting things to notable topics with reliable sources (which is me, by his standards) gets reverted and blocked|
User:Mathewignash|
}}

Okay, User:Mathewignash seems to be responsible for a lot of the TF fancruft on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Transformers Wikipedia]. Also has been trying to "save" articles nominated for deletion due to lack of notability. Makes me wonder:
* Is this person somebody the admins here are familiar with?
* How do I respond to that statement against TFWiki? Considering I was pretty welcomed here when I started. Should I point out the users who regularly use ''both'' sites?
* Is there some small corner of the [[fandom]] that likes buttloads of fancruft-y TF articles, but have something against using TFWiki?
* Is this person anything to do with the people asking TFWiki to be more like [[Wikipedia]], despite how its rules are '''very''' unsuitable for a TF-specific wiki? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:[[User:Primal Rage]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:53, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yes, the community here is very familiar with Mr. Ignash. He and Walky have a long history of feuding. Walky has stated that he came here to escape Ignash in particular, not wikipedia editors in general. In the few times I've run across Ignash he seems rather jerky, virtually everyone here seems welcoming to me. Don't know about point three. Not sure if Ignash has connections to any of the various people who don't like the wiki's tone, but your point about wikipedia being a bad model for a TF specific site is a good one. While we do strive for proper citations here, "notability" is not a valid criterion for this site. Few TF characters/concepts are truly notable in a real world sense. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:56, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::Thank you, I try to treat wikis differently since they have different purposes. What about the questions in bullet-point number two? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:01, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Your suggestion of mentioning people on both sites is a good idea, I edit on wikipedia under the same alias but much less frequently and even less substantially. Don't know about anyone else. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:07, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::I do. Rarely and with a different name, but I do. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:13, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Ignash is not worth responding to. Let him play in his turd-filled sandbox. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:21, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Correction. Nobody who thinks that Wikipedia is better than TFWiki is worth responding to. I have learned this the hard way. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:31, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::What about that bit about a small corner of the fandom? User:Dream Focus seems to also fit that description. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:43, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::Yes, there is a small corner of the fandom that likes the Wikipedia-style TF articles. However, I would like to know is where the hell you are getting this stuff about Dream Focus fitting that description. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::::To Item42, read the archives on Matthewignash's user talk page at wikipedia. The man can't even follow the rules that he exhorts as superior to ours. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:49, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Please, do point the above out to him. I'd do it myself but they blocked my IP because I decided that Wikipedia was a piece of crap and went on a massive, 40-account vandalism rampage. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:04, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::From what I can tell, Dream Focus is just against deletion of Wikipedia articles under non-notability, and may not be active in Transformers fandom. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:20, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:The issue, simply, is not with "other Wikipedia users" - it is with Ignash himself. There is a ''reason'' the Transformers articles on Wikipedia are such a jumbled mess of copy-pasted partially-overly-detailed summaries, gross generalizations and list after list of Optimus Prime's appearances in ''Family Guy'' and ''Robot Chicken'' that lack any kind of consistency between each other and he is mainly it. Nearly everyone who ever tried to edit constructively there came here because he never compromises on his stupid, stupid way of organizing an article, and we neither want nor require his presence here. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::It reminds me that I moved to Wikia (long before the Exodus) as soon as I found the TFwiki, and soon after that, I left Wikipedia(TF-related) as soon as I found TFwiki has more strict rules than Wikipedia does in some way (for example, we won't see any leak or unofficial information in TFwiki). (And yes, I can't stand some users on Wikipedia.) Plus, I feel Wikipedia is more harsh on fictional-related articles sometimes. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:41, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Once again, correction. It doesn't really matter what the subject is, it just matters if someone has an axe to grind and if there's an admin who is willing to completely ignore common sense so that the people holding the axes can come out on top. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:19, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Well, now it looks like Ignash can't always [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Transformers/Proposed_centralized_transformers_discussion come out on top]. Seems mostly him and Dream Focus trying to stop the article deletions. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:15, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

I think most of us at some point or other already came to the conclusion that Wikipedia was never going to have in-depth Transformers coverage. I'm pretty at-peace with that, because it was never realistic to think that they'd ever do it in the granularity that a dedicated wiki like this place can afford to do. Ignash came over here at one point, and I more or less went to bat for him, which I realize in retrospect was a mistake. The guy's very set in his ways, and he's poison to collaborative projects.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:37, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

:A general purpose encyclopedia (Wikipedia) cannot and should not have the same depth of coverage as dedicated references (tfwiki). Just as you wouldn't expect articles on every minor Shakespearean character on Wikipedia, you shouldn't expect every minor TF to have an article there. As far as going to bat for Ignash, I actually agreed with you standing up for him. Everyone deserves a chance to contribute. The problem was that he didn't want to contribute and collaborate and work within the guidelines here, because of that he is banned. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

::[[Wikipedia]] has just '''way''' too much TF fancruft. The big-time deletion "campaign" going on right now should be able to fix ''some'' of that. Hopefully. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:12, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

:::Dream Focus [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dream_Focus is on Wikia]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:19, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

===Wikipedia's TF Project===
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers|Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers]] 666 articles. Heh [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:26, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

== Dimension-hopping ==

Should that get an article? The "Fiction" sections on [[continuity]] and [[multiverse]] seem mainly about that. Comparing those sections, it seems they're somewhat... redundant. Maybe a separate article about dimension-hopping would be better. Maybe the article should also cover characters moving within the same [[continuity family]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:34, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:The "multiverse" really only appears in fiction when dimension-hopping is involved, so that's why the fiction section is all about dimension hopping. "Continuity" probably doesn't need a fiction section since it is pretty much a wiki thing explaining how the wiki is organized. You are right that we should talk about dimension-hopping in the same continuity. There is a mini-multiverse in the G1 cartoon episode [[Madman's Paradise]] that should be commented on. How does [[Menonia]] relate to the [[multiverse]]? That's a good question. I think that can be explored on the "multiverse" page though. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:53, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Would it be okay if I (or anybody else) removes the "fiction" section of "[[continuity]]" and puts up that information in "[[multiverse]]"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== User admonition templates ==

Is there a list of the various templates that can be placed on a user page to give them advice (editing tips, spelling, no scoops, no fanon, etc)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:27, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[:Category:User notice templates]]. There are some in there that rarely get used! --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:32, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks, NCZ. I could not remember the "correct english" one and couldn't find a page that had one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:58, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Can anyone explain to me why categories that apply to specific toys are put on the general article for the character that toy represents and not on the image of the particular toy? Why not put the category tags on the picture's own page? For example, [[Starscream (Movie)]] is not actually a Kmart exclusive, the Nebular Starscream toy is. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:33, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== Links that overexplain jokes ==

I got reverted on [[Soundwave (ROTF)]] because apparently, adding links to explain captions ruins them. (I didn't remove or change the joke, just added the links. )Should that be on the official caption policy? . Although, I'm rather concerned that more casual readers might not understand references (like "[[JaAm|hump that tank]]" for example), and I don't intend to confuse people. So really, is it so bad to explain jokes (through wikilinks) for the sake of people with little TF knowledge? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:08, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:Well, y'know what they say - "If you have to ''explain'' a joke, there ''is'' no joke." Personally, I've always loathed joke-explaining word-linking, especially when it's to something off-site. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:30, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::Personally, I think that adding those links introduce casual wiki-readers to more TF stuff, and that content should be written with more clueless readers in mind. Although, if it's just ''that bad'', maybe it should be mentioned on the policy page. It's easier to avoid doing things when you know you should. Also, what about on-site linking, like potholing "hump that tank" to [[jaAm]]? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:50, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
Anyway, can I (or anyone else) do at least a ''little bit'' of on-site caption linking?[[User:Item42|Item42]] 18:19, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:43, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Then can someone please put that up on [[Transformers Wiki:Caption]] so that people can be sure that's what the community as a whole wants, and not just the two people who responded here? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:55, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

== Next Hasbro Q&A Questions due Mon! ==

According to the Allspark the next round of Hasbro Q&A questions are due 1 week from today (Sept 13). I know we havn't even recieved the last set of answers back yet. But shouldn't we set up a page to take question submissions for next Mon. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:33, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

:Hey, how come we haven't gotten answers from the [[Hasbro Q&A/August 2010: Question submission|most recent one]] yet? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 17:20, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

::Because Hasbro's a busy place and they haven't had a chance to get them back to us yet. They're usually a week or two behind their estimated return date, nothing new there. This IS the first time I can recall where the next questions might be due before the last set of answers appears though. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== RFC Wiki Spotlight ==

What-ho. If any wiki contributors happen to be listeners of [http://www.tfradio.net Radio Free Cybertron], you may have noticed that I've started doing a small spot on the show called the "Wiki Spotlight", highlighting an interesting article each week and drawing attention to it. Thus far I've just done our featured articles of the last two months, but I figured I'd open up the floor to any and all random suggestions as to what articles - big or small, well-known or obscure - deserve a mention. Speak up! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:07, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[Angry Archer]] and [[Thor]]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:48, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::[[Sky-Byte (RID)]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:::[[Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III]]! -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:56, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::::[[Shockwave (G1)]] looks pretty good to me. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:38, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::[[Wheelie (G1)]], [[Scale]] and [[B.O.T. (episode)]] might be fun to feature. Can I also suggest that a link to the article mentioned be placed on the tfradio.net post accompanying the podcast, because it'll be easier for the listeners. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:48, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

A while back I tried to edit the [[fandom]] page to mention the Podcasts around at the time (TFWIRE, WTF@TFW and the joke that was the Tformers podcast at that time. But TPTB wiped the whole lot! That was a pretty big "Screw you!" to the podcasts. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 15:21, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

== Toy patents ==

User: Sarujo at Wikipedia posted a list of TF related patents. I have put them in [[User: Khajidha/sandbox|my sandbox]]. I've found and corrected a few errors/misidentifications already. Is this material useful or was it all already known? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:30, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:Interesting stuff. Do you mind if I go through the unknowns and put names on the ones I can identify? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:35, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Feel free, that's why I posted the link. I won't have time today to give it the thorough going over it deserves. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:39, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Thanks. And that, as they say, is that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:22, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::They still need to be resorted. Warpath wasn't a Microman mold and it would probably be useful to have the Scramble City molds separated. Beyond that, I don't know. I don't want to get it so sorted that it becomes LESS useful. If nothing else, I figured the notes about inventors/designers might be data otherwise hard to come by. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:32, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Anyone willing to go trolling through patent listings? We seem to be missing those for several members of various combiner teams. Perhaps they can be found by cross referencing those we do have? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:54, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::The designer data ALONE makes these worthwhile. That's awesome information. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:28, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I've conveyed our thanks to Sarujo over at Wikipedia. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:18, 13 September 2010 (EDT)

== Photos of toys ==
I found [[Wikipedia:Template:Non-free 3D art|this]] bit about copyright law.
*Does that mean ''every'' photo of an official TF figure needs a note like "character and toy design under copyright by [[HasTak]]"?
*Should this site also make a template like that?
*Would this be a good reason/excuse to copy photos from other fansites since ''your own photos'' (and anyone else's) would still have to go under fair use?
-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:47, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
: I think that specifically applies to non-US countries, particularly IIRC Germany (Nevermore, confirm/deny?). As the Wiki is hosted in the US it isn't really relevant... yet? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, the Wikipedia template in that link says:
{{quote|This is a two-dimensional representation of a copyrighted sculpture, statue or any other three-dimensional work of art. As such it is a derivative work of art, and per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106 US Copyright Act of 1976, § 106(2)] whoever holds copyright of the original has the exclusive right to authorize derivative works. 

Per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 § 107] it is believed that reproduction for criticism, comment, teaching and scholarship constitutes fair use and does not infringe copyright.}}
So it ''is'' US-relevant. Although, looking at the [[Wikipedia:Template talk:Non-free 3D art#totallydisputed|talk page]], it seems that said law(s) might not be something to take seriously. So, no stealing toy photos? If not, can I try to get the clearly stolen ones (like one section of [[:Image:20thAnniversary OptimusPrimesm.jpg|this]]) replaced? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:44, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:IIRC the law in question came up during (of all things) Batman Forever, when a copyrighted piece of industrial statue donated to a city as used as a shooting location in the film, got integrated into the sets, showed up on t-shirts and promotional cups, etc... the studio ended up paying millions in damages.
:Generally when I (rarely) take toy photos, I note that the '''photo''' is released to the public domain but ''Character likeness is {{c}} Hasbro 20XX'', making it clear that the ''photo'' is free, but its subject may not be. (Making a sculpture based on the photo would, obviously, present copyright issues.) Character likeness, IMO, seems like a better phrase to use than design since with multiple toys over decades, that's really what's being protected here-- not the transformation schema of mold D-22B.
:Part of what it means is that virtually '''no''' images on the wiki are eligible for "Copyleft," the status of absolute-public-domain with no entailment or restrictions. (This is not unique. A photo of your own family with a Coke ad in the background isn't eligible for Copyleft either.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:04, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::Derik, how do you release something in public domain if you can't release it under copyleft? Also, does this mean that it's okay to steal toy photos? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:04, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

== Galvatron ==
So in [http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2010/09/14/hasbro-transformers-qa-august-2010-answers/ ASM's Q&A response], Hasbro pretty much officially says to consider Galvatron a separate character from Megatron for all practical purposes. How do we tackle this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:I interpret it as saying that in inducting Megatron, Galvatron is not being inducted by connection, since [[Megatron (Animated)|not all Megatrons have become Galvatrons]], and some interpretations of Galvatron (like IDW) are separate from Megatron. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:00, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I don't think this really changes anything about the way we've already got Galvy covered. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:14, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

== Excessive Trivia Sections ==

Ok, a few days ago I attempted to clean up some trivia sections. I realize in hindsight I was tired and being a wanker and was removing valuable information, and I apologize for that. However, I think some of our trivia could definitely stand to be integrated into the articles themselves, especially notes like "This character's Universe toy was..." or "in the Energon comic, so-and so was completely different". I would like to integrate these but I was hoping to get an opinion on this, since I went about it wrong once already. Thoughts? -- [[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 12:44, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
:Agreed. The Notes sections (shouldn't be Trivia anymore) are for information that doesn't fit elsewhere. If there is a logical place to put it, move the information there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:58, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Editing Drift's related materials ==
Actually, this would cover whatever anyone of us have a '''large''' dislike of, but yeah. This is a wiki, where we're supposed to be informative and be able to present the info in a fun way. I'm not entirely sure of how objective we can be (humor aside), but the whole kerfluffle on Drift's mini and cameos showing in his mini is making me worried on the attitudes of certain editors that could easily descend into a editing/name-calling/accusation war. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:39, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
:My position is the Wiki doesn't have to be ''objective'', so long as it isn't ''unreasonable''. There are plenty of flaws in Drift and Shane McCarthy's work to poke fun of -- there's no reason to create ones that aren't true.
:I was re-reading Drift #1 and happened to notice he DID suffer damage from those laser blasts while fleeing. I remembered that note on the Wiki joking that he was "laser-proof", so I removed it. I also posted on the Talk page explaining why. Detour restored the Note several times anyway, even though it was false as written. He eventually tried to re-write it, adding something about Deadlock surviving blasts that blew off Jetstorm's head earlier. Nowhere in the comic did Jetstorm's head get blown off. Drench's did, notCarnivac's did, but Jetstorm was fine. It just shows that Detour doesn't care about being accurate so long as he's not giving an inch on anything Anti-McCarthy on the Wiki.
:So really -- can't we be ''better'' than that? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 22:05, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but I really think Detour shouldn't be allowed to edit anything connected to McCarthy. And I'm pretty much branded an irrational anti-McCarthy troll on the IDW boards, so I think this is saying something. I'm first in line to complain when ''he deserves it'', this sort of stuff is just petty and weakens the valid criticism by association. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:25, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::So because I mixed up Drench and Jetstorm's name, I'm now "making stuff up"? Now who's being irrational? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:39, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Please try to be accurate when editing articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 02:57, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I don't think you really comprehend this discussion and the situation leading up to it, Item42. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:17, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Um, people generally hate [[Drift (G1)|Drift]], this wiki's editors want to have reliable articles, and Detour got stuff mixed up, which people blame on his anti-Drift-ism. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:53, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

== External Links ==

Similar to the whole business of changing all the "Trivia" sections into "Notes" sections, this is just a heads up for anyone who wants to chip in for a mundane task: if you ever see a link to TFU.info (or a similar toy site) in the External Links section of a character's page, relocating it to that character's Toys section would be super-awesome. (And if the External Links section subsequently becomes empty, get rid of it.) I wouldn't really describe this as a task with much urgency behind it, but it will make characters' pages look consistent, and consistency looks nice. It's really a minor edit that's easy and quick to do, and I'd appreciate some help in this fiasco. An example of how this is supposed to look like can be found at [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal's toy section]]. So keep an eye out while you're bored and clicking that "Random Page" button. :) --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 12:37, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
:I've been trying to do these whenever I come across one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
==Who hosts your wiki now==
Wikia is making more unpopular changes, [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia] with a new skin which is even more unpopulat.

In this angry discussion, your site was mentioned as one site which said "f--- you wikia" and left, which I respect so much, and would like to emulate.

I am wondering who is hosting your wikia, and how much does it cost per year? If you could do it again, how would you do it differently? Who could I maybe ask these questions too?

Thank you. [[User:Adamtheclown|Adamtheclown]] 17:12, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:We're hosted on [http://www.slicehost.com/ Slicehost]. What you go for hostingwise will really depend on how popular your site is though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:25, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

== McAfee SiteAdvisor review rating this site incorrectly ==

As a countermeasure to viruses on the net, I have a special version of McAfee that has this widget-type thing that gives me ratings on the security of certain websites. I have noticed that this website was recently given a big, fat red "X" rating, showing that this website contains malware and other things, all because of one single rating that the reviewer said he did not like this website. He did not say this was a malware site, but the system apparently decided to take ''one'' person's personal opinion and rate this site as a horrible website so every time I go in, I get this asininely huge message saying "MCAFEE HAS TESTED THIS SITE AND FOUND IT TO BE BLAH BLAH BLAH".

I don't think that just one siteadvisor reviewer (myself) can turn around that rating. Sure, a website can be full of people with questionable morals and values, but that has no reflection on the security of the website. Can I have a little help here?

Here is the page for this website: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/tfwiki.net?premium=false&client_uid=1093063016&client_ver=3.1.0.175&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0-884&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0&pip=true --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 08:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

:Questionable "morals and values"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:27, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I feel like I know that guy from somewhere. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Gotta be [[User: Primal Rage|mignash]]. Also, how could it be a bad shopping experience, we don't SELL anything. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::No, mignash doesn't spell that well. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:43, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::People usually say "bad shopping experience" in place of "bad experience" because there is a bulleted selector so you don't have a lot of choices. What I don't like is having this website have a false security rating, I don't really care about that negative reviewer with the social rating. It's a ''security'' database, not how good or bad something is socially. Maybe the person was [[User:Trolly McTrollerson|Trolly McTrollerson]] and since he was b& he just wanted to troll even more? --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:45, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Meh. Considering David Willis's reputation as a "fandom boogeyman", stunts like this hardly surprise me. There's a lot of petty fans who apparently categorically refuse to edit this wiki out of hatred for Willis (which apparently also stops them from editing at Wikia as well, go figure...) and who basically go "Yeah? I know Transformers! I'm going to make my own Transformers wiki! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the wiki!". So, yeah. Hardly surprising. I've dropped off a review myself, but it still doesn't appear to be enough to raise the rating... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:11, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== Fan-configurations of toys ==

(From [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fan-mode|here]], I'm not sure who "User:Divebomb" is though)
Should we have an article on how people would have made-up modes of their toys just because the toys can be configured that way (such as that "combination" of Classics Jetfire and Optimus Prime)? Or maybe just mention that stuff in an article somewhere (like [[Toy]])?
{{note|I'm not suggesting we mention that on individual character ''pages'', cos that will just spiral out of control.}}

-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I find it odd that we don't have a fan-mode article here. It seems like it would be a valid topic, and a few famous/infamous examples should be mentioned on that page. I agree that we don't need to mention them on individual pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:37, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::FYI, User:Divebomb would happen to be me. (Don't tell the Wikipedia guys that though.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Once you admitted to something on a ''publically viewable'' webpage, there's really no stopping the info from getting out. You didn't have to admit who it was ''specifically''. But, I guess if you're gonna be good over there, you ''might'' be allowed to stay. Doesn't Wikipedia have something for reformed vandals? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:53, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::You're assuming they're even gonna notice. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::I like being honest. If anybody asks, I can tell them who "Divebomb" is, since I never agreed to keep it secret. Don't tempt me. Also, we (both of us) should get back on topic. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:52, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I think it is certainly a good idea to make a page such as that! I happen to be very interested in this kind of thing because I, too used to dick around with my toys and I want a wiki article on it; I don't want to search around on geoshitties-type websites for such things. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== [[Frank Miller]] ==

A bit of an edit war or something [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Frank_Miller&action=history here]. [[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] and [[User:Detour|Detour]] changed the caption to a [[david Willis|Shortpacked]] reference, changingthe caption to a picture '''I uploaded'''. Isn't that [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|wrong]] or somesuch? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:54, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I guess if other people dislike a joke, then it's okay to change the caption, I think. A while ago, Eire changed a caption I added on [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]'s page, but I didn't mind because the new one was funnier. If you take offense, however, that's something that needs to be discussed.--[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:58, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thing is, their edits put in an '''external link''', that explains the joke. If you look further up this page there's (currently) a section with me getting told by [[Chris McFeely]] and Interrobang that doing so would be a ''bad''thing. If I have to stop doing that, then so should they. Plus, changing a caption like that is discouraged by policy. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:02, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh lordy McLordlord. Okay, first of all. "Who the hell do you think I am?" was Kamina's catchphrase and that's why Konishi gets it. "WTHDYTIA" is merely a small portion of the larger "What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!", and generally the first part to be left out when it's misquoted because it's so forgettable there compared to what comes before and after it. It's really a poor-ass choice of words for Miller's caption any way you look at it. Second of all, the Shortpacked link does not, as you put it, "explain the joke". The joke doesn't need explaining if you know ANYTHING about Miller, that's why it turned meme mere moments after Willis put it up. It's there because that's where the joke originated, and the comic's funny. Just because there's a link in a caption doesn't mean it's a deliberate attempt at explaining a joke. Look around and you'll see plenty of other captions with such links within them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:17, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Ahem,
#I know both lines pretty well.
#Just because people do that a lot,doesn't mean it should be done (for example, the caption page has a list of jokes this community is sick of. An example outside this wiki would be main namespace-conversation on TV Tropes)
#It would be much better if this wiki's pages policy give more comprehensive/complete advice.
[[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:23, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

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== TFsource ad buy ==

TFsource contacted me, having seen our perennial Reprolabels ad up above and wanting in on a piece of the action, wanting to permanently buy one of our other ad spots. The question I have is, would/should we restrict them from ads depicting "third-party" toys and bootlegs? Perhaps this is the ghost of BotCon hovering over me, since their Wall Of Trademark And Copyright Theft Directly Facing the Hasbro Booth is prominent in my mind, and I know a few of the editors here expressed some displeasure with that. Is that a big deal for anyone, does anyone care in this context, or should I be all "ABSOLUTELY!" and then we make a deal and rake in the dough? Can we even judge, since we have, you know, all of this scanned material and whatnot? These are the questions I present. Tell me how much they matter. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:24, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:All else being equal I'd prefer to avoid it, unless we're desperate for cash. We know some Hasbro staff look at this wiki and they've been clear in how much that stuff bugs them. Also, the more our pageviews include imagery of Fake Magnus Armor and Fake Springer and Fake Rod et al., the more we're going to have to deal with new arrivals who feel that's all kosher for inclusion in the main articles. If it's possible to get a TFSource ad that will never display a bootleg, then I'd have no problem with it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:36, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Seems like a reasonable restriction for us to make to me. My take on our scans is that one, we generally err on the side of fair use in not uploading entire pages and making sure we credit the hell out of things, and two, they're not a 100% vital part of the wiki anyway--if Hasbro told us to take every scan down tomorrow we could comply and still have a perfectly usable (just a less visually exciting) wiki. 
::That's kind of different from openly advertising toys that totally violate Hasbro's copyright, though. Even aside from the legal tangles (which is no small aside, certainly), while I know we are in that murky grey area in some things, we ''have'' always tried to play as fair as we can with Hasbro in how we operate. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:40, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree, no knockoffs in our ads if we can help it.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:44, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ditto on no knockoffs in the ads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:59, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::ALL ABOARD THE DITTO ASTROTRAIN --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:07, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::N-O on the K-Os. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, if TFSource can give us ad without IP infringing product, I say let em in. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:17, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Yikes, I'm looking at the side banner right now and it's full of IP infringing products. The one I see has Knight Morpher Commander, Crossfire Munition and Explorer and Warbot Defender. The only ACTUAL Transformers product in there is Masterpiece Ghost Starscream. I think it would be bad form to keep ads like that on the site. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:19, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ads without IP infringing material would be fine with me. [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]] 18:56, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Ugh. When they were allowed to buy the ad space, did they promise no knock-offs? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::Big NO on knockoffs, including third-party. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:51, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I am cool with them buying adspace IF they only advertise official Transformers products. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:14, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::I say YES to having the Third party stuff on here. As you can see by the continuity discussion above Hasbro don't really give a damn about Transformers fiction the way we do. The third party stuff proves that those guys have passion that many in Hasbro do not. And "knock-offs" is a bit harsh, no? So in summary, screw Hasbro and yeah Fansproject! And let's be honest if the choice as to who controls Transformers came down to a two-way battle between Hasbro and TFWiki, who would you pick? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:44, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Drmick, we're talking '''''IP infringement''''' here and we occasionally have actual Hasbro folks peek in here time to time. I think I speak for the others in that none of us wants them knocking on the wiki's doors with some form of a C&D or something that'll restrict us (save certain circumstances). We've probably toed a couple lines somewhere more than several times, and I for one, do NOT want our relationship with Hasbro to be messed up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 12:22, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::What LG said. Also, we're not talking about putting Fansproject's knockoffs on the wiki itself... just adspace for sites dedicated to selling such knockoffs. And I'm giving that idea a big fat ''hell no''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:49, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::No doubt the only reason the ad is still up is because Walky's on the road. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:38, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::What ad are you guys seeing? All I see is a Project Wonderful sidebar ad (current bidder is Unreal Books) and reprolabels permanent banner up top. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::I'm seeing a TFSource ad ABSOLUTELY FULL of pics of third-party stuff. And MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:57, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::Yeah, for some reason I'm not seeing any of that. I just see two Project Wonderful ads on the left hand side "Advertisement" sidebar, so TF Source's ad must be triggered by IP address or something. Also, if the ad is already up after only one day (or less) of community consultation, and Walky's not around to deal with administration problems relating to it (especially as there is a fear of how TF Source's wares would look to Hasbro), then that's poor planning on his part, (no offense intended, boss.) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:02, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::Weird, it's gone for me, now. Where it was I have a Project Wonderful ad displaying Akemi's Anime World. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:11, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::Still there for me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:36, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::Just tried it on another browser that I never use (in case there's some cache thing on the main browser - no change, I don't see the TF Source banner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::Project Wonderful ads are localized, guys. TFSource probably just shelled out the dough for their ad in the States only. I've never seen it up, myself. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:34, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::I'm in ''Poland'', Detour. That's on an entirely different ''continent'' than the US. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:37, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::I'm in Canada, and I have seen it. I just don't see it anymore. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:44, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::Wait, you're Polish? I had no idea. You talk gooder English than me. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:39, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::: The advert's currently only displaying in Europe. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:26, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::::: No wonder, all I see are just two Project Wonderful random ads. And I'm in Taiwan. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 05:52, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TFsource said they were willing to give us a banner that has no third-party stuff on it! Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yeh, that sounds nice to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:09, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::And it should be noted that during the time we were displaying the "offending" ad, we had not yet agreed to have an adspace bought out by TFSource. They'd just bought the ad the normal way, and as they'd been a prior bidder, they were pre-approved.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:13, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Excellent - my apologies, Walky. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:00, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
That sidebar ad with the knock-off Swindle, Springer, and HoS Optimus has started showing up for me again, in Canada if that's relevant. It had stopped showing up less than a day after I first saw it, but now it's there again. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:46, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

:Another Canadian here. Same situation as Cattleprod. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:58, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

::Me too, same ad as before, knockoffs and all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:12, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yep, knock-off ad here too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:44, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

::::On the Project Wonderful site, both the Canadian and EU traffic are seeing the version of the banner with the Munitioner upgrade sets, Knight Morpher Commander and Warbot Defender. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:24, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Now I see THE ad, too. (Taiwan, Asia) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

Welp, Californian and now I'm seeing the Munitioner set, alongside Knight Morpher and Warbot Defender with MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm in Ohio and getting Naruto vol. 48 as the ad. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 02:45, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

::TFSource's knockoffs ad is back for Canadian and European visitors. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:59, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Seeing all sorts of KOs advertised now. Can we void their contract and keep their money as a fine for breaking their agreement with us? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:02, 15 July 2010 (EDT)PS- since when is NC in Europe/Canada?

