Ultra Magnus' crew upon entering [[Axiom Nexus]]. [[Of Masters and Mayhem]]

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:''Devastator is a something from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

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'''Devastator''' is some sort of project that [[Dirt Boss (Animated)|Dirt Boss]] came up with. He has roped [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] and [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] into doing the work with the aid of a couple of [[cerebro-shell]]s, though the pair aren't quite sure exactly what it is they are creating... {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}}

==Notes==
*We [[Devastator (G1)|couldn't possibly speculate]] on what it is they're doing.
* [[Erector (G1)|Erector]]'s [[Transformers Hall of Fame]] nomination video showed off a full-body design for [[Erector (Animated)|''Animated'' Erector]], claiming he would have formed essentially the entire lower half of Devastator... in other words, the pants. Like everything else in that video, this is entirely false.

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I argue that The is part of The One's formal title, and should remain.

I will probably be outvoted, but I still think it sounds dippy alone. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

:I agree. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

::Quick, let's change it back before Steve-o gets back from botcon!
::"Well, we '''held''' a vote, it's too bad you weren't here..." It's Assistant Editors Month on the Wiki!-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:28, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

::Mmn, yes, I'd vote for "The One" too. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Passed unanimously! --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
::::DAMMIT!!!!!! --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:06, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

: I vote for "The One" also. But, how about some content first? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 23:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:: I'm not really sure it's a vote-on thing. It's like voting on how to spell actual words. Proper protocol calls for "One." It sounds dippy, but that's just how it's done. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:09, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

::: But is "that's just how it's done" really a good enough reason when 1) it DOES sound dippy (for The Fallen too) and 2) it makes it a bit Harder for folks to find things, as people doing an info search will almost certainly search "The One" not just the word "one". I mean, is there a real reason for doing it that way other than made up "protocal" because if not I'd say it's just buracratic silliness to stick to a rule that doesn't help and actually confuses matters a little. I add my vote for "Names that are actually titles" to include the "The". [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 00:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
::::You are aware of the existence of redirects, yes? [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 00:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

::: I'm inclined to agree with most of the people posting here. The article really should be "The One," as "The" is part of its name. Just like "The Fallen." I mean, can you conceive of any possible situation in which it would be called "One" instead of "The One"? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 01:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
::::"Hello, One." "You're never going to get away with this, One!" Unless you say stuff like "I'll get you ice cream, the boy." or "Damn you, the Joker." [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 01:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

::::: Yes, in *adressing a character with a title-name personally* you might drop "The" as in calling out to The Pope, by saying "Heya, Pope! Overhere!" But when talking '''about''' such a character you would pretty much always use "The" as in "Boy The Fallen sure knows how to warm up a room." and given that these entries are not personal adresses to the characters but us talking about them for other people, using "The" for title-names is just much more natural. Again, any actual reason not to? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::Because it's more natural for me to have the titles not have an article at the beginning unless it's the name of a work? That seems to be equal to your justification. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 02:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Is the Fallne's Titanium toy called 'Fallen' or 'The Fallen'? I mean, if the toy iself is sodl with 'The' in its name... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

How about "One, The"? (And likewise, "Fallen, The"). It's a little doofy, but not as doofy as leaving it out entirely. And it does follow a proper indexing protocol.

:There is no reason to worry about indexing or searching. With a redirect at [[The One]], anybody typing "the one" into the search box will be sent to The One and immediately redirected to One automagically. "The" is not part of this entity's "name". If anything, it has no name at all, which is why it's referred to descriptively. When referred to in the article, it will presumably be as "the One" with "the" included. Even in the first sentence when the term is bolded, I would recommend bolding "the". But I see no real reason to include it in the article title. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 06:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
::Real reason to include it in the article title is because it sounds right --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 11:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

::But there '''is''' an indexing concern: how it gets listed [[:Category:Gods|here]], among any other categories it may eventually be put into. I agree that having it filed under "T" for "The" feels wrong. But "One, The" seems a good compromise to me. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]]
:::<nowiki>[[Category:Whatever|Something, The]]</nowiki> would list a "The Something" article under "S". We already do this for humans, both real and fictional, to index them by last name. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Oh, well in that case, hell. My vote DEFINITELY goes for calling the article "The One." If we're looking for a "real reason," then it would be that so far the name has never been used without the "The" in any fiction. And "One" is such a common word that it helps to distinguish it as a name/title. And, above all, it looks just plain doofy without it. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Here's the best way I can sum up the case for "The One": Imagine seeing it on a category-page and being unfamiliar with it. If it's just the word "One," it comes across very strangely and vaguely. One ''what?'' You don't even know if it's a noun per se. But if it's listed as "The One," it immediately comes across as a name or title. And every other reference to it will have the "the," so it seems counterintuitive that the one instance of omission would be the TITLE, of all things. So which is more important: reduced obfuscation, or hard-and-fast adherence to a stylistic rule? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The article itself says "The One is Unicron's and Primus' daddy." Since the title of the article is "One," shouldn't this sentence read, "One is Unicron's and Primus' daddy."? I'm being facetious. But really, would you say that? "One is here to pick up the kids." "Oh, I saw One at the grocery store today." "Primus and Unicron were created by One." Would you say that? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

:That's a really awful argument. By that logic nearly every subgroup, and possibly the factions as well, should have a "The" in their article titles. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
::Not necessarily. "Constructicons built the city." "We're being attacked by Stunticons." "Oh no, Dinobots!" Personally, I agree with moving this to "One, The." - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 23:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

::Almost every group name CAN have "the" attached to it, yes, but the key difference there is exclusivity. "Combaticons" or "the Combaticons" - both usages are in common parlance. Whereas we've NEVER seen "One" without a "The." Moreover, as I stated above, "One" by itself is such a common and ambiguous word that its specific meaning here is needlessly obscured if there's no "The." You admit, "When referred to in the article, it will presumably be as 'the One' with 'the' included. Even in the first sentence when the term is bolded, I would recommend bolding 'the'." So if ''every other reference'' to it has a "The," then why should the title be awkwardly different? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

:::Probably because froma data-searching standpoint, this would be filed under the O's. That's why, for years libraries would call this One, The, when it should be The One. This was the way thigns were done prior to associative filing, when things needed to fit in ONE PLACE in a hierarchy. (In that case, the Alaphabet.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
::::See KilMichaelMcC's point above; we can title the article "The One" and still have it categorized under O. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 00:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::BRILLIANT! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Surely even wiki standards must bow in the face of an overwhelming 'ick.' That's why we have the suffix system we had today, it's a mixed standard that recognizes that sometimes imposing standards actually hurts the material's presentation. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the move. The One's name is not "One," nor is it neccessarily "The One," but is always adressed as "The One." I disagree that it hurts the material's presentation, and in fact move that it hurts it WITHOUT it. Similar with The Faller; The is part of his title (as stated below) and it would make things a lot easier if we got rid of all the redirect pages with "The" that point to pages without "The." -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 23:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Move to The One ==

Wikipedia, which also shaves 'the's off nonethelesess has an article for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_One The One], that being a gnostic uber-god from which all lesser gods were emanated. If Wikipedia sticks a The on an emanating monad God, I suggest we do to. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:I still agree. Also, I submit that the fact that we retain "The"s in the titles of fiction should carry over to titular names like this one and "The Fallen," which have never appeared without their "The"s. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
::I disagree, just because it won't be as funny when I make the eventual and inevitable "[[Landmine]] has taken his speech, taken his sight, taken his hearing" joke. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 23:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:Passing off a disambiguation page as an actual article is a little deceptive, Derik. And since when have we given a shit about what the fuck Wikipedia does? Ignash edits all of the Transformers articles over there. Should he edit our articles, as well? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:::...disambiguwhoa? *looks* Huh, it is. sorry- I was thrown by the mini-article at the top, didn't realize it doubled as a disambiguation page. Honest mistake. Still think we should move it, but like you say- investigating the logical basis for the move- like what determines a proper noun- wouldn't hurt. (It'd actually probably save us grief since we'd be setting a precedent.) Uh- when a decision is come to, make sure the logic make it into our Naming Conventions article. (assuming one exists.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::I agree that Wikipedia's standards are not and should not be ours, but I appreciate Derik bringing this up just as an example of how it looks when this controversial topic IS played out the other way. If you don't think the disambig page is relevant enough, check out [[Wikipedia:The All|The All]]. I've already spelled out my reasons for keeping the "The", but seeing it in action just reinforces my belief that it ought to be that way. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:By the way, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Article titles|here's the reason]] WHY Wikipedia puts a "The" in that title: "''A, an'' and ''the'' are normally avoided as the first word (''Economy of the Second Empire,'' not ''The economy of the Second Empire''), unless part of a proper noun ([[Wikipedia:The Hague|The Hague]])." I don't know how to determine what's "part of a proper noun" when it comes to this, but it sure ''seems'' like "The One" and "The Fallen" are applicable. Does anyone with a more grammatical background know how to dissect this? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::In simple terms, if you capitalise the "The" even in the middle of a sentence (e.g. "We're taking a trip to The Hague."), then Wikipedia includes it in the title.
::So, if you want to use that as an example, all uses of "The One" to refer to this should always capitalise the "The" (e.g. "Primus' daddy '''The One''' is de big cheese"). [all-caps, like most comics speech bubbles, obviously is no help one way or The Other]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

{{quote|Before the dawn of time, Order and Chaos existed in perfect harmony within a self-contained entity called The One.|Transformers: the Ultimate Guide|p53}}
:::-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

::::Outstanding. It's parsed as "The One" mid-sentence twice on that page. Also, from the inside cover of ''War Within: The Dark Ages'' #2: "Into this melting pot comes The Fallen, an ancient member of the TRANSFORMERS with dark designs on the planet." This usage also appears again in the same passage.
::::I fully support adopting Wikipedia's practice on proper-name "The"s in article titles. I think it should be incorporated in our style guide and used on "The One" and "The Fallen". Everybody: for/against?
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::::*Go for it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'm all for it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Having contributed nothing to the discussion, I say do that thang. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Inside, my soul weeps over capitalized articles. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== The Vok's "One" ==

Okay- this is what I've got... I think the Vok's one is a separate thing.

They guard the formation of the One, in the future. (Primaeval Dawn part 1) They reference The Plan, which seems to be Primus's grand plan- and are makign corrections in many universes to suit their interpretation of that architecture. They envision a future which they call "The One... and the All," which is a unity of worlds, timelines and dimensions, all synchronized. (PD3) The PD1 prologue specifically checks language of attonement and balancing the cosmic scales... I think they're trying to create a 'One' where all the fracture universes, at some point in the future, are in balance, planned harmony in accordance with The Plan (which they have seen the full design for, unlike anyone else) and when Bad Things Happen in oen world, they make a Good Thing happen to balance it out. (The experiment on Earth was supposed to be one such Good Thing.)

The Vok also say they are 'the source of the core,' both of which are words used to describe Energon, Primus, or the sentient core of the universe which created Primus. (The latter has been retconned- but other parts of that origin that would ''seem'' to contradict make it in according to The Ultimate Guide in a slightly altered fashion.)

So, where am I going with this? Oh yeah- I think this might be the Alternity. (Or rather, I think the Alternity might have been meant to be a reference to the perfect future or purity and goodness that "The One and The All" speaks of.)

Regardless- The One and The All ''doesn't'' seem to be The One spoken of here- even allowing for a radically circular timeloop where the Vok are created by Primus, and then create The One who creates Primus who... it doesn't really ''fit''. It's just another of the half-dozen meanings ascribed to the phrase 'til all are one' that are simultaneously valid.

Uh... I'm fishing for thoughts on this, I'm not sure how to deal with it int he article. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

:I'd say keep the intro as nonspecific as possible, then separate all specific information into as many fiction sections as necessary ("DK Ultimate Guide" and "3H comics" are the only two I can think of). Because of the woo-woo metaphysical nature of all this, not to mention the paucity of data, I think it's safest just to put all information about things called "The One" into a single article.
:As for your specific thoughts here, I don't know enough about the various elements to comment (like what the Alternity is, for instance). But, assuming the links you make are relevant, I'd say write up the facts in the fiction section, then link to all the related topics, noting that any connections are speculative.
:- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::The Alternity is a Binaltech concept. The Vok's One is some minor plot point in a convention-exclusive comic. They're not connected, no matter how much Derik wants to shove fanon into articles. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:41, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::You and I are probably never going to stop butting heads over this sort of thing, but I really do think that when any TF fiction presents itself as meta-continuity, its nature demands that we ''somehow'' acknowledge where it rubs shoulders with other meta-type fiction, whether the authors meant it to or not. What I envisioned for Derik's suggestion would be, say, "The Vok use the term "The One" in reference to Primus' grand plan, which blah blah blah insert all other The One facts from the 3H comics here. '''''Note:''' There's this other concept in another continuity called "the [[Alternity]]," which is similar in such-and-such way.''"
:::I'm still kind of figuring out where your personal line between helpful connections and baseless speculation is. But presenting it in that fashion seems kosher to me, especially if kept brief.
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Toss it in a trivia section and I'll live with it. I'm grudgingly fine with it as long as it isn't within the in-universe text and presented as "this is similar", not "this is probably the same thing". I do think the Vok stuff should be on a separate page, though. The two Ones aren't the same thing. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Actually, After writing this- I went back and read the ''new'' BT story pages- the ones produced after the Alternity was intro'd in #17, and #18 refers tot he alternity as a direct evolution of the Binaltech Transformer. There's... some reasons that could still fit, depending on how metaphorically you make that statement, but I'm probably gonan drop that line of speculation. (I do want to pick DrDpengeler's brain on the original phrasing used though, since he helped with the translation.)
:::::Really, the main reason ti appealed to me is-- Ichikawa-kun picked up on all sorts of stuff, especially obscure stuff, for his BT stories. And I coudl see him choosign the name 'Alternity' as a dual reference to the Alternators and 'The All'. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::I wouldn't mind seeing a "The All" article that focused on the Vok's "unity of worlds, timelines, and dimensions." From there, it could grow into a repository for all in-fiction references to the multiverse. The [[continuity]] article seems to be our default go-to for that topic, but I think it'd be nice to have another one for the specific times when the fiction refers to ''itself'' as a multilinear collective.
::::::And incidentally, I do still think that the Vok's One should be in this article too, as my edits ought to make clear. When the Vok ''first'' talk about The One, it's very much in line with what Furman would write years later in the ''Ultimate Guide''.... but like the Earthforce stories, it's paradoxically when Furman took over ''Primeval Dawn'' that the Vok's One became contradictory.
::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Earthforce makes perfect sense unless you're in denial about there being two timelines. I mean-- it's fairly explicit... Galvatron II even arrives in different circumstances in Earthforce. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:08, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

==Multiversal Singularity==
He is one, yes? [[User:Kaje|Kaje]] 18:49, 11 May 2010 (EDT)
:They've never expicitly said so but I don't see how he could not be given his nature and story.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 22:03, 11 May 2010 (EDT)

== Daiakuron as The One's analog ==

So the Transformers/GI Joe story with [[Daiakuron]] has been out for a bit. Obviously the involvement of the Quintessons conflicts with the usual multiversal origins for Primus and Unicron but seeing as Multiversal Singularities are nullified after the Shrouding event, perhaps Daiakuron should be mentioned as a possible analog for The One in that particular story. It did create Unicron, Primus, Atlas and potentially other members of their pantheon. It would also be the first actual appearance of The One with an actual body or form that doesn't look like a galaxy-nebula-thing.--[[User:Iustitia|Iustitia]] ([[User talk:Iustitia|talk]]) 17:23, 26 January 2018 (EST)

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=="Call 1-800-doctorb. The B is for Bargain!"==
''Voice actor:'' [[Maurice LaMarche]]

There wasn't a "." in "DrSpengler" so it wouldn't technically qualify as a proper "Dr." abbreviation. Just me keeping myname the way it's been for 7 years. ;(

But it's okay.

This isn't gonna change the name I use to log in, is it? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm doesn't look like it will. Alright, no big deal. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 01:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

He he he... I'm making mischief! (You can move it back if you like.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Monzo's thingy==
I realize these Japanese entries are basically stubs at this point, Speng, but you may want to copy the base code out of a pre-existing profile and use that... like, the first instance of a name in a profile is always bolded, the divisions for Fiction and Toy, etc. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

==Um==
Image:Scrash.jpg - ...what? --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Christ, I didn't think anybody was EVER gonna notice that. Oh, and that's an advertisement at a pizza joint here in Springfield that's been boggling the minds of pizza-lovers since the late 80's. I'm sure if the guys at TV Magazine ever got around to drawing Scrash they would've made him a little black girl. Almost positive, in fact.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

==Images==
Hey, Spengler, I wouldn't give a shit if I couldn't see Derik freaking out over it in Recent changes, but be sure to add <nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki> to all of the images owned by Takara and Hasbro you upload and the specific company and date (the last part I'm not so sure about, but whatever), like on [[:Image:PredakingTVMag1.jpg]]. Thanks. Thumbs up to your manga edits. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 06:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:It doesnt' actually bother me that much. I was bad at it when I first started too. (the wiki still has a bunch of un-credited images from it's early days before we cracked down on adding copyright info, we fix 'em as we see 'em)

:Spengler just had a LOT, so I fixed what I could find. I think I hit about 80% of 'em, and I'm willing to call it a day.

