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Junkion (species)

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[[File:Junkion symbol.png|thumb|upright=1.4|R-E-C-Y-C-L-E recycle!]]

'''Junkions''' are a race of transforming mechanoids that inhabit the planetoid also known as [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]. Depending on the universe, their historical origin may be unclear, but in some they are indeed descended from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronians]].<ref>''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]''</ref>

They have a unique physiology, seemingly made of little more than the same rusted scraps of trash metal that compose their homeworld. They are capable of not only withstanding damage that would normally incapacitate or kill the average Transformer, but quickly repairing that damage using any pieces of scrap metal they can get their hands on. A Junkion may even be reduced to a pile of parts, only to come back at their enemy less than a minute later. Junkions in battle are utterly fearless, using tag-team and ambush tactics to keep mobile while swarming their opponents ''en masse''.

They are also expert mechanics, even able to repair with remarkable ease Transformers normal medical science would write off as [[Death|dead]]. ''How'' the Junkions have developed in this manner has yet to be explained.

Junkion culture is centered on one thing: [[Earth]] broadcasting. Their speech is a hodgepodge of television and radio clippings, making them oftentimes hard to understand. Junkions as a whole are somewhat childlike and naive. They are curious, but also tend to be wary of, if not outright hostile towards, newcomers to their planet (far too many have come with the goal of harming their world), but once a Junkion's friendship is gained, they go "coo-coo for Cocoa Puffs" and treat their allies as Friends For Life. As such, they are instinctively protective of [[human]]s, the source of [[television]].

After having come in contact with the [[Autobot]]s, the Junkions have become known as some of the best scrap metal merchants and traders around. Even [[Octane|some]] [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Decepticons]] make use of their services. The Junkions are all too happy to exchange [[energon]] for more scrap metal... even if they don't think to ask just ''where'' the scrap metal came from.

{{quote|Junkions don't need help, Junkions ''are'' help! Spare parts? We'll fix 'em!|[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]]|''[[Transformers: Exiles|Exiles]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:TFTM Junkions.JPG|upright=2|thumb|Punker Bots!]]

{{voiceactor|[[Frank Welker]], [[Michael Bell]], various other actors speaking as a crowd (English), [[Keiichi Nanba]] (Japanese)|[[Newton Apollo]] (Portuguese, "The Movie" VHS dub)}}

When a group of [[Autobot]]s crashlanded on their planet, the Junkions saw them as nothing but intruding thieves. Without warning, [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] and his Junkions led an assault on them, but they soon halted when another group of Autobots arrived and proved their friendliness with the [[universal greeting]]. Pacified, the Junkions revived the late [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and promptly organized a dance party for everyone.

When [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] voiced his desire to destroy [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]], the Junkions did not hesitate to join him, and a large number of them boarded the [[Minnow]] with which to attack the dark god. The Minnow was crushed in Unicron's hand in the following battle, but luckily the passengers survived (at the very least, Wreck-Gar and [[Perceptor (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Perceptor]] did). {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
{{note|The Junkions’ involvement in these events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the comic mini-series "[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]" and the storybook "[[Transformers the Movie (Ladybird adaptation)|Transformers the Movie]]."}}

[[File:FFoD4 Junkion Rescuers.jpg|thumb|left|200px|A species that does nothing but spout pop-culture references. That proves it: this cartoon predicted the shape of internet culture.]]

Two Junkions came with Wreck-Gar when he travelled to planet [[Goo Number 8739-B]] to save his Autobot friends. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} The exiled Decepticon [[Octane]] later worked with Junkions to freight scrapmetal between their planet to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}} The defensive Junkions later chased off a number of [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] that had landed on their planet in search of a [[Quintesson]] [[Quintesson Journal|journal]]. In response, the Quintessons hijacked the Junkions' precious television signals, planting subliminal messages that caused the Junkions to consider all other races to be their enemies. Even worse, the Junkions got the bright idea to ''share'' these transmissions, beaming them out in the galaxy and causing sentient races everywhere to fight each other. The brainwashed Junkions were eventually fixed when [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] countered the transmissions with some of his own. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (episode)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}}

====Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity====
=====''Generations Selects Special Comic''=====
Among other robotic races, the Junkions were created by [[Primacron]]. He used the lifeforce of the [[Precursor World|previous universe]] via the [[Primus#Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Oracle]] to grant them life. {{storylink|Generations Selects Special Comic Finale Part 2|Finale Part 2}}

=====''Victory'' cartoon=====
A few Junkions were residing in [[Iron Town]], where they were menaced by the [[Decepticon desperadoes]]. Fortunately, [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] saved the town. {{storylink|The Brave Hero of the Universe - Star Saber}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
When [[Gong (GoBots)|Gong]] and [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] destabilized the universe on the eve of the [[Unicron War]], the Junkions and their role in the conflict were overwritten and replaced by the [[Rock Lord]]s. [[Vector Prime]] ultimately corrected the multiversal damage and set history back on its correct course, and the Junkions helped defeat Unicron. {{storylink|Echoes and Fragments}}

===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
====The Big Broadcast of 2006====
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In a strange alternate future, the defensive Junkions chased off a number of [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] that had landed on their planet in search of a [[Quintesson]] [[Quintesson Journal|journal]]. In response, the Quintessons hijacked the Junkions' precious television signals, planting subliminal messages that caused the Junkions to consider all other races to be their enemies and meticulously organize the junk on their planet in hopes the lost journal would be discovered. The Junkions got the bright idea to ''share'' these transmissions, beaming them out in the galaxy and causing sentient races everywhere to fight each other. The brainwashed Junkions were eventually fixed when [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] countered the transmissions with soothing easy-listening music. Once the hypnosis was broken, the Junkions sided with the Autobots in driving off the attacking Decepticons. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (US)}}

====Marvel UK future timelines====
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''Following the destruction of Unicron, his still living head floated into range of the planet Junk, and using his vast mental powers he took control of the entire Junkion population. Planning to use Junk as his new body, Unicron ordered the Junkions to attach his head to the planet. His plot failed when Wreck-Gar, who had been off in space at the time Unicron took control, planted explosives beneath his head and blew him up.'' {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}}

===''Transformers Legends'' anthology===
The Junkions did not take kindly to the [[Recyclon]]s intending to recycle their planet into energon. After [[Salvage (G1)|Salvage]] damaged Wreck-Gar, the Junkions swarmed the intruders and forced them to retreat into space. Down but not out, the Recyclons decided to fire the [[Prime Processing Unit]] to recycle the entire planet from orbit, but the Junkions fired a tractor beam in return, sending [[Reclamation|their ship]] crashing violently into Junk. Salvage was the sole survivor of the crash, his last sight alive being a group of Junkions moving in on him. {{storylink|Collect and Save}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:MTMTE 8 anonymous Junkion.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|left|"We are the Transformers who say "NI!"]]
{{quote|You're not an Autobot or Decepticon, yet I smell the stench of ''both'' breeds emanating from you.|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]|"[[Runnin' with the Devil]]"}}
The planet Junkion began as a [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] garbage disposal area in space where junk was dumped by means of [[space bridge]] technology. From whatever reason more Cybertronians, [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s alike, were dumped through the space bridge, {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|''More Than Meets The Eye'' space bridge entry}} with the Junkions eventually emerging as a new breed of Transformer. {{storylink|Runnin' with the Devil}} Though not hostile by nature, the fact their home planet was paradise to numerous treasure hunters and thrill seekers that couldn't care less how the Junkions would suffer from their presence, the Junkions had adopted a mildly xenophobic disposition. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|''More Than Meets The Eye'' Junk entry}}

[[Dreamwave timeline|Sometime in 2003]], Junkion leader [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] was flying the [[Minnow|Junkions' main ship]] alone through space when he stumbled upon the remains of [[Decepticon leader]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}} He brought him on board and repaired him, though Megatron was not the least bit grateful. First, he harshly demanded to know what Wreck-Gar was and when that was answered, Megatron proceeded to manipulate Wreck-Gar into getting him a start back to power. The two returned to Junkion, where Wreck-Gar collected discarded [[Air Warrior]] bodies and repaired them, believing Megatron needed an army to vanquish evil from the [[Universe (universe)|universe]]. When he was done, Megatron killed (?) him, because Wreck-Gar was too unpredictable an ally. {{storylink|Runnin' with the Devil}}

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===2005 IDW continuity===
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According to the historian [[Pentius]], the Junkions were the remains of a rich and prosperous race who had arrogantly believed their resources would last them forever. When their veritable paradise of a planet finally ran out of [[energon]], these early Junkions were forced to sell off their wealth to other races in a desperate attempt at survival, but it was a futile struggle. As their civilization slowly fell into ruins and their planet was reduced to a hellish junkyard, the survivors deteriorated into a race of scavengers and cannibals living among the garbage. {{storylink|Fallout (issue)|Fallout}}

The Junkions became a kind of bogeyman to Cybertronians, who believed them to be monstrous scrap-eating zombies from the mythical death-world of Junkion. When [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] was banished to Junkion by [[Scorponok (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Scorponok]], however, he found that the threat was very real. {{storylink|Derelicts}} He viciously destroyed the group of cannibalistic Junkions who attacked him, suffering some damage in the process. {{storylink|Wreckage (issue)|Wreckage}} Tales of Megatron's power spread throughout the Junkion clans, and when the Decepticon leader later returned and demanded their loyalty, they were quick to bow before him. Joining forces with the Decepticons, the Junkions provided them with a ship with which to return to Cybertron. {{storylink|Primacy issue 2|Primacy #2}} On arrival in [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], the Junkions participated in the Decepticon assault on the city, swarming over and outnumbering the Autobot defenders. {{storylink|Primacy issue 3|Primacy #3}}

Soon after, Shockwave led a Decepticon force to the Junkions in the hope of recruiting them and Prowl led the Autobots to stop it. The [[Battle of Junkion]] ended with one of them ''detonating'' the planet's core so it would knock out the others. In the aftermath, the Junkions were left nomadic, a bit weird, and developing strange new ways of keeping themselves pieced together. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 2: A Lonely Pillar on the Plain|A Lonely Pillar on the Plain}}

Some four million years later, [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] recruited several Junkions into the army he was raising to oppose [[D-Void]]. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 3|Heart of Darkness #3}} Some other Junkions were among the [[NAIL|neutral Transformers]] who returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] after the war was over. {{storylink|A Better Tomorrow}} One of them watched a live interview with [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|The End of the Beginning of the World}}

In 2017, a crew of Junkions under Wreck-Gar and [[Rum-Maj]] arrived on [[Earth]] to trade technology for [[Ore-13|Ultra-Energon]]. They were bemused to find Optimus Prime on Earth claiming he spoke for it and such trade couldn't be allowed ''and'' [[G.I. Joe (team)|the natives]] hostile to them and Prime both. A formal meeting was held at [[Metrotitan (G1)|Autobot City]] and the Junkions offered a [[positron core]] as something to trade, allowing the Autobots to repair innumerous wounded people. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 2: A Lonely Pillar on the Plain|A Lonely Pillar on the Plain}}

Suspicious of the Junkions, the Autobots had [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] infiltrate [[Quintesson Cruiser|their ship]], {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 3: Behind My Bleeding Back|Behind My Bleeding Back}} only for him to be subdued by the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]]. In retaliation for this, Rum-Maj launched the Junkion invasion of Earth. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 4: Dance Among the Shadows|Dance Among the Shadows}} After the positron core had been destroyed however, [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] managed to bargain for peace with the Junkions and established the city of [[Little Cybertron]] for them to live in peace. {{storylink|New Cybertron End: Feel Safe Without Regrets|Feel Safe Without Regrets}}

Some Junkions later got jobs at an Ore-13 mine in Kentucky where one of the workers expressed surprise at how much the humans were being paid while Rum-Maj dismayed that they were now at the mercy of the Autobots and humans. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}}

When [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] began its apocalyptic attack on the [[Cybertronian colonies]], Rum-Maj found recent events to be creating very disturbing historical parallels and rallied the Sharkticons to make another attempt at conquering Earth. When the army arrived at [[Mount Rushmore]] however, [[Jazz (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Jazz]] managed to have everyone stand down before Unicron then appeared over Earth. {{storylink|Time Will Rust}} In the battle against the Chaos Bringer, the Junkions defended the [[White House]], unleashing the Sharkticons on the [[Maximal]]s who'd survived [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s [[Worldsweeper]] crashing into the building. {{storylink|Ceremony}}

In the new era, the Junkions returned to Little Cybertron, Wreck-Gar and Rum-Maj watching the Sharkticons dig graves for all those that had fallen. {{storylink|Post}}

===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] opined that [[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]] was "buggier than a Junkion's code-base". {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The AllSpark Almanac}}

===Aligned novels===
Early on in the [[space bridge]] colonization project, Cybertronian colonists used the world of Junkion as a collective dumping ground for the vast amounts of refuse that inevitably resulted from the push outwards. This same planetoid was later used as a hideout for Cybertronian criminals, pirates, and outlaws. Many of them created new identities for themselves and began new lives working on the planet. The space bridge project eventually failed, leaving Junkion isolated from the rest of the universe. With no new resources available, the inhabitants turned to scavenging to survive. As they created new bots from the junk around them, the few former Cybertronians gradually forgot about their origins and took on the name "Junkions". At the time of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]]'s search for the [[AllSpark]], their leader was the eccentric [[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]].

The Junkions were initially skeptical of Optimus Prime's quest, but eventually aided him and his [[Autobot]]s by directing them to the nearest working space bridge. However, the [[Decepticon]]s, who had been following the ''[[Ark (WFC)|Ark]]'', landed on the planet and launched an attack on both the Autobots and Junkions. During the course of the battle, the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]], the center of Junkion, was removed, causing the planet to break apart. The fracas was further compounded by the arrival of the [[Star Seeker]]s, who took the Junkions hostage and, despite Wreck-Gar's protests, forced them to weld a space bridge to the hull of the ''[[Tidal Wave (Prime)|Tidal Wave]]''. The Star Seekers and Junkions disappeared to places unknown. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

The [[Trypticon (WFC)|''Nemesis'']] eventually crossed paths with the Star Seekers who'd forced Wreck-Gar to emit a phoney Autobot distress call. Though the Star Seekers tried to destroy the ''Nemesis'', it proved a superior warship to the ''Tidal Wave'', in spite of the Requiem Blaster which it was eventually forced to eject. As the wounded pirate ship retreated, Wreck-Gar used the chaos to space bridge away. {{storylink|Transformers: Retribution|Retribution}}

===''Shattered Glass''===
[[File:ScrapIronSG-filecardart.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|"You belong to us. You shall be like us."]]
The Junkions were the minions of [[Wreck-Gar (SG)|Wreck-Gar]], an experimental junk robot with the ability to remake other Transformers in his image using snake-like creatures. They spoke in the manner of computer error messages. After the spread of the Junkion "Hive" proved a threat to both factions, they were locked away on the prison planet [[Paradron]].

Eventually, they were freed by the Autobot renegade [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], who recruited them as footsoldiers for his incursion into the dimension [[Primax 207.0 Epsilon]]. There, they fought both Decepticons native from their own Universe, and local Autobots. {{storylink|Distant Fissures}} Numerous Autobots from that universe were assimilated into the Hive, and as Magnus's plan came to fruition, transporting the alternate Earth back to their own, negative-polarity universe and destroying 207.0 Epsilon in its wake, the Junkions retreated from battle. {{Storylink|Invasion (issue)|Invasion}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
When [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] became stranded on the planet Junk, he was forced to fight off Wreck-Gar and the hordes of cannibalistic Junkions until he could be rescued by [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. {{storylink|Wreckage (Legends)|Wreckage}}

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1-toy WreckGar.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Not sold in stores...anymore."]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Hero, 1986)
**''Takara ID number'': '''C-81'''
**''Accessories'': "Decelerator laser" gun, "Armor Axe", tire/shield

: The only Junkion toy originally produced was the group's leader, [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Toys|Wreck-Gar]], sold as part of the two-bot "Heroes" assortment in the third year of the Hasbro line. This toy is noteworthy for being one of the earliest uses of ball-and-socket joints in the entire franchise. Unfortunately, he completely lacks his cartoon model's sweet facial "hair". Also unfortunately, a robot-mode Wreck-Gar toy cannot properly ride a motorcycle-mode Wreck-Gar, unlike the action depicted in the movie. Sigh.
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===''Collector's Edition''===
[[File:G1-toy Detritus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Detritus''' (Junkion, 2004)
**''ID number'': '''77'''
**''Accessories'': Rifle, 12.7mm machinegun, missile launcher, 3 missiles, spare tire, spare tank

: [[Detritus (G1)#Toys|Detritus]] is an [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive redeco of [[Hound (G1)/toys#The Transformers|the original Hound toy]], transforming into a Mitsubishi J59 off-road vehicle. He came with an entirely new [[sticker|decal]] sheet to make him fit the Junkion aesthetic better, which also includes both Autobot and Decepticon faction sigils to match his neutral nature from his e-HOBBY bio.
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===''Transformers'' (2010)===
[[File:TF2010-toy WreckGar.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|This is the breakfast your Wreck-Gar could look like, can you see me now?]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories'': "4-bladed battle axe"/tailpipe

:Part of the sixth and final wave of Hasbro's [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]] under the "[[Transformers (2010 toyline)#Hasbro Reveal the Shield subline|Reveal the Shield]]" branding, this version of [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Wreck-Gar]] transforms into a junker off-road motorcycle. Double pegs under his pelvis correspond to double pegholes in his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] seat, meaning if you get more than one, he can totally ride himself, or anyone else made from this mold. Finally!

:Unfortunately, despite looking awesome, Wreck-Gar has a distressingly fiddly transformation and a slew of [[design flaw]]s. While the full details can be found on his page, even Hasbro has implemented some of the fixes found by fans for future uses of his mold.
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===''United''===
[[File:Unitedtoy-Scrapheap.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"I'm cuckoo for Cocoa Junk!"]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Deluxe, 2011)
**''ID number'': UN-18
**''Accessories'': "Battle axe"/tailpipe

: Part of the third wave of TakaraTomy's ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' line, [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#United|Wreck-Gar]] is a redeco of the Hasbro "Reveal the Shield" Wreck-Gar toy, this time extensively painted with a more original-cartoon-inspired deco. Like most toys in the line, some of his parts are painted with a metallic sheen; in Wreck-Gar's case, it's his red chest and legs.

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*'''Autobot SET''' (3-pack, 2011)
**'''Scrapheap'''

: This e-Hobby exclusive three-pack includes [[Scrapheap (G1)#Toys|Scrapheap]], a retool of the "Reveal the Shield"/''United'' Wreck-Gar with a new head inspired by the background Junkions from the movie.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/more-information-on-the-ehobby-transformers-2010-campaign-exclusives-170961/ More Information on the eHobby Transformers 2010 Campaign Exclusives]</ref>

: This pack also comes with a [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#United|clear-blue Hot Rod]] and a [[Kup (G1)/toys#UnitedDamage|battle-damaged Kup]].

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[[File:UEX-toy Roadmaster.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Roadmaster Prime Mode''' ([[2012]]-[[October 27|10-27]])
**''ID number'': '''EX 03'''
**''Accessories'': Junker Drone, Trasher Drone, Waster Drone, Scrapper Drone

: Part of the second wave of ''United EX'' toys, "[[Detritus (G1)#United EX|Roadmaster]]" (the new code name for Detritus) is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' [[Mudslinger (PCC)#Toys|Mudslinger]] toy, transforming into a monster truck of indeterminate model. He also has a "Prime Mode" where he becomes the torso of a super robot, capable of using any auto-transforming Power Core Combiner drone-machine molds for limbs.

: He comes with four color-coordinated "wasteland" vehicle drone-limbs, redecoes of the [[Destructicon (PCC)|Destructicon]]s. Each one has a square socket for a Power Core Combiner connection; when attached via the blue plugs on a Commander figure, the vehicles automatically transform into a super-robot limb, and snaps back to [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] when disconnected. Despite the universal connector, each drone can only form one limb type (but can be swapped from left to right):

:*'''Junker Drone''' — Leg (Roadmaster's left)
:*'''Trasher Drone''' — Leg (Roadmaster's right)
:*'''Waster Drone''' — Arm (Roadmaster's left)
:*'''Scrapper Drone''' — Arm (Roadmaster's right)
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Gen-toy Junkheap.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"I'm a Pepper. Do you want to be a Pepper, too?"]]
*'''Junkheap''' (Deluxe Class, 2011)
**''Accessories'': Tailpipe/axe

: Part of the ninth and final wave of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Deluxes in 2011, [[Junkyard (G1)#Toys|Junkheap]] is a retool of "Reveal the Shield" Wreck-Gar with a ''different'' new head. This is also the first use of the mold that features many attempts to improve upon the [[design flaw]]s found in previous iterations.
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===''Timelines''===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-BC2012WreckGar.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Wreck-Gar / Scrap Iron / Junkheap''' (Convention multipack, 2012)

: Available at [[BotCon 2012]] in an at-convention-only three, pack, ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Wreck-Gar (SG)#Toys|Wreck-Gar]], [[Scrap Iron (SG)#Toys|Scrap Iron]] and [[Junkheap (SG)#Toys|Junkheap]] are redecoes of the "Reveal the Shield" Junkion mold, this time in [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] colors to reflect the twisted nature of the universe.

: This is also the first release of a Junkheap using the right eye insert, as the original Junkheap used Scrapheap's eyepiece instead of his own.
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===''Combiner Wars''===
[[File:CW-toy WreckGar.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Legends Class, 2016)

:The only new item in the sixth and final wave of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]] [[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Legends-class toys, Wreck-Gar is a [[retool]]ing of [[Groove (G1)#Generations|Groove]], sporting a brand new noggin. He transforms into a motorcycle of made-up model.

: He can also convert into chest armor for [[Defensor (G1)#Generations|Defensor]] and other iterations of the ''Combiner Wars'' [[Hot Spot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Hot Spot]] mold.
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===''Platinum Edition''===
[[File:Gen-toy Scrapheap Platinum.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Planet of Junk Clash''' (Platinum Edition Deluxe 3-pack, 2016)

:Part of Hasbro's ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' offerings for 2016 intended to commemorate the 30th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', this three-pack includes new-deco versions of the "Reveal the Shield" mold [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Platinum Edition|Wreck-Gar]] and [[Scrapheap (G1)#Generations|Scrapheap]], as well as a new-deco version of [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Platinum Edition|Autobot Hot Rod]]. Wreck-Gar and Scrapheap have near-identical decoes, with their yellow and bronze paints vice-versa-ing between the two.

: This set was intended as a [[Target]] exclusive in the US, but was effectively an online-only item.
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===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:POTP-toy WreckGar.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Deluxe Class, 2018)
**''TakaraTomy ID number:'' '''PP-41'''
**''Accessories'': Axe/tailpipe, Prime Armor/combiner hand, Prime Master gap filler/gun

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Power of the Primes|Wreck-Gar]] is a retool of ''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' [[Groove (G1)#Unite Warriors 2|Groove]], transforming into a motorcycle of indeterminate model. Wreck-Gar can also change into a limb for any ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]''-style combiner.

:He was first discovered in a listing in [[Walgreens]]' internal systems during the course of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' as a Walgreens exclusive. Wreck-Gar was exclusive to Walgreens in the U.S. but found at EB Games in Canada and general retail in Hasbro's Asian markets.
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===''Studio Series''===
[[File:TF-Studio-Series-86-09-Voyager-Wreck-Gar.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I have a dream. I believe, one day, that everyone, everywhere.... will know the wonders of my nipples!]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Voyager Class, [[2021]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''86-09'''
**''Accessories'': 2 wheel shields, four-bladed axe, "[[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] Dance Party" backdrop

:Released to commemorate the 35th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', ''[[Studio Series]]'' Wreck-Gar is a Voyager Class-sized mold accurate to his appearance in the Generation 1 cartoon, right down to his laser nipples.

:He comes with his two spiky shields, which can attach to his arm or leg in robot mode or form his wheels when converting to his motorcycle mode. Wreck-Gar also comes with his four-bladed axe, which can either be stored on his back or held in his hand. Much like the [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers (2010)|2010 ''Reveal the Shield'']] release, one figure of Wreck-Gar can ride another in their alternate mode.

:Like the other ''Studio Series'' toys, the interior of the package forms a display background for the toy. In this case, is it a dance party taking place on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]].
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[[File:TF-Studio-Series-86-14-Deluxe-Junkyard.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|With arm pieces acquired directly from his namesake!]]
*'''Junkheap''' (Voyager Class, [[2022]])
**''Movie'': '''''The Transformers: The Movie'''''
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''86-14'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''SS-88'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': [[August 27]], [[2022]]
**''Accessories'': Front wheel shield (wide), back wheel shield (thin), four-bladed axe, "[[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] Dance Party" backdrop

: Released to commemorate the 35th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', ''[[Studio Series]]'' "Junkheap" is a heavy retool of Voyager Class [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Studio Series|Wreck-Gar]], replacing the head, upper chest, and lower arms from the original release. Sadly, no nipples. It's worth mentioning that the retooled arm piece (included to compromise between animation models) adds a rotatable wheel guard piece, thus giving Junkheap's bike mode a more complete-looking footrest than Wreck-Gar's.

: Junkheap comes with the same two spiky shields as Wreck-Gar, which can attach to ports on his forearms or the sides of his knees in robot mode or form his wheels when in motorcycle mode. Junkheap also comes with Wreck-Gar's four-bladed axe, which can either be stored on his back or held in his hand. Much like the above ''Generations'' release, one Junkheap can ride another Junkheap/Wreck-Gar's alternate mode, although the riding figure is somewhat out of scale compared to the motorcycle-mode figure, which is more [[:File:TF-Studio-Series-86-Hot-Rod-riding-Wreck-Gar.jpg|suited towards Deluxe-scale figures]] such as [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Studio Series|''Studio Series'' Hot Rod]]. While his wheels are capable of spinning, the studs on them mean that they are more likely to scrape if pushed along a hard surface so care should be taken to avoid scratching the figure.

: Junkheap's arm shields are based on the unfinalized model drawn by [[Floro Dery]], which appeared in season 3 of the Generation 1 cartoon. The rest of him appears to be a mix between the finalized [[Toei Animation|Toei]] model and the unfinalized Dery model.

: Unfortunately, due to trademark reasons, the character has again been released as "Junkheap".

: Like all other ''Studio Series'' toys, the interior of the package forms a display backdrop.
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===''Legacy''===
{{anchor|Legacy}}
[[File:TF Legacy Deluxe Class Scraphook.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| ''Legacy'' Scraphook]]
:Deluxe Junkions were released in the subline imprint ''[[Transformers: Legacy#Evolution .282023.29|Legacy: Evolution]]'', representing all-new characters. Their [[Evo-Fusion]] function is analogous to the Weaponizer gimmick from the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' toylines; their bodies split apart to form armor and weapon enhancements for their allies. In addition, the Junkions are also advertised swapping parts with each other in vehicle mode. Unlike previous figures of this nature however, the Junkion Weaponizers do not transform via partsforming.
*'''[[Scraphook#Toys|Scraphook]]''' (Deluxe Class, [[2023]])
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TL-30'''
**''Accessories'': Tow-arm, tow hook, left & right exhaust pipes, wheel shield, 2 engine-blower "dual phaser blasters"
: Part of the first wave of Deluxes in ''Legacy: Evolution'', Scraphook transforms into a junky, post-apocalyptic tow truck. His limbs are removable and are connected via 5 mm ports at the knees and shoulders.
*'''[[Crashbar#Toys|Crashbar]]''' (Deluxe Class, 2023)
**''Accessories'': 2 saddle bag/gravity cannons, 2 exhaust pipe/clubs, back tire/sawblade
: Part of the second wave of Deluxes in ''Legacy: Evolution'', Crashbar transforms into a junky, post-apocalyptic motorcycle. His lower limbs are removable and are connected via 5 mm ports at the knees.
*'''[[Axlegrease#toys|Axlegrease]]''' (Deluxe Class, 2023)
**''Accessories'': Engine block/ blasters, exhaust pipes, thrusters, hook
: Part of the third wave of Deluxes in ''Legacy: Evolution'', Axlegrease is a retool of Scraphook and transforms into a junky, post-apocalyptic muscle car. Her limbs are removable and are connected via 5 mm ports at the knees and shoulders.

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==Notes==
[[File:Dreadnokcyborgs2.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Spiked tires make for a very un-smooth ride.]]
*According to a [[Secret Files of Teletraan II|secret file on Autobots]], the Junkions are a "tribe of Autobots that dwells on the planet Junkion", ostensibly cementing their place as Transformers.
*In ''[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #3]]'', the [[Dreadnok]]s, a [[Cobra]] biker gang, are shown to ride motorcycles that look just like the Junkions. The Dreadnoks claim to have found their new bikes in a junkyard at some point. No indication is given that the bikes are living Transformers, leaving it simply an [[Easter egg]] for the reader.
*The Junkions that appeared in the movie and their ship were given names in the ''[[Transformers: The Complete Ark]]'' book, which was released 23 years after the movie.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Junkion''' (ジャンキオン ''Jankion'')
*''French:'' '''Clocharion''' (France, from "Clochard", "Tramp")
*''Russian:'' '''Musorshchiki''' (Мусорщики, "Scavengers")
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==References==
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The Gambler

2023-04-20T21:14:39Z

Levyshahar: /* Real-world references */ corrected the Hebrew part, as a native speaker (it doesn't mean "the grave")

{{episode
|image=Lordgyconireclines.jpg
|caption=You may have been a good smuggler once, but now you're bantha fodder!
|series=G1toon
|ep=47
|series2=SRLFtoon
|ep2=36
|prev2=The Secret of Omega Supreme (episode)
|next2=The Girl Who Loved Powerglide
|title="The Gambler"
|season=2
|season ep=31
|written by=[[Michael Charles Hill]]
|production code=700-46
|airdate=[[November 11]], 1985
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[Toei Animation|Toei]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
|video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTNQz3vJ9WY
|videosite=YouTube
}}

'''On the return journey from Aron's world, the Autobots are captured by a gambling-addicted alien and traded away, leaving Smokescreen and the Autobot bounty hunter Devcon to rescue them.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Gamblerautosintubes.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Every gambler knows that the secret to survivin' is knowin' what to throw away and knowin' what to keep.]]
The Autobots are returning to earth after their adventure on [[Aron]]'s [[Brobdingnag|world]], when their "toy rocket" space ship suddenly comes to a halt. They are captured by an alien captain named [[Bosch]]. Bosch deactivates them and intends to sell the Autobots as slaves in exchange for energon. However, [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]]'s tube malfunctions and he remains functional, though temporarily immobilized.

Smokescreen learns that Bosch is a gambler. After demonstrating his ability to manipulate a slot machine, he takes Bosch's proposition to go to [[Monacus]], a gambling asteroid, and win enough energon to repower Bosch's ship in exchange for the freedom of the rest of the Autobots.

Bosch and Smokescreen end up at the "Pit of Destruction" arena of [[Gyconi|Lord Gyconi]], a local swindler, where they use the Autobots as collateral for a very high-interest loan of energon chips. At a casino, Smokescreen builds up quite a stack of winnings and lets it all ride on one last bet, but one of the casino workers breaks his link with a slot machine and he loses everything. Unable to buy back his friends, Smokescreen vows that Gyconi hasn't seen the last of him.

[[File:Gamblersmokescreenbets.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|You never count your money when you're sittin' at the table. There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealin's done.]]

Meanwhile, [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] arrive on the planet in [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and head towards the city. They are followed by a mysterious blue Autobot.

In a local tavern, Smokescreen meets the mysterious Autobot, who introduces himself as [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]]; he's a bounty hunter searching for Decepticons.

[[File:Gamblerdevconslizardo.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|For a taste of your whiskey, I'll give you some advice.]]

In Gyconi's lair, Ramjet and Dirge shake down the big green frogman for a share of his profits. He invites the two Decepticon planes to stay and watch the upcoming battle in his arena: the Autobots versus the Animaliens. Before the show, Gyconi fixes the fight by giving the Autobots unstable energon which will wear off and make them defenseless.

The fight begins as [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]], under Gyconi's control, takes on an ugly red lizard animalien. At first the Autobot leader holds his own, prompting a lot of patrons to bet on him, but then his power runs out and he's overcome. [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] is forced into the arena for the next match, but before it starts, Smokescreen fills the place with smoke and forces everyone out. Ramjet and Dirge chase him down, but he's saved by Devcon.

[[File:Gambleranimalianfight.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|The best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep.]]

Gyconi and the Decepticons load up Astrotrain with energon cubes in order to make a getaway, but Smokescreen, Devcon and Bosch confront them. During a fierce firefight, Smokescreen uses his smoke again to confuse the Decepticons. They take off aboard Astrotrain and Devcon chases after them, taking Slizardo with him as a partner.

The Autobots are returned to normal and Bosch offers to take them back to earth, but only after a quick stop at casino row.

{{-}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Perceptor (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Perceptor]] (1)
* [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] (2)
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (3)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (4)
* [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] (5)
* [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]] (14)
|c2=
* [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (11)
* [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (12)
* [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (13)
|c4=
* [[Bosch]] (6)
* Monacan loan shark (7)
* [[Animalien]] (8)
* [[Slizardo]] (9)
* [[Gyconi]] (10)
}}

==Quotes==
[[File:Gambler Bosch.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|"Oh dear!" said the cat, "You did not like our game... oh dear, what a shame!
What a shame!"]]
"Arrrgh! I can't even beat my own machine anymore, and I had it fixed so I could cheat!"
:—'''Bosch''' has a stroke of bad luck.

"The name is Smokescreen, and I never walk when I can drive."
:—'''Smokescreen'''

'''Dirge:''' "We've been hearing ''stories'', Gyconi, ''stories'' that make Megatron very unhappy." 
'''Gyconi:''' "Stories?! What kind of... stories?" 
'''Ramjet:''' "That you have been skimming energon off the top." 
'''Gyconi:''' "LIES!" 
:—the Coneheads play enforcer on Lord Gyconi

"Ladies and gentlemen! Tonight for the first time anywhere in the galaxies, you will witness the pugilistic spectacle of the millennium!"
:—'''Lord Gyconi''' talks up his gladiator show.

"What ''were'' those things?" 
"Decepticons. They are enemies of the Autobots." 
"They shouldn't be allowed to run loose like that!"
:—'''Bosch''' and '''Smokescreen'''

"Now, prepare to meet my friend... [[Ionic displacer rifle|Mr. Ionic Displacer!]]"
:—'''Astrotrain'''

==Notes==
===Production information===
* First draft script submitted: 17th May 1985

===Continuity notes===
[[File:Gambler Slizardo.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Not my eye! Artoo, help!]]
* This episode follows the events of "[[Child's Play (episode)|Child's Play]]".
* Back in the pilot, energon cubes were suggested to be a recent creation of the Decepticons on Earth, and have almost exclusively been used by them up to this point. This episode may be the first to suggest the substance is used by non-Cybertronians.
* This episode introduces the rather curious notion that Megatron is somehow involved in the galactic gambling trade, sending his thugs to make sure Gyconi isn't taking a cut for himself on the side. "[[Sea Change]]" will likewise show that Megatron's interests extend well beyond Earth and Cybertron; the exploratory trip at the beginning of "[[Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust]]" also fits this pattern.
*Slizardo would eventually return in the season 3 episode "[[Grimlock's New Brain]]" alongside the [[Skuxxoid]].
*Devcon would later be featured in the [[Transformers: The Wreckers|''Wreckers'' comic]].
*Devcon swears by "Great Cybertron".
*Gyconi charges the Autobots with "unstable energon" that they quickly burn through.
*Ramjet is not familiar with Devcon, but Dirge is.
*Astrotrain refers to his ionic displacer rifle by that name.
* When Optimus gives the order to roll out, Perceptor transforms into giant microscope mode [[Child's Play (episode)|again]], though we don't actually see him rolling on-screen.
* Gadgets and powers:
** Smokescreen can deploy a cable from his wrist which lets him control machinery to some unknown extent - enough to make a slot machine come up as a winner, at least.

===Real-world references===
[[File:Monacus.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|You will never find a more wretched hive of -- wait, this part's not a reference.]]
[[File:TheGambler alien audience.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|They're going to execute Optimus Prime, and if we're not careful, us too!]]
[[File:Smokescreen gambler 4.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Utinni!]]
*Inferno disparagingly refers to Perceptor as {{w|Don Herbert|Mr. Wizard}}.
*{{w|Sheol}}, the name of Lord Gyconi's part of town, is a Hebrew word that can be used as a synonym or euphemism for Hell.
*When an alien turns down Bosch's offer of the Autobots as collateral, saying he's "got robots up to [his] eyeballs", he advises Bosch to go see someone named Asimov in the Tet Quadrant. {{w|Isaac Asimov}} was a science-fiction writer known for his stories about robots (duh).
*Monacus is named for the real-world sovereign state of Monaco, famous for its casino.
* Bosch shares his name with a {{w|Robert Bosch GmbH|multinational corporation}} known for making, among other things, automotive components. They were one of the sponsors of Don Devendorf's Electramotive Racing 280ZX, which was the inspiration for Smokescreen's alt mode. Coincidence?
* Astrotrain's line about his gun is cribbed from Al Pacino's famous "Say hello to my little friend!" from the end of ''Scarface''.
* ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' sound effects:
** Clashing and sparking [[lightsaber]]s as the energy draining tubes rise up around the Autobots.
** Lightsaber-reflecting-Seeker-bolts as Bosch activates the tubes.
** ''[[Millennium Falcon]]'' engine burst as Dirge and Ramjet take off after Smokescreen.
*Speaking of, this episode's got a real ''Return of the Jedi'' fetish going on:
** The Animalians are pretty flagrantly a ripoff of the [[wikia:starwars:Rancor|Rancor]].
** The lavender-colored aliens in Gyconi's audience are based on the alien [[wikia:starwars:Ree-Yees|Ree-Yees]].
** There's a [[wikia:starwars:Jawa|Jawa]] doppelganger at the casino, a hooded guy with glowing yellow eyes set in an otherwise totally obscured face.
** And of course there's a prominently featured [[wikia:starwars:Jabba Desilijic Tiure|slug-like overweight alien crime lord]] who likes throwing victims into his monster pit, with an [[wikia:starwars:Salacious B. Crumb|excitable, jabbering lizard-like creature who speaks in garbled nonsense]] at his side.

===Animation and technical errors===
* Coloring errors:
** When Perceptor stands up to address the rocket's issues, the dial on his lens cannon is red instead of white.
** In the first shot of the Autobots inside the tubes, Perceptor's chest is all red, with none of its white bits.
** When Smokescreen's tube breaks, his chest and legs are black where they should be red.
** "WE could clean up" - one of Smokescreen's eyes changes from blue to white as he delivers this line.
** Smokescreen's chest is all blue when they are next seen in Gyconi's office.
** When Smokescreen transforms after nearly running down Slizardo, his headcrest is white, the sides of his legs are gray instead of blue/red, and his leg-windows are red.

* As the Autobots walk into the lab, Prime's grill is missing its horizontal lines, Smokescreen's door and right arm are missing, and Perceptor's lens cannon is missing.
* An overhead shot shows the Autobots in a cluster. When they're inside the tubes (which rose up around them where they stood), they're side by side in a line.
* Smokescreen's waist is HUGE as he has his gun taken away while paralyzed. The same goofy proportions recur a few more times, such as when he leaves Gyconi's office the second time.
* "You Lose" is lit up in pink in the close-up shot, but in blue in the wider shot.
* As Smokescreen stands in front of the slot machine after playing it, his waist has a line on one side without a mirrored counterpart on the other side.
[[File:Smokescreen.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|"See? All out of Kenny Rogers jokes."]]
* Smokescreen's wrist widget only appears when he's specifically showing it off; in all other shots of that wrist, it's missing.
*The animation of the tubes opening to release the brainwashed Autobots is just the shot of them closing played backwards — unfortunately this means that Smokescreen appears to be in one of the tubes when he shouldn't be.
* Smokescreen's forehead crest is blue instead of yellow as he exits Bosch's shuttle.
** And again as Bosch explains to Slizardo that they've come on business.
** And again as Smokescreen accepts Lord Gyconi's offer.
** And again as he reacts in anger to the 1-hour deadline.
** And again as he introduces himself to Devcon.
** And again after he and Bosch have left the arena fight.
** And (holy ''crap'') ''again'' as Bosch translates Slizardo's message about Astrotrain.
** And OMG AGAIN as Smokescreen and Devcon shelter behind a rock.
** AND AGAIN as Smokescreen stands up for Bosch. (same shot - Perceptor's cannon is black instead of red.)
* Smokescreen's door-wings are missing as he first walks into the arena stands.
*As the Autobots are returned to their original size, shouldn't the container they were in shatter? There's no breaking sound effect. Also, Inferno's head-guard thing, and Perceptor's cannon, are both black instead of red.
* "We have more energon chips than we'll ever need!" - said energon chips are not lit up to glow, appearing black instead.
** Several stray chips are likewise not lit up as Smokescreen bets it all.
** As the smoke fills the arena and patrons grab at a pile of energon chips, the bulk of the chips appear black.
** More black energon cubes as the Autobots start loading Astrotrain up. In the same shot, Astrotrain has a huge yellow panel that's not usually there.
* The lowering platform in Gyconi's room is left unanimated, making the Autobots appear to vanish directly into a paving stone.
* The bouncers roughing up Slizardo change in each shot they appear in. First they appear as white and red robots with ear antennas, then moments later they're purple robots with WWI German style helmets, then as they fall past Smokescreen, the animators split the difference, with one being the purple type and one being the white and red type.
* When Devcon tells Slizardo to get away from him, the latter then crawls away and he is seen crawling on the wall.
* Devcon's head-gun is missing as he turns in response to Smokescreen's call.
* Dirge's cockpit is drawn flat - flush with his chassis - as he picks up the tickets from Gyconi's desk.
* When patrons grab energon chips out of Slizardo's hands, a number of chips are simply left hanging in mid-air in front of him.
* As Gyconi pushes the Autobots into Astrotrain, they stop moving forward; however, Optimus is still bobbing back and forth like he's walking.
*When Bosch advances on Gyconi, he walks forward, in front of Slizardo; but Slizardo's animation cell is still layered in front of him, resulting in him appearing much smaller than Bosch.
* As the Autobots prepare to depart for Casino Row, as soon as Inferno completes transformation to vehicle mode, Perceptor instantly appears alongside him in microscope mode.

===Continuity errors===
*In terms of airdates, this episode is ''definitely'' played out of order, as we've seen several of the characters that are still trying to escape from Aron's planet in "[[Child's Play (episode)|Child's Play]]" on Earth prior to this one.
* How did the Autobots manage to fill the toy rocket ship with giant computer consoles and such?
* At any point after the "temporary" paralyzing effects of Bosch's gun wears off, Smokescreen is given ample opportunities to simply force Bosch to free his friends. He is clearly more interested in this gambling trip than saving his friends... good thing for him that Prime was comatose when it all happened!
* Bosch says he's out of energon to run his ship, but he's still got enough power to shrink four Autobots, fly off to some asteroid, and unshrink the Autobots - seems like plenty of energy!
* Bosch is consistently shown to be about the same height as Smokescreen... yet somehow he rides inside Smokescreen's car mode.
* Both times Smokescreen shoots his smoke out, the Decepticons are shown coughing (even though, again, Transformers are robots and don't have real throats or lungs).
* In the closing scene, Bosch says he's restored his ship... but he's still on the asteroid, where he traveled by shuttle.

===Trivia===
[[File:Gambler Gyconi Ramjet and Dirge.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Ni Jabba no boddah!]]
* Michael Charles Hill originally wrote this story for ''[[gbwiki:Challenge of the GoBots (cartoon)|Challenge of the GoBots]]'', in what became the episode "[[gbwiki:Gameworld|Gameworld]]". But he disliked the interference and rewrites forced on him by story editors Jeff Segal and Kelly Ward and felt ''The Transformers'' was the perfect opportunity to get the story done right.<ref>http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/60-astrominutes/michael-charles-hill/michael-charles-hill-1.html</ref>
* This is one of the only two pre-movie episodes in which [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] does not appear, the other being "[[The God Gambit]]". Both have Astrotrain and two Seekers in them.
* Before the BotCon comic, the overwhelming majority of the fandom spelled Devcon's name Defcon, which is closer to the pronunciation given in the episode and has a real world meaning. Many in the fandom were up in arms about the spelling; however, the comic spelling is based on the original script and is now considered the "correct" spelling.

===Foreign localization===
'''French'''
:*''Title (European French broadcast and DVD release):'' "'''Les jeux du cirque'''" ("The Circus Games")
:*''Title (Canadian French broadcast):'' "'''Le joueur'''" ("The Gambler")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Italian'''
:*''Title (dub 1):'' "'''Il giocatore d'azzardo'''" ("The Gambler")
:*''Title (dub 2):'' "'''Il giocatore'''" ("The Player")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Gamble Wakusei Monacus'''" (ギャンブル惑星モナカス, "Monacus the Planet of Gambling")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[March 14]], [[1986]]

'''Mandarin'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Dǔgùn '''" (赌棍, "The Gambler")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Brazilian Portuguese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''O Jogador'''" ("The Player")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

===Toys inspired by this episode===
:*''[[Devcon (G1)#Toys]]''

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;{{w|LaserDisc}}
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1994 — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Convoy Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1998 — ''The Transformers'' — Autobot Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 1 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2: Vol. 5 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 3: Series 2.2 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of France.png|20px|France]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 11 ([[Déclic Images]]) — European French audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 05: Stagione Due Parte Terza ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season Two: Part Two (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''The Transformers'' — Season Two, Volume Two: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/season-2/synopses/700-46.html Episode Dossier at The Cybertron Chronicle]
*[https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vu7cMgfC7VVLzgrATL-joSoWpoEduPR4/view?usp=sharing Full episode script]
*[https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vVhTom6feew2ZMhf3Hw3-s_-vPDsw4Ar Episode dialogue script]

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[[Category:The Transformers episodes]]

War for Cybertron: Siege

2023-04-01T20:19:32Z

Levyshahar: /* General retail */

{{disambig3|Siege}}
{{nav-siege}}

[[File:WFC-Siege-Poster-ArkLaunchAutobots.jpg|thumb|250px|The stege begins.]]

'''''War for Cybertron: Siege''''' is a [[subline imprint]] of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' toyline, and the first portion of the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]''.

First revealed in mid-[[2018]] at [[San Diego Comic-Con]], ''War for Cybertron: Siege'', in keeping with the installments of the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy]]'', features a line-wide [[gimmick]]: weaponry. Most Deluxe, Voyager, and Leader Class figures each come with at least one or two weapons that can transform, combine, and/or be placed into any [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]] posts, [[5 mm post]]s littered all over their bodies, essentially an updated version of the [[Powerlinx]] system and Takara's previous [[Arms Micron]] play system. Another line-wide feature is battle-damaged paint jobs on Deluxe-and-up figures to fit with the gritty "war" aspect.

Returning to this toyline are [[Micromaster]]s, which are bundled in two packs, replacing the Legends Class of the last half-decade, and are now able to combine into large weapons as well as transform into their vehicle form. This size class is also used for Soundwave's minions, who can turn into cassettes or be used as a shield with fold-out pegs.

Replacing the [[Prime Master]]s from [[Power of the Primes (toyline)|the last toyline]] are "[[Battle Master]]s", small [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]-type figures that can combine with other weapons and figures. They include additional [[Fire Blast effect|"Fire Blast" effect pieces]] that can be placed onto other weapons included with other size classes, as well as hardpoints on the figures themselves to simulate being 'shot' or on the back of vehicles to simulate "rocket boosters" or "speed", depending on the effect part. Each effect part attaches via a 3 mm hole, or in most cases, 5 mm posts too.

Some Deluxe Class figures are classified as "Deluxe Weaponizers," which can be disassembled into multiple weapons to be used in the C.O.M.B.A.T. System. Leader Class figures are very similar to ''Power of the Primes'', in which smaller figures come with additional armor that can be added to vehicle mode or robot mode to increase their size to become the height of a Leader Class figure. This is likely due to robot mode [[scale]] playing a much larger role in this series than in the past, with characters sticking reasonably close to their relative heights in [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]].

The boxes of the figures have black-light revealed [[Alphabet#Generation 1 alphabets|cybertronian script]] on them which can be put into the "[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-ca/teletraan1 Found a hidden code?]" game on the ''Transformers'' website, which unlocks various images, stop-motion videos, and [[Source:Teletraan-1 Data Files|Teletraan-1 Data Files]].<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8jie0CnCJA Official Hasbro video showcasing the feature]</ref> They, along with the instructions and ''Siege'' webpage,<ref>[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/siege ''Siege'' webpge]</ref> also introduce a [[Cybertronian military insignia|military insignia system]] for the Autobots and Decepticons.

''Siege'' was followed by ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise]]'' in [[2020]], as well as a concurrently-available [[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)#NetflixToyline|''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' toyline]] based on the [[Netflix]] show of the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|same name]].

==Toys==
===General retail===
====Battle Masters====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S1 [[Firebolt (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Firedrive]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S2 [[Lionizer (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Lionizer]]}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S3 [[Blowpipe (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Blowpipe]]}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S16 [[Pteraxadon#War for Cybertron: Siege|Pteraxadon]]}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S17 [[Aimless#War for Cybertron: Siege|Aimless]]}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S30 [[Caliburst (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Caliburst]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S31 [[Smashdown#War for Cybertron: Siege|Smashdown]]}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S44 [[Singe#War for Cybertron: Siege|Singe]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S45 [[Rung (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Rung]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:War-for-Cybertron-Siege-Battle-Master-Lionizer.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Battle Master Lionizer]]
|}

====Micromasters====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S4 [[Roadhandler (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Roadhandler]] & [[Swindler#War for Cybertron: Siege|Swindler]] ([[Race Car Patrol#War for Cybertron: Siege|Race Car Patrol]])}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S5 [[Storm Cloud (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Storm Cloud]] & [[Whisper (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Visper]] ([[Air Strike Patrol#War for Cybertron: Siege|Air Strike Patrol]])}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S6 [[Big Shot#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Topshot]] & [[Flak (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Flak]] ([[Battle Patrol#War for Cybertron: Siege|Battle Patrol]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S18 [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Laserbeak]] & [[Ravage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ravage]] ([[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|Soundwave Spy Patrol]])}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S19 [[Red Hot#War for Cybertron: Siege|Red Heat]] & [[Stakeout (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Stakeout]] ([[Rescue Patrol (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Rescue Patrol]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S32 [[Blackjack (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Decepticon Blackjack]] & [[Hyperdrive (Micromaster)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Hyperdrive]] ([[Sports Car Patrol#War for Cybertron: Siege|Sports Car Patrol]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S33 [[Powertrain#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Powertrain]] & [[Highjump (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Highjump]] ([[Off Road Patrol#War for Cybertron: Siege|Off Road Patrol]])}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:War-for-Cybertron-Siege-Micro-Master-Battle-Patrol.jpg|thumb|300px|Micromasters Topshot and Flak]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S46 [[Rumble (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Decepticon Rumble]] & [[Ratbat (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ratbat]] (Soundwave Spy Patrol 2nd Unit)}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S47 [[Direct-Hit#War for Cybertron: Siege|Direct-Hit]] & [[Power Punch#War for Cybertron: Siege|Power Punch]] ([[Battle Squad#War for Cybertron: Siege|Battle Squad]])}}
</ul>

|}

====Deluxe Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S7 [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Sideswipe]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S8 [[Cog (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Cog]] (Weaponizer)}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S9 [[Hound (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Hound]]}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S10 [[Flywheels#War for Cybertron: Siege|Skytread]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S20 [[Chromia (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Chromia]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S21 [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ironhide]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S22 [[Six-Gun#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Sixgun]] (Weaponizer)}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S23 [[Prowl (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Prowl]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S35 [[Red Alert (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Red Alert]]}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S36 [[Reflector (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Refraktor]]}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S37 [[Brunt (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Brunt]] (Weaponizer)}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S41 [[Barricade (IDW)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Barricade]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S42 [[Impactor (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Impactor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S43 [[Mirage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Mirage]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:War-for-Cybertron-Siege-Deluxe-Cog.jpg|thumb|300px|Deluxe Class Weaponizer Cog]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S48 [[Spinister (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Spinister]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S49 [[Crosshairs (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Crosshairs]]}}
</ul>
|}

====Voyager Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S11 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S12 [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Megatron]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S24 [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S25 [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Soundwave]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S38 [[Springer (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Springer]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S39 [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Thundercracker]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:WFCS-Voyager-Soundwave.jpg|thumb|300px|Cassette player inferior, t-posing superior.]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S50 [[Apeface#War for Cybertron: Siege|Apeface]]}}
</ul>
|}

====Leader Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S13 [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ultra Magnus]]}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S14 [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Decepticon Shockwave]]}}
</ul>
|
|witrh="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S40 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#S40|Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S51 [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Astrotrain]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:WFCS-Leader-Shockwave.jpg|thumb|250px|Having a [[General Grievous]] mode is only logical.]]
|}

====Commander Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[2019]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S28 [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Jetfire]]}}
</ul>
|[[File:WFC-Siege-WFCS28-Commander-Jetfire.jpg|thumb|300px|Commander Class <s>Skyfire</s> Jetfire]]
|}

====Titan Class====
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''2019'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S29 [[Omega Supreme (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Omega Supreme]] (w/ [[Countdown (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Countdown]])}}
</ul>
|[[File:WFC-Siege-WFCS29-Titan-Omega-Supreme.jpg|thumb|300px|Titan Class Omega Supreme]]
|}

===Exclusives===
====Store exclusives====
Please note that the exclusivity listed below (except for Amazon) only applies to the United States. Other international markets got these items through other venues, either as general retail releases or as exclusives to other stores and chains. In celebration of the 35th anniversary of ''Transformers'', the "35th Anniversary" branding on unique red boxes was used on select toys, which were exclusives to Walmart in the United States.

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Amazon]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S15 [[Greenlight#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Greenlight]] & [[Dazzlestrike#War for Cybertron: Siege|Dazzlestrike]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''''Final Strike Figure Series'' (Amazon)'''
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S26 [[Firestormer#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Alphastrike Counterforce]]}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Sideswipe (IDW)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Covert Clone Sideswipe]]}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Slamdance (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Slamdance]]}}
:{{Bp-a1|[[Trenchfoot#War for Cybertron: Siege|Trenchfoot]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S27 Decepticon [[Phantomstrike Squadron]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Fracas#War for Cybertron: Siege|Decepticon Fracas]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Hairsplitter#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shrute]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Skywarp (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Skywarp]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Terror-Daxtyl#War for Cybertron: Siege|Terror-Daxtyl]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Walgreens]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S34 [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Ratchet]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:WFC-Siege-Final-Strike-Figure-Series-artwork.jpg|thumb|250px|"Final Strike Figure Series" artwork]][[File:Siege35th-WFC-S63-Voyager-Soundblaster.jpg|thumb|250px|"35th Anniversary" Soundblaster]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[Target]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1d1|Autobots vs. Decepticons (Micromaster 10-pack)}}
:{{Bp-a1|WFC-S58 [[Road Police#War for Cybertron: Siege|Road-Police]] & [[Wheel Blaze#War for Cybertron: Siege|Wheel Blaze]]}}
:{{Bp-a1|WFC-S59 [[Groundshaker (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ground Shaker]] & [[Overair (Micromaster)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Overair]]}}
:{{Bp-a1|WFC-S60 [[Ricon#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ricon]] & [[Ironworks (Micromaster)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Irontread]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|WFC-S61 [[Nightflight (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Nightflight]] & [[Skyhopper#War for Cybertron: Siege|Slyhopper]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|WFC-S62 [[Cratermaker#War for Cybertron: Siege|Cratermaker]] & [[Fireline#War for Cybertron: Siege|Fireline]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''35th Anniversary ([[Walmart]])'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S63 [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#S63|Soundblaster]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S64 [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Bluestreak]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-S65 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#S65|Classic Animation Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-S66 [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#S66|Classic Animation Megatron]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Shared exclusive'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Reflector (G1)#3pack|Refraktor Reconnaissance Team 3-Pack]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Spectro#3pack|Spectro]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Spyglass#3pack|Spyglass]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Viewfinder#3pack|Viewfinder]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Kremzeek#War for Cybertron: Siege|Kremzeek]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
{{Bp-d1|[[Rainmaker#War for Cybertron: Siege|Seekers 3-Pack]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|WFC-S52 [[Acid Storm (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Seeker Acid Storm]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|WFC-S53 [[Ion Storm#War for Cybertron: Siege|Seeker Ion Storm]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|WFC-S54 [[Nova Storm (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Seeker Nova Storm]]}}
{{Bp-a1d1|[[Fan polls|Fan Vote]] Battle 3-Pack}}
:{{Bp-a1|WFC-S55 [[Mirage (G1)/toys#S55|Holo Mirage]]}}
:{{Bp-a1|WFC-S56 [[Aragon#War for Cybertron: Siege|Powerdasher Aragon]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|WFC-S57 [[Impactor (G1)#S56|Decepticon Impactor]]}}
</ul>
|}

====''Generations Selects''====
Following in the footsteps of [[Arcee (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Arcee]], [[Grotusque#Titans Return|Grotusque]], and the three ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy]]'' "Special Edition" figures in 2018, Hasbro debuted a special edition ''[[Generations Selects (toyline)|Selects]]'' deco of Voyager Class Megatron at [[Toy Fair 2019]] to celebrate the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''. Announced at New York [[Toy Fair 2019]], Combat Megatron was exclusively available in the United States via online retailers such as [[BigBadToyStore]], [[Entertainment Earth]], [[Hasbro Toy Shop]]'s [[eBay]], and Hasbro's new replacement for the Hasbro Toy Shop site, [[Hasbro Pulse]]. This was the first in a line of redecos catering to fans.
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Shared exclusives'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d2|WFC-GS01 [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#Generations Selects|Combat Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-GS03 [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Generations Selects|Galactic Man Shockwave]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-GS04 [[Cromar#Generations Selects|Powerdasher Cromar]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-GS05 [[Lancer#Generations Selects|Autobot Lancer]]}}
|
|width="20%" valign="top"| 
{{Bp-a1|WFC-GS06 [[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Generations Selects|Smokescreen]]}}
{{Bp-d1|WFC-GS07 [[Nightbird (G1)#Generations Selects|Nightbird]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-GS08 [[Zetar (G1)#Generations Selects|Powerdasher Zetar]]}}
{{Bp-a1|WFC-GS09 [[Hot Shot (G1)#Generations Selects|Hot Shot]]}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Target / Shared exclusives'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|WFC-GS02 [[Red Wing#Generations Selects|Decepticon Red Wing]]}}
</ul>
|[[File:Selects-Voyager-CombatMegatron.jpg|thumb|250px|Voyager Class Combat Megatron]]
|-
|}

==''Siege'' (TakaraTomy)==
[[File:WFC-Siege-Japanese-logo.png|center|250px]]
===General retail===
Like ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (toyline)|The Last Knight]]'', ''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'', and ''[[Studio Series]]'', [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''Transformers Siege'' (トランスフォーマーシージ) toyline sees their new "brand unification" strategy in full effect. As such, Takara ''Siege'' toys are completely identical to their [[Hasbro]] counterparts, just released in different waves and given new "ID" numbers. Bizarrely, the official [[stock photography|stock photos]] for several figures, such as Brunt, depict them in slightly different colors, but the final toys are virtually indistingushable from the Hasbro versions.

{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 1''' ([[February 23|Feb 23]], [[2019]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|SG-01 [[Firebolt (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Firedrive]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-02 [[Lionizer (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Lionizer]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-03 [[Roadhandler (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Roadhandler]] & [[Swindler#War for Cybertron: Siege|Swindler]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-04 [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Sideswipe]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-05 [[Cog (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Cog]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-06 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-07 [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ultra Magnus]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 2''' ([[March 30|Mar 30]], 2019)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|SG-08 [[Blowpipe (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Blowpipe]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-09 [[Big Shot#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Topshot]] & [[Flak (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Flak]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-10 [[Storm Cloud (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Storm Cloud]] & [[Whisper (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Visper]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-11 [[Flywheels#War for Cybertron: Siege|Skytread]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-12 [[Hound (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Hound]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-13 [[Megatron (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-14 [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shockwave]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 3''' ([[April 27|Apr 27]], 2019)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|SG-15 [[Aimless#War for Cybertron: Siege|Aimless]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-16 [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Laserbeak]] & [[Ravage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ravage]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-17 [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ironhide]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-18 [[Six-Gun#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Six-Gun]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-19 [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Starscream]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 4''' ([[May 31]], 2019)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|SG-20 [[Pteraxadon#War for Cybertron: Siege|Pteraxadon]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-21 [[Red Hot#War for Cybertron: Siege|Red Heat]] & [[Stakeout (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Stakeout]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-22 [[Chromia (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Chromia]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-23 [[Prowl (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Prowl]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-24 [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Soundwave]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=4|[[File:War-for-Cybertron-Siege-Leader-Ultra-Magnus.jpg|thumb|300px|Leader Class Ultra Magnus (''Hasbro and TakaraTomy versions are the same'')]][[File:WFC-Siege-Voyager-Apeface.jpg|thumb|300px|Voyager Class Apeface (''Hasbro and TakaraTomy versions are the same'')]]
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 5''' ([[July 27|Jul 27]], 2019)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|SG-25 [[Brunt (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Brunt]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-26 [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Jetfire]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 6''' ([[August 24|Aug 24]], 2019)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|SG-27 [[Caliburst (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Caliburst]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-28 [[Reflector (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Refraktor]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 7''' ([[September 30|Sep 30]], 2019)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|SG-29 [[Smashdown#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Smashdown]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-30 [[Blackjack (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Decepticon Blackjack]] & [[Hyperdrive (Micromaster)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Hyperdrive]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-31 [[Red Alert (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Red Alert]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-32 [[Springer (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Springer]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 8''' ([[October 26|Oct 26]], 2019)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|SG-33 [[Powertrain#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Powertrain]] & [[Highjump (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Highjump]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-34 [[Barricade (IDW)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Barricade]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-35 [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Thundercracker]]}}
</ul>
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 9''' ([[November 23|Nov 23]], 2019)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|SG-36 [[Impactor (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Impactor]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-37 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#S40|Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 10''' ([[December 26|Dec 26]], 2019)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|SG-38 [[Mirage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Mirage]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-39 [[Omega Supreme (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Omega Supreme]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 11''' ([[January 25|Jan 25]], [[2020]])
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|SG-40 [[Rung (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Autobot Rung]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-41 [[Rumble (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Rumble]] & [[Ratbat (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ratbat]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-42 [[Spinister (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Spinister]]}}
</ul>
|
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 12''' ([[February 22|Feb 22]], 2020)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|SG-43 [[Singe#War for Cybertron: Siege|Singe]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-44 [[Direct-Hit#War for Cybertron: Siege|Direct-Hit]] & [[Power Punch#War for Cybertron: Siege|Power Punch]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-45 [[Crosshairs (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Crosshairs]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-46 [[Apeface#War for Cybertron: Siege|Apeface]]}}
</ul>
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''Wave 13''' ([[March 28|Mar 28]], 2020)
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|SG-47 [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Astrotrain]]}}
|}

===Exclusives===
Unusually, TakaraTomy made some minor exceptions to brand unification with their exclusives. ''Siege'' Nemesis Prime is unique to the Japanese market, with TakaraTomy even releasing Hasbro's [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|''Earthrise'' version]] the next year. Meanwhile, Soundblaster received minor deco changes compared to the Hasbro releases which came nearly two years before.
{| style="margin-left:1em;" width="100%"
|width="20%" valign="top"|'''[[TakaraTomy Mall]]'''
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-d1|[[Nemesis Prime (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Nemesis Prime]]}}
{{Bp-a1|SG-EX [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ratchet]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-EX Decepticon [[Phantomstrike Squadron]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Fracas#War for Cybertron: Siege|Decepticon Fracas]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Hairsplitter#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shrute]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Skywarp (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Skywarp]]}}
:{{Bp-d1|[[Terror-Daxtyl#War for Cybertron: Siege|Terror-Daxtyl]]}}
{{Bp-merc|SG-EX / TT-GS12<ref>[https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810175636/ TakaraTomy Mall] lists their Soundblaster as a normal ''Siege'' exclusive, with an ID number of "SG-EX", while [https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-takara-tomy-generations-selects-tt-gs12-soundblaster-hasbro-pulse-exclusive Hasbro Pulse] lists the same Soundblaster as an imported TakaraTomy ''Selects'' exclusive, given the different ID number of "TT-GS12".</ref> [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#S63|Soundblaster]]}}
{{Bp-d1|SG-EX [[Acid Storm (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Acid Storm]] & [[Ion Storm#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ion Storm]] & [[Nova Storm (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Nova Storm]]}}
</ul>
|width="20%" valign="top" rowspan=2|[[File:TF-Generations-WFC-S-Voyager-Nemesis-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Voyager Class Nemesis Prime (Unique to TakaraTomy)]]
|}

==Notes==
[[File:WFC-Siege-SDCC-2018-Poster.jpg|thumb|300px]]
* Each portion of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' has a hidden number picked out in the word '''War''' in the toyline's logo that indicates which section of the trilogy it is. For ''Siege'' the letter '''W''' has the number '''1'''.
* When the toyline was announced at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2018, Hasbro distributed 2 posters with blacklight-revealable messages.
**''"LIGHT THE [[Darkest hour|DARKEST HOUR]]"''
**''"ACTIVATE OPERATION COUNTERSTRIKE"''
**''"AUTOBOTS THE HOUR IS UPON US"''
**''"SEEK THE STRATEGIST"''
* While not branded as part of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'', the IDW ''[[Transformers (2019 comic)|Transformers]]'' comic series that commenced in 2019 extensively uses contemporary toy designs; consequently, numerous main characters appear in ''Siege'' toy designs.
* The names of many individual figures from this line were revealed by listings on [[Walmart]] and [[Amazon (website)|Amazon Australia]] prior to being formally unveiled by Hasbro at conventions.
* ''Siege'' toys debuted at the tail end of October 2018 with the Voyager Class available from U.S. comic stores and private dealers, followed up by Battle Masters at [[Target]] on November 4, 2018.
* Deluxe Class Red Alert was accidentally revealed by Hasbro by being featured as the "core" figure in the [[stock photography|stock CG render]] showcasing the use of Brunt's Weaponizer parts released during New York Comic-Con in October 2018. Full on stock renders were found on different websites, such as [[Target]] and [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] leading to New York [[Toy Fair 2019]], midway through February, where his existence was finally acknowledged.
* Although battle-damaged paint is one of the distinguishing features of the ''Siege'' imprint, it seems that Hasbro's dedication to it is pretty tenuous. The Voyager Class toys are the only ones that seem to receive any significant amount, while Leaders hardly get any and Deluxes range from little to none.
** Many buyers attempted to remove the battle damage paint using isopropyl alcohol. The effectiveness of this treatment varies from figure to figure. The deluxe scale figures often had minimal drybrush-applied paint that cleaned off easily, while the voyager scaled figures, which had the battle damage paint printed onto them, were much more difficult to clean. Some figures, such as Soundwave and Springer, had battle damage paint applied directly over their deco paint, which meant ruining the deco in the effort to clean the battle damage.
* Starting with this toyline, many of the Deluxe and upwards figures are downsized, the Leaders (plus additions) either being just a head short of a Voyager class figure from previous lines, or simply being Voyager core figures sold with extra parts to make up the price point. ''Siege'' also features a heavy focus on [[articulation]], with common standards found on Deluxe, Voyager, and Leader Class figures being waist joints and ankle pivots, something which the following lines continue to feature. According to [[Shogo Hasui]], this is to ensure that the feet of each toy can stand whilst holding gear from the C.O.M.B.A.T system.
* It was decided that ball and socket joints were not up to the task of bearing the heavy load of the weapons that are created by the C.O.M.B.A.T system play pattern. As such, most of the articulation utilizes pinned or "mushroom cap" joints (though balljoints are present in smaller figures and the necks of larger ones). This created the challenge of balancing part count as well as maintaining parts that were important to the transformation and basic structure of the molds.<ref name="hasui interview">[https://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articles/1812/07/news106.html Interview with TakaraTomy head of Transformers marketing Kenichiro Okabe and designer Shogo Hasui]</ref>
* Thanks to the [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]] play pattern of adding weapons and armor to figures, it was decided to go with a war-torn aesthetic for the toyline, which included taking design cues from ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2]]'' and the addition of battle damage.<ref name="hasui interview"/>

===Foreign names===
*''Mandarin'': '''Biànxíngjīngāng Shìdài Xìliè Sāibótǎn zhī Zhàn - Wéichéng zhī Zhāng''' (Taiwan, 變形金剛世代系列塞伯坦之戰 - 圍城之章, "Transformers Generations Series War of Cybertron - Siege Chapter")

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Generation 1 toylines]]
[[Category:Generations toylines]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Siege| ]]

User talk:Saix

2022-10-12T05:47:05Z

Levyshahar: /* UK/US issues */

Interesting that you think she's an Earthling... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 20:24, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
:Well, "Galen Witwicky", so I assumed. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:38, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
::I'm wagering that this involves a human/Nebulon interspecies relationship! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:43, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

==E-Hobby Starscream==
You guys share links from seibertron but if I want to share it from deviantart, that's bad? I mean the user that published those pages in deviantart is E-Hobby's official user page.(I think).--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 11:36, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
:It's not e-Hobby that's putting those pages on DeviantArt. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
::Hmm ok then, but still Seibertron is a fan site too, right?--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 12:16, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

==Joke about Legends Arcee==
If my joke offend you or simply not funny, sorry about that. I'm just joking about sexist tendencies of Japanese culture. In fact, most famous and badass woman transformer only doing cook and wipe Rattrap's ass in this comic.—[[User:MWM|MWM]] ([[User talk:MWM|talk]]) 11:01, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:Don't worry, I'm not angry. I got what you meant with the joke, but it was still iffy, since it's hard for a reader to tell if it's serious or a criticism of the comic. I appreciate that you took the time to uploaded the image! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:12, 21 March 2015 (EDT)

== 3-D Diorama? ==
Say, where did you find these? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:30, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www.tf-base.ru/comics_manga.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:32, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks![[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Ugh...they're all CBR files my computer can't access. Thanks for the link thought. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:::They're just renamed rar files. Change the file extension to .rar and upzip them [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:39, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

== Magmatron ==

Thanks for the back up there. I THOUGHT I remembered it being the standard but didn't want to remove it without checking so I just cleaned up the grammar. Might possibly be put on the page for the toyline itself, but not sure if it is really worth noting.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:30, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

== About the Hero Mashers ==

So I guess while you were putting them where they would go, BotCon's official Andromeda's Facebook page went ahead and made it a seperate cluster from anything before. [https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1128571057169997&id=1099425733417863] [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:51, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

== Sequel series = splinter timelines? ==

Can you show me where this piece of information comes from? I have never heard of this idea before; doesn't it nullify the entire concept of continuities? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:10, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this interpretation, but it doesn't nullify continuity. Series A happens, then series B happens as a sequel to A. A is definitely the past of B, but that doesn't mean B is the future of A. We have several instances of this happening, notably the Marvel G1 continuity. G2, A Distant Time & Place, Regeneration One, and Classics are all explicitly sequels to Marvel US G1, but are mutually incompatible. Hell, Beast Wars (the cartoon) was implicitly a sequel to both Marvel US G1 AND the Sunbow Cartoon. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:21, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::So then the U.S. ''Cybertron'' cartoon is not part of [[Aurex 802.23 Alpha]]? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:23, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:::It is when it is. The events of the US cartoon are completely relevant -if not fundamental- to the rest of the events on this page. Universal streams are not completely separate timelines. They blend and weave into each other and flow from larger sources, like, you know, '''streams'''. A single cartoon can be part of multiple streams AND its own all at the same time. I swear, people just look at "OOH NUMBERS" and forget the accompanying text that gives context to the numbers, and trip over themselves to be soooooooo clever in splitting up shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:33, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::::Well said. And let's be wary of letting the tail wag the dog here. The primary source text should always be, well, primary. Or, in other words, which are you going to believe, your own eyes or something that was published in code in a source book (or in a Japanese Manga with a print run in the hundreds or the like.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:47, 15 May 2015 (EDT)

== Mandarin Names ==

Hello, thanks for adding information. However, please do change the spelling for Taiwanese Mandarin Name because the spelling in Taiwan is different from the Hanyu Pinyin in China. Thanks. :D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:17, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

== Universal streams ==

Looks like we're both working on the same parts of the wiki at the same time. I'll take a break, I have homework anyway. Thanks for fixing up my code. I appreciate the help. (Even if I think you're wrong about Zarak.) --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:47, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== List of characters whose dimensional classification is unknown ==

There's also [[Gaiacross]] and his components. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:07, 27 June 2015 (EDT)

== Shell Game characters ==

If this wiki now accepts that RID Optimus-redeco [[Defensor (OTFCC)|Defensor]] is [[Viron]], then is it alright to do the same to the other "[[Shell Game]]" universe characters? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:36, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

==Regeneration One==

Regeneration One is explicitly a sequel to Marvel G1 continuity and belongs sequentially after it in write-ups. That's how the stories are presented, that's how it was branded, that's how the creators want it, and that's how we've written it up. If you want to rearrange things, make a case on a relevant talk page.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:44, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:You're really imperious for somebody who just started editing two months ago. ("How the creators want it"? Do you have personal correspondence with Furman on wiki organization?) None of the pages you've reverted actually contain Marvel US G1, which Regeneration One is a sequel to. You are linking together fiction that has nothing to do with each other in regard to those characters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:01, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::Sorry, I didn't realize that my tenure wasn't long enough to disagree with a six-month veteran like yourself. It's bizarre to not acknowledge that ReGeneration One and Marvel UK don't spring from the same tree and put leagues of fiction between them. And, if I'm "imperious," what are you? You're constantly changing around organizational elements with no discussion, based on whatever new scheme you've come up with. For someone whose been here well under a year, you certainly have strong opinions. I at least lurked for a long while to get the culture. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:03, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:::There's a difference between disagreement and acting like the authority on wiki organization and article writeups because apparently you're the only one who lurked. "Organizational elements" have frequently changed based on users' whims; section reorganization isn't anything new and the last major one was done purely by two users without input from others. In regards to MUK and RG1, it's not the job of character pages to establish points of continuity that aren't relevant to the actual subject of the article. The various versions of Jhiaxus have absolutely nothing to do with each other and putting them under one "continuity" is a ridiculous pretense with no benefit. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:26, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::::Separating RG1 (and Classics) into their own sections would be a major change to a large number of pages and there's been no discussion about it. If you want to do it, there should be talk first so everyone else knows what's going on. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 21:28, 11 August 2015 (GMT)
::::: And I've asked about it on http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Reorganising_Regeneration_One to see what people think. If it's ayes, then it's off to the edits! [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 23:15, 11 August 2015 (GMT)

==Characters with no confirmed universal origin==

Question... have we not specified [[Ramulus|Longhorn (Universe)]] and [[Sunstorm (Universe)]]? Just want to be sure I'm not missing something. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:26, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:No, I just forgot to update. Sorry! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:27, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you, your list is a handy reference.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:34, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Whilst this is being talked about, it's probably worth noting that RTS Strafe hasn't ''reeeaaaally'' had its universe confirmed - it was merged with G1 Strafe for some convoluted reason during the 'AOE Strafe is a counterpart of G1 Strafe' debacle and probably should've been unmerged after all that nonsense was undone. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:16, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:I'm mostly fine with just assuming he's G1 based on context, but I'd send in a question if you want confirmation. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:30, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Hey, Saix, should ''Universe'' 2003 [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreen (unreleased)]] be on your list as well? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:21, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== BW Metals manga ==

Do you still have the BW Metals manga scans? The links on the talk page are dead. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 16:48, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/0t4p8rcK/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/dWpVVb7v/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ZXqkMXea/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ch91fgKi/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/M6MwWTaV/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/jCLxuohn/file.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:54, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

==Italics==
Hey, man, saw you unitalicizing [[Ask Vector Prime]]. I don't really care one way or the other, but I seem to see it italicized a lot. Is there a policy or system to this? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:06, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
:AVP isn't a work or a franchise, so it doesn't get italicized. It's something like {{w|Dear Abby}}—a column. Chicago style of editing says columns don't get either quotation marks or italics. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:13, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
::That's fine for me going forward. There's a LOT of AVP where it's in italics though. If you're ever feeling like a quest, rooting them all out might be worth doing. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:15, 24 September 2015 (EDT)

==Gong==
Knock it off. It's fine the way it is now. Stop reverting each other. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 12:43, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

You were right. I was wrong. Making all the Guardians and Renegades convinced me of that. I apologize to you for my childishness. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 13:01, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:Not needed, but thank you nonetheless for the apology. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:30, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

== Stealth Bomber ==

I see that you put a redlink to [[Stealth Bomber]] on [[Stealth Saber]] and [[Victory Bomber]]'s pages. Did you intend that someone else would pick that redlink up to create a page for Stealth Bomber or did you think that Stealth Bomber didn't merit an individual page? I've wondered about such a thing as we have an individual page for RiD [[Dreadwing (RID)|Dreadwing]] but not for BWII [[Formation Scream]], G2 Megatron+Starscream, and G2 Dreadwing+Smokescreen. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:31, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
:I think it warrants a page, hence the link. I was just too lazy to make that page in particular. Formation Scream should also get its own page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:57, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

== Disagreements ==

I saw what you wrote on the Community Portal. I can't speak for others but, though we often disagree, I do value your input and perspective. Also, it makes the times we do agree that much more meaningful. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:58, 2 November 2015 (EST)
:Speaking of, there's a contentious GoBots issue on Community Portal, should screen captures be included for character pages or not. I would be interested to hear you weigh in. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:07, 3 November 2015 (EST)

== Devisiun ==
I understand you may not like the speculative tone, but was it really necessary to also delete the plausible explanation that the secondary star may be encased in a [[wikipedia:dyson sphere|Dyson sphere]]? After all, the text clearly refer to a double star and one of the celestial body represented seems to produce a lot of light. (Besides having spot the same color than the "single" star of said same picture.) Damn... I was only trying to be thorough and objective. How could I contact Scott online so that the answer would be considered by this wiki? -- [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 06:11, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:I'm not Saix, but to quote the [[Help:Contents|wiki's main help page]]: "Speculation to fill gaps should be minimized, and preferably eliminated entirely." It's fine to note the inconsistency, but an extended account of possible explanations is unnecessary. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 06:46, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:Understood. Thanks, I'll sleep better now. But I'm still going to run a Tranformers RPG campaign and feel that this question may deserve an answer. So the second part of my inquiry remains. Since I will try to ask, where and how such a thing should be done so that the information could validly be forwarded on this wiki? [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 07:04, 16 December 2015 (EST)
::Scott has Twitter and Tumblr accounts you can engage her on. But, honestly? You're looking for complexity where there isn't any. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:::I have to agree. Most casual sci-fi fans don't know what Dyson spheres are, and the concept has never featured in ''Transformers'', as far as I'm aware. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 09:15, 16 December 2015 (EST)

== Your JG1 timeline list ==

Hey, that list on your user page is awesome and really helpful. Though, the Prime AM-28 Leo Prime bio also contains some JG1 info, set post-BWN before he jumps over to Uniend (or over to Gargent, then Nexus, then finally Uniend, as claimed by AVP, but I digress). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:36, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:Thanks for the reminder. I mostly constructed it so I would have something to check when organizating fiction sections. Let me know if I'm missing anything else. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:31, 18 December 2015 (EST)
::Will do. EDIT: Tale of the Pretenders is missing. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:53, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:The G1 GoBots thing might or might not come before Car Robots in a present day sense as the Spychangers came from the future anyway, so the GoBots bio would simply have to come before whatever point in time the Spychangers traveled back in time from. Though, given how things like Binaltech, RobotMasters, and Kiss Players all take place in the timeline at points contemporary to their releases in the real world, perhaps the G1 GoBots bio does as well, taking place somewhere in 2004 (in hindsight, I wish I had asked Sakamoto about this).
:On a different note, the bios for e-HOBBY New Years Lambor and Alert are missing, which should probably go after G-2 but before the two post-G-2 e-HOBBY manga. Also the bio for Magnificus and Ga'mede and the bio for Generations Magnificus, the latter of which would go prior to Badlands, while the former... somewhere years earlier (not sure where, though). And the bios for e-HOBBY Crosscut and Road Rage, which would most likely go after the Super Spychangers but before Binaltech. Any other missing e-HOBBY bios can be found [http://www.e-hobbymagazine.com/category/english/museun_en here] (barring those that lack links, that is). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:19, 22 April 2016 (EDT)

== Italics in establishment names ==

From what I've researched, I have to agree that establishment names aren't capitalized. However, that's how [[The Blue Deployer]] is rendered in the ''TransTech'' text stories. Think that's worth noting under "Errors"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:16, 19 December 2015 (EST)
:I guess. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:17, 19 December 2015 (EST)

== Just to avoid any edit wars over pastel horses... ==
I understand that the captions are about humor over anything else, but maybe the caption should at least be a ''little'' less confrontational in tone? I'm not against humor in the article itself, but that opening caption's not exactly ''good'' humor. It's more mean-spirited than simple jokeyness that this wiki thrives upon; so I decided that a joke about Bumblebee's kid-appeal nature (and thus perceptiveness to what's popular with kids) would be a bit less potentially divisive overall, and less likely to appear mean-spirited.

