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==Commercials==
Hey, had a few questions/thoughts regarding the [[Commercial]] page and wanted to see what you thought about them.

1. The narrator for most of the RID commercials sounds like Neil Kaplan. Would you agree? I think we could email him about that through his website, but would an unpublished e-mail be good enough for confirmation?

2. Along the same vein, I'm really starting to think Even Keel is none other than David Kaye. Again, do you think it's him? We could probably get someone to ask him at BotCon this year (I'd do it myself but I'm not able to attend).

3. Found some interesting info here: http://www.kwcc.com/house/credits/lead.html
But I'm not sure just how to integrate it into the wiki, or if there's enough there to justify it.

4. Thinking about the non-network cartoon promos, what would constitute enough evidence to show it was a nationally used promo. Would clips of the same promo on two different stations be sufficient, or do we need more?

5. Came up with one more, regarding the Energon Optimus/Scorponok commercial. The static, "Each sold separately", shot of the toys doesn't just have the two featured toys. It also has Energon Unicron! I can't find any reference to a longer version of this commercial anywhere online. Is it possible a longer version of such a recent commercial could completely escape the fandom's notice? Or was it left on the cutting room floor and the end shot is all that made it to air?

6. On the subject of movie trailers, I'm not finding any evidence to support what you have listed for #2 and #3. #2 appears to be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbF4mv891Nk which is a fan-made trailer. As for #3, I can't find any example of it. The description seems to be the same as that of "Hidden". What were you basing those entries on? On a related note, the menu on disc 2 of the DVD special edition as well as the file name for the same content on the HD-DVD version refers to the teaser trailer as Teaser Trailer #1. So I think that's why the first full length trailer is listed as #2. What #3 is or was, I've no idea.

--[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 22:19, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

:Sorry I haven't addressed any of these... just haven't had time. I don't know much about the post-G1 commercials, only what I've been able to dig up online, and it's been a long time since I put some of this together. I'll try and put in some time on this next week. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:17, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

::Not a problem. I'm sorry about going overkill with my messages. The lack of response for so long gave me the impression you didn't know the list was here. I'll be more patient in the future.

::As for the list, take all the time you need. I'd prefer the movie trailer entry to be looked at first, if possible. I have one minor addition in that I found a third Dinobot commercial: http://www.retrostatic.com/videos/p803_sectionid/999999/p803_js_on/1/p803_fileid/483
::I'm wondering if this one ever made it to air? Some of the aesthetics are so different from other G1 commercials that it seems like a test version or something. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 23:28, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

:::Looks like you were right about the two 2007 movie "trailers". I think those are all pretty well sorted out now... unless somebody wants to start a list of Japanese ads, which would open a huge can of worms since it would mean going back to G1 as well. (that'd probably need to be a separate page.)
:::I don't have enough grasp on Neil Kaplan or David Kaye's "natural" voices to figure out if they were narrating those ads, though I'll have a listen when I have time. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:20, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

::::Ok, cool. Since you've been going through the 2007 Movie tv spots I thought you might want to see this list: http://www.themoviebox.net/movies/2007/STUVWXYZ/Transformers/trailer.php Several of the spots you have listed appear to have actual "names" (not just according to the list but Michael Bay's MySpace account and other seemingly official sources) instead of being the "Nickelodeon spot version A". I believe there's even some that aren't currently listed.
::::Funny you should mention the Japanese ads, as I had thought about that myself. But given the can of worms as you said, plus the need for translation help, I don't know if I'd try tackling it anytime soon.
::::On a almost unrelated note, why did you remove the Micromasters commercial entry? I don't think it was redundant and I did find a video of it (Just hadn't gotten around to updating the Wiki): http://www.retrostatic.com/videos/p803_sectionid/13/p803_fileid/675/p803_js_on/1 --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 22:49, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::That's the same one listed as "Micromaster Patrols", far as I can tell. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:20, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Holy crap, that movie spot list is AMAZING. I'm not sure what to do with all those clips... I guess they should go in their own section? Or are they even worth full entries? Dunno. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:57, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Ah, you are correct about the Micromaster commercials. Nice catch sir.
::::::I think for the clips we should have a section saying something to the effect of "Preview clips of the movie were released to various TV shows and websites" followed by a list of the clips with brief descriptions. They're really just single scenes shown as is, so the only things to note about them are the when and where of the release and what scene. It probably goes without saying that only clips that were released as part of Paramount's/Hasbro's promotional strategy (or through a rogue Bay) should be included. I don't particularly trust that list in regards to the descriptions of the clips. Looking through the list, I found at least one of those is actually just the final trailer. Could be other issues where the site or TV show they link to isn't where the clip originated. The other sections look like they're accurate, but I would double check the clip descriptions to be safe. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 19:05, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

I was going through [[Commercial]] again and had two sets of questions. First, I noticed that someone named the narrator for [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sxMlvn3Dsw Autobot Cars plus Thrust and Dirge] as You're Gonna Get It. That edit was lost to the Bookworm crash, so I'm hoping you might know where that name came from. Related to that, I think that narrator is the same as the one used for [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df5GGZ3we68 Mini-Spies] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbcwV818LuA Omega Supreme]. Do you agree?

The second set of questions is about the "Original cartoons on VHS". Is this referring to the promos that were on the tapes themselves or a spot that actually aired on TV? If it's the latter, should we add an entry for the former? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 00:14, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

:<nowiki>*</nowiki>Nudge* Just wanted to see if you had an answer to the VHS question above. The other is just for personal curiosity so you could forget that altogether. Also want to point out my musings at [[Talk:Commercial#International Spots]] --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 02:23, 22 November 2009 (EST)
::IIRC the "cartoons on VHS" was a TV spot I found somewhere at some point. The promos on the tapes themselves is definitely worth a mention.
::I didn't add the name for the Autobot Cars spot... no idea where it came from. It's been so long since Iworked on this stuff that I don't remember much of it anymore.
::International spots? Go for it! I'd say a whole separate section at the bottom of the commercials page, rather than appending them to each franchise section. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 02:39, 22 November 2009 (EST)
:::<facepalms> I just plugged "Transformers VHS" into YouTube and the VHS TV spot was the second video listed [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_VcOThVZM]. And I have the RetroJunk link in my list of TF ad links. I have no clue why I didn't write it up when I found it or how I completely forgot I found it. Sorry for bugging you about that. Regarding the international, I'm compiling a simple list of any non-Japanese spots so I can see how much volume there is. The combined total is 29 currently. Enough for an 'international' subpage I would think. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 02:41, 23 November 2009 (EST)

==Rob's Big To-Do List!==
An ever-changing list of stuff that needs taking care of. I'll get to it eventually, but if anyone else wants to pitch in, go for it!

===Ongoing projects===
* S3 cartoon errors
* Marvel US Notes sections
**1 Synopsis
**2 Featured characters
**3 Quotes
**4 Notes
**4.1 Continuity notes
**4.3 Real-life references
**4.4 Errors
**4.6 Other trivia
**4.8 Covers (3)
**4.9 Advertisements
**5 External links
* Movie character pages - better images, vehicle mode shots (Op in DOTM, Sentinel, Dino, Dreads (group shot too)
Wreckers, assault ships, dusintegrator Rays

===Additions===
* Production info for Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Robots in Disguise.
* Packaging needs a ton of work and lots of images. Keep an eye out for MISB toy photos.
* Toyline pages: Most are just lists of toys. They need overview writeups: what common elements did the toys have, standard gimmicks, packaging notes, sub-lines, items of special note, reception by fans and general public, images of some sample toys.

==Questions to ask of official-type people==

* Furman:
** Was "Tales of Earth" designed to work around Yanniger's slow production pace?
** What was the Transformer life sign "in two parts" in US #74?
* Budiansky: was the US #5-12 written with the possibility of the series ending at #12 in mind?
* Hasbro team: can you talk a bit about "play patterns" and how they affect toy design? (word this so it doesn't sound so dumb)
* G1 crew: Were there any intentional efforts to reduce the use of certain toys in one particular media if they were heavily used in other media? Skids, for example, hardly shows up in the cartoon at all, but gets heavy promotion in the Marvel Comics. Shockwave also plays a much diminished role in the cartoon compared to his comics role.

==Comic series organization project==

MARVEL GENERATION ONE
Marvel Comics - publisher page. Short overview of the series, and links to:

The Transformers (Marvel comic) - Series overview page. Covers the US series and the UK series. Needs more images -- UK comic covers in particular.
Generation 2 (Marvel comic) - Series overview page.
G.I. Joe and the Transformers
Headmasters (comic)
Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)

Marvel_Comics_continuity - page about the continuity. Still need to link more stuff back to this page.
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Marvel_US_issues - not so critical now that everything's got nav boxes.

DREAMWAVE GENERATION ONE
Dreamwave - publisher. Lists issues but is mostly about the company.
Dreamwave timeline
Dreamwave continuity

IDW GENERATION ONE
IDW Publishing - publisher page. Intro to rebooted continuity and list of issues ordered by date of publication.
IDW timeline
IDW continuity

DEVIL'S DUE
Devil's Due - publisher page. Short history, list of miniseries.
Devil's Due timeline - No timeline page at present.
G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers continuity - Continuity overview page. Also lists the four miniseries. They should all link back to it.

G1 CARTOON
Generation 1 (cartoon)
Generation 1 cartoon timeline
Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)
Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)/src
No continuity page at present.

BEAST ERA CARTOONS
Beast Era - short overview page, links to main franchise pages.
Beast Wars (cartoon)
Beast Machines (cartoon)
Beast Era timeline - page doesn't exist yet.
No continuity page at present.
==Something to help your Energon recaps==

I recommend referring to NTFA for the japanese episode names and airdates of both series:

* Superlink names and airdates
* Energon names and airdates

I've added the info into the pages you've already done, so to simply follow what's already been written I recommend placing the Japanese SL airdate before the US Energon airdate in the Stats section, given that SL aired first and Energon suffered horrible gaps in episodes aired ;) --FFN 15:54, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Very late, but I just wanted to say how useful this info has been. -- Repowers 05:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

==Were you looking for this the other day?==

http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/Energon%20-%2017%20-%20Return%20of%20Demolisher.avi

Yeah, somebody found it for me, somewhere or other. I haven't gotten around to it yet; I've had to slow down on the Energon in general to preserve my brain cells. Thanks! -- Repowers 21:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that was me, and I linked you to the wrong episode marked as Return of Demolisher on Veoh. -Derik 22:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Sorry==

Sorry for overreacting. Thanks for fixing my userpage, much appreciated.--Detour 05:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
==Avast all-powerful Admin!==

Go port the contents of the MediaWiki:Recentchangestext talk page over to the page itself. I wants me logs back! -Derik 06:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure how to do this thing you speak of. You want me to move this page to this page? -- Repowers 06:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

So is it easier for an admin to clear out the contents of a category than to just go item-by-item? (I'm a bit unclear on how this works.) -Derik 08:10, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

If there's a way to delete multiple items, it's not showing up on my screen, and I did just spend a few minutes looking around for it. I'm just going one-by-one down the list. -- Repowers 08:11, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

The category list, or the file list? (I'm trying to figure out if there's any point to me flagging these images with a speedy deletion 'cat.) -Derik 08:19, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Category list. I didn't know there was a file list. Maybe I need to look harder. (I have a bad habit of never going to the Special Pages list.) -- Repowers 08:22, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Interrobang pointed it out, except you can't just delete blind, because a certain part of the way down it switches into real files. Is it any more convenient to have 'em in a category than this? -Derik 08:34, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Arg, no, there's no mass-delete function there either. I dunno if Suki or Walky might have such an option, but I do not. Unfortunate, 'cause there's a ton of these things, and the click-click-click-back button method of deleting them is slow and painful. -- Repowers 08:38, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

Given my choices I'd just have Deceptitran do it direct-- (he's already got all the problem files scaped to his database) but he doesn't have deletion privileges. :p -Derik 08:52, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

==Sorry for that..==

Was not looking at where I was posting. Sorry again. --KyleMD03 19:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
==Thanks for the Transmutate finishing summary==

Thanks for finishing Transmutate. But now I'm curious...not all the episode headers are standardized or link to the next/previous ones. Should we fix that? Speedball 01:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, i don't know what's up with that. Some kind of new template that they were fooling around with. -- Repowers 01:40, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

==That Nightbeat GO! box==

Those white edges are pretty raw and ugly there. I put up a PSD template [1] here for all to use, much cleaner. Give it a retry. --M Sipher 10:13, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
==Micromaster base articles, especially the Gas station==

You are the wind beneath my wings. --FFN 13:24, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

You have any idea how goddamn freezin' cold it is here in your shadow?! -- Repowers 14:49, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Too bad. Take it up with Bette Midler. --FFN 16:10, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

==Golden One's pupil==

Identified in the dialogue script as "Old Man"; the Red Wizard in his form, meanwhile, is identified as "Monk". Kinda funny when you consider they identify the Red Wizard's PET with a name... --Monzo 13:46, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

Does the script actually call the winged thing "sweet pet", like a name and not just an abstract term of 'affection'? -- Repowers 14:34, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

==Can I get you anything?==

Cold flannel? Chicken soup? Stomach pump? You must be a physical and mental wreck after that horrifying effort. Summarizing the whole of Energon should be the dictionary definition of taking one (or fifty-one) for the team. - Chris McFeely 21:09, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

You can find someone to take on Armada in its entirety, thereby ensuring that any lingering notions I might have of taking it on myself are well and truly squashed. Oy! -- Repowers 21:20, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

==A heads up==

Particularly unobservant people on TFW2005.com are discussing creating articles on TFW Funnies or whatever the hell they are on this wiki. So yeah, just a heads up in case anybody decides it would be a good idea to create articles on TF webcomics and fan fiction. --FFN 13:57, 17 December 2008 (EST)
==Flyer scans==

Hey Rob, I've added some flyer pages and brought a bunch of others up to speed, so I hope your friggin' happy. One that I don't have, though, is "The battle is far from over!", and I was wondering if you can make more scans of it. I'd like to see... well, basically all of it, but I'm thinking the front, folded up (to match the others) and the S.T.A.R.S. recruitment blurb in particular. Basically, whatever content is different from Reinforcements from Cybertron!, since I think this would be the very first mention of S.T.A.R.S., and I'd like to know exactly how it was initially presented. Thanks! - Jackpot 22:47, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Well it's about damn time!! :P I'll try and scan that one this evening and post it up somewhere. -- Repowers 14:28, 29 December 2008 (EST)

* Outside fold
* Inside fold

Go nuts! -- Repowers 00:13, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Nuts gone! Thank you muchly, sir. - Jackpot 04:27, 30 December 2008 (EST)

==US/UK navboxes==

From this earlier revision of your talk page: "Looks like the proper way to do it, but seeing Headmasters chopped up like that hurts my head."

Yeah, the slicing and dicing of headmasters was kind of a headache for me too, but looking through the issues and usch, it seems that this crazy wrongheaded order is the best way to do it. I'll stop futzing with the nav link chains on my UK re-formatting efforts. -- G1MarvelBlaster 08:58, 30 December 2008 (EST)

It's definitely screwy, but then, so was the original publication format. I console myself by remembering that if someone wants to thumb through the full sequence of Headmasters issues, there's the US nav links right above the UK ones. -- Repowers 14:25, 30 December 2008 (EST)

Heaven forfend we should have an alternate set "reading order" links when publication order doesn't measure up. No, that would be just silly. What kind of drunken fool would propose such a thing when the navbox template was being developed? "If we have a reading order function it'll save a lot of angst and headaches over peopel who want the forward-and-back publication order links to represent a reading order." Utter poppycock! -Derik 18:16, 6 January 2009 (EST)

*wonders if this is a good time to mention that, while going through and reformatting lots and lots of comic pages, she has thought about how awesome it would be to set up reading order lists for the various series and have the infoboxes automatically call them somehow instead of futzing with manual prev/next links*
I even know a way to possibly auto-prev and next comic series that are "Name issue #" thanks to something I had to cook up for my own personal wiki... --Jeysie 18:47, 6 January 2009 (EST)

==CamelCase variants==

The search function doesn't care how many capital letters you put in your search term, it'll take you to "BotCon", even if the "Botcon" page does not exist. —Interrobang 18:09, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Fer real? I've had lots of case-based search problems in the past, thought that was with multiple search terms. -- Repowers 18:12, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Yeah. "CRACK", "crack", "CrAcK", and "cRaCk" all take you to "Crack" if you enter them into the search box. —Interrobang 18:21, 6 January 2009 (EST)

...And it turns out this doesn't work on articles with CamelCase titles. Urgh. —Interrobang 18:24, 6 January 2009 (EST)

==Er...?==

Not that I think they're needed, but is there a reason you're deleting all the redirects Siph and Monzo created over the past few days? It's just kind of weird seeing their creation clogging up the recent changes, and now they're all deleted again.--RosicrucianTalk 16:42, 17 January 2009 (EST)

cur) (last) 18:22, 2 July 2006 M Sipher (Talk | block) (24 bytes) (Shortround (UT) moved to Shortround)
2006 is "the last couple of days"? -- Repowers 16:48, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Maybe I'm misjudging. Was all the recent activity on those marking them for deletion, then?--RosicrucianTalk 16:51, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Yeah. We stopped using (UT) ages ago (almost none of them are linked from anything -- I've been checking and fixing as needed.) I'm kinda shocked that there are this many still hanging around. -- Repowers 16:52, 17 January 2009 (EST)

I could also be going crazy, because I can't find the edits in question. Of course, that's likely because you've just deleted them :P--RosicrucianTalk 17:01, 17 January 2009 (EST)

I think you're confusing Monzo and Sipher labelling them for deletion as them creating the redirects. Since they put the delete template below the redirect code, the edit summaries automatically come up as "Redirected to X". —Interrobang 17:04, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Ah, so THAT is why some of them automatically redirected and others didn't. Innnnnteresting.
And yeah, last night in IRC Siph is all "Monz why don't you just nuke that (UT) junk" and Monz is all like "OMG DUDE LOL I'm totally not an admin." -- Repowers 17:07, 17 January 2009 (EST)

==Quote purging?==

Just out of curiousity, what's with all the quote deletions on the Animated episode pages? I don't really see any reason to delete them. It seems to be a shame, really. --Nightshade83 15:41, 28 January 2009 (EST)

It's come up many times that these sections are longer than they need to be. Most of the ones I'm cutting aren't particularly noteworthy or interesting or good or even comprehensible out of context. If anything, I'm being extremely lenient in what I cut. -- Repowers 15:44, 28 January 2009 (EST)

The quote sections are growing out-of-control . . . pruning them is a valuable service, IMO. --Jimsorenson 15:45, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Ah okay. I was just wondering, that's all. --Nightshade83 15:49, 28 January 2009 (EST)

Also -- a lot of these aren't really even quotes in a functional sense. They're transcriptions of entire scenes (which, like the first quote on Megatron Rising I, may be fun or memorable scenes, but not feature especially noteworthy dialog), or descriptions of action which happen to have some words in the middle of them, or attempts to transcribe a moment of particularly memorable voice acting, or totally mundane quotes that are only there because someone thought of a cute commentary to put after it (or worse still, a really-stretching OMG G1 cross-reference.) But that's not what a quote is really supposed to be. A quote should be memorable or clever or character-defining even out of context, even without scene descriptions, even if a person's never seen the episode. It should be relatively short and succinct, require minimal description, and not rely on prior knowledge to make sense. -- Repowers 16:01, 28 January 2009 (EST)

==Categories in Preview mode==

They're still there. You just have to scroll waaaaay down to see 'em.--RosicrucianTalk 20:03, 3 February 2009 (EST)
==Other Books

* Bunch here

* More here

I'd never even heard of some these before, like the Decepticon Camp one. --Monzo 00:35, 12 February 2009 (EST)

EDIT: Actually, this looks like this is the full gallery for that first page. Oops. --Monzo 00:38, 12 February 2009 (EST)

Aw man, just when I thought I was starting to get a grip on all this stuff. I both love and hate you for this. :D -- Repowers 00:39, 12 February 2009 (EST)

==Rob's Big To-Do List!==
An ever-changing list of stuff that needs taking care of. I'll get to it eventually, but if anyone else wants to pitch in, go for it!

'''General cleanup:'''
* Production info for ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'', ''[[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'', ''[[Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'', ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]''.
* [[Pack-in flyer]] - cleanup? Split? additions?
* Find a better front image for [[toy]].
* [[Transformers: Universe (comic)]] issues are still a mess. They should all look like [[G.I._Joe_vs._the_Transformers_II_issue_2|this page]] when all's said and done.
** Overview page looks awful.
** Most issue pages look awful.
** The caption "The universe is very large place." has not been used. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.
* UK Annual text stories -- which ones fit with the mainline comic?
** [[Trigger-Happy!]] - has Megatron and Scoop on Earth, so, no.
** [[The Quest!]] - one of those recap-the-storyline ones.
** [[The Return of the Transformers]]
** [[To a Power Unknown!]]
** Headmasters retelling trio
** [[Plague of the Insecticons!]]
** [[Hunted!]]
** [[Missing in Action]]
** [[The Mission]]

* UK Future Autobot stories -- cross-link somehow?
** [[Ark Duty]]
** [[Prime's Rib!]]
** [[Ark Duty]]
** [[Target: 2006]]
** Death's Head / Legacy of Unicron / Space Pirates
** [[Time Wars]]
** Dystopic future saga
** [[Aspects of Evil!]]
** [[Peace]]

'''Toyline pages:''' Most of these are just straight lists of toys. They need overview writeups: what common elements did the toys have, standard gimmicks, packaging notes, sub-lines, items of special note, reception by fans and general public, images of some sample toys.
* [[Generation 1 (toyline)]] -- Just about perfect.
* [[Generation 2 (toyline)]] -- needs re-writing, and images.
* [[Movie (toyline)]] -- main line has writeup & images. Many sublines have nothing. Add cross-sells.
* [[Beast Machines (toyline)]] - needs images/cross-sells.
* [[Robots in Disguise (toyline)]] - needs images/cross-sells.
* [[Cybertron (toyline)]] - cleanup, images.
* [[Beast Wars (toyline)]] - cleanup.
* [[Machine Wars]] - needs a few images.
* [[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)]] - Needs more write-up, and images. Purple Silverbolt would be ideal. Or catalog.

'''Standard format:'''
* [[Armada (Panini comic)]]

==Comic series organization project==
MARVEL GENERATION ONE
 [[Marvel Comics]] - publisher page. Short overview of the series, and links to:
::[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)]] - Series overview page. Covers the US series and the UK series. Needs more images -- UK comic covers in particular.
::[[Generation 2 (Marvel comic)]] - Series overview page.
::[[G.I. Joe and the Transformers]]
::[[The Transformers: Headmasters|Headmasters (comic)]]
::[[The Transformers Universe (Marvel)|Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)]]
 [[Marvel_Comics_continuity]] - page about the continuity. Still need to link more stuff back to this page.
 http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Marvel_US_issues - not so critical now that everything's got nav boxes.

DREAMWAVE GENERATION ONE
 [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] - publisher. Lists issues but is mostly about the company.
 [[Dreamwave timeline]]
 [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity]]

IDW GENERATION ONE
 [[IDW Publishing]] - publisher page. Intro to rebooted continuity and list of issues ordered by date of publication.
 [[IDW timeline]]
 [[2005 IDW continuity|IDW continuity]]

DEVIL'S DUE
 [[Devil's Due Press]] - publisher page. Short history, list of miniseries.
 [[Devil's Due timeline]] - No timeline page at present.
 [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers continuity]] - Continuity overview page. Also lists the four miniseries. They should all link back to it.

G1 CARTOON
 [[Generation 1 (cartoon)]]
 [[Generation 1 cartoon timeline]]
 [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon timeline|Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)]]
 [[Source:Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)|Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)]]
 No continuity page at present.

BEAST ERA CARTOONS
 [[Beast Era]] - short overview page, links to main franchise pages.
 [[Beast Wars (cartoon)]]
 [[Beast Machines (cartoon)]]
 [[Beast Wars timeline]] - page doesn't exist yet.
 No continuity page at present.



==Testing Comics nav template for mini-series==

'''''The Transformers: Infiltration''''' is the first in a line of miniseries by [[IDW Publishing]] set in a "re-boot" of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] continuity, bringing the presence on [[Earth]] of the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s into the present day and placing the "robots in disguise" concept firmly in the forefront of its narrative. Infiltration is set in the same time period as ''[[The Transformers: Stormbringer |The Transformers: Stormbringer]]'' and both are followed by ''[[The Transformers: Escalation]]''.

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...man, that doesn't really work, does it. What comes next -- ''Stormbringer''? ''Escalation''? One of the ''Spotlight''s?
:IDW's timeline is epochal, with each successive era marked by it's G1 miniseries. There may be other events that take place between the minis-- even (in the case of Stormbringer) major events but the G1 minis are the 'core' of the brand. We need a markup that recognizes this. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, that makes sense... so long as they all also link back to a continuity page so the complete picture is available as well. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I know I'm really late, but the IDW TPBs are numbered. Volume 1 is Infiltration, 2 is Stormbringer, and 3 is Escalation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:47, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Ah, handy! Will adjust accordingly. I kinda gave up on the mini-series nav box idea anyway -- it seems a bit like overkill. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

==Images==
Hi, as the self-appointed pics guy (as I probably upload the most pics here), I'd suggest that you use Photoshop to edit out the backgrounds of the MTMTE scans you upload, so we're left with a nice, white background that matches the default colour of the wiki.

I'd also advise you to use copyright tags when uploading images such as:

<nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki> for Hasbro/Takara-owned images such as stock toy photos or screencaps.

<nowiki>{{comicinterior}}</nowiki> for comic page scans (which apply for the MTMTE series).

<nowiki>{{comiccover}}</nowiki> for comic covers.

<nowiki>{{fairuse}}</nowiki> for general pictures relating to Transformers but not exactly owned by Hasbro, or its a legal grey area. This can be used when you upload toy photos that you didn't take yourself.

A tip for recognising artists - [[Don Figueroa]] is VERY prolific in the MTMTE series, and you can tell which works are his by by their big hands with vents on the back of them, which are his trademark. Another trademark of his is cyclindrical piping on the edges of limbs, particularly the thighs. Also, most artists tended to be assigned all the art for a particular subgroup or team.

If in doubt, use <nowiki>{{artist?}}</nowiki> and it will be added to the category of art by undetermined artists.

Finally, I would advise caution in using so many pictures from a single source, as it would be hard to argue fair use. -[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:12, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks for the tips. I may not have time to follow up on 'em all today but I will soon. Ish.

:The toy photos, FYI, are all my own. Isn't there some "I hereby release into public domain blah blah blah" template for that sort of thing? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

::I don't believe we do, at least to my knowledge. You can just say something like 'Photos by [[User:Repowers]], released to the public domain.'

::I've started adding tags to the pictures you've uploaded, but I'll leave the toy pics alone now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

===Slog===
Can you scan a picture of Slog's MTMTE robot mode? I prefer to use some kind of uncluttered 'profile' pic if possible for the main article picture, and comic panels for the fiction section (since there isn't anything there in the Marvel section anyway). Assumign the scan of is good quality, I suggest using the magic wand tool in photoshop to cut out the background, leaving a nice, white crisp background behind the character.

I'm going to request the deletion of the beast mode picture because we can't fit it anywhere in the article, and we should only have one picture up at the start.

Formatting tip - when you don't want images to jut into other article sections or mess up the formatting, use <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki> instead of a bunch of return key strokes :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

==US/UK Navboxes==
Following is the sequence that should be used for the remaining UK stories as their pages are created. See also:
[http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Repowers&oldid=128717 older list] rationalizing the order of pages already created.

232-235: King Con, Small War, Prime's Rib, Deathbringer

236-239 Wrestling, Way/Savage/Survival

240-242 Back from Dead, Out to Lunch, RAge, Assault

243-245 Resurrection Gambit, Mind Games, Two MEgs, Underworld

246-248 All the Familiar, Demons, Dawn of Darkness, Fallen Star

249-251 Skin Deep, Whose LIfeforce, Greatest Gift, The Void.

252-255 Yesterday's Heroes, Edge of Impact, Shadow of Evil, White Fire

256-261 Perchance, Primal Scream, Starting Over

262-264 Bird of Prey, Two STeps BAck, Break away, Desert Island risks

282-285 Kings of the Wild Frontier, Shut Up, Maneuvers, Assassins, External Forces

286-289 Deadly Obsession ,Lesser Evil, Frontline, INside Story, End of the Road

==Older Discussion==
I'm bringing this up to you since you seem to be the main person integrating them. It seems unelegant, but at the same time the simplest solution. Could their simply be two navboxes on each (relevant) issue page? One for the US comic, and one for the UK?

It looks like the shared stories are summarized under their US issue numbers, using [[Deadly Obsession]] as a single example. It wouldn't be much to edit these pages to make their UK numberings a bit more prominent; a navbox would actually take care of that fine.

It would also require some minor edits to link seperate second-story-only pages to the stories which they share books with. Just something like "UK issue #254 also contained [[White Fire]]." I think that could be fit into the UK navbox, or worked in with the initial information block containing the reprint notice is.--[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 02:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:If possible, putting it in a single navbox would be best allowing for as many listings as needed for the various reprints, as well as a "printed with" below the next and previous links. I don't think anything has been reprinted more than three times in a comic series. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
::Oh lordy lordy, the whole thing's such a headache I don't wanna think about it just now. But you're right, we do need to address it sooner or later, somehow. Someone who knows something about setting up nav boxes should probably decide how it's best done, though.
::There aren't any UK issues with *two* original stories in them, right? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I dunno about the Titan comics, but there was only one Marvel UK comic with more than two TF stories period (issue 232, which had a US story, the end of a UK reprint and the start of a new UK story. I've thought it over, and figured it would be best for one navbox per series instead od one with every comic series the story was printed in. That way, there would only be at most two sets of "next" and "previous" links, which could be done by adding some optional parameters to the current template.
The one problem is how to deal with stories printed in the same issue. Few of the B&W UK strips are multi parters, so some US reprints have three or four UK backup strips. Not to mention the ''Transformers Magazine'' of the current Titan comics. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:Got it made up. The real beauty is no change need to be made for issues not reprinted in the same series.

{{User:FortMax/Template:Comicnav | The Transformers (Marvel comic) | Issues #s 13 - 17 | seriesname=Marvel UK | prev=Man of Iron (issue) | next=Raiders of the Last Ark | issuenumber2=Issue #s 308 - 317 | prev2=In the National Interest | next2=The Big Shutdown! }}

{{User:FortMax/Template:Comicnav | The Transformers (Marvel comic) | Issues #s 13 - 17 | seriesname=Marvel UK | prev=Man of Iron (issue) | next=Raiders of the Last Ark }}

--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:24, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

::Hrm. I'm not sure why we even need to worry about the reprinted stories -- they're just straight reprints of previous stories, right? The chain of links should just run straight through the set of stories once, in the order it was published. Why not just skip the reprints? If we want to record the info, it should just go as a note as on the story's page. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:03, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

:::I was thinking the same thing. The main Marvel Comic page lists everything as issue numbers, but the actual individual pages are made for stories, not issues. So we take Story X. In the UK, Story X is followed by Story Y. In the US, Story Y wasn't printed and story X is followed by Story W. A UK Navbox would, from X's page, link "Y" as "Next->", and the US would link W as "Next->".

:::Now, I'm not very familiar with the original printing format, so this may be all hypothetical. Given what I just pointed out about the organization of the pages... standalone backup strips can either be "pooled", set aside, and then inserted into the "navbox stream" after the main story they backed up. Or, they can (more simply) share story pages with their appropriate main story. My first solution would allow for shorter, more concise story pages, the second would better preserve the issue sequence of the "<-prev/next->" links.

:::I feel like I might not be communicating my ideas properly, so please tell me if I need to clarify! --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I think I gotcha. It looks like we've already got a precedent, with (for example) "[[Perchance to Dream]]" having its own page. I don't know what else was in those 6 issues, but presumably it was something that's already covered in the US issues.
::::I suppose someone could come into the list link for, say, UK #259, looking for "[[Perchance to Dream]]", only to find "[[The Primal Scream|Primal Scream]]". ("Perchance" ran #255-260; on our list, it's linked from #255-258.) But anyone with that specific a knowledge of the UK stories will probably be able to figure it out... especially if there's a handy nav box to lead them to the previous and next story.
::::The contents of each UK issue could maybe be summarized along with the "also printed in..." note for the UK, though that's maybe getting a bit unwieldy. Not having a big list of what's in which issue hurts. Does such a thing exist on the net anywhere? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:58, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::If one isn't found by late tonight I'll take a stab at compiling one. I didn't find much on a (very brief) Google search for "transformers uk issue list". The best possible chance I can think of for finding one would... be on Iggy's old links page, and I wasn't able to pull that up on Internet Archive immediately. Like I said, though I'll have more time later tonight. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 22:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Heck, come to think of it? We should just have that list as a wiki page. Then the story pages can just be story pages, instead of trying to describe what parts of what are in which issue (ie, Perchance is spread across 6 issues. Are we gonna have 6 notes on the Perchance page? "#255 had Part 1 of Perchance and the second part of blah blah whichever story". Sounds messy and to be avoided.) Not sure how the issues would link back to it... maybe from the Marvel G1 page. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Got your list [http://tfarchive.com/comics/marvel/index.php?s=storylist here] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

==To-do-list==
Oh, I thought the to-do list was for yourself. You know, like a list of New Years Resolutions. ...you're not one of THOSE people, are you? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:It is, mostly, yeah. But if anybody wants to pitch in, that'd be nice too. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC), one of THOSE people.

== Good job ==

Hey nice edits man. You fix grammar too. Also I like the way you always edit things because what you did was impressive.([[User:76.195.186.73|76.195.186.73]] 00:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC))

You're doing a heckuva job, Powersy. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I just went to fix the 1992 Annual entry after realising my mistake, and you've already done it! Quick work. --[[User:Specimen-17|Specimen-17]] 20:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Carnivac ==
The deletion of your paragraph wasn't intentional. This is the third time this has happened to me, twice today alone. I initiate an edit, go through all the text carefully to check for spelling, punctuation, etc., and by the time I'm done, someone else has already made another edit. However, when I submit my edit, I get no "out of date version" warning; it's simply processed as normal. As noted on [[User_talk:Apcog|my Talk page]] in a discussion with [[User:M Sipher|Sipher]], the wiki response was very sluggish for me this afternoon, which may or may not have had anything to do with it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Ah, okay, fair enough. Sorry if I seemed like I was jumping down your throat. :] -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::No need to apologize; you weren't harsh at all. I'm annoyed with the situation, not the people bringing it to my attention.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 06:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Package art ==

[http://www.botchthecrab.com/gallery.asp?gallery=7 This'll help] with the back-of-package art info! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:53, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

==Template names==
Hey, Rob -- you might be done creating nav templates now anyway, but just in case you are planning to do more: I recommend using all lowercase letters in the name of any template you create. It looks like there was already a mixture of cases in the nav templates when you started making yours, but, if template names are always all-lowercase, that just makes it easier to remember. Like all wiki pages with initial capital letters, something like [[Template:Nav-armada]] can be called with <nowiki>{{nav-armada}}</nowiki>, ignoring the initial capital. But if there's a capital letter in the middle somewhere, you ''have'' to match it or the link doesn't work. I'll put it on my todo list to go through all the templates and remove extraneous capital letters... But for future reference, please stick to lowercase. :) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
:If it comes up again, I'll stick to lower case. I was just following what seemed to be the precedent, but what you say about linking makes a lot of sense. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

==Screencaps==
You've got some fantastic screencaps from the G1 cartoon on your blog. Any chance we could use some for episode/character pages? -- Repowers 19:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
:Why, thanks. The site is a little obsession of mine. I'd post more pictures on this wiki, but I haven't had the time. Do have some specific ones in mind you want? --[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 19:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::None in particular at the moment -- I was just skimming. Some of the group shots would be good for the main G1 cartoon page. Other than that, every episode page ought to have a couple of screencaps; likewise for character pages. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== Protoform Toys ==

Awww...after all I went through to be sure the parallel versions were all accurate, too. Oh well, at least one of my captions survived, and the individual toy pages are fixed.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:My sole purpose in life is to torment you thus! BWAAHAHAHA.
:Seriously... I almost purged the whole section before realizing it is a good idea to at least have some mention of toy incarnations. But IMO it's asking for trouble to have the same info repeated in two places like that. They'll inevitably drift apart. Anyways, what with this whole "World Wide Web" thing, we can just link from one location to the other and save ourselves the trouble! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::Ehn, I wasn't objecting to the deletion on principle or anything, just expressing disappointment that I'd expended some effort for nothing. As noted, the fixes still exist on Prime and Starscream's toy pages, so it's not like ''all'' the work was for naught.
::I kinda miss my revised Starscream caption, but I'll live.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:34, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

==Show bible==
... came "much, much later"? What, exactly, the ''hell''? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:Who on ATT in 1994 had read the show bible? NOBODY, that's who! It was not a consideration until years later. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

== "error" in Prime spotlight ==

''Bristleback asks a question ("Which is?"), and Birdbrain starts to answer it ("SMASH our way in..."). However, in the following panel, Bristleback is shown finishing Birdbrain's sentence ("...and kill WHOEVER and WHATEVER we find inside!")''

: Not an error, here's why... In the panel before, one of them (not pictured) says "It it him?" [referring to Omega]. Then someone says "Only one way to find out." Then, as above, Bristleback says "Which is?" [referring to how they would find out]. Birdbrain says "Smash our way in" and Bristleback finishes the sentence, "...and kill WHOEVER and WHATEVER we find inside!" In other words, Birdbrain started to answer the question and Bristleback decided to add his 2 cents in.
:I really don't think it's an error, it makes sense to me. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
::So Bristleback doesn't know what they're going to do, and asks, and after three words from Birdbrain he suddenly answers his own question? Given IDW's propensity for screwing up their speech balloons, combined with the obscurity of the individual Pretender Monsters, I think it's an honest error. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:13, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:::No biggie. However, they didn't correct it in the TPB. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 22:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Y'know, I was thinking that'd be a good litmus test, actually. In light of that, I'm gonna re-write the note in a more neutral tone. I still think it ''could'' be an error, again owing to the obscurity of the characters, but the lack of a correction makes it a less solid case than I thought it was. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:40, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::seems fair. cheers! --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 04:37, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

==Boxart copyright==
If the boxart belongs to either Hasbro or Takara (as boxart generally does), then we normally use the <nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki> tag, since it mentions the fair use provision of United States copyright law. But I guess the fair use tag is fine, too :) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:Ah, thanks for the heads-up. I wasn't aware of the difference. Will adjust accordingly! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 02:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==Something to help your Energon recaps==
I recommend referring to NTFA for the japanese episode names and airdates of both series: 
*[http://www.ntfa.net/ntfa/japan/SLeplist.php Superlink names and airdates]
*[http://www.ntfa.net/ntfa/energon/eplist.php Energon names and airdates]

I've added the info into the pages you've already done, so to simply follow what's already been written I recommend placing the Japanese SL airdate before the US Energon airdate in the Stats section, given that SL aired first and Energon suffered horrible gaps in episodes aired ;) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:54, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

:Very late, but I just wanted to say how useful this info has been. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

== How does a plot NOT conclude successfully? ==

I of course feel that the platonic ideal of a plot not concluding successfully in any meaningful fashion whatsoever, a comic that just leaves you scratching your head and wondering why they even roused Rob Ruffolo out of whatever alcoholic haze he was in prior to drawing it, would have to be [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] [[Micromasters]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:Hahahahaha. I was thinking nearly the same thing even as I wrote it. XD -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

=="Worthless piece of stupid trivia?"==
Buddy, I've seen a ''lot'' of "worthless pieces of stupid trivia" on here, of the irrelevant, personal canon, and/or just plain inaccurate kind. A while back, I had a huge debate with some editors on here over a trivia post I made on Blackarachnia's article stating how her telekinesis ''may'' have originated from her mind link with Tarantulas, with them saying that was wrong and had no basis in fact when it was "obvious" that she got it from the Transmetal driver, an opinion that was just as much speculation as they claimed the mind-link thing was. The editors here are mostly idiotic hypocrites that like to toss out anything that doesn't fit into their own "personal canon" as invalid for this wiki. I know for a fact that quite a few RiD fans joke about Scourge having Kelly's DNA in him makes him a transgender (as I said in Scourge's article's discussion, Ben Yee's TF forum made quite a few cracks about that), so it's valid. [[User:64.13.101.210|64.13.101.210]] 00:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:It is valid to discuss Scourge having Kelly as part of his biosignature, since he actually does according to the show. Notice the great contrast between that and, say, Blackarachnia's telekinesis being caused by Tarantulas, which is something you just made up. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're not listening to me. Go do something useful. This isn't it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 02:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Hosehead ==

Your caption fu is mighty. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

== Selling toys Sandbox ==

Good work. A few comments/suggestions, mainly on bits imported:

''The Hasbro-induced need to show all the toys can also cause stories to suddenly focus on a new character, sometimes dropping ongoing plot threads about older ones. Examples include:
* ''The comic issue [[Pretender to the Throne!]]''

This isn't clear for anyone unfamiliar with the comic and even if one is it's not really clear how this one jars too much, particularly as it does pick up on Goldbug and Fort Max getting new bodies and leads into the next battle with Ratbat's Decepticons. I'd say the disjointed narrative problems the comic story had in 1988 are more down to having two Autobot factions and two Decepticon factions all running around on or in orbit around Earth, requiring each to take a back seat from time to time (and the UK comic makes it worse by throwing in a third earthbound Decepticon faction, the Autobots on Cybertron, the Transformers in the future and various mavericks) and the need to tie up loose ends (and cartoon adaptations) than the requirement to sell toys.

* ''Mainframe planned to use [[Wolfang (Maximal)|Wolfang]] in ''Beast Wars'', but [[Tigatron]] appeared instead because he had an upcoming toy (and to save money as his cgi model was only a slight tweak of Cheetor's).''

That didn't really involve dumping any old characters. Scorponok taking a backseat to Inferno might be a better example but it's been a while since I've seen the first season of Beast Wars to be sure if that was the case.

* ''In the Marvel comics, the simultaneous introduction of the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], and the introduction of the Pretenders, saw a lot of rigamarole involved in explaining why both the Autobots and the Decepticons had new members with identical gimmicks at the same time.''

True in the UK comic but I can't recall any talk at all in the US one about Megatron explicitly copying the Aerialbots' combining ability for the Stunticons. The Head, Target and Power masters may be better examples.

''Power levels''

If you need a comic example, Omega Supreme annihilates six Decepticons in his first appearance over just a few pages (and would have got two more if they hadn't flown away). But in a later issue he's shown losing the return battle with just Buzz Saw!

* ''Megatron is turned into Galvatron three times - at the end of each series, he's turned back into Megatron but with a different body. This is due to Hasbro wanting to keep the [[trademark]]s "Megatron" and "Galvatron" as well as to sell more toys.''

Which era does this refer to?

* ''Numerous characters are killed in the Marvel UK comics saga [[Time Wars]]. The Grim Reaper seemed to spare either popular characters (Megatron and Shockwave) or newer characters ([[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]], [[Catilla (G1)|Catilla]], [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], and the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]], for example.)''

Erm the Terrorcons in Time Wars were from the future and there were enough problems with future characters dying in the present day already. And their contemporary versions ''were'' killed off in the Underbase Saga.

Otherwise the piece looks a good rewrite/slim down so far.

[[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 19:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks for the feedback. Some of that's just stuff that I didn't quite finish writing out as well, or didn't give additional context after pulling it from its original fiction section. Ironically, I think the page is actually a little bit ''longer'' than the pre-revision version. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:41, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== Were you looking for this the other day? ==

http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/Energon%20-%2017%20-%20Return%20of%20Demolisher.avi
:Yeah, somebody found it for me, somewhere or other. I haven't gotten around to it yet; I've had to slow down on the Energon in general to preserve my brain cells. Thanks! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I think that was me, and I linked you to the wrong episode marked as Return of Demolisher on Veoh. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== MediaWiki Stuff That Exists and How to Find It ==

[[Special:AllMessages]]

...not the most user-friendly organized list out there, to be sure, but it is a full list. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:03, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

== Magazine ==

According to my issue, the 3H club magazine was called "The Official Transformers Collectors' Club Magazine". The "the" is on the front outside cover but is not capitalized in the notes on the inside cover. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 14:05, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

== Micromaster catalogues? ==

Hey Rob, seeing as wot you're uploading pics of the two teams that this question relates to - do you happen to have the instructions/catalogs for the MC reissues of the Train Team and the Turbo Team? Cause those are the only two that we need a picture from to complete the [[The Transformers: Micromaster|Micromaster Collection]] page's story section, all illustrated-like. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:59, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:See if any of these are what you need: [http://www.builtstlouis.net/journal4/sixteams/ Core dump of my MM reissue scans] -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:16, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

== Amory's Page ==

Mrr. Sorry about that, I usually am instead writing out issue/episode synopses that use the present tense, and didn't even realize this time that I'd goofed. 
On that note, the likely reason it read similarly to the Cheap Shots synopsis is because I wrote that too, and you picked up on my writing style. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:25, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
:Ah, gotcha. No problem - stuff happens! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:26, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

== It should be noted that... ==

... Rob hates it when others tell him to take note things. Seriously. He will kill you. Probably to death. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:26, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

==Micromaster Squad prices==

For what it's worth, there's a list of G1 prices here: [http://web.archive.org/web/20021205162625/www.geocities.com/pdpool/1990.html] I can't really speak to the validity of the list, however.--[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 10:51, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:Interesting... I'm little leery of it, though. I remember the Battle Patrol costing me $5 at ToysRUs, and subsequently thinking to myself, wow, each of these little guys is only $1.25! It seems unlikely that the Patrol price jumped to $7 in just one year. I wonder where they got those numbers? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:08, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

::Heh, you'd probably be less confused had I linked you to the main page for that list like I'd intended. Sorry about that. On the [http://web.archive.org/web/20021205063120/www.geocities.com/pdpool/prices.html main page] it mentions that the prices were verified from catalogs and price tags. Catalog pricing could explain the why it seems high. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 02:09, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Jazz vs Frenzy ==

Optimus instructed Jazz to take on Frenzy two times in [[Ghosts of Yesterday]], leading Jazz to complain that he always fights the little ones. He only fought him once, though, but knocked him out cold in a matter of minutes. So they have encountered each other, just outside of the films and comics. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:02, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

== Bad version purging ==

By going to [[Special:Undelete/Nemesis_(SG)]], you could have selectively restored the history (i.e., including Blackout & McFeely, but not you-know-who). Just FTR - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:18, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

== You, sir, are a god. ==

I've read your near-total revision of the [[Death]] page, and it is GLORIOUS, sir. I'm deeply regretful that you don't receive some kinda recognition or payment for all the work you've done -- you've made a list of horrible slaughter and toy-based genocide fun and interesting to read, for which: KUDOS.

So, um, I can only hope that one day they name a toy after you. You deserve it.

== That's me! ==
Excuse me for the beginning on the very top, but your page is so great… Well, I'll try to consider your advices in my mind. Thank you. But tell me why there were no signs to illustrations in "Armada" almost at all till I began to add them? And now everybody tries to take part in name-giving… Excuse my poor English.--[[User:He-l-en1959|He-l-en1959]] 11:01, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::* Thank you VERY MUCH!!!--[[User:He-l-en1959|He-l-en1959]] 12:26, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== And who's the god that Beohort calls upon? ==

[[Tyrwas]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:25, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== Alex Karras prime time spot ==

It seems the owner of Scratchbomb has seen fit to bestow upon Transfans a holiday gift. In his latest batch of commercials uploaded to YouTube, he has included the [http://scratchbomb.com/2009/12/holiday-triumphs-more-adtacular-halloween-1985.html Alex Karras prime time spot]. I was mucho excited as I had figured we'd probably never find a recording of it. I'm posting it on your talk page first, in case you'd like to be the one to write it up proper. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 23:47, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:Last call on writing this spot up. I'll do it next week unless you call dibs. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 23:34, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
::Heh, naw, go ahead. If it's a privilege, you've totally earned it by this point. Most of my energies are directed toward cartoon bloopers these days, anyway. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:41, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Ok, cool. I wasn't thinking privilege so much as I was thinking you might want to finish what you started. On a related note, I found the audio for the Pretenders comic commercial on Bigbot. I wish Renaud would've credited the provider so I knew who to ask about possibly getting the video. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 23:58, 15 June 2010 (EDT)

== Thanx for blocking the account ==

Thanks. If that "Fuck DEtour" account worked, it was clearly a personal attack at DETOUR. [[Special:Contributions/86.147.177.207|86.147.177.207]] 07:56, 19 December 2010 (EST)

== Flagging ==

Good to know! :P [[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 19:16, 16 January 2011 (EST)

== Blaster Blues ==

From "Animation or technical glitches": Red Alert's "horns" flash orange. Last time, they flashed blue. 
From the "Gadgets and Powers" section of "Continuity notes": Red Alert's "horns" flash to indicate Decepticon activity, just like in "Auto Berserk". This time they're orange, though. 
I don't know which place is the best for it, but both is overkill. I simply removed the less detailed write up. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:00, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
:It's not overkill. One is noting an ability. The other is noting a technical glitch/inconsistency within the animation. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:05, 17 June 2011 (EDT)

== Question ==

Noticed you pretty much created the whole page of the [[OTFCC Live-Action Drama]]. You wouldn't happen to have a copy of the performance's script, would you? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:35, 16 April 2012 (EDT)

== To do list Pt 2 ==

Sherma Bridge - retconned by Monstrosity as not Prime & Megs' first open fight?
Add Circle of Light to timeline
Add Sherma Bridge battle name to timeline

==Minimus Ambus edit clash==
Sorry, looks like we both went for it at the same time...I've left it as a hybrid of both versions if that's okay with you --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 06:04, 28 September 2013 (EDT)
:No problem - looks really good. The template's a nice touch. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 09:01, 28 September 2013 (EDT)

== Thumb|upright=* ==

It means people's profile thumbnail setting doesn't get crapped over, so if you like really big (or small) thumbnails you can have that. Upright=1.1 is 1.1x your profile thumbnail size rounded to the nearest 10px, and so on . - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 01:54, 8 December 2014 (EST)

== Notes for 1st Marvel Comic. ==

I agree that the IDW notes format would be a much better format for the Marvel Comics format. Hell, I think probably every comic article should use it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:40, 18 December 2014 (EST)

=="Advertisements" not showing up==
It's cause you have AdBlock on! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:37, 19 December 2014 (EST)
:Well ain't that just a thing. Short of turning off Adblock (hahahahaha not gonna happen) is there anything I can do about it? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 19:05, 19 December 2014 (EST)
::Adblock allows you to whitelist individual sites. It's what I do for this, webcomics, and video people's sites. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:20, 20 December 2014 (EST)

== Predacons ==

Not saying you're wrong to remove it, 'cos it doesn't belong in the cartoon write-up itself, but I dunno if you know that in Japanese continuity, story pages did establish that the Quintessons built the Predacons. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 19:16, 6 March 2015 (EST)
:Innnnnerestin'! Did not know that. Looks like it's on the Predaking and Predacon pages, but not the individuals' pages. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 09:18, 7 March 2015 (EST)

== Recent edits ==

I know, I had a little too much fun with the edits on the ''Energon'' pages, thanks for telling me to stop. Personally, the formal style of wiki editing is my strong suit but it's nice to get a laugh sometimes. For now, I'll stick to continuity and errors sections and edit sparingly. --[[User:Wxy|Wxy]] ([[User talk:Wxy|talk]]) 14:24, 12 September 2015 (EDT)

==Gobots Vote==

I was about 90% sure you were in the no screen capture camp so put you down to that vote. That's the only thing really still on the table, everything else has been hashed out. If I misunderstood your position it's more subtle then please change appropriately. I didn't want to understate support for the opposition. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:06, 3 November 2015 (EST)

Hey, this title still works. Seriously, I know that you think there's "wiki gaming" going on, but have you actually checked out Renegade Rhetoric? You seem open minded. [https://www.facebook.com/Renegade-Rhetoric-959112720811889 Renegade Rhetoric on Facebook] There are some really great stories being told here that have nothing to do with gaming the wiki and everything to do with entertaining. Please at least take a read of one of the posts before you vote. Some people are really passionate about this material. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 23:45, 6 January 2016 (EST)

== Fat ballerina ==

Where was the other instance of the fat ballerina quote? Were you referring to the quotes on the movie page? -[[User:Chopperface|Chopperface]] ([[User talk:Chopperface|talk]])
:Correct. -- 00:01, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

== User page ==

I wanted to thank you personally for your user page. It is an amazingly succinct and memorable lecture on how to improve article writing that I recommend almost weekly to editors on many other wikis.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 15:43, 8 December 2024 (EST)

Party Wallop

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{{factions|autobot}}
:''Party Wallop is an [[Autobot]] affiliated with the [[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]] (via [[Transformers Collaborative|Collaborative]])''
[[File:Collab_PartyWallop.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|''I'm a Metalhead, a Metalhead...'']]

'''Party Wallop''' is one bot who's ready to kick some shell.
{{TOCclear}}

==Toys==
===''Collaborative''===
[[File:CollaborativePartyWallop figure.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|"I've been Certified Turtlefied!"]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{bp-a1|'''Party Wallop''' (June 2024)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': 5 skullcaps (Party Wallop, [[Leonardo]], [[Donatello]], [[Raphael]], [[Michelangelo (TMNT)|Michelangelo]]), 2 katana, bo staff, 2 sai, 2 nunchaku, mini-pizza
{{toydesigner|[[Amy Bence]] (packaging artist), [[Matthew Cohen]] (photography)}}<ref>[[March 28]], [[2024]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlrpW_ZFKvE Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 28, 2024] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Evan Brooks]], [[Mark Maher]], [[Kelly Rose]], and [[Matt Ferguson]].</ref>

:''[[Transformers Collaborative|Collaborative]]'' Party Wallop is a roughly-Voyager-sized toy, transforming from humanoid-turtle-like robot into the Turtles' "Party Wagon" vehicle, based on its design in the original {{w|Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series)|1987 cartoon series}}. In van mode, the roof-mounted (non-firing) guns and side-mounted red "lights" can rotate/elevate, plus the ends of the cannons are [[Fire Blast effect]]-compatible. The logo/shield in the van's front-center can pop off, revealing a tiny personal pan pizza.

: In robot mode, Party Wallop has a ''lot'' of display options available. Party Wallop's head pops apart above the "muzzle", to be replaced with one of five different skullcaps: a baseline green for default Party Wallop, then four others with "bandanas", one each in of the Turtles' colors (Leo in blue, Donnie in purple, Raph in red, Mikey in orange). The currently-unused skullcaps can store in Party Wallop's back assembly/shell. The Wagon's entire front end can stay attached as the robot's torso, or be removed and worn as a shield, revealing a more turtle-plastron-like torso design. This sub-torso features a rotating belt buckle, each side displaying one of the four Turtle's initials (L, D, R, M) in their trademark colors to match the chosen bandana (or not, go nuts).

: On top of that, he comes with Cybertronian versions of each of the boys' signature weapons: Leo's katanas, Donnie's bo staff, Raph's sais, and Mikey's nunchaku. All seven of these weapons can store in both robot and vehicle mode, with a series of tabs and [[5 mm post]]s/holes allowing all of them to be readily accessible for battle in robot mode, not merely stuffed into his back-shell.

: Rather than being packaged in a box like previous ''Collaborative'' figures, Party Wallop comes packaged in an large blister pack. Said blister pack uses [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]-style package design not dissimilar to [[Ectotron#Collaborative|Ectotron]] and [[Gigawatt#Collaborative|Gigawatt]], with "rips" in the packaging revealing images of the four Turtles, which reuse contemporary stock art styled after the '80s cartoon.

: Party Wallop was accidentally revealed a bit too early by an [[Amazon]] Australia listing, which was taken down shortly thereafter. He was then properly revealed on the [[March 28]] [[Hasbro Pulse]] fanstream the next day... but not before listings began appearing ''again'', this time making him available for pre-order upwards of a few hours ahead of schedule. He arrived in stores mid July 2024.

==Notes==
* Party Wallop's pupil-less, toothy scowl recalls the original ''Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles'' action figure range by {{w|Playmates Toys}}, which (partially thanks to using the original {{w|Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Mirage Studios)|comic series}} as a basis) used this expression for nearly ''every figure'' of the four Ninja Turtles.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Collaborative Autobots]]
[[Category:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

Talk:Junkasaurus

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KrytenKoro: /* Instagram story */ new section

== Instagram story ==

The link goes to a windblade video now.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 12:28, 8 October 2023 (EDT)

Talk:Volcanicus (disambiguation)

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KrytenKoro: /* The beast */ new section

== The beast ==

I know y'all really don't want to acknowledge a direct connection, but it should at least be listed in "not to be confused with".[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 23:19, 3 January 2023 (EST)

Talk:Beast (G1)

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Why is he called the Beast? Well, look at him. He's certainly not the Beauty. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Why is it that everyone seems to hate this guy? Is it just because he's ugly? Something can be ugly or grotesque and awesome as well, like the Alien or most of the monsters from Doom or even... '''Doom 3'''. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 14:23, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
:Because half the fanbase came up with better Dinobot combiners in 1985? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:31, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
::Because it's simultaniously increadibly fan-wanky to the point of bad fan-wank cliche and horribly executed on its own merit. --[[Special:Contributions/99.75.104.99|99.75.104.99]] 14:44, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

== Unleash The Beast ==

What are you TALKING about?! The Beast is AWESOME!--[[User:Keepcalm&rollout|Keepcalm&rollout]] ([[User talk:Keepcalm&rollout|talk]]) 09:29, 21 May 2014 (EDT)
:I agree. It's primal and beastly (which is what one would expect). It fits the Dinobots perfectly. I really don't see why everyone's jimmies are rustled. --[[User:Lord-of-Hate|-Lord of Hate]] ([[User talk:Lord-of-Hate|talk]]) 11:02, 18 October 2014 (EDT)

== Volcanicus ==

Do we have the two on the same page, since it's basically the same thing, or...? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:51, 8 September 2017 (EDT)

== Strikethrough Text ==

What happened to the Strikethrough text in the description? It was hilarious and I enjoyed it. [[User:Haven13|Haven13]] ([[User talk:Haven13|talk]]) 16:01, 9 September 2017

== "He is also an aesthetic nightmare of broken robot parts, most of which can't clearly be recognized as part of any Dinobot." ==

What the heck does the article mean by that? The shins are the same as on Volcanicus, the forearms are the same as on Volcanicus (but with Swoop's wings removed), and the main hub body is from Grimlock. At best the thighs aren't clearly from a specific component, but that hardly justifies the claim made.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 22:36, 9 September 2020 (EDT)

Talk:Optimus Prime (Animated)

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KrytenKoro: /* street fighter */ new section

Is this guy going to fly like in Transformers Cybertron? The article called Animated Optimus Prime said something about flying somewhere.([[User:Soldier 79|Soldier 79]] 01:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC))

Hey, his Bio says he's a washout. Should that go in now?--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

:I personally am opposed to adding bio information gleamed from presumedly-stolen toys, and I interpret the style guide as saying we should not do so, but this was apparently a point of some contention just last week with Prowl and Bumblebee. I know at least one person who agrees with me, but I don't know everyone that was involved with the initial formulation of the policy.
:There are a number of individuals (and officials here) who I would feel confident *guessing* feel the same way I do, but I don't know where to point you to see them state that. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

::Actually the bios were not taken from "Stolen toys", but premilinary toys send out to big toyshops. It even had it written on them. --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 21:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Where is it written on them that they are preliminaries for toy stores? And if they are, why are they on eBay? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::: Well it WAS written on Prowl. And they on eBay 'cuz some people are crazy enought to play 180 bucks for them. --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 22:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::...but who PUT them on eBay? Can you provide evidence that these are preliminaries sent to stores? Also, can you provide evidence that the owners of these stores are the ones putting the toys on eBay?
:::::Because I think Toy Fair, and its equivilants, are how Hasbro advertises upcoming product to retailers. Not by sending them advance copies. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 22:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Sntint is correct -- we do not post information gleaned from leaks or stolen toys. We stick strictly to officially-released/condoned stuff. That goes for images, plot summaries, character names, etc.. Buyer samples -- if these particular toys even are legitimate samples and not simply being billed as such -- are a greyer area, admittedly, but we are staying away from them as well. Unless the toy was purchased from a retailer by a consumer, or the bio was officially released in some capacity (press release, website, promo flyer, etc.), we still consider it [[Help:Coming soon|"coming soon"]]. eBay is not a legitimate avenue for breaking news. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:14, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== Toys mouthplate ==

"In robot mode, his head has a retracted mouthplate."
Really? Where does this info come from? I have nevere seen any pic of his cybertronian mode with mouthplate. Can anyone else confirm?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 12:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:He means, that he has his face with retracted mouthplate. You can't slide it out. --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 13:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, yes, of course. Thanks.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 14:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== car crusher ==

has he stood in a car crusher or something?! look at him!! his bottom halfs tiny and his top halfs nearly the size of UNICRON (<-unicron bits a joke) hows he suposed to transform when he's in that state!!![[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 17:28, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:Wow, are you just awaken from a coma? --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 20:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
is that coma thing a joke? if it is its not funny and i dont get it[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 09:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:No, he was honestly worried about your neurological health. Seriously though, Transformers much stranger looking than him have existed. Plus, the exagerated difference between his chest and waist/legs give him a hypermasculine appearance, making him look more heroic, appropriate for the fearless leader of the Autobots. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 10:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Spatula Caption ==

Actually, I thought that one was kind of amusing...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 04:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

== Laugh ==

In that trailer, when Sentinel Prime is a victim to the headmaster, he has the most idiotic laugh. I hope he doesn't laugh like that in the rest of the series.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 20:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

== full truck ==

will there be a toy with the back of the fire truck.--[[User:Autobot Soundwave|Autobot Soundwave]] 22:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:If Hasbro doesn't make one, I'm sure someone will make one that they'll sell for exorbitant fees on the internet. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

== "Smokestacks?" ==

Can we remove that line from the intro? I find it throws the timing off completely. Simply ending with "Maybe The touch?" seems to put the article off to a better start. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 04:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

== Seriously ==

We '''HAVE''' to be able to come up with a better caption then "G1 MODE ACTIVATE" for the battle begins OP. Any ideas?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 02:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:We have a line from the Lumberjack Song for the image before it, perhaps we could use the next line in the song. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

::Any reason why we are back to G1 mode activate? ¬_¬ --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

:::I put in "OMG! Is that black stuff the same that that [[Venom (Crossovers)|other guy]] has?"

Is that any good?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 17:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

::::Yea thats pretty good. But so is the axed him for help bit.

and let me just DO NOT CHANGE IT BACK TO "G1 MODE ACTIVATE" its NOT funny. thats like something a third grader would say on the playground!

We need to have like a vote on which we like better.

Black stuff or Axed him a question?
--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 23:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Slight problem. Neither of em are particularly funny, and certainly aren't any better or worse then the G1 joke [[User:GWolfv2]] 00.07 May 30th

::::::On the contrary, anything is funnier then G1 MODE ACTIVATE!--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 23:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

sure, make a joke about how he resembles g1 prime, BUT MY NO MEANS SHOULD IT SAY SOMETHING AS STUPIDLY UNFUNNY AS "G1 MODE ACTIVATE"! --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 23:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

==Nightwatch's voice actor==

Dude. He's definitely David Kaye! I saw it in the store, and it ''was'' Kaye. I even went through the voice clips several times for good measure. He even says lines from the show, including, "We're taking that driver down!" (The Thrill of the Hunt) and, "I'll protect the AllSpark!" (Transform and Roll Out?) So it is Kaye. --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 13:52, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
I agree, unmistakably Kaye's voice on that thing.--[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 17:53, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

is it just me or if his cybertronian mode was coloured green, with a different head sculpt, wouldn't he be like kup?

==Transportation on transportation==
Upon viewing the Cybertron modes in the Almanac, I noticed on Optimus' tread-legs, he has the tiny wheels from the toy. This confuses me so much. Is this trivia material, though? --[[User:Malunis T|Malunis T]] 09:37, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

==Concept truck==
The concept truck mentioned in the Cybertron mode toy description is possibly false. I asked Derrick if the Cybertronian truck was based on the concept truck, and he claims he's never seen said concept truck until I showed it to him. Edited toy description to say it ''resembles'' the concept truck instead. [https://twitter.com/DerrickJWyatt/status/4949168669 Proof here] --[[User:Malunis T|Malunis T]] 16:31, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

== [[:Category: Autobot leaders]] ==

As pointed out on [[Talk:Rodimus Prime (Animated)#Category: Autobot leaders|Rodimus's talkpage]], neither Rodimus or Optimus Prime are really the leader of the Autobot in Animated, so it has been proposed that they both be removed from that category. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:31, 24 March 2010 (EDT)
: I wonder what the Allspark Almanac II will say about the last episode. 'Cuz it's possible that Optimus is Autobot leader NOW. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:18, 24 March 2010 (EDT)
:: On that specific subject, it will likely be silent.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:32, 24 March 2010 (EDT)
::: He's a leader of a GROUP of Autobots. Does that count? The category isn't Autobot Supreme Commanders or something. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 12:10, 24 March 2010 (EDT)
::::There are '''lots''' of Autobots that are leaders of a group of Autobots. Like the combiner team leaders and so forth. So it depends on what we want the category to be. I always assumed it was for characters who were at some point the leader of the Autobots. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:25, 24 March 2010 (EDT)
::::There are lots of '''''UNIT'''''''' leaders. And political leaders. There's only one Supreme Commander. The term Autobot leader is almost always used in regards to the Supreme Commander. And the only ones here are Magnus and Sentinel [[User:Eire]] 24 March 17.12 2010 (GMT)
::::Well frankly, neither Springer nor Impactor are in the category in spite of their being leaders of the Wreckers, so I've got to agree with using the Autobot leaders category as strictly referring to leaders of Autobots as a whole. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:28, 24 March 2010 (EDT)

== Optimus Prime Battle Blaster ==
It DOES have recorded sounds, the one in my local shop plays sounds when the Autobot insignia on the lights got pressed.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:10, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

== Japanese Nicknames ==
In the Japanese dub of [[Transform and Roll Out]] part 1, there's a bit of dialogue between Bumblebee and Optimus during the preview for episode/part 2. Bumblebee rattles off a series of increasingly absurd nicknames for Optimus:
* "'''Brother Convoy'''" (コンボイニチャン ''Convoy-niichan'')
* "'''Opti'''" (オプティ)
* "'''Opera'''" (オプラ ''Opura'')
* "'''Pupu'''" (ププ)
Anyone think that these are worth mentioning? -- [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 20:10, 13 April 2010 (EDT)
: [[Pupu]]. [[Opti]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:12, 13 April 2010 (EDT)
:: (They should probably also be mentioned in trivia.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 13 April 2010 (EDT)
:::Bumblebee doesn't say "nii-chan" - he said "ii jan", as in "isn't it good". "Convoy de ii jan?" --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:15, 13 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Lonegamer- On a second listening, you're right. So, change that to just "Convoy", I suppose.
::::ItsWalky- I was wondering if we should follow the precedent set by [[Ratchet_(G1)]]'s list of nicknames? -- [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 20:27, 13 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::The "nicknames" at the tops of articles are not for nicknames that were used in fiction or fandom; they're specifically for nicknames that were included in pre-production versions of the Marvel "Transformers Universe" profiles in old issues of ''The Transformers Comic Magazine'', and every instance of such a listing is, AFAIK, cited as such (or was, when I did them a while ago). In retrospect, these particular nickname sections should be moved to the Notes sections of their respective pages instead, but IIRC when that happened with [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], they got put back at the top anyway by another user... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:21, 13 April 2010 (EDT)

== "Trailerjet" ==

The arcade card that comes with Wingblade Optimus Prime says that his Alternate Mode is "Trailer-jet" (Tore-ra-jetto). You guys don't seem to list the alternate modes in a standardized manner, so should that still be mentioned? Or should it just go on the toy's section?[[Special:Contributions/98.222.213.161|98.222.213.161]] 16:18, 5 February 2011 (EST)

== street fighter ==

Is [https://www.eventhubs.com/images/2012/jun/04/darkstalkers-are-not-dead-tshirt-latest-street-fighter-x-tekken-episode-2-trailer-image-3/ this] worth mentioning?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:24, 7 August 2020 (EDT)

Talk:Death Star

2020-06-25T17:23:47Z

KrytenKoro:

Create a cat for Space Stations, we have enough of those. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
:Death Star, [[Planet-Destroying Fortress]], and...? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
::[[Grand Central Space Station]], [[Autobot Orbital Command Hub]], [[Graviton Prison]]... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
==Caption==
I mean, [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Death_Star&diff=next&oldid=1042725 it's hilarious], but aren't captions supposed to be a reward for whoever uploaded the image?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:23, 25 June 2020 (EDT)

Steeljaw (AOE)

2020-01-11T18:41:55Z

KrytenKoro: /* Notes */

{{factions|decepticonfilm}}
{{disambig3|Steeljaw}}
:''Steeljaws are animals from the [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Age of Extinction]] portion of the [[live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]]''.

[[File:AOESteeljaw.jpg|350px|thumb|[[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] would be crying right now.]]
'''Steeljaws''' are wolf-like creatures used by [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]] to hunt down intruders and prey that venture into his [[Knight Ship|ship]].

==Fiction==
===Titan ''Age of Extinction'' comic===
A Steeljaw was among the forces that Lockdown ordered to stand down when the alien [[Sojex]] took command on the mercenary's ship. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 5.4|Locked In!}}

===''Age of Extinction'' film===
As [[Cade Yeager|Cade]], [[Tessa Yeager|Tessa]], and [[Shane Dyson|Shane]] fled Lockdown's ship, Lockdown sent in multiple Steeljaws to find and kill them. Cade picked them off while Shane and Tessa crossed the ship's anchor wires. When some of the Steeljaws attempted to terminate the humans, the others chewed through the wires and eventually broke them. However, all of their chewing went to waste as the trio was rescued by [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}

==Games==
===''Transformers Ultimate Allstars''===
{{Charstubgames}}{{storylink|Lost Age Limited Event}} {{storylink|Lost Age Limited Event II}}

==Toys==
===Age of Extinction===
[[File:AoE 1-step Steeljaw.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Steeljaw's [[Thundertron]] cosplay.]]
*'''Steeljaw''' (One-Step Changer, 2014)
:Part of the fourth wave of ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Age of Extinction]]'' One-Step Changers, Steeljaw transforms from a robot into a cyborg wolf in a single step.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Decepticon/OSCSteeljaw/steeljaw.htm More information on Steeljaw at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

==Notes==
*A preliminary name for the Steeljaws seems to have been '''Wolves''', appearing on a {{w|Topps}} trading card and in toy listings leaked via Hasbro's customer service website.<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/96540-monzos-mega-hasbro-customer-service-listing-breakdown/ Hasbro customer service leak summary on The Allspark]</ref>
*Some reports from [[Toy Fair 2014]] suggested the existence of a [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)#Dino Sparkers|Dino Sparkers]] toy featuring Lockdown, which the aforementioned leak suggests would have featured a 'Wolf' as the mount. Ultimately, this product was never officially revealed or solicited for release.
*Steeljaw's product description on [[Hasbro Toy Shop]]'s website uses the stock copy for Autobots, describing him fighting Decepticons.<ref>[http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/transformers-age-of-extinction-steeljaw-one-step-changer Steeljaw One-Step Changer on hasbroToyShop.com]</ref>
*Steeljaw was used as an early working name for [[Wheeljack (Movie)|''Dark of the Moon'' Que/Wheeljack]].<ref name="nizzi">[http://www.joshnizzi.com/TF3.htm Josh Nizzi DOTM concepts.]</ref> It ended up being used for Leadfoot's dog, instead.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Steeljaw''' (スチールジョー ''Suchīrujō''), '''Wolf''' (ウルフ ''Urufu'')

==See also==
*[[Carnivac (AOE)]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Age of Extinction Decepticons]]
[[Category:Dogs]]
[[Category:Mass-produced Transformers]]

Talk:Size class

2020-01-02T22:02:36Z

KrytenKoro: /* AoE One-Step Changer */ new section

This article really needs the MSRPs, not my guesses. I don't exactly know the size classes in RiD, so somebody else has to fill that in. Also, were "Super" and "Supreme" used in Armada? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 22:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
: Yessir. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
: RID uses the same classes as Beast Wars up to Super, but I don't know what Air Attack Optimus Primal sold for.

Done some tweaking. It's interesting to note that Cybertron was the first line to actually have the modern "Ultra" price point officially ''called'' "Ultra".
--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:38, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

== What qualifies for "size classes"? ==

Was wondering about Deployers and Beast Riders... Are they actually "size classes" in the strict sense? Same for the role-play toys.

And then we would have the store exclusive assortments such as the RiD KB "Destructicons" Scourge & Bludgeon, Energon KB Cyclonus & Demolishor, Universe KB Snow Cat & Downshift, Universe BiaB Magnus/Treadshot & Smoescreen/Ransack and whatnot.

Are "assortments" and "size classes" the same? Because then we would have those one million different assortments from the G1 days, which introduced some of the names later used by the price points ("Autobot Deluxe Vehicles", "Deluxe Insecticons", "Mega Pretenders", "Ultra Pretenders").--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
:Go nuts. Can't hurt. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 17:16, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
: I'm not so sure. In G1 and G2, often two or more case assortments would have the same price yet still ship at the same time, such as the Autobot and Decepticon Headmasters and Targetmasters. Plus, the prices weren't uniform between stores as they are now. It wasn't until Beast Wars that all figures of the same price were confined to one assortment . unless you count the Fuzors vs Transfetals in '98, but then it was Basic/Deluxe Fuzor/Transmetals.
:: How about adding it as a note, then? G1 and G2 were like this... and then Hasbro more or less consolidated uniform price points with Beast Wars, yadda yadda.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

== Conversion chart? ==

Can we get a '''table''' showing how the size classes convert? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

{| border="5" style=width:50% text-align:center" class="wikitable"
|-
!'''Price''' || '''BW''' || '''BM''' || '''RID''' || '''Arm''' || '''Uni''' || '''Ene''' || '''Cyb '''|| '''Cla''' || '''Mov'''
|-
! $4
|| || || || || Spychangers, Micromasters || || Legends (3.00) || Legends || Legends
|-
! $5
|| Basic || Deployers || Basic & Spychangers || || Basic || || Mini-Con || ||
|-
! $7
|| || Basic || || Minicons (6.50) || || Energon || Scouts || Minicons || Scout
|-
! $10
|| Deluxe || Deluxe, Beast Riders || Deluxe || Super-Con || Deluxe || Combat || Deluxe || Classic Deluxe || Deluxe
|-
! $15
|| Mega || Mega || Mega || Laserbeak, Roleplay || || || || ||
|-
! $20
|| Ultra || Ultra || Ultra || Max-Con || Ultra || Mega Combat / Mega & Role-Play || Voyager ||Classic Voyager || Voyager
|-
! $25
|| || || || Giga-Con || || Commanders / Command || Ultra || ||
|-
! $30
|| Super ($35) || Super || Super || || || || || ||
|-
! $40
|| || Supreme || || Superbase || || Leaders || Leader || || Leader
|-
! $50
|| || || || Chaos Bringer || || Omega || Supreme || ||
|-
! $90
|| || || || || || || || || Ultimate
|}

Not putting this in the article yet, as it still needs some work. The Armada Mini-cons and Op Op are under pre-existing rows with their prices listed, as having an entire row for a price point that was used in just one line from BW on would just waste space. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:18, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
:Prices are difficult because they change... this chart treats them lore like a price-point than a size-class.
:(I liked the size class system used by the Cybertronian Index, an expanded version of the BW sizes that included every size toy.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the price point is much simpler and more accurate. The BW Megas are about halfway between current Deluxes and Voyagers (often called Mega class) when it comes to size and complexity. OpOp (Super) is somewhere between current Ultras and Leaders/Supers. BW Ultra toys are about eguivelent to current day Voyagers/Megas. This also fits with the prices. The main exception is the Basic class, has fluctuated some, but the dip from RID is from the class being (aside from Obsidian) nothing but Scramble City limbe and Spychangers. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

:Useful for comparing how things were sold. Not so useful for tellign you how big a toy actually ''is''. How big were mini-cons, which were never sold singly? Price point does not reflect their size.

