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User:KevinM

2024-07-28T00:15:49Z

KevinM:

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==About Me==
Hello. I have been a huge fan of the [[Transformers (disambiguation)|Transformers]] ever since I was 8 years old.

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User:KevinM

2024-07-28T00:15:36Z

KevinM:

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==About Me==
Hello. I have been a huge fan of the [[Transformers (disambiguation)|Transformers]] ever since I was 8 years old.

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User:KevinM

2024-07-27T05:37:00Z

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==About Me==
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Talk:Movie timeline

2024-02-13T23:53:02Z

KevinM: visual edit

So, is it the ARG that established Prime as N.B.E.-2? Because the comic has established Bumblebee as N.B.E.-2. Our first continuity glitch in movie continuity? (The two(?) Simmons in Sector 7 may be another, though it could easily be explained with a father-son connection. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not sure that the ARG ''has'' established who NBE 2 is, actually. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::And there's always the chance that they simply assumed Prime's messages were sent by Bumblebee. They never saw Prime, after all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==Novelization material==
Derik, Walky says to cease and desist adding information from the novelizations to the Wiki or he'll get rid of you until the movie comes out. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 07:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==Video Games==
the Movie, titan and S7 Continutys have their own pages so why not we make a page for the Movie video games continuty?
:Well, because there isn't one. The console and hand-held games aren't compatible, and it's not as if the different campaigns lead into each other at all across the movie and ROTF games - like, the Decepticons win and conquer Earth in their 2007 game campaign, and then... things are back to standard at the start of their ROTF campaign. It doesn't work. We'd just be describing individual game stories, and we have their articles for that. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:33, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

==DOTM date==
Some things (the game to name one) put DOTM three years, rather than two, after ROTF, which would place it in 2012. Given that Sam's finished university, three years would make sense. Should the timeline be changed accordingly? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]
:I have heard this floating around, all right, and was thinking about it. But what other sources are there besides the game? I'm not inclined to give the game any leeway in this particular timeline, as the games rarely "count" in that manner, plus, as I understand it, the game is about the run-up to Shockwave being freed, which if we were trying to count it, would take places shortly before ''Rising Storm'', which is only a year after ROTF. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:54, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
:: The novelization sets Sam Witwicky's Oval Office visit, which was right after ROTF, as "several years ago." Which is better than "two," at least, because, what, Sam had the shortest Ivy League college term ever? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:41, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Well, his college did get exploded fairly badly in ''Rising Storm''! :) But yeah, I think some kind of change is necessary here... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:05, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

{{quote|Its name is the ''Xantium.'' It brought the second wave of Autobots five years ago—Sideswipe and the rest.|[[Charlotte Mearing]]|[[Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel|''Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel'']] p 90}}
-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:34, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Devastator ==

The article frequently uses "Devastator" to refer to what is elsewhere called [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]]. Should this be changed, or is it done purposefully?[[Special:Contributions/24.13.125.86|24.13.125.86]] 21:15, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
:It's done because he was often called "Devastator" in the fiction. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:22, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
::Specifically, the only uses of the name in this timeline are in reference to his early appearance in the Titan comics, which consistently called him "Devastator", and would confusedly note in the letters pages that he was supposed to be a different guy from Brawl (though that didn't really make any sense in context). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:59, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:Ah. Well then, since the Construction Devastator is also covered, in the ROTF portion of the timeline, would it be possible to somehow mark the ones that are Devastator nee Brawl with a cite note or something?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.165|192.249.47.165]] 09:22, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

== Cyber Missions ==

Can they really be subsumed into the main continuity? They seem to have a lot of contradictions and discrepancies (Power Core Combiners interacting with movie characters, Soundwave coming to Earth previously, etc.) [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 08:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:How is Soundwave being on Earth a discrepancy? He comes down during Nefarious, and the Cyber Missions are placed after that. And there's no reason PCC characters can't be from the movie continuity - PCC Salvage is established as being the movie character on his package bio. If anything's place here is tenuous, it's Unite for the Universe, with characters that should be dead (Brakedown) or recovering on Diego Garcia (Brawn) at that point in IDW continuity, as well as oddities like Ravage acting independant of Soundwave, helping Starscream in a coup against Megatron. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]
::The Cyber Missions actually fit strangely ''well'', given that John Barber never watched them. I think the only unresolved contradiction would be Frenzy's being active again in them, and the ROTF prequel novel did note he was still alive in Simmons's basement, just dormant, so there's room for future fiction to fill in that gap. I admit I was a bit hesitant about putting Unite for the Universe into the timeline, but as it was the only even remotely-prominent bit of movie comic fiction that had nowhere else to go, I just went with it. "Rising Storm" had already approached death with a non-permanent freeness that left anything of that nature questionable, and it's not like the refugees might not have been tested out in the field to see how they were doing. It's all hand-waving, of course, but as the opening to the article says, it's not like there aren't slight contradictions to be found. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:22, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Even despite we have no proof Frenzy was involved on nefarious, i like to think those guys (the intative (spelling?)) revived him. jsut we didnt saw him
: Oh, OK. Thanks. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

==Classified==
Should we add the classified novels into the timeline? -- {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:I should think so. Though, where would they fit? I know they're post-ROTF and pre-DOTM, but I haven't read them (yet), so would anyone here who has read them know how to fit them in? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:55, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
::I've not read them either, but perhaps after Cyber Missions, since they seem to deal with a bunch of Decepticons off doing their own thing without Megatron? Really, the placement of stuff like these, Unite for the Universe and Cyber Missions is going to inevitably be pretty speculative since John Barber wasn't aware of/trying to include them during his phase as chief continuity pornographer for the movie universe. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 13:26, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
:::Sadly, Barber couldn't have worked these novels in since they came out after he had written Convergence and such. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:13, 15 July 2013 (EDT)

== The Bumblebee movie ==

In case you haven't heard, ''Empire'' magazine learned from DreamWorks that the Bumblebee movie will be set in the 1980s, invalidating all IDW worked to achieve. We need to move the page, and start from scratch on a new main timeline using information just from the films, as incoherent as they are. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 14:34, 14 June 2017 (EDT)

:If it's okay for me to give my two cents, this could all trace back from the Ghosts of Yesterday novel.

::1.) Bumblebee was a crew member of the Ark, but the tie-in material is vague on details, making it seem like it took the Ark (including Bumblebee) several decades to reach Mars after the events of Ghosts of Yesterday.

::2.) We had previously heard about Sentinel Prime's ship getting sent through a wormhole that sent him through space and time, and ultimately landed him in the far future. So, what if the crew of Ghost 1, from the novel, ended up sometime 30 or so years before 1969 (which the novel began in) after going through ''their'' wormhole? The Ghost 1 could have crashed outside of Earth's solar system and came in contact with Optimus' Ark around 1939.

:So the most easy retcon they could do, while keeping what the tie-in material established, is that the Ark and Ghost 1 did end up near Earth's solar system before the 1940s. Bumblebee headed to Earth in the middle of WWII, stayed there for sometime and went back to Mars in 2003 to scout or hide himself for whatever reason. It's funky, but this continuity has always been that way. [[User:BlindmelonKen|BlindmelonKen]] ([[User talk:BlindmelonKen|talk]]) 22:51, 20 June 2017‎

::It might just be easier to think that the tie in material only applies for the first three films, while AOE, TLK, and any future films fall in a separate timeline that also includes the first three films but none of the tie in material. All we'd have to do for this timeline is to move any and all post-DOTM film info off of this page and onto a new one that keeps the first three films' events but leaves out all the tie-in material. However, this is not a decision to be taken lightly, and must be made with the utmost care and consideration, so we need not be too hasty in this matter. We should probably just wait and see what we learn from these newer films once more is made known about them. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:06, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

:::I think if we did wanted to keep it for now, maybe we could assume Ghosts of Yesterday is non-canon or the Ghost 1 ended up 1500-2000 years in the past after going through that wormhole and the Ark landed on Earth around that time. [[User:BlindmelonKen|BlindmelonKen]] ([[User talk:BlindmelonKen|talk]]) 11:36, 27 June 2017‎
::::We shouldn't really make up fan-theories just to connect condradicting stories. We shouldn't pick and choose from the tie-in material either (saying that some are canon while the rest are not). I'd say it's far easier just to make a seperate page for the tie-in stuff, since it's unlikely that the movie writers are going to consider them canon. They may take inspiration from them, for sure but I doubt they would try not to condradict them.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 11:43, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

== Move to IDW Movie Timeline ==

I suggest this, since the movies clearly are not gonna fit with it now. I'd even say strip Age of Extinction from here.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:59, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sympathize with this, especially with removing the AOE stuff and making this strictly for the first film trilogy and its related media that the post-DOTM films will undoubtedly ignore and/or contradict. Though, there's also a number of non-IDW tie-in material in here as well, like the novels and Cyber Missions and such. Would that affect the "IDW" part of the title? (Also, as an aside, I feel the Classified novels, which aren't in here, can easily slot in as well between Cyber Missions and the pre-DOTM stuff, especially with how they foreshadow to Sentinel Prime's pillars without saying so.) --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:06, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
:Yes, I think that's about all we can do. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:19, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
I concur. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:39, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

== IDW Bumblebee ==

Can the 2018 IDW prequel Bumblebee be included in the 60s and 80s of this timeline? - RoboWarriorPrime 23 December 2018.

== Movie Timeline excluding IDW plotpoints ==

Hi guys, first of all I am a new TFWiki editor as of just now, but i am a longtime wiki reader and viewer who is obsessed with Transformers and any new pieces of information I can use to feed my knowledge.

So I have spent the last week or so studying the live action films and have come up with most of the timeline excluding the IDW fiction, I believe the IDW plotpoints are out of date as of the AOE and TLK movies, and I am a huge supporter of the shift of IDW plotpoints to their own seperate timeline.

I have used plotpoints pointed out by youtubers who have also studied the films and I have filled in the gaps that they have left out. I have copied all of the film plotpoints from the existing timeline on this wiki as well and done my best to remove anything that is strictly IDW or anything else that was not mentioned in the films, and just built up around them. My timeline study excludes the plotpoints given in Bumblebee, due to the continuity errors, however if anyone feels the need to add Bumblebee plotpoints or subtract anything from my timeline, that is also fine.

I have saved all of my timeline plotpoints in a Google Document, for whoever I need to get in touch with to show and make these edits, I just wanted to let everyone know that I have done my research. Granted there are bound to be things I have missed, but for the most part all important plot points are included.

[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 22:29, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

I have created a seperate sandbox timeline for me to slowly work on, I'll let you all know on my progress.

[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 08:31, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

:Excellent work! I've also been working on a IDW-exclusive timeline in my own [[User:223p/sandbox/IDW_movie_timeline|Sandbox]]. [[User:223p|223p]] 11.43, 10 June 2020

:I'm all done now. The timeline is ready for whoever needs it. I accidentally named my sandbox one IDW Movie Timeline, just due to copying and pasting bits from both your timeline and the existing one. Bumblebee's events are not included, if anyone thinks they should be included, feel free, but I think it would mess with the timeline more in my opinion. It could possibly do with some pictures, I've done my best to include pictures from other pages in the timeline to fill up the gaps where IDW fiction was placed. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:54, 10 June 2020 (EDT)

==Movie Timeline excluding AOE & TLK plotpoints==
The Movie timeline is the first and main chronology of the live-action movie universe, and it's current version is restricted to Michael Bay's productions only. That's not correct, because the movie timeline that is composed only by his movies is actually the second chronology of the live-action movie universe, since it only began when he forbade IDW Publishing, Del Rey Books, and Little, Brown and Company of publishing any prequel, adaptation or sequel material to AOE and TLK, along with the fact that the new information revealed in these two films, has appeared significantly and fundamentally irreconcilable with the larger timeline the tie-in media established. It was also the home to the original trilogy and their tie-in materials for thirteen years, which is why i think all tie-in plotpoints should return to this timeline and all AOE & TLK plotpoints should be excluded from here and placed in another timeline. As for the timeline where the AOE and TLK plotpoints shall be placed; i'm already working on it, i even have a title for that timeline. It's gonna be called "Bayverse movie timeline". What you guys think? --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 13:10, 19 November 2020 (EST)
:[[Movie expanded universe timeline|No]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:19, 19 November 2020 (EST)

::The tie-in media was only produced to fill in plot holes and retcon one or two things. The creators of tie-in media had no part in creating the films and merely wrote up extra fiction to fill in the blanks. The films come first and tie-in media comes second. It's called "tie-in media" for a reason. Regardless of whether Michael Bay directed all 5 films or not, the movies are still what would be listed on this timeline. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 14:44, 19 November 2020 (EST)

:I know and understand that. but as i said, the chronological order that includes the comics, novels, ect; is (and always has been) the first and main chronology, but from now on it's not anymore because of what you did! ''No offense here (since i don't want to offend anyone, and if it did sorry)'', but the thing is, this timeline was the home to the first three movies' tie-in media for thirteen years and i think that they shouldn't have never been removed from here. I think you should had removed all AOE & TLK plotpoints instead of the tie-in media plotpoints. That would've turn out '''so''' much better than make a glorious and awesome timeline composed by the original trilogy and it's tie-in material be "the secondary chronological order" rather than ''"the first (AKA: "mainstream") chronological order of the movie universe"'', which is "the correct" way to know it. I hope i didn't offended you or anyone else, well, bye. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 19:15, 19 November 2020 (EST)
::No, the main chronology has always been the ''movies''. That's why it's called the ''Movie'' Timeline. They are and always have been the primary source of fiction, and anything created for a tie-in is ancillary and is not taken into account by the writers of the films. The timeline laid out in the movies themselves will always take priority, and that's not going to change. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:42, 19 November 2020 (EST)
:::I'm not offended in any way. The idea to split the timelines had already been decided before I made an account on here. It was actually my very first contribution to the wiki too. I just followed along with the split that everyone had decided and added film-only plot points. The films are and always will be the "alpha" canon of the live-action film franchise, afterall it is called the "Live-action film" franchise. All other tie-in media regardless of whether it came first or not will always come second. Your argument is like saying that the Beast Hunters pack-in fiction released with figures from that line before the third season of Prime had aired was the "correct" story before the cartoon went a different route. It just doesn't work that way. Hasbro has and always will allow different partnering companies to write various tie-in stories to sell their products and allow for those creators to make their own unique spin-off timelines, but this doesn't make it any more "correct". The fact is, the films were '''still''' going to go whatever route they were going to take regardless of the tie-in fiction that came before it. Also, Hasbro's current direction when it comes to the live-action franchise, is to follow ''[[Brawl (Movie)|mostly]]'' what the films have established, that is why characters like Mirage from DOTM is now going by "Dino", in his latest toys, as that was the name that the film established. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 20:11, 19 November 2020 (EST)
::::Also another side note, if you look further up on this talk page, [[User:223p]] was the one who made the expanded universe timeline on a new page, I simply edited this one to have just the main movie plotpoints while adding in new ones that weren't previously mentioned. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:13, 19 November 2020 (EST)