I expect that sort of tone in the articles for stuff like B.O.T, The Beast or Kiss Players, the really awful, terrible stuff we ''have'' to rip into pieces because of how bad they are, not an article on My Little Pony. It's kind of like opening, say, a Soundwave article by poking fun at his speech with a disabled joke in his first image caption because of his speech pattern; it's ''easy'' and can get a few laughs, but overall it's just not worth it because not everyone will find such jokes to be really funny. And above all else, I'd like to think that we as a community are above those sorts of cheap jokes just for a few laughs.

Not trying to come off as indignant here, honest. I'm just wondering if maybe the caption joke isn't really good in any capacity. And if a caption isn't funny, then really, we shouldn't defend it just because of longevity. We obviously need the funny to stay, but to ignore potentially valid points just for the sake of a joke seems...well, kind of odd for this Wiki. We're jokey, but nowhere unappropriate have I seen the wiki's captions actually being ''that'' harsh towards a subject.

It's also a jarring shift in tone to go from "Only the dead can know peace from this evil" as an opening caption to "Don't go looking for the Tooth Fairy without it!" as the next caption down the page. They're both aiming for humor, but one's more "Ha-ha look at this silly situation!" and the other is more "Ha-ha let's make a "ponies are evil" joke because it's teh funnies!".

Again, not wanting to look entitled; but I'm curious about why the edit was reverted so quickly. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2015 (EST)

== SPOILERS ==

Please remember to use the Spoiler warning template when adding new material. I just stumbled across information you added to [[Lio Convoy]] about [[Sunrise]] before I had a chance to read it. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 08:56, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:I apologize. I'll try to remember not to do that again. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 8 January 2016 (EST)

== Moving images ==

Sorry about that. I thought it was a more efficient use of space to align the tops of the images with the headers. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:55, 12 January 2016 (EST)

==About Grimlock==
They're both from Viron universes, and both technically part of the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 Robots in Disguise]] continuity.
Someone could be all like, "Wait, I though RID's Grimlock was a big green backhoe. Who's this Dinosaur?"
Imagine if there were two Optimus Primes in one continuity, even if they looked completely different, would it not be within reason to distinct the two from one another?{{unsigned|PsychoShark}}
:Your hypothetical is ridiculous. Explain to me the process in which this situation would arise. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:01, 25 January 2016 (EST)
:Plus the disambig link at the top already exists. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:05, 25 January 2016 (EST)

While going through my talk page, I noticed that PsychoShark mentioned that the [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Grimlock_(Dinobots)&diff=next&oldid=1048629 note] he added to [[Grimlock (Dinobots)]] was based on a similar note from [[Slapper (Dinobots)]]. Seeing as how we've deemed the other one unnecessary, I thought you might want to remove the one on Slapper's page. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 07:44, 7 February 2016 (EST)

== Universal origins list ==

If it's of interest to you for your user page list, I've seen that [[Nitpick]], [[Comet]], [[Beamer (Autobot)|Beamer]], [[NightViper]], [[Kickstart]], [[Heavyfoot]], [[Ironclad]], [[Fastbreak]], [[Aston]], [[Miss-Q]], "[[Kamen Rider Amazon]]", [[Time Limit]], [[Clutch (GoBots)|Clutch]], and [[Warpath (GoBots)|Warpath]] all have indeterminate cluster origin, albeit that they're all intentionally ambiguous and/or their origins are unlikely to ever be revisited. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:57, 27 January 2016 (EST)

== eptitle ==

With screencaps for episodes whose titles have been disambiguated, you can use the "eptitle" parameter to set the text of the link different from the actual link. For example, with [[Volcano (episode)]] from RID, you would put

'''<nowiki>{{RID2001cap|description.|Volcano (episode)|</nowiki>1|eptitle=Volcano}}'''.

Then, the link will show up like this:
[[Volcano (episode)|Volcano]]

Nice work on all that cleanup, by the way. Cheers! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:33, 1 March 2016 (EST)

== Dinosaurs ==

Okay, examples to try and clarify:
*火星 means "Mars". The kanji, treated separately, are literally rendered as "Fire Planet", but still plainly mean "Mars". It's not just being used to "refer" to Mars, it's straight up the name the Japanese give to the celestial body the English call "Mars".
*固定電話 means "Landline Phone". The kanji, treated separately, render as "Hard-determined Electricity-talker".

As demonstrated in the dictionary entries I posted, Japanese dictionaries ''dont'' give readers the symbolic runaround that the Dinoforce pages were using -- they simply treat "Gairyuu" as the word for an Ankylosaurus. I suppose I may be being somewhat oversensitive, but choosing to render Japanese words in a symbolic breakdown like that, contrary to how it's intended to be interpreted, feels a lot like refusing to acknowledge that it even ''has'' words for these concepts, and feels kind of Tarzanesque? I don't feel it's removing information, since to a Japanese speaker, Gairyuu doesn't ''mean'' "Armored Dragon" -- it means Ankylosaurus, just like to an English speaker (or Greek, if you want), Ankylosaurus doesn't "fused lizard", it means a type of dinosaur with an armored back and club tail --fused lizard is just the root of the name.

In addition, while many Japanese names for Dinosaur use "ryuu" in a similar manner to how English uses "saur", "ryuu" itself does not mean dinosaur, nor are dinosaur called "ryuu" -- as with English, they are instead called "恐竜", or "Ferocious dragon". I mean, "-saur" would be a workable translation of "ryuu", no complaints, but as in English "saur" is used to refer to more than just dinosaurs (e.g. Pterosaurs, Plesiosaurs, etc.) And in fact, Pterosaurs and Plesiosaurs include 竜 in their Japanese rendering.

I definitely see the value in retaining the kanji meanings here, especially if that's a thing we're going to be doing with characters like Triceradon, too. But I think we should make it clear that those are the ''root'' of the names, rather than treating the Japanese names as if they don't have specific direct meanings that a Japanese speaker would recognize.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 01:11, 2 March 2016 (EST)

== Image of Comet ==

I see that you have uploaded good quality images from almost every Club story PDF. Is there any reason you haven't got the one of dead [[Comet]] in "[[Withered Hope]]"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 15 March 2016 (EDT)

==Other Decepticons==
Why can't you just leave that link in, it works perfectly well, and dont forget they also are alchemor inmates. I dont see the problem with just having that there. - Junkheap117
:Stop fucking obsessing over this. They are not actual characters, and your overall antics are exhausting my patience. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:57, 21 March 2016 (EDT)

== Blackarachnia talk page ==

I understand talk pages are not chat rooms. The reason I posted that was because the article itself seems to question why the chest is transparent, so I thought that might explain it. I didn't just go and edit the page because I knew it would be undone. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 21:03, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

== Being last seen ==

Here's my take, for what it's worth. A ''good'' write-up is not a list of things that happened one after the other. A good write-up is a story unto itself. It is the story of that character, and it should read as "complete". And when the cartoon or comic adventures of that character stops abruptly - when a character's final appearance is as a face in a crowd and they receive no personal "finale" - then it's the job of the write-up to note that they "were last seen"/"last appeared"/"made their final recorded appearance", etc, to bring that write-up's "story" to its end, instead of, essentially, just stopping in what reads as mid-story. The complete BWII write-up of the Autorollers just stops mid-story. It does not read as complete. At best, a reader's reaction is "Oh, huh, I guess that's it, then," instead of knowing that they are reading an end - but really, an less-informed reader has no reason to assume there isn't more just because there's isn't a stub saying so. We don't always have stubs! There shouldn't be any expectation on the reader to know that storylinked title is the final episode, if it even is. The write-up needs to say this is "the end" for that character. Yes, they return for a cameo in BWN, but that's a separate header. The were "last seen" during the battle on Gaea in that moment. It's no more "out of universe" than describing art or writing errors as "anomalous accounts" or "erroneous reports" is. I'm not getting into an edit war or even fighting to make this change; I'm just saying, it's pretty standard "handbook" write-up terminology, how I write mine, and how I will continue to write them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:05, 25 April 2016 (EDT)

== Hey ==

Here's some more BotCon Diamond bios: http://postimg.org/gallery/7wuis1oc/27b9edf7/ [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:15, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
:Cool, thanks. I'll have a look when I get home. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:37, 1 June 2016 (EDT)

== Can you identify anyone else? ==

So regarding the new in-development Transformers Online, I stumbled across a trailer of some characters and skills in action. Right now, I can only make out Jazz, Bumblebee, and probably Swindle. Can you tell if the rest of the transformers in this video resemble any other character? Thanks! --[[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 19:01, 2 August 2016 (EDT)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFTeBn-BS8

== Dinobot (RID) article ==

the dinobot were reference in prime season 3 were they not? RID 2015 is the sequel to prime is it not. so why are not adding prime to that page. Yes they were only reference. but still though wouldn't it make more sense for that cartoon in that dinobot section. i mean are more a sequel to the game when you stop to think about it. Also there is no evidence supporting the fact were referring to the fall of cybertron version of the dinobots.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 04:29, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
:At the time that Miko and Bulkhead made that reference, the RID Dinobot subspecies didn't even exist yet. There was no way that the Prime cartoon was referencing something that never existed at the time that it made the reference. The FOC Dinobots, however, did exist, and were part of an active attempt to better unify the Aligned media between the games, the tie-in comics, and the Prime cartoon. Miko's and Bulkhead's Dinobots reference only makes sense in regards to the FOC Dinobots since they were only Aligned Dinobots that existed at the time the reference was made. What you're asking is for us to declare Miko's and Bulkhead's reference as having been retconned into referring to a subspecies that would not come into existence until later on, yet there has been no official media that has made such a retcon. We as fans have ZERO authority on such matters and are not going to start declaring our own unofficial retcons for virtually no other reason than "because we want to", as you seem to want us to do. Besides, Bulkhead's referring to Dinobots as something "Totally different" from how the Predacons were like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species makes no sense in regards to the RID Dinobots, since the RID Dinobots for all intents and purposes do very much seem to be like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species while the FOC Dinobots were an artificially-created subgroup that very much does make them totally different from a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 11:19, 12 August 2016 (EDT)

== [[Roboid]] [[Nook]] ==

Isn't it generally TFWiki's practice to ''point out'' Easter eggs, homages, and the like? --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:10, 3 September 2016 (EDT)

== Regarding TFO edits ==

Saix, I know there is currently no official parameter and that it's not within the wiki's obligation to decide upon an arbitrary translation, but some of the transliterations, even by Chinese (BOTH Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese) standards, are just flat out nonsensical and frivolous. I hope you understand that there are multiple ways (via synonyms) to translate the hanzi, and I can speak from experience behind the screen as a bilingual Mandarin-English speaker, and as a professor's teaching assistant in Elementary Chinese irl. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 10:50, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:By transliteration, I assume you actually mean translation? I realize there is leeway in translation to convey the same idea in a different language, but some of your translations were still questionable and played too loose with the meaning of the hanzi, in my opinion. Take 命运之殇 in particular—I don't understand how you derived "war" out of it, unless you were going by Google translate, when it's a straightforward name based on the certain death it supposedly doles out (as opposed to "Destiny's War", which means absolutely nothing). Or how you got "Laser Wrench" from F型扳手. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
I didn't use Google Translate. I consulted with native speaking relatives and peers and utilized Systransoft.com as well as MDBG, which I find for both to be more adequate. Bluestreak's sniper rifle, from the hanzi I recognize, can have synonymous possibilities. Certainly, "Destiny" can be interchanged with "Fate", altho I will admit, the second half of the title can be considered as: "war casualty" or "death" in general. For the second example, there's clearly no resemblance to an actual F-Type Wrench whatsoever, so I find even calling that weapon an "F-Type" in practicality to be redundant. (I've been a workshop assistant for a good year or so, so I've been familiar enough with tools in the shed.) If anything, Wheeljack's Melee weapon is identified as a Pipe Wrench, so shame on Tencent for the misleading name. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 15:19, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:A wiki is not the place for creative "translations" that basically are localizations. If the name is literally "F-type Wrench", then it's F-type Wrench, regardless of how much you think it makes sense. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:39, 14 September 2016 (EDT)

== Deluge ==

first of all, i know the story has deluge as both, but in most universe, he's and his decepticon counterpart are there own individual. i was trying to make that clear to the people reading that story, but you thought i was too stupid to realize that, i mean yes the blackout thing was stupid on my part. but seriously you could have easily edited it to say that this Deluge is a amalgam of both version.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 21:29, 28 December 2016 (EST)

== Missed the joke ==
While I appreciate the effort to correct errors on the page bearing my name ([[Mark Baker-Wright]]), it should be noted that the word "misspelled" was misspelled (as "mispelled") on purpose....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock|talk]]) 18:21, 13 January 2017 (EST) (sorry to get to this so late. I actually don't go around looking at my own page that often)
:Ah, I was using an automated tool that does automatic corrections and wasn't really reading that closely. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:05, 13 January 2017 (EST)

==Model Numbers==
hey, i saw that you undid some of my edits for adding model numbers back into these wiki pages (apologies if i did it wrong!) - but how can we get these reinstated? that information is very useful, and should be on each of the main collection pages...

== Godbomber revision? ==

Why was my info deleted on the godbomber page? - [[User:Asda|Asda]] ([[User talk:Asda|talk]]) 11:28, 28 September 2017 (EDT)

== Don't revert my notes man ==

It's not needless my friend, it's just extra information that many Transformers fans I know would be happy to find on here. Please don't revert people's notes, even if you feel that it's "needless". If anything, I'm '''adding''' notes, not pruning them. Smh.
: Please stop adding notes. They're not good notes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 23:57, 1 January 2018 (EST)
::"Pruning" was what I was doing, and we are not obligated to store every passing thought you have. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 00:05, 2 January 2018 (EST)

== Run For Our Lives ==

Like you, my first instinct when I created the article was to use lower case for "for", as is grammatically correct, but the official title actually leaves it capitalized (see [https://www.go90.com/videos/37rr2B0WBM6 here]). By comparison, other TR episode titles that have conjunctions or articles choose to use lower case as normal ("Aftermath and Rebirth", "At the Last Second", etc.), so the capitalization of For stands out by comparison. Thus, technically, the title was more accurate as it was. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:35, 2 January 2018 (EST)
:I don't consider websites to be particularly authoritative in capitalization, especially when the actual "official title" in the episode itself is "RUN FOR OUR LIVES". People rarely remember every rule about how to capitalize titles, and we don't need to drive ourselves crazy accounting for every mistake some website has in rendering them. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:48, 2 January 2018 (EST)

== SG Fistfight, Insecticons ==

Why did you remove the note about SG Fistfight's deco? Do you dispute that it's true, that it's verifiable, or that it's noteworthy?

It's true that he's orange and black, as verified by [[Transhuman]]. As for it being noteworthy, ''This character has no official visual representation whatsoever... yet, at least'', so shouldn't we at least mention what we know about his physical appearance?

As for his sharing Tyrannitron's deco, G1 Fistfight and Tyrannitron were Action Master partners of opposing factions, just like Skyfall and Banzai-Tron were Action Masters of opposing factions (so SG Skyfall got G1 Banzai-Tron's deco), the Technobots and Terrorcons were combiners of opposing factions (so the SG teams swapped decos), etc. Moreover, G1 Fistfight and Tyrannitron were partnered with Shockwave and a Dinobot, respectively, further emphasizing a rivalry for SG to flip around.

If you look at almost any SG character's article, we typically note what inspired or seems to have inspired that character's deco, even if it is unconfirmed.

Speaking of unconfirmed, why does everyone insist that ''Generation 1 Zaptrap was officially repurposed as Shattered Glass Shrapnel'' if his only appearance colors him like someone else? i'd appreciate your comments [[File_talk:Insecticons_SG.jpg|here]], please.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 04:50, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Crossformers/Pretenders ==

I get that Japan never identified the Crossformers (or the Dinoforce) as Pretenders, but the TransTech story "Gone Too Far" does refer to Black Shadow as both a Crossformer and a Pretender, with Hubcap referring to him as "some kind of ''Pretender''!", Jackpot asking "Who ever heard of a Pretender with a ''robotic'' shell? I hate this universe!", and the narration reading "He had hoped that the Pretender’s focus would be split between controlling both the shell and his own body." Granted, all three of these could arguably be just from the perspective of those two Autobots, using a term that's familiar to them to refer to a kind of Transformer they've never encountered before, but I figured it was at least worth pointing out. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:04, 19 January 2018 (EST)

== Hi! Cylas here. ==

Are you just following me and undoing my (admittedly) "sub-par" edits? Also, if/when you do, could you give a reason? And your comments sometimes hurt my feelings. -[[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User Talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 6:54 PM (MST)

And for your information, Aligned is, according to this wiki, a continuity family. It doesn't have an official name, but go to the family's [[Aligned continuity family|page]] and see for yourself everything that it encompasses. The Covenant of Primus and the Novels and Prime and Robots in Disguise and Rescue Bots and War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 00:11, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
*Edit: I should have actually read the article before I wrote that comment. Yes, the Aligned family has some inconsistencies. Yes, it can be interpreted as several similar universes that don't necessarily line up. But Aligned is still a continuity family, and the inconsistencies are worth noting.
**Edit to the edit: Forgot to sign. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 00:19, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:Okay Saix. I can handle the Novel trilogy as not being in the same universe as Prime. But RID is a ''direct sequel'' to Prime. Okay, maybe my thing with Thunderhoof wasn't good. But that doesn't change the fact that Prime and RID are in the same universe. -[[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:35, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

== Stop undoing my edits ==

You are just removing everything I post at this point, most of them without even stating why. Stop it. This isn't your website. I have just as much right to contribute as you. And I'm allowed to make jokes: rule 1 of this wiki: the funny stays. If you keep doing this, I'm taking it to the moderators.
* Edit: Leave my posts alone. Anything you delete, I'm just going to put back. I've had enough of you trying to bully me off this site. And from the look of this page I'm not the only one.

== Legends chapter 53 ==

I think that the in the top right panel of page 2, the guys protecting Dinobot, Tigatron, and Cheetor are ''Device Label'' Grimlock, ''Prime'' Arcee, and ''Disney Label'' Mickey Mouse. Also Maybe Diabattles with Rhinox? Also possibly Cybertron Optimus in supermode sticking his feet in right above Windblade. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:19, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

== Chinese names ==
Hello,I'm user IDWchromedome.These Chinese names(okay,most) really come from hasbro officials,I admit a few are not,I will be careful later.I have a Chinese Dreamwave Illustrations book.This book is officially licensed by Hasbro,most are written according to that book.and I'm Chinese.As you can see,My English level is very bad,So I don't know you can understand what I'm saying.I hope you can understand,if I offended you,I'm sorry.

== M'Ress ==

I'd just like to take this moment to explicitly thank you for [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=M%27Ress&diff=1288196&oldid=1288175 fixing] my glaring omission from M'Ress's introduction. I don't know how such a mistake escaped my notice. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] ([[User talk:Andrusi|talk]]) 10:10, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

== Could you move all the info for Cyberverse McDonalds to G1 ==

I didn't know the McDonalds toys were G1 not Cyberverse. Could you move all those McDonalds entries from the Cyberverse pages to G1 pages then? Be sure to edit any pictures and the fast food promotion and McDonalds page as well. Or you can just wait until later where I'll probably do it, I dunno. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:41, 13 October 2018 (EDT)

== Why remove the new section in Twelve-of-Twelve? ==

Just wondering why you'd change it. In character synopsis articles we usually break up the character's history into smaller sections. In this case, literal millions of years have passed between the Lost Light's adventures in the Functionist universe and the arrival of Council-controlled Primus in the main universe. If anything necessitates the addition of a new section, it's this. Is the article just not long enough to be split up? Or is there some other reason?

Also, I'd like to bring your attention to my questions on the [[Talk:Functionist Council|Functionist Council talk page]]. Is it okay to copy-paste that same paragraph in the other members' articles? [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 13:54, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
:Because we don't "usually" do that; only in long IDW subartciles, which Twelve isn't. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:08, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
::Okay, that's what I thought. What about my second question? [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 14:48, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
==Why did you change the acid storm (Cyberverse) page==
the discussion agree that till thing are sorted out we try gender-neutral pronoun (Like what Simon Furman did). yes there was the episode but that could have been a script error.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 17:26, 29 October 2018 (EDT)

== Legal drinking age ==

Nope. Wyoming did not raise its drinking age until 1 July 1988 while Louisiana had raised its but had enacted a loophole that basically left the age at 18. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:59, 23 April 2019 (EDT)

== BW Megatron edits ==

Hi, I'd just like to apologize for overfixating on sneaking in complaints about Masterpiece Megatron's Japanese voicebox. I made the mistake of thinking that the wiki's informal tone gives people leave to treat it like a TV Tropes YMMV page, and I based most of those edits on YouTube comments that I saw that affirmed my own opinion at the time (that is, that the Japanese voice box drives the price up merely to affirm that the toy represents a wackier and less threatening version of the character that is absolutely not my literal David Kaye-voiced husbando).

I should absolutely find other things to edit, to focus on useful information (such as poseability, objective comparisons between figures, etc.) rather than using the wiki to vent my salt boner. (As for my previous opinion, I'm starting to realize that Chiba's voice clips probably didn't inflate Megs' price ''that'' much, since MP Dinobot comes with no sound gimmick and is nearly as expensive.) --[[User:Samus Aran|Samus Aran]] ([[User talk:Samus Aran|talk]]) 00:36, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

== RBA and Prime Hot Shot ==

Hey, OK sorry if I made that change, but the new Hot Shot is small and young (maybe one of the cybertronians born after the core's rebirth. So, please, he's obviously a separate character from Prime Hot Shot.
[[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]) 17:57, 03 June 2019
: He's not for our categorization purposes. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:22, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
::Oh really? Aren't also Grimlock, Sideswipe and Whirl for your categorization purposes? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]) 08:42, 04 June 2019
:::We have official material that states those three are entirely different characters from the ones that appeared in WFC/Prime. Just think of Hot Shot's Prime design as a different "version" of the same character, like G1 Megatron in the comics versus G1 Megatron in the cartoon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:28, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
::::I agree with RoboWarrior. Hot Shot and Whirl are almost identical situations of pre-existing veteran Wreckers being distinct from new recruits in Rescue Bots Academy. And the original decisions to split Grimlock, Sideswipe, and Kickback were not based on word from "official material". Not sure where you got that from. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:38, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
Please hash it out on [[Talk:Hot Shot (Prime)]]. My issue was that somebody came out of nowhere and split a page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:52, 4 June 2019 (EDT)

== Transmutate (character) to Transmutate (G1) ==

Thanks for catching that one. Given how rarely non-characters have franchise tag disambiguations as opposed to "story", "episode", "polity", etc., I felt that we were more likely doing a disservice to our users by insisting on not giving Paddles the (G1) disambig. I hadn't even noticed that the same situation applied to Transmutate. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:47, 13 September 2019 (EDT)

==Transformers references==

I was looking for someone to ask: when is something a reference, then? I was operating under the impression that something like, say, ''Cyberverse'' Shockwave threatens to take over the Decepticons when nearly every cartoon version of the character has been a staunch loyalist (except for ''Energon'' Shockblast) would be surprising to people who don't know about the character's comic history.

== Solid Snake and Simon Belmont ==

I was going to add a note about Snake and Simon ending up in another fighting game together, but stopped after seeing the edit history. You stated that "Now that it's not a unique thing, it's not worth noting." To my understanding, they're the only two characters who have articles on this wiki that ended up in ''Smash Bros.'', especially since they both ended up in the same game. What is it about this that makes it not unique or unnoteworthy as trivia? I'm not necessarily against the decision, but am curious about the reason. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 16:01, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
:[[Ryu]], [[Ken Masters|Ken]] and [[Inkling]] are playable in Smash too. And [[Bomberman]] is an assist trophy. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:09, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
::That and it's not really a trivia point relevant to ''Transformers''. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:44, 8 October 2019 (EDT)

== Super Megatron notes ==

Stuck on mobile right now, so I cant really do it myself, but, several notes:

1. I think the "native humanoids" are younger versions of White Leo and White Lune

2. The "Omega Sentinel"'s details match up more with Titans Return Astrotrain more than Energon Omega's mold [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:32, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:Thanks for catching the Astrotrain thing. I'm waiting till the comic confirms that the cat people are Beastformers, because the details don't match up just yet. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:00, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
::One more thing; should the Frenzy/Rumble mold just go on Frenzy's page, seeing as it's almost certainly not JG1 Frenzy, and that he's based more on the toy than the animation model? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:15, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:::I approached it from the Japanese perspective, so I just put him on the page with blue cartoon guy, but I suppose it doesn't really matter where. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:26, 8 April 2020 (EDT)

== About official Chinese release ==

Excuse me. 黑狗队/HēiGǒuDuì was a translated Chinese name and in an official Chinese release of the comic. So...can it be added?

== Why shouldn’t I blank out the talk page on my own profile? ==

The entire thing was nothing but condescension from jerks. I took their points to heart a long time ago, and I was tired of looking at them. {{unsigned|Phil Bond}} 02:25, 1 September 2020 (EDT)
:It's [[Transformers Wiki:User page#User page etiquette|against site policy]]. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 03:12, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

== Kudos on the cleanup ==

You da Cybertronian on the BWII cleanup! --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 17:44, 11 September 2020 (EDT)

== New jokes, not edited ones. ==

Just for the record, I didn't edit an existing joke. I edited my OWN joke that was new to begin with. There was nothing there to begin with.
In fact, I'd say Mirage's page was shockingly absent of captions for such an iconic, long-standing character really. [[User:MirageX|MirageX]] ([[User talk:MirageX|talk]]) 18:31, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
:Check the message. It says not to add more jokes if you haven't already been contributing actual content to the wiki. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:42, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
Check Mirage's page now. I've written up a partial stub of his WFC Siege storyline. I intend to finish it once I watch the rest of the episodes tonight, possibly tomorrow. It's not the easiest thing to watch, but I'll do it if it means contributing so I'm not chastised for adding missing captions. [[User:MirageX|MirageX]] ([[User talk:MirageX|talk]]) 19:50, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
:Look, are you making contributions because you want to actually improve the wiki, or are you only doing it so you have an excuse to add captions? Because like was said on your talk page, the site is meant to be informative first and funny second. If the real reason you're here is just so you can add jokes, you're probably better off going elsewhere. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:28, 22 October 2020 (EDT)

== A request ==

Hey, would you be able to help me out in figuring out what the Japanese names of the Great Transformation are? When Optimus mentions it in Episode 26's Japanese dub, I can hear him say 素晴らしい変化 (''subarashī henka''), which makes sense. But in Episode 1's Japanese dub, I can't tell exactly what the Oracle is saying due to its voice being so echo-y. I can hear the second part of the name as トランスフォーム (''toransufōmu''), but I can't quite make out what the first part is. [https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2216607 Here's a video] containing the scene in question, with the specific line of dialogue being around the 5:25 mark. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 09:41, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
:I am not good at listening to spoken Japanese, so I'm not of much help. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:43, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
::Thanks anyway. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:32, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

== Can you please tell me the source? ==

I could not find the source that [[Bonecrusher (BW)|Bone Crusher]] was sold under the name Bone Crush (ボーンクラッシュ) when it was imported to Japan.
Can you please tell me the source?
--[[User:CATBBA|CATBBA]] ([[User talk:CATBBA|talk]]) 14:05, 4 December 2020 (EST)
:[https://twitter.com/syncson/status/1200028057051910146 This tweet] has an advertisement that lists the names. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:09, 4 December 2020 (EST)
::Thank you. However, this is not an official product list, but an advertisement created by the dealers themselves. It may not be the official name.　It seems to me that the names were deliberately changed or misspelled to reduce the number of characters, especially with respect to the Bone Crusher. Also, I don't know what the standard is for names in the Beast Wars Universe or Transformers Generations to be no good and for names in the Beast Wars Perfect Book to be okay.--[[User:CATBBA|CATBBA]] ([[User talk:CATBBA|talk]]) 14:39, 4 December 2020 (EST)
:::I can't find pictures of the Takara stickers for Bonecrush/Bonecrusher, so this is the best we have to go on. In regards to Perfect Book, the difference is that it is placing the characters in a Japanese context and giving us original fictional details as opposed to Beast Wars Universe and Beast Generations, which are just describing Hasbro product. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:31, 4 December 2020 (EST)
::::Although it seems Perfect Book is also just describing Hasbro product, the different names given to the McDonald's toys are worth noting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:08, 4 December 2020 (EST)

== reason for revert? ==

i addressed the errors on the Lightspeed and Nosecone disambiguation pages, and explained them in my [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Lightspeed_%28disambiguation%29&diff=1471508&oldid=1471462 edit] [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Nosecone_%28disambiguation%29&diff=1471507&oldid=1471463 summaries.] Why did you revert to the incorrect versions?

[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 00:11, 26 December 2020 (EST)

== Fixing links ==

While I appreciate your efforts changing links, I just put in requests for Teletraan-X to do it. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 23:40, 4 January 2021 (EST)

== United EX names ==

There's a couple of guys who don't have their United EX names in Katakana: I think Detritus, Roadblock, Grindcore, Gravedigger, and Clouder are all the ones that need it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:02, 10 January 2021 (EST)
: (Also, Von Rani and Krieger need their names from Binaltech). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:06, 10 January 2021 (EST)
::Added. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:30, 10 January 2021 (EST)
::: Thanks. Also, for whatever reason, RID 15 Sideswipe is missing his Japanese name. I assume it's Sideswipe still, but just in case. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:34, 10 January 2021 (EST)
:::: Got another group: the guys who get named in Solar Requiem. Presumably, it's those who get named in English as well. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:50, 14 January 2021 (EST)

A couple of the Siege/Earthrise guys (Trip-Up and Daddy-O, at least) need their Japanese names added in. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:26, 22 January 2021 (EST)

== Is your name a reference to... ==

:...[[Backstop_(Cybertron)#Notes|Saidos]] / [[Rhinox|Rhino X]]?
:...the {{w|Sai (weapon)|''sai''}} dagger?
:...the Spanish number ''[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dos#Spanish dos]'' / the {{w|Roman numeral|Roman numeral}} ''[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/diez#Spanish diez?]'' ({{w|homophone|Nine}}? [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nein Nein?)]

Just curious.

[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 01:03, 30 January 2021 (EST)
:It's a Kingdom Hearts character. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:04, 30 January 2021 (EST)
::As he said, [https://www.khwiki.com/Sa%C3%AFx]. I was playing ''Kingdom Hearts 2.5'' at the time I signed up for my account. I could probably pick a better name now, but I don't really care enough to change it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:06, 30 January 2021 (EST)

== Big Convoy in Abduction ==

[[File:BigConvoyAbduction.jpg|thumb|100px]]
I think this is most likely Big Convoy.

There are only two other characters that share his silholuette. Nemesis and Ultra Mammoth. However;

* Nemesis Prime is a herald of Unicron, so he shouldn't be imprisoned in the Cauldron. Though there is a chance it is an early appearance still, I guess.

*Ultra Mammoth hadn't been created yet.

It's either Big Convoy or an early appearance of Nemesis Prime.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:24, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
:It's still just speculation. As the other silhouettes in other panels share a similar design (horns and spiked kibble parts), it could go either way. If the artist can confirm that it's Big or any of his repaints, then we can work from that, but as it stands, it's not enough to go off of. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)

== Legends comic image + Blurr ==

Yes, I'm aware of the events of The return of Blurr; but considering that ''Legends'' is a Japanese comic, I just made a joke about the fact that in Japan the last time somebody saw Blurr was in the cartoon itself, when (after killing him) Shockwave orders to Cliffjumper to dispose of his body. Sorry :) [[User:Grievous Prime|--Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 16:56, 16 March 2021 (EDT)

== ''Energon'' Terrorcons ==

Was wondering what you thought about me making [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27/sandbox/Shadowhawk Desert Type|this]] a thing? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 04:37, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
:It works for me. Any chance you can do the same for "Command Jaguar Cosmo Type"? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:41, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
::Sure thing, I'll just make this one live and I'll get started on the other. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 04:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)

== sorry ==

sorry [[User:GobotsFanForever|GobotsFanForever]] ([[User talk:GobotsFanForever|talk]]) 13:06, 1 June 2021 (EDT)

== Combatant ==

I just wanted to apologize if I came off rudely towards you. We had different perspectives and you were right. I'm sorry if I came off as acting in any way other than in good faith of keeping the wiki organized. [[User:TransFormersfan1|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1|talk]]) 16:10, 24 June 2021 (EDT)
:It's alright. No grudges here. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:41, 24 June 2021 (EDT)

== Deleting Others' Messages==

Hey, why'd you go and delete my message on the Hot Shot (Armada) toys talk page thing? I think that that was a tad bit uncalled for. Besides I thought that the talk things were for discussing stuff. I never saw something that said that I couldn't respond to stuff. Mind you, I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, I'm just saying that I never saw it. Also, I hope that I'm not overstepping by asking, but do you even have the authority to remove my post in that sense? I'm asking as I don't know who's in charge on this wiki. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 12:27, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:That conversation was SIX YEARS OLD. It was over. Your replying to it was rather pointless and there is no reason for us to keep such things around. Any user can remove pointless responses to long dead conversations.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:52, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:: Well, I did not realize that then. I mean, I get the point, yeah, it was old, which I honestly did not even realize until after the deletion, but I personally think that deleting it was tad bit overboard. In my opinion, telling the person that posted it to delete it, reminding them that it was an old conversation and to not do that anymore, or just repremanding them in general would've been better. I just think that deleting it rather than repremanding the person is a bit rude. But eh... what do I know? [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:15, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
::: Also, how is a response, comment, or message deemed "pointless" anyway? Like is there a "hard and fast" rule, as they say, or is it just up to the person who reads it? [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:18, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
::::"Pointless" when used above, is only in reference to comments that continue conversations that have not been added to in months or years. ANY comment made today to a conversation that has been quiet since 2015 is pointless. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:48, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
::::: What about the one in the Tantrum G1 talk thing? That had a point, as I was curious. Plus, the people who commented before you were quite helpful, and understanding. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 16:47, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:::::::Can you guys please take this conversation off my talk page? I detailed exactly why I deleted your message in the edit history: "Stop replying to old conversations". That's all there is to it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:55, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:::::::: Sure. I didn't even expect the other person to see this, let alone respond. Plus, I wasn't sure what you meant until after the first message was posted. But either way, you got it, at least from me. I can't speak for the other person. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 16:58, 12 July 2021 (EDT)

== Stop removing good info. ==

Why'd you remove my Blackarachnia (Animated) toy stuff? That's pretty accurate. It covered it in the show. She is "an [[Archa Seven arachnid]] in a black widow-esque variant". So like what's wrong? I get the grammar part, but not the whole content. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 00:45, 9 August 2021 (EDT)
:Saix was right to remove that note. The fictional spider species isn't relevant to the toy design. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:52, 9 August 2021 (EDT)
:: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that it was, given most other toys seem to tend to follow that rule. Like stating the model of vehicle or species of animal, even if fictional, especially so if it's mentioned in canon. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 01:00, 9 August 2021 (EDT)

== What was wrong with my edits? ==

I noticed that you removed my question on [[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking's (Prime)]] talk page, and my edits on [[Primus#Fight.21 Super Robot Lifeform Transformers|Primus' toys]] in regards to the cities. Was there something wrong with them? If so, what? So I can avoid making that mistake in the future, as I only want to help ''improve'' this wiki for others, not ''be'' one of the problems it has. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 12:18, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
:I get an email every time you edit my talk page. Please stop doing that or at least mark your edits as minor. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:46, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
:: Oh. I'm sorry. Also, what about the above things? [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:06, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
::: I didn't even realize that that ''would'', ''could'', or even ''was'' happening. I just read up on that, and understand, or at least think I understand, ''now'', and I'll try to keep that in mind from now on. Thanks for letting me know that that was a problem, and while on the topic of problems, maybe you could, whenever you remove something of mine, explain why, at least if I have made an error in how I edited in some sense, and/or e-mail me about how to fix it in the future, which my e-mail address is on my talk page for purposes like this, and/or even just straight up tell me on my talk page. Because at the end of the day, I want to help improve this wiki, not ruin it for anyone else and/or ruin their hard work. Which I can't do if I don't even know if I am messing something up unknowingly. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:18, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
:::: Which by the way, the whole problem above, is mentioned here: [[Help:Style guide#Always use the summary box]].

== ID number page ==

Can you please stop editing the ID number page? I have a huge edit I wanna save but I can't because of the editing conflicts that will ensue. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 11:54, 19 August 2021 (EDT)
:Apologies. I thought you were still sleeping. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:58, 19 August 2021 (EDT)
::I haven't even gone to bed yet lol. I had about 4 hours worth of work that I was needing to save but it'd probably take another hour or so for me to sort through. It's mostly coding-related. Sipher suggested on Discord to add the insignia bullets which is mainly what I was working on. It's all saved [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27/sandbox/WIP|here]] if you'd like to take a stab at adding it to what you've done? I need sleep, it's like 4 AM here now lol. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 12:12, 19 August 2021 (EDT)

== Capitalization of "bodyscrapper" ==

Hey, I see you've updated the term in many places to start with a capital letter. Looking at pages 3, 7, 16, and 20, it's fully lowercase. Seems to me that it's being treated as a common noun, more of a slang synonym for "bounty hunter" and not a proper noun for a subgroup like "Wrecker", at least at this point in the story. I think we should adhere to the fiction and treat it as a common noun as well. [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 20:51, 26 August 2021 (EDT)
:It was capitalized in various points in the article. I don't care if you make all instances lowercase as long as it's consistent. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:58, 26 August 2021 (EDT)
::Sounds good, I'll run through the wiki and make it consistently lowercase. [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 21:03, 26 August 2021 (EDT)

== Legends Bonus Edition Vol EX ==

There are three volumes involved in Legends comics: the original strips, the Bonus Editions, and the Bonus Edition Extra volumes. Because there are multiple EX volumes, labeling storylinks as "Bonus Edition Vol EX" is not suitably descriptive. It's the equivalent of stating "RID Annual" when there are multiple annuals. For clarity, EX storylinks should be cited as "Bonus Edition EX Greatshot", "Bonus Edition EX Grand Maximus" or "Bonus Edition EX Metroplex" instead of listing all as "Bonus Edition Vol EX". Agreeable? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:06, 9 September 2021 (EDT)
:Forgot to respond to this. I'm more than well aware of how the Legends comics are released and don't agree that this is an actual issue to insist on altering their actual names. None of the Legends pack-ins have "descriptive" names. It's fine and we've lived. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:39, 10 September 2021 (EDT)
::If we were talking about how to label the actual comic pages, I would agree to use the most accurate title from the pack-ins themselves. But the second storylink title after the " | " is to reduce overly long titles and for reference purposes. You don't think it's useful for visitors to know that "Bonus Edition Vol EX" in Fiction sections actually refers to multiple comics? Especially for characters that appear in several Vol EX issues, and so would have identical links going to different places in their Fiction section? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:51, 10 September 2021 (EDT)

==Bent Wing==
I apologize - I misunderstood what you had added to that page, and at first reverted based on that misunderstanding. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:55, 15 September 2021 (EDT)

==Notes==
They aren't frivolous. [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 18:24, 4 February 2022 (EST)

=="mainpic" template use==
Just a heads-up, but that template is really only for character pages with NO visual representation of the character whatsoever. A toy picture is perfectly fine as a main pic until it can be replaced with art. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:27, 14 July 2022 (EDT)

==Notes==
OK thank on clarifying that but why were the rest of my edits removed/undone? [[User:Elitaone|ElitaOne]] ([[User talk:Elitaone|talk]]) 20:17, 19 September 2022 (EDT)

== UK/US issues ==

Hey, don’t mean to disrespect but why are you deleting my edits? I accept the first one might not have been informative enough, I thought the second one was good. Many other US issues talk about this exact topic, and having just read “back from the dead“ I was surprised the continuity issue wasn’t mentioned there. Happy to have your professional feedback. Thanks
[[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 13:59, 11 October 2022 (EDT)
:I removed it because it comes off as a personal fixation for you and not a real continuity error. Furthermore, it's not even the right story where Optimus Prime discovers Megatron's survival; Optimus mentally notes it in "[[Skin Deep]]", and the dialogue there is more than ambiguous enough to cover both continuities. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:36, 11 October 2022 (EDT)
::Personal?… Just trying to make sense of the story for me and for future readers. Skin deep comes after Back from the dead [[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 01:42, 12 October 2022 (EDT)

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Levyshahar: /* UK/US issues */

Interesting that you think she's an Earthling... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 20:24, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
:Well, "Galen Witwicky", so I assumed. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:38, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
::I'm wagering that this involves a human/Nebulon interspecies relationship! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:43, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

==E-Hobby Starscream==
You guys share links from seibertron but if I want to share it from deviantart, that's bad? I mean the user that published those pages in deviantart is E-Hobby's official user page.(I think).--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 11:36, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
:It's not e-Hobby that's putting those pages on DeviantArt. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
::Hmm ok then, but still Seibertron is a fan site too, right?--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 12:16, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

==Joke about Legends Arcee==
If my joke offend you or simply not funny, sorry about that. I'm just joking about sexist tendencies of Japanese culture. In fact, most famous and badass woman transformer only doing cook and wipe Rattrap's ass in this comic.—[[User:MWM|MWM]] ([[User talk:MWM|talk]]) 11:01, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:Don't worry, I'm not angry. I got what you meant with the joke, but it was still iffy, since it's hard for a reader to tell if it's serious or a criticism of the comic. I appreciate that you took the time to uploaded the image! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:12, 21 March 2015 (EDT)

== 3-D Diorama? ==
Say, where did you find these? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:30, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www.tf-base.ru/comics_manga.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:32, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks![[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Ugh...they're all CBR files my computer can't access. Thanks for the link thought. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:::They're just renamed rar files. Change the file extension to .rar and upzip them [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:39, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

== Magmatron ==

Thanks for the back up there. I THOUGHT I remembered it being the standard but didn't want to remove it without checking so I just cleaned up the grammar. Might possibly be put on the page for the toyline itself, but not sure if it is really worth noting.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:30, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

== About the Hero Mashers ==

So I guess while you were putting them where they would go, BotCon's official Andromeda's Facebook page went ahead and made it a seperate cluster from anything before. [https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1128571057169997&id=1099425733417863] [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:51, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

== Sequel series = splinter timelines? ==

Can you show me where this piece of information comes from? I have never heard of this idea before; doesn't it nullify the entire concept of continuities? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:10, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this interpretation, but it doesn't nullify continuity. Series A happens, then series B happens as a sequel to A. A is definitely the past of B, but that doesn't mean B is the future of A. We have several instances of this happening, notably the Marvel G1 continuity. G2, A Distant Time & Place, Regeneration One, and Classics are all explicitly sequels to Marvel US G1, but are mutually incompatible. Hell, Beast Wars (the cartoon) was implicitly a sequel to both Marvel US G1 AND the Sunbow Cartoon. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:21, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::So then the U.S. ''Cybertron'' cartoon is not part of [[Aurex 802.23 Alpha]]? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:23, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:::It is when it is. The events of the US cartoon are completely relevant -if not fundamental- to the rest of the events on this page. Universal streams are not completely separate timelines. They blend and weave into each other and flow from larger sources, like, you know, '''streams'''. A single cartoon can be part of multiple streams AND its own all at the same time. I swear, people just look at "OOH NUMBERS" and forget the accompanying text that gives context to the numbers, and trip over themselves to be soooooooo clever in splitting up shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:33, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::::Well said. And let's be wary of letting the tail wag the dog here. The primary source text should always be, well, primary. Or, in other words, which are you going to believe, your own eyes or something that was published in code in a source book (or in a Japanese Manga with a print run in the hundreds or the like.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:47, 15 May 2015 (EDT)

== Mandarin Names ==

Hello, thanks for adding information. However, please do change the spelling for Taiwanese Mandarin Name because the spelling in Taiwan is different from the Hanyu Pinyin in China. Thanks. :D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:17, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

== Universal streams ==

Looks like we're both working on the same parts of the wiki at the same time. I'll take a break, I have homework anyway. Thanks for fixing up my code. I appreciate the help. (Even if I think you're wrong about Zarak.) --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:47, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== List of characters whose dimensional classification is unknown ==

There's also [[Gaiacross]] and his components. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:07, 27 June 2015 (EDT)

== Shell Game characters ==

If this wiki now accepts that RID Optimus-redeco [[Defensor (OTFCC)|Defensor]] is [[Viron]], then is it alright to do the same to the other "[[Shell Game]]" universe characters? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:36, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

==Regeneration One==

Regeneration One is explicitly a sequel to Marvel G1 continuity and belongs sequentially after it in write-ups. That's how the stories are presented, that's how it was branded, that's how the creators want it, and that's how we've written it up. If you want to rearrange things, make a case on a relevant talk page.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:44, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:You're really imperious for somebody who just started editing two months ago. ("How the creators want it"? Do you have personal correspondence with Furman on wiki organization?) None of the pages you've reverted actually contain Marvel US G1, which Regeneration One is a sequel to. You are linking together fiction that has nothing to do with each other in regard to those characters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:01, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::Sorry, I didn't realize that my tenure wasn't long enough to disagree with a six-month veteran like yourself. It's bizarre to not acknowledge that ReGeneration One and Marvel UK don't spring from the same tree and put leagues of fiction between them. And, if I'm "imperious," what are you? You're constantly changing around organizational elements with no discussion, based on whatever new scheme you've come up with. For someone whose been here well under a year, you certainly have strong opinions. I at least lurked for a long while to get the culture. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:03, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:::There's a difference between disagreement and acting like the authority on wiki organization and article writeups because apparently you're the only one who lurked. "Organizational elements" have frequently changed based on users' whims; section reorganization isn't anything new and the last major one was done purely by two users without input from others. In regards to MUK and RG1, it's not the job of character pages to establish points of continuity that aren't relevant to the actual subject of the article. The various versions of Jhiaxus have absolutely nothing to do with each other and putting them under one "continuity" is a ridiculous pretense with no benefit. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:26, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::::Separating RG1 (and Classics) into their own sections would be a major change to a large number of pages and there's been no discussion about it. If you want to do it, there should be talk first so everyone else knows what's going on. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 21:28, 11 August 2015 (GMT)
::::: And I've asked about it on http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Reorganising_Regeneration_One to see what people think. If it's ayes, then it's off to the edits! [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 23:15, 11 August 2015 (GMT)

==Characters with no confirmed universal origin==

Question... have we not specified [[Ramulus|Longhorn (Universe)]] and [[Sunstorm (Universe)]]? Just want to be sure I'm not missing something. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:26, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:No, I just forgot to update. Sorry! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:27, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you, your list is a handy reference.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:34, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Whilst this is being talked about, it's probably worth noting that RTS Strafe hasn't ''reeeaaaally'' had its universe confirmed - it was merged with G1 Strafe for some convoluted reason during the 'AOE Strafe is a counterpart of G1 Strafe' debacle and probably should've been unmerged after all that nonsense was undone. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:16, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:I'm mostly fine with just assuming he's G1 based on context, but I'd send in a question if you want confirmation. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:30, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Hey, Saix, should ''Universe'' 2003 [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreen (unreleased)]] be on your list as well? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:21, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== BW Metals manga ==

Do you still have the BW Metals manga scans? The links on the talk page are dead. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 16:48, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/0t4p8rcK/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/dWpVVb7v/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ZXqkMXea/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ch91fgKi/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/M6MwWTaV/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/jCLxuohn/file.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:54, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

==Italics==
Hey, man, saw you unitalicizing [[Ask Vector Prime]]. I don't really care one way or the other, but I seem to see it italicized a lot. Is there a policy or system to this? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:06, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
:AVP isn't a work or a franchise, so it doesn't get italicized. It's something like {{w|Dear Abby}}—a column. Chicago style of editing says columns don't get either quotation marks or italics. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:13, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
::That's fine for me going forward. There's a LOT of AVP where it's in italics though. If you're ever feeling like a quest, rooting them all out might be worth doing. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:15, 24 September 2015 (EDT)

==Gong==
Knock it off. It's fine the way it is now. Stop reverting each other. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 12:43, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

You were right. I was wrong. Making all the Guardians and Renegades convinced me of that. I apologize to you for my childishness. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 13:01, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:Not needed, but thank you nonetheless for the apology. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:30, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

== Stealth Bomber ==

I see that you put a redlink to [[Stealth Bomber]] on [[Stealth Saber]] and [[Victory Bomber]]'s pages. Did you intend that someone else would pick that redlink up to create a page for Stealth Bomber or did you think that Stealth Bomber didn't merit an individual page? I've wondered about such a thing as we have an individual page for RiD [[Dreadwing (RID)|Dreadwing]] but not for BWII [[Formation Scream]], G2 Megatron+Starscream, and G2 Dreadwing+Smokescreen. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:31, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
:I think it warrants a page, hence the link. I was just too lazy to make that page in particular. Formation Scream should also get its own page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:57, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

== Disagreements ==

I saw what you wrote on the Community Portal. I can't speak for others but, though we often disagree, I do value your input and perspective. Also, it makes the times we do agree that much more meaningful. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:58, 2 November 2015 (EST)
:Speaking of, there's a contentious GoBots issue on Community Portal, should screen captures be included for character pages or not. I would be interested to hear you weigh in. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:07, 3 November 2015 (EST)

== Devisiun ==
I understand you may not like the speculative tone, but was it really necessary to also delete the plausible explanation that the secondary star may be encased in a [[wikipedia:dyson sphere|Dyson sphere]]? After all, the text clearly refer to a double star and one of the celestial body represented seems to produce a lot of light. (Besides having spot the same color than the "single" star of said same picture.) Damn... I was only trying to be thorough and objective. How could I contact Scott online so that the answer would be considered by this wiki? -- [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 06:11, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:I'm not Saix, but to quote the [[Help:Contents|wiki's main help page]]: "Speculation to fill gaps should be minimized, and preferably eliminated entirely." It's fine to note the inconsistency, but an extended account of possible explanations is unnecessary. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 06:46, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:Understood. Thanks, I'll sleep better now. But I'm still going to run a Tranformers RPG campaign and feel that this question may deserve an answer. So the second part of my inquiry remains. Since I will try to ask, where and how such a thing should be done so that the information could validly be forwarded on this wiki? [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 07:04, 16 December 2015 (EST)
::Scott has Twitter and Tumblr accounts you can engage her on. But, honestly? You're looking for complexity where there isn't any. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:::I have to agree. Most casual sci-fi fans don't know what Dyson spheres are, and the concept has never featured in ''Transformers'', as far as I'm aware. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 09:15, 16 December 2015 (EST)

== Your JG1 timeline list ==

Hey, that list on your user page is awesome and really helpful. Though, the Prime AM-28 Leo Prime bio also contains some JG1 info, set post-BWN before he jumps over to Uniend (or over to Gargent, then Nexus, then finally Uniend, as claimed by AVP, but I digress). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:36, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:Thanks for the reminder. I mostly constructed it so I would have something to check when organizating fiction sections. Let me know if I'm missing anything else. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:31, 18 December 2015 (EST)
::Will do. EDIT: Tale of the Pretenders is missing. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:53, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:The G1 GoBots thing might or might not come before Car Robots in a present day sense as the Spychangers came from the future anyway, so the GoBots bio would simply have to come before whatever point in time the Spychangers traveled back in time from. Though, given how things like Binaltech, RobotMasters, and Kiss Players all take place in the timeline at points contemporary to their releases in the real world, perhaps the G1 GoBots bio does as well, taking place somewhere in 2004 (in hindsight, I wish I had asked Sakamoto about this).
:On a different note, the bios for e-HOBBY New Years Lambor and Alert are missing, which should probably go after G-2 but before the two post-G-2 e-HOBBY manga. Also the bio for Magnificus and Ga'mede and the bio for Generations Magnificus, the latter of which would go prior to Badlands, while the former... somewhere years earlier (not sure where, though). And the bios for e-HOBBY Crosscut and Road Rage, which would most likely go after the Super Spychangers but before Binaltech. Any other missing e-HOBBY bios can be found [http://www.e-hobbymagazine.com/category/english/museun_en here] (barring those that lack links, that is). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:19, 22 April 2016 (EDT)

== Italics in establishment names ==

From what I've researched, I have to agree that establishment names aren't capitalized. However, that's how [[The Blue Deployer]] is rendered in the ''TransTech'' text stories. Think that's worth noting under "Errors"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:16, 19 December 2015 (EST)
:I guess. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:17, 19 December 2015 (EST)

== Just to avoid any edit wars over pastel horses... ==
I understand that the captions are about humor over anything else, but maybe the caption should at least be a ''little'' less confrontational in tone? I'm not against humor in the article itself, but that opening caption's not exactly ''good'' humor. It's more mean-spirited than simple jokeyness that this wiki thrives upon; so I decided that a joke about Bumblebee's kid-appeal nature (and thus perceptiveness to what's popular with kids) would be a bit less potentially divisive overall, and less likely to appear mean-spirited.

I expect that sort of tone in the articles for stuff like B.O.T, The Beast or Kiss Players, the really awful, terrible stuff we ''have'' to rip into pieces because of how bad they are, not an article on My Little Pony. It's kind of like opening, say, a Soundwave article by poking fun at his speech with a disabled joke in his first image caption because of his speech pattern; it's ''easy'' and can get a few laughs, but overall it's just not worth it because not everyone will find such jokes to be really funny. And above all else, I'd like to think that we as a community are above those sorts of cheap jokes just for a few laughs.

Not trying to come off as indignant here, honest. I'm just wondering if maybe the caption joke isn't really good in any capacity. And if a caption isn't funny, then really, we shouldn't defend it just because of longevity. We obviously need the funny to stay, but to ignore potentially valid points just for the sake of a joke seems...well, kind of odd for this Wiki. We're jokey, but nowhere unappropriate have I seen the wiki's captions actually being ''that'' harsh towards a subject.

It's also a jarring shift in tone to go from "Only the dead can know peace from this evil" as an opening caption to "Don't go looking for the Tooth Fairy without it!" as the next caption down the page. They're both aiming for humor, but one's more "Ha-ha look at this silly situation!" and the other is more "Ha-ha let's make a "ponies are evil" joke because it's teh funnies!".

Again, not wanting to look entitled; but I'm curious about why the edit was reverted so quickly. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2015 (EST)

== SPOILERS ==

Please remember to use the Spoiler warning template when adding new material. I just stumbled across information you added to [[Lio Convoy]] about [[Sunrise]] before I had a chance to read it. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 08:56, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:I apologize. I'll try to remember not to do that again. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 8 January 2016 (EST)

== Moving images ==

Sorry about that. I thought it was a more efficient use of space to align the tops of the images with the headers. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:55, 12 January 2016 (EST)

==About Grimlock==
They're both from Viron universes, and both technically part of the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 Robots in Disguise]] continuity.
Someone could be all like, "Wait, I though RID's Grimlock was a big green backhoe. Who's this Dinosaur?"
Imagine if there were two Optimus Primes in one continuity, even if they looked completely different, would it not be within reason to distinct the two from one another?{{unsigned|PsychoShark}}
:Your hypothetical is ridiculous. Explain to me the process in which this situation would arise. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:01, 25 January 2016 (EST)
:Plus the disambig link at the top already exists. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:05, 25 January 2016 (EST)

While going through my talk page, I noticed that PsychoShark mentioned that the [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Grimlock_(Dinobots)&diff=next&oldid=1048629 note] he added to [[Grimlock (Dinobots)]] was based on a similar note from [[Slapper (Dinobots)]]. Seeing as how we've deemed the other one unnecessary, I thought you might want to remove the one on Slapper's page. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 07:44, 7 February 2016 (EST)

== Universal origins list ==

If it's of interest to you for your user page list, I've seen that [[Nitpick]], [[Comet]], [[Beamer (Autobot)|Beamer]], [[NightViper]], [[Kickstart]], [[Heavyfoot]], [[Ironclad]], [[Fastbreak]], [[Aston]], [[Miss-Q]], "[[Kamen Rider Amazon]]", [[Time Limit]], [[Clutch (GoBots)|Clutch]], and [[Warpath (GoBots)|Warpath]] all have indeterminate cluster origin, albeit that they're all intentionally ambiguous and/or their origins are unlikely to ever be revisited. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:57, 27 January 2016 (EST)

== eptitle ==

With screencaps for episodes whose titles have been disambiguated, you can use the "eptitle" parameter to set the text of the link different from the actual link. For example, with [[Volcano (episode)]] from RID, you would put

'''<nowiki>{{RID2001cap|description.|Volcano (episode)|</nowiki>1|eptitle=Volcano}}'''.

Then, the link will show up like this:
[[Volcano (episode)|Volcano]]

Nice work on all that cleanup, by the way. Cheers! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:33, 1 March 2016 (EST)

== Dinosaurs ==

Okay, examples to try and clarify:
*火星 means "Mars". The kanji, treated separately, are literally rendered as "Fire Planet", but still plainly mean "Mars". It's not just being used to "refer" to Mars, it's straight up the name the Japanese give to the celestial body the English call "Mars".
*固定電話 means "Landline Phone". The kanji, treated separately, render as "Hard-determined Electricity-talker".

As demonstrated in the dictionary entries I posted, Japanese dictionaries ''dont'' give readers the symbolic runaround that the Dinoforce pages were using -- they simply treat "Gairyuu" as the word for an Ankylosaurus. I suppose I may be being somewhat oversensitive, but choosing to render Japanese words in a symbolic breakdown like that, contrary to how it's intended to be interpreted, feels a lot like refusing to acknowledge that it even ''has'' words for these concepts, and feels kind of Tarzanesque? I don't feel it's removing information, since to a Japanese speaker, Gairyuu doesn't ''mean'' "Armored Dragon" -- it means Ankylosaurus, just like to an English speaker (or Greek, if you want), Ankylosaurus doesn't "fused lizard", it means a type of dinosaur with an armored back and club tail --fused lizard is just the root of the name.

In addition, while many Japanese names for Dinosaur use "ryuu" in a similar manner to how English uses "saur", "ryuu" itself does not mean dinosaur, nor are dinosaur called "ryuu" -- as with English, they are instead called "恐竜", or "Ferocious dragon". I mean, "-saur" would be a workable translation of "ryuu", no complaints, but as in English "saur" is used to refer to more than just dinosaurs (e.g. Pterosaurs, Plesiosaurs, etc.) And in fact, Pterosaurs and Plesiosaurs include 竜 in their Japanese rendering.

I definitely see the value in retaining the kanji meanings here, especially if that's a thing we're going to be doing with characters like Triceradon, too. But I think we should make it clear that those are the ''root'' of the names, rather than treating the Japanese names as if they don't have specific direct meanings that a Japanese speaker would recognize.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 01:11, 2 March 2016 (EST)

== Image of Comet ==

I see that you have uploaded good quality images from almost every Club story PDF. Is there any reason you haven't got the one of dead [[Comet]] in "[[Withered Hope]]"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 15 March 2016 (EDT)

==Other Decepticons==
Why can't you just leave that link in, it works perfectly well, and dont forget they also are alchemor inmates. I dont see the problem with just having that there. - Junkheap117
:Stop fucking obsessing over this. They are not actual characters, and your overall antics are exhausting my patience. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:57, 21 March 2016 (EDT)

== Blackarachnia talk page ==

I understand talk pages are not chat rooms. The reason I posted that was because the article itself seems to question why the chest is transparent, so I thought that might explain it. I didn't just go and edit the page because I knew it would be undone. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 21:03, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

== Being last seen ==

Here's my take, for what it's worth. A ''good'' write-up is not a list of things that happened one after the other. A good write-up is a story unto itself. It is the story of that character, and it should read as "complete". And when the cartoon or comic adventures of that character stops abruptly - when a character's final appearance is as a face in a crowd and they receive no personal "finale" - then it's the job of the write-up to note that they "were last seen"/"last appeared"/"made their final recorded appearance", etc, to bring that write-up's "story" to its end, instead of, essentially, just stopping in what reads as mid-story. The complete BWII write-up of the Autorollers just stops mid-story. It does not read as complete. At best, a reader's reaction is "Oh, huh, I guess that's it, then," instead of knowing that they are reading an end - but really, an less-informed reader has no reason to assume there isn't more just because there's isn't a stub saying so. We don't always have stubs! There shouldn't be any expectation on the reader to know that storylinked title is the final episode, if it even is. The write-up needs to say this is "the end" for that character. Yes, they return for a cameo in BWN, but that's a separate header. The were "last seen" during the battle on Gaea in that moment. It's no more "out of universe" than describing art or writing errors as "anomalous accounts" or "erroneous reports" is. I'm not getting into an edit war or even fighting to make this change; I'm just saying, it's pretty standard "handbook" write-up terminology, how I write mine, and how I will continue to write them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:05, 25 April 2016 (EDT)

== Hey ==

Here's some more BotCon Diamond bios: http://postimg.org/gallery/7wuis1oc/27b9edf7/ [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:15, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
:Cool, thanks. I'll have a look when I get home. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:37, 1 June 2016 (EDT)

== Can you identify anyone else? ==

So regarding the new in-development Transformers Online, I stumbled across a trailer of some characters and skills in action. Right now, I can only make out Jazz, Bumblebee, and probably Swindle. Can you tell if the rest of the transformers in this video resemble any other character? Thanks! --[[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 19:01, 2 August 2016 (EDT)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFTeBn-BS8

== Dinobot (RID) article ==

the dinobot were reference in prime season 3 were they not? RID 2015 is the sequel to prime is it not. so why are not adding prime to that page. Yes they were only reference. but still though wouldn't it make more sense for that cartoon in that dinobot section. i mean are more a sequel to the game when you stop to think about it. Also there is no evidence supporting the fact were referring to the fall of cybertron version of the dinobots.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 04:29, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
:At the time that Miko and Bulkhead made that reference, the RID Dinobot subspecies didn't even exist yet. There was no way that the Prime cartoon was referencing something that never existed at the time that it made the reference. The FOC Dinobots, however, did exist, and were part of an active attempt to better unify the Aligned media between the games, the tie-in comics, and the Prime cartoon. Miko's and Bulkhead's Dinobots reference only makes sense in regards to the FOC Dinobots since they were only Aligned Dinobots that existed at the time the reference was made. What you're asking is for us to declare Miko's and Bulkhead's reference as having been retconned into referring to a subspecies that would not come into existence until later on, yet there has been no official media that has made such a retcon. We as fans have ZERO authority on such matters and are not going to start declaring our own unofficial retcons for virtually no other reason than "because we want to", as you seem to want us to do. Besides, Bulkhead's referring to Dinobots as something "Totally different" from how the Predacons were like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species makes no sense in regards to the RID Dinobots, since the RID Dinobots for all intents and purposes do very much seem to be like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species while the FOC Dinobots were an artificially-created subgroup that very much does make them totally different from a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 11:19, 12 August 2016 (EDT)

== [[Roboid]] [[Nook]] ==

Isn't it generally TFWiki's practice to ''point out'' Easter eggs, homages, and the like? --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:10, 3 September 2016 (EDT)

== Regarding TFO edits ==

Saix, I know there is currently no official parameter and that it's not within the wiki's obligation to decide upon an arbitrary translation, but some of the transliterations, even by Chinese (BOTH Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese) standards, are just flat out nonsensical and frivolous. I hope you understand that there are multiple ways (via synonyms) to translate the hanzi, and I can speak from experience behind the screen as a bilingual Mandarin-English speaker, and as a professor's teaching assistant in Elementary Chinese irl. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 10:50, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:By transliteration, I assume you actually mean translation? I realize there is leeway in translation to convey the same idea in a different language, but some of your translations were still questionable and played too loose with the meaning of the hanzi, in my opinion. Take 命运之殇 in particular—I don't understand how you derived "war" out of it, unless you were going by Google translate, when it's a straightforward name based on the certain death it supposedly doles out (as opposed to "Destiny's War", which means absolutely nothing). Or how you got "Laser Wrench" from F型扳手. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
I didn't use Google Translate. I consulted with native speaking relatives and peers and utilized Systransoft.com as well as MDBG, which I find for both to be more adequate. Bluestreak's sniper rifle, from the hanzi I recognize, can have synonymous possibilities. Certainly, "Destiny" can be interchanged with "Fate", altho I will admit, the second half of the title can be considered as: "war casualty" or "death" in general. For the second example, there's clearly no resemblance to an actual F-Type Wrench whatsoever, so I find even calling that weapon an "F-Type" in practicality to be redundant. (I've been a workshop assistant for a good year or so, so I've been familiar enough with tools in the shed.) If anything, Wheeljack's Melee weapon is identified as a Pipe Wrench, so shame on Tencent for the misleading name. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 15:19, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:A wiki is not the place for creative "translations" that basically are localizations. If the name is literally "F-type Wrench", then it's F-type Wrench, regardless of how much you think it makes sense. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:39, 14 September 2016 (EDT)

== Deluge ==

first of all, i know the story has deluge as both, but in most universe, he's and his decepticon counterpart are there own individual. i was trying to make that clear to the people reading that story, but you thought i was too stupid to realize that, i mean yes the blackout thing was stupid on my part. but seriously you could have easily edited it to say that this Deluge is a amalgam of both version.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 21:29, 28 December 2016 (EST)

== Missed the joke ==
While I appreciate the effort to correct errors on the page bearing my name ([[Mark Baker-Wright]]), it should be noted that the word "misspelled" was misspelled (as "mispelled") on purpose....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock|talk]]) 18:21, 13 January 2017 (EST) (sorry to get to this so late. I actually don't go around looking at my own page that often)
:Ah, I was using an automated tool that does automatic corrections and wasn't really reading that closely. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:05, 13 January 2017 (EST)

==Model Numbers==
hey, i saw that you undid some of my edits for adding model numbers back into these wiki pages (apologies if i did it wrong!) - but how can we get these reinstated? that information is very useful, and should be on each of the main collection pages...

== Godbomber revision? ==

Why was my info deleted on the godbomber page? - [[User:Asda|Asda]] ([[User talk:Asda|talk]]) 11:28, 28 September 2017 (EDT)

== Don't revert my notes man ==

It's not needless my friend, it's just extra information that many Transformers fans I know would be happy to find on here. Please don't revert people's notes, even if you feel that it's "needless". If anything, I'm '''adding''' notes, not pruning them. Smh.
: Please stop adding notes. They're not good notes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 23:57, 1 January 2018 (EST)
::"Pruning" was what I was doing, and we are not obligated to store every passing thought you have. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 00:05, 2 January 2018 (EST)

== Run For Our Lives ==

Like you, my first instinct when I created the article was to use lower case for "for", as is grammatically correct, but the official title actually leaves it capitalized (see [https://www.go90.com/videos/37rr2B0WBM6 here]). By comparison, other TR episode titles that have conjunctions or articles choose to use lower case as normal ("Aftermath and Rebirth", "At the Last Second", etc.), so the capitalization of For stands out by comparison. Thus, technically, the title was more accurate as it was. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:35, 2 January 2018 (EST)
:I don't consider websites to be particularly authoritative in capitalization, especially when the actual "official title" in the episode itself is "RUN FOR OUR LIVES". People rarely remember every rule about how to capitalize titles, and we don't need to drive ourselves crazy accounting for every mistake some website has in rendering them. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:48, 2 January 2018 (EST)

== SG Fistfight, Insecticons ==

Why did you remove the note about SG Fistfight's deco? Do you dispute that it's true, that it's verifiable, or that it's noteworthy?

It's true that he's orange and black, as verified by [[Transhuman]]. As for it being noteworthy, ''This character has no official visual representation whatsoever... yet, at least'', so shouldn't we at least mention what we know about his physical appearance?

As for his sharing Tyrannitron's deco, G1 Fistfight and Tyrannitron were Action Master partners of opposing factions, just like Skyfall and Banzai-Tron were Action Masters of opposing factions (so SG Skyfall got G1 Banzai-Tron's deco), the Technobots and Terrorcons were combiners of opposing factions (so the SG teams swapped decos), etc. Moreover, G1 Fistfight and Tyrannitron were partnered with Shockwave and a Dinobot, respectively, further emphasizing a rivalry for SG to flip around.

If you look at almost any SG character's article, we typically note what inspired or seems to have inspired that character's deco, even if it is unconfirmed.

Speaking of unconfirmed, why does everyone insist that ''Generation 1 Zaptrap was officially repurposed as Shattered Glass Shrapnel'' if his only appearance colors him like someone else? i'd appreciate your comments [[File_talk:Insecticons_SG.jpg|here]], please.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 04:50, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Crossformers/Pretenders ==

I get that Japan never identified the Crossformers (or the Dinoforce) as Pretenders, but the TransTech story "Gone Too Far" does refer to Black Shadow as both a Crossformer and a Pretender, with Hubcap referring to him as "some kind of ''Pretender''!", Jackpot asking "Who ever heard of a Pretender with a ''robotic'' shell? I hate this universe!", and the narration reading "He had hoped that the Pretender’s focus would be split between controlling both the shell and his own body." Granted, all three of these could arguably be just from the perspective of those two Autobots, using a term that's familiar to them to refer to a kind of Transformer they've never encountered before, but I figured it was at least worth pointing out. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:04, 19 January 2018 (EST)

== Hi! Cylas here. ==

Are you just following me and undoing my (admittedly) "sub-par" edits? Also, if/when you do, could you give a reason? And your comments sometimes hurt my feelings. -[[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User Talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 6:54 PM (MST)

And for your information, Aligned is, according to this wiki, a continuity family. It doesn't have an official name, but go to the family's [[Aligned continuity family|page]] and see for yourself everything that it encompasses. The Covenant of Primus and the Novels and Prime and Robots in Disguise and Rescue Bots and War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 00:11, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
*Edit: I should have actually read the article before I wrote that comment. Yes, the Aligned family has some inconsistencies. Yes, it can be interpreted as several similar universes that don't necessarily line up. But Aligned is still a continuity family, and the inconsistencies are worth noting.
**Edit to the edit: Forgot to sign. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 00:19, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:Okay Saix. I can handle the Novel trilogy as not being in the same universe as Prime. But RID is a ''direct sequel'' to Prime. Okay, maybe my thing with Thunderhoof wasn't good. But that doesn't change the fact that Prime and RID are in the same universe. -[[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:35, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

== Stop undoing my edits ==

You are just removing everything I post at this point, most of them without even stating why. Stop it. This isn't your website. I have just as much right to contribute as you. And I'm allowed to make jokes: rule 1 of this wiki: the funny stays. If you keep doing this, I'm taking it to the moderators.
* Edit: Leave my posts alone. Anything you delete, I'm just going to put back. I've had enough of you trying to bully me off this site. And from the look of this page I'm not the only one.

== Legends chapter 53 ==

I think that the in the top right panel of page 2, the guys protecting Dinobot, Tigatron, and Cheetor are ''Device Label'' Grimlock, ''Prime'' Arcee, and ''Disney Label'' Mickey Mouse. Also Maybe Diabattles with Rhinox? Also possibly Cybertron Optimus in supermode sticking his feet in right above Windblade. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:19, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

== Chinese names ==
Hello,I'm user IDWchromedome.These Chinese names(okay,most) really come from hasbro officials,I admit a few are not,I will be careful later.I have a Chinese Dreamwave Illustrations book.This book is officially licensed by Hasbro,most are written according to that book.and I'm Chinese.As you can see,My English level is very bad,So I don't know you can understand what I'm saying.I hope you can understand,if I offended you,I'm sorry.

== M'Ress ==

I'd just like to take this moment to explicitly thank you for [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=M%27Ress&diff=1288196&oldid=1288175 fixing] my glaring omission from M'Ress's introduction. I don't know how such a mistake escaped my notice. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] ([[User talk:Andrusi|talk]]) 10:10, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

== Could you move all the info for Cyberverse McDonalds to G1 ==

I didn't know the McDonalds toys were G1 not Cyberverse. Could you move all those McDonalds entries from the Cyberverse pages to G1 pages then? Be sure to edit any pictures and the fast food promotion and McDonalds page as well. Or you can just wait until later where I'll probably do it, I dunno. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:41, 13 October 2018 (EDT)

== Why remove the new section in Twelve-of-Twelve? ==

Just wondering why you'd change it. In character synopsis articles we usually break up the character's history into smaller sections. In this case, literal millions of years have passed between the Lost Light's adventures in the Functionist universe and the arrival of Council-controlled Primus in the main universe. If anything necessitates the addition of a new section, it's this. Is the article just not long enough to be split up? Or is there some other reason?

Also, I'd like to bring your attention to my questions on the [[Talk:Functionist Council|Functionist Council talk page]]. Is it okay to copy-paste that same paragraph in the other members' articles? [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 13:54, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
:Because we don't "usually" do that; only in long IDW subartciles, which Twelve isn't. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:08, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
::Okay, that's what I thought. What about my second question? [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 14:48, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
==Why did you change the acid storm (Cyberverse) page==
the discussion agree that till thing are sorted out we try gender-neutral pronoun (Like what Simon Furman did). yes there was the episode but that could have been a script error.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 17:26, 29 October 2018 (EDT)

== Legal drinking age ==

Nope. Wyoming did not raise its drinking age until 1 July 1988 while Louisiana had raised its but had enacted a loophole that basically left the age at 18. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:59, 23 April 2019 (EDT)

== BW Megatron edits ==

Hi, I'd just like to apologize for overfixating on sneaking in complaints about Masterpiece Megatron's Japanese voicebox. I made the mistake of thinking that the wiki's informal tone gives people leave to treat it like a TV Tropes YMMV page, and I based most of those edits on YouTube comments that I saw that affirmed my own opinion at the time (that is, that the Japanese voice box drives the price up merely to affirm that the toy represents a wackier and less threatening version of the character that is absolutely not my literal David Kaye-voiced husbando).

I should absolutely find other things to edit, to focus on useful information (such as poseability, objective comparisons between figures, etc.) rather than using the wiki to vent my salt boner. (As for my previous opinion, I'm starting to realize that Chiba's voice clips probably didn't inflate Megs' price ''that'' much, since MP Dinobot comes with no sound gimmick and is nearly as expensive.) --[[User:Samus Aran|Samus Aran]] ([[User talk:Samus Aran|talk]]) 00:36, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

== RBA and Prime Hot Shot ==

Hey, OK sorry if I made that change, but the new Hot Shot is small and young (maybe one of the cybertronians born after the core's rebirth. So, please, he's obviously a separate character from Prime Hot Shot.
[[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]) 17:57, 03 June 2019
: He's not for our categorization purposes. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:22, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
::Oh really? Aren't also Grimlock, Sideswipe and Whirl for your categorization purposes? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]) 08:42, 04 June 2019
:::We have official material that states those three are entirely different characters from the ones that appeared in WFC/Prime. Just think of Hot Shot's Prime design as a different "version" of the same character, like G1 Megatron in the comics versus G1 Megatron in the cartoon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:28, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
::::I agree with RoboWarrior. Hot Shot and Whirl are almost identical situations of pre-existing veteran Wreckers being distinct from new recruits in Rescue Bots Academy. And the original decisions to split Grimlock, Sideswipe, and Kickback were not based on word from "official material". Not sure where you got that from. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:38, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
Please hash it out on [[Talk:Hot Shot (Prime)]]. My issue was that somebody came out of nowhere and split a page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:52, 4 June 2019 (EDT)

== Transmutate (character) to Transmutate (G1) ==

Thanks for catching that one. Given how rarely non-characters have franchise tag disambiguations as opposed to "story", "episode", "polity", etc., I felt that we were more likely doing a disservice to our users by insisting on not giving Paddles the (G1) disambig. I hadn't even noticed that the same situation applied to Transmutate. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:47, 13 September 2019 (EDT)

==Transformers references==

I was looking for someone to ask: when is something a reference, then? I was operating under the impression that something like, say, ''Cyberverse'' Shockwave threatens to take over the Decepticons when nearly every cartoon version of the character has been a staunch loyalist (except for ''Energon'' Shockblast) would be surprising to people who don't know about the character's comic history.

== Solid Snake and Simon Belmont ==

I was going to add a note about Snake and Simon ending up in another fighting game together, but stopped after seeing the edit history. You stated that "Now that it's not a unique thing, it's not worth noting." To my understanding, they're the only two characters who have articles on this wiki that ended up in ''Smash Bros.'', especially since they both ended up in the same game. What is it about this that makes it not unique or unnoteworthy as trivia? I'm not necessarily against the decision, but am curious about the reason. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 16:01, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
:[[Ryu]], [[Ken Masters|Ken]] and [[Inkling]] are playable in Smash too. And [[Bomberman]] is an assist trophy. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:09, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
::That and it's not really a trivia point relevant to ''Transformers''. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:44, 8 October 2019 (EDT)

== Super Megatron notes ==

Stuck on mobile right now, so I cant really do it myself, but, several notes:

1. I think the "native humanoids" are younger versions of White Leo and White Lune

2. The "Omega Sentinel"'s details match up more with Titans Return Astrotrain more than Energon Omega's mold [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:32, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:Thanks for catching the Astrotrain thing. I'm waiting till the comic confirms that the cat people are Beastformers, because the details don't match up just yet. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:00, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
::One more thing; should the Frenzy/Rumble mold just go on Frenzy's page, seeing as it's almost certainly not JG1 Frenzy, and that he's based more on the toy than the animation model? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:15, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:::I approached it from the Japanese perspective, so I just put him on the page with blue cartoon guy, but I suppose it doesn't really matter where. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:26, 8 April 2020 (EDT)

== About official Chinese release ==

Excuse me. 黑狗队/HēiGǒuDuì was a translated Chinese name and in an official Chinese release of the comic. So...can it be added?