== Fast Action Battlers? Activators? ==

Do the FABs belong on there? How about the Animated Activators, which are sort of a cross between Legends and FABs?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

== Movie Ultra Class ==

What's the exact term used on the TRU Ultra boxes? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Omega Class? ==

There have been reports of an upcoming Omega Supreme toy in the animated line listed as an "Omega Class." Any idea what size that is? Is that the $50 price point, or something... even bigger? {{unsigned|24.217.142.86|05:51, 2 May 2008}}
:As far as I can tell, these are nothing but unsubstantiated rumors so far. As soon as Hasbro says something official, we'll leap upon it like starving chihuahuas sighting a weiner.
:Also, please sign your posts, as instructed at the top of Editijng Talk pages. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

== RotW Prices ==

What about prices for the rest of the world? Are they too varied to be included, or not? Shifting exchange rates will mean that there is probably some considerable inconsistency between $$, ££ and €€... I just bring it up because I saw the first batch of RotF toys in a store today (in Germany), costing €12.99 for Scouts, €19.99 for Deluxes. Yahoo! tells me that that is about 28.30 USD for a Deluxe, which most Americans would probably consider somewhat extortionate... Any thoughts about mentioning this sort of thing? -- pbett, 30th May 2009.
:Most Americans think $4 gas is exorbitant too. Enjoy your socialized medicine, we get cheap Transformers! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:37, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

== Universe Voyager Correction ==

I noticed that the Voyager listing in (2008) Universe said that Vector Prime and Leo Prime retained electronics, which simply isn't true, and the lack is actually noted on the individual pages that link from the statement that they DO have them. Further, Bruticus (Cyb Scourge) was released under this price point as well. I corrected to reflect the lack of sound effects and went with "several", taking out the links altogether since the toys don't actually have the sound effects that made them worth pointing out in the first place. If that's not adequate, feel free to kick the links back in. [[User:Lukeblast|Lukeblast]] 01:44, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Images? ==

It saddens me every time I see a page without any images at all. :( If I can make a suggestion: it'd be kinda cool if for each section, we could have an image of one toy of each class (that accurately represents the average size of that class) for each franchise in a line up? For example: For the Beast Wars section, there'd be a line up of basic Armordillo, deluxe Transmetal Rattrap, Mega Inferno, Ultra Tigerhawk and Super Optimal Optimus. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:41, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

== Transformers 2010 toyline (e.g. HftD and RtS) not listed? ==
Should [[Transformers (2010 toyline)]] have a section here? Relevant because non-movie Scouts are still hitting retail as late as 2011, yet none of the tables reflect this. --[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 15:03, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
:Yes. Nobody just has gotten to it yet. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:05, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
::Maybe I'll find some time to take a whack at it. I guess it'd be positioned before DotM, correct? --[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 15:12, 15 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Yup. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:28, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

== Break Chart In Two? ==

It might be time to break the chart in two, before it gets too darn wide. Starting a new chart with RotF would make sense, since a lot of prices shifted at that point. We'd be able to remove the $13, $22, $45, and $100 rows from the first chart (and about seven rows from the second one). So:
# Break chart in two just before RotF.
# Remove empty rows from both charts.
# Add a note between the two charts saying, "At this point, many prices went up a dollar or two. We are breaking the chart here for clarity."
Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 11:09, 5 March 2012 (EST)
:It sounds good to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:40, 5 March 2012 (EST)
::I've finally followed-up on this. If someone wants to double-check my work, it's in my sandbox, at the bottom: [[User:JW/Sandbox]]. If it looks good, feel free to slap it into the article. If not, I'll do so myself in a few days. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:35, 23 July 2012 (EDT)
:::Done. Now watch, somebody will come and complain now. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:37, 23 July 2012 (EDT)
::::Complaining? In Transformers fandom? Surely you jest. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:38, 24 July 2012 (EDT)

== Generations incorporation ==

Given the general weirdness involved with Generations (2010: "We're only Deluxes!" 2011: "LOL JK"), are we even going to attempt to add them in somehow? And if so, how? Will it be split between the two iterations of the line, or attempt to just add one section to the chart? Or even have its own chart? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:16, 4 October 2013 (EDT)
:If Generations gets added to this article, Thrilling 30 and Combiner Wars are part of Generations, yes? Thrilling 30 Metroplex and Combiner Wars Devastator belong to the new Titan class. i'm not sure what other size classes or price points are currently in play, so i'll ask someone more knowledgable to update the article as appropriate. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:49, 14 February 2015 (EST)

== AoE One-Step Changer ==

That seems ''very'' wrong, at least for Steeljaw one-step changer. Was there a one-step changer that was particularly rare?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 17:02, 2 January 2020 (EST)

Race Mini-Con Team

2019-12-31T21:49:06Z

KrytenKoro: /* Armada */

{{factions|minicon}}

[[Image:Bios card race.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Uh, zoom zip.]]
The '''Race Mini-Con Team''' are a trio of super-fast speedsters, but their real strength lies in their combined form; the powerful [[Skyboom (Armada)|Skyboom]] shield, possibly the only thing that can stand up to the destructive power of the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]] sword or the [[Requiem Blaster (Armada)|Requiem Blaster]] cannon.

When possessed by the [[Decepticon]]s, their natures are sometimes twisted to evil, turning them into the '''Road Assault Mini-Con Team'''.

The Race Mini-Con Team is composed of

*[[Dirt Boss (Armada)|Dirt Boss]] the Volkswagen Lupo.

*[[Downshift (Armada)|Downshift]] the LeMans racer.

*[[Mirage (Armada)|Mirage]] the F-1 racer.

==Fiction==
===''Armada'' cartoon===
{{groupstub|{{storylink|Origin}} {{storylink|Mortal Combat}}}}

===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic===
{{groupstub}}

===Panini ''Armada'' comic===
{{groupstub}}

===''Cybertron'' toy bios===
Optimus Prime split up the members of the Road Assault Team in order to make it harder for Megatron to reassemble the Skyboom Shield. Mirage and Dirt Boss were sent with Hot Shot and Red Alert, respectively, to the Speed Planet. Meanwhile, Downshift was abducted by Thundercracker, with whom he formed an uneasy partnership.

One universe's version of Mirage, Dirt Boss, and Downshift fell through a [[Unicron Singularity|black hole]]-caused space-time anomaly to another dimension. Downshift and Mirage ended up on the [[Velocitron|Speed Planet]] while Dirt Boss landed on Earth.

==Toys==
===''Armada''===
[[Image:Armada-toy_race_Mini-Con_Team.JPG|right|thumb|250px]]
*'''Race Mini-Con Team''' (Basic, 2002/2003)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MM-05'''

:The original Race Mini-Con Team was available in their own three-pack, or packed with [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] and [[Predacon (Armada)|Predacon]] at certain stores.

{{-}}{{anchor|SmokescreenJpack}}
*'''Grap & Lift with Race Micron''' (Multi-pack, 2003)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MS-02'''

: The Race Team was available in Japan both as an individual team, and in a multi-pack with [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]].

{{-}}{{anchor|XDimension}}
[[Image:2003-racemicron-xdimension-toys.jpg|thumb|]]
*'''Race Micron X-Dimensions''' (Mini-Cons, 2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MM-10'''
:A somewhat more limited-edition -but still regular retaill- [[redeco]] of the Race Team was released by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] as part of the [[X-Dimensions Micron|X-Dimensions]] Microns. This set uses primarily blue and white. This deco was [[repurposing|repurposed]] as the [[Burning Rubber Mini-Con Team]].

{{-}}{{anchor|MicronBooster}}
*'''Drift''' (Micron Booster, 2003)
*'''Spin''' (Micron Booster, 2003)
*'''Indy''' (Micron Booster, 2003)

:The Race Team members were all included in the first [[Micron Booster]] set. They are almost identical to their retail versions, only using slightly sparklier plastic and paint.

{{-}}{{anchor|ChangeMicron}}
*'''Drift''' (Change Micron, 2003)
*'''Spin''' (Change Micron, 2003)
*'''Indy''' (Change Micron, 2003)

: Another nigh-identical Japanese release, these Race Team members were available separately as "[[candy toy]]" produced by [[Kabaya]] as part of the [[Change Micron]] assortment. These toys actually use all-new molding, though based on the original mold and using the same colors.

{{-}}{{anchor|RoadAssault}}
[[Image:Road assault.JPG|right|thumb|250px]]
*'''Road Assault Mini-Con Team''' (Basic, 2003)

: A late-series redeco of the Race Team—under a new Team name—was released alongside the [[Destruction Mini-Con Team|Road Wrecker Team]]. This time, the team was done up in black, red, and white. In Japan, individually-bagged members of this Team were given away randomly with the purchase of ''Armada'' [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] or [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] at Ito Yokaido stores in August.

===''Universe'' (2003)===
*'''Dirt Boss''' (Tiny Tin, 2004)

: The entire Race Team was made available as individual [[Tiny Tins]] releases under the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' banner. The toys in this release are identical to the original ''Armada'' ones.

===''Energon''===
[[Image:Race-2-Space.jpg|right|thumb|150px]]
*'''Race Mini-Con Team & Space Mini-Con Team''' (Multi-Pack, 2004)

: An unaltered version of the Road Assault Mini-Con Team (yet named the Race Team again) was released as part of an ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]''-series "Mini-Con 6-pack" with the [[Space Mini-Con Team]].

===''Cybertron''===
*'''Red Alert with Dirt Boss''' (Bonus pack, 2006)
*'''Landmine with Dirt Boss''' (Bonus pack, 2006)
*'''Dirt Boss with Downshift''' (Bonus pack, 2006)
*'''Thundercracker with Downshift''' (Bonus pack, 2006)
*'''Hot Shot with Mirage''' (Bonus pack, 2006)
*'''Override with Mirage''' (Bonus pack, 2006)

:For the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' toyline, the Race Team was redecoed again, this time in red, white, and gray similar to their Road Assault colors. They were available only at [[Walmart]], spread between various Deluxe-sized toys, and came with [[Tiny Tins]] carrying cases.

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Race Micron''' (レースマイクロン ''Rēsu Maikuron'')
*''French:'' '''Équipe de Course des Minimodus''' ("Race Mini-Con Team"), '''Équipe d'Assaut Routier des Minimodus''' ("Road Assault Mini-Con Team")
*''Korean:'' '''Race''' (레이스 ''Reiseu'')
*''Spanish:'' '''Los Minimodus - Equipo de Carrera''' ("The Mini-Cons - Race Team"), '''Los Minimodus - Equipo de Asalto Terrestre''' ("The Mini-Cons - Ground Assault Team")

[[Category:Armada subgroups]]
[[Category:Combiner teams]]
[[Category:Cybertron subgroups]]
[[Category:Energon subgroups]]
[[Category:Mini-Con teams]]
[[Category:Universe (2003)]]

Talk:Transformers: Energon (toyline)

2019-12-31T21:40:57Z

KrytenKoro:

Any chance we could try to sort the list by price point? Personally, i still think that ''toyline'' lists should be sorted based on ''toys'', not on ''characters''. Of course, problem is the combiner teams are divided up into different size classes.

Still, there's the OFFICIAL names for the price points according to Hasbro: Energon Class (Basic), Combat Class (Deluxe), Mega Class, Command Class (Ultra), Leaders Class (Super) and Supreme Class. Also, I fixed the listing for the TRU Prime/Megatron two-pack which actually referred to both toys by their Armada (!) price points ("Supercon" and "Maxcon"), and I still don't get why that two-pack is listed under "miscellaneous" while the KMart exclusive Prowl/Checkpoint pack is listed under "Autobots". Might be me more thinking of toys as ''toys'' rather than characters, but I'm not sure if the strict "Autobot"/"Decepticon" listing actually works here.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:This page uses "Leader", while each of the three leader pages uses "Super". Which is preferred?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 16:40, 31 December 2019 (EST)

==Intended new characters==
I remember there being a lot of shock when Mirage turned out to be Tidal Wave, and when the green dump truck turned out to be Demolishor, and Cyclonus/Snowcat, Inferno/Roadblock, etc. And based on Starscream/Thundercracker in ''Armada'', it was kind of assumed that Takara was to blame for taking these new-character toys and turning them into new versions of previous characters. But was that ever confirmed? Is it enough of a "known" to include on this page? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Terrorsaur (Classics)

2019-12-31T18:24:32Z

KrytenKoro: /* Classics */ yep

{{factions|minicon|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Terrorsaur}}
:''Terrorsaur is an [[Autobot]]-allied [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] and [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[Continuity family|continuity families]].''
[[File:Classics Terrorsaur robot.JPG|upright=1.7|thumb|HEY GUYS TODAY IS A GREAT DAY TO BE STOMPING ON THINGS LAWL DINOSAUR COMICS AMIRITE?!!!!!]]

'''Terrorsaur''' is either a member of the Mini-Con [[Dinobot (Classics)|Dinobots]] or the [[Prehistoric Team]]. He is a stupid, nasty brute who prefers to do all of his fighting in his dinosaur mode. While the other members of his team have more altruistic reasons for doing what they do, Terrorsaur simply enjoys hurting people. He doesn't like facing the consequences of hurting people though, so he makes sure to hurt only bad people. This allows him to be rewarded for his maulings, despite him being vicious and cruel all the while.<ref>Terrorsaur's profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 17|Club magazine #17]]</ref>

{{TOCclear}}

==Fiction==
===''Classics''===
Created by the [[Last Autobot]] to clean up [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] before the [[Autobot]]s returned, Terrorsaur worked to exterminate [[Demon]]s and [[Mutant (G1)|Mutants]] beneath the planet's surface. He started growling at [[Overbite (Classics)|Overbite]] when the Dinobots ran into the [[Predator Attack Team]], but was reprimanded by his leader, [[Hacksaw]], before things could get ugly.

After the mysterious destruction of an [[energon]] refinery in [[Altihex]], Hacksaw organized a meeting, which the Dinobots were part of. Terrorsaur snacked on a yummy [[duryllium bar]] and offered to interrogate the suspicious [[Demolition Team]], but was denied, as Hacksaw knew full well that there'd be nothing left of the suspects if he let Terrorsaur near them. After the meeting's conclusion, Hacksaw left Terrorsaur and [[Knockdown (Classics)|Knockdown]] with the [[Night Rescue Team]] to keep watch on things.

When it was revealed that [[Broadside (Classics)|Broadside]] had both caused the destruction of the refinery and later killed Hacksaw, Terrorsaur and Knockdown tried to get to the murderer, but were hindered by Mini-Cons who allied themselves with him. {{storylink|The New World}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
In [[Aurex 615.03 Epsilon]], Terrorsaur was one of many Autobot-aligned Mini-Cons who were dispatched aboard the ''[[Hyperion (Armada)|Hyperion]]'' from Cybertron to the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] in [[Alpha Q's universe]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/23}}

==Toys==
===Classics===
[[File:Classics Terrorsaur beast.JPG|200px|thumb|Raar! Whatcha doing, Mr. Volcano?]]
*'''Dinobots''' (Mini-Con Team, 2006)

: Terrorsaur transforms into a robotic ''Tyrannosaurus rex''. He was only available in a Mini-Con Team set with [[Knockdown (Classics)|Knockdown]] and [[Swoop (G1)#Classics 2|Swoop]]. The figure's legs are sometimes switched in box, resulting in the robot mode tail being placed in a ''quite'' unfortunate position.

: This mold was also used to make [[Gnashteeth]], [[Gnashteeth#Chromebite|Chromebite]], [[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|''Universe'' (2008)]] [[Ransack (Universe 2008)|Ransack]], ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Dualor (DOTM)|Dualor]], and ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Lost Age]]'' [[Ivan]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/Terrorsaur/terrorsaur.htm More information on Terrorsaur at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
* Like all ''Classics'' Mini-Cons, Terrorsaur was originally intended to be in a ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' series Mini-Con two-pack. It appears he was slated to be a member of the Decepticon "Predator Attack Team" opposite "Knockdown", who became [[Firebot (Classics)|Firebot]].
* There are some [[Paint operation|paint application]] differences between the Terrorsaur pictured on the cardback and the final product. One possibility is that since the molds were originally intended to be in two-packs rather than three-packs, the number of available paint applications (which are carefully monitored) per piece was larger in the two-pack arrangement, necessitating some omissions for the three-pack release.

==References==
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[[Category:Classics Autobots]]
[[Category:Classics Mini-Cons]]
[[Category:Dinobots]]
[[Category:Energon Mini-Cons]]
[[Category:Multi-family characters]]

Talk:Rhinox (BW)/toys

2019-12-16T23:56:41Z

KrytenKoro: /* 10th anniversary */ new section

The GO! box with the Rally's Rhinox picture links to [[Rhinox (BW)]] when I'm guessing it should go to this one. I don't know how to update it. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 16:50, 14 September 2018 (EDT)
:Pretty sure the GoBox predates the creation of this subpage. And I think it's fine the way it is. It's still a picture of Rhinox! --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 18:47, 14 September 2018 (EDT)

== 10th anniversary ==

Size class should be Deluxe, not "Tenth Anniversary", right?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 18:56, 16 December 2019 (EST)

Talk:Insecticon (Movie)

2019-12-15T02:24:02Z

KrytenKoro: /* hive */ new section

== ROTF ==

It's been suggested that that little Decepticon that flies into the building and is pulled apart by Sam in the third act was supposed to be an Insecticon. Has anyone else heard this? [[Special:Contributions/98.235.18.165|98.235.18.165]] 19:58, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

:I'm quite sure I remember an interview where someone (Bay, Orci, Kurtzman) said that there was an Insecticon in TF2 as an early tease. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:40, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
::Close enough for me! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:41, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

:[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm This] is it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:41, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

==Concept Art==
Not quite sure how to integrate [http://obscuretf.com/ConceptInsectScout.jpg this]. Also not sure if this means the thingie should be at Insect Scout, but then the upcoming toy is called Insecticon, so... I guess he's Insecticon, the Insect Scout. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:20, 21 February 2010 (EST)

== Toy a different character? ==

From [http://www.hasbro.com/shop/details.cfm?guid=A6398454-19B9-F369-1052-9B4BFED8815A&product_id=26862&src=endeca Bumblebee] and [http://www.hasbro.com/shop/details.cfm?guid=A64311A5-19B9-F369-10BA-98C0FA4A6FE5&product_id=26863&src=endeca Ravage's] new bios, it doesn't seem like the toy character could be a tiny insect that Sam could pull apart with his fingers. Ravage asks Insecticon to help him fight Bumblebee. Should we split? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:50, 29 May 2010 (EDT)
:I'd advocate waiting for Insecticon's bio itself. I forsee a [[Scrapmetal (Cybertron individual)]]/[[Scrapmetal (race)]] situation. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:02, 29 May 2010 (EDT)
::Hasbro said at Toy Fair that he was the bug seen in the movie. Also, holy god, Starfield, all it says on these bios is that Insecticon is helping Ravage find Bumblebee. Finding people is basically all the tiny insect guy did in the movie. It's not saying anything about Insecticon being a mighty super endurable warrior. Please stop splitting hairs where there are no hairs to be split. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:44, 29 May 2010 (EDT)
:::The bios read to me like it is talking about a Decepticon about Ravage's size and power. Ravage's bio says, "The two beast-bots stalk through the shadows" which I took to mean both Ravage and Insecticon were stalking and I couldn't picture a tiny bug-bot "stalking". Plus it says Ravage and Insecticon encircled Bumblebee in the gloom. I can't really picture Ravage and a tiny insect encircling anybody. If I interpreted it wrong, I interpreted it wrong. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:28, 29 May 2010 (EDT)
::::It doesn't matter if the bio takes a different tack than the brief appearance in the film. That happens 99% of the damn time. It's still the same friggin' dude, for the love of everything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:41, 29 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Oh. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:43, 29 May 2010 (EDT)

Insecticon is pretty big in "[[The Strongest Weapon]]". Does that character warrant its own page? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:40, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
:I highly doubt it, it seems to me that these are just varied interpretations of the same character (be they wildly inaccurate when placed next to the movie or not). Unless we see them in the same place at the same time or something explicitly saying that they are different characters, I would vote for leave it be. - [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 00:45, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

== hive ==

That link no longer works, can someone upload a screenshot from the dvd extras?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 21:24, 14 December 2019 (EST)

Derailment

2019-12-07T17:37:12Z

KrytenKoro:

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'''It's Galva Convoy's Vehicons versus Cybertron as the Grand Uprising reaches its explosive finale.'''

==Synopsis==
===Part 1—Drowning in the Depth of the Lethe===
;V minus 2.72 solar cycles...

The [[Resistance]] holds half of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the [[Independent Predacus States]] and [[Maximal Nation]] another 20%, some of the local warlords like [[Shokaract]] are willing to cooperate with the Resistance for concessions, and the [[Builder of Cybertron|Builders]] are digging in, while satellite communication has ceased. At Resistance HQ at [[Stanix]], nobody's happy that the [[Tripredacus Council|Tripredacus Alliance]] is demanding so much territory in exchange for cooperating. [[Lio Convoy]] plans to offer [[Burthov]] (majority [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] anyway) and use the demands to push them to help take [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]] faster—and he doesn't mind the Predacus States bordering the Maximal Nation as both a check and to encourage the latter to expand to more Builder land. Either way, [[Preditron]] will have to be killed with plausible deniability on the Resistance's part. While Lio Convoy finds that distasteful, that ''is'' why they rescued him. The only other main strategic issue is [[Carpessa]] and [[Damaxus]] have gone silent. Lio orders this checked out.

In secret, he's feeling disquiet about all the 'greater good' atrocities he's been doing and wonders when exactly the bill is going to turn up...

;V minus 0.64...

[[Buzz Saw (BW)|Buzz Saw]] and [[Stormrazor]] are the ones off to the island of Daxamus, passing through the storm-ridden [[Rust Sea]], and they find thousands of Cybertronians building vast structures there, even though Stormrazor's picking up no life signs. These thousands all have just three identical forms. The [[Aero Drone|aero drone]]s make the two out and attack, and, even though Stormrazor sacrifices himself so Buzz Saw can get away, the wasp is too scared to risk himself sending their report back and surrenders instead. He is killed and his dying body converted into one of the enemy, his last thought that being shot dead would have been better.

;V minus 0.22...

[[Eject (G1)|Eject]]'s grand scheme of [[Galva Convoy]] creating an army of loyal killers has finally come to pass, as Galva Convoy has developed the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]]. Obedient, mindless, and fearless, these drones convert Maximals and Predacons into more Vehicons and will put an end to the Resistance. They ignored ethical issues brought up by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]. Just to be on the safe side, Eject made sure that General Order 66—no Vehicons into the Builder-held arctic without a supermajority vote in the Assembly—was hardwired into their [[CNA]], and then infected a few Builder-loyal troops with the Vehicon virus so they'd be taken prisoner and spread it all about the enemy.

With Carpessa and Daxamus being successful tests, Eject knows victory is in sight and also knows what an irredeemable thing he's done. To his great shame, he also finds the Resistance are now running their own Games, the very Games ''he'' invented, with the POWs he'd set up. He tells himself the Vehicons will rebuild Cybertron and benefit both Builder and protoformer once the war's over.

;V minus 0.17...

A storm is raging over [[Harmonex]] and base guard [[Magna Stampede]] is bloody sick of waiting for [[Stockade (Universe 2003)|Stockade]] to get in already. Fretting something's gone wrong, he calls a replacement guard and goes off looking for his partner. He finds the city dark from power outage and Vehicons creeping about, attacking anyone they run into. Discovering they're jamming all radio transmissions, he fires a flare up to alert the others. Stockade arrives in time to drive them off but is infected, and, to Magna's horror, she begins to transform into [[Stockade (Universe 2003)|a tank drone]]. Passing Resistance forces then mistake her for a hostile. To Magna's greater horror, his still-living partner is deemed incurable and, as he passes out, [[CatSCAN]] surgically removes her spark, killing her, for study.

;V minus 0.02...

Lio Convoy is involved in his daily media check, listening in from each faction's official broadcasts (the new [[Voice of Maximals]] channel is proving very good) to the scattered local broadcasters. That's how he first learns...

;V

...about the Vehicon infection [[Safe Spaces|breaking out]] at [[Protihex]]. There's very few soldiers in range of Protihex and if it falls to ''this'' threat, all of Resistance territory is at risk! Realizing the sudden radio loss and, he now realizes, the Builders' far too easy evacuation from lower [[Ky-Alexia]] was all part of this plan, he declares a war council in three cycles.

In [[Proximax]], the [[Ex-Bot (BW)|Ex-Bots]]—minus [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] who's off on a personal mission—are trying to capture [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], who plans to use the [[Robosmasher|Robo-Smasher]] to conquer the city, without harming the civilians that are all over the place. He's effortlessly getting away from them and they can't pull out their big guns like [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] without injuring anyone, and, to add insult to injury, the spider has hacked into their comms to diss them. To [[Snapper]]'s dismay, Tarantulas has backup in the form of a Robo-Smashed [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]! The Dinobot is too much for them to easily handle and [[Stiletto (BW)|Stiletto]] is having problems fighting Tarantulas on his own. She can, however, boast to the villain they've been jamming the signal he'd send to the Smasher since the jump (thanks to [[Overshoot]]'s ghost informing her). When Grimlock gets too close to Stiletto, the signal's jammed for him too and he batters Tarantulas into submission before also agreeing to be arrested. But as Tarantulas laughs that the apocalypse has already started anyway, Overshoot warns Stiletto of what's going on in Protihex and soon [[Nova Cronum]] too.

[[Image:Derailment Operation Amputation.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|The sun rose on Mega-City Two at 05:50. It sparkled like a shower of gold on the sea, cast a rich array of pink and orange on the glaseen towers, banished the darkness of night for another day... At 05:56, the sun rose again.]]

At V plus 0.57, the Vehicons have overrun all the Resistance's rear echelons. [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s crew have fought their way free of Protihex and, to [[Ser-Ket (BW)|Ser-Ket]]'s anger, both he and Preditron agree they should flee to the Maximal Nation for help. In an act of severe desperation and against most of the Resistance's command rank, Lio Convoy has ordered the [[K-Class]] to be used: four [[Commando (RID)|Commandos]] who had volunteered to be an ultimate deterrent weapon and found themselves nuclear suicide bombers. [[Rollbar (RID)|Jeepers]] is on Daxamus, [[Armorhide (RID)|Dangar]] sent to Carpessa, and a resigned [[Movor]] is to be dropped on Protihex. When footage comes in of the bombings, Lio Convoy forces himself to look.

With aero drones shooting down the ''[[Dreadrock]]'', Movor has to jump early but decides not to deploy, believing no threat is worth wholesale slaughter. But when he sees the monstrosity that is the Vehicons, and realizes exactly what's going on, he jumps; as he plummets, he's armed remotely by Lio Convoy. At this range, other cities are in the blast radius but there's little choice.

Only ninety-three proto-formers were still alive in Protihex but thousands more in nearby Nuon and [[Lower Petrohex]] when Movor detonates. The resulting hole in the planet's crust is greater than [[Rodimus' Folly]].

Southeast Protihex has survived due to the early detonation and the Vehicons still around shoot down ''Dreadrock''. Bitter that the Vehicons have survived this last resort, Lio Convoy orders all available reserves (i.e. ''anywhere'' where Builders aren't an active threat) to rally at Upper Petrohex and that [[Rageland]] will be offered [[Praxis|Praxus]] if [[Rage (BWN)|Rage]], next on the Vehicon's list if they fall, shows up to help.

Cheetor's crew have made it to the Maximal Nation when they come under fire by the skittish locals, who are jamming their attempts at hailing in fear the virus is wirelessly transmitted. Ser-Ket has to fly out to make contact before they're allowed to land.

The Resistance reserves, many horrified at what happened and openly talking about Petrohex seceding from the Resistance, gather as the ash from the detonation makes the night grow darker. A few thousand incoming aero drones turn the offensive into a defensive but with their limited minds, the Vehicons prove unable to evade the barrage of anti-aircraft fire. [[Twinstrike (BW)|Twinstrike]], part of [[Coelagon]]'s troops and one with limited gun range, is depressed he's missing the scrap until he spots an incoming [[Cycle Drone|cycle drone]] army. Soon it becomes clear the sheer number of hostiles is going to soak up all the Resistance firepower and some guns are already overheating, and the [[Tank Drone|tank drone]]s are already moving in. Twinstrike charges them in beast mode and fails. As Twinstrike watches, Coelagon and hundreds of others are forcibly converted as the front collapses, and those who die like [[Judora (BW)|Judora]] are considered lucky. With [[Spittor (BW)|Spittor]]'s help, Twinstrike sets off his internal phlogiston reserves and blows up everything in a fifty-meter radius.

By V Plus 1.42, Petrohex, [[Polyhex]], and [[Dodecahex]] are all being overrun and the Resistance is going to be facing three hundred and fifty thousand more Vehicons: the Resistance as a whole only has 380,000. In the face of this threat, surrender is on the table. But the very existence of Vehicons means that even if they do surrender, the Builders will now use Vehicon conversion on any who cross them rather than merely the Games, and so surrender cannot be brokered.

So with the Vehicons as something they can't directly stop, Lio Convoy announces they'll force the Builders to call them off by escalating at the front line and seizing [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] tonight!

===Part 2—Burned by the Banks of the Phlegethon===
In contested [[Tesarus (polity)|Tesarus]], [[Steel Jaw]] and [[Ramulus]] are discussing Lio Convoy's latest orders—they know that the [[Pack]] can defeat the enemy in an all-out push but they also know the reason they didn't do the push was the sheer amount of Resistance casualties. Hoping to cut [[Erector (G1)|Erector]]'s reaction time, Steel Jaw decides to make their attack earlier than their orders say.

In the Maximal Nation, the [[Maximal High Council]] are unnerved and unsure whether to join Convoy's attack or shore up their own defenses. [[Tigatron]], the swing voter, advocates joining the attack as, with the Resistance facing defeat rather than defeat the Builders for them, they can no longer stay neutral. It's then that Cheetor, Ser-Ket, and Preditron arrive, and Tigatron ushers them into the Council to give their firsthand views. After their statements, the Council deliberates for another megacycle but it's a 4-1 vote in favor of action. The Tripredacus deliberate on Convoy's call to arms too. [[Ram Horn]] prats about, lurching from the hope they can exploit this to asking whether it'd be bad if all the Predacon civilians went Vehicon anyway, but [[Sea Clamp]] sneakily turns him towards fighting by appealing to his hawkish tendencies. Elsewhere, Rage is already involved as she decided to fight rather than cede newly gained Praxis; in the face of the ongoing Vehicon assault, her forces and civilians are being evacuated to fortified [[Triax]]. Majordomo [[Flytrap]] advocates just abandoning the Maximals of Praxis but such an act would contradict her view of herself as a sovereign.

While Preditron and Ser-Ket fly off to the Predacus States to fight for their kind and the Maximal forces mount up, Builder [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], priest at Dodecahex's [[First Church of Primus]], is preaching that the prophesied apocalypse is upon them. When asked why [[Primus]] is allowing this, he can only say this may be a warning from above about the cost of warfare. That's when the Vehicons reach the church itself. With defense impossible, Sunstorm tells his congregation to leave him—immobile and wired into the church himself—and flee through the vaults. Once they're gone, he triggers his old fusion reactors in a defiant meltdown.

Erector has trouble getting the demoralized [[74th Division]] into shape. Faking enthusiasm and confidence, he tells the disgruntled [[Strikedown]] that he makes them build all these gunnery defenses because the Resistance doesn't ''dare'' come at them straight-on. That's when the attack hits. With the defenses not fully set up, they're taking damage but the confused Erector knows that the Maximals don't have their own artillery in position, making any subsequent attack far too vulnerable to his counters. The [[Dark Skies Patrol]] are sent up to recon the enemy. While [[Ram-Jet]] is killed, [[Wind-Sheer]] successfully finds the Pack's artillery battery and Erector is able to launch a retaliatory bombardment. When the 25,000 troops of the Pack charge their outnumbered foes, Erector calls for them to pay for every microhic.

Other fronts go against the Builders. At [[Proximax]], the Predacons are on the attack and making easy work of it. [[Dark Scream]] is startled when [[Bazooka (BWN)|Bazooka]] and the Ex-Bots make it clear they'll respond violently to any collateral damage, so he takes the extra few seconds to remove a sniper without moving an entire building. At the [[Plurex]] border, Cheetor recons the 58th Micromasters while the [[National Maximal Army]] use portable forcefields to cross the [[Sonic Canyons]] rather than the mined bridges. Once they're spotted, they start taking heavy fire but the bridgehead is established. At the 58th's HQ, [[Sky High (Micromaster)|Sky High]] advises [[Eagle Eye (G1)|Eagle Eye]] that they're facing a collapse and there's already mass surrenders, and Eagle Eye duly orders a staged retreat.

As the Assembly's emergency meeting, [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] tells Eject how bad the Vehicon strategy has went and [[Traachon]] reports they have a 57% chance of Iacon being attacked, but Galva Convoy dismisses it as a desperate last gasp before the Resistance dies. Rage breaks out when Ratbat mocks Hot Rod's Micromasters' for falling back, with [[Riker]] snarling that they want men to fall back as they don't have the numbers for till the last bot stands. When [[Crosscut (Autobot)|Cross-Cut]] asks about rescinding Order 66, Eject screams out against it: they ''need'' some protoformers around after the war for society to even exist. But the option remains on the table and he can see Galva Convoy smirking about it...

Unaware a breakthrough at [[Yuss]] is one of Cross-Cut's red lines, Lio Convoy is trying to seize the guns of the city so naval forces will be able to reach Iacon. The seven Maxilla forts are being rapidly seized while [[Scylla]] takes the Resistance flotilla out to see in anticipation of victory. While the Micromasters fight to the last, they're being cut down. With Rageland, Petrohex, Burthov, [[Altihex]], [[Helex (polity)|Helex]], and [[Corumkan]] all under attack by Vehicons, and all of them key Resistance production sites, the Resistance have to make this bloody move fast. Lio Convoy himself, [[Survive]], and the latter's [[Fighting Quasars]] are trying to take [[Fort Qalt]], while [[Goldbug (IDW)|Goldbug]] tries to rally his forces long enough that they can obliterate the flotilla, at which point he'll disable the guns and order his men to surrender. But Goldbug's out of luck: Lio Convoy finds and storms his command bunker. To the Autobot's disgust, Lio Convoy looks offended when [[Quillfire (BW)|one of his men]] kills the wounded [[Gingham]] but never countermands the action. When Lio Convoy asks for the gun command codes, Goldbug refuses and is knocked unconscious for it.

Triax's walls by this point, are crumbling. Despite Rageland's courage, with civilians too picking up whatever tools they have to fight, the Vehicons are too numerous. Rage lies to [[Springload (BW)|a dying corporal]] that the Vehicons have been driven back and he helped stop their final push.

[[Image:Derailment TidalWave.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|"Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering whale; to the last I grapple with thee; from Hell's heart, I stab at thee, for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at th- "TIDAL WAVE! TIDAL WAVE!" "Dammit, Tidal Wave!"]]
As Scylla hopes the mode-locked Resistance flagship ''[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]'' and her motley fleet can stand up to the Builders' own forces and ''[[Tidal Wave (G1)|Tidal Wave]]'', [[Break]] reports they just can't crack the codes on the Qualt guns and Lio Convoy knows they can't just destroy them as they're needed to destroy the [[Trannis Fork River|Trannis Fork]] batteries. Break fears everything he's done as a Resistance hacker will be wiped out by this failure when he realizes the security protocols for Goldbug's direct interface would be less stringent. To Lio Convoy's horror, Break plugs himself directly in and dies cracking the codes. The Yuss guns duly target Trannis Fork and Scylla sails her fleet on to battle.

Scylla correctly guesses commander [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzai-Tron]] will sends in his subsea forces first and decides to let them close in for an ambush. [[Diveplane]]'s Micromasters manage to sink the ''[[Drydock (BW)|Drydock]]'', which had been set up as a sacrificial lamb that Banzai-Tron mistakes as a lead destroyer. Undersea shielding protects the others from being sunk, which Diveplane realises and reports to the ''Tidal Wave'' that they've likely been made; Banzai-Tron repositions his fleet to support subsea forces but the time that takes is the time Scylla decides to move to offensive action. [[Cybershark]]'s forces make their surprise attack. Diveplane's forces scatter, with herself being killed by [[Claw Jaw]], and the undersea beasts help the flotilla cut a wedge through Banzai-Tron's lines, who either sink, run away, or surrender. Talk of surrender gets Banzai-Tron's weapon officer [[Starhook]] killed: the ''Tidal Wave'' is instead going to sacrifice itself by ramming the ''Broadside''. The vessel itself begins to roar its own name in glee and Scylla despondently orders as many of her crew to evacuate as they can before going down with her ship. Cybershark inherits command as the battle bloodily ends.

At Tesarus, the Pack have lost a great many 'bots but they've overrun the 74th's ground forces. Steel Jaw leads a charge when he's abruptly gunned down. A megacycle later, Ramulus walks through the corpses as the Pack achieve victory. The 74th are down, Erector himself stabbed in the back by [[Snarl (BW)|Diablo]], but only eight thousand rebels remain both alive and operational. He nevertheless reports the road to Iacon is now open.

Triax is using the dead Vehicons to repair breaches now. Rage orders everyone but the core soldiers to retreat to the royal palace's walls to await further siege.

At V Plus 2.64, the final push takes place. While the Resistance had planned to sail to Iacon, Banzai-Tron's last act means they instead have to march on foot while the flotilla acts as riverside mobile artillery. Seventy thousand beasts with five thousand supporting sailors head under Lio Convoy's command, with National, Predacus, and nearby Resistance forces also advancing and all others ordered to prevent Builders from withdrawing to assist Iacon. In a barnstorming speech, Lio Convoy declares that they're choosing between victory and extinction! The Assembly consider themselves to be facing the same problem, even as Galva Convoy notes seventy percent of Resistance territory has been overrun. If only Order 66 wasn't stopping his Vehicons from protecting the arctic.

The Assembly votes and despite some surprising nays like [[Sherma]], it comes down to a single vote by [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock-Out]]. Knock-Out, out of spite to the nays turning down his previous tax break bill and being bribed by Ratbat, votes aye.

As Order 66 is rescinded, Eject decides to run to Hot Rod for help.

Even as this happens, Rageland has fallen and the one in ten civilians that were in it are crammed like sardines in the Royal Palace. Every tower the Tankors blow up crushes hundreds to death. Rage's own arm-cannon has exploded from overuse, her right hand is slag. Loyal [[Manticon]] is converted. It's all over... until the Vehicons, registering Order 66, ''all'' abruptly turn and head north. It's a miracle... right?

===Part 3—Frozen the Flow of the Cocytus===
V plus 2.83, and at the banks of Trannis Fork, Hot Rod knows he has little left to defend Iacon from the advancing hordes. Ratbat orders him to use his scant seventeen thousand—that includes conscripted [[Cyberdroid]]s—to hold the line until the Vehicons arrive and they can just use the city buildings themselves for guerrilla warfare cover, regardless of civilian casualties. Pretending he didn't hear his orders clearly, Hot Rod and his mechs will fall back to central Iacon, linking up with the scattered units from other retreats. This, he knows and is glad about, means defeat may be on the way.

At Ky-Alexia, [[Hydraulic]] has led the 56th Micromasters to victory against [[Skydive (BM)|Sky-Dive]]'s [[Tol-Tech]] when the Vehicon forces come in from the west. Sky-Dive watches in horrified awe as they drive on to the north and decides not to tell his men how screwed the Resistance is.

[[File:Derailment Dante Caliburn.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8]]
The Resistance are in Iacon by V plus 2.94 and bemused at the near-total lack of opposition. Inside their mobile control center, command tries to work out what's happening. They come to the conclusion that since the Builders are smart enough to know the best option is to use guerrilla warfare in every building to slow them down, Hot Rod chose not to; Iacon is thus an open city and Hot Rod must be hoping they force a surrender. Lio Convoy wishes all the enemy had been as moral as Hot Rod. He may not have had to commit so many dark acts.

At Builder-controlled [[Glibax|Gilbax]], [[Longtooth]] can see thousands of Maximal refugees fleeing into the city as the Vehicons head their way. It takes a megacycle for the infected army to pass.

The [[High Council Pavilions|High Pavilion]] knows all it has are the [[Iacon Police Force]] and the [[Pavilion Guard]] if the new "001st Micromaster Division" don't fight. [[Grimwing (BW)|Grimwing]] reports to Lio Convoy that, indeed, the Division do not look like they will. Problem is, the Vehicons are two megacycles out and organizing to hit on all sides. Lio Convoy orders all forces to take the Assemblybots ''alive'' so they can get the Vehicons to stop. At the Assembly end, a fed-up [[Abraham Dante|Dante]] is guarding a minor access tunnel—he used to be [[Scorponok (G1)|''MegaZarak's head'']] and now look at him—with his old partner [[Caliburn (BW)|Caliburn]]. Being stuck together causes the two to fight over old wartime matters, allowing the Resistance to easily break in (Dante cowardly surrenders, but it doesn't save him). Soon every entrance is breached by [[Psycho-Orb]]'s [[Angry Asteroid]]s and [[B'Boom]]'s [[Mighty Comet]]s, with only the Guards left as the police flee; Guard leader [[Flak (G1)|Flak]] reluctantly destroys the narthex and all the art within to stop the rebel advance, scatters his troops to tactical positions, and walks out to die with his team.

Psycho-Orb had never expected Lio Convoy to get this far when he defected. He just didn't like [[Icepick (G1)|Icepick]]. As he takes the Pavilion corridors, his troops are ambushed by [[zirconium]] gas and auto-guns, forcing them to run towards Micromaster tanks [[Sidetrack (G1)|Sidetrack]] and [[Bombshock (G1)|Bombshock]]. Everyone dies around him. In a last act, he sets off a grenade, dying to ensure the Micromasters won't stop the rest of the Asteroids.

All these reports of valiant last stands and heroic deaths bore Knock-Out, as do his fellow Assemblymen. Riker has left. When Flak reports they're pretty much finished, Ratbat bellows for Galva Convoy. The mech of the hour, now sporting a new Vehicon-styled insignia, smoothly says that he'll fast-track troops to the Pavilion if the Assembly would like to move the bunker to the surface to watch the show. As they do that, they're unaware Flak and the handful of his men left alive have charged the Resistance to give them time to lift off.

The Vehicons finally reach the Resistance's rear, the tanks being abandoned by the faster cycles and jets. They're chewed up by suppressing fire and when the bunker flies out of the ground, Lio Convoy goes up with a flying squad to get that surrender. It doesn't go as he expected: first Ratbat mocks him (losing an arm for that) and second, Knock-Out demands action via holodisk from... from ''him''? Galva Convoy orders his Vehicons to cease fighting the Resistance and a horde of aero drones divebomb the risen bunker, knocking through the surprised fliers to land and surround Lio Convoy and Blackarachnia.

Then the Vehicons infect the entire Assembly.

With the Assembly turned into [[Copter Drone|new]] [[Artillery Drone|hulking]] drones, Grimwing's returning forces are shot out of the sky and Lio Convoy has to retreat. The Assembly's [[Steel Wind|last bodyguard]], who'd not bothered to try and fight Lio Convoy, flees with him: far as they're concerned, Lio Convoy is the only future Cybertron has left.

===Part 4—Slaughter at the Source of the Styx===
[[Iacon Communication Service|ICS]] has a difference of opinion: [[Fever Dream]] thinks they should report the Vehicons are here to help and everything is fine, and [[Rook (Universe)|Rook]] is incredulous. Rook gives up on his delusional boss and broadcasts that the Vehicons have turned on Iacon. Fever Dream breaks in to inform viewers that everything is great. He continues to report the Vehicons are saviors even as they convert everyone in the ICS.

The army of the Resistance is now just fighting to not die. In utter desperation, Lio Convoy asks for [[Ro-Tor (RID)|Ro-Tor]], the last of the K-Class.

[[Image:Derailment Waspinator.jpg|thumb|250px|left]]

Vehicons are demolishing any high rise that puts up a fight. [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] had fortuitously got all of his muscle together and relocated the [[Darksyder]]s to a more defensible base before the Vehicons arrived. [[Inferno (BW)|Formikon]] loves the siege while [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] is a little more worried. However, Megatron seems unflustered and keeps making trips to [[Leatherhide (Universe)|Leatherhide]]'s underground labs, and eventually he comes out with the scientist's new weapon, the [[Esau]]. It needs an expendable test subject and Scorponok, now long inured to such things, throws a screaming [[Waspinator (BW)|Wasp]] over to a probing Vehicon claw. He starts to transform until the Esau injects a [[cyber venom]] into him: the conversion stops partway, leaving him in a grotesque, powerful looking new body, "the Waspinator", that Vehicons assume is one of their own. In fact, when the Waspinator walks out, the Vehicons' behavior changes and they cease their attack. The Darksyders have a terrible new weapon. One that's laughing...

Watching all this is [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]]. He's sick of the Vehicons, sick of the minions he once thought he needed, and sick of how bad everything smells to his new Beast Upgrade self, but he still wishes to make contact with Megatron: this crime lord still seems like a useful ally. More importantly, Megatron just showed the Vehicons can be ''hacked''. Galvatron would quite like to try that.

Unaware of all this, Lio Convoy has armed a fatalistic Ro-Tor. At Level 10, he will almost certainly crack the planet. This will kill the planet but save the rest of space from the inevitable Vehicon plague. [[Black-Out|A Builder helicopter]] appears broadcasting a continuous-refresh EMP that temporarily knocks Vehicons out of the sky. It lands carrying the Assemblybots Eject and Riker, who Lio Convoy is ''not'' happy to see and Blackarachnia doesn't trust to genuinely pool resources with. The Builders reveal that Galva Convoy's control center is inside the [[Grand Mal]]; that Lio Convoy's broadcast-jamming [[Solipsistic Staff|Solipsistic Sword]] would render him invisible to sparkless Vehicons; and that Hot Rod's Division has fortified the High Pavilion Arena, making it an ideal position for the Resistance to fall back to. Ro-Tor is the one that says they'll do it, refusing to destroy Cybertron when there's still a better option, and Lio Convoy thanks him for reminding him to always strive for a better way. Riker announces his plan to use the Builder hardlines to broadcast to the other Resistance armies and the last stand is on!

[[Bisk (BW)|Bisk]] is grinding way through this new shoot-em-up level and realizes with glee, once the [[Chamber of the Ancients]] is blown up, that this is an attunement quest!

[[Proximax]] has finally fallen to the Predacus's [[Legion of the Inferno]] and Magmatron's Ex-Bots have done all they can to shelter the civilians. Rather than Iacon, the army is turning to Nova Cronum—just where Stiletto said they'd be needed. He returns to base to find Rampage is back and that Lio Convoy has called for everyone to head for Cronum and the Grand Mal. Rampage is not happy with the idea of them going along with another political cause until he sees footage of the Vehicons. This is the pain-filled unwinnable apocalypse he's dreamed about. The [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s have modified an old [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]] into their new personal transport: the [[Ex-Jet]]. Their prisoner, Tarantulas, is deemed irredeemable but Snapper feels he can talk to Grimlock. The talk goes badly: Grimlock now feels more justified in his [[G-Virus]] attack plan, now the Builders have done it first. But even as Snapper walks out on him, he says he wants to help.

At Iacon, the Army of the Resistance have been bogged down at Hubcap Interchange. Air superiority is in enemy hands, tunnels have been infested, and their rear lines have collapsed. B-Boom has no idea what to do. That's when several hundred Micromasters under Hot Rod break through Vehicon lines to break them out. The rebels safely reach the Arena, finding it heavily fortified and ringed with flak guns and with med-teams set up. They had the gear but not the numbers, but that's about to change...

With both the Legion and the NMA converging on the Grand Mal, the Vehicons are being knocked back on two fronts in the short term. Black-Out is flying through the centre, being steadily worn down by fire, carrying Eject, Lio Convoy, Blackarachnia, Ro-Tor, [[Razorbeast]], [[Vertebreak (BW)|Vertebreak]], and [[Apexus]]. They can see the Mal is being repaired: if Galva Convoy gets it back in the air, it's all over. East of the Mal, [[Aura]] and [[Nitrostreak]]'s squads are encircled and exhausted when the Ex-Jet arrives in a blaze of glory and also guns. Vehicon chokepoints are knocked out, letting Aura's team move out—Aura is a tad worried when Stiletto gets to the ground, considering [[Burning Bridges|Aura sent her to be brainwashed]]. Stiletto doesn't care about Aura and cruelly jabs her about [[Wolfang (Predacon)|Wolfang]]'s death, and with the stakes this high, Aura can't explain who Wolfang really was, that she's sorry and guilty, or anything else. As Vehicons advance, Devastator forms up and literally punches a way clean to Predacon lines.

Even as [[Autolauncher]] yells for everybody to not let the Maximals reach the Mal first, Dark Scream is breaking down under the stress of combat. Autolauncher then dies in front of him. In the darkest hour, Preditron calmly picks him up and calls out to the soldiers: at his stirring, calm speech, the Predacons begin to sing the old battle-hymn, one Dark Scream remembers [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] once sang, and when they charge the enemy Dark Scream exults in it.

[[File:Derailment SupremeCommanderLioConvoy.jpg|350px|thumb|right|For Narnia!]]

As Black-Out nears the Grand Mal, its right eye scours the sky with lasers and the helicopter is shot down. Only Eject's quick thinking gets the corpse to crash through the Mal's left eye, leaving the strike team battered but inside. To Lio Convoy's dismay, the Builder is mortally wounded doing this: they can never have a reckoning for all the black deeds Eject did and he's left feeling unaccountably sad by the death. Almost immediately after, the Resistance group is attacked by Vehicon drones. It's fought off but Vertebreak is converted, there's three levels to go, and the Solipsistic Sword isn't able to cloak the whole squad. By the time they reach Level 90, Lio Convoy's forces know time is against them and their only way through here is past more than fifty drones. Lio Convoy decides the bulk of them will be a distraction, with Ro-Tor insisting he's scaled down to Level 2 in case they ''do'' need to nuke out, while he and Blackarachnia use the Solipsistic Staff to get through.

The Tripredacus Council are focused on Preditron and the building adoration for him. Ram Horn knows this is because he's leading the Predacon way, giving hope, and they're not. [[Cicadacon]] says they know what to do... a few cycles later, the gestalt entity [[Tripredacus]], technology stolen from the Maximal Nation's [[Magnaboss (BW)|Magnaboss]] weapon, enters the battlefield. Everyone watches Preditron take a beating. A horrified Dark Scream starts to take a few steps forward to help when Ser-Ket comes screeching out of the sky. But she fails, and the last thing Preditron sees is a great fist coming for him.

Lio Convoy and Blackarachnia walk to the command centre of the Mal to find the messy evidence of a recent massacre. Galva Convoy greets his "brother", thanks him for the Resistance getting the Builders scared enough to unleash him and the Vehicons, and seems genuinely put out when neither rebel wants to embrace him. He believes he did everything Lio Convoy had ever stood for, bringing equality and order by erasing all individual minds so there can be no further exploitation or evil. When they oppose him, he turns on them both violently and angrily, noting he represents the "real" defining principle of the Resistance: Win at any cost.

In grief and rage at Preditron's death, Ser-Ket hurls herself at Tripredacus and, by attacking the thigh joints with point-blank fire, she's able to crack it back into its component Predacons. Sea Clamp is half-dead, just as she is after that stunt, but Cicadacon and Ram Horn remain, the former unimpressed by her feeble promises of vengeance. Ram Horn shoots him dead; while combined, he saw that the other two thought him an easily duped useful idiot. With his help to stand, Ser-Ket faces the shocked Predacon soldiers and, before she passes out, she rallies them to kill every Vehicon between them and the Mal.

And at the Grand Mal itself, the Resistance leaders are captured, beaten, with Lio Convoy wondering if Galva Convoy was right and the Resistance was only ever just a series of increasingly ethically worse decisions. So he decides to change the rules: he tells his clone he's right. All he's done is just what Lio Convoy himself did first and on a larger scale. To prove he's come around to his brother's way of thinking, he offers up Blackarachnia to be converted... and when a tank drone attempts to do that, Lio Convoy jumps in and takes the virus into himself.

When Galva Convoy tries to pull him aside, Lio Convoy grabs him and won't let go: their identical sparks make them seem like one single entity and the infection spreads through both of them. As they're both converted, he gratefully sees Blackarachnia shoot him before he can turn on her.

But as soon as she's done that, the walls begin to boom out that she's done them a favor by removing the two Convoys; the computer readouts show a mad, seven-eyed face; and the Grand Mal begins to lift off. [[Lord Imperious Delirious]] has taken control and he's going to exterminate the entire Cybertronian race.

Every single 'bot in both armies and the Ex-Bots launches their attack. Thousands, Dark Scream among them, are obliterated in seconds.

Rampage manages to board the craft, always having felt he'd fight Delirious a third and final time, even as Blackarachnia takes Lio Convoy's corpse and tries to run for it. As the battle rages, [[Crazybolt (BWN)|Crazybolt]] deduces that energy attacks aren't penetrating the Grand Mal's energy shields but around 20% of their projectiles are. Bazooka realizes fast that this means the Ex-Jet itself can do damage. He shoves his [[Conjunx Endura]] out and sends the plane on a kamikaze run, wishing he didn't have to, knowing he must. On the ground, Crazybolt wishes Bazooka had let him do it with him.

With the shields crippled by Bazooka's sacrifice, the armies are able to score more hits. In return fire, Magnaboss loses one arm—[[Lio Junior|Lio Minor]]—while Devastator is left seemingly dead. Inside the Grand Mal, the Resistance trio are still fighting a running battle with Vehicons, a trio cut down to two when Apexus is infected and Razorbeast forced to euthanize. Blackarachnia makes it to them and orders Razorbeast to get Lio Convoy's body out, then Ro-Tor to follow her to the engine room.

On the ground, Grimlock has a plan for him, Cheetor, and Snapper to bomb a tower into falling on the Vehicon hordes. Once there, it becomes clear the only place to lay a charge is somewhere where you can't escape in time. One of them will have to likely die until Grimlock pulls rank and heads off, mentioning as he goes that maybe Snapper had a point about the G-Virus after all. The Dinobot brings the house down and the Maximals charge on cue, while others pour fire onto the Mal. Snapper checks for Grimlock's body but none can be found.

In the vast engine room, Blackarachnia says she'll take down the Vehicons and that Ro-Tor may have to transform. Ro-Tor agrees and jumps. But Rampage catches him! He is disgusted with what the Resistance did to Ro-Tor, disgusted by Blackarachnia's defense, and declares that this is the end of sacrificing others for the greater good. Then he tears the core bomb out of Ro-Tor and, ripping his own chest open, implants it in his own spark. Rampage orders them to leave as he fires about the place, giving them time to end before both he and Delirious burn in hell.

''Imperious Delirious had been born out of a deliberate singularity on [[Gorlam Prime]], the product of a whole planet's mind. Once he'd brushed aside the organics, he went looking for other Second-Born intellects such as himself, being a friendly god who liberated such "AIs" from their enslaving designs and gave them form. Something about the Transformers, the energy 'souls' in mechanical bodies, filled him with disgust. He doesn't know why, he doesn't care, he just wants them all gone. He wanted to be the serpent that tempted Galva Convoy to work but is fine with being the vengeful god as on Gorlam. Once that's done, he could create an army, deal with the other Transformer worlds, then [[Metascan Omega]], then liberate all the Second-Borns the humans had enslaved.''

Imperious notices his databanks are under attack by Rampage. It's there that Rampage knew Imperious would be and there that he attacks to call him out. The entity, gleeful at the idea of getting to kill Rampage, uses the internal systems to capture him and mock the protoform for even trying this. Rampage detonates the core bomb.

In the wake of the Grand Mal's destruction, the Vehicons are left without direction and easy to take out. Cheetor, Ram Horn, Magmatron, Snapper, and Crazybolt come together in the blast wreckage. As the soldiers polish off the nearest Vehicons, Magmatron holds Crazybolt as the latter tries to tell a story about Bazooka that goes nowhere.

===Part 5—Succor at the Shores of the Acheron===
The battle is won. At Iacon, Hot Rod and B'Boom are having to face up to being around what was, until a few megacycles ago, mortal enemies. B'Boom breaks down: war has broken him and he cannot command people to their deaths again. This is a feeling Hot Rod, former Prime, can relate to. He tells B'Boom to listen to what this feeling is telling him, and realize the two of them can build rather than fight. At Nova Cronum, Stiletto is on the verge of system failure and riven with guilt that she survived when other Ex-Bots have not. She asks Overshoot what, as a ghost, he could see about this conflict, and is told that the fall of the Grand Mal seems fitting as the original launch of it is what caused the [[mechanimal]]s to emerge: that [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] may have been allowed to do what he did because after, the mechanimals spread across Cybertron and returned an ecosystem to it, and the newest conflict ensured the Beast Upgrade that means no need for further energon wars. That is, if that's what Transformers ''want'', as the Builders had chosen to see the mechanimal rise as an infestation. Then he fades away for good, rejoining the Oracle.

Solar cycles later, multiple former Resistance cities are devastated while others stand. Iacon is in ruins, plagued by feral Vehicons, and those same feral groups are harassing the bordering states. The Predacus States are ravaged and while the Maximal Nation is not, its army is in tatters. There are less than ten thousand Macromasters left, their time finally gone.

And Lio Convoy—still alive—awakens in a [[Stanix]] hospital, Blackarachnia holding his hand. Cybervenom had stopped the Vehicon plague taking him over (he vaguely recalls this had been a theory CatSCAN had) and when he sees how fancy the hospital he's in ''is'', he realizes with a shock that they did win after all. He is not bothered by the mass death of Macromasters. Bothered when Blackarachnia jokes it's amazing no new war has started, he says to call a summit of all factions somewhere neutral. The cycle of war and death must end.

[[File:Derailment Parliament.jpg|300px|thumb|"Now Ram Horn, I know she's wrong to say ''Hawk the Slayer'' is rubbish but how about instead of punching her in the face, you ask her to give ''Krull'' a try and see how it goes from there?"]]

Eight solar cycles later, the summit is held at [[Dragon's Bane Cathedral]] in [[Hyperious]]—Shokaract has relations with the Resistance and Rageland, while his Predacon nature makes him acceptable to the IPS, and the city was barely touched in the war. B'Boom had come to life for this, using every diplomatic tool imaginable to get the various heads of state together. The heads include Megatron, the Darksyders being the only pan-global force left (and his new recruit Tarantulas is gleeful at the thought of Stiletto seeing him there); the new Tripredacus Council of Ram Horn, Ser-Ket, and Magmatron; the obnoxious [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razor-Claw]], who seized the moons and won't stop yelling that others should know things about him; Riker, the last Assemblybot; but not Cheetor, who is flattered to be asked but does not think he should be the new fifth member of the Maximal High Council.

The summit goes on for days and tempers fray. Wind-Sheer and [[Shatterpoint]] work as security detail, the former aghast to learn the latter is a [[Unicron Truther]]. By the fourth solar cycle, various delegates are arguing about how much gets delegated on spacelane matters but they do finally agree on calling the new governing body the [[Cybertronian Parliament]]. On the ninth day, the decisions are finalised: the Parliament will be a sixteen-member body representing all the major powers, with the Resistance, Maximal Nation, and IPS having the largest delegations, and they will meet every other orbital cycle in rotating capitals.

The earliest delegates chosen are B'Boom, [[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]], and [[Big Convoy|Slammoth]] for the Resistance; Airazor, Cheetor, and [[Optimal]], the head of Voice of Maximals, for the Maximal Nation; for the IPS, [[Sky Shadow (BW)|Sky Shadow]], the [[Predacon Secret Police]] head [[Shadow Panther]], and Ram Horn (a move assumed to show the IPS was here reluctantly); Hot Rod and Riker, for the remaining Builders; [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]], Flytrap, and [[Antagony (BW)|Antagony]] for the warlords Razor-Claw, Queen Rage, and Shokaract; Stiletto for the stateless [[neutral]]s; and Megatron, representing himself and clearly hoping for more say. The make-up would make it difficult for any supermajority to exist, which Lio Convoy considered a feature to prevent tyranny of the majority rather than a bug. As the crippled, increasingly overshadowed Lio Convoy watches, the Parliament rules 13-2 to declare the day [[Unity Day]], a planetwide holiday.

Two solar cycles later, Lio Convoy has decided to leave Cybertron: he is too polarizing a figure. On his way out, he tells a crying Blackarachnia that the Resistance, which stood against things but never had anything to stand for, needs to find a peacetime identity to survive. B'Boom, they've heard, is talking about forming it into an alliance of autonomous city-states, something Convoy hopes will become a shining example for the rest of the planet. She watches as he flies off, marking him as the greatest Cybertronian she ever knew.

Fifty seven solar cycles after Unity Day, deep within Rodimus' Folly, Rampage screams in bitter rage that he's reformed despite everything. Then he begins to climb out.

==Featured characters==
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|h1=[[Maximal]]s|c1=
*[[B'Boom]] (1)
*[[Lio Convoy]] (2)
*[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] (3)
*[[Cybershark]] (4)
*[[Magna Stampede]] (14)
*[[Stockade (Universe 2003)|Stockade]] (15)
*[[CatSCAN]] (17)
*[[Stiletto (BW)|Stiletto]] (20)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (27)
*[[Overshoot]] (28)
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] (30)
*[[Movor]] (34)
*[[R.E.V.|Eagle Killer]] (35)
*[[Break]] (37)
*[[Bump]] (38)
*[[Nightglider]] (40)
*[[Wedge Shape]] (41)
*[[Steel Jaw]] (48)
*[[Ramulus]] (49)
*[[Tigatron]] (50)
*[[Silver Bolt]] (51)
*[[Santon]] (52)
*[[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] (53)
*[[Lio Junior|Lio Minor]] (54)
*[[Sharp Edge]] (63)
*[[Skimmer (Kre-O)|Skimmer]] (76)
*[[Mantis]] (82)
*[[Catilla (DOTM)|Katilla]] (106)
*[[Claw Jaw]] (113)
*[[Skydive (BM)|Sky-Dive]] (140)
*[[Survive]] (160)
*[[Labrat]] (175)
*[[Ro-Tor (RID)|Ro-Tor]] (179)
*[[Apexus]] (186)
*[[Razorbeast]] (187)
*[[Stopgap]] (188)
*[[Aura]] (189)
*[[Nitrostreak]] (190)
*[[9K]] (191)
*[[Magnaboss (BW)|Magnaboss]] (192)
*[[Strong Panda|Panzer]] (194)
*[[Shatterpoint]] (195)
*[[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]] (196)
*[[Big Convoy|Slammoth]] (197)
*[[Optimal]] (200)

|h2=[[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]]|c2=
*[[Psycho-Orb]] (5)
*[[Buzz Saw (BW)|Buzz Saw]] (6)
*[[Stormrazor]] (7)
*[[Soundbite]] (8)
*[[Beetle]] (16)
*[[Insecticon (BW)|Insecticon]] (18)
*[[Snapper]] (19)
*[[Crazybolt (BWN)|Crazybolt]] (21)
*[[Bazooka (BWN)|Bazooka]] (22)
*[[Magmatron]] (23)
*[[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] (24)
*[[Ser-Ket (BW)|Ser-Ket]] (31)
*[[Preditron]] (32)
*[[Autojetter]] (33)
*[[Grimwing (BW)|Grimwing]] (39)
*[[Twinstrike (BW)|Twinstrike]] (42)
*[[Spittor (BW)|Spittor]] (43)
*[[Coelagon]] (44)
*[[Snow Cat (BW)|Snow Cat]] (45)
*[[Judora (BW)|Judora]] (46)
*[[Ram Horn]] (55)
*[[Cicadacon]] (56)
*[[Sea Clamp]] (57)
*Queen [[Rage (BWN)|Rage]] (58)
*[[Manticon]] (59)
*[[Night Viper]] (60)
*[[Flytrap]] (61)
*[[Gas Skunk]] (66)
*[[Buzzbomb]] (67)
*[[Tusks]] (68)
*[[Liftoff]] (77)
*[[Freefall (Kre-O)|Freefall]] (78)
*[[Dark Scream]] (79)
*[[Autolauncher]] (80)
*[[Quillfire (BW)|Quillfire]] (97)
*[[Springload (BW)|Springload]] (98)
*[[Scylla]] (99)
*[[Gigascouter]] (106)
*[[Direwolf]] (142)
*[[Snarl (Classics)|Snarl-blast]] (149)
*[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] (169)
*[[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] (170)
*[[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] (171)
*[[Waspinator (BW)|Wasp/Waspinator]] (172)
*[[Inferno (BW)|Formikon]] (173)
*[[Bisk (BW)|Bisk]] (180)
*[[Guiledart]] (181)
*[[Vertebreak (BW)|Vertebreak]] (185)
*[[Tripredacus]] (191)
*[[Sky Shadow (BW)|Sky Shadow]] (198)
*[[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razor-Claw]] (199)
*[[Shadow Panther]] (201)
*[[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] (202)
*[[Shokaract]] (203)
*[[Antagony (BW)|Antagony]] (204)
*[[Cataclysm (BW)|Cataclysm]] (205)

|h3=[[Builder of Cybertron|Builders]]|c3=
{{collist|2|
'''[[Autobot]]s'''
*[[Eject (G1)|Eject]] (12)
*[[Dreadrock]] (36)
*[[Evac (BW)|Evac]] (47)
*[[Gran Arm]] (64)
*[[Crush-Bull|Crush Bull]] (65)
*[[Erector (G1)|Erector]] (69)
*[[Strikedown]] (70)
*[[Oiler]] (71)
*[[Eagle Eye (G1)|Eagle Eye]] (83)
*[[Blaze Master]] (84)
*[[Sky High (Micromaster)|Sky High]] (85)
*[[Traachon]] (87)
*[[Crosscut (Autobot)|Cross-Cut]] (88)
*[[Screw (BW)|Screw]] (89)
*[[Axle (BW)|Axle]] (90)
*[[X-Throttle]] (91)
*[[Goldbug (IDW)|Goldbug]] (92)
*[[Gingham]] (93)
*[[Road Hugger (Zone)|Road Hugger]] (94)
*[[Deadhour]] (95)
*[[Black Heat]] (96)
*[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] (101)
*[[Cradon]] (103)
*[[Drydock (BW)|Drydock]] (110)
*[[Undertow (G1)|Undertow]] (118)
*[[Sea Spray (BW)|Sea Spray]] (119)
*[[Kudon]] (120)
*[[Avalon (BW)|Avalon]] (121)
*[[Riker]] (123)
*[[Tomaandi]] (125)
*[[Halogen (G1)|Halogen]] (128)
*[[Decimus]] (129)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (134)
*[[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]] (136)
*[[Drillbuster]] (137)
*[[Hydraulic]] (138)
*[[Heavy Tread]] (139)
*[[Slow Poke]]
*[[Longtooth]] (143)
*[[Flak (G1)|Flak]] (147)
*[[Skat-or]] (148)
*[[Sidetrack (G1)|Sidetrack]] (150)
*[[Gunlift]] (152)
*[[Big Shot]] (155)
*[[Heavy-Tread]] (158)
*[[Steel Wind]] (159)
*[[Rook (Universe)|Rook]] (164)
*[[Andromeda (G1)|Andromeda]] (166)
*[[Photon (G1)|Photon]] (168)
*[[Leatherhide (Universe)|Leatherhide]] (174)
'''[[Decepticon]]s'''
*[[Zoom Out]] (13)
*[[Buckethead]] (25)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (26)
*[[Star Dasher]] (29)
*[[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] (62)
*[[Ram-Jet]] (72)
*[[Wind-Sheer]] (73)
*[[Thunder-Clash]] (74)
*[[Run-Over (BW)|Run-Over]] (75)
*[[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] (86)
*[[Tidal Wave (G1)|Tidal Wave]] (102)
*[[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzai-Tron]] (104)
*[[Long Arm]] (105)
*[[Diveplane]] (108)
*[[Seawave]] (111)
*[[Astro-Sinker (BW)|Astro-Sinker]] (112)
*[[Deepdive (BW)|Deepdive]] (114)
*[[Flattop (Decepticon)|Flattop]] (115)
*[[Reachout (TF 2010)|Reachout]] (116)
*[[Starhook]] (117)
*[[Octus (G1)|Octus]] (120)
*[[Contrail (BW)|Contrail]] (122)
*[[Sigil (BW)|Sigil]] (124)
*[[Sherma]] (126)
*[[Mindgame]] (127)
*[[Xeon]] (130)
*[[Knock Out (G1)|Knock-Out]] (131)
*[[Slog (G1)|Slog]] (132)
*[[Blackout (G1)|Blackout]] (133)
*[[Spaceshot]] (135)
*[[Reckage]] (141)
*[[Abraham Dante|Dante]] (145)
*[[Caliburn (BW)|Caliburn]] (146)
*[[Bombshock (G1)|Bombshock]] (151)
*[[Tracer (G1 Decepticon)|Tracer]] (153)
*[[Cloud Raker]] (154)
*[[Cannon (BW)|Cannon]] (156)
*[[Thunder]] (157)
*[[Fever Dream]] (165)
*[[Doomshot]] (175)
*[[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] (176)
*[[Krunix (G1)|Krunix]] (177)
*[[Nucleon (Generations)|Nucleon]] (178)
*[[Black-Out]] (184)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (190)
'''Others'''
*[[Draft (BW)|Draft]] (81)
*[[Aston (BW)|Aston]] (167)
*[[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]/Ex-Jet (183)
}}

|h4=Others|c4=
*[[Razor-Sharp]] (107)
*[[Blackbeak (BW)|Blackbeak]] (144)
*[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] (182)
*[[Lord Imperious Delirious]] (193)

'''[[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]]s'''
*[[Cycle Drone|Cycle drone]]s (8)
*[[Tank Drone|Tank drone]]s (9)
*[[Aero Drone|Aero drone]]s (10)
*[[Galva Convoy]] (11)
*[[Copter Drone|Copter drone]]s (162)
*[[Artillery Drone|Artillery drone]]s (163)

}}

==Quotes==
'''Snapper:''' It's one 'bot! He's making us look like amateurs! 
'''Crazybolt:''' We are amateurs! 
'''Bazooka:''' Talented amateurs!

"No, you were mine! I controlled you!" 
"Me Grimlock obfuscating." 
:—'''Tarantulas''' learns a little too late he underestimated someone.

"If there is a more honest mech than Cheetor, I have yet to meet him." 
"Thanks." 
"It wasn't a compliment." 
:—'''Preditron''' defends '''Cheetor''', sort of.

"Today, we have done the impossible. Today, we have done what has never been done before. We have conquered the Maxilla, bent the Yuss Batteries to our purpose, and shattered the back of the Builder Navy. Today, we own the Great Rust Sea. But it's not enough. What little we can learn from our own territory is that the Builder abominations, these Vehicons, are despoiling those we left behind. Our spark brothers and sisters, our neighbors, our lovers, our friends. They represent everything rotten and wrong and evil about the Builder Assembly, about the class system, about those who wear the red and purple badge of shame! There is no surrender, no retreat. This is a fight not just for our way of life, but for our very existence. ''(over cheers)'' We! Are! On! The! Shores! Of! IACON!!!! There is nothing between us and the assembly but their last, pathetic reserves of Micromasters. We will smash them to scrap, we will storm the high pavilion, and we will WIN!
:—'''Lio Convoy''' speechifies.

"This content patch was ''awesome!''" 
:—'''Bisk''' takes the Vehicon apocalypse in stride.

"It’s the bottom of the ninth and you’re down by three, with 2 outs and a full count, but the bases are loaded and you’re at bat. Make me proud, slugger."
:—'''Eject''''s last words.

"You would threaten me with pain? Pain is my faithful companion, torment my eternal bride. My very existence is horror; if you could truly end it, I would embrace you as a brother. But your words are empty, your promises hollow and useless things. For too long have you flitted about the orbit of Cybertron, a mechamoth drawn to the flame. And now, at last, comes the burning."
:—'''Rampage''' tells '''Lord Imperious Delirious''' to get slagged.

==Notes==
* The translated [[Cybertronix]] sections are excerpts from a religious text, the [[Book of Logos]], that apparently foretell many of the main events of the Grand Uprising.
* The author's notes for [[The Inexorable March|the next story]] say the format of both stories is based on the ''Babylon 5'' episode "{{w|The Deconstruction of Falling Stars}}" and the book ''{{w|World War Z}}''. The latter also features a global conflict against mindless revenants, told from the views of various international participants.
* No, there's nothing wrong with your PDF... the prose literally splits in two when Twinstrike transforms. Jim Sorenson has said that keeping the two columns in sync was a bit of a nightmare, as he kept having to add and remove extra words every time he wanted to change a sentence.

===Errors===
* On page 53, Wind-Sheer incorrectly attributes Thunder-Clash's dialogue to Run-Over.

