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== Bob Harras and others have been laid off from DC Comics ==

After serving as DC Comics' editor-in-chief for 10 years, '''[[Bob Harras]]''' has been laid off. (In 1985, Harras was promoted to editor, after serving as [[Ralph Macchio]]'s assistant for at least two years. In 1992, he was promoted to '''X-Men Group Editor'''. In 1995, he was promoted to '''X-Men Group Editor-in-Chief'''. Later in 1995, he was named Marvel Comics' '''overall editor-in-chief'''. In 2000, he left Marvel Comics.)

Also, '''[[Bobbie Chase]]'''--DC Comics' vice-president of global publishing initiatives and digital strategy--has been laid off. (From 1986 to 1988, Chase served as Harras' '''assistant editor'''. (They edited all of the ''G.I. Joe'' titles Marvel had published.) In 1988, she was promoted to '''editor''' (and took over all of the ''G.I. Joe'' titles Marvel had published). In 1992, she was promoted to '''Ghost Rider Group Editor'''. In 1995, she was promoted to '''Marvel Edge (a short-lived imprint) editor-in-chief'''. But in 1996, she was demoted to editor--and sometime later, she defected to DC Comics.)

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/dc-comics-layoffs-bob-harras-brian-cunningham/

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 22:11, 12 August 2020 (EDT)

Talk:Furmanism

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Jeff39042: /* How about...? */

This is awesome. In a "so bad it's good" sort of way. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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This is obviously an incomplete list. I also have some that were only repeated once, sometimes in differing forms, which I won't add to the page proper until we find at least one more iteration. If you can find more of any of these, feel free to add them.

Here's my remainder:

===WHOLE WORLD OF PAIN===
*"Get ready, quite literally... for a whole WORLD of pain!" -- Starscream, G2 #11
*"It's about PAIN, Megatron... here's a whole WORLD of it!" -- Starscream, TWWv1 #3

===DOWN TO EARTH--LITERALLY!===
*"Aww, did I bring the poor Autobot '''down to earth''' with a bump?" --'''Rumble, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #6'''
*"Let's bring these latter-generation big shots '''down to earth'''!" --'''Skydive, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #10'''
*"Bring him '''down to earth!'''" --'''Lio Convoy, ''Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #3'''

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm waaaay too comfortable lying on my couch here to go upstairs and find the book and check, but I want to say Swoop did the whole "better to die than run" shtick when the Dinobots were fighting the demons in #76...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::Indeed! Good memory. Hold on... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Now there are '''three''' phrases in which '''down to earth''' is meant '''literally'''.
--[[User:Jeff S|Jeff S]] 08:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Call me humorless if you wish- ==

Normally, I love the humor here. I like that we don't always take everything seriously. However, I think this article is taking things a little far. Boo to this section, basically. Boo-urns, in fact. It feels like it's trashing Furman for no good reason. And I've never heard ANYONE say- "Hey, a similar bit of dialogue in a Simon Furman comic! Must be a Furmanism!"

And, seriously,you don't think some of it is intentional (particularly issue 67)?

I just don't see how this has a place here. --DJ Convoy

:...I saw it as a celebration of Furmanisms, actually. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

::Pretty much. Furman is my main man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there's gotta be more IT NEVER ENDSes than the three I got, right? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
: Well, uh, I wasn't counting the IT NEVER ENDSes on purpose, because Furman does those on purpose, as an intentional self-referential running-gag to his original G1 send-off letter. I don't think it really belongs in this article, as such. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, being a cartoon-centric guy I didn't actually know what the original source of it was. It still strikes me as qualifying as a "Furmanism" though, albeit with a note in the article about it's origin and nature. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I'd never called them Furmanisms before now either, but I do now. As for disrespect... Well, I think a Transfan has to kinda be a Furman fan by definition really. --[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 22:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Not so. I'm a Transformers fan and I don't like Furman's writing much at all. However, I've heard the term "Furmanism" for years online, so it makes sense for this article to exist.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 23:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::You only "have" to like Furman if you like the print media. Certainly no one is mandated to be a fan of Flint Dille--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC).

== REAP THE WHIRLWILD ==

Simon must be a huge Young Guns fan. =D--[[User:Speedbreaker|Speedbreaker]] 04:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't it from the bible though? "They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind", something along those lines? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this one is a little unfair - I bought a cheap pocket paperback X-Men compilation thing and Clairemont used this same phrase twice and only two issues apart. Rather than a Furmanism, it seems to be common comic-book language. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 11:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== On predatory birds and hovering thereof ==

Seriously, we really should include those. Yes, yes, it was only used one other time... but it's by far the most unique of them all. Also, hilarious. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Today while I was at work, I picked up the Transformers Movie Guide and pawed through it. I noticed for the first time this sentence talking about Megatron's alt mode:
*"Like some dread bird of prey, Megatron would hang suspended in the upper atmosphere, raining lightning bolts down on enemy emplacements while his drone (ground) troopers picked off any who attempted to flee or fight back."
--[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:What I'm curious about is, is that close enough to count? If yes, we've finally reached the required three birds of prey. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::I would count it! Sweeeeet. (Furman wrote it, right?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:::[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Movie-Guide-Simon-Furman/dp/0756630134/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1728203-3352961?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191457670&sr=8-1 Non wiki-based proof] for you. We have an article for the book, but I'm sure you'd prefer a source that isn't editable. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 00:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
== Another Time And Place Furmanisms? ==
I seem to recall the Another Time And Place text story ending with the "It Never Ends" furmanism.. can anyone confirm? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It does. Though I'm still iffy on its inclusion in this article without some sort of disclaimer, as he purposefully includes it all the freakin' time (like even in the You Can Draw Transformers book) as some sort of calling card. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:: If he includes it on purpose, wouldn't that make it that much more a Furmanism?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think it would. [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 03:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: In fact, we should have the article end with that section, with the last one being the one from the You Can Draw Transformers book. [[User:Kaosu Reido|Kaosu Reido]] 20:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
::::: He uses it in that book too? HAH! This article should totally do what Kaosu just said it should do. [[User:70.55.211.238|70.55.211.238]] 06:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Since "It never ends!" now is included, I should point out that there's another one, by Shockwave at the end of Time Wars. Don't have the book handy now, so I can't make an exact quote. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Down to earth ==

I spotted the phrase ''down to earth''--used in a '''literal''' sense--in two issues of ''Transformers: Generation 2'' (#6, "The Gathering Darkness"; #10, "War Dawn").

'''-Jeff Steele'''
: Those are already noted further up the page. Thanks, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Not exactly "fight and die"==
There's Crankcase's "Better to die a warrior's death than endure this ''mockery'' of life!" from "The Rise and Fall of the Decepticon Empire"... same theme. Usable? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say so. Look at the section, there are a bunch of em that are similar to "fight and die" but not 100% the same. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== What Order Should They Be Listed In? ==

Given that we're dealing with a short list, I'm not sure the Furmanisms necessarily need to be in alphabetical order. (It's also not a list people are going to be looking things up in. ''"Hey, I wonder if 'In for a penny, in for a pound' is a Furmanism? I better look under 'I' . . . "'')
Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Alphabetical order is better than arbitrary. Though if I had to pick a different ordering system, I'd suggest the order in which they first appeared in fiction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::The order I was trying to put them in was not (quite) arbitrary. It was an attempt to tell a story as if two characters were talking in nothing but Furmanisms. (E.g., "It can be destroyed!" as a response to "What chance do we have?") This is, admittedly, quirky, esoteric, and serves no purpose but The Funny, but I'm not certain alphabetical order serves ''any'' purpose besides "not arbitrary". [[User:JW|JW]] 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::Or, we could list them in the order they appear in today's Shortpacked . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 11:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd much rather they be in an order that's accessible to others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, A) I was joking about Shortpacked. (By the way, keep up the good work.) And, B) a list of only ''ten'' items is accessible by default. It can be reviewed in seconds with a flick of the mouse. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
: I gotta say that I really liked having "IT NEVER ENDS" right next to "IT'S OVER - FINISHED!" [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 16:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Heck, if we change the header from "OVER -- FINISHED" to "IT IS OVER -- FINISHED", we can do that, and keep Walky happy. One of the sample quotes uses "it is over", and another two use "it's over", so this is quite justifiable. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Furman sound effects==
Should we do a Furman sound effects article to accompany this? I'd love to see the instances of 'FFN' :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the other day that we should include "GNNGH". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying. I had forgotten about this given that everybody else (who are vastly more well-versed in the comics than I) evidently couldn't be bothered answering. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Sadly, Furman stopped using SPOOMS! once we started asking him in person to use them more. We apologize. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: A sound effects section should prolly be on this article. A steller example is Grimlock's Ff. Tt. Hf. etc. in the first ''The War Within''. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Why did he stop? Did he realize you guys were lightly mocking his 'isms'? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, what happened? I thought you guys LOVED Furman sound effects! If Furmanisms are good enough for catalogue, then sound effects should damn well be catalogued, too! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:How would we categorize these? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::As in the type of article or within the article itself? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Within this article. I'm sure every story has some sort of sound effects. Are there particular ones Furman uses more than others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::SPOOM!
::::Unfortunately, this sort of article would require the services of somebody like Walky and his friends who, as I understand, are great fans of Furman's sound effects and speech patterns. My own knowledge is painfully limited. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Nemesis Pt 2 ==

as anyone checked Nemesis part 2 for Furmanisms? He did write it, after all. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno about Furmanisms, but the angry shouting-at-the-sky speech about Tigerhawk's death Primal has just outside their base is pretty damn Furmanesque. It's so awesome to see Furman material acted out. But no specific Furmanisms come to mind... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

==A STING in the tail!==
This one pops up when Pincer transforms in.... issue #63? And again in the Magnus Spotlight. Can we get a third, do I hear a third, third third third? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

"Oww! There's just one thing wrong with your little sage, Decepticon. You see, this story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Pincher, "Deadly Obsession" (''Transformers'' #64)

"And this little story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Scorponok, ''Spotlight: Ultra Magnus''

"'''Sting in the tail''': The Dinobot called Snarl can transform into an armored stegosaurus. In battle, he swings his tail at the enemy."

-A brief description of Snarl in ''Transformers: The Ultimate Sticker Book'' (I'm sure [[Simon Furman|you know who]] had something to do with it!)

'''Jeff Steele'''

==He hesitates - and is LOST!==
"He hesitates - and is lost!" -- narrative box, UK #116
"It hesitated and lost EVERYTHING!" -- Dreadwind, UK #218

There's GOT to be one more of these.

== Time we weren't here ==

Hot Rod in Devastation #3, page 8.

This sounds vaguely familiar. Did it get used in Furman stories before? If yes, would it qualify for a Furmanism, or is it too generic?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:Having finally had the chance to read this issue I have to agree that line sounds very familiar, but I can't recall where from... And Nevermore, I think the way Furman says it is unique to him, I've never heard that type of phrase before he came about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Having not yet read Devastation #3, I can say that it's VERY familiar to me as a Furmanism, and I'm 99% sure we could find three examples somewhere. "Time I wasn't here," perhaps. Thing is, he uses so much English colloquialism that I'm rarely ever sure if his phrases are HIS or just from his dialect. "On balance, I prefer...." "My advice to one and all..." I'm not sure where to draw the line, ultimately. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Who are we to play god?==
- "This is hopeless! How am I to decide who deserves life the most? Who am I to play god?" -- Optimus Prime, UK #250 {{storylink|The Greatest Gift of All!}}
 - Prime to Omega Supreme {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}
 - Doubleheader to Longtooth {{Storylink|Deadly Obsession}}
 - "Pray tell, Optimus Primal... how it feels to play GOD?" - Depth Charge {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe)|Homecoming}}
:-- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::That one sounds like more of a genuine turn of phrase to me. If we can find many more than these three, I can be convinced it's an actual Furmanism, rather than just something people say. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It is a phrase people use- but I'm pretty sure Furman hits it heavily. It might be worth referencing ''if'' you can find some stock intro format he uses before it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Things Fall Apart==
I noticed this while flipping through the DK Ultimate Guide the other day, and it seemed vaugely familiar. Wasn't it used in some semi-recent IDW comic? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 13:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_%28poem%29 "The Second Coming" by Yeats] gets quoted in a lot of places. Since it's not original to Furman, I don't think we can count it as a Furmanism. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:: I am clearly a literary idiot. Thanks! ...then again, if "Reap The Whirlwind" counts, and that's not something Furman came up with himself, should we discount "Things Fall Apart" if more examples can be found? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 01:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Good question . . . let's first see if he does use "things fall apart" the requisite three times . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::This is used in Regeneration One 80.5 and several other places. I think it should count. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 01:07, 12 May 2012 (EDT)

==How many times?==
*"Again he has cheated death. A chance in a million has turned defeat into victory. How many more times, he wonders..." --Narration, [[...The Harder They Die!]]
*"Curse you, Optimus Prime! How many times? How '''many?!'''" --Megatron, [[Under Fire!]]
*"How many, eh? HOw many have to '''die''' for you to get your jollies? '''HOW MANY?'''" --Ratchet, [[A Savage Circle]]
*"How many times did we both die... only to live again? A vicious cycle from which there seemed no escape." --Optimus Prime, [[New Dawn#"Tales of Earth Part Four"|Tales of Earth, Part Four]]
*"''Curse you'', Rodimus Prime -- ''how many times must I destroy you?''" -- Galvatron, [[Rhythms of Darkness!]]
For your consideration --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Heh. I like the... insistence of the third one, put into context with the rest. But I'd still actually vote against this. It's just a little too generic - to my sensibilities, anyway. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I was wondering, which is why I didn't throw it in automatically. Let's see what other people think, and maybe someone can dig up more of these to solidify it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::: If we make it more specific and go with the "How many times? HOW MANY?" part, then I think we've got something. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 23:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==DEAD wrong!==
* "Urr...if you think we're beaten, Autobot -- you're ''dead'' wrong!" -- Bludgeon {{storylink|The Lesser Evil}}
: Isn't 'dead wrong' a pretty common phrase?--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, but not as a pun roughly translating to "you are wrong, and you are also dead." I haven't read the story in question, but it sounds like that's what he's saying. [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

==What do you think you're playing at?==
*"Uhn! Blast it, Backstreet! What're you playing at?" -- Dogfight, "[[Race with the Devil]]"
* "Whaddaya think you're playing at, Inferno?" -- Broadside, "[[Survivors!]]"
* "''What'' do you think" "you're playing at?" -- Doubleheader, "[[Whose Lifeforce Is It Anyway?]]"
* "''Hey!'' What are you playing at, ''Nightbeat''?" -- Kup, "[[The Pri¢e of Life!]]"
: Totally vouching for this one, it's one of my favorite Furmanisms. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==No! You're dead!==
* "No! Y-you were dead... I killed you!" -- Thunderwing, "[[The Big Shutdown!]]"
* "No! It - it ''can't'' be you... you're dead!" -- Ratchet, "[[Back from the Dead]]"
* "No! I saw you die, felt your ''aura'' leave its mortal remains! You were ''no more!''" -- Bludgeon, "[[End of the Road!]]"
* "YOU did this... but you're DEAD!" -- Dreadwind, "[[Race with the Devil]]" (cover)
* "No! It can't be you... you're dead!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]" (cover)
* "Nooo! You're - you're dead... ''dead!'' I saw you die!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]"

==Shattered Expectations==
Should there be some mention here about the reverse Furmanisms in the Shattered Expectations April Fools comic pages? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Power Beyond Measure==
* "Flee! Power beyond measure, this one has! His light--hurts!" --Demon, re: ActionMaster Grimlock
* "I offer you dark secrets, whispers from the timelost past; power--BEYOND MEASURE!" --The Fallen

Okay, the last one isn't an exact quote, but the Furmanism was definitely carried over. And I'm naggingly sure I've heard it much more often than that....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== INTO ITS MAW ==

I know this has been used in several instances. Laserbeak thrown into Slag's maw in [[Dinobot Hunt!]], Prime plunging the Matrix into Unicron's maw, that creature with the matrix energy in it's maw. Any others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:If we end up using it, it should be "ITS MAW", not "IT'S MAW". Possessive, not contraction. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed. Made a typo. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Putting our own house in order ==

I believe this one has been said enough times to qualify as one.
* Care to give us some examples, champ? [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:54, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

== Well and truly... ==

I think this qualifies. Furman's been hitting it really hard recently. I think we should starting collecting them!--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:26, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Movie adaptation ==

Got the ROTF Movie adaptation trade from Target the other day. There are no less than three Furmanisms in it, four if we decide to add "well and truly".

However, do you think we should wait to see if any of these lines are in the actual movie, and thus probably not originally not written by Furman? I doubt it, but I guess we should wait to see to be safe.

*"Done"? I fear, Major Lennox...that it NEVER ends!"- Optimus Prime

*"Hm. Don't recognize the make and model, but I know the form. Time I wasn't he- AAAARGHHH!"- Jetfire ALMOST gets it out

*"This world and all on it...shall die SCREAMING."- The Fallen

--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== Not limited to just Furman? ==
In an issue of Anderson: Psi Judge (Posession, to be specific) from the Judge Dredd series, one of the characters used one of the popular Furmanisms. I checked, and the credits were by Alan Grant under the name R Clark. I'm not sure if this is worth a mention or not, and I'm not a contributor, so I'll just leave you guys with a link http://i25.tinypic.com/vql4is.png
:Thanks for pointing that out. It does bring up something I've wondered about in the past: Where's the line between "Furmanism" and "British colloquialism"? Or should we care at all? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::I'd say "well and truly" is a borderline case. It's just a popular idiom over here - 14,500,000 results from Google would seem to back this up - rather than a phrase Furman invented to make robots sound cool. Does that matter? Maybe, because I'm thinking that beyond the IDWverse, there's probably a million examples to be found in Marvel UK, if not Furman's US run. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 04:13, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE ==
* "DECEPTICONS- Let's hear the call... NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE!" --Headstrong. [[Stormbringer issue 4]]
* "No Mercy!" "No Limits!" "No one... GETS OUT ALIVE!" --various Predacons. [[The Ascending issue 4|''Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #4]]
* "That Said, However it goes... NO ONE gets out alive." -- Scorponok. [[Maximum Dinobots issue 3]]

No clue if this appears elsewhere, but it sounds like it should be a furmanism.--[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 15:37, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

yeah, fairly certain i've heard this elsewhere too.--[[Special:Contributions/68.9.60.113|68.9.60.113]] 16:23, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

== -- Just ran out! ==

* "Predacons. Whatever period of grace we might've had -- just ran out!" --Bonecrusher. [[The Gathering issue 4]]

Ran across this, and I know I've heard something like it before. Going to start looking. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 07:14, 24 December 2009 (EST)

::Ooh, um, Gen 2 #9, if recall correctly too. On the very last page. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 11:21, 24 December 2009 (EST)
==Fall Damn you, FALL!==
Seen said by Megatron in Armada Worlds Collide arc by Dreamwave in issue #16 and in One of the Beast Wars comics by IDW (I forget where I saw it now.) I also feel I've heard it somewhere else before..but I figured sense both were clearly by Furman, sounds like a Furmanism to me.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
::Eh, probably too generic. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 07:45, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:::It's a reference to ''something'', isn't it? (*feels stupid for not being able to recall off the top of her head*) Mowry uses it in TotF #6, too, and it sounds familiar somehow. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:12, 9 January 2010 (EST)

[[Image:Battleofautobotcity.jpg|left|180px|thumb]]Yeah....

"Out of the way, Hot Rod!" 
"Fall! FALL!" 
"I would've waited an eternity for this. It's over Prime." 
"NEVER!"

Little familiar... --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 12:07, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, I remembered ''that'' bit, but I meant this specific variation I could swear got used outside of the comics, too. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:26, 9 January 2010 (EST)

::The Fall, Damn U Fall, was used by Magmatron to Grimlock in [[Transformers: Beast Wars: The Gathering|The Gathering]] issue 3 or 4. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:34, 9 January 2010 (EST)

== End of the Road! ==

* [[End of the Road! (UK)]]
* [[End of the Road! (US)]]
* Cover of [[A Rage in Heaven!]]
* Also, as noted on the UK page, he also used it for the last issue of ''Dragon's Claws''.

Seems like Furman rather liked using that phrase whenever he had a finale, and considering half the characters turn into road vehicles, it's rather appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 16:53, 25 September 2010 (EDT)
* He also used it in Devastation #3. It's apparently common enough that the LSotW paperback included a few references to it, in its rapid-fire [[Fisitronism]]s. --75.25.141.40 6:05, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

== THE TRUE MEANING OF POWER ==

* "It is time to '''educate''' you '''in ''the true meaning of power!'''''

Galvatron, [[Out of Time!]] (''Transformers'' #73)

*"I will show Starscream, or whoever has control of the Warworld, ''the true '''meaning''' of power.''

Jhiaxus, [[Dark Shadows!]] (''Transformers: Generation 2'' #11)

[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 05:18, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

== Why? ==

Maybe its just that I didn't read much of the Marvel comic, but I don't really see the need for this page. Most of these are fairly standard pulp fiction cliches. "Reap the whirlwind" is even a Biblical quote! The only one that seems original to me is the "vast predatory bird". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:Fans have had fun at the expense of these for years. Furman's acknowledged it in good fun. Seems important/notable enough for me. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 21:07, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

== Irrevocably! ==

I seem to recall the word 'irrevocably' being used a lot in Furman stories.{{unsigned}}
: I think we should probably require more than one word in our Furmanisms. There's a fuzzy line somewhere between "amusing" and "petty." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:40, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

== Got to-- SPOOM! ==

Where does "Got to-- SPOOM!" come from? It's referenced all over the wiki, but the links all point to the Furmanism page, and the only reference on the Furmanism page goes to Crossblades (G1), which just links back to Furmanism. Where did it originally come from? [[Special:Contributions/92.15.171.251|92.15.171.251]] 08:39, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
: It's a portmandeau of a "TIME I MADE A STAND" variant and a sound effect he used twice, where the sum of their parts recreates how Furman liked to kill folks in the middle of reacting to incoming bad guys. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:11, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

::Ah, thanks.[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 17:07, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

== other writers? SG versions? enough already? ==

Does the word [[Furmanism]] only refer to instances actually written by [[Simon Furman]], with other writers' usages merely paying [[homage]]? Case in point: [[Dungeons_%26_Dinobots|Dungeons & Dinobots]] is written by [[Trent Troop]] and [[Greg Sepelak]], and has [[Carnivac (SG)]] saying "Come, villain! The Mayhem Suppression Squad has shown you its valor, ''[[Furmanism#CAN_I_DO_LESS.3F|can you not do more]]''?"