== Why shouldn’t I blank out the talk page on my own profile? ==

The entire thing was nothing but condescension from jerks. I took their points to heart a long time ago, and I was tired of looking at them. {{unsigned|Phil Bond}} 02:25, 1 September 2020 (EDT)
:It's [[Transformers Wiki:User page#User page etiquette|against site policy]]. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 03:12, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

== Kudos on the cleanup ==

You da Cybertronian on the BWII cleanup! --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 17:44, 11 September 2020 (EDT)

== New jokes, not edited ones. ==

Just for the record, I didn't edit an existing joke. I edited my OWN joke that was new to begin with. There was nothing there to begin with.
In fact, I'd say Mirage's page was shockingly absent of captions for such an iconic, long-standing character really. [[User:MirageX|MirageX]] ([[User talk:MirageX|talk]]) 18:31, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
:Check the message. It says not to add more jokes if you haven't already been contributing actual content to the wiki. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:42, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
Check Mirage's page now. I've written up a partial stub of his WFC Siege storyline. I intend to finish it once I watch the rest of the episodes tonight, possibly tomorrow. It's not the easiest thing to watch, but I'll do it if it means contributing so I'm not chastised for adding missing captions. [[User:MirageX|MirageX]] ([[User talk:MirageX|talk]]) 19:50, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
:Look, are you making contributions because you want to actually improve the wiki, or are you only doing it so you have an excuse to add captions? Because like was said on your talk page, the site is meant to be informative first and funny second. If the real reason you're here is just so you can add jokes, you're probably better off going elsewhere. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:28, 22 October 2020 (EDT)

== A request ==

Hey, would you be able to help me out in figuring out what the Japanese names of the Great Transformation are? When Optimus mentions it in Episode 26's Japanese dub, I can hear him say 素晴らしい変化 (''subarashī henka''), which makes sense. But in Episode 1's Japanese dub, I can't tell exactly what the Oracle is saying due to its voice being so echo-y. I can hear the second part of the name as トランスフォーム (''toransufōmu''), but I can't quite make out what the first part is. [https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2216607 Here's a video] containing the scene in question, with the specific line of dialogue being around the 5:25 mark. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 09:41, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
:I am not good at listening to spoken Japanese, so I'm not of much help. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:43, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
::Thanks anyway. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:32, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

== Can you please tell me the source? ==

I could not find the source that [[Bonecrusher (BW)|Bone Crusher]] was sold under the name Bone Crush (ボーンクラッシュ) when it was imported to Japan.
Can you please tell me the source?
--[[User:CATBBA|CATBBA]] ([[User talk:CATBBA|talk]]) 14:05, 4 December 2020 (EST)
:[https://twitter.com/syncson/status/1200028057051910146 This tweet] has an advertisement that lists the names. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:09, 4 December 2020 (EST)
::Thank you. However, this is not an official product list, but an advertisement created by the dealers themselves. It may not be the official name.　It seems to me that the names were deliberately changed or misspelled to reduce the number of characters, especially with respect to the Bone Crusher. Also, I don't know what the standard is for names in the Beast Wars Universe or Transformers Generations to be no good and for names in the Beast Wars Perfect Book to be okay.--[[User:CATBBA|CATBBA]] ([[User talk:CATBBA|talk]]) 14:39, 4 December 2020 (EST)
:::I can't find pictures of the Takara stickers for Bonecrush/Bonecrusher, so this is the best we have to go on. In regards to Perfect Book, the difference is that it is placing the characters in a Japanese context and giving us original fictional details as opposed to Beast Wars Universe and Beast Generations, which are just describing Hasbro product. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:31, 4 December 2020 (EST)
::::Although it seems Perfect Book is also just describing Hasbro product, the different names given to the McDonald's toys are worth noting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:08, 4 December 2020 (EST)

== reason for revert? ==

i addressed the errors on the Lightspeed and Nosecone disambiguation pages, and explained them in my [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Lightspeed_%28disambiguation%29&diff=1471508&oldid=1471462 edit] [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Nosecone_%28disambiguation%29&diff=1471507&oldid=1471463 summaries.] Why did you revert to the incorrect versions?

[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 00:11, 26 December 2020 (EST)

== Fixing links ==

While I appreciate your efforts changing links, I just put in requests for Teletraan-X to do it. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 23:40, 4 January 2021 (EST)

== United EX names ==

There's a couple of guys who don't have their United EX names in Katakana: I think Detritus, Roadblock, Grindcore, Gravedigger, and Clouder are all the ones that need it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:02, 10 January 2021 (EST)
: (Also, Von Rani and Krieger need their names from Binaltech). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:06, 10 January 2021 (EST)
::Added. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:30, 10 January 2021 (EST)
::: Thanks. Also, for whatever reason, RID 15 Sideswipe is missing his Japanese name. I assume it's Sideswipe still, but just in case. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:34, 10 January 2021 (EST)
:::: Got another group: the guys who get named in Solar Requiem. Presumably, it's those who get named in English as well. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 08:50, 14 January 2021 (EST)

A couple of the Siege/Earthrise guys (Trip-Up and Daddy-O, at least) need their Japanese names added in. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:26, 22 January 2021 (EST)

== Is your name a reference to... ==

:...[[Backstop_(Cybertron)#Notes|Saidos]] / [[Rhinox|Rhino X]]?
:...the {{w|Sai (weapon)|''sai''}} dagger?
:...the Spanish number ''[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dos#Spanish dos]'' / the {{w|Roman numeral|Roman numeral}} ''[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/diez#Spanish diez?]'' ({{w|homophone|Nine}}? [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nein Nein?)]

Just curious.

[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 01:03, 30 January 2021 (EST)
:It's a Kingdom Hearts character. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:04, 30 January 2021 (EST)
::As he said, [https://www.khwiki.com/Sa%C3%AFx]. I was playing ''Kingdom Hearts 2.5'' at the time I signed up for my account. I could probably pick a better name now, but I don't really care enough to change it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:06, 30 January 2021 (EST)

== Big Convoy in Abduction ==

[[File:BigConvoyAbduction.jpg|thumb|100px]]
I think this is most likely Big Convoy.

There are only two other characters that share his silholuette. Nemesis and Ultra Mammoth. However;

* Nemesis Prime is a herald of Unicron, so he shouldn't be imprisoned in the Cauldron. Though there is a chance it is an early appearance still, I guess.

*Ultra Mammoth hadn't been created yet.

It's either Big Convoy or an early appearance of Nemesis Prime.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:24, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
:It's still just speculation. As the other silhouettes in other panels share a similar design (horns and spiked kibble parts), it could go either way. If the artist can confirm that it's Big or any of his repaints, then we can work from that, but as it stands, it's not enough to go off of. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:22, 16 March 2021 (EDT)

== Legends comic image + Blurr ==

Yes, I'm aware of the events of The return of Blurr; but considering that ''Legends'' is a Japanese comic, I just made a joke about the fact that in Japan the last time somebody saw Blurr was in the cartoon itself, when (after killing him) Shockwave orders to Cliffjumper to dispose of his body. Sorry :) [[User:Grievous Prime|--Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 16:56, 16 March 2021 (EDT)

== ''Energon'' Terrorcons ==

Was wondering what you thought about me making [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27/sandbox/Shadowhawk Desert Type|this]] a thing? [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 04:37, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
:It works for me. Any chance you can do the same for "Command Jaguar Cosmo Type"? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:41, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
::Sure thing, I'll just make this one live and I'll get started on the other. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 04:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)

== sorry ==

sorry [[User:GobotsFanForever|GobotsFanForever]] ([[User talk:GobotsFanForever|talk]]) 13:06, 1 June 2021 (EDT)

== Combatant ==

I just wanted to apologize if I came off rudely towards you. We had different perspectives and you were right. I'm sorry if I came off as acting in any way other than in good faith of keeping the wiki organized. [[User:TransFormersfan1|TransFormersfan1]] ([[User talk:TransFormersfan1|talk]]) 16:10, 24 June 2021 (EDT)
:It's alright. No grudges here. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:41, 24 June 2021 (EDT)

== Deleting Others' Messages==

Hey, why'd you go and delete my message on the Hot Shot (Armada) toys talk page thing? I think that that was a tad bit uncalled for. Besides I thought that the talk things were for discussing stuff. I never saw something that said that I couldn't respond to stuff. Mind you, I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, I'm just saying that I never saw it. Also, I hope that I'm not overstepping by asking, but do you even have the authority to remove my post in that sense? I'm asking as I don't know who's in charge on this wiki. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 12:27, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:That conversation was SIX YEARS OLD. It was over. Your replying to it was rather pointless and there is no reason for us to keep such things around. Any user can remove pointless responses to long dead conversations.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:52, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:: Well, I did not realize that then. I mean, I get the point, yeah, it was old, which I honestly did not even realize until after the deletion, but I personally think that deleting it was tad bit overboard. In my opinion, telling the person that posted it to delete it, reminding them that it was an old conversation and to not do that anymore, or just repremanding them in general would've been better. I just think that deleting it rather than repremanding the person is a bit rude. But eh... what do I know? [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:15, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
::: Also, how is a response, comment, or message deemed "pointless" anyway? Like is there a "hard and fast" rule, as they say, or is it just up to the person who reads it? [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:18, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
::::"Pointless" when used above, is only in reference to comments that continue conversations that have not been added to in months or years. ANY comment made today to a conversation that has been quiet since 2015 is pointless. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:48, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
::::: What about the one in the Tantrum G1 talk thing? That had a point, as I was curious. Plus, the people who commented before you were quite helpful, and understanding. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 16:47, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:::::::Can you guys please take this conversation off my talk page? I detailed exactly why I deleted your message in the edit history: "Stop replying to old conversations". That's all there is to it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:55, 12 July 2021 (EDT)
:::::::: Sure. I didn't even expect the other person to see this, let alone respond. Plus, I wasn't sure what you meant until after the first message was posted. But either way, you got it, at least from me. I can't speak for the other person. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 16:58, 12 July 2021 (EDT)

== Stop removing good info. ==

Why'd you remove my Blackarachnia (Animated) toy stuff? That's pretty accurate. It covered it in the show. She is "an [[Archa Seven arachnid]] in a black widow-esque variant". So like what's wrong? I get the grammar part, but not the whole content. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 00:45, 9 August 2021 (EDT)
:Saix was right to remove that note. The fictional spider species isn't relevant to the toy design. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:52, 9 August 2021 (EDT)
:: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought that it was, given most other toys seem to tend to follow that rule. Like stating the model of vehicle or species of animal, even if fictional, especially so if it's mentioned in canon. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 01:00, 9 August 2021 (EDT)

== What was wrong with my edits? ==

I noticed that you removed my question on [[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking's (Prime)]] talk page, and my edits on [[Primus#Fight.21 Super Robot Lifeform Transformers|Primus' toys]] in regards to the cities. Was there something wrong with them? If so, what? So I can avoid making that mistake in the future, as I only want to help ''improve'' this wiki for others, not ''be'' one of the problems it has. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 12:18, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
:I get an email every time you edit my talk page. Please stop doing that or at least mark your edits as minor. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:46, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
:: Oh. I'm sorry. Also, what about the above things? [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:06, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
::: I didn't even realize that that ''would'', ''could'', or even ''was'' happening. I just read up on that, and understand, or at least think I understand, ''now'', and I'll try to keep that in mind from now on. Thanks for letting me know that that was a problem, and while on the topic of problems, maybe you could, whenever you remove something of mine, explain why, at least if I have made an error in how I edited in some sense, and/or e-mail me about how to fix it in the future, which my e-mail address is on my talk page for purposes like this, and/or even just straight up tell me on my talk page. Because at the end of the day, I want to help improve this wiki, not ruin it for anyone else and/or ruin their hard work. Which I can't do if I don't even know if I am messing something up unknowingly. [[User:Beetle Bug|Beetle Bug]] ([[User talk:Beetle Bug|talk]]) 15:18, 17 August 2021 (EDT)
:::: Which by the way, the whole problem above, is mentioned here: [[Help:Style guide#Always use the summary box]].

== ID number page ==

Can you please stop editing the ID number page? I have a huge edit I wanna save but I can't because of the editing conflicts that will ensue. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 11:54, 19 August 2021 (EDT)
:Apologies. I thought you were still sleeping. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:58, 19 August 2021 (EDT)
::I haven't even gone to bed yet lol. I had about 4 hours worth of work that I was needing to save but it'd probably take another hour or so for me to sort through. It's mostly coding-related. Sipher suggested on Discord to add the insignia bullets which is mainly what I was working on. It's all saved [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27/sandbox/WIP|here]] if you'd like to take a stab at adding it to what you've done? I need sleep, it's like 4 AM here now lol. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 12:12, 19 August 2021 (EDT)

== Capitalization of "bodyscrapper" ==

Hey, I see you've updated the term in many places to start with a capital letter. Looking at pages 3, 7, 16, and 20, it's fully lowercase. Seems to me that it's being treated as a common noun, more of a slang synonym for "bounty hunter" and not a proper noun for a subgroup like "Wrecker", at least at this point in the story. I think we should adhere to the fiction and treat it as a common noun as well. [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 20:51, 26 August 2021 (EDT)
:It was capitalized in various points in the article. I don't care if you make all instances lowercase as long as it's consistent. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:58, 26 August 2021 (EDT)
::Sounds good, I'll run through the wiki and make it consistently lowercase. [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 21:03, 26 August 2021 (EDT)

== Legends Bonus Edition Vol EX ==

There are three volumes involved in Legends comics: the original strips, the Bonus Editions, and the Bonus Edition Extra volumes. Because there are multiple EX volumes, labeling storylinks as "Bonus Edition Vol EX" is not suitably descriptive. It's the equivalent of stating "RID Annual" when there are multiple annuals. For clarity, EX storylinks should be cited as "Bonus Edition EX Greatshot", "Bonus Edition EX Grand Maximus" or "Bonus Edition EX Metroplex" instead of listing all as "Bonus Edition Vol EX". Agreeable? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:06, 9 September 2021 (EDT)
:Forgot to respond to this. I'm more than well aware of how the Legends comics are released and don't agree that this is an actual issue to insist on altering their actual names. None of the Legends pack-ins have "descriptive" names. It's fine and we've lived. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:39, 10 September 2021 (EDT)
::If we were talking about how to label the actual comic pages, I would agree to use the most accurate title from the pack-ins themselves. But the second storylink title after the " | " is to reduce overly long titles and for reference purposes. You don't think it's useful for visitors to know that "Bonus Edition Vol EX" in Fiction sections actually refers to multiple comics? Especially for characters that appear in several Vol EX issues, and so would have identical links going to different places in their Fiction section? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:51, 10 September 2021 (EDT)

==Bent Wing==
I apologize - I misunderstood what you had added to that page, and at first reverted based on that misunderstanding. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:55, 15 September 2021 (EDT)

==Notes==
They aren't frivolous. [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 18:24, 4 February 2022 (EST)

=="mainpic" template use==
Just a heads-up, but that template is really only for character pages with NO visual representation of the character whatsoever. A toy picture is perfectly fine as a main pic until it can be replaced with art. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:27, 14 July 2022 (EDT)

==Notes==
OK thank on clarifying that but why were the rest of my edits removed/undone? [[User:Elitaone|ElitaOne]] ([[User talk:Elitaone|talk]]) 20:17, 19 September 2022 (EDT)

== UK/US issues ==

Hey, don’t mean to disrespect but why are you deleting my edits? I accept the first one might not have been informative enough, I thought the second one was good. Many other US issues talk about this exact topic, and having just read “back from the dead“ I was surprised the continuity issue wasn’t mentioned there. Happy to have your professional feedback. Thanks
[[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 13:59, 11 October 2022 (EDT)
:I removed it because it comes off as a personal fixation for you and not a real continuity error. Furthermore, it's not even the right story where Optimus Prime discovers Megatron's survival; Optimus mentally notes it in "[[Skin Deep]]", and the dialogue there is more than ambiguous enough to cover both continuities. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:36, 11 October 2022 (EDT)
::Personal?… [[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 01:42, 12 October 2022 (EDT)

User talk:Saix

2022-10-11T17:59:07Z

Levyshahar: /* UK/US issues */

User talk:Saix

2022-10-11T17:58:46Z

Levyshahar: /* UK/US issues */ new section

Back from the Dead

2022-10-11T16:59:35Z

Levyshahar: Second attempt at showing inconsistency between us and uk continuities

{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (US)]] #56
|prev=The Interplanetary Wrestling Championship!
|next=The Resurrection Gambit!
|title="Back from the Dead"
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|''The Transformers'' (UK)]] #240–242
|prev2=A Savage Place!
|next2=Out to Lunch!
|image=MarvelUS-56.jpg
|caption=Oh boy! ''More'' Micromasters!
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]
|date=May [[1989]]
|coverdate=September 1989
|story=[[Simon Furman]]
|pencils=[[José Delbo]]
|inks=[[Dave Hunt]]
|color=[[Nelson Yomtov|Nel Yomtov]]
|letters=[[Jim Massara]]
|editing=[[Don Daley]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
}}
'''Some British guy starts writing the title. This won't last...'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Zombiesbackfromthedead.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Blaster's not dead, he's just a Headmaster!]]
In [[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]]'s nightmares, the dead walk. Because he has failed to restore them to life, they have become the un-life, and thirst for his life. As the scrambling corpses pile over him, Ratchet decides he deserves to die for his failure, and gives in to his attackers as they violently—RATCHET!!

Suddenly, he startles awake. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] has come into the medical bay and shaken Ratchet out of involuntary systems shut-down. Prime has been desperate to replenish his ranks after [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]]'s rampage through their forces, but he starts to realize how much of an effect the stress has had on Ratchet. He orders the surgeon to take some downtime, but worries his demand for troops might have already damaged Ratchet's sanity. Ratchet, in turn, shows that he has hardly been comforted by Prime's pep-talk, and laments the lack of any real advanced medical technology, like he's heard exists on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] now.

Meanwhile, on that very planet, a mysterious figure is addressing the [[Micromaster]] [[Sports Car Patrol]]. As these tiny [[Decepticon]]s demonstrate they are ready for their covert mission and show off their faction-switching insignias, the figure contacts his other agents on [[Earth]], the [[Air Strike Patrol]], and tells them to begin their part of the mission.

The Air Strike Patrol stages an attack at [[MacDill Air Force Base]], taking the humans hostage while making empty demands for the [[B-204|new mid-air refueling jet]] being unveiled. Unknown to all involved, their only true purpose is to get the [[Autobot]]s' attention. They succeed. Despite their low numbers, Optimus Prime feels compelled to gather a strike team and take a shuttle down to Earth to defend the humans.

With the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] virtually deserted, the Sports Car Patrol teleports in using a new [[trans-time dimensional portal]]. Working from a nearby circuit panel, [[Blackjack (G1)|Blackjack]] reprograms some crucial systems to give him remote control over the fallen Autobots. He animates them and provides a voice in order to physically and psychologically batter Ratchet into submission. With his recent nightmares coming to life around him, Ratchet almost submits to his attackers, but manages to shake loose his guilt and fight back. He breaks free and prepares to hit the emergency cut-off switch to short-circuit the "zombies", but hesitates at doing any more damage to their systems.

Fortunately for Ratchet, the choice is taken out of his hands. Blackjack's psychological torture was supposed to force Ratchet to tear apart his fallen comrades with his bare hands in order to survive, breaking him mentally. Instead, the Micromaster is forced to shut down the reanimates before they kill Ratchet, and he ceases to be of any use. Time for Plan B. Stepping out of the shadows, Blackjack and friends introduce themselves as the Autobot Sports Car Patrol. Claiming to be on their way back to Cybertron, the Micromasters offer to take Ratchet with them and let him make use of their shiny new med-tech.

Ready to jump at the chance, Ratchet quickly attempts to contact Optimus Prime and receive permission. Static on the line prevents him from getting through, however. Ratchet decides to go to Cybertron anyway, and brings the bodies of [[Jazz (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Jazz]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]], and [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] with him to be the first revitalized. He immediately realizes his mistake when the Patrol leaves Blackjack behind on the Ark, though, and his suspicions are confirmed when the Micromasters turn their guns on him as they rematerialize. Whatever worries he had, they are soon trumped by the arrival of his old nemesis... [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Jazz (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Jazz]] (1)
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (2)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] (4)
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] (5)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]] (6)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (7)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (8)
*[[Sludge (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Sludge]] (9)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]] (20)
*[[Getaway]] (21)
|c2=
*[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] (10)
*[[Detour (G1)|Detour]] (11)
*[[Hyperdrive (Micromaster)|Hyperdrive]] (12)
*[[Blackjack (G1)|Blackjack]] (13)
*[[Road Hugger (G1)|Road Hugger]] (14)
*[[Tailwind (G1)|Tailwind]] (15)
*[[Whisper (G1)|Whisper]] (16)
*[[Nightflight (G1)|Nightflight]] (17)
*[[Storm Cloud (G1)|Storm Cloud]] (18)
|c3=
*General [[James Campbell]] (19)
}}

==Quotes==
"Hah! We finally find a use for you, Ratchet, and what happens, eh? '''You blow it!''' Starscream wrecked us, and all you had to do was put us back together!" 
"Only -- you ''failed!'' We're still dead... and i's all your fault! Somehow it seems only fitting --" 
"--''that we tear you limb from limb!''"
:— dream versions of '''Grimlock''', '''Goldbug''' and '''Blaster''' give us a peek inside Ratchet's troubled subconscious

"Yo, Tailwind -- where you gone?" 
"Get real fleshlings... and get us what we want -- '''now!'''" 
"Chill out, 'cons."
:— various lines of totally radical dialogue demonstrate to the reader that the '''Micromasters''' are hep to the Earth lingo

"Decepticons! I am Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots! Surrender... or face the consequences!" 
"Before I tell him to go shove it up his reactor linkage, want to put a call through to Scorponok, telling him we're under attack from Autobots?"
:—'''Optimus Prime''''s threats merit only a sarcastic aside from '''Nightflight'''

"How can they be functioning? '''I''' didn't fix them yet! Well, no time to figure that out right now... gotta hit the emergency cut-off switch, short-out the repair bay's systems and.... end whatever slim chance of survival my fallen comrades have! '''Wait!''' I can't sacrifice their lives for mine! In the final analysis... I'm '''expendable!'''"
:— '''Ratchet''', already laying the seeds for the failure of Megatron's plans

"No! It-it can't be you... you're dead!" 
"Sadly for you, Ratchet, today is the day the dead walk... and '''''MEGATRON''''' lives again!"
:—'''Ratchet''' is witness to the grand return of '''Megatron'''

==Notes==
===Artwork and technical errors===
[[File:DelboAirStrikePatrolSwipe1.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Well, at least he got a little creative with Tailwind's arms...]]
*For [[Whisper (G1)|Whisper]] and [[Tailwind (G1)|Tailwind's]] first appearance in [[robot mode]] on page 7, [[José Delbo]] swiped their poses from the [[package art]] for the [[Micromaster]] [[Air Strike Patrol]], with the exception of Tailwind's arms, which are swiped from the package art for his teammate [[Nightflight (G1)|Nightflight]] instead.
*There are several errors on page 4. It is apparently supposed to be Road Hugger who says "Right on!", as the next text bubble suggests, and Blackjack discussing the need for subtlety and sneakiness in that panel and the next. Also, the text bubble about what Blackjack excels in would make more sense switched with the one about changing their symbols.
*There are a few problems with page 15 as well. The third panel seems to suggest Road Hugger remains on the Ark. Also, Ratchet asks "Why aren't ''they'' coming with us?", but only Blackjack is actually left behind. This would be corrected to "isn't ''he''" for the IDW Classics reprint.
*On the last page, Yomtov colored one of Ratchet's hands red and the other one black. Way to go, Nel. This would be corrected for the IDW Classics reprint.
*Blaster's corpse is consistently drawn with a damaged left arm, yet when he was killed in US issue [[Dark Star|#50]] (which was also penciled by Delbo) he only had a chest wound.
*The B-204 aircraft has some...''questionable'' design issues, covered on its page, but also some art goofs as well: the {{w|United States military aircraft national insignia|national insignia}} on the wing and fuselage are both wrong, and in two different ways! The fuselage insignia has the red bars on either side of the star as the ''only'' bars present instead of the white-red-white stripes they're supposed to be, while the wing insignia omits the red bar entirely...which would be accurate for a ''World War II'' aircraft.

===Continuity errors===
*Even assuming he got suspicious at the end, Ratchet is not very bright. Someone reanimates the fallen Autobots by remote control and turns them against him, then, out of nowhere, some Transformers he's never seen before step out of the hallway and offer to take him on a magical journey. Right—when was the last time you EVER saw an Autobot wearing purple?

===Continuity notes===
*The inactive bodies of [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], Goldbug, [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], Jazz, [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], Grimlock, and [[Sludge (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Sludge]] are shown in Ratchet's workshop.
*Ratchet states that "thirty, maybe forty" Autobots are in repair bay. The Ark's crew, pre-''Steelhaven'', numbered 52 known 'bots (discounting a few art errors.) 26 of them (plus 5 Technobots from the ''Steelhaven'' crew) fell to Starscream on-panel back in "[[Dark Star|#50]]". 2 are still up and around, leaving 24 unaccounted for (and making Ratchet's numbers probably on the low side.)
**Both Prime and Getaway state how hard-up they are for troops. Only 22 Autobots are confirmed active on the Ark at this point.
*This is the fourth and the last time Powermaster Optimus Prime is seen in his smaller robot form.
*Starscream's devastation of the Autobot forces occurred in US issue #50.
*Megatron installing flip-change faction symbols on his minions is suitably ironic, as [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]] had the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] use the same trick on him in US issue [[Gone but Not Forgotten!|#25]].
*Ratchet's attempt to contact Optimus Prime will be shown from Prime's perspective next issue.
*If you believe in the US/UK combined comic universe, you might find it hard to reconcile why Prime is surprised that Megatron is alive, having just recently fought against him in the Time Wars.

===Real-life references===
*TBD

===UK printing===
'''Issue #240:'''
*'''Additional ''Transformers'' story:''' "[[Out to Lunch!]]"
*'''Other strips:''' ''[[Action Force (comic)|Action Force]]'' - "Beginnings... and Endings" and ''[[Combat Colin]]''
'''Issue #241:'''
*'''Additional ''Transformers'' story:''' "[[Rage!]]"
*'''Other strips:''' ''Action Force'' - "Evasion" and ''Combat Colin''
'''Issue #242:'''
*'''Additional ''Transformers'' story:''' "[[Assault on the Ark!]]"
*'''Other strips:''' ''Action Force'' - "Evasion" and ''Combat Colin''

===Other trivia===
*This is the first US series issue scripted by [[Simon Furman]], who took over the run from [[Bob Budiansky]]. He'd been warned that with sales down, the comic probably wouldn't last much longer so Furman deliberately went "bigtime" to retain readers and bringing Megatron back (for US readers) was a deliberate part of this. <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vpunNgHR4M The Great Derelict] 50:05 in</ref>
*Likewise, the [[Dan Reed]] cover of this issue marks the first time a UK Transformers artist would provide original material for the US comic. Reed would later be followed on the book by true Brits [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Andrew Wildman]].
*''[[The Transformers Universe|Transformers Universe]]'' profiles for [[Battletrap (G1)|Battletrap]], [[Blot (G1)|Blot]], [[Cutthroat (G1)|Cutthroat]], [[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]], Goldbug, and [[Wideload (G1)|Wide Load]] are found after the main story.
*The page count for this issue drops from 22 to 16, with the difference made up with the aforementioned Universe profiles.

===Covers (4)===
*'''US cover:''' the Air Strike Patrol by [[Dan Reed]].
*'''UK issue #240 cover:''' [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]], [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and the [[Mecannibal]]s, by [[Andrew Wildman]].
*'''UK issue #241 cover:''' [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] emerges from the sea, by [[Geoff Senior]].
*'''UK issue #242 cover:''' assault on the Ark, by [[Jeff Anderson]].
<gallery>
File:MarvelUS-56.jpg|'''US issue #56''' - "Yes humans, flee from the power of my armpits."
File:MarvelUK-240.jpg|'''UK issue #240''' - Some people see pink elephants. Others...
File:MarvelUK-241.jpg|'''UK issue #241''' - Is it Thunderwing or a Viking?
File:MarvelUK-242.jpg|'''UK issue #242''' - SPAAAAAAAAACE!
</gallery>

===Advertisements===
====US====
*Clearasil acne medicine - inside front cover
*Nintendo games: ''Bubble Bobble'', ''Renegade'', ''Sky Shark'', ''Operation Wolf'' - between pages 4 & 5
*Nintendo games: ''Operation Wolf'', ''Renegade'', ''Bubble Bobble'', ''Renegade'', ''Sky Shark'' - between pages 5 & 6
*Nintendo system and games - between pages 7 & 8
*Olympic Sales Club - between pages 8 & 9
*''AD&D Handbook'' - between story and Battletrap profile
*''Indiana Jones Interactive Telephone Adventure Game'' / New York Comic Convention - between Battletrap and Blot profiles
*Bullpen Bulletins and checklist - between Cutthroat and Goldbug profiles
*East Coast Comics - between Goldbug and Rollbar profiles
*''[[Captain America]]'', ''Amazing [[Spider-Man]]'', ''[[Wolverine (Marvel)|Wolverine]]'' and ''X-Men'' comics
*Marvel subscription service
*Nintendo cereal - inside back cover
*Schwinn bikes (back cover)

====UK====
????

===Reprints===
*'''''[[Transformers: Primal Scream]]'' TPB cover:''' Grimlock, Goldbug, Pretender [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], and half of [[Primus]] by [[Andrew Wildman]].
*'''''Transformers: Primal Scream'' HC:''' Grimlock victorious over the [[Sports Car Patrol]], by [[Dave Gibbons]].
*'''''[[Transformers: Magazine]]'' #3 cover:''' ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] battles [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimal Optimus]], by [[Robby Musso]]
*'''[[Classic Transformers Volume 4|''Classic Transformers'' Volume 4]] cover:''' panels from US issues [[Skin Deep|#59]] and [[Yesterday's Heroes!|#60]], pencils by José Delbo, inks by [[Dave Hunt]] and colours by Nel Yomtov.
*'''[[The Transformers Classics, Vol. 5|''The Transformers Classics,'' Vol. 5]] cover:''' Prowl, by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection|''Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection:Volume 16: The Primal Scream'']]''': Optimus Prime by Guido Guidi above an interior scene of the Megatron vs Grimlock.
<gallery>
File:Titan-PrimalScreamSC.jpg|'''''Transformers: Primal Scream'' TPB''' (Titan Books, 2002)
File:Titan-PrimalScreamHC.jpg|'''''Transformers: Primal Scream'' hardback''' (Titan Books, 2002)
File:Idw-tfmag3.jpg|'''''Transformers: Magazine'' #3''' (IDW Publishing, 2007)
File:Classic Transformers Vol4.jpg|'''''Classic Transformers'' Volume 4''' (IDW Publishing, 2009)
File:TFClassicsVol5.jpg|'''''The Transformers Classics'' Vol. 5''' (IDW Publishing, 2012)
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v16.jpg|'''''The Definitive G1 Collection: Volume 16: The Primal Scream''''' (Hachette Partworks, 2017)
</gallery>

==References==
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==Things to get a bot to do==
*Replace all instances of <nowiki>{{m-}}</nowiki> with —.

===Remove redirects===
*[[Generation 1 (cartoon)]] → [[The Transformers (cartoon)]]
*[[Countdown to Extinction]] → [[Countdown to Extinction (episode)]]
*[[Generation 1 (toyline)]] →‎ [[The Transformers (toyline)]]
*[[Creation Matrix]] →‎ [[Matrix of Leadership]]
*[[Marvel]] →‎ [[Marvel Comics]]
*[[Zone]] →‎ [[Zone (franchise)]]
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==Things to do by hand==
===Fix links===
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== Dross ==

''"The extent of what I can gather from Google translate."'' 
Google-translating what, exactly? I see brief mentions of it in the J-Wiki article for ''BWII'' (specifically, in the paragraphs on BigMos and Autostinger), but if you found some other source, I can take a look at it and see if there's anything else to be gleaned.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:47, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:[http://xeel.aikotoba.jp/storage/bw2/bw2n01.html#インセクトロン]. Many thanks! Can you also glean anything about Planet [[Trius]] (トリアス) from that same site? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:07, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
::Okay, that took less time than I thought once I looked at the page.

::Dross is mentioned all of once. During the Dross Crusades, Autostinger saved Bigmos's life.

::Trius comes up twice in the Jointron entry. The Jointrons went out into space to protect Trius on orders from Autobot HQ, but en route, their ship broke down (possibly owing to a problem with their helmsmanship), and they reluctantly crash-landed on Gaia. The summary also notes this may have left Trius more peaceful than if they'd gone there, but doesn't mention it otherwise.
:::Whoo, thanks. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:31, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

== Blind as a bat in battle ==

I can't check the episodes to figure out which right now, but I ''know'' that the Metrodome subs also used this translation in, like, ''one'' instance, late in the series, which would suggest to me that for that one time at least, that's actually what he was saying. I wonder if Shout have extrapolated backwards and used it for all the instances of nonsense-speak in the name of consistency. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:14, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:Interesting. I'll see if I can get the Metrodome version to check, or see if the TV-Nihon translation has that. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:18, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
::Doing a quick YouTube check (just before bed!), I can say that he actually ''does'' say "Komori" as part of his chant, and that's a word that I ''do'' know the meaning of. So... maybe that IS what he's always saying. (The two TV Nihon episodes I've just sampled don't translate it.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:20, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Hrm, then I guess I'll comment out those points for the time being, at least till we get a Japanese speaker to confirm. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:25, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

== Almanac stuff ==
Dude, you are a tireless workhorse and I salute your efforts. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 23:50, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
:Thanks! All of those blank sections and red links were annoying me so much that I finally just brought the thing after putting it off for so long. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:54, 9 August 2011 (EDT)
::Any idea which of those planet pages is article 14.000? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:43, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
:::[[Giedi Prime]], I think. I aimed for that because it was Sorenson's screen name. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:45, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
::::Works for me! And thanks for dealing with all these TAAII planets. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:48, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::I must also give you praise for all your work, since you saved ''me'' from having to do it. Also, I think the "dim. research" note on [[Skriixos V]] doesn't actually mean dim but is short for "dimensional research", referencing the Skriix and their being from another dimension. --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 06:58, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
::::::Should all those planets from external properties (Gor, etc) be in the External Properties category? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 07:30, 10 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Now that I think about it, yeah. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 07:32, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

That said, are you SURE that all the throw-away companies that are just a name and a number need pages? They were just thrown in there as a joke and to make people in-the-know smile.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:57, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
:Uh, yeah. Really, I think that's all best folded into the ASAII reference pages. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:08, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
::This is the chaos you have wrought, Jim! (Really, though, I don't see how it's that different from the 100+ "throw-away" planets and it's not like having those articles impede anything. I also think it's neat to learn that those companies exist in Transformers fiction somewhere.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:10, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Ah, well, a planet that ONLY showed up on that map, and nowhere else in fiction, might not deserve its own page either, now that you mention it. Maybe with an exception for planets that have some other connection to the fiction, like [[Yautja]] since we already have a page for the [[Predator (alien)|Predator]].--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:16, 11 August 2011 (EDT)
:::At most I think they'd deserve a redirect page with a "Companies" and "Planets" Categories so they show UP in said Categories, but they should redirect to the ASAII reference section. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:17, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

Hehehehe... I just did something nice for you that you won't find out about for a few months... hehehe... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 23:21, 19 August 2011 (EDT)
:Aw, you made my day. Looking forward to whatever you have planning. :D [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:11, 20 August 2011 (EDT)
::Did you spot it?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:16, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::Heh, under Cheetor's vehicle mode, right? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:24, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::Bingo. Thanks for all your hard work.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:26, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::::Aw, it isn't anything, but you're welcome. Thanks for the shout out! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:29, 19 November 2011 (EST)

==Great Dome==
Does the Shout! Factory edition of "Four Warriors Come out of the Sky" name the Autobot base on Cybertron "Autobot Base" or "Iacon"? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:59, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
:The subtitle for the place name? "Autobot Headquarters". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:10, 22 August 2011 (EDT)
::Yep, that one. Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:14, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

==AAII==
Are you sure you have not misspelled "Emirate 'Xarron' Spacebridge Nexus" and "Zetca-" (the latter over at "Serpentor") and could you improve "Quartex (region)"? It's an ugly and confusing page right now. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:28, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
:Those are spelled as such in the AAII. I'll go off and fix Quartex. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:33, 23 August 2011 (EDT)

== My apology. ==

I apologize for attempting to be a part of this wiki community and attempting to add my meager contribution.

Shall log off for the last time shortly.

[[User:Prime Dood477|Prime Dood477]] 07:28, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

==Micron Densetsu titles==
You realize there are English parts of the Japanese episode titles for the series, right? All of which are lower case, and not all of which line up with the actual dub titles?

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/MicronDensetsuTitle.jpg Example]

--[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:08, 31 August 2011 (EDT)
:The only one that doesn't match (aside from parsing variations) is "First Encounter". That aside, they're only providing the English titles to a Japanese audience; I don't consider them part of the actual Japanese title and the Japanese sources I've seen don't. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:32, 31 August 2011 (EDT)

==Japanese Beast Era screencaps==
We have a lot of BWII and BWN screencaps of which the episode is unknown. Since you are sorting out the Japanese BE stuff, do you think you could get them properly sourced? Most are currently in the "Hastak images" category, but I could get them to the "images from unknown sources" category to save you the time finding them in the other category. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:43, 9 September 2011 (EDT)
:Sure, I'll see what I can identify. Toss them into unknown sources or list them here. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:51, 9 September 2011 (EDT)

==Manga question==
I want to write an article for the ''Go-Bots'' manga later today and I have two questions. The stories are all very simple and can often be described in one or two sentences. Yet, there's a lot of stories. Should I put up a a page for each one or put them all in one article? Also, the manga issues aren't numbered and some appear to have been released at the same time. Should I order them alphabetically or would there be a better option? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:56, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:My gut instinct would be to give an article to every installment; it's easier to give space for featured characters and the infobox that way, instead of clumping them all into one page. Also easier to storylink. In regards to order, I think release date and then alphabetical is fine, if they have no other identifying marks. Were the toys numbered? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:03, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::Seems they were according to the Go-Bots fansite. Ordering by those numbers seems a much better idea, so I'll go with that. Thanks. Oh, and perhaps to prevent pages being put up on the wrong "title", what do you think of translating "かつやく" as "service"? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:13, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::I need to know the context of the word before I can give any suggestions. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:21, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Oh, they're on the fansite. Yeah, "service" seems the most appropriate. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:27, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

== Beast manga ==

So do you have access to the Beast Wars II and Neo manga? Because that's the sort of thing I'd be interested in! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:07, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:Yes. I'm planning to scan it. It will probably come out bad, but we'll see. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:28, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

::<nowiki>*</nowiki>flails arms* Whence did you acquire such a thing? What of Beast Wars Metals? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:38, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:::I bought the collected volumes from some guy in Japan on eBay. They were pretty expensive, but eh. Unfortunately, BWM wasn't collected, so if I want it, I have to hunt down the individual Comic Bom Bom issues, which won't be easy. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:40, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

::::Oh, I think I saw them on eBay at one point and thought about them myself! Good on yer! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:43, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:Hello, I'd like to thanks for those ''Beast Wars'' manga as they are much more useful than my memory! ;-D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 15:07, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::You're welcome! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:08, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

==Double the pages==
[[Deep space receiving tower|Mine from March.]] Choose which one to keep you may. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:10, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

== Dubbing vs localization ==

All the recent episodes have that because they were all added by the same newbie anon. It's a foreign dub, I checked it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:52, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
:Yes, but he was following precedent set elsewhere. "Localization" is used because not all foreign versions are dubs, like the sub-only English releases of Japanese series. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:49, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
::So do we use "localization" as the new standard now? Or is this a case by case basis? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:25, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
:::It's certainly easier having a consistent "Foreign localization" section. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:44, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
::::I'll keep that in mind next time I tackle one of those, thanks! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:46, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

== Bot ==

Bot to fix redirects is working again. 
This took 5 hours. (Apparently we added more login security in response to Assaulthead.) 
...I assume you wish to queue some up. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
:Hurm. Well, there's a lot. All of the "Transformers: " moves, for instance. [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Log/move] If you want me to compile a more specific list, let me know. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:34, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
::It's been down for over a year. Should I just set it on whatever has the most redirects? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:24, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Sure, I guess. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:25, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Hrm. Apparently the redirects page doesn't list them by how many links there are to a redirect.
::::Anyway, I've got about 1,100 linkfixes queued up. (As always, it won't deign to do all of them.) This should take about 24 hours for the 'bot to chew through. I figure you can '''redirect''' me after that's done. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:48, 20 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::I've got ~3000 redirect-changes queued up RE: the list you left on my talk page.
:::::One thing the 'bot DOESN'T do is fix links passed as parameters in templates. This didn't USED to be a big deal, but TFWiki.net has seriously increased its usage of templates in the last 2 years or so. I'm going ot take a whack at it tonight and see if I can make it do this.
:::::(The concern is that if a non-link value in a complex template, e.g. 'idw' were the same as a link being fixed, it could screw things up. But we've kept such template values decapitalized and all of these links are capitalized, so I'm hopeful this can be done without mangling pages.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:37, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

== Wholesale removing shit again. ==

Is this actually something that was decided upon in some talk page somewhere, or are you merely being yourself again? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 26 October 2011 (EDT)
:Sorry to upset you with the removal of a redundant template from ten or so lists? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:50, 28 October 2011 (EDT)
::Well, yes, those tags WERE redundant, but only after you created new sections that meant the same thing as the tags you were removing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:13, 30 October 2011 (EDT)
:::There were plenty of "Cancelled" sections already on some pages, though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:20, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

== SG Side Burn photo ==

I made you do that, didn't I? --[[Special:Contributions/218.208.97.226|218.208.97.226]] 15:42, 1 November 2011 (EDT)
:...Maybe. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:43, 1 November 2011 (EDT)

==Deathbringer==
Since you're on an IDW kick, can you separate out the IDW Deathbringer from the Marvel one? They've never struck me as having any similarities beyond sharing a name, but I don't own all of ''Devastation''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:22, 13 December 2011 (EST)
:Now that you bring it up, I agree. Spotlight: Sixshot has a pretty specific description of IDW Deathbringer ("bio-mech bred for combat in the harshest of environments") that doesn't line up with Marvel Deathbringer. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:26, 13 December 2011 (EST)
::Hrm. Now that I think about it, does the Deathbringer of Cybertronian myth warrant its own page as well, a la [[Megatron (myth)|Megatron]]? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 03:24, 13 December 2011 (EST)
:::I don't really agree with the existence of Megatron (myth), since it's obviously a prescient reference to BW Megatron. Ditto for myth Deathbringer. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:54, 13 December 2011 (EST)
::::Would you say Megatron (myth) should probably be merged with Megatronus? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:33, 16 December 2011 (EST)
:::::I'm of the opinion that it referred specifically to Megatron (BW). Megatron naming himself after himself was the joke. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:37, 16 December 2011 (EST)

== All Roads Lead to Skynet ==

I have become convinced you are not human, but instead a Sufficiently Advanced Artificial Intelligence who is now spidering Transformers lore and cross-indexing it like Google for some as-yet-unknown sinister reason.

Good work. -Derik 03:37, 16 December 2011 (EST)

==Image==
why do you delete all my images[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 16:43, 13 March 2012 (EDT)
:I didn't delete them. That decision is ultimately up to an administrator. I simply tagged them, because they are not useful to the Wiki. We do not host images we do not need. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:11, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

ah ok i thought scalpel's image could have been useful--[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 17:18, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

excuse me can you delete this file
:Please stop uploading images. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:48, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

yes sorry, I committed a terrible mistake
--[[User:Shockwave1704|Shockwave1704]] 16:51, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

== Wrong argument ==

The point of the Cat:IDW... issues was to line all the categories for MTMTE/RiD up so that they were together in [[Special:Categories]], rather than scattering them. Since there are covers for DWMTMTE/etc, there DOES need to be a [[:Category:IDW More than Meets the Eye covers]]. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 13:48, 20 March 2012 (EDT)
:An alphabetic list of categories in some obscure corner of the Wiki is not really something to consider when editing. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:09, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

== I'm sorry ==

I was trying to do my part to edit like you said.
:Yes, and I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you shouldn't edit for the sake of editing. What we need is expansion of actual content, such as toy write-ups and biographies, not reaching and excessive notes. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:08, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

== I've got an idea. ==

Don't remove shit. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:37, 15 April 2012 (EDT)
:I'm not sure how reverting an anon edit and asking for confirmation warrants this treatment, especially of somebody who has added an assload of Japanese names himself. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:57, 15 April 2012 (EDT)
:: Don't revert anon edits just because they're anon edits. That should not be your default action. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:19, 15 April 2012 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I think you're just looking for a reason to yell at me. I didn't trust an edit for a variety of reasons and asked for confirmation or a source, as is pretty standard on any wiki. I got one. End of story. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:53, 15 April 2012 (EDT)
::::The standard procedure on a wiki is not to remove FIRST and THEN ask for confirmation or source. It's the other way around, dude. Don't do this again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:47, 15 April 2012 (EDT)

You do realize that other contributors ask me all the time why the hell you still get to post here because of your attitude and because of the stuff we often have to clean up from the widespread changes you decide to make on your own whims. And I shrug and say, "Hey, look, sometimes he does stuff we don't have to clean up. Often, yes, he's a pain. But he often does good things, so he's still worth keeping around, okay?" Protip: By starting edit wars with me, you are really pushing the one guy who stands in the way between you and a ban. It is not smart. It is very not smart. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:49, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
:But I wasn't reverting anything you did? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:00, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

== Convoy ==

Hey, if you're taking screencaps of Convoy, any chance you could get a picture of one of the cars they use for the MECH page? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:43, 24 April 2012 (EDT)
:Sure. I can't get a good 3/4 shot, so I've taken a couple of screencaps so you can pick which one you like best. [http://i40.tinypic.com/i2uj69.jpg] [http://i43.tinypic.com/2r4r8u1.jpg] [http://i40.tinypic.com/2vjv67d.jpg] [http://i41.tinypic.com/2dkygkn.jpg] [http://i41.tinypic.com/2dc8t8o.jpg] (Apologies for the terrible artifacing in some caps. Convoy suffers a lot from it.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:57, 24 April 2012 (EDT)
::Thanks! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:34, 24 April 2012 (EDT)

== Emirate ==

That was a little uncalled for, wasn't it? Fair enough if it had been an addition to the page itself, but when the word's being used in such an odd fashion, and Furman has a bit of a record for malapropisms ('indigent' for 'indigenous'), it seemed reasonable to raise the idea on the talk page just to see whether anyone thought there might be mileage in it. Reverting the talk page seems rather an overzealous response. -- [[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 20:58, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
:Never mind, it doesn't matter. I'm wondering now how much evidence there is for it being a title at all, as opposed to just being the first element in a two-word name a la Optimus Prime. If it's a name rather than a title, it's a little less odd. -- [[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 21:52, 28 April 2012 (EDT)

== Forign names ==

If the Japanese/Italian/German/Floogan name for something is the same as the English name, DON'T FUCKING PUT IT IN THE FOREIGN NAMES LIST. The last thing we need is a long list on every page showing all the places UltraGenericBlast is called UltraGenericBlast. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:01, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

== Marvel US/UK split point ==

Hi there! I saw you added the part about US/UK split happening around the US issue “the price of life”, and while I generally agree, don’t you think the actual split point is the issue “Back from the dead”? In this issue Prime is surprised that Megatron is alive, where in the UK continuity they just recently fought in the time wars.
Anyway, happy to hear your opinion :)
[[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 15:05, 10 October 2022 (EDT)
:You're not likely to get a response from Interrobang, as he hasn't been active on here in ten years. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 10 October 2022 (EDT)
::Seems like you’re right. Thanks [[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 02:38, 11 October 2022 (EDT)

User talk:Interrobang

2022-10-10T19:05:30Z

Levyshahar: /* Marvel US/UK split point */ new section

The PriÂ¢e of Life!

2022-10-10T18:54:58Z

Levyshahar: Error in opening narration

{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (US)]] #70
|prev=Eye of the Storm
|next=Surrender!
|title="The Pri¢e of Life!"
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|''The Transformers'' (UK)]] #309–310
|prev2=Eye of the Storm
|next2=Surrender!
|image=MarvelUS-70.jpg
|caption="Hey, let's do 'Get Help'." "We are not doing 'Get Help'."
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]
|date=July [[1990]]
|coverdate=September 1990
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|penciler=[[Andrew Wildman]]
|inker=[[Stephen Baskerville]]
|colorist=[[Nelson Yomtov|Nel Yomtov]]
|letterer=[[Rick Parker]]
|editor=[[Rob Tokar]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
}}
'''The coming of... Ratchetron! Uh, Mega-Chet? Uh... I don't even know anymore.'''

==Synopsis==
Shock. With the hideous fusion of [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and [[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]] having been retrieved from [[unspace]] and deposited before them, the only word which can describe the feelings of the assembled [[Autobot]]s is shock. The unreality of the moment ends when [[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]] enters the room and, seeing the Megatron side of the creature, takes aim with his laser. His distraction gives Megatron an opening to belt [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] in the face, and Kup then fires on the [[Decepticon]]. Before any more damage can be done, though, [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] disarms his fellow [[Autobot]] and forces him to take a second look—at Ratchet. As Nightbeat explains the situation, Kup has to question whether Ratchet would even WANT to go on living in his current condition. Before the discussion can heat up from there, "Megatron" rams through the Autobots, leaving them stunned.

As Kup gets up to pursue the creature, Optimus Prime picks up Nightbeat's side of the conversation and the two begin to debate the survival of Ratchet versus the danger of Megatron. As [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] security officer, Kup insists the creature is too much of a threat to everyone on board the longer it remains functional, and yet Optimus cannot choose to throw away his friend's life so wantonly after just getting him back, whatever his condition.

[[File:Grimlockpriceoflife.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|ME GRIMLOCK HATE HYDRUS FOUR!]]
Meanwhile, on [[Hydrus Four]], [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] begins his search for the well of [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]]. With a [[Hydrusian guide|local mechanoid]] as his guide and comic-relief sidekick, Grimlock is forced to endure another round of blatant exposition until, mercifully, the "dumb guide" is chased off by one of the [[Nucleon guardian|Hydrusian mechanoids]] who has been driven mad by the Nucleon. The creature is rotting away, yet somehow still capable of animation, and gives Grimlock a meager fight before it is too damaged to continue struggling.

Back on the Ark, things have gotten worse. The fusion creature has damaged [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] and sealed itself in the engine room, creating serious wreckage out of critical systems just as the Ark is beginning to make planetfall to meet the [[Decepticon]]s for the surrender. Kup lays this all on Optimus Prime's head and goes so far as to threaten to invoke the [[Crisis Act]] and relieve him of command; after this incident and Optimus's decision to surrender the Autobots to [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]], Kup is sure many of the crew would back him in that action. Turning to look the other Autobots in the eyes, Prime realizes his security officer isn't half wrong. Without another word, he takes the gun offered to him by Kup and bashes his way into the engine room. When Prime's gone, Kup admits to Sureshot that he's not just more bothered about it than he let on, he's partly driven by the view that Ratchet's better off dead than suffering like this.

[[File:PriceofLife-Icannot.jpg|thumb|upright=2|]]
The fight is short-lived; despite all its power, the Megatron fusion is in constant agony and totally off-balance. Optimus Prime quickly overwhelms the entity, but as he is staring down the barrel of the gun into its optics, Prime just can't go through with the deed. He's then shocked when the creature (clearly under Ratchet's control at this point) pulls the gun back into line with itself and begs Prime to end its life.

On Hydrus Four, Grimlock is forced to deal with the second guardian of the well the same way he did the first: brutally. Reaching [[Farooth|the island]] where the well of Nucleon sits, he finds the last of the three guardians, who is far more coherent and far less violent than his friends. He tells Grimlock that Nucleon is not the prize he thinks; it revitalizes mechanoids, sure, and truly doesn't affect any two the same way, but it also causes wasting depletion and utter madness. In order to satisfy his doubts, Grimlock exposes himself to the Nucleon first before his fallen Dinobots. He emerges from the well feeling magnificent and prepares to load his comrades into the energy post-haste. The little dying robot can only say, "Time will tell..."

In the Ark's medi-bay, Optimus Prime receives a prognosis on the patient(s) from [[Fixit (G1)|Fixit]]. The good news is, the doctor can save Ratchet's life. The bad news is, he cannot do so without also saving Megatron; the two robots have become so tightly entwined with one another that it would be impossible to do otherwise. Under the hard stares of his fellow Autobots, Optimus tells Fixit to preserve the life of both patients...
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
{{collist|2|
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] (3)
*[[Waverider]] (4)
*[[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]] (5)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] (6)
*[[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] (9)
*[[Fixit (G1)|Fixit]] (10)
*[[Slag (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Slag]] (11)
*[[Snarl (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Snarl]] (12)
*[[Siren (G1)|Siren]] (15)
*[[Getaway]] (16)
}}
|c4=
*[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]/[[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]] (1)
*[[Hydrusian guide]] (7)
*First [[Nucleon guardian]] (8)
*Second Nucleon guardian (13)
*Third Nucleon guardian (14)
}}

==Quotes==
"Dhhh Awabus!" 
"Nuuuh -- nuuuh!" 
"Yuuus!"
:— the fusion-slurred rantings of '''Megatron''' and '''Ratchet'''

"Thought '''Earth''' was the pits, but this place got it beat! Me '''dirty, corroded, tired -- and very ticked-off! @$*#&!!''' Where dumb guide go now? Paid enough for him -- expect good service!" 
"Ah. There you are. For the delay, '''much sorry.''' But I... erm... '''got lost.'''" 
"Must be '''mad!''' Remind me someone, please -- '''tell why I bother!'''" 
"Oh, that is '''easy.''' You are here because up ahead is the island of Farooth, the '''Medi-Center''' and the '''nucleon'''!" 
"'''Nnn.''' Give me strength..."
:— '''Grimlock''' calls on all his strength to deal with the '''guide robot'''

"Defend the well!"
:—'''First Nucleon guardian'''. Note the double meaning in that phrase.

"Me no taste for this! This not warrior's work--me '''surgeon''', cutting away '''diseased tissue!'''"
:—'''Grimlock''' waxes poetic as he destroys the First Nucleon Guardian

"*zzsk* Defend the well *zzsk* None must *zzsk* none must *zzsk* none must" 
"Must '''what?!''' Me think your '''needle stuck!'''" 
"Feed *zzsk* none must feed *zzsk* '''Defend!'''" [''opens fire''] 
"Enough! You go defend '''somewhere else!'''"
:—'''Nucleon guardian''' vs. '''Grimlock'''

"'''No.''' Be strong. Be resolute! '''Be merciless!''' ...I -- '''cannot!''' It is '''not''' my way, not '''the Autobot way!''' Matrix forgive me, but I ca-- Wha--?"
:— '''Optimus Prime''' tries to coach himself into killing the Megatron-Ratchet fusion... only to find the creature begging to be killed.

==Notes==
===Artwork and technical errors===
*The opening narration says “Where once there were two, now there is '''ome'''”.
*In the previous issue, Grimlock took [[Swoop (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Swoop]] and Snarl with him. This issue shows Snarl and Slag instead. However, in "[[...All This and Civil War 2]]" Grimlock will be seen with all four Dinobots. Obviously some were just off panel this issue and the last.

===Continuity errors===
*So why didn't anyone use the Crisis Act on ''Grimlock'' back when he was being a rubbish leader?

===Continuity notes===
*Kup states there are around thirty active Autobots on the Ark, along with ''sixty'' deactivated and in stasis - almost exactly in line with the current count (see Bot Roster, below.) Since less than sixty have been confirmed as killed on-panel in events like "[[Dark Star]]", then this would seem to confirm that characters who've vanished (like the [[Monsterbot (G1)|Monsterbot]]s) should be assumed to be offline.
*Despite the central focus of the last two issues, Ratchet and Megatron would not be addressed again until "[[The Void! (US)|The Void!]]".
*Nightbeat outlines his theory from last issue again, explaining the events from the end of "[[Skin Deep]]".
*Prime's announcement that he plans to surrender to the Decepticons also happened last issue.
*Though there are still a few glitches, this issue is the closest "turning point" where the UK [[Earthforce]] Saga could reasonably break off from the standard comic timeline. Megatron is back (sort of) as well as Shockwave building a crew, the Dinobots are going to be back due to Nucleon (and Decepticons wanting to know how they dun it is key to "[[Two Steps Back!]]"), and [[Galvatron II]] has not yet committed to attacking Cybertron. We know from "[[The Magnificent Six!]]" that the attempts at allying with Scorponok, starting in the next issue, do not work out in Earthforce.

===Real-life references===
*The subplot involving the horrific fusion of Ratchet and Megatron is strongly influenced by the classic horror movies ''{{w|The Fly (1958 film)|The Fly}}'' and its {{w|The Fly (1986 film)|remake}}.
**A terrible fusion accident involving teleportation is the major plot device in both movies.
**The scene where Ratchet/Megatron points Optimus' ion blaster at their head is a direct reference to the finale of the 1986 film.
**The "HELP US" on the cover is a reference to Delambe's phrase in the climax of the 1958 film.

===Bot Roster===
*Autobots: 30 active, plus 1 fused with Megatron; 8 rogue Micromasters; 1 in storage, 31 offline, 24 presumed offline.
*Decepticons: 21 active, 5 gone rogue; 25 offline, 25 presumed offline, 2 offline/missing. (78 total)

===Other trivia===
*In the credits, over the merged Transformers, editor Rob Tokar and editor-in-chief [[Tom DeFalco]] are said to "Share One Brain".
*The running theme in all of this is whether characters should be euthanised or live in suffering. While most of the ''Ark'' cast believe Ratchet and Megatron should be dead (and so do Megatron and Ratchet), Grimlock thinks this about the Nucleon victims, and the third guardian thinks it about himself, both subplots end with a character (Prime and Grimlock) rejecting the idea. Both decide they were right to do so as they can, in fact, save their comrades but have to deal with consequences as a result (saving Megatron and the later [[Action Master|loss of transformation]]).
*A ''[[The Transformers Universe|Transformers Universe]]'' profile for [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Powermaster Prime]] is found after the main story.
*Note in the quotes that Megatron and Ratchet can both think and talk independently to each other.

===UK printing===
'''Issue #309:'''
*'''Reprint ''Transformers'' story:''' "[[The Enemy Within!]]"
*'''Other strips:''' ''Machine Man'' - "He Lives Again" and ''[[Combat Colin]]''
*'''[[Transformers AtoZ|AtoZ]]:''' [[Thundercracker (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Thundercracker]] and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] - a full colour reprint of the AtoZ from issue [[Manoeuvres!|#283]]
*'''Free gift:''' A Megatron/Ratchet hybrid bookmark.
*The UK #309 cover tagline is derived from "{{w|21st Century Schizoid Man}}", the opening song of {{w|King Crimson}}'s 1969 prog rock opus ''{{w|In the Court of the Crimson King}}''.
*With this issue the UK comic changed from a weekly to fortnightly schedule. The remaining 24 UK issues would return to the old format used on most of the UK run (from [[Repeat Performance!|issue #27]] until [[Guess Who the Mecannibals Are Having for Dinner?|issue #213]]) of a single Transformers story and a backup strip. The remaining 24 UK issues would each contain half a US issue.
*The Machine Man story was previously printed, starting way back in [[Repeat Performance!|Issue #27]]

'''Issue #310:'''
*'''Reprint ''Transformers'' story:''' "The Enemy Within!"
*'''Other strips:''' ''Machine Man'' - "He Lives Again" and ''Combat Colin''
*'''AtoZ:''' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (updated)
*'''Free gift:''' An A2 poster by Jeff Anderson, featuring a group of Autobots and Decepticons facing up

===Covers (3)===
*'''US issue #70 cover:''' Ratchet/Megatron fusion, by [[Andrew Wildman]].
*'''UK issue #309 cover:''' Ratchet/Megatron fusion, by [[Frances Farmer]].
*'''UK issue #310 cover:''' Grimlock tests out the nucleon, by [[Staz|Stewart Johnson]] and [[Robin Bouttell]].
<gallery>
File:MarvelUS-70.jpg|'''US issue #70''' - Ouch.
File:MarvelUK-309.jpg|'''UK issue #309''' - AND he won't stop dribbling!
File:MarvelUK-310.jpg|'''UK issue #310''' - Tough love from Grimlock.
</gallery>

===Advertisements===
====US====
*Capcom ''Code Name: Viper'' for Nintendo - inside front cover
*Taito ''Wrath of the Black Manta'' for Nintendo - between pages 4 & 5
*Acclaim ''NARC'' for Nintendo - between pages 5 & 6
*Fleer NFL Football cards - between pages 9 & 10
*Child World / Children's Palace video game HQ: Sega Genesis and Nintendo - between pages 12 & 13 (2 pages)
*East Coast Comics - between pages 15 & 16
*Bullpen Bulletins w/ Ultra Narrow Checklist - between pages 19 & 20
*NFL Pro Set football cards - between story and Optimus Prime profile
*Transmissions
*Marvel subscription service
*Konami ''Super C'' and ''Snake's Revenge'' for Nintendo - inside back cover
*TSR ''AD&D'' books (back cover)

====UK====
????

===Reprints===
* '''''[[Transformers: All Fall Down]]'' TPB:''' Powermaster Optimus Prime, Megatron/Ratchet, Starscream, Shockwave and half of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]], by [[Andrew Wildman]].
* '''''Transformers: All Fall Down'' [[BotCon]] exclusive cover:''' Powermaster Optimus Prime and Unicron, by [[Geoff Senior]] & [[Oliver Harud]].
* '''''Transformers: All Fall Down'' standard HC:''' [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], by [[Howard Chaykin]] & [[Chris Blythe]].
*'''''[[The Transformers: The Best of Simon Furman]]'':''' Cybertron, by [[Don Figueroa]].
*'''''[[Best of Transformers: Eye of the Storm]]'':''' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]], [[Ravage (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ravage]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Skywarp]], by Andrew Wildman.
<gallery>
File:All_fall_down_tpb_cover.jpg|'''''Transformers: All Fall Down'' TPB''' (Titan Books, 2001)
File:All_fall_down_botcon_cover.jpg|'''''Transformers: All Fall Down'' hardback Botcon exclusive cover''' (BotCon Exclusive, 2001)
File:All_fall_down_hb_cover.jpg|'''''Transformers: All Fall Down'' hardback standard cover''' (Titan Books, 2003)
File:BestofSimon.jpg|'''''The Best of Simon Furman''''' (IDW Publishing, 2007)
File:Best of Transformers.jpg|'''''Best of Transformers: Eye of the Storm''''' (Titan Books, 2008)
</gallery>
*'''[[Classic Transformers Volume 5|''Classic Transformers'' Volume 5]]:''' panels from this issue, "[[Deadly Obsession]]", "[[All Fall Down]]" and "[[...All This and Civil War 2]]".
*'''[[The Transformers Classics, Vol. 6|''The Transformers Classics,'' Vol. 6]]:''' [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]], by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection|''Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection:Volume 18: Edge of Extinction'']]''': [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], above an interior scene ([[The Void! (US)|issue #74]]) of Powermaster [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] battling the [[Acolyte of Unicron|Acolytes of Unicron]]. Grimlock art by [[Guido Guidi]], Retro art by [[Andrew Wildman]] (pencils) and [[Stephen Baskerville]] (inks).
*'''''[[Transformers: Best of Megatron]]''''': [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], by [[James Biggie]].

<gallery>
File:Classic Transformers Vol5.jpg|'''''Classic Transformers'' Volume 5''' (IDW Publishing, 2009)
File:TFClassicsVol6.jpg|'''''The Transformers Classics'', Vol. 6''' (IDW Publishing, 2013)
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v18.jpg|'''''The Definitive G1 Collection: Volume 18: Edge of Extinction''''' (Hachette Partworks, 2017)
File:BestOfMegatron cvr.jpg|'''''Transformers: Best of Megatron''''' (IDW Publishing, 2022)
</gallery>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Price of Life!}}
[[Category:Marvel US issues]]
[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]

Back from the Dead

2022-10-09T09:42:52Z

Levyshahar: Us-uk not reconciling here

{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (US)]] #56
|prev=The Interplanetary Wrestling Championship!
|next=The Resurrection Gambit!
|title="Back from the Dead"
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|''The Transformers'' (UK)]] #240–242
|prev2=A Savage Place!
|next2=Out to Lunch!
|image=MarvelUS-56.jpg
|caption=Oh boy! ''More'' Micromasters!
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]
|date=May [[1989]]
|coverdate=September 1989
|story=[[Simon Furman]]
|pencils=[[José Delbo]]
|inks=[[Dave Hunt]]
|color=[[Nelson Yomtov|Nel Yomtov]]
|letters=[[Jim Massara]]
|editing=[[Don Daley]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
}}
'''Some British guy starts writing the title. This won't last...'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Zombiesbackfromthedead.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Blaster's not dead, he's just a Headmaster!]]
In [[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]]'s nightmares, the dead walk. Because he has failed to restore them to life, they have become the un-life, and thirst for his life. As the scrambling corpses pile over him, Ratchet decides he deserves to die for his failure, and gives in to his attackers as they violently—RATCHET!!

Suddenly, he startles awake. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] has come into the medical bay and shaken Ratchet out of involuntary systems shut-down. Prime has been desperate to replenish his ranks after [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]]'s rampage through their forces, but he starts to realize how much of an effect the stress has had on Ratchet. He orders the surgeon to take some downtime, but worries his demand for troops might have already damaged Ratchet's sanity. Ratchet, in turn, shows that he has hardly been comforted by Prime's pep-talk, and laments the lack of any real advanced medical technology, like he's heard exists on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] now.

Meanwhile, on that very planet, a mysterious figure is addressing the [[Micromaster]] [[Sports Car Patrol]]. As these tiny [[Decepticon]]s demonstrate they are ready for their covert mission and show off their faction-switching insignias, the figure contacts his other agents on [[Earth]], the [[Air Strike Patrol]], and tells them to begin their part of the mission.

The Air Strike Patrol stages an attack at [[MacDill Air Force Base]], taking the humans hostage while making empty demands for the [[B-204|new mid-air refueling jet]] being unveiled. Unknown to all involved, their only true purpose is to get the [[Autobot]]s' attention. They succeed. Despite their low numbers, Optimus Prime feels compelled to gather a strike team and take a shuttle down to Earth to defend the humans.

With the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] virtually deserted, the Sports Car Patrol teleports in using a new [[trans-time dimensional portal]]. Working from a nearby circuit panel, [[Blackjack (G1)|Blackjack]] reprograms some crucial systems to give him remote control over the fallen Autobots. He animates them and provides a voice in order to physically and psychologically batter Ratchet into submission. With his recent nightmares coming to life around him, Ratchet almost submits to his attackers, but manages to shake loose his guilt and fight back. He breaks free and prepares to hit the emergency cut-off switch to short-circuit the "zombies", but hesitates at doing any more damage to their systems.

Fortunately for Ratchet, the choice is taken out of his hands. Blackjack's psychological torture was supposed to force Ratchet to tear apart his fallen comrades with his bare hands in order to survive, breaking him mentally. Instead, the Micromaster is forced to shut down the reanimates before they kill Ratchet, and he ceases to be of any use. Time for Plan B. Stepping out of the shadows, Blackjack and friends introduce themselves as the Autobot Sports Car Patrol. Claiming to be on their way back to Cybertron, the Micromasters offer to take Ratchet with them and let him make use of their shiny new med-tech.

Ready to jump at the chance, Ratchet quickly attempts to contact Optimus Prime and receive permission. Static on the line prevents him from getting through, however. Ratchet decides to go to Cybertron anyway, and brings the bodies of [[Jazz (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Jazz]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]], and [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] with him to be the first revitalized. He immediately realizes his mistake when the Patrol leaves Blackjack behind on the Ark, though, and his suspicions are confirmed when the Micromasters turn their guns on him as they rematerialize. Whatever worries he had, they are soon trumped by the arrival of his old nemesis... [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Jazz (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Jazz]] (1)
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (2)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] (4)
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] (5)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]] (6)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (7)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (8)
*[[Sludge (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Sludge]] (9)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]] (20)
*[[Getaway]] (21)
|c2=
*[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] (10)
*[[Detour (G1)|Detour]] (11)
*[[Hyperdrive (Micromaster)|Hyperdrive]] (12)
*[[Blackjack (G1)|Blackjack]] (13)
*[[Road Hugger (G1)|Road Hugger]] (14)
*[[Tailwind (G1)|Tailwind]] (15)
*[[Whisper (G1)|Whisper]] (16)
*[[Nightflight (G1)|Nightflight]] (17)
*[[Storm Cloud (G1)|Storm Cloud]] (18)
|c3=
*General [[James Campbell]] (19)
}}

==Quotes==
"Hah! We finally find a use for you, Ratchet, and what happens, eh? '''You blow it!''' Starscream wrecked us, and all you had to do was put us back together!" 
"Only -- you ''failed!'' We're still dead... and i's all your fault! Somehow it seems only fitting --" 
"--''that we tear you limb from limb!''"
:— dream versions of '''Grimlock''', '''Goldbug''' and '''Blaster''' give us a peek inside Ratchet's troubled subconscious

"Yo, Tailwind -- where you gone?" 
"Get real fleshlings... and get us what we want -- '''now!'''" 
"Chill out, 'cons."
:— various lines of totally radical dialogue demonstrate to the reader that the '''Micromasters''' are hep to the Earth lingo

"Decepticons! I am Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots! Surrender... or face the consequences!" 
"Before I tell him to go shove it up his reactor linkage, want to put a call through to Scorponok, telling him we're under attack from Autobots?"
:—'''Optimus Prime''''s threats merit only a sarcastic aside from '''Nightflight'''

"How can they be functioning? '''I''' didn't fix them yet! Well, no time to figure that out right now... gotta hit the emergency cut-off switch, short-out the repair bay's systems and.... end whatever slim chance of survival my fallen comrades have! '''Wait!''' I can't sacrifice their lives for mine! In the final analysis... I'm '''expendable!'''"
:— '''Ratchet''', already laying the seeds for the failure of Megatron's plans

"No! It-it can't be you... you're dead!" 
"Sadly for you, Ratchet, today is the day the dead walk... and '''''MEGATRON''''' lives again!"
:—'''Ratchet''' is witness to the grand return of '''Megatron'''

==Notes==
===Artwork and technical errors===
[[File:DelboAirStrikePatrolSwipe1.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Well, at least he got a little creative with Tailwind's arms...]]
*For [[Whisper (G1)|Whisper]] and [[Tailwind (G1)|Tailwind's]] first appearance in [[robot mode]] on page 7, [[José Delbo]] swiped their poses from the [[package art]] for the [[Micromaster]] [[Air Strike Patrol]], with the exception of Tailwind's arms, which are swiped from the package art for his teammate [[Nightflight (G1)|Nightflight]] instead.
*There are several errors on page 4. It is apparently supposed to be Road Hugger who says "Right on!", as the next text bubble suggests, and Blackjack discussing the need for subtlety and sneakiness in that panel and the next. Also, the text bubble about what Blackjack excels in would make more sense switched with the one about changing their symbols.
*There are a few problems with page 15 as well. The third panel seems to suggest Road Hugger remains on the Ark. Also, Ratchet asks "Why aren't ''they'' coming with us?", but only Blackjack is actually left behind. This would be corrected to "isn't ''he''" for the IDW Classics reprint.
*On the last page, Yomtov colored one of Ratchet's hands red and the other one black. Way to go, Nel. This would be corrected for the IDW Classics reprint.
*Blaster's corpse is consistently drawn with a damaged left arm, yet when he was killed in US issue [[Dark Star|#50]] (which was also penciled by Delbo) he only had a chest wound.
*The B-204 aircraft has some...''questionable'' design issues, covered on its page, but also some art goofs as well: the {{w|United States military aircraft national insignia|national insignia}} on the wing and fuselage are both wrong, and in two different ways! The fuselage insignia has the red bars on either side of the star as the ''only'' bars present instead of the white-red-white stripes they're supposed to be, while the wing insignia omits the red bar entirely...which would be accurate for a ''World War II'' aircraft.

===Continuity errors===
*Even assuming he got suspicious at the end, Ratchet is not very bright. Someone reanimates the fallen Autobots by remote control and turns them against him, then, out of nowhere, some Transformers he's never seen before step out of the hallway and offer to take him on a magical journey. Right—when was the last time you EVER saw an Autobot wearing purple?

===Continuity notes===
*The inactive bodies of [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], Goldbug, [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], Jazz, [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], Grimlock, and [[Sludge (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Sludge]] are shown in Ratchet's workshop.
*Ratchet states that "thirty, maybe forty" Autobots are in repair bay. The Ark's crew, pre-''Steelhaven'', numbered 52 known 'bots (discounting a few art errors.) 26 of them (plus 5 Technobots from the ''Steelhaven'' crew) fell to Starscream on-panel back in "[[Dark Star|#50]]". 2 are still up and around, leaving 24 unaccounted for (and making Ratchet's numbers probably on the low side.)
**Both Prime and Getaway state how hard-up they are for troops. Only 22 Autobots are confirmed active on the Ark at this point.
*This is the fourth and the last time Powermaster Optimus Prime is seen in his smaller robot form.
*Starscream's devastation of the Autobot forces occurred in US issue #50.
*Megatron installing flip-change faction symbols on his minions is suitably ironic, as [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]] had the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] use the same trick on him in US issue [[Gone but Not Forgotten!|#25]].
*Ratchet's attempt to contact Optimus Prime will be shown from Prime's perspective next issue.
*Most US issues could somehow fit into the UK continuity as well. From here on they really don’t work well together.

===Real-life references===
*TBD

===UK printing===
'''Issue #240:'''
*'''Additional ''Transformers'' story:''' "[[Out to Lunch!]]"
*'''Other strips:''' ''[[Action Force (comic)|Action Force]]'' - "Beginnings... and Endings" and ''[[Combat Colin]]''
'''Issue #241:'''
*'''Additional ''Transformers'' story:''' "[[Rage!]]"
*'''Other strips:''' ''Action Force'' - "Evasion" and ''Combat Colin''
'''Issue #242:'''
*'''Additional ''Transformers'' story:''' "[[Assault on the Ark!]]"
*'''Other strips:''' ''Action Force'' - "Evasion" and ''Combat Colin''

===Other trivia===
*This is the first US series issue scripted by [[Simon Furman]], who took over the run from [[Bob Budiansky]]. He'd been warned that with sales down, the comic probably wouldn't last much longer so Furman deliberately went "bigtime" to retain readers and bringing Megatron back (for US readers) was a deliberate part of this. <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vpunNgHR4M The Great Derelict] 50:05 in</ref>
*Likewise, the [[Dan Reed]] cover of this issue marks the first time a UK Transformers artist would provide original material for the US comic. Reed would later be followed on the book by true Brits [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Andrew Wildman]].
*''[[The Transformers Universe|Transformers Universe]]'' profiles for [[Battletrap (G1)|Battletrap]], [[Blot (G1)|Blot]], [[Cutthroat (G1)|Cutthroat]], [[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]], Goldbug, and [[Wideload (G1)|Wide Load]] are found after the main story.
*The page count for this issue drops from 22 to 16, with the difference made up with the aforementioned Universe profiles.

===Covers (4)===
*'''US cover:''' the Air Strike Patrol by [[Dan Reed]].
*'''UK issue #240 cover:''' [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]], [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and the [[Mecannibal]]s, by [[Andrew Wildman]].
*'''UK issue #241 cover:''' [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] emerges from the sea, by [[Geoff Senior]].
*'''UK issue #242 cover:''' assault on the Ark, by [[Jeff Anderson]].
<gallery>
File:MarvelUS-56.jpg|'''US issue #56''' - "Yes humans, flee from the power of my armpits."
File:MarvelUK-240.jpg|'''UK issue #240''' - Some people see pink elephants. Others...
File:MarvelUK-241.jpg|'''UK issue #241''' - Is it Thunderwing or a Viking?
File:MarvelUK-242.jpg|'''UK issue #242''' - SPAAAAAAAAACE!
</gallery>

===Advertisements===
====US====
*Clearasil acne medicine - inside front cover
*Nintendo games: ''Bubble Bobble'', ''Renegade'', ''Sky Shark'', ''Operation Wolf'' - between pages 4 & 5
*Nintendo games: ''Operation Wolf'', ''Renegade'', ''Bubble Bobble'', ''Renegade'', ''Sky Shark'' - between pages 5 & 6
*Nintendo system and games - between pages 7 & 8
*Olympic Sales Club - between pages 8 & 9
*''AD&D Handbook'' - between story and Battletrap profile
*''Indiana Jones Interactive Telephone Adventure Game'' / New York Comic Convention - between Battletrap and Blot profiles
*Bullpen Bulletins and checklist - between Cutthroat and Goldbug profiles
*East Coast Comics - between Goldbug and Rollbar profiles
*''[[Captain America]]'', ''Amazing [[Spider-Man]]'', ''[[Wolverine (Marvel)|Wolverine]]'' and ''X-Men'' comics
*Marvel subscription service
*Nintendo cereal - inside back cover
*Schwinn bikes (back cover)

====UK====
????