== Proposal for page after ROTB (spoilers) ==

While I'm not sure if we're in a hurry to list information from Bumblebee and ROTB here, since the timeline was pretty straightforward (and vague) in both movies, I had a thought: Memory Alpha italicises events that only happened in Star Trek's Kelvin Timeline on their articles, allowing them to list information from multiple realities on the same pages. I thought it might be similarly helpful to place italics around the information from TLK, as right now, that movie's the outlier in these (already loosely connected) films, given how BB and ROTB explicitly reject its depiction of Unicron, and Bumblebee's history on Earth. That way, we can still list the dates from TLK, while making it clear most of it's not relevant going forward. Does that seem like a reasonable compromise? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 15:44, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
:I think a good compromise would be to divide the timeline into two core sections: pre-''Bumblebee'' and post-''Bumblebee'', especially given that there isn't overlap timeline-wise at this time and there's a lot of indication from the creatives behind the movies that it's a reboot (keyword: creatives, one producer who's not involved in the writing/directing does not count) but until the studio itself gives final word I think having the timeline started in ''Bumblebee'' having its own section would be a good compromise. I think it's silly to just completely omit it and ''Rise of the Beasts'' because they don't align with ''one'' movie. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:43, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::I guess that'd be simple, and the specific years both movies are set would mean we avoid repeating the contents ie. 1980s, 1900s etc, although it'd be a shame if we can't show these movies amidst their supposed context between 1986 and 2003. If only we had a tab system like Wookieepedia. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 17:43, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
Why can't ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' be treated as part of a reboot timeline since there's contradictions regarding Unicron's origins i.e. Unicron/Earth in ''Last Knight'' and Bumblebee's time on Earth? It would make things a lot easier. --[[User:KevinM|KevinM]] ([[User talk:KevinM|talk]]) 03:39, 11 February 2024 (EST)
:The special features on the blu-ray says they put the Maximals in Peru to make it work in the same world as Transformers 1-5. --[[User:1levichurch|1levichurch]] ([[User talk:1levichurch|talk]]) 08:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:: Also, this site does not exist to Solve Continuity and declare True Canon. The people making these movies keep saying it's blurry, keep doing things to make them """"work"""" together. We absolutely note when things present continuity issues, but if we declared a reboot timeline every time some piece of ''Transformers'' media in an ongoing series has some kind of irreconcilable or ridiculous continuity kerfuffle over in-universe details in what is presented as a singular timeline, a good >50% of all ongoing ''Transformers'' series would be a string of reboots and pagesplits and blahblahblah and no we're not doing that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:57, 11 February 2024 (EST)
:::Do you believe they are thinking of ideas to explain why Unicron will eventually be combined with Earth in a future movie, and just waiting until that info comes out to put it on this site? I personally hope they are coming up with ideas to explain that inconsistency since they are so adamant of saying its all one continuity --[[User:KevinM|KevinM]] ([[User talk:KevinM|talk]]) 15:20, 13 February 2024 (EST)
::::I believe they are pointedly not and will never do that. You should expect to continue to hear contradictory statements from various chefs involved and from final published product. "Continuity" means something different to them than it does to us, as far as they are concerned it probably makes perfect sense already, and we are not going to jump out ahead of them to tell them what they should be doing. Don't expect to ever get resolution on a plot hole from a 2017 movie nobody liked. We archive the official stuff, whether or not it makes sense. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:02, 13 February 2024 (EST)
:::::Fair enough. Thank you to everyone who answered my questions --[[User:KevinM|KevinM]] ([[User talk:KevinM|talk]]) 18:53, 13 February 2024 (EST)

Talk:Movie timeline

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Talk:Movie timeline

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KevinM: visual edit

So, is it the ARG that established Prime as N.B.E.-2? Because the comic has established Bumblebee as N.B.E.-2. Our first continuity glitch in movie continuity? (The two(?) Simmons in Sector 7 may be another, though it could easily be explained with a father-son connection. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not sure that the ARG ''has'' established who NBE 2 is, actually. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::And there's always the chance that they simply assumed Prime's messages were sent by Bumblebee. They never saw Prime, after all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==Novelization material==
Derik, Walky says to cease and desist adding information from the novelizations to the Wiki or he'll get rid of you until the movie comes out. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 07:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==Video Games==
the Movie, titan and S7 Continutys have their own pages so why not we make a page for the Movie video games continuty?
:Well, because there isn't one. The console and hand-held games aren't compatible, and it's not as if the different campaigns lead into each other at all across the movie and ROTF games - like, the Decepticons win and conquer Earth in their 2007 game campaign, and then... things are back to standard at the start of their ROTF campaign. It doesn't work. We'd just be describing individual game stories, and we have their articles for that. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:33, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

==DOTM date==
Some things (the game to name one) put DOTM three years, rather than two, after ROTF, which would place it in 2012. Given that Sam's finished university, three years would make sense. Should the timeline be changed accordingly? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]
:I have heard this floating around, all right, and was thinking about it. But what other sources are there besides the game? I'm not inclined to give the game any leeway in this particular timeline, as the games rarely "count" in that manner, plus, as I understand it, the game is about the run-up to Shockwave being freed, which if we were trying to count it, would take places shortly before ''Rising Storm'', which is only a year after ROTF. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:54, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
:: The novelization sets Sam Witwicky's Oval Office visit, which was right after ROTF, as "several years ago." Which is better than "two," at least, because, what, Sam had the shortest Ivy League college term ever? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:41, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Well, his college did get exploded fairly badly in ''Rising Storm''! :) But yeah, I think some kind of change is necessary here... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:05, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

{{quote|Its name is the ''Xantium.'' It brought the second wave of Autobots five years ago—Sideswipe and the rest.|[[Charlotte Mearing]]|[[Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel|''Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel'']] p 90}}
-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:34, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Devastator ==

The article frequently uses "Devastator" to refer to what is elsewhere called [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]]. Should this be changed, or is it done purposefully?[[Special:Contributions/24.13.125.86|24.13.125.86]] 21:15, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
:It's done because he was often called "Devastator" in the fiction. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:22, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
::Specifically, the only uses of the name in this timeline are in reference to his early appearance in the Titan comics, which consistently called him "Devastator", and would confusedly note in the letters pages that he was supposed to be a different guy from Brawl (though that didn't really make any sense in context). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:59, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:Ah. Well then, since the Construction Devastator is also covered, in the ROTF portion of the timeline, would it be possible to somehow mark the ones that are Devastator nee Brawl with a cite note or something?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.165|192.249.47.165]] 09:22, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

== Cyber Missions ==

Can they really be subsumed into the main continuity? They seem to have a lot of contradictions and discrepancies (Power Core Combiners interacting with movie characters, Soundwave coming to Earth previously, etc.) [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 08:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:How is Soundwave being on Earth a discrepancy? He comes down during Nefarious, and the Cyber Missions are placed after that. And there's no reason PCC characters can't be from the movie continuity - PCC Salvage is established as being the movie character on his package bio. If anything's place here is tenuous, it's Unite for the Universe, with characters that should be dead (Brakedown) or recovering on Diego Garcia (Brawn) at that point in IDW continuity, as well as oddities like Ravage acting independant of Soundwave, helping Starscream in a coup against Megatron. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]
::The Cyber Missions actually fit strangely ''well'', given that John Barber never watched them. I think the only unresolved contradiction would be Frenzy's being active again in them, and the ROTF prequel novel did note he was still alive in Simmons's basement, just dormant, so there's room for future fiction to fill in that gap. I admit I was a bit hesitant about putting Unite for the Universe into the timeline, but as it was the only even remotely-prominent bit of movie comic fiction that had nowhere else to go, I just went with it. "Rising Storm" had already approached death with a non-permanent freeness that left anything of that nature questionable, and it's not like the refugees might not have been tested out in the field to see how they were doing. It's all hand-waving, of course, but as the opening to the article says, it's not like there aren't slight contradictions to be found. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:22, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Even despite we have no proof Frenzy was involved on nefarious, i like to think those guys (the intative (spelling?)) revived him. jsut we didnt saw him
: Oh, OK. Thanks. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

==Classified==
Should we add the classified novels into the timeline? -- {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:I should think so. Though, where would they fit? I know they're post-ROTF and pre-DOTM, but I haven't read them (yet), so would anyone here who has read them know how to fit them in? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:55, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
::I've not read them either, but perhaps after Cyber Missions, since they seem to deal with a bunch of Decepticons off doing their own thing without Megatron? Really, the placement of stuff like these, Unite for the Universe and Cyber Missions is going to inevitably be pretty speculative since John Barber wasn't aware of/trying to include them during his phase as chief continuity pornographer for the movie universe. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 13:26, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
:::Sadly, Barber couldn't have worked these novels in since they came out after he had written Convergence and such. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:13, 15 July 2013 (EDT)

== The Bumblebee movie ==

In case you haven't heard, ''Empire'' magazine learned from DreamWorks that the Bumblebee movie will be set in the 1980s, invalidating all IDW worked to achieve. We need to move the page, and start from scratch on a new main timeline using information just from the films, as incoherent as they are. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 14:34, 14 June 2017 (EDT)

:If it's okay for me to give my two cents, this could all trace back from the Ghosts of Yesterday novel.

::1.) Bumblebee was a crew member of the Ark, but the tie-in material is vague on details, making it seem like it took the Ark (including Bumblebee) several decades to reach Mars after the events of Ghosts of Yesterday.

::2.) We had previously heard about Sentinel Prime's ship getting sent through a wormhole that sent him through space and time, and ultimately landed him in the far future. So, what if the crew of Ghost 1, from the novel, ended up sometime 30 or so years before 1969 (which the novel began in) after going through ''their'' wormhole? The Ghost 1 could have crashed outside of Earth's solar system and came in contact with Optimus' Ark around 1939.

:So the most easy retcon they could do, while keeping what the tie-in material established, is that the Ark and Ghost 1 did end up near Earth's solar system before the 1940s. Bumblebee headed to Earth in the middle of WWII, stayed there for sometime and went back to Mars in 2003 to scout or hide himself for whatever reason. It's funky, but this continuity has always been that way. [[User:BlindmelonKen|BlindmelonKen]] ([[User talk:BlindmelonKen|talk]]) 22:51, 20 June 2017‎

::It might just be easier to think that the tie in material only applies for the first three films, while AOE, TLK, and any future films fall in a separate timeline that also includes the first three films but none of the tie in material. All we'd have to do for this timeline is to move any and all post-DOTM film info off of this page and onto a new one that keeps the first three films' events but leaves out all the tie-in material. However, this is not a decision to be taken lightly, and must be made with the utmost care and consideration, so we need not be too hasty in this matter. We should probably just wait and see what we learn from these newer films once more is made known about them. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:06, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

:::I think if we did wanted to keep it for now, maybe we could assume Ghosts of Yesterday is non-canon or the Ghost 1 ended up 1500-2000 years in the past after going through that wormhole and the Ark landed on Earth around that time. [[User:BlindmelonKen|BlindmelonKen]] ([[User talk:BlindmelonKen|talk]]) 11:36, 27 June 2017‎
::::We shouldn't really make up fan-theories just to connect condradicting stories. We shouldn't pick and choose from the tie-in material either (saying that some are canon while the rest are not). I'd say it's far easier just to make a seperate page for the tie-in stuff, since it's unlikely that the movie writers are going to consider them canon. They may take inspiration from them, for sure but I doubt they would try not to condradict them.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 11:43, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

== Move to IDW Movie Timeline ==

I suggest this, since the movies clearly are not gonna fit with it now. I'd even say strip Age of Extinction from here.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:59, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sympathize with this, especially with removing the AOE stuff and making this strictly for the first film trilogy and its related media that the post-DOTM films will undoubtedly ignore and/or contradict. Though, there's also a number of non-IDW tie-in material in here as well, like the novels and Cyber Missions and such. Would that affect the "IDW" part of the title? (Also, as an aside, I feel the Classified novels, which aren't in here, can easily slot in as well between Cyber Missions and the pre-DOTM stuff, especially with how they foreshadow to Sentinel Prime's pillars without saying so.) --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:06, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
:Yes, I think that's about all we can do. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:19, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
I concur. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:39, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

== IDW Bumblebee ==

Can the 2018 IDW prequel Bumblebee be included in the 60s and 80s of this timeline? - RoboWarriorPrime 23 December 2018.

== Movie Timeline excluding IDW plotpoints ==

Hi guys, first of all I am a new TFWiki editor as of just now, but i am a longtime wiki reader and viewer who is obsessed with Transformers and any new pieces of information I can use to feed my knowledge.

So I have spent the last week or so studying the live action films and have come up with most of the timeline excluding the IDW fiction, I believe the IDW plotpoints are out of date as of the AOE and TLK movies, and I am a huge supporter of the shift of IDW plotpoints to their own seperate timeline.

I have used plotpoints pointed out by youtubers who have also studied the films and I have filled in the gaps that they have left out. I have copied all of the film plotpoints from the existing timeline on this wiki as well and done my best to remove anything that is strictly IDW or anything else that was not mentioned in the films, and just built up around them. My timeline study excludes the plotpoints given in Bumblebee, due to the continuity errors, however if anyone feels the need to add Bumblebee plotpoints or subtract anything from my timeline, that is also fine.

I have saved all of my timeline plotpoints in a Google Document, for whoever I need to get in touch with to show and make these edits, I just wanted to let everyone know that I have done my research. Granted there are bound to be things I have missed, but for the most part all important plot points are included.

[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 22:29, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

I have created a seperate sandbox timeline for me to slowly work on, I'll let you all know on my progress.

[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 08:31, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

:Excellent work! I've also been working on a IDW-exclusive timeline in my own [[User:223p/sandbox/IDW_movie_timeline|Sandbox]]. [[User:223p|223p]] 11.43, 10 June 2020

:I'm all done now. The timeline is ready for whoever needs it. I accidentally named my sandbox one IDW Movie Timeline, just due to copying and pasting bits from both your timeline and the existing one. Bumblebee's events are not included, if anyone thinks they should be included, feel free, but I think it would mess with the timeline more in my opinion. It could possibly do with some pictures, I've done my best to include pictures from other pages in the timeline to fill up the gaps where IDW fiction was placed. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:54, 10 June 2020 (EDT)

==Movie Timeline excluding AOE & TLK plotpoints==
The Movie timeline is the first and main chronology of the live-action movie universe, and it's current version is restricted to Michael Bay's productions only. That's not correct, because the movie timeline that is composed only by his movies is actually the second chronology of the live-action movie universe, since it only began when he forbade IDW Publishing, Del Rey Books, and Little, Brown and Company of publishing any prequel, adaptation or sequel material to AOE and TLK, along with the fact that the new information revealed in these two films, has appeared significantly and fundamentally irreconcilable with the larger timeline the tie-in media established. It was also the home to the original trilogy and their tie-in materials for thirteen years, which is why i think all tie-in plotpoints should return to this timeline and all AOE & TLK plotpoints should be excluded from here and placed in another timeline. As for the timeline where the AOE and TLK plotpoints shall be placed; i'm already working on it, i even have a title for that timeline. It's gonna be called "Bayverse movie timeline". What you guys think? --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 13:10, 19 November 2020 (EST)
:[[Movie expanded universe timeline|No]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:19, 19 November 2020 (EST)

::The tie-in media was only produced to fill in plot holes and retcon one or two things. The creators of tie-in media had no part in creating the films and merely wrote up extra fiction to fill in the blanks. The films come first and tie-in media comes second. It's called "tie-in media" for a reason. Regardless of whether Michael Bay directed all 5 films or not, the movies are still what would be listed on this timeline. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 14:44, 19 November 2020 (EST)

:I know and understand that. but as i said, the chronological order that includes the comics, novels, ect; is (and always has been) the first and main chronology, but from now on it's not anymore because of what you did! ''No offense here (since i don't want to offend anyone, and if it did sorry)'', but the thing is, this timeline was the home to the first three movies' tie-in media for thirteen years and i think that they shouldn't have never been removed from here. I think you should had removed all AOE & TLK plotpoints instead of the tie-in media plotpoints. That would've turn out '''so''' much better than make a glorious and awesome timeline composed by the original trilogy and it's tie-in material be "the secondary chronological order" rather than ''"the first (AKA: "mainstream") chronological order of the movie universe"'', which is "the correct" way to know it. I hope i didn't offended you or anyone else, well, bye. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 19:15, 19 November 2020 (EST)
::No, the main chronology has always been the ''movies''. That's why it's called the ''Movie'' Timeline. They are and always have been the primary source of fiction, and anything created for a tie-in is ancillary and is not taken into account by the writers of the films. The timeline laid out in the movies themselves will always take priority, and that's not going to change. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:42, 19 November 2020 (EST)
:::I'm not offended in any way. The idea to split the timelines had already been decided before I made an account on here. It was actually my very first contribution to the wiki too. I just followed along with the split that everyone had decided and added film-only plot points. The films are and always will be the "alpha" canon of the live-action film franchise, afterall it is called the "Live-action film" franchise. All other tie-in media regardless of whether it came first or not will always come second. Your argument is like saying that the Beast Hunters pack-in fiction released with figures from that line before the third season of Prime had aired was the "correct" story before the cartoon went a different route. It just doesn't work that way. Hasbro has and always will allow different partnering companies to write various tie-in stories to sell their products and allow for those creators to make their own unique spin-off timelines, but this doesn't make it any more "correct". The fact is, the films were '''still''' going to go whatever route they were going to take regardless of the tie-in fiction that came before it. Also, Hasbro's current direction when it comes to the live-action franchise, is to follow ''[[Brawl (Movie)|mostly]]'' what the films have established, that is why characters like Mirage from DOTM is now going by "Dino", in his latest toys, as that was the name that the film established. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 20:11, 19 November 2020 (EST)
::::Also another side note, if you look further up on this talk page, [[User:223p]] was the one who made the expanded universe timeline on a new page, I simply edited this one to have just the main movie plotpoints while adding in new ones that weren't previously mentioned. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:13, 19 November 2020 (EST)

