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== Press release or logo for 30,000 articles? ==
Is it worth putting something together as we get very very close? Maybe something like:
* 3 from Thrilling 30 logo
* 0 from the 40th logo
* 0 from the Vector Sigma "Featured" logo
* 0 from the cosmic-streaking O in the TFTM opener
* 0 from GO!

Just a suggestion.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:45, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:If we wanted to go down that route, maybe tie into some of the contemporary material? Say, the "O"s from [[Energon Universe]] or [[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: Evolution|Evolution]]? (Though the latter isn't exactly straight-on...) --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:38, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::Sure! I lean towards the Energon Universe choice. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:48, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:Apologies, I've corrected the count on the main page as it was inaccurate, so we're not as close as it looked like we were. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:20, 10 November 2023 (EST)
::That just means we have more time to decide and, if so, pull things together. :) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:51, 10 November 2023 (EST)
:::Feels like we just leapt up 40 new articles in the last 2-3 days. Is it worth putting a graphic together? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:47, 18 January 2024 (EST)

=="Multi-pack" vs "gift set" and suchlike==
Incoming semantics, but... as I've been going through the toy entries, been trying to standardize/streamline a lot of stuff, and I think maybe a set of consistent terms/definitions for "a bunch of separate toys packed together" is in order. So lemme throw this out here for discussion/future reference...
*'''Multi-pack''' — A pack of toys where the contents (or at least most/some/any of them) are exclusive to this release, not sold in other packaging. Most multi-toy releases nowadays would fall under this umbrella by default.
*'''Gift set''' — A pack of toys where all of the contents are/were concurrently (or close enough) sold individually as well, without changes, in the same market. Like all the various G1 combiner sets.
The latter brings up the question of if we want to label all the Takara "VS" packs and the various UT-era "VALUE PACK!" sets under that umbrella, which I'm ambivalent-to-marginally-in-favor-of over. Especially as Takara's been putting out new "VS" packs where the toys are new decos not available elsewhere... also we kinda made up the "VS pack" term anyway, as memory serves, so. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:Hasbro has used the word "[[Giftset]]" to refer to unique variants not available separately. I'm inclined to think we shouldn't directly contradict that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:21, 8 January 2024 (EST)
::and damn but does that article need updating. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:22, 8 January 2024 (EST)
:::I'm inclined to think that Hasbro uses lots of terms in ways that are not exactly conducive to organizing a wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 8 January 2024 (EST)

==More bullet point insignia?==
Okay so... I recall there were some other possible faction symbol bullet points we could maybe use. I ran across a few with this batch of toy pics we might consider adding. I'll list them here, see if people can think of more. I feel like there might be a couple more two-faction matchups out there.
* Rescue Bots
* The various BotBots squads
* My First Transformers

I'm not un-convinced that we should have the bespoke insignia for stuff like the Disney Label, since they do use them on the packaging. So uh... there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:51, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:Also, while looking at the list of all the bullets on the template page... maybe we should see if we can split the list up a smidge? Like, put all the mutli-faction icons in one section, a section just for BotBots since there's gonna be quite a few of them? Alphabetizing them might also be in order. (I have exactly zero idea how those templates are coded, so uh, lemme know if that's doable.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:42, 13 January 2024 (EST)
::There's also the [[Star Wars Transformers]]... though I'm not sure if using ''Star Wars'' insignia falls too much out of this wiki's scope, although we do use at least use them on the actual characters' pages (see [[Darth Vader]]). [[User:Turborun|Turborun]] ([[User talk:Turborun|talk]]) 10:34, 13 January 2024 (EST)
:::I don't think we'd use SW insignia because, near as I can tell, the toy packaging doesn't mark the toys that way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:27, 14 January 2024 (EST)

== Idea for reducing the size of toy sections by compacting unchanged toy entries ==

I've come up with an idea that I think would make toy sections on character pages a little better and more intuitive. Instead of having a long list of entries for multiple releases of the exact same toy completely unchanged, we could just compact them all in a single entry, describing how the toy was available both individually and unchanged in a bunch of multipacks. This could be especially helpful with toy sections that are way too long, such as both the Movie Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toy pages that have been subject to a lot of discussion already.

[[User:Fritz/Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|I used the 2007 Legends Class section of the Movie Optimus Prime toy page to make a quick example out of it.]] The entries would be reduced from four to two toys, since 3/4 of them are the same toy anyway, and a lot of white space would be removed. As for the images of the multipacks, I don't think we would be losing much in removing them since the wiki has never prioritized images of packagings for anything really and, as I know is written somewhere in the "rules", the wiki isn't supposed to be used as an image hosting website in the first place.

So, any thoughts? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:18, 20 January 2024 (EST)
: We used to do this and it was actually kind of worse. There's also complications when unchanged toys end up being sold under different franchise headers, and when you add in all the other bullet point data a toy/set might have, you could end up with a lonnnnng list of bullet points before you get to the actual writeup, plus describing the multi-packs' contents... you're not really saving space while also kinda hurting the demi-chronological flow of the information. And deleting the multi-pack package imagery feels very wrong. It's one of those cases where there's no real ideal situation, but there's a least-bad one.
:That said, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to make sure the first entry mentions these "repacks" alongside the redecoes and links to the relevant items. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)
::Good points, as usual. Now that you mentioned it, I think I do have a vague memory of this being done in the past. I was going to suggest the repacks from different toylines should remain separate, though. My mentality was that maybe we could have a way to highlight the "main" releases (original and redecoes/retools) from the "minor" ones (unchanged repacks) to make it easier to identify in a glance how many actually-different toys were released within a toyline, but I wouldn't want it to cause ''more'' confusion than ''less''. Anyway thanks for taking the time to evaluate the idea. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 05:54, 22 January 2024 (EST)

==Repurposings, continuity transplants, and using Template:Main/Template:See to improve navigability==
I've gone back to the drawing board to come up with a way to signal to readers where closely-related pages exist, as I don't think [[Help:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] pages are enough and have found [[Template:OtherVersions]] to be unideal. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Proposal re: G1 pages|Previously]], I'd suggested merging a bunch of pages for so-called "[[Continuity family|continuity]] transplants", but other users convinced me this would be a poor solution. One alternative suggestion, from [[User:Broadside]], was to use [[Template:Main]] to put key links to a character's appearances in other continuity families directly in the fiction section—[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Handling of "former GoBots" and "former Diaclone" characters on the wiki|reactions at the time]] were neutral-positive. You can see mockups for [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. This strikes me as the best of both worlds, because it keeps the consistent schema (which helps for page length and organisation) but also puts a link to the information in the place where your typical reader is expecting to find it (on the page for the highest-profile first incarnation of the character).

With the same philosophy in mind, I've also designed two new templates. The first, [[Template:Toyappeared]], is intended for use in toy write-ups as a way of linking to fiction write-ups and character pages. It covers [[repurposing]]s, "continuity transplants", notable instances of [[Show-accuracy|toy-accuracy]], in-fiction [[Reformatting|powerups]], [[Redeco#"Virtual" redecos|"virtual" redecos]], you name it. Toy write-ups are increasingly being duplicated across multiple character pages, which creates maintenance overhead, as both instances must be manually kept in sync. My suggestion is to use [[Template:See]] to link to the full information regarding a toy on the original page, with the repurposed instance giving only brief information of what the toy is and ''why'' it was repurposed or whatever. The second of my new templates has a much more specific intended use case: [[Template:Bwucharacter]] provides an easy way of explaining how/why a character was reinterpreted for their ''Uprising'' appearance, as ''Uprising'' accounts for most of the situations I view as being problematic.

I realise I'm proposing like five things at once here, so [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing|my sandbox]] has [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing#Full example|a full example]] demonstrating how it all works together, along with tons of individual examples of the templates' usage and a more thorough explanation of what I'm trying to address with them. Take a look, and let me know which aspects you like, which parts you don't like, or any ideas you have to add! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:24, 12 February 2024 (EST)
:I can vouch for these templates! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 15:38, 26 February 2024 (EST)
: I'm seeing a lot of problems with the implementation of some of this, and a lot of future headaches. The ones rolled out put what look like stub headers in a fiction section with just a small normal missable note up top; and in Override's case in specific, multiple stubs with completely redundant information. What this is ''going'' to do is get new people thinking that these are missing information that needs to be filled, then we gotta revert it and tell them no all that goes elsewhere, which is utterly unintuitive and will just lead to arguments and headaches all around.
: As for toys, in the instances of BWU-type stuff where it's a one-toy Mini-Con or whatever, I feel like NOT having the actual toy info for them on the BWU page, as with the Mini-Con Snow Cat toy currently, is not doing the reader any favors. Quite the opposite. Why are we making them jump to a different page for information that has no reason to not be right there? I don't like making readers jump through hoops needlessly, and that's all this feels like. And it's not like the toy sections of most of these are gonna see major changes, so lack of cross-updating is very, very, very unlikely to be an issue.
: I really don't think these require new templates and a bunch of new-editor landmines. At most, there's a decent argument to be made for re-positioning the "you look familiar" template that already exists, maybe below the main character writeup (above feels like a bad layout choice, pushing all kinds of stuff down.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:11, 28 February 2024 (EST)

== Listings and accessories ==

When I was making the description for cannonball based on the Walmart listing, there was mention of a Gatling gun and hammer not shown in the stock images,and left them out.

If I run into this type of situation again, what do I do?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 10:56, 7 March 2024 (EST)

== A few suggestions ==

Gallery pages should only include images that aren't easily accessed by going to the main page, to avoid cluttering. I guess this is not an issue now since the current gallery pages are fairly short.

There should be more dedication in listing alt-modes of characters. Maybe there should be a header or something. For example, if the Dreamwave version of [[Sunstorm (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Sunstorm]] transforms into an F-16 jet, it should be listed in the beginning with a header for the sake of easy access to the said information.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:59, 17 March 2024 (EDT)

== Will we get an article on The Masked Singer? ==

Will there be an article on TFWiki about The Masked Singer, specifically their recent "Transformers Night" episode (https://the-masked-singer.fandom.com/wiki/Transformers_Night)? --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 20:01, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

: Assuming it's a licensed appearance (I can't check the credits myself :C ), I can't think why it wouldn't be [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 21:15, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

:: It was indeed licensed. --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 22:30, 12 April 2024 (EDT)
:::Yes, as an official Hasbro-sanctioned piece of TF media, the episode does meet our requirements for inclusion. It just needs someone to write it up. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:22, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

== Franchise articles ==
So I was looking at the franchise pages to try and get an idea of what the standard is supposed to be for how they are written. Should all of them be updated to be more like the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)]] article? What was making me wonder this was that on the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)]] article it had a section for "Homages" and one for "New characters" which I don't think any other franchise article has. --[[User:1levichurch|1levichurch]] ([[User talk:1levichurch||talk]]) 22:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

== AI upscaled images ==
With fresh offsite talks about the matter, I put forth we add an official policy against posting AI upscaled images of any kind to the wiki, owing to their subpar performance in "enhancing" the quality of images. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:52, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
:Agreed. It's literally faking information and presenting it as official. (Also often noticeably terrible.) Sometimes the best quality available of something sucks, but we simply have to deal. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2024 (EDT)
::100 percent agreed. It's called "artificial" for a reason. Plenty of details would be lost out through the upscaling, and several times errors on the wiki somehow became official through Hastak using the wiki for references (the whole [[Circular reporting]] thing). If we start allowing AI upscaled images, then we're likely to have things lost to the annals of time. Potato quality is better than lost quality[[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 00:11, 2 May 2024 (EDT)
: Sure. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:43, 2 May 2024 (EDT)

== Ending addition of high-end statues ==
This is something I doubt other people have noticed, but I'm putting down a tent-peg on it: After having built the entries for dozens of high-end collectable TF statues in the last 2-3 years, from firms like Diamond Select, Imaginarium, Azure Sea, XM Studios, etc., and then seeing most of them either officially cancelled or never spoken of again with no reported purchases, I am going to stop adding such items here. If someone else feels like cataloguing them, great.

It really may not be possible for us to keep up with toy-like non-transforming merchandise (figurines and statues) the way we used to. There are at least two ''released'' series of G1 core cast micro-figurines with micro-comics and magnifying glasses, which would have been the rage of the fandom in 2005, that nobody ever got around to adding, and it feels like too much of a chore for me to start. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:35, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
: It's an unfortunate but very real thing that once you enter the world of licensed merch, we're ''gonna'' have big gaps. It's... a lot, on top of the "a lot" that is the regular TF toyline and fictional output today. I've said that the work involved in keeping up with all of TF's merch ought to be a full-time paying job, and I genuinely mean it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

== Transformers Roleplaying Game releases on the front page and sidebar ==

The [[Transformers Roleplaying Game]] is getting pretty frequent releases of both sourcebooks and pre-written adventures, and it occurs to me that it might be a good idea to have it on the "current releases" section of the front page and/or the navigation sidebar. How would people feel about that? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:49, 4 May 2024 (EDT)
: I think that makes a lot of sense, as long as we have people keeping up with the new releases to document them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:51, 4 May 2024 (EDT)

==How we handle weapons' toy/merch sections==
Okay, so like... I'm not really convinced that what we've been doing is the best way to handle the weapon pages' toys/merch sections. Honestly, they end up looking... really shoddy. There's just tiny scraps of info, vast wads of whitespace, few to no links, the images are tons of different sizes. 
I'm thinking that instead of all this... maybe this is a place where a gallery is in order, just a chronological procession. Have the captions just say what lines/toys the weapons came with and link to the toys directly on the character page. It's not like there's much to say about any of these, why not let the toy listing on the character page say it? Why make people scroll through screens of mostly-emptiness, which I feel they're increasingly unlikely to do? I may do a sandbox if I'm feeling up to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:24, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:[[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:WeaponPageToysSection]] - So... this, basically. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:39, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I'd be on board with that. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:34, 6 May 2024 (EDT)
:I like it. It would be far more compact than our current approach for, say, [[Fusion cannon#Toys]], while still getting the point across. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:13, 10 May 2024 (EDT)

==Proposal for Unproduced or Unreleased Template==
I don't think the Apocrypha template is particularly useful. It was created specifically for Alignment, but most of the things in it don't fit that criteria. Something like Unproduced or Unreleased Transformer media would be more self explanatory. [[User:WillR113|WillR113]] ([[User talk:WillR113|talk]]) 07:05, 11 May 2024 (EDT)

== Use of pictures from ebay, fan sites, etc ==

Is it appropriate to use pictures of toys from ebay, fan reviews, video review screenshots and the like? Under fair use and with source credit? Sometimes rarer items we don't have good pictures of on the wiki show up in these places. In particular I found a ebay seller with good images of EZ collection toys and and old Japanese review blog with images of Takara variants of HFTD/Autobot Alliance toys so that got me wondering. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (EDT)
:Images from eBay and other fan sites have been and can continue to be used, giving the fullest source credit feasible. I don't think we've ever needed to rely on video review screenshots and would always prefer to have a "normal" still image instead whenever possible. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:02, 16 May 2024 (EDT)

== ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' “再構成版” エピソード視聴ガイド "Re-Configuration Version" aka "Re-Constructed Version" Episode Viewing Guide ==

We really need to document the "canon" Japanese viewing order for ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' & ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010'' originally included with the ''Pioneer'' Laserdisc booklets & later apparently revised by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (市川裕文) for the DVD BOX SET 2 Instruction Booklet as it would help clean-up the chronology on many wiki pages here. From what I've been able to gather this particular viewing order differs from both the US/Japan production orders, the US-Airing order and the Japanese-Airing order. So what exactly is the order of the episodes of these two series according to these documents? Does anyone own them and able to list the specific order in which the episodes appear in those LD/DVD "Instruction Booklets" word-for-word? As it stands, we've only mentioned that a "narrative viewing order" exists but do not have it listed anywhere. For further clarification, it is not the order in which the episodes appear on the Japanese DVDs. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 01:09, 15 May 2024 (EDT)
:While this information would be valuable and is worth documenting, it's unlikely to result in us making any major changes to the way our information is structured. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:31, 16 May 2024 (EDT)
:Okay, having seen the booklets in question, it just lists the episodes in production order, continuity errors and all. So...absolutely no change, then. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:44, 17 May 2024 (EDT)

== Documenting MSRP? ==

Would it be worth documenting MSRP prices (in usd at least)? For the regular retail classes that's for the most part covered by the [[size class]] page, but we don't keep track of them for more specialty items like Masterpieces, multipacks, exclusives, one-off releases not in a normal size class, special lines like Missing Link, etc. It's something I find personally interesting and would've liked to know for older figures and someone in the future might want to know about today's releases. It can also offer some neat bits of info like how Premium Finish releases were generally one price point up compared to the figure's size or how the upcoming United Cliffjumper multipack is a whole $30 off what the individual figures would cost --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:20, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
:I think this would be very interesting, particularly when you scroll down pages for G1 toys that got multiple reissues like the Seekers, Insecticons, and tape players. It's just that - like the Designer Notes and the proper insignias on each and every toy - it would take forever to add and would probably wind up being one super-dedicated person having to do most of the work. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:28, 21 May 2024 (EDT)
::I might try to do what I can, going back to recatalogue everything would definitely be a chore. But at the very least I strongly believe it's something we can and should implement for future toy entries. I've started a [[User:BluJayWarrior/Sandbox|MSRP Sandbox]] to try out a few formats, any feedback is appreciated. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 05:18, 23 May 2024 (EDT)
::Cleaned up the sandbox page. Anyone have anything to say about the format? Might try applying Style 1 to a few pages this weekend if no one makes any objections. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 12:58, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Of those options I like Style 1 the best. As you already noted, the [[size class]] pages covers basically all normal U.S. retail from BW through Legacy, missing things like Platinum and MP. To find contemporary G1 prices, here are some good resources:
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20181125082555/https://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf84.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081109/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf85.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114091052/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf86.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114090836/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf87.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114084922/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf88.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081716/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf89.html
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114085830/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf90.html
:::https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/g1-original-retail-price-listing.1167895/
:::I tried looking for G2 MSRP but couldn't find anything as obvious. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:24, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Thanks for the sources, gonna have to sort through that later. Planning to start with new ROTB characters since they're smaller pages and prices can still be found. I've decided to add prices for retail classes for reader convenience; not everyone will know to go to the size class page for them and its not linked often enough to make it reasonable they would. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (EDT)

: I'd been working on a project like this a long time ago, had originally proposed adding this to the wiki, but then kinda stopped... mostly because near as I could tell, the MSRP in the 80s was something retailers could just make the hell up. The price ranges for any given toy were kinda all over the damn place, and the MSRP was something some retailers used to go "no really we're cheaper SEE?" then make up some price they supposedly "discounted" down from... you know, the thing that got Kay-Bee in legal-type troubles. I was increasingly unsure how to handle that wild price variance concisely on the wiki. In fact...
::https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PBE2i9vLE6fkr933GQbXosA1cxIqB3CkOSnzW0BMdwc/edit#gid=448439989
: Take a look-see. There's at least three different MSRP values for the standard Headmasters, never mind actual sticker prices. Like, I ''want'' to provide this kind of context, I really do, and it's pretty easy once we get to the unified price points of BW on... but for G1 and G2? Woof. That's going to take a bit of mulling. "Average" price maybe, but there's gonna be some Prices Georg here and there throwing shit off. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
::RE: The sandbox... I'm gonna have to vote against Style 1, because, as noted, price info is very likely going to get... cluttered, and the longer that parenthetical is, the worse it is. I'd REALLY like to keep that to just "size class/type (if not obvious) and release year". And don't forget Takara-release prices, which can be more flexible even within a size class... but at least those have been ''extensively'' documented. I think we need to talk about bit more about everything we'd need to cover and ''how'' before we go implementing anything, and get a few more people in on the discussion. (Sorry for all the add-ons, lightly scattered today.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::Fair enough on the old stuff since that gets convoluted, but the newer stuff is comparatively easier to do and I'd rather start sooner before some MSRP prices get harder to find (ROTB Autobots Unite subline prices seem to have disappeared already). Added the ROTB Airazor page I was gonna start with to the sandbox so you can see how the page might look as a whole. Since you object to Style 1 I added a Style 2 version too. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:38, 24 May 2024 (EDT)
:::: Assemble the data, sure, but I am going to say do ''not'' actually apply any of this to live articles. Again, there's barely been any time or discussion on a project that is... vast in scope, and we simply do not jump on stuff like this right away, because that means things will get not considered and then we have to re-do hundreds to thousands of pages... and we absolutely do ''not'' do it when there's a giant obvious gap (the first decade of the franchise) that still needs to be considered, as how we handle ''that'' will affect how we handle all the others, because we try and keep things consistent.
:::: Like, just off the top of my head, there's non-US-or-Japan markets to consider for just about everything normal-retail. Which makes me think we may want to look into a collapsible template, like with the toy designers and voice actors, to handle the other markets without overloading the bullet point sections, some of which are already a bit husky. There's the fact that Walmart and Target just dropped the prices on TF Deluxes in the US... but apparently, Hasbro didn't change their "MSRP"/cost at all. In fact a quick jump to Hasbro Pulse shows they're still charging $25 for a ''Legacy/Studio'' Deluxe, while I can pop to the local Target/Walmart and buy 'em at $20, so we gotta consider ranges just like with G1/G2. And again... ''I'm moderately convinced that "MSRP" in the USA was bullshit all along,'' so I don't know that it's the term we even want to use in the first place. Maybe "Retail price" would be better. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:17, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::I think just documenting the MSRP, if we know it, is enough. No need to go down the rabbit hole of tracking down what individual retailers sell them at when they disregard the MSRP (which as, after all, only a suggested price). In my opinion, at least, it's little different from listing the cover prices of books - the only difference is that Hasbro doesn't print their suggested price directly on the box.
:::::Totally hear you on waiting to the pull the trigger until it's been properly discussed, though. Also, I prefer BluJay's Style 2 as well. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:46, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
:::::: Um, the problem is, again... I really don't think we HAVE any actual MSRPs outside of Takara's. What's been cataloged here are just "prices they were sold at", which isn't ''specifically'' a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price, the specific price suggested specifically by the manufacturer. Those we'd need a source for, and as I've pointed out, the handful of stated "MSRP"s we've seen for Hasbro stuff... well, someone was lying, likely multiple someones. For BW on we have a pretty strong ''inference'' of MSRP, but, well. And even that's not reliable... I just remembered that Walmart and Target were charging markedly different prices for the ''EarthSpark'' Tacticons, like, a $2 diff.
:::::: What I'm saying is, we might want to just not call it "MSRP" because of that (also, frankly I question how many people even recognize that acronym). And because of the wide variance in prices for older stuff, no, we don't need to list every price at every retailer (there were a billion retailers in the 80s... man, remember when actual competition in the market was a thing?), but we really OUGHT to account for the variance somehow, because it can be wide and ''full''. "''Original price''" might be best, since that's what we're actually reporting here, with something like "$2.99 - $4.99 (US) / ¥500 (Japan) <expand>". I'd rather do a range than a single-price "average" on old stuff, especially when we have so MUCH data on what these were sold at across the nation that we can see the trends and when a particularly high or low price is an outlier adn should not have been counted. "Modern" stuff we can certainly ignore, say, Kohl's's higher prices and just do the average probable-MSRP-if-those-actually-exist prices most places (all two of them) charge. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
::::Alright, I'll make a [[User:BluJayWarrior/MSRP Catalog|separate sub page]] to catalog prices for now while that gets sorted out
::::As Dark T said, I think prioritizing initial Hasbro MSRP is best as it is the "intended" price (this is what [https://brickset.com Brickset] does for Lego). It's a point of consistency since historically different retailers tend have slight variations on the price anyway (Target/Walmart sometimes being slightly lower, Kohls/BBTS being higher, general lag on reflecting the msrp price increases a few years ago, etc) and I don't think that whole range needs to be noted. Admittedly the current Target/Walmart prices drops are pretty unusual (a whole $5?!) but unless it becomes something more widespread I personally wouldn't consider it as a data point. Might be worth making a note of somewhere if anything, though I'm not sure where --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 04:26, 25 May 2024 (EDT)

==Micronauts, etc.==
Why are we suddenly gaining detailed issue write-ups for so much of Micronauts, which contains no TF elements at all? Isn't that the point of the IDW Hasbroverse wiki? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:14, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:Oh and look, now whole issues of M.A.S.K. written 7 years ago with no TF content whatsoever are being pasted from the Hasbroverse wiki. Is the other site going offline or something? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::I don't think it was really our intention to formally unveil the project until we were further along, but some of us have been doing a fair bit of work towards creating a [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page sister wiki for ''G.I. Joe''] where the [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Comics#IDW_Publishing_3 out-of-scope IDW Joe coverage] has already been re-homed. The Joe crew hasn't made any calls about what do with non-Joe stuff to be clear (we're sort of preoccupied, there's so much Joe you guys) but I'm guessing the idea here is to align the rest with our [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive71#Energon Universe coverage|current approach]] to [[Energon Universe|Skybound's shared universe]] and sundown the IDW one? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:43, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
:::That is more or less the intention, yeah. The Hasbroverse wiki was built at a time where it was perhaps anticipated to be grander than it ended up being, and it wasn't certain how long it was going to run; with the end result being "not very", having this other vestigial site for what is ultimately not a lot of content just doesn't feel practical. The exception, of course, is pre-V5 Joe, which has ''always'' been the sticking point in discussions about moving Hasbroverse content here, both for the amount and for how little it has to do with the IDW Transformers line. Having a dedicated Joe wiki solves that problem and frees up the rest of the Hasbroverse stuff to be reintegrated. Plus, there's still new Joe material being released to this day; arguably having a complete and better curated site for the franchise as a whole that continues to be updated with new releases is more likely to drive traffic and get other people to contribute than it would be linking to a dead wiki for a long-ended comic line that's had the same featured articles for five years because no one cares to add anything to it anymore. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:59, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::::It does look like a rough consensus was reached to do this back in 2021 ([[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Reintegration_of_Hasbroverse_wiki_content|Archive 69]]), it was just never implemented. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)
::Like half of MASK issues have something from Transformers in them. Picking and choosing which select issues to cover here is hair-splitting and obnoxious for readers. It's immensely better to just have all the information in one, easily-accessible spot and regard Hasbro Universe as a de facto spinoff of Transformers, much like Beastformers and Energon Universe are. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)

==One spoilers==
I propose that information about this movie be withheld until it actually opens in its largest market next weekend. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:04, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
: Agreed. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:08, 14 September 2024 (EDT)

==Transformers One and the conversation we've all been waiting for==

On September 12th, Lorenzo di Bonaventura [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/is-transformers-one-a-prequel-optimus-prime-origin-story-exclusive/ clarified the relationship] between ''Transformers One'' and the live-action ''Transformers'' films, describing them as "two universes" that will be "separate". For some, this kind of explicit confirmation may come as a relief after years of wishy-washy answers regarding ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but it also leaves us with questions on how to best handle ''One''-related information going forward. Around 2015, we adopted a unique layout we applied to all the movie characters, where we organized their movie appearances at the top of the page, regardless of chronological order of release (see "[[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Movies]]"). Obviously, this leads to some questions regarding how we should handle our ''One'' coverage going forward.

The way I see it, we have three options:

* '''Keep the page format as is, and keep''' '''''One''''' '''up with the rest of the movies''': For obvious reasons I think this is probably our weakest possible solution; it's pretty clear at this point that our current solution for classifying the films is not really sustainable, and mashing them all together under a single loosely-affiliated umbrella is already confusing and frustrating people who aren't intimately acquainted with the mechanics of the wiki.

* '''Reorganize movie character pages so that we acknowledge the live-action films and''' '''''One''''' '''as separate continuities within one continuity family, similar to how our G1 pages cover Sunbow, Marvel, JG1, IDW, etc.''': Historically speaking, this is probably the safest option, but from what I understand there is very little "connective tissue"—visually, character-wise, plot-beats—between the live-action films and ''One'' beyond the inertia of "they were both made by Paramount". As some people have discussed in the past, this could lead to a full or partial reformat of our movie character coverage to more clearly reflect the ambiguous "prequel" status of ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'', but this may be a conversation for another time.

* '''Separate''' '''''One''''' '''as an entirely new continuity family and split out the relevant information so we have pages for "Optimus Prime (One)", "Megatron (One)", etc.''' Probably the most radical proposal, but this is honestly where I'm at right now: from what I understand the movie is a pretty radical departure from everything that's gone before, with entirely new interpretations of old ''Transformers'' lore—I'd classify it as the start of a new "franchise" in the same way that we distinguish ''Earthspark'' and ''Cyberverse'' despite them both clearly drawing on the same well of post-Aligned lore, and these days "new franchise" is generally synonymous with "new continuity family" for the ease of wiki bookkeeping.

We would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter! '''As the film is not out yet in all regions please refrain from posting spoilers here'''. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 08:56, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I could see option 3 being the way we go, but what holds me back from that is that beyond just Paramount, Spielberg and Bay are still executive producers on the film. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:39, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I think we should put them on the Earthspark Continuity pages to satisfy no-one /j - but yeah, the film is drawing from the same vaguely Binder Of Revelation backstory as everything else for the last 10 years, and unless they have been hiding The Fallen twisting D-16 to evil or the twist that the Creators were the Quintessons all along, One feels pretty decoupled from the rest of the movies. The big issue I see with splitting out fully is that people wondering why we do not do the same for Bumblebee/ROTB, but that more easily passes a "vibe check" as being "Movie-adjacent" and belonging on the same page as the Bay 5-dom than One so far. Agree that trying to put them directly alongside the other movies as a prequel feels both unwieldy and confusing. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 09:41, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3''', I think creating separate pages is the way to go. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 09:54, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::I vote for '''option 2'''. To me the movie is different enough to be a separate universe but not an entirely different continuity. Josh Cooley himself on April 18 when asked whether the film is a fresh start, a prequel to the live-action films, or its own thing, replied with: "yes to all of the above" https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status. (And having seen the movie I can confirm those connections to the live-action series do exist). [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:05, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I vote for '''option 3'''. One has always felt very different to the previous live action movies so I feel it should get its own dedicated pages. As for BB and ROTB, there is "connective tissue" to the Bayverse movies so I feel they can stay on the pre-existing movie pages. [[User:PublicCrown|PublicCrown]] ([[User talk:PublicCrown|talk]]) 10:25, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having viewed the film at an advance screening, I think there are easily enough references and homages to previous films that '''option two''' makes the most sense. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 10:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

::I'm favorable for the '''3rd option''', it is still produced under Paramount & there are some producers attached to the project that were on previous movies, but my stance is that we should judge based on the final product & having seen the movie, it doesn't try to be in line to what came before (there are some similarities in design & names, but it stops there since every popular TF stories has influence over the next ones), helped by the new team of writers & creatives. If we can treat each new cartoon as its own entity (even tho in recent years they are streamlined in some areas), I think we can do the same for the recent movies that have more contradictory elements to the Bayverse –[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:49, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''<nowiki>#3</nowiki>''' is the cleanest option to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:32, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

:I think from a practical perspective, '''#3''' is the only real option. Looking at the loose guidelines for a new family on our [[continuity family]] page:
:*"a fresh continuity" — Yep, even Lorenzo's acknowledged this. Even if we questioned that, there's stuff like the AllSpark being absent (with the Matrix pretty much taking exactly the role the AllSpark would have), Megatronus being a good guy, and Sentinel's role being entirely irreconcilable with Dark of the Moon.
:*"within a separate franchise" — Yep. New franchise, and the marketing hasn't done anything to allude to the live-action films specifically.
:*"significantly different in cast, theme, style, etc." — This is the big sticking point for me. One makes no attempt to align with the visual style or characterisations of the live-action films. The sole real connective point is B-127 (name from ''Bumblebee'', he has the big cheeks and antenna of the movie guy, and his talking a lot is clearly a meta-gag about him losing his voice), but even he's characterised completely differently, as the "comedy crazy guy" who's a peer to Optimus and co instead of the cool-but-rude big brother figure from Bay/Bee/Beasts.
:I'm sympathetic to the Paramount/Bay/Spielberg/Di Bonaventura connective tissue, but my big rebuttal there is that we don't consider ''EarthSpark'' to be Aligned because Nicole Dubuc is the showrunner. Ultimately, if we hadn't had pre-release producer statements (now contradicted) calling it a prequel to the other movies, there's absolutely no way this would be in question — we'd already have it as a separate continuity family. And from a wiki organisation standpoint I don't think there's any way to, say, write up Sentinel Prime's opening paragraph in a way that adequately covers both the DOTM and One characters without genericising it to the point of uselessness. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 12:33, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::Yeah, I think '''#3''' is straightforward and likely the approach we'd take if we were presented with the film, as a story, with zero context on the studio releasing it or EPs involved or whatever. I also think there's a high likelihood that the next live-action film will have Elita appear and be like "hey Optimus remember when we were in Transformers One?" and we'll all groan and have to reconsider, but until then, I think the real-world context is basically the only thing separating One from just being the next Broadly Aligned-y New Thing like Cyberverse and EarthSpark before it, which we consistently split out for organisation reasons. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Toss me in for '''Option 3''' of an entirely new continuity given how ''different'' the story details has been laid out when compared to the original 2007 film-verse and then later what's set by ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:38, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting for '''option #2'''. While we would still have the outlier of TF:TAM 86 being a theatrically released movie in the G1 continuity family, I see no reason why "movie continuity family" would not only include transmedia spinoffs from feature films (''Reign of Starscream'', toy redeco Tech Specs, etc. etc.) but also feature films which are belonging different timelines and story universes. This would also free us from having to reconcile Movie 'Bee's history -- did he come to Earth in the 1940s or the 1980s? -- and put to bed *that* long running argument about whether the Bay-directed films were the same universe as BB and RotB or not -- now they don't have to be! [[User:Banpei the Mini-Con|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con|talk]]) 14:58, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:Having seen the movie, I think '''#3''' is our cleanest option. Between the Lorenzo interview and, without going into spoilers, the numerous discrepencies there are, I don't think we can get away with suiting it out ala G1. The time may come when we do that for Bumblebee onwards but as far as One goes, I say we treat it as a new continuity. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 19:53, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''#3'''. #2 was close for me, but TFOne (having seen the movie) is so artistically different from the live action movies, it feels pointless to keep it on the same page like G1/IDW. Ironically, we could give Bayverse/BB&ROTB the G1/IDW treatment. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 23:23, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:I think 3 is where I'm leaning after seeing the film. Keeping this as "movie continuity" simply because it was released theatrically doesn't make sense to me. We wouldn't do that with a new comic or show because it was the same medium, why do it for a movie just because of that? Yes There is some CNA here to the live action films, but it could be argued it has just as much pulled from G1. One is it's own thing in the end. Trying to fit it into the live action movie box just doesn't feel right in this case.--[[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 05:47, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I vote for '''Option 3''' for all the reasons previously mentioned as well as size concerns. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:'''Option 3''', I believe the movie was clearly made with a new continuity in mind.-[[User:TitaniumToughGuy|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy|talk]]) 09:38, 16 September 2024 (EDT)

:I'm voting '''Option 3'''; much of my reasons are the same as others have stated above, and I do apologise for opening this bags of worms on the ''One'' talk page. It's not that I don't understand why some people are opposed to creating a new set if pages, but for argument's sake, if ''One'' gets one or more sequels, it would likely draw further away from the established live-action films and become its own continuity/franchise (though that's more of a what-if right now). Overall, I personally think that separating live-action films and animated ones into their own continuities is a reasonable option, and I believe that ''One'' has proven itself a different entity. [[User:Prime Temple|Prime Temple]] ([[User talk:Prime Temple|talk]]) 06:26, 17 September 2024 (EDT)

:Screen Rant: I vote for '''Option 1''' This came out from ScreenRant today. Is Transformers One considered a prequel to the recent movies of Bumblebee and Rise of the Beast or the original live-action film starting in 2007? Or is it something completely, entirely new? ... Lorenzo di Bonaventura: "It obviously exists beforehand. I think we figured it out. It was like 300 million years before the first Michael Bay movie, so if that's a prequel, that's a prequel. But we're really following the lore about where it starts, and so we really just think about it as the beginning of the story. The origin, yes, but literally the beginning of the thing that we've all come to appreciate." https://screenrant.com/transformers-one-lorenzo-di-bonaventura-and-josh-cooley-interview/ [[User:96megatron|96megatron]] ([[User talk:96megatron|talk]]) 10:56, 17 September 2024 (EDT)

===CHECKPOINT (2024/09/16)===
*Votes for Option 1: 1 (96megatron)
*Votes for Option 2: 3 (GrievousPrime, Archforce, Banpei the Mini-Con)
*Votes for Option 3: 15 (Locoman, AkibaSilver, MrRald, PublicCrown, MahXyme, Saix, Broadside, Jalaguy, Lonegamer, Ezim93, Boingus, ParadoxFactor, Khajidha, TitaniumToughGuy, CyberLink420)
As it stands, current consensus is pretty overwhelmingly in favor of Option 3 by a ratio of 5:1. I know it's only been a day, but barring a sudden swell of support for #2, it might be prudent to start switching everything over. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:20, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
: I'm reluctant to make actual changes until the movie hits wide release and the general public can make informed input. Give it a few more days. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 10:40, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::This. Let people... SEE the movie before we make important decisions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::::Right. We can wait a few days for more than a small handful of people to see this and base their decision on, you know, '''''the actual movie''''' rather than whatever someone who had something to do with it says ''this'' week, which historically has waffled between "vague" and "contradictory". Hell, even ''now'' some of them are still being all "well maybe it is and maybe it isn't" and frankly I have no faith they won't ride that ambiguity for a long time like they've done since ''Bumblebee''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
::I've said ever since Keegan Michael Key tweeted as much that One should be treated as a separate continuity. '''Option 3''' for sure. {{unsigned|jmcdavid}}
:'''Option 3'''. I've seen the movie and other users have covered why that seems like the best choice. It feels as different from the previous movies as Prime is from Animated, or Earthspark from Sunbow (which, despite directly homaging/referencing Sunbow, Earthspark is considered separate from). [[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 18:01, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:I vote '''Option 2'''. There seems to be a large focus on whether or not the film fits in continuity with the prior films, but considering how little they fit with each other that feels irrelevant to me. The creators have been rather unclear whether this film should be considered separate from the ongoing live-action series in terms of production, just in terms of universe. If we had a sense this was the springboard for an entirely separate animated film series I'd say Option 3, but it feels unwarranted at this time. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 20:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)
:Also '''Option 3''' . In tone, content, continuity, style, story, just feels too different to me from the Michael Bay and other films, really only having the method of release in common. It feels more separate from the other movies than even Cyberverse from G1, and that’s happily separate. —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 10:05, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting for '''Option 2'''. If adding stuff like Aligned backstory influence disqualifies One from being movie, then there could be an argument for splitting IDW characters off from the G1 pages because of things like the absence of the traditional "Ark crashes on Earth, everyone wakes up 4 million years later" backstory, and no amount of Owning The Bayverse (which I can't help but feel some of the desire to split One off is fueled by) is worth opening that can of worms. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 12:31, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:Voting '''Option 3''', y'all gotta stop taking Lorenzo's word as gospel especially over the actual creatives behind these movies. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 14:25, 17 September 2024 (EDT)

Talk:Wheeljack (ROTB)

2023-07-20T20:05:03Z

Jman98: /* BB & ROTB Wheeljack */

==Pablo redirect==
Just in case someone accidentally uses this name for this guy and can't it in search.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 00:46, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

==BB & ROTB Wheeljack==
Shouldn't this Wheeljack and the one seen in Bumblebee be considered the same guy? Considering ROTB is a sequel to Bumblebee, and the one seen in Bumblebee is nothing like the one from Dark of the Moon and there's actually nothing supporting that the one in BB and DOTM are the same but not ROTB. I tried editing it but the admins just undid it without reason, would really like to know what the mindset is here? Because ROTB and BB are in the same continuity and don't really contradict each other, while DOTM contradicts both a lot, so I don't understand why BB is considered the same as DOTM and not ROTB. If you're gonna undo my edits, at least give a reason as I had. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 13:06, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
::But that quote doesn't mention ''Bumblebee'' though? It states it's not ''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack, but makes no mention of Bumblebee. If anything the quote supports ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack being the same guy, especially with ''Rise of the Beasts'' being a sequel to ''Bumblebee''. Do you have a source that actually mentions him being distinct from the Wheeljack in ''Bumblebee''? [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 16:05, 20 July 2023 (EDT)

Talk:Wheeljack (ROTB)

2023-07-06T03:12:43Z

Jman98: Nevermind, misread it.

Talk:Wheeljack (ROTB)

2023-07-06T03:11:47Z

Jman98:

==Pablo redirect==
Just in case someone accidentally uses this name for this guy and can't it in search.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 00:46, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

==BB & ROTB Wheeljack==
Shouldn't this Wheeljack and the one seen in Bumblebee be considered the same guy? Considering ROTB is a sequel to Bumblebee, and the one seen in Bumblebee is nothing like the one from Dark of the Moon and there's actually nothing supporting that the one in BB and DOTM are the same but not ROTB. I tried editing it but the admins just undid it without reason, would really like to know what the mindset is here? Because ROTB and BB are in the same continuity and don't really contradict each other, while DOTM contradicts both a lot, so I don't understand why BB is considered the same as DOTM and not ROTB. If you're gonna undo my edits, at least give a reason as I had. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 13:06, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
::That quote literally only references ''Dark of the Moon'' and actually mentions that Wheeljack was set for the film from the jump by Hasbro. He said he reimagined the character, but he doesn't state it's not the same one from ''Bumblebee'' because ''Bumblebee'' isn't mentioned at all. ''Bumblebee'' Wheeljack isn't the same as DOTM either. I'd say the quote actually supports BB and ROTB Wheeljack being the same, only pointing out that he's not the same as the one from DOTM, which tracks. I think the continuity discussion is pretty relevant here since you're essentially placing ''Bumblebee'' into two continuities while being selective on how it affects each one, when it's not that complicated at all as ROTB is the only one that it doesn't contradict. By the logic you're presenting, there should be ''three'' Wheeljack pages for each appearance then. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 23:10, 5 July 2023 (EDT)

Talk:Wheeljack (ROTB)

2023-07-06T03:10:31Z

Jman98: /* BB & ROTB Wheeljack */

==Pablo redirect==
Just in case someone accidentally uses this name for this guy and can't it in search.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 00:46, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

==BB & ROTB Wheeljack==
Shouldn't this Wheeljack and the one seen in Bumblebee be considered the same guy? Considering ROTB is a sequel to Bumblebee, and the one seen in Bumblebee is nothing like the one from Dark of the Moon and there's actually nothing supporting that the one in BB and DOTM are the same but not ROTB. I tried editing it but the admins just undid it without reason, would really like to know what the mindset is here? Because ROTB and BB are in the same continuity and don't really contradict each other, while DOTM contradicts both a lot, so I don't understand why BB is considered the same as DOTM and not ROTB. If you're gonna undo my edits, at least give a reason as I had. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 13:06, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
:The big quote we're referring to (in the references section) clearly indicates a clean break between this Wheeljack and all prior incarnations, including the one who shows up in ''Bumblebee''. The continuity discussion isn't relevant here. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:01, 30 June 2023 (EDT)
::That quote literally only references ''Dark of the Moon'' and actually mentions that Wheeljack was set for the film from the jump by Hasbro. He said he reimagined the character, but he doesn't state it's not the same one from ''Bumblebee'' because ''Bumblebee'' isn't mentioned at all. ''Bumblebee'' Wheeljack isn't the same as DOTM either. I'd say the quote actually supports BB and ROTB Wheeljack being the same, only pointing out that he's not the same as the one from DOTM, which tracks. I think the continuity discussion is pretty relevant here since you're essentially placing ''Bumblebee'' into two continuities while being selective on how it affects each one, when it's not that complicated at all as ROTB is the only one that it doesn't contradict. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 23:10, 5 July 2023 (EDT)

Talk:Wheeljack (ROTB)

2023-06-30T17:06:26Z

Jman98:

Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)

2023-06-25T11:13:43Z

Jman98: /* Transformers references */

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|distributor=[[Paramount Pictures]]
|executive producer=[[Steven Spielberg]] [[Brian Goldner]] [[Brian Oliver]] [[Bradley J. Fischer]] [[Valerii An]] [[David Ellison]] [[Dana Goldberg]] [[Don Granger]]
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'''''Transformers: Rise of the Beasts''''' is the seventh film in the [[live-action film series]], serving both as a sequel to ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' and a tribute to ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]''. The film is directed by [[Steven Caple Jr.]] and written by [[Joby Harold]], [[Darnell Metayer]], [[Josh Peters]], [[Erich Hoeber]], and [[Jon Hoeber]]. Originally expected to be released on [[June 28]], [[2019]],<ref name="toyfairreveal">[http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/02/12/transformers-5-transformers-6-bumblebee-spin-off-movie-revealed-309503 Transformers 5, Transformers 6 And Bumblebee Spin-Off Movie Revealed] ToyFair news at TFW2005</ref> the film was delayed multiple times until finally being released on [[June 9]], [[2023]].<ref name="2023release"/>

When [[Noah Diaz]], a struggling young man trying to provide for his family, is roped into a conflict between the marooned [[Autobot]]s and the recently arrived [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcons]], he must learn to work with weary Autobot leader [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] so they, with the help of the wise [[Maximal]]s and the unadventurous researcher [[Elena Wallace]], can stop the arrival of the planet-eater [[Unicron]].

==Synopsis==
[[File:ROTBcap-Unicronringedplanet.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|This is one unusual planet... whatever it is.]]

Somewhere in time and space, the dark god [[Unicron]] and his minions invade a [[Jungle Planet (colony)|jungle world]] populated by [[Maximal]]s. Unicron, seeking a way to cross galaxies, sends his [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcon]] herald [[Scourge (ROTB)|Scourge]] to retrieve the [[Transwarp Key]], an advanced device that can open portals in space-time. Although the Maximals attempt to fight back, their leader [[Apelinq (ROTB)|Apelinq]] entrusts [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|Optimus Primal]] and a small group of Maximals—[[Airazor (ROTB)|Airazor]], [[Cheetor (ROTB)|Cheetor]], and [[Rhinox (ROTB)|Rhinox]]—with the Transwarp Key and orders them to keep the artifact from Unicron. As Primal and his followers use the key to escape their doomed planet and flee to prehistoric [[Earth]], Scourge kills Apelinq after a brief fight and takes his [[insignia]] as a trophy.

Thousands of years later, in the year [[1994]], ex-military electronics expert [[Noah Diaz]] attempts to find a job to support his sick brother [[Kris Diaz|Kris]]. However, after another failed interview, his friend [[Reek]] convinces him to steal an expensive car from a nearby hotel. However, the "car" turns out to be the Autobot [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]] in disguise, who takes the terrified Noah on a joyride through the streets of [[New York City]]. At the same time, a museum on Ellis Island comes into possession of an unusual stone falcon with a Maximal insignia. After closing hours, museum intern [[Elena Wallace]] investigates the statue and accidentally breaks it open to reveal half of the Transwarp Key. The artifact releases an energy pulse that attracts the attention of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the other Autobots, who have been stranded on Earth since their evacuation of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] seven years prior. Prime summons the nearest Autobots—[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], and Mirage, who arrives at the meeting spot with Noah in tow. Although Optimus distrusts humans, he believes that they can use the Transwarp Key to return home and liberate their homeworld; eventually, Mirage hatches a scheme to sneak into the museum and have Noah steal the key for them.

[[File:ROTB-ScourgeBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66|A treacherous, underhanded sneak attack! I like you, pussycat, yes.]]

Unbeknownst to the Autobots, the accidental activation of the Transwarp Key summons the Terrorcons to Earth. Noah meets Elena inside the museum, but cannot convince her to turn over the relic before the Terrorcons attack; despite Prime's best efforts, Scourge successfully overpowers the Autobot leader, steals the Transwarp Key, and mortally injures Bumblebee before Airazor arrives to help drive the villains away. Airazor explains that the Maximals have been on Earth for millennia, and deliberately split the Transwarp Key in half to prevent Unicron or his followers from using it. The loss of Bumblebee only further galvanizes Optimus's resolve that they must reassemble the key and return home; Noah, fearful of Unicron's arrival, tells Elena that they must destroy the key to protect their own homeworld.

Elena deduces that the other half of the key is located in a hidden temple in [[Peru]], and Prime recruits the airborne Autobot [[Stratosphere]] to take them there. Near the city of [[Cusco]], the Autobot [[Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack]] guides them to the temple, located beneath a [[Convent of Santo Domingo|local monastery]]. A festival prevents the Autobots from moving through the city inconspicuously; as a result, Noah and Elena must make the journey on foot. The pair discover a hidden mechanism that leads to a hidden temple with a stone sarcophogus but find that the other half of the key is no longer inside it. The Terrorcons attack again, and although the Autobots are able to evade the villains, the conflict ends with Scourge infecting Airazor with a portion of Unicron's dark energy. On the other side of the temple, Noah and Elena encounter Optimus Primal and the other two Maximals, who, after a brief standoff, agree to join forces with the Autobots. Optimus Primal explains that they entrusted the Transwarp Key to a tribe of humans who live near the [[energon]]-rich valley that Primal and his followers inhabit—while Optimus Prime distrusts humanity, Primal has lived among them for millennia, and has come to view them as friends and even allies.

The next morning, however, Scourge's corruption finally overtakes Airazor; in the ensuing battle, Primal is forced to kill her to save Elena. Amidst the chaos, Noah makes an attempt to destroy their half of the Transwarp Key until Optimus convinces him to stand down. However, amidst the chaos, Scourge and the Terrorcons steal the other half of the key and relocate to a nearby volcano, which they reshape into a massive portal that will summon Unicron to Earth.
Having found some common ground between their two races, Optimus Prime and Noah agree to work together; while the Autobot-Maximal alliance battle Unicron's minions, Noah and Elena attempt to sneak into the Terrorcon base and deactivate the [[Unspace|transwarp]] device with a manual shutdown code based on Elena's studies of the Maximal language. Mirage attempts to distract Scourge so that the humans can complete their mission, but the Terrorcon leader gravely injures him; with the last of his strength, Mirage reshapes his body into an [[exosuit]] for Noah. As Unicron begins pushing his way through the portal to Earth and sending down an army of [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Scorponok (ROTB)|Scorponoks]] as reinforcements, the energy pulses released by the key ignite the nearby energon deposits and restore Bumblebee to life. As Bumblebee joins the fight, Optimus Prime gains the upper hand and finally kills Scourge, but not before the Terrorcon damages the console and leaves the heroes unable to close the portal. With no other options, Prime destroys the key and triggers a devastating implosion, but Noah and Primal successfully rescue the Autobot leader from falling into the collapsing vortex.

In the aftermath, the surviving Maximals remain in Peru, while the Autobots return to America. Elena is recognized for her archeological discovery, while Noah applies for another security job—but discovers that the job opportunity is actually a front for a clandestine government organization codenamed "[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]," who promise to cover his brother's treatment going forward.

Some time later, Noah has used spare Porsche parts to cobble together a new body for Mirage, and reveals his existence to a bewildered Reek.

==Cast==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Autobot]]s / [[Maximal]]s|c1=
;Autobots
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
* [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]] ([[Pete Davidson]])
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] ([[Liza Koshy]])
* [[Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack]] ([[Cristo Fernández]])
* [[Stratosphere]] ([[John DiMaggio]])

;Maximals
* [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|Optimus Primal]] ([[Ron Perlman]])
* [[Airazor (ROTB)|Airazor]] ([[Michelle Yeoh]])
* [[Rhinox (ROTB)|Rhinox]] ([[David Sobolov]])
* [[Cheetor (ROTB)|Cheetor]] ([[Tongayi Chirisa]])
* [[Apelinq (ROTB)|Apelinq]] (David Sobolov)

|h2=[[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcon]]s / [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s|c2=
;Terrorcons
* [[Scourge (ROTB)|Scourge]] ([[Peter Dinklage]])
* [[Nightbird (ROTB)|Nightbird]] ([[Michaela Jaé Rodriguez]])
* [[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]] (David Sobolov)
* [[Freezer]]

;Predacons
* [[Scorponok (ROTB)|Scorponok]]

|h3=[[Human]]s|c3=
* [[Noah Diaz]] ([[Anthony Ramos]])
* [[Elena Wallace]] ([[Dominique Fishback]])
* [[Breanna Diaz]] ([[Luna Lauren Velez]])
* [[Kris Diaz]] ([[Dean Scott Vasquez]])
* [[Reek]] ([[Tobe Nwigwe]])
* [[Jillian Robertson]] ([[Sarah Stiles]])
* [[Bishop (ROTB)|Bishop]] ([[Aidan Devine]])
* [[Mrs. Greene]] ([[Leni Parker]])
* [[Amaru]] ([[Lucas Huarancca]])
;[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]
* [[Agent Burke]] ([[Michael Kelly (actor)|Michael Kelly]])

|h4=Others|c4=
* [[Unicron]] ([[Colman Domingo]])
|nonumbering=true
}}

==Quotes==
"There’s a legend that precedes the dawn of our civilization: a vile god so large, so powerful, that it consumes entire planets as fuel. Few believed such a thing could be true, until the day we saw Unicron with our own eyes…"
:—'''Optimus Primal's''' opening narration.

"I'll hold him off, buy you some time." 
"Then I'm staying with you." 
"This is my fight. Listen, if Unicron were to get the key, he could open a portal through [[Transwarp Drive|time and space]], with no end to the worlds he could destroy. It is now your time to lead the [[Maximal|Maximals]]... Optimus Primal."
:—'''Apelinq''' passing the torch to '''Optimus Primal'''.

"So you're this planet's... ''great'' warrior. You have such a beautiful world, filled with an abundance of life. Savory."
:—'''Scourge''' waxes poetic to Apelinq.

"Benefits, to serving the almighty Unicron."
:—'''Scourge''' taking Apelinq's insignia and placing it on himself [[Lockdown (Animated)|as a trophy]].

"Okay, what are the rules?" 
"Bros before hoes." 
''[Noah glares at Kris]'' 
''(sigh)'' "Don't be a problem. Don't go looking for a problem—" 
"Or else we're gonna have a problem."
:—'''Noah''' and '''Kris''' clarify the rules.

"I ain't breaking into a museum for some space robots." 
"But what about for friendship?" 
''[Noah stares at Mirage incredulously]'' 
"Then what about for cash?"
:—'''Noah''' wants out. '''Mirage''' wants him in.

''"You can't handle the truth!"'' 
"I do not want you going to that drive-in theater anymore."
:— '''Bumblebee's''' references grate on '''Optimus Prime'''.

"Stop following me!" 
"I'm not following you, I'm just escaping in the same direction!"
:—'''Elena''' and '''Noah''' run from the pursuing Freezers.

"And you call yourself a Prime...Primus would be ''ashamed.''"
:—'''Scourge''' isn't too impressed with Optimus Prime.

"I'm going to take back Scourge's key, and then...''take off his head.''"
:—The origins of '''Optimus Prime's''' "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" phase.

"I love your fire, Prime, but you're going to die on this speck of dust." 
"I can think of no better place to bury you!"
:—'''Scourge''' has gotten on '''Optimus Prime's''' last nerve

"I am sorry, Noah." 
"You were looking out for your own. I can't even be angry at you for that." 
"On my homeworld, we believe that the battle with darkness will continue [['Til all are one|'til all are one]]. I lost sight of that. You fought for yours as I fought for mine, when we should've been fighting the darkness together." 
"But I ain't done fighting yet."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Noah''' have a moment as Unicron approaches.

"''I have come here to kick ass!''"
:—'''Bumblebee''' announces his return with a clear message.

"Time to show you the real power of a Prime!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' lays the smackdown on Scourge. An ass kicker cometh.

"Don't, Prime. I can give you everything you want." 
"Then DIE!"
:—'''Unicron's''' temptation falls flat in '''Optimus Prime's''' face.

"I am Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots. We have lost the Transwarp Key, and with it, our ability to go home. But we have gained an ally in our battle against the forces of evil. Forces too powerful for any of us to defeat on our own, but together, we might just have a chance."
:—'''Optimus Prime's''' closing narration. We missed them.

"I am Noah Diaz. What is there to know about me? I was raised out in Brooklyn. I got a little bro who calls me Sonic, and if I gotta help save the universe in order to help save the people I love, well then that's what I'm gonna do."
:—'''Noah''' does his own closing narration.

==Continuity notes==
''Rise of the Beasts'' is a direct sequel to 2018's ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' film, taking place seven years after its events, in 1994. The plot of the film has little impact on this one, beyond it being established that the Autobots have been stranded on Earth since arriving at its end. While waiting for Noah to infiltrate the museum, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee have a conversation that alludes to Bee's time with [[Charlie Watson]].

More notably, ''Rise of the Beasts'' serves to continue the heated debate among fans over whether or not the ''Transformers'' live-action film series has been rebooted, following reshoots to ''Bumblebee'' which served to distance it from prior continuity as directed by [[Michael Bay]]. Promotion for the film has delivered a lot of fuzzy statements and mixed messaging; it appears to be the perspective of director Steven Caple Jr. that it ''is'' a reboot of some description,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I feel like we have a lot to unravel, because this feels like a true reboot if you will, into the ''Transformers'' franchise, so we're about to see a lot more beyond the Decepticons moving forward.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPr_LLZx2HY&t=354s|site=Black Girl Nerds|title=Steven Caple Jr and Anthony Ramos on Rivalry and War in 'Transformers: Rise of the Beasts'|year=2022|month=12|day=01}}</ref> but observes that they are preserving many elements of the films that have gone before.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It's a reboot for sure. The Bayverse... you can still watch the Bayverse and be on your own verse, so to speak. With us, we're definitely like, we want this to work, you know? We want people to... it's a refresher, so we can call reboot in terms of like, where we were starting. But yeah so definitely a new direction for sure. There's some things you could probably connect to it, clearly Bee is like a huge connection to all the movies, you know what I mean? In terms of his car, his design, a Camaro, and things like that, but... it's a very small one, in terms of the big ideas that we have. And so you guys will see definitely where we're going at the end of this film, which is crazy.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MfMFxvT_-Q&t=2452s|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=The Alfonso Nation|title="BAYVERSE vs REBOOT" & Wheeljacks Design | ROTB DIRECTOR STEVEN CAPLE JR Interview!|year=2023|month=05|day=27}}</ref> Meanwhile, longtime producer [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] has repeatedly denied that it is a reboot, stating that the film shows how Optimus Prime grows to become the character seen in the Bay films,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Hey you know if you look at it from a timeline point of view, it follows ''Bumblebee''... but it is a prequel, in that it's before all the previous movies. So it sort of exists in its own way. What I don't think it is, is a reboot, because it's still our characters. One of the things that Steven brought to the table right from the beginning, which was so great, was the idea that when we meet Optimus Prime, he's different than what we think of him, and we're watching him grow up—if you would—as a leader. And for me that was one of the most exciting parts of the movie, and what was interesting was watching it with audiences, and at first they were uncomfortable a little bit, like, "wait, that's not exactly the Optimus... he should like humans!" You know? So I think it gives the movie a really interesting point of view, and that therefore it stands alone in that way.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h11sKGYcq9k&t=871s|name=Lorenzo di Bonaventura|site=a panel at the premiere of ''Rise of the Beasts''|year=2023|month=05|day=26}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=But what's interesting is, and you will appreciate this as a fan, at the end of ''Bumblebee'', Optimus comes to Earth. What he's experienced is failure, probably for the first time in his life, right? He's had to retreat, he's leaving the planet Cybertron. What's happened to him from that experience? When we meet him in 2007, he's a particular person, if you would. In 1994, he's not the same person. He still has growth to do between ‘94 and 2007. So the character arc for Optimus in this, and the fun for the audience is, when you first meet Optimus – and we've had this experience because we've watched it with audiences and we've heard them talk about it – they're like, “It's definitely Optimus, but there's something a little different…” At first, they're like, “Wait, what, who… what Optimus is this?” And by the end of the movie, Optimus has become the guy that you've recognized from the Bay movies. Emotional.|link=https://collider.com/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-michael-bay-movies-producer-comments/|name=Lorenzo di Bonaventura|site=Collider|title='Transformers: Rise of the Beasts' Producer on How It Differs From Michael Bay's Movies|year=2023|month=05|day=24}}</ref> and many reviews of and articles about the film have casually referred to it as a prequel. Some web outlets would even run articles commenting on Paramount's indistinct stance on the movie's (and ''Bumblebee'''s) place in continuity.<ref>[https://www.cbr.com/transformers-7-bumblebee-reboot-mistake "Rise of the Beasts Is Repeating Bumblebee's Worst Mistake" on CBR.com]</ref><ref>[https://movieweb.com/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-is-a-reboot/ "Why Does Paramount Keep Pretending Rise of the Beasts Is Not a Reboot?" on MovieWeb.com]</ref>

Whichever approach you subscribe to, it's pretty clear the decision to set the film in 1994 was one primarily made to avoid having to directly deal with the timeframe of the Bay movies in any capacity, and tell a new story free of their immediate baggage. For what it's worth, the film takes some steps to preserve the broad continuity of at least the first Bay film; the Transwarp Key's energy is explicitly stated to operate on a frequency that humans cannot perceive, meaning that they literally cannot ''see'' the huge sky-beam or the portal. As such, the film ends with the general population of Earth (beyond secret forces within the US government) still entirely unaware of the Transformers' existence, as was the case when the 2007 film began. As the time-gap between these "prequels" and the first movie narrows, though, it becomes increasingly difficult to imagine them fitting together without a lot of hand-waving away of specific details, unless future movies actually start making active attempts to address this.

In terms of active contradictions to established continuity, ''Rise of the Beasts'' appears to take the same approach as ''Bumblebee'' and ignores the events of the final Bay film, 2017's ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'', by depicting Unicron as a separate planet, rather than the Earth itself, as he appeared in that film. However, it's probably important to note that the film lightly implies that the Maximals are time-travellers from the future (see "Transformers references" for more details), which would mean that the Unicron who appears in this film is also from the future. Thus it ''could'' be argued that his appearance here doesn't technically contradict ''The Last Knight''—but of course, that would mean he was trying to eat his own past self.

==Transformers references==
*The Maximals are broadly depicted the same as they were in the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' cartoon: as a "highly-advanced race" of beast-mode Transformers who use transwarp technology to travel to other planets and interact with their native species, whose travels bring them to ancient Earth. Steven Caple Jr. has noted that earlier drafts of the screenplay explicitly depicted the Maximals as time-travellers from the future, as they were in the cartoon, and while the concept is so toned down for the finished movie that it probably won't even occur to general audiences, several references to the idea are still made on-screen. Transwarp technology is stated to open portals in time as well as space; Airazor states that the Maximals are "from both [the Autobots'] past and future"; and Optimus Primal says that he is named after the "legendary" Optimus Prime, which all combine to suggest that the Maximals originate from the future.
*The idea of the Maximals hailing from a [[Jungle Planet (colony)|jungle planet]] originates in [[IDW Publishing]]'s comic books, which depicted many ''Beast Wars'' characters as the residents of the planet Eukaris. The planet is implied to be one of many colonised by Transformers in ages past using space bridges generated by the Transwarp Key, before the planets became separated and the key "lost." This concept of a great era of Cybertronian expansion that led to the foundation of lost colonies on other planets where Cybertronian life evolved in new and different directions dates back to 2005's [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], and became a recurring element in ''Transformers'' series in the 2010s and beyond after it was incorporated into the lore of the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned continuity]].
*Unicron's armies being named the "Terrorcons" hearkens back to both 2004's ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' and 2010's ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'', which both featured the power of Unicron being used to create armies of warriors known as Terrorcons. In particular, the corrupted Airazor's rusted appearance resembles the ''Prime'' Terrorcons, which were also rusted, dilapidated, shambling bots controlled by the will of another.
*Though not identified by name onscreen, Unicron's army includes multiple duplicates of a robotic scorpion identified by the movie's toyline as "Predacon Scorponok." The idea of "Scorponok" being a mass-produced "species" of robots has recently been seen in the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|''War for Cybertron'' cartoon]], where both [[Scorponok (G1)|Generation 1 Scorponok]] ''and'' [[Scorponok (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Scorponok]] were treated this way.
*The Maximals vow to keep the Transwarp Key hidden and safeguard life "no matter the cost," evoking Optimus Prime's iconic line from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'': "Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost."
*Optimus Prime's design features alterations from his earlier ''Bumblebee'' appearance that are influenced by his appearance in the first three Bay films; he has silver hands, feet, sun visors, angled chest windows, retractable orange [[Dual Energon Swords|Energon swords]], a handheld orange [[Energon-axe]] (which transforms out of his arm, coincidentally similar to the [[Optimus Prime (ES)|''Earthspark'' version]]), and a mask-less face sporting similar details. Arcee also transforms into a {{w|Ducati}} motorcycle, like her ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' character.
*Scourge combines aspects of his [[Scourge (G1)|Generation 1]], [[Scourge (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'']] and [[Scourge (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'']] namesakes; he's a herald of Unicron like G1 Scourge, transforms into a black Optimus Prime-like truck like ''RID'' Scourge and hails from a colony world like ''Cybertron'' Scourge. The various insignia he wears as trophies include the symbols of the [[Decepticon]]s, [[Autobot]]s, [[Maximal]]s, [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s, [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcon]]s, [[Mercenary|Mercenaries]] and [[Wreckers]].
*More obscure characters appear such as Apelinq, who originates from a [[Apelinq (BM)#Toys|BotCon 2000 toy]] and tie-in [[3H Productions]] comics, and Stratosphere, returning from the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' toyline.
*When [[Nightbird (ROTB)|Nightbird]] lands at the Museum following the carnage, she makes some [[Starscream (Movie)|very familiar warbling noises]] when she moves.
*The two music tracks used in Unicron's scenes feature segments taken from [[Vince DiCola]]'s "Unicron's Theme" in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
*Scourge stands and talks to Unicron's face from inside his body, similar to a scene with their characters from the Generation 1 episode, "[[Ghost in the Machine (G1)|Ghost in the Machine]]".
*The symbols Elena studies are Maximal [[Cybertronix]], from the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon. The access code Elena assembles doesn't translate to anything, and simply reads "XQB," but the text on the side of the Transwarp Key (written in a combination of mirrored and upside-down symbols) reads: "He Who Opens The Door."
*The authors of the paper Elena reads about Peru's unexplained glyphs are Asahi Takara and Daniel H. Tomy, a reference to [[TakaraTomy]], Hasbro's longtime business partner in Transformers toys.
*After meeting Optimus Prime for the first time, Noah incorrectly calls him "Optimal". "Optimal Optimus" is the name of the original [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#OptimalOptimus|Optimus Primal's Transmetal 2 body]].
*When proposing different alternate modes to Noah, Mirage briefly turns into an F1 car, a reference to [[Mirage (G1)|his Generation 1 counterpart]]'s alternate mode. He also turns into a Lamborghini Countach, which was just a really cool, sexy car, but also famous in ''Transformers'' lore for being the alternate mode of [[Sideswipe (G1)|Generation 1 Sideswipe]], [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], and [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]]. He then claims that he can also turn into a Ferrari, the alternate mode of ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Dino]], whose name in media outside of that movie was "Mirage".
*Mirage is incredulous over the news that musician [[Mark Wahlberg]] is leaving his band, the Funky Bunch, and going into acting—a good-natured jab at the actor's [[Cade Yeager|leading role]] in the earlier ''Transformers'' movies, ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'' and ''The Last Knight''.
*Scourge name-drops [[Primus]] as he taunts Optimus Prime, the first reference to the Transformers' creator god in any of the live-action movies.
*Scourge injures Prime's left flank in the museum battle, which mirrors the injuries [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] gave to the original [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] in ''The Transformers: The Movie.'' Prime even grasps the wound in the same way his predecessor did.
*Airazor explains that Unicron imbues his heralds with a "dark energy," which increases their power, but also has a corrupting effect—almost certainly a reference to [[Dark Energon]], the life-energy of Unicron introduced in the Aligned continuity.
*Unicron psychically tortures Scourge from afar in the same way he did [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] in ''The Transformers: The Movie''.
*When Optimus Primal talks to Optimus Prime about how the Maximals trust the humans, he says there's "[[More than Meets the Eye (disambiguation)|more to them than meets the eye]]".
*Optimus states the Cybertronian belief that "the battle with darkness" will continue: "[['Til all are one]]." This phrase, and the idea of a day prophesied in Cybertron legend when it will come to pass, originates with ''The Transformers: The Movie,'' and is here used to thematically connect with the shared struggle of the Autobots, Maximals, and humans.
*When the heroes are lining up for the final battle, brown fins briefly pop out of the sides of Wheeljack's head, evoking his [[Wheeljack (G1)|Generation 1 design]].
*As the heroes charge towards the Terrorcon army, Optimus Primal commands Rhinox and Cheetor to "Maximize!", which was the Maximal [[activation code]] from the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon.
*Optimus Primal briefly fights with his double bladed scimitar from his [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Beast Wars|original toy]].
*In the final battle, when Unicron sends an army of Freezers to reinforce his minions on Earth, they make their descent in the form of yellow-and-black orbs, which appears to be a nod to Unicron's [[Mini-Con]] from ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', the yellow-and-black sphere, [[Dead End (Armada)|Dead End]].
*The armored suit Mirage forms over Noah is conceptually an homage to the Generation 1 [[exosuit]]s, while its overall design hews closer to [[Kicker Jones]]' battlesuit from ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]''.
*In a glorious homage to [[Transformers (film)|the 2007 movie]], the musical highlight of [[Steve Jablonsky]]'s "Arrival to Earth" plays as Optimus, Noah, and Primal escape the collapsing transwarp portal's suction.
* Optimus Prime's final speech is set to a remixed version of the track "No Sacrifice, No Victory" from the 2007 movie's score, which was also reprised for the endings of ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' and ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]''.
*[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and Transformers have frequently crossed over in comics and the occasional toyline over the years, though this marks the first time the two have co-existed in a feature film. Notably, the G.I. Joe insignia on Burke's business card is the version introduced in the film ''G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra''.
*When Reek and Noah are repairing Mirage at the end of the film, Reek says "Even Stevens," a possible allusion to [[Shia LaBeouf]], who starred in the [[Sam Witwicky|leading role]] in the first three ''Transformers'' movies and prior to that starred as the main character in the Disney Channel sitcom ''Even Stevens''.

==Real-life references==
*A TV screen briefly shows news coverage of the {{w|Murder trial of O. J. Simpson#Bronco chase|O.J. Simpson white Ford Bronco car chase}}, which places the events of the film near June 17, 1994.
*Throughout the film, Noah and Kris use the codenames "[[Sonic the Hedgehog (character)|Sonic]]" and "{{w|Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog)|Tails}}" (and in one instance, Mirage is referred to as "{{w|Knuckles the Echidna|Knuckles}}"), a nod to the characters from the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog (video game)|Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' videogame series.
*Kris wears a shirt of the ''Mighty Morphin' [[Saban Entertainment|Power Rangers]]'', another property owned by Hasbro. A poster of said series also appears on his wall.
*Kris is heard playing ''Super Mario Bros.'' on his [[Game Boy]]. However, see "Errors".
*Kris attempts to comfort Noah after his unsuccessful interview by relating his struggle to [[Superman|Superman's]] difficulty finding a job before being hired by the {{w|Daily Planet}}.
*When Mirage compliments Noah after the car chase, he quotes the line "I like it a lot" from ''Dumb and Dumber''. However, see "Errors".
*Noah calls Mirage {{w|E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial|E.T.}} for obvious reasons. He also makes a reference to [[Indiana Jones]] when discovering the hidden temple in Peru.
*Bumblebee drops various voice lines from famous real-life films throughout the whole movie, including ''{{w| Die Hard}}'', ''[[Spaceballs]]'', ''{{w| A Few Good Men}}'' and ''{{w| Scarface (1983 film)|Scarface}}.''
*Elena sings the TLC song "{{w|Waterfalls (TLC song)|Waterfalls}}" to herself during the flight to Peru. However, see "Errors".
*When meeting Primal, Elena brings up the {{w|Nazca Lines}}, asking if the Maximals were responsible for creating them. [[Order of the Witwiccans|In this case]], however, Primal takes no credit for human ingenuity.
*Mirage calls Optimus Primal "{{w|Donkey Kong (character)|Donkey Kong}}".
*At the end of the film, Elena appears on the CBS news program ''[[60 Minutes]]''; host [[Lesley Stahl]] makes a cameo appearance as herself during the segment.
*The award on the wall that serves as the hidden switch to access the G.I. Joe base reads "Real Hero Award" with the image of an American flag, referencing the subtitle of the original G.I. Joe cartoon series: "A Real American Hero".

==Errors==
*When Scourge kills Apelinq, he welds his Maximal insignia to his right shoulder, but throughout the rest of the film, Apelinq's insignia is gone. In the same scene, Scourge says "They never learn...", but his mouth is not moving.
*Though the "you died!" music and mention of Bowser imply Kris is playing ''Super Mario Bros.'' on his Game Boy, that game wouldn't see a release on the system until 1999's ''[https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_Bros._Deluxe Super Mario Bros. Deluxe]'' on the Game Boy Color. The only Mario platformers released for Game Boy by 1994 were the ''Super Mario Land'' games, which featured different antagonists and music.
*When Reek yells down the street as Noah and Kris depart, his dialogue does not match with his lips.
*Elena sings "Waterfalls" to calm herself down. Assuming the film takes place in the summer, as implied by the aforementioned coverage of the O.J. Simpson chase, it would still be a few months until the November 1994 release of the album ''CrazySexyCool'', which the song first appeared on.
*Similarly, Mirage quotes a line from ''Dumb and Dumber'', a film that would not release until December 1994.
*When the Autobots arrive at Cuzco, they land at the citadel of [[Sacsayhuamán]], an Inca fortress on the northern outskirts of the city, and the site is deserted. Even on a normal day it should be crawling with tourists, but the Autobots are specifically said to arrive during the [[Inti Raymi]] festival... whose central activity is a recreation of an Inca ceremony ''at'' Sacsayhuamán.
*The doors that go onto Wheeljack's back are unmarked brown in the scene of him transforming from van mode, but feature text on them in the very next cut where he is in robot mode.
*When Wheeljack audibly gasps at Noah assuming he can speak Spanish, his mouth is not moving.
*When Wheeljack is recovering from being attacked by Rhinox, his mouth is not moving as he says "Ay-ay-ay."
*As the heroes are walking through the jungle, the scene cuts to Elena while she is saying "So, what are you?", which does not match with her lips.
*The fight with the brainwashed Airazor takes place at Machu Picchu, which nobody is witness to, as again it is completely deserted. It should be crawling with tourists, the staff that work at the site, the guests and staff of the lodge located right next to the complex, or the population of the town of Aguas Calientes at the base of the mountain.
*When Scourge walks away with second half of the key, his left arm switches from the claw to the cannon between shots.
*Elena audibly whimpering in Bumblebee as he drives through hoards of Freezers does not match with her lips.
*The promo for ''60 Minutes'' uses the program's contemporary imaging, including the use of the current CBS News logotype above that of the show.
*A green car that was smashed and thrown in the Museum scene was a B5.5 Volkswagen Passat which would not be released until 2001.

==Music==
A score album, ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (Music from the Motion Picture)]]'', was released alongside the film on June 9, 2023. Paramount also compiled a Spotify Playlist, ''[[Transformers Rise of the Beats]]'', featuring songs that appeared in the film.