===Reprints===
*'''''[[Transformers: Primal Scream]]'' TPB cover:''' Grimlock, Goldbug, Pretender [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], and half of [[Primus]] by [[Andrew Wildman]].
*'''''Transformers: Primal Scream'' HC:''' Grimlock victorious over the [[Sports Car Patrol]], by [[Dave Gibbons]].
*'''''[[Transformers: Magazine]]'' #3 cover:''' ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] battles [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimal Optimus]], by [[Robby Musso]]
*'''[[Classic Transformers Volume 4|''Classic Transformers'' Volume 4]] cover:''' panels from US issues [[Skin Deep|#59]] and [[Yesterday's Heroes!|#60]], pencils by José Delbo, inks by [[Dave Hunt]] and colours by Nel Yomtov.
*'''[[The Transformers Classics, Vol. 5|''The Transformers Classics,'' Vol. 5]] cover:''' Prowl, by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection|''Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection:Volume 16: The Primal Scream'']]''': Optimus Prime by Guido Guidi above an interior scene of the Megatron vs Grimlock.
<gallery>
File:Titan-PrimalScreamSC.jpg|'''''Transformers: Primal Scream'' TPB''' (Titan Books, 2002)
File:Titan-PrimalScreamHC.jpg|'''''Transformers: Primal Scream'' hardback''' (Titan Books, 2002)
File:Idw-tfmag3.jpg|'''''Transformers: Magazine'' #3''' (IDW Publishing, 2007)
File:Classic Transformers Vol4.jpg|'''''Classic Transformers'' Volume 4''' (IDW Publishing, 2009)
File:TFClassicsVol5.jpg|'''''The Transformers Classics'' Vol. 5''' (IDW Publishing, 2012)
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v16.jpg|'''''The Definitive G1 Collection: Volume 16: The Primal Scream''''' (Hachette Partworks, 2017)
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Marvel US issues]]
[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]

Talk:Back from the Dead

2022-10-06T21:44:35Z

Levyshahar:

Isn’t there a continuity error here? Prime saying megatron is long dead, when he just recently saw him in the end of the time wars. Also, maybe worth mentioning which megatron we see here - original or clone
:That didn’t happen in the U.S. comic. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:56, 6 October 2022 (EDT)
::Indeed but I think it’s the first time they contradict so harshly without it being mentioned here at all. [[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 17:44, 6 October 2022 (EDT)

Talk:Back from the Dead

2022-10-06T19:10:32Z

Levyshahar: Created page with "Isn’t there a continuity error here? Prime saying megatron is long dead, when he just recently saw him in the end of the time wars. Also, maybe worth mentioning which megatr..."

Megatron (SG)

2021-09-02T15:02:14Z

Levyshahar: Removed the soon-to-be as it’s already out

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|''This article is about the heroic Decepticon leader. For his evil counterpart(s), see [[Megatron (G1)]], [[Galvatron (G1)]]. For other meanings, see [[Megatron (disambiguation)]], [[Galvatron (disambiguation)]].''
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:''Megatron is the [[Decepticon leader|nice leader]] of the heroic [[Decepticon]]s in the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:TFLegends-SGMegatron.jpg|thumb|right|300px|In the mirrorverse, math isn't evil.]]

'''Megatron''' was a young mathematician who lectured at a university in [[Polyhex]]. Because of this, he noticed a disturbing trend in the numbers: civil war was certain! His colleagues just called him crazy and laughed it off, but when the maniacal [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] and his evil army of [[Autobot]]s took over [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Megatron had been waiting in the underground, forming a resistance movement to take back Cybertron and keep the Autobots from conquering the universe and plundering it, as they had done to Cybertron.<ref>BotCon 2008 ''Timelines''/''Shattered Glass'' Megatron bio card</ref>

When an attempted coup by [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] resulted in [[Cyclonus (SG)|one of his trusted soldiers]] assassinating him, Megatron was resurrected by [[Nexus Prime]] into an even more powerful form known as '''Galvatron'''. Fueled by both the power of the [[Thirteen]] and a vision of a healed, peaceful Cybertron granted to him in the [[Transformer afterlife|Allspark]], he is now an even more determined and powerful adversary to the evil Autobots, though the betrayal he suffered sometimes still haunts him.<ref>''Shattered Glass'' Galvatron profile in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30|TFCC magazine #30]]</ref>

In both forms, he can wield the mighty [[Rumbler (SG)|Rumbler]] tank, his weapon of choice.

{{quote|Your tyranny ends here, Prime! Cybertronians will once again know the freedom which is their right!|Megatron|"[[Shattered Glass (issue)|Shattered Glass]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications ''Shattered Glass'' continuity===
[[File:Shatteredglassmegatrondecepticons.jpg|left|upright=1.5|thumb|See? So friendly.]]
There were those who opposed the tyranny of Optimus Prime's merciless Autobots, but they were scattered. But there would come a leader, and Megatron emerged from the city of [[Polyhex]] to unite them. After retaking some of Cybertron, Megatron pushed the odds in his favor by inventing the art of [[transformation]] and renaming his forces "Decepticons." However, Optimus Prime was able to duplicate this technology, and intended to use it to conquer other worlds.

As Optimus Prime built his ''[[Ark (SG)|Ark]]'' for this purpose, Megatron and his inner circle planned to derail Prime's attempts at expansion. During a critical moment, the body of what appeared to be one of Optimus Prime's former lieutenants, [[Cliffjumper (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Cliffjumper]], was discovered by them and brought into their Polyhex stronghold. It was discovered that Cliffjumper had traveled from another universe which mirrored their own. After some misgivings, Cliffjumper agreed to aid them in their assault on the ''Ark'' and lent the technology from his [[glass gas]] towards the cause. On the battlefield, Prime was enraged that Cliffjumper had double-crossed him, and Megatron took the shot that was meant for the strange traveler. Cliffjumper was finally convinced of where he stood and backed Megatron whole-heartedly, and after destroying the ''Ark'' and its launching platform, Megatron critically wounded Prime and called his forces into retreat. {{storylink|Shattered Glass (issue)|Shattered Glass}}

Sometime later, Megatron led the defense of the [[Arch-Ayr]] fuel dump that the [[Decepticon]]s had recently rediscovered. He ended up being injured enough to be taken out of the fight, and [[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]] fussed over and helped repair him. As the situation started looking dire, Megatron considered destroying the fuel dump to keep it out of Autobot hands. Fortunately, [[Soundwave (SG)|Soundwave]] called in the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad]] right at that moment. Megatron was impressed at the squad's skill in beating back the Autobots, but a bit put off by their... enthusiasm.

When the [[Dinobot (SG)|Dinobots]]' appearance further disrupted the fight and sent the Autobots packing back to [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], the Decepticons discussed the now running-loose Dinobots. Megatron agreed with [[Dirge (SG)|Dirge]]'s suggestion that they attempt to capture some of them to bolster their own forces. He ordered Starscream to gather a small force of their best mechs and have them commence the "Dinobot Hunt". {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}}

A short time before the launch of the Autobots' ''Ark'', Megatron flew out to the [[Temple of Knowledge]], believing he had been summoned by [[Boltax (SG)|Boltax]]. Instead, it was [[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]] who had lured Megatron into a trap. Ricochet and [[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] subdued the Decepticon leader. The Autobot [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]s hung Megatron over a pit lined with deathtraps and broadcast a ransom to the Decepticons. Ricochet believed that the Decepticons would not follow the ''Ark'' into space without Megatron. However, the Decepticons chose to send a small force to rescue him while continuing the preparations for departure. Optimus Prime also arrived, angry with Ricochet's plan. The Decepticon Micromasters distracted the Autobots, allowing Megatron to escape his prison. Megatron snatched up Ricochet's weapon, Nightstick, but Nightstick took control of Megatron's arm. Optimus took advantage of the situation, grabbing Megatron's own weapon [[Rumbler (SG)|Rumbler]] and charging at Megatron. Megatron turned, though, and Rumbler's sword severed Megatron's wrist, allowing him to regain control of his arm. Rumbler returned to Megatron's side and the Autobots retreated. {{storylink|Do Over}}

Using specifications from the Decepticons on Earth, a [[stellar spanner]] was constructed to link to Earth. Once it was operational, Megatron contacted Starscream to coordinate the first transfer. He sent [[Shockwave (SG)|Shockwave]] to Earth as an ambassador, and authorized a troop exchange so half of the Decepticons on Earth could return home. Unfortunately after Shockwave arrived on Earth, the Earth-end spanner had technical difficulties. {{storylink|Transhuman}}

[[File:SGCyclonus Reunification4.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Cyclonus is a traitor? Yeah, whatever, maybe in OPPOSITE LAND.]]
When [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]], [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], and [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]] arrived at the Decepticons' base to ask after [[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]], Megatron welcomed them in, with the proviso that they explain why they were looking for Heatwave and being chased by [[Computron (SG)|Computron]]. After Landquake finished said explanation, Megatron sent [[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]] to fetch Heatwave. As they waited, he told Aquarius that he looked forward to an alliance between the Decepticons and [[Quintesson]]s. Once Heatwave arrived, Megatron told their visitors that he hoped his "skilled soldier" could answer their questions.

Unfortunately, further discussion was cut short when Megatron was shocked and caught off-guard by Cyclonus opening fire on him, in an assassination plot masterminded by Alpha Trion. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 4}} {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}} The traitor Cyclonus was escorted away, but it was too late: Megatron was dead. However, Breakaway believed they could return Megatron to life if the four travelers and Heatwave put their hands on Megatron's body. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}}

[[File:NexusPrimeRevivesGalvatron TheComingStorm1.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|I'm not sure! I'm afraid we'll have to use... MATH.]]
They were successful, as the gestalt members' ministrations resulted in both them being reborn as Nexus Prime, and Megatron being resurrected as Galvatron. The two went out to face down [[Omega Doom]], who had arrived outside of the Decepticon base.

When Nexus Prime went into space to deal with a deadly missile Omega Doom launched towards the sun during the fight, Galvatron stayed behind and led his Decepticons in a defense against the behemoth. Omega Doom was able to defeat all of his attackers and damage Galvatron, but by that time Nexus Prime had finished dealing with the missile, and laid the smackdown on Omega Doom.

As he later received repairs from [[Mixmaster (SG)|Mixmaster]] and [[Scavenger (SG)|Scavenger]], Galvatron told Nexus Prime he respected the gestalt's choice to leave, and gave him use of the stellar spanner they had retrieved from Alpha Trion's laboratory. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}} {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

Galvatron's style of leadership was noticeably different than Megatron's. Even Starscream had difficulty accepting the two as the same being. Galvatron's decision to pardon Cyclonus for the assassination of Megatron was a particular sore point among the rank and file Decepticons. {{storylink|Coalescence}}

When he learned of [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]'s plan to invade Cliffjumper's home universe, Galvatron dispatched a strike team to warn the heroic Autobots. Unfortunately, Magnus succeeded in destroying that universe using the [[Terminus Blade]], relic of the Thirteen. Only that universe's Earth survived, transporting into orbit near Galvatron's Cybertron. {{storylink|Invasion (issue)|Invasion}} Galvatron coordinated with [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)|Metalhawk]] in bringing their two forces together, and fast-tracked repairs on the stellar spanner to ensure easy travel between their two worlds. {{storylink|Solar Requiem}}

When more refugees from Cliffjumper's world arrived after a detour into the past, Galvatron welcomed [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Mammoth]] and his crew as well. {{storylink|Falling into Place}} Upon learning of an Autobot attack on [[Decepticon City (SG)|Decepticon City]], Galvatron rallied his forces aboard the ''[[Annex]]'' to assist Starscream on negative-Earth. {{storylink|Distant Fissures}}

[[File:GalvatronDecepticonCityDebark.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|Isn't a helicopter a bit of a step down from a space jet?]]
Arriving at Decepticon City, Galvatron leapt into the fray and hunted down Optimus Prime for a one-on-one duel. During their conflict, the treacherous Rodimus jumped in between the combatants, ostensibly to claim the credit for taking down the weakened Galvatron. In fact, he dropped a blaster in easy reach of the Decepticon leader, so that when Optimus ordered him out of the way, Galvatron was armed to destroy Prime. {{storylink|Memory's Splinter}} Galvatron's last round of blaster fire finished Prime, and the Autobots beat a hasty retreat aboard [[Sky Lynx (SG)|Sky Lynx]]. Starscream was ready to celebrate, but Galvatron's lingering connection to the Thirteen warned him the danger wasn't over yet. {{storylink|Restoration}}

Flying back to Cybertron, Galvatron discovered he was correct when the planet came to life, becoming the Dark God [[Primus]] who wanted to attack Earth. Galvatron's ship was driven off by Primus's immense power, but the positive-Earth surprised everyone by transforming into a mechanical Light God named Gaea, and decapitating her foe. With Primus destroyed, Gaea offered her planet body as a new Cybertron for the displaced populace. Optimus Prime had been restored by Primus's opposite, Unicron, as the more enlightened Nova Prime. Galvatron accepted his old foe and Nova's Knights of Unicron as guardians of the new order, and the heroic Decepticons and Autobots formed a governance council to oversee their combined people. {{storylink|The Future Buried...}}

Galvatron was later given a briefing on the doings of [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|his villainous counterpart]] and Rodimus, noting it was very in character for the latter to hide in the [[Skuxxoid Cluster]]. {{storylink|Divination}}

===''Recordicons''===
Megatron was annoyed when Ravage's inability to be an effective guard led the Decepticons to be captured and subjected to a smelting pool. {{storylink|Recordicons issue 29|Recordicons #29}}
{{--}}

===''Timelines''===
[[File:EpilogueTwo SoundwaveMegatronStarscream.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6]]

Megatron was the leader of the heroic Decepticons on Earth. When the Decepticons captured the infiltration robot [[Nightbird (SG)|Nightbird]], their [[Cobra]] ally [[Tomax Xamot|Xamot]] assured Megatron that Cobra fully supported the Decepticons against the evil Autobots.
{{storylink|Epilogue Two}}
{{--}}

===IDW ''Shattered Glass'' comic===
{{comingsoon|when=September 29, 2021}}
{{--}}

==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
When the Autobots were intending to launch from Cybertron in a battleship, Megatron led an attack on their base of operations, and he and his men were able to destroy the Autobot ship. {{storylink|Shattered Glass (Legends)|Shattered Glass}}

===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
[[File:ForgedtoFight Megatron SG.png|thumb]]
{{storylink|Shattered Bridges}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''Timelines''===
[[File:ShatteredGlasstoy-Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Apparently, he carries around a mini [[Megazarak (Universe)|Megazarak]] on his arm.]]
*'''Megatron & Rodimus''' (Convention Souvenir 3-Pack, [[2008]])
**''Accessories'': "Rumbler" Tank-cannon, missile, sword-blade

:''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' Megatron is a [[redeco]] and [[retool]] of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]-exclusive Ultra Class evil ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Super Link]]'' [[Megatron (Armada)/toys#Ultra|Galvatron]], with a more heroic color scheme and a new head mold based on an early character model for [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (see below). He comes with [[Rodimus (SG)#Toys|Rodimus]] and [[Divebomb (SG)#Toys|Divebomb]] as a bagged set, limited to 1100 pieces.

:Megatron transforms into a silver and black Cybertronic jet with red accents and blue translucents. Included is the "[[Rumbler (SG)|Rumbler]]" tank (which is originally a representation of ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' Megatron's tank form, and a sort-of homage of [[Megazarak (Universe)|Megazarak]]), which can plug onto the top of the vehicle mode and can also fire missiles out of its spring-loaded main gun (presumably meant to be a [[fusion cannon]]). [[Super Mode|Hyper Mode]] can be activated by tugging his transparent wing tips outward, which extends the blue sections, raises the upper gray parts of his wings in an "X-wing" configuration, and deploys the red weapons underneath. In robot mode, Rumbler can be attached to either of his arms as a cannon, or it can be flipped around and have a sword attached to the rear of its turret. Like most convention exclusives, the electronics from this accessory have been stripped out to keep costs down.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/BCMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Megatron at TFU.info]''

{{-}}{{anchor|Galvatron}}
[[File:SGtoy-Galvatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Bwah! Free candy and ponies for all Earth children! Bwah!]]
*'''Galvatron & Thundercracker''' (Convention souvenir 2-pack, [[2011]])
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles, rotor blades, Cyber Key

:''Timelines'' Galvatron is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Voyager Class [[Evac (Cybertron)#Voyager|Evac]], and transforms into a gray and purple Eurocopter Dauphin rescue helicopter. His rotor blades spin using a geared push-button, and become a spinning-blade weapon mounted on his robot mode's left arm. He has an [[Retractable string gimmick|adjustable tow-hook on a string]], which retracts with the push of a button: this gimmick ends up on his right robot-mode arm. Inserting a [[Cyber Key]] into his back end (backpack in robot mode) swings around a pair of spring-loaded [[missile]] launchers which double as the helicopter's engine exhausts when not deployed (or loaded with missiles, for that matter).

:Galvatron came with ''Shattered Glass'' [[Thundercracker (SG)#Toys|Thundercracker]] and both were limited to 1800 pieces. The mold was also used for [[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|''Universe'']] [[Blades (G1)#Universe (2008)|Autobot Blades]], and [[Springer (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Springer]].

:Because of the glorious nature of [[5 mm post|5mm post]]s, Galvatron is capable of attaching the tank included with his previous toy to his arm for additional firepower.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Decepticon/BCGalvatron/galvatron.htm More information on Galvatron at TFU.info]''
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===''Generations''===
[[File:TF-Shattered-Glass-Collection-Megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Megatron''' (Voyager Class, [[2021]])
**''Accessories:'' [[Fusion cannon]], sword/tank cannon, "Energon wings", cockpit/shield

:Released as part of the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Shattered Glass Collection|Shattered Glass Collection]]'' subline, Megatron is a redeco of ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Megatron]] with additional accessories, transforming from a robot into a tank or a "Cybertronian spaceship".<ref>[https://hasbropulse.com/products/transformers-generations-shattered-glass-collection-megatron-idw-s-shattered-glass-megatron-exclusive-hasbro-pulse-variant-cover Hasbro Pulse description:] "Converts from robot to Cybertronian spaceship mode in 18 steps"</ref> Megatron can don multiple weapons or [[Fire Blast effect]]s using his various [[5 mm post|5 mm ports]] and 3 mm posts as part of the [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]]. Megatron comes with the fusion cannon and a sword that can store on his back or transform into a cannon for tank mode. Due to the way Megatron transforms, it's possible to rotate the turret 180 degrees and use the fusion cannon solely as the tank barrel, in the event one loses his sword.

:Aside from the ''Siege'' toy's original accessories, Megatron comes with a pair of wing pieces and a cockpit piece for spaceship mode. The wings are molded and colored after the original [[#Toys|''Shattered Glass'' Megatron]], in turn being based on ''Energon'' Megatron's wings, which is likely why they are referred to as "Energon wings" by the [[Hasbro Pulse]] product description.<ref>Hasbro Pulse description: "Features red Decepticon logo and detachable Energon wings in robot mode"</ref> The wings can attach to Megatron's back to evoke the original toy, and the cockpit can function as a shield.

:Sadly, Megatron's tank mode from the original ''Siege'' release is not featured in his instructions.

:It is unknown if this release of Megatron will suffer the same slight design flaws regarding the left ankle, or if it will feature tighter ankle joints and a weakened snap from the Netflix ''Trilogy'' release.

:Megatron also includes the [[Shards issue 2|second issue]] of [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (IDW)|Shattered Glass]]'' comic, with an exclusive cover featuring spot UV.

:Much like the rest of the subline, Megatron is a Hasbro Pulse exclusive in the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. There, he was first open to Premium Members, and briefly the public, at $29.99 USD. It was later changed to the correct price of $36.99 USD.

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==Notes==
[[File:SGMegatroncharactermodel.jpg|thumb]]
*[[Dan Khanna]] designed Megatron's black helmet and a silver face, basing them on [[Megatron (G1)|"Generation 1" Megatron]]'s prototype [[character model]] seen in the first Transformers [[commercial]], early issues of the Marvel Comics, and Megatron's Marvel ''[[The Transformers Universe|Transformers Universe]]'' profile. Megatron's brief appearance in "[[Epilogue Two]]" and 2021's ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (IDW)|Shards]]'' comic use a recolored version of an [[:File:EvolutionOfMegatron.jpg|an earlier character model]] (at right) for the original Megatron as a basis.
*The [[Fun Publications]] photography incorrectly shows the Rodimus/Megatron set as having come with [[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]] instead of Divebomb.
*Megatron using math to predict future trends is based on {{w|psychohistory (fictional)|psychohistory}} from {{w|Isaac Asimov}}'s {{w|Foundation series}} of novels,<ref>http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=70915#70915</ref> but if we wanted to be cynical about it, we'd probably point out that it's more likely inspired by its then-recent importance in [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]]'s ''Civil War'' crossover, wherein [[Mister Fantastic]]'s usage of psychohistory defined his character arc in the event.
*Fun Publications' [[Jesse Wittenrich]] developed SG Megatron's Galvatron form [[:File:Galvatronsgcustom.jpg|by painting]] a ''[[War Within (toyline)|War Within]]'' [[Springer (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Springer]] he didn't want.
*Galvatron's creation is tied to [[Primus]], mirroring Generation 1 Galvatron's [[Unicron]]ian origin.
*While several other characters have received multiple BotCon exclusive toys, he and his pack-mate Thundercracker are the only ones to be "off-theme" exclusives, being ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' toys sold at an ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''-oriented convention.

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
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|disambig=Megatron (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Megatron (SG Animated)|Megatron]], the heroic counterpart to [[Megatron (Animated)|''Animated'' Megatron]].
*[[Megatron (SG BB)|Megatron]], the heroic counterpart to [[Megatron (Movie)|Movie series Megatron]].}}

==References==
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[[Category:Convention-original characters]]
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[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
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The Legacy of Unicron!

2021-07-17T22:15:04Z

Levyshahar: /* Other Trivia */

{{disambig3.5|the comic story|the trade paperback that reprints it|Transformers: Legacy of Unicron|Legacy}}
{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|''The Transformers'' (UK)]] #146–151
|prev=Stargazing
|next=Enemy Action!
|title="The Legacy of Unicron!"
|image=MarvelUK-150.jpg
|caption=Well, there goes the [[Cybertron (planet)|neighbourhood]].
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]
|coverdate=[[January 2|2nd January]] - [[February 6|6th February]] [[1988]]
|script=[[Simon Furman]]
|art=[[Geoff Senior]] (#146-147) [[Dan Reed]] (#148-149) [[Bryan Hitch]] (#151)
|pencils=[[Jeff Anderson]] (#150)
|inks=[[Stephen Baskerville]] (#150) Assists: Geoff Senior (#151)
|colours=[[Steve White]]
|letters=[[Annie Halfacree]] (#146-150) [[Richard Starkings]] (#151)
|chronology=[[Marvel Comics timeline#Original future|Original future (2008)]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]] (Marvel UK)
}}
'''Rodimus Prime and Death's Head battle Unicron on Junk and learn of the Transformers' origin.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Deathshead147shockdeath.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.3|"Juicy fruit?"]]
On [[January 1]], [[2008]], "freelance peacekeeping agent" [[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]] chases his latest bounties, the [[Decepticon]]s [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], to the skies over [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]]. After a brief but intense battle, all three succumb to the thrall of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]], whose head landed on Junk following events in [[The Transformers: The Movie|2005]]. After assassinating [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]], the [[Decepticon leader]] in 2008, Cyclonus and Scourge send the Decepticon army on a suicide assault against the [[Autobot]]-controlled [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Unicron hopes that both armies will devastate each other in battle, thereby granting his long-desired revenge against the [[Transformer]] race.

Unicron has also enslaved the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]], and has forced them to attach his head to Junk to serve as his new body. He has also had them construct a [[time portal]], which will allow him to retrieve his errant creation, [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] from his refuge in [[1988]].

[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]], and [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] land on Junk shortly thereafter and are attacked by Death's Head and the Junkions, Unicron's unwilling pawns. Wreck-Gar is blasted and captured by Death's Head, but escapes when his captor is distracted by a command from Unicron. Inferno and Smokescreen escape to Cybertron in their [[Autobot shuttle|shuttle]], only to be shot down by Cyclonus and Scourge. Inferno dies in the resulting crash, after throwing Smokescreen from the ship. Smokescreen reports the situation on Junk to [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]]. After some hesitation, Rodimus agrees to go to Junk, and brings [[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]] and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] along as backup.

On Junk, Death's Head decides that he's through with being Unicron's slave, and opens fire on his master. Unicron, unimpressed, begins to mentally torture the non-bounty hunter. To escape the pain, Death's Head forces his psyche away from his body and into Unicron's mind, on the astral plane. There, after trading verbal jabs with the Chaos Bringer, Death's Head tricks Unicron into revealing his history and that of the Transformers.

[[File:Dinobots legacy of unicron 2.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5]]
Meanwhile, Rodimus Prime's team has arrived on Junk. Rodimus sends the Dinobots to distract the Unicron-influenced Junkions, resulting in many "innocent" Junkion casualties. Smokescreen and Scattershot stay on the Autobots' shuttle to distract Unicron with a series of strafing runs. The attack drives Unicron to expel Death's Head from his mind and recall Scourge and Cyclonus from Cybertron. With their new leaders fleeing the planet, the other Decepticons follow suit and retreat.

[[File:Deathshead151matrixholder.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"Wonder how much I can get for this on eBay?"]]
Death's Head runs into Rodimus, and the two devise a plan to defeat Unicron. Feigning obedience, Death's Head presents the seemingly inert body of Rodimus Prime—and the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]]—to his master. Rodimus then uses Death's Head's mental projection to insert himself into Unicron's mind. There he is savagely attacked by the Chaos Bringer.

Wreck-Gar, having escaped Death's Head and his Junkion brethren earlier, had tunneled beneath Unicron's head and set up a series of explosive charges. Death's Head discovers this and immediately pulls Rodimus from the mind link with Unicron.

Scourge and Cyclonus arrive on Junk just before the explosives detonate. Death's Head, seeing an opportunity to claim his original quarry, tackles the duo through the now-activated time portal. Wreck-Gar's charges detonate, destroying both Unicron and the time portal. Rodimus Prime, after verifying that his friends are safe, comes to realize that Unicron has not been destroyed completely, but is now trapped within the Matrix.

Cyclonus and Scourge were sent back in time far enough to become soldiers in [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok's]] army, but Death's Head disappeared thereafter.
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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
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{{collist|2|
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (5)
*[[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] (7)
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] (8)
*[[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]] (16)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (17)
*[[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] (18)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (19)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] (20)
*[[Slag (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Slag]] (21)
*[[Snarl (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Snarl]] (22)
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]] (23)
*[[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] (24)
*[[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (25)
*[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] (26)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (30)
*[[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]] (31)
*[[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] (33)
*[[Swoop (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Swoop]] (35)
*[[Sludge (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Sludge]] (36)
}}
|c2=
*[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] (1)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (2)
*[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] (9)
*[[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]] (11)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] (12)
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (13)
*[[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (14)
*[[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (15)
*[[Octane]] (27)
*[[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] (28)
*[[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]] (34)
*[[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]] (37)
|h4=[[Junkion (species)|Junkions]]|c4=
*[[Junkyard (G1)|Junkyard]] (4)
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] (6)
*[[Scrapheap (G1)|Scrapheap]] (29)
|h5=Others|c5=
*[[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]] (3)
*[[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] (10)
*[[Primus]] (32)
}}

==Quotes==
"'''Pathetic!''' Hoped for more courage, yes? Should have known better, huh? Still, I - '''UNNH!'''" 
"'''Hah!''' Hoped for more intelligence...'''yes?''' Die, bounty hunter-" 
"'''Think not!'''" 
"'''AAIEE!'''"
:—'''Death's Head''' and '''Scourge''' trade both quips and blows.

"Anyway, '''Inferno''' and '''Smokescreen''' will drop you off at Junk and return with the shuttle. Goodbye, Wreck-Gar...'''may all your programmes be serials!'''"
:—'''Rodimus Prime''' gives his old friend a most appropriate send off.

"Thar she blows, cap'n. '''Junkions''' on the horizon. And tonight on Question Time, we ask - what are they doing here?" 
"'''Surprise party?'''"
:—'''Wreck-Gar''' and '''Inferno'''

"Go? Yes - end of part one. But I'll be back right after the break, Unicron - '''count on it!'''"
:—'''Wreck-Gar'''

"'''Heh''' - face it, Inferno, you always did want to go out...'''in a blaze of glory!'''"
:—'''Inferno''' lives up to his name.

"I...yes, you're right! Prepare a shuttle. The Dinobots, Smokescreen, Scattershot and I will leave for Junk immediately. The Matrix will deliver us from Unicron! [''Thinking''] '''I hope!'''"
:—'''Rodimus Prime'''

"'''I defy you, Unicron, yes?'''"
:—'''Death's Head''', consummate badass, yes? ''Yes.''

"Hmm. Well, perhaps by daring so much, you have earned a last request of sorts. Yes, I shall tell you a tale unheard by any mortal creature...'''the origin of Unicron!'''" 
''Elsewhere, in the real world...'' 
"'''Unicron!''' If only we knew more about him!"
:—'''Unicron''' and '''Rodimus Prime''' have excellent dramatic timing.

==Notes==
===Artwork notes===
*Primus is deliberately modeled on Rodimus Prime because Rodimus is the hero here.<ref>''[[The Transformers Classics UK Volume 5]]'', "The Legacy of Furman" feature: "a no-brainer", Furman calls it</ref>
===Artwork and technical errors===
*On the final page of Part 6, Scorponok's "horns" are drawn to be rising from behind his back and two or three times bigger than usual.
*In the same panel a bit of rubble behind Scorponok is colored the same lilac tone as his torso, as though it were a massive backpack.

===Continuity errors===
*Unicron requires the Junkions to construct a time portal to retrieve Galvatron from 1988. However, in a later story also penned by Furman, the Unicron of the main Marvel US continuity kidnaps a [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] from an alternate future timeline without the use of a time portal. Perhaps the Chaos Bringer usually has a time portal housed somewhere in his body, and being little more than a head in this story left him with no option but to build an external one?
*The planet is called Junk. Presumably by now Simon Furman had seen the [[The Transformers: The Movie|movie]] where both [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and Unicron refer to the "planet of junk", but was unaware that both the movie script and the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon series]] called it '''Junkion'''. This is not the first time [[Life Spark|this sort of thing]] happened in the UK comic...
*In [[Hunters|1987]] Soundwave was able to read Death Head's thoughts, so why can't he in 2008 to determine whether or not he's bluffing? Though it's possible Death's Head could have come up with a defense, or less likely that Soundwave lost this ability, neither is ever mentioned.

===Continuity notes===
*Grapple can be seen in Part 3 gunning down one Decepticon at pointblank range ''without looking'' while also firing on Blitzwing. This is surprisingly awesome for the guy.
*This is the first version of Furman's big origin story. Interestingly, Unicron only refers to wanting "total domination" of the universe rather than total annihilation. This, and the idea of Unicron and Primus as entities among larger pantheons, would get dropped later on. Also note that Rodimus isn't aware of Primus at all until Death's Head mentions it; when Furman moves to America with "[[Yesterday's Heroes!]]", Primus is now the Transformers' official god and they're shocked to discover he's real.
*By going back in time to serve under Scorponok, Furman reconciled Cyclonus and Scourge's appearances in the United Kingdom story with their first appearance in the United States ''[[The Transformers: Headmasters|Headmasters]]'' limited series.
*Death's Head, although gone from the United Kingdom Transformers timeline, was far from dead. After [[wikia:tardis:The Crossroads of Time|an encounter]] with the [[Doctor]], he was then sent to the regular Marvel continuity, and subsequently starred in a series of short-lived titles.
*The future Autobots were last seen in "[[Headhunt]]". After this story, they appear next in "[[The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006]]" and "[[Space Pirates!]]".
*Unicron claims that inside his mind, the Matrix actually makes him ''stronger''. His other claim, that he can absorb it and they will become one stronger entity, [[Shadow of Evil|turned out]] [[White Fire|to be true]]. However, the "make me stronger" bit doesn't work when it's Unicron inside the Matrix and not vice versa.
*The main villain of the piece has his half completed giant construction destroyed with explosives whilst he is distracted. Haven't we [[Target: 2006|seen]] this [[Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!|before]]?

===Junkionisms===
Most of Wreck-Gar's pop-culture references in this story are generic TV, film and sports references that don't refer to any shows in particular, unlike past and future issues that include a lot of references to British television programmes. There are still a few that can be singled out, though:
*"Tonight on Question Time, we ask..."—A reference to the topical debate TV show of the {{w|Question Time (TV series)|same name}}.
*"Quite remarkable!"—Wreck-Gar's reaction to seeing Unicron's head was the catchphrase of the late sports commentator {{w|David Coleman}}; British readers of a certain age will find it difficult not to read the line in Coleman's voice.
*"Four faults!"—In showjumping, "faults" are penalties received for mistakes. "Four faults" is a common number, and Wreck-Gar subjects himself to this amount after being forced to kill a Junkion in Part 2. The equine theme continues in Part 5, when he sets off a bomb timer with a cry of "And they're off!"
*Wreck-Gar's opening monologue from Part 5 is done in the style of the famous mission briefings from ''{{w|Mission: Impossible}}'', using many of the famous quotes from that show ("Your mission, should you choose to accept it..." "...disavow any knowledge..." "...will self-destruct in five seconds!"). In the midst of it, he sneaks in a reference to the shampoo, {{w|Head & Shoulders}}.
*"Analysis, [[Spock|Mister Spock]]!"—If you don't know, we can't help you.
*"It's time to countdown to today's prize."—''{{w|Countdown (game show)|Countdown}}'' is a long-running British TV quiz show.
*"So it's goodnight from me... and goodnight from him!"—This two-man farewell was uttered by {{w|Ronnie Barker}} and {{w|Ronnie Corbett}} at the conclusion of each episode of their television series, ''{{w|The Two Ronnies}}''.
*"Th-th-that's all, folks!"—Again, if you don't recognise this, there's nothing that can be done for you.

===Other Trivia===
*How ''did'' Furman and [[Richard Starkings|Starkings]] sell Hasbro on this whole Primus thing? Well, Furman would reveal in an interview for ''[[The Transformers Classics UK Volume 5|Classics UK]]'' that they just didn't ask: "If we'd said, 'We want to do the origin of the Transformers', they'd have said 'I don't know about that...' But we thought if we presented it as a ''fait accompli'' in a script, along with some part-completed pages... In the end it didn't even show up on their radar."<ref>''[[The Transformers Classics UK Volume 5]]'', "The Legacy of Furman" feature</ref>
*Unicron's mind is full of rainbows! Who knew?
*This was the first Transformers story [[Bryan Hitch]] worked on, and [[Geoff Senior]] wouldn't draw another story for [[A Small War!|quite a while]] due to moving to ''Dragon's Claws''.
*The giant battle in issue #148 is the only double page spread in all of the UK stories.

===Back-up material===
'''Issue #146'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''[[Iron Man]]'' — "Stratosfire" and ''[[Robo-Capers]]''
*'''[[Transformers AtoZ|AtoZ]]:''' [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] and [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]]

'''Issue #147'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''Iron Man'' — "Stratosfire" and ''Robo-Capers''

'''Issue #148'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''Iron Man'' — "Stratosfire" and ''Robo-Capers''
*'''[[Transformers AtoZ|AtoZ]]:''' [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] and [[Groove (G1)|Groove]]

'''Issue #149'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''Iron Man'' — "Stratosfire" and ''Robo-Capers''

'''Issue #150'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''Iron Man'' — "Stratosfire" and ''Robo-Capers''
*'''[[Transformers AtoZ|AtoZ]]:''' [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]]

'''Issue #151'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''Iron Man'' — "Stratosfire" and ''Robo-Capers''
*'''[[Transformers AtoZ|AtoZ]]:''' [[Headstrong (G1)|Headstrong]] and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]]

===Covers (6)===
*'''Issue #146 cover:''' Death's Head strangling Cyclonus, by [[Lee Sullivan]].
*'''Issue #147 cover:''' a Unicron-guided Death's Head takes on Shockwave, by [[Jeff Anderson]], [[Stephen Baskerville]] and [[John Burns]].
*'''Issue #148 cover:''' Blurr, Kup & Rodimus Prme take on Decepticons, by [[Dan Reed]] and John Burns.
*'''Issue #149 cover:''' Smokescreen through the windscreen, by [[Barry Kitson]] & [[Robin Bouttell]].
*'''Issue #150 cover:''' Rodimus Prime & Unicron wraparound cover, by [[Jerry Paris]] & John Burns.
*'''Issue #151 cover:''' Death's Head & Rodimus Prime team up to fight Unicron, by Lee Sullivan.
<gallery>
File:MarvelUK-146.jpg|'''Issue #146'''
File:MarvelUK-147.jpg|'''Issue #147'''
File:MarvelUK-148.jpg|'''Issue #148'''
File:MarvelUK-149.jpg|'''Issue #149'''
File:MarvelUK-150.jpg|'''Issue #150'''
File:MarvelUK-151.jpg|'''Issue #151'''
</gallery>

===Reprints===
*'''Issue #290 cover:''' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s corpse, by [[Staz|Stewart Johnson]].
*'''Issue #291 cover:''' [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Bumblebee]] about to be attacked by the alien, by Stewart Johnson.
*'''Issue #292 cover:''' [[Windsweeper]] attacked by the alien, by Stewart Johnson.
*'''Issue #293 cover:''' [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] with the Matrix, by Stewart Johnson.
*'''Issue #294 cover:''' dead [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]], by Stewart Johnson.
*'''Issue #295 cover:''' Thunderwing's ugly mug, by Stewart Johnson.
<gallery>
File:MarvelUK-290.jpg|'''Issue #290'''
File:MarvelUK-291.jpg|'''Issue #291'''
File:MarvelUK-292.jpg|'''Issue #292'''
File:MarvelUK-293.jpg|'''Issue #293'''
File:MarvelUK-294.jpg|'''Issue #294'''
File:MarvelUK-295.jpg|'''Issue #295'''
</gallery>
*'''Issue #296 cover:''' Kup vs the evil Matrix, by Stephen Baskerville.
*'''Issue #297 cover:''' Thunderwing speared, by [[Staz]].
*'''Issue #298 cover:''' [[Galvatron II]] emerging in the New York harbor, by Stewart Johnson.
*'''Issue #299 cover:''' Galvatron II before a dead Rodimus Prime, by [[John Marshall]] and Stewart Johnson.
*'''Issue #300 cover:''' Autobots attack, by John Marshall and Stewart Johnson.
*'''Issue #301 cover:''' Autobots victorious, by John Marshall, Stewart Johnson and Robin Bouttell.
<gallery>
File:MarvelUK-296.jpg|'''Issue #296'''
File:MarvelUK-297.jpg|'''Issue #297'''
File:MarvelUK-298.jpg|'''Issue #298'''
File:MarvelUK-299.jpg|'''Issue #299'''
File:MarvelUK-300.jpg|'''Issue #300'''
File:MarvelUK-301.jpg|'''Issue #301'''
</gallery>
*'''[[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 16|''Transformers Comic-Magazin'' #16]] cover:''' a multicolored [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]].
*'''[[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 17|''Transformers Comic-Magazin'' #17]] cover:''' pass.
*'''[[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 18|''Transformers Comic-Magazin'' #18]] cover:''' an actual image of Unicron.
*'''''[[Transformers: Legacy of Unicron]]'' TPB:''' Unicron's head vs Rodimus Prime, Wreck-Gar & Death's Head, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Oliver Harud]].
*'''[[The Transformers Classics UK Volume 5|''The Transformers Classics UK'' Volume 5]] cover:''' the head of Unicron watches over [[Triton]] swapping his badge, [[Zombie]] [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] attacking Springer, a fleeing Cyclonus and Scourge and an angry [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]], by [[Andrew Wildman]].
*'''''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection]], Volume 11: The Legacy of Unicron:''''' Wreck-Gar and Unicron by [[Don Figueroa]] and [[Dan Reed]].
<gallery>
File:Tf commag 16.JPG|'''''Transformers Comic-Magazin'' #16''' (Condor Verlag, 1991)
File:Tf commag 17.JPG|'''''Transformers Comic-Magazin'' #17''' (Condor Verlag, 1991)
File:Tf commag 18.JPG|'''''Transformers Comic-Magazin'' #18''' (Condor Verlag, 1991)
File:TitanLoU.jpg|'''''Transformers: Legacy of Unicron''''' (Titan Books, 2003)
File:Classicuk5.jpg|'''''Classics UK'' Volume 5''''' (IDW Publishing, 2014)
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v11.jpg|'''''Definitive G1 Collection vol. 11: The Legacy of Unicron''''' (Hachette Partworks, Ltd., 2018)
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[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]

Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection

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Levyshahar: /* Volumes */

[[File:Definitive G1 Collection in full.jpg|thumb|upright=3.05|4/5 of a grand tale.]]

'''Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection''' is a fortnightly 100-volume partwork from [[Hachette]], edited by [[Simon Furman]]. Partworks are a Hachette specialty: a series will be collected out of order (the first ''Definitive'' was volume 6) for commercial purposes but can be collected on your shelf in order with a fancy picture on the collective spines. The collection aims to republish every single "Generation 1" comic ever made, including the original [[Marvel Comics]] run—UK and US—in order for the very first time. Each issue has a special cover and bonus content, and [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)#Fantastic Free Gift.21|Fantastic FREE! Gifts]] are provided for subscribers. Marvel UK strips which were originally printed in black-and-white have been given brand new colours by [[John-Paul Bove]] using emulations of both 1980s American and latter-day Marvel UK techniques.<ref>"A Different Approach to Colour", Vol.16</ref>

The series was initially announced in September 2016 to contain 60 issues—ending with the ''Dark Cybertron'' crossover—but by the time of its launch in December, it had already been extended to 80 issues, with volume 80 providing some closure in the form of ''[[The Transformers: Till All Are One| Till All Are One]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Requiem of the Wreckers| Requiem of the Wreckers]]''. In 2018, upon the conclusion of IDW's first continuity, fans observed that it would take around ten extra volumes to reprint the entire IDW catalogue—and on the 18th of July 2019, Simon Furman confirmed on Twitter that the collection had been extended by ''twenty'' issues for a total of 100.

Sounds great, right?

Well... not if you live outside the [[United Kingdom]] and [[Ireland]]. The partwork was given a trial-run in parts of the UK before a national release started in early 2017. In August 2017, the subscription also became available in [[Australia]],<ref>[http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?s=438cea1ad48786466241053a45f743ae&t=24685 Ozformers Transformers Club of Australia]: UK Definitive Comic collection from Hachette now in Australia</ref> but became unavailable in July 2018 due to the closure of the Australian distributor. In January 2019, it became available in [[Poland]],<ref>[https://transformers-kolekcja.pl/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrYTRuabz3wIVl-F3Ch2P7wirEAAYASAAEgJKLvD_BwE Polish version of official site]</ref> with volumes being released in proper chronological order.

Even for those who were able to subscribe, the partwork ended up not being quite as ''definitive'' as advertised, suffering from strange ordering and editorial choices, and from some major printing errors. Hachette's notoriously-bad customer service made it a nightmare to obtain corrected replacements.

==Volumes==
{{note|Each volume contains cover art from the original issues, plus a new introduction by Simon Furman. The bonus features below are in addition to these.}}
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! scope="col" style="width: 5px;" | Vol.
! scope="col" style="width: 5px;" | Issue
! scope="col" style="width: 125px;" | Title
! scope="col" style="width: 250px;" | Contents
! scope="col" style="width: 250px;" | Bonus Features
! scope="col" style="width: 5px;" | Release date
|-
| 06
| 01
|Target: 2006
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Target: 2006|#78–83]] "[[Cybertron: The Middle Years!]]" Marvel UK [[Target: 2006|#84–88]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Aerialbots over America!|#21]]–[[Decepticon Graffiti!|23]]
| A guide to the launch of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in the UK and its marketing purposes for Marvel UK, a "Meet... The [[Wrecker]]s" feature, a behind-the-scenes look at the development of "Target: 2006", and a spotlight on [[Geoff Senior]].
|[[December 30|30/12]]/[[2016]]
|-
| 36
| 02
| Stormbringer
| ''[[Spotlight: Shockwave]]'', ''[[Spotlight: Soundwave]]'' [[The Transformers: Stormbringer|''Stormbringer'' #1–4]] ''[[Spotlight: Nightbeat]]'', ''[[Spotlight: Hot Rod]]''
| An article on the beginning of IDW-verse production and several sketches by Figueroa.
|[[January 11|11/01]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 16
| 03
| The Primal Scream
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Cold Comfort and Joy!|#198]], [[The Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire.|#213]]–[[Survivors!|222]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Back from the Dead|#56]]–[[The Primal Scream|61]]
| An overview of the change in format of the UK series and the introduction of 5-page black-and-white strips, and an article by Bove on the colouring techniques used at Marvel UK and Marvel US in the 1980s, and how he emulated them for colourising the UK strips.
|[[January 27|27/01]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 18
| 04
| Edge of Extinction
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Rhythms of Darkness!|#67]]–[[On the Edge of Extinction!|75]]
| An overview of [[Unicron/Generation 1#Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel's Unicron]] and a spotlight on [[Andrew Wildman]].
|[[February 8|08/02]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 29
| 05
| The War Within
| [[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within #1–6]] and [[The War Within Preview|preview]]
| Various character design sketches by [[Don Figueroa]] and an article on the making of ''The War Within''.
|[[February 22|22/02]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 37
| 06
| Escalation
| ''[[Spotlight: Sixshot]]'', ''[[Spotlight: Ultra Magnus]]'' [[The Transformers: Escalation|''Escalation'' #1–6]]
| Sketches by [[E. J. Su]], bios on [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|IDW Ultra Magnus]] & [[Sixshot (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|IDW Sixshot]], an article on creating the IDW ''Spotlights'', and an interview with Su. 
|[[March 8|08/03]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 08
| 07
| Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!|#113]]–[[Fire on High!|120]] "[[Vicious Circle!]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1987|Annual 1997]]) [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[King of the Hill!|#27]]–[[Mechanical Difficulties!|28]]
| An overview of the Marvel UK Annuals and a bio on [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel Goldbug]].
|[[March 22|22/03]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 39
| 08
| Hearts of Steel
| [[Hearts of Steel|''Hearts of Steel'' #1–4]] ''[[Spotlight: Galvatron]], [[Spotlight: Optimus Prime]], [[Spotlight: Mirage]]''
| Concept art by [[Guido Guidi]] and an article about the creation of ''Hearts of Steel''.
|[[April 5|05/04]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 10
| 09
| Trial by Fire
| [[The Transformers: Headmasters|Headmasters #1–4]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Trial by Fire!|#38]]–[[The Desert Island of Space!|39]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Worlds Apart!|#130]]–[[Kup's Story!|132]]
| A retrospective on the [[The Transformers: Headmasters|''Headmasters'' miniseries]] and an overview of how Marvel UK handled toy marketing.
| [[April 19|19/04]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 21
| 10
| Regeneration One
| [[The Transformers: Regeneration One|Regeneration One]] [[Counterpoint|#80.5]]–[[Loose Ends, Part 5|85]]
| A commentary on [[Loose Ends, Part 1|issue #81]] by Simon Furman, an overview on production leading up to ''Regeneration One'', and several cover sketches.
| [[May 3|03/05]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 31
| 11
| The Iron Fist
| [[Transformers/G.I. Joe|Transformers/G.I. Joe #1–6]]
| Various character design sketches by Figueroa and an overview of the many [[G.I. Joe crossovers]] across the comics.
| [[May 17|17/05]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 50
| 12
| Heart of Darkness
| [[The Transformers: Heart of Darkness|''Heart of Darkness'' #1–4]] [[Infestation (IDW)|''The Transformers: Infestation'' #1–2]]
| A post-mortem on "[[Zombie|Zombots]]" across the various comics and a bio on [[Hardhead (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|IDW Hardhead]].
| [[May 31|31/05]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 59
| 13
| Dark Cybertron, Part 1
| [[Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1|''Dark Cybertron'' one-shot]] [[Little Victories|''More than Meets the Eye'' #22]]–[[No Exit: Dark Cybertron Chapter 6|25]] [[Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|''Robots in Disguise'' #23]]–[[Finest Hour: Dark Cybertron Chapter 5|24]]
| A bio on the [[Titan (group)|Titans]] and the making of ''Dark Cybertron'' with [[John Barber]] and James Roberts.
| [[June 14|14/06]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 01
| 14
| Power Play
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[The Transformers (issue)|#1]]–[[The Last Stand|4]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Man of Iron (issue)|#9]]–[[Raiders of the Last Ark|21]]
| The alternate ending of [[The Last Stand|Marvel US #4]], unused artwork from [[The Transformers (issue)|issue #1]] by [[Frank Springer]], and an overview of how Marvel UK first approached The Transformers.
| [[June 28|28/06]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 26
| 15
| War and Peace
| ''[[War and Peace|Transformers: Generation 1 vol. 2]]'' #1–6 and [[Transformers Volume 2 Preview|preview]]
| Top 10 Easter eggs for "[[War and Peace]]" and scorecards listing each faction and their crew members during the arc.
| [[July 12|12/07]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 35
| 16
| Primacy
| [[The Transformers: Monstrosity|''Monstrosity'' #1–4]] [[The Transformers: Primacy|''Primacy'' #1–4]]
| An interview with [[Flint Dille]] about his work on the G1 cartoon and his involvement in the ''[[The Transformers: Autocracy|Autocracy]]'' trilogy.
| [[July 26|26/07]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 64
| 17
| Windblade
| [[The Transformers: Windblade|''Windblade'' vol. 1 #1–4]] [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] [[Onyx Interface Part One: Signals, Calls, and Marches|#35]]–[[The Onyx Interface Conclusion: The Obliterati|38]]
| A bio for [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], an overview of her conception, pictures of her ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' toy, and early design sketches by Hasbro.
| [[August 9|09/08]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 19
| 18
| Perchance to Dream
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Out to Lunch!|#240]]–[[...Perchance to Dream|260]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Still Life!|#76]]–[[Exodus!|77]]
| A Marvel UK ''Classic Heroes Competition!'' page, an overview of Furman's attempts to connect Marvel UK's black-and-white strips to the US stories and how he would eventually have to abandon doing so, an article on the "[[Two Megatrons!]]" confusion, and a bio on [[Thunderwing (G1)#Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel Thunderwing]].
| [[August 23|23/08]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 40
| 19
| Maximum Dinobots
| [[The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots|''Maximum Dinobots'' #1–5]] ''[[Spotlight: Grimlock]]'', ''[[Spotlight: Wheelie]]''
| Dinobot sketches by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Klaus Scherwinski]]'s ''Spotlight: Wheelie'' sketchbook.
| [[September 6|06/09]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 22
| 20
| Natural Selection
| [[The Transformers: Regeneration One|Regeneration One]] [[Natural Selection, Part One|#86]]–[[Natural Selection, Part Five|90]] "[[Peace]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1989|Annual 1989]])
| An overview of the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic]] and several cover sketches.
| [[September 20|20/09]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 46
| 21
| Things Fall Apart
| [[The Transformers (IDW)|''The Transformers'' vol. 1]] [[Things Fall Apart, Part 1: "New Arrivals, Old Encounters"|#2]]–[[Scrapper (issue)|8]]
| Character design sketches by Figueroa, an extract from ''[[Decepticomments]]'' from [[Things Fall Apart, Part 3: "Seasons in Flight"|''The Transformers'' #4]] by [[Mike Costa]], and a bio on [[Swindle (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|IDW Swindle]].
| [[October 4|04/10]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 07
| 22
| The Harder They Die
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Prey!|#96]]–[[Resurrection!|104]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Afterdeath!|#24]]–[[Funeral for a Friend!|26]]
| An analysis of [[the many deaths of Optimus Prime]] in Generation 1.
| [[October 18|18/10]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 33
| 23
| Megatron: Origin
| [[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|''Megatron: Origin'' #1–4]] ''[[Spotlight: Blurr]]'', ''[[Omega's Conundrum|Spotlight: Orion Pax]]''
| A discussion of the production stages on ''Megatron: Origin'' by [[Eric Holmes]].
| [[November 1|01/11]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 14
| 24
| Space Pirates
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Wrecking Havoc|#172–173]], [[The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|#180]]–[[Dry Run!|189]] "[[Altered Image!]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1989|Annual 1989]]) [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[The Man in the Machine!|#51]]
| How Marvel UK incorporated ''[[The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006]]'' (US issue #43) into their timeline.
| [[November 15|15/11]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 43
| 25
| All Hail Megatron, Part 1
| [[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|''All Hail Megatron'' #1–8]]
| An article on creating ''All Hail Megatron'', character design sketches by Guidi, and the series pitch by [[Shane McCarthy]].
| [[November 29|29/11]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 52
| 26
| The Death of Optimus Prime
| [[Chaos (IDW)|''The Transformers'' vol. 1 #24, 26, 28, 30, 31]] ''[[Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime]]''
| An interview with [[James Roberts]] on how he worked his way up to become an ongoing writer, and character design sketches by [[Livio Ramondelli]].
| [[December 13|13/12]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 44
| 27
| All Hail Megatron, Part 2
| [[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|''All Hail Megatron'' #9–16]]
| A ''Decepticon Roll Call'' with mini-bios, and trivia about ''All Hail Megatron'' [[All Hail Megatron issue 13|#13]]–[[All Hail Megatron issue 16|16]], pointing out notable plot points in the ''Coda'' issues.
| [[December 27|27/12]]/[[2017]]
|-
| 20
| 28
| End of the Road
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[A Savage Circle|#78]]–[[End of the Road! (US)|80]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Starting Over!|#261]]–[[End of the Road! (UK)|289]]
| Articles about the ends of the US and UK series, including discussion of "[[Another Time & Place]]," the final letters page from #80, and script pages from #80.
| [[January 10|10/01]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 72
| 29
| The Dying of the Light
| ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|#50]]–[[The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|55]]
| The bonus story "[[No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases]] and essential background material on the [[Decepticon Justice Division|DJD]]
| [[January 24|24/01]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 75
| 30
| Titans Return, Part 1
| ''[[The Transformers: Till All Are One|Till All Are One]]'' [[07:00:00|#1]]–[[The Line Between Us|4]] [[The Last Autobot|''Titans Return'' one-shot]] [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] [[White Light|#56]]–[[White Heat|57]] ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[Ten to Midnight|#56]]–[[Last Light (issue)|57]]
| "Creating the IDW-Verse" — a two-page article on the beginning of ''More than Meets the Eye'' and ''Robots in Disguise''.
| [[February 7|07/02]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 60
| 31
| Dark Cybertron, Part 2
| [[The Dead Are Not Enough: Dark Cybertron Chapter 7|''Robots in Disguise'' #25]]–[[Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11|27]] [[Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|''More than Meets the Eye'' #26]]–[[The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|27]] [[...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|''Dark Cybertron: Finale'' one-shot]]
| A blow-by-blow account of Dark Cybertron's hidden secrets
| [[February 21|21/02]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 71
| 32
| All Hail Optimus
| [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] [[All Hail Optimus Part 1: Once Upon a Time on Earth|#50]]–[[All Hail Optimus Part 6: No Fair Fights|55]]
| Background material on the [[Council of Worlds]]
| [[March 7|07/03]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 02
| 33
| New Order
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[The New Order|#5]]–[[Repeat Performance!|8]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Decepticon Dam-Busters!|#29]]–[[The Wrath of Grimlock!|32]] Marvel US [[DIS-Integrated Circuits!|#9]]–[[The Next Best Thing to Being There!|10]] "[[And There Shall Come...a Leader!]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1985|Annual 1995]])
| Insights into Marvel UK's efforts to ease the transition between the US and UK material
| [[March 21|21/03]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 03
| 34
| Dinobot Hunt
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Christmas Breaker!|#41]]–[[Dinobot Hunt!|50]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Brainstorm!|#11]]–[[Prime Time!|12]]
| A look at the UK [[Christmas]] story tradition
| [[April 4|04/04]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 23
| 35
| Destiny
| [[The Transformers: Regeneration One|Regeneration One]] [[Destiny, Part One|#91]]–[[Destiny, Part Five|95]], [[Less Than Zero|#0]] "[[Destiny of the Dinobots!]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1990|Annual 1990]])
| A feature on Regeneration One issue #0 and rare/unseen sketchbook art
| [[April 18|18/04]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 30
| 36
| War Within: The Dark Ages
| [[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|''War Within: The Dark Ages'' #1–6]]
| Synopsis of ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Age of Wrath|War Within: the Age of Wrath]]'', including art from unfinished issues.
| [[May 2|02/05]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 45
| 37
| Last Stand of the Wreckers
| [[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #1–5]] ''[[Ride-Along|Spotlight: Prowl]]'' [[The Transformers (IDW)|''The Transformers'' vol. 1]] [[...For All Mankind|#1]]
| Interview with [[Nick Roche]], pre-production sketches and story drafts
| [[May 16|16/05]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 49
| 38
| The Iron Age
| [[The Transformers: Ironhide|''Ironhide'' #1–4]] [[The Transformers (IDW)|''The Transformers'' vol. 1]] [[Space Opera Part 1: The Stars My Destination|#19]]–[[Space Opera—Final Tableaux: Orphans of the Helix|21 ("Space Opera—Final Tableaux: Orphans of the Helix" only)]].
| Casey Coller's ''Ironhide'' sketchbook
| [[May 30|30/05]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 11
| 39
| The Legacy of Unicron
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Headhunt|#133–134]] "[[What's in a Name?]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1987|Annual 1987]]) Marvel UK [[Grudge Match!|#135]]–[[Ladies' Night (issue)|138]], [[The Legacy of Unicron!|#146–151]] "[[Ark Duty]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1987|Annual 1987]]) [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Pretender to the Throne!|#40]]–[[Totaled!|41]]
| A feature on the origins of the origin of the Transformers
| [[June 13|13/06]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 17
| 40
| Matrix Quest
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Bird of Prey!|#62]]–[[All Fall Down|66]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Aspects of Evil!|#223]]–[[A Savage Place!|239]] "[[The Chain Gang!]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1990|Annual 1990]])
| Features on the stories behind "Matrix Quest" and, Marvel UK's crossover "[[Deathbringer (Marvel)|Deathbringer]]" saga
| [[June 27|27/06]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 73
| 41
| Transformers vs G.I. Joe, Part 1
| ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' [[The Golden Boys|#0]]–[[Headmasters (issue)|7]]
| A creator commentary on issue #0 and an exclusive interview with [[Tom Scioli]]
| [[July 11|11/07]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 76
| 42
| Titans Return, Part 2
| [[The Transformers: Till All Are One|Till All Are One]] [[Ping|#5]]–[[If I Know You|11]]
| Article on ''[[Revolution]]''
| [[July 25|25/07]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 62
| 43
| Earthfall
| ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|#28]]–[[The Crucible|34]]
| The lowdown on the (new) human cast and rare promotional posters for the [[Dawn of the Autobots]] event
| [[August 8|08/08]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 04
| 44
| Second Generation
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Shooting Star!|#13]]–[[Plight of the Bumblebee!|16]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Robot Buster!|#59]]–[[Second Generation!|65]] "[[To a Power Unknown!]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1986|Annual 1996]])
| The story behind Marvel UK's Special Teams promotion
| [[August 22|22/08]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 32
| 45
| Infiltration
| [[The Transformers: Infiltration|''Infiltration'' #0–6]]
| An article on "Creating the IDW-Verse: From the Ground Up", "The Pitch" - Furman's original pitch to IDW for Infiltration, and some sketches by [[E. J. Su]].
| [[September 5|05/09]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 24
| 46
| The War to End All Wars
| ''[[The Transformers: Regeneration One|Regeneration One]]'' [[The War to End All Wars, Part 1|#96]]–[[The War to End All Wars, Part 5|100]]
| the prose story "[[King of Shadows]]" and rare/unseen sketchbook art
| [[September 19|19/09]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 28
| 47
| Worlds Collide Part 2
| ''[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|Armada]]'' [[Worlds Collide|#14]]–[[The_End|18]] [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye#Issue .238|Dreamwave's ''More than Meets the Eye'' #8]]
| A brief overview of Dreamwave's [[Transformers: Energon (comic)|Energon comic]] and a bonus glossary section dedicated entirely to background material from the Dreamwave G1-verse
| [[October 3|03/10]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 42
| 48
| Revelation
| ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight|Spotlights]]: [[Spotlight: Arcee|Arcee]], [[Spotlight: Cyclonus|Cyclonus]], [[Spotlight: Hardhead|Hardhead]], [[Spotlight: Doubledealer|Doubledealer]], [[Spotlight: Sideswipe|Sideswipe]], [[Spotlight: Jazz|Jazz]], [[Spotlight: Metroplex|Metroplex]]''
| "-Ations" retrospective, sketchbook art from Alex Milne and E. J. Su reprinted from individual ''Spotlights''
| [[October 17|17/10]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 65
| 49
| Combiner Wars
| [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] [[First Contact (IDW)|#39]]–[[Now and On Earth|42]] [[The Transformers: Windblade|''Windblade'' vol. 2 #1–4]]
| An article on the [[Prime Wars Trilogy]]
| [[October 31|31/10]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 79
| 50
| Primeless
| ''[[Optimus Prime (comic)|Optimus Prime]]'' [[The Life of Sideswipe|#9]]–[[Primeless, Part 2|12]] ''[[The Transformers: Lost Light|Lost Light]]'' [[Chasing the Infinite|#9]]–[[The Plotters' Club (Part 3): Journey's End|12]]
| A one-page editorial by Simon Furman that mentions the IDW universe's impending end
| [[November 14|14/11]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 12
| 51
| Cosmic Carnival
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Enemy Action!|#152–153]], [[Salvage!|#160–161]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[People Power!|#42]], [[The Cosmic Carnival|44]]–[[Ca$h and Car-nage!|46]] Marvel UK [[Stargazing|#145]]
| A behind-the-scenes look at the UK-only return of Megatron
| [[November 28|28/11]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 25
| 52
| Prime Directive
| [[Prime Directive|''Tranformers: Generation 1'' vol. 1 #1–6]] (plus [[Prime Directive Preview|Preview]])
| A two-page article on 'the in-between years' covering the time when no-one had the ''Transformers'' licence for comics.
| [[December 12|12/12]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 53
| 53
| Liars, A to D
| ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|#1]]–[[Interiors|6]], ''[[The Reluctant Specialist|Spotlight: Trailcutter]]'' and ''[[The Waiting Game|Spotlight: Hoist]]''
| An all-new interview with James Roberts, rare archive material from the dawn of MTMTE, Alex Milne's sketchbook.
| [[December 26|26/12]]/[[2018]]
|-
| 55
| 54
| Shadowplay
| ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[Rules of Disengagement (issue)|#7]]–[[More than Meets the Eye issue 13|13]], plus the [[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|2012 Annual]]
| The second of a new three-part interview with Roberts, early pages of scripts, and design sketches from Alex Milne.
| [[January 9|09/01]]/[[2019]]
|-
| 13
| 55
| City of Fear
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[City of Fear!|#164]]–[[Deadly Games!|171]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Club Con!|#47]]–[[Dark Star|50]] "[[Dreadwing Down!]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1990|Annual 1990]]) "[[Plague of the Insecticons!]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1985|Annual 1985]])
| A behind-the scenes look at a sea change moment for the US comic (Furman's takeover as head writer) and a [[Bob Budiansky]] sketchbook.
| [[January 23|23/01]]/2019
|-
| 41
| 56
| Drift
| [[The Transformers: Drift|''The Transformers: Drift'' #1–4]] [[The Transformers: Spotlight|Spotlight:]] ''[[Spotlight: Drift|Drift]]'', ''[[Spotlight: Blaster]]''
| An article on creating Drift and some design sketches by [[Guido Guidi]].
| [[February 6|06/02]]/2019
|-
| 74
| 57
| Transformers vs G.I. Joe, Part 2
| ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' [[Pax Megatronus|#8]]–[[The War Never Ends|13]]
| No extras, but still has the cover art and intro from Furman present on all issues.
| [[February 20|20/02]]/2019
|-
| 47
| 58
| International Incident
| [[The Transformers: Bumblebee|''The Transformers: Bumblebee'' #1–4]] [[The Transformers (IDW)|''The Transformers'' vol. 1]] [[International Incident Part 1: "The Land Ironclads"|#9]]–[[International Incident Part 4: "All My Sins Remembered"|12]]
| An interview with [[Zander Cannon]] and breakdowns for pages 1–4 of each issue of the ''Bumblebee'' mini-series.
| [[March 6|06/03]]/2019
|-
| 05
| 59
| The Smelting Pool
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[The Smelting Pool!|#17]]–[[Showdown!|20]] "[[Victory!]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1986|Annual 1996]]) [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[In the National Interest|#74–77]]
|Background material on the [[Cybertron (planet)|planet Cybertron]] with map.
| [[March 20|20/03]]/2019
|-
| 54
| 60
| A Better Tomorrow
| ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[The Autonomy Lesson (issue)|#1]]–[[Interference Patterns|7]]
| A new interview with [[John Barber]]
| [[April 3|03/04]]/2019
|-
| 48
| 61
| Revenge of the Decepticons
| [[The Transformers (IDW)|''The Transformers'' vol. 1]] [[Heart Like a Wheel|#13]]–[[Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine|18]] ''[[Spotlight: Megatron]]''
| A ''Spotlight: Megatron'' sketchbook
| [[April 17|17/04]]/2019
|-
| 15
| 62
| Time Wars
| "[[All in the Minds!]]" ([[Transformers Annual 1989|Annual 1989]]) [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Time Wars|#199–205]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Guess Who the Mecannibals Are Having for Dinner?|#52]]–[[The Interplanetary Wrestling Championship!|55]]
| A behind-the-scenes look at Galvatron's storyline
| [[May 1|01/05]]/2019
|-
| 58
| 63
| Shockpoint
|[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]] #[[Plan for Everything|15]]–[[Soundwaves (issue)|22]]
| A 2-page history of IDW Shockwave's history-setting plans.
| [[May 15|15/05]]/2019
|-
| 80
| 64
| Requiem of the Wreckers
| ''[[The Transformers: Till All Are One|Till All Are One]]'' [[Your First Mistake|#12]] [[The Chosen One|''Till Are Are One'' Annual]] [[Ghost Stories|2017 ''Transformers'' Annual]] ''[[Transformers: Requiem of the Wreckers|Requiem of the Wreckers]]''
| Wreckers sketchbook and notebook material from [[Nick Roche]].
| [[May 29|29/05]]/2019
|-
| 63
| 65
| Elegant Chaos
| ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|#35]]–[[The Frail Gaze|42]]
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[June 12|12/06]]/2019
|-
| 09
| 66
| Toy Soldiers
| [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel UK]] [[Ancient Relics!|#125 and ''Action Force'' #24–27]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel US]] [[Crater Critters|#29]]–[[Used Autobots|32]], [[Child%27s_Play_(issue)|#35]]–[[Toy Soldiers!|37]]
| A one-page behind-the-scenes feature on "[[Man of Iron (issue)|Man of Iron]]" and how it got reprinted in the US comic.
| [[June 26|26/06]]/2019
|-
| 78
| 67
| New Cybertron
| ''[[Optimus Prime (comic)|Optimus Prime]]'' [[New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|#1]]–[[What It's Really Like|8]]
| A sketch gallery by [[Kei Zama]]
| [[July 10|10/07]]/2019
|-
| 67
| 68
| Conquerors
| [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] [[South of Heaven|#43]]–[[Conquerors Part 4: Perihelion|49]] ''[[An Uneventful Night|Combiner Hunters]]'' one-shot
| Development art by [[Andrew Griffith]]
| [[July 24|24/07]]/2019
|-
| 38
| 69
| Devastation
| ''[[The Transformers: Devastation]]'' miniseries ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight|Spotlights]]'' for [[Spotlight: Kup|Kup]], [[Spotlight: Ramjet|Ramjet]] and [[Spotlight: Cliffjumper|Cliffjumper]]
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[August 7|07/08]]/2019
|-
| 57
| 70
| Remain in Light
| ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[Remembrance Day|#14]]–[[Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|21]] Prose stories "[[Signal to Noise]]" and "[[The Sound of Breaking Glass]]"
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[August 21|21/08]]/2019
|-
| 77
| 71
| Dissolution
| ''[[The Transformers: Lost Light]]'' [[Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|#1]]–[[An Axe to Break the Ice|8]]
| A sketch gallery by [[Jack Lawrence]]
| [[September 4|04/09]]/2019
|-
| 69
| 72
| Sins of the Wreckers
| ''[[The Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers|Sins of the Wreckers]]'' miniseries ''[[The Transformers Holiday Special]]
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[September 18|18/09]]/2019
|-
| 56
| 73
| City On Fire
| ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Dinobot Hunt (IDW)|#8]]–[[Before the Dawn|14]] [[Primus: All Good Things|2012 Annual]]
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[October 2|02/10]]/2019
|-
| 34
| 74
| Autocracy
| ''[[The Transformers: Autocracy]]'' miniseries ''[[The Hunting Party (IDW)|Spotlight: Thundercracker]]''
| A one-page article on ''Autocracy'', including an interview with co-writer [[Chris Metzen]].
| [[October 16|16/10]]/2019
|-
| 70
| 75
| Punishment
| ''[[The Transformers: Punishment]]'' miniseries ''[[The Transformers: Redemption]]'' one-shot ''[[The Transformers: Salvation]]'' one-shot
| An article about the Motion Book Tool app used for the digital version of ''[[The Transformers: Punishment]]'', a "Brief History of the (IDW) Dinobots", and a [[Livio Ramondelli]] sketchbook.
| [[October 30|30/10]]/2019
|-
| 27
| 76
| Worlds Collide Part 1
| ''[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|Armada]]'' [[Dreamwave_Armada_issue_8|#8]]–[[Dreamwave_Armada_issue_13|13]] [[More_than_Meets_the_Eye:_Transformers:_Armada|''More than Meets the Eye: Armada'' ]] (select material)
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[November 13|13/11]]/2019
|-
| 68
| 77
| Empire of Stone
| ''[[The Transformers: Drift - Empire of Stone|Drift - Empire of Stone]]'' miniseries [[The Transformers: Windblade|''Windblade'' vol. 2]] issues 5–7
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[November 27|27/11]]/2019
|-
| 51
| 78
| Chaos Theory
| [[The Transformers (IDW)|''The Transformers'' vol. 1]] [[Police Action: Prologue|#21 ("Police Action: Prologue" only)]], [[Chaos Theory Part 1|#22–23]], [[Police Action: Part 1|25]], [[Police Action Part 2: Only Forward|27]], [[Police Action Part 3: A Second Chance at Eden|29]] [[The Question|Spotlight: Bumblebee]]
| A one-page article exploring the origins of the "[[Chaos (IDW)|Chaos]]" arc and beyond.
| [[December 11|11/12]]/2019
|-
| 66
| 79
| Speak, Memory
| ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[The One Where They Go to Earth|#43]]–[[Speak, Memory! (Part 2)|49]]
| A one-page article about the [[Scavenger (group)|Scavengers]].
| [[December 25|25/12]]/2019
|-
| 61
| 80
| World, Shut Your Mouth
| ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|#28]]–[[Births, Deaths, and Interventions|34]]
| A page of "Season 2" character posters.
| [[January 8|08/01]]/[[2020]]
|-
| 84
| 81
| The Falling: Part 1
| ''[[Optimus Prime (comic)|Optimus Prime]]'' [[The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|#13]]–[[The Falling, Chapter 3: The Ground|17]] ''[[Optimus Prime (comic)|Optimus Prime]]'' [[Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Annual 2018]]
| A one-page article about the Primes.
| [[January 22|22/01]]/2020
|-
| 90
| 82
| Generation 2: Part 1
| ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Transformers: Generation 2]]'' [[Ghosts|#0]]–[[The Gathering Darkness|6]]
| An article about [[Fleetway]]'s [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Fleetway)|UK ''Generation 2'' comic]], including [small-scale scans of] "[[War Without End (issue)|War Without End]]", their first UK-original ''G2'' strip.
| [[February 5|05/02]]/2020
|-
| 81
| 83
| Revolution
| ''[[Revolution]]'' [[Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|#0]]–[[Valley Forge|5]] ''[[Thundercracker & Buster Save the World|The Transformers]]'' ''[[Revolution]]'' one-shot ''[[Informed|Till All Are One]]'' ''[[Revolution]]'' one-shot ''[[Nothing Will Ever Be the Same Again!|More than Meets the Eye]]'' ''[[Revolution]]'' one-shot
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro.
| [[February 19|19/02]]/2020
|-
| 89
| 84
| Realignments
| ''[[G.I. Joe and the Transformers (comic)|G.I. Joe and the Transformers]]'' [[Blood on the Tracks|#1]]–[[...All Fall Down!|4]] [[G.I. Joe (comic)|Marvel's ''G.I. Joe'']] [[Unfoldings!|#138]]–[[Final Transformations|142]]
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[March 4|04/03]]/2020
|-
| 82
| 85
| Revolutionaries
| ''[[Revolutionaries]]'' [[Crisis Intervention|#1]]–[[Ghost in the Machine (IDW)|8]]
| A two-page timeline of major IDW continuity events from issue #1, and the character profiles also from issue #1.
| [[March 18|18/03]]/2020
|-
| 92
| 86
| Transformers: The Movie
| [[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel comic)|Marvel's adaption]] of [[The Transformers: The Movie|the 1986 animated movie]] [[Transformers: The Animated Movie|IDW's adaption]] of that same movie
| A one-page article about the movie-verse in comics.
| [[April 1|01/04]]/2020
|-
| 83
| 87
| First Strike
| ''[[First Strike]]'' [[First Strike issue 0|#0]]–[[First Strike issue 6|6]] [[Unification Day: Dusk|First Strike: Transformers]] one-shot [[Unification Day: Dawn|First Strike: Optimus Prime]] one-shot
| A one-page "Prelude to...Unicron!" article, preceding the reprint of "[[First Strike issue 6#Coda: "The Signal"|The Signal]]".
| [[April 22|22/04]]/2020
|-
| 95
| 88
| G.I. Joe vs. Transformers, Part 1
| [[Devil's Due Press|Devil's Due]]'s [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' #1–6]]
| A one-page article about Devil's Due, a two-page article about creating the "Devil's Due-verse" and three pages of [[Mike S. Miller]]'s sketchbook art.
| [[May 13|13/05]]/2020
|-
| 85
| 89
| The Falling, Part 2
| ''[[Optimus Prime (comic)|Optimus Prime]]'' [[The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|#18]]–[[A Sunrise Dark|24]]
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[June 3|03/06]]/2020
|-
| 93
| 90
| Beast Wars: The Gathering
| [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering|''Beast Wars: The Gathering'' #1–4]]
and material from [[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook]]
| An introduction by [[Ben Yee]], a 2-page "Unleash the Beast Wars" feature detailing the origins of the show and toyline, a 3-page "Creating the BW-Verse" interview with [[Bob Forward]], a 2-page "The (G1) roots of the Beast Wars" feature detailing the G1 elements in the show, 4 pages of [[Don Figueroa]]'s design sketches, and a reprint of the "[[Optimus Primal vs Megatron!]]" toy pack-in comic.
| [[June 17|17/06]]/2020
|-
| 86
| 91
| The Everlasting Voices
| ''[[The Transformers: Lost Light]]'' [[Sardines|#13]]–[[The Everlasting Voices (3): You Are Here|18]]
| The first half of ''[[Transformers: Historia]]'' (up to ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'', including the [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] profile, which was itself copied from the ''[[Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook]]''.
| [[July 1|01/07]]/2020
|-
| 96
| 92
| G.I. Joe vs. Transformers, Part 2
| [[Devil's Due Press|Devil's Due]]'s [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II'' #1–4]] [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War'' #1–2]]
| A two-page sketchbook of [[Don Figueroa]]'s original pencils for the the first 8 pages of ''The Art of War''.
| [[July 15|15/07]]/2020
|-
| 87
| 93
| Crucible
| ''[[The Transformers: Lost Light]]'' [[Crucible (Part 1): A Dance Before Dying|#19]]–[[Crucible (Part 6): A Spark Among Embers|24]]
| The second half of ''[[Transformers: Historia]]'' including the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] profile.
| [[July 29|29/07]]/2020
|-
| 91
| 94
| Generation 2, Part 2
| ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Transformers: Generation 2]]'' [[New Dawn|#7]]–[[A Rage in Heaven!|12]]
| A profile on [[Derek Yaniger]], a outro by Simon Furman including [small-scale scans of] "[[War Zone|War Zone]]", their second UK-original ''G2'' strip.
| [[August 12|12/08]]/2020
|-
| 88
| 95
| Unicron
| ''[[Transformers: Unicron]]'' [[Our Darkest|#0]]–[[Ceremony|6]] ''[[Optimus Prime (comic)|Optimus Prime]]'' [[Post|#25]] ''[[The Transformers: Lost Light]]'' [[How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2|25]]
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[August 26|26/08]]/2020
|-
| 94
| 96
| Beast Wars: The Ascending
| [[Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending|''Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #1–4]] and material from [[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook]]
| A 7-page Beast Wars Glossary (from the ''Sourcebook'' trade) and a 5-page Behind the Scenes proposal of Furman's planned third Beast Wars miniseries to be titled ''The Revisiting''.
| [[September 9|09/09]]/2020
|-
| 97
| 97
| G.I. Joe vs. Transformers, Part 3
| [[Devil's Due Press|DDP]]'s [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War'' #3–5]] [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: Black Horizon|''G.I. Joe vs, the Transformers: Black Horizon'' #1–2]]
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[September 23|23/09]]/2020
|-
| 98
| 98
| The World In Your Eyes
| ''[[Transformers (2019 comic)|Transformers]]'' [[The World In Your Eyes Part One|#1]]–[[The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part One|#7]]
| A Q&A with writer Brian Ruckley
| [[October 7|07/10]]/2020
|-
| 99
| 99
| The Cracks Beneath Your Feet
| ''[[Transformers (2019 comic)|Transformers]]'' [[The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Two|#8]]–[[The Change In Your Nature Part Two|#14]]
| No bonus aside from Furman's intro and a cover gallery.
| [[October 21|21/10]]/2020
|-
| 100
| 100
| Constructicons Rising
| ''[[Transformers (2019 comic)|Transformers]]'' [[The Change In Your Nature Part Three|#15]]–[[The Change In Your Nature Part Five|#17]] ''[[Transformers: Galaxies]]'' [[Constructicons Rising, Part 1|#1]]–[[Constructicons Rising, Part 4|4]]
| A 2-page afterword on the collection as a whole, a tiny cover gallery of the series and a retrospective on the various publishing companies.
| [[November 4|04/11]]/2020
|}

==Curation==
Although this collection was curated by Simon Furman, the man directly responsible for many of the stories it contains, many of the decisions it makes seem to be far from ideal.