:Go forth and sin no more my son. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Not a problem. I was used to uploading pics in the regular Wikipedia, which had a drop-down bar on the uploading screen which allowed you to select specific copyright options. So when I found no such thing on this wiki I figured "Oh, guess it doesn't matter?" But yeah, not a problem. I'll start adjusting all my pics from now on. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 06:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

: Thank you! <span style="background:yellow;"><span style="color:red;">o</span>^.^<span style="color:red;">o</span></span> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, just went through my entire "User Contributions" list and added the copyright info to every single picture I've posted on this wiki, so we should be square. Thanks for getting so many of em for me.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

==Notes==
:Ah, Speng? You don't have to add a series title after a profile's name if the name has never been used by another character. That's why people move some of the pages you make, like Predaking, Tigerhawk, etc - there aren't any other guys with those names, so the tagging is redundant.

:Also, the point of the italics at the opening section... it's supposed to be a one-sentence thing about what continuity they're in (like "so-and-so is a (faction) during the (whatever)"). The descrptive part after that (where the name gets bolded) is not italicized.

:When all else fails, default to [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Sunstreaker Sunstreaker] or [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Hot_Rod Hot Rod] for formatting - they're our formatting example boys.

:(And, er... this is just a personal point of view, but we don't require ''everything'' to be jokey/sarcastic. Feel free to be informative without mirth.)

:I apologize if I'm being blunt about this, but I felt the points worth mentioning. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

*No prob. It's taking me longer to get the hang of this than I tought. The (BWG1OCUC) crap is half me not thinking about it/half me thinking there was someone in another story with the same name. I'll hold back on those more often.

And the jokes, well, I'm just naturally a jokey kinda guy and one of the things Sipher stressed to me in the PM he sent requesting my help was "Just make em funny". If I've gone past the territoy of "funny" and into "obnoxious" I'll give it a rest, no sweat. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm faintly apalled that someoen other than me recognized lyrics to a rap song that onyl appeared ont he B-side of a movie soundtrack from the late 80's. -20:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

*I'm one of the four people on the planet who actually owned a copy of the Ghostbusters II soundtrack. You are in an exclusive club, Mister! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

:Then I'm probably the only person to reques this song on the radio, only to learn at a tender age that they only play singles. (This is probably a precursor to my only listenign to alternative radio that plays b-side tracks today, actually.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

==Seiyu==
I'm happy someone else is interested in seiyu. Most of the Transformers actors were listed individually in the [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4813010946/ Transformers: Generations] book. Some of the Laserdiscs and DVD sets also had cast info. Although sometimes some info condradicts other sources. The [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4861760364/ First Series Complete] lists many of The Rebirth dub actors (which I haven't been putting in here for the most part, so not to confuse people). The [http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4902314282/ Micron Legend Year Book] lists virtually ''every'' character and voice from the series.

As for dubs of American movies, you might try [http://www.tora-2.com/index.html tora-2.com]. I got a few hits for the [http://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%83S%81%5B%83X%83g%83o%83X%83%5E%81%5B%83Y&hl=ja&btnG=Google+%8C%9F%8D%F5&domains=tora-2.com&sitesearch=tora-2.com DVD version of Ghostbusters] there.

If you want, I could try posting my giant (Japanese language) seiyu list on one of our talk pages or something. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 03:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

:...Speng is going voice actors? Sweet. 'cuz I dont' think I'll ever get back to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/598c878dfd2f833c/9d29f063307b01fa?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#9d29f063307b01fa this].

:(The link at the bottom also contaisn goodness) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh hey, you read Japanese, dont' you Speng? Which way am I supposed to read Doug's list relative to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/598c878dfd2f833c/9d29f063307b01fa?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#9d29f063307b01fa these pages?]
The way I'm doing it now makes Rhinox a pretty girl, and that doesn't seem right somehow. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Matrices==
Hey, Speng? Did you see [[Talk:Matrix_of_Leadership#Fire_Convoy|this discussion]] we had on Japanese Matrices? Given that both Lio Convoy and Fire Convoy specifically had an "Energon Matrix", I'm wondering if that's what Primal and Big Convoy were also supposed to have... I don't have any good Neo-specific books, though, and Big Convoy's instructions only call his device a "Matrix" (with no qualifiers). I DO have a book that's basically Cine-Manga of the BW2nd movie... maybe that would specify what Primal's is.

(Also, I continue to doubt the existence of the "Hyper Convoy" thing beyond it being something Star Upper once called himself.)

What do you think about all this? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Personally, the name "Leadership Matrix" never really sat well with me, as it was just sorta "made-up" as a means to differentiate it from the Matrix of Leadership. I wouldn't object to Leadership Matrix being changed to "Energon Matrix", since that's the name that's most commonly seen.

As for Hyper Convoy, that I really know little on, as I haven't had the pleasure of reading the Neo manga. I wrote the article-itself based on what I was told happened in the Neo manga. I honestly don't recall a single use of the term in any of the BW animation, though my memory of some of that show is a bit sketchy. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 02:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==BWII Ships==
The Predacon ship in Beast Wars II has the incredibly unfortunate title of "Galvaburg II" - as in Hindenburg, one assumes. Which really makes one wonder what happened to the "Galvaburg I", and why Galvatron would decide to use that name ''again''.

The Maximal ship is the "Yukikaze", which I think literally means "snow wind" - however, since the name is rendered in katakana and not kanji, it doesn't get translated for the article title (a la Majin Zarak not being Demon Zarak). --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

== Speakin' of translating Manga ==

I've got a BW2 roleplaying book that has a bunch of BW2 omake (and a short left-to-right manga) in it. woulds you be interested in translating? (I've become more interested in documenting the omake since learning that FMA integrated a bunch of the manga's omake in the anime-- they may be AU-- but they're still cannon.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:...a ...roleplaying... book? Like a sourcebook for a system or like a gamebook or what? I'm totally interested in this, as a retired RPG fag. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

If the kanji has furigana, and it's big-enough for me to see, then sure, I can give it a go. You can e-mail me the scans (or put em on photobucket, whichever). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 04:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:If this is what I think it is, it's not a role-playing book in the sense of being an RPG stats book, but rather the book about ''how to play with your toys'' that I bought at BotCon. Like, "LioConvoy is captured under the desk! Pick a Cybertron with high stats to defeat Starscream and BB (assuming you own them)!" --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

*Good gravy... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::Japanese kids aren't expected to be very creative, I guess. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

....Wow. I kind of want a copy of it EVEN MORE now. That sounds in-fucking SANE. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 02:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

==Nemesis==
Hey, Speng. Just watched a boatload of BW2nd clips on youtube, and I noticed that... Galvatron's Nemesis appears to devour both Jupiter and Saturn. Sucked 'em up like a vaccuum cleaner. I don't have any context for when these events happened, but they definitely seem worthy of adding to the Nemesis's fiction section. Do you know where the info would go? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 13:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

*I believe it happened at the point where the Nemesis was looming menacingly over everyone's heads, figuratively, as Galvatron had summoned it to Gaia. It took, like, a thousand episodes to freaking GET THERE. But yeah, that IS significant. heck, there's even a screencap of the thing sucking Saturn at the [[Nemesis (BWII)]] article. I'll add it into the summary. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

==PD Type and G2 Manga Brat==

Hey speng, what were [http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/japanese/superdeformed.php?dgallery_show=deformed/SDComicTrans01.jpg these] packed in with? Theyr'e (c) 1990, which is why I asks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

*Looking at my copy of Generations it would appear to be "gum pack toys". Tiny super deformed toys bearing the likeness of the PD Type comic characters came in tiny packs with gum, the manga and a character bio "interview". I did a quick article on it here: [[Transformers PD Type]]. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

And here's an archive of the comics online (untranslated, of course): [http://www.ne.jp/asahi/transformer/dinobase/etc/pdtf/pdtf_index.htm Kabay]. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

:You are cool, and punctual.
:What's [http://www.emopanda.com/JP.rar this kid's] name? I want to give him a page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

*Looks like his name is "Junpei". No last name that I could find. "The Earth is in Danger" is actually next on my list to translate. Now that I've scanned over it more thoroughly looking for that punk's name, maybe I'll get to work on it this week... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

==I'ma Questionin' Yer Thinkin'==
What's your source for the trivia over on [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]]' Japanese name? I know it's from somewhere given that you put it in, I just want to know where.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

:If Nevermore said it, I'd take his word for it considering how meticulously he researches... everything. So the article's probably fine.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

::Doug Dlin also has said so as well. There is also a Kinnikuman/Ultimate Muscle UFO character called '''The Adams''' (Ski Adams in the U.S.) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnikuman_Nisei_characters].

==Capitalisation Question==
Hey man, thanks for the punctuation clean-up on my new [[Scale]] article; much appreciated. Just one question though, is it actually a rule that one has to decap all the Unicron "He"s and "Him"s? It is the appropriate usage for a god, after all... Let me know, ta, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

*Hmm I think you might have me confused with someone else. I don't recall doing that. Sorry. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

== Translatin' request ==

[[Talk:Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (manga)|here]] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Insert formula here

==Primitives?==

Do we need to tag all of those characters as such? It's pretty continuity-specific, which bugs me though maybe also applies to some existing tags. But it also is a really arbitrary descriptor. The "Primitives" in COTP were basically just the TFs with animal altmodes, and as such this category would include only those Transformers who existed at the time AND were included in the episode. This makes for quite a few characters who SHOULD fit in the category but arbitrarily won't, and even more so makes for a category that... basically means nothing.

Are we also going to make "Cars", "Trucks", "Helicoptors", and "Tanks" categories? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:The difference here is that "Primitives" is a specifically-named group. Also, I believe all the Transformers Spengler put in the category actually do belong there, unlike the person who originally made the page and threw in characters from UT and BW. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 05:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

What he said. "Primitives" doesn't apply to every animal Transformer, but just the ones that were summoned by the Oracle in "COTP". --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:Well, like I said, then, that's a category that only applies to one very specific storyline in one particular continuity. Do we need a category like that? Is there a precedent; some other category that's similar that's been done already? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:As I said on Category talk:Primitives the first time around, I think making a category for the primitives is unnecessary. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== Title Translations Por Favor ==
<nowiki>
[[Beast Wars 2 Guidebook]],
[[Beast Wars Neo Guidebook]],
[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers Guidebook]],
[[Masterforce Guidebook]]</nowiki>

I'd like a more 'proper' title on these guys if you could (especially sicne I own another MAsterforce guidebook) feel free to move the page if you can come up with one. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

==About the Metros images==

I dunno your level of Photoshoppery, but would it be possible for you to cut the "main" images of the guys from their backgrounds onto solid white? I would, but I'm in the middle of another art project and really shouldn't even be letting myself get as distracted with wikiwork as I am now. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not particularly good, but I'll try my hand at one of em. Hopefully I won't make it look any worse. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I did [[Metrotank]], but ugh, I'm not very good at this. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== source for Japanese G2 instruction manga images ==

Where did you get the images of the manga printed on the G2 instructions? If you still have the unedited ones as well as the actual instructions I'd like to host them on my site.

Also, do you know how to get in contact with Rik Ruff? he's the only one I know who ever had Car Robots instruction scans. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Foreign titles ==

Per your post on my talk page, I have ceased my deletions. I thought I was following the example set on the Revenge of the Fallen talk page. There Walky, had stated that foreign titles shouldn't be listed if they were simply a direct translation. I thought that was the consensus and was simply trying to catch examples that had fallen through the cracks. Apparently I was wrong, and I apologize for acting prematurely. Perhaps it is time to examine this policy. I will, of course, follow any decision made. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:30, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:That's fine. We've been discussing it in a thread over at the Allspark forums and a few good points have been brought up. For instance, if we remove all the Japanese titles that translate to being the same as the English one, but leave the Japanese titles for episodes where they translate differently, we'll end up looking like we have an incomplete record of foreign episode titles, rather than just omitting ones that aren't different enough. We could try and adjust things, like moving foreign titles down from the top of each article and into their own section, or perhaps something else. It's a decision that's not quite so cut and dry, certainly. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 15:24, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::If I may be pardoned for butting in, I'd say a good rule of thumb for this English-centric wiki would be that foreign-language titles should always included for completeness when the original title isn't in English, as this technically makes the English translation the foreign title. When the original language for the title is English, foreign titles can be omitted if they are essentially straight translations.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:19, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::But what Speng was saying-- that means you don't know if the title was omitted because it's never been translated, or simply because it's the same. Simple absence makes it impossible to know if this represents "work to be done" or "work already done." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:22, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::What about adding a list of languages that the episode has appeared in with the different titles noted there? For example if an episode had appeared in French, Russian, and Japanese the sentence might read "Translated into French, Russian (Title Unknown), and Japanese (Different Title). A footnote would indicate that the French title was a direct, literal translation. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:34, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Personally, I just think it's "neat" info to have on the wiki. Even if "Krieg der Dinobots" directly translates into "War of the Dinobots", I like the idea of having the foreign spelling available for reference just for the sake of having such information. It's even nicer in Japanese, since we get to have the Japanese characters present for reference. I wouldn't mind compromising with an "International titles/names" section down with the notes, if having the redundant titles up at the top of the page bugs people. I just don't like the idea of losing information, even if its trivial. I don't want to lose "Krieg der Dinobots" even if it means "War of the Dinobots". So far as Germany is concerned, the title is "Krieg der Dinobots", not "War of the Dinobots". I can't think of any other place that would keep such a comprehensive list of foreign spellings of names and titles, and it gives us one more thing to flaunt. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:37, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I don't see how it even IS information. If the title in a foreign language is simply a direct translation, then effectively it is the SAME title. The spelling in that other language is irrelevant, and (to me) uninteresting. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:30, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It would BE info for those that are interested in the linguistics of things. I'm with Spengs on keeping the info, not just for posterity's sake, but for completion of the Wiki. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:57, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Thank you==
You, sir, are a [[Primus|God]] among men for translating the [[Asterisk Story|Binaltech Asterisk]] stuff for [[Blaster (G1)|Broadblast]] and updating his article. I've been trying to get that stuff translated for two years. I'd like to award you 5 [[Robot Point]]s in recognition of your achievements.
[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 14:47, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:Just figured I oughta get that info documented before it disappears from the internet and we lose it forever ala Rise of the Chevy Autobots text stories. But glad you enjoyed em! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:19, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

==Beast Wars II and Neo logos==
Think either you or the others could dig up clean logos of both series so we can put them into their navigation templates? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:44, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

:Depends on how big you want em, I suppose. There's a BWII one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_2.gif Here] and a BWNeo one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_neo.gif Here] (and a BWReturns one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_returns.gif Here]), but they're only 120x65, which is kinda small. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:33, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

::Ay... Any scans of magazine articles or books with their logos? Heck, even the VHS covers. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:12, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, I suppose you could always use the intro screencaps from Bigbot, but you'd have to chop the watermark off the bottom ([http://bigbot.com/beast_wars_2/pictures/cartoon_tv_show/Transformers_BeastWars_2.jpg BWII], [http://www.bigbot.com/beast_wars_neo/bwneo.jpg BWNeo]). Given their quality, you might be better off just making your own screencap from a You Tube video, though. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:34, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

==Kanji?==
Hey, Speng. Do you have the original Japanese name for [[Energy Planet X]]? Just for completeness. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:29, 9 November 2009 (EST)
:Here ya go: エネルギー惑星X (enerugii wakusei X). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:31, 9 November 2009 (EST)
::Thanks. I wasn't sure if they were using English words or Kanji. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:37, 9 November 2009 (EST)

==BWR dates==
Have we got a broadcast schedule for the Beast Wars Returns episodes? Any of them? The DVD release? If you don't feel like dealing with the calendar, I'll do it, just throw me the info. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:31, 18 December 2009 (EST)
:Jim just hit me up with the same question a few minutes ago. I checked Japanese Wikipedia and another Japanese Beast Wars info site, [http://www.ne.jp/asahi/transformer/dinobase/e_index.htm DinoBASE], and they both only gave me the month and year the series began airing on TAKARAND and Cartoon Network Japan, but no proper airdate listings. It's possible that the Japanese DVDs may include the information in liner notes or what have you, but you'll have to hook up with someone who owns them (Buster Darkwings at the Allspark does, I believe). But I dunno if those DVDs actually ''have'' that info. Sorry. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:37, 18 December 2009 (EST)
::If you sift through the lists there are some dates given for each episode [http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html here] (just progress the month/year to get to the rest), but I'm not sure how accurate they are. --[[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 08:38, 19 December 2009 (EST)
:::Many thanks. I went through each month, matched the titles with the ones here to make sure the Japanese episode order was the same as the Western one and posted all the airdates on Sipher's talk page. The month listings matched up with when I know the show premiered in Japan and the airdates were consistent with each other, so the site's listings look legit to me. Thanks again! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:20, 19 December 2009 (EST)

== Zone catalogues ==

A question for you, my good man. [http://tfarchive.com/comics/gallery.php?g2_itemId=14997 This page here] has something about Deathsaurus on it. I wonder, could you give it a bit of an ol' translate to confirm a suspicion I have - that ''this'' might have been the source of the comment in the [[Generation_1_cartoon_timeline_(Japan)|Kiss Players timeline]] that Deathy came back to life after ''Victory''. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:27, 1 February 2010 (EST)

:Sure thing. It might have to wait until I get home from work so I can use a program to zoom in on the itty bitty text, though. I vaguely recall that it was just a recap of Victory, leading into Zone, but now I'm not entirely certain. I'll let you know tonight. '''--Spengs (at work, can't log in)'''

Alright. Holy crap. This is it, McFeely! I totally glossed over the page as nothing but a recap of Victory when it was a completely original story AND the one mentioned in the Kiss Player timeline (how freakin obscure can you get?). While the word "resurrected" isn't used, Deathsaurus is indeed referred to as the "Dark Emperor" ("Ankokutaitei"). And while Energon Z is not mentioned specifically, Deathsaurus DOES lead an attack on the Micro Zone which, presumably, contained Energon Z as it did in the Zone OVA.