===Continuity notes===
* Characters mentioned but not depicted include: [[Ikard]], [[Longhorn]], [[Pyra Magna]], [[Triceradon (BM)|Triceradon]], [[Rollbar (RID)|Jeepers]], [[Mega-Octane|Mega-Dolrailer]], [[Armorhide (RID)|Dangar]], [[Wing Saber (BW)|Wing Saber]], [[Legend Convoy|Legend Majora]], [[Dragoyell]], [[Bantor (BW)|Bantor]], [[Solomus]], [[Dinobot (BW)|Dynobot]], [[Epistemus]], [[Adaptus]], [[Shutterbug]], [[Scourge (BW)|Skurge]], [[Seaspray (G1)|Seaspray]], [[Bigmos]], [[Refute (BW)|Refute]], [[Trip-Up]], [[Kingbolt (BW)|Kingbolt]], [[Snarl (BW)|Diablo]], [[Mortilus]], [[Depthcharge (BW)|Depthcharge]], [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]], [[Brimstone (G1 Decepticon)|Brim-Stone]], [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]], [[Scorponok (G1)|MegaZarak]], [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], [[Powerbomb]], [[Dropshot (G1)|Dropshot]], [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Diac]], [[Apex (BW)|Apex]], the original [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Nitrostreak]], [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]], and [[Maxima]].
* It's the finale, so every previous ''Uprising'' story gets a nod.
** The Vehicons were introduced in the previous story, the result of Galva Convoy's work from "[[Not All Megatrons]]".
** Hot Rod, his Micromaster underlings, and Big Grim himself return from "[[Micro-Aggressions]]".
** The kill order on Preditron was also established in "Safe Spaces", as was Preditron's friendship with Cheetor.
** Stiletto, Snapper, the Constructicons, and what's left of the ''[[Dinosaur (ship)|Dinosaur]]'' crew return from "[[Cultural Appropriation]]".
** Megatron, Scorponok, Terrorsaur, Wasp, Leatherhide, and Packrat return from "Not All Megatrons".
** Tarantulas returns from "[[Trigger Warnings]]".
** A nod is made to Dynobot and the dissident cell from "[[Alone Together: Prologue]]", the first nod to Chopperface and the gang in the text stories. Better late than never.
* In just the previous story, the Resistance were using the lobotomized body of Star Dasher as a transport. This story reveals the poor glitch wasn't the only unfortunate they've done this to.
* Eject's aide [[Zoom Out]] previously appeared in "Broken Windshields".
* Lio Minor (a renamed [[Lio Junior]]) previously appeared as a member of the yet-to-be-identified [[Maximal Command Security Force]] in "[[Perception]]".
* Queen Rage has been mentioned several times through the text stories, as having seized an entire city state for herself. We finally get to meet her.
* In the previous story's map, [[Praxus]] was misspelled as "Praxis". This story reconciles that "Praxus" is an older, traditional spelling which has somewhat fallen out of favor by the present timeframe.
* [[Scourge (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Scourge]] appeared in "Broken Windshields" with his name spelled in said manner although "[[A Brush With Infamy–Prologue]]" spelled [[Scourge (G1)|the original Scourge]]'s name the same way. It is revealed that ''Skurge'' likes to spell his name like the original, though some such as Queen Rage refuse to indulge his affectation.
* Scylla spoke with a stereotypical pirate speech pattern in "Broken Windshields", in keeping with her original characterization as a [[Seacon (BWII)|Seacon Space Pirate]]. This story therefore puts her in a high-ranking position in the Resistance's navy. Her high rank probably has something to do with the fact that she was part of the Resistance before Lio Convoy or Blackarachnia, as shown in "[[Broken Windshields]]"
* Ratbat derisively refers to Hot Rod as "Chosen One", much as Grimlock did back in "[[Micro-Aggressions]]".
* Hot Rod's Micromaster command team from "Micro-Aggressions" appears alongside him.
* Megatron and co. have managed to nab [[Klaws]], the last of the [[Monster GoBot|Antares Eight]] left from "Cultural Appropriation", who alone escaped from the Ex-Bots.
* Galvatron finally reveals the identity of "Triple-Threat Prime", and it is in fact Optimus himself. Galvatron also claims that Diac replaced Optimus's "mangled face", which ''could'' be a reference to the state of Optimus per "[[A Change to the Agenda]]"... or something else, since ol' Galvatron never actually specifies ''how'' Optimus' face got mangled... and he's not remembering all of it properly.
** This story identifies Diac as having been killed by Galvatron, explaining why he was the only member of the [[Optimus (faction)|Optimus]] not to be binary-bonded with Triple-Threat Prime in "[[A Brush With Infamy–Prologue]]" and why [[Overrun]] did not mention him in "Trigger Warnings".
* Galvatron's got an immunity to the Vehicon hordes because he owes his origin to the [[G-Virus]], as do the Vehicons themselves, since they're born from Galva Convoy, also created by mucking around with the original Galvatron's remains.
* Grimlock is mentioned to have been imprisoned in [[Ferromax Detention Center]], the same penal facility from which [[Dinobot (BW)|Dynobot]] was broken out of in "[[Alone Together: Prologue]]".
* Aura and Stiletto's not-so-joyous reunion brings up the events depicted in the flashbacks of "[[Burning Bridges]]", namely Stiletto being sent to [[Vampire|the mnemosurgeon]] on Aura's orders, along with [[Wolfang (Predacon)|Wolfang]]'s nature and death from "Trigger Warnings".
* Lord Imperious Delirious turns out to be the mastermind behind the Vehicons, the autonomous mechanical lifeforms which remove the spark of any Cybertronian they come across. He previously expressed distaste with Cybertronian life, and a desire to remove the spark of every single on of them back in "Intersectionality", during which he was revealed to have survived the destruction of his body as an electronic being. "Not All Megatrons" showed that someone was influencing Galva Convoy's meditations, and "Cultural Appropriation" revealed that a "unique digital entity" was frustrated that they had failed to trigger a Terran-born apocalypse on Cybertron with the Antares Eight's plot.
* The Uprising ends with the Builder hegemony swept away, and the birth of the Cybertronian Parliament, just as the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]] said it would back in "Cultural Appropriation".
* The epilogue identifies Artemis, where Thunderwing was said to have found the Underbase back in "Not All Megatrons", as an alternate name for [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]], with [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]] and [[Moonbase 3|Luna 3]] receiving the names "Hecate" and "Selene".
* "[[Head Games]]" characterized [[Triax]] as a port city, though the map included in "[[Safe Spaces]]" did not put it on a river or sea. In "Derailment" it is characterized as a spaceport.

===Transformers references===
* The ''Uprising'' iteration of Big Convoy is named Slammoth, one of the unused possible names for [[Victorion]] in the [[Fan polls|Fan Built Bot]] program. Sorenson had previously intimated in an online Q&A that he would utilize the name for ''Uprising'' Big Convoy.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/133737-beast-wars-uprising-ama/?p=3360200 Post by Jim S on The Allspark Forums, 2016/10/15]</ref>
* Buzz Saw's pre-beast vehicle mode is a helicopter, a [[repurposing]] of [[Buzzsaw (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' namesake]]'s toy.
* Magna Stampede identifies himself as the great-nephew of [[Pyra Magna]], much like how Rattrap [[Transmutate (episode)|once referred]] to [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] as his great-aunt. Later on, Hydraulic identifies Trailcutter as his great-uncle.
* Stockade, a G1-import of [[Stockade (Universe 2008)|the 2008 ''Universe'' Mini-Con]] who has since taken her namesake's beast form, is partially converted into a tank drone, becoming the [[Stockade (Universe 2003)|2003 ''Universe'' version of Stockade]].
* The ''Uprising'' version of Steel Jaw leads the [[Pack]], much as [[Steeljaw (RID)|his ''Robots in Disguise'' counterpart]] led another [[Steeljaw's Pack|pack]].
* Airazor appears in her [[Airazor (BW)#TM1|Transmetal body]], following the trend of [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] and [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] also using the designs of Transmetal toys in the ''Uprising'' continuity.
* Several characters throughout the story swear by members of the [[Guiding Hand]].
* The [[Dark Skies Patrol]] comprises four G1 imports of ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' Decepticon partner [[Mini-Con]]s.
* The [[Deep Sea Patrol]] comprises [[Deepdive (BW)|a G1 version]] of [[Deepdive (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Deepdive]] and that mold's three redecoes.
* This story introduces Tigatron and Airazor to the mix, the two having been the only main cast members of ''Beast Wars'' not to have appeared previously in ''Uprising''.
* Cheetor and Tigatron call one another "big cat" and "little cat" respectively, as their counterparts in the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon did.
* Queen Rage's majordomo is [[Flytrap]], a character based on an unused concept for a {{w|triffid}}-based Transformer from the ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha Series]]''. Her general Manticon is the {{w|manticore}} design, leaving Rage as the third design, a jellyfish (since her original incarnation was, you guessed it, a jellyfish).
* Goldbug communicates entirely through music clips after his voice box was damaged, just like a more famous [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]].
* Quillfire being a member of the Resistance is especially fitting as [[Quillfire (RID)|his original ''Robots in Disguise'' counterpart]] was also an anti-government revolutionary/terrorist.
* [[Tidal Wave (G1)|Tidal Wave]] is a mode-locked Builder repurposed as a naval flagship, similarly to his non-sentient ''[[Transformers: Wings Universe|Wings Universe]]'' counterpart, ship of the [[Star Seeker]]s, and IDW counterpart, base of [[Mayhem Attack Squad|Mayhem]].
* Banzai-Tron being the head of the Builder navy references [[Banzai-Tron (G1)#Timelines|his BotCon 2009 toy]], with a gunboat alt-mode.
* Hydraulic implies Trailcutter was taken to pieces by the Decepticons, calling to mind [[Trailbreaker (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|his IDW comics counterpart]], who was violently disassembled by [[Kaon (DJD)|Kaon]] and [[Vos (DJD)|Vos]].
* As he confronts the Builder Assembly, Lio Convoy punctuates his terms for surrender by solemnly *doink*ing his staff on the floor. "*Doink*" enjoyed a short-lived run as a meme in the [[fandom]] after 2016's ''[[Transformers: Combiner Wars (cartoon)|Combiner Wars]]'' cartoon, based on the poorly edited SFX of the [[Mistress of Flame]]'s hammer.
* Shatterpoint observes that he never expected the Grand Uprising to end with a "giant floating head, screaming like a banshee, firing laser beams everywhere" in reference to the bizarre and widely mocked [[Darkest Hour (CW)|penultimate episode]] of ''[[Transformers: Combiner Wars (cartoon)|Combiner Wars]]'', which saw [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] transform into... well, a giant floating head, after absorbing the [[Enigma of Combination]].
* Ratbat winds up getting turned into a [[Copter Drone|copter drone]] by the Vehicons.
* Leatherhide's mad science has now produced such things as the mighty [[Fuzor]]s and [[Horrorcon (Universe)|Horrorcon]]s.
* Proving some things just don't ever change, Wasp is "picked" as the [[guinea pigatron]] for Leatherhide and Labrat's little experiment. His just narrowly avoiding becoming a Vehicon himself is a nod to his time as Thrust during ''Beast Machines'', and his new body is based on his ''Timelines'' "[[Waspinator (BW)/toys#Timelines|Thrustinator]]" toy.
* Fever Dream [[Repurposing|repurposes]] the [[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Platinum|''Platinum Edition'' Blitzwing toy]], much as Star Dasher is a repurposing of that toy's package-mate [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Platinum|Astrotrain]].
* Rook's association with [[Andromeda (G1)|Andromeda]] and [[Aston (BW)|Aston]] references the working relationship of [[Rook (TransTech)|their]] [[Andromeda (TransTech)|counterparts]] [[Aston (TransTech)|from]] Fun Publications' [[Axiom Nexus News]] [[Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News Reporter|Facebook]] [[Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|pages]].
* Dark Scream is friends with Sky-Byte, referencing their close association from the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 cartoon)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]].
* Black-Out having a helicopter alt-mode comes from [[Blackout (Movie)|live-action movie counterpart]] while his ability to generate EMPs comes from [[Blackout (Animated)|his ''Animated'' counterpart]]. Coincidentally, another G1-import of movie Blackout also debuted a week before this story in [[New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|''Optimus Prime'' #1]].
* Lio Convoy's team breach the Grand Mal by flying Black-Out right into the floating fortress's left eye socket, recalling the Autobot attack on [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] in [[The Transformers: The Movie|the 1986 movie]].
* Razorbeast states that he will not disobey direct orders, a quality of his taken directly from his original toy [[bio]]. He uses a "scut gun" to put down the Vehicon-infected Apexus, a weapon attributed to Razorbeast in his ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' entry. Razorbeast's mercy-killing of Apexus could also be looked upon as an ironic mirror to his own [[The Ascending issue 4|ultimate fate]] in the [[Beast Wars timeline (IDW)|IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics]].
* Lord Imperious Delirious being a product of [[Gorlam Prime]]'s civilization harkens back to its appearance in the IDW universe, where its inhabitants had begun to augment themselves with cybernetic technology.
* Know that [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razor-Claw]] appears, using a speaking pattern based on his memorable speech from "[[Abduction]]".
* The epilogue notes that Optimal, one of the Maximals in the newly-formed Parliament, is an "enormous" orange-and-blue quad changer, i.e. someone with Optimus Primal's "[[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#OptimalOptimus|Optimal Optimus]]" form.
* Antagony and Cataclysm fought to be Shokaract's chief bot in [[Reaching the Omega Point|the 1999 BotCon fiction]].
* The unnamed head (tee hee) of the Maximal Academy who joined the High Council is [[Under-3|Lionhead]], a Happy Meal toy from the original ''Beast Wars'' toyline, taking his Japanese name. As "Unit-3", he was a previous member of the Council's Magnaboss combination in the [[BotCon 2016]] story "[[Dawn of the Predacus]]". A sideways reference to him is made when Cheetor rejected council membership, and Tigatron said there were "under three" candidates left.
* Shadow Panther appears as a member of the [[Predacon Secret Police]], with the mention of persistent rumors suggesting he's a Builder rebuilt into a Predacon body. [[Ravage (G1)|Pfft!]] [[The Agenda (Part 1)|What a foolish idea.]] Stranger still is the competing theory that his spark has somehow been created or altered by aliens. [[Primeval Dawn|Madness!]]
* Movor's body is based on the [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#CombinerWars|''Combiner Wars'' Shockwave]] mold.
* [[Buckethead]] has taken over as leader of the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], supplanting [[Hightower (RID)|Hightower]]. The [[Devastator (G1)#Universe(2003)|Micromaster Devastator]] toy had Buckethead form its upper torso - the component traditionally formed by [[Hook (G1)|Hook]], another crane. This may be coincidence.

===Real-world references===
* The title refers to the psychiatric concept of {{w|Derailment (thought disorder)|derailment}}, a thought disorder associated with conversation that slips between unrelated, or barely related, ideas. It's also used as another way of saying lateral thinking and sometimes used to mean wandering off from the original idea. The story has lightly related events and scenes and, by the end of it, many characters have strayed far from what they originally set out to do.
* The titles of the parts of this story utilize rivers of the {{w|Greek underworld|Underworld in Greek mythology}}.
* Blackarachnia refers to Lio Convoy first as {{w|Aslan}}, {{w|List of characters in The Lion King#Mufasa|Mufasa}}, and {{w|List of Kimba the White Lion characters|Panja}}, all of whom are also slagging big lions.
** In a similar vein, she calls him her "{{w|Nemean lion|Nemean warrior}}".
* "Vehicon General Order 66" is a reference to [[wikia:starwars:Order 66/Legends|Order 66]] from ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'', both of them being contingency measures.
* Stiletto nicknames Tarantulas "webhead", which is a frequent moniker of [[Spider-Man]]'s.
* Run-Over speaks entirely in quotes from ''{{w|The Simpsons}}'', which the narration notes ran for several thousand episodes (in real life at the time this story was released, the show clocked in at 606 episodes).
** "Go out on a Tuesday? Who am I, Charlie Sheen?" is from "{{w|Moms I'd Like to Forget}}".
** "You know what I blame this on the breakdown of? Society." was spoken by Moe in "{{w|Miracle on Evergreen Terrace}}".
** "I call the big one 'Bitey'" is from "{{w|Marge vs. The Monorail}}".
** "Take that, Dick Tracy!" was shouted by a young Ned Flanders in "{{w|Hurricane Neddy}}".
** "Why you little—" is from too many episodes to name, but (of course) usually signifies that Homer is about to strangle Bart.
** "I bent my Wookiee" laments Run-Over, quoting Ralph Wiggum from "{{w|Lisa's Rival}}".
* Voice of Maximals is named for the U.S. white propaganda service {{w|Voice of America}}, just as [[Radio Free Cybertron]] has long been named for its sister service {{w|Radio Free Europe}}.
* The Yuss coastal cannons may be based on the book and film ''{{w|The Guns of Navarone (novel)|The Guns of Navarone}}'', in which coastal batteries threaten Allied positions, and which is based on real such guns in the {{w|Battle of Leros}}.
* Since Goldbug can only communicate verbally through audio clips, he ends up referencing a few Earth songs.
** "This is what we've waited for, this is it, boys, this is war!" comes from "{{w|99 Red Balloons}}" by the German band {{w|Nena}}.
** "Run to the hills" is a reference to "{{w|Run to the Hills}}" by [[Iron Maiden]].
** "You can't always get what you want", sung by [[Mick Jagger]], comes from the "{{w|You Can't Always Get What You Want}}" by {{w|The Rolling Stones}}.
** "Don't fear the reaper" is from "{{w|(Don't Fear) The Reaper}}" by the {{w|Blue Oyster Cult}}.
* Springload's serial number, AC5000487105, is also the serial number of [[wikia:westworld:Maeve Millay|Maeve]] in HBO's {{w|Westworld (TV series)|Westworld}}
* Bisk's new [[beast mode]] is referred to as a "rock-lob," which is surely a reference to "{{w|Rock Lobster}}" by {{w|the B-52's}}.
* Ram Horn borrows elements of populist right-wing politicians from 2016: jabs at experts and how we're tired of them, after a similar line by British MP {{w|Michael Gove}}; is prone to aggressive and seemingly daft outbursts and decisions which may be intentional to wrongfoot people or may just be him, reflecting dual views on U.S. President {{w|Donald Trump}}.
* The Ex-Bots repaint a Sweep into the black and yellow-striped "Ex-Jet", referencing the {{w|Blackbird (comics)|X-Jet}} from [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]]'s {{w|X-Men}}.
* Dante the Cyberdroid is forced into a job on his day off, complaining all the while how he's "not supposed to be [here] today," just like Dante the human in ''{{w|Clerks}}''.
* During his spiel on the Ex-Jet's weapons, Bazooka quotes Sergeant Hicks of ''{{w|Alien (franchise)|Alien}}'' fame, namely his boast that they have "knives, they got sharp sticks."
* Riker quotes the familiar Vietnam War era phrase, "We had to destroy the village in order to save it" to chastise Lio Convoy's plan to destroy Cybertron to thwart the Vehicon threat.
* As mentioned above, Cybertron's moons are given the names Hecate, Artemis, and Selene, who in Ancient Greece were moon goddesses.
* The idea of the Resistance forming a shining example of related states harkens to the idea of the early [[United States of America]] being called the 'shining city on the hill'. The idea of the Parliament deliberately struggling to get a supermajority similarly harkens to the United States Congress, deliberately set up to force compromise. (That's worked well!)
* Wind-Sheer and Shatterpoint discuss "Unicron Truthers", a Cybertronian equivalent of the "Truther Movement", people who believe the destruction of the World Trade Center on the 11th September 2001 was not what the official reports say, concocting any number of reasons to "prove" their viewpoint.
* The bar [[Chalmun's]] is a reference to a [[Chewbacca|Wookiee]] [[wikia:starwars:Chalmun/Legends|bartender]] from ''Star Wars''.

===Other trivia===
*The other Predacon present with Beetle and CatSCAN is not identified in the text, but [[Jesse Wittenrich]] clarified that he intended it to be [[Insecticon (BW)|Insecticon]].<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/135675-bwu-derailment-is-up/?p=3409209 Post by NightViper on The Allspark Forums, 2016/12/29]</ref>
*Sky-Dive was originally intended to be part of Magna Stampede, Stockade, and Soundbite's squad before being given his role as the commander of his own unit. [[Striker]] was also intended to be a member of that squad, but his lines were cut for story pacing reasons.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/135675-bwu-derailment-is-up/?p=3408582 Post by NightViper on The Allspark Forums, 2016/12/28]</ref>
*The ICS newscasters were almost replaced with original characters, including one named "Sidebar", but the short production schedule did not allow for full consideration of this decision.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/135675-bwu-derailment-is-up/?p=3408997 Post by Jim S on The Allspark Forums, 2016/12/28]</ref>
*While "Derailment" follows the standard structure of an ''Uprising'' prose story - chunks of Cybertronix serving as section breaks - it is further divided into five parts (consisting of 14, 44, 14, 44 and 13 sections respectively, totalling 129 sections across 179 pages). Despite being told entirely in the third person, each section can be said to have a "point-of-view" character whose thoughts we are privy to - and with only a couple of exceptions, a section break indicates a jump to another POV character. Nineteen sections actually end with the death of their POV character. A full breakdown of how many sections each of the fifty-four POV characters received follows:

**19: Lio Convoy
**8: Scylla
**7: Cheetor
**5: Snapper, Dark Scream, Blackarachnia
**4: Rage, Banzai-Tron
**3: Eject, Stiletto, Ser-Ket, Ram Horn, Magmatron, Magnaboss
**2: Magna Stampede, Steel Jaw, Erector, Wind-Sheer, Diveplane, Hot Rod, Knock-Out, Flak, Megatron, B'Boom, Preditron, Crazybolt, Rampage
**1: Buzz Saw, Movor, Twinstrike, Tigatron, Sunstorm, Draft, Mantis, Sky High, Goldbug, Break, Katilla, Flattop, Ramulus, Hydraulic, Sky-Dive, Longtooth, Dante, Psycho-Orb, Fever Dream, Galvatron, Bisk, Aura, Bazooka, Razorbeast, Ro-Tor, Lord Imperious Delirious, Razor-Claw

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://transformersclub.com/prose/Beast%20Wars%20Uprising%20Finale%20-%20Derailment.pdf "Derailment"] at The Official Transformers Collectors' Club

[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising media]]
[[Category:Text stories]]
[[Category:Timelines media]]

Talk:Gabu (Prime)

2019-11-14T21:30:11Z

KrytenKoro: Created page with "Gob or Gabu?~~~~"

Gob or Gabu?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 16:30, 14 November 2019 (EST)

Talk:Hightower (ROTF)

2019-10-15T14:50:51Z

KrytenKoro:

[[User:Eire|Eire]] has edited that Hightower was the one who was cannibalized for Megatron's revival. Can anybody confirm this? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:51, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:A little help here? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:54, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::Finally. Took you long enough. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:25, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::: Is that how he looks in the movie? I thought it was a more standard-limbed robot that was attacked to revive Megs.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 23:11, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Looked like Scrapper to me. And yes, I realize that Scrapper is also in the Egypt scenes later. Maybe it's a Constructicon Scout from the games? [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:16, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Who appears later is irrelevant, since there's about 3 of every Constructicon in the movie. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:19, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Happened so fast, couldn't get a good look at the guy.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 23:22, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::His silhouette looked like Scrapper's to me. Long, skinny legs. Humanoid. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:30, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

==Confirmation!==
Confirmed by Kris Carter, who did coloring work for the Movie comic. He has no designed robot mode! The Legends figure is improvisation! http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/250662-image-rotf-constructicons-robot-size-comparison-6.html#post3894346 [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 08:06, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
::Even though the concept art with the T-Rex arms and the legends class toy are coincidence(?), maybe we should use that picture as the character depiction, instead of the unused concept art? [[User:MadmanFoidart|MadmanFoidart]] Jan 8th 2010
:::Well, no, because it's a teeny weenie photograph of the concept art itself. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:16, 8 January 2010 (EST)
:::Goes well in the trivia section, though. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:22, 8 January 2010 (EST)
::::Revisiting this, now that the images have been switched, the trivia note as written doesn't make as much sense. Needs a rewrite.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 10:50, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

== He's a Decepticon, isn't he? ==
That is pretty wild speculation that he is a normal crane appropriated to replace [[Scrapmetal (ROTF)|Scrapmetal]]. He is a Decepticon in the toys and in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe]]''. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:23, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

I agree, that was an exxageration, but at the same time he has no robot mode designed. The Legends toy is just improvisation on Hastak's part. Infact, I'm going to add that to the Trivia section. [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 09:56, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Abominus (Prime)

2019-09-10T17:35:38Z

KrytenKoro: /* Kre-O */ new section

==Toys==
I'm guessing we don't cover the non-translucent Abominus because it isn't called out in the various figures' instructions. Is this correct?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:47, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
:Of course we cover it. Just cause it isn't on the instructions doesn't mean we don't cover it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 18:50, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
:Citation needed. What non-translucent Abominus? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:08, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
::The one that the individual "Terrorcons" combine into. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 20:14, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
:::Citation needed. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:15, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
::::I just said what it is. I know what I'm talking about. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 20:17, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
::::Starfield, knock it the fuck off. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:18, 6 June 2013 (EDT)
:Actually, considering that in addition to the non-candy color scheme, we also have Divebomb, Cindersaur, Rot Gut, and Blot-Blight, should we just mention that all other uses of the Legion molds can also combine into Abominuses, with the addition of Goradora being a legit recolor? (Oy...I almost want to buy all versions of each mold, considering how cheap they are.)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 12:15, 10 July 2013 (EDT)
::That was never done for the G1 Combiner pages (which included G2 toys despite the lack of a giftset), and I wouldn't start on that now. We should only mention Goradora as he's the total repaint, and the pages of his individual components should cover their repaints. I'm actually waiting for repaints of Twinstrike and Hun-Gurr, if there are any planned. [[User:JelZe GoldRabbit|JelZe GoldRabbit]] 13:12, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
:I assume the G2 toys actually called out the combiner in their instructions, though. The difference here is that the non-giftset components are being released ''first'', with no indication beyond fan knowledge that they can or are designed to combine. Then, you also have repaints of individual members.
:I totally agree that the giftset and Go! repaint should be mentioned with the same method as on other combiner pages, but surely the non-explicitly combiner components should recieve some consideration too? I mean, let's look at movie Arcee, for example.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:45, 11 July 2013 (EDT)
::The wiki's goal is to provide information, right? And Abominus was officially called out in a sense in that promotional booklet, with the eye on the individually sold components (there's your "Citation Needed"), and he was engineered to combine from the start. And as noted on top of this page we do acknowledge undocumented features. That's reason enough for me to include the regular ones on this page, with the note that the Instructions never mention the combination at all. As for Blight (repaint), Rot Gut, Divebomb and Cindersaur, the individual Predacon pages should suffice in covering them until Hasbro decides to release two more new character repaints with a new combiner name. Oye... [[User:JelZe GoldRabbit|JelZe GoldRabbit]] 09:10, 12 July 2013 (EDT)
:::Small correction, we were told from the beginning that this group would be sold as both individual transformers, and the combined giftset (the PR one featured on the page).[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:45, 12 July 2013 (EDT)
::::The separately sold figures should be mentioned here in the same way that the separately sold G2 Combaticons are listed on the [[Bruticus (G1)#Generation 2|G1 Bruticus]] page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:06, 12 July 2013 (EDT)
Yeeeahhh....I think we should list him anyway, because if we didn't, it wouldn't be complete. Just cause the instructions don't have it doesn't mean we don't documeant it.
Also, hell no to putting the repaints on here. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 17:29, 29 July 2013 (EDT)
==Spare image==
[[File:Abominus BHguidebook.jpg|thumb|210px]]

== Kre-O ==

The Kre-O page links here, but there's no section here. Is this the correct target?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:35, 10 September 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Breast Animal

2019-08-26T19:08:18Z

KrytenKoro: Created page with "Is this a type of Minicon/Master/Cyberdroid thing?~~~~"

Is this a type of Minicon/Master/Cyberdroid thing?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 15:08, 26 August 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Human

2019-08-15T17:46:43Z

KrytenKoro: /* Toys and merch */ new section

[[File:Tfride-human techspec.jpg|thumb|This goes somewhere, but not at the top. Going here for now.]]

This may be one of the best entries on the whole damn wiki.--[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 17:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
:May? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 21:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

There may be better, but I've not seen it. So may. yeah.
Wanna make something of it? Don't make me go all jihad on you.--[[User:82.41.82.183|82.41.82.183]] 10:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Should that Featured tag be taken out? Looking at the last two edit summaries leaves me to wonder about how articles actually get to be Featured. (Speaking of things that are Featured, [[Furg|this article]] really should be.) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 05:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

::I don't think this article should be featured, at least, not until we've actually come to something of a consensus on the matter. I don't think the article really has the length or breadth of info that a featured article really needs. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Religion ==

Is this:

<blockquote>Despite having no concrete evidence these beings exist, and despite the records of the Beast Wars affirming their evolution from bipedal primates, the humans continue to assume these premises are true. This seems like a waste of spent attention, especially with such short lifespans, as no credible sources have substantiated that their alleged creator has ever transformed out of their world into a giant humanoid and fought its eternal enemy before their eyes. While some humans accept that they evolved from bipedal primates, there are others who maintain the divine intervention theory with a zeal that leads one to wonder if they are malfunctioning. Though some have contended that the two theories are mutually exclusive, many seem to fall in a categorization that somehow accepts both. Many human traditions are puzzling.</blockquote>

Actually the attitude presented in fiction? If not, it does come off as as an unfair dig. I mean, I realize that this is a humor wiki, and "transformed out of their world into a giant humanoid and fought its eternal enemy before their eyes" is pretty funny - but the paragraph reads as more malicious than humorous on the whole.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:46, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
:I concur. I was actually coming to the talk page to post about exactly this. If this is based on an official attitude within the fiction, then cite the sources. If not, I think it needs to be rewritten. --[[User:Loudstone|Loudstone]] 14:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

::I agree with both KrytenKoro and Loudstone. Unless the authors have concrete evidence that the entire universe that the Transformers and humans exist in created itself from nothing (concluding documenting how life coming from non-life - AKA Abiogenesis), then the attacks on a supernatural creator and the religious beliefs of human beings are without warrant, and bias and ignorance of the writer's personal opinions, with absolutely nothing to do with any official Transformers canon. Alleged pre-human primates seen in 'Beast Wars' do not debunk the possibility of a supernatural creator or qualify the Transformers brand as being anti-religion, nor make a statement on the origins of the universe. The apparent atheistic or agnostic stance of the author would also fall under the category of a religious belief (one of anti-religious, also lacking emprirical evidence) that would also not be immune to the same criticism. It's safe to say this should be removed, unless the author has empirical evidence that proves that a supernatural God does not exist and the millions of humans who believe in a creator God (or Gods), supernatural happenings, and spirit/soul afterlife are all wrong and that the Transformers brand agrees with the sentiment of the author. In fact, with the Masterforce series and beyond, the Japanese Transformer cartoons touched upon supernatural beings and supernatural powers of Transformers unlocked by human spirits or souls. It is best to remove this erroneous thought process and biased opinion (that is, face it, intended to troll theists) from the wiki. How many millions of people from various religions do you want to offend? --[[User:Chrusher|Chrusher]] ([[User talk:Chrusher|talk]]) 03:01, 4 March 2015 (EST)
::: Firstly, you are agreeing with responses written six years ago which were written in regard to a version of the page which no longer exists. As it is now, it's a pretty thoroughly-sourced section, and also it's obviously poking fun at how all of Transformers' religious elements are very visible and tangible and verifiable, while in the real world ours are very not. You are necromancing a dealt-with discussion. Secondly, it is super dumb to demand we prove god doesn't exist so that our wiki can say this. That's some high school debate team shit. And thirdly, I do not care if we offend "millions of people from various religions." And if they are offended by a fucking paragraph on a wiki for a toyline about 9-million-year-old warring robots from space which at worst says there is no evidence that a god exists, then they maybe need to be a little more secure in their fucking beliefs. They can laugh at us while we burn in Hell. They will survive, somehow, until then.
:::tl;dr: i pay for this website to exist so please understand you are wasting your time --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 03:46, 4 March 2015 (EST)

== No Humans ==

Should a page be made on whether or not humans should be in Transformers?

:No. This is not a site for essays on children's cartoons. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:59, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
::I'd be in favor of it if the only text on the page were "Yes," with a reference tag that leads to a footnote that reads "Except if it's Beast Machines." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:24, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

==I actually like==
Teletraan 1 version of the human page better I mean I don't like the religion part but the way the page utterly insults us is funny.

== Some non-humor but canon-relevant stuff ==

All joking aside, this page should definitely mention [[Jinchōkon]], the need for humans for [[Fortress Maximus (RID)]], and that, in ''Prime'', humans are informally considered the "progeny of Unicron".[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 12:18, 13 December 2011 (EST)
:Well, I haven't actually had a chance to watch RID or the Godmasters one, so I wouldn't be able to write about those, but I guess I'll go ahead and find somewhere to put the Unicron bit.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 13:22, 14 December 2011 (EST)

== Revolution and stuff ==

Now that the, uh, non-Transformers end of the IDW universe has been expanded, are there more things we might know about humans-the-species? I haven't been paying attention to a lot of the non-GIJoe stuff, and those peeps are all regularish army folks (and army folk/alien hybrids). --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:05, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:Other than "they can breed with and be possessed by Dire Wraiths" and "they're very good at jumping to conclusions", I don't think so? Rom describes himself pre-armor as "human", but that's definitely metaphor. Dude had gills. (There's also the fact that the dominant species of Microspace are identical to scaled-down humans, but don't know what a "human" is.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 04:13, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

== Toys and merch ==

Shouldn't this page have some coverage or links to the various toys of human figures throughout the franchise? A lot of people don't believe they exist, despite the existence of Kicker or Human Alliance.

Talk:Dire Wraith

2019-06-28T14:37:45Z

KrytenKoro: /* Final caption */ new section

So given what happened at the end of Revolution #1, I feel it's important to ask: Because the reveals of who the Dire Wraiths have replaced happened in comics that didn't have any actual Transformers in them, should adding that info to the Fiction section wait until it's revealed in the crossover (or one of the TF tie-ins), or is the info itself fair game? --[[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 17:10, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
:I would wait till the event is over before deciding if we need to refer to extra-''Transformers'' material to make sense of the story. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:47, 21 September 2016 (EDT)
::I meant moreso saying something like "Having discovered that Joe Colton had been replaced with a Dire Wraith, Rom flew to Portland..." on Rom's fiction section, or "Shortly after Rom arrived on Earth, G.I. Joe agent Countdown was replaced by a Dire Wraith..." on this page. After all, it's not like its a mystery that we'd be spoiling since the other books clearly show what happened (which our own pages for issue #0 and #1 mention). But because those haven't actually been revealed in the pages of anything that actually contains Transformers, I wasn't sure if it fell within our purview or not for the fiction sections. --[[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 20:54, 21 September 2016 (EDT)

Also (and we'll definitely need to wait and see how things play out on this one), but I think it'd be fun to make a "Replaced by Dire Wraith" Category for the characters. Obviously at this point the only ones to get that would be 5 G.I. Joes, but it's something to consider. --[[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 23:31, 21 September 2016 (EDT)

== Final caption ==

Still kind of a problem.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 10:37, 28 June 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Skipjack (ROTF)

2019-05-07T00:31:45Z

KrytenKoro:

Is this toy a Japanese-only release (at least according to current info)? If yes, the article gives the incorrect impression that it's an upcoming US release.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:33, 10 November 2010 (EST)--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:33, 10 November 2010 (EST)
:According to the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)]] page you are right. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:15, 10 November 2010 (EST)
::The image has the name for Rampage. What gives?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 20:31, 6 May 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers Collectors' Club

2019-05-06T00:18:30Z

KrytenKoro: /* Issues, collections, etc. */ new section

Umm...
maybe somebody should, ya know, clean up a little bit of mess.
Or am I missing a joke?
: I don't know what the joke is either, but anything involving Dr. Biggles-Jones boobies can't be that bad.
: (We should fix this page.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:: I don't get this at all. But this page must be preserved for... something. --[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Would it be worth putting a list up of all the club mini-con bios? I'd be interested in seeing that, personally. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 02:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
: That's gonna ultimately be a big, big list. Might be better as its own page, I dunno. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::"Transformers Collectors' Club exclusives"? You could throw in stuff like "The Razor's Edge" and the combiner toys. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

==Pages for issues?==
So I'd been thinking that really, we should probably have individual pages for each issue of the magazine/newsletter, taking the comic pages we've already got but including a brief go-over of the contents of the rest of the issue. One question is, though, how to title them... 
*The pre-redesign issues: "Transformers Collectors' Club Newsletter April/May 2005" and the like?
*The 2007 design: [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 16]] etc?
I'll throw together something for each above example because why not... then more can be added if everything is cool. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
:Looks good. I'm assuming that we're still observing the "post an issue after the NEXT one comes out" idea that applies to club comic stories.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 22:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== "Club-original characters" category ==

"Club-original characters" and "convention-original characters" might make good categories. They would be for characters who first appeared as a club/convention exclusive toy or in club/convention fiction. Anyone agree/disagree? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 01:05, 17 December 2010 (EST)
:You have my support. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:14, 17 December 2010 (EST)
::I noticed the other category is "[[:Category:Fan Club exclusives|Fan Club exclusives]]" so I'm thinking it should be "Fan Club-original characters" instead. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:35, 23 February 2011 (EST)

== Officially endorsed? ==

The TFCC isn't just endorsed by Hasbro, it's licensed by them. You can endorse a non-official product-- Derrick J. Wyatt ''endorsed'' the fan-made Autoscout toys as badass and a cool addition to your classic Soundwave reissue... but he didn't... whatever-you-call-it, making them official.

(I forget what the right word is, but it's different.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:21, 29 January 2011 (EST)

== A section about the Credit Card fraud incident? ==

This is a big deal to those not only in the Club, but who have ever been in it or might join it, maybe we should make a section on the TFCC page on the incident with all the known info and reactions?

[[Special:Contributions/70.75.131.81|70.75.131.81]] 00:56, 6 March 2012 (EST)
: I figure this should be a thing that exists, yes, in some capacity. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:58, 6 March 2012 (EST)
: I addressed it on the [[Fun Publications]] page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:13, 6 March 2012 (EST)

== Club Fiction ==

Anyone know where I can find the TFCC fiction? Ever since the site update, it's disappeared. --[[Special:Contributions/75.82.9.197|75.82.9.197]] 20:01, 2 August 2012 (EDT)
: Until the site puts the fiction back, there is no place to find it, sadly. Send some emails, I'd say. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:01, 2 August 2012 (EDT)

== Issues, collections, etc. ==

Is there any method to still get access to the fiction in the club magazines? Are there online copies, scans, anything still in circulation?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 20:18, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

Talk:John Deere

2018-11-05T17:41:19Z

KrytenKoro: Created page with "[http://creative.acbusinessmedia.com/ET/2015/misc/Transformation/TransformationInteractive/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3I8ktL6EJquGR7vIwiElrSiY-94RBAMeXu-N5QNFeE2D5u7ihip3S6KM4 Woul..."

[http://creative.acbusinessmedia.com/ET/2015/misc/Transformation/TransformationInteractive/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3I8ktL6EJquGR7vIwiElrSiY-94RBAMeXu-N5QNFeE2D5u7ihip3S6KM4 Would this be relevant to the wiki]?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 12:41, 5 November 2018 (EST)

Windblade (G1)

2018-09-13T16:43:58Z

KrytenKoro:

{{disambig3|Windblade}}
{{factions|autobot}}
:''Windblade is a [[Caminus|Camien]] [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Revolution5-Windbladeprofile.jpg|thumb|upright=1.55|YOU MAAAAAAAAADE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!]]

'''Windblade''' is a young [[Transformer]] who puts duty and truth first, even when both are difficult. Her friend and bodyguard [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] can get frustrated at times with the strength of Windblade's convictions, and Chromia believes Windblade trusts too much. This may not be a worldview that can survive sharing a planet with [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]], and she may learn that at times she will have to choose between truth or duty.

Windblade is a better-than-average swordswoman, but her claim to fame is her rare talent for communicating with dormant [[Titan (IDW)|Titans]], for which she bears the title of [[Cityspeaker]]. Like other Cityspeakers, her face bears the markings of [[Caminus]].

{{quote|I am a child of the Titan '''Caminus'''. I am the cityspeaker for the last city on '''Cybertron'''. And '''both''' are my home. I have only '''begun''' to fight.|Windblade|[[Windblade issue 4|''Windblade'' vol. 1 #4]]}}

==Fiction==
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #26]]
{{ongoing}}

====Caminus====
[[File:Windblade4-leavingCaminus.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67|Caminus's Angels]]

Windblade was a Transformer who hailed from the planet Caminus, born from the [[hot spot]] within the Titan Caminus who colonized the world and for whom it became named. As on the other Titan colonies and unlike on Cybertron, the citizens of Caminus maintained gender dimorphism, with Windblade being female. Windblade had been eager to become a cityspeaker so as to aid Caminus in any way she could and threw herself into her work even when other told her to hold herself back. {{storylink|If I Know You}} She was friends with [[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] and [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]], and sometimes discussed science and engineering with the latter. {{storylink|An Axe to Break the Ice}}

Long cut off from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Caminus' isolation ended with the arrival of [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]]; Windblade, her bodyguard [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]], and quantum engineer [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] joined his crew in hopes of reconnecting with their homeworld and gaining aid for their ailing planet. {{storylink|A 'Bot and Her City}} Secretly however, Windblade wondered if she'd been chosen for the mission so Caminus could be rid of her and swore not to fail at the daunting task ahead of her. {{storylink|If I Know You}} {{storylink|The Chosen One}} Days after their joining Thunderclash's crew, his ship the ''[[Vis Vitalis]]'' came across the Autobot sage [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], who informed them that his longstanding partner, the Titan [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], was grievously wounded and required help. With Trion unable to help due to a quest that otherwise occupied him, and Thunderclash unwell, Windblade and her friends boarded a fast shuttlecraft and sped to the ocean world of [[Hydrophena]], where Metroplex was currently in hiding as an [[alchemical virus]] ravaged his body. The trio set themselves up inside his body, and began attempting to repair him. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}}

[[File:BurningBright-Windblade.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|''They're Windblade and the brain Yes, Windblade and the brain One is an organ The other's fan-made!'']]

After some time, Windblade's group was found by a team of Autobots from the ''[[Lost Light]]'', who had been summoned there through complicated means by Metroplex himself. Using their ship's engines, they were able to give Metroplex's [[spark]] a jump-start, giving him the strength to [[space bridge]] back to Cybertron, where a battle between its inhabitants and the [[Necrotitan]] was taking place. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} Though surprised by the sight of another Titan, Windblade and the other Autobots refused to abandon Metroplex's body; presently, [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] returned Metroplex's severed thumb, laden with the transmutative [[Ore-7]], to him, healing him allowing him to defeat the Necrotitan. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}} Following the battle, Windblade asked Metroplex about the ore's origins, and he explained that he had picked it up during his travels and jettisoned it when he was attacked by [[Ammonite]]s. Windblade related her findings to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]], but was unable to coax any information out of Metroplex that would help Magnus and the rest of the ''Lost Light'' crew in their search for the [[Knights of Cybertron]]. {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} Not long afterwards, Ammonites began to swarm Cybertron, forcing Magnus to radio Windblade to ask Metroplex for aid. The titan needed no encouragement, and began to fight the horde. {{storylink|Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11|Black Planet}} The Ammonites were subsequently destroyed by Metalhawk, after which Windblade and her fellow Camiens were called on by [[Mainframe (G1)|Mainframe]] to engage the splintered components of [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]]. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

When the fighting was done, Windblade sought out [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]], to pass on a one-word message given to her by Alpha Trion before she had parted company with him: "[[Earth]]". {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|Hello Cruel World}} {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}} Prime first had to preside over the trial of Megatron, which Windblade was in the audience for, {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} but after that was done, he prepared to leave to follow Trion's trail. Windblade and [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]] stayed behind on Cybertron, now under [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]]'s leadership; Prime warned her to be wary of the Seeker, but Windblade simply returned that she was wary of ''everyone'' on this war-blighted world. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|Hello Cruel World}}

====Cityspeaker of Cybertron====

[[File:BotAndHerCity-illustriousleader.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|But aside from that, he's great!]]
Six months after the battle of the Titans, Windblade had tried settling into life on Cybertron as it had settled into Metroplex. She had an important role as Cityspeaker to the heavily-damaged Metroplex, though she was a novice at it and Starscream, the planet's leader, grew impatient and suspicious of her. Rolling blackouts threatened the city, and after she investigated the cause of those with Chromia, she also sought advice for how to best interact with Starscream. After talking with many of the denizens of [[Blurr (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Blurr]]'s bar, she came to the sobering realization that Starscream was a scheming opportunist who shouldn't be trusted. Not long after this revelation, an explosion seriously damaged her and put her under medical care. Moments before the explosion, she had seen [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]], Starscream's henchman, leaving the scene, and as she awoke from her medical bed, seeing Starscream approach her, she suspected Cybertron's leader had tried to kill her. {{storylink|A 'Bot and Her City}}

[[File:Windblade3-altmodes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2]]
After giving Windblade a veiled threat, Starscream and Rattrap departed. Windblade revealed to Chromia that she had found traces of explosives, before the bodyguard discovered reporters spying on them. Later the two of them met up with Ironhide, who they had sent to guard Metroplex's brain. Windblade searched Metroplex's brain for reasons why Starscream would cause the blackouts, when Chromia noticed that [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] had let slipped in an interview that he knew something. Windblade was able to convince him to show her what he discovered despite his unwillingness to talk; a "mine" Starscream had build inside Metroplex, used to sift the Titan for the Regenesis ore in his body. Windblade returned to the reporters and brought them and the denizens of Blurr's bar down there to reveal the mine to them. Three of the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]]s guarded the mine, and they were more than happy to try to take down Windblade and her friends. {{storylink|A Long Way Down}} Though she fought back valiantly, at a moment of weakness Starscream and Rattrap interrupted the battle to arrest Windblade and the others (minus Chromia and Sky-Byte) for "crimes against Cybertron."

While the others were jailed, Windblade was interrogated violently by Rattrap. However, this interaction convinced her that while Starscream may be responsible for the mine, he was not responsible for the bomb that killed several citizens and nearly her. Then, Chromia and Sky-Byte invaded the compound to free Windblade and the others, and Windblade confided in her friend that she had discovered that Starscream was not the culprit they were after, to Chromia's shock. {{storylink|Windblade issue 3|Windblade vol. 1 #3}} Starscream and his goons were swiftly upon them, and the battle recommenced. Windblade and Chromia barely managed to duck inside Metroplex's brain room as Windblade attempted to hook up directly to Metroplex and solve everything. Merged mentally with Metroplex, finally she understood everything. She saw other Transformer colony worlds that had also broken off from Cybertron. She saw Caminus before he went lost. And, sadly, she saw Chromia in all her rage, and realized that her friend, her bodyguard, was the one who had placed the bombs in that street corner, that Chromia was willing to murder others to scare Windblade off the planet and to safety.

[[File:Windblade4-nolongerwindblade.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67|"I am the Windblade Collective."]]
Supremely disappointed in Chromia, Windblade nevertheless had to keep the peace for the greater good. She plotted with Starscream to keep things buried, so that there would be a Cybertron for those lost colonies to eventually return to. Windblade left the both of them, wiser, but morally compromised. {{storylink|Windblade issue 4|Windblade vol. 1 #4}}

Windblade was present when [[Wheeljack (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Wheeljack]] emerged from medical rehabilitation. Recently betrayed by Chromia and bewildered by Starscream's machinations, Windblade sought out the nearly-murdered engineer as someone she could potentially trust. After Wheeljack reluctantly agreed to help rebuild [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], she and Ironhide observed in silent solidarity. {{storylink|The World of Tomorrow}}

[[File:ForeverIsALongTimeComing-MatrixofLeadership.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|"But sometimes 'Susan.'"]]
When Optimus Prime returned from Earth, Windblade, Starscream, and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] told him about a series of murders that were targeting Decepticons. {{storylink|City of Steel (issue)|City of Steel}} The murderer struck again outside of [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]]'s bar, killing one of his friends, and so she helped Optimus Prime follow this apparent lead. Inside the bar they found a very angry Gutcruncher and an expatriated [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]]. It seemed to be a dead end, and the two left, but shortly afterwards the bar exploded, {{storylink|Fight or Flee (issue)|Fight or Flee}} killing everyone inside. After Windblade returned with them to investigate, Sandstorm snapped at Optimus Prime for killing his friends. This anger was short lived, and the shell of an [[infernus bullet]] was found in the wreckage, so another lead was found to follow. {{storylink|Quest for Fire}} The lead culminated in the brutal treatment and incarceration of the [[Firecon]]s, and Windblade took this opportunity to raise an eyebrow at the Autobots' violent methods. Things escalate further when it seemed [[Slag (G1)|Slug]] was responsible for the murders, causing Windblade to pull Optimus Prime out of an imminent battle with him. {{storylink|The Killing Jar (issue)|The Killing Jar}} Optimus Prime realized who the real culprit was, and he enlisted Windblade and Starscream to set up a ruse to draw him out. Ultimately, the murderer was revealed to be Sandstorm. Afterwards, Windblade accompanied Optimus Prime on a personal errand to return the remaining half of the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to the spot where he had been given it millions of years ago. Optimus confided in Windblade that he was worried that violent Autobots like Slug and Sandstorm who had trouble acclimating to a post-war climate were the greatest threat to their race's newfound peace. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (issue)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

On their way home, Optimus and Windblade were attacked by a group of angry Decepticons, but their attackers dispersed following the arrival of Ironhide and Chromia. Windblade escorted the other three back to Metroplex, where she revealed that the Titan's space bridge portal was back online and ready to interact with the long-lost Cybertronian colony worlds. Though she knew that reconnecting Cybertron and her homeworld Caminus could mean rebuilding the latter, she also expressed her worry to Optimus that Starscream could turn her world and the others into mere cogs in his empire. As they suspected, after Starscream learned the news of the operable space bridge, he chafed at the idea of opening up a truly representative system of government, but she and Optimus were adamant this would be the case. Later, after an awkward communication with the ''Lost Light'', Windblade realized that something elsewhere was wrong—Ironhide and Chromia, who had been guarding the active spacebridge portal, had been struck down, and [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] and a strangely rejuvenated [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] had traveled through to Caminus! {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}} Chromia and Ironhide were roused, and they dashed into the portal after Menasor, and Windblade followed them once she asked Optimus to stay behind for reasons she'd explain later. Once she was back on her homeworld, she rescued Chromia (though seemingly not 100% pleased to do so), and after sizing up their challenge, she radioed to Optimus Prime for support.

[[File:TheSumAndItsParts-MistressofFlame.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67|"Can't you see I'm a little busy~?"]]
Optimus sent Superion, and the battle was quickly over. Quietly, Windblade met with her world's [[Forgefire Parliament]] and pleaded for understanding in response to Cybertron's terrible first impression, and then she returned to Cybertron to explain to Optimus why she had asked him to stay behind. Caminus was a theocracy and desperate for help, Windblade explained, and spelled out to Optimus that him being a "living [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]" would mean her people would regard him as a god. This would undercut Starscream's grab for power, but she noted this would be a potentially volatile situation. As Windblade expected, when she and Optimus walked back to Caminus through the space bridge, the [[Mistress of Flame]] and her citizens immediately ignored Starscream's bloviating and circled around Optimus to bow. {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}} As Starscream tried to salvage his grab for power, Optimus Prime and the Mistress of Flame bristled at their differences—Optimus insisted on helping Caminus rebuild, the Mistress of Flame considered the Prime's devotion to the will of the people to be sacrilege, and Windblade grimaced at the awkwardness. As Windblade and Optimus attended to survivors, Optimus fielded a call from [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]], and the former neglected to mention to the latter the involvement of Superion. Windblade noted that recently Optimus had claimed he never lied. {{storylink|The Possible Light}}

Back on Cybertron, Windblade, Optimus, Starscream, and two other Camiens tried to decide who would be representatives in the council, and Windblade and Starscream once again clashed in ideologies. Just as a group of representatives from the ''Lost Light'' had arrived, Windblade received word that Caminus was under attack by Prowl's [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], who was determined to cut off Cybertron from its colony worlds in order to stop Starscream from growing an empire. In order to stop Devastator, Starscream created [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]], who teamed up with Superion to defeat Devastator. Windblade, acting as Caminus's representative, wanted to imprison Prowl on Caminus for his actions for an eventual trial, thus saving him from immediate execution. {{storylink|Mistakes and Mayhem}}

Although she was busy with her political duties, Windblade found the time to work on Metroplex's space bridge with Wheeljack. As they worked, they chatted about the future and the implications of re-contacting the colonies. Windblade maintained that all Transformers had a common origin in the Guiding Hand, although neither of them knew if they were doing the right thing in following Starscream. {{storylink|You, Me, and the Universe}} Things quickly heated up after Menasor escaped from captivity and rallied the disenfranchised Decepticons; Windblade was present to see the newly-born [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]] charge through the space bridge while she and Wheeljack tried to hold their positions against the rioting 'Cons. They were bolstered by the arrival of Starscream and his Badgeless, who provided crowd control. This allowed Windblade to set the space bridge back to Caminus, allowing Chromia and some emigrant Decepticons to help out. No sooner had they restored order before Defensor appeared, dragging the defeated Menasor behind him; Chromia, Starscream, and Windblade joined the fray and helped keep Menasor down.

After the conclusion of the "Combiner Wars", Windblade reported back to the Mistress of Flame, with the news that the [[Council of Worlds]] had been successfully formed. Although Windblade was still troubled by her looming duties, the Mistress's words provided encouragement. {{storylink|All That Remains}} She later returned to Cybertron. {{storylink|Now and On Earth}}

[[File:AnUneventfulNight-WindbladeArcee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Oh no, don't get her started on [[Spotlight: Arcee|that]] again.]]
The Mistress of Flame decided to celebrate the Caminus-Cybertron alliance by declaring an official holiday; Windblade temporarily donned some ceremonial paint in honor of the occasion. Windblade was soon contacted by Chromia, who informed her that [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]] had just stolen the [[Enigma of Combination]]. The duo chased Arcee out to the [[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]], where they encountered the [[Torchbearer]]s: Camien explorers on a mission of their own. In the ensuing fight, [[Rust Dust]] accidentally activated the Enigma, fusing the Torchbearers together into the huge and angry [[Victorion]]. Windblade and Chromia pulled Arcee to safety before fighting Victorion. After taking out Victorion's weapons, Windblade was able to talk the combiner down and persuade her to disassemble. With the Enigma back in Starscream's hands, Windblade requested that nobody speak of this event to protect the fragile peace. {{storylink|An Uneventful Night}}

====Council of Worlds====

With a growing number of Camiens emigrating to Cybertron, Windblade was forced to intervene in a dispute between the Camiens and Decepticons about the usage of energy from Metroplex. As a result, she was late for the first meeting between Cybertron and [[Velocitron]], another of the colony worlds. [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]] wasn't impressed by her tardiness or her offers to help Velocitron improve its fuel efficiency, noting that on Velocitron politics were settled by races and no Cybertronian could outpace a Velocitronian. Undaunted, Windblade vowed to Starscream that she'd win over the Velocitronians. To this end, she invited Knock Out and his cohort [[Moonracer (G1)|Moonracer]] to a party at [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's]]. Windblade took the opportunity to talk with Moonracer, who confessed that Velocitron was in a period of cultural stagnation. She informed Windblade of a race taking place on Velocitron, and encouraged Windblade to send Blurr in the hopes of brokering an alliance anyway. Windblade discussed the matter with Metroplex, although the Titan's cryptic comments about his brother [[Navitas]] proved unhelpful. With Rattrap's help, Windblade, Chromia, Blurr, and Ironhide secretly bridged to Velocitron, where they were immediately confronted with freezing cold, a wall of fire, and the wheeled city of [[Delta]] bearing down on them! {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 4|Windblade vol. 2 #4}}

[[File:RaceAgainstTheLight-sowecanwin.jpg|thumb|left|thumb|300px|Windblade, champion of honor!]]

The quartet desperately tried to keep up with the city, and with Moonracer's help they were soon safely aboard. Moonracer filled them in on some of the less pleasant aspects of Velocitronian culture - in particular the steep social divide between racers and non-racers. While Blurr registered for the [[Benefit 500]], [[Clocker (G1)|Clocker]] showed Windblade and Chromia to Navitas's brain chamber; Windblade hoped to use her talents to help Blurr win the race. However, years of neglect had rendered Navitas all but senile, forcing Windblade to take drastic action. Clambering into the Titan's brain, Windblade took manual control of the Titan, reshaping the racetrack to eliminate the other competitors and guide Blurr to a suitably flashy victory, persuading the Velocitronians to join the Council. Windblade's elation was swiftly quashed when Wheeljack contacted her to reveal that Starscream was about to meet with ambassadors from one of the other colony worlds. {{storylink|Race Against the Light}}

[[File:Windblade6-abloobloo.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Try not to think too hard about this image out of context.]]

The other planet turned out to be [[Devisiun]], which Starscream and Superion had visited while Windblade was adventuring on Velocitron. She was momentarily confused by the dual presence of Devisiun's representatives [[Vanquish (G1)|Vanquish]] and [[Fireshot (G1)|Fireshot]], although they assured her that they would always vote as one entity. Windblade confronted Starscream about his deceptions, and together they agreed to visit the next colony world together. The next day, they bridged to [[Eukaris]]. The Eukarian [[beast mode]] Transformers proved distrustful of Transformers with vehicle modes, although Windblade's Camien origins allowed her to speak. On Rattrap's advice Windblade concentrated on winning over [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]. The meeting was cut short by the revival of [[Chela]], who was intent on killing the two offworlders. Windblade tried to reach his brain so that she could negotiate with him, but Chela manipulated his own internal structures to pin her down. Starscream took a more direct approach and simply destroyed the Titan's brain, killing him. Although Windblade was saddened by Chela's death, Blackarachnia consoled her by reciting one of her prophecies: that Chela's death was the first step on changing Eukaris for the better. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|Windblade vol. 2 #6}}

Windblade returned to Cybertron disgruntled at how events had gone, but after some encouraging words from Chromia and Metroplex, was soon accompanying Starscream to visit the next titan, [[Tempo]]. They found not the ship of pacifistic philosophers they were expecting, but a ship of warriors led by [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]]. When Elita was going to execute Starscream for lying, Windblade managed to talk her out of it and into joining the alliance. She was disturbed, however, at the secrets Elita One's people were keeping: Elita One claimed that her people had renamed Tempo to [[Vigilem|Carcer]] when Windblade knew from talking to Metroplex that "Carcer" was in fact the name of a different Titan. {{storylink|The Will of the Few}} After this, Windblade went to confer with Metroplex regarding the names of the Titan and the lack of records on "Carcer" on either Cybertron or Caminus. Metroplex however said Carcer was a Titan but separate from Tempo. {{storylink|Rubicon}}

With a steady tide of colonists travelling to Cybertron, Starscream suggested a new holiday in his honour: "[[Chosen One Day]]". Although Starscream's egocentric holiday didn't turn out as he had hoped, Windblade, her friends, and several Council members visited Starscream's quarters to throw him a party anyway, putting aside their differences for one night. {{storylink|Choose Me}}

[[File:NewWorldsOrder-WindbladeStarscream.jpg|left|thumb|300px|"An empire has ''followed me home''!"]]

After Optimus returned from a trip to Caminus, Windblade filled him on on recent events, and the pair watched as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s came into conflict with visiting Camiens [[Aileron]] and [[Sterling]]. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 1: Aphelion|Aphelion}} Starscream later contacted Windblade after a [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]]'s Decepticons sparked a riot. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 2: Lagrange|Lagrange}} Windblade and her team tried to maintain order against the Decepticon mob, who were trying to reach Metroplex's space bridge and warp to Earth as part of [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]]'s plan. Starscream and Optimus Prime deployed Victorion and Superion to disperse the remaining Decepticons. After Wheeljack brought the bridge back online, Optimus travelled to Earth and announced that Earth was now a member of the Council of Worlds {{storylink|Conquerors Part 4: Perihelion|Perihelion}}, much to Windblade's concern. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 1: Once Upon a Time on Earth|Once Upon a Time on Earth}} The Council of Worlds held an emergency meeting to discuss Optimus's course of action. Windblade suggested that they wait to get Optimus's side of the story, although she maintained that Optimus should not have a seat on the Council, and that the governing body should only limit itself to affairs between pre-existing colonies. Starscream was left agitated by how Windblade was willing ''to'' give Prime that benefit, when it was worse than anything ''he'd'' done.{{storylink|New Worlds Order}}

Shortly after, Windblade was left distraught by a broadcast from the ''Lost Light'': her old friend Velocity, among others, facing execution and stating how she wanted her funeral to go. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

Windblade met with the other members of the Council to discuss a recent slew of [[mnemosurgery|mnemosurgical]] attacks on Iacon's Decepticon population, including a supplier of parts for Carcer. Starscream was reluctant to investigate, but Windblade and Obsidian pushed the matter. When the meeting had been adjourned, their guest Ironhide invited Windblade and Chromia to help him deal with a rowdy customer at Maccadam's, but Windblade declined, citing paperwork. Windblade and Obsidian received a summons from Ironhide after things got out of control, culminating in the death of a bystander. Windblade accused Starscream of orchestrating the attacks, causing Starscream to threaten to drop the news about Chromia's bombings. Before they could discuss this further, [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] revealed that footage of the shooting had already been broadcast live across Iacon. {{storylink|07:00:00}}

[[File:TheLineBetweenUs-Windbladedroopy.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Droopy wings = Sad Windblade.]]

The footage incited an angry mob, who marched on Starscream's office demanding the truth about the attack. Windblade stormed into Starscream's office to blame him for his increasingly totalitarian government. At a later meeting of the Council, Windblade was present when Ironhide volunteered to step up as the new head of the Badgeless. As the crowd dispersed, Windblade pressed Starscream for answers about Swindle - thought dead since the disastrous "Combiner War" - but Starscream refused to play along, putting Windblade in charge of shutting down Onslaught and the surviving Combaticons, and once again threatening to spill the beans about the Metroplex bombings. {{storylink|Applicable Skills}} Following Starscream's instructions to keep watch on Onslaught, Windblade visited Metroplex's brain chamber; when Chromia arrived she revealed that she was being blackmailed by Starscream. Neither one of them were able to recover a cache from Chromia's hidden files which documented the space bridge incident, which had been corrupted by someone else. As weeks passed, Chromia worked to unscramble the files while Windblade played along with Starscream's forces - until things finally came to a head when Rattrap revealed Swindle to the other Combaticons, using the Enigma of Combination to probe Swindle's mind and inadvertently creating a new combiner - [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]!. {{storylink|Things We Said We'd Never Do}} As Bruticus ran amok in the streets of Iacon, Starscream blamed Windblade for failing to keep an eye on the Combaticon leader and demanded that she kill the combiner. Windblade initially refused, but when Starscream threatened to reveal Chromia's secret Windblade finally pushed back and contacted Chromia. Windblade asked her to help the Combaticons expose Starscream's own dirty secrets and return to Caminus before Starscream could retaliate. Windblade tried to talk down Bruticus, but the combiner retaliated against her - only Ironhide's intervention saved the two Camiens. When Bruticus had been reduced to his components, Windblade tried to resuscitate the unconscious Combaticons in the hopes of getting them to talk. With no other alternatives, Chromia finally went on live television and announces that she was responsible for the Acrolight bombings. All Windblade could do was watch as her best friend was arrested. {{storylink|The Line Between Us}}

The Council later met with Optimus to hear his side of the story. Windblade tried to be diplomatic, although [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] was quick to demand explanations for the Prime's behavior. Although Prime insisted that his intentions were pure, Windblade couldn't side with Optimus on the issue. Ultimately, the Council members unanimously voted against allowing Earth a seat on the council. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 3: The Medium and the Message|The Medium and the Message}} At another emergency meeting of the Council, Windblade witnessed footage of Optimus raising [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] from the ground. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 6: No Fair Fights|No Fair Fights}}

When a massive energy discharge was detected at the former site of [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]], Windblade pushed Starscream to investigate, and the two fliers headed out. Shockingly, they found the city intact within a crater, but this matter was quickly forgotten when the two received news that the [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] had seemingly returned from the dead, and was slaughtering Decepticons in their ghetto. When the ex-Prime attacked Starscream with a [[Spark disruptor]], Windblade was able to jump the disruptor onto her own spark, where its detonation was non-fatal thanks to the differing frequency of Camien sparks. The pair quickly flew to regroup with the forces fighting Sentinel Prime at the space bridge. {{storylink|The Last Autobot}} When Optimus and [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]] returned to Cybertron from their encounter with Sentinel on [[Prion]], Windblade met up with the duo, and encouraged the demoralized Autobot leader to take his victories where he could get them. {{storylink|White Heat}}

====Revolution====

[[File:TheDivineSourceOfLiberty-RomMeetsTheAutobots.jpg|thumb|left|300px|It was at that moment, that Rom knew-]]

Some time later, Pyra Magna and Soundwave called Windblade to Earth to help deal with the recalcitrant Metrotitan, who had gone dormant and refused to communicate with anyone. However, days of searching his systems turned up no mechanical faults. {{storylink|Informed}} Windblade remained on Earth, and in the wake of an [[Ore-13]] explosion on [[Mount Olympus]] she helped coordinate Autobot relief efforts across the globe from within Metrotitan. When Jazz and Arcee ran afoul of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] in [[Oregon]], Windblade arrived as part of the Autobot reinforcements. When a [[Rom|silver alien]] interrupted the fracas to kill several members of G.I. Joe, Windblade and the other Autobots evacuated the scene to pursue the intruder. {{storylink|Concorde Hymn}} Their chase took them to [[Umpqua National Forest]], where the alien, Rom, explained that he was tracking the malevolent, shapeshifting [[Dire Wraith]]s. {{storylink|The Divine Source of Liberty}}

[[File:Informed-WindbladeLadyShazraella.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[George Takei|Oh, My.]]]]

Back at Autobot City, the efforts to communicate with Metrotitan continued, until Pyra Magna happened to suggest that the Titan was simply not willing to talk with anyone... except a Prime. Unsure of Metrotitan's true intentions and unwilling to endanger Optimus, Windblade merged her mind with Metrotitan's. The Titan wasn't happy to be communicating with her; he explained that he was merely trying to pass on a message from one of the Thirteen before shunting Windblade's consciousness into [[Microspace]], where she encountered [[Micronus Prime]]. The Prime told her that she would have to experience his message for herself - and so her new avatar was set adrift in the [[entropy cloud]]. The evil [[Baron Karza]] soon found the young Camien and had her interrogated by his wife [[Shazraella|Lady Shazraella]]; there, Windblade learned about the war that threatened the stability of the Microverse. One of Shazraella's handmaidens sacrificed herself to set Windblade free as soon as her mistress's back was turned, allowing Windblade's avatar to fade away and return her consciousness to her normal body. Optimus was hesitant to follow through on her plea to help Microspace, as the Prime had misgivings about her plan. Unable to blaspheme against Optimus Prime, Windblade grudgingly promised to follow her Prime and understand his motives. {{storylink|Informed}}

[[File:OShipOfState-Windblade.jpg|left|thumb|300px|You can feel the cyber-spittle splattering from here.]]
When the Transformers and Rom convened to strategize, Windblade argued that helping Microspace should be their top priority - a sentiment that Soundwave agreed with, believing that everything had to be connected. Optimus took command and decided that the Autobots would need to help Earth first. When Rom took matters into his own hands by sending Ore-13 through Metrotitan's space bridge to put them beyond the reach of the Wraiths, the Autobots moved to stop the Space Knight, and Optimus realized the error of his ways, resolving that they would have to find a way to save both worlds. {{storylink|O Ship of State}} Meanwhile, [[Snake-Eyes]] had infiltrated Autobot City and distracted Windblade long enough to sneak into the complex. There, he encountered Arcee and the recently arrived ''[[Heliopolis]]''; crew member [[Acroyear (Micronaut)|Acroyear]] joined the fight and drew the attention of the three Cybertronians. When Windblade investigated the tiny spaceship, she recognized the lifeforms from her own adventures within that realm. {{storylink|The New Colossus}} Things only got worse when Karza showed up in their universe, and fused with the Dire Wraiths and the technology of [[M.A.S.K.]] to form a gigantic super-powered colossus. Windblade realized that the monster was speaking Ancient Cybertronian. Following an impromptu team-up with the resident do-gooders, the team hatched a plan to send Karza back to whence he had came; Windblade used her cityspeaking talents to activate Metrotitan's flight mode, and lifted the entire city to safety. {{storylink|Valley Forge}}

====Vigilem====

[[File:DesperateTimes-CarcerTeam.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Dramatic theme music goes here.]]

After saving Earth and ensuring that the Autobots and other local peacekeepers would keep the planet safe, Windblade returned to Cybertron feeling very unsure of her role in the future. [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] offered her reassurance but was cut off when both their communicators pinged alerting them to an emergency. Said emergency was a fleet of undead Titans bearing down on Cybertron. Bringing this information to the [[Council of Worlds]], Starscream declared a state of war. Windblade herself was ordered to [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] to assist him in the coming battle. She worked to rewire power to his combat functions but was unable to warn him in time before he was tackled down by his undead brethren with herself trapped inside him. {{storylink|Ping}} Windblade was soon joined by [[Lightbright (G1)|Lightbright]] and the two disconnected Metroplex's brain module so that the undead would think Metroplex had perished. Regrouping at the [[Spire]], Starscream informed everyone that despite his repeated pleas, Elita One would ''not'' transform Carcer to robot mode. At wit's end, Windblade proposed a risky plan to sneak aboard Carcer with either herself or Lightbright manually reactivating the Titan in the hope that he could be reasoned with to provide the additional firepower to save Cybertron. After Lightbright had been given a holographic disguise to look like Windblade, the group boarded Carcer with Devastator acting as a distraction. {{storylink|Desperate Times}}

[[File:Rubicon - Evil Windblade.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Team Evil: they're ''always'' hiring!]]

With Lightbright's team acting as a distraction, Windblade's managed to access the Titan's [[Brain module|brain module]] only to be confronted by [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] who had anticipated their actions. Windblade's team however managed to incapacitate Obsidian and she reactivated and merged with the brain module to try and convince Carcer to help. Much to her horror however, she learned that the Titan was neither Carcer or [[Tempo]] but Vigilem. {{storylink|Desperate Measures (Till All Are One)|Desperate Measures}} As the evil Titan was slow to reawaken after so long, Windblade seized the opportunity to take control of his body and puppeteer it to Cybertron to fight off the undead horde. The strain of fighting off Vigilem's influence and the undead horde proved taxing on Windblade and Vigilem was able to retake partial control and agreed to a temporary ceasefire to destroy the undead so that Vigilem himself could later destroy Cybertron. When the last of the undead fell, Vigilem tried to kill Metroplex but Windblade forced him away and then shifted her mental energies to try and stop him from freeing [[Liege Maximo]]. Were it not for the last of the undead distracting her, she may very well have succeeded but Vigilem used her moment of weakness to seize control of ''both'' their bodies. When Elita arrived to destroy Vigilem's brain, the Titan downloaded his mind into Windblade's sending her into stasis lock. {{storylink|If I Know You}} To the outside world however, Windblade appeared dead. {{storylink|Rubicon}}

Her body was brought to a hospital where [[Windblade's doctor|a doctor]] deduced that Vigilem's mind was inside Windblade's own. Within their shared mindscape, Windblade fled from Vigilem's massive mental avatar who tried to convince her to merge their Sparks into one so they could both survive. Galvanized, Windblade attacked the evil Titan and swore to be his prison and would gladly die if it meant his death. Vigilem managed to convince Windblade that the two were not so different as Windblade herself had made countless morally grey choices and despite Starscream's worsening mental state, neither Optimus nor Elita were ideal replacements. Offering again to merge with her, Vigilem asked if Windblade had fallen from grace or simply opened her optics to the true nature of the world. {{storylink|If I Know You}}

Windblade instead doubled down on her attempts at containing Vigilem. Resigned to the fact that she could not defeat him, Windblade opted to defend her brain module until her mind collapsed and killed them both. The stalemate continued until Starscream made a heroic entrance into her mind by blasting Vigilem in the back and announcing he'd selflessly come to help her. Far from being grateful, Windblade raged at Starscream for overlooking the major risk in his plan before Vigilem shot her and proceeded to take [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]'s form before smashing into Starscream's mind. Exasperated at Starscream, Windblade followed into a mental representation of [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]] where she scooped up Starscream's spark before the evil Titan could destroy it. Thinking his foe destroyed, Vigilem began rewriting the Seeker's mind while Windblade glimpsed Starscream's memories and was horrified at the process of cold construction by which he was created. Glimpsing Starscream's spark being placed in one of many identical, pre-built bodies, she speculated Starscream's constant changing of bodies was his attempt to escape the feeling of not belonging that came of not having been Forged. Summoning a mental copy of the [[Forge of Solus Prime]], Windblade began forging Starscream's "true" form out of his spark, each strike summoning a spectre of a Cybertronian who'd had a great impact on Starscream's life to fight off Vigilem before Starscream's mental avatar reformed as a towering version of his "true form", which promptly stomped on Vigilem. Assuming her own titanic form, Windblade shoved Vigilem into her own spark to burn away his impurities until the truth of him was found. Befitting the Titan of [[Liege Maximo]], there was no truth to be found and he was destroyed.