Presumably as a result of these being the master copies in Hasbro's possession, Marvel US reprints are drawn from IDW's ''[[The Transformers Classics]]'' 'remasters', complete with newly-introduced typos, haphazard attempts to 'fix' errors, washed-out linework, and less authentic coloring than John-Paul Bove's brand new efforts! In a similar vein, cover galleries include the covers for both the US and UK stories, but ''not'' the UK-exclusive covers for US stories. This focus on presenting the 'unmodified' versions of US comics means that many of the minor edits made to those stories for their original UK printings (to better jive with Furman's expanded continuity) are absent.<ref name=RyanFTarget2006>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/uk-transformers-graphic-novel-partwork-from-hatchette.1088662/page-9#post-14167234 Ryan F on the TFW2005 forums]: "In order to smooth over the continuity cracks between the UK and US stories, the US books were usually edited (US#16-24 were especially affected) for their UK printing. But rather than the UK edits of the American stories, we get the familiar US versions. <nowiki>[...]</nowiki> Oh, and on page 214, there's a factual error as well, when it states that Transformers UK sold 200,000 copies per week. That's actually completely false. It actually sold 100,000 copies per week at its peak. That said, each individual comic sold would tend to be read by a number of people, as kids lent or gave their comics to siblings or school friends. It was calculated that, on average, each comic sold would be read by two-point-five people. Marvel (and other comic publishers such as Fleetway or IPC) would therefore take the ''actual'' circulation figures and apply this 2.5 multiplier to give a total readership that did exceed two hundred thousand on occasion. So whilst the ''readership'' was arguably 250K-plus, the actual ''number of copies'' sold was nowhere near that figure.</ref>

===Reading order===
The actual ordering of the Marvel material is far from straightforward, for various reasons:
*The two Furman-penned comics from [[Transformers Annual 1985|the 1995 annual]] don't have a particular place in the continuity: "[[And There Shall Come...a Leader!]]" is a standalone flashback that isn't referenced until UK #44, while "[[Plague of the Insecticons!]]" is a non-canonical present-day story written to promote toys that weren't appearing in the comic at the time. Presumably for reasons of space, they're included as backmatter in volumes 2 and 13; the latter consists mostly of stories released three years later!
*Volume 3 presents UK #41-50 before US #11-12, when they should be the other way around. Apparently this was a deliberate decision to place focus on the UK story the volume was centred around!<ref>[https://tmukhub.proboards.com/post/315915/thread Facebook post quoted by Andy Turnbull on the Transmasters UK forums]: "While we make every effort to maintain the original flow and continuity of the Marvel UK/US TRANSFORMERS stories, the self-contained identity and integrity of each individual volume is of paramount importance, especially as the collections aren’t released in chronological order. So, in a heavily UK-centric volume titled Dinobot Hunt, we took the decision to lead with the main/bulk of 'Dinobot Hunt' (and preceding issues) itself. Both UK and US strips are prefaced with a dedicated Story So Far to ease readers into the respective narratives, so they can be enjoyed together or in and of themselves. Naturally, we regret any inherent ‘spoilers’, but our policy is to create coherent and self-supportive volumes that anyone, casual reader or long-time fan, can pick up and enjoy."</ref>
*The minor Marvel productions "[[The Night the Transformers Saved Christmas]]" and "[[The Special Teams Have Arrived]]" are absent—but of course, the latter was completely retold in UK #63-65, included here in volume 4. The former story’s absence stands out, since, in his panel at [[unofficial conventions|TFNation 2016]] Simon Furman specifically mentioned that it ''would'' be included in the collection, the first time it would have seen a reprint ''anywhere'', but this ultimately didn't occur, for unknown reasons.
*The two comic stories from [[Transformers Annual 1986|the 1986 annual]] aren't directly connected to specific issues; "[[To a Power Unknown!]]" doesn't really fit into continuity, but certainly takes place after UK #65—which is where the partwork puts it—while "[[Victory!]]" (which explains what happened to the Dinobots between UK #50 and #65) is placed before UK #74-77, another Dinobot-centric story.
*"[[The Gift]]", UK #93's seasonal story by [[James Hill]], is omitted; it should be placed in volume 6 between US #22 and US #23.
*Volume 8 reshuffles things slightly relative to publication order; US #27 was originally published before UK #113-120, but is moved afterwards. As the stories aren't connected, this doesn't really affect anything.
*The stories from [[Transformers Annual 1987|the 1987 annual]] are scattered. "[[Vicious Circle!]]" is placed in volume 8 alongside UK #113-120, collectively forming the first "post-movie" storyline. "What's In a Name?" is placed in volume 11 directly before UK #135-136, which developed its premise further. "[[Ark Duty]]" is also thrown into volume 11, after UK #146-151... despite chronologically taking place some time before that story.
*In a move that actually ''improves'' readability, the ''[[Action Force (comic)|Action Force]]'' crossover "[[Ancient Relics!]]" (which originally interrupted the unrelated two-part story told across US #29-30) is moved before #29.
*[[Worlds Apart!|UK #130-131]] was written as an introduction to the Headmaster concept to UK audiences; it's recontextualised here as a flashback, letting the ''[[The Transformers: Headmasters| Headmasters]]'' miniseries lead directly into [[Trial by Fire!|US #38]]. Keeping UK-original strips in publication order however then causes trouble with [[Ladies' Night (issue)|UK #137-138]], which set up the Combaticons' appearance in... [[Used Autobots|US #32]], and [[Enemy Action!|UK #152-153]], which takes place before the launch of [[Club Con]] in [[The Desert Island of Space!|US #39]].
*[[Stargazing|UK #145]], a fairly standalone Christmas story, is thrown in at the end of volume 12.
*When Furman took over the US comic, the UK strips (having switched to black-and-white) generally stopped tying directly into the US material. Exceptions included [[Race with the Devil|UK #215-218]] setting up [[Back from the Dead|US #56]], Thunderwing's rise to power across [[The Big Shutdown!|UK #230-231]] and [[Rage!|#241]]-[[Assault on the Ark!|242]] paying off in [[Yesterday's Heroes!|US #60]], [[Out to Lunch!|UK #240]] following on from [[Skin Deep|US #59]], [[Mind Games|UK #243]]-[[Two Megatrons!|244]] further explaining Megatron's appearance in US #56-59, [[Whose Lifeforce Is It Anyway?|UK #249]] being nodded to in [[Bird of Prey!|US #62]], and the events of [[Deathbringer (issue)|UK #235-236]] being directly referenced in [[Dark Creation|US #65]]. This collection includes these comics in clumps during breaks in the action, ignoring most of this connective tissue.
*Starting with [[...Perchance to Dream|UK #255]] (as noted on the [[Earthforce]] page), the UK material effectively diverged into an entire alternate timeline; most of these stories are placed together at the end of volume 20.

The ordering of IDW's comics, meanwhile, can only be described as impenetrable to a new reader. As ''Infiltration'' was the starting point for that continuity, it is presented as the first volume, but in a stab towards chronological ordering the next volumes are devoted to prequels such as ''[[Megatron: Origin]]'' and ''[[The Transformers: Autocracy| Autocracy]]'', which were released well after the fact and don't really mesh well here. Even Furman's own work isn't safe: ''[[The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots| Maximum Dinobots]]'' is placed before ''[[Revelation (IDW)|Revelation]]'', and the other ''[[The Transformers: Spotlight| Spotlight]]'' issues are thrown in haphazardly wherever space allows. How much of the material following his run Furman has actually read, only he can say.

===Omissions===
It's apparent that when the partwork was planned out, Hatchette intended to be the first company to reprint the latter-day [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] material such as [[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)|the Sunstorm arc]], ''[[Transformers: Micromasters|Micromasters]]'', and the ''[[20th Anniversary Transformers Summer Special|Summer Special]]''<ref>[https://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2017/01/ Simon Furman on WordPress]: "all the Dreamwave G1 material that saw print in single-issue form will be collected, including the rare Summer Special story, Welcome to the Jungle, and their ongoing G1 series"</ref> in volumes 27 and 28—but those volumes wound up containing issues from Dreamwave's ''[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)| Armada]]'' comic, which merely guest-starred G1 characters and seem very out of place in a "Definitive ''G1'' Collection" (unsurprisingly, the rest of the ''[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)| Armada]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Energon (comic)| Energon]]'' material is omitted). Presumably, this late change occurred for the same reason those stories have never been reprinted in the first place—nobody's sure whether the creative teams were actually ''paid'' for their work. A summary of ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Age of Wrath|The Age of Wrath]]'' was included, but none of the finished issues of that series or of ''[[Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front]]'' were reprinted.

Many of the collection's other omissions can easily be considered editorial choices:
*The prose stories from Marvel UK's annuals are omitted, although it bears mentioning that most of them were written by authors other than Furman and are tricky to reconcile with the continuity proper anyway. Furman's stories are more conspicuous by their absence: "[[The Magnificent Six!]]" from the 1991 annual was part of the Earthforce storyline, and the 1992 annual's "[[Another Time & Place]]" was effectively the original coda to his Marvel run. UK #302's "[[Dreadwind's Xmas!]]" is absent too, notable for focusing on Dreadwind's time [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|answering letters]] for Marvel UK.
*At most, only small extracts are given of the various profile books released over the years: Marvel's ''[[The Transformers Universe]]'', Dreamwave's ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye| More than Meets the Eye]]'', and IDW's ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook| Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' and ''[[Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook]]''.
*None of the material released by [[3H Productions]] or [[Fun Publications]] was printed in this collection.
*Minor pack-in comics like [[Milton Bradley]]'s "[[In the Transformers]]", [[Metrodome]]'s "[[The Beast Within]]", Madman Entertainment's "[[The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers]]" and IDW's "[[Rodimus vs. Cyclonus]]" are understandably left out.
*IDW's non-''G.I. Joe'' crossover miniseries are all omitted: ''[[New Avengers/Transformers]]'', ''[[Aw Yeah Revolution!]]'', ''[[Rom vs. Transformers: Shining Armor]]'', ''[[Transformers vs. Visionaries]]'', ''[[Angry Birds Transformers (comic)|Angry Birds Transformers]]'', ''[[Star Trek vs. Transformers]]'', and ''[[Transformers/Ghostbusters]]''. So too are most of the tie-ins to their once-annual multi-property events: ''[[Infestation 2]]'', ''[[Mars Attacks: The Transformers|Mars Attacks]]'', ''[[The X-Files: Conspiracy: The Transformers|The X-Files: Conspiracy]]'', and ''[[Transformers: Deviations| Deviations]]''.

Less forgivable is the omission of "[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe: The Movie Adaptation]]", and that of the four-page "[[Black Cybertron]]" prose story from [[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 10|issue #10]]. The various prose stories, profiles and comics first printed with the collected editions of ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'' are also absent.

==Coloring==
Colorist John-Paul Bove, known for his work on ''[[The Transformers: Regeneration One| Regeneration One]]'', was hired by Hatchette to give color to black-and-white UK-original stories. The first of these was "[[Raiders of the Last Ark]]", included in volume 1. Like many of the earliest UK strips, only some of its instalments were printed in color, but this was the only story not to be later colourised in a reprint at the time. For this collection, Bove colored the entire comic in a style as close to the original marker-pens as possible, with the only edits being to correct an error and to put [[Guardian (Marvel)|Guardian]]'s colors in line with the character's later appearances.<ref>[https://tmukhub.proboards.com/post/282848/thread John-Paul Bove on the Transmasters UK forums]: "Raiders has been coloured to match as closely as possible the original. As far as I can tell the original was coloured in marker pen! This involved some exceptionally detailed hi res scans and taking the texture and colour choices from the original (including a Megs with a lot of gold!). There were two changes made to the originals, one was a colouring error pointed out by Mike Collins himself that affected the linework (see if you can spot it) that I corrected and the other was that the Guardian colours were changed to match all subsequent appearances. When he is taken down he is left a solid colour in that Yomtovy way of doing things."</ref>

For the black-and-white strips printed following the UK comic's format change in 1989, Bove colored the stories depending on whether their plots tied into the UK or the US continuity. He cites "[[Race with the Devil]]" (the first black-and-white story of this kind) and "[[Fallen Star!]]" as examples of US-relevant stories. Meanwhile stories like "[[Survivors]]" emulated the richer colour combinations employed by the UK teams.<ref>[https://tmukhub.proboards.com/post/282848/thread John-Paul Bove on the Transmasters UK forums]: "As stated in the colour commentary in vol 3, the style of colouring for the strips depends entirely on the continuity it follows regardless of which country it originated in. So Race with the Devil and Fallen Star follow US continuity despite being a UK originated strip. So the colour ref will follow what was in the Underbase Saga and the stories containing the classic Pretenders (so background Soundwave is Magenta as Ed said). At a certain point along the way the UK was instructed to follow the US way of colouring, so the techniques becomes the same though the guys and gals in the UK were geniuses in making combinations to generate richer pallets. That's why Survivors etc has been done in a richer, denser style."</ref> "[[Aspects of Evil!]]" and the [[Earthforce]] stories were colored to look like they could've been rendered with inks and airbrushes.<ref>[https://tmukhub.proboards.com/post/282848/thread John-Paul Bove on the Transmasters UK forums]: "For Aspects of Evil (coming soon!) the colouring style is not bound by continuity. I felt doing something like Regen would be too far removed from the time, but instead I have coloured it in a way that could have been rendered with inks and airbrush but that still feels modern without any computer trickery. It's a style based a little on contrast and is hopefully both bold and subtle."</ref>

In some cases, Bove made choices with regards to color schemes based on in-universe reasoning, most notably with [[Xaaron]] and [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] in volume 19.<ref>[https://tmukhub.proboards.com/post/299016/thread John-Paul Bove on the Transmasters UK forums]: "With Xaaron I was pretty sure that his appearance here was chronologically the first we'd seen him so I decided to make him his UK colours and leave his all yellow look something he got shortly after. This was partly because his all yellow look was awful and there was enough wiggle room to do it. Soundwave on the other hand had appeared magenta before the events of Starscream's Pretender process and after so to change him to blue for this moment between other moments requires a bigger ask. There is a whole complicated reasoning that had to apply to Thunderwing precisely because he appears in different colours in between coloured appearances. I reasoned that he was burned then jumped into the sea which lead to one colour change, got repaired and recoloured when he got back to the ship and then got given a final upgrade when he got made leader. I spent forever working out a logic that would make sense of all the colour schemes he had that I had to jump between. There was definitely method to the madness and many, many hours were spent making it as consistent, justified and sympathetic as possible."</ref>

==Notes==
* The free gifts shipped to subscribers with the first five deliveries (each consisting of two isses - except the first, which included a third issue free) were:
** Autobot/Decepticon [[insignia]] keyrings!
** A wallet!
** A tin-plate version of the cover to "[[Dark Star]]", featuring a cosmically-empowered [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]]!
** A mug!
** A pair of metal Autobot/Decepticon insignia bookends!<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20170112033736/http://www.transformerscollection.com:80/ Archived copy of official site]</ref>
* Before the partwork launched, the second free gift was advertised as an [[Insignia|Autobrand]] belt buckle.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20160914212214/http://www.transformerscollection.com:80/ Archived copy of official site]</ref>
* The first issue collected "[[Target: 2006]]", and was coincidentally out at newsagents thirty years after the story originally ran.<ref>[http://thesolarpool.weebly.com/transformers-uk227.html Solar Pool]: "The Target: 2006 book is already out... if it doesn’t [finish], Target: 2006 was back on at least some newsagents shelves towards the end of its 30th anniversary week. How cool is that?"</ref>
* The printings of Marvel material aren't really identical to those released by IDW—for instance, issue 1 (volume 6 - confused yet?) includes various Marvel trademarks (such as the superheroes around the edge of the cover to "Heavy Traffic" and the kid wearing a Spider-Man t-shirt in "Decepticon Graffiti") which were painted out of IDW's reprints due to rights issues.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/uk-transformers-graphic-novel-partwork-from-hatchette.1088662/page-10#post-14168736 Ryan F on the TFW2005 forums]: "The weird thing is, though, these '''aren't''' the IDW versions. The cover to Heavy Traffic has all the Marvel characters around the edge, and the little kid in Decepticon Graffiti is wearing his Spider-Man t-shirt. This stuff was painted out of the IDW trades due to rights issues with Marvel."</ref>

===Errors===
* When the website launched, it accidentally credited [[Andrew Wildman|Andrew ''Wlid''man]].
* Copies of the first issue provided to general retail and initial subscribers had an error on the spine, with the black volume number box at the top being the wrong size.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/uk-transformers-graphic-novel-partwork-from-hatchette.1088662/page-12#post-14249131 ultra badness on the TFW2005 forums]: "I just got an email from Hachette to say they had misprinted the spine art on issue 1. And hey will send a replacement. Hurrah! Im going to have 3 issues!"</ref> Subscribers received free corrected copies, while those who bought theirs at newsagents had to wait for replacements which were included with issue 7.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/uk-transformers-graphic-novel-partwork-from-hatchette.1088662/page-12#post-14256091 Magnus' Mate on TFW2005]: "Incidentally, the 'corrected' #1 will be available to non-subscribers as well, included free with issue #7!"</ref> Hachette were seen giving away error-stricken copies for free at a signing event at a London comic shop.<ref>[http://forums.millarworld.tv/t/the-trades-thread-hardcovers-graphic-novels-and-more/4923/2359 Millarworld forums (dead link)]</ref> This error shouldn't be confused with the change in spine art for the first four issues made between the limited trial run and the mass release,<ref>[http://www.facebook.com/TransformersG1Collection/posts/1533415153338562?comment_id=1533436356669775&reply_comment_id=1533593929987351 Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection on Facebook]</ref> which means that anyone who subscribed to the series from its trial will end up with ''three'' different copies of issue 1.
* The poster included with issue 1 includes a bio for [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]... which uses an image of [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]].<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/uk-transformers-graphic-novel-partwork-from-hatchette.1088662/page-6#post-13983869 fishpop on the TFW2005 forums]: "Also: the poster that comes with Volume 1 (Target: 2006) shows some small character bios but goofs up the "Jazz" bio by using a picture of Prowl."</ref>
* The trial versions of issues 1 and 2 had the inside cover art swapped: the "Target: 2006" book had artwork for ''Stormbringer'', and vice versa.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/uk-transformers-graphic-novel-partwork-from-hatchette.1088662/page-6#post-13989359 drmick on the TFW2005 forums]: "On anybody else's copies, is the inside cover art wrong? I've got Stormbringer art inside the Target:2006 book, and Target:2006 art inside the Stormbringer book."</ref>
* A feature in issue 1 states that the Marvel UK comic sold 200,000 copies per week, when really it only sold 100,000 per week ''at its peak''. This error presumably stems from the fact that Marvel (and other publishers at the time) multiplied their circulation figures by 2.5 to calculate their readership, as they estimated that many issues would be shared between friends and siblings.<ref name=RyanFTarget2006>
* Hatchette's own masterings of the comics introduce yet more errors. In issue 1, for example, an instance of '[[Skids (G1)|]]' in dialogue is misspelled as 'Skips'.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/uk-transformers-graphic-novel-partwork-from-hatchette.1088662/page-12#post-14277882 Bass X0 on the TFW2005 forums]: "In Decepticon Graffiti, Skids is called Skips on the second page."</ref> This error was not present in IDW's original reprints.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/uk-transformers-graphic-novel-partwork-from-hatchette.1088662/page-13#post-14316444 Magnus' Mate on the TFW2005 forums]: "Except the IDW "Transformers Classics" volume 2 with issue #23 in doesn't have this same problem - Skids is still Skids, not Skips! I know there are other problems with them, but this one is on Hachette."</ref>
* The bio for John Paul Bove included in issue 3 (volume 16) was apparently written by himself in the first person, then edited into the third person—one of the sentences written in first person remains!<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/uk-transformers-graphic-novel-partwork-from-hatchette.1088662/page-8#post-14101771 drmick on the TFW2005 forums]: "There is also a half page bio on JP, which was obviously written by himself in the first person, and then edited to be the third person- but they missed one of the first person senetnces and it is still in there!"</ref>
* Some copies of volume 22 had a number erroneously printed on one of the pages.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/uk-transformers-graphic-novel-partwork-from-hatchette.1088662/page-20#post-15179844 rodster6 on the TFW2005 forums]: "Got volume 7 today (which I think is issue 22) and there is a weird number printed randomly on one page that shouldn't be there."</ref>
* The first print run for volume 35 had an error where the last two pages of ''Monstrosity'' #11 were swapped with two from "War and Peace" #3.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/uk-transformers-graphic-novel-partwork-from-hatchette.1088662/page-18#post-14880721 fishpop on the TFW2005 forums]: "The last two pages of Monstrosity #11 have been swapped with the ones from W&P #3"</ref>
* Many volumes include pages which are stuck together, though this is easy enough for the reader to fix.
* Though some readers may try to convince you otherwise, [[Mister Johnson]] is not an error.

==Covers==
<center><gallery caption="Marvel (US & UK)" perrow="6">
DefinitiveG1Collection v1.jpg|Vol 1: Power Play
DefinitiveG1Collection v2.jpg|Vol 2: New Order
DefinitiveG1Collection v3.jpg|Vol 3: Dinobot Hunt
DefinitiveG1Collection v4.jpg|Vol 4: Second Generation
DefinitiveG1Collection v5.jpg|Vol 5: The Smelting Pool
DefinitiveG1Collection v6.jpg|Vol 6: Target: 2006
DefinitiveG1Collection v7.jpg|Vol 7: The Harder They Die
DefinitiveG1Collection v8.jpg|Vol 8: Wanted: Galvatron - Dead or Alive
DefinitiveG1Collection v9.jpg|Vol 9: Toy Soldiers
DefinitiveG1Collection v10.jpg|Vol 10: Trial by Fire
DefinitiveG1Collection v11.jpg|Vol 11: The Legacy of Unicron
DefinitiveG1Collection v12.jpg|Vol 12: Cosmic Carnival
DefinitiveG1Collection v13.jpg|Vol 13: City of Fear
DefinitiveG1Collection v14.jpg|Vol 14: Space Pirates
DefinitiveG1Collection v15.jpg|Vol 15: Time Wars
DefinitiveG1Collection v16.jpg|Vol 16: The Primal Scream
DefinitiveG1Collection v17.jpg|Vol 17: Matrix Quest
DefinitiveG1Collection v18.jpg|Vol 18: Edge of Extinction
DefinitiveG1Collection v19.jpg|Vol 19: Perchance to Dream
DefinitiveG1Collection v20.jpg|Vol 20: End of the Road
</gallery>
<gallery caption="Marvel's Generation 2" perrow="6">
DefinitiveG1Collection v89.jpg|Vol 89: Realignments
DefinitiveG1Collection v90.jpg|Vol 90: Generation 2 Part 1
DefinitiveG1Collection v91.jpg|Vol 91: Generation 2 Part 2
</gallery>
<gallery caption="IDW's Regeneration One" perrow="6">
DefinitiveG1Collection v21.jpg|Vol 21: Regeneration One
DefinitiveG1Collection v22.jpg|Vol 22: Natural Selection
DefinitiveG1Collection v23.jpg|Vol 23: Destiny
DefinitiveG1Collection v24.jpg|Vol 24: The War to End All Wars
</gallery>
<gallery caption="Dreamwave Productions" perrow="6">
DefinitiveG1Collection v25.jpg|Vol 25: Prime Directive
DefinitiveG1Collection v26.jpg|Vol 26: War and Peace
DefinitiveG1Collection v27.jpg|Vol 27: Worlds Collide Part 1
DefinitiveG1Collection v28.jpg|Vol 28: Worlds Collide Part 2
DefinitiveG1Collection v29.jpg|Vol 29: The War Within
DefinitiveG1Collection v30.jpg|Vol 30: War Within: The Dark Ages
DefinitiveG1Collection v31.jpg|Vol 31: The Iron Fist
</gallery>

<gallery caption="2005 IDW continuity" perrow="6">
DefinitiveG1Collection v32.jpg|Vol 32: Infiltration
DefinitiveG1Collection v33.jpg|Vol 33: Megatron Origin
DefinitiveG1Collection v34.jpg|Vol 34: Autocracy
DefinitiveG1Collection v35.jpg|Vol 35: Primacy
DefinitiveG1Collection v36.jpg|Vol 36: Stormbringer
DefinitiveG1Collection v37.jpg|Vol 37: Escalation
DefinitiveG1Collection v38.jpg|Vol 38: Devastation
DefinitiveG1Collection v39.jpg|Vol 39: Hearts of Steel
DefinitiveG1Collection v40.jpg|Vol 40: Maximum Dinobots
DefinitiveG1Collection v41.jpg|Vol 41: Drift
DefinitiveG1Collection v42.jpg|Vol 42: Revelation
DefinitiveG1Collection v43.jpg|Vol 43: All Hail Megatron, Part 1
DefinitiveG1Collection v44.jpg|Vol 44: All Hail Megatron, Part 2
DefinitiveG1Collection v45.jpg|Vol 45: Last Stand of the Wreckers
DefinitiveG1Collection v46.jpg|Vol 46: Things Fall Apart
DefinitiveG1Collection v47.jpg|Vol 47: International Incident
DefinitiveG1Collection v48.jpg|Vol 48: Revenge of the Decepticons
DefinitiveG1Collection v49.jpg|Vol 49: The Iron Age
DefinitiveG1Collection v50.jpg|Vol 50: Heart of Darkness
DefinitiveG1Collection v51.jpg|Vol 51: Chaos Theory
DefinitiveG1Collection v52.jpg|Vol 52: The Death of Optimus Prime
DefinitiveG1Collection v53.jpg|Vol 53: Liars, A to D
DefinitiveG1Collection v54.jpg|Vol 54: A Better Tomorrow
DefinitiveG1Collection v55.jpg|Vol 55: Shadowplay
DefinitiveG1Collection v56.jpg|Vol 56: City On Fire
DefinitiveG1Collection v57.jpg|Vol 57: Remain In Light
DefinitiveG1Collection v58.jpg|Vol 58: Shockpoint
DefinitiveG1Collection v59.jpg|Vol 59: Dark Cybertron, Part 1
DefinitiveG1Collection v60.jpg|Vol 60: Dark Cybertron, Part 2
DefinitiveG1Collection v61.jpg|Vol 61: World Shut Your Mouth
DefinitiveG1Collection v62.jpg|Vol 62: Earthfall
DefinitiveG1Collection v63.jpg|Vol 63: Elegant Chaos
DefinitiveG1Collection v64.jpg|Vol 64: Windblade
DefinitiveG1Collection v65.jpg|Vol 65: Combiner Wars
DefinitiveG1Collection v66.jpg|Vol 66: Speak, Memory
DefinitiveG1Collection v67.jpg|Vol 67: Conquerors
DefinitiveG1Collection v68.jpg|Vol 68: Empire of Stone
DefinitiveG1Collection v69.jpg|Vol 69: Sins of the Wreckers
DefinitiveG1Collection v70.jpg|Vol 70: Punishment
DefinitiveG1Collection v71.jpg|Vol 71: All Hail Optimus
DefinitiveG1Collection v72.jpg|Vol 72: The Dying of the Light
DefinitiveG1Collection v75.jpg|Vol 75: Titans Return, Part 1
DefinitiveG1Collection v76.jpg|Vol 76: Titans Return, Part 2
DefinitiveG1Collection v77.jpg|Vol 77: Dissolution
DefinitiveG1Collection v78.jpg|Vol 78: New Cybertron
DefinitiveG1Collection v79.jpg|Vol 79: Primeless
DefinitiveG1Collection v80.jpg|Vol 80: Requiem of the Wreckers
DefinitiveG1Collection v81.jpg|Vol 81: Revolution
DefinitiveG1Collection v82.jpg|Vol 82: Revolutionaries
DefinitiveG1Collection v83.jpg|Vol 83: First Strike
DefinitiveG1Collection v84.jpg|Vol 84: The Falling Part 1
DefinitiveG1Collection v85.jpg|Vol 85: The Falling Part 2
DefinitiveG1Collection v86.jpg|Vol 86: The Everlasting Voices
DefinitiveG1Collection v87.jpg|Vol 87: Crucible
DefinitiveG1Collection v88.jpg|Vol 88: Unicron
</gallery>
<gallery caption="Miscellaneous" perrow="6">
DefinitiveG1Collection v73.jpg|Vol 73: Transformers vs. G.I. Joe, Part 1
DefinitiveG1Collection v74.jpg|Vol 74: Transformers vs. G.I. Joe, Part 2
DefinitiveG1Collection v92.jpg|Vol 92: Transformers: The Movie
DefinitiveG1Collection v93.jpg|Vol 93: Beast Wars: The Gathering
DefinitiveG1Collection v94.jpg|Vol 94: Beast Wars: The Ascending
DefinitiveG1Collection v95.jpg|Vol 95: G.I. Joe vs. Transformers, Part 1
DefinitiveG1Collection v96.jpg|Vol 96: G.I. Joe vs. Transformers, Part 2
DefinitiveG1Collection v97.jpg|Vol 97: G.I. Joe vs. Transformers, Part 3
</gallery>
<gallery caption="2019 IDW continuity" perrow="6">
DefinitiveG1Collection v98.jpg|Vol 98: The World In Your Eyes
DefinitiveG1Collection v99.jpg|Vol 99: The Cracks Beneath Your Feet
DefinitiveG1Collection v100.jpg|Vol 100: Constructicons Rising
</gallery></center>

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.transformerscollection.com/ Official website]

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Transformers (2019 comic)

2021-06-17T12:08:47Z

Levyshahar: /* Creative team */

{{disambig3.5|the 2019 comic series|the similarly-titled 2009 comic series|The Transformers (IDW)|Transformers}}
[[File:TF1 cvrRI A.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|We're back, baby!]]
[[File:IDW Transformers Jan 2019 logo.png|center|500px]]

'''''Transformers''''' is an ongoing comic series from [[IDW Publishing]] that debuted in [[Calendar|March]] [[2019]], releasing issues every two weeks for its first six months of publication before switching to a monthly release schedule in September 2019. The series marks the first installment of a [[2019 IDW continuity|brand-new continuity]] for IDW's ''Transformers'' comics, replacing the [[2005 IDW continuity|previous ongoing continuity]] that ran from [[2005]] to [[2018]].

{{quote|Before an [[Great War (G1)|endless war]] raged between the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s. Before Orion Pax took on the mantle of [[Optimus Prime (G1)#2019 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]. Before [[Earth]] ever learned about the strange robotic alien beings from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]—the [[Transformer]]s—there was peace. There was society. There was wonder. Join us now at the dawn of a bold new era...}}

{{chapters|align=center|title=''Transformers'' issues:|content=
*[[The World In Your Eyes Part One|#1]]
*[[The World In Your Eyes Part Two|#2]]
*[[The World In Your Eyes Part Three|#3]]
*[[The World In Your Eyes Part Four|#4]]
*[[The World In Your Eyes Part Five|#5]]
*[[Orion Pax: Free Fall|#6]]
*[[The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part One|#7]]
*[[The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Two|#8]]
*[[The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Three|#9]]
*[[The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Four|#10]]
*[[The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Five|#11]]
*[[Nautica: Home|#12]]
*[[The Change In Your Nature Part One|#13]]
*[[The Change In Your Nature Part Two|#14]]
*[[The Change In Your Nature Part Three|#15]]
*[[The Change In Your Nature Part Four|#16]]
*[[The Change In Your Nature Part Five|#17]]
*[[Arcee/Greenlight: Run|#18]]
*[[Rise of the Decepticons: All Fall Down|#19]]
*[[Rise of the Decepticons: Swindle's|#20]]
*[[Rise of the Decepticons: Tremors|#21]]
*[[Rise of the Decepticons: Prisoners|#22]]
*[[Rise of the Decepticons: We Have Deceived You|#23]]
*[[Wheeljack: Orbital Decay|#24]]
*[[War World: Prime|#25]]
*[[War World: Awakenings|#26]]
*[[War World: Moon|#27]]
*[[War World: Hunt|#28]]
*[[War World: Titans|#29]]
*[[War World: We Are Not Meant To Be Darkness|#30]]
*[[Light/Star|Annual 2021]]
*[[Lord of Misrule: Test Flight I|#31]]
*[[Lord of Misrule: Test Flight II|#32]]
*[[Lord of Misrule: Swindle's II|#33]]
*[[Sea Of Rust: Part I|#34]]

*'''Specials:''' Valentine's Day Special ([[Transformers Valentine's Day Special|main strip]]
*[[Open Comms|backup strip]])
}}

==Overview==
[[File:Transformers-2019-1-cvrA-clean.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1| The day when we see Optimus and Megatron standing side by side... ''pfftt'']]
Set prior to the war between [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s, ''Transformers'' takes place on a thriving, peaceful [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] that serves as an interstellar commerce hub. The era of peace is brought to an unexpected end, however, when the planet experiences its first murder in living memory.<ref>[https://previewsworld.com/Catalog/JAN190714 ''Transformers'' #1 solicitation]</ref>

==Creative team==
The series is written by [[Brian Ruckley]]. Issues were regularly drawn by more than one artist. In the beginning, duties were originally split between [[Angel Hernandez]] and [[Cachét Whitman]], with Hernandez illustrating the majority of the pages in each issue. <ref name=transmissions20190313>[https://www.transmissionspodcast.com/2019/03/alt-mode-special-8-brian-ruckley-transcript/ Alt Mode Special 8 – Brian Ruckley Interview Transcript]</ref> The [[The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part One|second arc of the series]] saw the introduction of [[Anna Malkova]] and [[Beth McGuire-Smith]] to the artistic team, and Malkova has since become the primary artist for the book.

==Collections==
*'''''Transformers Volume 1: The World In Your Eyes''''' ([[January 22]], [[2020]]) ISBN 1684055318 / ISBN 978-1684055319
**Hardcover.
**Collects issues #1–12.
**Bonus material includes alternate covers.

*'''''Transformers Volume 2: The Change In Their Nature''''' ([[September 16]], 2020) ISBN 1684056756 / ISBN 978-1684056750
**Hardcover.
**Collects ''Transformers'' issues #13–18 and ''[[Transformers: Galaxies|Galaxies]]'' issues #1–6.
**Bonus material includes alternate covers.

*'''''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection]] Volume 98: The World In Your Eyes''''' ([[October 7]], 2020)
:*Contains ''Transformers'' issues #1–7.
:*Bonus material includes a cover gallery, a Q&A with series writer [[Brian Ruckley]], and an intro by [[Simon Furman]].

*'''''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection]] Volume 99: The Cracks Beneath Your Feet''''' ([[October 21]], 2020)
:*Contains ''Transformers'' issues #8–14.
:*Bonus material includes a cover gallery, and an intro by Simon Furman.

*'''''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection]] Volume 100: Constructicons Rising''''' ([[November 4]], 2020)
:*Contains ''Transformers'' issues #15–17 and ''Galaxies'' issues #1–4.
:*Bonus material includes a 2-page afterword on the full Hachette G1 collection series, a tiny cover gallery of the Hachette series, a retrospective on the various G1 publishing companies, a cover gallery of the IDW issues and an intro by [[Simon Furman]].

*'''''Transformers Volume 3: All Fall Down''''' ([[February 24]], [[2021]]) ISBN 1684057396 / ISBN 978-1684057399
**Hardcover.
**Collects ''Transformers'' issues #19–24 and ''Galaxies'' issues #7–12.
**Bonus material currently unknown, most likely alternate covers.

*'''''Transformers Volume 4: Declaration of War''''' ([[August 11]], 2021 **''scheduled''**) ISBN 1684058066 / ISBN 978-1684058068
**Hardcover.
**Collects ''Transformers'' issues #25–30, ''Transformers Valentine's Day Special'', and ''[[Transformers: Escape|Escape]]'' issues #1–5.
**Bonus material currently unknown, most likely alternate covers.

<gallery>
TF-IDW-2019v1.jpg|'''''Volume 1: The World In Your Eyes'''''; cover art by [[Cryssy Cheung]]
TF-IDW-2019v2.jpg|'''''Volume 2: The Change In Their Nature'''''; cover art by Cryssy Cheung
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v98.jpg|'''''The Definitive G1 Collection Volume 98: The World In Your Eyes''''' cover by [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] (Quake) and [[Cachét Whitman]]
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v99.jpg|'''''The Definitive G1 Collection Volume 99: The Cracks Beneath Your Feet''''' cover by Dreamwave (Cyclonus) and [[Angel Hernandez]]
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v100.jpg|'''''The Definitive G1 Collection Volume 100: Constructicons Rising''''' cover by [[Don Figueroa]] (Scrapper) and [[Livio Ramondelli]]
TF-IDW-2019v3.jpg|'''''Volume 3: All Fall Down'''''; cover art by Cryssy Cheung
TF-IDW-2019v4.jpg|'''''Volume 4: Declaration of War'''''; cover art by Cryssy Cheung
</gallery>

==Notes==
*''Transformers'' makes extensive use of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' toy designs, notably from the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'', including toy-mandatory features such as protruding hinge covers. Characters without ''Generations'' figures generally utilize the most recent alternative (such as from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]'') or their original Generation 1 designs. Comments from artists indicate this is not a Hasbro mandate<ref>[https://twitter.com/markerguru/status/1131941391012159489 Tweet by Alex Milne (@markerguru), 24 May 2019]</ref> but rather a consensus for ease-of-access to reference material and therefore, consistency.<ref>Comments by Anna Malkova at virtual TFNation 2020 panel</ref>
*Initial promotion for the series stated that Hernandez and [[Ron Joseph]] would be the artists, but Joseph had to drop the project for personal reasons and was replaced by Whitman.<ref name=transmissions20190313 />

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/hasbros-transformers-comic-explore-cybertron-very-beginning-1170456/ Series announcement] at The Hollywood Reporter

[[Category:IDW (2019)]]
[[Category:IDW titles]]

Rules of Disengagement (issue)

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Levyshahar: /* Trivia */

{{disambigr|Rules of Disengagement|the mobile game event|Rules of Disengagement (Legends)}}
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|next=Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations
|seriesissue2="Scavengers"
|next2=Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?
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|image=MTMTE7_cvrA.jpg
|title="Rules of Disengagement"
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[July 25]], [[2012]]
|coverdate=July 2012
|story by=[[James Roberts]]
|art by=[[Alex Milne]]
|colors by=[[Josh Burcham]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
|letters by=[[Shawn Lee]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
|continuity=[[2005 IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[2005 IDW timeline#2012-2013|Current era (2012)]]
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'''A mismatched group of Decepticons find themselves in the crosshairs of the deadliest team of killers there is... the Decepticon Justice Division!'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Mtmte7 djd.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8|"No one cared who I was until I put on the mask."]]
As a [[Phase Sixer]], [[Black Shadow (Victory)|Black Shadow]] is one of the most feared Decepticons, having tackled the [[Wrecker]]s single-handedly, defeated the entire [[113th Battalion]], and massacred the population of [[Rigel IV]]. But when he accepted a bribe to blow up a fleet of [[Warworld|War Worlds]], he landed himself in the sights of the [[Decepticon Justice Division]], a team of vicious killers fanatically dedicated to [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] and charged with destroying all who cross him. It's not a pretty sight when the D.J.D. catch up to Black Shadow: melted by [[Helex (DJD)|Helex]], crushed by [[Tesarus (DJD)|Tesarus]], and electrocuted by [[Kaon (DJD)|Kaon]], he is explosively finished off when DJD leader [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]] uses his ability of "weaponized conversation" to stop the pulse of his [[spark]]. Their task done, the DJD set off to find their next target on the planet of [[Clemency]]—a target guilty of simply living.

On the ''[[Lost Light]]'', [[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]], [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]], and [[Ambulon]] combine their medical expertise to save the life of the wounded [[Rung (G1)|Rung]], though the psychiatrist remains comatose. A few hours later, [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] visits Rung in secrecy, believing—in his increasing paranoia—that the attempt on Rung's life was a deliberate one after Red told him about the voice he heard from beneath the ship. Certain that he is next, Red hides a [[data slug]] containing video he has taken of the voice's owner—[[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]—on Rung's body and bids him goodbye. But a medical [[Diagnostic Drone]] has observed the entire thing, and soon, a shadowed figure arrives in the medibay and recovers the slug...

[[File:RulesofDisengagement-FulcrumMisfire.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2]]
On Clemency, a band of [[Decepticon]] [[Scavenger (group)|Scavengers]] consisting of [[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]], [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]], [[Krok (G1)|Krok]], [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]], and [[Flywheels]] are in the process of draining [[Transformer fuel|fuel]] from the vast array of Transformer corpses that litter the war-torn world when one of them, a chipper fellow named [[Fulcrum]], proves to be still alive. After a slight panic over the possibility that he might be a [[zombie]], the six 'cons settle down around a fire to talk about the great battle in Clemency's past, and the grim reality of war and how it reduces lives to statistics. Fulcrum is shocked to discover that the war is ''over'', barely able to comprehend such a thing, and the other Decepticons mumble about how meaningless it all turned out to be and how unclear their goals had been anyway. In spite of this, though, when one of the Autobot bodies stoking the Decepticons' fire proves to still be alive, Krok casually kills the poor 'bot.

Back on the ''Lost Light'', [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] visits [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] in his lab to get the scientist's analysis of [[Skids (G1)|Skids]]'s mysterious gun, which Chromedome palmed from the theoretician when he was distracted. The weapon immediately blew up when Brainstorm tried to examine it, but he was able to recognise at least some of the engineering, and has concluded that as impossible as it may seem, the gun may have come from somewhere known as "the [[Institute]]"...

[[File:MTMTE7 artificial gravity.jpg|thumb|left|upright=2.2]]
As dawn breaks on Clemency, the Decepticons resume their scavenging, only for Misfire to suddenly break away from the group, thinking that he has spotted the [[Mortilus|Necrobot]], a mythical Grim Reaper-like figure in Cybertronian culture. Instead, what he has discovered is a P-6 [[Worldsweeper]], a famous model of gigantic Decepticon spaceship cast in the image of the faction's [[insignia]]. Investigating the vessel, the Decepticons make some horrifyingly strange discoveries: a ceiling covered entirely in [[brain module]]s, tanks of warped, malformed [[protoform]]s, [[Treecon|a non-functional robot]] made entirely of wood, and a corridor composed of organic flesh that proves to have been responsible for causing the ship to crash, having ''bled'' into the fuel supply and polluted it. Misfire in particular is aghast and advocates immediate departure, but Fulcrum, coming around to the idea of new horizons, is eager to investigate. All emotions on the ship quickly turn to terror, however, when Krok receives a communication from the D.J.D., announcing that one of their number is on the Division's list. Tarn signs off with the promise that if the guilty party is handed over, the other six will be allowed to watch his execution. The numbers don't add up, and Fulcrum assumes the D.J.D. simply miscounted their life-signs... but Krok soon discovers that there is indeed a seventh party on the ship, unconscious and sealed in a stasis tube... [[Grimlock (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Grimlock]]!
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.) 
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*''[[Piston (Wrecker)|Piston]]''<ref name="RobertsIDWforum">[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=301648#301648 James Roberts, IDW forum]: A while back I was PM'd by Ironhide/Paul, who asked me for some information on the Wreckers who showed up in the flashback on Page 1 of issue 7. I promised to post something on this forum. Here's the relevant extract from the script:

2 / Flashback. BLACK SHADOW fights the Wreckers (an old version of the team) at close quarters: tight, dirty and violent. He rips CREST’s head off and blasts PISTON through the chest, killing him. Also in shot are VALVE, HYPERION, IMPACTOR and RACK, all trying to get a piece of him. But it’s clear that Black Shadow owns this fight. Crest has been mentioned but not seen before, but should be readily identifiable by a big old crest on his chest. Valve is a spark brother to Springarm and Wheelarch, so should look like them. Piston is all-new. Hyperion was glimpsed in MTMTE issue 2.</ref> (2)
*''[[Rack'n'Ruin (G1)|Rack]]''<ref name="RobertsIDWforum" /> (3)
*''[[Valve]]''<ref name="RobertsIDWforum" /> (4)
*''[[Hyperion (G1)|Hyperion]]''<ref name="RobertsIDWforum" /> (6)
*''[[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]'' (7)
*''[[Crest]]''<ref name="RobertsIDWforum" /> (8)
*''[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]]'' (9)
*''[[Pyro (G1)|Pyro]]'' (10)
*''[[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]]'' (11)
*''[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]]'' (12)
*''[[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]]'' (13)
*''[[Kup (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Kup]]'' (14)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]] (21)
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*[[Rung (G1)|Rung]] (22)
*[[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] (23)
*[[Ambulon]] (24)
*[[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] (25)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (26)
*[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (27)
*[[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] (34)
*[[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] (35)
*''[[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]]'' (36)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Grimlock]] (37)
{{!}}}
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*[[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]] (1)
*[[Black Shadow (Victory)|Black Shadow]] (5)
*[[Kaon (DJD)|Kaon]] (15)
*[[Helex (DJD)|Helex]] (16)
*[[Tesarus (DJD)|Tesarus]] (17)
*[[Vos (DJD)|Vos]] (18)
*''[[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]]'' (19)
*[[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]] (28)
*[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] (28)
*[[Flywheels]] (30)
*[[Krok (G1)|Krok]] (31)
*[[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]] (32)
*[[Fulcrum]] (33)
|c4=
*[[Dominus Ambus|The Pet]] (20)
}}

==Quotes==
"'My weapon is my burden: a reminder of the path I was forced to take. When the word 'weapon' is emptied of meaning; when the '''purpose''' of a weapon is impossible to grasp; when the rejection of my weapon is of significance to no one other than myself... only then shall I remove it from my arm. Because only then will I have earned the right to rid myself of my burden.'"
:-'''Tarn''' recites a passage from Megatron's ''[[Towards Peace]]''

"Nice to meet you, loser! They call me '''Misfire'''. Long story. Actually, you know what? It isn't. It's a very short story involving a machine gun, a '''misunderstanding''', and a dozen dead Decepticons."
:—In the IDW-universe, '''Misfire''' actually managed to hit something!

'''Fulcrum:''' "Ah! Now! Just—just wait a second! Just— The thing about me—my big thing is this: I'm really not keen on '''dying'''. Now '''survival'''—oh wow, '''huge''' fan. Put me down for some of '''that'''. Besides, we don't even know each other! You might '''like''' me! You might find me—disarming! Yes! I'd '''disarm''' you!" 
'''Spinister:''' "You'd '''what''' me?" 
'''Flywheels:''' "Careful—he's using words to confuse and frighten us."

"'''Go away.''' I'm busier than you've ever been and I'm doing more important things than you've ever done." 
"It's Chromedome." 
"So?" 
"So you have to be '''nice''' to me, I'm your only friend. Why are you—?" 
"Building weapons whilst hanging from the ceiling? Because no one else can. I was hoping '''Perceptor''' would walk in."
:—'''Brainstorm''' and '''Chromedome'''

"Chromedome, you're looking at a bona fide '''Binary Gun.'''" 
"What's a Binary Gun?" 
"I'm not sure—I've only just made up the name. But I called it that because inside there's only room for two cartridges, '''here''' and '''here.'''" 
"So what does it '''do?''' Where'd Skids get it? Why'd he carry it around with him all the time?" 
"I don't know! I've done my bit...!" 
"You made the gun '''blow up''' and then you '''gave it a name!''' I could have done that '''and''' I'd have come up with a better name!"
:—'''Brainstorm''' and '''Chromedome''' again

"But there's '''always''' been a war! That's like saying there's no more '''blue''' or—or the '''weather's''' stopped!"
:—'''Fulcrum''' catches up on recent history

"I always dreamed of captaining my own P-6—Followin' the likes of [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]] and [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] and the other big guns. I'd have called it something '''noble''' and '''majestic''', like '''''Mega Starpuncher''''' or '''''Mighty Spaceship'''''."
:—'''Crankcase'''

"You know, there are some Decepticons who, upon finding themselves in a skin-covered room surrounded by '''aborted protoforms''' and '''mechanoids made of bark,''' would rub their hands together, marvel at the universe's infinite capacity for surprise and '''dive right in.''' I am not one of those Decepticons. I say we run away screaming." 
"I '''am''' one of those Decepticons, Misfire, and I say we stick around—because frankly, this is amazing." 
"What's amazing?" 
"This! Us! Now! Who owns this ship? Where are they now? Where will '''we''' be an '''hour''' from now, or '''tomorrow''', or '''next month?''' The answer to '''all''' those questions is '''"Who knows?"''' And that's a '''great answer!''' That's the '''best answer ever!''' All our lives we've followed orders—all our lives someone else has always told us what to do next! Well, not anymore! For the first time in '''forever,''' we can do whatever we like! We're '''free!'''"
:—'''Misfire''' and '''Fulcrum'''

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Black Shadow was established to be a Phase Sixer in his sole previous IDW appearance in ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'' [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|#2]].
*Tarn quotes a passage from ''[[Towards Peace]]'', which will later be established as Megatron's autobiography.
*In addition to obvious members Impactor and Rack (pre-Ruin), the version of the Wreckers that Black Shadow fights is made up mostly of characters mentioned and briefly glimpsed in past James Roberts works which he specified in the script.<ref name="RobertsIDWforum" /> None are named on-panel but Hyperion is recognizable from his corpse's role in [[Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|issue #2]], while Valve has never been seen before, but shares a body-type with his brothers [[Wheelarch]] and [[Springarm]] from "[[Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory]]". Crest was mentioned in "[[Bullets]]" (and can be recognized by his large chest-crest), while the unfortunate Piston is a new character, separate from the earlier IDW character [[Piston (mechanic)|of the same name]].
*The Decepticon Justice Division were first mentioned in one of Roberts's earliest IDW works, [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #1]], and have come up on occasion since then. They are named after cities on Cybertron; specifically, the "[[Fall of the First Five Cities|First Five Cities]]" to fall to the Decepticons in the war, which were listed in [[Life After the Big Bang|issue #4]].
*Chromedome palmed Skids's gun between pages 4 and 5 of [[Life After the Big Bang|issue #4]].
*Reference was previously made to the mysterious "Institute" by the [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|nameless senator]] in [[Chaos Theory Part 2|"Chaos Theory", Part 2]], and as part of Red Alert's paranoid delusions in [[How Ratchet Got His Hands Back|issue #5]].
*The [[Mortilus|Necrobot]] was previously mentioned by [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] in [[Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|issue #3]] among other [[:Category: Things that don't exist|things that don't exist]] like the [[Shimmer]] or the [[Moonbase One|Seething Moon]]. All of these turn out to exist in some form...
*Grimlock was last seen at the close of the ''[[The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots|Maximum Dinobots]]'' mini-series, over three years before the publication of this issue. Since then, all we've heard is that he had left [[Garrus-9]] after it was sacked by the Decepticons under unrevealed circumstances, as detailed in [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #4]].

===Transformers references===
*Black Shadow's design is based on his ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Black Shadow (Victory)#Generations|toy]].
*Whilst [[Rigel III|other]] [[Rigel 6|planets]] that orbit [[Rigel|the same star]] have shown up in Transformers fiction before, this issue is the first mention of Rigel IV. It's also known as being the home of {{w|Kang and Kodos|a pair of pesky space aliens}} from ''The Simpsons''.
* Surprisingly, this isn't [[Mara-Al-Utha|the first time]] that wooden robots have shown up in a G1 continuity.
*Black Shadow's bribe is in [[Shanix]], a little-referenced Cybertronian currency that first appeared in [[Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!|issue #113]] of the Marvel UK series. It's seen some previous mentions in IDW continuity in [[Chaos Theory Part 1|''The Transformers'' #22]] and [[Stick Together|''Robots in Disguise'' #3]].
*The ''Warworld'' was the Decepticon mothership in the Marvel ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2]]'' comic. The idea of a fleet of multiple Warworlds originated with the non-canon ''[[Alignment]]''.
*Vos's dialogue, referred to as the "[[Cybertronian language#2005 IDW continuity|Primal Vernacular]]", is written using the [[Cyberglyphics]] symbol language from the [[movie continuity|live-action movie continuity]]. Employing the substitution cypher regularly used by [[Titan Books|Titan]] in their [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|UK ''Transformers'' comic]] shows that most of his speech bubbles are nonsense, however, save for the first, which reads: "So tired me go night xth".
*[[Kol]] was first seen in [[Swarm (issue)|''Generation 2'' #9]], where it was a planet. It became the name of a [[Kol System|system]] in [[Stormbringer issue 2|''Stormbringer'' #2]] with the introduction of [[Varas Centralus]], which is located there.
*Roberts had previously created a Decepticon named Fulcrum in his fan-published ''Transformers: Eugenesis'' novel. Whether these are meant to be iterations of the same character (as was the case with Rung) or just a name reuse is unclear.
*That Flywheels should freak out so seriously at the prospect of a [[zombie]] is fitting, given his prominent role in the greatest ''Transformers'' zombie story, Marvel UK's "[[City of Fear!]]" (indeed, his only prominent role in anything before now).
*To go by the original tech spec numbers, Krok is actually the lowest ranking Decepticon of his group. But since when was fiction accurate to the tech specs?
*[[Hydrus Four|Hydrus 4]] is the planet of origin for [[Nucleon (substance)|nucleon]], seen in the original Marvel series. Its sister world [[Hydrus 5]] was created by James Roberts and first mentioned in "[[Bullets]]".
*The planet [[Elpasos]] is mentioned in passing, a world that debuted in—you guessed it, issue #113 of the Marvel UK series. It got a previous IDW mention in [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #5]].
*Reference is made to "Nova Peak", which is prrrrrobably the same thing as [[Nova Point]].

===Trivia===
*Although "Rules of Disengagement" is the only on-page title for this issue's story, the following issue was labelled "Scavengers (Part 2)", identifying this as an unmarked Part 1.
*The 113th Battalion is another use of the number 113 by James Roberts, referring to the [[Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!|issue of the UK comic]] that got him hooked on the series. On the same page, Black Shadow is seen battling the '''11'''th iteration of the Wreckers, with '''3''' kills.
*This is not the first time Roberts has written a character as having been "talked to death", though this version is a lot more literal than the reference made in "Bullets" to [[Violator|a Decepticon]] who killed himself rather than listen to [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] drone on!
*Krok's ship is named the ''[[Weak Anthropic Principle]]'', which is a philosophical postulate which basically states that only a universe capable of supporting intelligent life is able to be noted by said life, whereas a universe incapable of supporting such life will go unbeheld.

===Errors===
*"Halt" is misspelled "hault" on page 3; this was corrected for the TPB.
*Spinister was previously shown to be among the Decepticons who had already returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[The Autonomy Lesson (issue)|#1]]. Quick, someone [[Bluster|make up]] [[Firster Aid|a name]]!
*Spinister's name is misspelled as "Spinisther" during the search of the Symbol Ship; this remained uncorrected in the TPB.
*Krok spends most of the issue in a new set of colors, only appearing in his toy's colors in one panel on page 20.

===Crew Manifest===
*The "Story so far" segment on the inside front cover notes that "a number of [[Delphi]]'s patients" were brought to the ''Lost Light'', which is the first mention that anyone other than [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Fortress Maximus]] came back with Ratchet and the medics.
*5 deaths, 5+ new arrivals since the launch.

===Soundtrack===
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gOpULt67dU "Easter Parade"] by {{w|Emmy the Great}}
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzDihi17EY8 "My Year in Lists"] by {{w|Los Campesinos!}}

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Tarn, by Alex Milne and [[Josh Perez]]
*'''Cover B:''' Misfire, Crankcase, Spinister, Flywheels, and Krok, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
*'''Cover RI:''' [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]] and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], by [[Marcelo Matere]] and [[Priscilla Tramontano]], the second quarter of a combined image formed with the RI cover to ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Interference Patterns|#7]], [[Dinobot Hunt (IDW)|#8]], and ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' [[Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|#8]].

<gallery>
File:MTMTE7_cvrA.jpg|The last image in Black Shadow's mind.
File:MTMTE7_cvrB.jpg|Hi, can I have your heart?
File:MTMTE7_cvrRI.jpg|Cover RI
</gallery>

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*''[[The Transformers: Regeneration One|Regeneration One]]'' [[Loose Ends, Part 2|#82]]
*Sergio Aragones' ''Groo: Artist's Edition''
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===Reprints===
*'''''The Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye Volume 2''''' ([[October 17]], [[2012]]) ISBN 1613774982 / ISBN 978-1613774984 
:*Contains issues #4 to #8.
:*Bonus material includes art from most covers, "Meet the Crew" and "Meet the 'Cons" pages.

*'''''[[The Transformers: The IDW Collection Phase Two: Volume 2]]''''' ([[August 12]], [[2015]]) ISBN 1631403648 / ISBN 978-1631403644
:*Contains issues #6 to 8, as well as ''[[The Transformers: Autocracy|Autocracy]]'', ''[[The Reluctant Specialist|Spotlight: Trailcutter]]'', ''[[The Waiting Game|Spotlight: Hoist]]'', ''Robots in Disguise'' #7 to 9 and ''[[Omega's Conundrum|Spotlight: Orion Pax]]''.

*'''''Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye Box Set''''' ([[December 2]], 2015) ISBN 1631404741 / ISBN 978-1631404740
:*Contains ''The Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye'' Volumes 1 to 5.
:*Bonus content UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME.

* '''''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection]]: Volume 55: Shadowplay''''' ([[January 9]], [[2019]])
:* Hardcover collection of ''More than Meets the Eye'' #7 to #13, plus the 2012 Annual.
:* Bonus content the second of a new three-part interview with Roberts, early pages of scripts, and design sketches from Alex Milne.

<gallery>
File:MTMTE vol2.jpg|'''Volume 2'''; cover art by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Josh Perez]]
File:IDWCollectionP2V2.jpg|'''''IDW Collection Phase 2 Vol. 2'''''; cover art by [[Sarah Stone]]
File:MTMTE boxset.jpg|'''Box Set'''; cover art by [[Marcelo Matere]]
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v55.jpg|'''''Definitive G1 Collection: Volume 55: Shadowplay'''''; cover art by [[Don Figueroa]] (Whirl) and Alex Milne (retro)
</gallery>

==References==
{{reflist}}

Second Generation!

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{{disambig2|the story in the Marvel UK comics|the Titan Books trade paperback|Transformers: Second Generation}}
{{comicstory|
|prev=Devastation Derby!
|prev2=Victory!
|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|''The Transformers'' (UK)]] #63–65
|next=The Smelting Pool!
|image=MarvelUK-064.jpg
|caption=...and he must let the world think that he is dead until he can find a way to control the raging spirit that dwells within him.
|title="Second Generation!"
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]
|date=Part 1: [[May 24|24th May]], [[1986]] Part 2: [[May 31|31st May]], 1986 Part 3: [[June 7|7th June]], 1986
|coverdate=Part 1: [[May 31|31st May]], 1986 Part 2: [[June 7|7th June]], 1986 Part 3: [[June 14|14th June]] 1986
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|art=[[John Stokes]] (Part 1), [[Barry Kitson]] & [[Tim Perkins]] (Part 2), [[Jeff Anderson]] (Part 3)
|colours=[[Josie Firmin]] (Part 1), [[Steve Whitaker]] & [[Stuart Place]] (Part 2), [[Tony Jozwiak]] (Part 3)
|lettering=[[Mike Scott]] (Parts 1-2), [[Annie Halfacree]] (Part 3)
|editor=[[Ian Rimmer]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]}}
'''The Autobots and Decepticons learn the secrets of the next generation of combining Transformers due to a <s>commercial</s> message left in Buster's mind by the Creation Matrix.'''

==Synopsis==
===Part 1===
[[File:SecondGeneration mindlink.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.5|Optimus Prime: limbo dynamo.]]
[[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] dreams a terrible dream, in which he flees across a burning wasteland from the implacable [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]]. The [[Autobot]]s cannot help him; Shockwave cuts them down without mercy. Buster appears doomed... until a [[Superion (G1)|giant Autobot unknown to Buster]] suddenly appears and blasts Shockwave to scrap. The newcomer's victory is short-lived, however, as a [[Menasor (G1)|giant, unfamiliar Decepticon]] appears to attack him. While the two strangers fight, Buster tries to get away, but finds his path blocked by [[Combaticon (G1)|five more Decepticons]]—five Decepticons who, as Buster watches in horrified awe, ''merge together'' to become [[Bruticus (G1)|another giant]]!

Buster awakes with a start in the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], where [[Jesse (G1)|Jesse]], his father [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]], and the Autobots are all by his bedside. After they calm Buster down, Sparkplug rounds on the Autobots, blaming [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] for Buster's plight—a consequence of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] having been temporarily stored in his mind. But Optimus Prime is sure that Buster's "nightmare" is not an affliction, but a ''message'' from the Matrix itself, which he believes the Autobots can decipher if Buster will let them reach into his mind. Buster agrees, and he and Prime are hooked up to a machine that will let the Autobot leader join Buster in his dreams.

At the [[Wyoming base|Wyoming coal mine]] that serves as [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s current hideaway, [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] brings news to the deposed Decepticon leader of the Matrix message within Buster's mind. Megatron quickly orders Soundwave to return to [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]] so that he can learn the secrets of the message. Soundwave does so, arriving just in time to watch as Shockwave uses the machine he previously employed to drain the Matrix from Optimus Prime's mind to remotely tap into Buster's mind. The Decepticons observe as his dream unfolds...

===Part 2: "Electric Dreams!"===
[[File:SecondGeneration the names superion.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.5]]
Together in the dream-world, Buster and Optimus Prime watch as a group of five new Autobots named the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] evacuate a [[Pullen Power Plant|power plant]]. When [[Blades (G1)|Blades]] spots what he believes to be a group of human vehicles heading towards the plant, the Protectobots move to head them off, only to find that they are not humans, but the Decepticon [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]]. Through his holo-viewer, Shockwave marvels as the Stunticons combine into [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], the giant Decepticon from Buster's earlier dream—a combination Shockwave recognizes as superior to the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]' [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. His elation at the notion the Decepticons will go on to master combiner technology even more efficiently in the future is cut short, however, when the Protectobots reveal that they too possess the same power, and merge into [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]]!

Menasor and Defensor grapple, but the Autobot combiner soon finds himself outnumbered when the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] arrive and form [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]], the other Decepticon Buster had previously witnessed. Fortunately, the giant Autobot he previously saw defeat Menasor is soon to join the fray: [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], combined form of the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]]! The flaws of combiner technology prove to be the Decepticons' downfall: Menasor orders his arm to fire his gun, but the limb objects to being given orders, delaying in pulling the trigger just enough for Superion to dodge the blast, causing it to hit Bruticus. While Defensor stomps the fallen Bruticus into unconsciousness, Menasor tries to flee, but the ground beneath his feet crumbles away thanks to a blast from Superion's [[stress fracture cannon]]. Before the two victorious Autobot combiners can take the defeated Decepticons into custody, however, an emergency summons from Optimus Prime calls them back to the Ark, which is under attack. Forced to leave the Decepticons behind, they separate into their component Autobots and roll out, as Buster's dream comes to an end and he and Prime awake.

Soon after, Soundwave reports the news of the "[[Special Teams]]" to Megatron. Galvanized by this new discovery, Megatron instructs Soundwave to let Shockwave know his whereabouts, so that he can reclaim the title of Decepticon leader from him once and for all!

===Part 3: "Return Bout!"===
[[File:SecondGeneration megatron vs shockwav.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.25]]
The meeting between Megatron and Shockwave at the coal mine immediately descends into an out-and-out one-on-one battle for leadership, which [[Donny Finkleberg|Robot-Master]] televises for one of his pirate broadcasts. The fight is seen over the airwaves by the Autobots, but Optimus Prime decides there is little they can do about it, and opts to have the Autobots focus their energies into realizing Buster's vision of the future by designing and constructing the Aerialbots and Protectobots. Preparations are interrupted by an alarm that sounds in the medical bay, alerting Prime and [[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]] to a change in the condition of the comatose [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. Fortunately, it's good news—the five prehistoric Autobots have finally awoken, and are back to their old cranky selves.

Soundwave watches Megatron and Shockwave's battle on the sidelines with Robot-Master, despairing at the fact that a peaceful Decepticon co-existence seems impossible. Despair, however, slowly gives way to frustration; the two combatants are ''so'' evenly matched, and are both so conceited as to not accept it, that their continued in-fighting is only making the Decepticons look like a laughingstock. Soundwave steps into the middle of the battle and impertinently orders them to stop. Both equally outraged to be spoken to in this way by a subordinate, Megatron and Shockwave turn as one to reprimand him—an action that proves Soundwave's point for him, highlighting how alike Megatron and Shockwave really are. The pair relucantly agree to a joint leadership of the Decepticons for the greater good.

Meanwhile, in the far reaches of space, an electronic signal beamed into the void months earlier finally arrives at its destination: the distant world of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]!
{{--}}

==Featured Characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
{{collist|2|
*[[Jazz (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Jazz]] (3)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]] (5)
*[[Superion (G1)|Superion]] (6)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Bumblebee]] (19)
*[[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] (20)
*[[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] (21)
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]] (22)
*[[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] (23)
*[[Groove (G1)|Groove]] (24)
*[[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] (31)
*[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (32)
*[[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] (33)
*[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (34)
*[[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (35)
*[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (36)
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (38)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Wheeljack]] (39)
*[[Sludge (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Sludge]] (40)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] (41)
*[[Swoop (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Swoop]] (42)
*[[Slag (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Slag]] (43)
}}
|c2=
{{collist|2|
*[[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]] (1)
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (7)
*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (8)
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (9)
*[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] (10)
*[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] (11)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (12)
*[[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (13)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] (16)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] (17)
*[[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (25)
*[[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (26)
*[[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (27)
*[[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] (28)
*[[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (29)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (30)
*[[Ravage (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ravage]] (37)
}}
|c3=
*[[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (2)
*[[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (14)
*[[Jesse (G1)|Jessie]] (15)
*[[Donny Finkleberg|Robot-Master]] (18)
}}

==Quotes==

'''Buster:''' "Wow! These guys are neat!"
:— A dreaming '''Buster''' thinks ''everyone'' should go out and buy the '''Protectobots'''!

"I had hoped that a peaceful and profitable alliance could be arrived at between the two of them."
:—'''Soundwave''' is overly optimistic.

"'''Grimlock!''' Speak to me - are you alright?" 
"'''Get your clammy paws away from me, Ratchet!''' Since when have you or any other Autobots cared what happens to us Dinobots?!" 
"'''Yes''' - they're alright."
:—'''Ratchet''' checks on a just awakened '''Grimlock'''.

==Notes==
===Production notes===
[[Image:Protectobots special teams second generation.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.75]]
*"Second Generation!" was written at the express request of Hasbro, to promote the Special Teams toys that were hitting shelves in the UK at the time. The problem was, the characters were still months away from being introduced in the US stories, necessitating the "dream sequence"/"vision of the future" plot hook as a way of featuring the characters chronologically ahead of time.<ref>Simon Furman: "There were odd occasions where Hasbro UK would actually get it together and coordinate a story with a toy release. The Special Teams (in UK #63-65) story was one such instance, and in that case (because we were some way off reprinting the corresponding US issues) we had to work them in somehow (chronologically ahead of time)." [http://transfans.co.uk/interviews_furman.php TransFans.co.uk - Interviews: Simon Furman - Part 1 'The Past'].</ref> To its credit, the comic commits to the idea, with heavy advance promotion, free gifts, and special features (see "[[#Back-up material|back-up material]]," below) to sell kids on the new characters.
*Readers had already received a "trailer" for "Second Generation!" in the mini-comic "[[The Special Teams Have Arrived]]", included with [[Rock and Roll-Out!|issue #54]] a couple of months prior, which was retold (and expanded to add an ending after its cliffhanger) as the "dream sequence" for "Second Generation!", with some panels and dialogue directly lifted (right, and see "[[#Other trivia|Other trivia]]" below for more). The story was also adapted to become the UK audio cassette adventure, "[[The Special Teams]]," though we don't know the exact sequence of real-life events: was the short story conceived first, then used as the basis of the mini-comic, "Second Generation!", and the audio cassette independently, or did each of these works precipitate the other?
*With finished [[character model]]s for the Special Teams obviously unavailable to the comic's artists, all twenty-four of the new arrivals are consistently drawn based on their toys and [[package art]].

===Continuity notes===
*Footnotes remind us that Buster's current condition has come about after the events of the previous two stories, "[[Robot Buster!]]" and "[[Devastation Derby!]]".
*Sparkplug mentions his previous attempt to get Buster to stay away from the Autobots, as seen in [[The New Order|US issue #5]].
*Buster recalls his first meeting with [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Bumblebee]] (from [[The Transformers (issue)|US issue #1]]), Optimus Prime transferring the Matrix to him (from [[The Worse of Two Evils!|US issue #6]]), and him transferring the Matrix ''back'' to Prime (from [[Prime Time!|US issue #12]]), all complete with recreations of panels from those stories.
[[File:SecondGeneration holograph display unit.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.75]]
[[File:SecondGeneration dinobots awaken.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.75]]
*As in the [[Devastation Derby!|preceding story]], Shockwave's Decepticons are based out of a "fortress," but it's not clear which one; is it the "makeshift fortress" the [[Plight of the Bumblebee!|last US story]] oddly described Shockwave's forces as using, or is it the Decepticons' [[Fortress Sinister|original fortress]], recently re-introduced to UK continuity in "[[Robot Buster!]]," or did the UK comic intend for them to be the one and the same?
*It probably doesn't mean anything in regard to the above question, but the "holograph display unit" Shockwave uses to view Buster's dreams is based on the design of a piece of machinery seen in the "makeshift fortress" (right).
*We have to assume that Buster's dream is not a ''literal'' vision of the future, as it doesn't appear to fit into future continuity. When they are eventually introduced in [[Afterdeath!|US issue #24]], the Protectobots and Combaticons appear to be meeting for the first time, after which Optimus Prime dies at the end of the story. That would mean the events seen here—in which the teams have a separate encounter while Prime is still alive—doesn't fit. You could argue there's a little wiggle-room in issue #24's dialogue to handwave it and fit the events of the story between [[Decepticon Graffiti!|issue #23]] and #24, but the "dream" setting means there's little need.
*Optimus Prime is really gung-ho to build these new super-Autobots for a guy who not so long ago in "[[Crisis of Command!]]" decreed he would never use the Matrix to build [[Ultimate Autobot]]s. This continuity sticking point was simply unavoidable given the demands of Hasbro and the US stories, and would be smoothed over in the story "[[The Return of the Transformers]]," published in [[Transformers Annual 1986|that year's Transformers annual]].
*Speaking of the annual, readers are directed by a footnote to check it out for more details on the plight of the Dinobots (right), who have been comatose since the events of "[[Dinobot Hunt!]]". The annual contains the one-shot story "[[Victory!]]", which bridges the gap between "Dinobot Hunt!" and "Second Generation!", but it would not actually be published for another three months.
*This story sees Megatron and Shockwave enter into a joint leadership ''ahead'' of when the US reprints will show them doing the same, in [[The Bridge to Nowhere!|US issue #19]]. Dialogue in that story will be edited for the UK reprint to reflect this change.
*The signal shown reaching Cybertron on the final page of this story was sent by Soundwave back in [[The Next Best Thing to Being There!|US issue #10]]. The inclusion of this scene is another rare example of the UK comic directly setting up the next US story.
{{--}}

===Transformers references===
[[File:SecondGeneration commercial swipe.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.75|Just in case you didn't think this comic was enough of a commercial already, here's a ''literal commercial'' inside your commercial.]]
*The brief battle between Superion and Menasor seen in part 1 ends with Superion hurling the Decepticon into a rocky overhang, which collapses on top of him as the Aerialbot combiner raises his arms in triumph. This is directly based on the short animated segment from the television advert for the Aerialbot and Stunticon toys (right). This even extends to artist John Stokes copying a screengrab directly, which is why Menasor's legs are attached "backwards" for one panel—because the commercial used an early character model with alternate limb configuration.

===Real-life references===
*The title for part 2 (given in the "next issue" box at the end of part 1), "Electric Dreams!", is taken from the title of the {{w|Electric Dreams (film)|1984 movie of the same name}}, though probably indirectly; the reference was more likely specifically to the film's theme song, "{{w|Together in Electric Dreams}}," which far eclipsed the actual film in popularity and notability in 1980s UK.

===Continuity and plotting errors===
*Robot-Master introduces his broadcast at the start of part 3 by explaining for the audience that Megatron and Shockwave are fighting for Decepticon leadership. This doesn't make any sense; ''he's'' supposed to be pretending to be their master, and telling the public otherwise destroys the whole cover-story he's supposed to be perpetrating for [[Intelligence and Information Institute|Triple-I]].
*Cybertron is described as residing in "a galaxy far, far beyond our own." Given that it used to orbit [[Alpha Centauri]], the ''closest'' [[star system]] to our own Sun at 4.37 lightyears' distance, that's ''extraordinarily'' unlikely; this was probably supposed to say that it is a ''solar system'' far beyond our own, given the high frequency with which [[star system#Those poor, confused writers|"solar system" and "galaxy" are confused]] in ''Transformers'' fiction.

===Artwork and technical errors===
[[File:SecondGeneration take him out.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.5|I've heard of not being able to tell your left from your right, but...]]
*Shockwave has the blue shoulders of his outdated early color scheme throughout parts 1 and 2.
*Throughout part 1, Ratchet has red boots and shoulders instead of white, and a white helmet with a red forehead crest, instead of the inverse.
*Part 1, page 7, panel 1: Both of Menasor's legs are red; one should be grey, the other white. As noted above, he is largely drawn in this panel to the specifications of the early character model used in the Aerialbots and Stunticons television commercial, instead of being based on toy package art like in the rest of the comic.
*Part 1, page 9, panel 2: Megatron is missing his [[fusion cannon]].
*Part 2, page 4, panel 2: Buster says "These guy's are neat" when it should be "guys".
*Part 2, page 6, panel 2: Vortex is coloured like Blades. Soundwave cooked up an "explanation" for this in the [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|letters page]] of [[Command Performances!|issue #71]], claiming Vortex had special "camouflage circuits" that let him disguise himself as Blades, but he was pretty open about the fact he was making it up on the spot.
*Part 2, page 6, panel 5: As in "The Special Teams Have Arrived," Menasor orders Dead End (his left arm) to shoot Superion, but in this story, the art incorrectly shows Drag Strip (Menasor's right arm) carrying out the deed (right). This was corrected for the ''[[Transformers Collected Comics|Collected Comics]]'' reprint of the story by changing the name of the offending Stunticon, but subsequent reprints use the original, unaltered page.
*Throughout part 3:
**Soundwave's shoulder cannon disappears and reappears, and when it ''does'' appear, it's miscoloured silver-white instead of blue.
**Wheeljack is missing his shoulder cannon and fins.
**Optimus Prime's shoulder exhaust pipes are consistently colored red instead of silver-white.
*Part 3, page 2: Perspective and proportion on Shockwave's legs haven taken a holiday here.
*Part 3, page 6, panel 4: Optimus Prime's lower legs are grey instead of blue.
{{--}}

===Other trivia===
[[File:Stokesswipes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|On a single page, you can find three John Stokes panels (above) swiped from panels from a single page of Herb Trimpe's work in "Prime Time!".]]
[[File:Puttup.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|And no, it's not clear how he can spit without a mouth.]]
*In addition to the above-mentioned copying of a television commercial, artist John Stokes continues the form he established in the [[Transformers Annual 1985]] story "[[And There Shall Come...a Leader!]]," by littering his work on part 1 of "Second Generation!" with "swipes" from previous US issues, copying and adapting poses and panel-staging. These include:
**Shockwave's pose on page 2, panel 1, is copied from [[Warrior School!|US issue #7]], page 20, panel 2.
**Several panels of Optimus Prime and the humans on page 8 are copied from [[Prime Time!|US issue #12]], page 22 (right).
**Megatron's pose on page 9, panel 2, is copied from [[I, Robot-Master!|US issue #15]], page 20, panel 4.
**Also on page 9, the layout of panel 4 is swiped from US issue #15, page 21, panel 2.
**Shockwave on page 16, panel 5 is swiped from his stroll with Megatron in [[Repeat Performance!|US issue #8]], page 5, panel 2.
**As seen above, page 11, panel 1, showing Shockwave striding toward the holo-viewer, is swiped from [[Plight of the Bumblebee!|US issue #16]], page 2, panel 3.
**The shot of Soundwave in the doorway on page 10, panel 6, seems to be composited from [[The Next Best Thing to Being There!|US issue #10]], page 14, panel 7, and page 21, panel 2, explaining the odd way Soundwave is holding his gun sideways and at the ready.
*Similarly, part 2 features several panels and figures copied from "The Special Teams Have Arrived"—but in this case, it's artist Barry Kitson copying ''himself'', since he drew both of them. Replicated scenes include:
**The inset panel of Hot Spot and Optimus Prime on page 1 is a mirror-flip of "The Special Teams Have Arrived" page 1, panel 2.
**The Protectobots transforming on page 2, panel 2 is copied from the "The Special Teams Have Arrived" page 2, panel 1 (see "Production notes," above).
**The figures of Menasor (with Hot Spot looking up at him aghast) on page 4, panel 3, and Defensor on page 5, panel 6 come from panels 3 and 5 of page 2 of the mini-comic.
**Lastly, the Aerialbots combing in mid-air as the other combiners fight in the foreground is copied from "The Special Teams Have Arrived" page 3, panel 1.
*The colourists on issue #64 are credited rather cryptically as "W & P," they're [[Steve Whitaker|Steve '''W'''hitaker]] and [[Stuart Place|Stuart '''P'''lace]], who have both worked on the series already.<ref>[http://maelmill-insi.de/UHBMCC/transfo2.htm The Unofficial Handbook of Marvel Comics Creators]</ref>
*Throughout his tenure as host of the letters page, Soundwave would often use the word "Puttup!" (an onomatopoeic sound effect intended to represent spitting in disgust) to express dislike of things. With part 3 of "Second Generation!", it makes the jump into the comic strip itself, as he spits at Robot-Master in response to the offer of a cigarette (right).

===Back-up material===
'''Issue #63:'''
*'''[[Back-up strips]]:''' ''Rocket Raccoon'' ("The Book of Revelations," Part 2) and ''[[Robo-Capers]]''. The fifth and final installment of the ''{{w|Biggles (1986)|Biggles}}'' advert-comic runs this issue, causing ''Matt and the Cat'' to be left out again.
*'''Free Gift:''' The "Special Teams Special Collection Wallchart," a fold-out poster profiling all twenty members of the Special Teams and their combined forms (below). The spots for the four leaders and the four combined robots were left blank; the illustrations to fill these spots were included as free "collector cards" with the next seven issues, which buyers would stick in place on the chart. This issue came with Onslaught's card.
*Kicking off this issue is "[[Robot War|Robot War III]]", the third (and as it would turn out, final) in an irregular series of text features summarising the events of the comic so far.
'''Issue #64:'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''Rocket Raccoon'' ("The Book of Revelations," Part 3), ''Robo-Capers'' and ''Matt and the Cat''
*'''Free Gift:''' Hot Spot collector card for the Special Teams Special Collection Wallchart
'''Issue #65:'''
*'''Back-up strips:''' ''Rocket Raccoon'' ("The Book of Revelations," Part 4), ''Robo-Capers'' and ''Matt and the Cat''
*'''[[Fact File|Fact File Interface]]:''' [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] and [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]]
*'''Free Gift:''' Silverbolt collector card for the Special Teams Special Collection Wallchart
 
[[File:SecondGenerations special teams wallchart.jpg|thumb|center|upright=5|The Special Teams wallchart with all collector cards in place. For unknown reasons, Defensor and Bruticus use new Barry Kitson art instead of toy package art like the others. The Onslaught, Silverbolt, and Menasor cards were printed at the wrong orientation, in portrait format instead of landscape, requiring you to trim off the top and bottom to fit them inside the provided spaces.]]
{{-}}

===Covers (3)===
*'''Issue #63:''' Superion & Menasor [[package art]]; cover design by [[Alan Stevens]].
*'''Issue #64:''' Buster and Prime share a vision of the [[Special Teams]], by [[Geoff Senior]].
*'''Issue #65:''' Megatron vs. Shockwave with commentary from Robot-Master, by [[Robin Smith]].
<gallery>
File:MarvelUK-063.jpg|'''Issue #63'''
File:MarvelUK-064.jpg|'''Issue #64'''
File:MarvelUK-065.jpg|'''Issue #65'''
</gallery>

===Reprints===
<gallery>
File:Tfcolcom10.jpg|'''[[Transformers Collected Comics#10 – Holiday Special 1988|''Collected Comics'' #10]]'''; cover by [[Bryan Hitch]] (Marvel UK, 1988)
File:TitanSG.jpg|'''''[[Transformers: Second Generation]]''''' (Titan Books, 2005)
File:Classicuk2.jpg|'''[[The Transformers Classics UK Volume 2|''The Transformers Classics UK'' Volume 2]]''' (IDW Publishing, 2012)
File:DefinitiveG1Collection v4.jpg|'''[[Transformers: The Definitive G1 Collection|''The Definitive G1 Collection, Vol. 4: Second Generation'']]''' (Hachette Partworks, Ltd., 2018)
</gallery>

==References==
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[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]

Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity

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Levyshahar: /* A scientist before the war */

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[[File:mtmte 50 chromedome's last wishes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|What it's like being IDW Chromedome.]]
An ex-copper and quiet academic with burning passions, '''Chromedome''' falls easily in love and even more easily into really bad ideas and self destructive habits. But he can totally quit [[Mnemosurgery|mnemosurgery]] any time, guys! He just has a ''reason'' why this one time, it's okay.