Speaking of [[Shattered Glass]], [[Furmanism#Notes]] notes that
*In the "[[Shattered Expectations (SG)|Shattered Expectations]]" April Fools comic, [[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]] uses a reverse Furmanism: "Once we have this secret technology the Decepticon insurgency will be FINISHED... OVER!" He later uses it (for real) in "[[Eye in the Sky]]". In later parts of the ''[[Shattered Glass]]'' universe, the Furmanisms begin getting not only flipped but fully mirrored.
Does that statement suffice for all SG Furmanismatics?

Does the [[Furmanism]] article have enough examples to illustrate the existence of the phenomenon, so not ''every'' [[Talk:Furmanism#ROTF_Movie_adaptation|example]] NEEDS to be listed?

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 02:12, 4 February 2014 (EST)

== AS FAST AS I DARE ==

'''"I'm already going ''as fast as I dare'' in these conditions!"'''

[[Doubleheader]], [[Deadly Obsession]]

'''"I'm pushing it ''as fast as I dare'' right now!'''

[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], [[The Last Autobot?]]

'''"We're going ''as fast we dare''. We've had too many setbacks to rush things right now."'''

[[Abraham Dante]], ''[[Escalation]] #5''

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 05:34, 4 February 2014 (EST)

::Eh, seems like too common an expression, not specific enough to Furman. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 12:00, 4 February 2014 (EST)

== Sheeagh ==

What the heck does that mean? {{unsigned|Skywarp Prime}}
:It's just a death scream. Also, sign your posts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:59, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
Sorry about that.[[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

== DUMB ANIMALS ==
"Haw! It's come to something when '''Decepticon''' leaders start worrying about '''''dumb animals!'''''"

'''Ruckus, [[Deadly Obsession]]'''

"'''Hah!''' Look at them '''cringe''' and '''cower!''' Pathetic puddles of '''flesh!''' Humans--what a wholly '''forgettable''' form of life! Ironic then, that the key me winning the leadership of the Decepticons may well depend on one of these ''dumb animals!''"

'''Starscream, [[The Human Factor!]]'''

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 16:18, 28 January 2020 (EST)

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This is awesome. In a "so bad it's good" sort of way. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

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This is obviously an incomplete list. I also have some that were only repeated once, sometimes in differing forms, which I won't add to the page proper until we find at least one more iteration. If you can find more of any of these, feel free to add them.

Here's my remainder:

===WHOLE WORLD OF PAIN===
*"Get ready, quite literally... for a whole WORLD of pain!" -- Starscream, G2 #11
*"It's about PAIN, Megatron... here's a whole WORLD of it!" -- Starscream, TWWv1 #3

===DOWN TO EARTH--LITERALLY!===
*"Aww, did I bring the poor Autobot '''down to earth''' with a bump?" --'''Rumble, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #6'''
*"Let's bring these latter-generation big shots '''down to earth'''!" --'''Skydive, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #10'''
*"Bring him '''down to earth!'''" --'''Lio Convoy, ''Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #3'''

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm waaaay too comfortable lying on my couch here to go upstairs and find the book and check, but I want to say Swoop did the whole "better to die than run" shtick when the Dinobots were fighting the demons in #76...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::Indeed! Good memory. Hold on... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Now there are '''three''' phrases in which '''down to earth''' is meant '''literally'''.
--[[User:Jeff S|Jeff S]] 08:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Call me humorless if you wish- ==

Normally, I love the humor here. I like that we don't always take everything seriously. However, I think this article is taking things a little far. Boo to this section, basically. Boo-urns, in fact. It feels like it's trashing Furman for no good reason. And I've never heard ANYONE say- "Hey, a similar bit of dialogue in a Simon Furman comic! Must be a Furmanism!"

And, seriously,you don't think some of it is intentional (particularly issue 67)?

I just don't see how this has a place here. --DJ Convoy

:...I saw it as a celebration of Furmanisms, actually. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

::Pretty much. Furman is my main man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there's gotta be more IT NEVER ENDSes than the three I got, right? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
: Well, uh, I wasn't counting the IT NEVER ENDSes on purpose, because Furman does those on purpose, as an intentional self-referential running-gag to his original G1 send-off letter. I don't think it really belongs in this article, as such. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, being a cartoon-centric guy I didn't actually know what the original source of it was. It still strikes me as qualifying as a "Furmanism" though, albeit with a note in the article about it's origin and nature. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I'd never called them Furmanisms before now either, but I do now. As for disrespect... Well, I think a Transfan has to kinda be a Furman fan by definition really. --[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 22:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Not so. I'm a Transformers fan and I don't like Furman's writing much at all. However, I've heard the term "Furmanism" for years online, so it makes sense for this article to exist.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 23:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::You only "have" to like Furman if you like the print media. Certainly no one is mandated to be a fan of Flint Dille--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC).

== REAP THE WHIRLWILD ==

Simon must be a huge Young Guns fan. =D--[[User:Speedbreaker|Speedbreaker]] 04:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't it from the bible though? "They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind", something along those lines? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this one is a little unfair - I bought a cheap pocket paperback X-Men compilation thing and Clairemont used this same phrase twice and only two issues apart. Rather than a Furmanism, it seems to be common comic-book language. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 11:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== On predatory birds and hovering thereof ==

Seriously, we really should include those. Yes, yes, it was only used one other time... but it's by far the most unique of them all. Also, hilarious. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Today while I was at work, I picked up the Transformers Movie Guide and pawed through it. I noticed for the first time this sentence talking about Megatron's alt mode:
*"Like some dread bird of prey, Megatron would hang suspended in the upper atmosphere, raining lightning bolts down on enemy emplacements while his drone (ground) troopers picked off any who attempted to flee or fight back."
--[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:What I'm curious about is, is that close enough to count? If yes, we've finally reached the required three birds of prey. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::I would count it! Sweeeeet. (Furman wrote it, right?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:::[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Movie-Guide-Simon-Furman/dp/0756630134/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1728203-3352961?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191457670&sr=8-1 Non wiki-based proof] for you. We have an article for the book, but I'm sure you'd prefer a source that isn't editable. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 00:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
== Another Time And Place Furmanisms? ==
I seem to recall the Another Time And Place text story ending with the "It Never Ends" furmanism.. can anyone confirm? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It does. Though I'm still iffy on its inclusion in this article without some sort of disclaimer, as he purposefully includes it all the freakin' time (like even in the You Can Draw Transformers book) as some sort of calling card. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:: If he includes it on purpose, wouldn't that make it that much more a Furmanism?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think it would. [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 03:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: In fact, we should have the article end with that section, with the last one being the one from the You Can Draw Transformers book. [[User:Kaosu Reido|Kaosu Reido]] 20:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
::::: He uses it in that book too? HAH! This article should totally do what Kaosu just said it should do. [[User:70.55.211.238|70.55.211.238]] 06:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Since "It never ends!" now is included, I should point out that there's another one, by Shockwave at the end of Time Wars. Don't have the book handy now, so I can't make an exact quote. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Down to earth ==

I spotted the phrase ''down to earth''--used in a '''literal''' sense--in two issues of ''Transformers: Generation 2'' (#6, "The Gathering Darkness"; #10, "War Dawn").

'''-Jeff Steele'''
: Those are already noted further up the page. Thanks, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Not exactly "fight and die"==
There's Crankcase's "Better to die a warrior's death than endure this ''mockery'' of life!" from "The Rise and Fall of the Decepticon Empire"... same theme. Usable? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say so. Look at the section, there are a bunch of em that are similar to "fight and die" but not 100% the same. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== What Order Should They Be Listed In? ==

Given that we're dealing with a short list, I'm not sure the Furmanisms necessarily need to be in alphabetical order. (It's also not a list people are going to be looking things up in. ''"Hey, I wonder if 'In for a penny, in for a pound' is a Furmanism? I better look under 'I' . . . "'')
Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Alphabetical order is better than arbitrary. Though if I had to pick a different ordering system, I'd suggest the order in which they first appeared in fiction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::The order I was trying to put them in was not (quite) arbitrary. It was an attempt to tell a story as if two characters were talking in nothing but Furmanisms. (E.g., "It can be destroyed!" as a response to "What chance do we have?") This is, admittedly, quirky, esoteric, and serves no purpose but The Funny, but I'm not certain alphabetical order serves ''any'' purpose besides "not arbitrary". [[User:JW|JW]] 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::Or, we could list them in the order they appear in today's Shortpacked . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 11:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd much rather they be in an order that's accessible to others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, A) I was joking about Shortpacked. (By the way, keep up the good work.) And, B) a list of only ''ten'' items is accessible by default. It can be reviewed in seconds with a flick of the mouse. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
: I gotta say that I really liked having "IT NEVER ENDS" right next to "IT'S OVER - FINISHED!" [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 16:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Heck, if we change the header from "OVER -- FINISHED" to "IT IS OVER -- FINISHED", we can do that, and keep Walky happy. One of the sample quotes uses "it is over", and another two use "it's over", so this is quite justifiable. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Furman sound effects==
Should we do a Furman sound effects article to accompany this? I'd love to see the instances of 'FFN' :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the other day that we should include "GNNGH". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying. I had forgotten about this given that everybody else (who are vastly more well-versed in the comics than I) evidently couldn't be bothered answering. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Sadly, Furman stopped using SPOOMS! once we started asking him in person to use them more. We apologize. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: A sound effects section should prolly be on this article. A steller example is Grimlock's Ff. Tt. Hf. etc. in the first ''The War Within''. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Why did he stop? Did he realize you guys were lightly mocking his 'isms'? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, what happened? I thought you guys LOVED Furman sound effects! If Furmanisms are good enough for catalogue, then sound effects should damn well be catalogued, too! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:How would we categorize these? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::As in the type of article or within the article itself? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Within this article. I'm sure every story has some sort of sound effects. Are there particular ones Furman uses more than others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::SPOOM!
::::Unfortunately, this sort of article would require the services of somebody like Walky and his friends who, as I understand, are great fans of Furman's sound effects and speech patterns. My own knowledge is painfully limited. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Nemesis Pt 2 ==

as anyone checked Nemesis part 2 for Furmanisms? He did write it, after all. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno about Furmanisms, but the angry shouting-at-the-sky speech about Tigerhawk's death Primal has just outside their base is pretty damn Furmanesque. It's so awesome to see Furman material acted out. But no specific Furmanisms come to mind... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

==A STING in the tail!==
This one pops up when Pincer transforms in.... issue #63? And again in the Magnus Spotlight. Can we get a third, do I hear a third, third third third? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

"Oww! There's just one thing wrong with your little sage, Decepticon. You see, this story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Pincher, "Deadly Obsession" (''Transformers'' #64)

"And this little story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Scorponok, ''Spotlight: Ultra Magnus''

"'''Sting in the tail''': The Dinobot called Snarl can transform into an armored stegosaurus. In battle, he swings his tail at the enemy."

-A brief description of Snarl in ''Transformers: The Ultimate Sticker Book'' (I'm sure [[Simon Furman|you know who]] had something to do with it!)

'''Jeff Steele'''

==He hesitates - and is LOST!==
"He hesitates - and is lost!" -- narrative box, UK #116
"It hesitated and lost EVERYTHING!" -- Dreadwind, UK #218

There's GOT to be one more of these.

== Time we weren't here ==

Hot Rod in Devastation #3, page 8.

This sounds vaguely familiar. Did it get used in Furman stories before? If yes, would it qualify for a Furmanism, or is it too generic?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:Having finally had the chance to read this issue I have to agree that line sounds very familiar, but I can't recall where from... And Nevermore, I think the way Furman says it is unique to him, I've never heard that type of phrase before he came about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Having not yet read Devastation #3, I can say that it's VERY familiar to me as a Furmanism, and I'm 99% sure we could find three examples somewhere. "Time I wasn't here," perhaps. Thing is, he uses so much English colloquialism that I'm rarely ever sure if his phrases are HIS or just from his dialect. "On balance, I prefer...." "My advice to one and all..." I'm not sure where to draw the line, ultimately. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Who are we to play god?==
- "This is hopeless! How am I to decide who deserves life the most? Who am I to play god?" -- Optimus Prime, UK #250 {{storylink|The Greatest Gift of All!}}
 - Prime to Omega Supreme {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}
 - Doubleheader to Longtooth {{Storylink|Deadly Obsession}}
 - "Pray tell, Optimus Primal... how it feels to play GOD?" - Depth Charge {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe)|Homecoming}}
:-- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::That one sounds like more of a genuine turn of phrase to me. If we can find many more than these three, I can be convinced it's an actual Furmanism, rather than just something people say. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It is a phrase people use- but I'm pretty sure Furman hits it heavily. It might be worth referencing ''if'' you can find some stock intro format he uses before it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Things Fall Apart==
I noticed this while flipping through the DK Ultimate Guide the other day, and it seemed vaugely familiar. Wasn't it used in some semi-recent IDW comic? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 13:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_%28poem%29 "The Second Coming" by Yeats] gets quoted in a lot of places. Since it's not original to Furman, I don't think we can count it as a Furmanism. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:: I am clearly a literary idiot. Thanks! ...then again, if "Reap The Whirlwind" counts, and that's not something Furman came up with himself, should we discount "Things Fall Apart" if more examples can be found? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 01:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Good question . . . let's first see if he does use "things fall apart" the requisite three times . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::This is used in Regeneration One 80.5 and several other places. I think it should count. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 01:07, 12 May 2012 (EDT)

==How many times?==
*"Again he has cheated death. A chance in a million has turned defeat into victory. How many more times, he wonders..." --Narration, [[...The Harder They Die!]]
*"Curse you, Optimus Prime! How many times? How '''many?!'''" --Megatron, [[Under Fire!]]
*"How many, eh? HOw many have to '''die''' for you to get your jollies? '''HOW MANY?'''" --Ratchet, [[A Savage Circle]]
*"How many times did we both die... only to live again? A vicious cycle from which there seemed no escape." --Optimus Prime, [[New Dawn#"Tales of Earth Part Four"|Tales of Earth, Part Four]]
*"''Curse you'', Rodimus Prime -- ''how many times must I destroy you?''" -- Galvatron, [[Rhythms of Darkness!]]
For your consideration --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Heh. I like the... insistence of the third one, put into context with the rest. But I'd still actually vote against this. It's just a little too generic - to my sensibilities, anyway. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I was wondering, which is why I didn't throw it in automatically. Let's see what other people think, and maybe someone can dig up more of these to solidify it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::: If we make it more specific and go with the "How many times? HOW MANY?" part, then I think we've got something. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 23:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==DEAD wrong!==
* "Urr...if you think we're beaten, Autobot -- you're ''dead'' wrong!" -- Bludgeon {{storylink|The Lesser Evil}}
: Isn't 'dead wrong' a pretty common phrase?--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, but not as a pun roughly translating to "you are wrong, and you are also dead." I haven't read the story in question, but it sounds like that's what he's saying. [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

==What do you think you're playing at?==
*"Uhn! Blast it, Backstreet! What're you playing at?" -- Dogfight, "[[Race with the Devil]]"
* "Whaddaya think you're playing at, Inferno?" -- Broadside, "[[Survivors!]]"
* "''What'' do you think" "you're playing at?" -- Doubleheader, "[[Whose Lifeforce Is It Anyway?]]"
* "''Hey!'' What are you playing at, ''Nightbeat''?" -- Kup, "[[The Pri¢e of Life!]]"
: Totally vouching for this one, it's one of my favorite Furmanisms. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==No! You're dead!==
* "No! Y-you were dead... I killed you!" -- Thunderwing, "[[The Big Shutdown!]]"
* "No! It - it ''can't'' be you... you're dead!" -- Ratchet, "[[Back from the Dead]]"
* "No! I saw you die, felt your ''aura'' leave its mortal remains! You were ''no more!''" -- Bludgeon, "[[End of the Road!]]"
* "YOU did this... but you're DEAD!" -- Dreadwind, "[[Race with the Devil]]" (cover)
* "No! It can't be you... you're dead!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]" (cover)
* "Nooo! You're - you're dead... ''dead!'' I saw you die!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]"

==Shattered Expectations==
Should there be some mention here about the reverse Furmanisms in the Shattered Expectations April Fools comic pages? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Power Beyond Measure==
* "Flee! Power beyond measure, this one has! His light--hurts!" --Demon, re: ActionMaster Grimlock
* "I offer you dark secrets, whispers from the timelost past; power--BEYOND MEASURE!" --The Fallen

Okay, the last one isn't an exact quote, but the Furmanism was definitely carried over. And I'm naggingly sure I've heard it much more often than that....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== INTO ITS MAW ==

I know this has been used in several instances. Laserbeak thrown into Slag's maw in [[Dinobot Hunt!]], Prime plunging the Matrix into Unicron's maw, that creature with the matrix energy in it's maw. Any others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:If we end up using it, it should be "ITS MAW", not "IT'S MAW". Possessive, not contraction. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed. Made a typo. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Putting our own house in order ==

I believe this one has been said enough times to qualify as one.
* Care to give us some examples, champ? [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:54, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

== Well and truly... ==

I think this qualifies. Furman's been hitting it really hard recently. I think we should starting collecting them!--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:26, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Movie adaptation ==

Got the ROTF Movie adaptation trade from Target the other day. There are no less than three Furmanisms in it, four if we decide to add "well and truly".

However, do you think we should wait to see if any of these lines are in the actual movie, and thus probably not originally not written by Furman? I doubt it, but I guess we should wait to see to be safe.

*"Done"? I fear, Major Lennox...that it NEVER ends!"- Optimus Prime

*"Hm. Don't recognize the make and model, but I know the form. Time I wasn't he- AAAARGHHH!"- Jetfire ALMOST gets it out

*"This world and all on it...shall die SCREAMING."- The Fallen

--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== Not limited to just Furman? ==
In an issue of Anderson: Psi Judge (Posession, to be specific) from the Judge Dredd series, one of the characters used one of the popular Furmanisms. I checked, and the credits were by Alan Grant under the name R Clark. I'm not sure if this is worth a mention or not, and I'm not a contributor, so I'll just leave you guys with a link http://i25.tinypic.com/vql4is.png
:Thanks for pointing that out. It does bring up something I've wondered about in the past: Where's the line between "Furmanism" and "British colloquialism"? Or should we care at all? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::I'd say "well and truly" is a borderline case. It's just a popular idiom over here - 14,500,000 results from Google would seem to back this up - rather than a phrase Furman invented to make robots sound cool. Does that matter? Maybe, because I'm thinking that beyond the IDWverse, there's probably a million examples to be found in Marvel UK, if not Furman's US run. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 04:13, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE ==
* "DECEPTICONS- Let's hear the call... NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE!" --Headstrong. [[Stormbringer issue 4]]
* "No Mercy!" "No Limits!" "No one... GETS OUT ALIVE!" --various Predacons. [[The Ascending issue 4|''Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #4]]
* "That Said, However it goes... NO ONE gets out alive." -- Scorponok. [[Maximum Dinobots issue 3]]

No clue if this appears elsewhere, but it sounds like it should be a furmanism.--[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 15:37, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

yeah, fairly certain i've heard this elsewhere too.--[[Special:Contributions/68.9.60.113|68.9.60.113]] 16:23, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

== -- Just ran out! ==

* "Predacons. Whatever period of grace we might've had -- just ran out!" --Bonecrusher. [[The Gathering issue 4]]

Ran across this, and I know I've heard something like it before. Going to start looking. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 07:14, 24 December 2009 (EST)

::Ooh, um, Gen 2 #9, if recall correctly too. On the very last page. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 11:21, 24 December 2009 (EST)
==Fall Damn you, FALL!==
Seen said by Megatron in Armada Worlds Collide arc by Dreamwave in issue #16 and in One of the Beast Wars comics by IDW (I forget where I saw it now.) I also feel I've heard it somewhere else before..but I figured sense both were clearly by Furman, sounds like a Furmanism to me.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
::Eh, probably too generic. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 07:45, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:::It's a reference to ''something'', isn't it? (*feels stupid for not being able to recall off the top of her head*) Mowry uses it in TotF #6, too, and it sounds familiar somehow. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:12, 9 January 2010 (EST)

[[Image:Battleofautobotcity.jpg|left|180px|thumb]]Yeah....

"Out of the way, Hot Rod!" 
"Fall! FALL!" 
"I would've waited an eternity for this. It's over Prime." 
"NEVER!"

Little familiar... --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 12:07, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, I remembered ''that'' bit, but I meant this specific variation I could swear got used outside of the comics, too. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:26, 9 January 2010 (EST)

::The Fall, Damn U Fall, was used by Magmatron to Grimlock in [[Transformers: Beast Wars: The Gathering|The Gathering]] issue 3 or 4. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:34, 9 January 2010 (EST)

== End of the Road! ==

* [[End of the Road! (UK)]]
* [[End of the Road! (US)]]
* Cover of [[A Rage in Heaven!]]
* Also, as noted on the UK page, he also used it for the last issue of ''Dragon's Claws''.

Seems like Furman rather liked using that phrase whenever he had a finale, and considering half the characters turn into road vehicles, it's rather appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 16:53, 25 September 2010 (EDT)
* He also used it in Devastation #3. It's apparently common enough that the LSotW paperback included a few references to it, in its rapid-fire [[Fisitronism]]s. --75.25.141.40 6:05, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

== THE TRUE MEANING OF POWER ==

* "It is time to '''educate''' you '''in ''the true meaning of power!'''''

Galvatron, [[Out of Time!]] (''Transformers'' #73)

*"I will show Starscream, or whoever has control of the Warworld, ''the true '''meaning''' of power.''

