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<div class="list-header">'''Moving From Wikia:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving|Arriving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving|Leaving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|Complaints]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''New Ad Policy:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads|Ads]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Bookworm Database-Crash:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central|Damage Control Central]]
* [[Project:Bookworm Crash]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving2|Leaving Take 2]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Server Move:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2|Arriving Take 2]]
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* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
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* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
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== TF:Prime jump-fight factoid ==

I've just started to watch Prime, and so far every episode I've seen has had someone do a dramatic jump slowed down jump before landing on someone they are fighting, (and sometimes the camera). It's quirky enough that it's stood out, and I was wondering if it's worth adding to the episode guides? I just wanted to know now because I'm going to be watching the whole of season one over the next few days, and it's easier if I know now than if it's added later. Failing that, is there anything else that people desperatly want added to the Prime episode guides that I should be looking out for? [[User:LiamK|LiamK]] 17:31, 23 January 2012 (EST)
:There is a certain level of ridiculous info you can get away with adding if you're a regular contributor doing serious and consistent work on the pages, and you handle it with sufficient comedic value. Ref: [[Enter the Nightbird|Brawn vs. Soundwave]], [[Countdown to Extinction (episode)|What Makes Starscream the Leader?]], etc. This could conceivably qualify as well, but approach with caution. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:22, 23 January 2012 (EST)
::Fair enough. It wasn't just going to be an adding silly jokes because oh ha ha I think I'm hilarious. I was going to add anything missing to the relevent pages as well. It's just that 5 episodes in, we've had at least 4 dramatic jumps into the camera, one dramatic jump away from the camera, and several semi-dramatic jumps off to the side. It's hilarious when characters like Bulkhead are apparently able to jump 500 feet into the air. If Springer ever shows up in this continuity family, he's gonna reach orbit.[[User:LiamK|LiamK]] 19:59, 25 January 2012 (EST)

== Expandible voice actor lists ==

There's been some noise about some of the voice actor lists getting too long and the need for a way to have them hidden unless the user expands them. I've done some test code which is [http://www.aldenbates.com/vatest.html currently hosted externally] but is easily converted into something that will work on the wiki. Currently tested on Firefox 9 and 10, Internet Explorer 6 and 8, Chrome 16, and Opera 11. Feedback, anyone? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:41, 31 January 2012 (EST)
:Although I was expecting a show/hide like how Wikipedia does its navigation templates, I don't mind this. Still needs a "hide" option, if that's possible. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:46, 31 January 2012 (EST)
::I've added in a hide option. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:21, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:::If you set up a <nowiki>{{voiceactors}}</nowiki> template it'd be easy to hide the 'extended' cast names and have them show up automatically if you mouse over. '''<tt><nowiki>{{voiceactors|DEFAULT-TO-VISIBLE|DEFAULT-TO-INVISIBLE}}</nowiki></tt>'''
:::It wouldn't even require Javascript, it could be pure CSS. Simpler is better, IMO. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:26, 1 February 2012 (EST)
::::I kinda dislike the idea of it opening on mouse-over, because it can have unexpected effects on the layout of the rest of the page if you're not paying attention to where you're moving your mouse pointer. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 7 February 2012 (EST)
:::::I dislike mouse-over anything. Hide/show is a better interface. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:48, 7 February 2012 (EST)
::::::Add a third dislike vote for mouse-over. If we do this which (if any) voice actors should be visible without clicking? Only the primary English performer? All English performers? All English and Japanese? None? I vote for none. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:40, 7 February 2012 (EST)
:::::::I vote for whatever hides the German voice actors. I'd put the English and Japanese actors on a higher tier of importance, but I'm not opposed to hiding them. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:48, 7 February 2012 (EST)
:::::::I think English and Japanese should always be shown, as they are the two biggest uh... markets? Whatever. Hide everything else, and DEFINITELY make the reveal a deliberate CLICK, not a mouseover. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 7 February 2012 (EST)
Can we have this template now? I think everybody agrees that the extraneous VAs should be hidden. If people want to hide English and Japanese VAs, then that can be further discussed. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:48, 14 February 2012 (EST)

:[[Template:va]] (Should it be vas?)
:CSS entties which need to be added to the master file are as follows:
.tt1-voiceactorlist .tt1-extraneousFuckers{
display:none;
}
.tt1-voiceactorlist:hover .tt1-extraneousFuckers{
display:inline;
font-size:smaller;
}
.tt1-voiceactorlist.tt1-more:after{
content: "more";
padding-left:.5em;
font-size:smaller;
color:#999999;
}
.tt1-voiceactorlist:hover.tt1-more:after{
content: none;
}

:Styles are visible now if you've got [[User:Derik/kired tools|Kired Tools]] installed. Alternately you can paste the above into [[Special:Mypage/monacobook.css|your css file]] to get a look at it in action.

:If you want to make it Javascript that's beyond my remit, talk to one of the tech-guys. (Also I think it's a bad idea, but I'm against modifying the DOP for presentational purposes when there's already a markup language intended to control presentation: CSS. The wiki is currently Javascript 'light', I prefer to keep it that way.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:21, 14 February 2012 (EST)
::Why does it say "hiding the non English/Japanese voiceactors unless the user chooses to mouse over the list", I thought we had decided to make it use a click? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:19, 14 February 2012 (EST)
::# I don't have the authority or access to implement that.
::# I think it's a terrible idea.
:::By all means, feel free to install the CSS styles (some CSS styles will be required regardless) and see what you think of this implementation.
:::The underlying HTML will be the same for a Javascript implementation anyway. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:13, 14 February 2012 (EST)
So, er, did we come to a decision on either of these methods? I have to admit I kinda forgot about it until now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:13, 5 March 2012 (EST)
:I think consensus is to use clicks, not mouse-over, despite Derik's protests. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:13, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

== Facebook chat ==

Did the wiki have anyone at the TF Prime Facebook chat? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:38, 6 February 2012 (EST)

==Moving (Prime)/(WFC)/(RB)/(FOC) to (Aligned)==
Considering that characters are part of the Aligned continuity family, like how [[Megatron (Animated)]] belong to the Animated continuity family and [[Megatron (G1)]] belongs to the Generation 1 continuity family.
:No, that's not how we do things. Disambiguations are made by franchise of origin, hence why it's [[Megatron (G1)]], but [[Terrorsaur (BW)]] rather than Terrorsaur (G1), or why it's [[Ironhide (Energon)]] rather than Ironhide (UT). This has been discussed ad infinitum but the consensus remains the same. The only exception has been that characters who debuted in WFC but also appear in Prime get (Prime) because of the slight iffyness of the Aligned family. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:26, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
::(Edit conflict'd by Detour) I don't think we have an especially good, logical reason for why we do that with Aligned characters, other than that it simply feels very "wrong" to label a character with a prominent, regular fictional appearance in the ''Prime'' cartoon with a disambig based on their cameo appearance in a video game tie-in novel. Honestly, given that odd nature of the whole "Aligned" idea and the fact we're already breaking our standard with this continuity family's characters ''anyway'', I'm not entirely opposed to just using (Aligned) as a much handier, self-explanatory disambig, but I don't know if anyone would agree. It ''would'' feel odd, for instance, to label the Rescue Bots with that tag. And Bot Shots are a tremendous pain in the arse - it's so annoying when we have to create articles for Aligned Roadbuster and Topspin and whoever when the Bot Shots are just clearly the movieverse characters. The whole Aligned thing can sometimes be a real wiki-headache. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:32, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
:::Why DON'T they just get inserted into the Movie characters sections, then? [This thing applies to a lot of Hasbro's "fuzzier" lines of late, really - stuff's matched up with what other characters in the line are part of rather than just including them in an existing article for the version they're designed after]. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 10:41, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
::::I think treating Bot Shots as part of Aligned is somewhat dubious. Is there a reason it can't be viewed as using characters from multiple continuity families? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 11:00, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
:::::We already discussed this [[Talk:Bot Shots|here]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:59, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
::::::We do that so we don't have to pick nits over where the characters belong. Bot Shots Optimus Prime could fit many of his various incarnations. I disagree with renaming them to (Aligned), somewhat because all of the (WFC) guys will eventually be moved to (Prime), anyway. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:48, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
But should (Prime)/(WFC)/(RB)/(FOC) be renamed (Aligned) or not?--[[User:Finister2|Finister2]] 05:43, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
:No. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:29, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
::Why?--[[User:Finister2|Finister2]] 13:55, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
:::It's already been explained why. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:40, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

== Universal, properly-translated names of the Japanese Beast Wars/Beast Machines episodes ==

Okay, this has been bothering me for a while. On each page of the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)#Episodes|Beast Wars]] and [[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)#Episodes|Beast Machines]] episode, the Japanese title of each episode is given an English translation in each page's Foreign Localization section. And on the [[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Geneon]] page, under the sections of its Beast Wars, Beast Wars Metals, and Beast wars Returns releases, the Japanese episode titles are also translated into English. What's bothering me is that certain episodes are given slightly differently-translated English names when comparing those given on the actual episode pages to those given on the Geneon page. Here's a list of each differing episode title. The episode page names are on the left, and the Geneon page names are on the right:
:"The Solitary Warrior Tigatron" vs. "Lonely Warrior Tigatron"
:"Goodbye, Rattle!?" vs. "Goodbye Rattle!?"
:"The Falcon Warrior Airrazor" vs. "Falcon Warrior Airazor"
:"Floating Island Death Match Part 1" vs. "Floating Island Deathmatch Part 1"
:"Floating Island Death Match Part 2" vs. "Floating Island Deathmatch Part 2"
:"The Destrons' Dramatic Finish" vs. "The Destrons Make Drama"
:"Two Dinobots?" vs. "There are 2 Dinobots?"
:"The Ant Warrior from Hell, Inferno" vs. "Inferno, the Ant Warrior from Hell"
:"Revive, Beast Power!" vs. "Resurrected Beast Power"
:"The Immortal Starscream" vs. "Starscream's Invulnerability"
:"Fare Thee Well, Tigatron" vs. "Farewell Tigatron"
:"The Great King of Terror Arrives!" vs. "The King of Terror Arrives!"
:"You're Under Arrest, Meow" vs. "Meyow're Under Arrest"
:"Gro~w Bigger" vs. "Groooww Bigger"
:"I Am Resurrected, Dā" vs. "I am Resurrected!"
:"Blaze, Dragon" vs. "Blazing Dragon"
:"I Hath Returned" vs. "We Have Returned"
:"Resurrection of the Legend" vs. "Rebirth of the Legend"
:"The Dearly Wished Transformation" vs. "The Transformation of a Dear Wish"
:"The Memory of a Friend" vs. "Memory of a Friend"
:"Mission of the Stars" vs. "Message of the Stars"
:"The Moment of Truth" vs. "The End"
:"Captured Souls" vs. "Capture of the Spirits"
:"The Hellish All-out Attack" vs. "The General Offensive of Hell"
:"The Course of the Future" vs. "The Fate of the Future"
Could someone who's more adept at Japanese please clarify which titles should be universally used on this Wiki, and help in an attempt to create a greater sense of unity between the individual episode pages and the Geneon page (and with any other such pages on this Wiki as well)? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:29, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
:The titles on the episode pages are more refined. Not to mention it would be easier to change the titles on a single page. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:58, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
::"I Hath Returned"? That's incorrect English. "Hath" was third person singular, not first person ("he hath" not "I hath"). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:10, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
:::[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] translated that. I recall the intention was to capture the old-timey connotation of the original Japanese. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 08:21, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
:Something else that has me pondering are the specific choices made in spelling and grammar of a few of these titles. Like, the inclusion of a "The" where it may not need be (like in "The Solitary Warrior Tigatron" instead of just "Solitary Warrior Tigatron", or "The Falcon Warrior Airrazor" vs. "Falcon Warrior Airazor") or the use a comma (like in "Goodbye, Rattle!?" as opposed to "Goodbye Rattle!?") or a space between two words instead of making them a compound word ("Death Match" vs. "Deathmatch"), and the synonymous use of "Resurrect(ion)", "Rebirth", and "Revive". In these cases, are the titles on the episode pages truly the more precise titles, or could they also use some amending? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:20, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
::Most of those details are up to the translator's discretion. But, like I said, it's easier to just edit the Genon page rather than across multiple articles. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:33, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

== Category:Deceased ==
Sub-categories
*Category:Deceased (Generation 1 cartoon)
**Category:Deceased (Marvel comics)
**Category:Deceased (BW)
*Category:Deceased (Armada)
*Category:Deceased (Energon)
*Category:Deceased (Movie)
**Category:Deceased (ROTF)
**Category:Deceased (DOTM)
*Category:Deceased (SG)
*Category:Deceased (Animated)
*Category:Deceased (Aligned)

Why not?--[[User:Finister2|Finister2]] 05:52, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

:"Deceased" is a stupid idea on a wiki that focuses on fiction with multiple continuities, time periods, vague "deaths", and resurrections. All characters will inevitably die at one point. This is not a warranted category. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:55, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

::Vote for "No".
::A character may get killed in a sub-continuity but alive in another. Not to mention if the character will be resurrected or not. (So, we don't need Category:Resurrected characters, either.) --'''[[User:TX55|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 10:11, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
:::It is an appealing idea, to have categories for characters that are deceased "now." If they are patched up, they get removed from the category. I would have changed the categories to "Deceased (Movieverse)" and "Deceased (UT cartoon)" since they are supposed to be all one continuity. The only problem I see is vague deaths and continuity inconsistencies. People would probably disagree with me that [[Brawn (G1)]] obviously survived that shot to the shoulder. So, unfortunately, I can't fully endorse the idea. - [[User:Starfield|Starﬁeld]] 11:08, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
::::If we go by continuity, we are going to have a ''lot'' of "Deceased" categories. And you could only do it by continuity, which goes against our current methods to have categories by franchise. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:46, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
::I agree with you guys in regards to characters. but, what about a category for ''real'' people who have been involved with the Transformers franchise (like voice actors, designers, writers, etc.) who are deceased? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:11, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

== Scheduled downtime. ==

Our hoster is moving servers around tomorrow. One of ours is gonna be moved starting between "Thu Apr 12 23:00:00 UTC 2012 and Fri Apr 13 05:00:00 UTC 2012." So that'll happen. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:52, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
:I presume all the necessary backups have been made? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:37, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
::Regularly, like clockwork. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:51, 12 April 2012 (EDT)

==Category: Cats==
Presumably we have some kind of unwritten "We don't categorise by altmode" rule in play here, so I apologise if my adding a bunch of characters to this category seemed heavy-handed but in my defence the distinction between ''Shattered Glass'' Steeljaw and G1 Ravage is, eh, pretty much non-existent, Cheetor himself says "I'm a cat", it's a subset of Characters by species and we have K-9 under Dogs, so it's hardly black and white. But my main reason for doing it was that in SEO terms, having the word "Cats" repeatedly linked a bunch of times throughout the wiki is really quite useful, as in the wider internet cats are kind of a big deal. Real effing kitten calendars and all that. Isn't that something to consider? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 03:47, 26 April 2012 (EDT)
:Categorizing by alternate mode has been brought up several times, but nobody has bothered to hammer out the details and do it. I don't particularly care for it one way or another, but putting Transformers in plain categories like "Cats" and "Watercraft" based on alternate mode makes them useless to those who only want to know about actual cats or watercraft in ''Transformers''. That said, I completely fail to see the relevance of Internet memes to our categorization system. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:59, 26 April 2012 (EDT)
::Well, just that keywords are good for search engines, keywords that link to relevant pages even better and lots of people search for cats on the internet. I know that my girlfriend does and at a time like this (when my birthday is coming up) it's not impossible that she might search for "Transformers cats". If that led her to, say, SG Ravage's page (which is quite accessible to an internet-savvy non-fan with its twitter references and Walky's cartoons) then she may well stick around to find out more, and maybe look for more Transformers cats through the category links at the bottom of the page. At the moment our first link in a Google search is Snow Cat, who's kinda cool but you'd probably have to be a GI Joe fan to really get it. I dunno, I'm just spitballing here, but part of my job is SEO so I hope I at least know something like what I'm talking about. Anyway, that was my line of thinking. If it's problematic then that's fine, but I'm not really convinced by the "people looking for actual cats or watercraft in ''Transformers''" argument either - on a TF wiki I think they'd assume Transformers that turn into either of those things would be included by default. They are robots in disguise, after all. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:36, 26 April 2012 (EDT)

== Google + ==
I've made a Google + for the wiki. I just need someone to link it to the main page because I don't know how. This is the link: https://plus.google.com/106006102124340784739 -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 19:00, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

== Alt-mode listings ==

I've seen several things here discussing listing alt-modes by ''category'', but I'm looking for something a bit less complicated. I would really appreciate having each character's page at least openly list their alt-mode in the beginning; as it stands, some pages do not make it clear what that character turns into, generally only mentioning it in passing or in screenshots. I think some kind of fill-in-the-blanks template would work well, the kind they use on Wikipedia for comic book superheroes that have sections for code names, secret identities, a brief list of abilities, etc. It doesn't even have to be that thorough, just a small piece under the page's main picture that has "name, alt-mode, faction" would be a nice change of pace. [[User:Deusoma|Deusoma]] 15:15, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
:Your idea is impractical because many characters have had numerous altmodes. Listing all of them would be ridiculously long while trying to generalize them down to a single listing would be useless. For example, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. The casual fan might assume that you could just list his altmode as "semi truck" and be done with it. But he has also been a bat, a Lambourghini Diablo and a shoe. And that doesn't even get into what kind of "semi truck" he is: cab over engine like the original or long nose like the Generation 2 version. And does it have a sleeper. With or without trailer. And you still haven't covered his non-Earth modes. None of the Cybertronian forms we have seen looks anything like any of the others. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:29, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
::I don't care one way or the other, but we could hide the minor alternate modes, the same as we do with voice actors. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:40, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
:While I agree that we should do our best to list alt-modes, at the beginning of the article doesn't seem like the most efficient place to do it. Rather, we should continue listing the alt-mode in the description of the various toys and work on filling in those that are lacking. - [[User:Shellspark|Shellspark]] 16:26, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
: Well, there are a lot of fiction-only altmodes going on. I could see this working as a Notes subsection, possibly as a gallery. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:27, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
:: Yeah, that's why I always attempt to get an image of each altmode in the fiction section as they appear. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:56, 2 May 2012 (EDT)

==Redundant foreign names==
According to Interrobang:
:"''So? It's been the standard for a long time and exactly how do you expect readers to know that Japan uses the same name without noting it?''"
1) No, it has NOT been "the standard for a long time". In fact, we didn't do this for YEARS. You're the one who seems to have decided, fairly recently, to pull this crap. Like with "mammoth".<br>
2) Well. Why don't we just list every country in the world that also uses that name? After all, how exactly are we to know if the Canadians don't not call her Airachnid, or the Germans, or the Zimbabweans (holy shit "Zimbabweans" is ''correct''?), or the other 190-odd nations across the globe? Oh wait, because we can use some incredibly base deductive reasoning and assume that unless a ''different'' name is listed for a country, ''it's the same name and we don't need to fucking list it there just so you can get a katakana-boner''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:45, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
:There is the argument to be made that not including a foreign name leaves the reader unable to know if the character either has the same name in that country, or if that information is just ''missing'' from the article. Not that I disagree that it ''really'' seems to have got out of control, to the point that the Japanese words for "doctor" or "scientist" or "coach" or "mammoth" are being added to nameless characters' articles. I enjoyed our older attitude that basically amounted to "fuck katanana unless necessary to explain something". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:05, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
::The counter-argument was already made above. ''Transformers'' is a global brand now, and it's basically a waste of space to list every country where Optimus Prime is called "Optimus Prime" (or as close as they can get phonetically), and better to assume that it is "Optimus Prime" unless otherwise noted. The ''probability'' that the name is the same is pretty damn good nowadays, especially in Japan. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:34, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
:::I'm sympathetic. If somebody actually does go through the trouble to track down what Airachnid is called in Zimbabwean and it ends up being "Airachnid" then if they put the information down, then nobody else will have to go through the trouble of looking it up. What if redundant foreign names are left <nowiki></nowiki> - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:04, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
::::I hate seeing redundant names, but I agree that a certain degree of "is this already known?" may exist in a vacuum. I'm not opposed to leaving them in the code but commented out to keep them out of the page itself. -[[User:LV|LV]] 00:00, 4 May 2012 (EDT)
:::::Would it be acceptable to have a template that displays the foreign names, but hides or combines entries if the names are not unique? The template might also be able to auto-categorize by "characters missing ''language'' names", too.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 18:49, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

==Toy Fair/Pre-Toy Fair Catalogues==
Collectively we went all out on getting hold of the 86 PTF catalogue when it popped up on eBay and have a nice page with full scans of it (I say "we" I completely missed that fund-raising drive). Going forward, is it a feasible aim for other Toy Fair and Pre-Toy Fair cats to be collected for the Wiki or is 86 known to be the only one of significant interest? I ask because I just stumbled upon an eBay seller with the 88 TF cat (which I'd hoped to procure for use on my Visionaries wiki) and some early 90s ones, all of which are beyond my means, but at relatively reasonable prices. Can't link to them on my phone, but I thought I'd mention it in case they are of significant interest like the 86 one was. [[User:Danja|Danja]] 03:45, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

== Google Chrome ==
Does anybody else experience a ''really'' slow connection to only this site while using Google Chrome? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 21:42, 17 May 2012 (EDT)

FYI: <nowiki>{{bigquote}}</nowiki> overlaps images in Google Chrome, like on [[Morocco]]. I don't know when that started. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:03, 22 May 2012 (EDT)

Now, the <nowiki>{{picsneeded}}</nowiki> tag overlaps the top of the episode template. It might just be my computer, but I don't know. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 18:28, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

:These layout problems are apparently an issue with the latest version of Chrome. I guess they'll get fixed in the next release or something. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:10, 31 May 2012 (EDT)

== Transformers 4 ==
Does anyone mind if I take a stab at creating a page for it? I'm not some idiot who's gonna create a crappy page with no effort. Or is it ''way'' to early to do that? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 19:03, 6 June 2012 (EDT)

== Prime game ==
What do people think about putting [[Transformers Prime: The Game]] in the nav bar? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 09:47, 10 June 2012 (EDT)
:Or we can replace the link to the Prime cartoon page with a link to the Prime franchise page, that way it avoids overcluttering the navbar. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:15, 10 June 2012 (EDT)
::Yeah, that also might work. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 09:23, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
:::At least 95% of the people who click on that are likely to be looking for info on the cartoon, and I feel like if we have Rescue Bots and Dark of the Moon pointing to the cartoon/film rather than the franchises, we should aim to be consistent with our navigation. We'll presumably have to add [[Transformers Universe]] there eventually anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:46, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I forgot about that. We probably can take Dark of the Moon to declutter it. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 16:50, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
:::::We could divide things up with subheaders or just by putting darker lines in to split up the links. Man, I wish there was a way to easily add in more links without cluttering up the menu too much. It feels like we should have links to current toylines as well, and maybe the current IDW comics. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:21, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
::::::Yeah probably, but what can you do, right? And I like that subheader idea. And on a different note, "Transformers Prime: The Game" is a mouthful. How can we abbreviate that? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 17:36, 11 June 2012 (EDT)
::::::: TF Prime: The Game??? [[User:Bumblebee2000|Bumblebee2000]] 08:19, 12 June 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Probably the best we can do. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 13:37, 12 June 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::So what are we going to do about this nav bar? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 18:17, 12 June 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::Are we using the <nowiki>{{Primecap}}</nowiki> template for images from it? -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]] 10:07, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

::::::::::Be patient. This stuff never happens overnight. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:50, 12 June 2012 (EDT)
:On abbreviating the name, as everything on the wiki is Transformers, you can say "Prime: The Game" instead of "TF Prime: The Game". The "TF" is assumed. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:30, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

== Rare/Unkown vintage G1 Walkie Talkie toys? ==

Hi guys. I was just browsing ebay and came across 3 old G1 Walkie Talkies that don't appear to be mentioned on the wiki anywhere.
#1- [http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transformers-Walkie-Talkie-ROBOT-1987-Hasbro-Inc/270982316728/ This] one appears to be an Argentinian Transformer with the mold licensed from Commando Toys.
#2 [http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Transformers-G1-Walkie-Talkies-Boxed-/300654034838?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item4600607f96/ These] guys appear to be unnamed generics.
#3 [http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/REAL-VTG-80s-TRANSFORMERS-INTERCOM-TELEPHONE-SYSTEM-WIRED-WALKIE-TALKIE-NIB-MIB-/360458042129?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item53ecf93b11 This] one features two Optimus Primes as an "Electronic Intercom Telephone System" (which seems to basically be two walkie talkies connected via a wire). Box says made by Nasta in lager photos and check out that goofy looking transformation sequence.

I'm not entirely sure if any of these are legit as I've never seen them mentioned anywhere else before. Anyone else know more info about these? Should they be added to wiki? [[User:RavenG|RavenG]] 02:27, 16 June 2012 (EDT)

== Technical Contact (and passwords) ==

Hi, guys. It's Botch the Crab... though I can't sign in as my account. I lost my password. I don't know what email address is associated with the account, but whichever one it is, when I did the "forgot password" thing and was told a new password was emailed to me, I never received any emails.

So my first question is: who can help me re-claim my account?

My second question is: who are the technical administrators of the wiki, and is that information posted somewhere that I couldn't find? I tried contacting Chris McFeely and David Willis, but neither of them were able to help, nor did they know who
would. So! Suggestions?

:I tried emailing your username, but it didn't work... It said that I need to be logged in with a valid email set, but I had done both of those things. Can any other user successfully send an email to [[User:Botch the Crab]]? Because it might be the email module that isn't working and that's why you can't reset your password. I don't think the MediaWiki framework has been updated since 2008 (we're running [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.12#MediaWiki_1.12.0 MediWiki 1.12.0]), and if David Willis doesn't know who's running the tech (seeing as how [http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/tfwiki.net he registered this site), it makes me think that there are not any people doing that. I could be mistaken, but I think there are only admins that are affecting change within the MW software.
:As far as I know, once a password to a MW site is lost there is no recovery outside of email, at least that is the case for WP. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 17:49, 16 June 2012 (EDT)

::I just tried sending an email to Botch and it worked, though the copy I sent myself ended up in my gmail spam folder. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:48, 16 June 2012 (EDT)

:::You're right, I had to confirm my email address and now I can email, although emails from this site were marked as spam for me as well. Botch, I can only hope that you haven't checked your spam folder. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 00:54, 17 June 2012 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

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5 mm post

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[[Image:5mmpostmainpic_001.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Weapons for everybody!]]
One of the simplest innovations in [[toy|Transformers toys]], using universally sized posts for accessories, weapons and figures is something that has characterised several Transformers lines throughout the years. The most common universal post and port size is the '''5-millimetre (5mm) post'''. This size was used throughout [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]], ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', and almost universally throughout ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'', ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]''.

Using a single, universal size of weapon post allows Transformers toys to swap weapons between one another. During most Transformers toy lines, this interchangeability was seldom advertised as a feature of the toys, but during ''Armada'', that changed. The introduction of the [[Mini-Con]]s gave 5mm posts an entirely new purpose: A hollow 5mm post could now become a mounting point for a Mini-Con. The interchangeability suddenly became an advertised feature of the toys.

The 5mm post has become pretty ubiquitous in ''Transformers'' toy design, with only a few lines (mainly the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 live-action movie]] and ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'') favoring less-interchangeable systems.

==Functionality==
===Backwards compatibility===
[[Image:Primesharingguns.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Dude, you're right. Guns with their posts in the right place '''rock!'''"]]
Probably the biggest, most meaningful aspect of using a universal fist size is compatibility between toys. You can share your accessories or Mini-Cons or even some integral parts of toys around to other toys from the same line. Even better for long-term fans of the franchise is that the continuous use of 5mm posts from Generation 1 onwards into modern lines means that toys are actually backwards-compatible with the accessories from older toys. As well as delightful opportunities for mixing and matching, this means that characters who get new toys can use accessories from their old toys. Even if you don't like [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|"Classics" Optimus Prime's]] rifle, you can always just give him [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#PMOP|Powermaster Optimus Prime's]] rifle, or [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Return of Convoy|Star Convoy's]].

This compatibility works both ways, allowing you to use ''Armada'', ''Energon'' and even Power Core Combiners weapons with old [[Micromaster]] Bases or [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]s toys.

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===A matter of tolerance===
Despite the fact that 5mm posts are supposed to be universally the same size, this isn't always the case. Sometimes, due to play wear or simply to slight (very slight) differences in tooling, some posts are tighter or looser than others. This can mean that sometimes a toy will hold a gun loosely, or that a weapon will be too tight to fit into another toy's hand.

Generally, this is only a problem on toys or toolings that have seen a lot of use. A Generation 1 toy like [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Soundwave]] that was produced for several years and re-released many times might actually show a difference in tolerance between different samples of the toy. Similarly, toolings which see a lot of use, such as [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Classics|"Classics" Starscream]], can begin to show mould wear. There are many reports of later ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' versions of the mould not being able to hold their weapons correctly because tolerances are poor. There are several recommended actions for fixing loose sockets, such as floor polish.

If a toy sees a lot of play, especially if weapons are being removed and replaced repeatedly, a hole (or sometimes a post) can wear down, making the weapons looser. It's possible to increase this problem while swapping weapons between different toys. If a gun post from a [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Pretender|Pretender Bumblebee]] is slightly smaller than the post from [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Pretender|Pretender Grimlock]], then Grimlock's gun might actually ''stretch'' Bumblebee's fists. This could result in Bumblebee no longer being able to hold his own gun firmly. It's advisable when swapping guns between different toys to be aware of the slight differences in tolerances between toys.
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===Multiple posts and double posting===
[[Image:Swindlerifle_doublepostdemo.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Pssst—hey, bud!"<br/> "WHO, ME?!"<br/> "Shhhhhh!"<br/> "Who, me?"<br/> "Riiiiiiiiight."]]
Some Transformers toys come with multiple figures, such as a [[Pretender]] shell and its inner robot. Other toys are small and merge with bigger toys to become still larger. Other toys come with a trailer or base which has larger weapons than the core robot. Because of the size difference between the two components, two different weapon post sizes are required.

The early Pretenders usually handle this by simply giving the gun two different posts: a larger 5mm post for the outer shell, and a smaller post for the inner robot. The result is that the two figures hold the same gun in different ways. For the purposes of this article, we'll refer to these as "multiple-post weapons".

Another solution, one often used with combiners, is simply to have the two posts one on top of the other—the smaller post on the bottom and the larger post on the top, both forming the same handle of the gun. [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s accessories are one of the earliest examples (albeit unintentional), with rings or ridges widening the pegs to 5mm. The problem with this solution is that, when one gives weapons to unrelated toys, Transformers with fist holes that don't go all the way through the hands (such as [[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys#Armada|''Armada'' Hot Shot]]) often can't hold these guns. We'll call that "double-posting" or "double-posted weapons" for the purposes of this article.

===5mm Screw Holes===
Many Transformers over the years have indented holes to allow screws to hold two pieces of the toy together. These screw holes come in all shapes and sizes but often they are also 5mm ports. Sometimes this is intentional, and the screw hole is deliberately moulded to 5mm to give the toy more functionality. Most of the time though, they aren't intentionally 5mm ports and are either very tight or slightly loose.

5mm screw holes can add functionality to many toys which otherwise aren't 5mm compatible, especially if a fan is creative. However, we have only included 5mm screw holes in the compatibility list below if they are particularly notable. So if you suspect a toy's screw holes are 5mm and he's not on the list, at least give it a try.

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===Powerlinx Ports===
[[Image:Armadagalvatron_5mmoverload.jpg|right|250px|thumb|I want it all, and I want it now!]]

During the [[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|''Armada'' toy line]], a new spin on the 5mm post and port was developed: the [[Mini-Con]] [[Powerlinx]]. Using hollow 5mm posts with a "trigger" contained inside, Mini-Cons could activate the [[gimmick]]s of other toys or simply mount on other toys. Because the Mini-Cons use a special kind of port, they cannot be mounted on 5mm posts that aren't hollow. In theory, this means only toys with specific Powerlinx ports can hold Mini-Cons. In ''practice'', this isn't the case at all.

Throughout the history of the ''Transformers'' franchise, for one reason or another, toys have come with 5mm posts which are hollow, creating a kind of unintentional back-compatibility with many Mini-Cons. We'll list this back-compatibility in individual toy entries further down the page.

The other significant aspect of the Powerlinx ports is that they act like regular 5mm posts too. This means that you can use them to mount any weapons or accessories that are designed to mount on 5mm posts. Does mounting a bunch of miniature cars on [[Starscream (Armada)#toys|''Armada'' Starscream's]] arms seem silly to you? Maybe it's time to use the guns from the [[Micromaster]] [[Anti-Aircraft Base]].
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==Generation 1==
In the first few years of the toy line, partly because of the mix-and-match nature of the line itself, ''Transformers'' didn't have very standardised fist sizes. The ''[[Diaclone]]''-descended toys usually had no single standard, with only the toys with the biggest weapons or fists having 5mm posts. The ''[[Micro Change]]''-descended toys were much more consistent about post size, using 5mm posts on almost all of the toys with weapons or accessories, because of the size being one of the standard connectors for Microman toys.

As Generation 1 evolved 5mm posts and ports became nearly universal. Only the switch to smaller toys with [[Action Master]]s changed this — a new, smaller, universal post size was used for that line. These smaller sized posts carried over into the UK Transformers, while in [[Japan]] the rise of Micromasters led to 5mm staying predominant throughout the line.

===1984===
;AUTOBOTS
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] — The only Autobot this year to use 5mm posts, Prime's main rifle sadly has a terrible [[design flaw]] (that has '''never''' been corrected, despite all the reissues) which makes it much less interchangeable with other toys. The gun's handle is moulded in the wrong place, and there's a false handle where the real one should be. Prime has actually been retooled to allow him to hold the rifle better — by increasing the size of the rims on his fists. Too bad they didn't just put the rifle's handle post in the right place. In addition to the rifle, [[Roller (G1)|Roller]]'s fuel pump is also a 5mm post. It's possible to use this to either give the pump to other toys or to pump up Roller with some heavy weaponry.

;DECEPTICONS
All the 1984 Decepticons use 5mm posts in some capacity.
*[[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]]
[[Image:Ravage5mmcompatibility.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Shattered Glass Ravage prefers flowers.]]
*[[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]], [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]], [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]] — Due to the post holes in their bodies, they can be pegged onto Mini-Con ports, or similar 5mm posts.

*[[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]],[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] — Their wings ''and'' their weapons have 5mm posts.

*[[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]] — Most notably his large chrome rifle has a 5mm post on it, allowing it to be given to other toys.

