User talk:Laserwave

2026-03-28T22:05:27Z

Laserwave:

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The fuck are you on about, assclown {{unsigned|Laserwave}}
:The Talk page to [[Countdown to Extinction (disambiguation)]], where you went off on a tangent about Megadeth that had nothing to do with discussing changes to the page, hence it being deleted. Also, an attitude like that's a quick way to get yourself kicked out, so maybe dial it back. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:30, 6 February 2024 (EST)
:Thanks for clarifying, that was solid, but I still have no idea what you're on about [[User:Laserwave|Laserwave]] ([[User talk:Laserwave|talk]]) 09:46, 17 February 2024 (EST)
::Again, to explain, you posted "Also an album by Megadeth, of course, which one hopes is a G1 reference" on [[Talk:Countdown to Extinction (disambiguation)]]. The talk pages are only meant to be used for discussing changes made to the page, which that was not, hence why it was deleted and you were given the warning. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:18, 17 February 2024 (EST)

Basically n00bs aren't allowed to be funny or follow the exact tone of this wiki in case they stink it up with their n00b stench, also half a sentence constitutes a "tangent", cool cool, I stand by my original assclown statement

User talk:Laserwave

2024-02-17T14:46:31Z

Laserwave:

{{welcome}}
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The fuck are you on about, assclown {{unsigned|Laserwave}}
:The Talk page to [[Countdown to Extinction (disambiguation)]], where you went off on a tangent about Megadeth that had nothing to do with discussing changes to the page, hence it being deleted. Also, an attitude like that's a quick way to get yourself kicked out, so maybe dial it back. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:30, 6 February 2024 (EST)
:Thanks for clarifying, that was solid, but I still have no idea what you're on about [[User:Laserwave|Laserwave]] ([[User talk:Laserwave|talk]]) 09:46, 17 February 2024 (EST)

User talk:Laserwave

2024-02-06T21:05:18Z

Laserwave:

{{welcome}}
{{notachatroom}}
The fuck are you on about, assclown

Old Ways

2024-02-01T15:39:15Z

Laserwave:

{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron]]'' #13
|prev=All Hail Megatron issue 12
|next=Uneasy Lies the Head
|image=AHM 13cvrA.jpg
|caption=
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|title="Old Ways"
|date=[[July 22]], [[2009]]
|coverdate=July 2009
|written by=[[Simon Furman]]
|art by=[[Don Figueroa]]
|colors by=[[James Brown]]
|letterer=[[Chris Mowry]]
|editor=[[Andy Schmidt]]
|associate editor=[[Denton J. Tipton]]
|continuity=[[2005 IDW continuity]]
|chronology=''[[2005 IDW timeline|All Hail Megatron]]''
}}

'''Optimus Prime thinks back to the first time he met Ironhide.'''

==Synopsis==
In an old [[Autobot]] artillery ordnance, [[Ironhide (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ironhide]] admits that he is [[Furmanism|finished and done]] with the [[Great War (G1)|war]]. He is old, tired, and is ready to be stood down. All the battles, wars and campaigns have become a blur to him, and because of that, Ironhide has lost who he once was. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] says that he respects Ironhide's decision and won't bother to change his mind. The world is changing before their eyes, with new challenges ahead on the horizon, and they have to re-learn, reassess and adapt. Ironhide exclaims that that isn't it; he wants to meet those challenges head-on, but he no longer trusts his judgment, due to his situation with [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Optimus reminds him that he was ''never'' much of a judge of character, and that during the early years of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], Ironhide thought that Optimus was just a young upstart with no right to be called a "[[Prime (rank)|Prime]]". Ironhide counters that he stands by that...

''In Cybertron, during the early years of the Great War, [[Kup (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Kup]] goes over a list of Autobot soldiers that are standing at attention to Optimus Prime. Optimus is impressed by the group assembled, but notices that Ironhide has something on his mind. Ironhide asks for permission to speak; Kup denies it, but Optimus lets him anyway, much to Kup's chagrin. Ironhide says that the "army" Prime has assembled aren't soldiers, due to the fact that they have never picked up, let alone fired, weapons before and will probably die before they ever do; and Prime is unlikely to increase their odds of survival. Kup angrily calls Ironhide out of line, but Prime lets him speak again. Ironhide continues on, saying that they're at war, and motivational words out of him aren't going to win it. It takes guts, resilience, muscle and know-how. They need a leader that has fought in the trenches, fought and killed for something more important than a medal, and Prime isn't that leader. Kup explains that Ironhide served in the [[Cybertronian Civil Militia]], and has taken his share of knocks...to the head. Looking straight at Ironhide's face, Optimus asks him to teach him how to be a leader...''

