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War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)

2020-07-12T10:37:18Z

J'mie: Corrected toyline year

{{disambig3|War for Cybertron}}
[[File:War-for-Cybertron-Trilogy-logo.jpg|center|400px]]

The "'''War for Cybertron Trilogy'''" is [[Hasbro]]'s designation for a [[subline imprint|segment]] of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Transformers: Generations]]'' line that launched in late [[2018]]. Like the preceding ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy]]'', "War" is primarily based around the toy lines that make up the trilogy, and will be accompanied by a tie-in cartoon series and possibly tie-ins in [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]'s comic books.

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto;" border="0" align="center" id="toc"
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!align="center" bgcolor="#6699CC" colspan="12"|War for Cybertron Trilogy:
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|align="center" colspan="3"|''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)]]'' ([[2020]]–???)
|<div style="background-color:#999;width:5px;height:20px;margin:2px 10px;"></div>
|align="center" colspan="3"|''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)]]'' ([[2019]]–???)
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|align="center" colspan="2"|''[[War for Cybertron: Siege (franchise)|Siege]]'' ([[2019]]–[[2020]])
|<div style="background-color:#999;width:5px;height:20px;margin:2px 10px;"></div>
|align="center" colspan="2"|''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise (franchise)|Earthrise]]'' ([[2020]]–???)
|<div style="background-color:#999;width:5px;height:20px;margin:2px 10px;"></div>
|align="center" colspan="2"|''???'' (???–???)
|}

==Toys==
{{Main|War for Cybertron: Siege (toyline)}}
{{Main|War for Cybertron: Earthrise (toyline)}}
{{Main|War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)}}

The ''War for Cybertron'' toylines aims to serve as a back-to-basics approach to ''Transformers'', with a focus on [[show-accuracy|media accuracy]], [[articulation]], and a consistent robot mode [[scale]].

The first instalment of the trilogy, ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege (toyline)|Siege]]'', is set during the final days of the Transformers' civil war on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], reimagining classic characters to give them Cybertronian [[alternate mode]]s and battle damage deco. The second instalment, ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise (toyline)|Earthrise]]'', takes place during an interstitial period as the Autobots and Decepticons travel through space, seeing many gain Earthly vehicle modes, while also introducing space-faring characters such as the [[Quintesson]]s and [[Mercenary|Mercenaries]].

In keeping with instalments of the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy]]'', the ''War for Cybertron'' lines feature a unified, line-wide [[gimmick]]: weaponry. All figures are now compatible with the [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]], with Deluxe, Voyager, and Leader Class figures being littered in [[5 mm post]]s to facilitate being armed up with any combination of compatible weaponry. In keeping with this, the new [[Battle Master]] and [[Micromaster]] size classes form modular weapons, as did the introduction of [[Weaponizer]]s and [[A.I.R. Lock System|Modulator]]s, figures which could be disassembled into a variety of 5 mm compatible weapons and accessories.

==Cartoon==
{{main|Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)}}
A ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' animated series is currently in development. The series will be produced by [[Rooster Teeth]] and animated by [[Polygon Pictures]], and will focus on the origins of the war between the Autobots and Decepticons. [[F.J. DeSanto]] will act as the series showrunner, with [[George Krstic]], [[Gavin Hignight]], and [[Brandon M. Easton]] as writers. Three seasons of the show are planned for release via [[Netflix]], one for each of the franchise's three lines beginning with a first season of six 22-minute episodes based on ''Siege'' in [[2020]].

==Comics==
{{main|Transformers (2019 comic)}}
While not branded as part of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'', the [[IDW Publishing]] ongoing series ''[[Transformers (2019 comic)|Transformers]]'' makes extensive use of contemporary ''Siege'' toy designs wherever possible.

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NASA

2020-06-19T20:58:49Z

J'mie: Corrected NASA award link

[[File:NASA logo.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Hey, waitamin... That's not [[Gigantion]]!]]
The '''National Aeronautics and Space Administration''' ('''NASA''') is a government agency in the [[United States of America]], with the primary mission of space exploration. Their primary launch facility is Kennedy Space Center in [[Florida]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 continuity family===
====Marvel UK comic continuity====
[[Danny Phillips]]'s father died while testing an experimental rocket for NASA. {{storylink|Missing in Action}} NASA had a space monitoring facility near [[Mount St. Hilary]], which the [[Decepticon]]s took over so they could use its radio telescope to communicate with their forces on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], [[Prowl (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Prowl]], and [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] unsuccessfully tried to stop them. {{storylink|The Gift}} Like [[Wright-Patterson Air Force Base]], NASA's instruments completely failed to detect the meteor containing the [[Firebug (G1)|Firebug]] as it crashed on [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Firebug!}}

====Toy bios====
NASA developed a [[sentient metal]] which they entrusted to the [[Autobot]]s for safekeeping. It was used to construct [[Pepsi Convoy]]. {{storylink|Pepsi Convoy|Pepsi Convoy bio}}

====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
NASA launched the [[Voyager spacecraft|''Voyager'' probe]] containing a [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]], unaware that a secret message had been inscribed onto the disc by [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}}

===Panini ''Armada'' comic===
The [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Mini-Con Team]] broke into a NASA facility, intending to steal a human spacecraft so they could get off the planet, however the [[Extra-Terrestrial Response Division]] was waiting for them. The humans incapacitated the [[Mini-Con]] team and spirited them away to [[Area 54]]. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 5|'We Are Not Alone!'}}

===Live-action film series===
====''Transformers'' film====
Several decades later, NASA sent the [[Beagle 2 Rover]] to [[Mars (planet)|Mars]]. It transmitted for a few minutes before being stepped on by a Decepticon. The footage was classified by [[Sector Seven]]. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

====''Dark of the Moon'' film====
When the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' crashed on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] in [[1961]], [[John F. Kennedy]] tasked NASA with getting men up there. After years of work, the ''[[Apollo 11]]'' launched in [[1969]]. Astronauts [[Neil Armstrong]] and [[Buzz Aldrin]] successfully landed on the Moon and, during a period of communications blackout with NASA, entered the ''Ark''. Over the years, a number of other missions to the site were made, taking photos and retrieving samples. In the early 70s, [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] gained the help of [[Dylan Gould]]'s father in using creative accounting to shut down any further NASA missions.

After the arrival of the second wave of Autobots, NASA ended up looking after the ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]'' as well as the three [[Wrecker]]s. When the ''Ark'' crash came to light, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] met with Buzz Aldrin and a couple of NASA's founding associates to discuss the crash. Some time later, when the Autobots were ordered to vacate Earth, they attached the ''Xantium'' to the ''[[Discovery]]'' and launched it, only for the ship to be destroyed by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

====''The Last Knight'' film====
While operating deep space sensors, a [[JPL Engineer|JPL engineer]] at NASA's [[Jet Propulsion Laboratory]] detected a planet-size object entering the solar system. Travelling to NASA's headquarters in [[Washington, D.C.]], he briefed the President's staff about the object, stating that it was traveling at 1/10 light speed and would approach Earth in three days. The following day, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and Deep Space Network continued to track the incoming planet and confirmed that the planet was the exoplanet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. NASA and [[European Space Agency|ESA]] jointly operated the [[Hubble Space Telescope]] to take images of the Cybertron; the footage was later shown on a TV screen in the [[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom|British Prime Minister]]'s office at 10 Downing Street.

While Cybertron came closer to the Earth the next day, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and ESA gave a briefing about the planet's approach while it scraped the surface of the Moon. The Lunar Module Descent Stage and a U.S. flag from NASA's [[Apollo 11]] mission were destroyed by the planet's outer chunks, which also knocked away the wreckage of the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]''. Before hitting the Earth, Cybertron first approached and destroyed the [[International Space Station]], which was built and operated by NASA and four other space agencies, in a head-on collision.

The JPL team later assisted the United States military and the [[Autobot]]s in trying to find a way to shut down Cybertron's ignition chamber. Unfortunately, the same JPL engineer who discovered Cybertron's approach claimed that the US military's plan to break into the ignition chamber and steal the staff was a bad idea and said that he would rather rely on "physics rather than fair-tales" to save the planet. The JPL team determined that Cybertron was using Earth's core (aka [[Unicron]]) to rebuild itself. The same JPL engineer from before informed the [[Pentagon]] that if Earth's core continued to cool, Earth's magnetic field would be gone and that the planet's surface would be exposed to high levels of cosmic radiation, leading to the demise of all life.

When the US military's plan began failing due to heavy resistance from an army of [[Decepticon]]s and [[Infernocon]]s, the JPL came up with a Hail Mary-level plan to use tactical nukes to cause a fragment of Cybertron to swing down and hit the ignition chamber. The Pentagon agreed and requested tactical nuke authority. F-35 Lighting II and F-16 Fighting Falcon fighter jets associated with the [[United States Air Force]] opened fire and struck the selected chunk of Cybertron, which proceeded to knock off the ignition chamber. Unfortunately, the ignition chamber continued to operate, much to NASA's disappointment. Fortunately, [[Viviane Wembly]] was able to pull the [[Staff of Merlin|control staff]] free, shutting down the ignition chamber just before it crashed to the ground. The JPL staff cheered while the same engineer expressed relief. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

===''Prime'' cartoon===
[[William Fowler]] used his connections with NASA to obtain a state-of-the-art spacesuit for [[Jack Darby]] to use on a mission to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 2}}

==Toys==
===War for Cybertron: Earthrise===
[[File:TF-WFC-E-Commander-Sky-Lynx.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"I'm so fantastic, that they needed an official license just to get me right!"]]
*'''Sky Lynx''' (Commander Class, [[2020]])
:In a first for the Transformers brand, [[Sky Lynx (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Sky Lynx]] is one of two Earthrise space shuttle toys developed with an official license from NASA, and bears NASA logos in his deco. Also as part of that partnership, Sky Lynx was given a new fictitious Space Shuttle name, visible below the cargo bay door hinges. He is... the ''Magnificence''.
{{comingsoontoy}}

*'''Astro Squad''' (Multi-pack, 2020)
{{toystub}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

==Notes==
*A space agency appears in the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 cartoon)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]] episode "[[Attack from Outer Space]]", which ''might'' be NASA but is never explicitly identified as such.
*In the real-world continuity family, Beagle 2 was a [[European Space Agency]] mission and not a NASA one.
*NASA runs an annual [https://partnerships.gsfc.nasa.gov/opsparc/ Optimus Prime Spinoff Award] which America's school children can enter to showcase their inventions. [[Peter Cullen]] presents the award, just to make it that much more awesome.

==External links==
*{{w|NASA}} at Wikipedia
*[http://www.nasa.gov/ NASA's official site]

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[[Category:Dark of the Moon subgroups]]
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[[Category:Human organizations]]
[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Prime subgroups]]
[[Category:The Last Knight subgroups]]
[[Category:United States of America]]

Talk:Devastator Winds

2012-09-30T23:17:19Z

J'mie: Also in Exodus

The Devastator Winds also get a reference in Transformers: Exodus (near the end of Chapter 23) [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 19:17, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

Talk:The Autonomy Lesson (issue)

2012-05-06T18:29:58Z

J'mie: /* "No more nails" */ new section

==Promo Pics==
So, ''fourteen'' images this time. Found some.
* http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/comics-16/rid-1-hits-this-wednesday---skywarp-wants-vengance-174199/
* http://www.comicvine.com/forums/comic-book-preview/1988/exclusive-transformers-robots-in-disguise-promo/650819/
* http://www.allspark.com/content/view/9864/
* http://tformers.com/transformers-exclusive-tformers-transformers-robots-in/17046/news.html
* http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=271775#271775
* http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/exclusive-transformers-robots-in-disguise-promo-image-soundwave-remains-silent/23772/
[[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 20:26, 23 January 2012 (EST)
* http://www.fullmetalhero.com/content/attachments/19472d1327379369-transformers_rid_underbase.jpg/ [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 00:59, 24 January 2012 (EST)
* http://www.polarismagazine.co.uk/uploads/TRANSFORMERS_RID_PolarisMagazine.jpg [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 06:01, 24 January 2012 (EST)

== Sketch cover ==

Dan Khanna's put one of the sketch covers he did [http://dan-the-artguy.deviantart.com/art/Transformers-Robots-in-Disguise-1-sketch-cover-281133083 up on his DeviantArt here]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:14, 26 January 2012 (EST)
:Although we have to ask permission first before using. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 06:22, 26 January 2012 (EST)

== "No more nails" ==

On page 17, Bumblebee says, "Fine. No more nails." It ''could'' be a coincidence but this must surely be a humorous reference to the home improvement product "No More Nails" that is big in the UK (and maybe elsewhere?). Is worth noting? [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 14:29, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

Juan (hunter)

2011-11-06T16:24:54Z

J'mie: corrected disambig

{{disambig2|the hunter from Generation 1|the car thief from Generation 1|Juan (thief)}}
:''Juan is a [[human]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:King Con! hunting group.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]]
'''Juan''' is a hunter from [[New Jersey (Earth)|New Jersey]].

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
Juan and his fellow hunters [[Gus (hunter)|Gus]] and [[Morrie]] had spotted a [[Pretender|large creature]] in the New Jersey meadowlands, but when they reported this to the police, the cops didn't take any action whatsoever. So the three decided to enter the swamps themselves and kill or capture the creature before it would reach populated areas. Juan was most anxious to get the threat dealt with, but things went a little different when [[Lady|their dog]] found something: [[Iguanus (G1)|Iguanus]]. The hunters fired at the creature, but the bullets just bounced off. It only took a salvo from Iguanus's hurricane blaster more before they made a run for it.

Two days later, the three were guests at [[Cecilia Santiago]]'s show ''[[New York Talks]]'' to tell about the creature they had encountered. {{storylink|King Con!}}

[[Category:Comic-only characters]]
[[Category:Generation 1 humans]]

Talk:Seeker (body-type)

2010-08-28T18:08:17Z

J'mie: More Strike Planes

==Additional Pic==

Full catalog page scan.

[[Image:Seekers_ad.jpg|thumb]]
:Does anyone have the page that ran OPPOSITE this one? (It had a GoBots ad, IIRC.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
{{-}}

==Older Stuff==
In my opinion, both "Seeker" and "Skyraider" should be capitalized, since both are the formal names of subgroups. In fact, the article itself mentions that "Seeker" is capitalized in the JCPenney catalog, which is the only primary source for the term in which capitalization is even distincted (as opposed to the all-capitals use in TWW). -[[User:LV|LV]] 00:44, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. I got carried away with my de-capitalizing things thing. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:05, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Starscream-types in Armada are known as Seekers too, according to page 13 of the DK Reader 'The Awakening,' ISBN 0-78-94-9741-7

What about something about how the coneheads have radicly different character modles becuse they were desinged by Floro Deary, and not by the takara guys that did the Season 1 designs? --X-BoB

I wouldn't call the coneheads "radically" different, but, sure. I'll toss that in. Also, about the paragraph you inserted:

I'm not sure what "according to 3H" is supposed to mean. Are you referring to a statement that Glen or Tengu or somebody made, or do you just mean that the Seeker characters who appeared in 3H's comics happened to have the same design as BM Jetstorm and his drones?

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I remember Glen or Dan saying that Wreckers Skywarp's body is a common bodytype to the Beast Era, but 1) I'm not sure they said anything about it belonging to the remaining Seekers, 2) I'm not sure it has any relevance to the entry, and 3) the toy Jetstorm looks NOTHING like the show Jetstorm, so I have no idea how one would be based on the other. I'm removing it for now, with the additional note to whomever is consistently misspelling "based" to cut it out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:11, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

If the Jetstorm toy ''is'' the Beast Era Seeker body then that means that within fiction it came before the Aerodrones.[[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 19:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh cool, I didn't know that. I just assumed he' was one of the smaller-drones who was gonna be associated with the Vehicon General body Megatron made for Cyclonus. (That is right, right?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Didn't Cryotek make Cyclonus' body? -XBob
:IIRC, Cyclonus' bio says that he was a botched plan of Megatron's to make him one of his Generals, but his boxart depicts Cryotek. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:29, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure I agree with the bits about Seeker "going back to being a fan-term" when DW folded. Especially since it is followed by a remark that it HAS been used officially since.
Once something IS an official term, it can't return to being a fan term. Official is official and "Seeker" is now such.

could they be clones
:Dreamwave's Summer Special explicitly referenced "Air Warrior Clones" who were generic Seekers. So ''some'' Seekers are clones. It's unclear whether they ''all'' are, though it's strongly implied in MTMTE #8 that at least some redeco characters are clones. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 21:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
::Yes. Sunstorm and ricochet are both clones... in Dreamwave continuity. In non-Dreamwave continuities they're NOT clones. (We even got an explicit origin for one of the TDU incarnations of Sunstorm that mentioned his powers coming from a manufacturing error.) Dreamwave was clone-happy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually, I was referring to the Summer Special story, where Megatron goes to Beest to find the Predacons and takes a bunch of purple Seekers with him. The title page for that story lists them as "Air Warrior Clones." (Either that, or I'm losing my mind.) --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 21:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Right, that's the Air Cavalry set- the 3 purple PVC's we got as botcon exclusives. But AFAIK, they're supposed to represent 3 survivors (or at least zombie-like salvages) from the hordes of seeker clones in The Age of Wrath. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:28, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==Strike Planes==
I remembered Seekers being called 'Strike Planes' in catalogues when they first came out in the UK, and finally found something that backs up my memory - see http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/content.php?/transformers-image/toysheets/g1/uksheet01/1.jpg/image.html . Is this worth a mention in the article?

:Interesting! I'll stick it in the article. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

::I've just found some old clipping of several 1985 UK store catalogues from 1985 that call the Seeker toys 'Strike Planes' so presumably this was in the Hasbro marketing blurb. Would these be of use or is there enough evidence already? [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 14:08, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

==Move==
I do think that this should be moved to an article title with SOME form of parenthetical disambiguation. Since there IS another "Seeker" that is a separate concept that DOES have a PD. I'm not wild about "group", but lacking a better term... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:I dunno, I think this would be the primary term people would think about when you give the term "Seeker". The minicon is definitely less well known, so I think it could just be noted at the top of this page "for the minicon named Seeker, please see..." --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
::Except that's inconsistent with everything else that requires a disambig on this wiki. Most people think of G1 Prime when you say "Optimus Prime", but he still has the (G1) tag. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think that G1 Prime is comparable, as many other Optimus Primes have plenty of history and backstory. Energon Seeker is a easily forgotten toy that I think should actually be at the bottom of the main Seeker page, as it doesn't have a lot of info on its own. That being said, if the G1 seekers need disambiguation, how about "Seeker (subgroup)" --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree this should sit in a Disambig (and because there are only two of them, let [[Seeker]] direct to this one.) But the Seekers aren't a 'group,' they're a classification. I'd say "Seeker (jets)", but the mini-con ''is'' a jet already. "Seeker (type)"? It looks kinda weird, but it's... really clear. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:The page should be moved to be consistent with our revised disambig rules, and plain old "Seeker" should redirect to it. Picking a parenthetical for the page is not trivial, though. The Seekers aren't really an official subgroup (unless they've been declared that recently in some random ad copy someplace) so we shouldn't use that (and I'm going to take that category away). "Group" and "type" are a little vague, but, something clear like "common body type" is too awkward. As soon as somebody as a good idea, I'll be happy to move the article and update all the links with my bot. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
::"classification"? "body-type"?
::Also... "''Energon Seeker is a easily forgotten toy that I think should actually be at the bottom of the main Seeker page, as it doesn't have a lot of info on its own.''"... that is a profoundly bad idea. Joe-Stalker isn't on the Predator-Stalker page, and all three Flashes are separated. He's not ''a'' Seeker. He's not even a Decepticon. And as an individual character, no matter how little he does, he should get his own page. Stuffing him on a page ''completely unrelated'' to him makes no sense whatsoever, and would make the categories the page appears in REALLY screwed up. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

== Animated ==

Would it be appropriate now to start a section on the Animated Seekers, or do we have to wait for "Fistful of Energon"?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:We're probably going to wait until they are actually CALLED Seekers. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::Well, we at least know that there are going to be characters along the same concept. Even if they don't end up being called Seeker's, I think it would be correct to add that a similar group exists in Animated.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 21:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
'''''SPOILERS, GODDAMMIT.''''' --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::...err, no. The actual episodes which introduce the Seekers may have yet to air, but that Starscream clones/twins will appear in the series was announced a while ago. Besides, we have a "Spoilers" tag anyway.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

==Movieverse Seekers==
In [[The Reign of Starscream issue 2]], Starscream refers to himself as having "Seeker attributes" on page 7, and refers to Thundercracker as a Seeker on page 20. Although the synopsis has yet to be written for the comic, since it has been released, should this info be added to this page? Just wanted to make sure, since there's been such a freak-out over spoilers lately. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 00:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
: [[Defiance issue 4]] also uses the term Seekers to describe the folks sent to blah blah blah way way back at the dawn of time. Seems to include Jetfire. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:57, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

== Questions about the toy section: ==

Are we only counting molds that were redecoed into multiple characters during a franchise or are we including molds that have been in multiple toylines as different characters? For example: the Armada Thrust mold was released as Universe Sunstorm, but this is nowhere mentioned on the page. Also, Cybertron Thundercracker was redecoed as Movie Divebomb.

Movie Dreadwing and Overcast share a mold, but neither is a name that was previously identified as a "Seeker"; do they belong here or not? They are a "family" of jet-mode Decepticons, after all. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Adding on another question: What about the 3" Titanium Starscream and Thundercracker? They DEFINITELY should be here, but I'm not sure if they would go under Toys or Merchandise. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:12, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== A second '84-era use of "Seeker" ==
<nowiki>http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/tf84/84_k25nov_zayre.jpg</nowiki> Courtesy crazysteve, here's a November 1984 Zayre circular listing "Decepticon Seekers" for $11.99 a pop. This definitely supports the theory that "Seeker" was used at some early stage, and if the JC Penney catalog and a fairly large regional department store chain both used the term in their advertising, it makes sense that other retailers did too; it's just a matter of finding the evidence. (crazysteve, being crazy, finds these by spending hours in a public library on microfiche readers. i do not have the time for that sort of thing.) [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:47, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
:I can't seem to get the darn thing to load.... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:31, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::I added a question mark to the end of the URL and well... an image loaded alright, but it wasn't a Zayre circular listing. It appears to be a three-way Beast Wars sex act. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:28, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I can see it, but then I've got an anti-''anti-''hotlink filter. Copy and paste the link. *tells MediaWiki not to render text as a clickable link* - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:08, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Is that 2 YELLOW Cliffjumpers in that picture? Or is the robot mode one actually Bumper? Either way it's an interesting use of non standard toys in the ad.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:21, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::[http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf84.html This should work]. Text is reproduced on the page, which should help to find it easily.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:28, 1 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Interesting. Perhaps Seeker was an assortment name? It's the only reason I can think of that different stores would use the same uncommon and specialized terminology. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 22:57, 1 December 2009 (EST)

== (G1)? ==
Why has this been moved to Seeker (G1) when it contains non-G1 stuff? Is the article going to be split? Is that really necessary? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:19, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
:I agree that the choice of parenthetical doesn't make sense, and came here to the same point as you on that - but the plot of ROTF involves "Seekers" that have no connection to Starscream & co, so it needs '''a''' parenthetical.
:But (G1) isn't it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:49, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
::"(G1)" is correct by the standards. It is the first franchise appearance. See [[Sideways (RID)]] and [[Cryotek (RID)]] - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:21, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Sideways and Cryotek are the exact same character in the multiple continuities, so it makes sense to label them with the first continuity they showed up in.
:::However, this is just a similar concept in multiple continuities. The Movie Seekers may have a similar ''concept'' to G1 Seekers, but the Movie Seekers as a ''specific group'' showed up first in the Movies, not G1.
:::But I guess the operative question is, do we have any other non-character multiple-continuity-spanning articles with parentheticals to study as a precedent? Energon (G1) got moved to Energon (fuel), and that's the only one I know of right off the top of my head. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:36, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::The ROTF "Seekers" have a very specific ''function'' which is unrelated to body types. Not the same thing as Starscream/Thundercracker/Skywarp/etc at all.
::::And a concept should have a parenthetical after the concept, even if it's something basic like "Seeker (jets)". Not after a franchise. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:47, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::You say it should, but I fail to see why the system that works for characters doesn't work here. The Movie and ROTF Seekers are to be split out because they are not the same thing as the G1 Seekers at all. Ditto for Shattered Glass Seekers. That leaves almost completely G1 material, with one Armada reference. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:57, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::The modern use of Movie seekers (the elite unit including Starscream and Thundercracker) could probably stay here. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:01, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Well, that's not going to be the MAIN use of "Seeker" in the Movie continuity family, but it's a valid use and should probably stay on this page if it's referring to "Starscream clones".
:::::::And that's the main use of this page, to refer to reuses of the Starscream [[body-type]] in various continuities and continuity families. Given that this page includes at least four continuity families (G1, UT, Animated and Movie), I fail to see how [[Seeker (body-type)]] would be less vague and open to confusion, since it explicitly ties in to an existing article. Especially since it very clearly disambiguates from the ROTF use of "Seeker".
:::::::I certainly don't believe that disambiguating by franchise always works for characters as well as Interrobang alleges, especially for franchise-jumpers like Sideways (whose whole claim to be an "RID" character is based on a case the article admits is "not airtight" involving an obscure Wal-Mart-exclusive toy with the same name and some Japanese-exclusive publicity material - hell, on that score, given the Japanese Car Robots retcons, it should probably be Sideways (G1)...) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:39, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

"Seeker (body-type)" seems a bit vague, since there are multiple body-types. How about "Seeker (classification)"? That sorta straddles a border between body class and function, which seem to be how Seekers are used. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:45, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:Movie Seekers could be a "body-type" that can cross interstellar space. They could also be a "classification." How about "Seeker (J.C. Penny wishbook)"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:20, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

== Merge or delete ==
Is it really necessary to have separate articles for [[Seeker (SG)]], [[Seeker (Movie)]], and [[Seeker (ROTF)]] in addition to the coverage given those uses of the term here? Two of the three are only stubs, and even the ROTF article is fairly short. It would seem that either the relevant material should be removed from this article or those articles should be deleted. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:33, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:The answer is in the discussion right above you. Namely, it was decided that this and the other Seeker types are all completely different concepts rather than minor variations on the same concept. The amount of info available has no relevance on the question. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:38, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::Addendum: Plus that reminds me that the SG Seeker page really should be on my list of SG articles to update. *adds* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:42, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Then why retain so much about the Unicron Trilogy and Movieverse seekers on this page? If they are separate enough to warrant their own articles, they are separate enough NOT to be in this article. The disambiguation link would be enough.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:01, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