===1985===
;AUTOBOTS
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] — Grimlock's fist holes are smaller than 5mm (being the size of Rhisling's lower hilt), but ridges on the upper sections of his launcher and sword's pegs and a ring on the upper part of the gun's peg make them 5mm.

*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]

*[[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] and [[Twin Twist]] — These toys do NOT have 5mm post holes, but their rifles have a 5mm base to the gun peg, effectively creating a very shallow double-peg that allows their guns limited inter-changeability with toys with 5mm fists.

*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]

;DECEPTICONS
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] — Devastator's is a classic double-posted rifle. Devastator's fists are 5mm holes, but he shares his rifle with [[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] and his tiny, tiny fists.

*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] have the same 5mm compatibility as Starscream and company from the previous year.

*[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] — The strange construction of Blitzwing's weapons and fists makes interchangability ... awkward, as his fist holes are on the sides instead of the top; the weapons are sculpted to still look like he's holding them normally. Of course, if you're a fan of punch daggers, or Blitzwing holding someone else's guns 'gangsta-style', then more power to you.

===1986===
1986 saw the introduction of the Transformers [[Special Teams]], or [[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]-style combiners. All of these combiners used 5mm posts as standard to peg in their fists and feet in combined mode, meaning you could swap these parts between any of the combiners. The fists of the combined forms almost universally used 5mm holes (all except [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] and [[Piranacon (G1)|Piranacon]]) and almost all the leaders of the teams (except [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]) used 5mm posts for their fists.

The smaller members of the Special Teams almost all had small pistols or rifles that used variably compatible smaller posts, and larger alt mode weapons that used 5mm posts — often taking advantage of post holes used for the combined form's fists or feet. The earlier toys often used weapons with 5mm ports which would peg onto the robot — allowing those weapons to be pegged onto Mini-Con ports and other similar 5mm posts. The later toys tended to use 5mm posts which peg into ports on the toy.

;AUTOBOTS
[[Image:Outback5mmcompatibility.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Where the bloody hell am I? Right here, mate. Right here!]]
*[[Outback (G1)|Outback]] — The only [[Mini Vehicle]] with a weapon at all, Outback sports a 5mm post that lets him use all kinds of crazy weapons.

*[[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] and [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] — But '''not''' [[Rewind]] or [[Eject]], strangely. Ramhorn's peg holes are very loose.

*[[Superion (G1)|Superion]] — Barely. The [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]]s are the only Special Team whose leader doesn't use 5mm posts, and who have no members with larger vehicle weapons which use 5mm posts. Superion doesn't have 5mm fists either. Only the posts and ports for the combined form's hands and feet are 5mm posts. Superion even has what looks like a hollow 5mm peg on the underside of his combined form's chest plate — however this peg is just slightly too big to be of use.

*[[Protectobot (G1)|The Protectobots]] — In the standard style of the Scramble City teams, described above.

*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]

*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] — Most of Magnus' accessories use 5mm posts. Interestingly enough his rifle has two ways of being held — the large robot uses a larger peg than the small inner robot's 5mm post. So you can only let other toys hold the gun in the same way as Magnus' inner robot.

*[[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] — Uses 5mm posts for his weapons, and his fists. He can happily wear any Scramble City fists instead of his own. [[Six-Gun]] and [[Scamper]] do not use 5mm pegs for their weapons, however [[Slammer]] does. His turret is on a hollow 5mm post so it can be mounted on (or rather under, most of the time) Mini-Cons!

;DECEPTICONS
*[[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]

*[[Stunticon (G1)|The Stunticons]] — In the standard style of the Scramble City teams, described above.

*[[Combaticon (G1)|The Combaticons]] — In the standard style of the Scramble City teams, described above.

*[[Predacon (G1)|The Predacons]] — Unlike the Scramble City toys, all the Predacons use 5mm posts as standard, with no accessories at all with smaller pegs, making all their weapons usable by [[Predaking]].

*[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] — Only his head-mounted gun, his rifle uses a smaller peg.

*[[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron]] — However remember, [[Nightmare_Planet|Galvatron's weapons pegs can be any size he wants!]]

*[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] — [[Full-Tilt]] does ''not'' use 5mm posts. On the other hand the [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt's]] tank turret ''does'' use them. It's completely possible to mount the turret as an arm cannon for an ''Armada'' toy, or anyone else with 5mm posts.

===1987===
By 1987 5mm posts had become almost universal. Only some smaller toys, and those toys without weapon accessories didn't have them.

;AUTOBOTS
*[[Technobot (G1)|The Technobots]] — In the standard style of the Scramble City teams, described in the 1986 section above.

*[[Fastlane]] & [[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]]

*[[Punch (G1)|Punch-Counterpunch]]

*The [[Monsterbot]]s

*The [[Targetmaster]]s — [[Kup (G1)#Targetmaster|Kup]], [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Targetmaster|Hot Rod]] and [[Blurr (G1)#Targetmaster|Blurr]] were [[retool]]ed to be 5mm peg compatible so that they could use [[Targetmaster]]s this year. The other Targetmaster moulds were all made with 5mm pegs in mind.

*The [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] — [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Toys|Fortress Maximus]] was the only Headmaster not to use 5mm pegs exclusively. Nearly all his accessories and the weapons for his smaller components were 5mm pegs. However his larger rifles were so huge they used much, much larger peg sizes which are not compatible with any other Transformers mould.

;DECEPTICONS
*[[Terrorcon (G1)|The Terrorcons]] — [[Blot (G1)#Toys|Blot]] and [[Cutthroat (G1)#Toys|Cutthroat]] are the only small Special Teams members outside the Aerialbots not to have alt mode weapons with 5mm posts. Blot has a backpack, and Cutthroat has a transforming tail weapon, instead.

*[[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]] & [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]

*[[Pounce]] & [[Wingspan]]

*[[Sixshot]]

*The [[Targetmaster]]s — [[Cyclonus (G1)#Targetmaster|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)#Targetmaster|Scourge]] were retooled to be able to use the 5mm pegs associated with Targetmasters and released again as part of this range.

*The [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] — Scorponok is the only Decepticon Headmaster not to use 5mm pegs universally. Most of his accessories use them, except for his four large double-barrelled cannons and his shield, which has a slightly wider peg hole. The shield does have a hollow 5mm peg on it, though, allowing you to mount a Mini-Con on the shield. Sweet! Oh yeah, that does mean, by the way, that his tremendously enormous rifle does use both 5mm pegs and 5mm peg holes. Fasttrack doesn't use 5mm pegs for his hands, but his arms are mounted on 5mm pegs, so you can give him all sorts of crazy gun arms.

===1988===
[[Image:Pretender5mmcompatibility.jpg|right|250px|thumb|5mm pegs on Pretenders: A demonstration.]]
1988 introduced a new line dependent on the 5mm peg, the Pretenders. As mentioned above, in the section on multiple posts and double posts, the Pretender shells all had 5mm pegs, while their robots had smaller (less universally sized) pegs. Pretenders usually had at least one weapon (sometimes more) that was meant for both the shell and the inner robot. For the 1988 Pretenders, these weapons had multiple pegs on them, allowing different components to hold them in different ways. These weapons were also usually a part of the Pretender's vehicle mode, and mounted on them in that mode using 5mm pegs.

Later Pretenders used double-posting instead of multiple-posting, so that the inner robots often lacked the 5mm compatibility in their vehicle modes that earlier Pretenders enjoyed. But for 1988 it was 5mm compatible city!

;AUTOBOTS
*[[Grand Slam (G1)|Grand Slam]] & [[Raindance]]

*The [[Targetmaster]]s

*The [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] — Unlike in 1987, the 1988 Autobot Headmasters had two sets of weapons with different post sizes. There was a single main rifle for the main robot with a 5mm post, and two smaller pistols that were both vehicle mode weapons and antennae for the robots' head.

*The [[Powermaster]]s. — [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#PMOP|Powermaster Prime]] in particular is notable because his weapons are massive, badass and freakin' awesome. You know they are. Admit it.

*[[Quickswitch]]

*The [[Pretender]]s — Including the regular Pretenders, [[Pretender Beast]]s and [[Gunrunner (G1)|Gunrunner]], the [[Pretender Vehicle]].

;DECEPTICONS
[[Image:Skalor5mmcompatibility.jpg|right|250px|thumb|That gun mode stinks!]]
*[[Seacon (G1)|The Seacons]] — Because of his Targetmaster gimmick, [[Piranacon (G1)|Piranacon]] is one of only two (the other being Superion, the piker) Generation 1 combiner robot without 5mm post hole fists. Instead he has special ports for the square pegs which are used as part of the Special Teams style combination. Each of the five smaller Seacons also come with a special Targetmaster stand which allows them to use their gun forms independent of Piranacon. The stand is divided into three parts, a connector, a post and a base. The post is moulded to look like a large rifle and has multiple pegs on it (of different sizes) letting it be held as a weapon both by the small Seacons and by anyone with a 5mm fist. The connector is even cooler, since it has a 5mm post hole and can be used to mount the Seacons on Mini-Con ports or other similar gun posts when in gun mode. It can also be used to make any Scramble City style combiner limb 5mm post compatible, so any of them can become a giant Mini-Con. How awesome is that?

*[[Squawktalk]] & [[Beastbox (G1)|Beastbox]]

*The [[Targetmaster]]s

*The [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] — The small Decepticon Headmasters did not have two sets of weapons like their Autobot counterpart and relied entirely on 5mm posts.

*The [[Powermaster]]s — Doubledealer came with a special Powermaster Engine cover with a 5mm post on it. The post is hollow, allowing you to mount a Mini-Con on it.

*The [[Pretender]]s — Including the regular Pretenders, [[Pretender Beast]]s and [[Roadgrabber]], the [[Pretender Vehicle]].

===1989===
This year introduced the [[Micromaster]]s, as well as introducing a truck load more Pretenders. The Micromasters emphasised inter-compatibility in a way Transformers hadn't really done before. All the bases were able to connect through special ramps, and all the weapons for the bases used 5mm posts. The Micromasters themselves all had small post holes in their feet that corresponded to small posts all over the bases — letting you stand them freely. The Micromasters' association with 5mm pegs would continue through into the Japanese toy lines, and would be reflected in the Mini-Cons who would come down the pipeline many years later.

As we mentioned above the Pretenders this year were a little less 5mm compatible. While the first year Pretenders generally had 5mm ports on their vehicle modes as well as their Pretender shells, those 5mm posts disappeared on most of the inner robots for this year. Instead of using multiple posts on the same weapon more toys this year used a double-post.

;AUTOBOTS
Literally all the Autobot Pretenders from this year used 5mm posts. All of the Micromaster bases and transports except for Overload and [[Hot House]] used 5mm posts for their weapon accessories. Hot House and Overload don't really have any accessories, so that's understandable.
*[[Pincher]], [[Doubleheader]] and [[Longtooth]]
*[[Classic Pretender]]s — [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]], [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]] and [[Jazz (G1)/toys|Jazz]]. These toys were re-released without their shells as [[Legends (G1)|Legends]]. They only came with their smaller weapons, which are double-posted. While the inner robots can't hold 5mm weapons their weapons can be used with other toys. Bumblebee and Jazz's guns were switched for the Legends release, so if you're pedantic about continuity feel free to give Jazz's gun to Classics Bumblebee without feeling guilty.
*[[Crossblades (G1)|Crossblades]] and [[Vroom (G1)|Vroom]]
* [[Skyhammer (G1)|Skyhammer]]

*[[Erector (G1)|Erector]] and his [[Crane]] — Erector's weapons are all 5mm posts. While Erector's trailer hitch is not a 5mm post it is hollow and works as a 5mm port, allowing Erector to connect to other TFs and bases like a Mini-Con.
*[[Ironworks]]'s [[Construction station]] — In station mode, Ironworks's base has two hollow 5mm posts on its scaffolding section. These are completely compatible with Mini-Cons. In windmill... errr... radar tower mode these two pegs are used to mount the scaffolding to the tower, so aren't accessible.
* [[Groundshaker]]'s [[ATV]] and [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]]'s [[Rocket Base|Rocket base]]

;DECEPTICONS
All the Decepticon Micromaster bases and transports were 5mm compatible this year in some capacity. The Pretenders also, except for the Monster Pretenders.
*[[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] — As with nearly all combiners, Monstructor uses 5mm fist holes. However none of the individual Monster Pretenders do. Their shell covers sometimes have relatively inaccessible 5mm posts or ports for Monstructor's accessories, but that is more-or-less the extent of their compatibility.
* [[Octopunch (G1)|Octopunch]], [[Stranglehold]] and [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]
*[[Classic Pretender]]s [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] — Also available as a Legends figure without any of the 5mm compatibility conferred by his shell.
* [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]
* [[Roadblock (G1)|Roadblock]]

* [[Flattop (Decepticon)|Flattop]]'s [[Aircraft carrier]] and [[Roughstuff]] and his [[Military transport]] — Roughstuff's are the only large Micromaster weapons without 5mm posts, making him far less compatible with other toys than he should be. However his trailer hitch is a 5mm post and port. That might be of... some use.
* [[Greasepit (G1)|Greasepit]]'s [[Gas station]] and [[Airwave]]'s [[Airport]] — Greasepit has a host of little 5mm post accessories that aren't weapons like a set of petrol pumps and a street sign. Airwave's compatibility is limited to having several 5mm ports on the top of his base's station mode.
* [[Skyhopper]]'s [[Helicopter]] and [[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]]'s [[Interstellar shuttle]]

===1990===
[[Action Master]]s dropped the 5mm posts in favour of a smaller standard-sized peg for hand-held weapons, obviously due to the smaller size of the figures' fists. However, the backpack accessories for the individually carded figures use 5mm pegs to attach to the screw-holes in the figures' backs, making them compatible with weapons for larger toys. Some of the bases use 5mm posts for their weapon systems as well. But for the most part, this was the end of 5mm pegs being universal in Transformers for a very long time; it wouldn't happen again until the [[Unicron Trilogy]], almost a decade later.

;AUTOBOTS
[[Image:Lionizer5mmdemo.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Another example of why beards freakin' rock.]]
* [[Lionizer]]. Because of his beard, he actually has a double-post, so he has a 5mm post, though it's very tight.

* [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Action Master|Prowl]]'s [[Turbo Cycle (G1)|Turbo Cycle]]. — His engine intakes have a 5mm port, so they can be mounted on Mini-Con pegs if you'd like, and his wheel section has a 5mm post. The rest of his accessories use the more standard smaller pegs used by Action Masters.
* [[Over-Run (G1)|Over-Run]]. — While both he and his helicopter aren't really 5mm compatible, he ''does'' have hand-held missile launchers with 5mm post ''holes'' on them. They can be mounted on Mini-Con ports, or you can mount 5mm guns on top of them while Over-Run is holding them — but good luck keeping his arms up. There's a couple of posts on the back of his helicopter as well.
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#AM|Optimus Prime's]] [[Armored Convoy]] — Has a bunch of black guns and orange guns with 5mm posts. Yes, you can give all these weapons to Classics Primes. The black guns have hollow posts and so can be mounted on Mini-Cons. The entire Armored Convoy, both cab and trailer, is littered with 5mm ports.

* [[Missile Launcher]] (with [[Retro]] & [[Surge (G1)|Surge]]) and [[Tanker Truck]] (with [[Pipeline]] & [[Gusher]]) — Both bases have a new mould Micromaster ramp with a double-peg on it. Unfortunately it's very hard to access, and not very effective as a shield for other toys The combiner bases also extensively use 5mm ports and pegs for all their weapons, and even their main combining pegs. This means they can be connected to each other, or to any other 5mm pegs or ports.
* [[Battlefield Headquarters]] with [[Full-Barrel]] & [[Overflow]]

;DECEPTICONS
* [[Megatron (G1)/toys#ActionMaster|Megatron's]] [[Neutro-Fusion Tank]]
* [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]]'s [[Stratotronic Jet]] — His missiles have 5mm post holes, rather than 5mm posts. This means you can mount his missiles on mini-con ports or other similar 5mm posts.

[[Image:Anti-aircraftbase_multiconfig.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Blackout and shout!]]
* [[Cannon Transport]] with [[Terror-Tread]] & [[Cement-Head]] — Features the same 5mm compatibility as the Autobot Combiner Transports.
* [[Anti-Aircraft Base]] with [[Blackout (G1)|Blackout]] & [[Spaceshot]] — Is one of the most versatile 5mm-compatible toys of all time. All up the base features eight 5mm ports, seven 5mm posts and a variety of different accessories. The base's main guns are designed to peg onto 5mm posts so can be used with mini-con ports. The base's radar equipment and additional weapons are all designed with 5mm posts. Even the base's ramp features a 5mm port, rather than the limited 5mm post of the Micromaster Combiner Transports. The four 5mm posts on the base proper are hollow, also allowing them to be used as mini-con ports.

==UK Generation 1==
After Generation 1 ended in the US it continued in the UK unabated. Well, a little bit abated. It wasn't as big as it was. The UK line at first consisted of redecos of Japanese toys and Action Masters that hadn't made it to America. After that they continued to produce their own toys. Okay... but what does that have to do with 5mm pegs? Well, sadly, not much. The UK lines did not make extensive use of 5mm pegs, even when they really should have (we're looking at you, Predator jets). The compatibility of these toys is incredibly limited.

===1991===
The Action Masters from this year didn't use 5mm pegs at all, meaning that there were only three toys this year with 5mm pegs.

;AUTOBOTS
[[Image:Flame5mmdemo.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Ready for a Flame war!]]
*[[Flame (Motorvator)|Flame]], [[Gripper (G1)|Gripper]], [[Lightspeed (Motorvator)|Lightspeed]]. — The [[Motorvator]]s, being recycled Japanese toys, used 5mm pegs as standard for their weapons. Their weapons had two sets of pegs letting them be held as swords or guns.

===1992===
This year introduced the Turbomasters and Predators. Even though both sets of toys (who all have massive guns) would have benefitted from 5mm posts, only two toys out of the entire line have them.

;AUTOBOTS
*[[Rotorstorm (G1)|Rotorstorm]]

[[Image:Stalker_variousconfigs.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Stalk 'er? I hardly knew 'er.]]
;DECEPTICONS
*[[Stalker (G1)|Stalker]] — Unlike Rotorstorm his hands are not 5mm pegs. Instead the ports on his shoulders are 5mm pegs — his massive missile and his radar dish are on 5mm posts. His lack of 5mm hands is made up for by two screw holes on his wrists which are 5mm holes, allowing him to hold guns there.

===1993===
;AUTOBOTS
*[[Pyro (G1)|Pyro]]

;DECEPTICONS
*[[Clench (G1)|Clench]]
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==Japanese Generation 1==
There's not a lot to say about Japanese Generation 1. The main thing is that there are more Micromasters. More Micromasters means more 5mm pegs.

The first few lines that the Japanese marketed independently were mostly reuses of American moulds, with only a few differences. Basically if the American version can use 5mm pegs, so can the Japanese version. In these cases there's only a handful of toys that need pointing out as independent and unique but the overall line was generally a mess of 5mm pegs everywhere.

===Headmasters===
Most of this line was just American release toys repackaged. Basically all of them were 5mm compatible. Almost all of the moulds unique to the Japanese line were also 5mm compatible.

;CYBERTRONS
*[[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Stepper]] and [[Artfire (Headmasters)|Artfire]]. — Jazz and Inferno, two previously non-compatible toys, were retooled and redecoed in Headmasters and used as Targetmasters. Artfire's fists are expanded to allow him to hold his targetmaster gun [[Nightstick (Artfire)|Nightstick]]. Stepper meanwhile has Jazz's missile launcher replaced by a plug-in port to allow him to use his Targetmaster unit [[Nightstick (Ricochet)|Nebulon]] as a shoulder cannon.
*<strike>Billy</strike> <strike>Blaster</strike> [[Blaster (G1)|Twincast]] — Redeco and slight retool of G1 Blaster.

*[[Graphy]], [[Noise]], [[Dile]] and [[Saur]]
*[[Raiden]] — Like Devastator before him (well, sorta), Raiden can use 5mm weapons while his components cannot.

;DESTRONS
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundblaster]] — Redeco and slight retool of G1 Soundwave.

===Masterforce===
Again, Masterforce is almost entirely American moulds, but this time there's more redecos. There's a few retools, and a handful of new moulds too, with 5mm compatibility.

;CYBERTRONS
*[[Metalhawk]] — He's a Pretender. And what have we learned so far? That's right: Pretenders are 5mm compatible.

*[[Ginrai|Super Ginrai]] and [[Godbomber]] — Ginrai is a retool of Powermaster Optimus Prime, with brand new hands. Brand new retractable 5mm hands! (To replace his old unretractable 5mm hands!) Godbomber is designed to be compatible with Ginrai, to use his accessories and to merge with him, so he gets to be 5mm compatible too. Sweet.
*[[Grand Maximus]] — Fortress Maximus with a new deco and some new accessories. He's compatible with 5mm pegs in the same way as Fortress Maximus, and his new parts are mostly a Pretender shell with some extra weapons. Pretender shell? Well, we know what that means!

;DESTRONS
*[[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] — Does not have 5mm pegs for his hands, but has limited compatibility thanks to a handful of 5mm holes and some 5mm pegs on his smaller accessories. This toy was also released in Europe in 1992.
*[[Browning]] — As well as multiple sets of fists, Browning also has 5mm post holes on his shoulders for added shoulder cannon action.

*[[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]] — A retool of G1 Scorponok with a new robot mode head and some new weapons. He's 5mm compatible in the same ways as Scorponok, but with updated [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]] compatibility to boot.

===Victory===
Victory was radically different from the American toy line of the time. Most of the toys were unique to Japan, and most of them had 5mm compatibility to some extent.

;CYBERTRONS
*[[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]], [[Victory Leo]] and their combined form Victory Saber
*[[Blacker]], [[Laster]], [[Braver]] and their combined form [[Road Caesar]]
*[[Landcross (Victory)|Landcross]] — While the individual components are not generally 5mm compatible, Landcross has 5mm fists. Some of his components have 5mm holes on their vehicle modes for storing merge parts.
*[[Galaxy Shuttle]] — Dude's basically a Micromaster toy, of course he's 5mm compatible.

*[[Greatshot]] — A retool and redeco of Sixshot.

;DESTRONS
*[[Liokaiser]] — As with most every merge group, Liokaiser's fists are 5mm pegs. His individual components are mostly not 5mm compatible. [[Leozack]] has 5mm ports, and [[Guyhawk]] and [[Hellbat (Victory)|Hellbat]] have 5mm posts, used in merging. [[Killbison]]'s tank mode guns are on a 5mm plug, which becomes Liokaiser's hand-held weapons. None of these ports and plugs are particularly accessible or useful. Unless you want to give Leozack gun knees, which... who wouldn't want to?

*[[Dinoking]] — A redeco of Monstructor with new Pretender shells, he's 5mm compatible in exactly the same way.
*[[Black Shadow (Victory)|Black Shadow]] and [[Blue Bacchus]] — Retools and redecos of Crossblades and Thunderwing.

===Zone===
Zone is basically the Japanese equivalent of the American Micromasters line. Most of the toys were straight repackagings of the American releases, with basically no changes. The rest were either new Micromaster bases (with 5mm weapons) or redecos of American bases. 5mm compatibility had been more or less the norm for Japanese Generation 1, and Zone would cement their place with only the individual Micromasters not being fully 5mm compatible.

;CYBERTRONS
*[[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]], [[Sonic Bomber]], [[Roadfire|Road Fire]] and their merged form [[Big Powered]]
*[[Landshaker]] and [[Sky Hyper]] — Redecos of Groundshaker and Sky Hopper's bases with new pilots and the same ole weapons.

;DESTRONS
*[[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] — Dude, a crazy Decepticon redeco of Metroplex. Just as compatible with 5mm pegs as Metroplex ever was. But more blue.

===Return of Convoy===
[[Image:Microtrailer_versatility.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Is there nothing they can't do?!]]
Yup, Optimus Prime got a new toy this year. Yawn. What we're really interested in is two brand new concepts. First of all, all the Micromaster patrols were re-released this year, and packaged with brand new Micro Trailers. Secondly we were introduced to six-member Micromaster combiner teams which merge more traditionally than the American Micromaster combiners.

The Micro Trailers were simple launchers for the Micromasters, and there were (including the three packaged with the bulks from this year) 14 in all. From a 5mm compatibility point of view, these things are incredible. They're designed to combine, pegging into each other. The result is two hollow 5mm posts, and two 5mm ports on each little trailer. You can load them up with weapons, plug Mini-Cons into them or just have larger robots hold them as weapons. Just to add to it, they've got ports for American Micromaster Combiners to tow them with, connectors for Micromaster ramps, and a tab to let Sky Garry carry them. Interactivity? You freakin' bet.

The six member combiners are significant because they are the first (and to date '''only''') combiner teams to use 5mm pegs to connect actual robots together. The six Micromasters in each team combine around a frame that makes up the torso, head, and thighs of the robot. The shoulders of this frame use hollow 5mm pegs to connect its arms. It's significant because it means that the arm components for all the six member Micromaster combiners have large 5mm ports, allowing them to peg onto 5mm posts — like Mini-Con pegs, for example.

;CYBERTRONS
*[[Grandus (ROC)|Grandus]], [[Sky Garry (ROC)|Sky Garry]], and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Star Convoy]]
*[[Micro Trailer]]s #0 to 12, and Star Convoy's Micro Trailer.
[[Image:Micromerge5mmcompatibility.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]]
*[[Sixliner]] — Sixliner was the first of the six member Micromaster combiner teams. He had 5mm compatible fists, a 5mm compatible gun (with two hollow 5mm pegs on the side) and oddly enough 5mm compatible toes. His combiner parts can all become carriages for the train modes of his individual Micromasters. His main torso section has three hollow 5mm posts on it, allowing it to mount Mini-Cons, or to be held by larger robots as a strange gun (which you can then mount Mini-Cons on). Sixliner's arms, [[Leaf]] and [[Alan (ROC)|Alan]] connect to him via 5mm ports that can be used to peg them on any 5mm posts.

===Operation Combination===
The last gasp of Generation 1 in Japan. This line was a mish-mash of new moulds, redecos of old moulds and UK imports.

The most important part of the line from our point of view right now is the new six member Micromaster combiners. There was a retool of Sixliner, and 3 entirely new mould teams. The three new teams use a generic body frame which uses far more 5mm pegs than the Sixliner body. The head and feet, as well as the shoulders, now connect by 5mm posts. This new versatility meant that four members of the team, not just two, could peg onto 5mm posts. The parts of these new combiners could also merge into a jet — but if you merge them into a jet you can't use the parts as weapons for larger robots, and who wants that? No one.

;CYBERTRONS
*[[Sixturbo]] — His arms and legs, [[Circuit (OC)|Circuit]], [[Neo-Wheel]], [[Discharge]] and [[Sireen]] all have 5mm ports.
*[[Sixbuilder]] — His arms and legs, [[Digger]], [[Iron Lift]], [[Mixing]] and [[Treader]] all have 5mm ports.
*[[Sixwing]] — His arms and legs, [[Falcon (OC)|Falcon]], [[Flanker]], [[Raker]] and [[Supersonic]] all have 5mm ports.

*[[Guard City]] — A redeco, barely, of Generation 1 Defensor. Compatible in exactly the same way as the original mould.
*[[Sixtrain]] — A retool of Sixliner. His arms [[Atlan]] and [[Raise]] have 5mm ports.

;DESTRONS
*[[Battle Gaia]] — A redeco of Generation 1 Bruticus. Compatible in exactly the same way as the original mould.
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==Generation 2==
Come 1993 and ''Transformers'' was given a rebirth, both in the US (who hadn't had toys on the shelves since 1990) and in the rest of the world, called ''Generation 2''. This toyline was a mixture of vintage Generation 1 ''[[Diaclone]]''-based toys, redecos of toys released in the UK and later on a whole slew of brand new moulds created just for that line.

''Generation 2'' was only moderately 5mm-friendly. The old moulds retained their old compatibilities, and the new moulds tended to be much smaller toys that weren't able to have large fist holes. Still, there are a handful of new and interesting toys with 5mm compatibility, and many of them would go on to be prominent toys in later lines as well.

===1993===
;AUTOBOTS
*[[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#Generation_2|Optimus Prime]] — This toy is a redeco and retool of Generation 1 Optimus Prime. The main difference now is the addition of a voice pack with two 5mm post holes on it and the addition of two brand-new hand-held missile launchers with 5mm posts. This added versatility has basically never been carried forwards to other re-releases of the mould.
*[[Jazz_(G1)/toys#Generation_2|Jazz]] and [[Sideswipe_(G1)#Generation_2_2|Sideswipe]] — These two (redecos of the g1 toys) are NOT 5mm compatible, but their missile launchers have a double-post, making their '''guns''' 5mm compatible.

;DECEPTICONS
*[[Devastator_(G1)#Generation_2|Devastator]] — This toy was released twice in two different new decos, but it's still the same tooling as the Generation 1 toy with the same compatibilities.
*[[Ramjet_%28G1%29#Generation_2_2|Ramjet]] and [[Starscream_(G1)/toys#Generation_2|Starscream]] — Redecos of the Generation 1 toys with the same compatibilities. They also have new missile launchers (that actually launch!) and a new sound box, but neither of these really adds any new compatibility to the toys.
*[[Megatron_(G1)/toys#Generation_2|Megatron]] — This is the first new Gen2 exclusive mould created for the American toy line. It's also the first new mould with 5mm fists.

===1994===
;AUTOBOTS
*[[Superion_(G1)#Generation_2|Superion]] — A redeco of the Generation 1 toy, with the same very very limited compatibility, but with the added bonus of Gold Plastic Syndrome.
*[[Silverbolt_(G1)#Generation_2_2|Silverbolt]] — A redeco of the Generation 1 toy, unlike the original toy this Silverbolt is retooled to have 5mm post holes on his wings, for a pair of new missile launchers. Silverbolt's launchers are the same basic mould as those used by the Skyraiders, but were retooled to have a double-post so that Superion could hold them. Because he doesn't have 5mm fists. Because Superion is a poopy-head.

*[[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#Generation_2|Hero Optimus Prime]]
*[[Electro#Generation_2_2|Electro]] and [[Volt#Generation_2_2|Volt]].

;DECEPTICONS
*[[Bruticus_(G1)#Generation_2|Bruticus]] and the [[Combaticon_(G1)|Combaticons]] — A slightly retooled and extensively redecoed version of the original toy with the same basic compatibilities. [[Onslaught_(G1)#Generation_2_2|Onslaught]] also has a new missile launcher which is 5mm compatible.

*[[Megatron_(G1)/toys#Generation_2|Hero Megatron]]
*[[Sizzle_(G2)#Generation_2_2|Sizzle]] and [[Jolt_(G2)#Generation_2_2|Jolt]]

===1995===
The last year of ''Generation 2'' was getting more and more experimental, with toys with all kinds of different gimmicks, all kinds of brand new features. Unfortunately this year also saw a severe downsizing of the toys — smaller toys became the standard. That left room for only one toy this year with 5mm fists and accessories.

;AUTOBOTS
*[[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#Generation_2|Laser Optimus Prime]] — Probably because of a decided downturn in the ''size'' of individual toys in 1995, Laser Optimus Prime is the '''only''' toy this year with 5mm pegs. His sword, laser cannon, and missile launcher have 5mm handles.

==Beast Wars==
[[Image:Optimusprimal5mmposts.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Share and share alike.]]

After ''Generation 2'', 5mm posts took a pasting. Suddenly they just weren't standard any more. If ''Generation 2'' was experimental in its last days, then ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' was even more experimental. There were basically no singular standards for this line. Characters were completely self-contained play patterns, based around their animal modes. As the line evolved general gimmicks, again based on the aesthetics of the toy rather than their play pattern, began to dominate. The only place that 5mm post holes were generally universal were the larger scale Ultra toys who mostly featured 5mm hands.

Tolerances are a big issue with ''Beast Wars'' toys with 5mm posts, the following list is as comprehensive as it can be, but you might find you struggle to use the 5mm compatibility on some of your toys. In the testing phase different samples ranged from impossibly tight, to perfect, to really loose.

===1996===
;MAXIMALS
*[[Dinobot_(BW)#Toys|Dinobot]] — Dinobot's weapons and accessories and hands are all 5mm posts. This is great, seeing as this mould was released again, and again, and again. His famous [[Cyber-slash tail weapon|rotating blade]] weapon has a 5mm post hole in it that allows it to mount on a 5mm post on his dinosaur mode back. This is especially useful for mounting the tail weapon on his back in robot mode.
*[[Polar Claw]]
*[[Optimus_Primal/toys#Beast_Wars|Ultra Optimus Primal]]
*[[Wolfang (Maximal)|Wolfang]] Has 5mm screw holes in his robot back, and a non-screw 5mm hole in his head — these are almost useless. However, his waist kibble has [[Mini-Con]]-compatible pegs, as does the front of his shield.

===1997===
;MAXIMALS
*[[Grimlock_(G1)/toys#Beast_Wars|Grimlock]] — A [[redeco]] of the ''Beast Wars'' Dinobot mould with the same compatibility.
*[[Ironhide_(G1)/toys#Beast_Wars|Ironhide]] and [[Magnaboss#Beast_Wars|Magnaboss]] — [[Silverbolt (G1)#Beast Wars|Silverbolt]] and [[Prowl (G1)#Beast Wars|Prowl]] are not 5mm compatible, but Ironhide, Magnaboss' sword, and Magnaboss are. The small hollow pegs on Ironhide's elephant shell halves are ''not'' 5mm, but the size of the inner hole is such that they ''do'' grip Mini-Cons.
*[[B'Boom]]

;PREDACONS
* [[Ram Horn#Toys|Ram Horn]] and [[Tripredacus#Toys|Tripredacus]] — Ramhorn has 5mm hands, giving Tripredacus one 5mm hand too. The other members of the team are not 5mm compatible.
*[[Inferno (BW)#Toys|Inferno]]

===1998===
;MAXIMALS
*[[Cheetor (BW)/toys#Beast_Wars|Transmetal Cheetor]] — His fists are an unconventional shape, but hold 5mm weapons just fine.
*[[Optimus Primal/toys#Beast_Wars|Transmetal Optimus Primal]]
*[[Optimus Primal/toys#Beast_Wars|Optimal Optimus]] — While he doesn't have 5mm peg holes for his fists, he does have 5mm pegs on his wrists, (on angles, so their use is limited) and he ''does'' have hollow 5mm pegs (perfect for Mini-Cons) on his rifle! On his shoulders are a couple of other 5mm pegs too.