:::Welp, [http://img535.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead01.jpg/ this] [http://img693.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead02.jpg/ I certainly] [http://img14.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead03.jpg/ agree]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:05, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Same here, and I'm American. I'm only sort of mentioning this because they let someone steal my credit card. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 22:50, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::As mentioned, we haven't actually committed to any deal yet with them, and any ads you see are them going through the standard Project Wonderful process. They've bought ads with us before, and thus as long as they have the high bid, they're pre-approved. They're going to have the proposed first-party-products-only ad to submit to Walky sometime next week.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:11, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

====Guys====
There is no "contract" to "void." Their permanent ad buy hasn't STARTED. They've been advertising with those particular ads for months. You've just finally noticed them because I brought them up. We haven't even discussed what the ad space will cost them since I've been busy and they said they won't have a new ad for us for about a week anyway. So, like, chill out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:31, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:For months? Huh... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:21, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

====And it's done====
TFsource owns our skyscraper until whenever they don't want to anymore. It's all official stuff, so everyone happy? (Yay!) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:Can we please somehow code it to say "This ad comes with a 100% chance of not causing us headaches" beneath the ad? (Nah, not really.)
:Also, I'm happy. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

:Looks awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:That looks great! Nice and slick-looking. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:55, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Simon Furman's IDW pitch ==

So here's a thing. The following text is Simon Furman's original pitch for Transformers comics when IDW took up the license, printed in the back of the "Best of Simon Furman" hardback collection. I skimmed this a few years back when the book was released and it passed under my nose at work, but since then, we've never had any of the info on the wiki, and I've never seen any discussion of it on any forums - presumably because none of us actually BOUGHT the dang thing, since we own all these stories in multiple formats already. I borrowed the book and transcribed the pitch so that anyone interested can read it, and we can maybe actually do something with the info. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:01, 8 July 2010 (EDT)
:Hmm. I've never seen this before. It's pretty interesting that Furman was itching to do Cybertron , which is weird, because by the time IDW was announced as the new comic licensee, Cybertron had started. Would take awhile to get a Cybertron comic up and running, I would think. By the time it came out, it might be already too late. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:58, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::It wouldn't surprise me if that's why it was modified so much. But, um, should we be duplicating this sort of material here? I mean, sure, The Best of Simon Furman wasn't the most popular book, but isn't this just copyright infringement? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 03:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, that was on my mind as I was transcribing it. I don't really intend to permanently house this anywhere - I just wanted to get it up so people could get a look, take in the info, maybe do something wiki-related with it, then I'd scrub it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TRANSFORMERS… A NEW DIRECTION

A Proposal For IDW

--Simon Furman--

In the (Armada/Energon) Cybertron timeline…

…UNICRON IS DESTROYED, utterly wiped out of existence by a seismic shock warhead detonated deep within its superstructure (events which would be visited retroactively in any subsequent ‘Energon’ conclusion issues).

But as one threat to Cybertron ends, another has only just begun. A rift in time and space – a massive ‘chronal’ black hole formed by the annihilation of Unicron – is threatening to suck Cybertron in, tear it apart in an internal maelstrom of deconstructed space and time. Only by anchoring the planet, via a spacebridge, to Earth’s energon core can Cybertron maintain its tenuous position, but it’s at best a quick fix. To seal the rift, they need the power of PRIMUS, the progenitor of the entire TRANSFORMERS race. But while a fragment of the dormant Primus lifeforce exists within Cybertron, the rest is lost, scattered throughout the universe, buried deep within strange, alien worlds.

Roused (from eons of chronal stasis in a dimension outside of normal space and time) by the impending cataclysm, the immortal sentinel known as Vector Prime spearheads the search for the Primus lifeforce, guiding Optimus Prime and his Autobots on a quest that will take them to aliens worlds in the farthest corners of the galaxy and beyond. But where Prime and the Autobots go… Megatron and the Decepticons are never far behind.

Clad in the armor of Unicron, fuelled by a fragment of his Spark, Megatron has become a true agent of chaos. He’s prepared to sacrifice Cybertron, Earth and any other world in order to contain and absorb the lifeforce of Primus himself, his ultimate aim to transform himself… into a living god!

And the ‘Cybertron’ timeline is not the only one to feel the effects of the destruction of Unicron. In fact… it’s one of the lucky ones.

<<In all the disparate timelines, all the myriad dimensions, there is but one Unicron. Though physical presence is limited to a single reality at any given time, it exists simultaneously in countless dimensions, shadows of its vast, ancient consciousness inextricably interwoven into the complex geometry of time and space. Its destruction in the Cybertron timeline creates ripples, which become shockwaves, which gather force, become a tidal wave of destruction. In some realities, the effect of the ‘chaos wave’ is total, instantaneous, entire timelines… wiped out. In others, the initial effect is less pronounced, a dramatic event heralding a slow descent into space/time anarchy.>>

In the G1 timeline…

…CYBERTRON IS DESTROYED! The resident Autobots and Decepticons barely have time to evacuate the planet, to eject the core of the planet and it’s precious Vector Sigma cargo (an eventuality made feasible way back when [in The War Within v3]) before the planet is torn apart, smashed into component molecules by the roiling chaos wave. Many Cybertronians don’t make it at all, and are simply wiped out. In a shockingly short time, Cybertron is gone. Forever.

Shocked, stunned, bereft of their homeworld, the remaining populous finds itself spread far and wide throughout the galaxy, seeking (in the Autobots’ case) safe harbor or (in the Decepticons’ case) new worlds to conquer… and colonise. Megatron’s Decepticons have perfecting ‘mechaforming’ technology, invasive, self-replicating machinery designed to restructure the entire geological substructure of a planet, in effect turn it into a new Cybertron. And since the Decepticons are indifferent to the presence or fate of any indigenous civilizations on the planet(s) of choice, it’s down to the Autobots to stop them… at any cost.

Earth, always a pivotal world in the G1 timeline, becomes even more of a focal battleground. Its natural resources are a potent brew that – with the right exploitation and manipulation – can be turned into energon, the lifeblood of the Transformer race. In Decepticon hands the whole world would be turned into a vast refinery, bled dry to fuel the creation of the ‘new’ Cybertron.

And Optimus Prime has an even more pressing concern. Contacted by Vector Prime (who can move within all remaining TF timelines), he is warned that the omniversal geometry is critically out of alignment. The removal of – for want of a better word – ‘evil’ has disturbed an age-old natural balance. Though it goes against every Autobot credo, they must somehow resurrect the dark force known, among other things, as Unicron! The key is the so-called ‘Decepticon Matrix’, a quasi-mythical power source spread throughout the galaxy. Said to be fragments of Unicron itself, released in some apocalyptic confrontation with Primus before the dawn of time, its retrieval and coalescence could restore the balance and dissipate the chaos wave.

Reluctantly, with grave reservations (and considerable dissent in the Autobot ranks) Prime forges an uneasy alliance with two of Unicron’s heralds, Cylonus and Scourge, both of whom are dedicated to the rebirth of their master (for different reasons). But, unknown to Prime, they have a secondary agenda, a plan to use a fragment of the Decepticon Matrix to destroy Megatron… and recreate him as the unstoppable force known as Galvatron!

<<And so, in one timeline, the Autobots seek to make Primus whole once more, while in another, they seek to resurrect the spirit of Unicron, leading ultimately to the new, universe-shaking confrontation between the two ancient forces… one that will (briefly) unite all remaining TRANSFORMERS timelines and continuities in an epic battle for survival.>>

CYBERTRON #0 (AND ONGOING)/G1 #0 (AND ONGOING)

Amidst the larger framework of the ‘chaos wave’ saga, the ongoing thrust of Cybertron is a focused series of one or two-part (largely self-contained, featuring different character assortments) adventures set on Cybertron, Earth and the key planets (Speed, Beast and Giant) that support its core quest… the search for the lifeforce of Primus. At every turn, the Autobots are confounded and frustrated by the Decepticons, but in the process forge new alliances and friendships, both on Earth and beyond. It’s a race against time… with the fate of Cybertron (and more) hanging in the balance.

The G1 title expands the scope and reach of the line, exploring wider character/conflict story arcs (while pulling in much more fan-friendly past and future continuity) and dramatically shaking the whole TRANSFORMERS mythos to its core, streamlining and redefining the sometimes confusing mass of ‘alternate’ timelines. But as with Cybertron, the focus will shift to different groups of Autobots/Decepticons on different worlds, faced with differing agendas and challenges.

The issue #0s will be mirror-images of each other, both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an omniverse in chaos, threatened on all fronts. His narrative will serve to encapsulate what has gone before while his actions introduce the primary cast and lay the groundwork for what is to come.

===Noticed something===

{{quote|both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an '''omniverse''' in chaos}}

Some use of the word [[omniverse]]. Wow. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:16, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

===Added it in somewheres===
I've added references to that thing at [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] and [[Cybertron (franchise)]]. Did I do it right? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:21, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

== Usernames ==

Our latest user [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] has what I consider to be a somewhat inflammatory username considering the how many arguments ensue regarding the live-action movies. It's probable that you would have difficulty registering on a forum with such a username. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:I was thinking the same thing. We blocked some guy from registering such a name referencing Detour, why should we allow such statements against Bay? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:09, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, I also thought his name was inappropriate. I don't think personal threats would be acceptable here, particularly about such a controversial figure in Transformers fandom. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::On Wookieepedia we routinely block people for having inappropriate names. I see no reason why we shouldn't have a similar policy here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:19, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::How he creates a new account and the old one is blocked? Some of his edits aren't too bad; I don't see why he shouldn't get a second chance. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:21, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Block the old account, post a nice note explaining that we want him to stay and continue working but that he cannot use a name that is attacking/insulting any person. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:32, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::I am in support of this, but he should be informed via his talkpage for one full day prior to the block, for the sake of not being too harsh. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:04, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I fully agree with Detour. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:18, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Now we just need to find an actual admin. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:12, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::And set the thing right. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:47, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::Well, he ignored Abates. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:52, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::I was [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] but then I kinda stop using it because some mind find it offensive. So I am sorry for my inflammatory username. --[[User:HeyTFWiki|HeyTFWiki]] 05:17, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Official sources policy ==

Recently, some of us have been explaining to a user why video from a cellphone camera of the movie set cannot be taken as official sources. I was going to link to the official sources page when I realized that I do not know what it's called and cannot find it. Which brings me to this point: we actually took the time to write out and codify our what we consider to be official sources, right? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:It's at [[Help:Official info]]. And next time, somebody should probably just place the <nowiki>{{scoop bastard}}</nowiki> template. (I was going to but couldn't find a good chance.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

== Disgusting ad ==
Sorry if I'm posting this at the wrong place, but is there anywhere we can complain about the ads on the wiki? Not to overstep my (very modest) bounds here or anything, but that ad with the GIANT PIMPLE on the back of the guy's neck is really off-putting... You've probably all seen it by now right? I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks this... Call me squeamish if you will, but it's really bothering me... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm with this 100%. I'm so glad I haven't eaten a thing all day, because I'd have lost my breakfast and my lunch by now. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:49, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't mind so much if it would only pop up occassionally (then again, my gross tolerance is relatively high). But to be confronted with the world's largest zit every page I go on this wiki... Rather not. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:55, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I checked the PW sites - must have been outbid so I missed it. What the heck was it for? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:37, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::::It was for a website ''about the world's largest pimple!'' It was [http://www.worldslargestzit.net this] I believe. SO not missing that ad. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:19, 16 July 2010 (EDT)

==Disamb template on calendar pages?==
So while fiddling around with the latest additions to our "day in history" pages, I got to thinking. Separating bullets with a blank line adds to our pages' sizes because that adds a "list start/stop" in the coding, yes? 
Well... does the <nowiki>{{disamb}}</nowiki> Template do that when we split that up with a blank line between them? The only real difference we ''see'' on the page is a "—" instead of a ":" after the bolded year. I fiddled with it a bit (without saving) and it looks good to me; I'll probably do up a Sandbox. If using this template doesn't add to the page size in the back-end that we don't see in the normal edit window... it sure would make it easier to read in said edit window, plus give the lists that litlte extra space between lines for readability on the normal pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:45, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yes, putting spaces between {{tl|disamb}} also causes the problem whereby each item is in its own list. We can space out the more compact lists on the normal pages using css, but I don't think there's any way to space them out on the edit window due to the way MediaWiki parses stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:43, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well, that's goddamn irksome. It's too easy to get lost in a mass of unbroken text in the edit window. but if we can add jsut a little space between items in the final result, I'll be happy. Though this does beg the question of whether we should move over to using the disamb template anyway for calendars. Probably ought to be going over our disambiguation pages and bringing them up to code anyway (well, where dates are applicable). At the very least, I'm liking the use of em-dashes instead of colons. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:23, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

==TF Wiki Firefox Search Engine Add-On==
I'm surprised that one wasn't created a long time ago. It would make things incredibly convenient, and it can't be that hard to make. Anyone else like the idea? Anyone here have experience?
--[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:27, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Please elaborate. What function exactly would such an add-on serve? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:32, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::None. You can add the wiki to the search engines list without messing with addons. Just go to a page on the wiki, and click on the down arrow in Firefox's search box. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:38, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Wow, I must be blind. Thanks guys. There should be something on the home page encouraging visitors to do just that. Might help with traffic. --[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:50, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

== In regards to expo 86. ==

Hey, Editor from Seibertron.com here. The front page list a request about "Information on the Transformers presentation at Vancouver's Expo '86".

I was about 11 then but I spent a lot of time at Expo during that summer. I don't remember any presentations per say, but I do remember that Hasbro (or at least Hasbro Canada) did have a presence. Namely they had 3-4 outdoor kiosks located around the fair, these were freestanding units with each one branded with one of four Hasbro properties, I clearly remember one being for Transformers and another for My Little Pony, the other(s) escape me at the moment but I am fairly certain that GIJoe wasn't there, and one could have been a generic Hasbro one. Additionally, one proper store was set up more for kids goods in the Red Zone near the Land Plaza and UFOH2O, that stocked the same items.

Due to the size of the units a good amount of available items were blister packs mainly Scamble City units. Boxed TF's were available but in smaller amounts (For some reason I want to say a good number of Wreck-gars and Gnaws were there) Sadly due to the location everything was more expensive than they could be found for at local stores. What was cool is that each of the kiosks regardless of how they were branded had a bit of everything, and they occasionally had loose pieces on hand. (I do remember playing with a Swindle at the actual TF Kiosk.

Don't know if that really helps but hopefully it did. Feel free to contact me thru Seibs if you have any questions.

:Hmm, that's interesting, though, it being your memories from about 24 years ago, I'm not sure how "article information"-worthy it is. Would you happen to have any photos taken of the event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:25, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

::Not in my personal collection, but since writing the above I have been looking thru some online records of the fair to see if I can spot those kiosks. If I remember correctly where a couple were I might be able locate some. If I can find them I'll post here.

:::In our anon's defense, I offer the following taken from a story titled "Expo '86 a hit at luring firms through turnstiles" written by Jennifer Hunter, and published in the May 1st, 1986 edition of ''The Globe and Post'':
::::Expo is offering corporate exclusivity; there was already a soft-drink manufacturer, a car maker and a bank, but no toy company. Hasbro - with 1985 sales of $1.2-billion (U.S.) and profit of $99-million - is one of the largest toy manufacturers in North America and seemed a likely candidate to fork over dollars for a world's fair.

::::Mr. Hassenfeld and his brother Stephan could not resist the Expo slogan - Invite the World. A global showcase for Hasbro toys was too good an offer to turn down. So the Hassenfeld brothers delivered a cheque for $2-million (Canadian) to sponsor the Expo Centre geodesic dome. In return, Hasbro toys will be sold on the fair site.

::::"Bringing the name Hasbro before the public is the major reason we are participating," Mr. Hassenfeld said.

:::So it looks like his memories are probably accurate. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:22, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Hopefully '''''whomever asked for this information in the first place''''' will pop in and comment. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:53, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Titan Magazines ==

Is there a reason why none of the Titan Movie comics pages have Featured Character boxes? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:It is highly possible that the pages (or at least the sections) are still under working. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:52, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

::They seem pretty complete other than the featured character lists. Not sure what's up with that! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:26, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:::*makes note to add Featured Character boxes to as many Titan Movie comics pages as possible sometime in the near future* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:53, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== No Hasbro Q and A? ==

Just wondering: Are we not participating in the Hasbro QandA's any more? We apparently didn't submit anything to the last one (along with a lot of other places weirdly, did Hasbro trim the list of who could ask or something?). Anyway, according to the Allspark the next set of questions are due Aug 9th, just wanted to see if anyone knew what was up? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:30, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
: We didn't send in questions because they were due during BotCon and we messed up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well it's kinda understandable. We were hardly the only ones to miss it, given the slim list of sites with questions for July. Anyway, we'll have question solicitation for August open soon then? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:45, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== An article on racing ==

Not sure if this is exactly the right place to ask this, but...

Would an article on [[racing]] be appropriate for the wiki? Races do seem to crop up a lot in TF fiction. Off the top of my head, I can think of the [[Trans-Europe Express]] (G1), the race series where [[Road King]] was found (Masterforce), the nutty race where everyone tried to lure out [[Skid-Z (RID)|Skid-Z]] (RID), the one the Autobots had after Inferno died (Energon), [[Velocitron]]'s entire culture (Cybertron), and [[Street Demon]] (Animated).

Aye or nay? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 13:23, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
: If there's enough races, perhaps a category would suffice? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::Might I suggest [[Cybertronian_sport#Races|here]] as a starting point.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:37, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Didn't know about that page. Yeah, that's more appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:52, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Fan translated manga images. ==

I noticed quite a few images of manga that have fan translations in the word bubbles. It the wiki cool with that? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:55, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Well, I for one don't mind, because it lets me understand what's going on... it's official media, just translated by fans. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:58, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::If the person uploading it can vouch for the accuracy of the translation, then I have no problem with it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:04, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Movie 1 characters vs drones ==

Am I alone in thinking maybe we should split up pages like [[Longarm (Movie)]] and [[Swindle (Movie)]] into pages that cover the individual characters and the drones in their likeness separately? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:56, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:I'd agree with that. I thought we had already done that for some of them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:36, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree with the splitting if possible. Since individual characters are much different from drones. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:20, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Split 'em. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:33, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Reissues and rereleases ==

Which reissues deserve to be listed separately from their original release? For some reason, reissues of G1 toys have been listed separately on some pages but not on others. I think [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s toy page mentions aimsing to list all reissues separately. The 2010 [[Piranacon]] reissue is listed separately, but not the 2010 [[Predaking]]. Also, the toys rereleased in [[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] are listed separately on the character pages even though they're ''completely'' unchanged, unlike some reissues of G1 figures. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:35, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:I think part of that is simply older pages not having been updated since the decision was made to separate reissues (At least I'm pretty sure we are aiming to keep them separate). Newer reissues, like the Predaking, have probably been handled in the way the poster in question had seen such things done on other pages, leading to continuing inconsistency. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:58, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
::So, the current standard is to list releases separately? Is that on any help or policy page? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:12, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Wikia ==

Thank god we jumped ship when we did, because Wikia is planning on switching to a new skin.

[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia Preview]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:43, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

:They must have switched already? Because every single Wikia site is completely effed up in IE7 now. --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 18:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::No, they haven't. They're having technical problems with the server they use for css and images. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:12, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

== Explicitly Saying Characters Are Similar To Earlier Characters Of Same Name ==

On the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] talk page, [[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] is saying that characters that are homages to earlier characters of the same name need to have this pointed out, in something like the form "Blackarachnia (Animated) is based on the original Blackarachnia (BW), who first appeared in the Beast Wars franchise."
* Is this a good idea, as it will help people who are new to Transformers learn about the history of the brand?
* Is it unnecessary to point out that characters are similar to earlier characters of the same name, since it's very common, and would involve altering lots of pages?
* Other?
[[User:JW|JW]] 19:18, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:Blackarachnia (Animated) has a lot of similarities and also a lot of differences with Blackarachnia (BW). I don't think I'd go so far as to say she was "based on" Blackarachnia (BW). Swindle (Animated), on the other hand, is a direct transplant of Swindle (G1). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:47, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

::It may seem like a total DUH kind of thing to all the long-time TF fans who inhabit this place, but for our readers, such information seems totally relevant and useful. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:05, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::There's a friggin' disambig right up top in a separated box for... all the charcaters who have the same name! Wow! And we're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of pages where we'd have to do this. It's not quite "This is a picture of Megatron" level DUH, but it's in the ballpark. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:53, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I honestly don't understand what the disambigs have to do with this. The only information they are there to convey is "there are other characters with this name, go to this separate page for a list." They don't in any way tell you "this character who's article you're reading now was based on this other one." Especially since many characters who share the name don't actually have any other relationship to each other. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:15, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Characters with the same name as each other within the same brand are expected to be similar (if not identical) to each other, with older ones serving as inspiration for later ones. If characters of the same name are not similar would seem to be more notable than if they are similar. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:09, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::The Prowls, Scavengers, Razorclaws, and Bonecrushers tend to have very little to do with one another. Note that the main page for the Animated franchise points out that so many of the characters are clear homages to their earlier-series namesakes too. Since it has been over 10 years since the first Blackarachnia did anything, I don't see the harm in putting a one-liner at the top of BA-Animated's "Notes" section saying she's totally based on the first one. Kil is right--it wouldn't be "just so obvious" to a 14-year-old who was brought in by the movies and Animated. To a newcomer, why would it be especially obvious that Animated Ironhide and Blitzwing are based on namesakes from Cold War-era cartoons they never saw? Where's the harm in just one line? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:29, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I have to agree that it's not going to be obvious to someone coming in from the Movie or Animated, or even the Unicron Trilogy that many of the homages are homages. Especially Ratchet, given the drastically different color scheme Movie Ratchet (Rescue Ratchet toys notwithstanding) has compared to the others. I admit, it might seem a litte weird to make what seems to us to be such an obvious note on so many pages but if our goal is to make this Wiki accessible and informative to fans of all levels then I think it's necessary to do so.
::::::And for BA's case, I think it additionally warrants mentioning Binaltech Blackwidow as a direct inspiration. Because even though most of the design cues come originally from her first and TM2 incarnations, I don't think you get to Animated BA with the combination of attributes (and the black gloves) without going through the Binaltech version first. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:06, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I feel it's necessary to point out that a newcomer is probably not going to get to the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] page without passing through [[Blackarachnia (disambiguation)]] first. So, they're gonna be made aware of the Beast Wars character. (Sure, they might get there through other means, but it's not the most likely route.)
::::::However, if the consensus is leaning toward allowing notes of the form "Foo is based on Foo of same name," how do we decide which characters need it? Just from Animated, here's all the characters who visually homage previous characters of the same name: Arcee, Big Bang Prime, Blackarachnia, Blackout, Blitzwing, Blurr, Botanica, Brawn, Bumblebee, Bumper, Cliffjumper, Cosmos, Cyclonus, Dai Atlas, Devcon, Flip Sides, Grimlock, Highbrow, Hot Shot, Hot Spot Major, Impactor Major, Ironhide, Jazz, Laserbeak, Longrack Major, Mainframe, Mixmaster, Octus, Omega Supreme, Omega SPREEM, Optimus Prime, Perceptor, Powerglide, Primal Major, Railspike Major, Ratbat, Ratchet, Reflector, Rodimus Prime, Rosanna, Seaspray, Silverbolt Major, Sky-Byte, Soundwave, Spittor, Springer, Starscream (Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ramjet, Dirge, Thrust, Sunstorm), Steeljaw, Straxus, Strika, Swindle, Swoop, Tracks, Warpath, Wheeljack, Zaur. (I left out the Witwickys and some of the Bumblebee-clones.) Do we add that note to ''all'' of them? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:49, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
In the absence of any strong support either way on this issue, I'm going to assume our current implicit policy holds: When a new character is based on an old character of the same name, explictly pointing it out is neither required nor prohibited. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:14, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity note ==

Which articles don't need one. [[Vector Prime]] doesn't but [[Nexus Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion (Prime)]] ''do''. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:42, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:...what? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:32, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::He means as multiversal singularities the One, Primus, Unicron, Prima, Fallen and Vector don't have continuity notes at the top indicating which franchise they're from. Nexus is just an interesting case, and frankly all the Alpha Trions should be merged. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:43, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: So, any of 'em need removing? (Also, when did I ever admitmy gender either way?) [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:11, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::How about we wait until we have more information before dealing with any of this? I swear. We know so very little about how this new continuity family works with (or doesn't) what's come before, and sweeping changes like merging Alpha Trions may end up being messily reverted. How about we hold the hell off until we learn more. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:21, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::What about [[Nexus Prime]]'s article? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:31, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::What's '''wrong''' with it? Seriously? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:I'm asking about the need for a continuity identifier,which, as pointed out above is absent in some [[multiversal singularity|similar]] articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:18, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:: Those guys aren't made out of other guys. I am wondering very hard why this is an issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: I just want to know how things are supposed to be done so I could do said things properly. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:46, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

== Malware warning ==

I just got a malware warning when I tried to load the page, seemingly resulting from the css file included from [[User:Derik|Derik]]'s site emopanda. I'm taking the call to that script out of common.css until we can get it sorted. Most of the css is also in a local file that's already being included anyway, so hopefully nothing should break. The malware warning refers me to [http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://emopanda.com/&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US this page]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:15, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some Wikipedia user ==

From [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NotARealWord&oldid=381724818 my Wikipedia talk page]
{{note|Yes, I have different usernames on different wikis.}}

{{quote|I take it you don't know the TFWiki very well. It's server is run by [[David Willis|a guy]] who blocked Wikipedia Transformers editors from it He has publically stated that he started that server to have a place away from Wikipedia to make his articles. Anyone who edits in a proper Wikipedia style with limiting things to notable topics with reliable sources (which is me, by his standards) gets reverted and blocked|
User:Mathewignash|
}}

Okay, User:Mathewignash seems to be responsible for a lot of the TF fancruft on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Transformers Wikipedia]. Also has been trying to "save" articles nominated for deletion due to lack of notability. Makes me wonder:
* Is this person somebody the admins here are familiar with?
* How do I respond to that statement against TFWiki? Considering I was pretty welcomed here when I started. Should I point out the users who regularly use ''both'' sites?
* Is there some small corner of the [[fandom]] that likes buttloads of fancruft-y TF articles, but have something against using TFWiki?
* Is this person anything to do with the people asking TFWiki to be more like [[Wikipedia]], despite how its rules are '''very''' unsuitable for a TF-specific wiki? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:[[User:Primal Rage]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:53, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yes, the community here is very familiar with Mr. Ignash. He and Walky have a long history of feuding. Walky has stated that he came here to escape Ignash in particular, not wikipedia editors in general. In the few times I've run across Ignash he seems rather jerky, virtually everyone here seems welcoming to me. Don't know about point three. Not sure if Ignash has connections to any of the various people who don't like the wiki's tone, but your point about wikipedia being a bad model for a TF specific site is a good one. While we do strive for proper citations here, "notability" is not a valid criterion for this site. Few TF characters/concepts are truly notable in a real world sense. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:56, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::Thank you, I try to treat wikis differently since they have different purposes. What about the questions in bullet-point number two? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:01, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Your suggestion of mentioning people on both sites is a good idea, I edit on wikipedia under the same alias but much less frequently and even less substantially. Don't know about anyone else. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:07, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::I do. Rarely and with a different name, but I do. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:13, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Ignash is not worth responding to. Let him play in his turd-filled sandbox. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:21, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Correction. Nobody who thinks that Wikipedia is better than TFWiki is worth responding to. I have learned this the hard way. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:31, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::What about that bit about a small corner of the fandom? User:Dream Focus seems to also fit that description. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:43, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::Yes, there is a small corner of the fandom that likes the Wikipedia-style TF articles. However, I would like to know is where the hell you are getting this stuff about Dream Focus fitting that description. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::::To Item42, read the archives on Matthewignash's user talk page at wikipedia. The man can't even follow the rules that he exhorts as superior to ours. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:49, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Please, do point the above out to him. I'd do it myself but they blocked my IP because I decided that Wikipedia was a piece of crap and went on a massive, 40-account vandalism rampage. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:04, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::From what I can tell, Dream Focus is just against deletion of Wikipedia articles under non-notability, and may not be active in Transformers fandom. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:20, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:The issue, simply, is not with "other Wikipedia users" - it is with Ignash himself. There is a ''reason'' the Transformers articles on Wikipedia are such a jumbled mess of copy-pasted partially-overly-detailed summaries, gross generalizations and list after list of Optimus Prime's appearances in ''Family Guy'' and ''Robot Chicken'' that lack any kind of consistency between each other and he is mainly it. Nearly everyone who ever tried to edit constructively there came here because he never compromises on his stupid, stupid way of organizing an article, and we neither want nor require his presence here. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::It reminds me that I moved to Wikia (long before the Exodus) as soon as I found the TFwiki, and soon after that, I left Wikipedia(TF-related) as soon as I found TFwiki has more strict rules than Wikipedia does in some way (for example, we won't see any leak or unofficial information in TFwiki). (And yes, I can't stand some users on Wikipedia.) Plus, I feel Wikipedia is more harsh on fictional-related articles sometimes. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:41, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Once again, correction. It doesn't really matter what the subject is, it just matters if someone has an axe to grind and if there's an admin who is willing to completely ignore common sense so that the people holding the axes can come out on top. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:19, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Well, now it looks like Ignash can't always [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Transformers/Proposed_centralized_transformers_discussion come out on top]. Seems mostly him and Dream Focus trying to stop the article deletions. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:15, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

I think most of us at some point or other already came to the conclusion that Wikipedia was never going to have in-depth Transformers coverage. I'm pretty at-peace with that, because it was never realistic to think that they'd ever do it in the granularity that a dedicated wiki like this place can afford to do. Ignash came over here at one point, and I more or less went to bat for him, which I realize in retrospect was a mistake. The guy's very set in his ways, and he's poison to collaborative projects.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:37, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

:A general purpose encyclopedia (Wikipedia) cannot and should not have the same depth of coverage as dedicated references (tfwiki). Just as you wouldn't expect articles on every minor Shakespearean character on Wikipedia, you shouldn't expect every minor TF to have an article there. As far as going to bat for Ignash, I actually agreed with you standing up for him. Everyone deserves a chance to contribute. The problem was that he didn't want to contribute and collaborate and work within the guidelines here, because of that he is banned. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

::[[Wikipedia]] has just '''way''' too much TF fancruft. The big-time deletion "campaign" going on right now should be able to fix ''some'' of that. Hopefully. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:12, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

:::Dream Focus [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dream_Focus is on Wikia]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:19, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

===Wikipedia's TF Project===
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers|Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers]] 666 articles. Heh [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:26, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

== Dimension-hopping ==

Should that get an article? The "Fiction" sections on [[continuity]] and [[multiverse]] seem mainly about that. Comparing those sections, it seems they're somewhat... redundant. Maybe a separate article about dimension-hopping would be better. Maybe the article should also cover characters moving within the same [[continuity family]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:34, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:The "multiverse" really only appears in fiction when dimension-hopping is involved, so that's why the fiction section is all about dimension hopping. "Continuity" probably doesn't need a fiction section since it is pretty much a wiki thing explaining how the wiki is organized. You are right that we should talk about dimension-hopping in the same continuity. There is a mini-multiverse in the G1 cartoon episode [[Madman's Paradise]] that should be commented on. How does [[Menonia]] relate to the [[multiverse]]? That's a good question. I think that can be explored on the "multiverse" page though. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:53, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Would it be okay if I (or anybody else) removes the "fiction" section of "[[continuity]]" and puts up that information in "[[multiverse]]"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== User admonition templates ==