== Propose renaming this article to Seeker (G1) ==

Given that there are now articles for [Seeker (SG)], [Seeker (Movie)], and [Seeker (ROTF)] as well as [Starscream clone] and a section on "hunter-seeker skyships" at [Ferak]; I propose that this page be renamed (and slightly redone) as Seeker (G1). Much information here would remain as is. However; sections 3 (Unicron trilogy), 4 (Live-action movie), 5 (Shattered Glass) and some parts of section 8 (toys, specifically 8.3, 8.10, 8.11) would be transferred to the appropriate pages. This would necessitate the creation of 1 new page: Seeker (Unicron trilogy). Toy section 8.7 would be modified to mention that the Legends of Cybertron mold was used for [Ramjet (G1)] despite being used primarily for characters from other franchises. Toy section 8.6 is somewhat unclear as to whether the characters mentioned are all G1, all other franchises, or a mixture of the two. The note in the first paragraph (and also the Decepticons in later franchises such as Armada where similar "families" of jets appear) would be changed to a simple statement that the G1 group inspired similar groups in later franchises, with the disambiguation page serving to lead readers to these other pages. Much of the information is already in place on the other pages, this process would simply insure that nothing was lost. The disambiguation page already seems to effectively treat this page as Seeker (G1). Changing the name would serve to clarify the distinctions between the similar groups. Also, this would prevent "drift" as data relevant to other lines would be placed on those pages entirely and not haphazardly here or there or both randomly. Opinions? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:03, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:NO.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:06, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::Haven't we already covered this twice on this very page? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:31, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:::THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM I GUESS. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:41, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::::It just seems strange that this page contains information on similar groups from multiple continuities including some with their own pages already. It seemed to me that that was what disambiguation pages were for. I had made this proposal because I felt that Jeysie had misunderstood my previous one. That happens to me fairly often. If no one else seems confused, I will not press further. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:56, 23 August 2009 (EDT)

That said, shouldn't [[Seeker (Movie)]] (not to be confused with the ROTF Seekers) be merged into here, while the stuff about the SG Seekers should be removed from this page entirely? A touch of cleanup couldn't hurt. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:12, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:For consistency, I think you're right. Khajidha has a valid point, that right now the situation between all the various "Seeker" pages is confused. In fact, between this page's description of the Movie Seekers and the [[Seeker (Movie)]] description, I can't tell if that "Seeker" is really a body-type designation or just indicating membership of a team. Does anyone have that issue of the comic and can give us some hard quotes?
:But while I'm basically in agreement with you in terms of status-quo maintenance, I'm not sure what the ideal content and title of this page ought to be. For one thing, I'm leaning towards the "(G1)" side because this article only talks about other franchises ''in relation to G1.'' The "Unicron Trilogy" section openly ''brushes aside'' that universe's definition of "Seeker" just to talk about how the toy designers made some G1 homages. The SG stuff, as you say, has no place here. And the Movie Seekers, while officially Seekers in the traditional way, don't really add anything of substance to the concept. They seem to be just another parroting of the G1 idea, albeit with more in-fiction backup than their UT equivalent.
:So, if it's correct to say that this article is essentially G1-focused, then the question arises of what non-G1 stuff actually belongs here. I'm.... not ready to say [[Seeker (Movie)]] really doesn't deserve its own page. I think it depends on how much meat can be found in that comic issue. My instinct is to prune the hell out of the non-G1 content until it's just a few sentences and a bunch of "See this other article for more info" notes. But that's more an idle thought than an actual proposal.
:Overall, I agree with those above who have said that "(body type)" is an awkward, possibly-inaccurate parenthetical. But it's an awkward article, and I feel like streamlining it will help settle the titling question.
:- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:54, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

==The 'Lady in Purple'==
What or who is it? I've never heard of a possibly female Seeker in g1--[[Special:Contributions/91.113.121.205|91.113.121.205]] 19:10, 4 March 2010 (EST)
:There wasn't any female Seekers in G1. The "Lady in Purple" was apparently from some fan fiction. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:19, 4 March 2010 (EST)
:There's a vaguely female-looking seeker in one shot of MTMTE part 3, which fanon has retconned into being female. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:30, 4 March 2010 (EST)
::I know which "character" it is, but that's only because I accidentally found that information on another site long ago. Perhaps someone more in the know could write a short article for the character/add the remaining information to this article? Because as it is now, I find the mention of something that's supposedly "infamous" yet seemingly surprisingly obscure confusing. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:42, 5 March 2010 (EST)
:::There is no "character" for an article to be written for. We don't have articles for single generics who don't do anything but fill out group shots. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:18, 5 March 2010 (EST)
::::She's a "Raksha-creation", right? A trivia note on Raksha's page to link to would be all needed. That, or the info on LiP should be outright deleted since it's only confusing like this. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 12:33, 5 March 2010 (EST)

=="Origin of term "Seeker""==
I don't think it's that odd that the JC Penny catalogs could've started the trend among a whole legion of Transfans. I remember those catologs being in heavy rotation. You were mailed them quite often. I also remember the "seeker" term from far back even before the internet. I definitely picked it up before then so it was probably from the book [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 13:58, 27 April 2010 (EDT)
::Also, those of us not rich enough to afford the toys often held on to the catalog pages for long periods of time. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:05, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

==The Section on G1 Seekers==
I notice that the G1 section is essentially a list of the different categories (Coneheads, Skyraiders etc), whereas the sections on other continuities go into what being a seeker actually is. AHM and then the Ongoing (esp. Issue 4) gave us a more detailed look at the meaning of this term (in the IDW G1 continuity anyway), with why they all look the same, what their purpose is among the Decepticon army and other various intricacies explored. Should we have a section on this? It seems quite pertinent and I feel that the G1 seeker section is lacking in information (it seems like more of a list if I'm being honest). --[[User:SharkyMcShark|SharkyMcShark]] 01:10, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

I've added a section under the G1 seekers heading for the IDW comics continuity. --[[User:SharkyMcShark|SharkyMcShark]] 23:53, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

Talk:The Transformers (European toyline)

2010-08-28T18:03:44Z

J'mie: UK release in 1984

When were the classic green-and-purple Constructicons (in original packaging) released in the UK? I believe it was around 1990-91, but don't know for certain. There were also some Minibots that showed up around this time, again in original packaging: Bumblebee, Seaspray, Beachcomber and possibly others. These might just have been rediscovered stock from 1985/6, but the Constructicons were only available in the UK at this time so they must have been a release of some kind.--[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 14:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
:Those might have been the imported Mexican toys that plagued Europe in 1989.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::The US Constructicons DID come out in the UK at that time with a host of other G1 toys with the Chinese stickers in the corner. Constructicons, Combaticons, Protectobots and several (possibly all) Minibots were being sold alongside the G1/G1.5 stuff in 1991-93 in original G1 packaging at major stores like Woolworths. There may have been other figures too but I didn't see them. --[[User:Specimen-17|Specimen-17]] 13:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Started making this page something other than "Toys We Never Got In The USA". Will try to keep details about language variations as short as possible.

I consider a toy "confirmed" released in a specific version when I have seen it in packaging, or at least the corresponding instructions. Exceptions are combiner teams where I haven't seen all members (Hasbro didn't start making a habit out of releasing incomplete combiner teams until Energon), or Italian Astrotrain, where Blitzwing being named "Triplex Due" makes it pretty reasonable that Triplex Uno (Astrotrain) also existed.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 23:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to remember next time I go to my parents' house but I'm pretty damn sure my Skystalker came in Italian packaging, which if nothing else, has the I-names for some of the other MM bases. (Countdown's was... Uranius, I think. One of 'em was definitely Uranius.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC), got it sealed for $40 at BC... '01, maybe?

A few things. There was no Gen1 Classics version of Slag? I remember getting all four land Dinobots (poor Swoop) as Classics -- of course my memory isn't evidence... and he might have only seen the light of day in Australia, anyway. Secondly -- Windmill? In what way does he resemble Ultra Magnus? And where does the rumour about Turbo Master come from? Seems like bollocks and speculation based on the design drawings in Generations: Deluxe, to me. --Jhiaxus.

Between this article and the one on Euro Classics, I'm really starting to wonder if someone at Hasbro thought that Australia was in Europe... --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 03:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

==Scandinavia==
Anyone want to take a stab at adding some info about the Scandinavian countries to this article?--[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 23:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Japanese mini-franchises ==

I've mocked up a central page for the Japanese mini-franchises at [[User: Khajidha/sandbox]]. It would serve as a main page to place in the franchise nav-box. I'd like to hear any input. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:16, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

== Commercials as proof? ==

In my efforts to construct the page for [[Commercial/International|international commercials]], I listed several ads that could be considered proof that certain toys had European releases. After all, why produce and release a commercial for toys you aren't selling? The ads in question would be the [http://www.ina.fr/pub/culture-et-loisirs/video/PUB3784153101/hasbro-transformers-action-masters-jouet-vehicule-figurine-combat.fr.html French ad for Action Master Vehicles] and the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQwnSrnGxOc German ad for Action Master Optimus Prime]. Since they appear to include brand new footage for Optimus Prime and Megatron, I think we could safely add those as confirmed releases. Not so sure about the other Action Master vehicles though. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 13:10, 2 August 2010 (EDT)

== UK release ==

The initial release of Transformers here in the UK was in 1984. Argos were selling Optimus Prime, Autobot cars and Decepticon 'strike planes' (Seekers) in their autumn/winter 1984 catalogue (I got Optimus Prime and Sideswipe for Christmas in 1984) and Decepticon cassettes were available in WHSmith (I got them up just after Christmas in December 1984). [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 14:03, 28 August 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers in 3-D issue 2

2010-04-04T14:19:36Z

J'mie: Scorponok

==Spam Filter Too Aggressive?==
It appears to be impossible to edit [[The Test (issue)|The Test (Blackthorne issue)]] (or its talk page!), because the word "test" triggers the spam filter. Is there a workaround? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

:I was able to categorize it just now, so, it must have been a temporary problem. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

==Scorponok spelling==
'Scorponok is spelled "Scorponok" on page 20.' I'm guessing this should say something else. [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 10:19, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

Initiative

2010-03-31T21:48:37Z

J'mie: corrected spelling

:''The Initiative is a [[human]] organization from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Nefarious 1 Initiative Holograms.jpg|thumb|right|400px|Hal Jordan's boardroom construct was less than intimidating]]
The '''Initiative''' is a shadowy organization. They have a military arm with access to effective anti-Cybertronian weaponry. Their purpose and endgame remains a mystery.

==Members/associates==
[[Carter]] - An older male. He has the call sign "Initiative-1" so he's probably important.
{{-}}
==Fiction==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
{{spoiler|Nefarious issue 1|April 16,2010}}
The Initiative sent troops to [[Kingdom Petrochemicals]] after their monitoring equipment managed to trace five [[Autobot]] [[spark]]s converging on that location. Upon arrival the troops were involved in a battle between the Autobots and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]'s animalistic [[Decepticon]]s. The Initiative troops then withdrew, unable to capture a Cybertronian to power up their "infant"—the [[AllSpark (Movie)|AllSpark]] cube. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 1}}

[[Category: Initiative| ]]

Talk:Energon (disambiguation)

2010-03-23T20:25:50Z

J'mie: Energon Cube and Energon figures

I'm nominating this page, along with [[Matrix]] as something to look at when developing our 3rd generation Disambig template. A linear list is not a good way to present this information. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:51, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I can think of two more Energon things that should be here: Energon Cube is what the Allspark is called in the first Movie novel adaptation; Energon figures from Motorvators/Overlord in the late-G1 UK toyline. [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 16:25, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes

2010-02-23T21:50:59Z

J'mie: H-Tank

... You know, if it's going to be "popular" alternate modes, it should be a form that at least, you know, more than two people share. I say three seperate characters (if not three different MOLDS) is the bare minimum. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Me, I'd say five to six characters, with preferably a minimum of three or four different "molds" (since some of these bodies/characters may end up as fiction-only). Rampant redecoing is kinda cheating. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:: I think we also have to be kind of tough on what counts. For cars, it should be same make and model. For critters, though, I'm gonna have to go with same general species. "Scorpions" seems acceptable to me, but "birds" doesn't. You'd have to do something more like "falcons" or "eagles" for it to seem alright. I dunno why. Also, what do we do with Fuzors? I'm kind of loath to include the Sharkticons and Seacons and shit, but, say, Overbite's bio identifies him as a "shark," while Snapdragon's just calls him a "reptile." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 22:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::: For invertebrates, I don't know HasTak have ever made multiple distinct species, so the way we count scorpions and crabs is fine. Spiders might be the exception there. The vertebrate section, however, is a MESS. We have a "wolves" section that excludes the domestic subspecies of Canis lupus, and then an entire order of mammals lumped together as "bats". Vertebrates should probably be broken down by species, although that makes a mess of bears. Breaking it down by genus, though, would lump together the lions, tigers, and jaguars... which is just wrong. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 23:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::::This just seems to be the way humans think about other animals--there's a strong pro-mammal bias. Every child can identify mammal species on sight ("wolf," "lion," "tiger," "gorilla"), but more distantly related animals are usually known only at the order or even subclass level ("parrot", "shark"). Their kind all look alike. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Aaron Archer doesn't care about black-winged Macaws (or whatever). [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Indeed Thy, I was thinking just that as I wrote it. It's what we're stuck with though, since HasTak really DID make the crabs and scorpions to all look alike. The ones we need to clean up are "bats" and "sharks"... -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Also, aside from K-9, have there BEEN any other TF non-wolf-canines? That hyena guy, I guess. I think the other issue is that "lions" is gonna have twelve guys, tops. "Big cats" is more like 40 guys. If we're going to do this at ALL, we should err on the side of making it manageable, and if that means dividing mammals more than dividing invertebrates, then I'm all for it. (also, seriously, we need a "two headed monster" category.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Hoop, hyenas are Feliforms. ''Canis'' is just wolves (including the domestic dog and dingo), the coyote, and jackals. :) -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:I think this page is a useful reference whenever three or more characters from multiple molds share a vehicle mode. In the case of rampant redecoing, that mold's section on each character's toy page covers the body-sharing, so we should delete things like the Volkswagen Beetle. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 03:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::We are getting a section on Tigers, right? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind seeing this article changed from "popular" to "shared," and have no numerical restrictions, just list all specific alt modes that more than one character uses. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Then we're basically making the page utterly redundant and useless, since we're talking what, half the TF cast? 
: This is looking at the phenomenon of certain alternate mode models popping up more often than others, and across multiple unique toy molds. There are a LOT of unique Dassault Rafale jets in TFdom. A LOT of that Fizzle-style Baja Buggy. A LOT of those huge earth-mover dump-trucks. Two characters having the same altmode over almost 25 years doesn't quite impress, especially considering the sheer amount of redecoing of molds going on. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, with the section on beast modes containing only lions, tigers, and bears, it's practically crying out for an "Oh My" header. Any Transformers that turn into beasts that are so utterly bizarre no one has any idea what they hell they are? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Enough of them that are similar enough to each other to make up a listing on this page? Without checking, I'd say "probably not". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::The only "monster" types I could even remotely entertain doing an entry here for would be "two headed dragon" (Hun-Grarararrrrugh, Doublecross, etc.) and "bug monster" (Repugnus, Repugnus) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

==Requirements and cleanup==
I think it's time we took a serious look at this page. It's currently a damn sprawling mess. 
# First of all... let's decide on a "minimum requirements". I think the primary one should be "at least three unique 'molds' across as many different characters", (which would include instances like the IDW characters who have different model altmodes from their originals). 
# Next... what counts as "close enough"? Neither make of Ferrari goes over two molds, but the two makes are pretty damn close visually. 
# Let me propose this as an alternate method of listing to cut waaaaaay back on vertical space... it would need to be noted up top that these are grouped by mold, but still.

:* [[Side Burn (RID)|''RID'' Side Burn]] / [[Roulette]] / [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|''Universe'' Shadow Striker]]

:* ''RID'' Side Burn ([[Spy Changer]]) / [[Jazz (G1)#Universe|G1 Jazz (''Universe'')]]

:* [[Sideswipe (G1)#Alternators|G1 Sideswipe (''Alternators'')]] / [[Dead End (G1)#Alternators|Dead End (''Alternators'')]] / [[Sunstreaker (G1)#Alternators/Binaltech Asterisk|Sunstreaker (''Alternators'')]]

:* [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (IDW comic, non-toy appearance)

Just kicking around stuff. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

"Three molds" is definitely the right threshold. For the vehicles, your format looks good. None of the vehicular mold mates on this list are retooled to represent different models, so it works. Animal mold mates DO get turned into different species, though. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

: I can get behind "three molds," most def. I would argue that with autos, it should be make and model, but not necessarily year. The Mustang gets in, because there are three Mustang TFs, even though one is a first-gen and the other two are fifth-gen. The Ferraris don't, I don't think, 'cause they're different models. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:: I've only left the Ferraris in because you'd think that, like the Porsches and Lamborghinis, at least ''one'' of their supercars would have a mold threepeat in the 23-year history of the brand and it just wasn't coming to mind. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Would Dromaeosauridae (raptors and Deinonychus) count? It's got a mold (''Beast Wars'' Dinobot) shared by three characters, another mold (Transmetal 2 Dinobot) shared by two characters, and a retool (Thrustor) for one character. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:'''No'''. We should only include individual species of vertebrates. "Dromaeosauridae" is waaay out of line, and there are only two unique molds anyway. The list you're making in the Sandbox is really flawed, with a "Walrus" list consisting entirely of a Pretender shell being indicative of how problematic it is. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 03:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::That list only exists so I can keep track of how many Transformers fall under whatever classification. I'm not going to place it in here. Jesus, no. Regardless, the reason I put in "Dromaeosauridae" is because people can't seem to make up their mind on what exact species the two molds are. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==On Beasts...==
Or, more accurately, Beast Wars. I gotta be honest. I'm... not really thinking that including BW is a good idea, and I'm even questioning "beast modes" altogether. I mean... "Bears" is not the same level of specific classification as "Dassault Rafales". Which was kind of the point of the article... "ain't there a lot of Dassault Rafales" is considerably more curious than "ain't there a lot of sorta t-rexes", given the wide variety of fighter jet makes. 
And even with the fudging made to avoid licensing on many a vehicle mode... it's nowhere as much fudging as the likes of the Cheetor mold, which has been used to be a cheetah, a tiger and a panther, three pretty damn different types of big cat. BM probably not either. Most of the organic beast modes are... really, really vague and bad representations of actual animals, as much so as the wholly-mechanical ones where Ravage being a jaguar is mostly a matter of "okay, if you say so". Damn guy could be a puma, cheetah, cougar... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeeah. While I like the concept, it all needs too much hand-waving for my liking. We have to pack all spiders together to make a decent list, even though the species are as different as lions are to tigers. Arbitrary criteria isn't something we can do away with in animals. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 04:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::I freely admit I added the beast section in the first place because I wanted to mock this article. That said, I think it's a legitimate section (albeit of an article I find silly.)
::...you should dump the fuzors though. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==Beast split==

I'm going to remove the beasts from this page and create one called "Popular beast modes" if there is no objection. The feeling seems to be that having lists for Gorilla, Canis, Tyrannosaurus, etc. is useful but can't be measured by the same standard as "Man, there sure are a lot of Lamborghini Diablos". -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

==Brawl is not an Abrams==

Well, no more than the Rattler is an A-10. He was a repurposed "stealth tank" from ''XXX: State of the Union''. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== Siren/RX-7 ==

Since two people seem to be against me on this I figured I'd post some photographic proof:
[http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/TF/go-rx7.jpg]

Note the lack of secondary headlights on the Supra that are clearly present on the RX-7, among other glaringly obvious differences. I hope that clears everything up. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Detour, being a mechanic. Siren/Go Shooter is much more like a FC3S 2nd Generation RX-7 then the Supra. I can see why people might think it's a Mark II or Mark III of Toyota's turn from Celica Supra to just plain Supra, but the FC3S has more of the little details that show that it's more like it. Also the rear lights on the Siren/Go Shooter toy have more of the curvature of a RX-7 FC3S Savanna.

:[http://tfu.info/1988/Cybertron/GoShooter/goshooter.htm Siren]
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mk3_supra.jpg Supra]
:[http://auto.indiamart.com/cars/photo-gallery/gifs/car91b.jpg RX-7]

:Note Siren's (okay, Go Shuta's - Siren's hood emblem is more distracting) centerline hood bump, absent on any of the appropriate model-year RX-7s, as well as the prominent front fender. Also notice the lack of an air intake on the toy as seen on the FC3S. If you ask me, the problem here is that the animators have decided to draw some other car for the cartoon - much like they did with all the Combaticons.

:I find it highly unlikely that two white cars were both intended by Hasbro and Takara to be RX-7s in the same year. Getaway is inarguably an RX-7 Turbo II.

:I don't care enough about this page to try to decide how this affects Siren's listing on it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

:This isn't my area of expertise at all, but, if there is a seemingly legitimate uncertainty due to hybridized features or something, it is far better to explicitly note this in the article (regardless of where he's placed) than to just pick one or the other with no explanation. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The example you used in your photos is the FB3S, the first generation of the RX-7 line, not a good example. Also the FC3S came without the hood air intake also, just it's difficult to find a photo of one on short notice, the one pictured was the Savanna model, the more sporty version.

:It's like Proto said, not all models of the RX-7 came with a hood air intake. Here's one without: [http://www.pro-imports.ie/images/rx7001.jpg]. Steve-O, I don't think there's uncertainty since I pretty much recognized Siren as being an RX-7 right away. I'm a Supra worshipper... if Siren was a Supra, I'd have recognized it and I'd be the first one flipping out with joy over it and pointing it out on the respective articles.
:Also, what's wrong with having two distinct toys sharing an alt mode in the same year? 1984 gave us two different Lamborghini toys, didn't it? And in 1985 we got both Camshaft and the RX-7 Minispy.
::You have yet to address the blatant difference in the front fascia between the matching Siren and Supra and the RX-7, as well as centerline hood bulge, which still do not match using your new picture. Removal of the hood air intake does not make the lines of the front end or hood match. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

== Big Trucks ==

Did someone forgot to put the Peterbilt 379 in this section? Optimus turns into a civilian vehicle.
:The word you're missing is "Popular." In other words, something more than one Transformer turns into. Please read! It's essential. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

You and I know how many semi trucks are there in the G1 Series.([[User:76.195.186.73|76.195.186.73]] 00:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC))

==Space Shuttles==
There is already three space shuttles can you please put it down on the article? Astrotrain, Jetfire and Sky Lynx are the same American Space Shuttles.([[User:76.213.157.97|76.213.157.97]] 00:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC))
:Jetfire has never been an American space shuttle. His Armada form is ''similar'' but still quite Cybertronian. [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] however qualifies easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::There's also Mach, the Micromaster Combiners shuttle, the Sixwing component, and Galaxy Shuttle. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Military tanks ==

Since this only includes one particular tank, I don't think it needs its own sub-heading. I propose it and "Military aircraft" be combined into "Military vehicles", or "Military hardware". Any objections? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:Works for me. Military ground vehicles outside of the "traditional" tanks don't seem to be too common in TFdom, do they. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

== Aircraft ==

Are you sure that many transformers turn into F-15s and F-22s?([[User:MARV 2000|MARV 2000]] 23:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC))

==Nissan Z==
With Classics Prowl well on his way, would the Z series be considered a popular altmode, given the 280Z (Prowl, Bluestreak, Smokescreen), the 300ZX (Streetwise) and the 350Z (Classics Prowl)? --[[User:74.57.3.251|74.57.3.251]] 21:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC) ([[User:Detour|Detour at work]])

== Aircraft Carriers ==
What about them? We have [[Flattop]], [[Broadside (G1)]] and [[Tidal Wave (Armada)]] and maybe some more which I'm not aware of. That's enough, or not? I'm not sure where to put them, "military vehicles" or "miscallenous". --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 22:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
:To be fair, Flattop's alt mode is a jet, he just comes with another jet that turns into an aircraft carrier. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::[[Majin Zarak]] qualifies, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: I'm kind of loath to do "aircraft carrier" because that's kind of vague - if Recharge were here, he could probably clarify, but I'm pretty sure that "aircraft carrier" is like "racing motorcycle" - there are a lot of different designs out there, and some of them are probably fudged for TFs sake. If someone who knew what they were talking about (like 'Charge) could actually sit down and go "Tidal Wave, Broadside, and Flattop's carrier are all ''Nimitz''-class carriers or close enough," then go for it. Otherwise it's like saying that Groove, Glide, and RiD Axer all belong together because they're touring bikes. (note that I don't think this is gonna happen, because Tidal Wave's carrier is basically a marginally better depiction of an aircraft carrier than Grandus.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm with Hoop on this. I mean, we do have one kinda-vague set, the Baja buggy... but at least that one has a fairly hefty group of dudes in that form (plus I don't know if there even IS a "brand" for them). If you're kinda struggling for three... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: I also had that thought about the necessity of specific types/classes of carriers when I wrote the initial post, but then again I thought that Aircraft carriers should be treated as a single group, mainly because the TF Aircraft carrier-designs are pretty generic and stylized and those differences and details which an expert would look for at real carriers are simply not present at those lil' toys. I mean, to make a car into an 4" toy, it only has to be downsized to a scale of 1:50 or so, to make a 4 inch toy out of an aircraft carrier means a scale of 1:"severalhundred". Thus a lot more details are ironed out. But it's your decision, not mine. --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 23:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:: If I felt that the TF aircraft carriers were designed with even a REMOTE eye for accuracy, I'd be more willing to consider it, but as it stands, the TF carriers are all *very* crude approximations, even taking toy scale into issue - they're better at being aircraft carriers than say, Grandus or Majin Zarak, but they're all still basically "big flat thing with a little towery bit=aircraft carrier." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Dassault Rafaele ==

G2 Eagle Eye is listed here as a Rafaele, but his page calls him a EF2000 Eurofighter. Which is it? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 17:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