*[[Torca]]

;PREDACONS
*[[Megatron (BW)/toys#Beast_Wars|Transmetal Megatron]]
*[[Rampage (BW)#Beast_Wars|Transmetal Rampage]]
*[[Antagony (BW)#Beast_Wars|Botcon Antagony]]

===1999===
;MAXIMALS
*[[Optimus Minor#Toys|Optimus Minor]] — On his own, Optimus Minor is not 5mm compatible. However, his tail weapon uses two different 5mm pegs — one of which is hollow, perfect for Mini-Cons! The allows him to hold a Mini-Con in robot mode.
*[[Tigerhawk#Toys|Tigerhawk]]

;PREDACONS
*[[Megatron_(BW)/toys#Beast_Wars|Transmetal II Megatron]]

===Beast Wars II===
''[[Beast Wars II (toyline)|Beast Wars II]]'' was a Japanese only line capitalizing on the success of ''Beast Wars''. It's mostly a [[redeco]] line, with a handful of brand new toys or moulds. There's a bunch of old toys in this line with 5mm compatibility, and a few retools and redecos. There's only one new mould. Lio Convoy looks like he should have them, but his fists are actually a bit bigger than the 5mm standard.

[[Image:BWII-toy Autolauncher.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Autolauncher, a canceled ''Generation 2 toy.]]

;CYBERTRONS
*[[Lio Convoy]]
*[[Santon]] and [[Magnaboss]] — Redecos of Beast Wars Ironhide and Magnaboss.

;DESTRONS
*[[Autolauncher]]
*[[Megastorm]]
*[[Megastorm|Gigastorm]]
*[[Thrust (BWII)|Thrustor]]
*[[God Neptune]] — A redeco of the [[Seacon]]s minus [[Nautilator]], with most of the same 5mm compatibilities as the original group. They were released in a gift set, and also lacked the individual gun stands that the original Seacons had. Man... sucky.
*[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]]

===Beast Wars Neo===
;CYBERTRONS
*[[Big Convoy]] — Includes a 5mm peg-compatible Matrix.
*[[Longrack (BWN)|Longrack]]
*[[Break]] - 5mm peg under each wing to use him as a missile launcher
*[[Stampy (BWN)|Stampy]] - 5mm peg on his chest (with embossed Maximal symbol on the end) so his blade weapon mode can be held

;DESTRONS
*[[Hardhead_(BWN)|Hardhead]]
*[[Elephorca]]

==Beast Machines==
''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' saw the almost complete abandonment of the 5mm peg for its toys. The introduction of uniquely moulded hands and toys with few if any accessories meant that 5mm peg holes were no longer needed. In fact, in all of ''Beast Machines'', there is only one toy with deliberate 5mm peg holes for hands. There's others with 5mm screw holes or 5mm peg holes that can be used to make them compatible with older weapons, but for the most part, ''Beast Machines'' emphasized completely self-contained toys.

On the flip side, ''Beast Machines'' was one of the first'' Transformers'' lines to introduce vehicles and separately sold weapon-accessories for other toys, in the form of the [[Beast Rider]]s and [[Deployer]] assortments. These toys, while emphasizing interactivity with other toys, did so without the use of pegs.

===2000===
;VEHICONS
*[[Megatron_(BW)/toys#Beast_Machines|Megatron]] — The only toy in the entire line that's deliberately 5mm compatible, the Mega-sized Megatron toy has 5mm fists in robot mode.

==Robots in Disguise==
Unlike the much more focused and consistently designed ''Beast Machines'', ''[[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' was an absolute hodge-podge of a line. It used a combination of new moulds, vintage moulds, and contemporary redecos that saw toys from all over the place incorporated into the line. This was both good and bad for 5mm peg enthusiasts—mostly bad, since the majority of the redecos came from ''[[Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bot]]s or ''Beast Wars'' and ''Beast Machines'' toys.

The handful of brand new toys in the line didn't really emphasize interactivity through compatibility of accessories. Instead they emphasized interactivity through figure combination. Still, there's a handful of stuff there worthy of inclusion here.

===2001===
;AUTOBOTS
*[[Wedge#Toys|Wedge]], [[Heavy Load (RID)#Toys|Heavy Load]], [[Hightower (RID)#Toys|Hightower]], [[Grimlock (RID)#Toys|Grimlock]] and [[Landfill (RID)#Toys|Landfill]] — Grimlock is the only member of the team lacking 5mm fists, but fortunately he makes up for it in combined form where he forms a part with 5mm compatible hands (well, claws) for Landfill. In fact all of Landfill's configurations are 5mm compatible. Woo!

*[[Optimus Prime (RID)#Toys|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (RID)#Toys|Ultra Magnus]] — Both use 5mm posts extensively. Only the smaller, non-super-mode Prime actually has 5mm FISTS. Prime's super mode lacks 5mm fists, or fists at all. Omega Prime's and Ultra Magnus's hands do have 5mm holes on the palms, and Magnus's thumbs have 5mm posts. Prime is also covered in a bunch of hollow 5mm posts that can be used as mini-con ports, and both have 5mm posts and holes out the wazoo.

;DECEPTICONS/PREDACONS
*[[Ruination (RID)#Toys|Ruination]] — Ruination is a [[redeco]] and slight [[retool]] of the Generation 1 [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]]s. Initially, in ''Robots in Disguise'', all five components were released separately, though later on they were released only as gift sets. The main difference to the moulds is that the Combaticons' weapons were retooled so they could create two super weapons for Ruination. These super weapons are 5mm compatible.
*[[Megatron (RID)#Toys|Megatron]] and [[Megatron (RID)|Galvatron]]

===2002===
;DECEPTICONS/PREDACONS
*[[Cryotek (RID)#Toys|Cryotek]] — A redeco of ''Beast Wars'' [[Megatron (BW)/toys#TM2|Transmetal 2 Megatron]], has 5mm fists just the same.
*[[Scourge (RID)#Toys|Scourge]] — A redeco of ''Generation 2'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#LaserOptimusPrime|Laser Optimus Prime]] with all his compatibilities.

===2003===
;AUTOBOTS
*[[Landfill (RID)|Landfill]] — Same compatibilities as ever, but now in yellow! Plus, it's a gift set!

;DECEPTICONS
*[[Scourge (RID)#Destructicon|Destructicon Scourge]] — A redeco of ''Generation 2'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#HeroOptimusPrime|Hero Optimus Prime]].
*[[Bludgeon (RID)|Destructicon Bludgeon]] — A redeco of ''Generation 2'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Hero|Hero Megatron]].
*[[Ruination (RID)#UrbanCamo|Ruination]] — Same as before, but now more urban! And in a gift set!

==Armada==
For 5mm peg addicts, the Unicron Trilogy was a godsend. It was the first Transformers toyline not only to feature 5mm pegs as standard on nearly every single toy, but also to advertise this interactivity. It's all down to one thing: Mini-Cons. Mini-Cons and their contribution are covered a bit earlier in this article, but it's important here to mention their... well...importance.

Mini-Cons each came with a 5mm peg hole, with a smaller (1mm?) peg imbedded inside it. Mini-Cons could then plug onto hollow (but NOT solid) 5mm pegs, usually referred to as Mini-Con hardpoints. Some of these hardpoints included small triggers which were pushed down by the smaller peg inside the Mini-Con's 5mm post hole. This activated gimmicks on the larger toys, and is why the Mini-Con don't simply have 5mm post holes.

The inclusion of Mini-Cons as a set of figures compatible with all larger Armada figures saw an overnight change. Suddenly 5mm pegs were the standard again and all but the roleplay toys in the Armada line have 5mm pegs. However, carrying on from Beast Machines and Beast Wars, many Armada toys had unique or oddly moulded hands, which is madness when you have add on weapons with 5mm pegs and lots of the toys can't hold them. 5mm fists would not make their complete comeback until Energon.

===2003===
;MINI-CONS
The Mini-Cons are all 5mm-compatible in the same way: All Mini-Cons can peg onto '''any''' hollow 5mm pegs. Specific toys that can use them which aren't part of the Unicron trilogy are discussed all through this article, including RiD Optimus Prime, the Micromaster Anti-Aircraft Base, and Beast Wars K-9. Listed below are specific Mini-Cons with unique 5mm compatibilities not covered by straightforward Powerlinking.

*[[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]] and [[Run-Over]] — Transform into guns with 5mm-compatible handles.
*[[Rollout (Armada)|Rollout]] — He has a 5mm-compatible trailer hitch that can be used as a Mini-Con port, allowing other Mini-Cons to peg onto him!
*[[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]] and [[Clench (Armada)|Clench]] — Both have 5mm-thick arms, allowing them to become 5mm-compatible guns.

*[[Sonar (Armada)|Sonar]] and the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]] — The Air Defence Team merges to become the Star Saber sword. The sword can be held by any toys with 5mm fists or pegged onto Mini-Con compatible posts. Of the three members of the team, only Sonar has an extra feature. He has a 5mm post accessible mostly in shuttle mode, allowing him to be held in other figures' hands (as well as allowing him to be the base of the Star Saber sword).
*[[Maverick]] and the [[Vorpal Saber|Dark Saber]]

*[[Prowl (Armada)|Prowl]] — Prowl transforms into a 5mm-compatible gun.

*[[Dirt Boss (Armada)|Dirt Boss]] and the [[Skyboom (Armada)|Skyboom Shield]] — The Race Mini-Con Team merge into an enormous shield designed for use with larger toys with 5mm-compatible fists. Dirt Boss has a 5mm-compatible head because of this. Yeah, you heard right, his head is a 5mm post.

*[[Payload (Armada)|Payload]], [[Sky Blast]] and the [[Requiem Blaster (Armada)|Requiem Blaster]] — The Space Team merge into the Requiem Blaster, a super-gun meant for use by toys with 5mm-compatible fists. Payload has the 5mm peg that becomes the handle for the blaster, so he can be hand-held. Sky Blast also has a 5mm peg, this one hollow so that you can mount other Mini-cons on top of the Requiem Blaster and power it up even MORE. Yeah. Insane, right? It also means Sky Blast can be hand-held or merge with Energon weapons, etc.

* [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]] — In skateboard mode, he has a Mini-Con compatible peg on top of him, allowing other Mini-cons to be plugged into him.

;AUTOBOTS
*[[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]], [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] and [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Hoist]] — None of these three moulds sport 5mm hands. Smokescreen has a 5mm screw hole on his arms just below his fists which can be used as a kind of 5mm fist, but neither Blurr nor Hoist have 5mm fists at all. Smokescreen even came in a boxset with the [[Skyboom (Armada)|Skyboom Shield]] in Japan and he can't hold it!
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Powerlinx Hot Shot]], and [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]] — All feature standard 5mm fists. Side Swipe even has a 5mm-compatible gun. In Japan, Hot Shot was given an LED in one hand to allow him to light up 5mm-compatible translucent weapons.

*[[Airazor (Armada)|Airazor]], [[Cheetor (Armada)|Cheetor]], and [[Rhinox (Armada)|Rhinox]] — Three redecos of Beast Wars toys, they were retooled so they would have Mini-Con hardpoints. They were not retooled to have 5mm compatible fists, however, so neither Rhinox nor Airazor can use 5mm-compatible weapons. Cheetor still can, though.

*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] and [[Red Alert (Armada)|Powerlinx Red Alert]] — Red Alert is 5mm compatible out the wazoo. He has Mini-Con pegs all over, plus a 5mm fist, a 5mm port on his shoulder for shoulder cannons, a 5mm compatible rifle... oh yeah, and interchangeable tool hands which plug in using a 5mm peg.
*[[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] — He doesn't have 5mm-compatible hands. But he does have big, stompy feet, so we forgive him.
*[[Overload (Armada)|Overload]], [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetfire (Armada)|Powerlinx Jetfire]] — Both moulds have 5mm fists, though Overload's are very limited due to his enormously high wrists. Overload also has a 5mm-compatible port as his trailer hitch so he can be towed by Optimus Prime or his Mini-Con.

*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Supercon Optimus Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Super Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Powerlinx Optimus Prime]] — Both the large and small Optimus Prime toys have 5mm fists. Even in his Super Mode, Prime has 5mm fists. The hitch used to pull Prime's trailer is a 5mm post, shared by both the large and small versions of the toys. This means that the small Prime can pull the larger toy's trailer, or either of them can pull Armada Overload. You can also use this hitch as a mount for 5mm compatible weapons.

;DECEPTICONS
*[[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]], [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Powerlinx Cyclonus]], [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], [[Demolishor (Armada)|Powerlinx Demolishor]], [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Thrust (Armada)|Powerlinx Thrust]] — Do not have 5mm compatible fists. They do have plenty of Mini-Con ports, though.

*[[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]] — The only Supercon Decepticon with 5mm-compatible fists. He also has missiles that he uses as clubs (well, in the fiction he uses them as guns...sorta...), and they're 5mm compatible too.

*[[Nemesis Prime (Armada)|Nemesis Prime]] — A redeco of Supercon Optimus Prime. He has all the same compatibilities, including being able to pull the Super Prime's trailer.

*[[Terrorsaur (Armada)|Terrorsaur]] — A redeco and retool of Beast Wars Transmetal Terrorsaur. The retooling gives him Mini-Con pegs, but not 5mm-compatible fists.
*[[Predacon (Armada)|Predacon]] — A redeco and retool of Beast Wars TM Megatron. Like the original version of the mould, he has 5mm fists and a 5mm tail weapon, but now he also sports four brand new Mini-Con pegs.

*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] and [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] — All have 5mm hands in addition to their Mini-Con pegs.

*[[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] — Doesn't have 5mm fists, even if he is loaded with an unbelievable number of Mini-Con ports.

*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]] — They traded useless knees for unreasonable numbers of Mini-Con hardpoints. Their insane number of Mini-Con pegs makes them one of the most 5mm compatible moulds in history. The toy is perfect for overloading with weapons in either robot or tank mode, and in robot mode, he even gets a 5mm-compatible fist (only the one, because the other hand is concealing a knife).

*[[Unicron]] - In total, the planet-eater has 27 Mini-Con-compatible pegs in planet mode and 30 in robot mode — 32 if you count the two conveniently shaped pegs on the back of his right hand. Of those, 24 are situated on his wings/planet ring.

==Energon==
[[Image:Energonweapon_demo_001.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Now his shot's 6 times as hot!]]
With ''Transformers Energon'', the 5mm golden age continued. Mini-Cons were dropped in favour of a return to the basic price point, but Energon figures still retained their 5mm compatibility and their Mini-Con hardpoints. The line introduced new translucent weapons called energon weapons. The energon weapons were versatile, often multi-part weapons which frequently had both traditional 5mm posts and ports and Mini-Con-style 5mm posts and ports. They could be mounted on Mini-Con pegs, used to activate Mini-Con gimmicks on Armada toys, and merged together to create insanely over-the-top super weapons.

There were two distinct types of energon weapons. There were the multi-part accessories packed with the Omnicons, which often had 3 or 4 distinct components. Strictly speaking these (and a few weapons of larger toys) were the weapons advertised officially as [[Energon weapon]]s. There were also the more static and traditional rifles and missile launchers packed with the larger ''Energon'' toys, even these weapons usually still had multiple posts and ports, including Mini-Con posts and ports, allowing them to be merged with other Energon weapons. As the series progressed, a third type of energon weapon was added: the multi-configuration weapons included with the Energon quintro-combiners, which were designed to be feet and hands for the large ''Energon'' combiner robots, as well as weapons for the component robots.

''Energon'' was really the first Transformers toy line to emphasise and advertise swapping and trading weapons as a pattern of play, despite the fact that Transformers toy lines had been capable of this play pattern since nearly the beginning. Over in Japan, this was emphasised even more with energon weapons from Omnibots given away, sold as separate units, or included as bonuses with redecos.

===2004===
;MINI-CONS
Not many Mini-Cons were produced during ''Energon''. There was only one entirely new team and a handful of redecos. They are all 5mm-compatible, as is standard for Mini-Cons. Those Mini-Cons of special interest are listed below.

*[[Skyboom (Energon)|Skyboom]] and the [[Energon Saber]] — Retooled from Armada's Star Saber, they have the same basic compatibilities.
*[[Knock Out (Energon)|Knock Out]] — A redeco of Armada Rollout with all the same compatibilities.
*[[Payload (Armada)|Payload]], [[Sky Blast]] and the [[Requiem Blaster (Armada)|Requiem Blaster]] — A redeco of the Requiem Blaster from Armada, with the same basic compatibilities.

;AUTOBOTS
The listing below describes, for the most part, the individual robots. Keep in mind that each toy also came with a gun, usually a transluscent energon weapon with multiple ports and pegs, and even Mini-con compatibility. Even toys without Mini-con plugs of their own often had them on their guns.

* The Omnicons, [[Offshoot (Energon)|Offshoot]], [[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]], [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]], [[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]], and his redeco [[Strongarm (Energon)|Energon Strongarm]] — The Omnicons were Basic-sized toys, the first toys featured at this price point to have 5mm fists. Each came with an energon weapon, as described above, made up of several components, and an energon star meant to fit over spark crystal of ''Energon'' toys.

*[[Arcee (Energon)|Arcee]] — Arcee is the only Omnicon without 5mm fists. She has 5mm post holes in her arms meant to stand in for 5mm fists, but her actual hands are eenie-weenie.

*[[Sky Shadow (Energon)|Sky Shadow]], [[Treadshot (Energon)|Treadshot]], [[Terradive (Energon)|Terradive]] and [[Windrazor (Energon)|Windrazor]] — The limb components of Superion Maximus. They had standard 5mm compatibility and unique transformable energon weapons that became "hands" and "feet" for Superion Maximus.

*[[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]] — Downshift features a spoiler that becomes a unique platform for holding both his guns or any other energon weapons.
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Energon Hot Shot]] and [[Prowl (Energon)|Prowl]]
*[[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]], [[Roadblock (Energon)|Roadblock]] and [[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]] — In addition to standard ''Energon'' compatibility, these toys retain the Mini-Con ports from ''Transformers: Armada''. Rodimus has one, Inferno and Roadblock each have two.
*[[Tow-Line (Energon)|Tow-Line]] — Unlike the other Combat-Class ''Energon'' toys, Tow-Line was actually made up of two components which combine to form his vehicle mode, a robot and a battle platform. The robot is fairly standard for Energon toys, with many post holes for 5mm weapons of all sorts, some of them in rather unusual places. The battle platform in particular, though, is basically designed as a showcase for Energon weapons, making a perfect platform for building insane or over-the-top energon weapon combinations.

*[[Beachcomber (Energon)|Beachcomber]] and [[Cliffjumper (Energon)|Cliffjumper]] — This mould has a Mini-con port on its shoulder pad. Unlike most other ''Energon'' Autobots their weapons, while 5mm compatible, are not designed after the ''Energon'' weapon style. They don't have any extra posts or ports, and aren't made of translucent plastics. They're just simple hand-held guns.
*[[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] and [[Ironhide (Energon)|Energon Ironhide]] — One of a handful of ''Energon'' moulds without its own hand-held rifle. Has a Mini-Con port on his right forearm.
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Overcast (Energon)|Overcast]] — The Mini-Con ports on their shuttle mode become their toes in robot mode so... uhhh... good luck with that. The rifle that comes with this mould, despite being translucent is effective not an Energon weapon. It has two gun posts, but no other compatibility. It may have been intended to, though. On top of the rifle is a piece of moulding that looks exactly like a Mini-Con post, including their unique base... but it's teeny tiny and undersized.

*[[Treadbolt]] — A redeco of ''Armada'' Scavenger with all his compatibilities.
*[[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] — He has no hand-held rifle, but he does have a Mini-Con port on his left forearm.

*[[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]] and [[Quickstrike (Energon)|Quickstrike]], [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] and [[Landquake (Energon)|Landquake]] — Both these moulds are littered with 5mm ports and pegs. The Bulkhead mould also has a Mini-Con peg on his helicopter tail, while the Landmine mould has two Mini-Con ports on his large cannon for his Brute mode.

*[[Ultra Magnus (Energon)|Ultra Magnus]] — A redeco of ''Armada'' Overload.

*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]] — Prime has 4 Mini-Con pegs in vehicle mode: 2 on his trailer, and 2 on his cab. In robot mode his trailer becomes a base and is still Mini-Con compatible, but the Mini-Con ports are hidden in Prime's robot mode, sadly. Prime's gun is just a standard rifle, not an energon weapon.
*[[Omega Sentinel (Energon)|Omega Sentinel]] and [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] — This mould has 4 Mini-Con ports on his shoulders, front and back, and a handful of 5mm posts. Still, considering its size it's not enormously versatile at using 5mm compatible weapons.

;DECEPTICONS
*[[Battle Ravage]], [[Command Ravage]], [[Cruellock]], [[Doom-Lock]] and [[Insecticon (Energon)|Insecticon]] — All the Energon Terrorcons have 5mm fists as standard. In addition to his Energon weapon Ravage also has a tail mace.
*[[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb]] — Divebomb's wing-mounted weapons come in two variants. The first variant has only one 5mm post on the base of the two-part weapon. The second variant was retooled to have two posts, one at either end of his weapon.

*[[Bonecrusher (Energon)|Bonecrusher]], [[Duststorm (Energon)|Duststorm]], [[Sledge (Energon)|Sledge]], and [[Wideload (Energon)|Wideload]] — The limbs of Constructicon Maximus. Each of them has 5mm fists as standard. The Duststorm/Wideload mould also has a Mini-Con peg on its crane arm.
*[[Steamhammer (Energon)|Steamhammer]] — Steamhammer loves Mini-Cons. In both robot and vehicle modes he has 5 Mini-Con posts. That's a lot, even for an Armada toy, allowing him to hold a partner Mini-Con, an entire Mini-Con team and have one left over for an Energon weapon. Too bad he doesn't have a Mini-Con partner. (Oh yeah, he's got a bunch of 5mm post holes too.)
*[[Constructicon Maximus]] — He retains six Mini-Con pegs, four from Steamhammer and two from Dust Storm and Wideload, though Steamhammer's aren't particularly accessible. He doesn't have 5mm peg hole hands.

*[[Blackout (combiner)|Blackout]], [[Stormcloud (Energon)|Stormcloud]] — This mould has two 5mm posts on each arm in robot mode.
*[[Blight (Energon)|Blight]], [[Kickback (Energon)|Kickback]] — The tank mould technically has three Mini-con ports on his weapon, though only one is accessible in vehicle mode, and in robot mode one of them has to form the handle for the gun. In pratical terms you're probably only going to get one Mini-con on there.
*[[Barricade (Energon)|Barricade]] — Barricade likes Mini-cons too, but not as much as Steamhammer. He's got three Mini-con posts in robot mode and two in vehicle mode.
*[[Bruticus Maximus (Energon)|Bruticus Maximus]] — Thanks to Barricade he has two Mini-con ports on his thighs. He doesn't have 5mm post holes for hands, but he does have Mini-con ports on his thumbs when using the tank as an arm, or on his heels if using the tank as a leg.

*[[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] — In addition to his 5mm fists he has four Mini-con posts, though generally speaking only two are accessible in either mode. Because the posts are on a hinged piece it is possible to expose and use all four at once. His missiles can also fit into his hands, but aren't particularly effective because he holds them at about the mid-point on the missile.
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] and [[Starscream (Armada)|Energon Starscream]] — Based conceptually on the G2 Smokescreen mould, unlike that mould Starscream is highly 5mm compatible. He has a crazy Energon weapon, with multiple configurations and mini-con ports, so the gun section of the weapon can be used a Mini-con. He has Mini-con pegs on his wings that are accessible in both modes. Oh yeah, and the heads of his missiles are 5mm, so he can use them as swords if he gets tired of his giant Energon sword.
*[[Rapid Run (Energon)|Rapid Run]] — A redeco of Armada Sideways.
*[[Sharkticon (Energon)|Sharkticon]], [[Slugslinger (Energon)|Slugslinger]], [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Snow Cat]] — In addition to 5mm fists, they all have Mini-con ports on the kibble on their forearms. Snow Cat only has a port on his left arm.

*[[Dreadwing (Energon)|Dreadwing]] and [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Mirage]] — This mould loves 5mm pegs. Including fists each arm has three 5mm peg holes, as well as a Mini-con port. The toy's missiles are also 5mm wide, letting him hold them as swords. Oh yeah, and he has 5mm posts on the insides of his knees.
*[[Shockblast]] and [[Six Shot]] — Doesn't have traditional hands, but has plenty of 5mm post holes.

*[[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] — Doesn't have traditional hands, but has plenty of 5mm post holes. Has some very inaccessible Mini-con pegs on the missile launchers on his claws.
*[[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] — An awesome redeco of Armada Tidal Wave.

*[[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] — This same basic design was released twice at two different size scales. They're all 5mm compatible. The larger version has 6 Mini-con ports in jet mode, and two in robot mode. His tank accessory also has

*[[Alpha Quintesson]] — While he doesn't transform, Alpha Quintesson is positively brimming with 5mm posts. He has a 5mm post missile launcher too.

==Cybertron==
While ''Transformers Cybertron'' continued the widespread 5mm compatibility seen in ''Armada'' and ''Energon'', it was in a more low-key form, as the central gimmick of [[Cyber Key]]s had nothing to do with 5mm posts whatsoever. Mini-Con ports became rare again, though not unheard of — the focus was now almost entirely on weapons.

===2005===
;MINI-CONS
Mini-Cons were rare at the beginning of Cybertron, consisting of [[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] and the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]]. As time went on, however, the line introduced a few more teams, a series of Mini-Con two-packs redecoed from ''Armada'' and ''Energon'' molds, and an assortment of Mini-Cons both old and new as pack-in bonuses. Naturally, these all retained standard Powerlinking capability; listed below are Mini-Cons with additional abilities beyond that.

* [[Checkpoint (Cybertron)|Checkpoint]], [[Stripmine]], and [[Deepdive]] — Each of these Mini-Cons sports a 5mm post. Stripmine and Deepdive's posts are hollow.
* [[Scrap Iron (Cybertron)|Scrap Iron]], [[Backblast]], and [[Blastcharge (Cybertron)|Blastcharge]] — Another redeco of the Requiem Blaster, with everything that implies.
* [[Downshift (Armada)|Downshift]], [[Dirt Boss (Armada)|Dirt Boss]], and [[Mirage (Armada)|Mirage]] — Redecoes of the Race Team, with all the same compatibility.

;AUTOBOTS
* [[Vector Prime]] — He is from an earlier, apparently ''Armada''-esque age and his form reflects that. He is here to sport multiple Mini-Con posts, 5mm fistholes, and a 5mm-compatible sword. He is not here to blend.
* [[Longrack (Cybertron)|Longrack]] — A retooled ''Armada'' [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Hoist]], Longrack still sports a 5mm post. ([[Blurr (Cybertron)|Blurr]] does not.)
* [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] — Has one 5mm hand, and one gun-hand which is a 5mm post, with "hammer" and "claw" attachments that fit on the end.
* [[Clocker (Cybertron)|Clocker]], [[Swerve (Cybertron)|Swerve]] — Clocker has a 5mm gun (with two pegs, side by side) and fists to hold it... and also has dual ''exhaust pipe'' accessories that attach (to the undersides of his fists, actually) using hollow 5mm posts.
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], [[Excellion (Cybertron)|Excellion]], [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]], [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]], [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]], [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]], Override GTS, [[Armorhide (Cybertron)|Armorhide]], [[Brakedown (Cybertron)|Brakedown]], Brakedown GTS, [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]], [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreen]], [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]] — All feature 5mm weapons, fists, and vehicle mode mounting points.
* [[Hightail (Cybertron)|Hightail]] — His <s>trombone</s> gun has a 5mm post, and he has the fists to hold it.
* [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]], [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] — Though they lack any handheld weapons of their own, these toys have 5mm fists.
* [[Quickmix (Cybertron)|Quickmix]], [[Cybertron Defense Team|Cybertron Defense]] Hot Shot, Cybertron Defense Red Alert, and Cybertron Defense Scattorshot — Quickmix and all three members of the Cybertron Defense Team have 5mm-compatible fists and accessories, and bear hollow 5mm posts for mounting Mini-Cons.
* [[Metroplex (Cybertron)|Metroplex]] — Metroplex is ''covered'' in hollow 5mm posts, with a total of 14.
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (Deluxe [[Trukk not munky|trukk]]) — A redeco of the ''Armada'' Super-Con Optimus Prime mold with the same functionality. Instead of Over-Run, he includes a special Cyber Key that has the same hole-with-a-post as a Mini-Con, making it capable of attaching to any hollow 5mm post.
* Optimus Prime and [[Ultra Magnus (Cybertron)|Ultra Magnus]] — Redecoes of the ''Robots in Disguise'' versions, with all that that implies.

;DECEPTICONS
* [[Buzzsaw (Cybertron)|Buzzsaw]] and [[Runamuck (Cybertron)|Runamuck]] — Retooled versions of ''Armada'' Cyclonus and Sideswipe. Buzzsaw retains most of Cyclonus's compatibility, but has lost the posts on his missile launchers. Runamuck, meanwhile, has lost Sideswipe's accessories in favor of a new 5mm gun.
* [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], Galvatron, [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]], Ransack GTS, [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], [[Hardtop (Cybertron)|Hardtop]], [[Swindle (Cybertron)|Swindle]], [[Lugnutz]], and [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]] — All these figures have 5mm hands and weapons.
* [[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]], Dark Crumplezone, [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]], [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]], [[Dirt Boss (Cybertron)|Dirt Boss]], [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]], and [[Brushguard]] — These figures have 5mm hands, though they include no compatible accessories.
* [[Scorponok (Energon)|Dark Scorponok]] — A retooled Scorponok that retains the ''Energon'' toy's features and adds Cyber Key compatibility.
* [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] — Like Arcee before her, Thunderblast's hands are too small and girly for 5mm holes, so she has them further up on her forearms instead. Her weapon is 5mm-compatible.
* [[Menasor (Cybertron)|Menasor]] — Like Metroplex, Menasor likes Mini-Cons.
* [[Cannonball (Cybertron)|Cannonball]] — A redeco of Red Alert with the same compatibility.
* [[Scrapmetal (Cybertron individual)|Scrap]][[Scrapmetal (race)|metal]] — All Scrapmetals have 5mm fists, and in an undocumented feature, their flip-out blades can be hand-held.
* [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] — A redeco of ''Armada'' Demolishor with the same features. Instead of Blackout, he includes a Cyber Key with a Mini-Con-style 5mm hole on the back, similar to the deluxe Optimus Prime's.

;OTHER
* [[Primus]] — Like Unicron before him, Primus sports an assortment of hollow 5mm posts. His total is far lower (nine), but in Primus's defense, most of Unicron's are on his ring.
* [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] and [[Unicron]] — Both feature 5mm fists and accessories.

==Classics==
''Classics'' brought back many old ''Transformers'' characters with new toys, and most of those toys were 5mm compatible. It also introduced yet more Mini-Cons, though hollow 5mm posts are few and far between in ''Classics.''

==''Transformers'' (2007)==
The live-action movie toyline mostly eschewed the use of the 5mm system, in part because the integrated nature of the characters' weapons meant a low number of handheld accessories overall. Nevertheless, the reuse of various molds from the previous few years ensured that 5mm posts continued to appear.

==Animated==
''Transformers Animated'' had few 5mm-compatible toys, but they existed.

===2008===
;AUTOBOTS
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Cybertron Mode Optimus Prime]] - His axe and shield have 5mm posts, and therefore his hands are also compatible with them.
* Voyager Class Optimus Prime - Both his axe and his water gun use the standard 5mm posts, and therefore his hands are also compatible.
* The Battle Begins Optimus Prime - His axe uses the 5mm post for its handle, and his hands are compatible with them... as is the hole in his buttocks.
* [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] - His hands are open with a 5mm groove in them to hold such accessories.
* [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] - Both his shield and lance sport 5mm posts, and his hands are compatible. However, the fingers are sculpted with a gap over the 5mm holes, so accessories with smaller posts can only be held from the bottom of his hands.
;DECEPTICONS
* [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] - The inside of his robot mode hands sport 5mm posts, which can also double as a Mini-Con port. His mace also has a 5mm hole in it.
* [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] — Appropriately enough, Swindle is equipped with a large cannon on a 5mm post, and has two 5mm holes with which to use it.
* [[Megatron (Animated)|Leader Class Megatron]] - His swords are mounted on 5mm handles, and his hands therefore sport 5mm holes.
* Shadow Blade Megatron - Being a redeco of Leader Class Megatron, he carries over the same 5mm compatibility.
* [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] - His gun/crane uses a 5mm post, so the holes in his forearms and back are compatible with other weapons.

===2009===
;AUTOBOTS
* Freeway Jazz - Being a redeco of Jazz, he shares the same 5mm-holed hands.
;DECEPTICONS
* Atomic Lugnut - Being a redeco of Lugnut, Atomic Lugnut sports the same posts in his hands, and the same hole on his mace.
* Shockwave Vs. Bumblebee - The Shockwave in this pack, being a redeco of the previous Shockwave, has the same post/ports.

===2010===
;AUTOBOTS
* [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] - Arcee's hands can hold 5mm post weapons. However, her weapons are slightly thicker. This resulted in many a broken thumb.
* [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus Minor]] - The tabs on his bow are 5mm wide.

===2011===
;AUTOBOTS
* [[Minerva (Animated)|Minerva]] - Being a redeco of Arcee, she shares the same 5mm-holed hands. But continue to be careful with her slaggin' thumbs!
* [[Sideswipe (Animated)|Sideswipe]] - Being a redeco of Breakdown, Sideswipe shares the 5mm bow tabs.
;DECEPTICONS
* [[Dead End (Animated)|Dead End]] - Being a redeco of Jazz, he shares the same 5mm-holed hands.
* [[Drag Strip (Animated)|Drag Strip]] - Being a redeco of Arcee, she shares the same 5mm-holed hands. But continue to be careful with the swords!
* [[The Motor Master|Motormaster]] - Being a retool of Voyager Class Optimus Prime, his axe and cannon use the same 5mm posts, and the hands use the same 5mm holes.
* [[Toxitron (Animated)|Toxitron]] - Being a redeco of Voyager Class Optimus Prime, his axe and cannon use the same 5mm posts, and the hands use the same 5mm holes.
* [[Breakdown (Animated)|Breakdown]] - Being a retool of Rodimus Minor, Breakdown shares the same 5mm tabs on his bow.

==Universe (2008)==
Following in the footsteps of ''Classics'', ''Universe'' toys nearly always featured 5mm fists and accessories.

==Revenge of the Fallen==
The toys for the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie initially returned to the design principles of the previous live-action movie, but in time, 5mm accessories began to creep back in. This line also introduced an alternate system of interchangeable accessories, the [[C joint]].

==Generations==
Once again, ''Generations'' typically followed the example of ''Classics'' and ''Universe,'' featuring widespread 5mm compatibility.