Here are my complete translations of the page:

1. "Darkness Emperor Deathsaurus lead his underlings in an offensive against the Micro Zone."<br>

2. "Terrible! Emergency dispatch! Go, Micro Transformer Team!"<br>

3. "At this rate, the Micro Zone will be destroyed!"<br>

4. "Micro Transformers and Destrons have an incredible battle. But the Micro Transformers put forth a tremendous effort and the Destrons are driven away."<br>

5. "The Micro Transformer Team earns a tremendous victory. After this, the combined power of everyone in the Micro Zone continue to defend! You can do it!"<br>

:Oh-ho yes! The team of McFeely and Spengler is unstoppable! *dramatic pose* - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)

== Fast Action Beast Wars! ==

Time for another McFeely-Spengler double-headed crazy Japanese mystery solver! [http://snakas.web.fc2.com/07movie/fab_optimus.html Here's an article about Fast Action Battlers Prime] at Autobase Aichi, which includes information about what the heck ''Beast Wars'' has to do with all of this. The section of text which follows the large collection of images of Prime seems to explain what the deal was (something to do with the BW Telemocha series, I think), and then there's a section further down about the back of the package that seems to say a little more about it. We can crack this! And by "we", I do mean "you". :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:54, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:Well, it's the next best thing to having the action Japanese packaging to investigate. But to be fair, who the Hell would want to import some FABs from Japan just to get the box? There's a lotta text there, so this may take me a bit, but I'll endeavor to see if there's anything good in there. The section "日本での展開" (Development in Japan) seems to have all the Beast Wars info in it. Let's see if there's anything good...--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:22, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::Didn't take me as long as I thought, though you might be disappointed in hearing that there isn't really any "fiction" to go with this, at least not of any real substance.
Apparently, beginning with the Telemocha release of TM-11 Tigatron, they decided to cross-promote the Beast Wars Telemocha series with the FAB series, in print ads and on toy packaging. It sounds like this was done to give the toys some additional play value and to encourage kids, hungry for the Movie toys, to pick up those weird animal Transformers from ten years ago that they'd never heard of. The "fiction" was just a single packaging blurb, reproduced (or perhaps summarized) in the last sentence of that paragraph. It reads: "The story is that on the stage of the Beast Wars (Planet Energoa), a mysterious army of vehicles (Movie characters) have crossed from beyond space-time and attacked, beginning a battle between animals and vehicles."
So yeah, no "text stories" or anything like that. Just a packaging blurb to get kids who were crazy for the Movie to look into some repaints of ten year-old toys. We can probably take that bit off the front page's "wishlist", now. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:42, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:::Curious. So do you render 競演 as "cross-promotion", then?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:48, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::Wha? "Kyouen"? The part about the contest? No...that's not the part I was talking about, so much. The article says that the two series shared various advertising in catalogs and such, and a magazine contest, but I didn't see anything describing lengthy text stories which is what we're looking for. The storyline as the article describes it is the same as it was described in the KP Timeline and nothing new. "Cross promotion" was my word for it, not a translation, but isn't that what this is? Telemocha and the FAB lines promoting one another by crossing over? If there's anything about deeper fiction in there that I missed, by all means, let me know since you're more fluent than I am. But I don't think I misinterpreted it that badly...? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:59, 25 February 2010 (EST)

It might be lame, but it's another win for the Spengler-McFeely team. :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:07, 25 February 2010 (EST)

:::::I wasn't asking if there was any lengthy text; I visited the page myself and figured out much the same thing you did. The only term used that puzzled me was 競演, which my dictionary sources render as "recital contest". This doesn't make any sense to me, and I couldn't find any alternate interpretations right off before you posted your response. Your use of "cross-promote" seemed to match the same point in context where the original uses 競演, though it seems I misinterpreted you on that point. (If anyone here has the DVD that came with TM-11 Tigatron, maybe they can describe the segment with the BW and FAB characters interacting (or post it to YouTube or something), since that's also supposed to be 競演, and we can get a better idea of what the term means in this context.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 19:09, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::::''Ohhhhhh.'' I wasn't sure what you were getting at for some reason so I kinda got all worried that I might have catastrophically misinterpreted something. ''Phew''. I got that as "recital contest", too, but interpretted it as just being a part of a contest in a print magazine. The bit about the TM-11 Tigatron DVD seemed to just point toward the toys cohabiting a diorama in an advertisement, though if there's anything cool in there aside from toys standing around together, I would also like to see it. Storywise, though, I don't think there was anything more to the crossover aside from some pakaging and catalog background, though. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 19:13, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::Sorry, guess I picked my words poorly.
:::::::''just being a part of a contest in a print magazine''
:::::::I considered that, but I couldn't resolve that interpretation with the fact that there's a diorama story of a recital contest (or whatever it is) included on that DVD.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:06, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLIYvk76sNc This] is all I could find on YouTube. I'd check my TM-12 or TM-13 DVDs for anything more but they're in another town. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:55, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::As for "recital contest", [[Wikipedia:Discography_of_the_Devil_May_Cry_series#Devil May Cry 4 Original Soundtrack|Wikipedia]] translates it as "play opposite". Take that as you will. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:00, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::I have every TM release except the Ultra 2-pack and TM-13 Motorarm, and am more than willing to post any recordings from them that you might need. Since it looks like you need TM-11 and 12, I'll go ahead and do those for now.--[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 14:21, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::Hey, that'd be great. I'm hoping that there's more to it than the video Interro posted, which was just two separate commercials for FABs and the Telemocha toys. I didn't notice any "diorama" to speak of, so I'm hoping there's more. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:25, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::There is indeed more to it. There is a diorama, though I'm not sure I would describe it as a recital. Anyway here are the two videos: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiWA291oYn0 TM11] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzBCVv-bXIE TM12]
:::They're currently set to private non-YouTube user so you should be able to see it as long as you're one of the first 25 to click the link. Which there's no reason you shouldn't be. But if there is an issue with seeing the video, let me know. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:56, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::Hmmm, I must not have been one of the first 25. I tried viewing it while logged in and logged out of my You Tube account, and both times it wouldn't let me see it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:18, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::Whoops. My fault, I didn't have it set-up right. Needed to check the "Limited URL" check box and get the special link. Try [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=PiWA291oYn0&sharing_token=E-xWvrcpHagjzkYLdkqp5w] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=TzBCVv-bXIE&sharing_token=efwutVSJFsou9kOQSrDNMA] --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 18:43, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::Hmmm. I'm getting "invalid secret token", now. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 19:30, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::Ok, neglected to save the changes to the videos. I updated the links in my last edit and confirmed that they work. Sorry for the inconvience. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 19:39, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::And this is why the wiki community is awesome. It's all a learning experience! Seems like Motorarm's DVD would have covered the final FABs (Megatron and Brawl)... Hmm, I would say there's merit enough here to describe some of the content of these little staged fights in the respective characters' sections. "Tigatron once totally shot Starscream in the face, because God told him to." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:05, 26 February 2010 (EST)
Okay, that's cooler than the other side of the pillow. Nice to see that there actually IS some meat to this crossover. Not much, more like a single slice of bologna, but the fact that its more than a sentence is comforting. I'll add some of the specifics to the individual characters' fiction sections, even if it just boils down to "Tigatron shot Starscream in the face before Optimus Primal and Optimus Prime double-teamed him". Thank you, Tigerpaw! This is the sort of obscure holy grail stuff the Wiki thrives on! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:12, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:Almost seems to me like they could be under a header of their own on the Movie character pages. "Toy bios" seems wrong, since it's... not in the bios. "Beast Wars Telemocha Series storyline" or "shorts" or something (and use that title for the BW character pages too). Because very little of this actually seems to ''involve'' the FAB toyline... it's just a blurb there, but there's actual shorts over in Telemocha... "Beast Wars Telemocha/Fast Action Battlers crossover"...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:24, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::Hmmm, point taken. What should the storylink go to? The Japanese timeline as we have it now? The FAB article? The Telemocha article? Storylinks to BOTH the FAB and the Telemocha article? I am vexed. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:28, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::As for section titles, each of these videos begins with the title "Diorama Story", so maybe we should go with "Beast Wars Telemocha/Fast Action Battlers Diorama Story"...? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:29, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::Maybe we ought to just make an article about that and use that as the story link! That would probably merit investigating the precise content of the other DVDs to see if they have "Diorama Stories" on them, even if they don't have the movie characters in them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:31, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::If nobody else does: I've got all of the DVDs (except for Tigatron and the Ultras). I just don't have access to them till next weekend. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:36, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::That's fine, I think I can contain myself until then. I don't own any of the DVDs, myself, so if someone who does could make a "skeleton article" for them, I can flesh them out with the diorama story portions (as they're made available to me). Not much meat to these things, so one article with fiction segments detailing each diorama battle should be appropriate. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:39, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::I can look into this tomorrow/later today. I can also get more of the videos uploaded, if there are more. Since Interrobang has all but Tigatron and I have all but Motorarm, we just need to find a source for the two pack. If all else fails, I do plan to pick it up eventually. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 00:58, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::Ditto. I can get the two now if anybody can point me in the direction of a store that sells both. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:19, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::By the way, Tigerpaw, it's not a two-pack. That's the ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' one. That one has the remolded heads and their own CD. The ''Telemocha'' Ultras are sold separately, having more show-accurate colors but the molds' original heads. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:21, 27 February 2010 (EST)
Ah, thanks for correction Interrobang. I forgot those were separate. I've put up a rough skeleton which Mr. McFeely speedy deliveried to [[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story|Beast Wars Diorama Story]]. I based the episode order on the disc/case numbers but I don't know if that's the correct way to do it. The numbering of the discs/cases doesn't follow that of the figures, the discs that come with the Ultras have two numbers on them, and numbers 16-19 are skipped entirely. I've put both the disc number and figure ID number in the titles for the YouTube videos: [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=YHZsjq-ulZk&sharing_token=b2YUF4Rj91ZFCGnfFrJ82g TM1], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=RM8M2PsqggI&sharing_token=cEdj4-2J1XKqrpEDDqFM2A TM2], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=IGxfvP-I6p0&sharing_token=_WOV62896tW0dpFFX898pg TM3], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=4aab9RqCHjU&sharing_token=VoZRUWo71wezjlgdNxPx8A TM4], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=sI0kBYAierw&sharing_token=FbPzwWEBbhEmrHDXcuuvYA TM5], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=CLekVHeuavo&sharing_token=9BW7U3JH1nXNXAjQV0EAMA TM6], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=Ge82snpIbLU&sharing_token=p_xvr-WxyyRy7B94kSBZIQ TM7], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=LDqrdggv7mQ&sharing_token=5O7dFKYo_lu09peLv7-3-g TM8], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=gPHuJW5BuAg&sharing_token=5_8JEkBYhmQNusJjfAwimA TM9], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=YMCIk-vYfaA&sharing_token=9Wsi6FzbF6FpGsHr2eZzlQ TM10]. The previous two have had their titles updated. The disc numbers for Ultra Convoy are 1 and 15, Ultra Megatron are 13 and 14 and Motorarm is 21. I've upped the video compression this go-round so I could upload the videos faster. If it's too much, I can upload better versions. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 21:27, 27 February 2010 (EST)
Come to think of it, I think figure ID might be the right way to do it, because you end up with 5 episodes in between the ones involving the FABs the other way. Going to go change that. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, I was just casting my eye over it and was going to say the same thing. The little two-man fights showcased in each of these come in pairs reflected by the order of release as well. The numbers on the disc seem very random! Probably worth mentioning in a note.
:(this is awesome)
: - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:40, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::Alright, you guys rock! I'll get to work on gleaming the "story" from these things, though I fear it won't be more than "one time Gimlet joined the Predacons and became Tigatron's rival for five minutes and then everything went back to normal". But we love this shit, anyway. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:42, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Oh, hey, I just got it - the numbers on the discs are the numbers of the actual BW cartoon episodes that are on them (per the Japanese broadcast order, rather than the American one). That's why there are two numbers on the discs with the Ultra figures. Probably means there aren't two Diorama Stories on those ones. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:32, 28 February 2010 (EST)

Okay, I've filled out the [[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story|Beast Wars Diorama Story]] article up through Gimlet's chapter. If you guys ever get the last three chapters, just post the video links here and I'll write them up. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:18, 4 March 2010 (EST)
:Up high, my man. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:57, 4 March 2010 (EST)
::Excellent. Interrobang will probably have access to the last three sooner than I will. But I'm willing to help with getting them ripped and uploaded if needed. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 16:16, 4 March 2010 (EST)
===Interrobang uploads===
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t-WVHVQaQk Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story, Motorarm Hen]! 10th Anniversary Tarantulas makes a cameo. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:11, 4 March 2010 (EST)
:[http://www.youtube.com/user/Ittecap TM-SP DX Megatron]. It's just a "Character Data File" on "Megatron Energon Power Mode". The direct link is [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1B9M5N4wLY here], but you can only access it on my user account page at the moment. Scans of the catalog would be interesting, as they have power plans for Convoy and Megatron, plus some text snippets of the FAB thing, but I don't have a scanner on hand. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:34, 15 March 2010 (EDT)
::DX Convoy's up. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:05, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

== Untranslated PD types ==

So I see that [http://www.ne.jp/asahi/transformer/dinobase/etc/pdtf/pdtf_index.htm this site] has the few PD Type mangas we don't have translations for up in Japanese. Hint hint! ;) You probably knew this already, but I only just happened to click the link and find the site today. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:06, 9 March 2010 (EST)
:Heh. Yeah, they've actually been looming over my head for a while. They're really hard to translate because the scans are so poor the characters are hard to make out (and that's just for the strips; you can ''forget'' about the interviews and articles). For all the ones I've done, I had to zoom in with photoshop and basically stare at the blotch of ink until I could figure it out by context and with a kanji fastfinder for visual reference the furigana is pretty much illegible). More work for a one page strip than a ten page comic! I could try and get back on the horse, though. I came only 7 strips away from finishing... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:17, 9 March 2010 (EST)

== Japanese Version sections ==

Could we locate these further down the page? Maybe before Trivia? Notes on the Western version should trump translations, IMO. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:03, 14 April 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, probably a good idea. I bumped em all down to just above Trivia. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:08, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

== Hidehito Ueda ==

Do you want to tackle this Interview with Hidehito Ueda? [[Image:Hidehito Ueda.pdf]] He talks about some of the restrictions thrown at him that frustrated him. I've tried doing things like this before and got the entries "challenged" and the like, I thought you might have better luck. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 18:45, 28 April 2010 (EDT)

==vintage TFTM reviews==
If you have access to a college library (or the right public library) you could try a Lexis-Nexis search. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:39, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

:Well, I do go to NOVA, so I could ask about that next time I'm on campus. Mignash over at the AllSpark forums dug up a whole bunch for me that I can't go over right now, since I'm at work, but I'll take a look at as soon as I get home. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:41, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

==Grand Scourge==
# [http://obscuretf.com/tfscans/GrandScourgeBio.jpg Grand Scourge bio], untranslated as far as I know. (I own both the comics, but am not 100% sure where I put them, which is why I never scanned 'em for lonegamer - I scanned the bio ages ago, though.)
# [[Grand Scourge|Uhh...]] what're you going to do about that? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:44, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:(Wait, you do know there are two model kit comics, right?) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:48, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::No, I didn't know about *any* of that (or even the Grand Scourge article we already had). I was going off what scant info both Lonegamer and myself could find; didn't know you had all the stuff sitting around. I'll rework what I wrote, but if you could dig up those comics, that'd be even more helpful. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I'll see what I can do. Though, I will note - regarding your latest edit summary - that it's not a case of "we know he's a separate character from Nemesis Prime" so much as "there is a complete absence of information on the subject," so we separated them at the time for lack of anything better.