Jhiaxus, [[Dark Shadows!]] (''Transformers: Generation 2'' #11)

[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 05:18, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

== Why? ==

Maybe its just that I didn't read much of the Marvel comic, but I don't really see the need for this page. Most of these are fairly standard pulp fiction cliches. "Reap the whirlwind" is even a Biblical quote! The only one that seems original to me is the "vast predatory bird". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:Fans have had fun at the expense of these for years. Furman's acknowledged it in good fun. Seems important/notable enough for me. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 21:07, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

== Irrevocably! ==

I seem to recall the word 'irrevocably' being used a lot in Furman stories.{{unsigned}}
: I think we should probably require more than one word in our Furmanisms. There's a fuzzy line somewhere between "amusing" and "petty." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:40, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

== Got to-- SPOOM! ==

Where does "Got to-- SPOOM!" come from? It's referenced all over the wiki, but the links all point to the Furmanism page, and the only reference on the Furmanism page goes to Crossblades (G1), which just links back to Furmanism. Where did it originally come from? [[Special:Contributions/92.15.171.251|92.15.171.251]] 08:39, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
: It's a portmandeau of a "TIME I MADE A STAND" variant and a sound effect he used twice, where the sum of their parts recreates how Furman liked to kill folks in the middle of reacting to incoming bad guys. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:11, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

::Ah, thanks.[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 17:07, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

== other writers? SG versions? enough already? ==

Does the word [[Furmanism]] only refer to instances actually written by [[Simon Furman]], with other writers' usages merely paying [[homage]]? Case in point: [[Dungeons_%26_Dinobots|Dungeons & Dinobots]] is written by [[Trent Troop]] and [[Greg Sepelak]], and has [[Carnivac (SG)]] saying "Come, villain! The Mayhem Suppression Squad has shown you its valor, ''[[Furmanism#CAN_I_DO_LESS.3F|can you not do more]]''?"

Speaking of [[Shattered Glass]], [[Furmanism#Notes]] notes that
*In the "[[Shattered Expectations (SG)|Shattered Expectations]]" April Fools comic, [[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]] uses a reverse Furmanism: "Once we have this secret technology the Decepticon insurgency will be FINISHED... OVER!" He later uses it (for real) in "[[Eye in the Sky]]". In later parts of the ''[[Shattered Glass]]'' universe, the Furmanisms begin getting not only flipped but fully mirrored.
Does that statement suffice for all SG Furmanismatics?

Does the [[Furmanism]] article have enough examples to illustrate the existence of the phenomenon, so not ''every'' [[Talk:Furmanism#ROTF_Movie_adaptation|example]] NEEDS to be listed?

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 02:12, 4 February 2014 (EST)

== AS FAST AS I DARE ==

'''"I'm already going ''as fast as I dare'' in these conditions!"'''

[[Doubleheader]], [[Deadly Obsession]]

'''"I'm pushing it ''as fast as I dare'' right now!'''

[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], [[The Last Autobot?]]

'''"We're going ''as fast we dare''. We've had too many setbacks to rush things right now."'''

[[Abraham Dante]], ''[[Escalation]] #5''

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 05:34, 4 February 2014 (EST)

::Eh, seems like too common an expression, not specific enough to Furman. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 12:00, 4 February 2014 (EST)

== Sheeagh ==

What the heck does that mean? {{unsigned|Skywarp Prime}}
:It's just a death scream. Also, sign your posts. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:59, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
Sorry about that.[[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

== How about...? ==

== DUMB ANIMALS ==
"Haw! It's come to something when '''Decepticon''' leaders start worrying about '''''dumb animals!'''''"

'''Ruckus, [[Deadly Obsession]]'''

"'''Hah!''' Look at them '''cringe''' and '''cower!''' Pathetic puddles of '''flesh!''' Humans--what a wholly '''forgettable''' form of life! Ironic then, that the key me winning the leadership of the Decepticons may well depend on one of these ''dumb animals!''"

'''Starscream, [[The Human Factor!]]'''

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 16:18, 28 January 2020 (EST)

User talk:Tigerpaw28/List of Transformers TV Stations

2018-10-18T09:12:54Z

Jeff39042: /* WDBD and 'Transformers': 1984-2005 */

Might want to fix the [[Wikipedia:KTLA|KTLA]] and [[Wikipedia:KCAL-TV|KCAL]] links for Los Angeles. :) --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 18:56, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
:Actually it wasn't the links that were wrong for the KTLA links, it was the display text. But thanks for pointing that out as it resulted in my noticing the links for Lincoln were incorrect. And I ''suppose'' I could save people having to click through a disambig page for KCAL. :)--[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 03:05, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
Hi, sorry for taking so very long to get back to you. Unfortunately most of the newspaper archives I have access to cut out at 1977, which means they don't cover any of the relevant periods. The only info I've been able to glean is that the original Transformers cartoon was broadcast on WPIX and WHEC-TV to Syracuse (via the Syracuse Herald-Journal) in late 1984. I've also got a reference in a Madison, WI newspaper that I'm unable to interpret at the moment. Everything else is a bit of a washout, I'm afraid. --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 06:52, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:Not a problem at all. I'm glad you were able to come up with something. Interestingly, WPIX is out of NYC and WHEC from Rochester. I'd say that confirms Rochester. It also seems to indicate that the Syracuse market didn't have an affiliate for the show. Makes some sense as that market didn't have any independent stations until 1986. Could I possibly be of assistance in deciphering the Madison reference? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:35, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::All I've got so far is a channel number (18), but I can't work out what this corresponds to, since the legend on the TV guide doesn't list a channel 18. I'm at a bit of a disadvantage since I'm not from the US and find the presentation confusing, but I'll persevere. I may have found another network broadcasting to Syracuse in 1986 - still not a local one, which is interesting. What I propose to do, rather than continue to use the document search function which is a bit unreliable, is to track down TV listings at 3-month intervals for the networks I've got newspaper coverage for, and then try to narrow things down from there. It may take a while, and it's not going to plug very many gaps, but it'll be thorough and reliable for the few instances it does throw up. I'll get back to you in a couple of weeks. --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 13:41, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
:::There's a WVTV channel 18 out of Milwaukee, WI that was an independent then. It was carried on many cable services in Wisconsin. It's possible that Madison didn't have a broadcast channel carrying it but that residents there could see the show on cable from Milwaukee. I'm sure this is confusing for non-Americans, but it really is quite common. I was able to deduce this possibility without having lived there just from Wikipedia articles and an understanding of US broadcasting, it will at least give you an idea of where to check. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:56, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
::::That's certainly a possibility. It may also explain the situation with Syracuse. I know a few fans in Wisconsin, and I believe they live in the Madison area so I'll check with them to see if they know anything about it. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:52, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Hmm, well my contact says that he thinks G1 would most likely have run on WMSN 47 which would have been channel 8 on cable. Also in regards to Madison getting Milwaukee stations on cable: "And as for receiving Milwaukee stations via cable? I've never known that to be the case in the Madison area markets, but I didn't really watch much cable in this town until 1999. I suppose it's not out of the question, but it would surprise me a little." That said, I think WVTV's still our best lead on the meaning of the listing. From the Wikipedia entry it sounds like it was a similar situation to WGN at the time. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 20:58, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

==Atlanta==
I am almost 99% certain that Generation 1 ran on WGNX, which is now WGCL. I'd have to dig out tapes from my parents' attic to confirm, though. There were three stations running syndicated programming in Atlanta in the 80s, WGNX, WATL, and WUPA. UPA had the really third string stuff - Dinosaucers, Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs, Denver the Last Dinosaur, maybe Robotech a couple years after it was hot. WGNX ran, IIRC, Joe, TF, He-Man in afternoons, with a fourth slot that rotated in and out with whatever the flavor of the season was - I clearly remember Rambo and Bravestarr. WATL, I think, really hit it big when they got TMNT, but before that mostly ran shows that skewed towards younger kids (Tom & Jerry, Woody Woodpecker, that kind of thing). I'd have to double-check with other Atlanta kids, though. I CAN confirm, however, that Beast Wars definitely ran on WUPA, while Beast Machines and RiD ran on WATL (even though they weren't the Fox affiliate at that point, they still ran the Fox Kids programming block). [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:04, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, two more Atlanta-area fans (Recharge and Robo_rob) confirm that TF ran on WGNX. I'll see if I can't dig up anything for Macon, GA while I'm at it. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:59, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::Awesome, the info has been added. Thanks Hoop. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:35, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::G1 ran on WMGC in Macon, GA. No idea about G2 or BW. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:44, 16 July 2010 (EDT)
::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew1r-_SQseY Just found this clip which confirms G1 ran on WAGT at some point.] --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 19:43, 8 December 2013 (EST)
:::::Augusta, GA. It's possible some folks on the far eastern borders of Atlanta metro watched it on WAGT and remember it as such, though. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 11:03, 9 December 2013 (EST)
::::::I must've read Wikipedia wrong when I looked up the station. Could've sworn I read Atlanta, but it says Augusta. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 14:18, 9 December 2013 (EST)

==Charlotte==
Virtually certain that the G1 toon ran on WCCB, as there were no other independent stations in Charlotte at the time and the networks ran soap operas in the afternoons when I distinctly remember watching it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:47, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:Another local fan agrees with my recollections, but I'm not sure where to find the documentation. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:02, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::Would that fan happen to be Zadox Rok? I found a [http://www.thetf.net/forum_posts-TID-8447-PN-46.htm post] at thetf.net where he cites WCCB as the Charlotte affiliate. That we have at least two people, maybe three citing it, and the fact it was the only independent at the time are enough evidence for me to add it. As for documentation, either recorded promos for or during an airing would suffice as would a printed TV listing indicating the station call letter or city it was published in. While it would be nice to have, the difficulty involved in obtaining these things make it unrealistic to require them. Thanks for the help! --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:35, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Nope, not Zadok, so three witnesses. I'm going to try looking at some microfilms of newspapers this weekend for citation of ads. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:43, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I think you messed up on adding Charlotte, WCCB was for G1 toon; I have no idea who ran G2 toon. I remember seeing it (I wish I didn't), but am not sure if it was still on WCCB or if WJZY had picked it up then. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:15, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Indeed I did. Thanks for catching that. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:56, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

== Jackson, Mississippi ==

WDBD '''did indeed''' air ''Transformers,'' ''Transformers: The Movie'' (in April, 1988), ''Transformers: Generation 2'', ''Beast Wars'', ''Beast Machines'', ''Transformers: Robots In Disguise'' and ''Transformers: Cybertron''. After all...I '''live''' in the Jackson, Mississippi area ('''and''' I made that Seibertron.com someone had mentioned)!

Throughout the '80s and '90s, I lived in Jackson. I moved to Brandon, Mississippi (one of Jackson's suburbs) in 2008.

'''Jeff Steele
(Jeff39042)'''

==Waco / Temple / Killeen, Texas ==

I can confirm that at least one season of G1 aired in this market on KCEN-TV, the local NBC affiliate [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCEN KCEN].

I work for the newspaper out of Copperas Cove, Texas ([http://www.coveleaderpress.com/ Cove Leader Press]), and one day I had a chance to skim through some of the archives. I found one batch of papers from the mid-1980s that still had their television listings section intact, and made note of who had what shows.

If you'd like, I can see if I can get permission from the editor to look through the archives again so as to check. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 11:29, 21 January 2014 (EST)

:I had a chance to check the listings today. The 6 October 1985 paper and 19 October 1986 papers have KCEN-TV airing it weekday afternoons (3 PM 1085;, 3:30 PM 1986). There is no mention of them airing the series in 1984, and the TV listings booklet was discontinued before the start of the 1987 season. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 17:39, 21 January 2014 (EST)

::I double-checked the archives again tonight and made a big discovery. Both the 5 May 198'''5''' and 25 August 198'''5''' television guidebooks have KCEN airing Transformers at 9:30 AM on Saturday mornings as opposed to Sunday mornings like everyone else. As I mentioned earlier, KCEN had G. I. Joe airing at 9:30 AM Saturday morning during the fall of 1984. Thing is, there would have been a mere ten episodes of the series at that point, and so I wondered how they would have been able to make those ten episodes last a full season. I couldn't find the January - April 1985 archive book, so I went with the next best thing. At this point, I have two guesses for what happened. Either way, we do, now, know that KCEN had the series for the 1984 season as well. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 12:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)

Final tally, as of 28 February 2014 -

*I can confirm that KCEN broadcast the 1984, 1985, and 1986 seasons of the series, with the 1984 season being delayed until January of 1985 for reasons that are not yet clear. I cannot confirm whether or not they broadcast the 1987 or 1988 seasons as the television book was discontinued before the start of the 1987 television season.

*KBVO, now known as KEYE, also broadcast the 1985 and 1986 seasons; I cannot confirm the 1984 season (as they were not in the listings at the time) or the 1987 or 1988 seasons (for the same reason). Although KBVO is recorded as broadcasting out of the Austin, Texas market, their signal strength reached the southern part of the Waco / Temple / Killeen market during this time period, and so the network can be added to '''both''' the Austin market ''and'' the Waco / Temple / Killeen market, but with a caveat.

*I can confirm from memory that KWKT broadcast Beast Machines and Robots In Disguise; the two shows aired as part of the regular Fox programming block.

[[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 19:34, 28 February 2014 (EST)

==Network One==
Both KDQT (Chico-Redding, California) and WAXC (Montgomery, Alabama) were part of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_One now-defunct "Network One"] independent television network; according to the Wikipedia article, it ran from the "mid-1990s" to 1998. They list KDQT as being "defunct" (meaning that it's likely off the air now), but don't have anything at all for WAXC.

Might be worth it to check the list of Network One affiliates against the list of stations that ran Beast Wars to see if there's any other overlap. If there is, then that might potentially lead us towards more networks that ran Beast Wars.

edit - I think I found WAXC's Facebook page: [https://www.facebook.com/pages/WAXC-TV/151784844863069 link] [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 14:00, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

:K56EX was a now-defunct station out of Honolulu that was part of the Network One chain. Given that two Network One affiliates had Beast Wars, might we have three? [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 14:10, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

== The CW's Vortexx broadcast of Transformers: Prime season 1 ==

Might the broadcasting of Transformers: Prime season 1 on the CW's Vortexx block--which ran from December 8, 2012 to June 1, 2013--be added to this chart? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:26, 26 February 2015 (EST)
: Yeah, that would make sense. That should just be a list of CW affiliates I would think. I'll try to look into it this weekend. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 22:55, 26 February 2015 (EST)
:: This could potentially be a bit complicated. For the Waco / Temple / Killeen, Texas, metropolitan area, CBS station KWTX broadcasts The CW on a digital side band frequency. Because of this, both stations can rightly be listed as KWTX, but doing so might confuse people. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 23:31, 22 December 2015 (EST)

==Time And Date.Com==

[http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1999&country=1 Time And Date.com] is a website that contains calendars for past years. For those who are looking to use newspaper archives to research more information, this can help you determine what day's newspaper you need to access providing that you know what day each week the newspaper's television listings were published. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 23:31, 22 December 2015 (EST)

== WDBD: Jackson, Mississippi's first 'Transformers' affiliate (1984-2005) ==

In December 1984, WDBD (then an independent TV station) had aired ''Transformers'' (syndicated) for the first time.

July 1987: WDBD became a Fox affiliate.

October 2001: WDBD defected to The WB.

July 2006: WDBD rejoined Fox.

In December, 2005, WDBD (then a WB affiliate) had aired a ''Transformers'' cartoon (via The WB)--for the '''last''' time.

Since then, the station has been ''Transformers''-less.

[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 02:26, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== WRBJ-TV: Jackson, Mississippi's second 'Transformers' affiliate (2012-2013) ==

From 2012 to 2013, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRBJ-TV WRBJ-TV] had ''Transformers: Prime'' via Vortexx.

Trinity Broadcasting Network had acquired WRBJ-TV in October 2012 and officially took over the station on May 24, 2013.

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 05:10, 18 October 2018 (EDT)

User talk:Tigerpaw28/List of Transformers TV Stations

2018-10-18T09:10:24Z

Jeff39042: /* WRBJ-TV: Jackson, Mississippi's second 'Transformers' affiliate (2012-2013) */ new section

Might want to fix the [[Wikipedia:KTLA|KTLA]] and [[Wikipedia:KCAL-TV|KCAL]] links for Los Angeles. :) --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 18:56, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
:Actually it wasn't the links that were wrong for the KTLA links, it was the display text. But thanks for pointing that out as it resulted in my noticing the links for Lincoln were incorrect. And I ''suppose'' I could save people having to click through a disambig page for KCAL. :)--[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 03:05, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
Hi, sorry for taking so very long to get back to you. Unfortunately most of the newspaper archives I have access to cut out at 1977, which means they don't cover any of the relevant periods. The only info I've been able to glean is that the original Transformers cartoon was broadcast on WPIX and WHEC-TV to Syracuse (via the Syracuse Herald-Journal) in late 1984. I've also got a reference in a Madison, WI newspaper that I'm unable to interpret at the moment. Everything else is a bit of a washout, I'm afraid. --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 06:52, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:Not a problem at all. I'm glad you were able to come up with something. Interestingly, WPIX is out of NYC and WHEC from Rochester. I'd say that confirms Rochester. It also seems to indicate that the Syracuse market didn't have an affiliate for the show. Makes some sense as that market didn't have any independent stations until 1986. Could I possibly be of assistance in deciphering the Madison reference? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:35, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::All I've got so far is a channel number (18), but I can't work out what this corresponds to, since the legend on the TV guide doesn't list a channel 18. I'm at a bit of a disadvantage since I'm not from the US and find the presentation confusing, but I'll persevere. I may have found another network broadcasting to Syracuse in 1986 - still not a local one, which is interesting. What I propose to do, rather than continue to use the document search function which is a bit unreliable, is to track down TV listings at 3-month intervals for the networks I've got newspaper coverage for, and then try to narrow things down from there. It may take a while, and it's not going to plug very many gaps, but it'll be thorough and reliable for the few instances it does throw up. I'll get back to you in a couple of weeks. --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 13:41, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
:::There's a WVTV channel 18 out of Milwaukee, WI that was an independent then. It was carried on many cable services in Wisconsin. It's possible that Madison didn't have a broadcast channel carrying it but that residents there could see the show on cable from Milwaukee. I'm sure this is confusing for non-Americans, but it really is quite common. I was able to deduce this possibility without having lived there just from Wikipedia articles and an understanding of US broadcasting, it will at least give you an idea of where to check. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:56, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
::::That's certainly a possibility. It may also explain the situation with Syracuse. I know a few fans in Wisconsin, and I believe they live in the Madison area so I'll check with them to see if they know anything about it. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:52, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Hmm, well my contact says that he thinks G1 would most likely have run on WMSN 47 which would have been channel 8 on cable. Also in regards to Madison getting Milwaukee stations on cable: "And as for receiving Milwaukee stations via cable? I've never known that to be the case in the Madison area markets, but I didn't really watch much cable in this town until 1999. I suppose it's not out of the question, but it would surprise me a little." That said, I think WVTV's still our best lead on the meaning of the listing. From the Wikipedia entry it sounds like it was a similar situation to WGN at the time. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 20:58, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

==Atlanta==
I am almost 99% certain that Generation 1 ran on WGNX, which is now WGCL. I'd have to dig out tapes from my parents' attic to confirm, though. There were three stations running syndicated programming in Atlanta in the 80s, WGNX, WATL, and WUPA. UPA had the really third string stuff - Dinosaucers, Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs, Denver the Last Dinosaur, maybe Robotech a couple years after it was hot. WGNX ran, IIRC, Joe, TF, He-Man in afternoons, with a fourth slot that rotated in and out with whatever the flavor of the season was - I clearly remember Rambo and Bravestarr. WATL, I think, really hit it big when they got TMNT, but before that mostly ran shows that skewed towards younger kids (Tom & Jerry, Woody Woodpecker, that kind of thing). I'd have to double-check with other Atlanta kids, though. I CAN confirm, however, that Beast Wars definitely ran on WUPA, while Beast Machines and RiD ran on WATL (even though they weren't the Fox affiliate at that point, they still ran the Fox Kids programming block). [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:04, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, two more Atlanta-area fans (Recharge and Robo_rob) confirm that TF ran on WGNX. I'll see if I can't dig up anything for Macon, GA while I'm at it. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:59, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::Awesome, the info has been added. Thanks Hoop. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:35, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::G1 ran on WMGC in Macon, GA. No idea about G2 or BW. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:44, 16 July 2010 (EDT)
::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew1r-_SQseY Just found this clip which confirms G1 ran on WAGT at some point.] --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 19:43, 8 December 2013 (EST)
:::::Augusta, GA. It's possible some folks on the far eastern borders of Atlanta metro watched it on WAGT and remember it as such, though. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 11:03, 9 December 2013 (EST)
::::::I must've read Wikipedia wrong when I looked up the station. Could've sworn I read Atlanta, but it says Augusta. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 14:18, 9 December 2013 (EST)

==Charlotte==
Virtually certain that the G1 toon ran on WCCB, as there were no other independent stations in Charlotte at the time and the networks ran soap operas in the afternoons when I distinctly remember watching it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:47, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:Another local fan agrees with my recollections, but I'm not sure where to find the documentation. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:02, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::Would that fan happen to be Zadox Rok? I found a [http://www.thetf.net/forum_posts-TID-8447-PN-46.htm post] at thetf.net where he cites WCCB as the Charlotte affiliate. That we have at least two people, maybe three citing it, and the fact it was the only independent at the time are enough evidence for me to add it. As for documentation, either recorded promos for or during an airing would suffice as would a printed TV listing indicating the station call letter or city it was published in. While it would be nice to have, the difficulty involved in obtaining these things make it unrealistic to require them. Thanks for the help! --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:35, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Nope, not Zadok, so three witnesses. I'm going to try looking at some microfilms of newspapers this weekend for citation of ads. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:43, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I think you messed up on adding Charlotte, WCCB was for G1 toon; I have no idea who ran G2 toon. I remember seeing it (I wish I didn't), but am not sure if it was still on WCCB or if WJZY had picked it up then. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:15, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Indeed I did. Thanks for catching that. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:56, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

== Jackson, Mississippi ==

WDBD '''did indeed''' air ''Transformers,'' ''Transformers: The Movie'' (in April, 1988), ''Transformers: Generation 2'', ''Beast Wars'', ''Beast Machines'', ''Transformers: Robots In Disguise'' and ''Transformers: Cybertron''. After all...I '''live''' in the Jackson, Mississippi area ('''and''' I made that Seibertron.com someone had mentioned)!