==Power Core Combiners==
Much like ''Armada'' and ''Energon'', ''Power Core Combiners'' heavily emphasized compatibility between different toys. The main focus of the line, the "combination" suggested by the title, was a series of "Commander" figures who could combine with interchangeable drone vehicles in a fashion similar to the [[Special Teams]]. Commanders were sold either with sets of drones or in smaller packs with Mini-Cons. These Mini-Cons were also designed to have weapon modes, using 5mm posts, and as such 5mm fists proliferated. The Commander figures also featured hollow 5mm posts for mounting the Mini-Cons, and the drones all featured hollow 5mm posts as well, leading to [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CombinatorialExplosion insanity].

===2010===
;MINI-CONS

In additional to the usual capabilities of Mini-Cons, every ''PCC'' Mini-Con has at least one 5mm post, usually hollow, which enables it to be handheld. Special cases are listed below.

* [[Chopster]], [[Razorbeam]] — The axe Mini-Cons unfortunately have a narrower segment below the 5mm grip, similar to double-posted weapons, and as such they cannot be held by toys with shallower fist holes (ironically including [[Darkstream]]). The post is also solid, so it can only connect to empty 5mm holes.
* [[Backwind]], [[Beacon (PCC)|Beacon]], and [[Pinpoint]] — These three have empty 5mm holes rather than the usual Mini-Con ports. This prevents them from activating Powerlinx gimmicks, but allows them to attach to ordinary 5mm posts, not just hollow ones.

;AUTOBOTS
* [[Skyburst]] — One hollow post on his back, and shallow 5mm fists.
** [[Aerialbot (PCC)|Aerialbots]] — All four drones have hollow 5mm posts on the top, though the Fighter Jet's is not really useful in combined mode. The helicopters' posts are on top of their rotors, and as such any Mini-Cons or weapons attached there will spin freely.
* [[Huffer (PCC)|Huffer]] — For unknown reasons, Huffer has fist holes, but they are far too small to hold 5mm posts. He has a hollow 5mm post on his right forearm to make up for this, and another flip-out post on his chest.
* [[Searchlight (PCC)|Searchlight]] — Searchlight is absurdly 5mm-compatible for a toy of his size. In addition to the usual 5mm fists, he has 5mm holes in the sides of his forearms, meant for attaching his vehicle mode rotors. He also has the flip-out hollow chest post typical of ''PCC'' Commander molds originating in two-packs, and a second hollow post on what becomes the underside of his cockpit in vehicle mode. As implied by the forearm holes, his rotors are separate accessories that can connect to any 5mm peghole (including the one on Backwind's chest).
* [[Double Clutch (PCC)|Double Clutch]] — He has a single hollow post on a hinged panel, which is normally concealed in most modes but can be folded out. For holding weapons he has sideways holes on the inside of his forearms, which are awkward in robot mode but can be used more effectively as shoulder weapon mounts in his torso mode. They're shallow, but with their positioning you probably wouldn't want to give him Chopster anyway.
** [[Rallybot]]s — Each Rallybot has a hollow post that can fold away, located on the rear bumper of the Race Car and on top of the others. Interestingly, the Street Racer reveals a ''second'' post in leg mode, which is necessary since the vehicle-mode post ends up on the bottom of the foot.
* [[Leadfoot (PCC)|Leadfoot]] — Like Double Clutch, Leadfoot has sideways forearm holes instead of fists. Unlike Double Clutch and basically everyone else ever, both of his hollow posts are flip-out posts for chest armor, one (normally concealed under his windshield) for his robot chest and one for his combined chest. Both can be used in vehicle mode as well.
* [[Stakeout (PCC)|Stakeout]] — A redeco of Smolder with the same features.
** [[Protectobot (PCC)|Protectobots]] — Redecos of two Aerialbots (Chopper and Fighter Jet) and two Combaticons (APC and Tank).
* [[Steelshot]] — A redeco of Bombshock with the same features.
* [[Grimstone]] — Grimstone has shallow fists and a single 5mm post on his ''tail'' (in robot mode, his back).
** [[Dinobot (PCC)|Dinobots]] — The ''Parasaurolophus'' drone has two side-mounted Mini-Con posts. The others are more or less standard.
* [[Heavytread (PCC)|Heavytread]] — In addition to the usual flip-out chest post and 5mm hands (irregularly-shaped but usable), Heavytread has a 5mm peghole on top of his vehicle mode near the forward right corner. This hole is usable in all three modes, ending up approximately on his wrist in robot mode.
* [[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]] — A redeco of Mudslinger with the same compatibility. Since he has 5mm fists, [[Bomb-Burst (PCC)|Bomb-Burst]] gets the official weapon mode that's technically a fanmode on Chainclaw.

;DECEPTICONS
* [[Bombshock (PCC)|Bombshock]] — Bombshock has two hollow posts quite close to each other: one is on top of his turret (ending up on the back of his torso mode head), while the other is between his cannons. Both end up on his back in robot mode, in varying configurations depending on how his kibble is arranged. Like his wavemate Skyburst, he has shallow 5mm fists, so no axes for him.
** [[Combaticon (PCC)|Combaticons]] — All four drones have top-mounted posts which are accessible in both modes, though because of the APC's transformation, Mini-Cons attached to it in combined mode will appear to extend from the robot's knee.
* [[Smolder]] - Smolder has 5mm fists, and a flip-out hollow 5mm post on his chest. He has a second hollow post on the roof of his vehicle mode, which in his other modes ends up in an awkward but usable position on the back (robot mode) or front (torso mode) of his right shoulder.
* [[Mudslinger (PCC)|Mudslinger]] - Mudslinger has a 5mm post near the back of his vehicle mode, accessible in all three modes... which ends up on the front of his left knee in robot mode, and the ''inside'' of his right knee in torso mode. Good luck making use of that. At least he has 5mm fists.
** [[Destructicon (PCC)|Destructicons]] — All four Destructicons have top-mounted posts that remain accessible in limb mode. The Heavy Hauler's post can fold away like those of the Rallybots.
* [[Icepick (PCC)|Icepick]] — Oddly enough for the ''PCC'' line, Icepick has no 5mm pegholes at all, with the effect that [[Chainclaw (PCC)|Chainclaw's]] 5mm weapon mode was omitted from the instructions. His compatibility consists of a hollow 5mm post on his right shoulder and a fold-out one on his chest, both usable in all three modes.
* [[Sledge (PCC)|Sledge]] — Like his wavemates, Sledge is odd: he has shallow wrist holes (this time located ''under'' his forearms) instead of fists, and unlike his fellow two-pack-originated Commanders, he has no flip-out posts at all (maybe Leadfoot stole his?). Instead he has a single hollow post on his chest that serves all three modes, and another on his shovel.
* [[Crankcase (Movie)|Crankcase]] — A redeco of Huffer with the same abilities.
** [[Destron (PCC)|Destrons]] — Redecos of two Aerialbots (Recon Plane and Combat Helicopter) and two Combaticons (Missile Carrier and Armored Car).
* [[Darkstream]] — A redeco of Skyburst, incapable of any interaction with Razorbeam other than wearing him on his back.
* [[Windburn]] — A redeco of Searchlight, retaining his capabilities.
* [[Steamhammer (PCC)|Steamhammer]] — Steamhammer is unusual among five-pack-originated Commanders: his torso mode has a hollow 5mm post on his chest! This post is basically inaccessible in his other modes, so he has a second one on his roof, which in robot mode is on a block hanging awkwardly from his elbow.
** [[Constructicon (PCC)|Constructicons]] — The Constructicons' posts are all well-placed, with no particular unusual qualities.
* [[Skyhammer (PCC)|Skyhammer]] —
* [[Over-Run (PCC)|Over-Run]] — A redeco of Leadfoot with the same abilities.
** [[Stunticon (PCC)|Stunticons]] — Redecos of two Rallybots (Race Car and Tuner) and two Destructicons (Armored Truck and Armored Junker).
* [[Undertow (PCC)|Undertow]] — Similar to Sledge, Undertow has one fixed hollow 5mm post, accessible in all modes.

==Transformers (2010)==
The [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]] continued to make widespread use of 5mm posts and holes (though perhaps not as widespread as some previous lines). [[C joint]]s proliferated as well, leading to a veritable golden age of interchangeable weapons.

==Dark of the Moon==
[[Image:Ironhide-MechTechWeaponsCombo-5mmPost.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Ya feelin' lucky, pardner?]]
When it came to ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'', the smaller and larger [[size class]]es were respectively split between the [[Cyberverse]] and [[MechTech]] brandings. While C joint compatibility was further established between the two, the 5mm post absolutely ''flourished''.

Nearly all of the MechTech toys use 5mm posts for their MechTech weapons, with the line also emulating the [[Stealth Force]] [[attack mode]]s that were featured in the [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|film]]. As a result, the toys come with a ''very'' large number of ports, hidden or otherwise, for the weapons to peg into for each figure. The larger figures even have MechTech ports on the ''weapons themselves'', and the [[packaging]] blurb encourages the user to create "new weapons" by combining then.

This line also introduced a minor innovation: self-covering pegholes. Many MechTech toys have 5mm holes that contain circular plugs on springs. Inserting a weapon handle depresses the plug; when the weapon is removed, the spring pushes it back up to sit flush with surrounding panels.

Each of the Cyberverse "Action Sets" also contains at least a single, large, removable, spring-loaded (but not always [[missile]]-firing) weapon integrated into the set itself, allowing interchangeability between the weapons of both Cyberverse Action Sets and MechTech figures. The Cyberverse [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]], in particular, features ''six'' weapons (one functional) that are mounted via 5mm posts and holes.

==Transformers Prime==
[[Image:ArmsMicronPackin-TakTomSite.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Arms Microns can be combined into some truly ridiculous weapons.]]

The [[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Transformers Prime Toyline]] use 5mm pegs and ports for most of its weapons.

The Japanese version of the line takes this to a higher level though, with the "[[Arms Micron]]" play-pattern. All non-[[Cyberverse]] toys in the line have been [[retool]]ed to include several extra 5mm sockets, and include a snap-together Mini-Con partner that transforms into some form of weapon. There are also numerous Arms Microns sold as individuals. The Microns have multiple 5mm posts and sockets, and can be combined to form "Combo Weapons" like the [[Nebula Scythe]], and "Super Combo Weapons" like the [[Star Saber (Arms Micron)|Star Saber]] and the [[Galaxy Launcher]].

==Notes==
*Due to [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[Brave (franchise)|Brave]]'' series toys sharing many of the same designers from the latter days of G1, a great many of the figures utilize 5mm weaponry pegs. This, of course, can give even the smallest 5mm compatible Transformer the ability to carry 5" chrome swords and gigantic guns of [[Burning justice|Burning Justice]].
*The 5mm post/hole system is also used extensively by companies such as Bandai and Tomy. The Machine Robo Rescue (not to be confused with the trademark-interfering [[Machine Robot Rescue]]), Mugenbine and Zoid Blox lines all utilize it.
*While [[Wikipedia:Lego|LEGO]] toys do not make use of 5mm posts in and of themselves, they frequently use a style of hollow connector pin that coincidentally fits snugly into 5mm holes. [http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/2780 One particularly common part] consists entirely of two such pins back-to-back, making it a workable add-on handle if you want your Mini-Cons to be hand-held.

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[[Category:Toys]]

File:TF atari.jpg

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JohnnyMrNinja: uploaded a new version of "Image:TF atari.jpg": higher-quality version

The US-release cover of Atari Melbourne House's Transformers video game.

Powerlinx

2012-06-13T22:12:46Z

JohnnyMrNinja: /* Energon */ What happens between a robot and a consenting vehicle is none of our business.

:''Powerlinx is a technology from the [[Unicron Trilogy]].''
[[Image:Linkage5-PreEarth.jpg|right|270px|thumb|]]
'''Powerlinx''' is a technology that allows [[Transformer]]s to combine together in order to become more powerful.

==Fiction==
{{picsneeded|Pictures of powerlinked Transformers}}
===Armada===
The [[Mini-Con]]s are small Transformers that Powerlink with normal-sized Transformers, which they call "[[Bulk]]s". Once Powerlinked, the Transformer gains extra power and weaponry. Because of their utility, the Mini-Cons are highly sought after by both [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s. Whichever side collects the most could potentially win the war.

===Energon===
====Cartoon continuity====
[[Image:Optimus Prime combining with Fire-1.jpg|right|thumb|What happens between a robot and a consenting vehicle is none of our business.]]
Powerlinxing is an ability given to some of the Transformers by [[Primus]] through the gift of [[Spark of Combination|Sparks of Combination]]. This allows the Autobots to combine with each other to become more powerful. Just receiving a Spark of Combination doesn't automatically make someone an expert at it, however. It takes practice and the partners have to learn to synchronize their breathing.{{storylink|Megatron's Sword}}

There are four types of Powerlinxing:
#Similarly-sized Autobots can Powerlinx together with one forming the top half and one forming the bottom. The combined form is called by the name of the Autobot serving as the top half. By all appearances, the personality of the bottom-half Autobot is completely absent.
#[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] is able to Powerlinx with his [[Prime Force]] drones, [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]], and [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]], forming a [[Optimus Prime Super Modes|super mode]]. Optimus Prime remains himself and is still called "Optimus Prime", but Omega Supreme can continue to communicate with him. This may be because his head, [[Omega Supreme (Energon)#Omega|Omega]] is stored in his shoulder.
#Some Autobots can Powerlink with parts of their [[alternate mode]] to form a [[brute mode]].
#The guardians of the [[Super Energon Temple]] are super robots formed by teams of five Transformers Powerlinxed together. However, the limb Transformers don't appear to have individual personalities.

====Comics continuity====
{{stub}}

==Toys==
===Armada===
Mini-Cons had Powerlinx ports—circular 5mm holes with single plastic pins at their centers—that could plug into appropriate Powerlinx hardpoints (hollow [[5mm post]]s) on the larger Transformers figures. All of the ''Armada'' toys, Deluxe class and upwards, had at least one "active" hardpoint that, when a Mini-Con figure was attached, would activate some kind of [[gimmick]]. The majority of other Powerlinx ports on figures were "dead"—sculpted details not linked to any gimmick, simply there for attaching Mini-Cons. Some of the [[Size class|larger toys, such as Super Base]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], Gigacon [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron/Galvatron]] and [[Unicron]] had several active Powerlinx ports linked to different gimmicks.

===Energon===
Powerlinx was no longer associated with Mini-Cons and larger robots linking together, but with the Autobots (Combat/Deluxe class and upwards) combining with one another or with some auxiliary drones that were packaged with them to create larger robot toys. Combat/Deluxe and Mega Combat/Voyager class Autobot toys could combine with one another, Commanders/Ultra class Autobots could only combine with whatever auxiliary unit was included in their package, while the Leader class Optimus Prime could combine with his included [[Prime Force]] drones, the Mega Combat class [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] and the Supreme class [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]].

Toys came with different color Powerlinx symbols to indicate how they combine:
* [[Image:Energon Powerlinx symbol.png|25px]] Used by Optimus Prime and his partners.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Gold symbol.png|25px]] Used by Mega-sized Transformers who can combine with fellow Mega- and Deluxe-sized Transformers.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Silver symbol.png|25px]] Used by Deluxe-sized Transformers who can combine with fellow Deluxe- and Mega-sized Transformers.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Red symbol.png|25px]] Used by Ultra-sized Transformers, who can combine with additional vehicle mode parts to form a [[brute mode]].

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Blue symbol.png|25px]] Used by the [[Air Team]], the [[Construction Team]], and the [[Destruction Team]].
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==Notes==
*[[Cyber Planet Key]]s do not Powerlinx. Well, except [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor's]]. And deluxe [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime's]].
* The Energon Autobots' Powerlinx feature recycles a gimmick originally used by the [[Multiforce]].

==References==
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[[Category:Technology]]

File:Optimus Prime combining with Fire-1.jpg

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JohnnyMrNinja: {{Energoncap|Screen capture showing Fire-1 powerlinxing with Optimus Prime.|The New Cybertron City|5|eptitle=The New Cybertron City}}

{{Energoncap|Screen capture showing [[Fire-1]] [[powerlinx]]ing with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]].|The New Cybertron City|5|eptitle=The New Cybertron City}}

Prime Force

2012-06-13T22:07:51Z

JohnnyMrNinja: /* Energon cartoon */ Many early battles were won through synchronized swimming.

:''The Prime Force is a team of [[drone]]s from the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:PrimeForce in Trailer.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Thunderbirds are go!]]

The '''Prime Force''' is a group of drones under the control of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]. They are kept in Optimus's [[trailer]] until Optimus calls upon them to go out on their own or to [[powerlinx]] with him to form a [[Super Mode]].

The Prime Force consists of:

* The fire truck '''Fire-1'''
* The helicopter '''Copter-2'''
* The drill tank '''Digger-3'''
* The submarine '''Submarine-4'''

==Fiction==
===''Energon'' comic===

In tapping the power of [[Sig-Omega]], Optimus Prime developed the [[Spark of Combination]] and with it, his Prime Force. Dubbed Optimus-1 through Optimus-4, these drones merged with Prime to give him a Super Mode powerful enough to temporarily drive off [[Unicron's Four Horsemen]]. {{storylink|What Lies Beneath, Part Two}} Optimus brought his trunk full of dangers to Earth for a battle with the [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]]s. The Prime Force drones helped the Autobots catch their enemies with firepower from multiple directions until Optimus Prime engaged the Terrorcon leader [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] in personal combat, and combined with his drones to form Super Mode. {{storylink|What Lies Beneath, Part Three}} They remained in Prime's employ during the rest of the battle with the Terrorcons as well. {{storylink|What Lies Beneath, Part Four}}

Optimus-4 was later seen exploring the waters outside of [[Ocean City]]. {{storylink|Omni-Potent}}

===''Energon'' cartoon===
[[Image:Optimus and PrimeForce combining.jpg|thumb|right|Many early battles were won through synchronized swimming.]]
Optimus Prime deployed the Prime Force to defend [[Ocean City]] from [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]]s. They worked independently for a while before Optimus powerlinxed with them. They destroyed many enemies. {{storylink|Cybertron City (episode)|Cybertron City}}

Later, Optimus Prime powerlinxed with the Prime Force in a battle against [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]]. As Optimus ran low on [[energon]], he launched the Prime Force at Scorponok. Scorponok trashed them with [[Energon Sword|Megatron's sword]]. {{storylink|Megatron's Sword}}

[[Rad White]] and [[Brian Jones (Energon)|Brian Jones]] repaired and upgraded the Prime Force in their lab. {{storylink|The New Cybertron City}}

[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] lured Optimus Prime to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] for a battle. Super Mode Optimus launched Copter-2 at Starscream, but Starscream soon obliterated it. Optimus was left to fight with one arm for a while until launching the remaining three drones. Starscream easily dispatched them as well. {{storylink|Starscream the Mysterious Mercenary}}

The Prime Force returned (without explanation) and powerlinxed with Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Battle of the Asteroid Belt}}

Super Mode Optimus launched Copter-2 to keep an eye on Kicker. Copter-2 rescued Kicker from an energy wave. {{storylink|Kicker Beware!}}

Optimus Prime used Copter-2 to make an aerial survey of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Alpha Q: Identity}}

Inside [[Unicron]], Optimus and his team of Autobots were pinned down on their way to confront Megatron. Optimus launched Copter-2 to scout ahead, but the drone quickly took a hit and was taken out of action. The Autobots, including the remaining drones, transformed into vehicle modes and headed deeper into Unicron. The Autobots were stopped by a huge crevasse until Megatron used the power of Unicron to create a staircase and challenge Optimus to face him. As he started up the stairs, super mode Optimus Prime was ambushed by [[Shockblast]], who blasted Fire-1 and Submarine-4 to pieces. The Autobots had no choice but to leave the injured Optimus Prime behind until his [[energon star]] healed his wounds. {{storylink|Open Fire!}} When he was ready, Optimus Prime reverted to normal mode, leaving the remains of the Prime Force behind. He soon met up with [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]], who served as his new power-up. Later, after a confrontation with Megatron, the Autobots retreated from Unicron, presumably leaving the Prime Force inside. {{storylink|Ripped Up Space}}

Much later, [[Kicker Jones|Kicker]] and a team of Autobots were on Cybertron looking for his family when he got word that Optimus Prime was hurt and in trouble. He sent [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] to an industrial complex to pick up something to help Optimus.

Optimus Prime and Wing Saber were pinned down by [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]] and some of his Decepticons when the Prime force appeared and attacked. Omega Supreme had brought them as reinforcements. Optimus Prime seemed surprised to see them. Optimus Prime Powerlinked with them to form his Super Mode. After fighting for a while, he disengaged from the Prime Force to Powerlinx with Wing Saber. Optimus Prime then used the Prime Force in "Meteor Attack Mode" which involved using the Prime Force to blast Galvatron with beams of energy. {{storylink|Decepticon Army}}

While a [[Unicron]]-enhanced Optimus Prime was fighting a Unicron-enhanced Galvatron, Omega Supreme and the Prime Force appeared out of nowhere to powerlink with Optimus Prime. He used the Prime Force to perform a "trans-final impact attack", which involved shooting the energized Prime Force at Galvatron. {{storylink|Spark (episode)|Spark}}

==Toys==
===Energon===
[[Image:Energon Prime toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|''Form feet and''—no, used that. ''It's [[Johnny Yong Bosch|Morphin]]'''—naah. Uh, give us a sec...]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Super, 2003, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SC-01'''
**''Accessories'': Trailer, rifle, missile

: The Prime Force was included with ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' Optimus's first toy.

: Optimus's trailer is designed to carry his four drone-vehicles (the "Grand Force" in Japan): '''Fire-1''' (fire truck), '''Copter-2''' (helicopter), '''Digger-3''' (drill tank with gear-wheel-activated spinning drill), and '''Submarine-4''' (submarine). Each of these drones can attach to one of Optimus's limbs to form a variety of super modes (a combination the Japanese line dubbed "Grand Cross"). The base robot can also combine with ''Energon'' [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] to form '''"Optimus Prime Fight Mode"''' and '''"Optimus Prime Flight Mode"''', and [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] to form '''"Optimus Supreme"''' (or '''"Powerlinx Omega Supreme"''', according to the toy packaging). The Omega Supreme combination can also employ the drone-units.

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Grand Force''' (グランドフォース ''Gurando Fōsu'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Főerő'''

[[Category:Autobot subgroups]]
[[Category:Drones]]
[[Category:Energon franchise]]

File:Optimus and PrimeForce combining.jpg

2012-06-13T22:05:01Z

JohnnyMrNinja: {{Energoncap|Screen capture showing the Prime Force preparing to powerlinx with Optimus Prime (center). Clockwise from top left: Fire-1, Copter-2, Submarine-4, and Digger-3.|The New Cybertron City|5|eptitle=The New Cyber

{{Energoncap|Screen capture showing the [[Prime Force]] preparing to [[powerlinx]] with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (center). Clockwise from top left: Fire-1, Copter-2, Submarine-4, and Digger-3.|The New Cybertron City|5|eptitle=The New Cybertron City}}

Powerlinx

2012-06-13T20:00:37Z

JohnnyMrNinja: /* Cartoon continuity */ {{storylink|Megatron's Sword}}

:''Powerlinx is a technology from the [[Unicron Trilogy]].''
[[Image:Linkage5-PreEarth.jpg|right|270px|thumb|]]
'''Powerlinx''' is a technology that allows [[Transformer]]s to combine together in order to become more powerful.

==Fiction==
{{picsneeded|Pictures of powerlinked Transformers}}
===Armada===
The [[Mini-Con]]s are small Transformers that Powerlink with normal-sized Transformers, which they call "[[Bulk]]s". Once Powerlinked, the Transformer gains extra power and weaponry. Because of their utility, the Mini-Cons are highly sought after by both [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s. Whichever side collects the most could potentially win the war.

===Energon===
====Cartoon continuity====
Powerlinxing is an ability given to some of the Transformers by [[Primus]] through the gift of [[Spark of Combination|Sparks of Combination]]. This allows the Autobots to combine with each other to become more powerful. Just receiving a Spark of Combination doesn't automatically make someone an expert at it, however. It takes practice and the partners have to learn to synchronize their breathing.{{storylink|Megatron's Sword}}

There are four types of Powerlinxing:
#Similarly-sized Autobots can Powerlinx together with one forming the top half and one forming the bottom. The combined form is called by the name of the Autobot serving as the top half. By all appearances, the personality of the bottom-half Autobot is completely absent.
#[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] is able to Powerlinx with his [[Prime Force]] drones, [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]], and [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]], forming a [[Optimus Prime Super Modes|super mode]]. Optimus Prime remains himself and is still called "Optimus Prime", but Omega Supreme can continue to communicate with him. This may be because his head, [[Omega Supreme (Energon)#Omega|Omega]] is stored in his shoulder.
#Some Autobots can Powerlink with parts of their [[alternate mode]] to form a [[brute mode]].
#The guardians of the [[Super Energon Temple]] are super robots formed by teams of five Transformers Powerlinxed together. However, the limb Transformers don't appear to have individual personalities.

====Comics continuity====
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==Toys==
===Armada===
Mini-Cons had Powerlinx ports—circular 5mm holes with single plastic pins at their centers—that could plug into appropriate Powerlinx hardpoints (hollow [[5mm post]]s) on the larger Transformers figures. All of the ''Armada'' toys, Deluxe class and upwards, had at least one "active" hardpoint that, when a Mini-Con figure was attached, would activate some kind of [[gimmick]]. The majority of other Powerlinx ports on figures were "dead"—sculpted details not linked to any gimmick, simply there for attaching Mini-Cons. Some of the [[Size class|larger toys, such as Super Base]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], Gigacon [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron/Galvatron]] and [[Unicron]] had several active Powerlinx ports linked to different gimmicks.

===Energon===
Powerlinx was no longer associated with Mini-Cons and larger robots linking together, but with the Autobots (Combat/Deluxe class and upwards) combining with one another or with some auxiliary drones that were packaged with them to create larger robot toys. Combat/Deluxe and Mega Combat/Voyager class Autobot toys could combine with one another, Commanders/Ultra class Autobots could only combine with whatever auxiliary unit was included in their package, while the Leader class Optimus Prime could combine with his included [[Prime Force]] drones, the Mega Combat class [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] and the Supreme class [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]].

Toys came with different color Powerlinx symbols to indicate how they combine:
* [[Image:Energon Powerlinx symbol.png|25px]] Used by Optimus Prime and his partners.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Gold symbol.png|25px]] Used by Mega-sized Transformers who can combine with fellow Mega- and Deluxe-sized Transformers.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Silver symbol.png|25px]] Used by Deluxe-sized Transformers who can combine with fellow Deluxe- and Mega-sized Transformers.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Red symbol.png|25px]] Used by Ultra-sized Transformers, who can combine with additional vehicle mode parts to form a [[brute mode]].

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Blue symbol.png|25px]] Used by the [[Air Team]], the [[Construction Team]], and the [[Destruction Team]].
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==Notes==
*[[Cyber Planet Key]]s do not Powerlinx. Well, except [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor's]]. And deluxe [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime's]].
* The Energon Autobots' Powerlinx feature recycles a gimmick originally used by the [[Multiforce]].

==References==
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[[Category:Gimmicks]]
[[Category:Technology]]

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2012-06-10T09:22:59Z

JohnnyMrNinja: /* Squirrel or sugar glider */ Thanks

Congrats to [[User: RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] for some the best giggles I've gotten from a caption since the cumulative effect from Depth Charge's character page.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 04:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== Squirrel or sugar glider ==
Based on the name, I would have assumed this was a sugar glider; both flying squirrels and sugar gliders glide, both are nocturnal. Also they look very similar, and the toy (as a Transmetal 2) is very stylized so it's hard to tell based on that. Is there a source that specifies? Is this sort of info in the sourcebook? [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 17:34, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
:His [http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/attach/4/0/5/9/7/BWbasicTM2Nightglider_1268232371.jpg toy packing] identifies him as a flying squirrel. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:20, 10 June 2012 (EDT)
::Ok, thanks. TFU doesn't list the beast mode for toys, so I didn't know if it is explicitly mentioned on the boxes. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 05:22, 10 June 2012 (EDT)

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:''Night Glider is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:IDW Night Glider.jpg|right|250px|thumb|A shadowy flight into the dangerous world of a man who does not exist.]]
'''Night Glider''' thrives in darkness. Being a spy, his nocturnal lifestyle and loner attitude serve him well. Although he is used to working alone, he is extremely loyal to the Maximals. Such loyalty, however, is something he is not convinced all Maximals share. He constantly questions other Maximals' true allegiance, even if he has known them for dozens of Stellar Cycles. As such, though his allegiance to the Maximal cause itself is unwavering, he is prone to double, and even triple cross his individual Maximals on a regular basis. He can never truly trust what they might plan to do with the information he has gathered, after all.

==Fiction==
===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===
Night Glider was one of the [[protoforms]] jettisoned from the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' on prehistoric [[Earth]]. He was activated and put in chronal phase by [[Razorbeast]] at [[Magmatron]]'s request, but was protected from Magmatron's [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] shell-program by Razorbeast's viral code. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 1|The Gathering #1}}

Accompanied by [[Air Hammer]], [[Sonar (BW)|Sonar]], and [[Prowl II|Prowl]], Night Glider sped towards Razorbeast and the small group of new Maximals accompanying him. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 2|The Gathering #2}} He and a phalanx of other Maximals finally reached them, just in time to fight off an army of Predacons. In the ensuing battle, Night Glider battled [[Insecticon (BW)|Insecticon]]. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 4|The Gathering #4}}

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
[[Image:Night Glider Transmetal.jpg|right|thumb|Squirrel + wings = flying squirrel]]
*'''Night Glider''' (Basic [[Transmetal 2]], 1999)

:Night Glider transforms into an orange Transmetal 2 flying squirrel. A sword is hidden inside the tail. The mold was later [[Redeco|redecoed]] into ''[[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Dark Scream]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Maximal/Nightglider/nightglider.htm More information on Nightglider at TFU.info]''

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JohnnyMrNinja: ''Beast Wars'' Night Glider's toy. Sourced to [http://www.flickr.com/photos/megabee/1993959754/sizes/l/in/photostream/ this image] and [http://www.flickr.com/photos/megabee/1993959728/sizes/l/in/photostream/ this image]. {{fairuse}} {{C}} [http://ww

''Beast Wars'' [[Night Glider]]'s toy. Sourced to [http://www.flickr.com/photos/megabee/1993959754/sizes/l/in/photostream/ this image] and [http://www.flickr.com/photos/megabee/1993959728/sizes/l/in/photostream/ this image].

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{{C}} [http://www.flickr.com/photos/megabee/ Megabee] at Flickr.

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Talk:Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!

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JohnnyMrNinja: /* Is this really the best title? */ that was aimed at me and the title I chose

Were thbey called 'Matrices of Leadership'? I know A convoy gets a matrixcx upon achieving the rank of Hyperconvoy, but was this actual term ever used? Proper-noun-like? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Not really, but in the Japanese language there is no such thing as plurals. "Matrices" is the plural for "Matrix", right? So I was trying to go with proper English. I *want* to write an article for the Japanese Beast Wars era Matrix system, but we can't settle on what to call it. They were called "Matrix of Leadership", but since they weren't THE Matrix of Leadership, the admins don't want that info in the Matrix of Leadership article. So what should I call it? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

They're a [[Leadership Matrix]]. ; ) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

You win this round. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

==RUN, you fools!==
It's "run" in the movie. It's "fly" in the book. They're both correct. Ergo we default to what the original editor wanted, said editor being [[User:Derik]], unless he pops up to say otherwise. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:I'm no LOTR fan by any stretch of the imagination. I don't know from nothing. But a quick google shows me that there's actually quite a bit of debate over whether or not he says "fly" or "run" in the movie. It's been pointed out to me that the ''script'' for the movie says "fly"... - ''McFeely, not signed in''
::Well I'll be damned, you're right. It's hard to distinguish, but [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GavYHXylPVc he actually does say "fly"]. I AM DISHONORED! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Reverted Deletion==
Dear Interrobang,

Please don't just delete whole subsections like that, which someone (me) has obviously put some time into writing, quote-transcribing and fact-checking. If you think it is incorrect, or lacks merit, fine. But when it's a substantial little chunk of contribution, I think it would at least be polite to raise the issue first rather than just unilaterally vanishing it, don't you?

As to the issue at hand, I think your assessment that the BWII catalogue is noncanon is debatable. It's been included in the Beast Wars Megs article for ages with no notes to that effect. If you have additional information which supports your claim to noncanon (and really, what in Japan ''is'' noncanon these days?), please include it in the relevant article, and discuss it here.

Regarding the messy Japanese timeline... well, ditto, basically. The point of the section I wrote it that it is thoroughly unclear WHICH Megatron the Predacons were searching for. Unless you have some new information to add, I don't see the basis for your deletion.

If you feel you have a reasonable justification, please outline it here. In the meantime, I have reverted your deletion, as well as the brief one you removed from G1 Megs' article.

[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 06:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

:For goodness sake, you just deleted it again! Will you please be a grown-up and discuss this?

:For starters, you are asserting that this is all on the basis of the catalogue: IT ISN'T. If you watch the movie it is genuinely ambiguous as to which Megatron they're talking about, even if you completely ignore the catalogue. On that basis alone it merits inculsion.

:Some reasonable discussion next time, if you ''please''.

:[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 06:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

::The issue is that you're making an entire section of pointless filler when "Whether Galvatron meant Generation 1 or ''Beast Wars'' Megatron is unknown." was more than sufficient enough. You then proceeded to push your opinion that G1 Megatron ''was'' intended because of a toy catalog that was so obscure that they either ignored or overlooked it when putting ''Beast Wars II'' thousands of years after ''Beast Wars'' in the official timeline.

::You "putting some time" in it is irrelevant. The only concern is whether it's appropriate, which is isn't.

::Amusing how you insist me to be "a grow-up", though. Please don't pretend that you're better than me, certainly not when you're edit warring over a section that was entirely your creation. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 06:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

::: ''Sigh''. Yes, I'm sure I'm terribly amusing, thank you. Your sarcasm is equally chucklesome, I'm sure. Your hostility, however, leaves me merely disappointed. I'm wasn't implying anything about being "better" than you; I don't even know you. So please don't put words in my mouth. Furthermore, I have never attempted to disguise the fact that I am defending my own contribution. Surely is permissible, is it not? My only serious objection to your behaviour was your immediate reversion of my restoration, without even the politeness of first discussing it in the appropriate forum (here), especially considering I'd explicitly invited you to do so.

:::Anyway, you and I are obviously heading into a complete discussional brick-wall situation here. Anyone else care to contribute or venture an opinion?

:::P.S. I would be prepared to (grudgingly) make the concession of shortening the section, including the removal of the last sentence which speculates about G1 Megs' weapon-mode, but I still don't agree that the whole subsection is irrelevant to the point of requiring deletion. Let's not forget which wiki we're on here, shall we?