:::I'm half-sure that FantoFan translated the two minicomics way back when, but I don't believe the bio ever was ever done. IIRC, both Prime and Scourge got bios, but I don't think I scanned Prime's out of the assumption it would just be, well, a bio of Optimus Prime. But maybe it'll contain something interesting, so I'll scan it when I do everything else. -- [[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 13:11, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::::The bio sure isn't worth much:
::::''Destron Dark Commander: Grand Scourge
::::''A mysterious warrior who attacks the Cybertron forces out of nowhere. Though his form is identical to Grand Convoy's he is ruthless and will do whatever it takes to win. His mighty Drill Arm punctures even extremely heavy armor. Just what is the truth behind Scourge!?''
::::In short: He's strong, ruthless, evil and looks just like Prime/Convoy. No one knows where he came from or who he really is. Nothing we couldn't tell from the package illo.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:07, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Monzo is correct-- [http://www.fantofan.jp/fan/comic/fansub/modelkit-gc/model%20kit%20main.htm the comics were translated,] and unhelpful.
:::: Frankly as his ''only'' fiction, I want to say that Scourge's unfamiliarity w/ the group "and you must be the Autobots..." is a circumstantial indicator he is not the original Nemesis Convoy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:46, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Thanks for the link, Derik! It was lousy having to write up the summary based on the first page of Part 1, info gleamed from Japanese wiki and whatever was on the Ground Scourge article. I filled the article out completely now. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:44, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

==Yoketron==
''After donning a set of power-boosting armor, Prowl soon discovered that his newfound powers came at the expense of the land the living things around him (when he inadvertantly destroyed an entire city park).''
:Er... huh? Is there a word missing there? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:24, 11 September 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I was typing up the character article summaries at work, trying to multitask and not doing it very well, apparently. Lemme fix that... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:48, 11 September 2010 (EDT)

== Mystery of Convoy manga ==
I have a possible lead on a copy of the magazine this manga was in. Googling the kanji for Comic Bom Bom along with the number 1986 netted me a number of results where people were selling issues of Comic Bom Bom. Including [http://www.mandarake.co.jp/information/buy/zasshi/kodan.html this] one where it talks about a "Family Computer Winter 1986 Special". Since Famicom is short for Family Computer and our page on the game says the manga came out in a December 1986 issue, I'm guessing this might be the one. I'm not sure if the page is up to date, but I thought it worth throwing your way to see if you can follow up on it. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 23:07, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
:Yep, that's definately the issue. I have no idea how to order from that site, though (I've never ordered anything from any Japanese auction or mail order sites). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:01, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::I know we have some people living in Japan. So maybe they could help? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 00:37, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::This is what I was thinking. I must've gotten you mixed up with Buster Darkwings, Spengs. Because I had it in my head that you live in Japan. Anyway, he or Hydra may be able to help. I'm willing to throw in some cash to help purchase the book if need be. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 22:32, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
Had to go rooting through a box to confirm my memories, but there are some small scans of six of its pages shrunk down to fit on one page of [[Transformers Visualworks]]. No dialogue and obviously not complete, but there are captions that you might be able to glean something from, maybe enough to knock together a basic article. Someone else is using my scanner right now, but I'll get you the page when it's free. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:01, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:That'd be great! It'll certainly suffice until someone decides to be charitable, buys the book and sends me complete scans. So, basically, the Visualworks thumbnails are likely the best we'll ever get. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:50, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::[http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/4093/mysteryofconvoymanga.jpg Here ya go]. It's good and big! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:51, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::JAWESOME. I'm gonna need my kanji fastfinder to read a lotta dat, so it'll have to wait until I'm home from work. Looking at it, though, I have a feeling that's the ENTIRE manga. Just a how-to that goes through the boss battles of each stage, giving protips. A shame the dialogue's not there, but anything's better than nothing! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:57, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Man, that'd be awesome if it was. I thought it was only a sampling because I assumed those the header numbers denoted pages 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 9, but actually bothering to translate the katakana, I see they're for the STAGES, so if the manga didn't do every stage... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:13, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Hm, crud, it DID skip stages, now that I'm looking at it. Well, I'll give the text a deciphering and see if it says anything about the thumbnails being complete or not. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 15:16, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Mmn, but those shown ''are'' the only identifiable bosses from the game, 3, 6 and 8 being that giant Decepticon logo, and these pages are quite specifically ''just'' about the bosses. Trypticon is left out, mind you, but that could be a spoiler thing... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:27, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:Good point. Betcha TX may know something about this, as I recall he's the one who first brought up its existence. I'll give him a ring on his talk page. For better or worse, I WILL get those last two red links off the Manga article! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:02, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

== Japanese DVD questions ==
I saw you provided cover scans to TFArchive for some of the Japanese G1 DVD box sets, so I'm hoping you might be able to confirm whether any of the Japanese G1 or BW sets you own contain BW commercials as extras? I'm asking because Brian Ward is looking for commercials and such in the [http://www.shoutfactory.com/community/3306/thread.aspx Beast Wars thread over at the Shout! Factory forum] and I know one of the box sets did have some early US ads. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:12, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:I own the G1 DVD sets, but I'm afraid they don't have any Beast Wars commercials on them. They have a plethora of G1 and even Diaclone commercials, though, but I don't think that's of any use to Shout Factory is they're working on Beast Wars sets... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:11, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::Thank you very much for confirming Spengs. I knew it didn't make much sense for them to be on the G1 sets but I thought they might originally have been on the Headmasters Laserdisc set and thus that might have followed through to DVD. I'm guessing you'd probably have added the info by now if so, but are any of the G1 ads on those DVDs not covered on the Wiki? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 18:43, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:::It's been a while since I watched them. All the ones with animation have been covered on the wiki, I know that for sure. Obviously, we haven't covered any of the Diaclone ones (which oddly are a mishmash of commercials featuring Transformer moulds and commercials featuring Diaclone toys that never made it to Transformers, including one very elaborate one with live action actors). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:52, 9 February 2011 (EST)

==Reproganmar & Megsy's friend==
A number of pages mention that [[Megatron's dead friend]] is an ambassador and that his death caused Megatron to restart the war. However, I can't find confirmation of this among the material on TFArchive. Are those two "facts" an interpretation of the one image itself or do they get more substance from another source?<br>
Also, since you translated "Great Decisive Battle of Planet Beast!", could you confirm the kana of [[Reproganmar]]'s name? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:55, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
:The translation on the TFArchive pages are all I know for that material. I think, ''think'', the "ambassador" and "friend" things didn't come from the text-itself, but from the ooooooold TFCyberbon site where the image was originally hosted, in one of Hydra's "reviews" of the page. He said something like "You can really feel for Megatron as he cradles his dead friend in his arms". Something like that and people may have gotten that "review" confused with an actual "translation".
::And "Reproganmar" thing reads in Japanese, "吸熱植物リプロガンマー" (kyuunetsu shokubutsu ripuroganmaa). I originally translated that first part as "Fever Vegetation" but in retrospect that's an incomplete translation. "Heat-sucking Vegetation" would be better (吸 is "to suck/inhale" while 熱 is both "fever" and "temperature"). "Reproganmar", no matter how I tried to rationalize it, just came out as gibberish to me, but if you can see something lingual in there then go for it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:35, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
:::I'm willing to believe from the image that Megatron liked the guy, it's his supposed job and influence on the story I question. So there's nothing at all linking the image to the actual story? That is one note I'm going to hate writing. Much thanks for the help and extra translation (and no, I can't make a word or name out of it either. Looks like "Reprogammer" to me, but that's still gibberish). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:41, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

==On scrum-age in Japan==
Apparently it's not just a Masumi Kaneda thing.

[http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics01.jpg http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics01.jpg]

[http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics02.jpg http://obscuretf.com/ScrumLyrics02.jpg]

From the Super Sentai Spirits 2004 concert, the theme songs for "Battle Fever J" and "Goggle V", respectively. (I guess maybe it's not meant to be translated literally? Or maybe the subtitler just wanted the lyrics to flow better...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 19:24, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:That makes sense, thinking about it; "scrum" being used to mean "coming together" rather than a literal rugby scrum. Kinda like how the Japanese use of "pinch" is often translated as "crisis" or "trouble" rather than the literal word. Still, when it comes to things like "scrum-buster", I can't really think of a way to render the intent without making it sound really clunky. And besides, most of the arguments about the use of "scrum" I've gotten on the talk pages here have been people insisting it's supposed to be "scram", short for "scramble power", which just isn't the case. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:38, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

== Out of curiosity... ==

Do you have the scans for the ''Masterforce'' manga laying around? I'm on a ''Masterforce'' kick now and I'd like to review over the manga to potentially complete any pages I've created. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:31, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
:No scans, sorry. I own a copy of Transformers: The Comics that has all the vintage TV Magazine manga in it. I only ever scanned for TFArchive the issues that I fully translated. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:08, 19 June 2011 (EDT)
::Ah. Thank you for answering, anyway. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:16, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

== Galvatron's "see main article" link ==

Don't we normally have a quick summary write-up of the linked continuity there, in addition to the link? Look on Optimus Prime's page for an example. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:42, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

Keyword being "quick", the edit I undid was huge. Not saying there shouldn't be a short paragraph there, but what that anon wrote wasn't it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:05, 11 September 2011 (EDT)

== Thanks ==
Hi there. Thank you for your work for [[Brian Cummings]]. Would you find a Picture of [[Dave Fennoy]]? {{unsigned|Mr.Fennoy75}}

== Nathan Fillon Picture ==

Thanks for [[Dave Fennoy]] and his picture. Now we need Nathan Fillion's Picture.
[[User:MrFennoy75|Fen]] 9:30, 12 November 2011 (EST)

== 2 Stupid Dogs ==

Do you remember 2 Stupid Dogs?

:And speaking of dogs, any idea who the third missing dog is? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:10, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
::I didn't think we had an article for [[Patch (G1)|Patch]] so I didn't even look. But we DO have an article for Patch because OF COURSE we have an article for Patch! Incidentally, his design on that flyer reminds me of the title character from "The Family Dog", at least in the shape of his head. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:16, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

== Transformers Prime 2-Hour Special ==

For my own future use when I have time to work up the article:

トランスフォーマープライム深夜の完全変形 2時間ペシャル (''Transformers: Prime Shinya no Kanzen Henkei Nijikan Special''; Transformers: Prime Perfect Transformation Late Night 2-Hour Special). [http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xstkzs_%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%97%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A0-%E6%B7%B1%E5%A4%9C%E3%81%AE%E5%AE%8C%E5%85%A8%E5%A4%89%E5%BD%A2-2%E6%99%82%E9%96%93%E3%83%9A%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB-1-3_shortfilms#.UeWB1hgo670 video for part 1] and [http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2012/tv-tokyo/ the official webpage advertising it] --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:39, 16 July 2013 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Rhyming is not one of my best points. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:58, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
:Not a problem! Most of my older rhymes need tightening, too, but I may never get around to redoing them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:04, 5 September 2013 (EDT)

==Oubari==
Spengler, I have had this tweet from Oubari saved with no one to show it to. It seems to mention Transformers in some capacity? It might just be advertising the new DVD set.

https://twitter.com/g1_bari/status/158567583287746560

If nothing else, this seems to be Oubari's official Twitter account. I don't know if you use Twitter or can write conversational Japanese, but maybe we can work out a way to actually get some answers from the horse's mouth... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:38, 18 October 2013 (EDT)
:A rough translation:
::"Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers DVD Set 1 is being released on the 25th of this month! I drew this jacket myself, and I'm really happy they're using it again (smiley face)."
:I don't have a Twitter account, no. I could write something simple, but I'm afraid I lack confidence in my conversational skills; I'd be worried about whether it would be polite, as I'd hate to come off as rude. A "please excuse my poor Japanese" qualifier doesn't seem very feasible via twitter's limited character length.
:Maybe break it up into two Tweets? A first one with the polite qualifier (済みません,私の日本語は余り良くないです. 私が質問をすることが?) ("Excuse me, my Japanese isn't very good. May I ask a question?") If he consents, then try a second tweet with a specific question, maybe. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:35, 18 October 2013 (EDT)

==G.I.Joe vs Tranformers==
Would've funk it? As I was reading those articles you were adding in the information I was actively wondering about. Thanks! [[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 14:15, 6 November 2013 (EST)
:An act of providence, no doubt! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:48, 6 November 2013 (EST)
::Indeed. Now I just have to track those down. I've got the vol1 tpb and a copy of issue 1 signed by Blaylock.--[[User:Altercron|Altercron]] 14:20, 6 November 2013 (EST)

==Forum==
Excuse me, but can you give me a link to the forums on this wiki? I'm lost. [[User:BlueSpeeder|BlueSpeeder]] ([[User talk:BlueSpeeder|talk]]) 17:34, 14 November 2013 (EST)
:Forum was a slip of the tongue; my bad. But you'll want to [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki:Captions read this] before you go changing captions. New users need to provide meaningful content before they can alter captions. That's a site rule. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 18:08, 14 November 2013 (EST)

==Beastformers==
Spengs, I know you were translating some Beastformer material a while ago; this guy seems to have transcribed all(?) the pack-in pamphlets for the line.

[http://homepage3.nifty.com/redalert/toybox/tf/HM/BF/BFStory01.html http://homepage3.nifty.com/redalert/toybox/tf/HM/BF/BFStory01.html]

[http://homepage3.nifty.com/redalert/toybox/tf/HM/BF/BFStory02.html http://homepage3.nifty.com/redalert/toybox/tf/HM/BF/BFStory02.html]

One of them mentions Repug(nus), so they have some tangential relation to Transformers, at least. (Note that the guy says only one of the pamphlets had a title so he made 'em up for the rest, which might make organization a little difficult...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 19:22, 23 November 2013 (EST)

== I'm not going to do these anymore==
aw c'moooon nobody else is gonna do iiiiit! --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 15:19, 13 December 2013 (EST)

== The Creation Revoltech! ==

It's a four-panel comic from Figure Oh: [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/revoltech-movie-optimus-prime-scan-from-figure-king-162-the-creation-revoltech/22465/] [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 11:06, 28 February 2014 (EST)
:Thanks! I'm gonna put that link in an External link section of the article, just so people know what it is for now. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 11:24, 28 February 2014 (EST)
::Could you possibly translate it for us. please? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:58, 28 February 2014 (EST)

== Jet packs ==

If you want to do a run down, [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Jet_pack|there you go]] ;) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 11:28, 14 May 2014 (EDT)

==BW II & Neo==
So you know both J-BW series are now entirely available as raw torrents, right? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 20:42, 9 July 2014 (EDT)

== G1 Season 5 ==

If it helps: [http://tfraw.blogspot.com/2013/09/transformers-g1-season-5.html] [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 16:10, 31 July 2014 (EDT)
:Oh man! You came to the rescue! I'm gonna tackle these today or tomorrow; should be fun. Thanks for the hookup! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 16:14, 31 July 2014 (EDT)
::Most of the thanks should go to Walruslaw. Dude's collection of the obscure is ''intense''. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 16:18, 31 July 2014 (EDT)

== Whoops ==

Sorry about that. Was in a hurry, and when I deleted the issue 0 link from the bit I was copy/pasting, I accidentally cut too much! - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 11:21, 14 August 2014 (EDT)
:Sorry if I sounded curt; I didn't mean that as a dig against you! I was just starting to fix some typeos when I noticed I didn't have the opportunity to go after them all. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 11:22, 14 August 2014 (EDT)

== Ssssssspengs ==

There are pics of the Legends pack-in comics scattered about, if I get you links can you maybe get the titlesss...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:52, 13 February 2015 (EST)

:Sho nuff. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 11:53, 13 February 2015 (EST)
::Nobody seems to be scanning these but a reviewer named Tagoal has been photographing them in his reviews, I don't know if you can even get anything from these, they might not even HAVE titles, but they are: [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_RATTLE/_1610732.jpg #1], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_CONVOY/_1620018.jpg #2], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_TANKOR/_1660542.jpg #3], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_ROADBUSTER/_1670090.jpg #4], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_WHIRL/_1000950.jpg #5], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2014_02/TFLG_GELSHARK/_1020798.jpg #6], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2015_01/TFLG_JETFIRE/_1040782.jpg #7], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2015_01/TFLG_TAILGATE/_1050627.jpg #8], [http://tagoal.flxsrv.org/images_2015_01/TFLG_BLAINSTORM/_1060525.jpg #9], and then the three Fembots will be #10-12. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:20, 13 February 2015 (EST)
:::Seibertron has some close up pictures for Brainstorm's and Tailgate/Swerve's in their galleries, although not for their gallery of Jetfire. Hope that helps. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:23, 13 February 2015 (EST)
::::Thanks, guys! Well, looking at them, I can see that the issues do not have unique titles, no. The pics are way too small for me to read all the dialogue, but I can make out the top right corner of Page 1 (so the left page) mostly from context. Looks like the yellow block that's slightly diagonal says 出張版 (Business Trip Edition) and the red block says 漫画トランスフォーマーレジェンズ (Transformers Legends Comic). Below that in the white block is the Volume number designations. So the individual titles should probably be "Transformers Legends Comic: Business Trip Edition Vol. 1" and so on. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2015 (EST)

== Transformers Telephone ==

Spengs, as ever, I call upon your linguistic skills! A user has contacted the Wiki through our Tumblr with what are apparently at least some of the Transformers Telephone recordings. Can you [https://www.mediafire.com/folder/gftowokdzksgk/Telephone_Transformers work your magic]? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:39, 6 March 2015 (EST)
:Well, I can definitely summarize the dialogue for you. It's pretty simple. But full translations are a little tougher because, I'll be upfront, I have always had a hard time understanding Megatron and ESPECIALLY Teletraan-1 because of all the robo-voice effects they have. I'll see what I can do. The story's pretty dry, though. Just a discussion of new toys/technology from the characters and a battle at Metroplex. This individual wouldn't happen to have the Operation Combination telephone adventures, would he? Now THOSE are a true Holy Grail, what with having all the info on Scrash in them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 20:13, 6 March 2015 (EST)
::These alone are second-hand, unfortunately. Digging about a bit, it looks like the Fight Super Robot Life-era telphone adventures were included on a CD with the laserdisk series set in Japan, so that must be where these files come from, but they're only a fraction of the number out there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 20:17, 6 March 2015 (EST)

#1: Scramble City

*Megatron: "Bastards! We'll attack the Autobots one more time. Scramble City will fall to Lord Megatron! Decepticons, attack!"
*(Battle noises)
*Optimus: "Damn you, Megatron! You won't prevail! Autobots, prepare for battle! Activate Scramble City! Transform!"
*(Battle noises)
*Optimus: "We will protect the peace of the universe! Let's go! Autobots, Full Throttle Scramble Power!"
*Megatron: "The Decepticons are invincible! Watch, Prime, as the Decepticons conquer the universe! Ha Ha Ha!"