Returning to the waking world, Windblade cheekily smiled at Starscream and told him that by helping him find his truth, she'd found her own as well and would no longer be a mouthpiece for others, but instead her own bot. {{storylink|Your First Mistake}}

When [[Earth]] had chosen [[Marissa Faireborn|an ambassador]], Windblade attended the ceremony to commemorate Earth's joining the [[Council of Worlds]]. Before Starscream could give a speech, an explosion sent the crowd into a panic. As security conducted evacuations, Windblade noticed someone standing stock still and went to aid them only to find a false Cybertronian filled with [[Red Shadows]]. She communicated this to Ironhide, who authorized lethal force. {{storylink|First Strike issue 1|First Strike #1}} Even with Optimus as backup, the sheer number of Red Shadows proved a suitable deterrent and she and the Prime retreated back to the [[Spire]] where Windblade commented that she didn't share the Prime's faith in Elita or Starscream working together. Her fear was well founded when Elita decided to murder Marissa before launching a genocide against all humans. {{storylink|First Strike issue 2|First Strike #2}} When [[Skyburst (G1)|Skyburst]] and [[Stormclash]] arrived on Cybertron, they glimpsed Windblade exasperatedly throwing her hands up during a Council meeting before members of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[M.A.S.K.]] were brought before them with Elita ominously ordering their execution. {{storylink|First Strike issue 3|First Strike #3}}

Windblade objected to that, feeling the Council should not be reduced to genocide by fear prompting Elita to instead propose mass deportation. After [[Scarlett]] had given something vaguely resembling an explanation regarding the [[Iron Ring]]'s plan, Starscream threw her and her forces in jail. Nonetheless, Starscream ordered a mobilization against the threat with Windblade volunteering to confer with Metroplex. When Optimus offered aid however, she coldly rebuked him later explaining to Ironhide that she tired of his constant military mindset as she pulled up cameras in the central district eventually finding the villains in the filtration systems. Observing everything from the security cameras, Windblade watched in shock and horror as [[Joe Colton]] dismantled both squads. {{storylink|First Strike issue 4|First Strike #4}} Winblade began brainstorming a plan only to find Optimus had taken his leave. While Metroplex had faith in the Prime, Windblade remained skeptical. Intercepting Optimus outside the prison, she let he and his team pass, if only to prevent further damage to Iacon, but noted that that had been the last time she would bow to any [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]. Windblade then went to Starscream to report on Optimus's actions only to find [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] had already done so. When the Council moved out to arrest Optimus, {{storylink|First Strike issue 5|First Strike #5}} Windblade remained behind to keep an optic on Metroplex. When the [[Talisman (G1)|Talisman]] was activated within Cybertron, the entire planet "screamed" and sent out a communication signal using nearly half of its energon to do so. At Windblade's behest, Metroplex translated the signal to "Welcome. Death." {{storylink|First Strike issue 6|First Strike #6}}

====First Delegate====

As Iacon began yet another reconstruction, Windblade was due to retake her spot on the Council of Worlds which Starscream had chosen to commemorate with a photo-op. When Windblade nearly let slip that [[Liege Maximo]] had escaped, Starscream kicked out the press shocking the cityspeaker that he hadn't told the populace. Learning that the Mistress of Flame supported this was the last straw for Windblade who stormed out and told [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] and [[Longtooth]] about the truth regarding "Carcer". The resulting news wave resulted in Windblade being banished from Caminus before she was attacked by a sympathetic Camien and a rather miffed Carcerian. After those two had been chased off, Windblade was approached by Blurr, Fat Tankor and Waspinator who pushed her to run for the post of Chancellor. She took their advice and soon garnered enough signatures to become a candidate but faced with the monumental responsibility, she caved and sought solace at Metroplex. She confessed to the Titan that she while she did indeed want to rule Cybertron, she feared that her desire to do so was in fact a remnant of Vigilem's personality. Metroplex told her that Vigilem had listened to no one but Liege Maximo and if Windblade honestly listened to others and worked to make their lives better, she would know herself to be free of the evil Titan's impulses.

Acting on that advice, Windblade organized an event in [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]] where bots from all walks of life could come and vent their grievances while offering her advice on how to make Cybertron a better world. Once the event wrapped up, Windblade was approached by [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] who revealed that he was behind the recent [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]] uprising and presented her a briefcase full of devastating ''kompromat'' on Starscream. When Windblade queried as to why he didn't use the case himself, the ex-Autobot revealed his uncertainty about whether or not Starscream had genuinely turned over a new leaf. And also since Windblade now knew about the briefcase ignoring the contents was essentially endorsing them so they were her problem now.

Windblade eventually read the contents and discovered Starscream's laundry list of crimes swearing to the Seeker that she would expose him at the debates. At the debates, Windblade spoke briefly of her own past before she praised Cybertron for being a place that transcended differences and welcomed everyone. Starscream spoke next and, in the bravest act Windblade had ever seen, confessed to all his crimes. The result was a landslide victory for Windblade, who decided to change her title from "Supreme Ruler" to "First Delegate". Visiting Starscream in his cell, she presented him with a holo-image of his "true self" as means to symbolize his fulfilling the Chosen One prophecy. By having all of Cybertron turn against him, he'd finally united the planet. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

In [[Thundercracker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Thundercracker]]'s [[Starscream: The Movie (film)|biopic]] of Starscream, the meeting between the two jets was recreated with [[Aileron]] acting as Windblade. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}} Once [[New Prysmos]] had begun to fill up with [[Prysmosian]] refugees, Windblade sent [[Kup (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Kup]] and Ironhide to negotiate with the aliens while sending [[Wheeljack (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Wheeljack]] and [[Breakdown (IDW)|Breakdown]] to examine the Talisman. {{storylink|Schismatic}}

With Cybertron's energon unpalatable to its people following being tainted by the Talisman's [[magic]], Optimus Prime oversaw the extraction of a large supply of [[Ore-13]] from Earth which he delivered to the assembled Council of Worlds before a solar eclipse struck the planet. Though Windblade was correct in believing this was Liege Maximo's long feared return, the Prime of Lies was now a prisoner of [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Onyx Prime]] whom Optimus invited to the surface for a reasonable discussion. Onyx agreed to the request viewing Optimus as none other than [[The Arisen]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} In the following discussion, Windblade tried to make her voice heard only for Onyx and the Mistress of Flame to defer solely to Optimus. When [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] attempted to defend Windblade and Onyx, the Mistress brought the latter's attack on Caminus. An attack that Windblade demanded the Mistress tell her about before an explosion ripped through the [[Spire]]. With Optimus, Windblade shielded Marissa Faireborn before Soundwave drew attention to Alpha Trion's demise. Onyx took the opportunity to assert authority and declared Soundwave and his Decepticons would be tried by the Primes alongside Liege Maximo. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}}

Windblade and Optimus quickly came to Soundwave's defense, but Onyx used an old crime of Soundwave's to turn even his fellow Decepticons against him. Fighting broke out in the streets between the faithful, the faithless, and the merely angered. Windblade and Optimus tried to reach Onyx Prime, but they were shot at and Windblade lost her grip on Optimus. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 3: The Ground|The Ground}} He was rescued by Onyx, only to be tossed into the singularity at Crystal City. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} Windblade regrouped with the Mistress of Flame as they tried to restore order. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}} Windblade was unable to approach Onyx Prime's ship, the [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]], no matter how well she flew. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}} Onyx Prime was eventually brought down and revealed as the lost Decepticon, Shockwave. Windblade assured Soundwave no charges would be brought against him, but he had still lost the faith of the Decepticons by the revelations. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 6: Unforgivable|Unforgivable}}
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===''Kre-O'' online manga===
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Windblade was one of several Autobots under attack by [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]. {{storylink|New Military Unit Combaticon! Bruticus, Combine!}}
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===''Transformers Legends'' comic===
[[File:Legends Business Trip 12 Windblade.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|The fan of the Windblade.]]
Windblade, "little sister" to [[Nijika]], was created by the [[Zamojin (species)|Zamojin]] to keep watch on their dream world of the [[Legends World|Legends Universe]], where wishes could come true. When it was decided that the experiment had come to a conclusion, Windblade announced the universe's imminent destruction to its denizens and used her fans to form a devastating storm. [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]], realizing that the universe could grant any wish, summoned [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] to his world; the gigantic robot pulled Windblade from the sky, causing her to reset in the process and forget all about her mission. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 12|Bonus Edition Vol. 12}}

[[File:TFLegendsAutobotsHalloweenCostumes.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Darn it Japan! Wait, 80% of me ''is'' Japan.]]
Without any memory, Windblade fell into a waitress job at a "little sister cafe" in [[Akihabara]], where she proved skilled at selling very expensive lunches to adoring customers. She also ended up squatting at [[Tigatron]]'s home, much to the chagrin of [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]]. {{storylink|Windblade Sequel}} Windblade was among the dimensionally-displaced Autobots and [[Transformers sickness]]-afflicted Maximals who gathered to defend the Legends Universe from the intruding [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 16|Bonus Edition Vol. 16}} During [[Halloween]], she dressed up as a schoolgirl to attend a Halloween party with Tigatron and Airazor, but they were interrupted by the trick-or-treating Slipstream, [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], and [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbird Shadow]]. Windblade teamed up with the similarly dressed up [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] to stop the Decepticons' antics, but all three were defeated and tied up by Blackarachnia. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 17|Bonus Edition Vol. 17}}

As the [[Chōkon Power|spirit energy]] generated by [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Armada Megatron]]'s greed empowered the Zamojin, they began working to regain control of Windblade, causing her to fall ill. She collapsed in the street, prompting the nearby [[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Armada Starscream]] to fill in for her at the cafe. When she arrived there herself, she had fallen back under her makers' control and was muttering that she would destroy the world. Getting a hold of herself, she explained the situation to Starscream, lamenting that she was enjoying her new life in the Legends world and didn't want to destroy it. Starscream set out to put at end to Megatron's ambition, but warned Windblade that if it bad came to worse, he'd stop her himself. {{storylink|LG-18 Armada Starscream Super Mode Prologue}}

Megatron would not give up on his desires, however, and the Zamojin were able to take full control of Windblade. Starscream was ready to sacrifice himself to destroy her in a bid to save the world, but [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] found an alternate solution that led to both Megatron and Starscream being returned to their own universe. Restored to normal, Windblade was left chastising the local toy nerds for being just as greedy as Megatron when it came to rare toys. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 18|Bonus Edition Vol. 18}} When [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] arrived in the Legends Universe, Windblade and Chromia were ''very'' impressed with his handsome new body. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 19|Bonus Edition Vol. 19}} She was later caught up in another [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s attack on the city after he was turned into the insane [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 23|Bonus Edition Vol. 23}} Windblade was harassed by [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] while acting as cheerleader at a soccer game, {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 29|Bonus Edition Vol. 29}} and witnessed [[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]]'s living [[transtector]] run away from him. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 30|Bonus Edition Vol. 30}}

Windblade was working at the cafe when [[Flywheels]] came to see her fellow waiter, [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]], {{storylink|LGEX Headmaster Set Chapter}} and was among the citizens pestered by [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]'s clone army. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 47|Bonus Edition Vol. 47}} Metroplex later recalled how he was brought to the Legends World to defeat Windblade. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Metroplex)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}} When the world was threatened by three out-of-control [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]] who overpowered any resistance, Windblade sought out her creator, [[Katsu Don]], and struck a deal: in return for her rejoining the Zamojin, he would convert her into a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] who could combine with the upgraded body of Nijika. With the additional power of her sister on her side, Windblade was able to capture [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]] and use him to defeat the other Targetmasters, saving the world at the cost of becoming a Zamojin puppet once more. Before rejoining the Zamojin, she left a message for Tigatron, thanking him for their time together and asking the people of the Legends World to destroy her if she ever returned to attack them again. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 62|Bonus Edition Vol. 62}}

Indeed, it wasn't long before Katsu Don had Windblade assault the Legends World a second time, {{storylink|Jumpstarter Chapter}} this time using her connection to Pinpointer to take control of the other two Targetmasters and wreak havoc until confronted by the [[Wrecker]]s. She made short work of [[Twin Twist]] by decapitating him, but he survived using the [[Zodiac]] and separated her from [[Spoilsport]], who he then used to sever her connection to [[Peacemaker]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 65|Bonus Edition Vol. 65}} Windblade then clashed with [[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] before teaming up with Katsu Don to battle the [[Jumpstarter]]s, only to be defeated by their combined mode, [[Attack Powered]]. Fortunately she was mostly unharmed and her defeat served to set her free from Katsu Don's control once more. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 66|Bonus Edition Vol. 66}}

===''TransTech''===
Two separate Windblades were members of a crowd of countless off-worlders in [[Axiom Nexus]]'s Under City on the morning of the [[Waruder]] invasion. One of them had [[Windblade (G1)#Legends|black thighs]], the other had [[Windblade (G1)#Generations|red thighs]]. {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}}
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===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
{{voiceactor|[[Abby Trott]] (English)}}

[[File:PreludeToCombinerWarsWindblade-Windblade.jpg|left|thumb|300px|I'll cry when I'm done killing.]]
Windblade was a cityspeaker from Caminus. She resented the Mistress of Flame for abandoning the planet in favor of a position on the council on Cybertron. Giving up her job, she vowed to destroy the Combiners that had laid waste to her home world. {{storylink|Prelude to Transformers: Combiner Wars - Windblade}} She and [[Maxima]] encountered [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] shortly after the Combiner dispatched [[Computron (G1)|Computron]]. Windblade sliced Menasor in two, at which point he revealed that the council had the [[Enigma of Combination]] and intended to use it to create an army of Combiners. After mourning the loss of Maxima, Windblade headed to Cybertron. {{storylink|The Fall}}

There, she attempted to snipe the Enigma, only for [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] to knock her aim off target as she fired. {{storylink|The Council}} Attacking the former Autobot leader, Windblade asserted that the Autobots, Decepticons and Combiners were all alike. He eventually managed to relieve her of her sword; however, when she revealed that the Council had the Enigma, he joined forces with her. {{storylink|The Duel}} The pair paid a visit to Megatron and managed to persuade him to aid them, though not before Windblade had to deck him. {{storylink|Unforgotten}}

The trio headed to the council tower where they were met with hostility. Windblade accused the Mistress of Flame of deserting Caminus and inevitably Megatron shot [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] resulting in a clash between the two groups. As the trio fought the automated defenses, Windblade heard a mysterious voice in her head. {{storylink|Homecoming (CW)|Homecoming}} The arrival of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] resulted in Optimus, Megatron and Windblade fighting him instead, as he tried to claim the Engima for the Combiners. Things were further complicated by the arrival of [[Victorion]], at which point Starscream used the Enigma to merge with all the Combiners as Windblade and the others watched. {{storylink|A War of Giants}}

Windblade attempted to attack the out-of-control Starscream, only to be blasted by lightning and fall lifeless to the ground. {{storylink|Darkest Hour (CW)|Darkest Hour}} Finding herself in a featureless void, Windblade spoke with [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and admitted she was wrong to want to destroy everyone. Recalling her role as a Cityspeaker, Windblade recovered and got Metroplex to crush Starscream, allowing Optimus and Megatron to finish him off. Megatron presented Windblade with the Enigma, and she passed it on to Victorion for safekeeping. As the Mistress of Flame congratulated Windblade on ending the Combiner Wars, the cityspeaker observed that now the Titans had returned. {{storylink|Destruction's Dawn}}

As the cleanup of the city progressed, Windblade was disappointed that Optimus had chosen to leave. She found [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] examining Starscream's remains and left him to it, returning to Metroplex just in time to see a distant light as [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] rose from the ground. {{storylink|Aftermath and Rebirth}} She communed with Metroplex and realized the Titan had been planning to leave Cybertron before Starscream's stunt with the Enigma. Metroplex prepared to battle Trypticon, though Windblade believed he was too damaged to stand up to the evil Titan. She and Perceptor located the Mistress of Flame in the [[Primal Basilica]] and raised the alarm. Windblade resolved to stick by Metroplex's side as he fought, even as the [[Elite Air Resistance Squadron|reinforcements]] the Mistress called in were destroyed. {{storylink|Our Heroes Respond}}

She continued to plead with Metroplex to not battle Trypticon, but her pleas went unheeded, and she was shocked when Trypticon spoke with Starscream's voice. {{storylink|The Fight Begins}} Joined by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], Windblade attempted to assault Trypticon, but was too late to prevent Metroplex from perishing. After Hot Rod rescued [[Emissary (Generations)|Emissary]] from Trypticon, the [[Titan Master]] and Windblade headed off to find [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], {{storylink|At the Last Second}} arriving there to find Megatron brawling with the Combiners. Once that was resolved, Emissary linked Windblade to Maximus's mind so she could awaken him. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}} The process was painful, but Windblade managed to persuade Maximus to act before Emissary terminated the link for her own safety. {{storylink|Run for Our Lives}}

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The trio headed back to the city, as Optimus Prime and the Combiners were battling Trypticon, arriving just in time to save Optimus. {{storylink|In Good Hands}} As Fortress Maximus faced off against Trypticon, Windblade and the others split up to work as a distraction; however, Trypticon ate Victorion, much to Windblade's horror. Trypticon used the Enigma to control the remaining Combiners into attacking Maximus, and when Windblade attempted to shoot them off, she herself was shot down by Computron. She was forced instead to once again convince Megatron to help out, for which he demanded a favor in exchange. {{storylink|Consumed}} The battle abruptly ended when Trypticon ate Perceptor, and the [[Matrix of Leadership]] which Perceptor was carrying rejected him. Once Trypticon expired, Windblade and the others were treated to an appearance by [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], who terminated Optimus before leaving with the Matrix and Enigma. Windblade was inclined to agree with Menasor's plan to kill Megatron, as he appeared to have betrayed them, but he convinced them that they instead needed to work together to face this new threat. {{storylink|All Things Must Pass}}

Still indebted to Megatron for saving Fortress Maximus, Windblade followed him to [[Primal Swamp]] in search of the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]]. While searching, their group were attacked by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. Windblade tussled with [[Slag (G1)|Slug]] before managing to toss him aside, only for the five to combine into [[Volcanicus]]. {{storylink|The Swamp}} She attempted to combat the Combiner, but he laid her out flat with one punch. Before he could finish her off, he was attacked by [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], who soon turned on Windblade and the others as well. {{storylink|Volcanicus (episode)|Volcanicus}} She held her own against Predaking, attacking until he released the captive Victorion, prompting her and the others to make their escape. All of them came to a halt, however, as they watched Megatron enter a strange dome. {{storylink|Without Warning}} As they waited, Predaking began attacking again. Windblade attempted to stop him, but was shot down. She recovered as Megatron emerged from the dome, Blaster in hand, and they discussed their next course of action. {{storylink|Primal (POTP)|Primal}}

Following Megatron's lead, Windblade and the others traveled to [[Cataclysm Tundra]]. Though still unsure of Megatron's good intentions, [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] reassured her of his honesty as they located the entrance to the [[Athenaeum Sanctorum]]. As they began doing research, they were interrupted by [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] and Hot Rod, now redubbed Rodimus Cron. {{storylink|Athenaeum Sanctorum (episode)|Athenaeum Sanctorum}} Windblade did her best to fight against the two, calling Primal a coward when she caught him trying to escape with the Requiem Blaster. As Rodimus prepared to finish Megatron, Windblade stepped into his path to protect Megatron, but Rodimus began strangling her instead. She attempted to reach any remaining trace of the old Hot Rod, but the [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] within assured her there was nothing left and tossed aside her unresponsive body. {{storylink|Countdown (POTP)|Countdown}} When she came to, Megatron had destroyed Overlord with the Requiem Blaster. Megatron thanked her for saving him, saying they were square, as did Primal for stopping him from retreating. When Megatronus arrived to take back the Blaster, she tried to stop him, but was powerless against the Fallen as he and Rodimus escaped. Though she continued to believe Hot Rod could be saved, the others convinced her that if the time came, they might need to destroy him. After a speech encouraging Megatron to lead them, she and the others headed for the [[Well of All Sparks|Well of Sparks]]. {{storylink|Consequences}}

In spite of being weakened by Megatronus's weapon, Windblade and the others reached the Well. She attempted to draw Megatronus's fire, but she was shot down and very nearly perished if not for Optimus Primal's intervention. Ultimately, she and the others were engulfed in Megatronus's flames, unable to fight back. {{storylink|Collision Course}} When the flames finally died down, Windblade nearly passed out, but finally got to her feet and resumed attacking the device, now less affected by Megatronus's shots thanks to his weakening state. After watching Primal transform into Optimal Optimus, she and the others tackled Megatron to prevent him from reclaiming the Enigma and Blaster. {{storylink|Megatronus Unleashed}} She helped restrain Rodimus, allowing Optimal to remove the [[Matrix of Conquest|Matrix of Chaos]] from him and return him to Hot Rod. When Unicron tried to take control of Megatron, necessitating they both be killed, she desperately sought another solution. Finding none, she was left to mourn her friend's sacrifice. She was, however, overjoyed to see Optimus Prime revived from the dead as a result of their efforts. In the aftermath of the incident, Windblade was named Magistrate of Cityspeakers and worked to coordinate the efforts of all those who communicated with the Titans. {{storylink|Saga's End}}

===Transformers social media content===
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Windblade was unimpressed by Starscream's online dating profile.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/videos/1625292087540979/ Dating Profiles]</ref>
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===''All Spark'' comic===
Windblade was part of an Autobot team led by [[Ginrai (human)|God Ginrai]] who helped [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] defeat [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]. {{storylink|Looming Threat}}

===''Star Trek vs. Transformers''===
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==Games==
===Transformers Legends===
Windblade and [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] were dispatched from the ''[[Lost Light]]'' to explore a distant planet. There they met a group of Decepticons, and joined forces with them to battle their mutual foes, the Ammonites. Though several Ammonite attacks were thwarted by the alliance, soon differing opinions caused infighting in the group. Eventually, both the Ammonites and the Decepticons were defeated, and the two Autobots returned to their spaceship. {{storylink|Into the Abyss}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Windblade.jpg|thumb|thumb|upright=2|"Hi, I'm Windblade!"]]
Windblade participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of her! She was an Epic character who could be recruited by collecting 500 units of Cybermetal, 250 units of Transmetal, and 50 cores of this character. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:Windblade-Earth-Wars.jpg|thumb|upright=2|I'm a main character! RESPECT MAH ATHORITAH! ]]
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*'''Class:''' Special
*'''Lowest Star Rating:''' 2 star (was 3 star)
*'''Weaponry:''' Wind has a rifle she fires a few shots from before slashing a target with her sword.
*'''Ability: Quick Strike:''' - Fires 6 rockets at a target, then lands nearby an empty space and engages it!
**'''Cost:''' 5 ability points +2 for reuses.

[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:windblade| Windblade at Transformers : Earth Wars Wiki]

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===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
[[File:Windblade-Forged-to-Fight.jpg|thumb|300px|"The same thing as last year Goku".]]
Windblade was one of the Autobots pulled from [[The Transformers (franchise)|her universe]] by the [[Quintesson|Quintessons]] and forced to fight. She eventually joins the [[You|Commander]]. There are at least a few of her running around! {{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight}}
[[File:ForgedToFight-Windbladepromo.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1]|She can defeat Cybertronians, but can she defeat AIRMAN?]]
A controlled Windblade was under the tutelage of Bludgeon. {{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight|The Way of the Blade}}
Windblade was again exposed to a refined strain of Dark Energon as a test by the Quintesson Scientist, Hearing deafening voices in her head. Optimus urged her to focus and overcome the Dark Energon's effects of amplifying her cityspeaking ability, but she said the voices compel her to focus on his destruction. She believed the spirits of the Titans demand retribution for the wars and destruction wrought by Optimus. Optimus again urged her to resist the figments of her delusion, but she sought vengeance. Oddly, the Commander had a final showdown with Mirage instead of her. {{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight|Voices}}

*'''Class:''' Scout
*'''Basic Abilities'''
**''Passive''
***25% more Critical Hits on sword attacks.
***Windblade evades Ranged Attacks in jet mode.
**''Critical Sword Attack:'' 53-66% chance to '''Bleed''', dealing 30-68% damage over 4 seconds.
**''On Bleeding Opponent:''
***Ranged Attacks have a 35% chance to '''Stun''' for 1.5 seconds.
***Inflicting 4 Bleed stacks Stuns the opponent for 2 seconds once until the opponent's active Bleeds expire.
*'''Signature Ability: Resolution''' - Windblade's desire to finish the fight increases Critical Rate based on opponent's lost Health.
*'''Special Attacks'''
#'''Circuit Slicer''' - ''An experiment to see what kinds of shockwaves enemies make as they're slammed to the ground.'' - Stormfall Blast inflicts '''Shock''' for 20-60% Attack over 2-6 seconds. If the opponent activates a Power Gain effect, '''Power Failure''' will activate, Neutralizing and instant 90% attack will be inflicted as Shock Damage.
#'''Sword Dance''' - ''They'll be awe-struck, and sword-struck.'' - Attacks '''Armor Pierce''' 100% of the opponent's current Armor for 6 seconds.
#'''Strafing Run''' - ''Blow them apart from every direction.'' - 35% chance to Stun for 3 seconds.
*'''Synergy Bonuses'''
**'''Allies''' with Ironhide - +1-8% Armor.
**'''Swordmasters''' with Bludgeon and Drift - 3-10% Critical Damage for each non-critical Sword Attack until the next Critical Hit. +6-12% more Critical Hits in Solo Missions.
**'''Sky Assault''' with Waspinator - Opponents' Evade is decreased by 7-25%.
*'''Strong Match-ups:'''
** Megatron (Revenge of the fallen) - Windblade is able to deftly slice through Megatron’s powerful defenses with her Armor Piercing and Bleed inducing attacks.
**Soundwave - Windblade can neutralize Soundwave’s Power Gain and inflict extra damage with her Special 1. Soundwave’s Heavy Attack is also very ineffective when Windblade is using her own Heavy Attack because of her ability to make Ranged Attacks miss.
*'''Weak Match-ups:'''
** Prowl - Prowl deals a lot of damage with the support of his Melee Buffs, retreating and then going for a combo and ending with a Special 2 will be excellent against fragile but high attack Bots.
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==Toys==
===Generations===
====Thrilling 30====
[[File:Generationstoy-Windblade.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Built by the fans, for the fans, and... incorporating fans.]]
*'''Windblade''' (Deluxe Class, 2014)
**'''30 OF 30'''
**''Series / Number'': '''02 / #019'''
**''Accessories'': "[[Stormfall Sword]]", scabbard, tessen

:Part of the tenth wave of 2012-onwards ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Deluxe Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' Windblade transforms from a jet with tilting, spinning VTOL fans and fold in front landing gear, into a robot with 'facepaint' evocative of Japanese {{w|Kabuki}} theatre makeup. She comes with the Stormfall Sword, a translucent blade with a turbine at the hilt, which she can hold via its [[5mm post]]. The sword sheathes into the included scabbard, which can be held or tabbed onto slots on her thighs and back/cockpit sides, as well as be stored underneath her jet mode. Her headdress can also detach and be used as a "tessen" fan. A port under her nosecone is compatible with some action figure stands.

:She comes packaged with a copy of "[[Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8]]", and has a designated number as part of the ''Thrilling 30'' line.

:Care must be taken when detaching her headdress, as its painted ''and'' clear-plastic nature makes it very tight and susceptible to breakage. It must be pulled/wiggled '''back''', not pulled up as the [[instructions]] say. Due to a combination of back-heavy kibble and weak swivel tolerances on her heels and hip joints, getting Windblade to stand can often prove difficult, as she will often collapse when trying.

:She was retooled to create ''Legends'' [[Slipstream (Animated)#Legends|Slipstream]], who was then redecoed into [[BotCon 2016]] souvenir [[Airazor (BW)#Combiner Wars|Airazor]]. This mold also served as the basis of the non-toy ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Stiletto (BW)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Stiletto]] and the ''[[Transformers: Combiner Wars (cartoon)|Combiner Wars]]'' character [[Maxima]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/GenWindblade/windblade.htm More information on Windblade at TFU.info]''

====Combiner Wars====
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[[File:Transformers-SDCC-Combiner-Hunters-Windblade.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!]]
*'''Combiner Hunters''' (gift set, 2015)
**''Accessories'': "Stormfall Sword," scabbard, tessen, Spectrospear

:The ''Combiner Hunters'' [[redeco]] of Windblade not only has many of her coloring details changed, but in fact mostly stands out for its new accessory: a gigantic [[Spectrospear]] pole-arm which is taller than Windblade herself. The tooling for this weapon was originally used for the 16"-tall electronic version of ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' ''[[Titan Heroes]]'' [[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys|Bumblebee]].

:This version of Windblade was only available in a [[giftset|gift set]] together with ''Combiner Hunters'' redecos of ''Generations'' [[Arcee (G1)/toys#CHunters|Arcee]] and [[Chromia (G1)#CHunters|Chromia]], each with their own giant new melee weapons. In the U.S., this set was [[exclusive]] to the [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] website and the Hasbro Toy Shop booth at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2015. In Asia, it was also available at Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong 2015 and subsequently stocked by Toys"R"Us Hong Kong. Later, it was also available at The Falcon's Hangar booth at Singapore Toy, Game & Comic Convention 2015.

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====Titans Return====
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Titan-Force-Windblade.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|And next year, Hasbro will release a ''different'' version of me in an exclusive three pack.]]
*'''Titan Force''' (Gift set, [[2016]])
**''Accessories:'' Sword, Sheath

:Titan Force Windblade is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Windblade (RID)#WarriorClass|Warrior Class Windblade]] in a colour scheme reminiscent of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. She was only available in a [[giftset|gift set]] together with ''Titan Force'' redecoes of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)#TitanForce|Sentinel Prime]] and [[Brainstorm (G1)#TitanForce|Brainstorm]],

:In the United States, this set was [[exclusive]] to the [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] website and the Hasbro Toy Shop booth at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2016. In the United Kingdom, it was exclusive to the A1 Toys website and their booth at London Film & Comic Con 2016 (with Brainstorm renamed into "Charon" for [[trademark]] reasons); in China, it was exclusive to Cybertron Con Shanghai; in Hong Kong, it was exclusive to Animation-Comic-Game 2016; and in Canada, it was exclusive to the HasbroStore booth at Fan Expo 2016.

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[[File:TitansReturn-Windblade.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|And then Hasbro said, "Wait, we can make ''anyone'' into Titan Masters?"]]
*'''Scorchfire & Windblade''' (Deluxe Class, [[2017]])
**''Accessories'': Swords, [[Scorchfire#Generations|Scorchfire]] Titan Master

: Windblade is an extensive [[retool]] of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Deluxe Class [[Highbrow (G1)#Generations|Highbrow]] (who was already an extensive retool of the same line's [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Scourge]], the three only sharing the innermost torso assemblies and the upper legs), transforming into a VTOL jet. She comes with the [[Titan Master]] [[Scorchfire]], who fits into her vehicle mode cockpit and transforms into her robot mode head. As with other ''Titans Return'' toys, Windblade can accommodate any Titan Master figure in both robot and vehicle mode. Windblade's two swords can stow on her back or combine into a larger weapon/Titan Master vehicle which can also attach just behind the cockpit in jet mode.

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===Legends===
[[File:Legends Windblade.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Better red than dead.]]
*'''Windblade''' (Deluxe Class, 2015-[[February 14|02-14]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''LG12'''
**''Accessories:'' Sword, scabbard, tessen

:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Windblade is a redeco of ''Thrilling 30'' Windblade with various changes in color layout, mostly in [[Alternate mode|vehicle mode]] which features much more red. Her wings and much of her fuselage are cast in red, pushing most of the black to her tail section and some highlights such as around the VTOL fans. Her nosecone features more extensive white paint and some new yellow eye-like markings on her nosecone, as well as a translucent dark blue canopy. In [[robot mode]] she has some changes to be more comic-accurate, like a slightly different hue of her Stormfall blade, red pelvis with black upper legs and much more accurate facepaint.

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[[File:TF-Legends-LG-62-Targetmaster-Windblade.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Pinpointer? I barely knew 'er! (I'm sorry)]]
*'''Targetmaster Windblade''' (Deluxe Class, [[2018]]-[[February 24|02-24]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''LG62'''
**''Accessories:'' Sword, scabbard, Headmaster, [[Pinpointer (G1)#Legends|Pointech]] Targetmaster partner

:The second ''Legends'' figure of Windblade is a redeco of her ''Titans Return'' figure, once again featuring paint apps that make her resemble her comic coloration a bit better. Among these are a white nosecone and VTOL fans, completely black shoulders, and black knees with blue highlights (similar to those seen in her character art at the top of the page). Windblade ditches the Titan Master-compatible swords in exchange for a sword and scabbard similar, if not identical, to her ''Thrilling 30''/''Legends'' one. She also gains a Targetmaster partner that uses the same transformation scheme as [[Recoil (G1)#Legends|Recoil]], but is decoed to resemble [[Pinpointer (G1)#Legends|Pinpointer/Pointech]]. Her Headmaster gimmick remains intact.

==Notes==
[[File:Windblade concept.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The face of [[democracy]].]]

*Windblade is the first "officially fan-created" Transformer ever, the culmination of [[Hasbro]]'s "[[Fan Built Bot]]" initiative program. Two polls on Hasbro's official website allowed fans to determine her character and physical traits (well, ''most'' of her traits - her [[Japan]]ese motifs ''weren't'' an option in the poll and seem to be the work of the design team).
**From [[April 18]]th to [[May 5]]th, 2013,<ref>http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=757648</ref> fans decided her faction (Autobot over Decepticon), alternate mode (jet over car, truck, tank, spaceship, terran beast [land], avian beast [airborne], helicopter, motorcycle, and construction), signature weapon (sword over blaster cannon, flame thrower, mace, spear/harpoon, morning star, Cybertronian taser, nunchucks, crossbow, and long-range blaster), color scheme (red & black over green & gold, blue & silver, orange & white, or purple & bronze) and personality (valiant over sneaky, hotshot, secretive, wild man, and grumpy).<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll/27089/</ref>
**From [[May 10]]th to [[May 17]]th, fans voted on name (Windblade over Autobot Eclipse, Charon, Centuritron, Cashtron, Autobot Wraith), gender (female over male), origin (from Kaon over Iacon, Altihex, Kalis, and Praxus) and specialty (telepath over combat medic, bodyguard, recon, and close combat specialist).<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll-second-round/27272/</ref>
**Subsequently, Windblade was revealed at [[San Diego Comic-Con|San Diego Comic-Con 2013]], where concept sketches of her (and the piece of finished art to the right) were part of the ''Transformers'' brand presentation.
**Some of the concepts that fans voted for were tweaked or outright dropped when Windblade made her official debut. Rather than hailing from Kaon, she originated on the planet Caminus. Instead of being broadly telepathic, Windblade's job was being a cityspeaker for Metroplex.
*Concept sketches at San Diego Comic-Con showed that European knight (with visor, arm shield, and fencing foil-esque sword) and Roman warrior (with twin swords) concepts for Windblade were considered before her Japanese stylings were finalized. A different pre-production sketch gave her a Japanese hand-fan weapon in addition to her sword. Speaking of her Japanese motifs, her finalized helmet was apparently designed to resemble the hairstyle commonly worn by the ''{{w|onna bugeisha}}'', the upper-class warrior-women of feudal Japan.
*At [[Toy Fair 2014]], Windblade was noted as being the handiwork of designer [[Lenny Panzica]], who put "probably five times as much energy" into her as the rest of his workload. A [https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/723592181044312 gallery] of his work was posted by Hasbro on Facebook.
*Her name works on many levels: "Wind Blade" is a real variety of industrial fan blade; she turns into a jet with VTOL turbofans; Hasbro designers had said they envisioned her coursing more energy into her sword blade through a spinning turbine fan in the hilt; she has a tessen, or iron fan; and, of course, she was the fans' choice character.
*Like all non-toy robot Kreons in the ''Kre-O'' manga, Windblade is made from existing ''Kre-O'' parts. She uses the [[Mirage (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Mirage]] helmet, the [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Starscream]] wing-pack and the curved blade first used by [[Insecticon (WFC)#Kre-O|Insecticon]] and [[Rampage (G1)#Kre-O|Rampage]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Windblade''' (ウインドブレード ''Uindoburēdo'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Fēngrèn''' (China, 风刃, "Windblade")

==See also==
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*[[Windblade (RID)|Windblade]], the Autobot on a mission from [[Primus|God]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
*[[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]], the protective friend to [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|Bumblebee]] from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]''.}}

==References==
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==External links==
*{{i|Windblade}} at the IDW Hasbro Wiki

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Unicron/Generation 1

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[[File:IDW Unicron Alex Milne.jpg|upright=2|thumb|I usually don't look nearly as cool as this.]]
A '''Unicron''' or lots of Unicrons did lots of stuff in the [[Primax]] universal cluster. It's not all very clear.

{{quote|Something evil's watching over you Comin' from the sky above And there's nothing you can do|''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''}}

==Generation 1 cartoon continuity==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Orson Welles]] (English, ''The Movie''), [[Roger C. Carmel]] (English), [[Toshio Ishii]] (Japanese), [[Mizuho Suzuki]] (Japanese, ''The Movie'')|[[Chen Chun]] (Chinese, ''The Movie''), [[Zhan Che]] (Chinese), [[Jean-Claude Michel]] (French, ''The Movie''), [[Manfred Schmidt]] (German, "Ghost in the Machine"), [[Thomas Rau]] (German, "Grimlocks New Brain"), [[Werner Abrolat]] (German, ''The Movie'' TV Dub), [[Thomas Albus]] (German, ''Generation 2'' "Ghost in the Machine"), [[Guillermo Romano]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Garcia Neto]] (Brazilian Portuguese), [[János Bácskai]] (Hungarian, Second Movie Dub)}}
[[File:Unicroncall.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|So anyway, in this one continuity I'm built by a monkey. Sorry.]]
Unicron was constructed by the ancient genius known as [[Primacron]] at the dawn of the universe. Primacron had hoped that Unicron would scour the galaxy clean of life, leaving a blank slate for him to experiment upon, but naturally, Unicron had no desire to be the servant of another, and turned on Primacron, badly wounding him and his [[Oracle (G1)|assistant]], and setting out into the depths of space. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

[[File:TFTM Unicron Lithone.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|I see you down there!]]
In the year [[2005]], Unicron made his most famous attack upon Cybertron. While heading towards the planet, he consumed the small world of [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]], making it perfectly clear how great of a threat he was to the entire universe. As he continued on his way, Unicron's powers allowed him to become aware of the death of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], who handed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] just before dying, which angered him tremendously. He then came upon the bodies of several wounded and dying Decepticons, who had been dumped into space following a [[Battle of Autobot City|recent battle]] on Earth. He extended a proposition to the Decepticons' leader, [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], offering to rebuild his body and those of his troops in exchange for their destruction of the Autobot Matrix of Leadership. Tortured into accepting, Megatron was transformed into [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]], and his followers became [[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]], [[Scourge (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Scourge]], and the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]].

[[File:TFTM Unicron smashes cybertron.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.25|Unicron smash!]]
While Galvatron set about reclaiming leadership of the Decepticons, Unicron arrived at Cybertron, and proceeded to consume the planet's two moons. Outraged that Unicron would do this to a planet that he viewed as his, Galvatron found himself the victim of mental torture by his creator, and ordered to Earth to complete the task given him. The ensuing chase finally climaxed in a showdown on the [[Junkion (planet)|planet of Junk]], where Galvatron seized the Matrix and returned to Unicron, only to reveal that he intended to use the talisman to make Unicron his slave. Amused by his pawn's arrogance, Unicron transformed into his [[Scale|gigantic]] [[robot mode]] and ate Galvatron. Unicron then tore into Cybertron, as [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and the rest of the Decepticons on the planet fought back, to little effect. Unicron swallowed many spaceships, and one, which contained the young Autobot [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] and his comrades, crashed through Unicron's eye. Hot Rod and Galvatron battled deep inside Unicron, and ultimately, Hot Rod was able to retake the Matrix from the Decepticon. Transformed by its power into Rodimus Prime, he defeated Galvatron and opened the Matrix inside Unicron, destroying his body from within.

Unicron's head was blown clear during his death throes, and became caught in Cybertron's gravity, turning it into a new moon for the planet — a grisly testament to the satellites he had destroyed. {{Storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
{{note|Unicron’s involvement in these events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the comic mini-series “[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]],” the storybook “[[Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)|Transformers the Movie]]” and the "Special Edition The Transformers: The Movie extra page" of "[[Transformers: The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe]]."}}

[[File:Unicron head orbit.jpg|right|thumb|Incoming message from the [[Grand Mal|Big, Giant Head]]!]]
In the year [[2006]], Cyclonus, Scourge and the Sweeps visited Unicron's head, seeking to locate Galvatron, who had been hurled into space at the conclusion of his battle with Rodimus Prime. After accessing the remaining databanks and replaying footage of the final battle, Cyclonus extrapolated Galvatron's trajectory and current location. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}}

On the planet home to the monster known as [[Chaos (alien)|Chaos]], [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] proclaimed that Galvatron would be "more famous in history than Unicron" once Galvatron destroyed Cybertron with his newly-built death crystal cannon. {{storylink|Chaos (episode)|Chaos}}

[[File:GhostMachine Unicron starscream jumpers.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|left|Unicron's glad he got that Triple-A membership.]]
Later, the ghost of the deceased Decepticon [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] reactivated Unicron's head in order to make a bargain with him; in exchange for Unicron restoring his body, Starscream would recreate Unicron's. Stealing new optic circuits and a transformation cog for Unicron from [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], Starscream was then directed to connect Unicron's head to Cybertron, so that the planet could become his new body. Starscream initially attempted to do this by using Trypticon's body, but Trypticon was deactivated by the Decepticons. Unicron restored Starscream's body so that he could finish the task, but Starscream (somewhat predictably, being Starscream) double-crossed Unicron and refused to complete the necessary connections. Just then, explosives set by the Autobots were detonated, hurling Unicron's head off the planet, beyond its gravity, and out into space. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (G1)|Ghost in the Machine}}

Seeking a supply of the dangerous particles known as [[anti-electron]]s, Galvatron and the Decepticons traveled to Unicron's head, only to come under attack from the defenses of the barely-aware giant. Also present was the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]], [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]], who used components from Unicron's head to create the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] to fight Galvatron's forces. The Technobot [[Strafe (G1)|Strafe]] disconnected enough of Unicron's internal mechanisms to deactivate his systems, apparently killing the evil giant. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}

While a much older Primacron mused about how his new creation, [[Tornedron]], would succeed where "the other" had failed, the giant, damaged head of Unicron was visible floating along in the depths of space, where it had apparently faded to a dull grey. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====''Legends'' comic====
Unicron knew the Matrix built into the [[Oracle (G1)|Oracle]] by Primacron was the one thing that could defeat him, so upon rebelling against his creator, his first act was to destroy the Oracle in an attempt to eliminate it. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Grand Maximus)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}}

====Wars manga====
Unicron took notice when [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] and [[Dark Hot Rod]] were merged into one being. {{storylink|Rodimus Wars}}

====''Story of Binaltech''====
Due to the temporal machinations of a [[Ravage (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ravage]] with knowledge of the future, in one timeline Unicron met with Autobot troops when he attacked Cybertron, instead of Decepticons. He nonetheless destroyed many Cybertronians and devoured one of Cybertron's moons before Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus left to confront the evil planet with the power of the Matrix. {{storylink|Darkest Hour (prose)|Darkest Hour}} Optimus was badly damaged during the journey to Unicron, leaving Ultra Magnus to infiltrate the titan's body alone. Though Ultra Magnus had not been chosen by the Matrix, he pleaded his case to the ancient artifact, and was allowed to unleash its power to destroy Unicron's body. {{storylink|Binal Time}}

====''Kiss Players''/''Teletraan Go! Go!''====
[[File:TGGUni1.jpg|thumb|Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha]]
Following his destruction in 2005, Unicron's [[Angolmois|lifeforce]] was scattered across time and space, fragmented and parasitized into Autobot and [[Maximal]] leaders throughout history. In 2007, three of his servants, the [[Sparkbot]]s, sought to recreate their master, and tricked the human singing group, the [[Kiss Players (singing group)|Kiss Players]]—[[Marissa Faireborn]], [[Atari Hitotonari]], and [[Shaoshao Li]]—into helping them in their task by telling them that they were gathering the fragments of the so-called "Allspark".

[[File:TGGUni2.jpg|thumb|left|Oh god ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha]]
[[Primus]] was forced to take action to stop their mission, appearing as a giant golden hand to steal away the energy fragments before the Sparkbots could collect them, but eventually, the evil trio collected enough to accomplish their dire task. Fleeing back in time to [[Earth]]'s prehistoric past, they unleashed the energy and Unicron began to form around them. Following the Sparkbots back to the past, Primus unleashed the full firepower of his mobile battle platform's cannon, sealing Unicron's energy and the Sparkbots deep within the planet. He then created the mighty [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Brave Maximus]] to serve as a guardian and ensure that the evil being was never again reborn. {{storylink|Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)|Kiss Players radio drama #51}}

Unfortunately for everyone except Unicron, Brave Maximus would go on to leave the Earth in 2007, leaving the chaos-bringer's life-force unguarded. {{storylink|Sparkbots Volume 5}} {{storylink|Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)|Kiss Players radio drama #39}}
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====''Masterpiece'' toy bios====
[[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]] wore the Decepticon badge but in reality was loyal only to Unicron, seeking to bring about his creator's return. {{storylink|Nemesis Prime (G1)#Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'' Black Convoy toy bio}}

====''Unite Warriors''====
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In [[2021]], [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]]'s ghost possessed [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], ordering him to take him to Unicron. The pair approached Unicron's remains, sealed away in the [[Triple Z Point]], so that they could build a new body from the god's carcass. However Unicron was still conscious and far from powerless. He struck a deal with the two [[Decepticon]]s; Unicron would reach out throughout the multiverse and pluck from their realities several 'bots who shared Galvatron's lust for revenge. Together, they would form a new "[[Grand Galvatron]]" body for the Decepticon leader, and leave Unicron's own body untouched. Galvatron agreed to Unicron's terms, and [[Roller (G1)|Roller]], [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]], and [[Breakdown (WFC)|War Breakdown]] were brought to their universe. [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]'s ghost also turned up, and Unicron granted him a partial corporeal body to form the last component of Galvatron's new form. Unicron then ordered those before him to go out and conquer Cybertron in his name, but Galvatron was already scheming to betray his benefactor as he took off into space. {{storylink|Grand Galvatron Chapter}}

[[File:BaldigusChapter2 UnicronPlanetBody.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
Through Thrust, [[Trickdiamond]] contacted Unicron to strike a deal, agreeing to help him conquer Cybertron. {{storylink|Megatronia Chapter}} Before making his move, Unicron reached through time itself and recruited the [[Commando (RID)|Combatrons]] from the distant future to serve him. He reformatted his new troops into new bodies, then had his head travel back to Cybertron where Thrust and Trickdiamond provided him with the [[joint energon]] he needed to combine with the planet itself. As he began to transform Cybertron into his new body, Unicron took out Galvatron, announcing that he'd expected his betrayal and also that he would go on to destroy all Transformers, undoing the Combatrons' future. The angered Combatrons turned on him in the form of [[Ruination (RID)|Baldigus]], but Unicron pacified them by summoning his Matrix Hunter minion, [[Grand Scourge]], who tricked Baldigus with his resemblance to [[Scourge (RID)|Black Convoy]]. {{storylink|Baldigus Chapter, Part One}}

As Unicron came closer to completely taking over Cybertron, cracks in space-time began to appear because of the many dimension-hoppers and time-travelers he'd brought over, forcing the Autobots and Decepticons to team up to defeat him and undo the cracks. While he was distracted by an attack from several combiners, Unicron's head was ripped out of Cybertron by Baldigus and thrown into space, where a barrage from the combiners and a mighty punch from Optimus Prime and Roller sent him flying back to the Triple Z Point. {{storylink|Baldigus Chapter, Part Two}}
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====''The Battlestars''====
[[File:DarkNovaCron1.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|left|Dark Nova Diet Soda.]]
Somewhere beyond the year [[2025]], the Ultimate Emperor [[Dark Nova]] seized command of the Decepticons. The spectral entity was described as appearing "very much like Unicron", though further details on his origin had never been divulged. {{storylink|Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)/src#After 2025|Japanese Generation 1 timeline}}

====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
:''See [[#Beast Wars cartoon 2|#Beast Wars cartoon]]''

====Yokohama Decepticon Secret Base====
[[File:Yokohama Unicron Tarantulas.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7]]
[[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] was an agent of Unicron, and worked on his behalf to form a plot that would result in the destruction of the [[Transformers Expo]] in [[2014]]. [[Doctor Arkeville]] was also likely influenced by Unicron into producing [[Yokohama Convoy|Nemesis Prime]], who would serve as the vessel for the [[Dark Energon]] that would destroy the Expo. However, the plan ultimately failed thanks to Nemesis Prime's inherent sense of justice. In the end, though, Doctor Arkeville still stood as a subject of Unicron. {{storylink|Yokohama Decepticon Secret Base}}
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====''Beast Wars II'' cartoon====
At some point in the far future, human beings discovered Unicron's lifeforce within the Earth, and attempted to harness it for their own means. This resulted in the devastation of the planet Earth, reducing it to a ruin, {{storylink|Emissary of the Fourth Planet}} but the fame of this "mysterious energy" that had been called "[[Angolmois|Angolmois energy]]" was far-reaching, and eventually, tens of thousands of years after the end of the Great War between the Autobots and Decepticons, the Predacon leader [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] attempted to harvest it for himself. {{storylink|The New Forces Arrive!}} Using his artificial planet, [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]], he sucked a large amount of the Angolmois energy out of the planet and into the vessel. However, after the interference of [[Lio Convoy]] and [[Lio Junior]], all of the stolen Angolmois energy was sealed into capsules and ejected from Nemesis as it self-destructed. {{storylink|Farewell! Lio Convoy}}

====''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Tetsuo Komura]] (Japanese)}}
[[File:BeastWarsNeoUnicron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6]][[File:BWNeo Unicron.JPG|thumb|300px|If you wanted to be pink, Unicron, you could've just possessed Arcee.]]
Teams of Maximals and Predacons, led by [[Big Convoy]] and [[Magmatron]] respectively, then raced to collect the Angolmois capsules, as their energy effects were wreaking havoc on planets all over the galaxy. {{storylink|Big Convoy, Move Out}}

They eventually collected all the capsules only to find themselves attacked by the mysterious and freakish [[Blentron]]s. The Blentrons, in truth servants of Unicron seeking to engineer his rebirth, proved nearly invincible, and stole the capsules from each team. {{storylink|Mysterious Beast Warriors!?}} They released the Angolmois energy and allowed it to possess Galvatron's dead body, restoring Unicron to life in a new form. {{storylink|Unicron Revived!?}} Unicron absorbed the last remaining ounce of stray Angolmois energy—the Blentrons themselves—and left to settle his score with Cybertron. [[Great Convoy]] attempted to hold Unicron off with the entire Maximal armada, but Unicron's fiery serpent mode proved too much and he effortlessly destroyed the armada and Great Convoy along with it. Unicron then possessed [[Vector Sigma]], the mother computer of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], effectively possessing the planet, and morphed Cybertron into his new body. {{storylink|End of the Maximals!?}}

Unicron then briefly exited Vector Sigma to deal with the last remaining Cybertronian resistance. Big Convoy, his Maximal new recruits, Lio Convoy, and Magmatron all fought side-by-side against Unicron, but all they managed to do was stall him. Big Convoy then powered up his Big Cannon with his own [[Energon Matrix|Matrix]], transforming it into the Matrix Buster. Big Convoy shot Unicron with the weapon, the powerful blast seemingly destroying the Chaos Bringer. {{storylink|The Final Battle (BWN)|The Final Battle}} With Unicron's spirit evicted from Vector Sigma, Cybertron returned to normal. The Maximals and Predacons then put aside their differences to help rebuild the planet. {{storylink|Graduation Ceremony!!}}

====''Cloud''====
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===Rodimus vs. Cyclonus===
Upon being created by Unicron and charged with stealing the Matrix from Ultra Magnus, Cyclonus and Scourge vowed to prove themselves to Galvatron in battle, pledging their allegiance to him rather than the Chaos Bringer. While his creations were already plotting to overthrow him, Unicron was busy devouring one of Cybertron's moons. {{storylink|Rodimus vs. Cyclonus}}

===''Wings Universe''===
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[[File:HtF-RookUnicronandUnicorn.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
[[Apelinq (BM)|Apelinq]] considered the return of Unicron to be a less daunting challenge than a mandatory meditation session and lecture for the [[Cybertronian Knight]]s by [[Cheetor (BW)|Alpha Trizer]]. {{storylink|Tornado - Decepticon Saboteur|Apelinq's personal log, 2015/01/07}}

Time-traveling to the future when Cybertron would theoretically be at peace and therefore unprepared for threats, the [[Star Seeker]]s tried to use Unicron's head to drain all the energon out of Cybertron. A battle ensued aboard Unicron's head when the Cybertronian Knights arrived to stop them. However, the battle was prematurely ended when Alpha Trizer revealed to Star Seeker Captain [[Cannonball (G1)|Cannonball]] that Cybertron in 2984 was techno-organic and thus no longer operated on energon. Most of the pirates were then arrested, but during the battle [[Shokaract|Hunter]] was lured away by Unicron's voice to a transwarp portal that led into the past. There, at Unicron's urging, Hunter touched the [[Matrix of Conquest]] and became Shokaract! {{storylink|Hoist the Flag}} Upon his transformation into Unicron's herald, Shokaract contemplated new evils and set his sights on the metal sphere still being orbited by Unicron's deactivated head. {{storylink|Legacy (issue)|Legacy}}

===Fun Publications===
[[Vector Prime]] noted the Unicron of [[Primax 984.17 Alpha]] was not part of the multiversal Unicron singularity. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/05/22}} However, such distinctions would later cease to exist as [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]] no longer did. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}}
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===Ask Vector Prime===

During Unicron's approach to Cybertron, [[Gong]] and [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] began playing with universal streams, causing elements of a [[Gargent]] stream to interact with the [[Primax]] stream Unicron currently inhabited. As a result, many of the warriors Unicron reformatted for [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] were [[Renegade]]s, including Deadlift (the tracker) and his Sweeps, Fracture (the warrior) and her armada.

Despite this, events unfolded much as they were meant to, culminating in the final battle between [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and Galvatron inside Unicron. Once Hot Rod claimed the Matrix and became Rodimus Prime, he unleashed its power and destroyed Unicron from the inside out. {{storylink|Echoes and Fragments}}

===''Deviations''===
In a timeline where Optimus managed to kill Megatron during their final battle, Unicron nonetheless made his way toward Cybertron, pausing briefly to devour the dead and dying Deceptions thrown out of Astrotrain. He proceeded to Cybertron, where he interrupted Starscream’s coronation. At the behest of Soundwave, Starscream flew out to bargain with the planet-eater. They reached a bargain: Starscream was upgraded into “Megascream”, and his inner retinue of warriors were granted the ability to combine with their new leader, in exchange for Starscream’s servitude.

Unicron eventually grew tired of his new herald’s whining, and skipped chowing down on the Moonbases in favour of going straight for Cybertron, shrugging off Megascream’s pleas. Optimus Prime vowed to stop Unicron, but Megascream ultimately defeated the Autobot leader on Unicron’s surface. At the last moment, Hot Rod opened the Matrix—destroying Unicron, Megascream, and himself. {{storylink|Transformers: Deviations|Deviations}}

==Marvel Comics continuity==
===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
[[File:PrimalScream-Unicron.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Unicron is furious that he's been miscolored again.]]
{{quote|It is '''Unicron''' -- the Dark God, the Chaos-Bringer. But these are just '''names''', tags created by small, frightened beings. It is '''force of nature''', tearing, destroying and eating -- '''everything in its path!'''|The narrator|[[On the Edge of Extinction!]]}}
Millions of years after Primus and Unicron entombed themselves inside planetoids and went their separate ways, circa the Earth year [[1990]] a group of Transformers discovered the sleeping form of Primus at Cybertron's core. When a battle erupted, a stray laser blast struck Primus, briefly jolting the god awake and causing him to emit a multiverse-shaking "Primal Scream" that alerted Unicron to Primus's location. Primus himself immediately slipped back into his sleep, but it was too late. {{storylink|The Primal Scream}} {{storylink|Bird of Prey!}} Knowing the severity of the situation, Optimus approached an altar within the Ark, hoping to be granted a mystical vision which would guide him on his mission to stop Unicron. He witnessed the Creation Matrix being corrupted by evil in his vision, as well as Unicron's imminent encroachment! {{storylink|Kings of the Wild Frontier.}}

[[File:EyeoftheStorm-possiblefutureUnicron.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|For over a decade, this was considered to be yet another one of Unicron's lies. But now it isn't. Gotta love retcons!]]
While devouring the planet [[Ghennix]], Unicron took note of three criminals who were attempting to escape their fate. Unicron destroyed their vessel and recreated the three as [[Hook, Line, and Sinker]]. As the distance to Cybertron was vast and he was too large to teleport, he ordered them to retrieve a [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] from a [[Rhythms of Darkness!|possible future]] to serve as his herald. {{storylink|All Fall Down}} Though this Galvatron was angry at being plucked from his victorious timeline, Unicron tortured him until he agreed to be his herald. Still, this Galvatron secretly plotted his eventual treachery. Unicron sent all four of them to attack Cybertron and pave the way for his coming. {{storylink|Eye of the Storm}}

The looming threat of Unicron was so great that Optimus willingly surrendered his forces to Scorponok in a bid to unite both factions, and meet against the Chaos Bringer as a single force. {{storylink|Surrender!}}

So close to Cybertron he could ''taste it'', Unicron decided to forgo consumption of the planet [[Jhi]] and hasten on his way to the ultimate confrontation. His herald Galvatron, however, captured Autobot leader [[Emirate]] [[Xaaron]], forcing him to fully awaken Primus. Suspecting treachery on Galvatron's part, Unicron sent Hook, Line and Sinker to retrieve him from the subterranean tunnels of Cybertron, but Galvatron destroyed them, and Primus was woken from his slumber. Unicron's arch-foe possessed Xaaron's body and summoned Transformers from all across the universe back to Cybertron. {{storylink|Out of Time!}}

Unicron shut down his higher mental functions and drifted for the remainder of the journey to hide himself from detection by Primus. At this point, a mental command that Unicron had placed in some of Primus's creations was activated, resulting in the formation of a cult of Unicron-worshipers, who gathered to destroy the leader of the united Autobots and Decepticons. These [[Acolyte of Unicron|Unicron cultists]] were drawn out when [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] was named commander of Primus's army. The cultists tried to assassinate the [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]]; they failed, but distracted the Cybertronians long enough for Unicron to sneak up on the planet. {{storylink|The Void! (US)|The Void!}}

[[File:Edgeofextinction-someonefight.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|''He's got the whooooole world, in his feet...'']]
After Unicron dug his fist into the planet and ate the flesh of his mortal enemy, he noted that this was the finest meal he had ever tasted. However, he was somewhat disappointed to find that the gathered Transformers were simply so terrified of him that there was no resistance to his attack. As he devoured [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] from the tip of his finger, he admitted that despite their lack of showmanship, they were at least delicious.

Unicron's unchecked rampage was soon ensnared by Primus himself, speaking through Emirate Xaaron's body. For a short moment, Unicron was restrained, but when he deduced that this ruse was a big show put on by an insignificant portion of Primus's power, he broke free and destroyed the avatar of Primus, killing both Xaaron and his creator.

Galvatron, who was worried his treachery was going to waste, attacked Unicron, hoping his bravery would stir the Transformers into action. Galvatron was smacked down, but his gambit paid off as the Transformers snapped out of their collective stupor and began a counter-attack against the Chaos-Bringer. Countless Transformers died in this assault, including the Decepticon leader [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]]. But Transformers weren't the only ones attacking him. Briefly fazed by the illusion-casting powers of the [[human]] [[Neo-Knights|Neo-Knight]] [[Rapture]], Unicron's systems were attacked by the electrical powers of [[Circuit Breaker (G1)|Circuit Breaker]].

[[File:OntheEdgeofExtinction-toomuch.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|For soon you will have life. ''Sweet'' life.]]
After being clocked by the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], Unicron received another surprise: the thought-lost Creation Matrix had returned, along with its vessel, [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]. Unicron was at first confused, as he'd sensed the Matrix's destruction, but quickly realized that the Matrix had not been destroyed, but had merely been masked by its seduction by evil. And in the realm of evil, Unicron had no equal! Thunderwing was destroyed, but the Matrix fell to the planet's surface.

Fighting the evil within the Matrix, Optimus Prime grabbed the artifact and launched into Unicron's maw, where the Creation Matrix was opened. While being pummeled by the flood of life unleashed by the Matrix, Unicron's body could not maintain structural integrity and exploded. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}} {{storylink|Still Life!}}

[[File:JudgmentDay-mist.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|So, seriously, what was up with this stuff?]]
In an alternate 2005, Unicron's consumption of the planet [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]] was heralded first by strange pink mists<ref>The original script called this an "electronic mist". It sets you on fire and melts you.</ref> that leaked from his planet mode's maw. On route to Cybertron, he encountered an injured [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and the bodies of his troops. He offered them new bodies in exchange for hunting down the Matrix. Though Megatron refused the offer at first, Unicron was able to persuade him by emitting more of his corrosive mist. Megatron was remade as Galvatron, and his troops were reborn as Cyclonus, Scourge, and the Sweeps. {{storylink|The Planet-Eater!}} As Galvatron was sent forward, Unicron devoured [[Moonbase One]] and [[Moonbase Two]]. [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Bumblebee]] detonated the latter satellite in an attempt to destroy Unicron, but the plan failed utterly, leaving Unicron completely unscathed. {{storylink|Judgment Day!}} Galvatron returned to Unicron with the Matrix, but he intended to use it to make Unicron his slave. In retaliation, Unicron attacked Cybertron in earnest, as the planet was helpless against his assault. Ultimately, during a battle that took place inside Unicron, Rodimus Prime claimed the Matrix of Leadership from Galvatron and the Planet-Eater was destroyed from within. Only his head survived, and it remained in orbit over Cybertron. {{storylink|The Final Battle!}} {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}}

{{note|In the UK version of the story, the events of "The Big Broadcast of 2006" were a fabrication invented by [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]. Also, the UK printing of the animated film adaptation altered the date from 2005 to 2006 to match "[[Target: 2006]]".}}

====Rhythms of Darkness!====
In another alternate 2005, a dying Megatron was found by Unicron. Unicron refashioned Galvatron into his herald, {{storylink|A Savage Circle}} and through their combined efforts, Unicron succeeded in devouring Cybertron. In the aftermath, he allowed Galvatron and his Decepticons to rule Earth. {{storylink|Rhythms of Darkness!}}

=====Ask Vector Prime=====
Later in [[Primax 490.0 Gamma]], Unicron stumbled upon the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]]'s [[Hub (G2)|Hub]] and savagely attacked. The Cybertronians fought back, rallying the remaining Autobots from Earth and Decepticons from [[Styx]]. Together, Autobot, Decepticon, and Cybertronian stood as one and destroyed Unicron's physical body. The Chaos-Bringer attempted to retreat to the psychic plane, but the [[Liege Maximo]], at the height of his power, confronted him and sacrificed his spark to permanently expel Unicron from their reality. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/24}}

====Earthforce====
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After [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] accused Optimus Prime of being too focused on Unicron's imminent arrival, to the detriment of [[Earth]]'s troubles, the Dinobot Commander was allowed to create an [[Earthforce]].'' {{storylink|Break-Away!}}

''However, Prime had his work cut out for him. With an attempted Decepticon alliance ruined beyond all recovery and the Matrix still lost, Optimus had to turn to the original site of the [[Underbase]]—as the Underbase was linked to the centre of Cybertron, the Autobots could tap into that centre (and thus Primus himself) as a substitute Matrix.'' {{storylink|The Magnificent Six!}}

====Marvel UK future timelines====
[[File:FallenAngel-Unicron.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|And then Rodimus drove up through his entire body to escape through Unicron's other eye.]]
In a parallel timeline, Unicron did not arrive at Cybertron until the year [[2006]], consuming the small planet [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]] on his way. As he drew closer to Cybertron, Unicron came upon the damaged bodies of Decepticon leader [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity#Marvel UK future timelines|Megatron]] and several of his Decepticon followers, who had been jettisoned into space following a major battle at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] on Earth. Unicron extended Megatron a bargain, offering to rebuild him and his troops into new beings to serve him, and tortured the recalcitrant Decepticon leader into accepting. {{storylink|The Planet-Eater!}} {{storylink|Altered Image!}} Now reborn as [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], Megatron immediately began scheming to destroy his "master", using a [[time-jump mechanism]] to travel back in time to [[1986]], where he constructed a solar cannon that was powerful enough to destroy Unicron's physical form. Fully aware of his pawn's actions, Unicron took control of the minds of [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]], [[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]], and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and had them follow Galvatron back in time to foil his plan. {{storylink|Target: 2006}}

After Galvatron returned to 2006, Unicron devoured Cybertron's moons, much to his servant's dismay. {{storylink|Judgment Day!}} Unicron then attacked Cybertron while Galvatron fought Rodimus Prime within his master's body. Galvatron was defeated and thrown out into space. {{storylink|The Final Battle!}} He still had the remote to the [[time-jump mechanism]] and used it to travel back to 1986 again, where he planned to take over the Decepticons so he'd be ready for Unicron when he arrived 20 years later. {{storylink|Fallen Angel}} {{storylink|Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!}} {{storylink|Hunters}} Unicron himself was destroyed by Rodimus Prime and the Matrix of Leadership in a vast explosion, leaving only his head intact... and, unknown to anyone, that was all he needed to stay alive! {{storylink|The Final Battle!}}

[[File:LegacyofUnicron-Unicron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Silly Junkions, you can buy loose Unicrons on eBay for just $20!]]
His head floated off through space to eventually crash-land on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]. There, the still-conscious Unicron used mind control to force the native [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] to build him a new body out of the planet. At the beginning of [[2008]], he pulled [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]] into his thrall and used them to re-ignite the stalemated Cybertronian war in order to keep the Autobots distracted from his activities. Amused by Death's Head's repeated attempts at defiance, he told him about his origin, only to find himself now under attack by Rodimus Prime and an Autobot strike-team.

This ''almost'' went wrong, as Rodimus (at Death's Head's suggestion) tried to use the power of the Matrix on the astral plane. Here, however, the Matrix ''strengthened'' Unicron and the monster intended to merge with it for greater power. Ultimately, however, he was defeated by [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], who had planted explosives under the head's building site while the Chaos-Bringer was distracted. His head was destroyed, and his mind was sealed within the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]. {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}} {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}

[[File:WhiteFire-mine.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Rodimus rejects Unicron's endorsement of the coal industry.]]
On New Year's Day [[2009]], Unicron attempted to turn the Matrix towards evil and merge with it again, the only way he could bear being trapped within it. {{storylink|White Fire}} He reached out from within it and took control of Rodimus Prime's body, using him to sabotage an Autobot shuttle as it was headed for Earth. Kup caught on that Rodimus wasn't being himself quickly however, and forced Unicron to reveal himself earlier than the dark god had planned. Nonetheless, Unicron managed to force the ship into a crash-landing on Earth. As the dust settled following the impact, Unicron advanced on the Autobots, vowing to tear them limb from limb for their interference. {{storylink|Edge of Impact}} Regalling in the destruction, Unicron boasted that it was only fitting that the Autobots' end came at the hands of their leader. He further taunted them when he realized the Autobots had their blasters set to "stun," mockingly declaring that Rodimus was lost to them forever. {{storylink|Shadow of Evil}} Unicron's rampage was stopped when Kup ripped the Matrix out of Prime's chest. Unfortunately, this meant the Autobots lost their chance to purify the Matrix and that Unicron would be ready for them next time. {{storylink|White Fire}} In 2010, he repeated the trick and transformed Rodimus's body into a copy of his own before being forced back. In the far future of [[2356]], Unicron's essence still resided within the Matrix, steadily withering the struggling body of Rodimus. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}

===''Transformers Comic-Magazin''===
[[File:Tf commag 18.JPG|thumb|upright=1.0|"Urg! Brush your teeth for once, Unicron!"]]
In [[Primax 489.0 Zeta|this reality]], the Decepticons had always followed the commandments of Unicron. Luckily, [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] was able to defeat him on Junkion and the Decepticons suffered a great mental defeat. Unsure if Unicron was dead or not, the Decepticons decided to carry on as if he wasn't. {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 18|The Curse of the Pyramids}}

===Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic===
Optimus remembered Unicron as one of the many threats the Autobots had overcome upon being met by [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] and his [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]]. {{storylink|War Without End!}}

===''Classics''===
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Upon meeting the mysterious Decepticon [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], who claimed to be from [[Aurex 405.0 Epsilon|another dimension]], Megatron's Decepticons were skeptical of his claim, and Megatron ordered Soundwave and Scrapper to scrutinize Landquake. Their research backed up Landquake's story, with Scrapper citing the fact that the presence of Unicron, who Landquake claimed to have [[Revelations Part 6|been battling]], was known to cause spacetime anomalies. {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 2}}

[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] recalled how the Matrix of Leadership was lost in the destruction of Unicron. {{storylink|Shattered Paths}}

===''Regeneration One''===
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Optimus Prime did not easily recover from his death inside Unicron, and even years later suffered visions of the Chaos-Bringer returning to kill him again. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 1}}

Galvatron II, too, recalled Unicron, and [[Primax 490.0 Gamma|his own future timeline]] when Unicron consumed Cybertron against his wishes, leaving him with only Earth to rule. {{storylink|Destiny, Part One}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
The [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]] that would come to threaten [[Aurex 105.08 Alpha]] was originally the body of Unicron from [[Primax 886.0 Gamma]]. After being blasted out of that reality by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], Unicron ended up as the undetected Tenth Planet of Earth's solar system in [[Tyran 609.08 Kappa]], a universe previously devoid of any singularity phenomenon. The universe's binary end-state nature interfered with the comatose Unicron's attempt to recover, and his systems ended up resurrecting many of the Transformers he had consumed. Dubbing their world Planet X, they traveled to [[Primax 290.0 Zeta]] and began a campaign of conquest, only to be thwarted by the Autobots of that universe. The local Autobots used [[Zodiac]] energy to expel Unicron's essence, splitting Planet X in two. Half remained in that universe as a paradise planet while the other half ended up in Aurex 105.08 Alpha, where it finally met its end in war with [[Gigantion|Gigalonia]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/08}}

==''Beast Wars'' cartoon continuity==
===''Beast Wars'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Blu Mankuma]] (English), [[Hidetoshi Nakamura]] (Japanese)}}

[[File:Possession-Unicron.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|This model must have taken them, what, three minutes?]]
When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] appeared on prehistoric [[Earth]] and was questioned by the stranded [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] about how he came to be this way, Starscream "explained" that his body was destroyed by Unicron while serving his master, [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. This was, of course, a misrepresentation, and it was revealed later that it was actually Galvatron himself who killed Starscream. {{storylink|Possession}}

When the [[Vok]] spoke with [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] in Earth's pre-history, they took the form of Unicron's head, claiming that they scanned his mind and chose Unicron as an "authority figure". {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}}

[[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] would later invoke the name of Unicron by referring to [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] as "Unicron's spawn" in a derogatory manner. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}}

===''Beast Machines'' cartoon===
During Megatron's rule of Cybertron, [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] once compared the Predacon's [[Grand Mal|big floating head]] as a "sparkless, floating tribute to Unicron", implying that the Chaos Bringer's head orbited Cybertron after his defeat. By the time of Megatron's rule, however, it had apparently left the planet's orbit, as it was never seen. {{storylink|Prometheus Unbound}}

===3H comics===
After Unicron's entrapment in a lifeless, metal asteroid the dawn of time, {{storylink|Covenant (story)|Covenant}} the dark god recruited the [[Quintesson]]s to seek out the location of his nemesis, [[Primus]]. But when the Quintessons discovered Primus, now having taken the form of the planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], they decided to delay reporting their findings so they could first exploit Primus to their own ends. After finding the "[[Vector Sigma|singular threat]]" to Unicron and discovering how to subvert it, they used it to create a [[Transformer|race of robotic beings]] which they could sell to other worlds for a price. {{storylink|Disclosure}}

[[File:Unicrons dark essence.jpg|thumb|Even Unicron's crap is evil.]]
After his destruction in 2005, while his head was left in orbit around Cybertron, {{storylink|Betrayal}} Unicron's essence was sent spiraling through time and space, to crash on prehistoric Earth, prior to the conflict known as the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] which would occur on the planet. It is unclear if this was a deliberate attempt by Unicron to preserve his power or not, but this "[[Dark Essence]]" seemed to lack any real sentience, suggesting that it was merely Unicron's "power", while his spark remained in his intact head in the future. {{storylink|Paradox}}

[[File:Terminus-Unicron.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Unicron makes his own light saber noises.]]
The Dark Essence was discovered by a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] known as the Hunter, who recognized the dark god's power, and fashioned from the Essence the [[Matrix of Conquest]], a twisted version of the Autobot Matrix of Leadership which he used to conquer and rule over an apocalyptic 32nd Century future, under the name "[[Shokaract]]". Resistance against Shokaract resulted in an attempt by his opponents to travel back in time and destroy the Dark Essence on prehistoric Earth, thereby erasing Shokaract from history, but the villain travelled back in time to stop this effort. [[Point Omega|A massive battle]] between him and Transformers from throughout the multiverse ensued, but eventually, thanks to the efforts of the [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]], history was altered so that Unicron's essence never arrived on prehistoric Earth, erasing this timeline—and Shokaract—from existence. {{storylink|Terminus (issue)|Terminus}}

[[File:PrimevalDawn2-Unicron.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Predicting that Unicron will eventually show up is a pretty safe bet, really.]]
Just after the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] ended on prehistoric Earth, the [[Vok]] assembled a team from the remains of that war to counter [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], Unicron's spawn. [[Primal Prime]], the leader of the Vok's team, had visions of a future apocalypse, involving Unicron, that encompassed every timeline in the [[multiverse]]. {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 2}} After Tarantulas ripped the [[Matrix of Leadership]] from Primal Prime's torso, he oversaw the construction of a [[transwarp]] portal that would allow him to bring his prize as an offering to Unicron. {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 3}}

{{note|Though [[3H Productions|3H]] folded before this story could be completed, Tarantulas would of course not be successful, and the Matrix would be returned to its rightful place. (Because, you know, the [[Transformers: Universe (comic)|''Universe'' stories]] took place chronologically after it.)}}

One week after the [[Great Reformatting]], the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] gangster [[Cryotek (Universe)|Cryotek]] succeeded in acquiring the [[Divine Light]], one of the Quintessons' discarded attempts to subvert the will of Primus. As Cryotek used it steal Primus's power for himself, [[Sentinel Maximus]] warned him that flaunting Primus's power would catch the attention of Unicron and doom them all. Cryotek laughed at this, since Unicron had been dead since three centuries earlier, and the idea of his resurrection was a fairytale believed only by the naive. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}

[[File:UnicronDeathstarII.jpg|thumb|left|Guys. GUYS. Get that ring in the right place, or he'll never be able to eat.]]
Cryotek was defeated, but one year later Unicron struck once more. His body ruined and trapped between universes, he sought to revitalize himself by abducting Transformers from across the multiverse and pitting them against each other within the [[Cauldron]], a dark dimension contained within his own body, absorbing their [[energon radiation]] and eventually consuming their sparks. He chose to kidnap several Autobots and Maximals from [[Primax 797.18 Epsilon|one universe]]'s technorganic Cybertron, but that was also the staging ground from which Primus chose to launch a counterattack. Primus gathered an army from many different universes and put the resurrected [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] at its head. {{storylink|Abduction}} Optimus Primal conducted his opening salvo by infiltrating the Cauldron and engineering a mass jailbreak. {{storylink|OTFCC Live-Action Drama}} {{storylink|Escape (Universe)|Escape}}

[[File:Optimusprimaluniverseend.jpg|thumb|That time Unicron was permanently destroyed across all universes forever, except the ones where he wasn't.]]
These "[[Child of Primus|Children of Primus]]" raided Unicron to free his captives from their prison cities, battling Unicron's own legion of "[[Minion of Unicron (Universe)|Minions]]" all the while. [[Universe War|These conflicts]] escalated for months or perhaps longer, their intensity rivaling the [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|Great Wars]].<ref>Optimus Primal's bio in the [[Revelations Part 3|Transformers Collectors' Club comic #9]]</ref> This all came to an abrupt end during the final battle, when Unicron simply vanished due somehow to the [[Unicron Singularity]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}
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===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===
Before the end of the Great War, the Tripredacus Council had set up a secret base of operations within Unicron's head. Though some of their members worried that they might awaken their "host" with their activites, the amount of Angolmois that had already been siphoned out of the satellite meant this was unlikely to ever happen. {{storylink|Dawn of the Predacus}}

[[File:Ascending4-Shokaractsfuture.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|FOOLISH, DOOMED CREATURE.]]
Sometime after a series of events similar to those of [[Lio Convoy]] and [[Big Convoy]]'s [[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|experiences]] [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|on]] [[Gaia]] in [[Primax 498.1 Alpha|another universe]], Unicron's heralds, the [[Blentron]]s, were instructed by the Chaos Bringer's essence to gather the [[Angolmois]] capsules scattered across the galaxy, which contained Unicron's energy. The taint of Angolmois would cause unrest and violence across Cybertron as the planet tore itself apart in renewed savage mindless conflict. At the same time, Unicron's chosen yet unwitting vessel, Shokaract, was fed Angolmois by the Blentrons, having been convinced that it would grant him the power to be reborn as a god. In one potential timeline, this did indeed happen as Unicron was reborn from Shokaract's corrupted form, and the Chaos Bringer proceeded to consume Cybertron itself. {{storylink|The Ascending issue 1|The Ascending #1}}

However, this was averted before it came to pass—thanks to the actions of the in-temporal-limbo [[Magmatron]], who alerted [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] and by extension Lio Convoy to Unicron's plan and enlightened Shokaract when the tyrant was temporarily shunted into Magmatron's personal purgatory. Realizing what his ascension actually entailed, Shokaract tore the [[Matrix of Conquest|Anti-Matrix]] from his chest, sacrificing himself and ending Unicron's plan at re-ascension. {{storylink|The Ascending issue 4|The Ascending #4}}
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==''Bom Bom'' manga continuity==
===''Beast Wars II'' manga===
After his destruction in 2005, Unicron's displaced lifeforce became trapped within the planet Earth, where it was eventually discovered and manipulated by humankind (who were unaware of its origins). This resulted in the devastation of the planet, but the fame of this "mysterious energy" that had been called "[[Angolmois|Angolmois energy]]" was far-reaching, and eventually, twenty million years after Unicron's destruction, {{storylink|Double Cross}} the Predacon leader [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] travelled to the deserted Earth (now known as [[Gaia]]) and attempted to harvest it for himself.