== Construction Vehicles ==
For a project I'm working on, I'd like to be able to source the various construction vehicles. I think quite a few fulfil the rules above. One problem is the two sides of the Atlantic use different terms. On the east we use terms like cement mixers, diggers and er, other terms I haven't used since I was 6! [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Motorcycles ==
Likewise for the same reasons above. Specific model types of motor-cycles (as is applied to cars) might be being a bit too strict. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==VW Beetle==
Um... IDW Goldbug doesn't actually turn into a VW, does he? I thought he was a Cybertronian whatever. So we're still at only two for this one. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:49, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:IDW Goldbug doesn't turn into a VW, but surely the Goldbug toy that he's based on is still associated with the character. Besides ... Donald Duck, completely separate character, so whether or not you count Goldbug, we're at three. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:38, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::I don't know that I would consider the original Goldbug toy an IDW Goldbug. Especially since it was designed to be a renamed/rebuilt Bumblebee and ''was'' a renamed/rebuilt Bumblebee for over 20 years. Donald Duck is the only VW Beetle toy that was not first made and marketed as the Bumblebee character. Until we get a VW Beetle toy that is ''explicitly'' supposed to be IDW Goldbug, we shouldn't include him. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:55, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::The requirement isn't that the toy is first made and marketed as a new character though, just that it exists. Characters like Volks and Bugbite and Glyph certainly count as a different mold/character use, even if they were Bumblebee first. As for repurposed toys, I think they're totally valid. You MIGHT hang an argument on the idea that the Goldbug toy doesn't match up with the IDW body depiction of the character, but that's a slippery slope. Animated Blackouts only ever appears as a Cybertronian jet, but you'd still associate his character with the Earth mode helicopter toy, no? Long story short, Beetles have many, many molds and many, many characters. This includes at least 3, possibly 4, unique character/mold designations. At this point, to not include him would be silly. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:34, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Well, the requirement is at least that an existing toy repurposed is officially stated to be that certain other character, I would think? The Animated Blackout toy is officially Blackout even if we never see him in fiction as the Earth helicopter. And folks like the Shattered Glass characters are officially shown/said to be certain toys. But we got zip that officially says or shows that IDW Goldbug = toy Goldbug. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:46, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Really? Would you seriously put forth the proposition that the IDW Throttlebots are not based on the Throttlebot toys? The funny thing is, it doesn't even matter for this argument. With or without Goldbug, Beetles qualify. I therefor propose that we move this discussion over to the [[Goldbug (IDW)]] page where it belongs.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:54, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'd put forth that they're based on the Throttlebot ''characters'', obviously. Whether they're based on the toys is another matter entirely, considering that they don't even have Earth modes yet to judge from. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:08, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::No, Beetles would ''not'' qualify. Every VW Beetle mold that is not Donald Duck was first designed for and sold as the character of Bumblebee, even if one was Bumblebee with a different name. Redecos are not qualifications, new characters or not, otherwise this list would be way, way longer. And it is kind of pointless to go "look, a toy of the exact same character as another toy shares an altmode!", so "World's Smallest" toys are out too. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:56, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Siph, I love you but you're just flat out wrong on this. The qualifications listed on the page are: "There must be at least three unique toy molds (or in-fiction appearances, in the case of non-toy bodies/characters) that share the model. There must also be at least one unique character per mold." We never say anything about 'the first use of the mold has to be a different character than the first use of the other molds.' If you think that the requirement for inclusion should change, well, that's a completely separate argument. We've got three characters across three molds - let's say World's Smallest/Bumblebee, 1984 VW mold/Bug Bite, and the Disney Label / Donald Duck here. It doesn't matter that Bug Bite shares a mold with Bumblebee. If it did, then every time a later redeco comes out that homages an earlier character, we'd have to go and start removing popular alt modes, and that's lunacy.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:13, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Then the top is worded wrong. Look at the other lists as they are now. Not a one counts same-character-same-altmode-different-toys to get up to three, because "three different molds made for three different characters" is what we've been using as the yardstick. And I have no clue what you're on about for removing entries based on later homages. The point is ''the original toys' design intent''. That so many different toy molds were developed to be different characters yet kept going back to specific vehicle makes is the point of the article. It is ''not'' interesting when a single character has a bunch of different molds all based on a single alternate mode. That's ''expected''. Nor is it interesting when a mold is redecoed to be another character; that too is very very commonplace. We list each mold's redecos out of completeness/linking-to-more-obscure-stuff's sake, not as a yardstick (and we shouldn't list same-character redecos like "Red Bumblebee" because ''holy fuck'' would that make some listings, such as the G2 Go-Bots molds, stupidly long for no good reason). It is the creation of an entirely new mold based on a recurring vehicle that is a character who hasn't been one of those yet (be it because they didn't exist previously or had another alternate mode) that's the oddity. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::OK, the discussion becomes, what SHOULD the criteria for inclusion be, since apparently you're not happy with the way it's been listed out for the past, I dunno, year or so? I'm not sure I see how it's relevant what the designers intention is. I mean, technically, the 1984 Bumblebee toy wasn't intended to be Bumblebee, or even a real car, at all, right? It was intended to be a penny racer in the Microman line. So, then, you have one toy that was intended to be something not Bumblebee and repurposed and redecoed into a bunch of guys (including Bumblebee), then a few toys intended to be Bumblebee, then a toy intended to be Donald Duck. So we're STILL ok, even by the 'designer intention' criteria you proposed above. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:54, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

== Buses? ==

What's the feeling on buses? The article for Ironhide (Animated) says he's a minibus (although Cybertronian, so that may not count). Additionally, the school bus at Murray Wright High School has a notation that says it's actually the FOURTH bus Transformer. Granted, I think all these buses have been different models (double-decker, metro, school, etc.) so they still might not be appropriate... [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 12:22, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
:For this article, we'd pretty much need to know the specific models of the buses - we can't just put "Bus" on the list. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:30, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, thought so. Most of the buses are all really small or really hidden, and even if I knew the models, they'd all be different. I should've thought of that. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 19:42, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

== F-35 Lightning II ==

There is already 4 transformers that turn into an F-35 Lightninh II and that's breakaway, sunstorm, armada thrust and rotf thrust([[User:Dr L|Dr L]] 13:22, 14 September 2009 (EDT))
:That's only two molds. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

== Eurocopter Dauphin ==

[[Blazemaster|''Revenge of The Fallen'' Blaze Master]] is listed here as a Dauphin, but his own page says he is a [[wikipedia:Bell 412|Bell 412]]. He certainly looks more like the Bell to me. If we remove him from the Dauphin listing, the whole section must go away. Just looking for agreement before proceeding. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:21, 16 November 2009 (EST)
:Removed section due to lack of response to above notice. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:52, 21 November 2009 (EST)

== H-Tank ==

I know this page isn't the right place as they're not Earth vehicles and would need to be a specific model anyway, but given the TF-unique nature of the H-tank, should we have something listing all of them? Apologies if there already is such a list (or a discussion of this elsewhere), but I couldn't find one. [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 16:50, 23 February 2010 (EST)

Krunix (G1)

2010-02-14T13:31:00Z

J'mie: Corrected 'Nebulan' spelling

{{disambig2|the giant Fracas|the last survivor of Lithone|Kranix}}
{{disambig2|the art error that was supposed to be Cyclonus|the Targetmaster partner to "Shattered Glass" Cyclonus|Krunix (SG)}}
{{factions|decepticon}}
:''Krunix is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Marvel Comics]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:Krunix01.jpg|right|260px|thumb|He's kinda the Marvel Comic equivalent of Cyclonus's Armada.]]
'''Krunix''' exists. He asks his fellow Decepticons to save some for him. Some... anything.

==Fiction==
===Marvel UK Comics continuity===
Krunix took part in the Decepticons raid on [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]'s base in the [[Manganese Mountains]]. He was concerned the transmission from [[Zarak (Nebulan)|Lord Zarak]] could be a booby-trap before discovering it was an alien language.

Krunix was among the Decepticons that traveled to Nebulos, and was part of Scorponok's handpicked team that laid siege to [[Koraja]]. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}

==Notes==
*In [[Broken Glass!|''Headmasters'' #2]], [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] is supposed to appear in a couple of scenes. However, artist [[Frank Springer]] accidentally drew a giant-sized version of [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)|Nightstick]] instead, which was then colored like Cyclonus. (The giant Nightstick is actually a giant [[Fracas]], since the two Nebulans' character models got swapped... oy!) For the UK printing of the story, since audiences were already very familiar with Cyclonus from exclusive stories in that comic, the giant Nightstick was renamed "Krunix".

==External links==
* [http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/jhiaxus/uscomics/cyclonus2krunix.htm Krunix on the Obscure Transformers page]

[[Category:Comic-only characters]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:European-original characters]]
[[Category:Generation 1 characters]]

Talk:G1 GoBots

2010-02-12T23:47:37Z

J'mie: Timelines Bugbite toy

Anyone know what these characters ''would'' have been called? [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] 15:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

==Additional Pic==
We were worried about outright swiping this from Nakas, IIRC.

[[Image:Minibot-japanese-cat.jpg|thumb]]

--[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

{{-}}

==Old Stuff==
Is it just me or does it seem like the G1 gobots are responcible for the Maximal Upgrade?

"they have brought technologies such as their distinctive transporter devices and '''biomechanical engineering''' to this world, contributing to the birth of new generations of TFs like the Spychangers." [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

That's conjecture. The biomech engineering thing comes from the Tonka GoBots' backstory, in which they are originally organic lifeforms who have moved to having robotic bodies. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't the article be 'GoBots (G1)'? - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 04:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

There is no indication anywhere of where the mentioned team bio can be read... --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

== Merger with Tonka? ==

Over on the [[GoBot (Tonka)]] talk page I've raised he possibility of renavating that article (it's a bit messy) and possibly mergeing this one with that. Anyone with any thoughts on the subject? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 21:08, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'm not sure, but I think these six GoBots are a team of some sort. If they are a team, they should have their own page. Where does "Dimensional Exploration/Experimentation Team" come from? Is that the official name of their team? Maybe the article should move there. I kind of agree that there could be more done to make the Tonka GoBots more in-universe. Maybe there should be a "Tonka" page with all of the real-world information and a "GoBot" page that is in-universe. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:20, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::The set's name is "G1 GoBots". The team's function is "Dimensional Exploration/Experimentation Team". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:28, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
:::This page should not be merged as it is about a specific group and not Tonka GoBots in general. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:09, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Agreed. --unknown
:::::The toy set is "G1 Gobots," but that's NOT an "in fiction" name, is it? It certainly doesn't sound like one, where "Dimensional Exploration/Experimentation Team" sounds very much like an "in fiction" name for the group. Is it ever used as such anywhere (their aborted bio, club stuff)? Even if not, it's almost tempting to move this to the possible fiction-centric name over the toy group designation just cause it's so much more pleasing. At least for me, your millage may vary.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 22:37, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::This page is all ass-backwards right now. What is currently the intro should be the "Toys" section down near the bottom. The first Fiction pic should be the main pic, and there should be a short in-universe writeup with it. And yeah, it probably should be moved to "Dimensional Exploration Team" or whatever. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:07, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I went with the e-hobby art instead of the Withered Hope piece for the main pic. Still not perfect but it's a start. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:16, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

== Timelines Bugbite toy ==

Shouldn't this be in the 'Toys' section? [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 18:47, 12 February 2010 (EST)

The Planet-Eater!

2010-02-01T23:41:13Z

J'mie: 'Lithonians' changed to 'Lithones'

{{comicstory|seriesissue=''[[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel Comics)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' #1
|next=Judgment Day!
|title="The Planet Eater!"
|image=TFTM1.jpg
|caption=Ultra Magnus can't deal with this lousy coloring, or his own off-model rendition, now!
|date=August 1986
|coverdate=December 1986
|adaptation=[[Ralph Macchio]]
|breakdowns=[[Don Perlin]]
|finishes=[[Ian Akin]] and [[Brian Garvey]]
|colors=[[Nelson Yomtov]]
|lettering=[[Janice Chiang]]
|editor=[[Bob Budiansky]]
}}
'''While the Autobots and Decepticons fight a crucial battle on Earth, something threatens the very existence of Cybertron.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:MatrixCoconut1.jpg|left|150px|thumb|To you, old friend, I leave my coconut collection.]]
In deep space, the planet [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]] is under attack from the planet-eater, Unicron. As the world is devoured, only one [[Lithone (species)|Lithone]], Kranix, manages to escape. Unicron now turns his sights on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]....

The year is 2005, and although the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] still rule Cybertron, the [[Autobot|Autobots]] are preparing to retake the planet. But all is not yet ready. Optimus Prime sends a group of Autobots on a mission to [[Autobot City]] on [[Earth]]. Unfortunately, plans for this mission are overheard by Laserbeak, who reports the findings to Megatron. Megatron leads a group of Decepticons to intercept the Earth-bound shuttle, murder its crew, and attempt to invade Autobot City using the Autobots' own ship.

The Autobots are given the most minimal of advance warnings when Hot Rod, playing with Spike Witwicky's son Daniel outside Autobot City, notices something wrong with the ship. The Autobots scramble to prepare their base for battle, but, being unprepared for this head-on assault, they are soon overwhelmed.

Optimus Prime arrives to join the battle, and knows that the only way the battle can be won is to face Megatron directly in mortal combat. Both leaders battle, and sustain heavy injuries. Although Optimus Prime is fatally wounded, he has turned the tide of the battle, and the Decepticons retreat using Astrotrain as transport. Before Prime dies, he passes the [[Matrix of Leadership|Autobot Matrix of Leadership]] to his choice for Autobot leader, Ultra Magnus.

[[Image:GalvatronTFMMarvel1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Read in Spock's voice.]]
As the embattled Decepticons journey through space, Astrotrain informs them that they must jettison dead weight or they'll never make it back to Cybertron. Starscream sees an opportunity. All of the most wounded Decepticons are tossed out into deep space, including Megatron.

The wounded Decepticons float through space, and are gathered toward Unicron. Unicron offers Megatron a deal: destroy the Autobot Matrix of Leadership in exchange for a new body and troops. Megatron resists at first, but ultimately agrees. Unicron reshapes some of the fallen Decepticon warriors into Cyclonus, Scourge, and the Sweeps. Megatron himself is reformed into the powerful Galvatron!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (3)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (5)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (12)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (13)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (14)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (16)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (17)
*[[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (18)
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (19)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (21)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (22)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (23)

|c2=
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (7)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (8)
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (9)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (10)
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (11)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (20)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (24)
*[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] (25)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (26)
*[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] (27)

|c3=
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (6)
*[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] (15)

|c4=
*[[Unicron]] (1)
*[[Kranix]] (2)

}}
==Errors==
* As the scene with the Insecticons was cut, it is never revealed how Hot Rod and Daniel got back inside Autobot City, unless they just toughed it out outside the whole time.
* Because lines were cut here and there, Megatron's response of "No, you don't own me!" seems a little strange when Unicron offers him a new body and new troops to command.

==Differences Between the Film and Comic==
*As per the script: Unicron devours things with the aid of a strange (explosively) corrosive mist. Indeed, Unicron never uses his "horns" to devour the planet. He merely leaves a dead world in his wake.
**[[Arblus]] is devoured by the mist instead of escaping with Kranix.
*The [[Lithone (species)|Lithones]] have the ability to transform.
*Spike doesn't have an [[exo-suit]]. Rather, he's wearing an orange-red space suit.
*Also from the script, Laserbeak is first seen popping out of a cassette deck in Autobot headquarters after the shuttle launch, rather than sneaking in, and perching onto the window.
*When the Decepticons attack the Autobot shuttle, [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] is blasted in half in a less-than-explicit manner, another detail from an early draft of the movie script that did not make it to the screen. Ironhide and Ratchet are not melted together, though. And Ironhide doesn't survive the first blast that hits him.
*The shuttle actually lands at Autobot City before Daniel sees the hole in the side.
*Kup and Blurr are pretty much omitted from this issue. Despite Kup being on the cover, all his lines are attributed to Arcee instead. They can be seen vaguely during Optimus Prime's death scene. Also missing are [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], and most of the Transformers that had small appearances.
*Autobot City is called [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]].
*[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]'s attack on Hot Rod, Starscream’s chase down the corridor, the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] eating the door, the cassette fight, and Springer’s attack with the launcher have all been cut.
*Megatron orders the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] to merge almost immediately, and Prime arrives not too long after.
*Hot Rod doesn’t interfere with the Prime/Megatron fight.
*The Matrix looks much different, basically like a green gem.
*Optimus Prime is a bit more insistent on Ultra Magnus leading the Autobots, dying after handing him the Matrix and uttering, "Follow him, Autobots... Follow him."
*No one fights inside Astrotrain.
*Megatron and deceased company land on Unicron's surface and bargain rather than doing whilst floating in front of Unicron. Apparently quite a few corpses were dumped out of Astrotrain as well, as six other silhouetted warriors are resurrected aside from Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge.
*During Megatron's bargaining breakdown with the planet-devourer, Unicron threatens Megatron with his corrosive mist rather than pulling Megatron into his maw.
*There is no mention of Cyclonus’ armada. He is described as "The warrior that will become Megatron’s ship". The larger ship has been omitted, though there was no ship in the screenplay either.
*Oddly enough, [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] is absent from the comic adaptation as well. This may also be due to the screenplay which omits him. And [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] is missing as well!
*[[Ralph Macchio]] describes what's being pictured in nearly ''every single panel''. No joke.

{{DEFAULTSORT:Planet Eater!}}
[[Category:Marvel US issues]]

Garbage In, Garbage Out

2010-01-30T14:25:07Z

J'mie: Corrected Ratchet's 'Sally Field speech' quote

{{episode|
|series=Anitoon
|image=Wreck-Gar-Ani.jpg
|caption=Wreck-Gar auditions for the role of [[Wikipedia:WALL-E|WALL·E]].
|ep=20
|title="Garbage In, Garbage Out"
|airdate=[[May 3]], 2008
|written by=[[Marty Isenberg]]
|directed by=[[Ben Jones]] [[Shunji Ōga|Shunji Oga]]
|animation studio=[[The Answer Studio]]
}}

'''AllSpark energy turns a junkpile into a sentient robot who tries to help the Autobots, but ends up doing more harm than good.'''

:''German title:'' "'''Die Müll-Bots'''" ("The Garbage-Bots")
:''Polish title:'' "'''Śmieci weszły, Śmieci wyszły'''" ("Garbage In, Garbage Out")

==Synopsis==
[[Image:TFA Garbage In Out Garbage bots malfunction.JPG|left|200px|thumb|"Too much garbage in your face? There's lots of space out in space!"]]

Garbage is piling up all over [[Detroit]], as the trash-bots are malfunctioning and [[Sumdac Systems]] CEO Porter C. Powell refuses to repair them until the city and he can come to an agreement on payment. In Powell's office, a technician demonstrates a new form of the [[Nanite|nanobots]] that [[Transform and Roll Out|caused big problems a while back]], designed this time to break down garbage into its component molecules, quickly and cheaply solving the garbage problem (while allowing Powell to charge the city a hefty fee).

Elsewhere, the [[Autobot]]s are trying to patch up their still-damaged reputation by helping pile garbage into scows. Ratchet ends up getting into a shouting match with an old man whose car ended up under a garbage mound, resulting in the car being dumped in the river and the two old grouches almost coming to blows. Captain Fanzone arrives to break up the scene and remarks that Ratchet needs to work on his "people skills". Prime agrees and assigns Bumblebee and Sari to try and help out Ratchet while they work more on the garbage problem. Ratchet is not happy with this.

Just before the Autobots depart, though, Sari's [[AllSpark Key]] glows, but she quickly disregards this, and so she misses the emergence of a junk-robot from the scow, brought to life by an [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] shard. The confused machine tries to figure out his identity using the scraps around him, but is unsatisfied with the results. Spying a passing blimp with a sign for the Detroit police department with the slogan "We're Here to Help", the robot happily goes about trying to find the police for some help with his identity.

[[Image:TFA Garbage In Out Megatron twitch.JPG|right|200px|thumb|If [[Inferno (BW)|you]] call me your [[Megatron (BW)|queen]] ''one more time''...]]

At the Decepticon base, Lugnut detects a surge in AllSpark energy, and Megatron concludes that another fragment must have turned up. Megatron orders Lugnut to retrieve it, and Lugnut continues his glory-spouting as he leaves. Megatron's optical sensor begins to twitch noticeably.

Stuck in a traffic jam, Ratchet is about to display some serious road rage when Bumblebee puts on his siren and clears a path for them. Heading through, they a find [[Witwicky|a familiar couple]] who are expecting a child, but their car has broken down on the way to the hospital. Ratchet agrees to take them to the hospital, then jets off at high speed, despite Sari's warning to keep the mother calm.

Meanwhile, the new robot is walking through downtown Detroit, nearly causing several accidents. The police, pursuing the Angry Archer, crash into the robot, who subsequently asks them for help. Archer tells the robot to throw them aside so that they can escape, and the robot agrees. When Archer inquires as to his identity, the robot responds that he is "worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage" (all things he had been called by citizens who nearly slammed into him), so the Archer dubs him Wreck-Gar for short. He tries to explain that they steal from the rich and give to the poor (themselves), but Wreck-Gar gets the Archer's words confused. Seeing a passing armored car, Archer tells Wreck-Gar that they must "knock it over", so Wreck-Gar proceeds to chase the armored car and do just that.

[[Image:TFA Garbage In Out Spike Carly bumpy ride.JPG|left|200px|thumb|Oh shit, what are we gonna do now?!]]

Meanwhile, expecting mother Carly asks her husband, Spike, to ask the driver to slow down, only for Spike to learn that there is only a little girl in the car—and no driver! Ratchet tells them to keep quiet as he tries to find a hospital, only for the armored car knocked over by Wreck-Gar to land in his way. Jettisoning the humans, Ratchet and Bumblebee try to stop Wreck-Gar, but before they can do anything, the Angry Archer snags and flees with a canister that was in the armored car. Sari points out that Autobots are supposed to catch the bad guys, and Wreck-Gar assumes that he is an Autobot, slaps on an [[Insignia|Autobrand]], and goes after the Archer. Bumblebee and Sari go after him, while Ratchet offers to drive Spike and Carly to the hospital. They say they'll take a cab, leaving Ratchet miffed at their rudeness.

Outrunning the swinging Archer, Wreck-Gar hurls him into the air so he can "catch" him, allowing the Angry Archer to escape, but the canister falls into Wreck-Gar's backpack. As the Autobots and Sari show up, the Key starts to glow, and they realize that Wreck-Gar was created by an AllSpark fragment. Ratchet rudely tells Wreck-Gar that he is not an Autobot and is only good for one thing: GARBAGE! Wreck-Gar therefore [[Transformation|transforms]] into his garbage truck vehicle mode and leaves to deliver garbage to the people of Detroit—starting by covering Sari and the Autobots in a pile of it.

[[Image:GarbageInGarbageOut-Wreck-GarandLugnutwithaxe.jpg|right|200px|thumb|It's no Star Saber but it'll do.]]

Meanwhile, Lugnut has reached the city, and he confronts Wreck-Gar at the military base he and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] previously visited. Lugnut demands the AllSpark fragment from the vehicle's driver, but Wreck-Gar transforms, revealing his robotic nature. When Wreck-Gar repeats Ratchet's statement that he's no Autobot, Lugnut concludes that Wreck-Gar is a loyal Decepticon, so Wreck-Gar slaps on a Decepticon symbol.

[[Image:Wreckgarbutton.jpg|left|100px|thumb|High five!]]

Back at the crime scene, Ratchet is removing the driver of the armored car when Powell and Fanzone show up. Powell reveals that the car was carrying the garbage-devouring microbots to a demonstration for Mayor Edsel. However, the canister carrying them is gone. Sari is more than willing to let Powell suffer, but Ratchet is concerned about what the microbots might do if infused with AllSpark energy. Tracking Wreck-Gar to the base, Ratchet demands the Microbots, only for Lugnut to transform and activate his [[Punch of Kill Everything]]. Wreck-Gar interprets this as the [[universal greeting]] and gives Lugnut a high five. Sari and the Autobots barely manage to avoid ground zero. As Lugnut transforms to attack, Wreck-Gar takes out the canister, which has cracked, allowing some of the microbots to touch Lugnut. Crying out in pain, Lugnut commands Wreck-Gar to get them off, so Wreck-Gar dissects Lugnut, causing his tail end, still carrying Wreck-Gar, to crash onto a garbage scow. Bumblebee declares their problems over, but Ratchet is worried. If those microbots could eat through Decepticon [[armor-plating]], there's no telling what they'll do to downtown Detroit.

On the river bank, Powell arrives to cancel the presentation with the mayor, only for the group to see the microbots eat the garbage on the scow. Powell quickly takes advantage of the situation to start wheeling and dealing. As the scow gets closer, Ratchet jumps from a nearby bridge to stop it. He tries to reason with Wreck-Gar, but everything fails, forcing Ratchet to make the ultimate sacrifice...and apologize. He tells Wreck-Gar he can be whatever he wants, and Wreck-Gar decides to save the city, vacuuming up the microbots. However, the microbots overload Wreck-Gar's backpack, causing him to fall into the river. Ratchet tries to pull him out with his magnets, but only finds junk. As Bumblebee and Sari declare Ratchet a hero, Powell cries foul, saying that Ratchet destroyed his product. Thus there is no deal with the city, and the garbage dispute will continue. Ratchet picks up Powell, the Mayor, and the Mayor's aide, and tells them to make peace or be thrown into the river. Powell and Edsel agree to a small increase to re-service the garbage bots, ending the dispute. Ratchet decides the cheering bystanders are lauding him, leading him to conclude that he does have people skills. Sari and Bumblebee know differently, however.

[[Image:Garbage In Garbage Out Wreck-Gar stuck.jpg|right|200px|thumb|[[Lost and Found (episode)#Quotes|Help! Give me a hand! Or-or a foot! How about a pelvis?]]]]

Meanwhile, at the bottom of the river, Wreck-Gar, buried shoulder-deep in sediment, assures the sea life that he is a hero and is there to help. First, however, he needs a hand. Or a fin.
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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (4)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
|c2=
*[[Lugnut]] (10)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)
|c3=
*[[Porter C. Powell]] (1)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (6)
*[[Carmine Fanzone]] (8)
*[[Spike Witwicky (Animated)|Spike Witwicky]] (12)
*[[Carly Witwicky (Animated)|Carly Witwicky]] (13)
*[[Angry Archer]] (14)
*[[Augustus Edsel]] (15)
*[[Miss Adrias]] (16)
|c4=
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] (9)

}}

==Quotes==
"Stasis lock itself could not deter me from your grand and glorious plan, oh wise and noble Megatron!" 
''[Left optic twitches]'' "Just...''go''..."
:—'''Lugnut's''' blind worship can be too much even for '''Megatron''' sometimes.

"I don't suppose you can tell me what I am, funny green man?" 
"You are...my partner-in-crime. They call me Angry Archer!" 
"They call me 'worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage'!" 
"Oh, really? Bit of a mouthful. Perhaps we should just call you 'Wreck-Gar' for short."
:—'''Angry Archer''', Renaissance Man, does some on-the-spot dubbing.

''[The Autobots are stuck in traffic]'' 
'''Ratchet''': Move it, already! Don't you humans have anything better to do?! 
'''Sari''': You should really try to be more patient with people. 
'''Ratchet''': I'd be a lot more patient with them...if they'd GET OUT OF MY WAY!
:—Ratchet shows that road rage is alive and well in the 22nd century.

'''Bumblebee''': ''[To Wreck-Gar]'' What are you? ''[To Sari]'' What is he? 
'''Sari''': I don't know, but he's givin' off a ton of AllSpark energy. 
'''Wreck-Gar:''' I am Wreck-Gar! I give off a ton of AllSpark energy! 
'''Bumblebee''': So, what, an AllSpark fragment just brought a junk pile to life and made some new kind of Autobot?! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I am some new kind of Autobot?! 
'''Ratchet''': Listen up, scrapheap. You're not an Autobot, and you never will be an Autobot. You're only good for one thing...'''''GARBAGE!''''' 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I am only good for one thing...'''''GARBAGE!''''' I must deliver garbage to all! ''[transforms and rolls out]''
:— Ratchet's lack of people skills backfires again.

'''Lugnut''': Are you an Autobot? 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I am not an Autobot and never will be an Autobot! 
'''Lugnut''': Ah! Then you must be a Decepticon! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I...must be a Decepticon! 
''[Wreck-Gar places a Decepticon badge on his chest]'' 
'''Lugnut''': Aah, ALL HAIL MEGATRON! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': All hail Megatron! Uh...w-what's a 'Megatron'?
:— Wreck-Gar makes a new friend.

"You glitch-head! You're gonna destroy the whole city! You wouldn't dare do something THAT stupid!" 
"I am Wreck-Gar! I ''dare'' to be stupid! I will destroy the whole city!
:— '''Ratchet''' and '''Wreck-Gar'''. Yes, but does he count his chickens before they hatch?

"Well, whaddaya know. They like me. They really like me! Guess I got a way with words."
:— '''Ratchet''', discovering what we've known all along.

==Notes==
* This episode was first shown on Friday, [[April 25|April 25th]] at [[BotCon 2008]] (with the time-code running in the top-left corner).

===Animation or technical errors===
* In one scene where Ratchet crosses his arms, he gains a second war wound on his right arm.
* Though Wreck-Gar calls what he pulls from his backpack a "microscope", it's actually a telescope.

===Continuity errors===
* Optimus pays honor to the [[Generation 1|long-standing tradition]] of his [[trailer]] disappearing when he transforms. His dump-truck trailer disappears magically along with all the garbage in it!
* Why don't Sari or Ratchet react to the Key when it starts to glow, indicating the presence of AllSpark energy?
* Sari uses the Key to help track down Wreck-Gar...which seems rather unnecessary, considering the noticeable trail of garbage he left behind.
* The previously cylindrical trash-bots now appear somewhat rectangular.