== Proposal for page after ROTB (spoilers) ==

While I'm not sure if we're in a hurry to list information from Bumblebee and ROTB here, since the timeline was pretty straightforward (and vague) in both movies, I had a thought: Memory Alpha italicises events that only happened in Star Trek's Kelvin Timeline on their articles, allowing them to list information from multiple realities on the same pages. I thought it might be similarly helpful to place italics around the information from TLK, as right now, that movie's the outlier in these (already loosely connected) films, given how BB and ROTB explicitly reject its depiction of Unicron, and Bumblebee's history on Earth. That way, we can still list the dates from TLK, while making it clear most of it's not relevant going forward. Does that seem like a reasonable compromise? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 15:44, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
:I think a good compromise would be to divide the timeline into two core sections: pre-''Bumblebee'' and post-''Bumblebee'', especially given that there isn't overlap timeline-wise at this time and there's a lot of indication from the creatives behind the movies that it's a reboot (keyword: creatives, one producer who's not involved in the writing/directing does not count) but until the studio itself gives final word I think having the timeline started in ''Bumblebee'' having its own section would be a good compromise. I think it's silly to just completely omit it and ''Rise of the Beasts'' because they don't align with ''one'' movie. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:43, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::I guess that'd be simple, and the specific years both movies are set would mean we avoid repeating the contents ie. 1980s, 1900s etc, although it'd be a shame if we can't show these movies amidst their supposed context between 1986 and 2003. If only we had a tab system like Wookieepedia. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 17:43, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
Why can't ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' be treated as part of a reboot timeline since there's contradictions regarding Unicron's origins i.e. Unicron/Earth in ''Last Knight'' and Bumblebee's time on Earth? It would make things a lot easier. --[[User:KevinM|KevinM]] ([[User talk:KevinM|talk]]) 03:39, 11 February 2024 (EST)
:The special features on the blu-ray says they put the Maximals in Peru to make it work in the same world as Transformers 1-5. --[[User:1levichurch|1levichurch]] ([[User talk:1levichurch|talk]]) 08:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:: Also, this site does not exist to Solve Continuity and declare True Canon. The people making these movies keep saying it's blurry, keep doing things to make them """"work"""" together. We absolutely note when things present continuity issues, but if we declared a reboot timeline every time some piece of ''Transformers'' media in an ongoing series has some kind of irreconcilable or ridiculous continuity kerfuffle over in-universe details in what is presented as a singular timeline, a good >50% of all ongoing ''Transformers'' series would be a string of reboots and pagesplits and blahblahblah and no we're not doing that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:57, 11 February 2024 (EST)
:::Do you believe they are thinking of ideas to explain why Unicron will eventually be combined with Earth in a future movie, and just waiting until that info comes out to put it on this site? I personally hope so since they are so adamant of saying its all one continuity --[[User:KevinM|KevinM]] ([[User talk:KevinM|talk]]) 15:20, 13 February 2024 (EST)

Talk:Movie timeline

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So, is it the ARG that established Prime as N.B.E.-2? Because the comic has established Bumblebee as N.B.E.-2. Our first continuity glitch in movie continuity? (The two(?) Simmons in Sector 7 may be another, though it could easily be explained with a father-son connection. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not sure that the ARG ''has'' established who NBE 2 is, actually. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
::And there's always the chance that they simply assumed Prime's messages were sent by Bumblebee. They never saw Prime, after all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==Novelization material==
Derik, Walky says to cease and desist adding information from the novelizations to the Wiki or he'll get rid of you until the movie comes out. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 07:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==Video Games==
the Movie, titan and S7 Continutys have their own pages so why not we make a page for the Movie video games continuty?
:Well, because there isn't one. The console and hand-held games aren't compatible, and it's not as if the different campaigns lead into each other at all across the movie and ROTF games - like, the Decepticons win and conquer Earth in their 2007 game campaign, and then... things are back to standard at the start of their ROTF campaign. It doesn't work. We'd just be describing individual game stories, and we have their articles for that. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:33, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

==DOTM date==
Some things (the game to name one) put DOTM three years, rather than two, after ROTF, which would place it in 2012. Given that Sam's finished university, three years would make sense. Should the timeline be changed accordingly? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]
:I have heard this floating around, all right, and was thinking about it. But what other sources are there besides the game? I'm not inclined to give the game any leeway in this particular timeline, as the games rarely "count" in that manner, plus, as I understand it, the game is about the run-up to Shockwave being freed, which if we were trying to count it, would take places shortly before ''Rising Storm'', which is only a year after ROTF. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:54, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
:: The novelization sets Sam Witwicky's Oval Office visit, which was right after ROTF, as "several years ago." Which is better than "two," at least, because, what, Sam had the shortest Ivy League college term ever? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:41, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Well, his college did get exploded fairly badly in ''Rising Storm''! :) But yeah, I think some kind of change is necessary here... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:05, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

{{quote|Its name is the ''Xantium.'' It brought the second wave of Autobots five years ago—Sideswipe and the rest.|[[Charlotte Mearing]]|[[Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel|''Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel'']] p 90}}
-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:34, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Devastator ==

The article frequently uses "Devastator" to refer to what is elsewhere called [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]]. Should this be changed, or is it done purposefully?[[Special:Contributions/24.13.125.86|24.13.125.86]] 21:15, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
:It's done because he was often called "Devastator" in the fiction. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:22, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
::Specifically, the only uses of the name in this timeline are in reference to his early appearance in the Titan comics, which consistently called him "Devastator", and would confusedly note in the letters pages that he was supposed to be a different guy from Brawl (though that didn't really make any sense in context). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:59, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:Ah. Well then, since the Construction Devastator is also covered, in the ROTF portion of the timeline, would it be possible to somehow mark the ones that are Devastator nee Brawl with a cite note or something?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.165|192.249.47.165]] 09:22, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

== Cyber Missions ==

Can they really be subsumed into the main continuity? They seem to have a lot of contradictions and discrepancies (Power Core Combiners interacting with movie characters, Soundwave coming to Earth previously, etc.) [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 08:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:How is Soundwave being on Earth a discrepancy? He comes down during Nefarious, and the Cyber Missions are placed after that. And there's no reason PCC characters can't be from the movie continuity - PCC Salvage is established as being the movie character on his package bio. If anything's place here is tenuous, it's Unite for the Universe, with characters that should be dead (Brakedown) or recovering on Diego Garcia (Brawn) at that point in IDW continuity, as well as oddities like Ravage acting independant of Soundwave, helping Starscream in a coup against Megatron. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]
::The Cyber Missions actually fit strangely ''well'', given that John Barber never watched them. I think the only unresolved contradiction would be Frenzy's being active again in them, and the ROTF prequel novel did note he was still alive in Simmons's basement, just dormant, so there's room for future fiction to fill in that gap. I admit I was a bit hesitant about putting Unite for the Universe into the timeline, but as it was the only even remotely-prominent bit of movie comic fiction that had nowhere else to go, I just went with it. "Rising Storm" had already approached death with a non-permanent freeness that left anything of that nature questionable, and it's not like the refugees might not have been tested out in the field to see how they were doing. It's all hand-waving, of course, but as the opening to the article says, it's not like there aren't slight contradictions to be found. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:22, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Even despite we have no proof Frenzy was involved on nefarious, i like to think those guys (the intative (spelling?)) revived him. jsut we didnt saw him
: Oh, OK. Thanks. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

==Classified==
Should we add the classified novels into the timeline? -- {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:I should think so. Though, where would they fit? I know they're post-ROTF and pre-DOTM, but I haven't read them (yet), so would anyone here who has read them know how to fit them in? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:55, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
::I've not read them either, but perhaps after Cyber Missions, since they seem to deal with a bunch of Decepticons off doing their own thing without Megatron? Really, the placement of stuff like these, Unite for the Universe and Cyber Missions is going to inevitably be pretty speculative since John Barber wasn't aware of/trying to include them during his phase as chief continuity pornographer for the movie universe. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 13:26, 15 July 2013 (EDT)
:::Sadly, Barber couldn't have worked these novels in since they came out after he had written Convergence and such. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:13, 15 July 2013 (EDT)

== The Bumblebee movie ==

In case you haven't heard, ''Empire'' magazine learned from DreamWorks that the Bumblebee movie will be set in the 1980s, invalidating all IDW worked to achieve. We need to move the page, and start from scratch on a new main timeline using information just from the films, as incoherent as they are. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 14:34, 14 June 2017 (EDT)

:If it's okay for me to give my two cents, this could all trace back from the Ghosts of Yesterday novel.

::1.) Bumblebee was a crew member of the Ark, but the tie-in material is vague on details, making it seem like it took the Ark (including Bumblebee) several decades to reach Mars after the events of Ghosts of Yesterday.

::2.) We had previously heard about Sentinel Prime's ship getting sent through a wormhole that sent him through space and time, and ultimately landed him in the far future. So, what if the crew of Ghost 1, from the novel, ended up sometime 30 or so years before 1969 (which the novel began in) after going through ''their'' wormhole? The Ghost 1 could have crashed outside of Earth's solar system and came in contact with Optimus' Ark around 1939.

:So the most easy retcon they could do, while keeping what the tie-in material established, is that the Ark and Ghost 1 did end up near Earth's solar system before the 1940s. Bumblebee headed to Earth in the middle of WWII, stayed there for sometime and went back to Mars in 2003 to scout or hide himself for whatever reason. It's funky, but this continuity has always been that way. [[User:BlindmelonKen|BlindmelonKen]] ([[User talk:BlindmelonKen|talk]]) 22:51, 20 June 2017‎

::It might just be easier to think that the tie in material only applies for the first three films, while AOE, TLK, and any future films fall in a separate timeline that also includes the first three films but none of the tie in material. All we'd have to do for this timeline is to move any and all post-DOTM film info off of this page and onto a new one that keeps the first three films' events but leaves out all the tie-in material. However, this is not a decision to be taken lightly, and must be made with the utmost care and consideration, so we need not be too hasty in this matter. We should probably just wait and see what we learn from these newer films once more is made known about them. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:06, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

:::I think if we did wanted to keep it for now, maybe we could assume Ghosts of Yesterday is non-canon or the Ghost 1 ended up 1500-2000 years in the past after going through that wormhole and the Ark landed on Earth around that time. [[User:BlindmelonKen|BlindmelonKen]] ([[User talk:BlindmelonKen|talk]]) 11:36, 27 June 2017‎
::::We shouldn't really make up fan-theories just to connect condradicting stories. We shouldn't pick and choose from the tie-in material either (saying that some are canon while the rest are not). I'd say it's far easier just to make a seperate page for the tie-in stuff, since it's unlikely that the movie writers are going to consider them canon. They may take inspiration from them, for sure but I doubt they would try not to condradict them.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 11:43, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

== Move to IDW Movie Timeline ==

I suggest this, since the movies clearly are not gonna fit with it now. I'd even say strip Age of Extinction from here.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:59, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sympathize with this, especially with removing the AOE stuff and making this strictly for the first film trilogy and its related media that the post-DOTM films will undoubtedly ignore and/or contradict. Though, there's also a number of non-IDW tie-in material in here as well, like the novels and Cyber Missions and such. Would that affect the "IDW" part of the title? (Also, as an aside, I feel the Classified novels, which aren't in here, can easily slot in as well between Cyber Missions and the pre-DOTM stuff, especially with how they foreshadow to Sentinel Prime's pillars without saying so.) --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 12:06, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
:Yes, I think that's about all we can do. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:19, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
I concur. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:39, 1 July 2017 (EDT)

== IDW Bumblebee ==

Can the 2018 IDW prequel Bumblebee be included in the 60s and 80s of this timeline? - RoboWarriorPrime 23 December 2018.

== Movie Timeline excluding IDW plotpoints ==

Hi guys, first of all I am a new TFWiki editor as of just now, but i am a longtime wiki reader and viewer who is obsessed with Transformers and any new pieces of information I can use to feed my knowledge.

So I have spent the last week or so studying the live action films and have come up with most of the timeline excluding the IDW fiction, I believe the IDW plotpoints are out of date as of the AOE and TLK movies, and I am a huge supporter of the shift of IDW plotpoints to their own seperate timeline.

I have used plotpoints pointed out by youtubers who have also studied the films and I have filled in the gaps that they have left out. I have copied all of the film plotpoints from the existing timeline on this wiki as well and done my best to remove anything that is strictly IDW or anything else that was not mentioned in the films, and just built up around them. My timeline study excludes the plotpoints given in Bumblebee, due to the continuity errors, however if anyone feels the need to add Bumblebee plotpoints or subtract anything from my timeline, that is also fine.

I have saved all of my timeline plotpoints in a Google Document, for whoever I need to get in touch with to show and make these edits, I just wanted to let everyone know that I have done my research. Granted there are bound to be things I have missed, but for the most part all important plot points are included.

[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 22:29, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

I have created a seperate sandbox timeline for me to slowly work on, I'll let you all know on my progress.

[[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 08:31, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

:Excellent work! I've also been working on a IDW-exclusive timeline in my own [[User:223p/sandbox/IDW_movie_timeline|Sandbox]]. [[User:223p|223p]] 11.43, 10 June 2020

:I'm all done now. The timeline is ready for whoever needs it. I accidentally named my sandbox one IDW Movie Timeline, just due to copying and pasting bits from both your timeline and the existing one. Bumblebee's events are not included, if anyone thinks they should be included, feel free, but I think it would mess with the timeline more in my opinion. It could possibly do with some pictures, I've done my best to include pictures from other pages in the timeline to fill up the gaps where IDW fiction was placed. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 18:54, 10 June 2020 (EDT)

==Movie Timeline excluding AOE & TLK plotpoints==
The Movie timeline is the first and main chronology of the live-action movie universe, and it's current version is restricted to Michael Bay's productions only. That's not correct, because the movie timeline that is composed only by his movies is actually the second chronology of the live-action movie universe, since it only began when he forbade IDW Publishing, Del Rey Books, and Little, Brown and Company of publishing any prequel, adaptation or sequel material to AOE and TLK, along with the fact that the new information revealed in these two films, has appeared significantly and fundamentally irreconcilable with the larger timeline the tie-in media established. It was also the home to the original trilogy and their tie-in materials for thirteen years, which is why i think all tie-in plotpoints should return to this timeline and all AOE & TLK plotpoints should be excluded from here and placed in another timeline. As for the timeline where the AOE and TLK plotpoints shall be placed; i'm already working on it, i even have a title for that timeline. It's gonna be called "Bayverse movie timeline". What you guys think? --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 13:10, 19 November 2020 (EST)
:[[Movie expanded universe timeline|No]]. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:19, 19 November 2020 (EST)

::The tie-in media was only produced to fill in plot holes and retcon one or two things. The creators of tie-in media had no part in creating the films and merely wrote up extra fiction to fill in the blanks. The films come first and tie-in media comes second. It's called "tie-in media" for a reason. Regardless of whether Michael Bay directed all 5 films or not, the movies are still what would be listed on this timeline. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 14:44, 19 November 2020 (EST)

:I know and understand that. but as i said, the chronological order that includes the comics, novels, ect; is (and always has been) the first and main chronology, but from now on it's not anymore because of what you did! ''No offense here (since i don't want to offend anyone, and if it did sorry)'', but the thing is, this timeline was the home to the first three movies' tie-in media for thirteen years and i think that they shouldn't have never been removed from here. I think you should had removed all AOE & TLK plotpoints instead of the tie-in media plotpoints. That would've turn out '''so''' much better than make a glorious and awesome timeline composed by the original trilogy and it's tie-in material be "the secondary chronological order" rather than ''"the first (AKA: "mainstream") chronological order of the movie universe"'', which is "the correct" way to know it. I hope i didn't offended you or anyone else, well, bye. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 19:15, 19 November 2020 (EST)
::No, the main chronology has always been the ''movies''. That's why it's called the ''Movie'' Timeline. They are and always have been the primary source of fiction, and anything created for a tie-in is ancillary and is not taken into account by the writers of the films. The timeline laid out in the movies themselves will always take priority, and that's not going to change. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:42, 19 November 2020 (EST)
:::I'm not offended in any way. The idea to split the timelines had already been decided before I made an account on here. It was actually my very first contribution to the wiki too. I just followed along with the split that everyone had decided and added film-only plot points. The films are and always will be the "alpha" canon of the live-action film franchise, afterall it is called the "Live-action film" franchise. All other tie-in media regardless of whether it came first or not will always come second. Your argument is like saying that the Beast Hunters pack-in fiction released with figures from that line before the third season of Prime had aired was the "correct" story before the cartoon went a different route. It just doesn't work that way. Hasbro has and always will allow different partnering companies to write various tie-in stories to sell their products and allow for those creators to make their own unique spin-off timelines, but this doesn't make it any more "correct". The fact is, the films were '''still''' going to go whatever route they were going to take regardless of the tie-in fiction that came before it. Also, Hasbro's current direction when it comes to the live-action franchise, is to follow ''[[Brawl (Movie)|mostly]]'' what the films have established, that is why characters like Mirage from DOTM is now going by "Dino", in his latest toys, as that was the name that the film established. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 20:11, 19 November 2020 (EST)
::::Also another side note, if you look further up on this talk page, [[User:223p]] was the one who made the expanded universe timeline on a new page, I simply edited this one to have just the main movie plotpoints while adding in new ones that weren't previously mentioned. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 21:13, 19 November 2020 (EST)