Is there a list of the various templates that can be placed on a user page to give them advice (editing tips, spelling, no scoops, no fanon, etc)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:27, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[:Category:User notice templates]]. There are some in there that rarely get used! --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:32, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks, NCZ. I could not remember the "correct english" one and couldn't find a page that had one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:58, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Can anyone explain to me why categories that apply to specific toys are put on the general article for the character that toy represents and not on the image of the particular toy? Why not put the category tags on the picture's own page? For example, [[Starscream (Movie)]] is not actually a Kmart exclusive, the Nebular Starscream toy is. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:33, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== Links that overexplain jokes ==

I got reverted on [[Soundwave (ROTF)]] because apparently, adding links to explain captions ruins them. (I didn't remove or change the joke, just added the links. )Should that be on the official caption policy? . Although, I'm rather concerned that more casual readers might not understand references (like "[[JaAm|hump that tank]]" for example), and I don't intend to confuse people. So really, is it so bad to explain jokes (through wikilinks) for the sake of people with little TF knowledge? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:08, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:Well, y'know what they say - "If you have to ''explain'' a joke, there ''is'' no joke." Personally, I've always loathed joke-explaining word-linking, especially when it's to something off-site. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:30, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::Personally, I think that adding those links introduce casual wiki-readers to more TF stuff, and that content should be written with more clueless readers in mind. Although, if it's just ''that bad'', maybe it should be mentioned on the policy page. It's easier to avoid doing things when you know you should. Also, what about on-site linking, like potholing "hump that tank" to [[jaAm]]? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:50, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
Anyway, can I (or anyone else) do at least a ''little bit'' of on-site caption linking?[[User:Item42|Item42]] 18:19, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:43, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Then can someone please put that up on [[Transformers Wiki:Caption]] so that people can be sure that's what the community as a whole wants, and not just the two people who responded here? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:55, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

== Next Hasbro Q&A Questions due Mon! ==

According to the Allspark the next round of Hasbro Q&A questions are due 1 week from today (Sept 13). I know we havn't even recieved the last set of answers back yet. But shouldn't we set up a page to take question submissions for next Mon. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:33, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

:Hey, how come we haven't gotten answers from the [[Hasbro Q&A/August 2010: Question submission|most recent one]] yet? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 17:20, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

::Because Hasbro's a busy place and they haven't had a chance to get them back to us yet. They're usually a week or two behind their estimated return date, nothing new there. This IS the first time I can recall where the next questions might be due before the last set of answers appears though. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== RFC Wiki Spotlight ==

What-ho. If any wiki contributors happen to be listeners of [http://www.tfradio.net Radio Free Cybertron], you may have noticed that I've started doing a small spot on the show called the "Wiki Spotlight", highlighting an interesting article each week and drawing attention to it. Thus far I've just done our featured articles of the last two months, but I figured I'd open up the floor to any and all random suggestions as to what articles - big or small, well-known or obscure - deserve a mention. Speak up! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:07, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[Angry Archer]] and [[Thor]]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:48, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::[[Sky-Byte (RID)]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:::[[Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III]]! -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:56, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::::[[Shockwave (G1)]] looks pretty good to me. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:38, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::[[Wheelie (G1)]], [[Scale]] and [[B.O.T. (episode)]] might be fun to feature. Can I also suggest that a link to the article mentioned be placed on the tfradio.net post accompanying the podcast, because it'll be easier for the listeners. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:48, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

A while back I tried to edit the [[fandom]] page to mention the Podcasts around at the time (TFWIRE, WTF@TFW and the joke that was the Tformers podcast at that time. But TPTB wiped the whole lot! That was a pretty big "Screw you!" to the podcasts. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 15:21, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

== Toy patents ==

User: Sarujo at Wikipedia posted a list of TF related patents. I have put them in [[User: Khajidha/sandbox|my sandbox]]. I've found and corrected a few errors/misidentifications already. Is this material useful or was it all already known? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:30, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:Interesting stuff. Do you mind if I go through the unknowns and put names on the ones I can identify? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:35, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Feel free, that's why I posted the link. I won't have time today to give it the thorough going over it deserves. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:39, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Thanks. And that, as they say, is that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:22, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::They still need to be resorted. Warpath wasn't a Microman mold and it would probably be useful to have the Scramble City molds separated. Beyond that, I don't know. I don't want to get it so sorted that it becomes LESS useful. If nothing else, I figured the notes about inventors/designers might be data otherwise hard to come by. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:32, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Anyone willing to go trolling through patent listings? We seem to be missing those for several members of various combiner teams. Perhaps they can be found by cross referencing those we do have? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:54, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::The designer data ALONE makes these worthwhile. That's awesome information. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:28, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I've conveyed our thanks to Sarujo over at Wikipedia. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:18, 13 September 2010 (EDT)

== Photos of toys ==
I found [[Wikipedia:Template:Non-free 3D art|this]] bit about copyright law.
*Does that mean ''every'' photo of an official TF figure needs a note like "character and toy design under copyright by [[HasTak]]"?
*Should this site also make a template like that?
*Would this be a good reason/excuse to copy photos from other fansites since ''your own photos'' (and anyone else's) would still have to go under fair use?
-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:47, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
: I think that specifically applies to non-US countries, particularly IIRC Germany (Nevermore, confirm/deny?). As the Wiki is hosted in the US it isn't really relevant... yet? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, the Wikipedia template in that link says:
{{quote|This is a two-dimensional representation of a copyrighted sculpture, statue or any other three-dimensional work of art. As such it is a derivative work of art, and per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106 US Copyright Act of 1976, § 106(2)] whoever holds copyright of the original has the exclusive right to authorize derivative works. 

Per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 § 107] it is believed that reproduction for criticism, comment, teaching and scholarship constitutes fair use and does not infringe copyright.}}
So it ''is'' US-relevant. Although, looking at the [[Wikipedia:Template talk:Non-free 3D art#totallydisputed|talk page]], it seems that said law(s) might not be something to take seriously. So, no stealing toy photos? If not, can I try to get the clearly stolen ones (like one section of [[:Image:20thAnniversary OptimusPrimesm.jpg|this]]) replaced? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:44, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:IIRC the law in question came up during (of all things) Batman Forever, when a copyrighted piece of industrial statue donated to a city as used as a shooting location in the film, got integrated into the sets, showed up on t-shirts and promotional cups, etc... the studio ended up paying millions in damages.
:Generally when I (rarely) take toy photos, I note that the '''photo''' is released to the public domain but ''Character likeness is {{c}} Hasbro 20XX'', making it clear that the ''photo'' is free, but its subject may not be. (Making a sculpture based on the photo would, obviously, present copyright issues.) Character likeness, IMO, seems like a better phrase to use than design since with multiple toys over decades, that's really what's being protected here-- not the transformation schema of mold D-22B.
:Part of what it means is that virtually '''no''' images on the wiki are eligible for "Copyleft," the status of absolute-public-domain with no entailment or restrictions. (This is not unique. A photo of your own family with a Coke ad in the background isn't eligible for Copyleft either.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:04, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::Derik, how do you release something in public domain if you can't release it under copyleft? Also, does this mean that it's okay to steal toy photos? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:04, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

== Galvatron ==
So in [http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2010/09/14/hasbro-transformers-qa-august-2010-answers/ ASM's Q&A response], Hasbro pretty much officially says to consider Galvatron a separate character from Megatron for all practical purposes. How do we tackle this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:I interpret it as saying that in inducting Megatron, Galvatron is not being inducted by connection, since [[Megatron (Animated)|not all Megatrons have become Galvatrons]], and some interpretations of Galvatron (like IDW) are separate from Megatron. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:00, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I don't think this really changes anything about the way we've already got Galvy covered. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:14, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

== Excessive Trivia Sections ==

Ok, a few days ago I attempted to clean up some trivia sections. I realize in hindsight I was tired and being a wanker and was removing valuable information, and I apologize for that. However, I think some of our trivia could definitely stand to be integrated into the articles themselves, especially notes like "This character's Universe toy was..." or "in the Energon comic, so-and so was completely different". I would like to integrate these but I was hoping to get an opinion on this, since I went about it wrong once already. Thoughts? -- [[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 12:44, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
:Agreed. The Notes sections (shouldn't be Trivia anymore) are for information that doesn't fit elsewhere. If there is a logical place to put it, move the information there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:58, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Editing Drift's related materials ==
Actually, this would cover whatever anyone of us have a '''large''' dislike of, but yeah. This is a wiki, where we're supposed to be informative and be able to present the info in a fun way. I'm not entirely sure of how objective we can be (humor aside), but the whole kerfluffle on Drift's mini and cameos showing in his mini is making me worried on the attitudes of certain editors that could easily descend into a editing/name-calling/accusation war. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:39, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
:My position is the Wiki doesn't have to be ''objective'', so long as it isn't ''unreasonable''. There are plenty of flaws in Drift and Shane McCarthy's work to poke fun of -- there's no reason to create ones that aren't true.
:I was re-reading Drift #1 and happened to notice he DID suffer damage from those laser blasts while fleeing. I remembered that note on the Wiki joking that he was "laser-proof", so I removed it. I also posted on the Talk page explaining why. Detour restored the Note several times anyway, even though it was false as written. He eventually tried to re-write it, adding something about Deadlock surviving blasts that blew off Jetstorm's head earlier. Nowhere in the comic did Jetstorm's head get blown off. Drench's did, notCarnivac's did, but Jetstorm was fine. It just shows that Detour doesn't care about being accurate so long as he's not giving an inch on anything Anti-McCarthy on the Wiki.
:So really -- can't we be ''better'' than that? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 22:05, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but I really think Detour shouldn't be allowed to edit anything connected to McCarthy. And I'm pretty much branded an irrational anti-McCarthy troll on the IDW boards, so I think this is saying something. I'm first in line to complain when ''he deserves it'', this sort of stuff is just petty and weakens the valid criticism by association. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:25, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::So because I mixed up Drench and Jetstorm's name, I'm now "making stuff up"? Now who's being irrational? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:39, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Please try to be accurate when editing articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 02:57, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I don't think you really comprehend this discussion and the situation leading up to it, Item42. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:17, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Um, people generally hate [[Drift (G1)|Drift]], this wiki's editors want to have reliable articles, and Detour got stuff mixed up, which people blame on his anti-Drift-ism. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:53, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

== External Links ==

Similar to the whole business of changing all the "Trivia" sections into "Notes" sections, this is just a heads up for anyone who wants to chip in for a mundane task: if you ever see a link to TFU.info (or a similar toy site) in the External Links section of a character's page, relocating it to that character's Toys section would be super-awesome. (And if the External Links section subsequently becomes empty, get rid of it.) I wouldn't really describe this as a task with much urgency behind it, but it will make characters' pages look consistent, and consistency looks nice. It's really a minor edit that's easy and quick to do, and I'd appreciate some help in this fiasco. An example of how this is supposed to look like can be found at [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal's toy section]]. So keep an eye out while you're bored and clicking that "Random Page" button. :) --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 12:37, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
:I've been trying to do these whenever I come across one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
==Who hosts your wiki now==
Wikia is making more unpopular changes, [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia] with a new skin which is even more unpopulat.

In this angry discussion, your site was mentioned as one site which said "f--- you wikia" and left, which I respect so much, and would like to emulate.

I am wondering who is hosting your wikia, and how much does it cost per year? If you could do it again, how would you do it differently? Who could I maybe ask these questions too?

Thank you. [[User:Adamtheclown|Adamtheclown]] 17:12, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:We're hosted on [http://www.slicehost.com/ Slicehost]. What you go for hostingwise will really depend on how popular your site is though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:25, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

== McAfee SiteAdvisor review rating this site incorrectly ==

As a countermeasure to viruses on the net, I have a special version of McAfee that has this widget-type thing that gives me ratings on the security of certain websites. I have noticed that this website was recently given a big, fat red "X" rating, showing that this website contains malware and other things, all because of one single rating that the reviewer said he did not like this website. He did not say this was a malware site, but the system apparently decided to take ''one'' person's personal opinion and rate this site as a horrible website so every time I go in, I get this asininely huge message saying "MCAFEE HAS TESTED THIS SITE AND FOUND IT TO BE BLAH BLAH BLAH".

I don't think that just one siteadvisor reviewer (myself) can turn around that rating. Sure, a website can be full of people with questionable morals and values, but that has no reflection on the security of the website. Can I have a little help here?

Here is the page for this website: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/tfwiki.net?premium=false&client_uid=1093063016&client_ver=3.1.0.175&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0-884&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0&pip=true --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 08:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

:Questionable "morals and values"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:27, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I feel like I know that guy from somewhere. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Gotta be [[User: Primal Rage|mignash]]. Also, how could it be a bad shopping experience, we don't SELL anything. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::No, mignash doesn't spell that well. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:43, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::People usually say "bad shopping experience" in place of "bad experience" because there is a bulleted selector so you don't have a lot of choices. What I don't like is having this website have a false security rating, I don't really care about that negative reviewer with the social rating. It's a ''security'' database, not how good or bad something is socially. Maybe the person was [[User:Trolly McTrollerson|Trolly McTrollerson]] and since he was b& he just wanted to troll even more? --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:45, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Meh. Considering David Willis's reputation as a "fandom boogeyman", stunts like this hardly surprise me. There's a lot of petty fans who apparently categorically refuse to edit this wiki out of hatred for Willis (which apparently also stops them from editing at Wikia as well, go figure...) and who basically go "Yeah? I know Transformers! I'm going to make my own Transformers wiki! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the wiki!". So, yeah. Hardly surprising. I've dropped off a review myself, but it still doesn't appear to be enough to raise the rating... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:11, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== Fan-configurations of toys ==

(From [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fan-mode|here]], I'm not sure who "User:Divebomb" is though)
Should we have an article on how people would have made-up modes of their toys just because the toys can be configured that way (such as that "combination" of Classics Jetfire and Optimus Prime)? Or maybe just mention that stuff in an article somewhere (like [[Toy]])?
{{note|I'm not suggesting we mention that on individual character ''pages'', cos that will just spiral out of control.}}

-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I find it odd that we don't have a fan-mode article here. It seems like it would be a valid topic, and a few famous/infamous examples should be mentioned on that page. I agree that we don't need to mention them on individual pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:37, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::FYI, User:Divebomb would happen to be me. (Don't tell the Wikipedia guys that though.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Once you admitted to something on a ''publically viewable'' webpage, there's really no stopping the info from getting out. You didn't have to admit who it was ''specifically''. But, I guess if you're gonna be good over there, you ''might'' be allowed to stay. Doesn't Wikipedia have something for reformed vandals? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:53, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::You're assuming they're even gonna notice. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::I like being honest. If anybody asks, I can tell them who "Divebomb" is, since I never agreed to keep it secret. Don't tempt me. Also, we (both of us) should get back on topic. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:52, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I think it is certainly a good idea to make a page such as that! I happen to be very interested in this kind of thing because I, too used to dick around with my toys and I want a wiki article on it; I don't want to search around on geoshitties-type websites for such things. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== [[Frank Miller]] ==

A bit of an edit war or something [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Frank_Miller&action=history here]. [[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] and [[User:Detour|Detour]] changed the caption to a [[david Willis|Shortpacked]] reference, changingthe caption to a picture '''I uploaded'''. Isn't that [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|wrong]] or somesuch? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:54, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I guess if other people dislike a joke, then it's okay to change the caption, I think. A while ago, Eire changed a caption I added on [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]'s page, but I didn't mind because the new one was funnier. If you take offense, however, that's something that needs to be discussed.--[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:58, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thing is, their edits put in an '''external link''', that explains the joke. If you look further up this page there's (currently) a section with me getting told by [[Chris McFeely]] and Interrobang that doing so would be a ''bad''thing. If I have to stop doing that, then so should they. Plus, changing a caption like that is discouraged by policy. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:02, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh lordy McLordlord. Okay, first of all. "Who the hell do you think I am?" was Kamina's catchphrase and that's why Konishi gets it. "WTHDYTIA" is merely a small portion of the larger "What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!", and generally the first part to be left out when it's misquoted because it's so forgettable there compared to what comes before and after it. It's really a poor-ass choice of words for Miller's caption any way you look at it. Second of all, the Shortpacked link does not, as you put it, "explain the joke". The joke doesn't need explaining if you know ANYTHING about Miller, that's why it turned meme mere moments after Willis put it up. It's there because that's where the joke originated, and the comic's funny. Just because there's a link in a caption doesn't mean it's a deliberate attempt at explaining a joke. Look around and you'll see plenty of other captions with such links within them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:17, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Ahem,
#I know both lines pretty well.
#Just because people do that a lot,doesn't mean it should be done (the caption page has a list of jokes this community is sick of)
#It would be much better if this wiki's pages policy give more comprehensive/complete advice.
[[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:23, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

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== TFsource ad buy ==

TFsource contacted me, having seen our perennial Reprolabels ad up above and wanting in on a piece of the action, wanting to permanently buy one of our other ad spots. The question I have is, would/should we restrict them from ads depicting "third-party" toys and bootlegs? Perhaps this is the ghost of BotCon hovering over me, since their Wall Of Trademark And Copyright Theft Directly Facing the Hasbro Booth is prominent in my mind, and I know a few of the editors here expressed some displeasure with that. Is that a big deal for anyone, does anyone care in this context, or should I be all "ABSOLUTELY!" and then we make a deal and rake in the dough? Can we even judge, since we have, you know, all of this scanned material and whatnot? These are the questions I present. Tell me how much they matter. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:24, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:All else being equal I'd prefer to avoid it, unless we're desperate for cash. We know some Hasbro staff look at this wiki and they've been clear in how much that stuff bugs them. Also, the more our pageviews include imagery of Fake Magnus Armor and Fake Springer and Fake Rod et al., the more we're going to have to deal with new arrivals who feel that's all kosher for inclusion in the main articles. If it's possible to get a TFSource ad that will never display a bootleg, then I'd have no problem with it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:36, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Seems like a reasonable restriction for us to make to me. My take on our scans is that one, we generally err on the side of fair use in not uploading entire pages and making sure we credit the hell out of things, and two, they're not a 100% vital part of the wiki anyway--if Hasbro told us to take every scan down tomorrow we could comply and still have a perfectly usable (just a less visually exciting) wiki. 
::That's kind of different from openly advertising toys that totally violate Hasbro's copyright, though. Even aside from the legal tangles (which is no small aside, certainly), while I know we are in that murky grey area in some things, we ''have'' always tried to play as fair as we can with Hasbro in how we operate. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:40, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree, no knockoffs in our ads if we can help it.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:44, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ditto on no knockoffs in the ads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:59, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::ALL ABOARD THE DITTO ASTROTRAIN --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:07, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::N-O on the K-Os. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, if TFSource can give us ad without IP infringing product, I say let em in. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:17, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Yikes, I'm looking at the side banner right now and it's full of IP infringing products. The one I see has Knight Morpher Commander, Crossfire Munition and Explorer and Warbot Defender. The only ACTUAL Transformers product in there is Masterpiece Ghost Starscream. I think it would be bad form to keep ads like that on the site. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:19, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Ads without IP infringing material would be fine with me. [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]] 18:56, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Ugh. When they were allowed to buy the ad space, did they promise no knock-offs? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::Big NO on knockoffs, including third-party. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:51, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I am cool with them buying adspace IF they only advertise official Transformers products. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:14, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::I say YES to having the Third party stuff on here. As you can see by the continuity discussion above Hasbro don't really give a damn about Transformers fiction the way we do. The third party stuff proves that those guys have passion that many in Hasbro do not. And "knock-offs" is a bit harsh, no? So in summary, screw Hasbro and yeah Fansproject! And let's be honest if the choice as to who controls Transformers came down to a two-way battle between Hasbro and TFWiki, who would you pick? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:44, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Drmick, we're talking '''''IP infringement''''' here and we occasionally have actual Hasbro folks peek in here time to time. I think I speak for the others in that none of us wants them knocking on the wiki's doors with some form of a C&D or something that'll restrict us (save certain circumstances). We've probably toed a couple lines somewhere more than several times, and I for one, do NOT want our relationship with Hasbro to be messed up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 12:22, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::What LG said. Also, we're not talking about putting Fansproject's knockoffs on the wiki itself... just adspace for sites dedicated to selling such knockoffs. And I'm giving that idea a big fat ''hell no''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:49, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::No doubt the only reason the ad is still up is because Walky's on the road. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:38, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::What ad are you guys seeing? All I see is a Project Wonderful sidebar ad (current bidder is Unreal Books) and reprolabels permanent banner up top. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::I'm seeing a TFSource ad ABSOLUTELY FULL of pics of third-party stuff. And MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:57, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::Yeah, for some reason I'm not seeing any of that. I just see two Project Wonderful ads on the left hand side "Advertisement" sidebar, so TF Source's ad must be triggered by IP address or something. Also, if the ad is already up after only one day (or less) of community consultation, and Walky's not around to deal with administration problems relating to it (especially as there is a fear of how TF Source's wares would look to Hasbro), then that's poor planning on his part, (no offense intended, boss.) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:02, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::Weird, it's gone for me, now. Where it was I have a Project Wonderful ad displaying Akemi's Anime World. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:11, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::Still there for me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:36, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::Just tried it on another browser that I never use (in case there's some cache thing on the main browser - no change, I don't see the TF Source banner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::Project Wonderful ads are localized, guys. TFSource probably just shelled out the dough for their ad in the States only. I've never seen it up, myself. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:34, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::I'm in ''Poland'', Detour. That's on an entirely different ''continent'' than the US. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:37, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::I'm in Canada, and I have seen it. I just don't see it anymore. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:44, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::Wait, you're Polish? I had no idea. You talk gooder English than me. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:39, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::::::::::::: The advert's currently only displaying in Europe. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:26, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::::::::: No wonder, all I see are just two Project Wonderful random ads. And I'm in Taiwan. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 05:52, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TFsource said they were willing to give us a banner that has no third-party stuff on it! Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yeh, that sounds nice to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:09, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

::And it should be noted that during the time we were displaying the "offending" ad, we had not yet agreed to have an adspace bought out by TFSource. They'd just bought the ad the normal way, and as they'd been a prior bidder, they were pre-approved.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:13, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Excellent - my apologies, Walky. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:00, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
That sidebar ad with the knock-off Swindle, Springer, and HoS Optimus has started showing up for me again, in Canada if that's relevant. It had stopped showing up less than a day after I first saw it, but now it's there again. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 23:46, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

:Another Canadian here. Same situation as Cattleprod. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:58, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

::Me too, same ad as before, knockoffs and all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:12, 12 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yep, knock-off ad here too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:44, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

::::On the Project Wonderful site, both the Canadian and EU traffic are seeing the version of the banner with the Munitioner upgrade sets, Knight Morpher Commander and Warbot Defender. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:24, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Now I see THE ad, too. (Taiwan, Asia) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

Welp, Californian and now I'm seeing the Munitioner set, alongside Knight Morpher and Warbot Defender with MP Ghost Starscream. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:26, 14 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm in Ohio and getting Naruto vol. 48 as the ad. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 02:45, 14 July 2010 (EDT)

::TFSource's knockoffs ad is back for Canadian and European visitors. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:59, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Seeing all sorts of KOs advertised now. Can we void their contract and keep their money as a fine for breaking their agreement with us? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:02, 15 July 2010 (EDT)PS- since when is NC in Europe/Canada?

:::Welp, [http://img535.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead01.jpg/ this] [http://img693.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead02.jpg/ I certainly] [http://img14.imageshack.us/i/tfsourcead03.jpg/ agree]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:05, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Same here, and I'm American. I'm only sort of mentioning this because they let someone steal my credit card. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 22:50, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::As mentioned, we haven't actually committed to any deal yet with them, and any ads you see are them going through the standard Project Wonderful process. They've bought ads with us before, and thus as long as they have the high bid, they're pre-approved. They're going to have the proposed first-party-products-only ad to submit to Walky sometime next week.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:11, 17 July 2010 (EDT)

====Guys====
There is no "contract" to "void." Their permanent ad buy hasn't STARTED. They've been advertising with those particular ads for months. You've just finally noticed them because I brought them up. We haven't even discussed what the ad space will cost them since I've been busy and they said they won't have a new ad for us for about a week anyway. So, like, chill out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:31, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:For months? Huh... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:21, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

====And it's done====
TFsource owns our skyscraper until whenever they don't want to anymore. It's all official stuff, so everyone happy? (Yay!) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:Can we please somehow code it to say "This ad comes with a 100% chance of not causing us headaches" beneath the ad? (Nah, not really.)
:Also, I'm happy. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

:Looks awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:29, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:That looks great! Nice and slick-looking. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:55, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Simon Furman's IDW pitch ==

So here's a thing. The following text is Simon Furman's original pitch for Transformers comics when IDW took up the license, printed in the back of the "Best of Simon Furman" hardback collection. I skimmed this a few years back when the book was released and it passed under my nose at work, but since then, we've never had any of the info on the wiki, and I've never seen any discussion of it on any forums - presumably because none of us actually BOUGHT the dang thing, since we own all these stories in multiple formats already. I borrowed the book and transcribed the pitch so that anyone interested can read it, and we can maybe actually do something with the info. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:01, 8 July 2010 (EDT)
:Hmm. I've never seen this before. It's pretty interesting that Furman was itching to do Cybertron , which is weird, because by the time IDW was announced as the new comic licensee, Cybertron had started. Would take awhile to get a Cybertron comic up and running, I would think. By the time it came out, it might be already too late. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:58, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::It wouldn't surprise me if that's why it was modified so much. But, um, should we be duplicating this sort of material here? I mean, sure, The Best of Simon Furman wasn't the most popular book, but isn't this just copyright infringement? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 03:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, that was on my mind as I was transcribing it. I don't really intend to permanently house this anywhere - I just wanted to get it up so people could get a look, take in the info, maybe do something wiki-related with it, then I'd scrub it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:18, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

TRANSFORMERS… A NEW DIRECTION

A Proposal For IDW

--Simon Furman--

In the (Armada/Energon) Cybertron timeline…

…UNICRON IS DESTROYED, utterly wiped out of existence by a seismic shock warhead detonated deep within its superstructure (events which would be visited retroactively in any subsequent ‘Energon’ conclusion issues).

But as one threat to Cybertron ends, another has only just begun. A rift in time and space – a massive ‘chronal’ black hole formed by the annihilation of Unicron – is threatening to suck Cybertron in, tear it apart in an internal maelstrom of deconstructed space and time. Only by anchoring the planet, via a spacebridge, to Earth’s energon core can Cybertron maintain its tenuous position, but it’s at best a quick fix. To seal the rift, they need the power of PRIMUS, the progenitor of the entire TRANSFORMERS race. But while a fragment of the dormant Primus lifeforce exists within Cybertron, the rest is lost, scattered throughout the universe, buried deep within strange, alien worlds.

Roused (from eons of chronal stasis in a dimension outside of normal space and time) by the impending cataclysm, the immortal sentinel known as Vector Prime spearheads the search for the Primus lifeforce, guiding Optimus Prime and his Autobots on a quest that will take them to aliens worlds in the farthest corners of the galaxy and beyond. But where Prime and the Autobots go… Megatron and the Decepticons are never far behind.

Clad in the armor of Unicron, fuelled by a fragment of his Spark, Megatron has become a true agent of chaos. He’s prepared to sacrifice Cybertron, Earth and any other world in order to contain and absorb the lifeforce of Primus himself, his ultimate aim to transform himself… into a living god!

And the ‘Cybertron’ timeline is not the only one to feel the effects of the destruction of Unicron. In fact… it’s one of the lucky ones.

<<In all the disparate timelines, all the myriad dimensions, there is but one Unicron. Though physical presence is limited to a single reality at any given time, it exists simultaneously in countless dimensions, shadows of its vast, ancient consciousness inextricably interwoven into the complex geometry of time and space. Its destruction in the Cybertron timeline creates ripples, which become shockwaves, which gather force, become a tidal wave of destruction. In some realities, the effect of the ‘chaos wave’ is total, instantaneous, entire timelines… wiped out. In others, the initial effect is less pronounced, a dramatic event heralding a slow descent into space/time anarchy.>>

In the G1 timeline…

…CYBERTRON IS DESTROYED! The resident Autobots and Decepticons barely have time to evacuate the planet, to eject the core of the planet and it’s precious Vector Sigma cargo (an eventuality made feasible way back when [in The War Within v3]) before the planet is torn apart, smashed into component molecules by the roiling chaos wave. Many Cybertronians don’t make it at all, and are simply wiped out. In a shockingly short time, Cybertron is gone. Forever.

Shocked, stunned, bereft of their homeworld, the remaining populous finds itself spread far and wide throughout the galaxy, seeking (in the Autobots’ case) safe harbor or (in the Decepticons’ case) new worlds to conquer… and colonise. Megatron’s Decepticons have perfecting ‘mechaforming’ technology, invasive, self-replicating machinery designed to restructure the entire geological substructure of a planet, in effect turn it into a new Cybertron. And since the Decepticons are indifferent to the presence or fate of any indigenous civilizations on the planet(s) of choice, it’s down to the Autobots to stop them… at any cost.

Earth, always a pivotal world in the G1 timeline, becomes even more of a focal battleground. Its natural resources are a potent brew that – with the right exploitation and manipulation – can be turned into energon, the lifeblood of the Transformer race. In Decepticon hands the whole world would be turned into a vast refinery, bled dry to fuel the creation of the ‘new’ Cybertron.

And Optimus Prime has an even more pressing concern. Contacted by Vector Prime (who can move within all remaining TF timelines), he is warned that the omniversal geometry is critically out of alignment. The removal of – for want of a better word – ‘evil’ has disturbed an age-old natural balance. Though it goes against every Autobot credo, they must somehow resurrect the dark force known, among other things, as Unicron! The key is the so-called ‘Decepticon Matrix’, a quasi-mythical power source spread throughout the galaxy. Said to be fragments of Unicron itself, released in some apocalyptic confrontation with Primus before the dawn of time, its retrieval and coalescence could restore the balance and dissipate the chaos wave.