===Transformers references===
[[Image:Beemeatcycle.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Most fanwanky episode ever? Most likely.]]
* Wreck-Gar interprets Lugnut's incoming rocket punch as an invitation to a high five, and he happily delivers the [[universal greeting]].
*Wreck-Gar appears to have the original's near-invulnerability. After triggering Lugnut's [[Punch of Kill Everything]] and causing an huge explosion, Wreck-Gar is simply knocked down, but otherwise fine.
* Wreck-Gar's shifting allegiance and red optics as he faces down Ratchet on the garbage scow appear to be callbacks to the [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|original Wreck-Gar]], who seemed to be an enemy to the Autobots in his initial movie appearance, complete with red optics, and was even marketed as such in television [[commercial]]s.
* The ''Animated'' incarnations of Spike and Carly, who made a cameo in [[Transform and Roll Out|the pilot episode]], reappear with speaking lines and even get their names called out. In the process, Corey Burton reprises his post-[[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] voice for the adult [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]].
* Generation 1 Wreck-Gar's motorcycle alt mode can be spotted amongst the garbage that Wreck-Gar throws at Bumblebee.
* The term "microbots" is a reference to one of the [[Microbots|good old G1 Episodes]]

===Real-world references===
* Wreck-Gar's "I ''dare'' to be stupid!" is, of course, a reference to one of [["Weird Al" Yankovic]]'s most well-known songs, "[[Dare to Be Stupid]]"–a [[Wikipedia:Devo|Devo]] "style parody" which appeared on the soundtrack to [[The Transformers: The Movie|the original animated movie]], and was used there in the scene with the [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|original Wreck-Gar]].
* While driving Spike and Carly to the hospital, Ratchet drives past the Wyatt Toys toy store, a reference to Art Director [[Derrick Wyatt]] previously seen in "[[Sound and Fury]]".
* The line "They like me, they really like me!" refers to Sally Field's Oscar acceptance speech in 1985.
*The line "Thumb tack? Carpet tack? Income tack?" bears a striking resemblance to a gag used by Groucho Marx in ''Duck Soup''.
*The title "Garbage In, Garbage Out" is a phrase used in computing meaning that if you give a computer bad data, or garbage, it gives you the same, as it just does what it's programmed to do without correcting your errors. This makes it very appropriate for Wreck-Gar's introductory episode, as it seems to be the case for him as well.

===Trivia===
* Even Megatron gets annoyed by Lugnut's constant worshipping. [[Inferno (BW)|Sound familiar]]?

* The mayor still doesn't talk, letting his [[Miss Adrias|Press Secretary]] speak for him instead.

* Aside from Wreck-Gar, Weird Al also voices the Sumdac Systems technician who explains the new version of the nanobots to Porter C. Powell.

* This is the first and only time we see Lugnut use his mace/axe weapon. Originally, Hasbro never told the cartoon team that they had included it with the toy. As such, they only found out after Season 1 was finished.

* Given that Carly is about to give birth when she seemed to have a wafer-thin profile in [[Transform and Roll Out|the pilot]], the Autobots seem to have spent at least six months or so in Detroit.

* This episode sees the return of the human newscaster.

* Wreck-Gar appears to have access to [[Subspace|Hammerspace]].

* Bulkhead appears, but has no lines. Blitzwing and Isaac Sumdac are also absent.

* One of the two policemen Wreck-Gar picks up resembles Officer Dibble from ''[[Wikipedia:Top_Cat|Top Cat]]''.

* This episode is the first to feature Ratchet's full robot-to-vehicle [[stock footage|transformation animation sequence]].

==External links==
*[http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video/dlink/index.html?episodeID=8a25c3921fc6a295011fc99a2e8b013d "Garbage In, Garbage Out" streaming video at Cartoon Network] (link functional until 3/03/10)

[[Category:Animated episodes]]

Mixmaster (ROTF)

2010-01-30T12:05:48Z

J'mie: Removed Devastator Legends 'due for release' box

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{{disambig3|Mixmaster}}

:''Mixmaster is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:ROTF Mixmaster concept art.jpg|thumb|right|300px|You can never have too many shields.]]

A genius chemist, '''Mixmaster''' serves as a weapons designer to the Decepticon elite. He has spent his entire lifespan mastering the intricacies of chemical reactions, becoming an expert in poisons, corrosive substances, and most especially explosives. He has a knack for improvisation, being able to make deadly concoctions from just the native materials a world has to offer. A member of the [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicons]], when [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] is formed he constitutes the lumbering beast's head.

There are two of him, one of which forms the head of [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]], the other may or may not be also named "Mixmaster".

==Fiction==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
[[Image:Defiance4_Constructicons.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Not shown: Mixmaster learning to use a bone as a club.]]

In the distant past, the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]] Cube created [[Thirteen original Transformers|a race]] of powerful, trans-dimensional beings as the first inhabitants of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The Cube gave these beings mighty powers, as well as terraforming their world, but it was not limitless, and gradually became depleted. The first beings learned that the All Spark's power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions. Once again, the Cube came to the rescue, creating a race of workers, who had the ability to change their shape.

The "Mixmaster" body-type was among the very first of these new beings, one of several "builders" who would construct a [[Solar harvester|harvester]] when a suitable sun had been found. Once built, the device would drain the energy of these stars, thus replenishing the All Spark. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

One of the Mixmasters was part of [[the Fallen]]'s early Decepticons. On [[Earth]], he and his brothers were sicced on the turncoat [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]. Mixmaster was the last one standing and managed to get the Seeker in a crushing embrace, informing him "You die". Jetfire got out of this by teleporting into Earth's atmosphere, causing Mix's death by atmosphere re-entry. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 3}}

It is presumed that at some point during the civil war on Cybertron, a surviving Mixmaster(s) sided with [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], the new protege of the Fallen.
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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
[[Image:ROTFMegatronrebirth.jpg|thumb|250px|Can we fix him? Yes we can!]]
After the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]] shard was retrieved from [[NEST]]'s secure bunker at [[Diego Garcia]], [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]], [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], Mixmaster, [[Scalpel]], [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] and [[Ze little one|another Constructicon]] secreted themselves aboard the ''[[Bayos]]'' freighter heading towards the North Atlantic. Once the ship passed over the [[Laurentian Abyss]], the Decepticons jumped overboard and dove down to where [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron's]] broken body lay. Scalpel ordered the death of the smallest Constructicon to rebuild Megatron, a request that Mixmaster and the others obliged with. Soon, Megatron was reborn!

After Megatron killed [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], Mixmaster climbed the Brooklyn Bridge and knocked down the American flag in a display of dominance as [[The Fallen]] broadcast a worldwide message demanding the humans bring them the head of [[Sam Witwicky]].

Some time later, Mixmaster and another Constructicon with the same [[body-type]] were present in [[Egypt]] during [[Operation: Firestorm]]. Mixmaster and several other Constructicons waited in a quarry in their construction vehicle disguises until the [[human]]s [[Seymour Simmons]], [[Leo Spitz]] and their Autobot guardians [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] approached. The Constructicons [[combiner|combined]] into the mighty Devastator and attacked.

[[Image:Mixmaster-ROTFcannonmode.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Good luck figuring this out on my toy.]]

Elsewhere, the other Mixmaster fought against the NEST forces in the Egyptian town near the great ruins of the pyramids, using his cannon emplacement mode to cause serious problems, until the ex-Decepticon [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] arrived to slice him in half and crush his torso.

[[Image:ROTF Mixmaster death.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Jetfire stomps Mixmaster's head off (in case you were unable to see due to [[Michael Bay|motion blurs]])]]
Meanwhile, Devastator had shrugged off the Autobot twins and was busy demolishing the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]] when Simmons called upon the [[United States Navy]] to attack Devastator. The [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Kidd (DDG-100)|U.S.S. ''Kidd'']] fired her experimental [[Railgun|railgun]], smashing one of his arms to pieces and destroying Devastator. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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==Toys==
===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF_Legends_Mixmaster.jpg|thumb|200px|My arms hurt...]]
*'''Decepticon Mixmaster''' (Legends, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number'' '''D2'''
:Mixmaster and the six other Legends class Constructicons combine to form Devastator. In Japan, the Legends class Constructicons are sold individually. Mixmaster has the dubious honor of pulling Devastator's face around like a rectal growth in robot mode. He forms (you guessed it) the head of Devastator.

*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Legends figure multi-pack, 2010)

:In [[Hasbro]]'s markets, the Legends Constructicons are sold together as a store [[exclusive]].

*'''EZ Collection Devastator - G1 Colors Version''' (Legends, 2010)
:Takara will reissue the seven Legend class Constructicons in G1 inspired green and purple color schemes.
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====Voyager Class toys====
[[Image:Mixmaster ROTF Voyager toy.jpg|right|thumb|400px|My arms still hurt...]]
*'''Mixmaster''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-12'''
**''Accessories:'' Missile

:Voyager Class ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Mixmaster transforms into a gray and silver cement mixer with purple windows and headlights, based loosely on the [[Wikipedia:Mack Trucks|Mack]] truck seen in the film. The vehicle mode's mixing drum is incapable of rotating due to the transformation, but does boast a pair of gigantic Decepticon logos on either side. The cement chute at the rear of the vehicle mode can accurately raise and lower on a hinge, and the cannon can be fixed to fire directly overhead or behind at pursuing vehicles.

: His robot mode is designed to be squat with very long arms, but in order to be fully functional and look like the stock photo, his legs at the hip joints must be slightly mistransformed from what is depicted in his instructions. This results in a robot mode that is very thin and lanky, with numerous joints on the extremely long arms alone. The packaging calls out [[Mech Alive]] gimmickry in the form of "spinning gears" on his chest, but the feature is only present at the thighs and forearms, which reveal shifting internal bits when the joints are rotated. The robot mode's missile-firing cannon is locked in place on its back pointing straight upward; it can be raised over Mixmaster's head, although this involves letting the cab hang loose on his back as it's designed to attach to the cannon. Alternately the toy can be transformed to its artillery cannon-like Battle Mode that has him essentially performing a belly flop, letting the launcher fire forward. At least, according to the Battle Mode's official depiction on the instructions.

: The image of the cement mixer mode on the packaging has been flipped horizontally, leaving the location of the ladder switched. Additionally, the robot mode image on the packaging has a different mold for the mixing drum shells, with rectangular-shaped pegs rather than circular.

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*'''Back Road Brawl''' (Figure multi-pack, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Missile

:Available only in the [[Toys"R"Us]]-[[exclusive]] "Back Road Brawl" figure pack with [[Hoist (Movie)|Hoist]], this release of Mixmaster features a new head that was gang-molded to Mixmaster, but until now went unused. His colour scheme has been extensively [[redeco]]ed in a layout resembling the [[Generation 1]] [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. He is decorated with a small [[tampograph]] reading "Ol' Lefty", a reference to how Generation 1 [[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] formed [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]'s left leg.

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====Combiner Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF_Devastator_combiner_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|My arms don't hurt anymore.... Wait.... WHERE ARE MY ARMS!?!?!?!?!?!]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (2009)

:The Mixmaster component of the Devastator set becomes Devastator's head. He contains the lights and sounds for Devastator, as well as individual sounds for his vehicle mode. They are motion activated, which means he never, ever shuts up. As with the other Constructicon members in this set, Mixmaster does not have his own robot mode. To activate sounds (if you're willing to do so, that is), press down on a lever on Devastator's chest. Doing so will raise Devastator's mighty head and open his mouth, and cause one of a myriad of sounds to play, including: "I am.... DEVASTATOR!" "CRUSH... AUTOBOTS!" "MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" "i am...DECEPTICON!". In Devastator mode, pressing the button doun for a few moments also activate's tha "vortex grinder". Transforming him back into his own component activates the transformation sound when the face cover is pulled from the underside of his truck mode, after that, he randomly starts making engine stalling noises whenever you look at it funny.
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====Mega Power Bots====
[[Image:ROTF MegaPowerBots Devastator.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Sometimes it's just Orange Day.]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (2009)
: [[Mega Power Bots]] Devastator is a simple toy for younger children, featuring plenty of playing sounds and flashing lights. His limbs have limited swivel articulation and do not detach into separate vehicles. He has a distinctly more humanoid stature than normal.

: Unlike regular [[Power Bots]], and unlike other portrayals of the character in general, Devastator features a transformation! It consists of putting his arms up and laying him flat on his stomach, which lets him roll around using the wheels on his limbs.

: Pressing down the Decepticon shield on his crotch (!) spins the vortex in his chest, lights up his eyes and makes him utter one of many Welker-recorded phrases, including [[Transformers: The Movie|"Prepare for extermination!"]], "Crush Autobots!" and "I am Devastator!" Pressing on the crane of his excavator arm makes a cannon blast sound effect, while pressing the cab of his loader arm turns the scoop into claws.

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==Merchandise==
===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesironhidemixmaster.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Hi, I'm Mixmaster, and I'm extremely pleased to be your villain this evening.]]
*'''Ironhide and Mixmaster''' (2009)
:Part of the second wave of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' portion of the ''Robot Heroes'' line, Mixmaster is a new sculpt that comes with a [[redeco]] of the first ''Robot Heroes'' [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]].

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*'''Desert Devastation''' (Multi-pack, 2009)

[[Image:rotf_desertdevastation_rh.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Munchy!]]

:Mixmaster is the sculpted head of "Desert Devastation" Devastator, a super-sized ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' figure. He is only available in a multi-pack with [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] in their vehicle modes and [[William Lennox]].
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===RPMs—Robot Powered Machines===
====Commander Series====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Mixmaster.jpg|thumb|300px|Proudly covering his ears.]]
*'''Mixmaster''' (2009)
*''Number:'' 4

:[[Robot Powered Machines|Mini-Vehicle]] Mixmaster is a small non-transformable mixing truck with his robot mode sculpted on the vehicle's underside.

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==Trivia==
*According to [[Ben Procter]]'s [http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ben_procter_rotf_12.jpg concept art], Mixmaster originally had a ''friendly'' face based on that of actor [http://www.giratempoweb.net/gallery/data/media/14/Brendan_Gleeson_1.jpg Brendan Gleeson]... and was apparently going to be an ''Autobot''. The early head design was actually put to use in the Generation 1 [[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]]-themed [[redeco]] store exclusive.

*Apparently, a definitive and solid configuration for the Voyager Mixmaster toy's Battle Mode IS possible, for if one were to look carefully, one can see several design elements present in the toy that are indicative of a (most likely) thoroughly planned out transformation for the third mode. Unfortunately, none of these design elements are alluded to ''at all'' in the instructions, leaving many with nothing but guesses as of how it all fits together. Or in most cases, complete disregard for this mode altogether. But this does open the door for a lot of fanmode interpretations of this mode, however, which is always good.

*According to the subtitles on the Revenge of the Fallen DVD, Mixmaster says "Listen up!" before changing to his battle mode. No voice actor is listed in the end credits, though.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/Mixmaster/mixmaster.htm Mixmaster at TFU.info]

[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Constructicons]]
[[Category:Triple Changers]]

Brianne Drouhard

2010-01-16T16:49:30Z

J'mie: Changed tense from present to past re: working on TF Animated

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'''Brianne Drouhard''' (1980- ) is an American artist and character designer. She has done designs for series such as ''My Life As A Teenage Robot'' and ''Teen Titans'', and worked as a freelance character designer on ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]''.

Her artwork is '''ridiculously adorable''' and will melt your heart, even if [[Shockwave (Animated)|you don't have one.]]

She owns at least one [[Skippy|cat]].

==Character designer==
*[[Carly Witwicky (Animated)|Carly Witwicky]]
*[[Glyph (Animated)|Glyph]]
*[[News Bot]]
*Various outfits for [[Sari Sumdac]]

==Character design credits==
*[[Transform and Roll Out!]]
*[[Home Is Where the Spark Is]]
*[[Along Came a Spider]]
*[[Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found]]
*[[Headmaster (episode)|Headmaster]]
*[[Nature Calls]]
*[[Velocity]]
*[[SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy]]
*[[Sari, No One's Home]]

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==External links==
*[http://www.briannedrouhard.com/ Brianne Drouhard's website]
*[http://potatofarmgirl.blogspot.com/ Brianne Drouhard's blog]
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2159880/ Brianne Drouhard] at the Internet Movie Database

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[[Category:Designers]]

Talk:Reader's Digest

2010-01-10T13:55:48Z

J'mie: Dorling Kindersley

== Bagel making? ==
Unless I'm missing a subtle gag, Dorling Kindersley is a UK-based imprint of Penguin Group(the book company) rather than a bagel company. BradyGames who do the TF video game strategy guides is also part of DK. [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 08:55, 10 January 2010 (EST)

Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac

2009-10-12T21:42:26Z

J'mie:

Book in hand... we have to disambig "Solon Kitakaze". This thing is awesome. :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:28, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY YOU GUYS the number of things that get obscure in-jokey referential names will implode the wiki it is awesome - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:39, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::I wasn't gonna buy it, but now... And they reference Solon? Really? It warms my heart whenever its obvious that the official Transformers people are reading out wiki (especially when its articles I wrote!). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:09, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Solon's not the half of it!! Solitarium! Death's Head! The Twilight! [[Eddie Fairchild and Matt Conroy]] for pete's sake!! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:44, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Damn. I'm going to have to get that book. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:30, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:I AM MAKING SWEET SWEET LOVE TO THIS BOOK RIGHT NOW --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:15, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::Well, when you guys are done sodomizing your copies, please make an article to accompany this talk page. I won't be able to get mine until next week. :( --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:34, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
Considering the book is by Sorenson, I'm not really surprised by any of this! -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 15:08, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::About one-third of the book's pages are ''bathed'' in Cybertronix. Given what they just came out and said in the book--what with SKY-BYTE AND EVERYTHING ELSE--I literally cannot even imagine what might fulfill their own standard of a "hidden Easter Egg" to be encrypted in another language. Aaiiiiieee. Also, I fucking call dibs on writing up the Visionaries reference. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:57, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::::"The Swiss bank account number of the Bavarian Illuminati".
::::Is that just a joke on our part or did the writers go crazy? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:59, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::That was just a joke, presumably as a proxy until someone actually starts work on translations. Believe you me, I don't intend to run afoul of the Bavarian Illuminati ... again. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:06, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::OK.....
:::::: *takes two drinks* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:28, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Ah'm doin' translations tonight! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::oh sweet jesus this is going to take forever - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:21, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::For the love of.... the first bit of Cybertronix is the introduction from the instruction manual of the 1988 video game, "Wasteland". My head is fit to explode. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:46, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Sorenson, you've played Wasteland? I must worship you now. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:59, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

Does this book give the names of all the Starscream clones BTW? Considering the toy bio for Sunstorm at least has been a source of confusion.. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 16:32, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, all the clones are named now.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:33, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::I will take your answer to mean, yes "Sunstorm" is in the Almanac and yes it identifies the show sycophant clone as "Sunstorm." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:06, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

== Annotations ==

Got 'em done. [http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotated_almanac.html check 'em out] on this rather unglamorous bit of webspace; if anyone's feeling very brave, they might try and add some of this to the article. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:40, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:The DS9 pilot was just "Emissary", no "The" (originally shown, and presented on the DVD, as a single double-length episode). "The Emissary" was a '''TNG''' episode, stardate (per MΑ) 42901.3. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:59, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Also, note the "-" in front of the universal stream indicator for the writers. That means they're from a Shattered-Glass-like negative polarity universe! (I suspect Quadwal or whatever is the "real life" universe, which would work hand-in-hand with it being a "live performance" stream. Note that the authors are criminal versions of themselves, which again seems right considering the negative polarity.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:07, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oh, and you got your Archa Nine and Archa Seven switched. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:08, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Typo: "...Irwin Spoon, a journalist who appeared in a '''three-party''' story in Marvel UK's..."; three-part, yes? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:09, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:The Farscape monologue is from S1 & 2. It changed for S3, and again for S4. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:17, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::The ''Dune'' fan in me screams at the misspellings in "He is the Kwizatz Haderach He is born of Caladan And will take the Gorn Jabbar" (it's supposed to be "Kwisatz" and "Gom"). Is this how they're spelled in the actual song? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:44, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

Digimon FAQ? Haha. But anyway: "An observation of the events of the first issue of the Animated comic by the trans-dimensional Vector Prime" Please tell me there's a picture of ''Animated'' Vector Prime. Also, "The team is thrashed by real-life football team West Ham at Tigatron Stadium" This might be a reference to West Ham apparently being Furman's favorite <s>soccer</s> football team. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 03:45, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
: There is no art of Vector Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:19, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::I want this book so much right now. But I seriously need to try and ignore the stardate for "Babel": as much as I hate to say it, that episode still scares me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:27, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:Dude, McFeely? "Quadwal" as the universal stream is a joke. Quad=four. Wal=wall. "Fourth wall." It's the "real world." And it's not a negative universe, it's a negative number. 9/25/3760 ''BC''. That's the day calculated for Creation by adding up the ages of everyone in the Old Testament and subtracting back from the birth of Christ. (And it's a "live performance" because, uh, yeah.) FUCK ANYONE ELSE WHO POINTED THIS OUT ALREADY, IT'S FIVE AM AND I CAN'T SLEEP. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 04:52, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::I had already figured out that the date was probably referring to the day the universe came into existence (just forgot to actually mention that here like I'd meant to...), but I'd still been stumped on the "Quadwal" part. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:50, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::You may consider my mind officially blown. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:34, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
Are we not dealing with pointing out picture stuff? Like on page 171 there's a kid dressed like Destro (and another one dressed like a Joe?). Are the guys on 184 at the bottom (1-5) supposed to be anybody? Just curious. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 07:21, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Similarly, is it worth mentioning anywhere in the article (or associated articles) about the flip-book animated Pocketbot at the bottom right of the right-hand pages?
:::Also, having gone over the book, I am amazed you could read the Cybertronian writing enough to figure out what it said, Chris. Maybe my eyes are just that bad now, but a lot of it seemed far too faint to distinguish, never mind the large portions obscured by overlaid art. Did you get layered files from which to study or something?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 07:55, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Naw, I just turned on every light in the room and squinted at it like the dickens. I translated what I could of the very first two passages and googled them to see if they were referring to something, so when I discovered that they were straight transcriptions of other sources, I circumvented the obscured-by-art problem by just started translating some of the large visible patches of text and googling it to see what it said. Would you believe that typing patches of the final narration of Robotech into google gets you no relevant hits? Seriously, the only relevant hit you get for "his homeworld and his past" is now ''my fricking annotations''. As to pictures, I was focusing on getting the references added ''for the book'', rather than pre-existing ones from the show and comics themselves, which is what those kids dressed as Joes would be (that said, I shamefully admit I didn't spot them - I've still not, ahem, ''read'' the book fully and properly, and probably would have mentioned them just because that's ''awesome''.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:59, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:I used to work with Krista Kohlhausen. The likeness between the real person and the EMT character model is, well, perfect. There must be other people out there who look exactly like Derrick Wyatt's drawings too. Maybe he unwittingly creates them, like the narrator-author from "Stranger Than Fiction" who accidentally controls Will Farrell's life. Or maybe he ''wittingly'' creates them, like the author from "In the Mouth of Madness" who uses his simulacra people to summon Cthulhu. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:49, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

==References as a part of the article==
Now, I can hardly claim to be an unbiased party in all of this, but it seems to me that there is value in having a wikified list of references as a part of the article, rather than shunting people off-site to a web page that may or may not be there in perpetuity. I can't think of another instance of us saying that we shouldn't be codifying legitimate information because 'there is a large amount of it.' At worst we put that information in a sort of side-page, like we do with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] and whatnot. Also, the hyperlinked version allows one to more quickly navigate around, rather than having to laboriously type in each search term. Finally, I won't lie, I'm tickled pink to see a 25K list of just the Transformers references in this book.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:44, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree, plus there should also be a list of who got profiles like in [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|other]] [[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|books]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:09, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
::aren't references present in other stuff like Divide and Conqure (Real World and Transformers references both) and Nemesis Part 2 and RID episodes and linkage and so on?{{unsigned|71.148.38.190}}
:::Yeah, as is this article isn't nearly as informative or complete as many of it's counterparts. I DO understand the impulse not to go crazy over it as there is SO much awesome geekage that it'd be really easy to let the article become Godzillic. Still that's no reason to starve it into near uselessness either. A greater detail on the content, and list of profiles should be definite. I think a list of at least the TF references, kept as breif as possible should be VERY within the usual scope ot this wiki as well.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 13:28, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Agreed. Ever since Chris did the work on his annotated version, I've been urging him to wikify it and integrate it into the article.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:35, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Is this a consensus I see forming to add back in the wikified references? (Attempting to restrain myself ...) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:38, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Do both. Include references here, and link to Chris's external reference list. There will be overlap... but different eyes see different things, neh? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:41, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Works for me. "It's long" is no reason not to include something on the wiki. [[The Core#Notes|Just the opposite]], [[B.O.T. (episode)#Notes|in fact]]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:47, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

==Sandbox Discussion==

OK, I took a stab at a format that keeps readability but also incorporates the wikifying work already done. Check it out here: [[Jimsorenson/Sandbox1]]. Thoughts? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:21, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

I dig it. In situations like this, I ''love'' our articles being this informative.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:37, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, well, so do I, but I feel weird doing this myself. Note that, for references, I'm restricting myself to dropping in work that was already done by other. That is, even if it's "wrong" or incomplete or not what I was going for, I'm still just copying it and pasting it in.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:45, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well Jim, if something is ''wrong'', do let us know! Don't want to spread misinfo! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:52, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I concede that this will look better than the more sparse approach I'd previously suggested. I just feel a little weird about basically outing ALL the in-jokes in the book.... though it ''is'' why we're here. Go for it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:56, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::OK, I think I'm done ... thoughts? The references in chapter 4 were just too dense. For the real-world stuff, I figured I'd break it out into a sub-page. For Garbage O's, Venus and the Detroit Powell Press, all fairly reference-dense, I figured it'd be enough for the references to be on their own pages. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:12, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm thinking we might want to trim some of the reference explanations for brevity's sake... since we link to the things being referenced anyway. For example, "''In addition, he calls it a “[[Seafood Louis]] creature”, after the crab salad notable among Transformers fans for having been served at several BotCons.''" could probably be trimmed to just ""''In addition, he calls it a “[[Seafood Louis]] creature”.''" what with the link. A little bit of that here and there can really trim things nicely. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:42, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree with you completely. That said, that takes us into an area that I'm not comfortable editing. All I've been doing was grabbing wiki code from the edit by Bishbot, which was in turn just a wikified version (more or less) of Chris McFeely's annotations. If there is to be further trimming here, I think that it'd be best done by someone more objective.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:47, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thoroughly understandable. I'll give a go at em. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:49, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::If anything, at this point I'd say there's enough support to move this material to the main article, and let everyone hone it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:51, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Scans ==

Could some people who have the book upload scans of it? like for example for blackaracnia's page we could have the character model for Blackarachnia so why not?
--[[Special:Contributions/92.238.187.82|92.238.187.82]] 11:37, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:Er, we already have 90% of the character models uploaded?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:05, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well, a lot of what the wiki has up is style guide art, not character models. However, the principles of fair use still apply - a few excerpts here or there are fine, but scanning in everyone's character model and posting them is definitely not fine. It is not necessary for the wiki to have everyone's character model posted here.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:18, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Hmmm. You leave me wondering, what is "style guide art" and how does it differ from character models? Does the wiki need a "style guide" page? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::::By my uneducated estimation, a "character model" would be a static pose of the character, standing still, arms at sides, designed to straightforwardly illustrate the details of their bodies so that they animators and artists can draw them correctly. If what we have on the wiki is "style guide" art, then that would appear to be art that gives off personality and character - observe Prowl's ninja-pose, or Bulkhead's crossed arms, they give off plenty of character, but obscure chest details that artists would need to render the character properly. - McFeely, not signed in
:::::Bingo. [[:Image:AniBlitzwingPromoModel.jpg|Blitzwing's character model]] vs [[:Image:AniBulkheadPromoModel.jpg|Bulkhead's style guide artwork]]. Character models are used by animators and comic book artists so that characters can be drawn in a uniform way. The style guide imagery is generally given out to other licensees and is (I believe) designed to convey both the character's design and their basic personality. The art is designed so that it can be just dropped in place and look cool, which isn't something that character models need to accomplish.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:48, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

Offhand, I'd say style guide images make for more evocative main images on character articles than straight-up character models. Given my druthers, I think we should use the less static pose where availability and layout permit.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

so eh does this mean we should upload scans or not? {{unsigned|92.238.160.72}}
:That's a big NO. (Aside from a small amount for fair-use.) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:18, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

== Vector Prime ==

Hi! I am reading the book right now and I do not understand the Vector Prime part. I understand that Primus is god so who is vector prime. Like why is he in here. I just do not understand transdimension thingies. Does anybody think they can explain it very simple that an 11 yr old can understand it.{{unsigned|76.23.202.3|17:27, 7 October 2009}}
:Hello. Vector Prime is a very, very old Transformer. He can see across many different dimensions. He looks in to the universe of Transformers Animated and watches some events, then writes down what he sees. Does that make sense?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:54, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::Specifically, we have an article on [[Vector Prime]] if you want to find out more about him!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:03, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
Oh Thanks! I did look on his article I really am just like wow! but now I get it so He is old and is a bot who sees everything.{{unsigned|76.23.202.3|18:11, 7 October 2009}}

== Defensor United ==

Pg 124 refers to Defensor United sports team. I remember the Marvel UK letters page referring to Cybertronian sports teams - e.g. "Bruticus All Blacks" is one I remember. Does anyone know if Defensor United was one of the other teams from that? [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 17:32, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Ok, never mind. Found it in the Mecha-Soccer page (thanks to the timely update of the Cybertron sports page by Jimsorenson that led me there!) [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 17:42, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac

2009-10-12T21:32:59Z

J'mie: /* Defensor United */ new section

Talk:Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers

2009-09-26T12:18:17Z

J'mie: /* "Companies" section? */

How about the statement that Metrotitan is made of the ghosts of dead Decepticons? I know I've heard that thrown around a time or two back in the day.... [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thats Violinjyger and it's true.