== Proposal for page after ROTB (spoilers) ==

While I'm not sure if we're in a hurry to list information from Bumblebee and ROTB here, since the timeline was pretty straightforward (and vague) in both movies, I had a thought: Memory Alpha italicises events that only happened in Star Trek's Kelvin Timeline on their articles, allowing them to list information from multiple realities on the same pages. I thought it might be similarly helpful to place italics around the information from TLK, as right now, that movie's the outlier in these (already loosely connected) films, given how BB and ROTB explicitly reject its depiction of Unicron, and Bumblebee's history on Earth. That way, we can still list the dates from TLK, while making it clear most of it's not relevant going forward. Does that seem like a reasonable compromise? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 15:44, 11 June 2023 (EDT)
:I think a good compromise would be to divide the timeline into two core sections: pre-''Bumblebee'' and post-''Bumblebee'', especially given that there isn't overlap timeline-wise at this time and there's a lot of indication from the creatives behind the movies that it's a reboot (keyword: creatives, one producer who's not involved in the writing/directing does not count) but until the studio itself gives final word I think having the timeline started in ''Bumblebee'' having its own section would be a good compromise. I think it's silly to just completely omit it and ''Rise of the Beasts'' because they don't align with ''one'' movie. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 11:43, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
::I guess that'd be simple, and the specific years both movies are set would mean we avoid repeating the contents ie. 1980s, 1900s etc, although it'd be a shame if we can't show these movies amidst their supposed context between 1986 and 2003. If only we had a tab system like Wookieepedia. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 17:43, 13 June 2023 (EDT)
Why can't ''Bumblebee'' and ''Rise of the Beasts'' be treated as part of a reboot timeline since there's contradictions regarding Unicron's origins i.e. Unicron/Earth in ''Last Knight'' and Bumblebee's time on Earth? It would make things a lot easier. --[[User:KevinM|KevinM]] ([[User talk:KevinM|talk]]) 03:39, 11 February 2024 (EST)
:The special features on the blu-ray says they put the Maximals in Peru to make it work in the same world as Transformers 1-5. --[[User:1levichurch|1levichurch]] ([[User talk:1levichurch|talk]]) 08:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
:: Also, this site does not exist to Solve Continuity and declare True Canon. The people making these movies keep saying it's blurry, keep doing things to make them """"work"""" together. We absolutely note when things present continuity issues, but if we declared a reboot timeline every time some piece of ''Transformers'' media in an ongoing series has some kind of irreconcilable or ridiculous continuity kerfuffle over in-universe details in what is presented as a singular timeline, a good >50% of all ongoing ''Transformers'' series would be a string of reboots and pagesplits and blahblahblah and no we're not doing that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:57, 11 February 2024 (EST)
:::Do you believe they are thinking of ideas to explain why Unicron will eventually be combined with Earth in a future movie, and just waiting until that info comes out to put it on this site? --[[User:KevinM|KevinM]] ([[User talk:KevinM|talk]]) 15:20, 13 February 2024 (EST)

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Marissa Faireborn

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:''Marissa Faireborn is an [[Autobot]]-allied [[human]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[File:Marissafaireborne.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|DON'T [[Transformer romance|DATE ROBOTS]]. Brought to you by the Space Pope.]]
'''Marissa Faireborn''' (sometimes '''Marissa Bishop''') is an officer in the [[Earth Defense Command]]. Hailing from a family with a history [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|in]] [[Lady Jaye|the]] [[Nathaniel Faireborn|military]], Marissa is tough, headstrong and independent. She's a take-charge woman who's always calm in a crisis and performs her duties with strict professionalism. She may be small and squishy, but her boldness, strength of heart and skill with many weapons from blaster to knife mean she is respected by both Autobots and Decepticons alike. When a Decepticon looks upon Marissa Faireborn, they see a genuine adversary, while the Autobots know her as a trusted ally and friend... and in [[Optimus Prime (G1)|some]] [[Jazz (G1)|cases]], even an unlikely romantic partner!

Also, she's great at surfboarding.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Susan Blu]] (English), [[Kazue Komiya]] (Japanese)|[[Michele Sterr]] (German, "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3 - 5", "Money Is Everything", "The Burden Hardest To Bear"), [[Michaela Amler]] (German, "The Killing Jar"), [[Maria Böhme]] (German, "Forever Is a Long Time Coming"), [[Gloria García]] (Spain-Spanish), [[Myriam Thereza]] (Portuguese, "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3 - 5"), [[Emília Rey]] (Portuguese, "The Killing Jar"), [[Jane Kelly]] (Portuguese, "Forever Is a Long Time Coming" & "Money Is Everything")}}

[[File:FFOD3 marissa woman of action.jpg|left|thumb|225px|Barbarella, eat your heart out.]]
In the year 2005, Captain Marissa Faireborn was stationed at the EDC's base on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] when a call for aid came through from [[Autobot]] communications officer [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]]. Marissa had been tracking an Autobot shuttle which had come under attack by [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] and the [[Decepticon]]s in the vicinity of [[Jupiter]], and Blaster requested that she provide back up to the stricken craft. Marissa deployed immediately, but before she could make it onto the scene, the shuttle was destroyed by a cosmic storm, and its occupants—[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] and the new [[transformation cog|transforming cog]] for [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] that they were couriering to [[Earth]]—were blasted to the planet's moon [[Io]]. Tracking their trajectories, Marissa set course for the moon, {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}} and arrived to witness the two Autobots being terrorized by a swarm of the moon's native [[lightpole]]s. Blurr was able to clear the swarm with cog in hand, and the militaristic Marissa set her ship down and instructed him to come aboard. Unwilling to leave Wheelie behind, the speedy Autobot raced back into the heart of the swarm in order to save his friend, an action that Marissa seemed unable to comprehend, deeming her digital wristwatch capable of better decisions. Nonetheless, she disembarked her ship and entered the fray herself with a [[jet pack]], firing at the lightpoles with a [[null-ray]] blaster. Marissa was able to thin the swarm out enough for Blurr and Wheelie to get clear, but before they could get aboard her ship, several of the lightpoles transformed into their missile forms and fell upon the craft, blowing it up.

[[File:FFOD5 marissa leaps.jpg|thumb]]

Marissa quickly took stock of the situation and stopped Blurr from panicking so they could examine the wreckage and see if the ship's radio was still working. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} The radio was, indeed, still functional, and Marissa used it to contact Blaster on Earth as the trio were again set upon by the lightpoles. Blaster tried to assuage her fears by assuring her that [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] was on his way, but Marissa didn't even know who or what that was, so it didn't raise her spirits much. Soon after, the powerful Sky Lynx arrived on Io and blasted the lightpoles to bits, but before Marissa, Wheelie and Blurr could board his cargo pod, they were set upon by the newest Decepticon warriors, the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. Marissa could do little in the battle that ensued, but was at least able to escape injury, nimbly vaulting over [[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]] as he charged at her. After Sky Lynx had successfully dispatched the Predacons, the team headed for Earth at top speed, and successfully delivered the transforming cog in time for Metroplex to transform and fend off an attack by [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. Soon after, Marissa stood beside her allies and watched as [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] addressed the Autobot forces on their concurrent victory over the [[Quintesson]]s. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

[[File:Killingjar marissa and monster.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4]]

As 2006 settled in, Marissa was aboard the EDC's space station in orbit above Earth when an unexpected EDC shuttle started an approach. Marissa demanded an identification from the shuttle's pilot, and was overjoyed to discover that was it was actually her [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|father]], come to visit. As the shuttle touched down in the landing bay, Marissa boarded quickly and embraced her father, but before she could lead him off the ship, its doors shut behind her and it quickly took off again. The shuttle was, in actuality, a disguised Quintesson vessel, and her "father" was nothing more than a solid hologram which abruptly transformed into a monstrous shape and attacked her. With a few quick martial arts kicks and chops, Marissa had downed the simulation, and then discovered she was not the Quintesson scientist's only captive: [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]], [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], and [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] had also been abducted to participate in the Quintesson's experiments. Knocked out by a [[submission field]], Marissa was to be the Quintesson's first examination subject, but Wreck-Gar was able to deactivate the submission device, allowing her to overpower the feeble Quintesson scientist.

[[File:Killingjar negative wreckgar marissa quint.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]

Chaos ensued when the ship passed through an [[electron storm]], and Marissa used the fighting as a cover to reach the ship's controls, intending to plot a course back to Earth. Unfortunately, the ship was now caught in the gravity of a [[black hole]], and Marissa had to stop everyone from fighting so they could work together to assess the situation. The Quintesson scientist attempted to flee aboard the ship's lone working escape pod, but Ultra Magnus hauled him from the pod and attempted to send Marissa to safety in his place. Unfortunately, interference from the Quintesson's [[Allicon|guard]] delayed Marissa from boarding, and the whole ship was sucked through the black hole, into a [[negative universe]]. Only through finally putting aside their differences and working together, were Marissa, the Transformers and the Quintessons able to repair the ship and return to their universe of origin, where Sky Lynx soon arrived to take Marissa, Wreck-Gar and Ultra Magnus home. {{storylink|The Killing Jar (episode)|The Killing Jar}}

[[File:Marissababy.jpg|left|thumb|The inspiration for ''Kiss Players''.]]

Marissa was engaging in a bout of regular target practise at an EDC gun range on Earth, trying out "level 3" in her pursuit of a challenge. After blasting a target of Cyclonus, she was suddenly struck by a wave of chronal energy released into the universe by a malfunctioning Quintesson [[Time Window]]. The energy caused Marissa to regress into a crying infant, much to the shock of the EDC trooper on watch at the time. Luckily, the Autobots, working with the Quintessons, were able to shut down and destroy the time window, undoing the effects of the chronal energy. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (episode)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

[[File:MoneyIsEverything Marissa and Dirk have dinner.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|"You like me because I'm a scoundrel."]]

Teamed with the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] as part of a science unit, Marissa and her Autobot allies were called into action to rescue <s>smuggler</s> "free trader" [[Dirk Manus]] when his ship, the ''[[Lazy Sue]]'' was attacked by the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]]. A mutual attraction between Marissa and Manus sprang up immediately, but Marissa did not trust the trader entirely when he claimed that he had found a Quintesson base on the moon of [[Titan (moon)|Titan]]. As [[Computron (G1)|Computron]], the Technobots supported investigation of his claims, but until the ''Lazy Sue'' could be repaired, Marissa resolved not to let Manus out of her sight, leading to a romantic evening of dinner and dancing. This did not win Marissa over entirely, however, and she soon confirmed her suspicions when she tracked Manus back out into the desert where he had crashed, and discovered that he was actually attempting to transport a highly-experimental [[Recreator|molecular recreator]] to the Quintessons. Marissa attempted to arrest Manus, but he pulled a concealed weapon on her and shot the blaster from her hand before overpowering her in a struggle, knocking her out and tying her up. She was not found until the next morning, by [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]] and [[Nosecone (G1)|Nosecone]]—the rest of the Technobots had already departed for Titan with Manus.

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Marissa, Afterburner and Nosecone quickly made their way to Titan, and discovered that Manus had been double-crossed by the Quintessons, and a team of [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] were now on his and the other Technobots' tails. Marissa and her companions disposed of the Quintessons, but purely to rescue the other Technobots: Marissa slugged Manus in the jaw and was prepared to leave him to rot. Manus spun the situation around, informing Marissa of the molecular recreator and promising to disable it, forcing her to keep him around. As they trekked back to the Quintesson base, Marissa and Manus confessed their attraction to each other, but both also admitted that their jobs came first... not that that stopped them from getting rather hot and heavy in the middle of the jungle floor when Manus helped save Marissa from some living vines. But even that was a ruse: Manus used their closeness to grab Marissa's blaster, and walked her and the Technobots into the Quintessons' base as his prisoners. Marissa was horrified when Manus used the recreator to molecularly disassemble the Technobots, and when she attempted to rush the smuggler, she was downed by the Terrorcons. Yet again, however, Manus's actions had a hidden purpose: while the Quintessons were distracted by Marissa's outburst, he reassembled the Technobots, having always intended to double-cross the Quintessons himself in just this manner. With their injuries healed by the process, the Technobots formed Computron and battled the Terrorcons while Marissa argued with Manus that he could have trusted her with his plans. With the villains dispatched, Marissa took possession of the recreator, and everyone returned to Earth. Marissa regretted that she could not give Manus the credits the Quintessons had duped him out of... until [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)|Lightspeed]] came racing up to inform her that the credits had disappeared from the EDC coffers. Marissa turned to Dirk, and before she could even finish accusing him, he kissed her, threw her to the ground, and escaped aboard the ''Lazy Sue''. Out in space, however, Manus discovered that Marissa had replaced the credits with [[mimic dust]], and he could only laugh at the prim and proper EDC captain having pulled a con of her own. {{storylink|Money Is Everything (episode)|Money Is Everything}}

[[File:Burdenhardest marissa finds rodimus.jpg|thumb|"Marrisa, I took some [[Hate Plague|bad dope]], can you help me to my bed?"]]

Marissa accompanied the Autobots to [[Japan]] during a series of Decepticon attacks upon the country. Rodimus Prime was feeling the burden of leadership particularly heavily at the time, and Marissa's request for yet more help after the latest Decepticon assault had been squashed proved to be the last straw for the troubled Autobot. Telling Marissa to leave him alone, Rodimus departed to blow off some steam. Understanding what he was feeling, Marissa followed in order to offer Rodimus someone to talk to, but Rodimus told her he would rather race, and Marissa decided to play along. As the pair raced, however, they were attacked by [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] and [[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] and run off the road. By the time Marissa had got her car back on the road, the two [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] had plucked the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] from Rodimus's body, reverting him to Hot Rod. Marissa called in the other Autobots, who were shocked to discover what had happened, but Hot Rod himself cared little, happy to be young and carefree again. The Matrix, meanwhile, wound up in the hands of [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], who led a Decepticon attack on Japan; Marissa alerted the Autobots to the appearance of the Decepticons through an EDC [[warp gate|Warp Gate]], and Hot Rod was able to defeat Scourge, reclaim the Matrix, and accept his burden. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in Japanese continuity as detailed above, except that the events of the third season, in which Marissa appears, occur in 2010, rather than over 2005/2006. Japanese continuity inserts several new stories in the resultant gap in the timeline; notably in Marissa's case, she features prominently in the storyline of ''Kiss Players'', which takes place before her appearance in the Generation 1 cartoon, but which simply cannot occur in American cartoon continuity, as the time-gap during which it takes place does not exist there.}}

=====''Kiss Players''=====
{{voiceactor|[[Lyrian]] (Japanese)}}

[[File:Marissa and prime in childhood.jpg|left|upright=1.15|thumb|Remember, a giant, sentient death machine is for life, not just for Christmas.]]
[[File:KP marissa in commando gear.jpg|thumb|Not another Marissa's Knife episode.]]

As a child in the 1990s, Marissa lived in [[New York City|New York]], where she met and became friends with [[Shaoshao Li]], who developed an extremely strong attachment to her. The young Marissa resented her [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|military father]], so when one of his missions went awry and she and her father had to be rescued by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], she quickly came to view the Autobot leader as a surrogate father figure... and perhaps a little bit more. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 34|Kiss Players #34}} Shaoshao didn't take Marissa's friendship with Prime very well, resenting the Autobot for, in her eyes, stealing Marissa away from her, and Shaoshao was forced to move back to [[Japan]] with her family before reaching an understanding with her friend. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 23|Kiss Players #23}}

Shortly after [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|Optimus Prime's death]] in 2005, the body of the new [[Decepticon]] leader [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] crash-landed on [[Earth]], decimating [[Tokyo]] and utterly shattering [[Transformer]]-[[Human]] relations. A governmental organization known as the Earth Defense Command, headed up by the rabid anti-Transformer fanatic [[Hitoshizuku Amaō]], was quickly established to force the Transformers off Earth, but support for the movement was not universal, and Marissa was amongst its opponents. Alas, these voices went unheard, and by 2006, Earth was Transformer-free, and the embittered Marissa decided that rather than try to fight the EDC with peaceful protests, she'd have a go at fighting them with big, pointy knives, as part of a female commando resistance group.