==Reception==
{{quote|Thanks to some genuine human drama between the set pieces and palpable affection for the title characters, Transformers: Rise of the Beasts is one of the franchise's more enjoyable outings.|Critics Consensus|[https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_rise_of_the_beasts Rotten Tomatoes]}}

==Development details==

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* March 27, 2015 — [[Paramount Pictures]] negotiates with [[Akiva Goldsman]], hiring him to create a "writer's room" with the intention of building a cinematic universe.<ref name="goldsman">[http://deadline.com/2015/03/transformers-akiva-goldsman-paramount-sequels-spinoffs-1201400027/ Paramount Enlisting Akiva Goldsman To Ramp Up 'Transformers' Output] on deadline.com</ref> Goldsman goes on to hire a number of writers over the next few months: [[Steven DeKnight]] (''Daredevil''),<ref>[http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/transformers-cinematic-universe/35696/transformers-cinematic-details-more-writers-over-10-films Transformers cinematic details]</ref> [[Robert Kirkman]] (''The Walking Dead''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom">[http://deadline.com/2015/05/transformers-writers-robert-kirkman-zak-penn-art-marcum-matt-holloway-jeff-pinkner-1201430601/ 'Transformers' Spinoff & Sequel Scribes Set] on Deadline.com</ref> [[Art Marcum]] and [[Matt Holloway]] (''Iron Man''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Christina Hodson]] (''Shut In'', ''The Fugitive''),<ref name="hodsonbeer">[http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/446175-christina-hodson-and-lindsey-beer-join-transformers-writing-team Christina Hodson and Lindsey Beer Join the Transformers Writing Team]</ref> [[Lindsey Beer]] (''Dig''),<ref name="hodsonbeer" /> [[Zak Penn]] (''Pacific Rim 2''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Jeff Pinkner]] (''The Amazing Spider-Man 2'', ''Lost''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Andrew Barrer]] and [[Gabriel Ferrari]] (''Ant-Man''),<ref name="barrerferrari">[http://deadline.com/2015/05/transformers-ant-man-andrew-barrer-gabriel-ferrari-cybertron-1201433402/ 'Ant-Man' Scribes Andrew Barrer & Gabriel Ferrari Join 'Transformers' Writers Room] on Deadline</ref> [[Ken Nolan]] (''Black Hawk Down''), and [[Geneva Robertson-Dworet]].<ref name="nolandworet">[http://www.slashfilm.com/transformers-writers-room/ Akiva Goldsman Teases 'Transformers' Franchise Plans]</ref> Involved in the pitching process are [[Steven Spielberg]], [[Michael Bay]], [[Brian Goldner]], [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]], [[Mark Vahradian]], and [[Don Murphy]].<ref name="deadlinereveal">[http://deadline.com/2015/09/transformers-writers-room-akiva-goldsman-transformers-5-1201531918/ 'Transformers' Writers Room Wraps] on Deadline</ref>
* October 3, 2015 — During his keynote speech at the MIP Junior Conference, [[Allspark (company)|Allspark]]'s [[Stephen J. Davis]] notes that the writing team has come up with film concepts for Transformers 5, 6, 7, and 8.<ref name="stephendaviskeynote">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_P2fw_DlS4&t=812 Stephen Davis's keynote speech] at MIPJunior.</ref>
* February 12, 2016 — At [[Toy Fair 2016]], Hasbro reveals the projected release date of Transformers 7, along with the dates for the two preceding films.<ref name="toyfairreveal" />
* September 23, 2017 — At Licensing Europe 2017, Hasbro announces Transformers 7 will have an "entirely new, exciting storyline".<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/23/2019-transformers-movie-feature-entirely-new-storyline-349463 2019 Transformers Movie To Feature An Entirely New Storyline] on TFW2005</ref>
* February 16, 2018 — Hasbro clarifies at [[Toy Fair 2018]] that the film will be a reset of the franchise and has been delayed indefinitely until a new creative team is in place.<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/02/16/transformers-cinematic-universe-current-movie-series-rebooted-358641 Transformers Cinematic Universe Is Over: Current Movie Series To Be Rebooted] on TFW2005</ref>
* May 24, 2018 — Paramount drops the film from their release schedule.<ref>[http://collider.com/transformers-7-cancelled/amp/ Paramount Officially Pulls the Next 'Transformers' Sequel from Their Release Date Schedule] on Collider</ref>
* March 15, 2019 — di Bonaventura states a sequel to ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' is in development.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/two-sequels-in-transformers-live-action-franchise-confirmed-in-development/43083/ Two Sequels in Transformers Live Action Franchise Confirmed in Development] on Seibertron</ref>
* March 18, 2019 — di Bonaventura claims that the next main ''Transformers'' film will be a reboot closely tied to the ''Bumblebee'' sequel, rather than a direct sequel to ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]''. Either way, Paramount will pick the best script for ''Transformers 7'' and release that first.<ref>[https://www.gamespot.com/articles/bumblebee-producer-says-next-transformers-movie-wi/1100-6465652/ Bumblebee Producer Says Next Transformers Movie Will Be A Reboot] on GameSpot</ref>
[[File:Stevencaplejr autobot cast.jpg|thumb|250px|[[Arcee (G1)|KARR]] [[GEEWUN|NOT BIKE!]]]]
[[File:Stevencaplejr terrorcon cast.jpg|thumb|250px|Actually, [[Megatron (Movie)#Dark of the Moon film|not the first time]] The Transformers meet {{w|Mad Max|Mad Max}}...]]
* January 27, 2020 — Variety reports two ''Transformers'' films are being penned, to be produced simultaneously: one written by [[James Vanderbilt]], another to be written by [[Joby Harold]].<ref>[https://variety.com/2020/film/news/transformers-franchise-revamp-bumblebee-james-vanderbilt-joby-harold-1203482496/ ‘Transformers’ Franchise Gets a Revamp With Two Separate Films in the Works] on Variety</ref> Deadline reports that Vanderbilt's script is for a spin-off film based on ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'', while Harold's script continues the story from the ''Bumblebee'' film.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2020/01/transformers-movies-paramount-1202843234/ Dual ‘Transformers’ Movies In The Works At Paramount] on Deadline</ref>
* May 2, 2020 — [[Hasbro]] CEO [[Brian Goldner]] confirms that a new Transformers live-action movie is slated to release on [[June 24]], 2022. However, only one between Harold's ''Bumblebee'' sequel and Vanderbilt's ''Beast Wars'' film will make it to production first.
* August 21, 2020 — New Republic Pictures is announced as a new co-financier for Paramount in a ten-picture deal in the wake of the success of 2019's ''Rocketman''.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2020/08/paramount-pictures-new-republic-pictures-10-picture-cofinancing-deal-top-gun-maverick-1203018250/ New Republic Pictures Signs 10-Pic Co-Fi Deal With Paramount Pictures; ‘Top Gun: Maverick’ Among Films] on Deadline</ref>
* November 16, 2020 — [[Steven Caple Jr.]] is announced as the director.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2020/11/transformers-director-steven-caple-jr-1234613830/ Transformers’: ‘Creed 2’ Director Steven Caple Jr. Tapped To Direct Next Installment In Paramount And Hasbro Franchise] on Deadline</ref>
* April 1, 2021 — [[Anthony Ramos]] is in talks for a starring role.<ref>[https://collider.com/transformers-7-cast-anthony-ramos/ Exclusive: Anthony Ramos in Talks to Star in New 'Transformers' Movie] at Collider</ref>
* April 29, 2021 — [[Dominique Fishback]] is in final negotiations to star in the film.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2021/04/transformers-dominique-fishback-anthony-ramos-paramount-eone-and-hasbro-franchise-1234746855/ 'Transformers': Dominique Fishback Lands Lead Role Opposite Anthony Ramos In Next Installment For The Paramount Franchise] on Deadline</ref>
* June 13, 2021 — A casting call sheet for filming in Montreal reveals that the film is set in [[1992]].<ref>[https://www.transformersfr.com/t5190p250-parlons-des-films-transformers-a-venir#190206 Rumeur ― le "7ème Film Transformers en prise de vue réelle" se déroulerait en 1992] on transformersfr.com</ref>
* June 22, 2021 — A Paramount virtual event is held in which the movie's title, premise, and few of the characters and cast are unveiled (revealing it to be both the ''Bumblebee'' and ''Beast Wars'' films in one).<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Currently attending a Paramount virtual event about the next #Transformers film. Report to follow!|link=https://twitter.com/search?q=(from%3ABWTF_Ben)%20until%3A2021-06-23%20since%3A2021-06-22|name=Ben Yee|site=Twitter|year=2021|month=06|day=22}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|link=https://bwtf.com/news/rise-of-the-beasts-character-descriptions|name=Ben Yee|site=BWTF|title=Movie News: "Transformers: Rise of the Beasts" Character Descriptions|year=2021|month=06|day=22}}</ref> The film's logo and official premise are also unveiled on official Transformers social media accounts.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The battle on Earth is no longer just between Autobots and Decepticons… Maximals, Predacons, and Terrorcons join Transformers: Rise of the Beasts, in theatres June 24, 2022.|link=https://twitter.com/transformers/status/1407422768602181632|name=@transformers|site=Twitter|year=2021|month=06|day=22}}</ref>
* June 28, 2021 — [[Ron Perlman]] is announced to be reprising his role as Optimus Primal from ''[[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes]]''. [[Darnell Metayer]] and [[Josh Peters]] are confirmed as writers, inspired by Joby Harold's earlier draft.<ref>{{citesocial|quote='''Ron Perlman''' has been tapped to voice Optimus Primal in '''''Transformers: Rise of the Beasts''''', Collider has exclusively learned. [...] ''Rise of the Beasts'' will be led by rising stars '''Anthony Ramos''' (''In the Heights'') and '''Dominique Fishback''' (''Judas and the Black Messiah''), and '''Steven Caple Jr.''' (''Creed II'') is directing from a script by '''Darnell Metayer''' and '''Josh Peters''', who worked off an earlier draft by '''Joby Harold'''.|link=https://collider.com/ron-perlman-optimus-primal-voice-transformers-7-rise-of-the-beasts/|name=Jeff Sneider|site=Collider|title=Exclusive: 'Transformers: Rise of the Beasts' Adds Ron Perlman as Voice of Optimus Primal|year=2021|month=06|day=28}}</ref>
* July 11, 2021 — Rapper [[Tobe Nwigwe]] announces on Instagram that he's been cast in the movie.<ref>[https://preview.houstonchronicle.com/music/houston-s-tobe-nwigwe-earns-emmy-nom-16317174 Houston’s Tobe Nwigwe earns Emmy nom, 'Transformers' role] from the Houston Chronicle</ref>
* October 6, 2021 — Caple Jr. reveals the vehicle modes for the Autobot and Terrorcon cast through his Instagram account.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The squad is out…|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/CUsm_wyLory/|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Instagram|year=2021|month=10|day=06}}</ref>
* October 20, 2021 — Filming is completed.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=That’s a wrap 🎬|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/CVOw5z2r9TP/|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Instagram|year=2021|month=10|day=20}}</ref>
* October 21, 2021 — Cuscopolita reports on the vehicles with the film's Peru crew, confirming the unidentified vehicles as [[Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack]] and [[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]].<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.facebook.com/cuscopolitamagazine/videos/1941112319403899|name=Cuscopolita|site=Facebook|title=Exclusiva con los Transformers|year=2021|month=10|day=20}}</ref>
* October 22, 2021 — Ramos makes a guest appearance on [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2021]], confirming Cheetor, his favorite ''Beast Wars'' character, will be in the film.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I am a ''Transformers'' fan, ''Beast Wars'' fan, Cheetor is my #1 favorite of all time, so it's dope to have Cheetor, to be in this movie with Cheetor, it's gonna be crazy.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtxJqrv-bI&t=6051s|name=Anthony Ramos|site=YouTube|title=Hasbro PulseCon 2021 - DAY ONE|year=2021|month=10|day=22}}</ref>
* November 10, 2021 — Paramount announces the film has been delayed to [[June 9]], [[2023]].<ref name="2023release">{{citesocial|quote=Transformers: Rise of the Beasts has moved back a year and will now bow June 9, 2023. It previously was slated for June 24, 2022.|link=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/star-trek-transformers-movie-release-date-1235045937/|name=Aaron Couch|site=The Hollywood Reporter|title=‘Star Trek,’ ‘Transformers’ Movies Pushed Back at Paramount|year=2021|month=11|day=10}}</ref>
* February 15, 2022 — Paramount confirms that ''Rise of the Beasts'' will be the first entry in a trilogy of films.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Transformers: Rise of the Beasts will be released theatrically in 2023 and is the first of three new installments. A new animated series from @Nickelodeon arrives this fall. And in 2024, the franchise expands further with a CG animated Transformers theatrical film. #ParamountPlus|link=https://twitter.com/paramountplus/status/1493706271207292928|name=Paramount+|site=Twitter|year=2022|month=02|day=15}}</ref>
* October 11, 2022 — Caple Jr. reveals through Instagram that [[Pete Davidson]] is the voice of Mirage, and [[Michelle Yeoh]] is the voice of Airazor.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Sneak peek of Pete voicing Mirage & @michelleyeoh_official blessing us as the voice of Air Razor|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/Cjlx3PPPC_J/|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Instagram|year=2022|month=10|day=11}}</ref>
* October 21, 2022 — [[Tobe Nwigwe]] states on an Instagram post that they are doing some re-shoots for ''Rise of the Beasts'', including featuring his character in additional scenes.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The head people from ''Transformers'' said I did so good in my part they wanna add me to some more scenes. So I gotta go shoot some more stuff for ''Transformers''.|link=https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cj9PnevsVb1/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY|name=Tobe Nwigwe|site=Instagram|year=2022|month=10|day=21}}</ref>
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* December 1, 2022 — The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWWDskI46Js official teaser trailer] is released by Paramount Pictures in conjunction with São Paulo's CCXP convention, giving audiences a first glimpse of the film and its various characters, including Mirage, Arcee, Scourge and the Maximals. Multiple voice cast members are also announced.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2022/12/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-peter-dinklage-liza-koshy-john-dimaggio-cast-1235186104/]</ref>
* December 2, 2022 — [[Jongnic Bontemps]] is announced as the film's score composer.<ref>[http://filmmusicreporter.com/2022/12/02/jongnic-bontemps-to-compose-music-for-steven-caple-jr-s-transformers-rise-of-the-beasts/]</ref>
* December 16, 2022 — Caple Jr. shares a clip of Peter Cullen performing on his Instagram account.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=🐐|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/CmPM80yPcsP/|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Instagram|year=2022|month=12|day=16}}</ref>
* December 26, 2022 — Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal make a "guest" appearance on the 2022 [[Nickelodeon]] Nickmas NFL game, showcasing both modes and their transformations.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5X0F_AvY8Q YouTube upload] of a recording for Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal on the 2022 Nickmas NFL game</ref>
* January 31, 2023 — [[Sam Smith]] reveals toy concept art for a new character from the film, [[Freezer]].<ref>https://www.instagram.com/p/CoFlXXNOly1/</ref>
* February 12, 2023 — Paramount airs a 30-second TV spot detailing Mirage's Porsche 911 vehicle mode for Super Bowl LVII in collaboration with Porsche.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2023/02/2023-super-bowl-movie-trailers-the-flash-fast-x-transformers-ant-man-expected-1235247160/ Super Bowl Movie Trailer Spots Will Include ‘The Flash’, ‘Fast X’, ‘Transformers’ & ‘Ant-Man’ — Deadline]</ref>
* April 2, 2023 — During the 2023 NCAA Division I Men's Final Four on CBS, Paramount aired a first-of-its-kind mixed reality TV spot that showed off Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal appearing on a 90s basketball court that transformed from the court the actual basketball match was being played on. A few brief clips from the first trailer were also shown.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeeIfpbUAHg]</ref>
* April 6, 2023 — Actor [[Tongayi Chirisa]] announces on Instagram that he is the voice of Cheetor.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=So there is a story to this!!! Per the usual standard .. I had to sign an NDA, so I had NO IDEA what I was reading for.. it was only when I was in the booth to do my voice over that it dawned on me that I was reading for TRANSFORMERS Like what!!!🤯🤯🤯🤯 I totally geeked out in the moment.. Man, to say this is mad exciting is an understatement... So thankful. So honored, so blessed!!!! Massive shout out and THANK YOU to @stevencaplejr for putting your boi on! Appreciate you, fam!!! @transformersmovie..🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 IT WAS ALL A DREAM!!!! Welcome, y'all. I am your transformer #CHEETOR!!!! Let's goooo!!!!!! #NdezvaMwari #Yeshua #smallbeginnings #ontherise|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/Cqs_PQ1J_s6/|name=Tongayi Chirisa|site=Instagram|year=2023|month=04|day=06}}</ref>
* April 14, 2023 — To promote the film, Optimus Prime introduces Tobe Nwigwe's performance of "[[On My Soul]]" at {{w|Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival|Coachella}}.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Calling all Autobots. @TobeNwigwe and #OptimusPrime have rolled out to #Coachella. #Transformers #RiseOfTheBeasts|link=https://twitter.com/transformers/status/1647069845731803136|name=Transformers|site=Twitter|year=2022|month=04|day=14}}</ref>
* April 27, 2023 — The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itnqEauWQZM official trailer] is released by Paramount Pictures, revealing more of the movie and Unicron's role in the plot, as well as delivering a first, brief look at the Predacons.
* May 6, 2023 — The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxore0Gxwpc first clip] was showcased at the 2023 MTV Movie & TV Awards, showing the Autobots' first interaction with the Maximals.
* May 12, 2023 — The website Puliwood reveals the film's Hungarian dub cast...including the voice of [[Apelinq (ROTB)|Apelinq]], a character that had not yet been announced to be appearing in the film.<ref>[https://www.puliwood.hu/ismertetok/exkluziv-ilyen-szinkronhangokkal-jon-a-transformers-a-fenevadak-kora-325900.html EXKLUZÍV: ilyen szinkronhangokkal jön a Transformers: A fenevadak kora]</ref>
* May 27, 2023 — The film's world premiere is held at Marina Bay Sands in [[Singapore]].
* June 5, 2023 — David Sobolov confirms on Instagram that he is also voicing Apelinq in the film.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/CtIhCcwu4Ld/|quote=#transformers #riseofthebeasts fans… I just saw our epic premiere in Brooklyn! Tonight, I’m excited to reveal that I am the voice… of Apelinq!|name=David Sobolov|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=06|day=05}}</ref>
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===Changes before, during, and after production===
* A Decepticon named [[Transit (ROTB)|Transit]] was a character who was planned to appear early in the film, dispatched from a Decepticon-controlled Cybertron to kill Optimus Prime, before himself being killed by Optimus and dumped into the Hudson River alongside numerous other Decepticons who have tried to do the same in the past few years. [[Steven Caple Jr.]] has indicated that the visual effects for much of the sequence were completed prior to its removal—a result of test audiences finding it too dark—and that he intends to release it as a deleted scene via the film's home media release or otherwise.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=One was this Decepticon scene, Transit, that I've been talking about, because Optimus Prime fights Transit at the beginning of the movie—or at least he ''used'' to—and you find out that Optimus Prime wants to go home. That's all he wants to do, and Cybertron's in deep trouble, and this guy Transit was telling him that "we're just here to kill you", AKA "Cybertron's already ours." And it was a really epic fight scene, and then you saw Optimus Prime dump his body in the Hudson River, and all these Decepticons are dead, and you see he's been hunting for the last few years.|link=https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/1666216854996791298|name=Steven Caple Jr. in a Collider interview|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=6|day=6|(defunct=)}}</ref> The entertainment press reported that Transit was voiced by [[John DiMaggio]] for his removed appearance in the film.<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-everything-we-know/ "Everything we know about Transformers: Rise of the Beasts"] on Entertainment Weekly</ref> Despite not appearing in the final film, DiMaggio is still credited as Transit.
* Earlier drafts of the film more directly referenced the events of ''Bumblebee'', including a scene where Bumblebee shows Prime a photo he carries of himself and [[Charlie Watson]] to try and emphasize his belief that humans are good.<ref name=AltEnding>[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-ending-1235512382/ ‘Transformers: Rise of the Beasts’ Director Steven Caple Jr. Talks That Ending, Hailee Steinfeld and Test Screening Changes — The Hollywood Reporter]</ref>
* Multiple changes were made to the film's ending, which originally had a much darker tone like the scrapped opening. Originally, Mirage wasn't planned to survive the final battle, and Optimus would have been sucked into the portal after destroying the Transwarp Key and wind up floating in space before Unicron in the post-credits scene. Reactions by the audience in test screenings convinced Caple to change the ending to something a bit more hopeful, wanting to let the good guys get a solid win.<ref name=AltEnding/>
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==Notes==
* In a first for the franchise, the lead human actors, multiple writers, the composer, and the director are all people of color.
* This is the first movie in the series not to be worked on by [[Industrial Light & Magic]]; this time around the CG effects were done by [[Moving Picture Company]] and [[WetaFX]].
* Steven Caple Jr. was initially sceptical of working on a ''Transformers'' movie, which at that point in development was being called ''Bumblebee 2'', because he was uncertain about jumping right into another sequel after directing ''{{w|Creed II}}''—however, the incorporation of elements inspired by ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', which Caple Jr. had been a fan of, helped sway him. Upon joining the project, he pitched several revisions, drawing from his enthusiasm for ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' by adding [[Unicron]] (and the [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcon]]s) and Noah's exosuit, along with a prologue on the [[Maximal]]s' homeworld and a new arc for [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] centred around his initial misanthropy.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The first time that- I did ''Creed 2'', and the first time the studio ever knocked on my door, it was for ''Bumblebee 2''. And I was like, "I don't want to do- I just came out from ''Creed 2'', I don't want to do a sequel..." you know? And so a year had gone by—or maybe two, right before COVID—and they said, "we found out the story we want to tackle: we want to bring in ''Beast Wars''." I was like, "I know all about ''Beast Wars'', I'm down for ''Beast Wars''." And so they developed a script on their own, they passed it to me—2020, October 5th, I remember the date—and I jumped right in and I kind of did my own version of the pitch, I said: "I love where you guys are going, you guys want to do New York, you guys want to do the 90s, you want to do Peru, but here's what I'll do, with the characters..." So I changed up Optimus Prime, I gave him a whole pitch on how I would start him with like, not loving humans at first, and not besiding Noah right off the rip, they're gonna have friction between the two... Gave 'em a pitch for Optimus Primal, where they start off in the top of the movie, and I gave them a new Unicron- I mean a new villain, which was Unicron and the Terrorcon squad. I just felt like, as a fan, we've been tiptoeing around Unicron, and all the other films kind of like hinted towards him towards the end, and I just really want to expand the universe and I felt like he was that perfect source to do so, because he tells us there's another world out there, there's more Transformers out there, it's not just Autobots and Decepticons. And then of course the [[exosuit]], that was my idea, it was homage to the 80s cartoon, so... It was a bit of that, pitched it to 'em and they loved the heart, they love where I was going with the direction of the characters, and yeah, they kind of gave me the key to play!|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxUukVwKLCc|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Collider|title=Transformers: Rise of the Beasts Interview: Director Reveals Big Change to Film|year=2023|month=06|day=06}}</ref>
* [[Tobe Nwigwe]]'s character of [[Reek]] was based on a friend of Steven Caple Jr.'s, who passed away before shooting began in 2021.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The way I got the ''Transformers'' role was insane. [...] One of [Steven Caple Jr.'s] best friends was a fan of the music, and his best friend, right, like, as they was getting ready to start shooting the movie... passed. Passed, yeah. And he had Paramount Studios reach out to me to try to play a specific- the best friend role in ''Transformers''. They kind of emulated who his best friend was in real life. He told Paramount [...] "reach out to Tobe and if he send anything back that's even ''halfway'' decent... I want to use him." But because I had never done no acting ever in my life, I just had this script right here, and just read it like I was acting, and just recorded myself on the iPhone and I was like, "yo there's no way in hell..." [...] I did that, sent that in, and they liked it!|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfAoWTKh3R8&t=2638s|name=Tobe Nwigwe|site=Sway's Universe|year=2023|month=01|day=23}}</ref>
*The fourth-wall-breaking [[Mark Wahlberg]] namedrop was ad-libbed by [[Pete Davidson]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=We wanted to break the fourth wall. In all fairness, Pete Davidson made that up in the booth, and we laughed so hard, we're like in tears, and we're like there's no way we could not use this. We had ad-libbed a whole bunch of stuff. One was on, "Beanie Babies was weird", and he was like, what about Marky Mark leaving the Funky Bunch? And we were just in tears. And then we showed the studio and everybody loved it and was like, "let's just break the fourth wall. Do it."|link=https://gizmodo.com/breaking-the-fourth-wall-in-transformers-rise-of-the-b-1850514340|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=io9|title=Breaking the Fourth Wall in ''Transformers: Rise of the Beasts''|year=2023|month=06|day=09}}</ref>
* During the production of the film, Ramos had to acquire a driver's license at Caple Jr.'s behest.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://open.spotify.com/episode/4DDi5f1SL4oESslcZLjhhG|name=Anthony Ramos|site=the Spout Podcast|year=2021}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=I had a two-week window to get an appointment at the DMV, and the DMV was initially uncooperative. Finally, after much haggling, I was able to secure an appointment. I took the test in my mother's car after a few months of practice with an instructor. Fortunately, I was able to pass.|link=https://theplaylist.net/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-anthony-ramos-talks-representation-in-franchises-getting-his-drivers-license-for-the-film-interview-20230607/|name=Anthony Ramos|site=The Playlist|title='Transformers: Rise Of The Beasts': Anthony Ramos Talks Representation In Franchises & Getting His Driver's License For The Film [Interview]|year=2023|month=06|day=07}}</ref>
* During an interview with a fan, voice actor David Sobolov revealed that Caple Jr. would create storyboards using Transformers toys. Awesome!<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdsfclO5etE&t=1106 "ROTB UNICRON IS THRILLING!" | Interview with DAVID SOBOLOV (Rhinox + Battletrap)! - YouTube]</ref>
* According to Caple Jr., Optimus's unmasked face was modeled after Peter Cullen's.
* As a result of Transit's removal, this is the first live-action film to not feature the Decepticons in any capacity.
* To keep the secret of the ''G.I. Joe'' tease at the end of the movie, most copies of the script and the version of the scene shot for test screenings all used [[Sector Seven]] instead. Michael Kelly also didn't know the big twist with his character until he arrived on set. Caple Jr. even had only a single ''G.I. Joe'' business card printed, on the day of filming, and took it from the set himself afterwards for safekeeping!<ref>{{citesocial|quote=There was one version of the script that mentioned the G.I. Joe reveal. All other copies, including the one in the studio's possession, described the military organization as Sector 7. "That way no one could leak the script," Caple notes. [...] Caple says they shot two versions of Kelly's scene, one where Burke's business card reads Sector 7 and one where the card reads G.I. Joe, so audiences in test screenings wouldn't know the true reveal. There was only one copy of the G.I. Joe business card, and Caple took that himself from set for safe keeping. "I was like, 'I'm taking this. I don't want this to be found on the floor,'" he says. "I actually didn't have them printed out until that day [on set]. We were very cautious of it, man. We were really trying to be as secretive as possible."|link=https://ew.com/movies/transformers-g-i-joe-crossover-plans/|name=Nick Romano|site=Entertainment Weekly|title=Inside the top-secret plans for Transformers and G.I. Joe|year=2023|month=06|day=12}}</ref>
*This is the first live-action Transformers movie where the Japanese dub wasn't sound directed by [[Keiichirō Miyoshi]] but instead it is directed by [[Yoshikazu Iwanami]] who had been responsible for the original Beast Wars cartoons dubs localization.

===Foreign names===
* ''Japanese:'' '''''Transformers/Beast Kakusei''''' (トランスフォーマー/ビースト覚醒 ''Toransufōmā Bīsuto Kakusei'', "Transformers: Beast Awakening")
* ''Cantonese:'' '''''Bin3jing4 Gam1gong1: Kwong4sau3 Gwat6hei2''''' (變形金剛：狂獸崛起, "Transformers: Rise of the Beasts")
* ''French:'' '''''Transformers : Le Réveil des Bêtes''''' (Canada, "Transformers: The Awakening of the Beasts")
* ''German:'' '''''Transformers: Aufstieg der Bestien''''' ("Transformers: Rise of the Beasts")
* ''Hungarian:'' '''''Transformers: A fenevadak kora''''' ("Transformers: The Age of the Beasts")
* ''Italian: '' '''''Transformers: Il Risveglio''''' ("Transformers: The Awakening")
* ''Mandarin:'' '''''Biànxíng Jīngāng: Wàn Shòu Juéqǐ''''' (Taiwan, 變形金剛：萬獸崛起, "Transformers: Rise of the Beasts"), '''''Biànxíng Jīngāng: Chāonéng Yǒngshì Juéqǐ''''' (China, 变形金刚：超能勇士崛起, "Transformers: Rise of the Beast Wars")
* ''Portuguese:'' '''''Transformers: O Despertar das Feras''''' (Brazil, "Transformers: The Awakening of the Beasts")
* ''Spanish:'' '''''Transformers: El Despertar de las Bestias''''' ("Transformers: The Awakening of the Beasts")
* ''Russian:'' '''''Transformery: Voskhozhdeniye Zverobotov''''' (Трансформеры: Восхождение Звероботов, "Transformers: Rise of the Beastbots")
* ''Ukrainian:'' '''''Transformery: Chas Zvirobotiv''''' (Трансформери: Час Звіроботів, "Transformers: Time of the Beastbots")

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'''''Transformers: Rise of the Beasts''''' is the seventh film in the [[live-action film series]], serving both as a sequel to ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' and a tribute to ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]''. The film is directed by [[Steven Caple Jr.]] and written by [[Joby Harold]], [[Darnell Metayer]], [[Josh Peters]], [[Erich Hoeber]], and [[Jon Hoeber]]. Originally expected to be released on [[June 28]], [[2019]],<ref name="toyfairreveal">[http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/02/12/transformers-5-transformers-6-bumblebee-spin-off-movie-revealed-309503 Transformers 5, Transformers 6 And Bumblebee Spin-Off Movie Revealed] ToyFair news at TFW2005</ref> the film was delayed multiple times until finally being released on [[June 9]], [[2023]].<ref name="2023release"/>

When [[Noah Diaz]], a struggling young man trying to provide for his family, is roped into a conflict between the marooned [[Autobot]]s and the recently arrived [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcons]], he must learn to work with weary Autobot leader [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] so they, with the help of the wise [[Maximal]]s and the unadventurous researcher [[Elena Wallace]], can stop the arrival of the planet-eater [[Unicron]].

==Synopsis==
[[File:ROTBcap-Unicronringedplanet.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|This is one unusual planet... whatever it is.]]

Somewhere in time and space, the dark god [[Unicron]] and his minions invade a [[Jungle Planet (colony)|jungle world]] populated by [[Maximal]]s. Unicron, seeking a way to cross galaxies, sends his [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcon]] herald [[Scourge (ROTB)|Scourge]] to retrieve the [[Transwarp Key]], an advanced device that can open portals in space-time. Although the Maximals attempt to fight back, their leader [[Apelinq (ROTB)|Apelinq]] entrusts [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|Optimus Primal]] and a small group of Maximals—[[Airazor (ROTB)|Airazor]], [[Cheetor (ROTB)|Cheetor]], and [[Rhinox (ROTB)|Rhinox]]—with the Transwarp Key and orders them to keep the artifact from Unicron. As Primal and his followers use the key to escape their doomed planet and flee to prehistoric [[Earth]], Scourge kills Apelinq after a brief fight and takes his [[insignia]] as a trophy.

Thousands of years later, in the year [[1994]], ex-military electronics expert [[Noah Diaz]] attempts to find a job to support his sick brother [[Kris Diaz|Kris]]. However, after another failed interview, his friend [[Reek]] convinces him to steal an expensive car from a nearby hotel. However, the "car" turns out to be the Autobot [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]] in disguise, who takes the terrified Noah on a joyride through the streets of [[New York City]]. At the same time, a museum on Ellis Island comes into possession of an unusual stone falcon with a Maximal insignia. After closing hours, museum intern [[Elena Wallace]] investigates the statue and accidentally breaks it open to reveal half of the Transwarp Key. The artifact releases an energy pulse that attracts the attention of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the other Autobots, who have been stranded on Earth since their evacuation of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] seven years prior. Prime summons the nearest Autobots—[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], and Mirage, who arrives at the meeting spot with Noah in tow. Although Optimus distrusts humans, he believes that they can use the Transwarp Key to return home and liberate their homeworld; eventually, Mirage hatches a scheme to sneak into the museum and have Noah steal the key for them.

[[File:ROTB-ScourgeBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66|A treacherous, underhanded sneak attack! I like you, pussycat, yes.]]

Unbeknownst to the Autobots, the accidental activation of the Transwarp Key summons the Terrorcons to Earth. Noah meets Elena inside the museum, but cannot convince her to turn over the relic before the Terrorcons attack; despite Prime's best efforts, Scourge successfully overpowers the Autobot leader, steals the Transwarp Key, and mortally injures Bumblebee before Airazor arrives to help drive the villains away. Airazor explains that the Maximals have been on Earth for millennia, and deliberately split the Transwarp Key in half to prevent Unicron or his followers from using it. The loss of Bumblebee only further galvanizes Optimus's resolve that they must reassemble the key and return home; Noah, fearful of Unicron's arrival, tells Elena that they must destroy the key to protect their own homeworld.

Elena deduces that the other half of the key is located in a hidden temple in [[Peru]], and Prime recruits the airborne Autobot [[Stratosphere]] to take them there. Near the city of [[Cusco]], the Autobot [[Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack]] guides them to the temple, located beneath a [[Convent of Santo Domingo|local monastery]]. A festival prevents the Autobots from moving through the city inconspicuously; as a result, Noah and Elena must make the journey on foot. The pair discover a hidden mechanism that leads to a hidden temple with a stone sarcophogus but find that the other half of the key is no longer inside it. The Terrorcons attack again, and although the Autobots are able to evade the villains, the conflict ends with Scourge infecting Airazor with a portion of Unicron's dark energy. On the other side of the temple, Noah and Elena encounter Optimus Primal and the other two Maximals, who, after a brief standoff, agree to join forces with the Autobots. Optimus Primal explains that they entrusted the Transwarp Key to a tribe of humans who live near the [[energon]]-rich valley that Primal and his followers inhabit—while Optimus Prime distrusts humanity, Primal has lived among them for millennia, and has come to view them as friends and even allies.

The next morning, however, Scourge's corruption finally overtakes Airazor; in the ensuing battle, Primal is forced to kill her to save Elena. Amidst the chaos, Noah makes an attempt to destroy their half of the Transwarp Key until Optimus convinces him to stand down. However, amidst the chaos, Scourge and the Terrorcons steal the other half of the key and relocate to a nearby volcano, which they reshape into a massive portal that will summon Unicron to Earth.
Having found some common ground between their two races, Optimus Prime and Noah agree to work together; while the Autobot-Maximal alliance battle Unicron's minions, Noah and Elena attempt to sneak into the Terrorcon base and deactivate the [[Unspace|transwarp]] device with a manual shutdown code based on Elena's studies of the Maximal language. Mirage attempts to distract Scourge so that the humans can complete their mission, but the Terrorcon leader gravely injures him; with the last of his strength, Mirage reshapes his body into an [[exosuit]] for Noah. As Unicron begins pushing his way through the portal to Earth and sending down an army of [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Scorponok (ROTB)|Scorponoks]] as reinforcements, the energy pulses released by the key ignite the nearby energon deposits and restore Bumblebee to life. As Bumblebee joins the fight, Optimus Prime gains the upper hand and finally kills Scourge, but not before the Terrorcon damages the console and leaves the heroes unable to close the portal. With no other options, Prime destroys the key and triggers a devastating implosion, but Noah and Primal successfully rescue the Autobot leader from falling into the collapsing vortex.

In the aftermath, the surviving Maximals remain in Peru, while the Autobots return to America. Elena is recognized for her archeological discovery, while Noah applies for another security job—but discovers that the job opportunity is actually a front for a clandestine government organization codenamed "[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]," who promise to cover his brother's treatment going forward.

Some time later, Noah has used spare Porsche parts to cobble together a new body for Mirage, and reveals his existence to a bewildered Reek.

==Cast==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Autobot]]s / [[Maximal]]s|c1=
;Autobots
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
* [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]] ([[Pete Davidson]])
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] ([[Liza Koshy]])
* [[Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack]] ([[Cristo Fernández]])
* [[Stratosphere]] ([[John DiMaggio]])

;Maximals
* [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|Optimus Primal]] ([[Ron Perlman]])
* [[Airazor (ROTB)|Airazor]] ([[Michelle Yeoh]])
* [[Rhinox (ROTB)|Rhinox]] ([[David Sobolov]])
* [[Cheetor (ROTB)|Cheetor]] ([[Tongayi Chirisa]])
* [[Apelinq (ROTB)|Apelinq]] (David Sobolov)

|h2=[[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcon]]s / [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s|c2=
;Terrorcons
* [[Scourge (ROTB)|Scourge]] ([[Peter Dinklage]])
* [[Nightbird (ROTB)|Nightbird]] ([[Michaela Jaé Rodriguez]])
* [[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]] (David Sobolov)
* [[Freezer]]

;Predacons
* [[Scorponok (ROTB)|Scorponok]]

|h3=[[Human]]s|c3=
* [[Noah Diaz]] ([[Anthony Ramos]])
* [[Elena Wallace]] ([[Dominique Fishback]])
* [[Breanna Diaz]] ([[Luna Lauren Velez]])
* [[Kris Diaz]] ([[Dean Scott Vasquez]])
* [[Reek]] ([[Tobe Nwigwe]])
* [[Jillian Robertson]] ([[Sarah Stiles]])
* [[Bishop (ROTB)|Bishop]] ([[Aidan Devine]])
* [[Mrs. Greene]] ([[Leni Parker]])
* [[Amaru]] ([[Lucas Huarancca]])
;[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]
* [[Agent Burke]] ([[Michael Kelly (actor)|Michael Kelly]])

|h4=Others|c4=
* [[Unicron]] ([[Colman Domingo]])
|nonumbering=true
}}

==Quotes==
"There’s a legend that precedes the dawn of our civilization: a vile god so large, so powerful, that it consumes entire planets as fuel. Few believed such a thing could be true, until the day we saw Unicron with our own eyes…"
:—'''Optimus Primal's''' opening narration.

"I'll hold him off, buy you some time." 
"Then I'm staying with you." 
"This is my fight. Listen, if Unicron were to get the key, he could open a portal through [[Transwarp Drive|time and space]], with no end to the worlds he could destroy. It is now your time to lead the [[Maximal|Maximals]]... Optimus Primal."
:—'''Apelinq''' passing the torch to '''Optimus Primal'''.

"So you're this planet's... ''great'' warrior. You have such a beautiful world, filled with an abundance of life. Savory."
:—'''Scourge''' waxes poetic to Apelinq.

"Benefits, to serving the almighty Unicron."
:—'''Scourge''' taking Apelinq's insignia and placing it on himself [[Lockdown (Animated)|as a trophy]].

"Okay, what are the rules?" 
"Bros before hoes." 
''[Noah glares at Kris]'' 
''(sigh)'' "Don't be a problem. Don't go looking for a problem—" 
"Or else we're gonna have a problem."
:—'''Noah''' and '''Kris''' clarify the rules.

"I ain't breaking into a museum for some space robots." 
"But what about for friendship?" 
''[Noah stares at Mirage incredulously]'' 
"Then what about for cash?"
:—'''Noah''' wants out. '''Mirage''' wants him in.

''"You can't handle the truth!"'' 
"I do not want you going to that drive-in theater anymore."
:— '''Bumblebee's''' references grate on '''Optimus Prime'''.

"Stop following me!" 
"I'm not following you, I'm just escaping in the same direction!"
:—'''Elena''' and '''Noah''' run from the pursuing Freezers.

"And you call yourself a Prime...Primus would be ''ashamed.''"
:—'''Scourge''' isn't too impressed with Optimus Prime.

"I'm going to take back Scourge's key, and then...''take off his head.''"
:—The origins of '''Optimus Prime's''' "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" phase.

"I love your fire, Prime, but you're going to die on this speck of dust." 
"I can think of no better place to bury you!"
:—'''Scourge''' has gotten on '''Optimus Prime's''' last nerve

"I am sorry, Noah." 
"You were looking out for your own. I can't even be angry at you for that." 
"On my homeworld, we believe that the battle with darkness will continue [['Til all are one|'til all are one]]. I lost sight of that. You fought for yours as I fought for mine, when we should've been fighting the darkness together." 
"But I ain't done fighting yet."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Noah''' have a moment as Unicron approaches.

"''I have come here to kick ass!''"
:—'''Bumblebee''' announces his return with a clear message.

"Time to show you the real power of a Prime!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' lays the smackdown on Scourge. An ass kicker cometh.

"Don't, Prime. I can give you everything you want." 
"Then DIE!"
:—'''Unicron's''' temptation falls flat in '''Optimus Prime's''' face.

"I am Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots. We have lost the Transwarp Key, and with it, our ability to go home. But we have gained an ally in our battle against the forces of evil. Forces too powerful for any of us to defeat on our own, but together, we might just have a chance."
:—'''Optimus Prime's''' closing narration. We missed them.

"I am Noah Diaz. What is there to know about me? I was raised out in Brooklyn. I got a little bro who calls me Sonic, and if I gotta help save the universe in order to help save the people I love, well then that's what I'm gonna do."
:—'''Noah''' does his own closing narration.

==Continuity notes==
''Rise of the Beasts'' is a direct sequel to 2018's ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' film, taking place seven years after its events, in 1994. The plot of the film has little impact on this one, beyond it being established that the Autobots have been stranded on Earth since arriving at its end. While waiting for Noah to infiltrate the museum, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee have a conversation that alludes to Bee's time with [[Charlie Watson]].

More notably, ''Rise of the Beasts'' serves to continue the heated debate among fans over whether or not the ''Transformers'' live-action film series has been rebooted, following reshoots to ''Bumblebee'' which served to distance it from prior continuity as directed by [[Michael Bay]]. Promotion for the film has delivered a lot of fuzzy statements and mixed messaging; it appears to be the perspective of director Steven Caple Jr. that it ''is'' a reboot of some description,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I feel like we have a lot to unravel, because this feels like a true reboot if you will, into the ''Transformers'' franchise, so we're about to see a lot more beyond the Decepticons moving forward.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPr_LLZx2HY&t=354s|site=Black Girl Nerds|title=Steven Caple Jr and Anthony Ramos on Rivalry and War in 'Transformers: Rise of the Beasts'|year=2022|month=12|day=01}}</ref> but observes that they are preserving many elements of the films that have gone before.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=It's a reboot for sure. The Bayverse... you can still watch the Bayverse and be on your own verse, so to speak. With us, we're definitely like, we want this to work, you know? We want people to... it's a refresher, so we can call reboot in terms of like, where we were starting. But yeah so definitely a new direction for sure. There's some things you could probably connect to it, clearly Bee is like a huge connection to all the movies, you know what I mean? In terms of his car, his design, a Camaro, and things like that, but... it's a very small one, in terms of the big ideas that we have. And so you guys will see definitely where we're going at the end of this film, which is crazy.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MfMFxvT_-Q&t=2452s|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=The Alfonso Nation|title="BAYVERSE vs REBOOT" & Wheeljacks Design | ROTB DIRECTOR STEVEN CAPLE JR Interview!|year=2023|month=05|day=27}}</ref> Meanwhile, longtime producer [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] has repeatedly denied that it is a reboot, stating that the film shows how Optimus Prime grows to become the character seen in the Bay films,<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Hey you know if you look at it from a timeline point of view, it follows ''Bumblebee''... but it is a prequel, in that it's before all the previous movies. So it sort of exists in its own way. What I don't think it is, is a reboot, because it's still our characters. One of the things that Steven brought to the table right from the beginning, which was so great, was the idea that when we meet Optimus Prime, he's different than what we think of him, and we're watching him grow up—if you would—as a leader. And for me that was one of the most exciting parts of the movie, and what was interesting was watching it with audiences, and at first they were uncomfortable a little bit, like, "wait, that's not exactly the Optimus... he should like humans!" You know? So I think it gives the movie a really interesting point of view, and that therefore it stands alone in that way.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h11sKGYcq9k&t=871s|name=Lorenzo di Bonaventura|site=a panel at the premiere of ''Rise of the Beasts''|year=2023|month=05|day=26}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=But what's interesting is, and you will appreciate this as a fan, at the end of ''Bumblebee'', Optimus comes to Earth. What he's experienced is failure, probably for the first time in his life, right? He's had to retreat, he's leaving the planet Cybertron. What's happened to him from that experience? When we meet him in 2007, he's a particular person, if you would. In 1994, he's not the same person. He still has growth to do between ‘94 and 2007. So the character arc for Optimus in this, and the fun for the audience is, when you first meet Optimus – and we've had this experience because we've watched it with audiences and we've heard them talk about it – they're like, “It's definitely Optimus, but there's something a little different…” At first, they're like, “Wait, what, who… what Optimus is this?” And by the end of the movie, Optimus has become the guy that you've recognized from the Bay movies. Emotional.|link=https://collider.com/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-michael-bay-movies-producer-comments/|name=Lorenzo di Bonaventura|site=Collider|title='Transformers: Rise of the Beasts' Producer on How It Differs From Michael Bay's Movies|year=2023|month=05|day=24}}</ref> and many reviews of and articles about the film have casually referred to it as a prequel. Some web outlets would even run articles commenting on Paramount's indistinct stance on the movie's (and ''Bumblebee'''s) place in continuity.<ref>[https://www.cbr.com/transformers-7-bumblebee-reboot-mistake "Rise of the Beasts Is Repeating Bumblebee's Worst Mistake" on CBR.com]</ref><ref>[https://movieweb.com/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-is-a-reboot/ "Why Does Paramount Keep Pretending Rise of the Beasts Is Not a Reboot?" on MovieWeb.com]</ref>

Whichever approach you subscribe to, it's pretty clear the decision to set the film in 1994 was one primarily made to avoid having to directly deal with the timeframe of the Bay movies in any capacity, and tell a new story free of their immediate baggage. For what it's worth, the film takes some steps to preserve the broad continuity of at least the first Bay film; the Transwarp Key's energy is explicitly stated to operate on a frequency that humans cannot perceive, meaning that they literally cannot ''see'' the huge sky-beam or the portal. As such, the film ends with the general population of Earth (beyond secret forces within the US government) still entirely unaware of the Transformers' existence, as was the case when the 2007 film began. As the time-gap between these "prequels" and the first movie narrows, though, it becomes increasingly difficult to imagine them fitting together without a lot of hand-waving away of specific details, unless future movies actually start making active attempts to address this.

In terms of active contradictions to established continuity, ''Rise of the Beasts'' appears to take the same approach as ''Bumblebee'' and ignores the events of the final Bay film, 2017's ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'', by depicting Unicron as a separate planet, rather than the Earth itself, as he appeared in that film. However, it's probably important to note that the film lightly implies that the Maximals are time-travellers from the future (see "Transformers references" for more details), which would mean that the Unicron who appears in this film is also from the future. Thus it ''could'' be argued that his appearance here doesn't technically contradict ''The Last Knight''—but of course, that would mean he was trying to eat his own past self.

==Transformers references==
*The Maximals are broadly depicted the same as they were in the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' cartoon: as a "highly-advanced race" of beast-mode Transformers who use transwarp technology to travel to other planets and interact with their native species, whose travels bring them to ancient Earth. Steven Caple Jr. has noted that earlier drafts of the screenplay explicitly depicted the Maximals as time-travellers from the future, as they were in the cartoon, and while the concept is so toned down for the finished movie that it probably won't even occur to general audiences, several references to the idea are still made on-screen. Transwarp technology is stated to open portals in time as well as space; Airazor states that the Maximals are "from both [the Autobots'] past and future"; and Optimus Primal says that he is named after the "legendary" Optimus Prime, which all combine to suggest that the Maximals originate from the future.
*The idea of the Maximals hailing from a [[Jungle Planet (colony)|jungle planet]] originates in [[IDW Publishing]]'s comic books, which depicted many ''Beast Wars'' characters as the residents of the planet Eukaris. The planet is implied to be one of many colonised by Transformers in ages past using space bridges generated by the Transwarp Key, before the planets became separated and the key "lost." This concept of a great era of Cybertronian expansion that led to the foundation of lost colonies on other planets where Cybertronian life evolved in new and different directions dates back to 2005's [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], and became a recurring element in ''Transformers'' series in the 2010s and beyond after it was incorporated into the lore of the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned continuity]].
*Unicron's armies being named the "Terrorcons" hearkens back to both 2004's ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' and 2010's ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'', which both featured the power of Unicron being used to create armies of warriors known as Terrorcons. In particular, the corrupted Airazor's rusted appearance resembles the ''Prime'' Terrorcons, which were also rusted, dilapidated, shambling bots controlled by the will of another.
*Though not identified by name onscreen, Unicron's army includes multiple duplicates of a robotic scorpion identified by the movie's toyline as "Predacon Scorponok." The idea of "Scorponok" being a mass-produced "species" of robots has recently been seen in the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|''War for Cybertron'' cartoon]], where both [[Scorponok (G1)|Generation 1 Scorponok]] ''and'' [[Scorponok (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Scorponok]] were treated this way.
*The Maximals vow to keep the Transwarp Key hidden and safeguard life "no matter the cost," evoking Optimus Prime's iconic line from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'': "Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost."
*Optimus Prime's design features alterations from his earlier ''Bumblebee'' appearance that are influenced by his appearance in the first three Bay films; he has silver hands, feet, sun visors, angled chest windows, retractable orange [[Dual Energon Swords|Energon swords]], a handheld orange [[Energon-axe]] (which transforms out of his arm, coincidentally similar to the [[Optimus Prime (ES)|''Earthspark'' version]]), and a mask-less face sporting similar details. Arcee also transforms into a {{w|Ducati}} motorcycle, like her ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' character.
*Scourge combines aspects of his [[Scourge (G1)|Generation 1]], [[Scourge (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'']] and [[Scourge (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'']] namesakes; he's a herald of Unicron like G1 Scourge, transforms into a black Optimus Prime-like truck like ''RID'' Scourge and hails from a colony world like ''Cybertron'' Scourge. The various insignia he wears as trophies include the symbols of the [[Decepticon]]s, [[Autobot]]s, [[Maximal]]s, [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s, [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcon]]s, [[Mercenary|Mercenaries]] and [[Wreckers]].
*More obscure characters appear such as Apelinq, who originates from a [[Apelinq (BM)#Toys|BotCon 2000 toy]] and tie-in [[3H Productions]] comics, and Stratosphere, returning from the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' toyline.
*When [[Nightbird (ROTB)|Nightbird]] lands at the Museum following the carnage, she makes some [[Starscream (Movie)|very familiar warbling noises]] when she moves.
*The two music tracks used in Unicron's scenes feature segments taken from [[Vince DiCola]]'s "Unicron's Theme" in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
*Scourge stands and talks to Unicron's face from inside his body, similar to a scene with their characters from the Generation 1 episode, "[[Ghost in the Machine (G1)|Ghost in the Machine]]".
*The symbols Elena studies are Maximal [[Cybertronix]], from the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon. The access code Elena assembles doesn't translate to anything, and simply reads "XQB," but the text on the side of the Transwarp Key (written in a combination of mirrored and upside-down symbols) reads: "He Who Opens The Door."
*The authors of the paper Elena reads about Peru's unexplained glyphs are Asahi Takara and Daniel H. Tomy, a reference to [[TakaraTomy]], Hasbro's longtime business partner in Transformers toys.
*After meeting Optimus Prime for the first time, Noah incorrectly calls him "Optimal". "Optimal Optimus" is the name of the original [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#OptimalOptimus|Optimus Primal's Transmetal 2 body]].
*When proposing different alternate modes to Noah, Mirage briefly turns into an F1 car, a reference to [[Mirage (G1)|his Generation 1 counterpart]]'s alternate mode. He also turns into a Lamborghini Countach, which was just a really cool, sexy car, but also famous in ''Transformers'' lore for being the alternate mode of [[Sideswipe (G1)|Generation 1 Sideswipe]], [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], and [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]]. He then claims that he can also turn into a Ferrari, the alternate mode of ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Dino]], whose name in media outside of that movie was "Mirage".
*Mirage is incredulous over the news that musician [[Mark Wahlberg]] is leaving his band, the Funky Bunch, and going into acting—a good-natured jab at the actor's [[Cade Yeager|leading role]] in the earlier ''Transformers'' movies, ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'' and ''The Last Knight''.
*Scourge name-drops [[Primus]] as he taunts Optimus Prime, the first reference to the Transformers' creator god in any of the live-action movies.
*Scourge injures Prime's left flank in the museum battle, which mirrors the injuries [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] gave to the original [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] in ''The Transformers: The Movie.'' Prime even grasps the wound in the same way his predecessor did.
*Airazor explains that Unicron imbues his heralds with a "dark energy," which increases their power, but also has a corrupting effect—almost certainly a reference to [[Dark Energon]], the life-energy of Unicron introduced in the Aligned continuity.
*Unicron psychically tortures Scourge from afar in the same way he did [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] in ''The Transformers: The Movie''.
*When Optimus Primal talks to Optimus Prime about how the Maximals trust the humans, he says there's "[[More than Meets the Eye (disambiguation)|more to them than meets the eye]]".
*Optimus states the Cybertronian belief that "the battle with darkness" will continue: "[['Til all are one]]." This phrase, and the idea of a day prophesied in Cybertron legend when it will come to pass, originates with ''The Transformers: The Movie,'' and is here used to thematically connect with the shared struggle of the Autobots, Maximals, and humans.
*When the heroes are lining up for the final battle, brown fins briefly pop out of the sides of Wheeljack's head, evoking his [[Wheeljack (G1)|Generation 1 design]].
*As the heroes charge towards the Terrorcon army, Optimus Primal commands Rhinox and Cheetor to "Maximize!", which was the Maximal [[activation code]] from the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon.
*Optimus Primal briefly fights with his double bladed scimitar from his [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Beast Wars|original toy]].
*In the final battle, when Unicron sends an army of Freezers to reinforce his minions on Earth, they make their descent in the form of yellow-and-black orbs, which appears to be a nod to Unicron's [[Mini-Con]] from ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', the yellow-and-black sphere, [[Dead End (Armada)|Dead End]].
*The armored suit Mirage forms over Noah is conceptually an homage to the Generation 1 [[exosuit]]s, while its overall design hews closer to [[Kicker Jones]]' battlesuit from ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]''.
*In a glorious homage to [[Transformers (film)|the 2007 movie]], the musical highlight of [[Steve Jablonsky]]'s "Arrival to Earth" plays as Optimus, Noah, and Primal escape the collapsing transwarp portal's suction.
* Optimus Prime's final speech is set to a remixed version of the track "No Sacrifice, No Victory" from the 2007 movie's score, which was also reprised for the endings of ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' and ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]''.
*[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and Transformers have frequently crossed over in comics and the occasional toyline over the years, though this marks the first time the two have co-existed in a feature film. Notably, the G.I. Joe insignia on Burke's business card is the version introduced in the film ''G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra''.
*When Reek and Noah are repairing Mirage at the end of the film, Reek says "Even Stevens," a possible allusion to [[Shia LaBeouf]], who starred in the [[Sam Witwicky|leading role]] in the first three ''Transformers'' movies.

==Real-life references==
*A TV screen briefly shows news coverage of the {{w|Murder trial of O. J. Simpson#Bronco chase|O.J. Simpson white Ford Bronco car chase}}, which places the events of the film near June 17, 1994.
*Throughout the film, Noah and Kris use the codenames "[[Sonic the Hedgehog (character)|Sonic]]" and "{{w|Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog)|Tails}}" (and in one instance, Mirage is referred to as "{{w|Knuckles the Echidna|Knuckles}}"), a nod to the characters from the ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog (video game)|Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' videogame series.
*Kris wears a shirt of the ''Mighty Morphin' [[Saban Entertainment|Power Rangers]]'', another property owned by Hasbro. A poster of said series also appears on his wall.
*Kris is heard playing ''Super Mario Bros.'' on his [[Game Boy]]. However, see "Errors".
*Kris attempts to comfort Noah after his unsuccessful interview by relating his struggle to [[Superman|Superman's]] difficulty finding a job before being hired by the {{w|Daily Planet}}.
*When Mirage compliments Noah after the car chase, he quotes the line "I like it a lot" from ''Dumb and Dumber''. However, see "Errors".
*Noah calls Mirage {{w|E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial|E.T.}} for obvious reasons. He also makes a reference to [[Indiana Jones]] when discovering the hidden temple in Peru.
*Bumblebee drops various voice lines from famous real-life films throughout the whole movie, including ''{{w| Die Hard}}'', ''[[Spaceballs]]'', ''{{w| A Few Good Men}}'' and ''{{w| Scarface (1983 film)|Scarface}}.''
*Elena sings the TLC song "{{w|Waterfalls (TLC song)|Waterfalls}}" to herself during the flight to Peru. However, see "Errors".
*When meeting Primal, Elena brings up the {{w|Nazca Lines}}, asking if the Maximals were responsible for creating them. [[Order of the Witwiccans|In this case]], however, Primal takes no credit for human ingenuity.
*Mirage calls Optimus Primal "{{w|Donkey Kong (character)|Donkey Kong}}".
*At the end of the film, Elena appears on the CBS news program ''[[60 Minutes]]''; host [[Lesley Stahl]] makes a cameo appearance as herself during the segment.
*The award on the wall that serves as the hidden switch to access the G.I. Joe base reads "Real Hero Award" with the image of an American flag, referencing the subtitle of the original G.I. Joe cartoon series: "A Real American Hero".

==Errors==
*When Scourge kills Apelinq, he welds his Maximal insignia to his right shoulder, but throughout the rest of the film, Apelinq's insignia is gone. In the same scene, Scourge says "They never learn...", but his mouth is not moving.
*Though the "you died!" music and mention of Bowser imply Kris is playing ''Super Mario Bros.'' on his Game Boy, that game wouldn't see a release on the system until 1999's ''[https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_Bros._Deluxe Super Mario Bros. Deluxe]'' on the Game Boy Color. The only Mario platformers released for Game Boy by 1994 were the ''Super Mario Land'' games, which featured different antagonists and music.
*When Reek yells down the street as Noah and Kris depart, his dialogue does not match with his lips.
*Elena sings "Waterfalls" to calm herself down. Assuming the film takes place in the summer, as implied by the aforementioned coverage of the O.J. Simpson chase, it would still be a few months until the November 1994 release of the album ''CrazySexyCool'', which the song first appeared on.
*Similarly, Mirage quotes a line from ''Dumb and Dumber'', a film that would not release until December 1994.
*When the Autobots arrive at Cuzco, they land at the citadel of [[Sacsayhuamán]], an Inca fortress on the northern outskirts of the city, and the site is deserted. Even on a normal day it should be crawling with tourists, but the Autobots are specifically said to arrive during the [[Inti Raymi]] festival... whose central activity is a recreation of an Inca ceremony ''at'' Sacsayhuamán.
*The doors that go onto Wheeljack's back are unmarked brown in the scene of him transforming from van mode, but feature text on them in the very next cut where he is in robot mode.
*When Wheeljack audibly gasps at Noah assuming he can speak Spanish, his mouth is not moving.
*When Wheeljack is recovering from being attacked by Rhinox, his mouth is not moving as he says "Ay-ay-ay."
*As the heroes are walking through the jungle, the scene cuts to Elena while she is saying "So, what are you?", which does not match with her lips.
*The fight with the brainwashed Airazor takes place at Machu Picchu, which nobody is witness to, as again it is completely deserted. It should be crawling with tourists, the staff that work at the site, the guests and staff of the lodge located right next to the complex, or the population of the town of Aguas Calientes at the base of the mountain.
*When Scourge walks away with second half of the key, his left arm switches from the claw to the cannon between shots.
*Elena audibly whimpering in Bumblebee as he drives through hoards of Freezers does not match with her lips.
*The promo for ''60 Minutes'' uses the program's contemporary imaging, including the use of the current CBS News logotype above that of the show.
*A green car that was smashed and thrown in the Museum scene was a B5.5 Volkswagen Passat which would not be released until 2001.

==Music==
A score album, ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (Music from the Motion Picture)]]'', was released alongside the film on June 9, 2023. Paramount also compiled a Spotify Playlist, ''[[Transformers Rise of the Beats]]'', featuring songs that appeared in the film.

==Reception==
{{quote|Thanks to some genuine human drama between the set pieces and palpable affection for the title characters, Transformers: Rise of the Beasts is one of the franchise's more enjoyable outings.|Critics Consensus|[https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_rise_of_the_beasts Rotten Tomatoes]}}

==Development details==

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* March 27, 2015 — [[Paramount Pictures]] negotiates with [[Akiva Goldsman]], hiring him to create a "writer's room" with the intention of building a cinematic universe.<ref name="goldsman">[http://deadline.com/2015/03/transformers-akiva-goldsman-paramount-sequels-spinoffs-1201400027/ Paramount Enlisting Akiva Goldsman To Ramp Up 'Transformers' Output] on deadline.com</ref> Goldsman goes on to hire a number of writers over the next few months: [[Steven DeKnight]] (''Daredevil''),<ref>[http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/transformers-cinematic-universe/35696/transformers-cinematic-details-more-writers-over-10-films Transformers cinematic details]</ref> [[Robert Kirkman]] (''The Walking Dead''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom">[http://deadline.com/2015/05/transformers-writers-robert-kirkman-zak-penn-art-marcum-matt-holloway-jeff-pinkner-1201430601/ 'Transformers' Spinoff & Sequel Scribes Set] on Deadline.com</ref> [[Art Marcum]] and [[Matt Holloway]] (''Iron Man''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Christina Hodson]] (''Shut In'', ''The Fugitive''),<ref name="hodsonbeer">[http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/446175-christina-hodson-and-lindsey-beer-join-transformers-writing-team Christina Hodson and Lindsey Beer Join the Transformers Writing Team]</ref> [[Lindsey Beer]] (''Dig''),<ref name="hodsonbeer" /> [[Zak Penn]] (''Pacific Rim 2''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Jeff Pinkner]] (''The Amazing Spider-Man 2'', ''Lost''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Andrew Barrer]] and [[Gabriel Ferrari]] (''Ant-Man''),<ref name="barrerferrari">[http://deadline.com/2015/05/transformers-ant-man-andrew-barrer-gabriel-ferrari-cybertron-1201433402/ 'Ant-Man' Scribes Andrew Barrer & Gabriel Ferrari Join 'Transformers' Writers Room] on Deadline</ref> [[Ken Nolan]] (''Black Hawk Down''), and [[Geneva Robertson-Dworet]].<ref name="nolandworet">[http://www.slashfilm.com/transformers-writers-room/ Akiva Goldsman Teases 'Transformers' Franchise Plans]</ref> Involved in the pitching process are [[Steven Spielberg]], [[Michael Bay]], [[Brian Goldner]], [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]], [[Mark Vahradian]], and [[Don Murphy]].<ref name="deadlinereveal">[http://deadline.com/2015/09/transformers-writers-room-akiva-goldsman-transformers-5-1201531918/ 'Transformers' Writers Room Wraps] on Deadline</ref>
* October 3, 2015 — During his keynote speech at the MIP Junior Conference, [[Allspark (company)|Allspark]]'s [[Stephen J. Davis]] notes that the writing team has come up with film concepts for Transformers 5, 6, 7, and 8.<ref name="stephendaviskeynote">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_P2fw_DlS4&t=812 Stephen Davis's keynote speech] at MIPJunior.</ref>
* February 12, 2016 — At [[Toy Fair 2016]], Hasbro reveals the projected release date of Transformers 7, along with the dates for the two preceding films.<ref name="toyfairreveal" />
* September 23, 2017 — At Licensing Europe 2017, Hasbro announces Transformers 7 will have an "entirely new, exciting storyline".<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/23/2019-transformers-movie-feature-entirely-new-storyline-349463 2019 Transformers Movie To Feature An Entirely New Storyline] on TFW2005</ref>
* February 16, 2018 — Hasbro clarifies at [[Toy Fair 2018]] that the film will be a reset of the franchise and has been delayed indefinitely until a new creative team is in place.<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/02/16/transformers-cinematic-universe-current-movie-series-rebooted-358641 Transformers Cinematic Universe Is Over: Current Movie Series To Be Rebooted] on TFW2005</ref>
* May 24, 2018 — Paramount drops the film from their release schedule.<ref>[http://collider.com/transformers-7-cancelled/amp/ Paramount Officially Pulls the Next 'Transformers' Sequel from Their Release Date Schedule] on Collider</ref>
* March 15, 2019 — di Bonaventura states a sequel to ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' is in development.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/two-sequels-in-transformers-live-action-franchise-confirmed-in-development/43083/ Two Sequels in Transformers Live Action Franchise Confirmed in Development] on Seibertron</ref>
* March 18, 2019 — di Bonaventura claims that the next main ''Transformers'' film will be a reboot closely tied to the ''Bumblebee'' sequel, rather than a direct sequel to ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]''. Either way, Paramount will pick the best script for ''Transformers 7'' and release that first.<ref>[https://www.gamespot.com/articles/bumblebee-producer-says-next-transformers-movie-wi/1100-6465652/ Bumblebee Producer Says Next Transformers Movie Will Be A Reboot] on GameSpot</ref>
[[File:Stevencaplejr autobot cast.jpg|thumb|250px|[[Arcee (G1)|KARR]] [[GEEWUN|NOT BIKE!]]]]
[[File:Stevencaplejr terrorcon cast.jpg|thumb|250px|Actually, [[Megatron (Movie)#Dark of the Moon film|not the first time]] The Transformers meet {{w|Mad Max|Mad Max}}...]]
* January 27, 2020 — Variety reports two ''Transformers'' films are being penned, to be produced simultaneously: one written by [[James Vanderbilt]], another to be written by [[Joby Harold]].<ref>[https://variety.com/2020/film/news/transformers-franchise-revamp-bumblebee-james-vanderbilt-joby-harold-1203482496/ ‘Transformers’ Franchise Gets a Revamp With Two Separate Films in the Works] on Variety</ref> Deadline reports that Vanderbilt's script is for a spin-off film based on ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'', while Harold's script continues the story from the ''Bumblebee'' film.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2020/01/transformers-movies-paramount-1202843234/ Dual ‘Transformers’ Movies In The Works At Paramount] on Deadline</ref>
* May 2, 2020 — [[Hasbro]] CEO [[Brian Goldner]] confirms that a new Transformers live-action movie is slated to release on [[June 24]], 2022. However, only one between Harold's ''Bumblebee'' sequel and Vanderbilt's ''Beast Wars'' film will make it to production first.
* August 21, 2020 — New Republic Pictures is announced as a new co-financier for Paramount in a ten-picture deal in the wake of the success of 2019's ''Rocketman''.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2020/08/paramount-pictures-new-republic-pictures-10-picture-cofinancing-deal-top-gun-maverick-1203018250/ New Republic Pictures Signs 10-Pic Co-Fi Deal With Paramount Pictures; ‘Top Gun: Maverick’ Among Films] on Deadline</ref>
* November 16, 2020 — [[Steven Caple Jr.]] is announced as the director.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2020/11/transformers-director-steven-caple-jr-1234613830/ Transformers’: ‘Creed 2’ Director Steven Caple Jr. Tapped To Direct Next Installment In Paramount And Hasbro Franchise] on Deadline</ref>
* April 1, 2021 — [[Anthony Ramos]] is in talks for a starring role.<ref>[https://collider.com/transformers-7-cast-anthony-ramos/ Exclusive: Anthony Ramos in Talks to Star in New 'Transformers' Movie] at Collider</ref>
* April 29, 2021 — [[Dominique Fishback]] is in final negotiations to star in the film.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2021/04/transformers-dominique-fishback-anthony-ramos-paramount-eone-and-hasbro-franchise-1234746855/ 'Transformers': Dominique Fishback Lands Lead Role Opposite Anthony Ramos In Next Installment For The Paramount Franchise] on Deadline</ref>
* June 13, 2021 — A casting call sheet for filming in Montreal reveals that the film is set in [[1992]].<ref>[https://www.transformersfr.com/t5190p250-parlons-des-films-transformers-a-venir#190206 Rumeur ― le "7ème Film Transformers en prise de vue réelle" se déroulerait en 1992] on transformersfr.com</ref>
* June 22, 2021 — A Paramount virtual event is held in which the movie's title, premise, and few of the characters and cast are unveiled (revealing it to be both the ''Bumblebee'' and ''Beast Wars'' films in one).<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Currently attending a Paramount virtual event about the next #Transformers film. Report to follow!|link=https://twitter.com/search?q=(from%3ABWTF_Ben)%20until%3A2021-06-23%20since%3A2021-06-22|name=Ben Yee|site=Twitter|year=2021|month=06|day=22}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|link=https://bwtf.com/news/rise-of-the-beasts-character-descriptions|name=Ben Yee|site=BWTF|title=Movie News: "Transformers: Rise of the Beasts" Character Descriptions|year=2021|month=06|day=22}}</ref> The film's logo and official premise are also unveiled on official Transformers social media accounts.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The battle on Earth is no longer just between Autobots and Decepticons… Maximals, Predacons, and Terrorcons join Transformers: Rise of the Beasts, in theatres June 24, 2022.|link=https://twitter.com/transformers/status/1407422768602181632|name=@transformers|site=Twitter|year=2021|month=06|day=22}}</ref>
* June 28, 2021 — [[Ron Perlman]] is announced to be reprising his role as Optimus Primal from ''[[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes]]''. [[Darnell Metayer]] and [[Josh Peters]] are confirmed as writers, inspired by Joby Harold's earlier draft.<ref>{{citesocial|quote='''Ron Perlman''' has been tapped to voice Optimus Primal in '''''Transformers: Rise of the Beasts''''', Collider has exclusively learned. [...] ''Rise of the Beasts'' will be led by rising stars '''Anthony Ramos''' (''In the Heights'') and '''Dominique Fishback''' (''Judas and the Black Messiah''), and '''Steven Caple Jr.''' (''Creed II'') is directing from a script by '''Darnell Metayer''' and '''Josh Peters''', who worked off an earlier draft by '''Joby Harold'''.|link=https://collider.com/ron-perlman-optimus-primal-voice-transformers-7-rise-of-the-beasts/|name=Jeff Sneider|site=Collider|title=Exclusive: 'Transformers: Rise of the Beasts' Adds Ron Perlman as Voice of Optimus Primal|year=2021|month=06|day=28}}</ref>
* July 11, 2021 — Rapper [[Tobe Nwigwe]] announces on Instagram that he's been cast in the movie.<ref>[https://preview.houstonchronicle.com/music/houston-s-tobe-nwigwe-earns-emmy-nom-16317174 Houston’s Tobe Nwigwe earns Emmy nom, 'Transformers' role] from the Houston Chronicle</ref>
* October 6, 2021 — Caple Jr. reveals the vehicle modes for the Autobot and Terrorcon cast through his Instagram account.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The squad is out…|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/CUsm_wyLory/|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Instagram|year=2021|month=10|day=06}}</ref>
* October 20, 2021 — Filming is completed.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=That’s a wrap 🎬|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/CVOw5z2r9TP/|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Instagram|year=2021|month=10|day=20}}</ref>
* October 21, 2021 — Cuscopolita reports on the vehicles with the film's Peru crew, confirming the unidentified vehicles as [[Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack]] and [[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]].<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.facebook.com/cuscopolitamagazine/videos/1941112319403899|name=Cuscopolita|site=Facebook|title=Exclusiva con los Transformers|year=2021|month=10|day=20}}</ref>
* October 22, 2021 — Ramos makes a guest appearance on [[Hasbro Pulse Con 2021]], confirming Cheetor, his favorite ''Beast Wars'' character, will be in the film.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I am a ''Transformers'' fan, ''Beast Wars'' fan, Cheetor is my #1 favorite of all time, so it's dope to have Cheetor, to be in this movie with Cheetor, it's gonna be crazy.|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtxJqrv-bI&t=6051s|name=Anthony Ramos|site=YouTube|title=Hasbro PulseCon 2021 - DAY ONE|year=2021|month=10|day=22}}</ref>
* November 10, 2021 — Paramount announces the film has been delayed to [[June 9]], [[2023]].<ref name="2023release">{{citesocial|quote=Transformers: Rise of the Beasts has moved back a year and will now bow June 9, 2023. It previously was slated for June 24, 2022.|link=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/star-trek-transformers-movie-release-date-1235045937/|name=Aaron Couch|site=The Hollywood Reporter|title=‘Star Trek,’ ‘Transformers’ Movies Pushed Back at Paramount|year=2021|month=11|day=10}}</ref>
* February 15, 2022 — Paramount confirms that ''Rise of the Beasts'' will be the first entry in a trilogy of films.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Transformers: Rise of the Beasts will be released theatrically in 2023 and is the first of three new installments. A new animated series from @Nickelodeon arrives this fall. And in 2024, the franchise expands further with a CG animated Transformers theatrical film. #ParamountPlus|link=https://twitter.com/paramountplus/status/1493706271207292928|name=Paramount+|site=Twitter|year=2022|month=02|day=15}}</ref>
* October 11, 2022 — Caple Jr. reveals through Instagram that [[Pete Davidson]] is the voice of Mirage, and [[Michelle Yeoh]] is the voice of Airazor.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Sneak peek of Pete voicing Mirage & @michelleyeoh_official blessing us as the voice of Air Razor|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/Cjlx3PPPC_J/|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Instagram|year=2022|month=10|day=11}}</ref>
* October 21, 2022 — [[Tobe Nwigwe]] states on an Instagram post that they are doing some re-shoots for ''Rise of the Beasts'', including featuring his character in additional scenes.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The head people from ''Transformers'' said I did so good in my part they wanna add me to some more scenes. So I gotta go shoot some more stuff for ''Transformers''.|link=https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cj9PnevsVb1/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY|name=Tobe Nwigwe|site=Instagram|year=2022|month=10|day=21}}</ref>
[[File:ROTBTeaserPoster.jpg|thumb|250px|right]]
* December 1, 2022 — The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWWDskI46Js official teaser trailer] is released by Paramount Pictures in conjunction with São Paulo's CCXP convention, giving audiences a first glimpse of the film and its various characters, including Mirage, Arcee, Scourge and the Maximals. Multiple voice cast members are also announced.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2022/12/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-peter-dinklage-liza-koshy-john-dimaggio-cast-1235186104/]</ref>
* December 2, 2022 — [[Jongnic Bontemps]] is announced as the film's score composer.<ref>[http://filmmusicreporter.com/2022/12/02/jongnic-bontemps-to-compose-music-for-steven-caple-jr-s-transformers-rise-of-the-beasts/]</ref>
* December 16, 2022 — Caple Jr. shares a clip of Peter Cullen performing on his Instagram account.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=🐐|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/CmPM80yPcsP/|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Instagram|year=2022|month=12|day=16}}</ref>
* December 26, 2022 — Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal make a "guest" appearance on the 2022 [[Nickelodeon]] Nickmas NFL game, showcasing both modes and their transformations.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5X0F_AvY8Q YouTube upload] of a recording for Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal on the 2022 Nickmas NFL game</ref>
* January 31, 2023 — [[Sam Smith]] reveals toy concept art for a new character from the film, [[Freezer]].<ref>https://www.instagram.com/p/CoFlXXNOly1/</ref>
* February 12, 2023 — Paramount airs a 30-second TV spot detailing Mirage's Porsche 911 vehicle mode for Super Bowl LVII in collaboration with Porsche.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2023/02/2023-super-bowl-movie-trailers-the-flash-fast-x-transformers-ant-man-expected-1235247160/ Super Bowl Movie Trailer Spots Will Include ‘The Flash’, ‘Fast X’, ‘Transformers’ & ‘Ant-Man’ — Deadline]</ref>
* April 2, 2023 — During the 2023 NCAA Division I Men's Final Four on CBS, Paramount aired a first-of-its-kind mixed reality TV spot that showed off Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal appearing on a 90s basketball court that transformed from the court the actual basketball match was being played on. A few brief clips from the first trailer were also shown.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeeIfpbUAHg]</ref>
* April 6, 2023 — Actor [[Tongayi Chirisa]] announces on Instagram that he is the voice of Cheetor.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=So there is a story to this!!! Per the usual standard .. I had to sign an NDA, so I had NO IDEA what I was reading for.. it was only when I was in the booth to do my voice over that it dawned on me that I was reading for TRANSFORMERS Like what!!!🤯🤯🤯🤯 I totally geeked out in the moment.. Man, to say this is mad exciting is an understatement... So thankful. So honored, so blessed!!!! Massive shout out and THANK YOU to @stevencaplejr for putting your boi on! Appreciate you, fam!!! @transformersmovie..🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 IT WAS ALL A DREAM!!!! Welcome, y'all. I am your transformer #CHEETOR!!!! Let's goooo!!!!!! #NdezvaMwari #Yeshua #smallbeginnings #ontherise|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/Cqs_PQ1J_s6/|name=Tongayi Chirisa|site=Instagram|year=2023|month=04|day=06}}</ref>
* April 14, 2023 — To promote the film, Optimus Prime introduces Tobe Nwigwe's performance of "[[On My Soul]]" at {{w|Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival|Coachella}}.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Calling all Autobots. @TobeNwigwe and #OptimusPrime have rolled out to #Coachella. #Transformers #RiseOfTheBeasts|link=https://twitter.com/transformers/status/1647069845731803136|name=Transformers|site=Twitter|year=2022|month=04|day=14}}</ref>
* April 27, 2023 — The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itnqEauWQZM official trailer] is released by Paramount Pictures, revealing more of the movie and Unicron's role in the plot, as well as delivering a first, brief look at the Predacons.
* May 6, 2023 — The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxore0Gxwpc first clip] was showcased at the 2023 MTV Movie & TV Awards, showing the Autobots' first interaction with the Maximals.
* May 12, 2023 — The website Puliwood reveals the film's Hungarian dub cast...including the voice of [[Apelinq (ROTB)|Apelinq]], a character that had not yet been announced to be appearing in the film.<ref>[https://www.puliwood.hu/ismertetok/exkluziv-ilyen-szinkronhangokkal-jon-a-transformers-a-fenevadak-kora-325900.html EXKLUZÍV: ilyen szinkronhangokkal jön a Transformers: A fenevadak kora]</ref>
* May 27, 2023 — The film's world premiere is held at Marina Bay Sands in [[Singapore]].
* June 5, 2023 — David Sobolov confirms on Instagram that he is also voicing Apelinq in the film.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/CtIhCcwu4Ld/|quote=#transformers #riseofthebeasts fans… I just saw our epic premiere in Brooklyn! Tonight, I’m excited to reveal that I am the voice… of Apelinq!|name=David Sobolov|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=06|day=05}}</ref>
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===Changes before, during, and after production===
* A Decepticon named [[Transit (ROTB)|Transit]] was a character who was planned to appear early in the film, dispatched from a Decepticon-controlled Cybertron to kill Optimus Prime, before himself being killed by Optimus and dumped into the Hudson River alongside numerous other Decepticons who have tried to do the same in the past few years. [[Steven Caple Jr.]] has indicated that the visual effects for much of the sequence were completed prior to its removal—a result of test audiences finding it too dark—and that he intends to release it as a deleted scene via the film's home media release or otherwise.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=One was this Decepticon scene, Transit, that I've been talking about, because Optimus Prime fights Transit at the beginning of the movie—or at least he ''used'' to—and you find out that Optimus Prime wants to go home. That's all he wants to do, and Cybertron's in deep trouble, and this guy Transit was telling him that "we're just here to kill you", AKA "Cybertron's already ours." And it was a really epic fight scene, and then you saw Optimus Prime dump his body in the Hudson River, and all these Decepticons are dead, and you see he's been hunting for the last few years.|link=https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/1666216854996791298|name=Steven Caple Jr. in a Collider interview|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=6|day=6|(defunct=)}}</ref> The entertainment press reported that Transit was voiced by [[John DiMaggio]] for his removed appearance in the film.<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-everything-we-know/ "Everything we know about Transformers: Rise of the Beasts"] on Entertainment Weekly</ref> Despite not appearing in the final film, DiMaggio is still credited as Transit.
* Earlier drafts of the film more directly referenced the events of ''Bumblebee'', including a scene where Bumblebee shows Prime a photo he carries of himself and [[Charlie Watson]] to try and emphasize his belief that humans are good.<ref name=AltEnding>[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-ending-1235512382/ ‘Transformers: Rise of the Beasts’ Director Steven Caple Jr. Talks That Ending, Hailee Steinfeld and Test Screening Changes — The Hollywood Reporter]</ref>
* Multiple changes were made to the film's ending, which originally had a much darker tone like the scrapped opening. Originally, Mirage wasn't planned to survive the final battle, and Optimus would have been sucked into the portal after destroying the Transwarp Key and wind up floating in space before Unicron in the post-credits scene. Reactions by the audience in test screenings convinced Caple to change the ending to something a bit more hopeful, wanting to let the good guys get a solid win.<ref name=AltEnding/>
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==Notes==
* In a first for the franchise, the lead human actors, multiple writers, the composer, and the director are all people of color.
* This is the first movie in the series not to be worked on by [[Industrial Light & Magic]]; this time around the CG effects were done by [[Moving Picture Company]] and [[WetaFX]].
* Steven Caple Jr. was initially sceptical of working on a ''Transformers'' movie, which at that point in development was being called ''Bumblebee 2'', because he was uncertain about jumping right into another sequel after directing ''{{w|Creed II}}''—however, the incorporation of elements inspired by ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', which Caple Jr. had been a fan of, helped sway him. Upon joining the project, he pitched several revisions, drawing from his enthusiasm for ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' by adding [[Unicron]] (and the [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcon]]s) and Noah's exosuit, along with a prologue on the [[Maximal]]s' homeworld and a new arc for [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] centred around his initial misanthropy.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The first time that- I did ''Creed 2'', and the first time the studio ever knocked on my door, it was for ''Bumblebee 2''. And I was like, "I don't want to do- I just came out from ''Creed 2'', I don't want to do a sequel..." you know? And so a year had gone by—or maybe two, right before COVID—and they said, "we found out the story we want to tackle: we want to bring in ''Beast Wars''." I was like, "I know all about ''Beast Wars'', I'm down for ''Beast Wars''." And so they developed a script on their own, they passed it to me—2020, October 5th, I remember the date—and I jumped right in and I kind of did my own version of the pitch, I said: "I love where you guys are going, you guys want to do New York, you guys want to do the 90s, you want to do Peru, but here's what I'll do, with the characters..." So I changed up Optimus Prime, I gave him a whole pitch on how I would start him with like, not loving humans at first, and not besiding Noah right off the rip, they're gonna have friction between the two... Gave 'em a pitch for Optimus Primal, where they start off in the top of the movie, and I gave them a new Unicron- I mean a new villain, which was Unicron and the Terrorcon squad. I just felt like, as a fan, we've been tiptoeing around Unicron, and all the other films kind of like hinted towards him towards the end, and I just really want to expand the universe and I felt like he was that perfect source to do so, because he tells us there's another world out there, there's more Transformers out there, it's not just Autobots and Decepticons. And then of course the [[exosuit]], that was my idea, it was homage to the 80s cartoon, so... It was a bit of that, pitched it to 'em and they loved the heart, they love where I was going with the direction of the characters, and yeah, they kind of gave me the key to play!|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxUukVwKLCc|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Collider|title=Transformers: Rise of the Beasts Interview: Director Reveals Big Change to Film|year=2023|month=06|day=06}}</ref>
* [[Tobe Nwigwe]]'s character of [[Reek]] was based on a friend of Steven Caple Jr.'s, who passed away before shooting began in 2021.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The way I got the ''Transformers'' role was insane. [...] One of [Steven Caple Jr.'s] best friends was a fan of the music, and his best friend, right, like, as they was getting ready to start shooting the movie... passed. Passed, yeah. And he had Paramount Studios reach out to me to try to play a specific- the best friend role in ''Transformers''. They kind of emulated who his best friend was in real life. He told Paramount [...] "reach out to Tobe and if he send anything back that's even ''halfway'' decent... I want to use him." But because I had never done no acting ever in my life, I just had this script right here, and just read it like I was acting, and just recorded myself on the iPhone and I was like, "yo there's no way in hell..." [...] I did that, sent that in, and they liked it!|link=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfAoWTKh3R8&t=2638s|name=Tobe Nwigwe|site=Sway's Universe|year=2023|month=01|day=23}}</ref>
*The fourth-wall-breaking [[Mark Wahlberg]] namedrop was ad-libbed by [[Pete Davidson]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=We wanted to break the fourth wall. In all fairness, Pete Davidson made that up in the booth, and we laughed so hard, we're like in tears, and we're like there's no way we could not use this. We had ad-libbed a whole bunch of stuff. One was on, "Beanie Babies was weird", and he was like, what about Marky Mark leaving the Funky Bunch? And we were just in tears. And then we showed the studio and everybody loved it and was like, "let's just break the fourth wall. Do it."|link=https://gizmodo.com/breaking-the-fourth-wall-in-transformers-rise-of-the-b-1850514340|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=io9|title=Breaking the Fourth Wall in ''Transformers: Rise of the Beasts''|year=2023|month=06|day=09}}</ref>
* During the production of the film, Ramos had to acquire a driver's license at Caple Jr.'s behest.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://open.spotify.com/episode/4DDi5f1SL4oESslcZLjhhG|name=Anthony Ramos|site=the Spout Podcast|year=2021}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=I had a two-week window to get an appointment at the DMV, and the DMV was initially uncooperative. Finally, after much haggling, I was able to secure an appointment. I took the test in my mother's car after a few months of practice with an instructor. Fortunately, I was able to pass.|link=https://theplaylist.net/transformers-rise-of-the-beasts-anthony-ramos-talks-representation-in-franchises-getting-his-drivers-license-for-the-film-interview-20230607/|name=Anthony Ramos|site=The Playlist|title='Transformers: Rise Of The Beasts': Anthony Ramos Talks Representation In Franchises & Getting His Driver's License For The Film [Interview]|year=2023|month=06|day=07}}</ref>
* During an interview with a fan, voice actor David Sobolov revealed that Caple Jr. would create storyboards using Transformers toys. Awesome!<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdsfclO5etE&t=1106 "ROTB UNICRON IS THRILLING!" | Interview with DAVID SOBOLOV (Rhinox + Battletrap)! - YouTube]</ref>
* According to Caple Jr., Optimus's unmasked face was modeled after Peter Cullen's.
* As a result of Transit's removal, this is the first live-action film to not feature the Decepticons in any capacity.
* To keep the secret of the ''G.I. Joe'' tease at the end of the movie, most copies of the script and the version of the scene shot for test screenings all used [[Sector Seven]] instead. Michael Kelly also didn't know the big twist with his character until he arrived on set. Caple Jr. even had only a single ''G.I. Joe'' business card printed, on the day of filming, and took it from the set himself afterwards for safekeeping!<ref>{{citesocial|quote=There was one version of the script that mentioned the G.I. Joe reveal. All other copies, including the one in the studio's possession, described the military organization as Sector 7. "That way no one could leak the script," Caple notes. [...] Caple says they shot two versions of Kelly's scene, one where Burke's business card reads Sector 7 and one where the card reads G.I. Joe, so audiences in test screenings wouldn't know the true reveal. There was only one copy of the G.I. Joe business card, and Caple took that himself from set for safe keeping. "I was like, 'I'm taking this. I don't want this to be found on the floor,'" he says. "I actually didn't have them printed out until that day [on set]. We were very cautious of it, man. We were really trying to be as secretive as possible."|link=https://ew.com/movies/transformers-g-i-joe-crossover-plans/|name=Nick Romano|site=Entertainment Weekly|title=Inside the top-secret plans for Transformers and G.I. Joe|year=2023|month=06|day=12}}</ref>
*This is the first live-action Transformers movie where the Japanese dub wasn't sound directed by [[Keiichirō Miyoshi]] but instead it is directed by [[Yoshikazu Iwanami]] who had been responsible for the original Beast Wars cartoons dubs localization.

===Foreign names===
* ''Japanese:'' '''''Transformers/Beast Kakusei''''' (トランスフォーマー/ビースト覚醒 ''Toransufōmā Bīsuto Kakusei'', "Transformers: Beast Awakening")
* ''Cantonese:'' '''''Bin3jing4 Gam1gong1: Kwong4sau3 Gwat6hei2''''' (變形金剛：狂獸崛起, "Transformers: Rise of the Beasts")
* ''French:'' '''''Transformers : Le Réveil des Bêtes''''' (Canada, "Transformers: The Awakening of the Beasts")
* ''German:'' '''''Transformers: Aufstieg der Bestien''''' ("Transformers: Rise of the Beasts")
* ''Hungarian:'' '''''Transformers: A fenevadak kora''''' ("Transformers: The Age of the Beasts")
* ''Italian: '' '''''Transformers: Il Risveglio''''' ("Transformers: The Awakening")
* ''Mandarin:'' '''''Biànxíng Jīngāng: Wàn Shòu Juéqǐ''''' (Taiwan, 變形金剛：萬獸崛起, "Transformers: Rise of the Beasts"), '''''Biànxíng Jīngāng: Chāonéng Yǒngshì Juéqǐ''''' (China, 变形金刚：超能勇士崛起, "Transformers: Rise of the Beast Wars")
* ''Portuguese:'' '''''Transformers: O Despertar das Feras''''' (Brazil, "Transformers: The Awakening of the Beasts")
* ''Spanish:'' '''''Transformers: El Despertar de las Bestias''''' ("Transformers: The Awakening of the Beasts")
* ''Russian:'' '''''Transformery: Voskhozhdeniye Zverobotov''''' (Трансформеры: Восхождение Звероботов, "Transformers: Rise of the Beastbots")
* ''Ukrainian:'' '''''Transformery: Chas Zvirobotiv''''' (Трансформери: Час Звіроботів, "Transformers: Time of the Beastbots")

==References==
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Bumblebee (film)

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{{movie|
|seriess=[[Live-action film series]]
|prev=Transformers: The Last Knight (film)
|next=Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)
|title=''Bumblebee''
|image=BumblebeeMovieNewPoster.jpeg
|caption=According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course, flies anyway, because bees don't care what humans think is impossible.
|production companies=[[Allspark Pictures]] [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura|di Bonaventura Pictures]] [[Tencent Pictures]] [[Michael Bay|Bay Films]]
|distributor=[[Paramount Pictures]]
|executive producer=[[Steven Spielberg]]
|associate producer=[[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] [[Tom DeSanto]] [[Don Murphy]] [[Michael Bay]] [[Mark Vahradian]]
|written by=[[Christina Hodson]]
|directed by=[[Travis Knight]]
|cinematography by=[[Enrique Chediak]]
|edited by=[[Paul Rubell]]
|music by=[[Dario Marianelli]]
|release date=[[December 21]], [[2018]]
|continuity=[[Live-action film series]]
|runtime=114 minutes
|budget=$102–135 million
|box office=$468 million
}}
'''''Bumblebee''''' is the sixth movie in the [[live-action film series]]. A "reset" of the film series as a whole,<ref name="reboot">[http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/02/16/transformers-cinematic-universe-current-movie-series-rebooted-358641 Transformers Cinematic Universe Is Over: Current Movie Series To Be Rebooted] at TFW2005</ref> ''Bumblebee'' acts as a prequel to the previous five movies, albeit [[retcon|taking some liberties]] with continuity. The film is directed by [[Travis Knight]] rather than [[Michael Bay]] (who still pitches in as producer), written by newcomer [[Christina Hodson]], and produced on a far lower budget of around $100–137 million.<ref>[https://screenrant.com/bumblebee-movie-budget-cost/ "The film's budget is reportedly in the range of $100-137 million..." -Screenrant article on the film's budget and profit]</ref> The film was released in the U.S. on [[December 21]], [[2018]].

When [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] is sent to [[Earth]] to establish a base for the [[Autobot]]s, he finds himself hunted by both [[Sector Seven]] and the [[Decepticon]]s. With his memory and voice lost in battle, he is found by [[Charlie Watson]], a young woman in search of a direction in life. The pair work together to try to discover who Bumblebee is and why he's on Earth, but ultimately they'll find themselves with the fate of the planet in their hands...

{{quote|Thank you...so much...for giving me...my voice.|[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]}}

==Synopsis==
[[File:BBfilm-Optimus-Bumblebee-Earth.jpg|thumb|left|300px|"In tennis, you attack at the point of weakness!"]]
War rages on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and things look bad for the [[Autobot]]s. The [[Decepticon]]s have broken through the front lines, contact has been lost with the capital, and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], [[Brawn (ROTF)|Brawn]], [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]], [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], and several other survivors are pinned down under Decepticon assault until [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] arrives to momentarily repel their foes. Prime looks for scout [[Bumblebee (Movie)|B-127]], who appears only a moment after. The arrival of [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] on the battlefield, as well as the surge in Decepticon forces, prompts Prime to order the Autobots to fall back to a launchpad. He instructs the Autobots to board escape pods and flee from the planet. He also gives B-127 a secret mission: go to [[Earth]], a well-hidden planet Prime has identified, and establish a base for the Autobots to regroup and strike back. As the [[Seeker (Movie)|Seeker]]s under Shockwave's command begin attacking the launchpad directly, Prime leaps into the horde of Decepticons to buy B-127's pod some time to escape.

[[File:BBfilm-Burns-meets-bee.jpg|thumb|300px|"This isn't a goodfella. This is a ''bad''fella!"]]
The year is [[1987]], and Agent [[Jack Burns]]' team of [[Sector Seven]] agents emerge victorious from a mock battle after leading [[Danny Bell]] and his team into an ambush. As Burns good-naturedly chides his unlucky opponent, however, an unknown projectile appears overhead and plows into their midst, injuring many agents. Burns, believing his team to be under projectile assault after confirming that no other military practices using live ammo are occurring nearby, immediately calls for backup... upon which he comes face to face with B-127 rising from the crater. He immediately orders his forces to give chase, and the Autobot flees after [[scanning]] and [[transformation|transforming]] into a nearby military jeep.

Even though the military attempts to capture him with [[harpoon]]s and [[machine gun]]s, B-127 evades them and emerges into a clearing leading to an empty mineshaft. Burns gives the order to cut it off from escaping into the mine, which one of his soldiers executes by blindsiding B-127 with his jeep. However, B-127 begins talking to the humans in [[United States of America|English]], assuring them of his peaceful intentions and that he is not here to hurt anyone. Burns orders the soldiers to stand down, only for a jet to appear overhead. Burns is baffled that the Air Force was alerted this early, but the robot corrects him—the plane is, in fact, the Decepticon [[Blitzwing (BB)|Blitzwing]], who bombards the clearing with missiles and swoops in to attack the yellow Autobot!