Alright, how about something about how G2 is G2 and everything after the movie, while technically a second generation, is not "G2" (although I recall hearing that Pat Lee regarded it as such).--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 22:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Addition to the Beast Wars Section: Black Arachnia was inspired by an Asian stripper ==

Can some please add this? The guy from Mainframe said (you can find his post on A.T.T.) that their animator, WHO IS OF ASIAN DESCENT, was taken to a strip club before he worked on BA's animation model. There was NEVER any mention of an Asian stripper by ANYONE from Mainframe, EVER!

== French Starscream ==

I went ahead and removed the entry about Starscream. First of all, while I don't know about Bigbot's reliability... the sound clips ARE legit. And the French source you pulled from TFW2005 referred to Starscream being male in the CARTOON (ie "episodes") rather than the movie itself, which used an entirely different dub team.

I'm French Canadian, all my ancestors came to Canada from France, between the ages of three and ten, I rented the movie in French every single time I was at my grandparents' house. So I know what I'm talking about here. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:I would also assume that the French fans interviewed to dispell that theory ALSO knew what they were talking about. And [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhOCYZRxypM this Youtube clip] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAodylu8rWw this other Youtube clip] don't make him sound very female to me. It's your word against both other French fans and evidence I just watched with my own eyes, man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno how many more bloody times I must say this, the French movie used a different dub team from either French dubs of the cartoon. I even pointed it out in Starscream's article. Yes, in the TV show he was a guy, but in the movie, the new dub team made him and Shrapnel girls. [http://www.bigbot.com/mp3/transformers_mp3.shtml#Femmes Listen to those clips for proof.] Those are legit from the TFTM I watched growing up. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::::I tried to get Nevermore to clarify on this when he made the changes, but he was unable to provide more info. Can you confirm that Starscream was characterized / referred to as female in the movie, along with the feminine voice? I think it's important that we clarify the myth as "partly true" rather than just delete it, but I want to be sure we have it all nailed down. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, aside from the obvious voice, Megatron says to Starscream "Tu es une imbécile." In English, "an idiot" would be used to refer to a male or a female idiot, but in French the article varies in gender, were Starscream a male he would have said "Tu es un imbécile." instead of "une imbécile". ([[Wiki:French_articles_and_determiners#The_indefinite_article|French articles and determiners]])
:::::Shrapnel being female is OBVIOUS from the fact that Kickback calls him/her "Mademoiselle Shrapnel", which translates to "Miss Shrapnel".
:::::I'm trying to locate video clips of the French dub of TFTM to have more than just sound clips but so far I haven't found any... not sure where I could find a VHS tape in this day and age either... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::For those wondering why Shrapnel's being mentioned here, you can read [[Talk:Shrapnel_(G1)|this link]], which is how this whole issue was brought up in the first place. But note that I've never questioned (for I've had no reason to do so) movie Shrapnel's femininity.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Repackaged old toys==
I think we should also have something on the notion that new-packaging releases of older toys are old unsold items taken back from store shelves, pulled from their cards, and RE-packaged onto new cards. I mean, this HAS to be bullshit. But I'm not sure of the best way to phrase it, since it's not a ridiculous argument that comes up very often. I wonder if Kyde has any insights on this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know that I've ''ever'' heard somebody claim that, but admittedly, I have been out of online TF discussions for a year or two, and have never read the web boards regularly. I think that unless this is something that actually comes up semi-frequently, there's not much reason to bring it up in the article. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::I've heard it said repeatedly that REDECOs are unsold toys that are sent back to Hasbro and repainted. Of course, I've only ever heard it said on Tformers. Those posters probably aren't competent enough to be held accountable for their actions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
::I've seen it several times over the course of years. Certainly more than I've seen "Shrapnel's a girl in France" and "Geman movie omitted Starscream's death"... which is never before the wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, what Siph said. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I've recently had a discussion with a common friend of ours, who is a longtime hardcore collector with inside contacts, and even ''he'' believed in the "repackaged toys are REpackaged in the literal sense" theory until I pointed out to him how expensive that would be. So I agree with Sipher here that it deserves a place on this page.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article?==
If we can get a few pictures... like the catalog image of blue-sided Bluestreak, Raiden in the Headmasters cartoon, a few other things... I think this page should have Featured status. It's important shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say all the reference links are going to need alternate text before we can safely call this a featured article.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

=="Confirmed" myths?==
Would it be worth it to add urban legends that are actually true? (I'm thinking here things like "Sunstreaker and Sideswipe's/Starscream and Skywarp's tech specs were swapped, there was a Unicron toy planned during G1 that had an Orson Welles voice chip, etc.) Some of those things almost reach the status of urban legends in the fandom (not as much as they used to, now that information is easier to come by, but still.) Also, we need to add "Armada was supposed to tie together all previous TF continuities" or whatever the dumb rumor was. Also, maybe something to explain exactly what the RTV dubs really are (made in Malaysia, not Singapore, did they REALLY air in Hawaii/Mexico/wherever as I've seen people claim, etc.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
: Also, "There was a Transformers breakfast cereal with Bumblebee-shaped marshmallows and when you poured milk on it, they changed from car mode to robot mode." A kid at my school SWORE he had eaten this. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

==TF:TM soundtrack evidence of "lost" scene==
The 10 seconds in question are from 02:29 to 02:39 in "Death of Optimus Prime" on the original soundtrack CD. There was at least one other release of the soundtrack, right? Can anyone check and see if the mysterious sequence is there too? Or, hell, if anyone has heard of DiCola giving an alternate explanation, please disabuse me of the whole notion. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

== Misconception? ==

"A misconception usually held by casual fans or nostalgic adults is that of the original 1980's cartoon being the best fiction and most influential/successful line to date, with all other successors being unpopular and/or unsuccessful ventures.
Some of this misconception is based on the fact that most of the original audience stopped watching and following the franchise after its cancellation, or even before (as it wasn't "cool" to be kiddy once the puberty hit). Without any exposure to the market, the toyline and the new cartoons, they simply assume that Transformers has sunk in both popularity, quality and sales, since it's not what they remember."

Any facts/sources to back this up? I'd bet that actual sales between the demise of G1 and Micheal Bay stepping in were significantly lower, which would seriously contradict what's being said here.

:According to lists that used to be published in Tomarts(?) magazine, Transformers has consistently placed in the top 3 boys toys properties since the beginning of Beast Wars. Robots in Disguise and Armada both reported record profits, though Energon and Cybertron didn't seem to match Armada's success. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
::How ''did'' Energon and Cybertron sell, anyway? It seems widely known that Armada sold like hotcakes, but nobody ever brings up the two sequels in that regard. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

==Team names and vowel breaks==
While I'm good with the "Seacons" inclusion... well, bot every Decepticon team had an "i" vowel break... like the Predacons. And not every team had a vowel break at all... like the Triggercons, and arguably the Firecons. On the other hand... were the Seacons the only ''two-syllable name'' team, where everyone else had three? Nothing else is springing to mind... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:Whether it's a "a" or an "i" is kinda moot; the point is that there ''was'' a break in all the teams before them. (FWIW, to a lazy Southern tongue like mine, the "i" and "a" are almost indistinguishable. It all comes out "uh-cons" regardless.) As for the contemporaneous Triggercons, there's no ambiguity in their name, as there's no vowel there to be misappropriated. Right or wrong, the extraneous "uh" in "see-uh-cons" comes from the "a" in "Sea". Last question: "Firecon" is only two syllables, innit? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::It's only two syllables if you're a dirty southerner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::I'm a Southerner, and I say it "Fie-er". Any rate, the point is the current entry says "all teams had 'i' vowel breaks". Which ain't true... I'm more inclined to believe it's a "three-plus syllables" pattern. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::(D'oh. Terrorcons!) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::::See, I think we should start calling the Pretender Monsters the Pretendicons, just to keep with the pattern. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

==Soundwave's buttons==
I think there are actually two separate issues at work here. I'd always been under the impression that G1 Soundwave underwent a running change in both the U.S. and Japan--going from the distinct, inset early buttons to the big protruding single chrome block later. After that change occurred, the mold was altered to turn it into Soundblaster. That was why Hasbro said at first they couldn't use the tooling anymore--because the door had been changed. The Takara bookbox reissue solved this by making a new version with a hybrid single door / late chrome button style, and also keeping another version with all of Soundblaster's features still around. Have I completely misunderstood the issue? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:35, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

== R-rating ==

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=40510

Huh.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:13, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Didn't they clarify that he was actually talking about Disturbia, Shia's OTHER PG-13 movie that came out that summer? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:19, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

== Plagiarizing ==

Yeah. [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9107] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9113] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9160] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9169] Awesome work stealing our content and adding your poorly written own stuff, sucker!--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:56, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:I like how he added his own dumb "conclusions", which mostly contradict the copy+pasted text and are just completely wrong too. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 17:38, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
::I've talked with some Brian guy over at that site, and he says he'll be deleting the blogs. Victoly? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:46, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Hasn't happened yet.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:58, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Surprise! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:48, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Looks like it's been removed.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:10, 31 July 2009 (EDT)

== "Companies" section? ==

I've seen the misconception that Tomy bought Takara (rather than merging with them on equal terms) thrown around quite a few times...What else could go into such a section?

Additionally, thise page has grown quite large. Should we split it?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:12, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

''Some toys were exclusively (or predominantly) available in the United Kingdom (sometimes also the Netherlands)''

As I understand it, one of the reasons why this one may have taken root is because when the franchise began Hasbro in the UK and continental Europe were not yet integrated and so the releases were separate - I think the UK may have even begun the toys in late 1984 (which would explain why the comic began in September that year rather than waiting for the toys advertised to arrive the next). Most of the sightings of toys being available in one market but not the other, though in my experience tend to be cases of the UK not getting toys seemingly available on the continent - e.g. issue #60 of the UK comic reports Blaster being available in Germany with German tech specs - rather than the other way round. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 08:04, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

Agreed. I saw Trypticon and Bruticus box-set on sale in Greece, and Deluxe Insecticons and Shockwave in France circa 1986. None of these were ever available in the UK. [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 08:18, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

Help:Official info

2009-08-27T23:01:21Z

J'mie: spell!

'''TFWiki''' has a policy that information about upcoming toys or media be ''officially'' released before it is fit for inclusion on this wiki. There are 4 reasons for this.

# Such information (charmingly called "scoops" on many news sites) is almost always based on stolen prototypes or leaked scripts, and TFWiki doesn't feel that is legitimate behavior, and that any information obtained this way is dubious at best.<ref>You can probably add "Legal concerns about stolen information—and assets!" in here too, but we don't expect to move you with that argument.</ref>
# Things are subject to change, and thus early information may not reflect the final product—in fact, it stands an excellent chance of ''misrepresenting'' the final product.
# Information obtained this way is often flat-out '''wrong''' due to the scooper's ignorance or lack of context. The information is almost always ''incomplete'', with guesswork to fill in the gaps, but no clear indication what part ''is'' guesswork.
# This information is '''inevitably''' posted on TFWiki as "fact", with no citation for the source from which it came. Because some of this information ''inevitably'' proves to be to be wrong, this harms the overall accuracy of this wiki.

TFWiki is for information, not disinformation. Stolen, subject-to-change, misinterpreted and badly translated scoops are not "information" because they have a much higher potential to ''mis''inform than to inform. Including such pseudo-information on this wiki as fact legitimizes the info while hurting us. To hell with that.

In summary, TFWiki has decided not to include information from stolen toys and media for ethical reasons, concern that it may not be final, and reasons of general accuracy/stupidity.

==What constitutes ''official'' information?==
Simply put, anything coming either ''directly'' or indirectly from [[Hasbro]] and/or [[TakaraTomy]], or from other official parties such as (currently) [[IDW Publishing]], [[Paramount Pictures]], [[Cartoon Network]], [[Fun Publications]] or other companies officially involved with the Transformers brand.

What's important is that this information should have been ''cleared through official channels''. [http://www.hasbro.com Hasbro's website] is a valid source, as is [http://www.idwpublishing.com IDW's]. Preorder and inventory listings from established retailers, such as [http://www.toysrus.com Toys "R" Us] or [http://www.amazon.com Amazon], are also fair game. Information revealed by individuals involved in the production of Transformers, ''if it's revealed in an "official" venue'' (such as a printed article or a convention panel) counts, but your behind-the-scenes talk with [[Aaron Archer]] at [[BotCon]] does not count.

'''Official information does ''not'' negate this Wiki's [[Transformers Wiki:Spoilers|spoiler policy]]!'''

==So what is ''unofficial'' information?==
To put it simply, any information *not* gleamed from the aforementioned sources shouldn't be here. If you heard it from a friend, and that friend heard it from his friend, then you'd best do some more research before you post it here.
==Other things to note==
===Stolen toys are bad===
The [[Fandom]] has a long, arduous history with toys winding up on eBay months before their shelf-dates.

This behavior is widely tolerated in Transfandom, but '''TFWiki''' isn't one of those places. Why? For starters it's illegal in the purest sense of the word. These toys or prototypes were stolen from their rightful owners and resold on the black market to people willing to pay extra for the thrill, status or collectible value of something they are not supposed to have. People can and do lose jobs over these things. Those who buy knowing what they're purchasing is stolen are complicit in this cycle and, though it's seldom enforced, their actions are outright illegal and demonstrably actionable.

TFWiki exists in a legal gray area of safe-harbor laws, diffuse responsibility, crowdsoursing, ''de minimis'', ostensible fair use, selective interpretation of the phrase 'derived work', not-for-profit status and the legal vagueness<ref>It is not actually vague, people just pretend to misinterpret it so they can claim "good faith."</ref> surrounding the extent to which organized collections of facts can be copywritten. We see Hasbro<ref>Insert snide 'but not Takaratomy' joke here.</ref> as a silent partner who does not give us legal hassles and for whom we, in turn, look out for their best interests.

That includes things like:
# Attempting to respect, recognize and reaffirm Hasbro's copyright and trademarks, and encouraging such best practices, thus protecting Hasbro's intellectual property from erosion and de-valuation while still sharing the keeping it open for use.<ref>Every time a picture is used without a copyright notice and Hasbro fails to issue a cease-and-desist letter, their ownership of that image erodes just a little bit. Yes that's stupid, but it's how copyright works.</ref>
# Discouraging people from stealing tens of thousands of dollars of Hasbro's property rather than rewarding such behavior.
# Not encouraging piracy of Transformers media (movies, DVDs, comics etc.) which is available for legitimate purchase.
# Exercising reasonable restraint to shield people reading this wiki from being exposed to things that would reduce their enjoyment of the Transformers brand, such as [[Transformers Wiki:Spoilers|spoilers]], [[Transformers Wiki:Policies#Glossary|weeaboo]], deaf-discriminators, the 2004 [[Energon (cartoon)|Energon cartoon]], [[wikipedia:The_Color_Purple|the color purple]], excessive negativity, Japanese character development and insufficient negativity.

In 2008, when literally dozens of each of the [[BotCon 2008]] toys began showing up on eBay, [[Brian Savage]] put his foot down and threatened legal action against the ''buyers'' as well as the sellers if the toys were not returned to him, on the ground they were knowingly receiving stolen property. He officially confirmed what had long been suspected, these toys were not 'lunch hour specials' (extra toys produced 'off the books,') but had in fact been stolen from the ''very'' limited production run he paid for, which had been delivered short. Because the per-unit production cost of Botcon toys is significantly higher, literally ''tens of thousands of dollars'' worth of merchandise— which had been paid for— has been stolen.

But even if all that ''wasn't'' the case we'd still probably be against posting info from stolen sources. Because it's '''wrong'''. Remember "wrong?" This is not a complicated morally-ambivalent situation filled with shades of gray. "Stolen" is the key word.

Another side effect of stolen toys sold on auction sites is that the sellers, lacking context (intended toyline, purpose, character's name etc.), occasionally guess a name, or make one up on the spot. This name is then taken as gospel by fan sites, even though it can occasionally turn out to be ''awfully'' wrong.<ref>At one point everyone believed that ''[[Alternators]]'' [[Decepticharge]] was going to be [[Drag Strip]]. Lacking context, someone suggested a name which was then taken as confirmation by others ("someone said it, so it must be true").</ref>

===Changes from true to false and back again===
At one point all of the below were true. Only ''one'' turned out to be ''correct''.

<strike>[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] is gonna be a helicopter in the movie!</strike> 
<strike>There's gonna be a Decepticon helicopter called "Grimlock" in the movie!</strike> 
<strike>There's gonna be a Decepticon helicopter called "Vortex" in the movie!</strike> 
<strike>There's gonna be a Decepticon helicopter called "Devastator" in the movie!</strike> 
<strike>There's gonna be a Decepticon helicopter called "Incinerator" in the movie!</strike> 
<strike>There's gonna be an Autobot [[Evac (Movie)|coast-guard helicopter]] in the movie!</strike> 
There's gonna be a Decepticon helicopter called "[[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]" in the movie!

Listings in US (and occasionally also foreign) retailers' computers are often cited, but this information can also be wrong, and ''stay'' wrong.
<ref>In 1999, Wal-Mart's computers had a listing for a [[Transmetal 2]] "Kangaroo" that ultimately turned out to be [[Jawbreaker#Trivia|Jawbreaker]], a ''hyena''.</ref><ref>[[Poison Bite|Poison Bite]] and [[Razor Claw]] also had alternate names listed.</ref><ref>The ''[[Alternators]]'' Mazda RX-8 ([[Jazz (G1)|Meister]]) as "[[Camshaft (G1)|Camshaft]]", Ford Mustang ([[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]) as "[[Freeway (G1)|Freeway]]", and an unspecified Mitsubishi, among other things.</ref><ref>The not-[[Micromaster|Micromaster]] ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Constructicon Devastator (Ultra)|Constructicon]] redecos of the ''[[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Build Team]] listed as mass retail releases on Wal-Mart's website, even though the toys were eventually released as Target [[Exclusive|exclusives]].</ref>

This doesn't negate the point of this article, however. It simply means that one has to be careful with information released by official sources (which might even contradict each other). Official information still has one advantage over unofficial information: It is intended for the public and has a - presumably reliable - official party to be held responsible for the accuracy of the information in question.

==The bottom line==
The above guidelines are ''not'' to be taken as strict legal rules that are tightly enforced ''regardless of circumstance''. There are cases where information that falls into the above descriptions can be used on this Wiki, but only under certain conditions.

For example, stolen [[Prototype|prototypes]] that are different from the final toy can be cited as evidence for changes in the development
process of said toy. '''After the toy has been officially released.''' Likewise, leaked concept art, scripts etc. for episodes or movies can be
cited as evidence to make a point, or to point out changes in the plot, '''after the episode or movie in question has been officially released.''' In those instances, companies are a lot less likely to go after sites posting the information in question simply because it doesn't affect a still-in-development product anymore.

Stolen prototypes can also be cited as evidence for planned toys that never came out, if it can be '''reasonably assumed''' that the toy is not going to be released anytime soon anymore. Evidence for a canceled release are:
* Hasbro officially declares the line the toy has been intended for to be over.
* A considerable amount of time (like, two years or more) has passed since the stolen toy has surfaced for the first time, and there has still been no official word on it.
* Hasbro officially confirms that the toy in question has been canceled (thereby also officially confirming its existence, for that matter).

In some instances, knowledge about stolen prototypes for toys that never got released has actually led to the toy in question getting released [[Transformers Collectors' Club|through a different venue]] after all due to explicit fan request.

As stated above, there is no clear ruling on when information about a stolen toy, or a leaked script, or whatever else becomes sorta-okay for this Wiki. ''Reasonable restraint'' on the individual editor's behalf should be the primary guideline to decide whether knowledge about possibly canceled (or already sorta-released) products ''is no longer likely to affect a still-upcoming product.''

Still can't decide? Ask yourself:

Has the information been officially confirmed by Hasbro, Takara or another official party ([[Cartoon Network]], [[Paramount Pictures]], [[Fun Publications]], [[IDW Publishing]], Japanese hobby magazines, online retailers, etc.)?
# If yes: Will it spoil an upcoming plot (comic, cartoon episode, movie etc.)?
## If yes: Follow the [[Transformers Wiki:Spoilers|official spoiler policy of this Wiki]].
## If no: Share the news! Please mind the [[Transformers Wiki:Copyrights|copyrights]], and ''please'' mind your grammar.
# If no: Has a reasonable amount of time passed since whenever the information was to be announced?
## If yes: You ''may'' add it to this Wiki as long as you respect the corresponding copyrights and have taken the necessary steps to ensure that it will ''really'' not affect an upcoming product anymore.
## If no: '''Don't post it to this Wiki.'''

==References==
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[[Category: Help]]

Talk:Easter egg

2009-08-27T22:55:16Z

J'mie:

== Confusion ==

"Option #1 means that it was Aero Raid in the crowd, even though the writer/artist almost certainly intended it to be Air Raid. This is an argument ''against'' author intention, essentially saying "the story says what it says, and if Bush didn't know what he was saying... well he still said it." Er... I don't get it. What is this saying, exactly? [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 00:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Er, this page seems more like a rant against Dreamwave rather than a useful page. Does it help the wiki at all? [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 18:55, 27 August 2009 (EDT)

Omnicon

2009-08-16T22:09:34Z

J'mie: changed 'Omnicron' spelling to Omnicon

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig2|the Energon subgroup|the Generation 1 subgroup|Omnibot}}
:''The Omnicons are an [[Autobot]] subgroup in the ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

The '''Omnicons''' are [[Transformer]]s, larger than [[Mini-Con]]s but still fairly small, that have the ability to handle and process raw [[Energon (Energon)|energon]]. They can convert this substance into useful tools and weapons, or into [[Energon star]]s.

The known Omnicons are

* [[Arcee (Energon)|Arcee]]
* [[Offshoot (Energon)|Offshoot]]
* [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]]
* [[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]]
* [[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]]
* [[#Attacktix|Omnicon]]

==Fiction==
===''Energon'' cartoon continuity===
There are hundreds of identical Omnicons, and large squads of them with identical body types are very common. However, they are not drones, but individuals with full capabilities for independent thought. They are led by Arcee, who has a unique bodyframe among the Omnicons.

===Dreamwave ''Energon'' comics continuity===
The Omnicons came about during " a time of expansion" on Cybertron, in the wake of Unicron and Megatron's defeat. They had "underdeveloped" social skills according to [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]], along with a tendency to preface anything they said with "CRZ" or "ZRT" or something.

==Toys==
===''Energon''===
[[Image:Energon Arcee toy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Arcee]]
[[Image:Energon Skyblast toy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Skyblast]]

* '''Omnicons''' (2003-2004)
** [[Arcee (Energon)|Arcee]]
** Arcee Paradron Type
** [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]]
** [[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]]
** Energon Strongarm (redeco)
** [[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]]
** [[Offshoot (Energon)|Offshoot]] (redeco of Signal Flare)

:The Omnicons, along with their counterparts the [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcons]], were sold carded, and filled the $7 price point previously filled by the [[Mini-Con|Mini-Cons]] in ''Armada''. They transform into futuristic/fanciful Earthen vehicles. Each comes with a translucent colored "Energon weapon", which can be combined and assembled in multiple configurations. The Omnicons and Terrorcons marked the return of the Basic [[Size class|size class]] in practice if not in name, which had not been part of the ''Armada'' toyline.

===Attacktix===
[[Image:AttacktixOmniconS1.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Rosenkrantz]]
*'''Omnicon''' (Booster, 2006)

{{attacktix
|ID=TF02
|faction=Autobot
|class=Trooper
|special=Battle Cry - 6/26 (23%) success ratio
|cost=10
|speed=4
|attacktype=Shooter (Small Missile)
}}
{{-}}

: Part of the first Transformers ''[[Attacktix]]'' assortment, Omnicon is a "generic" figure based on the [[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]]/[[Offshoot (Energon)|Offshoot]] body design, in mainly black and bronze. Omnicon has 4 points of articulation; waist, head and shoulders. While he is a small-based figure he is capable of creating an effective defensive tripod -- that is, supporting himself with his missile-launching arm.

:Omnicon's special power allows you to make an extra attack on your next turn if you have an Autobot figure in play.

{{-}}

*'''Skyblast''' - robot mode (Starter Set, 2006)
*'''Skyblast''' - vehicle mode (Starter Set, 2006)

*'''Arcee''' (Booster, 2007) - unreleased
*'''Strongarm''' (Booster, 2007) - unreleased

[[Image:AttacktixOmniconS2.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Guildenstern]]
*'''Omnicon''' (Booster, 2007)

{{attacktix
|ID=TF02
|faction=Autobot
|class=Trooper
|special=Shootback
|cost=10
|speed=4
|attacktype=Shooter (Small Missile)
}}
{{-}}

:Part of the "on indefinite haitus" second wave of Transformers ''Attacktix'', this [[redeco]] of the original Omnicon piece was to have been a "Rare" Booster piece sold in randomly-packed two-packs.

{{canceledtoy}}

{{stub|Fiction, storylinks, pics}}

[[Category:Attacktix]]
[[Category:Autobot subgroups]]
[[Category:Energon]]
[[Category:Mass-produced Transformers]]
[[Category:Omnicons| ]]

Predacon (BW)

2009-08-09T12:53:41Z

J'mie: spelling

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{{disambig3|Predacon}}
:''The Predacons are a faction in the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] continuity.''

