Talk:Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)

2014-09-08T16:37:15Z

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== Archives ==

*[[Talk:Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)/Archive 1|Archive 1]] - discussion from before the actual release of the film

== "Explicable discrepancies"? ==

Do we really need a section that's basically TFWiki users attempting to Marvel No-Prize the movie's slip-ups?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:35, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
: NOPE. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 01:38, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
::We've had this for the other movies, for common stuff like "Why did Astrotrain need to jettison weight?" Not defending the current content, but it isn't unprecedented. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 08:19, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

==Cyclonus?==
So, did Cyclonus appeared in this movie? [[User:Xenotime|Xenotime]] ([[User talk:Xenotime|talk]]) 05:40, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
:No. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:54, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
::Some KSI Prototypes were based on his concept robot mode though.[[User:Observedhalo|Observedhalo]] ([[User talk:Observedhalo|talk]]) 03:39, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
No he was the code name for Galvatron.[[User:Speedzone7|Speedzone7]]

== Foreign names ==

[http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Donny_Finkleberg&diff=prev&oldid=736467]
[http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Skyquake_(Prime)&diff=prev&oldid=814427]
[http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Transcendent_Technomorph&diff=prev&oldid=810163]
I found these as evidence off-hand. There are other, more direct examples, but after trawling through eight thousand of Walky's contribs and two thousand of Sipher's, I could no longer be arsed to keep looking. Additionally, as I mentioned, those names are clutter. The film is called either ''Age of Extinction'' or ''Lost Age''--or a direct translation thereof--in all but a couple of languages. Ergo, we don't care about the French, Italian, Spanish, etc., titles, just the English one and those that are different from both it and from any other title. [[User:Pirateblue|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue|talk]]) 16:35, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
:All episode articles show foreign names regardless of whether they're direct translations or not. Movie articles aren't any different. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 17:13, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
::Yes, cartoon episodes do show all foreign names. However, ''episodes'' are not the same thing as ''movies''; episode pages note '''original airdate''' and discrepancies form the original. Movie pages do not, and should not, note this stuff; that belongs in '''Other editions'''. The bits that ''are'' notable, however, are the names that aren't "Age of Extinction" or "Lost Age": for example, the fact that in Mandarin, it's "Extinct Rebirth" or that it has no subtitle whatsoever in Argentina. Having no less than '''fourteen''' word-for-word translations of "Age of Extinction" in one big blob prevents the reader from seeing the interesting stuff. [[User:Pirateblue|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue|talk]]) 18:14, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
:::"Lost Age" is the same title as "Age of Extinction"? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:43, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
::::No, it is not; there are, however, fourteen other names in that list that are. [[User:Pirateblue|Pirateblue]] ([[User talk:Pirateblue|talk]]) 20:01, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

== Synopsis ==

Wait, was that originally copied and pasted from Wikipedia? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:10, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
:Everything besides the Psittacosaurus scene that I added to the beginning is from wikipedia, I think. I changed parts of it, but other than that, it seems to matches Wikipedia's. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:17, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
::The copied parts kinda need to be rewritten in that case! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:03, 29 June 2014 (EDT)

== "_______ Decepticon" generics ==
Wouldn't it better suit them to be called "_______ Vehicon"?--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] ([[User talk:Carrion|talk]]) 21:48, 29 June 2014 (EDT)
:Well, Vehicon wouldn't really be correct either, since the only non-Kre-O AOE things to officially be named Vehicons are [[Vehicon (AOE)|these toy-only guys]], but I agree that 'Decepticon' isn't really appropriate either. Maybe '_____ robot'? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 10:30, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
::In the movie, the manmade Transformers are referred to be three designations: "KSI's newest civilian prototype robots" (by a KSI staff member), "the Prototypes" (by one of the main human cast members), and "Brothers" (by Galvatron). If they're to be referred to as anything in a general sense (meaning both before and after the film's climax), I'd say just "Prototypes" would be the safest term. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:34, 3 July 2014 (EDT)

== Paleontology weeps ==

Why do we need this? The Dinobots clearly weren't made by the grenade blast, so there's no reason to presume they're anything but generically based on the fossils seen by the Creators -- their size, lack of organic carapace a la Alice, ''twin heads'', and very non-standard spikes-every-gotdang-where should make it clear they're intended to be closer to the Animated Dinobots than direct scanning.

Plus, isn't that how virtually every series has done the Dinobots anyway?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 09:48, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
:It's talking about a sequence at the beginning with real dinosaurs, although quite frankly, it's one of the most accurate depictions of dinosaurs I've seen in cinema. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:42, 30 June 2014 (EDT)
::But do we still need that last bit about the Dinobots not looking like dinosaurs? I mean, they're space robots and as has been said already, there isn't any reason to not presume that they were only generically based on ancient fossils instead of some direct scan. [[User:LordTacos|LordTacos]] ([[User talk:LordTacos|talk]]) 20:31, 4 July 2014 (EDT)
::: You'd think Strafe would "be the biggest offender" by NOT BEING A FRIGGIN' DINOSAUR. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:31, 4 July 2014 (EDT)
::::Done.[[User:Observedhalo|Observedhalo]] ([[User talk:Observedhalo|talk]]) 03:50, 5 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::Still objecting to the herbivore line and the aesthetics tidbit. There is no reason to believe that the Dinobots were created from actual dinosaurs (size, two-headed Pteranodon, etc.); Alice's unskinned form is just as much a human as these guys are dinosaurs. Even if they were, the Seeds appear to add frills to the things they explode on, as seen with the dug-up dinosaur shells and wossname who dies at the beginning. Finally, virtually all of the Dinobots we've seen, barring the IDW guys and Beast Wars, were created from scratch ''based-on'' dinosaurs rather than scanning them (and even those were scanning fossils, not live specimens).[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 11:07, 8 July 2014 (EDT)