[[File:Bumblebee-BeeVsBlitz.jpg|300px|thumb|left|"I have been felled by a winged beast of destruction!"]]
B-127 puts up a valiant effort against Blitzwing and even manages to damage his opponent's flight systems, but is soon subdued and dangled over a cliff. Blitzwing interrogates the scout about Optimus Prime and the Autobots' whereabouts; the scout valiantly refuses and asserts that he will "never talk," a move that prompts Blitzwing to "make it official" by ripping out his voice synthesizer. Badly injured, he is thrown off the cliff and prepared for execution. But B-127 uses a moment of quick thinking to rip a missile from the Decepticon's arm and shove it into his chest. B-127 takes advantage of the Decepticon's momentary confusion to kick himself away before opening fire on the missile, detonating it, and killing Blitzwing. As he limps away, Burns watches him leave trapped under a destroyed jeep. The Autobot crawls to a riverbank before collapsing from his injuries, with his memory cells critically damaged. His systems scan a nearby [[Volkswagen]] Beetle before he finally fades away to unconsciousness...

[[File:BBfilm-Charlie-finds-bee.jpg|thumb|300px|"What about you?" "He really is dead."]]
In [[Brighton Falls]], [[Charlie Watson]], a 17-year-old girl one day away from turning 18, awakens from her slumber. Since Charlie isn't over [[Charlie's dad|her father's]] death yet, she brushes off her annoying younger brother [[Otis Watson|Otis]], and her mother [[Sally Watson|Sally]]'s infatuation with her new boyfriend [[Ron (BB)|Ron]]. Charlie bikes to her job at the [[Brighton Falls Boardwalk|boardwalk]], where she is utterly humiliated in an encounter with [[Tina Lark]] and her posse. She visits [[Hank's Marine Repair and Parts]] after hours to look for car parts, discovering an old V.W. Beetle under a tarmac after accidentally knocking over some motorboats. She finds the key in the ignition and attempts to start it, but is surprised when the car emits an unintelligible signal...

On one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, Decepticon hunters [[Shatter]] and [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] interrogate Cliffjumper about Optimus Prime's whereabouts. The Autobot remains resolute, which angers his interrogators, until B-127's signal, activated on Earth by Charlie, reaches the three [[Transformer]]s. The two Decepticons agree to go to Earth and hunt down B-127 instead, and Dropkick vertically bisects Cliffjumper, killing the Autobot.

In a [[Texas]] trailer park, the dysfunctional couple, [[Roy (BB)|Roy]] and [[Amber]], argue about Roy spending the down payment for their house on a tricked-out new car, among other things. Their spiel is interrupted when a meteor crashes mere feet from them, missing Roy's new car, much to his relief. However, he's not so lucky when a second one falls as it obliterates both his prized car and their house. Headlights shining from inside the inferno give the irresponsible man some hope until Shatter and Dropkick reveal themselves and transform before them. As Roy attempts to greet the newcomers, Dropkick kills the unlucky man and leaves Amber before the Decepticons drive off to the West Coast following B-127's signal.

Failing to make progress on repairing her late father's Corvette and feeling left out by her family, Charlie wakes up to the worst 18th birthday imaginable. The disappointing presents from Sally and Ron (a pink bicycle helmet and a book about smiling more, respectively) only worsen the feeling. She fumes in her bedroom before storming over to the auto repair and asking [[Uncle Hank|Hank]] for the Beetle. She even offers to work at the shop for a year in exchange for the car, but Hank refuses since he isn't hiring employees, and Charlie can take the car for free if she can get it to start. Charlie gets to work and soon triumphantly drives her new car home.

[[File:BBfilm-Charlie-Bumblebee-garage.jpg|thumb|300px|left|"You like jazz?"]]
Charlie parks her new Beetle in the garage but is surprised when a part falls out from its undercarriage. She's even more surprised when an inspection of the vehicle reveals what appears to be a ''face'' under the car... moments before B-127 transforms and reveals himself to her. However, Charlie's only momentarily terrified as her fear turns to compassion upon seeing that the Autobot is about as afraid of her as she is of him. She manages to soothe the scared scout and emotionally connect with him, giving him the name "Bumblebee" after the warbled beeps and buzzes he makes.

[[Seymour Simmons|Agent Simmons]] relays the news of the Decepticons' landfall to Burns, who immediately prepares a team to travel to Texas and intercept them.

[[File:BBfilm-Bumblebee-pat-pat.jpg|thumb|300px|"You're flying outside the hive, talking to humans that attack our homes with power washers and M-80s!"]]
Charlie awakens the next day and goes straight to the garage, but discovers to her horror that Bumblebee has vanished without a trace. A quick interrogation of Otis reveals Sally has appropriated Charlie's car to take their dog [[Conan]] to the vet, as Ron needed to use the family station wagon. Charlie frantically chases her mother on her moped and manages to pull her over, despite Bumblebee almost blowing his cover by extending an arm out from his trunk and waving at her. She later takes the Autobot to a secluded beach, where she teaches him that he should always assume [[Alternate mode|vehicle mode]] unless the two of them are alone.

[[File:ShatterDropkickhologram.jpg|thumb|300px|left|"Mr. Bee, I'm going to ask what I think the entire court here would like to know... what exactly is your relationship to that woman?"]]
Burns' team and [[Dr. Powell]] intercept the two Decepticons in Texas and ask them to state their business. Dropkick wants to eliminate the humans, but Shatter comes up with a better idea; lying to the humans that they are a "peacekeeping Decepticon patrol." She asks Sector Seven's aid in tracking down the "dangerous escaped criminal" B-127. While Burns is doubtful, Powell, enthusiastic at the prospect of first contact with an [[alien]] species, eagerly agrees to talk to his superiors about the matter.

Bumblebee and Charlie bond in a secluded forest, but when Bee's chest starts sparking from the damage he took during his fight with Sector Seven, Charlie attempts to fix it, only to activate a holographic message sent by Optimus Prime accidentally. While the message is garbled and incomplete, hearing it jolts a memory in Bumblebee...

''Leaping from the collapsing launchpad and latching onto a Seeker to make his way down, Optimus fights his way through several Seekers before Soundwave deploys [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] to attack him. Prime manages to fight off the feline minion with some effort, but his distraction has allowed dozens of Decepticons, including Soundwave, Shockwave, and Starscream, to surround him. The Decepticons move in to attack the Autobot leader even as B-127 watches, unable to help, from his departing escape pod...''

[[File:BBfilm-Charlie-Bumblebee-hugs.jpg|thumb|300px]]
Charlie realizes that Bumblebee is on the run from something serious. When he attempts to use his broken radio, she decides she can at least fix that, and they return to her garage, where she sets about extracting the radio from the Corvette. Bumblebee starts playing a video, which turns out to be footage of her last dive meet made by her father shortly before his death. She installs the radio in Bumblebee, though he forcefully ejects the music tapes she inserts into him. While she's looking through her tapes, he starts thumbing through her father's L.P.s, and she scolds him. However, after she notices a specific record, her mood changes, and she starts playing it, recalling how she and her father used to listen to it while working on the Corvette. She tells Bee how her father died of a heart attack, and she's continued working on the car in his memory.

At Sector Seven, [[General Whalen]] leads a discussion over whether to allow the Decepticons access to their equipment. Burns believes they can't trust the Decepticons, but Whalen promises to turn them over to him once they track down B-127. Shatter and Dropkick are duly introduced to Sector Seven's array of computers, though they're more interested in the telephone network.

[[File:BBfilm-Charlie-Memo-ride-in-Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|left]]
As Bumblebee plays with his new radio, Charlie's neighbor [[Memo]] stumbles into the garage, intending to ask Charlie on a date, and is shocked at the sight of the giant robot. Charlie swears him to secrecy, and the pair go for a drive in Bumblebee. Charlie borrows Memo's shirt so she can show off by "driving" blindfolded, and they hang out of Bumblebee's sunroof.

Dr. Powell marvels over the radio at the massive worldwide interconnected web the Decepticons are constructing using the computers and telephone network to track [[energon]] signatures. Burns still has his misgivings, but Whalen believes they can turn the technology on the Decepticons.

Still driving in Bumblebee, Charlie and Memo realize that the reason the Autobot has been playing with his radio is to teach himself to speak with it. They arrive at a cliff by the seaside, where [[Tripp Summers]] challenges Charlie to dive off the cliff. When she's unable, despite urging from Bumblebee, she's cruelly mocked by Tina. Though Charlie claims not to be bothered, Memo and Bumblebee both want revenge. That night, they head to Tina's house and attempt to educate Bumblebee on the art of throwing toilet paper and eggs; this doesn't go well, culminating in Bumblebee enthusiastically jumping on Tina's car and the trio making a quick getaway before she emerges to find the damage. Their frantic driving is spotted by [[Sheriff Lock]], who gives chase in his cruiser. Bumblebee is easily able to outmaneuver Lock's vehicle, which ends up totaled as a result. The three fugitives return to Charlie's home, where they say their goodnights.

[[File:Bumblebee vs sofa.jpg|thumb|300px|"I told you, stop flying in the house!"]]
The next morning, Charlie tells Bumblebee he needs to stay in the garage as the authorities will be looking for him, and leaves for her job. Bumblebee instead ends up following Conan into the house, and his curious exploration ends up demolishing just about everything in the living room and kitchen. Finally, he ends up plugging himself into a wall socket, causing an energon-infused power surge that travels down nearby power lines. The equipment at Sector Seven detects the surge, and the Decepticons roll out, closely followed by Burns and his men. Memo also notices the commotion, so he calls Charlie, who returns home where the pair survey the devastation. Memo manages to get Bumblebee back into the garage, but Charlie realizes she's screwed. Meanwhile, the Decepticons have reached Brighton Falls.

Sally returns home with Otis to find the destruction. An argument ensues between her and Charlie, who ends up storming out. Charlie and Memo go driving to cool off, but they run into a roadblock set up by Sector Seven. Charlie tries to keep Bumblebee calm, but when the Sector Seven soldiers seize her, Bumblebee transforms and carries her off. Unfortunately, they immediately run into Shatter and Dropkick, who attempt to interrogate Bumblebee but are perplexed when the Autobot doesn't try to fight back. Burns and his men arrive and start zapping Bee with electrical guns, and Charlie gets knocked out when she attempts to help him.

[[File:BBfilm-interrogation.jpg|thumb|300px|left|"Remember what Van said, why is your life more valuable than mine?" "Funny, I just can't seem to recall that!"]]
Charlie wakes up in her bed and emerges from her room to find Agent Burns telling her parents that she had stolen valuable government equipment. Despite her protests, her mom banishes her back to her room. She promptly slips out through her window, and Otis catches her trying to get Memo's attention by throwing rocks at his window. She manages to stop him from alerting her mother. Joining Memo in his house, they watch a news report about Sector Seven setting up shop at [[McKinnon Air Base]], and Charlie reasons that's where they're holding Bumblebee. Otis is assigned to keep the plan secret while Charlie and Memo head to the base.

At the airbase, Powell watches the two Decepticons interrogate Bumblebee. Charlie and Memo sneak into the base in time to watch as the Decepticons inadvertently trigger Optimus Prime's recording, revealing that the Autobots are coming to Earth. As the Decepticons discuss the presented opportunity, Powell realizes their mistake in cooperating with the giant evil robots and tries to radio a warning to Burns before Dropkick kills him.

Sally and Ron pick over the debris in their house, and Otis is entirely unsuccessful at convincing them that Charlie is still in her room.

[[File:BBFilm-Charlie-Bee-touch-hands.jpg|thumb|300px]]
Shatter locates a nearby communications tower they can use to call in the Decepticon army. Once Dropkick blasts Bumblebee, the pair depart, and Charlie and Memo run to the lifeless Autobot's side. Charlie believes they can still revive him using the electrical guns, and though at first, it seems as though she's unsuccessful, Bumblebee sits up, and his memories start to restore. Agent Burns and his men arrive outside and blow up the exterior door before advancing inside. Charlie tells Bumblebee to run as the troops attempt to take her and Memo away, but the soldiers harpoon Bee. It's not until Burns throws Charlie to the ground that Bumblebee finds the strength to get up and start blasting, unfazed by anything the humans throw at him. Sector Seven retreats, but Charlie has to talk Bumblebee down. Charlie tries to persuade him that they need to hide, but Bumblebee is set on stopping the Decepticons. While Charlie leaves in Bee, Memo tries unsuccessfully to slow down the pursuing Sector Seven vehicles.

As Bumblebee and Charlie race through Brighton Falls, pursued by Sector Seven, they're joined by Sally and Ron in the station-wagon. Though Ron manages to obstruct Burns's vehicle successfully, he ends up spinning out as they approach a set of traffic lights, and there's an almost-pileup as multiple vehicles skid to a halt just inches from hitting each other. Shatter and Dropkick blend their technology into the communications tower at the port in preparation to send their message. Bumblebee arrives and has Charlie hide in a garbage bin for protection before he begins shooting the tower, prompting Dropkick to descend and engage the Autobot in a fierce fight. An errant missile throws Charlie from her hiding place, and, seeing Bumblebee occupied, she heads for the tower. Narrowly avoiding Bumblebee and Dropkick's fight, she starts ascending a nearby crane. Burns also arrives in a helicopter, ordering the pilot to open fire on the communications tower. The battle below moves into a dry dock, with Dropkick transforming to helicopter mode to fire at Bumblebee. Bumblebee throws a chain that hits the Decepticon's rotors, wrapping around Dropkick as he changes to robot mode and allowing Bumblebee to terminate him.

Charlie reaches the top of the crane and jumps across to the tower. Above her, Shatter shoots down the Sector Seven helicopter, sending it plunging towards the ground. Bumblebee manages to grab it before it can crash, saving Burns's life. Charlie moves to disconnect the Cybertronian power source, and when Shatter transforms into jet mode to stop her, Bumblebee shoots down the Decepticon. During the ensuing fight on the ground, Charlie successfully disconnects the tower's power source.

[[File:BBfilm-Charlie-Bee-underwater.jpg|thumb|300px|left|"You snap out of it!" "''You'' snap out of it!"]]
An enraged Shatter pounds on Bumblebee, who shoots the wall of the dry dock. Shatter mocks him for missing until the wall gives way, and Shatter gets crushed between a ship and the side of the dock. As Bumblebee sinks to the bottom of the flooded dock, Charlie overcomes her fear and dives in, finding Bumblebee at the bottom and helping him to get back to the surface. Finally seeing Bumblebee's true nature, Burns tells the pair they need to make their escape before the rest of Sector Seven arrives, and as they leave, Memo turns up just slightly too late to save the world.

[[File:BB-GoldenGateBridge.jpg|thumb|300px|"Beautiful day to fly." "Sure is."]]
Bumblebee and Charlie end up on a hill overlooking the [[Golden Gate Bridge]], where Charlie tells the Autobot that she can't interfere with his greater purpose, and they have to go their separate ways. After a tearful farewell, Bumblebee scans a passing Camaro as his new alternate mode and drives off to rendezvous with Optimus Prime on the bridge, leaving to continue his mission. Charlie returns home and reunites with her family and Memo.

That night in a nearby forest, Optimus commends Bumblebee on keeping Earth safe, as the two watch more Autobot refugees appear in the sky over Earth. Not far away, Charlie successfully gets the Corvette running and takes it for a first drive.
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==Cast==
{{featuredcharacters|
h1=[[Autobot]]s|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] ([[Dylan O'Brien]])
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
*[[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]] ([[Andrew Morgado]])
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] ([[Dennis Singletary]])
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] ([[Grey Griffin]])
*[[Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack]] ([[Steve Blum]])
*[[Brawn (ROTF)|Brawn]] ([[Kirk Baily]])
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*Autobot soldiers

|h2=[[Decepticon]]s|c2=
*[[Shatter]] ([[Angela Bassett]])
*[[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] ([[Justin Theroux]])
*[[Blitzwing (BB)|Blitzwing]] ([[David Sobolov]])
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] ([[Jon Bailey]])
**[[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]
*[[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] (Jon Bailey)
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
*[[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]]†
*[[Thrust (Movie)|Thrust]]†
*[[Seeker (Movie)|Seekers]] (Kirk Baily; [[#Transformers references|see below]])

|h3=[[Human]]s|c3=
*[[Charlie Watson]] ([[Hailee Steinfeld]])
*[[Memo]] ([[Jorge Lendeborg Jr.]])
*[[Sally Watson]] ([[Pamela Adlon]])
*[[Otis Watson]] ([[Jason Drucker]])
*[[Ron (BB)|Ron]] ([[Stephen Schneider]])
*[[Uncle Hank]] ([[Len Cariou]])
*[[Craig (BB)|Craig]] ([[Kollin Holtz]])
*[[Tina Lark]] ([[Gracie Dzienny]])
*[[Tina's girlfriends]] ([[Isabelle Ellingson]], [[Mika Kubo]])
*[[Tripp Summers]] ([[Ricardo Hoyos]])
*[[Sheriff Lock]] ([[Fred Dryer]])
*[[Roy (BB)|Roy]] ([[Lenny Jacobson]])
*[[Amber]] ([[Megyn Price]])
*[[Charlie's dad]] ([[Tim Martin Gleason]])
*[[Bill (BB)|Bill]] ([[Antonio D. Charity]])
'''[[Sector Seven]]'''
*[[Jack Burns]] ([[John Cena]])
*[[Dr. Powell]] ([[John Ortiz]])
*[[General Whalen]] ([[Glynn Turman]])
*[[Seymour Simmons]] ([[Nick Pilla]])
*[[Danny Bell]] ([[Edwin Hodge]])

|h4=Others|c4=
*[[Conan]] ([[Sterling (dog)|Sterling]])
|nonumbering=true
}}

† The individual Seekers are identified as such in packaging bios for ''Studio Series'' toys of characters featured in the film.

==Quotes==
"I'll never talk." 
"Is that right? Then let's make it official."
:—'''Bumblebee''' and '''Blitzwing''', right before the latter destroys the former's voice box.

"If ''you'' won't tell us where Prime is, perhaps your young friend will." 
"''Never''." 
"You're a brave warrior. You deserve a better death...then again..."
:—'''Shatter''' and '''Cliffjumper''', right before Dropkick executes the latter.

"I like the way they ''pop.''" 
"''Focus,'' comrade."
:—'''Dropkick''' and '''Shatter''', after the former kills a human bystander.

"I say this with all due respect...have you lost your damn mind?!" 
"''That'' was with all due respect?"
:—'''Agent Burns''' and '''Dr. Powell''' debate.

"They literally call themselves Decepticons. That doesn't set off any red flags?"
:—'''Agent Burns''' doesn't trust the giant alien robots.

"Look, I know what you saw is a little crazy. I can explain. ... Yeah, I can't explain, but here's the deal: If you tell anyone what you just saw, I'm going to have to run you over with my car." 
"...Jeez!" 
"...I don't mean that in a mean way, okay?"
:—'''Charlie''' and '''Memo'''

"Ron! We have a kid in the car!" 
"I was trying to save the other kid! What was I...It was a lose-lose!"
:—'''Sally''' and '''Ron'''

"You think these little chains can hold-"
:—'''Dropkick''' before being sliced to pieces by said little chains.

"Thank you...so much...for giving me...my voice." 
"Thank you for...for making me feel like me again."
:—'''Bumblebee''' and '''Charlie''' say their goodbyes.

"No way. You kidding me? You're telling me you could've been a Camaro this whole time?"
:—'''Charlie''' sees Bumblebee has one last trick up his sleeve.

"Old friend, you kept this planet safe. Because of you, we have a future, B-127." 
"My name... is... Bumblebee."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' thanks the newly-rechristened '''Bumblebee'''.

==Continuity notes==
As a prequel to the rest of the live-action film series, ''Bumblebee'' includes set-up elements for several of them:

* Ancillary media dating back to [[2007]] has primarily credited [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] with inflicting the injuries that caused Bumblebee to lose his voice (with both the [[Aligned continuity family]] and the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|''Cyberverse'' cartoon]] adapting the idea for their continuities), but internal to the films themselves, no specifics were ever provided, with "damage in battle" being the only reason given for the little Autobot's muteness. ''Bumblebee'' tells the on-screen version of the story, revealing that Blitzwing was the culprit.
* Meanwhile, Megatron himself is notably absent from the film's Cybertron-set prelude since, per the first movie's events, he is frozen on Earth at the time.
* The first film introduced Sector 7 and their [[Hoover Dam]] headquarters. A young [[Seymour Simmons]] (played by [[John Turturro]] in the present-day films) appears among the organization's ranks.
* Thanks to Charlie fitting him with a working radio, Bumblebee learns how to "speak" by using snippets of music to express himself, which is, of course, how he communicates in all the other films.
* Burns warns Whalen of the potential for Decepticon attacks on Earth, citing [[Washington, D.C.]], [[New York City]] and [[Chicago]] as possible targets. All three of these cities experienced Decepticon activity in other ''Transformers'' films: New York in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', and D.C. and Chicago in ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]''.
* At the end of the movie, Bumblebee scans the [[1977]] Camaro mode that he had at the start of the original ''Transformers'' film.

Despite its notional "prequel" status, the film underwent significant reshoots ([[#Changes before, during, and after production|see below]]) that resulted in the deletion, alteration, and addition of scenes that create disjointedness between ''Bumblebee'' and the rest of the film series, even by the standard of the film series' usual ''laissez-faire'' approach to continuity, including:

* The ''big'' principal continuity-breaker is that the film completely throws out ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'''s premise that Bumblebee and the Autobots were active on Earth during significant periods throughout history, such as the {{w|American Revolutionary War}}, the {{w|Napoleonic Wars}}, [[World War I]], [[World War II]] and so on, and instead shows Bumblebee to have first come to Earth in [[1987]]. By extension, this also throws the film's [[Transformers: Bumblebee Movie Prequel|prequel comic]], which also operated on ''The Last Knight''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s premise, out the window.
* More circumstantially, the film's aesthetics are notably different, hewing much closer to Generation 1. Cybertron itself closely resembles its Generation 1 design instead of the "honeycomb" design seen in ''Dark of the Moon'' and ''The Last Knight''. Bumblebee's '77 Camaro robot-mode body, seen in the film's mid-credits sequence, is entirely different from his 2007 film appearance, instead depicted as a variation of the body used through the rest of this film.
* Sector 7 refers to their meeting with Shatter and Dropkick as "first contact," which feels a little off since, according to the first film, they've kept the AllSpark and the frozen Megatron in their Hoover Dam base since the early 20th century. Neither Megatron nor the AllSpark are mentioned in the movie's final cut, with Dropkick and Shatter showing no awareness of them despite being allowed into the base where Sector 7 keeps them—but these aren't really true inter-movie continuity-breaking discrepancies, as the same thing happened in the ''original'' cut of the film, where Megatron ''did'' appear in Sector Seven's possession in a mid-credits scene (again [[#Changes before, during, and after production|see below]]).
* In-keeping with the AllSpark going unmentioned, the Autobots leave Cybertron because they are on the losing end of the war, with Bumblebee going to Earth to establish a fallback position for his comrades, rather than to search for the cube. This isn't particularly incompatible what we see of 'Bee in the first film; the fact that the Autobots are seen arriving on Earth at the end in 1987 when the first film showed them coming in 2007 is more incongruous, but no more so than ''The Last Knight'' claiming that they'd already been there for centuries. Reconciling either ''The Last Knight'' or ''Bumblebee'' with the first film requires assuming that the Autobots will leave Earth again at some point in the next 20 years to search other planets and systems for the AllSpark, as mentioned in the first film's prologue, only to return when Bumblebee discovers it was on Earth all along—but as we said, this movie doesn't mention that. Notably, having Bumblebee lose his voice ''after'' coming to Earth actually ''necessitates'' a meeting between 'Bee and the other Autobots before the first movie. Ratchet noted in that film that he'd been trying to fix Bumblebee's voice for a while, meaning his arrival in 2007 couldn't be the first time he'd seen Bumblebee since he lost his voice.

These breaks in continuity have led to a debate among fans over whether the film constitutes a "hard reboot" of the movie universe (beginning a new run of films that are fully separate from the timeline of the five Michael Bay films) or if it's merely a "soft reboot" (comparable to ''{{w|X-Men: First Class}}'', another "prequel" movie that had irreconcilable continuity discrepancies with the film series it was meant to be part of, but was nonetheless treated as "canon"). The filmmakers have used made vague and contradictory statements referring to the movie's place in continuity; director Travis Knight said the film was "essentially (...) restarting the franchise and (...) rebooting these characters,"<ref>[https://www.moviefone.com/news/bumblebee-director-travis-knight-interview/ Interview with Travis Knight at Moviefone.com]</ref> (note the non-definitive "essentially"), while associate producer Lorenzo Di Bonaventura said it was "neither a reboot nor a remake."<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/03/24/lorenzo-di-bonaventura-highlights-the-future-direction-of-the-transformers-movie-series-385782 Di Bonaventura interview at TFW2005.com]</ref> Hasbro themselves referred to the film as "the start of a new storytelling universe",<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/02/16/transformers-brand-info-from-new-york-toy-fair-2019-fan-media-panel-hasbrotoyfair-383106 Transformers Brand Info From New York Toy Fair 2019 Fan Media Panel, TFW2005.com]</ref> but when asked about that, Di Bonventura interpreted the ill-defined phrase as simply meaning the creators had "freedom" to tell new stories that didn't necessarily follow the rules of the other films. Many movie new sites have pounced on these statements to declare the film an unambiguous reboot, leading to that sentiment being widely repeated across other sites, but ultimately, it has to be understood that the word "reboot" does not always mean to filmmakers and executives what it means to continuity-minded fans, and that they don't really think about "continuity" and "canon" that same precise way we do. The 2023 sequel, ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]'', was promoted with similar fuzzy statements and mixed-messaging about whether the film truly constituted a total reboot or not.

==Transformers references==

[[File:BBfilm-Optimus-Prime-leaps-into-battle.jpg|thumb|300px|"All right, scramble, jocks! It's time to fly."]]
*During the opening battle on Cybertron, the Autobots' weapons fire orange laser blasts, while the Decepticons' fire blue ones, replicating the color-coded blaster fire of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]] (though there, the Decepticons' weapons fire ''purple'' blasts).
*Optimus Prime's entrance into the battle on Cybertron is a direct reference to his famous leap into action from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
*In another seeming ''The Movie'' homage, Brawn is downed by a shot to the shoulder during his cameo. This time, however, he survives and is seen among the Autobots getting into the escape pods.
*The well-known Autobots are accompanied by [[generic]] recolors of Ironhide with one of two new heads.<ref name="ILM">[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece BUMBLEBEE: DEVELOPING AN EPIC SET PIECE] at ILM</ref>
*The Seekers' Cybertronian alternate modes are loosely inspired by their "tetrajet" modes from the [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|first Generation 1 episode]].
*Starscream is the only "unique" Seeker to appear during the film's Cybertron sequences. The rest of their forces are made up of countless robots that recycle five generic designs: blue-and-white (based on [[Thundercracker (G1)|Generation 1 Thundercracker]]), [[:File:BB-Skywarp-concept.jpg|purple-and-grey]] (based on [[Skywarp (G1)|Generation 1 Skywarp]]), [[:File:BB-Thrust-concept.jpg|green-and-grey]] (based on [[Thrust (Armada)|''Armada'' Thrust]]),<ref name="ILM" /> teal-and-white, and grey-and-red. The "Thrust" model has a triangular protrusion position behind its head, loosely replicating the character's "[[Conehead]]" appearance without actually giving him a genuine conehead.
**While it is hard to determine which (if any!) of these generic robots are the ''actual'' movie universe incarnations of [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]], [[Skywarp (Movie)|Skywarp]], and [[Thrust (Movie)|Thrust]], ''Studio Series'' toy bios help clear matters up: the ''real'' Thrust is stated to be the one who joins Starscream in "blast[ing] the Autobot[s'] launchpad with missile fire to stop their escape from Cybertron".
**Of course, the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|console version of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' game]] features [[Seeker Warrior]]s colored like Thundercracker, [[Seeker Sniper]]s colored like Skywarp, and [[Seeker Scout]]s colored like Thrust. Coincidence?
*As Optimus calls retreat, Arcee and Cliffjumper wield pistols that are a direct design match to the "generic" pistol design used for Autobots in season 2 of the Generation 1 cartoon.
*The Cybertron tower containing the launchpad is based on the [[Great Dome]].<ref name="ILM" />
*[[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave's]] eye flickers very subtly during his brief line of dialogue like his [[Shockwave (G1)|Generation 1 counterpart]].
*[[Shatter]], according to Travis Knight, is based on [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbird]].
*The concept of Cybertron falling into Decepticon hands and the Autobots initiating a mass exodus originates from the Aligned continuity family, although in this case, the Autobots depart in individual escape pods instead of [[Ark (disambiguation)|a single gargantuan starship]].
*[[Teletraan-I]] can be sighted in the background as the Autobots enter their escape pods.
*The [[Transformation#The noise|classic transformation noise]] is used ''liberally'' throughout the entire film. Some variant of it can be heard whenever a Transformer goes through a full-body transformation sequence onscreen, as well as whenever Bumblebee draws his arm blaster.
*Blitzwing drops a well-known [[Furmanism]] as he fights B-127, stating that the Autobot will "[[Furmanism#DIE SCREAMING|die screaming]]... like [B-127's] friends!"
[[File:BBFilm-Optimus-as-Freightliner.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*Memo is reading a copy of [[GoBots|''GoBots Magazine'']], which he tosses aside when he sees Charlie. Though ''GoBots Magazine'' was a real publication, the issue Memo reads isn't one of the five real-life issues that exist; however, it faithfully emulates their cover style, down to the "Collector Poster Inside" cover tag. In a deleted scene, Memo even theorizes that Bumblebee is a GoBot.
*A snippet of "[[The Touch]]" plays when Bumblebee is "encouraging" Charlie to dive from the cliff.
*The fight between Bumblebee and Dropkick includes a sequence where Dropkick picks up Bumblebee and throws him. Then the Autobot lands in car mode, veers around, and jumps to punch him in the face—which harkens back to the fight choreography between [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] from the G1 cartoon's season 1 opening credits.
*Optimus' vehicle mode at the end of the film is a Freightliner cab-over truck ''very'' similar to his G1 counterpart. He's even pulling the classic trailer, which has the signature 'stripe' on its side!

==Real-life references==
*One of the vehicles Bumblebee rejects scanning is the Urban Assault Vehicle from ''{{w|Stripes (film)|Stripes}}''.
*Charlie has a poster for the rock band {{w|The Pretenders}}, which coincidentally is the name of a Transformers [[Pretender|sub group]] involving the robots disguising themselves as human.
*Throughout the film, Charlie wears band shirts for {{w|Elvis Costello and the Attractions}}, {{w|Motörhead}}, {{w|The Damned (band)|The Damned}}, {{w|The Rolling Stones}}, and {{w|The Smiths}}.
*Charlie eats {{w|Mr. T Cereal}}.
*The Watson family dog, Conan, is named after {{w|Conan the Barbarian}}.
*Uncle Hank and Charlie's family watch ''[[ALF]]'', a sitcom from the '80s about an alien taking refuge in a human home. Fitting. However, see Errors.
*The station wagon Charlie's family drives is based on the one in ''{{w|National Lampoon's Vacation}}''.
*Cliffjumper repeats his name and rank while being interrogated by Shatter and Dropkick, which references a real-life rule in the {{w|Geneva Convention}} that states these are the only things soldiers have to divulge under interrogation. More specifically, this references a typical exaggeration in film and TV in which soldiers ''only recite these'' in response to their captors.
*The transmission that Cliffjumper and the Decepticons pick up from B-127 is the theme song to ''[[Cheers]]''.
*Dropkick and Shatter's arrival on Earth almost mirrors the appearance of the Bug in ''{{w|Men in Black (1997 film)|Men in Black}}''.
*Bumblebee watches ''{{w|The Breakfast Club}}'', leading to him emulating [[Judd Nelson]]'s iconic fist pump several times throughout the rest of the film.
*After repairing Bumblebee's radio, Charlie inserts a cassette of The Smiths' album ''{{w|Strangeways, Here We Come}}'' and "{{w|Girlfriend in a Coma (song)|Girlfriend in a Coma}}" briefly plays before Bee ejects the tape.
*Charlie also tries inserting a cassette of the [[Rick Astley]] album ''{{w|Whenever You Need Somebody}}'', causing it to play a snippet from "{{w|Never Gonna Give You Up}}".
[[File:BBfilm-cassette-drawer.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*Other musicians featured in Charlie's drawer of cassettes include {{w|Joan Jett}}, {{w|Adam and the Ants}}, {{w|Guns N' Roses}}, {{w|Talking Heads}}, {{w|INXS}}, {{w|Pink Floyd}}, {{w|Oingo Boingo}}, {{w|Huey Lewis and the News}}, and {{w|Prism (band)|PRiSM}}. She also mentions {{w|Stevie Nicks}} and The Rolling Stones while searching for tapes.
*The record Charlie takes from her father's collection is {{w|Sam Cooke}}'s 1961 album ''Sam's Songs'', and when she puts it on, Sam Cooke's version of "{{w|Unchained Melody}}" plays. However, see Errors. Also seen in the collection of records is {{w|Roxy Music}}'s ''{{w|For Your Pleasure}}''.
*Shatter asks Powell to "take [the Decepticons] to your leader," referencing the ages-old trope from early alien-related science fiction.
*The letters 'BFG' are written on Charlie's jean jacket, a reference to ''{{w|The BFG}}'', a children's book about a young girl befriending a big, friendly giant and defeating a group of evil giants together. Also quite fitting.
*Sector Seven uses a variant of the WOPR supercomputer from ''{{w|WarGames}}''.
*While looking around the Watsons' house, Bumblebee is briefly intrigued by a can of {{w|Tab (drink)|Tab}} soda and a game of ''{{w|Pong}}'' running on an [[Atari, Inc.|Atari 2600]]. However, see Errors.
*Otis wears a {{w|Bruce Lee}} T-shirt during the third act.
*Memo's room has posters for ''{{w|The Thing (1982 film)|The Thing}}'', ''[[Indiana Jones|Raiders of the Lost Ark]]'', Tom Baker-era ''[[Doctor Who]]'', and a {{w|Heather Thomas}} pin-up.
*Bumblebee's rampage is a direct nod to the 1999 [[Warner Bros.]] animated film ''{{w|The Iron Giant}}'', in which the titular robot protagonist assaults the U.S. military with glowing red optics in retaliation for them harming his human best friend.
*Ron claims he learned his driving skills from ''{{w|Miami Vice}}''.

==Errors==
*The episode of ''ALF'' that Charlie's family watch is episode 20 of season 2, "You Ain't Nothin' But a Hound Dog". The episode originally aired on February 29, 1988, a year after the movie is meant to occur.
*Charlie starts playing the first track on Sam Cooke's album ''Sam's Songs'', which ought to have been "Little Things You Do" rather than "Unchained Melody". The latter song doesn't even appear on the album, being the last track on side A of Cooke's earlier release ''Hits of the 50's''.
*Powell remarks that the Decepticon modifications to the S7 computers have created an "interconnected web of information," implying that the Internet's technology originated from the Decepticons. However, the idea of an interconnected network of computers for communications and data transfer was developing for decades before the film's setting in the late 1980s. The term "Internet" first appeared in the mid-1970s.
*Bumblebee watches a game of ''Pong'' running on the Atari 2600 plugged into the Watsons' television. However, ''Pong'' was never released as a standalone game for the 2600, only appearing as part of the ''{{w|Video Olympics}}'' game compilation, which featured a colorized remake that looked entirely different from the classic black-and-white version shown on the screen. The paddles are also seen moving on their own, despite no one touching the controllers and the game lacking any paddles in its attract mode.
*Simmons identifies Brighton Falls as a "coastal town." However, both the {{w|Richmond–San Rafael Bridge}} and {{w|Marin Islands|East Marin Island}} can be seen in the background of the Watsons' house establishing shots, which would place Brighton Falls within the San Francisco Bay, not quite on the coast. Furthermore, this causes problems with the [[Brighton Falls Boardwalk]], which faces the ocean... maybe Brighton Falls is just a ''very'' large town?

==Tie-in material==
*''[[Transformers: Bumblebee Movie Prequel]]''
During the lead-up to the release of the movie [[IDW Publishing]] released a four-issue limited series detailing an adventure set in the 60s, during which Bumblebee works with British intelligence to foil the plans of a group of Decepticons, including Blitzwing. It seems likely that author [[John Barber]] was working off an earlier draft of the film, which simply began with Bumblebee already on Earth in the time frame between ''The Last Knight'' and ''Bumblebee''.

*"[[Sector 7 Adventures: The Battle at Half Dome]]"
A one-shot promotional comic, that was released as [[pack-in material]] with the home video release and as a motion comic among the film's special features. The comic follows [[Seymour Simmons]] two years after the film's events, and serves to help bridge the gap between ''Bumblebee'' and the 2007 film.

==Music==
Two albums were released for the film:
*''[[Bumblebee (Motion Picture Score)]]'' - showcasing composer [[Dario Marianelli]]'s score for the film.
*''[[Bumblebee (Motion Picture Soundtrack)]]'' - featuring the film's diegetic music as well as Hailee Steinfeld's end credits song, "Back to Life."

==Home video releases==
{{main|Bumblebee (film)/home video}}
''Bumblebee'' was released on digital platforms on [[March 19]]; and on DVD, Blu-ray, and 4K on [[April 2]]. A limited edition VHS copy was sent out as a promotional item, but was not available at retail.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/04/01/transformers-bumblebee-movie-out-now-on-vhs-real-vhs-promo-copy-with-pics-386407 TFW2005 VHS coverage]</ref>

==Theatrical posters==
<center><gallery>
File:BumblebeeCharlieSilhouettePoster.jpg|Yellow-black,
File:BumblebeeCrouchingPoster.jpg|yellow-black,
File:BumblebeeUSMoviePoster.jpeg|yellow-black,
File:BumblebeeMovieNewPoster.jpeg|yellow-black...
File:BumblebeePosingPoster.jpg|Ooh, black and yellow!
File:BumblebeeBurnsDecepticons.jpg|Yeah, let's shake it up a little.
</gallery></center>

==Reception==
{{quote|Mankind has split the atom, sent a man to the moon, and now, in arguably its most unlikely achievement, it has produced a watchable ''Transformers'' movie.|Scott Tobias|[http://www.npr.org/2018/12/20/677501424/flight-of-the-bumblebee-transformers-flick-soars-over-low-franchise-expectations NPR review]}}

Coming off the notoriously poor reception to ''The Last Knight,'' ''Bumblebee'' had a ways to go in terms of redeeming the ''Transformers'' film franchise for both Paramount and the general movie-going public. However, the film was positively received by critics, who generally praised Travis Knight's restrained directorial approach, Hailee Steinfeld's acting, the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1]]-styled robot designs, and Charlie and Bumblebee's dynamic, comparing the film to its spiritual predecessors, ''{{w| E.T. the Extraterrestrial|E.T.}}'' and ''{{w|The Iron Giant}}''. The film currently holds a 92% and a "Certified Fresh" rating on Rotten Tomatoes.<ref>[https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bumblebee/ ''Bumblebee'' review on Rotten Tomatoes]</ref>

After making $500,000 at 325 theaters from its December 8 preview screenings,<ref>[https://deadline.com/2018/12/aquaman-sneak-preview-box-office-amazon-prime-1202521144/ ‘Aquaman’ Amazon Prime Previews Hook Near $3M Besting ‘Jumanji 2’]</ref> ''Bumblebee'' made its domestic opening alongside ''{{w|Aquaman (film)|Aquaman}}'', ''{{w|Welcome to Marwen}}'', and ''{{w|Second Act (film)|Second Act}}'', and proceeded to gross $21 million over its first weekend, finishing third behind ''Aquaman'' and ''{{w|Mary Poppins Returns}}''.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2018/12/aquaman-bumblebee-christmas-thursday-night-previews-weekend-box-office-1202524462/ 'Aquaman’ Unwraps $22M+ On Christmas For $105M+ Cume; ‘Holmes & Watson’ Opens To $6M+; ‘Vice’ $4M+]</ref> In its second weekend, ''Bumblebee'' grossed another $20.5 million, remaining in third place.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2018/12/aquaman-mary-poppins-returns-bumblebee-new-years-weekend-box-office-1202526812/ 'Aquaman’ Sailing To $52M+ 2nd Weekend; $189M+ Cume Pacing Ahead Of ‘Doctor Strange’ & ‘Guardians Of The Galaxy’]</ref> ''Bumblebee'' ended its domestic box office run on March 7, 2019, with a total domestic gross of $127.2 million, and earned an additional $340.8 million overseas (including $170.8 million from China) for a worldwide total gross of $468 million.<ref>[https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt4701182/?ref_=bo_se_r_1 Bumblebee - Box Office Mojo]</ref> While that total makes it the lowest-grossing entry in the live-action film series to date, Viacom CEO Bob Bakish stated in January 2019 that ''Bumblebee'' was "solidly profitable," praising the film's performance as a turnaround for Paramount following the money-losing ''The Last Knight'',<ref>[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/viacom-ceo-says-hes-mulling-small-acquisition-targets-1175029 Viacom CEO Says He's Mulling Small Acquisition Targets]</ref> which ''did'' make more money but not enough to recoup its monstrous budget.

In 2019, ''Bumblebee'' became the first ''Transformers'' film since the 2007 film not to be nominated for any {{w|Golden Raspberry Award}}s. Indeed, the film was one of those selected as a candidate for a {{w|The Razzie Redeemer Award|Razzie Redeemer Award}}, with the website praising the film's more "innocent and endearing" approach to the franchise.<ref>[https://razzies.com/razz-newz.html Razz Newz]</ref>

==Production staff==
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==Development details==
*March 27, 2015 — [[Paramount Pictures]] negotiates with [[Akiva Goldsman]], hiring him to create a "writer's room" with the intention of building a cinematic universe.<ref name="goldsman">[http://deadline.com/2015/03/transformers-akiva-goldsman-paramount-sequels-spinoffs-1201400027/ Paramount Enlisting Akiva Goldsman To Ramp Up 'Transformers' Output] on deadline.com</ref> Goldsman goes on to hire a number of writers over the next few months: [[Steven DeKnight]] (''Daredevil''),<ref>[http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/transformers-cinematic-universe/35696/transformers-cinematic-details-more-writers-over-10-films Transformers cinematic details]</ref> [[Robert Kirkman]] (''The Walking Dead''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom">[http://deadline.com/2015/05/transformers-writers-robert-kirkman-zak-penn-art-marcum-matt-holloway-jeff-pinkner-1201430601/ 'Transformers' Spinoff & Sequel Scribes Set] on Deadline.com</ref> [[Art Marcum]] and [[Matt Holloway]] (''Iron Man''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> Christina Hodson (''Shut In'', ''The Fugitive''),<ref name="hodsonbeer">[http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/446175-christina-hodson-and-lindsey-beer-join-transformers-writing-team Christina Hodson and Lindsey Beer Join the Transformers Writing Team]</ref> [[Lindsey Beer]] (''Dig''),<ref name="hodsonbeer" /> [[Zak Penn]] (''Pacific Rim 2''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Jeff Pinkner]] (''The Amazing Spider-Man 2'', ''Lost''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Andrew Barrer]] and [[Gabriel Ferrari]] (''Ant-Man''),<ref name="barrerferrari">[http://deadline.com/2015/05/transformers-ant-man-andrew-barrer-gabriel-ferrari-cybertron-1201433402/ 'Ant-Man' Scribes Andrew Barrer & Gabriel Ferrari Join 'Transformers' Writers Room] on Deadline</ref> [[Ken Nolan]] (''Black Hawk Down''), and [[Geneva Robertson-Dworet]].<ref name="nolandworet">[http://www.slashfilm.com/transformers-writers-room/ Akiva Goldsman Teases 'Transformers' Franchise Plans]</ref> Involved in the pitching process are [[Steven Spielberg]], [[Michael Bay]], [[Brian Goldner]], [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]], [[Mark Vahradian]], and [[Don Murphy]].<ref name="deadlinereveal">[http://deadline.com/2015/09/transformers-writers-room-akiva-goldsman-transformers-5-1201531918/ 'Transformers' Writers Room Wraps] on Deadline</ref>
*October 3, 2015 — During his keynote speech at the MIP Junior Conference, [[Allspark (company)|Allspark]]'s [[Stephen J. Davis]] notes that the writing team has come up with film concepts for Transformers 5, 6, 7, and 8.<ref name="stephendaviskeynote">[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_P2fw_DlS4?t=812 Stephen Davis's keynote speech] at MIPJunior.</ref>[[File:TransformersUniverseBumblebeePoster.jpg|thumb|right|200px|"My sweater is Ralph Lauren, and I have no pants."]]
*February 12, 2016 — At ToyFair, Hasbro reveals the projected release date of Transformers 6, along with those of its predecessor and [[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Transformers 7]], as well as the fact that Transformers 6 will focus on Bumblebee.<ref name="toyfairreveal">[http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/02/12/transformers-5-transformers-6-bumblebee-spin-off-movie-revealed-309503 Transformers 5, Transformers 6 And Bumblebee Spin-Off Movie Revealed] ToyFair news at TFW2005</ref>
*December 29, 2016 — Lorenzo di Bonaventura names Christina Hodson as the screenwriter in an interview.<ref name="hodson">[http://collider.com/transformers-5-plot-characters-dinobots-details/ 'The Last Knight' Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura Reveals How a 'Transformers' Movie Is Made] on Collider</ref>
*March 3, 2017 — [[Travis Knight]] is appointed director.<ref name="deadlinedirector">[https://deadline.com/2017/03/bumblebee-movie-travis-knight-director-kubo-and-the-two-strings-1202034882/ Travis Knight To Direct ‘Transformers’ Spinoff ‘Bumblebee’ At Paramount]</ref>
*May 26, 2017 — A poster at Licensing Expo 2017 gives the name of the film as ''Transformers Universe: Bumblebee''.<ref name="expoposter">[https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1724400/the-bumblebee-movie-just-got-a-new-title-and-a-cool-80s-logo "The Bumblebee Movie Just Got A New Title And A Cool 80s Logo"]</ref>
*June 10, 2017 — [[Hailee Steinfeld]] reveals in an interview that she's been cast in the film.<ref>[http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/pitch-perfect-pop-star-hailee-steinfeld-hits-charts-with-most-girls-single-and-lands-transformers-role/news-story/47a238f0e75bf06a0ffc34a18e9906e4 Pitch Perfect pop star Hailee Steinfeld hits charts with Most Girls single and lands Transformers role]</ref>
*July 11, 2017 — [[Jorge Lendeborg Jr.]] is reported by The Hollywood Reporter to have been cast as the male lead.<ref>[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/transformers-spinoff-bumblebee-casts-jorge-lendeborg-jr-as-male-lead-1017547 'Transformers' Spinoff 'Bumblebee' Casts Jorge Lendeborg Jr. as Male Lead (Exclusive)] on Hollywood Reporter</ref>
*July 13, 2017 — More actors including [[Jason Drucker]], [[Abby Quinn]], [[Rachel Crow]], [[Ricardo Hoyos]], and [[Gracie Dzienny]] join the cast.<ref>[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/transformers-spinoff-bumblebee-rounds-cast-1019823 'Transformers' Spinoff 'Bumblebee' Rounds Out Cast (Exclusive)]</ref>
*July 23, 2017 — [[Pamela Adlon]] joins the cast.<ref>[http://deadline.com/2017/07/pamela-adlon-bumblebee-movie-transformers-casting-1202133812/ Pamela Adlon Joins Cast Of 'Transformers' Spinoff 'Bumblebee']</ref>
*July 31, 2017 — [[John Cena]] is announced as a cast member. Also, Bumblebee is a Volkswagen this time. The film is pushed back to December 2018. Production begins,<ref name="cenareveal">[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/john-cena-joins-transformers-spinoff-bumblebee-1025411 John Cena Joins 'Transformers' Spinoff 'Bumblebee' (Exclusive)] on Hollywood Reporter</ref> with the filming going under the codename "Brighton Falls".<ref>[https://screenrant.com/transformers-bumblebee-working-title-filming-start/ Bumblebee Spinoff Working Title & Filming Start Date Revealed] on Screenrant</ref>
*August 6, 2017 — Hailee Steinfeld reveals on Twitter that her character's name is [[Charlie Watson]].<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Meet Charlie Watson. #BumblebeeTheMovie https://t.co/Z8kA8DGRk3|link=https://twitter.com/haileesteinfeld/status/894296888643432448|name=Hailee Steinfeld|site=Twitter|year=2017|month=8|day=6|(defunct=)}}</ref>
*September 9, 2017 — At [[HasCon 2017]], di Bonaventura discusses some hints on the film, including that the movie is set in [[1986]].<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/09/hascon-2017-bumblebee-movie-tidbits-348630 Hascon 2017: The Bumblebee Movie Tidbits] on TFW2005</ref>[[File:BumblebeeMovie firstlook.jpg|thumb|350px|"There's a bee in the car!"]]
*September 12, 2017 — Actor and stuntman [[Rory Markham]] reveals on Instagram that he is playing a [[Sector Seven]] agent named [[Agent Adams|Adams]].<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/12/sector-7-returns-transformers-universe-bumblebee-movie-348886 Sector 7 Returns in Transformers Universe: Bumblebee Movie] on TFW2005</ref>
*September 20, 2017 — Travis Knight reveals the first Decepticon vehicle mode in the form of a 1971 Plymouth GTX.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=LAIKA Pres & CEO Travis Knight on the set of his live-action film BUMBLEBEE. Travis will have more news on this & the next LAIKA film soon! https://t.co/SatTvufvhO|link=https://twitter.com/LAIKAStudios/status/910549230602788864|name=LAIKA Studios|site=Twitter|year=2017|month=9|day=20|(defunct=)}}</ref>
*October 2, 2017 — [[Peter Cullen]] has a role in the movie.<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/10/02/peter-cullen-confirmed-bumblebee-movie-351131 Peter Cullen Confirmed In The Bumblebee Movie] on TFW2005</ref>
*October 26, 2017 — [[John Ortiz]] is revealed to be a cast member.<ref>[http://deadline.com/2017/10/john-ortiz-paramount-bumblebee-spinoff-peppermint-stxfilms-1202195412/ John Ortiz Cast In 'Bumblebee' Spinoff & 'Peppermint'] on Deadline.com</ref>
*November 12, 2017 — A wrap party for the movie reveals the movie's title as ''Bumblebee: The Movie''.<ref>[https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1724400/the-bumblebee-movie-just-got-a-new-title-and-a-cool-80s-logo The Bumblebee Movie Just Got A New Title And A Cool 80s Logo] on Cinema Blend</ref>
*December 11, 2017 — {{w|Martin Short}} is revealed to be doing some voice work for the film.<ref>[http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/attheshore/headliners/steve-martin-and-martin-short-head-to-borgata-for-an/article_7d516048-de98-11e7-9fa4-c7175ccf2b9d.html Steve Martin and Martin Short head to Borgata for an unforgettable evening] on pressofatlanticcity.com</ref>
*December 29, 2017 — A "first look" photo is released showing Hailee Steinfeld and Bumblebee's Volkswagen alternate mode.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=First Look at "Bumblebee" from @ParamountPics with Hailee Steinfeld! #Bumblebee hits theaters on Dec. 21, 2018! https://t.co/6ROMvWRrML|link=https://twitter.com/AwardsCircuit/status/946794788988293121|name=Clayton Davis|site=Twitter|year=2017|month=12|day=29}}</ref>
*January 28, 2018 — During an interview at the Grammys, Hailee Steinfeld suggests Bumblebee may sing during the movie.<ref>[https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/lifestyle/8096803/hailee-steinfeld-hair-waves-2018-grammys-how-to Interview on Billboard.com]</ref>
*February 16, 2018 — At [[Toy Fair 2018]], Hasbro states that the film series will be reset after ''Bumblebee: The Movie''.<ref name="reboot" />
*April 24, 2018 — Footage of the film is shown at Cinemacon.<ref>[http://comicbook.com/movies/2018/04/26/first-bumblebee-footage-transformers-cinemacon/ First 'Bumblebee' Footage Previews the 'Transformers' Spinoff at CinemaCon] at comicbook.com</ref>
[[File:BumblebeeMovieShatter&Dropkick.jpeg|thumb|300px|"Thanks for the coffee. Sorry, I couldn't finish it. If I did, I'd be up the rest of my life."]]
*June 5, 2018 — The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAIX12F6958 official teaser trailer] is posted by Paramount Pictures, also revealing the film's title has been shortened to just ''Bumblebee''.
*June 6, 2018 — [[Charlie Adler]] reveals he is not in ''Bumblebee''.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Sadly no . But I’m sure whoever is doing it is wonderful ! It’s been a wonderful franchise for me for a long time and now some else’s turn !! Break a leg !|link=https://twitter.com/charlie_adler/status/1004401979597025280|name=Charlie Adler|site=Twitter|year=2018|month=06|day=06}}</ref>
*June 8, 2018 — [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] is initially stated to be in the film in a blog post on Paramount's parent company before his name is later scrubbed from the post afterward.<ref>[http://blog.viacom.com/2018/06/bumblebee-transforms-hailee-steinfelds-life-in-first-trailer/ Original text: "But things get hectic. The military lurks. So does dreaded Decepticon Starscream." Revised text: "But things get hectic. The military lurks. So does a dreaded Decepticon."]</ref>
*July 13, 2018 — Entertainment Weekly reveals [[Angela Bassett]] and [[Justin Theroux]] will voice new Decepticons [[Shatter]] and [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] respectively.<ref>[http://ew.com/movies/2018/07/13/bumblebee-decepticon-trackers-first-look/ First Look: Bumblebee unveils two new Decepticon muscle cars]</ref>
*July 20, 2018 — A ''Bumblebee'' panel at the [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018 reveals more information on the film, such as details regarding the characters.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-bumblebee-movie-panel-in-hall-h-at-sdcc2018-jointhebuzz/41645/ Seibertron's coverage on the SDCC'18 Bumblebee panel.]</ref> Also, John Cena dressed as Bumblebee.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I asked the fine folks @IGN to help me find the true meaning of robot existence at #SDCC. But did I, as John Cena, find the answers to living as a Bumblebee? Let’s find out. @bumblebeemovie https://t.co/j4RJde71Cg https://t.co/nEqBtuVgL2|link=https://twitter.com/JohnCena/status/1020800460125605890|name=John Cena|site=Twitter|year=2018|month=7|day=21|(defunct=)}}</ref>
*August 26–30, 2018 — [[David Sobolov]] confirms he is part of the cast of ''Bumblebee'' as the voice of [[Blitzwing (BB)|Blitzwing]].{{citesocial|quote=#Transformers fans... @ParamountPics has given me the ok to reveal I’m playing a role in the upcoming epic @bumblebeemovie! As of now I’m not authorized to tell you my character’s name. More news about that soon! Who do you think it is? @transformers @tfw2005 @seibertroncom https://t.co/XNeyuvmqQT|link=https://twitter.com/volobos/status/1033867788824309760|name=David Sobolov|site=Twitter|year=2018|month=8|day=27|(defunct=)}}<ref>{{citesocial|quote=#Transformers fans... It's time to reveal I'm the voice of Blitzwing in @bumblebeemovie ! Thank you TravisKnight and @ParamountPics for this exciting chance to work on another epic @transformers adventure.|link=https://twitter.com/volobos/status/1035346211392368640|name=David Sobolov|site=Twitter|year=2018|month=8|day=30|defunct=y}}</ref> 
*September 22–23, 2018 — Three teasers were released on various platforms with many different languages, revealing [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]'s appearance in the movie. Additionally, shots were revealed of Optimus Prime's design, the three major Decepticons in the movie, and [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/soundwave-and-optimus-prime-featured-in-teaser-for-next-bumblebee-movie-trailer/42075/ Seibertron's article including the two of the teasers released] and [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/new-bumblebee-movie-teaser-with-blitzwing-and-barricade/42078/ an article with one of the teasers.]</ref>
*September 24, 2018 — The official trailer is uploaded by Paramount Pictures' YouTube channel, revealing (among other things) [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and the [[Seeker (Movie)|Seeker]]s' appearances in the movie. A second international trailer is released, showcasing some more scenes. An interview with Travis Knight on the new trailer is also published, revealing Starscream (''now'' it's legitimate) and [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]]'s appearance in ''Bumblebee''.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcwmDAYt22k Bumblebee (2018) - New Official Trailer] and [https://www.cbr.com/bumblebee-international-trailer-optimus-prime-cybertron/ an article showcasing the international trailer.] [https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/bumblebee-trailer-breakdown-travis-knight/ Interview with Knight.]</ref>
*September 27, 2018 - Before a special showing of [[The Transformers: The Movie|the animated movie]], another interview with Travis Knight and Hailee Steinfeld was seen AND a brief scene of Charlie and Bee's first interaction.
*November 13, 2018 - ''Bumblebee'' is rated PG-13 for sci-fi violence.<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/13/transformers-bumblebee-movie-rated-pg-13-376496]</ref>
*November 23, 2018 - A new trailer is released showcasing some new scenes, namely, Bumblebee's Cybertronian robot mode. Another trailer is released animated with...[[Play-Doh]].<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/bumblebees-cybertronian-mode-shown-in-a-new-movie-trailer-playdoh-trailer/42450/ Seibertron's article on the 2 new trailers]</ref>
*November 27, 2018 - A new featurette demonstrates the more G1-inspired designs of the Transformers, including a proper look at Optimus's model and brief shots of [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], Wheeljack and [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]].<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK]</ref>
*December 2, 2018 - Lorenzo di Bonaventura confirms [[Dylan O'Brien]] as the voice of Bumblebee.<ref>https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/12/03/transformers-bumblebee-movie-voice-actor-dylan-obrien</ref>
*December 4, 2018 - New footage of the movie drops, showing Soundwave's voice, as well as many new shots of Cybertron and the battle between Bumblebee and Blitzwing.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/soundwave-speaks-more-footage-china-release-date-and-sponsor-and-more-bumblebee-news-roundup/42538/ Seibertron's coverage of the new trailer, as well as a general roundup of new footage.]</ref>
*December 8, 2018 - Special early screenings of the film take place in specific areas. Fans who attend are given free [[Tiny Turbo Changers]] toys, and short behind-the-scenes featurettes are shown before and after the film.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/early-reactions-and-impressions-for-2018-live-action-transformers-bumblebee-film/42550/ Seibertron's roundup of people's thoughts on the early screening.]</ref>
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===Changes before, during, and after production===
Initially, ''Bumblebee'' would have served as a more direct prequel to the 2007 movie, bridging the gap between Bumblebee's [[World War II]] adventures in ''The Last Knight'' and setting up some plot points from the original ''Transformers'' film. Many of these elements were subsequently dropped during reshoots following test screenings in 2018; this may have been a result of feedback from the test screenings, Paramount's concerns over the negative commercial and critical reception to ''The Last Knight'', or a desire to take the franchise in a new direction. Some of these changes include:
[[File:ANewCarForCharlie-deletedscene.jpg|thumb|300px|"TiVo. You can just freeze live TV? That's insane!"]]
*The film's original cut didn't include any scenes set on Cybertron, opening instead on a shot of Earth, where Bumblebee (who narrates in voiceover) is fleeing from Sector Seven in his Jeep mode.<ref name="opening">{{citesocial|quote=The Entire Opening was new and the earth sequence was reshot scene to have john cena and his crew in training excersize in a random forest rather than already hunting bumblebee in a forest bee is hiding in. In the prescreener it opened with a shot of earth from space with a quick few lines of exposition from bee before we cut to the jeeps and humvees already chasing bee. We never see him crashland or have a cybertronian mode.|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pre-screener-differences-warning-spoilers-ahead.1166457/|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=PRE-SCREENER DIFFERENCES: WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD|year=2018|month=12|day=28}}</ref> This setup maintained continuity with ''The Last Knight''. In this original opening, Bumblebee laments that the humans are now hunting him despite his being sent to protect them, and comes to the embittered conclusion that mankind isn't worth fighting for. This sets up the character arc Bumblebee is intended to undergo in the film, learning through his friendship with Charlie that not all humans are alike, and that there is good in them after all, culminating in his decision to fight Shatter and Dropkick in order to save the Earth from a Decepticon invasion after he regains his memories in the film's final act. This arc becomes diluted in the finished film, even though this climactic scene remains, since Bumblebee does not experience this loss of faith in the first place. This original opening is included among the deleted scenes on the home release.
**For the final cut of the film, the scene was reshot to have Bumblebee's escape pod crash-land near Burns's Sector Seven squad—who are in the woods because of a training exercise—by pure coincidence.<ref name="opening" /> Unfortunately, this creates some new discrepancies: Sector Seven is ''already'' driving SUVs equipped with anti-Transformer harpoon weaponry; a mid-1980s special forces unit keeps a WWII-era Willys Jeep around for some reason; and Bumblebee can speak English not more than a few minutes after landing on Earth.
**Blitzwing's scene was unchanged from the test screening, though at the time production had not settled on a name for the character.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Yep he died in the prescreener as well as the full film. As far as i remember he had a placeholder name on our little survey at the end that wasnt starscream or blitzwing though. I think he was given the name later through production. We also never hear said it in either version of the film, just in the credits and on the toy?|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pre-screener-differences-warning-spoilers-ahead.1166457/page-8#post-18508352|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=PRE-SCREENER DIFFERENCES: WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD|year=2020|month=11|day=10}}</ref>
*Burns was originally going to have a markedly different personality. In the test cut, he was depicted as a far grimmer character who had lost someone close to him in a prior Transformer attack. In the final version of the film, he became more eccentric, though remnants of his original personality still appear at times.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=A majority of cena and powells dialogue has been reshot to remove sector 7s prior knowledge of transformers and cena being xenophobic towards them due to a person close to him being killed by one at some point has also been removed from the final version. Cenas dialogue was also reshot in this to make him funnier when in the pre screener he was much more serious and cut throat. Some of these more intense lines still come through like when he and the general are listening to powell gush about the decepticons creating the internet. The first line about “powell being weird” is reshot but the rest is the original scene hence why he seems a bit more serious. This shift in his performance may be whats throwing some people off about him as there are are two distinct performances being twisted together.|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pre-screener-differences-warning-spoilers-ahead.1166457/|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=PRE-SCREENER DIFFERENCES: WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD|year=2018|month=12|day=28}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=The only character who was wildly different in the prescreener was John Cena. In the original cut he was much more cut throat and had a history with the transformers. Almost no jokes except the “Why do they always run?” Line. He had alot more levity added to his character with reshoots. Everyone else was exactly the same.|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pre-screener-differences-warning-spoilers-ahead.1166457/page-7#post-18110584|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=PRE-SCREENER DIFFERENCES: WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD|year=2020|month=07|day=19}}</ref>
*Otis appeared more frequently in the original cut of the film, particularly in the first act. Deleted scenes include: Charlie "dropping him off" at karate practice by having him ride a skateboard while clinging to the back of her bike [[Marty McFly]]-style; Charlie leaving to buy Bumblebee while she is meant to be watching Otis, warning him that she will kill him if he dies while she is away; Charlie coercing Otis into helping her clean the new Beetle when she returns; and Bumblebee breaking down on the road while the two are taking it for a test drive, leading Otis to abandon Charlie and walk off while a passing Tina taunts her. All of these scenes are among the deleted scenes included in the home release.
*Originally, Charlie was to have two friends named [[Liz]] and [[Brenda]] "Bren" (played by [[Rachel Crow]] and [[Abby Quinn]] respectively), who worked with her at Hot Dog on a Stick. The two originally appeared in the first Boardwalk scene where they tell Charlie they "aren't a match anymore," following her personality change after her father's death, upsetting her. They later reappear at the cliffside party, having bribed their way into Tina's friendship by giving her free corn dogs and abandoning Charlie for their new "cool" status. Both scenes are present as extras on the home release, and the characters still appear in the [[Transformers: Bumblebee: The Junior Novel|Junior Novel adaptation]].
*In the test cut, Cliffjumper was not part of the scene in which Shatter and Dropkick detect Bumblebee on Earth.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=In our cut Shatter and Dropkick just happened to be on the moon and receive the signal from bee. Cliffjumper wasn't there at all.|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pre-screener-differences-warning-spoilers-ahead.1166457/page-2#post-16444221|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=PRE-SCREENER DIFFERENCES: WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD|year=2018|month=12|day=29}}</ref> Cliffjumper's inclusion was made because his similarities to Bumblebee would set the stakes of the story: "You have to understand that if Shatter and Dropkick encounter Bumblebee, things are not going to end well."<ref>[https://uproxx.com/hitfix/travis-knight-interview-bumblebee/ Travis Knight ''UPROXX'' interview]</ref>
*Similarly, the extended flashback to Optimus Prime on Cybertron when Bumblebee watches Prime's holographic message was missing from the test cut, only added alongside the Cybertron opening which the assets were produced for.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The flashback with prime fighting the cons on cybertron when bee sees his hologram was newly added. It originally just played the message.|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pre-screener-differences-warning-spoilers-ahead.1166457/|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=PRE-SCREENER DIFFERENCES: WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD|year=2018|month=12|day=28}}</ref> The G1-style CGI model for Optimus was present in the original cut.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=I think that no matter what the team behind this movie were thinking of redesigns from the get go, bee was already the cuddly pudgier more g1 version in the cut i witnessed rather than the studio series boxart and figure with the more pronounced door wings. Along with Optimuss hologram being the g1 style cybertronian design. Heck our cut still had Optimus as a flat nosed at the end. Regardless of if the cybertron scene was a way later addition or not the film was still going to be a stylistic reboot at the very least, making the designs easier on the eyes.|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pre-screener-differences-warning-spoilers-ahead.1166457/page-4#post-16452606|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=PRE-SCREENER DIFFERENCES: WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD|year=2018|month=12|day=31}}</ref>
*The scene where Bumblebee explores Charlie's house originally had the Autobot inadvertently bring the house's electronics to life with his [[energon radiation]], necessitating a slapstick fight sequence in which Bumblebee, Charlie, and Memo had to unplug the hostile Transformers to deactivate them. {{w|Martin Short}} would have featured in the scene, presumably as the voice of at least one of the mutations. This scene was cut ''very'' late in production, enough so that a version of it would find its way into both the junior novel and [[A New Car for Charlie|Junior Reader adaptations]]. As a result, the movie's corresponding scene features an unusually high number of rapid-fire jump cuts to mask the missing footage, including a strange, swaying "POV" shot that originally belonged to the mutant washing machine as it watched Charlie and Memo enter the house. Eagle-eyed viewers will realize that the house's television is gone from its usual spot. At the same time, the washing machine is, for no apparent reason, sitting in the middle of the family carpet, the "real" reason being that these appliances had been brought to life and summarily dispatched in the original cut of the movie. Another remnant of the sequence surfaces when Sally asks why the television's cord was cut—something of a ''non sequitur'' in this version. The complete sequence is included as one of the deleted scenes on the home release, though it does not feature Short's voice.
*Shatter and Dropkick's goal was unchanged from the test cut, but their plan actually hinged on this deleted scene with the Energon mutations: seeing how Bumblebee was able to bring the human technology to life, they decide to use the satellite to send out an Energon pulse to awaken an army, with Charlie needing to disable the Energon device they hook up to the tower.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=in the cut we had [Shatter and Dropkick] were hunting bee to find the location of optimus prime so their plot stayed largely the same as did their dialogue. The inly thing different that i can place right now is dropkicks death scream was much more intense and panicked in the prescreening, which was probably way too brutal for the kids so they altered it to be quick.|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pre-screener-differences-warning-spoilers-ahead.1166457/page-3#post-16444738|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=PRE-SCREENER DIFFERENCES: WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD|year=2018|month=12|day=29}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=i wanna say they claimed he was an escaped fugitive. Someone dangerous? I think most of the dialogue had generally thensame focus. The major change was with their plan. They discover that Bumblebee brought stuff to life in the original cut and plan to use and energon source and the satellite dish to send a pulse out across the city bringing all the appliances to life as an army for the decepticons rather than just sending out a signal to call the army. Thats why Charlie needs to climb the tower to get to the energon device thats hooked into the tower. She has to remove it before it sends the pulse out and theres a timer on it ticking down until its charged.|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pre-screener-differences-warning-spoilers-ahead.1166457/page-8#post-18117235|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=PRE-SCREENER DIFFERENCES: WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD|year=2020|month=07|day=21}}</ref> In the final cut, they're just calling Decepticon reinforcements.
*The test cut of the film featured a post-credit scene with Burns, Simmons, and Whalen discussing that the Autobots can never learn of "N.B.E.-01:" [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], frozen in ice as per the 2007 movie, albeit redesigned to have a more [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1-styled appearance]]. This scene was replaced in the final cut by entirely new scenes of Optimus Prime and Bumblebee watching more Transformers arrive on Earth and Charlie finishing her and her father's car repair project.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=A scene that was cut from the end in final version was a sector 7 scene between Cena, Simmons, and the General talking about how the autobots must never know about NBE1 which is revealed to be a frozen G1 styled megatron, fusion cannon and all, that has the same aesthetic as the cybertonian bots from the new opening sequence. Both post credits scenes were brand new in the final release, those being Bee and Prime walking along and watching more Autobots coming to earth and Charlie finishing her fathers car. Everything else was essentially the same between both versions, just cut slightly faster in some places to keep the pacing steady.|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pre-screener-differences-warning-spoilers-ahead.1166457/|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=PRE-SCREENER DIFFERENCES: WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD|year=2018|month=12|day=28}}</ref><ref>{{citesocial|quote=[Megatron's Tiny Turbo Changers design is] actually really close to what i saw! Essentially the design i saw in the film for a split second was like a blend of g1 and movie 1 megs. Had the general shape of g1 megs but with movie 1 megs detailing and definitely the movie 1 megs face|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/travisformer-megatron.1161108/page-5#post-16720715|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=Travisformer Megatron|year=2019|month=03|day=23}}</ref>
**The scene where Bumblebee joins Optimus Prime on the Golden Gate Bridge was, however, the same in both versions and would've been the last on-screen appearance of Bee in the original cut. With that cut being more closely aligned with the live-action continuity at large, it seems likely that the scene was intended to be a bit more ambiguous—the audience at large would've been able to read it as "Bumblebee goes off to join Optimus Prime", while the filmmakers would've retained some plausible deniability in the form of "it's just a truck that ''looks'' like Optimus Prime"—thus better allowing for the arrival of the Autobots to occur as seen in the 2007 movie.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The final shot at the golden gate bridge with Bee turning into a camaro and following optimus on the golden gate was the same in both cuts|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pre-screener-differences-warning-spoilers-ahead.1166457/|name=Optimus_Prowl|site=TFW2005|title=PRE-SCREENER DIFFERENCES: WARNING SPOILERS AHEAD|year=2018|month=12|day=28}}</ref>
*A scene of Bumblebee being on the run in Vietnam in his World War II body made it to concept art stage.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/the-big-bumblebee-concept-art-thread.1167241/#post-16487632 Vietnam fields concept art]</ref>
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[[File:TF-BB-Movie-Murderbee-Trailer-vs-Final-Cut.jpg|250px|thumb|"You see? You can't treat them
like equals! They're striped savages! Stinging's the only thing they know! ''It's their way!''"]]
Additional changes, some of which took place ''after'' the introduction of the film's Cybertron scenes, include:
*The first trailer to include Cybertron scenes featured Blitzwing among Shockwave's Seekers. In later trailers and the final film, he was replaced with Starscream, sporting his traditional color scheme and seemingly a new head lacking the 'flight mask' design motif.
*In a statement for Seibertron.com, Jon Bailey noted that he auditioned for [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], suggesting the character was originally intended to have dialogue.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/bumblebee-movie-voice-actor-jon-bailey-talks-about-his-experience/42553/ Seibertron article on Bailey's experience]</ref> This was confirmed in a Seibertron.com podcast, in which he also said [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was supposed to yell "Die Autobots!", in a slightly reworked version of his appearance. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] was also supposed to say "Operation: Destruction" and/or "Operation: Annihilation" after ejecting [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] as a direct reference to the original cartoon.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/twincast-podcast-episode-214-bumblebee/42674/ Seibertron.com Twincast Podcast Episode #214 "Bumblebee"]</ref>
*The Cybertron tower was supposed to look more [[Great Dome]]-like before opening up to display the launchpad, with concept art to boot, though it was cut for time.<ref name="ILM" />
*Optimus Prime was to have an extended role in the opening scene, having a Cybertronian vehicle mode, though it was cut for time. Concept art for a more Cybertronian robot mode and vehicle mode was created by [[Alex Jaeger]], though the film ultimately uses a model closer to his Earthen robot form.<ref name="ILM" />
*An additional render and a deleted scene depict Shatter and Dropkick inside Sector 7 with their car-only robot forms, indicating they may have been supposed to scan their aerial modes later in the film.<ref name="ILM" />
*Travis Knight initially wanted to feature Megatron during the Cybertron scenes. However, the Decepticon leader was ultimately omitted, specifically because continuity dictated he was still frozen on Earth at the time,<ref>[https://comicbook.com/movies/2018/12/19/bumblebee-deleted-megatron-decepticon-scene/ 'Bumblebee' Deleted A Megatron Scene] on comicbook.com</ref> despite the removal of the scene mentioned earlier showing this.
*When Bumblebee's memories are restored and he fights against Sector 7, his eye color is red, as opposed to the blue in the trailer (right).
*Very early stock art for the film depicted Bumblebee with his now-traditional "wings" formed from his car's doors alternate mode. This was changed late in production to give his final C.G. model a more humanoid appearance, but not early enough to change his [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|concurrently-released toys]], which almost unanimously depict Bumblebee with said door-wings.
*Shatter went under the working name '''[[Fracture (disambiguation)|Fracture]]'''.<ref name="ILM" />
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==Notes==
*During production, the film was referred to in presentational material under a variety of names, including "Transformers 6", "Bumblebee: The Movie," "The Bumblebee Movie," and "Transformers Universe: Bumblebee."
*[[Hasbro Pulse]] occasionally refers to the movie as "Transformers: Bumblebee" or "Bumblebee Movie".<ref>[https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-studio-series-65-voyager-bumblebee-movie-blitzwing]
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===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''''Bumblebee''''' (バンブルビー ''Banburubī'')
*''Arabic:'' '''''Bumblebee''''' (بامبلبي ''Bamblibi'')
*''Cantonese:'' '''''Daai Wong Fung''''' (大黃蜂, "Bumblebee")
*''Greek:'' '''''Bumblebee''''' (Μπάμπλμπι ''Bámplmpi'')
*''Hindi:'' '''''Bumblebee''''' (बुमबलेबी ''Bumabalebee'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''''ŰrDongó''''' ("Space Bumblebee")
*''Korean:'' '''''Bumblebee''''' (범블비 ''Beombeulbi'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''''Dàhuángfēng''''' (大黃蜂, 大黄蜂, "Bumblebee")
*''Russian:'' '''''Bumblebee''''' (Бамблби ''Bamblbi'')
*''Tamil:'' '''''Bumblebee''''' (பம்பல்பீ ''Pampalpī'')
*''Telugu:'' '''''Bumblebee''''' (బంబుల్బీ ''Bambulbī'')
*''Ukrainian:'' '''''Bumblebee''''' (Бамблбі ''Bamblbi'')

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

==External links==
*{{w|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}} on Wikipedia
*[[IMDB:tt4701182|Bumblebee]] on IMDB

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[[Category:Bumblebee media| ]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

Wheeljack (ROTB)

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{{disambig3.5|the ''Rise of the Beasts'' Autobot|the ''other'' movie Wheeljack|Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (franchise)|Rise of the Beasts]] portion of the [[Movie continuity family]].''

[[File:ROTB-Wheeljack.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Got any cheese?]]
Soft-spoken and insightful, '''Wheeljack''' may lack the bombastic attitude of his fellow Autobots, but he's no less invaluable to their team. An inventor, mechanic and scientist stationed in South America, Wheeljack is enamored with Earth and its natural world, and is committed to ending the war that threatens it. To get around the tight streets of [[Cusco]], he turns into a {{W|Volkswagen Type 2}} microbus.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://twitter.com/transformers/status/1657105528236003330|name=Transformers|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=5|day=12}}</ref>

Despite being stationed in [[Peru]], he's somehow unknowingly picked up a [[Mexico|Mexican]] [[accent]]. Don't assume he speaks Spanish because of it, though; he thinks it's a little racist.

{{bigquote|Sorry I'm late. I was taking in a harmonious moment between a serene butterfly, and an unruffled caterpillar. Such tranquility.|Wheeljack|''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]''}}

==Fiction==
====''Bumblebee'' film====
[[File:BumblebeeMovieWheeljack.jpeg|thumb|250px|You better take a good look while I'm in my prime because in about <s>20</s> 7 years, that will all change.]]
{{voiceactor|[[Steve Blum]] (English), [[Ryūnosuke Watanuki]] (Japanese)|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
Wheeljack was among the Autobots fending off a wave of Decepticon forces led by [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and was eventually ordered to retreat by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. Tasked with finding other Autobots scattered throughout the galaxy and rendezvous on [[Earth]], they left Cybertron in various escape pods. {{storylink|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}}

====''Rise of the Beasts'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[Cristo Fernández]] (English)|[[Benjamin Pascal]] (European French), [[Marc Winslow]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Renato Novara]] (Italian), [[Karim El Kammouchi]] (German), [[Wendel Bezerra]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}
Being locally stationed there, Wheeljack joined the Autobot forces upon their arrival in [[Peru]] to assist with their search for the other half of the [[Transwarp Key]]. After a brief chat with their new human ally [[Noah Diaz]] established that, while he may have a Spanish accent, he did not speak Spanish, he explained the lay of the land to the group, including the Festival which would prevent the Autobots easily accessing the city. During Noah and [[Elena Wallace]]'s search and subsequent chase underground, he hid in the city with [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] taking cover inside his vehicle mode. When the [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcons]] arrived in force to hunt down the humans, the pair tailed [[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]] up the mountain roads, Arcee exchanging fire while Wheeljack dodged missiles and wrecking balls thrown his way. Unfortunately, before they could get close to Battletrap, the Terrorcon attached his towline to Wheeljack's bumper, throwing him and Arcee off the cliff, which also triggered a rockslide that unwittingly broke up the battling Autobots and Terrorcons.

Recovering, he and Arcee immediately followed [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]] to assist their human allies from [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|an unfamiliar robotic gorilla]]. Unfortunately for him, [[Rhinox (ROTB)|a massive robotic rhino]] bowled him over from behind. After [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and Primal made a truce, Wheeljack accompanied the united Autobot and [[Maximal]] group to the human village which held Primal's half of the Transwarp Key. The next day, he took part in the final battle to prevent [[Unicron]] being summoned to Earth, fighting off the horde of [[Freezer]]s and [[Scorponok (ROTB)|Scorponoks]] as a distraction for his allies to shut the machine down.

During the course of the battle, he and Optimus came across Battletrap again, nearly getting shot multiple times, with Primal and Prime having to assist to defeat the Terrorcon. Later on, Wheeljack regrouped with Arcee in mowing down more [[Freezer|Freezers]], eventually receiving a minor injury to his lower abdomen. He was also knocked down and briefly overwhelmed when Unicron's reinforcements arrived, but was able to recover when [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] arrived to assist after his resurrection. When Optimus was forced to destroy the Transwarp bridge himself, Wheeljack was ordered to retreat to avoid the expected explosion, following Primal out of the area. Victorious and with Prime safe, he and the other Autobots and Maximals remained steadfast, ready to face Unicron's return.
{{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts}}
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==Toys==
===''Studio Series''===
[[File:Studio-Series-Deluxe-Class-Bumblebee-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My head's no longer the Matrix anymore! Huzzah, I say!]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, [[2022]])
**''Movie'': '''''Bumblebee'''''
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''81'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-84'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[June 25]], 2022
**''Accessories'': Blaster, "Cybertron Falls" backdrop (2nd version)
{{toydesigner|[[Sam Smith]] (Hasbro), [[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)| [[Emiliano Santalucia]] (concept artist)}}<ref>Sam Smith's [https://www.instagram.com/p/CbWbHWrMoY7/ Instagram post] for ''Studio Series'' Wheeljack</ref>

:''[[Studio Series]]'' Wheeljack is based on his appearance in the [[Bumblebee (film)|''Bumblebee'' movie]] and turns into a Cybertronian car. As with the majority of Bumblebee's Cybertronian characters, his alternate mode was created by Hasbro and TakaraTomy for the toy as the film model was not designed to transform. He comes with the blaster that he utilized in the Cybertron battle scene, which can store on his back and on top of the vehicle mode. The slot used for vehicle mode can also be used in robot mode to give Wheeljack an arm-mounted blaster.

:There have been a few notable [[quality control]] issues on some copies of this figure. The front windshield doesn't always tab in properly, leaving a small gap in the front of the car. In robot mode, his shoulders may have a tendency to detach from the torso when handling. The ball joints on his feet can be extremely tight, to the point it doesn't feel like they can move. Also, as the feet are completely painted over, paint-chipping may occur, especially since they rub against other parts during transformation.

:Like other ''Studio Series'' toys, the interior of the package forms a display backdrop, this backdrop being a war-torn Cybertron as it appears in the beginning of the film.
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===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:ROTB-Buzzworthy-Bumblebee-Deluxe-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|What's that? One of those 'Led Zeppelins' I've heard so much about?]]
*'''Jungle Mission 3-pack: Cheetor, Nightbird, and Wheeljack''' (Multipack, [[2023]])
**''Accessories'': Blaster

: Released in a Target-exclusive ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' Jungle Mission 3-pack, Wheeljack is a Deluxe Class figure based on his appearance in ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]''. He transforms from a bespectacled robot into an unlicensed approximation of a Volkswagen Minibus with "TV Pablo" livery on the side. He includes a blaster that he can hold, or store on the roof of his vehicle mode.

:Wheeljack comes packaged with [[Cheetor (ROTB)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Cheetor]] and [[Nightbird (ROTB)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Nightbird]].
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===''Rise of the Beasts''===
[[File:TF-ROTB-Deluxe-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Ehrm.. Ackshually..'']]
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, 2023)
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''Deluxe Class Wheeljack'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''BD-05'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': July 15, 2023
**''Accessories'': Blaster

:The Wheeljack from the ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' Jungle Mission 3-pack was also available individually at general retail under ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (toyline)|Rise of the Beasts]]'' packaging.

:He was first sighted at Australian retail, before any of his wave mates.
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[[File:TF-ROTB-Beast-Alliance-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Stop hitting my child in the head with a lead pipe!"]]
*'''Wheeljack & Rhinox''' (Beast Weaponizer, 2023)
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''Kakusei Change Set Wheeljack & Rhinox'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''BCS-03'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': July 15, 2023
{{toydesigner|[[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Beast Weaponizer Wheeljack is a simplified toy that converts from a robot to an unlicensed approximation of a Volkswagen Minibus in 11 steps. He comes with a redecoed [[Rhinox (ROTB)#BeastWeaponizer|Beast Battle Master Rhinox]], who transforms into a minigun for Wheeljack to wield.

:Like much of this toyline, this set was found at retail before any official announcement, this time in Canada.
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==Merchandise==
===Jada Toys===
====''Hollywood Rides''====
[[File:TF-ROTB-Jada-1-24-Wheeljack.jpg|upright=1.44|thumb|It's a Frank, Frank. A Frank that shoots Franks.]]
*'''Volkswagen Bus Wheeljack''' (Scale 1/24 Die Cast Vehicle, 2023)
**''Accessories'': Autobot badge standee
:Released by [[Jada Toys]], this 1/24 scaled non-transforming die-cast licensed Volkswagen Type 2 with rubber tires features opening doors and trunk with detailed interiors. Similar to the ''Robot Powered Machines'', the car features a sculpted robot mode underneath.

:Presumably thanks to production lead time, Wheeljack features both the "TV Pablo" markings from the movie itself and the "Frank's TV" branding from footage that went unused in the film.<ref name=frank>{{citesocial|quote=Cool, that's my picture of Frank! Originally, he was in the New York parts of the film, with the van appearing in the warehouse scene, but that was cut. Here's some of the pictures I took of the van when I spotted it returning to the vehicle holding area at MELS in Montreal:|link=https://twitter.com/tfaltmodes/status/1668009290504732672|name=TransformersAltModes|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=6|day=11}}</ref>

:The 1/24 Wheeljack comes with a small chrome Autobot badge on a display stand.