Not perfect, particularly on Megatron's opening dialogue; but as you can see the adventures aren't too complex. I'll see about doing the rest. -[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 20:31, 6 March 2015 (EST)

== Translation request ==

Hey Spengs, help me out with this Movie Prime mountain I'm trying to climb: [http://decepticons.jp/index03.html this silly little Yokohama Base strip], is there ''any'' explanation in the dialogue about what the movieverse characters are doing there? Are they just ''there'', or at they, like, I dunno, expo statues on display that come to life, or something? Page 4 would be the one to look at I think. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 21:26, 17 May 2015 (EDT)

:It's not entirely clear. Nemesis Prime goes to the TF Expo and mistakes Prime and Bumblebee for "cartoon character costumes". When they attack, he remarks wit surprise that they're "the real thing". The relics present at the expo are all the true relics, too. When he arrives, Nemesis even laments the death of Movie Megatron with a "poor guy...". I mean, by initial appearances, this takes place in the Movie universe. But then Dr. Arkeville is there, and he's a G1 character, and the Prefecture Primes are there, and they're Aligned characters. It's all really silly and without explanation, unfortunately. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 12:15, 22 May 2015 (EDT)

::It's also entirely possible that the comic takes place in Sakamoto's Legends universe, where all these characters from different continuities coexist in a "dreamworld" created by Nijika. But that might be putting too much thought into it. This was probably just meant to be a silly comedy relief comic. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 12:34, 22 May 2015 (EDT)

:::Silly is fine with me! We're pretty good at not taking ourselves too seriously around here, but we need more thinks that laugh at attempts at classification and just ''are''. Many thanks, fellow! :D -[[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]])

Also, is there any possibility that you could translate the "The Creation Revoltech!" comic, since there's nothing on the internet outt there about it? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:42, 17 May 2015 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Metals ==

FYI, I've [[Talk:Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals (manga)#Scans|uploaded scans of the entire series]], in case you want to check them over for any details to add or corrections to your summaries. You can also buy the series as an ebook on http://www.ebookjapan.jp/ebj/index.asp, if you prefer. It's less than $5. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:52, 17 July 2015 (EDT)
:Thanks! I was writing those summaries blind, since I was going from the ancient ones on Dave's TF page. His summaries had been edited by Hydra and another Japanese speaker, so I took em on good faith. Thanks for correcting them (and for the scans). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 15:54, 17 July 2015 (EDT)

== Ed Flanders and the Saga of Terror ==

I'm goign through the series for reasons at the moment, and I ''would'' be willing to believe that "A Prime Problem" was animated by a separate studio from the norm - it has "softer" animation, moments of striking smoothness, and that odd "airbrushed" white sheen on metal. I doubt I'll be able to pick out any more by this same group, though Zobovor figured that "Auto Berserk" was by the same crowd as that one. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:45, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

::It's really hard to tell who did those 7 episodes since unlike AKOM, the unknown studio doesn't have visual cues that are obvious enough to distinguish it from Toei. I'd like to think that "Kremzeek" was by them, because it has all that really bad Japanese text in it, but that could ''also'' just be an effect of Toei farming out background work to one of the Korean sub-studios. And heck, even "A Prime Problem" has some animation in it that's actually pretty good, while other episodes that look off, like "B.O.T." or "Triple Takeover", don't look a thing like "A Prime Problem". Honestly, since there's no surefire way to be sure which 7 episodes are the non-Toei/AKOM episodes, we'd be better off not guessing. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 15:01, 21 July 2015 (EDT)

== Cloud. ==

I think it's there cause both version of the Cloud guys and versions of the actual cartoon characters show up in those stories. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:55, 27 August 2015 (EDT)
:Ohhhhhhhhh. My bad. There wasn't any text to provide context, so I hadn't a clue. I'll undo. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 17:56, 27 August 2015 (EDT)
::I'm just guessing, myself, since McFeely added the small bits that had been translated for Ironhide's stuff and it was the same sort of deal. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]])

== A question about terminology in a manga ==

I noticed that you are listed as the translator for "[[The New Battle!!]]" May I ask if you happen to have original copies or scans of the manga special in Japanese? I was wondering if in the original Japanese text "Cybertron", "Destron", "Convoy", etc. are used since the translation uses "Autobot", Decepticon", "Optimus Prime", etc. I would think the former as it is a 1990s Japanese work, but I don't have originals to check. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:30, 5 January 2016 (EST)
:Although my raw scans were lost when my old computer crashed, I can tell you that they used the Japanese names and terminology for all characters and concepts. Like with all my other thousand year-old translation, I localized the them and used English names and terms. Only other things of note: I mistranslated "Multi Shower Missile" as "March Shower Missile" and feel dumb because of it, and Kenji's radical dialogue was me having a little fun because every other word out of his mouth was "sugei/kakkoi" and just writing "cool/awesome" would have gotten old real fast. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 17:47, 5 January 2016 (EST)
::Alright, thank you! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:11, 5 January 2016 (EST)

== No need to piece together Cloud fiction! ==

[[http://takaratomymall.jp/special/tfcloud/story01_06.html The entire stories]] are available online to read! I believe each of our pages for the Cloud chapters each have a link at the bottom to the appropriate story. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 17:50, 8 March 2016 (EST)

== Ultra Megatron's power ==

I have spent a good minute trying to determine the proper description of Ultra Megatron's power output for his "Star Buster" cannon. I came across old posts of yours on other sites like TFArchive that brought me to you as a reliable source for this type of thing. I have found two sources of broken scans for the same page. One says his cannon can destroy an asteroid and the other says a small planet.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050326171240/http://www.tfpulp.com:80/articles/tvm/91-12/12_91.html

"The previously seen Super Megatron proved equal to Star Convoy in strength, but Ultra Megatron is something else entirely. Capable of smashing even an asteroid to bits, with his incredible Star Buster cannon, he shows his strength as having become some ten times that of Star Convoy."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Vs2aCmWbb6YJ:z6.invisionfree.com/axalonunderground/ar/t3612.htm+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

"Ultra Megatron is different that when he was Super Megatron and unable to defeat the power of Star Convoy. He can now destroy a small planet. His Star Buster has 10 times more power that Star Convoy's own power."

I'm really interesting in finding the most accurate translation. I also just find it odd that Galvatron destroyed two planetoids (Goo and Thrull) and even a storm cell on Jupiter, as far back as The Five Faces of Darkness, but a supposedly more powerful Ultra Megatron (ten times more powerful than Star Convoy who has the Zodiac!) can only bash apart an asteroid. I do know that Japanese doesn't always translate to English well with plurals and I've heard that planet and star can be mixed up. I have no idea but if you have any insight I'd appreciate any feedback. Thanks.
--[[User:Iustitia|Iustitia]] ([[User talk:Iustitia|talk]]) 17:10, 24 January 2018 (EST)

Talk:Quintessa (TLK)

2018-01-20T06:34:16Z

Iustitia: /* Quintessa and Quintus */

Um, how do we know she's a transformer? Yeah, she has the eyes but I don't think that's proof enough. We don't know much about her origin...unless it was mentioned in a tie-in matieral.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 20:26, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
:She calls herself a Prime, so without anything else to go on, I assume she's Cybertronian. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:13, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
::I thought that was a self-given title. Plus, she's the "great deciever", remember?

::I just don't think there's enough evidence.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:35, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

== Quintessa and Quintus ==

I would like to make note of the fact that Quintessa claiming to be the Prime of life in the latest film is a pretty clear parallel to [[Quintus Prime]]. Quintus Prime in the Aligned continuity is the Prime dedicated to creating new life, his section of the Covenant of Primus makes this clear, his artifact the Emberstone is basically a mcguffin for making lifeforms on new worlds, and with the Power of the Primes line we get Hasbro's tag for Quintus - Seeder of Life.

[[File:QuintusPrimeSeederofLife.png‎]]

Quintus Prime is the Prime of life in our post-singularity franchise. Now obviously with the end of multiversal Primes each continuity is free to deviate. I think it's pretty obvious that despite being female instead of male and bad rather than good, Quintessa like Quintus is a Quintesson throwback, an ancient being from Cybertron's beginning, and evidently the Prime of life. Officially we can't say she is an iteration of Quintus Prime within a Tyran universal stream, but surely we can make note of the parallels being pretty on the nose. She, a supposed great deceiver, could turn out to be a total liar and it'd still be worth mentioning that the character's concept relates to Quintus.--[[User:Iustitia|Iustitia]] ([[User talk:Iustitia|talk]]) 01:21, 20 January 2018 (EST)

Talk:Quintessa (TLK)

2018-01-20T06:21:43Z

Iustitia: /* Quintessa and Quintus */ new section

Um, how do we know she's a transformer? Yeah, she has the eyes but I don't think that's proof enough. We don't know much about her origin...unless it was mentioned in a tie-in matieral.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 20:26, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
:She calls herself a Prime, so without anything else to go on, I assume she's Cybertronian. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:13, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
::I thought that was a self-given title. Plus, she's the "great deciever", remember?

::I just don't think there's enough evidence.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:35, 4 July 2017 (EDT)

== Quintessa and Quintus ==

I would like to make note of the fact that Quintessa claiming to be the Prime of life in the latest film is a pretty clear parallel to Quintus Prime. Quintus Prime in the Aligned continuity is the Prime dedicated to creating new life, his section of the Covenant of Primus makes this clear, his artifact the Emberstone is basically a mcguffin for making lifeforms on new worlds, and with the Power of the Primes line we get Hasbro's tag for Quintus - Seeder of Life. Quintus Prime is the Prime of life in our post-singularity franchise. Now obviously with the end of multiversal Primes each continuity is free to deviate. I think it's pretty obvious that despite being female instead of male and evil rather than male, Quintessa like Quintus is a Quintesson throwback, an ancient being from Cybertron's beginning, and evidently the Prime of life. Officially we can't say she is an iteration of Quintus Prime within a Tyran universal stream, but surely we can make note of the parallels being pretty on the nose. She, a supposed great deceiver, could turn out to be a total liar and it'd still be worth mentioning that the character's concept relating to Quintus is pretty on the nose.--[[User:Iustitia|Iustitia]] ([[User talk:Iustitia|talk]]) 01:21, 20 January 2018 (EST)

Quintessa (TLK)

2018-01-19T20:51:05Z

Iustitia: /* Notes */

{{disambig3|Quintessa}}
:''Quintessa is an apparent [[Transformer]] from [[Transformers: The Last Knight (franchise)|The Last Knight]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:TLK Quintessa face.jpg|thumb|right|400px|[http://wikimoon.org/index.php?title=Queen_Beryl That's so sweet, I'm getting cavities.]]]

'''Quintessa''' is a mysterious and powerful space sorceress. The self-described "[[Prime (rank)|Prime]] of Life", she claims to have created the [[Transformer|Cybertronian]] species and considers [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to be hers to command.

Then again, she's also been referred to as "The Great Deceiver", so how much of what she says is actually ''true'' may be up for debate. What ''does'' appear to be true about Quintessa is that she's a ruthless, genocidal psychopath with massive delusions of grandeur—an overall "charming" personality that, quite frankly, makes her more endearing to the tyrannical [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] than to the noble [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]].

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==Fiction==
===''The Last Knight'' film===
:''Actress:'' [[Gemma Chan]] (English), [[Sayaka Kinoshita]] (Japanese), [[Li Bingbing]] (Chinese)
[[File:TLK Optimus chained.jpg|thumb|right|300px|It would seem, my little Princess, that in your anger, you destroyed them both.]]

The true origins and motives of the being known as Quintessa are unknown. She professed to be the creator and goddess of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], but in the distant past, her twelve [[Guardian Knight]]s came to understand that she was not as benevolent as she appeared, and so stole her powerful [[Staff of Merlin|staff]] and hid it on [[Earth]].

In the present day, seeking to repair the shattered Cybertron—ravaged by the [[Autobot]]/[[Decepticon]] war—Quintessa took control of the deserted planet and began moving it across space, intending to replenish it by draining the lifeforce of Earth—or as she knew it, Cybertron's ancient enemy [[Unicron]]. To accomplish this, she required her staff, and under undivulged circumstances, made contact with the Decepticon leader [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], charging him with locating it for her.

As Cybertron entered Earth's solar system, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]—who had previously left Earth in search of his [[Creator (AOE)|creators]]—came across it and set down on its surface. As Optimus entered [[Ignition chamber|Quintessa's base]], Quintessa intimated that she was the creator he had been searching for, which prompted Optimus to attack her, but she easily restrained him. Striking Optimus across the cheek, she left a red "scar" that spread over his face, placing him under her control. Redubbing him "Nemesis Prime", Quintessa dispatched him to Earth as another agent to search for her staff.

The brainwashed Optimus would ultimately fail in his mission as his old friends helped him break Quintessa's control, but not before the staff had been located. Megatron, however, snatched victory from the jaw's of Optimus's defeat, stealing the staff and delivering it to Quintessa as Cybertron arrived in Earth's atmosphere. Quintessa triggered the energy transfer from Earth to Cybertron, and charged Megatron with defending her as she used her own body as a conduit between staff and planets. A combined assault from the Autobots, humans, and Knights vanquished all her forces, but her own power remained more than enough to stop Optimus when he tried to take her on directly. Unfortunately for Quintessa, Optimus was only a distraction; his frontal assault left her open to an attack from the rear by [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], who blasted and seemingly vaporized her.

[[File:TLK-Quintessa-human-disguise.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|"I will reek a Terrible Revenge".]]
The Autobots and their allies subsequently stopped Quintessa's plan by recovering the staff and retaking control of Cybertron. Quintessa, however, was not yet defeated. Disguising herself as a human, she approached one of the scientific expeditions studying one of Unicron's horns in a desert. Cautioning them against touching Unicron, she offered them a way to kill him... {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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==Toys==
===The Last Knight===
[[File:TF-TLK-Quintessa-figurine.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Anime sure is weird.]]
*'''Infernocus''' (Legion Class Combiner 5-pack, 2017)
**''Accessories'': 2 swords (Combine into one larger sword), Quintessa mini-figure, Mission Card

:The [[Infernocus]] box set is exclusive to [[Toys"R"Us]] stores and includes a small translucent blue Quintessa figurine with no articulation.
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==Notes==
* Quintessa is loosely based on the [[Quintesson]]s of [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] lore, while her name comes from [[Quintessa (planet)|their home planet]].
* It is never made clear whether Quintessa is one of the "[[Creator (AOE)|Creator]]s" mentioned in ''Age of Extinction'', as the only glimpse of an apparent Creator in that film shows an ''organic'' hand.
* Quintessa may be an evil, female iteration of [[Quintus Prime]], one of the [[Thirteen]] Primes and also a "Prime of life".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Quintessa''' (クインテッサ ''Kuintessa'')
*''Korean:'' '''Quintessa''' (쿠인테사 ''Kuintesa'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Quintessa''' (Taiwan, 昆特沙, ''Kūntèshā''), '''Quintessa''' (China, 昆塔沙 ''Kūntǎshā'')

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Talk:Megatron (G1)

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==Split page?==
So... time to split off Meggy's toy section as we did Optimus? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 09:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:Absolutely. I'd already twice considered bringing the issue up. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 09:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

==Wikipedia Argh==
So, uh, how much of this article is copied from Wikipedia? I am going to cry. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

:A general rule I use for detecting wikipedia-copied info is when the information is ''deadly serious'' or rather blandly generic, or merely not nerdly enough :D . --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, and when there are little to no links to existing pages on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

:::So do we carve out the wikipedianess and start over on those parts, or what? I can only imagine G1 Prime is in the same shape... though I haven't looked. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

::::It will be alot of work to write up new parts for those pilfiered articles, but does our wiki intend to be the most informative, or the most fun? Also, long article sections (like stuff stolen from wikipedias) tend to be very boring to read. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

::I shall leap in here and point out that the guts of the Wikipedia article (and Prime's, too) was written by me. It's evolved somewhat since then, and I don't remember EXACTLY how much of what was mine is here. I didn't copy it over, but I'm just sayin'. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

:::Uh, actually, looking back over this, only the Marvel Comics and animated series bits were really me... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

On the changes - Iacon wasn't levelled in There Shall Come A Leader. It was destroyed by Trannis in ''The Middle Years''. Megatron's intent to turn Cybertron into a warworld is referenced on page three of the first issue. And... where do we get that the war only lasted a hundred years before the Ark launch? [http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/Annual86_Megatron.jpg This profile] from the '86 annual says a thousand. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 04:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:"As you know, Megatron disappeared after a hundred or so years of war, and was presumed dead." --Xaaron, {{storylink|Legion of the Lost!}} I'll fix the Iacon thing, if it isn't already. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

===Masterpiece Megatron===
The toy sections shouldn't read like reviews, man. Put that sort of thing on your blog, not on the wiki. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

===Alignment===
Is alignment in-continuity ENOUGH to merit mention? (The e-hobby Magnus stuff seems to tell 'some version' of alignment's events, I'd consider it AS in-continuity as the Last Days of Optimus Prime, whichw as later mentioned.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I would say neither should be in there. Not endorsed by Hasbro and/or Takara? Not canon. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]]

I think they can be mentioned as long as they are stated as being pseudo-canonical. I certainly think that both of those stories deserve their own articles, for example. "Fanfic" written by Simon Furman is a little different than regular run of the mill fanfic. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 20:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Alignment was mentioned in detail in the Ultimate Guide, so one could say it's retroactively canon. Not that I welcome it all that warmly, but... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:51, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

===Galvatron===
In answer to Sipher's question he posed as a comment to his edit, no, I don't think Galvatron should be here. Whether they're the same character or not, Galvatron shows up plenty enough as his own character from the future (and tends to fight/team up/interact with Megatron) to warrant his own entry. Otherwise, a combined Megatron/Galvatron entry is just going to be way too long and confusing as hell. (And, yeah, I am factoring in that Galvatron II will prolly already get his own entry.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

:Probably a good idea. While some characters (Smokescreen/Hoise, Bumblebee/Goldbug) get upgraded/renamed and basicalyl continue in a straight line, Galvatron time-jumps and even fights himself. In MANY continuities, Megatron doesnt' even BECOME Galvatron. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

::Right. Galvatron's riding the fence between Hot Rod/Rodimus, Bumblebee/Goldbug and Dead Guy/Cyclonus, Waspinator/Thrust. Often enough he has no real connection to Megatron at all. And he's appeared enough to fight "himself" or on his own Galvatron-specific terms that it pushes it over the edge to Needs Own Page, in my opinion. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

===Super Megatron===
http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/images~~othergallery~~concept~~generation~~manga-supermegatron.jpg.galleryimage254ba6a.php
I wish this immage wasn't watermarked. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 19:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
:Photoshop.
:Anyway, it's blurry t'wards the bottom... is this from Gneerations 2? -[[User:207.224.83.190|207.224.83.190]] 03:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

:::I have a perfectly good picture of Ultra Megatron. I just have nowhere to ''put'' it on his page. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 03:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

=== Category: Convention exclusives? ===

Was there really a Megatron toy that was a convention exclusive? This isn't mentioned in the sections for ''any'' of the toys. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 19:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:Yes. The original Megatron reissue was redecoed into the black Microchange colors as a BotCon Japan '01 exclusive. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::According to [http://mykooltoyz.tripod.com/blackmegatron.html this], Black Megatron was only available for preorder at BotCon 2000. He was released from eHobby the following year. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

::Uh... Not only was there no BotCon Japan 2001, there was no TF-released black Microchange Megatron. There WAS a "black" version gunmetal chrome and red interior bits (where the Microchange was solid black platics with blue interior bits), but it sure as hell wasn't a BCJ exclusive. Moderately sure that was e-hobby or maybe Toys Dream Project or some one-off. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Choro Q G2 Megatron? I dunno. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 00:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

:Hm. That's more merchandise than anything else, but it IS a convention-exclusive piece. Could go either way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Alternators Megatron ==

Wasn't there meant to be a Cadillac Alternators Megatron in the pipeline? Well it's almost certainly been cancelled now, but it still warrants a tiny mention on this page. IMO.