[[Image:Predacon symbol.png|right|180px|thumb|You know they're evil. Their icon could poke out an optic.]]
Arising from the ashes of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], the '''Predacons''' are, at least in part, descendants of the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]], born from what remained of the original five [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. By order of the [[Pax Cybertronia]], they exist as something of an underclass, appearing to be equals, but firmly under the [[Maximal|Maximals]] in the social order. This has led many Predacons to hold bitter grudges against the Maximals.

When Predacons take beast modes, they tend to be dinosaurs, reptiles, insects, spiders, and similar "scaly/crawly things", though this is not a hard-and-fast rule.

The adjective for "of or pertaining to the Predacons" is '''Predaconial'''<ref>[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Maximal/Stinkbomb/stinkbomb.htm Predaconial]</ref>, though it is ''extremely common'' to simply substitute 'Predacon'.

{{quote|You do not know the Predacons. We—they ''live'' for the glory of conquest.|[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] to [[Tigatron]]|"[[Law of the Jungle]]"}}

:''Japanese name:'' '''Destrons'''
:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Prédators'''

== Origin ==
We do not know the origin of the Predacons, beyond the fact that they are descendants of the Decepticons. They were in existence and at war with the [[Maximal Imperium]] prior to the signing of the [[Pax Cybertronia]], at which time most laid down their arms, but a few went rogue.

One account says that [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] founded the Predacons ([[Predacon (G1)|reusing his old team's name]]) after the Decepticons defeat, and that they took the fight to Cybertron and could have won if the [[Tripredacus Council]] hadn't stolen control for themselves. {{storylink|BotCon 2009|Timelines Razorclaw's bio card}} Others have the Predacons and Decepticons co-existing for a time. {{storylink|The Razor's Edge}} {{storylink|Descent into Evil}} {{storylink|Beast Wars Sourcebook}} When [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is in a bad mood, he's said the Predacons came ''after'' the Great War. {{storylink|Code of Hero}} {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}

Unreliable accounts have it that the Predacons existed as far back as the 1990s, operating on Earth under ''a'' Megatron. {{storylink|Optimus Primal vs Megatron!}} {{storylink|Tarantulas#Toy Bio|Tarantulas toy bio}} Their way of life was to prosper or perish, and their leader swore they'd do this by driving the Maximals into extinction! {{storylink|Megatron (BW)/toys#Beast Wars|Megatron (1996) bio}} This may be [[Maximal Elder]] propaganda.

== Organization ==
The Predacons, although apparently governed by an organization known as the [[Predacon Alliance]], appear to be a splintered faction. One of the major ruling bodies is the [[Tripredacus Council]], but they may represent only one political voice within the Alliance. The Council keeps its followers pacified under the Pax Cybertronia with the promise of a slow, sly return to power, whispering of a long-term plan to overthrow the Maximals when the time is right. A number of Predacons have expressed dissatisfaction with this approach, leading renegades such as [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] and [[Magmatron]] to recruit private armies of followers and, either covertly or overtly, strike out against the Maximals on their own. All known Beast Wars-era Predacons tend to fall within the arms of these renegade militias, with the exceptions of [[Tarantulas]] and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], who were members of the [[Predacon Secret Police]], and the Tripredacus Council itself. It is unknown whether the Predacons have any sort of official standing army or defense force other than this internal Secret Police.

== Bases of operation ==
It is unknown where exactly the Predacons are based.

The Tripredacus Council holds meetings aboard a space station, [[Predacon Command Outpost One]].

While one would presume the Predacons also had some sort of presence on Cybertron itself, there's evidence to the contrary. After the Beast Warriors return to Cybertron following the events of Beast Wars, [[Optimus Primal]], Megatron, and others refer frequently to the missing population as Maximals only. This seems to suggest that they expected the number of Predacons on the planet to be negligible, if not zero. The only notable mention of Predacons in the series comes when [[Rattrap]] wonders what the murderous [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] would have been like if he'd been reformatted from a Predacon instead of the Maximal [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]].

In reality, the Predacons were excluded from the ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' show and toy line for fear of confusing children with a third faction. ''Beast Machines'' story editor and head writer [[Robert N. Skir]] suggests in his FAQ pages that the Predacons suffered the same fate as the Maximals.

==Note==
Most of the Predacons' [[Alternate mode|alternate modes]] from ''[[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' are vehicles instead of animals. While the Predacons from ''[[Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|Beast Wars Neo]]'' transform into prehistoric reptiles and animals such as Dinosaurs, Pterosaurs, and ammonites.

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Beast Era]]
[[Category:Beast Wars]]
[[Category:Beast Wars II]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Neo]]
[[Category:Factions]]
[[Category:Predacons]]

Talk:Petra

2009-08-08T17:05:52Z

J'mie: Patra?

Should there be a disambiguation line linking to [[Patra]], or is that silly? [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 13:05, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers (Titan Magazine)

2009-07-25T11:47:52Z

J'mie: Transformers Adventures digest book

== Publishing dates, or rather the lack of them ==

How come these Titan magazine articles lack publishing dates that our other comic issues have? Without them, I can't determine what came out first (thus determining the order of placement in fiction sections). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:06, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:Exact publication dates (well, official ones, some places get them a few days earlier) have been added for each issue except #1 (cos, er, I can't remember that one). --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 13:45, 22 May 2009 (GMT)

== ROTF ==

I can't wait to read the synopsis for these ones! If anyone bought a copy, could you post the synopsis for the first issue as soon as possible? Do they continue where the Movie 1 comics left off, or do they start a new story altogether? I need to know. Please, post synopsis soon! --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 14:05, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

==Move?==
Shouldn't this be at [[Transformers Comic]], like all of the individual issue articles? [[Talk:Transformers Comic issue 1#Article title|McFeely explained here]] why that is, and I see no reason why the same logic shouldn't apply to the main article as well. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:32, 5 July 2009 (EDT)

:Problem with that is that the title on the cover has changed twice and currently the indicia just calls it "Transformers". -[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 160:06, 15 July 2009 (GMT)
::I don't understand how that affects things. The individual issue articles, through both rebrandings and right up to [[Transformers Comic issue 2.2|the latest one]], are titled "Transformers Comic". If that's what we're calling them, then it doesn't make a lick of sense to call this article something different. Now, if you think we should change the individual issue titles to something else - or vary them depending on which rebranding they're under - then the case for this article does become murkier. But as long as we're sticking with a catch-all term, it should apply here too. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:21, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't want the article to be at "Transformers Comic" because it's so damn unhelpfully ''generic''.
:::(That's not a vote against per-se, because I'm in favor of standards... but I ''really'' feel like such a move would make the article harder to use-- at least insofar that it would become harder to find.)
:::We dump on 'Transformers' in many article titles because it's clutter... only retaining it when there's no better title to use. Since ''this'' is one of those times, I feel like there's almost a correlary imperative like... "if a [subject]'s only identifying name is ''Transformers'' and the resulting title, such as 'Transformers Card Game' could ''reasonably'' be expected to refer to more than one product (there are other TF card games, even if one is 'The Transformers Collectible Card Game') some form of clear disambiguation should be mandatory."
:::...but I dont' want to make that argument, because it does nothing but open a can of worms. '''Instead''' I'm going to go with Charles's argument; The comic has changes its title multiple times. The Dreamwave [[Armada (Dreamwave comic)|Armada]] and [[Energon (comic)|Energon]] comics have multiple articles to reflect the name change. If we think this is more ''minor'' than that, and all the different incarnations of the Titan comic should be covered by a single article then that article's title should not reflect any ''single'' title the Titan comic has had, but instead become a subject article, like "Dreamwave Unicron Trilogy comic" if we covered both series in one article.
:::I don't want us to become ''victims'' of the fact that there's 8-bazillion things just called "Transformers." And the proposed move seems to do that. If there's a consistent-with-our-policies way of doing something different, I'd strongly suggest pursuing that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:07, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::::All I'm saying is, it's confusing that [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)]] and [[Transformers Comic issue 1]] are referring to the same series. Both "Transformers (Titan Magazine)" and "Transformers Comic" are arbitrary choices on our part from several different options between the covers and indicia. There's nothing that makes one more applicable to the series-article and the other to the issue-articles. In suggesting that "Transformers Comic" win out, I was just going with the path of least resistance - moving one article instead of over two dozen. Whatever rationale is used, I don't care, just as long as we settle on SOMETHING. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:30, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::I would not be opposed to retitling the individual issues if we settle on a better naming convention. I agree that it's awkward to have them where they are, given that the comic keeps changing its name. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:03, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::If I had to make my own call on the matter, here's how I would do it: If a comic changes title but continues to advance in issue-numbers, then I say it's still a single series, and there should be one page for it. The title of the page should probably be the most recent title of the book, in the same way that we consider ''Universe featuring the Wreckers'' to be the "real" title of that series. Each individual issue, if it didn't have a story-title, would be titled with whatever its cover says. So indeed there would be a disconnect between some issues and the main series article, but at least it would be sensical, as opposed to the completely arbitrary disconnect we have here.
::::::So that means that in the case of this page, it would be called [[Universe (2008 comic)]], and it would not include any of the "Revenge of the Fallen" issues. Those would be on a new page called [[Revenge of the Fallen (comic)]]. The individual issue-pages would be [[Transformers (Titan) issue 1]], all the way up to #21. Then they would be [[Universe (2008 comic) issue 22]] and onward until the ROTF ones, which would be a separate series anyway.
::::::(And yes, this would also mean combining the DW ''Armada'' and ''Energon'' series-pages into one page. I'm in favor of that.)
::::::One more thing - Charles might know this: When did the indicia stop referring to the series as "''Transformers Comic''" in favor of just "''Transformers''"? If it was at the Universe/ROTF break, then that would be handy - all of the pre-ROTF issues and their series-page could be "Transformers Comic", while all the ROTF issues and series pages would be "Revenge of the Fallen (comic)".
::::::If I had to make the call.
::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:18, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I think keeping everything under a simple "Transformers (Titan Magazines)" is going to be easier and cleaner than splitting into two volumes and altering the title with each name change, but YMMV.
:::::::I've checked and the indicia never called it "Transformers Comic". The editorial at the front called it "Transformers Comic" in issues 1 and 2, as McFeely says (I thought the indicia had as well at some point but no). The indicia constantly calls it "Transformers" only. - [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 21:53, 18 July 2009 (GMT)

==Transformers Adventures==

What is the source of the info about a third volume - "Titan produces digest-sized collections of the UK strips under the title Transformers Adventures; two have come out with a third upcoming"? I recently asked about this on Furman's blog - http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/sdcc-09-1/#comments - but he said he didn't know about Titan's plans. Also, Vol.1 reprinted #1-6 and Vol.2 #7-13. Should that go on this page? [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 07:47, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

Titan Books

2009-07-25T11:37:55Z

J'mie: Added details on Titan Transformers Adventures Vol.1 and 2

In 2001, '''Titan Books''' acquired the rights to reprints of [[Marvel Comics]]' U.S. ''[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Transformers]]'' run, publishing the <strike>complete</strike> near-complete American series in several volumes of trade paperbacks and hardcovers. They have also released much of the Marvel UK material.

Their sister company, Titan Magazines, is currently publishing [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|a Transformers title]] based on the live-action films; it (very) briefly published [[Transformers Animated (Titan)|a tie-in to the Animated show]].

==Titan collections==
===U.S. collections===
'''''Transformers: [[Beginnings (disambiguation)|Beginnings]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #1–6 (UK #1–8, 22–25)

'''''Transformers: [[New Order]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #7–12 (UK #26–28, 33–40)

'''''Transformers: [[Cybertron Redux]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #13–18 (UK #51–58, 66–69)

'''''Transformers: [[Showdown (Titan)|Showdown]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #19–24 (UK #70–73, 89–92, 94, 95, 105, 106)

'''''Transformers: [[Breakdown (Titan)|Breakdown]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #25–30 (UK #107–112, 121–124, 126, 127)

'''''Transformers: [[Treason]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #31–32, #35–37 (UK #128, 129, 139–144, 154, 155); 
'''Omits:''' Marvel US #33–34 — Color reprint of Marvel UK's "[[Man of Iron!]]", not part of the ongoing storyline. ''This story isn't among the collected UK material either. Bizarre.''

'''''Transformers: [[Trial by Fire (Titan)|Trial by Fire]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''[[Headmasters (comic)|Headmasters]]'' #1–4, Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #38–39 (UK #130–145, 156–159)

'''''Transformers: [[Maximum Force]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #40–42, #44–45 (UK #162, 163, 174–179, 190, 191); 
'''Omits:''' Marvel U.S. #43 — Adaptation of "[[The Big Broadcast of 2006!]]", not part of the ongoing storyline. ''This story was omitted from the ''[[Space Pirates!]]'' collection too, despite that storyline being written around this issue. Bizarre.''

'''''Transformers: [[Dark Star (Titan)|Dark Star]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #46–50 (UK #192–197, 206–210)

'''''Transformers: [[Last Stand]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #51–55 (UK #211–220, 232–239)

''The titles listed after this point, written by Titan affiliate [[Simon Furman]], were the first Transformers collections printed.''

'''''Transformers: [[Primal Scream (Titan)|Primal Scream]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #56–62 (UK #240–254, 259–264)

'''''Transformers: [[Matrix Quest (Titan)|Matrix Quest]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #63–68 (UK #282–305)

'''''Transformers: [[All Fall Down (Titan)|All Fall Down]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #69–74 (UK #306–318)

'''''Transformers: [[End of the Road (Titan)|End of the Road]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers'' U.S. #75–80 (UK #319–332)

'''''Transformers: [[Dark Designs (Titan)|Dark Designs]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #1–6 (UK #3–5) 
'''Omits:''' Marvel ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #0 — Promotional issue taking place prior to #1, "[[Ghosts]]" was not part of the ongoing storyline. ''This story was also re-printed as a backup story in ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #2. It is not collected elsewhere.''

'''''Transformers: [[Rage in Heaven]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Marvel ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #7–12

===UK collections===
====Color====
These compilations are shown in chronological order (based on the first issue, note that many include stories published years after the title arc), the order in which Titan published these is as follows:
''Target: 2006'', ''Fallen Angel'', ''Legacy of Unicron'', ''Space Pirates'', ''Time Wars'', ''City of Fear'', ''Dinobot Hunt'', ''Prey'', ''Second Generation''.

[[Image:TitanDH.jpg|150px|thumb|Me Grimlock CRUSH puny wooden building]]
'''''Transformers: Dinobot Hunt''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #45–50, #74–77, 1986 Annual 
ISBN 1-84023-789-9
{{-}}

[[Image:TitanSG.jpg|150px|thumb|Fear the puffy arm of Superion]]
'''''Transformers: Second Generation''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #59–65, #93, #145, #198, 1989 Annual 
ISBN 1-84023-935-2
{{-}}

[[Image:TitanTarget2006tpb.jpg|150px|thumb|Mental wounds still screaming Driving me insane]]
'''''Transformers: Target: 2006''''' 
''Collects:'' Story arc from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #78–88 
ISBN 1-84023-510-1
{{-}}

[[Image:TitanPrey.jpg|150px|thumb|Jesus Christ, it's a Lion!]]
'''''Transformers: Prey''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #96–100, #103–104, #135, #136, 1987 Annual, 1989 Annual 
ISBN 1-84023-831-3
{{-}}

[[Image:TitanFA.jpg|150px|thumb|Bounty Hunters? We don't need their scum.]]
'''''Transformers: [[Fallen Angel (Titan)|Fallen Angel]]''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #101–102, #113–120, 1987 Annual 
ISBN 1-84023-511-X
{{-}}

[[Image:TitanLoU.jpg|150px|thumb|Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!]]
'''''Transformers: Legacy of Unicron''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #133–134, #137, #138, #146–153 
ISBN 1-84023-578-0
{{-}}

[[Image:TitanCoF.jpg|150px|thumb|We don't say the Z word.]]
'''''Transformers: City of Fear''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #132, #164–171, #188, #213–214 
ISBN 1-84023-671-X
{{-}}

[[Image:TitanSP.jpg|150px|thumb|Judge not, lest ye also shalt be judged]]
'''''Transformers: Space Pirates''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #160–161, #172–173, #180–187, 1987 Annual 
ISBN 1-84023-619-1
{{-}}

[[Image:TitanTW.jpg|150px|thumb|In my time of dying]]
'''''Transformers: Time Wars''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #130–131, #189, #199–205 
ISBN 1-84023-647-7
{{-}}

====Black & white====
These compilations are listed in chronological order based on the first issue included, however the stories are bound by subject matter as opposed to sequential order.

'''''Transformers: Fallen Star''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #215–218, #243–244, #248, #268, #270 and #284–286 
ISBN 1-84576-060-3

'''''Transformers: Way of the Warrior''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #219–222, #229, #237–239, #272–274, #282–283 and #249–250 
ISBN 1-84576-059-X

'''''Transformers: Aspects of Evil''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #223–227, #235–236, #240, #245–247 and #251–254 
ISBN 1-84576-055-7

'''''Transformers: Earthforce''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #228, #234, #261–267, #269, #271 and #278–281 
ISBN 1-84576-061-1

'''''Transformers: Perchance to Dream''''' 
''Collects:'' Stories from Marvel ''Transformers'' UK #230–233, #241–242, #255–260 and #287–289 
ISBN 1-84576-062-X

{{Note|These were the last UK stories to be solicited as Titan reprints. It was claimed that if they were successful they would finance future colour releases. Obviously this did not pan out. What is frustrating is that some stories (notably [[The Big Shutdown!]] and the [[Survivors]] saga), included within these volumes in black and white, had previously been reprinted within the original UK comics in colour.}}

==Non-Marvel collections==
'''''Transformers Adventures: (Vol. 1)''''' 
''Collects:'' Titan ''Transformers'' UK #1–6 
ISBN 1-84576-836-1 

'''''Transformers Adventures: (Vol. 2)''''' 
''Collects:'' Titan ''Transformers'' UK #7-13 
ISBN 1-84576-837-X 

==Uncollected material==
* ''[[G.I. Joe and the Transformers]]'' #1–4 — Marvel U.S.'s 1986 crossover. ''This story did not take place in the UK continuity.''
* ''[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Transformers Universe]]'' #1–4 — Marvel's character profiles.
* ''Transformers Universe'' (various) — Character profiles printed as backups throughout the Marvel U.S. run.
* "[[Man of Iron!]]", "[[The Enemy Within!]]", "[[Raiders of the Last Ark]]", "[[Decepticon Dam-Busters!]]", "[[The Wrath of Guardian!]]"/"[[The Wrath of Grimlock!]]", "[[Christmas Breaker!]]", "[[Crisis of Command!]]", "[[To a Power Unknown!]]" and "[[Ancient Relics!]]". It seems unlikely at this point that they will be reprinted, although a few of these were originally scheduled to be included in ''[[The Best of Simon Furman]]''.

==External links==
* [http://www.titanbooks.com/categories/us/universe-94-Transformers/ Titan Books: Transformers]

[[Category:Comics]]
[[Category:Companies]]

Talk:Terror! The Six Shadows

2009-07-24T22:03:09Z

J'mie: London?

Regarding the animation/technical errors: Just watched this episode on DVD. As a south-west Londoner, I'd say the London scene looks like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond_Park Richmond Park], which when I was last there was indeed fog-shrouded, and people do horse-ride. Give 'em a break!! [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 18:03, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

Withered Hope

2009-05-24T15:01:22Z

J'mie: missing word added

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[[Image:Witheredhopeinterrogated.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You are now dead. Thank you for using Stop-and-Drop, America's favorite suicide booth since 2008.]]
'''Six mysterious travelers unwittingly end up on Axiom Nexus.'''

==Synopsis==
An [[Doctor Braxis|old human man]], flanked by [[Leader-1 (GoBots)|one silver]] and [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|one red]] mechanoid, addresses the mixed crowd. The white-haired doctor explains that the source of their universe's [[Cataclysm (event)|Cataclysm]] lies in [[The Transformers (Marvel Comics)|another universe]]. On a screen, he displays video captured from the offending universe. Some event triggered by the transforming robots on the screen have done something to cause their timeline to split. This [[Classics (2006)|newly created universe]], the doctor explains, is what's overwriting the [[Tonka GoBots|GoBots]]' own universe. A team of GoBots must be sent to the new dimension to investigate.

In [[Axiom Nexus]], New Arrivals Coordinator [[Silverbolt (TransTech)|Silverbolt]] and subordinate [[Adventas]] witness a strange incoming stream that doesn't seem to be using [[Transwarp]] technology. This stream becomes tangled with another more usual stream carrying ten sentients. That is enough to push Silverbolt to order both streams brought in.

Six small Autobots and Decepticons stand on the platform, greeted by Silverbolt. The GoBots have disguised themselves in [[Transformer]] bodies. Silverbolt explains the circumstances to [[Path Finder]], [[Small Foot]], [[Road Ranger]], [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bug Bite]], [[Treds]], and [[Bad Boy]]. Not having landed where they expected, Path Finder requests an audience with [[Optimus Prime (TransTech)|Optimus Prime]].

After spending hours in interrogation, Path Finder and Bug Bite are granted a presence before Optimus Prime and the [[Senate]]. Bug Bite explains their situation, and [[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]] calls for Minister of Higher Dimensional Sciences [[Rhinox (TransTech)|Rhinox]] to comment. Rhinox quickly assesses the cause of the GoBots' Cataclysm to be the [[Unicron|Unicron Phenomenon]]. Despite this, Megatron insists that the [[TransTech]]s cannot interfere in the fate of other universes. In addition, the TransTechs consider the population of [[Gobotron]] a potential threat to their [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], refusing to allow the six to return home. As a consolation, the Gobotronians are left to live their lives in Axion Nexus.

Having lost Bug Bite in the Transwarp complex, the Gobots split up. Treads and Bad Boy search for Bug Bite, while Path Finder, Road Ranger, and Small Foot make their way to lodgings. Small Foot books some rooms at the [[Widow’s Café Cybertronian]]. [[Crystal Widow]], the weary-souled proprietor, gives a grim outlook on the GoBots escape from Axiom Nexus.

The next day, Path Finder attempts to fly out of the city, but is easily waylaid by [[Beam Rider]] and [[Skyquake (TransTech)|Skyquake]] and sent back to the designated traffic lanes with a warning.

Treds and Bad Boy, still searching for Bug Bite, stumble across a murder scene. [[Cheetor (TransTech)|Cheetor]] and his security officers are investigating the [[Comet|corpse]]. Treds realizes that the robot was killed by Bug Bite's hand-blaster. Cheetor informs the two GoBots that recently deceased was in the employ of [[Cryotek (TransTech)|Cryotek]]. He asks them to come with him to Cryotek's bar, [[The Blue Deployer]], thinking that they might glean some information from the visit.

After Crystal Widow finishes a conversation with a [[Escargon|mollusk robot]], Path Finder and Small Foot approach her. Although the barkeep still insists that there's no way for the GoBots to get out of Axiom Nexus so long as the TransTechs are keeping an eye on them, she does offer to help them acclimate to permanent life in the city.

Cheetor, Treds and Bad Boy enter The Blue Deployer and speak with Cryotek about his dead employee, Comet. Cryotek seems genuinely surprised about Comet's death, and doesn't have much information to offer. He mentions that Comet used to associate with the [[Malignus]] gang. Cheetor gives the GoBots a beacon and departs. Treds and Bad Boy decide to go looking for the Malignus gang.

Back at the Widow’s Café Cybertronian, Path Finder and Small Foot watch on as [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], a member of the [[Axiom Nexus Security Administration]], converses with Crystal Widow. Her partner [[General Demolishor]], with the Military Police, bursts in, preferring to hunt their quarry with more force. Airazor is miffed at Demolishor's lack of subtly. She suggests that the big TransTech brute ferret out their perp, the mollusk Escargon, by himself. The general stalks up the stairs, and moments later, the mollusk darts down the stairs. While Escargon frantically attempts to manipulate a [[Astro-Beam|box]] in his hands, Demolishor blasts a chuck of his head away.

Treds and Bad Boy find the Malignus gang. A [[Turbo|red sports car]] Malignus quickly sets off Bad Boy, who finally gets to show off his fighting prowess. Bad Boy gains the upper hand against the feisty car robot.

Airazor berates Demolishor for using such extreme methods, remarking that now they can't interrogate him about the location of the "passes". Searching the body, she finds the device he was holding. Path Finder and Road Ranger secretly recognize it as an Astro-Beam, realizing that Bug Bite must have used the device to escape the Transwarp complex. Demolishor recognizes the GoBots as "machines of interest" and accuses them of trading the device for the passes. A brief altercation is ended by Airazor distracting Demolishor with the legal technicalities of arrest.

Bad Boy, Treds, and the Malignus gang have buddied up, having earned a respect for each other. The car Malignus suggests that Bug Bite may have gone in for upgrades. The two make their way to [[Swindle, Swindle, and Swindle]] and discover that Bug Bite has adopted a new body. He seems to have used an Astro-Beam to escape the Transwarp complex, a temporary teleportation device that would return Bug Bite to the Transwarp complex eventually. Treds explains that Bug Bite has transferred the effect of the beam to his new parts.

Meanwhile, Airazor succeeds in convincing Demolishor that, since the GoBots have no sparks, they are property belonging to Crystal Widow. Demolishor storms out of the café in search of Bad Boy and Treds instead. Path Finder contacts the other two and warns them about Demolishor before hurrying off with Road Ranger.

Airazor explains that Escargon attacked some couriers and stole the passes they were carrying. The passes are no-questions-asked tickets out of Axiom Nexus. Airazor senses something in Crystal Widow and warns her not to not get involved, then flies away. Small Foot thinks Widow was holding the passes for Escargon, but Widow says she doesn't have them. Widow laments her life, stuck in Axiom Nexus, away from all her loves ones. Small Foot admonishes Crystal Widow for her pessimism, encouraging her to take an active roll in bettering her life and her world.

Treds and Bad Boy flee from Demolishor. Bad Boy wants to call Bug Bite and warn him, but Treds explains that Bug Bite must be gone by now. The Astro-Beam's effects have returned him to the Transwarp complex, and with the pass he got from Escargon, he would have left Axiom Nexus hours ago. Demolishor advances on the two GoBots. Bad Boy is knocked out, and awakens to find Path Finder and Road Ranger. Treds and Demolishor are gone. Path Finder calls Treds but Demolishor picks up. He demands they turn over the passes that he still thinks the GoBots bought from Escargon. Path Finder determines that he's waiting in the [[Heap]].

The Gobotronians arrive at the Heap, a massive field of refuse in the under-levels of Cybertron. After avoiding a few hazards, they free Treds from Demolishor. The large TransTech advances on the small cyborgs, but from nowhere, Crystal Widow arrives and encases Demolishor in an energon lattice. She extends her claw, using her energon manipulation powers to cause an energon blade to pierce his chest.

But even that cannot stop Demolishor, who blasts Widow. Road Ranger pelts the general with so much energy from his hand blasters that the GoBot's hands explode. A fierce battle ensues, with both Demolishor and the GoBots receiving damage. As a final valiant effort, Path Finder gathers scrap metal in her arms and engages her faster-than-light drive, stopping within five meters of the general, but releasing the scrap, shredding Demolishor. Severely wounded, Demolishor still plunders forward. Just as Path Finder is about to be crushed, Cheetor rushes to the rescue.