{{anchor|Jada1-32}}
*'''Volkswagen Bus Wheeljack''' (Scale 1/32 Die Cast Vehicle, 2023)
:A smaller replica of Wheeljack much similar to the version above. The opening gimmick is limited to the doors only.
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==Notes==
*The promotional render of Wheeljack seen at the top of this page sports some differences from his character model as seen in the film; most notably, it lacks the Autobot badge (a modified Volkswagen logo) on his chest, leaving it blank.
*''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack was conceived as a distinct character from ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que/Wheeljack]]. Rather than take the more [[Wheeljack (G1)|Generation 1-inspired]] design of the Wheeljack seen in ''Bumblebee'', either [[Hasbro]] or [[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]] wanted to lean more into the idea of the character as a nerdy scientist, as they felt the "tough guy" seen in the previous movie was too similar to other characters among the Autobots.<ref>{{citesocial|quote='''Okay. Wheeljack is in this movie. But Wheeljack is also in Transformers: Dark of the Moon, and also just gets killed out of the blue. I love Wheeljack, but this Wheeljack and that Wheeljack seem nothing alike.''' Yeah, they’re different, man. I know the fans have been calling him Pablo Wheeljack, so I’m going to ride with the fans on that one. '''So these are different characters?''' Yes, exactly. When I got into the film, they had already wanted the Wheeljack part of this picture, but they wanted to redesign it and actually lean more into the science and nerdy part of Wheeljack. They felt like the Wheeljack – I don’t know if this is the studio or Hasbro who was here before me – he was kind of falling into the lane of the other characters. Kind of tough. Ironhide, and those kind of vibes. Just didn’t feel like enough variety across the board. And so, for me as a fan, I was like, “All right, how can I keep some of the essence?” But I was like, I’m going to just dive deep into the lore and just gave him his whole sort of personality and a different look as we start to now develop and move on. But yeah, that was it. It was no shade or callbacks to the other Wheeljack at all. But people started calling Pablo Wheeljack, which I thought was kind of funny. And Cristo likes it too. He’s like, “I’m down for that.” Cristo Fernandez, who plays him, which is cool.|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Uproxx|link=https://uproxx.com/movies/steven-caple-jr-interview-transformers-rise-of-the-beasts/|day=07|month=06|year=2023}}</ref>
*Behind-the-scenes photos of Wheeljack's vehicle mode suggest that he was originally intended to appear in the [[New York City|New York]]-set segments of the film, with his vehicle mode belonging to "Frank's TV" rather than "TV Pablo".<ref name=frank/> This ended up influencing the [[Jada Toys]] die-cast vehicles of Wheeljack, both of which sport "Frank's TV" on their left side and "TV Pablo" on their right.
*Due to the "TV Pablo" branding on his vehicle mode, many fans took to jokingly calling this iteration 'Pablo', as both a shot at him daring not to look like [[Wheeljack (G1)|the original]], and an affectionate nickname. Even director [[Steven Caple Jr.]] and Cristo Fernández (his voice actor) support it!
*During the sequence where the Autobots and Maximals line up ready for battle, a pair of ear-like fins based on those of [[Wheeljack (G1)|"Generation 1" Wheeljack]] pop out of the sides of his head; this was apparently a last-minute addition, as some promotional material (notably, the trailers released by Paramount Pictures UK) show the same footage without the fins.<ref>[https://youtu.be/itnqEauWQZM Transformers: Rise of the Beasts | Official Trailer (2023 Movie)] from Paramount Pictures on YouTube, with ears</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/A5TcKWqMOp8 Transformers: Rise of the Beasts | Official Trailer | Paramount Pictures UK] from Paramount Pictures on YouTube, without ears</ref> Either way, it's very easy to miss, as the fins have vanished by the next shot that Wheeljack appears in and never show up again!
*Wheeljack's Cybertronian design in ''Bumblebee'' is heavily inspired by his Generation 1 [[Wheeljack (G1)|namesake]].
** Wheeljack's CGI render from the "Bee-Vision" extras (see right) and some concept art<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/19/bumblebee-movie-concept-art-round-up-9-cybertronian-robots-time-388425 TFW2005 archive] of ''Bumblebee'' concept art from Stephen Zavala</ref> depict him with a white head, while in the film his head is mostly gray with white streaks.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Wheeljack''' (ホイルジャック ''Hoirujakku'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Qiānjīndǐng''' (China, 千斤顶, "Wheeljack" or "Hoisting Jack")

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

[[Category:Rise of the Beasts Autobots]]

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{{disambig3.5|the ''Dark of the Moon'' Autobot|the ''other'' movie Wheeljack|Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Movie continuity family]].''
[[File:HeatScramble wheeljack.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.95|Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity... and I'm not sure about the former.]]
An accomplished [[Autobot]] scientist and inventor, '''Wheeljack''' (aka '''Que''') will hook you up with some new weapon or gizmo that he just invented. There's no problem too big or too small that Wheeljack isn't willing to tackle, be it celestial mechanics or inventing potent new anti-Decepticon combat weapons. Because of this, he's a welcome addition to the [[NEST]] team, as staying on the cutting edge of technology is a priority for NEST.

That said, he's not much a fighter, and prefers to leave the violence to his combat partner [[Dino]]. With his wild hairstyle, glasses, and dapper [[Facial hair|moustache]], he resembles a certain famous [[Albert Einstein|scientist]] as well! To complete the German homage, he transforms into a {{W|Mercedes-Benz}} E550.

{{bigquote|They're great inventions for kicking ass!|Que on his latest killamajig|''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Movies===
{{note|The six movies are the primary component of the live-action movie continuity family. Their events should be taken as canon for all other pieces of fiction listed below, unless otherwise specified.}}

====''Dark of the Moon'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[George Coe]] (English), [[Shinpachi Tsuji]] (Japanese)|[[Guillermo Coria]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Jaume Lleal]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Giorgio Lopez]] (Italian), [[Éric Legrand]] (European French), [[Péter Barbinek]] (Hungarian), [[Ayrton Cardoso]] (Brazilian Portuguese), [[Eberhard Prüter]] (German), [[Ender Yiğit]] (Turkish)}}
[[File:Dark-of-the-moon-que-robot-atnest.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|Good news, everyone! Tomorrow, you'll all be making a delivery to Ebola 9, the virus planet.]]
[[File:Dark-of-the-moon-que-carmode.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"Is there any other protection I need?" "Only from me, 007, unless you bring that car back in pristine order."]]
As a member of a NEST strike team, Que, in his vehicle form, posed as the [[Iran]]ian defense minister's vehicle to cross a checkpoint. Once he and the others reached an illegal nuclear facility, he, [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] and [[Dino]] investigated and destroyed it.

Later at NEST's new base of operations in Washington, D.C., Que provided weapons-specialist [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] with a weapons upgrade, supplying him with two powerful rifles, much to Ironhide's liking. When National Intelligence Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] arrived, he politely introduced himself and informed them about Optimus Prime's upset mood. Mearing thought this was the silent treatment but Que and Ironhide assured that this was not that, it was worse. He stood in the background with his fellow Autobots and observed Optimus berate the government officials for keeping the wreckage of the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' a secret from the Autobots.
[[File:DOTMQuegadget.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|"I'll hazard I can do more damage on my laptop sitting in my pajamas before my first cup of Earl Grey than you can do in a year in the field."]]
When the Autobots were ordered to be exiled from Earth by the government on [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime's]] demands, Que helped to prepare the Autobot ship, the ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]'' for launch alongside his fellow Autobots. However, after launch, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] attacked the ''Xantium'' and destroyed the ship, presumably killing Que and the other Autobots on board.

Secretly, the Autobots had suspected treachery, and hid inside one of their shuttle's booster rockets which had detached shortly before Starscream's attack. Que went alongside his comrades into the midst of the Decepticon-occupied [[Chicago]]. Before the Autobots went off to battle, Que provided [[Sam Witwicky]], [[Robert Epps]] and a team of soldiers with several new [[Grapple glove|anti-Decepticon]] [[Boomstick|weapons]] that he had constructed which would, as he put it, "kick ass."
[[File:DOTMQuegetsit.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Good news, everyone! I've been shot - wait a minute, that's not good news at all!]]
Later on, when several Autobots were overwhelmed and captured, he was taken hostage alongside Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Dino and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]. At [[Dylan Gould]]'s prodding, [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] decided to make trophies of the prisoners, starting with Que. Que voiced his fears to Bumblebee just as [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] pushed him forward, telling him his "time was up". Despite Que's pleas for mercy, he was shot in the chest by a Decepticon [[protoform]]. He fell to his knees in pain, asking why they were doing this before Barricade shot him in the back, killing him. His body fell to the ground and his deactivated head rolled away from his broken body.

His death left Bumblebee distraught, mourning his lost friend, while Barricade added insult to injury by laughing at the fallen Autobot. Soundwave even pushed Bumblebee onto Que's dead body to torment him before his own execution. Bumblebee soon avenged his fallen friend by killing Soundwave. Que would also avenge his own death, in a way, as his Boomsticks were used to help take down his killer, Barricade. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
{{note|Wheeljack's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novel "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (novel)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]"; the "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation]]" and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics; and the storybooks "[[Autobots Versus Decepticons]]," "[[Optimus Prime's Friends and Foes]]" and "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Mix & Match]]."}}

====''Age of Extinction'' film====
Five years after the Battle of Chicago, Que was listed as "deceased" by the CIA taskforce, [[Cemetery Wind]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}

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===IDW movie comics===
[[File:Foundation1 wheeljack.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Yeah, but what you have done for us ''lately''?]]
Thousands of years ago on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Wheeljack was one of [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]'s followers. He was a crucial figure in the culmination of Sentinel Prime's plan to save the dying planet: While Sentinel's other pupils held off an attack by the heretic [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]], Wheeljack's technical skills went to work creating a device that, once linked to the AllSpark, warped time and space, teleporting a sun into Cybertronian space. The sun's energy revitalized the [[AllSpark]], bringing life and energy back to Cybertron, and Wheeljack calmly remarked that, wouldn't you know it, it seemed they'd only gone and saved the world. {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}} Soon after, Wheeljack stood by Sentinel Prime's side when he addressed the collective populace of the planet on [[Unification Day]], announcing the new direction for the revitalized Cybertron. The world was to be governed by a [[Science Division]] led by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], and a [[Defense Force]] under [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s command; naturally, Wheeljack elected to join the former.{{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

Years later, Wheeljack was with Sentinel Prime and [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]] at one of the division's archaeological digs when they came under attack from Megatron's forces, which he had rechristened "[[Decepticon]]s" with the intent of seizing control of the planet. Optimus—now Optimus ''Prime''—rallied those who opposed Megatron under him as the [[Autobot]]s, Wheeljack included. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}}

As the war worsened, Sentinel Prime presented the Autobots with a mysterious "torch" he had invented that would somehow end the war. An Autobot strike team under Optimus assault [[Simfur]] in order to activate the torch by bringing it into contact with the AllSpark, while Wheeljack stayed by Sentinel's side, awaiting its return and preparing to depart aboard the two great [[Ark (disambiguation)|Arks]] the Autobots had built. Elita-One soon arrived with the active torch, at which point Sentinel ordered a reluctant Wheeljack to take the first [[Ark (Movie)|Ark]] and collected the other Autobots from their base in [[Tyger Pax]], while Sentinel himself took the torch and went to pick up Optimus's team aboard his own [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]. Consequently, Sentinel's Ark and all aboard were apparently destroyed by the Decepticons upon arrival. Furious at the death of his mentor, Optimus Prime enacted a new plan: while he kept Megatron busy, Wheeljack took the rest of the Autobots and attacked Simfur again, overwhelming the weakened Decepticons there and capturing the AllSpark. The cube was removed from the machine Wheeljack had invented, which caused Cybertron's sun to disappear. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

[[File:RisingStorm4WheeljackeandMiragebodiesdestroyed.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4|They will get better]]

Thousands of years later, Wheeljack joined Optimus Prime on Earth at some point after 2009. He and [[Dino|Mirage]] joined [[NEST]] and were assigned to a unit stationed in [[Washington, D.C.]]. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3}} This put them closest to the action when a huge Decepticon battalion attacked [[Sam Witwicky]]'s school in [[Philadelphia]], and they arrived just in time to help [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] fight off the villains. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}} Wheeljack generated a powerful [[force field]] to shield Sam and other human bystanders as they ran from the battle, {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3|Rising Storm #3}} and the pair helped hold the line until Optimus Prime arrived with reinforcements. Observing that the Decepticons were attempting to flee, Prime ordered Wheeljack to extend his force field in order to keep them from escaping, but before the scientist could comply, the merciless [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] descended onto the battlefield and grievously damaged Wheeljack with a powerful blast. Luckily, Wheeljack remained just functional enough to complete his recalibration, trapping Shockwave inside his force field with a very unhappy Optimus Prime. After Prime defeated Shockwave, [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] examined Wheeljack's broken body and reported that he could be repaired, though he probably wouldn't be "quite the same". {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4|Rising Storm #4}}

===Toy bios===
The Autobots' technology used to lag badly behind the Decepticons' until Wheeljack came along. His brilliant innovative mind helped the Autobots with getting their arsenal caught up with that of their enemies'. This was also helped by the few brave soldiers willing to volunteer for Wheeljack's extremely dangerous experiments. {{storylink|#Movie Advanced Series|''Movie Advanced Series'' Wheeljack}}

When he first learned about the laws of physics, Wheeljack took them as a challenge to his intelligence because laws were made to be broken. He dedicated his life to pushing the limits of science. More often than not, Wheeljack's inventions would fail spectacularly. But if (and when) they succeed, they can change the course of millions of lives. {{storylink|#Dark of the Moon|''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Autobots'' video game===
Wheeljack upgraded [[Create-A-Bot (Autobot)|Create-A-Bot]] so that he could store the data of and, thus, adopt multiple vehicle forms. Wheeljack's body type appeared as several automobile forms, including the Beater, Sportster, Notchback, Import, Longhorn (Autobot Exclusive), Gunner (Autobots Exclusive), Stunt Car (Decepticons Exclusive), Lightning Rider, Tricked Out Car, Racer, Hot Rodder, Speedster, and Scout (Decepticons Exclusive). {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Autobots}}

===''Transformers: The Game'' (PSP)===
{{voiceactor|[[Erik Passoja]] (English)}}
[[File:Wheeljack movie psp.jpg|thumb|right|Before the 'stache.]]

Wheeljack arrived on [[Earth]] some time after [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and his team, apparently at the same time as [[Hoist (Movie)|Hoist]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]]. At that time, the Autobots were coming under attack from an army of Decepticon drones, and Wheeljack was able to concoct a virus that would send the drones back into sleep mode. [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] and [[Trailbreaker (Movie)|Trailbreaker]] were charged with transmitting the virus to an orbiting satellite, broadcasting it to all the drones simultaneously. Although they succeeded, Wheeljack was left with the unfortunate task of relaying to Optimus Prime that Hound had died in the process.

A little later, Wheeljack accompanied the Autobots on their mission to the [[Hoover Dam]], and was seen escaping the complex when the Decepticons attacked. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (PSP)|Transformers The Game (PSP)}}

===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon - The Game''===
{{voiceactor|[[Jamie Alcroft]] (English)|[[Bernard Métraux]] (French)}}

====Xbox 360/PS3====
Wheeljack aided his Autobot comrades from behind the scenes, arming them with newer, more potent weaponry almost as soon as he was done building them. Wheeljack also made a virus for the Autobots to hack the Decepticon transmissions. Later, he had NEST forces deliver one of these [[Heavy Iron 2.0|new weapons]] to Ironhide as the latter was battling the Decepticons in Detroit. The gun Wheeljack sent him enabled Ironhide to destroy Mixmaster's shields, leaving the Decepticon vulnerable.

Soundwave later infiltrated an old Sector Seven base that was evidently used as a workshop by Wheeljack to develop new MechTech weapons. Unfortunately, Soundwave managed to destroy the base and the MechTech with it, while what few weapons were already en route to Optimus Prime were intercepted by Starscream. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)|Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)}}

====Autobots/Decepticons====
Wheeljack warned [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] to be very careful fighting [[Crowbar]], as Crowbar had a reputation as a deadly fighter. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons|Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons}}

==Toys==
===''Dark of the Moon''===
[[File:Dotm-Deluxe-Wheeljack-Toy.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves.]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2012)
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''Autobot Que'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number:'' '''DA31'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Tool Kit/Combat Saw, 2 power tools, spear

: ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Wheeljack transforms from a blue [[Mercedes-Benz]] E550. He comes with a [[MechTech]] Tool Kit which turns into a spinning Circular Saw. His MechTech weapon is capable of standing alone as a portable workbench of sorts, is held/mounted with two different [[5 mm post|post]]s, and features a [[C joint]] bar between two of the front legs. He also features two different power tools, resembling a power drill and a nail/rivet gun, that clip to his upper waist, as well as a large spear that clips to his back. He features MechTech ports on his hands, arms, back/hood underside, and roof, although none of the clip-on weapons can be hidden in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]], nor are there sufficient ports to mount them all. His [[stock photography]] depicts his saw blade as painted in gold, but is left unpainted in the final product.

: Wheeljack was to be released in the US in December, 2011, but his release was first moved to February, 2012, then ultimately announced by Hasbro to be cancelled during [[Toy Fair 2012]]. No explicit reasons were given, but a combination of factors including the push for a new cartoon-centric toyline and retailer disinterest can be cited. At [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2012, they stated they were trying to find ways to get those figures out in USA retailers, but it ultimately never came to pass.

:The Hasbro version of the figure, sporting the "Wheeljack" name, was released in Asian markets in May 2012, while Takara's release of the figure was rather surprisingly packaged under his in-movie name as "Autobot Que".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/DOTMWheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on Wheeljack at TFU.info]''
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===''Movie Trilogy Series''===
[[File:MovieTrilogytoys-Wheeljack.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|"I went to a rejuvenation clinic and got a whole natural overhaul. They took out some wrinkles, did hair repair, changed the blood - added a good 30 to 40 years to my life. They also replaced my spleen and colon. What do you think?"]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' ?

: ''[[Movie Trilogy Series]]'' Wheeljack is a redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe Wheeljack, but using the mold's alternate head (previously seen in the first toy's [[instructions]]) and decoed in colors closer to Generation 1 Wheeljack.
{{canceledtoy}}
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===''Movie Advanced Series''===
[[File:TF-Movie-Advanced-EX-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"The way I see it, if you're going to build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style?"]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, [[August 8]], [[2014]])
**''ID Number:'' '''ADEX'''

: An AEON shop exclusive, ''[[Movie Advanced Series]]'' Wheeljack is a redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe Wheeljack, but using the mold's alternate head (previously seen in the first toy's [[instructions]] and which was to be used in the canceled ''Movie Trilogy Series'' figure above) and decoed in colors closer to Generation 1 Wheeljack, moreso than the ''Movie Trilogy Series'' Wheeljack was to have been. Like the [[Soundwave (ROTF)#Movie Advanced Series|Darkside Soundwave]] figure, Wheeljack comes with no weapons or accessories.
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==Notes==
[[File:Dark-of-the-moon-que-robot-back.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|My God... Do you know what this means?! It means this damn ''thing'' doesn't work at all!]]
* Wheeljack's onscreen name "Que" is a nod to the famous ''{{w|James Bond}}'' character {{w|Q (James Bond)|Q}}, who similarly provided his allies with equipment and gadgets. Furthermore, Que's scene in the Chicago battle, where he provides the NEST soldiers with a variety of weapons while stating their various features and functions, is lifted almost wholesale from many ''Bond'' movies. Rather interestingly though, he is listed in the credits as Que/Wheeljack, implying "Que" may just be a nickname.
* An early working name for him was '''Steeljaw''', and his head was considered to be based on {{w|Christopher Lloyd}}'s [[Doc Brown]] from the ''[[Back to the Future]]'' movies rather than Einstein. He was also going to have a 'labcoat', formed from his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] canvas roof.<ref name="wburt">[http://conceptartworld.com/?p=8388 Wesley Burt DOTM concepts.]</ref> Some trace of this design remains, briefly visible in the film as Prime is saying goodbye to Sam, in the form of a sort of waistcoat or carpenter's tool belt on his waist. That, of course, is in addition to the assortment of gadgets, tools, ammo and weapons attached to his waist, strapped across his chest, and hanging off his back.
* Numerous adaptations of Dark of the Moon (such as the [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation|comic adaptation]] and [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel|junior novelization]]) illustrated that during the Autobot capture in Chicago, it was Dino/Mirage who was executed by Soundwave. However this was changed in the movie to Que/Wheeljack being killed instead while Dino/Mirage survived the battle.
** The [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (novel)|novelization]] of the film also included a different death for the character in which he was run off the Chicago streets and into a river by the [[Driller]], where he was torn apart by Decepticon soldiers lying in wait for him.
[[File:BB-Wheeljack-model.jpg|thumb|Now, like his [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|G1 namesake's toy]], we know that there's something under that [[mouthplate|thing]].]]
* The Mercedes-Benz E550 prop car used for ''Dark of the Moon'' sported a German/European Union [[license plate]], "'''M IC3802'''", registered in the city of Munich, on the Chicago set.<ref name="chicago">[http://www.seibertron.com/live-action-films/gallery.php?id=133&size=0&start=50 Dark of the Moon Chicago set] at Seibertron.com.</ref> (The design of the plate is slightly inaccurate, as there should be a space between "IC" and "3802" if it were a real German plate. Also, a German car would have a license plate on the front as well.)
* Good luck trying to figure out his accent, by the way, as he oscillates between an impenetrably garbled half-Scottish, half-Irish muddle and English "Received Pronunciation" all the way through the film, at times in the same sentence. What we can tell you he's ''not'' speaking with, though, is a German accent, which a disturbing number of American fans seems to have concluded based simply on the fact he looks like Einstein.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Que''' (キュー ''Kyū''), '''Wheeljack''' (ホイルジャック ''Hoirujakku'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Qiānjīndǐng''' (China, 千斤顶, "Wheeljack" or "Hoisting Jack")

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
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|disambig=Wheeljack (disambiguation)
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*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], the crackpot Autobot scientist from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]], the kung-fu-fighting Autobot from the [[Unicron Trilogy]].
*[[Wheeljack (Animated)|Wheeljack]], the Autobot [[Ministry of Science]] member from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]].''
*[[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]], the sword-wielding [[Wreckers|Wrecker]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
*[[Wheeljack (Cyberverse)|Wheeljack]], the goateed Autobot inventor from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]''.}}

==References==
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[[Category:Age of Extinction Autobots]]
[[Category:Bumblebee Autobots]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
[[Category:Movie Autobots]]
[[Category:NEST]]
[[Category:Scientists]]

Wheeljack (ROTB)

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{{disambig3.5|the ''Rise of the Beasts'' Autobot|the ''other'' movie Wheeljack|Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (franchise)|Rise of the Beasts]] portion of the [[Movie continuity family]].''

[[File:ROTB-Wheeljack.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Got any cheese?]]
Soft-spoken and insightful, '''Wheeljack''' may lack the bombastic attitude of his fellow Autobots, but he's no less invaluable to their team. An inventor, mechanic and scientist stationed in South America, Wheeljack is enamored with Earth and its natural world, and is committed to ending the war that threatens it. To get around the tight streets of [[Cusco]], he turns into a {{W|Volkswagen Type 2}} microbus.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://twitter.com/transformers/status/1657105528236003330|name=Transformers|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=5|day=12}}</ref>

Despite being stationed in [[Peru]], he's somehow unknowingly picked up a [[Mexico|Mexican]] [[accent]]. Don't assume he speaks Spanish because of it, though; he thinks it's a little racist.

{{bigquote|Sorry I'm late. I was taking in a harmonious moment between a serene butterfly, and an unruffled caterpillar. Such tranquility.|Wheeljack|''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]''}}

==Fiction==
====''Bumblebee'' film====
[[File:BumblebeeMovieWheeljack.jpeg|thumb|250px|You better take a good look while I'm in my prime because in about <s>20</s> 7 years, that will all change.]]
{{voiceactor|[[Steve Blum]] (English), [[Ryūnosuke Watanuki]] (Japanese)|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
Wheeljack was among the Autobots fending off a wave of Decepticon forces led by [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and was eventually ordered to retreat by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. Tasked with finding other Autobots scattered throughout the galaxy and rendezvous on [[Earth]], they left Cybertron in various escape pods. {{storylink|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}}

====''Rise of the Beasts'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[Cristo Fernández]] (English)|[[Benjamin Pascal]] (European French), [[Marc Winslow]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Renato Novara]] (Italian), [[Karim El Kammouchi]] (German), [[Wendel Bezerra]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}
Being locally stationed there, Wheeljack joined the Autobot forces upon their arrival in [[Peru]] to assist with their search for the other half of the [[Transwarp Key]]. After a brief chat with their new human ally [[Noah Diaz]] established that, while he may have a Spanish accent, he did not speak Spanish, he explained the lay of the land to the group, including the Festival which would prevent the Autobots easily accessing the city. During Noah and [[Elena Wallace]]'s search and subsequent chase underground, he hid in the city with [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] taking cover inside his vehicle mode. When the [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcons]] arrived in force to hunt down the humans, the pair tailed [[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]] up the mountain roads, Arcee exchanging fire while Wheeljack dodged missiles and wrecking balls thrown his way. Unfortunately, before they could get close to Battletrap, the Terrorcon attached his towline to Wheeljack's bumper, throwing him and Arcee off the cliff, which also triggered a rockslide that unwittingly broke up the battling Autobots and Terrorcons.

Recovering, he and Arcee immediately followed [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]] to assist their human allies from [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|an unfamiliar robotic gorilla]]. Unfortunately for him, [[Rhinox (ROTB)|a massive robotic rhino]] bowled him over from behind. After [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and Primal made a truce, Wheeljack accompanied the united Autobot and [[Maximal]] group to the human village which held Primal's half of the Transwarp Key. The next day, he took part in the final battle to prevent [[Unicron]] being summoned to Earth, fighting off the horde of [[Freezer]]s and [[Scorponok (ROTB)|Scorponoks]] as a distraction for his allies to shut the machine down.

During the course of the battle, he and Optimus came across Battletrap again, nearly getting shot multiple times, with Primal and Prime having to assist to defeat the Terrorcon. Later on, Wheeljack regrouped with Arcee in mowing down more [[Freezer|Freezers]], eventually receiving a minor injury to his lower abdomen. He was also knocked down and briefly overwhelmed when Unicron's reinforcements arrived, but was able to recover when [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] arrived to assist after his resurrection. When Optimus was forced to destroy the Transwarp bridge himself, Wheeljack was ordered to retreat to avoid the expected explosion, following Primal out of the area. Victorious and with Prime safe, he and the other Autobots and Maximals remained steadfast, ready to face Unicron's return.
{{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts}}
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==Toys==
===''Studio Series''===
[[File:Studio-Series-Deluxe-Class-Bumblebee-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My head's no longer the Matrix anymore! Huzzah, I say!]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, [[2022]])
**''Movie'': '''''Bumblebee'''''
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''81'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-84'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[June 25]], 2022
**''Accessories'': Blaster, "Cybertron Falls" backdrop (2nd version)
{{toydesigner|[[Sam Smith]] (Hasbro), [[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)| [[Emiliano Santalucia]] (concept artist)}}<ref>Sam Smith's [https://www.instagram.com/p/CbWbHWrMoY7/ Instagram post] for ''Studio Series'' Wheeljack</ref>

:''[[Studio Series]]'' Wheeljack is based on his appearance in the [[Bumblebee (film)|''Bumblebee'' movie]] and turns into a Cybertronian car. As with the majority of Bumblebee's Cybertronian characters, his alternate mode was created by Hasbro and TakaraTomy for the toy as the film model was not designed to transform. He comes with the blaster that he utilized in the Cybertron battle scene, which can store on his back and on top of the vehicle mode. The slot used for vehicle mode can also be used in robot mode to give Wheeljack an arm-mounted blaster.

:There have been a few notable [[quality control]] issues on some copies of this figure. The front windshield doesn't always tab in properly, leaving a small gap in the front of the car. In robot mode, his shoulders may have a tendency to detach from the torso when handling. The ball joints on his feet can be extremely tight, to the point it doesn't feel like they can move. Also, as the feet are completely painted over, paint-chipping may occur, especially since they rub against other parts during transformation.

:Like other ''Studio Series'' toys, the interior of the package forms a display backdrop, this backdrop being a war-torn Cybertron as it appears in the beginning of the film.
{{--}}

===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:ROTB-Buzzworthy-Bumblebee-Deluxe-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|What's that? One of those 'Led Zeppelins' I've heard so much about?]]
*'''Jungle Mission 3-pack: Cheetor, Nightbird, and Wheeljack''' (Multipack, [[2023]])
**''Accessories'': Blaster

: Released in a Target-exclusive ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' Jungle Mission 3-pack, Wheeljack is a Deluxe Class figure based on his appearance in ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]''. He transforms from a bespectacled robot into an unlicensed approximation of a Volkswagen Minibus with "TV Pablo" livery on the side. He includes a blaster that he can hold, or store on the roof of his vehicle mode.

:Wheeljack comes packaged with [[Cheetor (ROTB)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Cheetor]] and [[Nightbird (ROTB)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Nightbird]].
{{--}}

===''Rise of the Beasts''===
[[File:TF-ROTB-Deluxe-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Ehrm.. Ackshually..'']]
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, 2023)
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''Deluxe Class Wheeljack'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''BD-05'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': July 15, 2023
**''Accessories'': Blaster

:The Wheeljack from the ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' Jungle Mission 3-pack was also available individually at general retail under ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (toyline)|Rise of the Beasts]]'' packaging.

:He was first sighted at Australian retail, before any of his wave mates.
{{-}}

[[File:TF-ROTB-Beast-Alliance-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Stop hitting my child in the head with a lead pipe!"]]
*'''Wheeljack & Rhinox''' (Beast Weaponizer, 2023)
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''Kakusei Change Set Wheeljack & Rhinox'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''BCS-03'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': July 15, 2023
{{toydesigner|[[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Beast Weaponizer Wheeljack is a simplified toy that converts from a robot to an unlicensed approximation of a Volkswagen Minibus in 11 steps. He comes with a redecoed [[Rhinox (ROTB)#BeastWeaponizer|Beast Battle Master Rhinox]], who transforms into a minigun for Wheeljack to wield.

:Like much of this toyline, this set was found at retail before any official announcement, this time in Canada.
{{-}}

==Merchandise==
===Jada Toys===
====''Hollywood Rides''====
[[File:TF-ROTB-Jada-1-24-Wheeljack.jpg|upright=1.44|thumb|It's a Frank, Frank. A Frank that shoots Franks.]]
*'''Volkswagen Bus Wheeljack''' (Scale 1/24 Die Cast Vehicle, 2023)
**''Accessories'': Autobot badge standee
:Released by [[Jada Toys]], this 1/24 scaled non-transforming die-cast licensed Volkswagen Type 2 with rubber tires features opening doors and trunk with detailed interiors. Similar to the ''Robot Powered Machines'', the car features a sculpted robot mode underneath.

:Presumably thanks to production lead time, Wheeljack features both the "TV Pablo" markings from the movie itself and the "Frank's TV" branding from footage that went unused in the film.<ref name=frank>{{citesocial|quote=Cool, that's my picture of Frank! Originally, he was in the New York parts of the film, with the van appearing in the warehouse scene, but that was cut. Here's some of the pictures I took of the van when I spotted it returning to the vehicle holding area at MELS in Montreal:|link=https://twitter.com/tfaltmodes/status/1668009290504732672|name=TransformersAltModes|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=6|day=11}}</ref>

:The 1/24 Wheeljack comes with a small chrome Autobot badge on a display stand.

{{anchor|Jada1-32}}
*'''Volkswagen Bus Wheeljack''' (Scale 1/32 Die Cast Vehicle, 2023)
:A smaller replica of Wheeljack much similar to the version above. The opening gimmick is limited to the doors only.
{{--}}

==Notes==
*The promotional render of Wheeljack seen at the top of this page sports some differences from his character model as seen in the film; most notably, it lacks the Autobot badge (a modified Volkswagen logo) on his chest, leaving it blank.
*''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack was conceived as a distinct character from ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que/Wheeljack]]. Rather than take the more [[Wheeljack (G1)|Generation 1-inspired]] design of the Wheeljack seen in ''Bumblebee'', either [[Hasbro]] or [[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]] wanted to lean more into the idea of the character as a nerdy scientist, as they felt the "tough guy" seen in the previous movie was too similar to other characters among the Autobots.<ref>{{citesocial|quote='''Okay. Wheeljack is in this movie. But Wheeljack is also in Transformers: Dark of the Moon, and also just gets killed out of the blue. I love Wheeljack, but this Wheeljack and that Wheeljack seem nothing alike.''' Yeah, they’re different, man. I know the fans have been calling him Pablo Wheeljack, so I’m going to ride with the fans on that one. '''So these are different characters?''' Yes, exactly. When I got into the film, they had already wanted the Wheeljack part of this picture, but they wanted to redesign it and actually lean more into the science and nerdy part of Wheeljack. They felt like the Wheeljack – I don’t know if this is the studio or Hasbro who was here before me – he was kind of falling into the lane of the other characters. Kind of tough. Ironhide, and those kind of vibes. Just didn’t feel like enough variety across the board. And so, for me as a fan, I was like, “All right, how can I keep some of the essence?” But I was like, I’m going to just dive deep into the lore and just gave him his whole sort of personality and a different look as we start to now develop and move on. But yeah, that was it. It was no shade or callbacks to the other Wheeljack at all. But people started calling Pablo Wheeljack, which I thought was kind of funny. And Cristo likes it too. He’s like, “I’m down for that.” Cristo Fernandez, who plays him, which is cool.|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Uproxx|link=https://uproxx.com/movies/steven-caple-jr-interview-transformers-rise-of-the-beasts/|day=07|month=06|year=2023}}</ref>
*Behind-the-scenes photos of Wheeljack's vehicle mode suggest that he was originally intended to appear in the [[New York City|New York]]-set segments of the film, with his vehicle mode belonging to "Frank's TV" rather than "TV Pablo".<ref name=frank/> This ended up influencing the [[Jada Toys]] die-cast vehicles of Wheeljack, both of which sport "Frank's TV" on their left side and "TV Pablo" on their right.
*Due to the "TV Pablo" branding on his vehicle mode, many fans took to jokingly calling this iteration 'Pablo', as both a shot at him daring not to look like [[Wheeljack (G1)|the original]], and an affectionate nickname. Even director [[Steven Caple Jr.]] and Cristo Fernández (his voice actor) support it!
*During the sequence where the Autobots and Maximals line up ready for battle, a pair of ear-like fins based on those of [[Wheeljack (G1)|"Generation 1" Wheeljack]] pop out of the sides of his head; this was apparently a last-minute addition, as some promotional material (notably, the trailers released by Paramount Pictures UK) show the same footage without the fins.<ref>[https://youtu.be/itnqEauWQZM Transformers: Rise of the Beasts | Official Trailer (2023 Movie)] from Paramount Pictures on YouTube, with ears</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/A5TcKWqMOp8 Transformers: Rise of the Beasts | Official Trailer | Paramount Pictures UK] from Paramount Pictures on YouTube, without ears</ref> Either way, it's very easy to miss, as the fins have vanished by the next shot that Wheeljack appears in and never show up again!

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Wheeljack''' (ホイルジャック ''Hoirujakku'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Qiānjīndǐng''' (China, 千斤顶, "Wheeljack" or "Hoisting Jack")

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

[[Category:Rise of the Beasts Autobots]]

Wheeljack (ROTB)

2023-06-19T21:14:14Z

Jman98: The Wheeljack in BB and ROTB should be one in the same, as ROTB is a direct sequel to BB.

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig3.5|the ''Rise of the Beasts'' Autobot|the ''other'' movie Wheeljack|Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (franchise)|Rise of the Beasts]] portion of the [[Movie continuity family]].''

[[File:ROTB-Wheeljack.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Got any cheese?]]
Soft-spoken and insightful, '''Wheeljack''' may lack the bombastic attitude of his fellow Autobots, but he's no less invaluable to their team. An inventor, mechanic and scientist stationed in South America, Wheeljack is enamored with Earth and its natural world, and is committed to ending the war that threatens it. To get around the tight streets of [[Cusco]], he turns into a {{W|Volkswagen Type 2}} microbus.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://twitter.com/transformers/status/1657105528236003330|name=Transformers|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=5|day=12}}</ref>

Despite being stationed in [[Peru]], he's somehow unknowingly picked up a [[Mexico|Mexican]] [[accent]]. Don't assume he speaks Spanish because of it, though; he thinks it's a little racist.

{{bigquote|Sorry I'm late. I was taking in a harmonious moment between a serene butterfly, and an unruffled caterpillar. Such tranquility.|Wheeljack|''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]''}}

==Fiction==
====''Bumblebee'' film====
[[File:BumblebeeMovieWheeljack.jpeg|thumb|250px|You better take a good look while I'm in my prime because in about <s>20</s> 7 years, that will all change.]]
{{voiceactor|[[Steve Blum]] (English), [[Ryūnosuke Watanuki]] (Japanese)|[[Manuel Pérez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}
{{note|''Bumblebee'' takes place before the other films (supposedly), but was released later. As such, it is placed here after ''Age of Extinction''.}}
Wheeljack was among the Autobots fending off a wave of Decepticon forces led by [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and was eventually ordered to retreat by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. Tasked with finding other Autobots scattered throughout the galaxy and rendezvous on [[Earth]], they left Cybertron in various escape pods. {{storylink|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}}

====''Rise of the Beasts'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[Cristo Fernández]] (English)|[[Benjamin Pascal]] (European French), [[Marc Winslow]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Renato Novara]] (Italian), [[Karim El Kammouchi]] (German), [[Wendel Bezerra]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}
Being locally stationed there, Wheeljack joined the Autobot forces upon their arrival in [[Peru]] to assist with their search for the other half of the [[Transwarp Key]]. After a brief chat with their new human ally [[Noah Diaz]] established that, while he may have a Spanish accent, he did not speak Spanish, he explained the lay of the land to the group, including the Festival which would prevent the Autobots easily accessing the city. During Noah and [[Elena Wallace]]'s search and subsequent chase underground, he hid in the city with [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] taking cover inside his vehicle mode. When the [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|Terrorcons]] arrived in force to hunt down the humans, the pair tailed [[Battletrap (ROTB)|Battletrap]] up the mountain roads, Arcee exchanging fire while Wheeljack dodged missiles and wrecking balls thrown his way. Unfortunately, before they could get close to Battletrap, the Terrorcon attached his towline to Wheeljack's bumper, throwing him and Arcee off the cliff, which also triggered a rockslide that unwittingly broke up the battling Autobots and Terrorcons.

Recovering, he and Arcee immediately followed [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]] to assist their human allies from [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|an unfamiliar robotic gorilla]]. Unfortunately for him, [[Rhinox (ROTB)|a massive robotic rhino]] bowled him over from behind. After [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and Primal made a truce, Wheeljack accompanied the united Autobot and [[Maximal]] group to the human village which held Primal's half of the Transwarp Key. The next day, he took part in the final battle to prevent [[Unicron]] being summoned to Earth, fighting off the horde of [[Freezer]]s and [[Scorponok (ROTB)|Scorponoks]] as a distraction for his allies to shut the machine down.

During the course of the battle, he and Optimus came across Battletrap again, nearly getting shot multiple times, with Primal and Prime having to assist to defeat the Terrorcon. Later on, Wheeljack regrouped with Arcee in mowing down more [[Freezer|Freezers]], eventually receiving a minor injury to his lower abdomen. He was also knocked down and briefly overwhelmed when Unicron's reinforcements arrived, but was able to recover when [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] arrived to assist after his resurrection. When Optimus was forced to destroy the Transwarp bridge himself, Wheeljack was ordered to retreat to avoid the expected explosion, following Primal out of the area. Victorious and with Prime safe, he and the other Autobots and Maximals remained steadfast, ready to face Unicron's return.
{{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Studio Series''===
[[File:Studio-Series-Deluxe-Class-Bumblebee-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My head's no longer the Matrix anymore! Huzzah, I say!]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, [[2022]])
**''Movie'': '''''Bumblebee'''''
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''81'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-84'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[June 25]], 2022
**''Accessories'': Blaster, "Cybertron Falls" backdrop (2nd version)
{{toydesigner|[[Sam Smith]] (Hasbro), [[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)| [[Emiliano Santalucia]] (concept artist)}}<ref>Sam Smith's [https://www.instagram.com/p/CbWbHWrMoY7/ Instagram post] for ''Studio Series'' Wheeljack</ref>

:''[[Studio Series]]'' Wheeljack is based on his appearance in the [[Bumblebee (film)|''Bumblebee'' movie]] and turns into a Cybertronian car. As with the majority of Bumblebee's Cybertronian characters, his alternate mode was created by Hasbro and TakaraTomy for the toy as the film model was not designed to transform. He comes with the blaster that he utilized in the Cybertron battle scene, which can store on his back and on top of the vehicle mode. The slot used for vehicle mode can also be used in robot mode to give Wheeljack an arm-mounted blaster.

:There have been a few notable [[quality control]] issues on some copies of this figure. The front windshield doesn't always tab in properly, leaving a small gap in the front of the car. In robot mode, his shoulders may have a tendency to detach from the torso when handling. The ball joints on his feet can be extremely tight, to the point it doesn't feel like they can move. Also, as the feet are completely painted over, paint-chipping may occur, especially since they rub against other parts during transformation.

:Like other ''Studio Series'' toys, the interior of the package forms a display backdrop, this backdrop being a war-torn Cybertron as it appears in the beginning of the film.
{{--}}

===''Buzzworthy Bumblebee''===
[[File:ROTB-Buzzworthy-Bumblebee-Deluxe-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|What's that? One of those 'Led Zeppelins' I've heard so much about?]]
*'''Jungle Mission 3-pack: Cheetor, Nightbird, and Wheeljack''' (Multipack, [[2023]])
**''Accessories'': Blaster

: Released in a Target-exclusive ''[[Buzzworthy Bumblebee]]'' Jungle Mission 3-pack, Wheeljack is a Deluxe Class figure based on his appearance in ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]''. He transforms from a bespectacled robot into an unlicensed approximation of a Volkswagen Minibus with "TV Pablo" livery on the side. He includes a blaster that he can hold, or store on the roof of his vehicle mode.

:Wheeljack comes packaged with [[Cheetor (ROTB)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Cheetor]] and [[Nightbird (ROTB)#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Nightbird]].
{{--}}

===''Rise of the Beasts''===
[[File:TF-ROTB-Deluxe-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|right|300px|''Ehrm.. Ackshually..'']]
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, 2023)
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''Deluxe Class Wheeljack'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''BD-05'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': July 15, 2023
**''Accessories'': Blaster

:The Wheeljack from the ''Buzzworthy Bumblebee'' Jungle Mission 3-pack was also available individually at general retail under ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (toyline)|Rise of the Beasts]]'' packaging.

:He was first sighted at Australian retail, before any of his wave mates.
{{-}}

[[File:TF-ROTB-Beast-Alliance-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Stop hitting my child in the head with a lead pipe!"]]
*'''Wheeljack & Rhinox''' (Beast Weaponizer, 2023)
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''Kakusei Change Set Wheeljack & Rhinox'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''BCS-03'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': July 15, 2023
{{toydesigner|[[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)}}

:Beast Weaponizer Wheeljack is a simplified toy that converts from a robot to an unlicensed approximation of a Volkswagen Minibus in 11 steps. He comes with a redecoed [[Rhinox (ROTB)#BeastWeaponizer|Beast Battle Master Rhinox]], who transforms into a minigun for Wheeljack to wield.

:Like much of this toyline, this set was found at retail before any official announcement, this time in Canada.
{{-}}

==Merchandise==
===Jada Toys===
====''Hollywood Rides''====
[[File:TF-ROTB-Jada-1-24-Wheeljack.jpg|upright=1.44|thumb|It's a Frank, Frank. A Frank that shoots Franks.]]
*'''Volkswagen Bus Wheeljack''' (Scale 1/24 Die Cast Vehicle, 2023)
**''Accessories'': Autobot badge standee
:Released by [[Jada Toys]], this 1/24 scaled non-transforming die-cast licensed Volkswagen Type 2 with rubber tires features opening doors and trunk with detailed interiors. Similar to the ''Robot Powered Machines'', the car features a sculpted robot mode underneath.

:Presumably thanks to production lead time, Wheeljack features both the "TV Pablo" markings from the movie itself and the "Frank's TV" branding from footage that went unused in the film.<ref name=frank>{{citesocial|quote=Cool, that's my picture of Frank! Originally, he was in the New York parts of the film, with the van appearing in the warehouse scene, but that was cut. Here's some of the pictures I took of the van when I spotted it returning to the vehicle holding area at MELS in Montreal:|link=https://twitter.com/tfaltmodes/status/1668009290504732672|name=TransformersAltModes|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=6|day=11}}</ref>

:The 1/24 Wheeljack comes with a small chrome Autobot badge on a display stand.

{{anchor|Jada1-32}}
*'''Volkswagen Bus Wheeljack''' (Scale 1/32 Die Cast Vehicle, 2023)
:A smaller replica of Wheeljack much similar to the version above. The opening gimmick is limited to the doors only.
{{--}}

==Notes==
*The promotional render of Wheeljack seen at the top of this page sports some differences from his character model as seen in the film; most notably, it lacks the Autobot badge (a modified Volkswagen logo) on his chest, leaving it blank.
*''Rise of the Beasts'' Wheeljack was conceived as a distinct character from ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que/Wheeljack]]. Rather than take the more [[Wheeljack (G1)|Generation 1-inspired]] design of the Wheeljack seen in ''Bumblebee'', either [[Hasbro]] or [[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]] wanted to lean more into the idea of the character as a nerdy scientist, as they felt the "tough guy" seen in the previous movie was too similar to other characters among the Autobots.<ref>{{citesocial|quote='''Okay. Wheeljack is in this movie. But Wheeljack is also in Transformers: Dark of the Moon, and also just gets killed out of the blue. I love Wheeljack, but this Wheeljack and that Wheeljack seem nothing alike.''' Yeah, they’re different, man. I know the fans have been calling him Pablo Wheeljack, so I’m going to ride with the fans on that one. '''So these are different characters?''' Yes, exactly. When I got into the film, they had already wanted the Wheeljack part of this picture, but they wanted to redesign it and actually lean more into the science and nerdy part of Wheeljack. They felt like the Wheeljack – I don’t know if this is the studio or Hasbro who was here before me – he was kind of falling into the lane of the other characters. Kind of tough. Ironhide, and those kind of vibes. Just didn’t feel like enough variety across the board. And so, for me as a fan, I was like, “All right, how can I keep some of the essence?” But I was like, I’m going to just dive deep into the lore and just gave him his whole sort of personality and a different look as we start to now develop and move on. But yeah, that was it. It was no shade or callbacks to the other Wheeljack at all. But people started calling Pablo Wheeljack, which I thought was kind of funny. And Cristo likes it too. He’s like, “I’m down for that.” Cristo Fernandez, who plays him, which is cool.|name=Steven Caple Jr.|site=Uproxx|link=https://uproxx.com/movies/steven-caple-jr-interview-transformers-rise-of-the-beasts/|day=07|month=06|year=2023}}</ref>
*Behind-the-scenes photos of Wheeljack's vehicle mode suggest that he was originally intended to appear in the [[New York City|New York]]-set segments of the film, with his vehicle mode belonging to "Frank's TV" rather than "TV Pablo".<ref name=frank/> This ended up influencing the [[Jada Toys]] die-cast vehicles of Wheeljack, both of which sport "Frank's TV" on their left side and "TV Pablo" on their right.
*Due to the "TV Pablo" branding on his vehicle mode, many fans took to jokingly calling this iteration 'Pablo', as both a shot at him daring not to look like [[Wheeljack (G1)|the original]], and an affectionate nickname. Even director [[Steven Caple Jr.]] and Cristo Fernández (his voice actor) support it!
*During the sequence where the Autobots and Maximals line up ready for battle, a pair of ear-like fins based on those of [[Wheeljack (G1)|"Generation 1" Wheeljack]] pop out of the sides of his head; this was apparently a last-minute addition, as some promotional material (notably, the trailers released by Paramount Pictures UK) show the same footage without the fins.<ref>[https://youtu.be/itnqEauWQZM Transformers: Rise of the Beasts | Official Trailer (2023 Movie)] from Paramount Pictures on YouTube, with ears</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/A5TcKWqMOp8 Transformers: Rise of the Beasts | Official Trailer | Paramount Pictures UK] from Paramount Pictures on YouTube, without ears</ref> Either way, it's very easy to miss, as the fins have vanished by the next shot that Wheeljack appears in and never show up again!

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Wheeljack''' (ホイルジャック ''Hoirujakku'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Qiānjīndǐng''' (China, 千斤顶, "Wheeljack" or "Hoisting Jack")

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

[[Category:Rise of the Beasts Autobots]]

Wheeljack (Movie)

2023-06-19T21:14:11Z

Jman98: The Wheeljack in BB and ROTB should be one in the same, as ROTB is a direct sequel to BB.

{{featured}}
{{factions|autobotfilm|NEST|hofsilver}}
{{disambig3.5|the ''Dark of the Moon'' Autobot|the ''other'' movie Wheeljack|Wheeljack (ROTB)|Wheeljack}}
:''Wheeljack is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Movie continuity family]].''
[[File:HeatScramble wheeljack.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.95|Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity... and I'm not sure about the former.]]
An accomplished [[Autobot]] scientist and inventor, '''Wheeljack''' (aka '''Que''') will hook you up with some new weapon or gizmo that he just invented. There's no problem too big or too small that Wheeljack isn't willing to tackle, be it celestial mechanics or inventing potent new anti-Decepticon combat weapons. Because of this, he's a welcome addition to the [[NEST]] team, as staying on the cutting edge of technology is a priority for NEST.

That said, he's not much a fighter, and prefers to leave the violence to his combat partner [[Dino]]. With his wild hairstyle, glasses, and dapper [[Facial hair|moustache]], he resembles a certain famous [[Albert Einstein|scientist]] as well! To complete the German homage, he transforms into a {{W|Mercedes-Benz}} E550.

{{bigquote|They're great inventions for kicking ass!|Que on his latest killamajig|''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Movies===
{{note|The six movies are the primary component of the live-action movie continuity family. Their events should be taken as canon for all other pieces of fiction listed below, unless otherwise specified.}}

====''Dark of the Moon'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[George Coe]] (English), [[Shinpachi Tsuji]] (Japanese)|[[Guillermo Coria]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Jaume Lleal]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Giorgio Lopez]] (Italian), [[Éric Legrand]] (European French), [[Péter Barbinek]] (Hungarian), [[Ayrton Cardoso]] (Brazilian Portuguese), [[Eberhard Prüter]] (German), [[Ender Yiğit]] (Turkish)}}
[[File:Dark-of-the-moon-que-robot-atnest.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|Good news, everyone! Tomorrow, you'll all be making a delivery to Ebola 9, the virus planet.]]
[[File:Dark-of-the-moon-que-carmode.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"Is there any other protection I need?" "Only from me, 007, unless you bring that car back in pristine order."]]
As a member of a NEST strike team, Que, in his vehicle form, posed as the [[Iran]]ian defense minister's vehicle to cross a checkpoint. Once he and the others reached an illegal nuclear facility, he, [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] and [[Dino]] investigated and destroyed it.

Later at NEST's new base of operations in Washington, D.C., Que provided weapons-specialist [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] with a weapons upgrade, supplying him with two powerful rifles, much to Ironhide's liking. When National Intelligence Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] arrived, he politely introduced himself and informed them about Optimus Prime's upset mood. Mearing thought this was the silent treatment but Que and Ironhide assured that this was not that, it was worse. He stood in the background with his fellow Autobots and observed Optimus berate the government officials for keeping the wreckage of the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' a secret from the Autobots.
[[File:DOTMQuegadget.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|"I'll hazard I can do more damage on my laptop sitting in my pajamas before my first cup of Earl Grey than you can do in a year in the field."]]
When the Autobots were ordered to be exiled from Earth by the government on [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime's]] demands, Que helped to prepare the Autobot ship, the ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]'' for launch alongside his fellow Autobots. However, after launch, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] attacked the ''Xantium'' and destroyed the ship, presumably killing Que and the other Autobots on board.

Secretly, the Autobots had suspected treachery, and hid inside one of their shuttle's booster rockets which had detached shortly before Starscream's attack. Que went alongside his comrades into the midst of the Decepticon-occupied [[Chicago]]. Before the Autobots went off to battle, Que provided [[Sam Witwicky]], [[Robert Epps]] and a team of soldiers with several new [[Grapple glove|anti-Decepticon]] [[Boomstick|weapons]] that he had constructed which would, as he put it, "kick ass."
[[File:DOTMQuegetsit.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Good news, everyone! I've been shot - wait a minute, that's not good news at all!]]
Later on, when several Autobots were overwhelmed and captured, he was taken hostage alongside Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Dino and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]. At [[Dylan Gould]]'s prodding, [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] decided to make trophies of the prisoners, starting with Que. Que voiced his fears to Bumblebee just as [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] pushed him forward, telling him his "time was up". Despite Que's pleas for mercy, he was shot in the chest by a Decepticon [[protoform]]. He fell to his knees in pain, asking why they were doing this before Barricade shot him in the back, killing him. His body fell to the ground and his deactivated head rolled away from his broken body.

His death left Bumblebee distraught, mourning his lost friend, while Barricade added insult to injury by laughing at the fallen Autobot. Soundwave even pushed Bumblebee onto Que's dead body to torment him before his own execution. Bumblebee soon avenged his fallen friend by killing Soundwave. Que would also avenge his own death, in a way, as his Boomsticks were used to help take down his killer, Barricade. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
{{note|Wheeljack's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novel "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (novel)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]"; the "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation]]" and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics; and the storybooks "[[Autobots Versus Decepticons]]," "[[Optimus Prime's Friends and Foes]]" and "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Mix & Match]]."}}

====''Age of Extinction'' film====
Five years after the Battle of Chicago, Que was listed as "deceased" by the CIA taskforce, [[Cemetery Wind]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}

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===IDW movie comics===
[[File:Foundation1 wheeljack.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Yeah, but what you have done for us ''lately''?]]
Thousands of years ago on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Wheeljack was one of [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]'s followers. He was a crucial figure in the culmination of Sentinel Prime's plan to save the dying planet: While Sentinel's other pupils held off an attack by the heretic [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]], Wheeljack's technical skills went to work creating a device that, once linked to the AllSpark, warped time and space, teleporting a sun into Cybertronian space. The sun's energy revitalized the [[AllSpark]], bringing life and energy back to Cybertron, and Wheeljack calmly remarked that, wouldn't you know it, it seemed they'd only gone and saved the world. {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}} Soon after, Wheeljack stood by Sentinel Prime's side when he addressed the collective populace of the planet on [[Unification Day]], announcing the new direction for the revitalized Cybertron. The world was to be governed by a [[Science Division]] led by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], and a [[Defense Force]] under [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s command; naturally, Wheeljack elected to join the former.{{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

Years later, Wheeljack was with Sentinel Prime and [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]] at one of the division's archaeological digs when they came under attack from Megatron's forces, which he had rechristened "[[Decepticon]]s" with the intent of seizing control of the planet. Optimus—now Optimus ''Prime''—rallied those who opposed Megatron under him as the [[Autobot]]s, Wheeljack included. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}}

As the war worsened, Sentinel Prime presented the Autobots with a mysterious "torch" he had invented that would somehow end the war. An Autobot strike team under Optimus assault [[Simfur]] in order to activate the torch by bringing it into contact with the AllSpark, while Wheeljack stayed by Sentinel's side, awaiting its return and preparing to depart aboard the two great [[Ark (disambiguation)|Arks]] the Autobots had built. Elita-One soon arrived with the active torch, at which point Sentinel ordered a reluctant Wheeljack to take the first [[Ark (Movie)|Ark]] and collected the other Autobots from their base in [[Tyger Pax]], while Sentinel himself took the torch and went to pick up Optimus's team aboard his own [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]. Consequently, Sentinel's Ark and all aboard were apparently destroyed by the Decepticons upon arrival. Furious at the death of his mentor, Optimus Prime enacted a new plan: while he kept Megatron busy, Wheeljack took the rest of the Autobots and attacked Simfur again, overwhelming the weakened Decepticons there and capturing the AllSpark. The cube was removed from the machine Wheeljack had invented, which caused Cybertron's sun to disappear. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

[[File:RisingStorm4WheeljackeandMiragebodiesdestroyed.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4|They will get better]]

Thousands of years later, Wheeljack joined Optimus Prime on Earth at some point after 2009. He and [[Dino|Mirage]] joined [[NEST]] and were assigned to a unit stationed in [[Washington, D.C.]]. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3}} This put them closest to the action when a huge Decepticon battalion attacked [[Sam Witwicky]]'s school in [[Philadelphia]], and they arrived just in time to help [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] fight off the villains. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}} Wheeljack generated a powerful [[force field]] to shield Sam and other human bystanders as they ran from the battle, {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3|Rising Storm #3}} and the pair helped hold the line until Optimus Prime arrived with reinforcements. Observing that the Decepticons were attempting to flee, Prime ordered Wheeljack to extend his force field in order to keep them from escaping, but before the scientist could comply, the merciless [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] descended onto the battlefield and grievously damaged Wheeljack with a powerful blast. Luckily, Wheeljack remained just functional enough to complete his recalibration, trapping Shockwave inside his force field with a very unhappy Optimus Prime. After Prime defeated Shockwave, [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] examined Wheeljack's broken body and reported that he could be repaired, though he probably wouldn't be "quite the same". {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4|Rising Storm #4}}

===Toy bios===
The Autobots' technology used to lag badly behind the Decepticons' until Wheeljack came along. His brilliant innovative mind helped the Autobots with getting their arsenal caught up with that of their enemies'. This was also helped by the few brave soldiers willing to volunteer for Wheeljack's extremely dangerous experiments. {{storylink|#Movie Advanced Series|''Movie Advanced Series'' Wheeljack}}

When he first learned about the laws of physics, Wheeljack took them as a challenge to his intelligence because laws were made to be broken. He dedicated his life to pushing the limits of science. More often than not, Wheeljack's inventions would fail spectacularly. But if (and when) they succeed, they can change the course of millions of lives. {{storylink|#Dark of the Moon|''Dark of the Moon'' Wheeljack}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Autobots'' video game===
Wheeljack upgraded [[Create-A-Bot (Autobot)|Create-A-Bot]] so that he could store the data of and, thus, adopt multiple vehicle forms. Wheeljack's body type appeared as several automobile forms, including the Beater, Sportster, Notchback, Import, Longhorn (Autobot Exclusive), Gunner (Autobots Exclusive), Stunt Car (Decepticons Exclusive), Lightning Rider, Tricked Out Car, Racer, Hot Rodder, Speedster, and Scout (Decepticons Exclusive). {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Autobots}}

===''Transformers: The Game'' (PSP)===
{{voiceactor|[[Erik Passoja]] (English)}}
[[File:Wheeljack movie psp.jpg|thumb|right|Before the 'stache.]]

Wheeljack arrived on [[Earth]] some time after [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and his team, apparently at the same time as [[Hoist (Movie)|Hoist]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]]. At that time, the Autobots were coming under attack from an army of Decepticon drones, and Wheeljack was able to concoct a virus that would send the drones back into sleep mode. [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] and [[Trailbreaker (Movie)|Trailbreaker]] were charged with transmitting the virus to an orbiting satellite, broadcasting it to all the drones simultaneously. Although they succeeded, Wheeljack was left with the unfortunate task of relaying to Optimus Prime that Hound had died in the process.

A little later, Wheeljack accompanied the Autobots on their mission to the [[Hoover Dam]], and was seen escaping the complex when the Decepticons attacked. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (PSP)|Transformers The Game (PSP)}}

===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon - The Game''===
{{voiceactor|[[Jamie Alcroft]] (English)|[[Bernard Métraux]] (French)}}

====Xbox 360/PS3====
Wheeljack aided his Autobot comrades from behind the scenes, arming them with newer, more potent weaponry almost as soon as he was done building them. Wheeljack also made a virus for the Autobots to hack the Decepticon transmissions. Later, he had NEST forces deliver one of these [[Heavy Iron 2.0|new weapons]] to Ironhide as the latter was battling the Decepticons in Detroit. The gun Wheeljack sent him enabled Ironhide to destroy Mixmaster's shields, leaving the Decepticon vulnerable.

Soundwave later infiltrated an old Sector Seven base that was evidently used as a workshop by Wheeljack to develop new MechTech weapons. Unfortunately, Soundwave managed to destroy the base and the MechTech with it, while what few weapons were already en route to Optimus Prime were intercepted by Starscream. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)|Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)}}

====Autobots/Decepticons====
Wheeljack warned [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] to be very careful fighting [[Crowbar]], as Crowbar had a reputation as a deadly fighter. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons|Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons}}

==Toys==
===''Dark of the Moon''===
[[File:Dotm-Deluxe-Wheeljack-Toy.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves.]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2012)
**''TakaraTomy name'': '''Autobot Que'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number:'' '''DA31'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Tool Kit/Combat Saw, 2 power tools, spear

: ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Wheeljack transforms from a blue [[Mercedes-Benz]] E550. He comes with a [[MechTech]] Tool Kit which turns into a spinning Circular Saw. His MechTech weapon is capable of standing alone as a portable workbench of sorts, is held/mounted with two different [[5 mm post|post]]s, and features a [[C joint]] bar between two of the front legs. He also features two different power tools, resembling a power drill and a nail/rivet gun, that clip to his upper waist, as well as a large spear that clips to his back. He features MechTech ports on his hands, arms, back/hood underside, and roof, although none of the clip-on weapons can be hidden in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]], nor are there sufficient ports to mount them all. His [[stock photography]] depicts his saw blade as painted in gold, but is left unpainted in the final product.

: Wheeljack was to be released in the US in December, 2011, but his release was first moved to February, 2012, then ultimately announced by Hasbro to be cancelled during [[Toy Fair 2012]]. No explicit reasons were given, but a combination of factors including the push for a new cartoon-centric toyline and retailer disinterest can be cited. At [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2012, they stated they were trying to find ways to get those figures out in USA retailers, but it ultimately never came to pass.

:The Hasbro version of the figure, sporting the "Wheeljack" name, was released in Asian markets in May 2012, while Takara's release of the figure was rather surprisingly packaged under his in-movie name as "Autobot Que".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/DOTMWheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on Wheeljack at TFU.info]''
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===''Movie Trilogy Series''===
[[File:MovieTrilogytoys-Wheeljack.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|"I went to a rejuvenation clinic and got a whole natural overhaul. They took out some wrinkles, did hair repair, changed the blood - added a good 30 to 40 years to my life. They also replaced my spleen and colon. What do you think?"]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' ?

: ''[[Movie Trilogy Series]]'' Wheeljack is a redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe Wheeljack, but using the mold's alternate head (previously seen in the first toy's [[instructions]]) and decoed in colors closer to Generation 1 Wheeljack.
{{canceledtoy}}
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===''Movie Advanced Series''===
[[File:TF-Movie-Advanced-EX-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"The way I see it, if you're going to build a time machine into a car, why not do it with some style?"]]
*'''Wheeljack''' (Deluxe Class, [[August 8]], [[2014]])
**''ID Number:'' '''ADEX'''

: An AEON shop exclusive, ''[[Movie Advanced Series]]'' Wheeljack is a redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Deluxe Wheeljack, but using the mold's alternate head (previously seen in the first toy's [[instructions]] and which was to be used in the canceled ''Movie Trilogy Series'' figure above) and decoed in colors closer to Generation 1 Wheeljack, moreso than the ''Movie Trilogy Series'' Wheeljack was to have been. Like the [[Soundwave (ROTF)#Movie Advanced Series|Darkside Soundwave]] figure, Wheeljack comes with no weapons or accessories.
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==Notes==
[[File:Dark-of-the-moon-que-robot-back.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67|My God... Do you know what this means?! It means this damn ''thing'' doesn't work at all!]]
* Wheeljack's onscreen name "Que" is a nod to the famous ''{{w|James Bond}}'' character {{w|Q (James Bond)|Q}}, who similarly provided his allies with equipment and gadgets. Furthermore, Que's scene in the Chicago battle, where he provides the NEST soldiers with a variety of weapons while stating their various features and functions, is lifted almost wholesale from many ''Bond'' movies. Rather interestingly though, he is listed in the credits as Que/Wheeljack, implying "Que" may just be a nickname.
* An early working name for him was '''Steeljaw''', and his head was considered to be based on {{w|Christopher Lloyd}}'s [[Doc Brown]] from the ''[[Back to the Future]]'' movies rather than Einstein. He was also going to have a 'labcoat', formed from his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] canvas roof.<ref name="wburt">[http://conceptartworld.com/?p=8388 Wesley Burt DOTM concepts.]</ref> Some trace of this design remains, briefly visible in the film as Prime is saying goodbye to Sam, in the form of a sort of waistcoat or carpenter's tool belt on his waist. That, of course, is in addition to the assortment of gadgets, tools, ammo and weapons attached to his waist, strapped across his chest, and hanging off his back.
* Numerous adaptations of Dark of the Moon (such as the [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation|comic adaptation]] and [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel|junior novelization]]) illustrated that during the Autobot capture in Chicago, it was Dino/Mirage who was executed by Soundwave. However this was changed in the movie to Que/Wheeljack being killed instead while Dino/Mirage survived the battle.
** The [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (novel)|novelization]] of the film also included a different death for the character in which he was run off the Chicago streets and into a river by the [[Driller]], where he was torn apart by Decepticon soldiers lying in wait for him.
[[File:BB-Wheeljack-model.jpg|thumb|Now, like his [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|G1 namesake's toy]], we know that there's something under that [[mouthplate|thing]].]]
* The Mercedes-Benz E550 prop car used for ''Dark of the Moon'' sported a German/European Union [[license plate]], "'''M IC3802'''", registered in the city of Munich, on the Chicago set.<ref name="chicago">[http://www.seibertron.com/live-action-films/gallery.php?id=133&size=0&start=50 Dark of the Moon Chicago set] at Seibertron.com.</ref> (The design of the plate is slightly inaccurate, as there should be a space between "IC" and "3802" if it were a real German plate. Also, a German car would have a license plate on the front as well.)
* Good luck trying to figure out his accent, by the way, as he oscillates between an impenetrably garbled half-Scottish, half-Irish muddle and English "Received Pronunciation" all the way through the film, at times in the same sentence. What we can tell you he's ''not'' speaking with, though, is a German accent, which a disturbing number of American fans seems to have concluded based simply on the fact he looks like Einstein.
*Wheeljack's Cybertronian design in ''Bumblebee'' is heavily inspired by his Generation 1 [[Wheeljack (G1)|namesake]].
** Wheeljack's CGI render from the "Bee-Vision" extras (see right) and some concept art<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/19/bumblebee-movie-concept-art-round-up-9-cybertronian-robots-time-388425 TFW2005 archive] of ''Bumblebee'' concept art from Stephen Zavala</ref> depict him with a white head, while in the film his head is mostly gray with white streaks.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Que''' (キュー ''Kyū''), '''Wheeljack''' (ホイルジャック ''Hoirujakku'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Qiānjīndǐng''' (China, 千斤顶, "Wheeljack" or "Hoisting Jack")

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
|charname=Wheeljack
|disambig=Wheeljack (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], the crackpot Autobot scientist from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]], the kung-fu-fighting Autobot from the [[Unicron Trilogy]].
*[[Wheeljack (Animated)|Wheeljack]], the Autobot [[Ministry of Science]] member from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]].''
*[[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]], the sword-wielding [[Wreckers|Wrecker]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
*[[Wheeljack (Cyberverse)|Wheeljack]], the goateed Autobot inventor from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]''.}}

==References==
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[[Category:Age of Extinction Autobots]]
[[Category:Bumblebee Autobots]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
[[Category:Movie Autobots]]
[[Category:NEST]]
[[Category:Scientists]]

Talk:Wheeljack (Movie)

2023-06-19T15:52:38Z

Jman98: /* Splitting Que and Wheeljack */

Shouldn't the m in (movie) be capitalized? [[User:70.53.248.58|70.53.248.58]] 06:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: "I don't remember a Wheeljack mentioned, but sure.". During the fourth story mission, Car Shopping, in Autobots. When you first meet Bumblebee, he tells you (the player-character) to scan a bunch of Earth vehicles, and the player-character mentions Wheeljack gave him some upgrades allowing him to store multiple alternate forms.

Is it worth noting that, according to Ghosts of Yesterday, Bumblebee apparantly also has these upgrades? He quickly assumes a wheeled ATV early after landing to investigate Ghost One, then reverts back to his Protoform in mere minutes (or at least he considers it, and the narration never ever implies it's a lengthy or energy-consuming task.) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 07:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:I read that Wheeljack was originally going to be in the movie on Wikipedia. Is there any truth to that, or is someone yanking my chain? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 05:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== Que ==

Isn't this guy called Que now?
:[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]]
:No. Even if he does end up being called "Que" in the film, he'll still be Wheeljack, just like [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:28, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
::Can we get one of those "Hey dumbass, don't edit this if you are only going to add stupid rumors" notes to TRY to stop people from changing this to Que every few days? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:40, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

=="Que" is the worst name in all of Transformers==
I really want this to be noted, but his actual page probably isn't the right place. -[[User:LV|LV]] 15:47, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

You think Erector is better? [[Special:Contributions/10.176.65.91|10.176.65.91]] 03:41, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:INFINITELY better. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:55, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:YES. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 09:42, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
In my defense of one of my favorite autobots the name is actually supposed to be like Q from a James bond movie, I think it was live and let die.
jack
Age 11

==Name change==

The [[Movie timeline]] article seems to imply that 'Que' is the name Wheeljack took on after being destroyed and extensively rebuilt. Should this be mentioned in a note?

== Desmond Llewyln ==

Does anybody reminds him that he is much more like actor Desmond Llewyln?

are you sure that wheeljack is que? --[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 11:06, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

== Bumblebee film ==

Have we gotten any confirmation at all that he's supposed to show up aside from Travis Knight saying "maybe"? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 3 October 2018 (EDT)

==Splitting Que and Wheeljack==
shouldn't we move ROTB Wheeljack's stuff to a new page just like we did for ROTB Mirage? --[[User:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] 03:43, 7 june 2023 (EST)
:Going to push for this as well, if only for consistency's sake. Question is, what do we do about the Bumblebee guy? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:08, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::I would argue splitting into a new section, but not a new page. If Galvatron the crazed upgrade of Megatron and Galvatron the primitive warlord can both live on Galvatron (G1), both Wheeljacks can live on a "live action movie" contnuity family. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 13:19, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
:::Except both Galvatrons look the same and ultimately have the same basic characterization. Que and the Wheeljack of ROTB are ultimately nothing alike; Que is more along the lines of classic inventor Wheeljack, while ROTB Wheeljack seems mainly to be a more general research type. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:37, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::::I've been anticipating this and am mostly in favor of ROTB Wheeljack getting his own page, but keeping BB Wheeljack on the same page as DOTM Wheeljack/Que. The latter had that Movie Advanced toy that was as much influenced by G1 Wheeljack as BB Wheeljack's design is, so DOTM Que still has enough Wheeljack in him for the BB guy to stay. ROTB Wheeljack, however, is kind of a youngster in the movie, which neither the BB nor DOTM 'Jacks were. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:45, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
:::::With the franchise officially maintaining the line that this still a prequel, I think a split is absolutely warranted. I would lean towards keeping the Bee Movie guy with the ROTB guy, though - that feels less subjective to me than making calls based on what kind of off-screen merch characters had. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 05:47, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
::::::Steve Blum voiced BB Wheeljack like a middle-aged man, akin to how Chris Latta made G1 Wheeljack sound. ROTB Wheeljack sounds like he just graduated high school. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:10, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
:::::::Count me for another vote of "definitely split". On-screen they have basically nothing connecting them beyond the vaguest archetype of "smart guy" - not even the name! That said, I'd agree with keeping the Bumblebee prologue character on this page; Que has the explicit connection of "toys of him that look like G1 Wheeljack", which ROTB Wheeljack doesn't. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:22, 12 June 2023 (EDT)
::::::::Put me down in the "BeastJack goes, BeeJack stays" column as well. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:24, 12 June 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah I'm with this split decision aswell, the only thing associated with ROTB Wheeljack is him fixing things which is literally quoted once by Mirage, but he doesn't really scream scientist nor "brilliant mechanical engineer" unlike the original Wheeljack or even Que as the matter of fact. And the whole changing accents from normal generic American accent, to then Latino and then half-English/Scottish/Irish/German is absolutely inconsistent. He really is in my headcanon just Wheeljack Jr., the son of Wheeljack. -- [[User:Pandatee 01|Pandatee 01]] ([[User talk:Pandatee|talk]]) 12:35, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::::::::::Even though ROTB and BB Wheeljack are portrayed fairly differently, the ROTB and BB movies still have tighter continuity between each other than ROTB has with the Bay movies. Also, as far as the movies are concerned, DOTM Wheeljack is named Que.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 09:36, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
I think we're jumping the gun here and not giving ROTB the proper amount of time it needs to give us more information on its incarnation of the character. The movie ''just'' came out and there's almost zero supporting fiction or official statements out there, but it may change soon. Maybe a motion comic showing how Wheeljack changed from BB to ROTB will be included as a DVD bonus, maybe Caple Jr will declare him as a separate character in the director's commentary, maybe a two-pack of Wheeljack toys or even a G1-inspired deco of one of the ROTB toys is just around the corner, and we'll have our definitive answear. All I'm saying is, it's worth waiting just a little bit longer to avoid regretting it later. If nothing of the sorts happens at least for the next few months, then I think it's fair game to make the split. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 10:29, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
:I think it's a bit late to be like "we should wait to see what happens" given we've already split out Mirage. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:57, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::Maybe, maybe, maybe. We can merge back if needed. We shouldn't be relying on what ifs. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:58, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
:::Fair enough, just wanted to have that cleared out. Let's work with what we have for now, then. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 11:44, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::::I think the ''Bumblebee'' Wheeljack and ROTB Wheeljack should be considered one and the same, at the very least, as ROTB is a direct sequel to BB. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:52, 19 June 2023 (EDT)

Movie timeline

2023-06-13T15:44:34Z

Jman98: Including ROTB's omission status.

[[File:TF2007 optimus vs megatron.jpg|upright=2.5|thumb|After a while, the "is ''Bumblebee'' a reboot" debate got out of hand...]]

The [[Live-action film series|''Transformers'' live-action film series]] has what could charitably be described as an uneven continuity at best, with each new film in the series only barely acknowledging the history established by the previous ones. This '''timeline of the movie universe''' includes only information from the films themselves, meaning that there are many vague, overlapping, seemingly-contradictory elements at play.

A vast array of tie-in media was published in conjunction with the release of the first three films in the series, many of which help to expand, explain, and contextualize confusing aspects of the films themselves. However, following that trilogy of films, such tie-ins generally ceased production, and plot elements introduced in ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'' and ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'' have rendered much of the information they contained impossible to reconcile with the history as presented in the movies themselves. For a timeline of this "expanded universe," see [[#Alternate timelines|Alternate timelines]] below.

{{bigquote |We were once a peaceful race of intelligent mechanical beings. But then came the war... between the [[Autobot]]s who fought for freedom, and the [[Decepticon]]s who dreamt of tyranny.|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]|''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]}}

{{note|This timeline currently ignores the events of ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]'' as they do not fit in with the historical events given in ''The Last Knight''. Readers can expect to see this change as more information is given in future movies.}}

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==Prehistory==
===The Very Beginning===
[[File:Allspark movie.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
Before time began, the [[AllSpark]] is created from unknown origins. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

Under unrevealed circumstances, the planet [[Earth]] forms around the entity known as [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

[[File:ExtinctionOfTheDinosaurus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|It was "definitely" an asteroid]]
65 million years ago, a race of mysterious bio-mechanical beings known only as the [[Creator]]s uses "[[seed]]s" to [[cyberforming|cyberform]] many organic planets, converting their matter into a shapeshifting metal that would come to be known as [[living metal|Transformium]]. Prehistoric Earth is among the planets sown with the metal; the cyberforming of the planet triggers the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event, wiping out the planet's native [[dinosaur (dinosaur)|dinosaurs]]. The creators harvest the metal and take it to the planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they use it to create a robotic race known as "Transformers," who they intend to be explorers. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}} The sorceress [[Quintessa (TLK)|Quintessa]] will later purport to have been involved in the robots' creation, but her truthfulness remains in question. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

Subsequent events are unclear. The creators somehow lose control of the Transformers, and most modern Cybertronians appear to have no knowledge of the aliens, instead deifying the AllSpark and crediting it as the creator of their race. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}} Seven [[Dynasty of Primes|Primes]] rise to become the leaders of the Transformer race, and set out across the universe as explorers searching for energy to harvest to keep their race from dying. The Primes construct [[Star Harvester]]s on distant worlds to drain the energy from suns to create [[Energon]]. The Primes set out with one rule: “never destroy a planet with life.” The Primes use the legendary [[Matrix of Leadership]] as a key to power these harvesters. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

Also in existence around this time is a pantheon of great Cybertronian knights, many of whom [[Dinobot (AOE)|owe their forms]] to the dinosaurs of Earth, while [[Guardian Knight|several others]] are blessed with the ability to combine into [[Dragonstorm|a single three-headed dragon]]. These knights, either knowingly or unknowingly, fulfil the mandate of their creators and set out exploring the universe. Among their number is a direct descendant of the Primes known as [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}} {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

===17,000 BC===
[[File:ROTF-Solarharvester.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]
Circa 17,000 BC, the seven Primes and their followers arrive on Earth, intending to harvest the planet's sun. Upon discovering that Earth is inhabited by the [[human]] race, they cease their plans, but [[The Fallen|one of their number]], disgusted by humans, rebels and seeks to take the power of the sun for himself. For this betrayal, the treacherous Prime and those loyal to him become the first [[Decepticon]]s. War breaks out between these "Decepticons" and the other six Primes and their followers—known as the "[[Autobot]]s"—over possession of the Matrix. The evil Prime loses the battle and has the Matrix stolen from him by his [[Relatives|six brother]] Primes. Those Primes then create a [[Tomb of the Primes|tomb out of their own bodies]] to hide the Matrix from their brother, who, for his betrayal, had his name stricken from history, and was branded only 'The Fallen'.

The earliest [[human]] civilizations on Earth build their monuments over remains of Transformer activity on the planet. Around 2560 BC, construction of the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]] around the Star Harvester is completed, then later, in 1200 BC, the Tomb of the Primes is hidden beneath El Deir in [[Petra]]. A riddle is crafted to mark the tomb's location: "When dawn alights the dagger's tip, three kings will reveal the doorway." [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]] sent by The Fallen to hunt for the Matrix learn of the riddle, but fail in their search for the tomb and The Fallen abandons them, leaving them to [[Death#Energy depletion|run out of Energon and eventually die]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===In an unspecified era===
[[File:DOTM-Ark-Cybertron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8]]

Ages pass, and the Transformer civil war evolves. On [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the Autobots and Decepticons battle for control of the life-giving AllSpark; the Autobots are led by [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]], while The Fallen retreats to the shadows, his existence unknown to modern Autobots, leaving the Decepticons to be led by his apprentice, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}} {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}} {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}} As the war rages on, the rise in casualties and the devastation of Cybertron becomes too great for Sentinel Prime to bear. Knowing that his fellow Autobots will not tolerate the drastic action necessary to save their world, Sentinel strikes a secret deal with Megatron to harvest the resources of Earth to repair their dying world. Sentinel Prime invents hundreds of [[Pillar]]s to create a spacebridge big enough to transport Cybertron to Earth for the repairs, lying to the Autobots and telling them they are a means to transport troops and supplies for the war effort. Sentinel Prime boards the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' with the Pillars, intending to leave Cybertron and rendezvous with Megatron on Earth to set up the spacebridge, but the ''Ark'' is shot down by Decepticons unaware of the two leaders' secret deal. The ''Ark'' is left floating through space, believed destroyed. This results in the young knight, Optimus—Sentinel Prime's pupil and Megatron's oldest friend before he turned to evil, to whom he was considered a brother—taking leadership over the Autobots, becoming Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

The AllSpark is eventually lost to the far reaches of space, due to unspecified circumstances and Cybertron eventually dies from the extensive damages. This causes both the Autobots and the Decepticons to leave Cybertron searching for it. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

===10,000 BC onwards===
The AllSpark crash lands on Earth in 10,000 BC.

At some point, the Decepticon vessel ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'' crashes on an [[Nemesis (ROTF)#Crash Site Location|unidentified celestial body]] with The Fallen aboard.

Around 1,000 BC, Megatron discovers the AllSpark's location on Earth and ventures to the planet alone. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}} {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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==5th Century==
[[File:TLK KingArthur knights.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Dungeons & Dragons - Transformers edition.]]
Quintessa seeks to restore the damage done to Cybertron by the war and the loss of the AllSpark by draining the life force of Unicron/Earth. Realizing that she is not as beneficent as they had believed, her twelve [[Guardian Knight]]s steal the [[Staff of Merlin|control staff]] required to carry out the procedure, and go into hiding on Earth. In time, during the Dark Ages, they are discovered by the human "wizard" [[Merlin]], who promises to keep their existence a secret. In [[484]] AD, however, Merlin calls upon the knights' aid to help the forces of [[King Arthur]] defeat the [[Saxon]] hordes. The knights agree, and bestow ownership of the staff upon Merlin, coding it to his DNA.

When Merlin passes away, the knights entomb his body, with the staff still in hand, in their ship, which they relocate to the bottom of the ocean, standing guard over it in stasis. Knowing that someday, Quintessa will come for her staff, and that that day will be marked by the emergence of a thirteenth and last knight, the [[Order of the Witwiccans]] is founded to watch over Merlin's descendants. Over the following centuries, more and more Transformers will arrive on Earth and interact with humanity, but their presence is covered up by the Witwiccans. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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==16th Century==
[[File:TLK-history-Machine-Man.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85]]
In an unknown point in the 1500s, [[Leonardo da Vinci]] meets a "[[Da Vinci Bot|Machine Man]]", inspiring many of his inventions and sketches.<ref>The sketch of the "da Vinci Bot" uses several key elements from da Vinci's real-world sketches. It is highly likely that this individual is meant to serve as the inspiration to these sketches in-universe.</ref> He would later join the Order of the Witwiccans.

Around the 1560s, [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] makes his first recorded appearance. Both events were covered up by the Witwiccans. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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==18th Century==
In the 1700s, [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] allied himself with General [[George Washington]] during the {{w|American Revolutionary War}}. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

==19th Century==
[[File:TLK-history-Megatron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.85]]
In the early 1800s, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] had made their way to Earth and participated in the {{w|Napoleonic Wars}}. Ironhide would be recorded participating in the {{w|Battle of Trafalgar}} in [[1805]], while Optimus Prime was recorded battling during the {{w|Battle of Waterloo}} in [[1815]]. Both of these events were covered up by the Order of the Witwiccans.

In the 1860s, [[Drift (AOE)|Drift]] and [[Samurai Transformer|another 'bot]] had been residing in [[Japan]]. There, the pair joined a group of samurai and presumably learnt their ancient traditions.

In [[1883]], Megatron was present during the {{w|1883 eruption of Krakatoa|eruption of Krakatoa}}, but his presence was covered up by the Order of the Witwiccans. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}} At some point after this, he found his way to the [[Arctic]], where he would crash and becoming frozen beneath the ice. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

[[File:Movie2007 Megatron ArchibaldWitwicky.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right]]
In the year [[1897]], [[Archibald Witwicky|Captain Archibald Witwicky]] of the [[National Arctic Circle Expedition]] discovers Megatron when the Arctic ice gives way under his feet and he tumbles into the cavern that holds the Decepticon's frozen form.<ref>A document briefly seen while Frenzy hacks [[Air Force One]] in the film itself dates Witwicky's discovery of Megatron to September 7th, 1895, but is contradicted in dialogue by Sam, who dates his great-grandfather's voyage to 1897 during his class presentation. All tie-in media has supported Sam's version of events!</ref> Witwicky's inadvertent entry into the cave triggers Megatron's navigation system, causing the release of a beam of light that imprints the AllSpark's co-ordinates onto Witwicky's spectacles. Witwicky is rescued by his crew, and eventually seems to slip into insanity, only seeing and drawing Cybertronian hieroglyphs. He is locked up in a mental institution and the full extent of the beam eventually renders him completely blind. Megatron's discovery would be kept classified for some years under the US government as Project: Iceman. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}
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==20th Century==
===1900s===
[[File:TLK-Witwiccans-1901.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
In [[1901]], [[Hot Rod (DOTM)|Hot Rod]] is recorded in a photograph as a member of the Order of the Witwiccans. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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===1910s===
[[File:TLK-Starscream-WWI.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Around the early 1910s, many more Autobots and Decepticons would find their way to Earth and would participate in [[World War I]]. Aiding the British and US military forces were the Autobots, Ironhide and [[Bulldog (TLK)|Bulldog]], while the Decepticons, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] aided the [[Germany|German]]s. Their participation in the war would be covered up by the Order of the Witwiccans.