:::P.P.S. I'm also still befuddled by your wholesale rejection of the catalogue fiction. It seems to me that actually quite a bit of Japanese canon is derived from minor magazine, text and packaging mini-fiction sources that would be considered apocryphal in the U.S. but count over there. I still don't see you offering any proof to back up your assertion that it is noncanon.

:::And, again, it has been featured in BW Megs' page for quite some time without objection... Anyone else have an opinion on this?

:::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 06:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

::::Aaaaand now you've done it again, deleting it all and replacing it with one sentence. Charming. Anyone seeing a pattern here?

::::Here's an idea: How about we both leave it alone until some ''other'' people have two seconds to bring their opinons to the issue? Some manners wouldn't go astray either, might I add.

::::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 07:05, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::My point regarding the catalog is that A) it evidently doesn't matter to the Japanese or they wouldn't have put ''Beast Wars II'' in a later era (thus making it noncanon in that regard; as in, not part of continuity), so why should it matter in this case? And B) even if it's part of continuity, it doesn't rule out BW Megatron. It's a Japanese children's cartoon. It's not there to abide to something drummed up by marketers to sell toys (L@@K!!! Galvatron beat up Megatron! Buy his toy to bask in the awesomeness!). Beyond the catalog, your section has nothing but "maybe BW or maybe G1".

:::::I'm sorry you feel incredible offense that your edits are being undone or changed, but this is a ''wiki''. Everything is allowed to be edited by whether other editors see fit. If a new edit is contested, the answer generally is not to redo it over and over and insult the supposed maturity of the guy deleting it. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 07:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::Pacci{{m-}} don't just keep reverting something someone else keeps reverting. Either try to bring your edits in line with the dissenting editor to form a consensus, or try and bring in other opinions to help form a consensus. This sectionw as much too long for the subject it addressed, I've trimmed it.
::::::Interrobang- the 'BW2 and Neo are much later' thing is a retcon dating from 2007. Lots of ''other'' stuff published when BW2 was originally in production fits BW2 occurring at the same time ''much'' better. The canon says what it says- and when it contradicts itself you don't get to use the retcon to just dismiss the existence of the old understanding. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Goddamnit. The point is that we have no way of knowing the movie's writers knew or cared about a ''toy catalog''. The guys who made the timeline obviously didn't, despite even more obscure shit making it in. Do we expect the writers of the Generation 1 cartoon to care about "[[Reinforcements from Cybertron!]]"? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::The catalog reflects the understanding in place at the time in Japan, which may reasonably be expected to be shared by the writers, even if they're not specifically aware of the catalog itself.
::::::::And more to the point- ti doesn't matter whether ''they'' care about the catalog's existance- ''we do''. And in this case- it wasn't bvendign the article over backwards to mention it- it was mentioned in passing as one of many things that could clarify an ambiguous part of the movie- all of which point in the same direction. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The "understanding in place at the time in Japan" was "Galvatron once beat up Megatron"? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::The "understanding in place at the time in Japan" was "BW and BW2 take place at more or less the same time, so it's ''possible'' for Galvatron and Megatron to have come to blows." Yes. As opposed to the 10-year-later retcon that they are separated by untold millennia of time. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
How the Hell does one thing logically lead to the another? The point of contention is whether they did fight, not if it's "possible" they did. (Do you even have any other sources that state ''Beast Wars II'' happens at the same time as ''Beast Wars''?)[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

{{quote|If a new edit is contested, the answer generally is not to redo it over.|Interrobang}}
'''You''', who self-rightiously declare ''Let the reader decide based on the facts instead of feeding them opinion'', now know that by your butchering of others exits to excise and minimize elements of the canon your admit you dont' care for and don't think should count... you have transformed this from a two-sized argument presenting reasons why the movie could be referring to either G1 or BW Megs- into a 1-sided argument where every sentence supports it being G1 Megatron.

And while I [[personal canon|personally]] believe that to be correct, it is ''incorrect'' to present the Movie as having done so. Hack.

Also, last time you kneejerk reverted, you erased a structural correction I made to the article outside of that section. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:I really don't want to argue, since I really can't make any discernible sense of your bullshit. But I'll try.
:*"the canon your admit you dont' care for and don't think should count"
:Where did I say this? Since you obviously have shitty reading comprehension, I'll explain, again. I'm saying it's likely that the writers didn't care for the catalog, and it's not canon (or "in continuity", if you prefer) according to the timeline. All your cries for "but it's canon" make no fucking sense, since the canon timeline shoots it out of the water. But you're apt to ignore the timeline because... you don't like it.
:*"you have transformed this from a two-sized argument presenting reasons why the movie could be referring to either G1 or BW Megs- into a 1-sided argument where every sentence supports it being G1 Megatron."
:It ''wasn't'' a one-sided argument for G1 Megatron before my edit? Coulda fucking fooled me. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

::[[Canon|Everything is canon]]. The fact that Japan, 10 years after-the-fact imposed a giant retcon (with no supporting fiction, at all) wiping one official approved source out of continuity doesn't mean it no longer counts on this wiki.
::And while all signs seem to point to it being G1 MEgs int he movie- the section used to at least ''acknowledge'' one argument why BW Megs would be a better fit. You deleted that- leaving just across-the-board pro-G1 citations. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, everything is canon. That doesn't mean they all fit together or we can't acknowledge doubt that the writer was aware of it. And the point of my edits was to simply provide facts, not arguments, but whatever. I didn't have a particular issue with the "symmetry" bit. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::But you nonetheless removed it in the process of rephrasing things to fit your predispositions.
:::Whetever. McFeely's edit is verbose- but it covers all the issues fairly. You feel the same? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I removed it not because I had "predispositions" (nor did I do anything for such). I removed it because it wasn't a straight fact, unlike dialogue and events. I still disagree with "the greatest and most vicious Transformer in history" being an good indicator for G1 Megatron, considering the adulation Primal got in the same movie, but I just can't give a shit anymore. Out of curiosity, just what the ''Hell'' do you think my motivation is? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

''You then proceeded to push your opinion that G1 Megatron was intended because of a toy catalog that was so obscure that they either ignored or overlooked<br/>
''My point regarding the catalog is that A) it evidently doesn't matter to the Japanese or they wouldn't have put Beast Wars II in a later era (thus making it noncanon in that regard; as in, not part of continuity)<br/>
''Goddamnit. The point is that we have no way of knowing the movie's writers knew or cared about a toy catalog.

I think your motivation is that the toy catalog cheeses you off for some reason, so you were doign your damndest to remove any reference to it, or belittle its existance. And as much as you claim "I don't think 'the most viscious TF' necessarily refers to G1 Megs" was your motication, in [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Lio_Convoy_in_Imminent_Danger&oldid=157069 Revision 157069] you completely ignored that section, instead focusing on the catalog to say ''A toy catalog states that ''Beast Wars'' Megatron and Galvatron were rivals, but whether the writers knew or cared about it isn't known.''
If me making assumptions about your motivations offends you- then I'm sorry. It is perhaps more accurate to say I object to your ''actions'', which consistently have exised or minimized the catalog's place in canon-- including your ''first'' revision whose memo field unilaterally declared 'The catalog clearly isn't canon.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't ignore the "greatest blah blah" part, as I removed the part where it was said to indicate G1 Megatron. I made it more open-ended, leaving it to the reader to decide whether it referred to BW or G1. As for the canon quibbles, I meant "not in canon (continuity) with the movie" and not a good indicator for what was intended in the movie. But we've argued enough. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Um... wow.

And I thought it had got unpleasant when ''I'' was involved...! Seriously guys, what the hell?

I'm a passionate TransFan too, but this kind of mouth-frothing unpleasentness is just... something else. Truly uncalled for. I can't believe how vicious that all got.

Anyway, I for one am quite happy with the new version, which I take it is largely thanks to McFeely. Kudos, and ''gracias''. I also think it includes a couple of very good new points, which serve to "stabilise" the argument a bit.

I have taken the liberty of adding a picture and making some very minor tweaks which I don't think substantively alter this new "consensus" version. I hope it doesn't re-ignite anything.

Okay, later guys. Get some rest. And, y'know, a lot of Valium.

Cheers,
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 01:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

:See, now I think it's too long again. :p And frankly, this section already links to the Galvatron article's section with the picture from the catalog. It (the picture) isn't exactly crying out for inclusion in this article. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

::Um, really? Err... I thought I had added a sumtotal of less than a dozen new words, didn't I? I'm surprised that you think ''that's'' enough to suddenly make the article "too long again"...?
::And does the picture really do any harm, especially given: a] the attempts to suppress all mention in this article of the catalogue's existence?, and b] it illustrates part of the argument?
::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 01:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

:::I also feel like it's a little too long now, but, I can live with it. I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention when this dispute went down; it looks like it's all settled so I'm not going to do anything, but I feel I must say that Interrobang's bahavior was highly inappropriate. Repeated reverts, ignoring requests for discussion, and a highly hostile tone throughout -- even cursing at Derik in edit summaries -- is all bad stuff. Take a "time out" next time, Interrobang, or I'll force you to. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Little silly to single me out when hostility and edit warring is a product of both sides. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== So.. which Megatron? ==

Wasn't there some sort of rivalry between BWII Galvatron and BW Megatron? Why would Galvatron summon his foe? It seems like he aimed for G1 Megs after all...
:Please review the giant wall of text above this section for the extended discussion on this. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:24, 17 September 2011 (EDT)

== Is this really the best title? ==

This new title, "Lio Convoy, Close Call!"... it hurts. Is there really no better sounding way to translate this title without being so overtly literal? I mean, look at the [[Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1]] and [[Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1|Part 2]]. They use the same "(''name of something'') Kiki Ippatsu" title format, yet the English-translated title feels both natural and accurate. So, why can't this article have a similar English name? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 09:13, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
::Unless there is some precedent for this translation, I would suggest either the above or the literal-but-better-flowing "Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" (based on the translation of a Digimon movie with the same nihongo format).[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 13:22, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
:::I also prefer the original translation over... ''this''. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:34, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
::::"JohnnyMrNinja" was the one who added it, attempting to make it more literal while adding in a comma that wasn't there and using an idiom that means something totally different from the intended "you're about to get whacked." Can we change it back, now?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 16:57, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, that JohnnyMrNinja guy was a brand new editor who spent a day making all sorts of stupid edits all over the place. I see no reason for this one to stick. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:00, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
Can someon also fix the title of [[Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals|this page]]? "JohnnyMrNinja" changed that one too, and it wouldn't go back to the previous title when I tried to move it back. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:04, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
:There's something gone funny with the server, I think. I'm getting errors when trying to save pages, and just before I logged out and had a huge amount of trouble logging back in. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:11, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
::Never mind, it seems to have come right! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:12, 7 June 2012 (EDT)

ビーストウォーズII ライオンコンボイ、危機一髪! translates to ビーストウォーズII (Beast Wars II) ライオン (Lion) コンボイ (Convoy) 、(comma), 危機一髪! is an idiom that means literally that danger or risk (危) is/was a hairsbreadth away, 機 (measurement) 一 (one) 髪 (hair). The closest translation for this Japanese idiom in English is "close shave" or "close call". I don't know where the translation "Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" comes from, but that implies danger is soon, not close, and is certainly not a literal translation. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 14:35, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
::::Actually, I was basing on secondary sources as mentioned below. I'm not great at searching in Japanese, so I will admit a margin for error there. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
::::I'm not sure if you're telling me this in particular. I wasn't arguing for Wikipedia's reliability. [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87|24.211.29.87]] 15:29, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
:::::I think that was aimed at me, and I don't disagree. I was not basing anything on the WP title, because anyone (like me) can add/remove info from there. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:34, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.
::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!

2012-06-09T19:25:54Z

JohnnyMrNinja: /* Is this really the best title? */edit conflict x2, you guys reply too fast!

Were thbey called 'Matrices of Leadership'? I know A convoy gets a matrixcx upon achieving the rank of Hyperconvoy, but was this actual term ever used? Proper-noun-like? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Not really, but in the Japanese language there is no such thing as plurals. "Matrices" is the plural for "Matrix", right? So I was trying to go with proper English. I *want* to write an article for the Japanese Beast Wars era Matrix system, but we can't settle on what to call it. They were called "Matrix of Leadership", but since they weren't THE Matrix of Leadership, the admins don't want that info in the Matrix of Leadership article. So what should I call it? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

They're a [[Leadership Matrix]]. ; ) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

You win this round. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

==RUN, you fools!==
It's "run" in the movie. It's "fly" in the book. They're both correct. Ergo we default to what the original editor wanted, said editor being [[User:Derik]], unless he pops up to say otherwise. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:40, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:I'm no LOTR fan by any stretch of the imagination. I don't know from nothing. But a quick google shows me that there's actually quite a bit of debate over whether or not he says "fly" or "run" in the movie. It's been pointed out to me that the ''script'' for the movie says "fly"... - ''McFeely, not signed in''
::Well I'll be damned, you're right. It's hard to distinguish, but [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GavYHXylPVc he actually does say "fly"]. I AM DISHONORED! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Reverted Deletion==
Dear Interrobang,

Please don't just delete whole subsections like that, which someone (me) has obviously put some time into writing, quote-transcribing and fact-checking. If you think it is incorrect, or lacks merit, fine. But when it's a substantial little chunk of contribution, I think it would at least be polite to raise the issue first rather than just unilaterally vanishing it, don't you?

As to the issue at hand, I think your assessment that the BWII catalogue is noncanon is debatable. It's been included in the Beast Wars Megs article for ages with no notes to that effect. If you have additional information which supports your claim to noncanon (and really, what in Japan ''is'' noncanon these days?), please include it in the relevant article, and discuss it here.

Regarding the messy Japanese timeline... well, ditto, basically. The point of the section I wrote it that it is thoroughly unclear WHICH Megatron the Predacons were searching for. Unless you have some new information to add, I don't see the basis for your deletion.

If you feel you have a reasonable justification, please outline it here. In the meantime, I have reverted your deletion, as well as the brief one you removed from G1 Megs' article.

[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 06:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

:For goodness sake, you just deleted it again! Will you please be a grown-up and discuss this?

:For starters, you are asserting that this is all on the basis of the catalogue: IT ISN'T. If you watch the movie it is genuinely ambiguous as to which Megatron they're talking about, even if you completely ignore the catalogue. On that basis alone it merits inculsion.

:Some reasonable discussion next time, if you ''please''.

:[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 06:22, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

::The issue is that you're making an entire section of pointless filler when "Whether Galvatron meant Generation 1 or ''Beast Wars'' Megatron is unknown." was more than sufficient enough. You then proceeded to push your opinion that G1 Megatron ''was'' intended because of a toy catalog that was so obscure that they either ignored or overlooked it when putting ''Beast Wars II'' thousands of years after ''Beast Wars'' in the official timeline.

::You "putting some time" in it is irrelevant. The only concern is whether it's appropriate, which is isn't.

::Amusing how you insist me to be "a grow-up", though. Please don't pretend that you're better than me, certainly not when you're edit warring over a section that was entirely your creation. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 06:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

::: ''Sigh''. Yes, I'm sure I'm terribly amusing, thank you. Your sarcasm is equally chucklesome, I'm sure. Your hostility, however, leaves me merely disappointed. I'm wasn't implying anything about being "better" than you; I don't even know you. So please don't put words in my mouth. Furthermore, I have never attempted to disguise the fact that I am defending my own contribution. Surely is permissible, is it not? My only serious objection to your behaviour was your immediate reversion of my restoration, without even the politeness of first discussing it in the appropriate forum (here), especially considering I'd explicitly invited you to do so.

:::Anyway, you and I are obviously heading into a complete discussional brick-wall situation here. Anyone else care to contribute or venture an opinion?

:::P.S. I would be prepared to (grudgingly) make the concession of shortening the section, including the removal of the last sentence which speculates about G1 Megs' weapon-mode, but I still don't agree that the whole subsection is irrelevant to the point of requiring deletion. Let's not forget which wiki we're on here, shall we?

:::P.P.S. I'm also still befuddled by your wholesale rejection of the catalogue fiction. It seems to me that actually quite a bit of Japanese canon is derived from minor magazine, text and packaging mini-fiction sources that would be considered apocryphal in the U.S. but count over there. I still don't see you offering any proof to back up your assertion that it is noncanon.

:::And, again, it has been featured in BW Megs' page for quite some time without objection... Anyone else have an opinion on this?

:::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 06:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

::::Aaaaand now you've done it again, deleting it all and replacing it with one sentence. Charming. Anyone seeing a pattern here?

::::Here's an idea: How about we both leave it alone until some ''other'' people have two seconds to bring their opinons to the issue? Some manners wouldn't go astray either, might I add.

::::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 07:05, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::My point regarding the catalog is that A) it evidently doesn't matter to the Japanese or they wouldn't have put ''Beast Wars II'' in a later era (thus making it noncanon in that regard; as in, not part of continuity), so why should it matter in this case? And B) even if it's part of continuity, it doesn't rule out BW Megatron. It's a Japanese children's cartoon. It's not there to abide to something drummed up by marketers to sell toys (L@@K!!! Galvatron beat up Megatron! Buy his toy to bask in the awesomeness!). Beyond the catalog, your section has nothing but "maybe BW or maybe G1".

:::::I'm sorry you feel incredible offense that your edits are being undone or changed, but this is a ''wiki''. Everything is allowed to be edited by whether other editors see fit. If a new edit is contested, the answer generally is not to redo it over and over and insult the supposed maturity of the guy deleting it. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 07:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::Pacci{{m-}} don't just keep reverting something someone else keeps reverting. Either try to bring your edits in line with the dissenting editor to form a consensus, or try and bring in other opinions to help form a consensus. This sectionw as much too long for the subject it addressed, I've trimmed it.
::::::Interrobang- the 'BW2 and Neo are much later' thing is a retcon dating from 2007. Lots of ''other'' stuff published when BW2 was originally in production fits BW2 occurring at the same time ''much'' better. The canon says what it says- and when it contradicts itself you don't get to use the retcon to just dismiss the existence of the old understanding. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Goddamnit. The point is that we have no way of knowing the movie's writers knew or cared about a ''toy catalog''. The guys who made the timeline obviously didn't, despite even more obscure shit making it in. Do we expect the writers of the Generation 1 cartoon to care about "[[Reinforcements from Cybertron!]]"? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::The catalog reflects the understanding in place at the time in Japan, which may reasonably be expected to be shared by the writers, even if they're not specifically aware of the catalog itself.
::::::::And more to the point- ti doesn't matter whether ''they'' care about the catalog's existance- ''we do''. And in this case- it wasn't bvendign the article over backwards to mention it- it was mentioned in passing as one of many things that could clarify an ambiguous part of the movie- all of which point in the same direction. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The "understanding in place at the time in Japan" was "Galvatron once beat up Megatron"? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::The "understanding in place at the time in Japan" was "BW and BW2 take place at more or less the same time, so it's ''possible'' for Galvatron and Megatron to have come to blows." Yes. As opposed to the 10-year-later retcon that they are separated by untold millennia of time. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
How the Hell does one thing logically lead to the another? The point of contention is whether they did fight, not if it's "possible" they did. (Do you even have any other sources that state ''Beast Wars II'' happens at the same time as ''Beast Wars''?)[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

{{quote|If a new edit is contested, the answer generally is not to redo it over.|Interrobang}}
'''You''', who self-rightiously declare ''Let the reader decide based on the facts instead of feeding them opinion'', now know that by your butchering of others exits to excise and minimize elements of the canon your admit you dont' care for and don't think should count... you have transformed this from a two-sized argument presenting reasons why the movie could be referring to either G1 or BW Megs- into a 1-sided argument where every sentence supports it being G1 Megatron.

And while I [[personal canon|personally]] believe that to be correct, it is ''incorrect'' to present the Movie as having done so. Hack.

Also, last time you kneejerk reverted, you erased a structural correction I made to the article outside of that section. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:I really don't want to argue, since I really can't make any discernible sense of your bullshit. But I'll try.
:*"the canon your admit you dont' care for and don't think should count"
:Where did I say this? Since you obviously have shitty reading comprehension, I'll explain, again. I'm saying it's likely that the writers didn't care for the catalog, and it's not canon (or "in continuity", if you prefer) according to the timeline. All your cries for "but it's canon" make no fucking sense, since the canon timeline shoots it out of the water. But you're apt to ignore the timeline because... you don't like it.
:*"you have transformed this from a two-sized argument presenting reasons why the movie could be referring to either G1 or BW Megs- into a 1-sided argument where every sentence supports it being G1 Megatron."
:It ''wasn't'' a one-sided argument for G1 Megatron before my edit? Coulda fucking fooled me. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

::[[Canon|Everything is canon]]. The fact that Japan, 10 years after-the-fact imposed a giant retcon (with no supporting fiction, at all) wiping one official approved source out of continuity doesn't mean it no longer counts on this wiki.
::And while all signs seem to point to it being G1 MEgs int he movie- the section used to at least ''acknowledge'' one argument why BW Megs would be a better fit. You deleted that- leaving just across-the-board pro-G1 citations. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, everything is canon. That doesn't mean they all fit together or we can't acknowledge doubt that the writer was aware of it. And the point of my edits was to simply provide facts, not arguments, but whatever. I didn't have a particular issue with the "symmetry" bit. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::But you nonetheless removed it in the process of rephrasing things to fit your predispositions.
:::Whetever. McFeely's edit is verbose- but it covers all the issues fairly. You feel the same? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I removed it not because I had "predispositions" (nor did I do anything for such). I removed it because it wasn't a straight fact, unlike dialogue and events. I still disagree with "the greatest and most vicious Transformer in history" being an good indicator for G1 Megatron, considering the adulation Primal got in the same movie, but I just can't give a shit anymore. Out of curiosity, just what the ''Hell'' do you think my motivation is? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

''You then proceeded to push your opinion that G1 Megatron was intended because of a toy catalog that was so obscure that they either ignored or overlooked<br/>
''My point regarding the catalog is that A) it evidently doesn't matter to the Japanese or they wouldn't have put Beast Wars II in a later era (thus making it noncanon in that regard; as in, not part of continuity)<br/>
''Goddamnit. The point is that we have no way of knowing the movie's writers knew or cared about a toy catalog.

I think your motivation is that the toy catalog cheeses you off for some reason, so you were doign your damndest to remove any reference to it, or belittle its existance. And as much as you claim "I don't think 'the most viscious TF' necessarily refers to G1 Megs" was your motication, in [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Lio_Convoy_in_Imminent_Danger&oldid=157069 Revision 157069] you completely ignored that section, instead focusing on the catalog to say ''A toy catalog states that ''Beast Wars'' Megatron and Galvatron were rivals, but whether the writers knew or cared about it isn't known.''
If me making assumptions about your motivations offends you- then I'm sorry. It is perhaps more accurate to say I object to your ''actions'', which consistently have exised or minimized the catalog's place in canon-- including your ''first'' revision whose memo field unilaterally declared 'The catalog clearly isn't canon.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't ignore the "greatest blah blah" part, as I removed the part where it was said to indicate G1 Megatron. I made it more open-ended, leaving it to the reader to decide whether it referred to BW or G1. As for the canon quibbles, I meant "not in canon (continuity) with the movie" and not a good indicator for what was intended in the movie. But we've argued enough. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Um... wow.

And I thought it had got unpleasant when ''I'' was involved...! Seriously guys, what the hell?

I'm a passionate TransFan too, but this kind of mouth-frothing unpleasentness is just... something else. Truly uncalled for. I can't believe how vicious that all got.

Anyway, I for one am quite happy with the new version, which I take it is largely thanks to McFeely. Kudos, and ''gracias''. I also think it includes a couple of very good new points, which serve to "stabilise" the argument a bit.

I have taken the liberty of adding a picture and making some very minor tweaks which I don't think substantively alter this new "consensus" version. I hope it doesn't re-ignite anything.

Okay, later guys. Get some rest. And, y'know, a lot of Valium.

Cheers,
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 01:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

:See, now I think it's too long again. :p And frankly, this section already links to the Galvatron article's section with the picture from the catalog. It (the picture) isn't exactly crying out for inclusion in this article. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

::Um, really? Err... I thought I had added a sumtotal of less than a dozen new words, didn't I? I'm surprised that you think ''that's'' enough to suddenly make the article "too long again"...?
::And does the picture really do any harm, especially given: a] the attempts to suppress all mention in this article of the catalogue's existence?, and b] it illustrates part of the argument?
::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 01:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

:::I also feel like it's a little too long now, but, I can live with it. I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention when this dispute went down; it looks like it's all settled so I'm not going to do anything, but I feel I must say that Interrobang's bahavior was highly inappropriate. Repeated reverts, ignoring requests for discussion, and a highly hostile tone throughout -- even cursing at Derik in edit summaries -- is all bad stuff. Take a "time out" next time, Interrobang, or I'll force you to. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Little silly to single me out when hostility and edit warring is a product of both sides. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== So.. which Megatron? ==

Wasn't there some sort of rivalry between BWII Galvatron and BW Megatron? Why would Galvatron summon his foe? It seems like he aimed for G1 Megs after all...
:Please review the giant wall of text above this section for the extended discussion on this. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:24, 17 September 2011 (EDT)

== Is this really the best title? ==

This new title, "Lio Convoy, Close Call!"... it hurts. Is there really no better sounding way to translate this title without being so overtly literal? I mean, look at the [[Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1]] and [[Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1|Part 2]]. They use the same "(''name of something'') Kiki Ippatsu" title format, yet the English-translated title feels both natural and accurate. So, why can't this article have a similar English name? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 09:13, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
::Unless there is some precedent for this translation, I would suggest either the above or the literal-but-better-flowing "Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" (based on the translation of a Digimon movie with the same nihongo format).[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 13:22, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
:::I also prefer the original translation over... ''this''. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:34, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
::::"JohnnyMrNinja" was the one who added it, attempting to make it more literal while adding in a comma that wasn't there and using an idiom that means something totally different from the intended "you're about to get whacked." Can we change it back, now?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 16:57, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, that JohnnyMrNinja guy was a brand new editor who spent a day making all sorts of stupid edits all over the place. I see no reason for this one to stick. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:00, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
Can someon also fix the title of [[Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals|this page]]? "JohnnyMrNinja" changed that one too, and it wouldn't go back to the previous title when I tried to move it back. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:04, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
:There's something gone funny with the server, I think. I'm getting errors when trying to save pages, and just before I logged out and had a huge amount of trouble logging back in. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:11, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
::Never mind, it seems to have come right! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:12, 7 June 2012 (EDT)

ビーストウォーズII ライオンコンボイ、危機一髪! translates to ビーストウォーズII (Beast Wars II) ライオン (Lion) コンボイ (Convoy) 、(comma), 危機一髪! is an idiom that means literally that danger or risk (危) is/was a hairsbreadth away, 機 (measurement) 一 (one) 髪 (hair). The closest translation for this Japanese idiom in English is "close shave" or "close call". I don't know where the translation "Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" comes from, but that implies danger is soon, not close, and is certainly not a literal translation. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 14:35, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
::::Actually, I was basing on secondary sources as mentioned below. I'm not great at searching in Japanese, so I will admit a margin for error there. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.
::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!

2012-06-09T18:35:13Z

JohnnyMrNinja: /* Is this really the best title? */ the comma is in the Japanese title

Moon (BW)

2012-06-06T03:53:41Z

JohnnyMrNinja: slight reword

{{factions|{{factions/icons|custom=Moon symbol clean.png|cSize=22px|cLink=Moon (BWII)|cPretty=Moon}}|predacon|maximal}}
{{disambig2|the transforming bunny from Beast Wars II|the Earth's natural orbiting satellite|Moon (moon)}}

:''Moon is a transforming bunny from the [[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:MoonBWII1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"You crack me up, little buddy!" "Whatever."]]

Despite being a transforming bunny rabbit, '''Moon''' (ムーン ''Mūn'') is not of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] origin, but is a relic from the past of [[Gaea]] (future [[Earth]]). He is stationed on the moon orbiting the planet along with his partner, [[Artemis]]. Together, they watch the battle unfold between the [[Maximal|Maximals]] and the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], gathering data in secret. He also ends every sentence with the word "moon".

Moon's special ability is the power to become invisible. He's also remarkably good at saying things that upset Artemis. He's ''not'' so good at avoiding the giant red mallet Artemis swings at his skull when she's upset, however.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Wars II'' cartoon====
''Voice actor:'' [[Junko Takeuchi]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Bw2 ep6 hammertime.jpg|left|225px|thumb|This was all because he ate the last piece of chocolate cake.]]

{{charstubfiction}}

====''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon====
[[Image:ArtemisMoonTeaParty01.jpg|thumb|250px|Did you find Lookee in this episode?]]
After [[Unicron]]'s defeat at the hands of [[Big Convoy]], and the formation of an alliance between the Maximals and Predacons, Artemis and Moon somehow travelled to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

As Big Convoy and [[Magmatron]]'s forces had one last brawl for old times' sake behind them, the Gaea androids participated in a giant cross-faction party under beautiful cherry blossoms. They shared a drink with [[Bazooka (BWN)|Bazooka]], [[Crazybolt]] and [[Sharp Edge (BWN)|Sharp Edge]], while [[Apache]] and [[Cohrada]] peacefully slept nearby. {{storylink|Graduation Ceremony!!}}
{{-}}

===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===

Moon was charged by the [[Celestial]]s with observing the events transpiring on the planet [[Gaea]] with [[Artemis]] for them. When the battle between the forces of [[Lio Convoy]] and Galvatron grew to be too dire for Moon to stand any longer, the robot followed his moral compass and disobeyed his orders, taking an active role in events. For this, the Celestials "excommunicated" him and he could no longer contact them. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook 2}}

==Games==
===''Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle'' video game===
{{note|Moon is listed as a Predacon in this game, to equalize the combatants in each faction.}}
When a super-powerful [[Energon crystal]] is discovered on [[Earth]], Moon assisted his friend Artemis in order to gain possession of said crystal.

Together, they could also partake in various other tasks, such as a mission to break a boulder to reveal an energon crystal hidden within before sundown, using a block in a mission to defend themselves against various incoming projectiles, and missions to run across a pit-riddled field, sometimes involving hideously large bacteria that had to be fended off.

When they defeated their last opponent, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], Artemis, blissfully unaware of the crystal's power, used it as a decoration for her room, finding it pretty. {{storylink|Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle}}
{{note|Each character possessed an alternate ending, displayed if the game was beaten with said character. Each character has only their own ending listed on their pages, see the other characters' pages for Moon's fate in those outcomes.}}

==Toys==
[[Image:BWII Moon toy.jpg|right|thumb|In the future, robots have rabbit faces instead of butts. Because robots don't need butts.]]
===Beast Wars===
* '''Moon''' (Basic, 1998)
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''S-2'''

: Moon transforms into a yellow rabbitty-thing. Its robot-mode chest has a "View-Master"-like gimmick, showing art of various ''Beast Wars II'' characters when you look through it. The pictures can be switched by pressing its upper and lower body together until it clicks.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Cybertron/Moon/moon.htm More information on Moon at TFU.info]''

*'''Mecha Usagi Moon''' (Basic, 1998)

: A white version of Moon was made available through a mail-away offer. (Which magazine offered the item is currently unknown.) Only 2000 pieces were made.

==Notes==
[[Image:Moon-symbol.jpg|left|75px|thumb|Bunny Points!]]

[[Image:Concept-Moon.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Metal munching moon mice?]]
* Artemis and Moon are based on a Chinese legend about [[wikipedia:Chang'e|a lady]] and [[wikipedia:Moon rabbit|a rabbit]] who both live on [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|Moon]].

* Moon's packaging features a unique [[Robot Point|Beast Points]] symbol that was seemingly used nowhere else.

* A pocket-sized Japanese guide book to ''Beast Wars II'' contains an early concept drawing of Moon. It shows that at one time a bizarre-looking, Russian [[wikipedia:Cheburashka|Cheburashka]]-like creature with huge ears and a pierced tail was considered.

[[Category:Beast Wars Maximals]]
[[Category:Beast Wars II characters]]
[[Category:Beast Wars II Predacons]]
[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]
[[Category:Mail order exclusives]]
[[Category:Robots]]

File:Darkwing boxart.jpg

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''Generation 1'' [[Darkwing]]'s boxart {{hastak}}

Scan courtesy of [http://www.botchthecrab.com BotchtheCrab.com]

File:UniverseDarkwindToy.jpg

2012-06-06T03:36:48Z

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''Transformers Universe'' [[Darkwing|Darkwind]], a 2009 Toys "R" Us exclusive. Photos by [[User:ItsWalky]]

{{hastak}}
[[Category: Universe 2008 toy images]]

File:Universe-AR-Thrust.JPG

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The ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Thrust (G1)#Classic Series|Thrust]] toy from the [[Target]]-[[exclusive]] "Aerial Rivals" Legends-Class 5-pack. Photos by [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]].

[[Category:Universe 2008 toy images]]
[[Category:Target exclusive toy images]]

File:BWII LioConvoy toy.jpg

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Ultra class [[Lio Convoy]] from the ''Beast Wars II'' toyline.

{{fairuse}}

Photos courtesy of [http://www.seibertron.com Seibertron.com's toy galleries]

Moon (BW)

2012-06-06T02:38:08Z

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{{factions|{{factions/icons|custom=Moon symbol clean.png|cSize=22px|cLink=Moon (BWII)|cPretty=Moon}}|predacon|maximal}}
{{disambig2|the transforming bunny from Beast Wars II|the Earth's natural orbiting satellite|Moon (moon)}}

:''Moon is a transforming bunny from the [[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:MoonBWII1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"You crack me up, little buddy!" "Whatever."]]

While a transforming bunny rabbit, '''Moon''' (ムーン ''Mūn'') is not of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] origin, but is a relic from the past of [[Gaea]] (future [[Earth]]). He is stationed on the moon orbiting the planet along with his partner, [[Artemis]]. Together, they watch the battle unfold between the [[Maximal|Maximals]] and the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], gathering data in secret. He also ends every sentence with the word "moon".

Moon's special ability is the power to become invisible. He's also remarkably good at saying things that upset Artemis. He's ''not'' so good at avoiding the giant red mallet Artemis swings at his skull when she's upset, however.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Wars II'' cartoon====
''Voice actor:'' [[Junko Takeuchi]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Bw2 ep6 hammertime.jpg|left|225px|thumb|This was all because he ate the last piece of chocolate cake.]]