He's [[Conjunx Endura]] with [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]]. Deep down, Chromedome's sure Rewind would leave him for [[Dominus Ambus|his previous partner]].

:*''First Appearance:'' [[Chaos Part One: Lamentations|Transformers vol. 1 #24]]

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==IDW Generation 1 continuity==
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===A scientist before the war===
[[File:MTMTE9 early Chromedome.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.1|In addition to neuroscience, his other interests include funny cat GIFs and ''[[Sherlock Holmes|Sherlock]]'' slashfic.]]
'''Tumbler of Iacon''' was [[Reproduction|constructed cold]] long before he adopted the name "Chromedome". {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} {{storylink|Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|The Fecund Moon}} {{storylink|The Not Knowing}}

Before the [[Great War (G1)|war]], during the days of the [[Clampdown (event)|Clampdown]], Tumbler was a mechaforensic scientist in the police force. The poor bugger was nicknamed "Unlucky" because he had to work with [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]], the most anal, full-autopsy loving officer of all time. Despite Prowl's Prowlness, the two had an ambiguous, more-than-partners relationship. Tumbler had a strong interest in [[mnemosurgery]], the science of hacking into Transformer minds and "reading" their memories, and was fascinated by the conspiracy theories of the [[Institute]], a supposed secret group used by the authorities to brainwash dissidents.

Tumbler and Prowl investigated the assassination of [[Sherma|Senator Sherma]], whose corpse had been marked with a Decepticon insignia, and backtracked his whereabouts to the posh [[Translucentica Heights]]. Unfortunately, the killer had struck again before they arrived, murdering a second senator! {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc}} Tumbler attempted to chase down a suspect, who perished in a fiery crash. Investigating the second victim's home, the two police 'bots learned from the warden [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] that the senator, [[Momus]] was secretly a Decepticon. The group were suddenly set upon a second attacker, but were saved by the timely arrival of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]], a fellow law enforcement officer. Pax had learned from his senator friend, [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]], that Sherma was also a secret Decepticon sympathizer, making it clear that the murders being committed ''against'' Decepticons, rather than ''by'' them.

[[File:Chromedome notices hands Patternism.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Pax was able to identify that the killers had been using borrowed bodies, so Prowl and Tumbler set out to investigate the nearest [[Relinquishment Clinic]], passing a Decepticon protest along the way. Although innocuous at first glance, the pair eventually found a secret facility beneath the clinic Tumbler believed to be the Institute. Along with proof that the killers had indeed been using borrowed bodies, Tumbler also discovered a list of citizens organized by threat level. Meeting back up in [[Rodion]], Orion Pax was able to use the list and other evidence he'd gathered to realize the true plot in motion: the Senate had arranged for the pro-Decepticon senators' murders so that the swift solving of the crimes would boost Decepticon faith in the Senate, increasing the turn-out for the recently created [[Decepticon Registration Act]]. The Senate then planned to detonate a bomb at the late [[Nominus Prime]]'s memorial service, hidden inside a fake [[Matrix of Leadership]], and blame it on the Decepticons, giving them an excuse to use the Registration Act list, found by Tumbler, to round up and brainwash the dissidents. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}}

With a plan to stop the bomb plot in place, Tumbler borrowed a replica Matrix from police armorer [[Ironfist (G1)|Ironfist]], to be switched by Pax for the Matrix-bomb. At a concerned Prowl's insistence, Tumbler was left behind during the 'heist' to switch the Matrix, and was instead assigned to guard Shockwave with Pax's colleague [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] at a safehouse. Unfortunately, the safehouse was attacked by Senate thugs, and whilst Pax arrived back there in time, he was forced to allow the enforcers to take Shockwave in return for Roller's life. Tumbler quickly led Pax to the Institute facility he had found with Prowl, only to find it deserted. {{storylink|Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|An Intimate Beheading}}

[[File:BeforeandAfter-TheWorseTheDeath.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|right|"Everyone calls me Chromedome, but my real name is MySpace -- wait, wait, no."]]
In the aftermath of the full-scale Decepticon rebellion, the new Prime, [[Zeta Prime|Zeta]], moved the Institute to a new, remote location, "rebranding" it as the 'New Institute'. Knowing of Tumbler's interest in neuroscience through Prowl, Zeta recruited the forensics officer as an apprentice cerebroscientist under [[Trepan]]. Working at the New Institute, he acquired the nickname "Chromedome" in reference to his prodigious skills as a mnemosurgeon and lobotomist, which he would eventually adopt as his regular name. When [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] located and attacked the facility, Chromedome was in the middle of a procedure on the Decepticon [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]], but was interrupted by a blast through his midsection. Luckily, the medic [[Pharma (G1)|Pharma]] was on hand to save the mnemosurgeon's life. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}}

Over time, after the war had begun proper, Chromedome came to resent his mnenosurgical abilities and became cynical over their use. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}} Many things he had to do during wartime were things that, in hindsight, he would regret. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}} Eventually, Chromedome was on the verge of suicide due to the immense burden of his abilities and the terrible side-effects they had on his own mental health. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}} It was then, at his lowest point, that he went to a repurposed Relinquishment Clinic to end it, but found [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]] searching fruitlessly for [[Dominus Ambus]]. {{storylink|Before & After}} He formed a deep friendship with the diminutive archivist. Chromedome credited Rewind's optimism and caring nature as having saved his life, and the two were nearly inseparable since. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}} Indeed, [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] has been known to claim them as being "closer than [[Rack'n'Ruin]]" {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|Hangers On}} and Rewind had named Chromedome as his [[Conjunx Endura]]. {{storylink|Before & After}}

[[File:Brainstorm Chromedome infodump.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.55|A little known earlier detonation of the [[Metafictional bomb|meta bomb]].]]
Chromedome was stationed at [[Kimia Facility]] when [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] and the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]s invaded. {{storylink|Chaos Part One: Lamentations|Lamentations}} He survived and managed to escape before the facility's destruction, leaving in an escape pod together with Brainstorm and a number of other Autobots. They were soon rescued by, as he put it, [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|a psychopath in pink armor]], and made a joke at Swerve's expense. {{storylink|Chaos Part Three: Kings|Kings}}

As Arcee told the survivors about [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] and [[D-Void]]'s master plan to bring the [[Dead Universe]] into the actual universe, Chromedome and [[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]] felt a bit overwhelmed by the massive "info dump" and wondered if other species ever had to worry about saving the universe. {{storylink|Chaos Part Four: Genesis|Genesis}}

[[File:Chromedome Prowl RemembranceDay.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right|One prick deserves another...or five.]]
Weeks later, after D-Void's threat had ended and Cybertron had been reborn, Prowl summoned Chromedome and revealed to him that Overlord, recently defeated and captured by the [[Wrecker]]s, had not in fact had his spark removed and imprisoned, as the official story had claimed. Instead, he had been rebuilt, as part of an initiative by Prowl to uncover the secret to the immense power and endurance of Overlord and the other [[Phase Sixer]]s. With interrogation and the gift of a new body ineffective in making the Decepticon prisoner talk, Chromedome's former partner now sought for him to interface with Overlord and find the secret in his memories, a complex procedure that would be highly dangerous to the mnemosurgeon. When Chromedome refused, not wanting to break his promise to Rewind to stop interfacing, Prowl attempted to blackmail him with an unsavoury secret from the mnemosurgeon's past. Desperate to avoid Rewind learning this story, Chromedome attacked Prowl and forcibly interfaced with him, erasing from his old friend's memory both the blackmail threat and the knowledge that let him make it. He subsequently left the office, telling Prowl, oblivious to his attack, that he'd consider the proposal to work on Overlord. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}}

Somewhere around that time, Chromedome and Rewind attended the Festival of Lost Light. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}}

===The ''Lost Light''===
[[File:Chromedome Prowl Liars.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"And another thing! You ''deserved'' that memory wi- aaah... I mean, what memory wipe?"]]

After Optimus Prime's subsequent appearance and departure from Cybertron, Chromedome chose to join the [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]]'s crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'', alongside Rewind. Prowl, angry with this decision, tried to persuade him to stay, noting that Chromedome was "gifted" and his talents were still required on Cybertron, with the plan regarding Overlord left unspoken due to Rewind's presence. Eventually, realizing he wouldn't get anywhere with the argument, Chromedome gave up and left with Rewind, leaving Prowl to fume alone in his office.

Not long afterwards, Chromedome, Rewind, and [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] were headed to the ''Lost Light'', with Chromedome verbally jabbing at Rewind's impractical [[Alternate mode|alt mode]] along the way. Suddenly, a fight between [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] crossed their paths, as well as [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]], who had just escaped being trapped underground for six million years. Chromedome helped Tailgate out of the ground, but the small Cybertronian fainted when he saw that his escape had accidentally injured Whirl. Chromedome and the rest decided to take both Whirl and Tailgate aboard ''Lost Light'' for repairs. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}}

After the ''Lost Light'' suffered a premature [[Quantum generator|quantum jump]] and ended up halfway across the galaxy, forty Autobots were sucked out of a hull breach and sent plummeting to the surface of a nearby planetoid. Once the ship had landed there, Chromedome, Rewind, and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] aided in the recovery of missing crew members, pulling the stowaway Cyclonus from a lake. Later, Chromedome and others came across [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], who had also crash-landed on the planet and was being pursued by some unknown [[Legislator|sword-carrying robots]]. After Chromedome removed the "fiddly" [[inhibitor claw]] attached to Skids, the long thought-dead Autobot sprung into action and defeated his one remaining pursuer, much to the amazement of the others. Later, Chromedome was present when Rodimus addressed the crew. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|Hangers On}}

[[File:Chromedome mnemosurgery ChaosOfWarmThings.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66|You know, sometime I'd just like games night NOT to end in me sticking my fingers in a corpse.]]
When a [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]] was thought to have been let loose aboard the ''Lost Light'', Rodimus asked Chromedome to use his abilities to help identify it. Despite Rewind's reservations, Chromedome complied, hacking into [[Shock (G1)|Shock]]'s mind to see the deceased Autobot's last memories. They did indeed tell of a violent attack by a Sparkeater, and Chromedome recoiled in pain and collapsed. After Chromedome recovered, he described the Sparkeater's appearance to the others. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}} After the Sparkeater business had been resolved, Chromedome and Rewind were present for the grand opening of [[Swerve's]]. {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}} A few days after, he enjoyed a drink with Rewind and a tipsy Skids in [[Swerve's|Swerve's new bar]]. {{storylink|Life After the Big Bang}} When the Lost Light was hit by [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s thumb (disconnected from its owner) Chromedome helped Brainstorm, Highbrow seal the hole while Trailbreaker used his forcefield to prevent them from being sucked out into the vacuum of space. He was presented with a [[Rodimus Star]] for his part in repairing the ship. Chromedome and Highbrow then discussed Rodimus Stars with Tailgate, who noted their shared "head-themed" nicknames. Later, he was paralyzed along with (nearly) everyone else on board of the ship when Brainstorm accidentally activated one of his experimental weapons. He eventually recovered, and was awarded another Rodimus Star "for exceptional endurance in the face of adversity." {{storylink|The Reluctant Specialist}} Curious about Skids's ever-present handgun (and the mental block which seemingly kept Skids from remembering it), Chromedome swiped the gun at the bar and turned it over to Brainstorm for analysis. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}}

Days later, over another round of drinks, Chromedome demonstrated his talent of being able to identify someone by the sound of their transformation alone. He offered some sympathy to Tailgate over the latter's studying under Ultra Magnus and displayed disgust when Tailgate mentioned trying to invite Cyclonus over to the table. However, the casual atmosphere came to a violent end when a mentally-disturbed Fortress Maximus entered the bar and abruptly shot [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] at pointblank range. {{storylink|Interiors}}

Chromedome later checked in with Brainstorm to find out what was up with Skids' gun. Brainstorm managed to blow the thing up while examining it, but also named it a "binary gun" after recognizing it could only hold two cartridges. He also noted that its engineering seemed to indicate that the gun came from the Institute. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}}

[[File:Chromedome mnemosurgery MTMTEAnnual2012.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Existential angst!]]
Chromedome suffered a brief bout of false recall, where he re-experienced the memory of [[Skyfall (G1)|Skyfall]]'s death- one of the unpleasant side-effects of his mnemosurgeries. He attended Tailgate's Autobot initiation ceremony, and he, Rewind, and Brainstorm placed bets with [[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]] as to how long it would take for Rodimus to say "[['Til all are one]]" in his speech. After representatives of the [[Galactic Council]] showed up, Chromedome was among the Autobots teleported to the surface of [[Theophany]] to explore the ruins of [[Crystal City]], which had been subject to some unknown siege and left desolate. They discovered an inert [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]] under the city, and Rodimus ordered Chromedome to hack into the giant's [[brain module]] and read its memories, hoping to discover what happened to Crystal City. While preparing to do so, Chromedome and Skids had a brief chat about their similar outlooks on life and its larger meaning. With a disapproving Rewind looking on, Chromedome hacked into the Titan's memory, and discovered it was still alive. Chromedome collapsed in pain, images torn from the Titan's brain reverberating through his mind, as the giant woke with a start and fired an eye-blast that struck the Galactic Council's ship in orbit. Once recovered, Chromedome explained that the Titan was attempting to will its [[spark]] to leave its body, having barely any power left and being totally paralyzed. Chromedome wanted to attempt to re-enter the Titan's mind, as the glimpses he caught indicated that its memories contained much of the information that they were seeking. With the Galactic Council's troops bearing down on them and the ''Lost Light'' under attack, Rodimus chose to set the Titan free instead of pillaging its mind. After some of its mass was shrunk by Brainstorm, the Titan had enough power to teleport the Autobots back to their ship, and the ''Lost Light'' quantum-jumped to safety. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}}

Days later Skids, inspired by his discussion with Chromedome in Crystal City, wanted to let the mnemosurgeon unlock his missing memories. Chromedome admitted that he himself was curious about the mystery of Skids' past and agreed to do it. After hacking into Skids' mind, Chromedome discovered the memories of the year prior to Skids' joining the crew of the ''Lost Light'' had been replaced by an imperative to escape. Chromedome dug deeper and found the erased memories still locked inside Skids' head, but once he caught a glimpse of them, he quickly withdrew. Chromedome told Skids that the buried memories were so horrifying and traumatic that it was better for everyone, Skids himself included, that they never resurface. Skids reluctantly agreed, but asked Chromedome about a piece of music he kept hearing in his head. Chromedome admitted that he heard it in there too, identified it as "[[The Empyrean Suite]]", and prayed that Skids would never come to understand its significance. {{storylink|Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|Who's Afraid of the DJD?}}

In order to restore the recovering [[Rung (G1)|Rung]]'s mind, Chromedome and others were assembled by Rewind to tell a story from the Clampdown era. Chromedome explained to the others that the story would help reestablish critical neural connections in Rung's brain. He started off the story, but he and Rewind got briefly distracted trying to figure out how many times Prowl had flipped a table over in their presence. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc}} By the end of the story, the ship's alarms were sounding, and Chromedome scrambled for battle stations with the others. {{storylink|Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|An Intimate Beheading}}

[[File:BeforeandAfter-SilentTreatment.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right|Not "''like'' an old married couple," they literally ''are'' an old married couple.]]

As they headed to [[Temptoria]] in the ''[[Leading Light]]'', Chromedome and Rewind argued over the latter's insistence of joining them in battle, despite being technically exempt from combat. Though Chromedome enthusiastically took part in the battle on Temptoria against a small force of Decepticons, when he returned to the shuttle, he found that Rewind had been gravely injured in an explosion. Back on the ''Lost Light'', [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] talked Chromedome into performing a jumpstart on Rewind to save the smaller 'Bot's spark. While waiting to hear if the procedure had worked or not, Chromedome got to chatting with Tailgate about how he and Rewind had met, of Rewind’s lost “master”, (a progressive ‘Bot by the name of [[Dominus Ambus]]). Rewind had never stopped looking for the missing Ambus and even made Chromedome promise to continue the search if anything ever happened to him.

The jumpstart procedure failed, as Chromedome's own spark was "low yield". Sent to his quarters to recharge, an emotionally vulnerable Chromedome spoke to Brainstorm through his door. Brainstorm offered to show him something in the basement that would give the Autobots an advantage and prevent any more tragedies like Rewind's from ever happening again. Before Chromedome could answer, however, First Aid contacted him with the news that Whirl had a compatible spark to be used to save Rewind. A happy reunion ensued. {{storylink|Before & After}}

Despite this, Chromedome met with Brainstorm and Drift and learned the secret of Overlord's presence on the ''Lost Light''. Despite his previous refusal to Prowl, the fresh memory of Rewind's near-death was enough for Chromedome to agree to use his talents on the Decepticon, in the hope that "Autobot Phase Sixers" could prevent any such tragedies from happening again. Over the next several days, Chromedome visited Overlord in the [[slow cell]] multiple times, acclimating himself to the Decepticon's mental architecture. As a safeguard in the event of Overlord's escape, he subtly altered the Decepticon's memories so as to make him associate the phrase "'til all are one!" with defeat in combat, knowing that Rodimus would undoubtedly say this in a battle. {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}} In-between visits to Overlord, Chromedome took time to be interviewed for Rewind's documentary about life on the ''Lost Light''. {{storylink|Little Victories}}

[[File:RemembranceDay-Chromedome.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|left|This is something Rung would also call "a super bad idea."]]
Feeling bold, Chromedome began visiting Overlord's cell without informing his co-conspirators in advance, and confronted Overlord directly in his memories. He compelled Overlord to lead him through his memories to the [[Foundry]], when [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]], [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]], and [[Rossum]] used [[ununtrium]] to reinforce his endoskeleton and transform him into one of the [[Warriors Elite]]. Although Chromedome found his answers, he was taken unawares by Overlord also having mnemosurgical training, allowing the Decepticon to loop them through a shared memory and take control of the mental environment. With Chromedome helpless, Overlord browsed through the Autobot's memories at will until he found the security codes to unlock the slow cell. With this, Overlord escaped, taunting a weakened Chromedome with the knowledge that the five seconds it would take him to cross the cell in pursuit would equal thirty minutes of killin' time for Overlord aboard the ship. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}}

Sure enough, Chromedome exited the slow cell into chaos, as the crew of the ''Lost Light'' battled vainly against the superwarrior. Luckily, a true-to-form Rodimus uttered his catch phrase, causing a sudden nervous attack in Overlord which gave Fortress Maximus an opening to overpower the Decepticon. Per Drift's back-up plan, Overlord was forced back into the slow cell, which was readied to eject into space. Tragically, one of Drift's [[sword]]s, stolen during the battle, blocked the cell door open, and heroically Rewind climbed inside the cell to remove the blade. Once he did, the door closed automatically, severing Chromedome's left arm and trapping Rewind inside with Overlord. Desperately speaking some final words to his partner (which Rewind could not hear through the door), Chromedome watched helplessly as the cell was jettisoned. Unwilling to leave Rewind to Overlord's tender mercies, Chromedome personally manned the weapons array of the ''Lost Light'' and blew the slow cell to pieces, apparently killing Rewind in the process. {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}}

[[File:TheGloaming-iloveyou.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right|I love you too, guys!]]
As Rewind and the other victims were laid to rest, Chromedome seemed to hold together remarkably. Only Brainstorm knew what was really going on in his friend's head, and confronted Chromedome in his suite after the funeral. Brainstorm tried to remind Domey of his other Conjunx Endura over the years -- [[Mach (Victory)|Mach]], [[Pivot]], [[Scattergun]]—each of whom Chromedome forcibly removed from his own memories using mnemosurgery once they died, as he couldn't cope with the loss. Brainstorm pleaded with Chromedome not to do it again, and honor Rewind by remembering him. He passed on a final message from Rewind, a memory stick the little bot threw through the cell door as it was closing. These final words and expression of love from Rewind were enough to stop Chromedome from injecting and convince him to hold onto the memory of his lost love. {{storylink|The Gloaming}}

[[File:RemainInLight2-ChromedomeAltMode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|left]]
Shortly afterwards, Chromedome visited Ratchet in the medibay for reconstruction of his left arm. As he entered, a [[cybercrosis|panicked]] Tailgate barged past him. Before work on the arm was complete, the ''Lost Light'', pursuing the missing Ultra Magnus, arrived at a vast portal in space, and Chromedome watched from the observation deck. Beyond the portal was the long lost [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], and the mnemosurgeon was recruited by Rodimus for the landing party. The group descended, though not before Chromedome promised Skids to search for answers regarding his amnesia, and on the moon's surface they found an active hot spot of gestating [[spark]]s. Before long, however, the party was set upon by [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]] and his cadre of [[Titan Hunter]]s, {{storylink|Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|The Fecund Moon}} forcing them to flee into a nearby [[Titan (body-type)|Titan]] "graveyard". Their flight was futile, and the entire group was soon captured, whereupon their gracious host was revealed as [[Tyrest (G1)|Tyrest]], who accused them of crimes against creation. On the way to their cell, Chromedome noticed an apparently immobile Ultra Magnus. The landing party quickly got to chatting with their new cellmate, who revealed himself to be [[Minimus Ambus]], spark brother of Rewind's lost friend [[Dominus Ambus]]. Even though they were all locked up at the behest of Tyrest, Chromedome didn't share Tailgate's impatience to escape their shared prison cell. He quickly chastised the [[Mini Vehicle|Minibot]] for calling him "Domey", the personal nickname that Rewind once used. The group stewed in their prison for some time until an observant Rung deduced something from Minimus's mannerisms—that their cellmate was none other than Ultra Magnus! {{storylink|Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|House of Ambus}}

Chromedome listened intently to Minimus's explanation with the others, learning the secret of the [[Magnus Armor]]. When Skids and Swerve were teleported into their holding cell and Skids was revealed by Minimus to be considered a criminal, Chromedome assumed it had something to do with the "binary gun" the theoretician had been carrying. When Tyrest's enforcer [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] introduced them to another new cellmate, Chromedome revealed to Skids that he had read his memories wrong. What he had thought was a buried imperative in Skids's mind to "escape", was actually a name- the name of their new cellmate, [[Getaway]]! {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}}

[[File:ArmTheLonely-Chromedome.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Sometimes we like to throw a bone to the artists out there looking for a rear-view reference shot.]]
Getaway explained things to Chromedome and the others, formally identifying the binary gun as a [[nudge gun]]. With Getaway's help, Chromedome was able to connect the dots and understand the gaps in Skids's memory. Once everyone found out that Tyrest had gone mad and needed to be stopped, Getaway asked for donated parts from his cellmates to escape their prison. For his part, Chromedome gave Getaway the syringes from his fingers, allowing the escapist to take down the Legislator guarding them. The group armed-up and headed to Tyrest's control room for a confrontation. Unfortunately, the Chief Justice was prepared for them, activating a weapon that paralyzed the Autobots. Tyrest then turned on his [[universal killswitch]], a device intended to kill any Transformers that were [[Reproduction|constructed cold]]. Having been so, Chromedome began dying slowly and painfully. {{storylink|Remain in Light 4 of 5: Arm the Lonely|Arm the Lonely}} Ultimately, the killswitch was deactivated and Tyrest's plans foiled. In the aftermath, Chromedome visited a dying Tailgate, whose [[cybercrosis]] was in its final stages. Noting Cyclonus's bedside vigil, Chromedome respectfully departed to let the two say their goodbyes. {{storylink|Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|This Calamitous Life}}

After Orion Pax arrived aboard the ''Lost Light'', Chromedome attended the welcome party at Swerve's. {{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}} He took part in the underwater battle on [[Hydrophena]], defending [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] against the [[Ammonite]] forces, {{storylink|Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|Into the Abyss}} {{storylink|The Dead Are Not Enough: Dark Cybertron Chapter 7|The Dead Are Not Enough}} and was teleported along with the rest ''Lost Light'' to Cybertron after they managed to get the Titan's space bridge in working order. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} Crash-landing on the planet's surface, Chromedome disembarked with the rest of the crew and fought in the massive battle against their Ammonite attackers and the undead [[Necrotitan]]. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}}

[[File:TheBecoming-throw.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.6|Prowl just can't BELIEVE someone would throw him off a cliff just for laughing at a widower.]]
In the aftermath of the Necrotitan's defeat, Ultra Magnus tried to convince Chromedome to read Metroplex's mind, a request the mnemosurgeon rebuffed. Feeling depressed, he went to ruminate atop a cliff on the outskirts of New Iacon, where Prowl found him. A bitter argument erupted between the two, with Prowl blaming Chromedome's earlier mnemosurgery on him for leaving his mind vulnerable to [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]]'s control, and Chromedome faulting Prowl for smuggling Overlord aboard the ''Lost Light''. Rage overcame Chromedome when Prowl expressed pleasure that this had indirectly led to Rewind's death, and he attacked the police-bot, hurling him off a cliff and pummeling him until Ultra Magnus intervened. {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} However, the altercation was cut short by 70 billion more of Shockwave's Ammonites, who Chromedome engaged on the ground alongside Whirl and Arcee. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

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===Second Launch===
When the crisis had passed had Megatron had seemingly surrendered and defected to the Decepticons Optimus Prime attempted to have Chromedome extract Megatron's memories for use in court. The former Decepticon leader vehemently refused to allow this, citing his fear that the extraction might be used as a cover for [[Shadowplay]]. Megatron was able to finagle his way out of a verdict and subsequently joined the ''Lost Light'' as its new captain. Chromedome opted to rejoin the expedition but soon fell into a deep depression, shutting himself away in his habitation suite and listening to Rewind's final message over and over in the dark, much to the concern of his friends. Chromedome was startled into action, however, when the last words of his lover's message suddenly changed into an agonized scream. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}}

Deeply perturbed, he sought out [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] for some answers, and while initially angered by the detective's skeptcism, the appearance of Rewind's apparent ghost galvanized Nightbeat into action. The two returned to Nightbeat's quarters to gather more detective equipment, where Chromedome voiced his belief that he was probably being punished for not continuing to search for Dominus Ambus. Their converstion was interrupted when the pair discovered that the outside wall of Nightbeat's hab suite had disappeared. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} A few minutes later, Rodimus summoned Chromedome and Nightbeat to examine what appeared to be his own corpse, ignoring Chromedome's concerns about injecting into a cadaver. All Chromedome was able to find were Rodimus's "red letter" days, which, combined with the matching energon, caused something of an existential crisis in Rodimus. Then the wall behind everyone vanished.

When it became clear that the ship was slowly and inexplicably vanishing, Chromedome evacuated on the [[Rodpod]].{{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} When the crewmembers began disappearing as well, Chromedome was one of the afflicted. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}} Those Autobots who were unaffected by the disappearances discovered that the quantum engine failure of the ''Lost Light'' had created a second, on-course, ''Lost Light'', which had been attacked and destroyed by the [[Decepticon Justice Division|DJD]] some eighteen months prior.

The "other" Chromedome had been tormented by the Decepticons during their attack, offered to be spared if he wiped his memories of Rewind. Chromedome refused, so DJD member [[Vos (DJD)|the DJD member Vos]] had snapped off his mnemosurgical needles and stabbed him to death. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}} After coming across the wreckage of the ship, the [[Censere|Necrobot]], unaware of the quantum accident, added "Chromedome's" name to his list of deceased Transformers. {{storylink|Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|Who's Afraid of the DJD?}}

[[File:TheRoadNotTaken-ChromedomeRewind.jpg|upright=1.6|thumb|*fart*]]

Once Rewind — the sole surviving member of the duplicate ''Lost Light'' and the cause of Chromedome's strange visions — had reset the ailing quantum engines, the paradox was resolved and the main ''Lost Light'' and its crew members rematerialized, Chromedome among them. Skids gave him a pair of [[magna-clamp]]s and told him to go to the outside of the ship. The two lovers sat side-by-side for a while before embracing. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}} Upon their return to the ''Lost Light'', Rewind opted to live in his own, separate hab suite, which upset Chromedome. Rewind explained that the two weren't technically each other's actual spouse and that he felt more comfortable starting out again with Chromedome with some degree of separation. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}}

This peace was to be short-lived: during a celebration at Swerve's to commemorate their recent adventure, Brainstorm was seemingly revealed to be a Deceticon double-agent, poisoning the crew of the ship and escaping across time and space by using the time machine in his [[Time case|briefcase]]. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}} The first hint that something had gone wrong came when Rewind awoke from a bad dream about the "[[Dark Dawn]]," a genocidal event that had never happened in their timeline. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}}

Believing that he had travelled back in time to kill Orion Pax and preemptively end the war, a group of Autobots who shared the same spark-type with Brainstorm were assembled to pursue him, using a quantum duplicate of Brainstorm's briefcase. In the event that the team would inadvertently reveal the future to inhabitants of the past, Chromedome was temporarily augmented with the ability to erase anyone's memory with a simple handshake. The time traveling team first landed in [[1st Cycle 502]], four million years ago, where they helped Orion Pax and his team of renegade [[Outlier]]s protect a [[hot spot]] from [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]'s [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]]. After needing to follow Brainstorm again through another time jump, Chromedome shook hands with everyone, accidentally causing Optimus Prime and the others to forget [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]]'s fate and—to Rodimus's horror—fail to permanently warn Trailbreaker about his death in four million years. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays|All Our Parlous Yesterdays}}

The team's next stop was in [[51st Cycle 500]], where Chromedome confronted the new problem of potentially bumping into himself. Brainstorm timejumped again (to [[4th Cycle 499]]) and the team followed, and this time Chromedome and Rewind staked out the [[Rodion]] police headquarters with Whirl. As they waited, Rewind troubled Chromedome with the suggestion of possibly using time travel to save Rewind's previous spouse, Dominus Ambus. Their discussion of timetravel ethics was interrupted when three Senate thugs arrived at Police HQ, setting off Whirl on a rampage due to his shared history with them. Chromedome and Rewind managed to stop Whirl, but not before they accidentally caused the chain of events that would later lead to Senator Shockwave's capture. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet|Stet}}

It became increasingly clear that, rather than killing Megatron, Brainstorm had instead been trying to manipulate events in such a way as to prevent the rise of Megatron, and with his plans going increasingly awry, a desperate Brainstorm time-jumped to the moment of Megatron's creation, pointing a gun at the half-built 'bot who would one day become Megatron. Though the Autobots were able to talk him down, Rewind, who had had his databanks overwritten with information about [[Functionist Universe|the series of events that would come to pass if Megatron was never born]], decided to shoot Megatron himself, seemingly dooming Cybertron to a genocidal [[Functionism|functionist]] regime in exchange for sparing the rest of the galaxy from the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]].

However, the group did not end up changing history, as the nature of time travel meant that Rewind was always fated to kill Megatron; after replacing Megatron's original spark with a [[Point One Percenter]] spark from the future, the team tied up loose ends and returned to their own time. Chromedome reaching out to Rewind in his vulnerable moment had caused the two to bridge the rift that had been between them, and the pair began to share a hab suite once again. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}} Sometime after returning, Chromedome spoke to the ship's higher ups, arguing that Rewind's actions were down to trauma; as a result of which no action was charged against him. During Brainstorm's trial, Chromedome served as Brainstorm's defense, when he was the first 'bot to be brought before the [[Lost Light Internal Affairs Committee]]. {{storylink|Our Steps Will Always Rhyme}}

[[File:TheOneWhereTheyGoToEarth-table.jpg|left|thumb|180px|Ultra Magnus was shunned after admitting his favourite season was the fourth.]]

In the aftermath of the ''Lost Light'' attending Thunderclash's pre-wake, the ship held a dance-off, where Chromedome and Rewind attended, dancing together. {{storylink|The Frail Gaze}} Shortly after, it turned out Swerve had been slowly dying for some time, and to aid their shipmate the ''Lost Light'' crew used their [[holomatter]] avatars to navigate "[[Swearth]]" in the hopes of finding him. A subsequent medical examination revealed that Swerve had nearly succumbed to an old bullet wound inflicted by the mysterious [[Dominus Ambus|Agent 113]] as part of his unorthodox method of relaying information. {{storylink|The One Where They Go to Earth}} Among the information encoded within the bullet was data regarding the legendary "[[Censere|Necrobot]]" and his supposed base of operations. Chromedome was present as Rewind informed Rodimus about the mysterious being, and spoke up in favor of investigating the [[Necroworld|planet]] where the Necrobot lived, hoping to help his conjunx find out more about the fate of Dominus Ambus. After arriving on the Necroworld, the group learned how the Necrobot kept track of Cybertronians through holographic statues; Chromedome deduced that there was a central database all the statues were connected to, meaning that it was possible to learn who was alive or dead through who had a statue switched on. Rewind was understandably terrified and asked Chromedome for guidance; Chromedome felt that it wasn't for him to choose, so when Rewind chose to search, it turned out that Dominus had been listed as "deactivated."

Later, Chromedome tried to comfort a devastated Rewind by offering to "smudge" his memories of what happened, only for Nightbeat to show up wanting to show them something. It was a list of the "[[Disappeared]]:" 'bots who had been unaccounted for, and Dominus's name was at the bottom of the list. {{storylink|The Not Knowing}}

A few days later, Chromedome and Rewind were at Swerve's together, their hand-holding witnessed by a passing Cyclonus. {{storylink|The Lopsided Triangle}} Shortly thereafter, Cyclonus and Tailgate were involved in an altercation. Wondering what had just happened, Rodimus had Chromedome inject into Cyclonus. The injection took a heavy strain on Chromedome. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}} A few hours later, the serial killer Sunder went on a rampage through the ''Lost Light'', his first victim being Skids. Chromedome soon turned up, and realized Skids was remembering the events at Grindcore that had caused the amnesia Chromedome had examined the year before. He injected to try and make sure Skids didn't remember what had happened while Rung and Tailgate went after Sunder. {{storylink|Speak, Memory! (Part 2)}}

Chromedome attended the ''Lost Light''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s movie night where Rewind was showing a documentary about the beginning of the war. As the documentary reached the section on Megatron's killing of Sentinel Prime, Brainstorm commented that the former Autobot leader had a lot in common with his killer, prompting Chromedome to point out the irony of someone so obsessed with the purity of the Autobot "brand" being similar to the leader of the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Last Autobot}}

Around December of that year, Chromedome was one of many crewmembers who took advantage of "time fissures" present in Swerve's to look back on the past, including "his" Rewind, something Rung warned him against. Afterward he took part in a toast to "surprises". {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}}

Some months later, Chromedome was one of several members of the crew who took part in a fight on [[Miliarium]] against marauding [[Rust Giant]]s. On returning to the ''Lost Light'', Rewind was subjected to a powerful psychic attack of unknown origin. When Rodimus assembled a team to investigate, Rewind and Chromedome were part of the away team — made up of others who had experienced the attack — dispatched to track the signal to its source. The search led them to a strange hollow planet, which turned out to be the Necroworld; they didn't get far before they were attacked by a massive Decepticon armada, forcing them to retreat to the Necrobot's fortress before they were shot down. Discovering that the Necrobot himself perished, the group learned that disgraced escapologist [[Getaway]] had led the rest of the ''Lost Light'' in a mutiny designed to lure Rodimus, Megatron, and his sympathisers off the ship... and leave them to the tender mercies of the [[Decepticon Justice Division]]. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

The D.J.D. stuck to their script, and, after a brief attack on the fortress, retreated to give their victims eight hours to weigh up their limited options and stew in their fear. Nightbeat found a potential way offworld by using one of the late Necrobot's teleport chambers, but Velocity discovered a basement filled with pods that seemingly contained organic lifeforms. Unwilling to let the organics be massacred by the DJD, nobody opted to leave. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 2: The Sun in Flight|The Sun in Flight}} As the team dug in for a fight, Chromedome and Rewind had an argument, each belieing that the other should have used the teleport chamber to escape. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}} When Ratchet and Drift arrived on the planet, they managed to capture the mysterious "[[Dominus Ambus|Pet]]" that accompanied the DJD. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} Despite still being weak from injecting Tailgate some months before, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}} Chromedome volunteered to operate on the creature in the hopes of learning where the DJD had hidden their starship. An hour later, after recording his last will and testament, he prepared to inject. Despite Rodimus's orders to just do a quick probe of recent memories, Chromedome began feeling off, and, ignoring Ratchet's demand to stop, he went deeper.

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Much to his horror, Chromdome found that The Pet was not a simple animal, but a [[beast mode]] Cybertronian who had been "[[Domestication|domesticated]]" by the DJD; even as Ratchet shouted that the procedure was killing him, he felt confident that he could reverse the process. Ignoring the protests, Chromedome delved deeper and made a terrifying discovery: The Pet was Dominus Ambus, who had once been the infamous "Agent 113" Even as Ratchet and Rewind yelled at him to stop, he kept going, feeling (and saying) that Rewind couldn't have room for both the people he loved in his life. Unable to watch Chromedome kill himself, Rewind made the choice to abort the procedure by slicing off his arm, leaving Dominus to die.

Some hours later, with D.J.D.-related death imminent, a repaired Chromedome morosely agreed with Velocity's encasement of the day's proceedings as "torture". {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} Then Velocity hit on an idea to give them an edge in the upcoming execution: since extreme trauma to Tailgate had made his quantum-engine radiated spark surge and briefly power up others, doing that now could give them an edge against the enemy. Skids stepped forward and Chromedome, to his dismay, had to help his friend relieve the horrors of Grindcore and all the blotted-out guilt, his last injection being to drive him over the edge.

[[File:mtmte54 KRACK.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Fun? FUN?! How DARE you! How many have to die for you to get your sick jollies?! HOW MANY?]]

In the ensuing battle, a supercharged Chromedome was sought out by Overlord, who mocked the mnemosurgeon for letting the first Rewind die... prompting an enraged Chromedome to punch him across the battlefield. All too soon, however, the charge burned out and Chromedome and the others were surrounded on all sides. Only the arrival of Megatron, armed with a new fusion cannon, allowed them to fall back to the fortress. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 5: Rage, Rage|Rage, Rage}} During all of the carnage and high drama of Megatron's obliteraton of the D.J.D., Chromedome stayed at the back, silently looking at Skids' dead body. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}
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===After Dominus===

Once the dust had settled from the battle against the D.J.D., Chromedome was part of the team Rodimus assembled to return to Cybertron for help using the reassembled teleporter. While the teleporter did bring them to ''a'' Cybertron, it had somehow deposited them on the Cybertron of the [[Functionist Universe]]. Almost immediately after arriving, he and the rest of the team were placed under arrest by [[Twelve-of-Twelve]] and his [[Functionary|Functionaries]]. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|Some Other Cybertron}} As they were paraded through a crowd to shame them on their way to imprisonment, Rewind pointed out to Chromedome that Cybertron had no moon, proving that this was the Functionist Universe. After a grenade thrown by a member of the [[Anti-Vocationist League]] took out two of the group's Functionary escorts, Chromedome was freed from his restraints and joined in the battle. As Twelve-of-Twelve attacked Rodimus, Chromedome lassoed a chain around his neck and pulled him in, though the councilor managed to teleport away before he could do anything else. Soon after the fight was over, [[Six-of-Twelve]] began broadcasting across Cybertron, Chromedome seeming somewhat in disbelief that the councilor's head resembled [[Matrix of Leadership|The Matrix]]. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 2: Anomie|Anomie}} When the League teleported Team Rodimus to [[Kalis|Adaptica]], Chromedome attended the meeting with estranged councillor member [[Nine-of-Twelve]]. When the alternate [[Anode]] arrived, Chromedome denied any involvement with the mysterious U.F.O. just outside Cybertronian orbit. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced|A World Misplaced}}

When the U.F.O. was revealed to be [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]], Chromedome joined the others on the balcony in staring at it before it unleashed it tractor beams. While Megatron handled the defense of the city, Chromedome joined Rodimus in heading to rescue the alternate [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] and [[Vector Sigma]] from the Functionists. When the group arrived outside Vector Sigma's chamber however they found the Council had already gained access to the supercomputer but that they had ''not'' used Rung to access the chamber. When Rodimus bravely tackled [[Six-of-Twelve]], Chromedome <s>pointed out the colossal error in judgement</s> warned that his brave leader would now have to fight eleven councillors as they entered the chamber. Like all, Chromedome was horrified to see, {{storylink|Dissolution Part 4: Bad Moon Rising|Bad Moon Rising}} Six-of-Twelve using the false Matrix to suspend Rodimus in an agony beam. Ratchet came to their rescue by pretending to hold the alternate Rung hostage. After they teleported back to the surface and took over the [[Cog (base)|Cog]], Rung displayed his ability to create [[Photonic crystal|photonic crystals]] and explained why the Council hadn't slain him prompting Chromedome to ask why the Council hadn't gone public with the photonic crystals for a year and pointed out that Vector Sigma was sealed off by [[Ununtrium|ununtrium]] but Rung explained how the Council had turned everything to their own advantage. After Rung revealed that the Functionists were building an army to exterminate all non-Cybertronian life in the galaxy, Rewind leaned on Chromedome as he despaired over the hatred the Cybertronians had for aliens. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}} After the Cog had crashed in Adaptica and Brainstorm and Roller had worked out how to save everyone, Chromedome held hands with Rewind at the first (non-functional) matter transpoter before they ran to a second (functional) one where the group teleported to Luna 2 and teleported the moon to Necroworld. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|This Machine Kills Fascists}} When Rodimus announced his [[Skip|incredibly morbid plan]] to escape Necroworld, Chromedome and Rewind held hands. {{storylink|After Megatron (A Dissolution Epilogue)|After Megatron}}

Aboard the cramped spacecraft, Chromedome and Rewind climbed aboard the sleeping Roller's alternate mode to "canoodle" much to the ex-cop's shock when he awoke. The three went to Rodimus about this issue who simply could not bring himself to even pretend to care before he ushered everyone out when a call came in from [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Fortress Maximus]]. Concurrently, the increasingly petty and ridiculous prank war between [[Anode]] and [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] reached its climax with Rewind accidentally being raked by [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]]'s [[Great Sword]]. Chromedome immediately turned on Cyclonus before [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] broke up the fighting. To top it all off, an increasingly intangible Ratchet was sinking through the floor, Skip was shrinking and [[Ten]] declared that the fate of the universe hinged upon everyone following his commands. {{storylink|Sardines}}
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==INSIRT continuity==
[[File:Timeless-EjectChromedomeStylor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2]]
Long ago on Cybertron, Chromedome served in the [[Autobot Police]] and harbored an interest in the field of mnemosurgery. Over time, he was able to use his highly decorated partner Prowl's status to pursue this interest, developing the ability to extract information directly from a suspect's mind. However, as time passed, Chromedome found himself called upon not only to read minds, but rewrite them, altering a subject's memories and personality. Seeking to escape the burden of these duties, he buried his past and his talents. Eventually, though, he would come to meet Rewind, another Autobot with an interest in memories. Though it took some time, Chromedome eventually let the smaller Autobot into his life. {{storylink|Chromedome (G1)#Timelines|''Timelines'' Chromedome bio card}}

Some time later, Chromedome and Rewind would become crewmembers of the ''Lost Light'', and, along with [[Stylor]] and ex-Decepticon mercenary [[Treadshot (G1)|Treadshot]], formed the [[INSIRT|Intelligence and Notable Surreptitious Information Recovery Team]], a group tasked with uncovering any mysteries that might threaten the ship's quest to find the Knights of Cybertron. {{storylink|INSIRT|INSIRT Tech Spec}} INSIRT's duties took them to the [[Vestigial Cortical Complex]], a Decepticon memory storage facility that Rewind became very excited about. After they located the facility, an impatient Treadshot made a door by way of explosion, allowing Chromedome, Rewind and Stylor to file inside. {{storylink|Timeless}}

At some point Rewind died, and [[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity#Recordicons|Brainstorm]] set Chromedome up on a date with [[Eject (G1)#Recordicons|Eject]]. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #27|Recordicons #27}}
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==Notes==
*The fact that Chromedome originally used to go by a different name was first brought up in [[Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|issue #9]] of ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'': In that issue, his name was written in quotation marks in Rewind's diagram, and when Chromedome himself was about to mention his original name, Rewind cut him off, arguing that it would make the story they were telling too "confusing". The out-of-universe reason for this was that writer [[James Roberts]] wanted to trick readers into believing that his unmentioned original name held some significance, causing rampant speculation. In [[Remembrance Day|issue #14]] of the same series, it was finally revealed that his original name was the completely insignificant "Tumbler"; the real revelation was that his ''current'' name, "Chromedome", was the one that had a deeper meaning, as it was originally a nickname given to him at the "[[Institute|New Instutute]]" where he used to work under [[Zeta Prime]], a rather surprising twist in the light of the events of the "Shadowplay" three-parter.
* "Timeless" co-writer [[Jesse Wittenrich]] would [http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/99399-post-pictures-of-your-special-arm/page-1044#entry3318823 later reveal] his intention that the Rewind depicted in "Timeless" was being projected into Chromedome's mind by Stylor, and that the actual Rewind was deceased. Vestigial remnants of this plot point remain in the published comic, in the form of Stylor's constant physical contact with Chromedome, and Treadshot never acknowledging Rewind. Whether this holds true in the completed comic or is merely [[authorial intent]] is an exercise left to the reader.
*[[James Roberts]] has said that IDW Prowl and Chromedome had a "stronger bond" than just being partners.<ref>[http://theunderbase.libsyn.com/the-underbase-deconstructs-shadowplay "The Underbase Podcast Deconstructs Shadowplay"], 17:17 - 14:58</ref>
*An erroneously-coordinated appearance by Chromedome in [[The Gloaming|''More than Meets the Eye'' #16]] was recolored by [[Josh Burcham]] into "[[Toxin]]", a character created for [[Unofficial conventions|TFCon 2011]].
* Chromedome's present day alt mode looks suspiciously like a light runner from the ''{{w|Borderlands (series)|Borderlands}}'' franchise.

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[[File:mtmte 50 chromedome's last wishes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|What it's like being IDW Chromedome.]]
An ex-copper and quiet academic with burning passions, '''Chromedome''' falls easily in love and even more easily into really bad ideas and self destructive habits. But he can totally quit [[Mnemosurgery|mnemosurgery]] any time, guys! He just has a ''reason'' why this one time, it's okay.

He's [[Conjunx Endura]] with [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]]. Deep down, Chromedome's sure Rewind would leave him for [[Dominus Ambus|his previous partner]].

:*''First Appearance:'' [[Chaos Part One: Lamentations|Transformers vol. 1 #24]]

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==IDW Generation 1 continuity==
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===A scientist before the war===
[[File:MTMTE9 early Chromedome.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.1|In addition to neuroscience, his other interests include funny cat GIFs and ''[[Sherlock Holmes|Sherlock]]'' slashfic.]]
'''Tumbler of Iacon''' was [[Reproduction|constructed cold]] long before he adopted the name "Chromedome". {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} {{storylink|Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|The Fecund Moon}} {{storylink|The Not Knowing}}

Before the [[Great War (G1)|war]], during the days of the [[Clampdown (event)|Clampdown]], Tumbler was a mechaforensic scientist in the police force. The poor bugger was nicknamed "Unlucky" because he had to work with [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]], the most anal, full-autopsy loving officer of all time. Despite Prowl's Prowlness, the two had an ambiguous, more-than-partners relationship. Tumbler had a strong interest in [[mnemosurgery]], the science of hacking into Transformer minds and "reading" their memories, and was fascinated by the conspiracy theories of the [[Institute]], a supposed secret group used by the authorities to brainwash dissidents.

Tumbler and Prowl investigated the assassination of [[Sherma|Senator Sherma]], whose corpse had been marked with a Decepticon insignia, and backtracked his whereabouts to the posh [[Translucentica Heights]]. Unfortunately, the killer had struck again before they arrived, murdering a second senator! {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc}} Tumbler attempted to chase down a suspect, who perished in a fiery crash. Investigating the second victim's home, the two police 'bots learned from the warden [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] that the senator, [[Momus]] was secretly a Decepticon. The group were suddenly set upon a second attacker, but were saved by the timely arrival of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Orion Pax]], a fellow law enforcement officer. Pax had learned from his senator friend, [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] that Sherma was also a secret Decepticon sympathizer, making it clear that the murders being committed ''against'' Decepticons, rather than ''by'' them.

[[File:Chromedome notices hands Patternism.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Pax was able to identify that the killers had been using borrowed bodies, so Prowl and Tumbler set out to investigate the nearest [[Relinquishment Clinic]], passing a Decepticon protest along the way. Although innocuous at first glance, the pair eventually found a secret facility beneath the clinic Tumbler believed to be the Institute. Along with proof that the killers had indeed been using borrowed bodies, Tumbler also discovered a list of citizens organized by threat level. Meeting back up in [[Rodion]], Orion Pax was able to use the list and other evidence he'd gathered to realize the true plot in motion: the Senate had arranged for the pro-Decepticon senators' murders so that the swift solving of the crimes would boost Decepticon faith in the Senate, increasing the turn-out for the recently created [[Decepticon Registration Act]]. The Senate then planned to detonate a bomb at the late [[Nominus Prime]]'s memorial service, hidden inside a fake [[Matrix of Leadership]], and blame it on the Decepticons, giving them an excuse to use the Registration Act list, found by Tumbler, to round up and brainwash the dissidents. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}}

With a plan to stop the bomb plot in place, Tumbler borrowed a replica Matrix from police armorer [[Ironfist (G1)|Ironfist]], to be switched by Pax for the Matrix-bomb. At a concerned Prowl's insistence, Tumbler was left behind during the 'heist' to switch the Matrix, and was instead assigned to guard Shockwave with Pax's colleague [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] at a safehouse. Unfortunately, the safehouse was attacked by Senate thugs, and whilst Pax arrived back there in time, he was forced to allow the enforcers to take Shockwave in return for Roller's life. Tumbler quickly led Pax to the Institute facility he had found with Prowl, only to find it deserted. {{storylink|Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|An Intimate Beheading}}

[[File:BeforeandAfter-TheWorseTheDeath.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|right|"Everyone calls me Chromedome, but my real name is MySpace -- wait, wait, no."]]
In the aftermath of the full-scale Decepticon rebellion, the new Prime, [[Zeta Prime|Zeta]], moved the Institute to a new, remote location, "rebranding" it as the 'New Institute'. Knowing of Tumbler's interest in neuroscience through Prowl, Zeta recruited the forensics officer as an apprentice cerebroscientist under [[Trepan]]. Working at the New Institute, he acquired the nickname "Chromedome" in reference to his prodigious skills as a mnemosurgeon and lobotomist, which he would eventually adopt as his regular name. When [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] located and attacked the facility, Chromedome was in the middle of a procedure on the Decepticon [[Soundwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Soundwave]], but was interrupted by a blast through his midsection. Luckily, the medic [[Pharma (G1)|Pharma]] was on hand to save the mnemosurgeon's life. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}}

Over time, after the war had begun proper, Chromedome came to resent his mnenosurgical abilities and became cynical over their use. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}} Many things he had to do during wartime were things that, in hindsight, he would regret. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}} Eventually, Chromedome was on the verge of suicide due to the immense burden of his abilities and the terrible side-effects they had on his own mental health. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}} It was then, at his lowest point, that he went to a repurposed Relinquishment Clinic to end it, but found [[Rewind (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rewind]] searching fruitlessly for [[Dominus Ambus]]. {{storylink|Before & After}} He formed a deep friendship with the diminutive archivist. Chromedome credited Rewind's optimism and caring nature as having saved his life, and the two were nearly inseparable since. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}} Indeed, [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] has been known to claim them as being "closer than [[Rack'n'Ruin]]" {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|Hangers On}} and Rewind had named Chromedome as his [[Conjunx Endura]]. {{storylink|Before & After}}

[[File:Brainstorm Chromedome infodump.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.55|A little known earlier detonation of the [[Metafictional bomb|meta bomb]].]]
Chromedome was stationed at [[Kimia Facility]] when [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] and the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]s invaded. {{storylink|Chaos Part One: Lamentations|Lamentations}} He survived and managed to escape before the facility's destruction, leaving in an escape pod together with Brainstorm and a number of other Autobots. They were soon rescued by, as he put it, [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|a psychopath in pink armor]], and made a joke at Swerve's expense. {{storylink|Chaos Part Three: Kings|Kings}}

As Arcee told the survivors about [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] and [[D-Void]]'s master plan to bring the [[Dead Universe]] into the actual universe, Chromedome and [[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Brainstorm]] felt a bit overwhelmed by the massive "info dump" and wondered if other species ever had to worry about saving the universe. {{storylink|Chaos Part Four: Genesis|Genesis}}

[[File:Chromedome Prowl RemembranceDay.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right|One prick deserves another...or five.]]
Weeks later, after D-Void's threat had ended and Cybertron had been reborn, Prowl summoned Chromedome and revealed to him that Overlord, recently defeated and captured by the [[Wrecker]]s, had not in fact had his spark removed and imprisoned, as the official story had claimed. Instead, he had been rebuilt, as part of an initiative by Prowl to uncover the secret to the immense power and endurance of Overlord and the other [[Phase Sixer]]s. With interrogation and the gift of a new body ineffective in making the Decepticon prisoner talk, Chromedome's former partner now sought for him to interface with Overlord and find the secret in his memories, a complex procedure that would be highly dangerous to the mnemosurgeon. When Chromedome refused, not wanting to break his promise to Rewind to stop interfacing, Prowl attempted to blackmail him with an unsavoury secret from the mnemosurgeon's past. Desperate to avoid Rewind learning this story, Chromedome attacked Prowl and forcibly interfaced with him, erasing from his old friend's memory both the blackmail threat and the knowledge that let him make it. He subsequently left the office, telling Prowl, oblivious to his attack, that he'd consider the proposal to work on Overlord. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}}

Somewhere around that time, Chromedome and Rewind attended the Festival of Lost Light. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}}

===The ''Lost Light''===
[[File:Chromedome Prowl Liars.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"And another thing! You ''deserved'' that memory wi- aaah... I mean, what memory wipe?"]]

After Optimus Prime's subsequent appearance and departure from Cybertron, Chromedome chose to join the [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]]'s crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'', alongside Rewind. Prowl, angry with this decision, tried to persuade him to stay, noting that Chromedome was "gifted" and his talents were still required on Cybertron, with the plan regarding Overlord left unspoken due to Rewind's presence. Eventually, realizing he wouldn't get anywhere with the argument, Chromedome gave up and left with Rewind, leaving Prowl to fume alone in his office.

Not long afterwards, Chromedome, Rewind, and [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] were headed to the ''Lost Light'', with Chromedome verbally jabbing at Rewind's impractical [[Alternate mode|alt mode]] along the way. Suddenly, a fight between [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] crossed their paths, as well as [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]], who had just escaped being trapped underground for six million years. Chromedome helped Tailgate out of the ground, but the small Cybertronian fainted when he saw that his escape had accidentally injured Whirl. Chromedome and the rest decided to take both Whirl and Tailgate aboard ''Lost Light'' for repairs. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}}

After the ''Lost Light'' suffered a premature [[Quantum generator|quantum jump]] and ended up halfway across the galaxy, forty Autobots were sucked out of a hull breach and sent plummeting to the surface of a nearby planetoid. Once the ship had landed there, Chromedome, Rewind, and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] aided in the recovery of missing crew members, pulling the stowaway Cyclonus from a lake. Later, Chromedome and others came across [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], who had also crash-landed on the planet and was being pursued by some unknown [[Legislator|sword-carrying robots]]. After Chromedome removed the "fiddly" [[inhibitor claw]] attached to Skids, the long thought-dead Autobot sprung into action and defeated his one remaining pursuer, much to the amazement of the others. Later, Chromedome was present when Rodimus addressed the crew. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|Hangers On}}

[[File:Chromedome mnemosurgery ChaosOfWarmThings.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66|You know, sometime I'd just like games night NOT to end in me sticking my fingers in a corpse.]]
When a [[Sparkeater (creature)|Sparkeater]] was thought to have been let loose aboard the ''Lost Light'', Rodimus asked Chromedome to use his abilities to help identify it. Despite Rewind's reservations, Chromedome complied, hacking into [[Shock (G1)|Shock]]'s mind to see the deceased Autobot's last memories. They did indeed tell of a violent attack by a Sparkeater, and Chromedome recoiled in pain and collapsed. After Chromedome recovered, he described the Sparkeater's appearance to the others. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}} After the Sparkeater business had been resolved, Chromedome and Rewind were present for the grand opening of [[Swerve's]]. {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}} A few days after, he enjoyed a drink with Rewind and a tipsy Skids in [[Swerve's|Swerve's new bar]]. {{storylink|Life After the Big Bang}} When the Lost Light was hit by [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s thumb (disconnected from its owner) Chromedome helped Brainstorm, Highbrow seal the hole while Trailbreaker used his forcefield to prevent them from being sucked out into the vacuum of space. He was presented with a [[Rodimus Star]] for his part in repairing the ship. Chromedome and Highbrow then discussed Rodimus Stars with Tailgate, who noted their shared "head-themed" nicknames. Later, he was paralyzed along with (nearly) everyone else on board of the ship when Brainstorm accidentally activated one of his experimental weapons. He eventually recovered, and was awarded another Rodimus Star "for exceptional endurance in the face of adversity." {{storylink|The Reluctant Specialist}} Curious about Skids's ever-present handgun (and the mental block which seemingly kept Skids from remembering it), Chromedome swiped the gun at the bar and turned it over to Brainstorm for analysis. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}}

Days later, over another round of drinks, Chromedome demonstrated his talent of being able to identify someone by the sound of their transformation alone. He offered some sympathy to Tailgate over the latter's studying under Ultra Magnus and displayed disgust when Tailgate mentioned trying to invite Cyclonus over to the table. However, the casual atmosphere came to a violent end when a mentally-disturbed Fortress Maximus entered the bar and abruptly shot [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] at pointblank range. {{storylink|Interiors}}

Chromedome later checked in with Brainstorm to find out what was up with Skids' gun. Brainstorm managed to blow the thing up while examining it, but also named it a "binary gun" after recognizing it could only hold two cartridges. He also noted that its engineering seemed to indicate that the gun came from the Institute. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}}

[[File:Chromedome mnemosurgery MTMTEAnnual2012.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Existential angst!]]
Chromedome suffered a brief bout of false recall, where he re-experienced the memory of [[Skyfall (G1)|Skyfall]]'s death- one of the unpleasant side-effects of his mnemosurgeries. He attended Tailgate's Autobot initiation ceremony, and he, Rewind, and Brainstorm placed bets with [[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]] as to how long it would take for Rodimus to say "[['Til all are one]]" in his speech. After representatives of the [[Galactic Council]] showed up, Chromedome was among the Autobots teleported to the surface of [[Theophany]] to explore the ruins of [[Crystal City]], which had been subject to some unknown siege and left desolate. They discovered an inert [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]] under the city, and Rodimus ordered Chromedome to hack into the giant's [[brain module]] and read its memories, hoping to discover what happened to Crystal City. While preparing to do so, Chromedome and Skids had a brief chat about their similar outlooks on life and its larger meaning. With a disapproving Rewind looking on, Chromedome hacked into the Titan's memory, and discovered it was still alive. Chromedome collapsed in pain, images torn from the Titan's brain reverberating through his mind, as the giant woke with a start and fired an eye-blast that struck the Galactic Council's ship in orbit. Once recovered, Chromedome explained that the Titan was attempting to will its [[spark]] to leave its body, having barely any power left and being totally paralyzed. Chromedome wanted to attempt to re-enter the Titan's mind, as the glimpses he caught indicated that its memories contained much of the information that they were seeking. With the Galactic Council's troops bearing down on them and the ''Lost Light'' under attack, Rodimus chose to set the Titan free instead of pillaging its mind. After some of its mass was shrunk by Brainstorm, the Titan had enough power to teleport the Autobots back to their ship, and the ''Lost Light'' quantum-jumped to safety. {{storylink|Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|You, Me, and Other Revelations}}

Days later Skids, inspired by his discussion with Chromedome in Crystal City, wanted to let the mnemosurgeon unlock his missing memories. Chromedome admitted that he himself was curious about the mystery of Skids' past and agreed to do it. After hacking into Skids' mind, Chromedome discovered the memories of the year prior to Skids' joining the crew of the ''Lost Light'' had been replaced by an imperative to escape. Chromedome dug deeper and found the erased memories still locked inside Skids' head, but once he caught a glimpse of them, he quickly withdrew. Chromedome told Skids that the buried memories were so horrifying and traumatic that it was better for everyone, Skids himself included, that they never resurface. Skids reluctantly agreed, but asked Chromedome about a piece of music he kept hearing in his head. Chromedome admitted that he heard it in there too, identified it as "[[The Empyrean Suite]]", and prayed that Skids would never come to understand its significance. {{storylink|Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|Who's Afraid of the DJD?}}

In order to restore the recovering [[Rung (G1)|Rung]]'s mind, Chromedome and others were assembled by Rewind to tell a story from the Clampdown era. Chromedome explained to the others that the story would help reestablish critical neural connections in Rung's brain. He started off the story, but he and Rewind got briefly distracted trying to figure out how many times Prowl had flipped a table over in their presence. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc}} By the end of the story, the ship's alarms were sounding, and Chromedome scrambled for battle stations with the others. {{storylink|Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|An Intimate Beheading}}

[[File:BeforeandAfter-SilentTreatment.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right|Not "''like'' an old married couple," they literally ''are'' an old married couple.]]

As they headed to [[Temptoria]] in the ''[[Leading Light]]'', Chromedome and Rewind argued over the latter's insistence of joining them in battle, despite being technically exempt from combat. Though Chromedome enthusiastically took part in the battle on Temptoria against a small force of Decepticons, when he returned to the shuttle, he found that Rewind had been gravely injured in an explosion. Back on the ''Lost Light'', [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] talked Chromedome into performing a jumpstart on Rewind to save the smaller 'Bot's spark. While waiting to hear if the procedure had worked or not, Chromedome got to chatting with Tailgate about how he and Rewind had met, of Rewind’s lost “master”, (a progressive ‘Bot by the name of [[Dominus Ambus]]). Rewind had never stopped looking for the missing Ambus and even made Chromedome promise to continue the search if anything ever happened to him.

The jumpstart procedure failed, as Chromedome's own spark was "low yield". Sent to his quarters to recharge, an emotionally vulnerable Chromedome spoke to Brainstorm through his door. Brainstorm offered to show him something in the basement that would give the Autobots an advantage and prevent any more tragedies like Rewind's from ever happening again. Before Chromedome could answer, however, First Aid contacted him with the news that Whirl had a compatible spark to be used to save Rewind. A happy reunion ensued. {{storylink|Before & After}}

Despite this, Chromedome met with Brainstorm and Drift and learned the secret of Overlord's presence on the ''Lost Light''. Despite his previous refusal to Prowl, the fresh memory of Rewind's near-death was enough for Chromedome to agree to use his talents on the Decepticon, in the hope that "Autobot Phase Sixers" could prevent any such tragedies from happening again. Over the next several days, Chromedome visited Overlord in the [[slow cell]] multiple times, acclimating himself to the Decepticon's mental architecture. As a safeguard in the event of Overlord's escape, he subtly altered the Decepticon's memories so as to make him associate the phrase "'til all are one!" with defeat in combat, knowing that Rodimus would undoubtedly say this in a battle. {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}} In-between visits to Overlord, Chromedome took time to be interviewed for Rewind's documentary about life on the ''Lost Light''. {{storylink|Little Victories}}

[[File:RemembranceDay-Chromedome.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|left|This is something Rung would also call "a super bad idea."]]
Feeling bold, Chromedome began visiting Overlord's cell without informing his co-conspirators in advance, and confronted Overlord directly in his memories. He compelled Overlord to lead him through his memories to the [[Foundry]], when [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]], [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]], and [[Rossum]] used [[ununtrium]] to reinforce his endoskeleton and transform him into one of the [[Warriors Elite]]. Although Chromedome found his answers, he was taken unawares by Overlord also having mnemosurgical training, allowing the Decepticon to loop them through a shared memory and take control of the mental environment. With Chromedome helpless, Overlord browsed through the Autobot's memories at will until he found the security codes to unlock the slow cell. With this, Overlord escaped, taunting a weakened Chromedome with the knowledge that the five seconds it would take him to cross the cell in pursuit would equal thirty minutes of killin' time for Overlord aboard the ship. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}}

Sure enough, Chromedome exited the slow cell into chaos, as the crew of the ''Lost Light'' battled vainly against the superwarrior. Luckily, a true-to-form Rodimus uttered his catch phrase, causing a sudden nervous attack in Overlord which gave Fortress Maximus an opening to overpower the Decepticon. Per Drift's back-up plan, Overlord was forced back into the slow cell, which was readied to eject into space. Tragically, one of Drift's [[sword]]s, stolen during the battle, blocked the cell door open, and heroically Rewind climbed inside the cell to remove the blade. Once he did, the door closed automatically, severing Chromedome's left arm and trapping Rewind inside with Overlord. Desperately speaking some final words to his partner (which Rewind could not hear through the door), Chromedome watched helplessly as the cell was jettisoned. Unwilling to leave Rewind to Overlord's tender mercies, Chromedome personally manned the weapons array of the ''Lost Light'' and blew the slow cell to pieces, apparently killing Rewind in the process. {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}}

[[File:TheGloaming-iloveyou.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right|I love you too, guys!]]
As Rewind and the other victims were laid to rest, Chromedome seemed to hold together remarkably. Only Brainstorm knew what was really going on in his friend's head, and confronted Chromedome in his suite after the funeral. Brainstorm tried to remind Domey of his other Conjunx Endura over the years -- [[Mach (Victory)|Mach]], [[Pivot]], [[Scattergun]]—each of whom Chromedome forcibly removed from his own memories using mnemosurgery once they died, as he couldn't cope with the loss. Brainstorm pleaded with Chromedome not to do it again, and honor Rewind by remembering him. He passed on a final message from Rewind, a memory stick the little bot threw through the cell door as it was closing. These final words and expression of love from Rewind were enough to stop Chromedome from injecting and convince him to hold onto the memory of his lost love. {{storylink|The Gloaming}}

[[File:RemainInLight2-ChromedomeAltMode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|left]]
Shortly afterwards, Chromedome visited Ratchet in the medibay for reconstruction of his left arm. As he entered, a [[cybercrosis|panicked]] Tailgate barged past him. Before work on the arm was complete, the ''Lost Light'', pursuing the missing Ultra Magnus, arrived at a vast portal in space, and Chromedome watched from the observation deck. Beyond the portal was the long lost [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], and the mnemosurgeon was recruited by Rodimus for the landing party. The group descended, though not before Chromedome promised Skids to search for answers regarding his amnesia, and on the moon's surface they found an active hot spot of gestating [[spark]]s. Before long, however, the party was set upon by [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]] and his cadre of [[Titan Hunter]]s, {{storylink|Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|The Fecund Moon}} forcing them to flee into a nearby [[Titan (body-type)|Titan]] "graveyard". Their flight was futile, and the entire group was soon captured, whereupon their gracious host was revealed as [[Tyrest (G1)|Tyrest]], who accused them of crimes against creation. On the way to their cell, Chromedome noticed an apparently immobile Ultra Magnus. The landing party quickly got to chatting with their new cellmate, who revealed himself to be [[Minimus Ambus]], spark brother of Rewind's lost friend [[Dominus Ambus]]. Even though they were all locked up at the behest of Tyrest, Chromedome didn't share Tailgate's impatience to escape their shared prison cell. He quickly chastised the [[Mini Vehicle|Minibot]] for calling him "Domey", the personal nickname that Rewind once used. The group stewed in their prison for some time until an observant Rung deduced something from Minimus's mannerisms—that their cellmate was none other than Ultra Magnus! {{storylink|Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|House of Ambus}}

Chromedome listened intently to Minimus's explanation with the others, learning the secret of the [[Magnus Armor]]. When Skids and Swerve were teleported into their holding cell and Skids was revealed by Minimus to be considered a criminal, Chromedome assumed it had something to do with the "binary gun" the theoretician had been carrying. When Tyrest's enforcer [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] introduced them to another new cellmate, Chromedome revealed to Skids that he had read his memories wrong. What he had thought was a buried imperative in Skids's mind to "escape", was actually a name- the name of their new cellmate, [[Getaway]]! {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}}

[[File:ArmTheLonely-Chromedome.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|Sometimes we like to throw a bone to the artists out there looking for a rear-view reference shot.]]
Getaway explained things to Chromedome and the others, formally identifying the binary gun as a [[nudge gun]]. With Getaway's help, Chromedome was able to connect the dots and understand the gaps in Skids's memory. Once everyone found out that Tyrest had gone mad and needed to be stopped, Getaway asked for donated parts from his cellmates to escape their prison. For his part, Chromedome gave Getaway the syringes from his fingers, allowing the escapist to take down the Legislator guarding them. The group armed-up and headed to Tyrest's control room for a confrontation. Unfortunately, the Chief Justice was prepared for them, activating a weapon that paralyzed the Autobots. Tyrest then turned on his [[universal killswitch]], a device intended to kill any Transformers that were [[Reproduction|constructed cold]]. Having been so, Chromedome began dying slowly and painfully. {{storylink|Remain in Light 4 of 5: Arm the Lonely|Arm the Lonely}} Ultimately, the killswitch was deactivated and Tyrest's plans foiled. In the aftermath, Chromedome visited a dying Tailgate, whose [[cybercrosis]] was in its final stages. Noting Cyclonus's bedside vigil, Chromedome respectfully departed to let the two say their goodbyes. {{storylink|Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|This Calamitous Life}}

After Orion Pax arrived aboard the ''Lost Light'', Chromedome attended the welcome party at Swerve's. {{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}} He took part in the underwater battle on [[Hydrophena]], defending [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] against the [[Ammonite]] forces, {{storylink|Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|Into the Abyss}} {{storylink|The Dead Are Not Enough: Dark Cybertron Chapter 7|The Dead Are Not Enough}} and was teleported along with the rest ''Lost Light'' to Cybertron after they managed to get the Titan's space bridge in working order. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} Crash-landing on the planet's surface, Chromedome disembarked with the rest of the crew and fought in the massive battle against their Ammonite attackers and the undead [[Necrotitan]]. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}}

[[File:TheBecoming-throw.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.6|Prowl just can't BELIEVE someone would throw him off a cliff just for laughing at a widower.]]
In the aftermath of the Necrotitan's defeat, Ultra Magnus tried to convince Chromedome to read Metroplex's mind, a request the mnemosurgeon rebuffed. Feeling depressed, he went to ruminate atop a cliff on the outskirts of New Iacon, where Prowl found him. A bitter argument erupted between the two, with Prowl blaming Chromedome's earlier mnemosurgery on him for leaving his mind vulnerable to [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]]'s control, and Chromedome faulting Prowl for smuggling Overlord aboard the ''Lost Light''. Rage overcame Chromedome when Prowl expressed pleasure that this had indirectly led to Rewind's death, and he attacked the police-bot, hurling him off a cliff and pummeling him until Ultra Magnus intervened. {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} However, the altercation was cut short by 70 billion more of Shockwave's Ammonites, who Chromedome engaged on the ground alongside Whirl and Arcee. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

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===Second Launch===
When the crisis had passed had Megatron had seemingly surrendered and defected to the Decepticons Optimus Prime attempted to have Chromedome extract Megatron's memories for use in court. The former Decepticon leader vehemently refused to allow this, citing his fear that the extraction might be used as a cover for [[Shadowplay]]. Megatron was able to finagle his way out of a verdict and subsequently joined the ''Lost Light'' as its new captain. Chromedome opted to rejoin the expedition but soon fell into a deep depression, shutting himself away in his habitation suite and listening to Rewind's final message over and over in the dark, much to the concern of his friends. Chromedome was startled into action, however, when the last words of his lover's message suddenly changed into an agonized scream. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}}

Deeply perturbed, he sought out [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] for some answers, and while initially angered by the detective's skeptcism, the appearance of Rewind's apparent ghost galvanized Nightbeat into action. The two returned to Nightbeat's quarters to gather more detective equipment, where Chromedome voiced his belief that he was probably being punished for not continuing to search for Dominus Ambus. Their converstion was interrupted when the pair discovered that the outside wall of Nightbeat's hab suite had disappeared. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} A few minutes later, Rodimus summoned Chromedome and Nightbeat to examine what appeared to be his own corpse, ignoring Chromedome's concerns about injecting into a cadaver. All Chromedome was able to find were Rodimus's "red letter" days, which, combined with the matching energon, caused something of an existential crisis in Rodimus. Then the wall behind everyone vanished.

When it became clear that the ship was slowly and inexplicably vanishing, Chromedome evacuated on the [[Rodpod]].{{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} When the crewmembers began disappearing as well, Chromedome was one of the afflicted. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}} Those Autobots who were unaffected by the disappearances discovered that the quantum engine failure of the ''Lost Light'' had created a second, on-course, ''Lost Light'', which had been attacked and destroyed by the [[Decepticon Justice Division|DJD]] some eighteen months prior.

The "other" Chromedome had been tormented by the Decepticons during their attack, offered to be spared if he wiped his memories of Rewind. Chromedome refused, so DJD member [[Vos (DJD)|the DJD member Vos]] had snapped off his mnemosurgical needles and stabbed him to death. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}} After coming across the wreckage of the ship, the [[Censere|Necrobot]], unaware of the quantum accident, added "Chromedome's" name to his list of deceased Transformers. {{storylink|Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|Who's Afraid of the DJD?}}

[[File:TheRoadNotTaken-ChromedomeRewind.jpg|upright=1.6|thumb|*fart*]]

Once Rewind — the sole surviving member of the duplicate ''Lost Light'' and the cause of Chromedome's strange visions — had reset the ailing quantum engines, the paradox was resolved and the main ''Lost Light'' and its crew members rematerialized, Chromedome among them. Skids gave him a pair of [[magna-clamp]]s and told him to go to the outside of the ship. The two lovers sat side-by-side for a while before embracing. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}} Upon their return to the ''Lost Light'', Rewind opted to live in his own, separate hab suite, which upset Chromedome. Rewind explained that the two weren't technically each other's actual spouse and that he felt more comfortable starting out again with Chromedome with some degree of separation. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}}

This peace was to be short-lived: during a celebration at Swerve's to commemorate their recent adventure, Brainstorm was seemingly revealed to be a Deceticon double-agent, poisoning the crew of the ship and escaping across time and space by using the time machine in his [[Time case|briefcase]]. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}} The first hint that something had gone wrong came when Rewind awoke from a bad dream about the "[[Dark Dawn]]," a genocidal event that had never happened in their timeline. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}}

Believing that he had travelled back in time to kill Orion Pax and preemptively end the war, a group of Autobots who shared the same spark-type with Brainstorm were assembled to pursue him, using a quantum duplicate of Brainstorm's briefcase. In the event that the team would inadvertently reveal the future to inhabitants of the past, Chromedome was temporarily augmented with the ability to erase anyone's memory with a simple handshake. The time traveling team first landed in [[1st Cycle 502]], four million years ago, where they helped Orion Pax and his team of renegade [[Outlier]]s protect a [[hot spot]] from [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]'s [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]]. After needing to follow Brainstorm again through another time jump, Chromedome shook hands with everyone, accidentally causing Optimus Prime and the others to forget [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]]'s fate and—to Rodimus's horror—fail to permanently warn Trailbreaker about his death in four million years. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays|All Our Parlous Yesterdays}}

The team's next stop was in [[51st Cycle 500]], where Chromedome confronted the new problem of potentially bumping into himself. Brainstorm timejumped again (to [[4th Cycle 499]]) and the team followed, and this time Chromedome and Rewind staked out the [[Rodion]] police headquarters with Whirl. As they waited, Rewind troubled Chromedome with the suggestion of possibly using time travel to save Rewind's previous spouse, Dominus Ambus. Their discussion of timetravel ethics was interrupted when three Senate thugs arrived at Police HQ, setting off Whirl on a rampage due to his shared history with them. Chromedome and Rewind managed to stop Whirl, but not before they accidentally caused the chain of events that would later lead to Senator Shockwave's capture. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet|Stet}}

It became increasingly clear that, rather than killing Megatron, Brainstorm had instead been trying to manipulate events in such a way as to prevent the rise of Megatron, and with his plans going increasingly awry, a desperate Brainstorm time-jumped to the moment of Megatron's creation, pointing a gun at the half-built 'bot who would one day become Megatron. Though the Autobots were able to talk him down, Rewind, who had had his databanks overwritten with information about [[Functionist Universe|the series of events that would come to pass if Megatron was never born]], decided to shoot Megatron himself, seemingly dooming Cybertron to a genocidal [[Functionism|functionist]] regime in exchange for sparing the rest of the galaxy from the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]].

However, the group did not end up changing history, as the nature of time travel meant that Rewind was always fated to kill Megatron; after replacing Megatron's original spark with a [[Point One Percenter]] spark from the future, the team tied up loose ends and returned to their own time. Chromedome reaching out to Rewind in his vulnerable moment had caused the two to bridge the rift that had been between them, and the pair began to share a hab suite once again. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}} Sometime after returning, Chromedome spoke to the ship's higher ups, arguing that Rewind's actions were down to trauma; as a result of which no action was charged against him. During Brainstorm's trial, Chromedome served as Brainstorm's defense, when he was the first 'bot to be brought before the [[Lost Light Internal Affairs Committee]]. {{storylink|Our Steps Will Always Rhyme}}

[[File:TheOneWhereTheyGoToEarth-table.jpg|left|thumb|180px|Ultra Magnus was shunned after admitting his favourite season was the fourth.]]

In the aftermath of the ''Lost Light'' attending Thunderclash's pre-wake, the ship held a dance-off, where Chromedome and Rewind attended, dancing together. {{storylink|The Frail Gaze}} Shortly after, it turned out Swerve had been slowly dying for some time, and to aid their shipmate the ''Lost Light'' crew used their [[holomatter]] avatars to navigate "[[Swearth]]" in the hopes of finding him. A subsequent medical examination revealed that Swerve had nearly succumbed to an old bullet wound inflicted by the mysterious [[Dominus Ambus|Agent 113]] as part of his unorthodox method of relaying information. {{storylink|The One Where They Go to Earth}} Among the information encoded within the bullet was data regarding the legendary "[[Censere|Necrobot]]" and his supposed base of operations. Chromedome was present as Rewind informed Rodimus about the mysterious being, and spoke up in favor of investigating the [[Necroworld|planet]] where the Necrobot lived, hoping to help his conjunx find out more about the fate of Dominus Ambus. After arriving on the Necroworld, the group learned how the Necrobot kept track of Cybertronians through holographic statues; Chromedome deduced that there was a central database all the statues were connected to, meaning that it was possible to learn who was alive or dead through who had a statue switched on. Rewind was understandably terrified and asked Chromedome for guidance; Chromedome felt that it wasn't for him to choose, so when Rewind chose to search, it turned out that Dominus had been listed as "deactivated."