[[File:AHM-13 Prime mouth.jpg|thumb|left|He gives you his face.]]
In the present day, Ironhide unscrews the casing of a missile and remarks that at the right point in its half-life, it's like drinking [[energon]] with a kick. He reminds Optimus Prime that he took every harsh word that was said to him, and learned from it. Taking a swig from the opened missile, Ironhide offers a cup to Optimus, who accepts it by opening his mouthguard. Ironhide goes on to say that lots of leaders would have put him in the brig, but not Optimus, who went on to prove Ironhide wrong on more than one occasion...

''During a battle on Cybertron, the Autobots have come under heavy fire. Optimus Prime agrees with Ironhide's suggestion that they can't stay where they are, but refuses his second suggestion to outflank their position and counterattack from the west. Instead, they'll head east to a corridor that they earlier cleared mines from, and from there, take up new positions at [[Polyhex]]. Ironhide thinks they're running, but Prime corrects him by saying that they're retreating instead, knowing that they would head to a trap by going west. Ironhide angrily says that he checked the area himself and there was nothing there. From experience, Prime thinks that it's too good to be true, but Ironhide isn't impressed, stating that retreating now would lose the sector they're on, and that this decision dishonors every Autobot who sacrificed their lives for it. Optimus tells him to either give the order to go east or he'll find someone else to do it. Reluctantly, the order is given, and not a moment too soon, as [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] arrives from the west...''

In the present day, Optimus Prime says that everything he brought to their battles came from Ironhide, who gave Prime the tools he needed to win. But Prime knows instinctively that some battles can't be won, that they have to cut their losses and live to fight another day. Ironhide, "drunk" on the energon he drank, staggers up, saying that he needs more of the stuff if he wants to listen to old stories some more. Optimus steadies him and decides to switch to something less "fissionable". Optimus believes that Ironhide's main weakness is that he meets ''everything'' head-on, but Ironhide retorts, saying that Prime can also be every ''bit'' as unbending...

''One time, Optimus Prime and Ironhide fell for a [[Decepticon]] trap, resulting in Ironhide's left foot being blown off and the two of them hanging on a ledge for dear life. Ironhide tries to speak, but Optimus won't allow it, for even a whisper is magnified a hundredfold, and the ledge won't hold them for long. Prime sees a rescue vessel in the distance as Ironhide tells him to leave him behind, but Prime refuses. Suddenly, the part of the ledge Ironhide is holding on to breaks, but Prime catches his arm in time. Ironhide says that they won't make it, but Prime reassures him that they will...''

Optimus Prime, with a hand on Ironhide's shoulder, tells him that his example honed Prime into the leader that he is today, and that Ironhide overcame impossible odds. Nowadays, ''other'' Autobots look up to him for his no-nonsense, practical know-how style, and the depths of resolve and indomitable fighting spirit that the Autobots need—and if Prime ever wavers, he turns to Ironhide for his hard-nosed, honest counsel. Prime says that if Ironhide decides to leave, they'll carry on, but they'll ''all'' be lessened by his absence, and Prime will miss his friend. Ironhide, taking a moment to think it over, decides to stick around instead, being outmaneuvered tactically by his military protégé.
{{--}}

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* [[Kup (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Kup]] (3)
* [[Hubcap (G1)|Hubcap]] (4)
* [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (5)
* [[Undertow (G1)|Undertow]] (6)
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* [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] (7)
* [[Tempest (G1)|Tempest]] (8)
* [[Motorhead (IDW)|Motorhead]] (9)
* [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] (10)
* [[Boxcar]] (11)
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==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* Subsequent story "[[Chaos Theory Part 2]]" showed Orion as a decorated and well-educated hero cop, which fits nicely with Ironhide's jab. (Later ones show he once fought a guerrilla war against Sentinel Prime, which does not, but that was probably kept quiet at the time)
* Ironhide was shown to be in the same unit with Optimus back in ''[[Spotlight: Blurr]]'', which at the time appeared to occur before this story. At the time of publication, ''Spotlight: Blurr'' was the only story that was contradicted in this regard, but many subsequent stories published by IDW showed that Optimus (as Orion Pax) had indeed fought many battles and for something greater than a medal and Ironhide had fought with him on several of them, including the very time Pax became Prime in ''[[The Transformers: Autocracy|Autocracy]]''. The flashback in this story leaves us some wiggle-room, though, as it is not dated in any way and Optimus is not actually referred to by name during it; to fit it into the expanded 2005 IDW timeline, then, it must be considered to occur before either ''Spotlight: Blurr'' or ''Autocracy'', back when Optimus was still Orion Pax and was assembling the Autobots as a military force under [[Zeta Prime (G1)|Zeta Prime]]. Present-day Optimus remarks that Ironhide didn't think he was "fit to be a Prime" when they met, but we'll have to assume that's a figure of speech.