{{charstubfiction}}

====''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon====
[[Image:ArtemisMoonTeaParty01.jpg|thumb|250px|Did you find Lookee in this episode?]]
After [[Unicron]]'s defeat at the hands of [[Big Convoy]], and the formation of an alliance between the Maximals and Predacons, Artemis and Moon somehow travelled to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

As Big Convoy and [[Magmatron]]'s forces had one last brawl for old times' sake behind them, the Gaea androids participated in a giant cross-faction party under beautiful cherry blossoms. They shared a drink with [[Bazooka (BWN)|Bazooka]], [[Crazybolt]] and [[Sharp Edge (BWN)|Sharp Edge]], while [[Apache]] and [[Cohrada]] peacefully slept nearby. {{storylink|Graduation Ceremony!!}}
{{-}}

===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===

Moon was charged by the [[Celestial]]s with observing the events transpiring on the planet [[Gaea]] with [[Artemis]] for them. When the battle between the forces of [[Lio Convoy]] and Galvatron grew to be too dire for Moon to stand any longer, the robot followed his moral compass and disobeyed his orders, taking an active role in events. For this, the Celestials "excommunicated" him and he could no longer contact them. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook 2}}

==Games==
===''Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle'' video game===
{{note|Moon is listed as a Predacon in this game, to equalize the combatants in each faction.}}
When a super-powerful [[Energon crystal]] is discovered on [[Earth]], Moon assisted his friend Artemis in order to gain possession of said crystal.

Together, they could also partake in various other tasks, such as a mission to break a boulder to reveal an energon crystal hidden within before sundown, using a block in a mission to defend themselves against various incoming projectiles, and missions to run across a pit-riddled field, sometimes involving hideously large bacteria that had to be fended off.

When they defeated their last opponent, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], Artemis, blissfully unaware of the crystal's power, used it as a decoration for her room, finding it pretty. {{storylink|Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle}}
{{note|Each character possessed an alternate ending, displayed if the game was beaten with said character. Each character has only their own ending listed on their pages, see the other characters' pages for Moon's fate in those outcomes.}}

==Toys==
[[Image:BWII Moon toy.jpg|right|thumb|In the future, robots have rabbit faces instead of butts. Because robots don't need butts.]]
===Beast Wars===
* '''Moon''' (Basic, 1998)
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''S-2'''

: Moon transforms into a yellow rabbitty-thing. Its robot-mode chest has a "View-Master"-like gimmick, showing art of various ''Beast Wars II'' characters when you look through it. The pictures can be switched by pressing its upper and lower body together until it clicks.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Cybertron/Moon/moon.htm More information on Moon at TFU.info]''

*'''Mecha Usagi Moon''' (Basic, 1998)

: A white version of Moon was made available through a mail-away offer. (Which magazine offered the item is currently unknown.) Only 2000 pieces were made.

==Notes==
[[Image:Moon-symbol.jpg|left|75px|thumb|Bunny Points!]]

[[Image:Concept-Moon.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Metal munching moon mice?]]
* Artemis and Moon are based on a Chinese legend about [[wikipedia:Chang'e|a lady]] and [[wikipedia:Moon rabbit|a rabbit]] who both live on [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|Moon]].

* Moon's packaging features a unique [[Robot Point|Beast Points]] symbol that was seemingly used nowhere else.

* A pocket-sized Japanese guide book to ''Beast Wars II'' contains an early concept drawing of Moon. It shows that at one time a bizarre-looking, Russian [[wikipedia:Cheburashka|Cheburashka]]-like creature with huge ears and a pierced tail was considered.

[[Category:Beast Wars Maximals]]
[[Category:Beast Wars II characters]]
[[Category:Beast Wars II Predacons]]
[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]
[[Category:Mail order exclusives]]
[[Category:Robots]]

File:BWII Moon toy.jpg

2012-06-06T02:33:08Z

JohnnyMrNinja: Moon from the ''Beast Wars II'' toyline. {{fairuse}} Photos courtesy of http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/yagyujaguar10/28079766.html

[[Moon]] from the ''Beast Wars II'' toyline.

{{fairuse}}

Photos courtesy of http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/yagyujaguar10/28079766.html

Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!

2012-06-06T01:19:11Z

JohnnyMrNinja: /* Notes */ Lio Convoy, Close Call!

{{episode
|otherseries=''[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers]]'' part 2
|prev=Clash! Beast Warriors
|next=Bad Spark
|image=LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg
|caption=
|title="Lio Convoy, Close Call!"
|japanese=ライオコンボイ危機一髪!
|romaji=Lio Convoy Kikiippatsu!
|production company= "Beast Wars" Production Committee ([[Toei]], [[TakaraTomy|Takara]], [[we've|AEON]], [[TV Tokyo]])
|airdate=[[December 19]], 1998
|written by=[[Nagata Toshiyasu]]
|directed by=[[Akira Nishimori]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Beast Wars continuity]]
}}

'''Galvatron kicks the Beast Wars on Gaea into overdrive when he summons forth one of the greatest monstrosities of the past, Majin Zarak, to lay waste to the Maximals.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:BWII-Mysterious Ship Vs Combiners.jpg|250px|left|thumb|]]

Above the Planet [[Gaea]], where [[Lio Convoy]] and his [[Maximal]]s are fighting the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] against [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] and his [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], a strange ship appears. It disrupts a musical battle between the [[Jointron]]s and the [[Seacon (BWII)|Seacons]], plowing through them and breaking apart their combined forms. As the ship draws nearer, the radar on the ''[[Yukikaze (BWII)|Yukikaze]]'' warns the Maximals of its approach. They turn to Lio Convoy for directions. Lio Convoy rises with a twinkle in his eye.

Over on the ''[[Galvaburg II]]'', Galvatron and [[Megastorm|Gigastorm]] have discovered the approaching ship, too. Gigastorm recommends destroying it, but Galvatron has a "feeling" that it will bring the Predacons great fortune.

The ship crashes into the frozen tundra of Gaea's North Pole. [[Apache]] picks it up on his scanners and Lio Convoy orders a unit to investigate. [[Lio Junior]] begs to go, but the other Maximals shoot him down, telling him to go to his room and take a nap or whatever it is whippersnappers do these days. Lio Convoy orders Lio Junior to stay behind in case they need back-up, much to his dismay. [[Tasmania Kid]] interjects, asking Convoy to let Lio Junior go and that he'll take responsibility for him. Lio Convoy concedes and allows Lio Junior to participate.

Taking [[Santon]] and [[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]] along, Lio Junior and Tasmania Kid arrive in the frozen north. They then change to beast mode and begin searching. They eventually find the ship, seemingly abandoned, and Lio Junior wastes no time rushing inside to explore. Against Skywarp's advisement, Lio Junior begins pressing random buttons on a computer console and activates a teleport gate. No one knows what what a "teleport gate" is except Tasmania Kid (oddly). He explains that it is a device that can control space-time and pluck living creatures from any point in history, including Transformers! The computer, however, requires a "control unit" in order to function.

Lio Junior finds the control unit (a rock-like spear) inside a floating ball, but before he can grab it, [[BB|Max B]] drops in and swipes it. He then leaves and meets back up with [[Starscream (BWII)|Hellscream]], [[Thrust (BWII)|Thrustor]] and [[Dirge (BWII)|Dirgegun]]. Being a brash young stereotype, Lio Junior chases after Max B by himself and demands the Predacons fork over the control unit. Hellscream casually brushes his threat aside, telling Lio Junior to "go home and suck on his mother's breast". Lio Junior attacks, but it tossed aside by Hellscream without much effort. The other Maximals finally catch up and Lio Junior tells Skywarp and Santon its time to combine. Skywarp refuses, telling Lio Convoy that they aren't spiritually in sync enough to combine.

[[Image:Liojunior.jpg|250px|right|thumb|]]

Lio Junior gets frustrated and recklessly attacks Hellscream, snatching back the control unit. Hellscream responds by firing a powerful "Terrorstorm" blast at him. Tasmania Kid, however, leaps in front of him and takes the whole of the blast. Before he passes out, he tells Lio Junior that apparently there's nothing that can stop his selfish behavior. The Predacons then combine their power and attack the injured Maximals with a volley of firepower. Like a helpless little baby, Lio Junior cries and begs for them to please stop. Luckily, Lio Convoy and the other Maximals arrive just in time to stop them and scare them off.

The battle over and Kid not responding to treatment, Lio Convoy asks for a ''private'' meeting with Lio Junior. Lio Convoy scolds him, telling him that he ordered him to ''investigate'', not engage in battle. Lio Junior snaps back, saying that if it weren't for ''him'', the Predacons would have the control unit. Now, the Maximals have the power of the teleport gate in their hands. Lio Convoy tells him none of that matters, since it may be at the cost of Kid's life. He asks Lio Junior if the control unit was worth his friend's life. Lio Junior responds by saying he doesn't ''have'' any friends because everyone's always making fun of him and he just wanted to prove himself. Lio Convoy asks him if he's forgotten the ''reason'' the Maximals are fighting. Lio Junior apparently has, so Convoy reminds him that it's to protect the peace in the universe. He then says that anyone who has forgotten the Maximal reason for fighting is no comrade of his. Lio Junior throws a tantrum, saying he no longer wants to be a Maximal and that with the power of the control unit, he'll defeat the Predacons ''himself''. He then transforms and runs off.

As the Maximals fly off in the ''Yukikaze'', tending to a mortally wounded Tasmania Kid, Dirgegun reports to Galvatron on the ''Galvaburg II'' that the control unit is required to operate the teleport gate. Galvatron is apparently aware of Lio Junior's tantrum and mocks Lio Convoy's inability to take command of a single brat. He then finds Lio Junior alone in a forest and, with the rest of the Predacons, approaches him. Galvatron says that he came to help; the forest is full of dangerous animals and pitfalls. The Predacons will happily take the wayward cub in and protect him so long as he hands over the control unit. Lio Junior refuses. Galvatron then sits down and decides to tell him "the truth". The teleport gate is actually a doomsday weapon capable of destroying a whole planet. The Predacons activated it by mistake and now they need the control unit to shut it down, otherwise the planet will be destroyed in under an hour.

Lio Junior is about to buy it, when the still injured and bandaged Kid comes crawling out of the woods, warning Junior not to listen. Junior isn't sure who to believe, but decides that preventing the destruction of Gaea is a sure way to earn the respect of Lio Convoy and the others.

As Kid collapses, Junior returns with Galvatron to the ''Galvaburg II'' and hands over the control unit. Immediately, Galvatron orders Gigastorm to release the teleport gate and summon the most powerful and vicious Transformer in history: [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. Hellscream then throws Lio Junior in a cell and taunts him with the imminent destruction of the Maximals.

On the ''Yukikaze'', Kid returns and tells everyone that Lio Junior has defected to the Predacons. Lio Convoy swears to give him a lot more than a stearn talking to when they get him back, but Tasmania Kid urges them not to judge Junior so harshly. He says he knows how Lio Junior feels, as he was also a young runt trying to prove himself not long ago.

[[Image:GalvatronBW1.jpg|250px|left|thumb|"Yarr, it's drivin' me nuts!"]]

At the teleport gate, Gigastorm locks onto Megatron's wavelength and activates the machine. Three units pop out of the side of the ship, float into the sky and open up a triangular interdimensional doorway. Through it, something big, horrible and most certainly ''not'' Megatron falls through, nearly crushing the [[Autoroller]]s in the process. Galvatron smacks his brother for screwing up the coordinates and demands Hellscream find out what that thing is. Galvatron's mood changes when he learns that it is the great [[Majin Zarak]]. Majin Zarak transforms into a gigantic ''holy crap gonna kill you'' monster and Galvatron takes command of his control unit (an old fashioned nautical stearing wheel, oddly). After thanking Lio Junior via video phone for providing him with a weapon superior to Megatron, he uses Majin Zarak to destroy a gigantic iceberg and then transforms him to aircraft carrier mode.

At the ''Yukikaze'', their sensors discover the legendary Majin Zarak, much to everyone's horror. Lio Convoy orders them to attack, anyway. They arrive, only to find that Majin Zarak's aircraft carrier mode can ''also'' move over land. The Maximals attack in a small craft, but are quickly swatted away by Zarak's superior firepower. They decide to land and attack from the ground.

On the ''Galvaburg II'', Lio Junior breaks out of his cell and escapes. Thrustor and Diregun give chase, but luckily for Junior, Skywarp and Santon arrive to even the odds and fight them off. Skywarp invites Junior to help in the battle against Zarak, but Junior says there's a place they must go, first. Skywarp suggests they all go as one and the three of them fuse into [[Magnaboss II|Magnaboss]]. He gets blasted in the chest by the retreating Thrustor, though, and is forced to march to the alien ship with a bad injury. With his last ounce of strength, Magnaboss uses his own power source to charge the teleport gate and summons a mysterious figure.

[[Image:BWII-Majin Zarak blast.jpg|250px|right|thumb|Ahhh! Hairball!]]

Back at the canyon, the Maximals fight their way past the Autorollers, Hellscream and Max B, but are still overwhelmed by Majin Zarak's power. Lio Convoy makes it onto the carrier and sends Gigastorm flying away with his Lio Typhoon. Galvatron's decided he's had enough and transforms Majin Zarak into his frickin' Godzilla mode. Zarak then uses the three cannons on his back to destroy a whole mountain range and scatter the Maximals. Galvatron thinks he's won, but he suddenly receives a Maximal text message: "You think you've won, but we won't be defeated. Let us settle this. Come to point B-2. -Convoy"

Buried beneath tons of rock, Lio Convoy hears a familiar voice urging him to fight on. He explains that he was summoned by Magnaboss, a selfless warrior who used his own power to bring him here. Lio Convoy is sorry he underestimated Magnaboss (and by extension, Lio Junior) and asks who the mysterious warrior is. They shake hands and in a blast of light, the tons of rock are cleared. Magnaboss greets Lio Convoy and tells him he's rescued the other Maximals. He then introduces them to...wait for it...''wait for it''...
{{-}}
[[image:OptimusPrimalAnimeOMG01.jpg|center|250px|thumb|]]

<center>[[Optimus Primal]]!</center>

The "legendary General Commander" swears to help the injured Maximals win at all costs. Lio Convoy decides that while he, Primal and Bighorn attack Majin Zarak, [[Scuba]], [[Apache]] and the rest will try and find his weak point. Magnaboss wants to fight, but Lio Convoy says he's too injured. Once again, Tasmania Kid convinces him to let the brat fight. The [[Insectron]]s then report that Majin Zarak is headed for point B-2, a narrow canyon where his bulky body will be useless. The Maximals then rally for their final battle.

[[image:DoubleConvoyTogetherAtLast01.jpg|250px|left|thumb|]]

At point B-2, Primal and Convoy confront Galvatron, much to his surprise to see the two warriors standing together. Galvatron attempts to rush the leaders, but with Tasmania Kid's power source channeling into him, Magnaboss is strong enough to pick the aircraft carrier up and hurl it onto its side. The blow knocks Galvatron out of the ship, but he's rescued by Gigastorm, who carries him off in his hovercraft mode.

Suddenly, Majin Zarak transforms on his own. Turns out, he's alive! Majin Zarak appears invincible until Diver chimes in, having just discovered his weak spot. The third eye on his forehead is where all his nerve centers are clustered. A direct hit will destroy him, just like in a video game!

[[image:FlashBurningConvoy01.jpg|right|250px|thumb|It's called style, people. Look it up.]]

Hearing this, Optimus Primal and Lio Convoy synchronize their [[Energon Matrix|Energon Matrices]] and upgrade into Flash Lio Convoy and Burning Convoy. Burning Convoy transforms to monkey mode and rides atop Flash Lio Convoy's lion mode. They then leap into Zarak's face and Burning Convoy lands a mighty punch into his third eye. Flying away, they then combine the power of the Energon Matrices into the "Double Matrix Blaster", destroy his eye and blow him to smithereens.

The battle won, they return to the teleport gate. Lio Junior begs Primal to stay, but he reminds them that he still has to win the Beast Wars on planet [[Earth|Energoa]]. Besides, he says, their army is fine just the way it is. Apache interjects and says that, after some research, he's concluded that because the device plays havoc with time and space, it could conceivable destroy the universe, hence why whoever built it sent it to Gaea to be destroyed. Optimus Primal then returns to his proper place and time and the Maximals destroy the gate behind him.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Maximal]]s|c1=

*[[DJ (BWII)|DJ]] (1)
*[[Motorarm (BWII)|Motorarm]] (2)
*[[Gimlet]] (3)
*[[Tripledacus]] (10)
*[[Apache]] (11)
*[[Diver (BWII)|Diver]] (12)
*[[Scuba]] (13)
*[[Lio Convoy]] (14)
*[[Bighorn]] (15)
*[[Tasmania Kid]] (22)
*[[Lio Junior]] (23)
*[[Santon]] (24)
*[[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]] (25)
*[[Magnaboss II|Magnaboss]] (30)
*[[Optimus Primal]] (31)
*[[Bigmos]] (33)
*[[Drill Nuts]] (34)
*[[Mantis]] (35)
*[[Powerhug (BWII)|Powerhug]] (36)
*[[Scissor Boy]] (37)
*[[Tonbot]] (38)

|h2=[[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]]|c2=

*[[Halfshell]] (4)
*[[Scylla]] (5)
*[[Coelagon]] (6)
*[[Sea Phantom]] (7)
*[[Terrormander]] (8)
*[[God Neptune]] (9)
*[[Megastorm|Gigastorm]] (16)
*[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] (17)
*[[BB|Max-B]] (18)
*[[Starscream (BWII)|Hellscream]] (19)
*[[Thrust (BWII)|Thrustor]] (20)
*[[Dirge (BWII)|Dirgegun]] (21)
*[[Autostinger]] (26)
*[[Autocrasher]] (27)
*[[Autolauncher]] (28)
*[[Majin Zarak]] (29)
*[[Autojetter]] (32)

}}

==Production staff==

*Director: Akira Nishimori
*Executive Producer: Tan Takaiwa, Hirohisa Sato, Tetsuya Suzuki, Yoshio Yamasaki, Araichi Miyagawa
*Producer: Kozo Itagaki, Yukihiro Akutsu, Reiko Sawa
*Unit Director: Tetsuya Watanabe, Tomoharu Katsumata
*General Animation Director: Takashi Yamamoto
*Screenplay: Nagata Toshiyasu
*Drafting: Hiroto Ishikawa
*Director of Photography: Hitoshi Torigoe
*Music: Masae Sagara
*Music producer: Hajime Tachihara, Hirokuni Maeyama
*Theme
**Opening song: "[[Space Dreamer: Haruka naru Beast Wars]]"
**Ending song: "[[My Shooting Star]]"
*Art director: Geki Katsumata
*Sound Director: Yoshikazu Iwanami
*Voice Director: Satake Tetsuya
*Editing: Hajime Taniguchi
*Character Design: Takashi Yamamoto
*Animation Cooperation: Tsuburaya Productions
*Production Team: "Beast Wars" Production Committee (Toei, Takara, [[WE'VE|AEON]], TV Tokyo)
*Distribution: Toei

==Notes==
*"Lio Convoy, Close Call!" is the second portion of ''[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers]]'', starring the ''[[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' cast.

*Due to the presence of the [[Angolmois]] upgraded [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] but the overall lack of the ''[[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]'' as an immediate threat, this movie likely takes place between episode 32, "[[The Lio Convoy Assassination Plot]]", and episode 38, "[[Fly Out! Planet Gaea]]", of the ''[[Beast Wars II (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' animated series.

*While laying unconscious under a rock, Lio Convoy remarks that Optimus Primal's voice sounds "familiar" when Primal begins speaking to him via cyberspace. Subsequent media, notably ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', killed off Optimus Primal before he could survive to Lio Convoy's time thousands of years later. How he recognizes Primal's voice is unclear.

*Technically speaking, it is unclear just which "Megatron" Galvatron and his crew intended to summon across time and space: [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]] or [[Megatron (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Megatron]]. Occam's razor with Optimus Primal's appearance and the franchise focus at the time that this movie was released would indicate Galvatron was aiming for the ''Beast Wars'' character.

===Errors===
*The gun that Bighorn has in his mouth normally requires someone else to pull his tail for it to fire, yet in this movie he manages to fire it on his own.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote|japanese}}
;VHS
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Special'' — Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!! ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]])
;Laserdisc / DVD
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Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger

2012-06-06T01:18:10Z

JohnnyMrNinja: Redirecting to Lio Convoy, Close Call!

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Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!

2012-06-06T01:17:48Z

JohnnyMrNinja:

{{episode
|otherseries=''[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers]]'' part 2
|prev=Clash! Beast Warriors
|next=Bad Spark
|image=LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg
|caption=
|title="Lio Convoy, Close Call!"
|japanese=ライオコンボイ危機一髪!
|romaji=Lio Convoy Kikiippatsu!
|production company= "Beast Wars" Production Committee ([[Toei]], [[TakaraTomy|Takara]], [[we've|AEON]], [[TV Tokyo]])
|airdate=[[December 19]], 1998
|written by=[[Nagata Toshiyasu]]
|directed by=[[Akira Nishimori]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Beast Wars continuity]]
}}

'''Galvatron kicks the Beast Wars on Gaea into overdrive when he summons forth one of the greatest monstrosities of the past, Majin Zarak, to lay waste to the Maximals.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:BWII-Mysterious Ship Vs Combiners.jpg|250px|left|thumb|]]

Above the Planet [[Gaea]], where [[Lio Convoy]] and his [[Maximal]]s are fighting the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] against [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] and his [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], a strange ship appears. It disrupts a musical battle between the [[Jointron]]s and the [[Seacon (BWII)|Seacons]], plowing through them and breaking apart their combined forms. As the ship draws nearer, the radar on the ''[[Yukikaze (BWII)|Yukikaze]]'' warns the Maximals of its approach. They turn to Lio Convoy for directions. Lio Convoy rises with a twinkle in his eye.

Over on the ''[[Galvaburg II]]'', Galvatron and [[Megastorm|Gigastorm]] have discovered the approaching ship, too. Gigastorm recommends destroying it, but Galvatron has a "feeling" that it will bring the Predacons great fortune.

The ship crashes into the frozen tundra of Gaea's North Pole. [[Apache]] picks it up on his scanners and Lio Convoy orders a unit to investigate. [[Lio Junior]] begs to go, but the other Maximals shoot him down, telling him to go to his room and take a nap or whatever it is whippersnappers do these days. Lio Convoy orders Lio Junior to stay behind in case they need back-up, much to his dismay. [[Tasmania Kid]] interjects, asking Convoy to let Lio Junior go and that he'll take responsibility for him. Lio Convoy concedes and allows Lio Junior to participate.

Taking [[Santon]] and [[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]] along, Lio Junior and Tasmania Kid arrive in the frozen north. They then change to beast mode and begin searching. They eventually find the ship, seemingly abandoned, and Lio Junior wastes no time rushing inside to explore. Against Skywarp's advisement, Lio Junior begins pressing random buttons on a computer console and activates a teleport gate. No one knows what what a "teleport gate" is except Tasmania Kid (oddly). He explains that it is a device that can control space-time and pluck living creatures from any point in history, including Transformers! The computer, however, requires a "control unit" in order to function.

Lio Junior finds the control unit (a rock-like spear) inside a floating ball, but before he can grab it, [[BB|Max B]] drops in and swipes it. He then leaves and meets back up with [[Starscream (BWII)|Hellscream]], [[Thrust (BWII)|Thrustor]] and [[Dirge (BWII)|Dirgegun]]. Being a brash young stereotype, Lio Junior chases after Max B by himself and demands the Predacons fork over the control unit. Hellscream casually brushes his threat aside, telling Lio Junior to "go home and suck on his mother's breast". Lio Junior attacks, but it tossed aside by Hellscream without much effort. The other Maximals finally catch up and Lio Junior tells Skywarp and Santon its time to combine. Skywarp refuses, telling Lio Convoy that they aren't spiritually in sync enough to combine.

[[Image:Liojunior.jpg|250px|right|thumb|]]

Lio Junior gets frustrated and recklessly attacks Hellscream, snatching back the control unit. Hellscream responds by firing a powerful "Terrorstorm" blast at him. Tasmania Kid, however, leaps in front of him and takes the whole of the blast. Before he passes out, he tells Lio Junior that apparently there's nothing that can stop his selfish behavior. The Predacons then combine their power and attack the injured Maximals with a volley of firepower. Like a helpless little baby, Lio Junior cries and begs for them to please stop. Luckily, Lio Convoy and the other Maximals arrive just in time to stop them and scare them off.

The battle over and Kid not responding to treatment, Lio Convoy asks for a ''private'' meeting with Lio Junior. Lio Convoy scolds him, telling him that he ordered him to ''investigate'', not engage in battle. Lio Junior snaps back, saying that if it weren't for ''him'', the Predacons would have the control unit. Now, the Maximals have the power of the teleport gate in their hands. Lio Convoy tells him none of that matters, since it may be at the cost of Kid's life. He asks Lio Junior if the control unit was worth his friend's life. Lio Junior responds by saying he doesn't ''have'' any friends because everyone's always making fun of him and he just wanted to prove himself. Lio Convoy asks him if he's forgotten the ''reason'' the Maximals are fighting. Lio Junior apparently has, so Convoy reminds him that it's to protect the peace in the universe. He then says that anyone who has forgotten the Maximal reason for fighting is no comrade of his. Lio Junior throws a tantrum, saying he no longer wants to be a Maximal and that with the power of the control unit, he'll defeat the Predacons ''himself''. He then transforms and runs off.

As the Maximals fly off in the ''Yukikaze'', tending to a mortally wounded Tasmania Kid, Dirgegun reports to Galvatron on the ''Galvaburg II'' that the control unit is required to operate the teleport gate. Galvatron is apparently aware of Lio Junior's tantrum and mocks Lio Convoy's inability to take command of a single brat. He then finds Lio Junior alone in a forest and, with the rest of the Predacons, approaches him. Galvatron says that he came to help; the forest is full of dangerous animals and pitfalls. The Predacons will happily take the wayward cub in and protect him so long as he hands over the control unit. Lio Junior refuses. Galvatron then sits down and decides to tell him "the truth". The teleport gate is actually a doomsday weapon capable of destroying a whole planet. The Predacons activated it by mistake and now they need the control unit to shut it down, otherwise the planet will be destroyed in under an hour.

Lio Junior is about to buy it, when the still injured and bandaged Kid comes crawling out of the woods, warning Junior not to listen. Junior isn't sure who to believe, but decides that preventing the destruction of Gaea is a sure way to earn the respect of Lio Convoy and the others.

As Kid collapses, Junior returns with Galvatron to the ''Galvaburg II'' and hands over the control unit. Immediately, Galvatron orders Gigastorm to release the teleport gate and summon the most powerful and vicious Transformer in history: [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. Hellscream then throws Lio Junior in a cell and taunts him with the imminent destruction of the Maximals.

On the ''Yukikaze'', Kid returns and tells everyone that Lio Junior has defected to the Predacons. Lio Convoy swears to give him a lot more than a stearn talking to when they get him back, but Tasmania Kid urges them not to judge Junior so harshly. He says he knows how Lio Junior feels, as he was also a young runt trying to prove himself not long ago.

[[Image:GalvatronBW1.jpg|250px|left|thumb|"Yarr, it's drivin' me nuts!"]]

At the teleport gate, Gigastorm locks onto Megatron's wavelength and activates the machine. Three units pop out of the side of the ship, float into the sky and open up a triangular interdimensional doorway. Through it, something big, horrible and most certainly ''not'' Megatron falls through, nearly crushing the [[Autoroller]]s in the process. Galvatron smacks his brother for screwing up the coordinates and demands Hellscream find out what that thing is. Galvatron's mood changes when he learns that it is the great [[Majin Zarak]]. Majin Zarak transforms into a gigantic ''holy crap gonna kill you'' monster and Galvatron takes command of his control unit (an old fashioned nautical stearing wheel, oddly). After thanking Lio Junior via video phone for providing him with a weapon superior to Megatron, he uses Majin Zarak to destroy a gigantic iceberg and then transforms him to aircraft carrier mode.

At the ''Yukikaze'', their sensors discover the legendary Majin Zarak, much to everyone's horror. Lio Convoy orders them to attack, anyway. They arrive, only to find that Majin Zarak's aircraft carrier mode can ''also'' move over land. The Maximals attack in a small craft, but are quickly swatted away by Zarak's superior firepower. They decide to land and attack from the ground.

On the ''Galvaburg II'', Lio Junior breaks out of his cell and escapes. Thrustor and Diregun give chase, but luckily for Junior, Skywarp and Santon arrive to even the odds and fight them off. Skywarp invites Junior to help in the battle against Zarak, but Junior says there's a place they must go, first. Skywarp suggests they all go as one and the three of them fuse into [[Magnaboss II|Magnaboss]]. He gets blasted in the chest by the retreating Thrustor, though, and is forced to march to the alien ship with a bad injury. With his last ounce of strength, Magnaboss uses his own power source to charge the teleport gate and summons a mysterious figure.

[[Image:BWII-Majin Zarak blast.jpg|250px|right|thumb|Ahhh! Hairball!]]

Back at the canyon, the Maximals fight their way past the Autorollers, Hellscream and Max B, but are still overwhelmed by Majin Zarak's power. Lio Convoy makes it onto the carrier and sends Gigastorm flying away with his Lio Typhoon. Galvatron's decided he's had enough and transforms Majin Zarak into his frickin' Godzilla mode. Zarak then uses the three cannons on his back to destroy a whole mountain range and scatter the Maximals. Galvatron thinks he's won, but he suddenly receives a Maximal text message: "You think you've won, but we won't be defeated. Let us settle this. Come to point B-2. -Convoy"

Buried beneath tons of rock, Lio Convoy hears a familiar voice urging him to fight on. He explains that he was summoned by Magnaboss, a selfless warrior who used his own power to bring him here. Lio Convoy is sorry he underestimated Magnaboss (and by extension, Lio Junior) and asks who the mysterious warrior is. They shake hands and in a blast of light, the tons of rock are cleared. Magnaboss greets Lio Convoy and tells him he's rescued the other Maximals. He then introduces them to...wait for it...''wait for it''...
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[[image:OptimusPrimalAnimeOMG01.jpg|center|250px|thumb|]]

<center>[[Optimus Primal]]!</center>

The "legendary General Commander" swears to help the injured Maximals win at all costs. Lio Convoy decides that while he, Primal and Bighorn attack Majin Zarak, [[Scuba]], [[Apache]] and the rest will try and find his weak point. Magnaboss wants to fight, but Lio Convoy says he's too injured. Once again, Tasmania Kid convinces him to let the brat fight. The [[Insectron]]s then report that Majin Zarak is headed for point B-2, a narrow canyon where his bulky body will be useless. The Maximals then rally for their final battle.

[[image:DoubleConvoyTogetherAtLast01.jpg|250px|left|thumb|]]

At point B-2, Primal and Convoy confront Galvatron, much to his surprise to see the two warriors standing together. Galvatron attempts to rush the leaders, but with Tasmania Kid's power source channeling into him, Magnaboss is strong enough to pick the aircraft carrier up and hurl it onto its side. The blow knocks Galvatron out of the ship, but he's rescued by Gigastorm, who carries him off in his hovercraft mode.

Suddenly, Majin Zarak transforms on his own. Turns out, he's alive! Majin Zarak appears invincible until Diver chimes in, having just discovered his weak spot. The third eye on his forehead is where all his nerve centers are clustered. A direct hit will destroy him, just like in a video game!

[[image:FlashBurningConvoy01.jpg|right|250px|thumb|It's called style, people. Look it up.]]

Hearing this, Optimus Primal and Lio Convoy synchronize their [[Energon Matrix|Energon Matrices]] and upgrade into Flash Lio Convoy and Burning Convoy. Burning Convoy transforms to monkey mode and rides atop Flash Lio Convoy's lion mode. They then leap into Zarak's face and Burning Convoy lands a mighty punch into his third eye. Flying away, they then combine the power of the Energon Matrices into the "Double Matrix Blaster", destroy his eye and blow him to smithereens.

The battle won, they return to the teleport gate. Lio Junior begs Primal to stay, but he reminds them that he still has to win the Beast Wars on planet [[Earth|Energoa]]. Besides, he says, their army is fine just the way it is. Apache interjects and says that, after some research, he's concluded that because the device plays havoc with time and space, it could conceivable destroy the universe, hence why whoever built it sent it to Gaea to be destroyed. Optimus Primal then returns to his proper place and time and the Maximals destroy the gate behind him.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Maximal]]s|c1=

*[[DJ (BWII)|DJ]] (1)
*[[Motorarm (BWII)|Motorarm]] (2)
*[[Gimlet]] (3)
*[[Tripledacus]] (10)
*[[Apache]] (11)
*[[Diver (BWII)|Diver]] (12)
*[[Scuba]] (13)
*[[Lio Convoy]] (14)
*[[Bighorn]] (15)
*[[Tasmania Kid]] (22)
*[[Lio Junior]] (23)
*[[Santon]] (24)
*[[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]] (25)
*[[Magnaboss II|Magnaboss]] (30)
*[[Optimus Primal]] (31)
*[[Bigmos]] (33)
*[[Drill Nuts]] (34)
*[[Mantis]] (35)
*[[Powerhug (BWII)|Powerhug]] (36)
*[[Scissor Boy]] (37)
*[[Tonbot]] (38)

|h2=[[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]]|c2=

*[[Halfshell]] (4)
*[[Scylla]] (5)
*[[Coelagon]] (6)
*[[Sea Phantom]] (7)
*[[Terrormander]] (8)
*[[God Neptune]] (9)
*[[Megastorm|Gigastorm]] (16)
*[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] (17)
*[[BB|Max-B]] (18)
*[[Starscream (BWII)|Hellscream]] (19)
*[[Thrust (BWII)|Thrustor]] (20)
*[[Dirge (BWII)|Dirgegun]] (21)
*[[Autostinger]] (26)
*[[Autocrasher]] (27)
*[[Autolauncher]] (28)
*[[Majin Zarak]] (29)
*[[Autojetter]] (32)

}}

==Production staff==

*Director: Akira Nishimori
*Executive Producer: Tan Takaiwa, Hirohisa Sato, Tetsuya Suzuki, Yoshio Yamasaki, Araichi Miyagawa
*Producer: Kozo Itagaki, Yukihiro Akutsu, Reiko Sawa
*Unit Director: Tetsuya Watanabe, Tomoharu Katsumata
*General Animation Director: Takashi Yamamoto
*Screenplay: Nagata Toshiyasu
*Drafting: Hiroto Ishikawa
*Director of Photography: Hitoshi Torigoe
*Music: Masae Sagara
*Music producer: Hajime Tachihara, Hirokuni Maeyama
*Theme
**Opening song: "[[Space Dreamer: Haruka naru Beast Wars]]"
**Ending song: "[[My Shooting Star]]"
*Art director: Geki Katsumata
*Sound Director: Yoshikazu Iwanami
*Voice Director: Satake Tetsuya
*Editing: Hajime Taniguchi
*Character Design: Takashi Yamamoto
*Animation Cooperation: Tsuburaya Productions
*Production Team: "Beast Wars" Production Committee (Toei, Takara, [[WE'VE|AEON]], TV Tokyo)
*Distribution: Toei

==Notes==
*"Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" is the second portion of ''[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers]]'', starring the ''[[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' cast.