Later, Chromedome tried to comfort a devastated Rewind by offering to "smudge" his memories of what happened, only for Nightbeat to show up wanting to show them something. It was a list of the "[[Disappeared]]:" 'bots who had been unaccounted for, and Dominus's name was at the bottom of the list. {{storylink|The Not Knowing}}

A few days later, Chromedome and Rewind were at Swerve's together, their hand-holding witnessed by a passing Cyclonus. {{storylink|The Lopsided Triangle}} Shortly thereafter, Cyclonus and Tailgate were involved in an altercation. Wondering what had just happened, Rodimus had Chromedome inject into Cyclonus. The injection took a heavy strain on Chromedome. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}} A few hours later, the serial killer Sunder went on a rampage through the ''Lost Light'', his first victim being Skids. Chromedome soon turned up, and realized Skids was remembering the events at Grindcore that had caused the amnesia Chromedome had examined the year before. He injected to try and make sure Skids didn't remember what had happened while Rung and Tailgate went after Sunder. {{storylink|Speak, Memory! (Part 2)}}

Chromedome attended the ''Lost Light''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s movie night where Rewind was showing a documentary about the beginning of the war. As the documentary reached the section on Megatron's killing of Sentinel Prime, Brainstorm commented that the former Autobot leader had a lot in common with his killer, prompting Chromedome to point out the irony of someone so obsessed with the purity of the Autobot "brand" being similar to the leader of the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Last Autobot}}

Around December of that year, Chromedome was one of many crewmembers who took advantage of "time fissures" present in Swerve's to look back on the past, including "his" Rewind, something Rung warned him against. Afterward he took part in a toast to "surprises". {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}}

Some months later, Chromedome was one of several members of the crew who took part in a fight on [[Miliarium]] against marauding [[Rust Giant]]s. On returning to the ''Lost Light'', Rewind was subjected to a powerful psychic attack of unknown origin. When Rodimus assembled a team to investigate, Rewind and Chromedome were part of the away team — made up of others who had experienced the attack — dispatched to track the signal to its source. The search led them to a strange hollow planet, which turned out to be the Necroworld; they didn't get far before they were attacked by a massive Decepticon armada, forcing them to retreat to the Necrobot's fortress before they were shot down. Discovering that the Necrobot himself perished, the group learned that disgraced escapologist [[Getaway]] had led the rest of the ''Lost Light'' in a mutiny designed to lure Rodimus, Megatron, and his sympathisers off the ship... and leave them to the tender mercies of the [[Decepticon Justice Division]]. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

The D.J.D. stuck to their script, and, after a brief attack on the fortress, retreated to give their victims eight hours to weigh up their limited options and stew in their fear. Nightbeat found a potential way offworld by using one of the late Necrobot's teleport chambers, but Velocity discovered a basement filled with pods that seemingly contained organic lifeforms. Unwilling to let the organics be massacred by the DJD, nobody opted to leave. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 2: The Sun in Flight|The Sun in Flight}} As the team dug in for a fight, Chromedome and Rewind had an argument, each belieing that the other should have used the teleport chamber to escape. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}} When Ratchet and Drift arrived on the planet, they managed to capture the mysterious "[[Dominus Ambus|Pet]]" that accompanied the DJD. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} Despite still being weak from injecting Tailgate some months before, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}} Chromedome volunteered to operate on the creature in the hopes of learning where the DJD had hidden their starship. An hour later, after recording his last will and testament, he prepared to inject. Despite Rodimus's orders to just do a quick probe of recent memories, Chromedome began feeling off, and, ignoring Ratchet's demand to stop, he went deeper.

[[File:it's not your decision to make.jpg|right|thumb|250px|]]

Much to his horror, Chromdome found that The Pet was not a simple animal, but a [[beast mode]] Cybertronian who had been "[[Domestication|domesticated]]" by the DJD; even as Ratchet shouted that the procedure was killing him, he felt confident that he could reverse the process. Ignoring the protests, Chromedome delved deeper and made a terrifying discovery: The Pet was Dominus Ambus, who had once been the infamous "Agent 113" Even as Ratchet and Rewind yelled at him to stop, he kept going, feeling (and saying) that Rewind couldn't have room for both the people he loved in his life. Unable to watch Chromedome kill himself, Rewind made the choice to abort the procedure by slicing off his arm, leaving Dominus to die.

Some hours later, with D.J.D.-related death imminent, a repaired Chromedome morosely agreed with Velocity's encasement of the day's proceedings as "torture". {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} Then Velocity hit on an idea to give them an edge in the upcoming execution: since extreme trauma to Tailgate had made his quantum-engine radiated spark surge and briefly power up others, doing that now could give them an edge against the enemy. Skids stepped forward and Chromedome, to his dismay, had to help his friend relieve the horrors of Grindcore and all the blotted-out guilt, his last injection being to drive him over the edge.

[[File:mtmte54 KRACK.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Fun? FUN?! How DARE you! How many have to die for you to get your sick jollies?! HOW MANY?]]

In the ensuing battle, a supercharged Chromedome was sought out by Overlord, who mocked the mnemosurgeon for letting the first Rewind die... prompting an enraged Chromedome to punch him across the battlefield. All too soon, however, the charge burned out and Chromedome and the others were surrounded on all sides. Only the arrival of Megatron, armed with a new fusion cannon, allowed them to fall back to the fortress. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 5: Rage, Rage|Rage, Rage}} During all of the carnage and high drama of Megatron's obliteraton of the D.J.D., Chromedome stayed at the back, silently looking at Skids' dead body. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}
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===After Dominus===

Once the dust had settled from the battle against the D.J.D., Chromedome was part of the team Rodimus assembled to return to Cybertron for help using the reassembled teleporter. While the teleporter did bring them to ''a'' Cybertron, it had somehow deposited them on the Cybertron of the [[Functionist Universe]]. Almost immediately after arriving, he and the rest of the team were placed under arrest by [[Twelve-of-Twelve]] and his [[Functionary|Functionaries]]. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|Some Other Cybertron}} As they were paraded through a crowd to shame them on their way to imprisonment, Rewind pointed out to Chromedome that Cybertron had no moon, proving that this was the Functionist Universe. After a grenade thrown by a member of the [[Anti-Vocationist League]] took out two of the group's Functionary escorts, Chromedome was freed from his restraints and joined in the battle. As Twelve-of-Twelve attacked Rodimus, Chromedome lassoed a chain around his neck and pulled him in, though the councilor managed to teleport away before he could do anything else. Soon after the fight was over, [[Six-of-Twelve]] began broadcasting across Cybertron, Chromedome seeming somewhat in disbelief that the councilor's head resembled [[Matrix of Leadership|The Matrix]]. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 2: Anomie|Anomie}} When the League teleported Team Rodimus to [[Kalis|Adaptica]], Chromedome attended the meeting with estranged councillor member [[Nine-of-Twelve]]. When the alternate [[Anode]] arrived, Chromedome denied any involvement with the mysterious U.F.O. just outside Cybertronian orbit. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced|A World Misplaced}}

When the U.F.O. was revealed to be [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]], Chromedome joined the others on the balcony in staring at it before it unleashed it tractor beams. While Megatron handled the defense of the city, Chromedome joined Rodimus in heading to rescue the alternate [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] and [[Vector Sigma]] from the Functionists. When the group arrived outside Vector Sigma's chamber however they found the Council had already gained access to the supercomputer but that they had ''not'' used Rung to access the chamber. When Rodimus bravely tackled [[Six-of-Twelve]], Chromedome <s>pointed out the colossal error in judgement</s> warned that his brave leader would now have to fight eleven councillors as they entered the chamber. Like all, Chromedome was horrified to see, {{storylink|Dissolution Part 4: Bad Moon Rising|Bad Moon Rising}} Six-of-Twelve using the false Matrix to suspend Rodimus in an agony beam. Ratchet came to their rescue by pretending to hold the alternate Rung hostage. After they teleported back to the surface and took over the [[Cog (base)|Cog]], Rung displayed his ability to create [[Photonic crystal|photonic crystals]] and explained why the Council hadn't slain him prompting Chromedome to ask why the Council hadn't gone public with the photonic crystals for a year and pointed out that Vector Sigma was sealed off by [[Ununtrium|ununtrium]] but Rung explained how the Council had turned everything to their own advantage. After Rung revealed that the Functionists were building an army to exterminate all non-Cybertronian life in the galaxy, Rewind leaned on Chromedome as he despaired over the hatred the Cybertronians had for aliens. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}} After the Cog had crashed in Adaptica and Brainstorm and Roller had worked out how to save everyone, Chromedome held hands with Rewind at the first (non-functional) matter transpoter before they ran to a second (functional) one where the group teleported to Luna 2 and teleported the moon to Necroworld. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|This Machine Kills Fascists}} When Rodimus announced his [[Skip|incredibly morbid plan]] to escape Necroworld, Chromedome and Rewind held hands. {{storylink|After Megatron (A Dissolution Epilogue)|After Megatron}}

Aboard the cramped spacecraft, Chromedome and Rewind climbed aboard the sleeping Roller's alternate mode to "canoodle" much to the ex-cop's shock when he awoke. The three went to Rodimus about this issue who simply could not bring himself to even pretend to care before he ushered everyone out when a call came in from [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Fortress Maximus]]. Concurrently, the increasingly petty and ridiculous prank war between [[Anode]] and [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] reached its climax with Rewind accidentally being raked by [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]]'s [[Great Sword]]. Chromedome immediately turned on Cyclonus before [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] broke up the fighting. To top it all off, an increasingly intangible Ratchet was sinking through the floor, Skip was shrinking and [[Ten]] declared that the fate of the universe hinged upon everyone following his commands. {{storylink|Sardines}}
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==INSIRT continuity==
[[File:Timeless-EjectChromedomeStylor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2]]
Long ago on Cybertron, Chromedome served in the [[Autobot Police]] and harbored an interest in the field of mnemosurgery. Over time, he was able to use his highly decorated partner Prowl's status to pursue this interest, developing the ability to extract information directly from a suspect's mind. However, as time passed, Chromedome found himself called upon not only to read minds, but rewrite them, altering a subject's memories and personality. Seeking to escape the burden of these duties, he buried his past and his talents. Eventually, though, he would come to meet Rewind, another Autobot with an interest in memories. Though it took some time, Chromedome eventually let the smaller Autobot into his life. {{storylink|Chromedome (G1)#Timelines|''Timelines'' Chromedome bio card}}

Some time later, Chromedome and Rewind would become crewmembers of the ''Lost Light'', and, along with [[Stylor]] and ex-Decepticon mercenary [[Treadshot (G1)|Treadshot]], formed the [[INSIRT|Intelligence and Notable Surreptitious Information Recovery Team]], a group tasked with uncovering any mysteries that might threaten the ship's quest to find the Knights of Cybertron. {{storylink|INSIRT|INSIRT Tech Spec}} INSIRT's duties took them to the [[Vestigial Cortical Complex]], a Decepticon memory storage facility that Rewind became very excited about. After they located the facility, an impatient Treadshot made a door by way of explosion, allowing Chromedome, Rewind and Stylor to file inside. {{storylink|Timeless}}

At some point Rewind died, and [[Brainstorm (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity#Recordicons|Brainstorm]] set Chromedome up on a date with [[Eject (G1)#Recordicons|Eject]]. {{storylink|Recordicons#Recordicons #27|Recordicons #27}}
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==Notes==
*The fact that Chromedome originally used to go by a different name was first brought up in [[Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|issue #9]] of ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'': In that issue, his name was written in quotation marks in Rewind's diagram, and when Chromedome himself was about to mention his original name, Rewind cut him off, arguing that it would make the story they were telling too "confusing". The out-of-universe reason for this was that writer [[James Roberts]] wanted to trick readers into believing that his unmentioned original name held some significance, causing rampant speculation. In [[Remembrance Day|issue #14]] of the same series, it was finally revealed that his original name was the completely insignificant "Tumbler"; the real revelation was that his ''current'' name, "Chromedome", was the one that had a deeper meaning, as it was originally a nickname given to him at the "[[Institute|New Instutute]]" where he used to work under [[Zeta Prime]], a rather surprising twist in the light of the events of the "Shadowplay" three-parter.
* "Timeless" co-writer [[Jesse Wittenrich]] would [http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/99399-post-pictures-of-your-special-arm/page-1044#entry3318823 later reveal] his intention that the Rewind depicted in "Timeless" was being projected into Chromedome's mind by Stylor, and that the actual Rewind was deceased. Vestigial remnants of this plot point remain in the published comic, in the form of Stylor's constant physical contact with Chromedome, and Treadshot never acknowledging Rewind. Whether this holds true in the completed comic or is merely [[authorial intent]] is an exercise left to the reader.
*[[James Roberts]] has said that IDW Prowl and Chromedome had a "stronger bond" than just being partners.<ref>[http://theunderbase.libsyn.com/the-underbase-deconstructs-shadowplay "The Underbase Podcast Deconstructs Shadowplay"], 17:17 - 14:58</ref>
*An erroneously-coordinated appearance by Chromedome in [[The Gloaming|''More than Meets the Eye'' #16]] was recolored by [[Josh Burcham]] into "[[Toxin]]", a character created for [[Unofficial conventions|TFCon 2011]].
* Chromedome's present day alt mode looks suspiciously like a light runner from the ''{{w|Borderlands (series)|Borderlands}}'' franchise.

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:IDW Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Lost Light crew]]
[[Category:Mnemosurgeons]]

Talk:Doublecross

2016-12-18T19:42:10Z

Levyshahar: /* IDW continuity */

... there's not another Doublecross, is there? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
: Don't think so. Moved. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== What?! No ID Number? ==

Most of the 1987 toy articles lack Japanese ID Numbers. Doublecross is one of them. What's his number?

== Rename to Twinferno? ==

He's been named as Twinferno in most of his toy releases, as of late, which is most of his actual...well.. existence at all. Should we rename the page?
:First, sign your posts. Second, no, that is not how we work. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:18, 5 November 2016 (EDT)
:Yeah, we always name a character's article based on their official name at the start of a continuity, simply for clarity's sake. We don't label G1 cartoon Optimus' page as "Orion Pax (G1)/G1 cartoon continuity", for example. If another notable Doublecross appears in TF media, ''then'' we could consider moving this page to "Doublecross (G1)" (though I'm honestly surprised we never got a SG version of the Monsterbots...).

:Really, "Autobot Twinferno" is just a new trademarked name for the character of G1 Doublecross. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 00:09, 7 November 2016 (EST)

==IDW continuity==

Where exactly do you see him in the protesting crowd? I see the other two monsterbots but not doublecross [[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 14:40, 18 December 2016 (EST)

Talk:Doublecross

2016-12-18T19:41:41Z

Levyshahar:

... there's not another Doublecross, is there? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
: Don't think so. Moved. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== What?! No ID Number? ==

Most of the 1987 toy articles lack Japanese ID Numbers. Doublecross is one of them. What's his number?

== Rename to Twinferno? ==

He's been named as Twinferno in most of his toy releases, as of late, which is most of his actual...well.. existence at all. Should we rename the page?
:First, sign your posts. Second, no, that is not how we work. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:18, 5 November 2016 (EDT)
:Yeah, we always name a character's article based on their official name at the start of a continuity, simply for clarity's sake. We don't label G1 cartoon Optimus' page as "Orion Pax (G1)/G1 cartoon continuity", for example. If another notable Doublecross appears in TF media, ''then'' we could consider moving this page to "Doublecross (G1)" (though I'm honestly surprised we never got a SG version of the Monsterbots...).

:Really, "Autobot Twinferno" is just a new trademarked name for the character of G1 Doublecross. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 00:09, 7 November 2016 (EST)

==IDW continuity==

Where exactly do you see him in the protesting crowd? I see the other two monsterbots but now doublecross [[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 14:40, 18 December 2016 (EST)

Talk:Doublecross

2016-12-18T19:40:46Z

Levyshahar:

... there's not another Doublecross, is there? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
: Don't think so. Moved. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== What?! No ID Number? ==

Most of the 1987 toy articles lack Japanese ID Numbers. Doublecross is one of them. What's his number?

== Rename to Twinferno? ==

He's been named as Twinferno in most of his toy releases, as of late, which is most of his actual...well.. existence at all. Should we rename the page?
:First, sign your posts. Second, no, that is not how we work. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:18, 5 November 2016 (EDT)
:Yeah, we always name a character's article based on their official name at the start of a continuity, simply for clarity's sake. We don't label G1 cartoon Optimus' page as "Orion Pax (G1)/G1 cartoon continuity", for example. If another notable Doublecross appears in TF media, ''then'' we could consider moving this page to "Doublecross (G1)" (though I'm honestly surprised we never got a SG version of the Monsterbots...).

:Really, "Autobot Twinferno" is just a new trademarked name for the character of G1 Doublecross. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 00:09, 7 November 2016 (EST)

Where exactly do you see him in the protesting crowd? I see the other two monsterbots but now doublecross [[User:Levyshahar|Levyshahar]] ([[User talk:Levyshahar|talk]]) 14:40, 18 December 2016 (EST)

The Rebirth, Part 1

2016-12-14T13:25:21Z

Levyshahar: /* Foreign localization */

{{episode
|image=Rebirth 1 Autobot heads.JPG
|caption=Dum-dum give us gum-gum.
|series=G1toon
|ep=96
|title="The Rebirth, Part 1"
|written by=[[David Wise]]
|animation studio=[[AKOM]]
|production code=6701-01
|airdate=[[November 9]], 1987
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''Galvatron invades Autobot City and then Cybertron with a plan to destroy the Autobots forever! This is something new?'''

==Synopsis==
[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Goldbug]] is talking with the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. Things have been quiet for the [[Autobot]]s in the months since the return of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Hate Plague]] crisis. Not a word has been heard of the [[Decepticon]]s in months. Who knows where they are. The answer? Right at their doorstep. Meanwhile, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] walks into a room to find Optimus on his knees. Optimus claims that he has been having visions since he opened the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], and it's something big. Goldbug informs Optimus of the approaching Decepticon force, and Optimus realizes that what ever he's been sensing, it's starting right now.

[[File:Rebirth 1 Autobots Decepticons fight.JPG|left|upright=1.1|thumb|A truly epic battle.]]

Leading the Autobots out, the Decepticons attack. The Technobots and the [[Throttlebot]]s take point, but the Decepticons have gotten some new raw power in [[Apeface]] and [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]], while [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] has some fun with [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)|Lightspeed]]. However, [[Punch (G1)|Punch]] sees [[Wingspan]] and [[Pounce]] enter into Autobot City. [[Transformation|Transforming]] into Counterpunch, he follows to check up on their progress, where he sees them steal something from the vaults. The Clones quickly dispatch Punch, and take their prize to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. Having claimed what they wanted, [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] orders a retreat. Optimus, realizing this was a diversion, runs into Autobot City, finding Punch and the vault. Horrified, Optimus orders everyone to board the ships and head for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

On Cybertron, [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] is racing with [[Hot Rod/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]], with [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] riding in Hot Rod. Blurr, however, loses control, while Daniel shoots several Decepticon targets and wins the race. [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] claims that this is evidence of his theory that human partners would be able to assist the Autobots in the war with the Decepticons. [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] and [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] are unsure of the idea. However, Optimus contacts the Autobots, telling them Galvatron stole the [[Key to the Plasma Energy Chamber|Key]] to the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]]. This was the forge which was used to create the bodies of the original Autobots. Since the [[Quintesson]] rebellion, the key has been in the safekeeping of the Autobot leaders, who have been tasked with guarding the key with their [[Spark|lives]]. However, Galvatron intends to open the chamber and destroy Cybertron. The Decepticons arrive, and chaos ensues. The [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] are quickly taken down by [[Sixshot]], who shows off [[to sell toys|all six forms]]!

[[File:Rebirth 1 Plasma energy Scourge.JPG|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Scourge never gets a break.]]

During the onslaught, Kup and Hot Rod's team notice Scourge heading for the Plasma Energy Chamber. They pursue in an attempt to stop him. When Scourge opens the chamber, he is nearly killed, but Spike and Cerebros manages to grab the key. The Autobots' ship is hit by a wave of energy from the Plasma Energy Chamber and is hurled off Cybertron itself. Discovering Scourge, the Decepticons reactivate him. Scourge explains what happened, and a team under [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] heads out to find the Autobots with the key.

[[File:Rebirth 1 Hive machines.JPG|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Oh, this is not going to end well...]]

Meanwhile, the Autobot ship crashes on Nebulon. With the engines fried, the Autobots and the Witwickys decide to look for civilization. They're soon spotted by [[Duros]] and [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]], who assume the Autobots are machines controlled by the [[Hive (G1)|Hive]] and alert the rest of their resistance group. The group soon captures the Autobots, and plans to destroy the Autobots with magnetic bombs, even though Spike tries to talk them down. However, the Decepticons show up. Spike finally convinces the Nebulons to release the Autobots. In the subsequent battle, Daniel is injured by Snapdragon, and Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]], [[Pointblank]] and [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] are taken captive. Some of the Autobots pursue them into the forest, but are quickly driven off by machines.

Back at the cave, [[Arcana]] and [[Firebolt (G1)|Firebolt]] manage to stabilize Daniel's condition, but the boy will have to be connected to life-support machinery. The [[Nebulan]] leader [[Gort]] explains that the Hive is a tyrannical group of telekinetics who have used machines to enslave Nebulon. The resistance members know the weak points of the machines, but they just don't have the firepower. Spike thinks that Brainstorm's idea of organic partners just might be the ticket. The Autobots agree to allow the Nebulons to use their heads as suits, except for Cerebros, who walks out, tired of fighting. [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] asks to be Daniel's partner, and Spike agrees. As they remove their heads, Spike declares that they are about to become [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]].

[[The Rebirth, Part 2|To be continued...]]

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Strafe (G1)|Strafe]] (1)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Goldbug]] (2)
*[[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)|Lightspeed]] (3)
*[[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]] (4)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (5)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (6)
*[[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]] (7)
*[[Nosecone (G1)|Nosecone]] (8)
*[[Freeway (G1)|Freeway]] (9)
*[[Wideload (G1)|Wideload]] (10)
*[[Searchlight (G1)|Searchlight]] (11)
*[[Chase (G1)|Chase]] (12)
*[[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]] (13)
*[[Punch (G1)|Punch]] (27)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (33)
*[[Hot Rod/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] (34)
*[[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] (37)
*[[Pointblank]] (38)
*[[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] (39)
*[[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] (40)
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (41)
*[[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] (42)
*[[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] (43)
*[[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] (44)
*[[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] (45)
*[[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] (46)
*[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (52)
*[[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] (53)
*[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (54)
*[[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (55)
*[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (56)
*[[Fastlane]] (60)
*[[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] (61)

|c2=
*[[Apeface]] (14)
*[[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] (15)
*[[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]] (16)
*[[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] (17)
*[[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]] (18)
*[[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] (19)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (20)
*[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] (21)
*[[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] (23)
*[[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]] (24)
*[[Wingspan]] (25)
*[[Pounce]] (26)
*[[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]] (28)
*[[Sinnertwin (G1)|Sinnertwin]] (29)
*[[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]] (30)
*[[Cutthroat (G1)|Cutthroat]] (31)
*[[Blot (G1)|Blot]] (32)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (47)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (48)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (49)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (50)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (51)
*[[Sixshot]] (57)
*[[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] (58)
*[[Triggerhappy]] (59)

|c3=
*[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] (35)
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (36)

|c4=
*[[Gort]] (62)
*[[Duros]] (63)
*[[Stylor]] (64)
*[[Arcana]] (65)
*[[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]] (66)
*[[Firebolt (G1)|Firebolt]] (67)
*[[Recoil (G1)|Recoil]] (68)
*[[Haywire]] (69)
*[[Peacemaker]] (70)
*[[Spoilsport]] (71)
}}

==Quotes==
[[File:Rebirth punch and counterpunch.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
'''Wingspan:''' "Beat it, Counterpunch! We don't need your help!" 
'''Counterpunch:''' "Fine. ''You'' deal with my Autobot counterpart. I've heard he's nearby." 
''[ducks around the corner, transforms to Punch]'' 
'''Punch:''' "...''Real'' nearby."
:—Punch, master of subtle hints, utters a classic line.

'''Kup''': It might give us the edge if the Decepticons ''did'' return. 
'''Crosshairs''': That's not gonna happen! 
'''Optimus''': Kup! Highbrow! The Decepticons are heading your way! 
'''Kup''': How many of 'em, Prime? 
'''Optimus''': ''All'' of them! 
'''Crosshairs''': 'Course, I ''have'' been wrong on one or two occasions.
:—Crosshairs ''really'' needs to think before he speaks.

"Sixshot, show them what a one-robot army is!" 
:—'''Galvatron''' prompts Sixshot to do the old sell-my-toy routine.

"Five up! Five down! It's like shooting Cyberducks in a barrel!" 
:—'''Sixshot''' mows down the Aerialbots with each of his alt modes.

'''Kup''': Prepare for crash landing! 
'''Pointblank''': How?? By thinking good thoughts?! 
'''Kup''': That would help!! 
:—Pointblank and Kup discuss Autobot emergency procedures.

'''Kup''': Ya know, this reminds me of the time my platoon was stranded on Regulon IV. There we were, only 700 of us against three whole [[Regulon metalmonger|Regulon metalmongers.]] 
'''Hot Rod''': Seven hundred of you? Against three of them?? Ah c'mon, Kup. 
'''Kup''': You've ever seen a Regulon metalmonger, lad? 
'''Hot Rod''': Uhhh...No. 
'''Kup''': Trust me. We were outnumbered. 
:—Kup's platoon isn't always outnumbered. But when it is, it's by three guys.

"My one wish... is to ''never'' fight again."
:—'''Cerebros''', so pacifistic he won't even fight to help his friends.

"I suppose it's the only meritorious way out of our meretricious situation." 
"Yeah, me too. Like he said."
:—'''Highbrow''' and '''Hardhead''' on becoming Headmasters.

==Season 5==
{{note|When this episode was rebroadcast in [[The Transformers (cartoon)#Season 5|the fifth season]] of ''The Transformers'', it contained new bookending segments with original story material.}}

[[File:TommyWhining.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right]]

[[Tommy Kennedy (G1)|Tommy]] meets with [[Powermaster]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] with "the greatest idea ever". Tommy says he wants to be turned into a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]! Optimus tries to tell him that becoming a Headmaster isn't so easy, but Tommy doesn't understand. Prime figures that if he knew the origin of the Headmasters, he might get it...

Tommy starts pouting, claiming that [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] is "one lucky kid" for getting mauled half to death and thus becoming a Headmaster. Prime informs him that being a Headmaster isn't an answer to all of life's problems. He tries to tell him about the Decepticon Headmasters and how much trouble they're going to make for the Autobot Headmasters, but Tommy just brushes his warnings off and insists on going through the Headmaster process. Prime laments, "You're not gonna let me talk you out of this, are you?" but delays Tommy's gratification. Apparently, [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]] is going into the shop for some minor retooling and he promised he'd be there. Blasting off, he promises to be back soon to transform Tommy's day into an adventure.

{{--}}

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
*AKOM continues their proud tradition of using the wrong color models. Thus, throughout the episode:
**Goldbug's mouthplate is gold instead of white.
**Optimus Prime's backpack, fog lights and forehead crest are white instead of red / red / blue, respectively.
**Scourge's head can be seen sticking out of the top of his hovercraft mode.
**The inside of Ultra Magnus' head is red instead of gray.
*The side of Goldbug's head is yellow instead of black as he wonders if the Decepticons will remain scattered.
*Scattershot's a bad counter. His "about a hundred blips" is actually 28 blips.
*Then it's 39 blips in the closeup.
*The panels on either side of Ultra Magnus's forehead crest are white instead of blue as he walks in on Optimus Prime.
*Goldbug inexplicably has a starry night behind him as he reports the attack to Optimus Prime.
*The side of Wideload's load bed is entirely blue as he passes Rollbar. Only the cover should be blue; the rest should be orange.
*As he leaves the city, Wideload's bed sides are the correct orange, but the bed overhang over his cab is blue instead of orange.
*Strafe and Scattershot don't fly out of the door in Autobot City, but rather right out of the walls above the door.
*Wideload is shown transforming when Magnus orders the Technobots to charge, a bit odd since he's a ''Throttlebot''.
*Punch's mouth briefly disappears as Pounce tackles him.
*Scourge gets a radio muffle as he reports the theft of the key to Galvatron, even though he's right there on-screen.
*One of the Decepticons retreating from the Autobot City battle has Sureshot's color scheme.
*The Decepticons are shown entering the ''[[Revenge (G1)|Revenge]]'' ''through the engine port''... which then immediately lights up to propel the ship into space, presumably melting the entire Decepticon army to slag.
*Wingspan's gun sounds like Prime's rifle.
*Punch's mouth is missing as he points to where the key was stolen.
*As Daniel blasts the Cyclonus pop-up target, both the stick holding the target and the hole that it came from are missing.
*When Hot Rod first transforms to robot mode, the sides of his head are white and his spoiler is entirely yellow (it should be orange in the middle).
*Hardhead is consistently shown with the side of his visor yellow, rather than the blue that one might expect.
*When Crosshairs walks up to Brainstorm's group, he's drawn as a giant Pinpointer.
*The back of Prime's head is white as he and Magnus stand on the bridge of their shuttle.
*The group shot as Prime warns the Autobots not to let Galvatron open the chamber contains some odd members, including the giant Pinpointer, and Optimus Prime himself in Peacemaker's color scheme, but flipped.
*The ''Revenge'' somehow lands on Cybertron's surface without crushing the antenna on its bottom-most point.
*Scourge crawls down a Transformers-sized hatch. A dozen Autobots pursue him by ''getting aboard a shuttle'' and flying after him, though it's not clear if it's supposed to be the same hatch.
*Scourge is missing the pink on his fingernails as he approaches the Plasma Energy Chamber.
*Brainstorm's arm is clipped behind a panel during a shot inside the shuttle, making him look like he's standing outside of it.
*The orange shuttle suddenly has a lot of white as it flies past camera, following the 1st commercial break.
*Cyclonus's cockpit windows aren't colored in as Galvatron orders his troops to go with Scourge.
*Kup's helmet is light gray as he flees from the shuttle.
*The first two Nebulans' dialog is flanged as if they were Transformers.
*As we cut back to the battle on Cybertron, various Constructions, along with the Terrorcons Hun-grrr and Cutthroat, are show firing on... the Terrorcons Blot and Sinnertwin. Blot and Sinnertwin are fighting alongside Hot Spot and First Aid, the latter of whom is colored entirely white, missing his blue eyeband and red details.
*Hot Rod's missing his spoiler as he gets a magnetic bomb placed alongside him.
*As Hot Rod says, "You've got the wrong guys," he has several lines across his head crest instead of just one.
*If they're ''magnetic'' bombs, why do the Nebulans place them on the rocks of the cave walls?
*After the Decepticons arrive, various shots of the Autobots show no trace of the bombs.
*A giant Blowpipe is among the advancing Decepticons.
*Daniel is gnawed and thrown around by Snapdragon, and yet, his uniform remains squeaky clean and show no signs of damage despite Daniel's injuries being described as 'severe'. That must be some tough fabric they use in the future.
*As the Autobots approach the forest, Chromedome and Hardhead both have Nebulans transforming to form their heads, even though they haven't yet undergone the Headmaster process!

===Continuity errors===
*Goldbug and the Technobots reminisce about all the "loose parts" knocked from the Decepticons after Optimus Prime was resurrected. When did that happen, exactly?
*Scattershot claims there's "about a hundred" Decepticons heading towards Autobot City, but the attacking force shown on-screen is only a fraction of that number (Galvatron, 5 future Targetmasters, 5 future Headmasters, 2 clones, 5 Terrorcons = 18 total. If we're generous and include additional Decepticons shown on Cybertron, we can add 6 Constructicons, Sixshot, and 5 Combaticons for a total of 30. Nope, still not a hundred!)
*Furthermore, for a group that's supposed to include "every Decepticon in the known universe", there are some conspicuous absences - the Sweeps, Soundwave, the Predacons and the Stunticons are nowhere to be seen. (Quite a few were phased out of the show because [[to sell toys|their toys were no longer on the shelves]].)
*Where did Galvatron get all those troops from anyway? Did he somehow build a ton of sentient new robots on his own, or were they scattered around the galaxy?
*The outside of the city is already smoking (burning?) before the Decepticons start their attack or fire a single shot.
*Soooo.... why do the Autobots rush headlong to meet their attackers instead of [[The Transformers: The Movie|transforming the city to battle station mode]]?

[[File:TheRebirth pt1 Punch FAILS.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*Pounce and Wingspan probably aren't the smartest guys around but even they can't be stupid enough to fall for Punch's "My Autobot counterpart is nearby" crap.
*Why isn't Cerebros affected by the Plasma Energy when he gets out with Spike to grab the key? It takes Scourge down almost instantly but he doesn't even flinch from it.
*Since when is Scourge big enough to carry a full-sized Transformer as a passenger?
*Lost in the vastness of space, the Autobot ship somehow manages to hit a planet? Cosmically improbable.
*For a ship supposedly moving a million miles per ''second'' (five times the speed of light), with no retro-rockets, the Autobot shuttle makes an incredibly soft landing on Nebulos, splashing down as though it were dropped from about 10 feet up. At that speed, the ship would have incinerated in orbit or, if it made it down intact, slammed into the planet with enough force to do incredible damage. (On the flip side, the million-miles-per-second thing does explain how they got to a completely different planet.)
*As is the norm for just about any children's cartoon, aliens on far-off planets speak perfect English. (And what ever happened to the [[universal greeting]]??)
*Considering they "hate all machines", the resistance sure do have a lot of machines set up in their caves.
*Crosshairs seriously just ''stands there'' and lets Mindwipe carry him off. He's shown unharmed and awake, even though he was among the first to get blasted in the Decepticon assault and was probably intended to be unconscious like the rest of the Autobots taken prisoner.
*Hasn't Arcee ever heard that you're not supposed to move the victim?! She picks up the unconscious Daniel for no other reason than to display affection.
*Gort's description of the Hive ("ten rulers", great mental powers) doesn't really accord with the Tech Spec descriptions of some of Zarak's allies. This wouldn't be a discrepancy within the cartoon, but guys like Nightstick and Fracas act less like super-mental-power rulers and more like the bullies and brutes described in their bios.
*Brainstorm is shown drawing on paper with a manual triangle. Twenty more years into the future, and the super advanced space robots ''still'' [[The Master Builders (episode)|haven't switched to a computer drafting system]].
*There's a line about where to put human-sized controllers into Autobots in robot mode, even though [[Only Human|it was done before]] without any modification.
*Arcana mentions that releasing the Autobots to fight the Decepticons would leave them with twenty machines to deal with instead of just ten. However, there are more than 20 as there are ''12'' Autobots and ''10'' Decepticons. Arcana is, of course, being conversational, not strictly mathematical.

===Continuity notes===
[[File:Rebirth1 CyclonusSixshot.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|"Where did you come from again?" "Whaddaya mean? I was always here."]]
[[File:Targetmasters.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Typical commercial animation.]]
[[File:Rebirth1 Fastlane Cloudraker Punch.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Typical AKOM crap.]]
*This episode takes place several months after "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2]]".
*Almost two dozen Transformers make their debuts in this episode. As usual, there's no fuss over where they came from; they're just there.
*Similarly, quite a few familiar faces are gone with no explanation: Springer, the Sweeps, Sky Lynx, Blaster, and Soundwave, just to name a few. In real-life terms, they were removed from the show to make room for new toys.
*Following their abrupt debut in "The Return of Optimus Prime", the Throttlebots get a ''wee'' bit more attention in this episode, though only Rollbar (making his first appearance) actually gets referred to by name. Chase is not shown speaking at any point, but it's fun to imagine that the voice emanating from the Autobot City loudspeaker (credited only as "P.A. voice" on the episode's casting sheet) that warns of a Decepticon attack is him, as it's delivered by Rob Paulsen, the actor cast for Chase.
*While discussing the Headmaster creation procedure with Chromedome, Brainstorm mentions that it's possible for a Transformer to "download (their memories and personalities) into the auxiliary memory circuits in their chests". Assuming that the aforementioned hardware is a standard feature in all Transformers, it might explain why [[Death|death is just a wee bit inconsistent in fiction]]. Not bad for a throwaway line!
*We're introduced to the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]], a "foundry in which the original Autobots' bodies were forged." In practice, the chamber acts less like a foundry and more like a generator gone wild.
*Daniel getting injured and requiring a robotic body (or in this case, Exo-suit) to survive is reminiscent of [[Autobot X (G1)|a somewhat similar incident involving his father]]. This works out a lot better.

===Trivia===
*"The Rebirth, Part 1", was to be the fourth season premiere, but due to declining interest, it simply was the first of the three final episodes (originally conceived as a ''five''-part story), in which a slew of new characters and concepts were introduced, most notably the US animated version of the Headmasters.
*Like "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]" before it, the "Rebirth" mini-series also got its own introductory [[title sequence]], consisting of some parts of the Season 3 titles spliced together with animation segments from the 1987 toy [[commercial]]s. Unfortunately, the contrast in art and animation quality between the Season 3 credits (animated on the usual low [[AKOM]] budget) and the much higher-quality commercial snippets is jarring, to say the least.
[[File:Rebirth1 Hardhead and Blurr.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|"Ssh, ssh, ssh. It's alright. Don't struggle. Walk into the light."]]
*Your wiki editors will leave it up to the reader to interpret the image at right.

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' '''Die Wiedergeburt, Teil 1''' ("The Rebirth, Part 1")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' '''Headmaster Tanjō''' (ヘッドマスター誕生, "The Headmasters Are Born")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[1996]] (home video); [[July 21]], [[2007]] (broadcast)
::*"The Rebirth" was not initially dubbed for Japanese release, instead being replaced by the domestic series ''[[Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)|Transformers: The Headmasters]]''. The episodes were eventually dubbed in 1996 as special features on [[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer]]'s [[Wikipedia:LaserDisc|LaserDisc]] and DVD collections. "The Rebirth" received its first Japanese television broadcast in [[2007]], airing on [[Cartoon Network|Cartoon Network Japan]].
::*To further distinguish "The Rebirth" from the continuity of the Japanese series, it was released with the American ''The Transformers'' branding and [[title sequence]]. With a few exceptions (such as "Convoy"), most of the characters are referred to by their Western names. For instance, [[Hot Rod/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] is not called "Hot Rodimus", [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] is not called "Chear" and so on.
::*With the exception of [[Tesshō Genda]] (Convoy), [[Seizō Katō]] (Galvatron), and [[Issei Masamune]] ([[narrator]]), all characters were recast with new actors.
::*Voice direction for the 1996 dubbing of "The Rebirth" was conducted by [[Shōzō Tajima]].
::*Due to having been released straight-to-video, this is one of the few episodes of ''The Transformers'' not to have been edited for time in Japan. As such, Japanese DVD and laserdisc releases include an optional English audio track for the episode.

'''Hebrew'''
:*''Title:'' '''המטאורים''' ("The Meteors")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 1987 — ''Transformers'' — Die Wiedergeburt (Erster Teil) ([[Polyband]]) — German audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1988 — ''Transformers'' — Headmasters: The Rebirth (Parts, 1, 2 & 3) ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1989 — ''Transformers'' — Headmasters / The Return of Optimus Prime (Tempo Video) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1991 — ''Transformers'' — Headmasters / The Return of Optimus Prime / Cosmic Rust (Tempo Video) 
[[File:Flag of Canada.png|20px|Canada]] 1998 — ''The Transformers: Generation 2'' — Rebirth: The Movie ([[Malofilm|Behaviour Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2001 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Heroes: The Rebirth ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;[[Wikipedia:LaserDisc|LaserDisc]]
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1996 — ''Transformers: The Headmasters'' Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — English and Japanese audio.
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' — DVD Box (Pioneer LDC) — English and Japanese audio. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2001 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Heroes: The Rebirth ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — ''Transformers'' — Complete Original Series: Deluxe Edition ([[Maverick Entertainment|Sony Wonder]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2002 — ''Transformers'' — The Rebirth: Parts 1-3 (Sony Wonder) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 2 & Season 4 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 3 and Season 4 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2005 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 6: Series 4 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — Box-Set (3DVDs) ([[Flex Media]]) — German audio only. 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2008 — ''Transformers'' — Box-Set (2DVDs) (Flex Media) — German audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season's Three & Four {{sic}} (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2010 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.com/cartoon-dossier/season-4/synopses/6701-01.html Episode Dossier at The Cybertron Chronicle]

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Spoilsport

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Levyshahar: /* Generation 1 */

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:''Spoilsport is an [[Autobot]] [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Spoilsport MTMTE.jpg|right|197px|thumb|So you don't like spoilers? MEGATRON KILLS OPTIMUS PRIME!]]

'''Spoilsport''' has a rather appropriate moniker, given that he spoils the fun of his partner [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] by being an equally good marksman. In a contest between an intelligent gun and an intelligent gunner, the gun gets a majority vote. His partner resents his interference, and in his turn, Spoilsport resents Sureshot for his lack of appreciation. It can't help that Sureshot is a jerk, of course, and presumably he ''never calls''.

Spoilsport's nature varies by universe; in most, he is an organic [[Nebulan]], though in others he is a robotic lifeform from the planet [[Master (planet)|Master]].

{{quote|Spoilsport's the name, and there ain't a target I can't hit! Haha!|Spoilsport}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
{{noteukonly}}
{{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}
{{storylink|Worlds Apart!}}
{{storylink|The Desert Island of Space!}}
{{charstubfiction}}

===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Danny Mann]] (English), [[Kenichi Sakaguchi]] (Japanese)|[[Bernd Simon]] (German)}}
[[Image:Rebirth1 Spoilsport.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Spoilsport? More like Mr. Grumpy.]]
Spoilsport was part of [[Gort]]'s group of rebel Nebulans. When Targetmaster technology was stolen from the [[Decepticon]]s, Spoilsport and Sureshot teamed together. Shortly after the process was completed, he boasted to the Autobot leader [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] that there wasn't a target he couldn't hit (only for [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]] to outboast him). During the later battle against the Decepticons, Sureshot instructed him to blast the enemy, and he complied with pleasure. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}} {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}} Like the rest of the Nebulan rebels, he accompanied the Autobots back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and helped to defeat the Decepticons and bring about a new [[Golden Age]] on the planet. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}
{{--}}

===''The Headmasters'' cartoon===
[[Image:Pre-Targetmasters.jpg|thumb|200px|left]]
Spoil and his five friends were refugees, having fled their home planet of [[Master (planet)|Master]] when [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] and the Decepticons began an all-out siege on the world. They were being chased through space in their starship by the Decepticons when they came across the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Battleship Maximus]]. [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]] gave them safe haven aboard his starship, and the Master citizens attempted to show their gratitude by removing the deadly [[plasma energy]] bombs Fortress was trying to dispose of. Their efforts came too late, however, as the plasma energy bombs exploded aboard their ship in space, bathing everyone nearby with energy. {{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}}

Spoil survived the explosion, and in fact underwent a miraculous transformation. He and two of his fellow refugees were each now binary bonded to one of the Autobot warriors who had been trying to save them when the plasma bombs went off. The smaller Master warriors could each transform into a powerful weapon and fuse with their larger partner's fist, creating Targetmasters. Spoil and his new partner Sureshot became soldiers together under Fortress's command. {{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 2)}}

[[Image:HM 30 Targetmasters sneak in.jpg|thumb|200px]]

In a battle for the data of the [[Master Sword]], Spoil bonded with Sureshot to fight the Decepticons. {{Storylink|The Master Sword Is in Danger!!}} Spoil again joined his partner when the Autobot Targetmasters landed on Master to investigate the possible presence of the Decepticons. The two forces battled each other, and the Decepticons were able to wash the Autobots away in a surge of water from an elevated lake. They were eventually able to pull themselves out of the new river and scouted the area for the hidden Decepticons, finding their cave hideout. As they were much smaller than their partners, [[Peacemaker|Peaceman]], [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pointech]], and Spoil volunteered to go ahead, using a small entrance into the factory where the Decepticons were creating the [[Zarak Shield]]. When their larger partners again came under attack by the Decepticon Targetmasters, they left the complex and rejoined their comrades, helping force the Decepticons into retreat. {{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}}

[[Image:HM 30 Spoil bonded with Sureshot.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]

With the Zarak Shield now known to the Autobots, they had a meeting to discuss strategy, which Spoil sat in. Following [[Pointblank]]'s strategy, the smaller Targetmaster partners joined in an advance part to find the Decepticons. They were soon attacked by the Decepticons, who had detected them. During battle, the Decepticons were distracted by an aircraft sent by the natives of Master, allowing the Autobots to escape. {{storylink|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}} After the Decepticons left Master for [[Earth]], the Autobots followed. When Daniel was trapped at [[Daira]], the Targetmasters went ahead to keep watch on Scorponok while the others rescued Daniel. {{storylink|My Friend Sixshot!}} They were spotted in the [[asteroid belt]] and pulled into a battle. The other Autobots came to their rescue, and the fighting ended when [[Sixshot]] challenged [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] to battle. {{storylink|Duel on the Asteroid}}

When the Autobots arrived on Earth, the Targetmasters were sent to investigate the [[Death Tower]] in [[Santiago]], [[Chile]]. They met with [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], who was easily taken down by Peacemaker and Pointblank, and returned to the other Autobots with their data. {{Storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} The Autobots soon went to [[Giza (region)|Giza]], [[Egypt]], to catch the Death Tower there before it emerged. Spoil later joined the Autobots in the decisive battle at the [[Arctic|North Pole]] and the [[Final Formation]] that ended Scorponok's machinations on Earth. {{Storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

===Toy pack-in material===
When Optimus became stranded on Cybertron's hemisphere of darkness with his memory damaged, Spoilsport joined a small strike force of Autobots called H.O.P.E. ([[Help Optimus Prime Escape]]) to retrieve him. {{Storylink|Optimus Prime Is Back}}

===3H comics===
Sureshot wielded Spoilsport during a battle with an army of [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbirds]]. {{storylink|Departure}}

==Commercial appearances==
*When the Transformers' war resumed its course on [[Nebulos|Nebulon]], Spoilsport accompanied [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] into battle. They fought alongside their fellow Autobot [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]] against their Decepticon counterparts, while [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] grappled in the distance. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Headmaster comic book|Headmaster comic book commercial}}
*Spoilsport aided Sureshot in battling against [[Triggerhappy]] in the middle of a Cybertronian city. Both of the larger combatants fired their weapons at one another until they were within grappling range. As Sureshot and Triggerhappy wrestled, Spoilsport and [[Blowpipe (G1)|Blowpipe]] transformed and did the same. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Targetmasters|Targetmasters commercial}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:G1-toy Spoilsport.jpg|right|300px|thumb|right|Yeah, I shoot out of my butt. You got a problem with that?]]
*'''Sureshot''' (Targetmaster, 1987)
**''ID number:'' '''C-105'''

: Available only with his larger partner Sureshot, Spoilsport transforms into a double-barreled blaster. In weapon mode he can either be a hand-held gun or mounted on Sureshot's roof via [[5mm post]]s.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Sureshot/sureshot.htm More information on Spoilsport (with Sureshot) at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===United===
*'''Spoilsport''' (Targetmaster Micron, [[March 5|3-05]]-2011)

: A [[redeco]] of ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' [[Airlift (PCC)|Airlift]], Spoilsport transforms into a double-barreled gun that can be held by any toy using [[5mm post|5mm weapon-mount points]]. He was only available as part of the ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' "Movie Preview Campaign" at Bic Camera and Yodobashi Camera stores on [[March 5]]th, given away with the purchase of over 3000 yen worth of ''Transformers'' product.

: His instructions only show the hand-held mode (held by [[Kup (G1)#United|''United'' Kup]] since there is no modern Sureshot for him to partner with), but as he is a ''Power Core Combiners'' Mini-Con mold, he can also be converted into a compact weapon meant for vehicle-mode use (attached by his [[Powerlinx]] socket), plus an "armor" mode that connects to a ''Power Core Combiners'' [[Commander (PCC)|Commander]] toy's chest or back-mounted [[Powerlinx]] plug for use in either of their robot modes.

: This mold was also used to make [[Recoil (G1)|Recoil]] and [[Deduce]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Cybertron/Spoilsport/spoilsport.htm More information on ''United'' Spoilsport at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
*Spoil's [[character model]] differs from Spoilsport's. Oddly, it does not seem to have ever been published anywhere, with new artwork by [[Ban Magami]] used in various Japanese publications alongside the models for the other 5 Targetmaster companions.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Spoil''' (スポイル ''Supoiru''), '''Spoilsport''' (The Rebirth, スポイルスポート ''Supoirusupōto'')

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Sureshot Sureshot and Spoilsport's ''Universe'' profile at NFTA.net]

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[[Category:Mini-Cons]]
[[Category:Nebulans]]
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Alex Milne

2016-07-22T16:04:23Z

Levyshahar: Milne was born in 1980

{{disambig3|Alex}}
[[File:Alexmilne.jpg|214px|thumb|Is... is that a lightning bolt behind him? Jesus, Dreamwave.]]
'''Alex Milne''' (born [[October 13]], 1980) is a [[Canada|Canadian]] artist who has done pencils on numerous ''Transformers'' titles.

Milne's ''Transformers'' work started with an ill-fated run at the end of Dreamwave's tenure, during which he was ghosting for [[Pat Lee|Superstar Patrick "Pat The Transman" Lee]], and unfortunately, not being paid very much (or at all) for his work. Pat Lee owed him more than $4,330.00 as of February 2005 - and that was ''before'' he started ghosting for Pat.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=14886# http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=14886#]</ref>

After Dreamwave folded, Milne was picked up by IDW, who presumably pay him a living wage. He penciled a number of live-action movie spin-off books and other miscellaneous titles. In 2012, he became the primary artist on IDW's ''More Than Meets the Eye'' series, drawing the bulk of its issues.

Milne's linework is noted for its high levels of detail, from complex backgrounds to precisely delineated mechanical greeblies on the Transformers themselves. Stylistically, Milne has shown the ability to emulate other artists' work, such as his Pat Lee-styled lines on ''Megatron: Origin''. For ''More Than Meets the Eye'', Milne designed many of the series' characters and settings, and by extension, much of its distinctive overall look. His work on the book has garnered high praise among fans, owing to his detailed character designs, complex action scenes and highly expressive characters.

{{bigquote|[F]rankly he was the best comic penciler on our roster at the time.|[[Pat Lee]] about Alex Milne during his stint at Dream Engine|[http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/12/20/pat-lee-talks-to-bleeding-cool-via-a-dabel-brother/ Interview with Rich Johnston] at Bleeding Cool Comics, December 2010}}

==Comic book interior art==
===Dreamwave Productions===
* [[Transformers: Energon (comic)|''Energon'']] #26–29, #31 (the latter was unreleased)

===Devil's Due Press===
* ''[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War]]'' #4, #5

===IDW Publishing===
[[File:Megatronorigintpb.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|I told you, NOBODY gets MEGATRON'S milk money!]]
* ''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]'' (all 4 issues; issue #2 Pages 1–11, 20–22 only)
* [[Transformers: Movie Adaptation|''Transformers'' (2007) Official ''Movie Adaptation'']] (all 4 issues)
* ''[[Spotlight: Arcee]]''
* ''[[Transformers: The Reign of Starscream|The Reign of Starscream]]''
*''[[Transformers: Alliance]]''
*''[[Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation issue 3]]''
*''[[Transformers: Tales of the Fallen|Tales of the Fallen]]'' ''[[Tales of the Fallen issue 5|#5 Ravage]]'', ''[[Tales of the Fallen issue 6|#6 Arcee]]''
*''[[The Transformers: Drift]]''
*''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' (issues 16-18, 22-23)
*''[[Alex Milne Sketchbook: The Transformers]]''
*''[[Transformers: Jazz]]''
*''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye]]'' #2–5, #7–12, #14–15, #17–21, #27–30, #32–33, #35-38, #41-43, #45-46, #50 (for main story, [[The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds)]], #51, #52, #53 (Pages 1-13, 19-20; with Hayato Sakamoto)

===Fun Publications===
* [[Games of Deception|Transformers ''Timelines'' Summer Special]]

==Transformers packaging art==
===Alternators===
* [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Alternators/Binaltech|Meister (original release)]]
* [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Alternators/Binaltech|Grimlock]]

==Gallery==
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''[[:Category:Images by Alex Milne|Extended Alex Milne gallery]]''</center>

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://markerguru.deviantart.com/ Alex Milne at deviantART]
*[https://twitter.com/markerguru Alex Milne's Twitter feed]
*[http://markerguru001.tumblr.com/ Alex Milne's Tumblr]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Milne, Alex}}
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[[Category:Colorists]]
[[Category:Dreamwave Productions]]
[[Category:IDW Publishing]]

The Rebirth, Part 1

2016-07-07T13:19:42Z

Levyshahar: /* Featured characters */ Sweeps were not there

{{episode
|image=Rebirth 1 Autobot heads.JPG
|caption=
|series=G1toon
|ep=96
|title="The Rebirth, Part 1"
|written by=[[David Wise]]
|animation studio=[[AKOM]]
|production code=6701-01
|airdate=[[November 9]], 1987
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''Galvatron invades Autobot City and then Cybertron with a plan to destroy the Autobots forever! This is something new?'''

==Synopsis==
[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Goldbug]] is talking with the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. Things have been quiet for the [[Autobot]]s in the months since the return of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Hate Plague]] crisis. Not a word has been heard of the [[Decepticon]]s in months. Who knows where they are. The answer? Right at their doorstep. Meanwhile, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] walks into a room to find Optimus on his knees. Optimus claims that he has been having visions since he opened the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], and it's something big. Goldbug informs Optimus of the approaching Decepticon force, and Optimus realizes that what ever he's been sensing, it's starting right now.

[[File:Rebirth 1 Autobots Decepticons fight.JPG|left|upright=1.1|thumb|A truly epic battle.]]

Leading the Autobots out, the Decepticons attack. The Technobots and the [[Throttlebot]]s take point, but the Decepticons have gotten some new raw power in [[Apeface]] and [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]], while [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] has some fun with [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)|Lightspeed]]. However, [[Punch (G1)|Punch]] sees [[Wingspan]] and [[Pounce]] enter into Autobot City. [[Transformation|Transforming]] into Counterpunch, he follows to check up on their progress, where he sees them steal something from the vaults. The Clones quickly dispatch Punch, and take their prize to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. Having claimed what they wanted, [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] orders a retreat. Optimus, realizing this was a diversion, runs into Autobot City, finding Punch and the vault. Horrified, Optimus orders everyone to board the ships and head for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

On Cybertron, [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] is racing with [[Hot Rod/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]], with [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] riding in Hot Rod. Blurr, however, loses control, while Daniel shoots several Decepticon targets and wins the race. [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] claims that this is evidence of his theory that human partners would be able to assist the Autobots in the war with the Decepticons. [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] and [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] are unsure of the idea. However, Optimus contacts the Autobots, telling them Galvatron stole the [[Key to the Plasma Energy Chamber|Key]] to the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]]. This was the forge which was used to create the bodies of the original Autobots. Since the [[Quintesson]] rebellion, the key has been in the safekeeping of the Autobot leaders, who have been tasked with guarding the key with their [[Spark|lives]]. However, Galvatron intends to open the chamber and destroy Cybertron. The Decepticons arrive, and chaos ensues. The [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] are quickly taken down by [[Sixshot]], who shows off [[to sell toys|all six forms]]!

[[File:Rebirth 1 Plasma energy Scourge.JPG|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Scourge never gets a break.]]

During the onslaught, Kup and Hot Rod's team notice Scourge heading for the Plasma Energy Chamber. They pursue in an attempt to stop him. When Scourge opens the chamber, he is nearly killed, but Spike and Cerebros manages to grab the key. The Autobots' ship is hit by a wave of energy from the Plasma Energy Chamber and is hurled off Cybertron itself. Discovering Scourge, the Decepticons reactivate him. Scourge explains what happened, and a team under [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] heads out to find the Autobots with the key.

[[File:Rebirth 1 Hive machines.JPG|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Oh, this is not going to end well...]]

Meanwhile, the Autobot ship crashes on Nebulon. With the engines fried, the Autobots and the Witwickys decide to look for civilization. They're soon spotted by [[Duros]] and [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]], who assume the Autobots are machines controlled by the [[Hive (G1)|Hive]] and alert the rest of their resistance group. The group soon captures the Autobots, and plans to destroy the Autobots with magnetic bombs, even though Spike tries to talk them down. However, the Decepticons show up. Spike finally convinces the Nebulons to release the Autobots. In the subsequent battle, Daniel is injured by Snapdragon, and Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]], [[Pointblank]] and [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] are taken captive. Some of the Autobots pursue them into the forest, but are quickly driven off by machines.

Back at the cave, [[Arcana]] and [[Firebolt (G1)|Firebolt]] manage to stabilize Daniel's condition, but the boy will have to be connected to life-support machinery. The [[Nebulan]] leader [[Gort]] explains that the Hive is a tyrannical group of telekinetics who have used machines to enslave Nebulon. The resistance members know the weak points of the machines, but they just don't have the firepower. Spike thinks that Brainstorm's idea of organic partners just might be the ticket. The Autobots agree to allow the Nebulons to use their heads as suits, except for Cerebros, who walks out, tired of fighting. [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] asks to be Daniel's partner, and Spike agrees. As they remove their heads, Spike declares that they are about to become [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]].

[[The Rebirth, Part 2|To be continued...]]

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Strafe (G1)|Strafe]] (1)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Goldbug]] (2)
*[[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)|Lightspeed]] (3)
*[[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]] (4)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (5)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (6)
*[[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]] (7)
*[[Nosecone (G1)|Nosecone]] (8)
*[[Freeway (G1)|Freeway]] (9)
*[[Wideload (G1)|Wideload]] (10)
*[[Searchlight (G1)|Searchlight]] (11)
*[[Chase (G1)|Chase]] (12)
*[[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]] (13)
*[[Punch (G1)|Punch]] (27)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (33)
*[[Hot Rod/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] (34)
*[[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] (37)
*[[Pointblank]] (38)
*[[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] (39)
*[[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] (40)
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (41)
*[[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] (42)
*[[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] (43)
*[[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] (44)
*[[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] (45)
*[[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] (46)
*[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (52)
*[[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] (53)
*[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (54)
*[[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (55)
*[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (56)
*[[Fastlane]] (60)
*[[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] (61)

|c2=
*[[Apeface]] (14)
*[[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] (15)
*[[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]] (16)
*[[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] (17)
*[[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]] (18)
*[[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] (19)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (20)
*[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] (21)
*[[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] (23)
*[[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]] (24)
*[[Wingspan]] (25)
*[[Pounce]] (26)
*[[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]] (28)
*[[Sinnertwin (G1)|Sinnertwin]] (29)
*[[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]] (30)
*[[Cutthroat (G1)|Cutthroat]] (31)
*[[Blot (G1)|Blot]] (32)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (47)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (48)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (49)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (50)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (51)
*[[Sixshot]] (57)
*[[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] (58)
*[[Triggerhappy]] (59)

|c3=
*[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] (35)
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (36)

|c4=
*[[Gort]] (62)
*[[Duros]] (63)
*[[Stylor]] (64)
*[[Arcana]] (65)
*[[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]] (66)
*[[Firebolt (G1)|Firebolt]] (67)
*[[Recoil (G1)|Recoil]] (68)
*[[Haywire]] (69)
*[[Peacemaker]] (70)
*[[Spoilsport]] (71)
}}

==Quotes==
[[File:Rebirth punch and counterpunch.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
'''Wingspan:''' "Beat it, Counterpunch! We don't need your help!" 
'''Counterpunch:''' "Fine. ''You'' deal with my Autobot counterpart. I've heard he's nearby." 
''[ducks around the corner, transforms to Punch]'' 
'''Punch:''' "...''Real'' nearby."
:—Punch, master of subtle hints, utters a classic line.

'''Kup''': It might give us the edge if the Decepticons ''did'' return. 
'''Crosshairs''': That's not gonna happen! 
'''Optimus''': Kup! Highbrow! The Decepticons are heading your way! 
'''Kup''': How many of 'em, Prime? 
'''Optimus''': ''All'' of them! 
'''Crosshairs''': 'Course, I ''have'' been wrong on one or two occasions.
:—Crosshairs ''really'' needs to think before he speaks.

"Sixshot, show them what a one-robot army is!"
:—'''Galvatron''' prompts Sixshot to do the old sell-my-toy routine.

'''Kup''': Prepare for crash landing!. 
'''Point Blank''': How?? By thinking good thoughts?! 
'''Kup''': That would help!! 
:—Point Blank and Kup discuss Autobot emergency procedures.

'''Kup''': Ya know, this reminds me of the time my platoon was stranded on Regulon IV. There we were, only 700 of us against three whole [[Regulon metalmonger|Regulon metalmongers.]] 
'''Hot Rod''': Seven hundred of you? Against three of them?? Ah c'mon, Kup. 
'''Kup''': You've ever seen a Regulon metalmonger, lad? 
'''Hot Rod''': Uhhh...No. 
'''Kup''': Trust me. We were outnumbered. 
:—Kup's platoon isn't always outnumbered. But when it is, it's by three guys.

"My one wish... is to ''never'' fight again."
:—'''Cerebros''', so pacifistic he won't even fight to help his friends.

"I suppose it's the only meritorious way out of our meretricious situation." 
"Yeah, me too. Like he said."
:—'''Highbrow''' and '''Hardhead''' on becoming Headmasters.

==Season 5==
{{note|When this episode was rebroadcast in [[The Transformers (cartoon)#Season 5|the fifth season]] of ''The Transformers'', it contained new bookending segments with original story material.}}

[[File:TommyWhining.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right]]

[[Tommy Kennedy (G1)|Tommy]] meets with [[Powermaster]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] with "the greatest idea ever". Tommy says he wants to be turned into a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]! Optimus tries to tell him that becoming a Headmaster isn't so easy, but Tommy doesn't understand. Prime figures that if he knew the origin of the Headmasters, he might get it...

Tommy starts pouting, claiming that [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] is "one lucky kid" for getting mauled half to death and thus becoming a Headmaster. Prime informs him that being a Headmaster isn't an answer to all of life's problems. He tries to tell him about the Decepticon Headmasters and how much trouble they're going to make for the Autobot Headmasters, but Tommy just brushes his warnings off and insists on going through the Headmaster process. Prime laments, "You're not gonna let me talk you out of this, are you?" but delays Tommy's gratification. Apparently, [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]] is going into the shop for some minor retooling and he promised he'd be there. Blasting off, he promises to be back soon to transform Tommy's day into an adventure.

{{--}}

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
*AKOM continues their proud tradition of using the wrong color models. Thus, throughout the episode:
**Goldbug's mouthplate is gold instead of white.
**Optimus Prime's backpack, fog lights and forehead crest are white instead of red / red / blue, respectively.
**Scourge's head can be seen sticking out of the top of his hovercraft mode.
**The inside of Ultra Magnus' head is red instead of gray.
*The side of Goldbug's head is yellow instead of black as he wonders if the Decepticons will remain scattered.
*Scattershot's a bad counter. His "about a hundred blips" is actually 28 blips.
*Then it's 39 blips in the closeup.
*The panels on either side of Ultra Magnus's forehead crest are white instead of blue as he walks in on Optimus Prime.
*Goldbug inexplicably has a starry night behind him as he reports the attack to Optimus Prime.
*The side of Wideload's load bed is entirely blue as he passes Rollbar. Only the cover should be blue; the rest should be orange.
*As he leaves the city, Wideload's bed sides are the correct orange, but the bed overhang over his cab is blue instead of orange.
*Strafe and Scattershot don't fly out of the door in Autobot City, but rather right out of the walls above the door.
*Wideload is shown transforming when Magnus orders the Technobots to charge, a bit odd since he's a ''Throttlebot''.
*Punch's mouth briefly disappears as Pounce tackles him.
*Scourge gets a radio muffle as he reports the theft of the key to Galvatron, even though he's right there on-screen.
*One of the Decepticons retreating from the Autobot City battle has Sureshot's color scheme.
*The Decepticons are shown entering the ''[[Revenge (G1)|Revenge]]'' ''through the engine port''... which then immediately lights up to propel the ship into space, presumably melting the entire Decepticon army to slag.
*Wingspan's gun sounds like Prime's rifle.
*Punch's mouth is missing as he points to where the key was stolen.
*As Daniel blasts the Cyclonus pop-up target, both the stick holding the target and the hole that it came from are missing.
*When Hot Rod first transforms to robot mode, the sides of his head are white and his spoiler is entirely yellow (it should be orange in the middle).
*Hardhead is consistently shown with the side of his visor yellow, rather than the blue that one might expect.
*When Crosshairs walks up to Brainstorm's group, he's drawn as a giant Pinpointer.
*The back of Prime's head is white as he and Magnus stand on the bridge of their shuttle.
*The group shot as Prime warns the Autobots not to let Galvatron open the chamber contains some odd members, including the giant Pinpointer, and Optimus Prime himself in Peacemaker's color scheme, but flipped.
*The ''Revenge'' somehow lands on Cybertron's surface without crushing the antenna on its bottom-most point.
*Scourge crawls down a Transformers-sized hatch. A dozen Autobots pursue him by ''getting aboard a shuttle'' and flying after him, though it's not clear if it's supposed to be the same hatch.
*Scourge is missing the pink on his fingernails as he approaches the Plasma Energy Chamber.
*Brainstorm's arm is clipped behind a panel during a shot inside the shuttle, making him look like he's standing outside of it.
*The orange shuttle suddenly has a lot of white as it flies past camera, following the 1st commercial break.
*Cyclonus's cockpit windows aren't colored in as Galvatron orders his troops to go with Scourge.
*Kup's helmet is light gray as he flees from the shuttle.
*The first two Nebulans' dialog is flanged as if they were Transformers.
*As we cut back to the battle on Cybertron, various Constructions, along with the Terrorcons Hun-grrr and Cutthroat, are show firing on... the Terrorcons Blot and Sinnertwin. Blot and Sinnertwin are fighting alongside Hot Spot and First Aid, the latter of whom is colored entirely white, missing his blue eyeband and red details.
*Hot Rod's missing his spoiler as he gets a magnetic bomb placed alongside him.
*As Hot Rod says, "You've got the wrong guys," he has several lines across his head crest instead of just one.
*If they're ''magnetic'' bombs, why do the Nebulans place them on the rocks of the cave walls?
*After the Decepticons arrive, various shots of the Autobots show no trace of the bombs.
*A giant Blowpipe is among the advancing Decepticons.
*Daniel is gnawed and thrown around by Snapdragon, and yet, his uniform remains squeaky clean and show no signs of damage despite Daniel's injuries being described as 'severe'. That must be some tough fabric they use in the future.
*As the Autobots approach the forest, Chromedome and Hardhead both have Nebulans transforming to form their heads, even though they haven't yet undergone the Headmaster process!

===Continuity errors===
*Goldbug and the Technobots reminisce about all the "loose parts" knocked from the Decepticons after Optimus Prime was resurrected. When did that happen, exactly?
*Scattershot claims there's "about a hundred" Decepticons heading towards Autobot City, but the attacking force shown on-screen is only a fraction of that number (Galvatron, 5 future Targetmasters, 5 future Headmasters, 2 clones, 5 Terrorcons = 18 total. If we're generous and include additional Decepticons shown on Cybertron, we can add 6 Constructicons, Sixshot, and 5 Combaticons for a total of 30. Nope, still not a hundred!)
*Furthermore, for a group that's supposed to include "every Decepticon in the known universe", there are some conspicuous absences - the Sweeps, Soundwave, the Predacons and the Stunticons are nowhere to be seen. (Quite a few were phased out of the show because [[to sell toys|their toys were no longer on the shelves]].)
*Where did Galvatron get all those troops from anyway? Did he somehow build a ton of sentient new robots on his own, or were they scattered around the galaxy?
*The outside of the city is already smoking (burning?) before the Decepticons start their attack or fire a single shot.
*Soooo.... why do the Autobots rush headlong to meet their attackers instead of [[The Transformers: The Movie|transforming the city to battle station mode]]?

[[File:TheRebirth pt1 Punch FAILS.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*Pounce and Wingspan probably aren't the smartest guys around but even they can't be stupid enough to fall for Punch's "My Autobot counterpart is nearby" crap.
*Why isn't Cerebros affected by the Plasma Energy when he gets out with Spike to grab the key? It takes Scourge down almost instantly but he doesn't even flinch from it.
*Since when is Scourge big enough to carry a full-sized Transformer as a passenger?
*Lost in the vastness of space, the Autobot ship somehow manages to hit a planet? Cosmically improbable.
*For a ship supposedly moving a million miles per ''second'' (five times the speed of light), with no retro-rockets, the Autobot shuttle makes an incredibly soft landing on Nebulos, splashing down as though it were dropped from about 10 feet up. At that speed, the ship would have incinerated in orbit or, if it made it down intact, slammed into the planet with enough force to do incredible damage. (On the flip side, the million-miles-per-second thing does explain how they got to a completely different planet.)
*As is the norm for just about any children's cartoon, aliens on far-off planets speak perfect English. (And what ever happened to the [[universal greeting]]??)
*Considering they "hate all machines", the resistance sure do have a lot of machines set up in their caves.
*Crosshairs seriously just ''stands there'' and lets Mindwipe carry him off. He's shown unharmed and awake, even though he was among the first to get blasted in the Decepticon assault and was probably intended to be unconscious like the rest of the Autobots taken prisoner.
*Hasn't Arcee ever heard that you're not supposed to move the victim?! She picks up the unconscious Daniel for no other reason than to display affection.
*Gort's description of the Hive ("ten rulers", great mental powers) doesn't really accord with the Tech Spec descriptions of some of Zarak's allies. This wouldn't be a discrepancy within the cartoon, but guys like Nightstick and Fracas act less like super-mental-power rulers and more like the bullies and brutes described in their bios.
*Brainstorm is shown drawing on paper with a manual triangle. Twenty more years into the future, and the super advanced space robots ''still'' [[The Master Builders (episode)|haven't switched to a computer drafting system]].
*There's a line about where to put human-sized controllers into Autobots in robot mode, even though [[Only Human|it was done before]] without any modification.
*Arcana mentions that releasing the Autobots to fight the Decepticons would leave them with twenty machines to deal with instead of just ten. However, there are more than 20 as there are ''12'' Autobots and ''10'' Decepticons. Arcana is, of course, being conversational, not strictly mathematical.

===Continuity notes===
[[File:Rebirth1 CyclonusSixshot.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|"Where did you come from again?" "Whaddaya mean? I was always here."]]
[[File:Targetmasters.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Typical commercial animation.]]
[[File:Rebirth1 Fastlane Cloudraker Punch.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Typical AKOM crap.]]
*This episode takes place several months after "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2]]".
*Almost two dozen Transformers make their debuts in this episode. As usual, there's no fuss over where they came from; they're just there.
*Similarly, quite a few familiar faces are gone with no explanation: Springer, the Sweeps, Sky Lynx, Blaster, and Soundwave, just to name a few. In real-life terms, they were removed from the show to make room for new toys.
*Following their abrupt debut in "The Return of Optimus Prime", the Throttlebots get a ''wee'' bit more attention in this episode, though only Rollbar (making his first appearance) actually gets referred to by name. Chase is not shown speaking at any point, but the voice emanating from the Autobot City loudspeaker that warns of a Decepticon attack is probably supposed to be him, as it's delivered by Rob Paulsen, the actor cast for Chase.
*While discussing the Headmaster creation procedure with Chromedome, Brainstorm mentions that it's possible for a Transformer to "download (their memories and personalities) into the auxiliary memory circuits in their chests". Assuming that the aforementioned hardware is a standard feature in all Transformers, it might explain why [[Death|death is just a wee bit inconsistent in fiction]]. Not bad for a throwaway line!
*We're introduced to the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]], a "foundry in which the original Autobots' bodies were forged." In practice, the chamber acts less like a foundry and more like a generator gone wild.
*Daniel getting injured and requiring a robotic body (or in this case, Exo-suit) to survive is reminiscent of [[Autobot X (G1)|a somewhat similar incident involving his father]]. This works out a lot better.

===Trivia===
*"The Rebirth, Part 1", was to be the fourth season premiere, but due to declining interest, it simply was the first of the three final episodes (originally conceived as a ''five''-part story), in which a slew of new characters and concepts were introduced, most notably the US animated version of the Headmasters.
*Like "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]" before it, the "Rebirth" mini-series also got its own introductory [[title sequence]], consisting of some parts of the Season 3 titles spliced together with animation segments from the 1987 toy [[commercial]]s. Unfortunately, the contrast in art and animation quality between the Season 3 credits (animated on the usual low [[AKOM]] budget) and the much higher-quality commercial snippets is jarring, to say the least.
[[File:Rebirth1 Hardhead and Blurr.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|"Ssh, ssh, ssh. It's alright. Don't struggle. Walk into the light."]]
*Your wiki editors will leave it up to the reader to interpret the image at right.

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' '''Die Wiedergeburt, Teil 1''' ("The Rebirth, Part 1")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' '''Headmaster Tanjō''' (ヘッドマスター誕生, "The Headmasters Are Born")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[1996]] (home video); [[July 21]], [[2007]] (broadcast)
::*"The Rebirth" was not initially dubbed for Japanese release, instead being replaced by the domestic series ''[[Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)|Transformers: The Headmasters]]''. The episodes were eventually dubbed in 1996 as special features on [[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer]]'s [[Wikipedia:LaserDisc|LaserDisc]] and DVD collections. "The Rebirth" received its first Japanese television broadcast in [[2007]], airing on [[Cartoon Network|Cartoon Network Japan]].
::*To further distinguish "The Rebirth" from the continuity of the Japanese series, it was released with the American ''The Transformers'' branding and [[title sequence]]. With a few exceptions (such as "Convoy"), most of the characters are referred to by their Western names. For instance, [[Hot Rod/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] is not called "Hot Rodimus", [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] is not called "Chear" and so on.
::*With the exception of [[Tesshō Genda]] (Convoy), [[Seizō Katō]] (Galvatron), [[Kunihiko Yasui]] (Rollbar), [[Masashi Hirose]] (Searchlight) and [[Issei Masamune]] ([[narrator]]), all characters were recast with new actors.
::*Voice direction for the 1996 dubbing of "The Rebirth" was conducted by [[Shōzō Tajima]].
::*Due to having been released straight-to-video, this is one of the few episodes of ''The Transformers'' not to have been edited for time in Japan. As such, Japanese DVD and laserdisc releases include an optional English audio track for the episode.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 1987 — ''Transformers'' — Die Wiedergeburt (Erster Teil) ([[Polyband]]) — German audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1988 — ''Transformers'' — Headmasters: The Rebirth (Parts, 1, 2 & 3) ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1989 — ''Transformers'' — Headmasters / The Return of Optimus Prime (Tempo Video) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1991 — ''Transformers'' — Headmasters / The Return of Optimus Prime / Cosmic Rust (Tempo Video) 
[[File:Flag of Canada.png|20px|Canada]] 1998 — ''The Transformers: Generation 2'' — Rebirth: The Movie ([[Malofilm|Behaviour Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2001 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Heroes: The Rebirth ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;[[Wikipedia:LaserDisc|LaserDisc]]
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1996 — ''Transformers: The Headmasters'' Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — English and Japanese audio.
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' — DVD Box (Pioneer LDC) — English and Japanese audio. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2001 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Heroes: The Rebirth ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — ''Transformers'' — Complete Original Series: Deluxe Edition ([[Maverick Entertainment|Sony Wonder]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2002 — ''Transformers'' — The Rebirth: Parts 1-3 (Sony Wonder) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 2 & Season 4 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 3 and Season 4 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2005 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 6: Series 4 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — Box-Set (3DVDs) ([[Flex Media]]) — German audio only. 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2008 — ''Transformers'' — Box-Set (2DVDs) (Flex Media) — German audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season's Three & Four {{sic}} (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2010 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.com/cartoon-dossier/season-4/synopses/6701-01.html Episode Dossier at The Cybertron Chronicle]

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[[Category:The Transformers episodes]]

The Rebirth, Part 1

2016-07-07T13:16:32Z

Levyshahar: /* Continuity errors */ there are just decepticon 5 headmasters, not 6 (if we're not counting Scorponok just yet)

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|image=Rebirth 1 Autobot heads.JPG
|caption=
|series=G1toon
|ep=96
|title="The Rebirth, Part 1"
|written by=[[David Wise]]
|animation studio=[[AKOM]]
|production code=6701-01
|airdate=[[November 9]], 1987
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''Galvatron invades Autobot City and then Cybertron with a plan to destroy the Autobots forever! This is something new?'''

==Synopsis==
[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Goldbug]] is talking with the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] at [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. Things have been quiet for the [[Autobot]]s in the months since the return of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Hate Plague]] crisis. Not a word has been heard of the [[Decepticon]]s in months. Who knows where they are. The answer? Right at their doorstep. Meanwhile, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] walks into a room to find Optimus on his knees. Optimus claims that he has been having visions since he opened the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], and it's something big. Goldbug informs Optimus of the approaching Decepticon force, and Optimus realizes that what ever he's been sensing, it's starting right now.

[[File:Rebirth 1 Autobots Decepticons fight.JPG|left|upright=1.1|thumb|A truly epic battle.]]

Leading the Autobots out, the Decepticons attack. The Technobots and the [[Throttlebot]]s take point, but the Decepticons have gotten some new raw power in [[Apeface]] and [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]], while [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] has some fun with [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)|Lightspeed]]. However, [[Punch (G1)|Punch]] sees [[Wingspan]] and [[Pounce]] enter into Autobot City. [[Transformation|Transforming]] into Counterpunch, he follows to check up on their progress, where he sees them steal something from the vaults. The Clones quickly dispatch Punch, and take their prize to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. Having claimed what they wanted, [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] orders a retreat. Optimus, realizing this was a diversion, runs into Autobot City, finding Punch and the vault. Horrified, Optimus orders everyone to board the ships and head for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

On Cybertron, [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] is racing with [[Hot Rod/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]], with [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] riding in Hot Rod. Blurr, however, loses control, while Daniel shoots several Decepticon targets and wins the race. [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] claims that this is evidence of his theory that human partners would be able to assist the Autobots in the war with the Decepticons. [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] and [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] are unsure of the idea. However, Optimus contacts the Autobots, telling them Galvatron stole the [[Key to the Plasma Energy Chamber|Key]] to the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]]. This was the forge which was used to create the bodies of the original Autobots. Since the [[Quintesson]] rebellion, the key has been in the safekeeping of the Autobot leaders, who have been tasked with guarding the key with their [[Spark|lives]]. However, Galvatron intends to open the chamber and destroy Cybertron. The Decepticons arrive, and chaos ensues. The [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] are quickly taken down by [[Sixshot]], who shows off [[to sell toys|all six forms]]!