==Space pic==
Couldn't fit this pic in anywhere, and I replaced it with a toy pic anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

== Titanium Megs ==

''>The Titanium Megatron toy was inspired by Dreamwave's first G.I. Joe crossover set in World War II.

When was this established? Absent evidence ot the contrary, I assumed he belonged to Divided Front continuity. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Megatron: Origin ==

I'm looking at the issue, and I can't see if it's been confirmed yet that Soundwave's employer is Senator Ratbat. It's ''likely'', but seemingly not confirmed in this issue.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 21:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

:Let's say it's ''extreamly'' likely, as it's just about as strongly implied by the narrative (and by narrative convention) as possible without someone going "Psst, hey kid..." from behind the curtain. I mean we have a clearly manipulative, selfserving Ratbat talking to his off-panel underling who speaks in Soundwave-style about technological advances and about manipulating Megatron, and then later you have Soundwave showing up and "manipulating" Megatron while talking about the offpannel Master who sent him. Pretty definative case narratively speaking. If it's somehow improbably wrong we can change it later (and I'll eat this wiki). ;) --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, I agree that it's probably the case, just that since we're only citing issue 2 it's not quite covered.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 14:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

==Lines==
Steve-o removed all the "ugly lines" that were marking off various fictional super-sections for clarity. Sipher, I know you were working on a fix for this, which involved making the differences between the header sizes more obvious. Is this finished? Can we implement it please? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

:In re-examining the previous version of the page now that I know Walky liked the lines and thought they clarified things, I still believe they were ugly and didn't really help to make the sections more distinct. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

== Megatron/Majin Zarak ==

Explain to me again why we need to start up a big talkpage debate to overrule the fanboy ramblings of a single user?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 03:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:That depends, which fanboy user are you referring to? I count three involved at this point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::Ah, didn't see you'd joined in. Mostly saw PPrime going off on another of his rants.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 03:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

==Fusion cannon==

i've been looking around, and the original box art calls megatrons weapon a "particle beam" cannon. TFU copies the box bio except it calls it a fusion cannon. I know tfwiki calls it a fusion cannon, but where does that name come from? i cant find it, and am begining to wonder if its accurate 14:40, 2 July 2009 (EDT)[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 14:40, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:...[[Fusion cannon]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:44, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
––hmm i see thx [[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 14:50, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

==Japanese information==
Why's the page missing all the Japanese-exclusive info? Battlestars, etc. Did it get its own page somewhere? And if so, why isn't there a link to that here? Even the old Wikia page has that stuff. --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 04:12, 18 January 2010 (EST)
:Top of the page, "G1 cartoon". The page was starting to get too big, so the Japanese stuff, which is part of the cartoon continuity, was placed on a sub page. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:17, 18 January 2010 (EST)
::Thank you, that explains it; I searched the page for the word "Japan" and found nothing. --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 14:42, 18 January 2010 (EST)

==Just a note==
I don't have the resources yet, but the section on IDW comics is severely out of date; last new entry was on AHM #6. That should be updated by now. {{unsigned|Warpspeed Hellscream}}
:Well, it is AHM... I can hardly hold others responsible for lacking either the desire, or the thought, to go and fill out fiction sections related to it. Megatron especially... because nothing he does makes any sense, especially in the book's second half. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:59, 10 February 2010 (EST)

== Length ==

Am I the only one who thinks it's time to split off more stuff? Because, seriously, 101kb is massive. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:21, 19 November 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, time for Marvel to spin off. You want a real head hurt? [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] is almost 109kb. And his merchandise has already been split. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:36, 19 November 2010 (EST)
::I think IDW could stand to be split off. It's 22,000+ characters (Marvel is 27,000+) and will constantly grow as long as IDW has the license. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:19, 19 November 2010 (EST)
:::Perhaps we could split off both? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:51, 20 November 2010 (EST)
::::Splitting both now would save us having to split one off later. I would support such a move. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:33, 20 November 2010 (EST)
:::::The summary that was left behind for IDW ''badly'' needs to be rewritten. I tried to do the best I could, but I'm sure I missed some or made a mistake somewhere. Please review this.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:05, 13 December 2012 (EST)

== Calvin Johnson note ==

He got the nickname back in 2007. I'm betting he is named after movie Megatron. Move that note to there? His Decepticon hat appears to be the movieverse insignia, for what it's worth.

Speaking of which, Nike had a [http://www.nikeblog.com/2012/11/22/nike-calvin-johnson-megatron-collection/ limited line of officially licensed Calvin Johnson Transformer gear]. The [[insignia]] page needs an update! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:13, 23 February 2013 (EST)

== Notes on Megatron's gun mode reversed ==

http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Megatron_(G1)&diff=1234380&oldid=1233525

I had expanded on an already-present section of this page regarding why Megatron would use a gun as his alternate mode. It's a question as old as "Where does Prime's trailer go?" and without trying to toot my horn I do think my edit added to the article overall. Perhaps the text I inserted could've been truncated some but ultimately I provided three answers from various sources that most fans have probably never come across. I'm not a well-established user here but I don't think the reversed edit by Saix helped the article. I think the reversion fails to benefit the article and the readers.
:I reverted it because it went into pointless minutiae that was overwhelming the notes section. (A coloring book? Really?) The unneeded images didn't help. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:10, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::I have a different perspective and will agree to disagree. I don't think the additions were pointless as already explained above. And being snarky doesn't really address that, all do respect; neither does using "really" as a rhetorical punchline. It's an official and thus canon product only half as ridiculous to source as some of the things you'll find referenced on here. I'll take your point that each bullet probably didn't need an image accompanying it, though at least the DK Ultimate scan should stay. The coloring book is easily accessed through links on its own page here, but the Ultimate Guide has interesting content casual fans won't happen upon. But keep at least one of the three. We can agree to disagree but my position still stands that fans can learn something interesting about the character's motivations and functionality by leaving and/or truncating the bullets I added. --[[User:Iustitia|Iustitia]] ([[User talk:Iustitia|talk]]) 16:10, 9 January 2018 (EST)

Predaking (G1)

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{{picsneeded|Toys and maybe a few more fiction pics}}
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:''Predaking is a [[Decepticon]] [[combiner]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:Predakingg1.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Sucks to be Defensor and Superion... and every Autobot combiner ever.]]
'''Predaking''' is the ferocious fusion of all five of the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]: [[Divebomb (G1)|Divebomb]], [[Headstrong (G1)|Headstrong]], [[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]], [[Tantrum (G1)|Tantrum]], and team leader [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]]. Predaking is highly unusual, perhaps even unique, among [[combiner]]s by the successful fusion of each of his component elements' physical abilities and personalities. Most others of his kind are rendered [[Devastator (G1)|stupid]], [[Bruticus (G1)|suggestible]], or borderline [[Menasor (G1)|insane]] by the merging of minds, but the five Predacons are united by their shared love of the hunt, and produce a single complete persona. Between his physical prowess, unexpected mental acuity, and animalistic, almost instinct-fast hunting actions, Predaking is one of the most dangerous and intimidating weapons ever added to the Decepticon ranks. [[Victor Caroli|As a weapon he is without equal; as a warrior he is without restraint. He can lift five hundred tons without straining a circuit]]. When Predaking is on your trail, all hope is lost.

Unless your name is [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]].

Sometimes his name is '''Predicus'''.

{{bigquote|Predaking has the power! He needs nothing more!|Predaking has the power to survive|"[[Nightmare Planet]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Bud Davis]] (English), [[Minoru Inaba]] (Japanese)|[[Yuan Guoqing]] (Chinese), [[Edgar Fruitier]] (French (Canada)), [[Reinhard Brock]] (German, ''Five Faces of Darkness''), [[Gernot Duda]] (German, ''Chaos''), [[Bernd Simon]] (German, ''Nightmare Planet''), [[Ulf Jürgen Söhmisch]] (German, ''The Quintesson Journal''), [[Holger Schwiers]] (German, ''Call of the Primitives'')}}
[[File:FFOD5 Predaking.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Never argue with a guy with horns on his knees.]]
Predaking first saw action during the short-lived Decepticon-[[Quintesson]] alliance in the year 2005. The Predacons attempted to prevent [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]], the human [[Marissa Faireborn]] and the magnificent [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] from escaping Jupiter's moon of [[Io]] with [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s [[transformation cog]]. When the individual Predacons failed, they merged into Predaking, but were quickly defeated by Sky Lynx. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

Soon afterward, the Decepticons took over the slave mining planet of [[Dread (planet)|Dread]], forcing [[Dread slaves|the hapless prisoners]] to mine the super-hard [[death crystal]]s in a scheme by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to destroy Cybertron with a [[Death crystal cannon|giant death crystal firing cannon]]. When several slaves were frightened out of the mine by the monster [[Chaos (alien)|Chaos]], Predaking swooped down to recapture the escapees. Later, during an Autobot attack that saw Sky Lynx buried under tons of rock, Predaking separated Blurr, [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], Wheelie and [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] from [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] by blocking off the mine entrace with his laser [[sword]]. He continued to force the Autobots back to Sky Lynx (who had managed to escape the landslide) while shrugging off their laser fire. Meanwhile, Kup lured Chaos out of the volcano, causing another landslide that this time buried Predaking under tons of rock. {{storylink|Chaos (episode)|Chaos}}

[[File:NightmarePlanet Predaking.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
During an assassination attempt on the Autobots, the Predacons formed Predaking right before the Quintessons unleashed a nightmare effect on the Transformers. They were all confronted with solidified dream images taken from the mind of [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]]. Predaking was quickly overpowered by the creatures and, after he split up, a dragon kidnapped Razorclaw to a distant castle, leaving the Predacons unable to combine again. After the dream-inducer was destroyed and the Predacons were reunited, Razorclaw was ready to resume the battle with the Autobots and ordered the transformation into Predaking. Unfortunately, Headstrong's leg had been injured fighting a giant dream Galvatron, and he was unable to join into their combined form. Without the might of Predaking, the Predacons chose to flee. {{storylink|Nightmare Planet}}

[[File:Predaking primatives.jpg|left|thumb|Schrödinger's Cel: Simultaneously well-drawn and poorly-drawn.]]
Predaking was patrolling space when he picked up on a Quintesson transmission. Tracing it to a jungle-like planet, he split into his component parts to locate the source of the signal more easily. Once Sky Lynx and the Autobots beat the Predacons to the transmitting journal canister, they reformed as Predaking to renew their vendetta against Sky Lynx. Galvatron and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] soon joined Predaking, but his interest in revenge on Sky Lynx outmatched their interest in the journal, and Galvatron had to remind Predaking repeatedly and forcefully to keep his mind(s) on the mission. {{storylink|The Quintesson Journal}} Later on, Predaking fought alongside Galvatron and the Decepticons in Europe, but soon vanished before the whole "[[Ultimate Weapon]]" scheme was finished. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

On [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|moon]], Predaking fought alongside the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]] combiner [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] until they, along with the other "primitive" animal-based Transformers, were called away by [[Oracle (G1)|Primacron's assistant]]. They were led to an ancient world, in the hopes their primitive instincts would defeat [[Primacron]]'s latest creation, the energy-draining [[Tornedron]]. After the defeated [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'s corpse seemingly crushed Grimlock, the primitives split up and ran for their lives. The Predacons continued to run until Headstrong declared he would rather stand and fight than die running. Concurring, his fellow Predacons merged with him to form Predaking, but were quickly put into stasis lock by Tornedron. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

As part of a series of Decepticon attacks on [[Japan]], Predaking and [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] pursued [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] in the Sea of Japan. He was later part of the strike force led by the Matrix-possessed [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}}

After the [[Hate Plague]] spread throughout the galaxy, Predaking was seen hunting down Galvatron with Scourge and Cyclonus. How robots infected with homicidal madness could work together as a hunting party, much less share a combined form, is anybody's guess. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Transformers 2010'' story pages=====
The Predacons were built through cooperation between the Decepticons and the [[Quintesson]]s. Though they worked for the Decepticons, they were commanded by the Quintessons. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (story page)|Part 3 and Part 4}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers'' manga=====
[[File:SRLTManga5 Predaking.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
During an attack on the planet [[Feminia]], Predaking took out a distracted [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]], only to suffer an embarrassing defeat at the hands of the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibots]]. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 5|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #5}}
{{--}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
[[File:MysteryPlanetMaster Hot Rod stops Predaking combination.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]
[[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] stopped the Predacons from merging into Predaking once by ramming Razorclaw in the gut before the combination was complete. (That's what they get for transforming without a [[stock footage]] sequence.) {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} The next time he was seen, Predaking helped [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] try to steal the [[Sol 1]] satellite. He was defeated by [[Raiden]] and the Headmasters. {{storylink|The Shadow Emperor, Scorponok}} Predaking was defeated by Raiden and the Headmasters again when he confronted them over an erupting volcano in [[Peru]]. {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} And yet ''again'' by the Headmasters alone on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]]. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger}}

[[File:HM14 Headmasters vs Predaking.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
Predaking joined the Decepticons on their space mission to gather energy from throughout the universe. He battled Raiden on the [[Twin Star]] planets. {{storylink|Battle for Defense of the False Planet}} Predaking later struggled with [[Computron (G1)|Computron]] on [[Paradise]]. (A warrior without equal struggling with a slow-to-act uber-nerd. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.) {{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}

Back on Earth, Predaking and [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] fought Raiden on the Kamchatka Peninsula, but politely stopped fighting when the battle between <s>the more expensive toys</s> Fortress Maximus and MegaZarak took center stage. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}}

Predaking and Bruticus sank the ocean liner ''[[Queen World]]''. Predaking later protected a [[Death Tower]] in [[Santiago]], [[Chile]] against the Throttlebots. Then the Autobot Targetmasters arrived and [[Pointblank]] downed him with ONE SHOT. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} The combiner took part in a final great battle against the Autobots at the North Pole, however his rematch with Raiden was interrupted when Scorponok threw Fortress Maximus at them. After the Autobots used their [[Head Formation]] to end the Decepticon plan, Predaking and the other Decepticons fled Earth. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}
{{--}}

=====''The Headmasters'' manga=====
During the Decepticons' second attempt to overtake planet [[Beast (planet)|Beast]], Predaking joined [[Alligatron]] and a unit of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]] in attacking a squad of Autobot [[Beastformer]]s. [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] and [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] managed to save the Beastformers, though they allowed themselves to be captured in the process. {{storylink|Great Decisive Battle of Planet Beast!}}

=====''Super-God Masterforce'' manga=====
Predaking appeared to make a triumphant comeback with a squadron of other legendary Decepticons, attacking the Autobot [[Godmaster (lifeform)|Godmaster]]s on Earth. However, "Predaking" was revealed to have been nothing more than an illusion created by [[King Poseidon]], who was subsequently defeated. {{storylink|Burn, Super Soul! The New Commander Super Ginrai!}}

=====''Zone'' manga and story pages=====
[[File:PredakingZone1.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Look out, he's dressed as Bootsy Collins!]]