[[File:Bulldog archived photo.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2]]
Following the war, Ironhide presumably leaves Earth,<ref>Given his arrival in 2007 and the fact that he doesn't appear in anymore historical Witwiccan records, it's reasonable to assume he left at this point.</ref> while Bulldog stays behind, eventually retiring at [[Castle Folgan]] with a sad case of “robot dementia”. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

In [[1913]], almost 12,000 years after the AllSpark's estimated crash, it is discovered by [[Sector Seven|The First Seven]]. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}
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===1920s===
The discovery of the AllSpark leads to the formation of Sector Seven in [[1927]], under the US government. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}
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===1930s===
[[File:Movie All Spark Hoover Dam.JPG|thumb|upright=1.4|The most puzzling Rubik's cube to date.]]
In order to prevent alien forces from discovering the AllSpark, [[Herbert Hoover|President Herbert Hoover]] believed it would be best to hide it. So in [[1931]] the construction of [[Hoover Dam]] around the AllSpark's location begins. The walls of the dam are made extra thick with concrete to stop any energy signatures from being detected from the outside. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

[[File:Movie-Megatronfrozen.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|I WAS FROZEN TODAY!]]
In [[1932]], archaeologists find strange symbols in ancient ruins all across the globe, specifically Egypt. These symbols are later discovered in 2009 to be the [[Cyberglyphics|Language of the Primes]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

At some point, Sector Seven transports Megatron/N.B.E.-01's body to Hoover Dam, and they continue to keep him frozen there from [[1935]]. At some unknown point after this, scientific breakthroughs are made while studying N.B.E.-01, which begins the technological advancement of the modern age. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

In an unspecified time frame, Sector Seven discovers strange energy readings from various vehicles and forms of technology all across the globe. These readings don't appear to prove any essence of life hiding within them, so [[Project Black Knife|Project: Black Knife]] ceases operation and Sector Seven switches its focus onto other classified research. These energy readings were actually from the ancient Seekers that The Fallen abandoned in his search for the Matrix. [[Seymour Simmons|Agent Seymour Simmons]] would eventually beg Sector Seven in later years to continue their research into Project: Black Knife, but his superiors would believe him to be obsessed and ignore his wishes.<ref>It is never specified when said research began or ceased so this can be placed anywhere on the timeline. It was chosen to be placed here, as Sector Seven is currently in operation and actively searching for more evidence of alien activity around this time.</ref> {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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===1940s===
[[File:TLKWW2Flashback.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4]]
During [[World War II]], many Autobots join in the battle alongside the Allies. Hound joins the United States Medical Services Corps, while [[Lieutenant]] and the [[HMS Alliance]] join the {{w|British Armed Forces}} and {{w|Royal Navy}}, respectively.<ref>Based on Lieutenant's accent as well as his and the HMS Alliance's alternate forms, ''and'' the pair being in England, it's pretty safe to assume they were in the British Army.</ref> Around this time, [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] (also known as "ZB-7"), makes his first historical appearance on Earth. He joins Witwiccan member Hot Rod in fighting alongside the Allies in the {{w|First Special Service Force|Devil’s Brigade}}, and befriends a young Sir [[Edmund Burton]]. In [[April 30]], [[1945]] [[Adolf Hitler]] dies at the hands of [[Watch that killed Hitler|his own watch]]. After World War II is over, Bumblebee parts ways with Burton and Hot Rod, continuing his search for the AllSpark and forgetting entirely his participation in the war. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}} {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}
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===1960s===
[[File:Dotm-Arkreflection.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|"...then we'll ''really'' have to land on the moon! Invent NASA and tell them to get off their fannies!"]]
Around mid-[[1961]], the ''Ark'', which had been lost to time and space, finally meets its fate. As it makes impact on [[Moon (moon)|Earth's moon]], it is discovered via satellite in [[New Mexico]], thus sparking the space race of the 1960s. In April [[1963]] the [[Soviet Union|USSR]] sends the Luna 4 probe to the moon to take pictures, discovering drag marks on the surface and strange looking rocks. These rocks are actually hundreds of Pillars being taken from the ''Ark'' by the Decepticons after they too had discovered its location. The USSR sends another unmanned probe to the moon and it returns with the Ark's fuel cell. [[July 16]], [[1969]], [[Apollo 11]] departs from Earth and makes its first landing on the moon's surface four days later on [[July 20]]. [[Neil Armstrong]] and [[Buzz Aldrin]] successfully step foot on the ''Ark'' and begin their top secret investigation. A strategic twenty-one-minute blackout is staged by Sector Seven at [[NASA]] command to keep the true purpose of the moon landing a secret. A second American manned moon landing is carried out in November [[1969]], to continue excavation and research of the remains of the ''Ark''. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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===1970s===
From [[1970]] to [[1972]], the United States stages three further manned missions to the moon to continue plundering the ''Ark''. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] scout for viable agents within the American space program, and make contact with a NASA accountant named [[Gould]]. By tapping the stock market to provide Gould with all the money he desires, Soundwave procures his services to manipulate the NASA budget and make further moon missions financially unfeasible. Consequently, the sixth and final mission launches in December 1972. Also in 1972, Soundwave employs Soviet agents to ensure that the first Russian manned mission is cancelled. Soundwave spends the remainder of the decade manipulating his pawns, and "recruiting" more and more human agents in various areas of the American and Soviet government to ensure the ''Ark'' is never re-discovered. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

===1980s===
[[File:DOTM Ark.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.3]]
[[April 20]], [[1986]], after years of tests in [[Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant|Chernobyl]], the fuel cell extracted from the ''Ark'' finally blows up, causing the {{w|Chernobyl disaster}}. It was covered up as a nuclear malfunction. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

===1990s===
"Alien bad news magnet," [[Sam Witwicky]] is born to [[Ron Witwicky|Ronald]] and [[Judy Witwicky]].<ref>Hasbro's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/cybertronian-database.cfm#/timeline/sam_witwicky%27s_birth Vector Sigma timeline] states Sam was born [[October 10]], [[1990]]. However, Sam's driving license in ''Revenge of the Fallen'' reads [[September 13]] [[1991]]. Presumably, Sam's date of birth was adjusted so he would be 18 when he enrolled at college in 2009.</ref>
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==21st Century==
===2003===
[[File:Mars - tf2007 teaser image.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67]]
[[December 25]], [[2003]], the [[Beagle 2 Rover]] transmits 13 seconds of footage revealing alien activity on Mars. The event is classified top secret under Sector Seven order and the mission is classed as a total failure as reports are made of the rover going missing.
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===2007===
[[File:Movie Sam Mikaela meettheAutobots.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
In [[2007]], [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] makes his way to Afghanistan, where he shoots down a military helicopter and takes its form. Three months after this, he stages an attack on the [[SOCCENT Forward Operations Base]] in [[Qatar]] in an attempt to gain more information on Sector Seven and Project: Iceman. Where he fails, [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] succeeds, hacking into [[Air Force One]] and learning of the Witwicky family and Archibald's glasses. To protect Sam from the Decepticons closing in around him, Bumblebee positions himself in a [[Bolivia's Finest Quality Used Cars and Petting Zoo|used car lot]] to ensure that he will be purchased as the boy's first car. After summoning Optimus Prime's team to Earth, he is forced to reveal himself to Sam and [[Mikaela Banes|Mikaela]] to protect them from [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], following which Sam agrees to help the Autobots in their quest. A clash with Sector Seven ensues, which results in Bumblebee, Sam and Mikaela being taken to their Hoover Dam base as captives. The Autobots then use Archibald Witwicky's glasses to track the AllSpark and their captive friends to Hoover Dam. Unfortunately, in the process, they inadvertently lead the way for [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream's]] Decepticons, who attack the base and bring Megatron back online. A truce is orchestrated between the Autobots and Sector Seven with help from soldiers [[William Lennox]] and [[Robert Epps]], and they ally to battle their common foes.

[[File:Megatron allspark merge.JPG|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Heartburn. Just another thing humans have to [[Humanization|force us into]] for their entertainment.]]
Events culminate in a colossal battle over the AllSpark in [[Mission City]], which ends when Sam plunges the cube into Megatron's chest, killing him and leaving only a small fragment of the cube behind. With the majority of the Decepticons destroyed or otherwise routed in the battle, Starscream and Barricade are forced into retreat. Bumblebee regains his voice temporarily, wishing to stay and protect Sam. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}} With no one left to lead the Decepticons, Starscream flies off into space back to the ''Nemesis'' crash site to regroup with The Fallen. Optimus Prime later hands over the fragment of the AllSpark he collected from Megatron's corpse to the US military for safekeeping where it'll get stored in the [[Diego Garcia]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}} With the AllSpark destroyed and all hope for the revival of Cybertron lost, the Autobots are granted asylum on Earth. Now calling Earth home, Optimus Prime sends a message into space to invite any other Autobots taking refuge among the stars, to their new home. The US Government disbands Sector Seven and covers up the battle in Mission City. The dead Decepticons are dropped into the [[Laurentian Abyss]] and are kept under the watchful eye of a full-time US Navy deployment. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

[[File:Movie2007 USS Shoup dumpingMegs.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Exclusive footage of America burying the body of the world's greatest terrorist.]]
Presumably in late 2007, a classified strike team made up of Autobots and the US Military called [[NEST]] would eventually be assigned by the US Government to track down any other remaining Decepticon activity and put an end to their meddling. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===2007 to 2009===
[[File:Shockwave-ROTFnewspaper.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.8]]
Within the years that followed a small group of Autobots, after receiving Prime's message, gather together aboard the [[Wreckers]]' ship, ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]''. When they arrive on Earth, the Wreckers are considered too violent to be allowed to join Optimus Prime and the NEST Team, so they are kept in charge of working on the ''Xantium'' under NASA's watch.<ref>It is revealed in the events of ''Dark of the Moon'' that the ''Xantium'' brought the second wave of Autobots to Earth.</ref> {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}} {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

More Decepticons make their way to Earth under new orders from The Fallen and Starscream, in search of the Star Harvester and the Matrix that were left behind thousands of years ago. At this point Shockwave is discovered for the third time. A newspaper article is written up, but it's uncertain if anyone believed this article to be true or not as Transformers still haven't been made public knowledge.<ref>A very brief screen-capture during Devastator attacking the twins in Egypt during ''Revenge of the Fallen'' reveals that Shockwave's presence had been recorded in a newspaper.</ref> Soundwave continues his close watchful eye over Earth's atmosphere, reporting anything he deems worthy of note.

During this point, Sam finishes high school and gets ready to start college in 2009.
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===2009===
[[File:ROTF Sam Cube fragment.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|"...Hi, yeah, I would like to make a complaint about a sharp metallic object I found in my cornflakes..."]]
Word reaches NEST of a sighting of the Decepticon fugitive, Demolishor, hiding out in [[Shanghai]]. A strike team is able to successfully destroy both him and his companion [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]. However, the massive amounts of collateral damage and the fact that both targets escaped quarantine offends NEST's government liaison, the officious bureaucrat [[Theodore Galloway]]. Simultaneously, Sam Witwicky discovers a second surviving sliver of the AllSpark embedded in his old clothes, and upon touching it, the knowledge of the cube floods into his mind, giving him visions of Cybertronian symbols. The sliver also brings to life the [[Appliancebot]]s, which are quickly destroyed by Bumblebee. Sam entrusts the sliver to Mikaela before departing for college, making her a target for [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]], but she is able to overpower and capture the little scrap drone, eventually convincing him to switch sides to the Autobots.

[[File:ROTF Optimus death.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Heartburn. Am I right?]]
Soundwave dispatches [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] to recover the AllSpark fragment from Diego Garcia, after which [[Scalpel (ROTF)|Scalpel]] and the Constructicons put it to use restoring Megatron to life. Knowing that the knowledge of the AllSpark—including the location of the Matrix and the harvester—has entered Sam's mind, The Fallen directs Megatron to abduct the boy, leading to a ferocious forest battle that climaxes with the death of Optimus Prime at Megatron's hands. With the last Prime's death, The Fallen believes his victory assured, and addresses Earth with the demand that Sam be handed over, forcing the youth to go on the run with Mikaela, his roommate [[Leo Spitz]], Bumblebee and the Twins.

[[File:TheFallen-ROTFfacegotten.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Well, I've got your ''face''! Nya-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh!]]
Leo is able to lead the group to Seymour Simmons, who shares with them various purloined Sector Seven documents that Wheelie explains pinpoint the locations of the long-abandoned Seekers on Earth. The four humans break into the Smithsonian and locate Jetfire, reviving him with the second AllSpark fragment. Jetfire teleports them to Egypt and explains the story of the Primes, The Fallen, the Matrix and the harvester, giving them the knowledge necessary to locate the Tomb of the Primes. While NEST and the Decepticons gather at the great pyramid of Giza, which [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] tears open to reveal the harvester, Sam recovers the Matrix, only for it to disintegrate into dust at his touch. Undeterred, he heads into the battle erupting in Giza, but a blast from Megatron kills him, leading his soul to commune with the Dynasty of Primes in the afterlife. They return him to life, in the process transferring the AllSpark knowledge from his mind into the Matrix, reconstructing it. Sam successfully uses it to bring Optimus back to life, but The Fallen claims the Matrix immediately thereafter and activates the harvester. An injured Jetfire sacrifices his own life so that Optimus can bond with his parts, which gives the Autobot leader the necessary power to destroy both The Fallen and the harvester. As a consequence of The Fallen's attack on Earth, the existence of Transformers becomes public knowledge. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

Megatron, badly injured and humiliated in his final encounter with Prime, goes into hiding in [[Africa|Nambia, Africa]] in a small camp with the other remaining Decepticons, finally adopting an Earth form and caring for [[Hatchling]]s, while tending to his wounds. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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===2009 to 2012===
[[File:DOTM cons in namibia.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.75]]
While being awarded a medal for his heroism by President [[Barack Obama]] at the [[White House]], Sam Witwicky has a brief encounter with [[Carly Spencer]], an administrative assistant from the British Embassy. Either before or after this, Mikaela breaks up with him for reasons unknown; Wheelie stays with Sam. Seymour Simmons writes [[Code-Name Hero: How Seymour Simmons & the Aliens Saved the World|a book]] about his experiences, which soon makes him fabulously wealthy. Epps retires from active duty and takes a consulting job, working with NASA and the Wreckers. National Security Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] is appointed the new director of NEST in place of Galloway, and quickly brings firm order to the organization, revoking Bumblebee's permission to live with Sam and arranging for the establishment of a network of [[Energon detector]]s around the globe to warn of any Decepticon threats. The Diego Garcia NEST base is decommissioned, and the group moves its headquarters to its new [[Washington, D.C.]] base, under the alias "Department of Human Health and Services."

While Decepticon high command remains hidden in Nambia, the vast majority of the villains' forces gather in seclusion on Earth's moon in preparation for Megatron's final plan. With this drastic reduction in Decepticon activity on Earth, NEST begins helping to resolve human disputes, though not always with government sanction. Carly gets a new job working for [[Dylan Gould]]. After Sam graduates college, he and Carly move to Washington D.C., with Wheelie and Brains in tow.<ref>No date for the events of ''Dark of the Moon'' is provided in the film. Given that Sam has recently graduated college by the time of the film, this would place it at least three years after ''Revenge of the Fallen''; the [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)|''Dark of the Moon'' video game]], while not workable in this timeline (as most video games tend not to be), employs a three year gap, while the novelization of the film puts the movies "several years" apart, which sure sounds like "more than two" to us. The junior novelization, meanwhile, implicitly sets ''Dark of the Moon'' in 2013, by noting that the ''Xantium'', which landed on Earth in late 2008 per ''Tales of the Fallen'', arrived "five years ago".</ref> Sam applies to work with NEST, but is turned down by Mearing, and spends three months struggling to both find a job, and to deal with his sudden lack of importance. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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===2013===
[[File:DOTM optimus recovers sentinel.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75]]
Exploiting Sam's lack of importance, and seeking to use Sam as a mole through his connection to the Autobots, Dylan Gould begins an attempt at currying his favour by arranging a job for him at Accuretta Systems.

Requiring the Autobots to learn of the Ark's resting place, Megatron has Soundwave call upon [[Alexi Voskhod]] to request NEST's investigation into some "alien activity" in the ruins of Chernobyl. There, as planned, the Autobots discover the fuel cell from the Ark, which leads them to the craft on the moon. Shockwave makes an appearance in Chernobyl to stray any suspicions the Autobots may have had. Optimus and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] recover Sentinel Prime's body from the Ark's wreckage, as well as five of his Pillars. Optimus Prime uses the Matrix of Leadership to restore his mentor to life, just as Megatron intended.

[[File:DOTMCybertrontransit.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.75|Sentinel Prime's attempt to find the Honeycomb Hideout went sadly awry.]]
Another of Soundwave's pawns, Sam's Accuretta co-worker [[Jerry Wang]], manages to alert Sam to the Decepticon's plans, but is himself executed by [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]]. With the help of Wheelie, Brains and Seymour Simmons, Sam tracks down the cosmonauts from the cancelled Russian mission and learns of the hundreds of space bridge pillars the Decepticons removed from the ship. Believing that the Decepticons will come for Sentinel because they require him to activate the space bridge, Sam alerts the Autobots, only for Sentinel to reveal his ancient betrayal, killing Ironhide in the process. Joining with Megatron, Sentinel triggers the space bridge, teleporting the Decepticon forces on the moon into the heart of Washington, D.C. to devastate the city. Sentinel addresses the [[United Nations]], demanding the exile of Optimus Prime's Autobots from Earth. Sam learns that Dylan Gould is working for the Decepticons, but with Carly as his prisoner, he is unable to warn the Autobots of the conspiracy. Optimus's team departs aboard the ''Xantium'', but the ship is attacked by Starscream moments after launch and explodes.

[[File:DOTM Autobots NEST victorious.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|"It's all over, okay?. We won the war, there's nothing more to see... at least until summer 2014."]]
With the Autobot threat apparently gone, the Decepticons invade [[Chicago]], enslaving the human populace and setting up space bridge pillars across the world to teleport Cybertron into the Solar System. Sam teams up with Robert Epps and his ex-NEST comrades to enter the city and save Carly from Dylan, but they soon learn they will not be fighting alone when the Autobots return, their seeming deaths a ruse to catch the Decepticons off guard. An apocalyptic battle ensues in the streets and skies of Chicago that culminates in the destruction of the space bridge control pillar, causing the space bridge to collapse in upon itself, ravaging Cybertron and destroying the Decepticon fleet. Optimus and Sentinel battle one-on-one until Megatron, convinced by Carly that Sentinel will take Decepticon leadership from him, intervenes. Megatron wounds Sentinel, but this does not stop Optimus from finally killing Megatron by tearing off his head. Optimus summarily executes the weakened Sentinel and the Autobots know that with Cybertron apparently gone for good, Earth is now their only home. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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===2013 to 2018===
[[File:AOE lockdown and savoy.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.75|"We're back, baby!"]]
Over the next five years, the destruction and political fallout caused by the Battle of Chicago turns a large portion of humanity against the Transformers, and as a result NEST and all other human-Autobot cooperation programs are shut down. During this period [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]], [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]] and [[Drift (AOE)|Drift]] make their way to Earth. Taking advantage of the turn in public opinion, CIA agent [[Harold Attinger]] forms [[Cemetery Wind]] to hunt down all Transformers, regardless of faction, though the public believes he is working with the Autobots to hunt Decepticons. Attinger also conspires with the head of [[Kinetic Solutions Incorporated]], [[Joshua Joyce]], delivering him the remains of all the slain Transformers to break down into Transformium for use in the creation of KSI's own man-made transforming robots. KSI also takes Brains captive, using him to decode information from the severed heads of Megatron and Sentinel Prime to aid in the construction process.

The Creators task the bounty hunter [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]] with capturing Optimus Prime for them. To this end, Lockdown enters into an alliance with Attinger and Joyce, promising them a cyberforming [[Seed]] with which they will be able to create a century's worth of Transformium in return for their help tracking and capturing Optimus. Realizing that they are being hunted by humanity, Optimus orders the Autobots into hiding, and is badly damaged himself in an encounter with Lockdown and Cemetery Wind in [[Mexico City]]. Adopting a new alternate mode as disguise, Optimus flees to [[Texas]] and takes refuge in an abandoned movie theater, where his injuries lead him to [[stasis lock|go offline]]. Bumblebee takes up temporary command over the remaining Autobots on Earth, much to the displeasure of some other Autobots, such as Drift. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}
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===2018===
[[File:AOE-PrimeVsGalvatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|This is for 2009! Have a taste of your own...Wait...Wha?...]]
Eventually, struggling inventor and single father, [[Cade Yeager]] purchases Optimus, intending to gut the "truck" for parts, only to instead reawaken and befriend the Autobot leader. Cemetery Wind tracks Optimus down to Cade's home, but Optimus is able to escape with Cade, his daughter [[Tessa Yeager|Tessa]] and her boyfriend [[Shane Dyson|Shane]], and regroups with Bumblebee, Drift, [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]], and [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]]. Learning of KSI's involvement in their misfortunes, the group launches an attack on the organization's Chicago headquarters. They rescue Brains, but wind up in battle with two of their man-made Transformers, [[Megatron (Movie)|Galvatron]] and [[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]]. During the fight, Lockdown ambushes Optimus and takes him captive. Thinking the deal done, Lockdown gives Attinger and Joyce the promised Seed, but the Autobots are able to rescue Optimus without Lockdown's knowledge.

[[File:AOEOptimusRidingGrimlock.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.75]]
Brains reveals that Galvatron is Megatron reborn, who has been manipulating KSI all along. Galvatron brings the other KSI drones to life as his new Decepticon army, and a titanic battle ensues in the streets of [[Hong Kong]] as the Autobots try to keep the Seed out of the villain's hands. Optimus recruits Lockdown's other rescued captives, the [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobots]], to aid the Autobots in the fight, but during the mayhem, a furious Lockdown returns to recapture the Autobot leader. With the aid of Bumblebee and the Yeager family, Optimus kills Lockdown and Attinger, but Galvatron escapes. Optimus departs Earth with the Seed to confront the Creators, assigning the Autobots to guard Cade and his family in his absence. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}
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===2018 to 2023===
[[File:OptimusPrimeleavesAOE.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|And flying into space alone with no aid of a ship was a good idea because?]]
In the years that follow, most nations of Earth declare Transformers illegal and form the military [[Transformers Reaction Force]] to deal with their threat, forcing the robots to either go into hiding, or relocate to friendlier nations like [[Cuba]]. Since humans aiding Transformers is also considered illegal, former Agent Seymour Simmons moves to the beaches of Cuba too. Cade Yeager continues aiding the Autobots, which causes him to become a fugitive. He, alongside Optimus's Autobot team and the Dinobots hide out in a South Dakota junkyard. Tessa goes off to college and loses contact with her father as he is now a wanted criminal. More and more new Transformers arrive on the planet regularly.

Meanwhile, deducing that her staff lies hidden on Earth, Quintessa takes control of the shattered remains of Cybertron and moves the planet toward Earth's solar system. In advance of her coming, she recruits Galvatron (now going by "Megatron" once again) to locate the staff for her, so she can complete her ancient plan. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

===2023===
[[File:Optimus Frozen.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.5|Yeah, look how well that turned out...]]
Investigating the [[Talisman Knight|newest arrival]], who lands in Chicago, Cade and Bumblebee encounter [[Izabella]] (orphaned in the Battle of Chicago) and her Transformer companion [[Sqweeks]] and rescue them from the TRF. They are unable to save the life of the newly arrived Transformer, but before dying, the robot gives Cade a talisman that marks him as the legendary "last knight." In time, Optimus Prime crosses paths with the approaching Cybertron while on his own space journey, and he too becomes Quintessa's pawn when she takes control of his mind, redubbing him "[[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|Nemesis Prime]]."

[[File:Transformers 5 Unicron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.78]]
Believing the talisman will lead him to the staff, Megatron allies with the TRF to expediently hunt Cade down, but with the aid of Edmund Burton and Cogman, Cade is able to elude their pursuit. Together with Bumblebee and Merlin's last living descendant [[Viviane Wembly]], Cade locates the knights' ship at the bottom of the ocean and retrieves the staff, only for the mind-controlled Optimus Prime to arrive and attempt to take it for his own. Bumblebee is able to break Quintessa's control over Prime, but Megatron then steals the staff and delivers it to his mistress just as Cybertron arrives at Earth. The knights reawaken and attack Optimus for his perceived betrayal, but Cade saves him when his talisman activates and becomes a sword. Recognizing Cade as the last knight, the knights join forces with the Autobots.

Quintessa begins draining Unicron's lifeforce via [[Stonehenge]], but together, the united Autobots, knights, and TRF storm her [[ignition chamber|base]], where Viviane is able to use her genetic link to Merlin to deactivate the staff and stop the drain. After the battle, Earth and Cybertron are left physically intertwined and the Autobots make their way back to their home planet. Quintessa, once again deceiving her enemies, fakes her death and adopts a human form, beginning a new plot to kill Unicron. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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==Alternate timelines==
*[[Movie expanded universe timeline]]—The secondary chronology of the movie universe that also includes the "expanded universe" of interlocking novels, comic books and other media.
*[[Sector Seven ARG timeline]]—Detailing the history of the "alternate reality" that presents Transformers as real beings, and the fiction associated with them a cover story propagated by Sector Seven.
*[[Titan Magazines movie timeline]]—Covering the UK take on the live-action movie universe, which diverges following the events of the first film. Also includes a timeline of the parallel universe where the events of the movie turned out differently.

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Chronologies]]
[[Category:Live-action film series history]]

Movie timeline

2023-06-13T15:44:13Z

Jman98:

[[File:TF2007 optimus vs megatron.jpg|upright=2.5|thumb|After a while, the "is ''Bumblebee'' a reboot" debate got out of hand...]]

The [[Live-action film series|''Transformers'' live-action film series]] has what could charitably be described as an uneven continuity at best, with each new film in the series only barely acknowledging the history established by the previous ones. This '''timeline of the movie universe''' includes only information from the films themselves, meaning that there are many vague, overlapping, seemingly-contradictory elements at play.

A vast array of tie-in media was published in conjunction with the release of the first three films in the series, many of which help to expand, explain, and contextualize confusing aspects of the films themselves. However, following that trilogy of films, such tie-ins generally ceased production, and plot elements introduced in ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'' and ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'' have rendered much of the information they contained impossible to reconcile with the history as presented in the movies themselves. For a timeline of this "expanded universe," see [[#Alternate timelines|Alternate timelines]] below.

{{bigquote |We were once a peaceful race of intelligent mechanical beings. But then came the war... between the [[Autobot]]s who fought for freedom, and the [[Decepticon]]s who dreamt of tyranny.|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]|''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]}}

{{note|This timeline currently ignores the events of ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]'' as it does not fit in with the historical events given in ''The Last Knight''. Readers can expect to see this change as more information is given in future movies.}}

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==Prehistory==
===The Very Beginning===
[[File:Allspark movie.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
Before time began, the [[AllSpark]] is created from unknown origins. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

Under unrevealed circumstances, the planet [[Earth]] forms around the entity known as [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

[[File:ExtinctionOfTheDinosaurus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|It was "definitely" an asteroid]]
65 million years ago, a race of mysterious bio-mechanical beings known only as the [[Creator]]s uses "[[seed]]s" to [[cyberforming|cyberform]] many organic planets, converting their matter into a shapeshifting metal that would come to be known as [[living metal|Transformium]]. Prehistoric Earth is among the planets sown with the metal; the cyberforming of the planet triggers the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event, wiping out the planet's native [[dinosaur (dinosaur)|dinosaurs]]. The creators harvest the metal and take it to the planet that would become [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they use it to create a robotic race known as "Transformers," who they intend to be explorers. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}} The sorceress [[Quintessa (TLK)|Quintessa]] will later purport to have been involved in the robots' creation, but her truthfulness remains in question. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

Subsequent events are unclear. The creators somehow lose control of the Transformers, and most modern Cybertronians appear to have no knowledge of the aliens, instead deifying the AllSpark and crediting it as the creator of their race. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}} Seven [[Dynasty of Primes|Primes]] rise to become the leaders of the Transformer race, and set out across the universe as explorers searching for energy to harvest to keep their race from dying. The Primes construct [[Star Harvester]]s on distant worlds to drain the energy from suns to create [[Energon]]. The Primes set out with one rule: “never destroy a planet with life.” The Primes use the legendary [[Matrix of Leadership]] as a key to power these harvesters. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

Also in existence around this time is a pantheon of great Cybertronian knights, many of whom [[Dinobot (AOE)|owe their forms]] to the dinosaurs of Earth, while [[Guardian Knight|several others]] are blessed with the ability to combine into [[Dragonstorm|a single three-headed dragon]]. These knights, either knowingly or unknowingly, fulfil the mandate of their creators and set out exploring the universe. Among their number is a direct descendant of the Primes known as [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}} {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

===17,000 BC===
[[File:ROTF-Solarharvester.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]
Circa 17,000 BC, the seven Primes and their followers arrive on Earth, intending to harvest the planet's sun. Upon discovering that Earth is inhabited by the [[human]] race, they cease their plans, but [[The Fallen|one of their number]], disgusted by humans, rebels and seeks to take the power of the sun for himself. For this betrayal, the treacherous Prime and those loyal to him become the first [[Decepticon]]s. War breaks out between these "Decepticons" and the other six Primes and their followers—known as the "[[Autobot]]s"—over possession of the Matrix. The evil Prime loses the battle and has the Matrix stolen from him by his [[Relatives|six brother]] Primes. Those Primes then create a [[Tomb of the Primes|tomb out of their own bodies]] to hide the Matrix from their brother, who, for his betrayal, had his name stricken from history, and was branded only 'The Fallen'.

The earliest [[human]] civilizations on Earth build their monuments over remains of Transformer activity on the planet. Around 2560 BC, construction of the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]] around the Star Harvester is completed, then later, in 1200 BC, the Tomb of the Primes is hidden beneath El Deir in [[Petra]]. A riddle is crafted to mark the tomb's location: "When dawn alights the dagger's tip, three kings will reveal the doorway." [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]] sent by The Fallen to hunt for the Matrix learn of the riddle, but fail in their search for the tomb and The Fallen abandons them, leaving them to [[Death#Energy depletion|run out of Energon and eventually die]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===In an unspecified era===
[[File:DOTM-Ark-Cybertron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8]]

Ages pass, and the Transformer civil war evolves. On [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the Autobots and Decepticons battle for control of the life-giving AllSpark; the Autobots are led by [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]], while The Fallen retreats to the shadows, his existence unknown to modern Autobots, leaving the Decepticons to be led by his apprentice, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}} {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}} {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}} As the war rages on, the rise in casualties and the devastation of Cybertron becomes too great for Sentinel Prime to bear. Knowing that his fellow Autobots will not tolerate the drastic action necessary to save their world, Sentinel strikes a secret deal with Megatron to harvest the resources of Earth to repair their dying world. Sentinel Prime invents hundreds of [[Pillar]]s to create a spacebridge big enough to transport Cybertron to Earth for the repairs, lying to the Autobots and telling them they are a means to transport troops and supplies for the war effort. Sentinel Prime boards the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' with the Pillars, intending to leave Cybertron and rendezvous with Megatron on Earth to set up the spacebridge, but the ''Ark'' is shot down by Decepticons unaware of the two leaders' secret deal. The ''Ark'' is left floating through space, believed destroyed. This results in the young knight, Optimus—Sentinel Prime's pupil and Megatron's oldest friend before he turned to evil, to whom he was considered a brother—taking leadership over the Autobots, becoming Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

The AllSpark is eventually lost to the far reaches of space, due to unspecified circumstances and Cybertron eventually dies from the extensive damages. This causes both the Autobots and the Decepticons to leave Cybertron searching for it. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

===10,000 BC onwards===
The AllSpark crash lands on Earth in 10,000 BC.

At some point, the Decepticon vessel ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'' crashes on an [[Nemesis (ROTF)#Crash Site Location|unidentified celestial body]] with The Fallen aboard.

Around 1,000 BC, Megatron discovers the AllSpark's location on Earth and ventures to the planet alone. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}} {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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==5th Century==
[[File:TLK KingArthur knights.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Dungeons & Dragons - Transformers edition.]]
Quintessa seeks to restore the damage done to Cybertron by the war and the loss of the AllSpark by draining the life force of Unicron/Earth. Realizing that she is not as beneficent as they had believed, her twelve [[Guardian Knight]]s steal the [[Staff of Merlin|control staff]] required to carry out the procedure, and go into hiding on Earth. In time, during the Dark Ages, they are discovered by the human "wizard" [[Merlin]], who promises to keep their existence a secret. In [[484]] AD, however, Merlin calls upon the knights' aid to help the forces of [[King Arthur]] defeat the [[Saxon]] hordes. The knights agree, and bestow ownership of the staff upon Merlin, coding it to his DNA.

When Merlin passes away, the knights entomb his body, with the staff still in hand, in their ship, which they relocate to the bottom of the ocean, standing guard over it in stasis. Knowing that someday, Quintessa will come for her staff, and that that day will be marked by the emergence of a thirteenth and last knight, the [[Order of the Witwiccans]] is founded to watch over Merlin's descendants. Over the following centuries, more and more Transformers will arrive on Earth and interact with humanity, but their presence is covered up by the Witwiccans. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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==16th Century==
[[File:TLK-history-Machine-Man.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85]]
In an unknown point in the 1500s, [[Leonardo da Vinci]] meets a "[[Da Vinci Bot|Machine Man]]", inspiring many of his inventions and sketches.<ref>The sketch of the "da Vinci Bot" uses several key elements from da Vinci's real-world sketches. It is highly likely that this individual is meant to serve as the inspiration to these sketches in-universe.</ref> He would later join the Order of the Witwiccans.

Around the 1560s, [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] makes his first recorded appearance. Both events were covered up by the Witwiccans. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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==18th Century==
In the 1700s, [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] allied himself with General [[George Washington]] during the {{w|American Revolutionary War}}. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

==19th Century==
[[File:TLK-history-Megatron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.85]]
In the early 1800s, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] had made their way to Earth and participated in the {{w|Napoleonic Wars}}. Ironhide would be recorded participating in the {{w|Battle of Trafalgar}} in [[1805]], while Optimus Prime was recorded battling during the {{w|Battle of Waterloo}} in [[1815]]. Both of these events were covered up by the Order of the Witwiccans.

In the 1860s, [[Drift (AOE)|Drift]] and [[Samurai Transformer|another 'bot]] had been residing in [[Japan]]. There, the pair joined a group of samurai and presumably learnt their ancient traditions.

In [[1883]], Megatron was present during the {{w|1883 eruption of Krakatoa|eruption of Krakatoa}}, but his presence was covered up by the Order of the Witwiccans. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}} At some point after this, he found his way to the [[Arctic]], where he would crash and becoming frozen beneath the ice. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

[[File:Movie2007 Megatron ArchibaldWitwicky.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right]]
In the year [[1897]], [[Archibald Witwicky|Captain Archibald Witwicky]] of the [[National Arctic Circle Expedition]] discovers Megatron when the Arctic ice gives way under his feet and he tumbles into the cavern that holds the Decepticon's frozen form.<ref>A document briefly seen while Frenzy hacks [[Air Force One]] in the film itself dates Witwicky's discovery of Megatron to September 7th, 1895, but is contradicted in dialogue by Sam, who dates his great-grandfather's voyage to 1897 during his class presentation. All tie-in media has supported Sam's version of events!</ref> Witwicky's inadvertent entry into the cave triggers Megatron's navigation system, causing the release of a beam of light that imprints the AllSpark's co-ordinates onto Witwicky's spectacles. Witwicky is rescued by his crew, and eventually seems to slip into insanity, only seeing and drawing Cybertronian hieroglyphs. He is locked up in a mental institution and the full extent of the beam eventually renders him completely blind. Megatron's discovery would be kept classified for some years under the US government as Project: Iceman. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}
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==20th Century==
===1900s===
[[File:TLK-Witwiccans-1901.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
In [[1901]], [[Hot Rod (DOTM)|Hot Rod]] is recorded in a photograph as a member of the Order of the Witwiccans. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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===1910s===
[[File:TLK-Starscream-WWI.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Around the early 1910s, many more Autobots and Decepticons would find their way to Earth and would participate in [[World War I]]. Aiding the British and US military forces were the Autobots, Ironhide and [[Bulldog (TLK)|Bulldog]], while the Decepticons, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] aided the [[Germany|German]]s. Their participation in the war would be covered up by the Order of the Witwiccans.

[[File:Bulldog archived photo.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2]]
Following the war, Ironhide presumably leaves Earth,<ref>Given his arrival in 2007 and the fact that he doesn't appear in anymore historical Witwiccan records, it's reasonable to assume he left at this point.</ref> while Bulldog stays behind, eventually retiring at [[Castle Folgan]] with a sad case of “robot dementia”. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

In [[1913]], almost 12,000 years after the AllSpark's estimated crash, it is discovered by [[Sector Seven|The First Seven]]. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}
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===1920s===
The discovery of the AllSpark leads to the formation of Sector Seven in [[1927]], under the US government. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}
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===1930s===
[[File:Movie All Spark Hoover Dam.JPG|thumb|upright=1.4|The most puzzling Rubik's cube to date.]]
In order to prevent alien forces from discovering the AllSpark, [[Herbert Hoover|President Herbert Hoover]] believed it would be best to hide it. So in [[1931]] the construction of [[Hoover Dam]] around the AllSpark's location begins. The walls of the dam are made extra thick with concrete to stop any energy signatures from being detected from the outside. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

[[File:Movie-Megatronfrozen.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|I WAS FROZEN TODAY!]]
In [[1932]], archaeologists find strange symbols in ancient ruins all across the globe, specifically Egypt. These symbols are later discovered in 2009 to be the [[Cyberglyphics|Language of the Primes]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

At some point, Sector Seven transports Megatron/N.B.E.-01's body to Hoover Dam, and they continue to keep him frozen there from [[1935]]. At some unknown point after this, scientific breakthroughs are made while studying N.B.E.-01, which begins the technological advancement of the modern age. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

In an unspecified time frame, Sector Seven discovers strange energy readings from various vehicles and forms of technology all across the globe. These readings don't appear to prove any essence of life hiding within them, so [[Project Black Knife|Project: Black Knife]] ceases operation and Sector Seven switches its focus onto other classified research. These energy readings were actually from the ancient Seekers that The Fallen abandoned in his search for the Matrix. [[Seymour Simmons|Agent Seymour Simmons]] would eventually beg Sector Seven in later years to continue their research into Project: Black Knife, but his superiors would believe him to be obsessed and ignore his wishes.<ref>It is never specified when said research began or ceased so this can be placed anywhere on the timeline. It was chosen to be placed here, as Sector Seven is currently in operation and actively searching for more evidence of alien activity around this time.</ref> {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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===1940s===
[[File:TLKWW2Flashback.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4]]
During [[World War II]], many Autobots join in the battle alongside the Allies. Hound joins the United States Medical Services Corps, while [[Lieutenant]] and the [[HMS Alliance]] join the {{w|British Armed Forces}} and {{w|Royal Navy}}, respectively.<ref>Based on Lieutenant's accent as well as his and the HMS Alliance's alternate forms, ''and'' the pair being in England, it's pretty safe to assume they were in the British Army.</ref> Around this time, [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] (also known as "ZB-7"), makes his first historical appearance on Earth. He joins Witwiccan member Hot Rod in fighting alongside the Allies in the {{w|First Special Service Force|Devil’s Brigade}}, and befriends a young Sir [[Edmund Burton]]. In [[April 30]], [[1945]] [[Adolf Hitler]] dies at the hands of [[Watch that killed Hitler|his own watch]]. After World War II is over, Bumblebee parts ways with Burton and Hot Rod, continuing his search for the AllSpark and forgetting entirely his participation in the war. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}} {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}
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===1960s===
[[File:Dotm-Arkreflection.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|"...then we'll ''really'' have to land on the moon! Invent NASA and tell them to get off their fannies!"]]
Around mid-[[1961]], the ''Ark'', which had been lost to time and space, finally meets its fate. As it makes impact on [[Moon (moon)|Earth's moon]], it is discovered via satellite in [[New Mexico]], thus sparking the space race of the 1960s. In April [[1963]] the [[Soviet Union|USSR]] sends the Luna 4 probe to the moon to take pictures, discovering drag marks on the surface and strange looking rocks. These rocks are actually hundreds of Pillars being taken from the ''Ark'' by the Decepticons after they too had discovered its location. The USSR sends another unmanned probe to the moon and it returns with the Ark's fuel cell. [[July 16]], [[1969]], [[Apollo 11]] departs from Earth and makes its first landing on the moon's surface four days later on [[July 20]]. [[Neil Armstrong]] and [[Buzz Aldrin]] successfully step foot on the ''Ark'' and begin their top secret investigation. A strategic twenty-one-minute blackout is staged by Sector Seven at [[NASA]] command to keep the true purpose of the moon landing a secret. A second American manned moon landing is carried out in November [[1969]], to continue excavation and research of the remains of the ''Ark''. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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===1970s===
From [[1970]] to [[1972]], the United States stages three further manned missions to the moon to continue plundering the ''Ark''. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] scout for viable agents within the American space program, and make contact with a NASA accountant named [[Gould]]. By tapping the stock market to provide Gould with all the money he desires, Soundwave procures his services to manipulate the NASA budget and make further moon missions financially unfeasible. Consequently, the sixth and final mission launches in December 1972. Also in 1972, Soundwave employs Soviet agents to ensure that the first Russian manned mission is cancelled. Soundwave spends the remainder of the decade manipulating his pawns, and "recruiting" more and more human agents in various areas of the American and Soviet government to ensure the ''Ark'' is never re-discovered. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

===1980s===
[[File:DOTM Ark.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.3]]
[[April 20]], [[1986]], after years of tests in [[Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant|Chernobyl]], the fuel cell extracted from the ''Ark'' finally blows up, causing the {{w|Chernobyl disaster}}. It was covered up as a nuclear malfunction. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

===1990s===
"Alien bad news magnet," [[Sam Witwicky]] is born to [[Ron Witwicky|Ronald]] and [[Judy Witwicky]].<ref>Hasbro's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/cybertronian-database.cfm#/timeline/sam_witwicky%27s_birth Vector Sigma timeline] states Sam was born [[October 10]], [[1990]]. However, Sam's driving license in ''Revenge of the Fallen'' reads [[September 13]] [[1991]]. Presumably, Sam's date of birth was adjusted so he would be 18 when he enrolled at college in 2009.</ref>
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==21st Century==
===2003===
[[File:Mars - tf2007 teaser image.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67]]
[[December 25]], [[2003]], the [[Beagle 2 Rover]] transmits 13 seconds of footage revealing alien activity on Mars. The event is classified top secret under Sector Seven order and the mission is classed as a total failure as reports are made of the rover going missing.
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===2007===
[[File:Movie Sam Mikaela meettheAutobots.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
In [[2007]], [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] makes his way to Afghanistan, where he shoots down a military helicopter and takes its form. Three months after this, he stages an attack on the [[SOCCENT Forward Operations Base]] in [[Qatar]] in an attempt to gain more information on Sector Seven and Project: Iceman. Where he fails, [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] succeeds, hacking into [[Air Force One]] and learning of the Witwicky family and Archibald's glasses. To protect Sam from the Decepticons closing in around him, Bumblebee positions himself in a [[Bolivia's Finest Quality Used Cars and Petting Zoo|used car lot]] to ensure that he will be purchased as the boy's first car. After summoning Optimus Prime's team to Earth, he is forced to reveal himself to Sam and [[Mikaela Banes|Mikaela]] to protect them from [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], following which Sam agrees to help the Autobots in their quest. A clash with Sector Seven ensues, which results in Bumblebee, Sam and Mikaela being taken to their Hoover Dam base as captives. The Autobots then use Archibald Witwicky's glasses to track the AllSpark and their captive friends to Hoover Dam. Unfortunately, in the process, they inadvertently lead the way for [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream's]] Decepticons, who attack the base and bring Megatron back online. A truce is orchestrated between the Autobots and Sector Seven with help from soldiers [[William Lennox]] and [[Robert Epps]], and they ally to battle their common foes.

[[File:Megatron allspark merge.JPG|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Heartburn. Just another thing humans have to [[Humanization|force us into]] for their entertainment.]]
Events culminate in a colossal battle over the AllSpark in [[Mission City]], which ends when Sam plunges the cube into Megatron's chest, killing him and leaving only a small fragment of the cube behind. With the majority of the Decepticons destroyed or otherwise routed in the battle, Starscream and Barricade are forced into retreat. Bumblebee regains his voice temporarily, wishing to stay and protect Sam. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}} With no one left to lead the Decepticons, Starscream flies off into space back to the ''Nemesis'' crash site to regroup with The Fallen. Optimus Prime later hands over the fragment of the AllSpark he collected from Megatron's corpse to the US military for safekeeping where it'll get stored in the [[Diego Garcia]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}} With the AllSpark destroyed and all hope for the revival of Cybertron lost, the Autobots are granted asylum on Earth. Now calling Earth home, Optimus Prime sends a message into space to invite any other Autobots taking refuge among the stars, to their new home. The US Government disbands Sector Seven and covers up the battle in Mission City. The dead Decepticons are dropped into the [[Laurentian Abyss]] and are kept under the watchful eye of a full-time US Navy deployment. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

[[File:Movie2007 USS Shoup dumpingMegs.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Exclusive footage of America burying the body of the world's greatest terrorist.]]
Presumably in late 2007, a classified strike team made up of Autobots and the US Military called [[NEST]] would eventually be assigned by the US Government to track down any other remaining Decepticon activity and put an end to their meddling. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===2007 to 2009===
[[File:Shockwave-ROTFnewspaper.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.8]]
Within the years that followed a small group of Autobots, after receiving Prime's message, gather together aboard the [[Wreckers]]' ship, ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]''. When they arrive on Earth, the Wreckers are considered too violent to be allowed to join Optimus Prime and the NEST Team, so they are kept in charge of working on the ''Xantium'' under NASA's watch.<ref>It is revealed in the events of ''Dark of the Moon'' that the ''Xantium'' brought the second wave of Autobots to Earth.</ref> {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}} {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

More Decepticons make their way to Earth under new orders from The Fallen and Starscream, in search of the Star Harvester and the Matrix that were left behind thousands of years ago. At this point Shockwave is discovered for the third time. A newspaper article is written up, but it's uncertain if anyone believed this article to be true or not as Transformers still haven't been made public knowledge.<ref>A very brief screen-capture during Devastator attacking the twins in Egypt during ''Revenge of the Fallen'' reveals that Shockwave's presence had been recorded in a newspaper.</ref> Soundwave continues his close watchful eye over Earth's atmosphere, reporting anything he deems worthy of note.

During this point, Sam finishes high school and gets ready to start college in 2009.
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===2009===
[[File:ROTF Sam Cube fragment.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|"...Hi, yeah, I would like to make a complaint about a sharp metallic object I found in my cornflakes..."]]
Word reaches NEST of a sighting of the Decepticon fugitive, Demolishor, hiding out in [[Shanghai]]. A strike team is able to successfully destroy both him and his companion [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]. However, the massive amounts of collateral damage and the fact that both targets escaped quarantine offends NEST's government liaison, the officious bureaucrat [[Theodore Galloway]]. Simultaneously, Sam Witwicky discovers a second surviving sliver of the AllSpark embedded in his old clothes, and upon touching it, the knowledge of the cube floods into his mind, giving him visions of Cybertronian symbols. The sliver also brings to life the [[Appliancebot]]s, which are quickly destroyed by Bumblebee. Sam entrusts the sliver to Mikaela before departing for college, making her a target for [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]], but she is able to overpower and capture the little scrap drone, eventually convincing him to switch sides to the Autobots.

[[File:ROTF Optimus death.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Heartburn. Am I right?]]
Soundwave dispatches [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] to recover the AllSpark fragment from Diego Garcia, after which [[Scalpel (ROTF)|Scalpel]] and the Constructicons put it to use restoring Megatron to life. Knowing that the knowledge of the AllSpark—including the location of the Matrix and the harvester—has entered Sam's mind, The Fallen directs Megatron to abduct the boy, leading to a ferocious forest battle that climaxes with the death of Optimus Prime at Megatron's hands. With the last Prime's death, The Fallen believes his victory assured, and addresses Earth with the demand that Sam be handed over, forcing the youth to go on the run with Mikaela, his roommate [[Leo Spitz]], Bumblebee and the Twins.

[[File:TheFallen-ROTFfacegotten.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Well, I've got your ''face''! Nya-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh!]]
Leo is able to lead the group to Seymour Simmons, who shares with them various purloined Sector Seven documents that Wheelie explains pinpoint the locations of the long-abandoned Seekers on Earth. The four humans break into the Smithsonian and locate Jetfire, reviving him with the second AllSpark fragment. Jetfire teleports them to Egypt and explains the story of the Primes, The Fallen, the Matrix and the harvester, giving them the knowledge necessary to locate the Tomb of the Primes. While NEST and the Decepticons gather at the great pyramid of Giza, which [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] tears open to reveal the harvester, Sam recovers the Matrix, only for it to disintegrate into dust at his touch. Undeterred, he heads into the battle erupting in Giza, but a blast from Megatron kills him, leading his soul to commune with the Dynasty of Primes in the afterlife. They return him to life, in the process transferring the AllSpark knowledge from his mind into the Matrix, reconstructing it. Sam successfully uses it to bring Optimus back to life, but The Fallen claims the Matrix immediately thereafter and activates the harvester. An injured Jetfire sacrifices his own life so that Optimus can bond with his parts, which gives the Autobot leader the necessary power to destroy both The Fallen and the harvester. As a consequence of The Fallen's attack on Earth, the existence of Transformers becomes public knowledge. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

Megatron, badly injured and humiliated in his final encounter with Prime, goes into hiding in [[Africa|Nambia, Africa]] in a small camp with the other remaining Decepticons, finally adopting an Earth form and caring for [[Hatchling]]s, while tending to his wounds. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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===2009 to 2012===
[[File:DOTM cons in namibia.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.75]]
While being awarded a medal for his heroism by President [[Barack Obama]] at the [[White House]], Sam Witwicky has a brief encounter with [[Carly Spencer]], an administrative assistant from the British Embassy. Either before or after this, Mikaela breaks up with him for reasons unknown; Wheelie stays with Sam. Seymour Simmons writes [[Code-Name Hero: How Seymour Simmons & the Aliens Saved the World|a book]] about his experiences, which soon makes him fabulously wealthy. Epps retires from active duty and takes a consulting job, working with NASA and the Wreckers. National Security Director [[Charlotte Mearing]] is appointed the new director of NEST in place of Galloway, and quickly brings firm order to the organization, revoking Bumblebee's permission to live with Sam and arranging for the establishment of a network of [[Energon detector]]s around the globe to warn of any Decepticon threats. The Diego Garcia NEST base is decommissioned, and the group moves its headquarters to its new [[Washington, D.C.]] base, under the alias "Department of Human Health and Services."

While Decepticon high command remains hidden in Nambia, the vast majority of the villains' forces gather in seclusion on Earth's moon in preparation for Megatron's final plan. With this drastic reduction in Decepticon activity on Earth, NEST begins helping to resolve human disputes, though not always with government sanction. Carly gets a new job working for [[Dylan Gould]]. After Sam graduates college, he and Carly move to Washington D.C., with Wheelie and Brains in tow.<ref>No date for the events of ''Dark of the Moon'' is provided in the film. Given that Sam has recently graduated college by the time of the film, this would place it at least three years after ''Revenge of the Fallen''; the [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)|''Dark of the Moon'' video game]], while not workable in this timeline (as most video games tend not to be), employs a three year gap, while the novelization of the film puts the movies "several years" apart, which sure sounds like "more than two" to us. The junior novelization, meanwhile, implicitly sets ''Dark of the Moon'' in 2013, by noting that the ''Xantium'', which landed on Earth in late 2008 per ''Tales of the Fallen'', arrived "five years ago".</ref> Sam applies to work with NEST, but is turned down by Mearing, and spends three months struggling to both find a job, and to deal with his sudden lack of importance. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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===2013===
[[File:DOTM optimus recovers sentinel.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75]]
Exploiting Sam's lack of importance, and seeking to use Sam as a mole through his connection to the Autobots, Dylan Gould begins an attempt at currying his favour by arranging a job for him at Accuretta Systems.

Requiring the Autobots to learn of the Ark's resting place, Megatron has Soundwave call upon [[Alexi Voskhod]] to request NEST's investigation into some "alien activity" in the ruins of Chernobyl. There, as planned, the Autobots discover the fuel cell from the Ark, which leads them to the craft on the moon. Shockwave makes an appearance in Chernobyl to stray any suspicions the Autobots may have had. Optimus and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] recover Sentinel Prime's body from the Ark's wreckage, as well as five of his Pillars. Optimus Prime uses the Matrix of Leadership to restore his mentor to life, just as Megatron intended.

[[File:DOTMCybertrontransit.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.75|Sentinel Prime's attempt to find the Honeycomb Hideout went sadly awry.]]
Another of Soundwave's pawns, Sam's Accuretta co-worker [[Jerry Wang]], manages to alert Sam to the Decepticon's plans, but is himself executed by [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]]. With the help of Wheelie, Brains and Seymour Simmons, Sam tracks down the cosmonauts from the cancelled Russian mission and learns of the hundreds of space bridge pillars the Decepticons removed from the ship. Believing that the Decepticons will come for Sentinel because they require him to activate the space bridge, Sam alerts the Autobots, only for Sentinel to reveal his ancient betrayal, killing Ironhide in the process. Joining with Megatron, Sentinel triggers the space bridge, teleporting the Decepticon forces on the moon into the heart of Washington, D.C. to devastate the city. Sentinel addresses the [[United Nations]], demanding the exile of Optimus Prime's Autobots from Earth. Sam learns that Dylan Gould is working for the Decepticons, but with Carly as his prisoner, he is unable to warn the Autobots of the conspiracy. Optimus's team departs aboard the ''Xantium'', but the ship is attacked by Starscream moments after launch and explodes.

[[File:DOTM Autobots NEST victorious.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|"It's all over, okay?. We won the war, there's nothing more to see... at least until summer 2014."]]
With the Autobot threat apparently gone, the Decepticons invade [[Chicago]], enslaving the human populace and setting up space bridge pillars across the world to teleport Cybertron into the Solar System. Sam teams up with Robert Epps and his ex-NEST comrades to enter the city and save Carly from Dylan, but they soon learn they will not be fighting alone when the Autobots return, their seeming deaths a ruse to catch the Decepticons off guard. An apocalyptic battle ensues in the streets and skies of Chicago that culminates in the destruction of the space bridge control pillar, causing the space bridge to collapse in upon itself, ravaging Cybertron and destroying the Decepticon fleet. Optimus and Sentinel battle one-on-one until Megatron, convinced by Carly that Sentinel will take Decepticon leadership from him, intervenes. Megatron wounds Sentinel, but this does not stop Optimus from finally killing Megatron by tearing off his head. Optimus summarily executes the weakened Sentinel and the Autobots know that with Cybertron apparently gone for good, Earth is now their only home. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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===2013 to 2018===
[[File:AOE lockdown and savoy.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.75|"We're back, baby!"]]
Over the next five years, the destruction and political fallout caused by the Battle of Chicago turns a large portion of humanity against the Transformers, and as a result NEST and all other human-Autobot cooperation programs are shut down. During this period [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]], [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]] and [[Drift (AOE)|Drift]] make their way to Earth. Taking advantage of the turn in public opinion, CIA agent [[Harold Attinger]] forms [[Cemetery Wind]] to hunt down all Transformers, regardless of faction, though the public believes he is working with the Autobots to hunt Decepticons. Attinger also conspires with the head of [[Kinetic Solutions Incorporated]], [[Joshua Joyce]], delivering him the remains of all the slain Transformers to break down into Transformium for use in the creation of KSI's own man-made transforming robots. KSI also takes Brains captive, using him to decode information from the severed heads of Megatron and Sentinel Prime to aid in the construction process.

The Creators task the bounty hunter [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]] with capturing Optimus Prime for them. To this end, Lockdown enters into an alliance with Attinger and Joyce, promising them a cyberforming [[Seed]] with which they will be able to create a century's worth of Transformium in return for their help tracking and capturing Optimus. Realizing that they are being hunted by humanity, Optimus orders the Autobots into hiding, and is badly damaged himself in an encounter with Lockdown and Cemetery Wind in [[Mexico City]]. Adopting a new alternate mode as disguise, Optimus flees to [[Texas]] and takes refuge in an abandoned movie theater, where his injuries lead him to [[stasis lock|go offline]]. Bumblebee takes up temporary command over the remaining Autobots on Earth, much to the displeasure of some other Autobots, such as Drift. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}
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===2018===
[[File:AOE-PrimeVsGalvatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|This is for 2009! Have a taste of your own...Wait...Wha?...]]
Eventually, struggling inventor and single father, [[Cade Yeager]] purchases Optimus, intending to gut the "truck" for parts, only to instead reawaken and befriend the Autobot leader. Cemetery Wind tracks Optimus down to Cade's home, but Optimus is able to escape with Cade, his daughter [[Tessa Yeager|Tessa]] and her boyfriend [[Shane Dyson|Shane]], and regroups with Bumblebee, Drift, [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]], and [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]]. Learning of KSI's involvement in their misfortunes, the group launches an attack on the organization's Chicago headquarters. They rescue Brains, but wind up in battle with two of their man-made Transformers, [[Megatron (Movie)|Galvatron]] and [[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]]. During the fight, Lockdown ambushes Optimus and takes him captive. Thinking the deal done, Lockdown gives Attinger and Joyce the promised Seed, but the Autobots are able to rescue Optimus without Lockdown's knowledge.

[[File:AOEOptimusRidingGrimlock.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.75]]
Brains reveals that Galvatron is Megatron reborn, who has been manipulating KSI all along. Galvatron brings the other KSI drones to life as his new Decepticon army, and a titanic battle ensues in the streets of [[Hong Kong]] as the Autobots try to keep the Seed out of the villain's hands. Optimus recruits Lockdown's other rescued captives, the [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobots]], to aid the Autobots in the fight, but during the mayhem, a furious Lockdown returns to recapture the Autobot leader. With the aid of Bumblebee and the Yeager family, Optimus kills Lockdown and Attinger, but Galvatron escapes. Optimus departs Earth with the Seed to confront the Creators, assigning the Autobots to guard Cade and his family in his absence. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}
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===2018 to 2023===
[[File:OptimusPrimeleavesAOE.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|And flying into space alone with no aid of a ship was a good idea because?]]
In the years that follow, most nations of Earth declare Transformers illegal and form the military [[Transformers Reaction Force]] to deal with their threat, forcing the robots to either go into hiding, or relocate to friendlier nations like [[Cuba]]. Since humans aiding Transformers is also considered illegal, former Agent Seymour Simmons moves to the beaches of Cuba too. Cade Yeager continues aiding the Autobots, which causes him to become a fugitive. He, alongside Optimus's Autobot team and the Dinobots hide out in a South Dakota junkyard. Tessa goes off to college and loses contact with her father as he is now a wanted criminal. More and more new Transformers arrive on the planet regularly.

Meanwhile, deducing that her staff lies hidden on Earth, Quintessa takes control of the shattered remains of Cybertron and moves the planet toward Earth's solar system. In advance of her coming, she recruits Galvatron (now going by "Megatron" once again) to locate the staff for her, so she can complete her ancient plan. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

===2023===
[[File:Optimus Frozen.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.5|Yeah, look how well that turned out...]]
Investigating the [[Talisman Knight|newest arrival]], who lands in Chicago, Cade and Bumblebee encounter [[Izabella]] (orphaned in the Battle of Chicago) and her Transformer companion [[Sqweeks]] and rescue them from the TRF. They are unable to save the life of the newly arrived Transformer, but before dying, the robot gives Cade a talisman that marks him as the legendary "last knight." In time, Optimus Prime crosses paths with the approaching Cybertron while on his own space journey, and he too becomes Quintessa's pawn when she takes control of his mind, redubbing him "[[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|Nemesis Prime]]."

[[File:Transformers 5 Unicron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.78]]
Believing the talisman will lead him to the staff, Megatron allies with the TRF to expediently hunt Cade down, but with the aid of Edmund Burton and Cogman, Cade is able to elude their pursuit. Together with Bumblebee and Merlin's last living descendant [[Viviane Wembly]], Cade locates the knights' ship at the bottom of the ocean and retrieves the staff, only for the mind-controlled Optimus Prime to arrive and attempt to take it for his own. Bumblebee is able to break Quintessa's control over Prime, but Megatron then steals the staff and delivers it to his mistress just as Cybertron arrives at Earth. The knights reawaken and attack Optimus for his perceived betrayal, but Cade saves him when his talisman activates and becomes a sword. Recognizing Cade as the last knight, the knights join forces with the Autobots.

Quintessa begins draining Unicron's lifeforce via [[Stonehenge]], but together, the united Autobots, knights, and TRF storm her [[ignition chamber|base]], where Viviane is able to use her genetic link to Merlin to deactivate the staff and stop the drain. After the battle, Earth and Cybertron are left physically intertwined and the Autobots make their way back to their home planet. Quintessa, once again deceiving her enemies, fakes her death and adopts a human form, beginning a new plot to kill Unicron. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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==Alternate timelines==
*[[Movie expanded universe timeline]]—The secondary chronology of the movie universe that also includes the "expanded universe" of interlocking novels, comic books and other media.
*[[Sector Seven ARG timeline]]—Detailing the history of the "alternate reality" that presents Transformers as real beings, and the fiction associated with them a cover story propagated by Sector Seven.
*[[Titan Magazines movie timeline]]—Covering the UK take on the live-action movie universe, which diverges following the events of the first film. Also includes a timeline of the parallel universe where the events of the movie turned out differently.

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Chronologies]]
[[Category:Live-action film series history]]

Talk:Movie timeline

2023-06-13T15:43:08Z

Jman98:

So, is it the ARG that established Prime as N.B.E.-2? Because the comic has established Bumblebee as N.B.E.-2. Our first continuity glitch in movie continuity? (The two(?) Simmons in Sector 7 may be another, though it could easily be explained with a father-son connection. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not sure that the ARG ''has'' established who NBE 2 is, actually. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::And there's always the chance that they simply assumed Prime's messages were sent by Bumblebee. They never saw Prime, after all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==Novelization material==
Derik, Walky says to cease and desist adding information from the novelizations to the Wiki or he'll get rid of you until the movie comes out. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 07:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==Video Games==
the Movie, titan and S7 Continutys have their own pages so why not we make a page for the Movie video games continuty?
:Well, because there isn't one. The console and hand-held games aren't compatible, and it's not as if the different campaigns lead into each other at all across the movie and ROTF games - like, the Decepticons win and conquer Earth in their 2007 game campaign, and then... things are back to standard at the start of their ROTF campaign. It doesn't work. We'd just be describing individual game stories, and we have their articles for that. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:33, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

==DOTM date==
Some things (the game to name one) put DOTM three years, rather than two, after ROTF, which would place it in 2012. Given that Sam's finished university, three years would make sense. Should the timeline be changed accordingly? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]
:I have heard this floating around, all right, and was thinking about it. But what other sources are there besides the game? I'm not inclined to give the game any leeway in this particular timeline, as the games rarely "count" in that manner, plus, as I understand it, the game is about the run-up to Shockwave being freed, which if we were trying to count it, would take places shortly before ''Rising Storm'', which is only a year after ROTF. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:54, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
:: The novelization sets Sam Witwicky's Oval Office visit, which was right after ROTF, as "several years ago." Which is better than "two," at least, because, what, Sam had the shortest Ivy League college term ever? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:41, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Well, his college did get exploded fairly badly in ''Rising Storm''! :) But yeah, I think some kind of change is necessary here... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:05, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

{{quote|Its name is the ''Xantium.'' It brought the second wave of Autobots five years ago—Sideswipe and the rest.|[[Charlotte Mearing]]|[[Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel|''Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel'']] p 90}}
-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:34, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Devastator ==

The article frequently uses "Devastator" to refer to what is elsewhere called [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]]. Should this be changed, or is it done purposefully?[[Special:Contributions/24.13.125.86|24.13.125.86]] 21:15, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
:It's done because he was often called "Devastator" in the fiction. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:22, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
::Specifically, the only uses of the name in this timeline are in reference to his early appearance in the Titan comics, which consistently called him "Devastator", and would confusedly note in the letters pages that he was supposed to be a different guy from Brawl (though that didn't really make any sense in context). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:59, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:Ah. Well then, since the Construction Devastator is also covered, in the ROTF portion of the timeline, would it be possible to somehow mark the ones that are Devastator nee Brawl with a cite note or something?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.165|192.249.47.165]] 09:22, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

== Cyber Missions ==

Can they really be subsumed into the main continuity? They seem to have a lot of contradictions and discrepancies (Power Core Combiners interacting with movie characters, Soundwave coming to Earth previously, etc.) [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 08:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:How is Soundwave being on Earth a discrepancy? He comes down during Nefarious, and the Cyber Missions are placed after that. And there's no reason PCC characters can't be from the movie continuity - PCC Salvage is established as being the movie character on his package bio. If anything's place here is tenuous, it's Unite for the Universe, with characters that should be dead (Brakedown) or recovering on Diego Garcia (Brawn) at that point in IDW continuity, as well as oddities like Ravage acting independant of Soundwave, helping Starscream in a coup against Megatron. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]
::The Cyber Missions actually fit strangely ''well'', given that John Barber never watched them. I think the only unresolved contradiction would be Frenzy's being active again in them, and the ROTF prequel novel did note he was still alive in Simmons's basement, just dormant, so there's room for future fiction to fill in that gap. I admit I was a bit hesitant about putting Unite for the Universe into the timeline, but as it was the only even remotely-prominent bit of movie comic fiction that had nowhere else to go, I just went with it. "Rising Storm" had already approached death with a non-permanent freeness that left anything of that nature questionable, and it's not like the refugees might not have been tested out in the field to see how they were doing. It's all hand-waving, of course, but as the opening to the article says, it's not like there aren't slight contradictions to be found. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:22, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Even despite we have no proof Frenzy was involved on nefarious, i like to think those guys (the intative (spelling?)) revived him. jsut we didnt saw him
: Oh, OK. Thanks. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

==Classified==
Should we add the classified novels into the timeline? -- {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:I should think so. Though, where would they fit? I know they're post-ROTF and pre-DOTM, but I haven't read them (yet), so would anyone here who has read them know how to fit them in? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:55, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
::I've not read them either, but perhaps after Cyber Missions, since they seem to deal with a bunch of Decepticons off doing their own thing without Megatron? Really, the placement of stuff like these, Unite for the Universe and Cyber Missions is going to inevitably be pretty speculative since John Barber wasn't aware of/trying to include them during his phase as chief continuity pornographer for the movie universe. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 13:26, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
:::Sadly, Barber couldn't have worked these novels in since they came out after he had written Convergence and such. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:13, 15 July 2013 (EDT)

== The Bumblebee movie ==

In case you haven't heard, ''Empire'' magazine learned from DreamWorks that the Bumblebee movie will be set in the 1980s, invalidating all IDW worked to achieve. We need to move the page, and start from scratch on a new main timeline using information just from the films, as incoherent as they are. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 14:34, 14 June 2017 (EDT)

:If it's okay for me to give my two cents, this could all trace back from the Ghosts of Yesterday novel.

::1.) Bumblebee was a crew member of the Ark, but the tie-in material is vague on details, making it seem like it took the Ark (including Bumblebee) several decades to reach Mars after the events of Ghosts of Yesterday.

::2.) We had previously heard about Sentinel Prime's ship getting sent through a wormhole that sent him through space and time, and ultimately landed him in the far future. So, what if the crew of Ghost 1, from the novel, ended up sometime 30 or so years before 1969 (which the novel began in) after going through ''their'' wormhole? The Ghost 1 could have crashed outside of Earth's solar system and came in contact with Optimus' Ark around 1939.

:So the most easy retcon they could do, while keeping what the tie-in material established, is that the Ark and Ghost 1 did end up near Earth's solar system before the 1940s. Bumblebee headed to Earth in the middle of WWII, stayed there for sometime and went back to Mars in 2003 to scout or hide himself for whatever reason. It's funky, but this continuity has always been that way. [[User:BlindmelonKen|BlindmelonKen]] ([[User talk:BlindmelonKen|talk]]) 22:51, 20 June 2017‎

::It might just be easier to think that the tie in material only applies for the first three films, while AOE, TLK, and any future films fall in a separate timeline that also includes the first three films but none of the tie in material. All we'd have to do for this timeline is to move any and all post-DOTM film info off of this page and onto a new one that keeps the first three films' events but leaves out all the tie-in material. However, this is not a decision to be taken lightly, and must be made with the utmost care and consideration, so we need not be too hasty in this matter. We should probably just wait and see what we learn from these newer films once more is made known about them. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:06, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

:::I think if we did wanted to keep it for now, maybe we could assume Ghosts of Yesterday is non-canon or the Ghost 1 ended up 1500-2000 years in the past after going through that wormhole and the Ark landed on Earth around that time. [[User:BlindmelonKen|BlindmelonKen]] ([[User talk:BlindmelonKen|talk]]) 11:36, 27 June 2017‎
::::We shouldn't really make up fan-theories just to connect condradicting stories. We shouldn't pick and choose from the tie-in material either (saying that some are canon while the rest are not). I'd say it's far easier just to make a seperate page for the tie-in stuff, since it's unlikely that the movie writers are going to consider them canon. They may take inspiration from them, for sure but I doubt they would try not to condradict them.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 11:43, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

== Move to IDW Movie Timeline ==

I suggest this, since the movies clearly are not gonna fit with it now. I'd even say strip Age of Extinction from here.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:59, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sympathize with this, especially with removing the AOE stuff and making this strictly for the first film trilogy and its related media that the post-DOTM films will undoubtedly ignore and/or contradict. Though, there's also a number of non-IDW tie-in material in here as well, like the novels and Cyber Missions and such. Would that affect the "IDW" part of the title? (Also, as an aside, I feel the Classified novels, which aren't in here, can easily slot in as well between Cyber Missions and the pre-DOTM stuff, especially with how they foreshadow to Sentinel Prime's pillars without saying so.) --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:06, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
:Yes, I think that's about all we can do. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:19, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
I concur. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:39, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

== IDW Bumblebee ==

Can the 2018 IDW prequel Bumblebee be included in the 60s and 80s of this timeline? - RoboWarriorPrime 23 December 2018.

== Movie Timeline excluding IDW plotpoints ==

Hi guys, first of all I am a new TFWiki editor as of just now, but i am a longtime wiki reader and viewer who is obsessed with Transformers and any new pieces of information I can use to feed my knowledge.

So I have spent the last week or so studying the live action films and have come up with most of the timeline excluding the IDW fiction, I believe the IDW plotpoints are out of date as of the AOE and TLK movies, and I am a huge supporter of the shift of IDW plotpoints to their own seperate timeline.

I have used plotpoints pointed out by youtubers who have also studied the films and I have filled in the gaps that they have left out. I have copied all of the film plotpoints from the existing timeline on this wiki as well and done my best to remove anything that is strictly IDW or anything else that was not mentioned in the films, and just built up around them. My timeline study excludes the plotpoints given in Bumblebee, due to the continuity errors, however if anyone feels the need to add Bumblebee plotpoints or subtract anything from my timeline, that is also fine.

I have saved all of my timeline plotpoints in a Google Document, for whoever I need to get in touch with to show and make these edits, I just wanted to let everyone know that I have done my research. Granted there are bound to be things I have missed, but for the most part all important plot points are included.

[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 22:29, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

I have created a seperate sandbox timeline for me to slowly work on, I'll let you all know on my progress.

[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 08:31, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

:Excellent work! I've also been working on a IDW-exclusive timeline in my own [[User:223p/sandbox/IDW_movie_timeline|Sandbox]]. [[User:223p|223p]] 11.43, 10 June 2020

:I'm all done now. The timeline is ready for whoever needs it. I accidentally named my sandbox one IDW Movie Timeline, just due to copying and pasting bits from both your timeline and the existing one. Bumblebee's events are not included, if anyone thinks they should be included, feel free, but I think it would mess with the timeline more in my opinion. It could possibly do with some pictures, I've done my best to include pictures from other pages in the timeline to fill up the gaps where IDW fiction was placed. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:54, 10 June 2020 (EDT)

==Movie Timeline excluding AOE & TLK plotpoints==
The Movie timeline is the first and main chronology of the live-action movie universe, and it's current version is restricted to Michael Bay's productions only. That's not correct, because the movie timeline that is composed only by his movies is actually the second chronology of the live-action movie universe, since it only began when he forbade IDW Publishing, Del Rey Books, and Little, Brown and Company of publishing any prequel, adaptation or sequel material to AOE and TLK, along with the fact that the new information revealed in these two films, has appeared significantly and fundamentally irreconcilable with the larger timeline the tie-in media established. It was also the home to the original trilogy and their tie-in materials for thirteen years, which is why i think all tie-in plotpoints should return to this timeline and all AOE & TLK plotpoints should be excluded from here and placed in another timeline. As for the timeline where the AOE and TLK plotpoints shall be placed; i'm already working on it, i even have a title for that timeline. It's gonna be called "Bayverse movie timeline". What you guys think? --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 13:10, 19 November 2020 (EST)
:[[Movie expanded universe timeline|No]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:19, 19 November 2020 (EST)

::The tie-in media was only produced to fill in plot holes and retcon one or two things. The creators of tie-in media had no part in creating the films and merely wrote up extra fiction to fill in the blanks. The films come first and tie-in media comes second. It's called "tie-in media" for a reason. Regardless of whether Michael Bay directed all 5 films or not, the movies are still what would be listed on this timeline. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 14:44, 19 November 2020 (EST)

:I know and understand that. but as i said, the chronological order that includes the comics, novels, ect; is (and always has been) the first and main chronology, but from now on it's not anymore because of what you did! ''No offense here (since i don't want to offend anyone, and if it did sorry)'', but the thing is, this timeline was the home to the first three movies' tie-in media for thirteen years and i think that they shouldn't have never been removed from here. I think you should had removed all AOE & TLK plotpoints instead of the tie-in media plotpoints. That would've turn out '''so''' much better than make a glorious and awesome timeline composed by the original trilogy and it's tie-in material be "the secondary chronological order" rather than ''"the first (AKA: "mainstream") chronological order of the movie universe"'', which is "the correct" way to know it. I hope i didn't offended you or anyone else, well, bye. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 19:15, 19 November 2020 (EST)
::No, the main chronology has always been the ''movies''. That's why it's called the ''Movie'' Timeline. They are and always have been the primary source of fiction, and anything created for a tie-in is ancillary and is not taken into account by the writers of the films. The timeline laid out in the movies themselves will always take priority, and that's not going to change. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:42, 19 November 2020 (EST)
:::I'm not offended in any way. The idea to split the timelines had already been decided before I made an account on here. It was actually my very first contribution to the wiki too. I just followed along with the split that everyone had decided and added film-only plot points. The films are and always will be the "alpha" canon of the live-action film franchise, afterall it is called the "Live-action film" franchise. All other tie-in media regardless of whether it came first or not will always come second. Your argument is like saying that the Beast Hunters pack-in fiction released with figures from that line before the third season of Prime had aired was the "correct" story before the cartoon went a different route. It just doesn't work that way. Hasbro has and always will allow different partnering companies to write various tie-in stories to sell their products and allow for those creators to make their own unique spin-off timelines, but this doesn't make it any more "correct". The fact is, the films were '''still''' going to go whatever route they were going to take regardless of the tie-in fiction that came before it. Also, Hasbro's current direction when it comes to the live-action franchise, is to follow ''[[Brawl (Movie)|mostly]]'' what the films have established, that is why characters like Mirage from DOTM is now going by "Dino", in his latest toys, as that was the name that the film established. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 20:11, 19 November 2020 (EST)
::::Also another side note, if you look further up on this talk page, [[User:223p]] was the one who made the expanded universe timeline on a new page, I simply edited this one to have just the main movie plotpoints while adding in new ones that weren't previously mentioned. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:13, 19 November 2020 (EST)

== Proposal for page after ROTB (spoilers) ==

While I'm not sure if we're in a hurry to list information from Bumblebee and ROTB here, since the timeline was pretty straightforward (and vague) in both movies, I had a thought: Memory Alpha italicises events that only happened in Star Trek's Kelvin Timeline on their articles, allowing them to list information from multiple realities on the same pages. I thought it might be similarly helpful to place italics around the information from TLK, as right now, that movie's the outlier in these (already loosely connected) films, given how BB and ROTB explicitly reject its depiction of Unicron, and Bumblebee's history on Earth. That way, we can still list the dates from TLK, while making it clear most of it's not relevant going forward. Does that seem like a reasonable compromise? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 15:44, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
:I think a good compromise would be to divide the timeline into two core sections: pre-''Bumblebee'' and post-''Bumblebee'', especially given that there isn't overlap timeline-wise at this time and there's a lot of indication from the creatives behind the movies that it's a reboot (keyword: creatives, one producer who's not involved in the writing/directing does not count) but until the studio itself gives final word I think having the timeline started in ''Bumblebee'' having its own section would be a good compromise. I think it's silly to just completely omit it and ''Rise of the Beasts'' because they don't align with ''one'' movie. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:43, 13 June 2023 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)

2023-06-13T15:38:46Z

Jman98: forgot a colon.