Throughout the '80s and '90s, I lived in Jackson. I moved to Brandon, Mississippi (one of Jackson's suburbs) in 2008.

'''Jeff Steele
(Jeff39042)'''

==Waco / Temple / Killeen, Texas ==

I can confirm that at least one season of G1 aired in this market on KCEN-TV, the local NBC affiliate [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCEN KCEN].

I work for the newspaper out of Copperas Cove, Texas ([http://www.coveleaderpress.com/ Cove Leader Press]), and one day I had a chance to skim through some of the archives. I found one batch of papers from the mid-1980s that still had their television listings section intact, and made note of who had what shows.

If you'd like, I can see if I can get permission from the editor to look through the archives again so as to check. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 11:29, 21 January 2014 (EST)

:I had a chance to check the listings today. The 6 October 1985 paper and 19 October 1986 papers have KCEN-TV airing it weekday afternoons (3 PM 1085;, 3:30 PM 1986). There is no mention of them airing the series in 1984, and the TV listings booklet was discontinued before the start of the 1987 season. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 17:39, 21 January 2014 (EST)

::I double-checked the archives again tonight and made a big discovery. Both the 5 May 198'''5''' and 25 August 198'''5''' television guidebooks have KCEN airing Transformers at 9:30 AM on Saturday mornings as opposed to Sunday mornings like everyone else. As I mentioned earlier, KCEN had G. I. Joe airing at 9:30 AM Saturday morning during the fall of 1984. Thing is, there would have been a mere ten episodes of the series at that point, and so I wondered how they would have been able to make those ten episodes last a full season. I couldn't find the January - April 1985 archive book, so I went with the next best thing. At this point, I have two guesses for what happened. Either way, we do, now, know that KCEN had the series for the 1984 season as well. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 12:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)

Final tally, as of 28 February 2014 -

*I can confirm that KCEN broadcast the 1984, 1985, and 1986 seasons of the series, with the 1984 season being delayed until January of 1985 for reasons that are not yet clear. I cannot confirm whether or not they broadcast the 1987 or 1988 seasons as the television book was discontinued before the start of the 1987 television season.

*KBVO, now known as KEYE, also broadcast the 1985 and 1986 seasons; I cannot confirm the 1984 season (as they were not in the listings at the time) or the 1987 or 1988 seasons (for the same reason). Although KBVO is recorded as broadcasting out of the Austin, Texas market, their signal strength reached the southern part of the Waco / Temple / Killeen market during this time period, and so the network can be added to '''both''' the Austin market ''and'' the Waco / Temple / Killeen market, but with a caveat.

*I can confirm from memory that KWKT broadcast Beast Machines and Robots In Disguise; the two shows aired as part of the regular Fox programming block.

[[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 19:34, 28 February 2014 (EST)

==Network One==
Both KDQT (Chico-Redding, California) and WAXC (Montgomery, Alabama) were part of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_One now-defunct "Network One"] independent television network; according to the Wikipedia article, it ran from the "mid-1990s" to 1998. They list KDQT as being "defunct" (meaning that it's likely off the air now), but don't have anything at all for WAXC.

Might be worth it to check the list of Network One affiliates against the list of stations that ran Beast Wars to see if there's any other overlap. If there is, then that might potentially lead us towards more networks that ran Beast Wars.

edit - I think I found WAXC's Facebook page: [https://www.facebook.com/pages/WAXC-TV/151784844863069 link] [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 14:00, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

:K56EX was a now-defunct station out of Honolulu that was part of the Network One chain. Given that two Network One affiliates had Beast Wars, might we have three? [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 14:10, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

== The CW's Vortexx broadcast of Transformers: Prime season 1 ==

Might the broadcasting of Transformers: Prime season 1 on the CW's Vortexx block--which ran from December 8, 2012 to June 1, 2013--be added to this chart? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:26, 26 February 2015 (EST)
: Yeah, that would make sense. That should just be a list of CW affiliates I would think. I'll try to look into it this weekend. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 22:55, 26 February 2015 (EST)
:: This could potentially be a bit complicated. For the Waco / Temple / Killeen, Texas, metropolitan area, CBS station KWTX broadcasts The CW on a digital side band frequency. Because of this, both stations can rightly be listed as KWTX, but doing so might confuse people. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 23:31, 22 December 2015 (EST)

==Time And Date.Com==

[http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1999&country=1 Time And Date.com] is a website that contains calendars for past years. For those who are looking to use newspaper archives to research more information, this can help you determine what day's newspaper you need to access providing that you know what day each week the newspaper's television listings were published. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 23:31, 22 December 2015 (EST)

== WDBD and 'Transformers': 1984-2005 ==

In December, 1984, WDBD (then an independent TV station) had aired ''Transformers'' (syndicated) for the first time.

February, 1988: WDBD became a Fox affiliate.

October, 2001: WDBD defected to The WB.

July, 2006: WDBD rejoined Fox.

In December, 2005, WDBD (then a WB affiliate) had aired a ''Transformers'' cartoon (via The WB)--for the '''last''' time.

Since then, the station has been ''Transformers''-less.

[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 02:26, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== WRBJ-TV: Jackson, Mississippi's second 'Transformers' affiliate (2012-2013) ==

From 2012 to 2013, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRBJ-TV WRBJ-TV] had ''Transformers: Prime'' via Vortexx.

Trinity Broadcasting Network had acquired WRBJ-TV in October 2012 and officially took over the station on May 24, 2013.

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 05:10, 18 October 2018 (EDT)

User talk:Tigerpaw28/List of Transformers TV Stations

2017-06-26T06:26:02Z

Jeff39042: /* WDBD and 'Transformers': 1984-2005 */ new section

Might want to fix the [[Wikipedia:KTLA|KTLA]] and [[Wikipedia:KCAL-TV|KCAL]] links for Los Angeles. :) --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 18:56, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
:Actually it wasn't the links that were wrong for the KTLA links, it was the display text. But thanks for pointing that out as it resulted in my noticing the links for Lincoln were incorrect. And I ''suppose'' I could save people having to click through a disambig page for KCAL. :)--[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 03:05, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
Hi, sorry for taking so very long to get back to you. Unfortunately most of the newspaper archives I have access to cut out at 1977, which means they don't cover any of the relevant periods. The only info I've been able to glean is that the original Transformers cartoon was broadcast on WPIX and WHEC-TV to Syracuse (via the Syracuse Herald-Journal) in late 1984. I've also got a reference in a Madison, WI newspaper that I'm unable to interpret at the moment. Everything else is a bit of a washout, I'm afraid. --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 06:52, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:Not a problem at all. I'm glad you were able to come up with something. Interestingly, WPIX is out of NYC and WHEC from Rochester. I'd say that confirms Rochester. It also seems to indicate that the Syracuse market didn't have an affiliate for the show. Makes some sense as that market didn't have any independent stations until 1986. Could I possibly be of assistance in deciphering the Madison reference? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:35, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::All I've got so far is a channel number (18), but I can't work out what this corresponds to, since the legend on the TV guide doesn't list a channel 18. I'm at a bit of a disadvantage since I'm not from the US and find the presentation confusing, but I'll persevere. I may have found another network broadcasting to Syracuse in 1986 - still not a local one, which is interesting. What I propose to do, rather than continue to use the document search function which is a bit unreliable, is to track down TV listings at 3-month intervals for the networks I've got newspaper coverage for, and then try to narrow things down from there. It may take a while, and it's not going to plug very many gaps, but it'll be thorough and reliable for the few instances it does throw up. I'll get back to you in a couple of weeks. --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 13:41, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
:::There's a WVTV channel 18 out of Milwaukee, WI that was an independent then. It was carried on many cable services in Wisconsin. It's possible that Madison didn't have a broadcast channel carrying it but that residents there could see the show on cable from Milwaukee. I'm sure this is confusing for non-Americans, but it really is quite common. I was able to deduce this possibility without having lived there just from Wikipedia articles and an understanding of US broadcasting, it will at least give you an idea of where to check. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:56, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
::::That's certainly a possibility. It may also explain the situation with Syracuse. I know a few fans in Wisconsin, and I believe they live in the Madison area so I'll check with them to see if they know anything about it. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:52, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Hmm, well my contact says that he thinks G1 would most likely have run on WMSN 47 which would have been channel 8 on cable. Also in regards to Madison getting Milwaukee stations on cable: "And as for receiving Milwaukee stations via cable? I've never known that to be the case in the Madison area markets, but I didn't really watch much cable in this town until 1999. I suppose it's not out of the question, but it would surprise me a little." That said, I think WVTV's still our best lead on the meaning of the listing. From the Wikipedia entry it sounds like it was a similar situation to WGN at the time. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 20:58, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

==Atlanta==
I am almost 99% certain that Generation 1 ran on WGNX, which is now WGCL. I'd have to dig out tapes from my parents' attic to confirm, though. There were three stations running syndicated programming in Atlanta in the 80s, WGNX, WATL, and WUPA. UPA had the really third string stuff - Dinosaucers, Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs, Denver the Last Dinosaur, maybe Robotech a couple years after it was hot. WGNX ran, IIRC, Joe, TF, He-Man in afternoons, with a fourth slot that rotated in and out with whatever the flavor of the season was - I clearly remember Rambo and Bravestarr. WATL, I think, really hit it big when they got TMNT, but before that mostly ran shows that skewed towards younger kids (Tom & Jerry, Woody Woodpecker, that kind of thing). I'd have to double-check with other Atlanta kids, though. I CAN confirm, however, that Beast Wars definitely ran on WUPA, while Beast Machines and RiD ran on WATL (even though they weren't the Fox affiliate at that point, they still ran the Fox Kids programming block). [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:04, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, two more Atlanta-area fans (Recharge and Robo_rob) confirm that TF ran on WGNX. I'll see if I can't dig up anything for Macon, GA while I'm at it. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:59, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::Awesome, the info has been added. Thanks Hoop. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:35, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::G1 ran on WMGC in Macon, GA. No idea about G2 or BW. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:44, 16 July 2010 (EDT)
::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew1r-_SQseY Just found this clip which confirms G1 ran on WAGT at some point.] --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 19:43, 8 December 2013 (EST)
:::::Augusta, GA. It's possible some folks on the far eastern borders of Atlanta metro watched it on WAGT and remember it as such, though. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 11:03, 9 December 2013 (EST)
::::::I must've read Wikipedia wrong when I looked up the station. Could've sworn I read Atlanta, but it says Augusta. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 14:18, 9 December 2013 (EST)

==Charlotte==
Virtually certain that the G1 toon ran on WCCB, as there were no other independent stations in Charlotte at the time and the networks ran soap operas in the afternoons when I distinctly remember watching it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:47, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:Another local fan agrees with my recollections, but I'm not sure where to find the documentation. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:02, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::Would that fan happen to be Zadox Rok? I found a [http://www.thetf.net/forum_posts-TID-8447-PN-46.htm post] at thetf.net where he cites WCCB as the Charlotte affiliate. That we have at least two people, maybe three citing it, and the fact it was the only independent at the time are enough evidence for me to add it. As for documentation, either recorded promos for or during an airing would suffice as would a printed TV listing indicating the station call letter or city it was published in. While it would be nice to have, the difficulty involved in obtaining these things make it unrealistic to require them. Thanks for the help! --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:35, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Nope, not Zadok, so three witnesses. I'm going to try looking at some microfilms of newspapers this weekend for citation of ads. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:43, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I think you messed up on adding Charlotte, WCCB was for G1 toon; I have no idea who ran G2 toon. I remember seeing it (I wish I didn't), but am not sure if it was still on WCCB or if WJZY had picked it up then. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:15, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Indeed I did. Thanks for catching that. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:56, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

== Jackson, Mississippi ==

WDBD '''did indeed''' air ''Transformers,'' ''Transformers: The Movie'' (in April, 1988), ''Transformers: Generation 2'', ''Beast Wars'', ''Beast Machines'', ''Transformers: Robots In Disguise'' and ''Transformers: Cybertron''. After all...I '''live''' in the Jackson, Mississippi area ('''and''' I made that Seibertron.com someone had mentioned)!

Throughout the '80s and '90s, I lived in Jackson. I moved to Brandon, Mississippi (one of Jackson's suburbs) in 2008.

'''Jeff Steele
(Jeff39042)'''

==Waco / Temple / Killeen, Texas ==

I can confirm that at least one season of G1 aired in this market on KCEN-TV, the local NBC affiliate [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCEN KCEN].

I work for the newspaper out of Copperas Cove, Texas ([http://www.coveleaderpress.com/ Cove Leader Press]), and one day I had a chance to skim through some of the archives. I found one batch of papers from the mid-1980s that still had their television listings section intact, and made note of who had what shows.

If you'd like, I can see if I can get permission from the editor to look through the archives again so as to check. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 11:29, 21 January 2014 (EST)

:I had a chance to check the listings today. The 6 October 1985 paper and 19 October 1986 papers have KCEN-TV airing it weekday afternoons (3 PM 1085;, 3:30 PM 1986). There is no mention of them airing the series in 1984, and the TV listings booklet was discontinued before the start of the 1987 season. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 17:39, 21 January 2014 (EST)

::I double-checked the archives again tonight and made a big discovery. Both the 5 May 198'''5''' and 25 August 198'''5''' television guidebooks have KCEN airing Transformers at 9:30 AM on Saturday mornings as opposed to Sunday mornings like everyone else. As I mentioned earlier, KCEN had G. I. Joe airing at 9:30 AM Saturday morning during the fall of 1984. Thing is, there would have been a mere ten episodes of the series at that point, and so I wondered how they would have been able to make those ten episodes last a full season. I couldn't find the January - April 1985 archive book, so I went with the next best thing. At this point, I have two guesses for what happened. Either way, we do, now, know that KCEN had the series for the 1984 season as well. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 12:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)

Final tally, as of 28 February 2014 -

*I can confirm that KCEN broadcast the 1984, 1985, and 1986 seasons of the series, with the 1984 season being delayed until January of 1985 for reasons that are not yet clear. I cannot confirm whether or not they broadcast the 1987 or 1988 seasons as the television book was discontinued before the start of the 1987 television season.

*KBVO, now known as KEYE, also broadcast the 1985 and 1986 seasons; I cannot confirm the 1984 season (as they were not in the listings at the time) or the 1987 or 1988 seasons (for the same reason). Although KBVO is recorded as broadcasting out of the Austin, Texas market, their signal strength reached the southern part of the Waco / Temple / Killeen market during this time period, and so the network can be added to '''both''' the Austin market ''and'' the Waco / Temple / Killeen market, but with a caveat.

*I can confirm from memory that KWKT broadcast Beast Machines and Robots In Disguise; the two shows aired as part of the regular Fox programming block.

[[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 19:34, 28 February 2014 (EST)

==Network One==
Both KDQT (Chico-Redding, California) and WAXC (Montgomery, Alabama) were part of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_One now-defunct "Network One"] independent television network; according to the Wikipedia article, it ran from the "mid-1990s" to 1998. They list KDQT as being "defunct" (meaning that it's likely off the air now), but don't have anything at all for WAXC.

Might be worth it to check the list of Network One affiliates against the list of stations that ran Beast Wars to see if there's any other overlap. If there is, then that might potentially lead us towards more networks that ran Beast Wars.

edit - I think I found WAXC's Facebook page: [https://www.facebook.com/pages/WAXC-TV/151784844863069 link] [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 14:00, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

:K56EX was a now-defunct station out of Honolulu that was part of the Network One chain. Given that two Network One affiliates had Beast Wars, might we have three? [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 14:10, 5 May 2014 (EDT)

== The CW's Vortexx broadcast of Transformers: Prime season 1 ==

Might the broadcasting of Transformers: Prime season 1 on the CW's Vortexx block--which ran from December 8, 2012 to June 1, 2013--be added to this chart? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:26, 26 February 2015 (EST)
: Yeah, that would make sense. That should just be a list of CW affiliates I would think. I'll try to look into it this weekend. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 22:55, 26 February 2015 (EST)
:: This could potentially be a bit complicated. For the Waco / Temple / Killeen, Texas, metropolitan area, CBS station KWTX broadcasts The CW on a digital side band frequency. Because of this, both stations can rightly be listed as KWTX, but doing so might confuse people. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 23:31, 22 December 2015 (EST)

==Time And Date.Com==

[http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1999&country=1 Time And Date.com] is a website that contains calendars for past years. For those who are looking to use newspaper archives to research more information, this can help you determine what day's newspaper you need to access providing that you know what day each week the newspaper's television listings were published. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 23:31, 22 December 2015 (EST)

== WDBD and 'Transformers': 1984-2005 ==

In December, 1984, WDBD (then an independent TV station) had aired ''Transformers'' (syndicated) for the first time.

February, 1988: WDBD became a Fox affiliate.

October, 2001: WDBD defected to The WB.

July, 2006: WDBD rejoined Fox.

In December, 2005, WDBD (then a WB affiliate) had aired a ''Transformers'' cartoon (via The WB)--for the '''last''' time.

Since then, the station has been ''Transformers''-less.

[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 02:26, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

Talk:VAMP

2014-06-02T06:25:49Z

Jeff39042: Created page with "VAMP: '''v'''ehicle, '''a'''ssault, '''m'''ulti'''p'''urpose http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/82/vamp/ --~~~~"

VAMP: '''v'''ehicle, '''a'''ssault, '''m'''ulti'''p'''urpose

http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/82/vamp/

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 02:25, 2 June 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Casey Kasem

2014-05-16T02:51:26Z

Jeff39042: /* CASEY KASEM FOUND IN WASHINGTON STATE */ new section

I'm a little bit concerned about the phrase "not quite arab" in this entry. I'm sure there's no intention to offend here, but I've worked in Lebanon, and the Druze people I met identified themselves as arabic. Also Mr Kasem seems to identify himself as such in the linked article.
Feedback from anyone better informed than me would be great.
-Also whatever edits do or do not result, "zoinks" should definitely remain on the page IMO.

== CASEY KASEM FOUND IN WASHINGTON STATE ==

http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/25521541/authorities-casey-kasem-found-in-washington-state

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 22:51, 15 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Furmanism

2014-02-04T10:34:35Z

Jeff39042: /* AS FAST AS I DARE */ new section

This is awesome. In a "so bad it's good" sort of way. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

----

This is obviously an incomplete list. I also have some that were only repeated once, sometimes in differing forms, which I won't add to the page proper until we find at least one more iteration. If you can find more of any of these, feel free to add them.

Here's my remainder:

===WHOLE WORLD OF PAIN===
*"Get ready, quite literally... for a whole WORLD of pain!" -- Starscream, G2 #11
*"It's about PAIN, Megatron... here's a whole WORLD of it!" -- Starscream, TWWv1 #3

===DOWN TO EARTH--LITERALLY!===
*"Aww, did I bring the poor Autobot '''down to earth''' with a bump?" --'''Rumble, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #6'''
*"Let's bring these latter-generation big shots '''down to earth'''!" --'''Skydive, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #10'''
*"Bring him '''down to earth!'''" --'''Lio Convoy, ''Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #3'''

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm waaaay too comfortable lying on my couch here to go upstairs and find the book and check, but I want to say Swoop did the whole "better to die than run" shtick when the Dinobots were fighting the demons in #76...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::Indeed! Good memory. Hold on... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Now there are '''three''' phrases in which '''down to earth''' is meant '''literally'''.
--[[User:Jeff S|Jeff S]] 08:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Call me humorless if you wish- ==

Normally, I love the humor here. I like that we don't always take everything seriously. However, I think this article is taking things a little far. Boo to this section, basically. Boo-urns, in fact. It feels like it's trashing Furman for no good reason. And I've never heard ANYONE say- "Hey, a similar bit of dialogue in a Simon Furman comic! Must be a Furmanism!"

And, seriously,you don't think some of it is intentional (particularly issue 67)?

I just don't see how this has a place here. --DJ Convoy

:...I saw it as a celebration of Furmanisms, actually. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

::Pretty much. Furman is my main man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there's gotta be more IT NEVER ENDSes than the three I got, right? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
: Well, uh, I wasn't counting the IT NEVER ENDSes on purpose, because Furman does those on purpose, as an intentional self-referential running-gag to his original G1 send-off letter. I don't think it really belongs in this article, as such. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, being a cartoon-centric guy I didn't actually know what the original source of it was. It still strikes me as qualifying as a "Furmanism" though, albeit with a note in the article about it's origin and nature. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I'd never called them Furmanisms before now either, but I do now. As for disrespect... Well, I think a Transfan has to kinda be a Furman fan by definition really. --[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 22:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Not so. I'm a Transformers fan and I don't like Furman's writing much at all. However, I've heard the term "Furmanism" for years online, so it makes sense for this article to exist.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 23:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::You only "have" to like Furman if you like the print media. Certainly no one is mandated to be a fan of Flint Dille--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC).