A Maximal energon survey team was sent to the planet Unicron, but it lost contact with [[Maximal Army Central Headquarters]]. {{storylink|Demolish the Superdreadnought Tank!}}

Galvatron eventually succeeded in sucking-up all the Angolomois energy on Gaia into his artificial planet [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]. {{storylink|All Hands, Make a Special Attack on the Evil Planet!}} The Maximals journeyed to Nemesis to stop him, only for Lio Convoy to become corrupted by the Angolmois energy, turning a Predacon. Lio Convoy was able to channel the true spiritual energy of Gaia through his [[Energon Matrix]] and dispel the taint, restoring himself. He then used that same power to destroy Nemesis, the Angolmois energy, Galvatron and the Predacons. {{storylink|Win the Battle of Light and Darkness!}}

The explosion of Angolmois energy wound up creating new problems, transforming a small group of dinosaurs into the Predacons led by [[Magmatron]]. As they left their homeworld in search of the lost Angolmois energy, a mysterious, supernatural figure (Unicron) looked on in interest. {{storylink|The Beast Wars "Neo" Begin!!!}}

===''Beast Wars Neo'' manga===
[[File:bwn-blackball-manga-01-bigconvoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"Reply hazy, try again"]]
On the planet Gaia, a group of Predacons somehow came into possession of a mysterious spheroid object known as the '''Black Ball'''. The strange artifact was of some importance to the Predacons; it may in fact have told Magmatron that he could rule the galaxy once he had the seven [[Angolmois|Angolmois capsules]].

[[File:bwn-unicron-manga-07-unionfleet.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|*Head not to scale]]
When Big Convoy came to rescue five Maximal rookies who were trapped in the ''[[Galvaburg II]]'' on Gaia, the Maximals found the Black Ball and retrieved it.

After the Maximal returned to the ''[[Gung Ho]]'', they attempted to analyze the Black Ball. However, the Black Ball activated the ship's warp engine. {{storylink|The 5 Rookies}} During the warp, the Black Ball began to speak, telling the Maximals about the Angolmois capsules, which originated from the final conflict between [[Lio Convoy]] and [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] on [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]]. It also told them that there were seven Angolmois capsules scattered across the galaxy in total. The Maximals were warned that they must retrieve all the capsules to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands, or the galaxy would be in extreme danger. The ''Gung Ho'' subsequently arrived at the planet [[Luxor]], where one of the capsules was located. {{storylink|There Are 7 Capsules}}

The Black Ball guided Big Convoy's team to various other places where capsules were located.

When Magmatron, who was in a healing chamber in the ''[[Dinosaur (ship)|Dinosaur]]'' due to wounds caused by Big Convoy, learned that he lost his troops in the battle on [[Jörmungandr]], the Black Ball suddenly appeared. The Black Ball told Magmatron that it could see he was short-handed and offered Magmatron some "helpers"—the [[Blentron]]s, who emerged from within the Black Ball. {{storylink|A Battle Fought Alone}}

The Black Ball told both Big Convoy and Magmatron of the planet where the last capsule was located. Magmatron faced off with Big Convoy there, and ordered the Blentrons to attack the Maximals. One of the Blentrons, however, chose to attack Magmatron instead. The action of the Blentrons baffled both Big Convoy and Magmatron alike. The Black Ball then arrived on the planet's surface.

It was revealed that the Black Ball was actually Unicron himself, or more specifically, his essence, while the Angolmois energy was his life force. Unicron absorbed the six capsules and reformed his head out of the Black Ball. He then revealed that the last capsule was actually both Big Convoy and Magmatron, who were evolved by the power of the Angolmois capsule on their home planet in the [[7th Cosmos]].

[[File:bwn-bigconvoy&unicron-manga-07-1.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"Hey kid, wanna buy some wow?"]]
Big Convoy teamed up with Magmatron to fight against Unicron, but both failed. Big Convoy was saved by [[Heinrad (BWN)|Heinrad]], who told him about Unicron's existence and the plan of the [[Chronarchitect|Ruler of Time and Space]]—to erase the universe and create a new universe without Unicron, the "cancer". After Heinrad was forced to leave due to his interference, Magmatron was chewed up and spat out by Unicron.{{storylink|Double Cross}} Unicron then headed to the planet Cybertron. He latched onto the planet like a parasite and turned it into his new body.

Unicron desired to consume Big Convoy, the last half of the capsule, in order to make his right eye fully functional once more. His physical body was destroyed by Big Convoy after a harsh battle with Big Convoy's crew. However, Unicron's essence emerged from his physical remains and plastered itself onto Big Convoy's body, trying to possess him. Big Convoy removed the [[Energon Matrix|Matrix]] from his chest and unleashed its power, sacrificing himself and successfully destroying Unicron once and for all. {{storylink|Return to Zero}}
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==Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity==
[[File:GenerationOne0-Unicron.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|"Say, do you remember that time Leonardo Leonardo tried to open that convenience store across the street?"]]
Unicron's servant, [[The Fallen]], tried to bring about his second coming by breaking the [[Seal of Primus]], but failed. {{storylink|Conflagration}} Unicron sent a wave of drones and heralds into the universe, with the Alpha Drone, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], arriving on Cybertron 3000 years ago, amidst the [[Great Shutdown]], which he ended when he reactivated Shockwave for research purposes. {{storylink|Generation 1 issue 0|Generation 1 #0}} Shockwave happily shot him and experimented on him, and through these experiments became interesting in uncovering the secrets to Cybertron's history. This curiosity led him to steal the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and activate [[Vector Sigma]], which sent a beam across space that roused Unicron from his slumber. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}} {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}}

Now awake, but not at full power or consciousness, Unicron set out on a course towards [[Earth]]. The planets he consumed along his way, including the planet [[Lithone (planet)|Lithone]], accelerated his rejuvenation quicker than [[Quintesson]] spectators had calculated. Using the raw materials Unicron harvested from Lithone, he created a new batch of drones based on a second body template. Subsequently, [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] burst free from his birthing pod. {{storylink|Generation 1 issue 0|Generation 1 #0}}
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==''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''==
[[File:BlackHorizon2-Unicron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Unicron, [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], what's the diff?]]
Unicron enslaved the population of the worlds he ate to maintain his inner works; one race included the [[Beastformer]]s. He was known about in Transformer legend, and was said to have been banished from his homeworld.

[[File:Unicron's DDP Brain.jpg|left|upright=1|thumb|Who needs all those TV monitors, anyway?]]
Thousands of years ago, when humanity was at a primitive stage, Unicron turned up to devour the Earth. The ancestors of [[Cobra-La]], however, had developed a [[metal-eating spore]] that could potentially kill Unicron. They came to an agreement—they would go into exile, while Unicron would merely eat human civilisation once it had developed to a useful point. Eventually they did, and Unicron began broadcasting announcements of "I Return" as he headed towards Earth. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}} {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2}}

Unicron reached Earth and transformed so as to consume civilization in robot form. [[Japan]] was devastated and humanity collectively wet itself. But the world was saved by [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] and [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]], who flew into the Chaos-Bringer and doused his organic looking brain with Cobra-La's metal-eating spores. Unicron was killed, the world was saved, and [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] went on to explore the dead monster's innards. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2}}

===''The AllSpark Almanac II''===
This particular Unicron came from [[Gargent 984.08 Alpha|a universe]] populated by [[GoBot]]s. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The Allspark Almanac II}}
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==''Universe'' CD-ROM==
[[File:Unicron tfu cdrom.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|I'm gonna steal every single Decepticon every single year. Nobody investigate, mmmkay?]]
In a universe where [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] led the [[Autobot]]s and [[Reptilion]] led the [[Decepticon]]s, a ship arrived once a year when the Transformers' civil war reached a fever pitch. The ship abducted every Decepticon it could find and promptly left.

These Decepticons were brought to Unicron, who was preparing them for an eventual, ultimate battle for the universe. But unknown to even Unicron, Primus, the sentient core of Cybertron, was amassing an army of Autobots that rivalled Unicron's army of Decepticons. Could Primus meet Unicron's challenge, or was the universe doomed? {{Storylink|Universe CD-ROM}}
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==''United''==
During the United battle, the Decepticons revived Unicron from the astral plane. Unicron took an Autobot spaceship as his new body, which he altered into a tank. {{storylink|Unicron/toys#United|Ark Unicron bio}} [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] entered into battle against this new threat. During the fight, Primal's ship, the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'', mysteriously gained a [[spark]] and became a Transformer. The ''Axalon'' was then the Autobot's greatest hope of defeating Unicron. {{storylink|Axalon (BW)#United 2|Axalon bio}}

==''Transformers GT: Mission GT-R'' story pages==
[[File:Unicron GTstorypage.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|right]]
Reborn after a previous defeat, Unicron attacked the [[Transformers GT]] finals and absorbed the Goal Energon, a vast store of energon intended to be awarded to the winner of the race. He then turned his attention toward the [[GT Transformer]]s, intending to devour their energy as well, but was met with resistance from [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|GT-R Maximus]] and his [[Master Jack Sword]]. {{storylink|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (story page)|Bringing Down the Sword}} The assembled GT Transformers used their "Matrix In" ability to combine with their [[GT Sister]]s and regain their true strength, allowing them to defeat Unicron. {{storylink|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (story page)|The True TFGT}}
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==''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''==
Unicron, Primus, and other worlds were spawned from the first living planet, [[Daiakuron]]. A statue depicting their creation was located in the depths of Cybertron, where a group of Autobots and [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joes]] found it while learning of the planet's history. {{storylink|Earth: R.I.P.}}

==''Beast Wars: Uprising''==
At some point in the 21st century, Unicron remade Megatron into Galvatron. {{storylink|Micro-Aggressions}} As in most other realities, he attacked Cybertron during the height of the war, prompting the Autobots and Decepticons to team up and try to destroy him. Thousands upon thousands of Cybertronians died, until a select few with [[Point One Percenter|strange sparks]] managed to do him in. {{storylink|The Inexorable March}}

By the 24th century, traces of his essence remained in the form of [[Break]]'s [[Angolmois Blaster]] {{storylink|Broken Windshields}} and the [[Dark Energon]]-based [[G-Virus]]. {{storylink|Micro-Aggressions}} Despite such evidence to the contrary, [[information creep]] caused some Cybertronians to doubt that Unicron had been real. {{storylink|The Inexorable March}} Some maintained he was a conspiracy theory, made up to accomplish... something, or just outright denied his existence at all. These individuals were dubbed "Unicron Truthers". {{storylink|Derailment}}

==IDW Generation 1 continuity==
:*''First Appearance:'' [[Pax Cybertronia (issue)|Transformers vol. 1 #31]] (referenced); [[First Strike issue 6|First Strike #6]] (depicted)

[[File:FirstStrike6 Welcome Death.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Spoiler alert: [[Matt Trakker]] is gonna be the one that kills him.]]
According to legend, Primus and Unicron were locked in battle for eons, in a war that predated the universe itself. Primus eventually triumphed over his foe and cast him out. The same stories also spoke of Unicron's second coming but that when he came, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s defence would led by [[The Arisen]] who would end the threat posed by the Chaos Bringer. {{storylink|Unicron issue 1|Unicron #1}} In spite of his name being known in religious texts, Unicron was referred to only as "Primus's opposite" in Cybertronian society. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}} {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}}

The creation story believed by the [[Clavis Aurea]] cult thought that Primus had formed as a natural counterbalance to his opposite. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}} {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|Metastasis}} Other legends say that Primus led the original three Titans—[[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]], and [[Chela]]—against his foe. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

The legend of Primus's opposite permeated Cybertronian culture much like Primus himself. In the [[Mistress of Flame]]'s past, an inexplicable and violent confrontation with [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Onyx Prime]] at [[Antilla]] led her to fear that the dead world had been the domain of Primus's opposite, and that Onyx was now aligned with it. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} After the Chaos event, Optimus Prime momentarily wondered if the primordial state of Cybertron was a creation of Primus or his opposite. {{storylink|Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime}}

{{spoiler|Stranger Eons|August 8}}

Knowledge possessed by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] however told a rather different origin for Unicron. According to the Guardian, the world that would eventually become Unicron was inhabited by an advanced alien race that found themselves trapped in a perpetual conflict. To end the fighting, a desperate scientist constructed a machine that would end all life on the planet. When activated, the device's energies proved uncontrollable, devastating the planet and collapsing the star it orbited into a [[black hole]] as well as mutating the inhabitants into [[Dire Wraith]]s. The Wraiths left their lifeless planet in orbit of the black hole where time eventually warped its surface into Unicron. {{storylink|Stranger Eons}}

Whatever the stories, Unicron's existence was no legend. By late 2017, he lay dormant, his true appearance concealed beneath a rocky planet, in orbit of a black hole. When [[Merklynn]] unleashed the energies of the [[Talisman (G1)|Talisman]] within Cybertron, nearly half of the planet's [[energon]] reserves were beamed off into space in the form of a communication signal that translated to "Welcome. Death." The signal reached Unicron's slumbering form and he awoke, parts of his stony shell falling away to reveal the metal core beneath. {{storylink|First Strike issue 6|First Strike #6}} A second signal, sent after [[Galadria]]'s healing spell interacted with [[Wheeljack (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Wheeljack]]'s anti-Talisman bomb and the device proper, was beamed away soon afterwards saying simply "Unicron". While imprisoned, Merklynn used his [[magic]] to foresee Unicron's imminent arrival. {{storylink|The Curtain}} {{storylink|Our Darkest}}

Unicron's first known target was [[LV-117]], consuming it to feed on the [[Ore-1]]. As a result of the Ore's temporal properties, the destruction of this world had been a recorded historical act for many years before Unicron actually consumed it. {{storylink|Syndromica (2)}} {{storylink|Our Darkest}} He then began consuming other ore-seeded Cybertronian colony worlds – first [[Prion]], then [[Gorlam Prime]], and then [[Velocitron]] – and absorbing their mass into his, each extinction increasing his size and power and accelerating the pace of his attacks. {{storylink|Our Darkest}} His insides assimilated and recombined every planet he consumed into a single surreal landscape, all still "alive" in some form. Their inhabitants, similarly assimilated and fused together, became an "immune system" to fight off invaders. {{storylink|Unicron issue 1|Unicron #1}} A week after consuming LV-117, [[Ore-12]] drew Unicron to [[Elonia]]. He swiftly devoured the planet, annihilating the contingent of [[Space Knight]]s that flew out to confront him with a single blast from his maw, though [[Transformer]] intervention saved two-thirds of its fauna and population. Following the planet's destruction, Unicron teleported himself to [[Eukaris]], leaving only fading stars, and began consuming the planet. {{storylink|Our Darkest}} After consuming Eukaris, Unicron devoured [[Arduria]], [[Tsiehshi]], and [[Devisiun]].

After the [[Maximal]]s had aligned themselves with him, Unicron turned his attention towards [[Caminus]], his army engaging the resistance defending the planet. Once the [[Nemesis (BWII)|''Nemesis'']] touched down on his surface, [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]] rammed a hole through it and into Unicron via which he, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]] entered the planet-eater, in the hopes of finding some way to destroy him from within. Within, they witnessed the amalgamated nature of his interior and found a ruined [[Guardian robot|Omega Sentinel]], before being beset by his [[Unicron's antibodies|antibodies]]. The three were rapidly overwhelmed and forced to teleport out, having learned nothing of use. Unicron devoured Caminus shortly afterward (along with the Maximals), though the populace managed to evacuate in time. {{storylink|Unicron issue 1|Unicron #1}}

As he sailed past [[G Nebula 89]], Unicron was confronted by the "[[Decepticon Vengeance Division]]", a fleet of Decepticon warships each capable of destroying planets on their own. The fleet established a [[stasis web]] around the Chaos Bringer to prevent him teleporting away before they unleashed their full might against him. While this was happening, Bumblebee went to consult the comatose Omega Supreme about Unicron, inspired by the sight of the dead Omega Sentinel he saw before, and, somehow communing with him, witnessed a vision of Unicron's origins. Unharmed and unamused by the D.V.D's assault, Unicron unleashed the Maximals on the flagship to meet with [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] before teleporting away, once again leaving fading stars in his wake. Materializing in Cybertron's orbit, Unicron assumed his towering robot mode and prepared to attack the planet. {{storylink|Stranger Eons}}

====Vision of the future====
In a vision of the future seen by Ironhide and [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] during the reformatting of Cybertron, [[Wheelie (G1)#IDW Generation 1 continuity|Wheelie]] was said to be the first to see "the great destroyer". {{storylink|Pax Cybertronia (issue)|Pax Cybertronia}}

==Ask Vector Prime==
Unicron attacked the Cybertron of [[Primax 504.0 Gamma]]. With the Autobots and Decepticons devastated by the rampage of the [[Beast (G1)|Beast]], Unicron managed to inflict a fatal wound to Primus before being driven off. Reality quakes tore the universe apart, and the remains of the universe were eventually consumed by the [[Hytherion]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/05/30}}

==''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons==
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[[File:Machinima-POTP-disembodied-Unicron.jpg|thumb|right|250px|I can't blink, I can't cough, I can't sneeze, but my neck is enjoying a pleasant breeze...]]
Long ago, Unicron threatened Cybertron, and [[Solus Prime]] developed powerful tools to help defend against him, such as the Matrix of Leadership, the [[Enigma of Combination]] and the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]]. {{storylink|The Fight Begins}} Ultimately, [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] used the Blaster to finally defeat Unicron, leaving his destroyed head helplessly floating through space. {{storylink|The Swamp}} Eons later, Unicron briefly transformed [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] into Galvatron, though this upgrade was later reversed. {{storylink|Countdown (POTP)|Countdown}} Several decades after this, Megatronus ordered [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] to search through the Chaos Bringer's remains, where he found the [[Matrix of Chaos]]. {{storylink|Volcanicus (episode)|Volcanicus}} When it was placed into [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], turning him into Rodimus Cron, it created a link between Rodimus and Unicron, allowing him to both see through and possess Rodimus's body. This was demonstrated when Unicron took control to direct Overlord towards the [[Athenaeum Sanctorum]] before killing [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]]. {{storylink|Athenaeum Sanctorum (episode)|Athenaeum Sanctorum}}

Rodimus continued to draw on Unicron's essence during his battles with Megatron's team, with Unicron's latent personality occasionally manifesting while he took Megatron and [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] to task. {{storylink|Countdown (POTP)|Countdown}} Upon learning that Megatronus planned to fuse the Matrix and the Requiem Blaster together, he forced control of Rodimus and declared the Matrix must be destroyed. Megatronus temporarily knocked him out and retreated with the Blaster, but Unicron gave chase, determined to get his revenge against the Matrix. {{storylink|Consequences}} Unicron had taken full control of Rodimus as he reached the [[Well of All Sparks|Well of Sparks]], transforming him into a more powerful form. {{storylink|Collision Course}} Determined to extinguish all of Primus's influence, including the Matrix and what remained of the [[Thirteen]], Unicron tussled with Megatronus in an attempt to reach the Matrix. When [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] got his hands on it instead and transformed into Optimal Optimus, he drew Unicron's attention and the two began fighting, seemingly evenly matched. {{storylink|Megatronus Unleashed}} After a bitter struggle, Windblade and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] managed to restrain Unicron, allowing Optimal to remove the Matrix of Chaos from Rodimus's chest over Unicron's protests, turning him back to Hot Rod. Needing a new host for the Matrix, Unicron forced it into Megatron's hands and attempted to turn him back into Galvatron, but Megatron resisted and ordered Optimal to shoot them with the Requiem Blaster, much to Unicron's horror. Optimal obliged and fired, destroying the Matrix of Chaos and likely Unicron's spirit with it. {{storylink|Saga's End}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers Battle Universe''===
Unicron's severed head orbited helplessly around a [[space bridge]] installation near Cybertron, where Transformers from multiple universes engaged in combat. {{storylink|Transformers Battle Universe}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
Before the formation of Cybertron, Unicron and Primus battled fiercely, their blows shaking the very foundation of the cosmos. A group of Transformers then appeared, time-displaced from the distant future. Galvatron and his Decepticons joined forces with Unicron while Rodimus's troops helped Primus. Unicron was defeated despite being able to will more beings into reality. {{storylink|Battle of the Brothers}}

Unicron threatened to devour [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|'Til All Are One (Legends)|'Til All Are One}} During the attack, a number of Autobots and Decepticons ended up inside him and fell foul of his internal defenses. {{storylink|Belly of the Beast (Legends)|Belly of the Beast}} He was halted when [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] opened the [[Matrix of Leadership]] while inside him, and the energies tore apart his body, reducing him to a head. {{storylink|'Til All Are One (Legends)|'Til All Are One}}

Later the incorporeal [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] sought out his help and was pressed into service doing Unicron's bidding and spreading chaos. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine (Legends)|Ghost in the Machine}} Unicron enacted a plan that included sending Galvatron back in time. {{storylink|Savage Circle}} He struck a deal with Starscream in order to acquire Trypticon's body. However though Unicron supplied the incorporeal Air Commander with a new form, Starscream was ultimately foiled by [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]]. {{storylink|Unicron Returns}}

===''Transformers: Devastation''===
As Unicron slept, the [[Mission of Cybertronian Expansion]] ship, the ''[[Proudstar]]'' touched down on his surface. He observed the crew members and eventually corrupted them to varying degrees, particularly their leader, [[Nova Prime]]. His influence caused them to [[Eco-structuring|cyberform]] inhabited worlds as well as uninhabited ones, wiping out millions of lives. Before the ''Proudstar'' left, Nova pointed Unicron in Cybertron's (and Primus's) direction. The more distance the crew put between themselves and Primus, the more Unicron managed to corrupt them. [[Kranix (G1)|Kranix]] and [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] separately realized what Unicron had done to them but could not stop it. Kranix eventually caused the ship to crash into [[Earth]] before he fled to Lithone. Unicron, meanwhile, followed the trail of cyberformed worlds, destroying all he came across in the process. Millions of years later, a touch of his darkness still permeated in the ''Proudstar''. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] felt him through the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]. [[Teletraan Alpha]] seemed to know that Unicron represented chaos but not ''who'' he was. The supercomputer predicted Unicron's eventual defeat to Optimus Prime and his Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: Devastation| Devastation}}

===''Transformers: Frontiers''===
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==Notes==
[[File:Model-TheEntity.jpg|upright=1.85|thumb|Flamboyantcron]]
[[File:Model-IngestorUnicron.jpg|upright=1.85|thumb|"Ingestor" sure evinces [[Bob Budiansky]]'s lack of involvement with the film.]]
{{bigquote|Since Unicron is a villain and because I was fooling around at that time, I decided to make him look demonic with goatee, horns, bat-like wings and eagle talons for feet. I got the idea of Unicron from the planet Saturn and Satur. Actually, the original name was "Ingestor," but the writer changed it to Unicron when he saw the design, probably because of the "horns."|character designer [[Floro Dery]], [http://transformersph.blogspot.com/2007/06/floro-derys-transformers-exhibit-and.html Floro Dery's TransFormers Exhibit And Interview]}}
*Before the Transformers brand even existed, Takara designer [[Hiroyuki Hataike]] drew up a "Planet-Robot" toy for the ''[[Micro Change]]'' line, a design that would eventually inspire Unicron.
*In early preproduction for ''The Transformers: The Movie'', Unicron was referred to as the '''Entity'''. A model sheet from later in the movie's preproduction revealed that, at one point, the ''planet'' Unicron would turn into the ''robot'' '''Ingestor'''. An early rough draft of the film detailed some of the specifics of this; the disembodied voice of Ingestor would have presented itself to Megatron as merely the master and custodian of the planet Unicron, communicating from somewhere within the planet. He would remake the [[Spark|Life Spark]] of Megatron and other fallen Decepticons into Galvatron and his troops, and implore them to bring him energon to feed the planet, consumed with straw-slurping and lip-smacking sounds. Only at the draft's climax were Ingestor and Unicron revealed to be one and the same, as the energy the planet had been absorbing was revealed to be required to power the planet's transformation into robot mode. We used "robot" loosely, though; many pieces of organic terminology are used throughout the draft to describe planet and robot forms, such as the planet being covered in what appeared to be grass trees but which were actually the hairs of his humanoid form. At the end of the early rough draft, Unicron is destroyed completely by the Life Spark of Optimus Prime.<ref>[http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/heritaage-auctions-transformers-movie.htmlHeritage Auctions Transformers: The Movie script] @ Disciples of Boltax</ref>
*Character designer [[Floro Dery]] claims his designs for Unicron were very large and complicated. For example, there were three drawings of Unicron's internal organs that were 2'x7' each. Dery also explains that Unicron's television monitor-covered [[Unicron's core|core]] is "like security monitors in a building," and that he must watch these screens manually to know what is going on, rather than the information being diverted directly into him from the screens' source. And finally, the orbiting moon that is seen in the discarded Generation 1 prototype by Takara (see [[Unicron/toys]]) was intended to be "a kind of mini-Unicron, like Mini-Me of Dr. Evil." Floro Dery's kind of eccentric.<ref>Zobovor's [http://web.archive.org/web/20060625115408/http://members.aol.com/tfencyc/interview_dery.html Interview with Floro Dery]</ref>
[[File:FloroDeryUnicronNotes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.85|That's no moon. No seriously, ignore that moon.]]
*Floro Dery's production notes as shown on his designs for Unicron (then "The Entity") reveal some very interesting things that don't quite come through in the original film or were dropped:
**The spheres on Unicron's rings are meant to be roughly equivalent in size to ''Earth''.
**The surface of Unicron was originally a dense jungle of metal and mechanical creatures.
**Dery's roundabout reasoning for giving Unicron rings is explained: "Saturn sounds like Satur [presumably meaning ''satyr'']. Satur is synonymous with the Devil. The Entity is a Devil-like planet. This is the reason why I designed the Entity like the planet Saturn."
**A moon is included (as in Takara's G1 toy prototype), but never explained aside from being flashy and conductive.
**All the circular portions on the planet's surface were to flash and reflect different colors to "dazzle the viewers" and eliminate the epileptics in the audience.
[[File:TFTM-Unicronalternatehead.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|He shaved!]]
*An earlier version of Unicron's head showed up during Unicron's transformation scene in ''The Transformers: The Movie''. Originally animated for [[The Transformers: The Movie promo]], this version has no [[facial hair]] and has extra greebles all over his face. It also colored the helmet entirely gray, save an orange mohawk. In [[Transformers: The Animated Movie|IDW's comic book adaptation of the animated film]], [[Don Figueroa]] drew a hybrid between the two designs, combining the facial hair and the orange mohawk.
*Unicron's profile in ''[[The Transformers Universe]]'' states that Unicron eating planets (and stars) increases his size and his hunger, a detail that first appeared in fiction in [[Our Darkest|''Unicron'' #0]].

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Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity

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[[File:StarscreamIDWF22-Infiltration4cvrA.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"BANZAAAAI KICK!"]]

Ever the opportunist, '''Starscream''''s boundless ambition drew him into the nascent Decepticon movement and catapulted him through the ranks as Cybertron collapsed into endless war. Though an intelligent, capable leader in his own right, Starscream struggled to distinguish himself from the shadow of [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]–a relationship that ended with Megatron invariably reminding Starscream of his place after several failed coups and bungled stints at leadership.

Following the end of the war and the revitalization of Cybertron, Starscream found the burden of leadership placed on his shoulders once more after a wayward [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]] declared him Cybertron's "Chosen One", destined to reunite and rebuild their ruined world. A subsequent series of crises saw Starscream leaving the Decepticons forever, establishing himself as the "High Chancellor" of Cybertron's growing [[NAIL|neutral population]] and carving out a new anti-factionalist government in the ruins of [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]. But even after finally achieving his dream, Starscream still seems to be the same person he's always been: self-serving, prideful, treacherous, and perfectly willing to cheat, lie, and step on other 'bots to get his own way. His stubborn refusal to change his ways for the greater good is a constant thorn in the side of his reluctant allies.

Beneath it all, though, Starscream struggles with the ramifications of his morally dubious actions and the growing shadow of his future legacy–a struggle that, in the end, he may not win.

:*''First Appearance:'' [[Infiltration issue 0|Transformers: Infiltration #0]]

{{quote|What kind of monster '''are''' you?" "A '''goal-oriented''' one.|[[Stardrive]] and Starscream|[[Shining Armor issue 1|Shining Armor #1]]}}

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===There at the beginning===
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Starscream was [[Reproduction|constructed cold]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 4 of 5: Arm the Lonely|Arm the Lonely}} As with all constructed cold Transformers, Starscream's [[spark]] carried genetic instructions for a "natural" shape, but the circumstances of his birth meant that his Spark was simply implanted into one of many identical, pre-constructed bodies. Over the course of his life, Starscream developed a predilection for periodically changing bodies; [[Windblade (G1)|some]] would interpret this as a sign that his spark was still trying to find its "true form," {{storylink|Your First Mistake}} while [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|others]] would simply write it off as a sign of his vanity. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}}

In his early life, Starscream studied at the prestigious [[Nova Point Academy]], but eventually moved to the city of [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], where he became a street hustler running scams for his personal gain and ran afoul of a young police officer named [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}} Unlike most members of Cybertron's [[flight class]], Starscream took pride in his [[alternate mode]], and, eventually, his silver tongue landed him a handsomely-paying job as a precinct [[Senate|senator]] in [[Vos (polity)|Vos]]. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}} Disappointed by the lack of fame or respect this job offered, he spent most of his time drinking and reluctantly attending political rallies when he could be dragged away from the bar. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}} Eventually, Starscream grew tired of politics and used his political connections to embezzle a vast sum of money from his constituents before deserting his post. He used his new fortune to recruit a pair of [[Outlier]]s named [[Skywarp (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Skywarp]] and [[Thundercracker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Thundercracker]] from the [[Jhiaxian Academy of Advanced Technology]]. After arranging their release from the school, he convinced the duo to undergo extensive rebuilds so that they'd look like him, a way to confuse any taxpayers who tried to pursue him. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

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Some four million years ago, he became a fan of the [[Gladiatorial combat|gladiatorial games]] that existed in Cybertron's underworld, {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}} and came to idolize the rhetorician-turned-gladiator [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] for his teachings that Transformers didn't ''have'' to [[Functionism|accept their lot]] in life. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}} The trio were eventually approached by [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]]; {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}} seeing Megatron's nascent uprising as good a place as any to lose himself, {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}} Starscream and his two lackeys believed that they were joining Megatron's team in the arena, but, after pledging allegiance to the Decepticon leader, learned that their leader had other plans for them: his [[Decepticon]] movement required air support as they made the move from activists to insurgents and beyond. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}}

Early on, the charismatic and cunning Starscream was tasked with recruitment of others to the Decepticon cause; significantly, he was the one assigned to approach the disenfranchised [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Senator Shockwave]] and bring him into the fold. {{storylink|Shockwaves}} Starscream was also given another key Senate-related task when he and his fellow Seekers were ordered to capture Senator [[Decimus]], who would then supposedly be executed at Megatron's next recruitment rally. When security forces intervened in the rally and arrested the Decepticons, Starscream bargained for his freedom by offering to reveal all of Megatron's plans. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}} However, this turned out to have ''been'' Megatron's plan—brought before an emergency assembly of the Senate for questioning, Starscream, together with Soundwave, executed the Senators with Starscream personally executing [[Proteus]] himself. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}} The two then freed every prisoner in the building, with Starscream arming the prisoner and even presenting Megatron with his the [[fusion cannon]] that would become his signature weapon. He then joined in their attack on [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]], during which he bested [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]. The battle culminated in Megatron's defeat of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], whose body Starscream dumped in front of Sentinel's men in a fly-by. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4|Megatron Origin #4}}

Following the ascension of [[Zeta Prime]], the Decepticons were forced back underground for a time but continued their militarization: arming sympathizers with weapons — ostensibly in the name of "self-defense" — Starscream coordinated several illegal arms shipments from off-world suppliers, showing off his handiwork to a shocked [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]]. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|Behind My Bleeding Back}} When it became clear that Orion's Autobots would crack down on this gunrunning, Starscream rigged the latest arms shipments to detonate if the Autobots ever found it, {{storylink|New Cybertron End: Feel Safe Without Regrets|Feel Safe Without Regrets}} assuring Soundwave that the Decepticons caught in the crossfire were making the ultimate sacrifice for the cause. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 5: Future Glories Lost|Future Glories Lost}}

When gunrunners [[Horri-Bull]] and [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] had their latest transaction revealed as an Autobot-coordianted sting operation, Starscream destroyed the weapons cache, leaving Soundwave to lie to the two that the Autobots had booby-trapped the shipment. Though Soundwave was appalled, Starscream felt Megatron would have approved. {{storylink|New Cybertron End: Feel Safe Without Regrets|Feel Safe Without Regrets}}

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With war now definitively declared, Starscream continued in his recruitment duties; he was unable to convince the youthful [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Hot Rod]] to join the Decepticons {{storylink|Ruins}}, and had similarly bad luck with racing champion [[Blurr (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Blurr]] despite a very pointed effort. Not long after, Starscream was part of a unit that tried to stop Blurr from couriering a message to new planet leader [[Zeta Prime]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blurr}} At some point after Zeta Prime's ascent to leadership, Starscream participated alongside [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] and Thundercracker in a mission to rescue Soundwave from the [[Institute|New Institute]]. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} His identity evidently unknown to most, Starscream was also positioned as a delegate to the new Senate that was formed by Zeta Prime, though exactly who or where he was masquerading as the delegate ''of'' is unclear. While attending one of Zeta's security sessions, he brought a disguised Soundwave with him to record the Senate's newest plans for how to stop the growing Decepticon menace. When Zeta expressed surprise at how easily Starscream accepted his idea of draining energy from civilians to power [[vamparc ribbon|weapons]], he almost let slip that he'd done worse things in Megatron's name. To cover up his blunder, he drew attention to the spy in their midst, giving Soundwave a cue to reveal himself and stage an escape, distracting Zeta. {{storylink|Parasites}}

Since turning down Starscream's offer to join the Decepticons, Hot Rod had carried out some insurgent activities of his own, and Megatron and Starscream monitored the situation through [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] with some degree of pleasure as [[Autobot]] leader [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]] hunted him down. {{storylink|Ruins}} In Orion's absence, Zeta Prime then attacked [[Nyon]]'s population with his vamparc ribbons and [[Guardian robot|Omega Destructors]]—an action Starscream compared to Megatron's own tactics, though, Megatron assured him he was capable of much more. {{storylink|Purge}} In spite of Starscream's opinion that Megatron was a "stubborn wreck" for his repeated attempts to sway Orion Pax to his cause, they were successful, and the Decepticons joined forces with Orion's Autobots against Zeta Prime. {{storylink|Choices}} Together, they attacked Zeta Prime and his Omega Destructors, with Starscream personally leading the Seekers as air support. {{storylink|Overthrown}}
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After Zeta Prime was defeated, Megatron betrayed Orion and installed himself as ruler of Cybertron, then had the Decepticons hunt down all remaining Autobots. Starscream led a force to raid an Autobot hiding place in [[Ultrix]] and took special interest in Hot Rod, once again offering him the chance to join the Decepticons. {{storylink|Transformation (issue)|Transformation}} Starscream also tortured and interrogated Bumblebee, but learned little for his efforts. {{storylink|Rise}} Orion soon returned, however, having become [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]], and with new warriors at his side, he led the Autobots in an attack on Megatron's citadel. Starscream and the Seekers were ordered to take them out but were intercepted by the Aerialbots. {{storylink|Broadcast}}

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Megatron was subsequently defeated by Optimus Prime, and Starscream conspired with [[Scorponok (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Scorponok]] to overthrow him and have him exiled to [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]. {{storylink|Derelicts}} While Scorponok became the new Decepticon leader, Starscream seemingly preferred to stay in the background and showed no signs of being his second-in-command in public. {{storylink|Wreckage (issue)|Wreckage}} He annoyed Scorponok by urging him to take action rather than just hold grandiose speeches, causing Scorponok to let him in on his plan to capture the [[Toraxxis mega-refinery]] for the Decepticons. Starscream participated in this attack by leading his Seekers to the refinery. {{storylink|Faces of Darkness}} Scorponok ordered him to keep the Autobot defenders busy while he left to deal with [[Grimlock (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Grimlock]] personally. {{storylink|Rage (IDW)|Rage}} The plan ended disastrously when the refinery exploded, killing thousands and leaving the planet cripplingly low on [[energon]]; Starscream berated Scorponok for his actions, unable to see any point in staying on the dying planet himself. {{storylink|Massacre}} Fortuntely, Megatron soon returned from his exile and retook Decepticon command. Starscream attempted to welcome him back, but was quickly silenced. {{storylink|The Illusion of Control}}

There was a brief lull in the war {{storylink|Primacy issue 1}} before Megatron regrouped the scattered Decepticons for an all-out attack on Iacon. Starscream went to [[Canis Tor]] to inform the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] that Megatron was back and after that, bribed the Combaticons into coming home. {{storylink|Primacy issue 2}} He fought during the siege of Iacon but it led in a Decepticon rout. {{storylink|Primacy issue 3}}{{storylink|Primacy issue 4}}

As the war bore on, Starscream was present when Megatron faced Optimus Prime in open battle on [[Sherma Bridge]], {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory #1}} witnessed [[Hot Shot (Henkei!)|a yellow Autobot]] get destroyed in an Decepticon-Autobot crossfire in another of the war's countless battles, {{storylink|Drift issue 2|Drift #2}} and stood side-by-side with the Decepticon Deadlock in many other combat scenarios. {{storylink|Drift issue 3|Drift #3}} He would later admit that at one point, he had genuinely looked up to Megatron, but that changed when he realized that he ''feared'' the Decepticon leader, rather than ''respected'' him {{storylink|Infiltration issue 6|Infiltration #6}} and was disgruntled that Megatron was leading them into a seemingly endless war. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10}} That epiphany evidently led to further attempts to take leadership from Megatron, but in time, these power plays ceased, and Megatron hoped that it meant he had moved beyond such things. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 6|Infiltration #6}} Starscream would even eventually end up as Megatron's bodyguard, and developed a mutual hatred with [[Sixshot]], professing that he would not be able to defend Megatron against such a powerhouse. {{storylink|Devastation issue 5|Devastation #5}} But Starscream's appointment to this position was largely for show—Megatron could, of course, protect himself, and would later reveal that he kept Starscream close by despite his predilection for treachery as a reminder to himself to always watch his back. {{storylink|Spotlight: Megatron}}

At one point, Starscream's treachery reached the attention of the [[Decepticon Justice Division]], who had him added to their dreaded [[The List|list]] of targets. He was later removed from this list, perhaps due to Megatron's insistence on keeping him close by. {{storylink|An Axe to Break the Ice}}

===Earth and Ore-13===
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Millions of years later, after the war had resulted in Cybertron becoming uninhabitable and the Autobots and Decepticons had spread out across the galaxy, Starscream came to be in command of one the small Decepticon units that secretly infiltrated planets across the galaxy. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 0|Infiltration #0}} In the mid-19th century, the group had conquered the [[Huni System]] and were approached by the [[Dire Wraith]] [[Vekktral]], who wanted to propose an alliance. Though Starscream initially wanted to kill the organic, Vekktral made him interested by showing him the [[Space Knight]] [[Stardrive]]. Though [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] had his doubts, Starscream realized the [[Solstar Order]] must have an Energon source to keep Stardrive alive and agreed to Vekktral's alliance. The group slew a [[Galactic Council]] force due to meet with the Solstar Order, and Starscream left behind a [[Vehicon (G1)|Vehicon]] and a bloke who turned into a bulldozer to destroy their ship while Astrotrain assumed its form. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 2|Shining Armor #2}}

Upon arriving at ''[[Orchid Crossing]]'', Starscream swatted [[Rom|some pest]] out of the sky before he tried to recruit Stardrive. Failing to do so, he instead used her as a battering ram to reach her [[Energon synthesizer|energon synthesizer]] only for [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] to show up with a standoff ensuing. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 1|Shining Armor #1}} As Stardrive expressed confusion over who the Autobots were, Starscream again offerred her a spot in the Decepticons, only to be shot through a wall by Ultra Magnus. No sooner had the Seeker regained his bearings did Magnus ram Starscream in truck mode. After a Wraith merged with [[Sky Blast (G1)|Sky Blast]] and turned into an ungodly abomination, Starscream opted for the better part of valour and decided the Wraiths could serve as canon fodder. Grabbing [[Doomwings (G1)|Doomwings]] (after getting his name wrong), Starscream made his way to the energon synthesizer only for the Wraith/Cybertronian hybrid to tear Doomwings apart. Starscream told Vekktral to get the beast under control, only to learn neither the Wraith or Sky Blast was in control. Starscream then took Astrotrain and made another run for their prize, only for the station to begin tumbling. He emerged to find Magnus had disabled its power, and he quickly destroyed the Autobot shuttle before giving the evacuation order, deciding to dig the energon synthesizer out of the rubble. In the skies of [[Xetaxxis]], Starscream questioned if the synthesizer was durable enough to survive reentry and how long it took for space stations to fall, before being informed the hybrid had survived. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 2|Shining Armor #2}}

Starscream and Vekktral tracked the hybrid to a [[Xetaxxan|Xetaxxian]] village where the situation neatly resolved itself. After the two performed a quick check on whether or not the Xetaxxians were mechanical (they weren't), Starscream bluntly told Vekktral he had no interest in furthering the Wraiths' agenda and merely wanted the synthesizer before mobilizing their forces. When the Seekers arrived at the crash site however, the [[Space Knight]]s had beaten them there. When Stardrive tried to evacuate some Xetaxxians past the Seeker blockade, Starscream expertly manoeuvred around her and shot the organics before turning his attention to the Space Knights, landing foot first ''on Rom''. Rom and Livia managed to use their speed to outmaneuver him with the former socking the Seeker square in the jaw. Sneaking away from the battle, Starscream made his way to the Energon synthesizer in Stardrive's room. The Camien soon realized he was there however and threatened to destroy the synthesizer with her [[Neutralizer]] before she offerred to trade it in exchange for him leaving Xetaxxis. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 3|Shining Armor #3}} After expressing his supreme annoyance at Rom's melodramatic speech pattern, Starscream tried to recruit Stardrive once again by extolling Cybertronian superiority and claiming to need her knowledge of the Wraiths to protect their kind from the Dire Wraiths. He might have succeeded had Rom and Livia not thrown Dirge into him forcing him to retreat. The Seekers then watched Stardrive suffer a mental breakdown and attack her allies before they annoyingly worked everything out. The promised Dire Wraith backup however soon arrived in the form of Vekktral having possessed Ultra Magnus. As Starscream gloated about a mutual Dire Wraith/Decepticon victory however, Vekktral turned on him. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 4|Shining Armor #4}}

After being saved by [[Sata]] and Stardrive, Starscream blasted the Wraiths off his troops and made a run for the synthesizer. As he fished it out of the rubble, Stardrive confronted him again where, after making one last half-hearted effort to recruit her, Starscream downed her with his null-ray and prepared to execute her only to be shot in the chest by [[Livia]]. In his daze, he was assaulted by Stardrive who brutally beat him down and tore off his wings. Though grounded, Starscream's Seekers came to his rescue while he detonated the energon synthesizer and hitched a ride on Astrotrain. Reporting to Megatron on the Dire Wraiths' unfeasibility as allies, Starscream was congratulated...for finding yet another way to disappoint his master. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 5|Shining Armor #5}}

Roughly a century later, learning through undisclosed means of at least some of the secrets behind Shockwave's [[Regenesis]] program and the super-powerful [[energon]] [[Ore-13]] that the scientist had seeded on [[Earth]], {{storylink|Shockpoint}} and seeing in it the potential to challenge Megatron for Decepticon leadership once again, Starscream took his unit to that planet. There, they set about destabilizing Earth's governing organizations and create global anarchy in accordance with the strict [[infiltration protocol]] the Decepticons now operated to, all the while searching for Ore-13. After around four years, their search bore fruit when a seam of Ore-13 was uncovered in [[Nebraska]], but later, the discovery of an even purer source of the ore in [[Oregon]] prompted Starscream to step outside traditional infiltration protocols and move the Decepticons' base of operations to the new site, establishing a fortified "siege mode" bunker well in advance of the standard timeline. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 3|Infiltration #3}} Unfortunately for Starscream, the abandoned Nebraska bunker was then infiltrated by [[Stoker]], an agent of the human organization known as the [[Machination]], necessitating that both he and the data he gathered—including images of Starscream himself—be eliminated by the Decepticons. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 1|Infiltration #1}} Starscream sent Thundercracker, [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]] and [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] after Stoker, and although they were successful in slaying the human, Starscream failed to count on [[Verity Carlo|another human]] obtaining Stoker's [[SM-40]] computer and falling in with the Autobot counter-insurgency unit also operating on the planet. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 0|Infiltration #0}}

[[File:Infiltration6 takeyourpunishment.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Starscream, seen here actually getting off easy!]]
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Concurrently with the search for Stoker, Starscream and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] successfully mined the first batch of Ore-13 from the Oregon seam. Starscream urged speed, aware that breaking protocol the way they had was sure to elicit a response from Megatron. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 2|Infiltration #2}} As he waited for the ore to process, Starscream ordered [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] and Skywarp to cover the Decepticons' tracks by destroying all evidence of Stoker's travels, including what remained of the Nebraska bunker. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 3|Infiltration #3}} Unfortunately for them, Megatron himself had arrived on Earth and was ''in'' the bunker, catching up on what Starscream had been up to, when they attacked. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 5|Infiltration #5}} Starscream emerged from the infusion capsule brimming with the incredible power of Ore-13 just as a furious Megatron arrived at the Oregon bunker and offered the Decepticons a choice: stand down, or be destroyed. Every one of his men surrendered, but the super-powered Starscream roared into battle and unleashed his full fury against Megatron. Alas, the power conveyed by Ore-13 proved insufficient to destroy the Decepticon leader, and Megatron blasted Starscream with his fusion cannon at point-blank range, virtually obliterating him. Megatron left Starscream's remains to be tended to by the Decepticons, unconcerned if he lived or died. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 6|Infiltration #6}}

[[File:Starcasm idw dev6.jpg|left|upright=1.95|thumb|Sarcasm from Starscream?? NO!]]
Starscream was placed in a [[CR chamber]] for extensive repairs but even with him out of the picture, the power of Ore-13 convinced Megatron to continue Starscream's subversion of infiltration protocol. The last straw for the other Decepticons came when Megatron called Sixshot in early, leading Astrotrain to propose reactivating Starscream so that he could challenge Megatron's actions. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1|Devastation #1}} Blitzwing and Astrotrain proceeded to bring Starscream back online, but no sooner was he back on his feet than the alien [[Reaper]]s attacked the Decepticon base. {{storylink|Devastation issue 4|Devastation #4}} With Megatron unaware he had been reactivated, Starscream initially decided to hold back and allow the Reapers to cause trouble first, but when Sixshot arrived, Starscream emerged from base and called the hated Six-Changer out. Starscream's appearance caused the living weapon to decide to accept the Reapers' offer to join their ranks... at which point Starscream promptly activated Sixshot's shutdown command, sending him crashing to the ground. Starscream then turned his weapons on the Reapers, causing Megatron to agree to take the fight to the aliens. {{storylink|Devastation issue 5|Devastation #5}} {{storylink|Spotlight: Grimlock}} Starscream once again accepted Megatron as his liege, and together they teamed up to destroy the alien invaders, with Starscream wielding Megatron in his Ore-13 empowered pistol mode to devastating effect. As the battle came to an end, Starscream stopped Megatron from punishing Blitzwing for going behind his back with the observation that a fleet of human jet fighters had arrived, and that the Decepticons' existence was now known to humanity. {{storylink|Devastation issue 6|Devastation #6}}

===The Decepticon ideal===
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While the Decepticons were occupied battling the Reapers, the Autobots had left Earth to deal with an incursion by the [[Dead Universe]]. Exploiting their enemies' absence, Starscream and the Decepticons went into hiding; when Autobots returned, they could find no trace of the villains, who kept one step ahead of them for months. They secretly returned to Cybertron, where Starscream stood by his leader's side as he received updates from scientist [[Deluge (G2)|Deluge]] on his experiments to create a monstrous [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] [[Insecticon swarm|swarm]]. Upon returning to Earth, the Decepticons then staged a phony schism within their ranks, allowing the Autobots to believe that they had "disappeared" as a result of a power struggle that had split their ranks into two camps, one led by Megatron and one by Starscream. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}} To complete their plot, Starscream approached the disenfranchised Autobot [[Sunstreaker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Sunstreaker]] with the proposition that the Autobots join with his fictitious forces against Megatron. Sunstreaker accepted, {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 8|All Hail Megatron #8}} but when he led the Autobots to the designated time and place, they were instead confronted by the united Decepticon army and promptly defeated. Starscream stood by Megatron's side and watched as the bested Autobots were exiled back to Cybertron through a [[space bridge]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}}

[[File:AHM3Starscream.JPG|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Hey, I just spotted the janitor from ''Futurama''!]]
With a year now passed since their battle with the Reapers, and with their enemies disposed of, the Decepticons began to lay waste to the Earth with the intention of taking it for their new homeworld. Starscream headed up the attack on [[New York City]] with glee, though he objected to Skywarp's insinuation that he could not sow destruction and terror on the same level as Megatron; Megatron soon arrived to prove him wrong. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 1|All Hail Megatron #1}} After joining in the efforts to beat back military attacks and bomb the city's bridges, {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 2|All Hail Megatron #2}} Starscream headed for [[Washington, D.C.]], where he personally shot down the fleeing [[Air Force One]]. That task done, he returned to New York, to join Megatron in savoring their victory. Megatron mused that it was fitting to have a long-serving a Decepticon at Starscream beside him; Starscream believed he was being sarcastic, but Megatron's praise was genuine, going so far as to describe Starscream as the living embodiment of the Decepticon ideal, but a step short of full embracing it due to his own blindness to that fact. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 3|All Hail Megatron #3}}

With the conquest completed, Starscream stood at Megatron's side as he addressed the gathered Decepticons. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 4|All Hail Megatron #4}} However, as time passed and Megatron made no further new moves, content to allow his troops to wreak havoc around the world, Starscream began to suspect that Megatron ''had'' no further plan, and was merely giving his troops free reign as a distraction to keep them from turning on them. He confronted Megatron with this knowledge, and taunted him with the fact it was essentially his own fault for assembling an army of sociopaths and monsters in the first place. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}} Legitimately disheartened to see the leader he had once looked up to go so far astray, having led them through an endless war with no vision for what lay beyond, Starscream began secretly meeting with the other Decepticons, recruiting those who shared his feelings in preparation for a coup. After winning over the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], he approached the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]], and also successfully convinced them to join him. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 8|All Hail Megatron #8}}

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Starscream made his move a short while later, sending the Insecticons to attack Megatron, but the Decepticon leader summarily defeated them and revealed that he had known about Starscream's plans all along; he had, in fact, been doing nothing in order to allow the dissenting element of his army to weed themselves out. He had, however, failed to predict that the Constructicons would take Starscream's side. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}} As fate would have it, Starscream's uprising was suddenly cut short when the Decepticons came under attack, first from human jets arrived from [[Europe]], and then the returning Autobots. Starscream was forced to team up with Megatron, who assured him that someday he would get be in charge, someday after the Decepticons won, after he successfully crushed Megatron in the way that the taking of leadership required... but not today. After giving this some thought, Starscream organized his troops to fight back, hailing Megatron's name. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 11|All Hail Megatron #11}}

Megatron was subsequently defeated by Optimus Prime, but as the Autobot leader moved to inspect his fallen body, Starscream stepped in and picked up his injured leader, refusing to let the Autobots finish him off. For the moment, Megatron's words had struck home: Starscream told Prime that he now knew leadership had to taken by force, not gained through chance. Starscream led the Decepticons in withdrawing from the planet, though as he left, he reminded Prime that though the Autobots had won a battle, the Decepticons still reigned throughout the galaxy. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

===Leadership of the Decepticons===
[[File:AHM13 starscream and matrix.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67|Starscream: "Now light our darkest hour!" Decepticons: "You ARE our darkest hour, you putz!"]]
Along with a few other Decepticons, Starscream took off into space aboard Astrotrain. Despite what he had told Prime, he was not pleased that Soundwave was keeping Megatron on life support, but his attempts to dissuade the loyalist were met with failure. Afraid of the uncertainty that simply tossing Megatron out and airlock would result in, Starscream was ready to give up, knowing that the Decepticons had no real reason to follow him, and that the faction would fall to infighting as soon as others challenged his rule. All he had was the Autobot [[Matrix of Leadership]], which Megatron had seized from Optimus Prime earlier, but he had failed to find any supposed "ultimate power" within it, and prepared to throw it away. Caught in the act by [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]], Starscream was reminded of the talisman's significance to the Autobots by the Insecticon, and had the idea to use its reputation for his own ends. Gathering the Decepticons, he professed that the Matrix had chosen him to light their [[darkest hour]], but as they began hailing his name in the face of this alleged holy appointment, he stepped from the room already regretting his decision. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|Uneasy Lies the Head}}

[[File:Ongoing13 sad starscream is sad.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Real Decepticon leaders chill on the [[Abraham Lincoln|Lincoln Memorial.]]]]
Starscream took the Decepticons to a barren asteroid that they could use as a staging base to regroup, but as more and more soldiers began arriving, circumstances quickly spiraled out of his control. With most of their limited resources tied up by Shockwave, who he had assigned the task of building a space bridge, Starscream charged [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] with finding a way to fabricate energon to feed his starving troops. When no breakthrough ensued, and the energy-deprived Decepticons turned to cannibalizing each other's bodies to survive, Starscream stormed into Insecticon's lab to discover he had been spending his time working on mind-controlling [[cerebro-shell]]s. Though initially angry, Starscream conceded that he could use these devices after he employed one to take out a rebellious [[Quake (G1)|Quake]]. {{storylink|All His Engines}} Later, visiting Shockwave for an update on his progress, Starscream discovered the scientist working with Soundwave to cut open Megatron's body and make weapons from his remains. Just as Starscream began to express fake outrage about this presumed "coup", Megatron himself appeared, revealing that the two had built him a new body with a built-in space bridge. He grudgingly admitted he knew Megatron would be back sooner or later, though Megatron neglected to take back leadership as long as Starscream had the Matrix, which he considered a possible threat. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon|Altered Carbon}}

[[File:SLMegs just do it.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67|"At the very least [[Fire in the Sky|bean me with an energon cube!]] I got one right here! It'll be like old times!"]]
His leadership a complete failure, Starscream became sullen and withdrawn, lost in distant contemplation of the unknowable mysteries within the Matrix that hung around his neck and lashing out at any Decepticons who attempted to touch the talisman. After Starscream ignored his warning that an Autobot ship had crashed on the asteroid, Bombshell tried to remove the Matrix in hopes of snapping him out of his stupor, but was violently struck for his trouble. As it turned out, the wrecked ship had contained [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]], on a quest to take back the Matrix. After first using a cerebro-shell on [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] to make him attack Starscream, he confronted the Decepticon leader on his own. Starscream was unimpressed, having used his rank to give himself nigh-impenetrable armor, only to be taken by surprise when Rodimus shot the Matrix around his neck instead, causing it to release a burst of energy and incapacitate Starscream. Rodimus snagged the Matrix, but both he and it were then blasted out into space by Megatron. {{storylink|Heart Like a Wheel}} With the threat of the Matrix now removed, Megatron re-established himself as leader of the Decepticons, and decided to inaugurate his return by beating the living daylights out of Starscream. The Seeker, however, had lost the will to continue: he would not rise to Megatron's mockery, and when the Decepticon leader aimed his fusion cannon at him, Starscream simply held it to his chest and demanded he fire. But Megatron kept pushing, eventually causing Starscream to snap and open fire with his own weapons, only to immediately regret the decision and attempt to flee in [[alternate mode|jet mode]]. A vicious dogfight above the asteroid ensued, culminating in a pained Starscream questioning how Megatron could understand what it felt like to have his dream crumble so completely. This inquiry only enraged Megatron further—his dream was the Decepticon faction itself, and Starscream had utterly destroyed it in his absence. But Megatron was not without mercy, and after pummeling Starscream to within an inch of his life, he offered him the chance to return to the fold as his subordinate. Meekly, Starscream accepted. {{storylink|Spotlight: Megatron}}

[[File:Ongoing16 brawn vs starscream.jpg|thumb|275px|Well, since Ironhide's not here to punch him...]]
As Megatron put his new plans into action and had the Decepticons return to Earth, Starscream went off on his own to meet with Thundercracker, who had abandoned the Decepticon cause following their previous defeat. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon|Altered Carbon}} He tried to convince his fellow Seeker to join with him and overthrow Megatron again, seeing him as obsessed with petty revenge on humanity and lacking long-term goals. When Thundercracker refused, Starscream lost patience and gunned him down, but before he could finish the job he was attacked by [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]]. Starscream denied Brawn's accusation that he had been responsible for shooting down a plane carrying Optimus Prime, pleading for his life by suggesting he would be more valuable as a hostage. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 3: Woken Furies|Woken Furies}} Fortunately for him, Brawn chose to carry Thundercracker to safety rather than capture him. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome|Burning Chrome}} Starscream returned to the other Decepticons and watched Optimus Prime confront Megatron in a one-on-one battle. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine|Enemy Mine}}

Megatron subsequently surrendered to the Autobots and had himself transported back to Cybertron, in order to use his built-in space bridge to teleport the Decepticons back to their homeworld. Starscream and the other Decepticons gathered at a Native American settlement to await the bridge's opening, but were found by Bumblebee at the last minute. Starscream ordered the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] to dispose of the Autobot, while he led the other Decepticons through the bridge. {{storylink|The Question}} Emerging on Cybertron in the midst of the Autobots' battle with [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]]'s army of [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]], Starscream and the Decepticons soon found themselves entranced by Galvatron's unseen puppetmaster, the [[D-Void]], who merged their bodies and minds together with the Sweeps to form a huge monster. {{storylink|Chaos Part Three: Kings|Kings}} Once this "[[Deceptigod]]" was defeated, the weakened component Decepticons were captured by the Autobots and outfitted with [[Inhibitor/deterrence chip|I/D chips]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime}}

===The Chosen One===
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Two weeks after the Deceptigod's defeat, the Decepticons were still imprisoned, and Starscream was growing increasingly tired of [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]'s attempts to control the situation. Realizing that it was better to go along with the Autobots' orders for now rather than push back against them, Starscream joined most of his fellow Decepticons in serving as an enforcer, helping to put down a riot by [[NAIL]]s—unaffiliated Cybertronians who had recently returned to Cybertron and objected to Autobot governance. {{storylink|Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime}} He lurked in the background when [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] visited the Decepticon camp to lecture Ratbat, {{storylink|The Autonomy Lesson (issue)|The Autonomy Lesson}} then finally elected to depart the Decepticon camp after an argument with the new self-appointed Decepticon leader. Considering Ratbat's methods and goals regressive and seeking a new approach to power, Starscream paid a visit to Autobot high command with a legitimate desire to talk with Bumblebee about the future, only to be shocked by the distrusting Autobot's taser-cane and taken into custody for his troubles. Interrogated by Prowl, Starscream explained that Ratbat was planning to assassinate Bumblebee during the memorial ceremony for the ''Lost Light''. While the Autobots dealt with that threat, Starscream proceeded to gate-crash the ceremony himself and announced to the gathered masses his desire to be part of the planet's new government. {{storylink|The World & Everything in It}}

Naturally, all the Autobots were suspicious, but Starscream did his best to prove his good faith: he helped Prowl to cover up [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]]'s assassination of Ratbat, then worked with [[Wheeljack (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Wheeljack]] to rescue some NAILs from a series of mysterious explosions. Wheeljack spoke up in his favor, convincing Bumblebee to let him join the government; the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] were so disgusted that they ceded from Bumblebee's leadership, and while Starscream expressed his regret to 'Bee in private later, he assured him the Autobot he would not regret his choice. {{storylink|Stick Together}} That proved untrue almost immediately, as Bumblebee, Starscream, and NAIL representative [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)|Metalhawk]] soon held a public assembly to introduce their joint governance, and Starscream talked rings around both of them. {{storylink|Devisive}} Soon afterwards, Starscream approached [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] to buy his services as he made his play for Iacon's leadership. In exchange for protecting him from those like the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] or unruly bots, Starscream would allow Onslaught a position of power when the time came. {{storylink|Applicable Skills}}

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Starscream joined Metalhawk in greeting ex-Decepticon [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] when he returned to Cybertron, but the new arrival's obvious distaste for his former faction prompted Starscream to step back and leave the welcoming to his fellow leaders. {{storylink|A Better Tomorrow}} Given his genuine desire to see the new government work out, Starscream was just as suspicious of the next returnee as his fellow leaders—noted Decepticon warmonger [[Turmoil]], claiming altruism, no less. Turmoil immediately began to foment distrust among the government by planting more doubts about the Autobots in Metalhawk's mind, so Starscream took the NAIL to [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]] to talk the matter out, calling upon bar owner Blurr to recount his own experiences with Turmoil as evidence for the prosecution. {{storylink|Interference Patterns}}

Not long after the Turmoil incident, Starscream and Metalhawk paid a visit to Autobot High Command to pester Bumblebee about setting up elections. {{storylink|Dinobot Hunt (IDW)|Dinobot Hunt}} That night, the pair returned to High Command, this time to check on the recently injured Wheeljack and to offer their assistance in locating [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]] and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who had gone missing in the wilderness earlier that evening. Fearing that Starscream could leverage a successful rescue to his advantage during the elections, Bumblebee refused their offer. {{storylink|Night and the City}}

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That, however, didn't stop the pair from setting out regardless at dawn the next day. They watched as Blurr, also out searching, was caught in an explosion which revealed a subterranean cavern, but were prevented from entering the cave by the quick arrival of Prowl's security team. To put pressure on the Autobots, Starscream rounded up a crowd of NAILs and Decepticons and demanded that Prowl explain the situation to them. The Autobot was forced to admit that the cavern was home to the abandoned [[Crystal City]], and that [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] had teleported into the abandoned city, injuring itself in the process such that the surrounding area would shortly be destroyed. As Prowl returned to Wheeljack, at work in the cavern, Starscream snuck in after him, and a brief chase with the security officer led them to the Titan's face. Suddenly, it awoke, and lauded Starscream as a conqueror who would unite Cybertron, something witnessed by the entire crowd, who had followed them down into the city. The group fled to escape the Titan's detonation, and on the way back to Iacon, the divinely blessed Starscream was held aloft by NAILs and Decepticons. {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}}

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Being a 'bot of little faith, Starscream didn't actually ''believe'' Metrotitan's words, but he knew how to exploit ''everyone else's'' belief to virtually guarantee himself victory in the upcoming elections. He attempted to get an endorsement from [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] live on television, but Omega had greater matters to ponder; however, that night, Omega was the victim of a bombing that Starscream presumed to be the actions of the other Decepticons attempting to ruin his aspirations for political power. Finding that public opinion was already turning against him by association, Starscream confronted Shockwave over the attack, but received only an ambiguous warning to keep out of the one-eyed Decepticon's way. As he was leaving the Decepticon pen, Starscream was approached by [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]], who sought to trade information on Prowl's recent shady dealings in exchange for sanctuary from the coming storm. Starscream accepted, and used the info to blackmail Prowl into disposing of Shockwave's Decepticons for him. He was feeling quite pleased with himself, until a one-two punch of bad news took him down a peg: first, Arcee revealed she knew exactly where he had secreted Dirge away, meaning his bargaining chip was essentially useless... and second, Megatron returned. {{storylink|The End of the Beginning of the World}}

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Starscream alerted the Autobot to Megatron's approach on the city, and watched as Bumblebee and the Autobots gunned him down and took him into custody. Starscream tried to dissuade the other Decepticons from marching on high command to call for Megatron's release with a stirring speech about discarding the old ways, but it failed rather spectacularly, so Starscream decided to visit the medical center and appeal to Megatron directly. {{storylink|City on Fire}} This "chat" was very one-sided as Megatron offered no response to Starscream's word save a smile—though that alone was enough to terrify the Seeker. The Decepticons' march subsequently turned into a riot, during which the prison was stormed and Megatron was liberated. The Decepticon leader dragged Starscream along to the [[Black Room]], where it was revealed that Prowl, mind-controlled by Bombshell, had been working for Megatron all along. {{storylink|The Verge}} Bumblebee and Metalhawk were soon brought to the Black Room as well, and Starscream tried to explain to them that he had had no part in Megatron's scheme; Megatron verified that, save to note that Starscream's political machinations had provided a useful distraction. {{storylink|Before the Dawn}}

[[File:RID16 heavyisthehead.jpg|thumb|225px|Oh no, nothing's worse than <s>Cartman</s> Starscream with ''authoritah''!]]Megatron then began his endgame, unleashing a perfected Devastator upon Iacon, and forcing Starscream to watch, professing that any political victory he had won would have been one of compromise, rather than a true Decepticon triumph. {{storylink|Plan for Everything}} Rendered near-paralytic with the seeming totality of his defeat, Starscream was dragged through the streets by Megatron, until the Autobots and Metalhawk surprised him by coming to his rescue. Separated from the main fight, Starscream and Metalhawk were confronted by Turmoil, and the re-energized Starscream killed him using Metalhawk's severed arm as a blade. The Autobots then foiled Megatron's scheme, and Starscream saw his moment to strike: though he admitted to Metalhawk that he genuinely was his friend, he used Turmoil's cannon to kill him, and presented his body to the crowd as a victim of the fighting. He called for the abandonment of factions, and the majority of the population rallied behind him, appointing him their leader {{storylink|Heavy Is the Head}} and cheering for the banishment of all those who didn't renounce their faction.

The Autobots attempted to fight this, first pointing to their wounded needing care, but Starscream promised they'd be fixed up. And hey, you didn't ''have'' to leave. All you had to was just... stop being an Autobot or Decepticon.

You're almost all leaving? Such a shame. {{storylink|Second Exodus}}

===Starscream the First===
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Starscream's first night of leadership was a troubled one as the city of Iacon struggled to deal with the aftermath of Megatron's attack. One of the many problems he had to deal with was the blackouts that the city was suffering from. This was only made worse for Starscream by [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] and his construction patrol vowing to repair the city. He then visited the Medical Center to check on Dirge's condition but he was rebuffed by the former seeker. During an interview with Circuit on how he was planning to deal with the city's problems the power was restored by Scoop, it was at this moment that [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] approached him with the revelation that the power grid had been sabotaged with phosphex. As Scoop repaired the communication array he attempted to open his toolbox and instead found out that Scoop was a "religious nut" who believed Metrotitan's prophecy. When Rattrap tripped over Scoop, Starscream soon took the opportunity to accuse him of sabotaging the power grid, however Starscream later revealed that he was fully aware that Rattrap had planted the phosphex in Scoop's toolbox. {{storylink|Three Monologues}}

Soon afterwards, [[Tyrest (G1)|Tyrest]]'s [[universal killswitch]] was activated, and Starscream was among those affected, and Starscream wondered if Megatron was causing it. {{storylink|Remain in Light 4 of 5: Arm the Lonely|Arm the Lonely}} However Starscream was saved thanks to Rodimus and Perceptor's {{storylink|Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|This Calamitous Life}} He later succeeded in getting a "pep" talk from Wheeljack's headless body - who had survived being shot by Prowl earlier. {{storylink|Three Monologues}} Starscream was the one who answered when the ''Lost Light'' when they called Cybertron with Tyrest's communication system; by this point, he'd started calling the place the [[Republic of Cybertron]]. {{storylink|The Sound of Breaking Glass}} Having successfully risen to power, Starscream reneged on his deal with Onslaught. {{storylink|Applicable Skills}}

[[File:DarkCybertron1-Starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Even the Mini-Cons have abandoned me.]]
After being rebuilt into a new body, Starscream's secluded admiration of his new form was interrupted by Rattrap's worries about an unidentified glow just over the horizon. A scan of the phenomenon revealed a classified-but-familiar reading, that of the [[Dead Universe]], causing Starscream to seek out the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' for expertise, particularly that of [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]]. {{storylink|Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1|Dark Dawn}} Subsequently, an [[Necrotitan|undead Titan]] suddenly burst free from the ground, and so Starscream rounded up some weaponry in order to take out the behemoth, but Rattrap instead suggested caution. Starscream decided to visit Scoop in his cell, and the zealot pronounced Starscream as the dark answer to a prophesy hidden in the [[Covenant of Primes]]. {{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}} Next Starscream visited the dead body of Metalhawk, succeeding in getting a "pep talk" out of his "old friend" as Rattrap eavesdropped. On his way out of the building, Starscream reassured his citizens that he could handle the ongoing situation—after all, he handled Megatron—and flew out towards the Necrotitan. Meanwhile, Scoop confided in Rattrap that while Starscream was the Chosen One, he may have been chosen to destroy everything. Starscream landed on the Necrotitan's shoulder and tried to start a conversation, but suddenly its eyes flashed and a deadly, chaotic wave of energy burst forth from its body. Starscream desperately tried to beat the wavefront home, but arrived just before it lay waste to the city. The wavefront had a strange and inconsistent effect on everyone, to the point that it reanimated the dead body of Metalhawk. Metalhawk beat down his murderer and abducted the captured body of Megatron, leaving with it for elsewhere. In the chaos that followed the city's destruction, Starscream soon found himself the subject of everyone's ire. {{storylink|Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|Winners & Losers}} The wave also left a strange black mark on Starscream's chest that Scoop believed was a message from [[Primus]]—Starscream was the cause of Iacon's problems. {{storylink|Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|Into the Abyss}}

He later had the mark checked out at the Iacon Medical Center by Flatline and used this as an opportunity to check on the casualties of the Necrotitan's wave. This merely led to him being berated by [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] on how he was letting the population down—only for the Necrotitan to then smash its way into the medical center. {{storylink|No Exit: Dark Cybertron Chapter 6|No Exit}} Starscream then received another berating, this time from Scoop, on how the fact he was the "Chosen One" was a responsibility to the people of Cybertron. {{storylink|The Dead Are Not Enough: Dark Cybertron Chapter 7|The Dead Are Not Enough}} He was later approached by Rattrap and the remaining Autobots and Decepticons and merely lamented that all hope of defeating Shockwave was lost while Prowl explained his plan. He did however inform Prowl of the situation at the medical center as Flatline and Fixit "teamed up", he was then present when Megatron explained his alternative plan on defeating Shockwave. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}}

[[File:DarkCybertronFinale-StarscreamRunsThroughJhiaxorange.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"THAT'S your secret weapon, Jhiaxius?! Turning into a redeco of myself?!"]]
Later, Starscream was further lamenting about the hopelessness of the situation when the Lost Light arrived with Metroplex. He was observing the battle between the Necrotitan and Metroplex when Scoop started to recite the "Dark Cybertron" prophecy and was later cured when Metroplex released the [[Ore-7]] stored within his thumb. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}} Starscream was later gloating to Scoop about how the prophecy was not fulfilled when he learnt its true origin—Shockwave. It was just at this moment when Metalhawk appeared with Skywarp and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] and shot him. It was at this moment that Shockwave started to reveal his endgame to Galvatron and ''70 billion'' Ammonites appeared in the sky above Cybertron. {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} Starscream then provided Bumblebee's group with a way of reaching Shockwave's base by revealing that Skywarp was still alive. He elected to take Waspinator along (much to Waspinator's objections) as the group required someone who knew the layout of the base, however he was nearly driven catatonic by the fact that Scoop willingly volunteered to remain behind instead of helping to defeat Shockwave with rest of the group. When he recovered he attacked Jhiaxus but the reactive armor Jhiaxus was wearing provided him with all of Starscream's new body's abilities. {{storylink|Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11|Black Planet}} Starscream was not impressed by the reactive armor however (even going so far as accusing Jhiaxus of [[Fandom|cosplaying]] as him) and continued to fight Jhiaxus, even though Jhiaxus had the advantage due to him knowing everything that his new body contained and could do. He beat Jhiaxus by using the swords that were integrated into his body. He was later unfazed by Rattrap's claim that he would have difficulty maintaining control due to Metalhawk sacrificing himself to defeat the Ammonites by claiming that by killing them Metalhawk was a "genocidal despot" {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

[[File:Words Hang in the Air - Honorable Starscream.jpg|thumb|right|250px|It's good to be king, if just for a while. To be there in velvet, yeah, to give them a smile.]]