==Potential Reboot?==
According to this [http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/23/2019-transformers-movie-feature-entirely-new-storyline-349463 article], Katherine Buckland is announcing that the 2019 film will feature a new storyline. But we didn't have any confirmation about the movie being a Generation 1 reboot. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 13:38, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
:For a long time it seemed like Age of Extinction was going to be a reboot based on what the people making it were saying, but then it turned out to be a continuation. It's just way too early to tell how it's going to turn out at this point. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:54, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
“It’s definitely not a reboot, but it’s also not a sequel,” Paramount President Adam Goodman said in an interview this week, pausing to search for words to describe the hybrid. “It is its own new thing." [https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-backstage-transformers-20140627-story.html] {{unsigned|96megatron}}

== Caption theme ==

I know it's way too early to talk about Captions for the page of the movie, but the theme should be from ''The Emperor's New Groove'' considering its being shot in well, Cusco. Energizier 16:33, 18 September 2021 (EDT)
: Just to put it on the table for discussion, consider Planet of the Apes; Memetic and thematic. [[User:Dangerdan97|Dangerdan97]] ([[User talk:Dangerdan97|talk]]) 22:00, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:If T. rex Megatron does show up, I cast my vote for Godzilla vs. Kong. Failing that we could go the boring route and choose the Beast Wars pilot. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 11:11, 23 March 2023 (EDT)
:: Or we could use the original king kong or maybe even Tarzan. Also why would that be the boring route?-[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 10:20, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
:: It's the most obvious. A low-hanging fruit, so to speak. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 14:18, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
:: Alternative idea, the theme for the movie's captions should be quotes from the two-part ''South Park'' episode "Pandemic", due to the Peruvian setting. Energizier 19:59, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
:::''The Beastmaster'' is right there. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:42, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
:::: If we do wind up using Beast Wars as the caption theme, is there any good reason it has to be the pilot specifically? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 08:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
::::: The 2007 movie's page has captions from the 86 movie, so this one would follow suit for the pilot of BW. Energizier 13:33, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
::::::I say a mix of 90s jokes and BW homages. Oh and for Unicron scene can you pleeeeeaseeee use lifelight verse where it says ("On that day, when the sky fell away(Unicron), our world(Assuming its Jungle Planet) came to an end. In our(Maximal) eyes, did a fading sun rise, from the dark glimmering shadows(Terrorcon))?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:43, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
::::::: The South Park Pandemic 2 parter is right there. The Peruvian setting is perfect. Energizier 14:13, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::How's about the classic 1933 King Kong? Because, y'know, big monke?.[[User:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] ([[user talk;Dictionaryabot|talk]]) 5:26, 28 May, 2023 (EST)
::::::::::Nah. Energizier 17:44, 28 May 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::::My vote's for ''Beast Wars'' quotes to follow the trend from the 2007 film, though I wouldn't say no to expanding beyond the pilot. [[User:Chopperface|Chopperface]] ([[User talk:Chopperface|talk]]) 13:55, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

== Stratosphere ==
Are we sure that this Stratosphere is the same character as the ROTF incarnation? --[[User:TopsyTurvy|TopsyTurvy]] ([[User talk:TopsyTurvy|talk]]) 08:02, 2 December 2022 (EST)
:We are not. Frankly, I'd be inclined to remove the links from Mirage, Wheeljack, and maybe even Arcee until we've decided how we're going to cover them - Mirage doesn't seem to have anything to do with Dino beyond a shared name. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 12:18, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:I'd say it's more likely than not but technically none of these characters are the same as the ROTF incarnations for a sordid amount of reasons. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 17:41, 6 December 2022 (EST)
:: Guys, we Caple just confirmed that it's a reboot. We should definitely make new pages for all the characters. [[user:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] ([[User talk:Dictionaryabot|talk]]) 5:30, 28 May 2023 (EST)
::: That's not how that works. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:02, 28 May 2023 (EDT)

==Scorponok?==

He hasn’t been confirmed yet, IIRC. Just a bunch of scorpions.
[[User:ShockSound11]]

== Marketing Material ==

Since you guys did this for WFCT, can you do the same for ROTB chars?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:47, 16 May 2023 (EDT)

== SG first airing ==

I think we should address that they chose ''Singapore'' to get first screening out of all places.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 11:37, 23 May 2023 (EDT)

==Continuity Notes (Prequel v. Reboot)==
“Promotion for the film has delivered a lot of fuzzy statements and mixed-messaging, but the film has been referred to (quite adamantly, on the part of producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura) as a prequel to the 2007 film several times.”
Shouldn’t it also be noted that the director, Steven Caple Jr., explicitly referred to the film as a reboot during an interview?
[[User:StunticonPhoton12|StunticonPhoton12]] ([[User talk:StunticonPhoton12|talk]]) 13:00, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
:It was my intention to go back and flesh out the section with direct quotes, as on the ''Bumblebee'' article. But I will say, the interview that everyone took as this massive explicit confirmation featured Caple saying: "It's a reboot for sure," then five seconds later, qualifying that by saying "It's a refresher, I guess you could call it a reboot in terms of where we're starting, but it's definitely a new ''direction,'' there's things that could probably connect to it." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::And there were several little moments in this movie that certainly felt like they were meant to remind viewers of things that happened in the Bay movies. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:58, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::The "it's a refresher" comment I think is just to remind audiences of ''Transformers'' in general, rather than strictly connecting it to the Bay films. It's the same with introducing a new superhero reboot, it refreshes audiences on the character while being new. I don't think Caple Jr. using the word "reboot" was an accident, especially given the interviewer's question that led to that answer. Feels ignorant to discard this because the producer who has no involvement in the creative process is contradicting the director. Besides, if it's not a reboot, is the [[Movie timeline]] just going to continue ignoring ''Bumblebee'', ''Rise of the Beasts'', and the events of every new installment because they don't align with ''The Last Knight''? It feels like the wiki is making it more complicated than it actually is, but that's just my opinion. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:40, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
:::This isn't the first time the "Movie timeline" article has been radically affected by the movies. Originally, the [[Movie expanded universe timeline]] article was the main "Movie timeline" article, but then Age of Extinction and The Last Knight came and threw out all of the expanded universe content (even though it was the very glue that held the first three films' continuity together), forcing us to rename that page and create the new film-only "Movie timeline" page that we currently have. At worst, we'd simply have to make a new timeline article that includes BB and ROTB but ignores TLK. At this point, we'll just have to wait and see where the storylines of future films go. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:03, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
::::''Variety'' said it best about the movies in general, they "weren’t exactly sticklers for the laws of time and space, either". Energizier 19:08, 12 June 2023 (EDT)
:::::I don't think I'd place actual theatrical films in the same category as comics and games, personally. The films should dictate the timeline, always. Wouldn't say this is the same situation as that at all, ''Bumblebee'' and this film aren't "expanded universe" comic stories, they're proper installments in the franchise. Maybe there can be a compromise to have it divided into two core sections, pre-''Bumblebee'' and post-''Bumblebee''. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:38, 13 June 2023 (EDT)

== Release Date confusion ==

So, all sources point towards the movie having been theatrically released on the 9th. However, my mom (I'm on summer break from college) was able to get tickets for I and some friends to see the film a day early (June 8th) at Cinemark. It didn't seem like a mistake, as it was showing in multiple theaters there, including the XD one, and there were several promotional items available (optimus prime popcorn bucket and photo booth). I know that the IMAX version of the film released early, but this wasn't an IMAX theater. Does anyone know of any other instances of the film releasing early in some (non-IMAX) theaters, or is this the only instance? I live in Kentucky (louisville area), if that helps. [[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 09:31, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
:That's just how movie releases are. Usually movies will come out the night before the actual slated release date. They used to wait until midnight, but they release as early as 7 PM the day before from what I've seen. Happens in my hometown for as long as I can remember. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:36, 13 June 2023 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)

2023-06-13T15:38:29Z

Jman98:

==Potential Reboot?==
According to this [http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/23/2019-transformers-movie-feature-entirely-new-storyline-349463 article], Katherine Buckland is announcing that the 2019 film will feature a new storyline. But we didn't have any confirmation about the movie being a Generation 1 reboot. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 13:38, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
:For a long time it seemed like Age of Extinction was going to be a reboot based on what the people making it were saying, but then it turned out to be a continuation. It's just way too early to tell how it's going to turn out at this point. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:54, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
“It’s definitely not a reboot, but it’s also not a sequel,” Paramount President Adam Goodman said in an interview this week, pausing to search for words to describe the hybrid. “It is its own new thing." [https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-backstage-transformers-20140627-story.html] {{unsigned|96megatron}}

== Caption theme ==

I know it's way too early to talk about Captions for the page of the movie, but the theme should be from ''The Emperor's New Groove'' considering its being shot in well, Cusco. Energizier 16:33, 18 September 2021 (EDT)
: Just to put it on the table for discussion, consider Planet of the Apes; Memetic and thematic. [[User:Dangerdan97|Dangerdan97]] ([[User talk:Dangerdan97|talk]]) 22:00, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:If T. rex Megatron does show up, I cast my vote for Godzilla vs. Kong. Failing that we could go the boring route and choose the Beast Wars pilot. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 11:11, 23 March 2023 (EDT)
:: Or we could use the original king kong or maybe even Tarzan. Also why would that be the boring route?-[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 10:20, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
:: It's the most obvious. A low-hanging fruit, so to speak. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 14:18, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
:: Alternative idea, the theme for the movie's captions should be quotes from the two-part ''South Park'' episode "Pandemic", due to the Peruvian setting. Energizier 19:59, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
:::''The Beastmaster'' is right there. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:42, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
:::: If we do wind up using Beast Wars as the caption theme, is there any good reason it has to be the pilot specifically? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 08:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
::::: The 2007 movie's page has captions from the 86 movie, so this one would follow suit for the pilot of BW. Energizier 13:33, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
::::::I say a mix of 90s jokes and BW homages. Oh and for Unicron scene can you pleeeeeaseeee use lifelight verse where it says ("On that day, when the sky fell away(Unicron), our world(Assuming its Jungle Planet) came to an end. In our(Maximal) eyes, did a fading sun rise, from the dark glimmering shadows(Terrorcon))?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:43, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
::::::: The South Park Pandemic 2 parter is right there. The Peruvian setting is perfect. Energizier 14:13, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::How's about the classic 1933 King Kong? Because, y'know, big monke?.[[User:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] ([[user talk;Dictionaryabot|talk]]) 5:26, 28 May, 2023 (EST)
::::::::::Nah. Energizier 17:44, 28 May 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::::My vote's for ''Beast Wars'' quotes to follow the trend from the 2007 film, though I wouldn't say no to expanding beyond the pilot. [[User:Chopperface|Chopperface]] ([[User talk:Chopperface|talk]]) 13:55, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

== Stratosphere ==
Are we sure that this Stratosphere is the same character as the ROTF incarnation? --[[User:TopsyTurvy|TopsyTurvy]] ([[User talk:TopsyTurvy|talk]]) 08:02, 2 December 2022 (EST)
:We are not. Frankly, I'd be inclined to remove the links from Mirage, Wheeljack, and maybe even Arcee until we've decided how we're going to cover them - Mirage doesn't seem to have anything to do with Dino beyond a shared name. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 12:18, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:I'd say it's more likely than not but technically none of these characters are the same as the ROTF incarnations for a sordid amount of reasons. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 17:41, 6 December 2022 (EST)
:: Guys, we Caple just confirmed that it's a reboot. We should definitely make new pages for all the characters. [[user:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] ([[User talk:Dictionaryabot|talk]]) 5:30, 28 May 2023 (EST)
::: That's not how that works. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:02, 28 May 2023 (EDT)

==Scorponok?==

He hasn’t been confirmed yet, IIRC. Just a bunch of scorpions.
[[User:ShockSound11]]

== Marketing Material ==

Since you guys did this for WFCT, can you do the same for ROTB chars?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:47, 16 May 2023 (EDT)

== SG first airing ==

I think we should address that they chose ''Singapore'' to get first screening out of all places.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 11:37, 23 May 2023 (EDT)

==Continuity Notes (Prequel v. Reboot)==
“Promotion for the film has delivered a lot of fuzzy statements and mixed-messaging, but the film has been referred to (quite adamantly, on the part of producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura) as a prequel to the 2007 film several times.”
Shouldn’t it also be noted that the director, Steven Caple Jr., explicitly referred to the film as a reboot during an interview?
[[User:StunticonPhoton12|StunticonPhoton12]] ([[User talk:StunticonPhoton12|talk]]) 13:00, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
:It was my intention to go back and flesh out the section with direct quotes, as on the ''Bumblebee'' article. But I will say, the interview that everyone took as this massive explicit confirmation featured Caple saying: "It's a reboot for sure," then five seconds later, qualifying that by saying "It's a refresher, I guess you could call it a reboot in terms of where we're starting, but it's definitely a new ''direction,'' there's things that could probably connect to it." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::And there were several little moments in this movie that certainly felt like they were meant to remind viewers of things that happened in the Bay movies. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:58, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::The "it's a refresher" comment I think is just to remind audiences of ''Transformers'' in general, rather than strictly connecting it to the Bay films. It's the same with introducing a new superhero reboot, it refreshes audiences on the character while being new. I don't think Caple Jr. using the word "reboot" was an accident, especially given the interviewer's question that led to that answer. Feels ignorant to discard this because the producer who has no involvement in the creative process is contradicting the director. Besides, if it's not a reboot, is the [[Movie timeline]] just going to continue ignoring ''Bumblebee'', ''Rise of the Beasts'', and the events of every new installment because they don't align with ''The Last Knight''? It feels like the wiki is making it more complicated than it actually is, but that's just my opinion. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:40, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
:::This isn't the first time the "Movie timeline" article has been radically affected by the movies. Originally, the [[Movie expanded universe timeline]] article was the main "Movie timeline" article, but then Age of Extinction and The Last Knight came and threw out all of the expanded universe content (even though it was the very glue that held the first three films' continuity together), forcing us to rename that page and create the new film-only "Movie timeline" page that we currently have. At worst, we'd simply have to make a new timeline article that includes BB and ROTB but ignores TLK. At this point, we'll just have to wait and see where the storylines of future films go. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:03, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
::::''Variety'' said it best about the movies in general, they "weren’t exactly sticklers for the laws of time and space, either". Energizier 19:08, 12 June 2023 (EDT)
::::I don't think I'd place actual theatrical films in the same category as comics and games, personally. The films should dictate the timeline, always. Wouldn't say this is the same situation as that at all, ''Bumblebee'' and this film aren't "expanded universe" comic stories, they're proper installments in the franchise. Maybe there can be a compromise to have it divided into two core sections, pre-''Bumblebee'' and post-''Bumblebee''. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:38, 13 June 2023 (EDT)

== Release Date confusion ==

So, all sources point towards the movie having been theatrically released on the 9th. However, my mom (I'm on summer break from college) was able to get tickets for I and some friends to see the film a day early (June 8th) at Cinemark. It didn't seem like a mistake, as it was showing in multiple theaters there, including the XD one, and there were several promotional items available (optimus prime popcorn bucket and photo booth). I know that the IMAX version of the film released early, but this wasn't an IMAX theater. Does anyone know of any other instances of the film releasing early in some (non-IMAX) theaters, or is this the only instance? I live in Kentucky (louisville area), if that helps. [[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 09:31, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
:That's just how movie releases are. Usually movies will come out the night before the actual slated release date. They used to wait until midnight, but they release as early as 7 PM the day before from what I've seen. Happens in my hometown for as long as I can remember. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:36, 13 June 2023 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)

2023-06-13T15:36:02Z

Jman98:

==Potential Reboot?==
According to this [http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/23/2019-transformers-movie-feature-entirely-new-storyline-349463 article], Katherine Buckland is announcing that the 2019 film will feature a new storyline. But we didn't have any confirmation about the movie being a Generation 1 reboot. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 13:38, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
:For a long time it seemed like Age of Extinction was going to be a reboot based on what the people making it were saying, but then it turned out to be a continuation. It's just way too early to tell how it's going to turn out at this point. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:54, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
“It’s definitely not a reboot, but it’s also not a sequel,” Paramount President Adam Goodman said in an interview this week, pausing to search for words to describe the hybrid. “It is its own new thing." [https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-backstage-transformers-20140627-story.html] {{unsigned|96megatron}}

== Caption theme ==

I know it's way too early to talk about Captions for the page of the movie, but the theme should be from ''The Emperor's New Groove'' considering its being shot in well, Cusco. Energizier 16:33, 18 September 2021 (EDT)
: Just to put it on the table for discussion, consider Planet of the Apes; Memetic and thematic. [[User:Dangerdan97|Dangerdan97]] ([[User talk:Dangerdan97|talk]]) 22:00, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:If T. rex Megatron does show up, I cast my vote for Godzilla vs. Kong. Failing that we could go the boring route and choose the Beast Wars pilot. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 11:11, 23 March 2023 (EDT)
:: Or we could use the original king kong or maybe even Tarzan. Also why would that be the boring route?-[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 10:20, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
:: It's the most obvious. A low-hanging fruit, so to speak. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 14:18, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
:: Alternative idea, the theme for the movie's captions should be quotes from the two-part ''South Park'' episode "Pandemic", due to the Peruvian setting. Energizier 19:59, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
:::''The Beastmaster'' is right there. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:42, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
:::: If we do wind up using Beast Wars as the caption theme, is there any good reason it has to be the pilot specifically? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 08:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
::::: The 2007 movie's page has captions from the 86 movie, so this one would follow suit for the pilot of BW. Energizier 13:33, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
::::::I say a mix of 90s jokes and BW homages. Oh and for Unicron scene can you pleeeeeaseeee use lifelight verse where it says ("On that day, when the sky fell away(Unicron), our world(Assuming its Jungle Planet) came to an end. In our(Maximal) eyes, did a fading sun rise, from the dark glimmering shadows(Terrorcon))?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:43, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
::::::: The South Park Pandemic 2 parter is right there. The Peruvian setting is perfect. Energizier 14:13, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::How's about the classic 1933 King Kong? Because, y'know, big monke?.[[User:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] ([[user talk;Dictionaryabot|talk]]) 5:26, 28 May, 2023 (EST)
::::::::::Nah. Energizier 17:44, 28 May 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::::My vote's for ''Beast Wars'' quotes to follow the trend from the 2007 film, though I wouldn't say no to expanding beyond the pilot. [[User:Chopperface|Chopperface]] ([[User talk:Chopperface|talk]]) 13:55, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

== Stratosphere ==
Are we sure that this Stratosphere is the same character as the ROTF incarnation? --[[User:TopsyTurvy|TopsyTurvy]] ([[User talk:TopsyTurvy|talk]]) 08:02, 2 December 2022 (EST)
:We are not. Frankly, I'd be inclined to remove the links from Mirage, Wheeljack, and maybe even Arcee until we've decided how we're going to cover them - Mirage doesn't seem to have anything to do with Dino beyond a shared name. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 12:18, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:I'd say it's more likely than not but technically none of these characters are the same as the ROTF incarnations for a sordid amount of reasons. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 17:41, 6 December 2022 (EST)
:: Guys, we Caple just confirmed that it's a reboot. We should definitely make new pages for all the characters. [[user:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] ([[User talk:Dictionaryabot|talk]]) 5:30, 28 May 2023 (EST)
::: That's not how that works. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:02, 28 May 2023 (EDT)

==Scorponok?==

He hasn’t been confirmed yet, IIRC. Just a bunch of scorpions.
[[User:ShockSound11]]

== Marketing Material ==

Since you guys did this for WFCT, can you do the same for ROTB chars?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:47, 16 May 2023 (EDT)

== SG first airing ==

I think we should address that they chose ''Singapore'' to get first screening out of all places.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 11:37, 23 May 2023 (EDT)

==Continuity Notes (Prequel v. Reboot)==
“Promotion for the film has delivered a lot of fuzzy statements and mixed-messaging, but the film has been referred to (quite adamantly, on the part of producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura) as a prequel to the 2007 film several times.”
Shouldn’t it also be noted that the director, Steven Caple Jr., explicitly referred to the film as a reboot during an interview?
[[User:StunticonPhoton12|StunticonPhoton12]] ([[User talk:StunticonPhoton12|talk]]) 13:00, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
:It was my intention to go back and flesh out the section with direct quotes, as on the ''Bumblebee'' article. But I will say, the interview that everyone took as this massive explicit confirmation featured Caple saying: "It's a reboot for sure," then five seconds later, qualifying that by saying "It's a refresher, I guess you could call it a reboot in terms of where we're starting, but it's definitely a new ''direction,'' there's things that could probably connect to it." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::And there were several little moments in this movie that certainly felt like they were meant to remind viewers of things that happened in the Bay movies. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:58, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::The "it's a refresher" comment I think is just to remind audiences of ''Transformers'' in general, rather than strictly connecting it to the Bay films. It's the same with introducing a new superhero reboot, it refreshes audiences on the character while being new. I don't think Caple Jr. using the word "reboot" was an accident, especially given the interviewer's question that led to that answer. Feels ignorant to discard this because the producer who has no involvement in the creative process is contradicting the director. Besides, if it's not a reboot, is the [[Movie timeline]] just going to continue ignoring ''Bumblebee'', ''Rise of the Beasts'', and the events of every new installment because they don't align with ''The Last Knight''? It feels like the wiki is making it more complicated than it actually is, but that's just my opinion. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:40, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
:::This isn't the first time the "Movie timeline" article has been radically affected by the movies. Originally, the [[Movie expanded universe timeline]] article was the main "Movie timeline" article, but then Age of Extinction and The Last Knight came and threw out all of the expanded universe content (even though it was the very glue that held the first three films' continuity together), forcing us to rename that page and create the new film-only "Movie timeline" page that we currently have. At worst, we'd simply have to make a new timeline article that includes BB and ROTB but ignores TLK. At this point, we'll just have to wait and see where the storylines of future films go. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:03, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
::::''Variety'' said it best about the movies in general, they "weren’t exactly sticklers for the laws of time and space, either". Energizier 19:08, 12 June 2023 (EDT)

== Release Date confusion ==

So, all sources point towards the movie having been theatrically released on the 9th. However, my mom (I'm on summer break from college) was able to get tickets for I and some friends to see the film a day early (June 8th) at Cinemark. It didn't seem like a mistake, as it was showing in multiple theaters there, including the XD one, and there were several promotional items available (optimus prime popcorn bucket and photo booth). I know that the IMAX version of the film released early, but this wasn't an IMAX theater. Does anyone know of any other instances of the film releasing early in some (non-IMAX) theaters, or is this the only instance? I live in Kentucky (louisville area), if that helps. [[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 09:31, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
:That's just how movie releases are. Usually movies will come out the night before the actual slated release date. They used to wait until midnight, but they release as early as 7 PM the day before from what I've seen. Happens in my hometown for as long as I can remember. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:36, 13 June 2023 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)

2023-06-11T15:41:17Z

Jman98:

==Potential Reboot?==
According to this [http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/23/2019-transformers-movie-feature-entirely-new-storyline-349463 article], Katherine Buckland is announcing that the 2019 film will feature a new storyline. But we didn't have any confirmation about the movie being a Generation 1 reboot. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 13:38, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
:For a long time it seemed like Age of Extinction was going to be a reboot based on what the people making it were saying, but then it turned out to be a continuation. It's just way too early to tell how it's going to turn out at this point. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:54, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
“It’s definitely not a reboot, but it’s also not a sequel,” Paramount President Adam Goodman said in an interview this week, pausing to search for words to describe the hybrid. “It is its own new thing." [https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-backstage-transformers-20140627-story.html] {{unsigned|96megatron}}

== Caption theme ==

I know it's way too early to talk about Captions for the page of the movie, but the theme should be from ''The Emperor's New Groove'' considering its being shot in well, Cusco. Energizier 16:33, 18 September 2021 (EDT)
: Just to put it on the table for discussion, consider Planet of the Apes; Memetic and thematic. [[User:Dangerdan97|Dangerdan97]] ([[User talk:Dangerdan97|talk]]) 22:00, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:If T. rex Megatron does show up, I cast my vote for Godzilla vs. Kong. Failing that we could go the boring route and choose the Beast Wars pilot. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 11:11, 23 March 2023 (EDT)
:: Or we could use the original king kong or maybe even Tarzan. Also why would that be the boring route?-[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 10:20, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
:: It's the most obvious. A low-hanging fruit, so to speak. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 14:18, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
:: Alternative idea, the theme for the movie's captions should be quotes from the two-part ''South Park'' episode "Pandemic", due to the Peruvian setting. Energizier 19:59, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
:::''The Beastmaster'' is right there. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:42, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
:::: If we do wind up using Beast Wars as the caption theme, is there any good reason it has to be the pilot specifically? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 08:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
::::: The 2007 movie's page has captions from the 86 movie, so this one would follow suit for the pilot of BW. Energizier 13:33, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
::::::I say a mix of 90s jokes and BW homages. Oh and for Unicron scene can you pleeeeeaseeee use lifelight verse where it says ("On that day, when the sky fell away(Unicron), our world(Assuming its Jungle Planet) came to an end. In our(Maximal) eyes, did a fading sun rise, from the dark glimmering shadows(Terrorcon))?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:43, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
::::::: The South Park Pandemic 2 parter is right there. The Peruvian setting is perfect. Energizier 14:13, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::How's about the classic 1933 King Kong? Because, y'know, big monke?.[[User:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] ([[user talk;Dictionaryabot|talk]]) 5:26, 28 May, 2023 (EST)
::::::::::Nah. Energizier 17:44, 28 May 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::::My vote's for ''Beast Wars'' quotes to follow the trend from the 2007 film, though I wouldn't say no to expanding beyond the pilot. [[User:Chopperface|Chopperface]] ([[User talk:Chopperface|talk]]) 13:55, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

== Stratosphere ==
Are we sure that this Stratosphere is the same character as the ROTF incarnation? --[[User:TopsyTurvy|TopsyTurvy]] ([[User talk:TopsyTurvy|talk]]) 08:02, 2 December 2022 (EST)
:We are not. Frankly, I'd be inclined to remove the links from Mirage, Wheeljack, and maybe even Arcee until we've decided how we're going to cover them - Mirage doesn't seem to have anything to do with Dino beyond a shared name. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 12:18, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:I'd say it's more likely than not but technically none of these characters are the same as the ROTF incarnations for a sordid amount of reasons. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 17:41, 6 December 2022 (EST)
:: Guys, we Caple just confirmed that it's a reboot. We should definitely make new pages for all the characters. [[user:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] ([[User talk:Dictionaryabot|talk]]) 5:30, 28 May 2023 (EST)
::: That's not how that works. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:02, 28 May 2023 (EDT)

==Scorponok?==

He hasn’t been confirmed yet, IIRC. Just a bunch of scorpions.
[[User:ShockSound11]]

== Marketing Material ==

Since you guys did this for WFCT, can you do the same for ROTB chars?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:47, 16 May 2023 (EDT)

== SG first airing ==

I think we should address that they chose ''Singapore'' to get first screening out of all places.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 11:37, 23 May 2023 (EDT)

== Continuity Notes (Prequel v. Reboot) ==

“Promotion for the film has delivered a lot of fuzzy statements and mixed-messaging, but the film has been referred to (quite adamantly, on the part of producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura) as a prequel to the 2007 film several times.”
Shouldn’t it also be noted that the director, Steven Caple Jr., explicitly referred to the film as a reboot during an interview?
[[User:StunticonPhoton12|StunticonPhoton12]] ([[User talk:StunticonPhoton12|talk]]) 13:00, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
:It was my intention to go back and flesh out the section with direct quotes, as on the ''Bumblebee'' article. But I will say, the interview that everyone took as this massive explicit confirmation featured Caple saying: "It's a reboot for sure," then five seconds later, qualifying that by saying "It's a refresher, I guess you could call it a reboot in terms of where we're starting, but it's definitely a new ''direction,'' there's things that could probably connect to it." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::And there were several little moments in this movie that certainly felt like they were meant to remind viewers of things that happened in the Bay movies. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:58, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

::The "it's a refresher" comment I think is just to remind audiences of ''Transformers'' in general, rather than strictly connecting it to the Bay films. It's the same with introducing a new superhero reboot, it refreshes audiences on the character while being new. I don't think Caple Jr. using the word "reboot" was an accident, especially given the interviewer's question that led to that answer. Feels ignorant to discard this because the producer who has no involvement in the creative process is contradicting the director. Besides, if it's not a reboot, is the [[Movie timeline]] just going to continue ignoring ''Bumblebee'', ''Rise of the Beasts'', and the events of every new installment because they don't align with ''The Last Knight''? It feels like the wiki is making it more complicated than it actually is, but that's just my opinion. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:40, 11 June 2023 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)

2023-06-11T15:40:59Z

Jman98:

==Potential Reboot?==
According to this [http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/23/2019-transformers-movie-feature-entirely-new-storyline-349463 article], Katherine Buckland is announcing that the 2019 film will feature a new storyline. But we didn't have any confirmation about the movie being a Generation 1 reboot. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 13:38, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
:For a long time it seemed like Age of Extinction was going to be a reboot based on what the people making it were saying, but then it turned out to be a continuation. It's just way too early to tell how it's going to turn out at this point. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:54, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
“It’s definitely not a reboot, but it’s also not a sequel,” Paramount President Adam Goodman said in an interview this week, pausing to search for words to describe the hybrid. “It is its own new thing." [https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-backstage-transformers-20140627-story.html] {{unsigned|96megatron}}

== Caption theme ==

I know it's way too early to talk about Captions for the page of the movie, but the theme should be from ''The Emperor's New Groove'' considering its being shot in well, Cusco. Energizier 16:33, 18 September 2021 (EDT)
: Just to put it on the table for discussion, consider Planet of the Apes; Memetic and thematic. [[User:Dangerdan97|Dangerdan97]] ([[User talk:Dangerdan97|talk]]) 22:00, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:If T. rex Megatron does show up, I cast my vote for Godzilla vs. Kong. Failing that we could go the boring route and choose the Beast Wars pilot. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 11:11, 23 March 2023 (EDT)
:: Or we could use the original king kong or maybe even Tarzan. Also why would that be the boring route?-[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 10:20, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
:: It's the most obvious. A low-hanging fruit, so to speak. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 14:18, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
:: Alternative idea, the theme for the movie's captions should be quotes from the two-part ''South Park'' episode "Pandemic", due to the Peruvian setting. Energizier 19:59, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
:::''The Beastmaster'' is right there. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:42, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
:::: If we do wind up using Beast Wars as the caption theme, is there any good reason it has to be the pilot specifically? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 08:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
::::: The 2007 movie's page has captions from the 86 movie, so this one would follow suit for the pilot of BW. Energizier 13:33, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
::::::I say a mix of 90s jokes and BW homages. Oh and for Unicron scene can you pleeeeeaseeee use lifelight verse where it says ("On that day, when the sky fell away(Unicron), our world(Assuming its Jungle Planet) came to an end. In our(Maximal) eyes, did a fading sun rise, from the dark glimmering shadows(Terrorcon))?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:43, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
::::::: The South Park Pandemic 2 parter is right there. The Peruvian setting is perfect. Energizier 14:13, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::How's about the classic 1933 King Kong? Because, y'know, big monke?.[[User:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] ([[user talk;Dictionaryabot|talk]]) 5:26, 28 May, 2023 (EST)
::::::::::Nah. Energizier 17:44, 28 May 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::::My vote's for ''Beast Wars'' quotes to follow the trend from the 2007 film, though I wouldn't say no to expanding beyond the pilot. [[User:Chopperface|Chopperface]] ([[User talk:Chopperface|talk]]) 13:55, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

== Stratosphere ==
Are we sure that this Stratosphere is the same character as the ROTF incarnation? --[[User:TopsyTurvy|TopsyTurvy]] ([[User talk:TopsyTurvy|talk]]) 08:02, 2 December 2022 (EST)
:We are not. Frankly, I'd be inclined to remove the links from Mirage, Wheeljack, and maybe even Arcee until we've decided how we're going to cover them - Mirage doesn't seem to have anything to do with Dino beyond a shared name. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 12:18, 4 December 2022 (EST)
:I'd say it's more likely than not but technically none of these characters are the same as the ROTF incarnations for a sordid amount of reasons. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 17:41, 6 December 2022 (EST)
:: Guys, we Caple just confirmed that it's a reboot. We should definitely make new pages for all the characters. [[user:Dictionaryabot|Dictionaryabot]] ([[User talk:Dictionaryabot|talk]]) 5:30, 28 May 2023 (EST)
::: That's not how that works. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:02, 28 May 2023 (EDT)

==Scorponok?==

He hasn’t been confirmed yet, IIRC. Just a bunch of scorpions.
[[User:ShockSound11]]

== Marketing Material ==

Since you guys did this for WFCT, can you do the same for ROTB chars?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:47, 16 May 2023 (EDT)

== SG first airing ==

I think we should address that they chose ''Singapore'' to get first screening out of all places.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 11:37, 23 May 2023 (EDT)

== Continuity Notes (Prequel v. Reboot) ==

“Promotion for the film has delivered a lot of fuzzy statements and mixed-messaging, but the film has been referred to (quite adamantly, on the part of producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura) as a prequel to the 2007 film several times.”
Shouldn’t it also be noted that the director, Steven Caple Jr., explicitly referred to the film as a reboot during an interview?
[[User:StunticonPhoton12|StunticonPhoton12]] ([[User talk:StunticonPhoton12|talk]]) 13:00, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
:It was my intention to go back and flesh out the section with direct quotes, as on the ''Bumblebee'' article. But I will say, the interview that everyone took as this massive explicit confirmation featured Caple saying: "It's a reboot for sure," then five seconds later, qualifying that by saying "It's a refresher, I guess you could call it a reboot in terms of where we're starting, but it's definitely a new ''direction,'' there's things that could probably connect to it." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:39, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::And there were several little moments in this movie that certainly felt like they were meant to remind viewers of things that happened in the Bay movies. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:58, 10 June 2023 (EDT)
::The "it's a refresher" comment I think is just to remind audiences of ''Transformers'' in general, rather than strictly connecting it to the Bay films. It's the same with introducing a new superhero reboot, it refreshes audiences on the character while being new. I don't think Caple Jr. using the word "reboot" was an accident, especially given the interviewer's question that led to that answer. Feels ignorant to discard this because the producer who has no involvement in the creative process is contradicting the director. Besides, if it's not a reboot, is the [[Movie timeline]] just going to continue ignoring ''Bumblebee'', ''Rise of the Beasts'', and the events of every new installment because they don't align with ''The Last Knight''? It feels like the wiki is making it more complicated than it actually is, but that's just my opinion. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:40, 11 June 2023 (EDT)

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Cliffjumper (Movie)

2018-12-24T23:37:07Z

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:''Cliffjumper is an [[Autobot]] from the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:ReignofStarscream3 Cliffjumper.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"...But if we wind up in Carbombya, I quit."]]
Surly, impatient, loud, and brash, '''Cliffjumper''' is an Autobot who shoots first and asks questions much, much later. The only intelligence he's patient enough to gather is "[[Decepticon]]s were here, and now they're dead." Despite his surly and impetuous nature, however, [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] seems to like him. He's short in stature much like 'Bee, but that never gets in the way of him provoking his enemies and taking the first shot in battle.

==Fiction==
===Movies===
{{note|The six movies are the primary component of the live-action movie continuity family. Their events should be taken as canon for all other pieces of fiction listed below, unless otherwise specified.}}
====''Bumblebee'' film====
{{spoilers|Bumblebee (film)|January 21, 2019}}
{{voiceactor|[[Andrew Morgado]] (English)}}
[[File:BBfim-Cliffjumper-in-battle.jpg|left|thumb]]
A member of the Autobot rebels fighting against the [[Decepticon]]s, Cliffjumper and the other Autobots were forced to evacuate [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] via personal escape craft, intending to regroup on [[Earth]] when it became clear that they could no longer hold out on Cybertron.

Some time later, the Decepticon hunters [[Shatter]] and [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] tracked him to one of [[Saturn|Saturn's]] moons, and attempted to torture him to learn [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s whereabouts. Though Cliffjumper refused to betray the Autobots, the two Decepticons managed to pick up [[Bumblebee (Movie)|B-127's]] signal from nearby Earth. The pair decided to go after B-127 instead... but not before Shatter tied up the loose end by fatally bisecting Cliffjumper. {{storylink|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}}

===IDW movie comics===
[[File:Defiance1 Cliffjumper Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Ya-ya know? I like you Bumblebee. I think you are alright" *hic*]]

Many, many years ago, Cliffjumper and his look-alike [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] guarded the [[AllSpark]] at [[Simfur]] from nothing in particular. Cliffjumper tried to get his bored friend to calm down when the yellow guy got anxious from just sitting around. Cliffjumper pointed out that, even though they were [[Defense Force]] material, they'd be just as bored in the Defense Force, just doing patrols. If anything, they should relax and let the action come to them.

Cliffjumper rather regretted his words, as [[Ejoornian|hostile aliens]] attacked Cybertron, and the pair were quickly pinned down under heavy fire. Relief finally came in the form of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], who quickly [[Slag (slang)|slagged]] several of the attacking craft. Megatron proceeded to berate the two Autobots for not doing a better job and not taking the fight to the enemy, but received a bad wound from the attackers. When [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] arrived, Megatron told him to keep [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]]'s team out of their way. {{storylink|Defiance issue 1|Defiance #1}}

After the battle, a panicky Bumblebee knew something ''big'' was coming, though Cliffjumper thought that they wouldn't have anything to do with it anyway, as they're only supposed to stand guard at the [[Simfur Temple|temple]]. [[Prowl (Movie)|Prowl]] and [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] came to investigate the attack on the temple, and Cliffjumper reported that they didn't notice any unusual activity from the AllSpark during the battle. Later, presumably all the security personnel were present at the meeting where Optimus asked them not to follow Megatron into war. {{storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}}

After Megatron discovered that Optimus, Prowl and Jazz had been snooping about in his quarters, he sent Cliffjumper and Bumblebee along with other expendable security officers under Prowl's command to arrest Optimus on trumped-up charges of treason. What the officers didn't know was they were all marked for death, and on the trip to [[Trypticon (Movie)|Trypticon]], the group was attacked by soldiers loyal to Megatron. The group managed to escape to [[Burthov]] while Optimus stayed behind long enough to defeat the would-be assassins. {{storylink|Defiance issue 3|Defiance #3}}

In the wastes of Burthov, Cliffjumper got the drop on the disenfranchised solder [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], who had quit Megatron's army in disgust. A brief standoff ensued where Ironhide was confident that his abundant weaponry would ensure Cliffjumper would not harm him, but the younger 'bot noted the cannons were all Ironhide had, and suddenly, his confederates sprung out of the ground to surround the old soldier. Ironhide wasn't in the mood to fight anyway, so the rebels took him to see Optimus '''Prime'''. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}} Cliffjumper was in a crowd of Autobots waiting for Optimus Prime's orders after the Decepticons launched the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'' into space. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} Sometime later, with the war reaching its peak, Optimus Prime made the decision to capture the AllSpark and launch it into deep space, hopefully sparing Cybertron further devastation and giving his Autobots the breathing room they required. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}} {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}} Cliffjumper was a crew member of [[Ark (Movie)|Optimus's starship]] when it left Cybertron in pursuit of the AllSpark. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 1|The Reign of Starscream #1}}

Cliffjumper had returned to Cybertron some time before the year [[1908]], where he participated in a mission to steal [[energon]] from the now Decepticon-controlled Trypticon. His team was ambushed by [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]]'s troops, and though Cliffjumper himself was shot in the chest by Shockwave, he lived to retreat and regroup. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}}

[[File:ReignofStarscream3 Cliffjumper hyah.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|left|Hyoh!]]

After the death of Megatron and the destruction of the AllSpark, Cliffjumper was part of an Autobot assault team on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] under the command of [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]]. Together with his teammates, he attacked the Starscream's landed Decepticon starship. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 2|The Reign of Starscream #2}} Cliffjumper and the others made short work of the [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]], [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]], and [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]] drones that the Decepticons sent against them, but were unprepared for [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]]'s sonic weaponry. Cliffjumper and [[Camshaft (Movie)|Camshaft]] attempted to provide cover for [[Smokescreen (Movie)|Smokescreen]] to evacuate the fallen [[Air Raid (Movie)|Air Raid]], but Thundercracker killed Camshaft and wounded Cliffjumper. Saved from certain doom by Arcee, Cliffjumper turned the tides on the Decepticon, only to be shot in the back by Starscream. Arcee attempted to evacuate her wounded comrade, but was struck down by Starscream instead, leaving Cliffjumper's future looking grim. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 3|The Reign of Starscream #3}} However, [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] only found two dead Autobots and not four so he may have gotten better! {{storylink|Convergence chapter 4}}

{{note|Unlike the other Autobots who were clearly shown to have been killed, Cliffjumper's status was ambiguous in the actual fiction. [[Chris Mowry]] says he survived, however.<ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/mowry-73165.html#vmessage168039</ref> [[John Barber]] sneakily alluded to it years later for "Convergence".}}
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===Toy bios===
[[File:Cliffjumpermoviepackagingart.jpg|thumb|Like [[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]], but sooner.]]
The Autobots depend on the brazen Cliffjumper to make the more collected of their enemies so angry that they mess up their own plans. At one point, Cliffjumper targeted [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], who—while physically Cliffjumper's equal or better—became extremely annoyed by the fact he could not match Cliffjumper's skill at insults. {{storylink|#Legends class toys|Cliffjumper Vs Recon Barricade}}

If [[Dead End (ROTF)|Dead End]] and Cliffjumper weren't on opposite sides, they would get along swimmingly—because they're both dysfunctional jerks. As it happens, the extent of their interpersonal relationship involves Dead End trying to creep the short-tempered Cliffjumper out, which typically ends with Dead End getting punched in the face. {{storylink|#Titanium Series|Cliffjumper and Dead End}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark'' (3DS)===
{{Note|Cliffjumper appears in the [[Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (3DS)|Rise of the Dark Spark]] game for Nintendo 3DS as a support unit. Equipping him allows all Earth Autobots to have their Endurance stats increased by 1.}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (3DS)|Rise of the Dark Spark}}

==Toys==
===Transformers (2007)===
====Legends Class toys====
{{anchor|Allspark2pack}}
[[File:TF-2007-Allspark-Battles-Legends-Class-Cliffjumper.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Where's my gun?]]
*'''Cliffjumper Vs Recon Barricade''' (Legends multi-pack, 2007)
:Released as part of the ''AllSpark Battles'' assortment, [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Cliffjumper is a [[redeco]] of Legends Bumblebee. His [[alternate mode]] is a fully licensed 1976 Chevrolet Camaro cast in red plastic with silver racing stripes on his hood. As part of the ''AllSpark Battles'' assortment, he came packed with Legends Class [[Barricade (Movie)|Recon Barricade]], a redeco of the previously released Legends Class Barricade. Even though the packaging for the two-pack features the same elements as the ''[[AllSpark Power]]'' [[subline imprint]], the packaging doesn't explicitly identify it as part of ''AllSpark Power''.
{{anchor|LOC}}
*'''Cliffjumper''' (Legends Class, 2008)
:An individually packaged release of the Legends class toy, available in European, Asian and Australasian markets instead of the AllSpark Battles two-pack.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/LegendsCliffjumper/cliffjumper.htm More information on Legends Cliffjumper at TFU.info]
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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[File:Movie Cliffjumper Deluxe.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|First is yellow, now is red, next is [[Bug Bite (G1)|white!]]]]
*'''Cliffjumper''' (Deluxe Class, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Blaster cannon/blade
:As part of the ''[[AllSpark Power]]'' refresh of the movie toyline, Cliffjumper is once again a red and silver Bumblebee redeco, this time of the Deluxe Camaro Concept Bumblebee toy and, naturally, transforms into the {{w|Fifth-generation Chevrolet Camaro|concept vehicle for the 2009 Chevrolet Camaro}}. He features two [[Automorph Technology|Automorphing]] gimmicks during transformation: ''(a)'' swinging his hood down into [[robot mode]] position also moves his arms up and ''(b)'', swinging his feet down will move the rear fenders up and behind his calves, as well as swinging the rear windows to his inner calves in a spring-loaded action.

:Cliffjumper comes with a plasma cannon that he can hold in either hand. For added play value, the cannon can Automorph into an energy blade by opening up the halves of the gun barrel and swinging them back. Care should be taken when removing the cannon from Cliffjumper's hands, as excessive force can damage the wrist ball joint socket.

:Contrary to popular opinion, the red pieces on the back of Cliffjumper's feet are ''not'' supposed to be heel spurs, and they have ''not'' been mis-assembled. They are supposed to fold up to emulate the detail found on the CGI design for Bumblebee.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Cliffjumper/cliffjumper.htm More information on Deluxe Cliffjumper at TFU.info]
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====Cyber Slammers====
{{anchor|CybSlam}}
[[File:Movie CyberSlammers Cliffjumper.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|This is Red Turbo Ranger, I'm rollin' out!]]
*'''Cliffjumper''' (Cyber Slammer, 2007)
:Part of the fourth wave of [[Cyber Slammers]] toys, Cliffjumper is (natch) a redeco of the concept-Camaro Cyber Slammer Bumblebee. He has motorized action: When you push down on the car, it zooms forward and slowly pops into robot mode!

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/CySlamCliffjumper/cliffjumper.htm More information on Cyber Slammers Cliffjumper at TFU.info]
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===Bumblebee===
*'''Cliffjumper''' (Speed Series, 2018)
:Speed Series Cliffjumper is a redeco of [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Energon Igniters|Bumblebee]], transforming from robot into a licensed Volkswagen Beetle in just a few steps, and he features 3 mm compatible hands. Cliffjumper can also be attached to the Energon Igniters core, and due to the toy being lightweight, it can propel his vehicle mode forward very quickly. As the port is 5 mm compatible, Cliffjumper can mount other weapons with the same post size, making him an efficient weapon-towing vehicle. Due to being used for transformation, he features a pair of well-articulated legs, as long you don't mind the Energon Igniters port sticking out from his left knee. As with Bumblebee, Cliffjumper doesn't have any Autobot insignias tampographed or sculpted on.

:As a redeco, Cliffjumper's toy is inaccurate to his brief appearance in the movie, and instead continues the legacy from his 2008 toy.
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==Merchandise==
===3D Battle-Card Game===
[[File:3DCard-Cliffjumper.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He'd have jumped that cliff if he hadn't swerved.]]
*'''Cliffjumper''' (3D Battle-Card, 2007)
**''Card number'': '''2'''
:Cliffjumper is a 31-point "Common" piece in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]]. Constructed of punch-out pieces from randomly packed plastic cards (two full robots per pack), he can be assembled into his car mode (resembling a BMW Z4) or into a rather stumpy robot mode. One of his blaster-weapons is held in his right hand, the other can mount on either shoulder.

:He uses the same construction as the [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] and [[Smokescreen (Movie)|Smokescreen]] cards. This style is similar to the one used by [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], [[Earth]]-mode [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], and [[Swerve (Movie)|Swerve]].

:Amusingly enough, Cliffjumper's 3D card [[robot mode]] is clearly designed after ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]], though with a few movie-aesthetic concessions thrown in, mostly in the look of the feet. It's ''exceedingly'' likely the names of the two cards got mixed up, as card-game Swerve bears more than a passing resemblance to Bumblebee (and by extension, ''every other version'' of movie Cliffjumper).

:His card art was done by [[Lucio Parrillo]].
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===Robot Heroes===
[[File:Movie RobotHeroes BestBuy Cliffjumper OptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Dance, red boy, DANCE!]]
*'''Cliffjumper and Optimus Prime''' (Robot Heroes, 2007)
:''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' Cliffjumper is a redeco of the first-wave Bumblebee figurine, a non-transforming, super-cute rendition of the character. Originally [[exclusive]] to the Best Buy USA release of the [[Transformers (film)/home video|movie DVD release]], along with a battle-damaged version of ''Robot Heroes'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], Cliffjumper later saw a wider release as part of the 2009 [[blindpacking|blind-packed]] series of ''Robot Heroes''.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2007/Autobot/BestBuyCliffjumper/cliffjumper.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Cliffjumper at TFU.info]''
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===Titanium Series===
[[File:ROTF-toy CliffjumperTitanium.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Wow. He really let himself go after the AllSpark Battles.]]
*'''Cliffjumper & Dead End''' (Two-pack, 2009)
**''Accessories'': Autobot symbol display stand
:A red and black redeco of [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Titanium Series|Bumblebee]] (in his '76 Camaro form), ''[[Titanium Series]]'' Cliffjumper is a non-transforming figurine made of plastic and [[die-cast]] metal. He is sculpted wielding a forearm-mounted weapon, and has articulation in his shoulders, neck and waist. Oh, and he comes with a movie-style Autobot logo base to stand on.
:He was only available in a [[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]-[[exclusive]] two-pack with [[Dead End (ROTF)#Titanium Series|Dead End]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TitCliffjumper/cliffjumper.htm More information on ''Titanium Series'' Cliffjumper at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[File:MovieCGCliffjumper.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|One bee, two bee, red bee, blue bee.]]
*An early [[Industrial Light & Magic|ILM]] test animatic (first seen in Circuit City-exclusive web content, later in the "bonus" section of the official movie website) of Bumblebee in battle had 'Bee facing off against [[Stinger (AOE)|a red doppelganger]]. Hmmmm.
*With three toys, a [[Titanium Series|Titanium]] figurine, a [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]] figurine, and a Battle-Card, Cliffjumper has '''by far''' the most merchandise for a ''Transformers'' movie character not actually appearing IN the film. However, the increased popularity of Bumblebee prevented any further Cliffjumper redecos of Bumblebee toys from the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' lines (with the exception of the ''Titanium'' figure), leading instead to a slew of increasingly insane same-character-in-slightly-varied-colors redecos of Bumblebee. Cliffjumper would eventually make his return to the movieverse in ''Bumblebee''.
*Furthermore, between his various toys, he shares two different Camaro [[alternate mode]]s with Bumblebee. Is this supposed to imply that in a toy-only [[micro-continuity]], he undergoes ''exactly'' the same upgrade from a 1976 Chevrolet Camaro into a modern Camaro concept vehicle?
*Cover A of [[The Reign of Starscream issue 5]] by [[Alex Milne]] depicts Cliffjumper among the Autobots in an Earth mode body based on his Deluxe Class toy, despite the fact he never made it to Earth and doesn't even appear in this issue.
*Sticking to the trend, Cliffjumper's design in ''Bumblebee'' is a repaint of Bumblebee's Cybertronian form with a Generation 1 [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Generation 1 styled head]].
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==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.wizards.com/transformers/ 3D Battle Card Game at Wizards of the Coast]
*[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Cliffjumper/cliffjumper.htm Cliffjumper at TFU.info]

[[Category:3D Battle-Cards]]
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Skywarp (Movie)

2018-12-24T23:32:12Z

Jman98: /* Bumblebee film */

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:''Skywarp is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Rotf_skywarp_titan.jpg|thumb|350px|Edward Weaponhands.]]

'''Skywarp''' isn't like most of the other Decepticons. He cares not for power, conquest, or battle. Knowledge is the one goal he has in his life. Others can fight the war themselves, as he is far more comfortable in the solitude of the workspace provided by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. For the generous gift of peace and near unlimited time to research, he develops countless experimental weapons and tools for the Decepticons. Although a scientist, Skywarp is far from unarmed, and is equipped with many weapons that are both insanely powerful and nearly impossible to describe.<ref>''Revenge of the Fallen'' Voyager Class Starscream package bio</ref>

==Fiction==
===Movies===
{{note|The six movies are the primary component of the live-action movie continuity family. Their events should be taken as canon for all other pieces of fiction listed below, unless otherwise specified.}}
====''Bumblebee'' film====
{{spoiler|Bumblebee (film)|January 21, 2019}}
[[File:BBfilm-Shockwave-orders-Seekers-to-destroy-launchpad.jpeg|thumb|300px]]
Skywarp was among the Seeker hordes under the command of [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]]. He took part in an attack on the launch pad to prevent the Autobots from evacuating Cybertron. {{storylink|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}}

===Titan movie comics===
[[File:Rotf skywarp supervises devastator.jpg|left|thumb|275px|They would never guess from looking at this comic panel that Devastator can't walk on two legs!]]
Skywarp was supervising the reconstruction of the critically damaged [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]]. The job was going well at a remote site in the mountains of [[British Columbia]], hidden from sight by an artificial cloud bank, until the Autobot [[Stratosphere]] stumbled across Skywarp's [[Purple generic drone|crew]] while on a routine patrol. When the Autobot Hotshot made a frontal attack on the construction site, Skywarp easily dodged his shots and easily took him down with a single well-placed kick. While standing over him to deliver a kill shot, however, Skywarp miscalculated something important and was clobbered by one of Stratosphere's wings when the Autobot rolled himself over. With Skywarp dazed for a moment, Stratosphere was able to radio in a request for an air-strike to [[NEST]], but Skywarp deemed them more lambs to the slaughter, touting his aerial superiority as he transformed to jet mode and came swooping back around for an attack. Stratosphere opted for a craftier tactic and turned the device generating the cloud bank around, blinding Skywarp with a face-full of vapor and causing him to crash. The [[NEST]] air-strike arrived soon after, and Skywarp was taken into custody. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.14|Head in the Clouds}} However, he escaped their jail in [[South Africa]] when [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]] staged his great escape. Skywarp joined his breakaway Decepticon paramilitary. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.13|Inside Out}}

{{note|"Head in the Clouds" reads like it was meant to go '''before''' "Inside Out" despite the story being released '''after''' it: Bludgeon had nothing to do with Devastator's resurrection.}}

[[File:Titan16_skywarpOWW.jpg|thumb|300px|Remember kids, lighting farts is never a good idea.]]
An unknown amount of time later, Skywarp was sent to meet the Autobot [[Blazemaster]] and invite the hot-headed psycho to join the Decepticons, proving himself to be quite the chatty chappy. Despite the Autobot's refusal, Skywarp told him to just live with the fact that he had all the credentials to be a murderous villain. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.16|Turn and Burn}}

Skywarp later took part in an ambush on Autobot/NEST forces in [[Russia]] alongside [[Thrust (Movie)|Thrust]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.20|Divided Loyalties}} After [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] took down Bludgeon, Skywarp was either killed or recaptured by NEST. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.21|A Short, Sharp Lesson}}

====Letters page====
Skywarp and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] were old colleagues in the [[Seeker (Movie)|Seekers]] and Starscream wanted to reunite with him. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|#9's Star Screams}}
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===IDW movie comics===
[[File:Skywarpflieswithstarscreamdefiance1.jpeg|thumb|left|upright=2.0]]
Many years ago, Skywarp was a member of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s [[Defense Force]] under the command of Protector Megatron. When a [[The Fallen|mysterious relic]] was uncovered, aliens from the [[Eshems Nebula]] attacked, leveling much of the city of [[Metrotitan (ROTF)|Metrotitan]]. Skywarp was among the forces deployed to defend their home. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 1|Defiance #1}} Following this outrageous attack on their sovereignty, Megatron used this to declare a military dictatorship and led the flight-capable soldiers in a bloody counterattack on the aliens. {{storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}}

Skywarp then joined Starscream and the other Decepticons to capture Optimus. When [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] thwarted Megatron's plans to capture him, Megatron declared them traitors and civil war erupted across Cybertron. Skywarp joined Megatron's Decepticon faction. {{storylink|Defiance issue 3|Defiance #3}}

===''Unite for the Universe''===
When [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] used the [[Project Unite|Unite]] process to power himself up and take command of the Decepticons, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] moved in to stop the usurper, but since he wasn't an idiot, he had backup standing by. This proved to be a smart move, as [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and a squad of Autobots moved in to not only stop Starscream but to keep Megatron from learning the secrets of Unite himself. While the two leaders tussled, Skywarp, [[Hailstorm (TF 2010)|Hailstorm]], [[Insecticon (Movie)|Insecticon]], and [[Terradive (TF 2010)|Terradive]] moved in to handle the other Autobots. When Starscream attacked them for interfering, Skywarp glibly announced that they had orders to return fire as necessary. They all retreated when Starscream was neutralized and the Unite components fried beyond recovery by [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]. {{storylink|The Strongest Weapon}}

==Games==
===Transformers: Human Alliance===
Skywarp engaged Optimus Prime and [[NEST]] during a Decepticon assault on a city in the West Coast of the United States. He briefly managed to outmaneuver the Autobot leader in battle using his teleportation powers. With the help of the player, Optimus was able to defeat and kill Skywarp.
{{storylink|Transformers: Human Alliance}}

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
[[File:Skywarp ROTF Voyager toy.jpg|thumb|300px|He'd push Starscream down some stairs, if his fingers didn't explode every time he tried.]]
*'''Skywarp''' (Voyager Class, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' 6 missiles

:''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Skywarp is a Walmart [[exclusive]] [[redeco]] of ''[[Transformers (2007 toyline)|Transformers]]'' [[Thundercracker (Movie)#Toys|Thundercracker]], who was a retool of the original Voyager Class [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys|Starscream]] toy with a new head. Cast in black and purple plastic homaging Generation 1 [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], he transforms into a {{w|F-22|Lockheed-Martin F-22 Raptor}} fighter jet. As with Starscream, this vehicle mode is ridiculously inaccurate. Pushing the fighter along a smooth surface causes the barrels of his gigantic spring-loaded Gatling missile launchers to rotate and fire their projectiles, which can also be stored in the black flip-up braces on the launchers.

:During transformation, pushing up upon the canopy fuselage piece activates Skywarp's [[Automorph Technology|Automorphing]] gimmick which pushes certain panels, wings and stabilizers out of the torso. In robot mode, his projectile missiles are sculpted to vaguely resemble fingers, should users choose to keep them loaded while Skywarp is in robot mode.

:The original mold of this toy was also used to make ''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Ramjet (Movie)|Ramjet]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/WMSkywarp/skywarp.htm More information on Skywarp at TFU.info]''

===Dark of the Moon===
[[File:DOTM MechTech Deluxe Skywarp.jpg|thumb|300px|Gentlemen, behold! Swords on a stick!]]

*'''Skywarp''' (MechTech Deluxe Class, [[2011]]-[[August 13|08-13]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DD10'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 MechTech Guns/Swords

:''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Skywarp is a TakaraTomy-exclusive redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' [[MechTech]] Deluxe [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 2|Starscream]]. His incredibly flexible arms have joints at the shoulder, in the middle of the upper arm, elbow, and wrist, allowing them to neatly fold up for transformation, as well as scratch his own back.
[[File:DOTM-Skywarp-PreliminaryDeco.jpg|left|thumb|200px]]
:He comes with two [[MechTech]] weapons, with one weapon being static and the other being functional. Both weapons are double-sided, featuring a gun barrel (which looks like a machine-gun barrel) on one side and a "sword" on the other. Pushing forward the scope on the functional weapon will cause the sword weapon to extend, increasing its reach. The peg and gun barrel on the static weapon correspond to the peghole and the hole of the scope of the functional weapon, meaning his guns can combine to form a double bladed weapon that's way taller than he is. This means that he is one of the few Deluxe figures to have a MechTech weapon that can remain locked in both modes.

:This mold was also used to make ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Thundercracker (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Thundercracker]]. The prototype display seen at [[HasCon 2017]] depicts him having a different paint scheme.

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==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Skywarp''' (スカイワープ ''Sukaiwāpu'')

==See also==
* [[Seeker Sniper]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

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Starscream (Movie)

2018-12-24T23:31:40Z

Jman98: /* Bumblebee film */

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:''Starscream is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:RevengeOfTheFallenStarscream.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|I got yer AllSpark, ''right here''.]]
'''Starscream''' is a hero on the wrong side. Over the centuries he's come to believe both [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] have lost sight of what is best for the Cybertronian race, and simply pursue their own agendas. At some point, he came to the decision that, for the good of the species, a new leader must emerge, and he would be that leader. However, over time, he became as corrupt in his own way as Megatron, although he prefers subtlety and deception to Megatron's brute force. Now, what may once have been noble goals are buried under layers of self-interest, transforming Starscream into that which he supposedly despised.

{{quote|Truly the universe favors those who persist.|Starscream|''[[Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday|Ghosts of Yesterday]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Movies===
{{note|The six movies are the primary component of the live-action movie continuity family. Their events should be taken as canon for all other pieces of fiction listed below, unless otherwise specified.}}
====''Bumblebee'' film====
{{spoiler|Bumblebee (film)|January 21, 2019}}
[[File:BBfilm-Shockwave-orders-Seekers-to-destroy-launchpad.jpeg|thumb|300px]]
Starscream was among the Seeker hordes under the command of [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]]. He took part in an attack on the launch pad to prevent the Autobots from evacuating Cybertron. {{storylink|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}}
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}}}}

====''Transformers'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[Charlie Adler]] (English), [[Tadashi Miyazawa]] (Japan)|[[Gong Ge'er]] (Chinese), [[José Sant'anna]] (Brazil), [[Axel Lutter]] (German), [[Luigi Scribani]] (Italian), [[Andrés García]] (Latin American Spanish)}}

[[File:Movie2007 Starscream HooverDam.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|Starscream without the [[null-ray]]?! But... how can the fans possibly ''survive'' such a wanton desecration of their childhoods??]]

Starscream was lying in wait at a [[United States military|US]] air base when covert agent [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] reported that the [[AllSpark]] had been located, along with Megatron, underneath [[Hoover Dam]]. Though he had long feared this day would come, Starscream ordered the rest of the Decepticons to mobilize. The others responded, with Blackout rallying in the name of Megatron.

[[File:Starscreammovieheadshot.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's a bird! It's a plane! It's... a bird-legged freak that transforms into a plane!]]

The first to arrive, Starscream attacked the hydroelectric power plant attached to the dam to cause havoc to [[Sector Seven|Sector Seven's]] operations and to speed the thawing of Megatron. With Frenzy's sabotage, Megatron quickly broke free of his icy restraints and escaped the facility. He almost immediately met with the waiting Starscream, who repledged his loyalty to Megatron. Demanding to know what had happened to the AllSpark, Megatron was told by his [[second-in-command]] that it was now in the possession of the humans. Furious, Megatron berated his lieutenant for yet another failure. What a warm reunion.

During the assault on a [[Mission City|nearby city]], Starscream fooled [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox's]] unit by posing as an {{w|F-22 Raptor}} providing cover. Starscream launched an attack that crippled [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] as [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] realized too late who the fighter really was. As [[Sam Witwicky]] ran with the AllSpark, Starscream swooped down, blocking his path, only to be attacked by both Ironhide and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]. After fighting without much effort, but still besting them, Starscream took to the skies again, instead of securing the AllSpark from the now-defenseless Sam.

[[File:Starscreammoviestillrobot.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|How do you feel, mighty traffic? Yah!]]

While Megatron attempted to retrieve the AllSpark from Sam, Starscream perched on nearby buildings and shot down an Army Blackhawk helicopter when it attempted to help the human evacuate the Cube. Eventually, real F-22 Raptors from the US Air Force arrived, and Starscream disguised himself. Pretending to be a part of their squadron, Starscream surprised the human pilots by transforming in mid-air and destroying three of the Raptors before he was fired upon. He transformed back into his disguise and fled, and was not seen in the closing moments of the battle between Optimus Prime and Megatron. (Or was he?)

[[File:Starscream bails.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb|I will rule the sequel, Megatron! Even if I am the only one ''in'' the sequel!]]

Most of the Decepticons were defeated, and their bodies cast into the deepest part of the ocean. Ultimately, Starscream retreated from Earth to parts—and with intentions—unknown. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

{{note|Starscream's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels ''[[Transformers (novel)|Transformers]]'', ''[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]]'', and ''[[The Quest for the AllSpark]]''; the ''[[Transformers: Movie Adaptation]]'' and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics; the activity book "[[Look and Find Transformers]]"; and the storybooks "[[Optimus Prime Versus Megatron]]", "[[Transformers (interactive Play-a-Sound Storybook)|Transformers Play-a-Sound]]", "[[Meet the Decepticons]]", "[[Transformers Mix & Match]]", and "[[Transformers: The Movie Storybook]]".}}

====''Revenge of the Fallen'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[Charlie Adler]] (English), [[Tadashi Miyazawa]] (Japanese)|[[Gong Ge'er]] (Chinese), [[José Sant'anna]] (Portuguese), [[Axel Lutter]] (German), [[Luigi Scribani]] (Italian), [[Germán Fabregat]] (Latin American-Spanish)}}

[[File:ROTF Megatron choke Starscream.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"We really shouldn't fight in front of the chil—" "SHUT UP!"]]
Starscream was unconcerned with reviving his leader Megatron, choosing to spend his time as acting commander on the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'' engineering a new army. His plan was failing miserably, as without [[energon]] the [[hatchling]]s were dying. After [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] successfully executed his plan to resurrect Megatron, Starscream (who may or may not have known of said plan) attempted to welcome his commander with open arms, only to be criticized for leaving him for dead. Starscream defended his actions by saying [[The Fallen]] decreed the spawning of a new army, and that in Megatron's absence, someone had to take command. This was a bad choice of words on Starscream's part, as Megatron slammed him into a hatchling sack and told him the simple truth: even in death, there is no command greater than Megatron's.

Megatron noted the plight of the hatchlings though, and sought the advice of the Fallen, whom Starscream had kept on life support, on another source of energon now that the [[AllSpark]] was destroyed. The Fallen revealed there was another source, and that the key to attaining it was through the boy who had killed Megatron. But first, The Fallen commanded that they kill [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], the last of the [[Dynasty of Primes]], so that he would be safe. Since Optimus would come to protect Sam, it would be a simple matter to capture him. Starscream arrived and announced that they had [[Alice|an agent]] within sight of the boy. He was eager to get that energon, as the hatchlings would keep dying without it.

[[File:ROTF Starscream Sam Mikaela.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Damn things are everywhere.]]
Starscream aided in [[Sam Witwicky]]'s capture by cutting open the car [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] had captured him in, and watched as Megatron and [[Scalpel (ROTF)|Scalpel]] threatened to dissect him for the information in his mind from the AllSpark regarding the energon source. Optimus and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] arrived to rescue Sam: Starscream let Megatron do most of the fighting in the factory, before Optimus blasted him through the wall and drove off with Sam to a forest.

[[File:ROTF Prime Starscream arm.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"MY ARM!" "Oh, you want it back? HERE!"]]
Starscream arrived, immediately going for the boy, but Prime ran interference, grabbing Starscream, suplexing him, and kicking off part of his mouth, leading the three Decepticons to gang up on him. Surprisingly, it went quite poorly for the Decepticons: Prime was able to take on all three, using Starscream as a shield and sending his artillery flying at Grindor. After knocking out Megatron, Optimus ripped off Starscream's right arm. Starscream could only cry out in pain and horror as Optimus then used it as a club against the Decepticon. Although Optimus managed to kill Grindor, Megatron eventually managed to kill Optimus, but before they could retrieve Sam, the rest of the Autobots arrived while Bumblebee spirited Sam away. Megatron and Starscream were forced to retreat.

[[File:ROTF movie MegatronStarscream roofchat.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|25 years later and I'm still your punching bag!]]

Starscream and Megatron flew to the top of a [[New York City]] skyscraper, where Starscream revealed that they had lost track of the boy. Megatron berated Starscream and hit him with the detached arm he was trying to stick in, furious that he lost track of a single insect. Starscream countered that there were seven billion insects on the planet, and that he could be anywhere at this point. Megatron decided to reveal the Decepticons' presence to the world: Starscream stood openly atop a skyscraper during the rejuvenated Fallen's announcement to the world.

After Soundwave learned that the boy was in [[Egypt]], Starscream flew to investigate. Locating the boy, he fired upon Bumblebee, [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]], who had Sam, [[Mikaela Banes]], [[Leo Spitz]] and [[Seymour Simmons]] as their passengers, bombing them to no avail. Bumblebee, Simmons, Leo, and the Twins drew Starscream's fire while Sam and Mikaela fled to the NEST soldiers. During his flyby of the NEST team, he released an electromagnetic pulse that took out the humans' communications, but saw Prime's body. Meeting Megatron atop the pyramid which hid the harvester, Starscream informed Megatron of his discovery, and Megatron ordered the [[Operation: Firestorm|assault]] to begin.

[[File:ROTF Starscream grab.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|Ceiling Seeker is watching you masturbate. And he will no longer tolerate it.]]

As Sam and Mikaela tried to reach Optimus to revive him with the [[Matrix of Leadership]], Starscream led several [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicons]] and [[Protoform]]s in a search for Sam. It wasn't going very well, to the point that Starscream started shooting the ground in anger. An [[Insecticon (Movie)|Insecticon]] managed to find them, and Starscream tore the roof off the building they were in and fired at them as they jumped off another building, but the two humans managed to lose them again. Starscream then took to the sky to locate them, and ordered [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] to hold Sam's parents [[Ron Witwicky|Ron]] and [[Judy Witwicky|Judy]] for ransom: Sam was ready to exchange the Matrix, but Bumblebee rescued them and killed Rampage. Starscream was unable to search for Sam any longer and was soon drawn into the battle with [[NEST]], joining his comrades in firing on them.

[[File:ROTF Starscream cowards survive.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Not to call you a coward-Oh heck, you are a coward!"]]
Starscream avoided the carpet bombing which killed many other Decepticons, and watched from afar as Optimus was resurrected by the Matrix. Although the Fallen obtained the Matrix and activated his star harvester, the last of the Primes combined with [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]], killed the Fallen and destroyed the harvester. Starscream went to the wounded Megatron, who had lost his right arm and had half his face blown off thanks to Optimus Prime. Starscream advised his master that they should flee (cowards do survive after all), something that Megatron acknowledged, but asserted it wasn't over. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen (film)}}

{{note|Starscream's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'', ''[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Junior Novel]]'', and ''[[The Last Prime]]''; the comic mini-series ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Official Movie Adaptation]]''; and the storybooks "[[I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)|I Am Optimus Prime]]", "[[When Robots Attack!]]", "[[Rise of the Decepticons]]", "[[Ratchet to the Rescue]]", "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Electronic Voice Changer]]" and "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Mix & Match]]".}}

====''Dark of the Moon'' film====
{{voiceactor|[[Charlie Adler]] (English), [[Tadashi Miyazawa]] (Japanese)|[[Gong Ge'er]] (Chinese), [[Germán Fabregat]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Axel Lutter]] (German), [[Luigi Scribani]] (Italian)}}
[[File:Megatron and Starscream.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Megatron and Starscream in the ridiculous curse of Bobby Langurel.]]
Oh, how it pained Starscream to see his poor master Megatron in such a weak, damaged state at Decepticon High Command in Africa when he arrived back from an unknown venture. Megatron told Starscream to stuff it, and that he only knew what he was told. Starscream watched as [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]] reported to Megatron that the Autobots had discovered the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' on the planet's moon and returned with an unknown, special cargo.

[[File:Starscreaminorbit.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Ceiling Seeker is now Orbital Seeker.]]
Later in Washington, D.C., as [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] summoned a Decepticon army to Earth via Space Bridge, Starscream was surprised to learn that Sentinel had been leaving to defect all those many years ago. He noted the brilliance in Megatron's scheme, and asked if Sentinel was now his partner, and Megatron retorted that Sentinel was his greatest triumph, and explained that they had intended to meet up on Earth, but both were waylaid by fate. Later, the Autobots were forced by the humans into exile by Sentinel's demand, and their ship, the ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]'', departed Earth with them inside. Starscream, lying in wait for the moment high up in the Earth's atmosphere, swooped in for the kill, destroying the ship and presumably all eleven Autobots on board.

[[File:DOTM - StarscreamSaw.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|The film is in 3D? Great! Now I can kill real life humans!]] Starscream subsequently helped take [[Chicago]] for the Decepticons, and stood by his leader as they worked on their plan to bring Cybertron itself into Earth's atmosphere with Sentinel's Space Bridge. When the still-alive Autobots made an attack with NEST, he attacked the V-22 Ospreys carrying [[William Lennox|Lennox's]] team as they tried to sneak into Chicago using wing suits. Although Starscream took out most of the aircraft, Lennox and many soldiers managed to jump to safety. Later in the battle, Starscream took several potshots at [[Robert Epps|Epps]]'s team, separating [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] and [[Carly Spencer|Carly]] from the soldiers.

[[File:Dotm Starscream BOOM.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I know I don't have a head, but can I still become a ghost?]]

Relishing a chance to be alone with the fleshling once again, Starscream mocked and toyed with the human while trying to kill him. However Sam had a [[grapple glove|grappling hook]] from [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que]] on hand, and fired it into Starscream's optic, partially and painfully blinding the Decepticon. Starscream flailed around in pain, causing Sam to fly through a building window. Then Lennox's team arrived and began firing on him. As he tried to return fire, Sam jumped onto his shoulder and stabbed a boomstick into his remaining optic, fully blinding him. Starscream began losing it, screaming in pain and panic as he tried scraping it out of his eye on the ground. Lennox attempted to free Sam from the grappling wire, but the panicked Starscream flew up to the top of a nearby building, taking them both with him. As he swore to kill the humans, the boomstick went off, blowing Starscream's head and chest apart. His lifeless body fell to the ground in pieces while Lennox and Sam were saved from the fall by [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

{{note|In an earlier draft of the movie's script, Starscream was originally meant to be the one who had shot down the Ark, but he was replaced by the [[Orbital Assault Carrier]] in the final movie (unless he had an alternate mode similar to those carriers), the alternate beginning for ''Dark of the Moon'' is used in the novelization and Foundation. Starscream was also originally meant to kill [[Mirage (Movie)|Dino/Mirage]].}}

{{note|Starscream's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (novel)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]'', and ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel]]''; the ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation]]'' and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics; and the storybooks "[[Autobots Versus Decepticons]]", "[[Optimus Prime's Friends and Foes]]," "[[The Lost Autobot]]," "[[Dark of the Moon: Action Pop-ups!]]", and "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Mix & Match]]".}}

====''Age of Extinction'' film====
Five years after the Battle of Chicago, Starscream was listed as "deceased" by the CIA taskforce "[[Cemetery Wind]]". {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}

====''The Last Knight'' film====
[[File:TF-TLK-Megatron-the-end-is-near-my-old-treacherous-friend.jpg|upright=1.55|thumb|"Alas, poor Starscream. I knew him, Nitro. Now he knows how Bludgeon felt [[Unite for the Universe issue 1|that one time]]."]]
Starscream's head had been recovered at some point from the wreckage of Chicago, ending up all the way in Buffalo, NY. It ended up among a number of items peddled by [[Daytrader]] to the Autobots at [[Cade Yeager|Cade Yeager's]] [[Junkyard (TLK)|junkyard]]. When revealing his acquisition, Daytrader manipulated Starscream's mouth to match his words like a puppet. However, Cade just shoved Starscream's head aside.

During the Deception raid on the junkyard, Megatron found Starscream's head. Megatron commented that the end was near and he wished that his old treacherous friend could see it. Upon coming under attack by [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]], Megatron dropped Starscream's head and left it in the junkyard when he left. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}

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===Novels===
====''Ghosts of Yesterday''====
Starscream had ascended to Decepticon leadership in the absence of their former lord, and though he had to ''seem'' to carry on the long search for the lost Megatron and the [[AllSpark]] to keep his position as leader, his greatest hope was that Megatron would NEVER be found. Some loyal Decepticons, especially [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], strongly suspected this and sought to frustrate Starscream's species-serving plans. [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] buddied up with him, but he did like to trick people. [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] hated him, but one shouldn't really read too much into that. [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]'s opinions are unknown, but Frenzy's a complete lunatic and nobody cared what the pet thought.

During a search of an abandoned solar system, the ''[[Nemesis (Movie)|Nemesis]]'' came across ''[[Ghost 1|a vessel]]'' that bore a resemblance to Megatron's [[alternate mode]]. Starscream went to investigate it, intending to destroy it. After chasing off [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], he communicated with the creatures aboard the vessel, who called themselves [[human]]s. Starscream claimed that his people once lived with the [[Autobot]]s, and that their treacherous leader, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], started a war for the AllSpark. The humans told him of a robotic creature that they had found on their world, and Starscream, recognizing it as Megatron, told them it was an Autobot scout. While communicating with them, he downloaded all the information on their computers, learning that the AllSpark was also located on Earth. He offered to help the humans to return to their world if they helped Starscream's group attack the Autobots, hoping that Prime would destroy them and be guilt-stricken in the process. The humans attacked Optimus and Bumblebee, but the two Autobots escaped. After their ship sank into a cavern, Starscream revealed his true nature and abandoned them. As a result, the humans concluded neither faction could be fully trusted. Way to make first contact there, Starscream.

Returning to the battle, he lied to his fellow Decepticons, claiming that the two Autobots were dead and that he'd been unable to communicate with the humans. Blackout, unconvinced by the story, challenged Starscream to single combat. Starscream won, and the Decepticons launched an attack on the ''[[Ark (Movie)|Ark]]''. Unfortunately for Starscream, Optimus, Bumblebee and the human vessel showed up. Starscream, fearful of the information that the ship contained, ordered the Decepticons to destroy it. Unfortunately, Starscream experienced a minor mutiny when Bonecrusher and Blackout demanded answers, and even Barricade wanted to know why. As the battle drew to a close, Starscream was in a position to terminate Prime but came under fire from the humans' weapons. Seriously damaged, Starscream finished them off with a single plasma blast, then ordered the Decepticons to retreat, despite the advantage they had over the Autobots. The Autobots figured that Starscream would not risk traveling to [[Earth]] for fear of losing power, but Prime figured that it was only a matter of time before the desire for vengeance and the lure of the AllSpark brought the Decepticons to that world. {{storylink|Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday|Ghosts of Yesterday}}

====''The Veiled Threat''====
Starscream was in [[Zambia]] where he gained control of the rebel [[Human Accessory Force]] by synthesizing [[gold]] coins with his own body. He sent [[Macerator (ROTF)|Macerator]], [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] and [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]] to blow up a series of dams along the Zambezi River. Although the three Decepticons were stopped by [[NEST]], Starscream intercepted them and killed [[Beachbreak]], who was hoisting [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] up Victoria Falls. He then oversaw the Decepticons attack on a dam along the Zambezi, but the action saw the loss of Macerator and Payload. With their plan in ruins, Starscream ordered Dropkick to retreat.

Little did Starscream know that not all of the troops Soundwave had brought were so eager to serve him for merely succeeding to the Decepticon throne. A number of Decepticons were working in secret to amass vast quantities of energy to locate Megatron and jump start his spark. Upon discovering the existence of this faction, Optimus surmised that Starscream would be hard pressed to withstand a coup, and the only way to secure his claim would be to destroy Optimus and the Autobots quickly.

Starscream flew to [[Italy]] where he allied with criminal mastermind [[Bruno Carrera]], promising him rule of Europe once Starscream ruled Earth if he helped kill Optimus Prime. [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] and [[Jolt (Movie)|Deadend]] drew NEST to Rome, where Starscream challenged Optimus to one-on-one combat in the Coliseum: it was a trap, and Optimus fell through a hidden door into a set of restraints in an underground tunnel built by Carrera. The humans helped Optimus escape though, and Starscream flew off to pay Carrera back for his failure. {{storylink|Transformers: The Veiled Threat|The Veiled Threat}}

===IDW movie comics===
Many years before civil war broke out on Cybertron, Starscream was guarding a [[hatchling]] school trip when they were attacked by a [[Driller|subterranean monster]]. He was saved by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] and [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]], much to his irritation, but Megatron liked Starscream's "feisty" attitude, and saw a place for him in the future of Cybertron he hoped to shape. He later joined Megatron's [[Defense Force]], and was very much at home, killing a [[malcontent]] that challenged the new order in spite of surrendering. {{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

[[File:Defiance1 Starscream Ratchet.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|Someone is praising Starscream!? Stop the presses!]]

Later, he was patrolling the [[Eshems Nebula]] when he encountered the fourth alien scout ship he had spotted in the same [[Units of time|cycle]]. As he related this to first officer [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] of the [[Science Division]], this time the alien ship did not maintain a safe distance, forcing Starscream to attack, and he was damaged in the subsequent battle (and was late for a meeting with [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Lord High Protector]] Megatron). Soon afterwards, these same aliens attacked Cybertron, and Starscream commanded the aerial forces in the defense of the [[Simfur Temple|temple]] in [[Simfur]]. After Megatron was injured in battle, Starscream rushed to his side to enquire about his condition and to ask for further orders. He was informed to keep Optimus's team out of the military's way. {{storylink|Defiance issue 1|Defiance #1}}

Megatron was influenced by [[The Fallen|the mysterious relic]] found outside [[Simfur]] to wage a vengeful war against the aliens. Starscream attended a war rally at [[Trypticon (Movie)|Trypticon]] where Megatron assumed dictatorship of Cybertron and its armed forces. After destroying much of the enemy fleet and eliminating its leader, Megatron ordered Starscream and his fellow fliers to destroy the alien flagship and conquer the surrounding systems. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}} Underground opposition to the new regime came in the form of Optimus and his science division, something Lord Megatron would not stand for. While [[Prowl (Movie)|Prowl]] and security officers arrested Optimus on trumped-up charges of treason, Starscream's squadron was given orders to capture Optimus alive and leave no living witnesses. Unfortunately, Optimus ''Prime'' proved more than a match for Starscream's entire unit, bringing down the ruins of a city upon them. The group survived, and were used by Megatron as "proof" that there were enemies within Cybertron as well as without, to rally his army into a new faction: the Decepticons. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 3|Defiance #3}} {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 1|Movie Prequel #1}}

During the launch of the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'', Starscream believed Megatron's propaganda that [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] was a liar, and expressed disdain for Optimus's claim that he was a Prime too. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} During the subsequent civil war, Starscream blindly followed Megatron's orders, murdering those who did not bow to his Lord's will, even those who did not choose sides. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}} During the Autobot assault on Simfur Temple, Starscream noticed [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]] reaching the [[AllSpark]] and activating Sentinel's "[[pillar|torch]]". He pursued her but she escaped into the tunnels. Despite Megatron's desperate command to stand down, Starscream attacked Sentinel when he arrived on the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]], causing the ship to disappear in a tremendous explosion. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

Starscream was inside [[Lord High Protector citadel|Megatron's citadel]] when Optimus launched another attack in revenge for Sentinel's death. {{Storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}} While Optimus and Megatron faced off, Starscream and Shockwave fought their former captain, [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]. When the sky darkened, Optimus emerged and blasted both of them, allowing them to escape. The attack had actually been a distraction from [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]]'s theft of the AllSpark after the first assault had exhausted Simfur's Decepticons. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}} Later, Starscream was leading an assault on the Autobots at [[Tyger Pax]] when [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] arrived to reinforce them. They witnessed the launch of the AllSpark into space, a desperate gambit by the Autobots, and immediately Starscream and Blackout began to bicker over their next move. Seeing Megatron leave the planet in pursuit of the AllSpark, Starscream decided that so would they. {{storylink|Planetfall (Movie)|Planetfall}}

[[File:Planetfall Starscream yesweare.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"Hey, what's that?" "I'd call it a TARGET!"]]

Starscream was concerned over the Autobots who still posed a threat, but Megatron ordered him to gather a crew to pursue [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Ark (Movie)|ship]]. Unfortunately, [[Nemesis (Movie)|Starscream's ship]] was led into a trap and crippled by [[concussion pulse]] weapons, throwing them off the chase, for now. Humiliated, Starscream and his crew limped back home for repairs. Sometime later, they followed the AllSpark's trace energy pulse and the wake of Prime's ship to a solar system galaxies away. Landing on the [[Mars (planet)|fourth planet]], they destroyed [[Beagle 2 Rover|a primitive lifeform]] that seemed to have been created from the AllSpark, and felt the tag of the life-giving object on the third planet. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 1|The Reign of Starscream #1}}

Starscream's team made planetfall on [[Earth]] in Afghanistan in 2003, quickly attracting the attention of a nearby US military base, which sent out an armoured personnel carrier to investigate. After it was destroyed, the Decepticons attacked the base itself. During the rather one-sided assault, a human agent of Sector Seven was impressed by the alien invaders' ability to adapt to Earth's finest weaponry. Starscream agreed that they were impressive, and killed the fleshling. After Blackout left the group for another nearby base, Starscream told his fellow Decepticons that their mission wouldn't always be this easy, as the Autobots were bound to turn up. When Starscream ordered them to pull out, Barricade initially objected to leaving Wreckage, who had been disabled in the fight, behind. {{storylink|Planetfall (Movie)|Planetfall}} {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 1|The Reign of Starscream #1}}

{{note|"Planetfall" and ''Movie Prequel'' #4 offer contradictory accounts of Starscream and the Decepticons' arrival on Earth, with the former showing them arriving in Afghanistan shortly before the events of the film, and the latter placing them in North America in 2003. The ''[[Transformers: The Reign of Starscream|Reign of Starscream]]'' movie sequel comic would corroborate the "Planetfall" account, but the timing involved means it must take place in 2003 as in ''Prequel'' #4.}}

[[File:MoviePrequel4 Starscream youcangonow.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|Top this one, [[Samus Aran|Samus]].]]

Splitting up, Starscream scanned an F-22 Raptor fighter jet being tested by the [[United States Air Force|US Air Force]] at [[United States Air Force#Facilities|Nellis Air Force Base]]. He destroyed it, then adopted the vehicle form for himself. Leaving the scene of destruction, he radioed his fellow Decepticons to report in on their hunt for new disguise forms, which they did. He reiterated that their mission was to find the AllSpark, to which Blackout responded with a reminder that the mission was also to find Megatron. Starscream dismissively replied, "Yeah, right... him too."

Later, Starscream and Blackout detected the unique radiation of the AllSpark and investigated, but Starscream soon realized it was a trap by Sector Seven. Starscream destroyed several AH-64 Apache helicopters while Blackout attacked Sector Seven's bunker and attempted to hack into their mainframe. When the humans severed the connection, the Decepticons broke off from the battle and linked up with Barricade, who was in pursuit of the Autobot [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 4|Movie Prequel #4}}

{{bigquote|My plan failed, or was it my troops that failed me? I can only process the situation and hope for a conclusion. There are allies on Earth, and more scattered across the Galaxy. I will seek them out. By my side they will join, and in time, I '''will''' have my kingdom... regardless of the location.|Starscream|[[The Reign of Starscream issue 5|The Reign of Starscream #5]]}}

Starscream assumed the role of [[Decepticon leader]] on Earth following Megatron's defeat and the destruction of the AllSpark. Though tempted to exact revenge on the humans, he realized he might be the last functional Decepticon on the planet, so he escaped Mission City to recover the badly-damaged Barricade. Starscream gave him orders to continue his reconnaissance of the Autobot once he was able, and headed for Hoover Dam to retrieve Frenzy. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 1|The Reign of Starscream #1}}

Starscream made his way to Hoover Dam, taking out masses of human soldiers and a [[Landmine (Movie)|less-than-functional attack drone]]. Starscream took a [[Salazar|human captive]] along with Frenzy's body, but the fleshling didn't survive the Decepticon's trip to [[Mars (planet)|Mars]]. However, the trip, combined with the damage from the battle took its toll and upon finding his starship, he had to be helped inside by [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]]. The pair discussed Thundercracker's progress with the space bridge terminal, the physiology of humans and the abilities of Starscream's new form. While recharging, he ordered Thundercracker to download the information from Frenzy; however, an Autobot scouting party interrupted their efforts. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 2|The Reign of Starscream #2}}

[[File:ROSWannabet.jpg|left|thumb|Let's hope that Dreadwing isn't revived by Unicron.]]
Starscream ordered Thundercracker and the drones to deal with them while he prepared for take off. After recovering, he made short work of the Autobots and dragged a damaged Thundercracker inside the ship, before activating the terminal and warping to Cybertron. He handed Thundercracker over to [[Ramjet (Movie)|Ramjet]], and ordered construction of a [[replica AllSpark]], based on Frenzy's data. Approaching Megatron's citadel, Starscream, still impressed by the power his new form gave him, destroyed the former leader's figurehead. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 3|The Reign of Starscream #3}}

A [[Units of time|quartex]] later, Starscream ruminated about ruling over a Cybertron free of war or factions, as well as bringing certain [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|war criminals]] to justice. He arrived at the AllSpark construction yard, busted [[Crankcase (Movie)|Crankcase]]'s vocal processor for whining too much, and chained him up along with [[Elita-One (Movie)|four]] [[Warpath (Movie)|enslaved]] [[Signal Flare (Movie)|Autobot]] [[Grindcore (Movie)|prisoners]] on the new AllSpark, ready to offer up their lives in exchange for a new life for Cybertron. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 4|The Reign of Starscream #4}}

[[File:StarscreamandWreckageAlliance2.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Yes, it is!]]

Things sort of went downhill from there, though. First, the AllSpark replica didn't work; then [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] rebelled. Then they saw that Arcee had snuck aboard Starscream's ship, led an Autobot attack on [[Simfur]] and destroyed the new AllSpark. In the ensuing chaos, Starscream, along with his few remaining loyal subjects, fought off the army of Dreadwing drones and assorted other traitors. Starscream tracked Dreadwing to the space bridge as he took a starship through it. By the time the ship arrived on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]], it was damaged by Starscream's attack, but Dreadwing survived. However, Starscream also survived, revealed himself, and ripped out Dreadwing's [[spark core]]. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 5|The Reign of Starscream #5}}

After Dreadwing's betrayal, Starscream relocated to Earth, his aspirations for leadership and his faith in his fellow Decepticons shattered. As he brooded and carved AllSpark runes onto his exo-structure, he picked up a transmission from [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], informing Starscream of Optimus Prime's forthcoming journey to a Sector Seven facility where Wreckage was held. {{storylink|Alliance issue 1|Alliance #1}} Starscream recorded a message chronicling Megatron's death, the destruction of the Cube and Wreckage's betrayal before he left Mars. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] found the message upon his return to Earth, and deemed it a suicide note. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 4}}

Starscream arrived on Earth not long after Wreckage escaped. The two engaged in a heated battle, each accusing the other of betrayal. Wreckage managed to gain the upper hand, but the timely arrival of Bumblebee gave Starscream the chance to kill Wreckage. He thanked Bumblebee by blasting him, but was contacted by Soundwave before he could finish the job. Shocked that Soundwave was still alive, Starscream left with renewed vigor, believing Soundwave held the key to making a new army. Rendezvousing on Mars, Starscream informed Soundwave of Megatron's death and the AllSpark's loss, and was pleased when he was told a number of troops were headed for Earth, with more in stasis. After receiving co-ordinates to Soundwave's ship, a more enthusiastic Starscream left for the ''Nemesis'', aiming to bring the troops aboard out of stasis while Soundwave carried out "[[Star Harvester|other orders]]". {{storylink|Alliance issue 2|Alliance #2}}

Starscream came upon Sam and Bumblebee driving on the open road, and decided to strike while the pair were separated from their allies. But Bumblebee grappled him as he swooped down, sending Starscream tumbling into a nearby river after crashing through some power lines. Starscream was then too focused on the Autobot to notice Sam taking a live wire, and sticking it into the water, electrocuting the Decepticon. Damaged from the shock, Starscream decided to cut his losses and took off skywards. {{storylink|Transformers: Bumblebee}}

At the Decepticon camp in Namibia, Megatron made it very clear to Starscream, by way of a beating, that he did not appreciate being told how to do his job. Tired of endlessly submitting to the Decepticon leader, Starscream snapped, and flew off with the intention of starting his own "New Decepticon Empire."

When he detected a Cybertronian energy signature, Starscream pursued and saw a shape plummet into the sea next to a pier-side amusement park. The shape was [[Space Case (DOTM)|Space Case]], who, tired of "bein' pushed around," immediately attacked Starscream, punching him into a Ferris wheel. Starscream hauled himself up and opened fire on Space Case, but quickly realized the identity of the rogue Decepticon. Knowing that Space Case was stupid enough to be manipulated, Starscream began to lay on the compliments, hoping to recruit him as the first soldier in his new army. With his promised reward for Space Case's loyalty being the [[Earth]], he eventually succeeded, and as the sun set, they walked away from the ruined pier, Starscream now having found a partner who would listen to ''his'' thoughts, for once. {{storylink|Transformers: Starscream}}

[[File:Starcreamanswermerisingstorm4.jpeg|thumb|left|upright=2.0]]
Starscream set up a base of operations in a junkyard on the outskirts of Mexico City. However, the Decepticon known as Shockwave appeared with [[Ruination (ROTF)|Ruination]] and [[Deadlift]] at shooting range, explaining that he found the base by picking up [[Divebomb (Movie)|Divebomb]]'s trail. Deadlift stood up for the commander, but was blown to bits by the Decepticon assassin. [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] then informed Starscream that his presence was requested by Megatron. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 1|Rising Storm #1}} After learning that a Decepticon Intelligence unit, called [[Brains]], had escaped to Sam Witwicky, Starscream rallied a group of Decepticons and attacked his college. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}} Things didn't bode well for the Decepticons when Autobot reinforcements arrived. Starscream was able to retreat with the help of Shockwave and his pet. When the Decepticons returned to Namibia, Starscream complained to their leader. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3|Rising Storm #3}} {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4|Rising Storm #4}}

=====''Transformers: Beginnings''=====
{{voiceactor|[[Patrick Hallahan]] (English)}}

Starscream led the Decepticons to Earth while following the beacon signal used by Bumblebee to call the Autobots. In typical Starscream fashion, he seemed more concerned about collecting the AllSpark to further his own goals than to rescue [[Megatron (Movie)|Lord High Protector Megatron]]. Attracting the attention of a nearby military installation, they were attacked, but easily overpowered the humans, after which he and Blackout took their [[alternate mode]]s from vehicles on base. Starscream, along with Blackout, followed Bumblebee as he fled from a losing battle against Barricade.