== REAP THE WHIRLWILD ==

Simon must be a huge Young Guns fan. =D--[[User:Speedbreaker|Speedbreaker]] 04:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't it from the bible though? "They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind", something along those lines? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this one is a little unfair - I bought a cheap pocket paperback X-Men compilation thing and Clairemont used this same phrase twice and only two issues apart. Rather than a Furmanism, it seems to be common comic-book language. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 11:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== On predatory birds and hovering thereof ==

Seriously, we really should include those. Yes, yes, it was only used one other time... but it's by far the most unique of them all. Also, hilarious. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Today while I was at work, I picked up the Transformers Movie Guide and pawed through it. I noticed for the first time this sentence talking about Megatron's alt mode:
*"Like some dread bird of prey, Megatron would hang suspended in the upper atmosphere, raining lightning bolts down on enemy emplacements while his drone (ground) troopers picked off any who attempted to flee or fight back."
--[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:What I'm curious about is, is that close enough to count? If yes, we've finally reached the required three birds of prey. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::I would count it! Sweeeeet. (Furman wrote it, right?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:::[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Movie-Guide-Simon-Furman/dp/0756630134/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1728203-3352961?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191457670&sr=8-1 Non wiki-based proof] for you. We have an article for the book, but I'm sure you'd prefer a source that isn't editable. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 00:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
== Another Time And Place Furmanisms? ==
I seem to recall the Another Time And Place text story ending with the "It Never Ends" furmanism.. can anyone confirm? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It does. Though I'm still iffy on its inclusion in this article without some sort of disclaimer, as he purposefully includes it all the freakin' time (like even in the You Can Draw Transformers book) as some sort of calling card. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:: If he includes it on purpose, wouldn't that make it that much more a Furmanism?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think it would. [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 03:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: In fact, we should have the article end with that section, with the last one being the one from the You Can Draw Transformers book. [[User:Kaosu Reido|Kaosu Reido]] 20:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
::::: He uses it in that book too? HAH! This article should totally do what Kaosu just said it should do. [[User:70.55.211.238|70.55.211.238]] 06:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Since "It never ends!" now is included, I should point out that there's another one, by Shockwave at the end of Time Wars. Don't have the book handy now, so I can't make an exact quote. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Down to earth ==

I spotted the phrase ''down to earth''--used in a '''literal''' sense--in two issues of ''Transformers: Generation 2'' (#6, "The Gathering Darkness"; #10, "War Dawn").

'''-Jeff Steele'''
: Those are already noted further up the page. Thanks, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Not exactly "fight and die"==
There's Crankcase's "Better to die a warrior's death than endure this ''mockery'' of life!" from "The Rise and Fall of the Decepticon Empire"... same theme. Usable? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say so. Look at the section, there are a bunch of em that are similar to "fight and die" but not 100% the same. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== What Order Should They Be Listed In? ==

Given that we're dealing with a short list, I'm not sure the Furmanisms necessarily need to be in alphabetical order. (It's also not a list people are going to be looking things up in. ''"Hey, I wonder if 'In for a penny, in for a pound' is a Furmanism? I better look under 'I' . . . "'')
Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Alphabetical order is better than arbitrary. Though if I had to pick a different ordering system, I'd suggest the order in which they first appeared in fiction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::The order I was trying to put them in was not (quite) arbitrary. It was an attempt to tell a story as if two characters were talking in nothing but Furmanisms. (E.g., "It can be destroyed!" as a response to "What chance do we have?") This is, admittedly, quirky, esoteric, and serves no purpose but The Funny, but I'm not certain alphabetical order serves ''any'' purpose besides "not arbitrary". [[User:JW|JW]] 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::Or, we could list them in the order they appear in today's Shortpacked . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 11:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd much rather they be in an order that's accessible to others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, A) I was joking about Shortpacked. (By the way, keep up the good work.) And, B) a list of only ''ten'' items is accessible by default. It can be reviewed in seconds with a flick of the mouse. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
: I gotta say that I really liked having "IT NEVER ENDS" right next to "IT'S OVER - FINISHED!" [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 16:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Heck, if we change the header from "OVER -- FINISHED" to "IT IS OVER -- FINISHED", we can do that, and keep Walky happy. One of the sample quotes uses "it is over", and another two use "it's over", so this is quite justifiable. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Furman sound effects==
Should we do a Furman sound effects article to accompany this? I'd love to see the instances of 'FFN' :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the other day that we should include "GNNGH". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying. I had forgotten about this given that everybody else (who are vastly more well-versed in the comics than I) evidently couldn't be bothered answering. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Sadly, Furman stopped using SPOOMS! once we started asking him in person to use them more. We apologize. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: A sound effects section should prolly be on this article. A steller example is Grimlock's Ff. Tt. Hf. etc. in the first ''The War Within''. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Why did he stop? Did he realize you guys were lightly mocking his 'isms'? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, what happened? I thought you guys LOVED Furman sound effects! If Furmanisms are good enough for catalogue, then sound effects should damn well be catalogued, too! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:How would we categorize these? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::As in the type of article or within the article itself? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Within this article. I'm sure every story has some sort of sound effects. Are there particular ones Furman uses more than others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::SPOOM!
::::Unfortunately, this sort of article would require the services of somebody like Walky and his friends who, as I understand, are great fans of Furman's sound effects and speech patterns. My own knowledge is painfully limited. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Nemesis Pt 2 ==

as anyone checked Nemesis part 2 for Furmanisms? He did write it, after all. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno about Furmanisms, but the angry shouting-at-the-sky speech about Tigerhawk's death Primal has just outside their base is pretty damn Furmanesque. It's so awesome to see Furman material acted out. But no specific Furmanisms come to mind... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

==A STING in the tail!==
This one pops up when Pincer transforms in.... issue #63? And again in the Magnus Spotlight. Can we get a third, do I hear a third, third third third? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

"Oww! There's just one thing wrong with your little sage, Decepticon. You see, this story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Pincher, "Deadly Obsession" (''Transformers'' #64)

"And this little story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Scorponok, ''Spotlight: Ultra Magnus''

"'''Sting in the tail''': The Dinobot called Snarl can transform into an armored stegosaurus. In battle, he swings his tail at the enemy."

-A brief description of Snarl in ''Transformers: The Ultimate Sticker Book'' (I'm sure [[Simon Furman|you know who]] had something to do with it!)

'''Jeff Steele'''

==He hesitates - and is LOST!==
"He hesitates - and is lost!" -- narrative box, UK #116
"It hesitated and lost EVERYTHING!" -- Dreadwind, UK #218

There's GOT to be one more of these.

== Time we weren't here ==

Hot Rod in Devastation #3, page 8.

This sounds vaguely familiar. Did it get used in Furman stories before? If yes, would it qualify for a Furmanism, or is it too generic?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:Having finally had the chance to read this issue I have to agree that line sounds very familiar, but I can't recall where from... And Nevermore, I think the way Furman says it is unique to him, I've never heard that type of phrase before he came about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Having not yet read Devastation #3, I can say that it's VERY familiar to me as a Furmanism, and I'm 99% sure we could find three examples somewhere. "Time I wasn't here," perhaps. Thing is, he uses so much English colloquialism that I'm rarely ever sure if his phrases are HIS or just from his dialect. "On balance, I prefer...." "My advice to one and all..." I'm not sure where to draw the line, ultimately. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Who are we to play god?==
- "This is hopeless! How am I to decide who deserves life the most? Who am I to play god?" -- Optimus Prime, UK #250 {{storylink|The Greatest Gift of All!}}
 - Prime to Omega Supreme {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}
 - Doubleheader to Longtooth {{Storylink|Deadly Obsession}}
 - "Pray tell, Optimus Primal... how it feels to play GOD?" - Depth Charge {{storylink|Homecoming (issue)|Homecoming}}
:-- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::That one sounds like more of a genuine turn of phrase to me. If we can find many more than these three, I can be convinced it's an actual Furmanism, rather than just something people say. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It is a phrase people use- but I'm pretty sure Furman hits it heavily. It might be worth referencing ''if'' you can find some stock intro format he uses before it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Things Fall Apart==
I noticed this while flipping through the DK Ultimate Guide the other day, and it seemed vaugely familiar. Wasn't it used in some semi-recent IDW comic? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 13:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_%28poem%29 "The Second Coming" by Yeats] gets quoted in a lot of places. Since it's not original to Furman, I don't think we can count it as a Furmanism. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:: I am clearly a literary idiot. Thanks! ...then again, if "Reap The Whirlwind" counts, and that's not something Furman came up with himself, should we discount "Things Fall Apart" if more examples can be found? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 01:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Good question . . . let's first see if he does use "things fall apart" the requisite three times . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::This is used in Regeneration One 80.5 and several other places. I think it should count. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 01:07, 12 May 2012 (EDT)

==How many times?==
*"Again he has cheated death. A chance in a million has turned defeat into victory. How many more times, he wonders..." --Narration, [[...The Harder They Die!]]
*"Curse you, Optimus Prime! How many times? How '''many?!'''" --Megatron, [[Under Fire!]]
*"How many, eh? HOw many have to '''die''' for you to get your jollies? '''HOW MANY?'''" --Ratchet, [[A Savage Circle]]
*"How many times did we both die... only to live again? A vicious cycle from which there seemed no escape." --Optimus Prime, [[New Dawn#"Tales of Earth Part Four"|Tales of Earth, Part Four]]
*"''Curse you'', Rodimus Prime -- ''how many times must I destroy you?''" -- Galvatron, [[Rhythms of Darkness!]]
For your consideration --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Heh. I like the... insistence of the third one, put into context with the rest. But I'd still actually vote against this. It's just a little too generic - to my sensibilities, anyway. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I was wondering, which is why I didn't throw it in automatically. Let's see what other people think, and maybe someone can dig up more of these to solidify it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::: If we make it more specific and go with the "How many times? HOW MANY?" part, then I think we've got something. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 23:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==DEAD wrong!==
* "Urr...if you think we're beaten, Autobot -- you're ''dead'' wrong!" -- Bludgeon {{storylink|The Lesser Evil}}
: Isn't 'dead wrong' a pretty common phrase?--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, but not as a pun roughly translating to "you are wrong, and you are also dead." I haven't read the story in question, but it sounds like that's what he's saying. [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

==What do you think you're playing at?==
*"Uhn! Blast it, Backstreet! What're you playing at?" -- Dogfight, "[[Race with the Devil]]"
* "Whaddaya think you're playing at, Inferno?" -- Broadside, "[[Survivors!]]"
* "''What'' do you think" "you're playing at?" -- Doubleheader, "[[Whose Lifeforce Is It Anyway?]]"
* "''Hey!'' What are you playing at, ''Nightbeat''?" -- Kup, "[[The Pri¢e of Life!]]"
: Totally vouching for this one, it's one of my favorite Furmanisms. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==No! You're dead!==
* "No! Y-you were dead... I killed you!" -- Thunderwing, "[[The Big Shutdown!]]"
* "No! It - it ''can't'' be you... you're dead!" -- Ratchet, "[[Back from the Dead]]"
* "No! I saw you die, felt your ''aura'' leave its mortal remains! You were ''no more!''" -- Bludgeon, "[[End of the Road!]]"
* "YOU did this... but you're DEAD!" -- Dreadwind, "[[Race with the Devil]]" (cover)
* "No! It can't be you... you're dead!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]" (cover)
* "Nooo! You're - you're dead... ''dead!'' I saw you die!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]"

==Shattered Expectations==
Should there be some mention here about the reverse Furmanisms in the Shattered Expectations April Fools comic pages? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Power Beyond Measure==
* "Flee! Power beyond measure, this one has! His light--hurts!" --Demon, re: ActionMaster Grimlock
* "I offer you dark secrets, whispers from the timelost past; power--BEYOND MEASURE!" --The Fallen

Okay, the last one isn't an exact quote, but the Furmanism was definitely carried over. And I'm naggingly sure I've heard it much more often than that....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== INTO ITS MAW ==

I know this has been used in several instances. Laserbeak thrown into Slag's maw in [[Dinobot Hunt!]], Prime plunging the Matrix into Unicron's maw, that creature with the matrix energy in it's maw. Any others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:If we end up using it, it should be "ITS MAW", not "IT'S MAW". Possessive, not contraction. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed. Made a typo. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Putting our own house in order ==

I believe this one has been said enough times to qualify as one.
* Care to give us some examples, champ? [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:54, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

== Well and truly... ==

I think this qualifies. Furman's been hitting it really hard recently. I think we should starting collecting them!--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:26, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Movie adaptation ==

Got the ROTF Movie adaptation trade from Target the other day. There are no less than three Furmanisms in it, four if we decide to add "well and truly".

However, do you think we should wait to see if any of these lines are in the actual movie, and thus probably not originally not written by Furman? I doubt it, but I guess we should wait to see to be safe.

*"Done"? I fear, Major Lennox...that it NEVER ends!"- Optimus Prime

*"Hm. Don't recognize the make and model, but I know the form. Time I wasn't he- AAAARGHHH!"- Jetfire ALMOST gets it out

*"This world and all on it...shall die SCREAMING."- The Fallen

--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== Not limited to just Furman? ==
In an issue of Anderson: Psi Judge (Posession, to be specific) from the Judge Dredd series, one of the characters used one of the popular Furmanisms. I checked, and the credits were by Alan Grant under the name R Clark. I'm not sure if this is worth a mention or not, and I'm not a contributor, so I'll just leave you guys with a link http://i25.tinypic.com/vql4is.png
:Thanks for pointing that out. It does bring up something I've wondered about in the past: Where's the line between "Furmanism" and "British colloquialism"? Or should we care at all? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::I'd say "well and truly" is a borderline case. It's just a popular idiom over here - 14,500,000 results from Google would seem to back this up - rather than a phrase Furman invented to make robots sound cool. Does that matter? Maybe, because I'm thinking that beyond the IDWverse, there's probably a million examples to be found in Marvel UK, if not Furman's US run. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 04:13, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE ==
* "DECEPTICONS- Let's hear the call... NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE!" --Headstrong. [[Stormbringer issue 4]]
* "No Mercy!" "No Limits!" "No one... GETS OUT ALIVE!" --various Predacons. [[The Ascending issue 4|''Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #4]]
* "That Said, However it goes... NO ONE gets out alive." -- Scorponok. [[Maximum Dinobots issue 3]]

No clue if this appears elsewhere, but it sounds like it should be a furmanism.--[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 15:37, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

yeah, fairly certain i've heard this elsewhere too.--[[Special:Contributions/68.9.60.113|68.9.60.113]] 16:23, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

== -- Just ran out! ==

* "Predacons. Whatever period of grace we might've had -- just ran out!" --Bonecrusher. [[The Gathering issue 4]]

Ran across this, and I know I've heard something like it before. Going to start looking. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 07:14, 24 December 2009 (EST)

::Ooh, um, Gen 2 #9, if recall correctly too. On the very last page. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 11:21, 24 December 2009 (EST)
==Fall Damn you, FALL!==
Seen said by Megatron in Armada Worlds Collide arc by Dreamwave in issue #16 and in One of the Beast Wars comics by IDW (I forget where I saw it now.) I also feel I've heard it somewhere else before..but I figured sense both were clearly by Furman, sounds like a Furmanism to me.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
::Eh, probably too generic. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 07:45, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:::It's a reference to ''something'', isn't it? (*feels stupid for not being able to recall off the top of her head*) Mowry uses it in TotF #6, too, and it sounds familiar somehow. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:12, 9 January 2010 (EST)

[[Image:Battleofautobotcity.jpg|left|180px|thumb]]Yeah....

"Out of the way, Hot Rod!" 
"Fall! FALL!" 
"I would've waited an eternity for this. It's over Prime." 
"NEVER!"

Little familiar... --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 12:07, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, I remembered ''that'' bit, but I meant this specific variation I could swear got used outside of the comics, too. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:26, 9 January 2010 (EST)

::The Fall, Damn U Fall, was used by Magmatron to Grimlock in [[Transformers: Beast Wars: The Gathering|The Gathering]] issue 3 or 4. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:34, 9 January 2010 (EST)

== End of the Road! ==

* [[End of the Road! (UK)]]
* [[End of the Road! (US)]]
* Cover of [[A Rage in Heaven!]]
* Also, as noted on the UK page, he also used it for the last issue of ''Dragon's Claws''.

Seems like Furman rather liked using that phrase whenever he had a finale, and considering half the characters turn into road vehicles, it's rather appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 16:53, 25 September 2010 (EDT)
* He also used it in Devastation #3. It's apparently common enough that the LSotW paperback included a few references to it, in its rapid-fire [[Fisitronism]]s. --75.25.141.40 6:05, 28 June 2011 (EDT)

== THE TRUE MEANING OF POWER ==

* "It is time to '''educate''' you '''in ''the true meaning of power!'''''

Galvatron, [[Out of Time!]] (''Transformers'' #73)

*"I will show Starscream, or whoever has control of the Warworld, ''the true '''meaning''' of power.''

Jhiaxus, [[Dark Shadows!]] (''Transformers: Generation 2'' #11)

[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 05:18, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

== Why? ==

Maybe its just that I didn't read much of the Marvel comic, but I don't really see the need for this page. Most of these are fairly standard pulp fiction cliches. "Reap the whirlwind" is even a Biblical quote! The only one that seems original to me is the "vast predatory bird". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:Fans have had fun at the expense of these for years. Furman's acknowledged it in good fun. Seems important/notable enough for me. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 21:07, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

== Irrevocably! ==

I seem to recall the word 'irrevocably' being used a lot in Furman stories.{{unsigned}}
: I think we should probably require more than one word in our Furmanisms. There's a fuzzy line somewhere between "amusing" and "petty." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:40, 22 October 2011 (EDT)

== Got to-- SPOOM! ==

Where does "Got to-- SPOOM!" come from? It's referenced all over the wiki, but the links all point to the Furmanism page, and the only reference on the Furmanism page goes to Crossblades (G1), which just links back to Furmanism. Where did it originally come from? [[Special:Contributions/92.15.171.251|92.15.171.251]] 08:39, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
: It's a portmandeau of a "TIME I MADE A STAND" variant and a sound effect he used twice, where the sum of their parts recreates how Furman liked to kill folks in the middle of reacting to incoming bad guys. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:11, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

::Ah, thanks.[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 17:07, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

== other writers? SG versions? enough already? ==

Does the word [[Furmanism]] only refer to instances actually written by [[Simon Furman]], with other writers' usages merely paying [[homage]]? Case in point: [[Dungeons_%26_Dinobots|Dungeons & Dinobots]] is written by [[Trent Troop]] and [[Greg Sepelak]], and has [[Carnivac (SG)]] saying "Come, villain! The Mayhem Suppression Squad has shown you its valor, ''[[Furmanism#CAN_I_DO_LESS.3F|can you not do more]]''?"

Speaking of [[Shattered Glass]], [[Furmanism#Notes]] notes that
*In the "[[Shattered Expectations (SG)|Shattered Expectations]]" April Fools comic, [[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]] uses a reverse Furmanism: "Once we have this secret technology the Decepticon insurgency will be FINISHED... OVER!" He later uses it (for real) in "[[Eye in the Sky]]". In later parts of the ''[[Shattered Glass]]'' universe, the Furmanisms begin getting not only flipped but fully mirrored.
Does that statement suffice for all SG Furmanismatics?

Does the [[Furmanism]] article have enough examples to illustrate the existence of the phenomenon, so not ''every'' [[Talk:Furmanism#ROTF_Movie_adaptation|example]] NEEDS to be listed?

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 02:12, 4 February 2014 (EST)

== AS FAST AS I DARE ==

'''"I'm already going ''as fast as I dare'' in these conditions!"'''

[[Doubleheader]], [[Deadly Obsession]]

'''"I'm pushing it ''as fast as I dare'' right now!'''

[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], [[The Last Autobot?]]

'''"We're going ''as fast we dare''. We've had too many setbacks to rush things right now."'''

[[Abraham Dante]], ''[[Escalation]] #5''

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] ([[User talk:Jeff39042|talk]]) 05:34, 4 February 2014 (EST)

Talk:Letters page

2012-03-04T09:51:31Z

Jeff39042: /* Transmissions (Generation 2) */ new section

I've been rereading some of the letters pages from the old Marvel comic. One thing I've noticed is that they will often print letters from Transformers. Now, I know that they were written by readers, but nevertheless, it seems to me that we're talking about licensed books featuring content purportedly written by Transformers. Would anyone object if I were to add them to the fiction section of the Marvel comics section of said character's profiles? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 23:36, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

== Transmissions (Generation 2) ==

I was lucky enough to have had '''three letters''' printed in the letters pages of ''Transformers'' #34 and #75, and ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #8. My '''name''' was also mentioned in ''Transformers'' #45 and ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #10's letter page.

From 1980 to 2008, I lived at '''3808 Camilla Drive''', in '''Jackson, Mississippi'''. Since October, 2008, I've lived in '''Brandon, Mississippi'''.

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 04:51, 4 March 2012 (EST)
'''(Jeff Steele)'''

Talk:Furmanism

2011-04-17T09:21:01Z

Jeff39042: /* THE TRUE MEANING OF POWER */

This is awesome. In a "so bad it's good" sort of way. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

----

This is obviously an incomplete list. I also have some that were only repeated once, sometimes in differing forms, which I won't add to the page proper until we find at least one more iteration. If you can find more of any of these, feel free to add them.

Here's my remainder:

===WHOLE WORLD OF PAIN===
*"Get ready, quite literally... for a whole WORLD of pain!" -- Starscream, G2 #11
*"It's about PAIN, Megatron... here's a whole WORLD of it!" -- Starscream, TWWv1 #3

===DOWN TO EARTH--LITERALLY!===
*"Aww, did I bring the poor Autobot '''down to earth''' with a bump?" --'''Rumble, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #6'''
*"Let's bring these latter-generation big shots '''down to earth'''!" --'''Skydive, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #10'''
*"Bring him '''down to earth!'''" --'''Lio Convoy, ''Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #3'''

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm waaaay too comfortable lying on my couch here to go upstairs and find the book and check, but I want to say Swoop did the whole "better to die than run" shtick when the Dinobots were fighting the demons in #76...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::Indeed! Good memory. Hold on... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Now there are '''three''' phrases in which '''down to earth''' is meant '''literally'''.
--[[User:Jeff S|Jeff S]] 08:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Call me humorless if you wish- ==

Normally, I love the humor here. I like that we don't always take everything seriously. However, I think this article is taking things a little far. Boo to this section, basically. Boo-urns, in fact. It feels like it's trashing Furman for no good reason. And I've never heard ANYONE say- "Hey, a similar bit of dialogue in a Simon Furman comic! Must be a Furmanism!"

And, seriously,you don't think some of it is intentional (particularly issue 67)?