When Earth Defense Command brought Optimus Prime's corpse to Japan, Marissa secretly observed the arrival of the cargo plane carrying the Autobot leader's body. {{storylink|Kiss Players issue 1|Kiss Players #1}} She and her commando unit were quick to attack the convoy transporting the body, only to discover that the cadaver was a decoy concealing an EDC [[Autorooper]] that slaughtered them all, save for Marissa herself. Recognizing an unassuming trailer amongst the other vehicles in the convoy, Marissa sliced it open with her knife, revealing that it contained the remains of the real Optimus Prime. The exposure of Prime's body, however, had a bizarre effect on the Autorooper, which ejected [[Kayu Michikusa|its Kiss Player partner]] and begin to fuse with the Autobot's corpse. As if to bid farewell to her friend, Marissa kissed Prime, but with this action, she discovered that she was a "[[Kiss Player]]"—a human being who had been infused with the scattered cells of Galvatron, giving them the ability to fuse with other beings. Her Kiss Player powers unleashed, Marissa fused with Prime, triggering a transformation that restored him to life and converted his body into a new Dodge SRT-10 form. {{storylink|Kiss Players issue 2|Kiss Players #2}}

Marissa and Prime promptly made themselves scarce, and began travelling together, battling the monstrous creatures known as [[Legion (KP)|Legion]] that Galvatron's dispersed cells had also produced, while also eluding the EDC. Marissa thought of Prime as [[Transformer romance|her boyfriend]], {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 1|Kiss Players #1}} and Prime himself certainly cared for the girl, unwilling as he was to put her in harm's way, despite the prodigious knife-wielding skills that she could share with him via their kiss-fusion. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 4|Kiss Players #4}}

[[File:Marissafairebornekissplay.jpg|left|thumb||upright=1.2|Marissa buys [[Mint in sealed box|MISB]] because she wants a GERM FREE toy.]]

Knife skills were not Marissa's only attribute, however: she was also a talented surfer, and wondered if she could share ''that'' ability with Prime via their fusion. As it turned out, Prime was actually [[The Ultimate Doom, Part 3|already quite skilled in that area]]. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 7|Kiss Players #7}} Prime soon found a better use for Marissa's surfboard when he used his new powers to transform it into a knife so he could make use of the skills Marissa's fusion gave with him. Marissa was not very happy, {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 10|Kiss Players #10}} but took it in stride, and dubbed the new weapon the "[[Surfblade]]". In response, Prime named her shirt "The Three Skull Brothers", after the image on it. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 16|Kiss Players #16}}

[[File:Kissplayers2 prime marissa.jpg|225px|thumb|If Hi-Q made you that little bit awkward... cover your eyes now.]]

Prime and Marissa had a close relationship, as the girl washed Prime in "intimate" spots like his gas tank, {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 19|Kiss Players #19}} and they would go on "dates" together, at one point visiting the seaside, only to wind up in battle with a Legion created from the fusion of an octopus and a shipwreck. Prime regretted that these activities had to be carried out under the cover of night, and vowed that he and Marissa would visit the beach under the light of the sun. {{storylink|Someday, Beneath the Sun}}

Marissa later crossed paths with a girl named [[Atari Hitotonari]], and quickly became friends with her. Sadly, Marissa soon discovered that Atari was actually a member of the EDC, and realized regretfully that this would likely mean they would have to fight. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 13|Kiss Players #13}} Nevertheless, when Atari found herself in danger, Marissa and Prime rescued her on several occasions. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 9|Kiss Players #9}}

[[File:KP prime turns on marissa.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Hands, Mister!]]

Soon, Optimus Prime found himself suffering from a recurring nightmare filled with visions of his old enemy, [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]. In the grip of one of these hallucinations, Prime lost control of himself and almost crushed Marissa in his fist, but was thankfully able to regain his senses before he hurt her. Marissa and Prime subsequently fused, and were able to corral a legion of Legion for an attack upon the EDC headquarters. They found their way barred by a pair of most unexpected opponents: [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] had returned to Earth and become Kiss Player partners with Marissa's old friend, Shaoshao. Hot Rod believed Prime to be an impostor, and Shaoshao wished to see him dead so that she might "reclaim" Marissa as her friend, and so Prime and Hot Rod began battling. The tide shifted when Atari entered the battle, the attack was broken off, and Prime and Marissa now found they had to elude Hot Rod and Shaoshao as well as the EDC's force. {{storylink|Kiss Players issue 3|Kiss Players #3}} Marissa could likely never have predicted that Hot Rod would steal her underwear for Shaoshao, though. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 28|Kiss Players #28}} {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 29|Kiss Players 29}}

Marissa spent a lot of time reflecting on things after that, thinking back on the summer she had spent with Prime, {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 22|Kiss Players #22}} on Prime's own past, {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 25|Kiss Players #25}} and his current nightmares. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 31|Kiss Players #31}} After viewing a seaside fireworks display for their "last date", {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 34|Kiss Players #34}} Marissa and Prime again launched a Legion-backed attack upon the EDC. This time, however, Marissa, Shaoshao, Atari, Prime and Hot Rod all decided to set their differences aside in order to discover the true, dark secret lurking within the EDC. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 37|Kiss Players #37}} Venturing into the mysterious [[Genital System]] facility hidden beneath the EDC headquarters, the team discovered a mad plot by EDC Commander [[Hitoshizuku Amaō]] to resurrect her daughter, who had died in Galvatron's impact. Thanks to the efforts of Marissa and her friends, the plan was foiled, the [[anti-electron]] field keeping Transformers off Earth was deactivated, and Galvatron's cells were extracted from the Legions and Kiss Players and reconstituted within his body, which was launched off into space. As a result, Marissa lost her Kiss Player powers, and Prime slipped back into death once more. {{storylink|I, You, and the Spinning Earth}}

[[File:15gogo sparkbots appear.jpg|215px|thumb|The ghost of the giant [[Kremzeek]] comes to haunt the Kiss Players.]]
Following the deactivation of the anti-electron field, the Autobots returned to Earth in early 2007, but Transformer-human relations were still in tatters. [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] came up with the idea of a Transformer-human singing group to try and repair relations and spread goodwill between the two races, and to that end, Marissa joined with Shaoshao, Atari, and [[Mini-Cassette|cassette Transformers]] [[Glit (KP)|Glit]], [[Sundor]] and [[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]] to form this group, the "[[Kiss Players (singing group)|Kiss Players]]".

While on their world goodwill tour, the Kiss Players arrived in North America to perform at [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Brave Maximus]] but just before the concert began, three mysterious glowing orbs appeared before the Kiss Players, and telepathically spoke to them. Introducing themselves as the [[Sparkbot]]s, [[Star Dust]], [[Angela]] and [[Zangetsu]], they instructed the three girls to kiss them. When they did so, the girls and Brave Maximus were suddenly whisked off through time, rematerializing at [[Sherman Dam]] in the year 1985, where they witnessed Optimus Prime's historic battle with [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] atop the structure. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 39|Kiss Players #39}}

At Angela's behest, Marissa kissed the Sparkbot to transform her and rode the flying lion to Prime's side, where, unseen by the combatants, she was instructed to kiss the Autobot leader. Marissa complied, and a fragment of what the Sparkbots called the "[[AllSpark]]" emerged from his chest. This, the Sparkbots explained, was the Kiss Players' mission—to recover all the fragments of the Allspark, scattered throughout space and time. Marissa regretted that she could not stay and try to avert Prime's deadly fate-to-come, but continued voyaging through the timestream with the rest of her friends to accomplish this task. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 40|Kiss Players #40}} {{storylink|Sparkbots Volume 1}}

The Kiss Players traveled from past to future, collecting AllSpark fragments along the way. Their adventures soon led them to the year 2011, where they fell into the clutches of the [[Quintesson]]s. Even the power of {{w|Moe (slang)|moe}}, despite transforming Marissa into a sailor-suited bunny girl, was not enough to spare them from the Quintesson judge's verdict of "not guilty". Fortunately, Optimus Prime and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Goldbug]] came to their accidental rescue, and the Kiss Players' voyage continued. {{storylink|Kiss Players Picture Story Show}}

On her next mission, Marissa witnessed a robot she believed to be Optimus Prime being brutally beaten in combat in a desert by the Decepticon warrior [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]]. Marissa hastily kissed what she thought was her longtime robotic beau, but as the Allspark fragment emerged, Angela explained that this was not Prime, but [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]], a human man who had bonded with a [[Transtector]] intended for Prime's use. Marissa was horrified that she had kissed someone other than Prime, and made Angela promise not to tell anyone. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 43|Kiss Players #43}}

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Things were proceeding smoothly until the Kiss Players began obtaining Allspark fragments from Transformers participating in the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]]. At the point of the Allspark fragments' emergence, an enigmatic, invisible force began appearing to steal the fragments away, starting with the fragment Atari recovered from [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]], {{Storylink|Sparkbots Volume 2}} and carrying on with those Marissa recovered from [[Lio Convoy]] and [[Big Convoy]]. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 46|Kiss Players #46}} The Kiss Players gave chase across the timestream, but Brave Maximus wound up crashing into the "[[Wall of Time]]", {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 47|Kiss Players #47}} and the team was scattered across the multiverse. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 48|Kiss Players #48}} {{Storylink|Sparkbots Volume 3}}

Marissa found herself transported to the [[Aurex 103.10 Alpha|MD World]], during the height of the Transformers' [[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|war for energon]]. There, she met the native [[Mini-Con]] [[Blackout (Armada)|Blackout]], who had become separated from his partner [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] after the larger 'bot's death. Having felt a similar loss when Optimus Prime died, Marissa empathized with Blackout, and told him that their partners lived on in their hearts. As the Transformers battled in space overhead, the mysterious force suddenly seized Marissa and dragged her off through time and space, {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 49|Kiss Players #49}} bringing her to prehistoric Earth in her home universe, where she was reunited with the other girls. It transpired the intangible force that had been plaguing their adventures was, in actuality, the power of [[Primus]], god of the Transformers, and that the Sparkbots were in fact, servants of his nemesis, [[Unicron]]. The "Allspark" that the Kiss Players had been gathering was, in fact, Unicron's shattered [[Angolmois Energy|lifeforce]], and the Sparkbots were attempting to resurrect their deceased master. {{Storylink|Sparkbots Volume 4}} Thankfully, Primus was able to trap Unicron's lifeforce within the Earth, but he would not answer the Kiss Players questions on what their own future would be. As his last act before he transformed into a [[Vector Sigma|golden sphere]], Primus returned the Kiss Players to the present day 2007, mere moments after they had left on their adventure. Realizing that her future was not defined by Primus or any god, Marissa vowed to make her own future, and enlisted in the reformed, restructured EDC. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 51|Kiss Players #51}} {{Storylink|Sparkbots Volume 5}}
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=====''Legends'' comic=====
Marissa was one of the many women brought to the [[Legends World]] by [[Tigatron]] using the [[10.2 ultra-drill|ultra-drill]] in an attempt to get women who liked him better than [[Springer (G1)|Springer]]. It did not work out, as all of the women brought over eventually swooned over Springer. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 19|Bonus Edition Vol. 19}}

=====''Story of Binaltech''=====
In a parallel universe which was diverged off from the mainstream timeline by the powers of a mysterious entity known as the [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Protector]], Marissa was stationed at the EDC's Mars base in 2005 when [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] and his Decepticons attacked. Marissa watched as [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]] appeared on the scene and challenged Megatron to battle for control of Earth's solar system. {{storylink|Kill Switch}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
In 2011, Marissa was briefly mentioned by [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] as a human candidate for the mission to stop [[Metamorphose]], but he was informed by [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] that the Earth Defense Command couldn't get involved in the situation. {{storylink|Approach of the Demon Meteorite}}

=====''Masterpiece'' toy bios=====
Following 2011, Marissa befriended an Autobot named Powerdrive who eventually revealed a secret about himself—he was actually [[Delta Magnus]]. When he was appointed [[City Commander]] and panicked over the possibility of his secret identity being found out by the Decepticons, Marissa helped him through his crisis with kind words and advice. {{storylink|Delta Magnus #Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'' Delta Magnus bio}}

=====''Unite Warriors''/''Legends''=====
In [[2021]], Marissa and her daughter [[Sue Faireborn|Sue]] were on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] as [[Grand Galvatron]] arrived and announced his intention to conquer the planet. {{storylink|Sky Reign Chapter}} When Optimus Prime came back to life only to reveal that his return was temporary and that he would die again in seven days, Marissa's daughter Sue burst into tears. {{storylink|Ruination Chapter, Part Two}} In order to make new happy memories with Prime while she had the chance, she gifted a Transformer-scaled surfboard to her old friend, inspiring him to take the other Autobots surfing in [[Hawaii]]. Marissa and her daughter came along and sat in Prime's hand as he watched his soldiers enjoy themselves. {{storylink|Crossing the Pacific Ocean!?}} She also accompanied Prime to the [[Disaster Relief Team]]'s musical rehearsal. {{storylink|Invitation to the Dress Rehearsal!}}

When [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] summoned Deltra Magnus to the [[Legends World]], Marissa happened to be brought along for the ride. On her suggestion, they spent a day checking the dimension out just for fun. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Magna Convoy)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}} Marissa and Sue later had a fight that caused Sue to run away from home. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 46|Bonus Edition Vol. 46}} In [[2022]], Marissa led the EDC against the forces of the [[Concurrence]], personally piloting [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] into battle. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Greatshot)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}} The following year she accompanied Jetfire to the planet [[Beast (planet)|Beast]] where she was reunited with Sue. {{storylink|The Road to Legends' Revival Chapter 1}} In [[2039]], Marissa enjoyed some leisure time with her daughter. {{storylink|Transformers Legends Final Chapter "Epiloge"|Epiloge}}

=====''Generations Selects Special Comic''=====
[[File:Marissa Selects.jpg|left|thumb|100px|]]

When humanity's [[Selector]]s rebelled in the year [[2050]], receiving support from the Decepticons, an elderly Marissa, now the director of Earth Defense Command, was present at EDC headquarters where she and her fellow former Kiss Players were shocked to learn that the Autobots would be fighting on the Selectors' side as well. {{storylink|Volcanicus comic 2}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Marissafairebornedw2.jpg|225px|thumb|Okay, but what if over all this EDC armor I also wore this sweet leather jacket?]]

Marissa was the granddaughter of [[Nathaniel Faireborn]], founder of the Earth Defense Command.

As [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] and [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] attempted to haul the deactivated bodies of [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]], and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] out of an [[Oregon]] lake, they were arrested by Commander Marissa Faireborn and a legion of [[Earth Defense Command|EDC]] troops. {{storylink|The Omega Effect}} Bumper and Warpath were rendered unconscious, and the seven Autobots were taken to the EDCs subterranean headquarters in the Nevada desert. {{storylink|Atonement}} Contrary to first appearances, the EDC actually helped to repair the damaged Autobots, hoping for their aid in investigating a mysterious Cybertronian energy signature emanating from the deserted town of [[San Desto]]. Marissa recruited Jazz, Sunstreaker, Sideswipe, and Bumper for the job, and led them and the [[EDC Night Force Unit]] into action.