Reluctantly, with grave reservations (and considerable dissent in the Autobot ranks) Prime forges an uneasy alliance with two of Unicron’s heralds, Cylonus and Scourge, both of whom are dedicated to the rebirth of their master (for different reasons). But, unknown to Prime, they have a secondary agenda, a plan to use a fragment of the Decepticon Matrix to destroy Megatron… and recreate him as the unstoppable force known as Galvatron!

<<And so, in one timeline, the Autobots seek to make Primus whole once more, while in another, they seek to resurrect the spirit of Unicron, leading ultimately to the new, universe-shaking confrontation between the two ancient forces… one that will (briefly) unite all remaining TRANSFORMERS timelines and continuities in an epic battle for survival.>>

CYBERTRON #0 (AND ONGOING)/G1 #0 (AND ONGOING)

Amidst the larger framework of the ‘chaos wave’ saga, the ongoing thrust of Cybertron is a focused series of one or two-part (largely self-contained, featuring different character assortments) adventures set on Cybertron, Earth and the key planets (Speed, Beast and Giant) that support its core quest… the search for the lifeforce of Primus. At every turn, the Autobots are confounded and frustrated by the Decepticons, but in the process forge new alliances and friendships, both on Earth and beyond. It’s a race against time… with the fate of Cybertron (and more) hanging in the balance.

The G1 title expands the scope and reach of the line, exploring wider character/conflict story arcs (while pulling in much more fan-friendly past and future continuity) and dramatically shaking the whole TRANSFORMERS mythos to its core, streamlining and redefining the sometimes confusing mass of ‘alternate’ timelines. But as with Cybertron, the focus will shift to different groups of Autobots/Decepticons on different worlds, faced with differing agendas and challenges.

The issue #0s will be mirror-images of each other, both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an omniverse in chaos, threatened on all fronts. His narrative will serve to encapsulate what has gone before while his actions introduce the primary cast and lay the groundwork for what is to come.

===Noticed something===

{{quote|both told from the perspective of Vector Prime as he awakens to an '''omniverse''' in chaos}}

Some use of the word [[omniverse]]. Wow. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:16, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

===Added it in somewheres===
I've added references to that thing at [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] and [[Cybertron (franchise)]]. Did I do it right? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:21, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

== Usernames ==

Our latest user [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] has what I consider to be a somewhat inflammatory username considering the how many arguments ensue regarding the live-action movies. It's probable that you would have difficulty registering on a forum with such a username. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:I was thinking the same thing. We blocked some guy from registering such a name referencing Detour, why should we allow such statements against Bay? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:09, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::Yeah, I also thought his name was inappropriate. I don't think personal threats would be acceptable here, particularly about such a controversial figure in Transformers fandom. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::On Wookieepedia we routinely block people for having inappropriate names. I see no reason why we shouldn't have a similar policy here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:19, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::How he creates a new account and the old one is blocked? Some of his edits aren't too bad; I don't see why he shouldn't get a second chance. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:21, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::Block the old account, post a nice note explaining that we want him to stay and continue working but that he cannot use a name that is attacking/insulting any person. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:32, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::I am in support of this, but he should be informed via his talkpage for one full day prior to the block, for the sake of not being too harsh. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:04, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::I fully agree with Detour. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:18, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Now we just need to find an actual admin. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:12, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::And set the thing right. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:47, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::::Well, he ignored Abates. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:52, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::::I was [[User:Michaelbayblows|Michaelbayblows]] but then I kinda stop using it because some mind find it offensive. So I am sorry for my inflammatory username. --[[User:HeyTFWiki|HeyTFWiki]] 05:17, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Official sources policy ==

Recently, some of us have been explaining to a user why video from a cellphone camera of the movie set cannot be taken as official sources. I was going to link to the official sources page when I realized that I do not know what it's called and cannot find it. Which brings me to this point: we actually took the time to write out and codify our what we consider to be official sources, right? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:It's at [[Help:Official info]]. And next time, somebody should probably just place the <nowiki>{{scoop bastard}}</nowiki> template. (I was going to but couldn't find a good chance.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:26, 10 July 2010 (EDT)

== Disgusting ad ==
Sorry if I'm posting this at the wrong place, but is there anywhere we can complain about the ads on the wiki? Not to overstep my (very modest) bounds here or anything, but that ad with the GIANT PIMPLE on the back of the guy's neck is really off-putting... You've probably all seen it by now right? I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks this... Call me squeamish if you will, but it's really bothering me... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:40, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm with this 100%. I'm so glad I haven't eaten a thing all day, because I'd have lost my breakfast and my lunch by now. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:49, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't mind so much if it would only pop up occassionally (then again, my gross tolerance is relatively high). But to be confronted with the world's largest zit every page I go on this wiki... Rather not. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:55, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I checked the PW sites - must have been outbid so I missed it. What the heck was it for? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:37, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::::It was for a website ''about the world's largest pimple!'' It was [http://www.worldslargestzit.net this] I believe. SO not missing that ad. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:19, 16 July 2010 (EDT)

==Disamb template on calendar pages?==
So while fiddling around with the latest additions to our "day in history" pages, I got to thinking. Separating bullets with a blank line adds to our pages' sizes because that adds a "list start/stop" in the coding, yes? 
Well... does the <nowiki>{{disamb}}</nowiki> Template do that when we split that up with a blank line between them? The only real difference we ''see'' on the page is a "—" instead of a ":" after the bolded year. I fiddled with it a bit (without saving) and it looks good to me; I'll probably do up a Sandbox. If using this template doesn't add to the page size in the back-end that we don't see in the normal edit window... it sure would make it easier to read in said edit window, plus give the lists that litlte extra space between lines for readability on the normal pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:45, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yes, putting spaces between {{tl|disamb}} also causes the problem whereby each item is in its own list. We can space out the more compact lists on the normal pages using css, but I don't think there's any way to space them out on the edit window due to the way MediaWiki parses stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:43, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well, that's goddamn irksome. It's too easy to get lost in a mass of unbroken text in the edit window. but if we can add jsut a little space between items in the final result, I'll be happy. Though this does beg the question of whether we should move over to using the disamb template anyway for calendars. Probably ought to be going over our disambiguation pages and bringing them up to code anyway (well, where dates are applicable). At the very least, I'm liking the use of em-dashes instead of colons. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:23, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

==TF Wiki Firefox Search Engine Add-On==
I'm surprised that one wasn't created a long time ago. It would make things incredibly convenient, and it can't be that hard to make. Anyone else like the idea? Anyone here have experience?
--[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:27, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:Please elaborate. What function exactly would such an add-on serve? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:32, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
::None. You can add the wiki to the search engines list without messing with addons. Just go to a page on the wiki, and click on the down arrow in Firefox's search box. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:38, 21 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Wow, I must be blind. Thanks guys. There should be something on the home page encouraging visitors to do just that. Might help with traffic. --[[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 15:50, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

== In regards to expo 86. ==

Hey, Editor from Seibertron.com here. The front page list a request about "Information on the Transformers presentation at Vancouver's Expo '86".

I was about 11 then but I spent a lot of time at Expo during that summer. I don't remember any presentations per say, but I do remember that Hasbro (or at least Hasbro Canada) did have a presence. Namely they had 3-4 outdoor kiosks located around the fair, these were freestanding units with each one branded with one of four Hasbro properties, I clearly remember one being for Transformers and another for My Little Pony, the other(s) escape me at the moment but I am fairly certain that GIJoe wasn't there, and one could have been a generic Hasbro one. Additionally, one proper store was set up more for kids goods in the Red Zone near the Land Plaza and UFOH2O, that stocked the same items.

Due to the size of the units a good amount of available items were blister packs mainly Scamble City units. Boxed TF's were available but in smaller amounts (For some reason I want to say a good number of Wreck-gars and Gnaws were there) Sadly due to the location everything was more expensive than they could be found for at local stores. What was cool is that each of the kiosks regardless of how they were branded had a bit of everything, and they occasionally had loose pieces on hand. (I do remember playing with a Swindle at the actual TF Kiosk.

Don't know if that really helps but hopefully it did. Feel free to contact me thru Seibs if you have any questions.

:Hmm, that's interesting, though, it being your memories from about 24 years ago, I'm not sure how "article information"-worthy it is. Would you happen to have any photos taken of the event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:25, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

::Not in my personal collection, but since writing the above I have been looking thru some online records of the fair to see if I can spot those kiosks. If I remember correctly where a couple were I might be able locate some. If I can find them I'll post here.

:::In our anon's defense, I offer the following taken from a story titled "Expo '86 a hit at luring firms through turnstiles" written by Jennifer Hunter, and published in the May 1st, 1986 edition of ''The Globe and Post'':
::::Expo is offering corporate exclusivity; there was already a soft-drink manufacturer, a car maker and a bank, but no toy company. Hasbro - with 1985 sales of $1.2-billion (U.S.) and profit of $99-million - is one of the largest toy manufacturers in North America and seemed a likely candidate to fork over dollars for a world's fair.

::::Mr. Hassenfeld and his brother Stephan could not resist the Expo slogan - Invite the World. A global showcase for Hasbro toys was too good an offer to turn down. So the Hassenfeld brothers delivered a cheque for $2-million (Canadian) to sponsor the Expo Centre geodesic dome. In return, Hasbro toys will be sold on the fair site.

::::"Bringing the name Hasbro before the public is the major reason we are participating," Mr. Hassenfeld said.

:::So it looks like his memories are probably accurate. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:22, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

::::Hopefully '''''whomever asked for this information in the first place''''' will pop in and comment. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:53, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Titan Magazines ==

Is there a reason why none of the Titan Movie comics pages have Featured Character boxes? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:It is highly possible that the pages (or at least the sections) are still under working. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:52, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

::They seem pretty complete other than the featured character lists. Not sure what's up with that! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:26, 29 July 2010 (EDT)

:::*makes note to add Featured Character boxes to as many Titan Movie comics pages as possible sometime in the near future* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:53, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== No Hasbro Q and A? ==

Just wondering: Are we not participating in the Hasbro QandA's any more? We apparently didn't submit anything to the last one (along with a lot of other places weirdly, did Hasbro trim the list of who could ask or something?). Anyway, according to the Allspark the next set of questions are due Aug 9th, just wanted to see if anyone knew what was up? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:30, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
: We didn't send in questions because they were due during BotCon and we messed up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::Well it's kinda understandable. We were hardly the only ones to miss it, given the slim list of sites with questions for July. Anyway, we'll have question solicitation for August open soon then? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:45, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== An article on racing ==

Not sure if this is exactly the right place to ask this, but...

Would an article on [[racing]] be appropriate for the wiki? Races do seem to crop up a lot in TF fiction. Off the top of my head, I can think of the [[Trans-Europe Express]] (G1), the race series where [[Road King]] was found (Masterforce), the nutty race where everyone tried to lure out [[Skid-Z (RID)|Skid-Z]] (RID), the one the Autobots had after Inferno died (Energon), [[Velocitron]]'s entire culture (Cybertron), and [[Street Demon]] (Animated).

Aye or nay? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 13:23, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
: If there's enough races, perhaps a category would suffice? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::Might I suggest [[Cybertronian_sport#Races|here]] as a starting point.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:37, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Didn't know about that page. Yeah, that's more appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 17:52, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Fan translated manga images. ==

I noticed quite a few images of manga that have fan translations in the word bubbles. It the wiki cool with that? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:55, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Well, I for one don't mind, because it lets me understand what's going on... it's official media, just translated by fans. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:58, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
::If the person uploading it can vouch for the accuracy of the translation, then I have no problem with it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:04, 8 August 2010 (EDT)

== Movie 1 characters vs drones ==

Am I alone in thinking maybe we should split up pages like [[Longarm (Movie)]] and [[Swindle (Movie)]] into pages that cover the individual characters and the drones in their likeness separately? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:56, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:I'd agree with that. I thought we had already done that for some of them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:36, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

:::I agree with the splitting if possible. Since individual characters are much different from drones. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:20, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Split 'em. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:33, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Reissues and rereleases ==

Which reissues deserve to be listed separately from their original release? For some reason, reissues of G1 toys have been listed separately on some pages but not on others. I think [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s toy page mentions aimsing to list all reissues separately. The 2010 [[Piranacon]] reissue is listed separately, but not the 2010 [[Predaking]]. Also, the toys rereleased in [[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] are listed separately on the character pages even though they're ''completely'' unchanged, unlike some reissues of G1 figures. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:35, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:I think part of that is simply older pages not having been updated since the decision was made to separate reissues (At least I'm pretty sure we are aiming to keep them separate). Newer reissues, like the Predaking, have probably been handled in the way the poster in question had seen such things done on other pages, leading to continuing inconsistency. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:58, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
::So, the current standard is to list releases separately? Is that on any help or policy page? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:12, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Wikia ==

Thank god we jumped ship when we did, because Wikia is planning on switching to a new skin.

[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia Preview]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:43, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

:They must have switched already? Because every single Wikia site is completely effed up in IE7 now. --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 18:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::No, they haven't. They're having technical problems with the server they use for css and images. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:12, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

== Explicitly Saying Characters Are Similar To Earlier Characters Of Same Name ==

On the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] talk page, [[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] is saying that characters that are homages to earlier characters of the same name need to have this pointed out, in something like the form "Blackarachnia (Animated) is based on the original Blackarachnia (BW), who first appeared in the Beast Wars franchise."
* Is this a good idea, as it will help people who are new to Transformers learn about the history of the brand?
* Is it unnecessary to point out that characters are similar to earlier characters of the same name, since it's very common, and would involve altering lots of pages?
* Other?
[[User:JW|JW]] 19:18, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:Blackarachnia (Animated) has a lot of similarities and also a lot of differences with Blackarachnia (BW). I don't think I'd go so far as to say she was "based on" Blackarachnia (BW). Swindle (Animated), on the other hand, is a direct transplant of Swindle (G1). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:47, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

::It may seem like a total DUH kind of thing to all the long-time TF fans who inhabit this place, but for our readers, such information seems totally relevant and useful. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:05, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::There's a friggin' disambig right up top in a separated box for... all the charcaters who have the same name! Wow! And we're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of pages where we'd have to do this. It's not quite "This is a picture of Megatron" level DUH, but it's in the ballpark. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:53, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I honestly don't understand what the disambigs have to do with this. The only information they are there to convey is "there are other characters with this name, go to this separate page for a list." They don't in any way tell you "this character who's article you're reading now was based on this other one." Especially since many characters who share the name don't actually have any other relationship to each other. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:15, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Characters with the same name as each other within the same brand are expected to be similar (if not identical) to each other, with older ones serving as inspiration for later ones. If characters of the same name are not similar would seem to be more notable than if they are similar. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:09, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::The Prowls, Scavengers, Razorclaws, and Bonecrushers tend to have very little to do with one another. Note that the main page for the Animated franchise points out that so many of the characters are clear homages to their earlier-series namesakes too. Since it has been over 10 years since the first Blackarachnia did anything, I don't see the harm in putting a one-liner at the top of BA-Animated's "Notes" section saying she's totally based on the first one. Kil is right--it wouldn't be "just so obvious" to a 14-year-old who was brought in by the movies and Animated. To a newcomer, why would it be especially obvious that Animated Ironhide and Blitzwing are based on namesakes from Cold War-era cartoons they never saw? Where's the harm in just one line? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:29, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I have to agree that it's not going to be obvious to someone coming in from the Movie or Animated, or even the Unicron Trilogy that many of the homages are homages. Especially Ratchet, given the drastically different color scheme Movie Ratchet (Rescue Ratchet toys notwithstanding) has compared to the others. I admit, it might seem a litte weird to make what seems to us to be such an obvious note on so many pages but if our goal is to make this Wiki accessible and informative to fans of all levels then I think it's necessary to do so.
::::::And for BA's case, I think it additionally warrants mentioning Binaltech Blackwidow as a direct inspiration. Because even though most of the design cues come originally from her first and TM2 incarnations, I don't think you get to Animated BA with the combination of attributes (and the black gloves) without going through the Binaltech version first. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:06, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I feel it's necessary to point out that a newcomer is probably not going to get to the [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] page without passing through [[Blackarachnia (disambiguation)]] first. So, they're gonna be made aware of the Beast Wars character. (Sure, they might get there through other means, but it's not the most likely route.)
::::::However, if the consensus is leaning toward allowing notes of the form "Foo is based on Foo of same name," how do we decide which characters need it? Just from Animated, here's all the characters who visually homage previous characters of the same name: Arcee, Big Bang Prime, Blackarachnia, Blackout, Blitzwing, Blurr, Botanica, Brawn, Bumblebee, Bumper, Cliffjumper, Cosmos, Cyclonus, Dai Atlas, Devcon, Flip Sides, Grimlock, Highbrow, Hot Shot, Hot Spot Major, Impactor Major, Ironhide, Jazz, Laserbeak, Longrack Major, Mainframe, Mixmaster, Octus, Omega Supreme, Omega SPREEM, Optimus Prime, Perceptor, Powerglide, Primal Major, Railspike Major, Ratbat, Ratchet, Reflector, Rodimus Prime, Rosanna, Seaspray, Silverbolt Major, Sky-Byte, Soundwave, Spittor, Springer, Starscream (Thundercracker, Skywarp, Ramjet, Dirge, Thrust, Sunstorm), Steeljaw, Straxus, Strika, Swindle, Swoop, Tracks, Warpath, Wheeljack, Zaur. (I left out the Witwickys and some of the Bumblebee-clones.) Do we add that note to ''all'' of them? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:49, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
In the absence of any strong support either way on this issue, I'm going to assume our current implicit policy holds: When a new character is based on an old character of the same name, explictly pointing it out is neither required nor prohibited. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:14, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity note ==

Which articles don't need one. [[Vector Prime]] doesn't but [[Nexus Prime]] and [[Alpha Trion (Prime)]] ''do''. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:42, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:...what? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:32, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::He means as multiversal singularities the One, Primus, Unicron, Prima, Fallen and Vector don't have continuity notes at the top indicating which franchise they're from. Nexus is just an interesting case, and frankly all the Alpha Trions should be merged. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:43, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: So, any of 'em need removing? (Also, when did I ever admitmy gender either way?) [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:11, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::How about we wait until we have more information before dealing with any of this? I swear. We know so very little about how this new continuity family works with (or doesn't) what's come before, and sweeping changes like merging Alpha Trions may end up being messily reverted. How about we hold the hell off until we learn more. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:21, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::::What about [[Nexus Prime]]'s article? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:31, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::What's '''wrong''' with it? Seriously? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:I'm asking about the need for a continuity identifier,which, as pointed out above is absent in some [[multiversal singularity|similar]] articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:18, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
:: Those guys aren't made out of other guys. I am wondering very hard why this is an issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:37, 28 August 2010 (EDT)
::: I just want to know how things are supposed to be done so I could do said things properly. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:46, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

== Malware warning ==

I just got a malware warning when I tried to load the page, seemingly resulting from the css file included from [[User:Derik|Derik]]'s site emopanda. I'm taking the call to that script out of common.css until we can get it sorted. Most of the css is also in a local file that's already being included anyway, so hopefully nothing should break. The malware warning refers me to [http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://emopanda.com/&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US this page]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:15, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some Wikipedia user ==

From [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NotARealWord&oldid=381724818 my Wikipedia talk page]
{{note|Yes, I have different usernames on different wikis.}}

{{quote|I take it you don't know the TFWiki very well. It's server is run by [[David Willis|a guy]] who blocked Wikipedia Transformers editors from it He has publically stated that he started that server to have a place away from Wikipedia to make his articles. Anyone who edits in a proper Wikipedia style with limiting things to notable topics with reliable sources (which is me, by his standards) gets reverted and blocked|
User:Mathewignash|
}}

Okay, User:Mathewignash seems to be responsible for a lot of the TF fancruft on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Transformers Wikipedia]. Also has been trying to "save" articles nominated for deletion due to lack of notability. Makes me wonder:
* Is this person somebody the admins here are familiar with?
* How do I respond to that statement against TFWiki? Considering I was pretty welcomed here when I started. Should I point out the users who regularly use ''both'' sites?
* Is there some small corner of the [[fandom]] that likes buttloads of fancruft-y TF articles, but have something against using TFWiki?
* Is this person anything to do with the people asking TFWiki to be more like [[Wikipedia]], despite how its rules are '''very''' unsuitable for a TF-specific wiki? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:[[User:Primal Rage]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:53, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:Oh yes, the community here is very familiar with Mr. Ignash. He and Walky have a long history of feuding. Walky has stated that he came here to escape Ignash in particular, not wikipedia editors in general. In the few times I've run across Ignash he seems rather jerky, virtually everyone here seems welcoming to me. Don't know about point three. Not sure if Ignash has connections to any of the various people who don't like the wiki's tone, but your point about wikipedia being a bad model for a TF specific site is a good one. While we do strive for proper citations here, "notability" is not a valid criterion for this site. Few TF characters/concepts are truly notable in a real world sense. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:56, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::Thank you, I try to treat wikis differently since they have different purposes. What about the questions in bullet-point number two? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:01, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Your suggestion of mentioning people on both sites is a good idea, I edit on wikipedia under the same alias but much less frequently and even less substantially. Don't know about anyone else. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:07, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::I do. Rarely and with a different name, but I do. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:13, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Ignash is not worth responding to. Let him play in his turd-filled sandbox. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:21, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Correction. Nobody who thinks that Wikipedia is better than TFWiki is worth responding to. I have learned this the hard way. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:31, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::What about that bit about a small corner of the fandom? User:Dream Focus seems to also fit that description. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:43, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::Yes, there is a small corner of the fandom that likes the Wikipedia-style TF articles. However, I would like to know is where the hell you are getting this stuff about Dream Focus fitting that description. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:::::::To Item42, read the archives on Matthewignash's user talk page at wikipedia. The man can't even follow the rules that he exhorts as superior to ours. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:49, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Please, do point the above out to him. I'd do it myself but they blocked my IP because I decided that Wikipedia was a piece of crap and went on a massive, 40-account vandalism rampage. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:04, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::::::From what I can tell, Dream Focus is just against deletion of Wikipedia articles under non-notability, and may not be active in Transformers fandom. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:20, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:The issue, simply, is not with "other Wikipedia users" - it is with Ignash himself. There is a ''reason'' the Transformers articles on Wikipedia are such a jumbled mess of copy-pasted partially-overly-detailed summaries, gross generalizations and list after list of Optimus Prime's appearances in ''Family Guy'' and ''Robot Chicken'' that lack any kind of consistency between each other and he is mainly it. Nearly everyone who ever tried to edit constructively there came here because he never compromises on his stupid, stupid way of organizing an article, and we neither want nor require his presence here. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

::It reminds me that I moved to Wikia (long before the Exodus) as soon as I found the TFwiki, and soon after that, I left Wikipedia(TF-related) as soon as I found TFwiki has more strict rules than Wikipedia does in some way (for example, we won't see any leak or unofficial information in TFwiki). (And yes, I can't stand some users on Wikipedia.) Plus, I feel Wikipedia is more harsh on fictional-related articles sometimes. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:41, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

:::Once again, correction. It doesn't really matter what the subject is, it just matters if someone has an axe to grind and if there's an admin who is willing to completely ignore common sense so that the people holding the axes can come out on top. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:19, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

::::Well, now it looks like Ignash can't always [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Transformers/Proposed_centralized_transformers_discussion come out on top]. Seems mostly him and Dream Focus trying to stop the article deletions. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:15, 31 August 2010 (EDT)

I think most of us at some point or other already came to the conclusion that Wikipedia was never going to have in-depth Transformers coverage. I'm pretty at-peace with that, because it was never realistic to think that they'd ever do it in the granularity that a dedicated wiki like this place can afford to do. Ignash came over here at one point, and I more or less went to bat for him, which I realize in retrospect was a mistake. The guy's very set in his ways, and he's poison to collaborative projects.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:37, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

:A general purpose encyclopedia (Wikipedia) cannot and should not have the same depth of coverage as dedicated references (tfwiki). Just as you wouldn't expect articles on every minor Shakespearean character on Wikipedia, you shouldn't expect every minor TF to have an article there. As far as going to bat for Ignash, I actually agreed with you standing up for him. Everyone deserves a chance to contribute. The problem was that he didn't want to contribute and collaborate and work within the guidelines here, because of that he is banned. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

::[[Wikipedia]] has just '''way''' too much TF fancruft. The big-time deletion "campaign" going on right now should be able to fix ''some'' of that. Hopefully. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:12, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

:::Dream Focus [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dream_Focus is on Wikia]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:19, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

===Wikipedia's TF Project===
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers|Wikipedia:WikiProject Transformers]] 666 articles. Heh [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:26, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

== Dimension-hopping ==

Should that get an article? The "Fiction" sections on [[continuity]] and [[multiverse]] seem mainly about that. Comparing those sections, it seems they're somewhat... redundant. Maybe a separate article about dimension-hopping would be better. Maybe the article should also cover characters moving within the same [[continuity family]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:34, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:The "multiverse" really only appears in fiction when dimension-hopping is involved, so that's why the fiction section is all about dimension hopping. "Continuity" probably doesn't need a fiction section since it is pretty much a wiki thing explaining how the wiki is organized. You are right that we should talk about dimension-hopping in the same continuity. There is a mini-multiverse in the G1 cartoon episode [[Madman's Paradise]] that should be commented on. How does [[Menonia]] relate to the [[multiverse]]? That's a good question. I think that can be explored on the "multiverse" page though. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:53, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Would it be okay if I (or anybody else) removes the "fiction" section of "[[continuity]]" and puts up that information in "[[multiverse]]"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== User admonition templates ==

Is there a list of the various templates that can be placed on a user page to give them advice (editing tips, spelling, no scoops, no fanon, etc)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:27, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[:Category:User notice templates]]. There are some in there that rarely get used! --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:32, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks, NCZ. I could not remember the "correct english" one and couldn't find a page that had one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:58, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Can anyone explain to me why categories that apply to specific toys are put on the general article for the character that toy represents and not on the image of the particular toy? Why not put the category tags on the picture's own page? For example, [[Starscream (Movie)]] is not actually a Kmart exclusive, the Nebular Starscream toy is. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:33, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== Links that overexplain jokes ==

I got reverted on [[Soundwave (ROTF)]] because apparently, adding links to explain captions ruins them. (I didn't remove or change the joke, just added the links. )Should that be on the official caption policy? . Although, I'm rather concerned that more casual readers might not understand references (like "[[JaAm|hump that tank]]" for example), and I don't intend to confuse people. So really, is it so bad to explain jokes (through wikilinks) for the sake of people with little TF knowledge? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:08, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:Well, y'know what they say - "If you have to ''explain'' a joke, there ''is'' no joke." Personally, I've always loathed joke-explaining word-linking, especially when it's to something off-site. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:30, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::Personally, I think that adding those links introduce casual wiki-readers to more TF stuff, and that content should be written with more clueless readers in mind. Although, if it's just ''that bad'', maybe it should be mentioned on the policy page. It's easier to avoid doing things when you know you should. Also, what about on-site linking, like potholing "hump that tank" to [[jaAm]]? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:50, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
Anyway, can I (or anyone else) do at least a ''little bit'' of on-site caption linking?[[User:Item42|Item42]] 18:19, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:43, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Then can someone please put that up on [[Transformers Wiki:Caption]] so that people can be sure that's what the community as a whole wants, and not just the two people who responded here? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 14:55, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

== Next Hasbro Q&A Questions due Mon! ==

According to the Allspark the next round of Hasbro Q&A questions are due 1 week from today (Sept 13). I know we havn't even recieved the last set of answers back yet. But shouldn't we set up a page to take question submissions for next Mon. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 14:33, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

:Hey, how come we haven't gotten answers from the [[Hasbro Q&A/August 2010: Question submission|most recent one]] yet? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 17:20, 6 September 2010 (EDT)

::Because Hasbro's a busy place and they haven't had a chance to get them back to us yet. They're usually a week or two behind their estimated return date, nothing new there. This IS the first time I can recall where the next questions might be due before the last set of answers appears though. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== RFC Wiki Spotlight ==

What-ho. If any wiki contributors happen to be listeners of [http://www.tfradio.net Radio Free Cybertron], you may have noticed that I've started doing a small spot on the show called the "Wiki Spotlight", highlighting an interesting article each week and drawing attention to it. Thus far I've just done our featured articles of the last two months, but I figured I'd open up the floor to any and all random suggestions as to what articles - big or small, well-known or obscure - deserve a mention. Speak up! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:07, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:[[Angry Archer]] and [[Thor]]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:48, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::[[Sky-Byte (RID)]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
:::[[Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III]]! -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:56, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::::[[Shockwave (G1)]] looks pretty good to me. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:38, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::[[Wheelie (G1)]], [[Scale]] and [[B.O.T. (episode)]] might be fun to feature. Can I also suggest that a link to the article mentioned be placed on the tfradio.net post accompanying the podcast, because it'll be easier for the listeners. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:48, 14 September 2010 (EDT)

A while back I tried to edit the [[fandom]] page to mention the Podcasts around at the time (TFWIRE, WTF@TFW and the joke that was the Tformers podcast at that time. But TPTB wiped the whole lot! That was a pretty big "Screw you!" to the podcasts. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 15:21, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

== Toy patents ==

User: Sarujo at Wikipedia posted a list of TF related patents. I have put them in [[User: Khajidha/sandbox|my sandbox]]. I've found and corrected a few errors/misidentifications already. Is this material useful or was it all already known? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:30, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:Interesting stuff. Do you mind if I go through the unknowns and put names on the ones I can identify? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:35, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::Feel free, that's why I posted the link. I won't have time today to give it the thorough going over it deserves. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:39, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Thanks. And that, as they say, is that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:22, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::They still need to be resorted. Warpath wasn't a Microman mold and it would probably be useful to have the Scramble City molds separated. Beyond that, I don't know. I don't want to get it so sorted that it becomes LESS useful. If nothing else, I figured the notes about inventors/designers might be data otherwise hard to come by. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:32, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Anyone willing to go trolling through patent listings? We seem to be missing those for several members of various combiner teams. Perhaps they can be found by cross referencing those we do have? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:54, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::The designer data ALONE makes these worthwhile. That's awesome information. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:28, 13 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I've conveyed our thanks to Sarujo over at Wikipedia. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:18, 13 September 2010 (EDT)

== Photos of toys ==
I found [[Wikipedia:Template:Non-free 3D art|this]] bit about copyright law.
*Does that mean ''every'' photo of an official TF figure needs a note like "character and toy design under copyright by [[HasTak]]"?
*Should this site also make a template like that?
*Would this be a good reason/excuse to copy photos from other fansites since ''your own photos'' (and anyone else's) would still have to go under fair use?
-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 15:47, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
: I think that specifically applies to non-US countries, particularly IIRC Germany (Nevermore, confirm/deny?). As the Wiki is hosted in the US it isn't really relevant... yet? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, the Wikipedia template in that link says:
{{quote|This is a two-dimensional representation of a copyrighted sculpture, statue or any other three-dimensional work of art. As such it is a derivative work of art, and per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106 US Copyright Act of 1976, § 106(2)] whoever holds copyright of the original has the exclusive right to authorize derivative works. 