Later, when Sector Seven tried to use a false energy signature to attract Bumblebee to their location, the Decepticons picked up on it and followed. Realizing the signal was fake, Starscream pulled the troops out and waited for the Autobots to arrive and flush out the AllSpark for them. {{storylink|Transformers: Beginnings (Movie)|Transformers: Beginnings}}

{{note|Transformers: Beginnings is a condensed, flash-animated retelling of the [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] [[Transformers: Movie Prequel|Movie Prequel]] that is detailed above this section.}}

===Titan movie comics===
Within seconds of Megatron's defeat, Starscream dubbed himself the new Decepticon leader, with the main problem being that he didn't actually have any troops to lead. To amend this slight impediment, he attacked several [[AllSpark Mutation]]s and removed the energy from their bodies, which he then proceeded to implant into the corpses of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] and [[Brawl (Movie)|Devastator]]. With his former comrades reanimated in this [[Zombie|rudimentary manner]], he directed the shambling husks to attack the Autobots, who were still recovering from their battle that had just finished. While the Autobots eventually destroyed the zombies, Starscream had escaped with several AllSpark energy fragments still in his possession. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 7|Starscream's Militia}}

[[File:Titan1 FallenStarscream.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Hey! C'mon on outa there you!]]

Unfortunately for his ambitions, he quickly found himself as one of [[The Fallen]]'s proxies and was not too happy with the idea of working for another guy ''again''. He organised <s>his</s> the Fallen's Decepticon army and took them to Cybertron on the Fallen's orders. Unfortunately he was spied on by [[Mudflap (ROTF)|two]] [[Skids (ROTF)|Autobots]], and failed to exterminate them before they fled to Earth. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|Training Day}} News of this made the Fallen ''very unhappy'', who ordered Starscream to remain on Cybertron and ''not fail again''. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.2|Dogfight!}}

After the Twins' bumbling on Earth, they were suspected of being double agents and were to be sent into orbitary exile. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] ordered Starscream to take out the Twins' military escort in an effort to make them defect. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.6|Outlaw Blues}}

[[File:Titan8 Starscreamlastwords.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Are my eyes blue?]]

Later, after the Decepticons had captured the lost [[Ransack (ROTF)|Ransack]], Starscream sat in on Soundwave's interrogation of the old fogey. However, Ransack refused to tell them, and Starscream had to step in to stop an angry Soundwave from killing the guy. He volunteered to interrogate the ancient Seeker himself, but Ransack found the whole thing laughable: he knew the Decepticons were operating their ''own'' agenda while the Fallen was incapacitated, but they'd soon learn their freedom was just an illusion.

A few seconds later, the twins arrived to bust the base up. Starscream and Soundwave soon put an end to ''that'', and Starscream gleefully prepared to exterminate Mudflap at long last... Whoops, that gave Ransack the chance to shoot Starscream in the back and leg it! Desperate to keep the Fallen from knowing they'd been up to anything, Starscream and the other 'Cons chased after the Seeker. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.8|Back-to-Back}}

[[File:Titan17 Starscreamstatue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Hasbro's just losing the battle against copyright infringement...]]

After the Fallen was dead but a resurrected Megatron AWOL, Starscream wanted to create his ''own'' Decepticon army and assumed there had to be some Energon sources and artifacts still on Earth to enable this: after all, why else would the Autobots stay? He tore through [[Peru]]'s Amazon rainforest looking for Energon and, in the process, a local tribe began worshipping him and erecting statues in his honour. He briefly thought about recruiting them.

When an Autobot/human team arrived, Starscream briefly engaged them in combat and shrugged off claims that they ''hadn't got'' an ulterior motive for being on Earth. To cover his retreat, he set fire to the rainforest so the Autobots would have to put it out rather than follow him. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.17|The Kingdom of Starscream}}

When Megatron began his plot to awaken [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]], Starscream and Soundwave teamed up to stop it happening by keeping the Autobots in the dark about the ''Ark''. To that end, Starscream tried to keep an ''Ark'' fragment in [[Italy|Fiesole]] out of the Autobots' hands. By the time he made his way to its location however, the Autobots were already there. Starscream managed to knock [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] out of the fight preemptively with a sneak attack, and after a brief scuffle, collapsed a section of the Fiesole Cathedral atop of Optimus and Bumblebee. Starscream then snatched up the ship fragment and made his escape. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 3.1|Fight for Fiesole}}

Later, he and Barricade crashed an anti-[[Transformer]] protest in [[San Jose]], starting off by blowing up the [[Tech Museum of Innovation]]. While Barricade grappled with Ironhide, Starscream decided the whole affair was taking too long, and threw a tanker truck at Ratchet and some humans. Ironhide dealt with the tanker, but was caught in the explosion, leaving himself open for Starscream and Barricade to finish him off. That was when the two Decepticons were mobbed by the human protesters and Optimus Prime turned up. They departed with alacrity. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 3.4|Automatic for the People}}

====Alternate timeline====
[[File:Tf mag 10 2008.JPG|left|upright=0.85|thumb|So evil, boats spontaneously explode rather than face him.]]
In [[Tyran 208.28 Gamma|another timeline]] where Megatron won the battle of Mission City, Starscream remained on Earth serving under Megatron—and taking orders from [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]], who's got a higher rank. In secret, however, he was using [[Insecticon (Movie)|Insecticons]] to implant cerebro-strips in the heads of useful humans; at will, he could control their minds, paving the way for a more subtle conquest when he finally got Megatron out of the way. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 14|Aftermath Part 1}}

He became aware of the moon-based Autobots and while ordered to join [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] in beating up [[NATO]], {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 1}} he got bored during the mission and left as soon as he could to attack the moon-based Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 10|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 2}} He beat them up and viciously taunted them, forcing them to take the initiative and go to Earth—just as he wanted. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 11|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 3}} As he hoped, the Autobots eventually won, killing Megatron, destroying the AllSpark and halting the cyberforming of Earth... leaving him free to take command of the Decepticons! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 12|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 4}}

On top of that, he got his hands on the nanovirus the Autobots used on Megatron. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 13|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 5}} He also took the AllSpark interface module from Megatron's corpse and assimilated it. He started hearing Megatron's voice in his head some time after this... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 22|The Decepticon Who Haunted Himself}}

[[File:InsecticonMovie.JPG|upright=1.4|thumb|Starscream talks to himself because nobody else will be friends with him.]]

One of his first acts as leader was to begin a bombing campaign against any human attempt to rebuild infrastructure or regain a foothold in the United States. He then organised an attack that would get all the Autobots together so a NATO tank regiment (its commander under cerebro-strip control) could wipe them all out. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 14|Aftermath Part 1}} While this failed, Starscream has still ensured the new [[President of the United States]] is under cerebro control—and the Autobots have no idea he's in command... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|Aftermath Part 2}}

As well as secretly overseeing scorched-earth strategies and attempted Energon grabs, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 16|Dark Spark}} he also gained [[Mikaela Banes]] as a cerebro-controlled slave. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|Return to Cybertron: Part 2}} When the bulk of the Autobots prepared to briefly leave Earth and had Mikaela watch over their [[Savannah]] base, Starscream just waited until they'd gone and effortlessly seized the place. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 19|Return to Cybertron: Part 3}} As a result, the six hundred square miles around the Autobot base were swiftly seized as an autonomous Decepticon nation, with all resistance smashed easily. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron: Part 4}} This means, shockingly, he actually ''is'' a better leader than Megatron. ''[[Jesus]]''.

[[File:Starscream Titan22.JPG|left|upright=1.15|thumb|"Stop looking at me ''stop looking at me!''"]]
He sadistically taunted Mikaela, hoping there was part of her that was screaming for help, before dispatching [[Jazz (Movie)|the corrupted Jazz]] and [[Kullt]] to assassinate Optimus. It didn't work. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 21|Hard Target}}

While preparing an ambush for the Autobots who he knew would come for Mikaela, he ranted to the Megatron in his head how he'd been a ''far'' better leader and how he was about to kill all the Autobots. His ambush almost worked too, and he almost killed Prime himself—only for the Autobots to turn out to have had a better plan all along, and escape. Admitting to the voices that he had failed and demanding a strategy from then, he realised to his horror that Megatron's mind had wanted him to take the interface module and had downloaded his brain into it; The voice ''really was'' Megatron and he was demanding to be released! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 22|The Decepticon Who Haunted Himself}}

He didn't release him, though Megatron did feed Starscream a strategy—blackmailing America into booting the Autobots out, then having Allen nuke their ship. This plan was a success, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|Revolution Part 1}} and a jubilant Starscream despatched his armies to seize the United States, all the while having his mind-controlled humans hamper ''any'' military counter-offensive. He was ''this'' close to total victory when [[Stockade (Movie)|''Stockade'']] turned up, turning a third of the drone armies and possibly two generals to his side, sparking a [[Decepticon Civil War]].

Watching everything collapse around him, a gibbering Starscream was visited by Megatron's voice again, telling him once again that the only way out was to release him and allow Megatron to live again... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Revolution Part 2}}

[[File:Starscreamseesthings Titan25.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|"I'm as sane as the [[Thunderwing (G1)|next]] leader!"]]

...and this time, desperate and pressured, Starscream ''did''. With his mind now his own again, he realised to his horror what he'd done... but it was too late, he was now a minion again, and tasked to strafe Stockade's forces while Megatron took on the rebel himself. It all was for naught, however: the Autobots (surprisingly ''not'' dead!) intervened and forcibly teleported all the Decepticons to Cybertron, leaving Starscream trapped there ''forever''. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution Part Three}}
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====Star Screams====
{{Note|The following details Starscream's tenure as letter-answerer on the Star Screams letters page.}}

{{bigquote|You could mark [your letters] 'All Hail Starscream' so long as you make it clear this is in no way a reflection on our glorious leader or a prelude to some sort of coup. Just so that we're clear on that.|Star Screams}}

[[File:Star Screams logo.JPG|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Hate mail!]]
As of issue 7, he ran the letters page (renamed Star Screams from the original Mech Mail). He hated the letters, the readers, the comic, the editorial team, and probably the baby [[Jesus]]—but he's still had nothing on ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream's]] [[Transformers: Armada (Panini)|letter-answering stint]]. The source of his misanthropy appeared to be that nobody ever sent in fan-art of him (#8). The few things he did like were recycling and environmental measures (#14), girls becoming Transformers fans (#19), and [[To sell toys|humans collecting his action figures]].

Autobot sympathisers were hunted down to be exterminated, especially those who dress up as Autobots (#8, #12 and #17), and even the Prime Minister wasn't safe (#24). That said, Starscream appeared to have a soft spot for his own fans—in #11, when a female reader complained her mum and aunt kept telling her she was too old for Transformers, he announced that the offending relatives had been shortlisted to spend forever polishing his armour with their own spit, bless.

In #8, he revealed he hated the movie because his best scenes and lines were cut out, and #13 confirmed the Decepticon army loathed [[Michael Bay]] for producing pro-Autobot propaganda. This still hadn't prevented him from shilling Bay's second documentary ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', as he believed it would depict a Decepticon victory (#10) and was going to ignore the script if it said otherwise (#18). Since then, however, he had come under the sway of an unknown higher power in regards to the film, one Starscream feared (#22)...

In #7, he expressed concern that this "[[Simon Furman|Fur-Man]]" was a [[Maximal]] agent, and warned that Titan Magazines would be destroyed if they continued to produce Autobot propaganda. By #13, the Decepticons appeared to have taken over Titan and had imprisoned the staff and creators in cages, forcing them to work merely for food—it was surely no coincidence that during this period, Starscream became a successful leader of the Decepticons in the comic strip and that Starscream began wanting more issues brought out. This mistreatment was causing severe physical trauma to [[Steve White]] and [[Den Patrick]] (#19) though Fur-Man was still a free agent and was evading Decepticon capture (#21). Writer [[Robin Etherington]] appeared to have angered him, as Starscream was believed to have deliberately miscredited one of his stories in #24. [http://www.studioblinktwice.com/announce.php?Year=2009]

He had incredible hate for [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], gleefully recounting the guy's horrible death and going berserk in #9 at the idea of Jazz answering the letters.

While he had said he talked to himself to get intelligent conversation and didn't trust anyone (#9), he had shown some signs of wanting company: he hoped the [[Seeker (Movie)|Seeker]] jets would all be reunited in the next film (#9), was trying to convince [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] to be in it too (#15), and wished Ironhide would join the Decepticons (#16). Despite wanting to re-unite with Thundercracker, he showed contempt for the guy's lack of drive (#11). He viewed [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and Soundwave as potential successors if anything ever happened to him (#21). He also appreciated [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]'s work (#23) and while he was annoyed the helicopter was more popular than him, he did go to the trouble of giving the guy a proper burial. (#25)

Starscream appeared to have had several "off the record" adventures. He revealed he once had an [[Starscream (G1)|F-15 mode]] and liked it (#9), openly confirming he was [[:File:Starscream 1982.jpg|active in 1982]] and the impetus for the [[Hungry Dragon]] cover-up. He also referred to [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] also being an F-15 (#11), implying both were active in [[1982]]. He also had some experience with and knowledge of [[Unicron]] (#12), something [[Transformers Comic issue 19|no other Transformer had]] and something that terrified him (#17), and in which he apparently witnessed Unicron trying to devour Cybertron (#19)...

He maintains that his voice was not [[Chris Latta|scratchy]] in any way.

Eventually, however, the constant stress of the letters drove him to a nervous breakdown, and he was sent to a very special home (or "on a mission of great importance", according to his cover story). He still produceed a regular horrorscope. (Vol.2 #1) [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] wondered about Starscream's ongoing absence, noting the home must have better security than the Decepticons first thought! (Vol.2 #12)

===Toy bios===
Fleeing from the Mission City fiasco, Starscream altered his form so he could hide from the Autobots and humans alike. After a brief period of scheming{{storylink|Starscream (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys|Starscream (Target Exclusive)}} he repaired and reenergised himself from a nearby power plant, then fled into deep space to find Decepticon reinforcements. {{storylink|Starscream (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys|Deep Space Starscream}}

He eventually decided this was too time-consuming, and went back to Earth in a new stealthy form to wait for the Decepticons, alerted by the energy signature of the AllSpark's destruction, to come to ''him''. While Optimus and Arcee tried to hunt him down, he remained free and succeeded in building a small army, and had them distract the Autobot forces while he launched a surprise attack on a lone Optimus. {{storylink|Starscream (Movie)/toys#SamsClub3pk|Arcee, Starscream & Optimus Prime}} {{storylink|Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Leader Class toys|Nightwatch Optimus Prime}}{{storylink|Starscream (Movie)/toys#Legends Class toys|Nightwatch Optimus Prime vs. Stealth Starscream}} The battle ended with Optimus still alive and the Decepticons beaten on Earth. {{storylink|Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Fast Action Battlers|Fire Blast Optimus Prime}}

Going back into space again, he came back with an army from Cybertron and proudly bearing the marks won during his reign there. {{storylink|Starscream (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 2|Voyager Starscream}}

Following the battle with The Fallen in Egypt, Optimus made a particular point of tracking down Starscream. {{storylink|Starscream (Movie)/toys#HFTDleader|''Hunt for the Decepticons'' Leader Optimus Prime}} So did [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]], which was extremely dumb of him.{{storylink|Starscream (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 3|Starscream's Assault}} Starscream, for his part, decided to pick on an easy target and went after the non-flying [[Smokescreen (Movie)|Smokescreen]]... only to get his ass kicked.{{storylink|Starscream (Movie)/toys#Legends Class toys 2|Starscream vs. Smokescreen}}

Plotting to find any other relics or even AllSpark fragments, Starscream had tattoos done that were packed with superconductive materials and symbiotic nano-machines to enhance his sensors, as well as extend his range and power in the air. When his sensor net detects any ancient artifact from Cybertron, they glow softly, charging his weapons and boosting his engine output! {{storylink|Starscream (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 2|Nebular Starscream}}

===''Beast Wars Diorama Story''===
At some point, Starscream and multiple Autobots and Decepticons traversed dimensions and found themselves on a different [[Earth]], in the distant past. They crossed paths with new Transformer factions, the [[Maximal]]s and the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s, who were engaged in a conflict called the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]]. A battle broke out between the four factions and Starscream found himself pitted against the Maximal [[Tigatron]]. He attempted to blast the Maximal from the high ground, only to get shot in the face, instead. [[Optimus Primal]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] then double-teamed Starscream, defeating him. With the battle over, the Autobots and the Decepticons returned to their home dimension, leaving the Maximals and Predacons behind to settle the Beast Wars. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story|Beast Wars Diorama Story}}

===''Cyber Missions''===
{{voiceactor|[[Bronco D. Jackson]] (English)|[[Andrés García]] (Latin American-Spanish)}}
[[File:CyberMissions10 Starscream.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Toy accuracy wasted on a fiction no one even knew existed.]]
Starscream watched from the air as [[Mindwipe (ROTF)|Mindwipe]] interrogated [[Jack (ROTF)|Jack]]. As the other Decepticon announced the Energon would be his, Starscream corrected his obviously erroneous statement. When they found the convoy, Starscream dropped mines on the road in front of [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]], knocking loose the trailer-load of energon. While Mindwipe turned his hypnotic abilities on the two Autobots, Starscream landed behind them. The two Decepticons' bickering allowed Sideswipe to break Mindwipe's concentration, and he began grappling with Starscream while Ratchet went for the energon. Starscream quickly got the better of Sideswipe and threatened to rip his spark out, but Ratchet responded by throwing the energon and Mindwipe off a nearby cliff. Starscream dived after it, ignoring Mindwipe's pleas for help, and grabbed the energon. Ratchet shot the energon which exploded, but Starscream subsequently streaked from the flames in his jet mode, and the two Autobots decided to find somewhere safe to take cover. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 10}}

Starscream met up with Megatron in the Arctic sometime later, but it was far from a pleasant reunion - Megatron was pissed that Starscream openly defied him, and once again reminded him of his absolute power. Optimus arrived, and a two on one duel ensued. Soon, the Autobots arrived, and Starscream broke off to leave the duel to be leader-to-leader. Starscream took on Ratchet, Ironhide, Bumblebee, and Sideswipe all at once, and eventually was defeated. Starscream quickly fled the scene. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 12}}

Later, Megatron led Starscream, Barricade, Mindwipe, and Bludgeon to rescue the imprisoned Soundwave from the Autobots. However, Soundwave was only a hologram, and Optimus confronted the Decepticons. Megatron once again dueled Optimus, and Starscream told the others to wait until Megatron wore the Autobot leader down, then attack Optimus... only for Ratchet, Ironhide, and Bumblebee to arrive. In the ensuing battle, Starscream tried to flee, but was fired at by Ironhide, and Starscream retaliated by tackling and grappling with Ironhide on the ground. The Autobots' human allies arrived, and outnumbered the Decepticons a hundred to one, and Megatron was once again defeated by Optimus. The Autobot leader gave the Decepticons a choice: leave Earth or fight and die. Starscream, naturally, was the first to leave and abandon his leader, and Mindwipe and Bludgeon followed. {{storylink|Decepticons Attack}}
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===''I Can Read!'' books===
[[File:MegatronandStarsscreamdig-TrainingDay.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.75]]
Megatron's latest scheme to defeat the Autobots was to dig a series of underground tunnels to ambush his enemies wherever they may be. Or, more precisely, his plan was to have Starscream dig the tunnels while Megatron supervised. When the two Decepticons surfaced to attack Optimus, Sideswipe, Bumblebee and Ironhide, they were thwarted despite the element of surprise being on their side. {{storylink|Training Day (book)|Training Day}}

[[File:OptimusKOsStarscream-BuddyBrawl.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4]]
Starscream came upon Bumblebee, Wheelie, Sam and Mikaela driving around in the city, and decided to attack the group. Bumblebee and Wheelie began to argue over how to defeat Starscream, leaving the Decepticon free to terrorize the humans. Then Optimus Prime showed up and knocked Starscream out with one punch. Starscream soon regained consciousness, however, and resumed his attack. This time around, Bumblebee and Wheelie worked together to defeat Starscream; Wheelie goaded Starscream to follow him, and Bumblebee jumped onto the jet at a critical moment, making Starscream crash into a tunnel and severely damage his wings. {{storylink|Buddy Brawl}}
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===''Hunt for the Decepticons'' storybooks===
[[File:MegatronlabassistantStarscream-PrimeTarget.jpeg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
After Megatron's latest scheme to destroy Optimus Prime failed, Starscream had to rescue Megatron, who had wound up stuck to a supermagnet at Sam's university. {{storylink|Prime Target (book)|Prime Target}}
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===''Spot the 'Bots''===
Megatron led a group of Autobots that were chasing him to an old warehouse, where Starscream was waiting to ambush them! He battled Bumblebee as part of a bigger battle that would decide the Earth's fate! {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Spot the 'Bots}}

===''Unite for the Universe''===
Starscream overheard Megatron promising [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]] command of the Decepticon Earth forces if he managed to steal the fruits of N.E.S.T.'s most recent labor; the "Unite Weapons Program." Starscream protested, claiming that control over the Earth rightfully belonged to him. Megatron responded that it ALL belonged to him, and that Starscream better learn his place in the scheme of things. Starscream set out to sabotage Bludgeon's mission to foil any chance his rival had at surpassing him in the chain of command. He first anonymously sent a warning to the N.E.S.T. base Bludgeon had targeted, leading to Bludgeon being confronted by the Autobot-human alliance. While they were distracted, Starscream attempted to sneak in and steal whatever technology N.E.S.T. had developed for himself. What he discovered was that the new weapon was in fact Optimus, augmented with flight capabilities after the humans had reverse-engineered [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]]'s remains. Rather than fight the Autobot leader, Starscream fled the scene. {{storylink|Unite for the Universe issue 1|The Secret of Project: Unite}}

With his newly acquired intel, Starscream returned to his headquarters and teamed up with [[Skystalker (ROTF)|Skystalker]] and [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]. With their help, he planned to acquire the means to use the recycled remains of deceased Cybertronians to increase his own power. He planted a nano-virus on Ravage to carry into the Autobots' base, and had Skystalker retrieve the corpses of fallen Decepticons that were being disposed by N.E.S.T. {{storylink|Unite for the Universe issue 1|Ambition Instigated}}

Though his base of operations was uncovered by both the Autobots and Bludgeon, Starscream managed to upgrade himself into a more powerful form. He easily dealt with Bludgeon before declaring that Megatron would be next to fall before his newfound power. {{storylink|Unite for the Universe issue 2|Unite for the Universe #2|Bludgeon's Revenge}} However, Starscream had duplicated an imperfect version of the upgrade developed by N.E.S.T., and his mental stability was soon affected. He began to run wild, attacking Human facilities until Megatron sent in [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] and [[Brimstone (TF 2010)|Brimstone]] to deal with his insubordination. Like Bludgeon before them, the two Decepticons were quickly dispatched. The Autobots stepped in next to confront Starscream, though their combined efforts did little more than enrage the maddened Decepticon. At this point, Megatron decided to join the fray as well. {{storylink|Unite for the Universe issue 2|On the Road of Destruction}}

Megatron attempted to cow Starscream into submission, but the maddened Decepticon refused to back down. Thinking himself unstoppable, he continued his rampage as both Autobot and Decepticon troops joined the brawl. Starscream was finally taken down when Ratchet managed to sneak up on him and short out his upgrades, rendering him unconscious. Megatron left Starscream behind as the Autobots encroached upon him. {{storylink|The Strongest Weapon}}

===''Keroro Gunsō × Transformers''===
[[File:KeroroScream.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|But when you really stop to think about it, aren't they ''all'' fiction? This is deep, man.]]

After being summoned by [[Keroro]], Starscream was offered the opportunity to be "No. 2" if he assisted the [[Keron Army]] in conquering [[Earth|Pekopon]]. Starscream refused the idea of being anybody's second in command, but before he could attack, he was hit by the [[Oozon]], a suction weapon that absorbed Starscream's energy and super robot data. Keroro intended to create clones of Starscream for his army, but the Decepticon destroyed the Oozon to keep that from happening. The energy then surged into Keroro, transforming him into a gaudy clone of Starscream called "Keroroscream"... much to the shock of the ''real'' Starscream.{{storylink|Keroro Gunsō × Transformers}}
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==Games==
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==Toys==
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==Merchandise==
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==Notes==
[[File:ProtoformStarscreamProto.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Rar.]]
*Starscream's film design was initially conceptualized by designer [[Feng Zhu]].<ref>http://www.fengzhudesign.com/portfolio.html</ref>
*The card back of Protoform Starscream's packaging features a completely different, earlier head sculpt. What's more, this head design is featured on his protoform body in IDW's movie prequel comics. It's since become Starscream's standard "pre-Earth" face, likely out of consistency.
*His protoform was not the only design to get a new head. The earliest concepts of Starscream's head were more skull-like and oblong in shape. This was, of course, redesigned to look more "like a samurai helmet." Unlike the redesigned head of Megatron, Starscream's earlier face only shows up in ''one'' piece of media: the book [[Look and Find Transformers]].
*Starscream's final head design was one that was rejected for Megatron.<ref>''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' Blu-ray gallery</ref>
*It has been suggested that, following his attack on the F-22 squadron over the city, Starscream was able to hide among the survivors and take part in the attack on Megatron shortly thereafter. This theory is speculative; While it fits the character of the Generation 1 Starscream, there is nothing on the screen to suggest it. (Roberto Orci was asked, but refused to give a definite answer.)<ref>http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=387172&postcount=185 Roberto Orci refusing to comment on the possibility of Starscream attacking Megatron during the final battle</ref>
*Starscream's bio for his Deep Space figure mentions that he re-energized himself at a power plant after the [[Mission City]] battle. Whilst this was not seen in the film, it appears [[The Real Effing Deal|others]] caught notice of it; [http://www.therealeffingdeal.com/blog/“mission-city-update-exclusive”/].
*The Sector Seven online ARG used the "[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]" version of [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] to represent the "real" Starscream who had infiltrated Earth. A lot of Generation 1 cameos were made in this manner. Make of that what you will.
*The downloadable content for the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' game on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 gives Starscream [[Starscream (G1)|another form]] and a [[Sunstorm (G1)|repaint of it]]. Because of this, Starscream ends up with the most alternate skins of any character.
*Hasbro mentions that his arch-enemy is Megatron. [[Starscream (G1)|Like]] [[Starscream (Armada)|that's]] [[Starscream (Animated)|surprising]].
*His rivalry with Megatron was only shown in IDW's tie-in comics and other related media, never in the films themselves - the only hint of his desire of leadership shown there was pathetic excuses for leaving Megatron behind dead on Earth in ''Revenge of the Fallen'' and the odd obviously sarcastic comment and sinister hand rolling in ''Dark of the Moon''. Going by the movies alone, this makes him one of the least betrayal-happy versions of Starscream in the entire franchise. Despite this, in ''The Last Knight'', Megatron refers to Starscream as his "treacherous friend" when briefly lamenting his death.
*Starscream is one of a few Transformers from the live action film series who has the ability of flight in robot form.
*Starscream's 2007 Voyager figure bio mentions that Starscream has swords in his arsenal. Also, his fast action battler figures and Dark of the Moon deluxe class figure are equipped with swords. Despite this, Starscream never uses a sword in any of the movies. In the 2007 video game, Starscream has swords similar to those on his Fast Action Battlers figure, so the weapon may have been designed, but never utilized in the film.
*While his head seemingly blew up in ''Dark of the Moon'', it appears to be fully intact in ''The Last Knight'', so much so that [[Daytrader]] even moves the dead Decepticon's mouth to greet his fellow Autobots. This may not be an error though, since it is possible that Daytrader refurbished the head in order to sell it.
*When the first trailer for the ''Bumblebee'' movie was released, pretty much every viewer assumed that the Decepticon whose design and transformation elements lifted from the original Generation 1 [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] bodytype and the classic red and grey/white colours of the [[Starscream (G1)|original Starscream]] was Starscream. A synopsis for the film posted on the official Viacom blog even referred to the treacherous Decepticon by name<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/06/20/paramount-reveals-the-possible-identity-of-the-mysterious-seeker-from-transformers-bumblebee-movie-366024 "Paramount Reveals The Possible Identity Of The Mysterious Seeker From Transformers: Bumblebee Movie" - TFW2005.com]</ref>—only for the synopsis to be edited within hours to remove it. Director [[Travis Knight]] then stated at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018 that the Decepticon in that trailer was [[Blitzwing (BB)|Blitzwing]].
**Starscream was eventually confirmed to appear in the film nonetheless, but with a ''[[Starscream (G1)|different]]'' Generation 1 Seeker-inspired design.

===Foreign names===
*''Czech:'' ''' Žahavec''' (first movie only) (Heater)
*''Japanese:'' '''Starscream''' (スタースクリーム ''Sutāsukurīmu'')
*''Cantonese:'' '''Sing Sing Giu''' (星星叫, "Star Shouting")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Üstökös''' ("Comet"), '''Csillagsikoly''' (Titan comics, "Starscream")
*''Indonesian:'' '''Teriakan Bintang''' ("Star Scream")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Thīen-wáng-hsīng''' (Taiwan, 天王星, "Uranus"), '''Hóng Zhīzhū''' (China, 红蜘蛛, "Red Spider")
*''Ukrainian:'' '''Zorekryk''' (Зорекрик, "Dawnscream")

==Footnotes==
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[[Category:Age of Extinction Decepticons]]
[[Category:Bumblebee Decepticons]]
[[Category:Cyber Missions characters]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Decepticons]]
[[Category:Decepticon leaders]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
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Bumblebee (film)

2018-12-24T23:26:08Z

Jman98: /* Continuity notes */

{{disambig3.5|the feature film|the Autobot it features|Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee}}
{{Nav-Bumblebee}}
[[File:BumblebeeMovieNewPoster.jpeg|thumb|right|300px|According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly. Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground. The bee, of course, flies anyway, because bees don't care what humans think is impossible.]]

'''''Bumblebee''''' is the sixth movie in the [[live-action film series]]. A "reset" of the film series as a whole,<ref name="reboot">[http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/02/16/transformers-cinematic-universe-current-movie-series-rebooted-358641 Transformers Cinematic Universe Is Over: Current Movie Series To Be Rebooted] at TFW2005</ref> ''Bumblebee'' acts as a prequel to the previous five movies, albeit [[retcon|taking some liberties]] with continuity. The film is directed by [[Travis Knight]] rather than [[Michael Bay]], written by newcomer [[Christina Hodson]], and produced on a far lower budget of around $70 million.<ref>[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/hollywood-rethinks-key-movie-franchises-a-mixed-summer-at-box-office-1022322/ THR: Hollywood Rethinks Key Movie Franchises Amid a Mixed Summer at the Box Office]</ref> The film was released in the US on [[December 21]], [[2018]].

When [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] is sent to [[Earth]] to establish a base for the [[Autobot]]s, he finds himself hunted by both [[Sector Seven]] and the [[Decepticon]]s. With his memory and voice lost in battle, he is found by [[Charlie Watson]], a young woman in search of a direction in life. The pair work together to try to discover who Bumblebee is and why he's on Earth, but ultimately they'll find themselves with the fate of the planet in their hands...

{{quote|Thank you...so much...for giving me...my voice.|[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]}}

==Synopsis==
{{stub}}
[[File:BBfilm-Shockwave-orders-Seekers-to-destroy-launchpad.jpeg|thumb|left|300px|"In tennis, you attack at the point of weakness!"]]
''War rages on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and things look bad for the [[Autobot]]s. Contact has been lost with the front lines, and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], [[Brawn (ROTF)|Brawn]], [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]], [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] are pinned down under [[Decepticon]] assault until [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] arrives to momentarily repel their foes. Prime looks for scout [[Bumblebee (Movie)|B-127]], who arrives only a moment after. The Autobots fall back to a launchpad, and Prime instructs the Autobots to board escape pods and flee from the planet. He also gives B-127 a secret mission: go to [[Earth]], a well-hidden planet Prime has identified, and establish a base for the Autobots to regroup and strike back. As the [[Seeker (Movie)|Seeker]]s under [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]]'s command begin attacking the launchpad directly, Prime leaps into the horde of Decepticons to buy B-127's pod some time to escape...''

The year is [[1987]], and Agent [[Jack Burns]]' team of [[Sector Seven]] agents emerge victorious from a mock battle after leading the other team into an ambush. As Burns good-naturedly chides his unlucky opponent, however, an unknown projectile appears overhead and plows into their midst. Many agents are injured, and Burns, believing his team to be under projectile assault after confirming that no other military practices using live ammo are occurring nearby, immediately calls for backup... upon which he comes face to face with B-127 rising from the crater. He immediately orders his forces to give chase, and the Autobot flees after [[scanning]] and [[transformation|transforming]] into a nearby military jeep. Even though the military attempts to capture him with harpoons and machine guns, B-127 evades them and emerges into a clearing leading to an empty mineshaft. Burns gives the order to cut it off from escaping into the mine... which one of his soldiers executes by blindsiding B-127 with his own jeep. However, B-127 begins talking to the humans in [[United States of America|English]], assuring them of his peaceful intentions and that he is not here to hurt anyone. Burns orders the soldiers to stand down... only for a jet to appear overhead. Burns is baffled that the Air Force was alerted this early, but the robot corrects him - the jet is in fact the Decepticon [[Blitzwing (BB)|Blitzwing]], who bombards the clearing with missiles and swoops in to attack the yellow Autobot!

[[File:BumblebeeMovie-Blitzwing-flies.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"He's no goodfella. He's a BADfella!"]]

B-127 puts up a valiant effort against Blitzwing and even manages to damage his opponent's flight systems, but is soon subdued and dangled over a cliff. Blitzwing interrogates the scout about Optimus Prime's whereabouts, but the scout valiantly refuses and asserts that he will "never talk", a move that prompts his foe to "make it official" by ripping out his voice synthesizer. Badly injured, he is thrown off the cliff and prepared for execution... but uses a moment of quick thinking to rip a missile from the Seeker's arm and shove it into his chest. B-127 takes advantage of the Decepticon's momentary confusion to kick himself away before opening fire on the missile, detonating it and killing Blitzwing. As he limps away, Burns watches him leave trapped under a destroyed jeep. The Autobot limps to a riverbank before collapsing from his injuries, his memory cells critically damaged. His systems scan a nearby VW Beetle before he finally fades away to unconsciousness...

[[Charlie Watson]], a 17-year old girl one day away from becoming 18, awakens from her slumber. After dealing with her annoying younger brother [[Otis Watson|Otis]] and the news that her mother [[Sally Watson|Sally]] will be marrying her new boyfriend [[Ron (BB)|Ron]], she bikes to her job at a fair where she is utterly humiliated by Tina and her posse for having no car. She visits [[Uncle Hank]]'s junkyard after hours to clear off, but discovers an old VW Beetle under a tarmac after accidentally knocking over a series of motorboats. She finds the key in the ignition and tries it on, but is surprised when the car emits a high-pitched shriek...

On one of the moons of [[Saturn]], Decepticon hunters [[Shatter]] and [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] interrogate Cliffjumper about Optimus Prime's whereabouts. The Autobot remains resolute, which angers his interrogators... until B-127's signal, activated on Earth by Charlie, reaches the three [[Transformer]]s. The two Decepticons agree to go to Earth and hunt down B-127 instead... but not before Shatter vertically bisects Cliffjumper, killing the Autobot.

In a trailer park, dysfunctional couple Ray and Amber argue, among other things, Ray spending their rent money on purchasing a tricked-out new car. Their spiel is interrupted when a meteor crashes mere feet from them... thankfully to Ray, missing his new car. He's not so lucky when a second one falls, however, as it obliterates both his prized car and the trailer they live in. Headlights shining from inside the inferno give the irresponsible man some hope... until Shatter and Dropkick reveal themselves and transform before them. Dropkick kills the unlucky Ray before the Decepticons drive off to the West Coast following B-127's signal.

==Quotes==
"I'll never talk." 
"Is that right? Then let's make it official."
:—'''Bumblebee''' and '''Blitzwing''', right before the latter destroys the former's voice box.

"They literally call themselves Decepticons. That doesn't set off any red flags?"
:—'''Agent Burns''' doesn't trust the giant alien robots.

"Look, I know what you saw is a little crazy. I can explain. ... Yeah, I can't explain, but here's the deal: If you tell anyone what you just saw, I'm going to have to run you over with my car." 
"...Jeez!"
:—'''Charlie''' and '''Memo'''

"You think these little chains can hold-"
:—'''Dropkick''' before being sliced to pieces by said little chains.

"My name... is Bumblebee."
:-'''Bumblebee''' asserts his new name to Optimus Prime.

==Characters==
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*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] ([[Dylan O'Brien]])
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] ([[Grey Griffin]])
*[[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] ([[Steve Blum]])
*[[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]] ([[Andrew Morgado]])
*[[Brawn (ROTF)|Brawn]] ([[Kirk Baily]])
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] ([[Dennis Singletary]])
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Teletraan-I|Teletraan 1]]

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*[[Shatter]] ([[Angela Bassett]])
*[[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] ([[Justin Theroux]])
*[[Blitzwing (BB)|Blitzwing]] ([[David Sobolov]])
*[[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] ([[Jon Bailey]])
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] (Jon Bailey)
**[[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]
*[[Seeker (Movie)|Seekers]]
**[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
**[[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]]
**[[Skywarp (Movie)|Skywarp]]
**[[Dirge (Movie)|Dirge]]
*Decepticon soldiers (Kirk Baily)

|h3=[[Human]]s|c3=
*[[Charlie Watson]] ([[Hailee Steinfeld]])
*[[Memo]] ([[Jorge Lendeborg Jr.]])
*[[Sally Watson]] ([[Pamela Adlon]])
*[[Otis Watson]] ([[Jason Drucker]])
*[[Ron (BB)|Ron]] ([[Stephen Schneider]])
*[[Sector Seven]]
**[[Jack Burns]] ([[John Cena]])
**[[Dr. Powell]] ([[John Ortiz]])
**[[General Whalen]] ([[Glyn Turman]])
**[[Seymour Simmons]] ([[Nick Pilla]])
*[[Uncle Hank]] ([[Len Cariou]])
*[[Craig (BB)|Craig]] ([[Kollin Holtz]])
*[[Tina]] ([[Gracie Dzienny]])
*[[Tina's girlfriends]] ([[Isabelle Ellingson]], [[Mika Kubo]])
*[[Trip Summers]] ([[Ricardo Hoyos]])
*[[Sheriff Lock]] ([[Fred Dryer]])
*[[Ray]] ([[Lenny Jacobson]])
*[[Amber]] ([[Megyn Price]])
*Charlie's Dad ([[Tim Martin Gleason]])
*[[Bill (BB)|Bill]] ([[Antonio D. Charity]])
|nonumbering=true
}}

==Continuity notes==
As a prequel to the rest of the live-action film series, ''Bumblebee'' includes set-up elements for several of the films.
*Ancillary media dating back to 2007 has credited [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] with inflicting the injuries that caused Bumblebee to lose his voice (with both the [[Aligned continuity family]] and the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|''Cyberverse'' cartoon]] adapting the idea for their continuities), but internal to the films themselves, no specifics were ever provided, with "damage in battle" being the only reason given for the little Autobot's muteness. ''Bumblebee'' tells the on-screen version of the story, revealing that Blitzwing was the culprit.
*Megatron himself, meanwhile, is notable by his absence from the film's Cybertron-set prequel, owing to the fact that, per the events of the first movie, he is frozen on Earth at the time it occurs.
*Sector 7 and their Hoover Dam headquarters were introduced in the first film. A young [[Seymour Simmons]] (played by [[John Turturro]] in the present-day films) appears among the organization's ranks.
*Thanks to Charlie fitting him with a working radio, Bumblebee learns how to "speak" by using snippets of music to express himself, which is, of course, how he communicates in all the other films.
*At the end of the movie, Bumblebee scans the 1977 Camaro mode that he had at the start of the original ''Transformers'' film.

Despite its notional "prequel" status, there are several big discontinuities between ''Bumblebee'' and the other films (even by the standards of the films' usual ''laissez-faire'' approach to continuity), leading many a fan to consider it a "stealth reboot" in the vein of ''{{w|X-Men: First Class}}.
*Most obviously, the film completely throws out ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'''s premise that Bumblebee and the Autobots were active on Earth during [[World War II]], showing Bumblebee's initial landing on Earth in 1987 (and by extension, throws the [[Transformers: Bumblebee Movie Prequel|prequel comic]] out the window). There's no {{w|No-Prize}} for this one — just go with it!
*Sector 7 seem completely unaware of the Cybertronians and consider their meeting with Shatter and Dropkick to be "first contact", when, per the first film, they have been in possession of the AllSpark and the frozen form of Megatron since the early 20th century. Neither Megatron nor the AllSpark are mentioned in the film, and the fact that Dropkick and Shatter are actually invited into the Hoover Dam base and are allowed to interface with their computers and don't become aware that both Megatron and the Allspark are there raises a lot of questions.
*In-keeping with there being no mention of the AllSpark, the Autobots' departure from Cybertron is shown to be necessitated by their being on the losing end of the war, rather than a search for the cube, with Bumblebee going to Earth to establish a fallback position for his comrades. This is not particularly incompatible with the information provided in the first film, but the fact that the Autobots are shown arriving on Earth at the end of the movie, when the first film showed them arriving in 2007, is more incongruous. It's quite possible they will all leave again over the following twenty years to search other planets and systems for the AllSpark, as mentioned in the first film's prologue, only to then return when Bumblebee discovers it had been on Earth all along, but like we said, this movie doesn't mention that. We'd note that, by making it to so that Bumblebee only loses his voice after coming to Earth, this movie actually ''necessitates'' a meeting between 'Bee and the other Autobots prior to the first movie, as Ratchet noted in that movie that he'd been trying to fix Bumblebee's voice for a while, meaning his arrival in 2007 couldn't be the first time he'd seen Bumblebee since he lost his voice.
*Bumblebee's '77 Camaro robot mode, seen in the film's post-credits sequence, is completely different than his appearance in the 2007 film, utilizing a variant of the body he used throughout the ''Bumblebee'' film.
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] doesn't appear among the Autobot ranks despite his appearance in the 2007 film.

==Transformers references==

[[File:BBfilm-Optimus-Prime-leaps-into-battle.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*Most of the characters' designs are based on their G1 incarnations, such as [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] and [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]]. Notable exceptions are [[Shatter]] and [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] who are wholly new Movieverse designs.
*The Seekers use their Cybertronian "Tetrajet" alternate modes from "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]".
*The concept of Cybertron falling into Decepticon hands and the Autobots initiating a mass exodus originates from the [[Aligned continuity family]], although in this case the Autobots depart in individual escape pods instead of [[Ark (disambiguation)|a single gargantuan starship]].
*Optimus Prime's entrance into the battle on Cybertron is a direct reference to his famous leap into battle from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
*In keeping with the original movie, Brawn is downed by a shot to the shoulder during his cameo. This time, however, he survives and is seen among the Autobots getting into the escape pods.
*[[Teletraan-I|Teletraan 1]] can be sighted in the background as the Autobots are entering their escape pods.
*As is time-worn tradition, [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]]'s design is a retool of Bumblebee's.
*A snippet of [[The Touch]] plays when Bumblebee is 'encouraging' Charlie to dive from the cliff.
*Optimus' vehicle mode at the end of the film is a Freightliner cab-over truck ''very'' similar to his G1 counterpart. He's even pulling the classic trailer, which has the signature 'stripe' on its side! (The Autobot logo is missing, though, presumably for Prime to disguise himself better.)
*Memo is reading a [[GoBots]] comic (or catalog of some sort) before he drops it when he sees Charlie.

==Real-life references==
*One of the vehicles Bumblebee rejects scanning is the Urban Assault Vehicle from ''{{w|Stripes (film)|Stripes}}''.
*Charlie visits the Dragon of the Black Pool restaurant, a nod to ''{{w|Big Trouble in Little China}}''.
*Uncle Hank and Charlie's family were watching ''[[ALF]]'', a sitcom from the 80's about an alien taking refuge in a human home. Fitting.
*The station wagon Charlie's family drives is based on that of ''{{w|National Lampoon's Vacation}}''.
*The transmission that Cliffjumper and the Decepticons pick up from B-127 is the theme song to ''[[Cheers]]''.
*Bumblebee watches ''{{w|The Breakfast Club}}'', leading to him emulating [[Judd Nelson]]'s fist pump a number of times throughout the rest of the film.
*Charlie is a fan of {{w|The Smiths}}. After repairing Bumblebee's radio, she inserts a cassette of their album ''{{w|Strangeways, Here We Come}}'' and "{{w|Girlfriend in a Coma (song)|Girlfriend in a Coma}}" briefly plays before Bee ejects the tape.
*One of the tapes Charlie inserts into Bumblebee is [[Rick Astley]]'s "{{w|Never Gonna Give You Up}}".
*Other musicians featured in Charlie's drawer of cassettes include {{w|Joan Jett}}, {{w|Adam and the Ants}}, {{w|Guns N' Roses}}, {{w|Talking Heads}}, {{w|INXS}}, {{w|Pink Floyd}}, {{w|Oingo Boingo}}, {{w|Huey Lewis and the News}}, and {{w|Prism (band)|PRiSM}}. She also mentions {{w|Stevie Nicks}} and {{w|The Rolling Stones}} while searching for tapes.
*The record Charlie takes from her father's collection is {{w|Sam Cooke}}'s 1961 album ''Sam's Songs'', and when she puts it on, Sam Cooke's version of "{{w|Unchained Melody}}" plays. However see Errors.
*The letters 'BFG' are written on Charlie's jean jacket. This is a reference to ''{{w|The BFG}}'', a children's book about a young girl befriending a big, friendly giant and defeating a group of evil giants together. Also quite fitting.
*Charlie has a poster for the rock band {{w|The Pretenders}}, which coincidentally is the name of a Transformers [[Pretender|sub group]] involving the robots disguising themselves as human.
*Sector Seven uses a variant of the WOPR supercomputer from ''{{w|WarGames}}''.
*Powell remarks that the Decepticon modifications to the S7 computers have created an "Interconnected Network," implying that the Decepticons created the Internet. However, the idea of an interconnected network of computers for communications and data transfer had been developing for decades prior to the film's setting of the late 1980s, and the term "Internet" first appeared in the mid-1970s.

==Errors==
*Charlie starts playing the first track on Sam Cooke's album ''Sam's Songs'', which ought to have been "Little Things You Do" rather than "Unchained Melody". The latter song doesn't even appear on the album, being the last track on side A of Cooke's earlier release ''Hits of the 50's''.

==Tie-in material==
During the lead-up to the release of the movie, [[IDW Publishing]] released the four-part comic mini-series ''[[Transformers: Bumblebee Movie Prequel]]'', detailing an adventure set in the 60s, during which Bumblebee works with British intelligence to foil the plans of a group of Decepticons, including Blitzwing... though this comic can't be in continuity with the actual film, which depicts Bumblebee as having first arrived on Earth in the year 1987.

==Music==

==Home video releases==

==Theatrical posters==
<center><gallery>
File:BumblebeeCharlieSilhouettePoster.jpg|Yellow-black,
File:BumblebeeCrouchingPoster.jpg|yellow-black,
File:BumblebeeUSMoviePoster.jpeg|yellow-black,
File:BumblebeeMovieNewPoster.jpeg|yellow-black...
File:BumblebeePosingPoster.jpg|Ooh, black and yellow!
File:BumblebeeBurnsDecepticons.jpg|Yeah, let's shake it up a little.
</gallery></center>

==Reception==

==Production staff==

==Development details==
*March 27, 2015 — [[Paramount Pictures]] negotiates with [[Akiva Goldsman]], hiring him to create a "writer's room" with the intention of building a cinematic universe.<ref name="goldsman">[http://deadline.com/2015/03/transformers-akiva-goldsman-paramount-sequels-spinoffs-1201400027/ Paramount Enlisting Akiva Goldsman To Ramp Up 'Transformers' Output] on deadline.com</ref> Goldsman goes on to hire a number of writers over the next few months: [[Steven DeKnight]] (''Daredevil''),<ref>[http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/transformers-cinematic-universe/35696/transformers-cinematic-details-more-writers-over-10-films Transformers cinematic details]</ref> [[Robert Kirkman]] (''The Walking Dead''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom">[http://deadline.com/2015/05/transformers-writers-robert-kirkman-zak-penn-art-marcum-matt-holloway-jeff-pinkner-1201430601/ 'Transformers' Spinoff & Sequel Scribes Set] on Deadline.com</ref> [[Art Marcum]] and [[Matt Holloway]] (''Iron Man''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> Christina Hodson (''Shut In'', ''The Fugitive''),<ref name="hodsonbeer">[http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/446175-christina-hodson-and-lindsey-beer-join-transformers-writing-team Christina Hodson and Lindsey Beer Join the Transformers Writing Team]</ref> [[Lindsey Beer]] (''Dig''),<ref name="hodsonbeer" /> [[Zak Penn]] (''Pacific Rim 2''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Jeff Pinkner]] (''The Amazing Spider-Man 2'', ''Lost''),<ref name="deadlinewritersroom" /> [[Andrew Barrer]] and [[Gabriel Ferrari]] (''Ant-Man''),<ref name="barrerferrari">[http://deadline.com/2015/05/transformers-ant-man-andrew-barrer-gabriel-ferrari-cybertron-1201433402/ 'Ant-Man' Scribes Andrew Barrer & Gabriel Ferrari Join 'Transformers' Writers Room] on Deadline</ref> [[Ken Nolan]] (''Black Hawk Down''), and [[Geneva Robertson-Dworet]].<ref name="nolandworet">[http://www.slashfilm.com/transformers-writers-room/ Akiva Goldsman Teases 'Transformers' Franchise Plans]</ref> Involved in the pitching process are [[Steven Spielberg]], [[Michael Bay]], [[Brian Goldner]], [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]], [[Mark Vahradian]], and [[Don Murphy]].<ref name="deadlinereveal">[http://deadline.com/2015/09/transformers-writers-room-akiva-goldsman-transformers-5-1201531918/ 'Transformers' Writers Room Wraps] on Deadline</ref>
*October 3, 2015 — During his keynote speech at the MIP Junior Conference, [[Hasbro Studios]]'s [[Stephen J. Davis]] notes that the writing team has come up with film concepts for Transformers 5, 6, 7, and 8.<ref name="stephendaviskeynote">[https://youtu.be/F_P2fw_DlS4?t=812 Stephen Davis's keynote speech] at MIPJunior.</ref>[[File:TransformersUniverseBumblebeePoster.jpg|thumb|right|200px|"My sweater is Ralph Lauren, and I have no pants."]]
*February 12, 2016 — At ToyFair, Hasbro reveals the projected release date of Transformers 6, along with those of its predecessor and [[Transformers 7]], as well as the fact that Transformers 6 will focus on Bumblebee.<ref name="toyfairreveal">[http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/02/12/transformers-5-transformers-6-bumblebee-spin-off-movie-revealed-309503 Transformers 5, Transformers 6 And Bumblebee Spin-Off Movie Revealed] ToyFair news at TFW2005</ref>
*December 29, 2016 — Lorenzo di Bonaventura names Christina Hodson as the screenwriter in an interview.<ref name="hodson">[http://collider.com/transformers-5-plot-characters-dinobots-details/ 'The Last Knight' Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura Reveals How a 'Transformers' Movie Is Made] on Collider</ref>
*March 3, 2017 — [[Travis Knight]] is appointed director.<ref name="deadlinedirector">[https://deadline.com/2017/03/bumblebee-movie-travis-knight-director-kubo-and-the-two-strings-1202034882/ Travis Knight To Direct ‘Transformers’ Spinoff ‘Bumblebee’ At Paramount]</ref>
*May 26, 2017 — A poster at Licensing Expo 2017 gives the name of the film as ''Transformers Universe: Bumblebee''.<ref name="expoposter">[https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1724400/the-bumblebee-movie-just-got-a-new-title-and-a-cool-80s-logo "The Bumblebee Movie Just Got A New Title And A Cool 80s Logo"]</ref>
*June 10, 2017 — [[Hailee Steinfeld]] reveals in an interview that she's been cast in the film.<ref>[http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/pitch-perfect-pop-star-hailee-steinfeld-hits-charts-with-most-girls-single-and-lands-transformers-role/news-story/47a238f0e75bf06a0ffc34a18e9906e4 Pitch Perfect pop star Hailee Steinfeld hits charts with Most Girls single and lands Transformers role]</ref>
*July 11, 2017 — [[Jorge Lendeborg Jr.]] is reported by The Hollywood Reporter to have been cast as the male lead.<ref>[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/transformers-spinoff-bumblebee-casts-jorge-lendeborg-jr-as-male-lead-1017547 'Transformers' Spinoff 'Bumblebee' Casts Jorge Lendeborg Jr. as Male Lead (Exclusive)] on Hollywood Reporter</ref>
*July 13, 2017 — More actors including [[Jason Drucker]], [[Abby Quinn]], [[Rachel Crow]], [[Ricardo Hoyos]], and [[Gracie Dzienny]] join the cast.<ref>[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/transformers-spinoff-bumblebee-rounds-cast-1019823 'Transformers' Spinoff 'Bumblebee' Rounds Out Cast (Exclusive)]</ref>
*July 23, 2017 — [[Pamela Adlon]] joins the cast.<ref>[http://deadline.com/2017/07/pamela-adlon-bumblebee-movie-transformers-casting-1202133812/ Pamela Adlon Joins Cast Of 'Transformers' Spinoff 'Bumblebee']</ref>
*July 31, 2017 — [[John Cena]] is announced as a cast member. Also Bumblebee is a Volkswagen this time. The film is pushed back to December of 2018. Production begins,<ref name="cenareveal">[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/john-cena-joins-transformers-spinoff-bumblebee-1025411 John Cena Joins 'Transformers' Spinoff 'Bumblebee' (Exclusive)] on Hollywood Reporter</ref> with the filming going under the codename "Brighton Falls".<ref>[https://screenrant.com/transformers-bumblebee-working-title-filming-start/ Bumblebee Spinoff Working Title & Filming Start Date Revealed] on Screenrant</ref>
*August 6, 2017 — Hailee Steinfeld reveals on Twitter that her character's name is [[Charlie Watson]].<ref>[https://twitter.com/haileesteinfeld/status/894296888643432448 Tweet by Hailee Steinfeld]</ref>
*September 9, 2017 — At [[HasCon 2017]], di Bonaventura discusses some hints on the film, including that the movie is set in [[1986]].<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/09/hascon-2017-bumblebee-movie-tidbits-348630 Hascon 2017: The Bumblebee Movie Tidbits] on TFW2005</ref>[[File:BumblebeeMovie firstlook.jpg|thumb|350px|"You like jazz?"]]
*September 12, 2017 — Actor and stuntman [[Rory Markham]] reveals on Instagram that he is playing a [[Sector Seven]] agent named [[Agent Adams|Adams]]. <ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/09/12/sector-7-returns-transformers-universe-bumblebee-movie-348886 Sector 7 Returns in Transformers Universe: Bumblebee Movie] on TFW2005</ref>
*September 20, 2017 — Travis Knight reveals the first Decepticon vehicle mode in the form of a 1971 Plymouth GTX.<ref>[https://twitter.com/LAIKAStudios/status/910549230602788864 Laika Studios tweet]</ref>
*October 2, 2017 — [[Peter Cullen]] has a role in the movie.<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/10/02/peter-cullen-confirmed-bumblebee-movie-351131 Peter Cullen Confirmed In The Bumblebee Movie] on TFW2005</ref>
*October 26, 2017 — [[John Ortiz]] is revealed to be a cast member.<ref>[http://deadline.com/2017/10/john-ortiz-paramount-bumblebee-spinoff-peppermint-stxfilms-1202195412/ John Ortiz Cast In 'Bumblebee' Spinoff & 'Peppermint'] on Deadline.com</ref>
*November 12, 2017 — A wrap party for the movie reveals the movie's title as ''Bumblebee: The Movie''.<ref>[https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1724400/the-bumblebee-movie-just-got-a-new-title-and-a-cool-80s-logo The Bumblebee Movie Just Got A New Title And A Cool 80s Logo] on Cinema Blend</ref>
*December 11, 2017 — [[Martin Short]] is revealed to be doing some voice work for the film.<ref>[http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/attheshore/headliners/steve-martin-and-martin-short-head-to-borgata-for-an/article_7d516048-de98-11e7-9fa4-c7175ccf2b9d.html Steve Martin and Martin Short head to Borgata for an unforgettable evening] on pressofatlanticcity.com</ref>
*December 29, 2017 — A "first look" photo is released showing Hailee Steinfeld and Bumblebee's Volkswagen alternate mode.<ref>[https://twitter.com/AwardsCircuit/status/946794788988293121 Tweet by @AwardsCircuit]</ref>
*January 28, 2018 — During an interview at the Grammys, Hailee Steinfeld suggests Bumblebee may sing during the movie.<ref>[https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/lifestyle/8096803/hailee-steinfeld-hair-waves-2018-grammys-how-to Interview on Billboard.com]</ref>
*February 16, 2018 — At [[Toy Fair 2018]], Hasbro states that the film series will be reset after ''Bumblebee: The Movie''.<ref name="reboot" />
*April 24, 2018 — Footage of the film is shown at Cinemacon.<ref>[http://comicbook.com/movies/2018/04/26/first-bumblebee-footage-transformers-cinemacon/ First 'Bumblebee' Footage Previews the 'Transformers' Spinoff at CinemaCon] at comicbook.com</ref>
[[File:BumblebeeMovieShatter&Dropkick.jpeg|thumb|300px|"Thanks for the coffee. Sorry, I couldn't finish it. If I did, I'd be up the rest of my life."]]
*June 5, 2018 — The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAIX12F6958 official teaser trailer] is posted by Paramount Pictures, also revealing the film's title has been shortened to just ''Bumblebee''.
*June 6, 2018 — [[Charlie Adler]] reveals he is not in ''Bumblebee''.<ref>[https://twitter.com/charlie_adler/status/1004401979597025280?s=19]</ref>
*June 8, 2018 — [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] is initially stated to be in the film in a blog post on Paramount's parent company, before his name is later scrubbed from the post afterward.<ref>[http://blog.viacom.com/2018/06/bumblebee-transforms-hailee-steinfelds-life-in-first-trailer/ Original text: "But things get hectic. The military lurks. So does dreaded Decepticon Starscream." Revised text: "But things get hectic. The military lurks. So does a dreaded Decepticon."]</ref>
*July 13, 2018 — Entertainment Weekly reveals [[Angela Bassett]] and [[Justin Theroux]] will voice new Decepticons [[Shatter]] and [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] respectively.<ref>[http://ew.com/movies/2018/07/13/bumblebee-decepticon-trackers-first-look/ First Look: Bumblebee unveils two new Decepticon muscle cars]</ref>
*July 20, 2018 — A ''Bumblebee'' panel at the [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018 reveals more information on the film, such as details regarding the characters.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-bumblebee-movie-panel-in-hall-h-at-sdcc2018-jointhebuzz/41645/ Seibertron's coverage on the SDCC'18 Bumblebee panel.]</ref> Also John Cena dressed as Bumblebee.<ref>[https://twitter.com/JohnCena/status/1020800460125605890 Tweet by John Cena]</ref>
*August 26-30, 2018 — [[David Sobolov]] confirms he is part of the cast of ''Bumblebee'' as the voice of [[Blitzwing (BB)|Blitzwing]].<ref>https://twitter.com/volobos/status/1033867788824309760</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/volobos/status/1035346211392368640</ref>
*September 22-23, 2018 — Three teasers were released on various platforms with many different languages, revealing [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]'s appearance in the movie, as well as Optimus Prime's design. Additionally, shots were revealed of the three [[Triple Changer]]s in the movie, as well as [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. <ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/soundwave-and-optimus-prime-featured-in-teaser-for-next-bumblebee-movie-trailer/42075/ Seibertron's article including the two of the teasers released] and [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/new-bumblebee-movie-teaser-with-blitzwing-and-barricade/42078/ an article with one of the teasers.]</ref>
*September 24, 2018 — The official trailer is uploaded by Paramount Pictures' YouTube channel, revealing (among other things) [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and the [[Seeker (Movie)|Seeker]]s' appearances in the movie. A second international trailer is released showcasing some more scenes. An interview with Travis Knight on the new trailer is also published, revealing [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]]'s appearance in ''Bumblebee''.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcwmDAYt22k Bumblebee (2018) - New Official Trailer] and [https://www.cbr.com/bumblebee-international-trailer-optimus-prime-cybertron/ an article showcasing the international trailer.] [https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/bumblebee-trailer-breakdown-travis-knight/ Interview with Knight.]</ref>
*September 27, 2018 - Before a special showing of [[The Transformers: The Movie|the animated movie]], another interview with Travis Knight and Hailee Steinfeld was seen AND a brief scene of Charlie and Bee's first interaction.
*November 13, 2018 - ''Bumblebee'' is rated PG-13 for sci-fi violence.<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/11/13/transformers-bumblebee-movie-rated-pg-13-376496]</ref>
*November 23, 2018 - A new trailer is released showcasing some new scenes, namely, Bumblebee's Cybertronian robot mode. Another trailer is released animated with...[[Play-Doh]].<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/bumblebees-cybertronian-mode-shown-in-a-new-movie-trailer-playdoh-trailer/42450/ Seibertron's article on the 2 new trailers]</ref>
*November 27, 2018 - A new featurette demonstrates the more G1-inspired designs of the Transformers, including a proper look at Optimus's model and brief shots of [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], Wheeljack and [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]].<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFv6JVFApk Bumblebee - First Generation Design - Paramount Pictures UK]</ref>
*December 2, 2018 - Lorenzo di Bonaventura confirms [[Dylan O'Brien]] as the voice of Bumblebee.<ref>https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/12/03/transformers-bumblebee-movie-voice-actor-dylan-obrien</ref>
*December 4, 2018 - New footage of the movie drops, showing Soundwave's voice, as well as many new shots of Cybertron and the battle between Bumblebee and Blitzwing.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/soundwave-speaks-more-footage-china-release-date-and-sponsor-and-more-bumblebee-news-roundup/42538/ Seibertron's coverage of the new trailer, as well as a general roundup of new footage.]</ref>
*December 8, 2018 - Special early screenings of the film take place in specific areas. Fans who attended are given free [[Tiny Turbo Changers]] toys, and short behind-the-scenes featurettes are shown before and after the film. <ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/early-reactions-and-impressions-for-2018-live-action-transformers-bumblebee-film/42550/ Seibertron's roundup of people's thoughts on the early screening.]</ref>
{{--}}

===Changes before, during and after production===
*Travis Knight originally intended [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to make an appearance during the opening battle on Cybertron. However as ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' had Megatron frozen on Earth at this point in time, he ultimately didn't make an appearance.<ref>[https://comicbook.com/movies/2018/12/19/bumblebee-deleted-megatron-decepticon-scene/ 'Bumblebee' Deleted A Megatron Scene] on comicbook.com</ref>

==Notes==
*During production, the film was referred to in presentational material under a variety of names including "Transformers 6", "Bumblebee: The Movie", "The Bumblebee Movie", and "Transformers Universe: Bumblebee".
*An Entertainment Weekly article confirms some of the background characters in the scene set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].<ref>[https://ew.com/movies/2018/12/22/bumblebee-spoilers-classic-transformers-opening-battle/2/ EW article on the Cybertron scene]</ref>
*A Seibertron article on Jon Bailey's experience shows that Bailey auditioned for [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], meaning he was originally meant to speak.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/bumblebee-movie-voice-actor-jon-bailey-talks-about-his-experience/42553/ Seibertron article on Bailey's experience]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Bumblebee''' (バンブルビー ''Banburubī'')
*''Cantonese:'' '''Daai Wong Fung''' (大黃蜂, "Bumblebee")
*''Hungarian:'' '''ŰrDongó''' ("Space Bumblebee")
*''Korean:'' '''Bumblebee''' (범블비 ''Beombeulbi'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Dàhuángfēng''' (Taiwan, 大黃蜂; China, 大黄蜂, "Bumblebee")
*''Russian:'' '''Bumblebee''' (Бамблби ''Bamblbi'')

==References==
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==External links==
*{{w|Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee}} on Wikipedia
*[[IMDB:tt4701182|Bumblebee]] on IMDB

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2018-12-22T03:58:23Z

Jman98: /* Characters */

FIRRIB

2010-11-19T04:31:38Z

Jman98:

{{quote|Yes, in AHM Rumble is RED.|[[Joana Lafuente]] <ref>[http://khaamar.deviantart.com/art/All-Hail-Megatron-9-cover-112520321 Joana LaFuente's response.]</ref>|center=true}}
{{quote|Okay guys, let's get this right this time. Rumble is BLUE, Frenzy is RED!|[[Derrick J. Wyatt]] <ref>[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/12/first-we-crack-shell.html Derrick Wyatt's opinion]</ref>|center=true}}
{{quote|[Frenzy]'s blue because Hasbro said so.|[[Shane McCarthy]] <ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffvrLk_6Seo#t=28s Shane McCarthy's response during IDW's panel at San Diego Comic-Con 2008.]</ref>|center=true}}
[[Image:Rumble and frenzy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Rumble and Frenzy. Or Frenzy and Rumble. Whatever.]]
An acronym sometimes bandied about by fans, '''FIRRIB''' means "[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is red, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is blue". The phrase originated on [[alt.toys.transformers]] circa 1994, essentially as a (largely joking) rallying cry for those who favored [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]] over various other media portrayals of the Transformers. In time, the counterpoint '''FIBRIR''' emerged, standing for "Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red". The forms RIBFIR and RIRFIB are also known.

The debate revolves around the colors of the [[Decepticon]] [[Mini-Cassette]]s, Rumble and Frenzy. It was [[Hasbro]]'s intent that Rumble be black and red, and Frenzy be two shades of blue. These color schemes are used in the toyline, [[Marvel Comics]] and many storybooks and ancillary media from the early years of [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]], and naturally, it was intended for the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon series]] to render the characters in this manner as well (as proven by the show's [[production bible]], which identifies Rumble as the "red robot"). However, as a result of some unspecified error somewhere in production, the two robots had their color schemes swapped, leaving the animated incarnation of Rumble blue, and Frenzy red.

Due to the widespread recognition the cartoon received, the concept of Rumble as the blue robot was ingrained into the minds of many viewers. As such, years later, [[Fandom|fans]] would argue vehemently (though often tongue-in-cheek) over which coloration was "correct", based mainly on their personal preference for the cartoon or comic.

The FIRRIB movement was codified by a cartoon fan named Scott Wells in 1994<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_frm/thread/7f7aa2ec041325c4/d066fdb5fb0bdaf9?lnk=gst&q=FIRRIB#d066fdb5fb0bdaf9 ATT FAQ file, 1994]</ref>, who coined the acronym FIRRIB. The FIRRIB idea quickly caught on with other cartoon fans on alt.toys.transformers, frequently appearing in signature files; its counterpoint, the comic- and toy-based FIBRIR, soon appeared as well. After endless discussion threads fueled by little more than personal preference, the subject eventually landed in the group's FAQ file as a do-not-ask question.<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/75181b5ca5175ca3?&q=FIRRIB+FAQ ATT FAQ file, 1998]</ref>

The Japanese dub of the Generation 1 cartoon rectified the error, making the animation match the toys by simply switching the characters' names around.

As later incarnations of the characters draw on both the cartoon and toys as influences, the waters have become muddier still:

Items in the following table are listed in release order. E.g., the original toys came first.

{|border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:left"
!
!Frenzy
!Rumble
|-
![[The Transformers (toyline)|Original toys]]
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"| Blue
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"| Red
|-
![[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comics]]
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"| Blue
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"| Red
|-
![[Ladybird Books]]
|style="color:#000;background:#fff;"|none
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
![[Kid Stuff]]
|style="color:#000;background:#fff;"|none
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
![[The Transformers (cartoon)|US cartoon]]
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|-
![[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Japanese cartoon]]
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
![[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave comics]]
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
![[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers continuity|Devil's Due comics]]
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|-
![[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW comics]]
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
![[Alternators]] toys
|style="color:#000;background:#fff;"|none
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
![[Diamond Select Toys|Diamond Select]]
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|-
![[Music Label]] earphones
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
![[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]
|style="color:#000;background:#fff;"|none
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
![[Transformers G1: Awakening|G1: The Awakening]]
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red
|-
!Transformers: United
|style="color:#fff;background:#00f;"|Blue
|style="color:#000;background:#f00;"|Red

|}

It is generally agreed that pointing out Rumble was actually kinda purple in the original cartoon is not helpful (particularly since he still has blue in the places where Frenzy has red). Nor is pointing out the fact that for a brief moment in the movie (when Rumble, Frenzy, [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], and [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] jam [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s transmission) ''both'' of them were red. Or that the Marvel US coloring had Rumble as red ''and blue''. Or that the ''[[Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bot]] [[Frenzy (G1)#Generation_2_2|version]] of Frenzy was purple, and the planned corresponding Rumble was to be both red and blue.

==Similar cases==
While the coloration of Frenzy and Rumble is the most well-known instance of the original cartoon's color choices not matching the [[toy]]s its [[character]]s are based on, there are similar cases, some of which have also resulted in fan dissent regarding the question which is to be considered the "correct" coloration for the character in question:
* [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert's]] toy sported a black head, but possibly in order to differentiate him further from his [[mold]]-mate [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], the cartoon changed the head's color to red. His comic appearances usually use the toy's black head, while new toys are a mixed bag ([[TakaraTomy]] leans more towards a [[show-accuracy|cartoon-accurate]] red head, while [[Hasbro]] appears to prefer the original toy's black head). Thus far, however, none of Takara's [[Generation 1 reissues|reissues]] of the original toy have featured a show-accurate red head.
* [[Grapple]]'s original toy sported a black head, but the cartoon changed it to orange, possibly to differentiate him further from his mold-mate [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]]. The episode "[[Auto Berserk]]", however, consistently gave him a (mostly) toy-accurate black head. The [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comics]] once again followed the toy's coloration.
*[[Bluestreak]] is a huge mess: While early catalogs depicted him in a blue and silver deco based on his original [[Diaclone]] colors, which is also used for the [[instructions]] and the toy's [[package art]], the toy itself sports an entirely silver deco for the vehicle mode. The cartoon, on the other hand, gave him a silver and black vehicle mode deco based on ''another'' Diaclone color scheme. Later toys have alternatively used variations of any of the three color schemes, although only Takara have thus far released a reissue of the original toy in "show colors" through [[e-Hobby]], and there has been no reissue in the "blue" Diaclone deco at all yet.
*Then there's the thing with [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain's]] [[character model|animation model]] using the colors of an early [[prototype]] (as shown in early [[stock photography|catalogs]]), while the actual toy sports an entirely different deco... and Takara released a variation of the toy in yet ''another'' different deco. Takara later released a reissue of the original toy in a color scheme resembling (but not identical to) the prototype through e-Hobby, while other toys by Hasbro and Takara have been alternatively based on any of the three decos.

==Notes==
[[Image:RumbleisRed.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Product #5731 also includes Ravage.]]
*In the season 1 episode "[[Heavy Metal War]]", [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] displays files on the Decepticons. The texts are, for the most part, lifted directly from the show's [[production bible]], including Hasbro's product code numbers for the toys (which are listed on the toys' [[packaging]]). As a consequence, Rumble (misspelled "Runble") is given the detail "red robot".
*The ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron|War for Cybertron]]'' video game uses the cartoon "FIRRIB" color choices for its [[Frenzy (Prime)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (Prime)|Rumble]] characters. Though clearly patterned after their ''Generation 1'' predecessors, they represent different-universe versions of these [[character]]s, so they're listed here instead of the chart above.
{{-}}

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.lilformers.com/index.php/2007/03/20/lil-formers-38-rumblefrenzy/ LilFormers' answer to this dilemma.]
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Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)

2010-11-14T21:48:22Z

Jman98: /* G1 */

== G1 Characters ==

Why are we linking to the G1 characters? I thought this was supposed to be something new. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:10, 11 December 2009 (EST)

:There's really no way of knowing for sure until we have more information about the storyline and characters. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:20, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::I really, really doubt they won't be Primax characters, new continuity or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::Agree that's that most likely the case. But I do sort of wonder if maybe this game is going to end up being some sort of prequel-y tie-in to the new cartoon/franchise that's coming. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:15, 11 December 2009 (EST)

== It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I mean, seriously different. Should we ask Hasbro?
:Well, not sure about asking Hasbro, we'll know soon enough one way or the other. But IMO, bad information is worse than no information. Assuming that these guys are G1 is just that - an assumption. We should tread lightly. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:29, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::They use the G1 logo, Cybertron's from [[Alpha Centauri]], and the roster includes only G1 dudes. I'd say "assumption" isn't really strong enough of a word. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::I think we should wait for a confirmation that it's a G1 universe before making assumptions. The roster so far only includes G1 dudes. If we made that assumption, the movieverse would be part of G1 (early on only G1 based characters were announced. It could simply be like animated and it references things heavily. [[User:Eire]] 16.03 Dec 15 09 (OUTC)
:::The TFW2005 interview states it's "not connected to any particular generation" and that this will be the foundation for newer sub-franchises. That does indicate this isn't G1 but yet another continuity. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 16:31, 23 December 2009 (GMT)
::::It would certainly seem to. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Alrighty. Hopefully at some point we'll have a good parenthetical for this new continuity ... family. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:46, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::::::How about "WFC"? [[User:ThiAthEhn]]
:::::::I agree. It has been stated in interviews that this is a new continuity and the character designs seem to be taking influence from a number of previous incarnations; mostly War Within, Transformers Animated and the live-action movies. It would be difficult to make the case that these are meant to be direct variations on the G1 characters. I second the idea of using "WFC" to classify them. [[User: Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 10:17, 19 January 2010 (GMT)
:::::: This IS a diffrent continuity- IGN Preview "Freed from the constraints of a movie license, the new Transformers game lives within its own universe." The TWF2005 preview and interview, multiple times in Game Informer's articles and alot in the Podcast on the same site. It's just heavily inspired by G1. I didn't want to change anything because I don't want to start an edit war over this. [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 17:23, 16 January 2010 (EST)
::::::: Something can still be a new universe while being part of an existing [[continuity family]]. [[Henkei! Henkei!]] was a new universe that was still G1, as was [[Classics (2006)|Classics]] and the IDW stuff. What's important to the wiki is whether this will be a new continuity family, not just strictly a new universe. New universes happen all the time. New continuity families are much more rare. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:37, 19 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::: The thing is, it is (and always has been) a bit of a subjective value judgement alot of the time. How much similarity to G1 do we need to make something definately G1? Or does it work the other way? How big a New Element (minicons, cyberkeys,) do we need to make it difinitively it's own ConFam? Authorial intent definately has to be part of it too. Anything that specifically calls itself G1 is obvious, and anything that seems to be trying to pick up the original G1 characters/situations themselves even if it's in new forms or directions, alla IDW (although even that can be tricky to judge, agaiin HOW MUCH change makes a break?)... When we have as little info as we do right now on WfC it's almost impossible to judge what it will become. Do we have an editorial policy (and if not should we?) saying "Something new that seems G1-ish IS, until we see differences enough to prove it's not," or vice-versa "anything new is to be considered it's own continuity until we've seen enough to feel if it's G1-continuity family?" A set plan either way might make these situations a bit less random in the future. Maybe?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:48, 19 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::lostcount: I would be ''highly'' surprised if WFC turns out to represent a whole new continuity family. We've already accepted too many retellings and revisions of G1 as being part of G1 for this one to fairly be split out, unless it has something that is an inescapable telltale mark of a separate confam, i.e. they're fighting for the Movie Allspark. "Its prehistory is very slightly different" will not be good enough, as is shown by the comfortable confam coexistence of FFOD, War Within, and Stormbringer. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:01, 21 January 2010 (EST)
:[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66275 And the Club Magazine's leading questions] imply that this is indeed G1. Maybe even a previous G1. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:04, 25 January 2010 (EST)
By what you just showed, it'll be a part of the G1 Continuity family (I still question that its anything more than "influenced by it" I mean what constitutes a G1 Confam..yes IDW and Dreamwave are under it, but is the same true for an animated series? I mean honestly, If that were true, then Transformers Animated would be a part of the G1 Confam, and its not.) but shouldn't it have its own section near the bottom at some point, (for game, toys, series, etc.) sense apparently (and this is news to me) your link seems to state its based on its own upcoming series.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
EDIT: Sorry to be posting an additional edit: but I have a distinct feeling, and am going to risk being wrong to call it now: An upcoming comic-tie in to it that basically further stretches whether it should be its own Confam or not.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

To me, this seems every bit as G1 as War Within - Yeah it branches out into it's own story but it's hard to deny that this isn't just as G1 as DW or IDW comics given the use of characters and story telling style. {{unsigned|220.233.21.27}} 08:55, 28 June 2010

I just played through the whole game - This game could not be any more G1 even if it tried harder. I don't see how this can be in the same continuity as TF:Prime when it's so undeniably G1. It belongs as part of the G1 continuity family not TF:Prime which appears to be it's own movie inspired continuity. The game is not like Animated in which it 'borrows and adapts' elements from G1, this game actually is G1 down to how characters are portrayed and roles they are assigned as well as the story telling structure. {{unsigned|220.233.21.27|04:40, 11 July 2010 (EDT)}}
:How do you know it's not like Prime? Character designs? Pah. I could use that strawman to declare the Don Figueroa era of the Ongoing an AU too, you know, or TF: Bumblebee being non-canon with said Ongoing. We know next to nothing about TF: Prime, you have no basis whatsoever to say it can't be just as heavily G1-inspired as WFC is. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:57, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

How can you tell that it is? We had two conflicting official sources one saying that it is and one saying that it isn't. I rather go by what the game developers say than what Hasbro marketing says thank you very much. {{unsigned|220.233.21.27}}
:The game developers are saying that it's G1 so it sells better. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:25, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:Well, that's your prerogative, but I'd think as Hasbro, the guys who license Transformers out to places like Atari and Activision and IDW, would know more about what fits where than Activision/High Moon Studios would. Perhaps the developpers initially wanted to go the "Generation 1" route, but then Hasbro saw the storyline and thought it fit just as well in "Prime" and decided to announce it as such to help promote the new show. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:26, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

I have a feeling that when TF:Prime finally arrives it will make absolutely no reference whatsoever to WFC and at the end of the day it was just marketing guys talking. I played the game, the game is clearly designed to be G1 despite what Hasbro may blab on about. {{unsigned|Same dude who can't sign his posts}}
:Please. At this point G1 had so many alternate interpretations it's impossible for anything to be qualified as "clearly G1". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:46, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

But all the interpretations are regarded as G1. Animated isn't G1, Unicron Trilogy isn't G1 and so on. It is very clear what is G1 and what isn't. {{unsigned|220.233.21.27}}

Sign your posts! And look, right now, Hasbro is the authority on Transformers. Right now, Hasbro declares WFC part of Prime. Right now, Prime is not G1. So right now, we have WFC separate from G1. If ever the line is blurred or those statements clearly contradicted, we'll give you a call and change it. Until then, this is the safest and easiest way for us to document the new stuff and it's not going to get changed because one anon doesn't agree. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 08:31, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

Just voicing my views not requesting change. No need to be so defensive and I am yet to see anything solid from Hasbro saying that this is part of TF: Prime and something tells me that we won't. Personally I believe that calling WFC as part of TF:Prime is premature.

== The New trailer ==

should we make a summary of the trailer?--[[User:Defect|Defect]] 14:25, 12 January 2010 (EST)
: The link to the trailer is probably enough. A play-by-play would be a bit excessive. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:27, 12 January 2010 (EST)
:: Isn't the point of our wiki to be excessive? --[[User:ThiAthEhn]]
preety much.

== Logos ==

I'm guessing the answer is no, but have the developers released any images of the characters on a white background that we can use to make some logos for the Main Page? I know we're not sure who the characters ''are'' yet, but we can link them to the WFC page for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:34, 13 January 2010 (EST)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:13, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::Of course, the current logo doesn't look too bad on the main page.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:14, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::I think he means the center TFwiki one with the rotating characters. If we want to cut people out of screencaps with photoshop, we could probably add some WfC ones to the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:21, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::I cropped a WfC out of his concept art and inserted him into the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:59, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::::Awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:08, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::::And a Megatron. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:10, 13 January 2010 (EST)

== Starscream? ==

Who says that '''black and grey''' seeker in the "Megatron and Starscream prepare for the ground assault" picture is Starscream? It's much more likely it's Skywarp.-[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 01:00, 26 January 2010 (EST)
: He has blue and red, though. It's just overwhelmed by the lighting. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:30, 24 January 2010 (EST)
::Plus, aside from the obvious color shadings (if you look), who are usually considered the three most popular Decepticons? Megatron, Soundwave and Starscream. It doesn't really make much sense for Skywarp to be along the line-up in Starscream's place. There IS another jet flying around the battle however. - [[User:Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 14:38, 10 February 2010
Alright, my bad :( --[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 18:54, 10 February 2010 (EST)

== Toys Confirmed, mention here? ==

So we've had the existance of WfC toys confirmed by non-leeky sources (Game Informer, Fun pub) now my question is do they rate a mention here on this page. Generally they'd ust be mentioned on the character pages but this is pretty much the first time ever a TF Video game has gotten its own toys. Worth a Trivia entry? Or it's own sub-section? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 11:52, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:We do need to start mentioning it as news becomes official, but it's not true that this is the only Transformers game that's had its own toys. Several of the designs from the both live-action film games had toys made of them, and a Decepticlone from the Armada video game got made into an Attactix figure. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:: Can we count on you for the photos? --[[User: ThiAthEhn|ThiAthEhn]]
::: What? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:15, 27 January 2010 (EST)

We have official stock photos for two toys now, that aren't from the club. Not sure where we want to put them.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:00, 27 January 2010 (EST)
: It would help if we knew the name of the toyline they were being featured in. For now, put them on this page, I think, just because we're building this article as an attraction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:03, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::Done. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:08, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::Is it just me or do those look like movie-ized versions of the Animated designs? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:39, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::: I'd say more "Classics-ized" versions of the Animated designs myself. Regardless yes it's pretty clear that the Animated, Movie, and Classics aesthetics all influenced their development, which makes sense, those being the last three main TF lines.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)

Ultra Magnus gets also his own toy.--[[Special:Contributions/CAJH|CAJH]] 17:35, 10 August 2010 (EST)

:Forget my previous message. The toy is not similar than version of Ultra Magnus in WFC. This is the link to the image: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_G96gxvrHqrE/TGHuk6mTUkI/AAAAAAAAJG4/6TJL3upLNf4/s1600/TFFanUltraMagnus1.jpg--[[Special:Contributions/CAJH|CAJH]] 09:02, 12 August 2010 (EST)
::That's a custom. It's a repainted Prime with Energon Barricade's head. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:18, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

== Fresh trailer guys ==

http://kotaku.com/5480780/first-look-at-transformers-war-for-cybertron-gameplay-footage

Nothing spectacularly surprising, but looks quite awesome.

ThiAthEhn
: Yeah, uh, that's already in the article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:46, 26 February 2010 (EST)

Seriously? This one has actual gameplay, something I haven't seen in the other ones...
ThiAthEhn
: Third link in "external links" at the bottom, dude. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:08, 27 February 2010 (EST)

==Character Sources?==
I think it may be wise to put up the sources for each new character, or at least an image of them. Not all of us have the good fortune of reading Kotaku to know Grimlock is actually in the game. Just a suggestion, however. In a few months it won't matter anyway.[[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 20:39, 28 February 2010 (EST)
: For many characters, this isn't possible. For example, we know about the two Aerialbots from Toy Fair 2010, to which we we can't link because recording anything was forbidden. And an image of Grimlock is down in the gallery, so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)

==Release date==
Gamestop seems to think this game is coming out on June 22, not July 22 as this article states. They even guarantee its delivery on that date if you preorder! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:46, 2 March 2010 (EST)
sweetness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

== Motormaster ==

Here is a picture that maybe shows Motormaster in the Nintendo DS Version:
http://cache-10.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_5231_02_0098_20100119-cli1.jpg

Also, on the tfw2005 board it has been statet that motormaster will be in the game.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/293592-war-cybertron-kotaku-articles-ds-version-5.html
: I can take [[Marcelo Matere]]'s word on it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:01, 6 March 2010 (EST)

== Interview and more gameplay and footage ==

http://kotaku.com/5493784/building-the-ultimate-transformers-origin-story

Always possible that you've already seen it, but here it is, feel free to add.

-Aaron Archer

-It apparantly IS G1, not seperate.

-Scorponok (?) (!) boss battle?

-And much more...