Another legalities-based conversation ensues that results in Demolishor's arrest. In regard to the passes, Demolishor was never authorized to have the passes issued or retrieved. Cheetor and Airazor agree that it's easier to say the passes were used than to deal with the resulting investigation, so the GoBots are awarded a free ride out of Axiom Nexus. Treds asks how Cheetor knew about the altercation. Bad Boy speaks up sheepishly, admitting that he's the one who called for help, using the signal device Cheetor gave him and Treds. Airazor hands over the passes and the Bug Bite's Astro-Beam that was confiscated from Escargon. Small Foot offers her pass to Crystal Widow, but Widow refuses, acknowledging that the GoBots' mission if of greater importance. Widow slyly calls in Airazor's bar tab so the GoBots can afford to get fixed up at Swindle, Swindle, and Swindle.

On Earth, in an alternate universe, [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] drags two bodies into a ship. A flash of light heralds the arrival of the five GoBots, who recognize one of the bodies as Bug Bite. The headless form get up, briefly scaring everyone, before attaching a replacement head to his shoulders. Bug Bite explains that he traveled 15 years into the past, looking for this universe's [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Believing him to be the cause of the Cataclysm, but only finding a [[Ark (G1)|crashed ship]] [[The Last Autobot?|in Canada]], Bug Bite bided his time. In lieu of his recent, unsuccessful attempt to overthrow Megatron (in service to the avoidance of the Cataclysm), Bug Bite agrees to return to the original plan with the other GoBots. And, a new group of GoBots has just arrived...

==Stats==
'''Writers:''' [[Greg Sepelak]] and [[Trent Troop]] 
'''Pagecount:''' 47pp 
'''Originally published:''' online exclusive for the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] on May 8, 2008 
'''Illustrations''': [[Matt Kuphaldt]] 

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters

|c1=
* [[Silverbolt (TransTech)|''TransTech'' Silverbolt]] (4)
* [[Adventas]] (5)
* [[Small Foot]] (6)
* [[Path Finder]] (7)
* [[Road Ranger]] (8)
* [[Optimus Prime (TransTech)|''TransTech'' Optimus Prime]] (12)
* [[Rhinox (TransTech)|''TransTech'' Rhinox]] (14)
* [[Crystal Widow]] (16)
* [[Night Beat 7]] (17)
* [[Cheetor (TransTech)|''TransTech'' Cheetor]] (21)
* [[Hoist (G1)|Generation 1 Hoist]] (22)
* [[Prowl (G1)|Generation 1 Prowl]] (23 illust.)
* [[Prowl II]] (24, illust.)
* [[Prowl (Armada)|''Armada'' Prowl]] (25, illust.)
* [[Escargon]] (27)
* [[Airazor (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Airazor]] (29)

|c2=
* [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bug Bite]] (9)
* [[Treds]] (10)
* [[Bad Boy]] (11)
* [[Megatron (TransTech)|''TransTech'' Megatron]] (13)
* [[Blastcharge (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Blastcharge]] (26)
* [[Cryotek (TransTech)|''TransTech'' Cryotek]] (28)
* [[General Demolishor]] (30)
* [[Swindle (G1)|Generation 1 Swindle]] (35)
* [[Dreadwind (G1)|Generation 1 Dreadwind]] (36)
* [[Weirdwolf]] (37)

|c4=
* [[Doctor Braxis|Doctor B]] (1)
* [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|''GoBots'' Cy-Kill]] (2)
* [[Leader-1 (GoBots)|''GoBots'' Leader-1]] (3)
* [[Doppler]] (15)
* [[Beam Rider]] (18)
* [[Skyquake (TransTech)|''TransTech'' Skyquake]] (19)
* [[Comet]] (20)
* [[Bat-Robô]] (30)
* [[Camaro]] (31)
* [[Pick-Up]] (32, illust.)
* [[Jipe]] (33)

}}

==Quotes==
==Notes==
===Errors===
* On page two, "calmed" is mistyped as "clamed."

===Transformer references===
* As you might expect, what with this being a GoBots story, there are several references to various characters and concepts from the ''Challenge of the GoBots'' cartoon.

:*The basics of GoBot physiology are repeatedly noted, including their organic brains, race-wide robot-mode flight systems, built-in weapons systems which operate on "power packs" and self-repair capabilities.

:*While [[Leader-1 (GoBots)|Leader-1]] is the only GoBot outside of the main cast of the story who identifies himself by name, [[Renegade]] leader [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cy-Kill]] and Turbo are easily recognizable by their descriptions.

:*"The doctor" who delivers the address that opens the story (later referred to as "Doctor B" by Bad Boy) is [[Doctor Braxis]], the evil human ally of the Renegades.

:*The GoBots' "level" system for classifying parallel universe originates in the two-part cartoon story, "Invasion from the 21st Level", in which insectoid monsters from another dimension are brought into the GoBots world using the "Dimensional Interfacer" device that plays a role in this story. The GoBots classify the [[Marvel Comics]] continuity as the twenty-second level.

:*The Astro-Beam is a [[space bridge]]-esque teleportation system used by both the Guardians and Renegades to transport their troops from Gobotron to Earth.

* Several characters are name-dropped in the story, but never seen; [[Herr Fiend]], [[Scooter (GoBots)|Scooter]], [[Black Shadow]], [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]] and [[Thundercracker (G1)|Generation 1 Thundercracker]].

* The TransTechs have cataloged 15,962,782 [[Universal stream|universal streams]], and they have a sophisticated classification system for all the timestreams they've cataloged. Each universe they mention refers to a specific existing Transformers [[continuity]]. The classification listing begins with a noun that describes the [[continuity family]], a number which refers to the date of origin (in the real world), and a Greek letter that indicates the form of media. For example, the "Primax 984.0 Gamma" thread refers to the Generation 1 [[Marvel Comics]] continuity, the first issue of which was cover-dated September 1984.

:* Primax - the [[Generation 1]] continuity family
::* Primax 984.0 Gamma - The [[Marvel Comics]] continuity
::* Primax 207.0 Epsilon - The [[Classics (2006)|Classics]] continuity, a [[splinter timeline]] of the [[Marvel Comics]] continuity
::* Primax 1291.0 Zeta - The "[[Another Time and Place]]" text story continuity, a dead-end splinter thread of the Marvel Comics continuity

:* Tyran - the [[Movie (franchise)|Movie]] continuity family
::* Tyran 707.04 Delta - The [[Transformers (2007)|movie itself]].

:*Malgus - The [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] continuity family.<ref>Malgus was only mentioned in the story without revealing the continuity family it represented. "[[Bee in the City]]" would later confirm it was the ''Animated'' family.</ref>

* The GoBots only wind up on Axiom Nexus after being caught in the wake of a group of dimensional travelers from the Malgus (''Animated'') family. As the story notes that travelers from Malgus are rare, this particular group is ''presumably'' [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Sari Sumdac]] making the trip seen in "[[Bee in the City]]".
* Cheetor and Cryotek both make reference to the death of Black Shadow, which happened in the previous prose story "[[Gone Too Far]]".
* When Bug Bite fixes himself up with a replacement head at the conclusion of the story, he remarks that he has failed to "match the shade" on his new noggin, referring to the fact that the Bug Bite toy's head is a distinctly brighter, whiter color than the rest of its body.

===Real-world references===
*[http://tmbw.net/wiki/Withered_Hope "Withered Hope"] is a song by They Might Be Giants. References to They Might Be Giants are one of Greg Sepelak's trademarks.
* Based on his description, the robot that Treds and Bad Boy question on the whereabouts of Bug Bite is (a version of) T-Bob, the neurotic kid-appeal robot character from ''[[wikipedia:M.A.S.K.|M.A.S.K.]]''.
*Bug Bite announces that "the jig is up, the news is out, they finally found me", a line from the Styx song... "Renegade". See what they did there?

==References==
{{reflist}}
==External links==
* [http://www.transformersclub.com/members/fiction.cfm Transformers Collectors' Club exclusive fiction] (must be a logged-in member to access)

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Talk:Cosmos (Animated)

2009-05-07T07:54:27Z

J'mie: eyes

Could his big eyes be a reference to 'gray' aliens as his original G1 alt mode was a classic 'flying saucer'? [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 03:54, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

Earth

2009-04-09T00:03:33Z

J'mie: minor spelling

[[Image:The_Earth.jpg|thumb|200px|right|[[Shattered Glass|Mostly]] harmless.]]
The planet '''Earth''', third from its [[sun]] in the Sol System in the [[Milky Way]] galaxy, is a world populated by a wide variety of native organic lifeforms, most notably, [[human|humans]]. Versions of this planet are known to exist in many dimensions within the multiverse, and it frequently becomes involved in the conflicts of the [[Transformers]]. Perhaps too frequently. Whenever something (or someone) leaves, escapes, or is otherwise ejected from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], there's a disproportionate chance it will eventually wind up on Earth.

Earth is superficially similar to the planet upon which you may reside, but has many subtle and not so subtle differences.

==Generation 1==

===American animated continuity===

Around nine million years BC, the Earth was visited by the Transformers [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]], but Skyfire was caught in a polar wind storm and separated from Starscream, buried in ice. {{storylink|Fire in the Sky}} Then, four million years BC, the Transformers' spacecraft, the [[Ark]], crash-landed in what would become the north-western [[United States]], entombing the robots within in stasis. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 1}}

Earth is home to many unusual creatures and "hidden civilizations." The underwater city of [[Sub-Atlantica]], populated by water-breathing fish-like humanoids, gave rise to the legends of [[Atlantis]] and other sunken cities. {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}} Also, fire-breathing [[dragon]]s existed naturally as late as the medieval era, though by the 20th century, they appeared to have died out. {{storylink|A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court}} A possible descendant was the unique, reptilian creature known as the "Beast of Borneo" captured by big game hunter [[Lord Chumley]]. {{storylink|Prime Target}}

The magma energy of the Earth's core is channeled by a series of green crystalline structures, which the Decepticons attempted to exploit in 1984, exposing a crystal shaft in the North Pole and tapping the core's energy (while, at the same time, happening upon and reactivating the body of Skyfire). {{storylink|Fire in the Sky}} Another unusual aspect of the planet is the natural existence of [[electrum]], a metallic alloy that renders Transformers invulnerable when coated in it. {{storylink|The Golden Lagoon}}

By the year 2005, human interaction with the Transformers had resulted in an advanced level of technology worldwide, and the foundation of the [[Earth Defense Command]], which operates a series of space stations. Saturn's moon, [[Titan]], was colonised, and an EDC base was established on [[Mars]], while travel between star systems was hugely enhanced by the creation of [[warp gate]]s. Earthling [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] became Earth's ambassador, first to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and then to other alien worlds as, through the Transformers, humanity came into contact with other races. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}

===Japanese animated continuity===

In the expanded fiction of the additional Japanese-exclusive animated series, the existence of the sunken continents [[Atlantis]] and [[Lemuria]] was confirmed. Later, it was revealed that a small group of [[Autobot]] and [[Decepticon]] [[Pretender]]s crash-landed on the planet in the Stone Age. While the Autobots used their Pretender abilities to adopt the form of humans, the Decepticons assumed monstrous forms and were mistaken by early man as "demons." Finally defeating the Decepticons and sealing them away - within the pyramids of Giza, the ruins of Atlantis and beneath the [[Nazca Lines]] of Peru - the Autobots then integrated themselves into human society, serving as secret protectors who quietly and subtly guided the evolution of human society.

===Marvel Comics continuity===
The Ark crashed into Earth four million years ago. Already present, and the site of the first Transformer battle on Earth, was the [[Savage Land]] - a hidden jungle in Antarctica where [[Dinosaurs|dinosaurs]] still live. It is believed the Savage Land was created by another, earlier race of aliens.

Some bloke called [[Jesus]] was born over 2000 years ago, or so legend says, leading eventually to the holiday called [[Christmas]].

In the year 1017AD, the Autobot [[Navigator]] and his companion arrived on Earth searching for the lost Ark. Their ship landed in [[United Kingdom|England]] and the companion would look around every few centuries, and he would be named the [[Man of Iron]] by the awed residents of Stansham; his first appearance turned the tide of a great battle.

By the 1980s, Earth was involved in a Cold War driven by the [[United States of America]] and the [[Soviet Union]]. The planet was also threatened by the international terrorist group [[Cobra]], who was opposed by America's [[G.I. Joe]] organisation and its international equivalent Action Force. There also existed a group called [[S.H.I.E.L.D.]], an American spy organisation that primarily handled [[That big green, fire-snortin' lizard|an unknown dinosaur variant]], and otherwise seemed to have little prominence.

By a quirk of genetics, the [[Neo-Knights|odd human]] proved capable of wielding superpowers. The earliest known was a vigilante named [[Spider-Man]] who vanished after 1984 for unknown reasons, though he did clash with the Decepticons and [[The Enemy Within!|caused Megatron to rethink how dangerous humans were]].

The Autobot and Decepticon war would rage until 1991 before a brief lull; both sides would relocate their bases to multiple locations, and while often battling in America they would also strike in the United Kingdom, Peru, Canada, Mexico, Japan and Argentina. Responsibility for dealing with them in the States fell to the [[Intelligence and Information Institute]], another American spy group, and their military wing [[RAAT]]. Diplomatic relations were tried early on with the [[President of the United States]], but failed.

In 1993, the Decepticons struck Earth with overwhelming force, devastating cities and slaughtering millions, merely as a way of attracting Autobot attention. Even this was dwarfed when the [[Cybertronian]] warlord [[Jhiaxus]] blew up [[San Francisco]] the following year. The long-term impact this had on Earth is unknown.

In an alternate timeline, the bulk of the Autobot/Decepticon war moved off-world in 1990 and a small [[Earthforce]] remained to contain two duelling Decepticon factions (who later united). The Autobot base was located in [[Canada]], where an abnormally high number of [[Earthforce#Trivia|polar bears]] roam the wilderness; the animals have even become bold enough to approach the Autobot base.

In several alternate timelines where Unicron attacked in 2006, the Autobots were allowed to build a city on Earth and it would become a major location for scattered Autobots to regroup after Decepticon conquest of Cybertron. Diplomatic relations were strong between human and Autobot, and futuristic technoloy such as weather-control machines were gifted to mankind.

In yet another timeline, the Americas were brutally conquered after 2005 by [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]].

===Dreamwave Comics continuity===

=== IDW comics continuity ===

Earth was one of many planets seeded as part of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave's]] energon initiative. It is the only world where this plan succeeded, leaving it which in [[Ultra-Energon]] ore, which can be used as a mighty power source. Both Shockwave and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dynobot tactical unit]] were left buried on Earth.

A brief, unauthorised Decepticon landing on Earth saw the eruption of Mount St Helen in 1984. In an investigation, [[Laserbeak (G1)|two]] [[Ravage (G1)|Decepticons]] were salvaged by the underfunded government organisation [[Skywatch]]; they not only used this find to get more funding, they reprogrammed them to use them as agents.

Another unauthorised landing, this time by the rogue [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], occured at an unknown point in time; he made contact with a number of amoral private corporations, leading to the formation of the [[Machination]].

The planet was officially invaded by the Decepticons sometime during 2002, presumably for the purposes of harvesting its local resources; a detachment of Autobots, led by [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], followed them in an attempt to thwart their aims. Decepticon agents were placed in multiple areas, such as the [[Alexander Holt|United States government]] and the separatists of [[Brasnya]]. However, the recent discovery of [[Ore-13]] by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s team prompted the treacherous lieutenant to break protocol in an effort to rebel against [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Autobot agent [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] also broke protocol by initiating direct contact with three humans, who proved invaluable in gaining intelligence on Starscream's operations.

The discovery of Ore-13 threatened to make Earth the new front line in the war between the Autobots and Decepticons. Megatron carried on the standard strategem of igniting conflict between humans to weaken their kind for conquest, but Autobot interference made him escalate things drastically. The Transformers became known to humanity, with the Machination attempting to exploit this.

About a year on from this, [[All Hail Megatron|''everyone suddenly forgot'' they knew about the Transformers]], while a disgruntled [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]) made a deal that saw the Decepticons gain an undefended Earth. A destructive war occured between Decepticon and human, with [[New York City]] seized as a base.

==Beast Era==

===''Beast Wars''===

The mysterious aliens known as the [[Vok]] chose prehistoric Earth, which they dubbed '''Nexus Earth''', as the site of an experiment, and seeded the planet with vast amounts of raw [[Energon]], installing a second, artificial moon into the planet's orbit and placing several devices (including Stonehenge) at strategic points on the planet.

Around the time of the emergence of proto-hominids, a group of [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] from Cybertron's future travelled back in time to prehistoric Earth, where they waged a war they dubbed the "[[Beast Wars]]," and encountered the Vok, interfering in their plans. Deciding that the Beast Warriors had contaminated their experiment, the Vok activated the second moon, transforming it into a giant laser weapon with which they planned to detonate the Energon seeded throughout the planet, wiping it clean of life. This plan was foiled by the Maximal leader, [[Optimus Primal]], but the vast majority of the raw Energon on the planet was transformed into stable, cube form.

Both factions soon became aware of early homonids. A foiled Predacon attempt to slaughter them caused them to both disperse and develop knowledge of crude tools and weapons; [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] happily intervened in the natural course of Time by teaching the young hominids simple physics lessons; and after the end of the war, when the Transformers returned to Cybertron, [[Waspinator]] was left on the planet as the leader and god of a hominid tribe. Although they eventually rejected him and he too returned to Cybertron, it is unclear precisely how much influence Waspinator may have had on the evolution of humanity and their culture. Many would find this dizzturbing.

Interestingly, by the time immediately prior to the Beast Wars, Earth and its sector in space was declared off-limits by order of the [[Maximal High Council]], and likely all information about it tightly regulated. It's unknown precisely when and why this ban was initiated. However, it related to the events in BWII...

''(Note: in the Japanese dub of Beast Wars, the Transformers referred to the planet they were stranded on as '''"Energoa"''', before they realised it was prehistoric Earth.)''

===''Beast Wars II''===

A future version of Earth was later visited by Maximals and Predacons under the command of [[Lio Convoy]] and [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]], respectively. At first known only as '''"[[Gaea]]"''', the world was known to have two sentient inhabitants, a girl named [[Artemis]] and her companion [[Moon]]. Although the presence of what seemed to be a decimated Tokyo Tower suggested that Gaea was Earth, it was not fully confirmed until release of the ''[[Robot Masters]]'' toyline's version of Lio Convoy, the bio to which revealed that Earth had been devastated by mankind's tampering with the power source known as [[Angolmois]] energy.

==''Robots in Disguise''==
Thousands of years ago, the Autobot high council hid [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Fortress Maximus]] on Earth. The many parts of its activation mechanism, such as [[O-Parts]], the [[Orb of Sigma]], and [[Cerebros (RID)|Cerebros]], came to be located within relics left behind by ancient human civilizations. In the 1940s, a crew of Autobots was dispatched to the planet to check up on things, unsuccessfully. In the present day, the biggest problem facing humanity is a lack of access to energy. [[Doctor Onishi]] is the world's foremost expert on locating and cataloguing new energy sources, and during the course of his work he located Fortress Maximus and some of the o-parts. Cue the ''second'' biggest problem for humanity, as their top energy expert is kidnapped by a giant robot hand.

==Unicron Trilogy==

===Cartoon continuity===
[[Image:Cyber Key symbol Earth.png|right|150px|thumb|The symbol on Earth's [[Cyber Planet Key|Cyber Keys]].]]
After the first defeat of [[Unicron]], Earth was chosen as one of the planets to receive a [[Cyber Planet Key]], which would have reformatted the planet into a Transformer colony. However, the colony ship [[Atlantis]], also carrying the [[Omega Lock]], crashed onto the planet before it could begin its mission.

(Note: A lost undersea city was found earlier during the [[Armada (cartoon)|Armada series]], one powered by a [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team]]. A hologram described that the civilization had been quite advanced, but was destroyed by its own power. The human children deemed this city to be Atlantis, but it is possible that it was a completely different civilization.)

Some time later, when the [[Mini-Con|Mini-Cons]] fled Cybertron to escape being used as tools, their ship came out of warp above Earth. Impacting onto the planet's [[Moon (moon)|moon]], the Mini-Con ship broke in half sending a large chunk of the craft into Earth's atmosphere. [[Mini-Con storage panel|Mini-Con storage panels]] were spread across the globe and the ship itself crashed onto the surface, where they laid dormant for nearly a million years.{{storylink|First Encounter}} Earth's fate being tied to that of Cybertron in the Unicron Trilogy is a form of predestination. The human [[Rad White]] visited Cybertron millions of years ago via a completely unexplained timeslip and encountered the mini-cons upon birth, releasing them from [[Unicron]]'s control and pretty much sealing this fated relationship for good.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

==Movie (2007)==
===Movie/Prequels===
The powerful [[All Spark (Movie)|All Spark]] crashed onto Earth around 10,000 B.C.E., followed a few thousand years later by the Transformer [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] who would become buried at the Arctic Circle. The discovery of the latter would either lead to the formation or retasking of the [[Sector Seven]] organisation, a United States secret service that may or may not have previously dealt with other alien encounters. [[Hoover Dam]] would be built as a secret holding base for Sector Seven, near to populous [[Mission City]].

Through Megatron, much of modern human technoogy would be created via reverse-engineering and much of modern American history driven by Sector Seven. Oppenheimer created the atom bomb through reverse-engineered technology; the "space race" (including [[Ghost 1|more secret parts of it]]) was won by America solely due to Megatron's bits; and Three Mile Island was caused by poking at the All Spark.

By the 21st Century, the United States had thus become so powerful the [[United States Military]] possessed [[SOCCENT Forward Operations Base|bases]] in foreign countries such as [[Qatar]] and NASA had [[Beagle 2 Rover#Notes|total supremacy]] over space-related matters. Sector Seven had its own paramilitary wing and [[Section N44E|prisons]], all while being so secret the [[John Keller|Secretary of Defence]] was unaware of its existence.

In 2003, covert Transformers (both [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and Decepticon) arrived on Earth to search for the All Spark, successfully evading and sometimes killing any Sector Seven forces. Another and seemingly unrelated [[Mountain Dew Robot|faction]] would attempt the same thing, even getting their operative [[Dewbot]] inside the Hoover Dam base. Operating at the fringes were human vigilantes such as the mysterious [[Agent X]] and the [[Lunchables Brigade]] paramilitary, the latter having some form of contact with the Autobots.

In 2007, Optimus Prime and the Autobots arrived on Earth to secure the All Spark, while the Decepticons learned of the existence of Archibald Witwicky's glasses. Open warfare would result, ending in a final battle with both the military and the Autobots fighting against the Decepticons at Mission City. Sector Seven were decimated, but the Decepticons were still defeated thanks in part to [[Sam Witwicky|two]] [[Mikaela Banes|youths]]. Astoundingly, [[Ron Witwicky|much of humanity]] remained ignorant of the Transformers' existence despite the ''decimation of a major city in broad daylight''.

===Games===
There are several divergent timelines where the presence of other Transformers or different strategies undertaken altered the entire pattern of events.

[[Transformers The Game (console)|Some]] have the same basic outcome, but with greater and more wide-ranging devastation to America and greater (but futile) resistance by Sector Seven. [[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons#Decepticons|At least one]] resulted in not only wider destruction but in complete Decepticon victory.

In the most severe divergence, the rogue Decepticon general [[Mainframe (Movie)|Mainframe]] reached Earth before the Autobots and established an army and base at the Arctic. He began taking out every Autobot agent arriving on Earth, whilst searching for the All Spark, and eventually began sweeping the Earth with large numbers of [[Drone|drone]] units. He was eventually defeated by the Earthbound [[Chevy Autobots]] unit; the impact this had on [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream's]] attempts to gain the All Spark, not to mention Earth itself, are unknown.

===Titan Magazines===
In a further divergent timeline, the Decepticons succeeded at Mission City and conquered the United States. While [[NATO]] regrouped to try and oppose them, its forces proved no match for Decepticon retaliation. The crisis caused [[Russia]] to join up with NATO, and resulted in extensive damage to [[France|Paris]], including the loss of the French centre of government.

Via a processing station at [[Savannah]], [[Georgia]], Megatron used the All Spark to begin transforming Earth into a new Cybertron. The Autobots eventually killed him and destroyed the All Spark, but the fundamental damage was already done: Earth's core was infected, causing the planet to be torn apart by continuing techno-organic activity. ''Un''natural disasters spread across the Earth, along with areas spewing out raw [[energon]] and a strange illness affecting scores of people. This would eventually be stopped with [[Nucleon]].

On top of this, attempts to rebuild the liberated United States were constantly thwarted by a Decepticon terror campaign; both Autobot and NATO forces (the American military having been decimated) operated on US soil, attempting to defend it. The Decepticons eventually re-conquered 600+ miles of US territory centred on Savannah, claiming it as an autonomous [[Decepticon Heartland]].

==''Transformers Animated''==

==''Shattered Glass''==

==External links==
*[[Wikipedia:Earth|Earth on Wikipedia]]

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User:J'mie

2009-03-20T11:10:09Z

J'mie: removed Wikia reference

J'mie

Ro-Tor (disambiguation)

2007-12-31T00:24:21Z

J'mie: minor spell

The name '''Ro-Tor / Rotor''' has been applied to several Transformers characters.

*[[Ro-Tor (RiD)|Ro-Tor]] the [[Decepticon]] helicopter and [[Ruination (RiD)|Ruination]] component from ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]''.

*[[Rotor (Energon)|Rotor]] the [[Mini-Con]] twin-rotor helicopter from ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.

*[[Ro-Tor (Universe)|Ro-Tor]] the [[Autobot]] [[Micromaster]] [[Aerialbot]] helicopter from ''[[Universe]]''.

Ro-Tor / Rotor should not be confused with...

*[[Rotorbolt (G1)|Rotorbolt]] the neutral Transformer from [[Generation 1]].

*[[Rotorbolt (Universe)|Rotorbolt]] the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] helicopter from [[Wreckers]]/''Universe''.

*[[Rotorstorm]] the Autobot [[Turbomaster]] helicopter from Generation 1.

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Talk:Seeker (body-type)

2007-12-10T20:30:34Z

J'mie:

Singe

2007-09-15T12:12:48Z

J'mie: spelling

:''Singe is a [[Nebulan]] [[Decepticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Singe dt.jpg|thumb|250px|He would do anything for love - but he won't do that.]]

'''Singe''' may be the only being to have joined the Decepticons for love. Years ago, Singe lost his lover [[Llyra]] to [[Galen]], leaving him crushed. When his rival joined the [[Autobots]], Singe signed up with the Llyra's father, Lord [[Zarak]], and the Decepticons, hoping to slay Galen and win back Llyra's heart. The binary-bonding process made the callow playboy into a double-barreled nuclear-powered flamethrower, capable of liquefying metal and barbecuing Galen alive. But the Decepticons' defeat and subsequent exile from [[Nebulos]] left Singe bitter, hateful, and unfulfilled. To make matters worse, Galen died before he could kill him! Even the company of his partners [[Spinister]] and [[Hairsplitter]] can't shake his loneliness.

==Trivia/Oddities==
Singe and Hairsplitter's images were swapped in [[More Than Meets The Eye]].

==Toys==

* '''Spinister w/ Singe and Hairsplitter''' (Targetmaster, 1988)
Singe, like all the "double" Targetmaster Nebulans, is one of the smallest and least complicated Transformers. Fold the barrel away, and stand him up. He was released with the Decepticon Spinster in 1988. No version of this character or mold was released in Japan.