Per [http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 § 107] it is believed that reproduction for criticism, comment, teaching and scholarship constitutes fair use and does not infringe copyright.}}
So it ''is'' US-relevant. Although, looking at the [[Wikipedia:Template talk:Non-free 3D art#totallydisputed|talk page]], it seems that said law(s) might not be something to take seriously. So, no stealing toy photos? If not, can I try to get the clearly stolen ones (like one section of [[:Image:20thAnniversary OptimusPrimesm.jpg|this]]) replaced? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:44, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:IIRC the law in question came up during (of all things) Batman Forever, when a copyrighted piece of industrial statue donated to a city as used as a shooting location in the film, got integrated into the sets, showed up on t-shirts and promotional cups, etc... the studio ended up paying millions in damages.
:Generally when I (rarely) take toy photos, I note that the '''photo''' is released to the public domain but ''Character likeness is {{c}} Hasbro 20XX'', making it clear that the ''photo'' is free, but its subject may not be. (Making a sculpture based on the photo would, obviously, present copyright issues.) Character likeness, IMO, seems like a better phrase to use than design since with multiple toys over decades, that's really what's being protected here-- not the transformation schema of mold D-22B.
:Part of what it means is that virtually '''no''' images on the wiki are eligible for "Copyleft," the status of absolute-public-domain with no entailment or restrictions. (This is not unique. A photo of your own family with a Coke ad in the background isn't eligible for Copyleft either.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:04, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::Derik, how do you release something in public domain if you can't release it under copyleft? Also, does this mean that it's okay to steal toy photos? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:04, 21 September 2010 (EDT)

== Galvatron ==
So in [http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2010/09/14/hasbro-transformers-qa-august-2010-answers/ ASM's Q&A response], Hasbro pretty much officially says to consider Galvatron a separate character from Megatron for all practical purposes. How do we tackle this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:I interpret it as saying that in inducting Megatron, Galvatron is not being inducted by connection, since [[Megatron (Animated)|not all Megatrons have become Galvatrons]], and some interpretations of Galvatron (like IDW) are separate from Megatron. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:00, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I don't think this really changes anything about the way we've already got Galvy covered. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:14, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

== Excessive Trivia Sections ==

Ok, a few days ago I attempted to clean up some trivia sections. I realize in hindsight I was tired and being a wanker and was removing valuable information, and I apologize for that. However, I think some of our trivia could definitely stand to be integrated into the articles themselves, especially notes like "This character's Universe toy was..." or "in the Energon comic, so-and so was completely different". I would like to integrate these but I was hoping to get an opinion on this, since I went about it wrong once already. Thoughts? -- [[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 12:44, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
:Agreed. The Notes sections (shouldn't be Trivia anymore) are for information that doesn't fit elsewhere. If there is a logical place to put it, move the information there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:58, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Editing Drift's related materials ==
Actually, this would cover whatever anyone of us have a '''large''' dislike of, but yeah. This is a wiki, where we're supposed to be informative and be able to present the info in a fun way. I'm not entirely sure of how objective we can be (humor aside), but the whole kerfluffle on Drift's mini and cameos showing in his mini is making me worried on the attitudes of certain editors that could easily descend into a editing/name-calling/accusation war. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:39, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
:My position is the Wiki doesn't have to be ''objective'', so long as it isn't ''unreasonable''. There are plenty of flaws in Drift and Shane McCarthy's work to poke fun of -- there's no reason to create ones that aren't true.
:I was re-reading Drift #1 and happened to notice he DID suffer damage from those laser blasts while fleeing. I remembered that note on the Wiki joking that he was "laser-proof", so I removed it. I also posted on the Talk page explaining why. Detour restored the Note several times anyway, even though it was false as written. He eventually tried to re-write it, adding something about Deadlock surviving blasts that blew off Jetstorm's head earlier. Nowhere in the comic did Jetstorm's head get blown off. Drench's did, notCarnivac's did, but Jetstorm was fine. It just shows that Detour doesn't care about being accurate so long as he's not giving an inch on anything Anti-McCarthy on the Wiki.
:So really -- can't we be ''better'' than that? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 22:05, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but I really think Detour shouldn't be allowed to edit anything connected to McCarthy. And I'm pretty much branded an irrational anti-McCarthy troll on the IDW boards, so I think this is saying something. I'm first in line to complain when ''he deserves it'', this sort of stuff is just petty and weakens the valid criticism by association. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:25, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::So because I mixed up Drench and Jetstorm's name, I'm now "making stuff up"? Now who's being irrational? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:39, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Please try to be accurate when editing articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 02:57, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I don't think you really comprehend this discussion and the situation leading up to it, Item42. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:17, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Um, people generally hate [[Drift (G1)|Drift]], this wiki's editors want to have reliable articles, and Detour got stuff mixed up, which people blame on his anti-Drift-ism. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:53, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

== External Links ==

Similar to the whole business of changing all the "Trivia" sections into "Notes" sections, this is just a heads up for anyone who wants to chip in for a mundane task: if you ever see a link to TFU.info (or a similar toy site) in the External Links section of a character's page, relocating it to that character's Toys section would be super-awesome. (And if the External Links section subsequently becomes empty, get rid of it.) I wouldn't really describe this as a task with much urgency behind it, but it will make characters' pages look consistent, and consistency looks nice. It's really a minor edit that's easy and quick to do, and I'd appreciate some help in this fiasco. An example of how this is supposed to look like can be found at [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal's toy section]]. So keep an eye out while you're bored and clicking that "Random Page" button. :) --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 12:37, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
:I've been trying to do these whenever I come across one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
==Who hosts your wiki now==
Wikia is making more unpopular changes, [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia] with a new skin which is even more unpopulat.

In this angry discussion, your site was mentioned as one site which said "f--- you wikia" and left, which I respect so much, and would like to emulate.

I am wondering who is hosting your wikia, and how much does it cost per year? If you could do it again, how would you do it differently? Who could I maybe ask these questions too?

Thank you. [[User:Adamtheclown|Adamtheclown]] 17:12, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:We're hosted on [http://www.slicehost.com/ Slicehost]. What you go for hostingwise will really depend on how popular your site is though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:25, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

== McAfee SiteAdvisor review rating this site incorrectly ==

As a countermeasure to viruses on the net, I have a special version of McAfee that has this widget-type thing that gives me ratings on the security of certain websites. I have noticed that this website was recently given a big, fat red "X" rating, showing that this website contains malware and other things, all because of one single rating that the reviewer said he did not like this website. He did not say this was a malware site, but the system apparently decided to take ''one'' person's personal opinion and rate this site as a horrible website so every time I go in, I get this asininely huge message saying "MCAFEE HAS TESTED THIS SITE AND FOUND IT TO BE BLAH BLAH BLAH".

I don't think that just one siteadvisor reviewer (myself) can turn around that rating. Sure, a website can be full of people with questionable morals and values, but that has no reflection on the security of the website. Can I have a little help here?

Here is the page for this website: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/tfwiki.net?premium=false&client_uid=1093063016&client_ver=3.1.0.175&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0-884&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0&pip=true --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 08:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

:Questionable "morals and values"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:27, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I feel like I know that guy from somewhere. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Gotta be [[User: Primal Rage|mignash]]. Also, how could it be a bad shopping experience, we don't SELL anything. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::No, mignash doesn't spell that well. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:43, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::People usually say "bad shopping experience" in place of "bad experience" because there is a bulleted selector so you don't have a lot of choices. What I don't like is having this website have a false security rating, I don't really care about that negative reviewer with the social rating. It's a ''security'' database, not how good or bad something is socially. Maybe the person was [[User:Trolly McTrollerson|Trolly McTrollerson]] and since he was b& he just wanted to troll even more? --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:45, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Meh. Considering David Willis's reputation as a "fandom boogeyman", stunts like this hardly surprise me. There's a lot of petty fans who apparently categorically refuse to edit this wiki out of hatred for Willis (which apparently also stops them from editing at Wikia as well, go figure...) and who basically go "Yeah? I know Transformers! I'm going to make my own Transformers wiki! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the wiki!". So, yeah. Hardly surprising. I've dropped off a review myself, but it still doesn't appear to be enough to raise the rating... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:11, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== Fan-configurations of toys ==

(From [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fan-mode|here]], I'm not sure who "User:Divebomb" is though)
Should we have an article on how people would have made-up modes of their toys just because the toys can be configured that way (such as that "combination" of Classics Jetfire and Optimus Prime)? Or maybe just mention that stuff in an article somewhere (like [[Toy]])?
{{note|I'm not suggesting we mention that on individual character ''pages'', cos that will just spiral out of control.}}

-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I find it odd that we don't have a fan-mode article here. It seems like it would be a valid topic, and a few famous/infamous examples should be mentioned on that page. I agree that we don't need to mention them on individual pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:37, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::FYI, User:Divebomb would happen to be me. (Don't tell the Wikipedia guys that though.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Once you admitted to something on a ''publically viewable'' webpage, there's really no stopping the info from getting out. You didn't have to admit who it was ''specifically''. But, I guess if you're gonna be good over there, you ''might'' be allowed to stay. Doesn't Wikipedia have something for reformed vandals? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:53, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::You're assuming they're even gonna notice. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::I like being honest. If anybody asks, I can tell them who "Divebomb" is, since I never agreed to keep it secret. Don't tempt me. Also, we (both of us) should get back on topic. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:52, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I think it is certainly a good idea to make a page such as that! I happen to be very interested in this kind of thing because I, too used to dick around with my toys and I want a wiki article on it; I don't want to search around on geoshitties-type websites for such things. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== [[Frank Miller]] ==

A bit of an edit war or something [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Frank_Miller&action=history here]. [[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] and [[User:Detour|Detour]] changed the caption to a [[david Willis|Shortpacked]] reference, changingthe caption to a picture '''I uploaded'''. Isn't that [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|wrong]] or somesuch? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:54, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I guess if other people dislike a joke, then it's okay to change the caption, I think. A while ago, Eire changed a caption I added on [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]'s page, but I didn't mind because the new one was funnier. If you take offense, however, that's something that needs to be discussed.--[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:58, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thing is, their edits put in an '''external link''', that explains the joke. If you look further up this page there's (currently) a section with me getting told by [[Chris McFeely]] and Interrobang that doing so would be a ''bad''thing. If I have to stop doing that, then so should they. Plus, changing a caption like that is discouraged by policy. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:02, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh lordy McLordlord. Okay, first of all. "Who the hell do you think I am?" was Kamina's catchphrase and that's why Konishi gets it. "WTHDYTIA" is merely a small portion of the larger "What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!", and generally the first part to be left out when it's misquoted because it's so forgettable there compared to what comes before and after it. It's really a poor-ass choice of words for Miller's caption any way you look at it. Second of all, the Shortpacked link does not, as you put it, "explain the joke". The joke doesn't need explaining if you know ANYTHING about Miller, that's why it turned meme mere moments after Willis put it up. It's there because that's where the joke originated, and the comic's funny. Just because there's a link in a caption doesn't mean it's a deliberate attempt at explaining a joke. Look around and you'll see plenty of other captions with such links within them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:17, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Ahem,
#I know both lines pretty well.
#Just because people do that a lot,doesn't mean it should be done (the caption page has a list of jokes this community is sick of)
#It would be much better if this wiki's pages give more comprehensive advice.
[[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:23, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2010-09-29T16:02:23Z

Item42: /* Frank Miller */

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2010-09-29T15:54:06Z

Item42: /* Frank Miller */ new section

Frank Miller

2010-09-29T15:50:02Z

Item42: No need to link off-site

{{disambig3|Frank}}
[[Image:FrankMiller.jpg|right|thumb|200px|whoreswhorewhoreswhores ]]

'''Frank Miller''' (born [[January 27]], 1957) is a famed comic-book writer. According to [[Flint Dille]], he was involved in writing ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. While Dille and others were rehashing the end of the script, [[Steve Gerber]] brought his friend [[wikipedia:Frank_Miller|Miller]] in to help out. In return, they helped Miller with the ending of [[wikipedia:Batman:_The_Dark_Knight_Returns|the Batman book he was working on]].

Dille says this began a long-running friendship, and they still contribute to each other's work.<ref>[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/60-astrominutes/flint-dille/flint_dille_2.html Interview with Flint Dille] on [http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cybertronchronicle.html the Cybertron Chronicle]</ref>

==External links==
*[[Wikipedia:Frank_Miller_(comics)|Frank Miller]] at Wikipedia

==References==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Miller, Frank}}
[[Category:Writers]]

User talk:NCZ

2010-09-29T14:57:46Z

Item42: /* Katsuyuki Konishi */

FYI, if you are the uploader of the image, you are entitled to add captions. That's a nice bonus of uploading images. You get first dibs at any captions. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 20:32, 20 December 2009 (EST)

== WFC voice actors ==

Looks like Walky went ahead and added them all to the WFC page anyway so go ahead if you want. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:33, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:Awesome! Thanks! --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 21:40, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron (Myth) ==

Is their a better way you think I should write the fact as, or should I just walk away?[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:44, 2 September 2010 (EDT)
:I dunno. I say that we just leave it out for now. I'm not really 100% familiar with the Beast Era so I wouldn't know how to do it. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:49, 2 September 2010 (EDT)
: Time travel is confusing.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:54, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== ROTF Grindor/Blackout ==

So are you telling me that Michael Bay has confirmed that it is Grindor in Revenge of the Fallen?. Nowhere says Michael bay has, only Hasbro that make the crappy toys. Dreamworks have said it was supposed to be Blackout.
:I, uh, am not really involved. All I did was put the "correct english" template on your page. And personally, I'm pretty sure it's Grindor in the movie. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:24, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

==[[Katsuyuki Konishi]]==
Regarding your edit [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Katsuyuki_Konishi&diff=503186&oldid=502889 here]:

I ''know'' where "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AM" is from, more of me trying to show the fun coincidence and how this wiki has articles on ''both'' sources for that line. I even uploaded a [[Frank Miller]] picture and linked it's caption to [[Katsuyuki Konishi]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 03:58, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:Ah. I just assumed you thought it was a Frank Miller reference. Coincidences are fun. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 08:03, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::Got reverted again, though. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Katsuyuki_Konishi&diff=503256&oldid=503186] By [[User talk:Detour# Katsuyuki Konishi and Frank Miller Detour|Detour this time]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

User talk:NCZ

2010-09-29T14:55:39Z

Item42: /* Katsuyuki Konishi */

FYI, if you are the uploader of the image, you are entitled to add captions. That's a nice bonus of uploading images. You get first dibs at any captions. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 20:32, 20 December 2009 (EST)

== WFC voice actors ==

Looks like Walky went ahead and added them all to the WFC page anyway so go ahead if you want. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:33, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:Awesome! Thanks! --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 21:40, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron (Myth) ==

Is their a better way you think I should write the fact as, or should I just walk away?[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:44, 2 September 2010 (EDT)
:I dunno. I say that we just leave it out for now. I'm not really 100% familiar with the Beast Era so I wouldn't know how to do it. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:49, 2 September 2010 (EDT)
: Time travel is confusing.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:54, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== ROTF Grindor/Blackout ==

So are you telling me that Michael Bay has confirmed that it is Grindor in Revenge of the Fallen?. Nowhere says Michael bay has, only Hasbro that make the crappy toys. Dreamworks have said it was supposed to be Blackout.
:I, uh, am not really involved. All I did was put the "correct english" template on your page. And personally, I'm pretty sure it's Grindor in the movie. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:24, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

==[[Katsuyuki Konishi]]==
Regarding your edit [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Katsuyuki_Konishi&diff=503186&oldid=502889 here]:

I ''know'' where "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AM" is from, more of me trying to show the fun coincidence and how this wiki has articles on ''both'' sources for that line. I even uploaded a [[Frank Miller]] picture and linked it's caption to [[Katsuyuki Konishi]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 03:58, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:Ah. I just assumed you thought it was a Frank Miller reference. Coincidences are fun. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 08:03, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::Got reverted again, though. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Katsuyuki_Konishi&diff=503256&oldid=503186] By [[User talk:Detour# Katsuyuki Konishi and Frank Miller Detour|this time]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2010-09-29T14:52:55Z

Item42: /* Fan-configurations of toys */

Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys

2010-09-29T14:42:31Z

Item42: that's not what "to sell toys" is actually about.

[[Image:MP Magnus book cover art.jpg|right|225px|thumb|He can't deal with the obligatory joke now!]]
Sometimes [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] looks a lot like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. There are a lot of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime toys]], and they need to be [[redeco]]ed into SOMETHING. Ergo...

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:Ultramagnusg1toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Honkimus Prime]]
* '''Ultra Magnus''' (1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-69'''
**''Accessories:'' Large robot head, rifle, chest plate, 2 trailer connectors/waist plates, 2 small robot fists (left & right), 2 large robot fists (left & right), 2 missile launchers, 4 missiles

: Ultra Magnus is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Diaclone]]'' "Powered Convoy" figure, itself a redeco and slight retool of "Battle Convoy", the toy that became the original [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] figure, sporting a new trailer. One of the last few ''Diaclone'' toys to be released in the ''Transformers'' toyline, Magnus was recolored from the original toy's dark blue, red and black color scheme into a more patriotic red, white and blue. He transforms into a Freightliner COE, towing a car-carrier trailer capable of transporting up to four normal-sized Autobot cars. As with Optimus Prime, his cab transforms into a small robot, which can then combine with the trailer to form a "super robot", although all original Generation 1 fiction prior to the 21st century ignored this and simply rendered the super robot as Magnus's default robot form. To facilitate this combination, Magnus sports a slightly longer front axle than Prime, thereby creating tabs on either side of the cab that slide into grooves in the trailer to help lock the small robot into place. He is armed with a rifle sporting two handles that allow either of his robot modes to hold it, and two shoulder-mounted missile launchers, whose spring-loaded firing mechanism was removed for the Hasbro release of the figure.

:The ''Diaclone'' Powered Convoy figure had several additional features and modes which were mostly excised or left unmentioned for the ''Transformers'' release of Ultra Magnus. Principally, Powered Convoy came packaged with "Powered Buggy", who was left out of Magnus's release (see [[#Notes|notes below]] for further details). Omitted from Magnus's instructions is the ability of his chestplate and super robot head to combine to form a small vehicle; the Powered Convoy version of the figure included small rolling wheels on the underside of the chestplate which were removed for Ultra Magnus. Additionally, three additional modes were included in the ''Diaclone'' instructions that Hasbro left out: a "preparation base" mode and an "Autobot base" mode were excluded entirely, while the third, a "catapult launcher" mode originally intended and proportioned to accommodate the ''Diaclone'' Jet Robo figure that became [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], was shown only on the front of his packaging, interacting with [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]. The Japanese release of Ultra Magnus, however, ''did'' include instructions for the preparation base and catapult launcher modes, but replaced the original Autobot base mode with a new configuration.

:The original Ultra Magnus figure has been reissued and redecoed several times down the years, and this article strives to list each edition of the figure under its own heading. The first alteration to Magnus, however, was a [[variant|running change]] made while he was still on shelves: Originally, his tires were made of [[rubber tires|rubber]] and he sported paint on both his small and large robot heads, but this version was soon replaced with one featuring plastic tires and no paint on either head.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:Reissue ultra magnus.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (2000)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-69'''
**''Accessories:'' Large robot head, rifle, chest plate, 2 trailer connectors/waist plates, 2 small robot fists (left & right), 2 large robot fists (left & right), 2 missile launchers, 4 missiles

:Ultra Magnus was first reissued in Japan in December of 2000, featuring no discernible changes from the original Japanese edition of the figure. His packaging sported a metallic golden sticker commemorating the fifteenth anniversary of the ''Transformers'' franchise in Japan.

:This reissue of Magnus was accompanied by two exclusive redecos, noted below.

::*''[http://www.mykooltoyz.com/ultramagnus-c69.html More information on reissue Ultra Magnus at My Kool Toyz]''
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[[Image:Ultra-magnus Matrix Glow.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Till All Go Number One!]]
*'''Shining Magnus''' (2000)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-69'''
**''Accessories:'' Large robot head, rifle, chest plate, trailer connector/waist plate, 2 small robot fists (left & right), 2 missile launchers, 4 missiles

: With a yellow cab and an entirely translucent yellow trailer, Shining Magnus (シャイニングマグナス, sha-i-ni-n-gu ma-gu-na-su) is intended to recall the moment in the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', just before Optimus Prime dies, when the Matrix is passed to Ultra Magnus and he is bathed in its light. Which was... ''blue''. Yeah, we're not sure how that works.

:Shining Magnus was one of two exclusive redecos released in the wake of the 2000 reissue of the original Ultra Magnus toy. Limited to only 800 pieces, it was available only at the 20th Century Toy Museum toy show, held on [[December 26]], 2000 at the Mitsukoshi Department Store in Yokohama, Japan. The toy is sometimes known as "Matrix Glow Magnus" amongst collectors, or less favourably, "Urine Magnus".

::*''[http://www.mykooltoyz.com/shiningmagnus.html More information on Shining Magnus at My Kool Toys]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Autobot/UltraMagnusMatrixGlow/ultramagnus.htm More information on Matrix Glow Magnus at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:G1 UltraMagnusPreviewVersion toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Blue Honkimus Prime]]
*'''Ultra Magnus Movie Preview Version''' (2001)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-69'''
**''Accessories:'' Large robot head, rifle, chest plate, trailer connector/waist plate, 2 small robot fists (left & right), 2 missile launchers, 4 missiles

: In the early stages of the development of ''The Transformers: The Movie'', [[The Transformers: The Movie promo|promotional footage]] for the movie was released that depicted Ultra Magnus in the black, red and dark blue color scheme of the original ''Diaclone'' Powered Convoy toy. As the second of two exclusive redecos released in the wake of the 2000 reissue of the original Ultra Magnus toy, the "Movie Preview Version" (予告編バージョン ''Yokokuhen Bājon'')<ref>"Yokukuhen" can also mean "Movie Trailer"; the terms appear to be interchangeable in Japanese.</ref> of Ultra Magnus paid homage to this early appearance. He ''is'' just a redeco of the Magnus figure, however, and so despite his resemblance to the ''Diaclone'' figure, he still lacks that toy's exclusive features, like Powered Buggy, wheels in his chestplate, and a Diaclone pilot.

: Movie Preview Version Ultra Magnus was available exclusively at Toy Festival 2001, held on [[February 26]], 2001 in Tokyo, Japan, limited to 1,500 pieces.

::*''[http://www.mykooltoyz.com/diaclonemagnus.html More information on Ultra Magnus Movie Preview Version at My Kool Toyz]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Autobot/UltraMagnusPre-Movie/ultramagnus.htm More information on Ultra Magnus Movie Preview Version at TFU.info]''
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===Transform Jr===
[[Image:Ultramagnus_jr.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
* '''Ultra Magnus''' (Gokin, 1985)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-69'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, two fists (left and right), head, cardboard trailer

:As one of the first ''[[Transform Jr]]'' toys, this version of Ultra Magnus was released under the early name for the series, ''Transform Gōkin''. Naturally, the figure is a redeco of the ''Transform Jr'' Optimus Prime toy, a smaller, simplified version of the original Generation 1 cab robot figure intended as a low-cost alternative for younger children. Magnus features a similar transformation to his larger toy, with a removable head in addition to fists, but lacks rubber tires and translucent windows. As with most other ''Transform Jr'' figures, he lacked most of his major accessories, coming only with a rifle (a white redeco of [[Ion blaster|Prime's gun]], rather than Magnus's own unique weapon) and a cardboard replacement for his trailer that had to be assembled by the buyer, and which unsurprisingly, could not form armor.

::*''[http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/reminator4/HTML/g1auto/magnusjr.htm More information on Transform Jr Ultra Magnus at an Ultra Magnus fan site]''
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[[Image:Tfjr magnus galvatron.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Ultra Magnus vs Galvatron''' (multi-pack, 1987)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, two fists (left and right), head, cardboard trailer

:Later, by the time the line had been rebranded with the more familiar ''Jr'' title, the Magnus figure was re-released in a two-pack with a vinyl figurine of [[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron]], which also came with a die-cast figurine of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]].
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===Generation 2===
[[Image:G2toy-LaserUltraMagnus.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Probably the only Magnus repaint of Prime we'll ever get who isn't just white.]]
* '''Laser Ultra Magnus''' (2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' ''' TRF-13-S'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun, sword, 5 discs, ripple missile launcher, 10 missiles, 1 foam missile, foam missile launcher air bellows

: An [[e-Hobby]] exclusive, ''Generation 2'' Laser Ultra Magnus is a redeco of Laser Optimus Prime, transforming into a mid-1990s Western Star 4964EX extended-hood truck pulling a blue and white tanker trailer. He was packaged in the reissue Laser Optimus Prime's box, along with Prime's instructions, bio card and sticker sheet. Yes, the stickers that have "Optimus Prime" written on them.

:In robot mode, the bottom of the truck becomes a windowed chest based upon the original Optimus Prime toy (and the original Ultra Magnus's cab). His main gimmick is light-up LED headlights and a [[Light-piping|lightpipe]] in the bottom of his right fist, illuminated by an LED in his right forearm, that illuminates his clear sword or his double-barreled rifle if they are placed in that hand. All three LEDs are activated simultaneously by pressing the sunroof-like depression on the roof of the truck.

:The trailer unfolds to form a battle station bristling with many firing weapons. Primarily, these are an air-powered missile launcher, a ripple rocket launcher with 5 missiles that can be launched individually (This turret can also be mounted in Laser Magnus's hand) and a "disc launcher" that fires several white plastic discs. This disc launcher is the only weapon that can be used in vehicle mode.

:This release uses the toolings that were modified for the ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] toy, and thus has smooth discs and a less pointy sword. This mold was also planned to be used for the canceled [[Toxitron]] toy.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Cybertron/UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Laser Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''
===Masterpiece===
[[Image:Masterpiece UltraMagnus toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I looked like this in a comic once. ONCE!]]
* '''Ultra Magnus''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-2'''
**''Accessories:'' Rifle, Megatron gun with removable silencer, scope and stock, Matrix of Leadership, energon axe

: ''Masterpiece'' Ultra Magnus is a white redeco of ''Masterpiece'' Convoy (Optimus Prime) with all the same accessories, though some have been redecoed. Additionally, his box can be refolded into his classic trailer configuration, but doesn't hold up since it's, well, cardboard. He retains the Matrix, which he can indeed open. Damnit, open.

: As a [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] product, ''Masterpiece'' Ultra Magnus was never released in the US, but was eventually released by Hasbro Australia in 2005 for their market as a Target exclusive, retaining his Japanese packaging, with simple stickers stating a recommended age of 8+, as well as presenting Hasbro Australia's details and explaining what the product was.

: Additionally, [[TakaraTomy]] reissued Masterpiece Ultra Magnus in 2008 sporting their logo in the top right-hand corner of the box to replace the Takara logo in the bottom right featured on the original release in 2004. This reissue has been met with some QC issues much like that of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys| Masterpiece Convoy Complete edition]] such as bad paint applications and chipping, misaligned doors and even misassembled headlights which have been installed upside down.

: Like all the Japanese versions of this mold, Ultra Magnus features different images on his communicators than all other releases. In his case he features [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and a digital readout.

: This mold was also used to make "[[Eldedroid|Masterpiece Convoy Black Version]]".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Masterpiece Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''
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===Classics===
[[Image:ClassicsUltraMagnus toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Arctic Camo Prime! ]]
*'''Ultra Magnus vs Skywarp: Battle For Autobot City''' (Multi-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' (Ultra Magnus) Smokestack/laser cannons, Wind vane/blaster, (Skywarp) 2 missile launchers, 2 missiles

: A [[redeco]] of the Voyager class Optimus Prime, this release is part of the Target [[exclusive]] ''Battle for Autobot City'' set with [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. The final production toy has several major paint application differences compared to the toy depicted on the packaging, including the loss of all light blue paint (including his faceplate and crest, both replaced with silver) and darker blue on his thighs. Also, his red eyes are replaced with blue light-piped eyes. Additionally, it seems the smokestacks/double-barreled gun was originally going to be cast or painted white instead of the final version's black.

: Like Optimus Prime, the toy's gimmicks are in his weapons: His smokestacks fold together to become a double-barreled gun, and his aero fairing splits and unfolds to become a large, shotgun-like blaster. The two weapons also combine into a double-barreled shoulder cannon.

: The mold was also used to make "[[Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] and ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/ClassicsUltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Classics Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''

===Titanium Series===
[[Image:TitaniumHero UltraMagnus.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Oh, that's right, this Ultra Magnus guy had a trailer or something, didn't he?]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, display stand, 2 rocket launchers

: ''Titanium Cybertron Heroes'' Ultra Magnus is an all-new sculpt constructed mostly of die-cast metal. For the first time, Ultra Magnus' cab and trailer are one piece, rather than a [[partformer]] like the ''Generation 1'' toy version, although the cab is only held on by a peg and can be detached, resulting in a small, super-deformed cab. The toy's wheels can all spin. He transforms very similarly to the original toy, but the aforementioned truck cab now folds down into his back rather than detaching and reconnecting, with his head flipping out of the back of the cab.

: Ultra Magnus is armed with a gray laser rifle and two shoulder-mounted, non-firing rocket launchers which, due to some mistake, face top-down when attached in robot mode. It is unknown whether the launchers were somehow mirror-flipped in manufacture or if his shoulder assemblies [[Misassembly|were switched]]. The latter is perhaps supported by the orientation of molding detail shown in the [[Instruction booklet|instructions]] and on the Generation 1 toy, although the [[Tampograph|tampographs]] could argue against this. One can easily "correct" this by unscrewing his blue forearms and swapping out the shoulders, allowing the launchers to face top-up.