Years later, after several more Decepticon leaders had come and gone, the faction came under the rulership of the supernatural entity [[Violen Jiger]], who assembled a team of [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] from Decepticon history. Predaking was enlisted as his "Beast General" and outfitted with new armor and weaponry to make him even more powerful than before, and sent forth to conquer planets in pursuit of Violen Jiger's goal of creating a [[Decepticon Zone]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}}

One the first worlds to fall to their wrath was Predaking's old stomping ground, planet Feminia, which the generals destroyed utterly. One month later, following the generals' theft of the new power source [[Energon Z]] from the Autobot base on [[Micro|planet Zone]], Predaking, [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], [[King Poseidon]] and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] launched an assault on the Earth in order to obtain the [[Zodiac]], the mystical final component in Violen Jiger's plan which lay hidden on the planet. Predaking attacked Japan, centering on [[Mount Fuji]], and was soon joined there by the other generals, where they came under attack from the Autobot [[Micromaster]]s. The tiny 'bots were no match for the giant generals, but the fight was then taken up by the Autobot [[Powered Master]]s [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] and [[Sonic Bomber]]. In the course of the battle, the Zodiac was unearthed from its subterranean hiding spot, and everyone began grappling over it. Unfortunately for the generals, when Trypticon tried blasting the Autobots with an Energon Z beam, it reacted with the Zodiac and granted the Powered Masters new "Zone Mode" alternate forms, the power of which allowed them to soundly defeat the generals and drive them off. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (manga)|Transformers: Zone}}

Later, Predaking, a self-professed master of aerial combat, challenged the Powered Masters to battle. Dai Atlas and [[Sonic Bomber]] combined into [[Sky Powered]] and beat him swiftly and soundly. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 6}} Later still, he and the other generals later schooled [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] and the [[Metrosquad]] in the ways of evil, making them more than formidable foes for the Powered Masters. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}
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=====''Zone'' cartoon=====
{{voiceactor|[[Yukimasa Kishino]] (Japanese)}}

{{note|The ''Zone'' cartoon tells a slightly different, expanded version of Predaking and the other generals' battle with the Powered Masters, which had a particularly different outcome for Predaking.}}
[[File:PredaBrain1.jpg|upright=1.15|thumb|Now that's what I call a splitting headache!]]
Arriving in Japan at the base of Mount Fuji, Predaking almost crushed local boy [[Akira Serikawa]], but the human was snatched to safety by the Autobot Micromaster [[Whisper (Zone)|Whisper]]. Predaking then came under fire from the Micromaster forces who arrived in the [[Galaxy Rocket]], and was soon joined in battling the little Autobots by Tryticon. Together, they almost destroyed the Galaxy Rocket, until the timely arrival of Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber. Predaking proceeded to engage Dai Atlas, but the Autobot soon broke off their fight when Devastator arrived on the scene and made a play for the Zodiac's hiding place underground. Through Devastator and King Poseidon's combined efforts, the Zodiac was discovered; King Poseidon attempted to toss it to his comrades, but Predaking and Trypticon wound up crashing into one another in their eagerness to grab the Zodiac, allowing Dai Atlas to seize it. Predaking could only watch as the Autobots used the "Zone Mode" forms the Zodiac granted them to destroy King Poseidon and Trypticon; attempting to flee, he was thwarted in his efforts by Dai Atlas, who sliced him into two from head to crotch. Predaking's vaguely organic-looking brain was momentarily exposed before he died, his bisected halves exploding impressively. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}
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=====Ask Vector Prime=====
Predaking had an organic brain?! Did Violen Jiger use [[GoBot]] tech to rebuild him?! News of this had freaked out [[Vector Prime]] and caused him to run to the [[Chronarchitect]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/02}}

===Toy pack-in material===
Predaking participated in a tumultuous battle on a moon base. As he descended upon the battlefield, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]], and [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] stood united against him. {{storylink|Decipher the Decepticon}}

===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
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[[File:Predaking optimus prime prey.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
''Predaking's first outing on [[Earth]] was in the course of a hunt by the Predacons against the [[Autobot]] leader [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]. Prime having foiled the Predacons' initial attacks individually, they merged into Predaking and resumed the chase. Essentially Predaking's role in that hunt concluded once he had flushed Prime out into the open and worn him down, thus rendering him vulnerable to the attack of [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]. The Predacons returned over the [[space bridge|Space Bridge]] to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].'' {{storylink|Prey!}}

[[File:Predaking gone but not forgotten.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Predaking's ''next'' foray on Earth was part of a scheme by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] to destabilise Megatron's sanity to such an extent that the way would be clear for Shockwave to take command. Shockwave supplied fake [[Insignia|Autobrands]] to the Predacons (and thus Predaking by extension) and the Predacons ambushed Megatron in the swamps of Florida. ''Megatron did not recall who the Predacons were thanks to a bout of amnesia connected to his earlier involvement with them.'' The Predacons had similar difficulties subduing Megatron in their individual forms and merged to become Predaking. Predaking fared little better against Megatron and was rendered unconscious by a blast from the deranged Decepticon's [[fusion cannon]]. {{storylink|Gone but Not Forgotten!}}

''Divebomb found life on Earth so dull he contemplated buggering off back to Cybertron, but knew he couldn't because it would leave the other Predacons unable to form Predaking. {{storylink|Grudge Match!}}''
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
Eons ago, the Predacons were banished from Cybertron to [[Beast (planet)|Beest]], where their higher functions degraded, rendering them feral. Megatron, who had been overthrown by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (well, thrown out of a shuttle), tracked down the Predacons, then modified them to become combiners, creating Predaking. {{storylink|Welcome to the Jungle}}

[[File:Predaking Combaticons screwed.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Starscream thanks Primus he had the sense to finish his will this morning.]]
Starscream and his [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] were in training (with Sky Lynx of all people as a target) when Predaking suddenly arose from the sea, seeking to capture the treacherous Decepticon [[Air Commander]]. The Combaticons quickly formed into (the much-less intelligent) [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] and counter-attacked by destroying Predaking's shoulder-mounted guns. Forced back, Predaking quickly put down his opponent by firing one of his foot cannons at Bruticus' head, blasting off part of his face.

When Starscream fled, lamenting Bruticus' latest defeat, Predaking attempted to follow until Bruticus crushed one of his wings and threw him onto the island. Damaged, but not defeated, Predaking easily dodged the slow-witted Combaticon combiner's rifle blast, then erected a defensive energy field around himself to deflect the follow-up shot. As Bruticus pondered a possible rifle malfunction, Predaking punched his rival in the face with a spiked knuckle, then impaled the crippled Bruticus upon Headstrong's horn, finally deactivating the Combaticons.

This was the first time he won a fight. And it was against a fellow [[Decepticon]]. Oh well, better than nothing. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}
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===''The Beast Within''===
As the Dinobots unleashed the [[Beast (G1)|Beast]] on the Decepticons, the Predacons attempted to form Predaking as a counter to this awesome force. The Beast barely broke its stride, destroying Predaking utterly, to the absolute shock of the assembled Decepticons. {{storylink|The Beast Within}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:ArtOfWar2 Predaking vs Piranacon.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Someone hasn't read the rest of this page.]]
The Predacons and [[Seacon (G1)|Seacons]] got into a territorial argument after Megatron's death, which led to a face off between Predaking and [[Piranacon (G1)|Piranacon]]. Predaking emerged the victor but was stopped by [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] before he could finish the aquatic combiner off. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 2|The Art of War #2}} After Serpent O.R. recruited the Predacons into his new Decepticon army, he was tracked down by a group of Autobots and [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joes]], but Predaking protected his new leader by stomping [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] unconscious. The Decepticons then organized an attack on an Autobot peace ceremony, during which Predaking, Piranacon and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] took out [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 3|The Art of War #3}} He then spent the remainder of the battle hunting down civilians. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 4|The Art of War #4}}
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===''Mini Mayhem!''===
When [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] unleashed Predaking, boasting that the gestal's combined animal strength was unparalleled, an ensemble of Battle Beasts stood united to prove him wrong. {{storylink|Mini Mayhem!}}

===''Kre-O'' online manga===
[[File:Kre-O JP comic 08 - Predaking.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.2|Then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on Cybertron. And then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the scrap out of every single one!]]

Predaking was defeated by his lack of cuteness! {{storylink|Behemoth Combination! But They're Cute? The Predacon Unit}} He later teamed up with [[Devastator (Kre-O)|Devastator]] and [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] to fight [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], who defeated the trio by rolling into their legs. {{storylink|Kre-O Micro-Changers Combiners comic}}
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===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===
Predaking was put under the command of a younger soldier in the Decepticon army by the tail-end of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. After Optimus Prime and Galvatron both met their ends on the battlefield, the leader of Predaking's squad took the name "[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]]" and sought to take advantage of the Autobot army's state of disarray. To this end, he unleashed Predaking upon a [[Tigatron|peace negotiator]] who visited his camp, and then set out to attack the Primal Council himself. Predaking slew many enemy units before being confronted by the Tripredacus Council and their allies. To further their own goals, these 'bots combined into [[Predacus]], beat down Predaking, and skewered him with his own sword, killing him. {{storylink|Dawn of the Predacus}}

===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
Predaking was among the Decepticons forces nestled safely behind [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'s force field when the combined forces of the Autobots and [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] came to stop them from absorbing the [[sun]]. {{storylink|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 12|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #12}}

===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[File:TheIronKlaw-Predaking.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2]]
The Predacons had attempted to combine in the past, but Predaking was not born until they were brainwashed into serving [[Iron Klaw]] by [[Garrison Kreiger]], who used his advanced technology to perfect the combiner process. He was deployed to defend Iron Klaw's castle in [[Kalistan]] from [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], [[Action Man]] and [[Ayana Jones|Mayday]], who could do little but just stay alive until [[Snake-Eyes]] destroyed Kreiger's [[Talisman (G1)|Talisman]] emulator inside the castle, ending his mind control of the Predacons and causing Predaking to split apart. Razorclaw's death soon afterwards made it impossible for Predaking to return. {{storylink|The Iron Klaw}}

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===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
{{voiceactor|[[Nuufolau Joel Seanoa]] (English)}}
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes}}}}
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==Commercial appearances==
*The Predacons came to the aid of a trio of [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] who found themselves unable to handle the Dinobots. After rushing into battle, the Predacons combined into Predaking, and fought the Dinobots from the air. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Predacons|Predacons commercial}}
*Predaking found [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] walking alone through a field, and came swooping down from the skies to attack them. He was thwarted by [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], who blasted him back before unleashing his flame-breath onto Predaking. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Sky Lynx|Sky Lynx commercial}}
*During a massive battle between Kreons, Predaking's components assembled themselves into his gestalt form. He and [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] then proceeded to send the Autobots fleeing for their tiny lives. {{storylink|Commercial#Kre-O|KRE-O Transformers Micro Changers and Combiners Construction Sets commercial}}

==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
[[File:TheTransformersPS2 Predaking.jpg|thumb|right|250px|So... he has two goals then?]]
:''Voice actor:''

Right when the Jewel of Mystery was within sight of the Autobots, Predaking roared (which sounded more like a moan), stating that the Autobots would not have the Jewel. Dropping in front of them, Predaking stated his mission: "Destroy...Autobots! Keep...Jewel! My...Only...Goal!" Rodimus Prime recognized the hulking combination of the Predacons and warned the Autobots that he was tough. Predaking fought the Autobots, but despite being aided by a mass of Decepticon foot soldiers, the Predacon gestalt was defeated. Deciding to go back to base, Predaking turned around and flew away. Once Rodimus was sure Predaking was out of hearing range, he expressed gratitude for the fact that Predaking was an idiot. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}
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===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:Earth Wars Predaking.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb| Fear my HIGH HEELS!!!!! And my sword! ]]
Predaking is the fearsome combination of the likemindedness of all the Predacons along with some developmental technology in the form of the Quintesson Hive mind. Seeing as they revel in the hunt, Megatron was impressed with Predaking's singlemindedness.

The Predacons were deployed once the Dinobots came to find the Enigma Of Combination. Using Bombshell's Cerebro-shells on an unknowing Jetfire, the Predacons led the Dinobots into a trap. Knowing they were so close, the dinobots broke role and started to attack!

Optimus, hearing the news, sent Superion to handle the situation, while likewise, Megatron sent Bruticus as back up for the Predacons. Both Superion and Bruticus battled until Volcanicus and Predaking emerged.
{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}

Predaking can be formed once all 3 to 4 star Predacons have been collected. You can even sub in 5 star bots, if they are available.

*'''Class''' - Combiner
*'''Weapons''': Predaking jumps on to his opponents, stomps on defenses, and deals massive damage with his giant sword. He can also has a built in Flamethrower, and can send a beam into the air that will come back down as meteors that deal high damage.
*'''Abilities''':
**'''Infernum Blade''' - Jump and strike with the Infernum Blade! Deals Heavy damage to the target and anything directly behind it.
**'''Fire And Brimstone''' - Set a wide area on fire dealing as average of 2,280 damage over 8 seconds.
**'''Extinction''' - A shower of meteors bombards a very large area dealing an average damage over 10 seconds. Quadruple damage to walls.
*'''Cooldown''': 15 seconds to 20 seconds.

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:G1 Predaking toy.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|It's your own fault if you ignored this when it was reissued, you know.]]
*'''Predaking''' (1986/2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-78'''
**''Accessories:'' X-ray laser cannon, [[sonic sword]], 2 fists, 2 foot stands, head

:''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'' Predaking is, by far, the largest of the traditional central component-leader-type combiner toys. He is formed by combining all five Predacons together. Unlike the [[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]-style toys such as [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] or [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]], Predaking's arms and legs are not interchangeable, but can switch sides allowing the construction of a more [[show-accuracy|show-accurate]] toy. Razorclaw's [[sonic sword]] and [[beast mode]] cannon serve as Predaking's primary weapons, with Tantrum and Headstrong's back-mounted cannons as his feet.

:Like Defensor and Bruticus, Predaking's components were released in both plastic and metal versions. In his combined mode featuring each member in [[die-cast]] form, Predaking is rather heavy for a Transformer. A complete combiner weighs in at exactly 1 kilogram (2.2lbs). This however does not upset the balance of the toy, as Headstrong and Tantrum have the bulk of the die-cast. Japan only received the plastic versions during the original run of the ''Generation 1'' toyline.

:Hasbro only released the individual Predacons, but a [[giftset]] was available in Japan. In late 2004, Predaking was reissued to much rejoicing of people who could not afford the after market prices on a vintage piece. This reissue used metal parts, and the pieces that were originally soft plastic were now hard plastic.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Predaking/predaking.htm More information on Predaking at TFU.info]''

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*'''Predaking''' (2010/2017)
**''Accessories:'' Razorclaw's sword and cannon, 2 fists, 2 feet, head

:Released on [[November 27]], 2010 as part of [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''Celebration 2010'' line, Predaking featured significant differences from the previous releases. His yellow plastic was replaced with gold plastic, most of which was painted over gold. The orange, red, black, and gray plastic was replaced with metallic fleck equivalents. Nearly every [[sticker]] has been redesigned from the original, and an optional label sheet to be applied to the robot, beast, and combined mode eyes has been included. Like the previous reissue, this version featured die-cast parts.

:Many of the individual figures featured changes to their face paint in either overall color or application.

:This figure comes with 3 points towards the 2010 Sound Station Redemption campaign, they can be found hidden in the upper right corner front flap of the packaging.

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===Kre-O===
{{anchor|MicroChangersCombiner}}
[[File:Kre-O-Micro-Changers-Combiner-G1-Predaking.jpg|right|300px|thumb|And from that day forward, anytime a bunch of animals are together in one place, it's called a ZOO! <br> <br> Unless it's a farm!]]
*'''Predaking''' (Micro-Changer Combiner, 2013)
**''Set number'': '''A2227'''
**''Pieces'': '''79'''

:One of the first [[Kreon]] [[Micro-Changer]] combiner sets. The four component Kreons, [[Razorclaw (G1)#Kre-O|Razorclaw]], [[Headstrong (G1)#Kre-O|Torox]], [[Tantrum (G1)#Kre-O|Headlock]], and [[Divebomb (G1)#Kre-O|Divebomb]], can be rebuilt into their alternate modes. They can also be rebuilt into Predaking by taking them apart and combining their pieces.

:Like the entire Micro Changer combiner sets, Predaking comes with only one ''Kre-O'' display brick, and a sticker sheet composed of his leg detailing and a ''Kre-O'' logo. Due to the leg stickers being slightly transparent, applying them into the black-colored leg parts can render the details being semi-transparent. The instructions also did not mention on where you should put the ''Kre-O'' logo sticker. Also, Predaking's combined mode's waist part is somehow prone to falling off from the assembly while posing, and he has a problem standing straight due to how the legs are constructed.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/Kre-OPredaking/predaking.htm More information on Predaking at TFU.info]''

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===Platinum Edition===
[[File:Platinum-Edition-Predaking.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Predaking''' (2013)
**'''10 OF 30'''
**''Accessories:'' Predaking's sword, Razorclaw's sword and cannon, 2 fists, 2 feet, head

:''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' Predaking is similar to the 2010 release, complete with die-cast metal parts. New to this release is a gold [[redeco]] of the [[Star Saber (Prima)#Beast Hunters|Star Saber]] of ''[[Beast Hunters (toyline)|Beast Hunters]]'' [[Optimus Prime (WFC)#Beast Hunters|Voyager Class Optimus Prime]]. In addition to several pre-applied stickers, five sheets of labels from the 2010 release are also included. Finally, he has a designated number as part of the ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' line.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/PlatinumPredaking/predaking.htm More information on ''Platinum Edition'' Predaking at TFU.info]''
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===Generations===
*'''Predaking''' (Titan, 2018)
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==Merchandise==
===Forms Robo===
*'''Predaking''' (1987)
:Predaking was also among the ten characters who were rendered as part of the ''[[Forms Robo]]'' line of oversized ''keshigomu'' figures. He came individually packaged in a plastic baggie, and was available in red, yellow, green, or blue. Of the various ''Forms Robo'' figures, Predaking is easily the hardest to find, rarely appearing on the secondary market.
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===Titanium Series===
[[File:Titanium Predaking.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Squattie]]
*'''Predaking''' (3" Robot Masters, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand, sword

:As part of the ''Titanium'' series 3" line, Predaking is constructed of mostly [[die-cast]] metal and plastic parts, but cannot transform and has very limited articulation. His sculpt and colour scheme is based upon the original G1 toy, but has Rampage and Divebomb occupying each other's positions, like the cartoon and comic model.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/TitPredaking/predaking.htm More information on ''Titanium Series'' Predaking at TFU.info]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[File:Robotheroesricochetpredaking.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|As if Predaking could get any cuter. Valiant effort, though.]]
*'''Ricochet vs Predaking''' (2-pack, 2009)

:''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' Predaking is a small, [[super deformed]] and absolutely adorable figurine with articulated shoulders. He was only available in a two-pack with [[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Ricochet]].