[[File:Rebirth 1 Plasma energy Scourge.JPG|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Scourge never gets a break.]]

During the onslaught, Kup and Hot Rod's team notice Scourge heading for the Plasma Energy Chamber. They pursue in an attempt to stop him. When Scourge opens the chamber, he is nearly killed, but Spike and Cerebros manages to grab the key. The Autobots' ship is hit by a wave of energy from the Plasma Energy Chamber and is hurled off Cybertron itself. Discovering Scourge, the Decepticons reactivate him. Scourge explains what happened, and a team under [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] heads out to find the Autobots with the key.

[[File:Rebirth 1 Hive machines.JPG|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Oh, this is not going to end well...]]

Meanwhile, the Autobot ship crashes on Nebulon. With the engines fried, the Autobots and the Witwickys decide to look for civilization. They're soon spotted by [[Duros]] and [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]], who assume the Autobots are machines controlled by the [[Hive (G1)|Hive]] and alert the rest of their resistance group. The group soon captures the Autobots, and plans to destroy the Autobots with magnetic bombs, even though Spike tries to talk them down. However, the Decepticons show up. Spike finally convinces the Nebulons to release the Autobots. In the subsequent battle, Daniel is injured by Snapdragon, and Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]], [[Pointblank]] and [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] are taken captive. Some of the Autobots pursue them into the forest, but are quickly driven off by machines.

Back at the cave, [[Arcana]] and [[Firebolt (G1)|Firebolt]] manage to stabilize Daniel's condition, but the boy will have to be connected to life-support machinery. The [[Nebulan]] leader [[Gort]] explains that the Hive is a tyrannical group of telekinetics who have used machines to enslave Nebulon. The resistance members know the weak points of the machines, but they just don't have the firepower. Spike thinks that Brainstorm's idea of organic partners just might be the ticket. The Autobots agree to allow the Nebulons to use their heads as suits, except for Cerebros, who walks out, tired of fighting. [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] asks to be Daniel's partner, and Spike agrees. As they remove their heads, Spike declares that they are about to become [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]].

[[The Rebirth, Part 2|To be continued...]]

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Strafe (G1)|Strafe]] (1)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Goldbug]] (2)
*[[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)|Lightspeed]] (3)
*[[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]] (4)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (5)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (6)
*[[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]] (7)
*[[Nosecone (G1)|Nosecone]] (8)
*[[Freeway (G1)|Freeway]] (9)
*[[Wideload (G1)|Wideload]] (10)
*[[Searchlight (G1)|Searchlight]] (11)
*[[Chase (G1)|Chase]] (12)
*[[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]] (13)
*[[Punch (G1)|Punch]] (27)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (33)
*[[Hot Rod/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] (34)
*[[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] (37)
*[[Pointblank]] (38)
*[[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] (39)
*[[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] (40)
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (41)
*[[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] (42)
*[[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] (43)
*[[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] (44)
*[[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] (45)
*[[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] (46)
*[[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] (52)
*[[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] (53)
*[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (54)
*[[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] (55)
*[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (56)
*[[Fastlane]] (60)
*[[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] (61)

|c2=
*[[Apeface]] (14)
*[[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] (15)
*[[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]] (16)
*[[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] (17)
*[[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]] (18)
*[[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] (19)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (20)
*[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] (21)
*[[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]] (22)
*[[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] (23)
*[[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]] (24)
*[[Wingspan]] (25)
*[[Pounce]] (26)
*[[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]] (28)
*[[Sinnertwin (G1)|Sinnertwin]] (29)
*[[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]] (30)
*[[Cutthroat (G1)|Cutthroat]] (31)
*[[Blot (G1)|Blot]] (32)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (47)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (48)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (49)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (50)
*[[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] (51)
*[[Sixshot]] (57)
*[[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] (58)
*[[Triggerhappy]] (59)

|c3=
*[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] (35)
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (36)

|c4=
*[[Gort]] (62)
*[[Duros]] (63)
*[[Stylor]] (64)
*[[Arcana]] (65)
*[[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]] (66)
*[[Firebolt (G1)|Firebolt]] (67)
*[[Recoil (G1)|Recoil]] (68)
*[[Haywire]] (69)
*[[Peacemaker]] (70)
*[[Spoilsport]] (71)
}}

==Quotes==
[[File:Rebirth punch and counterpunch.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
'''Wingspan:''' "Beat it, Counterpunch! We don't need your help!" 
'''Counterpunch:''' "Fine. ''You'' deal with my Autobot counterpart. I've heard he's nearby." 
''[ducks around the corner, transforms to Punch]'' 
'''Punch:''' "...''Real'' nearby."
:—Punch, master of subtle hints, utters a classic line.

'''Kup''': It might give us the edge if the Decepticons ''did'' return. 
'''Crosshairs''': That's not gonna happen! 
'''Optimus''': Kup! Highbrow! The Decepticons are heading your way! 
'''Kup''': How many of 'em, Prime? 
'''Optimus''': ''All'' of them! 
'''Crosshairs''': 'Course, I ''have'' been wrong on one or two occasions.
:—Crosshairs ''really'' needs to think before he speaks.

"Sixshot, show them what a one-robot army is!"
:—'''Galvatron''' prompts Sixshot to do the old sell-my-toy routine.

'''Kup''': Prepare for crash landing!. 
'''Point Blank''': How?? By thinking good thoughts?! 
'''Kup''': That would help!! 
:—Point Blank and Kup discuss Autobot emergency procedures.

'''Kup''': Ya know, this reminds me of the time my platoon was stranded on Regulon IV. There we were, only 700 of us against three whole [[Regulon metalmonger|Regulon metalmongers.]] 
'''Hot Rod''': Seven hundred of you? Against three of them?? Ah c'mon, Kup. 
'''Kup''': You've ever seen a Regulon metalmonger, lad? 
'''Hot Rod''': Uhhh...No. 
'''Kup''': Trust me. We were outnumbered. 
:—Kup's platoon isn't always outnumbered. But when it is, it's by three guys.

"My one wish... is to ''never'' fight again."
:—'''Cerebros''', so pacifistic he won't even fight to help his friends.

"I suppose it's the only meritorious way out of our meretricious situation." 
"Yeah, me too. Like he said."
:—'''Highbrow''' and '''Hardhead''' on becoming Headmasters.

==Season 5==
{{note|When this episode was rebroadcast in [[The Transformers (cartoon)#Season 5|the fifth season]] of ''The Transformers'', it contained new bookending segments with original story material.}}

[[File:TommyWhining.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right]]

[[Tommy Kennedy (G1)|Tommy]] meets with [[Powermaster]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] with "the greatest idea ever". Tommy says he wants to be turned into a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]! Optimus tries to tell him that becoming a Headmaster isn't so easy, but Tommy doesn't understand. Prime figures that if he knew the origin of the Headmasters, he might get it...

Tommy starts pouting, claiming that [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] is "one lucky kid" for getting mauled half to death and thus becoming a Headmaster. Prime informs him that being a Headmaster isn't an answer to all of life's problems. He tries to tell him about the Decepticon Headmasters and how much trouble they're going to make for the Autobot Headmasters, but Tommy just brushes his warnings off and insists on going through the Headmaster process. Prime laments, "You're not gonna let me talk you out of this, are you?" but delays Tommy's gratification. Apparently, [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]] is going into the shop for some minor retooling and he promised he'd be there. Blasting off, he promises to be back soon to transform Tommy's day into an adventure.

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==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
*AKOM continues their proud tradition of using the wrong color models. Thus, throughout the episode:
**Goldbug's mouthplate is gold instead of white.
**Optimus Prime's backpack, fog lights and forehead crest are white instead of red / red / blue, respectively.
**Scourge's head can be seen sticking out of the top of his hovercraft mode.
**The inside of Ultra Magnus' head is red instead of gray.
*The side of Goldbug's head is yellow instead of black as he wonders if the Decepticons will remain scattered.
*Scattershot's a bad counter. His "about a hundred blips" is actually 28 blips.
*Then it's 39 blips in the closeup.
*The panels on either side of Ultra Magnus's forehead crest are white instead of blue as he walks in on Optimus Prime.
*Goldbug inexplicably has a starry night behind him as he reports the attack to Optimus Prime.
*The side of Wideload's load bed is entirely blue as he passes Rollbar. Only the cover should be blue; the rest should be orange.
*As he leaves the city, Wideload's bed sides are the correct orange, but the bed overhang over his cab is blue instead of orange.
*Strafe and Scattershot don't fly out of the door in Autobot City, but rather right out of the walls above the door.
*Wideload is shown transforming when Magnus orders the Technobots to charge, a bit odd since he's a ''Throttlebot''.
*Punch's mouth briefly disappears as Pounce tackles him.
*Scourge gets a radio muffle as he reports the theft of the key to Galvatron, even though he's right there on-screen.
*One of the Decepticons retreating from the Autobot City battle has Sureshot's color scheme.
*The Decepticons are shown entering the ''[[Revenge (G1)|Revenge]]'' ''through the engine port''... which then immediately lights up to propel the ship into space, presumably melting the entire Decepticon army to slag.
*Wingspan's gun sounds like Prime's rifle.
*Punch's mouth is missing as he points to where the key was stolen.
*As Daniel blasts the Cyclonus pop-up target, both the stick holding the target and the hole that it came from are missing.
*When Hot Rod first transforms to robot mode, the sides of his head are white and his spoiler is entirely yellow (it should be orange in the middle).
*Hardhead is consistently shown with the side of his visor yellow, rather than the blue that one might expect.
*When Crosshairs walks up to Brainstorm's group, he's drawn as a giant Pinpointer.
*The back of Prime's head is white as he and Magnus stand on the bridge of their shuttle.
*The group shot as Prime warns the Autobots not to let Galvatron open the chamber contains some odd members, including the giant Pinpointer, and Optimus Prime himself in Peacemaker's color scheme, but flipped.
*The ''Revenge'' somehow lands on Cybertron's surface without crushing the antenna on its bottom-most point.
*Scourge crawls down a Transformers-sized hatch. A dozen Autobots pursue him by ''getting aboard a shuttle'' and flying after him, though it's not clear if it's supposed to be the same hatch.
*Scourge is missing the pink on his fingernails as he approaches the Plasma Energy Chamber.
*Brainstorm's arm is clipped behind a panel during a shot inside the shuttle, making him look like he's standing outside of it.
*The orange shuttle suddenly has a lot of white as it flies past camera, following the 1st commercial break.
*Cyclonus's cockpit windows aren't colored in as Galvatron orders his troops to go with Scourge.
*Kup's helmet is light gray as he flees from the shuttle.
*The first two Nebulans' dialog is flanged as if they were Transformers.
*As we cut back to the battle on Cybertron, various Constructions, along with the Terrorcons Hun-grrr and Cutthroat, are show firing on... the Terrorcons Blot and Sinnertwin. Blot and Sinnertwin are fighting alongside Hot Spot and First Aid, the latter of whom is colored entirely white, missing his blue eyeband and red details.
*Hot Rod's missing his spoiler as he gets a magnetic bomb placed alongside him.
*As Hot Rod says, "You've got the wrong guys," he has several lines across his head crest instead of just one.
*If they're ''magnetic'' bombs, why do the Nebulans place them on the rocks of the cave walls?
*After the Decepticons arrive, various shots of the Autobots show no trace of the bombs.
*A giant Blowpipe is among the advancing Decepticons.
*Daniel is gnawed and thrown around by Snapdragon, and yet, his uniform remains squeaky clean and show no signs of damage despite Daniel's injuries being described as 'severe'. That must be some tough fabric they use in the future.
*As the Autobots approach the forest, Chromedome and Hardhead both have Nebulans transforming to form their heads, even though they haven't yet undergone the Headmaster process!

===Continuity errors===
*Goldbug and the Technobots reminisce about all the "loose parts" knocked from the Decepticons after Optimus Prime was resurrected. When did that happen, exactly?
*Scattershot claims there's "about a hundred" Decepticons heading towards Autobot City, but the attacking force shown on-screen is only a fraction of that number (Galvatron, 5 future Targetmasters, 5 future Headmasters, 2 clones, 5 Terrorcons = 18 total. If we're generous and include additional Decepticons shown on Cybertron, we can add 6 Constructicons, Sixshot, and 5 Combaticons for a total of 30. Nope, still not a hundred!)
*Furthermore, for a group that's supposed to include "every Decepticon in the known universe", there are some conspicuous absences - the Sweeps, Soundwave, the Predacons and the Stunticons are nowhere to be seen. (Quite a few were phased out of the show because [[to sell toys|their toys were no longer on the shelves]].)
*Where did Galvatron get all those troops from anyway? Did he somehow build a ton of sentient new robots on his own, or were they scattered around the galaxy?
*The outside of the city is already smoking (burning?) before the Decepticons start their attack or fire a single shot.
*Soooo.... why do the Autobots rush headlong to meet their attackers instead of [[The Transformers: The Movie|transforming the city to battle station mode]]?

[[File:TheRebirth pt1 Punch FAILS.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1]]
*Pounce and Wingspan probably aren't the smartest guys around but even they can't be stupid enough to fall for Punch's "My Autobot counterpart is nearby" crap.
*Why isn't Cerebros affected by the Plasma Energy when he gets out with Spike to grab the key? It takes Scourge down almost instantly but he doesn't even flinch from it.
*Since when is Scourge big enough to carry a full-sized Transformer as a passenger?
*Lost in the vastness of space, the Autobot ship somehow manages to hit a planet? Cosmically improbable.
*For a ship supposedly moving a million miles per ''second'' (five times the speed of light), with no retro-rockets, the Autobot shuttle makes an incredibly soft landing on Nebulos, splashing down as though it were dropped from about 10 feet up. At that speed, the ship would have incinerated in orbit or, if it made it down intact, slammed into the planet with enough force to do incredible damage. (On the flip side, the million-miles-per-second thing does explain how they got to a completely different planet.)
*As is the norm for just about any children's cartoon, aliens on far-off planets speak perfect English. (And what ever happened to the [[universal greeting]]??)
*Considering they "hate all machines", the resistance sure do have a lot of machines set up in their caves.
*Crosshairs seriously just ''stands there'' and lets Mindwipe carry him off. He's shown unharmed and awake, even though he was among the first to get blasted in the Decepticon assault and was probably intended to be unconscious like the rest of the Autobots taken prisoner.
*Hasn't Arcee ever heard that you're not supposed to move the victim?! She picks up the unconscious Daniel for no other reason than to display affection.
*Gort's description of the Hive ("ten rulers", great mental powers) doesn't really accord with the Tech Spec descriptions of some of Zarak's allies. This wouldn't be a discrepancy within the cartoon, but guys like Nightstick and Fracas act less like super-mental-power rulers and more like the bullies and brutes described in their bios.
*Brainstorm is shown drawing on paper with a manual triangle. Twenty more years into the future, and the super advanced space robots ''still'' [[The Master Builders (episode)|haven't switched to a computer drafting system]].
*There's a line about where to put human-sized controllers into Autobots in robot mode, even though [[Only Human|it was done before]] without any modification.
*Arcana mentions that releasing the Autobots to fight the Decepticons would leave them with twenty machines to deal with instead of just ten. However, there are more than 20 as there are ''12'' Autobots and ''10'' Decepticons. Arcana is, of course, being conversational, not strictly mathematical.

===Continuity notes===
[[File:Rebirth1 CyclonusSixshot.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|"Where did you come from again?" "Whaddaya mean? I was always here."]]
[[File:Targetmasters.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Typical commercial animation.]]
[[File:Rebirth1 Fastlane Cloudraker Punch.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Typical AKOM crap.]]
*This episode takes place several months after "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2]]".
*Almost two dozen Transformers make their debuts in this episode. As usual, there's no fuss over where they came from; they're just there.
*Similarly, quite a few familiar faces are gone with no explanation: Springer, the Sweeps, Sky Lynx, Blaster, and Soundwave, just to name a few. In real-life terms, they were removed from the show to make room for new toys.
*Following their abrupt debut in "The Return of Optimus Prime", the Throttlebots get a ''wee'' bit more attention in this episode, though only Rollbar (making his first appearance) actually gets referred to by name. Chase is not shown speaking at any point, but the voice emanating from the Autobot City loudspeaker that warns of a Decepticon attack is probably supposed to be him, as it's delivered by Rob Paulsen, the actor cast for Chase.
*While discussing the Headmaster creation procedure with Chromedome, Brainstorm mentions that it's possible for a Transformer to "download (their memories and personalities) into the auxiliary memory circuits in their chests". Assuming that the aforementioned hardware is a standard feature in all Transformers, it might explain why [[Death|death is just a wee bit inconsistent in fiction]]. Not bad for a throwaway line!
*We're introduced to the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]], a "foundry in which the original Autobots' bodies were forged." In practice, the chamber acts less like a foundry and more like a generator gone wild.
*Daniel getting injured and requiring a robotic body (or in this case, Exo-suit) to survive is reminiscent of [[Autobot X (G1)|a somewhat similar incident involving his father]]. This works out a lot better.

===Trivia===
*"The Rebirth, Part 1", was to be the fourth season premiere, but due to declining interest, it simply was the first of the three final episodes (originally conceived as a ''five''-part story), in which a slew of new characters and concepts were introduced, most notably the US animated version of the Headmasters.
*Like "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]" before it, the "Rebirth" mini-series also got its own introductory [[title sequence]], consisting of some parts of the Season 3 titles spliced together with animation segments from the 1987 toy [[commercial]]s. Unfortunately, the contrast in art and animation quality between the Season 3 credits (animated on the usual low [[AKOM]] budget) and the much higher-quality commercial snippets is jarring, to say the least.
[[File:Rebirth1 Hardhead and Blurr.jpg|right|upright=1.1|thumb|"Ssh, ssh, ssh. It's alright. Don't struggle. Walk into the light."]]
*Your wiki editors will leave it up to the reader to interpret the image at right.

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' '''Die Wiedergeburt, Teil 1''' ("The Rebirth, Part 1")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' '''Headmaster Tanjō''' (ヘッドマスター誕生, "The Headmasters Are Born")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[1996]] (home video); [[July 21]], [[2007]] (broadcast)
::*"The Rebirth" was not initially dubbed for Japanese release, instead being replaced by the domestic series ''[[Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)|Transformers: The Headmasters]]''. The episodes were eventually dubbed in 1996 as special features on [[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer]]'s [[Wikipedia:LaserDisc|LaserDisc]] and DVD collections. "The Rebirth" received its first Japanese television broadcast in [[2007]], airing on [[Cartoon Network|Cartoon Network Japan]].
::*To further distinguish "The Rebirth" from the continuity of the Japanese series, it was released with the American ''The Transformers'' branding and [[title sequence]]. With a few exceptions (such as "Convoy"), most of the characters are referred to by their Western names. For instance, [[Hot Rod/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] is not called "Hot Rodimus", [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] is not called "Chear" and so on.
::*With the exception of [[Tesshō Genda]] (Convoy), [[Seizō Katō]] (Galvatron), [[Kunihiko Yasui]] (Rollbar), [[Masashi Hirose]] (Searchlight) and [[Issei Masamune]] ([[narrator]]), all characters were recast with new actors.
::*Voice direction for the 1996 dubbing of "The Rebirth" was conducted by [[Shōzō Tajima]].
::*Due to having been released straight-to-video, this is one of the few episodes of ''The Transformers'' not to have been edited for time in Japan. As such, Japanese DVD and laserdisc releases include an optional English audio track for the episode.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 1987 — ''Transformers'' — Die Wiedergeburt (Erster Teil) ([[Polyband]]) — German audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1988 — ''Transformers'' — Headmasters: The Rebirth (Parts, 1, 2 & 3) ([[Tempo Video]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1989 — ''Transformers'' — Headmasters / The Return of Optimus Prime (Tempo Video) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 1991 — ''Transformers'' — Headmasters / The Return of Optimus Prime / Cosmic Rust (Tempo Video) 
[[File:Flag of Canada.png|20px|Canada]] 1998 — ''The Transformers: Generation 2'' — Rebirth: The Movie ([[Malofilm|Behaviour Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2001 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Heroes: The Rebirth ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]])
;[[Wikipedia:LaserDisc|LaserDisc]]
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1996 — ''Transformers: The Headmasters'' Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — English and Japanese audio.
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' — DVD Box (Pioneer LDC) — English and Japanese audio. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2001 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Heroes: The Rebirth ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — ''Transformers'' — Complete Original Series: Deluxe Edition ([[Maverick Entertainment|Sony Wonder]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2002 — ''Transformers'' — The Rebirth: Parts 1-3 (Sony Wonder) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 2 & Season 4 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 3 and Season 4 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2005 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 6: Series 4 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — Box-Set (3DVDs) ([[Flex Media]]) — German audio only. 
[[File:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2008 — ''Transformers'' — Box-Set (2DVDs) (Flex Media) — German audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season's Three & Four {{sic}} (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2010 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.com/cartoon-dossier/season-4/synopses/6701-01.html Episode Dossier at The Cybertron Chronicle]

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'''Patrick C.K. "Pat" Lee''' (ミチヤメノテヒフナナ ''Michiyamenotehi Funana'') is a Canadian artist. He was the president of [[Dreamwave Productions]] and (allegedly) drew some of their ''Transformers'' comics, until most of his employees noticed he wasn't paying them. Subsequently, he was also the president of Dream Engine until all its employees noticed he wasn't paying them either. After that, he founded his own company, Pat Lee Productions, and briefly served as the "director" of a Hong Kong-based company named DeepSky Pictures (which appears to no longer exist). His return to comics was announced in 2010.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25747 Pat Lee Joins Dynamite for "Widow Warriors"]</ref>

:''Known titles, aliases and nicknames:'' '''Mr. Mecha''',<ref name="wizardbig80s">[http://www.tfbrasil.net/curiosidades_Wizard5.jpg "Big 80s" feature from issue 111 of ''Wizard Magazine''], October 2000</ref> '''Paticus''',<ref name="litgtfspec">[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=14153 Lying in the Gutters ''Transformers'' Special], July 2002</ref> "'''Transman'''",<ref name="transman">[http://toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=102&itemid=1490 Dreamwave press release]</ref> '''Superstar Artist''',<ref name="creators">[http://old.brokenfrontier.com/headlines/p/detail/dreamwave-adds-transformers-creators The infamous "Dreamwave adds Transformers' creators" press release]</ref> '''Mr. Talented'''<ref name="talented">[http://www.alivenotdead.com/rosannewong/A+MASTER+IN+DISGUISE-ANDREW+LIN+vs+PAT+LEE-MR.+TALENTED+(round+2-2)-profile-113669.html Rosanne Wong about Pat Lee painting a mural on her apartment wall]</ref>

{{bigquote|Over my dead body.|[[Simon Furman]] on if Pat Lee will do work for [[IDW Publishing|IDW]]|[[BotCon 2008]]}}

==History==
===Before the Transformers===
[[Image:Dreamwave.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Chillingly prophetic.]]
Pat Lee was born in Montreal on [[June 28]], [[1975]],<ref name="bio">[http://www.angelfire.com/pa/infrarred/infrarred2.html Pat Lee's own biography on his old Angelfire website]</ref> and raised in Toronto. At the age of 16 (or 17),<ref name="patwizarddraw">[http://www.alivenotdead.com/patlee/How-to-draw-Transformers-Wizard-Magazine-profile-678562.html Pat Lee using an old Wizard article about himself as a reason to ponder about he got into the comic book industry]</ref> right after graduating from high school, Lee was eager to find a job as a "proffesional"{{sic}} in the comic book industry,<ref name="patwizarddraw"/> sending over 150 pages of sample artworks to [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] and [[Wikipedia:DC Comics|DC]]. Unfortunately for Lee, both publishers realized what a shoddy artist he was. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, however, Lee eventually managed to catch the attention of infamous [[Image Comics]] co-founder [[Rob Liefeld]] at a Toronto convention in 1994, who would hire Lee (now aged 19) to work as a penciller on various titles for Liefeld's Image studio [[Wikipedia:Awesome Comics|Extreme Studios]]. After that, Pat Lee would also work for [[Jim Lee]]'s Image studio [[Wikipedia:Wildstorm Productions|Wildstorm Productions]], as well as accepting work-for-hire assignments from Marvel (who had now apparently changed their mind regarding his artwork).

In 1996, Pat and his brother [[Roger Lee|Roger]] decided to start their own studio within Image Comics, [[Dreamwave Productions]], with Pat acting as the company's president. With Dreamwave, Lee would continue accepting contractual work for other publishers (such as the four-issue limited series ''Wolverine/Punisher: Revelation'' for Marvel), but also started to publish his own <s>blatantly plagiarized</s> originally created titles such as ''[[Wikipedia:Ghost in the Shell|Darkminds]]'' and ''[[Wikipedia:Record of Lodoss War|Warlands]]''. Collaborations with various magazines and advertising campaigns helped to further advance Dreamwave's reputation. Initially, the "hook" for Dreamwave's financial success was Pat's drawing style, which many readers viewed as "manga-like" (although readers of actual manga had a different opinion on this matter).

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===Transformers by Dreamwave===
[[Image:Big80sWizard.jpg|right|150px|thumb|His art only went downhill from here.]]In 2000, Pat and Dreamwave submitted a contribution for a feature named "Big 80s" that was published in issue #111 of ''Wizard: The Comics Magazine'', depicting Pat's own take on one of his favorite properties from his childhood days, the ''Transformers''. Proving to be a huge hit among fans, [[Hasbro]] would consider the general art style a benchmark when they were offering the license for a new ''Transformers'' comic a year later.<ref name="litgtfspec"/> Unsurprisingly, it was Dreamwave themselves who finally acquired said license, commemorating this as a turning point in the history of their company by officially cutting all ties with Image and becoming an independent publisher on their own.

[[Image:Fallenpatlee.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Why do Pat Lee's Transformers look like they're about to take a poop?]]
In addition to providing the art for various adverts, [[posters]] and covers, Pat would draw the first two ''Generation 1'' limited series, [[Prime Directive|Vol. 1]] (aka "Prime Directive") and [[War and Peace|Vol. 2: War and Peace]]. Subsequently, he would concentrate on controlling Dreamwave as its president and spend more time on his biggest hobby, fast cars, assigning art jobs to other artists (many of them hired directly out of the fandom) instead. Lee's only other major contribution in terms of art would ultimately be some of the character profiles published in the eight-issue [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]] limited series.

Despite having dominated Diamond's sales charts for several subsequent months with the ''Transformers'', Dreamwave eventually ended up in dire financial circumstances. Coinciding with rumors of unpaid freelancers, Pat Lee started to accept contractual work for Marvel and DC again, such as issues of ''House of M'' or ''[[Superman]]/[[Batman]]''. Dreamwave eventually declared bankruptcy on January 4, 2005, blaming the weak United States Dollar and other scapegoats for the company's failure.<ref>[http://www.tformers.com/article.php?sid=4053 Dreamwave's final press release]</ref>

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===After Dreamwave===
With Dream Engine, Lee would work on various projects such as an ''[[X-Men]]/[[Fantastic Four]]'' crossover for Marvel, issues for the ''Batman/Superman'' series for DC and a relaunch of ''[[Wikipedia:Cyberforce|Cyberforce]]'' for [[Wikipedia:Top Cow Productions|Top Cow]], another Image studio.

Eventually, Pat Lee parted ways with Dream Engine again and started his new enterprise, Pat Lee Productions.<ref name="plp">[http://www.patleeproductions.com/ Pat Lee Productions website, no longer functioning]</ref> He was also listed as the "director" of a Hong Kong-based company named DeepSky Pictures, and alongside his brother Roger, he headed a company named Triple Eye Productions, both of which are no longer in business. Pat Lee is currently residing in Hong Kong, where he acts as one of the heads of an IP development company named Secret Lab, Ltd., which at this time holds the questionable record of being the Pat Lee-run company to remain in business for the longest period of time.<ref name="linkedin">[https://hk.linkedin.com/in/patleeart Pat Lee's Linkedin profile].</ref>

In 2011, Pat Lee was connected as a designer on ''Train Heroes'', a cartoon produced by TV Tokyo and China-based Carloon Animation.<ref>[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-01-28/tv-tokyo-pat-lee-china-carloon-make-train-hero-show TV Tokyo, Pat Lee, China's Carloon Make Train Hero Show]</ref> It later turned out that the show had similarities with the earlier anime ''[[w:Hikarian|Chō Tokkyū Hikarian]]'', both featuring trains that turned into super-deformed robots.<ref>[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-07-17/chinese-show-similarities-with-hikarian-anime-identified Chinese Show's Similarities With Hikarian Anime Identified]</ref>
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===Return to official ''Transformers'' work===
In mid-2008, three and a half years since the collapse of Dreamwave, Lee was commissioned to do a series of illustrations for Hasbro Hong Kong to use for promotional purposes as part of their appearance at Ani-Con 2008.<ref>[http://www.alivenotdead.com/patlee/Transform+and+ROLL+OUT--profile-225643.html Pat Lee showcases his illustrations for Hasbro on his blog.]</ref> Let's hope that art stays in Hong Kong.

In spite of the [[Transformers (film)|movie]] having been out for about a year, he couldn't even be bothered to look up recent art and stills and drew [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] with his unused concept art head.

==Published Transformers works with Pat Lee credit==
===Comics===
* ''[[Prime Directive|Transformers: Generation 1 (vol. 1)]]'': [[Prime Directive Preview|Preview]], [[Prime Directive issue 1|#1]], [[Prime Directive issue 2|#2]], [[Prime Directive issue 3|#3]], [[Prime Directive issue 4|#4]], [[Prime Directive issue 5|#5]], [[Prime Directive issue 6|#6]]
* ''[[War and Peace|Transformers: Generation 1 vol. 2: War and Peace]]'': [[New World Order|#1]], [[Brothers' Burden|#2]], [[Cold War (issue)|#3]], [[Passive Aggression|#4]], [[Countdown to Extinction (issue)|#5]], [[Revelation (War and Peace)|#6]]
* ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye]]'' #1, #3, #6 (assorted profiles)
* ''[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)|Transformers: Armada]]'': [[Dreamwave Armada issue 6|#6]], [[Dreamwave Armada issue 7|#7]]
* ''[[More than Meets the Eye: Transformers: Armada|Transformers Armada: More Than Meets The Eye]]'': #1, #2, #3 (assorted profiles)
* ''20th Anniversary Transformers Summer Special'': Individual story "[[Welcome to the Jungle]]"
* assorted covers for nearly all the Dreamwave Transformers series
* ''[[Transformers: Matrix Quest]]'' (Titan Books, hardcover) cover image
* ''[[Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front]]'': [[Targets of Opportunity|#1]]

{{note|With the revelation of [[Alex Milne]] ghosting for Pat Lee on Top Cow's ''Cyberforce'', artist [[Edwin Garcia]] being credited for "backgrounds" on the ''Generation 1'' titles, [[Sigmund Torre]] being rumored to have ghosted on parts of the first ''Generation 1'' volume, [[Nick Kilislian]] being credited for "breakdowns" for ''Divided Front'' #1, and several of his covers actually being done by ghost artists, it's uncertain how much of the art credited to Pat Lee has actually been his work at all.

Various artworks originally created by Lee for the covers of the first ''Generation 1'' limited series were also used by both [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] for their "[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Generation One Commemorative Series]]" and "[[The Transformers Collection]]" series of reissues. Following the demise of Dreamwave, Hasbro would also continue to use cover artwork drawn by Lee for promotional images and various pieces of merchandise, such as a ''[[Monopoly|Transformers Monopoly]]'' board game. The reason for this is simply because the art has already been paid for, and is therefore cheaper to use for Hasbro than newly solicited artwork.}}

===Packaging art===
====Alternators====
* [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]]
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Side Swipe]]

{{note|The packaging artwork for [[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]] Smokescreen was also used for the profile card of Takara's ''Binaltech'' counterpart.}}
====Commemorative Series====
* Series III [[Jazz (G1)/toys|Autobot Jazz]]
* Series IV [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]
* Series IV [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]]
* Series V [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]]
* Series V [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]]
* Series VI [[Grapple (G1)|Autobot Grapple]]
* Series VII [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]]
* Series VII [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]
* Series VIII [[Sideswipe (G1)|Side Swipe]]

{{note|The artwork for Hoist, Inferno, Grapple, Rodimus Prime and Dirge was done specifically for these reissues; the rest was recycled from covers of Dreamwave's first ''Generation 1'' limited series.}}

====Transformers Collection====
* No.0 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Convoy]] (Optimus Prime)
* No.1 Meister (Jazz)
* No.2 Prowl
* No.6 [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]]
* No.7 Lambor (Sideswipe)
* No.10 [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]]
* No.12 [[Mini Vehicle|Minibot Team]]
* No.16 [[Insecticon (G1)|Insectrons]] (Insecticons)

{{note|None of these artworks were created specifically for these reissues, but were instead recycled from old promotional posters or covers of Dreamwave's first ''Generation 1'' limited series.}}
===Other===
* Hasbro Hong Kong Ani-Con 2008 [[Movie (toyline)|Movie]] Commemorative boxset certificate

==Criticism and controversy==
===Art style===
[[Image:Patleehowtodrawoptimus.jpg|left|250px|thumb|1) Draw a circle. 2) Draw Optimus Prime. 3) Give him scraplets. 4) Give him leprosy.]]
Pat Lee's artwork has often been the target of criticism among fans. While he was initially praised by many fans for his "manga-like" drawing style (which is heavily inspired by the character designs and visual cues used by [[Studio OX]]), others criticized his tendency for exaggerated proportions, emphasis on rounded robot body parts, making the characters look "inflated" and marshmallow-like, hands reaching out to the reader [http://www.shortpacked.com/2005/comic/book-1-brings-back-the-80s/10-superstar-funana/detail/ "as if you just stole his purse"], a general lack of sequential storytelling skills and the overall look of his human characters (see "[[dull surprise]]" for more on ''that''). Even his critics often admitted that his work for covers and posters was better than his actual comic book interior artwork; however, that would change soon when even his cover artwork saw a severe decline in quality starting with the [[War and Peace|second ''Generation 1'' limited series]]. The introduction of [[Don Figueroa|other]] [[Guido Guidi|artists]] who drew Transformers characters in a similar style, while avoiding many of the problems Lee was criticized for, would further shift the public opinion against Lee's artwork.

[[Image:DWPrimewhatthe.jpg|right|200px|thumb|When you're being compared to [[Rob Liefeld]], maybe it's time to quit<ref name="leefeld">[http://www.shortpacked.com/2006/comic/book-4/04-girls-kiss-in-this-story/buttons/ Shortpacked!]</ref>]]
Lee's response to that was enforcing an internal "house style" that would force other artists to follow Pat Lee's own style more closely. [[Don Figueroa]] confirmed in an interview having received such requests from Dreamwave art director [[Rob Ruffolo]], a guideline which Figueroa declined.<ref name="dontrans">[http://transfans.co.uk/interviews_figueroa.php Interview with Don Figueroa]</ref> Fellow artist [[Guido Guidi]] confirmed having received similar requests.<ref name="guidtrans">[http://transfans.co.uk/interviews_guido.php Interview with Guido Guidi]</ref> Ruffolo himself also later confirmed the existence of an internal "house style", without specifically referring to Lee.<ref name="ruftrans">[http://transfans.co.uk/interviews_ruffolo.php Interview with Rob Ruffolo]</ref>

Even though many fans preferred other artists over Pat Lee, official Dreamwave press releases and solicitations would often refer to the company's president as a "superstar artist".<ref name="dwadds">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/comics-16/dreamwave-adds-transformers-creators-2492/ The infamous "Dreamwave Adds Transformers Creators" press release]</ref>

===Business practices===
The demise of Dreamwave didn't come overnight. The first rumors of freelancers not getting paid date back as far as October 2003.<ref name="litgffreel">[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=14548 Lying in the Gutters reporting on early rumors of Dreamwave artists not getting paid]</ref> Following the closure of Dreamwave, former freelance writers [[Adam Patyk]] and [[James McDonough]] reiterated their claims that Dreamwave (not explicitly referring to Lee himself) had stopped paying them even before declaring bankruptcy. They had then filed a lawsuit against their former employer, and when that became public, they had allegedly also heard from other Dreamwave employees and freelancers who were supposedly also complaining about not being paid anymore.<ref name="pmdnram">[http://web.archive.org/web/20090329225039/http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=39073 Newsarama Interview with writers Adam Patyk and James McDonough] (archive copy)</ref>

Aside from Patyk and McDonough, no other former Dreamwave employees or freelancers were nearly as explicit on the issue. Artist Don Figueroa only stated that Dreamwave was "getting really behind with the check" and pointed out that he "was also assured everything was cool" when he met Pat Lee in person only a month prior to the closing of Dreamwave.<ref name="dontrans"/> The latter complaint was also repeated by writer [[Simon Furman]].<ref name="furmtrans">[http://transfans.co.uk/interviews_furman3.php Interview with Simon Furman]</ref> Likewise, artist [[Guido Guidi]] merely accused Dreamwave of a lack of "[g]ood communication", and even revealed an ambivalent attitude towards Pat Lee and his brother Roger.<ref name="guidtrans"/> Artist James Raiz, meanwhile, claimed that he was "one of the very few who came out of Dreamwave with all [his] money".<ref name="raiztrans">[http://transfans.co.uk/interviews_raiz.php Interview with James Raiz]</ref>

Prior to declaring bankruptcy, Pat and his brother Roger had spent four months secretly transferring most of Dreamwave's assets to a new company named Dream Engine, whose website domain was registered to Roger's name.<ref name="litgdreame">[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=14844 Lying in the Gutters discovering the existence of Dream Engine]</ref> In addition, it would turn out that Lee had made sure to transfer ownership of his formerly company-owned Porsche to himself before giving up Dreamwave,<ref name="porsche">[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=14968 Lying in the Gutters reporting on the Pat Lee Porsche story]</ref> and had spent half a million Canadian dollars on a new luxury apartment even before the Dreamwave bankruptcy.<ref name="apartment">[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&col=1&old=1&column=litg&article=2203 Lying in the Gutters reporting on Pat Lee's new apartment]</ref> The overall amount of Dreamwave's debt was far over a million dollars.<ref name="litgmillion">[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=14886 Lying in the Gutters' list of Dreamwave's creditors]</ref>

A former Dreamwave employee later suggested that Pat and Roger had known about the looming demise of Dreamwave a full year before declaring bankruptcy, but instead of coming clean to their employees, they named their parents secured creditors and then kept the company going for another year, because Canadian law required people to be named secured creditors for at least a year before bankruptcy in order to be given priority over other creditors (this is meant to prevent someone being given secured creditor status a week before bankruptcy and then getting away with all the company's money). Teddy and Anne Lee were granted $141,000 for alleged "furniture lease", even though they were financially supported by their sons for most of their adult lives.<ref name="parents">[http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/comic-book-forum/17163-pat-lee-starts-interview-tour-forgiveness-5.html#post83125 Allegations by a former Dreamwave employee], May 2010</ref>

In addition, Guido Guidi and Don Figueroa later confirmed that they were additionally charged by FedEx for having shipped artwork to Dreamwave prior to the company's closure.<ref name="fedex">[http://web.archive.org/web/20050507073425/http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/thread73039.html Archived TFW2005 thread with Guido Guidi and Don Figueroa confirming the FedEx story]</ref>

Pat Lee himself gave several interviews following the closing of Dreamwave, presenting himself as a victim of circumstance while completely dodging the issue of unpaid creators and the existence of Dream Engine.<ref name="patwiz">[http://web.archive.org/web/20061120012852/http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/000230624.cfm Archived Wizard interview with Pat Lee]</ref><ref name="patnram">[http://web.archive.org/web/20100516222500/http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=39738 Newsarama interview with Pat Lee] (archive copy)</ref><ref name="jazma">[http://web.archive.org/web/20080120005126/http://www.jazmaonline.com/interviews/interviews2.asp?intID=318 Jazma Online interview with Pat Lee, April 2006] (archive copy)</ref>

While working with Dream Engine, Pat Lee spent a significant amount of the company's funds on the campaign of his girlfriend [[Wikipedia:Aimee Chan|Aimee Chan]], who would eventually win the title of Miss Hong Kong in 2006. This ultimately resulted in Pat being asked by Dream Engine and his brother Roger to leave the company.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=15349 Lying in the Gutters reporting on Pat Lee's involvement with Aimee Chan]</ref> In the fall of 2007, Aimee Chan changed her status on her alive not dead social networking page<ref>http://www.alivenotdead.com/aimeechan/details.html</ref> to "single". Oops!

Following that, he was listed as the "director" of a Hong Kong-based company named DeepSky Pictures. The company apparently no longer exists, and it's unclear if it ever actually produced anything. Likewise, the companies Triple Eye Productions and Secret Lab Ltd. he had reportedly founded don't exactly have a high-profile output either, and it's difficult to find out whether they are even in business anymore.

In December 2010, Pat Lee ''finally'' agreed to give an interview to Rich Johnston, one of his most outspoken critics. While Johnston asked a lot of hard-hitting questions, often referring to personal conversations he had with people like Simon Furman and Alex Milne, Lee gave very half-hearted non-answers, claimed not to remember certain details or avoided answering questions entirely. Lee did announce he had started a "Creative Refund Movement" project to pay back those out of pocket.<ref name="interviewrich">[http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/12/20/pat-lee-talks-to-bleeding-cool-via-a-dabel-brother/ Rich Johnston interviewing Pat Lee] at Bleeding Cool Comics, December 2010</ref> As of two years later, at least one artist reported not having seen any money from this.<ref>[http://callmepo.deviantart.com/journal/Hello-karma-you-out-there-345770376 Entry on Ferd Poblete's DeviantArt]</ref>

===Failure to give proper credit===
During the Dreamwave days, several artists confirmed that Pat Lee had only been drawing the robot characters, leaving the backgrounds entirely to (credited) assistants such as [[Edwin Garcia]]. However, comic book journalist Rich Johnston reported rumors that [[Sigmund Torre]] had been ghosting for Pat, who was too busy with promotion and signing tours, as early as July 2002, when [[Prime Directive|''Generation 1'' vol. 1]] was still in production.<ref name="litgtfspec"/>

Another Dreamwave artist named [[Nick Kilislian]], who is credited for doing the "breakdowns" for Dreamwave's ''[[Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front]]'' [[Targets of Opportunity|issue 1]], allegedly also ghosted for Pat on the ''X-Men/Fantastic Four'' limited series Dreamwave did for [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] at the same time.<ref name="litgghostmost">[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=14767 Lying in the Gutters reporting on the rumor of Nick Kilislian ghosting for Pat], September 2004.</ref>

In 2007, it turned out that Lee's personal involvement in his girlfriend's beauty pageant campaign had resulted in him being unable to meet deadlines for issues of Top Cow's ''Cyberforce'' series. As a consequence, Pat had asked [[Alex Milne]] to draw those issues in his stead. After a few issues, what little credit was initially given to Milne was dropped entirely, with Pat submitting the artwork under his own name instead, paying Milne merely a fragment of the money Top Cow was paying him.<ref name="litgmilne1">[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=15355 Lying in the Gutters reporting on Alex Milne ghosting for Pat Lee]</ref> In addition, Lee later asked Milne to draw artwork for DC's ''Superman/Batman'' #34 as well, again giving his underpaid ghost artist no credit.<ref name="litgmilne2">[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=15547 Lying in the Gutters reporting on Alex Milne ghosting for Pat Lee even more]</ref> Eventually, Top Cow found out, resulting in Pat Lee not paying Milne ''at all'' for over 20 pages of artwork.<ref name="deviantmilne">[http://hombreimaginario.deviantart.com/art/Interviews-06-Alex-Milne-64254823 Interview with Alex Milne on DeviantArt]</ref>

In late 2008, former Dreamwave editor [[Matt Moylan]] confirmed that the Silver Snail exclusive variant cover for Dreamwave's [[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)|''Generation One'' (ongoing)]] [[Night of the Combaticons|issue 1]] that had been credited to Pat Lee had actually been drawn by a ghost artist as well.<ref name="g1ghost">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/190059-pat-lees-mushy-art-5.html#post2407689 Matt Moylan confirming that the Silver Snail exclusive G1 vol. 3 #1 cover had been drawn by a ghost artist too.]</ref> In early 2012, Moylan became more specific, now confirming that the cover had been drawn by [[Rob Ruffolo]]. In addition, he confirmed that an [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] lithograph had been drawn by [[Rob Armstrong]] but credited to Pat Lee, the [[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|''War Within'' vol. 2]] [[Fragmentation (G1)|issue 1]] incentive cover had been drawn by Rob Ruffolo as well, and the ''Generation 1'' vol. 3 issue 1 retailer incentive cover had been started by Pat Lee but finished by Rob Ruffolo because Lee was suffering from appendicitis at the time.<ref name="artistdisguise">[http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/03/21/dreamslaves-2-artists-in-disguise/ "DREAMSLAVES #2: Artists in Disguise"] by Matt Moylan.</ref>

===Attempts at cover-up===
In March and April 2008, a newly registered Wikipedia user repeatedly tried to remove any reference to the controversies surrounding Pat Lee in his own article, instead replacing them with more PR-friendly resume details.<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hyrocomics Contributions by Wikipedia user "Hyrocomics"]</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/219.78.200.95 Contributions by IP 209.70.200.95]</ref> (The critical content in the Wikipedia article ''was'' later purged for other reasons, but not reverted to the blatant self-advertising Pat's own version was.)

==Notes==
* Before the launch of Dreamwave's ''Transformers'' comic books, Pat expressed a certain level of ignorance with regard to the brand's history. For example, he claimed that, in retrospect, the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Transformers cartoon]] was so amazing that it was only a matter of time before the [[The Transformers (toyline)|toys]] were made.<ref name="animefringe">[http://www.animefringe.com/magazine/01.03/feature/2/index.php3 Interview with animefringe.com]</ref> In the same interview, he also admitted liking [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], whom he considers a "wicked character", regretting that he "died" in the [[The Transformers: The Movie|movie]].<ref name="animefringe"/>

[[Image:FuNaNa.jpg|right|216px|thumb|Those fancy Japanese characters look AWESOME. Too bad I can't read them.]]
* Fans discovered an old personal website Pat had set up prior to the big breakthrough with Dreamwave.<ref name="infrarred">[http://www.angelfire.com/pa/infrarred/ Infrarred] {{sic}} Pat Lee's Angelfire homepage</ref> In retrospect, many of the quotes and graphics featured on the site would prove to be either hilariously ironic or frighteningly prophetic, such as a promotional image depicting Pat, his brother Roger and then-Dreamwave exec Alvin Lee walking away from a nuclear explosion (see [[:Image:Dreamwave.jpg|Image:Dreamwave.jpg]]); or a header graphic that features his name, "Patrick Lee", replaced by random Katakana characters (ミチヤメノテヒフナナ), which read "''Michiyamenotehi Funana''". Soon, this would become his new nickname among fans, used exclusively in a mocking manner. The cause for this is almost certainly a character-replacement Katakana font (WordPerfect TrueType Japanese to be exact), as used by someone who has no damn clue how Katakana works, never mind an ability to read it. If Pat Lee had any damn clue how to transliterate, the Katakana would be パトリック・リー (''Patorikku Rī'').

* After the launch of Dream Engine, Lee's resume at the company's website claimed that he was responsible for relaunching "X-Men, Batman and more", thereby implying that those franchises had long lingered in a near-dead state until Superstar Funana blessed them with his divine reanimating powers.<ref>Pat's resume at the now defunct Dreamengine website.</ref>

* Comic book gossip journalist Rich Johnston, who has done a fair share of coverage on the subject of Pat Lee, has made use of the fact that the URL Deepskypictures.com was a dead link (since the "company" Pat briefly served for as a "director" is now apparently defunct), but still linked to on several of Pat's social networking pages... by purchasing the URL and redirecting it to his coverage of Pat's past and involvement with Dynamite Entertainment at Bleeding Cool Comics for a while.<ref name="badman">[http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/06/05/punking-pat-lee/ Bleeding Cool Comics]</ref>

* One of the self-applied nicknames of Pat Lee is "the Transman", to indicate a deep love of the ''Transformers'' franchise. Apparently he was not aware that the term "transman" is actually used by transgender people who identify as male.<ref>[[Wikipedia:Transman|The Wikipedia page on "Transmen"]]</ref>

* Pat Lee once set a hill on fire.<ref name="infrarred"/>

* All of the above is ''absolutely true''. We're not kidding.

==Trivia==
*This very article was cited by Valent Wang as the reason why he ultimately ended up starting his toy company, the Mecha Workshop, together with Don Figueroa, despite having initially approached Pat Lee about a partnership instead. Looking up his name led him to TFWiki, where he not only learned more about Lee's business practices, but also found out about Don, leading to a (hopefully) more promising partnership.<ref name="arma">[http://www.poeghostal.com/2013/04/interview-valent-wang-and-don-figueroa-on-armarauders.html Interview with Valent Wang and Don Figueroa on ARMARAUDERS] at Poe Ghostal's Points of Articulation.</ref>

==Memorable quotes by and about Pat Lee==
{{bigquote|It is a mistake to suppose that men succeed through success; they much oftener succeed through failures.|Pat Lee<ref name="jazma" />}}

{{bigquote|If he ever wants out of comics, Pat Lee's got a heck of a career as an auto mechanic.|''Wizard Magazine''<ref>Verbatim quote from a <s>[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/dailyraider/patlee.jpg butt-kissing advert]</s> article published in an issue of ''Wizard Magazine''.</ref>}}

{{bigquote|I remember working with Pat Lee and how kind of disappointed I was to find how little of the art was actually him. He gave me an original art page of Armada, and there’s so little art on it!|Simon Furman<ref>Talking about memorable experiences, "[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=42871#42871 Simon Furman Q&A Volume 2 LIVE!]"</ref>}}

{{bigquote|If Pat had been some faceless bureaucrat it maybe wouldn’t now seem such an acute betrayal, but he looked me square in the eye and said everything’s hunky-dory. That’s what still, even now, burns.|Simon Furman<ref>Online interview talking about the collapse of Dreamwave</ref>}}

{{bigquote|Probably the richest guy I know.|Don Figueroa <ref>Word Association with the name "Pat Lee" from an [http://transfans.co.uk/interviews_figueroa.php interview] with TransFans.co.uk</ref>}}

{{bigquote|A guy that really knows how to pitch himself.|Guido Guidi<ref>Word Association with the name "Pat Lee" from an [http://transfans.co.uk/interviews_guido.php interview] with TransFans.co.uk</ref>}}

{{bigquote|Cars are expensive.|Guido Guidi<ref>Word Association with the name "Dreamwave" from an [http://transfans.co.uk/interviews_guido.php interview] with TransFans.co.uk</ref>}}

{{bigquote|Can we get our money?|Adam Patyk<ref>Patyk's response to the question "If you could talk to Pat directly right now, what would you ask of him?" in an [http://web.archive.org/web/20090329225039/http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=39073 interview] with Newsarama (archive copy).</ref>}}

{{bigquote|Some of the shapes and lines are a little misshapen. When you draw your lines, sketch them out in layout mode, and try to get as accurate as possible before making any final lines.|Pat Lee, not practicing what he preaches.<ref>[http://s104.photobucket.com/user/PatLeeProductions/media/page3.jpg.html Quote from Pat Lee's "How to draw Mecha" article from Wizard #118, July 2001.]</ref>}}

{{bigquote|To anyone who wants to break into comics- learn to love drawing backgrounds and study technical work, never have an ego, and treat your fans with respect!|Pat Lee, still not practicing what he preaches.<ref>[http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/796425.html#cutid1 Parting words from Pat Lee in "Extreme Scenes" from Extreme Comics.]</ref>}}

{{bigquote|Please don't believe anything that comes out of this man's mouth. I did, and look where it got me!|Simon Furman in 2010 <ref>[http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/comic-book-forum/32106-pat-lee-talks-bleeding-cool-via-dabel-brother-3.html#post144857 Furman post at Bleeding Cool, 22 December 2010]</ref>}}

==See also==
* [[Dull surprise]]

==External links==
* [http://www.angelfire.com/pa/infrarred/infrarred2.html Infrarred]
* [http://www.myspace.com/patleeart PatLeeArt] at MySpace
* [http://www.alivenotdead.com/patlee Pat Lee's alive not dead profile blog site]
* [http://patleeart.deviantart.com/ Pat Lee's deviantART page.]
* [http://www.youtube.com/user/PatLeeArt Pat Lee's Youtube account]
* [http://twitter.com/patleeart Pat Lee's Twitter feed]
* [http://patleeart.blogspot.com/ Pat Lee's Blogspot blog]
* [http://patleeart.squarespace.com/ Pat Lee's Squarespace blog]

==References==
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{{disambig3.5|the Tonka ''GoBots'' franchise|the cyborgs that are the stars of this franchise|GoBot|GoBots}}

[[Image:TonkaGoBotsLogo.jpg|250px|thumb|Note: not actually robots. Also, very occasionally [http://www.toyarchive.com/Gobots/Zod.html not actually vehicles].]]

"Autobots versus Decepticons" wasn't the only war between shape-changing robots in the 1980s, as there was an even bigger, if briefer conflict... the war on toy shelves between [[Hasbro]]'s ''[[The Transformers (franchise)|The Transformers]]'' and [[Tonka]]'s '''''GoBots'''''.

''GoBots'' was ''Transformers''' main competitor... at least in the realm of "robot-based toy lines". (Among other heavy hitters, [[Kenner]]'s ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' was cranking out ''Return of the Jedi'' toys aplenty throughout 1983 and 1984.) It is, overall, not looked upon very favorably by the [[fandom]]-at-large, with most of the criticisms leveled at the way it was marketed, with goofy character names and a less sophisticated cartoon (and it's not like [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original ''Transformers'' cartoon]] was exactly highbrow entertainment). That ''GoBots'' ran for barely three years, as opposed to the seven of ''Transformers'', only further reinforces the idea that ''Transformers'' was the powerhouse winner between the two.

The series does have its fans and collectors, however. Hasbro also now owns the GoBots {{w|Intellectual property|IP}} thanks to its acquisition of Tonka in the early 90's... but don't go expecting any kind of revival. The relationship between Hasbro and the GoBots is... ''complicated''.

{{TOCclear}}

==The original Tonka ''GoBots''==
[[Image:ShootingStarGoBotsAd.jpg|right|200px|thumb|This was printed in an issue of [[Shooting Star!|the Marvel ''Transformers'' comic]]. Proving the old adage that, if you can't beat 'em, subvert their publications to your own ends!]]
===Toyline===
GoBots made its US premiere in [[1983]], nearly a full year before the [[The Transformers (toyline)|original ''Transformers'' toyline]]'s debut. It had a similar origin, being mostly made up of pre-existing Japanese toys used under license by an American distributor, in this case the ''Machine Robo'' series by [[Bandai]] spinoff company Popy. The bulk of these figures are roughly the size (and retail price) of a ''Transformers'' [[Mini Vehicle]], though often more complex and with a much broader variety of [[alternate mode]]s. The line was also filled out with some larger original molds, including spaceship-bases, cap guns, and several designs originally intended for ''Machine Robo'' that didn't actually see release in that series (like how the ''Transformers'' "[[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]" combiners were not-yet-implemented ''[[Diaclone]]'' designs).

===Cartoon===
''Challenge of the GoBots'' was produced in the United States by Hanna-Barbera (and [[Wang Film Productions]] in Taiwan). It aired in some markets outside the US (such as Australia) with the title ''Challenge of the Machine Men''. The 65-episode series ran in syndication from 1984 through 1985, followed by the feature film, ''Battle of the Rock Lords'' in 1986, which was likely rushed to theatres to beat ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' to screens. The series focused on a much smaller cast than [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the ''Transformers'' cartoon]], mainly the [[Guardian (GoBots)|Guardian]] trio of [[Leader-1 (GoBots)|Leader-1]], [[Turbo (GoBots)|Turbo]], [[Scooter (GoBots)|Scooter]], and their human allies [[Matt Hunter|Matt]], [[Nick Burns|Nick]], and [[A.J. Foster|A.J.]], against the [[Renegade]] triumvirate [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cy-Kill]], [[Crasher (G1)|Crasher]], and [[Cop-Tur (GoBots)|Cop-Tur]], occasionally backed-up by their own human "ally" [[Zebediah Braxis|Dr. Braxis]]. While many other ''GoBots'' toys were featured throughout the series, they were typically relegated to guest spots, though the Guardian [[Small Foot]] and the Renegade [[Fitor (GoBots)|Fitor]] would show up frequently enough to almost be considered main characters.

One of the most notable aspects of the cartoon was it had multiple recurring female GoBots, in stark contrast to the really, really, really guy-heavy cast of ''Transformers''. Crasher and Small Foot saw the most screen time, but [[Path Finder|many other female GoBots]] showed up, often in recurring roles. One of the Guardians' human allies was even a woman of color. Chalk it up to Hanna-Barbera's generally more progressive attitudes for their time!

Although the Tonka-toyline-created tagline was "Mighty Robots, Mighty Vehicles", the background material for the cartoon established that the GoBots are not true robots, but rather alien ''cyborgs''; a race of extraterrestrial humanoids, who, after a great catastrophe, had to put their brains into "GoBot forms" to survive.

===''GoBots'' versus ''Transformers''===
Despite being first to the market, having many more low-price items than its competitor (theoretically making them more desirable, at least to parents' wallets), and a ''ton'' of early press coverage stating that it would likely be the victor in the battle of shape-shifting robot toys, ''GoBots'' was left in the dust by the ''vastly'' better-marketed ''Transformers''. The line struggled its way into 1986, with a spin-off toyline (complete with theater-release movie) called ''Rock Lords'' featuring transforming [[Rock Lord|rocks]]. Yes, ''rocks''. Didn't exactly set the world on fire with that one. Shortly after, the line fizzled out, while ''Transformers'' enjoyed a few more years before it too finally "died".

==''GoBots'' in the "modern era"==
===Hasbro & Takara===
Following its mid-Eighties demise, ''GoBots'' remained a dead line in every regard up until [[1991]]. Hasbro bought Tonka and its subsidiaries (including Kenner), acquiring all of Tonka's intellectual property, which included the ''GoBots'' IP... sort of. Due to a lot of factors, much of the ''GoBots'' property was and still is outside of Hasbro's control.

The toy designs are unquestionably 100% owned by Bandai, direct rivals to Hasbro's partner [[TakaraTomy]]. In 2015, Bandai announced a series of high-end, super-posable toys based on several of the original ''Machine Robo'' toys that got turned into GoBots, but sold under the original banner. The cartoon seems to have a complicated ownership situation. The entire series was released on DVD by Warner Bros. (who now own Hanna-Barbera) as an online-order-only, "manufactured on demand" series, and is still available today. The episodes themselves bear a copyright to Tonka (though given the nature of distribution contracts, this might be nominal), while the DVD disks and packaging note Hasbro's ownership of GoBots and [[:File:Gobots_copyright_notice_modern.jpg|"all related characters and elements"]], while asserting a joint Hasbro / Hanna-Barbara ownership of the "program compilation". Some [http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/124973-why-cant-hastak-use-the-gobots/?p=3159052 original research] from [[Jim Sorenson]] suggests that the character designs are owned by Hasbro as well, though he speculates that Hasbro would be unlikely to want to use character designs depicting toys owned by a competitor.

In fact, both Hasbro and Takara have done very little with the ''GoBots'' IP overall, seemingly content to bury it outside of periodically using the line's name as a [[trademark]] for non-Tonka-''GoBots'' products, primarily for [[Transformers: Go-Bots (franchise)|pre-school]]-[[Robo Power|aimed toys]]. Hasbro staked that claim early on with the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' Autobot toy "[[Gobots]]" in [[1993]], and [[GoBots (disambiguation)|various uses of the name (in various parsings)]] over the next decade. The name "Leader-1" was trademarked in [[2003]] for [[Megatron (Armada)|''Armada'' Megatron]]'s [[Mini-Con]] [[Leader-1 (Armada)|partner]], but there's been little to no use of ''GoBots''-original names since. (At one point in development, ''Armada'' [[Unicron/toys#Armada|Unicron]]'s Mini-Con [[Dead End (Armada)|Dead End]] was going to be called "Gobotron", but that idea was ultimately discarded.) Remember also that trademarks can expire if not used regularly, leaving them open for other entities to snap them up, so this lack of use leaves much of the ''GoBots'' cast names in a sort of rights limbo. Hasbro once again renewed the trademark application in [[2015]], this time for “distribution of motion pictures, ongoing television programs”<ref>http://www.slashfilm.com/gobots-movie-hasbro/</ref>.

[[File:G1_GoBots_adv.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Hope you're ready to drop some serious funds for these.]]

In [[2004]], Takara took the first tentative poke at using the ''GoBots'' fictional property under the ''Transformers'' banner with the "[[G1 GoBots]]" set, an [[e-HOBBY]]-[[exclusive]] [[redeco]] of six recently-reissued [[Mini Vehicle]]s. Early online images of the set labeled each of the six toys with the name of a GoBot who had that [[alternate mode]]: [[Bad Boy]], [[Bug Bite (GoBots)|Bug Bite]], [[Path Finder]], [[Road Ranger]], [[Small Foot]], and [[Treds]]. However, Takara eventually dropped the names from the final packaging and promotional materials, leaving only the more defensible "G1 GoBots" group name, with the packed-in [[bio]] for the whole group introducing them as visitors from another universe (conveniently not identified), with technology ''astoundingly similar'' to the technology seen in the ''GoBots'' cartoon. The toys themselves are not even colored like the GoBots they were briefly named after, using "prototype" color schemes for the original toys, or all-new decos seemingly created without direct inspiration.

A long dry spell followed, until [[2007]] when Hasbro released [[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]], a Crasher-inspired redeco of [[Mirage (G1)#Classics|''Classics'' Mirage]], as part of a [[Walmart]]-exclusive series of toys for the [[movie (toyline)|live-action movie toyline]]. The toy (as well as the others in that wave) was originally intended as part of the Generation 1-based [[Transformers: Classics|''Classics'' line]], and in fact "Fracture" was originally intended to ''be'' Crasher-the-GoBot, having crossed dimensions. Her cardback bio makes reference to GoBot Crasher's personality and powers... but also does ''not'' actually call her out as a GoBot in any way, not even a sideways "came from another universe" hint. At face value, she's a native Cybertronian. Deco artist [[Joe Kyde]] later noted that they had to prove to Hasbro higher-ups that the chosen color scheme actually existed on a real life racing car in order to color her that way, suggesting the desire for a bit of plausible deniability. After that, ''GoBots'' was relegated mostly to much smaller deco references. Movie-series toys [[Backtrack (Movie)|Backtrack]] (also deco'd by Kyde) and [[Deadlift]] have deliberate deco homages to the GoBots Night Ranger and Spoons (respectively), complete with [[tampograph]]s of the "MR-**" designation numbers from the original ''GoBots'' toys, but they too are fictionally Transformers-universe natives. There's been precious little else out of Hasbro or Takara toy-wise since Deadlift, and he came out in [[2010]].

All in all, Hasbro and Takara seem uninterested in having any actual toy product directly, unambiguously branded as a Tonka ''GoBots'' character.

===Hasbro licensees===
In fiction, GoBots made some "appearances" in ''Transformers'' comics... mainly by [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)#Notes|various Cybertron-native Cy-Kills getting killed]], a gag that was ''not at all'' hack and tiresome each and every time it happened over and over again, wow so clever<ref>The negative fan reaction to the violent deaths of the [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTech]] iterations of [[Cy-Kill (TransTech)|Cy-Kill]] and [[Scooter (TransTech)|Scooter]] resulted in [[Pete Sinclair]] stating that this would be the [[Transcendent: Part 5#References|last GoBot death scene in Fan Club works]], and they've since stuck to that.</ref>. "GoBots" was also a frequent "cute" term of derision for human characters to use in reference to the Transformers in various comics. It's extremely likely that these references would have remained even ''if'' Hasbro didn't have some fingers in the ''GoBots'' IP.

While ''GoBots''-as-''GoBots'' has been virtually nonexistent in the mass-market ''Transformers'' outlets, Hasbro licensee [[Fun Publications]] has not been shy about making more overt ties to the former competitor.

[[Image:Witheredhopeinterrogated.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Bandai is ''very'' unhappy.]]

[[BotCon 2007]] followed up on the earlier e-HOBBY use of the GoBots and continued the story begun there, specifically naming the box set's white [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classics|Bumblebee]] [[redeco]] "[[Bug Bite (GoBots)#Toys|Bugbite]]"{{sic}}, thus firming up the connection that was always implied... though his bio card only hints at him being more than just another Decepticon, and the accompanying comic stopped just short of outright stating that Bug Bite was a displaced GoBot. He explained that he came from another universe, seeking to destroy the cause of the [[Cataclysm (GoBots)|Cataclysm]] threatening his reality, which lines up with the G1 Gobots bio information from the e-HOBBY set, but again, did not outright name his home... juuuust inching towards the line but not actually crossing it. The storyline was followed up in the [[2008]] [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] online-exclusive text story "[[Withered Hope]]", which ''unambiguously'' cemented the G1 GoBots as being GoBots from the ''GoBots'' universe as depicted in the ''Challenge of the GoBots'' cartoon.

GoBots-as-GoBots once again lay fallow for a while after "Withered Hope". Occasionally side-references would be made in-fiction, mostly in the form of ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|Shattered Glass]]'' and ''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]'' iterations of GoBots as native Cybertronians. In 2010, the Collectors' Club membership "freebie" toy [[Dion#Timelines|Dion]] came with [[Cop-Tur (G1)|Cop-Tur]], a blue redeco of the toy's mold-mate [[Mini-Con]] [[Jolt (Armada)#Universe (2008)|Jolt]]. Though his characterization was inspired by the ''GoBots'' Cop-Tur (the blue deco was actually a result of the [[gang-molding]] with the Dion toy rather than a deliberate choice), they were quick to declare that he was a native Cybertronian, ''not'' a displaced GoBot. In [[2013]] a "Withered Hope" follow-up story called ''[[Spatiotemporal Challengers]]'' was announced, [[Sunrise|part one]] of which eventually saw release on [[January 7]], [[2016]].

The 2010 [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] book ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]'', a retrospective covering the third season of ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'', would take things further. In the profile for [[Stretch]], a character created for the book based on [[Porter C. Powell]]'s ''GoBots''-homage limousine from the show, it was heavily implied that he wound up in the actual ''Challenge of the Gobots'' cartoon universe after the events of the book. Additionally, a news story in the multiversal paper ''[[ALTernity Today]]'' gave ''Challenge of the Gobots'' a [[universal stream]] designation, thus implicitly pulling it into the multiverse. Finally, the book used its ubiquitous [[Cybertronix]] text to, among many pop-culture references, introduce new installments of "[[Ask Vector Prime]]", a feature from the Hasbro web site during the [[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|''Cybertron'' series]]. These question-and-answer segments were not limited to events and characters from [[Malgus 1207.26 Alpha|the ''Animated'' cartoon universe]], and one declared that Gobotron was another manifestation of the Transformers' transdimensional creator-god [[Primus]].

[[Image:The Evil One.jpg|right|130px|thumb|And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, ''Come and see!'']]

In [[2015]], as a part of the run-up to [[BotCon]], Fun Publications unveiled a number of new Facebook-published features, broadcasting on the [[Axiom Nexus News]] network. One of them was yet another revival of "Ask Vector Prime". With a prodigious output of answers to user questions, sometimes more than ten a day, the feature managed to cover the depth and breadth of the ''Transformers'' franchise... and the Tonka ''GoBots''. The words "GoBot" or "[[Gargent]]" (the [[universal stream]] designation of the ''GoBots'' franchise) show up almost 50 times in the column. New ''GoBots'' universes were introduced, and many characters and concepts were explicitly referenced by name. The first major example of this was when <strike>[[Jim Sorenson]]</strike> Vector took the step of publicly canonizing a ''GoBots'' character as a ''Transformers'' character: the Evil One, an ancient and villianous GoBot, was said to be the Gargent incarnation of [[the Fallen]]. A picture was even put up of the Evil One's animation model. <ref>"Q: Dear Vector Prime,

Who is the Evil One from Gargent?

A: Dear Evil Enthusiast,

Megatronus, in his shame, goes by many names. You may know him best as The Fallen. The Gargent Cluster birthed a version in which he became known as The Evil One. Sadly true-to-form, his Dark Heart nearly destroyed Cybertron--er, Gobotron, only to wind up under the Nazca Lines on Earth.

Interesting that in both the Gargent and the Tyran clusters, my tragic brother was drawn to your Pyramids. I note that Devil Z had similar affinities, both for the Pyramids and for the Nazca Lines. Hmmmm... "</ref> Stretch was explicitly confirmed to be ''the'' GoBot Stretch (and the reason many GoBots look like Earth vehicles). The amount of GoBots questions shot up once the Evil One question was asked. Vector Prime later described a dimension-hopping encounter where Optimus Prime and a small team of [[Autobot]] [[Spy Changer]]s teamed up with the Guardians to battle the Renegades, [[:File:BrainProblemSituationAVP.jpg|"Brain Problem Situation"]], marking the second official ''GoBots''/''Transformers'' crossover. A third crossover, "[[Echoes and Fragments]]", would be published in the waning days of the column. Many pieces of production artwork from Hanna Barbara were published, though per the note about free-advertising above none depicted a Bandai toy. Pieces included [[:File:Ask Vector Prime Zod.jpg|Tonka toys]], [[:File:RogueStarAVP.jpg|ships]], and [[:File:Gobots human scale.jpg|non-toy characters]].

But all of this was insignificant next to a doubling-down on this strategy...

===Renegade Rhetoric===
[[Image:Ask Cy-Kill.jpg|left|160px|thumb|And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.]]

During a storyline wherein [[Vector Prime]] was called away [[Out of the One, Many|on urgent business]], he was replaced by a series of rotating guest hosts, one of which was Cy-Kill—not a covert nod or a ''Transformers'' Cy-Kill or even a Cy-Kill under a deniable new body, the ''actual'' Hanna-Barbara Cy-Kill with a modified screen capture from ''Challenge of the GoBots'' as his profile picture. Notably, this picture was swiftly replaced by a [[Repurposing|repurposed]] illustration of ''TransTech'' Cy-Kill (whose appearance is similar) originally commissioned by Fun Publications. This suggests that, while Fun Publications is able to reference names and events from the cartoon, and even non-toy-based [[character model]]s, they draw the line at actual screen captures of characters based on Bandai-owned toy designs.

Over the course of his nine-day run, he proceeded to mention virtually every significant ''GoBots'' character and toy (and some that weren't), often sharing biographical and descriptive details. He also went into detail about their adventures, including both detailed descriptions of ''Challenge of the GoBots'' episodes and fanciful tales invented wholecloth. This was partly down to leading questions from some fans, who would ask for any information on a specific GoBot and then added that to this very wiki.

[[File:RenegadeRhetoricLogo.jpg|350px|right]]
When Cy-Kill [https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1519389471708528&id=1419639905016819 proved to be the most popular of the guest hosts], the column was expanded to its own feature, which concluded on [[February 5]] 2016. The focus of the ongoing column shifted to become about a fictional "second season" of the ''Challenge of the GoBots'' cartoon, made up primarily of original stories that lovingly spoofed the identikit children's cartoon plots of the 1980s and 90s. Concurrently with these posts, Ask Vector Prime [[Ask_Vector_Prime/Facebook_src#December_21|posted an episode list]] of this virtual season 2, and explained that these episodes were "produced" in the universal stream of [[Quadwal 1215.15 Epsilon]], an alternate universe where ''GoBots'' had triumphed over ''Transformers'' in the 1980s toy wars, and had many sequels and spin-offs. Each episode had a [[:File:Combiner Wars, Part 2RR.jpg|title-card]] produced, mirroring those used in ''Challenge of the GoBots''. Many episodes featured original character designs for [[:File:Renegade Rhetoric - Ned Dilettante.jpg|new guest stars]] or [[:File:HarlemGlobetrottersTurboRR.jpg|existing cast members]] in [[:File:Go-GirlRR.jpg|new outfits]]. Again, whenever a Bandai toy was depicted, it was [[:File:Cop-TurPirateRR.jpg|heavily obscured]] or [[:File:HumanGobotsRR.jpg|completely redesigned]]. ''Challenge of the GoBots'' [[:File:GoBots UNECOM.jpg|screen shots]] were [[:File:Renegade Rhetoric - Thruster vs Command Center.jpg|occasionally used]] as [[:File:Renegade Rhetoric - Stonehead.jpg|background elements]], though never depicting any Bandai-owned characters.

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===On this wiki===
On TFWiki, we have historically chronicled the appearances of all GoBots characters who have shown up in crossover fiction with the Transformers by giving them their own articles, as is our standard procedure for all crossover characters from other media. Over the years, however, several arguments have occurred amongst our userbase over whether we should simply expand the wiki's scope to incorporate full coverage of the ''GoBots'' brand including the original Bandai toys and the ''Challenge of the GoBots'' cartoon, on the basis that Hasbro now owns the ''GoBots'' intellectual property, and all current use of the characters and concepts takes place under the ''Transformers'' umbrella. Ultimately, it was decided that, retcons or not, the original ''GoBots'' franchise does not warrant coverage on TFWiki outside of the characters' limited interactions with the Transformers.

Things got... ''thornier'' thanks to the "Renegade Rhetoric" column, which was, broadly speaking, a continuation of the ''GoBots'' cartoon, treated the cartoon as canon, made sure to namecheck every single cast member from the show, and even created stories about other ''GoBots'' toys who had never been in the cartoon. This reminder of old arguments, coupled with repeated bad faith efforts by readers and participants in the column's Q&A section to "game the system" and force wider GoBots coverage onto TFWiki by coaxing "Cy-Kill" into talking more about the minutiae of the series, posting production artwork from it, etc, has led TFWiki's chief admins and sysops to regard all Facebook coverage of the GoBots' adventures, including the Transformers crossover elements, as simply too inflammatory to cover. We do not ignore it ''completely'', however, and maintain a [[Renegade|List of Renegades]] and [[Guardian_(GoBots)|List of Guardians]] to briefly cover all GoBots characters who appear in it (which is to say, uh, all of them), as well as an archive of all "Renegade Rhetoric" posts (and associated stories) for you to peruse at your leisure.

==Easter eggs==
{{bigquote|This is a universe of nigh-infinite possibilities, so perhaps...|[[Unicron]] reflects on the possibility of GoBots in Transformers|[[The End|''Transformers: Armada'' #18]] (letters page)}}

Given the similarity between the properties, as well as the transition from a ''Transformers'' competitor to dead product line partially owned by Hasbro, it is perhaps inevitable that there would be a large number of GoBots [[Easter egg]]s:
* Several GoBots appear in the background in a number of [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] ''Transformers'' comics as visual jokes.
* In the ''[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War]]'' [[The Art of War issue 5|#5]], [[Cobra Commander]] refers to the Autobots as "glorified GoBots".
** Similarly, the later [[IDW Publishing]] series ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' has the human characters repeatedly refer to the Transformers as "GoBots".
* In [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]'', [[Cy-Kill (G1)|Cy-Kill]] is Megatron's first opponent in the [[Forge]]. He gets a cover appearance and dialogue before being defeated and killed. Further, a robot that is clearly his fellow Renegade [[Crasher (G1)|Crasher]] is part of [[Clench (G1)|Clench]]'s inner circle/gladiatorial team, and later fights alongside Megatron.
* In IDW's [[The Ascending issue 2|''Beast Wars: The Ascending'' #2]], the GoBot monster [[Pincher (GoBots)|Pincher]] is shown as a murdered [[Angolmois]] junkie.
* In the ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|Shattered Glass]]'' alternate universe, Renegade GoBot [[Fitor (SG)|Fitor]] and Guardian GoBot Leader-1 (the latter in Cy-Kill's color scheme) are among the evil Autobot forces. What looks like Cy-Kill's claw is seen amongst the cheering throngs joining the evil Autobots too. Heroic Decepticon [[Crasher (SG)|Crasher]] is described as [[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]'s cousin in Blurr's tech spec, and even appears (with earthquake-like powers) in "[[Dungeons & Dinobots]]".
* In "[[Transcendent: Part 5]]", the two [[Axiom Nexus]] guards who die at Alpha Trion's hands are designed after Cy-Kill and Scooter. (The fan reaction to [[Cy-Kill (TransTech)|Cy-Kill]] and [[Scooter (TransTech)|Scooter]]'s deaths resulted in [[Pete Sinclair]] stating that this would be the [[Transcendent: Part 5#References|last GoBot death scene in Fan Club works]].)
** A cropped image of ''TransTech'' Cy-Kill from this story would later be repurposed as a version of the original ''GoBots'' Cy-Kill.
* The canceled [[Movie (franchise)|2007 movie]] toyline [[Target]]-exclusive figure [[Backtrack (Movie)|Backtrack]] was designed as an homage to the Guardian Night Ranger, and even sported Night Ranger's "MR 37" designation number on his license plate.
* ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Deadlift]] is an homage to Spoons, bearing Spoons's "MR-34" designation number.
* The ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' story "[[Head Games]]" makes off-hand reference to the [[Monster GoBot]]s [[Creepy]] and [[Vamp]].
** [[Ask Vector Prime]] would later confirm that these were indeed dimensionally-displaced GoBots masquerading as [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]].

==Notes==
*It is worth pointing out that several of the authors involved in ''GoBots'' fiction are wiki editors with passionate feelings about the topic.
**''AllSpark Almanac'' co-author and primary "Ask Vector Prime"/"Renegade Rhetoric" author [[Jim Sorenson]] [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|argued at length]] back in 2009 that this wiki should cover the entirety of the Tonka ''GoBots'' property. He also, however, advocates support for the wiki's decision-making process, including in more recent times [http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/116666-vector-prime-cy-kill-spacewarp-on-facebook/?p=3169300 minimal to no] ''GoBots'' coverage on the wiki.
** [[Greg Sepelak|Greg "M Sipher" Sepalak]], co-author of "Withered Hope", has likewise [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive61#GoBots 2015|passionately argued]] against its inclusion, as well as drafted large swaths of this very article. Clearly this is a topic that can engender strong feelings.

==References==
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==External links==
*GoBots DVDs on Amazon.com:
** [http://www.amazon.com/Challenge-The-Gobots-Miniseries-Remastered/dp/B00535QKPG/ref=pd_bxgy_74_img_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=0M2DY4GR6WB9E10EC0DT ''GoBots'' Mini Series]
**[http://www.amazon.com/Challenge-Gobots-The-Series-Volume/dp/B00K5SY9GI/ref=pd_bxgy_74_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0EFBKVBX2BKNVQ9MM039 Season 1 part 1]
**[http://www.amazon.com/Challenge-Gobots-The-Series-Volume/dp/B00TZF2N9C/ref=pd_bxgy_74_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0M2DY4GR6WB9E10EC0DT Season 1 part 2]
*[http://counter-x.net/gobots/index.html Counter-X GoBots coverage]
*[http://www.tfu.info/Gobots/index.htm TFU.info GoBots coverage]

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