: Unfortunately, due to the robot mode-oriented design of this figure, as well as size limitations, the rear ramp is now solely part of his legs as detail and cannot fold down, nor is there clearance space for any other vehicles to be transported. Like most, if not all, 6-inch Titaniums, his joints are very floppy. His left shoulder contains one of the loosest (if not ''the loosest'') ball joints on a Transformers figure ever.

:His chest panel can flip up to reveal a shallow recess for the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, though no Matrix accessory to date is actually flat enough to fit inside.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/TitUltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Titanium Series Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Titanium WarWithin ultramagnus.JPG|right|300px|thumb| He can't deal with being a non-canon-supported redeco right now.]]
*'''(War Within) Ultra Magnus''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, display stand

: A [[redeco]] of the 6-inch War Within Optimus Prime, transforming into a Cybertronian truck mode used by Prime (but not Magnus) in "[[The War Within]]" comics. The original Prime figure was personally designed by comic artist [[Don Figueroa]], who created the original comic design in the first place, and his signature is left on the figure in the most literal way: The word "DON" can be seen sculpted into the barrel of his gun.

: As a ''[[Titanium Series]]'' figure, Magnus is made in large part from [[die-cast]] metal, but like so many of the other toys in the ''Titanium'' line, his plastic joints have trouble supporting his heavy metal weight. He comes with the generic display stand shared by all of the 6" "Cybertron Heroes", with a unique, removable nameplate.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/TitTWWUltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on War Within Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''
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===Alternity===
[[Image:Alternity_Ultra_Magnus.jpg|right|300px|thumb|]]
*'''Ultra Magnus Brilliant White Pearl''' (2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''A-01U'''

:An [[e-Hobby]]-exclusive redeco of ''[[Alternity (franchise)|Alternity]]'' Convoy, Ultra Magnus transforms into a white 1:32 scale Nissan GT-R, featuring die-cast metal parts and an opening hood, trunk and doors. This complex figure stands at 6.5" tall and is armed with a pair of blasters on each arm.

:This mold was also used to make [[Nemesis Prime (Universe 2003)|Convoy Super Black]].

:The e-Hobby version came packed with an [[Nissan GT-R / Ultra Magnus (Brilliant Pearl White)|exclusive comic book]]. An version available elsewhere in Asia is identical to the e-Hobby version except it does not include the exclusive pack-in comic (like most e-Hobby exclusives released outside of Japan).

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==Merchandise==
===Power Tronic===
[[Image:Ultra_Magnus_001.JPG|right|thumb|He's got the touch. In his brain.]]
*'''Pulsating Light AM Radio''' (Nasta, 1986)
:Pulsating Light AM Radio is a 7.5" tall AM radio in the shape of Ultra Magnus's head, produced by [[Nasta]]. It takes 4 AA batteries to make him sing (two in each antenna), but when he does, his eyes and forehead light up.
:The head of Ultra Magnus could be yours for just $12.99.
::*''[http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/reminator3/HTML/magnustoyrev/magradio.htm More information on the Pulsating Light AM Radio at an Ultra Magnus fan site]''
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===3-D Jigsaw Stand Up Puzzle===

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (1986)

:This piece of Ultra Magnus merchandise was a jigsaw puzzle in disguise! The 100-piece puzzle was of a battle scene, but once broken down, the puzzle pieces could be assembled into a three-dimensional model of Ultra Magnus in either robot or truck mode—a progenitor of the [[3D Battle-Card Game]] in many respects!
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===Electronic Voice Synthesizer===
*'''Hero''' (1986)
[[Image:Magnus_voice_changer.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
:Sculpted in the likeness of Ultra Magnus but unnamed on its blister card packaging, this "Electronic Voice Synthesizer" ran on a 9-volt battery and allowed children to "talk like a robot" by mouthing words into the plastic straw attached to its back and holding down the button on its side. Remember, "robots talk slowly and enunciate each word"!
::*''[http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/reminator3/HTML/magnustoyrev/magnusevs.htm More information on the Electronic Voice Synthesizer at an Ultra Magnus fan site]''
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===Watch===
[[Image:Magnus watch screencaps.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Watch, 1986, 1993)
:Ultra Magnus was one of three Transformers watches (the others being [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] & [[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron]]) released by Takara, first in Japan in 1986, and then internationally, in the USA in 1993 as merchandise for the ''Generation 2'' toyline. The watch featured Ultra Magnus's torso with a clock in his chest which "transformed" with the push of a lever into a full, tiny figure complete with legs, standing up on the watch band. The figure cannot be removed from the watch, but the arms do rotate.
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===Vinyl figurine===
[[Image:Vinyl_magnus.jpg|right|thumb|300px|We can assure you it is not a [[knockoff]].]]
*'''Scramble Gun Set''' (1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''Part.2'''
:Like the Galvatron figure packaged with ''Transform Jr'' Ultra Magnus listed [[#Transform Jr|above]], Ultra Magnus was one of several characters released by Takara as large vinyl figurines in a variety of sets, in packaging similar to the ''Transform Jr'' line (though lacking the "Jr" part of the logo). Known to have been at least available as part of a box set, Magnus came packaged with a roleplay pistol (the titular "Scramble Gun"), an Autobot badge, and four peach-colored [[Decoy]] figures. He took the place of a figure of Optimus Prime, who had been included in the "Part.1" version of the set.
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===Transformers Gum===

[[Image:Tfgum magnus.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (1986)
**''Accessories:'' Rifle, large robot head, large robot fists (left and right), pelvis/connector

:A model kit of Ultra Magnus was among the many released by [[Kabaya]] as part of their ''[[Transformers Gum]]'' line of [[candy toy]]s. Released as part of the line's third wave, Magnus is molded in red, white and blue plastic, lacking in paint applications but featuring stickers for detail. As a downsized model, he lost some of the features of his larger toy: His cab no longer transforms into a small robot, simply converting into the transitional form necessary to combine with the trailer, though it does still feature a flip-out small robot head for Magnus's large head to attach to. As the name suggests, he also came with a stick of gum.
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===Decoy===
[[Image:Decoy magnus.jpg|right|thumb]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (1986)

:While no figure of Ultra Magnus was released by [[Hasbro]] as part of their 1987 [[Decoy]] promotion, the Autobot commander did have a soft rubber figure crafted in his image that was available exclusively in Japan, as part of a second wave of the figures released there by [[Kabaya]], along with other ''Transformers 2010'' characters. Like the other figures in this series, Magnus was sold in a [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] box and was available in multiple colors, including red, blue and yellow.

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (1987)

:Magnus was also part of the small, Japanese-exclusive collection of larger "Decoy" figures, with this version of the character standing at around twice the height of a regular Decoy. Like the other figures in this wave, Magnus was packaged in an individual baggie and was available in red, blue, green and yellow.
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===Collegeville Costumes===
[[Image:Ultramagnus halloween costume.jpg|right|thumb]]
* '''Ultra Magnus Halloween costume''' (1986)

:Ultra Magnus was one of a small number of characters that [[Collegeville Costumes]] turned into a Halloween costume. This two-piece outfit adhered to the crappy, time-worn tradition of consisting of a sculpted, thin plastic mask held over the wearer's face with elastic, and a smock with a picture of Ultra Magnus and his name on it.

* '''Ultra Magnus mask''' (1986)

: Collegeville also immortalized Magnus in their line of ''Transformers'' masks. Made from flat styrofoam, the mask featured a hinge that allowed the wearer to lift it up and down, transforming from kid to robot in the blink of an eye!
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===Parody Deformed===
[[Image:Pdtype_magnus.jpg|right|thumb]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (1990)
:A small, non-transforming, super-deformed model kit of Ultra Magnus was available as part of Kabaya's "[[Parody Deformed]]" line of candy toys. The second figure of the fourth wave (the sixteenth figure overall), he was available in multiple colours, including red, blue and gold, and came with a "[[Transformers PD Type]]" comic about himself, "Improve Yourself! Ultra Magnus!", as well as a stick of gum.
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===Super Collection Figure===
[[Image:HOC-figure UltraMagnus.JPG|right|thumb|300px|He can deal with not being a Prime redeco.]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Super Collection Figure, December 2000)
: A three-inch-tall [[plastic|PVC]] figurine of Ultra Magnus was available in the first wave of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[Super Collection Figure]]'' line. Like all the figures in the wave, it was available as both a standard full-color figure and a clear-plastic version, one of each of which was available in a standard case of twelve [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] figures.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/HoCUltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Super Collection Figure/Heroes of Cybertron Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''
*'''Ultra Magnus (Early Colors)''' (Super Collection Figure, September 2001)
: This redeco of the original ''Super Collection Figure'' Magnus figurine was available in the fourth wave of the ''SCF'' line, rendered in a color scheme based on the original [[Diaclone]] "Powered Convoy" figure, as seen in the famous [[The Transformers: The Movie promo|early trailer]] for ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. The figure was available in both full color and metallic silver "pewter" versions; the pewter version of the figure came with the head and guns of the collectible [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] "build-a-figure".
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Cybertron/Act4UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Early Colors Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''

===Heroes of Cybertron===
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Heroes of Cybertron, 2003)

:Ultra Magnus's original ''Super Collection Figure'' PVC was later released by Hasbro as part of the third wave of their ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' line. Like all the figures in the series, Magnus was given a [[light-piping]] gimmick by being cast entirely in translucent blue plastic then painted everywhere except on his eyes and the back of his head. Unlike the Japanese version, he was sold separately on a blister card.
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===MyClone===

[[Image:Myclone magnus.jpg|right|thumb]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MTF004'''
**''Accessories:'' Red display stand

:Released in the first wave of the ''[[MyClone]]'' line of Transformers PVC figures, this [[super deformed]] figure of Ultra Magnus comes with a hexagonal red display stand, which can link up with the identical stands included with other MyClone figures. His modular design allows his parts to be mixed and matched with those of any other MyClone figure.

::*''[http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/reminator3/HTML/magnustoyrev/magnusmycl.htm More information on MyClone Ultra Magnus at an Ultra Magnus fan site];''
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===Hard Hero Bust===
[[Image:Ultramagnushardhero.jpg|right|thumb|He can't deal with his lack of legs right now...]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Hard Hero bust, 2004)

: The cold-cast porcelain bust of Ultra Magnus was the 13th in [[Hard Hero]]'s series of Transformers busts. It was designed from line art by [[Dan Khanna]].

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===Generation 1 Figure-Collection===

[[Image:Bottlecap_magnus.JPG|right|thumb|]]

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-7'''
**''Accessories:'' Display base

:At only one inch in height, this Ultra Magnus "bottlecap" figurine (so named because its display base is the size of a bottlecap) was one of fourteen blindpacked figures available in Kabaya's Transformers [[Generation 1 Figure-Collection]]. The figure was rendered in a "retro" black and white color scheme and came with a leaflet, personalized with cartoon screen captures.
::*''[http://snakas.web.infoseek.co.jp/misc_item/kabaya_bottle.htm More information on the Generation 1 collection at Autobase Aichi]''
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===Palisades===
[[Image:Palisades_magnus_statue.jpg|right|thumb]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (statue, 2004)

:[[Palisades Toys]]' Ultra Magnus statue is a redeco of their Optimus Prime statue from the previous year, and was one of the first pieces of modern merchandise (if not ''the'' first) to do the whole up-til-then-mostly-ignored "white repaint of Prime" shtick, capitalizing on [[Dreamwave Productions]]' recent highlighting of Magnus's white inner robot in their [[Revelation (War and Peace)|comics]]. Sculpted from polystone and limited to 500 pieces, the statue is based on the artwork of [[Pat Lee]]. It was initially sold by Palisades exclusively at [[OTFCC 2003]], with any remaining units that did not sell at the convention later made available on the company's website.

::*''[http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/reminator3/HTML/magnustoyrev/magnusstatue.htm More information on Palisades' Ultra Magnus toy at an Ultra Magnus fan site]''
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===First 4 Figures===
[[Image:Sd_ultramagnus_statue.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''SD Ultra Magnus''' (statue, 2006)
:Seeking to produce a super deformed Transformers statue, [[First 4 Figures]] teamed up with Transformers fan site [http://www.tfw2005.com TFW2005.com] to run a contest that would allow fans to design their own. The winning design, depicting an unhappy Ultra Magnus after an amusingly unfortunate attempt at opening the Matrix of Leadership, was created by fan Xu Wei (aka Iron Bird), and was limited to only 500 pieces. A variant edition of the statue was also produced, redecoing Magnus in the color scheme of his ''Diaclone'' precursor, Powered Convoy, and was even more limited at only 100 pieces.

::*''[http://www.angelfire.com/planet/reminator6/HTML/autob/magnussdf.htm More information on SD Ultra Magnus at an Ultra Magnus fan site]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:RobotHeroes UltraMagnusMegatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He can't deal with his adorability right now!]]
*'''Ultra Magnus and Megatron''' (2007)
: ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' Ultra Magnus is a small, non-transforming, super deformed figurine featuring articulation in its head and shoulders. He was sold in a two-pack with Generation 1 [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and may be the sassiest bitch on Cybertron.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/RHUltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Robot Heroes Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''
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===Revoltech===
[[Image:Revoltech UltraMagnus.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Don't I look awesome in naked?]]
* '''Ultra Magnus''' (2007)
**''Series number:'' '''019fs'''
**''Accessories:'' Photon rifle, two clenched fists, gun-wielding right hand, pointing right hand, open left hand, right handshaking hand

: ''[[Revoltech]]'' Ultra Magnus is, unsurprisingly, a redeco of a simultaneously released Optimus Prime/Convoy figure. A non-transforming but ''highly'' articulated action figure, ''Revoltech'' Magnus uses the Revoltech "revolver joints" for maximum poseability. His sculpting is explicitly in the style of [[Pat Lee|Pat "serfdom" Lee]]'s interpretation of Prime.

: Magnus comes with a photon rifle accessory, as well as a few alternate hands, but understandably lacks the Matrix of Leadership accessory that came with Prime. In its place is a unique extra "hand", a single molded piece of Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime's hands clasped together diagonally, so that when attached to both Prime and Magnus's respective wrists, it allows one to create a scene of the two Autobot leaders shakin' like homies. Additionally, although Magnus comes pre-assembled with the standard black revolver joints that Prime has, his packaging includes a sheet of replacement white joints one can use to customize Magnus with less obtrusive matching white joints (although not enough joints of the right style are included to swap out all black joints to optimal effect).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Revoltech Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''
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===Transformers - Mini Bust===
[[Image:DST09_Ultra_Magnus_bust.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Commander of the Metro''flex''.]]
* '''Ultra Magnus''' (Diamond Select, 2009)
:Released by Diamond Select Toys in 2009, Ultra Magnus was sculpted by [[Mark Wong]] of [[Art Asylum]] and limited to 1000 pieces. He is posed holding his laser rifle above a base of the planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. His shoulder missile launchers are also positioned forward, presumably to deal with things, instead of nowhere in particular as they are in the promotional picture.

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===Most Wanted===
[[Image:G1-ultramagnus-merc-speaker.jpg|thumb|right|300px|They just keep redecoing, redecoing, redecoing Prime into Me.]]
*'''Ultra Magnus speaker tower''' (2009)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle
: As redeco of [[Most Wanted]]'s earlier [[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise#USB-Powered Speaker Head|Optimus Prime]] speaker tower, Ultra Magnus is a one-meter tall plastic figure, complete with articulated arms and removable laser rifle. The figure's removable head (itself 6.5" tall) contains a set of USB-powered speakers, mounted in two panels which rotate out from the side of his helmet. The control panel, USB port, and earphone port are located on the back of the head, and the whole assembly includes its own display base so it can be free-standing when separated from the tower body.

*'''Ultra Magnus computer speaker''' (2009)
**''ID number:'' '''TF02'''
: The Ultra Magnus speaker tower's head was also available sold separately.
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==Notes==
[[Image:TrasformerSuperBuggy.jpg|thumb|250px|The child custody battle was a long and painful process.]]
* The ''Diaclone'' toy that would become Magnus --called "Powered Convoy"-- came in a couple different varieties. Aside from the version that was eventually turned into "Movie Preview" Magnus, there was a "chrome" version that used a lighter gray outer plastic and chromed the central body/lower ramps of the trailer unit. This version was also available in a multi-pack with a red version of the toy that would become [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], and the toy that would (20-ish years later) become [[Deep Cover]].

* All versions of the ''Diaclone'' Powered Convoy toy came with a red "Powered Buggy" partner-robot that transformed from futuristic buggy (with a space for a Diaclone pilot) to robot and could also use the large rifle in either mode. Why this was excised from the ''Transformers'' incarnation is unknown. The Italian [[Trasformer]] (sic) line by [[GiG]], however, ''did'' release the vehicle as the "Super Buggy" on its own.

* White redecos of Optimus Prime toys that ''look'' like Ultra Magnus, but which surprisingly aren't, include ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Smallest Transforming Transformers|White Convoy]], ''[[Sport Label]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Sport Label|Convoy Marine Version]] and ''[[Music Label]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Music Label|Convoy —playing iPod speaker—]], although the latter was actually made from the Ultra Magnus version of the mold.

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.diaclone.net/orid/dia057/index.html Diaclone Powered Convoy at Diaclone.net (Japanese-language site)]

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User talk:Detour

2010-09-29T14:39:16Z

Item42: Accidental double-posting

Will you please stop? You've been going in the same fucking circle for what, hours? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Movie Jolt vs Movie Jolt==
Sorry if the post about Jolt not being confused with the previously released Jolt wasn't a good one... Just thought it was sort of a unique case that should be addressed, what with there being two movie Jolts, and unlike the 2007 one which didn't appear in any movies and has since been changed to a different character, also not appearing in the movies, the new Jolt is in the movie. I know that's what disambiguation is for, but I just thought it was an interesting bit of trivia that a movie character's name was already used in the movieverse, though for a different character. (not including the whole movie Arcee thing) -Cliffjumper Prime

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Revert Revert ==

Slaggit! This is like, the fourth time this has happened to me. I SPECIFICALLY checked with a preview when I was about to make the reversion, and it did NOT tell me any edits had been made since I'd started mine. Apologies for the confusion and annoyance, but I am definitely not doing this on purpose...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No worries. I know it wasn't your fault. I'm pretty sure this happened to me at least once as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. That actually makes me feel a lot better about it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treatment==
Hey, it's not uploaded anywhere anymore (but Don Murphy has no issues with us handing it around). I can send you the PDF, but I need your email. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Nunchakus==
His name is "Michelangelo". :) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:My bad. Haven't watched TMNT since the original toon. And I was never into Renaissance art or whatever era the artist namesake was from. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Airazor caption ==

Hi. I was wondering what was wrong with the old caption for the Airazor photo.
:Essentially, there's nothing wrong with the toy so criticizing it like that is pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I didn't think the caption was meant as a criticism of the toy. I thought it was meant to point out that though she was designed as a female figure, she didn't really turn out looking any more female than any other Transformer (excluding Arcee and Thunderblast). But humor is subjective, and what I find somewhat funny might not seem funny at all to someone else.
:::Airazor was designed as a male figure. The toy/character only became female on the insistence of the show writers. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::::We're talking about the caption for the Transmetal figure. I thought that one was designed from the start to be female.
:::::... oh! Did not realize. Sorry. Ignore me. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Blurr ==

He is known to be a member, which should be enough, but he is also known to appear again later in the season, both through the footage from Dubai and the teasers released on the blog. That's why I said that I believed that it ws exception enough if he wasn't a member, it wouldn't need to be moved, but both together seem to be compelling enough.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at your talk page, anything Dubai-related ''should not'' be discussed here in any capacity. We are not gloryhounds like Seibertron trying to be the first ones to announce every single giant spoiler of every single piece of media. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's great, but that's not what I am trying to say. He was announced as a character a while ago, before Dubai, and on one of the creator blogs. He's known to be in the Elite Guard, and we even know who his American voice actor is. We've even had him make his first appearance. Dubai just confirmed an episode he reappears in. That's all I'm trying to say - that we know he's in the guard, and we have confirmation from various sources of a future appearance. Hell, that we've listed his voice actor should be confirmation enough.
::And I didn't make the edit to spread spoilers - I did it to add info to a wiki, when the info is confirmed. Yes, we should not be obsessed with news, but neither should we put blinders on and wait until info is months or years old. (Hyperbole, but you get my point)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Rabbicrater Edits ==

Just FYI, the edits HooperX made were capitalizing on the fact that Rabbicrater looks like his name contains the word "rabbi", when in fact it's meant to be most of the word "rabbit". The caption gag of "L'chaim" thus becomes more obvious, though I like the current one better. As for the miscellaneous trivia, I think it's an attempt at a callback to one of the final scenes from the Mel Brooks film ''History of the World, Part 1''. So not TOTAL nonsense.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, well I don't know much about Judaism so "L'chaim" is kind of flying over my head right now (and I believe even if explained, the Yaoi Kiss Players joke will still be funnier)... And the misc trivia, well History Of The World Part 1 is one of the Mel Brooks films I have not yet had the pleasure of watching... Even then, it's kind of out of place in the same paragraph as the info about the rabbit on the moon... if Hooper wants to bring it back I would suggest he add another asterisk paragraph to point it out... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::Long story short, a robot with the word "Rabbi" in his name, even if it actually has to do with "rabbit" is ripe for Judaism gags. "L'Chaim!" is a traditional exclamation of celebration. Originally, I was just gonna put the lyrics to Hava Nagila up there, but hey. The Kiss Players thing I had to stop and stare at - the two dudes humping are kind of cut out of the frame. But hey, whatever. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, "L'chaim" is a traditional Hebrew version of "Cheers!" and literally means "To life!" I'm up for ethnic humor as much as the <s>next</s> previous guy, but I still find the KP gag funnier in this case. The thought of "Hava Negila" lyrics as a caption does make me grin, though...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Real Gear hairdryer ==

Good you took that out for now, I was just too exited to post a unreleased toy for the Movie line, so I did not stop to check if it was real or not. I'm currently looking for more info on it and will put that back up once I found proof.
By the way, what do the read minus numbers next to your edit mean?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
-Edit, I fell for a joke! it was just a joke to take the piss of the US toy gun law.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Number of characters (letters and spaces) added or removed from the total article length by this edit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::....what? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Hi ==

I'm listening and I'm sorry [[User:Gyro-Robo|Gyro-Robo]] 22:43, 8 June 2008

== Mayhem Suppression Squad‎ ==

Hello ^^ I removed the [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]] from the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] members because [[:Category:Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] is already under [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]]. Just like [[Killbison]] only under [[:Category:Breastforce]] which is contained by Combiners, Decepticons, and Victory characters. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 00:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== 1989 Character Models ==
Howdy! I saw the Bumblebee & Jazz pretender models. Do you happen to have higher resolution versions of these images that you'd be willing to share with me? Do you have any more images from this era? (The Ark III needs your help!) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

== Drift ==

Fine, have it your way! This site could be something awesome for everybody, yet guys like you persist in making it a refuge for your snide insults and negativity. --[[User:Hutch|Hutch]] 03:47, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:If it helps... even some of us here think Detour takes the AHM-bashing to ridiculous extremes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:23, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Except a lot of what he yanked out was stuff not even written by me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:25, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Some of us are OK with desnarking the overly-snarked articles. Thankfully Rosicrucian just redid the removal. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, he yanked different parts, and rewrote another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:33, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
Man, just let it go. We're trying to make the trivia sections ''smaller'', y'know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

No! Much, much bigger! I'm good with keeping the Poochie theme for SL: Drift's page, but we really, really gotta get a reference to Rurouni Kenshin on a Drift image somewhere down the line! I can't imagine McCarthy not having Kenshin in some corner of his mind when he was creating Drift. "Oh man, he'll be an ex-assassin, with a dark past he regrets, and he carries a special sword! AWESOME!" --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 16:20, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism?==
Thanks for fixing my page, I appreciate it. Apparently Mr. Anon didn't take too kindly from me having to up and leave his little "discussion". People gotta go do other things besides argue with somebody on the other side of the computer all day. So do you know how severe punishment is for vandalizing someone's User Page?---[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:In this case, I'm inclined to believe it was a simple accident. The guy isn't really all that wiki savvy, and may have just clicked on your sig and thought it was your talkpage. He's... well, I don't hold any illusions he's going to be a productive user here, but he's on a dynamic IP and isn't outright harmful so I'm not sure what a block would accomplish.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::True, I didn't take that into account. I tend to jump to the vandalism claim (or any claim honestly) a little too gung-ho sometimes, and this is one of those times.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:27, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::S'okay. I mean, I'd be lying if I said my cursor didn't hover over the block button on him while I thought about it. Trouble is his two IPs so far don't even seem to share a common subnet, so even an IP range ban wouldn't be viable. If he becomes genuinely abusive lemme know and I'd be happy to play whack-a-mole with his IPs.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm new here. Won't happen again, trust me.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 20:59, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

*Z-z-zay, is it no vandalism to undo the another's additionz-z-z-z without any explanation? What's wrong with z-z-z-z-them?--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 01:11, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:They didn't make any sense. You should stick to adding to the synopsis/etc. because your English seems to slip right down to nonsensical when you do captions. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:47, 1 December 2009 (EST)

==Barricade ROTF DS game==
Why instand of deleting it why dont you fix all my misspelling i have the game and all barricade parts are true.--[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:So... the burden is on ''us'' to fix what you write?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because neither I nor anyone else on the wiki is your personal spellchecker. If you want your edits to stick, put some effort into it and that includes using proper English. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one ==

"The identity of ze little one is a bit on the fraught side. In the flyover shot of the barge on which the four Constructicons sit, a red bulldozer (Rampage), a concrete mixer (Mixmaster), a dump truck (Long Haul) and a yellow front-end loader are visible. The yellow front-end loader is the alternate mode of the Constructicon Scrapper, and ze little one's robot mode appears to be the same as Scrapper's. As such, the temptation to just consider this a Scrapper unit is great... except that, after the flyover shot, the yellow loader disappears, and is replaced with a yellow Volvo excavator, clearly marked with a large Decepticon insignia. For the purposes of reducing headaches, we're assuming that the excavator is the "correct" vehicle mode, and that it just happens to transform into a robot mode that resembles Scrapper...even though it's not him. "

I wasn't aware of the decision that had reached on the "Ze little one" page, so I didn't realize that this was the reasoning being used. I can agree with this, and I'm sorry the discussion got so hostile. Have a great week.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:30, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== SG Ark & SG Nemesis ==

I'd just have Derik's bot fix those links along with the rest. I only fixed the others because there was about 2-3 links each instead of the 60+ for those two pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks for giving me my username==

Seriously best alias ever [[User:Potty Mouth Anon|Potty Mouth Anon]] 01:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

== TFA: S.P.'s amnesia ==

You completely sure about that? Seemed like a kind of joke to me - Wasp going through this whole list of humiliation and Sentinel denying it while keeping a straight face.
EDIT: sorry for double posting, my browser's acting a little strange [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:26, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Except Sentinel finishes the scene by saying "Wait a minute, that was you?" He genuinely doesn't remember, only recalling it then and there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:27, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oookay, my bad. Seems like his ego is powerful enough to erase memories of minor, non-significant beings like Wasp, Bee or Bulky... [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:45, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Deaths of Optimus Prime "fanon"==
That... wasn't fanon. It was more awkwardly phrased, but consistent with how it was portrayed in the episode. Aerialbots even say, to my recollection, that there are "others at the hanger." Elita-1 was rebuilt. Dion wasn't mentioned. What part of that is fanon, and why did that give you the right to allcaps that dude into submission for it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well it explicitly said in the anon guy's contribution way back there that "Ariel and Dion were also rebuilt" (followed by an awkward parenthesis saying Ariel at least). Plus, the episode itself is awkwardly phrased... Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel" as though he actually meant to say "there's another one back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel". After Orion is rebuilt as Prime, there's no concern for any "others" and they only speak of Ariel, whom Alpha Trion says he'll "send droids out for". No mention at all that he'd rebuild other casualties of the hangar massacre. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::Another interpretation: Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, [for example] his girlfriend Ariel." Otherwise, he's not being correct when he says there are "otherS" there. Plural. I'm not saying that Alpha Trion rebuilt anybody other than Prime and Elita, or that we have any evidence thereof. I'm saying what the guy wrote, in that particular revision, was technically correct. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The ''best'' kind of correct. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:06, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

== the Peter Cullen photo. ==

I know the person who is in that picture. I thought it would be fun depicting him being the nice guy that he is. If you want me to identify where I got the image from, I can link you right to the source. [[User:Unicron|Unicron]] 02:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== editing ==

sorry about the starscream page, but did you really have to edit out '''''everything''''' I did? [[User:Masterman555|Masterman555]] 22:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well, yeah. You screwed up the formatting and the order of figures in the toy section, messed with captions and changed all the thumbnails to ungodly huge sizes. It's pretty standard procedure to undo that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Robot Heroes Thrust eyes==
Thank you for correcting that, I just took an even closer look to the toy and realized I had made a mistake.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:39, 12 November 2009 (EST)

== IDW ==

Oh come on, dude. We can take the piss out of IDW sometimes, but that last edit was a bit much.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:43, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:Not even my words there. But like a lot have said... Continuum is pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. And really, their own page needs a dose of piss-taking-out too, no matter how slight. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:46, 12 November 2009 (EST)
What Rosi said. No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:52, 12 November 2009 (EST)

==British English spellings==
Please read [[Help:Style_guide#National_varieties_of_English]], it mentions guidelines to spelling that may help you. As Club material is published by a company based in Texas, I went with the American English. Keep British English spelling in the UK articles. [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 10:06, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Captions==
Detour, He-l-en has been contributing to the Armada episode articles in a generally positive manner. Please stop reverting her caption changes. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:27, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:Positive, yes, but thus far little more than minor summary changes in Armada... followed by large doses of captioning. I'll lay off since you asked me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:01, 29 November 2009 (EST) (I can still change his captions to different ones if I come up with better ones, though, right?)
::I am trying to handle the situation in a delicate manner; He-l-en is both a new user and someone whose first language is not English, so we cannot immediately expect her to know every facet of our policy right away. Reverting a person's edits without telling them why is not a good way to grow new users. I'm just trying to be courteous. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:15, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::Well, it's not like we don't always revert people who aren't doing anything but changing captions. He-l-en is at least also contributing a little bit of info, but we still generally tell people to leave the captions alone when they're new and just worry about adding actual info to the articles. (And it's not like we don't have plenty of Help guides available to read, either...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:20, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::::''We'' know we change people's captions back, yes, but I am inclined to be more lenient to someone who has only been around for two days... hrm. Actually, I am inspired. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:57, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::::His English seems to have landslided down to "nonsensical" once he started editing captions... Can I revert those, at least? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Sideways Part-swapping pics ==