I just don't see how this has a place here. --DJ Convoy

:...I saw it as a celebration of Furmanisms, actually. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

::Pretty much. Furman is my main man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there's gotta be more IT NEVER ENDSes than the three I got, right? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
: Well, uh, I wasn't counting the IT NEVER ENDSes on purpose, because Furman does those on purpose, as an intentional self-referential running-gag to his original G1 send-off letter. I don't think it really belongs in this article, as such. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, being a cartoon-centric guy I didn't actually know what the original source of it was. It still strikes me as qualifying as a "Furmanism" though, albeit with a note in the article about it's origin and nature. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I'd never called them Furmanisms before now either, but I do now. As for disrespect... Well, I think a Transfan has to kinda be a Furman fan by definition really. --[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 22:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Not so. I'm a Transformers fan and I don't like Furman's writing much at all. However, I've heard the term "Furmanism" for years online, so it makes sense for this article to exist.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 23:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::You only "have" to like Furman if you like the print media. Certainly no one is mandated to be a fan of Flint Dille--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC).

== REAP THE WHIRLWILD ==

Simon must be a huge Young Guns fan. =D--[[User:Speedbreaker|Speedbreaker]] 04:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't it from the bible though? "They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind", something along those lines? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this one is a little unfair - I bought a cheap pocket paperback X-Men compilation thing and Clairemont used this same phrase twice and only two issues apart. Rather than a Furmanism, it seems to be common comic-book language. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 11:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== On predatory birds and hovering thereof ==

Seriously, we really should include those. Yes, yes, it was only used one other time... but it's by far the most unique of them all. Also, hilarious. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Today while I was at work, I picked up the Transformers Movie Guide and pawed through it. I noticed for the first time this sentence talking about Megatron's alt mode:
*"Like some dread bird of prey, Megatron would hang suspended in the upper atmosphere, raining lightning bolts down on enemy emplacements while his drone (ground) troopers picked off any who attempted to flee or fight back."
--[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:What I'm curious about is, is that close enough to count? If yes, we've finally reached the required three birds of prey. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::I would count it! Sweeeeet. (Furman wrote it, right?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:::[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Movie-Guide-Simon-Furman/dp/0756630134/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1728203-3352961?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191457670&sr=8-1 Non wiki-based proof] for you. We have an article for the book, but I'm sure you'd prefer a source that isn't editable. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 00:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
== Another Time And Place Furmanisms? ==
I seem to recall the Another Time And Place text story ending with the "It Never Ends" furmanism.. can anyone confirm? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It does. Though I'm still iffy on its inclusion in this article without some sort of disclaimer, as he purposefully includes it all the freakin' time (like even in the You Can Draw Transformers book) as some sort of calling card. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:: If he includes it on purpose, wouldn't that make it that much more a Furmanism?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think it would. [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 03:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: In fact, we should have the article end with that section, with the last one being the one from the You Can Draw Transformers book. [[User:Kaosu Reido|Kaosu Reido]] 20:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
::::: He uses it in that book too? HAH! This article should totally do what Kaosu just said it should do. [[User:70.55.211.238|70.55.211.238]] 06:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Since "It never ends!" now is included, I should point out that there's another one, by Shockwave at the end of Time Wars. Don't have the book handy now, so I can't make an exact quote. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Down to earth ==

I spotted the phrase ''down to earth''--used in a '''literal''' sense--in two issues of ''Transformers: Generation 2'' (#6, "The Gathering Darkness"; #10, "War Dawn").

'''-Jeff Steele'''
: Those are already noted further up the page. Thanks, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Not exactly "fight and die"==
There's Crankcase's "Better to die a warrior's death than endure this ''mockery'' of life!" from "The Rise and Fall of the Decepticon Empire"... same theme. Usable? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say so. Look at the section, there are a bunch of em that are similar to "fight and die" but not 100% the same. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== What Order Should They Be Listed In? ==

Given that we're dealing with a short list, I'm not sure the Furmanisms necessarily need to be in alphabetical order. (It's also not a list people are going to be looking things up in. ''"Hey, I wonder if 'In for a penny, in for a pound' is a Furmanism? I better look under 'I' . . . "'')
Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Alphabetical order is better than arbitrary. Though if I had to pick a different ordering system, I'd suggest the order in which they first appeared in fiction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::The order I was trying to put them in was not (quite) arbitrary. It was an attempt to tell a story as if two characters were talking in nothing but Furmanisms. (E.g., "It can be destroyed!" as a response to "What chance do we have?") This is, admittedly, quirky, esoteric, and serves no purpose but The Funny, but I'm not certain alphabetical order serves ''any'' purpose besides "not arbitrary". [[User:JW|JW]] 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::Or, we could list them in the order they appear in today's Shortpacked . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 11:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd much rather they be in an order that's accessible to others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, A) I was joking about Shortpacked. (By the way, keep up the good work.) And, B) a list of only ''ten'' items is accessible by default. It can be reviewed in seconds with a flick of the mouse. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
: I gotta say that I really liked having "IT NEVER ENDS" right next to "IT'S OVER - FINISHED!" [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 16:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Heck, if we change the header from "OVER -- FINISHED" to "IT IS OVER -- FINISHED", we can do that, and keep Walky happy. One of the sample quotes uses "it is over", and another two use "it's over", so this is quite justifiable. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Furman sound effects==
Should we do a Furman sound effects article to accompany this? I'd love to see the instances of 'FFN' :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the other day that we should include "GNNGH". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying. I had forgotten about this given that everybody else (who are vastly more well-versed in the comics than I) evidently couldn't be bothered answering. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Sadly, Furman stopped using SPOOMS! once we started asking him in person to use them more. We apologize. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: A sound effects section should prolly be on this article. A steller example is Grimlock's Ff. Tt. Hf. etc. in the first ''The War Within''. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Why did he stop? Did he realize you guys were lightly mocking his 'isms'? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, what happened? I thought you guys LOVED Furman sound effects! If Furmanisms are good enough for catalogue, then sound effects should damn well be catalogued, too! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:How would we categorize these? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::As in the type of article or within the article itself? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Within this article. I'm sure every story has some sort of sound effects. Are there particular ones Furman uses more than others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::SPOOM!
::::Unfortunately, this sort of article would require the services of somebody like Walky and his friends who, as I understand, are great fans of Furman's sound effects and speech patterns. My own knowledge is painfully limited. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Nemesis Pt 2 ==

as anyone checked Nemesis part 2 for Furmanisms? He did write it, after all. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno about Furmanisms, but the angry shouting-at-the-sky speech about Tigerhawk's death Primal has just outside their base is pretty damn Furmanesque. It's so awesome to see Furman material acted out. But no specific Furmanisms come to mind... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

==A STING in the tail!==
This one pops up when Pincer transforms in.... issue #63? And again in the Magnus Spotlight. Can we get a third, do I hear a third, third third third? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

"Oww! There's just one thing wrong with your little sage, Decepticon. You see, this story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Pincher, "Deadly Obsession" (''Transformers'' #64)

"And this little story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Scorponok, ''Spotlight: Ultra Magnus''

"'''Sting in the tail''': The Dinobot called Snarl can transform into an armored stegosaurus. In battle, he swings his tail at the enemy."

-A brief description of Snarl in ''Transformers: The Ultimate Sticker Book'' (I'm sure [[Simon Furman|you know who]] had something to do with it!)

'''Jeff Steele'''

==He hesitates - and is LOST!==
"He hesitates - and is lost!" -- narrative box, UK #116
"It hesitated and lost EVERYTHING!" -- Dreadwind, UK #218

There's GOT to be one more of these.

== Time we weren't here ==

Hot Rod in Devastation #3, page 8.

This sounds vaguely familiar. Did it get used in Furman stories before? If yes, would it qualify for a Furmanism, or is it too generic?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:Having finally had the chance to read this issue I have to agree that line sounds very familiar, but I can't recall where from... And Nevermore, I think the way Furman says it is unique to him, I've never heard that type of phrase before he came about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Having not yet read Devastation #3, I can say that it's VERY familiar to me as a Furmanism, and I'm 99% sure we could find three examples somewhere. "Time I wasn't here," perhaps. Thing is, he uses so much English colloquialism that I'm rarely ever sure if his phrases are HIS or just from his dialect. "On balance, I prefer...." "My advice to one and all..." I'm not sure where to draw the line, ultimately. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Who are we to play god?==
- "This is hopeless! How am I to decide who deserves life the most? Who am I to play god?" -- Optimus Prime, UK #250 {{storylink|The Greatest Gift of All!}}
 - Prime to Omega Supreme {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}
 - Doubleheader to Longtooth {{Storylink|Deadly Obsession}}
 - "Pray tell, Optimus Primal... how it feels to play GOD?" - Depth Charge {{storylink|Homecoming (issue)|Homecoming}}
:-- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::That one sounds like more of a genuine turn of phrase to me. If we can find many more than these three, I can be convinced it's an actual Furmanism, rather than just something people say. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It is a phrase people use- but I'm pretty sure Furman hits it heavily. It might be worth referencing ''if'' you can find some stock intro format he uses before it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Things Fall Apart==
I noticed this while flipping through the DK Ultimate Guide the other day, and it seemed vaugely familiar. Wasn't it used in some semi-recent IDW comic? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 13:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_%28poem%29 "The Second Coming" by Yeats] gets quoted in a lot of places. Since it's not original to Furman, I don't think we can count it as a Furmanism. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:: I am clearly a literary idiot. Thanks! ...then again, if "Reap The Whirlwind" counts, and that's not something Furman came up with himself, should we discount "Things Fall Apart" if more examples can be found? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 01:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Good question . . . let's first see if he does use "things fall apart" the requisite three times . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

==How many times?==
*"Again he has cheated death. A chance in a million has turned defeat into victory. How many more times, he wonders..." --Narration, [[The Harder They Die!]]
*"Curse you, Optimus Prime! How many times? How '''many?!'''" --Megatron, [[Under Fire!]]
*"How many, eh? HOw many have to '''die''' for you to get your jollies? '''HOW MANY?'''" --Ratchet, [[A Savage Circle]]
*"How many times did we both die... only to live again? A vicious cycle from which there seemed no escape." --Optimus Prime, [[New Dawn#"Tales of Earth Part Four"|Tales of Earth, Part Four]]
*"''Curse you'', Rodimus Prime -- ''how many times must I destroy you?''" -- Galvatron, [[Rhythms of Darkness!]]
For your consideration --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Heh. I like the... insistence of the third one, put into context with the rest. But I'd still actually vote against this. It's just a little too generic - to my sensibilities, anyway. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I was wondering, which is why I didn't throw it in automatically. Let's see what other people think, and maybe someone can dig up more of these to solidify it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::: If we make it more specific and go with the "How many times? HOW MANY?" part, then I think we've got something. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 23:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==DEAD wrong!==
* "Urr...if you think we're beaten, Autobot -- you're ''dead'' wrong!" -- Bludgeon {{storylink|The Lesser Evil}}
: Isn't 'dead wrong' a pretty common phrase?--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, but not as a pun roughly translating to "you are wrong, and you are also dead." I haven't read the story in question, but it sounds like that's what he's saying. [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

==What do you think you're playing at?==
*"Uhn! Blast it, Backstreet! What're you playing at?" -- Dogfight, "[[Race with the Devil]]"
* "Whaddaya think you're playing at, Inferno?" -- Broadside, "[[Survivors!]]"
* "''What'' do you think" "you're playing at?" -- Doubleheader, "[[Whose Lifeforce Is It Anyway?]]"
* "''Hey!'' What are you playing at, ''Nightbeat''?" -- Kup, "[[The Pri¢e of Life!]]"
: Totally vouching for this one, it's one of my favorite Furmanisms. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==No! You're dead!==
* "No! Y-you were dead... I killed you!" -- Thunderwing, "[[The Big Shutdown!]]"
* "No! It - it ''can't'' be you... you're dead!" -- Ratchet, "[[Back from the Dead]]"
* "No! I saw you die, felt your ''aura'' leave its mortal remains! You were ''no more!''" -- Bludgeon, "[[End of the Road!]]"
* "YOU did this... but you're DEAD!" -- Dreadwind, "[[Race with the Devil]]" (cover)
* "No! It can't be you... you're dead!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]" (cover)
* "Nooo! You're - you're dead... ''dead!'' I saw you die!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]"

==Shattered Expectations==
Should there be some mention here about the reverse Furmanisms in the Shattered Expectations April Fools comic pages? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Power Beyond Measure==
* "Flee! Power beyond measure, this one has! His light--hurts!" --Demon, re: ActionMaster Grimlock
* "I offer you dark secrets, whispers from the timelost past; power--BEYOND MEASURE!" --The Fallen

Okay, the last one isn't an exact quote, but the Furmanism was definitely carried over. And I'm naggingly sure I've heard it much more often than that....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== INTO ITS MAW ==

I know this has been used in several instances. Laserbeak thrown into Slag's maw in [[Dinobot Hunt!]], Prime plunging the Matrix into Unicron's maw, that creature with the matrix energy in it's maw. Any others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:If we end up using it, it should be "ITS MAW", not "IT'S MAW". Possessive, not contraction. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed. Made a typo. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Putting our own house in order ==

I believe this one has been said enough times to qualify as one.
* Care to give us some examples, champ? [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:54, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

== Well and truly... ==

I think this qualifies. Furman's been hitting it really hard recently. I think we should starting collecting them!--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:26, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Movie adaptation ==

Got the ROTF Movie adaptation trade from Target the other day. There are no less than three Furmanisms in it, four if we decide to add "well and truly".

However, do you think we should wait to see if any of these lines are in the actual movie, and thus probably not originally not written by Furman? I doubt it, but I guess we should wait to see to be safe.

*"Done"? I fear, Major Lennox...that it NEVER ends!"- Optimus Prime

*"Hm. Don't recognize the make and model, but I know the form. Time I wasn't he- AAAARGHHH!"- Jetfire ALMOST gets it out

*"This world and all on it...shall die SCREAMING."- The Fallen

--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== Not limited to just Furman? ==
In an issue of Anderson: Psi Judge (Posession, to be specific) from the Judge Dredd series, one of the characters used one of the popular Furmanisms. I checked, and the credits were by Alan Grant under the name R Clark. I'm not sure if this is worth a mention or not, and I'm not a contributor, so I'll just leave you guys with a link http://i25.tinypic.com/vql4is.png
:Thanks for pointing that out. It does bring up something I've wondered about in the past: Where's the line between "Furmanism" and "British colloquialism"? Or should we care at all? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::I'd say "well and truly" is a borderline case. It's just a popular idiom over here - 14,500,000 results from Google would seem to back this up - rather than a phrase Furman invented to make robots sound cool. Does that matter? Maybe, because I'm thinking that beyond the IDWverse, there's probably a million examples to be found in Marvel UK, if not Furman's US run. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 04:13, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE ==
* "DECEPTICONS- Let's hear the call... NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE!" --Headstrong. [[Stormbringer issue 4]]
* "No Mercy!" "No Limits!" "No one... GETS OUT ALIVE!" --various Predacons. [[The Ascending issue 4|''Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #4]]
* "That Said, However it goes... NO ONE gets out alive." -- Scorponok. [[Maximum Dinobots issue 3]]

No clue if this appears elsewhere, but it sounds like it should be a furmanism.--[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 15:37, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

yeah, fairly certain i've heard this elsewhere too.--[[Special:Contributions/68.9.60.113|68.9.60.113]] 16:23, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

== -- Just ran out! ==

* "Predacons. Whatever period of grace we might've had -- just ran out!" --Bonecrusher. [[The Gathering issue 4]]

Ran across this, and I know I've heard something like it before. Going to start looking. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 07:14, 24 December 2009 (EST)

::Ooh, um, Gen 2 #9, if recall correctly too. On the very last page. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 11:21, 24 December 2009 (EST)
==Fall Damn you, FALL!==
Seen said by Megatron in Armada Worlds Collide arc by Dreamwave in issue #16 and in One of the Beast Wars comics by IDW (I forget where I saw it now.) I also feel I've heard it somewhere else before..but I figured sense both were clearly by Furman, sounds like a Furmanism to me.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
::Eh, probably too generic. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 07:45, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:::It's a reference to ''something'', isn't it? (*feels stupid for not being able to recall off the top of her head*) Mowry uses it in TotF #6, too, and it sounds familiar somehow. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:12, 9 January 2010 (EST)

[[Image:Battleofautobotcity.jpg|left|180px|thumb]]Yeah....

"Out of the way, Hot Rod!" 
"Fall! FALL!" 
"I would've waited an eternity for this. It's over Prime." 
"NEVER!"

Little familiar... --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 12:07, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, I remembered ''that'' bit, but I meant this specific variation I could swear got used outside of the comics, too. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:26, 9 January 2010 (EST)

::The Fall, Damn U Fall, was used by Magmatron to Grimlock in [[The Gathering]] issue 3 or 4. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:34, 9 January 2010 (EST)

== End of the Road! ==

* [[End of the Road! (UK)]]
* [[End of the Road! (US)]]
* Cover of [[A Rage in Heaven!]]
* Also, as noted on the UK page, he also used it for the last issue of ''Dragon's Claws''.

Seems like Furman rather liked using that phrase whenever he had a finale, and considering half the characters turn into road vehicles, it's rather appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 16:53, 25 September 2010 (EDT)

== THE TRUE MEANING OF POWER ==

* "It is time to '''educate''' you '''in ''the true meaning of power!'''''

Galvatron, [[Out of Time!]] (''Transformers'' #73)

*"I will show Starscream, or whoever has control of the Warworld, ''the true '''meaning''' of power.''

Jhiaxus, [[Dark Shadows!]] (''Transformers: Generation 2'' #11)

[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 05:18, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

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This is awesome. In a "so bad it's good" sort of way. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

----

This is obviously an incomplete list. I also have some that were only repeated once, sometimes in differing forms, which I won't add to the page proper until we find at least one more iteration. If you can find more of any of these, feel free to add them.

Here's my remainder:

===WHOLE WORLD OF PAIN===
*"Get ready, quite literally... for a whole WORLD of pain!" -- Starscream, G2 #11
*"It's about PAIN, Megatron... here's a whole WORLD of it!" -- Starscream, TWWv1 #3

===DOWN TO EARTH--LITERALLY!===
*"Aww, did I bring the poor Autobot '''down to earth''' with a bump?" --'''Rumble, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #6'''
*"Let's bring these latter-generation big shots '''down to earth'''!" --'''Skydive, ''Transformers: Generation 2'' #10'''
*"Bring him '''down to earth!'''" --'''Lio Convoy, ''Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #3'''

--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:I'm waaaay too comfortable lying on my couch here to go upstairs and find the book and check, but I want to say Swoop did the whole "better to die than run" shtick when the Dinobots were fighting the demons in #76...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::Indeed! Good memory. Hold on... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Now there are '''three''' phrases in which '''down to earth''' is meant '''literally'''.
--[[User:Jeff S|Jeff S]] 08:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Call me humorless if you wish- ==

Normally, I love the humor here. I like that we don't always take everything seriously. However, I think this article is taking things a little far. Boo to this section, basically. Boo-urns, in fact. It feels like it's trashing Furman for no good reason. And I've never heard ANYONE say- "Hey, a similar bit of dialogue in a Simon Furman comic! Must be a Furmanism!"

And, seriously,you don't think some of it is intentional (particularly issue 67)?

I just don't see how this has a place here. --DJ Convoy

:...I saw it as a celebration of Furmanisms, actually. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

::Pretty much. Furman is my main man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there's gotta be more IT NEVER ENDSes than the three I got, right? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
: Well, uh, I wasn't counting the IT NEVER ENDSes on purpose, because Furman does those on purpose, as an intentional self-referential running-gag to his original G1 send-off letter. I don't think it really belongs in this article, as such. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::Well, being a cartoon-centric guy I didn't actually know what the original source of it was. It still strikes me as qualifying as a "Furmanism" though, albeit with a note in the article about it's origin and nature. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I'd never called them Furmanisms before now either, but I do now. As for disrespect... Well, I think a Transfan has to kinda be a Furman fan by definition really. --[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 22:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Not so. I'm a Transformers fan and I don't like Furman's writing much at all. However, I've heard the term "Furmanism" for years online, so it makes sense for this article to exist.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 23:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::You only "have" to like Furman if you like the print media. Certainly no one is mandated to be a fan of Flint Dille--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC).

== REAP THE WHIRLWILD ==

Simon must be a huge Young Guns fan. =D--[[User:Speedbreaker|Speedbreaker]] 04:24, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't it from the bible though? "They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind", something along those lines? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this one is a little unfair - I bought a cheap pocket paperback X-Men compilation thing and Clairemont used this same phrase twice and only two issues apart. Rather than a Furmanism, it seems to be common comic-book language. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 11:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== On predatory birds and hovering thereof ==

Seriously, we really should include those. Yes, yes, it was only used one other time... but it's by far the most unique of them all. Also, hilarious. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Today while I was at work, I picked up the Transformers Movie Guide and pawed through it. I noticed for the first time this sentence talking about Megatron's alt mode:
*"Like some dread bird of prey, Megatron would hang suspended in the upper atmosphere, raining lightning bolts down on enemy emplacements while his drone (ground) troopers picked off any who attempted to flee or fight back."
--[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:What I'm curious about is, is that close enough to count? If yes, we've finally reached the required three birds of prey. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 23:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::I would count it! Sweeeeet. (Furman wrote it, right?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:::[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Movie-Guide-Simon-Furman/dp/0756630134/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1728203-3352961?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1191457670&sr=8-1 Non wiki-based proof] for you. We have an article for the book, but I'm sure you'd prefer a source that isn't editable. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 00:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
== Another Time And Place Furmanisms? ==
I seem to recall the Another Time And Place text story ending with the "It Never Ends" furmanism.. can anyone confirm? [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It does. Though I'm still iffy on its inclusion in this article without some sort of disclaimer, as he purposefully includes it all the freakin' time (like even in the You Can Draw Transformers book) as some sort of calling card. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:: If he includes it on purpose, wouldn't that make it that much more a Furmanism?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think it would. [[User:70.53.249.237|70.53.249.237]] 03:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: In fact, we should have the article end with that section, with the last one being the one from the You Can Draw Transformers book. [[User:Kaosu Reido|Kaosu Reido]] 20:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
::::: He uses it in that book too? HAH! This article should totally do what Kaosu just said it should do. [[User:70.55.211.238|70.55.211.238]] 06:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Since "It never ends!" now is included, I should point out that there's another one, by Shockwave at the end of Time Wars. Don't have the book handy now, so I can't make an exact quote. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Down to earth ==

I spotted the phrase ''down to earth''--used in a '''literal''' sense--in two issues of ''Transformers: Generation 2'' (#6, "The Gathering Darkness"; #10, "War Dawn").