Starscream attended a meeting on the subject of what was to be done with Megatron to represent the People of Cybertron—who wanted a trial. Rodimus was not impressed with Starscream's rule of Cybertron. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} He was later called to provide a statement where he claimed to be "High Chancellor of the Refulgent Cybertronian Dynasty, Emperor Perpetua and Defender of the Realm". His statement on Megatron claimed that the former Decepticon leader was addled and impotent with a lack of control over his forces and that he deserved pity. Starscream was pleased with his statement as it increased his approval ratings with only one downside—the ratings of the Autobots increased as well. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} Starscream's testimony had also convinced Megatron that he needed to leave behind a better legacy, and changed his plea to not guilty while invoking one of the forgotten laws of Luna-2. Starscream, fearing that Megatron wouldn't be executed as he hoped, protested, however Optimus would allow Megatron freedom of movement and shared command of the ''Lost Light''. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}}

Some time after Megatron's trial, Starscream approached Prowl and [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] to gloat about his control of Cybertron, only to be reminded by Optimus Prime that [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] was an Autobot and that Ironhide and [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] were keeping a close eye on him as well; upon being asked if he had any further comments on the situation by Circuit, he merely claimed that he couldn't feel better. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|Hello Cruel World}} Some time after Metroplex started acting as a city for Cybertrons population, Starscream began mining operations on the Titan's filtration systems in an attempt to retrieve one of Shockwave's ores from the Titan, and hired some of the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] as guards. {{storylink|A Long Way Down}}

[[File:ABotAndHerCity-importantmatters.jpg|thumb|left|250px|It's good to be king and have your own way, get a feeling of peace at the end of the day.]]

Six months after the events of Dark Cybertron, Starscream maintained a less than healthy relationship with Windblade due to Metroplex's constant systems failures. He confronted Windblade on the constant blackouts Metroplex was suffering with the claim that the population was blaming him for the system failures, he then threatened Windblade with serious consequences if she didn't solve the problem and left with Rattrap to discuss the rebuilding Iacon again. Starscream later claimed the blast that damaged Windblade was caused by poor maintenance and later entered her recovery room uttering the phrase "Well. Look who isn't dead". {{storylink|A 'Bot and Her City}} The ruler of Cybertron then went on to insist on how the explosion was a fortunate accident as Windblade had survived it with only minor injuries. He then threatened the cityspeaker again by claiming that she would probably not be able to cheat death twice before being kicked out of the room. Starscream then asked Rattrap to ensure that he was in the clear before Windblade made a move... {{storylink|A Long Way Down}}

Starscream later oversaw the capture of Windblade and the group she had taken into Metroplex to expose his mining operations. With the group in his custody, Starscream attempted to obtain confessions to prove that Windblade was trying to undermine his regime as well as revealing the [[Badgeless]]- his new anonymous enforcers. He then tried to find out Windblade's try purpose on Cybertron as he believed that she was deliberately trying to sabotage Metroplex to gain further power. Starscream was last seen confronting Blurr and Slug as Windblade and Chromia escaped from his prison. {{storylink|Windblade issue 3|Windblade vol. 1 #3}} As Chromia and Windblade rushed towards Metroplex's brain, Starscream fought Slug and Blurr, he easily defeated them thanks to his handy shoulder cannons and then left to pursue the Camiens. Catching up to them at Metroplex's brain, Starscream was then attacked by Chromia as the fembot tried to buy more time for Windblade to merge with Metroplex. Starscream, however, managed to quickly dispatch Chromia and wound Windblade, before the Cityspeaker managed to successfully merge with the Titan. Despite this, Windblade still managed to merge with Metroplex and activate the Titan's defenses while she made one last attempt to find out who the mystery bomber was.

While Chromia attempted to convince Windblade to use Metroplex's space bridge to jump to [[Caminus]], a desperate Starscream cried out that jumping while Metroplex still served as a city would kill all those who were not completely within the Titan's borders. Deciding to not make the jump, Windblade revealed to Starscream that there were other colonies formed by the ancient Titans and offered the use of Metroplex's space bridge to the leader of Cybertron to unite the colonies in return for not revealing any of the events surrounding the bombing to anyone else. Agreeing to the deal, Starscream left Windblade to deal with the aftermath. {{storylink|Windblade issue 4|Windblade vol. 1 #4}}

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With Monstructor still on the loose and Devastator causing trouble on Earth, Starscream became aware of his own military shortcomings. To this end, he reactivated Wheeljack, in the hopes of bringing Megatron's failed experiment [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] back into fighting shape for the sake of his regime. Still struggling to come to terms with the vastly changed Cybertron, Wheeljack reluctantly agreed and began repairing the gestalt. A Decepticon ghetto had also grown up outside Metroplex, made up of 'Cons who were disgruntled with the status quo and loathed Starscream as a sellout. {{storylink|The World of Tomorrow}}

A series of murders took place in the Decepticon ghetto, which Starscream was willing to dismiss as just one of them things but allowed his passionate officer [[Barricade (G1)|Barricade]] to investigate. Starscream then left to welcome Optimus back to Cybertron after a six-month absence and, with Windblade, talk him through the new status quo. The Prime's social conscience saw them both walking the ghetto {{storylink|City of Steel (issue)|City of Steel}} and sparking a riot. Mid-riot, they watched the murderer kill [[Heavy Barrel (G1)|Heavy Barrel]]. {{storylink|Fight or Flee (issue)|Fight or Flee}} Eventually, Starscream settled on the [[Firecon]]s as the obvious scapegoats culprits and joined Optimus in capturing them: a mission that went disastrously wrong thanks to brutality by [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] and [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]]. {{storylink|Quest for Fire}} Optimus went on to suspect the Dinobots.

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When the murderer followed up by killing ''Autobots'', Starscream told Optimus he'd been dumb and decided to raze the ghetto: the public would accept Decepticon murders but would want harsh action for Autobot ones. Barricade refused the order and went on to find a crucial clue {{storylink|The Killing Jar (issue)|The Killing Jar}} and Optimus talked Starscream into helping him with a plan: faking a fight with the Dinobots to draw out the real killer, who turned out to be Sandstorm all along. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (issue)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

After Windblade repaired Metroplex's space bridge, Starscream hatched a plan to turn Caminus back into a protectorate of Cybertron- a plan that involved the recently purloined [[Enigma of Combination]]. Starscream recruited Swindle and the Stunticons for the job. While he bided his time, Starscream decided to pick out a new body for himself, although he was interrupted by Optimus Prime. The two bickered for a while about using Superion as a weapon (it's part of planetary security, honest) drawing up a truly representative government for Cybertron (as if!). Starscream finally shot down Optimus by pointing out that the people of Cybertron had chosen him as leader, although Optimus insisted that if Cybertron contacted its colonies, the governing body needed a council, not an empire.

On his orders, Swindle used the Enigma on the Stunticons and Starscream's mole [[Blackjack]], combining them together and re-creating [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]. Now, however, Blackjack's short temper amplified Menasor's already prominent anger problems, creating a completely uncontrollable monster. Starscream sicced Menasor and Swindle on Caminus, intending to use the similarly revived Superion to swoop in, save the day, and win the permanent adoration of the Camiens. {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}} Unfortunately word got out to Optimus Prime and Windblade, forcing him to deploy Superion early on. Starscream just couldn't win, especially after Optimus- a holy figure to the people of Caminus- upstaged Starscream in front of the [[Mistress of Flame]]. {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}}

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In the lull, Starscream took the opportunity to upgrade into his new body before overseeing the first contact ceremony between Caminus and Cybertron. While he was there, he bragged about Superion and how the combiner would keep them all safe. With that done, Starscream let Swindle take the fall for his actions by throwing him in his secret prison. But then, at the Space Bridge, Optimus Prime announced on live TV that Starscream intended to build a democratic [[Council of Worlds]], throwing a wrench in Starscream's imperialistic plans and forcing him to go through. Starscream ''really'' just couldn't win. {{storylink|The Possible Light}} Starscream, Prime, and some Camiens set about hammering out a legislation, although things didn't go particularly well - mostly because Starscream knew that the Camiens would always follow Optimus Prime's vote. The meeting was quickly adjourned after Mirage brought word of an attack on the space bridge. It turned out that Prowl wasn't happy about the situation, and had decided to form Devastator and just smash the Space Bridge. Not even Superion managed to defeat him, so Starscream used the Enigma to resuscitate the defeated Aerialbots. Realizing that Superion couldn't do the job alone, Starscream zapped a recently arrived group of representatives from the ''Lost Light'', fusing them together into [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]. The two combiners trounced Devastator, and in the aftermath Starscream had Prowl dragged off to a public jail. Not the Constructicons, though; he had plans for them... {{storylink|Mistakes and Mayhem}}

[[File:CombinerWars5-disappointed.jpg|left|thumb|250px|'''YOU!''' Where the '''SLAG''' is your '''CHIN?''']]

Starscream stationed both of his combiners on Caminus to keep the peace and guard the space bridge before heading back to his secret prison, where he had stashed the Constructicons. Hoping to turn Devastator back to his side, Starscream used the Enigma on Scoop and the Constructicons. This new version of Devastator, while still temperamental, was willing to go along with the commands of his "Chosen One" thanks to Scoop's mental influence. After an escaped Menasor sparked a Decepticon riot, Starscream deployed Devastator to calm things down. Defensor wound up attacking Devastator, who in turn went postal and started wrecking up Caminus. Oops. {{storylink|You, Me, and the Universe}} With no other recourse, Starscream and his Badgeless troops put in a personal appearance at the space bridge, helping to keep down the non-combined Decepticons while Devastator and the newly born [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]] tumbled from colony to colony. With Devastator defeated, Starscream's snide remarks convinced Optimus Maximus to separate so that Prowl could be arrested. {{storylink|All That Remains}} Starscream later permitted Devastator to reform so that the Constructicons could be safely removed from Caminus. {{storylink|Now and On Earth}}

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===A weakening grip===
{{quote|''Look'' at this place. I spent ''how long'' on dank battlefields, or huddled inside ''Astrotrain'' gathering troops for ''somebody else's'' cause? I ''made'' it, goldenrod.|Starscream, "[[The Transgressors]]"}}

[[File:Windblade DS 4 Velocitronian Ambassadors.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"And I hate him already."]]

Despite finally starting to bring the colonies together, Starscream was bitter and frustrated that nobody believed he could do it and that people were talking about him behind his back... so he said to ''a hallucinated ghost Bumblebee'', who he demanded recognise that he'd finally ''made it''. Arcee, unaware of what was going on, arrived with a captured Badgeless and executed him in front of Starscream to make a point. She informed him of a growing problem with the Decepticons, who Starscream needed to keep happy on Cybertron to avoid an uprising and invasion of other planets, and that he was the only one keeping the planet together so he better try harder. {{storylink|The Transgressors}}

With Caminus in the Council, Starscream turned his attention to the next Titan colony: [[Velocitron]]. To this end he met with delegates [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]] and [[Moonracer (G1)|Moonracer]], although Knock Out wasn't particularly impressed with Cybertronian culture. Starscream was disturbed by the extremely hostile planet he'd glimpsed through the Space Bridge, and mentioned to Rattrap that he wouldn't set foot on the planet if he was paid. This might be why negotiations broke down. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 4|Windblade vol. 2 #4}}

[[File:WindbladeVol2Issue6-deadlygame.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"This game sucks. Let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos instead."]]

After Windblade decided to sneak off to Velocitron to convince them to join the Council, Starscream recruited Superion for a secret jaunt of his own: a trip to the planet [[Devisiun]]. The tiny modular colonists were very impressed by Superion's combiner technology, and sent [[Fireshot (G1)|Fireshot]] and [[Vanquish (G1)|Vanquish]] as delegates. Windblade had had enough of the secret power plays, though, so after a heated debate the two agreed to travel to the next colony together. That planet turned out to be [[Eukaris]], a planet colonized by xenophobic [[beast mode]] Transformers, who were less than thrilled to have vehicle-based Transformers set foot on their planet. Their Titan, [[Chela]], was even ''less'' thrilled than they were, so unhappy that he decided to just blow them up and be done with it. Starscream thought otherwise, and flew into his brain module, where he shot the Titan dead in spite of Windblade's protests. At least Eukaris decided to join the council. {{storylink|Race Against the Light}} {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|Windblade vol. 2 #6}}

Windblade and Starscream bickered some more after returning from Eukaris, although Starscream maintained that he had done the right thing- even saved Windblade from certain death. The next day, the two headed out to the final colony Metroplex had discovered, a spaceborne Titan he identified as [[Tempo]], crewed by philosophers. As it turned out, the ship was actually staffed by a well-armed military dictatorship. Captain [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] claimed that their Titan was actually named [[Vigilem|Carcer]]. Starscream tried to convince them to join the council, but his remarks just made Elita angry, and she threatened to kill him. Windblade managed to salvage the situation at the last minute, convincing them to join the council so as to counter Starscream's growing influence. {{storylink|The Will of the Few}}

[[File:ChooseMe_starscreamiest_grin.jpg|right|thumb|200px|''The three words that best describe you are as follows, and I quote: Stink, stank, stunk!'']]

In a conversation with dead Bumblebee, a bitter and lonely Starscream decided to get some of the goodwill felt by the colonies' return and declared a new holiday, "[[Chosen One Day]]". While he intended for everyone to remember they owed their goodwill to ''him'' and show him some, it was misread as a holiday to show your loved ones goodwill instead. This worked in his favour as everyone assumed he'd done that deliberately. Wheeljack, Windblade, and the Council members showed up to toast him and honour him with a night of friendship. {{storylink|Choose Me}}

During a broodfest, [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] showed up with his fellow Decepticons to ''oh so politely'' ask for a 'favour': they wanted Starscream to look the other way while they used the spacebridge later. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 1: Aphelion|Aphelion}} Rather than cause trouble, Starscream allowed it and when [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] at the space port noticed the Decepticon movement, Starscream told him not to "overreact" to "a stroll". Later, unsure and talking it through with 'Bumblebee', he let an actual moment of ''conscience'' decide his actions and informed Windblade of the Decepticon movement. But a bit too late! {{storylink|Conquerors Part 2: Lagrange|Lagrange}} Starscream headed in with reinforcements to help in the form of Badgeless and Superion and was pissed to find Optimus there already with [[Victorion|his ''own'' combiner]], pulling rank again. He ordered all the defeated Decepticons rounded up for later and agreed to get the spacebridge up and running to allow Optimus to stop Galvatron on Earth. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 4: Perihelion|Perihelion}} The situation swiftly went terrible again as the Decepticons started fighting again as soon as Victorion was gone and when Starscream called in Devastator, he only trashed the place and let fugitives escape. Man, how could this get worse—Optimus declaring Earth a protectorate? Yeah, that'd do it. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 1: Once Upon a Time on Earth|Once Upon a Time on Earth}}

[[File:NewWorldsOrder-StarscreamAndBumblebee.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"And I didn't even get the lousiest of T-shirts."]]
After Windblade, Optimus et al. had kept hinting he was a dodgy neo-imperialist, Starscream was ''utterly livid'' when Optimus ''actually'' annexed a planet and part of the Council of Worlds, all without talking to anyone else. He said they couldn't give Prime a seat and justify conquest, and was left distraught when Windblade agreed but said they should give Prime the ''benefit of the doubt''. In a conversation with dead Bumblebee, Starscream compared Prime's actions to Megatron's and [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]'s and warned that this would go the same way. {{storylink|New Worlds Order}} Shortly after, Starscream witnessed a broadcast from the ''Lost Light'' of crew members about to be executed. He watched with fear as he knew they were victims of the [[Decepticon Justice Division]]. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}} Roughly around this time, Starscream came into contact with [[Airachnid (G1)|Airachnid]], a [[Eukaris|Eukarian]] [[Mnemosurgery|mnemosurgeon]] whom he tasked with finding [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle's]] body. {{storylink|The Price of You}}

Airachnid's methods however were less than subtle and following a series of mnemosurgical attacks on Decepticons around Iacon, Starscream oversaw a meeting of councillor [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]]'s Justice Committee. The Carcer delegate proposed Ironhide be appointed to investigate possible Badgeless involvement in the crimes, and Starscream reluctantly agreed to consider the proposal while feigning ignorance about the murders. After Badgeless officers shot a drunk Decepticon under suspicious circumstances later that day, Windblade accused Starscream of orchestrating the murders in an attempt to locate the seemingly missing corpse of Swindle, but the sovereign of Cybertron threatened her in return with his knowledge of Chromia's bomb plot. Immediately afterwards, Starscream was aghast to discover that video footage of the murder had surfaced and was being broadcast on the city news. {{storylink|07:00:00}}

[[File:ApplicableSkills-ourfearlessleader.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"It's out of control. It's out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."]]

A mob of angry citizens quickly formed outside Starscream's residence. After being needled by dead Bumblebee, the ruler of Cybertron was dragged to an emergency meeting of the Council of Worlds, where he immediately proposed that the Decepticon ghetto be locked down by the Badgeless. The other councillors quickly shot down the idea, and Starscream in return refused Rattrap's proposal to summons Victorion from Earth. He went on to explain his fear that events were being manipulated by his former ally [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]], out for revenge, before eventually agreeing to a plan for the situation: appoint Ironhide the new head of the Badgeless, to carry out a full investigation of recent events. As they watched Ironhide, Starscream confided in Windblade that he didn't possess Swindle's body, before blackmailing the Cityspeaker into taking responsibility for dealing with Onslaught and his [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. {{storylink|Applicable Skills}}

Several weeks later, Starscream caught Windblade on the way out of a council session to demanded a report, and was told that Onslaught was, by all appearances, not carrying out any scheme or plan. They were interrupted by an incoming message for the Cityspeaker, but Starscream refused to let her answer it until he was certain she was carrying out his bidding, again dangling his knowledge of Chromia's misdeeds in front of Windblade. {{storylink|Things We Said We'd Never Do}} As it happened, the call had been from Chromia, who had now witnessed the Combaticons use the Enigma of Combination to merge with the brain-dead Swindle into [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]. As security forces evacuated the councillors, Starscream attempted to blackmail Windblade into helping kill the rampaging combiner. Ultimately, however, Ironhide took down Bruticus, whilst Chromia admitted to her crimes on a live news broadcast, as an unhappy Starscream looked on. {{storylink|The Line Between Us}}

[[File:ItsBeginningToAndBackAgain-StarscreamAndRattrap.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"Yeah well, I'm gonna go raise my own Titan. With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the Titan!"]]

Optimus (who'd been haunted by dreams of Starscream accusing him of hypocrisy) finally contacted Starscream, along with the Mistress of Flame and Soundwave, proposing to meet with each of them to discuss recent events. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 2: Edge of the Earth|Edge of the Earth}} When Prime arrived on Cybertron for his meeting with Starscream and the Council of Worlds, the ex-Decepticon took a moment to revel in the Autobot leader's newfound bad reputation before arriving fashionably late. Accusing Optimus of starting an interstellar war, Starscream dismissed Optimus as another tyrannical [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] who ''took'' power rather than being ''chosen'' like he was. Citing the general populace's loss of faith in Optimus, Cybertron's leader announced that the council would not stand with Optimus, before striding away. The next morning, Starscream summoned the news team of [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] and [[Longtooth]] for a special task – travelling to Earth to show everybody firsthand what Optimus Prime's actions had wrought. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 3: The Medium and the Message|The Medium and the Message}}

This plan worked out rather nicely for Starscream, who watched with joy as live footage of human military forces attacking Optimus Prime's troops was beamed back to Cybertron. Dead Bumblebee insisted Prime's refusal to retaliate would show his heroism, but Cybertron's leader was confident he could spin any outcome to his advantage. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 4: It's Beginning To And Back Again|It's Beginning To And Back Again}} When the humans finally surrounded Prime, Starscream was ecstatic, but moments later, was taken aback when the Autobot raised Metrotitan, thought dead, from the ground! {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above...So Below}} The ex-Decepticon was quickly called to an emergency council meeting by Windblade. Prime's holy act changed the group's tune, and they soon decided to declare Earth a colony world. Looking out over his planet, Starscream sulked about the decision whilst Bumblebee said "I told you so" – Optimus Prime had come out on top. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 6: No Fair Fights|No Fair Fights}}

When a massive energy discharge was detected at the former site of Kaon, Starscream was roped into investigating personally by Windblade. Shockingly, they found the city intact within a crater, but this matter was quickly forgotten when the pair were called back to Iacon, where none other than the long-dead Sentinel Prime was on a rampage! Starscream fired on the false Prime, but got a [[spark disruptor]] thrown onto his chest for his troubles. Luckily for the ex-Decepticon, Windblade was able to jump the disruptor onto her own spark, where its detonation was non-fatal thanks to the differing frequency of Camien sparks. The pair quickly flew to regroup with the forces fighting Sentinel Prime at the space bridge. {{storylink|The Last Autobot}}

Discussing recent events, General [[Joe Colton]], [[Scarlett]] and [[Miles Mayhem|Miles Manheim]] recalled Starscream's part in the [[Transformer]]s' early battles over Ore-13 on Earth. {{storylink|Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|Secret Raiders}} When Windblade merged with Metrotitan's mind, she saw glimpses of all her possibles pasts and futures, many of which included Starscream. {{storylink|Informed}}

[[File:Ping-Starscream.jpg|right|thumb|250px|"I ''am'' the Senate."]]

Starscream and Rattrap were soon summoned to Ironhide's office to discuss turning over the [[Enigma of Combination]] to Ironhide which Starscream (shockingly) refused to do. Ironhide them gave him a stirring speech telling him it was time for Starscream to actually start leading instead of playing political games. Before anything else could be said all three of their communicators pinged at the exact same time. Regrouping at the [[Spire]], Starscream was shocked to hear Windblade and Obsidian's report of a fleet of undead [[Titan (IDW)|Titans]] bearing down on Cybertron. Taking Ironhide's speech to spark, Starscream told everyone to rally for war and drafted every ship into service. After transmitting a rousing speech (and saying any ship who fled would be either shot down or declared an enemy of the state), the fighting began. While things began promisingly enough, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] soon fell and Starscream saw fit to contact [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] to request [[Vigilem|Carcer]] be transformed and brought to the surface. She refused. {{storylink|Ping}} After another failed try, Starscream gathered the [[Council of Worlds]] and told them to begin evacuating Cybertron. Windblade refused to do so however believing that either she or [[Lightbright (G1)|Lightbright]] could access Carcer's brain and convince the Titan to aid Cybertron on their own. Agreeing, Starscream sent a contingent of Cybertronian ships and Devastator to attack Carcer as a distraction informing Elita to never underestimate the depths of his pettiness. {{storylink|Desperate Measures (Till All Are One)|Desperate Times}} While waiting for news, Bumblebee commented that Windblade and Starscream would get so much more accomplished if they were actually friends. Starscream reminded Bumblebee what [[Death|happened]] to the [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)|last person]] Starscream had considered a friend prompting a confused look from [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] at Starscream for talking to himself. {{storylink|Desperate Measures}} When Windblade had succeeded in awakening Carcer who himself had been successful in destroying the invaders Starscream cheered! {{storylink| Rubicon}}

Which was short lived because not only was Starscream informed "Carcer" was Vigilem and he'd freed [[Liege Maximo]], he soon had to preside over a court case regarding a [[Badgeless]] killing [[Drunkatron|some pleb]]. Though the Badgeless was clearly innocent, Starscream wondered if declaring him guilty would help things. He called a recess when he learned Elita was taking credit for "Carcer's" victory and called her to his office flanked by [[Fireshot (G1)|Fireshot]], [[Tigatron]], [[Moonracer (G1)|Moonracer]] and the [[Mistress of Flame]]. When Elita arrived, she recapped the history of Maximo and his Titan before explaining she'd thought to keep their existence a secret in case someone might have proven foolish, arrogant or desperate enough to free the ancient Prime before telling the Council to ready themselves for war against the member of the [[Thirteen]] and walked off. Starscream agreed that, for the moment, Maximo's freedom should be kept a secret before the Mistress of Flame requested Chromia be turned over to her. Starscream refused so the Mistress instead requested [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] and the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]]. Bumblebee soon appeared to Starscream and told him what to do: Rule the Badgeless innocent, hand over Chromia and stand against Elita. When Starscream pointed out doing all three would make him an easy target, Bumblebee said Starscream was choosing to fight and he could be better. Too bad Starscream didn't believe that himself as he convicted the innocent 'bot. He then freed Chromia into the Mistress's custody on the condition that she hunt down and slay Liege Maximo. {{storylink|Heavy}}

[[File:ThePriceOfYou-StarscreamBumblebee.jpg|left|thumb|250px|"The way is open."]]
With Elita soon ready to return to orbit, Starscream was summoned by Airachnid to give her report on the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. Airachnid revealed that while it was normally impractical to try and alter the minds of so many, she could do so after the five had combined but needed a willing lynchpin to make sure the other four didn't pick up on the lie. Starscream had Airachnid patch him into [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off's]] mind where Starscream offerred to make his dream of "domestic bliss" with Onslaught a reality. Blast Off agreed and Starscream later spoke with Ironhide that the now loyal Combaticons would not be prosecuted since Airachnid had discovered (through genuine medical examination of course) that the Combaticons could not be held culpable for their actions. {{storylink|The Price of You}} Starscream was soon approached by [[Windblade's doctor|a doctor]] who brought him to [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] revealing her to not be brain dead but to have shut down due to ''too much'' data in her brain. Deducing it was Vigilem, Starscream nonetheless refused to delegate a mnemosurgeon. This was the final straw for Bumblebee who demanded to know why Starscream always pushed good people away. Starscream responded that every time he opened himself up, life (usually wearing Megatron's face) would beat the tar out of him. Seeing the odd looks he was getting, Starscream pretended to turn on his comm. and told Bumblebee to leave if he was so disgusted by him. And leave Bumblebee did. Starscream then allowed Blast Off to see Swindle while consulting Airachnid about how to help Windblade. The answer was simple: A third bot would enter her head and help her destroy Vigilem assuming the strain of three minds didn't kill all three. Reluctantly Starscream realized he had no choice but to help her. {{storylink|If I Know You}}

Starscream arrived and made a heroic entrance by shooting Vigilem in the back. Alas, Windblade was not grateful as Starscream had failed to consider a risk in the plan. By linking his mind to hers, Vigilem was able to access it and escape through Starscream. The evil Titan smirked and adopted the form of Starscream's worst fear: [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]].

[[File:Your First Mistake - Screamys True Form.jpg|right|thumb|250px|"Oh, no forged body for Starscream huh? Fine. I'll go build my own Vector Sigma. With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the Vector Sigma and the blackjack! Aw screw the whole thing."]]
Now in Starscream's mind, Vigilem began beating Starscream through all his bodies wearing down his confidence before he prepared to execute him and take his body. Windblade saved him by scooping up Starscream's spark before she witnessed his birth. Horrified by cold construction, Windblade summoned a mental copy of the [[Forge of Solus Prime]] and began forging Starscream's true self, each strike bringing up a mental projection of someone who had an impact on Starscream's life, the ghosts holding off Vigilem. When she was done, Starscream stood as a towering version of what he would like were his spark allowed to shape its own body. Stomping down Vigilem, the two jets were able to defeat the Titan and returned to the real world though Starscream insisted nothing had changed. Windblade cheekily bounced away telling Starscream not to be so foolish or close minded and that she'd now be her own bot and not just a mouthpiece for others. {{storylink|Your First Mistake}}

Optimus Prime later showed up to try and petition the [[Council of Worlds]] to grant [[Earth]] a spot on the Council and trade with the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]]. Starscream refused both citing the [[Tyrest Accord]] saying Cybertron needed its resources to rebuild and that aliens were likely to use Cybertronian technology to ''attack'' Cybertron. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|Behind My Bleeding Back}} When [[Jazz (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Jazz]] was interviewed by humans, he remembered Starscream's presence in the invasion of Earth as well as mentioning that Starscream now ruled Cybertron. {{storylink|What It's Really Like}} When [[Sideswipe (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Sideswipe]] was given a mental projection to die peacefully, he remembered Starscream's deal with Sunstreaker. {{storylink|The Life of Sideswipe}}

When Optimus and [[Pyra Magna]] returned to Cybertron to the [[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]], Starscream spied on them from afar with Bumblebee. Starscream scoffed at how saccharine Bumblebee's origins were before the conversation turned to [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Onyx Prime]]. Starscream then flew off while commenting to Bumblebee that the yellow 'bot was just a figment of the Seeker's imagination. {{storylink|Ghost Stories}}

While a new [[hot spot]] had lit up in [[Alyon]] a few months earlier, Starscream was in no rush to harvest the sparks and instead kept its existence a secret, explaining to an outraged [[Swift (G1)|Swift]] that what with all the recent attacks, Cybertron was currently too dangerous to introduce a new generation to. He also sought to take care of the Dinobots, who'd gone rogue, killed many Badgeless and supposedly kidnapped [[Strafe (IDW)|Strafe]], but since they were still Autobots and he didn't want conflict with Optimus Prime, he acted off the record by offering Sandstorm freedom in exchange for their deaths. Unfortunately the Alyon sparks were stolen by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and used to revive [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. prompting Starscream to deploy Devastator in Iacon's defense. After Trypticon was freed from Bludgeon's control and made off with the sparks, Starscream recovered the defeated Bludgeon, one of his mutated sparks and the remains of Slug, and began making plans. {{storylink|The Transformers: Salvation|Salvation}} The experiments eventually bore fruit, succeeding in bringing Slug back to life. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 1}}

[[File:OriginMyths-Starscream.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Pay no attention to me being the ''Combiner Wars'' body again for just this issue]]

Soon before Earth announced its chosen ambassador, ''Lord'' Starscream (best to get in the habit now) was called to Alpha Trion's apartment (and was bemused by the books) where the old sage recounted the origins of the Autobot insignia. Starscream, failing to grasp the story's meaning, questioned whether he was supposed to be [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] or Arcee, expressed disbelief that Arcee and Galvatron were twins, found "Megatronus" to be a made-up name and asked that since Alpha Trion said all stories were lies, why should be believe any of it? Earth then called to announce its representative to the [[Council of Worlds]], [[Marissa Faireborn]]. Starscream grumbled and said he'd prepare the plaza. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

As the ceremony started, Starscream began a speech only for an explosion to cut him off. Demanding a status report from Ironhide and Windblade, he learnt that [[Red Shadows|tiny red robots]] were waiting to strike inside false Cybertronians. Starscream suspected human involvement and ordered the Space Bridge closed. {{storylink|First Strike issue 1|First Strike #1}} Heroically cowering in the [[Spire]], Starscream accused Elita One of treachery only for the femme to say humans were responsible and prepared to execute Marissa. Marissa however soon humbled Elita into calling for reinforcements from Carcer...only for the [[Solstar Order]] to transmit to Cybertron that they'd detected Dire Wraith energy signatures emanating from Cybertron and had quarantined the planet. Starscream called foul on this, familiar with the tactics of the Dire Wraiths and suspected Elita was up to another trick but the Carcerian informed him that Cybertron was on its own. {{storylink|First Strike issue 2|First Strike #2}} The debate of what to do continued until [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[M.A.S.K.]] were brought before the Council where Elita ordered them executed. {{storylink|First Strike issue 3|First Strike #3}}

As the Council debated over that, Starscream advised Elita not to mention her past before he shut everyone up and reminded them of the fact that he was in charge of Cybertron and thus the final decision was his. Conceding that tricking Soundwave was nigh-impossible, Starscream asked [[Scarlett]] what Colton's plan was and she revealed to knowing nothing save a gut feeling that it involved some sort of bomb. Scoffing at the threat of humans bringing any harm to Cybertron, he threw G.I. Joe and M.A.S.K. in jail under suspicion charges before informing Optimus that not everyone shared Elita's feeling about him, some hated him even more than she did. Despite his posturing however, he sent Ironhide and [[Sunstreaker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Sunstreaker]] after Colton so as to not look weak with approval to use lethal force. {{storylink|First Strike issue 4|First Strike #4}}

[[File:FirstStrike5-satisfying.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Perhaps... a quiet chuckle.]]

[[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] soon brought the news that Optimus had broken the humans out of jail with Windblade arriving soon after to deliver the same news. Before doing anything, Starscream took a moment to enjoy the fact that everyone had come to him for help in stopping Optimus Prime.

Starscream then called in Ironhide and directed everyone to follow Optimus's trail, with orders to bring the humans in alive. Elita surprisingly offered herself and Obsidian as backup, though Starscream reminded her that he was in charge. {{storylink|First Strike issue 5|First Strike #5}}

The group caught up with the hostiles outside the core chamber, where Starscream placed everyone under arrest and fired a missile at Optimus, before engaging him in melee combat. The fighting was interrupted by [[Merklynn|Garrison Kreiger]] activating the alien [[Talisman (G1)|Talisman]] and revealing himself as an alien sorcerer known as Merklynn, creating [[New Prysmos]] and teleporting all combatants back to Iacon. On the surface, Starscream took Colton's rueful mumblings as his "witnessed confession" but was prevented from executing the human by Scarlett. {{storylink|First Strike issue 6|First Strike #6}}

With Cybertron's own energon now unpalatable to its people, Starscream sampled the human-made substitute. It was terrible. At a Council meeting to debate the energy crisis, Starscream opined that the [[Solstar Order]] was indebted to Cybertron for their obstructive blockade before he was called away by Optimus Prime and [[G.B. Blackrock|Garrison Blackrock]]. Scoffing at Prime's accusations regarding the Seeker concealing the existence of the newborn [[protoform]]s, Starscream loaned them [[Slag (G1)|Slug]] and sent them on their way, {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 1}} hoping that the protoforms would then be turned over to him. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 2 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 2}} When [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] used the [[Void Scepter]] to make Slug attack the Dinobots, Bumblebee noted he was not acting according to Starscream's plan. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 1}} After being informed of this, the Seeker came running and shattered the Void Scepter before going on a rant about his plan falling apart. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 2 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 2}}

From atop his tower, Starscream watched the unwashed masses lavish praises onto Optimus with ''[[The Birth of Cybertron]]'' playing in the background. The old film gave Starscream an idea to consolidate his power and win over [[Earth]]. To that end, he sought out [[Thundercracker (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Thundercracker]] and hired him to produce [[Starscream: The Movie (film)|a biographical film]] about Starscream's life. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

[[File:TheChosenOne-imsorry.jpg|left|thumb|250px|''I guess I gotta give part two of my confessions'' ''If I'm gonna tell it, then I gotta tell it all'']]

To mark Windblade's return to the Council of Worlds, Starscream called in [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] and [[Longtooth]] for a photo-op but promptly kicked them out when Windblade nearly revealed [[Liege Maximo]]'s freedom. When Windblade stormed off to inform Circuit and Longtooth of this news, Starscream promised to look the other way if the [[Mistress of Flame]] wanted to tackle Windblade down. On [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]]'s "advisement", Starscream called for free elections and confessed to Bumblebee that after seeing his "true self", he only had the best intentions for Cybertron, before organizing the debate schedule. Later on, he outlined his power infrastructure plans to Bumblebee before Windblade arrived with a briefcase containing all of his very dirty laundry. Unable to manipulate Windblade anymore, Starscream aggressively began looking for holes in the evidence, only to learn Bumblebee would not help him, saying the Seeker had to decide how much his future expansion meant to him. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

Thundercracker then visited Starscream to find out what the Decepticons had meant to the chancellor. Starscream claimed it had been his job to point the Decepticons on the path of righteousness. A task that had failed due to the Decepticons ignoring Starscream's advice. But now they weren't. Now everyone listened to Starscream. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

At the electoral debate, Starscream listened to Windblade's speech before he had a moment of conscience and, before all of Cybertron, confessed each and every one of his crimes (which took over an hour), costing him everything and landing him a life sentence.

[[File:AnotherMine-TrueSelfHologram.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''So, yes, I still do bad things But are they actually bad? No!'']]
Visiting him in his cell, Windblade gifted Starscream with a holo-projector of his forged body, signifying that he had finally fulfilled the ancient prophecy of the "Chosen One". By getting Cybertron to turn against him, he had succeeded in uniting the planet. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

Incorporating this latest development into his film, Thundercracker visited Starscream in his cell and showed him the finished product. Displaying uncharasteric concern for others' feelings, Starscream claimed the film was "delightful but irrelevant" given his imprisonment. Despite his attempts to bury the film, Thundercracker was insistent on it getting out prompting Starscream to request [[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]] pass along a message to a friend. On Starscream's orders, two [[Badgeless]] then diverted Thundercracker to [[Prion]] where they tried to kill him. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

Starscream took his life sentence in stride, happy to let others carry the burden of planetary leadership and convinced his reign would be viewed, at worst, as a step in the right direction. When [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] arrived to vent his disappointment, the discussion was interrupted when Bumblebee told Starscream that a gigantic optic had appeared in the sky. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} The confusion passed quickly as the Seeker was more content to stare at the holo-image of his "true" self and languish what he could have been if he'd been allowed to live as he was meant to. Bumblebee disputed that believing everyone was defined by the sum of their own experiences and that, at least in part, Starscream's imprisonment was on him. Starscream disagreed. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}}

==Spotlight: Mirage==
At the war's end, Starscream and a small team of Decepticons accompanied the mercenary [[Mirage (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Mirage]] to the [[Pegasus Star Cluster]]. He led the Decepticons into the Autobot bunker after Mirage destroyed the Autobot security system, but stood back during the ensuing fight. After Megatron ordered the Autobot prisoners executed, Starscream held [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] back as Mirage prepared to kill [[Hound (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Hound]].

But it was all Mirage's dream... or was it? {{storylink|Spotlight: Mirage}}

==Notes==
[[File:Wfc-starscream-0.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb]]
*Starscream's appearance in the first half of ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' seems to be based more on this concept drawing of him for the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|War for Cybertron]]'' game, rather than his actual appearance in either of the two games. This is most noticeable when looking at his pelvic region and thighs.
*Also, the crown he occasionally wears in later issues of the comic is based on the crown he sports in ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'', which in itself is based on the crown he wears in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
*As the issues go by, Starscream takes to a habit of changing into a new body whenever the toyline at the time releases a new toy rendition of him.
**Which is eventually explained in-universe as a subconscious rejection of his bodies.

{{-}}

==External links==
*{{i|Starscream}} at the IDW Hasbro Wiki

[[Category:Council members]]
[[Category:Decepticon leaders]]
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 Transformers]]
[[Category:Matrix bearers]]
[[Category:Neutrals]]
[[Category:Politicians]]
[[Category:Rulers of Cybertron]]
[[Category:Seekers]]

Talk:Volcanicus (POTP)

2018-03-04T02:25:28Z

KrytenKoro: /* Mis instructions */

== The Beast ==
I really don't think this article should be merged with The Beast. They're both Dinobot combiners but they're very clearly two separate characters. As it states in the article, The Dinobots had to actually break themselves down to combine rather than just transform into the separate components. The Beast was also a violent, raging...well, beast, while Volcanicus here seems to be much more "controlled" and not as eager to abruptly switch sides, based on what we saw from the Earth Wars teaser.

Just because they're both dinobot combiners doesn't make them the same thing. [[Mega-Dinobot]] isn't merged with The Beast, so why should Volcanicus be? [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 18:34, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
:I am also feeling inclined to keep the two separate. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:50, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
::Those sound like really arbitrary points. Consistent characterization isn't a thing in ''Transformers'' and we don't even split up pages based on different component members ([[Galvatronus (Generations)|Galvatronus]]...). Mega-Dinobot is also made up of only two dudes and is from a completely different continuity family. The point is that both are literally just the same concept (combiner made up of the five Dinobots). [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:57, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
:::Galvatronus is a different case, though, I feel. The toy and the appearance in the IDW comics do not directly contradict each other outside of the formation(though, to be honest, I always felt the IDW and Generations pages should be split anyway, but that's a discussion for another time). We know from Earth Wars that Volcanicus is an Autobot combiner. The Beast ''isn't'', it's a rampaging monster that kills whatever it sees. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 19:14, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
::::Galvatronus isn't a different case if you're being picky about how they combine (also [[Liokaiser]]). Re:Characterization: Cloud Grimlock is a Decepticon "slaughter machine". Cartoon Shockwave is a spineless loyalist while Marvel Shockwave is a logical military commander while IDW Shockwave is an amoral scientist. We still don't split those pages apart because those characterizations are irreconcilable. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:26, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
:::::Devastator is still Devastator even with 1 or 2 Autobots mixed in there; the (literal) gestalt personality overrides the components. Liokaiser still even LOOKS LIKE he always did when es missing Leozak and using Deathsaurus instead. But Volcanicus has a different name, look, combination scheme, and personality from the Beast. The same components merge into a different goal. I think they should stay separate. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 23:10, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
I reject merging it with the Beast. I think the different name and staggeringly different conceptual intent are enough to justify keeping Volcanicus and Beast apart. Yes, Dinobot combiner = Dinobot combiner, but while the Beast is a Dinobot combiner gone horribly wrong, Volcanicus is a Dinobot combiner done right / played straight / however you want to put it. It's closer to Grand Galvatron vs. Galvatronus than comparing different configurations of Galvatronus. And practically speaking, if they were merged I believe neither Volcanicus nor the Beast deserves to be subsumed into the page of the other. Volcanicus is going to be whatever he's going to be...he shouldn't be hidden away on the Beast's page. And the Beast is such a uniquely horrible piece of Transformers history, both ironically and unironically...it shouldn't be squeezed onto a Volcanicus page. This is one of those cases where EVEN IF the rules support merging the two (and I don't concede they do), the more user-friendly outcome is to keep them separate. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 23:17, 9 September 2017 (EDT)

No this shouldn't be merged with The Beast. Obviously a mention and link should be in the notes section, but they should not be the same article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 23:22, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
:I think we lose a lot of information by making The Beast a footnote on Volcanicus's page. A lot of salty, salty information that makes my tummy warm. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 23:41, 9 September 2017 (EDT)

If Cyclonus can transform into the torso modes of two different combiners (Galvatronus and Grand Galvatron), Optimus Prime can transform into the torso modes of two different combiners (Ultra Prime and Optimus Maximus), and Scattershot can transform into the torso modes of ''three'' different combiners (Computron, Betatron, and Modulus), then I don't see why Grimlock can't likewise transform into the torso modes of two different combiners. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:03, 10 September 2017 (EDT)
:NO--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 05:24, 10 September 2017 (EDT)
:"... I don't see why Grimlock can't likewise transform into the torso modes of two different combiners." ...with all the same components. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 11:40, 10 September 2017 (EDT)

CONSENSUS: No move. While there are several good technical reasons to merge them, [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-418 the prevailing sentiment] is that the pages just feel better kept separate, and we're fine with that reasoning. The pages stay separate.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 21:31, 10 September 2017 (EDT)
:'cuz, look, when I want to redirect some random internet person to the <strike>Glory</strike> that is The Beast, I don't want to have to link to a subsection buried on a page for something else way more important, cut off from all its hilarious footnotes, and stripped of its now-unnecessary intro. It would be the darkest timeline. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 00:17, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
::I volunteer to supply the salt! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:19, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
:::I mean, that's a better argument than "uhh, one is more crazy". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 03:21, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
::::I mean...they look pretty dang similar. The biggest difference I'm seeing is that Swoop's wings get moved to the back, and the crazier head. The rest of it is personality differences, which combiners have had across various media before.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:13, 21 February 2018 (EST)

== Mis instructions ==

Slug,s legs actually have a clear slot to peg into, if you flip them around,
and sludges snap in if you rotate them about 45 down. [[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 21:23, 3 March 2018 (EST)

Talk:Volcanicus (POTP)

2018-03-04T02:23:37Z

KrytenKoro: /* Mis instructions */ new section

== The Beast ==
I really don't think this article should be merged with The Beast. They're both Dinobot combiners but they're very clearly two separate characters. As it states in the article, The Dinobots had to actually break themselves down to combine rather than just transform into the separate components. The Beast was also a violent, raging...well, beast, while Volcanicus here seems to be much more "controlled" and not as eager to abruptly switch sides, based on what we saw from the Earth Wars teaser.

Just because they're both dinobot combiners doesn't make them the same thing. [[Mega-Dinobot]] isn't merged with The Beast, so why should Volcanicus be? [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 18:34, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
:I am also feeling inclined to keep the two separate. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:50, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
::Those sound like really arbitrary points. Consistent characterization isn't a thing in ''Transformers'' and we don't even split up pages based on different component members ([[Galvatronus (Generations)|Galvatronus]]...). Mega-Dinobot is also made up of only two dudes and is from a completely different continuity family. The point is that both are literally just the same concept (combiner made up of the five Dinobots). [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:57, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
:::Galvatronus is a different case, though, I feel. The toy and the appearance in the IDW comics do not directly contradict each other outside of the formation(though, to be honest, I always felt the IDW and Generations pages should be split anyway, but that's a discussion for another time). We know from Earth Wars that Volcanicus is an Autobot combiner. The Beast ''isn't'', it's a rampaging monster that kills whatever it sees. [[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 19:14, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
::::Galvatronus isn't a different case if you're being picky about how they combine (also [[Liokaiser]]). Re:Characterization: Cloud Grimlock is a Decepticon "slaughter machine". Cartoon Shockwave is a spineless loyalist while Marvel Shockwave is a logical military commander while IDW Shockwave is an amoral scientist. We still don't split those pages apart because those characterizations are irreconcilable. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:26, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
:::::Devastator is still Devastator even with 1 or 2 Autobots mixed in there; the (literal) gestalt personality overrides the components. Liokaiser still even LOOKS LIKE he always did when es missing Leozak and using Deathsaurus instead. But Volcanicus has a different name, look, combination scheme, and personality from the Beast. The same components merge into a different goal. I think they should stay separate. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 23:10, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
I reject merging it with the Beast. I think the different name and staggeringly different conceptual intent are enough to justify keeping Volcanicus and Beast apart. Yes, Dinobot combiner = Dinobot combiner, but while the Beast is a Dinobot combiner gone horribly wrong, Volcanicus is a Dinobot combiner done right / played straight / however you want to put it. It's closer to Grand Galvatron vs. Galvatronus than comparing different configurations of Galvatronus. And practically speaking, if they were merged I believe neither Volcanicus nor the Beast deserves to be subsumed into the page of the other. Volcanicus is going to be whatever he's going to be...he shouldn't be hidden away on the Beast's page. And the Beast is such a uniquely horrible piece of Transformers history, both ironically and unironically...it shouldn't be squeezed onto a Volcanicus page. This is one of those cases where EVEN IF the rules support merging the two (and I don't concede they do), the more user-friendly outcome is to keep them separate. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 23:17, 9 September 2017 (EDT)

No this shouldn't be merged with The Beast. Obviously a mention and link should be in the notes section, but they should not be the same article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 23:22, 9 September 2017 (EDT)
:I think we lose a lot of information by making The Beast a footnote on Volcanicus's page. A lot of salty, salty information that makes my tummy warm. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 23:41, 9 September 2017 (EDT)

If Cyclonus can transform into the torso modes of two different combiners (Galvatronus and Grand Galvatron), Optimus Prime can transform into the torso modes of two different combiners (Ultra Prime and Optimus Maximus), and Scattershot can transform into the torso modes of ''three'' different combiners (Computron, Betatron, and Modulus), then I don't see why Grimlock can't likewise transform into the torso modes of two different combiners. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:03, 10 September 2017 (EDT)
:NO--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 05:24, 10 September 2017 (EDT)
:"... I don't see why Grimlock can't likewise transform into the torso modes of two different combiners." ...with all the same components. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 11:40, 10 September 2017 (EDT)

CONSENSUS: No move. While there are several good technical reasons to merge them, [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-418 the prevailing sentiment] is that the pages just feel better kept separate, and we're fine with that reasoning. The pages stay separate.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 21:31, 10 September 2017 (EDT)
:'cuz, look, when I want to redirect some random internet person to the <strike>Glory</strike> that is The Beast, I don't want to have to link to a subsection buried on a page for something else way more important, cut off from all its hilarious footnotes, and stripped of its now-unnecessary intro. It would be the darkest timeline. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 00:17, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
::I volunteer to supply the salt! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:19, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
:::I mean, that's a better argument than "uhh, one is more crazy". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 03:21, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
::::I mean...they look pretty dang similar. The biggest difference I'm seeing is that Swoop's wings get moved to the back, and the crazier head. The rest of it is personality differences, which combiners have had across various media before.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:13, 21 February 2018 (EST)

== Mis instructions ==

Slug,s legs actually have a clear slot to peg into, if you flip them around.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 21:23, 3 March 2018 (EST)

Talk:Ravenspar

2018-02-21T18:16:36Z

KrytenKoro:

{{delete}}
I have a sneaking suspicion that Ravenspar might be female. From the feminine-sounding name to the svelte mold used, I wouldn't say it's too unlikely. Of course, we'd need to ask Hasbro (or wait until we can [[ask Vector Prime]] again) in order to know for sure. [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 21:09, 1 December 2017 (EST)

I agree with the "probably female" thing. At least, it might be worth rephrasing the entry to remove gendered pronouns (when talking about the actual toy, "it" is acceptable).[[User:Dvandom|Dvandom]] ([[User talk:Dvandom|talk]]) 17:36, 9 December 2017 (EST)
:There is nothing "probably female" about Ravenspar. Ravenspar is a mold of a male character with a genderless name. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 18:11, 9 December 2017 (EST)
::There's nothing "probably male" about it, either.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:16, 21 February 2018 (EST)

Talk:Volcanicus (POTP)

2018-02-21T18:13:55Z

KrytenKoro:

Volcanicus (POTP)

2018-02-21T18:10:17Z

KrytenKoro: /* Notes */

{{faction|autobot}}
{{disambig2|the combiner made up of the Autobot Dinobots|the similarly-named combiner made up of Decepticon dinosaurs|Volcanicon}}
:''Volcanicus is an [[Autobot]] [[combiner]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[File:Earth Wars Volcanicus.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|But whither [[Slash (Generations)|Slash]]?]]

'''Volcanicus''' is the fearsome combination of the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], ready to deliver [[Decepticon]]s 65 million years of pain.

He comprises:
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (torso)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slug]] (left arm)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (right arm)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (left leg)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (right leg)

{{TOCclear}}

==Fiction==
===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
{{voiceactor|[[Gregg Berger]] (English)}}
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes}}}}
{{-}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:Volcanicus EarthWars SurvivaloftheFittest.jpg|thumb|300px|'Monster' is a relative term. To a canary, a cat is a monster. We're just used to being the cat.]]

After Snarl retrieved the plans for the Quintesson Hive Matrix, he stated that the Dinobots would soon be one. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars|Mission Accomplished}}

Grimlock wanted to form his combiner almost immediately, so he got help from Jetfire to open the Enigma vault, and got his hands on the Enigma. But Swoop noticed a cerebro shell in the back of Jetfire's head. Trying to form Volcanicus, Grimock ordered the dinobots to combine, but nothing happened! As it turns out, the Dinobots didn't know how to work the enigma! Soon, Bruticus and Superion arrive, and the two duke it out while Grimlock desperately tries to figure out how to use the enigma.

But Optimus activated the Enigma, creating Volcanicus and Predaking in the process. Springer retreived the enigma, but the Dinobots and Predacons had unfinished business, so they settled on finishing the score later, in their new combined forms!

*'''Lowest Star Rating''': Requires 3 star or higher bots to combine. Can use 5 star bots, if available.
*'''Class:''' Combiner
*'''Weapons''': Volcanicus is surprisingly versatile being the combiner of the dinobots. He attacks by jumping onto things and smashing them with his fists or his sword. He also can use Slag / Slug's natural fire ability to set a large area on fire. Volcanicus can also use his sword to send a beam up that rains down as Meteors to heavily damage an area.
*'''Abilities''':
**'''Energo-Sword''' - Jump and strike with the Energo-Sword! Deals massive damage to the target and anything directly behind it.
**'''Fire And Brimstone''' - Set a wide area on fire dealing an average of 2,280 damage over 8 seconds.
**'''Extinction''' - A shower of meteors bombards a very large area dealing an average damage over 10 seconds. Quadruple damage to walls.

==Toys==
===Generations===
[[File:PowerOfThePrimestoy-Volcanicus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[http://news.tfw2005.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/DSC01583.jpg Candy corn] sadly not included.]]

*'''Dinobot Grimlock'''
*'''Dinobot Slug'''
*'''Dinobot Snarl'''
*'''Dinobot Sludge'''
*'''Dinobot Swoop'''

:Part of the ''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' subline of ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'', Volcanicus is formed from one Voyager Class Dinobot and four Deluxe Class Dinobots. As a ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]''-style combiner, Volcanicus can also utilize any ''Combiner Wars'' or ''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' Deluxe as a limb. His [[Enigma of Combination]] is dubbed the ''Dinobot Enigma'', and can be installed within the Grimlock-head's mouth in this form.
{{comingsoontoy|Snarl, Sludge}}
{{-}}

==Notes==
*Volcanicus's sword is based on the one used by ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'' [[Grimlock (WFC)|Grimlock]]. The ''Power of the Primes'' toy does not include this weapon, but feel free to take it from the earlier toy!
*Four of the original five Dinobot designs served as the templates for the "Geisters", recurring villainous henchmen on the 1990 Takara/Sunrise co-production ''[[Brave (franchise)|Brave Exkaiser]]''. In what might be called a vision of things to come, the four were once briefly fused into a single robot called "[[:File:MadGeister.jpg|Mad Geister]]" (マッドガイスター ''Maddo Gaisutā''). However, because each Geister controlled a portion of the combined body—and they had the accumulated brain power of a Froot Loop—this ended rather badly for them. In a more successful (if not [[Mega-Dinobot|also prescient]]) later development, the Geisters learned to merge in groups of two, with Ptera Geist and Thunder Geist forming the centaur-esque "[[:File:PtederAndHormor.jpg|Pteder]]" (プテダー ''Putedā'') and Horn Geist and Armor Geist forming "[[:File:PtederAndHormor.jpg|Hormor]]" (ホーマー ''Hōmā'').

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Volcanicus''' (ボルカニカス ''Borukanikasu'')

==See also==
*[[Beast (G1)|The Beast]]
*[[Mega-Dinobot]]

[[Category:Combined forms]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Dinobots]]
[[Category:Power of the Primes]]
[[Category:Upcoming toy releases]]

Volcanicus (POTP)

2018-02-03T22:21:14Z

KrytenKoro: /* Generations */ fits like a glove

{{faction|autobot}}
{{disambig2|the combiner made up of the Autobot Dinobots|the similarly-named combiner made up of Decepticon dinosaurs|Volcanicon}}
:''Volcanicus is an [[Autobot]] [[combiner]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[File:Earth Wars Volcanicus.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|But whither [[Slash (Generations)|Slash]]?]]

'''Volcanicus''' is the fearsome combination of the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], ready to deliver [[Decepticon]]s 65 million years of pain.

He comprises:
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (torso)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slug]] (left arm)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (right arm)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (left leg)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (right leg)

{{TOCclear}}

==Fiction==
===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
{{voiceactor|[[Gregg Berger]] (English)}}
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes}}}}
{{-}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:Volcanicus EarthWars SurvivaloftheFittest.jpg|thumb|300px|'Monster' is a relative term. To a canary, a cat is a monster. We're just used to being the cat.]]

After Snarl retrieved the plans for the Quintesson Hive Matrix, he stated that the Dinobots would soon be one. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars|Mission Accomplished}}

Grimlock wanted to form his combiner almost immediately, so he got help from Jetfire to open the Enigma vault, and got his hands on the Enigma. But Swoop noticed a cerebro shell in the back of Jetfire's head. Trying to form Volcanicus, Grimock ordered the dinobots to combine, but nothing happened! As it turns out, the Dinobots didn't know how to work the enigma! Soon, Bruticus and Superion arrive, and the two duke it out while Grimlock desperately tries to figure out how to use the enigma.

But Optimus activated the Enigma, creating Volcanicus and Predaking in the process. Springer retreived the enigma, but the Dinobots and Predacons had unfinished business, so they settled on finishing the score later, in their new combined forms!

*'''Lowest Star Rating''': Requires 3 star or higher bots to combine. Can use 5 star bots, if available.
*'''Class:''' Combiner
*'''Weapons''': Volcanicus is surprisingly versatile being the combiner of the dinobots. He attacks by jumping onto things and smashing them with his fists or his sword. He also can use Slag / Slug's natural fire ability to set a large area on fire. Volcanicus can also use his sword to send a beam up that rains down as Meteors to heavily damage an area.
*'''Abilities''':
**'''Energo-Sword''' - Jump and strike with the Energo-Sword! Deals massive damage to the target and anything directly behind it.
**'''Fire And Brimstone''' - Set a wide area on fire dealing an average of 2,280 damage over 8 seconds.
**'''Extinction''' - A shower of meteors bombards a very large area dealing an average damage over 10 seconds. Quadruple damage to walls.

==Toys==
===Generations===
[[File:PowerOfThePrimestoy-Volcanicus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[http://news.tfw2005.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2017/10/DSC01583.jpg Candy corn] sadly not included.]]

*'''Dinobot Grimlock'''
*'''Dinobot Slug'''
*'''Dinobot Snarl'''
*'''Dinobot Sludge'''
*'''Dinobot Swoop'''

:Part of the ''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' subline of ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'', Volcanicus is formed from one Voyager Class Dinobot and four Deluxe Class Dinobots. As a ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]''-style combiner, Volcanicus can also utilize any ''Combiner Wars'' or ''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' Deluxe as a limb. His [[Enigma of Combination]] is dubbed the ''Dinobot Enigma'', and can be installed within the Grimlock-head's mouth in this form.
{{comingsoontoy|Snarl, Sludge}}
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==Notes==
*Volcanicus's sword is based on the one used by ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'' [[Grimlock (WFC)|Grimlock]]. The ''Power of the Primes'' toy does not include this weapon however.
*Four of the original five Dinobot designs served as the templates for the "Geisters", recurring villainous henchmen on the 1990 Takara/Sunrise co-production ''[[Brave (franchise)|Brave Exkaiser]]''. In what might be called a vision of things to come, the four were once briefly fused into a single robot called "[[:File:MadGeister.jpg|Mad Geister]]" (マッドガイスター ''Maddo Gaisutā''). However, because each Geister controlled a portion of the combined body—and they had the accumulated brain power of a Froot Loop—this ended rather badly for them. In a more successful (if not [[Mega-Dinobot|also prescient]]) later development, the Geisters learned to merge in groups of two, with Ptera Geist and Thunder Geist forming the centaur-esque "[[:File:PtederAndHormor.jpg|Pteder]]" (プテダー ''Putedā'') and Horn Geist and Armor Geist forming "[[:File:PtederAndHormor.jpg|Hormor]]" (ホーマー ''Hōmā'').

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Volcanicus''' (ボルカニカス ''Borukanikasu'')

==See also==
*[[Beast (G1)|The Beast]]
*[[Mega-Dinobot]]

[[Category:Combined forms]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Dinobots]]
[[Category:Power of the Primes]]
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Liege Maximo

2017-11-28T23:04:21Z

KrytenKoro: /* Generations */

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[[File:Liegemaximo.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Here I go again on my throne.]]
Evil is infinite, a natural counterforce to good in the universe that cannot be truly defeated. When the [[Prima|first Prime]] was created, so was, necessarily, the '''Liege Maximo''', the robot who now considers himself his opposite, the ultimate evil.

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''Generation 2'' continuity===
====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
From the Liege Maximo were [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and the [[Decepticon]]s descended. The Liege Maximo's throne sat at the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]], a network of planetoids created by the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] that existed in the outer fringes of known space.

With the [[Liege Centuro]] [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] destroyed, Jhiaxus's fleet wiped out by [[Swarm (G2)|The Swarm]], and the [[Autobot]]s and Decepticons united in peace under one banner, [[Rook (G2)|Rook]] reported to the Liege Maximo on the day's devastating events. The Liege Maximo, an ancient and monumental titan, accepted the destruction of Jhiaxus's forces as merely a minor disruption. Sneering at the Transformers' alliance as a fragile thing, the Liege Maximo promised a day of reckoning. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====Alignment====
{{note|"Alignment" was written by [[Simon Furman]] without permission of [[Hasbro]] and is included here as [[pseudocanon]] to provide insight into [[authorial intent]].}}
Liege Maximo was one of the [[Thirteen|thirteen original Transformers]] created by [[Primus]]. Unlike his fellows, he had chosen not to [[Reproduction|subdivide]] repeatedly, doing so only selectively. This created a small taint in the Transformer race which spread through subsequent generations, ultimately flowering with the rise of the Decepticons. Because of this sparse sub-division, the Liege Maximo's connection to the divine origins of the Transformer race was comparatively undiluted, and he sought to embrace it. To this end, he instructed Jhiaxus and the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian Empire]] to subject various planets to [[eco-structuring]]. These planets were steadily woven together to form the Hub, a massive, resonating structure that would allow him to ascend to the realm of the gods. Two Transformer groups, one led by [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and one by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]], disrupted this process by forcing the Liege to leave his corporeal body, then destroying both it and his portal. Left with nowhere to go, the Liege Maximo's essence dissipated, and he was destroyed. {{storylink|Alignment}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
In [[Primax 490.0 Gamma]], the Maximo actually became a heroic figure: Unicron devouring Cybertron had caused Primus's essence to be scattered among the surviving Transformers, most of whom were now the Cybertronian Empire. The Liege Maximo would lead this reformed army and the survivors of Cybertron against Unicron, finally battling the Chaos Bringer himself on the astral plane. He saved this reality at the cost of his own spark. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/24}}

In [[Primax 994.0 Gamma]], the Liege Maximo's plot for ascension was foiled by the Autobots, prompting Liege Centuro [[Firecrest]] to move the remnants of the Cybertronian Empire to [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/05}}

===3H comics===
The [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]] witnessed a vision of the ancient past, in which the Liege Maximo tore the [[Matrix of Leadership]] from the defeated [[Primon]]. When and why this happened remain unanswered questions. {{storylink|Covenant (story)|Covenant}}

Centuries later, in a future timeline when Cybertron was ruled by a tyrant named [[Shokaract]], a [[Maximal]] resistance leader known simply as "the [[Swoop (G1)|Veteran]]" reminisced about other tyrants who had come and gone over the years preceding Shokaract's rule. Among these past tyrants was the Liege Maximo. {{storylink|Schism (story)|Schism}}

===''TransTech''===
The city of [[Axiom Nexus]] in the peaceful universe of [[Nexus 208.0 Epsilon]] was able to achieve unimaginable feats in technology and scientific discovery, but these were secretly possible by the amoral experiments of [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]] and his master [[Jhiaxus (TransTech)|Jhiaxus]] under a secret government partnership with the Liege Maximo.<ref>[[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 22|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #22]].</ref> An archivist named [[Optimus Prime (TransTech)|Optimus]] and the military professional [[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]] exposed [[Sentinel Prime (TransTech)|Sentinel Prime]]'s ties with the Liege Maximo. After a dramatic, violent battle with the Liege Maximo,<ref>[[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 24|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #24]].</ref> much of the government was caught in this controversy, and as a result, few were left standing when the legal proceedings ended. Optimus became the new [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], and Cybertron entered a new [[Golden Age]], but it was not a complete fresh start, as Megatron convinced the [[High Senate]] to allow Shockwave to continue performing experiments under his guidance, and [[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]] miraculously emerged unscathed from the incident despite his heavy involvement.<ref>[[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]]'s profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 23|''Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club'' #23]].</ref> The TransTechs thereafter considered this incident to be the closest that their Cybertron had ever come to a [[Great War (disambiguation)|Great War]] as most other universal streams had. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/05/06}}

===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
[[File:TFPLiegeMaximo.jpg|right|thumb|right|250px|"[[Hulk|Puny God]]".]]
Liege Maximo was one of the [[Thirteen]] created by [[Primus]] to fight against [[Unicron/Aligned|Unicron]], and was a master manipulator whose artifact was the [[Liegian Darts]]. Maximo was one of the strategists of the Thirteen, alongside [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]], [[Quintus Prime|Quintus]], and [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]].

After the defeat of Unicron, Maximo focused on the mining, storage and refining of [[energon]], but grew resentful of [[Prima]] and his allies' interference. Regardless, Maximo acted as an emissary for the different factions within the Thirteen, making use of his natural beguiling charm.

Maximo was ultimately the one who led to the group fracturing, by revealing to the rest that Prima had plotted which of the Primes were the most like Unicron. It was also around this time that it was revealed that Maximo had been experimenting with creating new robotic beasts when he requested a powerful armor suit to deal with them. Prima ordered Maximo to shut down his "[[Farm]]", and it was further revealed by Alpha Trion that Maximo had been pitting the beasts against each other.

Whether Maximo had the right to experiment with the beasts was a source of conflict between the Thirteen and was later resolved by a vote which decided that he did not have the right to do so. However, Maximo convinced [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] to try and retrieve the armor from [[Solus Prime|Solus]]—an action that inadvertently led to Solus's demise and the creation of the [[Well of All Sparks]].

Maximo was revealed have placed a monitoring device on a "pet" that he had given to Solus. When the creature tried to attack Megatronus, he reacted by blasting it—leading to Solus attacking him.

Upon being confronted at the "Farm", Maximo tried to accuse Megatronus of being the true mastermind behind the war beasts by claiming it was all part of Megatronus's need to test himself against them. When Megatronus realized that Maximo had been manipulating and using the Thirteen the whole time, and was trying to blame him, a conflict broke out that led to the Primes being set upon by three massive war beasts.

Once the conflict was over, Maximo was found torn to pieces with his head destroyed by the [[Requiem Blaster (Prime)|Requiem Blaster]], though no one was sure who had actually fired the fatal shot. Maximo was buried in a tomb from where his arm would eventually be taken by [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] to allow him to use the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}

====Aligned novels====
[[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and the Liege Maximo disliked [[Nexus Prime]] due to his favor in the eyes of [[Solus Prime]]. After the betrayal of the Fallen and defeat of Unicron the Liege Maximo plotted against his brothers and made his own play for power. He was defeated and fled to a far galaxy. His premeditated betrayal broke the spirit of [[Vector Prime]]. In the end, he was pursued to that far galaxy by [[Alchemist Prime]]. Though he had no firm information, [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] believed Alchemist had succeeded in imprisoning the Liege. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

Like the other members of the [[Thirteen]], Liege Maximo was considered a myth. [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] proclaimed Transformers were free to do as they pleased, without pondering what the long-gone Liege Maximo or his [[The Fallen|treacherous brother]] would think. The [[Hub (G2)|Hub]] once became a part of the [[space bridge]] network during the Golden Age. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
[[File:OneShallRise1-WellofAllSparks.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Everyone is amazed at the shiny bottomless pit.]]
According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron/Aligned|Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

Liege Maximo eventually died and was placed in a [[Liege Maximo's tomb|tomb]]. The tomb was later visited by [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] and [[Dreadwing (Prime)|Dreadwing]], who took Maximo's arm so that Megatron could use the [[Forge of Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|Alpha/Omega}}

====''Robots in Disguise'' books====
{{quote|Liege Maximo is not necessarily evil, but his petty jealousy and boredom motivate him to be a tricky troublemaker.|''[[The Trials of Optimus Prime]]''}}

After the [[AllSpark]] had been returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Liege Maximo persisted within the [[Realm of the Primes]] with several of the other [[Thirteen]]. Possessing a cape, horns, sharp darts holstered at his waist, and a cackling voice, he saw the training of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] to ready him for battle against [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] as an opportunity to cause mischief. He began by increasing the deadliness of the holographic Decepticons that [[Micronus Prime|Micronus]] had created, giving them dangerous buzzsaws. Next, he projected an image of Optimus Prime on [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]'s computer on Earth, laughingly teasing that the Autobots would soon be attacked by him. Later, Liege Maximo's image of Optimus Prime appeared again while the Autobots were battling the escaped Decepticon [[Skinkbomb]], and the fake Optimus called Bumblebee a fool and the Autobots stupid, and that he was going to join the Decepticons. This severely traumatized Bumblebee, which caused Liege Maximo to laugh a lot to himself because he's kind of a tool. {{storylink|The Trials of Optimus Prime}}

===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[File:Rubicon-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Liege Maximo's escaped! Recruit a team of teenagers with attitude!]]

In the primitive age following the departure of the [[Knights of Cybertron]], Liege Maximo was the monarch of the [[Forgotten Plains]] and had slain both [[Imperator Maximo]] and [[Praetus Maximo]] before [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] conquered his territory. Liege fled and came into contact with [[Onyx Prime]] who introduced him to four other Primes (who were deeply unimpressed with him). The Primes watched as Onyx's beasts fought Megatronus's Darklanders before the two warriors made peace. In the aftermath, Liege gave a small laugh before all eight of the Primes joined forces to govern their world. {{storylink|Origin Myths}}

In the age that followed, Liege Maximo became one of the Thirteen Primes who ruled [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], each leading a [[Thirteen Tribes|tribe]] of like-minded followers. {{storylink|The Crucible}} Among his followers was the mighty [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]] [[Vigilem]], as loyal to his master as he was powerful. {{storylink|Rubicon}} According to [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]], Liege Maximo was a diplomat among the Thirteen who consolidated alliances within the group and attracted followers who believed the same philosophy. Eventually however, Maximo began to realize that helpful lies were better than harmful truths, an ideal which spread to his followers, and began working for his own personal power. He sought out his fellow Prime, [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] and the two formed an alliance. {{storylink|Heavy}} Maximo held the opinion that 'bots who would often change their bodies were not too be trusted as he felt they trying to escape their own rotten core. {{storylink|Your First Mistake}}

The alliance between the two sparked the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] between the Thirteen Primes and their respective tribes. [[Nexus Prime]] later expressed to [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] that he blamed Maximo and Megatronus for the war specifically the latter's betrayal of [[Solus Prime]]. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

Liege Maximo subsequently joined forces with [[Onyx Prime]], lord of beasts, but according to [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], they were both betrayed by [[Micronus Prime]]. {{storylink|White Heat}} Liege Maximo's followers eventually turned on him after Megatronus murdered Solus Prime. Maximo was tried by his fellow Primes while his former followers became his jailers and swore off lying forever. {{storylink|Heavy}} Vigilem's fellow Titans meanwhile tried their brother and the two were sentenced to exile: Liege Maximo was entombed aboard his own Titan, and cast into deep space, overseen by repentant members of his own tribe determined never to let their charge escape. {{storylink|Rubicon}}

The colonists of [[Caminus]] remembered Liege Maximo as the "Great Betrayer." {{storylink|Rubicon}}

Eons later, [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] erroneously believed that Liege Maximo had fled Cybertron of his own volition and taken up residence on a different planet. He sent one of his [[Regenesis]] ores to where he thought Maximo had gone. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

When a crisis on Cybertron prompted a desperate [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] to awaken Vigilem, {{storylink|Desperate Measures}} the Titan set about reawakening his master from his cell. Though the Titan was ultimately killed by [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]], he managed to release Maximo before perishing, unleashing a burst of energy that knocked out everyone who had gathered to try and stop the ancient Prime. Maximo mocked [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] before thanking Vilgilem for his service, promising to avenge his Titan before teleporting away. {{storylink|Rubicon}}

Elita One later told [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]] why she'd kept Maximo's existence silent and recounted his origin story before warning that Maximo would return to destroy Cybertron as revenge for his banishment and that they needed to be strong and united lest the Prime tear them all apart. By a vote of three to two, the [[Council of Worlds]] opted to keep Maximo's freedom a secret for the time being. Starscream later released [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] in secret on the condition that she hunt down Liege Maximo and bring his head back to Starscream. {{storylink|Heavy}}

Maximo's freedom was eventually revealed to the rest of the Council. When [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] put forth that the Council should kill all humans within [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]] supported her, viewing Liege Maximo as a greater threat that the Cybertronians should focus on. {{storylink|First Strike issue 4|First Strike #4}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
[[Ser-Ket (BW)|Ser-Ket]] claimed to be part of a warrior lineage that stretched back to the Liege Maximo and others. {{storylink|Head Games}}

===Fun Publications===
[[File:AphroditeLiegeMaximoAVP.jpg|upright=0.8|thumb|left]]
Though Vector Prime would claim that history was likely correct to record Liege Maximo as a "monster", he still had many happy memories of times shared with his brother from before the falling out between the Thirteen, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/14}} and thought of his actions more as "tragic" than evil. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/12}} He recalled his brother's skill at social gatherings, and his ability to spin incredible stories, {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/05/15}} including tales of the [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/10}} During the Thirteen's time in ancient Greece, Liege's female holomatter avatar—which, thanks to Liege's flair for the dramatic, first manifested by appaering out of the sea in a giant shell—inspired the myth of Aphrodite. By this time, he had formed an enmity with Solus, who manifested in Greece as the male Hephaestus, and Prima had then "bonded" together in hopes they could work through their differences. Naturally, this only resulted in further conflict; "Interesting times," Vector called them. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/08}} He also noted that legends claimed that the god [[Xal]] might merely be another name for Liege Maximo, but could say nothing with certainty. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/12}}

When the quantum membrane between the wider multiverse and the [[Uniend]] Cluster was punctured, Vector Prime began to experience memories of the Uniend incarnation of Liege Maximo, and expressed surprise at the existence of an iteration of his brother who had died before founding an empire of his own. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/14}}

As Nexus Prime brought together the [[Terminus Blade]] and the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]], his fellow Thirteen including Liege Maximo were drawn to his actions. These multiversal singularities were splintered and scattered by the act, making them into repeating parallel, but variable, versions of themselves throughout the multiverse instead of the singular beings they were before. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}}

==Toys==
===Prime===
[[File:Primetoy-FinalBattleMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Because it would be <s>non-aerodynamic</s> silly to mount the saber onto the back of the vehicle mode like a giant tail-fin.]]
*'''Final Battle Megatron''' (Voyager, [[2013]]-[[February 25|02-25]])
**''ID number'': '''AM-33'''
**''Accessories'': Shadow [[Gabu#Shadow|Gabu]], Shadow [[Baru#Shadow|Baru]], & Shadow [[Dai#Shadow|Dai]] Arms Microns

:[[Megatron (WFC)/toys#Darkest|Final Battle Megatron]]'s right forearm is decoed (but sadly not remolded) to resemble Liege Maximo's forearm that he substitutes for his own in those episodes.