Detour-
I do have pics of the part-swapped Sideways, however I am not sure how to upload them to the Wiki and add them to the page. If you'd like, I can e-mail them to you if you PM Ultrawave over at TFW2005 (that is my account). Unless there is another way to upload them that I am not aware of? [[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 04:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Made a Photobucket and uploaded my pic to satisfy your curiousity-- [http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af279/Blitzgear/DSCN0897.jpg] =)[[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 18:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Sari Edit ==
why did you edit my addition to the page? what i typed was factual. --[[User:0utrun|0utrun]] 23:16, 30 December 2009 (EST)

== Blackarachnia "hit it with a shovel" joke ==

Why do you deem it so important to take the joke out? It works, it fills an empty caption space, so why? Seriously, Why? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:09, 6 January 2010 (EST)

== Lockdown's position as a bounty hunter. ==

This isn't something like revealing the gimmicks to a toy or an electronic voice, or even a street date. It's no secret that the ROTF figure is based off a "bounty hunter", you've seen the card say he's a "bounty hunter" regardless if it isn't officially released, is the addition of a category "Bounty Hunter" seriously enough to get you this unnecessarily riled up? It's not like I'm saying something like he's an Autobot sympathizer or something. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:20, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==Captions==
No one appointed '''you''' the master of captioning. You're acting like a goddamn jackboot, so take a time-out. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:59, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==My Grammar==
Well i going to tell you why i have bad grammar, i have good grammar BUT i type so freaking Fast in result i make typos, Aslo there some words that i cant spell, aslo i try to slow down but then i start to write fast again -Eagc7
: Then either slow down enough so you can write competently, or don't write at all so we don't spend so much time cleaning up your amazingly-sized mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:38, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Why did you remove my edit? ==

The article discusses fanfiction, so I named two common pairings as an example. It seemed relevant. [[User:CH|CH]] 16:25, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Because the fandom is so large, fragmented and clique-esque that there's really no way to measure what's relevant/common unless it's completely widespread, as in to the point that even average fans that don't read fanfic are familiar with the concepts used. Megatron/Starscream pairings probably predate Beast Wars itself, Starscream/Alexis was a freakin' epidemic for a time. Those are somewhat "worthy" of mention (in a squicky infamous way). Prime/Mikaela and Bumblebee/Sam, however? Although I'm not shocked they exist, I don't believe the average fans would know for certain that they do. And it isn't really quite as notable (again, Starscream/Alexis being an epidemic), no more than hypothetical pairings like Cheetor/Una or Sky-Byte/Koji.. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:37, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::''Friend of Autobots''
::''Sometimes he talks to me too''
::''My spark fills with joy'' --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Right..... ==

[http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Beast_Machines_(cartoon)&curid=15&diff=430695&oldid=430694 What was that weird edit summary all about?] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:56, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Look at your keyboard, and look at each letter to the left of the letter I typed. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:12, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::It seems we use very different keyboards. All I'm getting is gibberish. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:32, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::It says "something's wrong with my eyes," okay? Big hairy deal. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== Double dash template ==
Works just 100% fine on Opera and in Firefox and in IE7, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. The whole purpose it was created was to clear things without creating gaps above the headers. So stop changing it every time I fix the formatting, as you're driving me insane and I'm going to start reverting you every time you do it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:48, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Well it doesn't work on me in neither IE nor Firefox. So clearly the coding for it must be flawed somehow. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::IIRC, you're one of the folks using IE6, aren't you? That would explain that part, if so. As for Firefox, it works fine on Firefox for me, so I just don't know what you're talking about there. (I also checked IE7 and it works fine there as well...)
::But in any case, bring it up with Derik to fix any problems rather than constantly removing it, considering the whole reason the template exists to begin with is to solve an issue folks used to be griping about. About the only issue I've ever had is that there has to be no line return space between the dash template and the following header, but that's easily tweaked while editing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, I'm one of the five people on Earth still using IE6. I like the button layout better, sue me. But I do have Firefox 3.5.6 and <nowiki>{{--}}</nowiki> does the same amount of jack squattage. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::You do realize button layouts are easily changed in most browsers, yes? (And I'd think lots of broken sites with missing features would be a bigger annoyance... having to surf using IE6 at one of my jobs last year was downright painful, it's missing so many useful standards.)
::::But, like I said, never had issues with FF at all. And even if there are, again, have Derik tweak the CSS, rather than unfixing the formatting fixes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:13, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== *sigh* "first edit ever" ==

fact is I've been editing over the years and adding useful tid bits here and there, but the wiki just can't seem to hold a proper account. so I start a new and get treated like a punk. gratitude for ya.

And yeah, the tone really isn't to my liking. Derek J Wyatt puts down Beachcomber and everyone treats it as canon that the character is not well liked. well I like him! And think the article should be more even handed.

So tell me, how am I supposed to get started here? I can't edit "the funny" as I've been told the last time I tried a permanent account, I can't help to rewrite an article, what do you want from me? When to I earn the right to call out the Beach Comber page for being offensive? --[[User:Stly92|Stly92]] 01:15, March 18, 2010 (EST)

== Jim-Bob's Diner is indeed a reference to James Roberts ==

[[Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Jim-Bob's Diner]] is, in fact, a reference to ''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' co-writer [[James Roberts]]. Nick Roche said it himself [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=161572#161572]. (At first, '''I''' thought--and was '''very sure'''--it was a reference to '''Jim''' Salicrup and '''Bob''' Budiansky.) --[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 19:40, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
:Well then that belongs in the Notes... not a confusing random link in the middle of the synopsis. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:06, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

== Last Dutch Issue ==

The IP Anon [[Special:Contributions/195.240.16.74|195.240.16.74]] removed the "last Dutch issue" sentence from "[[The Void! (US)|The Void!]]" because he was shifting it to "[[On the Edge of Extinction!]]" Now, this may require verification (which is why I'm not undoing your reversal yet), but at least it's not a random act of Anon vandalism.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 11:24, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, I reverted it before he did the rest. I don't know who to ask for verification, though. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:50, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::Looks like the anon was actually [[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] not logged in. Good enough to allow now, or do we still need a citation? Sunjumper mentions on his anon-IP talk page (linked in just above, there) where he saw mention of the last-issue status.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 13:13, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::If he's Dutch, sure. You're in the better position to make that call anyway. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:41, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Based on his recent contribution to the BW article, I'd say he his. Well and good, then.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:18, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

== Anon-made G1 Cast List ==

I'll grant I didn't do more than a rough glance over it, so I can't vouch for its accuracy, but it WAS in keeping with our formatting for other TV series' front pages. Granted, the cast's much larger and so may be too overwhelming a list for the page, but in principle, it wasn't a ''wrong'' idea. Might be worth adding a notice as to why the G1 TV series page would differ in that respect from other series'.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:29, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== Toy Swapping ==

Look, I am sorry to keep adding tat. I just thought it was important to have in the article, because it was under the same idea. And just so you know, this whole website is full of crappy, big, poorly written sections and just want to help improve some facts not added. So you can take that comment and stick it were it belongs. I just tried to add something.

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== Toy Swapping 2 ==

I am sorry for the previous comment made by myself about the edit. I was in a really bad mood and would not tolerate anything. I will stop trying to edit or fix any articles to fix things that people deleted that I made. I do sincerly apologize. People have been quite rude to me on this website and I was starting to get stressed. Not to mention I have major anger manigment issues. I am quite sorry for my comments.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 12:37, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

== Hey. ==

Yo, be quiet bitch. {{unsigned|TheRex4441}}
:Keep it polite, please. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:39, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

== Prime VAs ==

The editor was right about Optimus & Megatron's VAs, he just didn't have the right source. (It was revealed in a recent BotCon panel.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:12, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

==edit war==
If this edit war does not stop in five minutes and people don't stop getting aggressive at each other, all three of you are getting a time-out. The note is pretty pointless, at best it would be only on Prime Soundwave's page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:28, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

==Translation help==
Hey, Detour. Since you speak French, could you help me by correcting any bad translations I have for the French ''Animated'' episode titles [[User:Interrobang/Crap|here]]? Thanks! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:24, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:Done. Egads, epic fail on the dub team on translating Five Servos Of Doom. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:06, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks! That was one of the titles that threw me off. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:21, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== Cloaca joke? ==

Was there something wrong with [[Airazor (BW)|it]]? [[Special:Contributions/72.229.51.77|72.229.51.77]] 15:22, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

== Anon reverts==
When a dude changes something, and you change it back, and he changes it back with comment asking why it's changed... it might be better, if you're going to simply revert it again, to at least leave a comment of your own, explaining why? If he's explaining his actions, you owe that same courtesy back, even if he's in the wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:25, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:You're absolutely right, and I can't for the life of me remember WHY I didn't do just that. It's been hectic in my neck of the woods these past few days, I apologize. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:02, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
::Come to think of it, I think the reason might've been that I meant to leave the explanation on his talk page, but ended up being sidetracked by other things. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:03, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nice caption ==

<nowiki>:</nowiki>D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:40, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
:Hah, I was just waiting for someone to add a pic of him so I could throw add that caption. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:41, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Decepticon Drone ==

I am sorry. I thought it looked simmilar, due to the Red T visor, silver and black head, but not the body.

== [[Katsuyuki Konishi]] and [[Frank Miller]] ==

My joke(s) may be weak, but
#I wasn't violating any [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|caption policies]].
#I uploaded the [[Frank Miller]] image. I deserve a caption or something.
#[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Links that overexplain jokes|Explaining the joke is not funny]].
#(Regarding the link I put at the Konishi caption):
:* A straight quote from Gurren Lagann isn't really very funny by itself.
:* Frank Miller isn't someone you'd think to find on TFWiki. I'd like to show people that he does belong here and how nteresting a coincidence it is, that ''both'' sources of the line contributed to TF. I imagine people reading the link would be like: "Oh yeah, there's also that. Wait, this wiki has an article on F. Miller? What has he got to do with TF? Gonna check that."
But really, I'm more upset about your changing of the caption at Frank Miller for reason number 2. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

User talk:Detour

2010-09-29T14:38:43Z

Item42: /* Katsuyuki Konishi and Frank Miller */ new section

Will you please stop? You've been going in the same fucking circle for what, hours? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Movie Jolt vs Movie Jolt==
Sorry if the post about Jolt not being confused with the previously released Jolt wasn't a good one... Just thought it was sort of a unique case that should be addressed, what with there being two movie Jolts, and unlike the 2007 one which didn't appear in any movies and has since been changed to a different character, also not appearing in the movies, the new Jolt is in the movie. I know that's what disambiguation is for, but I just thought it was an interesting bit of trivia that a movie character's name was already used in the movieverse, though for a different character. (not including the whole movie Arcee thing) -Cliffjumper Prime

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Revert Revert ==

Slaggit! This is like, the fourth time this has happened to me. I SPECIFICALLY checked with a preview when I was about to make the reversion, and it did NOT tell me any edits had been made since I'd started mine. Apologies for the confusion and annoyance, but I am definitely not doing this on purpose...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No worries. I know it wasn't your fault. I'm pretty sure this happened to me at least once as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. That actually makes me feel a lot better about it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treatment==
Hey, it's not uploaded anywhere anymore (but Don Murphy has no issues with us handing it around). I can send you the PDF, but I need your email. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Nunchakus==
His name is "Michelangelo". :) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:My bad. Haven't watched TMNT since the original toon. And I was never into Renaissance art or whatever era the artist namesake was from. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Airazor caption ==

Hi. I was wondering what was wrong with the old caption for the Airazor photo.
:Essentially, there's nothing wrong with the toy so criticizing it like that is pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I didn't think the caption was meant as a criticism of the toy. I thought it was meant to point out that though she was designed as a female figure, she didn't really turn out looking any more female than any other Transformer (excluding Arcee and Thunderblast). But humor is subjective, and what I find somewhat funny might not seem funny at all to someone else.
:::Airazor was designed as a male figure. The toy/character only became female on the insistence of the show writers. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::::We're talking about the caption for the Transmetal figure. I thought that one was designed from the start to be female.
:::::... oh! Did not realize. Sorry. Ignore me. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Blurr ==

He is known to be a member, which should be enough, but he is also known to appear again later in the season, both through the footage from Dubai and the teasers released on the blog. That's why I said that I believed that it ws exception enough if he wasn't a member, it wouldn't need to be moved, but both together seem to be compelling enough.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at your talk page, anything Dubai-related ''should not'' be discussed here in any capacity. We are not gloryhounds like Seibertron trying to be the first ones to announce every single giant spoiler of every single piece of media. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's great, but that's not what I am trying to say. He was announced as a character a while ago, before Dubai, and on one of the creator blogs. He's known to be in the Elite Guard, and we even know who his American voice actor is. We've even had him make his first appearance. Dubai just confirmed an episode he reappears in. That's all I'm trying to say - that we know he's in the guard, and we have confirmation from various sources of a future appearance. Hell, that we've listed his voice actor should be confirmation enough.
::And I didn't make the edit to spread spoilers - I did it to add info to a wiki, when the info is confirmed. Yes, we should not be obsessed with news, but neither should we put blinders on and wait until info is months or years old. (Hyperbole, but you get my point)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Rabbicrater Edits ==

Just FYI, the edits HooperX made were capitalizing on the fact that Rabbicrater looks like his name contains the word "rabbi", when in fact it's meant to be most of the word "rabbit". The caption gag of "L'chaim" thus becomes more obvious, though I like the current one better. As for the miscellaneous trivia, I think it's an attempt at a callback to one of the final scenes from the Mel Brooks film ''History of the World, Part 1''. So not TOTAL nonsense.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, well I don't know much about Judaism so "L'chaim" is kind of flying over my head right now (and I believe even if explained, the Yaoi Kiss Players joke will still be funnier)... And the misc trivia, well History Of The World Part 1 is one of the Mel Brooks films I have not yet had the pleasure of watching... Even then, it's kind of out of place in the same paragraph as the info about the rabbit on the moon... if Hooper wants to bring it back I would suggest he add another asterisk paragraph to point it out... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::Long story short, a robot with the word "Rabbi" in his name, even if it actually has to do with "rabbit" is ripe for Judaism gags. "L'Chaim!" is a traditional exclamation of celebration. Originally, I was just gonna put the lyrics to Hava Nagila up there, but hey. The Kiss Players thing I had to stop and stare at - the two dudes humping are kind of cut out of the frame. But hey, whatever. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, "L'chaim" is a traditional Hebrew version of "Cheers!" and literally means "To life!" I'm up for ethnic humor as much as the <s>next</s> previous guy, but I still find the KP gag funnier in this case. The thought of "Hava Negila" lyrics as a caption does make me grin, though...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Real Gear hairdryer ==

Good you took that out for now, I was just too exited to post a unreleased toy for the Movie line, so I did not stop to check if it was real or not. I'm currently looking for more info on it and will put that back up once I found proof.
By the way, what do the read minus numbers next to your edit mean?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
-Edit, I fell for a joke! it was just a joke to take the piss of the US toy gun law.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Number of characters (letters and spaces) added or removed from the total article length by this edit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::....what? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Hi ==

I'm listening and I'm sorry [[User:Gyro-Robo|Gyro-Robo]] 22:43, 8 June 2008

== Mayhem Suppression Squad‎ ==

Hello ^^ I removed the [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]] from the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] members because [[:Category:Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] is already under [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]]. Just like [[Killbison]] only under [[:Category:Breastforce]] which is contained by Combiners, Decepticons, and Victory characters. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 00:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== 1989 Character Models ==
Howdy! I saw the Bumblebee & Jazz pretender models. Do you happen to have higher resolution versions of these images that you'd be willing to share with me? Do you have any more images from this era? (The Ark III needs your help!) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

== Drift ==

Fine, have it your way! This site could be something awesome for everybody, yet guys like you persist in making it a refuge for your snide insults and negativity. --[[User:Hutch|Hutch]] 03:47, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:If it helps... even some of us here think Detour takes the AHM-bashing to ridiculous extremes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:23, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Except a lot of what he yanked out was stuff not even written by me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:25, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Some of us are OK with desnarking the overly-snarked articles. Thankfully Rosicrucian just redid the removal. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, he yanked different parts, and rewrote another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:33, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
Man, just let it go. We're trying to make the trivia sections ''smaller'', y'know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

No! Much, much bigger! I'm good with keeping the Poochie theme for SL: Drift's page, but we really, really gotta get a reference to Rurouni Kenshin on a Drift image somewhere down the line! I can't imagine McCarthy not having Kenshin in some corner of his mind when he was creating Drift. "Oh man, he'll be an ex-assassin, with a dark past he regrets, and he carries a special sword! AWESOME!" --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 16:20, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism?==
Thanks for fixing my page, I appreciate it. Apparently Mr. Anon didn't take too kindly from me having to up and leave his little "discussion". People gotta go do other things besides argue with somebody on the other side of the computer all day. So do you know how severe punishment is for vandalizing someone's User Page?---[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:In this case, I'm inclined to believe it was a simple accident. The guy isn't really all that wiki savvy, and may have just clicked on your sig and thought it was your talkpage. He's... well, I don't hold any illusions he's going to be a productive user here, but he's on a dynamic IP and isn't outright harmful so I'm not sure what a block would accomplish.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::True, I didn't take that into account. I tend to jump to the vandalism claim (or any claim honestly) a little too gung-ho sometimes, and this is one of those times.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:27, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::S'okay. I mean, I'd be lying if I said my cursor didn't hover over the block button on him while I thought about it. Trouble is his two IPs so far don't even seem to share a common subnet, so even an IP range ban wouldn't be viable. If he becomes genuinely abusive lemme know and I'd be happy to play whack-a-mole with his IPs.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm new here. Won't happen again, trust me.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 20:59, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

*Z-z-zay, is it no vandalism to undo the another's additionz-z-z-z without any explanation? What's wrong with z-z-z-z-them?--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 01:11, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:They didn't make any sense. You should stick to adding to the synopsis/etc. because your English seems to slip right down to nonsensical when you do captions. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:47, 1 December 2009 (EST)

==Barricade ROTF DS game==
Why instand of deleting it why dont you fix all my misspelling i have the game and all barricade parts are true.--[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:So... the burden is on ''us'' to fix what you write?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because neither I nor anyone else on the wiki is your personal spellchecker. If you want your edits to stick, put some effort into it and that includes using proper English. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one ==

"The identity of ze little one is a bit on the fraught side. In the flyover shot of the barge on which the four Constructicons sit, a red bulldozer (Rampage), a concrete mixer (Mixmaster), a dump truck (Long Haul) and a yellow front-end loader are visible. The yellow front-end loader is the alternate mode of the Constructicon Scrapper, and ze little one's robot mode appears to be the same as Scrapper's. As such, the temptation to just consider this a Scrapper unit is great... except that, after the flyover shot, the yellow loader disappears, and is replaced with a yellow Volvo excavator, clearly marked with a large Decepticon insignia. For the purposes of reducing headaches, we're assuming that the excavator is the "correct" vehicle mode, and that it just happens to transform into a robot mode that resembles Scrapper...even though it's not him. "

I wasn't aware of the decision that had reached on the "Ze little one" page, so I didn't realize that this was the reasoning being used. I can agree with this, and I'm sorry the discussion got so hostile. Have a great week.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:30, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== SG Ark & SG Nemesis ==

I'd just have Derik's bot fix those links along with the rest. I only fixed the others because there was about 2-3 links each instead of the 60+ for those two pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks for giving me my username==

Seriously best alias ever [[User:Potty Mouth Anon|Potty Mouth Anon]] 01:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

== TFA: S.P.'s amnesia ==

You completely sure about that? Seemed like a kind of joke to me - Wasp going through this whole list of humiliation and Sentinel denying it while keeping a straight face.
EDIT: sorry for double posting, my browser's acting a little strange [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:26, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Except Sentinel finishes the scene by saying "Wait a minute, that was you?" He genuinely doesn't remember, only recalling it then and there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:27, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oookay, my bad. Seems like his ego is powerful enough to erase memories of minor, non-significant beings like Wasp, Bee or Bulky... [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:45, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Deaths of Optimus Prime "fanon"==
That... wasn't fanon. It was more awkwardly phrased, but consistent with how it was portrayed in the episode. Aerialbots even say, to my recollection, that there are "others at the hanger." Elita-1 was rebuilt. Dion wasn't mentioned. What part of that is fanon, and why did that give you the right to allcaps that dude into submission for it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well it explicitly said in the anon guy's contribution way back there that "Ariel and Dion were also rebuilt" (followed by an awkward parenthesis saying Ariel at least). Plus, the episode itself is awkwardly phrased... Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel" as though he actually meant to say "there's another one back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel". After Orion is rebuilt as Prime, there's no concern for any "others" and they only speak of Ariel, whom Alpha Trion says he'll "send droids out for". No mention at all that he'd rebuild other casualties of the hangar massacre. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::Another interpretation: Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, [for example] his girlfriend Ariel." Otherwise, he's not being correct when he says there are "otherS" there. Plural. I'm not saying that Alpha Trion rebuilt anybody other than Prime and Elita, or that we have any evidence thereof. I'm saying what the guy wrote, in that particular revision, was technically correct. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The ''best'' kind of correct. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:06, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

== the Peter Cullen photo. ==

I know the person who is in that picture. I thought it would be fun depicting him being the nice guy that he is. If you want me to identify where I got the image from, I can link you right to the source. [[User:Unicron|Unicron]] 02:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== editing ==

sorry about the starscream page, but did you really have to edit out '''''everything''''' I did? [[User:Masterman555|Masterman555]] 22:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well, yeah. You screwed up the formatting and the order of figures in the toy section, messed with captions and changed all the thumbnails to ungodly huge sizes. It's pretty standard procedure to undo that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Robot Heroes Thrust eyes==
Thank you for correcting that, I just took an even closer look to the toy and realized I had made a mistake.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:39, 12 November 2009 (EST)

== IDW ==

Oh come on, dude. We can take the piss out of IDW sometimes, but that last edit was a bit much.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:43, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:Not even my words there. But like a lot have said... Continuum is pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. And really, their own page needs a dose of piss-taking-out too, no matter how slight. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:46, 12 November 2009 (EST)
What Rosi said. No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:52, 12 November 2009 (EST)

==British English spellings==
Please read [[Help:Style_guide#National_varieties_of_English]], it mentions guidelines to spelling that may help you. As Club material is published by a company based in Texas, I went with the American English. Keep British English spelling in the UK articles. [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 10:06, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Captions==
Detour, He-l-en has been contributing to the Armada episode articles in a generally positive manner. Please stop reverting her caption changes. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:27, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:Positive, yes, but thus far little more than minor summary changes in Armada... followed by large doses of captioning. I'll lay off since you asked me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:01, 29 November 2009 (EST) (I can still change his captions to different ones if I come up with better ones, though, right?)
::I am trying to handle the situation in a delicate manner; He-l-en is both a new user and someone whose first language is not English, so we cannot immediately expect her to know every facet of our policy right away. Reverting a person's edits without telling them why is not a good way to grow new users. I'm just trying to be courteous. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:15, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::Well, it's not like we don't always revert people who aren't doing anything but changing captions. He-l-en is at least also contributing a little bit of info, but we still generally tell people to leave the captions alone when they're new and just worry about adding actual info to the articles. (And it's not like we don't have plenty of Help guides available to read, either...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:20, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::::''We'' know we change people's captions back, yes, but I am inclined to be more lenient to someone who has only been around for two days... hrm. Actually, I am inspired. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:57, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::::His English seems to have landslided down to "nonsensical" once he started editing captions... Can I revert those, at least? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Sideways Part-swapping pics ==

Detour-
I do have pics of the part-swapped Sideways, however I am not sure how to upload them to the Wiki and add them to the page. If you'd like, I can e-mail them to you if you PM Ultrawave over at TFW2005 (that is my account). Unless there is another way to upload them that I am not aware of? [[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 04:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Made a Photobucket and uploaded my pic to satisfy your curiousity-- [http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af279/Blitzgear/DSCN0897.jpg] =)[[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 18:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Sari Edit ==
why did you edit my addition to the page? what i typed was factual. --[[User:0utrun|0utrun]] 23:16, 30 December 2009 (EST)

== Blackarachnia "hit it with a shovel" joke ==

Why do you deem it so important to take the joke out? It works, it fills an empty caption space, so why? Seriously, Why? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:09, 6 January 2010 (EST)

== Lockdown's position as a bounty hunter. ==

This isn't something like revealing the gimmicks to a toy or an electronic voice, or even a street date. It's no secret that the ROTF figure is based off a "bounty hunter", you've seen the card say he's a "bounty hunter" regardless if it isn't officially released, is the addition of a category "Bounty Hunter" seriously enough to get you this unnecessarily riled up? It's not like I'm saying something like he's an Autobot sympathizer or something. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:20, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==Captions==
No one appointed '''you''' the master of captioning. You're acting like a goddamn jackboot, so take a time-out. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:59, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==My Grammar==
Well i going to tell you why i have bad grammar, i have good grammar BUT i type so freaking Fast in result i make typos, Aslo there some words that i cant spell, aslo i try to slow down but then i start to write fast again -Eagc7
: Then either slow down enough so you can write competently, or don't write at all so we don't spend so much time cleaning up your amazingly-sized mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:38, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Why did you remove my edit? ==

The article discusses fanfiction, so I named two common pairings as an example. It seemed relevant. [[User:CH|CH]] 16:25, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Because the fandom is so large, fragmented and clique-esque that there's really no way to measure what's relevant/common unless it's completely widespread, as in to the point that even average fans that don't read fanfic are familiar with the concepts used. Megatron/Starscream pairings probably predate Beast Wars itself, Starscream/Alexis was a freakin' epidemic for a time. Those are somewhat "worthy" of mention (in a squicky infamous way). Prime/Mikaela and Bumblebee/Sam, however? Although I'm not shocked they exist, I don't believe the average fans would know for certain that they do. And it isn't really quite as notable (again, Starscream/Alexis being an epidemic), no more than hypothetical pairings like Cheetor/Una or Sky-Byte/Koji.. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:37, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::''Friend of Autobots''
::''Sometimes he talks to me too''
::''My spark fills with joy'' --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Right..... ==

[http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Beast_Machines_(cartoon)&curid=15&diff=430695&oldid=430694 What was that weird edit summary all about?] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:56, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Look at your keyboard, and look at each letter to the left of the letter I typed. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:12, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::It seems we use very different keyboards. All I'm getting is gibberish. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:32, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::It says "something's wrong with my eyes," okay? Big hairy deal. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== Double dash template ==
Works just 100% fine on Opera and in Firefox and in IE7, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. The whole purpose it was created was to clear things without creating gaps above the headers. So stop changing it every time I fix the formatting, as you're driving me insane and I'm going to start reverting you every time you do it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:48, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Well it doesn't work on me in neither IE nor Firefox. So clearly the coding for it must be flawed somehow. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::IIRC, you're one of the folks using IE6, aren't you? That would explain that part, if so. As for Firefox, it works fine on Firefox for me, so I just don't know what you're talking about there. (I also checked IE7 and it works fine there as well...)
::But in any case, bring it up with Derik to fix any problems rather than constantly removing it, considering the whole reason the template exists to begin with is to solve an issue folks used to be griping about. About the only issue I've ever had is that there has to be no line return space between the dash template and the following header, but that's easily tweaked while editing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, I'm one of the five people on Earth still using IE6. I like the button layout better, sue me. But I do have Firefox 3.5.6 and <nowiki>{{--}}</nowiki> does the same amount of jack squattage. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::You do realize button layouts are easily changed in most browsers, yes? (And I'd think lots of broken sites with missing features would be a bigger annoyance... having to surf using IE6 at one of my jobs last year was downright painful, it's missing so many useful standards.)
::::But, like I said, never had issues with FF at all. And even if there are, again, have Derik tweak the CSS, rather than unfixing the formatting fixes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:13, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== *sigh* "first edit ever" ==

fact is I've been editing over the years and adding useful tid bits here and there, but the wiki just can't seem to hold a proper account. so I start a new and get treated like a punk. gratitude for ya.

And yeah, the tone really isn't to my liking. Derek J Wyatt puts down Beachcomber and everyone treats it as canon that the character is not well liked. well I like him! And think the article should be more even handed.

So tell me, how am I supposed to get started here? I can't edit "the funny" as I've been told the last time I tried a permanent account, I can't help to rewrite an article, what do you want from me? When to I earn the right to call out the Beach Comber page for being offensive? --[[User:Stly92|Stly92]] 01:15, March 18, 2010 (EST)

== Jim-Bob's Diner is indeed a reference to James Roberts ==

[[Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Jim-Bob's Diner]] is, in fact, a reference to ''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' co-writer [[James Roberts]]. Nick Roche said it himself [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=161572#161572]. (At first, '''I''' thought--and was '''very sure'''--it was a reference to '''Jim''' Salicrup and '''Bob''' Budiansky.) --[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 19:40, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
:Well then that belongs in the Notes... not a confusing random link in the middle of the synopsis. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:06, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

== Last Dutch Issue ==

The IP Anon [[Special:Contributions/195.240.16.74|195.240.16.74]] removed the "last Dutch issue" sentence from "[[The Void! (US)|The Void!]]" because he was shifting it to "[[On the Edge of Extinction!]]" Now, this may require verification (which is why I'm not undoing your reversal yet), but at least it's not a random act of Anon vandalism.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 11:24, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, I reverted it before he did the rest. I don't know who to ask for verification, though. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:50, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::Looks like the anon was actually [[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] not logged in. Good enough to allow now, or do we still need a citation? Sunjumper mentions on his anon-IP talk page (linked in just above, there) where he saw mention of the last-issue status.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 13:13, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::If he's Dutch, sure. You're in the better position to make that call anyway. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:41, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Based on his recent contribution to the BW article, I'd say he his. Well and good, then.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:18, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

== Anon-made G1 Cast List ==

I'll grant I didn't do more than a rough glance over it, so I can't vouch for its accuracy, but it WAS in keeping with our formatting for other TV series' front pages. Granted, the cast's much larger and so may be too overwhelming a list for the page, but in principle, it wasn't a ''wrong'' idea. Might be worth adding a notice as to why the G1 TV series page would differ in that respect from other series'.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:29, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== Toy Swapping ==

Look, I am sorry to keep adding tat. I just thought it was important to have in the article, because it was under the same idea. And just so you know, this whole website is full of crappy, big, poorly written sections and just want to help improve some facts not added. So you can take that comment and stick it were it belongs. I just tried to add something.