[[File:Marissafairebornedw.jpg|left|thumb|You wouldn't be the [[Sammy Harker|first]] [[G.B. Blackrock|human]] he's done this to.]]
Even before they touched down in San Desto, Marissa had established a good rapport with Jazz, with both parties mutually respecting the other's skills. As such, when a sweep of the town turned up no civilians, Marissa instructed her troops to follow Jazz's orders as they would hers, as they began a more thorough search. Soon enough, they were attacked by an army of [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] clones, who killed off most of the EDC soldiers and captured Bumper. {{storylink|Infestation (Dreamwave)|Infestation}} Jazz and Marissa managed to escape to [[Crothers Auto-Body|a garage]], where they found a veritable abattoir of human and bovine remains. The Insecticons tracked them down, forcing them to flee into a subterranean egg chamber, which Jazz promptly torched. This provoked an attack from an enraged [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]], but Sideswipe and Sunstreaker managed to cover Jazz and Marissa's escape back to the surface. Once there, they were confronted with yet more Insecticon clones and the [[cerebro-shell]]-controlled human citizens of San Desto. While the Autobots were unwilling to risk killing the helpless thralls, Marissa waded into the army with fists flying. Further bloodshed was prevented, however, when Bumper took out [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]], neutralizing both clones and slaves. {{storylink|Extermination}}

Soon after, back at EDC headquarters, Marissa shared a few parting words with Jazz as he and the other Autobots waited for their comrades to pick them up. Marissa assured Jazz that he was not to blame for the loss of the entire Night Force, and seemed about to bring up the [[Transformer romance|strange relationship]] that had bloomed between the pair of them, until Wheeljack interrupted. {{storylink|Lost and Found (issue)|Lost and Found}}

Sometime later, Marissa was chewed out by [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|her superior]] over the loss of Night Force, who blamed the involvement of the Autobots for the mission going sour. Marissa defended the Autobots (and left the colonel distinctly unimpressed in the process, particularly when he learned that she was on a first-name basis with Jazz), but the colonel demanded that she reinstate her grandfather's [[Project Centurion]], in order to put the EDC on a more equal footing with the Transformers, in terms of power. Marissa objected vocally, but could not sway her commanding officer. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|''Robots in Disguise'' #28]]}}
[[File:DetonationBoulevard-YoungMarissa.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5]]
Marissa Bishop was the illegitimate daughter of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] officer [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Dashiel Faireborn]] and his old girlfriend [[Claire Austin]]. {{storylink|Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook issue 2|Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook #2}} She spent an unhappy childhood with her alcoholic mother and surrogate father [[Howard Bishop|Howard]] in [[New Jersey (Earth)|New Jersey]]; when her parents divorced, she learned who her biological father was and took his surname out of spite. As G.I. Joe operatives were, at the time, required to fake their death to join, Marissa naturally assumed that her father had died. {{storylink|Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook issue 2|Marissa Faireborn profile}}

While still a college student at [[New York University]], {{storylink|Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook issue 2|Marissa Faireborn profile}} Marissa was participating in the Occupy Wall Street movement in [[New York City]] when the [[Decepticon]] invasion struck, killing thousands and devastating the city. As one of the businessmen she'd been protesting against died in her arms, she realized there were much greater evils out there that humanity needed to stand united against. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 2: Detonation Boulevard|Detonation Boulevard}} {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (IDW)|Ghost in the Machine}} She enlisted in the military the very next day. {{storylink|Unification Day: Dawn}} Two years later, she graduated and joined [[Skywatch]], under the command of [[Sparkplug Witwicky|General Daniel Witwicky]]; when Skywatch was decommissioned circa 2012, she became a field commander in its replacement, the [[United Nations|UN]]-chartered Earth Defense Command. {{storylink|The Onyx Interface Conclusion: The Obliterati|The Obliterati}} {{storylink|Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook issue 2|Marissa Faireborn profile}}

[[File:DetonationBoulevard MarissaGeneralWitwicky.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|left]]
When the Decepticons returned in 2014 proposing a truce, Marissa was part of the group General Witwicky brought to the [[Antarctica|South Pole]] to meet with their new leaders: [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] and [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]]. Galvatron revealed that [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]], humanity's tormentor, had recently defected to the Autobots; thanks to Galvatron deliberately twisting the nature of this "betrayal," he persuaded EDC to form an alliance with the Decepticons against the Autobots should they return to Earth. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 2: Detonation Boulevard|Detonation Boulevard}} {{storylink|Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|Secret Raiders}}

At the same time, Marissa helped to forge an alliance of convenience with the Decepticon deserter [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]], providing him asylum on Earth and a source of [[energon]]. Eventually, Marissa caved and gave the marooned ex-Decepticon a dog named [[Buster (IDW)|Buster]] for companionship. {{storylink|Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook issue 2|Marissa Faireborn profile}}

Marissa's second-in-command [[Ayana Jones]], who had served in G.I. Joe prior to the organization's dissolution, eventually revealed to her that Flint was still alive. {{storylink|Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook issue 2|Marissa Faireborn profile}} The two met, but never formed a meaningful relationship. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|Behind My Bleeding Back}}

Two months after ratifying this-human Decepticon alliance, Marissa led a strike team to shoot down an intruding Cybertronian starship, one that belonged to [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]]. {{storylink|Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook issue 2|Marissa Faireborn profile}} The EDC took custody of the ship and its occupant and interred them in the EDC's [[Marshall Islands|Bikini Atoll]] base. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}}

[[File:RID28 Marissa Faireborn.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5|"Good work, Thundercracker! We're making you head writer on ''SVU''!"]]

When the Autobots arrived four months later to find Trion, Marissa contacted Thundercracker, using him as bait to lure [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s Autobot team into an ambush. Once Prime and his troops arrived at Thundercracker's home, she revealed the existence of the EDC-Decepticon alliance and placed them under arrest. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|Hello Cruel World}} The Autobots resisted and escaped, and Marissa left the pursuit up to her Decepticon allies. This turned out to be a bad idea when the Decepticons confronted the Autobots in a populated area, prompting her to try to call off the operation, but the Decepticons didn't listen. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 2: Detonation Boulevard|Detonation Boulevard}} Bad came to worse as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] joined the fight and the Transformers revealed their [[robot mode]]s to the civilians, forcing Marissa to deploy the EDC's trump card: a [[mindbomb]] that knocked the Decepticons out cold, cutting the conflict short. The Autobots got away, and Marissa and her troops quickly got busy covering up what had happened. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}}

While reporting on the clean-up to General Witwicky and [[Sanjay Bharwaney]], located at the EDC's [[Marshall Islands]] base, Marissa was interrupted by Galvatron and Soundwave teleporting into the base and crushing the comm-link. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 4: Full Fathom Five|Full Fathom Five}} She immediately had Thundercracker fly her to the base, arriving in the middle of a battle between the Autobots and Decepticons only to find Witwicky dead. Galvatron claimed the general had been killed by the Autobot [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]], which Marissa believed, knowing of Prowl's grudge against [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Spike Witwicky]]. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 5: I Dream of Wires|I Dream of Wires}}

[[File:TheObliterati-MarissaElbowsSpike.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.5|"That's for showing up in Season 3 ya jerk!"]]

Marissa and [[Ayana Jones]] traveled to [[Tokyo]] to meet with [[G.B. Blackrock|Garrison Blackrock]], CEO of [[Onyx]] and provider of much of the EDC's tech, in response to the reemergence of Spike Witwicky and his threat against Onyx. She was unimpressed with Blackrock's outrage and informed him that Witwicky was never part of the EDC, but that they would capture him regardless. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part One: Signals, Calls, and Marches|Signals, Calls, and Marches}} When Prowl and the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] appeared in Tokyo also in search of Witwicky, Marissa's called for reinforcements as she herself prioritized evacuating Blackrock. Blackrock shocked her with the revelation that he possessed Cybertronian relics, then requested they change course to [[Wanmu]] to protect them. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part Two: Vs.|Vs.}} At the Wanmu Onyx base, Marissa was given a tour on Blackrock's collection, most importantly the [[Enigma of Combination]] that he claimed had caused the evolution of human society. The tour was rudely interrupted by Prowl's Devastator, come to retrieve the Enigma. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part Three: ONoffON|ONoffON}} Faireborn and [[Ayana Jones]] found themselves drawing guns on Spike, who pretended Faireborn was an old romantic conquest to confuse and get the drop on her (you're a creep, Spike). When the aforementioned Devastator distracted him, she clobbered him. The incident ended with Spike arrested, the loss of EDC's robot drone army, and Galvatron irked that Faireborn and the EDC had kept information about said drones from him. {{storylink|The Onyx Interface Conclusion: The Obliterati|The Obliterati}}

Soon after, Faireborn and Jones visited the Decepticon's new [[Sanctuary Station|space station commune]] alongside a gladhandling Blackrock. Both EDC women were worried about him and his stories, and Marissa dropped the bombshell that they had no trace of Blackrock ''existing'' until three years ago. Still, she thought, better to have him on their side than running unchecked, right? {{storylink|South of Heaven}} Not long after, Blackrock used this to gain access to Spike's cell. (Marissa wasn't interested in anything the prisoner had to say. Nor was she interested in listening to Thundercracker's new script but tough shit ''there'') {{storylink|The Nothing Man}}

[[File:Helden-EDCAndThundercracker.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5]]
Soon after, Thundercracker learned about Christmas and decided to write a children's story where he was a noir detective investigating a murder caused by Megatron to frame Santa Claus which he read to Marissa. She had some criticisms to offer, namely being killed on page two. {{storylink|The Thirteenth Day of Christmas}}

What Marissa didn't know was that Blackrock had Autobot prisoners under the EDC base and his Onyx Interface was allowing him to spy on all Earth systems. While she groused about Buster the dog peeing on the floor, that same dog and [[D.0.C.]] busted the conspiracy wide open! Faireborn had just enough time to realise what was going on before Galvatron attacked, revealing Blackrock was a sleeper agent for his rival Cybertronian, [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]]. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 3: Helden|Helden}} Thundercracker, the Autobots, and the E.D.C. gathered their forces in order to prepare for Galvatron's oncoming invasion of the planet. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 4: Perihelion|Perihelion}}

[[File:NoFairFights-MarissaInTrouble.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2]]

When an all out brawl between Autobots and Decepticons broke out in Shanghai, Faireborn ordered the Mind-Bomb fired on all Cybertronians in the city, offering her apologies to the Autobots present for what would befall their comrades. When the victorious, and very ticked off, Autobots arrived at Bikini Atoll, Faireborn acknowledged that Optimus had saved the city from Galvatron and let him take his men without a fight but wondered if she'd done the right thing shortly afterward. The fact that Optimus annexed Earth hours later did not reassure her. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 1: Once Upon a Time on Earth|Once Upon a Time on Earth}} She and Jones were called to the [[White House]]. To her dismay, the President had reinstated [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Spike]] and made him her liaison the EDC while also putting [[Zilong Qian]] as a contact for the [[People's Liberation Army Mecha Force]]. {{storylink|New Worlds Order}} She and Jones later tried to explain to the President that war with the Autobots was a bad idea and that they should at least consider Optimus' message of peace at face value. Unfortunately for her case, [[Aileron]] showed up making threats and Faireborn was forced, somewhat reluctantly, to coordinate a defence. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 2: Edge of the Earth|Edge of the Earth}} Marissa was present as the EDC received satellite imagery of the Cybertronians' location from an [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|anonymous source]] and half heartedly warned Spike to be careful when engaging Optimus Prime. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 4: It's Beginning To And Back Again|It's Beginning To And Back Again}} She and Jones received a secret message within the larger message of Blackrock singling his location in the [[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]. The two removed him before [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] could kill him with [[Skywarp (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Skywarp]] teleporting them away. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above...So Below}} She spoke to the President again, trying to highlight the positives only for her superior to warn her that she would soon be removed from her post as head of the EDC. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 6: No Fair Fights|No Fair Fights}} Her replacement was General [[Joe Colton]]. She continued to work for the EDC and called back Spike per his orders. She later explained who Colton was to Skywarp and her opinion that the General was in over his head. {{storylink|White Light}}

[[File:and marissa faireborne helps too.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5|Garth Ennis Presents ''Transformers''.]]

After Joe Colton was revealed to have been [[Joe Colton (Dire Wraith)|replaced by a Dire Wraith]] and killed by the Space Knight, [[Rom]], Faireborn was called to the White House where she was to courier a briefcase. She defended her actions to the President before she highlighted the recent string of failures suffered by [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'s. The debate was interrupted when Marissa got an alert that Scarlett had launched an attack on Bikini Atoll to kill the Wraiths there. The Wraiths in the Oval Office, took this as their cue to attack Marissa for the [[Ore-13]] in the briefcase. Marissa was able to mow through them with her custom firearm and deduction of their biology before she called in [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]] for backup. Just as she and the President were cornered by Wraiths, the Seeker arrived and began casually cutting through the Wraiths. When he pointed out the [[Seeker clone]]s had attacked him, that led Marissa to conclude the situation room was compromised by Wraiths before [[Buster (IDW)|Buster]] revealed her ability to sniff out Wraiths. Marissa led the fight to the situation room where she mowed down countless Wraiths with her rifle as Thundercracker killed their leader. After the crisis had passed, Marissa reunited Thundercracker with his friends before the Cybertronian announced he was going on a road trip. {{storylink|Thundercracker & Buster Save the World}} Marissa was still fired but at least the President apologized for it. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|Behind My Bleeding Back}}

[[File:DanceAmongTheShadows-unhappyreunion.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.5|"So, um, this, is, uh, awkward, but, uh, have-have we ever actually, you know, met?"]]

Marissa joined Thundercracker on his road trip and was in [[Egypt]] taking in the sights before Thundercracker received a call. The Seeker however dismissed it as a wrong number and Marissa went off followed by Buster. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 2: A Lonely Pillar on the Plain|A Lonely Pillar on the Plain}} Marissa was soon reunited with her estranged father who wanted her to join G.I. Joe, so that Thundercracker would aid the team with a Cybertronian problem. The discussion did not go well as Marissa would not be in charge again before she derisively commented on her father's [[Chameleon (G.I. Joe)|latest romantic partner]] (a woman ''barely older'' than her), lamenting that he never changed. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|Behind My Bleeding Back}}

Marissa then went to take in the sights of a local bazaar with Buster before Thundercracker convinced her to meet with Flint by suggesting he wanted to get to know her better. With little choice, she went to meet her father and ordered him to land his [[Sky Hawk]] in [[Sicily]]. There she confessed to her father that she had turned down his offer, not because she didn't want to work with him, but because she felt there was no way to win against the Cybertronians. Therefore, she was just seeing the world before it all went to hell. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 4: Dance Among the Shadows|Dance Among the Shadows}}

[[File:OriginMyths-RepresentativeMarissa.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.2]]

Sure enough it went to hell when [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] began invading the world...and then all began leaving. Flint left to follow them but Marissa stayed behind until Thundercracker convinced her otherwise. Arriving at the [[Matterhorn]] after Optimus found a peaceful resolution, she brought forward the idea of a refugee camp for the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] and was rehired to oversee construction. {{storylink|New Cybertron End: Feel Safe Without Regrets|Feel Safe Without Regrets}} After donning a new catsuit, she argued with her dad about the merits of change before she went to defend Thundercracker from [[Pyra Magna]], an act that impressed the Torchbearer. Pyra drove Marissa around and expressed her belief that she and the human were the same and that the Camien wanted Marissa's help in overthrowing Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Next Day, and the Next}} Marissa and the President later watched [[Brad Emory]] report on [[Jazz (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Jazz]]'s interview before the President commented on Marissa's good relations with most Cybertronians, saying it was just what the humans needed asking if she'd given any thought to travelling abroad. {{storylink|The Life of Sideswipe}} After getting approval from the [[United Nations]], Marissa was appointed Earth's first interstellar ambassador. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

Wearing a stunning (and bulletproof) [[Barber]] original, Marissa departed Autobot City escorted by her father. {{storylink|Primeless, Part 1}} At the grand ceremony within [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], Marissa gave a television interview about her past experiences with Cybertronians, saying that the mechanical aliens were part of life and humanity would do well to work with them rather than fight them forever. Riding on a G.I. Joe [[Bridge Layer]] through Iacon, Marissa caught up with [[Ayana Jones|Mayday]] as they discussed the many unknown Cybertronians and that fake smiling was all Marissa could do in the face of thirty-foot tall politicians. {{storylink|Unification Day: Dawn}}

[[File:UnificationDayDawn MarissaRedShadows.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|left]]
Arriving at the plaza, Marissa was interviewed by [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] before a large explosion cut [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] off before he could finish his third word. At [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s command, Marissa and Starscream were evacuated to "Echo Point" by [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] and [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]]. {{storylink|First Strike issue 1|First Strike #1}} Marissa, however simply grabbed her firearm and opened fire on the [[Red Shadows]] before her father and Mayday insisted she retreat from the battlefield. As Marissa was being led away, she and Mayday questioned the lack of reinforcements before Flint deduced the Space Bridge was closed and Arcee saved them from death via a COBRA truck. Arcee then carried Marissa and Mayday to safety before the latter went off to find Blackrock and [[Centurion (IDW)|Centurion]]. {{storylink|Unification Day: Dawn}} On Earth, Thundercracker feared what had become of Marissa once Starscream ordered the Space Bridge nexus shut down. {{storylink|Primeless, Part 1}}

Brought to the [[Spire]], Marissa witnessed the harmonious teamwork and democratic progress of Starscream and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] before Elita put forth the suggestion that all humans were to blame for the attack on Iacon and summoned her weapon to execute all humans starting with Marissa. Far from being intimated, Marissa instead chewed out Elita for thinking indiscriminate mass murder was the sign of great leadership and mocked her intelligence, humbling the Carcerian into taking a more tactical approach. {{storylink|First Strike issue 2|First Strike #2}}

Elita next proposed mass deportation, and Marissa agreed that the humans should have stayed on Earth but since Earth was already a member of the Council, she and her species had every right to be present. After Starscream had locked up [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[M.A.S.K.]], Marissa visited [[Scarlett]] and promised that despite [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]]'s blustering, he would mobilize forces against Colton to not look weak. When Scarlett expressed doubt that Starscream could stop Colton, Marissa revealed that all she could do was try to convince Starscream to take the threat seriously and that she was regretting taking the position of ambassador. {{storylink|First Strike issue 4|First Strike #4}} After the creation of [[New Prysmos]], Elita glared at Marissa from behind. {{storylink|First Strike issue 6|First Strike #6}}