:The United States release of this two-pack has been cancelled, but it has been found in other markets such as Singapore, Australia, the United Kingdom, and Germany.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/RHPredaking/predaking.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Predaking at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[File:1986protopredacons.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|You'd cover that face, too.]]
*Razorclaw's head was originally designed to transform into Predaking's. This was dropped for unknown reasons.
*Predaking was designed by toy and anime mechanical designer [[Akitaka Mika]],<ref>[http://www.ex.org/ex/3.4/09-feature_akitaka2.html Interview with Akitaka Mika]</ref> and was the only one of his proposed designs to actually be produced as a toy. This possibly explains why the Predacons do not conform to the then-contemporary [[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]-style of combining.
*A Predaking [[Action Master]] was planned at one point, but apparently went no further than a concept sketch. It was intended to be the included rider of a transforming dirt bike.<ref>''[[Transformers Generations|Transformers Generations Deluxe]]'', p111</ref> While Predaking was scrapped, the bike was refined and included with the Action Master [[Axer (G1)#Generation 1|Axer]].
*Incidentally, the aforementioned concept art was found in an [http://www.worlds-worst.com/worldsworst/wwnp_article.php?69 Arby's parking lot] after the end of [[BotCon 2000]], where it had presumably come unstowed.
*''Kre-O'' Predaking was originally announced as "Predicus" at [[San Diego Comic-Con]]. The name was corrected for the toy release, but remains "Predicus" on the Micro Changers Combiners bio-poster available on the Kre-O website.
*''Kre-O'' [[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]], who misses out being part of the gestalt, instead comes separately in a blind-packed bag.
*A proposed but unrealized [[Fun Publications]] [[BotCon]] [[exclusive]] was a redeco of [[Tigerhawk]] into a non-combiner ''Beast Wars''-style Predaking.<ref>[http://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc14/bc14br.html BotCon 2014 attendee report]</ref>
*Predaking in ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars]]'' takes many cues from the G1 animation model, but also the "[[IP infringing item|third-party]]" Mastermind Creations version of Predaking.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Predaking''' (プレダキング ''Puredakingu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Chōng Yúnxiāo''' (冲云霄, "Rush to the sky")
*''Russian:'' '''Vreditel'''' (Вредитель, "Wrecker")

==References==
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[[Category:Combined forms]]
[[Category:Dreamwave Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Predacons]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
[[Category:Kre-O Decepticons]]
[[Category:Platinum Edition]]
[[Category:Power of the Primes]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:Super-God Masterforce Decepticons]]
[[Category:The Headmasters Decepticons]]
[[Category:Titanium Series]]
[[Category:Zone Decepticons]]

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{{disambig2|the Generation 1 Decepticon|the ''Animated'' Autobot with a similarly-spelled name|Rattletrap}}
:''Battletrap is a [[Decepticon]] [[Duocon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:Battletrapboxart.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|The Cybertronian equivalent of a Wuzzle.]]
Of the two [[Duocon]]s, '''Battletrap''' is the sane one. In contrast to [[Flywheels]], whose two components are constantly bickering, Battletrap uses the two separate vehicles of his [[alternate mode]] in concert with each other. He likes to play with his target in the way a housecat might play with a rodent...that is, if said housecat happened to have a separate avian part of itself that could fly like a hummingbird.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
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Battletrap was a part of [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]]'s army of Decepticons on Cybertron. Upon learning the co-ordinates of the planet [[Nebulos]] from [[Zarak (G1)|Lord Zarak]], requesting the Decepticons help in ridding the [[Autobot]]s from his world, Scorponok ordered his army to lay siege to the alien planet. Battletrap was seen in his helicopter mode as part of a battalion carrying Decepticons from their spacecraft to the surface of Nebulos, where he remained out of sight, away from the main events. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}} Later, every Decepticon on the planet left Nebulos in pursuit of the Autobots to planet Earth. {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}

[[File:Uk202timewarsMayhems.JPG|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Battletrap isn't too proud to play dead when necessary.]]
[[File:Crankcase battletrap quake the void.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|"It takes a while to get all the dents out after being thrown against a wall, OK?"]]
''Some time later, Battletrap left Scorponok and returned to Cybertron for unknown reasons. On the bridge to [[Tyrest (polity)|Tyrest]], Battletrap and his [[Duocon]] partner [[Flywheels]] in their aerial modes along with other Decepticons engaged in a brief battle against [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and the [[Sparkabot]]s while on a regular patrol. The Duocons managed to avoid the Sparkabots fire and were able to knock them out in an explosion, incurring the wrath of Ultra Magnus. Battletrap was out of Ultra Magnus' reach but Flywheels was not so fortunate. Paranoid of the rumors of "the walking dead" in [[Kalis]], Battletrap abandoned Flywheels to the Autobots rather than daring to cross into that [[Polities of Cybertron|city-state]].'' {{storylink|City of Fear!}} ''Battletrap was later a member of the original [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] and took part in their joint mission with the [[Wrecker]]s to destroy [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] in the [[Time Wars]]. He was one of the first warriors to fall during the battle, his chest torn open by Galvatron before being smashed against a wall.'' {{storylink|Time Wars}}

''Despite his apparent "death",'' Battletrap appeared with the gathered Autobots and Decepticons on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to hear the words of [[Primus]] through [[Emirate]] [[Xaaron]] immediately before the arrival of [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|The Void! (US)|The Void!}} Despite the heavy casualties suffered by both sides, he survived the subsequent battle and also narrowly escaped death at the hands of subterranean [[Demon|Cybertronian monsters]] shortly after, though his buddy [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]] wasn't so lucky. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}}

When Cybertron began shaking itself apart, Battletrap escaped the planet with the rest of the Decepticons under [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s command. Leaving their Autobot "allies" stranded, they went on to conquer the planet [[Klo]], massacring its [[Klozian|fleshy, pink-skinned inhabitants]]. {{storylink|The Last Autobot?}} When the Autobots finally caught up with them, the Decepticons mostly massacred them too, with only a few survivors escaping into the swamps. However their moment of victory was interrupted by the arrival of the [[Neo-Knights]], a newly resurrected [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Last Autobot]]. Battletrap joined the other Decepticons in dogpiling Prime but was caught off guard by the arrival of the other Autobot survivors and was run over by [[Prowl (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Prowl]]. Nevertheless, he survived the battle and retreated along with the other Decepticons when Bludgeon realised the day was lost. {{storylink|End of the Road! (US)|End of the Road!}}
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=====Another Time & Place=====
Battletrap was part of the raid on [[Hydrus Four]] by Bludgeon and his army. After the Autobots arrived, he allegedly was about to shoot [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] in the back, but was shot down instead by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Another Time & Place}}

{{note|The text piece described Sunstreaker as being menaced by "Battletrap in tank mode". Battletrap doesn't HAVE a tank mode. Maybe this is another clue that Battletrap and Flywheels' names were mixed up early on, but more likely it was supposed to be [[Quake (G1)|Quake]], another prominent member of Bludgeon's Decepticons.}}

====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
In the first battle between the two generations of Decepticons, Battletrap was badly wounded and had to be carried back to safety inside of the [[Warworld]]. {{storylink|New Dawn}}

====''Classics''====
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Battletrap continued his service with Bludgeon's forces on into the 21st century. He was summoned by [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]] to help with a waste disposal job after [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Grrr]] was branded a traitor and eliminated fighting [[Piranacon (G1)|Piranacon]]. {{storylink|At Fight's End}}

====''Regeneration One''====
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[[File:Neo-decepticons counterpoint.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|I've never been to Kalis before. Sounds like a nice place, I think.]]
Twenty-one years after the defeat at Klo, Battletrap joined up with [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]]'s "Neo-Decepticon" insurgency at [[Fort Scyk]] in [[Polyhex]] and participated in a raid on the Kalis [[Baird Beaming Transmitter]], allowing Soundwave to take control of one of Cybertron's orbital defence satellites and destroy the [[Last Autobot]]. {{storylink|Counterpoint}} Later, he attacked one of Cybertron's communications facilities alongside [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]], [[Ruckus (G1)|Ruckus]] and [[Windsweeper]] to blind the Autobots to [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s approach. {{storylink|Destiny, Part Two}}
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===''The Headmasters'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Hirohiko Kakegawa]] (Japan), [[Rik Thomas]] (English, [[Omni Productions]] dub)}}
[[File:FinalShowdown2 Battletrap stomp.JPG|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Battletrap shows ''everyone'' his foot fungus.]]
Battletrap and Flywheels were under the command of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], who first sent them into battle when the Autobots and Decepticons were fighting over a [[Floppy disk|disk]] containing data on the [[Master Sword]]. After overwhelming the Autobot [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]s and playing a quick game of "catch", Battletrap got his hands on the disk and delivered it to Scorponok. {{storylink|The Master Sword Is in Danger!!}} Scorponok used the data to create the [[Zarak Shield]], and when a group of Autobots came to investigate, the two Duocons joined the Decepticon Targetmasters in stopping them. {{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}} The Decepticons were later led into a trap on the planet [[Master (planet)|Master]], and Battletrap was caught up in the ensuing battle. He shot down the air fighter [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]]'s friend [[Kirk]] was piloting. {{storylink|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}}

By order of Scorponok, the two Duocons later planted a bomb on [[Juno]], one powerful enough to destroy the entire asteroid. {{storylink|Duel on the Asteroid}} Battletrap and Flywheels participated in the final battle against the Autobots in the [[Arctic]]. Battletrap got the drop on [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] and [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] and was about to stomp them to death when he was interrupted by the rogue [[Sixshot]] and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]. When it looked like Scorponok's plan to destroy the [[Earth]] was going to be successful, the Duocons fled into space to watch the results from afar. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Duocons from MtMtE -8.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"It is only logical that there will be no side-effects from this whatsoever."]]
Battletrap and Flywheels were created by Shockwave as early prototypes for his [[Triple Changer]] fascination. Instead of achieving three alternating modes, however, they gained the ability to separate into two different alternate modes at once. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye#Issue #8|MTMTE #8}}
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====''TransTech''====
When he was diagnosed with [[Machanimus Disjunctus]], Battletrap was upgraded into a Triple Changer to save his life. {{storylink|#Timelines|BotCon 2015 Battletrap bio card}} He managed to get himself stranded on [[Axiom Nexus]], and wound up with the number four spot on the "Cybertron's most wanted" list. His crimes were so numerous that he had trouble remembering them all. {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}} In a [[public service announcement]] for the [[Axiom Nexus Security Administration|OZSA]], [[Axiom Nexus News]] reporter [[Rook (TransTech)|Rook]] questioned why Battletrap was number four on the list as none of the crimes on his long record (petty theft, graffiti, etc.) included specifically malicious ones. Rook further reported criminal profiler [[Torca (TransTech)|Torca]]'s (correct) analysis that Battletrap was a grunt for a boss and not a leader on his own. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/06/15}}

Battletrap found Axiom Nexus to be boring, but nonetheless found excitement in the Under City, where he fell in with fellow registries on the "most wanted list" [[Stepper (SG)|Stepper]], [[Nebulon (SG)|Nebulon]], and [[Megatron (Movie)#TransTech|C-81]]. Under C-81's leadership, the group planned to steal the parts for an inter-universal gate so as to run an off-the-books travel agency. On one of their raids, the group found themselves on the run from the OZSA, the chase leading them into [[Seeker-Shinai]], where the law caught up to them. They were locked up together in the Offworlder Maximum security prison, where Battletrap and his group met [[Oilmaster]] and [[Packrat]]. Thanks to these two new additions, the lot of them managed to escape prison and once more went on the run. On their way out, Battletrap fought his fair share of [[Blastcharge Strika Drone]]s.

[[File:BattletrapbattlesWaruders-CMW.jpg|thumb|right|upright=2.1|First we crack the shell, then we crack the bugs inside!]]
When Battletrap and the others finally made it outdoors, they found Axiom Nexus to be completely offline. Taking advantage of the cover of darkness, they headed for the city's underground tunnel network. There, they encountered [[Burn Out]], [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)|Lift-Ticket]], and [[Spy-Eye]], who all took off upon seeing them. Suspecting they might be off to report the prison escapees, Battletrap suggested they follow this new group while he restocked on weaponry from one of the crime group's stashes. Delving deeper underground, the group came the [[Waruder]]s. These new players proved considerably more hostile. Using his sword and gun, Battletrap discovered the Waruders' pilot/exo-suit nature. The group now knew how to dispatch the Waruders thanks to Battletrap, but they nonetheless found themselves overwhelmed by sheer numbers. Though they tried to run, Battletrap and the others eventually found themselves too battered to flee. It was at this time that both the strangers they had previously encountered and the law-enforcers [[Optimus Prime (G1)#General Optimus|General Optimus Prime]] and [[Hound (G1)#TransTech|Sergeant Hound]] met up with them. All three teams band together to fight against the Waruders. The Waruders eventually surrendered when C-81 offered them another Cybertron to feast upon instead of the local one. C-81's group built their inter-dimensional gate, and were allowed to go free in return for their part in thwarting the invasion.

Cybertron's most wanted were content with getting out of the adventure alive...all of them except Packrat, who still had felt compelled to pick-pocket one of the cops. Disgruntled by this last turn of events, Battletrap expressed interest in visiting one of the city's many pubs. {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}}

===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
When the war between the Autobots and the Decepticons ended, Battletrap appeared among the Decepticons who helped repopulate Cybertron with the Autobots and the [[NAIL]]s. After [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] returned from months in the wilds of Cybertron, Battletrap and the remaining Decepticons stood up to [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]] and the Autobot-led police as they tried to execute him. Rioting broke out in the streets as Battletrap and the Decepticons violently celebrated their leader's return. {{storylink|City on Fire}} Led by [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]], the rioting mob stormed the [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] prison and freed Megatron. {{storylink|The Verge}}

Later, Battletrap found himself living in the Decepticon ghetto outside [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. He attacked the interlopers [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]], along with the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] and other disgruntled Decepticons, but they were sent packing by the arrival of [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]] and [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]]. {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}}

==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
{{Note|Battletrap is a non-playable character. He appears among the legion of Decepticon duplicates in the Autobot campaign.}}
{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:G1Battletrap toy.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|His incredible articulation allows him to.. uh... headbutt his opponents into submission?]]
*'''Battletrap''' (Duocon, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''D-96'''
**''Accessories'': "Double-Barreled Assault Missile Launcher"
:As a Duocon, Battletrap is a single robot which splits into two separate vehicles. When separated, the robot transforms into a simplified gray [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#AH-64 Apache copter|AH-64 Apache helicopter]] and a blue Ford F-150 camper truck. In [[robot mode]], he has a gray double-barreled cannon that mounts on his shoulder. The gray dual cannon can also be mounted on top of the truck or beneath the cockpit of the helicopter.

:Please, [[Hasbro]], please make another toy of this guy.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Decepticon/Battletrap/battletrap.htm More information on Battletrap at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/g1-1987/battletrap/999/1/ Image gallery of Battletrap at Seibertron.com]''
::*''[http://botchthecrab.com/archive/instructions/decepticon/1987/instr_battletrap.jpg Instruction booklet for Battletrap at Botchthecrab.com]''
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===''Timelines''===
[[File:BotCon2015-Battletrap.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|[[BotCon 2015|"Cybertron's Most Wanted"]], indeed.]]
*'''Cybertron's Most Wanted''' ([[BotCon 2015]] box set)
**''Accessories'': Dual missile launcher, two missiles, rotor blades/sword

:Battletrap is a blue and gray [[retool]] of ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' [[Springer (G1)#Voyager|Springer]], a Triple Changer who transforms into both an armored car and a helicopter. His helicopter rotors detach to transform into a sword that is held by his hands via [[5mm post]], and can store underneath his car mode. He also comes with a dual missile launcher that fires its two missiles in succession via a two-step pressure launch. The launcher features a jointed 5mm handle to allow it to pivot, and can mount underneath the helicopter cockpit. He has two 5mm ports on his back, the sword hilt has an additional post, and the launcher has additional ports at the top and bottom. Battletrap also has a new head.

:The original version of this mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Cloud|Hot Rodimus]], and extensively retooled into 'Thrilling 30' [[Sandstorm (G1)#Voyager|Sandstorm]]. It also served as the basis of the non-toy ''Beast Wars: Uprising'' incarnations of [[Dinobot (BW)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Dynobot]] and [[Grimlock (G1)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Grimlock]].

:Battletrap was available exclusively in a five-figure box set, packaged with [[Packrat#Timelines|Packrat]], [[Stepper (SG)#Toys|''Shattered Glass'' Stepper]], [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Timelines|Megatron]], and [[Oilmaster#Timelines|Oilmaster]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Decepticon/BCBattletrap/battletrap.htm More information on ''Timelines'' Battletrap at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/botcon-exclusives/battletrap-the-muscle/3647/1/ Image gallery of ''Timelines'' Battletrap at Seibertron.com]''
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==Notes==
*It's often speculated that Battletrap and Flywheels' names were mistakenly swapped during production, as the rollers of tank treads are not generally thought of as wheels. Their names are even swapped in the ''Headmasters'' episode "[[The Master Sword Is in Danger!!]]".

===Stats===
*Vehicle mode 1-
**Top speed: 90 mph
**Range: 600 miles
**Weaponry: Assault missile launcher
***Double-barreled, wire-guided
***Infra-red imaging for night-firing capabilities
*Vehicle mode 2-
**Top speed: 780 mph
**Range: 1,200 miles
**Ability: Packed with electronic detection, jamming and communication equipment
*Robot mode-
**Ability: As a Duocon he can transform in 1.6 seconds
**Weaponry: Assault missile launcher
***Double-barreled, wire-guided
***Infra-red imaging for night-firing capabilities

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Battletrap''' (バトルトラップ ''Batorutorappu'')
*''French:'' '''Guétapens''' (Canada)

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