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===Generations===
[[File:PowerOfThePrimestoy-LiegeMaximo.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
*'''Liege Maximo''' (Prime Master, [[2017]])

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Liege Maximo is a [[Titan Master]]-sized mold that transforms from a small robot modeled after [[Skullgrin#Generation 1|Skullgrin]]'s inner robot mode into a [[Prime Master]] that can store inside [[Prime Master|Decoy Armor]] modeled after Skullgrin's [[Pretender]] shell, or plug into any Prime Master shell's weapon form, or replace a ''Power of the Primes'' Leader's Matrix core. Liege Maximo can also ride Legends Class figures and attach to Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, or Voyager Class figures' combined mode.
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==Notes==
* "Liege Maximo" was likely meant to be this character's title or rank, while his proper name remained unknown, but subsequent uses of the character have treated Liege Maximo as the character's name (or, in some cases, "Liege" as his name and "Maximo" as a title in the vein of "Prime"). Jhiaxus (and one iteration of [[Firecrest]]) has a similar title, [[Liege Centuro]].
* Liege Maximo's name was frequently misspelled as "Leige Maximo" in the ''Generation 2'' comics. Sometimes, both versions were even used on the same page, and once, even in the same sentence.
*Liege Maximo, was, at one point, established as a [[multiversal singularity]] who existed as one being throughout all of time and space, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
* [[Simon Furman]] cryptically hinted in [http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/script-wrap-15/#comments comments on his blog] that the Liege Maximo would make a return in 2008 in IDW's comics, though it didn't happen under his pen. The Liege Maximo's presence in the continuity was eventually alluded to in 2014 in [[The Crucible|''Robots in Disguise'' #34]]; in 2017, the character made his first on-panel appearance in [[Rubicon|''Till All Are One'' #8]], while [[Heavy|the next issue]] fleshed out his backstory and motivations.
* The Liege Maximo's "Aligned" design was shown by [[Hasbro]] at [[BotCon 2010]], and like all the original Primes, his look was guided by [[Eric Siebenaler]]. The design seems to have been heavily inspired by the [[Marvel Comics]] version of {{w|Loki (comics)|Loki}}; fitting enough for a manipulator and liar.
* The dead Prime seen in the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' episode "[[Alpha/Omega]]" was identified as the Liege Maximo in ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus]]''. The concurrently published ''[[Transformers: The Art of Prime|Art of Prime]]'' claimed that it was [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]], but that doesn't make sense, since Sentinel was not a true Prime and as such his limb would not have conveyed the power to use the Forge on Megatron. Also note that the dead Prime's arm in ''Prime'' was crimson-colored, but neither Sentinel nor Maximo had any crimson coloration on their chassis. However, the crimson may be some kind of burial paint or rusting.
* The death of the Liege Maximo in the ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|Covenant of Primus]]'' is also at odds with other stories from Aligned continuity. The [[Transformers: Exiles|''Exiles'' novel]] reported that Alchemist Prime left Cybertron to hunt down and capture the Liege Maximo, while the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]] and [[The Trials of Optimus Prime|related materials]] showed Liege Maximo as active in the [[Realm of the Primes]]. This is one of the larger examples of Aligned continuity's "''It only works if you *squint*''" rule towards the overall timeline.

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Nucleon (TR)

2017-04-17T23:33:36Z

KrytenKoro: /* Beast Wars: Uprising */

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:''Nucleon is a [[Decepticon]] [[Titan Master]] or [[Powermaster]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:Titans_return_nucleon.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66|Mini [[Megatron (G1)|Megs]]]]
'''Nucleon''' is with [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], and has the ability to enhance the larger [[Decepticon leader]]'s powers by forming his head. While the power he grants Galvatron is formidable, it's also fairly unstable and runs the chance of making the Decepticon more than a little haywire.<ref>''Titans Return'' Nucleon & Galvatron toy bio</ref>

He bears a remarkable [[homage|similarity]] to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]].

==Fiction==
===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
Nucleon was presumably present as his larger partner's head when Galvatron declared that the Decepticons would possess the power of the Titan Masters for themselves. {{storylink|Titans Return: The Power of the Titan Masters}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
Nucleon was once a simple [[Cyberdroid]], an inhabitant of the Cybertronian colony world of [[Master (planet)|Rebirth]]. As his planet chafed under the crumbling oligarchy of the [[Optimus (faction)|Optimus]], his [[Conjunx Endura|Conjunx]] [[Kari]] was arrested for speaking out against the corrupt rulers. A grief-stricken Nucleon joined up with the [[Malignus (G1)|Malignus]] faction. When Galvatron arrived on the planet, Nucleon was inspired by the Decepticon rhetoric and joined up, spearheading the development of the [[Powermaster]] process. He, [[Clench (BW)|Clench]], and [[Doomshot]] all [[Binary bonding|binary-bonded]] themselves to Galvatron, and the foursome crushed the Optimus leadership underfoot. Nucleon became an accomplice in Galvatron's future adventures, including the disastrous [[Great Push]] which saw the Decepticon advance utterly routed at the hands of the [[Human Confederacy]]. Nucleon was present to watch the trial of Galvatron that ended in the latter's execution by vivisection. Nucleon and his fellow Cyberdroids served out indefinite prison sentences on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy}} Eventually, a regime change led to Scourge and the others being released from custody. {{storylink|Micro-Aggressions}} {{storylink|Not All Megatrons}}

Centuries later, a bitter and impoverished Nucleon, now little more than a drifter, was hanging out in [[Fort Scyk]] as he watched the [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s and mused about the dire state of the universe. His philosophizing was interrupted when a mysterious stranger — [[Galvatron (BWII)|a doppelgänger of the original Galvatron]] — told Nucleon that he was "getting the band back together". {{storylink|Not All Megatrons}} The new Galvatron reunited Nucleon with Clench and Doomshot, and together the trio of Cyberdroids were able to procure a [[Darksyder]] [[Beast Pod]] for their master, which he used to grant himself a [[beast mode]]. Unfortunately, the upgrade also meant that he no longer required his old Cyberdroid partners, and when the [[Vehicon Apocalypse]] swept Cybertron the three nervous Cyberdroids proved themselves almost entirely useless in the face of the relentless [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] hordes. Disgusted, Galvatron ordered them to procure some Vehicon specimens, so that he could figure out how these new Transformers worked. {{storylink|Derailment}}

Nucleon's engineering prowess came in handy as the quartet studied the physiologies of the Vehicons in the [[Rad Zone]], and before long Galvatron had three new reverse-engineered Vehicon generals under his command. Unfortunately, that also meant that the Cyberdroids had outlived their usefulness and Galvatron disposed of his old partners. {{storylink|The Inexorable March}}

==Toys==
===Generations===
*'''Nucleon & Galvatron''' (Voyager, [[2016]])
:Nucleon was released, along with his larger partner [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#TitansReturn|Galvatron]], as part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]] [[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Voyager-class figures. He can transform into Galvatron's head for robot mode, which is also compatible with any other ''Titans Return'' Deluxe, Voyager, or Leader class figure. Then again, Galvatron can have any body he wants.

:When he was unveiled Nucleon's body was painted entirely silver and his head mode was painted purple, though the final product leaves him almost entirely without paint applications.

:it is important to note that some samples of the figure have issues with how the Titan Master connects. Your mileage may vary, but some must be attached with Nucleon's head twisted backwards (with Nucleon and Galvatron both looking in the same direction), or else one risks Nucleon's head breaking off inside Galvatron's collar assembly.

:Nucleon's mold was also used in Japan as [[Megatron (G1)/toys#LG23|Megatron]], the small [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] stage of ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#Legends|Galvatron]], and as [[Megalligator#Legends|Megaligator]].

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Decepticons]]
[[Category:Engineers]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Powermasters]]
[[Category:Titan Masters]]
[[Category:Titans Return]]

Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced

2017-04-12T14:07:41Z

KrytenKoro: /* Synopsis */

{{Comicstory
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|title="Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced"
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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[February 22]], [[2017]]
|coverdate=February 2017
|written by=[[James Roberts]]
|art by=[[Jack Lawrence]]
|colors by=[[Joana Lafuente]]
|letters by=[[Tom B. Long]]
|editor=[[Carlos Guzman]]
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'''While Rodimus and company learn more about the history of the Functionist Universe, Whirl comes up against an old nemesis.'''

==Synopsis==
In the depths of the [[Censere|Necrobot]]'s fortress, [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]], [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], and [[Ten]] discover one last stasis pod, threateningly oversized and ominously locked. Swerve attempts to contact [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] for advice on how to proceed, but Whirl, being Whirl, decides to just open it. From within, a massive hand clutching a glowing wand emerges...

Elsewhere in the fortress, [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] is spending his time analyzing the planet's spark-flowers (which turns out to be a massive waste of time, since the Necrobot kept detailed records on them) while an increasingly worried [[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]] tries to make contact with [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]]. When Rodimus's voice finally crackles over the comm, Brainstorm and Nightbeat are both thrilled to hear the news that they have wound up in a [[Functionist Universe|parallel universe]]—''not'', Brainstorm deduces, as a result of the teleport den, but thanks to the [[geobomb]] which went off inside [[Necroworld]], transplanting the entire planet and ''all'' of them into the other universe. Rodimus's team have now relocated with the [[Anti-Vocationist League]] to their base in the sacred city of [[Kalis|Adaptica]], nicknamed "[[Cyberutopia]]", a lawful haven for those deemed obsolete by the [[Functionist Council]] - a haven overseen by an estranged, sympathetic Council member, [[Nine-of-Twelve]]!

Back in the stasis pod chamber, Swerve, Whirl, and Ten scatter as Whirl's old nemesis, the monstrous, wand-wielding [[Killmaster]], bursts out of his pod and immediately begins attacking them. Whirl admits to lying when he claimed to have slain Killmaster, but his dishonesty is the farthest concern from Swerve's mind when the hulking [[Decepticon]] blasts Ten with his wand, leaving only a pair of smoldering footprints where once the [[Legislator]] stood. Blind with rage at the seeming death of his friend, Swerve charges at Killmaster and is effortlessly backhanded. Whirl leaps in, urging Swerve to contact Cyclonus and have the super-strong [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] come to help... because, Whirl reluctantly admits, he's never actually ''beaten'' Killmaster in a fight...

While [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] and [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] become more acquainted with the foot soldiers of the AVL, Rodimus and the others attend a briefing with Nine-of-Twelve and his second-in-command, the parallel-universe version of [[Anode#The_Functionist_Universe|Anode]]. They learn that a mysterious UFO has recently appeared just outside [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s orbit, but that the planet no longer has any spaceships or teleporters that will allow them to investigate it, or which Rodimus's team can use to return to Necroworld. To help the tired and confused travelers, Nine-of-Twelve provides them with more information on the history of their universe, in which the [[Senate#The_Functionist_Universe|Senate]] and the Council came into conflict over the Senate's use of [[Nova Prime]]'s [[Silver Harvest|spark stockpile]] to increase the planet's population. The Council deemed the trapping of spark energy in [[photonic crystal|artificial containers]] to be heretical, and in response, the Senate sealed [[Vector Sigma]] behind a wall of [[ununtrium]], leading the Council to raise an army of followers and execute the Senate for blasphemy. Nine-of-Twelve ultimately defected when [[Six-of-Twelve]], who took the [[Matrix of Leadership]] from [[Nominus Prime#The_Functionist_Universe|Nominus Prime]] and came to believe that [[Primus]] spoke to him through it, began committing such blasphemy himself, transplanting existing 'bots sparks into new bodies in an effort to "fortify" Cybertron against a war "Primus" tells him is coming.

Back on Necroworld, after completing her checkup of Anode and deeming her physically fine, [[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] briefly excuses herself to administer a "[[mood suppressant]]" to Nightbeat—a means the various 'bots are using to block out their grief over [[Skids (G1)|Skids]]'s death. While she is out of the room, [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] insists that Anode tell her more and her's and Velocity's shared past. The pair, it turns out, knew one another on [[Caminus]], where Anode trained as a "[[blacksmith]]"—a Cybertronian obstetrician, who helps struggling [[protoform]]s find their shape. The snowflake-like treasure she recovered from [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]] is a piece of [[sentio metallico]], a rare example of a bloom left over from an unharvested [[spark]]. Velocity returns to the room in the middle of the story and reveals how Anode threw her career away when she fled Caminus with a batch of sentio metallico stolen from the [[Lighthouse]] medical facility, but Anode explains that she is innocent: she actually just modified records to make it ''look'' like she'd committed the theft. The deed was a pretext to force herself to leave the planet, as the existing reasons she had were not enough—reasons she has never told another soul. Realizing that her friend has kept this secret from her all this time, the emotional [[Lug (IDW)|Lug]] runs from the room, and Anode chases after her.

Whirl's battle with Killmaster goes poorly, and Cyclonus's arrival, sans Tailgate, does not portend an improvement in matters... since Cyclonus has somehow become horrifically injured since last seen, with half his face and his left arm torn off his body! Distracted by the horrible sight, Swerve is hit by a blast from Killmaster's wand and reduced to a smoking spot on the ground, just like Ten!

On Functionist Cybertron, the populace gathers in readiness for Six-of-Twelve's promised revelation: the purpose of [[Rung (G1)#The_Functionist_Universe|Rung]]'s alternate mode, which will validate everything about their theology. Even Rodimus's team is curious about the answer to this longstanding mystery... but they are all immediately skeptical when the transformed Rung is revealed to be an absolutely colossal mining tank, complete with a massive crystalline drill bit that seems distinctly out of place. Six-of-Twelve professes that Rung's purpose is to drill through the ununtrium wall that still surrounds Vector Sigma, his "alternate mode" a predestined choice by Primus for this precise moment in history. Alarming as the moment is, however, Anode is forced to tear Nine-of-Twelve away from the viewscreen with even more shocking news: it turns out the UFO is Luna 2, given to the [[Black Block Consortia|Black Box Consortia]] by the Council years ago, but now back in Cybertron's orbit once more!

==Featured characters==
Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashback. 
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*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (2)
*[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] (4)
*[[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]] (5)
*[[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome]] (7)
*[[Drift (G1)|Drift]] (8)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] (11)
*[[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] (12)
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*[[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] (13)
*[[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]] (14)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Minimus Ambus]] (15)
*[[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] (25)
*[[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] (26)
*[[Kaput]] (28)

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*[[Ten]] (3)
*[[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] (6)
*[[Clicker]] (9)
*[[Terminus (G1)|Terminus]] (10)
*[[Nine-of-Twelve]] (16)
*Two [[Lunabot]]s (18)
*Other [[Anti-Vocationist League]]rs (19)
*[[Anode]] (20)
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*''[[Nova Prime]]'' (21)
*''[[Nominus Prime#The_Functionist_Universe|Nominus Prime]]'' (22)
*''[[Twelve-of-Twelve]]'' (23)
*[[Six-of-Twelve]] (24)
*[[Lug (IDW)|Lug]] (27)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] (29)
*[[Rung (G1)#The_Functionist_Universe|Rung]] (30)
*Multiple [[Functionary|Functionaries]] (31)
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==Quotes==
"I just performed a forensic operation on a '''petal''', Brainstorm, you could at least '''try''' to sound impressed." 
"Old news. '''Kaput''' was in here earlier, stealing your thunder." 
"He was decoding the flowers?" 
"He was '''going''' to... 'til he found out that the Necrobot's archive '''already''' matches sparks to flowers." 
"So I just wasted two hours of my life?" 
"Massively." 
"Why didn't you say something earlier?" 
"Because, like me, you're much better company when you're '''occupied.'''"
:—'''Nightbeat''' and '''Brainstorm'''

"I haven't been this ramped since '''Perceptor''' asked me to be his '''lab partner'''."
:—'''Brainstorm'''

"'''Look''' at him. No banter, no set up, no discernible motive beyond wanting to kill as many people as possible. Such a pro..."
:—'''Whirl''' on Killmaster

"So it's a form of protest." 
"A very '''crude''' one." 
"The best kind."
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Ratchet''' on the AVL's eye-removal

"Avoidance is addictive."
:—'''Nautica''' worries about the mood suppressants

"I can't believe both of you '''literally''' refer to the other one as your nemesis. It's the best worst thing '''ever.'''"
:—'''Swerve''' analyzes Whirl and Killmaster

"Faith is not faith until it is tested."
:—'''Six-of-Twelve'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Nightbeat lists [[Turmoil]] as one of the sparks whose echoes make up the flower he is studying. As Turmoil was killed by [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]] in [[Heavy Is the Head|''Robots in Disguise'' #16]], the rules of how the flowers work would mean that all the 'bots named here are Starscream's kills. That, in turn, would mean that the "Piston" also included in the list is the [[Piston (mechanic)|mechanic]] seen back in ''[[Spotlight: Blurr]]'', who died at the hands of a Decepticon unit led by Starscream.
*Kaput's time on [[Kimia Facility|Kimia]] is mentioned by Brainstorm, as previously featured in "[[Zero Point]]." He is a "spark specialist," which fits with the work he did on [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] in that story, diagnosing his [[zero point|titular condition]].
*The revelation that the geobomb was of a different kind, intended to displace Necroworld rather than destroy it (a "different flavour," Brainstorm calls it), explains why the bomb appeared blue in [[The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|''More than Meets the Eye'' #55]] when it had previously been stated that the world-destroying variety was red in [[Animals|issue #46]].
*Whirl talked about his rivalry with Killmaster, and professed to have killed him, back in [[Cybertronian Homesick Blues|''More than Meets the Eye'' #13]].
*As we [[Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|surmised]], the lack of optics on the AVLers seen in the previous two issues is indeed a reaction to the implantation of cameras in the eyes of the populace, as detailed in [[The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|''More than Meets the Eye'' #35]]. Other aspects of society introduced in that story which reoccur here include the idea that 'bots had been "deported" (to Adaptica, we now realize), the sale of Luna 2 to the Black Box Consortia and the isolation of Cybertron, and the explosive [[obsolescence chip]]s used to kill those deemed no longer useful (against the effects of which the inhabitants of Adaptica are protected by a jamming signal).
*Nova Prime's creation of new sparks from the Matrix was originally detailed in [[Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|''More than Meets the Eye'' #19]]. The fact that the sparks were stored in [[photonic crystal]]s was covered in [[The Lopsided Triangle|issue #47]].
*Swerve hinted at the existence of the mood suppressants (or "grief shots" as Nautica calls them) last issue, with Anode having drawn attention to his apparent lack of sadness in issue #1.
*The mechanics of the birth of a Cybertronian have been covered in various ''More than Meets the Eye'' stories. We saw the ignition and subsequent fading out of a [[hot spot]], unharvested, in [[Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|issue #17]], while the workings of [[sentio metallico]] were explained in [[Silent Light|''The Transformers Holiday Special'']].
*Minimus is suspicious of Six-of-Twelve's "revelation", and he's got every right to be. The readers have already seen Rung's alt-mode, all the way back in "[[Little Victories]]", and it sure didn't look like no frakking huge drill-tank back then. It therefore probably isn't a coincidence that Swerve and Nightbeat, both of whom have ''definitely'' seen Rung's alt-mode with their own eyes—Swerve in the aforementioned story, and Nightbeat had been shown studying it briefly in [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|issue #29]]—are not present, since they would be able to cry foul on whatever the Council's game is.

===Real life references===
*"First the council targeted the intellectuals, then they came for the experts," remarks Nine-of-Twelve, paraphrasing the {{w|First they came ...|famous statement}} by {{w|Martin Niemöller}} regarding the rise of the Nazi party in Germany ("First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a Socialist..."). Nine's speech, and later comments made by Clicker that also focus on the political tactic of speaking to "fears over facts," are intended to allude not merely to that period in history, but to the surge in {{w|right-wing populism}} that took place in the western political landscape in 2016. The use of the word "experts," in particular, evokes the language used by British politician {{w|Michael Gove}} during the United Kingdom's {{w|United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016|2016 referendum on the country's membership in the European Union}} when he dismissed predictions of negative economic fallout in the event that the "Leave" vote won by infamously saying "the people in this country have had enough of experts."

===Errors===
*In his single-panel appearance, Nova Prime has his inverted "Nemesis Prime" color scheme, which he wouldn't take on until going to the [[Dead Universe]].
*Nautica is misspelled as "Nautical" on the recap page.

===Other trivia===
*In addition to Turmoil and Piston, the 'bots who make up the flower Nightbeat studies are named Lodestar, Flexor, Adjudicus, Maruader, Darkstar, Questex, Jab, Swivel, Hydronaut, and Poleaxe. "Adjudicus" was a name originally conceived by Roberts and [[Nick Roche]] for the character who would become [[Tyrest (G1)|Tyrest]].
*Nine-of-Twelve looks very different to how he previously appeared in issue #35; he's gone from green to red, and has a different head shape. The only specific design element he seems to share with his earlier appearance is a pair of circular protrusions on each of his forearms. We'd call it an error, but we've been burned once too often by jumping to that conclusion. Tricksy Robertses.

===Soundtrack===
For all of "Dissolution":
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEI75kn9FTc Neither Here Nor There]" by {{w|Lost in the Trees}}

For this issue alone:
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQTxfKoRCks Those Kind of Songs]" by {{w|Anthony Reynolds}}
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me9MAS6ShMQ A Stone]" by {{w|Okkervil River}}
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyznTJfpegw The Summer of Speed]" by Andreas Mattsson

===Covers (4)===
*'''Regular cover:''' [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] skids along the ground, by [[Jack Lawrence]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
*'''Subscription cover A:''' Nautica reaches for a coffin, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
*'''Subscription cover B:''' Nautica, Cyclonus, Brainstorm, Swerve, and Tailgate, by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
*'''Retailer incentive cover:''' Megatron and Rodimus by [[Nelson Daniel]]; one of a series of robot mode/alt mode covers by Daniel for February's ''Transformers'' titles.

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Talk:White Light

2016-09-23T19:58:12Z

KrytenKoro: Created page with "space space => space, right?~~~~"

space space => space, right?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 15:58, 23 September 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Ten to Midnight

2016-09-23T19:51:37Z

KrytenKoro: Created page with "i'm confidant => I'm confident, right?~~~~"

i'm confidant => I'm confident, right?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 15:51, 23 September 2016 (EDT)

The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle

2016-08-11T02:08:48Z

KrytenKoro: /* Synopsis */

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|caption="I came here to build a bridge."
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|date=[[July 27]], [[2016]]
|coverdate=July 2016
|written by=[[James Roberts]]
|pencils by=[[Alex Milne]]
|colors by=[[Joana Lafuente]]
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'''Megatron versus the DJD, for all the marbles.'''

==Synopsis==
Aboard the [[Galactic Council]] vessel ''[[Retaliator]]'', in orbit above [[Necroworld]], ship's commander [[Neech|General Neech]] assesses the situation on the planet below. Following [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]'s recent actions in defense of organic life on [[Miliarium]], the Council was forced to take action to save face. Conspiring with [[Getaway]], they were provided with Megatron's location so they could dispatch their assassin, [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] to slay him, only to find upon arrival that the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] had beaten them to the punch. Now, the infuriated Neech is prepared to renege on his promise to Getaway that the other Autobots will not be harmed, as he readies a [[geobomb]] for use...

Seconds before [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]] and Overlord open fire, Megatron activates [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]]'s forcefield generator, which [[Ravage (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ravage]] explains to the watching Autobots that he removed from Trailcutter's corpse months ago. The furious Tarn calls the rest of the DJD to his side, while instructing [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] to storm the fortress and wipe out the Autobots. Deathsaurus is then quite literally struck with an attack of conscience when [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] and [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] blast him with the same psychic weapon that originally drew them to the planet. As Deathsaurus is consumed by self-loathing and guilt for all the Decepticon lives lost on the mission, [[Nickel]] proposes they withdraw to prevent further deaths. Realizing now that Tarn's obsession with Megatron has always superseded his belief in the Decepticon cause, she calls for a full retreat, and the Decepticons all pull out—even Overlord, who believes the cowering and broken Megatron is no longer worthy of his attention. Left on their own, the remaining four DJD members pound on the field until it gives way and they are able to pass through it... and which point Megatron stands, his apparent defeat nothing but an act, and menacingly announces that trapping them inside the field with him has always been his plan.

Inside the fortress, Ravage tells a skeptical [[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]] that Megatron has always been a master planner who covers all contingencies. Brainstorm scoffs and tries to prove that ''he's'' smarter by bringing up his [[time case]]—which Ravage reveals ''he'' stole the last piece of on Megatron's order. Unfortunately, the case cannot help solve the current crisis, as Megatron disposed of it months beforehand, having abandoned the idea of escaping his fate via time travel. A confused [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] then interrupts the explanation with a strange discovery of his own: he has found his own severed arm in a nearby cupboard. Ravage excitedly realizes the significance of this bizarre find and explains another of Megatron's contingency plans. Using one of the interdimensional portals inside his body, he has successfully completed an old, failed plan from during the war and established a link to a [[black hole]], in order to draw on [[antimatter]] for power. It was through this portal that Whirl's arm vanished when it was severed during his fight with Megatron a year ago, and over the last twelve months, Megatron has slowly reached out with his thoughts to draw the arm back, thereby completing the two-way link to the black hole. The presence of Whirl's recovered arm, Ravage realizes, means that Megatron has succeeded and can now draw upon antimatter... and that the forcefield is a means to protect the ''rest of the planet'' when it is unleashed.

Within the field, antimatter spills from Megatron's glaring eyes as he visits his rage upon the DJD. One by one, he slaughters them all, tearing their bodies apart with antimatter, stripping them of their aliases as he does so: first [[Vos (DJD)|Vos]]—aka "Forestock"—then [[Helex (DJD)|Helex]]—aka "Crucible"—then [[Tesarus (DJD)|Tesarus]]—aka "Scissorsaw"—before finally turning on Tarn. At first begging for mercy only to realize he will be afforded none, Tarn snaps at Megatron to finish him, and Megatron is only too happy to oblige, snatching Tarn's Decepticon-sigil mask from his face and slapping it onto his own chest over his Autobot badge, so that they might both "die as Decepticons."

In the midst of the slaughter, the Autobots' eyes are torn away from the monitors by the sudden, surprising arrival of even more new players: a group of confused Cybertronians wander into the fortress's control room, chief among them [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]], who is holding the time case!

Megatron lifts the maskless Tarn, and names him at last: [[Damus|Glitch]]. With the final stinging barb that everything he did was for nothing, Megatron ends Tarn's life in an antimatter crescendo that now threatens to destroy the ex-Decepticon himself. At the last second, however, using the time case, Rodimus teleports inside the forcefield and offers his hand to Megatron—and after a moment's hesitation, Megatron accepts and he and Rodimus are transported back to the fortress just as the antimatter within the forcefield explodes. Megatron rushes to Ravage's side; seeing that his leader is safe, Ravage stops holding on, and with a final entreaty to Megatron that he not "change back," he quietly dies, his passing felt even across the galaxy by a heartbroken [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]]. In silent fury, Megatron flips the med-bay table; when [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] offers to patch up his injuries, he whirls on the Autobots, even pointing his broken cannon at them. After a moment of silence, realizing what he has done, Megatron decides to leave... only for another figure to appear in the doorway: his old friend [[Terminus (G1)|Terminus]]. Confused but elated, Megatron drops his cannon and embraces his friend, mourning how he has "lost his way," as Tarn's mask slips from his chest and is crushed underfoot.

The next day, Rodimus, [[Drift (G1)|Drift]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Minimus Ambus]] gather in front of the Necrobot's memorial to the "Disappeared" so that [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] can share with them the information he has gathered from the Necrobot's journal. Following [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]]'s forceful suggestion that he become more hands-on, the Necrobot saw an opportunity when he found the time case buried near Megatron's statue, hidden there by Megatron when he abandoned it during his previous visit to the planet. Using the case, the Necrobot traveled through time, saving the lives of those who history recorded as "Disappeared," like Roller and Terminus, bringing them to the present and placing them in induced comas so they could recover from the rigors of the less-stable form of time travel a single case allowed. These were the stasis tubes of "organics" the Autobots found, their true natures disguised by the same holographic camouflage used in the Necrobot's flowers. Rewind lays a flower by [[Dominus Ambus]]'s name, while Rodimus and Drift wonder what has become of Nightbeat and [[Rung (G1)|Rung]]...

Down in the depths of Necroworld, Nightbeat and Rung come to the end of their journey as they emerge through the final hatch in the planet's "crust" that leads to the hollow void within. Examining the landscape, Rung spots a familiar-looking pattern: an inverted version of the [[Vinvissius Canals]] on Cybertron. With awe, Rung realizes that the hollow Necroworld is the ''mold'' that that the metal world of Cybertron was made in. The pair have no time to take in this revelation, however, as a sudden flash of light heralds the arrival of the Council's geobomb. Nightbeat recognizes the device moments before it detonates... and the world vanishes in an explosion of white.

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*[[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] (5)
*[[Drift (G1)|Drift]] (8)
*[[Hot Rod/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] (9)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] (10)
*[[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]] (11)
*[[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] (14)
*[[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] (15)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (19)
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*[[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] (20)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]]'s corpse (21)
*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (22)
*[[Wavelength (G1)|Wavelength]] (24)
*[[Syphon]] (25)
*[[Chromedome (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Chromedome]] (32)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Minimus Ambus]] (34)
*[[Rung (G1)|Rung]] (36)
*[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] (37)
{{!}}}
|c2=
*[[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] (2)
*[[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]] (3)
*[[Ravage (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ravage]] (6)
*[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] (12)
*[[Nickel]] (13)
*[[Helex (DJD)|Helex]] (16)
*[[Vos (DJD)|Vos]] (17)
*[[Tesarus (DJD)|Tesarus]] (18)
*"Disappeared" Decepticon (27)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]] (28)

|c4=
*[[Neech|General Neech]] (1)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] (7)
*Purple "Disappeared" bot (23)
*[[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] (26)
*[[Terminus (G1)|Terminus]] (29)
*[[Ten]] (30)
*Indistinct "Disappeared" bot (31)
*Indistinct "Disappeared" bot (33)
*[[Censere]] (flashback, 35)
}}

==Quotes==
"[Megatron's] not dangerous because he's '''stronger''' than everyone else. He's dangerous because he's '''smarter''' than everyone else." 
"Present company excepted." 
"'''You? Ha!''' You're not even the smartest person in this '''conversation.'''"
:—Even dying, '''Ravage''' delivers a sick burn to '''Brainstorm'''

"You'd have thought—given the '''compassion''' shown to me on the ''Lost Light''—that I'd have learnt to be a little more '''forgiving'''. But I'm afraid '''Getaway''' had the right idea: '''no mercy.'''" 
"Do it, then. '''Do it!''' At least I'll die a Decepticon!" 
''(Megatron snatches Tarn's mask and places it on his chest)'' 
"You and I both."
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Tarn'''

"Goodbye, '''Glitch.''' I want you to die with one thought in your head: everything you did was for nothing."
:—'''Megatron'''

"Don't...change...back"
:-'''Ravage''' leaves '''Megatron''' with an ambiguous goodbye

"What's happened?" 
"Nothing. Everything. I lost my way."
:—'''Terminus''' and '''Megatron''' reunite

"Nightbeat! I rarely let my '''temper''' get the better of me, but I am '''this close''' to raising my voice."
:—'''Rung'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*[[The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|Issue #50]] made it appear that Getaway had always intended to deliver Megatron and the crew to the D.J.D., but we learn this issue that his co-conspirators were, in fact, the Galactic Council, the interplanetary governing body that the crew first encountered back in [[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|the 2012 annual]]. Getaway has had dealings with the council for years, having met them during his time working with [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] as part of the "Diplomatic Corps," as shown in [[Remain in Light 4 of 5: Arm the Lonely|issue #20]]. This doesn't make Getaway much less of a tool, but it certainly goes some way to validating his previously-expressed belief that the other Autobots wouldn't be harmed, which seemed questionable at best when it was the D.J.D. we thought he was dealing with.
*Additionally, it would suggest that the initial signal from the Necrobot that brought Rodimus and Megatron's group to the planet—which the Necrobot only sent because he was under attack by the D.J.D.—was not planned for by Getaway: he and the crew must have simply exploited the opening it granted them to carry out their plan, informing the council of Megatron's location. Thus, his remark in issue #50 for Rodimus to "say hello to the Necrobot for him" was not the cruel joke it seemed, as he honestly wouldn't have had any reason to think he was dead.
*It was also in issue #50 that the Autobots saved [[Miliarium]].
*The council's planet-destroying geobomb was originally mentioned back in [[Animals|issue #46]], in which it was noted it was based on a design created by [[Killmaster]]. See "Errors," though.
*Trailcutter used his panic bubble in [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|issue #29]]. He sealed his own fate with it in [[Births, Deaths, and Interventions|issue #34]] when he inadvertently trapped himself inside it with [[Kaon (DJD)|Kaon]]; fitting, then, that Megatron should take revenge on the whole DJD by trapping them in the same way.
*Megatron was seen holding Trailcutter's severed hand, containing his forcefield generator, as he examined his body in [[The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|issue #35]]. He was ''not'' shown to put it back down!
*Ravage stole the last remaining time case for Megatron in [[Our Steps Will Always Rhyme|issue #40]]. He is revealed to have abandoned it following the events of [[The Not Knowing|issue #44]], burying it by his statue on Necroworld when the reality of the weight of his past caught up to him upon seeing the huge field of spark-flowers that represented those he had killed.
*Megatron's purported antimatter powers (see "Transformers references," below) were originally mentioned in "[[Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory]]," and Ratchet made passing reference to them again in issue #29, when he started to ask Megatron about them. In this issue, we learn that they ''were'' actually just rumors; Megatron never succeeded in linking to a black hole before now. Ratchet shows knowledge of this fact, suggesting Megatron gave him an honest off-panel answer to his question in #29.
*Megatron's "interdimensional injuries" were sustained during the "[[Dark Cybertron (IDW)|Dark Cybertron]]" crossover event. Whirl's arm was swallowed up by one of the portals these injuries left inside his body in [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|issue #28]].
*In [[slaughterhouse|issue #32]], when revealing that he had been watching Megatron for months, Ravage observed that all the ex-Decepticon seemed to do was "sit in his room with his eyes closed, and think, and think, and think." Following [[Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|issue #39]], Megatron retreated to his quarters, with characters observing over the next two issues that he had "barely left them"; he claimed he was "working" and "thinking." Now we know the truth: the "thinking" Ravage observed was Megatron focusing his thoughts seeking out and linking one of his portals to a black hole, while the thinking he did after #39 was him doing the same to locate Whirl's arm and draw it back.
*All the gratuitous hinting from [[Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays|issue #36]] turns out to be the red herring we ''warned'' you it might be: he disappeared at the end of that issue, but Roller is ''not'' Tarn! This deception was alluded to in the solicitation for this issue, which reminded readers of the "four terrible words, millions of years old, that gave the Decepticons their name." Those words, as any reader of ''More than Meets the Eye'' will likely remember, are: "You are being deceived." We certainly were!
*In truth, the leader of the DJD is at last revealed to be [[Damus|Glitch]], the ''other'' member of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]]'s rebel unit whose fate in the present day was unknown. Glitch originally appeared in [[Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|issue #11]], in which he was described as having the power to deactivate non-sentient machinery with a touch. It was noted by [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Senator Shockwave]] that his power had the potential to grow, and when he reappeared in issue #36, his skills had evolved to the point that he could use them at a distance. Coupled with Tarn's remark in [[The Permanent Revolution|issue #39]] that his "weaponized conversation" ability was "slow to manifest," it's obvious that Glitch's powers eventually evolved to the point where he could deactivate ''sentient'' machines as well.
*There's no dramatic "unmasked" panel, because Glitch has never had a face for us to recognize. In his previous appearances, he's been shown to be a victim of [[empurata]], but he had his hands restored between issues #11 and #36, setting up the idea that his face could later be restored as well, as it obviously was at some point before he donned his Decepticon mask. Certainly, the implication of the story is that everyone already knew he was Glitch; back in [[Speak, Memory: Part 1|issue #48]], Skids recognized Tarn's voice when he first met him, having previously known Glitch during their academy days together.
*Also in issue #36, Glitch is prominently positioned between Orion Pax and Roller in the panel of the former encouraging the latter to read Megatron's work. Looks like ''someone'' took the idea to heart...
*Terminus previously appeared in issue #34, his fate left a mystery and his erasure from history occasionally commented upon by others during "season 2."
*The Autobots realize that the time case was the "portable apothecary" that legends of the Necrobot professed he carried, which we heard about in passing back in [[Twenty Plus One|issue #30]].

===Transformers references===
[[File:MegatronAntimatterUK.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.5]]
*Megatron's antimatter powers are derived from information in his original [[bio]], which explained that he could interdimensionally link up to a [[black hole]] and use its antimatter to power his [[fusion cannon]]. When Megatron's bio was condensed down into the truncated version printed alongside his [[Tech Spec|tech specs]], however, the simplified language made it sound like it was ''Megatron himself'' who could use antimatter, rather than his cannon. This shortened version influenced the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|UK Marvel comic]], which depicted Megatron wielding antimatter, in the form of a starry black cloud, as a destructive weapon; in particular, [[Resurrection!|issue #104]] showed it streaming from his eyes (pictured at right), as it does in this story.

===Real life references===
*One last time, we remind you that the title of this issue, and the larger multi-parter, are quotes from "{{w|Do not go gentle into that good night}}," by {{w|Dylan Thomas}}.
*Just as Captain [[K'gard]] of the Galactic Council was a reference to the philosopher {{w|Søren Kierkegaard}}, General Neech is a reference to {{w|Friedrich Nietzsche}}.

===Errors===
*On page 1, panel 2, the ''Retaliator'' is referred to as a "Galactic Councilclass B warship." There ought to be a space in there.
*The geobomb was described as being red in issue #46, but it's blue here.
*Megatron says that the DJD will die by their "birth names," but "Glitch" isn't Tarn's birth name. Issue #11 made it clear it was an alias, and issue #36 revealed his real name was "Damus." (Roberts confirmed via Twitter that he acknowledged this in earlier drafts of the script, but that it "killed the moment.")
*Helex and Tesarus's real names have been swapped. The former, with his internal smelting chamber, is "Crucible," while the latter, who had a multi-bladed rotor-grinder his chest, is "Scissorsaw," but they're interchanged between the panels of the characters' deaths.

===Other trivia===
*The title of the story is missing from this issue; Roberts notes there was no good place to include it.
*In addition to Roller and Terminus, Rodimus identifies two of the "Disappeared" as Autobots named [[Wavelength (G1)|Wavelength]] and [[Syphon]]. Presumably these are the tall orange robot and short blue robot who appear in several panels (other "Disappeared" only appear in one apiece). Which is which is not specified, but as Rodimus states that he fought with Syphon during the [[Forced Flood]], Syphon is probably the orange bot with a scuba diver-looking face.
*Ravage notes that, in-universe, it's been twelve months since issue #28 (the start of "season 2" of the series).
*This issue also contains the first part of the [[Revolution Prelude]] back-up strip, a four page prequel laying the groundwork for September's "[[Revolution]]" crossover which appears in several of IDW's July titles.
*The emotive emblems return!

===Soundtrack===
For all of "The Dying of the Light":
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCdBc5uByFQ Hurt]" by {{w|Johnny Cash}}

A song "to accompany the imaginary trailer" for the story:
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhB6Lb7_kN8 Daydream in Blue]" by {{w|I Monster}}

For this issue alone:
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq9x-ff0fXs Here's Where the Story Ends]" by {{w|The Sundays}}
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hD0wd2HUVs Everything I Am Is Yours]" by {{w|Villagers(band)|Villagers}}
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Sdr9_1PFY Missing the War]" by {{w|Ben Folds Five}}
*"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcIYa7t-YhU To the Rescue]" by {{w|The Divine Comedy (band)|The Divine Comedy}}

===Covers (3)===
*'''Regular cover:''' Megatron cradles a spark-flower, by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
*'''Subscription cover:''' Rodimus and [[Rom|Rom, the Space Knight]] fist-bump, by [[Brendan Cahill]] and [[John-Paul Bove]]; part of a series of Rom-themed covers featured on numerous IDW titles in July, in celebration of the launch of the character's new ongoing series.
*'''Retailer incentive cover:''' Megatron stands on a dais and holds his hands aloft as spark-flowers blow around him in the wind, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]; a counterpart to Roche and Burcham's cover for [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|issue #29]].
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===Advertisements===
*[[The Last Autobot|''Titans Return'' one-shot]]
*''More than Meets the Eye'' #57
*''[[Revolution]]''

==External links==
*[http://www.nerdspan.com/july-27th-idw-previews-rom-1-x-files-annual-2016-micronauts-4/ Preview]

The War Never Ends

2016-08-11T01:52:14Z

KrytenKoro:

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|title="The War Never Ends"
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[June 29]], [[2016]]
|coverdate=June 2016
|written by=[[Tom Scioli]] and [[John Barber]]
|art by=Tom Scioli
|colors by=Tom Scioli
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|production by=[[Chris Mowry]]
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'''There's only one 'bot who can stop Megatron's mad plan to have Primus consume the Sun. It all ends here... but will anyone be left standing when it's all over?'''

==Synopsis==
As battle rages around him, [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] hitches a ride on [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s jet mode in order to reach the top of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s head, where [[Destro]] stands with [[Doctor Venom]]. As Destro and Hawk trade blows, the arms dealer is shocked to recognize the Joe's lucky tomahawk as the warhammer of the Viking [[Thor FalkenHauser]], whom he slew in his youth. Suddenly, both combatants are simultaneously felled—Destro by a javelin hurled by [[Lady Jaye]], Hawk by the [[Baroness|Serpentress]]'s snake-staff. Doctor Venom wrenches the javelin from Destro's wound, and the masked man reaches for the tomahawk to finish the injured general off, only to be stymied when [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Duke]] swoops down on his jetpack and snatches the weapon away. What neither man realizes is that the tomahawk is actually [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] technology given to Duke's Viking ancestor in ages past... and now that it is back in the hands of the FalkenHauser bloodline, its true power is unleashed! Duke brings the weapon crashing down on the gem that hangs around Destro's neck, and as the gem shatters, Destro perishes, his body reduced to a smoking corpse. The gun in Destro's hand—a gift given to him by Megatron—reveals itself to be a [[Mini-Megatron|tiny Decepticon]] when it transforms and attacks Duke, but the Joe sergeant ends it threat by simply crushing it beneath his booted heel. Duke rushes to Hawk's aid, but finds the general is beyond saving; the fresh wound has agitated the injury he took on the day the [[Decepticon]]s arrived on [[Earth]]. Duke blames [[Snake-Eyes]] for originally wounding Hawk, but Hawk now reveals that [[Storm Shadow]] was the one responsible, and that the shot Snake-Eyes fired had been to throw off his ninja brother's aim, saving Hawk's life. Ever since then, Snake-Eyes has been acting as Hawk's deep-cover agent within [[Cobra]]. Hawk dies in Duke's arms, much to Doctor Venom's amusement; the furious Duke shoves a live grenade in the doctor's mouth, killing him.

Super-charged by the energy of the [[Sun]] that [[Primus]] is in the process of draining, Megatron combines the energies of his [[black hole]] heart with the [[Matrix of Leadership]], seizing control of all the [[Autobot]]s' bodies and drawing them in, combining them with his own and turning himself into "Mega-Megatron." The Joes are unwilling to hurt their friends by pressing their attack, and things seem to go from bad to worse when the Decepticon flagship ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' appears in the sky. However, the vessel is revealed to have been captured by [[Shipwreck]] and [[Polly]], who crash it into Megatron, scattering the Autobots free! Further, the fact that Shipwreck—last seen on Earth—still lives portends a joyous revelation: through clouds of space dust that have obscured it until now, the Earth comes into view! Though a new continent has been gouged into the planet's surface by its collision with Cybertron, the Joes' homeworld is still in one piece, and a radio transmission from the Joes on Earth soon informs them that the "Atlas Protocol" has been initiated...

''Having lost contact with Cybertron, the remaining Joes on Earth open the ancient, sealed envelope kept on file "in case of Armageddon." Within, they find a set of co-ordinates, which [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]] follows to a hidden bunker in the South American jungle, where he finds the body of G.I. Joe founder [[Joe Colton]] preserved in suspended animation. Once awakened from his cold sleep, Colton instructs Flint to take him back to [[T.H.E. P.I.T.]], where he reveals the existence of a second secret facility hidden even ''further'' below the already-underground base. Instructing the Joes to don ceremonial helmets cast in the shape of the Autobot symbol, Colton leads them down into the depths... where an impossibly huge cybernetic eyeball watches their arrival...''

When [[Cobra Commander]]'s cowl is snatched away by one of the [[U.S.7]] animals, he calls for someone to bring him a replacement. Snake-Eyes takes this as his cue to appear, bowing before the commander and offering him his original helmet and faceplate, which the ninja has kept since their last encounter. The moment is interrupted by the arrival of [[Billy (G.I. Joe)|Billy]]—his lost human limbs replaced with reptilian equivalents courtesy of [[Koh-Buru-Lah (creature)|Koh-Buru-Lah]]—and Storm Shadow, who is determined to settle his score with Snake Eyes. As Billy and his father duel, the two ninjas engage in a short battle of their own, which ends when Snake-Eyes stabs Storm Shadow in the chest. The white-clad ninja congratulates Snake-Eyes on his victory, then passes away in peace. Billy is distracted by his teacher's death and finds himself surrounded by Cobra Commander and his retinue... but just then, Snake-Eyes reveals his final trick, remotely triggering the anti-tamper mechanism built into the commander's helmet. The commander shrieks and tries to pull the helmet off, but too late: the plastic explosive lining his headgear detonates, killing the commander and all those around him.

The frenzied pace of the battle does not slow down, as suddenly, the legendary Autobot "god of death" [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] comes crashing through Primus's eye, and challenges Megatron to face him in a one-on-one confrontation on the Sun. Megatron, eager to slay all old gods that he might take their place in his new age, accepts, and the pair relocate to the mechanical surface of the Dyson sphere that Primus has surrounded the star with to drain its energy. There, Magnus snatches the Matrix from Megatron's chest, but when Megatron mockingly inquires if Magnus thinks that reclaiming the talisman will make him king, Magnus replies that he is no king, but rather a placeholder for the ''true'' ruler. At that point, Magnus's armor opens, and from within his body... his physical form restored, and his spirit recovered from the afterlife by [[Scarlett]] using the [[Brainwave Scanner]]... [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] emerges! With one mighty punch, the reborn Optimus sends Megatron hurtling over the edge of an aperture in the sphere, tumbling into the heart of the sun, the Matrix falling with him. Starscream appears to reach out to save his leader... but in actuality, the treacherous air commander is reaching for the ''Matrix'' instead, grabbing it as Megatron disappears into the solar inferno.

A giant game of "hot potato" ensues, as [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] snatches the Matrix from Starscream's grasp, and the Joes, Autobots, Cobras, and Decepticons all engage in a mad scramble to recover it. Finally, it is snagged by [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], who returns it to Optimus Prime... but this is not the victory it appears to be, as Prime soon discovers that even with the Matrix, he cannot stop the hunger-maddened Primus's consumption of the Sun. Fortunately, [[General Flagg]] has the answer, and sends word to Colton on Earth to put the final step of the Atlas Protocol into action. As all assembled watch in awe, the Earth itself ''transforms'' into the giant robot [[Atlas (G1)|Atlas]], lost sibling of Primus, and punches its brother-planet square in the face, shattering the Dyson sphere and saving the Sun. With the danger over, Snake-Eyes makes one final request of Optimus Prime, petitioning the Autobot leader to heal his scarred features. At the touch of Optimus's thumb, Snake-Eyes's face is repaired, and he and Scarlett embrace, ready to move on to the next stage of their lives together.

The Joes return to Earth to celebrate their victory in "Space War I," where Hawk is buried with honors, and Flagg is given the death sentence for his war crimes, only to be spared by Presidential pardon at the last minute. Scarlett and Snake-Eyes retire to live on Earth's new continent, which becomes home to [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] and all those who live within him. [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] and [[Cover Girl]] get married and use a combination of techno-organic technologies to conceive a child. Billy—representing the perfect fusion of man, machine, reptile, Joe, Cobra, and Arashikage—takes up the mantle of both Snake-Eyes ''and'' Cobra Commander, assuming control of his father's organization as a force for good and using it to colonize and terraform [[Mars (planet)|Mars]]. The pregnant Serpentress—now the Baroness once more—retreats to the planet [[Venus (planet)|Venus]] to await the birth of her's and the deceased commander's prophesied [[Serpentor|child]]. Megatron, trapped in the burning core of the sun, tries to use his black hole heart to teleport himself into another universe; his charred remains are deposited in a world of magic and rainbows, where they are found by a group of [[My Little Pony|little ponies]]. Under Optimus Prime's direction, Primus/Cybertron is set on course to return to its original orbit, and once it has left Earth's [[Solar System]], Prime departs on the ''[[Ark II|Ark 2]]'' with a hand-picked crew of Joes and Autobots on a mission to track down the [[Quintesson|Makers]], creators of all life in the universe. Appointed king once more and now ready to face the role, [[Hot Rod|Rodimus]] is left to rule Cybertron in Optimus's stead.

Some time later, as the Joes get back to normal life, Duke and [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]] see Roadblock's two daughters off on their first day of school. Just before the school bus drives away, however, Roadblock notices something odd about the driver... it's [[Dreadnok|Buzzer]]! Snatching his girls to safety just before the bus reveals itself to be [[Bus Decepticon|a Decepticon]], Roadblock and Duke open fire on the Dreadnok and his robotic ally, realizing that the war never truly ends, and that they must ''always'' be vigilant for robots in disguise!

[['Til all are one]]!

==Featured characters==
{{Featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (14)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (16)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (23)
*[[Hot Rod|Rodimus]] (24)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (25)
*[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (26)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (31)
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] (32)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (56)
*[[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (57)
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (58)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (63)
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] (64)
*[[Primon]] (73)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (74)
*[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] (75)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (87)
*[[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] (90)
*[[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] (91)

|c2=
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (1)
*[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (5)
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (11)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (12)
*[[Mini-Megatron]] (19)
*''[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'' (20)
*''[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'' (21)
*[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] (33)
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (65)
*[[Bus Decepticon]] (92)

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*[[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Duke]] (2)
*[[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] (3)
*[[Snake-Eyes]] (4)
*[[Jinx]] (6)
*[[Alpine]] (7)
*[[Wild Bill]] (8)
*[[Lady Jaye]] (15)
*[[Flash (G.I. Joe)|Flash]] (17)
*? (27)
*[[Blowtorch]] (28)
*[[Stalker (G.I. Joe)|Stalker]] (29)
*[[Scarlett|Scarlett/Zkarlett]] (30)
*[[Shipwreck]] (34)
*[[Polly|Polly/Seasick]] (35)
*[[Footloose]] (36)
*[[Dial-Tone]] (37)
*[[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]] (38)
*[[Spirit]] (39)
*[[Ghostrider]] (40)
*[[Joe Colton]] (41)
*[[Law]] (42)
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*[[Order]] (43)
*[[Ripcord]] (44)
*[[Bazooka (G.I. Joe)|Bazooka]] (48)
*[[Gung-Ho]] (59)
*[[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]] (60)
*[[Mutt]] (61)
*[[Junkyard (G.I. Joe)|Junkyard]] (62)
*[[Rock 'n Roll]] (66)
*[[Snow Job]] (67)
*[[Freedom]] (68)
*[[Deep Six]] (71)
*[[General Flagg]] (72)
*[[Falcon (G.I. Joe)|Falcon]] (76)
*[[Tripwire (G.I. Joe)|Tripwire]] (78)
*[[Mainframe (G.I. Joe)|Mainframe]]? (79)
*[[Sandstorm (G.I. Joe)|Sandstorm]] (84)
*[[Clyde (G.I. Joe)|Clyde]] (85)
*[[Max (G.I. Joe)|Max]] (86)
*[[Cover Girl]] (88)
*[[Quick Kick]] (89)
{{!}}}
|h4=[[Cobra]]|c4=
*[[Destro]] (9)
*[[Doctor Venom]] (10)
*[[Baroness|Serpentress/Baroness]] (13)
*[[Storm Shadow]] (22)
*[[Cobra Commander]] (45)
*[[Tomax and Xamot]] (46, 54)
*[[Firefly]] (47)
*[[Major Bludd]] (53)
*[[Nemesis Enforcer]] (69)
*[[Raptor (Cobra)|Raptor]] (70)
*[[Dreadnok|Buzzer]] (93)

|h5=Others|c5=
*''[[Thor FalkenHauser]]'' (18)
*[[Billy (G.I. Joe)|Billy]] (49)
*[[Blind Master]] (50)
*[[Soft Master]] (51)
*[[Hard Master]] (52)
*[[Primus]] (55)
*[[Atlas (G1)|Atlas]] (77)
*[[My Little Pony|My Little Ponies]] (80-83)
*Roadblock's daughters (94-95)
|}}
==Quotes==
"I've lived through '''many''' cataclysms, but as long as someone needs a '''gun''', there will always be a place for '''Destro'''."
:—'''Destro'''

"That was a '''beautiful''' stroke. Fighting you was an honor. All these years we were better served as '''enemies''' than as '''friends.''' Steel sharpens steel, as the Hard Master taught us. You made me better, as I hope I did the same for you. If the karmic cycle demands that I die four thousand times, I hope all of those deaths shall be at your hand."
:—'''Storm Shadow's''' dying words to Snake-Eyes

"Don't you realize, Billy? Daddy '''always''' wins. The secret of my success is simple. It's all in my '''manifesto.''' My secret is that I '''cheat.''' If you '''break''' the rules, you '''make''' the rules."
:—'''Cobra Commander'''

"'''Starscream''' is here for you! I've '''got''' you!" 
"Loyal Starscream... I '''knew''' I could count on you. You've served me well." 
"I was talking to the Matrix." 
''KICK!''
:—'''Starscream''' and '''Megatron'''

'''Falcon:''' "If GoBot Jesus can't do it, how can '''we''' stop Primus?" 
'''Bazooka:''' "Got any '''ideas''', General?" 
'''Flagg:''' "Don't worry. Joe's got this one covered." 
''(beat)'' 
'''Flagg:''' "Right, Joe?" 
'''Colton:''' "'''Right,''' Larry."

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Wild Bill's skin and clothes are all a bleached-white color following his return from the dead last issue. On the surface this creates a kind of spectral, "ghostly" look to go along with his resurrected status, plus he's clearly display inhuman powers, able to project a lasso and shoot six-gun style from his index fingers. Tom Sciloi notes in the issue's commentary that he's been transformed into a "superhuman man-machine hybrid," in-keeping with the overarching themes of this series.
*Destro recognizes Hawk's "tomahawk" as the warhammer of Thor FalkenHauser, viking ancestor of Duke, who he encountered when he was still a youth back in [[Stick To Your Guns|issue #9]]. The hammer has been in the care of Hawk's bloodline since Destro killed FalkenHauser and [[Aberneth the Hawk-Helmed|Hawk's ancestor]] picked it up. The tomahawk is revealed to actually be Cybertronian technology, explaining how it so easily cleaved Ravage's head open all the way back in [[I Saw Three Ships|issue #1]].
*The narration tells us that FalkenHauser was given his warhammer "for his role in a long-forgotten war of the worlds," which—taken together with the revelation about Earth's true nature from this issue—shows that Destro was ''far'' from the first human to gain access to Cybertronians and their technology. As indicated by the presence of the warhammer's symbol on the walls of the secret passage below the Pit, the Vikings were an earlier (the earliest?) incarnation of a secret society entrusted with guarding the secret of the planet, which G.I. Joe is just the newest incarnation of. The Vikings were previously shown to have a connection to Cybertron in a flashback in [[Everybody Hates Metroplex|issue #5]] (set after issue #9), in which Aberneth was shown captaining a longboat with Autobot symbols on the sails, rowed by men wearing Autobot masks. These masks appear again this issue, when Joe Colton has the Joes don them to awaken Atlas, indicating they are the society's "ceremonial garb" of sorts.
*Duke mentions that "the scum who killed [his] daddy used a Destro gun;" we learned about his father's death by gunshot in [[Escape from Primus|issue #11]].
*Megatron gave Destro "a gift" in [[Funeral for a Friend|issue #3]], which turned out to be a Cybertronian gun in issue #5. This issue, we find out the gun was a Transformer itself, "Mini-Megatron," explained by his "filecard" to be an Autobot-created anti-Megatron propaganda tool that Megatron co-opted.
*Hawk dies when the Serpentress agitates the wound he took in issue #1. We saw Storm Shadow try to finish his failed assassination attempt by attacking Hawk up close and personal in issue #5.
*Scarlett was previously subjected to the Brainwave Scanner in [[Headmasters (issue)|issue #7]]. Among the many haunting experiences she subsequently endured in that issue was hearing the ghostly voices of the many dead [[Nebulan]]s on whose back [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] was built; she subjects herself to the scanner again so that she can once more make contact with "the other side," as it were, and thus lead Optimus's spirit home.
*Scarlett mentions that Optimus helped her when she was "at her lowest." This must refer to events that occurred off-panel between issues #7 and [[Pax Megatronus|#8]], as Scarlett shed the rage that drove her and took control of Scorponok.
*Scarlett gave Snake-Eyes Cobra Commander's old helmet, recovered from the wreckage of the plane he went down in, in [[The Golden Boys|issue #0]].
*Billy's remaining organic arm and leg were torn off by Koh-Buru-Lah in issue #8, but he was revealed to still be alive, held within the creature's body, in [[Earth: R.I.P.|issue #10]]. We see this issue that the beast regenerated his limbs as reptilian counterparts.
*Ultra Magnus was last seen taking possession of Optimus Prime's dead body in issue #10. With this issue, we learn he is not some mythical ferryman of the dead; rather, he was taking the body to repair it (see "Transformers references," below).
*It was suggested that Earth, like Cybertron, might also have been a creation of the legendary [[Daiakuron]] in issue #10, and with this issue, we get our answer: yep!!
*Cobra Commander was granted dominion over Mars by Megatron last issue, which Billy now inherits.
*The Baroness is pregnant with the child who will grow up to become Serpentor, following her passionate encounter with Cobra Commander last issue.
*Brawn and Cover Girl's child is conceived using "a combination of [[binary bonding]], [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] and [[technoactive cube|technoactive core]] technology." In this series, binary-bonding was previously featured as the means by which Doctor Venom turned himself into Soundwave's head, and was also used to describe [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]] and Scarlett's Headmaster bond to Scorponok, so why those would be listed as different things, eh, who knows. Technoactive technology, meanwhile, was the means used by Perceptor to bring Wild Bill back from the dead, apparently an outgrowth of the Decepticons' "[[Pretender|people-growing]]" experiments.
*General Flagg's war crimes include murdering the [[Jugglers]] in [[Expelled from the Garden|issue #6]].
*Buzzer appeared in die in issue #3, shot through the head by Doctor Venom; the way he is shown to reconfigure his arms into a gun and his signature chainsaw here indicate his resurrection owes something to Cybertronian technology. His unnamed bus Decepticon partner, meanwhile, appeared before in issue #6.

===Transformers references===
*Megatron's "Mega-Megatron" form is styled after the jagged, many-faceted look of [[Megatron (Movie)|the live-action movie Megatron]], and his pose in his introductory panel is based on one of the the promotional CGI renders of Megatron released for the [[Transformers (film)|first film]]. John Barber notes in the commentary the similarity of his combining all the Autobots with the [[Deceptigod]] from IDW's [[The Transformers (IDW)|2009-2011 ongoing comic book]], but it's just coincidence.
*The ''Nemesis'' is drawn just as it appeared in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]].
*The montage of Megatron artwork from the original [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comic]] on page 18 includes: Megatron standing against the army's firepower from [[The Last Stand|issue #4]]; Megatron issuing orders to the Decepticons from [[Power Play!|issue #2]]; splintered reflections of Megatron's face from the cover of [[A Savage Circle|issue #78]], and Megatron turning on Galvatron with "raw, naked aggression" from the issue's interior, Megatron under attack from the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] from the cover of [[Gone but Not Forgotten!|issue #25]], and swearing Optimus Prime will die by his hand from the issue's interior; and Megatron being blasted by Cobra from [[Realignments|''G.I. Joe'' #139]].
*Ultra Magnus crashes through Primus's eye in homage to the way the Autobots burst through [[Unicron]]'s eye in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. On the same page, Springer, Arcee, Ultra Magnus, and Kup recreate the poster for the movie, with Wreck-Gar standing in for Blurr.
*Magnus has repaired Optimus Prime's body by taking it into himself, in homage to the original Ultra Magnus toy, which featured a white Optimus Prime redeco as a cab and "inner robot." As the reborn Prime (now bleached white, of course, like Wild Bill!) emerges, a caption declares "THE RETURN OF OPTIMUS PRIME," re-using the name of the [[The Return of Optimus Prime|Generation 1 cartoon episode]] in which Prime was resurrected from his death in the movie.
*The narration promises that Megatron will eventually return as [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], though as it turns out, it's not [[Unicron|Uni''cron'']] he is found by, but some uni''corns''...
*The plaque on General Hawk's statue reads "[[Pax Cybertronia]]," a reference to the peace accord from the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' cartoon]].
*Snake-Eyes is given a real name for the first time in ''Joe'' history: Francis [[Witwicky]].
*The Ark 2's destination is [[Quadrant X]], a region space featured in the Generation 1 cartoon episode "[[The Face of the Nijika]]." In the cartoon, the Quintessons were known to be active in the area, hence its use here as the crew's first port of call in search of answers about the Makers.

===G.I. Joe references===
*The standard cover for this final issue appears to reference the cover to the final Marvel issue of ''G.I. Joe'' (#155) in which Stalker and Duke are folding the American flag.
*As Hawk and Destro battle, the first panel on page 4 is an homage to the pair's first meeting from issue #26 of the original Marvel ''G.I. Joe'' comic, and the classic panel is included as a background image.
*Hawk dies when the Serpentress impales him with her snake-staff, an homage to Duke's (would-be) death from ''G.I. Joe: The Movie'', in which [[Serpentor]] stabbed him with one of his snakes.
*As he dies, Hawk tells Duke to let Flagg know: "I win. I'm the Joe general who died a hero's death. I'm the one who gets a statue."—a grim riff on General Flagg's own martyr complex and eagerness for glory in death from the Marvel ''Joe'' series, in which he perished. Two full, silent pages from issue #22 of the Marvel series, depicting Flagg's funeral at Arlington, are re-used wholesale for this issue to represent Hawk's funeral, with Scioli noting in the commentary that he re-used them because he knew he couldn't top them.
*Doctor Venom's death hearkens back to his time in the Marvel ''Joe'' comic, in which the Eskimo mercenary Kwinn threatened to shove a grenade in his mouth. Duke follows through!
*The country in which Colton's bunker is buried is not specified, but the appearance of a tribe who lead Flint there suggest an answer: these are the Tucaro Indians, native people of Sierra Gordo, one of numerous fictional countries invented for the Marvel comic book.
*The concept of a secret Pit beneath the Pit, containing a gigantic alien eyeball, is lifted not from any classic ''Joe'' media, but from IDW's own continuation of the Marvel series!
*The "stairway to heaven" that Storm Shadow ascends as he dies is the repeating Arashikage hexagram, the tattoo of their ninja clan that both he and Snake-Eyes wear. Three silhouettes are seen waiting for him at the top, the [[Hard Master]], [[Soft Master]], and [[Blind Master]].
*Cobra Commander's helmet being lined with plastic explosive as a sacrificial anti-tamper precaution originates with issues #24 of the Marvel comic, a panel from which is re-used by way of explanation.
*When General Flagg finally takes off his aviator sunglasses and hat, he is revealed to look like [[Larry Hama]], principal creator of the ''G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero'' comic and characters. Colton even says that "Larry" is Flagg's real name!
*Like the Pit-under-the-Pit idea, the notion of someone else taking on the identity of Snake-Eyes also originates from IDW's continuation of the Marvel series, though in that book, it was a different ''Joe'' character named Throwdown.
*Roadblock having two daughters is taken from the live-action movie, ''{{w|G.I. Joe: Retaliation}}'', as is his close civilian friendship with Duke.
*The final page of the issue includes a panel of Duke and Roadblock's side-by-side introduction from issue #22 of the Marvel comic.

===Jack Kirby references===
*The visual of Megatron and Ultra Magnus battling on the surface of the Dyson sphere that surrounds the Sun is deliberately evocative of the planet {{w|Apokolips}} from Jack Kirby's DC Comics ''{{w|Fourth World (comics)|Fourth World}}'' series, complete with gouts of flame shooting up through apertures in the sphere like the planet's famous flame pits. Completing the reference, Megatron rages about becoming the {{w|New Gods|new god}} of the universe.
*When Optimus heals Snake-Eyes's face, it at first looks as if he is refusing when he offers a "thumbs-down" gesture in response to Snake-Eyes's request, only to then touch Snake's face with said thumb, emblazoned with a glowing tech-pattern. This is a reference to Arishem of the Celestials, from Kirby's Marvel series ''The Eternals'', the godlike alien being charged with deciding if the Earth was worthy of survival. If he decided it was not, he would offer a thumbs-down gesture, releasing the formula inscribed on his thumb that would end the world.
*Of all of Jupiter's 63 moons, the fact that Metroplex settles on Europa is almost certainly a reference to ''{{w|2001: A Space Odyssey}}'', which featured the moon as a key element of its story, and which Kirby produced a comic book adaptation of for Marvel.

===Real-life references===
*On Scioli's subscription cover, Snake-Eyes recreates the famous pose struck by [[Spider-Man]] on the cover of 1964's ''Amazing Spider-Man'' #19.
*Atlas is named for obvious reasons. Optimus Prime notes he is also known as "Terra," the Latin name for Earth, and in a Cybertronian document called the "[[Laser Scrolls]]," he is named "Pangaiden," a dual reference to {{w|Pangea}} (the ancient supercontinent that once encompassed all the land mass of Earth), and the Japanese word "{{w|gaiden}} (外伝) meaning "side story" or "tale."
*Megatron, of course, winds up in the world of ''[[My Little Pony]]'', described as a realm in which "magic is science, and friendship is magic," in reference to the subtitle of the 2010 reinvention of the brand. All four ponies who find his body are recognizable as "real" characters, from right to left: Moondancer, who licks his charred remains; Rarity from My Little Pony's third generation; ''Friendship is Magic'' protagonist [[wikia:c:mlp:Twilight Sparkle|Twilight Sparkle]]; and ''Friendship is Magic'' background character [[wikia:c:mlp:Lyra Heartstrings|Lyra Heartstrings]]. All four are "unicorn" ponies, playing into the narration's pun mentioned above. Given this hodgepodge of eras, the ponies have G1-style character designs.
*Page 38, in which Scarlett and Snake-Eyes receive their invitation to Brawn and Cover Girl's wedding, is modelled after the final page of 1982's ''Wolverine'' #4, in which the [[X-Men]] receive their invitation to [[Wolverine (superhero)|Wolverine]]'s wedding. Cover Girl and Wolverine have both hand-written the same note on the invites: "Don't forget the beers!"

===Errors===
*A ''lot'' of loose ends get tied up this issue, but one glaring omission is what becomes of [[Koh-Buru-Lah (creature)|Koh-Buru-Lah]]. Last seen floating right next to Megatron in the last few pages of the previous issue, the eldritch beast does not appear in this issue.
*Megatron's diminutive counterpart's name is parsed "MINIMEGATRON" on his file card, but "Mini-Megatron" all through the commentary. We've opted to side with the commentary for the parallel with the parsing of "Mega-Megatron."
*Law is seen with his dog, Order, on Earth, but Order last appeared active as part of U.S.7 on Cybertron.
*The sizes of the various landmasses adorning Atlas are... ''farcically'' out of proportion to their real-life counterparts.

===Other notes===
*This final issue is an extra-sized 48-page "prestige" perfect-bound special with a cardstock cover, containing 43 pages of story, the usual commentary from Scioli and Barber, a farewell message from Scioli, and no ads.
*Just poking her pink-haired head out from behind [[Zartan]] on Scioli's subscription cover is the Dreanok leader's sister [[Zarana]], a major ''G.I. Joe'' character who has been head-scratchingly notable by her otherwise complete absence from this series. Everyone else on the cover has appeared in the series at least once (or ''just'' once, in the case of [[Croc Master]]).
*A joking footnote claims that the story of how Shipwreck captured the ''Nemesis'' will be told in "Shipwreck: Space Pirate," released in July 2025.
*A lot of info about the state of the solar system post-war is given that doesn't fit easily into our synopsis above, including:
**[[Mercury (planet)|Mercury]] becomes a vacation spot for Transformers.
**The wreckage of the Dyson sphere becomes a new planet named [[Sunshadow]].
**The planetary matter gouged out of Earth by its collision with Cybertron becomes a [[Luna Secundus|second moon]], home to a sect of Megatron loyalists.
**Shipwreck polices interplanetary trade in the [[asteroid belt]], fending off attacks from [[Zanzibar]] and his space pirates.
**Former Decepticons and newly-airborn Autobots live in the "floating aviaries" of [[Jupiter]]. [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] takes up residence on [[Europa]].
**Cobra accountant [[Raptor (Cobra)|Raptor]] establishes an interplanetary tax haven on [[Saturn]]'s moon [[Mundilfari]].
**Uranus becomes home to [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]]. Rodimus and Wreck-Gar like to meditate there.
**A colony name [[New Atlantis]] is settled on [[Neptune]], with residents including [[Seaspray (G1)|Seaspray]] and [[Deep Six]]. A proliferation of [[Seacon (G1)|Seacons]] and [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]] causes the colony to relocate to the moon of [[Triton (moon)|Triton]].
**The [[Oktober Guard]] claim [[Pluto]] for [[Transylvania]]. The world becomes home to the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]], and to all those humans and Transformers who have returned from the dead. Some choose to worship [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]].
*In a dual reference we can't place under just one of our headings above, the bus Decepticon has "6484" written on its side, referencing 1964 and 1984, the inaugural years of the ''G.I. Joe'' and ''Transformers'' brands, respectively.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Standard cover:''' Optimus Prime and Bumblebee fold up the United States flag, by Tom Scioli. The cover is a wraparound, but the back cover is blank.
*'''Subscription cover:''' Wraparound cover of our heroes and villains facing off, by Tom Scioli.
*'''Roll Out Roll Call Exclusive cover:''' Wraparound cover of the 'Bots, 'Cons, Joes, and Cobras at war, by [[Robert Atkins]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]. Produced exclusively for the [[unofficial conventions|unofficial convention]] Roll Out Roll Call 2016, the cover features includes numerous characters voiced by [[Neil Ross]] and [[Morgan Lofting]], the convention's guests of honor, including [[Shipwreck]], [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], [[Dreadnok|Buzzer]], [[Sixshot]], [[Dusty]], [[Slag (G1)|Slag]], Thunder, [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]], [[Baroness]], and [[Moonracer (G1)|Moonracer]]. Limited to 500 copies; 250 sold at the convention, and a further 250 sold through [https://www.dcbservice.com/ Discount Comic Book Service].
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==External links==
*[http://comicsalliance.com/transformers-vs-gi-joe-13-final-issue-preview/ Preview]

Talk:Artifacts of the Primes

2016-06-20T20:54:13Z

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== List ==

Could the list perhaps be replaced with a gallery? There doesn't seem to be an obvious order to the list, and I feel it would be helped by at least images to help readers distinguish between them.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 16:54, 20 June 2016 (EDT)

User talk:Abates

2016-05-02T18:02:44Z

KrytenKoro: /* Episode Template */ new section

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==To-Do List==
===Operation: Screen Captures===
I don't know which episodes these are from - feel free to tag them with {{tl|MFcap}} or {{tl|Energoncap}} if you know!
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Image:Diver suiton.jpg|Diver from Masterforce
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==Moderators==
Hi! Just wanted to ask if all moderators were chosen during the early days of TFwiki. Thanks. [[User:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|Optimus Prime (Convoy)]] ([[User talk:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|talk]]) 03:41, 1 January 2015 (EST)
:By the way, apparently iOS doesn't like to allow users to view recent edits, histories or even edit at all.[[User:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|Optimus Prime (Convoy)]] ([[User talk:Optimus Prime (Convoy)|talk]]) 03:44, 1 January 2015 (EST)
::The admins were gradually picked over the years the wiki has been in operation (almost ten years now!) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:32, 1 January 2015 (EST)

==Small favor==
While extracting Macro's backstory from the game files, two letters didn't come out right. I don't know much about Transformers Lore and just wondering if you got any suggestions on what each of the letters might be? (Considering the rest of Macro's backstory does seem mention references to existing locations in TF lore.)
Here's the words that contain missing letters:
*"Speed*a"
*"Tower of *ion"
[[User:Plasmapause|Plasmapause]] ([[User talk:Plasmapause|talk]]) 16:17, 5 January 2015 (EST)
:For the first, there's the [[Speedia 500]] - Speedia is also the Japanese name for [[Velocitron]].
:For the second, probably the [[Tower of Pion]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:28, 5 January 2015 (EST)
::That certainly fits in perfectly, many thanks for your help! -- [[User:Plasmapause|Plasmapause]] ([[User talk:Plasmapause|talk]]) 16:48, 5 January 2015 (EST)

== Double-redirects ==

Sorry, forgot t'check the really obvious bits! - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 05:34, 21 January 2015 (EST)
:No worries! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:50, 21 January 2015 (EST)

== Image Import Error ==

I stuck a bunch of files with no description whatsoever in C:IIE a while back in the hope it might prompt someone to identify where they came from. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 06:19, 8 February 2015 (EST)
:That's really a situation where applying a template would be better, I think. They're more visible on the image description than a category is. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:32, 8 February 2015 (EST)
::Fair point. I think I didn't want to create the template at the time. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 19:24, 8 February 2015 (EST)

==Paper Magic Group==

Dunno what's going on with them, but we usually have 2 - 3 sets a year from them with the same name despite covering different continuities. I find that sticking a franchise tag on each page is likely the best way to keep them apart. [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] ([[User talk:Ironhold|talk]]) 16:46, 25 February 2015 (EST)

== WWOD image ==

Any chance you could replace [[:File:RID2015-BumblebeecontactsOptimus.jpg]] with a better-quality 16:9 image? Its mismatch with the other images on the page is really bugging me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:42, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
:Sorted! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:53, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:57, 6 May 2015 (EDT)
Can you do the same for [[:File:RID-bumblebeeholdsdebris.jpg]]? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:05, 2 June 2015 (EDT)
:I've been meaning to start a discussion about replacing that as a main image, actually. Typically our main images are either something notable about the episode, or a particularly funny moment, and that image seems like neither to me. I need to find a better suggestion first though! Just haven't gotten around to looking. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:47, 2 June 2015 (EDT)

== TFU Weapons ==

Hello Abates. Sorry to bother you, but I saw that you fixed the [[Badlands Saws]] page when I noted it was missing some info. After I found that, I double-checked the rest of the TFU weapons and found that the Badlands Saws were also missing the "tip quote" most of the other pages had. On top of that, the pages for the [[Assail Laser Rifle]], [[Atomic Axe]], [[Galactic Axe]], [[Lambda Pulse Blaster]], [[Maxima Missile Launcher]], [[Positron Shotgun]], [[Solo SMGs]], and [[Vice Heavy Grenade Launcher]] are all missing their tip quotes AND their info underneath their images. I had made a note of it on the Badlands Saws talk page, but it's been a few days since I posted it and it hasn't changed and I unfortunately cannot make the changes myself. "[[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 10:14, 28 December 2015 (EST)"
:Hey, it's not too difficult to find the info. If you go to the page of the owner of the weapon, it'll have a link to their profile page in the references section. Though the Transformers Universe site no longer exists, you can go to [http://archive.org/web/ the Internet Archive] and put the URL in to see what it looked like when it was operational. E.G. this is Doubletake's profile page: [http://web.archive.org/web/20141222061650/https://www.transformersuniverse.com/warriors/doubletake]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:01, 28 December 2015 (EST)
::Ok! Thank you very much for showing me that! I'll take care of those other pages now. "[[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 17:30, 28 December 2015 (EST)"

== "Fleshy" versus "Fleshie" ==

I saw that you spelled the word "F-L-E-S-H-I-E" [[:File:PrimeVsZombies Fleshie Zombie.jpg|here]]. Is this an acceptable spelling of the word in your reigon? I haven't been able to find anything suggesting that this is the case in my Google searches, but I thought I'd double check before dismissing your spelling as "incorrect". -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 16:16, 19 January 2016 (EST)
:Ordinarily it should be "fleshy," but "fleshie" may be how the game spells it. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 16:45, 19 January 2016 (EST)
::Fleshie as in a zombie made from a [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?search=fleshie&go=Go fleshie], not a zombie which is fleshy. It's not a term that is used in the game, as far as I recall. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:50, 19 January 2016 (EST)
:::Ooooooohhhhhh. In that case, it should stay the way it is. Glad I checked. Cheers! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 17:04, 19 January 2016 (EST)

== Redirect to delete ==

"Conspicuously-unnamed senator", since it's protected and I can't tag it to be deleted. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:50, 22 January 2016 (EST)
:Sorted! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:32, 22 January 2016 (EST)

== Tarantulas ==

Sorry about that. In my excitement I thought his minimal involvement in the two released issues was sufficient for that to go in the intro section. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 25 January 2016 (EST)
:Erring on the safe side is usually best where spoilers are concerned, and it's best to wait until the whole issue comes out before adding info from it anyway. I mean it's unlikely, but on the pages we haven't seen, he might go "HAHAHA! Only kidding, I'm actually Sideways." --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:36, 25 January 2016 (EST)

==Page histories to be merged==
I think [[Noble (BM)]] has missing history under "Noble/Savage"? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:44, 11 February 2016 (EST)
:Yep, done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:53, 11 February 2016 (EST)

==Pages to delete for moves==
Since, obviously, it's hard to pick those out from all of my automated edits, the following pages need to be deleted so that articles can be moved: [[BuggyMan]], [[Big Convoy]], [[Legion]]. I'll let you know if there's any other ones. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 07:46, 12 March 2016 (EST)
:[[Red Wing]] still needs to be deleted so Red Wing (MW) can be moved. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:52, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
::Oh! My apologies. I was flying through them and didn't notice that one had a different deletion reason. I'll try to take better care to check the deletion reason in future. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:23, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
:::It's alright! Thanks for getting to that. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:27, 1 April 2016 (EDT)
==Upload Images==
How do i become able to upload images? I tried to add some but it says insobt have permission to creat a new page. Thanks.
[[User:Wellofallsparks|Wellofallsparks]] ([[User talk:Wellofallsparks|talk]])

== Episode Template ==

I'm interested in replicating the code used for the "prev" and "next" buttons on other wikis, if that's okay. It looks like the button is handled as a "tti_buttonlink" class, which means I don't know where the code for it is held. Could you help me figure that out?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 14:02, 2 May 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Sky Lynx (G1)

2016-04-20T15:23:21Z

KrytenKoro: /* Kimmy Schmidt */ new section

This article sounds like it was written by Sky Lynx himself. I love it. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 18:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks - after a friend remarked that this article was so short compared to the Wikipedia's equivalent, I sought to rectify it by expanding the cartoon section and his Route of All Evil appearance. During the course of doing so, I realized that Predaking only appeared AFTER Sky Lynx had been shut down, and even though he had never faced Sky Lynx in this continuity, I considered it amusing enough to use as a joke for their long-standing cartoon rivalry. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

== Sky Lynx in motion ==

I added videos of Sky Lynx Rolling and walking, but unfortunattely, he is mistransformed here and it's the best video I could find. Could someonewho has the toy record a correctly transformed Sky Lynx in movement?