[[File:TheDeadComeHomePart1 MarissaFlex.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5|Are we ''sure'' this version of her isn't related to [[Lady Jaye]]?]]
Marissa then attended a Council meeting to discuss the state of Cybertron's energon and alternative energy sources. When Elita put forth the idea of invading Earth for resources, Marissa lampshaded the double standard present in the Council before noting that it had taken only forty-seven humans to bring Cybertron to knee and angering six and a half billion more was a bad idea. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 1}} Marissa was later retrieved by Blackrock and brought to the Cybertronian wilderness where Optimus revealed his plan to have [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] become Earth's embassy on Cybertron to protect the new generation of [[protoform]]s and show that Earth was as deserving of a spot on the Council as the other colony worlds. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 2 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 2}}

After moving into her new embassy, Marissa found herself beset by paperwork before Starscream stopped by and, to Marissa's horror, hired Thundercracker to produce a biopic about him. After Thundercracker came to Marissa to vent his woes about production troubles, Marissa arranged for him to speak to [[Bulletman|Richard Ruby]] about advice on film making. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}} Marissa was later present when Windblade returned to her seat on the Council. After Starscream kicked out [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] and [[Longtooth]] to prevent news of [[Liege Maximo]]'s freedom leaking to the public, Marissa asked [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]] what a Liege Maximo was. {{storylink|The Chosen One}} After Thundercracker's film had bombed in virtually all respects, Marissa comforted her friend before a call came in from [[J.J. Hackensack]] who wanted to collaborate with Thundercracker on his next project. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

[[File:TheGround MarissaWindblade.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.8]]
With Optimus, Marissa oversaw the opening of a jointly operated and employed human/Cybertronian [[Ore-13]] mine in [[Kentucky]]. When the two delivered the energon to Cybertron however, Onyx Prime and Liege Maximo returned to the planet. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} During the Council session regarding the two Primes, Marissa attempted to make her voice heard only for Onyx to continuously shut her up. When an explosion ripped through the [[Spire]], Optimus and Windblade shielded Marissa. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}} When it transpired that [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] had perished in the blast, Onyx took the opportunity to slander humans as a party that had corrupted Cybertron before fermenting chaos in Iacon, prompting Marissa to call [[Rashid Nasir]] and have him send the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] to help. When Onyx left for his ship, Marissa rode on Windblade's shoulder as the cityspeaker carried Optimus only for the Prime to fall when Metrotitan arrived. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 3: The Ground|The Ground}}

Returning to the Spire, Marissa continued her attempts at summoning the Dinobots only for Trypticon himself to decide that Cybertron has had it and spacebridge himself to Earth. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}} After fliers had failed to find the missing Optimus Prime, Elita advocated turning [[Vigilem|Carcer]] on [[Nemesis (BW)|Nemesis]] but Marissa dissuaded that line of thought in light of the poor luck Metrotitan just had against the evil Titan. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}} When Onyx was unmasked as Shockwave and brought before the Council, the Decepticon had his crimes read out with Marissa superfluously pointing out the damage that the scientist had wrought to Earth. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 6: Unforgivable|Unforgivable}}

Marissa soon went back to Earth to speak to the President regarding the presence of Trypticon - now perched atop [[Mount Rushmore]] - on Earth. As Marissa assured the President that no more Cybertronians would be squatting on Earth, [[Jazz (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Jazz]] drove up and turned himself in for killing [[John Powell]] in exchange for [[Rom]] being allowed usage of Trypticon's spacebridge. {{storylink|Unstopped and Unstoppable}}

The Dinobots soon arrived at Jazz's prison to petition for their friend's release, Marissa acting as a mediator between the Joes and Autobots before the [[Colonist Soldiers]] arrived on a half-cocked rescue mission. Despite Marissa's attempts to keep the peace, the situation escalated to the point that [[Gimlet]], in a burst of instinct, killed [[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]] before [[Slag (G1)|Slug]], in another burst of instinct, slayed the [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Eukarian]]. When the Junkions chose that moment to try and conquer Earth again, it was Jazz who defused the situation before [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] appeared in the skies overhead, Marissa reflecting that the time of chaos had come at last. {{storylink|Time Will Rust}}

[[File:Ceremony MarissaBuster.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0|right]]
Not wasting a moment, Marissa called Thundercracker so he could put his skills to use in the crisis before the President called her regarding Metroplex materializing by [[Victoria Falls]]. When [[Rom]] and Soundwave explained Unicron before the ''[[Peaceful Revolution]]'' materialized, underground, to take all the Transformers to Africa. {{storylink|A Sunrise Dark}} Donning a new catsuit, Marissa attended the briefing in Trypticon. Before Thundercracker left to play his role in the battle, he asked Marissa to watch over Buster, even should he not return. {{storylink|Assembly (Unicron)|Assembly}}

The Aerialbots soon arrived at Mount Rushmore, combining into [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] to revive the "Earth-Enigma" and allowing Soundwave to make use of the physical [[Enigma of Combination]]. Before the plan could be put into motion, Marissa pointed out [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] dropping from overhead only for Superion and a revived [[Victorion]] to engage him while the [[Worldsweeper]] flew off out of control. As Marissa protected Buster during the chaos, Soundwave and Optimus Prime initiated their plan to defeat Unicron using the Enigma and were ultimately successful. Marissa comforted Buster in the aftermath, assuming Thundercracker hadn't survived, but was soon happily proven wrong as her friend returned from space with [[Skywarp (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Skywarp]]. They had a joyful reunion and Marissa nuzzled up with Buster as everyone basked in the sunlight. {{storylink|Ceremony}} As [[Little Cybertron]] underwent repairs, Marissa talked to Arcee about her gender reassignment and her plans for the future. Marissa was later present at Optimus' funeral, openly mourning his passing. {{storylink|Post}}
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==Games==
===Transformers: Forged to Fight===
[[File:Marissa Faireborn Forged to Fight.png|thumb|right|300px|This is my ass-kicking suit.]]
Marissa was present on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] when it strangely crash-landed on a [[New Quintessa|mysterious planet]]. In the Campaign she gives some helpful suggestions to [[You|the Commander]] and the [[Autobot]]s.
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==Toys==
===''Binaltech Asterisk''===
*'''Black Convoy meets Melissa''' (2006?)
**''ID number:'' '''BTA-04'''
**''Accessories:'' Engine/blaster

:A planned release of the ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Alternators|Optimus Prime]] in Japanese markets, ''[[The Transformers: Binaltech Asterisk|Binaltech Asterisk]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Binaltech Asterisk|Black Convoy]] was solicited to retailers in 2005, in a set with an accompanying "Melissa" figurine (as was usual for the ''Asterisk'' line). However, those solicitations were withdrawn and the toy quietly cancelled by the end of the year, with the mold and Melissa instead being released as ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Kiss Players|Convoy]] × [[#Kiss Players 2|Melissa]] in [[2006]].
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===''Kiss Players''===
[[File:Marissafairebornkptoy.jpg|215px|thumb|EDC Casual Fridays; Note: She's supposed to be 20 YEARS OLD]]
*'''Convoy × Melissa''' (Kiss Players, [[2006]])
**''Accessories:'' Four arms, two pairs of legs, stand, "[[Surfblade]]"
{{toydesigner|[[Yuki Ohshima]] (concept artist)}}

: Available only as part of the headliner ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' set, Marissa's first-ever toy is a soft-plastic PVC figurine with a permanent pucker, designed mainly to sit demurely on the [[robot mode]] shoulder of her partner [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Convoy]]. Marissa comes with several interchangeable limbs; a pair of legs bent at the knee to allow her to perch on Prime's shoulder or sit in his driver's seat, a pair of straight legs to allow her stand upright (but only with the aid of the small stand included), a set of straight arms, and a set of arms bent at the elbow to allow her mime the act of placing her hands on Prime's steering wheel while she's sitting in him. She comes with a surfboard (that she really can't use) that becomes either Optimus Prime's "Surfblade" sword or a pair of long serrated knives. The set also comes with a CD containing the first 5 episodes of the ''Kiss Players'' radio drama and the exclusive 10-minute audio story, "[[Someday, Beneath the Sun]]".

: This set was originally intended for release in the ''Binaltech Asterisk'' line as "[[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Black Convoy]] meets Marissa", but was cancelled due to low sales of the previous toys before it was even ''officially'' solicited. How much difference there is between the planned ''Asterisk'' version of Marissa and the final ''Kiss Players'' version is currently unknown. (Although it could be assumed she was originally wearing some pants.)
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===''G.I. Joe and the Transformers''===
[[File:TimelinesToy marissa and afterburner.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Why would I need a bike when I have a Jetpack?]]
*'''Marissa Faireborn with Afterbreaker''' ([[2015]])
**''Accessories:'' Jetpack with rifle, pistol, figure stand
: Marissa is one of two exclusive figures available through both the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] and the G.I. Joe Collector's Club stores in 2015. She consists of a combination of redecoed parts from existing ''G.I.Joe'' figures; namely, the head first used for the 2006 version of Agent Courtney Krieger (aka [[Cover Girl]]), the torso and waist of the 2010 ''Resolute'' version of [[Scarlett]], the arms of the 2009 '' Rise of Cobra'' "Paris Pursuit" version of the [[Baroness]], the thighs/upper legs of the 2009 ''Rise of Cobra'' version of Shana "Scarlett" O'Hara, and the hands, lower legs and feet of the 2009 ''Rise of Cobra'' version of Courtney "Cover Girl" Krieger. This combination of parts has the unfortunate effect of making her neck appear disproportionally long.

: Her accessories are likewise recolored from existing ''G.I. Joe'' accessories: Her gun originally came with the 2008 comic pack version of the [[Iron Grenadier]], her rifle originally came with the 2010 ''Pursuit of Cobra'' "Arctic" version of [[Destro]], and the rocket pack is a redeco of the JUMP pack that was first released by itself all the way back in 1982, and has since been available with multiple different figures. These accessories are meant to emulate the rocket pack and [[null-ray]] blaster she used in "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]".

:Also included is a non-transforming "[[Afterburner (G1)#G.I. Joe and the Transformers|Afterbreaker]]" (aka Afterburner, renamed due to trademark issues), redecoed from the 2012 ''Retaliation'' Wheel Blaster Bike, in homage to her work with the Technobots in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original ''The Transformers'' cartoon]] episode "[[Money Is Everything (episode)|Money Is Everything]]".

::*''[https://www.yojoe.com/action/15/marissafaireborn.shtml More information on Marissa Faireborn at YoJoe.com]''
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===''Masterpiece''===
[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-31-Delta-Magnus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|That's me in the corner]]
*'''Delta Magnus''' ([[2016]]-[[August 27|08-27]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-31'''
**''Accessories'': Super Blaster Gun, 2 missiles, Marissa figure, 2 neutral faces, 2 screaming faces
: A mini-figure of Marissa is included with the ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Delta Magnus#Masterpiece|Delta Magnus]] figure and can be seated inside his cab in vehicle mode.
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==Notes==
*Although Marissa's father has long been accepted to be the [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] member [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]] (aka Dashiell Faireborn), there were no statements as to the identity of her mother until recently. In an interview on the Sony BMG re-release of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', former Transformers writer and story editor [[Flint Dille]] confirmed fellow G.I. Joe member [[Lady Jaye]] as Marissa's mother. This would subsequently make Marissa a distant relative of [[Destro]] as well. However, [http://web.archive.org/web/20060319041539/https://joeheadquarters.com/interviews_dille.shtml in an interview with ''G.I. Joe'' fansite Joe Headquarters,] Dille added the caveat that "I've always thought of Flint as being too young to have a daughter that old." Furthermore, in the [[2005 IDW continuity]], its revealed that Flint's ex-flame, [[Claire Austin]], is instead Marissa's mother.
*''Kiss Players'' designer/illustrator Yūki Ōshima based Marissa's black leather battle outfit on that of the [[Baroness]]. He originally wanted her to infiltrate [[Cobra]], but had her join an anti-government resistance team when the idea was shot down.
*Early previews of ''Kiss Players'' implied Marissa to be a current or former EDC member, going so far as to feature an EDC logo on her shirt in early images. The idea was discarded, and the EDC logo was replaced with the set of three eyepatch-wearing skulls referenced above.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Melissa Faireborn''' (メリッサ・フェアボーン ''Merissa Feabōn'')

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*{{i|Marissa Faireborn}} at the IDW Hasbro Wiki

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Flint (G.I. Joe)

2024-02-11T05:32:52Z

KevinM: updated info

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:''Flint is a member of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] from the [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:Flint-G2.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|*ptui**ping!*]]
'''Flint''' is a warrant officer and occasional field leader for the counter-terrorist team G.I. Joe. Although a helicopter pilot by training, he's more than willing to mix things up on the ground. His real name is (usually) '''Dashiell R. Faireborn'''. He was born in [[Wichita]], [[Kansas]].

He is (sometimes) the son of [[Nathaniel Faireborn]], the father of [[Marissa Faireborn]] and the grandfather of [[Sue Faireborn|Sue]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Bill Ratner]] (English), [[Takurō Kitagawa]] (Japanese)|[[Albert Augier]] (European French)}}

[[File:Flint-Season3.jpg|thumb|60-year-old Flint sports the latest in 2006 clothing.]]
In the year 2006, Dashiell Faireborn was still quite active. Although usually busy with his duties (whatever those may be), he occasionally took enough time off to visit with his daughter, [[Marissa Faireborn|Marissa]]. At least, he did it often enough that young Marissa was not ''immediately'' suspicious when a [[Quintesson]] used an elaborate hologram of her father to trick her on board its ship for examination and eventual dissection.

Judging from Marissa's reaction when told that her father was visiting, it can be assumed that she and Flint have a very loving, if not particularly close, relationship. {{storylink|The Killing Jar (episode)|The Killing Jar}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|Flint's appearance in the Generation 1 cartoon occurs in Japanese continuity as described above, except it takes place in 2010, rather than 2006. Japanese continuity also inserts several additional stories featuring Flint into the timeline.}}

=====''Kiss Players''=====
Flint and his family were living in [[New York City]] in the mid-1990s, but his work was keeping him busy, and his daughter Marissa was starting to resent him. As such, when [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] saved Flint and Marissa after one of Flint's missions went sour, Marissa began looking upon the Autobot leader as a kind of surrogate father figure... and maybe a little bit more.

Yeah, Flint gave his kid some issues. {{storylink|Kiss Players episode 34|Kiss Players #34}}

=====''Story of Binaltech''=====
By the year 2004, Flint had become a member of the [[Earth Defense Command]], working with the Autobots to safeguard Earth. After the Autobots upgraded themselves into [[Binaltech (technology)|Binaltech]] bodies with the E.D.C.'s help, the Decepticons infiltrated the project and began co-opting Binaltech shells for their own warriors. {{storylink|Arise! Evil Binaltechs}} Fearful that the unjust suspicions amongst the Binaltech Project collaborators that this breach of security had caused could completely derail the joint venture, Flint teamed with [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] to head up "[[Operation: Carwash (operation)|Operation: Carwash]]". This special operations units that would suppress information of the Decepticons' infiltration, and help to weed out the truth behind the infiltration, along with any traitors responsible. {{storylink|Operation: Carwash}}

Flint's investigation led him to the [[Concurrence]], a group of villainous humans who sought to eventually rid the solar system of all Transformers. He learned that the Concurrence had teamed up with the Decepticons to achieve their goal, and that they had used an advanced combination of [[Doctor Arkeville]]'s hypno-chips and [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]]'s cerebro-shells to brainwash innocent Binaltech Project scientists into reviving injured Decepticons for them. Flint transmitted this information to the Autobots, noting that it should go straight to commander [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] as soon as possible, so that the mind control devices could be found and nullified. Knowing that Concurrence agents would soon be upon him, he signed off by reminding the message's recipients to keep his cover story up by telling his family that he'd be enjoying himself at the [[Lunar Colony]] for a little while longer. {{storylink|Expose All of Evil's Designs!}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
Flint was present at a temporary [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] base-camp that was set up outside of [[Milleville]], New York. The Joes had been staking out the town after being tipped off about a [[Cobra]] air armada being on the move—an armada, they would soon learn, that included [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. {{storylink|Goin' South}}

[[File:Hawk yells at Prime GatheringDark.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"I dunno what you expect ''me'' to do about it, Hawk."]]

The [[Decepticon]] army, under [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s full command once more, relentlessly attacked the Earth in an attempt to draw out [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]. [[London]], [[Moscow]], [[Tokyo]], [[Washington, D.C.]]... the Decepticons' carnage was global, the entire planet becoming a smoldering ruin before them.