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== Toy Swapping 2 ==

I am sorry for the previous comment made by myself about the edit. I was in a really bad mood and would not tolerate anything. I will stop trying to edit or fix any articles to fix things that people deleted that I made. I do sincerly apologize. People have been quite rude to me on this website and I was starting to get stressed. Not to mention I have major anger manigment issues. I am quite sorry for my comments.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 12:37, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

== Hey. ==

Yo, be quiet bitch. {{unsigned|TheRex4441}}
:Keep it polite, please. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:39, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

== Prime VAs ==

The editor was right about Optimus & Megatron's VAs, he just didn't have the right source. (It was revealed in a recent BotCon panel.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:12, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

==edit war==
If this edit war does not stop in five minutes and people don't stop getting aggressive at each other, all three of you are getting a time-out. The note is pretty pointless, at best it would be only on Prime Soundwave's page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:28, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

==Translation help==
Hey, Detour. Since you speak French, could you help me by correcting any bad translations I have for the French ''Animated'' episode titles [[User:Interrobang/Crap|here]]? Thanks! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:24, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:Done. Egads, epic fail on the dub team on translating Five Servos Of Doom. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:06, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks! That was one of the titles that threw me off. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:21, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== Cloaca joke? ==

Was there something wrong with [[Airazor (BW)|it]]? [[Special:Contributions/72.229.51.77|72.229.51.77]] 15:22, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

== Anon reverts==
When a dude changes something, and you change it back, and he changes it back with comment asking why it's changed... it might be better, if you're going to simply revert it again, to at least leave a comment of your own, explaining why? If he's explaining his actions, you owe that same courtesy back, even if he's in the wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:25, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:You're absolutely right, and I can't for the life of me remember WHY I didn't do just that. It's been hectic in my neck of the woods these past few days, I apologize. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:02, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
::Come to think of it, I think the reason might've been that I meant to leave the explanation on his talk page, but ended up being sidetracked by other things. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:03, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nice caption ==

<nowiki>:</nowiki>D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:40, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
:Hah, I was just waiting for someone to add a pic of him so I could throw add that caption. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:41, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Decepticon Drone ==

I am sorry. I thought it looked simmilar, due to the Red T visor, silver and black head, but not the body.

== [[Katsuyuki Konishi]] and [[Frank Miller]] ==

My joke(s) may be weak, but
#I wasn't violating any [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|caption policies]].
#I uploaded the [[Frank Miller]] image. I deserve a caption or something.
#[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Links that overexplain jokes|Explaining the joke is not funny]].
#(Regarding the link I put at the Konishi caption):
:* A straight quote from Gurren Lagann isn't really very funny by itself.
:* Frank Miller isn't someone you'd think to find on TFWiki. I'd like to show people that he does belong here and how nteresting a coincidence it is, that ''both'' sources of the line contributed to TF. I imagine people reading the link would be like: "Oh yeah, there's also that. Wait, this wiki has an article on F. Miller? What has he got to do with TF? Gonna check that."
But really, I'm more upset about your changin gof the caption at Frank Miller for reason number 2. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== [[Katsuyuki Konishi]] and [[Frank Miller]] ==

My joke(s) may be weak, but
#I wasn't violating any [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|caption policies]].
#I uploaded the [[Frank Miller]] image. I deserve a caption or something.
#[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Links that overexplain jokes|Explaining the joke is not funny]].
#(Regarding the link I put at the Konishi caption):
:* A straight quote from Gurren Lagann isn't really very funny by itself.
:* Frank Miller isn't someone you'd think to find on TFWiki. I'd like to show people that he does belong here and how nteresting a coincidence it is, that ''both'' sources of the line contributed to TF. I imagine people reading the link would be like: "Oh yeah, there's also that. Wait, this wiki has an article on F. Miller? What has he got to do with TF? Gonna check that."
But really, I'm more upset about your changing of the caption at Frank Miller for reason number 2. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

User talk:Detour

2010-09-29T14:38:19Z

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Will you please stop? You've been going in the same fucking circle for what, hours? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Movie Jolt vs Movie Jolt==
Sorry if the post about Jolt not being confused with the previously released Jolt wasn't a good one... Just thought it was sort of a unique case that should be addressed, what with there being two movie Jolts, and unlike the 2007 one which didn't appear in any movies and has since been changed to a different character, also not appearing in the movies, the new Jolt is in the movie. I know that's what disambiguation is for, but I just thought it was an interesting bit of trivia that a movie character's name was already used in the movieverse, though for a different character. (not including the whole movie Arcee thing) -Cliffjumper Prime

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Revert Revert ==

Slaggit! This is like, the fourth time this has happened to me. I SPECIFICALLY checked with a preview when I was about to make the reversion, and it did NOT tell me any edits had been made since I'd started mine. Apologies for the confusion and annoyance, but I am definitely not doing this on purpose...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No worries. I know it wasn't your fault. I'm pretty sure this happened to me at least once as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. That actually makes me feel a lot better about it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treatment==
Hey, it's not uploaded anywhere anymore (but Don Murphy has no issues with us handing it around). I can send you the PDF, but I need your email. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Nunchakus==
His name is "Michelangelo". :) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:My bad. Haven't watched TMNT since the original toon. And I was never into Renaissance art or whatever era the artist namesake was from. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Airazor caption ==

Hi. I was wondering what was wrong with the old caption for the Airazor photo.
:Essentially, there's nothing wrong with the toy so criticizing it like that is pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I didn't think the caption was meant as a criticism of the toy. I thought it was meant to point out that though she was designed as a female figure, she didn't really turn out looking any more female than any other Transformer (excluding Arcee and Thunderblast). But humor is subjective, and what I find somewhat funny might not seem funny at all to someone else.
:::Airazor was designed as a male figure. The toy/character only became female on the insistence of the show writers. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::::We're talking about the caption for the Transmetal figure. I thought that one was designed from the start to be female.
:::::... oh! Did not realize. Sorry. Ignore me. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Blurr ==

He is known to be a member, which should be enough, but he is also known to appear again later in the season, both through the footage from Dubai and the teasers released on the blog. That's why I said that I believed that it ws exception enough if he wasn't a member, it wouldn't need to be moved, but both together seem to be compelling enough.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at your talk page, anything Dubai-related ''should not'' be discussed here in any capacity. We are not gloryhounds like Seibertron trying to be the first ones to announce every single giant spoiler of every single piece of media. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's great, but that's not what I am trying to say. He was announced as a character a while ago, before Dubai, and on one of the creator blogs. He's known to be in the Elite Guard, and we even know who his American voice actor is. We've even had him make his first appearance. Dubai just confirmed an episode he reappears in. That's all I'm trying to say - that we know he's in the guard, and we have confirmation from various sources of a future appearance. Hell, that we've listed his voice actor should be confirmation enough.
::And I didn't make the edit to spread spoilers - I did it to add info to a wiki, when the info is confirmed. Yes, we should not be obsessed with news, but neither should we put blinders on and wait until info is months or years old. (Hyperbole, but you get my point)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Rabbicrater Edits ==

Just FYI, the edits HooperX made were capitalizing on the fact that Rabbicrater looks like his name contains the word "rabbi", when in fact it's meant to be most of the word "rabbit". The caption gag of "L'chaim" thus becomes more obvious, though I like the current one better. As for the miscellaneous trivia, I think it's an attempt at a callback to one of the final scenes from the Mel Brooks film ''History of the World, Part 1''. So not TOTAL nonsense.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, well I don't know much about Judaism so "L'chaim" is kind of flying over my head right now (and I believe even if explained, the Yaoi Kiss Players joke will still be funnier)... And the misc trivia, well History Of The World Part 1 is one of the Mel Brooks films I have not yet had the pleasure of watching... Even then, it's kind of out of place in the same paragraph as the info about the rabbit on the moon... if Hooper wants to bring it back I would suggest he add another asterisk paragraph to point it out... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::Long story short, a robot with the word "Rabbi" in his name, even if it actually has to do with "rabbit" is ripe for Judaism gags. "L'Chaim!" is a traditional exclamation of celebration. Originally, I was just gonna put the lyrics to Hava Nagila up there, but hey. The Kiss Players thing I had to stop and stare at - the two dudes humping are kind of cut out of the frame. But hey, whatever. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, "L'chaim" is a traditional Hebrew version of "Cheers!" and literally means "To life!" I'm up for ethnic humor as much as the <s>next</s> previous guy, but I still find the KP gag funnier in this case. The thought of "Hava Negila" lyrics as a caption does make me grin, though...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Real Gear hairdryer ==

Good you took that out for now, I was just too exited to post a unreleased toy for the Movie line, so I did not stop to check if it was real or not. I'm currently looking for more info on it and will put that back up once I found proof.
By the way, what do the read minus numbers next to your edit mean?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
-Edit, I fell for a joke! it was just a joke to take the piss of the US toy gun law.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Number of characters (letters and spaces) added or removed from the total article length by this edit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::....what? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Hi ==

I'm listening and I'm sorry [[User:Gyro-Robo|Gyro-Robo]] 22:43, 8 June 2008

== Mayhem Suppression Squad‎ ==

Hello ^^ I removed the [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]] from the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] members because [[:Category:Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] is already under [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]]. Just like [[Killbison]] only under [[:Category:Breastforce]] which is contained by Combiners, Decepticons, and Victory characters. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 00:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== 1989 Character Models ==
Howdy! I saw the Bumblebee & Jazz pretender models. Do you happen to have higher resolution versions of these images that you'd be willing to share with me? Do you have any more images from this era? (The Ark III needs your help!) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

== Drift ==

Fine, have it your way! This site could be something awesome for everybody, yet guys like you persist in making it a refuge for your snide insults and negativity. --[[User:Hutch|Hutch]] 03:47, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:If it helps... even some of us here think Detour takes the AHM-bashing to ridiculous extremes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:23, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Except a lot of what he yanked out was stuff not even written by me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:25, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Some of us are OK with desnarking the overly-snarked articles. Thankfully Rosicrucian just redid the removal. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, he yanked different parts, and rewrote another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:33, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
Man, just let it go. We're trying to make the trivia sections ''smaller'', y'know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

No! Much, much bigger! I'm good with keeping the Poochie theme for SL: Drift's page, but we really, really gotta get a reference to Rurouni Kenshin on a Drift image somewhere down the line! I can't imagine McCarthy not having Kenshin in some corner of his mind when he was creating Drift. "Oh man, he'll be an ex-assassin, with a dark past he regrets, and he carries a special sword! AWESOME!" --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 16:20, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism?==
Thanks for fixing my page, I appreciate it. Apparently Mr. Anon didn't take too kindly from me having to up and leave his little "discussion". People gotta go do other things besides argue with somebody on the other side of the computer all day. So do you know how severe punishment is for vandalizing someone's User Page?---[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:In this case, I'm inclined to believe it was a simple accident. The guy isn't really all that wiki savvy, and may have just clicked on your sig and thought it was your talkpage. He's... well, I don't hold any illusions he's going to be a productive user here, but he's on a dynamic IP and isn't outright harmful so I'm not sure what a block would accomplish.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::True, I didn't take that into account. I tend to jump to the vandalism claim (or any claim honestly) a little too gung-ho sometimes, and this is one of those times.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:27, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::S'okay. I mean, I'd be lying if I said my cursor didn't hover over the block button on him while I thought about it. Trouble is his two IPs so far don't even seem to share a common subnet, so even an IP range ban wouldn't be viable. If he becomes genuinely abusive lemme know and I'd be happy to play whack-a-mole with his IPs.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm new here. Won't happen again, trust me.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 20:59, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

*Z-z-zay, is it no vandalism to undo the another's additionz-z-z-z without any explanation? What's wrong with z-z-z-z-them?--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 01:11, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:They didn't make any sense. You should stick to adding to the synopsis/etc. because your English seems to slip right down to nonsensical when you do captions. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:47, 1 December 2009 (EST)

==Barricade ROTF DS game==
Why instand of deleting it why dont you fix all my misspelling i have the game and all barricade parts are true.--[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:So... the burden is on ''us'' to fix what you write?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because neither I nor anyone else on the wiki is your personal spellchecker. If you want your edits to stick, put some effort into it and that includes using proper English. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one ==

"The identity of ze little one is a bit on the fraught side. In the flyover shot of the barge on which the four Constructicons sit, a red bulldozer (Rampage), a concrete mixer (Mixmaster), a dump truck (Long Haul) and a yellow front-end loader are visible. The yellow front-end loader is the alternate mode of the Constructicon Scrapper, and ze little one's robot mode appears to be the same as Scrapper's. As such, the temptation to just consider this a Scrapper unit is great... except that, after the flyover shot, the yellow loader disappears, and is replaced with a yellow Volvo excavator, clearly marked with a large Decepticon insignia. For the purposes of reducing headaches, we're assuming that the excavator is the "correct" vehicle mode, and that it just happens to transform into a robot mode that resembles Scrapper...even though it's not him. "

I wasn't aware of the decision that had reached on the "Ze little one" page, so I didn't realize that this was the reasoning being used. I can agree with this, and I'm sorry the discussion got so hostile. Have a great week.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:30, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== SG Ark & SG Nemesis ==

I'd just have Derik's bot fix those links along with the rest. I only fixed the others because there was about 2-3 links each instead of the 60+ for those two pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks for giving me my username==

Seriously best alias ever [[User:Potty Mouth Anon|Potty Mouth Anon]] 01:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

== TFA: S.P.'s amnesia ==

You completely sure about that? Seemed like a kind of joke to me - Wasp going through this whole list of humiliation and Sentinel denying it while keeping a straight face.
EDIT: sorry for double posting, my browser's acting a little strange [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:26, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Except Sentinel finishes the scene by saying "Wait a minute, that was you?" He genuinely doesn't remember, only recalling it then and there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:27, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oookay, my bad. Seems like his ego is powerful enough to erase memories of minor, non-significant beings like Wasp, Bee or Bulky... [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:45, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Deaths of Optimus Prime "fanon"==
That... wasn't fanon. It was more awkwardly phrased, but consistent with how it was portrayed in the episode. Aerialbots even say, to my recollection, that there are "others at the hanger." Elita-1 was rebuilt. Dion wasn't mentioned. What part of that is fanon, and why did that give you the right to allcaps that dude into submission for it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well it explicitly said in the anon guy's contribution way back there that "Ariel and Dion were also rebuilt" (followed by an awkward parenthesis saying Ariel at least). Plus, the episode itself is awkwardly phrased... Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel" as though he actually meant to say "there's another one back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel". After Orion is rebuilt as Prime, there's no concern for any "others" and they only speak of Ariel, whom Alpha Trion says he'll "send droids out for". No mention at all that he'd rebuild other casualties of the hangar massacre. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::Another interpretation: Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, [for example] his girlfriend Ariel." Otherwise, he's not being correct when he says there are "otherS" there. Plural. I'm not saying that Alpha Trion rebuilt anybody other than Prime and Elita, or that we have any evidence thereof. I'm saying what the guy wrote, in that particular revision, was technically correct. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The ''best'' kind of correct. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:06, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

== the Peter Cullen photo. ==

I know the person who is in that picture. I thought it would be fun depicting him being the nice guy that he is. If you want me to identify where I got the image from, I can link you right to the source. [[User:Unicron|Unicron]] 02:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== editing ==

sorry about the starscream page, but did you really have to edit out '''''everything''''' I did? [[User:Masterman555|Masterman555]] 22:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well, yeah. You screwed up the formatting and the order of figures in the toy section, messed with captions and changed all the thumbnails to ungodly huge sizes. It's pretty standard procedure to undo that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Robot Heroes Thrust eyes==
Thank you for correcting that, I just took an even closer look to the toy and realized I had made a mistake.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:39, 12 November 2009 (EST)

== IDW ==

Oh come on, dude. We can take the piss out of IDW sometimes, but that last edit was a bit much.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:43, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:Not even my words there. But like a lot have said... Continuum is pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. And really, their own page needs a dose of piss-taking-out too, no matter how slight. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:46, 12 November 2009 (EST)
What Rosi said. No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:52, 12 November 2009 (EST)

==British English spellings==
Please read [[Help:Style_guide#National_varieties_of_English]], it mentions guidelines to spelling that may help you. As Club material is published by a company based in Texas, I went with the American English. Keep British English spelling in the UK articles. [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 10:06, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Captions==
Detour, He-l-en has been contributing to the Armada episode articles in a generally positive manner. Please stop reverting her caption changes. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:27, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:Positive, yes, but thus far little more than minor summary changes in Armada... followed by large doses of captioning. I'll lay off since you asked me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:01, 29 November 2009 (EST) (I can still change his captions to different ones if I come up with better ones, though, right?)
::I am trying to handle the situation in a delicate manner; He-l-en is both a new user and someone whose first language is not English, so we cannot immediately expect her to know every facet of our policy right away. Reverting a person's edits without telling them why is not a good way to grow new users. I'm just trying to be courteous. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:15, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::Well, it's not like we don't always revert people who aren't doing anything but changing captions. He-l-en is at least also contributing a little bit of info, but we still generally tell people to leave the captions alone when they're new and just worry about adding actual info to the articles. (And it's not like we don't have plenty of Help guides available to read, either...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:20, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::::''We'' know we change people's captions back, yes, but I am inclined to be more lenient to someone who has only been around for two days... hrm. Actually, I am inspired. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:57, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::::His English seems to have landslided down to "nonsensical" once he started editing captions... Can I revert those, at least? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Sideways Part-swapping pics ==

Detour-
I do have pics of the part-swapped Sideways, however I am not sure how to upload them to the Wiki and add them to the page. If you'd like, I can e-mail them to you if you PM Ultrawave over at TFW2005 (that is my account). Unless there is another way to upload them that I am not aware of? [[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 04:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Made a Photobucket and uploaded my pic to satisfy your curiousity-- [http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af279/Blitzgear/DSCN0897.jpg] =)[[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 18:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Sari Edit ==
why did you edit my addition to the page? what i typed was factual. --[[User:0utrun|0utrun]] 23:16, 30 December 2009 (EST)

== Blackarachnia "hit it with a shovel" joke ==

Why do you deem it so important to take the joke out? It works, it fills an empty caption space, so why? Seriously, Why? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:09, 6 January 2010 (EST)

== Lockdown's position as a bounty hunter. ==

This isn't something like revealing the gimmicks to a toy or an electronic voice, or even a street date. It's no secret that the ROTF figure is based off a "bounty hunter", you've seen the card say he's a "bounty hunter" regardless if it isn't officially released, is the addition of a category "Bounty Hunter" seriously enough to get you this unnecessarily riled up? It's not like I'm saying something like he's an Autobot sympathizer or something. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:20, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==Captions==
No one appointed '''you''' the master of captioning. You're acting like a goddamn jackboot, so take a time-out. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:59, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==My Grammar==
Well i going to tell you why i have bad grammar, i have good grammar BUT i type so freaking Fast in result i make typos, Aslo there some words that i cant spell, aslo i try to slow down but then i start to write fast again -Eagc7
: Then either slow down enough so you can write competently, or don't write at all so we don't spend so much time cleaning up your amazingly-sized mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:38, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Why did you remove my edit? ==

The article discusses fanfiction, so I named two common pairings as an example. It seemed relevant. [[User:CH|CH]] 16:25, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Because the fandom is so large, fragmented and clique-esque that there's really no way to measure what's relevant/common unless it's completely widespread, as in to the point that even average fans that don't read fanfic are familiar with the concepts used. Megatron/Starscream pairings probably predate Beast Wars itself, Starscream/Alexis was a freakin' epidemic for a time. Those are somewhat "worthy" of mention (in a squicky infamous way). Prime/Mikaela and Bumblebee/Sam, however? Although I'm not shocked they exist, I don't believe the average fans would know for certain that they do. And it isn't really quite as notable (again, Starscream/Alexis being an epidemic), no more than hypothetical pairings like Cheetor/Una or Sky-Byte/Koji.. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:37, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::''Friend of Autobots''
::''Sometimes he talks to me too''
::''My spark fills with joy'' --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Right..... ==

[http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Beast_Machines_(cartoon)&curid=15&diff=430695&oldid=430694 What was that weird edit summary all about?] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:56, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Look at your keyboard, and look at each letter to the left of the letter I typed. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:12, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::It seems we use very different keyboards. All I'm getting is gibberish. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:32, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::It says "something's wrong with my eyes," okay? Big hairy deal. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== Double dash template ==
Works just 100% fine on Opera and in Firefox and in IE7, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. The whole purpose it was created was to clear things without creating gaps above the headers. So stop changing it every time I fix the formatting, as you're driving me insane and I'm going to start reverting you every time you do it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:48, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Well it doesn't work on me in neither IE nor Firefox. So clearly the coding for it must be flawed somehow. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::IIRC, you're one of the folks using IE6, aren't you? That would explain that part, if so. As for Firefox, it works fine on Firefox for me, so I just don't know what you're talking about there. (I also checked IE7 and it works fine there as well...)
::But in any case, bring it up with Derik to fix any problems rather than constantly removing it, considering the whole reason the template exists to begin with is to solve an issue folks used to be griping about. About the only issue I've ever had is that there has to be no line return space between the dash template and the following header, but that's easily tweaked while editing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, I'm one of the five people on Earth still using IE6. I like the button layout better, sue me. But I do have Firefox 3.5.6 and <nowiki>{{--}}</nowiki> does the same amount of jack squattage. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::You do realize button layouts are easily changed in most browsers, yes? (And I'd think lots of broken sites with missing features would be a bigger annoyance... having to surf using IE6 at one of my jobs last year was downright painful, it's missing so many useful standards.)
::::But, like I said, never had issues with FF at all. And even if there are, again, have Derik tweak the CSS, rather than unfixing the formatting fixes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:13, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== *sigh* "first edit ever" ==

fact is I've been editing over the years and adding useful tid bits here and there, but the wiki just can't seem to hold a proper account. so I start a new and get treated like a punk. gratitude for ya.

And yeah, the tone really isn't to my liking. Derek J Wyatt puts down Beachcomber and everyone treats it as canon that the character is not well liked. well I like him! And think the article should be more even handed.

So tell me, how am I supposed to get started here? I can't edit "the funny" as I've been told the last time I tried a permanent account, I can't help to rewrite an article, what do you want from me? When to I earn the right to call out the Beach Comber page for being offensive? --[[User:Stly92|Stly92]] 01:15, March 18, 2010 (EST)

== Jim-Bob's Diner is indeed a reference to James Roberts ==

[[Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Jim-Bob's Diner]] is, in fact, a reference to ''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' co-writer [[James Roberts]]. Nick Roche said it himself [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=161572#161572]. (At first, '''I''' thought--and was '''very sure'''--it was a reference to '''Jim''' Salicrup and '''Bob''' Budiansky.) --[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 19:40, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
:Well then that belongs in the Notes... not a confusing random link in the middle of the synopsis. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:06, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

== Last Dutch Issue ==

The IP Anon [[Special:Contributions/195.240.16.74|195.240.16.74]] removed the "last Dutch issue" sentence from "[[The Void! (US)|The Void!]]" because he was shifting it to "[[On the Edge of Extinction!]]" Now, this may require verification (which is why I'm not undoing your reversal yet), but at least it's not a random act of Anon vandalism.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 11:24, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, I reverted it before he did the rest. I don't know who to ask for verification, though. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:50, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::Looks like the anon was actually [[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] not logged in. Good enough to allow now, or do we still need a citation? Sunjumper mentions on his anon-IP talk page (linked in just above, there) where he saw mention of the last-issue status.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 13:13, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::If he's Dutch, sure. You're in the better position to make that call anyway. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:41, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Based on his recent contribution to the BW article, I'd say he his. Well and good, then.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:18, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

== Anon-made G1 Cast List ==

I'll grant I didn't do more than a rough glance over it, so I can't vouch for its accuracy, but it WAS in keeping with our formatting for other TV series' front pages. Granted, the cast's much larger and so may be too overwhelming a list for the page, but in principle, it wasn't a ''wrong'' idea. Might be worth adding a notice as to why the G1 TV series page would differ in that respect from other series'.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:29, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== Toy Swapping ==

Look, I am sorry to keep adding tat. I just thought it was important to have in the article, because it was under the same idea. And just so you know, this whole website is full of crappy, big, poorly written sections and just want to help improve some facts not added. So you can take that comment and stick it were it belongs. I just tried to add something.

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== Toy Swapping 2 ==

I am sorry for the previous comment made by myself about the edit. I was in a really bad mood and would not tolerate anything. I will stop trying to edit or fix any articles to fix things that people deleted that I made. I do sincerly apologize. People have been quite rude to me on this website and I was starting to get stressed. Not to mention I have major anger manigment issues. I am quite sorry for my comments.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 12:37, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

== Hey. ==

Yo, be quiet bitch. {{unsigned|TheRex4441}}
:Keep it polite, please. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:39, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

== Prime VAs ==

The editor was right about Optimus & Megatron's VAs, he just didn't have the right source. (It was revealed in a recent BotCon panel.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:12, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

==edit war==
If this edit war does not stop in five minutes and people don't stop getting aggressive at each other, all three of you are getting a time-out. The note is pretty pointless, at best it would be only on Prime Soundwave's page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:28, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

==Translation help==
Hey, Detour. Since you speak French, could you help me by correcting any bad translations I have for the French ''Animated'' episode titles [[User:Interrobang/Crap|here]]? Thanks! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:24, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:Done. Egads, epic fail on the dub team on translating Five Servos Of Doom. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:06, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks! That was one of the titles that threw me off. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:21, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== Cloaca joke? ==

Was there something wrong with [[Airazor (BW)|it]]? [[Special:Contributions/72.229.51.77|72.229.51.77]] 15:22, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

== Anon reverts==
When a dude changes something, and you change it back, and he changes it back with comment asking why it's changed... it might be better, if you're going to simply revert it again, to at least leave a comment of your own, explaining why? If he's explaining his actions, you owe that same courtesy back, even if he's in the wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:25, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:You're absolutely right, and I can't for the life of me remember WHY I didn't do just that. It's been hectic in my neck of the woods these past few days, I apologize. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:02, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
::Come to think of it, I think the reason might've been that I meant to leave the explanation on his talk page, but ended up being sidetracked by other things. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:03, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nice caption ==

<nowiki>:</nowiki>D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:40, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
:Hah, I was just waiting for someone to add a pic of him so I could throw add that caption. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:41, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Decepticon Drone ==

I am sorry. I thought it looked simmilar, due to the Red T visor, silver and black head, but not the body.

== [[Katsuyuki Konishi]] and [[Frank Miller]] ==

My joke(s) may be weak, but
#I wasn't violating any [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|caption policies]].
#I uploaded the [[Frank Miller]] image. I deserve a caption or something.
#[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Links that overexplain jokes|Explaining the joke is not funny]].
#(Regarding the link I put at the Konishi caption):
:* A straight quote from Gurren Lagann isn't really very funny by itself.
:* Frank Miller isn't someone you'd think to find on TFWiki. I'd like to show people that he does belong here and how nteresting a coincidence it is, that ''both'' sources of the line contributed to TF. I imagine people reading the link would be like: "Oh yeah, there's also that. Wait, this wiki has an article on F. Miller? What has he got to do with TF? Gonna check that."
But really, I'm more upset about your changin gof the caption at Frank Miller for reason number 2. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

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[[Image:FrankMiller.jpg|right|thumb|[[Katsuyuki Konishi|"'''WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AM?!'''"]]]]

'''Frank Miller''' (born [[January 27]], 1957) is a famed comic-book writer. According to [[Flint Dille]], he was involved in writing ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. While Dille and others were rehashing the end of the script, [[Steve Gerber]] brought his friend [[wikipedia:Frank_Miller|Miller]] in to help out. In return, they helped Miller with the ending of [[wikipedia:Batman:_The_Dark_Knight_Returns|the Batman book he was working on]].

Dille says this began a long-running friendship, and they still contribute to each other's work.<ref>[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/60-astrominutes/flint-dille/flint_dille_2.html Interview with Flint Dille] on [http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cybertronchronicle.html the Cybertron Chronicle]</ref>

==External links==
*[[Wikipedia:Frank_Miller_(comics)|Frank Miller]] at Wikipedia

==References==
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[[Category:Writers]]

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FYI, if you are the uploader of the image, you are entitled to add captions. That's a nice bonus of uploading images. You get first dibs at any captions. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 20:32, 20 December 2009 (EST)

== WFC voice actors ==

Looks like Walky went ahead and added them all to the WFC page anyway so go ahead if you want. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:33, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
:Awesome! Thanks! --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 21:40, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron (Myth) ==

Is their a better way you think I should write the fact as, or should I just walk away?[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:44, 2 September 2010 (EDT)
:I dunno. I say that we just leave it out for now. I'm not really 100% familiar with the Beast Era so I wouldn't know how to do it. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:49, 2 September 2010 (EDT)
: Time travel is confusing.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 17:54, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== ROTF Grindor/Blackout ==

So are you telling me that Michael Bay has confirmed that it is Grindor in Revenge of the Fallen?. Nowhere says Michael bay has, only Hasbro that make the crappy toys. Dreamworks have said it was supposed to be Blackout.
:I, uh, am not really involved. All I did was put the "correct english" template on your page. And personally, I'm pretty sure it's Grindor in the movie. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:24, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

Regarding your edit [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Katsuyuki_Konishi&diff=503186&oldid=502889 here]:

I ''know'' where "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AM" is from, more of me trying to show the fun coincidence and how this wiki has articles on ''both'' sources for that line. I even uploaded a [[Frank Miller]] picture and linked it's caption to [[Katsuyuki Konishi]]. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 03:58, 28 September 2010 (EDT)