ThiAthEhn

== No PSP option... ==

Has there been any word, in an interview or announcement, as to why no PSP version of the game has been announced (and may not be, for that matter)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 00:28, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== [edit] It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I think its a "revised"
backstory on g1 before they crashed into Mt. St. Helens 4,000,000 years ago. [[User:LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN|LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN]] 15:55, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== Voice actor thing ==

I find it hard to believe that if a site was playing April Fools on people, they wouldn't own up to the fact to tell people they got sucked in bad. Also, they posted it before April Fools and have subsequently removed all traces of the offending "false" information from the article. Anybody remember the kerfuffle over the 2008 reveal of The Fallen's role in ROTF? Same thing happened - articles swiftly edited to remove information the Bay deemed unfit for publication at the time. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:43, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
:The Activision folks also sent e-mails to Seibertron and TFormers, and Lonegamer says she actually spoke to an Activision rep on the phone on the Allspark's behalf.
:So... if it is a coverup, it's at least one that spreads beyond that one site. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:04, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
::Also, the ROTF 2008 cover up - we documented that information on the wiki for posterity. I take it we're not going to do the same for this event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:08, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
:::That felt like a cover-up. See, that was about denying that a movie called REVENGE OF THE FALLEN was about a character called THE FALLEN. This doesn't feel like a cover-up to me. It feels like some video game site got their information off Wikipedia again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Except that it's a rather large, detailed, substantial article that started with "AusGamers was recently invited out to High Moon Studios in San Diego" and "Some familiar voices were being thrown about the demo [insert voice actor information]". Unless the entire article is based on falsehoods and assumptions, they went up to High Moon Studios. They saw the game in action. They talked to the people who made it. Not "We made this shit up by piecing it together from things we heard online, especially Wikipedia." --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:25, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::The whole article reeked of Did Not Do The Research. Cullen's name was misspelled, they referred to Chris Latta's real name and stage name as separate people... So yeah, I'm going to go with "idiots" over "cover-up". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:26, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
According to IMDB, Soundwave is played by [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0071818/ Jeff Bennet]. Is this legit enough for this wiki? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:22, 3 June 2010 (EDT)
:Nuh-uh. IMDB is like Wiki where any user can edit the content, be it actual or junk. I rather wait till an official announcement from either Activision or High Moon themselves. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:54, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

== New Characters' pages? ==
VM: Would I ask why nearly all characters except Demolishor are linked to their G1 incarnation? Why not make a new one WfC?
: We're not exactly sure how WFC/Prime is going to play out continuity family-wise. Until then, it's safest to link to their G1 versions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:00, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
::VM: I see, but I think personally they should have their own, but its only my opinion :)

VM: I still think new pages are needed, as for example Demolishor got one because he wasnt presented in G1, and it seems WFC isnt fully related to the G1. {{unsigned|89.235.30.9}}

:The main problem with doing that is that we aren't quite sure of their continuity yet, we don't want to make completely new pages and then find out "Oops, they're part of G1" and then have to merge their pages together. It's best just to leave the issue alone until we have more information.--[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 16:29, 9 May 2010 (EDT)

VM: I think that now its closer to a new continuity. Jetfire was during the war a Decepticon, not a Autobot. He joined to the Autobots on the Earth, while here he joined, or always was, on Autobot's side. I am not suggesting it to make these pages now, just there is a small piece of info which is for a new continuity.{{unsigned|89.235.30.9}}
:I'm pretty sure Jetfire was an Autobot in the War Within series. Really, WFC is drawing inspiration from all parts of G1. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:31, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, details like that don't mean splitting the articles. Jetfire's origins differ even more wildly than that between the G1 cartoon (lost before the war, defrosted, defected), Marvel comics (Created on Earth by the Creation Matrix) and Dreamwave (An Autobot on Cybertron during the war). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
Most of them are clearly G1 characters so WfC info should go on their (G1) pages. Demolishor is clearly his UT character so his WfC info should go on his (Armada) page. No problem. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:13, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure Demolishor is just an homage and not the same character as the guy from Armada (unless dimension-hopping was involved). That's a bit like saying that Robots in Disguise and G1 Optimus Prime are the same. Robots in Disguise Prime evokes the original, but they're different people. Still, we'll just have to wait and see. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Not the cartoon continuity Demolishor or the Armada comic continuity Demolishor. Just the character Demolishor in the WfC continuity. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:39, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::'''That Is Not How The Wiki Works.''' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:57, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Well sure, but Hasbro doesn't seem to be playing by the rules lately. It was just a suggestion. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:12, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Just because Hasbro's not playing by the rules doesn't mean we have to follow suit. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
Can we please just drop the issue for now like I suggested?--[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 00:55, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== Jazz? ==

The scout in the multiplayer traier looks alot like Jazz and when you hover over the pre-order button on thier website I am pretty sure its Jazz next to Shockwave

== Image Captions/Quotes ==

So for the 1986 Transformer movie, there were a bunch of quotes from Star Wars: A New Hope. Then for the 2007 movie, there were quotes from the 1986 movie. And for RotF, we did quotes from The Empire Strikes Back. I'm wondering if we should do quotes from the Halo series for the image captions for War for Cybertron. What do you think?

And in a somewhat related manner, I might have found what could possibly be the [http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp251/Darth_Shadow_91/warforcybertroncoverart.jpg boxart] for WfC. If we use it, I have a proposed quote.

''Men, keep your eyes downrange, fingers on the trigger, and we all come home in one piece. Am I right, Marines?''

Sgt. Avery Johnson, Halo: Combat Evolved

[[User:Darth Shadow 91|Darth Shadow 91]] 23:45, 29 April 2010 (EST)
:By that logic we could use Zelda or Mario quotes. Anyways, as always, unless there's some definite theme in the captions (Like Animated Wreck-Gar's page), no caption, or the caption is just a ''really'' bad joke, the captions are up to whoever adds the image.[[User:Monty Prime|Monty Prime]] 01:18, 30 April 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, couldn't we use Gears of War quotes? The two games run on extremley similar engines, have the same "gritty dark" feel, same gameplay mechanics, and I think a few Gears quotes could work well. Hate to kick a dead-ish topic, just an idea. [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 20:59, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
::I like the Halo quote idea! Ironhide's picture: "Figured I'd shoot my way out, mix things up a little." Omega Supreme's picture: "Relax, I'd rather not piss this thing off." Megatron: "I wondered who the Autobots would send to silence me. A Prime? I'm flattered." Bumblebee: "Little people first!"
::For Starscream joining the Decepticons, "What would you have your Arbiter do?" [[User:Darth Shadow 91|Darth Shadow 91]] 00:36, 06 June 2010 (EST)

== New characters ==

Over [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/war-for-cybertron---tfw2005-visits-high-moon-studios--gameplay-impressions-169615/ here], it looks like Arcee, Slipstream, and some others are in the mix. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 12:54, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Those were supposed to be still under ''embargo''... -_-; --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:10, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:: Yeah, TFW doesn't really ''give a shit'' about your stupid informational release dates. They're too busy being BEST AND FIRST. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:28, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::: There's definitely an Arcee-mould character in the new Multiplayer trailer along with characters sharing moulds with Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave, so we can probably confirm that one. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:44, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Where the hell are people getting Rumble and Frenzy from? Also, since Slipstream only shows up in the "embargo" pics, should we even mention her at all, let alone give her an article? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:51, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Embargo's been lifted (I think). As for Frenzy and Rumble, one of the concept art shows two that resemble the Casseticons, especially the blue with pile drivers. --[[User:Lonegamer78|lonegamer78]] 17:03, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

::::::If it helps, the trailer is also [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aAxxAJOMt8 here] - and as noted in the [[Talk:Slipstream (Prime)|talk page]] for the new Slipstream, you can see what looks to be her running towards the camera at about 1:20-1:21 (just before it switches to Arcee). --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 19:25, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
but aren't they just multiplayer character models/pre-order only? --[[Special:Contributions/98.204.17.1|98.204.17.1]] 17:45, 26 May 2010 (EDT)
:Short Answer: No. Long Answer: Well, probably not, they're almost crtainly actual characters in the story version of the game from what we've seen, but no one will know 100% for sure until the game is out and we play through and see. But still, likely, no. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:00, 26 May 2010 (EDT)
Actual answer: they are multiplayer chassis / escelation mode characters. However jazz and arcee do make an appearance in a level in the autobot campaign. They're well hidden so I encourage you to find them for yourself. {{unsigned|72.113.21.56|01:32, 9 August 2010 (EDT)}}

== So what do we do now that there is a comic? ==

[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/war-for-cybertron-preorder-bonus-idw-war-for-cybertron-1/18621/ Comic news], do we just put up a Disambig or start a full fledged Franchise treatment? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 16:52, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:I rather wait for further info or when any one of us gets a copy. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:22, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::[http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=167925&postcount=6 more info]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:35, 22 May 2010 (EDT)
:::"Based on selected passages from the novel TRANSFORMERS: EXODUS..." So the comic is tied very closely to the novel. It sounds like they are all the same franchise. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:45, 22 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Picked my copy up and it is rather a bit more close to Exodus from the reviews elsewhere. While I don't have a copy of Exodus on hand yet, the charges against Megatron that includes bombing Six Lasers Over Cybertron and kidnapping Sentinel Prime is mentioned. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 18:20, 24 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Feel free to edit the article I set up at my [[User:Lonegamer78/Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|sandbox]] until we can figure out where to place the comic's article. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:52, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

== For now... ==

...I'm deciding WfC is classified as a Primax-cluster universe. Now that the toys are sort of out, we really need to stick them ''somewhere''. And there's been nothing indicated that its universe isn't terribly G1y. This could change in the future as we come to understand its universe better, but we can move it then. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:56, 2 June 2010 (EDT)
:I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:49, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

== Division by Game? ==

At some point soon are we going to need to give this page a major overhaul? From the sounds of it the Wii and DS versions are going to have signifigant enough character and play differnces that talking about it all as "one single game" would likely become counterproductive. Don't have the time right now to check but isn't that how we've handled multiplatform games in the past? A 360/PS3 section, a Wii section and a DS section? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:15, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
:I know there are two seperate articles for the PS1 and N64 versions of the Beast Wars Transmetal fighting games. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 16:54, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
::The games actually have different names, as well. The Wii version is called Transformers: Cybertron Adventures. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:55, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
:Usually there's seperate pages for different versions of the games, there'll probably be one for this game too. Might be better to wait until they're out though. -- [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 00:25, 11 June 2010 (GMT)

== Matt Tieger Says... ==
I am, right now, listening to a Kotaku podcast where they are interviewing Matt Tieger, and he says War for Cybertron is "like a prequel to G1." http://ca.kotaku.com/5559654/its-a-prime-time-to-talk-transformers
So, is this confirmation of being G1, or do we still wait until the game or official fiction is released? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:01, 9 June 2010 (EDT)
:I think the keywords is that he used "like a" on describing WfC. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:07, 9 June 2010 (EDT)
Another note from the podcast: Matt Tieger says that Corey Burton is NOT the voice of Shockwave, but rather they got a sound-alike. Should this be worth mentioning? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:17, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
:: Matt Tieger has also said that WFC is a direct prequel to the G1 cartoon, which is impossible on several levels given what we know. I think a lot of what he says is to get people to buy the game (SHOCK SHOCK I KNOW) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:19, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

== DS Version ==

Source for all of these "DS-only" guys? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:34, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
: People who've played the game. I myself have seen Kup and Dirge fairly early on in the Toys R Us demo version. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:38, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
:: After going through the game, Kup's actually not playable, never featured beyond his portrait appearing in the tutorial. Hot Rod, on the other hand, is in, though he's named Hot Shot. On the decepticon side, there's also Ramjet, Motormaster and Dragstrip--[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 05:46, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

==Box Art==

I have a picture of the Box Art, should I upload it, and if there's a version already here, shouldn't we use it as the Main Picture? [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 13:28, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

==

== I know some missons! ==

I resantly looked at campaign and misson desighn and it showed the names of some missons lets add that.
:Where did you look at them? Were they officially released by Hasbro/the programming company? If not, then they are not eligible for inclusion on this wiki. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:54, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
yes,
confirmed misson names are
defend iacon,
death of hope,
the final guardian,
fuel of war,
iacon destroyed,
false propaganda,
decagon plaza
these are a few confirmed missons
:Where were they released? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:57, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
Confirmed by high moon.
:Where? When? Source, please? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:59, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
www.transformersgame.com go to media videos then behind the sceans campagn and misson desighn then when hes choosing a level he scrolls throgh these levels.

== Profiles? ==

Should we bother linking to all of the available official website character profiles, or are we just going to remove the existing links once the game comes out? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:07, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
: They count as G1 canon so we should keep them linked to their G1 counterparts.--[[User:Primetime]] 12:06, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
:: That's not what Jeysie is talking about. She's talking about the links to the official WFC website. "official website character profiles." Me, uh, I don't really have an opinion. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:10, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
::: Yeah, Walky got it in one.
::: I guess my confusion was... I wasn't sure if the links were intended as information (in which case, might as well keep 'em), or just as sources for the character being in the game (in which case, once we get an official credits list from the game itself, said sources aren't really needed).
::: Not that I'm fussed either way... I just was itching to be consistent, and wasn't sure if that involved linking or deleting. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:14, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
:::: For me, more info is almost always better. Link!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:23, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

==Name?==

Is there a name for the guy I'm referring to as "Giant Autobot tank thing that you fight before Zeta Prime"? He has lines and stuff, but he didn't really look like anybody I recognized. (I refuse to call him by the name "that guy who kicked my ass about a dozen times until I got lucky.") {{unsigned|Skyshock Thunderblast}} 09:22, 25 June 2010
:I'm pretty sure he's just a generic. You fight a few more during the Decepticon campaign, and some more during the Autobot campaign. I know they call the Decepticon ones "Destroyers," but I'm not sure what the Autobot ones are called. The loading-screen hints refer to them as, simply, Tanks. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:30, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
::I had assumed "Destroyer" was for both Autobots and Decepticons with that body-type. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:06, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I assumed that as well, but I was just going with what I knew for certain. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:27, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
:::: I would SWEAR I heard one of the other Autobots refer to him by name. Well, Matt Tieger from Full Moon is at BC this year. Ask him? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:56, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
::::: Tanks for Autobots, Destroyers for Decepticons, according to the subtitles.
== DS Profile Pictures ==

Any use in screenshots for the characters as they appear in the DS Game? Will also be able to get console versions soon too.
--[[User:Scatterlung|Scatterlung]] 14:22, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

== Who's the blue Autobot Tank? ==
In the concept art (autobot recruits section, i believe) and the credits, there is a blue Autobot tank that clearly is not a blue version of Warpath, and looks like a completely different design. Is this a reference to a real Transformers character? ''(i don't know everything there is to know about transformers, so to those who do, please have mercy...)'' [[Special:Contributions/24.145.176.54|24.145.176.54]] 14:08, 26 June 2010 (EDT)unregistered contributor (has accounts on other wikis, but doesn't work on this one)
:I'd say Twin Twist; while it's obviously not a jumpstarter, he's the closest thing to a blue and white Autobot tank I could find. The real mystery is why the Constructicon truck and this guy aren't in the game, since those faction/classes only have one mesh right now.
::I strongly doubt it's Twin Twist. Can you give us any more details about the character? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 20:59, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I think it's just the model for the generic Autobot tank soldiers you fight in the game. It may not actually be that color of blue (some of the character models aren't the final colors). --[[User:RookJones|RookJones]] 00:28, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::::It certainly isn't, because there aren't any. Is there any real reason it can't be Twin Twist? I can post a pic, but he doesn't look much like anyone in particular (much as the purple/green constructicon doesn't either). Tanks (or heavy enough to be tanks) are rare enough on the Autobot side to narrow it down pretty quickly: the only guys that jump out at me are Twin Twist or animated Sentinel Prime. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/pnakotus/tf/IMG_0550.jpg. [[Special:Contributions/118.208.127.90|118.208.127.90]]
:I have the 360 game the guy is in the credits sinama. I think he may be a sneek peak at ultar magnus for this game but thats just my gess. {{unsigned|74.103.61.137}} 06:12, 28 June 2010
:The PC version, having all the bot names apparent on characters' model files, names him as Scattershot.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:50, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Aha, so I was right. Because his head, colors, and altmode are 100% Cybertron Defense [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:54, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

The blue tank (my opinion) must be Scattorshot because Scattorshot doesn't look like a blue Warpath, he's a dlc character, and he is a soldier (like a Warpath)

== Maybe its time for a cleanup ==

The game is out, the preview stuff is now irrelevant, and solid information regarding plot, characters, continuity etc is available. Devoting 33% of the article to a promotional webgame that hasn't told us anything for six months is ... strange.
:I've worked a bit on the article today. Did a synopsis for the 360 version, but I don't own the Wii or DS ones. Someone else will have to help with those. --[[User:RookJones|RookJones]] 00:27, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::I'd suggest moving the Gallery to the end, using a more TFwiki standard arrangement of images/references/voice actors/etc, removing the useless 'Transmission Recovery' section, and expanding the references section (Primus, conversion cog, etc). [[Special:Contributions/203.37.31.200|203.37.31.200]]
:::Perhaps the 'Transmission Recovery' section could be split into a new article? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:24, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Sure, but the game isn't playable anymore and the video you 'recover' is just one of the trailers that are freely available.[[Special:Contributions/203.37.31.200|203.37.31.200]]
:::::Okay, the sections are shuffled to be more logical and in line with other articles. What happened to the plot synopsis? [[User:Pnakotus|Pnakotus]] 00:54, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

== Advice on writing up the weapons.==
I think the game's variety of weapons deserves a write-up, but I'm not sure if I should make individual pages for them or just put them all on one page. Information for the Null Ray, for example, was already sort-of mentioned on the page for the G1 [[Null ray]]. --[[User:RookJones|RookJones]] 00:41, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
:I went ahead and made a page for all of the weapons. Definitely needs pics, though... --[[User:RookJones|RookJones]] 17:01, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::I think they really need to have individual pages - the list page doesn't really fit in with how we do things. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:44, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

== Can we lock these WFC articles down? ==

Or else I'm going to be spending the rest of my time on the wiki attempting to write WFC articles only to have to clean up after anon users (and relatively new members who don't know how to write in our style). Then I will give up because the articles are now too much work to get up to standards, video gamers who edited these articles have amazingly short attention spans and have left, and I'm the only one left who edits these things, as seen here last year: [[Revenge of the Fallen (video games)]] *cries* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:29, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Which ones? just the main game articles? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:19, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Probably for the best. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:01, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
Hey, I can still edit these things too! I need to...uh...actually finish the game first, though. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 04:38, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== G1? ==

This game SHOULD NOT be connected to the prime series.WHICH IS WHY HASBRO PUT THIS AS CANNON TO THE G1 series.you can not tell me that the storline for the game is the same as the exodus comic book.-- [[user:Primetime]] july 6,2010 (EDT)
:We might take you more seriously if you're not screaming at us and misspelling "canon". Just a suggestion. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:39, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::Also, Exodus isn't a comic book, and it's marketed as a tie-in novel to the game. So for all intents and purposes it is the novelization of the game, even if it's not exactly the same.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:47, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:They did? When? Where? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:49, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
1:I'm not yelling,I just typed it that way.2:It's a tie-in comic?3:This wiki hardly listens to other users to the point where i should be yelling.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 12:57,7 July 2010 (EDT)
:Exodus mentions the video game in its trade dress in several places. Also, as I said, it's not even a comic.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:16, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
hmmmmm, so which one is the g1 prequel because high moon sayed their storyline was a g1 prequel(read interviews).And they came out first and hasbro is just trying to jazz things up with things like Exodus and the prime cartoon(which is sayed to be a movie prequel but I don't know).--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 01:36,7 July 2010 (EDT)
:Exodus was released on the same day as War for Cybertron. Because, again, it's a marketing tie-in.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:40, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
Thats great! now like I sayed before is it G1 liked the interviews sayed or not like some of you keep saying(I mean the game).--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 2:26 7, July 2010 (EDT)
:It's the backstory for the new continuity that the Prime cartoon on the Hub will share. This was confirmed at BotCon. The new continuity borrows elements from several past ones, including a movie-style AllSpark, a series of space bridges leading to Cybertronian colonies a la Galaxy Force/Cybertron, the Elite Guard from Animated, the Wreckers, and a great many other nods to previous work. It is not exclusively G1 that is referenced.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:37, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::NO IT IS NOT G1. STOP INTERPRETING STUFF HIGH MOON STUDIOS SAID SO THE GAME WOULD SELL BETTER AS WORD OF GOD.
::I had to get that out of my system. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:47, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:If it's G1, why is there an AllSpark cube? Why is Bumblebee mute? And what's Gigantion doing there? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:46, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, Thy, that's all stuff from the Exodus novel, not WFC proper. They're tied together, but the original poster was only speaking about the game. (Annoyingly enough, Bumblebee loses his voice in the novel before the events of the game (loosely) take place, making Bumblebee's talking kind of, you know, another fun discrepancy.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:48, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
SOOO doesn't that mean the Exodus Novel and the game are not related due to the MAJOR differences in the storyline(because honestly the game seems REALLY like its a G1 prequel).And if you disagree explain why bumblebee can suddenly talk again and he is just meeting optimus and ratchet.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 12:00,7 July 2010 (EDT)
: If it fits with G1 how come the designs are different, Dinobots, Combaticons and Aerialbots are present, the origin of Optimus is different, the origin of the Matrix is different, the way they leave the planet is different etc. etc. etc. etc.? {{unsigned|201.88.66.127|12:16, 7 July 2010}}
::That's been done all the time. The cartoon characters had different Cybertronian forms than the Dreamwave characters, but they're both G1. Plus, the Dinobots, Stunticons et al were in the War Within. Still, this game isn't G1. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:27, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Those wouldn't keep it out of G1, but DO prevent it from being the backstory to the G1 toon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:36, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
: Inconsistencies in story do not magically make Exodus anything other than a marketing tie-in to the game. They are intended to go together. If you likewise choose to ignore the fact that Hasbro have said that this will continue on into Prime and beyond, I don't know what more we can get out of this discussion.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:26, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
Okay High moon is STILL saying their game is a prequel to G1 even after they released the game.We SHOULD make new WFC pages,or link them back to G1.Forget hasbro right now I'm talking about High moon and their intentions for their game.No prime or Exodus.---[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 1:14, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:WFC is part of the backstory for TF:Prime. It seems like it can apply to G1 too because TF:Prime is deliberately mirroring a lot of G1, especially in past setup. But they're not the same and we will not treat them the same. Unless High Moon is also writing the next cartoon, that's that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:25, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::"Forget Hasbro"? You do realize that Hasbro has the final say on things, not High Moon. High Moon's statements are simply marketing, not fiction. Of course, why we are bothering to try to explain this to someone whose grasp of English does not include the simple word "said" is beyond me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:36, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::This is either a troll or someone who does not understand English. (Who, BTW, happens to share his username with a notorious Wikipedia troll/vandal) Either way this is getting ridiculous. High Moon DOES NOT have the final say on this stuff, their statement about WFC being G1 WAS intended to get more people to buy the game, YOU ARE AN ANNOYING LITTLE MAN, Primetime. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:54, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
(sighs)Okay look,lets drop this WHOLE topic.I might have misspelled on ACCIDENT and generally I was asking a question that you guys kept dodging.I'm not a troll(never heard of the ''notorious troll on wikia before that you're talking about'')so lets leave it alone and keep igonoring my question and go on with our lives.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 2:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:We've answered your question. Repeatedly. This IS NOT a prequel to the G1 toon, because Hasbro says it isn't. The hyperbole and metaphor used by High Moon as marketing strategy does not enter into things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:24, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
OOOKKKKAAAYYY I understand, now stop Talking about it.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 14:35, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

== pages ==

When are we going to create more character pages(e.g.Jetfire,Air Raid)?Just wondering because for some reason instead of a page for Ironhide we have a page for scattershot who isn't released yet.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 14:48,7 July 2010 (EDT)
:We just got an avalanche of materials to work through - AllSpark Almanac 2, Exodus, BotCon coverage - so it's going to take time to create other character pages when we get to it. "Your patience will be rewarded." --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:55, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

== DLC ==
Shouldn't we put more info about the upcoming dlc somewhere on this page because the ''extra info'' I'm talking about has already been confirmed(e.g.maps,characters).Right now the only info is the characters.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 3:41,8 July 2010 (EDT)
:Dude, please. It's perfectly fine to ask for an article to be brought up to date, but it's pointless to tell anyone "shouldn't we complete this article". There's tons of articles to complete and whoever's on it is on it. If no one's on it yet, someone will be on it later. If you feel there's information missing, information you have access to, you can always try add it yourself. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:12, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

== hmmmm? ==
Question!Question!so ummmm...would WFC really go on the same page as the prime series due to the differences in storyline because it seems like it they would have different pages.Can someone please explain why because its kinda confusing.--[[User:Saberblade|Saberblade]] 16:04,July 8 2010 (EDT)
:No. WFC is a version of Prime, so it goes on the Prime pages under its own section. The same way the cartoon, Marvel, Dreamwave, Devil's Due, IDW are all versions of G1 and so go on the G1 pages. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:15, 8 July 2010 (EDT)
ohhhh,okay thank you.-- [[User:Saberblade|Saberblade]] 16:15, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

== Title ==

Given the way things are generally named on this wiki, shouldn't this article just be titled 'War for Cybertron' rather than 'Transformers: War for Cybertron'? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 07:17, 13 July 2010 (EDT)

The title of the game is ''Transformers:War for Cybertron'' right?So we should go by the title of the game. [[User:Saberblade|Saberblade]] 12:25, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
:Did a quick check of a few things.... Franchises tend to have the "Transformers" removed from the title (except Animated, mainly because it would just look funny), as do comic books (see [[Infiltration]] etc.). Video games tend to keep the "Transformers" prefix (except for ROTF, where most of the games drop it). It seems that policy is somewhat vague. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 00:53, 18 July 2010 (EDT)

== Links in Transformers references ==

Why is it that for things like "Brute-a-kiss" and "Devastator!" we link to the original (mostly G1) versions and not the disambiguation pages? For "Motormaster!", I can understand since until the game, there was only one Motormaster, but "Blast-a-rachnia" could easily be a reference to the Animated character and not just the BW one. Would it make more sense to link to the disambiguation pages for some of them, or am I alone? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 10:05, 25 July 2010 (EDT)
:That may simply be a remnant of when we thought that this game (and the Prime franchise) were part of the G1 continuity families. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:43, 25 July 2010 (EDT)
::That's what I was thinking. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:18, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

== Comics ==

Well I see the point about the game not being a prequel to the G1 cartoon.So how about the dreamwave comics or something?Hasbro doesn't seem to ever care about storylines making sense; so why should we consider them tie-ins because they want to sell toys?Shouldn't we look into other universes other than the cartoon.The Marvel Comics continuity for instance. --[[User:saberblade]] 10:52, 25 July 2010 (EDT)
:Various details (particularly having to do with Jetfire, the Dinobots, and the combiner teams) prevent it from being the backstory to any major (and most minor) G1 universe. This game is part of Hasbro's new Prime franchise (which is heavily G1 influenced but with many characters and concepts from later franchises added in), no matter what the video game company says as promotion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:47, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nav Box ==

Not saying it's totally a bad idea, but I wonder if a TF: Prime continuity nav box might be more useful here than just of WFC solo box? Since WfC is just one facet of Prime? I can see arguments either way but thought I'd bring it up. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:58, 26 July 2010 (EDT)
:I agree. In fact I had asked a similar question at [[Template_talk:Nav-wfc-game]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:06, 26 July 2010 (EDT)

== In the interests of these WFC articles being accurate... ==

Do all the generic enemies you face, weapons, locations ect in the 360/PS3/PC version of the game also appear in the Wii and DS versions? Because there's minor articles being written and linking back to this general War for Cybertron article, though it's obviously written with the 360/PS3/PC version in mind. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:54, 1 August 2010 (EDT)
:I can't speak for the Wii version, but the DS version has a different set of generic enemies and there aren't any weapon pickups. Those articles should be linking to the 360/PS3/PC article. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:13, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

== G1 ==

If it's not G1, I want anyone to explain these ''simple'' questions: Why does almost every character have G1 colors, Why do they have G1 style faces, Why do the characters look nothing like PRIME. Why would Hasbro make a game just to support a SHORT FIVE PART MINI SERIES, Why would Hasbro NOT support their most popular Transformer line, Why does most the characters have G1 Looks, Why does the Matrix look like the G1 Matrix, while Prime's looks like ROTF's Matrix. If Anybody could answer these questions, I will believe this is for Prime and not G1. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 05:28, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:1, 2 and 6. It's called an [[homage]]. 3. You do not need to look like something to be that something. 4. Because it's not a short five-part miniseries? 5. G1 is the most popular TF line? No, I think not. 7. See 3.
:You're from TFW2005, aren't you? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:31, 13 November 2010 (EST)

:It doesn't matter what you believe. And, uh, TFPrime is supposed to last for about four years, not five episodes. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 08:22, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:I've re-written the opening of the article a little to hopefully explain this a bit better. Not that this particular gentleman will believe it, I imagine. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:31, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:Just to thoroughly annihilate this guy's position: Scattershot isn't in G1 colors (he's in Cybertron colors) and Demolishor and Slipstream don't even have G1 versions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:38, 13 November 2010 (EST)

:Have you guys even seen the PRIME trailer on the website. It said " The FIVE part miniseries begins November 29" I don't know where you got the about four year thing from. No, I'm not from TFW2005. Well if G1, the longest running line, isn't the most popular then what is. I know it's not the movie series because I have seen a lot of complaints about it, along with controversy. So, no, the Movie/ROTF line isn't the most popular. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 14:34, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::The website is only speaking of the pilot episodes. After them, the rest will air or be produced. Hasbro has made pretty clear on multiple occassions that they want to make this new continuity a big one. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:38, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::And nobody in the history of ever has complained about G1. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. "G1" didn't make the movie make eighty bajillion dollars. That was kids who weren't alive for G1, and largely not even alive for Beast Wars. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:03, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:It isn't a completely ridiculous idea. If the creators were creating a G1 story (as far as they knew), that should count for quite a bit. The story was created as G1. Hasbro can try to retcon that, but unless it is retconned in an actual story, I don't know how convincing the retcon would be, given how it doesn't really match the known modern continuity. Also, the citations given for WfC actually being in the modern continuity are not as strong as they could be.
::"If and when possible, Hasbro will try to 'stick' to one ongoing cannon, and this [War for Cybertron] could be used as a foundation for it."
::"...it looks like this [War for Cybertron] could be the start of the latest, and possibly last, Generation."
::"Continuity is non commital to one previous generation, but there is a bible at the offices that is 350 pages containing transformers lore they reference."
:"Could be...", "it looks like...", "non commital". Sounds kind of non committal to me. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:55, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::Hasbro outranks some sub-contracted video game studio. The game isn't in G1 and that's that. There was no AllSpark in G1, for very starters. They seem similar on purpose--"Exodus" is similar to everything. And that idea that "this could be the LAST continuity" is one of the most retarded mistakes I've ever seen any fan site have the balls to report. That shouldn't have even needed an editor--the guy writing it down should have known it couldn't possibly be true. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:45, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:::Of course it can be true! The world ends in 2012, after all. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:00, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::Starfield, just read our [[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010: Answers|own damn Q&A answers]]: "The official story of the original 13 and specifically Alpha Trion has not been explored fully in the''' modern continuity that Transformers War for Cybertron, Exodus, and Prime are a part of'''." This grouping was spelled out in other site's answers, too. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:59, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:::Thanks. A better citation. Even so, it still isn't a ''completely'' ridiculous idea. An argument could be made from the principle of "everything is [[canon]]" that since a licensed company made a G1 story, than that G1 story is canon. Hasbro can't declare something that happened in G1 canon to have not happened in G1 canon. Like declaring Spider-Man never appeared in the Marvel comics continuity. Admittedly this is a weak argument since the [[authorial intent|authors only intended]] the story to be G1 and the story didn't declare itself G1. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:21, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::::Remember the Pat Lee Sideswipe Principle: "Authors Can Be Wrong." --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:28, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::::: What if Prime is in the same story arc as G1? --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 16:48, 14 November 2010 (EST)

Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)

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== Disambig ==

Should this page be disambiguated from the [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:28, 9 December 2009 (EST)
: I think so, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 10 December 2009 (EST)

== Character list ==

Forgive me for being overly cautious, but since it's been stated that Michael Bell has auditioned for the roles of Ratchet and Fowler, can we begin a preliminary character list? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:I'm okay with that as long as we are foolishly optimistic enough to leave Optimus Prime and Megatron OFF the character list until confirmed. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::HAHAHAHAHA!!!!--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:52, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:::EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT WILL BE FOR NAUGHT, THE VERY CONCEPT FILLS MY HEART WITH GLADNESS. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:03, 14 December 2009 (EST)

::::Maybe, for the same reason, the character list should just be "characters" and not presume to put them in "Autobots", "Decepticons", and "Humans". Who knows? There could be Maximals! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:10, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Or Unicron's Heralds, for that matter! --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Malignus, Mutants, Throttlebots, Spacebots, Spacecons... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:26, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Unicron, would I love a set of stories focussing mainly on the Chaos Bringer's faction. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:49, 14 December 2009 (EST)
I'm tempted to say that we shouldn't include Bumblebee on the list just yet because we don't know 100% that the yellow robot on the Hub logo is Bumblebee, but I seriously doubt that anybody would toy around (no pun intended) with the general looks of a popular Transformers character (though that would be an awesome twist). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 15:29, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

==Titling==
Shouldn't it be "Prime (cartoon)", considering our stupid rule of removing "Transformers" from article titles? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:01, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Nope]]!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:04, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::I thought the reason we went with "Transformers Animated" is because there was no colon, and therefore "Animated" wasn't a subtitle? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:08, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::I honestly don't recall there being a colon in just about any TF title. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::::We make exceptions for phrases. This isn't one. I mean, we even had a big ado over moving the ROTF article to be without the "Transformers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:13, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::::"Transformers Animated" is much a exception, so it go with the full name. If the title is "Transformers: Prime" when it start airing, I will vote for the "Prime (cartoon)". --''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]''04:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

== Hub picture ==

Now that we got the logo for 'Transformers: Prime', should we get rid of the Hub logo? I say we do, but I wouldn't object to holding on to it until we get an image solely of Bumblebee. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 07:53, 3 May 2010 (EDT)
:There's room, so we might as well keep it for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

== Can we get this article locked if it hasn't been already? ==

I expect a number of (mostly anonymous) editors may attempt to follow a relatively new TFW2005.com staffer's lead and paste in an unverified, uncited cast list from Wikipedia into this article. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:12, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:I personally disagree with locking this article. The show should be debuting within the next six months or so, therefore I imagine Hasbro will give us some tidbits of information (not to mention actors' websites, like [[Jeffrey Combs]]). However, if this article does get locked until a later date, I won't make a big deal out of it. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:36, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
::It's only blocked against editing by unregistered users. If an unregistered user has a legit piece of info to be added, they can always use the talk page to bring it up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:45, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Or register and then add it directly. (They should still provide citations/links for proof if need be, of course.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:12, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity ==

Might just be me, but shouldn't we place this under "War For Cybertron" continuity or something? Apparantly, it follows the game (or at least the prequel comic, according to the page itself.

-ThiAthEhn
:I'm still not clear on where [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] got that from, since it's uncited. We really need to wait and see before we make a decision. Plus if WFC and Prime are in the same continuity, an argument could be made to place WFC in the Prime continuity rather than the other way around.--[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:14, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Ask Walky. [[Talk:Dion#Dion is Jazz?|He assured me that the link between WfC and ''Prime'' has been confirmed]], but just didn't mention where or when. That's why I added the {{tl|fact}} tag, so that he or someone else could cite it. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 05:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Aha! I see! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

So isn't the "link" with WfC just speculation from someone working at TFWiki? There's no citation, and should not be under "CONFIRMED news." --[[Special:Contributions/75.28.55.135|75.28.55.135]] 21:37, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

:I believe Walky said it came directly from the Hasbro reps at toy fair. If so that's confirmed enough for me. And if it turns out to be wrong... eh, we'll know for sure in two weeks at Botcon anyway. That's soon enough to just wait and deal with it then. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:31, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

== Chartacter list ==

If It's not Bumblebee, who '''''CAN''''' it be?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 11:08, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yellow Cliffjumper, Bumper, Hot Shot, Armada Sparkplug... it's ''likely'' that it's Bumblebee, but there are other people that look like him. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:21, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
::Or a brand new character. I'm very certain that it is Bumblebee, but the producers may blow our minds and say, "Hey, you know your buddy, Bumblebee? Well, he's actually (place bad guy name here) in disguise. Remember Longarm Prime in ''Transformers Animated''? Btw, TOM, to add a comment to a topic, just hit the edit button on top of the page and place your comment below the last comment. You can use colons in front of your statement to space it from the margin. You're learning the ropes and I'm glad you're making an honest effort to benefit this wiki, so don't give up. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:28, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

==New continuity family!==
Hey, remember when I said WFC/Prime is probably Primax? Well, I lied! After BotCon's flurry of information I think it's going to have to be its own thing. Not only because, well, it deserves to be, but because it will make our lives a lot easier and our pages a lot clearer. Back when the movie came out, we also considered making THAT G1, but declined when we realized the sheer amount of material and focus would make it impractical. The same here. Also, comments from Aaron Archer put the new continuity in perspective.

He ALSO doesn't like calling it "Prime," since that's not what he wants to call it, but it's all we got at the moment. He doesn't have a name for this new continuity (family), but is trying to think of one eventually. So, uh, in the meantime, I think we're stuck with calling it "Prime." Dem's the breaks until we get a time machine and can ask 2012 Aaron Archer or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, EVERYTHING was already pointing in the way of a new continuity family, so I'm glad the wiki now has the green light to separate this stuff. Not that that will spare me from redoing certain location articles, but it's at least a lot easier. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:58, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:P.S., do Demolishor (WFC) and Slipstream (WFC) have to be moved now? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:59, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Optimus Prime (Prime)? Reminds me of [[Cyclonus (Armada)]]. Anyway, looks like we're going to have to fix a lot of links and move a fair bit of information related to the War for Cybertron pages. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I concur completely. This seems very much like a new continuity, albeit with very strong G1 and Movie influences, though the Unicron Trilogy and Animated get some characters and ideas dropped in as well.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::As I said on [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] ":I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

While Archer may not like calling it "Prime," that ''would'' seem to be the parenthetical if we follow the same protocol we did for the Unicron Trilogy. Franchise of origin and all. Alternately, we could tag all of them (WFC) if they first appeared in that game, but that doesn't seem quite right.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Then we'd wind up with another Shattered Glass/Timelines situation where it really made no sense why some were tagged one way and some another (at least not to the more casual fan). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:50, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Exodus had the same street-date as WFC, didn't it? I know we're having this discussion simultaneously on Allspark, which... probably isn't a good idea.... but I suggested "EWP" as a suffix until something better comes along. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:02, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I would suggest using either "Prime", "WFC" or "Exodus" (only one of them though!) until something clearer comes along. "EWP" just seems needlessly confusing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::I tend to think (Prime) is the best suffix we'll get, since we normally use franchise and Prime seems like the most likely candidate to be the franchise name. Exodus and WFC are definitely not franchises, but Prime might be. Of course, one wonders what will happen if Hasbro decides to completely move away from the concept of franchises... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:14, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::According to the TFormers.com BotCon report, Aaron Archer said Hasbro wasn't planning on doing TF:Prime toys. And, for that matter, we know there ''are'' WFC toys, so at the moment WFC actually looks more franchisey. But that having been said, I still vote for "(Prime)" across the board because that's almost guaranteed to be the most prominent, central, and dominant element of this continuity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:43, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::Aaron Archer said he "wasn't there to talk about toys," but the fiction/show/cartoon. I think this statement was being misconstrued. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Ah, thanks for clarifying. That did seem like an odd decision on Hasbro's part. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:48, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Aaron's wording was poorly-chosen. He really did say something like "right now there isn't a toyline," and of course he could only have meant it as a figure of speech to cover what he was willing to talk about during that 20 minutes and not that there actually isn't a toyline. It's impossible that there wouldn't be a toyline. You don't make a CGI toy commercial without them. --Thy, not logged in.
:::::::::Or it could have meant that the details weren't ready for a public reveal or that the figures would simply be released as part of the unsubtitled "Transformers" line. Lots of ambiguity. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the toys just ended up in the general ''Transformers'' line, which would make TF:Prime about exactly as franchisey as WFC. Still, like I said above, even if there WEREN'T any toys I would still lean towards "(Prime)" for its likely real-world dominance. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:33, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

:::"Prime" will be good. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:54, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

::Has anybody tried to mock up a Prime (franchise) page that could explain how the Prime TV show, WFC videogame and Exodus novel are related and give a comparison/contrast to other franchises? I think I've got an idea what's going on, but I'd like to see a coherent write up from someone who has seen the actual materials. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:01, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know if the "Prime (franchise)" page would be the best place for that. That would be for the cartoon stuff and related toyline. But we need a continuity page, like [[Movie continuity]]. Based on the [[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010|September Q&A]] we could call it the "modern continuity". That's what Hasbro called it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:19, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::Because it's "modern" as in HAPPENING NOW, not as if it was a proper noun! Calling it "Modern" would be astoundingly dumb. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:21, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::Are you calling Hasbro dumb? That's what they called it. For better or worse "modern" is sometimes used like that. "Modern architecture" doesn't mean the style of architecture right now. I have a "modern continuity" page ready. I almost pressed "save page" but I checked the recent changes and found this. We need a continuity page anyway. I think I will hit save before I go to bed. It can be moved. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Do you understand the difference between lower and upper case letters? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:54, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Tell you what, we'll resume this conversation when you learn what "context" means. And your "Modern (franchise)" page will be deleted. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:56, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Not "modern (franchise)". "Modern continuity", as in [[:Category:Continuities]]. I din't think it was a proper noun anymore than [[movie continuity]] is. You can delete it, I suppose. Or, if it is a good page, you could rename it whatever you want. Like "War for Cybertron/Exodus/Prime continuity". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:07, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I thought it was a good page. Probably did need to be moved to a better name. But then it was deleted. Um, oh well? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:58, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I saved it as a text file. I could reload it under a different name if anyone wants. Just let me know what name. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:14, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

==Timeline==
Transformers.com timeline: [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=841a4def-19b9-f369-104f-c8d8dec0c2ce]
It's basically the story from ''Exodus'' with Sentinel Prime exchanged for Zeta Prime, with screenshots from the game. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:10, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sue Blu gone? ==

I saw news notes from Comicon saying something about Susan Blu no longer working on the show. Does anyone know if she's gone completely or just stopped working one one part of the show. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah I updated that awhile ago, forgot to mention it here. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:35, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

== David Hartman as both the supervising director and art director ==

taken from his DAblog: http://sideshowmonkey.deviantart.com/journal/33585161 not sure if it's "news," but it is more confirmed staff. - {{unsigned|128.208.61.72}} 01:56, 2 August 2010

== Move? ==

The Hub's press release render the title without a colon [http://hubworld.com/press-100806-talent.htm][http://hubworld.com/shows-detail.htm#panel-8], should we move all Prime-related articles or are we happy just writing it our way? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:01, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

== Air date ==
Isn't a bit premature to announce that it'll air on this year's Black Friday? I mean, true, the TV listing there says so, but they are subject to change. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:35, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not to fear. I changed it from "will air" to "is scheduled to air". - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Wrong! ==

This page has incorrect information!! This takes place in the movie universe for 1. 2, It only has five episodes for the whole series as it is a MINI series. It has nothing even close to related to the War for Cybertron game. Sadly, I can't fix this because the page is LOCKED. :( [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 05:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:No, ''you're'' the one who is incorrect. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:17, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::Jman, atleast wait until you see the show first before making these presumptions. While you wait, read the 'Exodus' book. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:55, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: You are exactly the reason this page is locked. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: Don't believe, go to this link ---> [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/videos/sneak-peek] --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 14:44, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:: Yeah, we've been. Try again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::: Okay, I just read the Exodus book, sorry for causing trouble. Now I know that WFC and PRIME are linked. --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 12:09, 14 November 2010 (EST)

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== G1 Characters ==

Why are we linking to the G1 characters? I thought this was supposed to be something new. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:10, 11 December 2009 (EST)

:There's really no way of knowing for sure until we have more information about the storyline and characters. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:20, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::I really, really doubt they won't be Primax characters, new continuity or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::Agree that's that most likely the case. But I do sort of wonder if maybe this game is going to end up being some sort of prequel-y tie-in to the new cartoon/franchise that's coming. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:15, 11 December 2009 (EST)

== It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I mean, seriously different. Should we ask Hasbro?
:Well, not sure about asking Hasbro, we'll know soon enough one way or the other. But IMO, bad information is worse than no information. Assuming that these guys are G1 is just that - an assumption. We should tread lightly. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:29, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::They use the G1 logo, Cybertron's from [[Alpha Centauri]], and the roster includes only G1 dudes. I'd say "assumption" isn't really strong enough of a word. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::I think we should wait for a confirmation that it's a G1 universe before making assumptions. The roster so far only includes G1 dudes. If we made that assumption, the movieverse would be part of G1 (early on only G1 based characters were announced. It could simply be like animated and it references things heavily. [[User:Eire]] 16.03 Dec 15 09 (OUTC)
:::The TFW2005 interview states it's "not connected to any particular generation" and that this will be the foundation for newer sub-franchises. That does indicate this isn't G1 but yet another continuity. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 16:31, 23 December 2009 (GMT)
::::It would certainly seem to. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Alrighty. Hopefully at some point we'll have a good parenthetical for this new continuity ... family. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:46, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::::::How about "WFC"? [[User:ThiAthEhn]]
:::::::I agree. It has been stated in interviews that this is a new continuity and the character designs seem to be taking influence from a number of previous incarnations; mostly War Within, Transformers Animated and the live-action movies. It would be difficult to make the case that these are meant to be direct variations on the G1 characters. I second the idea of using "WFC" to classify them. [[User: Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 10:17, 19 January 2010 (GMT)
:::::: This IS a diffrent continuity- IGN Preview "Freed from the constraints of a movie license, the new Transformers game lives within its own universe." The TWF2005 preview and interview, multiple times in Game Informer's articles and alot in the Podcast on the same site. It's just heavily inspired by G1. I didn't want to change anything because I don't want to start an edit war over this. [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 17:23, 16 January 2010 (EST)
::::::: Something can still be a new universe while being part of an existing [[continuity family]]. [[Henkei! Henkei!]] was a new universe that was still G1, as was [[Classics (2006)|Classics]] and the IDW stuff. What's important to the wiki is whether this will be a new continuity family, not just strictly a new universe. New universes happen all the time. New continuity families are much more rare. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:37, 19 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::: The thing is, it is (and always has been) a bit of a subjective value judgement alot of the time. How much similarity to G1 do we need to make something definately G1? Or does it work the other way? How big a New Element (minicons, cyberkeys,) do we need to make it difinitively it's own ConFam? Authorial intent definately has to be part of it too. Anything that specifically calls itself G1 is obvious, and anything that seems to be trying to pick up the original G1 characters/situations themselves even if it's in new forms or directions, alla IDW (although even that can be tricky to judge, agaiin HOW MUCH change makes a break?)... When we have as little info as we do right now on WfC it's almost impossible to judge what it will become. Do we have an editorial policy (and if not should we?) saying "Something new that seems G1-ish IS, until we see differences enough to prove it's not," or vice-versa "anything new is to be considered it's own continuity until we've seen enough to feel if it's G1-continuity family?" A set plan either way might make these situations a bit less random in the future. Maybe?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:48, 19 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::lostcount: I would be ''highly'' surprised if WFC turns out to represent a whole new continuity family. We've already accepted too many retellings and revisions of G1 as being part of G1 for this one to fairly be split out, unless it has something that is an inescapable telltale mark of a separate confam, i.e. they're fighting for the Movie Allspark. "Its prehistory is very slightly different" will not be good enough, as is shown by the comfortable confam coexistence of FFOD, War Within, and Stormbringer. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:01, 21 January 2010 (EST)
:[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66275 And the Club Magazine's leading questions] imply that this is indeed G1. Maybe even a previous G1. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:04, 25 January 2010 (EST)
By what you just showed, it'll be a part of the G1 Continuity family (I still question that its anything more than "influenced by it" I mean what constitutes a G1 Confam..yes IDW and Dreamwave are under it, but is the same true for an animated series? I mean honestly, If that were true, then Transformers Animated would be a part of the G1 Confam, and its not.) but shouldn't it have its own section near the bottom at some point, (for game, toys, series, etc.) sense apparently (and this is news to me) your link seems to state its based on its own upcoming series.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
EDIT: Sorry to be posting an additional edit: but I have a distinct feeling, and am going to risk being wrong to call it now: An upcoming comic-tie in to it that basically further stretches whether it should be its own Confam or not.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

To me, this seems every bit as G1 as War Within - Yeah it branches out into it's own story but it's hard to deny that this isn't just as G1 as DW or IDW comics given the use of characters and story telling style. {{unsigned|220.233.21.27}} 08:55, 28 June 2010

I just played through the whole game - This game could not be any more G1 even if it tried harder. I don't see how this can be in the same continuity as TF:Prime when it's so undeniably G1. It belongs as part of the G1 continuity family not TF:Prime which appears to be it's own movie inspired continuity. The game is not like Animated in which it 'borrows and adapts' elements from G1, this game actually is G1 down to how characters are portrayed and roles they are assigned as well as the story telling structure. {{unsigned|220.233.21.27|04:40, 11 July 2010 (EDT)}}
:How do you know it's not like Prime? Character designs? Pah. I could use that strawman to declare the Don Figueroa era of the Ongoing an AU too, you know, or TF: Bumblebee being non-canon with said Ongoing. We know next to nothing about TF: Prime, you have no basis whatsoever to say it can't be just as heavily G1-inspired as WFC is. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:57, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

How can you tell that it is? We had two conflicting official sources one saying that it is and one saying that it isn't. I rather go by what the game developers say than what Hasbro marketing says thank you very much. {{unsigned|220.233.21.27}}
:The game developers are saying that it's G1 so it sells better. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:25, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:Well, that's your prerogative, but I'd think as Hasbro, the guys who license Transformers out to places like Atari and Activision and IDW, would know more about what fits where than Activision/High Moon Studios would. Perhaps the developpers initially wanted to go the "Generation 1" route, but then Hasbro saw the storyline and thought it fit just as well in "Prime" and decided to announce it as such to help promote the new show. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:26, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

I have a feeling that when TF:Prime finally arrives it will make absolutely no reference whatsoever to WFC and at the end of the day it was just marketing guys talking. I played the game, the game is clearly designed to be G1 despite what Hasbro may blab on about. {{unsigned|Same dude who can't sign his posts}}
:Please. At this point G1 had so many alternate interpretations it's impossible for anything to be qualified as "clearly G1". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:46, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

But all the interpretations are regarded as G1. Animated isn't G1, Unicron Trilogy isn't G1 and so on. It is very clear what is G1 and what isn't. {{unsigned|220.233.21.27}}

Sign your posts! And look, right now, Hasbro is the authority on Transformers. Right now, Hasbro declares WFC part of Prime. Right now, Prime is not G1. So right now, we have WFC separate from G1. If ever the line is blurred or those statements clearly contradicted, we'll give you a call and change it. Until then, this is the safest and easiest way for us to document the new stuff and it's not going to get changed because one anon doesn't agree. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 08:31, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

Just voicing my views not requesting change. No need to be so defensive and I am yet to see anything solid from Hasbro saying that this is part of TF: Prime and something tells me that we won't. Personally I believe that calling WFC as part of TF:Prime is premature.

== The New trailer ==

should we make a summary of the trailer?--[[User:Defect|Defect]] 14:25, 12 January 2010 (EST)
: The link to the trailer is probably enough. A play-by-play would be a bit excessive. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:27, 12 January 2010 (EST)
:: Isn't the point of our wiki to be excessive? --[[User:ThiAthEhn]]
preety much.

== Logos ==

I'm guessing the answer is no, but have the developers released any images of the characters on a white background that we can use to make some logos for the Main Page? I know we're not sure who the characters ''are'' yet, but we can link them to the WFC page for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:34, 13 January 2010 (EST)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:13, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::Of course, the current logo doesn't look too bad on the main page.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:14, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::I think he means the center TFwiki one with the rotating characters. If we want to cut people out of screencaps with photoshop, we could probably add some WfC ones to the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:21, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::I cropped a WfC out of his concept art and inserted him into the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:59, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::::Awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:08, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::::And a Megatron. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:10, 13 January 2010 (EST)

== Starscream? ==

Who says that '''black and grey''' seeker in the "Megatron and Starscream prepare for the ground assault" picture is Starscream? It's much more likely it's Skywarp.-[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 01:00, 26 January 2010 (EST)
: He has blue and red, though. It's just overwhelmed by the lighting. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:30, 24 January 2010 (EST)
::Plus, aside from the obvious color shadings (if you look), who are usually considered the three most popular Decepticons? Megatron, Soundwave and Starscream. It doesn't really make much sense for Skywarp to be along the line-up in Starscream's place. There IS another jet flying around the battle however. - [[User:Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 14:38, 10 February 2010
Alright, my bad :( --[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 18:54, 10 February 2010 (EST)

== Toys Confirmed, mention here? ==

So we've had the existance of WfC toys confirmed by non-leeky sources (Game Informer, Fun pub) now my question is do they rate a mention here on this page. Generally they'd ust be mentioned on the character pages but this is pretty much the first time ever a TF Video game has gotten its own toys. Worth a Trivia entry? Or it's own sub-section? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 11:52, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:We do need to start mentioning it as news becomes official, but it's not true that this is the only Transformers game that's had its own toys. Several of the designs from the both live-action film games had toys made of them, and a Decepticlone from the Armada video game got made into an Attactix figure. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:: Can we count on you for the photos? --[[User: ThiAthEhn|ThiAthEhn]]
::: What? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:15, 27 January 2010 (EST)

We have official stock photos for two toys now, that aren't from the club. Not sure where we want to put them.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:00, 27 January 2010 (EST)
: It would help if we knew the name of the toyline they were being featured in. For now, put them on this page, I think, just because we're building this article as an attraction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:03, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::Done. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:08, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::Is it just me or do those look like movie-ized versions of the Animated designs? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:39, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::: I'd say more "Classics-ized" versions of the Animated designs myself. Regardless yes it's pretty clear that the Animated, Movie, and Classics aesthetics all influenced their development, which makes sense, those being the last three main TF lines.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)

Ultra Magnus gets also his own toy.--[[Special:Contributions/CAJH|CAJH]] 17:35, 10 August 2010 (EST)

:Forget my previous message. The toy is not similar than version of Ultra Magnus in WFC. This is the link to the image: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_G96gxvrHqrE/TGHuk6mTUkI/AAAAAAAAJG4/6TJL3upLNf4/s1600/TFFanUltraMagnus1.jpg--[[Special:Contributions/CAJH|CAJH]] 09:02, 12 August 2010 (EST)
::That's a custom. It's a repainted Prime with Energon Barricade's head. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:18, 12 August 2010 (EDT)

== Fresh trailer guys ==

http://kotaku.com/5480780/first-look-at-transformers-war-for-cybertron-gameplay-footage

Nothing spectacularly surprising, but looks quite awesome.

ThiAthEhn
: Yeah, uh, that's already in the article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:46, 26 February 2010 (EST)

Seriously? This one has actual gameplay, something I haven't seen in the other ones...
ThiAthEhn
: Third link in "external links" at the bottom, dude. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:08, 27 February 2010 (EST)

==Character Sources?==
I think it may be wise to put up the sources for each new character, or at least an image of them. Not all of us have the good fortune of reading Kotaku to know Grimlock is actually in the game. Just a suggestion, however. In a few months it won't matter anyway.[[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 20:39, 28 February 2010 (EST)
: For many characters, this isn't possible. For example, we know about the two Aerialbots from Toy Fair 2010, to which we we can't link because recording anything was forbidden. And an image of Grimlock is down in the gallery, so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)

==Release date==
Gamestop seems to think this game is coming out on June 22, not July 22 as this article states. They even guarantee its delivery on that date if you preorder! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:46, 2 March 2010 (EST)
sweetness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

== Motormaster ==

Here is a picture that maybe shows Motormaster in the Nintendo DS Version:
http://cache-10.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_5231_02_0098_20100119-cli1.jpg

Also, on the tfw2005 board it has been statet that motormaster will be in the game.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/293592-war-cybertron-kotaku-articles-ds-version-5.html
: I can take [[Marcelo Matere]]'s word on it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:01, 6 March 2010 (EST)

== Interview and more gameplay and footage ==

http://kotaku.com/5493784/building-the-ultimate-transformers-origin-story

Always possible that you've already seen it, but here it is, feel free to add.

-Aaron Archer

-It apparantly IS G1, not seperate.

-Scorponok (?) (!) boss battle?

-And much more...

ThiAthEhn

== No PSP option... ==

Has there been any word, in an interview or announcement, as to why no PSP version of the game has been announced (and may not be, for that matter)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 00:28, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== [edit] It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I think its a "revised"
backstory on g1 before they crashed into Mt. St. Helens 4,000,000 years ago. [[User:LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN|LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN]] 15:55, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== Voice actor thing ==

I find it hard to believe that if a site was playing April Fools on people, they wouldn't own up to the fact to tell people they got sucked in bad. Also, they posted it before April Fools and have subsequently removed all traces of the offending "false" information from the article. Anybody remember the kerfuffle over the 2008 reveal of The Fallen's role in ROTF? Same thing happened - articles swiftly edited to remove information the Bay deemed unfit for publication at the time. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:43, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
:The Activision folks also sent e-mails to Seibertron and TFormers, and Lonegamer says she actually spoke to an Activision rep on the phone on the Allspark's behalf.
:So... if it is a coverup, it's at least one that spreads beyond that one site. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:04, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
::Also, the ROTF 2008 cover up - we documented that information on the wiki for posterity. I take it we're not going to do the same for this event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:08, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
:::That felt like a cover-up. See, that was about denying that a movie called REVENGE OF THE FALLEN was about a character called THE FALLEN. This doesn't feel like a cover-up to me. It feels like some video game site got their information off Wikipedia again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Except that it's a rather large, detailed, substantial article that started with "AusGamers was recently invited out to High Moon Studios in San Diego" and "Some familiar voices were being thrown about the demo [insert voice actor information]". Unless the entire article is based on falsehoods and assumptions, they went up to High Moon Studios. They saw the game in action. They talked to the people who made it. Not "We made this shit up by piecing it together from things we heard online, especially Wikipedia." --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:25, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::The whole article reeked of Did Not Do The Research. Cullen's name was misspelled, they referred to Chris Latta's real name and stage name as separate people... So yeah, I'm going to go with "idiots" over "cover-up". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:26, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
According to IMDB, Soundwave is played by [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0071818/ Jeff Bennet]. Is this legit enough for this wiki? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:22, 3 June 2010 (EDT)
:Nuh-uh. IMDB is like Wiki where any user can edit the content, be it actual or junk. I rather wait till an official announcement from either Activision or High Moon themselves. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:54, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

== New Characters' pages? ==
VM: Would I ask why nearly all characters except Demolishor are linked to their G1 incarnation? Why not make a new one WfC?
: We're not exactly sure how WFC/Prime is going to play out continuity family-wise. Until then, it's safest to link to their G1 versions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:00, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
::VM: I see, but I think personally they should have their own, but its only my opinion :)

VM: I still think new pages are needed, as for example Demolishor got one because he wasnt presented in G1, and it seems WFC isnt fully related to the G1. {{unsigned|89.235.30.9}}

:The main problem with doing that is that we aren't quite sure of their continuity yet, we don't want to make completely new pages and then find out "Oops, they're part of G1" and then have to merge their pages together. It's best just to leave the issue alone until we have more information.--[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 16:29, 9 May 2010 (EDT)

VM: I think that now its closer to a new continuity. Jetfire was during the war a Decepticon, not a Autobot. He joined to the Autobots on the Earth, while here he joined, or always was, on Autobot's side. I am not suggesting it to make these pages now, just there is a small piece of info which is for a new continuity.{{unsigned|89.235.30.9}}
:I'm pretty sure Jetfire was an Autobot in the War Within series. Really, WFC is drawing inspiration from all parts of G1. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:31, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, details like that don't mean splitting the articles. Jetfire's origins differ even more wildly than that between the G1 cartoon (lost before the war, defrosted, defected), Marvel comics (Created on Earth by the Creation Matrix) and Dreamwave (An Autobot on Cybertron during the war). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
Most of them are clearly G1 characters so WfC info should go on their (G1) pages. Demolishor is clearly his UT character so his WfC info should go on his (Armada) page. No problem. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:13, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure Demolishor is just an homage and not the same character as the guy from Armada (unless dimension-hopping was involved). That's a bit like saying that Robots in Disguise and G1 Optimus Prime are the same. Robots in Disguise Prime evokes the original, but they're different people. Still, we'll just have to wait and see. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Not the cartoon continuity Demolishor or the Armada comic continuity Demolishor. Just the character Demolishor in the WfC continuity. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:39, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::'''That Is Not How The Wiki Works.''' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:57, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Well sure, but Hasbro doesn't seem to be playing by the rules lately. It was just a suggestion. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:12, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Just because Hasbro's not playing by the rules doesn't mean we have to follow suit. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
Can we please just drop the issue for now like I suggested?--[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 00:55, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== Jazz? ==

The scout in the multiplayer traier looks alot like Jazz and when you hover over the pre-order button on thier website I am pretty sure its Jazz next to Shockwave

== Image Captions/Quotes ==

So for the 1986 Transformer movie, there were a bunch of quotes from Star Wars: A New Hope. Then for the 2007 movie, there were quotes from the 1986 movie. And for RotF, we did quotes from The Empire Strikes Back. I'm wondering if we should do quotes from the Halo series for the image captions for War for Cybertron. What do you think?

And in a somewhat related manner, I might have found what could possibly be the [http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp251/Darth_Shadow_91/warforcybertroncoverart.jpg boxart] for WfC. If we use it, I have a proposed quote.

''Men, keep your eyes downrange, fingers on the trigger, and we all come home in one piece. Am I right, Marines?''

Sgt. Avery Johnson, Halo: Combat Evolved

[[User:Darth Shadow 91|Darth Shadow 91]] 23:45, 29 April 2010 (EST)
:By that logic we could use Zelda or Mario quotes. Anyways, as always, unless there's some definite theme in the captions (Like Animated Wreck-Gar's page), no caption, or the caption is just a ''really'' bad joke, the captions are up to whoever adds the image.[[User:Monty Prime|Monty Prime]] 01:18, 30 April 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, couldn't we use Gears of War quotes? The two games run on extremley similar engines, have the same "gritty dark" feel, same gameplay mechanics, and I think a few Gears quotes could work well. Hate to kick a dead-ish topic, just an idea. [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 20:59, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
::I like the Halo quote idea! Ironhide's picture: "Figured I'd shoot my way out, mix things up a little." Omega Supreme's picture: "Relax, I'd rather not piss this thing off." Megatron: "I wondered who the Autobots would send to silence me. A Prime? I'm flattered." Bumblebee: "Little people first!"
::For Starscream joining the Decepticons, "What would you have your Arbiter do?" [[User:Darth Shadow 91|Darth Shadow 91]] 00:36, 06 June 2010 (EST)

== New characters ==

Over [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/war-for-cybertron---tfw2005-visits-high-moon-studios--gameplay-impressions-169615/ here], it looks like Arcee, Slipstream, and some others are in the mix. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 12:54, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Those were supposed to be still under ''embargo''... -_-; --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:10, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:: Yeah, TFW doesn't really ''give a shit'' about your stupid informational release dates. They're too busy being BEST AND FIRST. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:28, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::: There's definitely an Arcee-mould character in the new Multiplayer trailer along with characters sharing moulds with Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave, so we can probably confirm that one. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:44, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Where the hell are people getting Rumble and Frenzy from? Also, since Slipstream only shows up in the "embargo" pics, should we even mention her at all, let alone give her an article? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:51, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Embargo's been lifted (I think). As for Frenzy and Rumble, one of the concept art shows two that resemble the Casseticons, especially the blue with pile drivers. --[[User:Lonegamer78|lonegamer78]] 17:03, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

::::::If it helps, the trailer is also [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aAxxAJOMt8 here] - and as noted in the [[Talk:Slipstream (Prime)|talk page]] for the new Slipstream, you can see what looks to be her running towards the camera at about 1:20-1:21 (just before it switches to Arcee). --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 19:25, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
but aren't they just multiplayer character models/pre-order only? --[[Special:Contributions/98.204.17.1|98.204.17.1]] 17:45, 26 May 2010 (EDT)
:Short Answer: No. Long Answer: Well, probably not, they're almost crtainly actual characters in the story version of the game from what we've seen, but no one will know 100% for sure until the game is out and we play through and see. But still, likely, no. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:00, 26 May 2010 (EDT)
Actual answer: they are multiplayer chassis / escelation mode characters. However jazz and arcee do make an appearance in a level in the autobot campaign. They're well hidden so I encourage you to find them for yourself. {{unsigned|72.113.21.56|01:32, 9 August 2010 (EDT)}}

== So what do we do now that there is a comic? ==

[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/war-for-cybertron-preorder-bonus-idw-war-for-cybertron-1/18621/ Comic news], do we just put up a Disambig or start a full fledged Franchise treatment? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 16:52, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:I rather wait for further info or when any one of us gets a copy. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:22, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::[http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=167925&postcount=6 more info]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:35, 22 May 2010 (EDT)
:::"Based on selected passages from the novel TRANSFORMERS: EXODUS..." So the comic is tied very closely to the novel. It sounds like they are all the same franchise. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:45, 22 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Picked my copy up and it is rather a bit more close to Exodus from the reviews elsewhere. While I don't have a copy of Exodus on hand yet, the charges against Megatron that includes bombing Six Lasers Over Cybertron and kidnapping Sentinel Prime is mentioned. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 18:20, 24 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Feel free to edit the article I set up at my [[User:Lonegamer78/Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|sandbox]] until we can figure out where to place the comic's article. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:52, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

== For now... ==

...I'm deciding WfC is classified as a Primax-cluster universe. Now that the toys are sort of out, we really need to stick them ''somewhere''. And there's been nothing indicated that its universe isn't terribly G1y. This could change in the future as we come to understand its universe better, but we can move it then. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:56, 2 June 2010 (EDT)
:I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:49, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

== Division by Game? ==

At some point soon are we going to need to give this page a major overhaul? From the sounds of it the Wii and DS versions are going to have signifigant enough character and play differnces that talking about it all as "one single game" would likely become counterproductive. Don't have the time right now to check but isn't that how we've handled multiplatform games in the past? A 360/PS3 section, a Wii section and a DS section? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:15, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
:I know there are two seperate articles for the PS1 and N64 versions of the Beast Wars Transmetal fighting games. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 16:54, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
::The games actually have different names, as well. The Wii version is called Transformers: Cybertron Adventures. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:55, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
:Usually there's seperate pages for different versions of the games, there'll probably be one for this game too. Might be better to wait until they're out though. -- [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 00:25, 11 June 2010 (GMT)

== Matt Tieger Says... ==
I am, right now, listening to a Kotaku podcast where they are interviewing Matt Tieger, and he says War for Cybertron is "like a prequel to G1." http://ca.kotaku.com/5559654/its-a-prime-time-to-talk-transformers
So, is this confirmation of being G1, or do we still wait until the game or official fiction is released? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:01, 9 June 2010 (EDT)
:I think the keywords is that he used "like a" on describing WfC. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:07, 9 June 2010 (EDT)
Another note from the podcast: Matt Tieger says that Corey Burton is NOT the voice of Shockwave, but rather they got a sound-alike. Should this be worth mentioning? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:17, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
:: Matt Tieger has also said that WFC is a direct prequel to the G1 cartoon, which is impossible on several levels given what we know. I think a lot of what he says is to get people to buy the game (SHOCK SHOCK I KNOW) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:19, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

== DS Version ==

Source for all of these "DS-only" guys? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:34, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
: People who've played the game. I myself have seen Kup and Dirge fairly early on in the Toys R Us demo version. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:38, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
:: After going through the game, Kup's actually not playable, never featured beyond his portrait appearing in the tutorial. Hot Rod, on the other hand, is in, though he's named Hot Shot. On the decepticon side, there's also Ramjet, Motormaster and Dragstrip--[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 05:46, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

==Box Art==

I have a picture of the Box Art, should I upload it, and if there's a version already here, shouldn't we use it as the Main Picture? [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 13:28, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

==

== I know some missons! ==

I resantly looked at campaign and misson desighn and it showed the names of some missons lets add that.
:Where did you look at them? Were they officially released by Hasbro/the programming company? If not, then they are not eligible for inclusion on this wiki. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:54, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
yes,
confirmed misson names are
defend iacon,
death of hope,
the final guardian,
fuel of war,
iacon destroyed,
false propaganda,
decagon plaza
these are a few confirmed missons
:Where were they released? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:57, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
Confirmed by high moon.
:Where? When? Source, please? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:59, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
www.transformersgame.com go to media videos then behind the sceans campagn and misson desighn then when hes choosing a level he scrolls throgh these levels.

== Profiles? ==

Should we bother linking to all of the available official website character profiles, or are we just going to remove the existing links once the game comes out? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:07, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
: They count as G1 canon so we should keep them linked to their G1 counterparts.--[[User:Primetime]] 12:06, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
:: That's not what Jeysie is talking about. She's talking about the links to the official WFC website. "official website character profiles." Me, uh, I don't really have an opinion. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:10, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
::: Yeah, Walky got it in one.
::: I guess my confusion was... I wasn't sure if the links were intended as information (in which case, might as well keep 'em), or just as sources for the character being in the game (in which case, once we get an official credits list from the game itself, said sources aren't really needed).
::: Not that I'm fussed either way... I just was itching to be consistent, and wasn't sure if that involved linking or deleting. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:14, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
:::: For me, more info is almost always better. Link!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:23, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

==Name?==

Is there a name for the guy I'm referring to as "Giant Autobot tank thing that you fight before Zeta Prime"? He has lines and stuff, but he didn't really look like anybody I recognized. (I refuse to call him by the name "that guy who kicked my ass about a dozen times until I got lucky.") {{unsigned|Skyshock Thunderblast}} 09:22, 25 June 2010
:I'm pretty sure he's just a generic. You fight a few more during the Decepticon campaign, and some more during the Autobot campaign. I know they call the Decepticon ones "Destroyers," but I'm not sure what the Autobot ones are called. The loading-screen hints refer to them as, simply, Tanks. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:30, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
::I had assumed "Destroyer" was for both Autobots and Decepticons with that body-type. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:06, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I assumed that as well, but I was just going with what I knew for certain. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:27, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
:::: I would SWEAR I heard one of the other Autobots refer to him by name. Well, Matt Tieger from Full Moon is at BC this year. Ask him? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:56, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
::::: Tanks for Autobots, Destroyers for Decepticons, according to the subtitles.
== DS Profile Pictures ==

Any use in screenshots for the characters as they appear in the DS Game? Will also be able to get console versions soon too.
--[[User:Scatterlung|Scatterlung]] 14:22, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

== Who's the blue Autobot Tank? ==
In the concept art (autobot recruits section, i believe) and the credits, there is a blue Autobot tank that clearly is not a blue version of Warpath, and looks like a completely different design. Is this a reference to a real Transformers character? ''(i don't know everything there is to know about transformers, so to those who do, please have mercy...)'' [[Special:Contributions/24.145.176.54|24.145.176.54]] 14:08, 26 June 2010 (EDT)unregistered contributor (has accounts on other wikis, but doesn't work on this one)
:I'd say Twin Twist; while it's obviously not a jumpstarter, he's the closest thing to a blue and white Autobot tank I could find. The real mystery is why the Constructicon truck and this guy aren't in the game, since those faction/classes only have one mesh right now.
::I strongly doubt it's Twin Twist. Can you give us any more details about the character? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 20:59, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I think it's just the model for the generic Autobot tank soldiers you fight in the game. It may not actually be that color of blue (some of the character models aren't the final colors). --[[User:RookJones|RookJones]] 00:28, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::::It certainly isn't, because there aren't any. Is there any real reason it can't be Twin Twist? I can post a pic, but he doesn't look much like anyone in particular (much as the purple/green constructicon doesn't either). Tanks (or heavy enough to be tanks) are rare enough on the Autobot side to narrow it down pretty quickly: the only guys that jump out at me are Twin Twist or animated Sentinel Prime. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/pnakotus/tf/IMG_0550.jpg. [[Special:Contributions/118.208.127.90|118.208.127.90]]
:I have the 360 game the guy is in the credits sinama. I think he may be a sneek peak at ultar magnus for this game but thats just my gess. {{unsigned|74.103.61.137}} 06:12, 28 June 2010
:The PC version, having all the bot names apparent on characters' model files, names him as Scattershot.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:50, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Aha, so I was right. Because his head, colors, and altmode are 100% Cybertron Defense [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:54, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

The blue tank (my opinion) must be Scattorshot because Scattorshot doesn't look like a blue Warpath, he's a dlc character, and he is a soldier (like a Warpath)

== Maybe its time for a cleanup ==

The game is out, the preview stuff is now irrelevant, and solid information regarding plot, characters, continuity etc is available. Devoting 33% of the article to a promotional webgame that hasn't told us anything for six months is ... strange.
:I've worked a bit on the article today. Did a synopsis for the 360 version, but I don't own the Wii or DS ones. Someone else will have to help with those. --[[User:RookJones|RookJones]] 00:27, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::I'd suggest moving the Gallery to the end, using a more TFwiki standard arrangement of images/references/voice actors/etc, removing the useless 'Transmission Recovery' section, and expanding the references section (Primus, conversion cog, etc). [[Special:Contributions/203.37.31.200|203.37.31.200]]
:::Perhaps the 'Transmission Recovery' section could be split into a new article? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:24, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Sure, but the game isn't playable anymore and the video you 'recover' is just one of the trailers that are freely available.[[Special:Contributions/203.37.31.200|203.37.31.200]]
:::::Okay, the sections are shuffled to be more logical and in line with other articles. What happened to the plot synopsis? [[User:Pnakotus|Pnakotus]] 00:54, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

== Advice on writing up the weapons.==
I think the game's variety of weapons deserves a write-up, but I'm not sure if I should make individual pages for them or just put them all on one page. Information for the Null Ray, for example, was already sort-of mentioned on the page for the G1 [[Null ray]]. --[[User:RookJones|RookJones]] 00:41, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
:I went ahead and made a page for all of the weapons. Definitely needs pics, though... --[[User:RookJones|RookJones]] 17:01, 27 June 2010 (EDT)
::I think they really need to have individual pages - the list page doesn't really fit in with how we do things. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:44, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

== Can we lock these WFC articles down? ==

Or else I'm going to be spending the rest of my time on the wiki attempting to write WFC articles only to have to clean up after anon users (and relatively new members who don't know how to write in our style). Then I will give up because the articles are now too much work to get up to standards, video gamers who edited these articles have amazingly short attention spans and have left, and I'm the only one left who edits these things, as seen here last year: [[Revenge of the Fallen (video games)]] *cries* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:29, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Which ones? just the main game articles? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:19, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Probably for the best. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:01, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
Hey, I can still edit these things too! I need to...uh...actually finish the game first, though. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 04:38, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== G1? ==

This game SHOULD NOT be connected to the prime series.WHICH IS WHY HASBRO PUT THIS AS CANNON TO THE G1 series.you can not tell me that the storline for the game is the same as the exodus comic book.-- [[user:Primetime]] july 6,2010 (EDT)
:We might take you more seriously if you're not screaming at us and misspelling "canon". Just a suggestion. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:39, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::Also, Exodus isn't a comic book, and it's marketed as a tie-in novel to the game. So for all intents and purposes it is the novelization of the game, even if it's not exactly the same.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:47, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:They did? When? Where? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:49, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
1:I'm not yelling,I just typed it that way.2:It's a tie-in comic?3:This wiki hardly listens to other users to the point where i should be yelling.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 12:57,7 July 2010 (EDT)
:Exodus mentions the video game in its trade dress in several places. Also, as I said, it's not even a comic.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:16, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
hmmmmm, so which one is the g1 prequel because high moon sayed their storyline was a g1 prequel(read interviews).And they came out first and hasbro is just trying to jazz things up with things like Exodus and the prime cartoon(which is sayed to be a movie prequel but I don't know).--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 01:36,7 July 2010 (EDT)
:Exodus was released on the same day as War for Cybertron. Because, again, it's a marketing tie-in.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:40, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
Thats great! now like I sayed before is it G1 liked the interviews sayed or not like some of you keep saying(I mean the game).--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 2:26 7, July 2010 (EDT)
:It's the backstory for the new continuity that the Prime cartoon on the Hub will share. This was confirmed at BotCon. The new continuity borrows elements from several past ones, including a movie-style AllSpark, a series of space bridges leading to Cybertronian colonies a la Galaxy Force/Cybertron, the Elite Guard from Animated, the Wreckers, and a great many other nods to previous work. It is not exclusively G1 that is referenced.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:37, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::NO IT IS NOT G1. STOP INTERPRETING STUFF HIGH MOON STUDIOS SAID SO THE GAME WOULD SELL BETTER AS WORD OF GOD.
::I had to get that out of my system. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:47, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:If it's G1, why is there an AllSpark cube? Why is Bumblebee mute? And what's Gigantion doing there? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:46, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, Thy, that's all stuff from the Exodus novel, not WFC proper. They're tied together, but the original poster was only speaking about the game. (Annoyingly enough, Bumblebee loses his voice in the novel before the events of the game (loosely) take place, making Bumblebee's talking kind of, you know, another fun discrepancy.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:48, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
SOOO doesn't that mean the Exodus Novel and the game are not related due to the MAJOR differences in the storyline(because honestly the game seems REALLY like its a G1 prequel).And if you disagree explain why bumblebee can suddenly talk again and he is just meeting optimus and ratchet.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 12:00,7 July 2010 (EDT)
: If it fits with G1 how come the designs are different, Dinobots, Combaticons and Aerialbots are present, the origin of Optimus is different, the origin of the Matrix is different, the way they leave the planet is different etc. etc. etc. etc.? {{unsigned|201.88.66.127|12:16, 7 July 2010}}
::That's been done all the time. The cartoon characters had different Cybertronian forms than the Dreamwave characters, but they're both G1. Plus, the Dinobots, Stunticons et al were in the War Within. Still, this game isn't G1. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:27, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Those wouldn't keep it out of G1, but DO prevent it from being the backstory to the G1 toon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:36, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
: Inconsistencies in story do not magically make Exodus anything other than a marketing tie-in to the game. They are intended to go together. If you likewise choose to ignore the fact that Hasbro have said that this will continue on into Prime and beyond, I don't know what more we can get out of this discussion.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:26, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
Okay High moon is STILL saying their game is a prequel to G1 even after they released the game.We SHOULD make new WFC pages,or link them back to G1.Forget hasbro right now I'm talking about High moon and their intentions for their game.No prime or Exodus.---[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 1:14, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:WFC is part of the backstory for TF:Prime. It seems like it can apply to G1 too because TF:Prime is deliberately mirroring a lot of G1, especially in past setup. But they're not the same and we will not treat them the same. Unless High Moon is also writing the next cartoon, that's that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:25, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::"Forget Hasbro"? You do realize that Hasbro has the final say on things, not High Moon. High Moon's statements are simply marketing, not fiction. Of course, why we are bothering to try to explain this to someone whose grasp of English does not include the simple word "said" is beyond me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:36, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::This is either a troll or someone who does not understand English. (Who, BTW, happens to share his username with a notorious Wikipedia troll/vandal) Either way this is getting ridiculous. High Moon DOES NOT have the final say on this stuff, their statement about WFC being G1 WAS intended to get more people to buy the game, YOU ARE AN ANNOYING LITTLE MAN, Primetime. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:54, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
(sighs)Okay look,lets drop this WHOLE topic.I might have misspelled on ACCIDENT and generally I was asking a question that you guys kept dodging.I'm not a troll(never heard of the ''notorious troll on wikia before that you're talking about'')so lets leave it alone and keep igonoring my question and go on with our lives.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 2:12, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:We've answered your question. Repeatedly. This IS NOT a prequel to the G1 toon, because Hasbro says it isn't. The hyperbole and metaphor used by High Moon as marketing strategy does not enter into things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:24, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
OOOKKKKAAAYYY I understand, now stop Talking about it.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 14:35, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

== pages ==

When are we going to create more character pages(e.g.Jetfire,Air Raid)?Just wondering because for some reason instead of a page for Ironhide we have a page for scattershot who isn't released yet.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 14:48,7 July 2010 (EDT)
:We just got an avalanche of materials to work through - AllSpark Almanac 2, Exodus, BotCon coverage - so it's going to take time to create other character pages when we get to it. "Your patience will be rewarded." --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:55, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

== DLC ==
Shouldn't we put more info about the upcoming dlc somewhere on this page because the ''extra info'' I'm talking about has already been confirmed(e.g.maps,characters).Right now the only info is the characters.--[[User:Primetime|Primetime]] 3:41,8 July 2010 (EDT)
:Dude, please. It's perfectly fine to ask for an article to be brought up to date, but it's pointless to tell anyone "shouldn't we complete this article". There's tons of articles to complete and whoever's on it is on it. If no one's on it yet, someone will be on it later. If you feel there's information missing, information you have access to, you can always try add it yourself. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:12, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

== hmmmm? ==
Question!Question!so ummmm...would WFC really go on the same page as the prime series due to the differences in storyline because it seems like it they would have different pages.Can someone please explain why because its kinda confusing.--[[User:Saberblade|Saberblade]] 16:04,July 8 2010 (EDT)
:No. WFC is a version of Prime, so it goes on the Prime pages under its own section. The same way the cartoon, Marvel, Dreamwave, Devil's Due, IDW are all versions of G1 and so go on the G1 pages. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:15, 8 July 2010 (EDT)
ohhhh,okay thank you.-- [[User:Saberblade|Saberblade]] 16:15, 8 July 2010 (EDT)

== Title ==

Given the way things are generally named on this wiki, shouldn't this article just be titled 'War for Cybertron' rather than 'Transformers: War for Cybertron'? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 07:17, 13 July 2010 (EDT)

The title of the game is ''Transformers:War for Cybertron'' right?So we should go by the title of the game. [[User:Saberblade|Saberblade]] 12:25, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
:Did a quick check of a few things.... Franchises tend to have the "Transformers" removed from the title (except Animated, mainly because it would just look funny), as do comic books (see [[Infiltration]] etc.). Video games tend to keep the "Transformers" prefix (except for ROTF, where most of the games drop it). It seems that policy is somewhat vague. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 00:53, 18 July 2010 (EDT)

== Links in Transformers references ==

Why is it that for things like "Brute-a-kiss" and "Devastator!" we link to the original (mostly G1) versions and not the disambiguation pages? For "Motormaster!", I can understand since until the game, there was only one Motormaster, but "Blast-a-rachnia" could easily be a reference to the Animated character and not just the BW one. Would it make more sense to link to the disambiguation pages for some of them, or am I alone? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 10:05, 25 July 2010 (EDT)
:That may simply be a remnant of when we thought that this game (and the Prime franchise) were part of the G1 continuity families. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:43, 25 July 2010 (EDT)
::That's what I was thinking. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:18, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

== Comics ==

Well I see the point about the game not being a prequel to the G1 cartoon.So how about the dreamwave comics or something?Hasbro doesn't seem to ever care about storylines making sense; so why should we consider them tie-ins because they want to sell toys?Shouldn't we look into other universes other than the cartoon.The Marvel Comics continuity for instance. --[[User:saberblade]] 10:52, 25 July 2010 (EDT)
:Various details (particularly having to do with Jetfire, the Dinobots, and the combiner teams) prevent it from being the backstory to any major (and most minor) G1 universe. This game is part of Hasbro's new Prime franchise (which is heavily G1 influenced but with many characters and concepts from later franchises added in), no matter what the video game company says as promotion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:47, 25 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nav Box ==

Not saying it's totally a bad idea, but I wonder if a TF: Prime continuity nav box might be more useful here than just of WFC solo box? Since WfC is just one facet of Prime? I can see arguments either way but thought I'd bring it up. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:58, 26 July 2010 (EDT)
:I agree. In fact I had asked a similar question at [[Template_talk:Nav-wfc-game]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:06, 26 July 2010 (EDT)

== In the interests of these WFC articles being accurate... ==

Do all the generic enemies you face, weapons, locations ect in the 360/PS3/PC version of the game also appear in the Wii and DS versions? Because there's minor articles being written and linking back to this general War for Cybertron article, though it's obviously written with the 360/PS3/PC version in mind. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:54, 1 August 2010 (EDT)
:I can't speak for the Wii version, but the DS version has a different set of generic enemies and there aren't any weapon pickups. Those articles should be linking to the 360/PS3/PC article. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:13, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

== G1 ==

If it's not G1, I want anyone to explain these ''simple'' questions: Why is every character have G1 colors, Why do they have G1 style faces, Why do the characters look nothing like PRIME. Why would Hasbro make a game just to support a SHORT FIVE PART MINI SERIES, Why would Hasbro NOT support their most popular Transformer line, Why does the characters have G1 Looks, Why does the Matrix look like the G1 Matrix, while Prime's looks like ROTF's Matrix. If Anybody could answer these questions, I will believe this is for Prime and not G1. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 05:28, 13 November 2010 (EST)

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