'''-Jeff Steele'''
: Those are already noted further up the page. Thanks, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Not exactly "fight and die"==
There's Crankcase's "Better to die a warrior's death than endure this ''mockery'' of life!" from "The Rise and Fall of the Decepticon Empire"... same theme. Usable? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say so. Look at the section, there are a bunch of em that are similar to "fight and die" but not 100% the same. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== What Order Should They Be Listed In? ==

Given that we're dealing with a short list, I'm not sure the Furmanisms necessarily need to be in alphabetical order. (It's also not a list people are going to be looking things up in. ''"Hey, I wonder if 'In for a penny, in for a pound' is a Furmanism? I better look under 'I' . . . "'')
Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
:Alphabetical order is better than arbitrary. Though if I had to pick a different ordering system, I'd suggest the order in which they first appeared in fiction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::The order I was trying to put them in was not (quite) arbitrary. It was an attempt to tell a story as if two characters were talking in nothing but Furmanisms. (E.g., "It can be destroyed!" as a response to "What chance do we have?") This is, admittedly, quirky, esoteric, and serves no purpose but The Funny, but I'm not certain alphabetical order serves ''any'' purpose besides "not arbitrary". [[User:JW|JW]] 15:24, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
::Or, we could list them in the order they appear in today's Shortpacked . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 11:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd much rather they be in an order that's accessible to others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, A) I was joking about Shortpacked. (By the way, keep up the good work.) And, B) a list of only ''ten'' items is accessible by default. It can be reviewed in seconds with a flick of the mouse. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
: I gotta say that I really liked having "IT NEVER ENDS" right next to "IT'S OVER - FINISHED!" [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 16:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Heck, if we change the header from "OVER -- FINISHED" to "IT IS OVER -- FINISHED", we can do that, and keep Walky happy. One of the sample quotes uses "it is over", and another two use "it's over", so this is quite justifiable. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Furman sound effects==
Should we do a Furman sound effects article to accompany this? I'd love to see the instances of 'FFN' :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:I was just thinking the other day that we should include "GNNGH". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for replying. I had forgotten about this given that everybody else (who are vastly more well-versed in the comics than I) evidently couldn't be bothered answering. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Sadly, Furman stopped using SPOOMS! once we started asking him in person to use them more. We apologize. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: A sound effects section should prolly be on this article. A steller example is Grimlock's Ff. Tt. Hf. etc. in the first ''The War Within''. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Why did he stop? Did he realize you guys were lightly mocking his 'isms'? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, what happened? I thought you guys LOVED Furman sound effects! If Furmanisms are good enough for catalogue, then sound effects should damn well be catalogued, too! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:How would we categorize these? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::As in the type of article or within the article itself? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Within this article. I'm sure every story has some sort of sound effects. Are there particular ones Furman uses more than others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::SPOOM!
::::Unfortunately, this sort of article would require the services of somebody like Walky and his friends who, as I understand, are great fans of Furman's sound effects and speech patterns. My own knowledge is painfully limited. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== Nemesis Pt 2 ==

as anyone checked Nemesis part 2 for Furmanisms? He did write it, after all. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno about Furmanisms, but the angry shouting-at-the-sky speech about Tigerhawk's death Primal has just outside their base is pretty damn Furmanesque. It's so awesome to see Furman material acted out. But no specific Furmanisms come to mind... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

==A STING in the tail!==
This one pops up when Pincer transforms in.... issue #63? And again in the Magnus Spotlight. Can we get a third, do I hear a third, third third third? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

"Oww! There's just one thing wrong with your little sage, Decepticon. You see, this story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Pincher, "Deadly Obsession" (''Transformers'' #64)

"And this little story has a '''sting in the tail!'''"

-Scorponok, ''Spotlight: Ultra Magnus''

"'''Sting in the tail''': The Dinobot called Snarl can transform into an armored stegosaurus. In battle, he swings his tail at the enemy."

-A brief description of Snarl in ''Transformers: The Ultimate Sticker Book'' (I'm sure [[Simon Furman|you know who]] had something to do with it!)

'''Jeff Steele'''

==He hesitates - and is LOST!==
"He hesitates - and is lost!" -- narrative box, UK #116
"It hesitated and lost EVERYTHING!" -- Dreadwind, UK #218

There's GOT to be one more of these.

== Time we weren't here ==

Hot Rod in Devastation #3, page 8.

This sounds vaguely familiar. Did it get used in Furman stories before? If yes, would it qualify for a Furmanism, or is it too generic?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:Having finally had the chance to read this issue I have to agree that line sounds very familiar, but I can't recall where from... And Nevermore, I think the way Furman says it is unique to him, I've never heard that type of phrase before he came about. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Having not yet read Devastation #3, I can say that it's VERY familiar to me as a Furmanism, and I'm 99% sure we could find three examples somewhere. "Time I wasn't here," perhaps. Thing is, he uses so much English colloquialism that I'm rarely ever sure if his phrases are HIS or just from his dialect. "On balance, I prefer...." "My advice to one and all..." I'm not sure where to draw the line, ultimately. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Who are we to play god?==
- "This is hopeless! How am I to decide who deserves life the most? Who am I to play god?" -- Optimus Prime, UK #250 {{storylink|The Greatest Gift of All!}}
 - Prime to Omega Supreme {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}
 - Doubleheader to Longtooth {{Storylink|Deadly Obsession}}
 - "Pray tell, Optimus Primal... how it feels to play GOD?" - Depth Charge {{storylink|Homecoming (issue)|Homecoming}}
:-- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::That one sounds like more of a genuine turn of phrase to me. If we can find many more than these three, I can be convinced it's an actual Furmanism, rather than just something people say. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It is a phrase people use- but I'm pretty sure Furman hits it heavily. It might be worth referencing ''if'' you can find some stock intro format he uses before it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Things Fall Apart==
I noticed this while flipping through the DK Ultimate Guide the other day, and it seemed vaugely familiar. Wasn't it used in some semi-recent IDW comic? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 13:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_%28poem%29 "The Second Coming" by Yeats] gets quoted in a lot of places. Since it's not original to Furman, I don't think we can count it as a Furmanism. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:: I am clearly a literary idiot. Thanks! ...then again, if "Reap The Whirlwind" counts, and that's not something Furman came up with himself, should we discount "Things Fall Apart" if more examples can be found? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 01:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Good question . . . let's first see if he does use "things fall apart" the requisite three times . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

==How many times?==
*"Again he has cheated death. A chance in a million has turned defeat into victory. How many more times, he wonders..." --Narration, [[The Harder They Die!]]
*"Curse you, Optimus Prime! How many times? How '''many?!'''" --Megatron, [[Under Fire!]]
*"How many, eh? HOw many have to '''die''' for you to get your jollies? '''HOW MANY?'''" --Ratchet, [[A Savage Circle]]
*"How many times did we both die... only to live again? A vicious cycle from which there seemed no escape." --Optimus Prime, [[New Dawn#"Tales of Earth Part Four"|Tales of Earth, Part Four]]
*"''Curse you'', Rodimus Prime -- ''how many times must I destroy you?''" -- Galvatron, [[Rhythms of Darkness!]]
For your consideration --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Heh. I like the... insistence of the third one, put into context with the rest. But I'd still actually vote against this. It's just a little too generic - to my sensibilities, anyway. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:: I was wondering, which is why I didn't throw it in automatically. Let's see what other people think, and maybe someone can dig up more of these to solidify it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
::: If we make it more specific and go with the "How many times? HOW MANY?" part, then I think we've got something. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 23:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==DEAD wrong!==
* "Urr...if you think we're beaten, Autobot -- you're ''dead'' wrong!" -- Bludgeon {{storylink|The Lesser Evil}}
: Isn't 'dead wrong' a pretty common phrase?--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, but not as a pun roughly translating to "you are wrong, and you are also dead." I haven't read the story in question, but it sounds like that's what he's saying. [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 02:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

==What do you think you're playing at?==
*"Uhn! Blast it, Backstreet! What're you playing at?" -- Dogfight, "[[Race with the Devil]]"
* "Whaddaya think you're playing at, Inferno?" -- Broadside, "[[Survivors!]]"
* "''What'' do you think" "you're playing at?" -- Doubleheader, "[[Whose Lifeforce Is It Anyway?]]"
* "''Hey!'' What are you playing at, ''Nightbeat''?" -- Kup, "[[The Pri¢e of Life!]]"
: Totally vouching for this one, it's one of my favorite Furmanisms. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==No! You're dead!==
* "No! Y-you were dead... I killed you!" -- Thunderwing, "[[The Big Shutdown!]]"
* "No! It - it ''can't'' be you... you're dead!" -- Ratchet, "[[Back from the Dead]]"
* "No! I saw you die, felt your ''aura'' leave its mortal remains! You were ''no more!''" -- Bludgeon, "[[End of the Road!]]"
* "YOU did this... but you're DEAD!" -- Dreadwind, "[[Race with the Devil]]" (cover)
* "No! It can't be you... you're dead!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]" (cover)
* "Nooo! You're - you're dead... ''dead!'' I saw you die!" -- Megatron, "[[Salvage!]]"

==Shattered Expectations==
Should there be some mention here about the reverse Furmanisms in the Shattered Expectations April Fools comic pages? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:26, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Power Beyond Measure==
* "Flee! Power beyond measure, this one has! His light--hurts!" --Demon, re: ActionMaster Grimlock
* "I offer you dark secrets, whispers from the timelost past; power--BEYOND MEASURE!" --The Fallen

Okay, the last one isn't an exact quote, but the Furmanism was definitely carried over. And I'm naggingly sure I've heard it much more often than that....--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

== INTO ITS MAW ==

I know this has been used in several instances. Laserbeak thrown into Slag's maw in [[Dinobot Hunt!]], Prime plunging the Matrix into Unicron's maw, that creature with the matrix energy in it's maw. Any others? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:If we end up using it, it should be "ITS MAW", not "IT'S MAW". Possessive, not contraction. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Agreed. Made a typo. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 01:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

== Putting our own house in order ==

I believe this one has been said enough times to qualify as one.
* Care to give us some examples, champ? [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:54, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

== Well and truly... ==

I think this qualifies. Furman's been hitting it really hard recently. I think we should starting collecting them!--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:26, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Movie adaptation ==

Got the ROTF Movie adaptation trade from Target the other day. There are no less than three Furmanisms in it, four if we decide to add "well and truly".

However, do you think we should wait to see if any of these lines are in the actual movie, and thus probably not originally not written by Furman? I doubt it, but I guess we should wait to see to be safe.

*"Done"? I fear, Major Lennox...that it NEVER ends!"- Optimus Prime

*"Hm. Don't recognize the make and model, but I know the form. Time I wasn't he- AAAARGHHH!"- Jetfire ALMOST gets it out

*"This world and all on it...shall die SCREAMING."- The Fallen

--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 10:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

== Not limited to just Furman? ==
In an issue of Anderson: Psi Judge (Posession, to be specific) from the Judge Dredd series, one of the characters used one of the popular Furmanisms. I checked, and the credits were by Alan Grant under the name R Clark. I'm not sure if this is worth a mention or not, and I'm not a contributor, so I'll just leave you guys with a link http://i25.tinypic.com/vql4is.png
:Thanks for pointing that out. It does bring up something I've wondered about in the past: Where's the line between "Furmanism" and "British colloquialism"? Or should we care at all? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:57, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::I'd say "well and truly" is a borderline case. It's just a popular idiom over here - 14,500,000 results from Google would seem to back this up - rather than a phrase Furman invented to make robots sound cool. Does that matter? Maybe, because I'm thinking that beyond the IDWverse, there's probably a million examples to be found in Marvel UK, if not Furman's US run. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 04:13, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

== NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE ==
* "DECEPTICONS- Let's hear the call... NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE!" --Headstrong. [[Stormbringer issue 4]]
* "No Mercy!" "No Limits!" "No one... GETS OUT ALIVE!" --various Predacons. [[The Ascending issue 4|''Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #4]]
* "That Said, However it goes... NO ONE gets out alive." -- Scorponok. [[Maximum Dinobots issue 3]]

No clue if this appears elsewhere, but it sounds like it should be a furmanism.--[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 15:37, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

yeah, fairly certain i've heard this elsewhere too.--[[Special:Contributions/68.9.60.113|68.9.60.113]] 16:23, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

== -- Just ran out! ==

* "Predacons. Whatever period of grace we might've had -- just ran out!" --Bonecrusher. [[The Gathering issue 4]]

Ran across this, and I know I've heard something like it before. Going to start looking. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 07:14, 24 December 2009 (EST)

::Ooh, um, Gen 2 #9, if recall correctly too. On the very last page. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 11:21, 24 December 2009 (EST)
==Fall Damn you, FALL!==
Seen said by Megatron in Armada Worlds Collide arc by Dreamwave in issue #16 and in One of the Beast Wars comics by IDW (I forget where I saw it now.) I also feel I've heard it somewhere else before..but I figured sense both were clearly by Furman, sounds like a Furmanism to me.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
::Eh, probably too generic. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 07:45, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:::It's a reference to ''something'', isn't it? (*feels stupid for not being able to recall off the top of her head*) Mowry uses it in TotF #6, too, and it sounds familiar somehow. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:12, 9 January 2010 (EST)

[[Image:Battleofautobotcity.jpg|left|180px|thumb]]Yeah....

"Out of the way, Hot Rod!" 
"Fall! FALL!" 
"I would've waited an eternity for this. It's over Prime." 
"NEVER!"

Little familiar... --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 12:07, 9 January 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, I remembered ''that'' bit, but I meant this specific variation I could swear got used outside of the comics, too. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:26, 9 January 2010 (EST)

::The Fall, Damn U Fall, was used by Magmatron to Grimlock in [[The Gathering]] issue 3 or 4. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:34, 9 January 2010 (EST)

== End of the Road! ==

* [[End of the Road! (UK)]]
* [[End of the Road! (US)]]
* Cover of [[A Rage in Heaven!]]
* Also, as noted on the UK page, he also used it for the last issue of ''Dragon's Claws''.

Seems like Furman rather liked using that phrase whenever he had a finale, and considering half the characters turn into road vehicles, it's rather appropriate. --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 16:53, 25 September 2010 (EDT)

== THE TRUE MEANING OF POWER ==

"It is time to '''educate''' you '''in ''the true meaning of power!'''''

Galvatron, [[Out of Time!]] (''Transformers'' #73)

"I will show Starscream, or whoever has control of the Warworld, ''the true '''meaning''' of power.''

Jhiaxus, [[Dark Shadows!]] (''Transformers: Generation 2'' #11)

[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 05:18, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Showdown!

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Lamborghinis '''do not''' have driveshafts. They are '''rear-engined''' cars. The Lamborghini depicted in ''Transformers'' #20 is erroneously shown to have a driveshaft (and a front engine).

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Jeff39042: /* Jim-Bob's Diner is indeed a reference to James Roberts */ new section

Will you please stop? You've been going in the same fucking circle for what, hours? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Movie Jolt vs Movie Jolt==
Sorry if the post about Jolt not being confused with the previously released Jolt wasn't a good one... Just thought it was sort of a unique case that should be addressed, what with there being two movie Jolts, and unlike the 2007 one which didn't appear in any movies and has since been changed to a different character, also not appearing in the movies, the new Jolt is in the movie. I know that's what disambiguation is for, but I just thought it was an interesting bit of trivia that a movie character's name was already used in the movieverse, though for a different character. (not including the whole movie Arcee thing) -Cliffjumper Prime

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Revert Revert ==

Slaggit! This is like, the fourth time this has happened to me. I SPECIFICALLY checked with a preview when I was about to make the reversion, and it did NOT tell me any edits had been made since I'd started mine. Apologies for the confusion and annoyance, but I am definitely not doing this on purpose...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No worries. I know it wasn't your fault. I'm pretty sure this happened to me at least once as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. That actually makes me feel a lot better about it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treatment==
Hey, it's not uploaded anywhere anymore (but Don Murphy has no issues with us handing it around). I can send you the PDF, but I need your email. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Nunchakus==
His name is "Michelangelo". :) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:My bad. Haven't watched TMNT since the original toon. And I was never into Renaissance art or whatever era the artist namesake was from. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Airazor caption ==

Hi. I was wondering what was wrong with the old caption for the Airazor photo.
:Essentially, there's nothing wrong with the toy so criticizing it like that is pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I didn't think the caption was meant as a criticism of the toy. I thought it was meant to point out that though she was designed as a female figure, she didn't really turn out looking any more female than any other Transformer (excluding Arcee and Thunderblast). But humor is subjective, and what I find somewhat funny might not seem funny at all to someone else.
:::Airazor was designed as a male figure. The toy/character only became female on the insistence of the show writers. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::::We're talking about the caption for the Transmetal figure. I thought that one was designed from the start to be female.
:::::... oh! Did not realize. Sorry. Ignore me. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Blurr ==

He is known to be a member, which should be enough, but he is also known to appear again later in the season, both through the footage from Dubai and the teasers released on the blog. That's why I said that I believed that it ws exception enough if he wasn't a member, it wouldn't need to be moved, but both together seem to be compelling enough.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at your talk page, anything Dubai-related ''should not'' be discussed here in any capacity. We are not gloryhounds like Seibertron trying to be the first ones to announce every single giant spoiler of every single piece of media. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's great, but that's not what I am trying to say. He was announced as a character a while ago, before Dubai, and on one of the creator blogs. He's known to be in the Elite Guard, and we even know who his American voice actor is. We've even had him make his first appearance. Dubai just confirmed an episode he reappears in. That's all I'm trying to say - that we know he's in the guard, and we have confirmation from various sources of a future appearance. Hell, that we've listed his voice actor should be confirmation enough.
::And I didn't make the edit to spread spoilers - I did it to add info to a wiki, when the info is confirmed. Yes, we should not be obsessed with news, but neither should we put blinders on and wait until info is months or years old. (Hyperbole, but you get my point)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Rabbicrater Edits ==

Just FYI, the edits HooperX made were capitalizing on the fact that Rabbicrater looks like his name contains the word "rabbi", when in fact it's meant to be most of the word "rabbit". The caption gag of "L'chaim" thus becomes more obvious, though I like the current one better. As for the miscellaneous trivia, I think it's an attempt at a callback to one of the final scenes from the Mel Brooks film ''History of the World, Part 1''. So not TOTAL nonsense.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, well I don't know much about Judaism so "L'chaim" is kind of flying over my head right now (and I believe even if explained, the Yaoi Kiss Players joke will still be funnier)... And the misc trivia, well History Of The World Part 1 is one of the Mel Brooks films I have not yet had the pleasure of watching... Even then, it's kind of out of place in the same paragraph as the info about the rabbit on the moon... if Hooper wants to bring it back I would suggest he add another asterisk paragraph to point it out... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::Long story short, a robot with the word "Rabbi" in his name, even if it actually has to do with "rabbit" is ripe for Judaism gags. "L'Chaim!" is a traditional exclamation of celebration. Originally, I was just gonna put the lyrics to Hava Nagila up there, but hey. The Kiss Players thing I had to stop and stare at - the two dudes humping are kind of cut out of the frame. But hey, whatever. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, "L'chaim" is a traditional Hebrew version of "Cheers!" and literally means "To life!" I'm up for ethnic humor as much as the <s>next</s> previous guy, but I still find the KP gag funnier in this case. The thought of "Hava Negila" lyrics as a caption does make me grin, though...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Real Gear hairdryer ==

Good you took that out for now, I was just too exited to post a unreleased toy for the Movie line, so I did not stop to check if it was real or not. I'm currently looking for more info on it and will put that back up once I found proof.
By the way, what do the read minus numbers next to your edit mean?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
-Edit, I fell for a joke! it was just a joke to take the piss of the US toy gun law.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Number of characters (letters and spaces) added or removed from the total article length by this edit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::....what? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Hi ==

I'm listening and I'm sorry [[User:Gyro-Robo|Gyro-Robo]] 22:43, 8 June 2008

== Mayhem Suppression Squad‎ ==

Hello ^^ I removed the [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]] from the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] members because [[:Category:Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] is already under [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]]. Just like [[Killbison]] only under [[:Category:Breastforce]] which is contained by Combiners, Decepticons, and Victory characters. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 00:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== 1989 Character Models ==
Howdy! I saw the Bumblebee & Jazz pretender models. Do you happen to have higher resolution versions of these images that you'd be willing to share with me? Do you have any more images from this era? (The Ark III needs your help!) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

== Drift ==

Fine, have it your way! This site could be something awesome for everybody, yet guys like you persist in making it a refuge for your snide insults and negativity. --[[User:Hutch|Hutch]] 03:47, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:If it helps... even some of us here think Detour takes the AHM-bashing to ridiculous extremes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:23, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Except a lot of what he yanked out was stuff not even written by me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:25, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Some of us are OK with desnarking the overly-snarked articles. Thankfully Rosicrucian just redid the removal. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, he yanked different parts, and rewrote another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:33, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
Man, just let it go. We're trying to make the trivia sections ''smaller'', y'know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

No! Much, much bigger! I'm good with keeping the Poochie theme for SL: Drift's page, but we really, really gotta get a reference to Rurouni Kenshin on a Drift image somewhere down the line! I can't imagine McCarthy not having Kenshin in some corner of his mind when he was creating Drift. "Oh man, he'll be an ex-assassin, with a dark past he regrets, and he carries a special sword! AWESOME!" --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 16:20, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism?==
Thanks for fixing my page, I appreciate it. Apparently Mr. Anon didn't take too kindly from me having to up and leave his little "discussion". People gotta go do other things besides argue with somebody on the other side of the computer all day. So do you know how severe punishment is for vandalizing someone's User Page?---[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:In this case, I'm inclined to believe it was a simple accident. The guy isn't really all that wiki savvy, and may have just clicked on your sig and thought it was your talkpage. He's... well, I don't hold any illusions he's going to be a productive user here, but he's on a dynamic IP and isn't outright harmful so I'm not sure what a block would accomplish.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::True, I didn't take that into account. I tend to jump to the vandalism claim (or any claim honestly) a little too gung-ho sometimes, and this is one of those times.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:27, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::S'okay. I mean, I'd be lying if I said my cursor didn't hover over the block button on him while I thought about it. Trouble is his two IPs so far don't even seem to share a common subnet, so even an IP range ban wouldn't be viable. If he becomes genuinely abusive lemme know and I'd be happy to play whack-a-mole with his IPs.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm new here. Won't happen again, trust me.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 20:59, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