Which other Michael Bay film began with the extinction of the dinosaurs? I assumed it was Armageddon, but its Wikipedia article doesn't mention it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:46, 14 July 2014 (EDT)
:Yep, Armageddon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy2QyiedFV0 -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:12, 14 July 2014 (EDT)

=="Four years" of "five years"==
Didn't Attinger or some other character in the film mention "five", not "four" years? [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] ([[User talk:CAJH|talk]]) 15:36, 7 July 2014 (EDT)

:Is anyone reading this? I meant that even though it was previously reported to be that the fourth movie takes palve four years after the third one, in the movie it is said that the Chicago's destruction happened FIVE years ago. [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] ([[User talk:CAJH|talk]]) 11:03, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
::Yeah, I noticed that too, wasn't sure if I misheard at the time. In-fiction information trumps promotional copy, I suppose. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:36, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

==Picture Captions==
Seeing how the [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|DOTM]] page all has Star Trek quotes in its captions, should AOE use Game of Thrones quotes? We already have "Winter Is Coming / Brace yourself." --[[User:Dragonzzilla|Dragonzzilla]] ([[User talk:Dragonzzilla|talk]]) 17:11, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
:Might be a good idea, we definitely need a caption theme or all of the new editors who joined due to AOE will be writing any old thing. --[[User:TheSpartanD|TheSpartanD]] ([[User talk:TheSpartanD|talk]]) 18:34, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
::I think we decided on Jurassic Park: The Lost World quotes in the AllSpark thread. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:35, 10 July 2014 (EDT)
:::Well, something dinosaur-y at least. The Land Before Time was also mooted. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 18:39, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

== Prototypes or Decepticons ==

Seeing as there is no description of what Galvatron's army is in the film, what should we call them in the film articles? --[[User:TheSpartanD|TheSpartanD]] ([[User talk:TheSpartanD|talk]]) 09:31, 18 July 2014 (EDT)
We can call then traxes,bosses and two heads.[[User:Speedzone7|Speedzone7]]

== Heads ==
I do not understand why Sentinel Prime's head and Megatron's head are listed as part of the "Main Cast." Those aren't characters, those are props. Okay, maybe I can see it with Megatron given the story, but Sentinel Prime's head is not part of the "Main Cast." Or part of the "cast" at all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:35, 20 July 2014 (EDT)
:Because "the funny". [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|Bioniclepluslotr]] ([[User talk:Bioniclepluslotr|talk]]) 10:10, 8 August 2014 (EDT)

== Captions ==
Ok, who came up with the image captions? They don't make any sense and aren't even funny. [[User:Bioniclepluslotr|Bioniclepluslotr]] ([[User talk:Bioniclepluslotr|talk]]) 10:10, 8 August 2014 (EDT)

==More Images==
A friend of mine recorded the film with a HD camera (or so I think) in the cinema. Besides the occasional Chinese subtitles showing, the video is pretty clear and can be used for screenshots. Should I use them to contribute to the wiki? [[User:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|Convoy]] ([[User talk:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|talk]]) 18:36, 27 August 2014 (EDT)
:No, you should not. Camrips are illegal and the wiki does not use them. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 06:39, 27 August 2014 (EDT)
::Thanks. I understand. [[User:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|Convoy]] ([[User talk:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|talk]]) 18:43, 27 August 2014 (EDT)

== Prototype error? ==
So throughout the film when the prototypes die they leak the green liquid bay seems to love, How did KSI get this? Surely they couldn't just salvage it from bits of Transformers. Even if they did what would the use be as they didn't have to function on their own. Since this didn't have much of an explanation should it be noted in errors? [[User:Dannydew|Dannydew]] ([[User talk:Dannydew|talk]]) 18:05, 30 August 2014 (EDT)
:That's nothing like notable enough to be listed as an error. If they can harvest Transformium from dead Transformers, why not fluids? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 18:15, 30 August 2014 (EDT)
True, what would the purpose be of it though? I think the prototypes had quite a few unthought things, like Two Heads, Now that was not consumer friendly. [[User:Dannydew|Dannydew]] ([[User talk:Dannydew|talk]]) 18:25, 30 August 2014 (EDT)
:The prototypes are clearly not turning out as intended, since Joyce gripes about Galvatron turning out looking like Megatron instead of Optimus Prime. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:45, 30 August 2014 (EDT)

== Why hunt the Autobots? ==

Attinger is asked by the POTUS's liason, why not escort the Autobots off Earth, since they worked so closely with them in the past? Why are they hunted instead of being properly escorted off the planet? - [[User:J-Plane020|J-Plane020]] ([[User talk:J-Plane020|talk]]) 12:37, 8 September 2014 (EDT)

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