==External Links==
[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Decepticon/Spinister/spinister.htm Spinister Singe and Hairsplitter on TFU.info]

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[[Category: Generation 1 characters]]
[[Category: Nebulans]]
[[Category: Targetmasters]]
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Battlecharger

2007-06-17T15:28:30Z

J'mie: Corrected Runamuck spelling

:''The Battlechargers are a [[Decepticon]] subgroup in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

The '''Battlechargers''' are a devilish duo of deadly Decepticon dragsters dedicated to destruction, demolition and deviance. They are [[Runabout]] and [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]], respectively.

==Fiction==

===Marvel Comics continuity===

===Generation 1 cartoon===

===Dreamwave continuity===

===IDW continuity===

==Toys==
Both Runamuck and Runabout featured pull-back motors and auto-transformations.

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Plague of the Insecticons!

2007-05-14T22:01:03Z

J'mie: published 1985 not 1984 -- think December may be wrong too but haven't changed it as I don't know when it should be

[[Image:Reagan-PlagueOfI.jpg|thumb|right|There you go again Prime.]]
'''The Autobots' attempt to form an alliance with the US Government is sabotaged by the Insecticons.'''

=Marvel UK Annual 1985=

'''Writer:''' [[Simon Furman]] 
'''Pencillers:''' [[Jeff Anderson]], [[Collins]] 
'''Art:''' Dan Reed 
'''Lettering:''' [[Richard Starkings|Starkings]] 
'''Colors:''' [[Hart]] 
'''Editor:''' [[Cranna]] 

*''Characters'' [[President of the United States]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Warpath]], [[Shrapnel (G1)|Sharpnel]], [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]], [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Roller]]

*''Originally published:'' December 1985

==Synopsis==
Anxious to forge better relations with the humans on Earth, Optimus Prime approaches the President of the [[United States of America|United States]] with a view to forging an alliance. The President agrees to meet him and Optimus Prime, Prowl and Warpath travel to Washington DC to visit the President at the White House.

Unfortunately an unscrambled phone call between the secret service and the army is intercepted by Soundwave. Unwilling to allow the Autobots to ally with the humans, Megatron decides to awaken the [[Insecticon|Insecticons]] from stasis.

Just as Optimus and the President meet, the Insecticons attack the humans making war cries in the name of the Autobots in an attempt to discredit them. Then Bombshell announces that they are going to attack the city, making it appear as though he was receiving an order from Optimus Prime.

Enraged, the army attack the Autobots, who make their escape and pursue the Insecticons. They arrive in the city to find the Insecticons causing untold destruction. They engage them in battle, but struggle to hold their own.

Noticing that the Insecticons are acting very uncertainly, Optimus Prime deduces that they are being remotely controlled by an outside agent and sends Roller to take part in the battle while he locates the source of the control signal.

He eventually discovers Ravage, who has been controlling the Insecticons until they get used to their Earth forms. In an attempt to defeat Optimus Prime, Ravage sends a mental command to Bombshell to attack, but the signal is too strong and is also picked up by Kickback. As Bombshell dives at Prime, Kickback attacks Roller who is an extension of Optimus.

The attack on Roller causes Prime to double up in pain, making Bombshell overshoot his target as he fires his cerebro shell. The shell hits Ravage and causes him to become under the mental control of Bombshell, who in turn was under the mental control of Ravage, leaving them both inert unable to think for themselves.

Having defeated the enemy, Prime decides that the Autobots should simply leave as he believes that the humans would not listen to them now. The President believing that the Autobots had been set up is disappointed when they don’t return and explain and decides that he misjudged their honourable intentions and vows not to make the same mistake again.

==Errors==
*Was it really a good idea to take Warpath, whose [[Alternate mode|alt mode]] is a tank, to a peace conference?
*It isn't clear what becomes of the Insecticons and Ravage at the end of the story, either they escaped or where captured but it is never revealled which.

==Items of note==
*The President is drawn in the likeness of Ronald Reagan.
*The origin of the Insecticons shown here is at odds with their later appearances in the Marvel comic continuity such as [[The Smelting Pool!]], [[The Bridge to Nowhere!]], [[Target 2006]] and [[Aerialbots over America!]] which shows the Insecticons a being on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. As a result this story is usually not considered to be [[canon]].

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Talk:Totaled!

2007-04-24T22:34:42Z

J'mie: New page: Totalled! (two 'L's) is the Marvel UK-reprinted name for this story. It was originally Totaled! (one 'L'). ~~~~

Totalled! (two 'L's) is the Marvel UK-reprinted name for this story. It was originally Totaled! (one 'L'). [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 22:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Transformers (2007 books)

2007-04-24T22:10:51Z

J'mie: spelling

[[Wikipedia:Del Rey Books|Del Rey]] panders to the bibliophile market.

* [[Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday]] - Prequel novel
* [[Transformers: The Movie (novel)|Transformers: The Movie]] - Film novelization

[[Category: Books]]
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Talk:Sherman Dam

2007-04-24T21:35:09Z

J'mie:

There was a Sherman Dam in RiD. Separate article, or...?

*It was hardly very important, so a "RID continuity" marker should be fine, I would think. I mean, look at the article for [[space bridge]]. Rather than create a seperate article for RID's Global Space Bridge, they just put it in there since it really didn't warrant one of its own. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

::That, and also, Sherman Dam is real (it's in Nebraska). The precedent seems to be that things from the real world get cross-continuity-family articles--see [[Earth]], [[President of the United States]], [[Antarctica]], etc. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Aw fudge! The Decepticon Dam-Busters version of the Sherman Dam story takes place at a [[Boulder Dam]]! Laaaame. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

On another note since it's kinda sorta related, is there any way we can make an article for their hand-energy-weapons? Mostly because I wanna use that art by Hidetsugu Yoshioka from the back of Generations v1.0 because its so rockem sockem bitchin sweet. The energy axe and mace have been seen at least three times, anyway (Cartoon, manga, comic). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The dam in Decepticon Dam-Busters was called Sherman Dam in Part. 1 and Boulder Dam in Part. 2. Don't know if this was corrected in the Collected Comics version. [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 21:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

The Transformers: Spotlight

2007-03-03T15:56:11Z

J'mie: Added Sixshot publish date

'''A series of one-issue stories that each turn the spotlight on a particular [[Generation 1]] [[Transformer]], serve to give a wider view of the overall IDW Transformers universe, and set-up future story ideas and plot points for the main IDW miniseries.'''

=Transformers: Spotlight=

'''Script:''' [[Simon Furman]] 
'''Art:''' Various 
'''Lettering:''' 
'''Colors:''' 
'''Editor:'''[[Dan Taylor]] 

*''Major characters (in order of appearance):'' [[Shockwave]], the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]], [[Hot Rod]], [[Doubledealer]], [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]], [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]
*''Originally published:'' September, 2006 (Shockwave); October, 2006 (Nightbeat); November, 2006 (Hot Rod); December, 2006 (Sixshot); January 2007 (Ultra Magnus); March 2007 (Soundwave); April 2007 (Kup)

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
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|-
|| [[Spotlight: Shockwave|Shockwave]] | [[Spotlight: Nightbeat|Nightbeat]] | [[Spotlight: Hot Rod|Hot Rod]] | [[Spotlight: Sixshot|Sixshot]] | [[Spotlight: Ultra Magnus|Ultra Magnus]] | [[Spotlight: Soundwave|Soundwave]] | [[Spotlight: Kup|Kup]]
|}

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Sizzle (Masterforce)

2007-02-27T19:47:22Z

J'mie:

:''Sizzles are [[Decepticon]] drones from the [[Masterforce]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

The '''Sizzle''' is one style of Decepticon [[Sparkdash]] drone. They attack in mass numbers, using their "Fire Sonic Beam" attack to destroy their enemies.

==Fiction==
===Masterforce cartoon===

===Masterforce comic===
When [[Cancer]] ran away from the Decepticons (with [[Browning]] in tow), [[Scorponok (G1)|Black Zarak]] came after him, taking a trio of Sparkdashes with him into the city to find and kill the runaway. The three fire-breathing creatures were fairly easily dispatched by the [[Autobot]]s, but it was [[Overlord]] who ultimately beat Black Zarak and rescued Cancer!

==Toys==
===Masterforce===
*'''Sizzle''' (Sparkdash, 1988)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-320'''

: Identical to the [[Hasbro]] [[Firecon]] [[Flamefeather]], Sizzle transforms into a fairly organic-looking bird-monster. A friction-motor in his beast-mode belly rolls him forward while shooting "cold" sparks from his maw.

==Trivia==
* All of the Decepticon Sparkdash molds have indentions on their beast-mode legs seemingly meant for a [[rubsign]]. But both Hasbro and [[Takara]] stopped using rubsigns after 1987, so the spaces are "filled" with normal faction sigil decals.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Decepticon/Flamefeather/flamefeather.htm Sizzle/Flamefeather at TFU.info]

[[Category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: Mass-produced Transformers]]
[[Category: Masterforce characters]]
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Sentinel Minor

2007-02-11T14:23:25Z

J'mie: changed an 'a' to an 'an'

:''The arrogant Autobot officer is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Armada]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] continuity family.''

[[Image:Arrogant Autobot.JPG|right|thumb|300px|Prick.]]

The '''arrogant Autobot officer''' was the field commander of [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]'s military unit during the earlier years of the war on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

''Japanese name:'' '''Cybertron (Autobot) Soldier'''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
====''Armada''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Brian Dobson]] (US), [[Shimizu Toshitaka]] (Japan)

[[Image:Arrogant Autobot punch.jpg|left|thumb|Respect my authori-tah!]]

During a major battle, [[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]] had become trapped under some rubble in the middle of an inferno. Hot Shot could not free his friend, and left, promising to return with help.

However, Hot Shot's unit commander and his subordinate refused to help Wheeljack, saying that the flames were too hot to enter. Hot Shot objected and attempted to run back in, only to be obstructed by his fellow soldier and struck down by his officer. The officer cited that they could not risk the unit to save only one 'bot.

Hot Shot eventually got up, and despite the warnings of a court-martial, raced back into the flames hoping to save his friend. {{storylink|Past Part 1}}

Later, the Autobot officer showed up in the modern era with his subordinate, only to be gunned down by Decepticons.

==Related characters==
[[Image:OfficerOfficer.jpg|thumb|left|125px|Christmas Maximus.]]
[[Image:Subordinate.jpg|thumb|right|125px|We thought your friend died in the flames, turns out you're the one he blames!]]
===Autobot Commander===
This officer's own superior is a large, powerful-looking robot. It was he who suggested that Hot Shot take the rookie Wheeljack under his wing - a suggestion that ultimately ended in a tragedy which would come back to haunt Hot Shot years later.

Way to go, there.

===Subordinate===
The officer's subordinate does not question his orders. His voice is gruff, and he doesn't rhyme, despite looking like a buff [[Wheelie]].

{{-}}

==Trivia==
* Like many ''Armada'' generics, these robots use [[Generation 1]] character models. The Autobot officer uses the recolored [[character model|animation model]] of [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] - but the more toy-based ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'' model rather than the American comic model. Meanwhile, his superior uses the ''Headmasters'' model of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], while his subordinate uses [[Wheelie]]'s model.

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[[Category: Autobots]]
[[Category: Cartoon-only characters]]
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Seacon (BW)

2007-02-11T13:59:57Z

J'mie: /* Beast Wars II */ minor spelling correction

{{disambig3|Seacon}}
:''The Seacons are scurvy [[Predacon]] space pirates in the [[Beast Wars II]] portion of the [[Beast Era]] continuity they is!''

[[Image:Seacons_bw.jpg|thumb|300px|'''SWIM AWAY, SWIM AWAY!''']]

The '''Space Pirate Seacons''' scour the spaceways for treasure and power. Though they are Predacon by creation, they hold no true affiliation with [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] and his crew. Led by [[Halfshell]], they prove themselves troublesome for [[Maximal]] and Predacon alike!

The team consists of:

* [[Halfshell]]
* [[Scylla]]
* [[Coelagon]]
* [[Terrormander]]
* [[Sea Phantom]]

They can combine to form [[God Neptune]].

''('''Note''': The term "Seacons" does not appear on the packaging for the toy but does appear in their catalogue advertisements and in the fiction-itself.)''

==Fiction==
===Beast Wars II Cartoon===
'''Voice actor:''' [[Kazuhiko Nishimatsu]] (Japan)

===Beast Wars II Manga===

===Beast Wars Toyline===
The bio for [[Transmetal 2]] [[Cybershark]] mentions that he "''honed his skills while bounty hunting a rogue band of Cybertronian space pirates''." Considering the timing in the appearance of the two toys and Hasbro's then-concurrent attempts to put in fan nods, it is generally thought the Seacons were meant to be these pirates.

This theory was later confirmed by [[Ben Yee]] in personal conversation.

==Toys==
===Beast Wars II===
*'''God Neptune''' (Multi-pack, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-21'''

: Sold only as a boxed set of five toys, God Neptune is a [[redeco]] of ''most'' of the [[Generation 1]] [[Seacon (G1)|Seacon]] team; not only does the set not include a redeco of [[Nautilator (G1)|Nautilator]], but the weapons and gun-mode stands for the individuals are also not included. Since the set uses the [[Scramble City]] style of contruction, the body and limbs are interchangable with similar-build combiner teams.

: For unknown reasons, a great number of unboxed God Neptune sets --lacking ''all'' of their accessories, including combiner parts-- ended up available on the secondary market. These went for considerably less than the "complete" releases, naturally.

: ''(The ''complete'' set of Generation 1 Seacon molds (all six members with all accessories) were slated to be released as an [[exclusive]] set during ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' as [[Piranhaking]], but as of now remains unreleased.)''

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Hi-Q

2007-02-10T20:30:31Z

J'mie: spelling corrections

{{disambig2|the Nebulan scientist|the American trucker|Ginrai}}

:''Hi-Q is an [[Autobot]] [[Nebulan]] who forms the [[Powermaster]] engine of [[Optimus Prime]] in the [[Generation 1]] continuity family. He is sometimes known as '''Ginrai'''.''

[[Image:HiQCommercial1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Man-Machine Power X-TREME!]]

A genius in computer programming and design, '''Hi Q''' was renowned on [[Nebulos]]. The Hi Q Industrial Research Complex, named for him, produced many of technological innovations that dramatically improved the quality of life on the planet. Definitely more of a thinker than a fighter, he provides Optimus Prime with more than just power. Scientific skill, wisdom, and sage advice are perhaps his greatest contributions.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===

Hi-Q eventually began to merge with Prime, mentally as well as physically as a result of the Powermaster process. When Prime was destroyed this process completed itself in Hi-Q's body. The [[Last Autobot]] then recreated the two into a new composite Optimus Prime.

===Japanese Continuity===
When Cybertron was devastated by another energy crisis Hi-Q assisted Optimus Prime on his quest for the potent energy source [[Nucleon]], which was located inside [[Black Hole|Black Holes]]. Hi-Q is unique as he is the only -Master to hail from the planet Nebulos instead of [[Master|Planet Master]] or [[Earth]]. Another distinct quality of the pairing is that Hi-Q and Prime are two distinct beings, unlike the other [[Headmasters]] and [[Godmasters]] who control un-thinking [[Transector|Transectors]]

===Dreamwave Comics continuity===

The profile for Powermaster Prime in the DW More Than Meets the Eye profile book gives his partner the Japanese name [[Ginrai]] but still describes the character Hi-Q.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
'''Powermaster Optimus Prime with Hi-Q''' (1988)

'''Nucleon Quest Super Convoy with Hi-Q''' (2001) Japanese Toys "R" Us exclusive

==External links==

[[Category: Autobots]]
[[Category: Nebulans]]
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User:J'mie

2007-02-10T16:37:59Z

J'mie:

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Reflector (G1)

2007-02-10T14:45:43Z

J'mie: /* Trivia */ spelling correction

:''Reflector is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:ReflectorG1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|It's a Kodak moment]]

'''Reflector''' likes to watch. He lives to observe anything and everything, from scenery, to wildlife, to architecture. But above all else, Reflector likes to watch his comrades, learn their dark secrets, and profit from them. Reflector is also very impressed with his own abilities both in the fields of observation and blackmail.

Reflector is composed of three seperate robots - [[Spectro]], [[Spyglass]] and [[Viewfinder]] - who combine into the single camera [[altmode]] that is Reflector.

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===

:''Voice actor:'' [[Chris Latta]] (US), [[Yoku Shioya]] (Japan)

[[Image:ReflectorCartoon1.jpg|left|250px|thumb|I see EVERYTHING!]]

Reflector is unique among the Decepticons: he is three robots who talk and act in unison as a single mind in three (largely identical) bodies. He (they?) was with [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] on the [[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]] during its assault on the [[Ark]]. He was thus among Megatron's troops after their reawakening on [[Earth]]. Reflector and [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] did some scouting shortly after the Decepticons left the Ark. Reflector demonstrated his ability to zoom-focus and print pictures in camera mode.

He later spied on the laboratory of [[Dr. Alcazar]], the mentor of boy genius [[Chip Chase]]. Using his zoom-focus and photographic powers once more, Reflector secretly obtained the entry-code for the laboratory's security system. He claimed that stealing the anti-matter formula was going to be a piece of [[oil cake]]. Megatron used the code to sneak into the laboratory, though he was still too slow, as Dr. Alcazar had enough time to transfer all the information on the anti-matter formula to Chip Chase's home computer via something called the internet. Reflector later gathered valuable intelligence prior to the Decepticon attack on the [[Great Falls]] hydroelectric power plant.

Beyond the trio that makes up the camera, there are other Reflector-type Decepticon soldiers considered seperate. One of these was nearly sacrificed to send over the [[Space Bridge]] with a shipment of Energon cube.

Reflector becomes less active as the battle for Earth went on, almost disappearing entirely. He was last seen in 2005, participating in the initial Decepticon assault on Autobot City.

''('''Note:''' The individual names Spectro, Spyglass, and Viewfinder are never used in the cartoon, he (all three of him) is simply "Reflector." In his cartoon design all three robots are based on the center (Viewfinder) section of the toy, though they're given a humanized face and only one of the three Reflectors would have the actual camera lens in his chest. The series story bible specifically discouraged writers from using Reflector, as plans to include the toy in the regular toyline were, for some reason, scrapped after the series was developed.)''

====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform'' manga====

While on a scouting mission, the Reflector trio and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] took photos of the then-in-construction [[Metroplex (G1)|Autobot City]], allowing the Decepticons to utilize the stolen specs in order to build thier own titanic city, [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]].

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

Reflector were not part of Megatron's crew, but worked for [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], monitoring the planet and its inhabitants for him from a central mainframe. They were seemingly destroyed by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]].

''('''Note:''' Dreamwave continuity is the only place in official fiction (so far) where the three Reflector components are portrayed as separate characters rather than the single composite being described by their tech spec and shown in the cartoon. The ''[[Keepers Trilogy|Fusion]]'' novel set in Dreamwave continuity erroneously presented Reflector as being on Earth prior to this, and in compensation, its sequel, ''[[Keepers Trilogy|Annihilation]]'', identified the Earthbound Reflector as the "true" Reflector, and the Cybertron-based one as a "copy" of some form.)''

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Reflector''' (Mail-away, 1986/1987; wide release in Japan, 1985)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''21'''
: Reflector was available only as a mail away promotion in 1986-1987 (ironically after his character had long since disappeared from the cartoon). It is composed of three distinct robots that combine to form a camera. It includes a telephoto lens and old-style flashcube accessories as well as various guns. His role early in the cartoon makes it seem likely his toy was originally planned for inclusion in the original 1984 line. Why Hasbro decided not to release it so late in the game is unknown, as is what reversed the decision later to make it a viable mail-away. However, he was given a full release in Japan.

* '''Reflector Decoy'''
: A small plastic decoy of Reflector was part of the Decoy promotion and given away with many smaller TFs. It was based on the cartoon design of the central (lensed) Reflector unit.

==Trivia==
[[Image:Canon Robo.jpg|thumb|right|150px|A screenshot from Solar Adventure. Reflector had kids to feed, dammit!]]

*Reflector's original toy was used in the South Korean cartoon ''[http://www.cyrusfirst.com/guests/digiview/dev/detail.php?p=105 Solar Adventure]'' (초 합금 로보트 쏠라 원, 투, 드리) as the "Canon Robo" in which [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqEcWJ-qrLA he kills a bunch of North Koreans].

*Early on in the cartoon, the animators filled out the Decepticon ranks on Earth by adding numerous unnamed robots based on the main characters; extra Reflector units were frequently among these. The practice lessened and finally stopped as more actual Decepticon characters were introduced.

*The episode ''[[Divide and Conquer]]'' shows Reflector displaying an ability that is otherwise never spoken of or utilised. When one of his components is hurled backwards at the other two, and impacts with one, it disappears in a flash. The remaining component then topples back into the last one, and again, vanishes in a flash, leaving only one Reflector robot remaining. This seems to suggest that Reflector may be one individual who is capable of duplicating his form; such an idea would help explain the appearance of the numerous Reflector-style robots noted above.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Decoys/Reflector/reflector.htm Reflector at TFU.info]

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Nebulos

2007-02-10T14:28:17Z

J'mie: minor spelling correction

{{disambig2|the Planet/Race of People|the Autobot Targetmaster|Nebulon (Autobot)}}

[[Image:Bonk.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Read this in an Australian accent.]]

'''Nebulos''' (sometimes called '''Nebulon''') is a planet inhabited by organic lifeforms, most notably a race of humanoids called Nebulans or Nebulons. These beings have found themselves involved with the [[Transformers]] in several different dimensions within the multiverse and are usually responsible for or deeply involved in the [[Headmaster]], [[Targetmaster]], and [[Powermaster]] technologies.

The physical appearance of Nebulans varies greatly by continuity, as they originated in the toyline wearing robotic armor. As such, each continuity to feature the planet has had free rein to imagine what the inhabitants looked like underneath.

==Generation 1==

===Marvel Comics continuity===

Nebulans appear to be essentially identical to [[human|humans]] from Earth.

A planet of humanoids that had lived without war for thousands of years. A group of Autobots led by [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] sought to relocate to Nebulos in order to escape their own millenia-old conflict on Cybertron, but their arrival created dissension and mistrust within the Nebulan community. The arrival of a group of [[Decepticon]]s led by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] soon afterward only escalated these tensions, and Nebulos' age of peace was lost as citizens binary-bonded to Transformers on both sides of the conflict to become [[Headmaster]]s and [[Targetmaster]]s.

Realizing the damage that was being done to Nebulos' once-peaceful culture, the Autobots abandoned the planet to join Transformers already on the planet [[Earth]], believing (correctly) that the Decepticons would pursue them off-Nebulos.

After this the citizens of Nebulos tainted their own energy sources so as to be poisonous to any Transformers that might seek to return to their world. When Decepticons [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]] and [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] arrived soon after the departure of the other Transformers, they soon found themselves victim of this poisoning, and lay dormant for a time. They were later revived by Nebulan traitors [[Hi-Test]] and [[Throttle (G1)|Throttle]], who had stolen power-conversion plans that eventually created the [[Powermaster]]s. Hi-Q, the creator of this process, eventually binary-bonded with a reborn [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], and several of his staff joined with other Autobots, in order to combat the threat posed by Darkwing and Dreadwind. They, too, eventually left Nebulos to join the other Transformers on Earth.

===American animated continuity===

Nebulons are extremely human-like aliens who possess green skin and dark green or white hair. Their facial features seem to tend towards a rather Native American cast. Some of the oldest of their ruling class, the [[Hive]], appear to have had cyborg alterations or even taken on fully robotic bodies. ''(The robotic Hive members look identical to [[Lithone|Lithonians]].)''

Nebulos was a world whose inhabitants were enslaved by the Hive, a group of eleven Nebulon telekinetics whose focus on development of their mental powers had caused their bodies to wither, led by [[Lord Zarak]]. The populace was mainly forced to do routine farm work, watched over by the machines which the Hive controlled telepathically.

Several Transformers crashed on Nebulos. A small band of Nebulon rebels, led by [[Gort]], captured the Autobots, believing them to be Hive machines. The Decepticons were captured by the Hive. Convincing the rebels that they are not Hive machines, the Autobots volunteered to help, offering up four of their own to serve as Headmasters, with Nebulon partners inside their heads to serve as secondary operators.

Zarak demanded his own Headmasters, but [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] only wished to offer up the Decepticon animals for this. The rest offered their weapons, which Zarak willingly accepted. The Autobots learned of this and adapted the new [[Targetmaster]] designs.

Zarak rebuilt a Hive facility into Scorponok, only to be countered by Fortress Maximus, an old Hive city converted into a Headmaster body by [[Spike Witwicky]] and [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]]. Defeated, the Hive and the Decepticons fled in Scorponok.

=== Dreamwave Comics continuity ===
No native Nebulan, sans *-master armor, is ever seen in the DW books, and the world itself only appears in the [[More Than Meets The Eye (Dreamwave)|''More Than Meets The Eye'' guidebook]] and one panel of the ''[[War Within]]'' comic. Dreamwave's Nebulon, like much of its continuity, is built from a fusion of previous iterations.

Some basics from the ''More Than Meets The Eye'' guide: Nebulon is the fourth world of its system. It has a dual set of rings circling it and multiple moons. It is inhabited by many wild organic lifeforms and the humanoid Nebulan species. The moons circling Nebulon contain their own civilizations. One of these is the Hive Moon, which is home to a green-skinned, somewhat insectoid off-shoot of the Nebulan race.

=== IDW Publishing continuity ===
Here Nebulans are a hairless, green OR redish-pink skinned humanoid race with pointy ears. Their eyes are black where a humans are white and feature large, perhaps light-reflective, yellow pupils. They have a bit of a vampiric look to human eyes.

The architecture of Nebulos strongly favors domes, rounded bulbous towers, and organic curves. Many of the buildings have a "cracked" ancient look to the outside and green moss-like growth can be seen in patches on their exteriors. The technology level appears significantly in advance of Earth.

Scorponok has had ties to Nebulos, having used businessman [[Zarak|Mo Zarak]]'s corporation as a front for his own operations: creating a fusion of Nebulan and Cybertronian technology that seems to be a precursor to the various *-master technologies. These operations were apparently foiled by the timely intervention of [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. Scorponok, however, escaped.

Nebulos is also the site of operations for a Decepticon infiltration team including [[Ruckus]], [[Darkwing]], [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]], [[Skullcruncher]], and others. It became the first target of the resurrected [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] and was partially, if not totally devastated by his attack. The status of the planet and its inhabitants following Thunderwing's attack remains unrevealed.

===Ladybird books continuity===
In the series of [[Ladybird Books]] published in the UK the Nebulans are portrayed as small robots, similar to the concept used in the Japanese [[Headmasters (franchise)|Headmasters]] series. They live in large transformer scaled, glass and metal cities.

The planet Nebulos derives most of its power from a pulsar at the edge of its galaxy. A fluke of gravity leads most of the pulsar’s radiation to be directed at Nebulos where it is focused on the northern pole. Nebulos’ magnetic field is then used by the Nebulans to guide the energy to the areas of the planet it is needed.

The planet contains a mysterious area known as the Nebulos Triangle, where technology ceases to work. The area is made up of a large metal surface and a huge lake of mercury. It is the metal surface that causes the failure of technology although its origin is unknown.

The planet lacks adequate resources to synthesise the lubricants used by transformers in sufficient quantities. A vast underground lake of oil does however exist beneath a desert plain between mountain ranges.

==Unicron Trilogy==
Following the conclusion of the [[Energon (franchise)|Energon War]], the [[Autobot]] [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] spent some time on the planet Nebulon. There he picked up a new accent from the locals, which to some [[human]] ears resembles that of Australians. Sort of.

Little else is known of this version of Nebulon, other than that its pea soup is notably thick.

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