*Z-z-zay, is it no vandalism to undo the another's additionz-z-z-z without any explanation? What's wrong with z-z-z-z-them?--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 01:11, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:They didn't make any sense. You should stick to adding to the synopsis/etc. because your English seems to slip right down to nonsensical when you do captions. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:47, 1 December 2009 (EST)

==Barricade ROTF DS game==
Why instand of deleting it why dont you fix all my misspelling i have the game and all barricade parts are true.--[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:So... the burden is on ''us'' to fix what you write?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because neither I nor anyone else on the wiki is your personal spellchecker. If you want your edits to stick, put some effort into it and that includes using proper English. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one ==

"The identity of ze little one is a bit on the fraught side. In the flyover shot of the barge on which the four Constructicons sit, a red bulldozer (Rampage), a concrete mixer (Mixmaster), a dump truck (Long Haul) and a yellow front-end loader are visible. The yellow front-end loader is the alternate mode of the Constructicon Scrapper, and ze little one's robot mode appears to be the same as Scrapper's. As such, the temptation to just consider this a Scrapper unit is great... except that, after the flyover shot, the yellow loader disappears, and is replaced with a yellow Volvo excavator, clearly marked with a large Decepticon insignia. For the purposes of reducing headaches, we're assuming that the excavator is the "correct" vehicle mode, and that it just happens to transform into a robot mode that resembles Scrapper...even though it's not him. "

I wasn't aware of the decision that had reached on the "Ze little one" page, so I didn't realize that this was the reasoning being used. I can agree with this, and I'm sorry the discussion got so hostile. Have a great week.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:30, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== SG Ark & SG Nemesis ==

I'd just have Derik's bot fix those links along with the rest. I only fixed the others because there was about 2-3 links each instead of the 60+ for those two pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks for giving me my username==

Seriously best alias ever [[User:Potty Mouth Anon|Potty Mouth Anon]] 01:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

== TFA: S.P.'s amnesia ==

You completely sure about that? Seemed like a kind of joke to me - Wasp going through this whole list of humiliation and Sentinel denying it while keeping a straight face.
EDIT: sorry for double posting, my browser's acting a little strange [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:26, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Except Sentinel finishes the scene by saying "Wait a minute, that was you?" He genuinely doesn't remember, only recalling it then and there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:27, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oookay, my bad. Seems like his ego is powerful enough to erase memories of minor, non-significant beings like Wasp, Bee or Bulky... [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:45, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Deaths of Optimus Prime "fanon"==
That... wasn't fanon. It was more awkwardly phrased, but consistent with how it was portrayed in the episode. Aerialbots even say, to my recollection, that there are "others at the hanger." Elita-1 was rebuilt. Dion wasn't mentioned. What part of that is fanon, and why did that give you the right to allcaps that dude into submission for it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well it explicitly said in the anon guy's contribution way back there that "Ariel and Dion were also rebuilt" (followed by an awkward parenthesis saying Ariel at least). Plus, the episode itself is awkwardly phrased... Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel" as though he actually meant to say "there's another one back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel". After Orion is rebuilt as Prime, there's no concern for any "others" and they only speak of Ariel, whom Alpha Trion says he'll "send droids out for". No mention at all that he'd rebuild other casualties of the hangar massacre. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::Another interpretation: Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, [for example] his girlfriend Ariel." Otherwise, he's not being correct when he says there are "otherS" there. Plural. I'm not saying that Alpha Trion rebuilt anybody other than Prime and Elita, or that we have any evidence thereof. I'm saying what the guy wrote, in that particular revision, was technically correct. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The ''best'' kind of correct. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:06, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

== the Peter Cullen photo. ==

I know the person who is in that picture. I thought it would be fun depicting him being the nice guy that he is. If you want me to identify where I got the image from, I can link you right to the source. [[User:Unicron|Unicron]] 02:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== editing ==

sorry about the starscream page, but did you really have to edit out '''''everything''''' I did? [[User:Masterman555|Masterman555]] 22:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well, yeah. You screwed up the formatting and the order of figures in the toy section, messed with captions and changed all the thumbnails to ungodly huge sizes. It's pretty standard procedure to undo that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Robot Heroes Thrust eyes==
Thank you for correcting that, I just took an even closer look to the toy and realized I had made a mistake.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:39, 12 November 2009 (EST)

== IDW ==

Oh come on, dude. We can take the piss out of IDW sometimes, but that last edit was a bit much.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:43, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:Not even my words there. But like a lot have said... Continuum is pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. And really, their own page needs a dose of piss-taking-out too, no matter how slight. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:46, 12 November 2009 (EST)
What Rosi said. No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:52, 12 November 2009 (EST)

==British English spellings==
Please read [[Help:Style_guide#National_varieties_of_English]], it mentions guidelines to spelling that may help you. As Club material is published by a company based in Texas, I went with the American English. Keep British English spelling in the UK articles. [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 10:06, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Captions==
Detour, He-l-en has been contributing to the Armada episode articles in a generally positive manner. Please stop reverting her caption changes. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:27, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:Positive, yes, but thus far little more than minor summary changes in Armada... followed by large doses of captioning. I'll lay off since you asked me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:01, 29 November 2009 (EST) (I can still change his captions to different ones if I come up with better ones, though, right?)
::I am trying to handle the situation in a delicate manner; He-l-en is both a new user and someone whose first language is not English, so we cannot immediately expect her to know every facet of our policy right away. Reverting a person's edits without telling them why is not a good way to grow new users. I'm just trying to be courteous. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:15, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::Well, it's not like we don't always revert people who aren't doing anything but changing captions. He-l-en is at least also contributing a little bit of info, but we still generally tell people to leave the captions alone when they're new and just worry about adding actual info to the articles. (And it's not like we don't have plenty of Help guides available to read, either...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:20, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::::''We'' know we change people's captions back, yes, but I am inclined to be more lenient to someone who has only been around for two days... hrm. Actually, I am inspired. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:57, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::::His English seems to have landslided down to "nonsensical" once he started editing captions... Can I revert those, at least? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Sideways Part-swapping pics ==

Detour-
I do have pics of the part-swapped Sideways, however I am not sure how to upload them to the Wiki and add them to the page. If you'd like, I can e-mail them to you if you PM Ultrawave over at TFW2005 (that is my account). Unless there is another way to upload them that I am not aware of? [[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 04:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Made a Photobucket and uploaded my pic to satisfy your curiousity-- [http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af279/Blitzgear/DSCN0897.jpg] =)[[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 18:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Sari Edit ==
why did you edit my addition to the page? what i typed was factual. --[[User:0utrun|0utrun]] 23:16, 30 December 2009 (EST)

== Blackarachnia "hit it with a shovel" joke ==

Why do you deem it so important to take the joke out? It works, it fills an empty caption space, so why? Seriously, Why? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:09, 6 January 2010 (EST)

== Lockdown's position as a bounty hunter. ==

This isn't something like revealing the gimmicks to a toy or an electronic voice, or even a street date. It's no secret that the ROTF figure is based off a "bounty hunter", you've seen the card say he's a "bounty hunter" regardless if it isn't officially released, is the addition of a category "Bounty Hunter" seriously enough to get you this unnecessarily riled up? It's not like I'm saying something like he's an Autobot sympathizer or something. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:20, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==Captions==
No one appointed '''you''' the master of captioning. You're acting like a goddamn jackboot, so take a time-out. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:59, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==My Grammar==
Well i going to tell you why i have bad grammar, i have good grammar BUT i type so freaking Fast in result i make typos, Aslo there some words that i cant spell, aslo i try to slow down but then i start to write fast again -Eagc7
: Then either slow down enough so you can write competently, or don't write at all so we don't spend so much time cleaning up your amazingly-sized mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:38, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Why did you remove my edit? ==

The article discusses fanfiction, so I named two common pairings as an example. It seemed relevant. [[User:CH|CH]] 16:25, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Because the fandom is so large, fragmented and clique-esque that there's really no way to measure what's relevant/common unless it's completely widespread, as in to the point that even average fans that don't read fanfic are familiar with the concepts used. Megatron/Starscream pairings probably predate Beast Wars itself, Starscream/Alexis was a freakin' epidemic for a time. Those are somewhat "worthy" of mention (in a squicky infamous way). Prime/Mikaela and Bumblebee/Sam, however? Although I'm not shocked they exist, I don't believe the average fans would know for certain that they do. And it isn't really quite as notable (again, Starscream/Alexis being an epidemic), no more than hypothetical pairings like Cheetor/Una or Sky-Byte/Koji.. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:37, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::''Friend of Autobots''
::''Sometimes he talks to me too''
::''My spark fills with joy'' --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Right..... ==

[http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Beast_Machines_(cartoon)&curid=15&diff=430695&oldid=430694 What was that weird edit summary all about?] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:56, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Look at your keyboard, and look at each letter to the left of the letter I typed. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:12, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::It seems we use very different keyboards. All I'm getting is gibberish. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:32, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::It says "something's wrong with my eyes," okay? Big hairy deal. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== Double dash template ==
Works just 100% fine on Opera and in Firefox and in IE7, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. The whole purpose it was created was to clear things without creating gaps above the headers. So stop changing it every time I fix the formatting, as you're driving me insane and I'm going to start reverting you every time you do it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:48, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Well it doesn't work on me in neither IE nor Firefox. So clearly the coding for it must be flawed somehow. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::IIRC, you're one of the folks using IE6, aren't you? That would explain that part, if so. As for Firefox, it works fine on Firefox for me, so I just don't know what you're talking about there. (I also checked IE7 and it works fine there as well...)
::But in any case, bring it up with Derik to fix any problems rather than constantly removing it, considering the whole reason the template exists to begin with is to solve an issue folks used to be griping about. About the only issue I've ever had is that there has to be no line return space between the dash template and the following header, but that's easily tweaked while editing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, I'm one of the five people on Earth still using IE6. I like the button layout better, sue me. But I do have Firefox 3.5.6 and <nowiki>{{--}}</nowiki> does the same amount of jack squattage. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::You do realize button layouts are easily changed in most browsers, yes? (And I'd think lots of broken sites with missing features would be a bigger annoyance... having to surf using IE6 at one of my jobs last year was downright painful, it's missing so many useful standards.)
::::But, like I said, never had issues with FF at all. And even if there are, again, have Derik tweak the CSS, rather than unfixing the formatting fixes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:13, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== *sigh* "first edit ever" ==

fact is I've been editing over the years and adding useful tid bits here and there, but the wiki just can't seem to hold a proper account. so I start a new and get treated like a punk. gratitude for ya.

And yeah, the tone really isn't to my liking. Derek J Wyatt puts down Beachcomber and everyone treats it as canon that the character is not well liked. well I like him! And think the article should be more even handed.

So tell me, how am I supposed to get started here? I can't edit "the funny" as I've been told the last time I tried a permanent account, I can't help to rewrite an article, what do you want from me? When to I earn the right to call out the Beach Comber page for being offensive? --[[User:Stly92|Stly92]] 01:15, March 18, 2010 (EST)

== Jim-Bob's Diner is indeed a reference to James Roberts ==

[[Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Jim-Bob's Diner]] is, in fact, a reference to ''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' co-writer [[James Roberts]]. Nick Roche said it himself [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=161572#161572]. (At first, '''I''' thought--and was '''very sure'''--it was a reference to '''Jim''' Salicrup and '''Bob''' Budiansky.)

[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 19:40, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

Maximum Dinobots issue 2

2010-03-31T03:08:54Z

Jeff39042: /* Synopsis */

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|seriesissue=[[Maximum Dinobots|''The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots'']] #2
|prev=Maximum Dinobots issue 1
|next=Maximum Dinobots issue 3
|image=MaximumDinobots 2b.jpg
|caption=It is now believed ''Triceratops'' saw more action against other members of its kind than against ''T. rex''. Slag clearly disagrees.
|publisher=IDW Publishing
|date=[[January 7]], [[2009]]
|coverdate=January 2009
|written by=[[Simon Furman]]
|art by=[[Nick Roche]]
|colors by=[[Josh Burcham]]
|letters by=[[Chris Mowry]]
|edits by=[[Denton J. Tipton]]
|continuity=[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[IDW timeline#Maximum Dinobots|Maximum Dinobots]]
}}
'''Hot Rod joins Grimlock in finding out just how much worse it can get.'''

== Synopsis ==
A badly battered Hot Rod is hurled against a wall by Scorponok, who gloats that he is merely playing with the young warrior as he wants him alive to witness his plan unfold. After crippling Hot Rod, Scorponok has his clones take him to an observation room showing him the situation in [[Fallon]]. The police have opened fire on Grimlock but all they've done is enrage him. After demolishing the immediate area, Grimlock calls out to Scorponok, letting him know he's fully aware of exactly what's going on. Transforming he tells Scorponok to [[Robert Epps|bring it]]! Scorponok muses, reminding himself of the mind lurking beneath Grimlock's bestial nature. After a brief bit of explanation to Hot Rod, Scorponok sits back to enjoy the show as the Dynobots are released onto the field.

Near [[Nashville]], Sunstreaker is flooring it, heading for [[Dallas]]. Hunter thinks they should head for Fallon instead, but Sunstreaker points out that by retrieving his head, they disable the Headmasters, which makes everything else just collateral damage.

Grimlock is ready for a fight. What he isn't ready for is the Dynobots bursting through some nearby buildings. Scorponok loosens his hold on them slightly to let a bit of their savage nature shine through, as Grimlock realizes they are no longer in control of their own actions. Meanwhile, police are prevented from calling in help thanks to [[Skywatch]]'s blockade. Agent Red is updated on the fight, including the drop in the efficiency of the neural net. Understanding that something more is going on, he boards a chopper, ready to do something he should have done the moment they lost Grimlock.

Back in Fallon, Grimlock is trying to get through to his team as they slam him into a nearby building. Breaking free, he quickly takes out Snarl, Sludge and Swoop, but when he tries to get to Slag, he is blasted straight into a petrol station, which promptly explodes, knocking all five Dynobots flying. As the police check to make sure everyone is evacuated, Scorponok revels in the destruction, to Hot Rod's disappointment. Scorponok however, thinks it is a ploy to get him to tell all, a wasted one as he meant to anyway. He plans to place the blame on Skywatch, while using the Dynobots to take out Grimlock, and then using the Headmasters to take out the Dynobots. His team will be regarded as heroes, he will get government contracts in order to protect against aliens, and from there on, there's no stopping him.

In [[New Zealand]], a ship touches down near the ''[[Skyfire (ship)|Skyfire]]''. The [[Monsterbot|occupants]] are looking for Grimlock, and intend to track him down.

Scorponok is intrigued by Grimlock's admittance of guilt and reduces his hold on the Dynobots enough for their personalities to surface. Meanwhile, Grimlock has recovered from the blast and detects a human caught in the fire. Transforming, he grudgingly goes to help, when Slag and company, now transformed, reappear and demand the truth. Grimlock tells them of his endgame move, but says it was something any of them would have done—Dynobots may be down, but never out. Slag agrees but says that by going behind their backs, Grimlock assured they ceased to be a team. Grimlock points out that Slag usually went out of his way to stress they were never a real team, that they followed no one's rules or conventions but their own, and that what Grimlock had done had been "them", all over. He proceeds to rip the [[James Roberts|rail car diner]] with the human trapped inside from the ground and takes it to safety. Amused, Scorponok sends in his Headmasters.

At [[Salt Lake City]], Agent Red decides to have a heart to heart with the last of the Eureka Six: Shockwave!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (1)
* [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (4)
* [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (5)
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (6)
* [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (8)
* [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (9)
* [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (10)
* [[Repugnus (G1)|Repugnus]] (12)
* [[Doublecross]] (13)
* [[Grotusque]] (14)

|c2=
* [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] (2)
* [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (15)
|c3=
* [[Hunter O'Nion]] (7)
* [[Joshua Red]] (11)
|c4=
* [[Sunstreaker clone]]s (3)
}}

==Quotes==
"It's easy to forget that behind Grimlock's angry white noise lurks a brain. '''He understands'''. 
"Which is more than '''I''' can say. What '''is''' the Machination? 
"It is the culmination of a plan conceived long ago and far away. On a planet called [[Nebulos]], if you're interested." 
"I'm not." 
"Hn."
:—'''Scorponok''' gets cruelly denied the chance to Bad Guy Monologue by '''Hot Rod'''

"Tell me something. If all hell's about to break loose in Fallon, why are we headed to '''Dallas'''? Shouldn't we be '''doing''' something about these Dinobots?" 
"It's Dynobots. D-Y-" 
"Dinobots. Like dinosaurs. You see that, right? Work with me here, Sunstreaker."
:—'''Hunter''' and '''Sunstreaker''' discuss the finer points of helping the audience keep all of the alternate spellings straight

"Remember when we first hit on the idea of the Dynobots, you and I? You said there's only one rule: there ''are'' no rules! No conventions, no precedents, no company line. What [[Spotlight: Shockwave|I ''did'']], in the final analysis, was so completely and utterly "us"." 
:—'''Grimlock''' justifies orbit-nuking his mates

"Now if you'll ''excuse'' me, I feel curiously ''obligated'' to put this lackluster lifeform out of harm's way." 
:—'''Grimlock''', not quite feeling like himself.

== Errors ==
* A Fallon resident on Furman's blog has said that the real town looks nothing like it does here. But he also encourages Furman to smash the town up more because it's a "craphole", so never mind! <ref>http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/max-load/#comment-4062 "WeeklyHero": "...but being a citizen of Fallon, NV, I gotta say it looks nothing liek ''[sic]'' the comic does. Which is a shame because I’d rather have the big parks there. So destroy the town, I’m glad to see it get the recognition that craphole deserves."</ref>
* Grimlock and Slag met in a brig during the war... while being team-mates years before in illegal gladiatorial matches. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3}}

== Items of note ==
* The Dinobots' more realistic dinosaur forms, and the resulting look of their robot modes, is a deliberate attempt by Nick Roche to give them a [[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]] aesthetic.<ref>http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=5196&start=237#117726 Nick Roche: "Back when they reformatted themselves for Earth combat in Spotlight: Shockwave, the script that Simon left on my doorsteo ''[sic]'' (aflame, and smeared in what I hope was animal excrement) said to reimagine the Dinobots as if they were Beast Wars characters. So rather than just apply this aesthetic to their alt-modes, I utilised it across the board, and gave them robot modes that were less G1, and more Beast Era."</ref>
* Based on Joshua Red's dialogue, Shockwave has been online for some time.
* Hunter's conversation with Sunstreaker about the spelling of "Dinobots" (quoted above) would make no sense spoken aloud, unless "Dynobots" is pronounced 'Deenobots' or something similarly outlandish. Perhaps their mental link accounts for this, but that would mean that Hunter spells his words as he says them. He ''is'' a strange guy.
* This issue was delayed in many markets, finally arriving on February 25, a week ''after'' issue 3.

===Covers (3)===
{{picsneeded|RI Cover}}
* '''Cover A:''' The Dynobots walking away from a dejected-looking Grimlock, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
* '''Cover B:''' Grimlock fighting with Slag, by [[Marcelo Matere]] and [[Priscilla Tramontano]]
* '''Cover RI:''' Inks-only and text-free version of cover A
<gallery>
Image:Maximum_Dinobots_2a.jpg|Me, Grimlock am lonely
Image:MaximumDinobots_2b.jpg|Slag warms Grimlock's heart
Image:MaximumDinobots 2ri.jpg|RI cover
</gallery>

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==References==
{{Reflist|2}}

==External Links==
* [http://gs100.photobucket.com/groups/m26/GU5E99BGYG/ Nick Roche's gallery of the inks-only pages]

[[Category:IDW Generation 1 issues]]

Talk:Maximum Dinobots issue 2

2009-07-26T03:51:28Z

Jeff39042: /* I thought of 'Jim-Bob' as a reference to Jim Salicrup and Bob Budiansky--NOT as a first name */ new section

= Jim-Bob's Diner =
Jim-Bob's Diner (seen in ''Maximum Dinobots'' #2) is a reference to '''Jim''' [[Jim Salicrup|Salicrup]] and '''Bob''' [[Bob Budiansky|Budiansky]].
Jeff Steele "Jeff39042"
:And what is your reference? Jim Bob is also just a stereotypical southern name. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 02:09, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== I thought of 'Jim-Bob' as a reference to Jim Salicrup and Bob Budiansky--NOT as a first name ==

'''Jim''' Salicrup and '''Bob''' Budiansky were instrumental to Marvel's ''Transformers'' series (and its spinoffs) of the '80s.

Jim Salicrup wrote ''Transformers'' #2-4 (1984) and edited ''Transformers Universe'' #1-4 (1986).

Bob Budiansky edited ''Transformers'' #1-4 (1984); wrote ''Transformers'' #5-15, 17-32, 35-42 and 44-55 (1984-1989); edited ''Transformers Universe'' #1-4 and ''Transformers: The Movie'' #1-3 (1986), drew the covers of ''Transformers'' #14, 29, 31, 45 and 47; and co-penciled ''Transformers'' #55.

--[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 23:51, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Maximum Dinobots issue 2

2009-07-22T00:58:26Z

Jeff39042: New page: = Jim-Bob's Diner = Jim-Bob's Diner (seen in ''Maximum Dinobots'' #2) is a reference to '''Jim''' Salicrup and '''Bob''' Budiansky. Jeff Steele "Jeff39042"

= Jim-Bob's Diner =
Jim-Bob's Diner (seen in ''Maximum Dinobots'' #2) is a reference to [['''Jim''' Salicrup]] and [['''Bob''' Budiansky]].

Jeff Steele "Jeff39042"