===Transformers references===
* Although it isn't directly stated, the ledge that Optimus and Ironhide are hanging off is probably within the [[Sonic Canyons]], considering Prime's comment about "whispers being magnified a thousandfold."

===Real-life references===
* Motorhead's design here bears a passing resemblance to English heavy metal musician Lemmy Kilmister... who is the sole and constant member of the band {{w|Motörhead}}.

===Errors===
* Optimus Prime's live-action movie-inspired details such as the sun visors are consistently coloured red like his torso, even though they should be silver. Meanwhile, the small windows/door flaps on Prime's shoulders are coloured silver/grey, when they should be red.
* One of the 'bots Ironhide says isn't a real soldier is Hubcap, who served with Ironhide in the Security Services back in ''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]''.
* Brainstorm also appears in the line-up of assembled early Autobots, which wasn't an error when this story was published, but would be contradicted years later by ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'', which established that Brainstorm was an [[M.T.O.]].

===Other trivia===
* Don Figueroa's art style changed significantly since "[[Shattered Glass (issue)|Shattered Glass]]" in 2008. His new style, first seen in the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Official Movie Adaptation|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' movie prequel ''[[Transformers: Defiance|Defiance]]'' [[Defiance issue 3|#3]] and briefly seen again on his cover for ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight|Spotlight]]'': [[Spotlight: Cliffjumper|Cliffjumper]], now has Don drawing the Generation 1 characters in the style of the live-action ''Transformers'' movies. Figueroa commented that he wanted to draw in a new style that was significantly different from the style he was known for, which he was getting tired of.<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/mike-costa-confirmed-as-the-new-idw-transformers-ongoing-writer.253911/page-2#post-3928298|quote=There have been alot of worried comments about my "new" art style and I understand the concern. as you know, I've been doing this for a long time now, over 5 years in fact. and I'm sure some of you are tired of seeing the same thing over and over from me. I know I am. as an artist, I like to experiment. I gauge what people like and I try to bend where the wind blows. and recently, I see more and more from the fandom that "Geewun suxxors" and the thing is, I don't consider IDW's take as "G1". the stories are not a continuation of the ones from the 80's cartoon or the Marvel stuff. they didn't crash on earth 4 millions years ago and get lodged in a volcano, it doesn't even fit into Beast wars. sure it's got the same names and elements from G1, but that can also be said with every other series that came and went since G1. Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Animated, the Movie.. All have elements of G1 in them, all have an Optimus who's a red truck and there's a Yellow car that younger people can relate to. references to Matrixes, Unicrons..etc, but they're not G1. so please, calm down everybody. I'm just complimenting the new stories with a new look.|name=Don Figueroa|site=TFW2005|year=2009|month=07|day=24}}</ref> It was an infamous change, leading to [[ruined FOREVER|many complaints]] when he later used it on the [[The Transformers (IDW)|ongoing series]].
* And speaking of the movies, Prime's [[mouthplate]] can retract, just like his [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|movie counterpart]].
* [[Dull surprise]]? No! '''Perpetual sneer'''!

===Reprints===
<small>Other than [[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron#Collections|full or partial collections of ''All Hail Megatron'']].</small>
* N/A

==References==
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[[Category:All Hail Megatron issues]]

Bitch Wars

2024-01-22T18:25:57Z

Laserwave:

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"'''Bitch Wars'''" is an unproduced [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' episode]] that was mentioned by [[Bob Forward]] and [[Larry DiTillio]] during their panel at [[BotCon 1998]]. Essentially, it would've been the show's 'Ladies' Night Out'-episode, with [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] leaving their respective factions for one reason or another and together forming a third party in [[Beast Wars (event)|the conflict]] for a while. The episode never left the conceptual phase because they couldn't find the right angle to approach the subject from. Had it actually been produced one expects it would have been under some other title.

==External links==
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzYva5yfIK0 Bob and Larry discuss "Bitch Wars", among other things, at BotCon 1998]

[[Category:Beast Wars episodes]]
[[Category:Unproduced scripts]]

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