*Due to the presence of the [[Angolmois]] upgraded [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] but the overall lack of the ''[[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]'' as an immediate threat, this movie likely takes place between episode 32, "[[The Lio Convoy Assassination Plot]]", and episode 38, "[[Fly Out! Planet Gaea]]", of the ''[[Beast Wars II (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' animated series.

*While laying unconscious under a rock, Lio Convoy remarks that Optimus Primal's voice sounds "familiar" when Primal begins speaking to him via cyberspace. Subsequent media, notably ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', killed off Optimus Primal before he could survive to Lio Convoy's time thousands of years later. How he recognizes Primal's voice is unclear.

*Technically speaking, it is unclear just which "Megatron" Galvatron and his crew intended to summon across time and space: [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]] or [[Megatron (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Megatron]]. Occam's razor with Optimus Primal's appearance and the franchise focus at the time that this movie was released would indicate Galvatron was aiming for the ''Beast Wars'' character.

===Errors===
*The gun that Bighorn has in his mouth normally requires someone else to pull his tail for it to fire, yet in this movie he manages to fire it on his own.

==Home video releases==
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[[Category:Real world films]]

Talk:Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!

2012-06-06T01:17:27Z

JohnnyMrNinja: Talk:Lio Convoy , Close Call! moved to Talk:Lio Convoy, Close Call!

Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!

2012-06-06T01:17:27Z

JohnnyMrNinja: Lio Convoy , Close Call! moved to Lio Convoy, Close Call!

{{episode
|otherseries=''[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers]]'' part 2
|prev=Clash! Beast Warriors
|next=Bad Spark
|image=LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg
|caption=
|title="Lio Convoy , Close Call!"
|japanese=ライオコンボイ危機一髪!
|romaji=Lio Convoy Kikiippatsu!
|production company= "Beast Wars" Production Committee ([[Toei]], [[TakaraTomy|Takara]], [[we've|AEON]], [[TV Tokyo]])
|airdate=[[December 19]], 1998
|written by=[[Nagata Toshiyasu]]
|directed by=[[Akira Nishimori]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Beast Wars continuity]]
}}

'''Galvatron kicks the Beast Wars on Gaea into overdrive when he summons forth one of the greatest monstrosities of the past, Majin Zarak, to lay waste to the Maximals.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:BWII-Mysterious Ship Vs Combiners.jpg|250px|left|thumb|]]

Above the Planet [[Gaea]], where [[Lio Convoy]] and his [[Maximal]]s are fighting the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] against [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] and his [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], a strange ship appears. It disrupts a musical battle between the [[Jointron]]s and the [[Seacon (BWII)|Seacons]], plowing through them and breaking apart their combined forms. As the ship draws nearer, the radar on the ''[[Yukikaze (BWII)|Yukikaze]]'' warns the Maximals of its approach. They turn to Lio Convoy for directions. Lio Convoy rises with a twinkle in his eye.

Over on the ''[[Galvaburg II]]'', Galvatron and [[Megastorm|Gigastorm]] have discovered the approaching ship, too. Gigastorm recommends destroying it, but Galvatron has a "feeling" that it will bring the Predacons great fortune.

The ship crashes into the frozen tundra of Gaea's North Pole. [[Apache]] picks it up on his scanners and Lio Convoy orders a unit to investigate. [[Lio Junior]] begs to go, but the other Maximals shoot him down, telling him to go to his room and take a nap or whatever it is whippersnappers do these days. Lio Convoy orders Lio Junior to stay behind in case they need back-up, much to his dismay. [[Tasmania Kid]] interjects, asking Convoy to let Lio Junior go and that he'll take responsibility for him. Lio Convoy concedes and allows Lio Junior to participate.

Taking [[Santon]] and [[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]] along, Lio Junior and Tasmania Kid arrive in the frozen north. They then change to beast mode and begin searching. They eventually find the ship, seemingly abandoned, and Lio Junior wastes no time rushing inside to explore. Against Skywarp's advisement, Lio Junior begins pressing random buttons on a computer console and activates a teleport gate. No one knows what what a "teleport gate" is except Tasmania Kid (oddly). He explains that it is a device that can control space-time and pluck living creatures from any point in history, including Transformers! The computer, however, requires a "control unit" in order to function.

Lio Junior finds the control unit (a rock-like spear) inside a floating ball, but before he can grab it, [[BB|Max B]] drops in and swipes it. He then leaves and meets back up with [[Starscream (BWII)|Hellscream]], [[Thrust (BWII)|Thrustor]] and [[Dirge (BWII)|Dirgegun]]. Being a brash young stereotype, Lio Junior chases after Max B by himself and demands the Predacons fork over the control unit. Hellscream casually brushes his threat aside, telling Lio Junior to "go home and suck on his mother's breast". Lio Junior attacks, but it tossed aside by Hellscream without much effort. The other Maximals finally catch up and Lio Junior tells Skywarp and Santon its time to combine. Skywarp refuses, telling Lio Convoy that they aren't spiritually in sync enough to combine.

[[Image:Liojunior.jpg|250px|right|thumb|]]

Lio Junior gets frustrated and recklessly attacks Hellscream, snatching back the control unit. Hellscream responds by firing a powerful "Terrorstorm" blast at him. Tasmania Kid, however, leaps in front of him and takes the whole of the blast. Before he passes out, he tells Lio Junior that apparently there's nothing that can stop his selfish behavior. The Predacons then combine their power and attack the injured Maximals with a volley of firepower. Like a helpless little baby, Lio Junior cries and begs for them to please stop. Luckily, Lio Convoy and the other Maximals arrive just in time to stop them and scare them off.

The battle over and Kid not responding to treatment, Lio Convoy asks for a ''private'' meeting with Lio Junior. Lio Convoy scolds him, telling him that he ordered him to ''investigate'', not engage in battle. Lio Junior snaps back, saying that if it weren't for ''him'', the Predacons would have the control unit. Now, the Maximals have the power of the teleport gate in their hands. Lio Convoy tells him none of that matters, since it may be at the cost of Kid's life. He asks Lio Junior if the control unit was worth his friend's life. Lio Junior responds by saying he doesn't ''have'' any friends because everyone's always making fun of him and he just wanted to prove himself. Lio Convoy asks him if he's forgotten the ''reason'' the Maximals are fighting. Lio Junior apparently has, so Convoy reminds him that it's to protect the peace in the universe. He then says that anyone who has forgotten the Maximal reason for fighting is no comrade of his. Lio Junior throws a tantrum, saying he no longer wants to be a Maximal and that with the power of the control unit, he'll defeat the Predacons ''himself''. He then transforms and runs off.

As the Maximals fly off in the ''Yukikaze'', tending to a mortally wounded Tasmania Kid, Dirgegun reports to Galvatron on the ''Galvaburg II'' that the control unit is required to operate the teleport gate. Galvatron is apparently aware of Lio Junior's tantrum and mocks Lio Convoy's inability to take command of a single brat. He then finds Lio Junior alone in a forest and, with the rest of the Predacons, approaches him. Galvatron says that he came to help; the forest is full of dangerous animals and pitfalls. The Predacons will happily take the wayward cub in and protect him so long as he hands over the control unit. Lio Junior refuses. Galvatron then sits down and decides to tell him "the truth". The teleport gate is actually a doomsday weapon capable of destroying a whole planet. The Predacons activated it by mistake and now they need the control unit to shut it down, otherwise the planet will be destroyed in under an hour.

Lio Junior is about to buy it, when the still injured and bandaged Kid comes crawling out of the woods, warning Junior not to listen. Junior isn't sure who to believe, but decides that preventing the destruction of Gaea is a sure way to earn the respect of Lio Convoy and the others.

As Kid collapses, Junior returns with Galvatron to the ''Galvaburg II'' and hands over the control unit. Immediately, Galvatron orders Gigastorm to release the teleport gate and summon the most powerful and vicious Transformer in history: [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. Hellscream then throws Lio Junior in a cell and taunts him with the imminent destruction of the Maximals.

On the ''Yukikaze'', Kid returns and tells everyone that Lio Junior has defected to the Predacons. Lio Convoy swears to give him a lot more than a stearn talking to when they get him back, but Tasmania Kid urges them not to judge Junior so harshly. He says he knows how Lio Junior feels, as he was also a young runt trying to prove himself not long ago.

[[Image:GalvatronBW1.jpg|250px|left|thumb|"Yarr, it's drivin' me nuts!"]]

At the teleport gate, Gigastorm locks onto Megatron's wavelength and activates the machine. Three units pop out of the side of the ship, float into the sky and open up a triangular interdimensional doorway. Through it, something big, horrible and most certainly ''not'' Megatron falls through, nearly crushing the [[Autoroller]]s in the process. Galvatron smacks his brother for screwing up the coordinates and demands Hellscream find out what that thing is. Galvatron's mood changes when he learns that it is the great [[Majin Zarak]]. Majin Zarak transforms into a gigantic ''holy crap gonna kill you'' monster and Galvatron takes command of his control unit (an old fashioned nautical stearing wheel, oddly). After thanking Lio Junior via video phone for providing him with a weapon superior to Megatron, he uses Majin Zarak to destroy a gigantic iceberg and then transforms him to aircraft carrier mode.

At the ''Yukikaze'', their sensors discover the legendary Majin Zarak, much to everyone's horror. Lio Convoy orders them to attack, anyway. They arrive, only to find that Majin Zarak's aircraft carrier mode can ''also'' move over land. The Maximals attack in a small craft, but are quickly swatted away by Zarak's superior firepower. They decide to land and attack from the ground.

On the ''Galvaburg II'', Lio Junior breaks out of his cell and escapes. Thrustor and Diregun give chase, but luckily for Junior, Skywarp and Santon arrive to even the odds and fight them off. Skywarp invites Junior to help in the battle against Zarak, but Junior says there's a place they must go, first. Skywarp suggests they all go as one and the three of them fuse into [[Magnaboss II|Magnaboss]]. He gets blasted in the chest by the retreating Thrustor, though, and is forced to march to the alien ship with a bad injury. With his last ounce of strength, Magnaboss uses his own power source to charge the teleport gate and summons a mysterious figure.

[[Image:BWII-Majin Zarak blast.jpg|250px|right|thumb|Ahhh! Hairball!]]

Back at the canyon, the Maximals fight their way past the Autorollers, Hellscream and Max B, but are still overwhelmed by Majin Zarak's power. Lio Convoy makes it onto the carrier and sends Gigastorm flying away with his Lio Typhoon. Galvatron's decided he's had enough and transforms Majin Zarak into his frickin' Godzilla mode. Zarak then uses the three cannons on his back to destroy a whole mountain range and scatter the Maximals. Galvatron thinks he's won, but he suddenly receives a Maximal text message: "You think you've won, but we won't be defeated. Let us settle this. Come to point B-2. -Convoy"

Buried beneath tons of rock, Lio Convoy hears a familiar voice urging him to fight on. He explains that he was summoned by Magnaboss, a selfless warrior who used his own power to bring him here. Lio Convoy is sorry he underestimated Magnaboss (and by extension, Lio Junior) and asks who the mysterious warrior is. They shake hands and in a blast of light, the tons of rock are cleared. Magnaboss greets Lio Convoy and tells him he's rescued the other Maximals. He then introduces them to...wait for it...''wait for it''...
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[[image:OptimusPrimalAnimeOMG01.jpg|center|250px|thumb|]]

<center>[[Optimus Primal]]!</center>

The "legendary General Commander" swears to help the injured Maximals win at all costs. Lio Convoy decides that while he, Primal and Bighorn attack Majin Zarak, [[Scuba]], [[Apache]] and the rest will try and find his weak point. Magnaboss wants to fight, but Lio Convoy says he's too injured. Once again, Tasmania Kid convinces him to let the brat fight. The [[Insectron]]s then report that Majin Zarak is headed for point B-2, a narrow canyon where his bulky body will be useless. The Maximals then rally for their final battle.

[[image:DoubleConvoyTogetherAtLast01.jpg|250px|left|thumb|]]

At point B-2, Primal and Convoy confront Galvatron, much to his surprise to see the two warriors standing together. Galvatron attempts to rush the leaders, but with Tasmania Kid's power source channeling into him, Magnaboss is strong enough to pick the aircraft carrier up and hurl it onto its side. The blow knocks Galvatron out of the ship, but he's rescued by Gigastorm, who carries him off in his hovercraft mode.

Suddenly, Majin Zarak transforms on his own. Turns out, he's alive! Majin Zarak appears invincible until Diver chimes in, having just discovered his weak spot. The third eye on his forehead is where all his nerve centers are clustered. A direct hit will destroy him, just like in a video game!

[[image:FlashBurningConvoy01.jpg|right|250px|thumb|It's called style, people. Look it up.]]

Hearing this, Optimus Primal and Lio Convoy synchronize their [[Energon Matrix|Energon Matrices]] and upgrade into Flash Lio Convoy and Burning Convoy. Burning Convoy transforms to monkey mode and rides atop Flash Lio Convoy's lion mode. They then leap into Zarak's face and Burning Convoy lands a mighty punch into his third eye. Flying away, they then combine the power of the Energon Matrices into the "Double Matrix Blaster", destroy his eye and blow him to smithereens.

The battle won, they return to the teleport gate. Lio Junior begs Primal to stay, but he reminds them that he still has to win the Beast Wars on planet [[Earth|Energoa]]. Besides, he says, their army is fine just the way it is. Apache interjects and says that, after some research, he's concluded that because the device plays havoc with time and space, it could conceivable destroy the universe, hence why whoever built it sent it to Gaea to be destroyed. Optimus Primal then returns to his proper place and time and the Maximals destroy the gate behind him.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Maximal]]s|c1=

*[[DJ (BWII)|DJ]] (1)
*[[Motorarm (BWII)|Motorarm]] (2)
*[[Gimlet]] (3)
*[[Tripledacus]] (10)
*[[Apache]] (11)
*[[Diver (BWII)|Diver]] (12)
*[[Scuba]] (13)
*[[Lio Convoy]] (14)
*[[Bighorn]] (15)
*[[Tasmania Kid]] (22)
*[[Lio Junior]] (23)
*[[Santon]] (24)
*[[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]] (25)
*[[Magnaboss II|Magnaboss]] (30)
*[[Optimus Primal]] (31)
*[[Bigmos]] (33)
*[[Drill Nuts]] (34)
*[[Mantis]] (35)
*[[Powerhug (BWII)|Powerhug]] (36)
*[[Scissor Boy]] (37)
*[[Tonbot]] (38)

|h2=[[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]]|c2=

*[[Halfshell]] (4)
*[[Scylla]] (5)
*[[Coelagon]] (6)
*[[Sea Phantom]] (7)
*[[Terrormander]] (8)
*[[God Neptune]] (9)
*[[Megastorm|Gigastorm]] (16)
*[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] (17)
*[[BB|Max-B]] (18)
*[[Starscream (BWII)|Hellscream]] (19)
*[[Thrust (BWII)|Thrustor]] (20)
*[[Dirge (BWII)|Dirgegun]] (21)
*[[Autostinger]] (26)
*[[Autocrasher]] (27)
*[[Autolauncher]] (28)
*[[Majin Zarak]] (29)
*[[Autojetter]] (32)

}}

==Production staff==

*Director: Akira Nishimori
*Executive Producer: Tan Takaiwa, Hirohisa Sato, Tetsuya Suzuki, Yoshio Yamasaki, Araichi Miyagawa
*Producer: Kozo Itagaki, Yukihiro Akutsu, Reiko Sawa
*Unit Director: Tetsuya Watanabe, Tomoharu Katsumata
*General Animation Director: Takashi Yamamoto
*Screenplay: Nagata Toshiyasu
*Drafting: Hiroto Ishikawa
*Director of Photography: Hitoshi Torigoe
*Music: Masae Sagara
*Music producer: Hajime Tachihara, Hirokuni Maeyama
*Theme
**Opening song: "[[Space Dreamer: Haruka naru Beast Wars]]"
**Ending song: "[[My Shooting Star]]"
*Art director: Geki Katsumata
*Sound Director: Yoshikazu Iwanami
*Voice Director: Satake Tetsuya
*Editing: Hajime Taniguchi
*Character Design: Takashi Yamamoto
*Animation Cooperation: Tsuburaya Productions
*Production Team: "Beast Wars" Production Committee (Toei, Takara, [[WE'VE|AEON]], TV Tokyo)
*Distribution: Toei

==Notes==
*"Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" is the second portion of ''[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers]]'', starring the ''[[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' cast.

*Due to the presence of the [[Angolmois]] upgraded [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] but the overall lack of the ''[[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]'' as an immediate threat, this movie likely takes place between episode 32, "[[The Lio Convoy Assassination Plot]]", and episode 38, "[[Fly Out! Planet Gaea]]", of the ''[[Beast Wars II (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' animated series.

*While laying unconscious under a rock, Lio Convoy remarks that Optimus Primal's voice sounds "familiar" when Primal begins speaking to him via cyberspace. Subsequent media, notably ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', killed off Optimus Primal before he could survive to Lio Convoy's time thousands of years later. How he recognizes Primal's voice is unclear.

*Technically speaking, it is unclear just which "Megatron" Galvatron and his crew intended to summon across time and space: [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]] or [[Megatron (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Megatron]]. Occam's razor with Optimus Primal's appearance and the franchise focus at the time that this movie was released would indicate Galvatron was aiming for the ''Beast Wars'' character.

===Errors===
*The gun that Bighorn has in his mouth normally requires someone else to pull his tail for it to fire, yet in this movie he manages to fire it on his own.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote|japanese}}
;VHS
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Special'' — Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!! ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]])
;Laserdisc / DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''Beast Wars: Transformers Special'' (Pioneer LDC)

[[Category:Beast Wars II episodes]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!

2012-06-06T01:16:40Z

JohnnyMrNinja: Lio Convoy , Close Call!

{{episode
|otherseries=''[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers]]'' part 2
|prev=Clash! Beast Warriors
|next=Bad Spark
|image=LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg
|caption=
|title="Lio Convoy , Close Call!"
|japanese=ライオコンボイ危機一髪!
|romaji=Lio Convoy Kikiippatsu!
|production company= "Beast Wars" Production Committee ([[Toei]], [[TakaraTomy|Takara]], [[we've|AEON]], [[TV Tokyo]])
|airdate=[[December 19]], 1998
|written by=[[Nagata Toshiyasu]]
|directed by=[[Akira Nishimori]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Beast Wars continuity]]
}}

'''Galvatron kicks the Beast Wars on Gaea into overdrive when he summons forth one of the greatest monstrosities of the past, Majin Zarak, to lay waste to the Maximals.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:BWII-Mysterious Ship Vs Combiners.jpg|250px|left|thumb|]]

Above the Planet [[Gaea]], where [[Lio Convoy]] and his [[Maximal]]s are fighting the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] against [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] and his [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], a strange ship appears. It disrupts a musical battle between the [[Jointron]]s and the [[Seacon (BWII)|Seacons]], plowing through them and breaking apart their combined forms. As the ship draws nearer, the radar on the ''[[Yukikaze (BWII)|Yukikaze]]'' warns the Maximals of its approach. They turn to Lio Convoy for directions. Lio Convoy rises with a twinkle in his eye.

Over on the ''[[Galvaburg II]]'', Galvatron and [[Megastorm|Gigastorm]] have discovered the approaching ship, too. Gigastorm recommends destroying it, but Galvatron has a "feeling" that it will bring the Predacons great fortune.

The ship crashes into the frozen tundra of Gaea's North Pole. [[Apache]] picks it up on his scanners and Lio Convoy orders a unit to investigate. [[Lio Junior]] begs to go, but the other Maximals shoot him down, telling him to go to his room and take a nap or whatever it is whippersnappers do these days. Lio Convoy orders Lio Junior to stay behind in case they need back-up, much to his dismay. [[Tasmania Kid]] interjects, asking Convoy to let Lio Junior go and that he'll take responsibility for him. Lio Convoy concedes and allows Lio Junior to participate.

Taking [[Santon]] and [[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]] along, Lio Junior and Tasmania Kid arrive in the frozen north. They then change to beast mode and begin searching. They eventually find the ship, seemingly abandoned, and Lio Junior wastes no time rushing inside to explore. Against Skywarp's advisement, Lio Junior begins pressing random buttons on a computer console and activates a teleport gate. No one knows what what a "teleport gate" is except Tasmania Kid (oddly). He explains that it is a device that can control space-time and pluck living creatures from any point in history, including Transformers! The computer, however, requires a "control unit" in order to function.

Lio Junior finds the control unit (a rock-like spear) inside a floating ball, but before he can grab it, [[BB|Max B]] drops in and swipes it. He then leaves and meets back up with [[Starscream (BWII)|Hellscream]], [[Thrust (BWII)|Thrustor]] and [[Dirge (BWII)|Dirgegun]]. Being a brash young stereotype, Lio Junior chases after Max B by himself and demands the Predacons fork over the control unit. Hellscream casually brushes his threat aside, telling Lio Junior to "go home and suck on his mother's breast". Lio Junior attacks, but it tossed aside by Hellscream without much effort. The other Maximals finally catch up and Lio Junior tells Skywarp and Santon its time to combine. Skywarp refuses, telling Lio Convoy that they aren't spiritually in sync enough to combine.

[[Image:Liojunior.jpg|250px|right|thumb|]]

Lio Junior gets frustrated and recklessly attacks Hellscream, snatching back the control unit. Hellscream responds by firing a powerful "Terrorstorm" blast at him. Tasmania Kid, however, leaps in front of him and takes the whole of the blast. Before he passes out, he tells Lio Junior that apparently there's nothing that can stop his selfish behavior. The Predacons then combine their power and attack the injured Maximals with a volley of firepower. Like a helpless little baby, Lio Junior cries and begs for them to please stop. Luckily, Lio Convoy and the other Maximals arrive just in time to stop them and scare them off.

The battle over and Kid not responding to treatment, Lio Convoy asks for a ''private'' meeting with Lio Junior. Lio Convoy scolds him, telling him that he ordered him to ''investigate'', not engage in battle. Lio Junior snaps back, saying that if it weren't for ''him'', the Predacons would have the control unit. Now, the Maximals have the power of the teleport gate in their hands. Lio Convoy tells him none of that matters, since it may be at the cost of Kid's life. He asks Lio Junior if the control unit was worth his friend's life. Lio Junior responds by saying he doesn't ''have'' any friends because everyone's always making fun of him and he just wanted to prove himself. Lio Convoy asks him if he's forgotten the ''reason'' the Maximals are fighting. Lio Junior apparently has, so Convoy reminds him that it's to protect the peace in the universe. He then says that anyone who has forgotten the Maximal reason for fighting is no comrade of his. Lio Junior throws a tantrum, saying he no longer wants to be a Maximal and that with the power of the control unit, he'll defeat the Predacons ''himself''. He then transforms and runs off.

As the Maximals fly off in the ''Yukikaze'', tending to a mortally wounded Tasmania Kid, Dirgegun reports to Galvatron on the ''Galvaburg II'' that the control unit is required to operate the teleport gate. Galvatron is apparently aware of Lio Junior's tantrum and mocks Lio Convoy's inability to take command of a single brat. He then finds Lio Junior alone in a forest and, with the rest of the Predacons, approaches him. Galvatron says that he came to help; the forest is full of dangerous animals and pitfalls. The Predacons will happily take the wayward cub in and protect him so long as he hands over the control unit. Lio Junior refuses. Galvatron then sits down and decides to tell him "the truth". The teleport gate is actually a doomsday weapon capable of destroying a whole planet. The Predacons activated it by mistake and now they need the control unit to shut it down, otherwise the planet will be destroyed in under an hour.

Lio Junior is about to buy it, when the still injured and bandaged Kid comes crawling out of the woods, warning Junior not to listen. Junior isn't sure who to believe, but decides that preventing the destruction of Gaea is a sure way to earn the respect of Lio Convoy and the others.

As Kid collapses, Junior returns with Galvatron to the ''Galvaburg II'' and hands over the control unit. Immediately, Galvatron orders Gigastorm to release the teleport gate and summon the most powerful and vicious Transformer in history: [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. Hellscream then throws Lio Junior in a cell and taunts him with the imminent destruction of the Maximals.

On the ''Yukikaze'', Kid returns and tells everyone that Lio Junior has defected to the Predacons. Lio Convoy swears to give him a lot more than a stearn talking to when they get him back, but Tasmania Kid urges them not to judge Junior so harshly. He says he knows how Lio Junior feels, as he was also a young runt trying to prove himself not long ago.

[[Image:GalvatronBW1.jpg|250px|left|thumb|"Yarr, it's drivin' me nuts!"]]

At the teleport gate, Gigastorm locks onto Megatron's wavelength and activates the machine. Three units pop out of the side of the ship, float into the sky and open up a triangular interdimensional doorway. Through it, something big, horrible and most certainly ''not'' Megatron falls through, nearly crushing the [[Autoroller]]s in the process. Galvatron smacks his brother for screwing up the coordinates and demands Hellscream find out what that thing is. Galvatron's mood changes when he learns that it is the great [[Majin Zarak]]. Majin Zarak transforms into a gigantic ''holy crap gonna kill you'' monster and Galvatron takes command of his control unit (an old fashioned nautical stearing wheel, oddly). After thanking Lio Junior via video phone for providing him with a weapon superior to Megatron, he uses Majin Zarak to destroy a gigantic iceberg and then transforms him to aircraft carrier mode.

At the ''Yukikaze'', their sensors discover the legendary Majin Zarak, much to everyone's horror. Lio Convoy orders them to attack, anyway. They arrive, only to find that Majin Zarak's aircraft carrier mode can ''also'' move over land. The Maximals attack in a small craft, but are quickly swatted away by Zarak's superior firepower. They decide to land and attack from the ground.

On the ''Galvaburg II'', Lio Junior breaks out of his cell and escapes. Thrustor and Diregun give chase, but luckily for Junior, Skywarp and Santon arrive to even the odds and fight them off. Skywarp invites Junior to help in the battle against Zarak, but Junior says there's a place they must go, first. Skywarp suggests they all go as one and the three of them fuse into [[Magnaboss II|Magnaboss]]. He gets blasted in the chest by the retreating Thrustor, though, and is forced to march to the alien ship with a bad injury. With his last ounce of strength, Magnaboss uses his own power source to charge the teleport gate and summons a mysterious figure.

[[Image:BWII-Majin Zarak blast.jpg|250px|right|thumb|Ahhh! Hairball!]]

Back at the canyon, the Maximals fight their way past the Autorollers, Hellscream and Max B, but are still overwhelmed by Majin Zarak's power. Lio Convoy makes it onto the carrier and sends Gigastorm flying away with his Lio Typhoon. Galvatron's decided he's had enough and transforms Majin Zarak into his frickin' Godzilla mode. Zarak then uses the three cannons on his back to destroy a whole mountain range and scatter the Maximals. Galvatron thinks he's won, but he suddenly receives a Maximal text message: "You think you've won, but we won't be defeated. Let us settle this. Come to point B-2. -Convoy"

Buried beneath tons of rock, Lio Convoy hears a familiar voice urging him to fight on. He explains that he was summoned by Magnaboss, a selfless warrior who used his own power to bring him here. Lio Convoy is sorry he underestimated Magnaboss (and by extension, Lio Junior) and asks who the mysterious warrior is. They shake hands and in a blast of light, the tons of rock are cleared. Magnaboss greets Lio Convoy and tells him he's rescued the other Maximals. He then introduces them to...wait for it...''wait for it''...
{{-}}
[[image:OptimusPrimalAnimeOMG01.jpg|center|250px|thumb|]]

<center>[[Optimus Primal]]!</center>

The "legendary General Commander" swears to help the injured Maximals win at all costs. Lio Convoy decides that while he, Primal and Bighorn attack Majin Zarak, [[Scuba]], [[Apache]] and the rest will try and find his weak point. Magnaboss wants to fight, but Lio Convoy says he's too injured. Once again, Tasmania Kid convinces him to let the brat fight. The [[Insectron]]s then report that Majin Zarak is headed for point B-2, a narrow canyon where his bulky body will be useless. The Maximals then rally for their final battle.

[[image:DoubleConvoyTogetherAtLast01.jpg|250px|left|thumb|]]

At point B-2, Primal and Convoy confront Galvatron, much to his surprise to see the two warriors standing together. Galvatron attempts to rush the leaders, but with Tasmania Kid's power source channeling into him, Magnaboss is strong enough to pick the aircraft carrier up and hurl it onto its side. The blow knocks Galvatron out of the ship, but he's rescued by Gigastorm, who carries him off in his hovercraft mode.

Suddenly, Majin Zarak transforms on his own. Turns out, he's alive! Majin Zarak appears invincible until Diver chimes in, having just discovered his weak spot. The third eye on his forehead is where all his nerve centers are clustered. A direct hit will destroy him, just like in a video game!

[[image:FlashBurningConvoy01.jpg|right|250px|thumb|It's called style, people. Look it up.]]

Hearing this, Optimus Primal and Lio Convoy synchronize their [[Energon Matrix|Energon Matrices]] and upgrade into Flash Lio Convoy and Burning Convoy. Burning Convoy transforms to monkey mode and rides atop Flash Lio Convoy's lion mode. They then leap into Zarak's face and Burning Convoy lands a mighty punch into his third eye. Flying away, they then combine the power of the Energon Matrices into the "Double Matrix Blaster", destroy his eye and blow him to smithereens.

The battle won, they return to the teleport gate. Lio Junior begs Primal to stay, but he reminds them that he still has to win the Beast Wars on planet [[Earth|Energoa]]. Besides, he says, their army is fine just the way it is. Apache interjects and says that, after some research, he's concluded that because the device plays havoc with time and space, it could conceivable destroy the universe, hence why whoever built it sent it to Gaea to be destroyed. Optimus Primal then returns to his proper place and time and the Maximals destroy the gate behind him.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Maximal]]s|c1=

*[[DJ (BWII)|DJ]] (1)
*[[Motorarm (BWII)|Motorarm]] (2)
*[[Gimlet]] (3)
*[[Tripledacus]] (10)
*[[Apache]] (11)
*[[Diver (BWII)|Diver]] (12)
*[[Scuba]] (13)
*[[Lio Convoy]] (14)
*[[Bighorn]] (15)
*[[Tasmania Kid]] (22)
*[[Lio Junior]] (23)
*[[Santon]] (24)
*[[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]] (25)
*[[Magnaboss II|Magnaboss]] (30)
*[[Optimus Primal]] (31)
*[[Bigmos]] (33)
*[[Drill Nuts]] (34)
*[[Mantis]] (35)
*[[Powerhug (BWII)|Powerhug]] (36)
*[[Scissor Boy]] (37)
*[[Tonbot]] (38)

|h2=[[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]]|c2=

*[[Halfshell]] (4)
*[[Scylla]] (5)
*[[Coelagon]] (6)
*[[Sea Phantom]] (7)
*[[Terrormander]] (8)
*[[God Neptune]] (9)
*[[Megastorm|Gigastorm]] (16)
*[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] (17)
*[[BB|Max-B]] (18)
*[[Starscream (BWII)|Hellscream]] (19)
*[[Thrust (BWII)|Thrustor]] (20)
*[[Dirge (BWII)|Dirgegun]] (21)
*[[Autostinger]] (26)
*[[Autocrasher]] (27)
*[[Autolauncher]] (28)
*[[Majin Zarak]] (29)
*[[Autojetter]] (32)

}}

==Production staff==

*Director: Akira Nishimori
*Executive Producer: Tan Takaiwa, Hirohisa Sato, Tetsuya Suzuki, Yoshio Yamasaki, Araichi Miyagawa
*Producer: Kozo Itagaki, Yukihiro Akutsu, Reiko Sawa
*Unit Director: Tetsuya Watanabe, Tomoharu Katsumata
*General Animation Director: Takashi Yamamoto
*Screenplay: Nagata Toshiyasu
*Drafting: Hiroto Ishikawa
*Director of Photography: Hitoshi Torigoe
*Music: Masae Sagara
*Music producer: Hajime Tachihara, Hirokuni Maeyama
*Theme
**Opening song: "[[Space Dreamer: Haruka naru Beast Wars]]"
**Ending song: "[[My Shooting Star]]"
*Art director: Geki Katsumata
*Sound Director: Yoshikazu Iwanami
*Voice Director: Satake Tetsuya
*Editing: Hajime Taniguchi
*Character Design: Takashi Yamamoto
*Animation Cooperation: Tsuburaya Productions
*Production Team: "Beast Wars" Production Committee (Toei, Takara, [[WE'VE|AEON]], TV Tokyo)
*Distribution: Toei

==Notes==
*"Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" is the second portion of ''[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers]]'', starring the ''[[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' cast.

*Due to the presence of the [[Angolmois]] upgraded [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] but the overall lack of the ''[[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]'' as an immediate threat, this movie likely takes place between episode 32, "[[The Lio Convoy Assassination Plot]]", and episode 38, "[[Fly Out! Planet Gaea]]", of the ''[[Beast Wars II (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' animated series.

*While laying unconscious under a rock, Lio Convoy remarks that Optimus Primal's voice sounds "familiar" when Primal begins speaking to him via cyberspace. Subsequent media, notably ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', killed off Optimus Primal before he could survive to Lio Convoy's time thousands of years later. How he recognizes Primal's voice is unclear.

*Technically speaking, it is unclear just which "Megatron" Galvatron and his crew intended to summon across time and space: [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]] or [[Megatron (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Megatron]]. Occam's razor with Optimus Primal's appearance and the franchise focus at the time that this movie was released would indicate Galvatron was aiming for the ''Beast Wars'' character.

===Errors===
*The gun that Bighorn has in his mouth normally requires someone else to pull his tail for it to fire, yet in this movie he manages to fire it on his own.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote|japanese}}
;VHS
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Special'' — Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!! ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]])
;Laserdisc / DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''Beast Wars: Transformers Special'' (Pioneer LDC)

[[Category:Beast Wars II episodes]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger

2012-06-06T01:15:57Z

JohnnyMrNinja: Redirecting to Lio Convoy , Close Call!

#REDIRECT [[Lio Convoy , Close Call!]]

Talk:Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!

2012-06-06T01:15:24Z

JohnnyMrNinja: Talk:Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger! moved to Talk:Lio Convoy , Close Call!: closer literal translation (including comma) 危機一髪! means danger is/was "close", not "soon"

Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!