The U.S. Army was in shambles. The [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] team, under the command of [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|General Hawk]], was given the task of salvaging the dwindling counter-offensive.

Flint was present as Hawk voiced his fears about humanity's chance of survival; unless [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] could get them significant reinforcements, they were done for. Interrupting Hawk in mid-sentence came both Skydive and Optimus Prime... {{storylink|The Gathering Darkness|Tales of Earth Part Three}} which caused Flint to wonder if Skydive knew that "significant" meant "more than one".

Skydive tried to explain that Optimus was no ordinary Autobot, but Prime cut him off. The Autobot leader went on to explain his reasoning to Hawk and Flint, saying that a full-scale conflict would only make things worse. Optimus hoped to speak to Megatron, to make him aware of an even [[Jhiaxus (G2)|greater evil]] that threatened them all... which Flint promptly spat at, figuring the giant killer robot wasn't in a listening mood. {{storylink|The Gathering Darkness}}

====Marvel UK ''The Transformers'' comic====
[[File:Flint justdon'tknow.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|left|You [[:File:WildBill remembers.jpg|''do'' know]].]]

Flint was '''David R. Faireborn''', born in Lincoln, England. He wore a US Army belt, an honorary award for his part in a hush-hush mission. As the field commander of [[Action Force (team)|Action Force's]] European operations, working out of [[London]], Flint once found himself caught in the middle of the [[Autobot]]/[[Decepticon]] war on Earth.

When exploring a mysterious report of giant creatures in the [[Roman]] sewers under [[London]] with archaeologist [[Susan Hoffman]], Flint and the Action Force encountered first the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobot]] [[Blades (G1)|Blades]], and then, more ominously, [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] ([[Straxus (G1)|sort of]]). The situation swiftly escaped his control and, when he falsely believed [[Wild Bill]] to be dead, he sent in Action Force's [[Mauler]] tanks and [[Dragonfly]] copters... which Megatron stomped. Horrified by what he'd caused and noticing the Autobot forces couldn't stop Megatron, he ended up ordering a [[Skystriker (vehicle)|Skystriker]] air-strike on a gas refinery to stop the mad robot. Autobot leader [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] would be killed, but it was his life for countless thousands...

Flint bore witness to the sacrifice of the noble [[Centurion (Marvel)|Centurion]], who engaged Megatron at the refinery so Grimlock could be safely pulled out of there. After hearing that Centurion had been suffering from concerns that he was an outdated relic, Flint stated that Centurion was more an old soldier, and that he was proud to honour him. {{storylink|Ancient Relics!}}
{{--}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:Flint GIJoevsTFs3.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.0]]
Following the emergence of Cobra, Dashielle Faireborn became one of the three founding members of G.I. Joe, serving as their chief tactician. He was more than a little boastful about his strategic knowledge. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 1|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #1}} After taking on the codename Flint, he helped figure out where Cobra would most likely strike next, namely the [[SPS Research Facility|SPS Research Center]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #2}} Confident that he had planned for every possibility, he spent the rest of his time watching TV and ended up being late for a meeting. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #3}} When G.I. Joe prepared to attack [[Cobra Island]], two generals arrived from the [[Pentagon]] and ordered them to cancel the attack and betray their new [[Bumblebee (G1)|alien]] [[Wheeljack (G1)|friends]], as they were going to [[Nuclear weapon|nuke]] the island. Flint protested on the basis that the [[Transformer]]s were living beings, but his argument fell on deaf ears. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 4|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #4}} G.I. Joe ultimately ignored their orders and left for Cobra Island. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 5|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #5}} During the attack, he helped pepper [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] with bullets. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 6|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #6}}

Roughly two years later, Flint led a G.I. Joe strike force to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they helped the [[Autobot]]s defeat [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]'s [[Decepticon]] army. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

Flint and his troops arrived too late to stop [[Destro]] from illegally selling [[S.N.A.K.E.]]s in [[Cuba]], if only because the Autobots beat them to it. While flirting with an unimpressed [[Lady Jaye]], Flint got a phone call from [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]], who needed some help with a secret mission in [[Tibet]]. After being air dropped in the area by the helpful [[China|Chinese]] military, Flint, Hawk and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] started searching for the emitter of a mysterious signal. In the [[Himalayas|Himalayan]] mountains, the three were beset by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and [[Cobra-La]] soldiers, with the latter group easily shrugging off the effects of Flint's shotgun. He eventually managed to wring the helmet off one of the soldiers, and was horrified with what he saw underneath. The team retreated into some caverns, where they found wall paintings describing [[Unicron]], and were in turn found by [[Joe Colton]]. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2}}

[[File:Flintblackhorizon.jpg|left|275px|thumb|Let's hope that bag's full of laundry.]]
Flint was tangled up by a Cobra-La tentacle weapon and missed out on some action until Hawk freed him. He then called Colton a crazy old coot and pestered him with questions about his imprisonment, neither of which helped gain him respect with the older man. The two were suddenly attacked by [[Yeti]], but saved by the timely arrival of [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]]. After devicing a plan to use Cobra-La's [[Metal-eating spore|metal-eating fungus]] to destroy Unicron, Flint decided to "make like Flash Gordon" and come with Cosmos to make sure the fungus didn't eat the Autobot instead. They flew into space and inside Unicron's head, where Cosmos was shot down and paralyzed. Flint disembarked and fought his way through the planet-eater's "anti-bodies", and ultimately managed to throw the fungus straight into Unicron's brain. As Unicron was devoured from the inside, Flint escaped aboard Cosmos, cracking jokes all the way back to Earth. Upon landing, he was greeted with a kiss from Lady Jaye and words of gratitude from Hawk and Colton. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2}}
{{--}}

===''Transformers/G.I. Joe''===
In [[1985]], a G.I. Joe team led by [[Nathaniel Faireborn|the original Flint]]'s successor attacked a Cobra shipping facility in [[New York City]]. While the facility was largely destroyed, [[Destro]] and [[Scrap-Iron]] managed to escape via [[Flight Pod|Trouble Bubble]], an act that led to Flint being reprimanded by his superior, [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Duke]]. He apologized, but Duke only told him that "Nathaniel never gave apologies... he gave ''results''." Soon afterwards, the Joes detected the crash of an [[Autobot]] shuttlecraft near [[Portland]]. Flint and several other Joes were sent to retrieve it, and after meeting with a rookie team led by [[Spirit]], they repelled a Cobra strike team and recovered the unconscious [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]. Hours later, Flint and Spirit were briefed by Duke, [[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]], and [[Scarlett]] on the threat posed by the [[Transformer]]s. {{storylink|Targets of Opportunity}}

{{Unreleased TFGJ comic}}
At some point, Flint and the Autobots launched an all-out attack against Cobra Island to prevent one of Cobra Commander's evil plans from coming to fruition. {{storylink|Unreleased Dreamwave issues#Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front|Divided Front #5}} Thanks to Destro's machinations, Flint, his soldiers, and the Autobots became public enemies, making it much harder for them to foil the villain's plot. {{storylink|Unreleased Dreamwave issues#Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front|Divided Front #6}}

===''Unit:E'' comic===
Upon approaching the planet [[Earth]], the artificial intelligence [[Synergy]] presented footage of the Joes in action so that her crew-mate, the young [[Microman|Acroyear]], could learn about his potential allies and enemies on the alien world. Flint could be seen standing side-by-side with Wild Bill on one of Synergy's view-screens. {{storylink|Unit:E (issue)|Unit:E}}

===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
Flint was part of a Joe strike force. Their mission: to raid the town of [[Springfield (G.I. Joe)|Springfield]], secretly a Cobra hide-out. After rounding-up the Cobra agents in the town, Flint was called back to [[T.H.E. P.I.T.]], where the Joes learned that the planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was heading towards the Earth. A brief confrontation with the planet's representatives led the Joes to deem Cybertron a hostile force, the Earth went to war against the extraterrestrials. {{storylink|I Saw Three Ships}}

Flint was in T.H.E P.I.T when [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] barreled in, intent on retrieving [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s body, which the Joes had acquired in a previous altercation. He and the other Joes at the ready were handed [[Colton '45]]s and tried to repel the Autobot. The conflict spilled out into the streets, and merged with a bigger battle involving, among others, [[GIJONIN]] ninjas and the elder god [[Koh-Buru-Lah (creature)|Koh-Buru-Lah]]. Flint turned his attention and firepower towards [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], who had accompanied the [[Baroness|Serpentress]] on an assault on the United Nations. The brawl dissipated as soon as Optimus took to the skies, though Flint had become more determined than ever to take on Cybertron as a whole in its aftermath. {{storylink|Expelled from the Garden}}

After things got worse following a collision between Earth and Cybertron, the Joes initiated the top secret "Atlas Protocol" that saw Flint seek out and awaken cryogenically frozen [[Joe Colton]], who in turn brought him and the others to another Pit beneath T.H.E. P.I.T. where [[Atlas (G1)|Atlas]] waited. When the war ended and the Joes on Cybertron returned home, Flint greeted [[Lady Jaye]] with a salute and received a passionate embrace in response. The two went on to join the [[Ark II|Ark 2]]'s mission to find the [[Quintesson|Makers]] of both humans and Transformers. {{storylink|The War Never Ends}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
{{mainIDW|Flint}}

When Dashiell Faireborn was eighteen, he met [[Claire Austin]] in university; they began a brief fling that ended when Claire broke up with him and married [[Howard Bishop]] instead. Unbeknownst to Dashiell, Claire had been pregnant with his illegitimate child when they broke up and soon gave birth to a daughter that she named [[Marissa Faireborn|Marissa]].

Dashiell eventually joined the army and worked his way up through the ranks to join the best of the best in [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]], a process that, at the time, necessitated faking one's own death. {{storylink|Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook issue 2|Marissa Faireborn's profile}} He had many adventures during this time, even getting to lead his own squad that included [[Ayana Jones|Ayana "Mayday" Jones]]. {{storylink|The Iron Klaw}} At some point, he had a brief liaison with fellow Joe [[Chameleon (G.I. Joe)|Chameleon]]. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|Behind My Bleeding Back}}

Following the destruction of [[Nanzhao]], G.I. Joe went public but was eventually decommissioned entirely in favor of the [[Earth Defense Command]]. {{storylink|Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|Secret Raiders}} In the meantime, Marissa had become a field commander in the EDC; Ayana, who had been transferred into the organization, eventually revealed to her that her father had survived. The two arranged a meeting but the two never formed a stable relationship. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|Behind My Bleeding Back}} {{storylink|Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook issue 2|Marissa Faireborn's profile}}

In the wake of the [[Ore-13]] crisis the EDC was eventually supplanted by an overhauled G.I. Joe that took up the mantle of a [[United Nations|UN]]-chartered peacekeeping force. No longer a leader, Flint was now just following orders and he ''found that just as satisfying honest''. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|Behind My Bleeding Back}}

[[Image:yojoe-ly hill on the plain.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The helicopter was... full.]]

[[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s annexation of [[Earth]] into the [[Council of Worlds]] had turned the planet into a beacon for alien arrivals, {{storylink|Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|Secret Raiders}} and G.I. Joe found itself involved in the dealings of extraterrestrial races when a colossal [[Quintesson Cruiser|spaceship]] touched down atop the [[Matterhorn]]; a Joe taskforce led by [[Zilong Qian|Zilong "Talon" Qian]] discovered that the Autobots had beaten them there and opened diplomatic channels with the ship's owners, a nomadic tribe of [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]]. Their eccentric leader [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], curious about the humans, tried to grab Flint's [[Sky Hawk]] before the Joes made a show of force against the aliens. Flint told [[Zilong Qian|Talon]] to set down their helicopter before the Autobots invited the Junkions onto [[Metrotitan (G1)|Autobot City]] and derisively commented on the eager young soldiers to Chameleon.

It was decided that they needed [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker's]] aid {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 2: A Lonely Pillar on the Plain|A Lonely Pillar on the Plain}} and so Flint got sent with Chameleon to win the 'bot over, and Thundercracker's conditions included giving Marissa a job with the Joes. Flint did ''not'' do a good job, unable to promise she'd have the same command rank she once had and equally unable to dodge that he'd been 'involved' with the much younger Chameleon. Flint pointed out to Thundercracker that he'd technically fulfilled his part of the bargain and had him send his calculations on the Junkion cruiser to the Joe's Matterhorn camp. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|Behind My Bleeding Back}}

[[File:DanceAmongTheShadows-unhappyreunion.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]

En route to [[Switzerland]], Flint and Chameleon had a brief argument aboard their Sky Hawk before Thundercracker and Marissa caught up with them; Thundercracker having convinced his friend to have a serious discussion regarding the future. In [[Sicily]], the two had a more candid conversation: though Flint suggested that Marissa speak to her mother, Marissa was more interested in enjoying life before the Cybertronians took it all away. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 4: Dance Among the Shadows|Dance Among the Shadows}}

Flint, Marissa and Chameleon remained pinned down in Sicily when the Junkions briefly turned on the Autobots and unleashed a horde of destructive [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]]s, but were able to get airborne after [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]]'s rhetoric turned the Sharkticons against their masters. {{storylink|New Cybertron End: Feel Safe Without Regrets|Feel Safe Without Regrets}} Flint subsequently joined the efforts to renovate the abandoned EDC base in the [[Bikini Atoll]] into a refugee camp dubbed "[[Little Cybertron]]," though Flint worried that the rising number of alien immigrants would simply bring their issues with them as they settled on Earth. {{storylink|The Next Day, and the Next}}

Flint would join a small G.I. Joe taskforce designed to ambush and apprehend [[Jazz (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Jazz]] in [[Mexico]] after the Autobot was lured into a deceptive interview, but Jazz, forewarned of their arrival, escaped. {{storylink|What It's Really Like}}

When the time came for Earth to formally join the Council of Worlds, Flint and the rest of the Autobot City unit accompanied his daughter to [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], {{storylink|Unification Day: Dawn}} though [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]], watching from Earth, didn't approve of his formal attire. The event was soon thrown into chaos when [[Joe Colton|Baron Ironblood]] and his forces interrupted the ceremony, forcing Flint and the other Joes on hand to protect their human VIPs. {{storylink|First Strike issue 1|First Strike #1}} Flint, Talon, and Spike were rescued from a swarm of [[Red Shadows]] by [[Ironhide (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ironhide]] in his vehicle mode. {{storylink|First Strike issue 2|First Strike #2}}

{{--}}

==Notes==
*Because of the romantic relationship shown between Flint and fellow [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] operative [[Lady Jaye]], it is possible that Jaye might be Marissa Faireborn's mother, but this was never stated in fiction. In an interview on the Sony BMG re-release of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', former Transformers writer and story editor [[Flint Dille]] confirmed Lady Jaye as Marissa's mother. However, this did not carry over into the [[2005 IDW continuity]], where Flint's ex-flame, [[Claire Austin]], is instead Marissa's mother.
*Marissa's father is not named in "The Killing Jar", the episode in which his holographic double appears, nor in the script for the episode, where he is referred to only as "Civilian". His identity was assumed from his voice actor, Bill Ratner, who played Flint on the ''G.I. Joe'' cartoon, and the shared surname between Flint and Marissa; this would later be confirmed by the Sunbow master Cast List, which notes that he is a "60 year old Flint".
*[http://www.tfarchive.com/cartoons/japanese/pioneer/SDLDpostmovie.jpg A group shot] drawn by [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]] as cover art for [[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer]]'s ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)#Season 3|Transformers 2010]]'' {{w|LaserDisc}} set mistakenly features fellow ''G.I. Joe'' character [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Duke]] as a flag-waving incidental character in the crowd rather than Flint. When the piece was reproduced for the art book ''[[Transformers Visualworks]]'', Duke was edited out.
*Although voiced by ''Transformers'' regular [[Takurō Kitagawa]] for his brief cameo in "[[The Killing Jar (episode)|The Killing Jar]]", for the Japanese dub of the ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero]]'' cartoon, Flint was voiced by a different ''Transformers'' regular, [[Hōchū Ōtsuka‎]]. Meanwhile, for the Japanese dub of ''G.I. Joe: The Movie'', Flint was voiced by a different veteran ''Transformers'' actor, [[Masashi Hirose]].
*Flint has also been voiced by other ''Transformers'' voice actors: [[Michael Donovan]] in the DiC seasons of ''G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero'', [[Brian Dobson]] in the ''G.I. Joe Spy Troops'' and ''Valor Vs. Venom'' animated movies, and [[Charlie Adler]] in the ''G.I. Joe: Resolute'' mini-series.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Faireborn''' (フェアボーン ''Feabōn'')

==External links==
*[http://www.yojoe.com/action/85/flint.shtml Flint at YoJoe.com]
*{{i|Flint}} at the IDW Hasbro Wiki

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