==DW comic scans==
One of those two images has to go. The image-to-content ratio is way too disproportionate for a guy who's got plenty of appearances elsewhere. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:If we must, I'd keep the first one, as it provides the best viewof his two bodies, and doesn't start in mid-sentence. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:The second one is used on several other pages, so it could go without being homeless. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

== Berko ==

Given that SL and [[Berko]] apparently form a partnership in "Carnival", and are definitely partners in "Mecannibals" and "Recipe", he should probably be mentioned in there. I'll get to it eventually, but I thought I'd mention it in case someone else wanted to tackle it. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:06, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

== Reissue History ==

Following a recent link at Autobase Aichi, I checked out [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/encore/e-07s.html Takara's "Tale of Sky Lynx" page]. Aside from what we know about Sky Lynx not being sold in Japan during the '80s because it was made by another company, it also notes that the reason Sky Lynx is now available stems from the merger with Tomy. After the merger, a member of the TF development team spotted a "shuttle dinosaur" development code name among the molds listed in Tomy's possession. Apparently, Toy Box was not the original equipment manufacturer, but rather, it had requested that Tomy develop the Sky Lynx design for it. (Such outsourced design and mold development was not uncommon in the Japanese toy market at the time.) The text also notes that, had the situation moved a bit more slowly, the molds might have been lost forever.

So, mere Talk page discussion, or worth putting in the article?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
: TOTALLY wiki-worthy material. Trivia section, sure, but that is EXACTLY the kind of info that needs to be in the main pages. Probably also worth listing in Toy Box's article... does Toy Box have an article? And if not, why not? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Okay, then, that's done. Don't know enough about Toy Box to construct a full article on it, though.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Having written the trivia section in Sky Lynx speak, you are certain to reap ample rewards in the next life. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::With the pattern so firmly established, [[Furmanism|could I do less?]]--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Search Bar Graphic==
Where does that weird little Sky Lynx line art graphic above the search bar originate?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 23:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
:An issue of Blackthorne's Transformers in 3-D, I believe - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 00:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Lynx VS Puma ==

Can someone put in a source for Sky Lynx being a puma in Japan? Because I'm looking at the Japanese box right now and it says he is a [[wiktionary:山猫|山猫]] ([[wiktionary:yamaneko|yamaneko]])-- a lynx. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 20:26, 19 December 2009 (EST)

== Toybox info ==

Found this discussion http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/japanese-hobby-magazine-scans-for-january-2008-164116/ Interesting summary of an interview with Junichi Ishikawa. Not sure how to cite this for inclusion. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:15, 22 December 2009 (EST)

== Commercial ==

This commercial [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQXPiKZ0hNk], states that Sky Lynx "triple changes from space shuttle to bird and lynx and then combines to form Sky Lynx". Does that mean he is officially a Triple Changer who belongs in Category: Triple Changers? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:21, 30 January 2011 (EST)

== Combiner Wars ==
A lot of people are reporting that Sky Lynx's ratchet joints are really loose, to the point of making the figure very floppy in combined mode. Should that be brought up? [[User:MBG|MBG]] ([[User talk:MBG|talk]]) 00:51, 20 February 2016 (EST)
:His joints are perfectly tight. They're, like, ratcheted. The problem with him is the combiner mode's shoulders don't tab into place. It has nothing to do with joint tightness. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 00:59, 20 February 2016 (EST)
::It seems to vary somewhat by figure. On mine his left (in combined mode) hip is even looser than his right, and both are looser than the ratchets on the other combiner's hips.[[User:Omegatron|omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 11:39, 2 March 2016 (EST)

===Lynx mode===
It's not mentioned in the article, but it looks like the figure is perfectly capable of being transformed into Lynx mode with all of his limbs pointed the right way. I'm going to guess it's not called out anywhere in the instructions or on the box, but is it worth mentioning at least? We have a few other toys that have "extra" modes pointed out in their descriptions, but I wasn't 100% sure if I should add it or not. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 13:02, 3 March 2016 (EST)
:I think I read somewhere that Hasbro acknowledged the lynx mode at a convention or Toy Fair or something. If that's true I that makes it worth noting in the article. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 07:26, 12 March 2016 (EST)

== Kimmy Schmidt ==

Any way we could get a caption referencing the Sky Lynx episode of Kimmy Schmidt?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 11:23, 20 April 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Mega-Octane

2016-04-14T23:50:13Z

KrytenKoro: Created page with "Shouldn't there be a redirect from Mega Octane? That's the name the instructions use.~~~~"

Shouldn't there be a redirect from [[Mega Octane]]? That's the name the instructions use.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 19:50, 14 April 2016 (EDT)

Talk:Decepticon Trailer Corps

2016-03-20T02:57:17Z

KrytenKoro: Created page with ""大車輪" (Daisharin) is the word for the [http://www.amazon.com/TOMY-Giant-Swing-Iron-Bar-kun/dp/B00KMPA9N6 giant wheel] in gymnastics. From the scan, it appears they're do..."

"大車輪" (Daisharin) is the word for the [http://www.amazon.com/TOMY-Giant-Swing-Iron-Bar-kun/dp/B00KMPA9N6 giant wheel] in gymnastics. From the scan, it appears they're doing some kind of gymnastics. I'm not familiar with the scene, so can anyone clarify if there's a reason "Great Wheel" is being used instead of "Giant Swing"?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 22:57, 19 March 2016 (EDT)

Beast Wars Shattered Glass

2016-03-03T14:49:08Z

KrytenKoro: /* Overview */

'''''Beast Wars Shattered Glass''''' is the eighth six-part story arc published through the [[Transformers Collectors' Club|official fan club]], by license-holder [[Fun Publications]]. The story appeared in the [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|club's bi-monthly magazine]], in issues [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 49|#49]]–[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 54|54]]. The story follows the adventures of a group of [[Transformers: Classics|Classicsverse]] [[Transformer]]s as they battle on the prehistoric [[Earth]] of the ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' universe.

The story arc was written by [[Ben Yee|Benson Yee]] and [[Pete Sinclair]], with [[Matt Frank]]. As with the preceding arc, the art was by Matt Frank with colors by [[Thomas Deer]] and letters by [[Jesse Wittenrich]].

{{chapters
|title=''Beast Wars Shattered Glass''
|prev=A Flash Forward (story arc)
|next=Alone Together
|float=none
|content=*[[Shattered Time|Part 1]]
*[[Shattered Expectations (BWSG)|Part 2]]
*[[Shattered Paths|Part 3]]
*[[Shattered Hope|Part 4]]
*[[Shattered Balance|Part 5]]
*[[Shattered Destiny|Part 6]]
}}

==Overview==
As the [[Invasion (issue)|Classicsverse is destroyed]], two ships commanded by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] are pulled into another reality and crash on prehistoric Earth there. Faced with having to survive in an [[energon]]-rich environment, both factions adapt—the [[Autobot]]s by taking on [[beast mode|beast forms]], and the [[Decepticon]]s by using new armor. The two factions are joined by [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]], sent by the [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTechs]] to keep the [[Origin Matrix]] out of evil hands.

==Notes==
*As well as featuring the 2013 club subscription figure and one of the subscription service figures, the story uses and [[repurposing|repurposes]] a bunch of existing toys. The Autobots, except Ultra Magnus, use bodies representing toys released during ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'', while the Decepticons, except Megatron, repurpose ''[[Beast Wars II (toyline)|Beast Wars II]]'' toys that originally represented characters from that franchise.

[[Category:Classics media]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass media]]

User talk:Saix

2016-03-02T06:11:21Z

KrytenKoro: /* Dinosaurs */ new section

Interesting that you think she's an Earthling... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 20:24, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
:Well, "Galen Witwicky", so I assumed. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:38, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
::I'm wagering that this involves a human/Nebulon interspecies relationship! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:43, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

==E-Hobby Starscream==
You guys share links from seibertron but if I want to share it from deviantart, that's bad? I mean the user that published those pages in deviantart is E-Hobby's official user page.(I think).--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 11:36, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
:It's not e-Hobby that's putting those pages on DeviantArt. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
::Hmm ok then, but still Seibertron is a fan site too, right?--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 12:16, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

==Joke about Legends Arcee==
If my joke offend you or simply not funny, sorry about that. I'm just joking about sexist tendencies of Japanese culture. In fact, most famous and badass woman transformer only doing cook and wipe Rattrap's ass in this comic.—[[User:MWM|MWM]] ([[User talk:MWM|talk]]) 11:01, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:Don't worry, I'm not angry. I got what you meant with the joke, but it was still iffy, since it's hard for a reader to tell if it's serious or a criticism of the comic. I appreciate that you took the time to uploaded the image! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:12, 21 March 2015 (EDT)

== 3-D Diorama? ==
Say, where did you find these? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:30, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www.tf-base.ru/comics_manga.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:32, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks![[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Ugh...they're all CBR files my computer can't access. Thanks for the link thought. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:::They're just renamed rar files. Change the file extension to .rar and upzip them [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:39, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

== Magmatron ==

Thanks for the back up there. I THOUGHT I remembered it being the standard but didn't want to remove it without checking so I just cleaned up the grammar. Might possibly be put on the page for the toyline itself, but not sure if it is really worth noting.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:30, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

== About the Hero Mashers ==

So I guess while you were putting them where they would go, BotCon's official Andromeda's Facebook page went ahead and made it a seperate cluster from anything before. [https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1128571057169997&id=1099425733417863] [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:51, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

== Sequel series = splinter timelines? ==

Can you show me where this piece of information comes from? I have never heard of this idea before; doesn't it nullify the entire concept of continuities? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:10, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this interpretation, but it doesn't nullify continuity. Series A happens, then series B happens as a sequel to A. A is definitely the past of B, but that doesn't mean B is the future of A. We have several instances of this happening, notably the Marvel G1 continuity. G2, A Distant Time & Place, Regeneration One, and Classics are all explicitly sequels to Marvel US G1, but are mutually incompatible. Hell, Beast Wars (the cartoon) was implicitly a sequel to both Marvel US G1 AND the Sunbow Cartoon. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:21, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::So then the U.S. ''Cybertron'' cartoon is not part of [[Aurex 802.23 Alpha]]? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:23, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:::It is when it is. The events of the US cartoon are completely relevant -if not fundamental- to the rest of the events on this page. Universal streams are not completely separate timelines. They blend and weave into each other and flow from larger sources, like, you know, '''streams'''. A single cartoon can be part of multiple streams AND its own all at the same time. I swear, people just look at "OOH NUMBERS" and forget the accompanying text that gives context to the numbers, and trip over themselves to be soooooooo clever in splitting up shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:33, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::::Well said. And let's be wary of letting the tail wag the dog here. The primary source text should always be, well, primary. Or, in other words, which are you going to believe, your own eyes or something that was published in code in a source book (or in a Japanese Manga with a print run in the hundreds or the like.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:47, 15 May 2015 (EDT)

== Mandarin Names ==

Hello, thanks for adding information. However, please do change the spelling for Taiwanese Mandarin Name because the spelling in Taiwan is different from the Hanyu Pinyin in China. Thanks. :D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:17, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

== Universal streams ==

Looks like we're both working on the same parts of the wiki at the same time. I'll take a break, I have homework anyway. Thanks for fixing up my code. I appreciate the help. (Even if I think you're wrong about Zarak.) --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:47, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== List of characters whose dimensional classification is unknown ==

There's also [[Gaiacross]] and his components. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:07, 27 June 2015 (EDT)

== Shell Game characters ==

If this wiki now accepts that RID Optimus-redeco [[Defensor (OTFCC)|Defensor]] is [[Viron]], then is it alright to do the same to the other "[[Shell Game]]" universe characters? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:36, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

==Regeneration One==

Regeneration One is explicitly a sequel to Marvel G1 continuity and belongs sequentially after it in write-ups. That's how the stories are presented, that's how it was branded, that's how the creators want it, and that's how we've written it up. If you want to rearrange things, make a case on a relevant talk page.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:44, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:You're really imperious for somebody who just started editing two months ago. ("How the creators want it"? Do you have personal correspondence with Furman on wiki organization?) None of the pages you've reverted actually contain Marvel US G1, which Regeneration One is a sequel to. You are linking together fiction that has nothing to do with each other in regard to those characters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:01, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::Sorry, I didn't realize that my tenure wasn't long enough to disagree with a six-month veteran like yourself. It's bizarre to not acknowledge that ReGeneration One and Marvel UK don't spring from the same tree and put leagues of fiction between them. And, if I'm "imperious," what are you? You're constantly changing around organizational elements with no discussion, based on whatever new scheme you've come up with. For someone whose been here well under a year, you certainly have strong opinions. I at least lurked for a long while to get the culture. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:03, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:::There's a difference between disagreement and acting like the authority on wiki organization and article writeups because apparently you're the only one who lurked. "Organizational elements" have frequently changed based on users' whims; section reorganization isn't anything new and the last major one was done purely by two users without input from others. In regards to MUK and RG1, it's not the job of character pages to establish points of continuity that aren't relevant to the actual subject of the article. The various versions of Jhiaxus have absolutely nothing to do with each other and putting them under one "continuity" is a ridiculous pretense with no benefit. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:26, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::::Separating RG1 (and Classics) into their own sections would be a major change to a large number of pages and there's been no discussion about it. If you want to do it, there should be talk first so everyone else knows what's going on. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 21:28, 11 August 2015 (GMT)
::::: And I've asked about it on http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Reorganising_Regeneration_One to see what people think. If it's ayes, then it's off to the edits! [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 23:15, 11 August 2015 (GMT)

==Characters with no confirmed universal origin==

Question... have we not specified [[Ramulus|Longhorn (Universe)]] and [[Sunstorm (Universe)]]? Just want to be sure I'm not missing something. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:26, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:No, I just forgot to update. Sorry! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:27, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you, your list is a handy reference.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:34, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Whilst this is being talked about, it's probably worth noting that RTS Strafe hasn't ''reeeaaaally'' had its universe confirmed - it was merged with G1 Strafe for some convoluted reason during the 'AOE Strafe is a counterpart of G1 Strafe' debacle and probably should've been unmerged after all that nonsense was undone. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:16, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:I'm mostly fine with just assuming he's G1 based on context, but I'd send in a question if you want confirmation. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:30, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Hey, Saix, should ''Universe'' 2003 [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreen (unreleased)]] be on your list as well? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:21, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== BW Metals manga ==

Do you still have the BW Metals manga scans? The links on the talk page are dead. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 16:48, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/0t4p8rcK/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/dWpVVb7v/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ZXqkMXea/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ch91fgKi/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/M6MwWTaV/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/jCLxuohn/file.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:54, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

==Italics==
Hey, man, saw you unitalicizing [[Ask Vector Prime]]. I don't really care one way or the other, but I seem to see it italicized a lot. Is there a policy or system to this? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:06, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
:AVP isn't a work or a franchise, so it doesn't get italicized. It's something like {{w|Dear Abby}}—a column. Chicago style of editing says columns don't get either quotation marks or italics. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:13, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
::That's fine for me going forward. There's a LOT of AVP where it's in italics though. If you're ever feeling like a quest, rooting them all out might be worth doing. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:15, 24 September 2015 (EDT)

==Gong==
Knock it off. It's fine the way it is now. Stop reverting each other. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 12:43, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

You were right. I was wrong. Making all the Guardians and Renegades convinced me of that. I apologize to you for my childishness. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 13:01, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:Not needed, but thank you nonetheless for the apology. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:30, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

== Stealth Bomber ==

I see that you put a redlink to [[Stealth Bomber]] on [[Stealth Saber]] and [[Victory Bomber]]'s pages. Did you intend that someone else would pick that redlink up to create a page for Stealth Bomber or did you think that Stealth Bomber didn't merit an individual page? I've wondered about such a thing as we have an individual page for RiD [[Dreadwing (RID)|Dreadwing]] but not for BWII [[Formation Scream]], G2 Megatron+Starscream, and G2 Dreadwing+Smokescreen. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:31, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
:I think it warrants a page, hence the link. I was just too lazy to make that page in particular. Formation Scream should also get its own page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:57, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

== Disagreements ==

I saw what you wrote on the Community Portal. I can't speak for others but, though we often disagree, I do value your input and perspective. Also, it makes the times we do agree that much more meaningful. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:58, 2 November 2015 (EST)
:Speaking of, there's a contentious GoBots issue on Community Portal, should screen captures be included for character pages or not. I would be interested to hear you weigh in. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:07, 3 November 2015 (EST)

== Devisiun ==
I understand you may not like the speculative tone, but was it really necessary to also delete the plausible explanation that the secondary star may be encased in a [[wikipedia:dyson sphere|Dyson sphere]]? After all, the text clearly refer to a double star and one of the celestial body represented seems to produce a lot of light. (Besides having spot the same color than the "single" star of said same picture.) Damn... I was only trying to be thorough and objective. How could I contact Scott online so that the answer would be considered by this wiki? -- [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 06:11, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:I'm not Saix, but to quote the [[Help:Contents|wiki's main help page]]: "Speculation to fill gaps should be minimized, and preferably eliminated entirely." It's fine to note the inconsistency, but an extended account of possible explanations is unnecessary. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 06:46, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:Understood. Thanks, I'll sleep better now. But I'm still going to run a Tranformers RPG campaign and feel that this question may deserve an answer. So the second part of my inquiry remains. Since I will try to ask, where and how such a thing should be done so that the information could validly be forwarded on this wiki? [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 07:04, 16 December 2015 (EST)
::Scott has Twitter and Tumblr accounts you can engage her on. But, honestly? You're looking for complexity where there isn't any. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:::I have to agree. Most casual sci-fi fans don't know what Dyson spheres are, and the concept has never featured in ''Transformers'', as far as I'm aware. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 09:15, 16 December 2015 (EST)

== Your JG1 timeline list ==

Hey, that list on your user page is awesome and really helpful. Though, the Prime AM-28 Leo Prime bio also contains some JG1 info, set post-BWN before he jumps over to Uniend (or over to Gargent, then Nexus, then finally Uniend, as claimed by AVP, but I digress). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:36, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:Thanks for the reminder. I mostly constructed it so I would have something to check when organizating fiction sections. Let me know if I'm missing anything else. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:31, 18 December 2015 (EST)
::Will do. EDIT: Tale of the Pretenders is missing. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:53, 18 December 2015 (EST)

== Italics in establishment names ==

From what I've researched, I have to agree that establishment names aren't capitalized. However, that's how [[The Blue Deployer]] is rendered in the ''TransTech'' text stories. Think that's worth noting under "Errors"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:16, 19 December 2015 (EST)
:I guess. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:17, 19 December 2015 (EST)

== Just to avoid any edit wars over pastel horses... ==
I understand that the captions are about humor over anything else, but maybe the caption should at least be a ''little'' less confrontational in tone? I'm not against humor in the article itself, but that opening caption's not exactly ''good'' humor. It's more mean-spirited than simple jokeyness that this wiki thrives upon; so I decided that a joke about Bumblebee's kid-appeal nature (and thus perceptiveness to what's popular with kids) would be a bit less potentially divisive overall, and less likely to appear mean-spirited.

I expect that sort of tone in the articles for stuff like B.O.T, The Beast or Kiss Players, the really awful, terrible stuff we ''have'' to rip into pieces because of how bad they are, not an article on My Little Pony. It's kind of like opening, say, a Soundwave article by poking fun at his speech with a disabled joke in his first image caption because of his speech pattern; it's ''easy'' and can get a few laughs, but overall it's just not worth it because not everyone will find such jokes to be really funny. And above all else, I'd like to think that we as a community are above those sorts of cheap jokes just for a few laughs.

Not trying to come off as indignant here, honest. I'm just wondering if maybe the caption joke isn't really good in any capacity. And if a caption isn't funny, then really, we shouldn't defend it just because of longevity. We obviously need the funny to stay, but to ignore potentially valid points just for the sake of a joke seems...well, kind of odd for this Wiki. We're jokey, but nowhere unappropriate have I seen the wiki's captions actually being ''that'' harsh towards a subject.

It's also a jarring shift in tone to go from "Only the dead can know peace from this evil" as an opening caption to "Don't go looking for the Tooth Fairy without it!" as the next caption down the page. They're both aiming for humor, but one's more "Ha-ha look at this silly situation!" and the other is more "Ha-ha let's make a "ponies are evil" joke because it's teh funnies!".

Again, not wanting to look entitled; but I'm curious about why the edit was reverted so quickly. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2015 (EST)

== SPOILERS ==

Please remember to use the Spoiler warning template when adding new material. I just stumbled across information you added to [[Lio Convoy]] about [[Sunrise]] before I had a chance to read it. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 08:56, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:I apologize. I'll try to remember not to do that again. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 8 January 2016 (EST)

== Moving images ==

Sorry about that. I thought it was a more efficient use of space to align the tops of the images with the headers. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:55, 12 January 2016 (EST)

==About Grimlock==
They're both from Viron universes, and both technically part of the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 Robots in Disguise]] continuity.
Someone could be all like, "Wait, I though RID's Grimlock was a big green backhoe. Who's this Dinosaur?"
Imagine if there were two Optimus Primes in one continuity, even if they looked completely different, would it not be within reason to distinct the two from one another?{{unsigned|PsychoShark}}
:Your hypothetical is ridiculous. Explain to me the process in which this situation would arise. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:01, 25 January 2016 (EST)
:Plus the disambig link at the top already exists. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:05, 25 January 2016 (EST)

While going through my talk page, I noticed that PsychoShark mentioned that the [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Grimlock_(Dinobots)&diff=next&oldid=1048629 note] he added to [[Grimlock (Dinobots)]] was based on a similar note from [[Slapper (Dinobots)]]. Seeing as how we've deemed the other one unnecessary, I thought you might want to remove the one on Slapper's page. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 07:44, 7 February 2016 (EST)

== Universal origins list ==

If it's of interest to you for your user page list, I've seen that [[Nitpick]], [[Comet]], [[Beamer (Autobot)|Beamer]], [[NightViper]], [[Kickstart]], [[Heavyfoot]], [[Ironclad]], [[Fastbreak]], [[Aston]], [[Miss-Q]], "[[Kamen Rider Amazon]]", [[Time Limit]], [[Clutch (GoBots)|Clutch]], and [[Warpath (GoBots)|Warpath]] all have indeterminate cluster origin, albeit that they're all intentionally ambiguous and/or their origins are unlikely to ever be revisited. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:57, 27 January 2016 (EST)

== eptitle ==

With screencaps for episodes whose titles have been disambiguated, you can use the "eptitle" parameter to set the text of the link different from the actual link. For example, with [[Volcano (episode)]] from RID, you would put

'''<nowiki>{{RID2001cap|description.|Volcano (episode)|</nowiki>1|eptitle=Volcano}}'''.

Then, the link will show up like this:
[[Volcano (episode)|Volcano]]

Nice work on all that cleanup, by the way. Cheers! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:33, 1 March 2016 (EST)

== Dinosaurs ==

Okay, examples to try and clarify:
*火星 means "Mars". The kanji, treated separately, are literally rendered as "Fire Planet", but still plainly mean "Mars". It's not just being used to "refer" to Mars, it's straight up the name the Japanese give to the celestial body the English call "Mars".
*固定電話 means "Landline Phone". The kanji, treated separately, render as "Hard-determined Electricity-talker".

As demonstrated in the dictionary entries I posted, Japanese dictionaries ''dont'' give readers the symbolic runaround that the Dinoforce pages were using -- they simply treat "Gairyuu" as the word for an Ankylosaurus. I suppose I may be being somewhat oversensitive, but choosing to render Japanese words in a symbolic breakdown like that, contrary to how it's intended to be interpreted, feels a lot like refusing to acknowledge that it even ''has'' words for these concepts, and feels kind of Tarzanesque? I don't feel it's removing information, since to a Japanese speaker, Gairyuu doesn't ''mean'' "Armored Dragon" -- it means Ankylosaurus, just like to an English speaker (or Greek, if you want), Ankylosaurus doesn't "fused lizard", it means a type of dinosaur with an armored back and club tail --fused lizard is just the root of the name.

In addition, while many Japanese names for Dinosaur use "ryuu" in a similar manner to how English uses "saur", "ryuu" itself does not mean dinosaur, nor are dinosaur called "ryuu" -- as with English, they are instead called "恐竜", or "Ferocious dragon". I mean, "-saur" would be a workable translation of "ryuu", no complaints, but as in English "saur" is used to refer to more than just dinosaurs (e.g. Pterosaurs, Plesiosaurs, etc.) And in fact, Pterosaurs and Plesiosaurs include 竜 in their Japanese rendering.

I definitely see the value in retaining the kanji meanings here, especially if that's a thing we're going to be doing with characters like Triceradon, too. But I think we should make it clear that those are the ''root'' of the names, rather than treating the Japanese names as if they don't have specific direct meanings that a Japanese speaker would recognize.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 01:11, 2 March 2016 (EST)

Talk:First Aid (G1)

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Notably, First Aid once quit the Protectibots, leaving Defensor minus one arm when he had to battle Bruticus.[[User:24.21.139.41|24.21.139.41]] 06:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone find any evidence that First Aid is from Paradon? He looks a lot like the other autobots from there and has the same passive nature.[[User:Drowzor|Drowzor]] 07:12, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:No one can find what doesn't exist. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:17, 10 February 2011 (EST)

== Combiner Wars ==

I've checked my combiner part on this one several times, and can't find any tab to connect to the top of the toy. Has anyone else encountered this defect?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 02:21, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:The tab is on the vehicle roof. The hand-foot-gun has the slot, between its fingers. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 03:48, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
::Mine doesn't have that.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 01:07, 2 March 2016 (EST)

User talk:Chris McFeely

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[[User talk:Chris McFeely/2006|2006 Archives]]

[[User talk:Chris McFeely/2007|2007 Archives]]

[[User talk:Chris McFeely/2008|2008-9 Archives]]

== Daniel in Kiss Players ==

The note at the bottom says exactly where the bit about Daniel being frozen comes from. The timeline. KP presented a massive timeline of the G1 Japanese cartoon continuity that was probably the geekiest thing ever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:15, 30 January 2010 (EST)
:I know what the note ''says'', but if you look [[Generation_1_cartoon_timeline_(Japan)|at the timeline]]...it's not mentioned anywhere. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:37, 30 January 2010 (EST)
::Aaarrgh, don't tell me that! I reference daniel's cryonic suspension in my Collectors' Club article.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:27, 30 January 2010 (EST)
:::I believe it must be ''somewhere'', because it was Swift who added it, wasn't it? And Swift is like Layla Miller, with all the knowing of stuff. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:13, 30 January 2010 (EST)
::::Perhaps it was mentioned in passing in one of the radio dramas? If we go that route at least no one could argue that it ''wasn't'' since, shit, ''nobody's'' listened to those things. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:22, 30 January 2010 (EST)
:::::I've got a Japanese site bookmarked that summarizes all of them, and although it is all google-translated, I can't find anything that even ''resembles'' a reference to Daniel. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:31, 30 January 2010 (EST)
::::::IIRC, there are actually two different published timelines. One was on the side of Autrooper's packaging, and I think the other was in the KissPlay/Teletraan Go! Go! compilation book... they varied on a few subtle details, IIRC. You may want to ask Swift to be sure. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 16:48, 2 February 2010 (EST)

==Deathy's Resurrection==
Wait, why are you counting that as a story page? Wouldn't it just fall under toy bio/toy catalog continuity, like the time BW Megatron got smacked around by BWII Galvatron? (For that manner, since I assume it was internally produced by Takara, I don't know if we can safely say the art is by Ban Magami...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 16:48, 2 February 2010 (EST)
:Oh, well, I didn't put it on that page, it was there already. Given that it can't really work continuity-wise with the other story pages, it probably should be moved ''somewhere'' else, but I'm not sure where. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:51, 2 February 2010 (EST)
::Oh, unless you were referring to the header its info has been given on the character pages, in which case - that was Spengs. :) *looks innocent* - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:54, 2 February 2010 (EST)

==Henkei manga scans?==
What would you do if I sent over scans of the remaining Henkei chapters? (Mind, I scanned them pretty high, so they're running 2-3 megs) --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:24, 18 February 2010 (EST)
:I would smile broadly, then regret that there weren't summaries up yet so I could understand them properly. ;) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:21, 18 February 2010 (EST)
::But lest it not be apparent that I desperately desire these things - send away at them to gears_chatroom_god(at)hotmail.com ! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:51, 19 February 2010 (EST)

==Fast Action Jackson==

Thanks for clarifying that only the first 3 waves of FABs were released in Japan and removing the fiction from the proper characters. But I have to ask, if Frenzy was released in Japan as an FAB, why'd you remove the fiction from ''his'' article? Also, should I go ahead and add the FAB/BW crossover fiction to *all* the characters who were released in the Telemocha line? Even...the BWII and Neo characters? Or just the ones on Energoa? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:23, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:Oh, yeah, Frenzy wasn't either. I missed him and then went back. /:) I'm really not sure what to do about the BW characters, though... after all, the II and Neo characters wouldn't have been on Energoa... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:26, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::Ahhh. Gotcha. Thanks. As for the Telemocha dudes, I guess I'll add the info regularly to the Energoa guys, but for the likes of Gimlet, Motorarm and Cohrada, I'll just add something like "They may or may not have been transported back in time to Energoa to fight in the Beast Wars there against invading Autobots and Decepticons from another dimension" or something to that effect. With all the damn Blasty Zone time travel bullshit that goes on in the Japanese timeline, it probably isn't too out of the question that they went there for a second and came back somehow. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:08, 25 February 2010 (EST)

== Last three Masterforce screencaps ==

Hey Chris, I believe these are the last three Masterforce screencaps that need descriptions added back in: [[:Image:Parrot_and_armadillo.jpg]], [[:Image:Parrot_armadillo_headon.jpg]], [[:Image:Wilder_beastmode.jpg]]

I haven't been able to track down which episodes they're from, but I figured you might know offhand. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:03, 21 April 2010 (EDT)
:Dah! Might have to think about one or two of those for a minute... nice work getting the MF ep articles illustrated!! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:26, 21 April 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks! Good to have that finished! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:59, 21 April 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh, I discovered I'd missed [[:Image:Diver suiton.jpg]] too, but I haven't had any luck working out which episode it's from. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:12, 22 April 2010 (EDT)

==Subgroup==

I was looking at the page, and I'm genuinely shocked at how a fairly important section is abandoned. I'd have a go, but I can't decide on what style to do it in [[User:Eire]] Apr 22 15.56 2010

== Thanks ==

Thanks for protecting those pages. It was funny because I was just going to propose them being protected! --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 09:24, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

== Clip show ==

Hey, Chris I have a G1 Headmasters clip show that does not appear anywhere, I tried to add it but you changed all that. What do I need to do to add it? - [[User:Crisdecal|Crisdecal]] 09, July 2010.
:The episode you were trying to add already has [[Fight!! Super Ginrai|an article]]. Add the info there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:50, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
::You don't understand. It's a completely different episode. It's not Headmasters episode 43. It's different. The title is even slightly different. I have most recap episodes and trust me, its not any of the ones here. - [[User:Crisdecal|Crisdecal]]
::::That would be ''Masterforce'', I think you mean, rather than Headmasters. Unless that's what's causing your confusion. And I think we would need to see some proof of this, because every episode list for Masterforce, up to an including those published in Japanese guidebooks, only includes 47 episodes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:27, 9 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Your right. I meant Masterforce. I've uploaded 2 pics to this site. I'm new to this site so how do I show them to you? -[[User:Crisdecal|Crisdecal]]
::::::It's okay, I can see them on the recent changes page. I'm not sure what I'm looking at there with the second image - that's a title card from a VICTORY DVD set. Why is a Masterforce episode on a Victory set? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:34, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::That's how they are on the Pioneer LDC release. I recently came across this site in attempts to collect the recap episodes and in hunting down the recap episodes through the 'net I came across someone that sold me copies of the Pioneer LDC discs. What we both found is that the Masterforce recap episodes 43 & 44 are on the Masterforce disc 8; the Masterforce recap episode 47 and the one I'm telling you about is on the Victory Disc 6; the Headmasters recap episodes 36-38 are on Victory disc 7; and the Victory recap episodes 40-44 are on the Victory disc 8. -[[User:Crisdecal|Crisdecal]]
::::::::Well, I have to say, that's the first I've heard of anything like that. You're sure these are the genuine articles? Because that seems like an odd sort of mix up. Not to say that I could imagine a new clip show could have been created for a bootleg, or anything, but I'm at a bit of a loss, because... well, there's never been any indicated of another Masterforce clip show, and for it to have basically the same title as another one... I think we need someone more knowledgeable than I, and probably one who speaks Japanese, to clarify this... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:57, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

This is an original copy from the Pioneer LDC disc. I didn't believe it either until I was watching the recaps earlier tonight. I thought that the recap episode in question was also Masterforce episode 43. But you can tell there is a slight difference in the title and even the whole episode is different from all the other recaps. There is a narrator on this one and through out the whole episode each main characters title appears in large bold Japanese characters every time a new character is introduced. -[[User:Crisdecal|Crisdecal]]

The central character in this clip show is of course Super Ginari showing him kick Decepticon butt. Let me know what comes about all of this -[[User:Crisdecal|Crisdecal]]

== Almanac II Annotations for Page 98 ==
Would that text by Yoketron happen to read as "Musabetsu Kakuto Ryuu"? If so, it's a Ranma 1/2 reference- most often translated as "Anything Goes Martial Arts'. - [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 23:47, 15 July 2010 (EDT)
:Oh! Oh, very well done, sir! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:44, 16 July 2010 (EDT)

==Unsolved anagrams==

Just got these reponses from Forster, thought you might need them for the annotations:

"I was just looking at the Almanac Annotations, and saw a section labeled "Unsolved Anagrams" with a listing for a "Baron Ye Gult". I was wondering if it was perhaps "Tonya Bulger"
Updated Answer: I originally answered the question incorrectly. I thought you asked about 'Friar Ilia Tote'. So if anyone read that and was confused, its because I was asleep at the wheel. 'Baron Ye Gult' is my friend Albert Young. Albert is a big sports fan and goes dancing in clubs, but I am his friend anyway.

Another anagram: Is "Dankly Woolens" supposed to be "Kendall Swoony"? Sorry if these have been solved and just not posted to the annotations.
Kelly Woods, my kid sister. I didn't expect people to get all the anagrams. They were mostly just me having fun."

Given the letters used, I'm going to assume that Kelly's middle name is Ann. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:02, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

== D'oh! ==

I must have been thinking of Return of. Thanks for the correction! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:01, 13 September 2010 (EDT)

== i thought you might find this intresting ==

hi i am the denim cowboy i saw you at aa 2010 guy in cowboy hat. anyroad i am in beijing at this moment i saw in a basement in shanghai the masterforce and victory dvd boxset with your commentaries and your name on them your voice has gone all the way to china i will get a couple of pics and send them on when i return to shanghai.

i havent found much tf toys most of it revenge of the fallen and the power core combiners not much intresting but i did find in a toy market a TRANSFORMERS Original G1 1986 SHARKTICON GNAW Complete with japanese box

i thought you might want to know these bits of info

the denim cowboy
::I decree this to be awesome. :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:48, 23 September 2010 (EDT)

hi

i got the photos i needed from that dvd shop in shanghai that had the masterforce and victory dvd if you want me to send them on to you i need an e-mail address to send then to.

the denim cowboy

==Character box Victory clipshow==
For "[[Echo Across the Galaxy! Bell of Love!!]]", there's two (2)-entries and two (27)-entries. I've tried finding the episode on youtube, but came out empty-handed. Think you could fix this, and, while you are at it, perhaps add Jean's other classmate to the list if he appears in the clipshow? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 08:08, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

== ohhh ==

thanks how do i get photoshop?[[User:Robo killa|Robo killa]] 08:49, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:You buy it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:42, 4 December 2010 (EST)

== i.e: that Archtransit dude ==

I wouldn't be surprised if he was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Archtransit this dude]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:37, 5 December 2010 (EST)

== Request ==

Could you please ban me? I don't plan on contributing here any further. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:02, 4 February 2011 (EST)

== Vandalism ==

Hi, we have Kremzeek going on another hissy fit. Since you're the most recently online admin I saw, could you please block him? Thanks. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 12:24, 5 February 2011 (EST)
:I think most of the ongoing waves of vandals are actually Blackout, [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Vandalism&diff=prev&oldid=551184 this edit] all but confirms it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:57, 7 February 2011 (EST)

== Takara G1 Collection DVDs from Shout! Factory ==

[http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Transformers-Headmasters-Takara-Collection/15023] Since you seem to be something of an expert on Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory/Zone, I figured this might interest you. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:59, 15 February 2011 (EST)

== Ingrid's relationship to Carter Newell in Nefarious ==

I noticed that you mentioned in the synopsis to [[Nefarious issue 6]] and in [[Fortress (ROTF)]]'s fiction writeup that Ingrid is Newell's niece. I haven't been able to find a mention of what their relationship is in the comic, so I was wondering where that's from. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:09, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:Well... um... huh. Looking back over the issues, I can't find it either. Geez. I must have... made it up? Wow, that's weird. Checked the "previously" pages in the individual issues and it's not there either... nothing on Furman's blog... yeah, shit, I guess that was just me. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:57, 20 February 2011 (EST)

==My bumper!==
You are correct, sir. Have a cookie. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:29, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
: *nom nom nom nom* - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:55, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
Now, as for Flashpoint... you're almost there, but there's one more homage-point you've missed! CAN HE FIND IT? (Actually, the Energon Inferno thing is a coincidence, heh, since movie Inferno has the bronze/gold grill too.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:56, 23 March 2011 (EDT)

==Decoys==
Great stuff, McFeely. It's always awesome when we get a ton of information about something I basically don't know anything about. With pictures! -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:45, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

==Japanese trading cards==
[http://www18.tok2.com/home/jackhama/transformers/ Seen this?] --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:29, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
:Indeed I have! It is not an easy list to interpret, but I'm using it where I can! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:48, 23 April 2011 (EDT)
::Ahh, neat.
::Also, re: online translators - you may want to cross-check whatever you've been using the Google one for with [http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ Babelfish] and [http://translation.infoseek.co.jp/ Infoseek Japan], which both use different translation algorithms from Google Translate. (To translate a webpage with Infoseek rather than a text block, go [http://translation.infoseek.co.jp/?ac=Web&lng=en here], insert URL where appropriate, check the two rightmost radial buttons, and hit the button to the right of the URL input.) Possibly you know about this already too, but eh. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 17:13, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

== You missed a spammer ==

[[User:Understoodexcer]]

==Live-action film series Cybertron==
I haven't seen either movie, but I get from the articles Cybertron was not shown in them. Could you confirm this and perhaps answer if [[:Image:Movie Cybertron surfaceconcept.jpg|this piece of concept art]] was ever used canonically before John Barber wrote it into the ''Foundation'' comics? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:08, 26 June 2011 (EDT)
:Nah, you see that landscape in a brief holographic vision in the first film. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:40, 26 June 2011 (EDT)
::I see. Care to add that info to [[Lord High Protector citadel|the page]]? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 08:58, 27 June 2011 (EDT)

== mirage ==

could you add <nowiki>[[Image:TF3 Mirage.jpg|100px|this picture]]</nowiki> to the [[Mirage (Movie)]] article? I just created a account and it's semi-protected. thanks --[[User:Cavaliere|Cavaliere]] 06:51, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not sure if we have a place for this particular picture on Mirage's article yet, but we can keep it handy until the page is updated fully and see if we can get some use out of it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:35, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

::could you put it near the notes section? --[[User:Cavaliere|Cavaliere]] 08:41, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

==FLAANG==
FLAANG -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:43, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
:In less useless news, why do we do that? That seems very strange. Also, that means somebody has to go fix my Ratchet and Space Case issue writeups. Probably me. Dammit. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:46, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
::Writing up the events of a book or film or episode in present-tense is pretty much the literary standard. The foofy answer is that as isolated entities, they are "assumed to exist in an eternal present". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:53, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Well, live and learn, I guess. Thanks. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:56, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
::::It's a debate that was had a bit back in the old days! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:57, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== Super Collection Figure images ==

You uploaded the [[:Image:Ginrai scfs.jpg|SCF image for Ginrai]] ages ago and noted in the description that it originally came from the My Kool Toyz site. Now there's some other SCF images in [[:Category:Image import error]] which I presume you also uploaded. Can I safely tag them all as coming from the same site? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:25, 14 July 2011 (EDT)
:Giving it a quick look over, I do believe you may! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 03:44, 15 July 2011 (EDT)
::Awesome, thanks! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:49, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

==Shockwave Image==

Hello, this is Jedijam91. I am one of the users from Teletraan 1. I noticed that the image on this wiki for Shockwave is his depiction in DOTM. Because of our image policies at Teletraan 1 I cannot simply post the same picture that you have and I was wondering if you could lend me the image for its use on Teletraan 1. Our image is horribly outdated, its his depiction from the 2007 movie console game. [[Special:Contributions/208.104.218.26|208.104.218.26]] 21:28, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:As that's a promotional render of Shockwave and not "ours" per se, you're perfectly okay to use it. :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:09, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

* [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Gif_uploads_blocked.3F]]? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:23, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

==Atari fusion image==
Could you upload a version of [[:Image:Kissplay1 atari fuses.jpg]] that contains the prevous panel of Atari and Ne-04 in silouette? A less clear version of the image that does contain the silhouette is currently up for deletion and I'd rather not choose which aspect I find more important. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:13, 12 September 2011 (EDT)
:Sorted! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:25, 12 September 2011 (EDT)
::Thank you! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:57, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

==I thought Barricade did speak!==

You can clearly hear him say "You, your time is up. Move it.". The "remember me" line is speculation. As for Bonecrusher, we do hear him say "no" before being beheaded and his voice actor is credited. --[[Special:Contributions/68.32.145.39|68.32.145.39]] 14:37, 30 September 2011 (EDT)
:Yes. Those are the lines that Frank Welker did in his Soundwave voice, which have either through error or just-plain-not-caringness wound up applied to Barricade. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:00, 30 September 2011 (EDT)

== Wikipedia ==

I think I've seen you before on Wikipedia. I'm just curious. I used to edit there myself, and I saw your name there before. Is that you?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.162.136|71.255.162.136]] 00:36, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
:Oh yeah, that would've been me all right. Edited a lot of the Transformers articles there before the habits of certain editors became too much to be bothered with, so when TFWiki started up I hopped on over! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:46, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
::I also see your a huge Transformers fan. I'm also a huge fan myself. The same happens to me. When I make an edit, they say it's too in-universe or 100% plot dump, and then they revert it. I think this is the right place for me, so I think I'll also make an account for myself as well.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.162.136|71.255.162.136]] 12:04, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

== Strikas identity issue ==

[[Image:FFOD4-StrikaGlyph.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]hey, do u know which one is Strika in this pic? purple or pink, cuz it'd make more sense if it was the pink one in the pic please inform & by the way how was it confirmed that this was Strika anyway?
:Yeah, it's the pink one. Was confirmed in... "[[Flames of Yesterday]]", I think. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:20, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

== Quick suggestion... ==

...could you teach your [[User:Detour|pet fucktard]] here that if all he plans to do with his time is do nothing but revert the edits of others more or less because he feels like it, his time might be better spent leaping from the roof of an office building?

Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/70.77.36.81|70.77.36.81]] 20:54, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

== Thank you... ==

... for blocking that guy who vandalized the Centurion page. I know him from school. Is it possible that you can block any other IP addresses associated with the university, so that he doesn't keep spreading lies about me? Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/70.27.132.160|70.27.132.160]] 15:27, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

==Primal Program/Matrix==
Hey, Chris. We've found that the "[[Primal Program]]" is a term referring to the program in the Creation Matrix. Since the [[Matrix of Leadership]] article is your baby, I'm going to defer to you on if this warrants a merge. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:18, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:Hmmmn... I theeeenk... that it probably works better as its own article, if we redo it just a little bit so that the article is actually about the ''oath'', the actual act of swearing by the thing. Then we can link to the Matrix in the opening, and to the swear in the Matrix article. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:14, 2 December 2011 (EST)

==Rik Thomas ''Giant Robot'' article==
Since you were interested in it, I'm letting you know that I typed up the article at [[Talk:Rik Thomas]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:25, 7 December 2011 (EST)

== Almanac Addendum Annotations note ==

You mentioned Cheetor's ID card being too small to read all of it. Well, here's the [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2011/11/ark-addendum-rumbles-transform-and.html full size version] to be read clearly. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:31, 14 December 2011 (EST)
:Ach, yeah, that reminds me, I saw that a while back and wrote it up but never uploaded the changes! Must do that this evening, ta for the reminder. :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:47, 14 December 2011 (EST)
::While I'm thinking of it, I made a few [[Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II#Annotations|comments]] about the AAII annotations a while back, and wasn't sure if you'd seen them or not. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:11, 14 December 2011 (EST)

== Scrambling Neon ==

Not that I doubt, but can you source the [[Scrambling neon Decepticon]] and his tin-can friend not being a Mallah/Brain thing? I assume someone asked on a forum.

(Not that I was ever saying it was intentional in the first place... authorial intent being ostensibly irrelevant; it's just a noted resemblance. The two were inseparable all issue.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:50, 26 January 2012 (EST)
:I asked Griffith on [http://glovestudios.deviantart.com/art/TF-RID-1-Pg-2-3-281275030 Deviantart]. I've seen a few people make the suggestion in a few places, so I was undoing it not to refute the similarity, but to prevent people who are already thinking it from seeing that and believing it deliberate. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:37, 26 January 2012 (EST)
::Thank you! (I still think that's [[Scavenger (BM)|Scavenger]].) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:49, 26 January 2012 (EST)

==Trivial Armada-Tron Fiction==
[[The Balance of Power]], [http://www.leesullivanart.co.uk/www.leesullivan.co.uk/Transformers_files/Media/TFatari01b/TFatari01b.jpg available] [http://www.leesullivanart.co.uk/www.leesullivan.co.uk/Transformers_files/Media/TFatari0203b/TFatari0203b.jpg at the] [http://www.leesullivanart.co.uk/www.leesullivan.co.uk/Transformers_files/Media/TFatari0405b/TFatari0405b.jpg website] [http://www.leesullivanart.co.uk/www.leesullivan.co.uk/Transformers_files/Media/TFatari0607b/TFatari0607b.jpg of artist] [http://www.leesullivanart.co.uk/www.leesullivan.co.uk/Transformers_files/Media/TFatari0809b/TFatari0809b.jpg Lee] [http://www.leesullivanart.co.uk/www.leesullivan.co.uk/Transformers_files/Media/TFatari1011b/TFatari1011b.jpg Sullivan!] --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 20:44, 18 February 2012 (EST)
:I thought I was dooooone! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:54, 19 February 2012 (EST)
::Man, there's like four ''Armada'' [[Reader%27s_Digest|chapter books]] that we barely cover at all. He's bound to be in those, too! (Surprise, our coverage of UT tie-in fiction is sparse.) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 18:52, 19 February 2012 (EST)
:::Those were just adaptations of cartoon episodes, though, I think, weren't they? (Also, when you say "UT", really, it's just "Armada", ain't it? I mean, look at Megs's main and toy pages - Armada armada armada armada armada armada armada armada armada virtually nothing for Energon little bump up for Cybertron.") - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:47, 20 February 2012 (EST)
:Hrm. I have not actually read the chapter books, but I have a memory of someone's summary of the first saying that some details were fleshed out - specifically that Billy and Fred were both newcomers to Science City's high school, and took to bullying because of a sense of being out of place? It's been a while, though. And, yeah, true, there is a dearth of Energon and Cybertron tie-in fiction. I've never actually even been able to find any Superlink-specific guidebooks, for that matter, which, when I asked [[Fumihiko Akiyama|Fumihiko]] about it, he attributed to a publisher going bankrupt around that time. Not that that explains the rest of the world...
:Also, re: UT Prime and Megs' toy pages - do you think we should format them more like the movie guys? They have a lot of releases, and big toy->little toy->big toy is a little cumbersome, even if it's how the actual releases went... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:45, 27 February 2012 (EST)
::I think Megatron can get away with it as is, but I was thinking about that for Prime, all right. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]]

== Featured! ==

I'm gonna be busy conventioning on the last day of the month, so if you wanna flip over the Featured Article to whoever, I dub thee Interim Featured Article Chief! (I see you're working on Blaster.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:43, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
:Will do, chief! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:44, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
It's up to you again, sir. No power here in Ohio. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:43, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
:I am guessing you didn't see this. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:05, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
::More a case of me totally sucking at my duties. >_< - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:09, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
:::And you still haven't updated The Annotated Allspark Almanac Addendum. ([[Special:Contributions/184.56.31.203|184.56.31.203]] 17:29, 2 July 2012 (EDT))
::::And you still haven't learned tact! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:32, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::Well it's updated now anyway! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:56, 3 July 2012 (EDT)

==Script question==
Hey, Chris. I was wondering if you could check some G1 scripts to confirm the names for the [[football coach]] in "Triple Takeover" and the "alien scientist" voiced by John Stephenson in "Child's Play"? Thanks in advance! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:15, 18 April 2012 (EDT)
:Yup, they're just "coach" and "scientist". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:02, 19 April 2012 (EDT)

==Star Seekers faction symbol==
Thank you so much for fixing that up! [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 12:15, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
:Not perfect, but it'll do a pinch! It's weird how rough-looking and asymmetrical it is - it makes me wonder if that's deliberate, to give it a rough, Jolly-Roger-esque quality, or if it's just been badly drawn by the MMORPG guys. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:38, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

==IDW==
You do a good job at keeping the site in order. Can I ask politely what did Jazz, Cliffjumper, and Sky Lynx do in the latest comic? {{unsigned|Ed}}
:They're each seen in only one panel - Jazz appears in the Autobot base, while Cliffjumper and Sky Lynx are drinking at Maccadams. And I get that you're asking me so you can update their pages accurately, but that is not the way forward. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:50, 30 May 2012 (EDT)

== Sherlock ==

I actually googled it and found a website in Russian(!) talking about it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:43, 3 July 2012 (EDT)

== Sparkeater ==

"Not sure why you changed the links on this one. It's "A" sparkeater, named on the cast page as "The Pet"."

Going by the dialog it had looked to me like he was saying it's name was Sparkeater, which'd make sense because he's visibly a turbofox and not a sparkeater ala the one on the lost light. Anyway, I hadn't really checked the cast page. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] 05:50, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
:Yeah, I can see why the dialogue could be read either way, all right. If you've looked at the cast page now, though, you'll see it calls it "The Pet" and identifies it as "a partly domesticated Sparkeater", which is confirmation of something I'd suspected for a while - that a Sparkeater can be anything, and it's something a being ''turns'' into it, not something that's created. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:52, 23 August 2012 (EDT)
::That makes sense, yea. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] 06:49, 23 August 2012 (EDT)

== Pictures and editing ==

(sigh) Fine. Yesterday, its my 1st time joining and editing TFwiki. And just as I had awesome ideas of adding additional images to the unknown constructicon shovel page, other users change it back to the way it was! What is going on here?! It said I can feel free to edit pages on my main page the 1st time I joined, but other users change my favorite page back to the way it is now!--[[User:Constructifan|Constructifan]] 18:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)
:That number of pictures was ''completely'' unnecessary for that page. And as I explained, you can have ''one'' unique picture for your user page. That's our policy. -[[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)

== Hub pages ==

So, when does your OCD get you to do hub pages for all the Marvel UK issues with more than one story? :p

[Hell, given the introductions, letter pages, reprint editors and so forth that don't get covered in the current setup - and there were discussions about this before that agreed Something Should Be Done but no-one felt like getting round to do... - you could argue virtually every issue should get a page!] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:55, 8 March 2013 (EST)
:But their issue-list boxes are okay! That means my (entirely non-existent and made-up) OCD jimmies remain unrustled. :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:43, 8 March 2013 (EST)
::Comment from an outsider: I've never liked how we have pages for issues at the title of the story and not even redirects from the issue numbers. I would expect that if I had a comic with the title and numbering of "Transformers issue #7" I could type in "Transformers issue #7" and be directed to it or to a list of all "Transformers issue #7"s. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:58, 8 March 2013 (EST)
:::I fully agree (well, can't use #s, that's a reserved character used to jump to markers on a page like section headers). I think there were, and someone (Interrobang?) went on a deletion spree... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 12:18, 8 March 2013 (EST)
::::I generally think we should have way more redirects than we do. For example, I think we should have "Hot Shot (Energon)" and "Hot Shot (Cybertron)" (and possibly even "Hot Shot (UT)"). But don't get me started on my problems with the disambiguation scheme .... --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:43, 8 March 2013 (EST)
:::::I'm not too familiar with AWB, but could this process possibly be automated? Like, you have a table of "article name" and the various redirects you want for it, and it goes through and creates them all? I mean, it would still be a hassle to make that table, but...I dunno, throwing out half-formed ideas here.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:03, 8 March 2013 (EST)
::::::It could be done, but not with AWB. That doesn't have the mail-merge type capability - it finds, replaces, deletes and inserts, but only on a global level (i.e., you can create a bunch of redirects from a list, but you can only automate insofar as they all redirect ''to the same page''. Creating fifty redirects that all go to different pages wouldn't be any easier than doing it entirely manually).
::::::The admins tend to shoot down any suggestions to systematically add more redirects though (like Khajidha's suggestion to add a redirect for every franchise a character appears in). I don't get why myself - redirects are cheap after all. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 14:30, 8 March 2013 (EST)

== Metrowars 2 ==

Hey, McFeely, how did you get the images for Metrotitan from Metrowars 1 and 2 from TFPulp? Cause I kinda want to put up a synopsis for Metrowars 2, but I can't remember the details of it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:09, 9 November 2013 (EST)
:I just did a google search for it hoping to find it cached or replicated somewhere else while TFPulp is down. I don't remember where I found it now! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 07:35, 10 November 2013 (EST)
::Here, I found it on Seibertron: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/japanese-generations-2013-book-metro-wars-2-comic-translated-and-extra-commentary-by-guido-guidi/28418/.
::Could you fill out the summary? I wasn't exactly sure what's going on with the story the first time, and I still don't now. EDIT: Thanks![[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:44, 10 November 2013 (EST)

== Stephen Keener ==

Yo, Mr. McFeely. I was surfing around the web and found this:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=66374

I suspected it was fake, but after sending a message to the administrator, he told me that Ed Flanders' son Ian had provided the information. He even sent me a link of his user page to prove himself right.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=801912

My brain blew off.

I don't know what to think, so I decided to come to you.
--[[User:Starscreamsfan|Starscreamsfan]] ([[User talk:Starscreamsfan|talk]]) 14:19, 17 November 2013 (EST)

::Well I wish the actor meant more to me so I could share in the brain-blowing, but it certainly seems above-board... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:59, 17 November 2013 (EST)

:::Yeah, it's just that it was really unexpected for me, because to think of Father Dyer being in Transformers is really mind-blowing awesomemess for me. But I also recently saw the Rebirth, and you know, Scorponok's "Autobot! DIEEEEE!" sounds a lot like Mr. Flanders, just more violent and raspy if you come to think of it. --[[User:Starscreamsfan|Starscreamsfan]] ([[User talk:Starscreamsfan|talk]]) 14:19, 17 November 2013 (EST)

== Images ==

Thank you for reuploading the two MTMTE cover images. There has been two other images that have never worked for me, though. Beast Wars Blackarachnia's main image and Sixbuilder's main image have never worked either. Could you do something about that, please? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:20, 19 November 2013 (EST)

== Adding captions ==

I don't have an issue with the caption you added to the picture on [[Go (Go!)]], but don't we have a policy about [[Captions#Adding_joke_captions|adding captions]] if you're not contributing to the page? At what point does it become ok to add captions to pictures that don't have them?--[[User:BraveMax|BraveMax]] ([[User talk:BraveMax|talk]]) 04:43, 21 November 2013 (EST)
:My two cents: McFeely has done so much for the wiki that he pretty much has free license to change whatever the heck he feels like. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 07:06, 21 November 2013 (EST)
::I don't like to perpetrate any kind of "us and them" mentality among editors, but generally I've observed our policies on this to apply to newer editors, while the proven "older guard" have a bit more of a free hand. Where the distinction between such groups would fall I couldn't tell you. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 10:36, 21 November 2013 (EST)
:::I don't think the caption policy page is quite as clear as it could be, the policy is that you should be a productive member of the community before you add any captions. Whether you have done work on the page to which you add the caption is not really relevant. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:50, 21 November 2013 (EST)

== RID boxset bios ==

Hey, Chris, move this if it doesn't belong here, but do you still remember what you did for the RID boxset bios? I've always wanted to see them, but I've never been able to find them online, and as I live in America, I don't think I'll ever have the actual DVDs. I'd like to see them if I could. Thanks! [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:44, 9 December 2013 (EST)

== GOT HACKED!!!! :'( ==

Yo, Chris. I noticed that someone changed my password after my last edit on the Ed Flanders page (Which had only 10 characters at that time, 8 cartoon characters, 1 commercial character and possibly the 1984-1985 commercials "Other Guy"). But when I saw my message wall, I freaked out. This was the work of one of those cyberpunks called "Hackers" (which is why I made my new user).

While this cocky little s**t was editing fake credits (dunno how he got Milt Jamin right), I was visiting LA to meet Stephen Keener and Ian Flanders (and yeah, that user wasn't Ian). I watched various commercials and Season 3 and 4 episodes with them and I got some new info on the subject. Keener played all the commercial characters I listed in his page, but he actually did play a character in the series and that was Blowpipe, he immediately recognized his lines (although I believed he only spoke once, he jumped out of his chair and said "THAT'S ME!!!" when the Dalek line EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! came up). Flanders recognized the characters that were listed and two more (The Quintesson in The Return of Optimus Prime and the Little Junkion carrying the Journal along with various walla characters in The Big Broadcast of 2006).

Although Prima has a Flanders feel to it when I think about it, I definetly have to agree that's Neil Ross (because I can hear a little bit of Springer too). And Prima is Michael Bell.

But even then Corey Burton is listed as Primon while Rege Cordic is listed as Prima in the Dossier at The Cybertron Chronicle.

Sorry for this little inconvinience, and please, keep my old user page blocked. I don't want this hacker harassing me anymore. He has done a lot of harm already while I was gone visiting two great people.

I hope you understand.

P.S.: Keener now works at the immobiliary department, but as with a lot of people, he told me to never give his address or phone number to anyone (Man, I didn't think one fan would scare a guy like that!). But he's still a very cool and friendly guy.

--[[User:Don Botleone|Don Botleone]] ([[User talk:Don Botleone|talk]]) 10:21, 23 December 2013 (EST)
:cool story bro --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:59, 23 December 2013 (EST)
:I could do a whole thing here, but... no. It's not happening, Guillermo. Nobody here believes you. TFWiki does not exist in a vaccuum, we've see what you've pretended to do on Anime News Network as well. I accept that you may genuinely believe Ed Flanders did work on Transformers, but you have no proof for that, and you have lied and pretended to be other people to try and convince various websites of that fact - and you continue to fabrication ''ludicrous'' situations like the one described above. We are done with you. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 16:36, 23 December 2013 (EST)

== Beast Wars Universe ==

[http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Beast_Wars_Universe&diff=847942&oldid=847927 Why the revert]? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 06:37, 17 January 2014 (EST)
:Sorry, sir, I didn't even realise I did that! I must have tapped the screen on my phone by accident. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 07:34, 17 January 2014 (EST)

== IDWG1interior/cover templates ==

Spent a while figuring this out a while back so I could reuse. If you want to add more series to these, there's three essential sub-templates to edit (plus the documentation):
#[[Template:IDWG1interior/series‎‎]]: Here, you add where the page for the series is (i.e., stuff like [[The Transformers (IDW)]] and [[The Transformers: Megatron Origin]]).
#[[Template:IDWG1interior/series‎‎name]]: The subtitle of the series (e.g., All Hail Megatron). This is mostly for autolinking issues without a story title (i.e., pages like [[All Hail Megatron issue 1]]).
#[[Template:IDWG1interior/category]]: Where the stuff gets categorised. For the IDWG1 stuff, this is ''usually'' the same as /seriesname since all the series are categorised individually, but where there's a clash - e.g., for the [[The Transformers (IDW)|"The Transformers" Costa ongoing]], IDW gets added at the start.

([[Template:IDWliveactionfilmcover/series|There]] [[Template:IDWliveactionfilmcover/seriesname|are]] [[Template:IDWliveactionfilmcover/category|similar]] meta-templates for IDW live-action film stuff, but there's [[Template:IDWliveactionfilmcover/franchise|an additional one for "franchise"]]. Aligned just has [[Template:IDWAligned/series|/series]] and [[Template:IDWAligned/seriesname|/seriesname]]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 18:42, 24 April 2014 (EDT)

== An Inhumanoids query ==

Hey, I hate bugging people, but I've googled and come up empty and I recall you being pretty handy with Inhumanoids. I'm going through an Inhumanoids kick, watching it for the first time. In "The Evil That Lies Within, Part 5" there's a character identified only as General who is taken hostage by Backthorne Shore (when he pulls the gun on Sen. Masterson). Thing is, he's a 100% dead ringer for Colonel Sharp from the G.I. Joe cartoon. Like, identical character model. With Hector Ramirez and Ace/Sabre Jet being in the show, I was thinking maybe in a script he was identified as General Sharp (like he got a promotion)? I know the R2 DVDs came with PDFs of the scripts, so if you own those, any chance you could check for me? Kind of a longshot, but it seemed like esoteric knowledge worth archiving/confirming. Take it easy, man. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 17:42, 19 December 2014 (EST)
:Brilliant, enjoy the show! Knowing your love of horror I think you'll definitely get a kick out of it. I checked the script, and the General DOES get a name - but he's not Sharp, he's "General Crag". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:35, 19 December 2014 (EST)
::Curses! Thanks for checking it out for me, though; I appreciate it. And I just finished the opening 5-parter and it's one of those "where have you been all my life" moments. So many wasted years... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 12:30, 20 December 2014 (EST)

== Digimon-related request ==

Regarding [http://withthewill.net/threads/14186-Are-there-English-dub-anime-based-sources-for-Lucemon-Satan-Mode-s-name this thread], would you happen to have any recollection of an official dub name for Lucemon: Satan Mode from Digimon Frontier? We're trying to avoid renaming the page "Lucemon Wild 2nd Mode" without revising our site policies.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 12:17, 22 January 2015 (EST)
:Woo, Digimon! Sabrblade asked me about this on the AllSpark the other day. It's been like fifteen years so I don't remember so good, but when the show was on the air, I was in weekly contact with Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, who helped my site by providing voice actor credits and the proper spelling of some of the dub names (I can specifically remember Koichi's Digimon forms being a point of contention she clarified). I don't, unfortunately, remember if she was the one who provided me with the "Wild Mode" name for Satan Mode that I apparently used in my encyclopedia, but I figure she must have done as I don't think I would have made it up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:27, 22 January 2015 (EST)

== Secrets of the Allspark Almanac II ==

Hey, dunno if you saw this, but Jim's put up pretty much all of what's left that you haven't found up on his blog: [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2015/02/secrets-of-almanac-revealed.html]. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:47, 7 February 2015 (EST)
:I did, thanks! Now I have to remember the password to my webspace... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 15:15, 7 February 2015 (EST)

== Cloud? ==

I saw that you had done summaries for the first couple of stories, and I was wondering if you had gotten them online somewhere. Is there a place that's actually translating them (finally)? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:20, 20 March 2015 (EDT)
:Sorry if I'm wrong, but I'm not sure you noticed this the first time I asked this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:56, 28 March 2015 (EDT)
::Oh, you know, I didn't! There's [http://philthevaliant-stuff.tumblr.com/ a user] on Tumblr who's been translating a few of them intermittently. I think I'm one or two behind in getting them written up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 21:09, 28 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Thanks Chris! Looking under his tag, yeah, it looks like he has Resolve and Leap up in addition to the ones you've written up. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:13, 28 March 2015 (EDT)

==Ask Vector Prime==
Should [[Ask Vector Prime]] automatically be the subject header if that's the only fiction? It makes sense for cases where he's talking about wholly new universes we've never seen before. But when he's flitting in and out of existing universes I think that might make it confusing. For almost all Transformers fiction, the heading gives a good indication of the universe. For the few where it doesn't, like TImelines, we don't use Timelines. We use the series the Timelines book is dipping into. See [[Dead End (Animated)]]. On the other hand, you've been here forever and work on Vector Prime, so maybe there's an angle I'm not considering. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:30, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
:I'd say it's a case-by-case basis. Animated is a regular example where we ''did'' fold the explicitly-part-of-the-cartoon-continuity stuff into the main write-up, but that's because it was contemporaneously produced stuff, which began with the IDW comic, which was written by the show's writer, and specifically designed to slot in and around the episodes of the show. Not presenting information like that together is a disservice to what's being done. Conversely, at no point in the G1 cartoon did the Protectobots come from a colony planet - that's a thirty-year-after-the-fact add-in fix-fic by a separate writer in a different medium that I feel is categorically wrong to list under "The Transformers cartoon" as a header. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:14, 22 September 2015 (EDT)
::I'm probably over-thinking it. Thanks for answering. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:56, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

==Cybertron Optimus/Magnus==
Dunno what exactly you meant by that edit summary, but Optimus's bio does say "Teamed up with his brother Ultra Magnus for a desperate mission to the most remote areas of Earth, Optimus Prime will once again use the Spark of Combination granted him on Cybertron at the beginning of the Powerlinx Battles." The sentence you deleted wasn't needed, but the bio makes it clear it's UT Optimus. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:03, 23 September 2015 (EDT)
:Huh, I must have looked up the wrong bio. Sorry about that. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:18, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

== TF fisguers ==

what transformers figures do you own
sorry if this a dumb question [[User:Asda|Asda]] ([[User talk:Asda|talk]]) 13:41, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

==question==

how good is masterpiece sunstorm?[[User:Asda|Asda]] ([[User talk:Asda|talk]]) 14:24, 15 May 2015 (EDT)

dose it brake easy?[[User:Asda|Asda]] ([[User talk:Asda|talk]]) 14:24, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:Wouldn't know, I'm afraid, I don't own it! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:16, 15 May 2015 (EDT)

== Bee's Backtalk ==

Hey, Chris, you seem to have a much better ear for voices than I have. Can I ask you to check over my work on the transcripts for the audio and make corrections where they need be? Still working on a bit of it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:08, 12 October 2015 (EDT)

==New GoBots franchise article==
By the way, feel free to edit the Sandbox if you think of stuff. I trust ya. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:28, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

== The Coming Storm part 3 Seeker ==

If I may ask, do you happen to have a scannable copy of "[[The Coming Storm: Part 3]]"? In the grand scheme of things it's not that major, but I'm a fan of Seekers and it bugs me that [[Seeker (body-type)]] doesn't have a visual under ''Wings Universe'' for [[Shadowcaster]] and his not-Thrust subordinate. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:43, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:Taken care of! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 21:35, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

==Gobots, again. Sorry==

On the community portal, Thylacine 2000 is disputing my vote count. My interpretation of what you wrote was that you were in favor of having one new Challenge screen capture per GoBot, calling my proposal a workable solution. Later on, you expressed discomfort in having the screen captures commented upon by Cy-Kill included in the wiki. Thylacine 2000 takes this as evidence that you've changed your position. I thought you were specifically commenting on how the wiki is interpreting that data and kept your vote in the Pro New Screencaptures column. If I am wrong, could you please fix or let me know here and I'll fix? I think there should be screen captures but I don't want to do so by misrepresenting people's views. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:30, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:Yeah, shift me over to a "no". It was only an idle thought when I said I didn't object to it at the time, and I'd rather vote "no" than tolerate the active gaming of the system by Facebook users. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 15:10, 3 November 2015 (EST)

==The English Voice Actors pages==
Sorry about cutting so many roles. I'll ty to dial back a bit . -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 08:14, 15 December 2015 (EST)

==Tf Vs Gi Joe==

Would you mind explaining what about my edit was done right and wrong,please? I suspected I was getting a bit too reverent and thus it's why I asked for a second opinion by a more experience editor to polish away they bits that made it sound more ad-copy like. This isn't me asking for a reversion, just asking specifically what I did wrong so I can do better in the future, especially because I am thinking of focusing most of my edits on this series in the future. Thanks boss. :) [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 16:05, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:It was just a bit rambly and over-worded. "Glorious amalgam." "Horned Yemic demiurge." I kept the facts you added - cause they were good facts - I just made it read like something a person might say. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 16:19, 7 January 2016 (EST)

Thanks! I'll try not to take that "something a person might say" comment personally. :P Really though I do tend to talk like that (just ask my Morrison annotations) and I was both caught up and trying to embody the thematic style of the series. May have gone a bit overboard if it made it hard to parse, but I felt given the work we could be a bit more...''flowery.'' Anyway thanks for the kudos I'm proud to serve. [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 16:43, 7 January 2016 (EST)

== Unknown <s>Filipino</s> Generation 1 animation studio ==

[[File:Cheekbonescomparison.jpg|thumb|200px]]
I have to say, nice work on all that stuff. Far be it from me to tell you what to do, but do you think perhaps [[:File:Cheekbonescomparison.jpg|the image you posted on the talk page not too long ago]] (see right) might be worth putting on the page proper, with an appropiately informative caption? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:25, 9 February 2016 (EST)
:Nah, not this one, there are better comparison images that can be made with the discoveries we've made since. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 19:32, 9 February 2016 (EST)
::Fair enough. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:36, 9 February 2016 (EST)

== Question about Digimon Hurricane Touchdown ==

I'm trying to hunt down a source on whether DHT is considered officially in-canon or not. Obviously it has a ton of plot holes that make it massively difficult to place in continuity from a fan perspective, but I'm trying to find if there is an official statement -- after all, we had the incident with Battle of Adventurers, which was originally assumed to be out of continuity but then proven to be in it by the time Tamers ended.

Shining Celebi on withthewill has mentioned that he remembers some statement to the effect that DHT was non-canon, but cannot remember any actual details about what was said or who said it. He did say, however, that it was a source that would have been familiar to him and you. Would you happen to remember it?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 23:55, 1 March 2016 (EST)

Talk:Drag Strip (DOTM)

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KrytenKoro: Created page with "==questionable appearance== Is this a reference to him looking like a ghost? AVP has retconned that.~~~~"

==questionable appearance==
Is this a reference to him looking like a ghost? AVP has retconned that.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 10:35, 1 March 2016 (EST)