2012-06-06T01:15:22Z

JohnnyMrNinja: Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger! moved to Lio Convoy , Close Call!: closer literal translation (including comma) 危機一髪! means danger is/was "close", not "soon"

{{episode
|otherseries=''[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers]]'' part 2
|prev=Clash! Beast Warriors
|next=Bad Spark
|image=LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg
|caption=
|title="Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!"
|japanese=ライオコンボイ危機一髪!
|romaji=Lio Convoy Kikiippatsu!
|production company= "Beast Wars" Production Committee ([[Toei]], [[TakaraTomy|Takara]], [[we've|AEON]], [[TV Tokyo]])
|airdate=[[December 19]], 1998
|written by=[[Nagata Toshiyasu]]
|directed by=[[Akira Nishimori]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|continuity=[[Beast Wars continuity]]
}}

'''Galvatron kicks the Beast Wars on Gaea into overdrive when he summons forth one of the greatest monstrosities of the past, Majin Zarak, to lay waste to the Maximals.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:BWII-Mysterious Ship Vs Combiners.jpg|250px|left|thumb|]]

Above the Planet [[Gaea]], where [[Lio Convoy]] and his [[Maximal]]s are fighting the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] against [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] and his [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], a strange ship appears. It disrupts a musical battle between the [[Jointron]]s and the [[Seacon (BWII)|Seacons]], plowing through them and breaking apart their combined forms. As the ship draws nearer, the radar on the ''[[Yukikaze (BWII)|Yukikaze]]'' warns the Maximals of its approach. They turn to Lio Convoy for directions. Lio Convoy rises with a twinkle in his eye.

Over on the ''[[Galvaburg II]]'', Galvatron and [[Megastorm|Gigastorm]] have discovered the approaching ship, too. Gigastorm recommends destroying it, but Galvatron has a "feeling" that it will bring the Predacons great fortune.

The ship crashes into the frozen tundra of Gaea's North Pole. [[Apache]] picks it up on his scanners and Lio Convoy orders a unit to investigate. [[Lio Junior]] begs to go, but the other Maximals shoot him down, telling him to go to his room and take a nap or whatever it is whippersnappers do these days. Lio Convoy orders Lio Junior to stay behind in case they need back-up, much to his dismay. [[Tasmania Kid]] interjects, asking Convoy to let Lio Junior go and that he'll take responsibility for him. Lio Convoy concedes and allows Lio Junior to participate.

Taking [[Santon]] and [[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]] along, Lio Junior and Tasmania Kid arrive in the frozen north. They then change to beast mode and begin searching. They eventually find the ship, seemingly abandoned, and Lio Junior wastes no time rushing inside to explore. Against Skywarp's advisement, Lio Junior begins pressing random buttons on a computer console and activates a teleport gate. No one knows what what a "teleport gate" is except Tasmania Kid (oddly). He explains that it is a device that can control space-time and pluck living creatures from any point in history, including Transformers! The computer, however, requires a "control unit" in order to function.

Lio Junior finds the control unit (a rock-like spear) inside a floating ball, but before he can grab it, [[BB|Max B]] drops in and swipes it. He then leaves and meets back up with [[Starscream (BWII)|Hellscream]], [[Thrust (BWII)|Thrustor]] and [[Dirge (BWII)|Dirgegun]]. Being a brash young stereotype, Lio Junior chases after Max B by himself and demands the Predacons fork over the control unit. Hellscream casually brushes his threat aside, telling Lio Junior to "go home and suck on his mother's breast". Lio Junior attacks, but it tossed aside by Hellscream without much effort. The other Maximals finally catch up and Lio Junior tells Skywarp and Santon its time to combine. Skywarp refuses, telling Lio Convoy that they aren't spiritually in sync enough to combine.

[[Image:Liojunior.jpg|250px|right|thumb|]]

Lio Junior gets frustrated and recklessly attacks Hellscream, snatching back the control unit. Hellscream responds by firing a powerful "Terrorstorm" blast at him. Tasmania Kid, however, leaps in front of him and takes the whole of the blast. Before he passes out, he tells Lio Junior that apparently there's nothing that can stop his selfish behavior. The Predacons then combine their power and attack the injured Maximals with a volley of firepower. Like a helpless little baby, Lio Junior cries and begs for them to please stop. Luckily, Lio Convoy and the other Maximals arrive just in time to stop them and scare them off.

The battle over and Kid not responding to treatment, Lio Convoy asks for a ''private'' meeting with Lio Junior. Lio Convoy scolds him, telling him that he ordered him to ''investigate'', not engage in battle. Lio Junior snaps back, saying that if it weren't for ''him'', the Predacons would have the control unit. Now, the Maximals have the power of the teleport gate in their hands. Lio Convoy tells him none of that matters, since it may be at the cost of Kid's life. He asks Lio Junior if the control unit was worth his friend's life. Lio Junior responds by saying he doesn't ''have'' any friends because everyone's always making fun of him and he just wanted to prove himself. Lio Convoy asks him if he's forgotten the ''reason'' the Maximals are fighting. Lio Junior apparently has, so Convoy reminds him that it's to protect the peace in the universe. He then says that anyone who has forgotten the Maximal reason for fighting is no comrade of his. Lio Junior throws a tantrum, saying he no longer wants to be a Maximal and that with the power of the control unit, he'll defeat the Predacons ''himself''. He then transforms and runs off.

As the Maximals fly off in the ''Yukikaze'', tending to a mortally wounded Tasmania Kid, Dirgegun reports to Galvatron on the ''Galvaburg II'' that the control unit is required to operate the teleport gate. Galvatron is apparently aware of Lio Junior's tantrum and mocks Lio Convoy's inability to take command of a single brat. He then finds Lio Junior alone in a forest and, with the rest of the Predacons, approaches him. Galvatron says that he came to help; the forest is full of dangerous animals and pitfalls. The Predacons will happily take the wayward cub in and protect him so long as he hands over the control unit. Lio Junior refuses. Galvatron then sits down and decides to tell him "the truth". The teleport gate is actually a doomsday weapon capable of destroying a whole planet. The Predacons activated it by mistake and now they need the control unit to shut it down, otherwise the planet will be destroyed in under an hour.

Lio Junior is about to buy it, when the still injured and bandaged Kid comes crawling out of the woods, warning Junior not to listen. Junior isn't sure who to believe, but decides that preventing the destruction of Gaea is a sure way to earn the respect of Lio Convoy and the others.

As Kid collapses, Junior returns with Galvatron to the ''Galvaburg II'' and hands over the control unit. Immediately, Galvatron orders Gigastorm to release the teleport gate and summon the most powerful and vicious Transformer in history: [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. Hellscream then throws Lio Junior in a cell and taunts him with the imminent destruction of the Maximals.

On the ''Yukikaze'', Kid returns and tells everyone that Lio Junior has defected to the Predacons. Lio Convoy swears to give him a lot more than a stearn talking to when they get him back, but Tasmania Kid urges them not to judge Junior so harshly. He says he knows how Lio Junior feels, as he was also a young runt trying to prove himself not long ago.

[[Image:GalvatronBW1.jpg|250px|left|thumb|"Yarr, it's drivin' me nuts!"]]

At the teleport gate, Gigastorm locks onto Megatron's wavelength and activates the machine. Three units pop out of the side of the ship, float into the sky and open up a triangular interdimensional doorway. Through it, something big, horrible and most certainly ''not'' Megatron falls through, nearly crushing the [[Autoroller]]s in the process. Galvatron smacks his brother for screwing up the coordinates and demands Hellscream find out what that thing is. Galvatron's mood changes when he learns that it is the great [[Majin Zarak]]. Majin Zarak transforms into a gigantic ''holy crap gonna kill you'' monster and Galvatron takes command of his control unit (an old fashioned nautical stearing wheel, oddly). After thanking Lio Junior via video phone for providing him with a weapon superior to Megatron, he uses Majin Zarak to destroy a gigantic iceberg and then transforms him to aircraft carrier mode.

At the ''Yukikaze'', their sensors discover the legendary Majin Zarak, much to everyone's horror. Lio Convoy orders them to attack, anyway. They arrive, only to find that Majin Zarak's aircraft carrier mode can ''also'' move over land. The Maximals attack in a small craft, but are quickly swatted away by Zarak's superior firepower. They decide to land and attack from the ground.

On the ''Galvaburg II'', Lio Junior breaks out of his cell and escapes. Thrustor and Diregun give chase, but luckily for Junior, Skywarp and Santon arrive to even the odds and fight them off. Skywarp invites Junior to help in the battle against Zarak, but Junior says there's a place they must go, first. Skywarp suggests they all go as one and the three of them fuse into [[Magnaboss II|Magnaboss]]. He gets blasted in the chest by the retreating Thrustor, though, and is forced to march to the alien ship with a bad injury. With his last ounce of strength, Magnaboss uses his own power source to charge the teleport gate and summons a mysterious figure.

[[Image:BWII-Majin Zarak blast.jpg|250px|right|thumb|Ahhh! Hairball!]]

Back at the canyon, the Maximals fight their way past the Autorollers, Hellscream and Max B, but are still overwhelmed by Majin Zarak's power. Lio Convoy makes it onto the carrier and sends Gigastorm flying away with his Lio Typhoon. Galvatron's decided he's had enough and transforms Majin Zarak into his frickin' Godzilla mode. Zarak then uses the three cannons on his back to destroy a whole mountain range and scatter the Maximals. Galvatron thinks he's won, but he suddenly receives a Maximal text message: "You think you've won, but we won't be defeated. Let us settle this. Come to point B-2. -Convoy"

Buried beneath tons of rock, Lio Convoy hears a familiar voice urging him to fight on. He explains that he was summoned by Magnaboss, a selfless warrior who used his own power to bring him here. Lio Convoy is sorry he underestimated Magnaboss (and by extension, Lio Junior) and asks who the mysterious warrior is. They shake hands and in a blast of light, the tons of rock are cleared. Magnaboss greets Lio Convoy and tells him he's rescued the other Maximals. He then introduces them to...wait for it...''wait for it''...
{{-}}
[[image:OptimusPrimalAnimeOMG01.jpg|center|250px|thumb|]]

<center>[[Optimus Primal]]!</center>

The "legendary General Commander" swears to help the injured Maximals win at all costs. Lio Convoy decides that while he, Primal and Bighorn attack Majin Zarak, [[Scuba]], [[Apache]] and the rest will try and find his weak point. Magnaboss wants to fight, but Lio Convoy says he's too injured. Once again, Tasmania Kid convinces him to let the brat fight. The [[Insectron]]s then report that Majin Zarak is headed for point B-2, a narrow canyon where his bulky body will be useless. The Maximals then rally for their final battle.

[[image:DoubleConvoyTogetherAtLast01.jpg|250px|left|thumb|]]

At point B-2, Primal and Convoy confront Galvatron, much to his surprise to see the two warriors standing together. Galvatron attempts to rush the leaders, but with Tasmania Kid's power source channeling into him, Magnaboss is strong enough to pick the aircraft carrier up and hurl it onto its side. The blow knocks Galvatron out of the ship, but he's rescued by Gigastorm, who carries him off in his hovercraft mode.

Suddenly, Majin Zarak transforms on his own. Turns out, he's alive! Majin Zarak appears invincible until Diver chimes in, having just discovered his weak spot. The third eye on his forehead is where all his nerve centers are clustered. A direct hit will destroy him, just like in a video game!

[[image:FlashBurningConvoy01.jpg|right|250px|thumb|It's called style, people. Look it up.]]

Hearing this, Optimus Primal and Lio Convoy synchronize their [[Energon Matrix|Energon Matrices]] and upgrade into Flash Lio Convoy and Burning Convoy. Burning Convoy transforms to monkey mode and rides atop Flash Lio Convoy's lion mode. They then leap into Zarak's face and Burning Convoy lands a mighty punch into his third eye. Flying away, they then combine the power of the Energon Matrices into the "Double Matrix Blaster", destroy his eye and blow him to smithereens.

The battle won, they return to the teleport gate. Lio Junior begs Primal to stay, but he reminds them that he still has to win the Beast Wars on planet [[Earth|Energoa]]. Besides, he says, their army is fine just the way it is. Apache interjects and says that, after some research, he's concluded that because the device plays havoc with time and space, it could conceivable destroy the universe, hence why whoever built it sent it to Gaea to be destroyed. Optimus Primal then returns to his proper place and time and the Maximals destroy the gate behind him.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=[[Maximal]]s|c1=

*[[DJ (BWII)|DJ]] (1)
*[[Motorarm (BWII)|Motorarm]] (2)
*[[Gimlet]] (3)
*[[Tripledacus]] (10)
*[[Apache]] (11)
*[[Diver (BWII)|Diver]] (12)
*[[Scuba]] (13)
*[[Lio Convoy]] (14)
*[[Bighorn]] (15)
*[[Tasmania Kid]] (22)
*[[Lio Junior]] (23)
*[[Santon]] (24)
*[[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]] (25)
*[[Magnaboss II|Magnaboss]] (30)
*[[Optimus Primal]] (31)
*[[Bigmos]] (33)
*[[Drill Nuts]] (34)
*[[Mantis]] (35)
*[[Powerhug (BWII)|Powerhug]] (36)
*[[Scissor Boy]] (37)
*[[Tonbot]] (38)

|h2=[[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]]|c2=

*[[Halfshell]] (4)
*[[Scylla]] (5)
*[[Coelagon]] (6)
*[[Sea Phantom]] (7)
*[[Terrormander]] (8)
*[[God Neptune]] (9)
*[[Megastorm|Gigastorm]] (16)
*[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] (17)
*[[BB|Max-B]] (18)
*[[Starscream (BWII)|Hellscream]] (19)
*[[Thrust (BWII)|Thrustor]] (20)
*[[Dirge (BWII)|Dirgegun]] (21)
*[[Autostinger]] (26)
*[[Autocrasher]] (27)
*[[Autolauncher]] (28)
*[[Majin Zarak]] (29)
*[[Autojetter]] (32)

}}

==Production staff==

*Director: Akira Nishimori
*Executive Producer: Tan Takaiwa, Hirohisa Sato, Tetsuya Suzuki, Yoshio Yamasaki, Araichi Miyagawa
*Producer: Kozo Itagaki, Yukihiro Akutsu, Reiko Sawa
*Unit Director: Tetsuya Watanabe, Tomoharu Katsumata
*General Animation Director: Takashi Yamamoto
*Screenplay: Nagata Toshiyasu
*Drafting: Hiroto Ishikawa
*Director of Photography: Hitoshi Torigoe
*Music: Masae Sagara
*Music producer: Hajime Tachihara, Hirokuni Maeyama
*Theme
**Opening song: "[[Space Dreamer: Haruka naru Beast Wars]]"
**Ending song: "[[My Shooting Star]]"
*Art director: Geki Katsumata
*Sound Director: Yoshikazu Iwanami
*Voice Director: Satake Tetsuya
*Editing: Hajime Taniguchi
*Character Design: Takashi Yamamoto
*Animation Cooperation: Tsuburaya Productions
*Production Team: "Beast Wars" Production Committee (Toei, Takara, [[WE'VE|AEON]], TV Tokyo)
*Distribution: Toei

==Notes==
*"Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" is the second portion of ''[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers]]'', starring the ''[[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' cast.

*Due to the presence of the [[Angolmois]] upgraded [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] but the overall lack of the ''[[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]'' as an immediate threat, this movie likely takes place between episode 32, "[[The Lio Convoy Assassination Plot]]", and episode 38, "[[Fly Out! Planet Gaea]]", of the ''[[Beast Wars II (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' animated series.

*While laying unconscious under a rock, Lio Convoy remarks that Optimus Primal's voice sounds "familiar" when Primal begins speaking to him via cyberspace. Subsequent media, notably ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', killed off Optimus Primal before he could survive to Lio Convoy's time thousands of years later. How he recognizes Primal's voice is unclear.

*Technically speaking, it is unclear just which "Megatron" Galvatron and his crew intended to summon across time and space: [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]] or [[Megatron (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Megatron]]. Occam's razor with Optimus Primal's appearance and the franchise focus at the time that this movie was released would indicate Galvatron was aiming for the ''Beast Wars'' character.

===Errors===
*The gun that Bighorn has in his mouth normally requires someone else to pull his tail for it to fire, yet in this movie he manages to fire it on his own.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote|japanese}}
;VHS
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Special'' — Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!! ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]])
;Laserdisc / DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''Beast Wars: Transformers Special'' (Pioneer LDC)

[[Category:Beast Wars II episodes]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

File:Beast Wars video game cover.jpg

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''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)]]'' CD case insert cover. Obtained from [http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00004VXA5 Amazon].

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[[Category:Beast Wars images]]

Video game

2012-06-06T00:15:34Z

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#REDIRECT [[Video games]]

Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle

2012-06-05T21:54:58Z

JohnnyMrNinja: /* Playable characters */

{{nav-BW}}
{{videogame
|title=''Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals''
|image=BeastWarsGameBoyColor.jpg
|caption=(Cue ''Mortal Kombat'' theme.)
|japanese=決闘　トランスフォーマー　ビーストウォーズ　ビースト戦士最強決定戦
|romaji=Ketō Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Senshi Saikyō Ketteisen
|developer=
|publisher=[[Takara]]
|date=[[March 19|19 March]] 1999
|platform=[[Game Boy|Game Boy Color]]
|rating=
}}

'''''Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals''''' is a fighting game for the [[Game Boy|Game Boy Color]] system.

It has a ridiculously long title and some adorably short combatants from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'', ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' and ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|Beast Wars Neo]]''.

==Story==
A super-powerful [[energon crystal]] is discovered on [[Earth]], and various [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] fight amongst themselves and against one another to get to it. After the player defeats [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (who is always the final enemy, even if you're playing as him) in the cave of the crystal, they are shown a unique ending depending on whom they are playing as.

===Endings===
*'''[[Lio Convoy]]:''' Determined to keep the crystal out of the wrong hands, Lio Convoy seals it away forever.
*'''[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]]:''' After absorbing the crystal, Galvatron grows mad with power and ends up destroying his own base.
*'''[[Scuba]]:''' Scuba uses the crystal's power to repair the environmental damage caused by the Predacons.
*'''[[Megastorm]]:''' Megastorm gloats to himself that with the power of the crystal, he will finally overcome Galvatron...only for his brother to steal the crystal right from under his nose.
*'''[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]:''' Having used the crystal to become the most powerful of all Maximals, Cheetor is promoted to [[Supreme Commander]]. However, he can't handle the responsibility required for the post, and he runs away after only three days.
*'''[[Guiledart]]:''' Guiledart decides not to use the crystal right away. Believing that there is still a long time until the war ends, he keeps it around as a future trump card.
*'''[[Optimus Primal]]:''' Primal uses the crystal's power to defeat the Predacons once and for all, saving the universe!
*'''[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]:''' Megatron takes the crystal and sets out to defeat his eternal nemesis, Optimus Primal.
*'''[[Star Upper (BWII)|Star Upper]]:''' As Star Upper wants to become strong under his own power, he doesn't use the crystal for anything.
*'''[[Artemis]]:''' Blissfully ignorant of the crystal's power, Artemis finds it really pretty and takes it home to decorate her room with it.

==Gameplay==
[[Image:DuelFight-Cheetor.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Domestic violence!]]
The game plays like your average fighting game, with two opponents battling it out on a small arena. The fighting controls are simple: one button for punches, one for kicks, and various button combinations for character-specific special moves. What makes the game unique is, naturally, the characters' ability to [[Transformation|transform]], which is done with the "select" button. The characters have different attacks in both modes.

During combat, the player can charge their "BP" gauge, which can be used for two different things when fully charged: activating "Hyper Mode" to increase attack strength temporarily, or using an extra-powerful special move known as a "Super Certain Kill Technique". When low on health, doing the Super Certain Kill Technique button combination backwards lets the player use an even stronger "Desperation" attack, but only in robot mode.

===Mini-games===
*'''Punch de Go!:''' Destroy a rock in the quickest time possible.
*'''Guard de Go!/Guard de Go! 2:''' Defend against as many projectiles as possible.
*'''Run! Beast:''' A vertical scrolling game, where the player (permanently in their [[alternate mode]]) has to reach the goal while avoiding numerous pits.
*'''Fight! Beast:''' Like "Run! Beast", except with action. The player is under constant attack from [[bacteria]] and has to shoot them down. Each characters' projectiles act differently.

Bonus characters [[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]], [[BB]], [[DJ (BWII)|DJ]] and [[Scylla]] are only available in the "Run! Beast" and "Fight! Beast" games. The first three have the distinct advantage of using flying alternate modes, so pits have no effect on them.

===Playable characters===
[[Image:BeastWarsGameBoyColorCharacters.png|right|thumb|Gotta punch 'em all!]]
====Maximals====
*[[Lio Convoy]] (Supreme Commander)
*[[Scuba]] (Underwater Craftsman)
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] (Jungle Patrol Leader)
*[[Optimus Primal]] (Original Supreme Commander)
*[[Star Upper (BWII)|Star Upper]] (Hyper Boxer)

'''In mini-games only'''
*[[DJ (BWII)|DJ]]
*[[Ikard|Ikard October Barks]]

====Predacons====
*[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] (New Great [[Emperor of Destruction]])
*[[Megastorm]] (Marquis of Destruction)
*[[Guiledart]] (Dinosaur Staff Officer)
*[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (Original Great [[Emperor of Destruction]])

'''In mini-games only'''
*[[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]]
*[[BB]]
*[[Scylla]]

====Other====
*[[Artemis]] & [[Moon (BWII)|Moon]] (listed in-game as Predacons for balance reasons)

==Notes==
*As they possess vehicle modes, Megastorm and Galvatron take less damage in their [[alternate mode]]s than characters with beast modes, but these modes are also slow and lack the ability to jump.
*Several other characters and concepts are also included in this game during the playable characters' Super Certain Kill Technique animations:
**Megatron can summon [[Waspinator]], [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]], [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] and [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] to attack his foe.
**Scuba pilots the [[Tako Tank]] during his robot-mode super move.
**While Galvatron can only be controlled in his robot and drill-tank modes, his third dragon mode appears during one of his super moves.

==External links==
*[http://kenshiroh.tripod.com/games/bw/ Instructions / Menu translation]

[[Category: Beast Wars games]]
[[Category:Beast Wars II media]]
[[Category: Beast Wars Neo media]]
[[Category: Video games]]

Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle

2012-06-05T21:24:53Z

JohnnyMrNinja: /* Playable characters */ frameless

{{nav-BW}}
{{videogame
|title=''Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals''
|image=BeastWarsGameBoyColor.jpg
|caption=(Cue ''Mortal Kombat'' theme.)
|japanese=決闘　トランスフォーマー　ビーストウォーズ　ビースト戦士最強決定戦
|romaji=Ketō Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Senshi Saikyō Ketteisen
|developer=
|publisher=[[Takara]]
|date=[[March 19|19 March]] 1999
|platform=[[Game Boy|Game Boy Color]]
|rating=
}}

'''''Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals''''' is a fighting game for the [[Game Boy|Game Boy Color]] system.

It has a ridiculously long title and some adorably short combatants from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'', ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' and ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|Beast Wars Neo]]''.

==Story==
A super-powerful [[energon crystal]] is discovered on [[Earth]], and various [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] fight amongst themselves and against one another to get to it. After the player defeats [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (who is always the final enemy, even if you're playing as him) in the cave of the crystal, they are shown a unique ending depending on whom they are playing as.

===Endings===
*'''[[Lio Convoy]]:''' Determined to keep the crystal out of the wrong hands, Lio Convoy seals it away forever.
*'''[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]]:''' After absorbing the crystal, Galvatron grows mad with power and ends up destroying his own base.
*'''[[Scuba]]:''' Scuba uses the crystal's power to repair the environmental damage caused by the Predacons.
*'''[[Megastorm]]:''' Megastorm gloats to himself that with the power of the crystal, he will finally overcome Galvatron...only for his brother to steal the crystal right from under his nose.
*'''[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]:''' Having used the crystal to become the most powerful of all Maximals, Cheetor is promoted to [[Supreme Commander]]. However, he can't handle the responsibility required for the post, and he runs away after only three days.
*'''[[Guiledart]]:''' Guiledart decides not to use the crystal right away. Believing that there is still a long time until the war ends, he keeps it around as a future trump card.
*'''[[Optimus Primal]]:''' Primal uses the crystal's power to defeat the Predacons once and for all, saving the universe!
*'''[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]:''' Megatron takes the crystal and sets out to defeat his eternal nemesis, Optimus Primal.
*'''[[Star Upper (BWII)|Star Upper]]:''' As Star Upper wants to become strong under his own power, he doesn't use the crystal for anything.
*'''[[Artemis]]:''' Blissfully ignorant of the crystal's power, Artemis finds it really pretty and takes it home to decorate her room with it.

==Gameplay==
[[Image:DuelFight-Cheetor.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Domestic violence!]]
The game plays like your average fighting game, with two opponents battling it out on a small arena. The fighting controls are simple: one button for punches, one for kicks, and various button combinations for character-specific special moves. What makes the game unique is, naturally, the characters' ability to [[Transformation|transform]], which is done with the "select" button. The characters have different attacks in both modes.

During combat, the player can charge their "BP" gauge, which can be used for two different things when fully charged: activating "Hyper Mode" to increase attack strength temporarily, or using an extra-powerful special move known as a "Super Certain Kill Technique". When low on health, doing the Super Certain Kill Technique button combination backwards lets the player use an even stronger "Desperation" attack, but only in robot mode.

===Mini-games===
*'''Punch de Go!:''' Destroy a rock in the quickest time possible.
*'''Guard de Go!/Guard de Go! 2:''' Defend against as many projectiles as possible.
*'''Run! Beast:''' A vertical scrolling game, where the player (permanently in their [[alternate mode]]) has to reach the goal while avoiding numerous pits.
*'''Fight! Beast:''' Like "Run! Beast", except with action. The player is under constant attack from [[bacteria]] and has to shoot them down. Each characters' projectiles act differently.

Bonus characters [[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]], [[BB]], [[DJ (BWII)|DJ]] and [[Scylla]] are only available in the "Run! Beast" and "Fight! Beast" games. The first three have the distinct advantage of using flying alternate modes, so pits have no effect on them.

===Playable characters===
[[Image:BeastWarsGameBoyColorCharacters.png|right|frameless]]
====Maximals====
*[[Lio Convoy]] (Supreme Commander)
*[[Scuba]] (Underwater Craftsman)
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] (Jungle Patrol Leader)
*[[Optimus Primal]] (Original Supreme Commander)
*[[Star Upper (BWII)|Star Upper]] (Hyper Boxer)

'''In mini-games only'''
*[[DJ (BWII)|DJ]]
*[[Ikard|Ikard October Barks]]

====Predacons====
*[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] (New Great [[Emperor of Destruction]])
*[[Megastorm]] (Marquis of Destruction)
*[[Guiledart]] (Dinosaur Staff Officer)
*[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (Original Great [[Emperor of Destruction]])

'''In mini-games only'''
*[[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]]
*[[BB]]
*[[Scylla]]

====Other====
*[[Artemis]] & [[Moon (BWII)|Moon]] (listed in-game as Predacons for balance reasons)

==Notes==
*As they possess vehicle modes, Megastorm and Galvatron take less damage in their [[alternate mode]]s than characters with beast modes, but these modes are also slow and lack the ability to jump.
*Several other characters and concepts are also included in this game during the playable characters' Super Certain Kill Technique animations:
**Megatron can summon [[Waspinator]], [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]], [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] and [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] to attack his foe.
**Scuba pilots the [[Tako Tank]] during his robot-mode super move.
**While Galvatron can only be controlled in his robot and drill-tank modes, his third dragon mode appears during one of his super moves.

==External links==
*[http://kenshiroh.tripod.com/games/bw/ Instructions / Menu translation]

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2012-06-05T21:23:58Z

JohnnyMrNinja: Several characters in robot and beast form from Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals. Taken from http://www.flickr.com/photos/serugiosan/4599088871/. {{hastak}} Category:Screen captures from video games

Several characters in robot and beast form from [[Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals]]. Taken from http://www.flickr.com/photos/serugiosan/4599088871/.

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Talk:Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle

2012-06-05T20:53:08Z

JohnnyMrNinja: more grammatical literal translation

....okay. This is Japanese kata-whatever overkill. This is going to be Englished and moved. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
: All right. Moved it around a bit. Each character already gets their foreign names listed on their individual pages, so there's no reason to bring them up elsewhere. Damn, I wish this thing had a shorter title. To link it, you have to remember a whole freakin' novel. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
::Could we simply abbreviate it to "Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle"? That's no different than simply saying "Mystery of Convoy". We could reserve the novella title as a redirect.
::On the subject of making phrases more manageable, I'm tempted to reduce "Super Certain Kill Technique" to "Super Deathblow", which isn't quite as literal but is MUCH less awkward. I'm not sure how attached everyone is to the kitsch of the longer version, though.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:42, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, we could remove the "Transformers", since [http://dorando.emuverse.com/images/beast-wars_00.png it isn't in the game itself]. I'm not enamored with the idea of outright removing words in the title of the game just because it'd look prettier, though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:59, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

This supposed "certain kill technique" is the same expression that's typically translated as "Special Move." As it is, it's extremely literal and clunky. And in fact, it is just a strong special move, and not a Fatality or something like that. How would "Super Finisher" or "Super Finishing Move" be as an alternative? [[User:HydraDW|HydraDW]] 03:47, 3 April 2012 (EDT)

==Title translation==
I've moved the page to a more grammatical literal translation, Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals - 決闘 dueling (that's what "duel fight" is intended to mean), 最強 strongest, ビースト beast, 戦士 warrior, 決定戦 finals (aka playoffs). Basically, an elimination-style competition to determine the strongest beast warrior. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 16:53, 5 June 2012 (EDT)

Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle

2012-06-05T20:47:58Z

JohnnyMrNinja: Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals

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|japanese=決闘　トランスフォーマー　ビーストウォーズ　ビースト戦士最強決定戦
|romaji=Ketō Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Senshi Saikyō Ketteisen
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|date=[[March 19|19 March]] 1999
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'''''Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals''''' is a fighting game for the [[Game Boy|Game Boy Color]] system.

It has a ridiculously long title and some adorably short combatants from ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'', ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' and ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|Beast Wars Neo]]''.

==Story==
A super-powerful [[energon crystal]] is discovered on [[Earth]], and various [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] fight amongst themselves and against one another to get to it. After the player defeats [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (who is always the final enemy, even if you're playing as him) in the cave of the crystal, they are shown a unique ending depending on whom they are playing as.

===Endings===
*'''[[Lio Convoy]]:''' Determined to keep the crystal out of the wrong hands, Lio Convoy seals it away forever.
*'''[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]]:''' After absorbing the crystal, Galvatron grows mad with power and ends up destroying his own base.
*'''[[Scuba]]:''' Scuba uses the crystal's power to repair the environmental damage caused by the Predacons.
*'''[[Megastorm]]:''' Megastorm gloats to himself that with the power of the crystal, he will finally overcome Galvatron...only for his brother to steal the crystal right from under his nose.
*'''[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]:''' Having used the crystal to become the most powerful of all Maximals, Cheetor is promoted to [[Supreme Commander]]. However, he can't handle the responsibility required for the post, and he runs away after only three days.
*'''[[Guiledart]]:''' Guiledart decides not to use the crystal right away. Believing that there is still a long time until the war ends, he keeps it around as a future trump card.
*'''[[Optimus Primal]]:''' Primal uses the crystal's power to defeat the Predacons once and for all, saving the universe!
*'''[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]:''' Megatron takes the crystal and sets out to defeat his eternal nemesis, Optimus Primal.
*'''[[Star Upper (BWII)|Star Upper]]:''' As Star Upper wants to become strong under his own power, he doesn't use the crystal for anything.
*'''[[Artemis]]:''' Blissfully ignorant of the crystal's power, Artemis finds it really pretty and takes it home to decorate her room with it.

==Gameplay==
[[Image:DuelFight-Cheetor.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Domestic violence!]]
The game plays like your average fighting game, with two opponents battling it out on a small arena. The fighting controls are simple: one button for punches, one for kicks, and various button combinations for character-specific special moves. What makes the game unique is, naturally, the characters' ability to [[Transformation|transform]], which is done with the "select" button. The characters have different attacks in both modes.

During combat, the player can charge their "BP" gauge, which can be used for two different things when fully charged: activating "Hyper Mode" to increase attack strength temporarily, or using an extra-powerful special move known as a "Super Certain Kill Technique". When low on health, doing the Super Certain Kill Technique button combination backwards lets the player use an even stronger "Desperation" attack, but only in robot mode.

===Mini-games===
*'''Punch de Go!:''' Destroy a rock in the quickest time possible.
*'''Guard de Go!/Guard de Go! 2:''' Defend against as many projectiles as possible.
*'''Run! Beast:''' A vertical scrolling game, where the player (permanently in their [[alternate mode]]) has to reach the goal while avoiding numerous pits.
*'''Fight! Beast:''' Like "Run! Beast", except with action. The player is under constant attack from [[bacteria]] and has to shoot them down. Each characters' projectiles act differently.

Bonus characters [[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]], [[BB]], [[DJ (BWII)|DJ]] and [[Scylla]] are only available in the "Run! Beast" and "Fight! Beast" games. The first three have the distinct advantage of using flying alternate modes, so pits have no effect on them.

===Playable characters===
====Maximals====
*[[Lio Convoy]] (Supreme Commander)
*[[Scuba]] (Underwater Craftsman)
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] (Jungle Patrol Leader)
*[[Optimus Primal]] (Original Supreme Commander)
*[[Star Upper (BWII)|Star Upper]] (Hyper Boxer)

'''In mini-games only'''
*[[DJ (BWII)|DJ]]
*[[Ikard|Ikard October Barks]]

====Predacons====
*[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] (New Great [[Emperor of Destruction]])
*[[Megastorm]] (Marquis of Destruction)
*[[Guiledart]] (Dinosaur Staff Officer)
*[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (Original Great [[Emperor of Destruction]])

'''In mini-games only'''
*[[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]]
*[[BB]]
*[[Scylla]]

====Other====
*[[Artemis]] & [[Moon (BWII)|Moon]] (listed in-game as Predacons for balance reasons)

==Notes==
*As they possess vehicle modes, Megastorm and Galvatron take less damage in their [[alternate mode]]s than characters with beast modes, but these modes are also slow and lack the ability to jump.
*Several other characters and concepts are also included in this game during the playable characters' Super Certain Kill Technique animations:
**Megatron can summon [[Waspinator]], [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]], [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] and [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] to attack his foe.
**Scuba pilots the [[Tako Tank]] during his robot-mode super move.
**While Galvatron can only be controlled in his robot and drill-tank modes, his third dragon mode appears during one of his super moves.

==External links==
*[http://kenshiroh.tripod.com/games/bw/ Instructions / Menu translation]

[[Category: Beast Wars games]]
[[Category:Beast Wars II media]]
[[Category: Beast Wars Neo media]]
[[Category: Video games]]

Kettou Transformer Beast Wars: Beast Senshi Saikyou Ketteisen

2012-06-05T20:47:14Z

JohnnyMrNinja: Redirecting to Dueling Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest Beast Warrior Finals

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